[12:02] <AndyR> HrdwrBoB, cheers
[12:03] <hays> is ubuntu all compiled for 386?
[12:05] <hwm> thanks!  that was too easy.
[12:06] <Nick_Jacked> hays, there is an x86_64 bit version and a PPC version available.
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> .. yes
[12:07] <sluDGe^_^> hello everyone!
[12:07] <sluDGe^_^> has anyone tried installing x.org from hoary's repository?
[12:08] <gen> many people
[12:08] <sluDGe^_^> is it ok to upgrade that way?
[12:08] <hays> Nick_Jacked, wow, nothing in between? heh
[12:09] <farruinn> I want to change my wm in gnome, but if I do will I still be able to apply themes and whatnot through the Theme desktop preference?  Is there anything I should watch out for?
[12:09] <Nick_Jacked> hays, ya no embedded Ubuntu or Ubuntu_ia64 yet.......
[12:10] <Nick_Jacked> Nor an Ubuntu_Cray.... :-)
[12:10] <hays> I was thinking an Ubuntu athlon and Ubuntu pentium2 or something :)
[12:10] <sluDGe^_^> anyways, see ya
[12:10] <Nick_Jacked> hays, the i386 version will work fine, though just today I installed on a P2 300 w/ 64 MB Ram. It sucked. Slow as a dog!
[12:11] <jcole> Nick_Jacked: apt-get install xfce4
[12:12] <hays> Nick_Jacked, yeah... well :)
[12:12] <hays> I kinda think the gentoo users have half a point... its worth it to compile for architecture at least
[12:13] <Nick_Jacked> hays, I'd recommend Athlon or P3 at 700+. jcole, agreeded, yet OOo took 2.5 minutes to load. I realize xfce4, Abiword, and Gnumeric would work great, it would be nice if the installer realized the cpu and mem and offered xfce instead of GNOME.
[12:13] <HrdwrBoB> abiword has most of the normal functionality of OOo
[12:13] <HrdwrBoB> and about 10x the speed
[12:14] <Nick_Jacked> HrdwrBoB, and great tools that OOo doesn't offer....
[12:14] <AndyR> im using a dell laptop here p2/266 with 128mb and it runs fine
[12:15] <Nick_Jacked> AndyR, The jump in RAM from 64 to 128 is what allows that probably....
[12:15] <Nick_Jacked> I don't have any old RAM around to test that though......
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> hays: not really
[12:15] <jcole> open office is the opensource newcomer and hasn't been refined yet, just as abiword and gnumeric have...
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> hays: you'll find the overall difference is usually... not more than standard variance
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> jcole: it's not exactly new
[12:16] <Nick_Jacked> Ya, StarOffice 5.2 ROCKED!!! :-)
[12:17] <AndyR> OO.o is a bit slow starting granted
[12:17] <hays> HrdwrBoB, then why do those CPU companies spend so much money developing new instructions?
[12:17] <jcole> HrdwrBoB: not exactly new is still new, just take a look at how long netscape mozilla took to be refined after it was open sourced...
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> jcole: true but abiword is getting better than OOo writer, coming fomr the opposite direction
[12:18] <jcole> HrdwrBoB: plus, sun only lets a few "outsiders" modify the code...
[12:18] <hays> I've never been a huge fan of ooo
[12:19] <hays> Gnumeric pretty much kicks its ass and so does abiword
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> hays: most of those improvements are kernel level
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> hays: if you run an athlon 64 with a 64 bit kernel and an entirely 32 bit userspace you can see MASSIVE improvements
[12:19] <hays> definately kernel is the most important
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> there is no need whatsoever to compile everything with crazy 'extensions' and 'accelerations'
[12:20] <hays> but there are programs like mplayer and encoders that it makes a difference
[12:20] <HrdwrBoB> yes of course
[12:20] <HrdwrBoB> however.... even in ubuntu and other distros
[12:20] <HrdwrBoB> you download an optimised mplayer
[12:20] <Hikaru79> Holy crap... :|
[12:20] <HrdwrBoB> the people that make distributions aren't stupid
[12:20] <jcole> HrdwrBoB: if one thinks copy and pasting between apps is important, the only thing that gnumeric and abiword lack is ole
[12:21] <Hikaru79> I was following a HOWTO on the Ubuntu forums
[12:21] <Hikaru79> And did 'sudo apt-get install kernel-686'
[12:21] <Hikaru79> It did it's stuff fine
[12:21] <Hikaru79> I restarted
[12:21] <Hikaru79> And now... I'm stuck on 640x480 resolution >>
[12:21] <insomny> hi all !
