[12:19] <mjg59> fabbione: Around?
[12:56] <mjg59> fabbione: I've sent mail about 2.6.9 patches
[01:46] <lexhider> can anyone confirm a bug I'm experiencing. Compose a mail in evolution with a word not in dictionary [e.g. Ubuntu]  and try to add it to dictionary. Right-click add-to-dict causes an evolution crash. Right-click check-spelling and then adding to dictionary causes all of gnome to lock up and so I have to drop back to console and kill evolution for things to work OK again.
[01:47] <trulux> hey lamont 
[02:00] <lexhider> i'll post to list, bye
[03:36] <usual> the wiki mentions inotify being added to hoary, has it been added? if so I can't seem to find it.
[03:37] <usual> nm i found it
[07:08] <justdave> Thunderbird 1.0 is out.  When do we get it in Hoary?  ;)
[07:10] <calc> 1.0 is out already?
[07:11] <justdave> yep
[07:11] <calc> i just installed 1.0rc gotta upgrade ;)
[07:11] <justdave> they decided they didn't feel like staying up late tonight, and it was ready to go, so they did midnight eastern instead of 1am pacific
[07:12] <justdave> they'd been advertising it would be out 1am pacific on the 7th
[08:56] <Mithrandir> thom?
[08:57] <thom> Mithrandir: ?
[08:57] <Mithrandir> thom: the dhcp server advertises a non-existent DNS server
[08:57] <thom> yes
[08:57] <thom> nada i can do
[08:57] <Mithrandir> set up a DNS server on the ip address?
[08:57] <thom> it's given me correct info
[08:57] <Mithrandir> it just gave Karianne wrong info
[08:57] <thom> 192.168.0.2 ?
[08:57] <Mithrandir> yeah
[08:58] <thom> hrm, i can possibly hack round it, not sure
[08:58] <Mithrandir> would be nice; it's not the first time it's happened and she's not the only victim.
[09:01] <thom> easier than i thought, fixed
[09:02] <Mithrandir> thanks a lot
[09:09] <thom> elmo/mdz/jdub: shall i commit the seed additions?
[09:13] <jdub> thom: hrm, wait for mailing udevel, i think
[09:13] <thom> kk
[09:15] <seb128> grrr, is that only me or people star using the devel list as an user one ?
[09:15] <jdub> yeah
[09:16] <fabbione> the bof room is open
[09:17] <thom> fabbione: yeah, but we're supposed to be using the main room for hacking
[09:18] <fabbione> thom: shushhhhh
[09:18] <fabbione> ;)
[09:33] <Mithrandir> thom: aren't we supposed to use the hack room for hacking?
[09:33] <thom> Mithrandir: there are gonna be bofs in it
[09:33] <fabbione> Mithrandir: he is english.. he has a distorted view of the world :P
[09:33] <thom> i can get jane to come and beat you up
[09:34] <Mithrandir> can you make her bring tea while doing it?
[09:34] <fabbione> ahahah
[09:34] <Mithrandir> are there any evolution hackers about, whom I may beat up?
[09:35] <mdz> lifeless, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/bazaar/1.0.1-1/ ?
[09:36] <lifeless> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3107
[09:37] <carlos> enrico: http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2
[09:37] <enrico> carlos: cool!
[09:38] <haggai> elmo: ehhm, I had main=hoary and universe=warty in my sources.list.. \o/
[09:38] <Keybuk> elmo: I don't guarantee that mom won't get the category of patch wrong, I just guarantee that when it gets it wrong it will get it /amusingly/ wrong
[09:38] <lamont_r> haggai: interesting...  how'd it do?
[09:39] <haggai> lamont_r: surprisingly well, I only noticed because the available apt-proxy was the testing, not unstable version
[09:39] <haggai> lamont_r: although meld was broken and I guess that was the reason why
[09:39] <lamont_r> ah
[09:41] <Mithrandir> seb128: what's the chance of bugs I report in evo actually being fixed?
[09:42] <fabbione> mjg59: you around?
[09:43] <seb128> Mithrandir, depending of the bug ...
[09:43] <Mithrandir> seb128: mostly UI issues.
[09:43] <seb128> Mithrandir, so pretty low
[09:43] <seb128> there is a lot of crasher and big issues to deal with first
[09:44] <Mithrandir> stuff like enter not doing the right thing when editing an appointment, superflous buttons, the fact that if you select a read-only calendar, suddenly anything you type in is interpreted as menu shortcuts.
[09:44] <Mithrandir> should be simple enough to fix if you know the structure and _really_ annoying when you use it
[09:44] <seb128> right
[09:45] <seb128> opening a bug doesn't hurt
[09:45] <seb128> but not sure on quick it'll be fixed
[09:45] <lamont_r> Keybuk: what became of the +b1 binNMU thing?
[09:45] <elmo> fabbione: done
[09:45] <Mithrandir> seb128: I guess using upstream's bugzilla makes sense, then.
[09:45] <Keybuk> we're having a BOF about that I think here?
[09:45] <seb128> Mithrandir, yes
[09:45] <lamont_r> Keybuk: ah, ok
[09:46] <fabbione> elmo: what's the name of the porting box?
[09:46] <elmo> oh, meh, it'd help to bind mount home wouldn't it
[09:46] <elmo> fabbione: halley.u.c but one sec
[09:46] <fabbione> elmo: please remember ccache as well :-)
[09:46] <fabbione> sure..
[09:47] <elmo> yeah, ccache is there
[09:47] <elmo> and home and proc are there too
[09:47] <fabbione> 1337!
[09:48] <fabbione> elmo: echo hoary > /etc/debian_chroot
[09:48] <elmo> I don't think that works because of the sarge base system
[09:49] <elmo> oh, no, it does, I'm a muppet
[09:49] <elmo> done
[09:50] <fabbione> thanks
[09:53] <lamont_r> seb128: ??
[09:55] <daniels> elmo: could you please install davis:~daniels/binutils/*.deb in the hoary chroot?
[09:56] <daniels> fabbione: new kernel diff in concordia:~daniels/kernel/l-i/install-all-asm-headers.diff
[09:56] <fabbione> daniels: ok
[09:56] <daniels> fabbione: (debdiff shows just the asm-* stuff changing)
[09:56] <daniels> fabbione: for i in linux-image-2.6.9-1-amd64-{generic,k8{,-smp},xeon} linux-headers-2.6.9-1{,-amd64-{generic,k8{,-smp},xeon}}; do echo -- $i; echo; echo; echo; debdiff ${i}_2.6.9-{1,2}_amd64.deb; done | less
[09:56] <daniels> fabbione: run that in concordia:~daniels/kernel/l-i if you like
[09:58] <thom> NetworkMagic BOF in the BOF room now
[09:58] <thom> heel!
[09:58] <daniels> elmo: (you might want to diff the testsuite, etc; the build tree is lying around in there)
[09:59] <fabbione> daniels: ok i will in a few.. i am giving ia64 port love to the kernel right now
[09:59] <daniels> fabbione: cheers
[10:06] <lifeless> ~.
[10:07] <lifeless> garh
[10:12] <fabbione> daniels: the patch seems to work :-)
[10:12] <fabbione> daniels: nice job.. let me apply it
[10:12] <daniels> fabbione: thanks
[10:13] <daniels> the binutils testsuite is running on concordia atm
[10:14] <seb128> daniels, so, where are the stuff I need to get a decent resolution on my laptop ? :)
[10:16] <fabbione>   Changes by Daniel Stone:
[10:16] <fabbione> 
[10:16] <fabbione>   * Modify debian/header-install and debian/post-install in order to ship all
[10:16] <fabbione>     the asm headers in the linux-header package and produce proper symlinks
[10:16] <fabbione>     from the specific flavour. This circumnvent a problem on powerpc (mainly)
[10:16] <fabbione>     that uses a bunch of m68k asm includes.
