[12:00] <|QuaD|> hah
[12:00] <Quest-Master> Yes
[12:00] <Matt|> SuSE_UsER, yeah very easy
[12:00] <Quest-Master> It's much better than Suse
[12:00] <Quest-Master> I used Suse before Ubuntu
[12:00] <|QuaD|> SuSE_UsER: i removed suse 3 days after putting it on
[12:00] <Matt|> *laughs* now now
[12:00] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suse
[12:00] <|QuaD|> then put suse on
[12:00] <SuSE_UsER> i want to have more than 1 distro on my pc :)
[12:00] <|QuaD|> how many distros you have?
[12:00] <Matt|> why?
[12:00] <gilligan_> Matt|: i think i found what might be the prob..
[12:01] <Matt|> gilligan_, cool, what?
[12:01] <Quest-Master> Whahay
[12:01] <Matt|> SuSE_UsER, why more than one?
[12:01] <gilligan_> Matt|: libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common libwvstreams3-base ... not updated..
[12:01] <Quest-Master> Time to go to Ubuntu forums
[12:01] <SuSE_UsER> Matt|: because i want to test another one distro after mandrake ,suse and knoppix
[12:01] <Matt|> SuSE_UsER, pick one and stick with it is my advice
[12:02] <|QuaD|> SuSE_UsER: imho, pick debian, knoppix or ubuntu
[12:02] <|QuaD|> each has their plus's and minus's
[12:02] <Matt|> meh it doesn't really matter they're all the same
[12:02] <Matt|> they all work
[12:02] <|QuaD|> Matt|: yeah
[12:03] <sjoerd> you can't really compair knoppix and debian or ubuntu..
[12:03] <|QuaD|> sjoerd: why?
[12:03] <SuSE_UsER> well i just want to check more then 3 :0
[12:03] <Matt|> if you stick with one, you stand a chance of actually learning how it works
[12:03] <gumpish> E: Couldn't find package mplayer
[12:03] <Matt|> gumpish, wiki, restrictedformats
[12:03] <|QuaD|> SuSE_UsER: i reccomend trying slackware and gentoo if you are looking to learn about the many different ones
[12:03] <sjoerd> |QuaD|: because knoppix is life cd, while the other two are normal distributions
[12:03] <mhess> you know what they say:
[12:04] <|QuaD|> sjoerd: you can install sjoerd
[12:04] <SuSE_UsER> i thought about fedora
[12:04] <mhess> learn red hat and you'll know how to use red hat
[12:04] <mhess> learn Slackware and you'll know how to use linux
[12:04] <sjoerd> |QuaD|: i hope you can't install me :).. Yeah you can install knoppix, but then your using knoppix as your debian installer basically
[12:04] <thoreauputic> SuSE_UsER: I hope the fedora thought passed quickly to /dev/null ;)
[12:04] <Matt|> the variety between distros is really quite minimal once you actuall start understanding how things work.
[12:05] <sjoerd> SuSE_UsER: if you want to try, use them at least for a few monts..
[12:05] <mhess> that's mostly true
[12:05] <|QuaD|> Matt|: yeah
[12:05] <sjoerd> SuSE_UsER: otherwise your just trying the install :)
[12:05] <SuSE_UsER> :)
[12:06] <mhess> SuSE_UsER, LFS
[12:06] <SuSE_UsER> mhess: lfs?
[12:06] <mhess> "Linux From Scratch"
[12:07] <mhess> probably the easiest distro out there
[12:07] <mhess> best installer ever
[12:07] <SuSE_UsER> mhess: im not looking for very easy distro
[12:07] <SuSE_UsER> suse is easy enough
[12:07] <SuSE_UsER> i want to try something different ;)
[12:08] <mhess> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[12:08] <Matt|> SuSE_UsER, try drugs
[12:08] <gilligan_> Matt|: hrm.no..wrong assumption.. gnome still wont start..
[12:08] <mhess> gilligan_, does X start?
[12:08] <Matt|> gilligan_, ok paste me the output of "mount" in a /query
[12:08] <SuSE_UsER> Matt|: :D
[12:08] <gilligan_> mhess: yep.. i can also run wmaker..
[12:09] <mhess> how far does gnome get?
[12:09] <gilligan_> mhess: seen the output i pasted from .xsession-errors above?
[12:09] <mhess> no, Matt| can take care of you i guess ...
[12:09] <gilligan_> mhess: not even to the splash-screen - i think gnome is not even the problem..the problem is somewhere before
[12:09] <Matt|> *grins* i'm not sure I can help
[12:09] <Matt|> but we'll see
[12:10] <gilligan_> Matt|: i dont get how mount should relate to this issue? ;)
[12:10] <gumpish> E: Couldn't find package mplayer-586
[12:10] <Matt|> gilligan_, just on the off chance
[12:10] <gumpish> whoops
[12:10] <Matt|> gumpish, you added the correct repository? You have to read all the way down the wiki
[12:10] <gumpish> nm - skipped to the relevant portion
[12:11] <gilligan_> Matt|: all partitions are mounted just fine hehe.. otherwise the problems would be of very different nature i assume..
[12:11] <Matt|> gilligan_, just humour me
[12:11] <gilligan_> Matt|: ? i dont
[12:11] <Matt|> ok
[12:18] <confrey> anybody using ardour?
[12:18] <mhess> is there a nice apt-y way of installing gDesklets?
[12:18] <|QuaD|> apt-get install gDesklets-data
[12:18] <mhess> what repos?
[12:18] <|QuaD|> no idea
[12:18] <|QuaD|> universe?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> |QuaD|: that package is all lower-case ( gdesklets-data)
[12:18] <thoreauputic> there is also a gdesklets package
[12:18] <|QuaD|> ohh :)
[12:18] <thoreauputic> which conflicts with the *-data one
[12:18] <|QuaD|> thoreauputic: not on mine
[12:18] <|QuaD|> thoreauputic: mine had gdesklets as the app data was the applets
[12:18] <|QuaD|> thoreauputic: when you apt-get gdesklets-data it add gdesklets
[12:18] <thoreauputic> hmm... ok well I'm currently on Debian, so just ignore me :)
[12:19] <|QuaD|> oh :)
[12:21] <sm> hi all
[12:21] <zapada> hi
[12:21] <sm> does anyone know what part of the system sets up the /dev/cdrom symlinks ?
[12:22] <sm> I have /dev/hda but not the symlinks, and cd events aren't working
[12:22] <njan> sm, what distro are you running and what are you trying to do?
[12:23] <njan> sm, I'm stupid. I didn't realise this was #ubuntu
[12:23] <njan> please excuse me whilst I stab myself in the face.
[12:23] <sm> please don't go that far :)
[12:23] <sm> I'm running hoary, upgraded from knoppix->sid->...
[12:23] <njan> I've been staring at obfuscated C code for about the last 2 hours and I'm in ~two dozen irc channels, so I have an excuse :p
[12:24] <sm> as a result I had some trouble with cd access, had to add ide-cd to /etc/modules
[12:26] <sm> I thought /etc/init.d/udev restart might create them via /etc/udev/cdsymlinks.sh.. but no
[12:26] <netmonk> can someone tell me why i can play mp3 with xmms but when I try to add folders to Music Player, it tells me: "There is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file"
[12:27] <Matt|> netmonk, you need gstreamer0.8 and plugins
[12:27] <netmonk> will synaptic do the job, Matt|?
[12:27] <Matt|> gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:27] <Matt|> netmonk, if you find em yeah
[12:28] <net> hello, i am using nautilus for network browsing, but when i attempt to open a share it says it has a wrong file assosiation?  says its a desktop config file
[12:29] <net> has anyone seen this before?
[12:30] <bpd1069> How do I create loop devices in /dev?  I tried ./MAKEDEV -v loop, it appears the devices were created but I do not see them in /dev...   what am I missing here?
[12:30] <Matt|> net, yes it stopped when I removed and readded the connection
[12:30] <Matt|> bpd1069, far as i know you just need it enabled in your kernel and in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:31] <sm> aha! what's this /.dev
[12:31] <net> Matt|, you have seen this?
[12:31] <sm> with more devices, including cdrom
[12:31] <bpd1069> loop# for non-block devices (such as mounting ISO's and such) I do have lo0 for networking...
[12:31] <netmonk> 10x Matt| - it worked! ;)
[12:33] <bpd1069> ok, i must not be understanding something very trivial... thanks for the help
[12:33] <Matt|> net, as I say, happened to me
[12:34] <net> Matt|, what do you propose i do?
[12:34] <Matt|> net, remove and readd the connection
[12:34] <Matt|> rightclick-->unmount
[12:34] <Matt|> file menu in nautilus --> connect to server
[12:35] <net> this happens before a mount, when i initially connect to server
[12:35] <Matt|> net, when you click on the shortcut on the desktop?
[12:35] <net> Matt|, btw, i appreciate any help :)
[12:36] <net> no dhortcut on desktop, this is through computer->network
[12:36] <Matt|> oh
[12:36] <net> then i browse the neighborhood
[12:36] <bpd1069> bah...  found the problem...  the loop module was not loaded...  modprobe loop created the devices automatically...
[12:36] <Matt|> net, have you restarted nautilus?
[12:36] <net> when i see the server and try to initially connect, i get that error
[12:36] <net> ive rebooted oodles of times, does that count?
[12:36] <Ribs> how do I install a .deb package I have downloaded?
[12:36] <Matt|> net, yes
[12:36] <Matt|> Ribs, dpkg -i package
[12:36] <Ribs> thanks
[12:36] <net> it seems weird
[12:36] <Matt|> net, hmm
[12:37] <net> i am now looking into manually smbmount and see if it wotrks
[12:37] <Ribs> dpkg: error processing point2play_1.3.2_i386.deb (--install):
[12:37] <Ribs>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[12:37] <Ribs> bah
[12:37] <Ribs> can I override that?
[12:37] <Matt|> Ribs, no don't do that
[12:37] <Ribs> How do I install this software then?
[12:38] <Matt|> get it for your architecture? if it exists
[12:38] <scizzo> Ribs: you need to find the correct arch
[12:38] <Matt|> Ribs, not sure I'm afrad
[12:38] <Ribs> point2play works fine on amd64
[12:38] <net> Matt|, do you have any other ideas on my nautilus issues?
[12:38] <scizzo> Ribs: its a binary package
[12:38] <Ribs> it just happens to only be avaible in i386
[12:39] <scizzo> Ribs: compiled to be used on i386 machines
[12:39] <Ribs> scizzo: I know.
[12:39] <scizzo> Ribs: compile it on your own then
[12:39] <Matt|> net, it sounds really similar to the problem I had before. When i unmounted the connection and restarted it worked, but I don't know how you would do that with your problem.
[12:39] <Ribs> scizzo: I can't. It's a commerical program.
[12:39] <scizzo> Ribs: if there is no amd64 binary package then it is hard to get it working
[12:39] <Ribs> scizzo: It worked perfectly in Gentoo and Fedora
[12:39] <Ribs> so I don't see why it shouldn't here.
[12:39] <Matt|> Ribs, in gentoo you would have compiled it on your own
[12:39] <Ribs> no, it's a binary package
[12:40] <Ribs> The source isn't avalible
[12:40] <Matt|> for i386?
[12:40] <scizzo> Ribs: gentoo compiles it to follow the arch you have...fedora had a binary package that is compiled against the arch
[12:40] <Ribs> scizzo: No
[12:40] <Ribs> It's a binary package, only avaible for x86
[12:40] <Ribs> BUT... it works fine on amd64
[12:41] <Matt|> Ribs, then install it at your own risk. Force it if you like. The man page will tell you how, or dpkg -h
[12:41] <Ribs> So it can be forced?
[12:41] <Matt|> Ribs, you did it in gentoo and fedora didn't you?
[12:41] <Matt|> you must have forced it then too
[12:42] <net> Matt|, smbmount worked!!
[12:42] <net> thanks!
[12:42] <Matt|> net, i didn't do anything, you found the solution ;)
[12:42] <net> now i can listen to music once again
[12:42] <Matt|> glad tho
[12:43] <Ribs> Matt|: not really
[12:43] <Ribs> gentoo was just emerge point2play
[12:43] <Matt|> ???
[12:43] <net> Matt|, how difficult will it be to make this smbmount permanent?
[12:43] <Matt|> net, fraid I don't know. perhaps it will always work now
[12:44] <Matt|> Ribs, [ebuild  N F  ]  app-emulation/point2play-1.3.2
[12:44] <gilligan_> Matt|: problem solved.. /tmp r/w privileges were wrong.. no idea what scipt altered that tho..
[12:44] <Matt|> *grins*
[12:44] <Matt|> kewl
[12:45] <thoreauputic> net: you need an entry in /etc/fstab ( don't know the syntax for smb though, sorry)
[12:45] <gilligan_> Matt|: as for your *grin* - that is in no way related to the ro switch in fstab ;)
[12:45] <net> no mp3 support?
[12:46] <TRA_MasterChief> um....hi is anyone here?
[12:46] <Matt|> yep
[12:46] <scizzo> yes
[12:47] <TRA_MasterChief> is this the ubuntu linux irc chat room?
[12:47] <Matt|> yes
[12:47] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes
[12:47] <Matt|> ask away
[12:47] <TRA_MasterChief> cool
[12:47] <TRA_MasterChief> hahaha
[12:47] <Matt|> goddammit
[12:47] <TRA_MasterChief> i have an iBook G3 366mhz Camshell laptop
[12:47] <net> anyone know how to add mp3 support for rhythmbox?
[12:47] <TRA_MasterChief> its os is shot
[12:48] <Matt|> net, wiki, restricted formats (see topic)
[12:48] <net> ok
[12:48] <TRA_MasterChief> id like to try linux on it but im not sure what to do other than buy a linux cd set off ebay
[12:49] <net> Matt|, thats it
[12:49] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, do you have a good net connection?
[12:49] <Matt|> and a cd burner?
[12:49] <TRA_MasterChief> sorry im on dial up, i would have downloaded it cause i have a brand spanking new cd burrner
[12:49] <Matt|> :)
[12:49] <TRA_MasterChief> but it would take a month...lol
[12:49] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, ubuntu cds are free but it will take a while
[12:50] <billytwowilly> I'm having nfs difficulties. Mounting is slow or returns this error: RPC timeout. ssh is also really slow to the server. Any ideas what could be wrong with the server and/or the network?
[12:50] <TRA_MasterChief> i found one on ebay and all u pay is shiping and a small fee... dosent matter to me its way cheaper than mac or windows
[12:50] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, ubuntu will even pay the shipping ;)
[12:51] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: you have portmap installed and running?
[12:51] <TRA_MasterChief> thats ok i looked into it and it said that nov 12 was last day to sign up
[12:51] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, I believe so. I'll ssh into the server and find out
[12:51] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, that has been extended i believe
[12:51] <TRA_MasterChief> oooo...k
[12:51] <Matt|> see the topic :)
[12:52] <TRA_MasterChief> where at?
[12:52] <Matt|> order a few and distribute them to friends
[12:52] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, *grins* the topic of this channel
[12:52] <Matt|> at the top
[12:52] <TRA_MasterChief> ahhhh
[12:52] <TRA_MasterChief> cool
[12:52] <TRA_MasterChief> one more thing
[12:53] <TRA_MasterChief> my laptop wont start up at all its got a serious os failure, will it like start up if i put the ubuntu cd in?
[12:53] <billytwowilly> TRA_MasterChief,  2836 ?        00:00:00 portmap
[12:53] <billytwowilly> err.
[12:53] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic,  2836 ?        00:00:00 portmap
[12:53] <billytwowilly> TRA_MasterChief, sorry, nm;)
[12:53] <TRA_MasterChief> np
[12:53] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, yeah as long as the hardware is all working and you can boot from cd
[12:54] <ficusplanet> In hoary, with gnome-app-install replace synaptic or just be supplemental to it?
[12:54] <Matt|> gosh i haven't even seen that
[12:54] <Matt|> ficusplanet, guess you can use either tho
[12:55] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: looks like it's there then
[12:55] <TRA_MasterChief> hold on ill brb ill tell u what it does, it shouldnt matter though
[12:56] <StevenR> will i be able to install ubuntu on a pI 233 mmx laptop with 32mb ram and 3.2gb disk?
[12:56] <osiris_22> hey how do i install a .deb file?
[12:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> StevenR: you can do it
[12:57] <far_away> dpkg -i file-here
[12:57] <sjoerd> osiris_22: sudo dpkg -i <file>
[12:57] <Neill> osiris_22: dpkg -i file.deb
[12:57] <mjr> StevenR, hmh, probably be able to
[12:57] <TRA_MasterChief> wow i got a desktop version of that
[12:57] <osiris_22> thanks
[12:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> StevenR: it would not run well
[12:57] <Matt|> StevenR, it won't work very well
[12:57] <mjr> you don't want to use gnome with 32 megs...
[12:57] <Matt|> :)
[12:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> 32mb ram is ... not very much
[12:57] <Matt|> my gf pc has those specs
[12:57] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, any other ideas?
[12:57] <StevenR> it's only as an experiment, i dont want to wreck my main box
[12:57] <JDahl> StevenR, 3.2Gb is also pushing it, I think
[12:57] <Matt|> it struggles with win98 tbh
[12:58] <mjr> a 32 meg box makes a fine X terminal ;)
[12:58] <StevenR> speed is not important, and there wont be any user data
[12:58] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, It's not just nfs, ssh is also slow. I'm on a home network being routed through a wrt54G linksys router with the latest sveasoft firmware.
[12:58] <Matt|> StevenR, what are you gonna use it for?
[12:58] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, Worked great with suse..
[12:58] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: umm.. run rpcinfo -p on that server and you should get a whole bunch of stuff
[12:58] <StevenR> learing about ubuntu, to see if i like it
[12:58] <TRA_MasterChief> it says "system error occured, segment loader error" ... nothing works, will that affect booting from a cd, or the ubuntu cd?
[12:58] <roderickbhall> help - anyone know about getting WLAN to work on an IBM T40 with Gnoppix.  MADWifi driver is available for the Atheros chipset but no idea how to compile the driver into the kernel of a Gnoppix boot disk.
[12:59] <Matt|> ficusplanet, omg can't see that replacing synaptic
[12:59] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, yah, lots of stuff. Whole bunch of mountd, nlockmgn, nfs, status, sgi_fam and portmapper
[12:59] <Matt|> roderickbhall, i don't think it can be done
[12:59] <Matt|> roderickbhall, but i'm willing to be proved wrong
[12:59] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: yup that sounds right :/
[01:00] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: your host.allow and hosts.deny are configured?
[01:00] <roderickbhall> when i look at the device manager it shows the WLAN device.  does that mean that a driver is working or just that the system knows the device is there?
[01:00] <thoreauputic> *hosts.allow
[01:01] <Matt|> roderickbhall, sounds like it is working. can you see it if you type "ifconfig"?
[01:01] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, hosts.allow doesn't have anytyhing  in it that isn't commented out.
[01:02] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: that could be the problem
[01:02] <billytwowilly> thoreauputic, how would I allow everyone on the local network?
[01:02] <Matt|> 192.168.*/
[01:02] <TRA_MasterChief> did anyone see my last chat above about the error i have?
[01:02] <Matt|> whoops
[01:02] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, yes
[01:02] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: hang on I'll find you a link for nfs setup
[01:02] <TRA_MasterChief> sorry for that.....
[01:03] <roderickbhall> Matt - no, only the fixed ethernet device eth0
[01:03] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/server.html
[01:04] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: that's what I used
[01:04] <Matt|> roderickbhall, try "ifconfig -a"
[01:04] <miausX> hi! :)
[01:05] <roderickbhall> nope
[01:06] <Matt|> roderickbhall, not sure then, looks like it isn't working. Perhaps it needs firmware which you might be able to supply on disk or something
[01:06] <thoreauputic> billytwowilly: your host.allow should have portmap, lockd, rquotad, mountd, statd  ... and you shoould configure hosts.deny as well
[01:06] <TRA_MasterChief> is that a yes u saw my chat or yes it will affect the cd boot?
[01:06] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, yes i remember the chat
[01:06] <miausX> excuse me, I want to change the default desktop in my Ubuntu, if I use the "custom" option before install (in the boot: line) Ubuntu install only the Debian base system?
[01:07] <TRA_MasterChief> ooo sorry
[01:07] <roderickbhall> Matt - am a linux newbie.  can you tell me what it means that the device shows in the device manager.  where do i go in linux to look at drivers associated with particular devices?
[01:07] <mario> miausX, install the package ubuntu-desktop
[01:08] <miausX> mario: epa, eres espaol? :)
[01:08] <Matt|> roderickbhall, there will probably be a project page for your particular chip, trying doing a search on google?
[01:08] <mario> no Chileno :)
[01:08] <miausX> aha :D
[01:11] <|QuaD|> could i use qemu to run windows?
[01:11] <Nivlem> I need to install automake for a program I am trying to compile...I have versions 1.4 to 1.9...do I need to install any extra for backward compatibility?
[01:12] <Quest-Master> Do you have make and gcc?
[01:12] <|QuaD|> could i use qemu to run windows?
[01:12] <mjr> |QuaD|, yes
[01:12] <|QuaD|> :)
[01:12] <TRA_MasterChief> um so how do i sign up for cd sets of ubuntu?
[01:13] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[01:13] <mjr> (at least some versions, and YMMV)
[01:13] <zapada_> I want my ubuntu CD's!
[01:13] <mjr> you and me both
[01:13] <TRA_MasterChief> lol
[01:13] <net> i am a ubuntu newb,but so far it looks nice
[01:14] <zapada_> I want my ubuntu!
[01:14] <mjr> the uni cs students' lounge could use some borrowable cds :)
[01:14] <Q-FUNK> I want my, I want my, I want my own CD
[01:14] <TRA_MasterChief> id like to get it but i feel invisable here.....
[01:15] <Q-FUNK> moaning for nothing and the gnome for free
[01:15] <|QuaD|> mjr trying win 2003 server :)
[01:16] <flam> anyone know how to fix so that the kernel doesn't send out loads of messages for usb-storage? i had to disable a couple of log options in syslogd or else my harddrive got filled :/
[01:16] <net> does anyone use ubuntu as a server in production environment?
[01:17] <scizzo> net: ubuntu is not really suggested to be used for server environments....
[01:17] <|QuaD|> net: i consider mine a production environment
[01:17] <scizzo> net: instead use Debian for that
[01:17] <|QuaD|> net: just LOW production
[01:17] <zenwhen_> net, probably yes, but they probably don't irc.
[01:17] <zenwhen_> lol
[01:17] <RuffianSoldier> Hey ShuttlesWorth
[01:17] <net> ok, just wondering
[01:18] <TRA_MasterChief> im new at this whole linux thing, im wondering.. can u use mac cd's and windows cd's on the same computer if u have linux on it?
[01:18] <zapada_> Ok, I ordered ubuntu cds nov 14, and now I check the shipit, and it dosent say shipped yet
[01:18] <thoreauputic> net: for maximum reliability, debian stable ( currently woody, sarge *real soon now*
[01:19] <|QuaD|> i wish we had dreamweaver for linux
[01:19] <eyal> hello @!
[01:19] <TRA_MasterChief> hi
[01:19] <mjr> TRA_MasterChief, yes
[01:19] <TRA_MasterChief> u can?!?!
[01:19] <eyal> can i link to IRC from BROWSER not manually ?
[01:19] <|QuaD|> TRA_MasterChief: but if there are binaries on them, they will only run on their native system
[01:20] <scizzo> |QuaD|: vim and so on works fine as a good html editor
[01:20] <TRA_MasterChief> binariers are?.... im not that good yet...lol
[01:20] <zapada_> Ok, I ordered ubuntu cds nov 14, and now I check the shipit, and it dosent say shipped yet
[01:20] <thoreauputic> eyal: you can get an extension/plugin for firefox to do irc, I believe
[01:20] <scizzo> |QuaD|: but you could try bluefish
[01:20] <|QuaD|> scizzo: i am not a web designer, i program a lot. I ma doing stuff in php and i hate doing the html part of it
[01:20] <|QuaD|> scizzo:
[01:20] <|QuaD|> yeah
[01:21] <sm> sooo.. that /.dev was important after all
[01:21] <eyal> thoreauputic, where can i find something like this ?
[01:21] <sm> I thought it was junk, removed it can't now can't boot
[01:21] <sm> any idea how I might restore it ? I'm running from live cd now
[01:21] <|QuaD|> sm... is your system backed up?
[01:21] <Hikaru79> I ordered my Ubuntu CD's back in October, zapada_, and I *still* haven't gotten them =/
[01:22] <thoreauputic> eyal: https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/showlist.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&numpg=&category=Chat
[01:22] <sm> not .dev
[01:22] <eyal> Hikaru79, download it
[01:22] <eyal> thanks thoreauputic
[01:22] <scizzo> sm: hold on...you removed /dev?
[01:22] <sm> no, I removed /.dev
[01:23] <|QuaD|> i would just do a fresh install
[01:23] <scoon> sm, why not copy it from the live cd ?
[01:23] <scoon> if it is there, that is.
[01:23] <sm> it gives an error
[01:23] <sm> actually, /.dev is empty after booting from live cd
[01:23] <Hikaru79> eyal, I have; I've been using it for a while now; I want pressed CD's because it'll entice all my friends ;)
[01:23] <sm> I tried copying /dev
[01:23] <Ribs> is there anything beyond fsck to fix a borked filesystem?
[01:23] <sm> I'm not sure what is the role of .dev
[01:23] <|QuaD|> Hikaru79: i have them ordered too... i want to give them out :)
[01:24] <Hikaru79> :) Yup, same
[01:24] <sm> except that it had the missing cdrom links I've been hunting for...
[01:24] <Hikaru79> If you just tell 'em "Download it" they never will... but give them a nice bright shiny pressed CD and they're sold :)
[01:24] <scoon> sm, it looks like they are what populates /dev
[01:25] <TRA_MasterChief> will ubuntu install if the Mac Os is messed up?
[01:25] <sm> when I was running from hd, /.dev had more entries than /dev
[01:25] <|QuaD|> TRA_MasterChief: define messed up
[01:25] <sm> and I had a warning during boot about .udev.tdb already existing
[01:25] <scoon> sm, yeah, it looks like it has every thing that could be a device
[01:25] <sm> I see
[01:26] <TRA_MasterChief> it says "system error occured, segment loader error" ... it wont boot at all and it gives u a reboot button.
[01:27] <|QuaD|> so thats macOS thats screwed up, nigth the comp, right?
[01:27] <TRA_MasterChief> the hardware is fine it all works
[01:27] <paulproteus> I'd run a memory tester to make sure; but I don't know of any for powerpc.
[01:27] <TRA_MasterChief> right, the comp is in great condition, its an iBook G3 366mhz Camshell laptop
[01:28] <sm> thx
[01:28] <TRA_MasterChief> it used to work untill it started having extension failures then this last error occured and i could do nothing, pluss i dont have an os disc, i want to try linux
[01:28] <paulproteus> TRA_MasterChief: It's really easy to install Ubuntu if you are going to not install Mac OS.
[01:29] <TRA_MasterChief> yea, i dont like the mac os, i want it GONE
[01:29] <TRA_MasterChief> pluse linux is alot cheaper
[01:29] <TRA_MasterChief> plus*
[01:29] <|QuaD|> TRA_MasterChief: :) i like the price of ubuntu
[01:29] <TRA_MasterChief> me too
[01:30] <TRA_MasterChief> so it would probably work
[01:31] <TRA_MasterChief> i want to format the hard drive and delete everything.. can u do that if the os is messed up and then u put the ubuntu cd in
[01:31] <TRA_MasterChief> ???
[01:32] <RuffianSoldier> lilllllllll
[01:34] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, yes
[01:34] <egon_spe1gler> TRA_MasterChief: Ubuntu has a drive formatting section upon install, you just need to specify partition to format and filesystem to use
[01:35] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, you need to be able to boot from cd, which you can probably do
[01:35] <thoreauputic_> hmm.. trying out the extension for firefox/chatzilla - looks pretty cool :)
[01:35] <sm> back with more questions
[01:37] <sm> why does root=myhdpartition have no effect on the live cd ? when running from live cd, is there a way to remove the cd so I can burn another ? how do I persist settings from one live cd run to the next ?
[01:37] <TRA_MasterChief> cds worked before it went to crap...
[01:37] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, that will be fine
[01:37] <TRA_MasterChief> cool
[01:38] <TRA_MasterChief> well if it works good i might get me a copy for my windows computer too
[01:38] <TRA_MasterChief> i hate windows ME
[01:38] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, your computer bios specifies the order that the computer will look to boot something: normally it will try the cd drive first, then the harddisk. So that OS problem will not affect your ability to boot from cd
[01:38] <TRA_MasterChief> yea, thats how my windows comp boots, its just i could never get to the bios to see if i could ever change that , but ur right
[01:39] <TRA_MasterChief> lol it dosent even have a floppy drive
[01:39] <Matt|> lots of laptops dont have em
[01:39] <Matt|> nowaways..
[01:40] <TRA_MasterChief> yea, now we have flash drives... i love those things, i got a 128 mb stick and it comes in handy
[01:40] <TRA_MasterChief> so what are the advantages to useing a linux based os?
[01:41] <Matt|> TRA_MasterChief, no viruses and spyware is one
[01:42] <Matt|> also see www.opensource.org
[01:42] <TRA_MasterChief> oh thank god, i have so many problems with that on my windows pc
[01:42] <Seq> anybody know if there is a nice gvm equivalant for non-graphical systems?
[01:42] <TRA_MasterChief> i got ad aware and spyblocker ... i wish i didnt need them
[01:43] <JStrike> I never had a virus when I ran Windows. Dont really think that is a feature of linux
[01:43] <defendguin> JStrike: sure it is
[01:43] <Seq> TRA_MasterChief: on a windows system, if you're using firefox and use a firewall (and assuming you dont download shady looking software) you shouldnt need them
[01:43] <JStrike> TRA_MasterChief : Faster pace of development is one of the main advantages
[01:43] <Matt|> JStrike, sure it is. People don't write viruses for linux
[01:43] <defendguin> JStrike: you cant run a windows pc and browse the web without picking up sspyware
[01:44] <TRA_MasterChief> i cant delete them fast enough
[01:44] <JStrike> Matt| : Not yet. But as I said, I used windows from 3.1 - win98 and never got a virus
[01:44] <Seq> defendguin: yes you can, just don't use ie. switching my family to firefox has drastically dropped "come over for dinner" calls
[01:45] <TRA_MasterChief> i have reinstalled windows, and fixed it so many times i want to break the disc....
[01:45] <Matt|> JStrike, fine. But others have had em
[01:45] <TRA_MasterChief> i use earthlink and the popup blocker is awsome , but i still get adware and spyware
[01:45] <Marble2> gar
[01:45] <Marble2> I need a little help
[01:45] <Marble2> using the normal install CD, I go through the process, and get the the partition screen, and then I get all confused
[01:46] <defendguin> Seq: firefox lessens them but not completely
[01:46] <Marble2> what do I need to do so that I have ubuntu install to a certain partition, and not touch the others
[01:46] <Marble2> it always tells me there I have no root directory selected
[01:46] <Seq> defendguin: i haven't had a single problem with anybody using firefox. granted, i havent gone to look, but i would have expected to be whined at since i installed it initially
[01:47] <TRA_MasterChief> so is ubuntu the newest linux version?
[01:47] <Seq> Marble2: tell it not to touch the other partitions, select the partition you want to install it to, and select a filesystem type
[01:48] <Marble2> what type
[01:48] <Marble2> NTFS is not listed
[01:48] <Marble2> just some weird shit + FAT
[01:48] <padlefot> hi
[01:48] <Muskrat> ubuntu vs gentoo, which features make one or the other better?
[01:48] <Matt|> Muskrat, come off it
[01:48] <far_away> Does ubuntu have some problem with eth0 and eth1 working at the same time?
[01:48] <Muskrat> ?
[01:48] <padlefot> I am very new to linux, and have som issues..
[01:48] <padlefot> could anyone help me?
[01:48] <Seq> Marble2: well those are linux filesystems (except fat, which you shouldnt be able to use as your base partition for a linux system anyway)
[01:48] <thoreauputic_> heh - the  chatzilla extension for firefox is really quite nice - and only a 230KB download. I'm impressed
[01:48] <Matt|> padlefot, sure
[01:49] <Marble2> Seq: Which one do you reccomend?
[01:49] <Seq> Marble2: stick with ext3
[01:49] <Marble2> ok
[01:49] <padlefot> Matt|: I Installed Ubuntu with GRUB, and got Error 18 when rebooting
[01:49] <RuffianSoldier> Marble2, ya ext3 rocks
[01:49] <Marble2> what about the thing where I choose to format, do not touch, etc
[01:49] <Marble2> for that partiton
[01:49] <padlefot> then i tried installing with LILO and it didnt wanna let me..
[01:49] <Marble2> what should I select?
[01:49] <Matt|> padlefot, not sure what error 18 means
[01:49] <Seq> you would want to tell it to format your new partition, and BE SURE to tell it not to touch your old windows partition
[01:49] <Marble2> ok
[01:50] <Marble2> er
[01:50] <Marble2> wtf
[01:50] <Marble2> the partition is gone
[01:50] <Marble2> I can't see it in windows
[01:50] <Marble2> it was empty, but now it's not there
[01:50] <padlefot> it says grub cant be installed under /target/., and the install program asks me if i want to continue anyways
[01:50] <Seq> Marble2: what do you mean?
[01:50] <Matt|> padlefot, sorry not sure
[01:50] <|QuaD|> hey, have you guys seen: http://www.FreeDesktopPC.com/?r=9334743 it gets you a free pc
[01:50] <Marble2> the partition
[01:50] <Marble2> that I was going to install ubuntu on
[01:50] <Marble2> it won't show up in windows any more
[01:51] <Seq> Marble2: what partitions are listed?
[01:51] <Matt|> |QuaD|, don't do that
[01:51] <Marble2> C: G: H: and F:
[01:51] <cardador> Marble2: windows dont support ext3
[01:51] <jpe> anyone know how to set up hibernation on a laptop?
[01:51] <Seq> |QuaD|: i'm not going to harvest addresses for them :)
[01:51] <padlefot> Matt|: I think i have some issues with the partitions
[01:51] <Marble2> i must have formatted the partition on accident
[01:51] <Marble2> oh well, it was empty so meh, I'll go try again in ubuntu
[01:51] <|QuaD|> Seq: :)
[01:51] <Matt|> jpe, in the wiki look for acpi or suspend
[01:51] <Seq> Marble2: linux partitions wont show up in windows. only ntfs, fat (and maybe a few select others) will
[01:52] <Marble2> I probably formatted it on accident
[01:52] <Marble2> shrug
[01:52] <Marble2> ok thanks
[01:52] <Marble2> going to try another install
[01:52] <padlefot> i cant install either GRUB or LILO, still it worked 100% fine in slackware..
[01:52] <padlefot> :P
[01:53] <padlefot> how should i setup my partitions?
[01:53] <TRA_MasterChief> well matt, quad and others who helped me thank you so much.  when i get my copy, and if i have other questions, im coming here.
[01:53] <TRA_MasterChief> have a good night, bye.
[01:56] <far_away> can someone pleae help me with an ssh question?
[01:56] <mp_> hi... in the middle of an Ubuntu install and it asks: "Device for bootloader installation", but I want to keep my current Grub on another drive.
[01:56] <far_away> I have sshd running at my homebox, but when I try to ssh to it, i get nothing...
[01:57] <palle1> where can i get glib 2.0+ ?
[01:57] <housetier> fabbione does your homebox' firewall accept connections on port 22
[01:57] <mp_> google has turned up this, so far: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2894.html
[01:58] <mp_> can ubuntu not be installed without installing grub?
[01:58] <mp_> perhaps defined earlier in the process?
[01:58] <jpe> Matt, I am using the 2.6.9 kernels from http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops; would it be better to compile 2.6.8?
[01:59] <far_away> housetier, i presume that was me you were talking to, thanks , well, i have not setup a firewall or anything
[01:59] <Matt|> jpe, have you followed the instructions on the wiki page for that custom kernel?
[01:59] <padlefot> how do I install lilo or grub to master boot sector?
[01:59] <housetier> far_away yes I meant to talk to you :)
[01:59] <heero17> hola
[01:59] <heero17> :D
[01:59] <far_away> housetier, i have openssh-server installed and all that
[01:59] <housetier> far_away whats the hostname?
[02:00] <heero17> hello
[02:00] <jpe> Matt, not yet; I guess I'll try that now
[02:00] <heero17> long life ubuntu :)
[02:00] <padlefot> instead of HDA1 or whats it called
[02:00] <far_away> housetier: ubuntu.ath.cx
[02:00] <housetier> far_away can you ssh to stan.kicks-ass.net from where you are now?
[02:00] <far_away> housetier, yes, it asks me the yes/no question
[02:01] <far_away> housetier, is there something i need to do to explicitly accept incoming connections on port 22?
[02:01] <mdke> far_away, is this a local network box?
[02:01] <housetier> far_away well it seems the host isnt reachable at all
[02:01] <mdke> you got a router?
[02:02] <mp_> so, no ubuntu without grub then?
[02:02] <far_away> mdke, yeah, running at home... i have a cable connection, a wireless router and a wireless card on the amd machine
[02:02] <Symbolix> I am using floppies to install Ubuntu. Whenever I try to load kernels from the cd, the installer states that the kernel and the installer are not compatible versions. Do I need to dl diff floppy imgs?
[02:03] <housetier> far_away are you sure the host can be accessed from the outside?
[02:03] <mdke> far_away, you need to forward connections to the right computer by configuring your router, have you done that?
[02:03] <padlefot> anybody else having problems with grub here?
[02:03] <far_away> housetier, mdke, is there a way I can test if it is? i will when I get home...
[02:04] <mdke> far_away, well you would know about it if you had done it
[02:04] <far_away> when I was home, I tried to access my desktop thru ssh from my laptop, and it still did not work
[02:04] <TonyK> Did the install of Warty install the C compiler.  I can't seem to find it.
[02:04] <mdke> far_away, what did you type to try and connect from home?
[02:04] <far_away> mdke, ssh <ip address>
[02:04] <mdke> far_away, local network ip address?
[02:05] <padlefot> try opening port 8080 for ssh, it sometimes works
[02:05] <padlefot> ./etc/sshd_config/ elns
[02:05] <far_away> 68.202.170.19 -> i got it from a "whats my ip address" website
[02:05] <padlefot> ssh -p 8080
[02:05] <Symbolix> Are there different versions of the debian installer, and which one do I need to download to be compatible with the Ubuntu cd?
[02:05] <mdke> far_away, ok fine
[02:05] <mdke> far_away, what is happening is this:
[02:05] <housetier> padlefot but far_away can use ssh, at least to one of my boxes
[02:05] <padlefot> hmm..
[02:05] <padlefot> strange
[02:06] <theine> Hi, are we likely to see a newer ipw2100 in the official Ubuntu kernel in the near future?
[02:06] <mdke> far_away, the connection comes in from the outside, gets to your router, and doesn't know where to go. you need to set up port forwarding to tell the router to send the connection to your desktop computer where the server is
[02:06] <housetier> I think mdke is going in the right direction, suggesting to check port forwarding
[02:06] <theine> ... ipw2100 driver...
[02:06] <far_away> housetier, mdke, padlefot, the objective was to use irc while at school, i do that thru my hosting shell account, right now :) but i want to figure out what the problem is, since, later, I want to be able to access files on the homebox from school thru ssh
[02:07] <mdke> far_away, do you understand?
[02:07] <far_away> mdke, and how would i start to do that?
[02:07] <|QuaD|> far_away: i am too lazy to read up... whats the problem?
[02:07] <mdke> far_away, your router manufacturer gives you a webpage interface you can connect to
[02:07] <mdke> far_away, you go there and set it up
[02:07] <padlefot> i really need some help here
[02:08] <far_away> mdke, absolutely, yes, okay, now i see what you are getting at -- just like I open up bittorrent services in the night, i will have to open up ssh services, is that it?
[02:08] <|QuaD|> padlefot: whats the problem?
[02:08] <padlefot> Grub loading, please wait...
[02:08] <padlefot> Error 18
[02:08] <far_away> |QuaD|, some arcane ssh stuff - i can't ssh to my box :)
[02:08] <mdke> far_away, correct. You need to set up port 22 to go to your desktop server LOCAL address (which will be something like 192.168.*)
[02:08] <|QuaD|> i am sensing its your firewall
[02:08] <heero17> :)
[02:08] <far_away> mdke, thanks, will try that, right away
[02:08] <mdke> far_away, you will probably only be able to do that from home
[02:08] <Quest-Master> Someone.. please help me ;-; http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7296
[02:09] <padlefot> |QuaD|: I have installed ubuntu, but Grub doesnt wanna work..
[02:09] <padlefot> It may have something to do with me having to install it to the master boot sector
[02:09] <padlefot> but i dont know how
[02:09] <mdke> far_away, to test the server, from your laptop you can type "ssh 192.168.*", substituting the * for the address of your desktop
[02:09] <far_away> thanks, mdke padlefot |QuaD| housetier ...
[02:09] <mdke> yw
[02:09] <housetier> :)
[02:09] <far_away> mdke, i will when I get home...
[02:11] <padlefot> have you just installed the ubuntu as the installer says? or do i have to change some settings to make Lilo/Grub work
[02:12] <Symbolix> Are there different versions of the debian installer, and which one do I need to download to be compatible with the Ubuntu cd?
[02:13] <mdke> does anyone know by any chance how to set firefox to open links in new tab by default with left button, and close tabs by default by clicking on them with left button? I can't find the right option
[02:13] <jdodson> symbolix: there is one debian installer that comes on the cd.
[02:13] <Symbolix> jdod: I know, but im using floppy installation
[02:13] <Symbolix> Whenever I try to load kernels from the cd, the installer states that the kernel and the installer are not compatible versions. Do I need to dl diff floppy imgs?
[02:13] <housetier> mdke edit -> preferences -> tabbed browsing
[02:14] <housetier> "Load links in:"
[02:14] <jdodson> symbolix: oh i see.
[02:14] <mdke> housetier, oh that is simpler than I thought, I was trawling through about:config
[02:14] <mdke> housetier, cheers
[02:14] <|QuaD|> i give up, enough of this bs and stalling... time to go do some work! damn asp.net
[02:14] <Symbolix> jodo: Yeah, i have dl'd several images, none work
[02:14] <far_away> mdke there used to be an extension that did what you wanted
[02:15] <housetier> Symbolix you can try to boot from floppy wiht the smart bootmanager, which then can "boot" your cdrom
[02:15] <jdodson> symbolix: yeah i would give that a try.
[02:15] <housetier> Symbolix I have used the smart bootmanager on systems that can't boot from cd
[02:15] <Symbolix> Elaborate: boot manager?
[02:16] <mdke> housetier, actually i don't think the preferences do what I described. at least I can't see the right option
[02:16] <Symbolix> Where can I get this smart bootmanager?
[02:17] <Marble2> yay, I got ubuntu installed
[02:17] <theine> Symbolix: btmgr.webframe.org
[02:17] <Marble2> I like having x-chat by default
[02:17] <Symbolix> Will try
[02:17] <jdodson> marble2: congratulations, ubuntu is a good distro.
[02:17] <Marble2> jdodson: thanks
[02:17] <housetier> Symbolix http://btmgr.webframe.org/
[02:17] <Marble2> kinda stupid question, but this is my first time using linux
[02:17] <Symbolix> Got it
[02:17] <Marble2> what should I do?
[02:18] <housetier> mdke there used to be an option to display the close thingy on every tab
[02:18] <jdodson> marble2: what do you want to do?
[02:18] <Marble2> i dunno
[02:18] <Marble2> how do I get to command line
[02:18] <jdodson> marble2: play a game, surf the web.
[02:18] <Marble2> so I can run top and such
[02:18] <Marble2> I thought that was what linux was all about
[02:18] <jdodson> applications/system tools/terminal
[02:18] <mdke> housetier, no that isn't what I want to do. I want it to open links that I click on with the left mouse button in new tabs rather than in the same window
[02:18] <jdodson> that will bring up the "console"
[02:18] <far_away> mdke http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/#tbe
[02:19] <housetier> mdke yes either get the tabbrowser extension or FF 1.0
[02:19] <jdodson> marble2: well the power of gnu/linux is through the console, so you are right on that one.
[02:19] <tritium> I've seen the terms "multiverse" and "universe" in the FAQs and wiki.  I'm trying to figure out the difference...
[02:19] <mdke> housetier, i am on 1.0
[02:19] <Marble2> jdodson: how do I open up a command prompt?
[02:19] <Marble2> window
[02:19] <mdke> thanks far_away
[02:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> anyone using bittorrent here?
[02:19] <jdodson> marble2: click the foot or the application menu go to system tools then click terminal.
[02:19] <jdodson> lmanewbie: i got it to work for me.
[02:20] <housetier> mdke do you want to open *every* link in a new tab?
[02:20] <mdke> yes
[02:20] <mdke> and close tabs by left clicking too
[02:20] <tritium> And I'm surprised by the "FinishInstallationHowto", indicating I have to compile nNidia drivers.  I thought that wasn't the case...
[02:20] <jdodson> marble2: did you get it open?
[02:20] <yz> yes bit torrentu on ubuntu YES
[02:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> jdodson: are you getting directconnections?
[02:20] <palle1> can any1 in here sned me glib2 +????? gtk's server is down
[02:20] <Marble2> yup
[02:20] <Marble2> thanks
[02:20] <jdodson> lmanewbie: yep.
[02:20] <Marble2> any way I can view the contents of my windows NTFS partitions through ubuntu?
[02:21] <yz> marble2 readonly YES
[02:21] <jdodson> marble2: not sure if NTFS is in ubuntu by default let me check.
[02:21] <far_away> mdke, please check out http://www.kayodeok.co.uk/weblog/200407/17/firefox_new_window.html too
[02:21] <jdodson> marble2: ok there you go.
[02:21] <heero17> yeah if u kernel suport that opcion :D
[02:21] <Marble2> yz: what would be fine
[02:21] <mdke> far_away, ok i will
[02:21] <Marble2> how do I do that?
[02:21] <housetier> mdke ok in that case the option in preferences won't do what you want, that's only for links that would open in a new window, or for popups without a size
[02:21] <_|Imanewbie|_> jdodson: Are you able to get direct connections?
[02:21] <housetier> links that just lead to different page on the same host would be opened in the same tab
[02:21] <yz> fdisk -l /dev/hda1
[02:22] <yz> then mount using: mount command
[02:22] <jdodson> lmanewbie: i can connect to a seed and download the file/files fine if that is what you mean.
[02:22] <Marble2> I do that yz?
[02:22] <yz> to view ntfs readonly, yes marble2
[02:22] <tritium> Is this correct? => http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FinishInstallationHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia
[02:23] <Marble2> ok
[02:23] <zapada_> coolio
[02:24] <Marble2> ok I did that
[02:24] <Marble2> now what?
[02:24] <theine> Are the Ubuntu kernel patches indicidually available somewhere?
[02:25] <theine> like one diff per individual patch, not in one big file
[02:25] <Marble2> yz?
[02:25] <yz> hi marble
[02:25] <Marble2> I did that, how do I view the contents now?
[02:25] <yz> you mounted?
[02:25] <yz> or fdisk -l
[02:26] <Marble2> fdisk
[02:26] <housetier> The_Iconoclast what do you need them for if I might ask
[02:26] <housetier> erm
[02:26] <housetier> theine I mean
[02:26] <Marble2> what exactly then?
[02:26] <Marble2> mount hda1
[02:26] <Marble2> ?
[02:26] <yz> so i assumed hda1 was the drive containing your ntfs
[02:26] <_|Imanewbie|_> jdodson: how did you managed bit torrent?
[02:26] <Marble2> greg@Greg:/dev $ mount hda1
[02:26] <Marble2> mount: can't find hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:27] <yz> try this: mount /dev/hda1 /media
[02:27] <theine> housetier: what do you mean erm?
[02:27] <housetier> what do you need them for if I might ask
[02:27] <Marble2> had to use sudo... but
[02:27] <Marble2> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[02:27] <padlefot> crappy bootloader
[02:27] <theine> housetier: oh i see, i'd like to see the ipw2100 patch as it seems to be different from the official one
[02:28] <yz> marble, was hda1 your NTFS partition?
[02:28] <jdodson> lmanewbie: i installed teh bittorrent from universe and bittorent gui from universe.
[02:28] <yz> it might be hdb1 or hda2
[02:28] <padlefot> the installer doesnt give me any choice if i want to install to MBR or hda.. anybody? please?
[02:28] <Marble2> I had 3 of them
[02:28] <yz> hdb is 2nd drive
[02:28] <yz> hda is first, etc
[02:28] <yz> 3 drives? or 3 partitions?
[02:29] <Marble2> 2 drives, 4 partitons
[02:29] <Marble2> with a 5th for linux
[02:29] <yz> in any case, you have to read the result of fdisk
[02:29] <Marble2> how do I do that?