[12:21] <Hikaru79> And can't set it any higher in 'Computer -> Screen Resolution'
[12:21] <Hikaru79> This is... not good >>
[12:22] <Hikaru79> I *do* have nvidia driver installed (at least I did before getting the new kernel)
[12:22] <Nexinarus> mine always resets to 640x480 for some reason heh
[12:22] <Hikaru79> Any ideas? x-X
[12:22] <Nick_Jacked> Hikaru79, what video card?
[12:22] <Hikaru79> nvidia geforce 2 m
[12:22] <Hikaru79> *mx
[12:22] <Hikaru79> It's been working fine on ubuntu for months until I upgraded kernel a second ago
[12:22] <Nick_Jacked> Did you have the NVIDIA driver installed before, or just using the default nv?
[12:23] <Hikaru79> I had it before
[12:23] <hays> HrdwrBoB, do you have a 64 bit machine?
[12:23] <Hikaru79> I used Synaptic to get NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver
[12:23] <jcole> HrdwrBoB: if i make a distribution, will i be smart? ;P
[12:23] <Hikaru79> And when I boot ubuntu, it still shows me that "NVIDIA" logo before launching gdm
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> hays: not personally
[12:23] <tm17h> Synaptic is giving me a dpkg error that the database is locked. A quick ps aux | grep -e 'apt\|dpkg' returns nothing but synaptic itself. Any idea why it's being reported locked?
[12:24] <HaRDaWaY> x.org support official ati radeon drivers? (fglrx)
[12:24] <Nick_Jacked> Hikaru79, hum, I just am not yet familiar enough yet with Ubuntu to know for sure. Sorry.
[12:24] <Hikaru79> x_x Gah
[12:24] <insomny> I wanted to know something please ? I've installed my radeon 8500 driver, made the modif in /etc/modules to load fglrx and it's still MESA driver that is loaded. I looked into var/logs/ and there's no error message about radeon driver... anyone knows about my problem please ?
[12:24] <Nick_Jacked> Hikaru79, in Fedora you'd need to download and install a new module for the kernel version, but it seems not the case on Ubuntu.
[12:25] <walter> hello
[12:26] <mjr> insomny, no, but I'd like to take this opportunity to make sure you know that the free DRI drivers (included with Ubuntu) do support the 8500 as well, if you don't get the fglrx working
[12:26] <walter> anyone know how to put other files in my applications?
[12:26] <hays> HrdwrBoB, I've wondered how much difference it makes...  almost bought a new computer to do the whole upgrade shuffle through the house
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> hays: a whole lot :)
[12:26] <mirak> is it possible that hotplug can lead to a system crash ?
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> mirak: entirely possible
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> unlikely
[12:27] <mirak> I had a crash when switching on a printer
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> but yes
[12:27] <personman> can anyone tell me what driver to use with a lexmark z715?
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> personman I have a lexmark disposable printer
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> I used it with vmware until it ran out of ink
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> and I bought a new one
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> that was supported :)
[12:28] <robertj> I wonder if the i845 will ever be composite/render accelerated.
[12:28] <hays> ebay is a decent place for printers if you are careful
[12:29] <hays> I've an old hp4p I use
[12:29] <insomny> mjr : yep but my GL is slow !!!  very very slow !!!
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> hays: yeah older postscript printers
[12:29] <L`WldRbit> in ubuntu how hard is it or recommended to use development sources of the kernel (the bleeding edge versions?)
[12:29] <hays> well cups is so nice these days ps isn't even necessary as much as it used to be with lpr
[12:30] <insomny> mjr : I tried tux racer to see and it was so slow in the menu that I didn't tried the game
[12:30] <hays> L`WldRbit, why would it be any harder than other distros other than gentoo where they package a bunch of them for ya
[12:30] <mjr> insomny, it may be that for some reason DRI isn't enabled when you use the free ati driver; check the X server log for details
[12:30] <mjr> insomny, ok, then I'm sure that it wasn't enabled
[12:30] <hays> I should try tux racer
[12:30] <L`WldRbit> hays, no I'm just saying, in ubuntu is it recommended to not switch kernels ?
[12:31] <L`WldRbit> is there any diffrent assosciations with it ?
[12:31] <insomny> mjr : okay, but where do I find some notifications about that ?
[12:31] <insomny> mjr : hum it's not the notification but what should I find in fact...
[12:32] <hays> L`WldRbit, I would be surprised if any such recommendation existed
[12:32] <mjr> insomny, /var/log/XFree86.0.log (note that installing fglrx might've made it so that not much useful info is available there for the purpose of DRI debugging, I don't really know...)
[12:32] <hays> except in general that bleeding edge kernels can cause problems..
