| mjg59 | fabbione: Around? | 12:19 |
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| mjg59 | fabbione: I've sent mail about 2.6.9 patches | 12:56 |
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| lexhider | can anyone confirm a bug I'm experiencing. Compose a mail in evolution with a word not in dictionary [e.g. Ubuntu] and try to add it to dictionary. Right-click add-to-dict causes an evolution crash. Right-click check-spelling and then adding to dictionary causes all of gnome to lock up and so I have to drop back to console and kill evolution for things to work OK again. | 01:46 |
| trulux | hey lamont | 01:47 |
| lexhider | i'll post to list, bye | 02:00 |
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| usual | the wiki mentions inotify being added to hoary, has it been added? if so I can't seem to find it. | 03:36 |
| usual | nm i found it | 03:37 |
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| justdave | Thunderbird 1.0 is out. When do we get it in Hoary? ;) | 07:08 |
| calc | 1.0 is out already? | 07:10 |
| justdave | yep | 07:11 |
| calc | i just installed 1.0rc gotta upgrade ;) | 07:11 |
| justdave | they decided they didn't feel like staying up late tonight, and it was ready to go, so they did midnight eastern instead of 1am pacific | 07:11 |
| justdave | they'd been advertising it would be out 1am pacific on the 7th | 07:12 |
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| Mithrandir | thom? | 08:56 |
| thom | Mithrandir: ? | 08:57 |
| Mithrandir | thom: the dhcp server advertises a non-existent DNS server | 08:57 |
| thom | yes | 08:57 |
| thom | nada i can do | 08:57 |
| Mithrandir | set up a DNS server on the ip address? | 08:57 |
| thom | it's given me correct info | 08:57 |
| Mithrandir | it just gave Karianne wrong info | 08:57 |
| thom | 192.168.0.2 ? | 08:57 |
| Mithrandir | yeah | 08:57 |
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| thom | hrm, i can possibly hack round it, not sure | 08:58 |
| Mithrandir | would be nice; it's not the first time it's happened and she's not the only victim. | 08:58 |
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| thom | easier than i thought, fixed | 09:01 |
| Mithrandir | thanks a lot | 09:02 |
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| thom | elmo/mdz/jdub: shall i commit the seed additions? | 09:09 |
| jdub | thom: hrm, wait for mailing udevel, i think | 09:13 |
| thom | kk | 09:13 |
| seb128 | grrr, is that only me or people star using the devel list as an user one ? | 09:15 |
| jdub | yeah | 09:15 |
| fabbione | the bof room is open | 09:16 |
| thom | fabbione: yeah, but we're supposed to be using the main room for hacking | 09:17 |
| fabbione | thom: shushhhhh | 09:18 |
| fabbione | ;) | 09:18 |
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| Mithrandir | thom: aren't we supposed to use the hack room for hacking? | 09:33 |
| thom | Mithrandir: there are gonna be bofs in it | 09:33 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: he is english.. he has a distorted view of the world :P | 09:33 |
| thom | i can get jane to come and beat you up | 09:33 |
| Mithrandir | can you make her bring tea while doing it? | 09:34 |
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| fabbione | ahahah | 09:34 |
| Mithrandir | are there any evolution hackers about, whom I may beat up? | 09:34 |
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| mdz | lifeless, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/bazaar/1.0.1-1/ ? | 09:35 |
| lifeless | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3107 | 09:36 |
| carlos | enrico: http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2 | 09:37 |
| enrico | carlos: cool! | 09:37 |
| haggai | elmo: ehhm, I had main=hoary and universe=warty in my sources.list.. \o/ | 09:38 |
| Keybuk | elmo: I don't guarantee that mom won't get the category of patch wrong, I just guarantee that when it gets it wrong it will get it /amusingly/ wrong | 09:38 |
| lamont_r | haggai: interesting... how'd it do? | 09:38 |
| haggai | lamont_r: surprisingly well, I only noticed because the available apt-proxy was the testing, not unstable version | 09:39 |
| haggai | lamont_r: although meld was broken and I guess that was the reason why | 09:39 |
| lamont_r | ah | 09:39 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: what's the chance of bugs I report in evo actually being fixed? | 09:41 |
| fabbione | mjg59: you around? | 09:42 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir, depending of the bug ... | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: mostly UI issues. | 09:43 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir, so pretty low | 09:43 |
| seb128 | there is a lot of crasher and big issues to deal with first | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | stuff like enter not doing the right thing when editing an appointment, superflous buttons, the fact that if you select a read-only calendar, suddenly anything you type in is interpreted as menu shortcuts. | 09:44 |
| Mithrandir | should be simple enough to fix if you know the structure and _really_ annoying when you use it | 09:44 |
| seb128 | right | 09:44 |
| seb128 | opening a bug doesn't hurt | 09:45 |
| seb128 | but not sure on quick it'll be fixed | 09:45 |
| lamont_r | Keybuk: what became of the +b1 binNMU thing? | 09:45 |
| elmo | fabbione: done | 09:45 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: I guess using upstream's bugzilla makes sense, then. | 09:45 |
| Keybuk | we're having a BOF about that I think here? | 09:45 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir, yes | 09:45 |
| lamont_r | Keybuk: ah, ok | 09:45 |
| fabbione | elmo: what's the name of the porting box? | 09:46 |
| elmo | oh, meh, it'd help to bind mount home wouldn't it | 09:46 |
| elmo | fabbione: halley.u.c but one sec | 09:46 |
| fabbione | elmo: please remember ccache as well :-) | 09:46 |
| fabbione | sure.. | 09:46 |
| elmo | yeah, ccache is there | 09:47 |
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| elmo | and home and proc are there too | 09:47 |
| fabbione | 1337! | 09:47 |
| fabbione | elmo: echo hoary > /etc/debian_chroot | 09:48 |
| elmo | I don't think that works because of the sarge base system | 09:48 |
| elmo | oh, no, it does, I'm a muppet | 09:49 |
| elmo | done | 09:49 |
| fabbione | thanks | 09:50 |
| lamont_r | seb128: ?? | 09:53 |
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| daniels | elmo: could you please install davis:~daniels/binutils/*.deb in the hoary chroot? | 09:55 |
| daniels | fabbione: new kernel diff in concordia:~daniels/kernel/l-i/install-all-asm-headers.diff | 09:56 |
| fabbione | daniels: ok | 09:56 |
| daniels | fabbione: (debdiff shows just the asm-* stuff changing) | 09:56 |
| daniels | fabbione: for i in linux-image-2.6.9-1-amd64-{generic,k8{,-smp},xeon} linux-headers-2.6.9-1{,-amd64-{generic,k8{,-smp},xeon}}; do echo -- $i; echo; echo; echo; debdiff ${i}_2.6.9-{1,2}_amd64.deb; done | less | 09:56 |
| daniels | fabbione: run that in concordia:~daniels/kernel/l-i if you like | 09:56 |
| thom | NetworkMagic BOF in the BOF room now | 09:58 |
| thom | heel! | 09:58 |
| daniels | elmo: (you might want to diff the testsuite, etc; the build tree is lying around in there) | 09:58 |
| fabbione | daniels: ok i will in a few.. i am giving ia64 port love to the kernel right now | 09:59 |
| daniels | fabbione: cheers | 09:59 |
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| lifeless | ~. | 10:06 |
| lifeless | garh | 10:07 |
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| fabbione | daniels: the patch seems to work :-) | 10:12 |
| fabbione | daniels: nice job.. let me apply it | 10:12 |
| daniels | fabbione: thanks | 10:12 |
| daniels | the binutils testsuite is running on concordia atm | 10:13 |