[02:29] <Marble2> i tried fdisk -l hda
[02:29] <yz> look for the partition name associated with NTFS
[02:29] <Marble2> huh?
[02:30] <yz> marble, you may PM the result of your fdisk commands if you wish
[02:30] <housetier> theine you will find all the patched in the source package for the kernel "apt-get source kernel-source-version" or so
[02:30] <tritium> Are the terms "multiverse" and "universe" used interchangeably?
[02:31] <theine> housetier: great, i'll have a look then
[02:34] <thoreauputic> Marble2: this will help I think >>> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:35] <Xenguy> tritium: hrm, I *thought* they were different (get a 2nd opinion tho)
[02:35] <far_away> tritium, AFAIK, no
[02:35] <Xenguy> tritium: it must be a FAQ
[02:35] <far_away> tritium http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.1228090247
[02:36] <theine> housetier: it's not different at all actually, just a very old one
[02:37] <tritium> Xenguy & far_away: thanks!
[02:37] <Quest-Master> Where are the .deb files downloaded from apt-get kept
[02:38] <housetier> Quest-Master /var/cache/apt/archive iirc
[02:39] <far_away> tritium, anytime
[02:42] <funnylookinhat> what is the package name that handles 3 or 4 codecs that are common on windows?
[02:42] <tritium> The FinishInstallHowto seems to contradict the BinaryDriverHowto regarding nVIdia drivers.
[02:43] <yz> marble2 is now a happy camper
[02:43] <thoreauputic> tritium: I think there are two drivers - one "open and free" but less optimised, and the proprietary nVidia ones
[02:44] <far_away> funnylookinhat, essential-codecs
[02:44] <far_away> i think
[02:44] <tritium> thoreauputic: oh, is that so?
[02:44] <Quest-Master> I think my Ubuntu is dead x_x
[02:45] <far_away> funnylookinhat, check the media howto in the forums.. (howto threads)
[02:45] <thoreauputic> tritium: I don't use nVidia, but the stock open source driver is nv I seem to recall - but it doesn't do 3D, again IIRC
[02:46] <tritium> thoreauputic: You're right about the nvidia vs. nv driver, but both of these Howto's deal with the binary nvidia driver in different ways.
[02:46] <thoreauputic> tritium: ah, I see
[02:46] <tritium> thoreauputic: Thanks for your help all the same! :)
[02:46] <rattboi> yeah, I think there's a lot of ways to install it
[02:47] <rattboi> I followed this guide called "The Debian Way" to get mine to work
[02:47] <tritium> I suppose so.  It looks like the BinaryDriverHowto should be the preferred method.
[02:47] <tritium> Anyway, I have an ubuntu success story.  My hard drive failed to the point that I can't boot from it.  (Buzzing, whirring, etc.)
[02:48] <thoreauputic> tritium: heh - "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" - anyway, I believe people have had success with the drivers :)
[02:48] <tritium> I was able to use the ubuntu LiveCD to mount the drive and recover some important data! :)
[02:48] <Quest-Master> Awesome.
[02:49] <Quest-Master> I think my Ubuntu is going to hell though unluckily.
[02:49] <tritium> It was a huge relief.  I had backups, but not the latest changes to some importat work.
[02:49] <tritium> Quest-Master: what happened?
[02:49] <tritium> Quest-Master: /var/cache/apt/archives, if your question was not answered before
[02:49] <padlefot> is there none here that knows how to install Grub/Lilo to MBR with Ubuntu ?
[02:49] <Quest-Master> My apt-get is broken.
[02:50] <Quest-Master> Worst thing EVER.
[02:50] <Quest-Master> I just reinstalled Ubuntu 2 days ago too.
[02:50] <thoreauputic> for those of you interested - I'm playing with the chatzilla extension for firefox and it's quite impressive, IMO. has some nice easy to use features and looks pretty good as well
[02:50] <tritium> I'm actually on a debian system until my replacement hard drive comes tomorrow, and I'll install ubuntu.
[02:50] <tritium> That's where debian keeps .deb files anyway.
[02:51] <tritium> I assume it's the same on ubuntu.
[02:51] <thoreauputic> I normally use xchat and irssi-text, but this extension is certainly rather nice ! :D
[02:51] <tritium> Quest-Master: how is apt broken?  What exactly is happening?
[02:52] <Quest-Master> Pretty funny story, actually.
[02:52] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7296
[02:53] <padlefot> wow
[02:53] <padlefot> i actually made it, all on my own
[02:53] <padlefot> just had to install in expert mode
[02:54] <freebase> hi, can i change /etc/apt/sources.list to use sarge?
[02:54] <rattboi> sarge?
[02:54] <rattboi> I think this is an ubuntu channel :P
[02:55] <thoreauputic> freebase: don't
[02:55] <rattboi> why is everyone trying to hack ubuntu to make debian + Gnome 2.8?
[02:55] <funnylookinhat> rattboi, they are bored.
[02:55] <padlefot> new distros is fun
[02:55] <tritium> Quest-Master: so you
[02:56] <tritium> 've tried removing mplayer?
[02:56] <freebase> what is "hoary" ?
[02:56] <tritium> And since apt-get install -f doesn't work, what does "dpkg --configure --pending" do?
[02:57] <rattboi> freebase: it's the dev branch of ubuntu
[02:57] <Quest-Master> tritium: Trying that now
[02:57] <tritium> okay.
[02:57] <freebase> rattboi: instable?
[02:57] <Quest-Master> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mplayer-686:
[02:57] <Quest-Master>  mplayer-686 depends on mplayer-586; however:
[02:57] <Quest-Master>   Package mplayer-586 is not configured yet.
[02:57] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing mplayer-686 (--configure):
[02:57] <Quest-Master>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:57] <rattboi> basically
[02:57] <Quest-Master> Setting up libgii0-target-x (0.8.4+cvs.stable.20040218-2) ...
[02:57] <Quest-Master> Setting up libgii0 (0.8.4+cvs.stable.20040218-2) ...
[02:58] <Quest-Master> Setting up libggi2 (2.0.4-3) ...
[02:58] <rattboi> but a lot of people run it anyways
[02:58] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:58] <Quest-Master>  mplayer-586
[02:58] <Quest-Master>  mplayer-686
[02:58] <Quest-Master> :(
[02:58] <freebase> rattboi: ok i'll try it
[02:58] <rattboi> I.E. I"m running it :P
[02:58] <rattboi> and I'm pretty noob
[02:58] <rattboi> (but learning fast)
[02:58] <tritium> Quest-Master: try apt-get install -f again now.
[02:59] <Quest-Master> Preconfiguring packages ...
[02:59] <Quest-Master> (Reading database ... 68850 files and directories currently installed.)
[02:59] <Quest-Master> Unpacking liblame0 (from .../liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb) ...
[02:59] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:59] <Quest-Master>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libmp3lame0
[02:59] <Quest-Master> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[02:59] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:59] <Quest-Master>  /var/cache/apt/archives/liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb
[02:59] <Quest-Master> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:59] <Quest-Master> I shouldn't be flooding like this lol
[02:59] <tritium> yeah, don't paste any more
[03:00] <freebase> =)
[03:00] <stuNNed> Quest-Master, remove the file or run apt-get --force_something, see apt-get manpage
[03:00] <tritium> Quest-Master: you might try apt-get install --force-overwrite liblame0
[03:01] <lev> Hey dos anyone know how to get that AcOSX style icons on the desktop?
[03:01] <lev> SMACOSX*
[03:01] <lev> MACOSX*
[03:01] <tritium> then, if what you really want is to remove it, do so, and reinstall that package that it overwrote
[03:01] <lev> like the little toolabr lookin thing on the bottom
[03:02] <stuNNed> lev, think gdesklets supports the toolbar lookalike
[03:02] <Quest-Master> E: Command line option --force-overwrite is not understood
[03:02] <stuNNed> lev, and there are macosx themes
[03:02] <lev> is that in SPM?
[03:02] <tritium> Quest-Master: sorry, that's a dpkg option
[03:02] <stuNNed> Quest-Master, --force-yes
[03:02] <lev> i havr the theme i want the toolbar
[03:02] <tritium> Quest-Master: you could cd /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:03] <lev> i am not sure what gdesklets
[03:03] <Quest-Master> I deleted all of the mplayer
[03:03] <lev> is.
[03:03] <Quest-Master> Btw
[03:03] <Quest-Master> I tried both of the things you've told me to do, stuNNed and tritium
[03:03] <Quest-Master> Same errors continuosly
[03:03] <tritium> and dpkg -i --force-overwrite liblame0
[03:04] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing liblame0 (--install):
[03:04] <Quest-Master>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[03:04] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:04] <Quest-Master>  liblame0
[03:04] <Quest-Master> hehe.
[03:04] <tritium> (use the whole file name, including .deb)
[03:04] <Quest-Master> Same thing.
[03:04] <tritium> Quest-Master: you're in /var/cache/apt/archives?
[03:04] <tritium> you can see the .deb?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> cd /var/cache/apt/archives first, Quest-Master  ;)
[03:05] <newbeee> are there any ubuntu theme sites yet, does anyone know? google's not turning up anything for me
[03:05] <thoreauputic> newbeee: search for gnome themes :)
[03:06] <Quest-Master> god yes.
[03:06] <Quest-Master> tritium.. a legend ;)
[03:06] <tritium> It worked?
[03:06] <Quest-Master> Yeah :D
[03:06] <tritium> Excellent.
[03:06] <lev> stunned: i installed gdesklets, how do i use it?
[03:06] <Quest-Master> :D
[03:06] <thoreauputic> newbeee: and look in synaptic for gtk-engines and gtk-themes-extras
[03:07] <stuNNed> lev, check the docs, there is info there, i don't use it myself, sorry
[03:07] <tritium> Quest-Master: now the package you over-wrote is broken, so be sure to remove the stuff you don't want, and reinstall what you do want.
[03:07] <lev> nevermind, i found it in the menu, thank you very mcuh!
[03:08] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[03:08] <rattboi> well, dvd seems to be working, but it's dropping a lot of frames
[03:08] <Quest-Master> I'm going to remove mplayer now.
[03:08] <newbeee> thoreauputic: thank you
[03:08] <Quest-Master> yay.
[03:08] <thoreauputic> newbeee: you're welcome :)
[03:08] <tritium> libmp3lame0 is broken for you, I believe
[03:09] <Quest-Master> Should I reinstall it?
[03:09] <tritium> Yes.  Anytime you force things, be really careful to what you're doing, and quickly fix it up.
[03:10] <tritium> That was poor grammar on my part, but you get the idea.
[03:10] <Quest-Master> Yeah, hehe.
[03:10] <Marble2> Would someone mind helping me set up lilo?
[03:10] <ELSprime> hello - new guy here. I am trying to get the newest version of Firefox to  install -- get the dreaded " no such file as libgtk-x11-2.0.so       Anyone solved this one yet?
[03:10] <Quest-Master> Should I force a reinstall?
[03:10] <Quest-Master> --reinstall
[03:11] <tritium> Yes, good!
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Did it anyhow :)
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Ack.
[03:11] <Marble2> anyone?
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Flood time..
[03:11] <Quest-Master> /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Ack
[03:11] <Quest-Master> XD
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Preconfiguring packages ...
[03:11] <Quest-Master> (Reading database ... 68758 files and directories currently installed.)
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Preparing to replace libmp3lame0 3.96.1-0.1 (using .../libmp3lame0_3.96.1-0.1_i386.deb) ...
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Unpacking replacement libmp3lame0 ...
[03:11] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libmp3lame0_3.96.1-0.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[03:11] <Quest-Master>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0', which is also in package liblame0
[03:11] <Quest-Master> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:11] <Quest-Master>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libmp3lame0_3.96.1-0.1_i386.deb
[03:11] <Quest-Master> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Hopefully I'm not killing anyone. :o
[03:12] <tritium> Quest-Master: you forgot to remove liblame0
[03:12] <Quest-Master> Oh, remove then install?
[03:12] <tritium> Remove mplayer and all the dependencies that it brought in that caused the mess.
[03:12] <Quest-Master> Ok.
[03:12] <Quest-Master> Never using mplayer again, hehe. Time to stick with Totem.
[03:12] <tritium> hehe
[03:13] <Quest-Master> Gah.
[03:13] <ELSprime> hello -- anyone out there?
[03:13] <rattboi> ok, DVD DMA wasn't on
[03:13] <Quest-Master> I uninstalled it then tried installing it again and it's giving me the same error I just flooded
[03:13] <rattboi> I used hdparm to set it, but how do I set it on boot?
[03:13] <Quest-Master> ELSprime: Are you building from source?
[03:14] <ELSprime> nope -- firefox-installer from Mozilla
[03:14] <Quest-Master> Oh.
[03:14] <Quest-Master> Download these packages through apt-get
[03:14] <rattboi> that's strange, eh?
[03:14] <rattboi> he should have all the libs for firefox-installer
[03:15] <ELSprime> that's what I thought, too
[03:15] <Quest-Master> sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0
[03:15] <lev> I have a question
[03:15] <lev> Where can i see my other partitioned disks at?
[03:15] <tritium> Quest-Master: I'm going to have to get going.  I think you're on the right track.
[03:16] <Quest-Master> tritium: I have no idea where to go from, but see ya. :(
[03:16] <Quest-Master> Thanks.
[03:16] <rattboi> ok, can someone tell me how to set my dvd dma settings at boottime?
[03:16] <lev> i have got a 30gb fat32 partition so i can share files between windows and linux, but i cant seem to find it on here.
[03:16] <rattboi> something to add to fstab or something else?
[03:17] <Quest-Master> lev: You need to mount it.
[03:17] <lev> how do i do that?
[03:17] <tritium> Quest-Master: go ahead and msg me and paste your last command/error
[03:17] <thoreauputic> lev: or look here >>  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[03:18] <rattboi> ok, xine just died and I can't kill it
[03:18] <thoreauputic> rattboi: you mean it froze, or crashed and disappeared?
[03:18] <tritium> Quest-Master: I'll try to help you in the next few minutes
[03:19] <rattboi> froze
[03:19] <rattboi> I did ps -A, got the job # and did kill #, but nothing happened
[03:19] <thoreauputic> rattboi: if it froze, try opening a terminal and typing "xkill" without the quotes
[03:19] <rattboi> this has happened once before and I know a logout fixes it, but what else?
[03:19] <rattboi> no xkill
[03:19] <rattboi> tried that
[03:19] <thoreauputic> then zap with mouse :/
[03:19] <thoreauputic> ah ok
[03:20] <thoreauputic> time for kill -9
[03:20] <rattboi> kill -9?
[03:20] <thoreauputic> or sudo killall xine
[03:20] <thoreauputic> kill -9 pid number
[03:21] <Stuttergart> any gotchas for installing with root on LVM?
[03:21] <rattboi> killall didn't work, but kill -9 did
[03:21] <thoreauputic> like kill -9 `pidof xine`
[03:21] <tritium> Quest-Master: still there?
[03:21] <Stuttergart> It don't see much on the lists or forums about this.
[03:21] <thoreauputic> rattboi: aha :)
[03:21] <Marble2> would someone mind helping me with setting up lilo?
[03:23] <rattboi> hmm, died again
[03:23] <rattboi> I wonder why
[03:23] <rattboi> it's running really smooth until I touch it
[03:24] <Marble2> ugh
[03:24] <thoreauputic> rattboi: try running ps auxf     to see a tree of processes, and kill the parents if they exist
[03:24] <Quest-Master> tritium: Yeah, sorry, I was afk
[03:24] <Marble2> i need help with lilo :(
[03:24] <aoulton> Ubuntu Newb Question : I installed Ubuntu over a dual-boot Mandrake 10.1 / WinXP setup and Grub seems to have screwed up a lot.  I'm been relatively comfortable with LILO in the past but CFDISK is showing me some time "seperating" partitions between my 3 primary ones.
[03:24] <Quest-Master> I'll msg you the error I got when trying to reinstall libmp3lame0
[03:24] <thoreauputic> Marble2: what's the issue?
[03:24] <tritium> okay
[03:24] <aoulton> And the option to boot into Windows does not work, leaving that setup stranded
[03:24] <Marble2> thoreauputic: well, I don't exactly know how to set it up
[03:25] <Marble2> i just want to set it so whenever I boot, it gives me the options to boot to windows or linux
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Marble2: Ubuntu uses grub by default - why are you using lilo?
[03:25] <Marble2> grub failed on install
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:25] <Quest-Master> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[03:25] <Quest-Master>   libmp3lame0
[03:25] <Quest-Master> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 10 not upgraded.
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Need to get 0B/310kB of archives.
[03:25] <Quest-Master> After unpacking 500kB of additional disk space will be used.
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Preconfiguring packages ...
[03:25] <Quest-Master> (Reading database ... 68748 files and directories currently installed.)
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Unpacking libmp3lame0 (from .../libmp3lame0_3.96.1-0.1_i386.deb) ...
[03:25] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libmp3lame0_3.96.1-0.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[03:25] <Quest-Master>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0', which is also in package liblame0
[03:25] <Quest-Master> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:25] <Quest-Master>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libmp3lame0_3.96.1-0.1_i386.deb
[03:26] <Quest-Master> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:26] <Quest-Master> Stupid XChat.
[03:26] <Marble2> erm spam
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: please stop flooding mate!
[03:26] <Quest-Master> I was trying to msg it to tritium
[03:26] <Marble2> thoreauputic, grub install failed
[03:26] <Quest-Master> XChat tripped up, really sorry
[03:26] <Marble2> so it installed lilo
[03:26] <net> i asm installing java with synaptic, and i am going through the "end user agreement", i paged down to the end but ni cant accept?
[03:26] <padlefot> hmm
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Marble2: have you looked at /etc/lilo.conf?
[03:26] <Quest-Master> Just type in y net
[03:26] <Marble2> yea
[03:26] <padlefot> whats the standard root passwd in ubuntu after install?
[03:27] <net> tried, just beeps?
[03:27] <padlefot> default
[03:27] <Marble2> but if I fuck this up, it will be really hard to fix won't it?
[03:27] <Marble2> padlefot, its random i belive
[03:27] <Marble2> sudo passwd root
[03:27] <thoreauputic> padlefot: there isn't one - use sudo with your user passwd
[03:27] <Marble2> to set it
[03:27] <Marble2> would you mind helping me set up my lilo.conf thoreauputic?
[03:27] <padlefot> thoreauputic, im sorry, im very new with linux, how do i do that?
[03:27] <net> actually, y just scrolls up?
[03:28] <Quest-Master> Type in yes then
[03:28] <net> got it, had to q, then y
[03:28] <thoreauputic> padlefot: type sudo <command>
[03:28] <net> must have been in vi?
[03:28] <scoon> Marble2, why do you need lilo over grub ?
[03:28] <Marble2> grub install failed
[03:28] <net> thanks everyone
[03:28] <Marble2> so it installed lilo
[03:28] <scoon> Marble2, how did grub install fail ?
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Marble2: you can pm me if you like
[03:28] <Marble2> uh i dunno scoon, it just did
[03:29] <scoon> Marble2, well there are limitations to lilo that grub does not have.
[03:29] <Guest94174> hi all. I can't find gstreamer-mad in mirrors, so what's the way to go to enable rhytmnbox mp3 using the ubuntu way?
[03:29] <Guest94174> google didn't help.
[03:29] <Lathiat> Guest94174: did you enable the universe repository?
[03:29] <Guest94174> i guess so
[03:29] <Lathiat> Guest94174: what do you mean you guess so? You either did or didn't
[03:30] <Guest94174> but I got to go by hand, my broadband is down.
[03:30] <net> Guest94174, google ubuntu wiki mp3
[03:30] <Guest94174> using this pc, and then trasferring by usb-pen to my laptop.
[03:30] <Guest94174> anyway, apt-cache search gstreamer|grep mad didn't help
[03:30] <Guest94174> Lathiat I check that, wait
[03:30] <padlefot> hmm.. thoreauputic, it says its unable to look up public/pickup
[03:31] <padlefot> should i run "sudo root" ?
[03:31] <padlefot> or sudo passwd root
[03:31] <Guest94174> no i didnt'
[03:31] <Lathiat> Guest94174: 10:30 < net> Guest94174, google ubuntu wiki mp3
[03:31] <Guest94174> but I can't apt from there
[03:31] <Guest94174> thanks.
[03:31] <scoon> Marble2, do you have an nForce or nForce2 chipset ?
[03:31] <padlefot> ah..
[03:31] <padlefot> nice
[03:31] <Guest94174> Oh i missed that, net
[03:31] <Guest94174> thanks
[03:32] <net> now i have java installed, very nice
[03:32] <Guest94174> ahah the wiki was full of help
[03:32] <Guest94174> thanks.
[03:33] <Guest94174> mhm
[03:33] <net> yeah, i find myself using that string often
[03:33] <Guest94174> I still can't find that file gstreamer0.8-mad manually.
[03:33] <Guest94174> (that's the main problem)
[03:33] <rattboi> can anyone help me to set my dvd dma at boot time?
[03:33] <net> why cant you apt?
[03:34] <Guest94174> because the apt and this pc are not connected
[03:34] <Guest94174> I'm gprssing from this windows host.
[03:34] <net> oh
[03:34] <Guest94174> and then trasferring with an usb pen.
[03:34] <Guest94174> what a pain in the ???.
[03:34] <net> well, i would download the .deb and install that way
[03:35] <Guest94174> i'm still trying to find that deb :)
[03:35] <Marble2> scon
[03:35] <Marble2> *scoon
[03:35] <Marble2> yes
[03:35] <Marble2> nForce 2
[03:35] <Marble2> scoon, can you help me out?
[03:36] <scoon> Marble2, certainly.
[03:36] <net> how do i tell which ver of ubuntu i have? uname -a doesnt tell me worty or hoary?
[03:37] <scoon> Marble2, are you using that as your video as well ?
[03:37] <Lathiat> net: cat /etc/lsb-release|grep CODENAME
[03:37] <Guest94174> maybe it would be faster knowing the section that deb resides
[03:38] <Guest94174> universe/g/ for example
[03:38] <Rene_S> Good evening, morning, or afternoon, pick one and consider yourself greeted :)
[03:38] <net> i am running warty, is that the newest?
[03:38] <Marble2> scoon, no
[03:38] <Guest94174> mh
[03:38] <Gwildor> net, hoary is latest
[03:39] <scoon> Marble2, so you have a video card then ?
[03:39] <net> is there an easy way to apt to it?
[03:39] <Gwildor> net, but warty is latest release, hoary is still testing
[03:39] <net> ahh
[03:39] <net> recommended yet or not/
[03:39] <net> ?
[03:39] <Gwildor> net, i use it, not too many problems,.....but a risk none the less
[03:39] <Marble2> scoon, yes
[03:39] <Marble2> i do
[03:40] <net> Gwildor, is there a way to upgrade via apt?  on the wiki?
[03:40] <scoon> Guest94174, check this out: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gstreamer&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[03:40] <Guest94174> warty was perfect to me, just the non-free nvidia was to old, and this leads to suspension problems.
[03:40] <Rene_S> We like to Live By the Seat of Our Pants here in #Ubuntu, Go Hoary
[03:40] <scoon> Marble2, do you have onboard video ?
[03:40] <Marble2> no i dont
[03:40] <net> do i have to install hoary via cd?
[03:40] <Gwildor> net, in your source.list you must change the word warty to hoary, then update, then dist-upgrade
[03:40] <arzajac> net:  The installer is buggered.  Install Warty and dist-upgrade.
[03:40] <Gwildor> net, read last post
[03:40] <net> thanks
[03:41] <calc> grr totem-xine doesn't work on amd64 :\
[03:41] <Guest94174> scoon that was impressing, but someone adviced me to don't come here saying I'd use debian packages :)
[03:41] <padlefot> how do i know what ethernet card i have, and how to modprob it?
[03:41] <calc> and totem-gstreamer doesn't play anything useful
[03:41] <Guest94174> s\impressing\interesting
[03:41] <padlefot> is there some kind of lists where i can find the name of the module?
[03:41] <Hrdwr_BoB> Guest94174: wrong slashes
[03:41] <padlefot> and my VGA card
[03:41] <Guest94174> calc same problem here :_
[03:41] <Hrdwr_BoB> Guest94174: you should also end with a slash
[03:41] <Hrdwr_BoB> otherwise it's an unterminated regular expression
[03:41] <scoon> Guest94174, well that is the silliest thing i have ever heard.  what is ubuntu, the repository nazii's
[03:41] <Marble2> scoon, for now I just want a basic lilo config
[03:41] <Marble2> I want to be able to boot back to windows
[03:42] <Hrdwr_BoB> scoon: it's a recommendation
[03:42] <Hrdwr_BoB> scoon: so that you don't break your system
[03:42] <Guest94174> Hrdwr_BoB yeah, it's late at night and i'm tring to calculate my bandwith as i run to and from my laptop with my 32mb usb pen
[03:42] <Guest94174> :)
[03:42] <Guest94174> s/impressing/interesting/
[03:42] <Guest94174> :)
[03:42] <scoon> Hrdwr_BoB, well that is a little different thant what Guest94174 says
[03:42] <Hrdwr_BoB> Guest94174: :) I'm just tryint to help
[03:43] <Guest94174> Hrdwr_BoB I was kidding :)
[03:43] <arzajac> padlefrot: discover ethernet
[03:43] <Marble2> scoon?
[03:43] <scoon> yes Marble2
[03:43] <Marble2> can you help me just make a basic lilo config?
[03:43] <Guest94174> seriously, I just thoght you'll kill me if I'd tell 'I could use the debian package'
[03:43] <Marble2> i just want to be able to boot back to windows
[03:43] <net> is dist-upgrade documented on the wiki?
[03:44] <scoon> Marble2,  it turns out that that chipset uses low memory for on board video.
[03:44] <Guest94174> Marble2 are you trying to revert to your old boot?
[03:44] <arzajac> padlefot: Open a console and type sudo discover ethernet
[03:44] <Marble2> Guest94174, yes of windows
[03:44] <scoon> even tho you have a vid card, it may still want that low mem area.  YOU MUST USE LILO
[03:44] <Rene_S> ?  If we couldnt use regular debian pkg's maybe they should take em out of there repositories
[03:44] <Marble2> ok
[03:44] <Marble2> can you help me with a basic lilo config?
[03:44] <Quest-Master> Aww, man
[03:44] <Guest94174> scoon maybe your link was more interesting than i thought at first...
[03:44] <Quest-Master> It looks like I have go back to Windows to use Allegro
[03:45] <Quest-Master> :(
[03:45] <scoon> Marble2, well i use grub.  but i would imagine that google would be a tremendous help
[03:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> Rene_S: I'm not sure what you're saying.. debian packages make up ubuntu
[03:45] <Guest94174> gst-plugins, that's where the bastard resides
[03:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> they are of course recompiled to suit ubuntu's environment
[03:45] <Rene_S> Just commenting in a sarc tone
[03:45] <Marble2> well yea, but i just really don't want to fuck this up
[03:45] <Marble2> anyone here use lilo that can help me?
[03:45] <Guest94174> found
[03:45] <calc> hmm i can play a divx but not an mp3, this is odd
[03:46] <Guest94174> scoon your link, besides it was a debian one, was illuminating
[03:46] <Guest94174> gst-plugins/gstreamer-mad_0.6.4-5.1_i386.deb
[03:46] <Rene_S> Hrdwr_BoB, Sometimes I type things that only make sense to my 2 other personalities.
[03:46] <scoon> Marble2, you won't fuck it up.
[03:46] <calc> Guest94174: hmm so i should try installing that? xine appears to try to handle it but dies
[03:46] <Guest94174> s/illuminating/maieutic/
[03:47] <scoon> Marble2, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LILO.html
[03:47] <Guest94174> calc maybe you need that file that would enable rhytmbox to play mp3
[03:47] <scoon> Marble2, that will do it.  if you swear you'll catch no fish.
[03:47] <Guest94174> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gst-plugins/gstreamer-mad_0.6.4-5.1_i386.deb
[03:47] <scoon> Marble2, so read carefully.
[03:47] <calc> Guest94174: ok
[03:47] <Guest94174> this one, I believe, or simply enable universe and apt
[03:47] <Marble2> ok
[03:48] <Guest94174> calc just enable universe and apt
[03:48] <calc> Guest94174: already have
[03:48] <Guest94174> so apt that and use rhytmbox
[03:50] <Guest94174> ok, sorry gotta run to the laptop to bring the deb there. Meanwhile you can calculate my bandwith, is a 32mb pen and the laptop is 3 meters away.
[03:50] <Hrdwr_BoB> why do you have to move to the laptop
[03:50] <Hrdwr_BoB> the beauty of laptops is that you can move them to you
[03:51] <calc> interesting, it won't play any of wav/ogg/mp3 on totem-xine, so far all it has played right is divx, heh
[03:52] <Guest94174> Hrdwr_BoB,no place to put it near here.
[03:52] <Guest94174> it's a complicate situation, you probably already realized that.
[03:52] <Guest94174> :)
[03:53] <Gehirn> ok two missing dependencies.
[03:53] <Symbolix> Im using a floppy to install ubuntu, and it states thath the kernels on the cd and the installation are incompatible. Someone recommended using smart boot manager, but that doesnt show the cd drive either. Now what?
[03:54] <Gehirn> the best thing, I assure you, it's browsing the entire ubuntu tree searching for files when installing the simplest of things.
[03:55] <calc> it appears the issue is when it is trying to play non-graphical media formats
[03:55] <arzajac> Symbolix:  You can't boot from cd?
[03:55] <Symbolix> arz: No, my cd drive is not recognized.
[03:55] <rattboi> does anyone use vlc?
[03:55] <arzajac> Symbolix:  Too old or too new?
[03:56] <Gehirn> or missing
[03:56] <calc> ah i found the problem :)
[03:56] <Symbolix> arzajac:I would guess to old. It actually recognizes it in the boot menu, but ti doesnt actually boot
[03:56] <calc> it was obvious once i made the previous conclusion
[03:56] <Symbolix> arzajac: I can browse it in DOS however
[03:56] <calc> the problem with totem is its visualization engine is broken on amd64
[03:56] <arzajac> Symbolix:  Ever try to boot Debian Woody?
[03:56] <calc> all the music works when its disabled
[03:57] <Matt|> hi peoples, does anyone know if anyone has written an evolution systray extension or something to a similar effect?
[03:57] <Symbolix> arzajac: Im unfamiliar with it, so no.
[03:57] <Symbolix> arzajac: I downloaded floppy images of Sarge, but that is where teh "incompatibility" comes up
[03:57] <Gehirn> I smell problems coming
[03:57] <arzajac> Symbolix:  cuz you can install the debian woody base and then upgrade to Ubuntu.  You cannot do this from sarge.  You may have an easier time with woody due to your older hardware...
[03:58] <arzajac> Symbolix:  You can even install from floppy...
[03:58] <Symbolix> arzajac: Well, I was thinking that I might be downloading the wrong images for the debian installation
[03:59] <Symbolix> arzajac: I was downloading the most up to date, but in the docs ont he ubunntu CD the date is about 3 months earlier
[04:00] <Symbolix> arzajac: i cant find any earlier images on the debian server
[04:00] <arzajac> Symbolix:  I see.  I can't remember if there are boot floppies made for the sarge d-i.  The Warty installer uses an old d-i.  Even before the pre rc2.  RC2 is the most recent...
[04:00] <arzajac> Symbolix:  You have to look in woody.
[04:01] <Symbolix> arzajac: looking now...
[04:01] <Stuttergart> anyone know how to make GRUB work with an LVM root install?
[04:03] <arzajac> Symbolix:  http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html
[04:03] <scotth> Stuttergart, what are you doing with LVM?
[04:04] <scotth> as in what kinda raid or what?
[04:04] <arzajac> Symbolix:  http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/rescue.bin
[04:05] <Stuttergart> I'm not doing any RAID. I just have my root on an LVM partition with a single volume in the group. GRUB and LILO both failed to configure during the install so I'm trying to set them up manually.
[04:05] <arzajac> Symbolix:  http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/root.bin
[04:05] <Stuttergart> set one of them up rather. Whichever I can get to work.
[04:06] <Quest-Master> ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 17875, errno = 0
[04:06] <scotth> Stuttergart, I don't get the complexity, but I have a system that does evms raid 0 and we just select one of the two base partitions to boot off of and pass root= the evms partition and it works... maybe try a similar trick with lvm
[04:06] <Quest-Master> ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 17914, errno = 0
[04:06] <Quest-Master> Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy
[04:06] <Quest-Master> ok
[04:06] <Quest-Master> These messages just popped up when I was in the terminal
[04:06] <Quest-Master> Does that mean something bad? :o
[04:06] <Stuttergart> is evms supported in Warty?
[04:07] <scotth> Stuttergart, in addition, I know for a fact that you can have /boot partitioned off and have it on a normal partition and boot via it and an initrd
[04:07] <scotth> I don't think it is... though I'm pretty sure sarge supports it now which means horay should have it
[04:08] <Stuttergart> scotth: I'm not even to that point yet. I need to get a 1 and 1.5 stage boot loader in place before I can even start thinking about that.
[04:08] <scotth> just remember if you partition off /boot your path should look like /boot/boot/grub
[04:08] <|QuaD|> I love the msdaa
[04:08] <scotth> Stuttergart, should be able to just install grub to the MBR of the disk and have things boot properly
[04:09] <verden01> has anyone on here used Libranet?
[04:09] <scotth> also unless you have a good reason to put your partition on an LVM partition I would fire off an install report to ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-users and go with standard partitioning
[04:09] <Quest-Master> How can I get rid of every single thing relating to KDE?
[04:09] <scotth> I think LVM is there to put things like /home onto
[04:09] <Quest-Master> Without having to manually remove every single individual one of course
[04:09] <Stuttergart> I need the flexibility of resizing and shuffling volumes.
[04:10] <scotth> ahhhh pretty good reason
[04:10] <Quest-Master> ?
[04:10] <sm> whew, that was scary
[04:10] <verden01> what program do i need to rip dvd's ?
[04:10] <sm> recovered my /dev from another partition
[04:11] <|QuaD|> stutter aptitude remove kde?
[04:11] <sm> is there a hoary install cd image anywhere ?
[04:11] <scotth> Quest-Master, remove kdelibs4 or some such... it should take out pretty much everything... also libqt whatever will get things going pretty fast
[04:11] <|QuaD|> sm: just do apt-get
[04:11] <sm> I have to download an install cd anyway.. I'd rather avoid the time consuming additional upgrade
[04:12] <scotth> Stuttergart, I'm pretty much at the limits of my LVM knowldge... maybe you should try ubuntu-users
[04:12] <sm> each time, possibly over dialup..
[04:12] <|QuaD|> whats lvm?
[04:12] <Quest-Master> There were a lot more libs installed though along with the kdelibs
[04:12] <sm> but maybe it doesn't exist yet ? I'm wondering where the ubuntu dev ftp server would be
[04:12] <scotth> |QuaD|, Linux Volume Manager
[04:12] <|QuaD|> Quest-Master: aptitude remove kde should do the trick
[04:12] <|QuaD|> scotth: oh
[04:12] <Gehirn> how fine, I used teh wrong version
[04:12] <Quest-Master> Didn't work
[04:13] <|QuaD|> what is the kde base package called?
[04:13] <Rene_S> kdebase
[04:13] <|QuaD|> so do aptitude remove kdebase
[04:13] <arzajac> Is it not logical volume manger?
[04:13] <scotth> Quest-Master, I'm pretty sure if you get rid of kdelibs and libqt everything else depends on those
[04:14] <scotth> arzajac, yeah that sounds better... whatever the name is its for managing partitions/volumes irrespective of disks and such...
[04:14] <|QuaD|> scotth: yeah, might also want kdebase though
[04:14] <|QuaD|> scotth: he should also make sure aptitude remove and not apt-get remove
[04:15] <|QuaD|> thne run deborphan to clean up the rest
[04:15] <lupus_> how do I trow an exception with python
[04:15] <sm> raise
[04:15] <Quest-Master> What the heck is this
[04:15] <Quest-Master> I keep on randomly getting these weird errors when I'm typing up stuff in the terminal
[04:16] <|QuaD|> Quest-Master: looks like somoen fubarred their system
[04:16] <Quest-Master> ?
[04:16] <Quest-Master> How?
[04:16] <verden01> has anyone done an upgrade with AMD 64?
[04:16] <calc> upgrade what?
[04:16] <|QuaD|> Quest-Master: who knows... i didn't touch it
[04:17] <Quest-Master> lol
[04:17] <calc> i just installed ubuntu on amd64 today works fine so far
[04:17] <verden01> their Ubuntu system
[04:17] <Quest-Master> How could someone "fubar" it?
[04:17] <calc> er ubuntu hoary i mean
[04:17] <verden01> with apt-get
[04:17] <calc> verden01: i used apt-get with it since then yea
[04:17] <verden01> calc my ubuntu 64 system runs great
[04:17] <|QuaD|> calc: i think he means apt-get update
[04:18] <scotth> lupus_, google for "Dive into Python"
[04:18] <|QuaD|> Quest-Master: do you know what fubar is?
[04:18] <Quest-Master> Err.. nope.
[04:18] <calc> |QuaD|: yea that works fine
[04:18] <|QuaD|> calc: thats what he was asking
[04:18] <|QuaD|> Quest-Master: stands for 'f*cked up beyond all recognition
[04:18] <|QuaD|> '
[04:18] <verden01> but i added more repositories to my sources.list
[04:19] <Quest-Master> noooo
[04:19] <calc> if the repos don't support amd64 they might cause it to give you an error
[04:19] <ben> helpppp!
[04:19] <verden01> there amd64 repositories
[04:19] <|QuaD|> ben: ??
[04:19] <ben> i need to print something right away, but printing isn't working and i can't transfer my files to a windows comp!
[04:19] <|QuaD|> ben: OH NO THATS HORRIBLE
[04:19] <ben> I KNO
[04:20] <verden01> could you mount your win partition?
[04:20] <ben> the printer settings dont "stay"
[04:20] <ben> whenever i change them, they just revert back to wat was already there
[04:20] <ben> so i can't change the username and password of a printer's properties
[04:20] <Quest-Master> What is signal #11?
[04:21] <ben> shit shit shit
[04:21] <verden01> calc can i pm you?
[04:21] <calc> man 7 signal
[04:21] <|QuaD|> ben: WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE
[04:21] <calc> verden01: sure
[04:21] <ben> and when i try to browse the windows network
[04:21] <Gehirn> night
[04:21] <calc>        SIGSEGV      11       Core    Invalid memory reference
[04:21] <ben> it says one folder on the side, but nothing shows up
[04:21] <|QuaD|> verden01: i reccomend talking here, in case anyone else has the same problem
[04:21] <|QuaD|> ben: I would love to help you, don't own a printer though
[04:21] <verden01> k
[04:21] <ben> what about just trying to get my windows network working?
[04:22] <ben> i'm gonna try a reboot :p
[04:22] <|QuaD|> ben: if you need it urgently, why not just email it to yourself?
[04:22] <ben> maybe that'll fix something
[04:22] <verden01> i was just going to ask calc his system config!
[04:22] <scotth> ben, what seems to be the problem with your windows network? I'm browsing against an win2k pdc right now with a samba 3 file server
[04:22] <ben> |QuaD|, smart cookie u are!
[04:22] <sm> there we go: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-1/
[04:23] <ben> scotth, well, i pretty much can't seem to look at any other computers on the network
[04:23] <ben> i can use the internet fine and stuff though
[04:23] <scotth> describe your network?
[04:23] <|QuaD|> ben: so email it to yourself
[04:23] <scotth> any firewalls?
[04:24] <ben> scotth, no, no, i have all that stuff set up, because it was working before
[04:24] <scotth> before?
[04:24] <calc> Quest-Master: signal 11 means either the app does bad things with pointers (usually) or your system has hardware issues
[04:24] <calc> Quest-Master: not sure if you saw what i pasted above
[04:24] <|QuaD|> wahoo.... win2k3server is installing in qemu... just taking FOREVER
[04:24] <Quest-Master> That doesn't sound good..
[04:25] <Quest-Master> Yeah, I saw it
[04:25] <ben> first my print fuctionality stopped working, in that it seems to be 'stuck' on samba username and password
[04:25] <ben> now my network browsing functionality seems to have stopped working aswell
[04:26] <scotth> ben, are you using warty?  do you know what changed if anything?  maybe a service pack got installed?  any security updates?
[04:26] <ben> i'm using hoary
[04:26] <ben> but it wasn't working before i upgraded to hoary
[04:26] <ben> the printer stuff
[04:26] <ben> so i thought upgrading to hoary might help
[04:26] <ben> but nope
[04:26] <ben> my main problem is that when i go into printer properties
[04:27] <ben> and under the network settings tab, or something like that
[04:27] <ben> i can change everything BUT the smb username and password
[04:27] <scotth> first question... can you ping the different machines your talking to?
[04:27] <ben> so everytime it tries to connect to the computer connected to the printer, it fails because of an incorect password
[04:27] <ben> scotth, how do i do that?
[04:28] <ben> just type 'ping' and the ip address into a terminal?
[04:28] <scotth> ping ip-address-of-machine-with-smb-share
[04:28] <ben> k
[04:28] <|QuaD|> ben: you shouldn't use hoary unless you know what you are doing
[04:28] <Rene_S> How in the heck do I make my Ubuntu machine see my wifes Window98 machine, she scammed the printer and I cant use it.
[04:29] <verden01> is hoary the next release?
[04:29] <scotth> verden01, yes
[04:29] <ben> uhhh, how many 64 byte packet things isn't gonna send me?
[04:29] <verden01> so its unstable?
[04:30] <scotth> verden01, but it breaks pretty frequently... right now its broken in several respects
[04:30] <ben> it's not that unstable
[04:30] <|QuaD|> do any of you read 2600?
[04:30] <Rene_S> I used to be able to share with it dunno why i cant anymore
[04:30] <scotth> ben, it sends till you CTRL-C it
[04:30] <scotth> all we want to see is that one gets through
[04:30] <ben> yeah, they got through
[04:31] <scotth> ben, and you can share between windows machines?
[04:31] <ben> scotth, yeah
[04:31] <scotth> do you have smbclient installed?
[04:31] <ben> when i go into nautilus and try to look at the windows shared computers, it just looks like it's loading stuff forever, and never stops
[04:31] <ben> yeah
[04:32] <ben> and the directories never show up
[04:32] <ben> i have this copying files dialog open, is there anyway to force quit it?
[04:33] <ben> it's been "preparing for copying" forever and wont stop
[04:33] <scotth> ummm... hit the X up at the top right?
[04:33] <ben> didn't work
[04:33] <ben> :p
[04:33] <ben> is there anyway to downgrade to warty?
[04:33] <Hrdwr_BoB> not really
[04:33] <ben> poo
[04:34] <verden01> can i apt-get and upgrade to hoary?
[04:34] <scotth> ben, smbclient -L <host_name_or_ip_of_server>
[04:34] <|QuaD|> verden01: no
[04:34] <scotth> hit enter as password dialog
[04:34] <scotth> verden01, you don't want to
[04:35] <|QuaD|> scotth: if he asked to ask how to do it.... he shouldn't be upgrading
[04:35] <scotth> verden01, stay away, madness this way lays
[04:35] <scotth> |QuaD|, I wasn't going to suggest it
[04:35] <|QuaD|> right
[04:35] <verden01> ok i'll take that advice
[04:35] <scotth> <--- is a grizled Debian unstable veteran of several years and its still broken for me
[04:35] <|QuaD|> verden01: warty is nice... stick with that
[04:35] <ben> Domain=[FAMILY]  OS=[Windows 5.1]  Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] 
[04:35] <ben>         Sharename       Type      Comment
[04:35] <ben>         ---------       ----      -------
[04:35] <ben>         IPC$            IPC       Remote IPC
[04:35] <ben>         print$          Disk      Printer Drivers
[04:35] <ben>         SharedDocs      Disk
[04:35] <ben>         Backup          Disk
[04:35] <ben>         ADMIN$          Disk      Remote Admin
[04:35] <ben>         C$              Disk      Default share
[04:36] <ben> session request to 192.168.1.102 failed (Called name not present)
[04:36] <scotth> ewww no!!! ben no pasting
[04:36] <ben> session request to 192 failed (Called name not present)
[04:36] <verden01> yeah it runs great on my AMD64 machine
[04:36] <ben> Domain=[FAMILY]  OS=[Windows 5.1]  Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] 
[04:36] <ben>         Server               Comment
[04:36] <|QuaD|> scotth: yeah... i used sid for a while (and i loved it) and this is a lot more unstable
[04:36] <ben>         ---------            -------
[04:36] <ben>         Workgroup            Master
[04:36] <ben>         ---------            -------
[04:36] <ben> uhoh
[04:36] <ben> lol
[04:36] <ben> scotth, oops
[04:36] <ben> where do i paste it then?
[04:36] <scotth> ben, read the motd
[04:36] <|QuaD|> ben: pastebin?
[04:36] <ben> url?
[04:36] <scotth> not the motd, the whatever its called at the top
[04:36] <|QuaD|> ben: you get 6 spankings
[04:36] <|QuaD|> scotth: (topic)
[04:36] <|QuaD|> ben: /topic
[04:36] <scotth> |QuaD|, thanks
[04:37] <|QuaD|> scotth: do you still run debian at all?
[04:37] <scotth> yup, on the server
[04:37] <scotth> wouldn't give it up for the world
[04:37] <scotth> what about yourself?
[04:37] <ben> paste.plone.org doesn't work
[04:37] <ben> ugh
[04:37] <Xenguy> ben: you can use #flood
[04:38] <Xenguy> too
[04:38] <|QuaD|> i only have one machine, ran debian unstable for like 2.5 years.... begining of november decided to try suse
[04:38] <|QuaD|> it was on their for 2 days, i decided i hated it, couldn't live with it any longer
[04:38] <|QuaD|> and here i am now :)
[04:38] <scotth> |QuaD|, I work for the csee department at West Virginia University, its all debian here
[04:38] <ben> scotth, so...
[04:38] <ben> what's next?
[04:38] <|QuaD|> scotth: what do you do there/
[04:39] <Xenguy> scotth: BOFH? ;-)
[04:39] <scotth> ben, paste it intl #flood
[04:39] <|QuaD|> scotth: i am a cse/ee major at BU
[04:39] <|QuaD|> graduating in ma
[04:39] <|QuaD|> y
[04:39] <ben> but it's right in there
[04:39] <scotth> Xenguy, you got me, I'm the sys-admin here... well one of them
[04:39] <Xenguy> hehe
[04:39] <|QuaD|> scotth: are you looking to employ a new grad?????
[04:40] <ben> scotth, there, i pasted it
[04:40] <scotth> |QuaD|, I'm not a in charge of hireing, but I do know we are looking for a new full time position
[04:40] <|QuaD|> scotth: if you are confortable sharing, what is the pay like for what you are looking for?
[04:41] <|QuaD|> and how experienced is necessary?
[04:41] <scotth> ben, post the command you used
[04:41] <rattboi> hey, has anyone done bootsplash?
[04:41] <ben> smbclient -L 192.168.1.102
[04:42] <scotth> |QuaD|, I have no clue... I'm a student worker... they are basically looking for a position to replace me and another student worker who is graduating this month... I hear they pay pretty well though...
[04:42] <rattboi> yo |QuaD|
[04:42] <ben> ...
[04:42] <scotth> ben, I'm looking at your output
[04:42] <ben> k
[04:42] <|QuaD|> hey rattboi
[04:43] <scoon> scotth, that made me laff
[04:43] <|QuaD|> scotth: negative is living in WV :) i am a big city man
[04:43] <|QuaD|> scotth: pretty well as in 40k? 50k? 60k?
[04:43] <scotth> scoon, why laugh?
[04:43] <scoon> scotth, -> "ben, I'm looking at your output" I almost thought I was in some weird SINGLES room.
[04:44] <ben> lol
[04:44] <scoon> damn chatter bots.
[04:44] <scotth> |QuaD|, I have no clue... but I know my boss goes out and burns 1k on boos regularly on weekends... so he must be banking some serious stuff... plus my other boss is "faculty equivalent" and all he has is a bs
[04:44] <scoon> perving up again.
[04:44] <|QuaD|> lol
[04:44] <scotth> scoon, yeah something like that
[04:45] <scoon> ha-ha
[04:45] <scoon> :O
[04:45] <|QuaD|> scotth: if you don't mind doing some research, it would be greatly appreciate, also curious how much experience is necessary
[04:45] <scotth> ben, smbclient -U <user-name> -L <server> and enter in your password
[04:45] <scotth> |QuaD|, they are going to start advertising it soon with all the relavent specs... let me see if I can find the website
[04:46] <lupus_> can someone tell me with what I can generate a changelog from cvs commits info
[04:46] <ben> scotth, gave me the same thing as before
[04:46] <|QuaD|> scotth: :)
[04:47] <ben> username of an admin on the windows comp, right? and the password is the password to that username?