[12:32] <L`WldRbit> hays, yes me too, I just don't know what I was thinking
[12:33] <swab_> does anyone know how i can stop hotplug from automounting my ipod when i plug it in?
[12:33] <AndyR> bbiab, booting new kernel
[12:33] <insomny> mjr : yep, I know but what kind of error should I find ? about what or what kind of words ?
[12:33] <L`WldRbit> but what about servers, is it more problem in ubuntu than others to run a home apache, ftp and icecast servers ?
[12:33] <insomny> mjr : sorry to question you so much but I'm n00b ^^
[12:33] <mjr> insomny, grep -i dr[mi] 
[12:33] <StevenR> just out of curiosity, how long between ordering cd's and recieving them?
[12:33] <mjr> (that is, dri and drm are keyword to search for, capitalized or not)
[12:34] <hays> L`WldRbit, your questions reveal a general lack of linux knowledge
[12:34] <hays> and are starting to suggest you are a warez kiddie
[12:34] <swab_> StevenR: i got my CDs last week.. ordered just before warty was released
[12:34] <Marble2> where is the default firefox install in ubuntu?
[12:34] <Marble2> located
[12:35] <StevenR> swab_: how long do you reckon between ordering and getting?
[12:35] <swab_> StevenR: Six weeks maybe
[12:35] <StevenR> ok, so some time in jan for me then
[12:35] <StevenR> thanks for the answer swab_
[12:35] <L`WldRbit> hays, no they don't
[12:36] <L`WldRbit> the ftp is for local (lan) usage, http for my development of xhtml+php
[12:36] <swab_> Marble2: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[12:36] <L`WldRbit> and icecast for my weekly radioshows
[12:36] <StevenR> could i get an install of ubuntu on 2gb disk?
[12:36] <L`WldRbit> hays, the thing is I'm icelandic and I find it hard to say my exact meanings in english questions
[12:36] <StevenR> and what's the default boot manager?
[12:37] <swab_> StevenR: You need 1.8G to install...
[12:37] <StevenR> swab_: cool, will get it all in then
[12:37] <swab_> StevenR: Yes, but room for nothing else
[12:37] <hays> L`WldRbit, well, I would say that ubuntu is probably a good distro since like any distro if you need something outside what is offered, you can build it yourself.
[12:37] <StevenR> swab_: the 2gb disk is only for experimentation/testbed
[12:38] <swab_> So does anyone know how I can stop hotplug from automounting usb drives?
[12:38] <L`WldRbit> exactly
[12:38] <Marble2> thanks swab_
[12:38] <Nick_Jacked> StevenR, swab_, Having only 200MB of space is an issue for apt-get, and there is no room for the cache....
[12:38] <StevenR> Nick_Jacked: i prolly wont be apt-getting anything mcuh
[12:38] <StevenR> *much
[12:39] <StevenR> i can select to install less stuff during install cant i?
[12:39] <swab_> StevenR: The CDs you ordered come with live CDs also
[12:39] <StevenR> swab_: but i like to install distros, so i can play around and break 'em good and proper so i know how they work
[12:40] <swab_> StevenR: Apparently you can do a custom install with 350MB
[12:40] <StevenR> cool
[12:42] <StevenR> what is the default ubuntu kernel?
[12:43] <swab_> StevenR: 2.6.8.1
[12:43] <StevenR> does that support forcedeth for nforce2 motherboards?
[12:43] <swab_> I have no idea.
[12:43] <StevenR> i still use 2.4.x kernels here
[12:44] <StevenR> 2.6.will be a new experience
[12:44] <swab_> Ubuntu is my first linux distro...
[12:44] <_Ribs_> is 2.4 supported it, odds are that 2.6 will
[12:44] <_Ribs_> if*
[12:44] <StevenR> cool thanks Ribs, swab_
[12:46] <ploum> Hi
[12:46] <KING^^^> The Application "totem" has quit unexpectedly.
[12:46] <KING^^^> why ?
[12:46] <Ribs> 'cos it sucks
[12:46] <Ribs> Are you trying to play mp3s on it?
[12:46] <Ribs> 'cos it doesn't like that at all
[12:46] <KING^^^> no
[12:46] <KING^^^> mp3s i play with XMMS
[12:46] <KING^^^> so ... what do i do now
[12:46] <KING^^^> i wanna see a movie
[12:46] <swab_> mplayer
[12:46] <Ribs> tried totem-xine ?
[12:46] <ploum> I want that Gnome-cd play the CD directly on my audio card, but now the default is to play through alsa. How can I change this ?
[12:47] <KING^^^> but is totem-xine
[12:47] <KING^^^> i think
[12:49] <L`WldRbit> are there any servers that are included with the default ubuntu distrobution/setup ??