| seb128 | daniels, so, where are the stuff I need to get a decent resolution on my laptop ? :) | 10:14 |
| fabbione | Changes by Daniel Stone: | 10:16 |
| fabbione | 10:16 | |
| fabbione | * Modify debian/header-install and debian/post-install in order to ship all | 10:16 |
| fabbione | the asm headers in the linux-header package and produce proper symlinks | 10:16 |
| fabbione | from the specific flavour. This circumnvent a problem on powerpc (mainly) | 10:16 |
| fabbione | that uses a bunch of m68k asm includes. | 10:16 |
| fabbione | This fix will allow also the build of the new linux-restricted modules. | 10:16 |
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| fabbione | elmo_away: is there any problem with halley? | 10:22 |
| pitti | lamont: you uploaded hpsockd 0.13.0.14 | 10:23 |
| pitti | lamont: however, I already fixed hpsockd in 0.12ubuntu0.1 | 10:24 |
| daniels | seb128: try this - http://perso.wanadoo.fr/apoirier/ | 10:24 |
| pitti | lamont: does this version fix anything else than the recent DoS? | 10:24 |
| daniels | fabbione: 'This fix will also allow the new linux-restricted-modules to build on powerpc.' | 10:24 |
| pitti | lamont: if not, it needs to be removed from the queue | 10:25 |
| seb128 | daniels, ok, thank | 10:25 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:25 |
| daniels | no worries :) | 10:25 |
| pitti | lamont_r: ^ | 10:25 |
| fabbione | elmo_away: can you ssh to halley??? | 10:26 |
| fabbione | i can ping it from within the dc | 10:26 |
| fabbione | but ssh hangs | 10:26 |
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| fabbione | mdz: what about that USB_BLK_UB thingy? | 10:35 |
| fabbione | are we sure 100% that we have to kill it? | 10:35 |
| fabbione | the 2 errors i found around where not related to usb but to the scsi layer on top of usb | 10:35 |
| Kamion | 09:28 < svenl> Damn, unmounting the usb stick freezes this 2.6.9 kernel, i suppose this is considered an RC bug ... | 10:36 |
| Kamion | (if that's the same thing ...) | 10:36 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: nope.. that's another bug | 10:36 |
| fabbione | Kamion: they are both tracked on kernel bugzilla | 10:36 |
| fabbione | but i am not going to spend time to explain to sven how to search | 10:37 |
| Kamion | of course :-) | 10:37 |
| fabbione | seb128: can you push mdz on irc? | 10:40 |
| fabbione | mdz: read above | 10:42 |
| mdz | fabbione: unset CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB | 10:42 |
| fabbione | ok | 10:42 |
| mdz | confirmed to fix my problems | 10:42 |
| azeem | jdub: I just wanted to point you to the multisync packages for hoary yesterday evening, but then had to go and decided to mail ubuntu-users | 10:45 |
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| pitti | elmo: can you please remove hpsockd 0.13.0.14 from the warty-security queue? | 10:46 |
| pitti | elmo: don't beat up me, I didn't upload it :-/ | 10:46 |
| fabbione | elmo: halley is dead | 10:46 |
| fabbione | elmo: i can't ssh to it anymore | 10:46 |
| jdub | azeem: saw your mail :-) | 10:46 |
| jdub | azeem: good stuff :) | 10:46 |
| elmo | pitti: ?? who did? | 10:48 |
| elmo | fabbione: works for me? | 10:48 |
| fabbione | elmo: i can ping, but not ssh | 10:49 |
| fabbione | now i can again | 10:50 |
| fabbione | weird | 10:50 |
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| seb128 | what about them ? | 11:20 |
| Treenaks | oh nothing special | 11:22 |
| seb128 | so why throwing them on me ? :) | 11:23 |
| Treenaks | seb128: I am :) | 11:25 |
| seb128 | "why" is the question ? :p | 11:26 |
| Treenaks | seb128: oh, just for fun | 11:26 |
| seb128 | ok ;) | 11:29 |
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| Mithrandir | something is dropping loads of packets on the floor. | 11:32 |
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| bob2 | it was kinnison | 11:45 |
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| Mithrandir | nneeeeewwww freeeesshh craaaccckkk | 12:01 |
| thom | http://www.elmundo.es/navegante/2004/12/07/softlibre/1102413723.html | 12:04 |
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| Treenaks | Mithrandir: even more? | 12:08 |
| Mithrandir | Treenaks: yeah, I'm working on ia32-libs. | 12:08 |
| Mithrandir | and have a new, big, fresh supply of crack | 12:08 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: I _only_ have ia32 libs here 8) | 12:09 |
| Treenaks | (but then, I don't have an amd64 laptop) | 12:09 |
| Mithrandir | neither do I, but I have access to real machines. | 12:09 |
| elmo | can I add bazaar-doc to supported under the 'Obvious' rule ? | 12:24 |
| seb128 | lamont, do you know why gnome-panel doesn't build ? it doesn't find libgnome-menu-dev which is in main ... | 12:26 |
| elmo | seb128: I only recently promoted | 12:26 |
| elmo | +it | 12:26 |
| seb128 | "recently" like "10 min ago" ? | 12:26 |
| elmo | uh, dunno, last hour or so | 12:27 |
| elmo | it's in Building state now anyways | 12:27 |
| seb128 | ok, thanks | 12:27 |
| lamont_r | elmo: bazaar-doc sounds right and good. | 12:27 |
| daniels | elmo: could you please install binutils on davis and concordia and also try the test suite? ~daniels/binutils/ | 12:28 |
| lamont_r | %bazaar fits into that category, no? | 12:28 |
| elmo | huh? | 12:29 |
| elmo | how could binutils not be installed? | 12:29 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: You called? | 12:29 |
| elmo | do you mean upgrade? | 12:29 |
| daniels | elmo: yeah | 12:29 |
| fabbione | mjg59: yup.. i got the patches, thanks. i will apply them in -3. | 12:29 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Rock. They look ok? | 12:30 |
| fabbione | mjg59: i need to get -2 out today with ia64 love | 12:30 |
| fabbione | mjg59: i reviewed them with mdz and they look ok | 12:30 |
| elmo | Kamion: do we have seed mod notification yet? | 12:31 |
| fabbione | mjg59: mind to enlight me about the initrd changes that needs to be done? | 12:31 |
| fabbione | mjg59: are we safe to upload the kernel without these changes? | 12:31 |
| fabbione | mjg59: or the 2 needs to be alligned? | 12:31 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Uploading without the initrd-tools changes is fine, but swsusp won't work | 12:32 |
| mjg59 | I've filed a bug against initrd-tools in bugzilla with a patch to it | 12:32 |
| lamont_r | pitti: it's on its way | 12:32 |
| mjg59 | Bug #4444 | 12:33 |
| fabbione | mjg59: thanks | 12:34 |
| fabbione | mjg59: of course the patch doesn't need to ensure that the module is loaded, right? | 12:36 |
| fabbione | and it doesn't break with older kernels... | 12:36 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Yeah - swsusp can't be modular | 12:36 |
| mjg59 | Oh, hrm. It probably wants to check that the file exists before echoing into it. | 12:37 |
| daniels | fabbione: will -2 have asm-* love? | 12:37 |
| fabbione | daniels: yes. already applied | 12:37 |
| fabbione | daniels: do you have time to upload xorg ubuntu5 with the sparc support back? | 12:38 |
| fabbione | mjg59: mind to review the patch so i can upload * today? | 12:38 |
| Kamion | elmo: hm, no, not yet | 12:39 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Sorry, which patch? | 12:39 |
| Kamion | elmo: do you need it? | 12:39 |
| fabbione | mjg59: the one to initrd? | 12:39 |
| fabbione | <mjg59> Oh, hrm. It probably wants to check that the file exists before | 12:39 |
| fabbione | echoing into it. | 12:39 |
| mjg59 | Oh, right. Yeah, will do. | 12:39 |
| daniels | fabbione: brilliant | 12:39 |
| daniels | fabbione: yeah, sure | 12:39 |
| mjg59 | It just wants a if [ -f ] around the echo | 12:39 |
| elmo | kamion: no not particularly, just curious | 12:39 |
| mjg59 | Pavel wants a couple of minor changes to the swsusp code, but nothing significant | 12:40 |