[04:47] <|QuaD|> rattboi: do you know if kremlyn ever got his monitors working?
[04:48] <wasabi> wow this ubuntu live cd is slick
[04:48] <scotth> ben, yeah
[04:48] <ben> nope, gives me the same thing
[04:48] <scotth> actually you want to use the username/password your trying to use on your ubuntu system...
[04:48] <|QuaD|> wasabi: if you like the live cd, you should try the real os:)
[04:49] <wasabi> um. i have.
[04:49] <wasabi> THe licecd has a graphical boot up sequence
[04:49] <wasabi> live
[04:49] <ben> scotth, what do you mean?
[04:49] <ben> so the username and password of my ubuntu system?
[04:49] <scotth> nope
[04:49] <ben> ?
[04:50] <ben> i'm confused
[04:50] <scotth> your trying to do stuff from your ubuntu system on your smb shares... like access files and printers right? are you providing a password there?
[04:51] <ben> before i was just using the username and pass of an admin on the windows comp, and it was working for printer stuff
[04:51] <ben> but now it isn't
[04:51] <rattboi> can anyone point me to something about getting bootsplash to work?
[04:51] <ben> and no, i don't have the smb shares password protected
[04:51] <ben> i don't believe
[04:51] <scotth> but the admin username/password gets all that info from the smb server right?
[04:51] <scotth> hmmm... samba seems to be working then...
[04:51] <ben> i guess so
[04:52] <ben> oohh, is that why i can never edit the username password stuff for the printer properties?
[04:52] <ben> it gets it from the windows comp?
[04:52] <scotth> ben, can you paste the output again in #flood?
[04:53] <ben> there
[04:53] <ben> brb
[04:53] <ben> gonna see if there is a problem with printer sharing or something on the windows comp
[04:55] <scotth> ben, when you get back try smbclient -U ben -L <name of windows server>
[04:56] <scotth> |QuaD|, I can't seem to find out jobs posting site, Ill ask my boss tomorrow about it
[04:56] <|QuaD|> scotth: :) thanks, i'll be around
[04:57] <ben> back
[04:57] <scotth> |QuaD|, how familiar are you with debian?
[04:57] <ben> ok, i'll try that
[04:57] <scotth> ben, see above
[04:57] <|QuaD|> scotth: i am pretty familiar with it :)
[04:57] <|QuaD|> i have used it for 3 years
[04:57] <|QuaD|> just switched to this in november
[04:57] <verden01> Debian rocks
[04:57] <scotth> |QuaD|, any python/zope experience?
[04:58] <scotth> verden01, w00t
[04:58] <|QuaD|> scotth: nope :(
[04:58] <|QuaD|> php and perl
[04:58] <scotth> perl is good
[04:58] <|QuaD|> scotth: i can learn thouhg, i pick these up pretty fast
[04:58] <scotth> we have a lot of legacy crap on perl
[04:58] <|QuaD|> yeah... i am not the best with perl... i hold my own with it though
[04:58] <calamari_> hi
[04:58] <ben> scotth: yay, look wat it outputted
[04:59] <ben> brb
[04:59] <|QuaD|> scotth: as long as their is an o'reilly book, i can learn it
[04:59] <|QuaD|> fast
[04:59] <scotth> |QuaD|, for python I would suggest dive into python, I'm a python fanatic though... I love it to death
[05:00] <calamari_> I finally replaced grub with lilo, and now it doesn't finish booting :/ hehe.  Here is my error: VFS: Cannot open root device "301" or unknown-block(3,1).  (etc).  I'm seeing a lot on the net about this, but none if seems to be helping so I thought I'd ask here
[05:00] <verden01> does anyone know what program i would use to make a vcd or dvd from my handycam?
[05:00] <|QuaD|> scotth: not suggesting an o'reilly book??? heathen!!! jk.... the reason i use o'reilly is because I like that they are geared toward someone who knows how to program, just doesn't know the language nad needs to learn it
[05:00] <|QuaD|> scotth: if i learn python i will keep that in mind
[05:00] <calamari_> quad: I have python in a nutshell.  It seems decent
[05:01] <|QuaD|> its weird, people who like python, LOVE IT... but otherwise they usually don't use it
[05:01] <ben> back
[05:01] <|QuaD|> there is no middle ground
[05:01] <|QuaD|> with python
[05:01] <calamari_> it could use more code examples than it has, though
[05:01] <scotth> |QuaD|, what do you mean?
[05:01] <scotth> |QuaD|, I use it all the time
[05:01] <scotth> its fantastic
[05:02] <regeya> there's two classes of people: 1.) harcore python programmers, and 2.) people who think they need { and } or BEGIN and END
[05:02] <scotth> ben, that output looks better... but I can't see a printer share there
[05:02] <calamari_> if I want to write fast code, qbasic is the only way to go
[05:02] <|QuaD|> scotth: you either love it, or its not really useful
[05:02] <scotth> ben, your printer would look like  "ps711esb        Printer   HP LaserJet 2200"
[05:02] <ben> scotth, well i'm sure it's being shared, because i just checked
[05:02] <|QuaD|> if i want to write fast code, I write in 0's and 1's..... its easier
[05:02] <regeya> or people who think they need to be able to do something like for(a=0;a<32767;a++) { aslkjhaslkjhlsdjghlskj; ljfdhgkajg;a asdj; asdkjh ;adg kjhdasgkjsh; }
[05:02] <calamari_> that should have been "code fast" :)
[05:03] <|QuaD|> haha... i am a huge fan of php
[05:03] <ben> well, i g2g guys
[05:03] <|QuaD|> as i learn more and more php, i like it more and more
[05:03] <ben> thanks for you help scotth, maybe i'll see you another time
[05:03] <ben> bye
[05:04] <scotth> |QuaD|, I don't get what your saying... I just wrote a configuration utility for our automated installer and its maybe 10 lines of code for the central portion and everything else is plugins... its mad sweet
[05:04] <|QuaD|> though... it doesn't have the power of perl
[05:04] <|QuaD|> scotth: thats my point
[05:04] <regeya> python can be fast too.  python, like many other languages, has had cruft thrown onto it to make peoples' lives easier, so it's gotten some ugly things thrown in.
[05:04] <|QuaD|> scotth: most people don't use it, but the people who do LOVE IT
[05:04] <|QuaD|> they can't live without it
[05:04] <regeya> perl...perl reaffirmed my belief that I'm an idiot.
[05:04] <palle1> error matching hash 96e044024aa21086b2eb928e3498a45b
[05:04] <vsb> just now i installed ubunto in my machine but when i am logging in itsdirectly starts firefox and console. How shuld i remove it
[05:05] <vsb> my session-> startup programs is empty
[05:06] <regeya> I mean, I remember going to a local LUG and watching this guy write what looked like line noise.  I think I took notes and I'm still not sure how it worked, exactly.
[05:07] <vsb> regeya is it for me
[05:07] <|QuaD|> regeya: hehe :)
[05:07] <scotth> regeya, we have several custom mods to request-tracker2 and sympa here that I am responsible for taking care of and I can't make hids or tails of it... luckily I have obsoleted it all and we are moving on...
[05:08] <calamari_> hmm.. googled a few more things to try for my boot problem.. bbiafm from ubuntu hopefully
[05:08] <|QuaD|> installing win2k3 on qemu is a long process
[05:09] <|QuaD|> win2k3 gives you an estimated complete time, it has been stuck on 24 for like 45 minutes
[05:09] <|QuaD|> lol
[05:09] <|QuaD|> probably longer
[05:09] <|QuaD|> was at 30 minutes 2 hours ago
[05:10] <|QuaD|> and its funny cuz qemu's motto is 'qemu is a fast processor emulator'
[05:10] <scotth> |QuaD|, why are you doing that exactly?
[05:11] <|QuaD|> scotth: i want to see what win2k3 is like? i have a project that needs .dot and i want to use visual studio (if possible), and also to try out qemu because i want to start playing around with gnu hurd
[05:11] <|QuaD|> and lastly, trillian 3 looks nice and i want to try it
[05:11] <Tsjoklat> arvo all
[05:12] <scotth> |QuaD|, you are insane... installing win2k3 on qemu and wanting to play with the hurd... have you checked one of your fine local insane assylums? I hear they are beautiful this time of year
[05:12] <|QuaD|> scotth: if you have a pc for me to install them on... let me know (they can be remote), i don't have any other options!
[05:14] <scotth> we have hardware out the anus... but there is no way windows is getting on any of it... its like having your children beaten by a stranger from washington
[05:14] <|QuaD|> scotth: we can work with hurd
[05:14] <|QuaD|> lol
[05:16] <scotth> I know the hurd runs nicely on bochs
[05:16] <|QuaD|> scotth: plus i get soo much from msft for free through the msdaa that i want to try it all out and remind myself why i chose linux
[05:17] <scotth> one of my friends used to run it and hack on it... he was insane....
[05:17] <|QuaD|> scotth: yeah
[05:17] <cbpye_> I think I've got a memory leak/
[05:17] <|QuaD|> scotth: i want to start playing with a microkernel
[05:17] <scotth> cbpye, I know I have a memory leak... I can't remember last night
[05:17] <|QuaD|> cbpye: uh oh
[05:17] <cbpye_> 2 GB of ram over here, 1 GB is free, and all I'm running is GNOME, XMMS, X-chat, and gkrellm, and whatever else is in the BG.
[05:17] <moquist> vsb: I'm new to ubuntu myself, so I don't have your answer.  but what's in your ~/.gnome2/session file?
[05:17] <cbpye_> 115 procs
[05:17] <scotth> |QuaD|, I want to as well... Ive been looking at the L4 spec
[05:18] <|QuaD|> cbpye: run top
[05:18] <|QuaD|> find out what is hogging it
[05:18] <|QuaD|> or do a ps aux
[05:18] <scotth> cbpye, actually run free -m
[05:18] <|QuaD|> scotth: i assumed he knows that
[05:18] <|QuaD|> scotth: l4?
[05:18] <scotth> youll notice a lot of buffers and cache taking up that space
[05:18] <cbpye_> cbpye@chernobyl3:~ $ free -m
[05:18] <cbpye_>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[05:18] <cbpye_> Mem:          2027       1075        952          0          4         74
[05:18] <cbpye_> -/+ buffers/cache:        995       1032
[05:18] <cbpye_> Swap:          549          4        544
[05:19] <scotth> cbpye, ewww no paste... use #flood next time
[05:19] <|QuaD|> that looks right
[05:19] <cbpye_> sorry
[05:19] <cbpye_> looks right?
[05:19] <|QuaD|> now go find out what is using memory
[05:20] <|QuaD|> cbpye: heh... i don't know why i wrote that
[05:20] <cbpye_> QuaD: join #flood
[05:20] <|QuaD|> i need $$ to build a new computer
[05:20] <|QuaD|> cbpye: use a pastebin
[05:22] <cbpye_> Scare Tactics is great.
[05:22] <|QuaD|> ?
[05:22] <cbpye_> you know, the corny show on sci-fi
[05:22] <cbpye_> but that's off-topic
[05:22] <|QuaD|> my qemu win2k3 installation is STILL at 24minutes :(
[05:22] <|QuaD|> cbpye: nope, i don't have a tv :(
[05:23] <|QuaD|> sold it so that I could eat this month
[05:23] <|QuaD|> money is tight
[05:23] <scotth> |QuaD|, its the l4 micro kernel spec... l4ka.org or somesuch
[05:24] <|QuaD|> scotth: is it used for any os's?
[05:24] <cbpye_> Quad: http://pastebin.com/126696
[05:24] <scotth> |QuaD|, no os's yet... its mainly a research kernel so far... but hurd is planning to move to it one day... its super fast from what I hear
[05:25] <|QuaD|> scotth: don't theyhave their mach kernel?
[05:25] <|QuaD|> cbpye: why am i looking at this?
[05:26] <cbpye_> because I have no clue whatsoever where I can find out what's using how much RAM.
[05:27] <scotth> |QuaD|, mach is slow from what I hear... too much crap they don't need... the biggest blockage as far as the switch goes is that ipc with mach is asyncronous while l4 is syncronous... but l4's ipc is so fast that it doesn't matter that its syncronous... or thats the thought
[05:28] <|QuaD|> scotth: interesting... i just think microkernels are a nice idea
[05:28] <cbpye_> the only thing using a ton of ram there is...
[05:28] <scotth> |QuaD|, they are a nice idea
[05:29] <cbpye_> root      4161  3.1  1.7 171872 36808 ?      RL   16:23  13:23 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
[05:29] <|QuaD|> scotth: one day we will be using them
[05:29] <scotth> I hope so
[05:31] <scotth> maybe I should code up an l4 in python... that should be nice and easy.... muahah world domination is at hand
[05:32] <|QuaD|>  heh.... i want to start a mozilla thunderbird project, but i don't know that uml crap
[05:32] <scotth> uml?
[05:32] <|QuaD|> i want to make an extension
[05:32] <|QuaD|> and you have to write them in some uml crap
[05:35] <calamari_> re's
[05:36] <toresbe> Argh, I suck at programming
[05:36] <calamari_> still no go.  Did notice that lilo defaulted to my old 386 kernel rather than the new k7 kernel, but that change didn't seem to matter.
[05:36] <scotth> |QuaD|, thats crappy
[05:36] <scotth> why can't you do it in the dom?
[05:36] <toresbe> I'm writing this paper tape archival system and it ust refuses top work
[05:37] <calamari_> any ideas how I can fix: Cannot open root device "301"?
[05:37] <calamari_> as I understand it, 301 means /dev/hda1
[05:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> correct
[05:38] <|QuaD|> scotth: no idea
[05:38] <neopark> ok i am hav'n some problems getting ubuntu installed on my power mac 7200, 250mhz 256mb ram (2) 1gb scsi drives and scsi cd rom, i have installed bootX but it will not let me select ram disk and i could use some help w/ this install, i have already read all the info avail on the ubuntu web site.
[05:38] <calamari_> my old debian 3.0 cd is able to get me to a login prompt (console) when I specify rescue root=/dev/hda1, so I know I'm not completely broken down
[05:38] <|QuaD|> and to make it worse, the api for what i want to integrate is in java
[05:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> neopark: 1gb isn't enough to install ubuntu
[05:38] <|QuaD|> and the company isn't that good at giving me access to it
[05:39] <scotth> |QuaD|, what is "it"?
[05:39] <calamari_> I might give up on lilo and go back to grub, but I really liked lilo's way of getting to the boot menu via shift
[05:40] <|QuaD|> heh... my cellphone
[05:40] <|QuaD|> i have a danger sidekick 2
[05:41] <|QuaD|> and the reason i want thunderbird over kmail or evolution is because i want it to be easily ported to many platforms
[05:43] <scotth> |QuaD|, cool idea, but better to write an app in the dom cause supposedly one day it won't even be tied to browser
[05:44] <|QuaD|> tied to browser?
[05:44] <scotth> anyway... late... I'm out... Ill try to get that info to you tomorrow |QuaD|
[05:45] <|QuaD|> alright thanks :)
[05:50] <Gmail> OMG firefox closed it self
[05:51] <Gmail> and /home umount ed
[05:51] <Gmail> AHHHHHH
[05:51] <|QuaD|> Gmail: warty?
[05:52] <Gmail> hoary
[05:52] <|QuaD|> Gmail: when i ran warty it would do that occasionally
[05:52] <Gmail> |QuaD|: this never happened before
[05:53] <Gmail> and i can't even open gnome-terminal
[05:53] <|QuaD|> oh wow... that stinks
[05:53] <Gmail> and i check and saw that /home is umount from tsy1
[05:54] <Gmail> *tty1
[05:55] <Gmail> well i remounted it
[05:55] <Gmail> and all works
[05:56] <Gmail> OMG it umount AGAIN
[05:58] <|QuaD|> lol
[05:58] <Gmail> _HolyGod: please change your nick
[05:58] <|QuaD|> haha... why did you tell him to change his nick?
[05:59] <thoreauputic> I guess some people would find that nick offensive
[06:06] <lev> Can someone help me? I still cant get my sound to work..
[06:07] <moquist> lev: what's the problem?
[06:07] <moquist> lev: how are you testing (which application) and what is the error message?
[06:08] <lev> There is no error it just does not work lol
[06:08] <lev> My sound is not workin
[06:08] <lev> someone tried to help me yesterday but it is still not workin
[06:08] <lev> i have a Dell inspiron 8600.
[06:08] <lev> On the ubuntu site is said something about adding acpi_...... to some file
[06:09] <moquist> lev: yeah, but what sound are you expecting to hear that you are not hearing?  are you using totem?  xmms?  mplayer?
[06:09] <lev> The login scren sound
[06:09] <lev> any sound.
[06:09] <lev> nothing is workin
[06:09] <wasabi> How does Ubuntu's initrd know to load a certain scsi driver?
[06:09] <wasabi> And how can I change it?
[06:10] <moquist> lev: do you know what sound card you have? ('lspci' will tell you if you don't know)
[06:10] <lev> its Ac '97
[06:10] <swab___> When I plug in my ipod it gets mounted automatically, but I want gtkpod to handle loading the correct modules and mounting the device, how do i prevent the automounting?  I did edit my fstab to noauto.
[06:11] <lev> intel corp.
[06:11] <moquist> lev: do you know for sure that the ac97 module is loaded?
[06:11] <Hrdwr_BoB> swab___: it's hotplug that does that
[06:12] <lev> How do i check?
[06:12] <moquist> lev: lsmod [| grep ac97 if you want] 
[06:12] <swab___> Hrdwr_BoB: Any idea how to stop hotplug from mounting the device? I still want it to mount my other USB drives
[06:13] <lev> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_intel8x0
[06:13] <lev> snd                    50660  9 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[06:14] <lev> i have no idea what i am looking for.
[06:14] <moquist> lev: that looks right, I think.
[06:14] <calamari_> does anyone know how I can get grub reinstalled?  I tried lilo and it messed up my boot.
[06:14] <lev> So why isnt it working? :(
[06:14] <moquist> lev: do you know that the volume is turned up?
[06:14] <lev> Oh shoot... HAHAHAHA
[06:14] <lev> Um..
[06:14] <lev> i installed aumix
[06:15] <lev> but it wont let me adjust the system volume.
[06:15] <thoreauputic> lev: did you run alsaconf ?
[06:15] <lev> no whats that?
[06:15] <moquist> lev: might be a perms problem then.  but try "Applications --> Multimedia --> Volume Control" first.
[06:16] <lev> " no mixer found.
[06:16] <moquist> lev: what said that?  alsaconf or Vol Cotrol?
[06:16] <lev> vol control
[06:16] <lev> what is alsaconfig?
[06:17] <moquist> lev: ls -l /dev/mixer /dev/dsp /dev/snd/
[06:17] <moquist> lev: i'm not sure.  I don't have it in my path...
[06:17] <moquist> lev: you might want to query me privately to past the results of the ls.  it'll be kinda ugly for here.
[06:17] <lev> ok
[06:17] <lev> thanks for your helo BTW.
[06:18] <lev> help*
[06:18] <moquist> np
[06:18] <Muskrat> Ubuntu vs. Gentoo, why or why not?
[06:19] <toresbe> Muskrat: Ubuntu. Gentoo took me AGES to set up and  I'm a Linux geek.
[06:19] <melazyboy> has fglrx been fixed to work with xorg?
[06:19] <calamari_> does anyone know how I can get grub reinstalled?  I tried lilo and it messed up my boot.
[06:19] <Muskrat> aye, but what about usability
[06:19] <sm> grub-install
[06:19] <toresbe> calamari_: If memory serves grub-install device
[06:20] <calamari_> sm, toresbe: thanks
[06:20] <moquist> toresbe: i dunno yet.  i'm a gentooer who just installed ubuntu today.  i'm new to debian and gnome as well, but I'm getting along ok so far.
[06:20] <toresbe> Muskrat: Ubuntu is far easier to use.
[06:20] <toresbe> Muskrat: Far, far, far, *FAR* easier
[06:20] <Muskrat> lol
[06:21] <moquist> newbie question: can anybody tell me a quick way to check out my kernel config?  /proc/config.gz doesn't seem to exist, and I don't have my (generic ubuntu) kernel sources installed.  I'd like to look at the default Ubuntu kernel config...
[06:21] <toresbe> moquist: There shoiuld be a Config* file in /boot
[06:21] <melazyboy> moquist, apt-get install kernel-tree, vim /etc/sources/linux/.config
[06:22] <moquist> toresbe: sorry, my response to the gentoo/ubuntu question was intended for Muskrat.  just typed the wrong nick.
[06:22] <moquist> toresbe, melazyboy: thx
[06:24] <moquist> Muskrat: which part of usability are you asking about?  administration?
[06:24] <moquist> toresbe: no /boot/Config* here
[06:25] <rattboi> what's the difference of apt-get and aptitude?
[06:25] <moquist> toresbe: nm, it's /boot/config*
[06:25] <moquist> rattboi: curses?
[06:29] <rattboi> has anyone tried bootsplash on ubuntu?
[06:33] <sm> yes
[06:33] <sm> it's not really working for me
[06:33] <rattboi> sm, you have?
[06:33] <toresbe> rattboi: apt-get is a text-only system/. Aptitude is a user-friendly package browser for consoles, and synaptic is a graphiucal one
[06:33] <rattboi> oh
[06:33] <rattboi> yeah, I use apt-get and synaptic
[06:34] <rattboi> I saw some people using aptitude, just didn't know what it was
[06:34] <toresbe> rattboi: They are all front-ends to dpkg. Apologies for typos, I have a cut on my finger
[06:34] <rattboi> that's cool
[06:34] <rattboi> just ran aptitude
[06:34] <rattboi> ...I think I'll stick with synaptic when I can
[06:35] <toresbe> I prefer using juyst apt-cache search, apt-cache show and apt-get
[06:36] <rattboi> well, one of the main reasons I got ubuntu is because it looks good
[06:36] <rattboi> don't want to spend all my time at console, or I'd just install DSL or something
[06:36] <rattboi> so nobody got bootsplash to work?
[06:37] <rattboi> I think I want bootsplash and I need to get captive-ntfs working and I'm done messing with my system for a while
[06:37] <melazyboy> ...
[06:37] <melazyboy> dear god
[06:37] <melazyboy> don't want to spend all my time at console, or I'd just
[06:37] <melazyboy>                  install DSL or something
[06:38] <moquist> heh; my primary task thus far in ubuntu has been to make the good-looking things go away.  i like ion2 and xterm, and that's it.  console is my friend...
[06:38] <netsplit> Have you a slow computer moquist?
[06:38] <rattboi> netsplit: I do, but I don't care :P
[06:38] <melazyboy> moquist: Why not just use debian net install, starts you off with almost nothing
[06:39] <melazyboy> moquist: switch to the ubuntu repository (for what ever reason you would want to do that that)
[06:39] <melazyboy> moquist:
[06:39] <moquist> melazyboy: 'cuz I want to explore ubuntu, not debian.  :)
[06:39] <redhedgehog> I need help with configuring the rate on my wireless card. Anybody here know how I can switch from 2Mb/s to 11Mb/s?
[06:40] <moquist> melazyboy: I probably won't really get rid of all the pretties.  i might try gnome+ion2 if I can make them play ok together.  (i haven't used any desktop env for a couple years now)
[06:40] <rattboi> what's ion2?
[06:42] <netsplit> Probably some kind of window manager?
[06:42] <moquist> rattboi: ion2 is a window manager that assumes a different type of windowing model.
[06:43] <rattboi> wait, I think I know it
[06:43] <netsplit> Keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows (v2)
[06:43] <moquist> rattboi: the premise (from my perspective, anyway) is that you don't want any wasted space on your desktop - i.e., why is there a need for a background?
[06:43] <rattboi> because i had that same idea before
[06:43] <netsplit> I tried ratpoison or something like that once.
[06:43] <rattboi> I was like "it'd be cool if" and there was ion2
[06:43] <moquist> netsplit: and the keyboard-friendliness is the other primary draw for me.  if I can not use my mouse, that's wonderful.
[06:43] <rattboi> :P
[06:43] <netsplit> But never got to learning all the keyboard bindings.
[06:44] <moquist> or rather, not need to use my mouse.
[06:44] <rattboi> of course, this is when I was using windows, so I didn't really research it much
[06:44] <moquist> rattboi: from the Ion project Manifesto: "Usability simply does not equal low learning curve".  I agree wholeheartedly.
[06:45] <moquist> rattboi: The manifesto is worth reading, and it's here: http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/
[06:45] <jemfinch> am I missing something, or is there no Plone package for Ubuntu?
[06:46] <rattboi> what's Plone?
[06:46] <rattboi> I saw that yersterday somwehere
[06:46] <jemfinch> Plone is an OSS CMS for Zope, which is an Application Server written in python.
[06:46] <jemfinch> Plone runs the website for ubuntulinux.org.
[06:46] <moquist> rattboi: Plone is "Plone: A user friendly and powerful open source Content Management System"  http://www.plone.org/
[06:46] <rattboi> oh, that's where I saw it
[06:46] <rattboi> on ubuntu's site
[06:46] <moquist> :)
[06:48] <unshavenyak> Quick question if anyone feels like answring it.  When I try to run an install script I get the error bash; ./installMapleLinuxSU: bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission Denied
[06:48] <unshavenyak> Any ideas why I get this error?
[06:49] <moquist> unshavenyak: what's the first line of the install script?  'head -n1 installMapleLinuxSU'
[06:50] <moquist> unshavenyak: well, regardless, your installscript is attempting to execute an interpreter (the bash shell, in this case) that either doesn't exist or is not executable by the current user.
[06:50] <unshavenyak> !/bin/sh
[06:50] <unshavenyak> hrmm I'm executing it as root and I'm fairly certain bash is installed
[06:52] <moquist> unshavenyak: I'm confused by a couple things.  That line should be "#!/bin/sh", not "!/bin/sh".
[06:53] <unshavenyak> sorry I missed the pound sign
[06:53] <unshavenyak> it is #!/bin/sh
[06:53] <moquist> unshavenyak: did you paste the error message exactly?
[06:53] <unshavenyak> yes, one sec i'll paste the entire string for you
[06:54] <unshavenyak> [root@midgard cdrom] # ./installMapleLinuxSU
[06:54] <unshavenyak> bash: ./installMapleLinuxSU: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[06:54] <unshavenyak> [root@midgard cdrom] #
[06:54] <moquist> unshavenyak: what happens if you just execute '/bin/sh' on the command line?
[06:55] <unshavenyak> nothing
[06:56] <moquist> unshavenyak: try changing that first line to #!/bin/bash and see what happens.  :)
[06:56] <unshavenyak> Ok will do
[06:57] <unshavenyak> ah I can't, it's a read-only file system
[06:57] <unshavenyak> darn CD-Rom
[06:57] <unshavenyak> hrmm I'll try copying the volume to my HDD and then let you know what happens
[06:57] <moquist> wha?  so judging by the HOWTO: Ubuntu Multimedia forum topic, there is no mplayer package?
[06:57] <moquist> unshavenyak: k
[06:58] <unshavenyak> well that's just neat
[06:58] <unshavenyak> installs perfectly when files are copied to the HDD
[06:59] <unshavenyak> Thank you for the help moquist!
[07:00] <moquist> unshavenyak: heh, glad to, er, help.  ;)
[07:01] <jemfinch> so again, is there no Plone package for Ubuntu?
[07:01] <jemfinch> apt-cache search comes up empty.
[07:02] <moquist> jemfinch: I guess you mean without enabling universal?
[07:02] <hyrcan> jemfinch I think thats in "universe"
[07:02] <moquist> er, "universe"
[07:02] <jemfinch> moquist: I'm not an Ubuntu power-user or anything, what do I need to do to enable universal and get Plone?
[07:02] <moquist> root@philonous:~ # apt-cache search zope-cmfplone
[07:02] <moquist> zope-cmfplone - A zope/cmf-based content management system
[07:03] <moquist> jemfinch: it's on the Ubuntu forums: http://tinyurl.com/3nz3v
[07:03] <jemfinch> moquist: thanks.
[07:04] <kremlyn> y0
[07:04] <moquist> jemfinch: np
[07:04] <kremlyn> Anyone know how to connect to an SMB share in Nautilus, specifying a username/password?
[07:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> smb://user:pass@server/share
[07:05] <kremlyn> It seems if I specify a share, it gives me a login dialogue, but if I just try to connect to the SMB box, it tells me I'm unauthorised
[07:05] <melazyboy> kremlyn: You can't... it will just fail silently...
[07:05] <moquist> anyone know how to get libmp3lame.so?  the LAME SF page says "LAME is only distributed in source code form."  So how do I do this in debian/Ubuntu?
[07:05] <hyrcan> you can also go to Network and add server it'll prompt you for info
[07:05] <kremlyn> Hrdwr_BoB, is there a way to browse shares?
[07:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> smb://user:pass@server/
[07:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> ok gtg
[07:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> catch dude
[07:06] <kremlyn> cya
[07:06] <kremlyn> hyrcan: Where can I do that?
[07:07] <hyrcan> moquist >  you can check out this repository... I think it has it, and it has mplayer....   ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[07:08] <novaburst> what is the shell command to display what version of the kernal your running?
[07:08] <novaburst> kernal=kernel
[07:08] <calamari> uname -a
[07:08] <moquist> novaburst: uname
[07:08] <novaburst> thank you
[07:08] <moquist> novaburst: what calamari said :)
[07:09] <novaburst> ahh,that did it, thanks guys :)
[07:09] <|QuaD|> what is "gam_server"
[07:09] <crimsun> gam is the replacement for fam
[07:09] <|QuaD|> is it supposed to use up 100% of my cpu?
[07:09] <|QuaD|> lol
[07:09] <|QuaD|> can i turn it off?
[07:09] <moquist> hyrcan: hmm.  sorry, newbie question: so can I add that URL to my sources.list file to always be using it?
[07:09] <hyrcan> yeah
[07:10] <moquist> hyrcan: k; thanks.
[07:10] <hyrcan> you can also add it through synaptic
[07:10] <crimsun> |QuaD|: 100% probably not. But it's used.
[07:11] <moquist> hyrcan: ok, so this is a Binary repository, got that.  what do I put for the "Distribution" and the "Section(s):"?
[07:13] <hyrcan> Kremlyn > if you go to "Network"  in the Nautilus menu you should see "add server" or is it Connect to server... can't remember now...
[07:13] <rattboi> I downloaded a vanilla 2.6.9 kernel
[07:13] <GotD0t> can anybody help me? gnome crashed on me while i was writing an essay in openoffice, and now i can't get back into OO because it still techincally open
[07:13] <hyrcan> Distribution : testing               Sections: main
[07:13] <rattboi> how do I get my current kernel config in there?
[07:13] <GotD0t> i cant seem to kill it
[07:13] <moquist> GotD0t: do you need to save what you wrote?
[07:14] <moquist> GotD0t: I don't know if that's possible, but your best chance is while OO is still running.
[07:14] <crimsun> rattboi: cp /boot/config-`uname -r` /usr/src/linux-2.6.9/.config
[07:14] <GotD0t> moquist: it saves every 2 minutes... and i was stuck on something for a while, so im fine
[07:14] <crimsun> rattboi: cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.9 && make oldconfig
[07:14] <moquist> GotD0t: have you tried "kill -9"?  That's what I always have to do when OO crashes with procs left over...
[07:14] <crimsun> rattboi: make sure you read up (search google) on the initrd procedure
[07:14] <GotD0t> moquist: how is that diff from kill PID?
[07:15] <moquist> GotD0t: from 'man kill': "KILL       9   exit      this signal may not be blocked"
[07:15] <hyrcan> GotD0t:  open a console and run "ps -A |grep oowriter (or just oo) and it will show you the pid of OO... then do a kill -9 $pidnumber
[07:15] <GotD0t> moquist: thanks... it worked
[07:15] <hyrcan> or a killall oowriter
[07:15] <moquist> GotD0t: the soffice processes catch the regular kill signal.  nothing can intercept "kill -9".
[07:16] <GotD0t> moquist: well thats rude of it
[07:16] <rattboi> moquist: I think xine must do that too then
[07:16] <hyrcan> lol
[07:16] <rattboi> because I had to kill -9 it
[07:16] <rattboi> killall wouldn't work
[07:16] <moquist> rattboi, hyrcan, GotD0t: "killall -9 blahblah" would work.
[07:16] <calamari> does kill -9 free memory and etc?
[07:17] <moquist> calamari: yeah, but it doesn't let the process clean up.  i.e., the process is simply stopped cold.  it doesn't have any chance to flush data, etc.
[07:17] <moquist> calamari: that's why some processes catch the regular kill signal - so they can clean up and exit gracefully.
[07:18] <GotD0t> moquist: except OOo doesn't exit at all when you do that?
[07:18] <moquist> GotD0t: right.  i always have to 'kill -i' OO/soffice if I have to kill it at all.
[07:18] <GotD0t> moquist: whats -i mean
[07:19] <moquist> GotD0t: crap.  i mean't "-9".
[07:19] <GotD0t> hehe
[07:19] <moquist> ack!
[07:19] <calamari> moquist: oic thanks, that makes sense
[07:21] <rattboi> damn, I hope this works
[07:21] <rattboi> I'm gonna try and get bootsplash working on 2.6.9
[07:21] <rattboi> so I can impress my friends
[07:21] <hyrcan> hehe
[07:22] <GotD0t> bah
[07:22] <GotD0t> i like to see what my OS is doing while booting
[07:22] <hyrcan> sounds like a good reason...
[07:22] <rattboi> GotD0t: you can do verbose mode
[07:22] <GotD0t> i know... it was a joke
[07:22] <crimsun> the only bootsplash I'd use is the winnt 4 mem dump
[07:23] <GotD0t> ?
[07:23] <calamari> I actually do like to see all that stuf.. always disabled the logo when windows was booting too :)
[07:23] <GotD0t> calamari: you could do that?
[07:23] <calamari> sure
[07:23] <GotD0t> i didn't know that
[07:23] <calamari> msdos.sys  put a line logo=0
[07:23] <calamari> this is 98
[07:23] <rattboi> maybe if it wasn't exactly the same every time, I'd care more :P
[07:23] <calamari> xp probably not :)
[07:24] <GotD0t> i never knew windows knew what it was doing during bootup
[07:24] <hyrcan> whats this crazy boot up you speak of?  is that what happens when the UPS fails? ;)
[07:24] <rattboi> hyrcan: :P
[07:24] <GotD0t> crimsun: what do you mean?
[07:24] <calamari> GotD0t: yeah, in fact it keeps a bootlog.txt file so you can see it as well
[07:24] <crimsun> GotD0t: I like winNT's bsod
[07:25] <crimsun> makes me feel warm and fuzzy
[07:25] <calamari> hehe
[07:25] <GotD0t> hmm
[07:25] <crimsun> linux has the most boring boots. it's not like stuff breaks horribly. better to stare at stuff that breaks loudly.
[07:25] <hyrcan> I still have the BSOD screensaver for windows on cd...
[07:26] <calamari> I wonder if I can get this gameport gamepad working under linux
[07:26] <calamari> got my usb stick going, but the pad is nice for tetris
[07:27] <calamari> one weird thing is that my bios-disabled sound card's gameport shows up in device manager :/
[07:27] <GotD0t> hmm
[07:28] <hyrcan> thats because it's not part of you sound card...
[07:28] <calamari> hmm
[07:28] <GotD0t> i wouldn't think so either
[07:28] <calamari> actually I'm wrong, I guess it only shows up in lsmod, not device manager
[07:29] <tommie_> how do i make mplayer turn down just the videos volume and not my computers volume
[07:29] <hyrcan> a lot of the time when you disable the sound card in the bios it only cuts off the soundcard part of the MB not the gameport... which is annoying
[07:29] <reversal`> How come when I restart into windows from ubuntu my time is messed up?
[07:29] <calamari> hyrcan: oic
[07:30] <calamari> hyrcan: well I can plug the pad into that port, I don't really care as long as it works :)
[07:30] <hyrcan> hehe
[07:30] <hyrcan> reversal how is the time messed up?
[07:31] <GotD0t> reversal`: time is messed up in windows? probably because its retarded and doesn't know how to read the system clock... or your battery for the clock is dead and ubuntu updates from time servers on startup
[07:31] <hyrcan> hehe...
[07:31] <GotD0t> and if you've got win xp it updates from servers that are about 10 seconds off
[07:31] <GotD0t> which pissed me off so much
[07:31] <reversal`> no, i mean, the time is fine, it just happens after i restart from ubuntu
[07:31] <GotD0t> but not on startup
[07:31] <hyrcan> I think it's more likly that linux thinks the system clock is set to UTC where as windows normally sets it to local time...
[07:32] <reversal`> no not 10 seconds, like hours lol.
[07:32] <hyrcan> how messed up is it?
[07:32] <reversal`> 5 hours maybe
[07:32] <hyrcan> yep...thats what it is probally...
[07:32] <rattboi> I don't get it...
[07:32] <rattboi> do I need to patch the kernel for bootsplash?
[07:32] <GotD0t> reversal`: where are you?
[07:32] <reversal`> new yawk
[07:32] <GotD0t> oh ye4a
[07:32] <rattboi> when I patch, it says some of the files are already there, aka bootsplash.c, .h
[07:32] <hyrcan> ding
[07:32] <calamari> hyrcan: any idea what the gamepad device would be called ?
[07:32] <GotD0t> EST is -5
[07:33] <reversal`> right
[07:33] <GotD0t> hyrcan: hit it on the head
[07:33] <reversal`> the times are both right, i could restart from windows, into windows, and my time will be fine, jsut that when im in ubuntu and restart my time in windows is off
[07:33] <hyrcan> Calamari: let me see if I can't figure it out...
[07:35] <GotD0t> reversal`: yea... it must be because linux sets the system clock to UTC and then adjusts for time zones and windows thinks the system clock is set to local time
[07:35] <calamari> hyrcan: thanks.. just found a guy in ##linux that has a gamepad working :)
[07:35] <hyrcan> Calamari rock on
[07:35] <hyrcan> Z)
[07:35] <reversal`> any way to fix that?
[07:35] <hyrcan> an change time
[07:35] <hyrcan> oops wrong window
[07:35] <hyrcan> lol
[07:35] <GotD0t> reversal`: set your timezone in windows to UTC
[07:36] <GotD0t> reversal`: then it won't compensate
[07:36] <GotD0t> err
[07:36] <GotD0t> wait
[07:36] <GotD0t> hmm
[07:36] <GotD0t> no clue
[07:36] <GotD0t> that wont work
[07:36] <GotD0t> im sorry... not all here
[07:36] <hyrcan> I think what reversal needs to do is tell linux to stops changing the time...and just report it....I can't remember what the freking command is... just a sec
[07:37] <reversal`> yeah i dont think its a windows setting problem
[07:37] <wmealing_> hmm
[07:37] <hyrcan> ah here we go... http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html
[07:37] <GotD0t> or reversal` can stop booting into windows ;-) that would be optimal... and it would free a hell of a lot of disk space :-P
[07:37] <reversal`> thanks
[07:37] <wmealing_> can anyone give the md5sum of the warty for powerpc iso ?
[07:38] <GotD0t> wmealing_: should be on the sit
[07:38] <GotD0t> sute*
[07:38] <GotD0t> AH
[07:38] <reversal`> i need my windows for gaming :(
[07:38] <GotD0t> ok im out
[07:38] <oak> what nethack is not good enough?
[07:39] <wmealing_> would anyone know which file ? on the site ?
[07:39] <GotD0t> reversal`: what games?
[07:39] <wmealing_> Md5sums !
[07:39] <wmealing_> imagine that
[07:39] <hyrcan> reversal in your linux install do a  " data " and make sure it's the right time...(it will be in 24hr time I think )
[07:39] <reversal`> cs, hl2, enemy territory, doom 3, yes i know et and d3 have linux versions but im too lazy to set it up
[07:40] <hyrcan> reversal if it's the right time then run " hwclock --systohc "
[07:40] <reversal`> hwclock --systohc will do what exactly?
[07:40] <wmealing_> well not DIII, but i play it native
[07:40] <hyrcan> hwclock -systohc will set your hardware clock to the current System time...
[07:41] <oak> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/ MD5SUMS
[07:41] <wmealing_> yeah, i got it.
[07:41] <reversal`> shouldnt i add --utc?
[07:41] <hyrcan> if you change your system time to the current time in NY which is about 1:41 (I'm down in DC) and then run hwclock which you reboot to windows it should be corrent...
[07:42] <reversal`> if thats what windows uses?
[07:42] <reversal`> ubuntu time was never wrong though.
[07:43] <hyrcan> check our this page for more info http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html
[07:43] <reversal`> im confused :(
[07:43] <reversal`> yeah i checked that page out and it looks like i should be doing hwclock --systohc --utc
[07:43] <reversal`> right?
[07:43] <hyrcan> Ubuntu understands what UTC is and adjust the time shown to you by the timezone... Windows doesn't know what UTC is so it things the hardware clock is localtime thus being 5hours off...
[07:44] <hyrcan> No leave off the --utc
[07:44] <hyrcan> the UTC bit is what is confusing Windows, because windows can't tell time.
[07:44] <hyrcan> :) yes that was a dig...hehehe
[07:44] <reversal`> alright, thanks. i think i got it.
[07:45] <reversal`> gonna try it out now.
[07:45] <hyrcan> read the page some to there is some good info on setting it up to automatically pull the time etc...just remember that you need the hardware clock to be set to local time not UTC and you should be fine... if not then there;s something else wrong...
[07:46] <hyrcan> er...never mind  :)
[07:47] <brymaster> could someone help me with a little problem i'm having with the live cd?
[07:48] <brymaster> after booting up and the loading screen is finished, i hear the startup sound but the screen is black and the light on my monitor is flashing green and then orange. what start up option do i need to change?
[07:48] <hyrcan> just ask brymaster if we can we will :)
[07:49] <brymaster> i'm thinking it's a video setting but not sure
[07:49] <hyrcan> hmm... sounds like the X isn't picking up your monitor resolution correct...or the video card...
[07:49] <brymaster> because vesa mode seems to work
[07:49] <brymaster> yeah
[07:50] <hyrcan> can you go to a terminal ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 etc...???
[07:50] <brymaster> i had a problem like this before with x and the nvidia drivers. i had to specify that my monitor was a CRT
[07:50] <brymaster> haven't tried that yet. i'll have to try in a sec when i reboot
[07:51] <brymaster> if i can, what should i do then?
[07:51] <brymaster> or is there some other option i can try?
[07:52] <hyrcan> Can't remember if you can manually select your video setup on the livecd...haven't played with it enough...but thats definitely whats going on...
[07:52] <brymaster> yeah
[07:52] <brymaster> alright then. i'll probably just have to stick with vesa mode and not use the nvidia drivers for my card. i'll get it another shot
[07:53] <hyrcan> if you can get to a console then you could change the settings that X is using....but you'd have to do that every time you booted witch is a pain
[07:53] <brymaster> yeah, that is a pain
[07:53] <brymaster> wish i knew what the exact prob was so i could submit it to ubuntu as a bug or something
[07:54] <hyrcan> :-X  yik...you can check the error logs and see if they say anything...like what is it actually thinking you have? that sort of thing...
[07:55] <brymaster> it detects my card right but some setting is wrong i'm sure
[07:55] <brymaster> i'm going to try again. thanks
[07:55] <hyrcan> maybe the resolution's to high for your monitor
[07:57] <hyrcan> anyone know what file ubuntu will read when starting into X?  It doesn't seem to be reading ~/.profile
[08:00] <jemfinch> sheesh, the Plone package in universal is over a year old!
[08:01] <paulproteus> universal?
[08:01] <paulproteus> Oh, universe.
[08:01] <jemfinch> yeah, that.
[08:01] <jemfinch> 20030909
[08:01] <|QuaD|> i just spent 5 hours waiting for qemu to install win2k3 and now it won't boot "A Disk Read Error Occured"!!!! I am upset
[08:01] <jemfinch> that's the date on it.
[08:02] <jemfinch> it's 1.0.5, when Plone is already up to 2.0.5.
[08:02] <jemfinch> looks like I'll be installing by hand, then.
[08:02] <|QuaD|> whats plone?
[08:03] <hyrcan> not surprising...Debian is about stability not new and fancy...but that doesn't mean you can't get the new stuff
[08:03] <hyrcan> check this one out Jemfinch:  http://plone.org/downloads/debian/view?searchterm=debian
[08:04] <hyrcan>   deb http://nathan.faho.rwth-aachen.de/debian/zope/ ./
[08:04] <hyrcan>   apt-get install plone
[08:06] <jemfinch> doesn't work.
[08:06] <jemfinch> anyway, I can just install from scratch, it's no big deal.
[08:07] <interesado> Hi?
[08:07] <hyrcan> oh yeah...thats right there;s something odd with the way ubuntu's deb works...which is damn annoying...you can DL the packages and dpkg -i them... but thats a pain too... :(
[08:08] <interesado> i don't know if this is the place to go...
[08:08] <hyrcan> nope this is the place...
[08:08] <hyrcan> ;)
[08:09] <interesado> to make a question about a Trident Cyber9525 video card configuration
[08:09] <hyrcan> when as long it's about the configuration of that card in Ubuntu then you stand a chance
[08:09] <hyrcan> when==well
[08:10] <interesado> thanks
[08:10] <interesado> i'm using the XF86Config file that worked fine on SuSE Linux 9.1
[08:11] <interesado> and i've the same problem
[08:11] <interesado> a band of interferences in the down side of the screen
[08:12] <hyrcan> um.... that doesn't sound like a linux problem....what kind of interference?  what does it look like?
[08:12] <interesado> forgive me
[08:12] <interesado> i'm spanish and my english is not too good
[08:12] <interesado> i'll try to explain as good as i can
[08:13] <interesado> everything looks fine
[08:13] <hyrcan> thats quite ok... my english isn't that good either...and I'm american ;)
[08:13] <interesado> haha
[08:13] <interesado> ok :-)
[08:13] <jml> g'day.
[08:14] <jml> are there any docs on dual booting mac os x and ubuntu ppc?
[08:14] <far_away> do americans speak english? i thought they spoke american :P
[08:14] <interesado> but in the down side, you can see as when there's no channel tuned in a TV
[08:15] <far_away> 'sup! <-- not english :P (pun intended)
[08:15] <|trey|> far_away: hate to ruin your day, but people in England say "sup" too  :/
[08:15] <interesado> it's height is about 1 inch
[08:15] <hyrcan> hmm....did you get it to work under suse?  or windows?
[08:16] <|trey|> interesado: trident driver I presume? using warty or hoary?
[08:16] <interesado> yes, it's trident driver
[08:16] <|trey|> hyrcan: apparently it worked with suse, else why would he try that config file?
[08:16] <interesado> it works fine on SuSE
[08:16] <|trey|> interesado: thats what I'm using, mine if fine... using hoary/xorg
[08:16] <far_away> |trey|, shhhh........ :)
[08:16] <interesado> and on Windows, yes
[08:16] <hyrcan> ahh...yes...I see now...
[08:17] <|QuaD|> i am sooo sad my qemu didn't work
[08:17] <interesado> i've seen this same problem in others distributions
[08:17] <|trey|> |QuaD|: zsnez works...
[08:17] <|QuaD|> whats that
[08:17] <|trey|> Nintendo emulator...
[08:17] <interesado> only SuSE do the job OK
[08:17] <|QuaD|> haha... i wish nintendo could run win2k3 :)
[08:18] <interesado> but i want to stay with Ubuntu
[08:18] <|QuaD|> interesado: setting up xserver?
[08:18] <|trey|> |QuaD|: yes, try to follow along  ;)
[08:18] <|QuaD|> |trey|: LOL
[08:18] <|QuaD|> interesado: mine wouldn't work from suse.... yast fubars it up
[08:19] <|trey|> interesado: just for shits, type: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' at a terminal
[08:19] <|trey|> |QuaD|: I actually find that hard to believe... Fedora and SuSE have the best hardware support I have seen... and that includes for XP etc...
[08:19] <|QuaD|> |trey|: it worked fine on suse
[08:20] <|QuaD|> just not as a standard xorg conf file
[08:20] <|trey|> |QuaD|: umm, then you lost me  :/
[08:20] <|QuaD|> for some reason
[08:20] <interesado> i've tried with other depths of color
[08:20] <|trey|> |QuaD|: SUSE 9.2?
[08:20] <interesado> sometimes it worked
[08:20] <|QuaD|> |trey|: when i used suse.... it ran fine, with nice hardware detection
[08:20] <|QuaD|> |trey|: 9.2
[08:20] <interesado> on an old RedHat 6.1
[08:20] <discharge> /etc/modutils/aliases - "Uncomment the network protocols you don't want loaded", i uncomment the one for ipv6, run update-modules, but ipv6 still loads at boot
[08:20] <discharge> how would i disable that module from loading?
[08:20] <|QuaD|> when you look at the config file, it made no sense (maybe thats cuz i use dual monitors)
[08:21] <|trey|> |QuaD|: yes. suse's config file does look a little intimidating compared to others...