[12:50] <tm17h> L`WldRbit: what do you mean by default and what do you mean by server? It's certainly easy enough to install apache (webserver), and openssh-server and an ftp server -- but I don't believe any of those are installed by default.
[12:50] <AndyR> ubuntu kernel installs are cool
[12:51] <KING^^^> An error occured
[12:51] <KING^^^> The audio device is busy. Is another application using it?
[12:51] <KING^^^> this is in totem
[12:51] <KING^^^> what i do now ?
[12:51] <swab_> Install mplayer
[12:51] <swab_> there is a howto in the forums
[12:52] <KING^^^> what another application ? because i don;t use another application
[12:52] <swab_> i never got totem to work
[12:52] <AndyR> any ideas if there is an easy way to run a alsa config tool to setup sound?
[12:53] <L`WldRbit> tm17h, do I have to build it myself or is there any package-sort-of program that installs it for me ?
[12:54] <KING^^^> how do i remove totem ? apt-get remove totem ?
[12:55] <tm17h> L`WldRbit: There are packages -- ubuntu uses debian's excellent package management. You can access it via aptitude for a curses (terminal) interface, or you can use Synaptic for a nice graphical interface.
[12:55] <swab_> i would just leave it installed because if you remove it, it also removed the ubuntu desktop meta package
[12:56] <tm17h> L`WldRbit: Synaptic is available under the Computer->System Configuration->Synaptic Package Manager.  Aptitude is available by opening a terminal and typing sudo aptitude
[12:57] <KING^^^> Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
[12:57] <KING^^^> 3DNow supported but disabled
[12:57] <KING^^^> 3DNowExt supported but disabled
[12:57] <KING^^^> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
[12:57] <KING^^^> Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2
[12:57] <KING^^^> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[12:57] <KING^^^> Illegal instruction
[12:57] <KING^^^> what i do now ? why doesn't he starts ?
[12:58] <L`WldRbit> tm17h, thanks alot for the info, but I'm still on the thinking about chaning period
[12:58] <swab_> KING^^^: Did you compile mplayer yourself?
[12:58] <KING^^^> no swab_
[12:59] <swab_> KING^^^: Go to the forums, look for the multimedia howto...
[12:59] <swab_> it tells you every step for installing mplayer
[12:59] <silc0> Hi Everyone, quick question. I'm using Warty on an AMD64 box. Its a brand new install. For some reason, I cannot mount the floppy drive at all. The Floppy device doesnt seem to be present. I have a /dev/fd/0 directory, however trying to mount it fails with a "mount: /dev/fd/0 is not a block device." Any ideas?
[01:00] <KING^^^> forums ? what forums ?
[01:00] <KING^^^> on witch site ?
[01:00] <swab_> KING^^^: www.ubuntuforums.org
[01:02] <KING^^^> i can't find howto
[01:02] <KING^^^> grrr
[01:03] <swab_> KING^^^: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=multimedia+howto
[01:03] <kbrooks> brb
[01:10] <sls> hey
[01:10] <sls> how do we add buddy icons... to gaim?
[01:10] <silc0> In case anyone was wondering, I had to modprobe floppy. Sheesh I should have got that, guess I cant see the forest through the trees :)
[01:10] <sls> the little pictuer on the left...
[01:11] <silc0> sls, in your account setup window
[01:11] <silc0> click modify to change your settings
[01:11] <silc0> you will be able to browse for a buddy icon there
[01:15] <mjg59> Rock
[01:15] <Ribs> heh
[01:16] <tritium> Hi.  Are there currently any issues dist-upgrading from Warty to Hoary?
[01:16] <chet> tritium, is it documented anywhere on how to do it?
[01:16] <tritium> chet, yes, a few simple notes on the wiki
[01:17] <tritium> I'm just wondering if there are any problems not mentioned on the wiki
[01:17] <TankC> Hey all
[01:17] <chet> tritium, you have the link handy/.
[01:18] <tritium> Is there a way to just add Hoary repositories to my sources.list and then do "apt-get -t hoary ..."?
[01:18] <chet> ok
[01:18] <tritium> chet, one sec
[01:18] <tritium> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[01:18] <tritium> two links on that page
[01:18] <tritium> GuideToHoary and HoaryUpgradeNotes
[01:19] <chet> thnks!
[01:19] <tritium> sure
[01:19] <tritium> Anybody know how if apt-get understands the "target release" -t flag in ubuntu>?
[01:22] <tolle> How can i remove stuff from the bootupprocedure?
[01:22] <tolle> not by removing the file in /etc/init.d, but just make them not run them on boot
[01:23] <tolle> removing the executable permission on them works, buts its a bit of a semiugly hack to get around it.