[10:16] <fabbione>     This fix will allow also the build of the new linux-restricted modules.
[10:22] <fabbione> elmo_away: is there any problem with halley?
[10:23] <pitti> lamont: you uploaded hpsockd 0.13.0.14
[10:24] <pitti> lamont: however, I already fixed hpsockd in 0.12ubuntu0.1
[10:24] <daniels> seb128: try this - http://perso.wanadoo.fr/apoirier/
[10:24] <pitti> lamont: does this version fix anything else than the recent DoS?
[10:24] <daniels> fabbione: 'This fix will also allow the new linux-restricted-modules to build on powerpc.'
[10:25] <pitti> lamont: if not, it needs to be removed from the queue
[10:25] <seb128> daniels, ok, thank
[10:25] <seb128> thanks
[10:25] <daniels> no worries :)
[10:25] <pitti> lamont_r: ^
[10:26] <fabbione> elmo_away: can you ssh to halley???
[10:26] <fabbione> i can ping it from within the dc
[10:26] <fabbione> but ssh hangs
[10:35] <fabbione> mdz: what about that USB_BLK_UB thingy? 
[10:35] <fabbione> are we sure 100% that we have to kill it?
[10:35] <fabbione> the 2 errors i found around where not related to usb but to the scsi layer on top of usb
[10:36] <Kamion> 09:28 < svenl> Damn, unmounting the usb stick freezes this 2.6.9 kernel, i suppose this is considered an RC bug ...
[10:36] <Kamion> (if that's the same thing ...)
[10:36] <fabbione> Kamion: nope.. that's another bug
[10:36] <fabbione> Kamion: they are both tracked on kernel bugzilla
[10:37] <fabbione> but i am not going to spend time to explain to sven how to search
[10:37] <Kamion> of course :-)
[10:40] <fabbione> seb128: can you push mdz on irc?
[10:42] <fabbione> mdz: read above
[10:42] <mdz> fabbione: unset CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB
[10:42] <fabbione> ok
[10:42] <mdz> confirmed to fix my problems
[10:45] <azeem> jdub: I just wanted to point you to the multisync packages for hoary yesterday evening, but then had to go and decided to mail ubuntu-users
[10:46] <pitti> elmo: can you please remove hpsockd 0.13.0.14 from the warty-security queue?
[10:46] <pitti> elmo: don't beat up me, I didn't upload it :-/
[10:46] <fabbione> elmo: halley is dead
[10:46] <fabbione> elmo: i can't ssh to it anymore
[10:46] <jdub> azeem: saw your mail :-)
[10:46] <jdub> azeem: good stuff :)
[10:48] <elmo> pitti: ?? who did?
[10:48] <elmo> fabbione: works for me?
[10:49] <fabbione> elmo: i can ping, but not ssh
[10:50] <fabbione> now i can again
[10:50] <fabbione> weird
[11:20] <seb128> what about them ?
[11:22] <Treenaks> oh nothing special
[11:23] <seb128> so why throwing them on me ? :)
[11:25] <Treenaks> seb128: I am :)
[11:26] <seb128> "why" is the question ? :p
[11:26] <Treenaks> seb128: oh, just for fun
[11:29] <seb128> ok ;)
[11:32] <Mithrandir> something is dropping loads of packets on the floor.
[11:45] <bob2> it was kinnison
[12:01] <Mithrandir> nneeeeewwww freeeesshh craaaccckkk
[12:04] <thom> http://www.elmundo.es/navegante/2004/12/07/softlibre/1102413723.html
[12:08] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: even more?
[12:08] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: yeah, I'm working on ia32-libs.
[12:08] <Mithrandir> and have a new, big, fresh supply of crack
[12:09] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: I _only_ have ia32 libs here 8)
[12:09] <Treenaks> (but then, I don't have an amd64 laptop)
[12:09] <Mithrandir> neither do I, but I have access to real machines.
[12:24] <elmo> can I add bazaar-doc to supported under the 'Obvious' rule ?
[12:26] <seb128> lamont, do you know why gnome-panel doesn't build ? it doesn't find libgnome-menu-dev which is in main ...
[12:26] <elmo> seb128: I only recently promoted
[12:26] <elmo> +it
[12:26] <seb128> "recently" like "10 min ago" ?
[12:27] <elmo> uh, dunno, last hour or so
[12:27] <elmo> it's in Building state now anyways
[12:27] <seb128> ok, thanks
[12:27] <lamont_r> elmo: bazaar-doc sounds right and good.
[12:28] <daniels> elmo: could you please install binutils on davis and concordia and also try the test suite? ~daniels/binutils/
[12:28] <lamont_r> %bazaar fits into that category, no?
[12:29] <elmo> huh?
[12:29] <elmo> how could binutils not be installed?
[12:29] <mjg59> fabbione: You called?
[12:29] <elmo> do you mean upgrade?
[12:29] <daniels> elmo: yeah
[12:29] <fabbione> mjg59: yup.. i got the patches, thanks. i will apply them in -3.
[12:30] <mjg59> fabbione: Rock. They look ok?
[12:30] <fabbione> mjg59: i need to get -2 out today with ia64 love
[12:30] <fabbione> mjg59: i reviewed them with mdz and they look ok 
[12:31] <elmo> Kamion: do we have seed  mod notification yet?
[12:31] <fabbione> mjg59: mind to enlight me about the initrd changes that needs to be done?
[12:31] <fabbione> mjg59: are we safe to upload the kernel without these changes?
[12:31] <fabbione> mjg59: or the 2 needs to be alligned?
[12:32] <mjg59> fabbione: Uploading without the initrd-tools changes is fine, but swsusp won't work
[12:32] <mjg59> I've filed a bug against initrd-tools in bugzilla with a patch to it
[12:32] <lamont_r> pitti: it's on its way
[12:33] <mjg59> Bug #4444
[12:34] <fabbione> mjg59: thanks
[12:36] <fabbione> mjg59: of course the patch doesn't need to ensure that the module is loaded, right?
[12:36] <fabbione> and it doesn't break with older kernels...
[12:36] <mjg59> fabbione: Yeah - swsusp can't be modular
[12:37] <mjg59> Oh, hrm. It probably wants to check that the file exists before echoing into it.
[12:37] <daniels> fabbione: will -2 have asm-* love?
[12:37] <fabbione> daniels: yes. already applied
[12:38] <fabbione> daniels: do you have time to upload xorg ubuntu5 with the sparc support back?
[12:38] <fabbione> mjg59: mind to review the patch so i can upload * today?
[12:39] <Kamion> elmo: hm, no, not yet
[12:39] <mjg59> fabbione: Sorry, which patch?
[12:39] <Kamion> elmo: do you need it?
[12:39] <fabbione> mjg59: the one to initrd?
 Oh, hrm. It probably wants to check that the file exists before
[12:39] <fabbione>           echoing into it.
[12:39] <mjg59> Oh, right. Yeah, will do.
[12:39] <daniels> fabbione: brilliant
[12:39] <daniels> fabbione: yeah, sure
[12:39] <mjg59> It just wants a if [ -f ]  around the echo
[12:39] <elmo> kamion: no not particularly, just curious
[12:40] <mjg59> Pavel wants a couple of minor changes to the swsusp code, but nothing significant
[12:40] <fabbione> mjg59: i am dealing to require a higher version of initrd tools to ensure that swsup works as it should.. but i need to be 100% sure that there are no regressions with older kernels. 2.6.9 is not the default yet.