[08:21] <wmealing_> ok.. so I've burnt the CD, the md5sum matches ppc , hold down the C key, cd doesnt boot.. ive reset the PRAM, any ideas ?
[08:21] <interesado> i'm going to try the dpkg -reconfigure...
[08:22] <wmealing_> i've had this system boot fedora-ppc, which doesnt have a boot.iso right now
[08:22] <|trey|> interesado: ugh, no space
[08:22] <|QuaD|> |trey|: i noticed it wasn't standard... tried using it with ubuntu and it wouldn't work
[08:22] <|QuaD|> had to do it from scratch
[08:22] <|QuaD|> most suse configs were like that
[08:22] <sn0n> howdy all
[08:22] <|QuaD|> (the ones that yast touched)
[08:22] <sn0n> this is honestly the best live CD i've used
[08:23] <|QuaD|> sn0n: :)
[08:23] <sn0n> (but im still an Arch user)  :-p
[08:23] <|QuaD|> sn0n: i have an idea
[08:23] <sn0n> not quite convinced   ;-)
[08:23] <|QuaD|> if it is so great, install it on your comp :)
[08:23] <sn0n> there are a few problems
[08:23] <sn0n> 1) lack of a GOOD gtk ftp client
[08:24] <|trey|> sn0n: Arch kinda sucked last I tried it... most software is out of date... and it made me do too much to get a working system  :
[08:24] <wmealing_> anyone , ppc  boot issue ?
[08:24] <sn0n> 2) gimp just dont do it for me.. i need my fireworks
[08:24] <|QuaD|> sn0n: gFTP
[08:24] <sn0n> trey: i'm loving arch.. been using it for about 3 months now..
[08:24] <sn0n> gFTP is a joke of a ftp client
[08:24] <sn0n> why does noone see that
[08:24] <|QuaD|> what do you use?
[08:25] <|trey|> sn0n: lftp  :/
[08:25] <sn0n> when im on windows, smartFTP or Winscp
[08:25] <sn0n> on linux nothing. just gnome-network
[08:25] <|trey|> sn0n: no one gives a fuck about Windoze...
[08:25] <|QuaD|> gFTP isnice
[08:25] <|trey|> |QuaD|: it does basic stuff, but nice?
[08:25] <|QuaD|> its nicer then any windows one i used (when i switched 4 years ago)
[08:25] <sn0n> gFTP is kinda 'clunky'... dont know howto describe it better
[08:25] <|QuaD|> |trey|: yeah, simple
[08:26] <|QuaD|> is lftp gtk?
[08:26] <|trey|> |QuaD|: nope...
[08:26] <sn0n> isnt lftp a command line ?
[08:26] <|trey|> |QuaD|: its a REAL ftp client  :/
[08:26] <sn0n> heh
[08:26] <Klowner_> lftp is nice
[08:26] <Klowner_> ncftp is decent too
[08:26] <|QuaD|> heh... i don't really use ftp often
[08:26] <[BTM] gee> gftp!
[08:26] <sn0n> and let me guess... REAL men dont use GUI's cept to look at porn ?
[08:26] <|QuaD|> lftp=ncurses atleast?
[08:27] <|QuaD|> sn0n: i use about 45% gui
[08:27] <|trey|> sn0n: I have yet to find another good use for them  :/
[08:27] <sn0n> hehehe
[08:27] <Klowner_> sn0n: pfft, no.. real men view porn using svgalib
[08:27] <sn0n> lol
[08:27] <Klowner_> ;)
[08:27] <|trey|> Klowner_: love to see you play a mpeg with that...
[08:27] <sn0n> roflao
[08:27] <crimsun> so that's why svgalib was fixed so quickly when the mmap semantics changed with 2.6.9
[08:28] <Klowner_> |trey|: heh, you don't miss a frame
[08:28] <Klowner_> rofl crimsun
[08:28] <|trey|> Klowner_: blah... it sucked for me, guess I was doing something wrong  :/
[08:28] <sn0n> lol
[08:28] <|trey|> Probably cuz mplayer was compiled to use X though  :/
[08:29] <Klowner_> lol I was kidding
[08:29] <Klowner_> although it sounds as if you've actually tried it..
[08:29] <|trey|> Klowner_: I so wasn't... GUI's annoy me  :/
[08:29] <|trey|> Klowner_: *nods*
[08:29] <Klowner_> heheheh
[08:29] <sn0n> i started computers in the dos days.. but more and more i find myself a hybrid gui/shell user..
[08:30] <sn0n> and ftp is one of the things i like to do from a gui client..
[08:30] <|trey|> SvenG: beats rapping some random chick  :/
[08:30] <sn0n> lol
[08:30] <|QuaD|> sn0n: ok?
[08:31] <interesado> thanks for all, i'll continue trying
[08:31] <sn0n> QuaD: i still cant find a decent gui ftp client :-p
[08:31] <sn0n> (Linux based. i know of many decent windows ones)
[08:31] <rattboi> how do I get my old kernel config into the new kernel config?
[08:31] <|QuaD|> i don't know of a singel good windows ones
[08:31] <|QuaD|> as i said before gftp is just as good
[08:31] <|QuaD|> what does it not do
[08:31] <rattboi> cp /boot/config-* /usr/src/kernel-source/ ?
[08:32] <far_away> |QuaD|, try smartftp, for kicks
[08:32] <Klowner_> ls_ftp is decent in windows.. well, it works
[08:32] <Agrajag> put your old config at .config in the top of the kernel source tree and do "make oldconfig"
[08:32] <Klowner_> I use shell anyway
[08:32] <|trey|> rattboi: kinda, file must be ".config" though...
[08:32] <sn0n> SmartFTP and WinSCP are two AWESOME programs..
[08:32] <|QuaD|> i rarely use it, when i do, i use the horrible standard ftp client
[08:32] <sn0n> and unfortunately gFTP comes nowhere close..
[08:32] <|QuaD|> sn0n: you didn't answer my question, what doesn't itt do
[08:32] <|trey|> sn0n: I already told you, no one gives a fuck about winblows.
[08:33] <sn0n> its interface is clunky
[08:33] <sn0n> sure we do..
[08:33] <SvenG> sn0n: ncftp is your friend!
[08:33] <|trey|> sn0n: then fix it... but shut up either way.
[08:33] <|QuaD|> sn0n: and these are bloated
[08:33] <sn0n> :: googles ncftp ::
[08:33] <sn0n> they arent..
[08:33] <sn0n> winscp is lightweight
[08:33] <|trey|> SvenG: he wants a GUI  :/
[08:33] <OZ8AAZ> moin, theine...
[08:33] <sn0n> hell.. smartftp is too
[08:33] <rattboi> Agrajag: can I use menuconfig instead?
[08:33] <|QuaD|> sn0n: gftp is lightweight compared to any windows app
[08:33] <|QuaD|> what do gftp NOT DO
[08:34] <Agrajag> rattboi: sure, after you do oldconfig.
[08:34] <supergear> cuteftp is good
[08:34] <|trey|> sn0n: seriously dude, if they don't run with wine at least, you need to shut up about these apps  :/
[08:34] <crimsun> it's doesn't make me toast, |QuaD|.
[08:34] <|QuaD|> (plus smartftp isn't free)
[08:34] <|QuaD|> crimsun: lol
[08:34] <sn0n> uhmmm.. they do run in wine  :-p
[08:34] <rattboi> Agrajag: when I did oldconfig, it started asking a lot of questions I didn't know the answer to
[08:34] <supergear> why run ftp apps in wine?
[08:34] <Agrajag> rattboi: just hit enter, it will choose the default.
[08:34] <|QuaD|> but they aren't free
[08:34] <crimsun> rattboi: if you're not sure, select the default
[08:34] <supergear> why not just use windows?
[08:34] <sn0n> yes they are
[08:34] <crimsun> yeah, what Agrajag said.
[08:34] <sn0n> http://winscp.sf.net/
[08:34] <|QuaD|> supergear: he si toooooo l33t
[08:34] <sn0n> FREE
[08:35] <|QuaD|> they are closed source
[08:35] <sn0n> http://smartftp.com/
[08:35] <sn0n> FREE
[08:35] <sn0n> winscp is opensource
[08:35] <|trey|> sn0n: they provide source code? great, get them to port to Windows...
[08:35] <|QuaD|> closed source = non free
[08:35] <|QuaD|> i am looking at smartftp
[08:35] <|trey|> to LInux*
[08:35] <sn0n> smartftp is closed source, freeware
[08:35] <supergear> or port it to Linux yourself
[08:35] <sn0n> but winscp is free  :-p
[08:35] <sn0n> AND OPENSOURCE
[08:35] <|QuaD|> sn0n: you still didn't answer me what they do that gftp doesn't
[08:36] <supergear> sn0n, why not just use windows?!?
[08:36] <|trey|> sn0n: get them to make a Linux port... we don't care  :/
[08:36] <paulproteus> What's the discussion about?
[08:36] <supergear> sn0n the Windows lover
[08:36] <supergear> :x
[08:36] <far_away> http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/ is opensource alright and is lovely too
[08:36] <|trey|> paulproteus: sn0n decided to troll about winblows apps  :/
[08:36] <|QuaD|> paulproteus: sn0n doesn't like gftp, wants a gtk ftp client, but can't say what he needs that gftp doesn't offer
[08:36] <sn0n> lol
[08:37] <sn0n> nothing wrong with windows :-D
[08:37] <supergear> then goto #windows and leave your linux chans :P
[08:37] <sn0n> gftp's interface is clunky, dont have drag -n- drop
[08:37] <|trey|> sn0n: true enough I guess... cept this is #ubuntu... so there is everything wrong with you talking about it here...
[08:37] <|QuaD|> sn0n = troll
[08:37] <supergear> use debian!
[08:37] <sn0n> but im on unbuntu live cd..  :-p   so i thought id come in here..
[08:37] <sn0n> lol
[08:38] <sn0n> im generally a ArchLinux user.. LoL
[08:38] <|trey|> |QuaD|: I think we already gathered that much...
[08:38] <|QuaD|> haha
[08:38] <|trey|> sn0n: you did... now you can leave... thanks
[08:38] <supergear> i use archlinux myself
[08:38] <sn0n> i love arch
[08:38] <supergear> tho I'm on SourceMage atm
[08:38] <supergear> ubuntu is good for a debian based distro
[08:39] <sn0n> last i tried it.. it didnt agree with me..
[08:39] <sn0n> lol
[08:39] <crimsun> I don't use ubuntu!
[08:39] <sn0n> sourcemage hated me.. LoL
[08:39] <rory__> lol
[08:39] <|QuaD|> do any of you guys use xampp?
[08:39] <|trey|> supergear: "for a Debian based distro"? wtf does that mean?
[08:39] <sn0n> means its a sub par distro but its top of the line for debian based
[08:39] <sn0n> i think is what he meant
[08:39] <sn0n> lol
[08:39] <supergear> |trey|, i tend to not like debian :P
[08:39] <|QuaD|> what is subpar?
[08:40] <supergear> didn't say it was subpar
[08:40] <sn0n> i'll admit.. its a nice ass livecd
[08:40] <|trey|> supergear: any reason? its package management is supperior to any distro I have used...
[08:40] <supergear> pacman be better :P
[08:40] <sn0n> pacman owns all package managers
[08:40] <sn0n> :-D
[08:40] <|QuaD|> pacman uses apt-get, no?
[08:40] <supergear> but apt is ok
[08:40] <supergear> |QuaD|, no
[08:40] <|trey|> supergear: pacman stalled and complained too much  :/
[08:40] <crimsun> |trey|: they're allowed to be wrong :P
[08:40] <calamari> besides the lack of a decent text editor and lack of support for bitmapped fonts, everything else in Ubuntu is awesome!
[08:41] <sn0n> pacman is coded from scratch with some philosophies of apt-get and others...
[08:41] <sn0n> :-p
[08:41] <|QuaD|> well, apt-get in ubuntu and debian is inhereintly more stable then pacman
[08:41] <sn0n> (from what i've read)
[08:41] <calamari> don't suggest text editors.. I think I've tried them all :)
[08:41] <oak> what is an example of a decent text editor? vi?
[08:41] <supergear> joe!
[08:41] <|trey|> supergear: slow servers, crap packages... nothing resembling order...
[08:41] <sn0n> calamari, whats a good one with Save to FTP?
[08:41] <sn0n> i LOVE joe
[08:41] <calamari> oak: windows textpad (oops :)
[08:41] <supergear> packages are ok
[08:41] <sn0n> :-D
[08:41] <sn0n> its my fav or all
[08:41] <Gmail> how do i enable open terminal in natuilus?
[08:42] <crimsun> besides right-click on the desktop and Open Terminal?
[08:42] <supergear> |trey|, gotta edit /etc/pacman.d/current|extra|unstable for faster servers
[08:42] <|trey|> supergear: packages are ok? umm, all pacman is is a package manager...
[08:42] <calamari> sn0n: huh? save to ftp?
[08:42] <wmealing_> anyone have any ideas why a Ibook g4 wont boot from the ubuntu CD ?
[08:42] <sn0n> yeah..
[08:42] <sn0n> save to ftp
[08:42] <sn0n> its a common feature of webbased language IDE's
[08:42] <sn0n> im not liking Zend Studio thou..
[08:43] <sn0n> its very clunky
[08:43] <calamari> sn0n: never heard of that before.. I used winscp.. gets the job done.. kinda annoying sometimes re: configuration
[08:43] <|QuaD|> sn0n: everything is clunky for you
[08:43] <|QuaD|> lol
[08:43] <rory__> lol
[08:43] <sn0n> yey!! another winscp user..
[08:43] <|QuaD|> are there any ops here?
[08:43] <sn0n> lol.. clunky is a good word
[08:43] <supergear> |QuaD|, obviously not, or sn0n been banned
[08:43] <Gmail> crimsun: i don't even have that
[08:43] <rory__> i use winscp...
[08:43] <sn0n> lol
[08:43] <|QuaD|> haha
[08:43] <calamari> sn0n: I have to say I like the way gftp looks better than winscp :P
[08:43] <sn0n> banned for?
[08:43] <|QuaD|> i figured maybe one was afk
[08:43] <crimsun> |QuaD|: yes, but they don't feel the need to flaunt their status.
[08:43] <supergear> trolling
[08:43] <|trey|> |QuaD|: if there were, like half the people talking right now would be kicked and/or sent to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:44] <sn0n> gftp is odd shaped.. to me..
[08:44] <supergear> gftp is good
[08:44] <wmealing_> use nautilus ftp
[08:44] <|QuaD|> ok... stop talking about ftp
[08:44] <|QuaD|> sn0n is clearly trolling
[08:44] <wmealing_> ok.. lets talk about why a ppc wont boot ?
[08:44] <wmealing_> anyone got any ideas ?
[08:44] <calamari> oh, I guess the other thing I need to work on is wine.. it doesn't like me right now for some reason
[08:44] <supergear> I don't have a PPC
[08:45] <|QuaD|> wmealing_: sorry x86 here
[08:45] <|QuaD|> anyone here use qemu?
[08:45] <wmealing_> hold down C while boot.. but not now.. don tknow why
[08:45] <wmealing_> |Quad| yes,\
[08:45] <calamari> quad: I used it in windows
[08:45] <Gmail> can i be unbaned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:45] <sn0n> im not trolling..
[08:45] <far_away> calamari, try crossover-office
[08:45] <calamari> far_away: that costs $ tho, right?
[08:45] <sn0n> im not even saying 'everyone get back on windows,'
[08:45] <|QuaD|> wmealing_: you know why it would say "A disk read error occured" and won't boot?
[08:45] <supergear> crossover cost money :|
[08:46] <sn0n> im just talkin about ftp clients and their clunkyness
[08:46] <|QuaD|> sn0n: this channel is for ubuntu and ubuntu related topics. That is not our concern
[08:46] <|trey|> |QuaD|: What do you plan to use it for?
[08:46] <|QuaD|> win2k3
[08:46] <|QuaD|> thats probably why
[08:46] <crimsun> sn0n: well, that's an issue of preference. Personally lftp and ncftp under Ubuntu (and obviously other UNIX-like OSes) work just fine.
[08:47] <sn0n> sure it is
[08:47] <|trey|> sn0n: trolling = annoying and repetitious discussion that no one wants to read.
[08:47] <sn0n> unbuntu's ftp client sucks!  :-D
[08:47] <|QuaD|> just everyone ignore him
[08:47] <|trey|> |QuaD|: ahh... doubtful you will pull that off...
[08:47] <|QuaD|> should i try xp?
[08:48] <|QuaD|> i need to run one of the 2
[08:48] <sn0n> Quad: yes.. try it.. come to the dark side..
[08:48] <supergear> vmware
[08:48] <|trey|> |QuaD|: should try something a little older than ntfs  :/
[08:48] <sn0n> ill even host a website for you.. and your trip into win'
[08:48] <supergear> vmware for 2K/XP/2k3
[08:48] <|QuaD|> |trey|: i need iis with asp.net
[08:48] <sn0n> use mod_mono
[08:48] <|trey|> supergear: I have a free lisense for w2k, xp, and virtual pc if I ever get around to it  :)
[08:48] <|QuaD|> supergear: wanna pay for the license?
[08:49] <|QuaD|> i do too... MSDAA :)
[08:49] <|trey|> uhh, w2k3*
[08:49] <supergear> |QuaD|, warez my friend :P (no)
[08:49] <|QuaD|> also a office, etc
[08:49] <sn0n> pay? license? why dont you keygen and steal the shit?
[08:49] <|trey|> |QuaD|: 8)
[08:49] <|QuaD|> supergear: since i turned to linux, i don't do warez
[08:49] <|QuaD|> no point
[08:49] <|QuaD|> haven't needed it for anything
[08:49] <|trey|> sn0n: who said pay?  I don't pay for software... but I don't steal it either...
[08:49] <sn0n> lol
[08:49] <|QuaD|> |trey|: thats my philosophy
[08:50] <sn0n> damn liberals and their free software philosophy..
[08:50] <sn0n> lol
[08:50] <supergear> i only warezed  vmware and crossover
[08:50] <|QuaD|> i have been tempted
[08:50] <supergear> but not really use them much
[08:50] <|QuaD|> a while ago (in sept) i tried vmware
[08:50] <|QuaD|> but couldn't find a key
[08:50] <|QuaD|> i don't want to though
[08:50] <supergear> bitorrent!
[08:50] <sn0n> i have a windows & linux super keygen
[08:50] <|trey|> supergear: I used to be a warez kiddie... then I grew up  :/
[08:50] <sn0n> (for vmware)
[08:50] <crimsun> I warezed the Linux kernel from SCO.
[08:50] <sn0n> lol crimsun
[08:50] <supergear> me too
[08:51] <|QuaD|> |trey|: exactly... i found linux
[08:51] <|trey|> |QuaD|: :)
[08:51] <supergear> I don't use warez anymore tho
[08:51] <sn0n> hehe.
[08:51] <supergear> I can live w/o windows apps
[08:51] <sn0n> anyone can.
[08:52] <calamari> one thing I did to wean myself off windows apps was to always put "gnu" in my searches when I needed a new app
[08:52] <|QuaD|> supergear: yeah... i need asp.net for a class
[08:52] <|QuaD|> calamari: lol
[08:52] <calamari> or spl
[08:52] <calamari> gpl
[08:52] <sn0n> QuaD: did you TRY mod_mono ?
[08:52] <supergear> |QuaD|, install *gasp* windows
[08:52] <|trey|> calamari: you go onto the internet?  I just use apt-cache search  :/
[08:52] <calamari> hehe
[08:53] <sn0n> http://go-mono.net/
[08:53] <|QuaD|> supergear: i have a legal copy of that
[08:53] <supergear> |QuaD|, then install it :P
[08:53] <supergear> I have legal copy of 2K3
[08:53] <|QuaD|> supergear: i have a legal copy of any ms software including a lot of betas
[08:53] <supergear> just not of XP
[08:53] <|QuaD|> i have 2k3
[08:53] <supergear> as do i
[08:53] <sn0n> i have legal versions of windows back to 95 and up to 2k3 (all fully paid for/ non-trials even)  :-p
[08:53] <supergear> tho i won't install it
[08:54] <sn0n> damn.. you guys are doin a great job at ignoring me.. LoL
[08:54] <supergear> windows gives me headaches
[08:54] <Gmail> OMG gnome really stuffed up after install 8 new themes
[08:54] <Gmail> sn0n: they do the same to me
[08:54] <calc> sn0n: thanks :)
[08:54] <|QuaD|> supergear: thats why i am doing it in qemu :)
[08:54] <supergear> I'm compiling Gnome atm
[08:54] <sn0n> GMail; what themes.. im lookin for a new one..UCLinux is getting old..
[08:54] <calamari> windows 98 is halfway usable, xp is just crap
[08:55] <crimsun> I like Human just fine :)
[08:55] <|QuaD|> calamari: i like 2k
[08:55] <calc> calamari: funny :)
[08:55] <supergear> 2K is good
[08:55] <sn0n> or was it nclinux
[08:55] <sn0n> i cant remember
[08:55] <supergear> 2k3 is good too
[08:55] <calc> back when win98 was around it would crash for me 4-5 times a day (from what i recall_
[08:55] <supergear> for MS
[08:55] <|QuaD|> i like a clean linux system better then any windows
[08:55] <|^JaMeS^|> http://www.babytux.org/gallery/images/tuxbliss.png
[08:56] <rory__> whats wrong with xp?
[08:56] <supergear> 2k3 is more secure (not really) by default
[08:56] <novaburst> sn0n: i'm using Smooth Gorilla, Milk is kind of neat too
[08:56] <calamari> calc: I've really never had much problem with 98 crashing.  I don't install lots of weird hardware tho
[08:56] <calc> xp works fine, other than the ie/oe exploits ;)
[08:56] <sn0n> i like the milk with the half moon looking thing
[08:56] <rory__> well default doesnt really matter in a league like this
[08:56] <crimsun> ah, there's calc, our resident KDE defector
[08:56] <crimsun> =P
[08:56] <novaburst> sn0n: yeah, i think that is called Chrome Milk
[08:56] <calc> crimsun: :)
[08:56] <sn0n> yeah... something like that
[08:56] <calamari> the nice thing about 98 now is that it is no longer targeted so the security increased :)
[08:56] <rory__> and xp != ie/oe
[08:56] <supergear> well XP has everything turned on by default
[08:57] <paulproteus> Oh, hey calc-from-#debian-kde .
[08:57] <|QuaD|> i actually prefer kde
[08:57] <calc> rory__: ms claims ie is part of the os
[08:57] <supergear> IE is apart of windows
[08:57] <sn0n> heres my fav
[08:57] <sn0n> http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/ncltheme/
[08:57] <supergear> after win98
[08:57] <sn0n> its kinda gonna piss a few off..
[08:57] <sn0n> but i like it
[08:57] <calc> __keybuk: good morning
[08:58] <supergear> you can't remove IE from XP
[08:58] <supergear> or 2k
[08:58] <supergear> or 2k3
[08:58] <Keybuk> morning
[08:58] <rory__> ok, but you dont have to run IE or use any apps that use it
[08:58] <supergear> true
[08:58] <lijeesh> hello anyone interested in making money for just posting messages and ideas just register on the site and start yearning now http://www.javahive.com/index.php?ref=lijeesh (give referal as lijeesh)
[08:58] <crimsun> um.
[08:58] <|QuaD|> LOL
[08:58] <sn0n> lol
[08:58] <supergear> oh yall need a op to ban him
[08:59] <lijeesh> hello anyone interested in making money for just posting messages and ideas just register on the site and start yearning now http://www.javahive.com/index.php?ref=lijeesh (give referal as lijeesh)
[08:59] <|QuaD|> now whats worse.... some annoperson like sn0n or a spammer like lijeesh
[08:59] <calamari> sn0n: you might check out the Industrial theme.. quite nice
[08:59] <supergear> oh my spam flood
[08:59] <sn0n> lol
[08:59] <sn0n> im far worse
[08:59] <sn0n> :-D
[09:00] <sn0n> i should make my next gnome match QNX  :-D
[09:00] <sn0n> i LOVE'd the qnx desktop
[09:00] <crimsun> whee.
[09:00] <novaburst> sn0n: OpusOS is cool, i used that for awhile
[09:00] <sn0n> yeah.. i liked that too..
[09:01] <sn0n> i just wish i could do something more with the panels..
[09:01] <sn0n> they are always so ugly
[09:01] <sn0n> lol
[09:02] <|QuaD|> i wish i had my hosting provider setup
[09:02] <novaburst> check this out: http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8360
[09:03] <|QuaD|> i have an app i want to start using
[09:03] <|QuaD|> but i don't want to run an sql server here
[09:03] <sn0n> quad: what kinda hosting you need?
[09:03] <mbb> anyone know if there will be a day to day update, recap, etc of the Mataro goings-ons, for those of use who just dream of going there?
[09:03] <sn0n> thats a kinda radical style
[09:03] <sn0n> lol
[09:03] <novaburst> hehe, i know
[09:04] <sn0n> i never liked them 'flashy' themes thou
[09:04] <sn0n> they never feel usable
[09:04] <novaburst> true
[09:04] <Gmail> OMG UBUNTU CRASHED
[09:04] <sn0n> lol
[09:04] <|QuaD|> Gmail: no it didn't
[09:04] <novaburst> lol
[09:04] <|QuaD|> it wasn't ubuntu's fault
[09:04] <|QuaD|> lol
[09:04] <sn0n> did IT crash? or did KDE?
[09:04] <supergear> X crashed maybe
[09:05] <sn0n> cuz i know gnome dont crash ;-)
[09:05] <Gmail> count of times ubuntu ever crashed in the world: 1
[09:05] <supergear> gnome does crash
[09:05] <|QuaD|> Gmail: you are running hoary right?
[09:05] <sn0n> lol
[09:05] <sn0n> i've never had it crash on me..
[09:05] <Gmail> |QuaD|: heh the kernel crashed
[09:05] <|QuaD|> wow
[09:05] <|QuaD|> what did you do?
[09:05] <supergear> gnome apps crash i mean
[09:06] <Gmail> heh my swap umounted and my ram was totally being used
[09:06] <sn0n> ive only had firefox lag on me once.. but it pulled outta it..
[09:06] <Gmail> why the hell is everything umounting
[09:06] <|QuaD|> Gmail: why does everything keep umounting?
[09:06] <|QuaD|> wtf did you do?
[09:06] <supergear> rebooting?
[09:06] <Gmail> |QuaD|: no idea
[09:07] <|QuaD|> wow.... i hope i don't fubar my system likethat
[09:07] <supergear> things don't tend to umount themselves
[09:07] <Gmail> supergear: everything on my system was umounting don't know why
[09:07] <|QuaD|> Gmail: maybe its cuz you keep typing umount?
[09:07] <Gmail> my home partion was umounting like every 30sec for awhile
[09:08] <Gmail> |QuaD|: no
[09:08] <|QuaD|> Gmail: you sure?
[09:08] <|QuaD|> i don't believe you
[09:08] <Gmail> |QuaD|: i am sure
[09:08] <supergear> someone h4x0ring you?
[09:08] <|QuaD|> supergear: its me!
[09:08] <supergear> sn0rn got bored
[09:09] <|QuaD|> everyonewas ignoring him
[09:09] <Gmail> supergear: no ports open
[09:09] <supergear> sure you got some
[09:09] <supergear> irc port
[09:09] <|QuaD|> ogra, stub, pitti, and carlos all have the same ip
[09:09] <|QuaD|> Gmail: are you on a bnc?
[09:10] <Gmail> supergear: yes only open to the server i am suing
[09:10] <|QuaD|> supergear: doesn't accept incoming connections
[09:10] <supergear> you're suing the server?!?!?!
[09:10] <supergear> :P
[09:10] <Gmail> lol
[09:10] <Gmail> supergear: yes only open to the server i am using
[09:11] <|QuaD|> what are ubuntu releases named after?
[09:11] <|QuaD|> cprov is also on that ip
[09:12] <supergear> why so many clones?
[09:12] <|QuaD|> i wonder
[09:12] <|QuaD|> are they official bots?
[09:12] <supergear> no idea
[09:12] <|QuaD|> why are there never any ops when you need them
[09:12] <supergear> bots usually get @
[09:12] <|QuaD|> true
[09:12] <Gmail> report them to #freenode
[09:13] <|QuaD|> Gmail: what if they are official?
[09:13] <lamont_r> |QuaD|: it's a conference with a NAT'ed IP..
[09:14] <lamont_r> |QuaD|: random animals, basically
[09:14] <|QuaD|> ahh :)
[09:14] <|QuaD|> random animals?
[09:14] <|QuaD|> what conference
[09:14] <lamont_r> warthog, hedgehog, groundhog, penguin
[09:14] <lamont_r> ubuntu conf in mataro spain
[09:14] <|QuaD|> oh ;)
[09:14] <|QuaD|> hehe
[09:15] <|QuaD|> lamont: awesome... how many people went?
[09:15] <|QuaD|> is there a schedule of stuff up?
[09:16] <Gmail> |QuaD|: the only offical bot there is, is chanserv nickserv...
[09:17] <|QuaD|> :)
[09:17] <lamont_r> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Conference
[09:18] <|QuaD|> just found it :)
[09:18] <|QuaD|> you there?
[09:19] <lamont_r> all the 213.151.107.243 nick's are.. :_0
[09:19] <paulproteus> I'm here. ;)
[09:19] <|QuaD|> nice
[09:19] <|QuaD|> how is it
[09:19] <carlos> |QuaD|: Ubuntu conference
[09:19] <lamont_r> |QuaD|: starting. :_
[09:19] <lamont_r> :-)
[09:19] <|QuaD|> :)
[09:21] <EfaistOs> hi
[09:21] <EfaistOs> why the pkg unrar-nonfree is not available ?
[09:22] <whiprush> it's in multiverse
[09:24] <EfaistOs> whiprush, multiverse must me add after universe ?
[09:24] <|QuaD|> if i want to back up a directory weekly, how would i do that?
[09:24] <whiprush> yeah, you can put it there.
[09:24] <paulproteus> Oui, c'est different que "universe" parce que "universe" a seulement le logiciel libre.
[09:24] <whiprush> after that apt-get update and you should see it
[09:24] <|QuaD|> paulproteus: uh huh
[09:25] <paulproteus> EfaistOs: Alors, Tu dois ajouter multiverse.  On peut en lire sur le wiki, je crois.
[09:25] <|QuaD|> paulproteus: (i actually have no idea what you said, but i tried to make it seem like i did)
[09:26] <paulproteus> (EfaistOs, si tu me comprends il serait outil de le dire, ou de remercier. ;)
[09:26] <EfaistOs> thanks paulproteus
[09:27] <paulproteus> De rien. :)
[09:27] <paulproteus> |QuaD|: Check out /etc/cron.weekly
[09:28] <[BTM] gee> how do i change my hz? can only choose 60
[09:28] <|QuaD|> paulproteus: i should put a script in there?
[09:29] <paulproteus> |QuaD|: Yup.  All files in there run once weekly.  See /etc/crontab for a hint of more help.
[09:29] <|QuaD|> hehe ok
[09:30] <|QuaD|> hmmm... i need to learn how to do more with cr0n
[09:30] <[BTM] gee> someone that can help me out?
 am i evil?
 i am did a few edit on some isp dns servers
 pointed search.msn.com to google.com
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[09:31] <|QuaD|> LOL
[09:31] <[BTM] gee> :)
[09:31] <Gmail> i think i am a good guy
[09:31] <[BTM] gee> you are..
[09:31] <|QuaD|> can you tell em the isps?
[09:31] <[BTM] gee> gmail can you help me out with a minor problem
[09:32] <Agrajag> great, now when people go to windowsupdate.microsoft.com they'll be unabel to update their insecure OS and thus be at risk of becoming part of a botnet
[09:32] <Agrajag> GOOD JOB
[09:32] <Agrajag> why don't you change it back and stop raging against the machine
[09:32] <ctd> Gmail: I hope your only implying your local area network..
[09:32] <ctd> Gmail: Wouldn't want angry clients ringing you up. :)
[09:33] <Gmail> heh its the isp my uncul is a network admin of and let me do those changes
[09:33] <ctd> Gmail: Knowing you did it?
[09:34] <ctd> Gmail: That wouldn't be good for his job.
[09:34] <Gmail> yes
[09:34] <Gmail> heh
[09:34] <Gmail> tsn internet btw was the isp
[09:34] <[BTM] gee> how do i change my hz? can only choose 60
[09:34] <[BTM] gee> someone that can help me out?
[09:34] <ctd> Gmail: tsn.. as in the australian one?
[09:34] <paulproteus> [BTM] gee: The problem is Linux seems to have under-detected your monitor's capacities.
[09:35] <EfaistOs> [BTM] gee, ask your question
[09:35] <[BTM] gee> yepp heh
[09:35] <[BTM] gee> how do i change the hz then... EfaistOs
[09:35] <Gmail> ctd: yes
[09:35] <[BTM] gee> in XF86?
[09:35] <EfaistOs> hz ?
[09:35] <Gmail> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree
[09:35] <EfaistOs> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:36] <Gmail> boy this channel is very stupid
[09:36] <paulproteus> Gmail: Eh?
[09:36] <Agrajag> Gmail: pot, kettle, black
[09:36] <Gmail> wtf
[09:36] <poseidon__> greetings..
[09:36] <Gmail> lol
[09:36] <paulproteus> "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot."
[09:37] <Gmail> look everyone poseidon__ greeted us
[09:37] <Gmail> bash him lol
[09:37] <poseidon__> hi guyz, is there anyway to make apt-get not use cdrom as it's .deb source but download from internet instead?
[09:37] <daniels> Gmail: dude.  settle down.  ok?
[09:37] <supergear> paulproteus, ok Mr Picard
[09:37] <far_away> [BTM] gee, pop in the livecd and save the xf86config file. then copy only the mode lines to your current xf86config. now you should be able to set a higher Hz. worked for me
[09:37] <Agrajag> poseidon__: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the line regarding the CDROM
[09:38] <poseidon__> Agrajag: ok.. thanks :)
[09:40] <ctd> Gmail: I think your stupid too.
[09:41] <Gmail> ctd: who in this channel isn't?
[09:41] <paulproteus> poseidon__: Easiest way is to uncheck the CDROM in Synaptic.
[09:42] <poseidon__> paulproteus, i see.. i find apt-get to be more friendly hehe :)
[09:42] <poseidon__> erm.. gtg now
[09:42] <poseidon__> ciaoo
[09:43] <tommie_> you know when you save your current setup in the log out menu, well how do I delete the current one, cause it loads up every time i log in
[09:43] <Gwildor> Tomcat_, just save a new one, how you want it to load
[09:44] <Gwildor> err last post to tommie_
[09:44] <tommie_> hehe :) Is there a file that I can delete though?
[09:44] <Gwildor> oh....idk
[09:44] <tommie_> I'll do that though
[09:44] <Gwildor> :)
[09:45] <paulproteus> Close everything, then do "save session"?
[09:54] <wfx> morning all ;-)
[09:56] <far_away> morning wfx, i am standing in for 'all' :)
[09:57] <wfx> :)
[10:01] <cowbud> morning
[10:05] <far_away> morning cowbud
[10:05] <wfx> morning cowbud :) and to the land far far away from here
[10:05] <rattboi> what's the difference between linux-source and kernel-source?
[10:05] <cowbud> haha
[10:07] <Keybuk> rattboi: kernel-source is the Debian 2.4 kernel package, linux-source is the Ubuntu 2.6 kernel package
[10:08] <rattboi> but I got kernel-source 2.6.9 first
[10:08] <cowbud> the truth shall be revealed to all who wait..
[10:08] <ChibiFS> kernel-source is from debian, linux-source is from ubuntu
[10:08] <rattboi> now I'm getting linux-source 2.6.9
[10:08] <bassinboy> Wee
[10:08] <bassinboy> does unbuntu use anything besides gnome?
[10:09] <ChibiFS> You can make it, if you'd like. But it's purpose is supporting gnome/gtk
[10:09] <ChibiFS> I use XFCE4.2 on it.
[10:10] <calc> is ubuntu supposed to have a libstdc++.so.60 instead of a libstdc++.so.6 ?
[10:11] <rattboi> I got the linux-source deb from synaptic, but I don't see it installed anything
[10:11] <rattboi> nvmd
[10:11] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: cool, got a screenshot?
[10:12] <ChibiFS> Heh. Just a minute. :P
[10:13] <_mp> Kamion: are you around?
[10:13] <ChibiFS> http://studiochibico.com/xfce/Xfce-dusk.png That's not a full screen screenshot, just for a gtk theme I did.
[10:14] <bassinboy> Cool theme, can i have it? heh
[10:15] <ChibiFS> Needs the gtk-xfce engine installed, http://studiochibico.com/xfce/Xfce-dusk.tar.gz
[10:15] <ChibiFS> http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37 And you can get the recent xfce4.2 builds here. D:
[10:16] <ChibiFS> You don't need to follow those instructions directly, you know how to add repositories to apt, right? :P
[10:17] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: Actually i'm on gentoo running xfce4.1.99.1
[10:17] <ChibiFS> Ah. Haha, silly me. :P
[10:18] <ChibiFS> How's gentoo treating ya?
[10:18] <Tsjoklat> ChibiFS nice work
[10:18] <ChibiFS> http://studiochibico.com/working/xfce.png n.n
[10:18] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: Greatest preforance out of any OS i've ever seen. But of course, ubuntu is the only distro i haven't tried ;)
[10:20] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: Meh, how exactly do i install your theme?
[10:20] <paulproteus> ChibiFS: With XFCE, does the automounting stuff happen as usual?
[10:20] <paulproteus> And can you use things like the GNOME Control Center?
[10:20] <bluewheel> is anyone in here running ubuntu on PPC ?
[10:20] <paulproteus> bluewheel: Right here - iBook G4.
[10:20] <ChibiFS> Ubuntu is Debian, optimized for Gnome/386. You'll notice a major performance loss versus gentoo. :/
[10:20] <Agrajag> ChibiFS: bull
[10:21] <Agrajag> I used to run gentoo, this isn't any slower
[10:21] <ChibiFS> Put it in ~/.themes or /usr/share/themes?
[10:21] <paulproteus> ChibiFS: Not so fast - Debian for i386 is faster than most custom-compiled Gentoo setups.
[10:21] <Agrajag> certainly not noticeably
[10:21] <jordi> ChibiFS: err, oh, yeah, a *major* performance loss.
[10:21] <bluewheel> paulproteus, cool :-) I just did a stock install and wanted to know if you got cpu frequency scaling to work out of the box or did you need to recompile the kernel ?
[10:21] <paulproteus> CPU frequency scaling?
[10:21] <paulproteus> That sounds like a neat trick.  I haven't looked into it, I'm afraid.
[10:21] <bluewheel> have not ok well I will have a play :-)
[10:22] <paulproteus> i386.
[10:22] <paulproteus> But CPU optimization has little to do with speed.
[10:23] <paulproteus> Programs run slow because they're big, not because they're doing crazy math that needs optimization.
[10:23] <Kamion> _mp: sort of; in a meeting at the conference
[10:23] <Kamion> Amaranth: my girlfriend has a 486 and very much wants to be able to run Ubuntu
[10:23] <Kamion> Amaranth: we do have some 486 users
[10:23] <Agrajag> paulproteus: well, mostly programs run slow due to I/O overhead
[10:23] <Amaranth> well, some programs can take advantage of MMX, SSE, etc
[10:23] <Kamion> Amaranth: in practice i586 makes very little difference for most code unless it has explicit support
[10:24] <_mp> Kamion: remember the "grub error 21" problem w/HPT370?
[10:24] <Amaranth> but appearing fast and actually running fast are two different things, i'd rather have the first one :)
[10:24] <Kamion> Amaranth: there's a facility in glibc to allow programs to do that without having to remove i386 support
[10:24] <Kamion> _mp: yeah
[10:24] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: i copied it to .themes, it doesn't show up in user interface
[10:25] <paulproteus> ChibiFS: You have little bandwidth.  Here's a mirror I've put up; I'll keep it up for at least a week, or however long you're interested - http://acm.jhu.edu/~paulproteus/mirror/chibico/xfce.png
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> hey Kamion
[10:25] <paulproteus> I have gobs of bandwidth at dot-jhu-dot-edu.
[10:26] <_mp> Kamion: in my case i have kind of solved it - hehe - started Ubuntu install on (hd1,0) and then installed another OS on (hd0,) - both HPT 370, - and then added Ubuntu in the other OS's grub, so now i am finishing the Ubuntu and can enjoy it hopefully in a ETA 22 min's after updating...
[10:27] <Kamion> _mp: can you add whatever new information you have to the bug report in bugzilla? I haven't really had a chance to sit down and think about that bug yet
[10:27] <_mp> Kamion: however, there were some FATL modprobe messages passing by - didn't fully read them..
[10:28] <_mp> Kamion: i will do..
[10:28] <Amaranth> _mp: probably the PCI hotplug modules failing
[10:28] <Amaranth> because your computer doesn't support PCI hotswapping
[10:28] <_mp> Amaranth: yes!
[10:29] <Amaranth> don't worry about it
[10:29] <_mp> Amaranth: do i need to take action?
[10:29] <Amaranth> nope
[10:29] <Amaranth> just ignore it
[10:29] <_mp> Amaranth: excellent, nice one...
[10:29] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: Cool, got your theme working. it likes it. is there a matching wm?
[10:30] <ChibiFS> You can use anything from gnome, paul. It's just a really light environment in GTK
[10:30] <ChibiFS> Agrajag - I'm speaking from slackware to ubuntu, not gentoo
[10:30] <ChibiFS> I've never used gentoo before, Ubuntu kicked my poor little laptop's arse, so I only use it on my server.
[10:30] <ChibiFS> The extra daemons Ubuntu/Debian run sorta hit it, too.
[10:30] <ChibiFS> 16 minutes against 5 minutes on my 586 laptop, ubuntu versus slack. :/
[10:30] <ChibiFS> For starting Mozilla.
[10:30] <ChibiFS> x_x
[10:30] <ChibiFS> Sorry, my IP got pushed just a minute ago.
[10:32] <ChibiFS> I didn't make a windowmanager theme for it, I usually just use whichever one has visible buttons. D:
[10:32] <rsfew> how to install modem driver on ubuntu live?
[10:32] <rsfew> i am new to linux
[10:33] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: just what i was thinking :)
[10:33] <rsfew> help
[10:33] <_mp> Amaranth: thx, btw! :-)
[10:34] <ChibiFS> The one I use with it is one of Olivier's unreleased xfwm4 themes, it's shiney, but he says we're not to spread it around.. So.. :/
[10:35] <bassinboy> :(
[10:35] <Lathiat> rsfew: What kind of modem is it (external or internal)
[10:36] <rsfew> internal modem
[10:36] <wfx> any hint why i have buffer underrun with k3b when i burn a cd (dvd works)
[10:36] <rsfew> how to install it?
[10:36] <Lathiat> rsfew: Thats tricky, you'll have to google for the model of it or something
[10:36] <Lathiat> rsfew: lspci might help identify what kind of modem it is
[10:36] <rsfew> i already had a linux driver for that modem
[10:37] <rsfew> it is smart link modem, i got the driver for linux, just need you to teach me some command
[10:37] <paulproteus> s/internal/infernal/
[10:37] <rattboi> http://paste.plone.org is down
[10:37] <rsfew> ??? i had no idea how to command except enter it in the terminal
[10:37] <rsfew> is it correct?
[10:37] <Gmail> crap when even i gksudo a program it comes up using a wirod gtk2 theme i never change it... why the hell
[10:38] <LiquidSnake> with what kind of applications do you burn cds on ubuntu?
[10:38] <rattboi> someone please check out my make errors and see if I'm an idiot somehow
[10:38] <rattboi> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/MB8WsG75.html
[10:38] <Lathiat> LiquidSnake: You use nautilus for data cds and isos
[10:38] <Amaranth> LiquidSnake: The best one is k3b.
[10:39] <LiquidSnake> as default intall i con not found anyone
[10:39] <Lathiat> LiquidSnake: right click an iso to burn it
[10:39] <LiquidSnake> ok
[10:39] <Amaranth> But k3b is a KDE app, not a GNOME one so including it would look bad. :P
[10:39] <Lathiat> LiquidSnake: or go places->cd creator for making a cd of files
[10:39] <LiquidSnake> i was searching for xdcroast or gtoaster
[10:39] <Lathiat> LiquidSnake: you copy/paste (drag/drop) into there then select write to cd from the menu
[10:39] <Amaranth> i believe it'll be the first cd burning app that doesn't use cdrecord
[10:41] <wfx> Amaranth: which one does not use cdrecord?
[10:41] <LiquidSnake> lol
[10:41] <rattboi> please, someone check out why I can't make this
[10:41] <Amaranth> wfx: coaster, i hope
[10:41] <LiquidSnake> its windows like
[10:41] <rattboi> it's fbsplash
[10:41] <LiquidSnake> hrhrhr
[10:41] <LiquidSnake> nice ditro
[10:41] <LiquidSnake> nice distro
[10:41] <rattboi> Im trying to get the boot splash working
[10:42] <LiquidSnake> good chice for my mothers work
[10:42] <LiquidSnake> good choice for my mothers work
[10:42] <wfx> cd burning does not work for me (at this time but how know how long :-)
[10:42] <rattboi> I'm following this debian guide, but I'm getting a lot (lot) of errors during compile, so it must be something stupid
[10:43] <Amaranth> coaster uses libburn, woohoo
[10:43] <rory__> nah thats normal...
[10:43] <far_away> i wonder why there's hardly anyone at #mepis
[10:43] <cowbud> Amaranth: nautilus-burn-cd doesn't use cdrecord :)
[10:43] <wfx> rattboi:  The 'linux' symlink does not exist!
[10:44] <wfx> oh sorry :)
[10:44] <rattboi> wfx, I fixed that first :P
[10:44] <Amaranth> cowbud: are you sure?
[10:44] <cowbud> Amaranth: pretty sure..
[10:45] <Ribs> How can I upgrade to a 2.6.9 kernel?
[10:45] <Ribs> What package do I need?
[10:45] <cowbud> Amaranth: hrmm though it is in the depends for the package....
[10:45] <cowbud> lame
[10:46] <Amaranth> it uses cdrecord
[10:46] <cowbud> bummer
[10:47] <Amaranth> bleh, i lost my page
[10:47] <rattboi> wfx: do you see anything else obvious?
[10:48] <melazyboy> Ribs: kernel-image-2.6.7.-1-<processer>
[10:48] <Tsjoklat> hey melazyboy
[10:48] <melazyboy> Ribs: if your using a pentium 2+ that would be kernel-image-2.6.8.1-686
[10:48] <melazyboy> Whats up Tsjoklat
[10:49] <Tsjoklat> nada melazyboy
[10:49] <Tsjoklat> shitty sunday/monday
[10:49] <melazyboy> Ekk sorry to hear that
[10:49] <Tsjoklat> how's TX treating you?
[10:49] <Amaranth> Ribs: You'll have to compile from source.
[10:49] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: I spent more money in the past two days on myself than in the past ... 6months ish
[10:50] <Ribs> What's the linux-image package about?
[10:50] <Ribs> That appears to have a 2.6.9 version
[10:50] <melazyboy> Amaranth: Why would he have to compile from source? the image is just that the default tree already compiled
[10:51] <Amaranth> melazyboy: Sure, but there isn't a package for anything higher then 2.6.8
[10:51] <Amaranth> just a kernel-tree-2.6.9
[10:52] <melazyboy> Amaranth: hrm i thought they just released 2.6.8 like uh last week i wonder why if there is a kernel tree for 2.6.9 there is no image for it
[10:52] <wfx> rattboi: have you pathc the kernel?
[10:52] <Amaranth> melazyboy: heh, 2.6.8 is old
[10:52] <Amaranth> 2.6.10 is almost out
[10:53] <HcE> 2.6.8 is broken ;)
[10:53] <melazyboy> Amaranth: Got me, my 2.6.8 is working A ok, i just want fglrx and xorg to work
[10:53] <melazyboy> HcE: Whats wrong with 2.6.8?
[10:53] <Ribs> 2.6.9 fixes some support problems for my hardware, so it's pretty vital I have it :)
[10:53] <Amaranth> Ribs: Have you ever compiled a kernel before?
[10:53] <Ribs> 2.6.8 had a typo in it :)
[10:53] <Ribs> 2.6.8.1 is the fixed version
[10:53] <HcE> melazyboy: nfs was broken in the first release, 2.6.8.1 corrected the issue
[10:53] <b_e_n_z> am i allowed to make some ubuntu cd's and sell them for profit?
[10:53] <Ribs> Amaranth: yes
[10:54] <rattboi> wfx, no but I'm seeing another problem
[10:54] <Amaranth> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 has instructions on how to make a package for a 2.4.x kernel
[10:54] <melazyboy> b_e_n_z: if you can gracefully dance with the wording
[10:54] <Amaranth> most of the stuff applies to 2.6.x kernels too
[10:54] <rattboi> I don't have linux/include/asm
[10:54] <Amaranth> just ignore the part about using SCSI emulation and having to convert your drive to ext3
[10:54] <Ribs> hrm, I think I'm lagged
[10:54] <b_e_n_z> melazyboy: meaning?