[01:24] <conejoquick> saco
[01:24] <scizzo> tolle: man update-rc.d
[01:24] <scizzo> tolle: :)
[01:24] <RuffianSoldier> HAH!
[01:24] <RuffianSoldier> POTATO_DEAD!
[01:24] <tolle> scizzo: thanks, i didnt remember the name of the app to do it. So thanks
[01:25] <scizzo> tolle: np
[01:27] <robertj> offtopic: anyone in here know what could cause a heat pump to "huff and puff" and cool your house down during winter?
[01:29] <chet> anyone install mplayer firefox plugin?
[01:29] <ermo> what, exactly, is the reason to have both the wiki and the forums? Do they serve different purposes?
[01:29] <Marble2> hm, anyone know where my firefox profile is located in linux?
[01:30] <Hikaru79> Yes. The wiki can serve as more of a general-purpose documentation resource. The forum is more of a Q+A tech support session
[01:30] <Hikaru79> Very different
[01:30] <scizzo> Marble2: _your_ profile is in ~/.mozilla/firefox/
[01:30] <chet> id like firefox to be able to play internet radio, is mplayer documented?
[01:31] <chet> i searched synaptic, but didnt see it
[01:31] <scizzo> Marble2: the place that is used by all users on the system is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/
[01:31] <scizzo> chet: look at the wiki
[01:31] <scizzo> chet: RestrictedCodecs or something
[01:31] <chet> ok
[01:31] <Gwildor> restrictedformats ??
[01:31] <ermo> Hikaru79, hmm. What about the mailing lists? Don't they serve the same purpose as the forums? Or am I completely off?
[01:32] <ermo> Hikaru79, I guess my question really is: How does the information flow from one resource to the other?
[01:32] <scizzo> ermo: it all depends
[01:33] <scizzo> ermo: The wiki is there so that anyone can actually add answers to questions that exists....or create a small site on their own....
[01:33] <scizzo> ermo: sort of like doing your own website but using a wiki that everyone can do thingys in
[01:34] <Hikaru79> Mailing lists are mostly for the dev team to report changes and stuff
[01:34] <ermo> I'm just curious, that's all. It seems to me that community knowledge (questions, tips etc) should be unified somehow...
[01:34] <ermo> Hikaru79, ok. Thought so.
[01:34] <Hikaru79> As for information flow, Wiki should be like a giant repository for information, while the forum is like a quick resource to ask questions that you cannot/refuse to find on the Wiki.
[01:34] <Hikaru79> They're complementary media, imo ^^ ;
[01:35] <ermo> Hikaru79, well said. You have satisfied my curiosity :)
[01:35] <Hikaru79> :)
[01:36] <ermo> Hikaru79, for instance, the gentoo forums have 'stickies' and FAQs. I'd think that they'd really belong on the wiki site?
[01:36] <ermo> in ubuntu, I mean?
[01:37] <Hikaru79> Right; important information that should be easily found and well-organized should be in the Wiki
[01:38] <ermo> Is this 'policy'? Or are we the users (and potential contributors) expected to understand this at the outset?
[01:39] <Hikaru79> ermo : No; just that whoever feels information is important, they can go and add it to the wiki
[01:40] <ermo> Hikaru79, so there is no other 'moderation process' per se?
[01:41] <Hikaru79> Nope.
[01:41] <Hikaru79> That would be detrimental to the whole idea behind a Wiki
[01:41] <ermo> Yes, I suspected you'd point that out ;)
[01:41] <Hikaru79> :P
[01:41] <ermo> Hikaru79, but does this hold for the forums, too?
[01:41] <Hikaru79> Everyone's heard it all before. But hey
[01:41] <Hikaru79> If it's true :)
[01:42] <usual> how do I install grub to MBR from a live CD, I had to install XP after linux and it took over MBR
[01:42] <Hikaru79> Not sure how strict moderation is on forums; at least, I've seen lots of redundant, repetitive questions being answered patiently for the umpteenth time there too. So I suppose the same ideals apply everwhere :)
[01:42] <Hikaru79> Remember the Ubuntu motto
[01:43] <ermo> Hikaru79, yeah. It just still seems to be a bit inefficient. Oh well. Thanks for suffering my inquiry ;)
[01:44] <potato_head> usual, something to do with grub-install. Careful though...
[01:44] <usual> potato_head, grub-install doesn't work
[01:44] <freddy__> hi - just installed ubunto on harddrive but X is not running. I have a mash64 Rage video card. How do I reconfigure the x to the right driver?
[01:44] <usual> /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda
[01:44] <usual> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[01:44] <usual> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[01:45] <ermo> freddy__, tried X -configure?