[12:40] <mjg59> fabbione: Ok, no problem
[12:40] <fabbione> mjg59: i still have to apply the patches, so if you want to change stuff around go ahead.
[12:41] <thom> fabbione: http://planetarytramp.net/linux-2.6.3-printopen.patch KTHXBYE ;-)
[12:42] <Kamion> Resolving planetarytramp.net... failed: Host not found.
[12:42] <thom> hrmph, that should work
[12:43] <thom> cack, i can't from here
[12:43] <Mithrandir> thom: you tramp! :P
[12:43] <thom> hohum
[12:44] <mjg59> thom: Dude, what does that actually do?
[12:44] <mjg59> Oh, and is the laptop BOF today?
[12:45] <thom> mjg59: exactly what it says on the tin
[12:45] <thom> yes
[12:45] <fabbione> Kamion: WORKSFORME
[12:45] <fabbione> thom: weird patch... but we can work on it i guess
[12:45] <mjg59> thom: Ok - do you have time for a quick chat about it?
[12:45] <Kamion> planetarytramp.net: warning: glueless NS dns0.positive-internet.com ([80.87.128.65]  dns0.positive-internet.com, in glue from [192.43.172.30]  i.gtld-servers.net, server for net)
[12:45] <Kamion> planetarytramp.net: warning: glueless NS dns1.positive-internet.com ([80.87.128.65]  dns0.positive-internet.com, in glue from [192.43.172.30]  i.gtld-servers.net, server for net)
[12:45] <Kamion> that might not help, although it could just be chiark-named-conf being ultra-picky
[12:46] <thom> prolly chiark
[12:47] <thom> mjg59: sure
[12:47] <Kamion> well, gluelessness can be a real problem
[12:47] <thom> Kamion: it can be
[12:47] <Kamion> depends whether it's circular or not I guess :)
[12:48] <fabbione> mjg59
[12:48] <fabbione> mjg59: i asked thom if it is possible to apply that patch, but make it "active" only on a boot parameter
[12:49] <fabbione> i am pretty sure that will be handy while you guys monitor the hd activity
[12:49] <fabbione> and it would allow people to test and track without having to recompile a kernel
[12:50] <thom> it's for readahead, mostly. there are already kernel interfaces to find out what tries to write to disk
[12:50] <mjg59> Ah, right
[12:50] <mjg59> thom: Probably need to discuss what sort of PM is going to be the default in Hoary
[12:51] <mjg59> thom: I think StD can probably be on by default. StR ought to be supported but disabled. APM ought to be loaded if acpi isn't running.
[12:51] <thom> apm is loaded correctly as of yesterdya
[12:51] <pitti> elmo: scponly is fixed and published now
[12:52] <mjg59> thom: Rocking
[12:52] <mjg59> Also, force more people to test these things
[12:52] <mjg59> fabbione: Oh, the kernel possibly needs to pre-depend on the newer initrd-tools, thinking about it...
[12:52] <elmo> pitti: sweet, thanks
[12:53] <mjg59> Or is depend sufficient?
[12:53] <mjg59> thom: Issues with suspend are primarily how it gets exposed to the UI
[12:53] <mjg59> Not everyone who has working StR has a sleep button, so there needs to be some sort of UI element to get them there
[12:54] <Mithrandir> mjg59: "lid" :)
[12:54] <thom> so we need some way of exposing that in gnome similar to windows' shutdown menu
[12:55] <thom> we also need some way of letting peoople choose whether they want to suspend on lid closure etc
[12:55] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Yeah, but then people bitch that they don't want the machine to sleep on lid closure
[12:55] <Mithrandir> mjg59: they are wrong. (:
[12:55] <mjg59> thom: Indeed. Knocking up something g-s-tish shouldn't be hard
[12:55] <thom> aye
[12:57] <mjg59> Other laptop issues: cpufreq (sladen's been working on that), hotkey support (every machine has different ways of doing hotkeys, all of them differently broken)
[12:58] <mjg59> For machines which have support for switching on the LCD, we probably want to do that. But that's dependent on which module they use.
[12:59] <fabbione> mjg59: i think Depends should be more than enough
[12:59] <mjg59> fabbione: Does that guarantee that it's unpacked before the kernel is unpacked?
[12:59] <mjg59> Oh, actually, that doesn't matter
[12:59] <mjg59> It'll be unpacked before postinst is run, right?
[01:01] <elmo> yes
[01:01] <mjg59> Ought to be good, then
[01:02] <thom> daniels: 
[01:02] <thom> thom@jackass:~ $ madison libxinerama1
[01:02] <thom> libxinerama1 | 6.8.1-1ubuntu4 |         hoary | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc
[01:02] <thom> thom@jackass:~ $ madison libxinerama-dev
[01:02] <thom> libxinerama-dev | 6.8.1-1ubuntu4 |         hoary | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc
[01:02] <thom> thom@jackass:~ $
[01:02] <fabbione> mjg59: as elmo said
[01:02] <daniels> thanks
[01:03] <elmo> thom: madison takes arbitrary numbers of arguments, or just 'madison -r xinerama'
[01:04] <thom> the things you learn
[01:04] <thom> elmo: thanks :-)
[01:05] <elmo> seb128: err, don't listen to that bong smoking hippy Waugh - how big are -dbg packages for *gnome* going to be?
[01:07] <Mithrandir> elmo: smaller than ia32-libs-gnome-make-elmo-go-bong-bong
[01:08] <lamont_r> Mithrandir: is there anything larger than ia32-libs?
[01:08] <Mithrandir> lamont_r: ooo-amd64?
[01:08] <lamont_r> heh
[01:08] <Mithrandir> lamont_r: source or binary size?
[01:08] <lamont_r> binary
[01:09] <lamont_r> then again, source can be interesting too...
[01:09] <daniels> o/~ in the ning nang nong, where the cows go bong
[01:10] <Mithrandir> ia32-libs is smallish installed-size
[01:10] <thom> "ish"
[01:10] <Mithrandir> only about 18MB
[01:10] <Keybuk>  and the monkeys all say boo!
[01:10] <Mithrandir> thom: we're talking about _computers_, not pocket calculators.
[01:11] <Mithrandir> lamont_r: it's the source size which is _bad_ for ia32-but-amd64 packages.
[01:12] <daniels> Keybuk: in the nong ning nang, where the mice go clang, and you just can't stop them when they do!
[01:47] <mjg59> fabbione: New patch on #4444
[01:48] <fabbione> mjg59: cool
[01:53] <mjg59> fabbione: daniels: Ok, it turns out video_post blows up on some machines. This is /probably/ due to the code jumping to chunks of video BIOS that have been unmapped after video boot. Any ideas on how to work around this?
[01:54] <daniels> mjg59: let me check out the source
[01:54] <fabbione> mjg59: is that X specific?
[01:54] <fabbione> mjg59: if so daniels is your bitch :P
[01:55] <daniels> video_post != X
[01:56] <daniels> but yeah, I'll look at it
[01:58] <mjg59> The problem is, that there tend to be at least two jumps (jump from c000:0003 to wherever the code actually is, do some code, jump somewhere else, finish up)
[01:58] <mjg59> And the first set of code is often there, but the second set is sometimes missing
[01:58] <mjg59> So it gets part way through init and then crashes out
[01:59] <smurfix_> Klar, kein Problem.
[02:00] <smurfix_> Ich glaube, das ist
[02:00] <smurfix_>  noch etwas zu frh, *sigh*
[02:01] <smurfix_> *sigh* even
[02:01] <elmo> smurfix: -EWIN?