[10:55] <rattboi> I have asm-x86, asm-sparc, etc
[10:55] <Ribs> anyway, I *think* I've found a 2.6.9 package... Gonna reboot now. Wish me luck!
[10:55] <Gmail> hello world
[10:55] <melazyboy> b_e_n_z: You don't have the right to sell Ubuntu; with that said, nothing prevents you from selling a CD that just so happens to have Ubuntu on it, and your services for burning the CD.
[10:55] <w_a_s_t_e> hi
[10:56] <b_e_n_z> melazyboy: i got it
[10:56] <Gmail> w
[10:56] <Gmail> w_a_s_t_e: hey
[10:56] <Amaranth> hey, debian sid has 2.6.9 kernel packages
[10:56] <fabbione> so does hoary
[10:57] <Gmail> am285: thats is old
[10:57] <melazyboy> fabbione: They are talking about the image not tree.
[10:57] <fabbione> i am talking about the images
[10:57] <fabbione> <- did them
[10:57] <Gmail> Amaranth: i have been using it for a few days already
[10:57] <Amaranth> Gmail: the 2.6.9 sid packages work fine with ubuntu?
[10:57] <Gmail> Amaranth: uses the hoary ones
[10:58] <fabbione> Amaranth: install linux-image-2.6.9 on ubuntu
[10:58] <Amaranth> oh, linux image
[10:58] <Amaranth> bleh
[10:58] <Amaranth> i've been searching for kernel-image
[10:58] <Ribs> woo!
[10:58] <Ribs> I have sound
[10:58] <Ribs> and a 2.6.9 kernel :)
[10:58] <Gmail> Ribs: i don't have sound
[10:59] <melazyboy> Amaranth: Thats a good question, how come the naming scheme changed, that was also what i was searching for
[10:59] <Ribs> Gmail: I needed a 2.6.9 kernel to get sound
[10:59] <Ribs> Support for my card was only recently introduced.
[11:00] <w_a_s_t_e> anyone using php5 on ubuntu?
[11:00] <Gmail> Ribs: my one is support but still doesn't work
[11:00] <Ribs> ouch
[11:00] <calc> is there a wiki page that explains how to setup postfix to send email to a smarthost?
[11:00] <melazyboy> fabbione: How come linux-image and not kernel-image
[11:00] <poofyhair> I finally got hoary just how I want it
[11:01] <far_away> what's the advantage of using hoary?
[11:01] <sladen> calc: http://www.google.com/search?q=postfix+smarthost+howto
[11:01] <calc> ah nm dpkg-reconfigure -plow will do it automagically for me :)
[11:01] <poofyhair> I hope they fix the problems with k3b before the final release
[11:01] <melazyboy> far_away: your not using a 6month software
[11:02] <sladen> far_away: possibily negative, until it's released---unless you want to help test it
[11:02] <melazyboy> far_away: 6month old software*
[11:02] <poofyhair> advantage oh hoary: firefox 1, I help test it, I'm addicted to daily packages
[11:02] <Amaranth> ok, brb
[11:03] <calc> cool it looks like the postfix debconf is as good as the one for exim4
[11:03] <far_away> melazyboy, sladen, thanks... i get the picture...I thought it was much better or something...
[11:03] <melazyboy> Does the ubuntu-devel team ask that the users report when packages are out of date? or should we assume they know about it
[11:03] <sudoman> how does one use the hfsutils to mount a mac os x volume?
[11:03] <poofyhair> no. they might not know!
[11:03] <melazyboy> far_away: =D i didn't know if it was a change or not, when i do the search with linux-* im seeing 2.8s as well
[11:03] <poofyhair> tell them
[11:03] <sladen> sudoman: support should be in the kernel;  just mount it
[11:04] <melazyboy> poofyhair: through email or #ubuntu-devel?
[11:04] <paulproteus> sudoman: I think you just do
[11:04] <sudoman> sladen: thanks. how do I do that? I just installed this
[11:04] <paulproteus> mount /dev/whatever /mnt/location
[11:04] <paulproteus> Do you know its partition number, sudoman?
[11:04] <sudoman> sladen: man hfsutils works too..
[11:04] <sladen> melazyboy: file a bug on  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com  if something gets out of date
[11:05] <melazyboy> sudoman: just like paul said but with -t hfs option
[11:05] <sudoman> paulproteus: i don't know
[11:05] <poofyhair> email
[11:05] <sudoman> thanks y'all
[11:05] <poofyhair> yor post on forums
[11:05] <far_away> A general ./configure question... Suppose I have php running on my server, and I want to configure it with a new option. Do I just do the ./configure --options-go-here -> make -> make install again? do the old executables get overwritten or something?
[11:05] <fabbione> melazyboy, sladen
[11:05] <fabbione> melazyboy, sladen: no
[11:05] <fabbione> 2.6.9 is not the default kernel yet
[11:05] <mjr> 2,5
[11:05] <fabbione> it's prefectly normal to have 2 kernels at the same time
[11:06] <melazyboy> fabbione: I know that...
[11:06] <fabbione> 2.6.9 has some regressions that needs fixes
[11:06] <bob2> far_away: erm, php is packaged in ubuntu
[11:06] <bob2> far_away: with just about every possible option
[11:06] <poofyhair> I tried 2.6.9 in sid, was the final straw that sent me to ubuntu
 far_away: =D i didn't know if it was a change or not, when i do
[11:06] <fabbione>             the search with linux-* im seeing 2.8s as well
 melazyboy: file a bug on  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com  if something
[11:07] <melazyboy> fabbione: Right that applies to the fact that the same images are under both linux-image and kernel-image, and i assumed that was intended, and was wondering if they where making that a convention
[11:08] <melazyboy> fabbione: I could see a case being made to rename kernel-image to linux-image
[11:08] <fabbione> they are not same packages
[11:08] <poofyhair> best ubuntu trick: sudo apt-get linux-686
[11:08] <fabbione> kernel-* is from debian
[11:08] <fabbione> linux-* from ubuntu
[11:08] <poofyhair> *best ubuntu trick: sudo apt-get install linux-686
[11:08] <far_away> bob2, no, just about the general case - not when using deb packages
[11:09] <bob2> far_away: in general you may need to rebuild the whole thing...there's a reason people use the packages ;)
[11:09] <melazyboy> fabbione: i didn't know that, im seeing both right now -- so i take it linux-image will remain the naming convention for ubuntu?
[11:10] <fabbione> correct
[11:10] <far_away> bob2  do the old executables get overwritten or something?
[11:10] <melazyboy> fabbione: How come im seeing the debian packages then when there is already a ubuntu counterpart?
[11:10] <bob2> far_away: by rebuilding? probably.
[11:10] <fabbione> melazyboy: because we don't kill debian...
[11:10] <fabbione> kerne-* is in universe = unsupported
[11:11] <fabbione> if you don't want to see them, just kill universe
[11:11] <calc> if there is something in universe that someone wants to see go into main, is there a process for that?
[11:11] <melazyboy> fabbione: hrm, is the universe a mirror of debian woody?
[11:11] <fabbione> no. read it on the wiki. these are all FAQ
[11:12] <Nexinarus> hmm, ubuntu thinks dvd's are cd's
[11:12] <fabbione> calc: mail ubuntu-devel for somekind of consensum/discussion/etc.
[11:12] <Nexinarus> for me, on this cd/dvd combo laptop drive
[11:12] <fabbione> Nexinarus: most DVD are written in the same format as CD. expect they are bigger
[11:12] <calc> fabbione: ok
[11:13] <poofyhair> its sid
[11:13] <sladen> Nexinarus: DVDs are just 'large CDs'
[11:13] <Nexinarus> it wont play the dvd's, it says "cannot find /dev/dvd
[11:13] <calc> since unrar does not support any recent rar files ;)
[11:13] <bob2> calc: you can edit the wiki
[11:13] <poofyhair> universe and multiverse is snapshots os sid taken twice a year
[11:15] <Gmail> I FIXED MY SOUND WOOOT
[11:15] <Gmail> i put the speakers in the mic port and booom
[11:16] <paulproteus> ...?
[11:16] <_mp> Kamion: i posted it on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2254 - there are also links to some possible solution in comments made by ccheney@debian.org
[11:16] <paulproteus> I think you've probably mis-identified the ports, Gmail.
[11:16] <Gmail> paulproteus: no i didn't
[11:16] <Gmail> its impossible
[11:17] <Gmail> my one has a HUGE picture of the item above the port in the same color at the port
[11:17] <Gmail> and it even says what is what in the manule
[11:17] <paulproteus> Heh, okay.
[11:18] <Gmail> paulproteus: cound be a hardware fault that the mic & speaker port where mixed up
[11:18] <wood1> Hey Amaranth, how are you?
[11:18] <wood1> How was your birthday party yesterday ?
[11:19] <Amaranth> it was good
[11:19] <Amaranth> machine working?
[11:19] <wood1> Well I have not checked it yet
[11:19] <Gmail> for a dev version gnome 2.9.1 has not that many ovous bugs
[11:20] <wood1> Some body else is using that Test PC with Windows XP
[11:20] <Amaranth> i found one problem with those instuctions i gave you
[11:20] <wood1> But 1 thing that I don't understand is that how do we actually install the Kernels and other software in the /   partition
[11:20] <Amaranth> they use lilo, you use grub
[11:21] <wood1> Yesterday we did that only on the Swap Partition
[11:21] <Amaranth> you would be much better off just putting a CD-ROM drive in the system
[11:21] <Amaranth> what i was having you do is known as a massive hack
[11:22] <wood1> Well that is fine with me
[11:22] <wood1> How do we actually do the installation ?
[11:23] <Amaranth> well, its something i could probably do but i don't think i could explain it :P
[11:23] <Amaranth> is that machine at all accessible from the outside world?
[11:24] <melazyboy> wtf, is googles front index down?
[11:24] <melazyboy> www.google.com, its blank, www.google.com/search?q=asdf works
[11:24] <tommie_> google.com is normal :-)
[11:24] <Amaranth> google.com is blank
[11:24] <wood1> I use google.com.au
[11:24] <Nexinarus> hmm weird
[11:24] <melazyboy> ... AmaranthL so your seeing the same thing?
[11:25] <Amaranth> yep
[11:25] <Amaranth> seeing it from google.com.au too
[11:25] <calc> cool my email is working :)
[11:25] <paulproteus> Google.com works for me.
[11:25] <wood1> Why don't I get the www.google.com  only
[11:25] <Amaranth> wood1: automatic redirect based on IP
[11:26] <wood1> It's changes to my country's suffix automatically
[11:26] <Amaranth> it ranks AUS sites higher with that search
[11:26] <wood1> How do I disable automatic redirect based on IP ?
[11:26] <Amaranth> wood1: get a US IP address :P
[11:26] <calc> seems to be much quicker at delivering mail too
[11:26] <wood1> Well I have to typegoogle.com.au manually
[11:26] <melazyboy> hahha thats funny
[11:26] <Amaranth> wood1: try google.com
[11:26] <melazyboy> google page, has <html><body></body></html>
[11:27] <Amaranth> melazyboy: Yeah, thats what Gecko puts in for a page that outputs nothing.
[11:27] <wood1> Typing google.com  => www.google.com.np
[11:27] <melazyboy> and they just put out an article saying they haven't had a second of downtime since like 1998
[11:27] <Amaranth> it isn't down
[11:27] <Amaranth> just a bug on the main page
[11:28] <melazyboy> the index page is broke
[11:28] <melazyboy> for anyone not using a search bar, or knowing query string convention its as good as down.
[11:28] <wood1> What exactly is wrong with www.google.com
[11:28] <melazyboy> and chek this out
[11:28] <bob2> .np?
[11:28] <melazyboy> the /images on google is broke too
[11:28] <melazyboy> run a query www.google.com/search?q=asdf
[11:29] <wezzer> google works ok for me
[11:29] <melazyboy> the google logo on the top left isn't loading
[11:29] <wood1> bob2, .np = nepal
[11:29] <melazyboy> the /webhp down too
[11:29] <bob2> ah
[11:29] <Amaranth> it might not even be google's fault
[11:30] <Nexinarus> every dvd app thinks the dvd is at /dev/dvd, but all i have is /dev/cdrom. Yet making a soft link dvd to cdrom doesnt help anything. What can i do?
[11:30] <Amaranth> i can't remember the name of the company
[11:31] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: Make a hard link?
[11:31] <Amaranth> Nexinarus: you tried sudo ln -s /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd?
[11:31] <bob2> Nexinarus: erm, are you sure?
[11:31] <bob2> melazyboy: no
[11:31] <wood1> Amaranth, does the Nautilas Burner support Multiple Session for CD-R discs ?
[11:31] <Amaranth> i doubt it
[11:31] <wezzer> does Nautilus burner support dvd's?
[11:31] <Nexinarus> ill try a hard link now
[11:32] <bob2> no
[11:32] <Nexinarus> yeah Amaranth i did that,
[11:32] <bob2> just make a symlink from /dev/dvd to /dev/hdc
[11:32] <Kamion> _mp: yeah, I know, the bug's assigned to me so I get mails about it; I just haven't had time to sit down and think about it for a while, that's all :)
[11:32] <Amaranth> wezzer: get k3b
[11:32] <wezzer> Amaranth: I had that, and it crashed gnome
[11:32] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: Shares the same inode shoudlen't that make it point to the exact same thing as /dev/cdrom or does that not work with the /dev/ folder?
[11:32] <wezzer> then I asked here and got instructions to delete ~/.ICEauthority
[11:33] <Amaranth> wezzer: You have to be careful setting up k3b
[11:33] <Amaranth> or it'll trash GNOME
[11:33] <bob2> no it won't
[11:33] <Amaranth> there is a howto for it in the wiki
[11:33] <bob2> it will just stop X starting
[11:33] <Amaranth> oh?
[11:33] <wezzer> I followed orders on HOWTO-page
[11:33] <Amaranth> i thought it stopped GNOME
[11:33] <Nexinarus> bob: i dont have hdc?
[11:33] <bob2> Nexinarus: then where is your cdrom device?
[11:34] <Amaranth> Nexinarus: primary slave?
[11:34] <Amaranth> if so its /dev/hdb
[11:34] <jab> anyone got experience with external dvd-burner?
[11:34] <jab> not sure how to connect it.. and get i working.
[11:34] <bob2> Nexinarus: what are you using to play dvds?
[11:34] <Amaranth> jab: is it USB?
[11:34] <wood1> Amaranth, If I install Debian Woody, how can I upgrade it to Ubuntu Warty ?
[11:35] <jab> Amaranth: yup
[11:35] <Nexinarus> gxine, and vlc
[11:35] <Amaranth> jab: it should just automagically be found :)
[11:35] <Nexinarus> both error
[11:35] <Amaranth> wood1: you can't, unless you like headaches
[11:35] <bob2> Nexinarus: configure them to use the actual dvd device
[11:35] <jab> Amaranth: hihi, i hope so
[11:35] <bob2> \this hardlinking usggestion is utter crack
[11:36] <Nexinarus> hmm
[11:36] <ctd> Who's hardlinking? where? what? why?
[11:36] <Amaranth> wood1: just pull a CDROM drive from another machine and put it in that one temporarily
[11:36] <bob2> ctd: in the FACE
[11:36] <wood1> Well I want to install Woody 3, it seems challenging
[11:37] <ctd> bob2: Enough of shameless self-promotion.
[11:37] <Nexinarus> i wish i kne how to configure them where the actual dvd device is,
[11:37] <wood1> I heard that Ubuntu Warty supports upgrading from Debian Woody 3
[11:37] <bob2> Nexinarus: they don\'t have a preference thing? or command line options?
[11:37] <bob2> wood1: are you sure? check the website.
[11:37] <bob2> Nexinarus: what is your dvd device, anyway?
[11:37] <Amaranth> wood1: I did it, it doesn't work right.
[11:38] <Amaranth> It'll work ok until the first version conflict.
[11:38] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: there is a newer version of VLC in debian sid, like 6 bugfixes
[11:38] <wood1> Ubuntu mentions that it supports upgrade from Woody
[11:38] <wood1> I am sure
[11:38] <twilit> Amaranth: but can one upgrade from debian (testing) to ubuntu? using apt ?
[11:38] <Nexinarus> How do i get the newer version of vlc, all i see is 0.7.2 (old) ?
[11:38] <Amaranth> twilit: You can try. :p
[11:38] <bob2> Nexinarus: I really doubt that is the problem
[11:38] <Amaranth> Again, it works fine until the first version conflict.
[11:38] <twilit> Amaranth: sweet!!
[11:38] <bob2> Nexinarus: are you really really really sure that making the /dev/dvd symlink doesn't help?
[11:38] <Nexinarus> yeah something stupid is happening,
[11:39] <twilit> Maybe i need not wait for my CDs
[11:39] <Nexinarus> ill try again,
[11:39] <Nexinarus> vlc just about worked (the dvd drive span)
[11:39] <Amaranth> twilit: If you're going to try to upgrade like that you might as well just download the ISO off the website and burn a CD.
[11:40] <wood1> Amaranth should we restart the SSH thing to remotely install Hoary on the Problematic Machine ?
[11:40] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: type this as root 'echo deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable contrib main non-free >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[11:40] <Amaranth> wood1: I don't feel confortable trying to guide you through that.
[11:40] <Amaranth> You're more likely to end up with a machine that can't boot at all.
[11:40] <twilit> Amaranth: ok. i have been putting this upgrade off out of laziness & ignorance
[11:41] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: apt-get update, and apt-get install vlc, then remove that line from your sources.list, and re update to rid your db of sid
[11:41] <Nexinarus> hmelazyboy, does that work for ubuntu or only other debian releases?
[11:41] <housetier> Nexinarus instead of mixing debian and ubuntu repositories you could just download the .deb from packages.debian.org
[11:41] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: Or comment it out and switch between sid and hoary like i do =D
[11:41] <housetier> or pin it to hoary
[11:41] <Amaranth> melazyboy: I was doing that too.
[11:41] <Nexinarus> hmm,
[11:41] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: Works for ubuntu im using a mix of ubuntu, and sid
[11:41] <Gmail> what do people think of xchat-gnome ?? it wound be nice if they used irssi as the core but the rewrite wasn't started when they started
[11:41] <Amaranth> Bad idea. :P
[11:41] <melazyboy> hoary and sid rather
[11:42] <housetier> I'd never mix repositories without pinning
[11:43] <melazyboy> Amaranth: Don't care =D live dangerously they are essentially the same thing anyway, net install sid, install xorg, and gnome, totem, evolution, gaim and openoffice, and you get a rough equivelent to ubuntu =/
[11:43] <housetier> not everyone wants to be "livin' on the edge"
[11:44] <housetier> <insert jon bon jovi here>
[11:44] <Amaranth> melazyboy: Except that ubuntu's packages have 'ubuntu-x' on the end of the version.
[11:44] <melazyboy> hahaha
[11:44] <Amaranth> oh, no -
[11:44] <melazyboy> Amaranth: Right and when the number version differs to the point where ubuntu takes the lead, it will kick in when i apt-get dist-upgrade, because i take special precaution not to break ubuntu-desktop
[11:45] <Amaranth> sounds like a headache
[11:45] <Amaranth> same packages just a little later
[11:45] <wood1> Is compiling a different Kernel supported in Ubuntu ?
[11:45] <wood1> Well hoary is good only for test purposes
[11:46] <wood1> It gives nothing much than Warty till now
[11:46] <twilit> xorg ??
[11:46] <Amaranth> wood1: except GNOME 2.9.x and xorg, of course
[11:46] <Kamion> sure, you can compile a different kernel if you like
[11:46] <Amaranth> the two largest pieces of the desktop system
[11:46] <Kamion> we won't support the kernel you build though
[11:46] <melazyboy> wood1: my kernel is custom compiled
[11:46] <wood1> Hoary has messed up my machine so badly that I can't even do:  apt-get upgrade
[11:47] <Kamion> Hoary is not for beginners
[11:47] <twilit> Amaranth: can one install xorg from the unreleased ubuntu on a regular debian -unstable system ?
[11:47] <wood1> As for XOrg, that's just there for test purposes
[11:47] <Ng> far far far too many people are running hoary with no clue what it is
[11:47] <Ng> :(
[11:47] <Kamion> apt-get often gets confused by strange situations; non-beginners can generally deal with it
[11:47] <Nexinarus> alternatively i could rip the dvd, though im new to ripping in linux (done it in windows)
[11:47] <fabbione> twilit: no.. i don't suggest to do that
[11:47] <wood1> Well I did not see the difference between XOrg and XFree86
[11:47] <twilit> fabbione: ok
[11:48] <Amaranth> Kamion: My solution usually ends up being dpkg --force-all ;)
[11:48] <twilit> fabbione: thanks
[11:48] <melazyboy> XOrg, sucks, that was the only move i regret on this install im just to lazy to revert back to XFree86
[11:48] <Kamion> wood1: no, you aren't really supposed to be able to yet :-)
[11:48] <Kamion> Amaranth: that's bad ...
[11:48] <Ng> wood1: that's because the differences are internal, and the new features aren't exploited yet
[11:48] <Amaranth> Kamion: Yeah, I know.
[11:48] <LiquidSnake> hi
[11:48] <Amaranth> But only for individual packages.
[11:48] <Kamion> Amaranth: I know somebody who used that carelessly on an individual package and had his /sbin replaced by a file
[11:48] <LiquidSnake> anyone knows a program what runs well under ubuntu like mldonkey?
[11:48] <wood1> But if you have some fun machine to play with, you can install Hoary on it
[11:48] <Amaranth> o_O
[11:48] <Amaranth> Ouch!
[11:48] <Kamion> Amaranth: have you looked at what --force-all implies?
[11:49] <Amaranth> yep
[11:49] <Kamion> --force-overwrite-dir is CRACK :-)
[11:49] <melazyboy> i upgraded to Xorg, then i got the rude awakening my video drivers won't work, now my gnome experiene is inepted, and i lost complete 3d use
[11:49] <Amaranth> basically do whatever you want, just leave me alone :P
[11:49] <Ng> LiquidSnake: amule
[11:49] <LiquidSnake> anyone knows somthing?
[11:49] <LiquidSnake> amule?
[11:49] <Amaranth> melazyboy: That is not the fault of xorg.
[11:49] <LiquidSnake> really?
[11:49] <Ng> melazyboy: install warty and be happy
[11:49] <housetier> LiquidSnake mldonkey
[11:49] <LiquidSnake> nopes
[11:49] <melazyboy> Ng: This gives me incentive to write nasty letters to ATI
[11:49] <davmor2> melazyboy with xorg up and running some of the effects you can get are quite outstanding
[11:49] <housetier> ohyes
[11:49] <Ng> melazyboy: yeah, because *that*'s a good idea
[11:50] <Ng> NOT
[11:50] <housetier> LiquidSnake just compile it yourself
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> : undefined reference to `camlzip_inflate'
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> collect2: ld devolvi el estado de salida 1
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> Error during linking
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> make: *** [mlnet]  Error 2
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> nopes
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> ive installed gcc
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> and tryed to complie it
[11:50] <housetier> LiquidSnake did you install zlib?
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> but only errors
[11:50] <Ng> LiquidSnake: install amule, it should be in universe or something
[11:50] <housetier> libzlib maybe
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> mm
[11:50] <twilit> seems my i830/nvidiaand ati are all undesirable
[11:50] <Ng> mldonkey isn't exactly the friendliest edonkey client
[11:50] <LiquidSnake> ok i will try with apt
[11:51] <davmor2> melazyboy but then I'm using a half decent nvidia fx chipset
[11:51] <housetier> ng you speak from experience?
[11:51] <Ng> twilit: I'm using nvidia drivers with hoary's Xorg fine
[11:51] <Ng> housetier: in that I run mldonkey and amule, yes
[11:51] <LiquidSnake> not found on apt
[11:51] <Amaranth> melazyboy: What kind of Radeon do you have?
[11:51] <twilit> Ng: nice
[11:51] <LiquidSnake>  libzlib not found at lists of apt
[11:51] <melazyboy> davmor2: Lucky you =D im using ATI and im a very *dis*satisfied customer..
[11:51] <melazyboy> Amaranth: 9800
[11:52] <housetier> LiquidSnake you will need zlib1g-dev
[11:52] <davmor2> you can't play doom3 either yet can you
[11:52] <LiquidSnake> ok 'll try it
[11:52] <Amaranth> ouch
[11:52] <Amaranth> dri only goes up to9250
[11:52] <LiquidSnake> 9% [1 zlib1g-dev 37480/404kB 9%] 
[11:52] <LiquidSnake> nice
[11:52] <housetier> LiquidSnake also try #mldonkey
[11:52] <Amaranth> thats why i'll never buy a radeon card higher then a 9250 :P
[11:53] <melazyboy> Amaranth: Smart move.. ATI is a horrable company
[11:53] <Amaranth> melazyboy: I'll probably never buy an nVidia card though. :P
[11:53] <Amaranth> Open source drivers > *
[11:53] <melazyboy> Amaranth: There drivers for windows are subpar, there drivers for linux are laughable...
[11:53] <LiquidSnake> it seems to work
[11:54] <paulproteus> I'm running Warty.  I'm trying to create a presentation in OpenOffice.org.  Unfortunately, it seems to come with no templates.
[11:54] <paulproteus> I have installed openoffice.org-l10n-en , which seems like it's supposed to include templates.  But none appear in the drop-down list when the Presentation creation program starts.
[11:54] <jab> Amaranth: ok, no i've connected the usb-dvd-burner. What /dev/xxxx is it? It's not 'sda1'
[11:54] <davmor2> melazyboy mind you although you can't play doom3 yet you win be glad to hear that ati are working to improve and create workarounds for linux according to linux format who interview them at ati
[11:55] <jab> how do i see what hardware is connected?
[11:55] <iz> jab dmesg ?
[11:55] <Ng> hal-device-manager should show you everything connected
[11:55] <Ng> I think
[11:55] <Ng> I don't have a warty box to hand to check
[11:55] <Amaranth> jab: I had hoped hal would pick it up just like it does for flash and HD based usb devices :/
[11:55] <jab> iz: at boot yes. I've connected somtething after boot.
[11:56] <jab> hal?
[11:56] <melazyboy> davmor2: Im not asking for something i think is unreasonable, they dont have it even mentioned in their FAQ about the new version of Xorg, no caveat, on either side, Xorg or ATI, ATI documentation blows, and their drivers are notoriously subpar when compaired to the nvidia counterpart
[11:56] <LiquidSnake> sh*t
[11:56] <LiquidSnake> Building dependencies
[11:56] <LiquidSnake> The following modules will not be compiled: { donkey(no Zlib) audio_galaxy(obsolete) open_napster direct_connect gnutella(no Zlib) gnutella2(no Zlib) soulseek openFT(obsolete) donkey_server donkey_client mldonkey_gui$(EXE) mldonkey_gui2$(EXE) mlchat$(EXE) }
[11:56] <Ng> isn't mldonkey in universe? why are you compiling it?
[11:57] <davmor2> how can I install xorg on my warty system then please I haven't seen it anywhere
[11:57] <LiquidSnake> just make ?
[11:57] <melazyboy> davmor2: I would like to know the date that they are shooting for releasing the new fglrx, if it pays to rollback or not
[11:57] <melazyboy> davmor2: Xorg is in hoary only not warty
[11:57] <LiquidSnake> i compiled it on all my linux boxes as this way
[11:57] <bob2> davmor2: x.org on warty is not uspported by anyone...
[11:57] <Amaranth> LiquidSnake: apt-get install zlibc?
[11:58] <bob2> davmor2: a debian guy made backports for sarge that may work, but you may not be able to upgrade to hoary later
[11:58] <housetier> LiquidSnake just "make" it now
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> root@UbuntuLinux:/home/doris # apt-get install zlibc
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete zlibc
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> mm
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> i will make
[11:58] <Ng> you want zlib1g-dev
[11:58] <LiquidSnake> i had
[11:58] <Ng> of course it would be easier to just install the mldonkey-server package, but what do I know
[11:58] <housetier> LiquidSnake there are several build instructions out there, and do try #mldonkey
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> root@UbuntuLinux:/home/doris # apt-get install zlib1g-dev
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Se instalarn los siguientes paquetes NUEVOS:
[11:59] <LiquidSnake>   zlib1g-dev
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> 0 actualizados, 1 se instalarn, 0 para eliminar y 10 no actualizados.
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Necesito descargar 404kB de archivos.
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Se utilizarn 582kB de espacio de disco adicional despus de desempaquetar.
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Des:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main zlib1g-dev 1:1.2.1.1-3ubuntu1 [404kB] Descargados 404kB en 19s (20,5kB/s)
[11:59] <bob2> LiquidSnake: please don't paste in here
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Preconfiguring packages ...
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> Seleccionando el paquete zlib1g-dev previamente no seleccionado.
[11:59] <Gmail> OMG MS fonts suck
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> (Leyendo la base de datos ...
[11:59] <jab> omg
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> it already installed
[11:59] <bob2> especially in non-english languages
[11:59] <davmor2> bob2: is hoary stable enough for a novice (not really a programmer, although learning, x windows user) to use
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> ok
[11:59] <LiquidSnake> sorry
[11:59] <Ng> davmor2: NO
[11:59] <melazyboy> fyi: there is a flood bot
[11:59] <bob2> just don't do it again
[11:59] <Ng> davmor2: hoary isn't even slightly stable
[11:59] <bob2> davmor2: no
[11:59] <ogra> davmor2: no
[11:59] <jab> LiquidSnake: use a pastebin-site.
[11:59] <davmor2> didn't think so
[12:00] <Amaranth> LiquidSnake: zlib1g-dev is installed?
[12:00] <ogra> LiquidSnake: or #flood
[12:00] <Ng> hoary needs some big "DO NOT USE ME" warnings ;)
[12:00] <LiquidSnake> Amaranth, yep allready
[12:00] <Amaranth> and so is zlibc?
[12:00] <LiquidSnake> zlibc not found on apt lists
[12:00] <Amaranth> are you using hoary or warty?
[12:00] <housetier> LiquidSnake just make it already
[12:00] <calc> Ng: why?
[12:00] <calc> Ng: works good here
[12:01] <LiquidSnake> im doing
[12:01] <Ng> calc: so people who can't handle a broken debian install don't keep using it
[12:01] <davmor2> just want xorg loved the translucent windows and stuff but i'll just wait for the stable version later
[12:01] <LiquidSnake> Error during linking
[12:01] <calc> Ng: ah
[12:01] <LiquidSnake> make: *** [mlnet]  Error 2
[12:01] <housetier> LiquidSnake you will end up with a binary "mlnet" which is all you need and do try to /join #mldonkey
[12:01] <Kamion> Amaranth: you don't want zlibc
[12:01] <calc> it seems no worse than sid ;)
[12:01] <Ng> calc: indeed, but sid is hardly a good choice if you have no debian clue
[12:01] <Kamion> calc: you're not a Debian novice
[12:01] <calc> true
[12:02] <calc> and even when i was i wasn't a linux novice :)
[12:02] <melazyboy> I happen to like sid and hoary, the majority of what i have learned about both distros has been in pursuit of fixing shit that randomly broke
[12:03] <melazyboy> good learning expereinces
[12:03] <melazyboy> Day changed to 06 Dec 2004 <-- and with that, im going to bed.
[12:03] <jab> Ng: i get a error when trying to run 'hal-device-manager'. Import gtk.
[12:03] <melazyboy> its 5am here
[12:03] <paulproteus> 6 here.  Oops.
[12:04] <Amaranth> 5am here :)
[12:04] <davmor2> 11am here
[12:04] <wezzer> 1pm here
[12:05] <calc> Kamion: any new info about the grub error 21 fix on fedora?
[12:05] <wezzer> is it good idea to burn dvd-images with k3b?
[12:06] <wezzer> if those dvd's are shipped to far away and they _must_ work
[12:06] <calc> i'll try dissecting the grub src rpm to see if there is a patch lurking
[12:07] <calc> wow they have lots of patches in fact
[12:08] <Kamion> calc: no, sorry, haven't had a chance to look; I only ended up effectively doing grub maintenance as a sideline from installer work
[12:08] <davmor2> wezzer i've not had a problem using cd creator to burn ISO images and using bchunk to convert bin/cue image to iso
[12:08] <calc> ok
[12:09] <Kamion> calc: I should have a look through the RH patches though, I guess
[12:10] <calc> i don't see anything immediately obvious
[12:11] <calc> and this is still all going of the word of someone else saying it really does work on fedora ;)
[12:11] <calc> i didn't have time to try installing fedora on it to verify before i had to give him his system back
[12:12] <davmor2> wezzer and I'm still novice status at linux and ubuntu
[12:12] <wezzer> ok
[12:12] <calc> but some of the patches do look interesting
[12:12] <wezzer> the problem is, that my friend burned dvd's with his linux and they don't work in dvd-players
[12:12] <calc> not related to the bug though
[12:12] <davmor2> wezzer I couldn't actually get k3b to work properly so I just look for a work around
[12:13] <wezzer> but I don't know is it because linux or dvd-drive
[12:13] <wood1> By the way, I installed Ubuntu Warty from an earlier release in September. How do I change my version of Gnome Terminal from 2.73 to 2.8
[12:14] <davmor2> wezzer my iso's have both vcd and dvd but only proper iso's don't just rename the bin file
[12:14] <calc> wood1: just apt-get update;apt-get upgrade
[12:14] <toresbe> ploum: Goede dag
[12:14] <ploum> Hello toresbe
[12:16] <wood1> calc, I have already done that. There terminal version is still 2.7.3 ?
[12:16] <davmor2> wezzer but k3b worked fine when I tried Fedora Core 3 and that burnt them fine
[12:17] <wezzer> okay
[12:17] <Gmail> can i download a src rpm and rebuild it for ubuntu in a deb?
[12:17] <wezzer> I burn 25 of these on windows and then maybe move on to ubuntu
[12:17] <calc> wood1: hmm just upgrading should fix it as far as i know
[12:17] <davmor2> wood1 so is mine i got final release
[12:18] <wood1> davmor2 which version do you get now ?
[12:18] <wood1> I still have 2.7.3
[12:18] <davmor2> wood1 2.7.3 the same as you
[12:19] <davmor2> wood1 not need to update it works fine
[12:19] <wood1> I do apt-get update , apt-get upgrade , apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:19] <wood1> everyday
[12:23] <wood1> But the Gnome Terminal Version is still 2.7.3
[12:23] <wood1> How do I change that to 2.8 ?
[12:24] <Amaranth> in hoary?
[12:24] <wood1> No it Warty ?
[12:25] <Amaranth> oh, no idea
[12:25] <wood1> In Hoary, it's 2.9.2
[12:25] <jdub> wood1: you don't need to
[12:25] <ogra> wood1: if you run them in this order, apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade are redundant....just use dist-upgrade
[12:25] <Amaranth> if they don't have a 2.8 then it must have have changed from 2.7.3
[12:25] <jdub> wood1: there were no significant changes in 2.8.0; 2.7.3 was the version released for gnome 2.8
[12:26] <wood1> Well I do dist-upgrade several times a day, why is the version still 2.7.3
[12:26] <jdub> wood1: because warty is released and stable, that is, there are no changes beyond security and high impact bug fixes.
[12:27] <Gmail> can i download a src rpm and rebuild it for ubuntu in a deb? using alien of couse???
[12:31] <Gmail> can i download a src rpm and rebuild it for ubuntu in a deb? using alien of couse?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[12:32] <HcE> Gmail: I think your ?-key got locked ;)
[12:33] <Gmail> ROTFL
[12:36] <daniels> Gmail: seriously, you only need one.  and i'm sure google knows the answer.
[12:36] <daniels> Gmail: (if no-one answers the first time, it's impolite to keep asking.)
[12:37] <housetier> this gmail who we are talking about...
[12:39] <Gmail> daniels: need one what?
[12:39] <housetier> .oO(one more brain)
[12:40] <daniels> Gmail: question mark.
[12:40] <daniels> housetier: please be polite.
[12:41] <housetier> its difficult but I will try
[12:41] <Gmail> daniels: well when i use one no one answered me then when i used 2 it didn't help then 3 no help then 100 and you replied
[12:41] <wood1> By the way, does some body have some ideas why the Screen resolution in Hoary is only 640 x 480 ?
[12:42] <ctd> Gmail: I think you'll find daniels wasn't replying to necassarily help you.
[12:42] <wood1> I have tried almost everything
[12:42] <daniels> Gmail: yes, only because I wasn't looking at IRC when you asked the first two times.  asking repeatedly, let alone with thousands of question marks, is implite.  if you can't be polite, then I'm going to ask you to leave.  clear?
[12:42] <Gmail> ctd: i know
[12:42] <wood1> What is the command to reconfigure XOrg settings ?
[12:42] <fabbione> Gmail: your way of grabbing people attention is really annoying
[12:42] <fabbione> wood1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:42] <Gmail> dpkg-reconfiregure xserver-xorg
[12:43] <Gmail> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:44] <wood1> Well it did not work that command
[12:44] <fabbione> wood1: did you customize your configuration manually?
[12:46] <Gmail> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:47] <Gmail> i am making a xchat-gnome package
[12:47] <Gmail> who do i talk to it being added into the rep to?
[12:48] <Gmail> i guess it wound be the debian bug tracker
[12:48] <daniels> Gmail: is it based off the existing xchat package, or are you starting from scratch again?
[12:49] <daniels> Gmail: here's a hint -- if you annoy everyone in the channel, you might no longer be quite so welcome
[12:50] <Gmail> daniels: no its xchat-gnome not xchat
[12:52] <housetier> xchat-gnome is another frontend for xchat, its not being developped by zed
[12:52] <Nexinarus> are there any download resumers for ubuntu?
[12:52] <ChibiFS> firefox does it automatically :P
[12:53] <Nexinarus> resumes?
[12:53] <ChibiFS> Yes. If the file is incomplete.
[12:53] <Nexinarus> on disconnections i mean,
[12:53] <Gmail> d4x is the best downloader
[12:54] <Ribs> okay
[12:54] <Ribs> I'm trying to make my own kernel here
[12:54] <Ribs> I've installed kernel-source package
[12:54] <paulproteus> Nexinarus: You're talking about DCC transfer; while ChibiFS and Gmail are talking about web downloading.
[12:54] <Ribs> symlinked /usr/src/linux to where the kernel is
[12:54] <Ribs> I've make menuconfig'd then make then make modules_install
[12:54] <Ribs> So now, how do I add an entry into grub?
[12:54] <Nexinarus> nah im talking about web downloading
[12:55] <Ribs> I'm used to specifiying 'bzImage', but no other entry even uses that file.
[12:55] <paulproteus> Oh, I see.
[12:55] <paulproteus> Ribs: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html will serve you best.
[12:55] <Nexinarus> guess i said "disconnections" a little wrong heh
[12:55] <Ribs> thanks
[12:56] <paulproteus> For compatibility with Ubuntu's kernels, when you do make-kpkg kernel_image, do make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image instead.
[12:56] <ctd> Nexinarus: Use the '-r' option for wget
[12:57] <paulproteus> Or "-c" for "--continue".
[12:57] <paulproteus> ctd: "-r" is recursive.  That's not what he wants, I think.
[12:57] <ctd> paulproteus: Sorry, get those ones mixed around some time.
[12:58] <paulproteus> No problem :).
[12:59] <Nexinarus> a cool,
[01:01] <wood1> Amaranth, are you still there?
[01:02] <Ribs> make-kpkg --append-to-version=.06122004-custom --initrd kernel_image
[01:02] <Ribs> does that look okay, paulproteus ?
[01:02] <wood1> Can somebody here guide me to setup Ubuntu on a Remote Machine using SSH and a broadband internet connection ?
[01:03] <lifeless> thom whats the local archive for the conf ?
[01:04] <rory__> look on the wiki for how to install ubuntu using knoppix
[01:04] <Nexinarus> Aha i have finally got dvd's to play!
[01:05] <Nexinarus> If anyone is interested, my first problem was that i linked /dev/dvd to /dev/cdrom (as i have a combo drive) but i forgot to set read permission priviliages. secondly i didnt have libdvdcss2 installed so i couldnt play encrypted dvd's. Now they play perfect
[01:07] <paulproteus> Ribs: Sure. :)
[01:07] <paulproteus> Oh, wait, ribs.
[01:07] <paulproteus> run this at a console:
[01:07] <paulproteus> date -I
[01:07] <paulproteus> It outputs the date in ISO format.  ISO format has a lot of advantages, and you should put them to work for you in your kernel package version.
[01:07] <paulproteus> so:
[01:07] <paulproteus> make-kpkg --append-to-version=.`date -I`-custom --initrd kernel_image
[01:08] <paulproteus> The backticks will capture the output of "date -I" and put it there; so that way, it comes out nice and clean and readable, and it sorts correctly, and it's automatic.
[01:08] <Ribs> I'm not aborting it twice :P
[01:09] <Ribs> is it required to be in ISO format?
[01:09] <Ribs> It's just a name, right?
[01:09] <paulproteus> Ribs: Sure, just a name.
[01:09] <paulproteus> No big deal.
[01:09] <Ribs> phew :)
[01:09] <Ribs> I've not really bothered to set up anything
[01:09] <paulproteus> At the same time, do notice how cool ISO date format is: it sorts correctly by string sort.
[01:09] <Ribs> so it's compiling a lot of modules
[01:10] <cristiano> hi guys i've a prob
[01:12] <padlefot> does anybody know where the XF86Config file for ubuntu is?
[01:12] <padlefot> i want to change my screen resolution
[01:12] <Ribs> padlefot: /etc/X11/XF86Config.4
[01:12] <Ribs> or something
[01:12] <Ribs> padlefot: You can easily do it in Gnome anyway
[01:13] <padlefot> yeah i can, but it doesnt go any highet than 1024x784
[01:13] <cristiano> someone can explain me why when trying to execute an install command it says "./install: line 1: /lib/libc.so.6: Permission denied
[01:13] <cristiano> Setup aborted . . .
[01:13] <cristiano> The installer cannot be run when your current directory is on the CD.
[01:13] <cristiano> "????thanks
[01:13] <padlefot> *higher
[01:14] <padlefot> i want to take it to 1280x1024
[01:14] <Ribs> right, time for a reboot
[01:17] <Nexinarus> cristiano, are you installing as root?
[01:17] <Nexinarus> maybe if your not using root priviliages it wont let you
[01:18] <Ng> it kinda looks like the CD is mounted with noexec
[01:18] <cristiano> yep
[01:18] <padlefot> crappy
[01:19] <Ribs> okay, very nearly there now
[01:19] <Ribs> nvidia-installer complains that a 'conflicting' opengl system is installed
[01:19] <Ribs> so I'm kinda wondering how to remove what I already have installed
[01:19] <Gmail> i saw this in the debian mailing list
[01:19] <Gmail> In the meantime you can get the last released NVU version package for
[01:19] <Gmail> debian adding this repo:
[01:19] <Gmail> deb http://www.linuxbh.org/naarea/ pacotes/
[01:20] <Ribs> 'opengl' in synaptic just shows a load of bindings
[01:20] <Gmail> someone should add that to the wiki
[01:21] <cristiano> Nexinarus: i think i would try a reboot...this is really strange...
[01:21] <cristiano> Ng: should i check the fstab file?
[01:22] <cristiano> in the fstab i have ro,user options
[01:22] <Ng> hmm
[01:22] <Ng> that's most weird
[01:22] <Gmail> daniels: can you add that to the wiki?
[01:24] <ctd> Gmail: It's a wiki so that everyone can add things to it.
[01:24] <Gmail> ctd: i know but i am not
[01:25] <Gmail> any way what the hell is the point of??? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=222177
[01:25] <bob2> Gmail: it's way more efficient for you to do that than for daniel to
[01:25] <bob2> Device  Sleep state     Status
[01:25] <bob2>  LID       3            *enabled
[01:25] <bob2> SLPB       3            *enabled
[01:25] <bob2> ba
[01:26] <bob2> Gmail: some people have too much time on their hands
[01:28] <Gmail> bob2: i can't port 80 blocked for another 10min
[01:28] <bob2> um, ok
[01:28] <bob2> but you can read debbugs?
[01:29] <bob2> what a magic firewall
[01:32] <Gmail> bob2: no it was the work of my isp the blocked it for 15min while they do some upgrades that we all agreed on having now
[01:39] <thoreauputic> bob2: do you use irssi? Do you know if it's possible to split the window vertically as well as horizontally?
[01:39] <Gmail> he does
[01:41] <stvn> mrgn
[01:42] <thoreauputic> hmm.. I guess logically I should try #irssi...
[01:42] <kbrooks> i need to e-mail someone but i want POP e-mail, but I don't have it........
[01:43] <kbrooks> wait, maybe i do on hotmail but i dont know where
[01:43] <ctd> hotmail doesn't give you a POP inbox, iirc.
[01:43] <kbrooks> oh
[01:49] <daniele> dears, I have some problems with totem playing videos mpeg. I hear audio, but I can't see motion. What's up? How may I solve this problem?
[01:51] <gen> jdibittydub
[01:52] <housetier> daniele I am only guessing but you might miss some codecs for totem... you could try another movie player, mplayer for example
[01:53] <ChibiFS> Blah! Stop promoting mplayer when you knoooww xine is far superior. :P
[01:54] <zopy> daniele = try to install pack from MPlayerhq.hu and cp it to /usr/lib/win32
[01:54] <stuNNed> bakkamakka beebub ommba somba ubununtu
[01:54] <housetier> exactly my point:I don't know that xine is superior
[01:54] <ChibiFS> hehe :P
[01:54] <daniels> Gmail: bob2 was commenting on the fact that you could access the Debian bug tracking system but not the wiki
[01:56] <ctd> daniels: Must be an X problem! File a bug against the X packagers. ;)
[01:59] <kbrooks> i want to be a member of the ubuntu maintainers team. :)
[01:59] <stuNNed> where do i put: NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 in Ubuntu?
[02:02] <stuNNed> if i want to pass options to driver module on load just put it in modules.conf?
[02:03] <stuNNed> just put directly into modules.conf?
[02:05] <Gmail> daniele: heh that link i had for a long time wanting to say that
[02:05] <Gmail> ok i know this is the most stupidest question in the world but here it comes
[02:06] <Gmail> if i add a deb-src to my sources.list and apt-get something from that source does i build the package for me?
[02:07] <stuNNed> if i put driver module load options directly in modules.conf will it get overwritten upon next boot or some other times?
[02:07] <rory__> no
[02:07] <rory__> it downloads the source
[02:07] <daniels> Gmail: please read the documentation available.  man apt-get is a good start.
[02:08] <Ng> Gmail: you might want to look at apt-src, it can be used to download/build a source deb in a similar fashion to apt-get
[02:08] <Gmail> daniels: heh i can't remeber i read it 9months ago
[02:08] <Gmail> Ng: you refereshed my memery
[02:09] <Gmail> apt-src is like portage?
[02:09] <Ng> :o
[02:09] <Ng> don't think of it like that, it's just wrong ;)
[02:10] <stuNNed> where is proper place in ubuntu to put driver module load options?  directly in modules.conf?
[02:11] <Ng> stuNNed: you could stick them in /etc/modutils/local and then run update-modules
[02:11] <Gmail> Ng: i never ment like that i ment its like a portage type thing biulds from source...
[02:11] <stuNNed> Ng, roger, thanks
[02:12] <ctd> Gmail: man apt-src
[02:12] <daniels> Gmail: so read it again, dude.
[02:13] <daniels> Gmail: if you cannot help yourself, you cannot expect others to do your work for you and expecting them to do so is rude and disruptive to the channel.
[02:13] <Ng> Gmail: well, I suppose, but I don't want to give the impression that building everything from source is a good or cool idea ;)
[02:13] <daniels> Gmail: and so far, you have done nothing but be rude, impolite, disruptive and annoying, to the point where you have provided nothing good but many things bad to the channel, and you are walking dangerously close to a removal.
[02:13] <Gmail> Ng: it is when there only binary there are are one built with gcc 2.95
[02:14] <Ng> I'm so not getting into compiler discussions, but I will say that almost anything you've read in gentoo world about gcc is bollocks ;)
[02:14] <Ng> pardon my french
[02:15] <Gmail> franch?
[02:15] <paulproteus> "Pardon my French" is an expression used by American English speakers to half-apologize for using harsh language.
[02:15] <Wiseguy> ?!
[02:15] <rory__> lol
[02:15] <Wiseguy> weird
[02:16] <Gmail> harsh?
[02:16] <paulproteus> The word "bollocks" here.
[02:16] <Ng> paulproteus: I beg your pardon, but I am a proper English speaker :)
[02:16] <Wiseguy> very "harsh"
[02:16] <paulproteus> Ng: Oh, I didn't realize it was in English English, too.