| fabbione | mjg59: i am dealing to require a higher version of initrd tools to ensure that swsup works as it should.. but i need to be 100% sure that there are no regressions with older kernels. 2.6.9 is not the default yet. | 12:40 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Ok, no problem | 12:40 |
| fabbione | mjg59: i still have to apply the patches, so if you want to change stuff around go ahead. | 12:40 |
| thom | fabbione: http://planetarytramp.net/linux-2.6.3-printopen.patch KTHXBYE ;-) | 12:41 |
| Kamion | Resolving planetarytramp.net... failed: Host not found. | 12:42 |
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| thom | hrmph, that should work | 12:42 |
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| thom | cack, i can't from here | 12:43 |
| Mithrandir | thom: you tramp! :P | 12:43 |
| thom | hohum | 12:43 |
| mjg59 | thom: Dude, what does that actually do? | 12:44 |
| mjg59 | Oh, and is the laptop BOF today? | 12:44 |
| thom | mjg59: exactly what it says on the tin | 12:45 |
| thom | yes | 12:45 |
| fabbione | Kamion: WORKSFORME | 12:45 |
| fabbione | thom: weird patch... but we can work on it i guess | 12:45 |
| mjg59 | thom: Ok - do you have time for a quick chat about it? | 12:45 |
| Kamion | planetarytramp.net: warning: glueless NS dns0.positive-internet.com ([80.87.128.65] dns0.positive-internet.com, in glue from [192.43.172.30] i.gtld-servers.net, server for net) | 12:45 |
| Kamion | planetarytramp.net: warning: glueless NS dns1.positive-internet.com ([80.87.128.65] dns0.positive-internet.com, in glue from [192.43.172.30] i.gtld-servers.net, server for net) | 12:45 |
| Kamion | that might not help, although it could just be chiark-named-conf being ultra-picky | 12:45 |
| thom | prolly chiark | 12:46 |
| thom | mjg59: sure | 12:47 |
| Kamion | well, gluelessness can be a real problem | 12:47 |
| thom | Kamion: it can be | 12:47 |
| Kamion | depends whether it's circular or not I guess :) | 12:47 |
| fabbione | mjg59 | 12:48 |
| fabbione | mjg59: i asked thom if it is possible to apply that patch, but make it "active" only on a boot parameter | 12:48 |
| fabbione | i am pretty sure that will be handy while you guys monitor the hd activity | 12:49 |
| fabbione | and it would allow people to test and track without having to recompile a kernel | 12:49 |
| thom | it's for readahead, mostly. there are already kernel interfaces to find out what tries to write to disk | 12:50 |
| mjg59 | Ah, right | 12:50 |
| mjg59 | thom: Probably need to discuss what sort of PM is going to be the default in Hoary | 12:50 |
| mjg59 | thom: I think StD can probably be on by default. StR ought to be supported but disabled. APM ought to be loaded if acpi isn't running. | 12:51 |
| thom | apm is loaded correctly as of yesterdya | 12:51 |
| pitti | elmo: scponly is fixed and published now | 12:51 |
| mjg59 | thom: Rocking | 12:52 |
| mjg59 | Also, force more people to test these things | 12:52 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Oh, the kernel possibly needs to pre-depend on the newer initrd-tools, thinking about it... | 12:52 |
| elmo | pitti: sweet, thanks | 12:52 |
| mjg59 | Or is depend sufficient? | 12:53 |
| mjg59 | thom: Issues with suspend are primarily how it gets exposed to the UI | 12:53 |
| mjg59 | Not everyone who has working StR has a sleep button, so there needs to be some sort of UI element to get them there | 12:53 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: "lid" :) | 12:54 |
| thom | so we need some way of exposing that in gnome similar to windows' shutdown menu | 12:54 |
| thom | we also need some way of letting peoople choose whether they want to suspend on lid closure etc | 12:55 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Yeah, but then people bitch that they don't want the machine to sleep on lid closure | 12:55 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: they are wrong. (: | 12:55 |
| mjg59 | thom: Indeed. Knocking up something g-s-tish shouldn't be hard | 12:55 |
| thom | aye | 12:55 |
| mjg59 | Other laptop issues: cpufreq (sladen's been working on that), hotkey support (every machine has different ways of doing hotkeys, all of them differently broken) | 12:57 |
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| mjg59 | For machines which have support for switching on the LCD, we probably want to do that. But that's dependent on which module they use. | 12:58 |
| fabbione | mjg59: i think Depends should be more than enough | 12:59 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Does that guarantee that it's unpacked before the kernel is unpacked? | 12:59 |
| mjg59 | Oh, actually, that doesn't matter | 12:59 |
| mjg59 | It'll be unpacked before postinst is run, right? | 12:59 |
| elmo | yes | 01:01 |
| mjg59 | Ought to be good, then | 01:01 |
| thom | daniels: | 01:02 |
| thom | thom@jackass:~ $ madison libxinerama1 | 01:02 |
| thom | libxinerama1 | 6.8.1-1ubuntu4 | hoary | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc | 01:02 |
| thom | thom@jackass:~ $ madison libxinerama-dev | 01:02 |
| thom | libxinerama-dev | 6.8.1-1ubuntu4 | hoary | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc | 01:02 |
| thom | thom@jackass:~ $ | 01:02 |
| fabbione | mjg59: as elmo said | 01:02 |
| daniels | thanks | 01:02 |
| elmo | thom: madison takes arbitrary numbers of arguments, or just 'madison -r xinerama' | 01:03 |
| thom | the things you learn | 01:04 |
| thom | elmo: thanks :-) | 01:04 |
| elmo | seb128: err, don't listen to that bong smoking hippy Waugh - how big are -dbg packages for *gnome* going to be? | 01:05 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: smaller than ia32-libs-gnome-make-elmo-go-bong-bong | 01:07 |
| lamont_r | Mithrandir: is there anything larger than ia32-libs? | 01:08 |
| Mithrandir | lamont_r: ooo-amd64? | 01:08 |
| lamont_r | heh | 01:08 |
| Mithrandir | lamont_r: source or binary size? | 01:08 |
| lamont_r | binary | 01:08 |
| lamont_r | then again, source can be interesting too... | 01:09 |
| daniels | o/~ in the ning nang nong, where the cows go bong | 01:09 |
| Mithrandir | ia32-libs is smallish installed-size | 01:10 |
| thom | "ish" | 01:10 |
| Mithrandir | only about 18MB | 01:10 |
| Keybuk | and the monkeys all say boo! | 01:10 |
| Mithrandir | thom: we're talking about _computers_, not pocket calculators. | 01:10 |
| Mithrandir | lamont_r: it's the source size which is _bad_ for ia32-but-amd64 packages. | 01:11 |
| daniels | Keybuk: in the nong ning nang, where the mice go clang, and you just can't stop them when they do! | 01:12 |
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| mjg59 | fabbione: New patch on #4444 | 01:47 |
| fabbione | mjg59: cool | 01:48 |
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| mjg59 | fabbione: daniels: Ok, it turns out video_post blows up on some machines. This is /probably/ due to the code jumping to chunks of video BIOS that have been unmapped after video boot. Any ideas on how to work around this? | 01:53 |
| daniels | mjg59: let me check out the source | 01:54 |
| fabbione | mjg59: is that X specific? | 01:54 |
| fabbione | mjg59: if so daniels is your bitch :P | 01:54 |
| daniels | video_post != X | 01:55 |
| daniels | but yeah, I'll look at it | 01:56 |
| mjg59 | The problem is, that there tend to be at least two jumps (jump from c000:0003 to wherever the code actually is, do some code, jump somewhere else, finish up) | 01:58 |
| mjg59 | And the first set of code is often there, but the second set is sometimes missing | 01:58 |
| mjg59 | So it gets part way through init and then crashes out | 01:58 |
| smurfix_ | Klar, kein Problem. | 01:59 |
| smurfix_ | Ich glaube, das ist | 02:00 |
| smurfix_ | noch etwas zu frh, *sigh* | 02:00 |
| smurfix_ | *sigh* even | 02:01 |
| elmo | smurfix: -EWIN? | 02:01 |