[02:02] <fabbione> elmo: sparc-ping?
[02:02] <smurfix_> elmo: something like that. :-/
[02:02] <bob2> bah, unplugging power made my screen go dim, and function-brightness-up doesn't help
[02:05] <mjg59> bob2: Yeah, maximum brightness is lower on battery
[02:06] <Mithrandir> mjg59: unless you change that in the BIOS
[02:07] <daniels> oh my god that code is so much crack
[02:10] <mjg59> daniels: Well, yeah
[02:10] <mjg59> We could do it in vm86 instead, which is less code, but doesn't work on amd64
[02:11] <daniels> mmm, yeah
[02:11] <Mithrandir> aaammmmdddd666644444 ccccrrrraaaccckkkk
[02:11] <Mithrandir> mmmmmmmm
[02:16] <daniels> mjg59: hmmm
[02:16] <daniels> mjg59: might be worthwhile stealing chunks of drivers/vesa and vbe from xorg
[02:17] <mjg59> daniels: The problem is that re-POSTing isn't a VBE thing
[02:17] <daniels> mjg59: right, but those at least have a pretty sane int10 implementation
[02:18] <mjg59> The int10 code in that is ripped straight out of xfree
[02:18] <mjg59> (That's why everything starts XF...)
[02:21] <daniels> yeah
[02:21] <daniels> seems to have been horrifically hacked tho
[02:21] <daniels> bbiab
[02:21] <lamont_r> definite shortage of tin foil here.
[02:23] <Mithrandir> that's because you're all throwing it away
[02:26] <Mithrandir> daniels: linux-restricted-modules needs some x.org love, and while you're at it, could you look at 2500?
[02:38] <bob2> fabbione: do you happen to know how to force hotplug (or whatever) to use usb-storage on usb removable disk things instead of uba?
[02:38] <fabbione> bob2: yes.
[02:39] <stockholm> hi
[02:39] <stockholm> i am looking for mdz
[02:39] <stockholm> when would he surface?
[02:39] <thom> he's in hiding
[02:40] <bob2> fabbione: and the way to do it is?
[02:40] <fabbione> mjg59:  disable-lapic-in-acpi-power-off.dpatch 
[02:40] <thom> due to crimes against humanity
[02:40] <fabbione> is this one of your patches?
[02:40] <fabbione> bob2: waiting for me to upload -2
[02:40] <bob2> fabbione: oh, aesome
[02:40] <stockholm> thom: tell him to come out, i try to improve his package.
[02:40] <thom> he's asleep
[02:41] <thom> seriously
[02:41] <stockholm> thom: i *do* believe you. when do you think will he come out of coma?
[02:42] <stockholm> thom: is he in europe allready?
[02:43] <stockholm> what do i have to do to be invited to some place like spain or the bahamas?
[02:44] <smurfix_> stockholm: Nothing. Everybody's invited. Just come here.
[02:45] <stockholm> i would wait for the bahama meeting, then
[02:45] <mjg59> fabbione: That's not one of mine
[02:45] <fabbione> mjg59: does it make an sense to you?
[02:45] <fabbione> becuase it is non portable code
[02:45] <fabbione> and it makes mess on ia64
[02:46] <mjg59> It seems to be needed to get poweroff to work on some laptops
[02:46] <mjg59> There's a cleaner fix in 2.6.10, I think
[02:46] <fabbione> mjg59: humpf...
[02:47] <fabbione> mjg59: do you have an alternate patch for it?
[02:47] <mjg59> fabbione: Hang on, just finding it
[02:47] <trulux> hey!
[02:47] <fabbione> these undocumented patched ARE A FUCKING PAIN IN THE BUTT
[02:47] <mjg59> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3643
[02:47] <trulux> lamont, i'm finishing the hardened debian presentation slides
[02:48] <fabbione> mjg59: you rock!
[02:48] <mjg59> fabbione: I know
[02:49] <daniels> fabbione: apparently the phrase is 'shit hot
[02:49] <daniels> '
[02:49] <mjg59> So shit hot I don't notice cute blondes checking me out in bars, it seems
[02:50] <mjg59> No, hang on. I put in a compact flash card. No g-v-m popup. I fdisk it. g-v-m popup.
[02:50] <mjg59> WTF?
[02:51] <fabbione> mjg59: usb mass storage?
[02:51] <mjg59> Nope
[02:51] <mjg59> Compact flash in PCMCIA adaptor
[02:51] <daniels> mjg	to be fair, I didn't notice cute blondes checking you out in bars, either
[02:51] <mjg59> daniels: How the christ did you just get a literal tab in that?
[02:52] <mjg59> To be fair, this is sid rather than Ubuntu
[02:52] <mjg59> (the craptop doesn't have PCMCIA...)
[02:52] <elmo> I thought the craptop pre-dated PCMCIA
[02:52] <elmo> ;)
[02:52] <mjg59> But 4 USB SOCKETS
[02:55] <daniels> mjg59: take irssi, apply a liberal amount of burstlag, add a dash of tab and enter arriving in the same read
[02:55] <mjg59> Oh, eww
[02:55] <bob2> she was totally checking you out
[02:55] <mjg59> So that's how it happens
[02:55] <bob2> she even had all her teeth, afaic
[02:55] <bob2> t
[02:56] <mjg59> bob2: I got back to Cambridge and then dreamt about all my teeth falling out
[02:56] <stockholm> btw: joey took steve kamp into the security team
[02:56] <stockholm> bah
[02:57] <daniels> mjg59: the midlands will do that to you
[02:57] <stockholm> wrong channel
[02:57] <stockholm> thom: what do you think, when will mdz be available?
[02:57] <bob2> mjg59: still doesn't beat kinnison's dream about a british justin timberlake
[02:59] <thom> dude, he's asleep
[02:59] <thom> how should i know? :-)
[03:00] <stockholm> thom: you did know *that* he slept, i figured you had an ETOA from experience, too. (c:
[03:01] <elmo> stockholm: he's ill
[03:01] <stockholm> never mind.
[03:01] <elmo> (and not in the daniels, I'm a wapper-from-the-80s sense, either)
[03:01] <stockholm> elmo: ah, uh. poor bastard.
[03:01] <stockholm> ok, then i wont wait for him.
[03:02] <daniels> elmo: i'm a fookin wapper and i might kill yoo
[03:03] <bob2> cops don't kill people...
[03:03] <daniels> bob2: racks at level3 do (or at least just cut them up)
[03:04] <Treenaks> daniels: You've seen it happen?
[03:04] <azeem> daniels: hey, did you see that one?
[03:04] <azeem> "Winning the Motor Trend Car of the Year award is huge for us," said Dieter Zetsche, Chrysler's president and chief executive.
[03:04] <Treenaks> daniels: (You've made it happen?)
[03:04] <azeem> "As Snoop Dogg would say, it's the shizzle," he added.
[03:04] <daniels> Treenaks: ask thom!
[03:04] <daniels> azeem: HAHA
[03:05] <bob2> haha
[03:15] <fabbione> elmo: <bitching>g1bb0r m3 s0m3 sp4rc l0v3</bitching>
[03:15] <gilligan_> could someone give me some help by telling me where i can get the source to the network-profile-util in Computer-->System Configuration-->Networking ? (what module to check out from cvs or whatever.. )
[03:18] <mjg59> gilligan_: That ought to be gnome-system-tools
[03:21] <gilligan_> mjg59: ah,thanks
[03:22] <jdub_> mjg59: so we've decided to ship a modified netapplet with hoary, not networkmanager
[03:23] <azeem> ohhhhh
[03:23] <mjg59> jdub_: Haha
[03:23] <mjg59> It's still that broken?