[02:16] <paulproteus> :)
[02:16] <Ribs> it is
[02:16] <Ng> yeah
[02:16] <Wiseguy> thank god I'm learning spanish
[02:17] <rory__> yeah
[02:17] <Ribs> We don't all go around throwing teabags at each other and calling each other 'wankers'
[02:17] <Ng> hehe
[02:17] <Wiseguy> if you want to
[02:17] <Wiseguy> *starts the throwing*
[02:17] <daniels> ok, guys, offtopic.
[02:17] <Wiseguy> kinda
[02:18] <Ng> sorry, daniels is right
[02:18] <Wiseguy> nothing against a little ot now and then I say
[02:28] <Gmail> woooo netspilt
[02:28] <rory__> wasnt me...
[02:29] <Gmail> rory__: sure as if we belive you
[02:31] <melmes> moin
[02:47] <__learner__> doesa ubuntu have good internationalization?
[02:48] <bob2> it has fairly good
[02:48] <bob2> hoary will be a lot better
[02:49] <__learner__> can I easily install development tools in ubuntu?
[02:49] <herman> which development tools?
[02:50] <__learner__> I need good IDEs and compilers for C++ (I pretend to use the SDL Library) and Java (Ill also need Mysql and Apache Running)
[02:51] <Ng> anjuta is quite nice
[02:51] <Ng> fairly Gnome related, but it should be fine for plain C++
[02:51] <Ng> Java people seem to use Eclipse these days, but that's not in ubuntu yet
[02:51] <Ng> installing it may well be documented in the wiki though
[02:51] <__learner__> but can I add it?
[02:52] <Ng> __learner__: you can install it manually, yes
[02:52] <__learner__> I used JBeans and liked it.
[02:52] <bob2> Rene_S: can you trn that off please?
[02:52] <Rene_S> bob2 turn what off ?
[02:52] <bob2> Rene_S: public away
[02:53] <__learner__> Im almost installing this distro, everyone says good things about it.
[02:53] <Neill> Ng: eclip is very good, but I'd suggest installing it manually unless someone has come up with a way of making dpkg/apt properly cope with java
[02:53] <Rene_S> bob2 ? I am not marked as away
[02:53] <bob2> Rene_S: 23:51:57  *       Rene_S is back (gone 00:52:40)
[02:54] <Rene_S> bob2 Says I am back, looks like it is off then eh ?
[02:54] <bob2> Rene_S: no, configure your client so it never prints it in here again, thanks
[02:55] <lifeless> bob2: whats the issue with it ?
[02:55] <Ng> apart from being really annoying, useless and a waste of bits? ;)
[02:55] <daniels> lifeless: unnecessary clutter
[02:56] <herman> __learner__: i think all tools you need are available in ubuntu. what do you use atm?
[02:56] <thenuke> away scripts and such are generally not tolerated in MANY channels
[02:56] <Rene_S> bob2 okie dokie, I found the thing to shut it off
[02:56] <bob2> Rene_S: thanks!
[02:56] <bob2> lifeless: 303 people running them will make baby jesus cry
[02:57] <Rene_S> bob2 Your welcome
[02:57] <thenuke> it wont look so bad when only someone has it but if for example about everyone in here would think it is absolutely necessary to tell everybody when they leave keyboard and come back.. you imagine the rest :)
[02:57] <Rene_S> baby who ?
[02:57] <rory__> lol
[02:59] <Ng> bob2: here's the father to punish you for that comment ;)
[02:59] <__learner__> I used to  windows tools only.
[03:00] <bob2> hehehe
[03:00] <__learner__> Been using JavaBeans, Dev C++ and Broland C++Builder
[03:00] <stuNNed> hi ubuntu-ers
[03:01] <jessta> hey
[03:01] <stuNNed> hiyas jessta
[03:02] <__learner__> is there anyway to run photoshop in linux? (without vmware)
[03:02] <__learner__> I mean, in ubuntu
[03:02] <stuNNed> __learner__, you could try il-forsaken WINE
[03:02] <Ng> __learner__: I believe Codeweavers Crossover can run some versions of photoshop
[03:03] <__learner__> How many size do you thing I should reserve for the Ubuntu Partition. I will not put any media on it. Just the basic system,  the Dev Apps and some Media Players
[03:03] <stuNNed> __learner__, 4-5gig if possible imho
[03:03] <__learner__> isnt that too much?
[03:04] <__learner__> My HD holds only 30GB.
[03:04] <__learner__> but if you say 5GB it is 5GB
[03:05] <stuNNed> __learner__, my / is 3.8G and that is fresh install
[03:05] <__learner__> Can ubuntu read and write to NTFS partitions? Can linux do that?
[03:05] <Ng> my install is just under 4gb with a bunch of development stuff
[03:05] <Treenaks> __learner__: read: yes, write: no
[03:05] <stuNNed> __learner__, check the ntfs sf.net site
[03:05] <bob2> 1.8GB is the size of the base system
[03:05] <bob2> (desktop base)
[03:09] <__learner__> can the NTFS support be installed latter?
[03:09] <bob2> yes
[03:09] <__learner__> Wow! Is there any way to reduce that 1.8GB base install?
[03:09] <stuNNed> man, sudo -s seems like a real bad idea
[03:11] <stuNNed> # ls -l .bash_history
[03:11] <stuNNed> -rw-------  1 root root 299 2004-12-06 07:45 .bash_history
[03:12] <__learner__> every ubunt fresh install occupies 3.8 GB?
[03:13] <stuNNed> __learner__, probly not
[03:14] <bob2> 00:05:28           bob2 | 1.8GB is the size of the base system
[03:15] <__learner__> why does it need so much space? Is that the ammount, the  space distros are currently using?
[03:15] <bob2> because it includes all of gnome
[03:15] <bob2> and python
[03:15] <bob2> and useful tools lots of people install
[03:15] <BeTa> yop... I'm still ;c) running an ubuntu linux on my PowerBook alu... and it's still crashing randomly...
[03:15] <bob2> you can make it less if you wan
[03:15] <__learner__> Oh great.
[03:15] <bob2> t?
[03:16] <BeTa> I can say that this is not a temperature problem, whereas I've set it to 42c through /sys ... :c/
[03:16] <BeTa> any idea?
[03:16] <BeTa> I think this is crashing when I'm doing lots of different things at the same time
[03:17] <__learner__> So if I get the 4GB partiton, will I have space for installing the dev tools , and the mysql/apache servers
[03:17] <bob2> it may be tight
[03:18] <stuNNed> anyone have linuxant modem driver fail with fifo overrun/underrun?
[03:19] <Kamion> bob2: desktop, not base ...
[03:19] <Kamion> the base system's 350MB
[03:19] <bob2> er, yea, I corrected myself in the next line but didn't paste it again
[03:19] <Kamion> the desktop is actually more like 1.5GB but the installation process uses an extra 300MB of temporary space
[03:19] <Kamion> bob2: oh, right, didn't see that
[03:20] <Ng> and you could slim it down a bit post-install if you don't want things like openoffice, I guess
[03:20] <bob2> you can slim it pre-install, too
[03:20] <Ng> ah, cool. I zipped through the install as quick as I could :)
[03:22] <quake> Hey
[03:24] <Rocha> Hello
[03:24] <Rocha> I've just installed Ubuntu, how can I install the flash plugin in firefox?
[03:24] <Rocha> I already used Synaptic to install "flashplugin-nonfree", but it still doesn't work.
[03:26] <bob2> Rocha: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:26] <Rocha> bob2, thanks, i'll try
[03:27] <BrittMan914> how do i copy a file in console mode?
[03:28] <Rocha> cp file_to_copy destination
[03:28] <BrittMan914> ;) thanks you guys are awesome
[03:28] <BrittMan914> !
[03:28] <Rocha> cp means copy
[03:28] <Rocha> mv means move
[03:28] <BrittMan914> oh cool
[03:28] <BrittMan914> i was tryin copy and move
[03:28] <BrittMan914> thank you again
[03:28] <BrittMan914> have a good one
[03:31] <Rocha> bob2, flash working, thanks
[03:31] <bob2> np
[03:33] <quake> just curious: What's everyone xset setting?
[03:34] <aigarius> a nautilus usability bug here. insert a usb stick. delete a file (to free some space). Try to copy a large file on the stick. File cann't be copied - not enough free space. the deleted file stays in .Trash taking up the space. user has no way of knowing that.
[03:34] <aigarius> can one tell nautilus to directly erase file from certain mount points without usig .Trash ?
[03:35] <bob2> shift-rightclick or something?
[03:35] <aigarius> bob2: i mean in a user friendly way
[03:35] <Rocha> Shift-DEL deletes without moving to trash, just like windows.
[03:36] <aigarius> Rocha: is the same bug revelant in Windows/
[03:36] <aigarius> ?
[03:36] <Simira> what bug?
[03:36] <Rocha> Simira, it's not a bug, it's a usability problem.
[03:36] <Simira> haha
[03:36] <Rocha> aigarius, you can activate the "delete" command in the context sensitive menu
[03:37] <aigarius> yes, but a cueles user will still stumble into the problem
[03:37] <Rocha> aigarius, i agree with you
[03:37] <aigarius> isn't there a way to exclude some dirs from .Trash-ing?
[03:37] <Rocha> Open a directory, Edit->Preferences->Behaviour
[03:37] <Rocha> In wastebasket there is an option "include a delete command...."
[03:38] <Rocha> If you delete a file that way, with right-click->delete, it won't move to trash
[03:38] <aigarius> Rocha: i know that. I am a system architect here - trying to solve that problem forever :)
[03:39] <Rocha> I know no other way around.
[03:39] <aigarius> ow well - will have to read the source :P i hate when it is the only solution.
[03:40] <Rocha> Go to irc.gnome.org
[03:40] <Rocha> Maybe you'll get an answer there.
[03:40] <Rocha> That is not an Ubuntu problem.
[03:41] <rory__> hehe
[03:41] <Rocha> There are a lots of developers there, so you can skip that source reading :P
[03:42] <Rocha> I hope there is a solution to that.
[03:44] <aigarius> Rocha: tnx
[03:45] <Rocha> np
[03:47] <quake_> #fedora
[03:47] <quake_> oops
[03:48] <quake_> No no, I wanted to go to the fedora room but instead I typed #fedora here
[03:49] <quake_> Think what you want... I'm using Ubuntu and NOT fedora
[03:49] <Pitr> 8)
[03:49] <quake_> better? ;)
[03:54] <Amaranth> bob2: You're in Matar?
[03:54] <bob2> yeah
[03:54] <Amaranth> awesome
[03:54] <Amaranth> you've been blogged ;P
[03:54] <Amaranth> http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/mataro-canonical-meeting-2004-12-06-00-51
[03:55] <daniels> bob2 around the world
[03:56] <bob2> heh, yeah
[03:56] <Amaranth> heh
[03:56] <Amaranth> hmm
[03:56] <Amaranth> If I tried to change my order for Ubuntu CDs after they were shipped with it send me two different sets or just ignore the second one?
[03:57] <bob2> try emailing mako
[03:57] <Amaranth> ok
[03:57] <sladen> Amaranth: email mako since the site is only set to ship once per address/account
[03:58] <Amaranth> we're having an install fest at the local lug and i realized i'd probably need more
[03:58] <Amaranth> one question: who is mako? :P
[03:59] <Amaranth> oh, cool
[03:59] <Amaranth> email is in his whois
[04:00] <paulproteus> be back later
[04:07] <MarcusCrassus> I have a Kingston KNE100T NIC that the live CD version of Ubuntu picked up fine, but the installed version didn't detect.  I've not used Kingston NICS in linux before, so can someone tell me what module I need to load for it to work?
[04:12] <traxass> hello !:)
[04:13] <traxass> can you tell me how old is ubuntu?
[04:14] <Simira> uhm.... as what? As a distributed system, under development, or not?
[04:14] <Simira> Warty was released October 11th
[04:14] <traxass> i mean when was it started :)
[04:15] <Simira> Canonical, you mean? And the development of Ubuntu? Early this year, I think.
[04:15] <daniels> traxass: late April or so
[04:16] <traxass> ok thnx
[04:16] <daniels> (but most of the team were not on board at that point)
[04:17] <stuNNed> is there any c++ code in base ubuntu?
[04:18] <stuNNed> or ubuntu rather
[04:18] <bob2> of course
[04:18] <stuNNed> not addon software
[04:18] <bob2> apt if nothing else
[04:18] <stuNNed> bob2, mostly python and c though?
[04:19] <bob2> mostly C
[04:19] <stuNNed> bob2, thanks very much
[04:19] <bob2> very little python
[04:19] <traxass> deb packages works on ubuntu? or it has it's own packages?
[04:20] <bob2> it has it's own
[04:25] <__learner__> is there anyway to get 5.1 sound in linux?
[04:25] <__learner__> I have 5.1 speakers, but they never worked at 5.1 in linux. Is there any way to use it?
[04:28] <chicken_man2004> hi
[04:29] <chicken_man2004> can some well tell me how long it takes for the cd to ship?
[04:29] <chicken_man2004> can some well tell me how long it takes for the cd to ship?
[04:29] <chicken_man2004> helloooo
[04:30] <traxass> don't flood
[04:30] <traxass> if somebody knows - he'll answer
[04:30] <chicken_man2004> :|
[04:30] <Amaranth> chicken_man2004: The site tells you.
[04:30] <rodi> chicken_man2004:  folks were getting it in less than a week, but it's definitely faster to download ;)
[04:31] <Amaranth> "It may take up to several weeks from that date for some packages to leave the factory and the package could spend several weeks in transit to some locations. We can not pinpoint the mailing date of individual packages."
[04:31] <chicken_man2004> 500mb :O
[04:31] <moquist> MarcusCrassus: I see that the de4x5 driver claims to work with Kingston cards.  /usr/src/Documentation/networking/de4x5.txt
[04:31] <traxass> i'm simply downloading it...gonna take ~2-3 hours, not a week
[04:31] <chicken_man2004> i got a 56k modem lol
[04:32] <traxass> uuuu that's bad :D
[04:32] <gfg> wow! Modems rock
[04:32] <traxass> i have cable internet
[04:32] <gfg> LANT3 forever
[04:32] <chicken_man2004> well i mite as well start downloading it
[04:32] <Tomcat_> chicken_man2004: Try to find a friendly Internet cafe with CD toaster :)
[04:32] <Amaranth> chicken_man2004: 500mb on a 56k would take less then a week
[04:32] <traxass> :D
[04:32] <chicken_man2004> mmmm true
[04:32] <chicken_man2004> well ill get started
[04:33] <moquist> bob2: ubuntu has its own packages, but the deb packages work fine, right?  (isn't that what's being enabled with "universe"?)
[04:33] <rodi> chicken_man2004:  make sure do download it with some client that will resume for you if you get kicked off- I think just about any bittorrent client will...
[04:33] <wezzer> yea, deb packs work fine too
[04:34] <Cueball> What version of KDE is availiable with ubuntu ?
[04:35] <bob2> moquist: no, they're built for ubuntu
[04:35] <bob2> if you use .debs from debian, you are on your own
[04:35] <mos__> Cueball: it doesnt come with kde
[04:36] <Rocha> Just a question...
[04:36] <bob2> Cueball: 3.1 in warty
[04:36] <Cueball> Ok cheers
[04:36] <chicken_man2004> emm what 1 do i need?
[04:36] <traxass> and what version of gnome has worthy?
[04:37] <moquist> bob2: k; thx for clarifying.
[04:37] <Rocha> What program can I use to what streaming video on the web?
[04:37] <chicken_man2004> what 1 do i need?
[04:38] <chicken_man2004> amd or i386 ??
[04:38] <chicken_man2004> i use a AMD-k6 prosessor
[04:38] <bob2> then you want i386
[04:38] <chicken_man2004> ok
[04:39] <quake> __learner__, what's your soundcard?
[04:40] <Amaranth> Rocha: You want to watch streaming video or create it?
[04:40] <Amaranth> To watch it get mplayer with the w32codecs and get mozilla-mplayer
[04:40] <Rocha> Just watch
[04:40] <Rocha> ok, thanks
[04:40] <Amaranth> That'll get you Quicktime and WMV formats.
[04:41] <__learner__> no soundcard, just an onboard AC97
[04:41] <Amaranth> For Real you'll need to get Realplayer from http://real.com and setup the firefox plugin on your own
[04:41] <__learner__> motherboard A7V8X-X
[04:41] <quake> And you have 5.1 in windows?
[04:41] <Schmots> Hello
[04:42] <Amaranth> Actually, I think their installer sets up the plugin, you just need to point it to the right plugin dir.
[04:42] <Amaranth> quake: I'm betting it's simulated 5.1
[04:42] <Schmots> After install, how can I define to alsa what driver to use?
[04:43] <quake> go to the console and type "alsamixer" and there, Search for surround
[04:43] <Schmots> and, are the "universe" sources supposed to be like debian's unstable?
[04:43] <Schmots> I know about the alsamixer.
[04:43] <Schmots> I can't use it because it says no cards found.
[04:43] <quake> I was talking to __learner__  ;)
[04:43] <Schmots> oh.. sorry
[04:43] <quake> np
[04:43] <quique> In Warty there ir KDE 3.2.3
[04:43] <quique> I'm using it right now
[04:43] <__learner__> tx quake.
[04:44] <quique> In Hoary there is KDE 3.3.1
[04:44] <__learner__> That is really good news.
[04:44] <__learner__> for me.
[04:44] <Schmots> I tried dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base.. but that only lets you set your auto save options.
[04:44] <Schmots> This silence is defining
[04:45] <rodi> __learner__:  Hoary actually made me a gnome convert.  Or maybe it was just the naked people, now that I think of it.
[04:45] <__learner__> lol!
[04:46] <traxass> what gnome is in worthy? 2.8?
[04:46] <Schmots> 2.8.1
[04:46] <pridkett> hey, does anyone have problems with sound in flash?  it works fine if I have ESD running, but can't seem to get it working without, which is pain because my rhythmbox doesn't like esd.
[04:46] <Rocha> Can I install Acrobat reader from synaptic?
[04:47] <Schmots> so no help on how I can tell alsa it should be using intel_8x0
[04:47] <Schmots> Rocha no
[04:47] <Schmots> but there is a nice install package from adobe for version 4.
[04:47] <Rocha> ok
[04:48] <okplayer02> has has anyone had a good experience with Ubuntu 64 bit  cause i have a AMD 64
[04:49] <okplayer02> im looking to install it beside FC3
[04:49] <Schmots> so no on ecan help me with my sound problem?
[04:50] <quake> Maybe it's better if you post your problem in the forums
[04:50] <quake> But sorry, I'm myself a bewbie :(
[04:51] <quake> newbie*
[04:51] <okplayer02> so has anyone installed ubuntu 64 bit on a laptop
[04:52] <okplayer02> just curious how ur experiences has been with it
[04:53] <Rocha> Where is the w32codecs package?
[04:53] <Rocha> I can't find it
[04:53] <Rocha> I already have multiverse and universe
[04:53] <Rocha> It's in another repository?
[04:53] <traxass> if i understood good, Ubuntu is biult on Debian..so why is it better than Debian. Is it faster? safer?
[04:54] <Schmots> is universe unstable?
[04:54] <Schmots> traxass.. might be a bit safer.
[04:54] <Rocha> Schmots, i think so.
[04:54] <Schmots> 6 month release cycle.
[04:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> Schmots: for debian standarts
[04:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> Schmots: I use universe and multiverse and everything is going on
[04:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> well
[04:55] <Schmots> I have only noticed one package that is outa date.
[04:55] <Schmots> but its one I use all the time.. amsn.
[04:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> Schmots: Use gaim is much better
[04:56] <Schmots> not for msn.
[04:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> Schmots: amsn has an Ubuntu portage on their site with the last version.
[04:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> you can install the binary
[04:56] <Schmots> I have to use msn for work.. and amsn is great
[04:56] <Schmots> I will look at that... thanks
[04:56] <Rocha> Schmots, i have found acrobat reader 5 in synaptic
[04:56] <Rocha> package "acroread"
[04:56] <Schmots> really?  must be a ubuntu package.
[04:57] <Schmots> only had ubuntu on for a day.. ran debian since way back....
[04:57] <Schmots> only switched for a better evolution
[04:57] <Schmots> exchange connector is flaky in unstable.
[04:57] <Rocha> I searched for "acrobat" but the binary name is usually "acroread" so I searched for it :)
[04:59] <_|Imanewbie|_> Rocha: you can also look for Acrobat|less
[05:02] <Tomcat_> How can I downgrade some packages?
[05:02] <Tomcat_> I install several packages for PMTesting (see Wiki), but now I can't get to the old state without removing half of my system...
[05:02] <Tomcat_> +ed
[05:04] <jono> hi all
[05:04] <jono> which is better: RSA or DSA
[05:05] <Ng> DSA
[05:05] <Ng> that's a poor answer to a simple question though ;)
[05:05] <Rocha> I'm behind a proxy so synaptic can't get w32codecs because it has to download a file from mplayerhq.hu
[05:05] <Rocha> I've downloaded the file manualy, where can I put it now so I can continue the installation?
[05:05] <moquist> jono: in a Googlefight, RSA wins 848 to 443.
[05:05] <jono> heh
[05:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> anyone here had problems using bittorent?
[05:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> I get unable to get direct connections status
[05:11] <Rocha> How can I install a package by hand?
[05:11] <Rocha> Without using synaptic?
[05:11] <HcE> apt-get install <package>
[05:11] <Rocha> tnks
[05:12] <HcE> or do you want to install a .deb you downloaded?
[05:12] <Rocha> Nop, I want to install w32codecs
[05:12] <Rocha> But by hand
[05:12] <HcE> ok, apt-get is good
[05:12] <HcE> or you can use aptitude, same parameters
[05:13] <Rocha> Hmmm, apt-get uses wget right?
[05:13] <bob2> apt is not 'by hand'
[05:13] <bob2> it will only work in the same situations synaptic would
[05:13] <thenuke> hey how you do reinstall the grub?
[05:13] <thenuke> I typed chroot /mnt/hda5 (my root partition)  and then grub
[05:13] <Rocha> When I said, by hand, I mean without synaptic
[05:14] <bob2> but there's no gain to that
[05:14] <thenuke> and it just kept probing floppy or something, so I did grub --no-floppy and it gave me different errors :)
[05:14] <Rocha> I just wanted to see the diference.
[05:14] <Rocha> If apt-get uses wget to get the packages, i think i can set the http_proxy environment variable right?
[05:15] <bob2> yes
[05:15] <Rocha> Yup, it worked :)
[05:15] <bob2> if synaptic doesn't support a proxy, tho, it's a bug
[05:15] <Rocha> weeeeee, i'm happy
[05:15] <Rocha> It supports proxy very well
[05:15] <bob2> cool
[05:15] <davux> hi
[05:16] <Rocha> but it uses wget to get w32codecs packages and the proxy should be set for wget too
[05:16] <bob2> erm, no it doesn't
[05:16] <bob2> it gets them the same way apt-get does
[05:16] <Rocha> Nop
[05:16] <Rocha> After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
[05:16] <Rocha> Setting up w32codecs (20040704.2) ...
[05:16] <Rocha> --16:15:16--  http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/essential-20040704.tar.bz2
[05:16] <Rocha>            => `/tmp/essential-20040704.tar.bz2'
[05:17] <Rocha> Resolving proxy.di.fc.ul.pt... 194.117.22.137
[05:17] <Rocha> Connecting to proxy.di.fc.ul.pt[194.117.22.137] :3128... connected.
[05:17] <Rocha> Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[05:17] <Rocha> Length: 8,123,741 [application/x-tar] 
[05:17] <Rocha> It uses wget
[05:17] <bob2> what on earth is that?
[05:17] <bob2> that's not apt
[05:17] <bob2> or it's a really cracked w32codecs package
[05:17] <Rocha> Nop, but I did sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:17] <Rocha> And w32codecs needs files from the mplayer website
[05:17] <bob2> where from?
[05:17] <Rocha> And they are downloaded using wget
[05:17] <bob2> wow
[05:18] <bob2> oh, and you didn't export the proxy for synaptic, so wget didn't get it
[05:18] <bob2> I get it now
[05:18] <Rocha> I just set the proxy for synaptic
[05:18] <Rocha> And it works for apt-get
[05:19] <Rocha> But in this case, since it has to call wget, the proxy is not set (just for wget)
[05:19] <Rocha> That should be easy to correct
[05:19] <Rocha> Just see if the proxy variable is set and pass the proxy arguments to wget
[05:20] <jono> anyone know how to install thunderbird modules for all users?
[05:21] <Rocha> Hmmm, streaming still doesn't work
[05:21] <Rocha> firefox shows "mplayerplug-in" but it doesn't play
[05:22] <ChibiFS> I...seriously don't understand the advantage of the ubuntu security model. -_-;
[05:23] <Rocha> Anyone here with firefox video streaming working?
[05:23] <ChibiFS> 'Okay, lets disable the root account and prevent you from making root repairs to the system, and not only that, but lets give the user that can be logged onto with SSH full sudo access to the machine, with a sudo password matching the user password'
[05:23] <bob2> please don't spread FUD
[05:24] <_|Imanewbie|_> ChibiFS: I agree with you in some points
[05:24] <bob2> you can trivially make ' root repairs to the system'
[05:24] <Treenaks> ChibiFS: uh, please read http://www.ubuntulinux.og/wiki/RootSudo
[05:24] <Treenaks> ChibiFS: booting into single user (Recovery) mode won't ask you for a password, and give you a root shell
[05:24] <_|Imanewbie|_> ChibiFS: ssh shouldnt be enabled bydefault
[05:24] <ChibiFS> :/ It is.
[05:24] <Amaranth> No it isn't.
[05:24] <Treenaks> ChibiFS: and by default, all ports are closed. you choose to install sshd
[05:25] <_|Imanewbie|_> Amaranth: yes it is and it is wrong Imho
[05:25] <davux> hi
[05:25] <bob2> ChibiFS: no, ssh is absolutely not running by default
[05:25] <Amaranth> I had to install it.
[05:25] <ChibiFS> Maybe something else installed it. :/
[05:25] <davux> sorry, I don't understand how shippit.ubuntulinux.org works...
[05:25] <davux> any expert ? :)
[05:26] <bob2> the client is installed, the server requires user intervention
[05:26] <bob2> davux: which bit?
[05:26] <Amaranth> Anyone with enough clue to know they want sshd should understand the security issues.
[05:26] <spiv> davux: What do you need to know? :)
[05:26] <mako> davux: sure, i know a fe things about it
[05:26] <_|Imanewbie|_> davux: ypu subscribe for an account
[05:26] <mako> davux: what do you want to know? :)
[05:26] <Amaranth> Oh, mako is here now, cool.
[05:26] <davux> happy to get so many answers at a time !
[05:26] <_|Imanewbie|_> davux: give them some personal information, you home adresss and stuff
[05:26] <Amaranth> I was too lazy to email so I suppose I can ask you now.
[05:26] <Amaranth> :)
[05:26] <davux> in fact, I ordered 15 CD's some time ago
[05:26] <mako> Amaranth: i was running a bof a few minutes
[05:26] <mako> davux: right
[05:26] <davux> providing my snail-mail address
[05:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> davux: ad they ship you the cds with no cost
[05:27] <mako> davux: define "a time ago"
[05:27] <Amaranth> mako: Well, my order shipped but I changed it afterward.
[05:27] <mako> davux: if you ordered cds before oct 19, you should have them already or will get them soon
[05:27] <davux> hmm... say some weeks, nearly one month
[05:27] <Amaranth> I didn't realize it had shipped, I was hoping to get more CDs for an install fest.
[05:27] <ChibiFS> Amaranth- Yeah, but the security they start you off with in that sense is worse than just setting them out as a root user. The only person it protects you from is yourself. :/
[05:27] <mako> if you ordered if after oct 19th but before november 20th or so, those cd started shipping today
[05:28] <davux> but now, when I go back to the website, I always see the same: personal information, how many CD, and that's all
[05:28] <bob2> ChibiFS: if you're logged into the machine locally, uou can have root in minutes
[05:28] <davux> so I wonder whether I missed something ?
[05:28] <Amaranth> ChibiFS: On a desktop machine that's the most important thing to do.
[05:28] <Rocha> Hmmm, acroread package doesn't work :(
[05:28] <Amaranth> Protect the user from themself. :P
[05:28] <kent> Rocha, whats the problem? it works for me.
[05:28] <mako> Amaranth: you can either (a) have someone else order the cds for the install fest or (b) email me and i will special case you for the next order
[05:28] <Amaranth> ok
[05:28] <Amaranth> mako@debian.org ok?
[05:28] <bob2> Rocha: the perils of non-Free software...
[05:28] <ChibiFS> Heh, still, I think the sudo and user passwords should be differed.
[05:28] <bob2> ;-)
[05:28] <davux> mako: is there a way to know when I ordered the CD's ?
[05:28] <ChibiFS> :/
[05:28] <mako> Amaranth: less than ideal :)
[05:29] <Rocha> bob2, yeah :D
[05:29] <mako> davux: it's not displayed in the interface
[05:29] <bob2> ChibiFS: is that actually possible under sudo?
[05:29] <bob2> ChibiFS: and how is that different to creating a root account?
[05:29] <davux> mako: is it stored anyhow ?
[05:29] <mako> davux: i will update the webpage with all of the shipment2 folks and it will show up
[05:29] <Amaranth> ChibiFS: Apple disagrees with you too. :P
[05:29] <mako> davux: i'll do that this week
[05:30] <mako> davux: so if you ordered and got in on the secon shipment, it will show up
[05:30] <davux> mako: great
[05:30] <mako> davux: but we're shiping every two weeks now and shipping times fluxuate greatly
[05:30] <mako> based  don where you are and such
[05:30] <mako> expect 4-6 weeks
[05:30] <mako> if you're lucky, it could be be much less
[05:30] <davux> I'm located in Paris, France
[05:30] <Amaranth> mako: So where do I email to? :)
[05:30] <mako> Amaranth: mako@canonical.com
[05:31] <Amaranth> that should have been obvious :)
[05:31] <mako> Amaranth: :)
[05:31] <marsjays> anyone know a good gnome-based tool for exploring windows networks, locating shared resources etc?
[05:31] <Amaranth> marsjays: Computer -> Network?
[05:32] <davux> marsjays: I could say for KDE if it can suit you
[05:32] <davux> or at least qt-based
[05:32] <ChibiFS> bob2- The root account can't be accessed by daemons by default, the user can. Suppose someone installed sshd on accident, it now starts with their computer. :/.. Outside users have root access because the password that they used to log in is the same that they use to root. Ubuntu /is/ built for the end user, not the security guru who knows to navigate his system. :/
[05:33] <davux> mako: thanks for your help
[05:33] <mako> davux: no problem
[05:33] <marsjays> Amaranth: oh, thanks! i've been a debian user for the last five or so years, not used to things being easy to use >:)
[05:33] <bob2> ChibiFS: what does " The root account can't be accessed by daemons by default, the user can." mean?
[05:33] <bob2> ChibiFS: and ssh in Debian allows root to log in remotely
[05:33] <Amaranth> ChibiFS: The 'security guru' would enable the root account and disable sudo if it mattered that much to them.
[05:33] <mako> ChibiFS: installed sshd by accident? :)
[05:33] <mako> ChibiFS: whoops!
[05:33] <ChibiFS> No, mako.
[05:33] <Ng> ChibiFS: if you can log into a linux box as a user you have root even without sudo
[05:33] <bob2> ChibiFS: and how many end users install openssh-server?
[05:34] <Ng> the kernel is full of local root sploits
[05:34] <Amaranth> Ng: Prove it.
[05:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ng: amem
[05:34] <__learner__> tx a lot and good bye
[05:34] <bdale> live boot cd for powerpc?
[05:34] <bob2> if you know of any atm, you're on vendorsec, since they're not public :)
[05:34] <__learner__> Ill install it now
[05:34] <bob2> bdale: not yet
[05:34] <Ng> Amaranth: seriously, go search bugtraq for local linux exploits, there's been a bunch in the last few years and they are just the ones we know about
[05:34] <bob2> bdale: well, the install cd is bootable, but not live :)
[05:34] <ChibiFS> I'm not having problems myself, I'm just a little.. worried about users who don't know their way around. :/
[05:34] <Amaranth> Ng: Yeah, and they get fixed too.
[05:35] <Ng> Amaranth: "the ones we know about"
[05:35] <mako> bdale: soonish :)
[05:35] <Amaranth> Ng: Someone who knows the ones we don't know about deserves to get into my system.
[05:35] <davux> bye all !
[05:35] <_|Imanewbie|_> Dammmm Ive ordered my CDs november 28, no shipping for me!
[05:35] <ChibiFS> Anyway, I'm just paranoid. :P
[05:36] <Ng> Amaranth: I'm just saying that it's never safe to assume any kind of remote access to a system is safe, because it's not :)
[05:36] <bdale> mako: I'm going to be at my parent's at Christmas, and they're having CAT-5-level networking problems in the house.  be easier to diagnose/test if I could boot real OS on their powerbooks ... ergo my interest.
[05:36] <Amaranth> Of course not, thats why Ubuntu opens 0 ports by default.
[05:36] <ChibiFS> How about... 1936? O_O
[05:37] <Amaranth> Unlike that 'Other OS' that ships with a crap load of them. ;)
[05:37] <ChibiFS> Or was it.. ermm..
[05:37] <Amaranth> ChibiFS: It might appear open to you but not to a remote machine.
[05:38] <ChibiFS> 1863, I was close. :P
[05:38] <ChibiFS> Gaim opens it to communicate on MSN. xD
[05:38] <Amaranth> bleh
[05:38] <mako> bdale: if only there were some ubuntu developers around.... :)
[05:38] <ChibiFS> I'm just being silly now, you know. :P
[05:38] <Amaranth> Wait, as a server?
[05:39] <Amaranth> Oh, duh.
[05:39] <ChibiFS> Yes, so you can send and receive messages on the msn protocol, nut. :P
[05:39] <Amaranth> They hand off the connection to the clients to deal with. /me is stupid
[05:39] <ChibiFS> That's microsoft for ya.
[05:40] <Amaranth> No, that's a good design.
[05:40] <bdale> mako: always a problem, 'eh?
[05:40] <Amaranth> Not something I'd expect from them. :P
[05:40] <ChibiFS> Come on now, if it has microsoft in the name, it screams security hole.
[05:41] <Amaranth> I'm sure it does some silly things when talking to Xbox Live
[05:42] <ChibiFS> Yeah, They're probably safe, though. Can't mess up much more than savegames and disc rips on an xbox.
[05:42] <Amaranth> Spam zombie.
[05:43] <Amaranth> I might have just been setting things up wrong but the Xbox I was toying with needed a direct connection to DSL or Cable.
[05:43] <_|Imanewbie|_> LOL I'm reading os wars board in OSNews damm funny
[05:43] <ChibiFS> That's assuming someone gets ahold of a compiler for xbox binaries? :/
[05:43] <Amaranth> I couldn't use a hub.
[05:43] <ChibiFS> I'm no xbox supporter, I hate it. :P
[05:43] <Amaranth> ChibiFS: Wouldn't need to, it's x86.
[05:43] <ChibiFS> Oh, it is? o_O
[05:44] <Amaranth> Yeah, Intel 733Mhz
[05:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> Amaranth: so it is a crap =p
[05:44] <ChibiFS> That's news to me. I thought they'd use something unique. D:
[05:44] <Amaranth> Nah.
[05:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> Amaranth:Imho intel hired blind and deaf enginners
[05:44] <Amaranth> And all three nextgen consoles are going to use POWER or PowerPC chips. :)
[05:45] <Amaranth> _|Imanewbie|_: The design of the Pentium Pro was copied from DEC, I heard.
[05:45] <ChibiFS> Now now, who needs a next generation console? I'm good off with my playstation 2. :D
[05:45] <ChibiFS> And Dreamcast, yummy.
[05:45] <daniels> offtopic, guys.
[05:45] <Amaranth> PPro is more of less the same as P2, P3, and PM and it's the only good CPU they've ever made. :P
[05:45] <Amaranth> daniels: Sorry.
[05:46] <Amaranth> So, does anyone here use Muine?
[05:46] <Amaranth> I started using it today and fell in love.
[05:46] <_|Imanewbie|_> Brenching back to the point I was deffending
[05:46] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ubuntu rox on his propouse
[05:47] <ChibiFS> Muine is okay, I perfer MPD, though. I wish something else would do the album cover lookups like muine does, though.
[05:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> And you can disable the unliked features. So it is great.
[05:49] <Amaranth> MPD?
[05:50] <Amaranth> hah, BitchX quit messages are awesome
[05:52] <ChibiFS> music player daemon. Sits in the backround, holds a playlist, fades in and out and such... really low memory, lots of controls.
[05:54] <ChibiFS> 2.4 megs of ram with my full music collection in queue
[06:00] <alexissoft> hi
[06:01] <mousematt> hi alexissoft
[06:05] <KING```> hello all , i need help
[06:06] <rodi> KING```:  don't we all ;)
[06:06] <KING```> after i have installed k3b and bittornado-gui , and i can't find now the programs, where they have been installed ?
[06:06] <bob2> dpkg -L packagename
[06:07] <ChibiFS> KING- That's because Ubuntu was silly and killed off the debian menu D:
[06:07] <bob2> it'd be good if you could be less neative
[06:07] <bob2> er, negative
[06:08] <bob2> even as a 'joke'
[06:08] <quique> They should be on /usr/bin
[06:08] <ChibiFS> Hehe. :/
[06:08] <magneto> King k3b is in /usr/bin
[06:08] <KING```> and bittornad-gui ?
[06:08] <magneto> probably the same place
[06:09] <bob2> dpkg -L buttornado-gui | grep bin
[06:09] <magneto> ls /usr/bin/bit*
[06:09] <bob2> magneto: no
[06:09] <bob2> they start with 'bt'
[06:09] <magneto> bob2: he obviously isnt "there"
[06:09] <bob2> ?
[06:10] <FlopsyPete> hi. where Debian by default doesn't seem to be honed for 'naive user desktop use', in my opinion, in that you need to make yourself a member of 'sound' and 'cdrom' groups to watch a DVD and play music, and CDs have to be manually mounted, is this where Ubuntu is supposedly honed for this kindof use?
[06:10] <ChibiFS> buttornado? :P
[06:10] <bob2> FlopsyPete: that's one feature ubuntu has
[06:10] <KING```> but how i start it ?
[06:11] <bob2> KING```: you need to read the manpage for the program you want to run, in this case
[06:11] <bob2> btlaunchgui is the name of the program, if I remembver correctly
[06:11] <KING```> but I cand't find it
[06:11] <FlopsyPete> bob2: cool.  what about scanners and printers connected at install time, does it setup CUPS and SANE too?
[06:12] <bob2> dpkg -L bittornado-gui | grep bin
[06:12] <magneto> Applications--->Run Application..  type the name of the program you want to run
[06:12] <KING```> /usr/bin
[06:12] <KING```> /usr/bin/btcompletedirgui.bittornado
[06:12] <KING```> /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado
[06:12] <KING```> /usr/bin/btmaketorrentgui
[06:13] <bob2> there you go
[06:13] <KING```> ?
[06:13] <magneto> king - either from a terminal type  /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado or use run applications from the applications menu
[06:13] <thenuke> should ubuntu have cd-copier?
[06:14] <KING```> how can i start it from terminal type ?
[06:15] <magneto> KING: you can also make a "shortcut" to whatever program you want, try right clicking on a panel or menu-  from a terminal $/path/to/program/program
[06:16] <magneto> open a terminal
[06:16] <KING```> yes... ??
[06:16] <KING```> and ?
[06:16] <magneto> type this
[06:17] <KING```> ok
[06:17] <magneto> /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado
[06:17] <magneto> then hit enter
[06:18] <KING```>  Error: can't delete user configuration file '/home/artur69/.BitTorrent' (error 2: No such file or directory)
[06:18] <KING```> it has opened a window
[06:19] <magneto> next time go the Applications menu and click "run applications" and type in the name of the program you want to run
[06:19] <magneto> bob2: thats what I meant by not "there"
[06:20] <KING```> Cannot display location 'file://bittornado'
[06:20] <magneto> King: is the window open and working?
[06:21] <FlopsyPete> bob2: does Ubuntu automagically configure scanners and printers connected at install time?
[06:21] <KING```> no magneto
[06:21] <magneto> Flopsypete- no
[06:21] <KING```> that window was with folders
[06:22] <magneto> KING: close all that stuff
[06:22] <xeph> Hey everyone. I recently bought a new usb ISDN modem. When I plug it in, 'dmesg' outputs quite a lot of information and afaik, it loads the drivers for it. What I'm having a problem with is finding out which port it was allocated. Help please!
[06:22] <FlopsyPete> magento: thanks
[06:22] <bob2> FlopsyPete: I don't know, I don't have any of them
[06:22] <FlopsyPete> (sorry, magneto)
[06:22] <bob2> FlopsyPete: cups should just work with prints, tho
[06:22] <KING```> i have closed it
[06:23] <FlopsyPete> ok
[06:23] <magneto> Flopyspete: the gnome printer config app works good and will see your printer on LP
[06:23] <magneto> KING: do you see the little foot in the upper right hand corner?
[06:23] <magneto> upper left
[06:23] <magneto> my bad
[06:24] <Shufla> hello :):)
[06:24] <KING```> yes magneto
[06:25] <magneto> click where it says Applications
[06:25] <KING```> yes
[06:25] <magneto> at the bottom see where it says "Run Application"
[06:25] <KING```> yes yes
[06:25] <magneto> click that
[06:25] <KING```> ok
[06:25] <Shufla> Fresh Hoary array-1 CD install :>
[06:25] <magneto> in the blank field type the name of the program you want to run
[06:26] <KING```> bittornado
[06:26] <magneto> but that isnt the name of the file that runs the program
[06:26] <magneto> get it
[06:26] <thenuke> ARGH. X-CD-Roast says that I need to enable SCSI-support in kernel if I want to use IDE-CD's
[06:26] <KING```> how ?
[06:27] <bob2> xcdroast is broken then
[06:27] <magneto> remember what you just found in /usr/bin/ ?
[06:27] <thenuke> bob2: what would be an easy to use CD-copier :I
[06:27] <thenuke> bob2: need it for my sister
[06:27] <kent> thenuke, use k3b, it works better.
[06:27] <bob2> I don't know
[06:27] <magneto> thenuke k3b
[06:27] <bob2> k3b has it's own issues
[06:27] <KING```> yes
[06:27] <thenuke> I will try that
[06:28] <KING```> ok i have found it
[06:28] <magneto> King:  then press that button that says run
[06:28] <KING```> yes it works
[06:28] <FlopsyPete> I'm just trying to get a feel for how self configured Ubuntu is as I'm currently learning to setup such things in Debian for desktop users
[06:29] <magneto> KING: congrats
[06:31] <KING```> thanks
[06:32] <thenuke> aaand, there are non-free HSF-modem drivers available but what might that non-free mean :o  I would have to pay for them?
[06:32] <jono> what is a modeline?
[06:32] <RuffianSoldier> jono?
[06:32] <RuffianSoldier> jono bacon?
[06:32] <jono> RuffianSoldier, yep
[06:32] <RuffianSoldier> HEY!
[06:32] <jono> hi
[06:32] <RuffianSoldier> I love the mag
[06:32] <thenuke> I found from the web some hsf-modem drivers which I would have need to pay to get them fully working, so I thought this might be the same case then
[06:32] <jono> which one?
[06:33] <RuffianSoldier> LXF
[06:33] <jono> oh cheers :)
[06:33] <RuffianSoldier> I talk to Mike Saunders sometimes at #syllable
[06:33] <jono> cool :)
[06:33] <RuffianSoldier> loved your Ubuntu artical.  and check out www.watsky.net         I  think youll like it!
[06:34] <jono> RuffianSoldier, cheers :) cool
[06:34] <jono> I love Ubuntu
[06:35] <KING```> magneto: can i make an icon from that executabile to much easier use ?
[06:35] <magneto> jono: modelines are information about resolutions your video adapter will run
[06:35] <magneto> KING: yes you can
[06:35] <jono> magneto, if I specify a modeline, does that provide the right refesh rates
[06:36] <magneto> KING: do you remember the name of that program you ran?
[06:37] <KING```> yes magneto
[06:37] <magneto> jono: they are supposed to when used correctly in your XF86Config-4/xorg.conf file but I don't use them, I find it easier to specify my monitor's correct info and set the rates I want
[06:38] <theBishop> my CDs arrived!!1
[06:39] <RuffianSoldier> YAY!
[06:39] <magneto> jono: if you use google and search for XF86Config  and the name of your video adapter you can get some good ideas on how to set your xf86config file if you dont want to run xf86config
[06:39] <RuffianSoldier> I have been wating months for my CDs :-(
[06:39] <magneto> bishop: what country are you in?
[06:39] <magneto> King: where do you want the icon?
[06:39] <KING```> in multimedia
[06:40] <magneto> on the panel at the top or bottom? on your desktop? in the applications --> Internet  menu?
[06:40] <KING```> yes Internet Menu
[06:40] <KING```> that it would be great
[06:40] <thenuke> k3b gave me shitload of errors :)
[06:41] <thenuke> warning: icon directory .. not valid
[06:42] <magneto> ok KING: go to the internet folder and right click on it - right click anywhere in that menu  choose  Entire Menu>  Add new item to this menu       and a window will popup
[06:42] <thenuke> and does not go anywhere from the point where it says "scanning for CD devices"
[06:42] <Frustrated> hey everyone
[06:42] <Frustrated> anyone know how to get acpi working on a hp pavillion laptop?
[06:42] <thenuke> My faith for ubuntu starts to crumble
[06:42] <thenuke> does not seem to be so perfect after a few minutes of use =)
[06:43] <Bertie> HI. Where is the best place to find novice help with ubuntu problems
[06:43] <RuffianSoldier> jono, look into the distro BeatrIX.  It is uses the Ubuntu repos and "Ubuntu-ized" debs, and its a knoppix-remastered distro.  VERY FAST!  www.watsky.net  and check out the official channel #beatrix (im the op) ;-)
[06:43] <magneto> thenuke: privileges for your recording devices-  k3bsetup2 - k3b isnt bundled with ubuntu :)
[06:44] <thenuke> magneto: there should be a little bit more software then bundled
[06:44] <thenuke> magneto: if I cant get any non-bundled recorder working :P
[06:44] <magneto> thenuke: yeah but then they'd try to support its use
[06:45] <magneto> thenuke i didnt have any problems other then permissions and using the right repository where the deps were good
[06:45] <thenuke> magneto: k3bsetup asks for roots password, and does not accept it
[06:45] <magneto> thenuke: so k3b wont run at all- it dies on scanning? try running it with sudo
[06:46] <KING```> magneto
[06:46] <magneto> ive seen that one nuke- its a vicious circle
[06:46] <KING```> i have done that
[06:46] <thenuke> sudo k3bsetup says that it cannot find some file..
[06:46] <magneto> thenuke: kdesu os sumthing right
[06:46] <RuffianSoldier> hmmmm
[06:46] <thenuke> command kcmshell k3bsetup2 not found
[06:46] <magneto> King: so you see that window?
[06:47] <KING```> yes magneto
[06:47] <KING```> i have to complete name , generic name , comment , command ... etc
[06:47] <magneto> KING: where it says Name  type Bittornado
[06:47] <thenuke> Oh god damnit, I just remembered that I tried upgrading to hoary on this box :)
[06:47] <magneto> KING: yes
[06:47] <magneto> only name and command
[06:47] <thenuke> I hope thats the reason for these
[06:47] <thenuke> but dunno
[06:47] <thenuke> could it be.
[06:47] <KING```> ok magneto
[06:48] <magneto> thenuke: install those packages
[06:48] <KING```> and in command ?
[06:48] <Bertie> Where can I find help with Rhythmbox?
[06:48] <magneto> kcontrols kcmshell
[06:48] <magneto> KING: in command type the name of the program you just ran
[06:49] <thenuke> magneto: no such package available
[06:49] <magneto> thenuke: i had that issue- install kcmshell - k3bsetup will fail if it doesnt see kcmshell kdesu or k3bsetup2
[06:49] <KING```> ok magneto , it works , thanks
[06:49] <thenuke> apt-get install kcmshell does not work :I cant find the package
[06:50] <magneto> thenuke: its in another package
[06:50] <magneto> thenuke: try kcontrols
[06:50] <magneto> or kde-base-bin
[06:50] <thenuke> magneto: no go for kcontrols too
[06:51] <magneto> thenuke: hold on ill go look
[06:51] <thenuke> kde-base-bin, nope.
[06:51] <magneto> KING: right click on your "shortcut" and choose properties and click where it says no icon and you can choose an icon
[06:51] <davmor2> does any one know if there is a program like freemem in windows for ubuntu?
[06:52] <magneto> kdebase-bin
[06:52] <Bertie> Any Ubuntu Rythmbox experts here?