| fabbione | elmo: sparc-ping? | 02:02 |
| smurfix_ | elmo: something like that. :-/ | 02:02 |
| bob2 | bah, unplugging power made my screen go dim, and function-brightness-up doesn't help | 02:02 |
| mjg59 | bob2: Yeah, maximum brightness is lower on battery | 02:05 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: unless you change that in the BIOS | 02:06 |
| daniels | oh my god that code is so much crack | 02:07 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Well, yeah | 02:10 |
| mjg59 | We could do it in vm86 instead, which is less code, but doesn't work on amd64 | 02:10 |
| daniels | mmm, yeah | 02:11 |
| Mithrandir | aaammmmdddd666644444 ccccrrrraaaccckkkk | 02:11 |
| Mithrandir | mmmmmmmm | 02:11 |
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| daniels | mjg59: hmmm | 02:16 |
| daniels | mjg59: might be worthwhile stealing chunks of drivers/vesa and vbe from xorg | 02:16 |
| mjg59 | daniels: The problem is that re-POSTing isn't a VBE thing | 02:17 |
| daniels | mjg59: right, but those at least have a pretty sane int10 implementation | 02:17 |
| mjg59 | The int10 code in that is ripped straight out of xfree | 02:18 |
| mjg59 | (That's why everything starts XF...) | 02:18 |
| daniels | yeah | 02:21 |
| daniels | seems to have been horrifically hacked tho | 02:21 |
| daniels | bbiab | 02:21 |
| lamont_r | definite shortage of tin foil here. | 02:21 |
| Mithrandir | that's because you're all throwing it away | 02:23 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: linux-restricted-modules needs some x.org love, and while you're at it, could you look at 2500? | 02:26 |
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| bob2 | fabbione: do you happen to know how to force hotplug (or whatever) to use usb-storage on usb removable disk things instead of uba? | 02:38 |
| fabbione | bob2: yes. | 02:38 |
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| stockholm | hi | 02:39 |
| stockholm | i am looking for mdz | 02:39 |
| stockholm | when would he surface? | 02:39 |
| thom | he's in hiding | 02:39 |
| bob2 | fabbione: and the way to do it is? | 02:40 |
| fabbione | mjg59: disable-lapic-in-acpi-power-off.dpatch | 02:40 |
| thom | due to crimes against humanity | 02:40 |
| fabbione | is this one of your patches? | 02:40 |
| fabbione | bob2: waiting for me to upload -2 | 02:40 |
| bob2 | fabbione: oh, aesome | 02:40 |
| stockholm | thom: tell him to come out, i try to improve his package. | 02:40 |
| thom | he's asleep | 02:40 |
| thom | seriously | 02:41 |
| stockholm | thom: i *do* believe you. when do you think will he come out of coma? | 02:41 |
| stockholm | thom: is he in europe allready? | 02:42 |
| stockholm | what do i have to do to be invited to some place like spain or the bahamas? | 02:43 |
| smurfix_ | stockholm: Nothing. Everybody's invited. Just come here. | 02:44 |
| stockholm | i would wait for the bahama meeting, then | 02:45 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: That's not one of mine | 02:45 |
| fabbione | mjg59: does it make an sense to you? | 02:45 |
| fabbione | becuase it is non portable code | 02:45 |
| fabbione | and it makes mess on ia64 | 02:45 |
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| mjg59 | It seems to be needed to get poweroff to work on some laptops | 02:46 |
| mjg59 | There's a cleaner fix in 2.6.10, I think | 02:46 |
| fabbione | mjg59: humpf... | 02:46 |
| fabbione | mjg59: do you have an alternate patch for it? | 02:47 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Hang on, just finding it | 02:47 |
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| trulux | hey! | 02:47 |
| fabbione | these undocumented patched ARE A FUCKING PAIN IN THE BUTT | 02:47 |
| mjg59 | http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3643 | 02:47 |
| trulux | lamont, i'm finishing the hardened debian presentation slides | 02:47 |
| fabbione | mjg59: you rock! | 02:48 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: I know | 02:48 |
| daniels | fabbione: apparently the phrase is 'shit hot | 02:49 |
| daniels | ' | 02:49 |
| mjg59 | So shit hot I don't notice cute blondes checking me out in bars, it seems | 02:49 |
| mjg59 | No, hang on. I put in a compact flash card. No g-v-m popup. I fdisk it. g-v-m popup. | 02:50 |
| mjg59 | WTF? | 02:50 |
| fabbione | mjg59: usb mass storage? | 02:51 |
| mjg59 | Nope | 02:51 |
| mjg59 | Compact flash in PCMCIA adaptor | 02:51 |
| daniels | mjgto be fair, I didn't notice cute blondes checking you out in bars, either | 02:51 |
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| mjg59 | daniels: How the christ did you just get a literal tab in that? | 02:51 |
| mjg59 | To be fair, this is sid rather than Ubuntu | 02:52 |
| mjg59 | (the craptop doesn't have PCMCIA...) | 02:52 |
| elmo | I thought the craptop pre-dated PCMCIA | 02:52 |
| elmo | ;) | 02:52 |
| mjg59 | But 4 USB SOCKETS | 02:52 |
| daniels | mjg59: take irssi, apply a liberal amount of burstlag, add a dash of tab and enter arriving in the same read | 02:55 |
| mjg59 | Oh, eww | 02:55 |
| bob2 | she was totally checking you out | 02:55 |
| mjg59 | So that's how it happens | 02:55 |
| bob2 | she even had all her teeth, afaic | 02:55 |
| bob2 | t | 02:55 |
| mjg59 | bob2: I got back to Cambridge and then dreamt about all my teeth falling out | 02:56 |
| stockholm | btw: joey took steve kamp into the security team | 02:56 |
| stockholm | bah | 02:56 |
| daniels | mjg59: the midlands will do that to you | 02:57 |
| stockholm | wrong channel | 02:57 |
| stockholm | thom: what do you think, when will mdz be available? | 02:57 |
| bob2 | mjg59: still doesn't beat kinnison's dream about a british justin timberlake | 02:57 |
| thom | dude, he's asleep | 02:59 |
| thom | how should i know? :-) | 02:59 |
| stockholm | thom: you did know *that* he slept, i figured you had an ETOA from experience, too. (c: | 03:00 |
| elmo | stockholm: he's ill | 03:01 |
| stockholm | never mind. | 03:01 |
| elmo | (and not in the daniels, I'm a wapper-from-the-80s sense, either) | 03:01 |
| stockholm | elmo: ah, uh. poor bastard. | 03:01 |
| stockholm | ok, then i wont wait for him. | 03:01 |
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| daniels | elmo: i'm a fookin wapper and i might kill yoo | 03:02 |
| bob2 | cops don't kill people... | 03:03 |
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| daniels | bob2: racks at level3 do (or at least just cut them up) | 03:03 |
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| Treenaks | daniels: You've seen it happen? | 03:04 |
| azeem | daniels: hey, did you see that one? | 03:04 |
| azeem | "Winning the Motor Trend Car of the Year award is huge for us," said Dieter Zetsche, Chrysler's president and chief executive. | 03:04 |
| Treenaks | daniels: (You've made it happen?) | 03:04 |
| azeem | "As Snoop Dogg would say, it's the shizzle," he added. | 03:04 |
| daniels | Treenaks: ask thom! | 03:04 |
| daniels | azeem: HAHA | 03:04 |
| bob2 | haha | 03:05 |
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| fabbione | elmo: <bitching>g1bb0r m3 s0m3 sp4rc l0v3</bitching> | 03:15 |
| gilligan_ | could someone give me some help by telling me where i can get the source to the network-profile-util in Computer-->System Configuration-->Networking ? (what module to check out from cvs or whatever.. ) | 03:15 |
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| mjg59 | gilligan_: That ought to be gnome-system-tools | 03:18 |
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| gilligan_ | mjg59: ah,thanks | 03:21 |
| jdub_ | mjg59: so we've decided to ship a modified netapplet with hoary, not networkmanager | 03:22 |
| azeem | ohhhhh | 03:23 |
| mjg59 | jdub_: Haha | 03:23 |
| mjg59 | It's still that broken? | 03:23 |
| thom | short term decrack goal | 03:24 |
| mjg59 | Modified in what way? | 03:24 |