[03:24] <thom> short term decrack goal
[03:24] <mjg59> Modified in what way?
[03:24] <thom> it's still taht broken :/
[03:24] <thom> ui fixes, and making it a real applet
[03:24] <mjg59> Rock
[03:24] <jdub> making the menu less arse
[03:24] <mjg59> I'm happy on merging those into the Debian one
[03:26] <lamont_r> daniels: is working on windows!
[03:27] <jdub> ahr
[03:27] <thom> we have translucent windows!
[03:28] <elmo> just C-z him
[03:29] <thom> nah, that'll just stop his windows rendering, the arctic wind will still come in
[03:30] <Mithrandir> thom: there's no artic wind down here by the equator
[03:33] <daniels> mjg59: he's unhappy with his x40?
[03:33] <mjg59> daniels: Haha
[03:33] <Keybuk> you can have casual sex for getting suspend working on mine, if you like :p
[03:34] <mjg59> Keybuk: Tell tbm to get his docking station fixed, and I can start debugging it
[03:41] <bob2> so, my x40 only wakes up "sometimes"
[03:42] <Kamion> that'd be the water
[03:42] <bob2> it was tobacco bong juice, tyvm
[03:42] <Kamion> mmm, sip from that bong
[03:43] <mjg59> bob2: Much sucking
[03:43] <mjg59> Try downgrading the BIOS?
[03:44] <bob2> is that safe?
[03:44] <mjg59> Dunno
[03:44] <mjg59> It's very weird, though. This is with my kernel?
[03:44] <bob2> yup
[03:44] <mjg59> Try Hoary's 2.6.9 once fabbione has uploaded -3
[03:45] <bob2> it'a on sleep-when-I-close-the-lid, and sometimes it half comes-back
[03:45] <bob2> the sleep and battery lights are on
[03:45] <mjg59> Ah. Hrm.
[03:45] <mjg59> Try unloading the sound driver before suspend.
[03:46] <bob2> ah, ok
[03:46] <mjg59> I've seen that behaviour, but only with 2.6.10
[03:46] <bob2> it's.."often" fucked after resume
[03:46] <mjg59> Sound?
[03:46] <Kamion> bob2: actually, your x40 sounds like it's entered daf mode
[03:46] <mjg59> Weird
[03:46] <bob2> this was with your 2.6.9
[03:46] <bob2> Kamion: haha
[03:46] <jdub> bob2: fucked after resume?
[03:47] <jdub> bob2: perhaps keeping it dry would help
[03:47] <Mithrandir> uhm, from glibc:
[03:47] <Mithrandir> +Send bug reports directly to Ulrich Drepper <drepper@gnu.org>.  Please
[03:47] <Mithrandir> +do *not* use the glibcbug script for reporting bugs in the snapshots.
[03:47] <Mithrandir> +glibcbug should only be used for problems with the official released versions.
[03:47] <Mithrandir> +We don't like bug reports in the bug database because otherwise the impression
[03:47] <Mithrandir> +of instability or lack of quality control of glibc as a whole might manifest
[03:47] <Mithrandir> +in people's mind.
[03:47] <Mithrandir> especially the last part is comforting.
[03:48] <mjg59> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[03:48] <mjg59> We should totally switch to BSD libc
[03:48] <thom> KICK ASS
[03:48] <thom> we should use hackerlab
[03:48] <fabbione> ahha
[03:49] <mjg59> Hrm
[03:49] <mjg59> I'm halfway through a long upgrade. It's run the acpid preinst and stopped it, but hasn't got round to postinst yet
[03:49] <mjg59> Suckitude
[03:49] <Mithrandir> mjg59: acpid should predepend on itself or something
[03:49] <bob2> jdub: bah
[03:49] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Hahaha
[03:50] <Mithrandir> preferably the next version
[03:50] <fabbione> ahhaha
[03:59] <fabbione> RIDE THE NETSPLIT!
[03:59] <fabbione> OH YEAH
[04:00] <zul> heh
[04:05] <thom> dude, you need less free time :P
[04:05] <mjg59> thom: When's the laptop BOF starting?
[04:05] <Mithrandir> elmo: could you please sync glibc?
[04:05] <elmo> err, really?
[04:05] <thom> mjg59: hour and a half
[04:05] <Mithrandir> elmo: really.
[04:06] <mjg59> thom: Ah, are wiki times GMT?
[04:06] <thom> nope
[04:06] <mjg59> Oh. I thought it said 16:30
[04:06] <Mithrandir> elmo: I've hand-checked and we should be fine.
[04:06] <mjg59> Maybe I'd already converted it in my head...
[04:07] <elmo> Mithrandir: done
[04:07] <Mithrandir> thanks a lot
[04:07] <thom> mjg59: 17:30
[04:07] <elmo> do we have a testing bug?
[04:08] <elmo> or can someone please make a comment on a bug, or in some other way cause bugzilla to send mail?
[04:09] <Mithrandir> two secs
[04:09] <Mithrandir> ta
[04:14] <elmo> meh, nothing broke, how disappointing.  must try harder.
[04:15] <Mithrandir> elmo: please sync mozilla-firefox-locale-it
[04:15] <elmo> done
[04:19] <Treenaks> hey sivang
[04:19] <Treenaks> sivang: I see you made it to the hotel? :)
[04:19] <sivang> Treenaks : Hi Martin :)
[04:20] <sivang> Treenaks : yeppers, thank to your wonderful phootage 
[04:20] <Treenaks> sivang: cool :)
[04:20] <Treenaks> sivang: where are you now
[04:21] <sivang> Treenaks : I just saw you on the BOF room, we are downstaris
[04:21] <ogra> sivang: thats what i'd also like to know
[04:21] <sivang> hey ogra, I think I noticed you also :)
[04:21] <ogra> ahh
[04:21] <Treenaks> sivang: ah ok :)
[04:21] <ogra> i didnt :(
[04:21] <ogra> i'll come down for a cigarette
[04:22] <sivang> ogra : were you on the BOF also? or in the area?
[04:22] <ogra> yep....directly at the door
[04:22] <ogra> i'm coming down now....
[04:23] <thom> hey fabio, where's my kernel? ;-)
[04:27] <daniels> dude, where's my kernel
[04:30] <bob2> woo, room wireless
[04:32] <mjg59> catdog: Any joy with that?
[04:32] <catdog> mjg59: Yeah. Suspend-to-disk seems to be working okay. I need to plug the usb mouse back in to get it working again.
[04:33] <mjg59> catdog: Hrmph.
[04:33] <mjg59> That stuff's supposed to be fixed. Ah well.
[04:33] <lamont_r> it's all mdz's fault
[04:33] <mjg59> Possibly we should unload USB on suspend and reload it on resume.
[04:33] <catdog> Suspend-to-ram not. It just boots up as normal again.
[04:34] <mjg59> catdog: Ah. Yes, I've got a machine here that does that. What sort of laptop is it?
[04:35] <catdog> mjg59:A multivision - based on a Uniwill chassis N251C2
[04:35] <catdog> it's crap :)
[04:37] <catdog> Also, when booting (whether a normal boot, or from suspend-to-disk) I get about 25/30 messages like "ERROR: Removing 'xxxxxx': Device or resource busy". 
[04:37] <Treenaks> Quick link to close all firefox windows at once:
[04:37] <Treenaks> http://maas-online.nl/security/poc-mozilla-crash.html
[04:38] <mjg59> catdog: Yeah, thats normal
[04:38] <mjg59> catdog: Hrm. AMD CPU?