[01:46] <freddy__> no - so it is 'sudo X -configure' in ubunto 'speak', right ?
[01:46] <potato_head> usual: maybe you have to tell grub explicitly which partition /boot is on?
[01:46] <ermo> freddy__, sure, if you prefer not to be root.
[01:47] <freddy__> ermo: but I have not made a root account !! (never tried that before)
[01:47] <ermo> freddy__, oh. Well. If I'm not mistaken, the root account is always there...
[01:47] <ermo> freddy__, 'but that's the subject of another lesson'
[01:48] <ermo> freddy__, sudo X -configure sounds right. Try that.
[01:48] <freddy__> ermo: he he ok - now I'll go for the X - do u know what driver to use for mash 64 rage xl ?
[01:49] <ermo> freddy__, I'd check dri.sourceforge.net
[01:49] <ermo> freddy__, can't remember it off the top of my head.
[01:49] <fargon> What's the directory for the homepage, after I install apache2?
[01:49] <ermo> freddy__, and for the record, I think it's called 'mach64' ;)
[01:49] <freddy__> ermo: thanks :)
[01:50] <ermo> freddy__, *gloomy voice* don't thank me just yet...
[01:51] <ermo> freddy__, http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CategoryHardware
[01:52] <usual> potato_head, got it
[01:52] <ermo> freddy__, any luck?
[01:52] <usual> potato_head, I had to mount hda3 and chroot it
[01:52] <potato_head> usual: ah-ha
[01:53] <potato_head> usual: did grub see your XP partition okay?
[01:54] <usual> potato_head, yea, it was already setup to...I just had to replace grub in the mbr
[01:56] <ermo> freddy__, I'd try with the 'ati' driver
[01:57] <AndyR> nite ppl
[01:58] <ELSprime> hello - all
[01:59] <ELSprime> I guess Ubuntu will not play regular DVDs "out of the box", eh?
[02:02] <fargon> ELSprime, check out the multimedia howto at the forums
[02:04] <freddy__> what is a ps2 mouse called in XFConfig: ps2, ps-2, ps/2 or what?
[02:05] <Hikaru79> Later, KING^^^
[02:05] <Hikaru79> :)
[02:05] <KING^^^> :))
[02:05] <KING^^^> bye
[02:07] <freddy__> seems it was ps/2... now what is the proper place for the mouse... /dev/mouse is nt it..?
[02:07] <__romulo__> can you help me with this: How can I set the refresh rate?
[02:10] <__romulo__> For installing Nvidia Video Drivers, should I use Apt or just download them at nvidia's site?
[02:10] <RuffianSoldier> thoreaputic, you have been selected
[02:11] <RuffianSoldier> Hikaru79, you have been selected
[02:11] <Hikaru79> =O
[02:11] <Hikaru79> For?
[02:11] <Hikaru79> A million dollars? :D
[02:12] <RuffianSoldier> join #beatrix to find out!
[02:12] <Hikaru79> >_>
[02:12] <Hikaru79> Hm
[02:12] <jazzka> hi!
[02:12] <__romulo__> How can I set Monitor refresh rate under Ubuntu Linux? Do I need to update monitor/VideoBoard Drivers?
[02:12] <jazzka> can I install rpm packages in ubuntu?
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> RuffianSoldier: please don't
[02:13] <Hikaru79> jazzka, yes. Use 'alien --to-deb *package name*'
[02:13] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[02:13] <Hikaru79> __romulo__, I'd like to know too!!
[02:13] <abah> hi all,
[02:14] <abah> how can i set for gdm to allow root login from desktop/gui?
[02:14] <far_away> abah, search at the forums
[02:15] <abah> ok thanks
[02:15] <abah> ubuntulinux.org/forum?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: I think alien defaults to creating a deb on debian based distros
[02:16] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: so the --to-deb isn't necessary
[02:16] <Hikaru79> Oh =O Cool!
[02:18] <__romulo__> Is there any easy way to install nvidia drivers, just like apt
[02:21] <Marble2> in x-chat, how do I set it to if someone has + or @, it shows  up next to their name
[02:22] <abah> as normal user.. i access to root id (su -) .. but i cannot execute any application.. it give me cannot open display.. why?
[02:22] <mdke> Marble2, its on by default i believe
[02:23] <mdke> Marble2, no on has visible ops in this channel
[02:23] <abah> i already export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 but still cannot
[02:28] <Marble2> mdke: I know
[02:28] <Marble2> but like on other networks
[02:29] <smo> It'll show green/blue/yellow "dots" for @/%/+ respectively.  I don't recall ever seeing an option to change or disable that
[02:35] <robertj> is there a way to make tool-pallet menus not show up on the task list for alt+tab?