| thom | it's still taht broken :/ | 03:24 |
| thom | ui fixes, and making it a real applet | 03:24 |
| mjg59 | Rock | 03:24 |
| jdub | making the menu less arse | 03:24 |
| mjg59 | I'm happy on merging those into the Debian one | 03:24 |
| lamont_r | daniels: is working on windows! | 03:26 |
| jdub | ahr | 03:27 |
| thom | we have translucent windows! | 03:27 |
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| elmo | just C-z him | 03:28 |
| thom | nah, that'll just stop his windows rendering, the arctic wind will still come in | 03:29 |
| Mithrandir | thom: there's no artic wind down here by the equator | 03:30 |
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| daniels | mjg59: he's unhappy with his x40? | 03:33 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Haha | 03:33 |
| Keybuk | you can have casual sex for getting suspend working on mine, if you like :p | 03:33 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Tell tbm to get his docking station fixed, and I can start debugging it | 03:34 |
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| bob2 | so, my x40 only wakes up "sometimes" | 03:41 |
| Kamion | that'd be the water | 03:42 |
| bob2 | it was tobacco bong juice, tyvm | 03:42 |
| Kamion | mmm, sip from that bong | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | bob2: Much sucking | 03:43 |
| mjg59 | Try downgrading the BIOS? | 03:43 |
| bob2 | is that safe? | 03:44 |
| mjg59 | Dunno | 03:44 |
| mjg59 | It's very weird, though. This is with my kernel? | 03:44 |
| bob2 | yup | 03:44 |
| mjg59 | Try Hoary's 2.6.9 once fabbione has uploaded -3 | 03:44 |
| bob2 | it'a on sleep-when-I-close-the-lid, and sometimes it half comes-back | 03:45 |
| bob2 | the sleep and battery lights are on | 03:45 |
| mjg59 | Ah. Hrm. | 03:45 |
| mjg59 | Try unloading the sound driver before suspend. | 03:45 |
| bob2 | ah, ok | 03:46 |
| mjg59 | I've seen that behaviour, but only with 2.6.10 | 03:46 |
| bob2 | it's.."often" fucked after resume | 03:46 |
| mjg59 | Sound? | 03:46 |
| Kamion | bob2: actually, your x40 sounds like it's entered daf mode | 03:46 |
| mjg59 | Weird | 03:46 |
| bob2 | this was with your 2.6.9 | 03:46 |
| bob2 | Kamion: haha | 03:46 |
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| jdub | bob2: fucked after resume? | 03:46 |
| jdub | bob2: perhaps keeping it dry would help | 03:47 |
| Mithrandir | uhm, from glibc: | 03:47 |
| Mithrandir | +Send bug reports directly to Ulrich Drepper <drepper@gnu.org>. Please | 03:47 |
| Mithrandir | +do *not* use the glibcbug script for reporting bugs in the snapshots. | 03:47 |
| Mithrandir | +glibcbug should only be used for problems with the official released versions. | 03:47 |
| Mithrandir | +We don't like bug reports in the bug database because otherwise the impression | 03:47 |
| Mithrandir | +of instability or lack of quality control of glibc as a whole might manifest | 03:47 |
| Mithrandir | +in people's mind. | 03:47 |
| Mithrandir | especially the last part is comforting. | 03:47 |
| mjg59 | Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha | 03:48 |
| mjg59 | We should totally switch to BSD libc | 03:48 |
| thom | KICK ASS | 03:48 |
| thom | we should use hackerlab | 03:48 |
| fabbione | ahha | 03:48 |
| mjg59 | Hrm | 03:49 |
| mjg59 | I'm halfway through a long upgrade. It's run the acpid preinst and stopped it, but hasn't got round to postinst yet | 03:49 |
| mjg59 | Suckitude | 03:49 |
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| Mithrandir | mjg59: acpid should predepend on itself or something | 03:49 |
| bob2 | jdub: bah | 03:49 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Hahaha | 03:49 |
| Mithrandir | preferably the next version | 03:50 |
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| fabbione | ahhaha | 03:50 |
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| fabbione | RIDE THE NETSPLIT! | 03:59 |
| fabbione | OH YEAH | 03:59 |
| zul | heh | 04:00 |
| thom | dude, you need less free time :P | 04:05 |
| mjg59 | thom: When's the laptop BOF starting? | 04:05 |
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| Mithrandir | elmo: could you please sync glibc? | 04:05 |
| elmo | err, really? | 04:05 |
| thom | mjg59: hour and a half | 04:05 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: really. | 04:05 |
| mjg59 | thom: Ah, are wiki times GMT? | 04:06 |
| thom | nope | 04:06 |
| mjg59 | Oh. I thought it said 16:30 | 04:06 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: I've hand-checked and we should be fine. | 04:06 |
| mjg59 | Maybe I'd already converted it in my head... | 04:06 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: done | 04:07 |
| Mithrandir | thanks a lot | 04:07 |
| thom | mjg59: 17:30 | 04:07 |
| elmo | do we have a testing bug? | 04:07 |
| elmo | or can someone please make a comment on a bug, or in some other way cause bugzilla to send mail? | 04:08 |
| Mithrandir | two secs | 04:09 |
| Mithrandir | ta | 04:09 |
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| elmo | meh, nothing broke, how disappointing. must try harder. | 04:14 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: please sync mozilla-firefox-locale-it | 04:15 |
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| elmo | done | 04:15 |
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| Treenaks | hey sivang | 04:19 |
| Treenaks | sivang: I see you made it to the hotel? :) | 04:19 |
| sivang | Treenaks : Hi Martin :) | 04:19 |
| sivang | Treenaks : yeppers, thank to your wonderful phootage | 04:20 |
| Treenaks | sivang: cool :) | 04:20 |
| Treenaks | sivang: where are you now | 04:20 |
| sivang | Treenaks : I just saw you on the BOF room, we are downstaris | 04:21 |
| ogra | sivang: thats what i'd also like to know | 04:21 |
| sivang | hey ogra, I think I noticed you also :) | 04:21 |
| ogra | ahh | 04:21 |
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| Treenaks | sivang: ah ok :) | 04:21 |
| ogra | i didnt :( | 04:21 |
| ogra | i'll come down for a cigarette | 04:21 |
| sivang | ogra : were you on the BOF also? or in the area? | 04:22 |
| ogra | yep....directly at the door | 04:22 |
| ogra | i'm coming down now.... | 04:22 |
| thom | hey fabio, where's my kernel? ;-) | 04:23 |
| daniels | dude, where's my kernel | 04:27 |
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| bob2 | woo, room wireless | 04:30 |
| mjg59 | catdog: Any joy with that? | 04:32 |
| catdog | mjg59: Yeah. Suspend-to-disk seems to be working okay. I need to plug the usb mouse back in to get it working again. | 04:32 |
| mjg59 | catdog: Hrmph. | 04:33 |
| mjg59 | That stuff's supposed to be fixed. Ah well. | 04:33 |
| lamont_r | it's all mdz's fault | 04:33 |
| mjg59 | Possibly we should unload USB on suspend and reload it on resume. | 04:33 |
| catdog | Suspend-to-ram not. It just boots up as normal again. | 04:33 |
| mjg59 | catdog: Ah. Yes, I've got a machine here that does that. What sort of laptop is it? | 04:34 |
| catdog | mjg59:A multivision - based on a Uniwill chassis N251C2 | 04:35 |
| catdog | it's crap :) | 04:35 |
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| catdog | Also, when booting (whether a normal boot, or from suspend-to-disk) I get about 25/30 messages like "ERROR: Removing 'xxxxxx': Device or resource busy". | 04:37 |
| Treenaks | Quick link to close all firefox windows at once: | 04:37 |
| Treenaks | http://maas-online.nl/security/poc-mozilla-crash.html | 04:37 |
| mjg59 | catdog: Yeah, thats normal | 04:38 |
| mjg59 | catdog: Hrm. AMD CPU? | 04:38 |
| catdog | mjg59: "mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+" | 04:38 |
| mjg59 | Yeah. It seems to be non-Intel chipsets that cause it. | 04:39 |
| mjg59 | I've never seen it on an Intel | 04:39 |
| catdog | What, cause suspend-to-ram to not work? | 04:39 |