[06:52] <magneto> thenuke : its in kdebase-bin
[06:52] <thenuke> already installed
[06:52] <davmor2> what's wrong bertie
[06:53] <RuffianSoldier> bertie, I am not, but I can become one for you
[06:53] <magneto> thenuke: what is your error when running k3bsetup
[06:53] <kent> is there some way to change the cursor-theme in Ubuntu? I saw on gnome-look.org that is possible to change in gnome (and even heard of it before). I dont realy need to change it, but it would be fun to check out, but i dont see how it is to be done :(
[06:54] <Bertie> When I try to import a folder in to Rythmbox in fact before to window even opens Rthmbox hangs up
[06:54] <thenuke> "command kcmshell k3bsetup2 not found"
[06:54] <thenuke> magneto: hmm, I think I might have somekind of problem with this cd-rw drive in matter of fact
[06:55] <thenuke> I put in some audioCD and tried to open it
[06:55] <thenuke> and it does not do anything
[06:55] <davmor2> thenuke try running root shell type k3b
[06:55] <thenuke> davmor2: thats when it gave that error
[06:55] <Keybuk> these sweets are evil
[06:55] <RuffianSoldier> no!
[06:55] <thenuke> oh, no it does not give that error
[06:55] <thenuke> but hmm
[06:56] <magneto> thenuke: ?
[06:56] <thenuke> it does not get forward from scanning devices.. but now I must figure out if this cd-rw is even working in here
[06:56] <magneto> ide drive? usb?
[06:56] <thenuke> magneto: ide
[06:56] <davmor2> thenuke don't sudo it ,apps,  system tools, root terminal
[06:56] <thenuke> another ide-cd works
[06:56] <magneto> ls -al /dev/hd*
[06:57] <Bertie> Any ideas guys?
[06:57] <magneto> you see the device?
[06:57] <wood1> Hello to All
[06:57] <thenuke> argh, now there is many k3b's running in the background
[06:57] <thenuke> and I cant kill them
[06:57] <magneto> Bertie: naw man sorry
[06:57] <davmor2> bertie try just creating a playlist of the folder rather than importing it
[06:57] <thenuke> like I cant kill about anything else which gets stucked in the background =)
[06:57] <magneto> hung wasup
[06:57] <thenuke> sudo kill -9 k3b does not kill em
[06:58] <thenuke> killall i mean
[06:58] <magneto> thenuke: killall k3b
[06:58] <thenuke> magneto: yes, no go. as a root
[06:58] <wood1> Well the installation part of Ubuntu installation
[06:58] <Amaranth> thenuke: They are zombies.
[06:58] <magneto> thenuke: kill the first one on the list
[06:58] <Amaranth> init will hopefully pick up on them soon enough but they can't be killed
[06:58] <Amaranth> otherwise you have to restart to get rid of them
[06:58] <wood1> I can just install the Ubuntu Base and install GRUB and it boots right
[06:58] <davmor2> bertie any joy
[06:59] <wood1> Amaranth, am I right ?
[06:59] <magneto> Hungsquirrel: whats up
[06:59] <HungSquirrel> hello everyone
[06:59] <Bertie> davmor (I will try thanks)
[06:59] <HungSquirrel> finally got in here
[06:59] <Amaranth> wood1: iirc debootstrap + grub would get you a booting system
[06:59] <HungSquirrel> had to use port 6666
[06:59] <thenuke> magneto: does not work
[06:59] <Amaranth> but i don't think you'd have a user account
[06:59] <thenuke> Amaranth: oookey
[06:59] <wood1> I decided to reinstall Warty from a CD ROM rather than do a Network or SSH install
[06:59] <Amaranth> and root is locked by default
[06:59] <magneto> thenuke: where did u run it? gnome-term or console?
[07:00] <Amaranth> thenuke: I've had k3b lock my cdrom drive and go zombie on me, it sucks.
[07:00] <thenuke> magneto: gnome-term
[07:00] <magneto> kill the term nuke
[07:00] <Amaranth> Took 12 hours for init to kill it.
[07:00] <HungSquirrel> time for class, bbl
[07:00] <magneto> later hung
[07:00] <davmor2> bertie all I did was double click each song i wanted and rythmbox set up a play list i just start rythmbox and click on the playlist
[07:00] <thenuke> magneto: so what about that ls -al /dev/hd* .. I can see there hdb and hdc as cdrom-drives
[07:00] <Breeder> how do i know the name of the package that contains the midnight commander?
[07:01] <RuffianSoldier> I love MC!
[07:01] <RuffianSoldier> its MC
[07:01] <RuffianSoldier> apt-get install mc
[07:01] <magneto> thenuke: is your cdrom responsive at all though?
[07:01] <wood1> Well Amaranth, I almost installed Lunar Linux over Warty
[07:01] <RuffianSoldier> Breeder, apt-get install mc
[07:01] <Amaranth> thenuke: the real system name for those drives is /dev/hdb and /dev/hdc, the /dev/cdrom0 and /dev/cdrom1 are what we call symlinks
[07:01] <thenuke> magneto: let's see I try to mount it
[07:01] <Amaranth> they aren't really anything, they just point to the real drives
[07:01] <stoned> freddy__, are you here
[07:01] <Breeder> i've already tried that
[07:01] <thenuke> Amaranth: ok, thats good to know
[07:02] <stoned> i jonied becuase you left #debian
[07:02] <freddy__> stoned: yeah
[07:02] <stoned> you will get this error if you try to run an X program as root
[07:02] <stoned> try running it as a regular user
[07:02] <Breeder> apt-get install mc wont install
[07:02] <Synek> hi
[07:02] <davmor2> any joy bertie
[07:02] <freddy__> stoned: ah...
[07:02] <magneto> thenuke: if the device isnt operational then all the software associated won't work
[07:02] <Amaranth> thenuke: It might sound odd to have that but it gives a unified interface to the CD-ROM drive so you can move the drive to slave or master or whatnot or even replace it with a SCSI drive and programs that need it will still work.
[07:02] <stoned> anyway ubuntu != debian :)
[07:03] <thenuke> yes, it got mounted OK
[07:03] <thenuke> so it works
[07:03] <magneto> ok
[07:03] <thenuke> Amaranth: makes sense perfectly :)
[07:03] <magneto> thenuke: check those k3b processes
[07:03] <thenuke> k.
[07:03] <charley> Just installed ubuntu, and i love it. Thank you everybody.
[07:03] <RuffianSoldier> np!
[07:04] <thenuke> zombies are still in the house
[07:04] <davmor2> bob 2 are you about
[07:04] <RuffianSoldier> charley, check out www.watsky.net --- if you like Ubuntu, Im sure youll like this!   also check out the official channel #beatrix
[07:04] <magneto> still cant kill them
[07:04] <thenuke> nnope :I
[07:05] <magneto> weird- amaranth might be better able to help since hes had that same issue -i never had it
[07:05] <davmor2> thenuke just use nautilus
[07:05] <magneto> davmor2: to copy a cd
[07:05] <thenuke> davmor2: sure if it works :) So I can use it to copy audio cd's?
[07:05] <Breeder> so how do i install midnight commander ( sudo apt-get install mc doesnt find any package)
[07:06] <magneto> you can use commandline nuke- but isnt this for your sister or something
[07:06] <RuffianSoldier> Breeder, you have to enable Universe
[07:06] <RuffianSoldier> Breeder, open synaptic
[07:07] <RuffianSoldier> then open "repositories" i think it is
[07:07] <thenuke> magneto: yup :I I could make scripts for her though
[07:07] <thenuke> humh.. now the other cdrom wont mount =)
[07:08] <thenuke> I'll try booting
[07:08] <magneto> nuke: yeah but i think your system has other issues
[07:08] <thenuke> and get rid of those zombies
[07:08] <magneto> thenuke: have you updated your system
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> Breeder, after you do that, check all the boxes that are called "Universe" then apt-get update
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> then your good to go
[07:08] <KING```> in bittorent there is no read me file ? or how to use that program ?
[07:09] <freddy__> I'm a newbee and have just booted the live CD. But as soon as I have the terminal open, none of the programs will open. If I try to open them from command line I get: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[07:10] <magneto> KING - google.com bittornado linux -  i believe any .torrent you open should automatically open btdownload
[07:10] <magneto> for torrents try supernova.org
[07:10] <davmor2> Magneto: surely you can just copy the contents from one drive to the other or use grip to rip the cd then burn the image using cd creator
[07:11] <wood1> Everyone, how do I burn an ISO Image in Nautilas and make it bootable too ?
[07:11] <magneto> davmor2: yeah but from one minute to the next his drives randomly go out
[07:12] <KING```> i have torrents magneto , but i don;t know how to use bittornado that i have installed
[07:12] <magneto> davmor2: you're right - i was only thinking direct copy
[07:13] <magneto> KING: have you tried double clicking a torrent file in nautilus
[07:13] <KING```> nautilus ?
[07:14] <magneto> the window you see all your folders in is a program called nautilus
[07:14] <davmor2> King just left click the torrent a window opens select btdownlodgui.tornado as the application to use
[07:14] <wood1> RuffianSoldier, how does BeatrIX update itself ?
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> wood1, hold on, let me check.......... I believe apt-get upgrade        dont see why not.
[07:15] <wood1> RuffianSoldier, Have you installed it yet ?
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> wood1, I havent got too :-(  no running linux boxes.  I am going to when my new computer arives.  Overall, its much faster then ubuntu
[07:16] <davmor2> wood1 It should just set up the file system if your burning an iso image
[07:17] <davmor2> wood1 if you want to speed up ubuntu just download the i686 kernels
[07:17] <RuffianSoldier> or download Ubuntu
[07:17] <RuffianSoldier> i mean, Bea
[07:17] <RuffianSoldier> :-/
[07:17] <freddy__> ubuntu is pretty but when u cant get any other programs to run than from the commandline, well, why have a graphical layer ...
[07:18] <thenuke> freddy__: I think you can add them to desktop
[07:18] <intinig> how can I mount my ntfs partitions in ubuntu?
[07:18] <bob2> freddy__: sure you can
[07:18] <bob2> freddy__: a) many add themselves to the menus, b) you can add the rest if you want them to
[07:18] <bob2> intinig: edit /etc/fstab, add something like this:
[07:18] <RuffianSoldier> hello bob2
[07:19] <freddy__> but I get this annoying error every time I try to open something Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[07:19] <bob2> /dev/whatever /mnt/ ntfs defaults,umask=002 0 0
[07:19] <davmor2> Freddy I'm an x windows user I still prefer things to have a gui and I can use them
[07:19] <intinig> bob2, shouldn't disk manager be able to mount them? It sees them but says they're inaccessible
[07:19] <bob2> freddy__: sure that's not you trying to run stuff as root?
[07:19] <bob2> intinig: is it a removable device?
[07:19] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: hi
[07:20] <freddy__> no I'm warty
[07:20] <davmor2> bob2 any idea if there is something like freemem
[07:20] <bob2> freddy__: as your user, you can't run programs from an xterm?
[07:20] <bob2> davmor2: I don't know what that is
[07:20] <intinig> bob2, other partitions on the same HD
[07:20] <freddy__> bob2: no
[07:20] <thenuke> hm, this gets again pretty jammed, when I try to mount some cd and it does not mount
[07:20] <freddy__> bob2: I getthis error
[07:20] <thenuke> then I cannot do anything with that drive anymore :)
[07:20] <bob2> intinig: then you'll need to edit fstab, but only once
[07:20] <intinig> I see
[07:21] <bob2> thenuke: some drives are buggy, and the kernel doesn't always "convince" them to reset
[07:21] <davmor2> bob2 a program to free up unused memory when apps have finished with it
[07:21] <bob2> freddy__: when doing what?
[07:21] <bob2> davmor2: erm, that program does nothing
[07:21] <bob2> davmor2: the kernel frees memory when programs close
[07:22] <freddy__> bob2: when I forexample start firefox from commandline, I get:Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[07:22] <thenuke> bob2: can I do anything else but change the drive then :)
[07:22] <bob2> freddy__: from where? a terminal in X?  or a virtual console?
[07:22] <davmor2> bob2 Okay ta system just seemed to be using lots that was all
[07:22] <freddy__> bob2: from a terminal in X
[07:22] <bob2> davmor2: where did you see this program?
[07:22] <intinig> bob2, it was easier than that, I had to choose an mount point from disks manager and then I could enable it from there
[07:22] <bob2> freddy__: as your normal user?
[07:22] <bob2> intinig: ok
[07:22] <freddy__> bob2: yes
[07:23] <wood1> Well RuffianSoldier, it seems that BeatrIX Linux seems to be written mostly for VIA Motherboards
[07:23] <davmor2> bob2 was a windows program
[07:23] <bob2> davmor2: the kernel uses all ram not used by programs as disk cache.  if something needs it, the kernel fushes the buffers
[07:23] <bob2> davmor2: ah, right
[07:23] <bob2> freddy__: I don't know how that could happen
[07:23] <RuffianSoldier> wood1, quite wrong.  It can be ran on almost any Pentium like CPU (x86)
[07:23] <RuffianSoldier> its been ran on a i486 :-D
[07:24] <bob2> wood1: distrwit would be very difficult for a distribution to be motherboard-specific
[07:24] <freddy__> bob2: ok :(
[07:24] <bob2> freddy__: try the list
[07:24] <davmor2> bob2 okay ta for the kernel lesson know what is using it now:)
[07:24] <freddy__> bob2: list??
[07:24] <bob2> freddy__: the ubuntu-user list, http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[07:24] <bob2> davmor2: hehe np
[07:25] <freddy__> bob2: ah...ok thanks
[07:25] <freddy__> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[07:25] <RuffianSoldier> hmmmm
[07:25] <daniels> something tells me freddy ran something as root and trashed his .Xauthority
[07:26] <bob2> ah, a fun new way for k3b to break things
[07:26] <wood1> For those of you familiar with the Via motherboard that we wrote this on, yes, it certainly does run on it, unlike many, if not most flavors of Linux.
[07:26] <magneto> bob2: lol damn has k3b been that unkind to you?
[07:27] <bob2> magneto: hah, I've never used it
[07:27] <magneto> lol
[07:27] <bob2> it just seems to cause more problems for users than any other program in the history of the universe
[07:27] <wood1> With the exception of the kernel compiling, the entire system was written on the bottom-of-the-line Via EPIA motherboard.
[07:27] <bob2> including MyDoom and "the Melissa worm", afaict
[07:27] <magneto> bob2: i believe you have k3b confused with gdesklets
[07:27] <magneto> lol
[07:27] <wood1> That's BeatrIX last line
[07:27] <bob2> wood1: motherboard support is a kernel thing
[07:28] <bob2> wood1: but other distros are off-topic here, try #beatrix or #potter or something
[07:28] <bob2> magneto: nah, it's just pointless ;-)
[07:29] <wood1> Anyway, I am now in the process of reinstalling Ubuntu Warty
[07:29] <magneto> bob2: ive never had any issues with k3b   now ive had python pergatory with gdesklets though
[07:29] <davmor2> bob2 if the kernel is basically sitting in the memory is that why the live cds work
[07:29] <charleyramm> running gnome in ubuntu. There is an X stuck in the middle of my screen. has anyone come across this before?
[07:29] <bob2> davmor2: once the kernel loads, it never moves from that memory, yeah
[07:29] <wood1> I can just install the Ubuntu Base and the GRUB booter and it works right out of the box right
[07:29] <bob2> davmor2: don't livecds require the cd to be in the drive at all time?
[07:29] <wood1> I really messed up my other system with Hoary
[07:30] <bob2> charleyramm: s3 or savage card?
[07:30] <charleyramm> yes
[07:30] <wood1> Hoary went nuts
[07:30] <charleyramm> Something like that. Its an acer laptop.
[07:30] <bob2> you need to enable SWCursor, which google or daniels knows the exact syntax for
[07:30] <daniels> or the faq on the wiki
[07:30] <charleyramm> ok, if i can find it.
[07:30] <charleyramm> SWCursor...
[07:31] <davmor2> bob2 ok that's interesting and yes they do need to been in all the time they act like a hard drive but i could never figure out how they worked but after you said about the kernel things knida fell into place
[07:31] <bob2> davmor2: hm, ok
[07:32] <xukun> what do I need to add in the source.lst to apt-get f-prot(anti virus)?
[07:32] <davmor2> bob2 Knoppix was how i got into linux after having a huge boot sector virus in windows
[07:32] <thenuke> oookey, when I put audioCD in my CD-RW it opens up cdplayer.. I close that, and try to open the cd with nautilus
[07:32] <bob2> davmor2: ah, right
[07:32] <thenuke> but it just says it cannot open it
[07:32] <bob2> thenuke: what should nautilus do with an audi ocd?
[07:32] <bob2> they're not mountable
[07:32] <thenuke> for fcks sake Im going slightly mad with this
[07:33] <thenuke> bob2: someone told me to use it to copy cd's
[07:33] <bob2> erm, ok
[07:34] <jono> anyone run Kismet here?
[07:34] <RuffianSoldier> whats kismet?
[07:34] <thenuke> any other ideas about some simple cd-copy software
[07:34] <kent> thenuke, I have not read this channel so im sorry if i missed something but.., have you had any issues copying the disc with k3b?
[07:35] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: apt-cache search kismet
[07:35] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[07:35] <magneto> thenuke: youd have to use it with a program like grip - to rip the cd then burn the mp3s or whatever type of files you ripped back to another cd
[07:35] <JStrike> There isn't any good cd-copying software out for Gnome yet
[07:35] <diesel> RuffianSoldier, Remember on Friday when I (diesel) could not boot ubuntu past the "Setting Hardware Clock.  Using Hardware Clock as a reference?"
[07:35] <thenuke> magneto: ookeyp
[07:35] <thenuke> hmm, what I can use to empty RW
[07:35] <bob2> gcombust has an option for it, iirc
[07:36] <Synek> thenuke : xcdroast? cdrecord
[07:36] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, C:\WINDOWS\system32>apt-cache search kismet  'apt-cache' is not recognized as an internal or external comman, operable program or batch file.
[07:36] <charleyramm> bob2: I added 'Option "HWCursor" "false"' to the device section of XF86Config-4. Just restarting x-server.
[07:36] <magneto> thenuke: it will do it autmotically in nautilus  and what synek said
[07:36] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: clever
[07:36] <RuffianSoldier> :-)
[07:36] <RuffianSoldier> cant apt-cache in windows?
[07:36] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[07:36] <magneto> lol
[07:36] <Synek> ;)
[07:37] <magneto> apt-cache search windows-fcking-clue
[07:37] <RuffianSoldier> haha
[07:37] <thenuke> Synek: xcdroast said that I would need to enable scsi-support in kernel if I was to use IDE-drives with it
[07:37] <RuffianSoldier> I am forced to use Windows :-( no running Lin box )
[07:37] <magneto> ruffian- i use it too sometimes im ashamed to say
[07:38] <wood1> By the way, what is the correct format for the Swap Partition for Ubuntu ?
[07:38] <davmor2> jono: didn't know you used ubuntu
[07:38] <magneto> thenuke: old versions of cd-record required that
[07:38] <charley> bob2: Its gone now. Thank you.
[07:38] <davmor2> Jono: knew you'd tested it
[07:38] <yq> hi
[07:38] <bob2> thenuke: xcdroast is amazingly out of date if it still says that
[07:38] <bob2> cdrecord itself also prints untrue warnings, tho
[07:38] <wood1> Should I put the Swap Partition in the Primary Sector
[07:39] <wood1> bob2, should I put the Swap partition in the Primary sector ?
[07:39] <yq> can anyone say me how to install ATI drivers?
[07:39] <bob2> I've never heard the term "primary sector", sorry
[07:39] <bob2> yq: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:39] <magneto> jono: kismet yeah - you wardriving?
[07:40] <wood1> Well Swap should be in the Logical partition
[07:40] <davmor2> Jono: I have no wireless products don't need it
[07:40] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: please turn that off
[07:41] <bob2> wood1: it doesn't matter
[07:41] <thenuke> I dont understand how to use cdrecord
[07:41] <bob2> cdrecord doesn't help you copy cds
[07:41] <bob2> if you want to copy audio cds "learn cdrdao" or "use gcombust"
[07:41] <davmor2> bob2 do you ever switch your system off
[07:42] <bob2> davmor2: no
[07:43] <wood1> bob2, Would making a separate /home partition be better than making a /boot partition ?
[07:43] <bob2> wood1: yes
[07:43] <wood1> You are sure about that ?
[07:43] <xukun> bob2 why not cdrecord?
[07:43] <guillaum1> hello everyone !
[07:44] <guillaum1> someone could help me about xfree ?
[07:45] <magneto> thenuke: youd have to make an iso of the audio cd and then burn it with cdrecord or rip it then burn it with cdrecord
[07:45] <wood1> bob2, should I create the /home partition in the primary and the beginning of the partition ?
[07:45] <davmor2> what aobut xfree
[07:45] <guillaum1> i just installed ubuntoo
[07:45] <Radi0ShacK> hello ppl
[07:45] <guillaum1> and when u type X
[07:45] <guillaum1> X start and stop
[07:45] <bob2> xukun: meh, I've always used cdrdao.  plus it has a command for "dump out the cd in a format I can burn"
[07:45] <guillaum1> ...
[07:45] <bob2> wood1: it doesn't matter
[07:45] <rodi> heh, there's your problem guillaum1
[07:46] <magneto> guillaum1: try gdm
[07:46] <xukun> bob2: I see
[07:46] <guillaum1> gdm is not installed...
[07:46] <magneto> startx
[07:46] <Radi0ShacK> hi i am thinking of installing ubutu on my laptop now whic version of kernel does ubuntu include?
[07:46] <bob2> Radi0ShacK: 2.6.8.1
[07:47] <bob2> guillaum1: gdm is part of the base system
[07:47] <bob2> er, desktop
[07:47] <magneto> startx with the use manager of choice in ~/.xinitrc
[07:47] <guillaum1> startx doesn t exist... it s like when i type Xfree86 or X it does the samething as startx
[07:47] <freddy__> bob2: I found out when that happens, that I get the error. It's after I get the network setup!
[07:47] <bob2> guillaum1: did you do a custom install or "upgrade" from Debian?
[07:47] <bob2> freddy__: which you run as root?
[07:47] <Radi0ShacK> bob2, does support centrino technology?
[07:47] <guillaum1> normal install... i mean i followed all step that ubuntu install cd provide me
[07:47] <bob2> Radi0ShacK: haha, yes
[07:47] <guillaum1> i try root and normal user
[07:48] <bob2> guillaum1: you install, from, scratch, and you don't have gdm or startx anywhere on your disk?
[07:48] <guillaum1> nope
[07:48] <freddy__> bob2: eh... dunno. I run it from the 'computer' menu
[07:48] <guillaum1> i don t have it...
[07:48] <Radi0ShacK> bob2, :) what r u laughing @
[07:48] <magneto> guillaum1 did u do a custom or customexpert install
[07:48] <guillaum1> i did the basic install
[07:48] <bob2> Radi0ShacK: the phrase "centrino technology" is just a tad funny :)
[07:48] <wood1> hey bob2, Ok done with the partition table, the Ubuntu Base installation is starting.
[07:48] <guillaum1> where u just have to say yes yes... lol
[07:49] <bob2> "basic"?
[07:49] <Radi0ShacK> bob2, kernel 2.6.8.1 in testing version or stable version?
[07:49] <arzajac> guillaum1: any errirs?
[07:49] <Radi0ShacK> bob2, HEH
[07:49] <arzajac> guillaum1: any errors?
[07:49] <magneto> guillam1- did your installation have any errors
[07:49] <guillaum1> i mean when i put the ubuntu cd, y press ok to the begining... and i followed the steps
[07:49] <bob2> Radi0ShacK: stable
[07:49] <guillaum1> no errors...
[07:49] <xukun> bob2: if one(me) is looking for a package or a programm which you you want to install it using apt, but you cant find it, what would one do?. I know the package is there when using debian unstable but for this system I,m using sarge
[07:49] <guillaum1> very strange...
[07:49] <Radi0ShacK> that's really cool thanks bob2
[07:49] <freddy__> Newbee: how do I install this ubuntu live CD onto my harddisc?
[07:49] <wood1> magneto, can I just install Ubuntu Base and GRUB Boot Loader and install the rest from the Internet ?
[07:50] <kineox> hi
[07:50] <arzajac> guillaum1: what happens when you boot?
[07:50] <wood1> hey
[07:50] <guillaum1> i ve got grub
[07:50] <bob2> xukun: apt-cache search blah
[07:50] <magneto> xukun: google for it or try apt-get.org
[07:50] <arzajac> wood1: yes
[07:50] <guillaum1> and i choose ubunto
[07:50] <bob2> xukun: if it's not there, it's not in the realse of debian/ubuntu you're using
[07:50] <guillaum1> and it boot
[07:50] <guillaum1> and i get a console login ...
[07:50] <xukun> bob2: sorry I tryied apt-casche nothing
[07:51] <magneto> xukun: or make one yourself
[07:51] <wood1> what's the first thing I do after installing ubuntu-base and rebooting ?
[07:51] <arzajac> guillaum1: sudo apt-get -f install
[07:51] <freddy__> is there a program like knx_hdinstall in knoppix for installing ubuntu ?
[07:51] <wood1> apt-get update and apt-get upgrade ?
[07:51] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[07:51] <guillaum1> O update....
[07:51] <arzajac> wood1: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:51] <bob2> wood1: use it
[07:51] <bob2> freddy__: no
[07:51] <bob2> freddy__: just use the install cd
[07:51] <guillaum1> it said everything is ok
[07:51] <wood1> Well I think I have to my sources.list to remove the CD ROM option, right ?
[07:52] <arzajac> guillaum1: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:52] <Radi0ShacK> bob2, do u know when new release will be "when it's stable" available
[07:52] <guillaum1> ok
[07:52] <wood1> I won't have the option of using the CD-ROM tomorrow morning
[07:52] <yq> sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver gives mi an error, that it was not possible to find this packet
[07:52] <freddy__> bob2: oh shit! I dont have such a CD and my burner is broken
[07:52] <xukun> magneto: thanx, cant find nothing in google yet, but I will try googling some more!
[07:52] <arzajac> wood1: Comment it out and add a reposiroty on the net
[07:52] <guillaum1> ok
[07:52] <bob2> Radi0ShacK: april 2005
[07:52] <guillaum1> it ask me for 540mo
[07:52] <wood1> Ok arzajax
[07:52] <magneto> xukun: what app
[07:52] <guillaum1> :)
[07:52] <Radi0ShacK> thanks every one
[07:52] <bob2> yq: please read the wiki page I told you about
[07:53] <arzajac> guillaum1: make it go.
[07:53] <guillaum1> ok
[07:53] <xukun> magneto: f-prot. and agian this is not ubuntu but debian sarge, its an old system which is too old for ubuntu
[07:53] <guillaum1> ok it s on the cd :)
[07:53] <wood1> Oh NO, my installation is now hanged !!!!!!!
[07:53] <daniels> xukun: if you have a debian question, try asking in #debian.
[07:54] <wood1> at only 12%
[07:54] <daniels> xukun: and ubuntu will work on systems that sarge works on (unless you have something other than i386/amd64/powerpc)
[07:54] <guillaum1> Thanks... i hope it will works
[07:54] <wood1> Well something went wrong
[07:54] <arzajac> wood1: Lost your connection?
[07:54] <kineox> I've just installed ubuntu, it works well, but I've seen that it is released every 6 months... does it means that firefox (and others appli) will be updated only in march ?
[07:54] <Synek> Does default kernel allow me to use ppp (isdn) for internet connection?
[07:54] <bob2> kineox: in the stable version, yes
[07:54] <magneto> xukun: try f-prot they have it
[07:54] <davmor2> bob2 I have universe and multiverse repositories listed any others for apps or is there no need.
[07:55] <bob2> kineox: that's why it's called "stable" ;)
[07:55] <bob2> davmor2: list whichever you want
[07:55] <xukun> daniels: I know that but I needed just the base system without any x-window
[07:55] <bob2> I don't have multiverse listed
[07:55] <kineox> bob2, i want to use firefox 1.0, I have to use apt-get ? no way with Synaptic ?
[07:55] <marsjays> whenever i close the lid on my laptop, it automagically switches VT or something, so i have to switch back to X with alt-f7.. damn annoying, anyone know how to fix it?
[07:55] <xukun> daniels: but I got the point, you are wright
[07:56] <xukun> magneto: thanks
[07:56] <bob2> kineox: um, apt and synaptic use the exact same list of available packages
[07:56] <bob2> marsjays: it's a feature
[07:56] <magneto> xukun: http://www.f-prot.com/download/trial_forms/linux-ws-deb.html
[07:56] <bob2> marsjays: since lots of video cards catch fire if you try to suspend while in X
[07:56] <daniels> xukun: boot with 'linux custom' if you want
[07:56] <Treenaks> bob2: catch fire!?
[07:56] <bob2> Treenaks: well, hang
[07:56] <magneto> lol bob2
[07:57] <Treenaks> bob2: mine explodes on un-suspend :)
[07:57] <bob2> Treenaks: get an x40 :P
[07:57] <davmor2> bob2 it was one on ubuntu wiki site.  What I meant was are there any other repositories that can be used with ubuntu
[07:57] <kineox> bob2, it is just a GUI ? so I've not found the option to accept testing packages...
[07:57] <Treenaks> bob2: I _demand_ widescreen ;)
[07:57] <marsjays> bob2: ok.. any way to make it behave differently? like disabling suspend-on-lid-shut?
[07:57] <bob2> Treenaks: hahaha
[07:57] <bob2> davmor2: there are lots, but they're made by random people who may or may not be any good at it
[07:58] <bob2> kineox: you want to switch to the unstable version of ubuntu?
[07:58] <davmor2> bob2 ok I'll just stick with these for now then they work most of the time
[07:58] <kineox> bob2, of course :D
[07:58] <bob2> marsjays: edit /etc/acpi/ something
[07:58] <marsjays> bob2: ok, thanks
[07:59] <bob2> kineox: it's pretty broken in some ways at the moment
[07:59] <bob2> prepare.sh
[07:59] <kineox> bob2, no problem
[07:59] <bob2> to disable video switrching
[07:59] <bob2> to disable the lid thing, /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn or so
[07:59] <bob2> kineox: you know how ti fix /home not being mounted?
[08:00] <kineox> bob2, I think I can do that
[08:01] <wood1> Does anybody know why my Ubuntu base installation got hanged at 12% ?
[08:01] <wood1> kineox ?
[08:02] <kineox> hmm ?
[08:02] <arzajac> wood1: did you go to vt3 to see error messages?
[08:04] <bob2> kineox: change 'warty' to 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list, run 'apt-get update', 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[08:04] <bob2> make sure you have all the bits of ubunut-desktop installed
[08:04] <kineox> thanks
[08:05] <wood1> Arzajac, it seems that my Disc is not being read by the CD-DRVE !!!!!!!
[08:06] <arzajac> wood1: What is the error?
[08:06] <magneto> later everybody
[08:06] <njs12345> when I boot my Ubuntu system for the first time, I get a GDM error
[08:07] <arzajac> njs12345: install k3b?
[08:07] <njs12345> I'm switching from Gentoo, I have my xorg.conf backed up.. but GDM is started on boot and when GDM doesn't work I can't switch to a virtual terminal
[08:07] <njs12345> so I'm kinda stuck
[08:07] <jcole> wood1: at a linux prompt type "md5sum warty-release-install-i386.iso" and make sure it equals "a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0"
[08:07] <bob2> yq: please keep discussion in the channel
[08:08] <njs12345> arzajac: GDM as in the Gnome Display Manager
[08:08] <arzajac> njs12345: Yeah.  The ICEauthority is buggered by k3b?  Gives an error when GDS starts...
[08:09] <njs12345> oh
[08:09] <njs12345> I've not got K3b installed
[08:09] <Treenaks> arzajac: remove it..
[08:09] <zAo^> lo all
[08:09] <njs12345> it gives a "Rate out of range" error on my monitor
[08:10] <njs12345> and Ctrl+Alt+F<1-9> do nothing
[08:10] <arzajac> njs12345: It may or may not be your problem.  Change theownership of .ICEAuthority to your user...
[08:10] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: please turn that off
[08:10] <zAo^> ctrl+alt+bckspc?
[08:10] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, what you talking about???
[08:10] <njs12345> zAo^: does nothing either
[08:11] <Synek> RuffianSoldier: public away
[08:11] <zAo^> you have another station there? ssh to your machine and change XF86Config-4
[08:11] <RuffianSoldier> ??
[08:11] <jcole> bob2: since ubuntu uses sudo, is it still possible to use the kernel parameter "single"? might solve njs12345 problem...
[08:11] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: the public away thing
[08:11] <RuffianSoldier> public away?
[08:11] <njs12345> I guess I could find my (R)(I)(P) disk and use it to setup X through a chroot, but before I do it, is there a Grub option that stops GDM from being started on boot?
[08:11] <RuffianSoldier> oh, i see
[08:11] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, whats wrong with it :-(
[08:11] <Synek> ;>
[08:12] <njs12345> zAo^: is SSH installed&started by default?
[08:12] <Synek> RuffianSoldier: it's just _bad_
[08:12] <Synek> ;)
[08:12] <arzajac> njs12345: You have a recovery mode installed by Ubuntu
[08:12] <RuffianSoldier> why is it bad?
[08:12] <njs12345> hm. I guess I should have tried that ;)
[08:12] <jcole> njs12345: no openssh is not installed by default
[08:12] <njs12345> that doesn't start GDM?
[08:12] <bob2> jcole: it is indeed
[08:13] <spiv> RuffianSoldier: If everyone had that turned on, on a channel of this size it would clutter the channel considerably.
[08:13] <arzajac> njs12345: No.
[08:13] <zAo^> sorry njs12345 ; didnt know you have a fresh install :)
[08:13] <davmor2> does anyone use a virus scanner/remover if so what?and do you recommend it for ease of use
[08:13] <njs12345> oh
[08:13] <njs12345> well
[08:13] <yq> I still cannot install this ati driver, I've read wiki page, installed linux-restricted modules, linux-amd64-generic was here already. But when i try sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver it keeps saying that it couldn't find fglrx-driver. I cannot find it thru synaptic too :/
[08:13] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: it's annoying and pointless, and if all 300 people in here used it, there wouldn't be room for anything else
[08:13] <RuffianSoldier> aaah
[08:13] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: people can still /whois you if they want to know if you're around or not
[08:13] <njs12345> that was kind of the obvious answer I guess :)
[08:13] <zAo^> How can I open RAW files (Canon) in The Gimp? Install dcraw.
[08:13] <bob2> davmor2: erm, viruses on linux are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down on the list of things you have to worry about
[08:13] <RuffianSoldier> hows my away message though?
[08:13] <bob2> davmor2: down there with "being abducted by martians"
[08:14] <jcole> njs12345: at your ubuntu grub boot menu, hit 'e' to edit your kernel line and append the word "single" to it
[08:14] <spiv> RuffianSoldier: They can get that with /whois too.
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> but whatr do you think about my away message: I enjoy 100MB memory dumps in windows!
[08:15] <bob2> jcole: (it drops you into a root shell without asking for a password, on the theory that if someone is in front ofthe computer and rebooting it, they can just use a boot floppy or something anyway)
[08:15] <davmor2> bob2 i know that but after the boot sector virus I got I would just like to be safer than sorry
[08:15] <bob2> davmor2: by that I mean there are no viruses for linux that you will have to worry about
[08:16] <zAo^> How can I open RAW files (Canon) in The Gimp? InstallED dcraw :-) Doesnt work :-%
[08:16] <davmor2> bob2 ok ta
[08:16] <bob2> davmor2: there's clamav if you really want this...
[08:16] <bob2> but I don't even know if it has signatures for linux viruses
[08:16] <Amaranth> I thought clamav was for mail servers to filter out Windows viruses
[08:16] <bob2> it's a general virus thing, but that's a common use
[08:17] <davmor2> bob2 got it and no it only has windows signitures which is okay if you are using it to check your mail.
[08:17] <yq> nvidia-glx packets are there to install, but fglrx-driver doesn't really seem to be there. Could someone check it? please
[08:17] <bob2> davmor2: well, if you're reading your mail on linux, you don't even need to worry about that
[08:17] <Amaranth> There is no common system for linux that a virus writer can attack.
[08:17] <bob2> yq: please read the wiki
[08:18] <bob2> Amaranth: it wouldn't attack a "system", it'd be something like a buffer overflow in mozilla or such
[08:18] <vinic_> hi! I have an application running (firestarter) which keeps returning    "free(): invalid pointer 0x828ece0!"  I just can't figure out what to do... anyone can help or inform me please?
[08:18] <Amaranth> bob2: That wouldn't work on a lot of systems. :P
[08:18] <Synek> Amaranth: afair there was something messing up with wine
[08:18] <bob2> Amaranth: sure
[08:18] <bob2> vinic_: that's a bug in firestarter, probably
[08:18] <Amaranth> Pretty much every Gentoo system should be safe. :)
[08:19] <jcole> bob2: understood... we know 99% of the time that "physical access == rooted" anyway...
[08:19] <davmor2> bob2 Ok and do you know of a site or list anywhere of games that will run on linux out of the box like neverwinter nights
[08:19] <bob2> davmor2: under wine? appdb.codewavers.com
[08:19] <vinic_> bob2 thanks for answering, is this linked to Gnome?
[08:19] <Amaranth> Yeah, unless you encrypt everything on your filesystem physical access always means they can get your stuff.
[08:20] <davmor2> bob2 ta  :)
[08:20] <bob2> vinic_: I don't think it's an official gnome thing
[08:20] <vinic_> bob2 : well...
[08:20] <Amaranth> davmor2: You'll probably have to purchase Cedega to play Windows games.
[08:20] <vinic_> :)
[08:20] <jcole> Amaranth: in linux the problem is just fixed, no need for so-called av-software... in winduhs there is just too much code for m$ to rewrite, so the obvious hack is to install av software...
[08:20] <Amaranth> davmor2: It's cheap and easy.
[08:20] <bob2> vinic_: oh, does it link against gnome libs?
[08:21] <bob2> vinic_: I don't know, but it uses gtk at least
[08:21] <bob2> well, you can't get complacent, lots of software on linux is buggy in ways that can be exploited
[08:21] <vinic_> bob2 : I dont know! :o)
[08:22] <Amaranth> jcole: Most of the time a smart user can use Windows and never get a virus the same way that most Linux users don't.
[08:22] <Amaranth> By not running things from random places and such.
[08:22] <Amaranth> But then a remote exploit comes out and all of the sudden you need either a firewall or antivirus.
[08:22] <vinic_> Is there a way to reply to port scan attack, in a funny way?
[08:23] <jnk> In nautilus: shouldn'nt there be an entry in the "right-click menu" to create zip/tgz/... archives ?
[08:23] <bob2> that could be handy
[08:23] <bob2> you could propose it
[08:23] <vinic_> yep
[08:24] <jnk> well I thought there was one!
[08:24] <jnk> I'm sure I used it once... maybe in debian?
[08:24] <zAo^> ex-windows-user? :)
[08:24] <vinic_> there's a "Create an archive..."
[08:24] <jnk> zAo^: tsss :)
[08:24] <zAo^> :P
[08:25] <vinic_> good enough?
[08:25] <vinic_> :D
[08:25] <Amaranth> vinic_: I don't see it.
[08:25] <zAo^> :)
[08:25] <jnk> vinic_: you right-click on a file or folder and you have "Create an archive..." ? I don't
[08:25] <vinic_> folder only
[08:25] <zAo^> I have that option 2 :P
[08:25] <jnk> maybe some package is missing on my system
[08:25] <zAo^> jah
[08:25] <Amaranth> I don't have that for anything.
[08:26] <vinic_> unlucky dude
[08:26] <vinic_> :)
[08:26] <zAo^> installed file-roller?
[08:26] <Amaranth> You guys have extra software. :P
[08:26] <jnk> ah I'm running hoary...
[08:26] <jnk> file-roller is installed
[08:26] <Amaranth> file-roller is a part of ubuntu-desktop so yes
[08:26] <zAo^> k
[08:26] <jnk> Amaranth: are you in warty or hoary?
[08:26] <Amaranth> hoary
[08:27] <Amaranth> oh!
[08:27] <Amaranth> they removed bonobo extension support from nautilus
[08:27] <jnk> rmm
[08:27] <Amaranth> i bet file-roller had an extension to make that show up
[08:28] <jnk> I hope they plan something to bring back this feature
[08:29] <zAo^> btw: 0 ops? :S
[08:29] <scizzo> zAo^: don't need op
[08:29] <zAo^> :)
[08:29] <zAo^> my 1st time here, so :) I'm a former Debian Sarge user
[08:31] <bob2> there's lots of ops, just not opped at the moment
[08:34] <tvon|x31> they linger in the shadows untill someone crosses the line, then they attack in force
[08:36] <HWolf> ogra, are you around?
[08:37] <vinic_> Is there a way to reply to port scan attack, in a funny way? or not funny... :)
[08:37] <HWolf> vinic_ yeah, there are, but none legal.
[08:37] <vinic_> yeh but you know
[08:37] <charley> RythymBox keeps locking up when i try to play things. Is this normal? Its happened every time i've used rythym box so far. And if it is normal, then why is it still included in distributions?
[08:38] <vinic_> just to say hello
[08:38] <charley> hello
[08:38] <vinic_> :)
[08:38] <vinic_> charley just play some good music!
[08:38] <vinic_> ;)
[08:38] <HWolf> vinic_ port scanning is illegal, as are most of hose similar things. Don't do it. :-)
[08:39] <vinic_> yep
[08:39] <vinic_> I wont
[08:39] <Amaranth> wtf
[08:39] <vinic_> I dont have time
[08:39] <Amaranth> Why is port scanning illegal?
[08:39] <Amaranth> That makes no sense.
[08:39] <charley> port scanning is not illegal, so far as i know.
[08:39] <vinic_> but sometimes port scans are so violent
[08:39] <charley> It is only illegal to try to gain access to something which you should not have access to.
[08:39] <Amaranth> charley: Depends on what country your legal system is in. ;)
[08:39] <vinic_> I just want to say .... well, you know ... rude words
[08:39] <charley> Maybe.
[08:40] <HWolf> charley, basicly, if you don't have permission to do something, explicitly, it's illegal. :-)
[08:40] <HWolf> At least, in most countries. :-)
[08:40] <Amaranth> HWolf: Sadly it's supposed to be the other way around.
[08:40] <charley> Surely running a web server on port 80 implies permission?
[08:40] <HWolf> Amaranth, sure, but I don't design the law system
[08:40] <charley> And port scanning CAN be just another way of finding web servers. Or other servers.
[08:41] <vinic_> I dont want to scan ports, I just want to reply
[08:41] <scotth> in the US port scans arn't illegal... and I really don't know one where it is illegal
[08:41] <HWolf> charley, it depends, if you just acces the server, it's ok, but if you use it to get to his pc, it's illegal.
[08:41] <HWolf> scotth, a bunch of euro countries have laws that are quite strict.
[08:42] <charley> viniv, i would suggest learning about something like snort.
[08:42] <vinic_> what's this? snort
[08:42] <charley> From there you could probably write / find a script that would do 'something' in return to 'bad' servers.
[08:42] <vinic_> ok google
[08:42] <charley> yeah, do that.
[08:42] <HWolf> Is there anyone here who can help me troubleshoot alsa/esd?
[08:42] <vinic_> :)
[08:43] <charley> It is an 'intrusion detection system'
[08:43] <charley> It basically logs funny network activity to a text file. For example if someone was port scanning you.
[08:44] <zAo^> what do you guys say; 1000 euro 4x OZ Racing : http://www.ozracing.com/shared/car/racing/29_big.jpg  << good deal?
[08:44] <charley>  I've never seen one, but it couldnt be hard to write a script that 'responded' to portscans pickedd up by snort.
[08:44] <vinic_> yeh but I have a firewall for that
[08:44] <charley> Ok
[08:45] <scotth> I officially hate the fact that the keys to switch work spaces in gnome are ctrl-alt-arrow keys... grrr... all it takes is leaving your fingers on ctrl-alt and going to backspace and your done
[08:45] <HWolf> scotth, my control+alt+del does nothing in ubuntu... :-S
[08:45] <scotth> not delete... backspace
[08:46] <vinic_> cool, ctrl+alt+arrows... didnt know this one, thanks!
[08:46] <vinic_> :)
[08:46] <scotth> oh wait... I guess he just found that out
[08:46] <zanaga> i usually disable ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:46] <rodi> zanaga: why?
[08:46] <scotth> vinic_, be careful with it... Ive killed my xserver several times this week
[08:46] <vinic_> nice
[08:46] <vinic_> :/
[08:47] <scotth> zanaga, I would, but I'm running hoary and I don't know when my xserver is going to die on me
[08:47] <zanaga> rodi: after killing my session a few times while missing ctrl-alt-insert it seemed like a good idea..
[08:47] <zanaga> scotth: me too.. that's why i haven't disabled it in this laptop.. (i'll just try to keep myself from pressing it ;)
[08:48] <zanaga> oh, just to be clear.. i used to have xterm bound to ctrl-alt-insert
[08:49] <scotth> grrr... I wish there was a way for it to be disabled except for when I wanted to use it... like read my mind or something... will hoary+1 have mind reading support? ;-)
[08:50] <zanaga> heh
[08:50] <jono> anyone use a GPS with Linux and can recommend a decent HOWTO?
[08:53] <FSK405C> w00t...just about have ubuntu installed under qemu
[08:54] <mdke> does ubuntu have a facility for automatically doing security upgrades? maybe something a bit like the redhat network applet
[08:54] <kussic> hello everyone
[08:55] <mdke> hi
[08:55] <iz> ola
[08:56] <kussic> i have a question why since i've upgraded to Hoary everytime i login to X i get this error "No volume control elements and/or devices found."
[08:56] <iz> mdke you can do sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:56] <kussic> done that...
[08:56] <iz> kussic, gnome?
[08:56] <kussic> erm.. yes...
[08:56] <mdke> iz, not quite the same thing ;)
[08:57] <kussic> i am not sure if i'm using X.org or not...
[08:57] <mdke> kussic, look in /var/log and see if you have the Xorg log
[08:57] <iz> there's a tool in hoary for downloaden the latest pograms
[08:57] <mdke> kussic, but that is unrelated to your problem
[08:58] <kussic> XFree86.. no reference to X.org
[08:58] <mdke> kussic, gnome can't find your soundcard
[08:58] <kussic> my soundcard?
[08:58] <kussic> funny lspci says it's there
[08:58] <kussic> 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[08:58] <kussic> crappy AC97
[08:58] <mdke> i don't know much about sound so I can't really help you
[08:59] <mdke> kussic, if you want to update to xorg tho you need to update all the packages in hoary, including the one which is kept back
[08:59] <kussic> hmm.. how do I do that?
[08:59] <mdke> kussic, go into synaptic, and have a look at the upgradeable packages
[09:00] <kussic> where's that?
[09:01] <iz> in your terminal
[09:01] <NewComer> i wanna compile kazehakase, it needs to find the pkg-config of mozilla, seems that it isn't there, any ideas?
[09:01] <mdke> erm, hang on
[09:01] <iz> type sudo synaptic
[09:01] <goonie> I need some help with mounting a samba share.. I get the following error: smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[09:01] <goonie> smbmnt failed: 1
[09:01] <kussic> brb... wife is shouts! :/
[09:02] <mdke> kussic, under the status tab in synaptic, you should get upgradeable packages in the left hand list
[09:02] <iz> NewComer, do you try to apt-get install pkg-config ?
[09:02] <mdke> kussic, you need to upgrade x-window-system. You can also do this with the command "sudo apt-get upgrade x-window-system"
[09:03] <NewComer> iz, /usr/bin/pkg-config is there
[09:03] <iz> and whats the error with compiling?
[09:03] <thenuke> hmm.. what might be qmake
[09:04] <thenuke> not make
[09:04] <NewComer> flooding coming
[09:04] <NewComer> checking for mozilla-gtkmozembed... Package mozilla-gtkmozembed was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[09:04] <NewComer> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `mozilla-gtkmozembed.pc'
[09:04] <NewComer> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[09:04] <NewComer> No package 'mozilla-gtkmozembed' found
[09:05] <goonie> nevermind my earlier question... saw my error :$
[09:05] <iz> NewComer, maybe you must compile mozilla thirst
[09:06] <NewComer> iz, on archlinux i just specified the mozilla's pkg-config path and it did fine, without compiling mozilla
[09:06] <iz> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/garnome-list/2003-October/msg00094.html
[09:07] <wood1> Hello all, I am back
[09:07] <wood1> The Warty install finally worked
[09:08] <wood1> Well I am doing the first update thing, I am downloading 104 MB download of updates
[09:08] <warcraft3> How do i make the sign (APOSTROPHE):  '
[09:08] <wood1> What if I cancel this update now ?
[09:09] <wood1> Amaranth, are you there ?
[09:09] <wood1> bob2, are you there ?
[09:09] <Amaranth> wood1: If it's still downloading you can cancel it.