[04:38] <catdog> mjg59: "mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+"
[04:39] <mjg59> Yeah. It seems to be non-Intel chipsets that cause it.
[04:39] <mjg59> I've never seen it on an Intel
[04:39] <catdog> What, cause suspend-to-ram to not work?
[04:40] <mjg59> Couple of AMDs, every VIA I've tried
[04:40] <mjg59> Yup
[04:40] <mjg59> It's a Linux bug, but it's down to hardware interaction and basically impossible to debug without a logic analyser
[04:40] <mjg59> (or, alternatively, entirely reimplementing the ACPI layer and seeing if it has the same problem...)
[04:40] <fabbione> thom: on the way soon
[04:41] <fabbione> thom: for that patch we need to find a way to "optionalize" it
[04:42] <fabbione> i am waiting the 2 turtles to complete the build
[04:42] <fabbione> also known as ia64 and ppc
[04:44] <thom> indeed
[04:45] <thom> mjg59: macedonian keymap thing on freedesktop
[04:45] <mjg59> It's so funny (in a completely terrifying sort of way)
[04:45] <thom> ?
[04:45] <mjg59> thom: Yes
[04:46] <thom> that mail was quite scary
[04:46] <mjg59> The one about reporting us to the UN?
[04:49] <Treenaks> mjg59: reporting to the UN/
[04:50] <mjg59> Treenaks: Some insane Macedonian (or possibly Greek) guy threatening to report Debian to the UN because of the name used for FYOM in the installer
[04:50] <mjg59> And claiming that we'd be found guilty of supporting terrorism
[04:50] <Treenaks> nice one
[04:51] <Mithrandir> elmo: mpich sync, please.
[05:03] <elmo> Mithrandir: done
[05:08] <kylem> Keybuk's fanboy thing is neat...
[05:09] <Treenaks> kylem: doesn't it Depends: fans ?
[05:10] <mjg59> fanboy?
[05:11] <kylem> mjg59, it's on his blog.
[05:30] <mjg59> laptop BOF on now?
[05:30] <Mithrandir> is it possible to invoke the gnome run dialog from the command line?
[05:31] <elmo> mjg59: com counc meeting atm
[05:31] <thom> mjg59: yes, laptop bof starts now according to the schedule
[05:32] <mjg59> thom: Could someone harass me if there's anything I can give input on?
[05:35] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: do you use nl_NL as your locale, and do you have a unstable box running?
[05:35] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: uh ish :)
[05:35] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: if so, could you verify that the current thunderbird is totally on crack and not translated to Dutch?
[05:36] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: I'm only running hoary here.. my unstable box is uhm.. say like.. uh.. a few 1000km away
[05:36] <Mithrandir> I'm looking at merging, but I'm not going to merge if it's on crack (which I think it is, since it seems to just have copied the german translation.)
[05:37] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: show me :)
[05:39] <Mithrandir> mjg59: we will harass you, sure.
[05:40] <aj> Kamion: around?
[05:40] <Kamion> aj: yep
[05:40] <aj> Kamion: tarballs of ubuntu debootstraps since 0.2.39ubuntu19?
[05:41] <Kamion> aj: coming up. they're all entirely Ubuntu-specific changes though
[05:41] <Kamion> aj: is there some way you'd like me to get these to you as I build them?
[05:41] <aj> put 'em up on some website and give me a url is good
[05:42] <aj> i'm setting up my darcs repo, will see if that's usable for jhm, if so i'll point you at whatever that ends up being later
[05:42] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: http://err.no/tmp/mozilla-thunderbird-locale-nl_0.9.dfsg-1_all.deb
[05:42] <lamont_r> Kamion: netkit-ftp built for you.
[05:43] <Kamion> aj: they're all on http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/debootstrap/ now; will try to remember to keep uploading new tarballs there
[05:43] <Mithrandir> that's a plain built m-t-l-n from unstable.  I'd be surprised if it's not on crack.
[05:44] <Kamion> aj: want mailed/otherwise-pinged, or will you poll when you're interested, or which?
[05:44] <aj> i'll poll for the moment
[05:44] <Kamion> ok, will be a new version soon for Ubuntu/ia64 anyway
[05:46] <Kamion> lamont_r: hooray, no more libreadline5
[05:47] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: everything looks pretty Dutch to me...
[05:47] <Mithrandir> hm
[05:47] <Mithrandir> weird
[05:47] <Mithrandir> or mom is on crack
[05:47] <Treenaks> mom?
[05:48] <Mithrandir> mergeomatic
[05:49] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: ah ok.. not anyone's mother :)
[05:50] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: just the patches' mother.
[05:50] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: the MOAP
[05:50] <aj> Kamion: shouldn't
[05:50] <Kamion> about to find out, I guess :)
[05:50] <aj> Kamion: i occassionally get confused when it does things not in alpha order, but that's not debootstrap's problem...
[05:51] <Kamion> might be nice to sort those lists
[05:51] <elmo> argh
[05:51] <elmo> Kamion: why doesn't debman cache?
[05:52] <Kamion> elmo: it's too stupid
[05:52] <Kamion> :-)
[05:52] <Kamion> wow, somebody other than me uses debman
[05:53] <Mithrandir> what's debman?
[05:53] <Kamion> # debman - read a man page from an uninstalled Debian package file (.deb)
[05:53] <Kamion> elmo: what are you using it on?
[05:54] <Treenaks> Kamion: BaseSeed!
[05:54] <elmo> Kamion: how do you mean?  I'm trying to read a bunch of postfix manpages (and not have to trash my exim4 install), if you mean what os/distro, hoary
[05:55] <Kamion> elmo: ah, was just wondering why performance was a problem, ok
[05:55] <Kamion> file a bug on debian-goodies, cc me?
[05:55] <elmo> sure
[05:55] <elmo> bugzilla or debbugs?
[05:55] <Kamion> debbugs
[05:55] <elmo> k
[05:56] <Kamion> (do we have debian-goodies in Ubuntu?)
[05:56] <Kamion> wow, we do
[05:56] <Kamion> cool
[05:59] <mxpxpod> wow, the foot menu looks way different
[06:01] <Kamion> Setting up ntpdate (4.2.0a-11ubuntu2) ...
[06:01] <Kamion> I: Configuring ntpdate...
[06:01] <Kamion>  * Synchronizing clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.org...
[06:01] <Kamion>  *ror : Servname not supported for ai_socktype                           [fail] 
[06:02] <Kamion> can we make ntpdate not do anything when it's being debootstrapped?
[06:02] <mjg59> Why does it give *ror ?
[06:02] <Kamion> because /lib/lsb/init-functions is on crack
[06:03] <mjg59> Ah
[06:03] <Kamion> it overwrites the error in an awkward way; we were talking about ways to fix that the other day
[06:03] <Kamion> hi Mark
[06:03] <sabdf1> hi all
[06:04] <Kamion> we are currently in the hothouse (literally) known as the laptop BOF
[06:04] <sabdf1> master garrett conducting from afar?
[06:05] <Kamion> lamont_r: why did passwd need to be added to hoary.buildd's required?
[06:05] <Kamion> lamont_r: and can we add libunwind7 and libunwind7-dev only on ia64?
[06:05] <Kamion> sabdf1: on call in case of emergency or confusion :-)
[06:06] <mjg59> Hello
[06:06] <mjg59> Is there a better channel for this?
[06:06] <sabdf1> is it a hothouse because you havent got lifeless' hoverbook in stealth mode yet?