| mjg59 | Couple of AMDs, every VIA I've tried | 04:40 |
| mjg59 | Yup | 04:40 |
| mjg59 | It's a Linux bug, but it's down to hardware interaction and basically impossible to debug without a logic analyser | 04:40 |
| mjg59 | (or, alternatively, entirely reimplementing the ACPI layer and seeing if it has the same problem...) | 04:40 |
| fabbione | thom: on the way soon | 04:40 |
| === catdog nods knowingly... | ||
| fabbione | thom: for that patch we need to find a way to "optionalize" it | 04:41 |
| fabbione | i am waiting the 2 turtles to complete the build | 04:42 |
| fabbione | also known as ia64 and ppc | 04:42 |
| === mjg59 trolls Macedonians | ||
| thom | indeed | 04:44 |
| thom | mjg59: macedonian keymap thing on freedesktop | 04:45 |
| mjg59 | It's so funny (in a completely terrifying sort of way) | 04:45 |
| thom | ? | 04:45 |
| mjg59 | thom: Yes | 04:45 |
| thom | that mail was quite scary | 04:46 |
| mjg59 | The one about reporting us to the UN? | 04:46 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: reporting to the UN/ | 04:49 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: Some insane Macedonian (or possibly Greek) guy threatening to report Debian to the UN because of the name used for FYOM in the installer | 04:50 |
| mjg59 | And claiming that we'd be found guilty of supporting terrorism | 04:50 |
| Treenaks | nice one | 04:50 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: mpich sync, please. | 04:51 |
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| elmo | Mithrandir: done | 05:03 |
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| kylem | Keybuk's fanboy thing is neat... | 05:08 |
| Treenaks | kylem: doesn't it Depends: fans ? | 05:09 |
| mjg59 | fanboy? | 05:10 |
| kylem | mjg59, it's on his blog. | 05:11 |
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| mjg59 | laptop BOF on now? | 05:30 |
| Mithrandir | is it possible to invoke the gnome run dialog from the command line? | 05:30 |
| elmo | mjg59: com counc meeting atm | 05:31 |
| thom | mjg59: yes, laptop bof starts now according to the schedule | 05:31 |
| mjg59 | thom: Could someone harass me if there's anything I can give input on? | 05:32 |
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| Mithrandir | Treenaks: do you use nl_NL as your locale, and do you have a unstable box running? | 05:35 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: uh ish :) | 05:35 |
| Mithrandir | Treenaks: if so, could you verify that the current thunderbird is totally on crack and not translated to Dutch? | 05:35 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: I'm only running hoary here.. my unstable box is uhm.. say like.. uh.. a few 1000km away | 05:36 |
| Mithrandir | I'm looking at merging, but I'm not going to merge if it's on crack (which I think it is, since it seems to just have copied the german translation.) | 05:36 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: show me :) | 05:37 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: we will harass you, sure. | 05:39 |
| aj | Kamion: around? | 05:40 |
| Kamion | aj: yep | 05:40 |
| aj | Kamion: tarballs of ubuntu debootstraps since 0.2.39ubuntu19? | 05:40 |
| Kamion | aj: coming up. they're all entirely Ubuntu-specific changes though | 05:41 |
| Kamion | aj: is there some way you'd like me to get these to you as I build them? | 05:41 |
| aj | put 'em up on some website and give me a url is good | 05:41 |
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| aj | i'm setting up my darcs repo, will see if that's usable for jhm, if so i'll point you at whatever that ends up being later | 05:42 |
| Mithrandir | Treenaks: http://err.no/tmp/mozilla-thunderbird-locale-nl_0.9.dfsg-1_all.deb | 05:42 |
| lamont_r | Kamion: netkit-ftp built for you. | 05:42 |
| Kamion | aj: they're all on http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/debootstrap/ now; will try to remember to keep uploading new tarballs there | 05:43 |
| Mithrandir | that's a plain built m-t-l-n from unstable. I'd be surprised if it's not on crack. | 05:43 |
| Kamion | aj: want mailed/otherwise-pinged, or will you poll when you're interested, or which? | 05:44 |
| aj | i'll poll for the moment | 05:44 |
| Kamion | ok, will be a new version soon for Ubuntu/ia64 anyway | 05:44 |
| Kamion | lamont_r: hooray, no more libreadline5 | 05:46 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: everything looks pretty Dutch to me... | 05:47 |
| Mithrandir | hm | 05:47 |
| Mithrandir | weird | 05:47 |
| Mithrandir | or mom is on crack | 05:47 |
| Treenaks | mom? | 05:47 |
| Mithrandir | mergeomatic | 05:48 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: ah ok.. not anyone's mother :) | 05:49 |
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| === Kamion wonders if debootstrap will break if libc6 goes last in the required list ... | ||
| Mithrandir | Treenaks: just the patches' mother. | 05:50 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: the MOAP | 05:50 |
| aj | Kamion: shouldn't | 05:50 |
| Kamion | about to find out, I guess :) | 05:50 |
| aj | Kamion: i occassionally get confused when it does things not in alpha order, but that's not debootstrap's problem... | 05:50 |
| Kamion | might be nice to sort those lists | 05:51 |
| elmo | argh | 05:51 |
| elmo | Kamion: why doesn't debman cache? | 05:51 |
| Kamion | elmo: it's too stupid | 05:52 |
| Kamion | :-) | 05:52 |
| Kamion | wow, somebody other than me uses debman | 05:52 |
| Mithrandir | what's debman? | 05:53 |
| Kamion | # debman - read a man page from an uninstalled Debian package file (.deb) | 05:53 |
| Kamion | elmo: what are you using it on? | 05:53 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: BaseSeed! | 05:54 |
| elmo | Kamion: how do you mean? I'm trying to read a bunch of postfix manpages (and not have to trash my exim4 install), if you mean what os/distro, hoary | 05:54 |
| Kamion | elmo: ah, was just wondering why performance was a problem, ok | 05:55 |
| Kamion | file a bug on debian-goodies, cc me? | 05:55 |
| elmo | sure | 05:55 |
| elmo | bugzilla or debbugs? | 05:55 |
| Kamion | debbugs | 05:55 |
| elmo | k | 05:55 |
| Kamion | (do we have debian-goodies in Ubuntu?) | 05:56 |
| Kamion | wow, we do | 05:56 |
| Kamion | cool | 05:56 |
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| mxpxpod | wow, the foot menu looks way different | 05:59 |
| Kamion | Setting up ntpdate (4.2.0a-11ubuntu2) ... | 06:01 |
| Kamion | I: Configuring ntpdate... | 06:01 |
| Kamion | * Synchronizing clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.org... | 06:01 |
| Kamion | *ror : Servname not supported for ai_socktype [fail] | 06:01 |
| Kamion | can we make ntpdate not do anything when it's being debootstrapped? | 06:02 |
| mjg59 | Why does it give *ror ? | 06:02 |
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| Kamion | because /lib/lsb/init-functions is on crack | 06:02 |
| mjg59 | Ah | 06:03 |
| Kamion | it overwrites the error in an awkward way; we were talking about ways to fix that the other day | 06:03 |
| Kamion | hi Mark | 06:03 |
| sabdf1 | hi all | 06:03 |
| Kamion | we are currently in the hothouse (literally) known as the laptop BOF | 06:04 |
| sabdf1 | master garrett conducting from afar? | 06:04 |
| Kamion | lamont_r: why did passwd need to be added to hoary.buildd's required? | 06:05 |
| Kamion | lamont_r: and can we add libunwind7 and libunwind7-dev only on ia64? | 06:05 |
| Kamion | sabdf1: on call in case of emergency or confusion :-) | 06:05 |
| mjg59 | Hello | 06:06 |
| mjg59 | Is there a better channel for this? | 06:06 |
| sabdf1 | is it a hothouse because you havent got lifeless' hoverbook in stealth mode yet? | 06:06 |
| Kamion | this seems about right | 06:06 |
| Kamion | sabdf1: too many people and too little AC, I think; opening the windows caused fun arctic winds :-) | 06:07 |