[02:36] <GotD0t> in /dev/ what is the default sound device?
[02:37] <MobyTurbo> GotD0t, /dev/dsp
[02:37] <GotD0t> MobyTurbo: LIAR!... hehe... it doesn't exist
[02:38] <MobyTurbo> GotD0t, then use MAKEDEV to create it; it not existing though means its not being detected by udev.
[02:39] <GotD0t> MobyTurbo: still doesn't exist
[02:39] <MobyTurbo> GotD0t, you tried to make it with MAKEDEV?
[02:39] <GotD0t> MobyTurbo: i just did that
[02:39] <MobyTurbo> cd /dev; sudo ./MAKEDEV dsp
[02:40] <GotD0t> MobyTurbo: i know... im not an idiot... it still doesn't come up
[02:40] <GotD0t> MobyTurbo: i've done it twice... would you like a third?
[02:40] <MobyTurbo> GotD0t, I don't know what the problem is then.
[02:41] <crimsun> GotD0t: it depends what sound system you're using
[02:41] <GotD0t> crimsun: its an audigy 1, pci
[02:42] <crimsun> GotD0t: if you're using alsa, the default is /dev/sound/pcmC0D0p, but you don't write to that; you write to "default" and alsa-lib takes care of the rest
[02:43] <crimsun> GotD0t: if you're using oss or alsa's oss emulation, the default is /dev/dsp
[02:43] <GotD0t> crimsun: you mean /dev/snd
[02:43] <crimsun> does udev use /dev/snd or /dev/sound?
[02:43] <crimsun> ubuntu's udev, that is
[02:43] <GotD0t> well sound doesnt exist... and snd does
[02:43] <crimsun> then I suppose it's snd
[02:44] <crimsun> (which coincides with not using devfs or udev)
[02:44] <GotD0t> so if an app is looking for a sound device at /dev/dsp, i make a link to ... /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p?
[02:44] <crimsun> no, you make sure /dev/dsp exists and another application isn't blocking it
[02:45] <GotD0t> /dev/dsp doesn't exist...
[02:45] <Marble2> say I'm downloading an rpm and they don't have an ubuntu version, which version should I get?
[02:45] <Marble2> debian?
[02:45] <crimsun> Marble2: of what app?
[02:45] <Marble2> glibc
[02:45] <MobyTurbo> Marble2, Debian and Ubuntu don't use RPM, they use Debs, usually fetched by apt-get.
[02:45] <crimsun> Marble2: huh? you have libc6 already.
[02:45] <kensai> Marble2, debian should make it.
[02:45] <crimsun> Marble2: your system won't function without a C library
[02:46] <MobyTurbo> Marble2, you can, however, use alien to install rpms.
[02:46] <Marble2> how do i use apt-get?
[02:46] <crimsun> GotD0t: lsmod|grep snd_pcm_oss|wc -l
[02:46] <Marble2> i'm trying to install java 1.5
[02:46] <Marble2> and it says it needs glibc
[02:46] <GotD0t> crimsun: i use alsa
[02:46] <crimsun> Marble2: you have libc6 already installed...
[02:46] <MobyTurbo> Marble2, you already have glibc, else you wouldn't be typing to us.
[02:46] <crimsun> Marble2: there are helpful hints on the wiki for Java
[02:47] <crimsun> GotD0t: what is the output of that command?
[02:47] <GotD0t> crimsun: 0
[02:47] <Marble2> what do I do with a .deb?
[02:47] <crimsun> GotD0t: sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[02:48] <GotD0t> crimsun: now its for
[02:48] <MobyTurbo> Marble2, except in rare cases, you don't deal with the debs seperately. Instead you use apt-get or synaptic (the latter is the GUI version) to install applications from a repository.
[02:48] <GotD0t> crimsun: err... four
[02:48] <Marble2> i'm confused
[02:49] <IRCUser04> hi
[02:49] <IRCUser04> can i use windows xp bootloader to run ubuntu?
[02:49] <DmD> hello, I have a question about a wireless NIC..
[02:49] <MobyTurbo> to install a deb seperately, use dpkg. dpkg -i. However, most of the time you use apt-get or synaptic to fetch the package, with all its dependencies, and install it.
[02:49] <Marble2> MobyTurbo: say I want to install JRE 1.5, what would be the easiest way for me?