[06:06] <Kamion> this seems about right
[06:07] <Kamion> sabdf1: too many people and too little AC, I think; opening the windows caused fun arctic winds :-)
[06:07] <Kamion> I think lifeless' hoverbook needs to engage submarine mode, that would be funnier
[06:08] <mjg59> sabdf1: Though the hoverbook /does/ now have working ACPI...
[06:08] <sabdf1> nice
[06:08] <lamont_r> libunwind7{,-dev} only exist on ia6
[06:08] <lamont_r> 4
[06:08] <Kamion> let's install them only there then
[06:08] <lamont_r> passwd is a dep of something... second
[06:09] <fabbione> that cpu is pure crap
[06:09] <elmo> CPU DEATHMATCH
[06:09] <lamont_r> bash Depends: passwd
[06:09] <lamont_r> have a nice day
[06:09] <Kamion> lamont_r: d'oh
[06:09] <Kamion> lamont_r: ok
[06:10] <fabbione> elmo: even my slow sparc running buildd in parallel was faster to build the kernel (no ccache on both of them)
[06:12] <jdub> i blame the projector for the hothouse
[06:12] <jdub> and the AC not really appearing to be on
[06:14] <elmo> fabbione: IIRC ia64 builds like 20x the amount of drivers sparc does
[06:14] <elmo> but yeah, they're not great, esp. for the $$
[06:14] <Mithrandir> and they do VLIW, which is painful
[06:15] <elmo> oh, yeah, gcc sucks for ia64
[06:16] <Mithrandir> it's also a hard problem
[06:16] <seb128> elmo, are some of the GNOME packages in NEW ? I've added -dbg to gnome-panel, gnome-applets, nautilus
[06:18] <elmo> 9.8M    nautilus-dbg_2.9.1-0ubuntu3_powerpc.deb
[06:18] <fabbione> elmo: ok... but we are not talking like 1 hour difference.. we are above 5 HOURS difference
[06:19] <Kamion> lamont_r: debootstrap for ia64 uploaded, HAND
[06:19] <elmo> 9.3M    gnome-applets-dbg_2.9.2-0ubuntu4_powerpc.deb
[06:19] <elmo> oh, yeah, and ia64 builds 4 variants?
[06:19] <seb128> elmo, pointing the size ? I know, but Jeff said you talked about it and that's ok for a few packages
[06:19] <Kamion> aj: 0.2.45ubuntu10 there for you now too
[06:19] <fabbione> elmo: yes. sparc64 2
[06:19] <elmo> seb128: one sec, I'm just going to come and pour some coke over jeff
[06:20] <Kamion> seb128: can't you use the binutils support for separated debug sections?
[06:20] <jdub> seb is going to harm me for this
[06:20] <azeem> elmo: I wanted to add an 'elmo is going to love me for this' to my -dbg-proposal on ubuntu-devel, but then refrained
[06:21] <Kamion> rather than building a completely new -dbg variant?
[06:21] <jdub> seb128: i thought we were going to check the sizes with elmo before uploading?
[06:21] <seb128> jdub, you said to do applets/panel/control-center/nautilus and to check what to do with the other ones latter
[06:22] <seb128> or I misunderstood
[06:22] <seb128> Kamion, -dbg are just the symboles stripped by dh_strip
[06:23] <seb128> Kamion, that's not the right way to do that ?
[06:23] <Kamion> seb128: ah, you're already using dh_strip --dbg-package?
[06:23] <seb128> yes
[06:23] <Kamion> ok, good
[06:23] <Kamion> yeah, that uses the binutils feature
[06:26] <kylem> heh, i don't know how you guys managed it, but ubuntu doesn't want to network on my x30. :)
[06:39] <Kamion> fabbione: can you confirm what the ia64 -itanium-smp kernel package is going to be called?
[06:40] <fabbione> Kamion: Package: linux-image-2.6.9-1-itanium-smp
[06:40] <fabbione> given that i didn't miss anything
[06:40] <fabbione> it is still building
[06:40] <fabbione> :(
[06:40] <Kamion> fabbione: ok, good
[06:40] <fabbione> ahahaha
[06:40] <fabbione> Keybuk: i am already smp :P
[06:46] <aj> Kamion: typical!
[06:46] <Mithrandir> this is so bad.
[06:47] <Mithrandir> when building swig, it invokes chicken-config in some cracky way.
[06:47] <Mithrandir> so it spits the help message back.
[06:50] <elmo>    * The "please do not create new packages using debmake" release,
[06:50] <elmo>      also known as "this is the beginning of the end".
[06:50] <Mithrandir> of debmake?
[06:57] <thom> rockity rock
[07:06] <azeem> mjg59: so, for an IBM R51, PMTestingResults seem to be 'yes', 'yes', 'yes'
[07:06] <mjg59> azeem: Rock
[07:06] <azeem> mjg59: however, I did the testing on unstable
[07:06] <azeem> after porting your stuff
[07:09] <fabbione> Kamion: if you need: p.u.c/~fabbione/sparc
[07:14] <eruin> what's going on with nautilus/burner?
[07:15] <kylem> what are the odds of a hoary netinstall working for me?
[07:15] <eruin> let's give it a 90%
[07:16] <daniels> kylem: wfm
[07:16] <kylem> ok. because i'm suitably enraged that warty wouldn't...
[07:19] <eruin> whoa. is the new meny layout I'm getting on the last dist-upgrade a concious decision?
[07:19] <eruin> ie things like the computer menu now being "actions", while settings, the menu with synaptic in it, etc has been moved to the applications menu?
[07:19] <azeem> eruin: there was discussion about this on ubuntu-devel
[07:20] <eruin> yeah, what I've read/heard of it didn't seem to illustrate the changes I now see
[07:22] <azeem> eruin: I thought the conclusion was to drop the Ubuntu patches for now and introduce gnome-menu
[07:22] <Kamion> eruin: it's temporary
[07:22] <eruin> yeah, it's no big deal, just wondering ;) - I thought gnome was slightly leaning towards apps | places | system ?
[07:24] <eruin> I guess I haven't been following this closely enough
[07:34] <lamont_r> and yet I have somewhat of an idea of what's going on...
[07:38] <kylem> blargh. your nautilus is fudged. sigh.
[07:46] <kylem> ah, needed universe. *slap*
[07:48] <eruin> btw, any of you have an idea if gtk-filechooser is planned for either the firefox package or the firefox-gnome-support pkg?
[07:48] <kylem> or not. son of a bitch.
[07:49] <eruin> I've seen it in fedora, but no anywhere else, and I've seen you guys are actively tracking any fancy fedora patches... is it a part of firefox or is it a manual patch?
[07:49] <eruin> probably the wrong place to ask that last question ;)
[07:51] <eruin> in any case, shouldn't ubuntu-desktop depend on packages such as firefox-gnome, openoffice.org-gtk-gnome?
[07:54] <fabbione> meaning within this evening
[07:54] <fabbione> ops
[07:55] <Kamion> eruin: we haven't put those into the desktop seed yet; they're proposals at the moment, I think at least mozilla-firefox-gnome-support was accepted so it should be there soon
[07:57] <eruin> ok, thanks for clearing that up :)
[08:05] <Kamion> lamont_r,fabbione: new debian-installer crack uploaded for you both; ia64 and sparc may or may not work now
[08:08] <trulux> lamont, i will work with Ubuntu soon ;-)
[08:08] <fabbione> Kamion: cool!
[08:08] <trulux> (as soon as the installer ends)
[08:09] <fabbione> Kamion: i will give it a try later this night or tomorrow
[08:13] <thom> FEH
[08:14] <lamont_r> Kamion: thanks
[08:15] <lamont_r> interestingly, causing /etc/dev.d/default/unmount.dev to not do anything if $DEVNAME is empty seems to make the unmount-the-world go away
[08:16] <Treenaks> lamont_r: and does it affect anything else?