| Kamion | I think lifeless' hoverbook needs to engage submarine mode, that would be funnier | 06:07 |
| mjg59 | sabdf1: Though the hoverbook /does/ now have working ACPI... | 06:08 |
| sabdf1 | nice | 06:08 |
| lamont_r | libunwind7{,-dev} only exist on ia6 | 06:08 |
| lamont_r | 4 | 06:08 |
| Kamion | let's install them only there then | 06:08 |
| === fabbione kicks ia64 | ||
| lamont_r | passwd is a dep of something... second | 06:08 |
| fabbione | that cpu is pure crap | 06:09 |
| elmo | CPU DEATHMATCH | 06:09 |
| lamont_r | bash Depends: passwd | 06:09 |
| lamont_r | have a nice day | 06:09 |
| Kamion | lamont_r: d'oh | 06:09 |
| Kamion | lamont_r: ok | 06:09 |
| fabbione | elmo: even my slow sparc running buildd in parallel was faster to build the kernel (no ccache on both of them) | 06:10 |
| === fabbione sends ia64 to hell | ||
| jdub | i blame the projector for the hothouse | 06:12 |
| jdub | and the AC not really appearing to be on | 06:12 |
| elmo | fabbione: IIRC ia64 builds like 20x the amount of drivers sparc does | 06:14 |
| elmo | but yeah, they're not great, esp. for the $$ | 06:14 |
| Mithrandir | and they do VLIW, which is painful | 06:14 |
| elmo | oh, yeah, gcc sucks for ia64 | 06:15 |
| Mithrandir | it's also a hard problem | 06:16 |
| seb128 | elmo, are some of the GNOME packages in NEW ? I've added -dbg to gnome-panel, gnome-applets, nautilus | 06:16 |
| elmo | 9.8M nautilus-dbg_2.9.1-0ubuntu3_powerpc.deb | 06:18 |
| fabbione | elmo: ok... but we are not talking like 1 hour difference.. we are above 5 HOURS difference | 06:18 |
| Kamion | lamont_r: debootstrap for ia64 uploaded, HAND | 06:19 |
| elmo | 9.3M gnome-applets-dbg_2.9.2-0ubuntu4_powerpc.deb | 06:19 |
| elmo | oh, yeah, and ia64 builds 4 variants? | 06:19 |
| seb128 | elmo, pointing the size ? I know, but Jeff said you talked about it and that's ok for a few packages | 06:19 |
| Kamion | aj: 0.2.45ubuntu10 there for you now too | 06:19 |
| fabbione | elmo: yes. sparc64 2 | 06:19 |
| elmo | seb128: one sec, I'm just going to come and pour some coke over jeff | 06:19 |
| Kamion | seb128: can't you use the binutils support for separated debug sections? | 06:20 |
| jdub | seb is going to harm me for this | 06:20 |
| azeem | elmo: I wanted to add an 'elmo is going to love me for this' to my -dbg-proposal on ubuntu-devel, but then refrained | 06:20 |
| Kamion | rather than building a completely new -dbg variant? | 06:21 |
| jdub | seb128: i thought we were going to check the sizes with elmo before uploading? | 06:21 |
| seb128 | jdub, you said to do applets/panel/control-center/nautilus and to check what to do with the other ones latter | 06:21 |
| seb128 | or I misunderstood | 06:22 |
| seb128 | Kamion, -dbg are just the symboles stripped by dh_strip | 06:22 |
| seb128 | Kamion, that's not the right way to do that ? | 06:23 |
| Kamion | seb128: ah, you're already using dh_strip --dbg-package? | 06:23 |
| seb128 | yes | 06:23 |
| Kamion | ok, good | 06:23 |
| Kamion | yeah, that uses the binutils feature | 06:23 |
| kylem | heh, i don't know how you guys managed it, but ubuntu doesn't want to network on my x30. :) | 06:26 |
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| Kamion | fabbione: can you confirm what the ia64 -itanium-smp kernel package is going to be called? | 06:39 |
| fabbione | Kamion: Package: linux-image-2.6.9-1-itanium-smp | 06:40 |
| fabbione | given that i didn't miss anything | 06:40 |
| fabbione | it is still building | 06:40 |
| fabbione | :( | 06:40 |
| === Keybuk read that as italian-smp and was about to go "meh!?" | ||
| Kamion | fabbione: ok, good | 06:40 |
| fabbione | ahahaha | 06:40 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: i am already smp :P | 06:40 |
| aj | Kamion: typical! | 06:46 |
| Mithrandir | this is so bad. | 06:46 |
| Mithrandir | when building swig, it invokes chicken-config in some cracky way. | 06:47 |
| Mithrandir | so it spits the help message back. | 06:47 |
| elmo | * The "please do not create new packages using debmake" release, | 06:50 |
| elmo | also known as "this is the beginning of the end". | 06:50 |
| Mithrandir | of debmake? | 06:50 |
| === Mithrandir cheers | ||
| thom | rockity rock | 06:57 |
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| azeem | mjg59: so, for an IBM R51, PMTestingResults seem to be 'yes', 'yes', 'yes' | 07:06 |
| mjg59 | azeem: Rock | 07:06 |
| azeem | mjg59: however, I did the testing on unstable | 07:06 |
| azeem | after porting your stuff | 07:06 |
| fabbione | Kamion: if you need: p.u.c/~fabbione/sparc | 07:09 |
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| eruin | what's going on with nautilus/burner? | 07:14 |
| kylem | what are the odds of a hoary netinstall working for me? | 07:15 |
| eruin | let's give it a 90% | 07:15 |
| daniels | kylem: wfm | 07:16 |
| kylem | ok. because i'm suitably enraged that warty wouldn't... | 07:16 |
| === kylem will give daniels the benefit of the doubt. | ||
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| eruin | whoa. is the new meny layout I'm getting on the last dist-upgrade a concious decision? | 07:19 |
| eruin | ie things like the computer menu now being "actions", while settings, the menu with synaptic in it, etc has been moved to the applications menu? | 07:19 |
| azeem | eruin: there was discussion about this on ubuntu-devel | 07:19 |
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| eruin | yeah, what I've read/heard of it didn't seem to illustrate the changes I now see | 07:20 |
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| azeem | eruin: I thought the conclusion was to drop the Ubuntu patches for now and introduce gnome-menu | 07:22 |
| Kamion | eruin: it's temporary | 07:22 |
| eruin | yeah, it's no big deal, just wondering ;) - I thought gnome was slightly leaning towards apps | places | system ? | 07:22 |
| eruin | I guess I haven't been following this closely enough | 07:24 |
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| lamont_r | and yet I have somewhat of an idea of what's going on... | 07:34 |
| kylem | blargh. your nautilus is fudged. sigh. | 07:38 |
| kylem | ah, needed universe. *slap* | 07:46 |
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| eruin | btw, any of you have an idea if gtk-filechooser is planned for either the firefox package or the firefox-gnome-support pkg? | 07:48 |
| kylem | or not. son of a bitch. | 07:48 |
| eruin | I've seen it in fedora, but no anywhere else, and I've seen you guys are actively tracking any fancy fedora patches... is it a part of firefox or is it a manual patch? | 07:49 |
| eruin | probably the wrong place to ask that last question ;) | 07:49 |
| eruin | in any case, shouldn't ubuntu-desktop depend on packages such as firefox-gnome, openoffice.org-gtk-gnome? | 07:51 |
| fabbione | meaning within this evening | 07:54 |
| fabbione | ops | 07:54 |
| Kamion | eruin: we haven't put those into the desktop seed yet; they're proposals at the moment, I think at least mozilla-firefox-gnome-support was accepted so it should be there soon | 07:55 |
| eruin | ok, thanks for clearing that up :) | 07:57 |
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| Kamion | lamont_r,fabbione: new debian-installer crack uploaded for you both; ia64 and sparc may or may not work now | 08:05 |
| === trulux is installing Ubuntu in his desktop box | ||
| trulux | lamont, i will work with Ubuntu soon ;-) | 08:08 |
| fabbione | Kamion: cool! | 08:08 |
| trulux | (as soon as the installer ends) | 08:08 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i will give it a try later this night or tomorrow | 08:09 |
| thom | FEH | 08:13 |
| lamont_r | Kamion: thanks | 08:14 |
| lamont_r | interestingly, causing /etc/dev.d/default/unmount.dev to not do anything if $DEVNAME is empty seems to make the unmount-the-world go away | 08:15 |