[09:09] <mdke> wood1, what stage is it at?
[09:09] <mdke> yeah
[09:09] <mdke> it will resume from the same place next time
[09:10] <Amaranth> If downloading is already done you'd better not try to cancel it.
[09:10] <wood1> Well it's at 8 % now
[09:10] <wood1> Well Amaranth, I just remove the network CD Drive and mounted it on the messed up Hoary Machine
[09:11] <wood1> I thought about installing Woody 3 but gave that idea up
[09:11] <wood1> Now all is well it seems
[09:11] <Amaranth> cool
[09:11] <warcraft3> Does any body know what key to press to make a    '
[09:11] <Amaranth> '?
[09:11] <thenuke> ' for me that comes from the left side of backspace
[09:12] <wood1> warcraft3, I don't understand your question ?
[09:12] <thenuke> wood1: he asked what key to press to type a '
[09:12] <chet> on my laptop, ' is 2 keys to the right of l
[09:12] <wood1> Try pressing the 2 keys from the alphabet l
[09:12] <wood1> L
[09:13] <wood1> on the right of the alphabet "l"
[09:13] <mdke> i don't get this question
[09:13] <wood1> 2 keys to the right of the letter L
[09:13] <mdke> warcraft3, you know how to do it, you did it when asking the question
[09:13] <warcraft3> I want to playaround with drpython, i need that sign to enter the tutorial: >>> 'spam eggs'
[09:13] <warcraft3> 'spam eggs'
[09:13] <warcraft3> >>> 'doesn\'t'
[09:13] <warcraft3> '
[09:14] <warcraft3> 
[09:14] <thenuke> mdke: dont you think that he copypasted it from somewhere :)
[09:14] <wood1> Oh I see
[09:14] <mdke> doh
[09:14] <wood1> Which keyboard are you using ?
[09:14] <wood1> Is it a laptop and a Desktop ?
[09:14] <brion_busy> I just installed clamav on warty; when I update its virus definitions database (freshclam) it complains that the clamav version is too old (it's 0.73; JPEG 'virus' detection was added in 0.80). Is there a clean way to get a more up to date clamav package, or should I just remove the package and install it from source?
[09:14] <thenuke> "well, I use logitechs"
[09:14] <thenuke> :D
[09:14] <warcraft3> key tronic, latin-1-no ?
[09:15] <kussic> anyone knows how to configure an AC'97 onboard laptop soundcard?
[09:15] <thenuke> warcraft3: did you try on to the left from backspace?
[09:15] <wood1> brion_busy, is the virus thing a real threat to Ubuntu ?
[09:15] <warcraft3> `
[09:15] <thenuke> try with alt and such
[09:15] <warcraft3> not the right one thenuke
[09:15] <thenuke> I get ' from it :I
[09:15] <warcraft3> \\\``
[09:16] <mdke> brion_busy, no one knows how to support virus programs
[09:16] <brion_busy> wood1: the primary usefulness would be for scanning files on a server before they go out to silly Windows clients. My Ubuntu box isn't actually a server, but I do test on it.
[09:16] <wood1> Try the Shift + one key per time
[09:16] <NewComer> iz, it's probably mozilla-dev not being installed
[09:16] <mdke> brion_busy, can you ask the software producer?
[09:16] <warcraft3> Wood1 i have tried
[09:16] <pepsi_> warty, hoary, and grumpy... like a bad date
[09:17] <mdke> except for hoary, she's fine
[09:17] <wood1> Well it's good that you mentioned about Viruses, I should also get a Anti-Virus software installed in Ubuntu ?
[09:17] <brion_busy> mdke: I can always install from source, of course. But there's a package system in the distribution, and it's always nice when things are updated.
[09:17] <mdke> brion_busy, in which repository did you find the package?
[09:17] <wood1> warcraft3, what about Alt + key
[09:17] <mdke> wood1, no don't worry people don't write viruses for linux yet
[09:17] <PotajiTo> wenas
[09:18] <warcraft3> U+0027 APOSTROPHE
[09:18] <PotajiTo> hi
[09:18] <warcraft3> have tried that one wood...
[09:18] <wood1> Well what is I copy a virus and pass it on to my Windows Network ?
[09:18] <zerokarmaleft> any mono developers in here?
[09:18] <PotajiTo> i've just reinstalled ubuntu warty... cai do a COMPLETE upgrade to hoary?
[09:18] <wood1> Well than I think that you have to install an version of the keyboard or something like that
[09:18] <mdke> PotajiTo, if you like
[09:19] <wood1> Sure you can install Hoary
[09:19] <mdke> wood1, try using linux on all your computers
[09:19] <mdke> :)
[09:19] <brion_busy> mdke: according to Synaptic, it's in Section: Utilities (universe). So it's not part of the Ubuntu desktop core, but is available in the universe extras.
[09:19] <zAo^> can some1 help me with VMWare ?
[09:19] <PotajiTo> but how?in my last install i chaged the repos to hoary and updated only xorg
[09:19] <wood1> Well then I have to teach all my collegues the basics of Linux
[09:19] <PotajiTo> i want to update all now
[09:19] <zAo^> the script doesnt see my C headers
[09:20] <wood1> OotjiTo, then just change the sources.list
[09:20] <warcraft3> wood, i have a norwegian keyboard, I need it to be norwegian layout...
[09:20] <mdke> brion_busy, they don't work on those packages, which come straight from debian, so some of em get out of date. the same happens with the realplayer installer. its probably best to get the software independently
[09:20] <brion_busy> mdke: thanks. looks like debian-testing currently has 0.80, so it's just out of date...
[09:21] <brion_busy> [it == universe] 
[09:21] <mdke> PotajiTo, change each instance of warty to hoary in your apt sources.list
[09:21] <zerokarmaleft> zAo^, which headers did you install?
[09:21] <PotajiTo> i'v already done that........
[09:21] <mdke> PotajiTo, ok fine then do a dist upgrade
[09:21] <PotajiTo> but i want to upgrade all, not package by package
[09:21] <PotajiTo> haha
[09:21] <PotajiTo> how?
[09:22] <mdke> PotajiTo, either use synaptic to mark all upgrades and select smart upgrade, or do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in a terminal
[09:22] <PotajiTo> thanks
[09:22] <mdke> yw
[09:22] <zAo^> zerokarmaleft installed kernel source from a kernel.org mirror and the standard headers
[09:22] <wood1> Well, did you change your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[09:23] <zAo^> zerokarmaleft, thnx anywayz :) have the right headers right now :-) Thanks for the help
[09:23] <wood1> By the way, regarding the virus thing, how do I : apt-get install anti-virus ???
[09:24] <Amaranth> wood1: The day we have to worry about Linux viruses is the day I switch to FreeBSD.
[09:24] <mdke> wood1, you don't need a virus checker
[09:24] <Amaranth> And I don't see that happening any time soon.
[09:25] <wood1> Amaranth, what is wrong with FreeBSD ?
[09:25] <Amaranth> Nothing.
[09:25] <wood1> I heard that it is God Father of Linux
[09:25] <zerokarmaleft> nothing
[09:25] <brion_busy> wood1: the only reason to use an antivirus program on Linux/Unix is to scan files that your Linux/Unix server is going to send to Windows-based clients.
[09:25] <Amaranth> I was just trying to be funny while pointing out that you don't have to worry about viruses.
[09:25] <mdke> brion_busy, even that is weird
[09:26] <Amaranth> And it isn't "God Father of Linux"
[09:26] <mdke> brion_busy, just get a virus checker on the windows clients
[09:26] <Amaranth> Linux was written because Linus wanted something better then Minix and wanted to explore 386 assembly.
[09:26] <brion_busy> mdke: security isn't a magic bullet (unfortunately!) having a little filtering at several different levels offer more overall protection.
[09:26] <mdke> i guess if you have a big server and lots of clients it is worth it
[09:26] <wood1> Well what kind of files do you normally send to Window's Clients ?
[09:26] <Synek> Hm, funny, Ubuntu didn't ask me for root pass during the install
[09:27] <mdke> Synek, check the Faq for root password
[09:27] <pepsi_> Synek, it doesnt... there is no password.. use sudo
[09:27] <wood1> .exe  , .pif  , jsp ???
[09:27] <Synek> So i can't ;)
[09:27] <wood1> Synek just type:    sudo passwd root
[09:27] <mdke> wood1, don't tell people that
[09:28] <mdke> Synek, you don't need the root account
[09:28] <wood1> then type in your own password first
[09:28] <PotajiTo> can i have hardware acelerated shadows with xorg using xcompmgr with an ati 8500. I have them with an gforce2mx
[09:28] <wood1> Well I do need the root Account
[09:28] <mdke> wood1, i doubt it
[09:28] <scotth> PotajiTo, I don't think so
[09:28] <FSK405C> ubuntu over qemu - this should prove interesting :D
[09:29] <wood1> My Gentoo collegue told me that it is a bad idea using:  sudo   ?
[09:29] <PotajiTo> ... scotth because ati propieatrie drivers?
[09:29] <PotajiTo> and xorg 6.8.1?
[09:29] <mdke> wood1, well the ubuntu developers have decided that it is a good idea
[09:29] <wood1> Well I like the sudo thing too myself
[09:30] <mdke> wood1, and they know what they're talking about :)
[09:30] <wood1> But I really don't want to type the password everytime I sudo
[09:30] <melazyboy> PotajiTo: No i don't believe you can, fglrx does not work with the new xorg yet and i dont believe dri works with anything above the 8250
[09:30] <mdke> wood1, you don't have to
[09:30] <wood1> By the way, I looove see the root@hostname !!!!!
[09:30] <PotajiTo> i've heard that is above 9000
[09:30] <mdke> wood1, it saves your password for a limited time. and if you want a shell with root permissions, you can type sudo -s
[09:30] <scotth> PotajiTo, I think its something like that, I heard someone was working on making the driver sane, but work was going slow
[09:30] <mdke> that will give you the root@ thing too
[09:30] <melazyboy> PotajiTo: I know i can't, im using the 9800. FGLRX doesn't work with xorg, and dri doesn't support my card
[09:31] <PotajiTo> i will try it, i can't loose anything
[09:31] <thenuke> Something definately bugs in Ubuntu, on two different machines, when I start for example gtoaster, I can barely read any texts in it
[09:31] <thenuke> they are sooo small
[09:31] <wood1> Well what happens if I forgot the 1st User Account's password and also did not create a root password ?
[09:31] <PotajiTo> althought ati said that they will elase their new driver on december
[09:31] <thenuke> I would need to use magnifying glass on the screen :I
[09:31] <mdke> wood1, then you are weird
[09:31] <melazyboy> wood1: Reinstall.
[09:31] <mdke> wood1, same thing applies where you forget the root password
[09:31] <scotth> no help to us poor losers on the powerpc arch
[09:31] <thenuke> someone told me to use gtk-theme-switch, but I cant do anything to help me with that
[09:32] <wood1> Then the root account becomes useful
[09:32] <mdke> until you forget that one too
[09:32] <weswh-> anyone know how nforce2 chipset support is? in terms of network and sound..?
[09:32] <wood1> Ha Ha Ha
[09:32] <mdke> then you forget where you live, so you can't find the computer to reinstall
[09:32] <mdke> and you forget your name, and they put you in a mental institution
[09:32] <wood1> Well my memory is good
[09:32] <mdke> ok np then
[09:33] <mdke> mine sucks
[09:33] <wood1> Ok us then
[09:33] <PotajiTo> i need a paper for that such of things mdke
[09:33] <PotajiTo> is better than beeing in a mental insittution
[09:33] <wood1> Just type the root and username password and encrypt it
[09:35] <wood1> Well going back to the Anti-Virus thing, our Server uses Clamscan anti-virus
[09:36] <wood1> So brion, what did you say that the command for installing the Clamscan Anti-Virus software was ?
[09:36] <mdke> wood1, you can search for packages like this "apt-cache search clam"
[09:37] <wood1> clamav
[09:39] <calamari> is there a way to get Windows .lnk shortcuts to be usable under linux?
[09:39] <wood1> thanks mdke
[09:39] <wood1> Usable for what ?
[09:39] <wood1> Pointing at the file or running it !!!
[09:40] <Symbolix> I am installing ubuntu w/ debian floppy images. It says that the kernerls on the cd are incompatible w/ the installer. What do I do? This is all that I have done : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7307
[09:40] <njs12345> perhaps a bit longer than 1/2hour, but meh :D
[09:40] <calamari> wood1: It's actually pointing to a directory.  I'm hoping for it to act like a symbolic link
[09:40] <njs12345> first impressions are: it rules
[09:40] <calamari> njs12345: yes, it does :)
[09:41] <wood1> calamari, why don't you just create a small little script to point to that directory ?
[09:41] <njs12345> it even autodetected my sound card.. the only thing I had to setup manually was the graphics card (9800XT) and wireless card (crapped up network setup)
[09:41] <calamari> hmm.. wonder if I can create a symbolic link on a windows fs :)
[09:42] <tritium> I can't recall where I saw ubuntu grub splash images.  Anybody know?
[09:42] <wood1> You mean the sites hosting the Splash images ?
[09:42] <wood1> tritium
[09:42] <tritium> wood1, I guess so, if there's not an official one.
[09:43] <Symbolix> I think I need to use diff floppy images, which will work with the ubuntu cd?
[09:43] <njs12345> calamari: the only way to find out is to try
[09:43] <njs12345> then again, they say curiosity killed the cat
[09:43] <njs12345> your choice :P
[09:43] <fargon> curiosity killed the chat? never!
[09:43] <tritium> I thought there were images on the Warty Release page under images at one time.
[09:43] <thenuke> argh. does anybody know how to change fontsize in GTK-applications?  I cant read anything because of the font size is way too small
[09:43] <mdke> thenuke, there is a wiki on it
[09:43] <njs12345> thenuke: it's something to do with .gtkrc files
[09:44] <njs12345> hmm
[09:44] <wood1> tritium, you can check out: http://www.customize.org/details/36284
[09:44] <njs12345> does anyone here have a dual monitor setup on a fairly recent (9500+) card without fglrx?
[09:44] <tritium> wood1, thanks
[09:44] <thenuke> I will check the wiki, I just tried searching the forums
[09:45] <njs12345> I want to ditch the crappy binary drivers, but I can't because I can't set up my dualies
[09:45] <Symbolix> I am installing ubuntu w/ debian floppy images. It says that the kernerls on the cd are incompatible w/ the installer. What do I do? This is all that I have done : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7307
[09:48] <Symbolix> Anybody?
[09:48] <njs12345> no idea, sorry
[09:48] <Symbolix> np
[09:49] <davmor2> why can you not boot from cd
[09:49] <Symbolix> I have a HP, and I can see the CD-ROM drive in the boot menu, but it wont actually boot from the cd
[09:49] <Symbolix> I can explore the CD from DOS, however
[09:50] <davmor2> symbolix have you got a boot disc for windows
[09:50] <mdke> Symbolix, did someone tell you that you can use debian boot floppies to install ubuntu?
[09:50] <mdke> maybe there is a guide on it
[09:51] <Symbolix> I downloaded floppy images to install, and it actually boots, but when the installation goes to read the cd it says that the kernels in the archive and the installer are incompatible, use a diff vers
[09:51] <wood1> Well Symbolix, sorry man no idea on it
[09:51] <wood1> But your option is very good
[09:51] <Symbolix> Yes, in the install guide on the cd it talks about booting from floppies
[09:51] <mdke> Symbolix, ah ok, and does it say which floppies to download?
[09:52] <wood1> I guess that you have tried all the support and documentation at Wiki ?
[09:52] <Symbolix> It gives a link (ill find it in a minute) to the debian ftp server, and it is the most recent version of the installer images
[09:52] <davmor2> symbolix do you have a bootable dos or windows floppy
[09:52] <Symbolix> I have posted on the ubunut forums, and looked through the HOWTOs, etc. I think that the images I downloaded are too recent
[09:53] <Symbolix> Windows floppy
[09:53] <mdke> Symbolix, you are following these instructions? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[09:54] <Symbolix> mdke: 1 sec
[09:54] <mdke> Symbolix, if you follow that guide exactly you should get there ok
[09:55] <mdke> method 2 seems quite cool as well
[09:56] <wood1> One thing worries me alot about Ubuntu Linux ?
[09:56] <Symbolix> I will try it, but i dont have a knoppix cd, so method 2 doesnt work
[09:56] <kbrooks> i want to be a member of the ubuntu maintainers team. :)
[09:56] <wood1> How can we use our Ubuntu CD as a rescue disc ?
[09:56] <mdke> kbrooks, wiki, bounties
[09:57] <njs12345> wood1: Ubuntu Cd isn't the best rescue disk
[09:57] <kbrooks> mdke, do i search for 'bounties'
[09:57] <mdke> kbrooks, something like that
[09:57] <njs12345> a lot of the space is taken up by the huge packages like openoffice
[09:57] <wood1> What happens if a Windows XP loader overwrites my Ubuntu GRUB loader ?
[09:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> lns bbc or similar is better
[09:57] <njs12345> if you can download 27mb and have a free CD, (R)(I)(P) is very good http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/
[09:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> lnx
[09:58] <njs12345> also, you can boot linux from the windows XP bootloader
[09:59] <mdke> kbrooks, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MaintainerCandidates
[10:00] <tritium> This is strange...I just added universe and multiverse, and I can't find octave-forge with apt-cache search...
[10:01] <mdke> have you updated?
[10:01] <njs12345> apt-get update
[10:01] <wood1> Why is my Ubuntu System getting slower and slower ?
[10:01] <tritium> I did that
[10:01] <mdke> tritium, it is there
[10:02] <wood1> Also single clicking the Window Title becomes double-clicking
[10:02] <tritium> mdke, I'm glad.  I do need it.  I wonder why I can't get it, though.
[10:02] <wood1> Is that due to some kind of virus
[10:02] <mdke> tritium, try "sudo apt-get update" again
[10:02] <tritium> mdke, I have done that a few times now.
[10:03] <mdke> tritium, i dunno what to suggest. it's definitely in the hoary universe package. perhaps someone else will confirm warty
[10:04] <tritium> I just installed today, so I haven't dist-upgraded yet to hoary.
[10:04] <tritium> I hope it's in warty.
[10:04] <mdke> can someone check>?
[10:04] <wood1> My machine is getter really slow, seems that I have to do a reboot
[10:05] <njs12345> wood1: try running "top" in a terminal
[10:05] <njs12345> see what's using up the most memory and/or processor
[10:05] <zerokarmaleft> does synaptic keep d/led packages that haven't been installed when you exit?
[10:05] <wood1> It's XFree86
[10:05] <wood1> at the top
[10:06] <wood1> 2nd is the Gnome-Terminal
[10:06] <wood1> How do I refresh all the things in "top" ?
[10:06] <mdke> zerokarmaleft, yes
[10:07] <njs12345> refresh them? it does it automatically, I think
[10:07] <wood1> By the way, how does "top" works in the first place ?
[10:07] <wood1> I typed it almost a million times but don't really get the idea of ti
[10:07] <wood1> it
[10:08] <wood1> How do I kill a process in top ?
[10:08] <zerokarmaleft> it's just a process monitor
[10:08] <njs12345> press "h" for help
[10:09] <wood1> That's the part I hate the most " pressing "h" for help
[10:09] <jono> what option do I tick in the kernel config tool to support a serial device?
[10:09] <wood1> And I also dislike the man  pages
[10:09] <wood1> Jono, for a modem ?
[10:10] <mdke> wood1, i know what you need for christmas.
[10:10] <jono> wood1, well its actually for a gps, but I think its a generic option anyway
[10:10] <Nick_Jacked> Anyone know how to disable individual sound events? If I go into the sound settings, I can change the sounds but not select 'none'.
[10:10] <wood1> No all I need for Christmas is a very very good book on Linux
[10:11] <wood1> I have not been using Windows XP since August
[10:12] <wood1> But Windows NT is not actually a bad thing
[10:12] <jono> wood1, any idea?
[10:12] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[10:12] <KING^^^> hello
[10:13] <KING^^^> how can i find a program that i have already installed it from synaptic and run it
[10:14] <wood1> Well Jono, I am very sorry to say that I have no idea, I am quite new to these things myself
[10:14] <Marble2> hm
[10:15] <Marble2> what's the best c compiler for ubuntu?
[10:15] <wood1> GCC of course
[10:15] <zerokarmaleft> that dang ol gcc is pretty good
[10:16] <wood1> Oh finally, the 104 MB of updating is complete
[10:17] <KING^^^> so ... nobody helps me ?
[10:17] <wood1> From my experience, switching to Hoary can be either a Blessing or a Curse
[10:17] <wood1> KING, what help do you need ?
[10:17] <KING^^^> how can i find a program that i have already installed it from synaptic and run it
[10:17] <zerokarmaleft> i'm trying to build the latest snapshot of nunit-gtk and i'm getting compile errors...mcs can't find certain Gtk# types but i've got it installed properly
[10:17] <wood1> What is the name of the Program that you installed from Synaptic ?
[10:17] <zerokarmaleft> any mono coders here use nunit?
[10:18] <jono> wood1, no probs :)
[10:18] <KING^^^> k3b
[10:18] <thenuke> whoa, k3b works now almost. I have two cd-rw in the machine and k3b says that they both are the readers
[10:18] <wood1> just type:  k3b on the Terminal
[10:18] <Nick_Jacked> Anyone know how to disable individual sound events? If I go into the sound settings, I can change the sounds but not select 'none'.
[10:18] <thenuke> I wonder how I scould change that :)
[10:18] <fargon> Someone should send a bunch of ubuntu cds to freelinuxcd.org
[10:19] <afed> zenwhen lmao
[10:19] <KING^^^>  WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid.
[10:19] <KING^^^> why it says this ?
[10:19] <zenwhen> hi afed
[10:19] <KING^^^> the program has started
[10:20] <wood1> That's because you are typing the KDE application on a GNOME Terminal
[10:20] <KING^^^> aha ...
[10:20] <KING^^^> ok
[10:20] <KING^^^> thx
[10:20] <tritium> I guess I'll just download the .deb from the pool off of an ftp server since apt can't find it (depite my adding universe/multiverse)
[10:20] <tritium> and use dpkg to install it (it being octave-forge)
[10:20] <wood1> you can key:    3kb &
[10:21] <Gmail> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4395
[10:21] <Gmail> is anyone else having that bug
[10:22] <mdke> Gmail, will check
[10:22] <tritium> That's so strange...
[10:23] <Gmail> this is in hoary of couse
[10:23] <Marble2> stupid question, but where do I download gcc?
[10:24] <Marble2> ive never used linux before
[10:24] <wood1> I am installing Warty again because Hoary messed my system to the point of no return
[10:25] <tritium> Actually, http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/dists/warty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz doesn't list octave-forge.  Neither does the package list for universe.
[10:25] <zerokarmaleft> Marble2, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[10:25] <tritium> I guess it's not in Warty.
[10:25] <mdke> tritium, :(
[10:25] <Gmail> wood1: what mess your system?
[10:26] <tritium> mdke, Well, I guess I'll just dist-upgrade :)
[10:26] <wood1> OpenOffice.org
[10:26] <goonie> can anyone tell me how to modify my bootloader?
[10:26] <zerokarmaleft> Marble2, use synaptic or apt-get if you want C++ / Java / Obj-C / etc. support
[10:26] <zerokarmaleft> goonie, edit grub.conf?
[10:27] <wood1> Does somebody knows the brazilian supermodel Isabela ?
[10:27] <Synek> wood1: ? ;-)
[10:27] <zerokarmaleft> goonie, in ubuntu it's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:28] <goonie> ahh... thx zerokarmaleft
[10:29] <earthen> can someone help with the locate commend
[10:29] <earthen> commmand
[10:30] <earthen> when i try a serch i get this error /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[10:30] <Synek> pon gives me "line 43: [ -l:unary operator expected" after pon isp_name  - it's somewhat odd as it used to work in sarge
[10:32] <huz> hello, i'm trying to get my wireless card working which implies using ndiswrapper; but when i modprobe the kernel i get :
[10:32] <huz> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[10:33] <wood1> I think that you have to edit your blacklist file
[10:33] <wood1> huz
[10:34] <huz> wood1: the module isn't in /etc/hotplug/blacklist apparently
[10:35] <goonie> if I want to disable timout in my bootloader, do I comment out the timeout section or set the value to 0? I am dual booting and I want to choose the OS without a timeout
[10:35] <wood1> Why don't you just add the module in the blacklist file
[10:35] <iz> earthen updatedb thirst
[10:36] <huz> wood1: what do you mean ?
[10:36] <iz> goonie, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and timeout 10 to 0
[10:37] <earthen> Iz do i just type that in root console
[10:37] <goonie> k thx iz :)
[10:37] <iz> goone use nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:37] <iz> earthen, it takes a some time
[10:38] <iz> depends on the hd's
[10:38] <iz> on=off
[10:38] <iz> sjipz my english is not so perfect i see
[10:39] <earthen> thanks IZ that worked
[10:39] <arcadefx> I am having network troubles whenever I boot Ubuntu.  To access the internet I have to go to my SMC router and release/renew the IP.  I have Ubuntu on my laptop and WinXP - WinXP works fine.
[10:40] <iz> earthen, every night there is a updatedb on your machine
[10:40] <michael> did somebody get mod-mono to work?
[10:40] <mdke> who knows how many people use ubuntu???
[10:40] <arcadefx> I get a warning message to disable PNP bios... I tried "nobiospnp" in the grub menu.lst file, but to no avail -- I still get the PNP warning.
[10:41] <zerokarmaleft> michael, i'm still working on getting parts of mono to work
[10:41] <zerokarmaleft> stuff off svn anyway
[10:42] <iz> michael, what do you want to run under it? aspx ?
[10:42] <amathis> why isn't firefox 10.0 in apt-get???
[10:42] <amathis> err
[10:42] <amathis> 1.0
[10:42] <arcadefx> I have a desktop PC running WinXP, as soon as I boot into Ubuntu on my laptop -- down goes the network. grr. ;)
[10:42] <njs12345> amathis: it just isn't - i believe it's in hoary
[10:42] <iz> arcadefx, dhcp?
[10:42] <arcadefx> yah
[10:42] <njs12345> speaking of things
[10:43] <amathis> njs12345: hoary?
[10:43] <iz> and there's no ip ?
[10:43] <njs12345> well basically
[10:43] <michael> zerokarmaleft: i got everything else to work. but i cannot tell you what i exactly did. it was very messy.
[10:43] <njs12345> you have "warty" which is the current stable release
[10:43] <njs12345> and "hoary" which is the development release
[10:43] <amathis> oh
[10:43] <amathis> ok
[10:43] <amathis> is it possible to get my hands on the 1.0 .deb ?
[10:43] <njs12345> now my turn to ask a Q
[10:43] <arcadefx> iz: I have an IP, I can access remote hosts via ip address only.
[10:43] <zerokarmaleft> michael, the only think i'm having trouble with is building nunit-gtk atm
[10:44] <arcadefx> iz: it's like DNS was messed up.
[10:44] <iz> aha weird
[10:44] <njs12345> is there any way to "block" a package from being installed? I want to switch to Hoary but stop xfree being upgraded to xorg (fglrx drivers don't work)
[10:44] <michael> zerokarmaleft: wha's this?
[10:44] <thenuke> what new hoary should bring?
[10:44] <thenuke> I mean, I upgraded one box to hoary and cannot tell the difference :D
[10:44] <arcadefx> iz: I think it's this PNP bios setting.... I put it on the line with the kernel options as "nobiospnp"
[10:44] <njs12345> you mean, what new things?
[10:45] <njs12345> lol
[10:45] <zerokarmaleft> michael a GUI interface for nunit-console, part of the mono base assemblies, for unit testing
[10:45] <njs12345> I want firefox 1 for the find bar.. I loved that
[10:45] <zero> can anyone shoot me a link to upgrading from warty to hoary? I checked the wiki but i found too many links that had similar things
[10:45] <njs12345> zero: you using synaptic?
[10:45] <thenuke> zero: well it's easy
[10:45] <arcadefx> iz: but it fails to see "nobiospnp" -- appears to not see it.
[10:45] <iz> arcadefx, and disable your pnp in your bios?
[10:45] <michael> zerokarmaleft: ok. this i don't need.
[10:45] <zero> brand new fresh install
[10:45] <arcadefx> iz: I will try it...heh.
[10:45] <Hikaru79> Hmm... I just upgraded to Hoary, and all of a sudden, "Extract Archive" has disappeared from right-click on .tar.gz, .zip, etc files. What do I need to do to bring it back? ^ ^;;
[10:45] <njs12345> ah
[10:46] <thenuke> zero: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list  and change every 'warty' to 'hoary'
[10:46] <njs12345> zero: go to Computer->System Configuration->Package Manager
[10:46] <zero> Tried that i get errors
[10:46] <thenuke> zero: then you do sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[10:46] <njs12345> oh
[10:46] <zerokarmaleft> michael, haven't tried mod-mono though...i run win/IIS in a vmware to serve asp.net stuff
[10:46] <zero> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7334
[10:46] <mdke> zero, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[10:46] <njs12345> ack
[10:46] <njs12345> asp.net?
[10:46] <njs12345> ack ack ack
[10:47] <Gmail> lol
[10:47] <Hikaru79> Anyone? =/
[10:47] <mdke> zero, you did "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[10:47] <michael> zerokarmaleft: me too. but i will get mono to work on apache just for testing.
[10:47] <Kano_AMD64> hi
[10:47] <iz> apsx with mono is cewl on a linux machine
[10:47] <Kano_AMD64> whats the source of libxinerama-dev
[10:47] <njs12345> no idea, sorry
[10:47] <thenuke> zero: but be aware of that, many of those who have upgraded to hoary has screwed up their system
[10:48] <njs12345> iz: true
[10:48] <zero> bleh... I wanted hoary mainly for the new packages..... it says that gaim 1.0.0 is the latest which is far from true
[10:48] <njs12345> I can't help feeling uneasy about mono though
[10:48] <thenuke> zero: so if you do not like the fact it is possible that you must do re-install someday, do not do it :) you wont gain that much from it
[10:48] <iz> Kano_AMD64, xlibs-static-dev ?
[10:48] <njs12345> zero: me too, I need to figure out how to block xorg though
[10:48] <zero> thenuke, .... put it to you this way, i format more then i change underwear..... which can be a bad thing really but its not
[10:50] <zerokarmaleft> iz, aspx with mono and a mysql backend :)
[10:51] <iz> zerokarmaleft, rokz
[10:51] <njs12345> lol zero, me too
[10:51] <njs12345> my linux distro record was on Gentoo, which was what I had up last
[10:51] <zerokarmaleft> njs12345, same here
[10:51] <njs12345> :)
[10:52] <Kano_AMD64> iz: is that when you do apt-get source libxinerama-dev ?
[10:52] <njs12345> apt totally owns portage though
[10:52] <zero> i was using gentoo for a bit
[10:52] <zero> slackware mostly
[10:52] <zero> ubuntu is just nice and light weight and smooooooth
[10:52] <zerokarmaleft> realized apt-get rages
[10:53] <zero> Is it really mandatory that i switch to UTF-8?
[10:53] <zero> it made my fonts incredibly ugly
[10:53] <theine> is it already possible to play dvd's with totem-gstreamer?
[10:53] <njs12345> zero: there's likely something wrong with your fonts then
[10:53] <Hrdwr_BoB> haha
[10:54] <zero> well im gonna roll back to warty
[10:54] <zerokarmaleft> theine, if you're dead set on using totem to watch dvds, install totem-xine
[10:55] <theine> zerokarmaleft: i know that i can do that, but i'm just curious
[10:56] <zerokarmaleft> theine, i tried for several days to get totem-gstreamer working
[10:57] <zerokarmaleft> theine, it's just not worth the effort, imho
[10:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> wtf
[10:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> my usb hard drive isn't working
[10:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> well, it is working
[10:57] <Hrdwr_BoB> for some reason it didn't create /dev/sda
[10:58] <Quest-Master> I think my Ubuntu just had a heart attack
[10:58] <Quest-Master> I had to boot it up through Recovery Mode
[10:59] <Quest-Master> It wouldn't start up the normal way.. a bunch of random pixels and gradients just kept on flashing on the screen till I rebooted
[10:59] <njs12345> hmm
[10:59] <Gmail> why don't we make /usr/bin/gksu point to /usr/bin/gksudo ???
[10:59] <Quest-Master> And, Allegro isn't working on it either ;-; Keeps on giving signal 11.
[10:59] <njs12345> this is a really noobish question
[10:59] <njs12345> but
[10:59] <njs12345> in dpkg-reconfigure (I think it's ncurses-based) how do I change the checkboxes? what are the keys for doing it?
[11:00] <zerokarmaleft> if it's ncurses-based,shouldn't it be spacebar?
[11:00] <njs12345> yup
[11:00] <njs12345> thanks
[11:01] <theine> Hrdwr_BoB: does dmesg say anything about that?
[11:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> theine: the device is detected
[11:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> the driver is loaded
[11:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> however it doesn't load the scsi hard disk module
[11:02] <theine> Hrdwr_BoB: and if you load it manually?
[11:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> still nothing
[11:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> Attached scsi disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[11:03] <arcadefx> brb
[11:03] <njs12345> ok
[11:03] <njs12345> tomorrow is D-day for hoary
[11:04] <treed> d-day?
[11:04] <treed> it's invading france?
[11:04] <njs12345> lol
[11:04] <njs12345> nope, just my PC
[11:04] <treed> ah
[11:04] <treed> is your pc in france?
[11:04] <njs12345> nope
[11:04] <njs12345> so I guess it has no relevance whatsoever to d-day
[11:04] <njs12345> ah crap, well.. it sounded cool
[11:04] <wfx> hi ogra ;-)
[11:05] <treed> heh
[11:05] <Gmail> he need another lang like java but does c and uses GTK+.... sort like how windoze does it
[11:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[11:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> works fine when I manually create the devices
[11:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> but mmm
[11:05] <njs12345> hmm..
[11:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> probably a hoary issue
[11:06] <njs12345> for hoary 533 packages need to be upgraded
[11:06] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:07] <MornHyland> hi
[11:07] <MornHyland> I tried booting the live CD on my 'convertable' (laptop/tablet)
[11:07] <MornHyland> and it crashes at the grub part
[11:07] <njs12345> hmm
[11:07] <njs12345> that's not right
[11:08] <njs12345> error message?
[11:08] <Gmail> lol
[11:08] <MornHyland> just says grub 1.5 and boom
[11:08] <Gmail> croupted?
[11:08] <Gmail> do a md5sum check now
[11:08] <MornHyland> ok, will do, one second
[11:09] <njs12345> time for some sleep methinks
[11:13] <Hikaru79> Hmm... I just upgraded to Hoary, and all of a sudden, "Extract Archive" has disappeared from right-click on .tar.gz, .zip, etc files. What do I need to do to bring it back? ^ ^;;
[11:15] <Nick_Jacked> Hikaru79, Hoary is development based. It will break and often. It could be that in a few days a new package will come out that will fix the issue.
[11:16] <Synek> What's the point in ugrade to hoary if're not a developer? aprta of curiosity, of course ;-)
[11:16] <Synek> s/aprta/apart/
[11:17] <Hikaru79> Nick_Jacked, yeah, I know, but I was hoping it was perhaps just some small thing I had to install in Synaptic or something =/
[11:18] <Nick_Jacked> Hikaru79, sorry it couldn't be that easy. If you need a stable system, stick with Warty, but if you want to be cutting edge expect these things to happen, often..... :-)
[11:19] <zerokarmaleft> Nick_Jacked, what kind of problems have you been running into with Hoary?
[11:19] <KING^^^> hello
[11:19] <KING^^^> i have a question
[11:20] <HcE> don't ask to ask ;)
[11:20] <KING^^^> root@ubuntu:/ # apt-get python2.2
[11:20] <KING^^^> E: Invalid operation python2.2
[11:20] <Hikaru79> Try apt-get install python2.2
[11:20] <KING^^^> why ?
[11:20] <Hikaru79> Or use synaptic
[11:20] <Stuttergart> Does Ubuntu ship a GUI app to manipulate SysV runlevel scripts?
[11:20] <Stuttergart> I can't seem to find one
[11:20] <Stuttergart> I'm running hoary
[11:20] <KING^^^> now it works thx
[11:21] <Nick_Jacked> zerokarmaleft, I have not used it actually. To be honest, I rarely use Ubuntu right now but plan to use it in a Non-Profit I hope to start helping bringing computers to the "Third World"
[11:21] <HcE> KING^^^: you need to give apt-get a parameter, it can do more than just install =)
[11:21] <tc> I'm trying to install Ubuntu and I get the following message when trying to apt-get linux "E: Opening /etc/apt/sources.list - ifstream::ifstream (2 No such file or directory)". Does anyone know how top create it?
[11:21] <zerokarmaleft> Nick_Jacked, excellent
[11:22] <KING^^^> what more HcE ?
[11:22] <mng> I have a question regarding ubuntu, laptops and battery usage..
[11:22] <Nick_Jacked> zerokarmaleft, I am an RHCE and I work at Intel right now, so it's all about RHES 3 and Suse ES 9..... :-(
[11:22] <mng> it seems that my laptop suddenly uses a lot more battery now that I installed ubuntu
[11:22] <HcE> KING^^^: apt-get --help
[11:23] <Hikaru79> KING^^^, try man apt-get
[11:23] <Hikaru79> That works too
[11:23] <Nick_Jacked> mng, I believe something called CPUFreqReg would help...
[11:23] <HcE> mng: seems like your speedstep thingy dosn't work
[11:23] <confrey> I need help about gprs connection
[11:24] <mng> according to the information thingie on the gnome panel its currently running at 600 MHz
[11:24] <mng> and under load it runs all the way upto 1.7 GHz
[11:24] <KING^^^> HcE: now after i have installed it , what i do now
[11:24] <king_arthur> KING^^^ apt-get needs lots of reading and practice, aptitude is just better, synaptic is all you need to ues
[11:24] <arcadefx> ok, I got rid of the PNP bios warning now.  its "pnpbios=off" and not "nobiospnp"  ...but still having network trouble, I still have to release/renew the IP in the SMC router.  WinXP desktop + Ubuntu laptop = no go at boot. winxp desktop + winxp laptop = go on network on boot. sigh
[11:25] <king_arthur> ,,,synaptic is all you nee to USE :-)
[11:25] <KING^^^> i have used synaptic
[11:25] <KING^^^> but ... now that i have installed the program ... what i do next ? how i run it ?
[11:25] <AndyR> lo ppl
[11:25] <Gmail> OMG look at this http://www.neowin.net/staff/creamhackered/msnwave11/messenger4.jpg
[11:26] <Gmail> m$ is using ubuntu logo
[11:26] <KING^^^> and how i can find it
[11:26] <fargon> How is that when I am upgrading, say XChat, I can still be using it?
[11:26] <HcE> KING^^^: now you have python installed
[11:26] <Gmail> sue them
[11:26] <Hikaru79> KING^^^ , just use 'python' on the command line
[11:26] <Hikaru79> Or, write a .py file and run 'pythong *filename*'
[11:26] <zerokarmaleft> what the deuce
[11:26] <Hikaru79> Er, *python
[11:26] <Hikaru79> Not *pythong
[11:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> Gmail: go and troll elsewhere
[11:26] <Hikaru79> Freudian slip, hehe
[11:26] <tc> I'm trying to install Ubuntu and I get the following message when trying to apt-get linux-686 "E: Opening /etc/apt/sources.list - ifstream::ifstream (2 No such file or directory)". Does anyone know how to create it?
[11:27] <Gmail> Hrdwr_BoB: i am not trolling but m$ is using the ubuntu circul idea
[11:28] <KING^^^> on the python site it says to install python2.2-dev
[11:28] <KING^^^> why ?
[11:28] <king_arthur> KING^^^: with due respect, I have the feeling you better leave python to a further stage...
[11:28] <Rocha> How do i install a .deb that i have downloaded?
[11:28] <zerokarmaleft> does ubuntu have a patent on circles?
[11:28] <KING^^^> ok king_arthur
[11:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> Gmail: you constantly bring up offtopic and ridiculous topics
[11:28] <tc> Rocha, dpkg -i file.deb
[11:28] <Gmail> Rocha: why wound you download it apt-get it
[11:28] <Gmail> Hrdwr_BoB: this is not
[11:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> Gmail: if you really have a problem, email the list or someone
[11:29] <Rocha> amsn 0.94 is not in a repository
[11:29] <Nick_Jacked> zerokarmaleft, 258 patents on circles  and MS is violating all of them!
[11:29] <king_arthur> KING^^^: you need to practice linux first
[11:29] <Hikaru79> zerokarmaleft, lmao :P
[11:29] <Rocha> Gmail, that's why i downloaded by hand
[11:29] <KING^^^> yes i know
[11:30] <king_arthur> Gmail: everybody here hates you but me 8)
[11:30] <wfx> by
[11:30] <Gmail> Rocha: its not in the reps? you got universe in you list
[11:30] <Gmail> king_arthur: LOL
[11:30] <Rocha> Gmail, i have universe and multiverse
[11:30] <Rocha> Gmail, the only version is 0.92
[11:30] <hwm> which c compiler can I get and from where?
[11:31] <king_arthur> Gmail: how's the swell in bondi beach today
[11:31] <AndyR> i still havent sussed out how to stop nautilus opening new window every time when using home link on computer
[11:31] <Muskrat> get gcc
[11:32] <Rocha> AndyR, click with the middle mouse button
[11:32] <Gmail> king_arthur: i told you i don't goto the beach
[11:32] <hwm> always had gcc installed by default before, where do I get and what is required to install?
[11:32] <king_arthur> Gmail: :-)
[11:32] <Rocha> And change double to single click
[11:32] <thenuke> how do I add "starter" for k3b on the desktop :o it needs to be run as a root
[11:32] <king_arthur> Gmail: don't listen to radio forecast?
[11:32] <thenuke> It does not work if I tell it to run commmand sudo k3b .. :I
[11:33] <AndyR> Rocha, i only have 2 button laptop
[11:33] <Gmail> king_arthur: no and offtopic
[11:33] <Rocha> Hmmm, you should switch to browser mode i my opinion
[11:33] <Kano_AMD64> can someone give me this output:
[11:33] <Kano_AMD64> apt-cache show libxkbfile-dev|grep source
[11:33] <Rocha> Or else, click with both buttons
[11:33] <Rocha> both buttons equals middle button
[11:34] <Kano_AMD64> apt-cache show libxinerama-dev|grep source
[11:34] <Kano_AMD64> and that
[11:34] <Rocha> AndyR, do you know how to change double to single click?
[11:34] <Rocha> One click is much easier
[11:34] <Gmail> look at this http://img62.exs.cx/img62/1053/k1zlogo.jpg sue m$ already
[11:34] <AndyR> thats in properties
[11:35] <Rocha> Why should I want to open a folder with two click if just one can do the job? :)
[11:35] <Rocha> So...change from double to single and use both buttons to open the folders...
[11:35] <Rocha> ...that way, it closes the previous window.
[11:35] <Synek> Gmailh, looks pretty similar
[11:35] <Rocha> AndyR, if you don't like that, then switch to browser mode
[11:36] <Nivlem> Well upgraded Hoary and forgot to reboot..now my sound works for system sounds in Gnome..but that is all...Rythmbox plays..no sound output...what commands are available to setup sound? This is HoaryPPC
[11:36] <Rocha> AndyR, it's in the same place
[11:36] <Nivlem> Already checked dmesg and don't see anything about sound
[11:36] <confrey> I need help about gprs connection
[11:36] <Rocha> Edit->Preferences->Behaviour->Always open in browser windows.
[11:36] <thenuke> does someone know how to add icon on the desktop which starts programs as a root..
[11:37] <Nick_Jacked> Nivlem, Have you checked the sound mixer settings? PCM might be muted or all the way down.
[11:37] <AndyR> Rocha, done than now much better thank you
[11:37] <Nivlem> Nick_Jacked: Yep that was the first thing I checked..and sure enough it was down..but that has been corrected...
[11:37] <Rocha> AndyR, np :)
[11:38] <Rocha> AndyR, you may want to switch from "Information" to "Tree" in the browser mode
[11:38] <hwm> gcc home page has source and a few binaries but not for Linux - repeat where do I get gcc for ubuntu?
[11:38] <Nivlem> thenuke: Yes...just drag the icon that looks like a terminal icon...should say root terminal or something like that...drag to desktop and let go
[11:38] <Rocha> Browse a folder and on the left you have a combo box labeled "Information"
[11:38] <Rocha> Click there and change to "Tree"
[11:38] <Gmail> bob2: here? daniels here? mako here?
[11:38] <thenuke> Nivlem: I dont want a rootshell or something :)
[11:38] <thenuke> Nivlem: I need to run k3b as a root
[11:39] <thenuke> And I want to do it without a shell
[11:39] <Rocha> AndyR, I don't know if you prefer "Info" but I prefer "Tree"
[11:39] <Nivlem> hwm: apt-get install gcc..or open synaptic make sure your repositories are setup and search gcc then mark for download
[11:39] <Nick_Jacked> Nivlem, This is odd. I had a problem where Real Player didn't work, but Rythmbox did and I solved that as it seemed the Alsa - OSS mixer modules were not loading. Not too sure in your case.
[11:40] <thenuke> Nivlem: oh well, root terminal had a hint in it. gksudo k3b starts that as a root. humm.
[11:41] <Nivlem> Nick_Jacked: I upgraded to Hoary and no problems...a few days later I checked and there were additional packages to be updated..at this point after reboot is when I lost audio through Xmms and Rythmbox...xmms complained that my soundcard was not configured..even though I checked and ALSA was being selected
[11:41] <Quest-Master> .. why not to use Hoary, lol
[11:42] <Nick_Jacked> Nivlem, you just answered your own question....
[11:43] <Nivlem> Actually my question was specific to commands regarding configuration of sound card on a Macintosh...not any opinions on why you prefer not to use Hoary
[11:45] <Nick_Jacked> Nivlem, Hoary is bug filled, developmental software for testing only. You will constanly have issues if you choose to use it. Your computer is fine, but hoary will always be broken until they do the final release.
[11:46] <Hikaru79> Under what circumstances should I get the kernel-686? The guide says 'newer Intel/AthlonXP' but what constitutes 'newer'?
[11:46] <Nivlem> Nick_Jacked: I know this and accept this...however that has nothing to do with asking what command line utilties are available to use to check my sound card setup...
[11:47] <Nick_Jacked> Nivlem, That I am not too sure of on Ubuntu. I'd research it but I don't have an Ubuntu system to play with here at work. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
[11:48] <Hikaru79> Nick_Jacked, he's gone :P
[11:48] <fargon> Hikaru79, try uname -a and if it says you have a 686 processor, you can get the one you were talking about
[11:48] <Nick_Jacked> fine then....
[11:48] <hays> So is this a good transition distro?
[11:49] <Nick_Jacked> hay from what to what
[11:49] <Nick_Jacked> hays, from what to what?
[11:49] <Hikaru79> fargon, thanks :) Turns out I *do* have an 'i686'
[11:49] <Hikaru79> Thanks ^ ^
[11:49] <hays> Nick_Jacked, windows to linux
[11:50] <fargon> yw, Hikaru79
[11:50] <gen> haha
[11:50] <Nick_Jacked> hays, it's a good distro for both beginners and old timers.
[11:50] <Nick_Jacked> A friendly face on a Debian base!!!!
[11:51] <hays> hmm
[11:51] <zerokarmaleft> i tried getting a friend to transition to ubuntu and he was put off immediately b/c of gnome's default panel setup
[11:51] <Nick_Jacked> zerokarmaleft, so that is when you ask what he wants and show him how easy it is to change.
[11:51] <Nick_Jacked> try that with windows
[11:52] <zerokarmaleft> Nick_Jacked, ya i did
[11:52] <Nick_Jacked> zerokarmaleft, no luck, eh?
[11:52] <zerokarmaleft> Nick_Jacked, he's just a lazyass hippy so i don't hold it against him
[11:52] <hays> I also may try this distro to replace a slack computer
[11:52] <hays> It looks kinda nice
[11:53] <Nick_Jacked> zerokarmaleft, If he truely is a hippy, he should be all over Linux, or maybe he is just too lazy (420?) to care.
[11:54] <zerokarmaleft> Nick_Jacked, true...i guess he's not a Stallman-hippy
[11:54] <mjr> just tell him that Gates is the Man
[11:54] <zerokarmaleft> whatever that means
[11:54] <mjr> The Man, man? Man...
[11:56] <mjr> My work here is done.
[11:56] <AndyR> ubuntu has replaced 3 mandrake installs here
[11:56] <hays> heh
[11:57] <AndyR> anyone know if there is an smp kernel available?
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> AndyR: yes there is
[11:57] <AndyR> as i have 3 smp boxes at home here too
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> linux-image-2.6.9-1-686 on hoary
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> linux-image-2.6.9-1-686-sm6 on hoary
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> er smp
[11:58] <AndyR> :)
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> apt-cache search 686-smp