[08:16] <Treenaks> lamont_r: like, for example, unmounting when it's needed?
[08:17] <lamont_r> doesn't seem to
[08:17] <lamont_r> umount -l results in an error exit when there are no arguments...
[08:18] <daniels> net/core/pktgen.c:603: warning: right shift count >= width of type
[08:18] <daniels> net/core/pktgen.c:603: warning: passing arg 1 of `__div64_32' from incompatible pointer type
[08:18] <daniels> i am filled with so much confidence
[08:21] <seb128> hum
[08:22] <seb128> I've added libnautilus-extension1 and libnautilus-extension-dev to nautilus ... can somebody promote them to main ?
[08:22] <seb128> (nautilus-cd-burner need them to build)
[08:23] <Treenaks> seb128: ah so YOU broke that :P
[08:23] <seb128> I broke nothing
[08:23] <seb128> upstreams did :p
[08:23] <Treenaks> seb128: stupid upstream gnomes
[08:24] <seb128> ah ah
[08:24] <thom> yeah, damn them and their fishing rods
[08:25] <fabbione> GET THE CRACK!
[08:25] <fabbione> 2.6.9-2 is up
[08:26] <zul> fabbione: whats new?
[08:27] <lamont_r> Kamion: if glibc weren
[08:28] <lamont_r> t ftbfs on ia64, it'd work.
[08:28] <thom> hey, my kernel has leet printing every file it opens crack
[08:29] <Kamion> lamont_r: haha
[08:29] <fabbione> zul: a security fix for amd64, a bunch of bug fixes and ia64 support
[08:29] <fabbione> i am off for food :-)
[08:29] <fabbione> later
[08:37] <daniels> thom: i hope your /var is large
[08:41] <jdub> azeem: ping?
[08:42] <mvo> jdub: can you send me your sources.list file please?
[08:43] <Kamion> elmo: can you 'chmod g+w /home/warthogs/archives/ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds/seeds--hoary/seeds--hoary--0/patch-48' on chinstrap please?
[08:43] <elmo> TLA CRACK
[08:43] <Kamion> no idea how that happened, your umask seems right ...
[08:44] <Clint> easier to use setfacl -d
[08:44] <Kamion> cjwatson@chinstrap:~$ type setfacl
[08:44] <Kamion> -bash: type: setfacl: not found
[08:44] <elmo> done
[08:44] <Clint> that's one reason not to use it
[08:44] <Kamion> elmo: thanks
[09:27] <eruin> http://appelsinjuice.org/bug.txt
[09:27] <eruin> anything like that even worth submitting?
[09:27] <eruin> something*
[09:29] <eruin> I have no idea what could be causing this (though I'd bet it's the xorg-ish updates or udev/hal), and cedega isn't exactly opensource...
[10:37] <trulux> lamont, i'm having trouble configuring Ubuntu
[10:37] <trulux> no nvidia module for my card in XFree
[10:43] <trulux> doko, ping
[10:51] <trulux> lamont, are you there?
[10:57] <trulux> hey tseng
[11:22] <jon1012> hi everybody
[11:22] <jon1012> hi
[11:22] <jon1012> is there someone who is working on gnome-panel here ? :/
[11:23] <jon1012> completly brokenthe release of today on hoary :(
[11:24] <jon1012> just to know if I could work on it...
[11:24] <jon1012> or if someone is already working on it :/
[11:24] <jon1012> (and also I don't know how to submit my work if I decide to try to fix it)
[11:25] <mjg59> Grah. Stuff is appearing as /dev/ub and udev isn't making device nodes.
[11:26] <jon1012> arg :/
[11:26] <jon1012> (MAKEDEV ?)
[11:26] <jon1012> (lol)
[11:27] <jon1012> someone working on gnome here ?
[11:30] <jon1012> hi
[11:30] <sid77> hi
[11:32] <jon1012> do you know someone who work on gnome on ubuntu ?
[11:35] <jdub> pants off
[11:36] <jon1012> :|
[11:36] <jon1012> hi
[11:37] <seb128> hey hey hey jdub 
[11:37] <jdub> seb128: you're well fed? :)
[11:38] <jon1012> ofor the logs if someone reads :/ if you have informations about the gnome-menu and gnome-panel 2.9.2 being broken please email me at jonathan.schemoul@gmail.com thanks :)
[11:38] <seb128> jdub,  yep, the dinner was fine (some tapas) !
[11:38] <seb128> jdub, and you ?
[11:40] <jdub> we had spanish chinese
[11:40] <jdub> jon1012: 'broken'?
[11:41] <seb128> there is some difference between chinese in differents countries ?
[11:41] <jon1012> yup... the menu is rgoing really weird :/
[11:41] <jdub> seb128: well, they served olives at the start ;)
[11:41] <jon1012> everything is going on the applications menus, and all the translations have been reseted to english
[11:41] <seb128> jdub, ah ah
[11:41] <seb128> jon1012, that's normal
[11:41] <jon1012> why ?
[11:41] <jon1012> :/
[11:41] <seb128> jon1012, hoary is a devel branche and this has been discussed on the ubuntu-devel list
[11:42] <seb128> read the list for details
[11:42] <jon1012> lol I'm not and this list
[11:42] <jon1012> how can I read it ? :p
[11:42] <seb128> and don't use a devel branch if you don't want get changes
[11:42] <seb128> lists.ubuntu.com
[11:42] <jon1012> (and also I want to start helping with the develop. of hoary, how can I do to enroll ? lol)
[11:42] <jon1012> (I'm a C and C# developer)
[11:42] <seb128> subscribe to the devel list first :)
[11:43] <seb128> jdub, BTW libnautilus-extension1 and libnautilus-extension-dev need some main love, you can do this ?
[11:43] <jdub> seb128: if nautilus builds them and depends on them, they'll just shift to main with some elmo interaction
[11:43] <jdub> seb128: they don't need to be in the seed
[11:44] <seb128> ok
[11:44] <seb128> nautilus-cd-burning is ftbfsing for the moment
[11:44] <seb128> just need to wait in elmo so
[11:45] <jon1012> lol, but I was saying is that the places menu disapearred
[11:45] <jon1012> and now there is Actions (like in fedora or standard gnome)
[11:45] <jdub> jon1012: yeah, known issue -> see ubuntu-devel list :)
[11:45] <jon1012> lool
[11:45] <jon1012> ok
[11:47] <jon1012> (is there a way to search in the archives of the mailing list ?)
[11:48] <seb128> lists.ubuntu.com
[11:48] <jon1012> lol yes I'm on it
[11:48] <seb128> the thread about this is on the archive of december of ubuntu-devel
[11:48] <seb128> should be easy to find
[11:48] <jon1012> ok :)
[11:56] <jon1012> humpf I think that I will simply put all the menu files from the .deb of warty directly on my filesystem :/
[11:56] <jon1012> (and the french localisation since in this release there isn't french :/)
[11:57] <jon1012> only the /etc/xdg so, and the messages in french for gnome menus
[11:57] <jon1012> do you think that it can work without fucking up the things more than they are ? :)
[11:58] <seb128> you can fix anything in hoary
[11:58] <seb128> the gnomevfs method to do old menu has been dropped
[11:59] <seb128> so you need to hack gnomevfs or to revert it
[11:59] <seb128> so to downgrade a lot of stuff
[11:59] <seb128> better to reinstall a warty system if you go in this way
[11:59] <seb128> jon1012, hoary is not a release but a devel branche