| Treenaks | lamont_r: and does it affect anything else? | 08:16 |
| Treenaks | lamont_r: like, for example, unmounting when it's needed? | 08:16 |
| lamont_r | doesn't seem to | 08:17 |
| lamont_r | umount -l results in an error exit when there are no arguments... | 08:17 |
| daniels | net/core/pktgen.c:603: warning: right shift count >= width of type | 08:18 |
| daniels | net/core/pktgen.c:603: warning: passing arg 1 of `__div64_32' from incompatible pointer type | 08:18 |
| daniels | i am filled with so much confidence | 08:18 |
| seb128 | hum | 08:21 |
| seb128 | I've added libnautilus-extension1 and libnautilus-extension-dev to nautilus ... can somebody promote them to main ? | 08:22 |
| seb128 | (nautilus-cd-burner need them to build) | 08:22 |
| Treenaks | seb128: ah so YOU broke that :P | 08:23 |
| === kylem snarls at seb128 ;) | ||
| seb128 | I broke nothing | 08:23 |
| seb128 | upstreams did :p | 08:23 |
| Treenaks | seb128: stupid upstream gnomes | 08:23 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 08:24 |
| thom | yeah, damn them and their fishing rods | 08:24 |
| fabbione | GET THE CRACK! | 08:25 |
| fabbione | 2.6.9-2 is up | 08:25 |
| zul | fabbione: whats new? | 08:26 |
| lamont_r | Kamion: if glibc weren | 08:27 |
| lamont_r | t ftbfs on ia64, it'd work. | 08:28 |
| thom | hey, my kernel has leet printing every file it opens crack | 08:28 |
| Kamion | lamont_r: haha | 08:29 |
| fabbione | zul: a security fix for amd64, a bunch of bug fixes and ia64 support | 08:29 |
| fabbione | i am off for food :-) | 08:29 |
| fabbione | later | 08:29 |
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| daniels | thom: i hope your /var is large | 08:37 |
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| jdub | azeem: ping? | 08:41 |
| mvo | jdub: can you send me your sources.list file please? | 08:42 |
| Kamion | elmo: can you 'chmod g+w /home/warthogs/archives/ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds/seeds--hoary/seeds--hoary--0/patch-48' on chinstrap please? | 08:43 |
| elmo | TLA CRACK | 08:43 |
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| Kamion | no idea how that happened, your umask seems right ... | 08:43 |
| Clint | easier to use setfacl -d | 08:44 |
| Kamion | cjwatson@chinstrap:~$ type setfacl | 08:44 |
| Kamion | -bash: type: setfacl: not found | 08:44 |
| elmo | done | 08:44 |
| Clint | that's one reason not to use it | 08:44 |
| Kamion | elmo: thanks | 08:44 |
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| eruin | http://appelsinjuice.org/bug.txt | 09:27 |
| eruin | anything like that even worth submitting? | 09:27 |
| eruin | something* | 09:27 |
| eruin | I have no idea what could be causing this (though I'd bet it's the xorg-ish updates or udev/hal), and cedega isn't exactly opensource... | 09:29 |
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| trulux | lamont, i'm having trouble configuring Ubuntu | 10:37 |
| trulux | no nvidia module for my card in XFree | 10:37 |
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| trulux | doko, ping | 10:43 |
| === trulux is fixing it | ||
| trulux | lamont, are you there? | 10:51 |
| trulux | hey tseng | 10:57 |
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| jon1012 | hi everybody | 11:22 |
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| jon1012 | hi | 11:22 |
| jon1012 | is there someone who is working on gnome-panel here ? :/ | 11:22 |
| jon1012 | completly brokenthe release of today on hoary :( | 11:23 |
| jon1012 | just to know if I could work on it... | 11:24 |
| jon1012 | or if someone is already working on it :/ | 11:24 |
| jon1012 | (and also I don't know how to submit my work if I decide to try to fix it) | 11:24 |
| mjg59 | Grah. Stuff is appearing as /dev/ub and udev isn't making device nodes. | 11:25 |
| jon1012 | arg :/ | 11:26 |
| jon1012 | (MAKEDEV ?) | 11:26 |
| jon1012 | (lol) | 11:26 |
| jon1012 | someone working on gnome here ? | 11:27 |
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| jon1012 | hi | 11:30 |
| sid77 | hi | 11:30 |
| jon1012 | do you know someone who work on gnome on ubuntu ? | 11:32 |
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| jdub | pants off | 11:35 |
| jon1012 | :| | 11:36 |
| jon1012 | hi | 11:36 |
| seb128 | hey hey hey jdub | 11:37 |
| jdub | seb128: you're well fed? :) | 11:37 |
| jon1012 | ofor the logs if someone reads :/ if you have informations about the gnome-menu and gnome-panel 2.9.2 being broken please email me at jonathan.schemoul@gmail.com thanks :) | 11:38 |
| seb128 | jdub, yep, the dinner was fine (some tapas) ! | 11:38 |
| seb128 | jdub, and you ? | 11:38 |
| jdub | we had spanish chinese | 11:40 |
| jdub | jon1012: 'broken'? | 11:40 |
| seb128 | there is some difference between chinese in differents countries ? | 11:41 |
| jon1012 | yup... the menu is rgoing really weird :/ | 11:41 |
| jdub | seb128: well, they served olives at the start ;) | 11:41 |
| jon1012 | everything is going on the applications menus, and all the translations have been reseted to english | 11:41 |
| seb128 | jdub, ah ah | 11:41 |
| seb128 | jon1012, that's normal | 11:41 |
| jon1012 | why ? | 11:41 |
| jon1012 | :/ | 11:41 |
| seb128 | jon1012, hoary is a devel branche and this has been discussed on the ubuntu-devel list | 11:41 |
| seb128 | read the list for details | 11:42 |
| jon1012 | lol I'm not and this list | 11:42 |
| jon1012 | how can I read it ? :p | 11:42 |
| seb128 | and don't use a devel branch if you don't want get changes | 11:42 |
| seb128 | lists.ubuntu.com | 11:42 |
| jon1012 | (and also I want to start helping with the develop. of hoary, how can I do to enroll ? lol) | 11:42 |
| jon1012 | (I'm a C and C# developer) | 11:42 |
| seb128 | subscribe to the devel list first :) | 11:42 |
| seb128 | jdub, BTW libnautilus-extension1 and libnautilus-extension-dev need some main love, you can do this ? | 11:43 |
| jdub | seb128: if nautilus builds them and depends on them, they'll just shift to main with some elmo interaction | 11:43 |
| jdub | seb128: they don't need to be in the seed | 11:43 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:44 |
| seb128 | nautilus-cd-burning is ftbfsing for the moment | 11:44 |
| seb128 | just need to wait in elmo so | 11:44 |
| jon1012 | lol, but I was saying is that the places menu disapearred | 11:45 |
| jon1012 | and now there is Actions (like in fedora or standard gnome) | 11:45 |
| jdub | jon1012: yeah, known issue -> see ubuntu-devel list :) | 11:45 |
| jon1012 | lool | 11:45 |
| jon1012 | ok | 11:45 |
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| jon1012 | (is there a way to search in the archives of the mailing list ?) | 11:47 |
| seb128 | lists.ubuntu.com | 11:48 |
| jon1012 | lol yes I'm on it | 11:48 |
| seb128 | the thread about this is on the archive of december of ubuntu-devel | 11:48 |
| seb128 | should be easy to find | 11:48 |
| jon1012 | ok :) | 11:48 |
| jon1012 | humpf I think that I will simply put all the menu files from the .deb of warty directly on my filesystem :/ | 11:56 |
| jon1012 | (and the french localisation since in this release there isn't french :/) | 11:56 |
| jon1012 | only the /etc/xdg so, and the messages in french for gnome menus | 11:57 |
| jon1012 | do you think that it can work without fucking up the things more than they are ? :) | 11:57 |
| seb128 | you can fix anything in hoary | 11:58 |
| seb128 | the gnomevfs method to do old menu has been dropped | 11:58 |
| seb128 | so you need to hack gnomevfs or to revert it | 11:59 |
| seb128 | so to downgrade a lot of stuff | 11:59 |
| seb128 | better to reinstall a warty system if you go in this way | 11:59 |
| seb128 | jon1012, hoary is not a release but a devel branche | 11:59 |
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