[02:50] <Marble2> i've tried using an rpm
[02:50] <IRCUser04> i have problem with grub on my system
[02:50] <Marble2> that gives me
[02:50] <Marble2> error: failed dependencies:
[02:50] <Marble2>      glibc >= 2.1.2-11 is needed by jre-1.5.0-fcs
[02:50] <Marble2>      sh-utils >= 2.0-1 is needed by jre-1.5.0-fcs
[02:50] <Marble2>      fileutils >= 4.0-8 is needed by jre-1.5.0-fcs
[02:50] <Marble2>      gawk >= 3.0.4-1 is needed by jre-1.5.0-fcs
[02:50] <MobyTurbo> Marble2, check out the advice on the wiki and do the one you understand best.
[02:50] <Marble2>      textutils >= 2.0-2 is needed by jre-1.5.0-fcs
[02:50] <Marble2>      /bin/sh   is needed by jre-1.5.0-fcs
[02:50] <IRCUser04> for whatever reason
[02:50] <Marble2>      /bin/sh   is needed by jre-1.5.0-fcs
[02:50] <Marble2>      /bin/sh   is needed by jre-1.5.0-fcs
[02:50] <IRCUser04> stop flooding
[02:50] <Marble2> which wiki?
[02:50] <MobyTurbo> Marble2, /topic
[02:50] <DmD> will the D-Link DWL-520 Wireless NIC card work with Ubuntu?
[02:50] <Nivlem> Anyone used make-jpkg to convert the java binary over to PPC? I tried it and it dies...
[02:52] <DmD> will the D-Link DWL-520 Wireless NIC card work with Ubuntu?
[02:52] <Nivlem> Kind of a problem since Sun in their infinite wisdom only provides a i586 version of the .bin file...
[02:52] <CoD-VX> Hey all, I just ordered some UBUNTU cds for my mac and pc, any idea how long i will be waiting?
[02:52] <crimsun> GotD0t: and now run whatever application you were trying to run
[02:53] <Nivlem> DmD: Maybe
[02:53] <IRCUser04> hi all
[02:53] <MobyTurbo> CoD-VX, I think mine took about a month.
[02:53] <GotD0t> thanks crimsun
[02:53] <DmD> I checked on the Ubuntu website and I see the 520+ version works
[02:53] <IRCUser04> can i use the default windows xp bootloader for linux?
[02:53] <crimsun> GotD0t: np
[02:53] <DmD> but I have just the 520 model
[02:53] <IRCUser04> or do i have to use grub/lilo
[02:53] <GotD0t> IRCUser04: no.. and if you could why would you want to
[02:53] <IRCUser04> gotd0t:  So u have to use grub + lilo?
[02:54] <Nivlem> DmD: Shouldn't matter unless it uses a different chipset than the + model
[02:54] <IRCUser04> gotd0t:  Grub messed up my boot partition and mbr
[02:54] <GotD0t> IRCUser04: or some other one compatable with linux
[02:54] <GotD0t> IRCUser04: how so?
[02:54] <IRCUser04> it just did
[02:54] <IRCUser04> when i installed several distros
[02:54] <GotD0t> well how is it messed up?
[02:54] <IRCUser04> i fixed it
[02:54] <IRCUser04> but now i dont have linux <Grin>
[02:54] <DmD> Nivlem:  I just installed Ubuntu on my desktop and I'm not able to get online, would you be able to help me configure it?
[02:55] <Nivlem> DmD: Sorry never done it..
[02:55] <Nivlem> DmD: R U dual booting?
[02:55] <rattboi> I compiled a new kernel (2.6.9) but I don't know how initrd works
[02:56] <hays> is ubuntu faster at releasing than debian?
[02:56] <DmD> nope, just installed Linux, no Windows on this machine
[02:56] <DmD> 80 gb' sof free space :D
[02:56] <hays> and is it BSD or RC style init?
[02:56] <abah> rattboi, use lilo or grub?
[02:56] <rattboi> grub
[02:56] <Nivlem> DmD: Let me take a look and see how involved it is..
[02:56] <Marble2> by default does ubuntu come with a c compiler
[02:56] <Marble2> ?
[02:56] <Nivlem> It is on the wiki?
[02:57] <DmD> alright, thanks
[02:57] <DmD> just the 520+
[02:57] <DmD> I didn't see the one I got
[02:57] <rattboi> abah: I was trying to add bootsplash patch, but actually went with fbsplash instead
[02:57] <DmD> i've used Linux for awhile but I'm new to Ubuntu
[02:57] <Nivlem> DmD: I got that part already...let me check
[02:57] <DmD> alright
[02:57] <rattboi> abah: the kernel config was basically the same, except for 1 little thing, but I think the initrd is screwed
[02:58] <Nivlem> DmD: Where on Ubuntu site..I checked the HOWTO and it doesn't have anything about configuring it..just drops to firmware info
[02:59] <abah> rattboi, are use using mkinitrd to freate it?
[02:59] <robertj> mmm, Thin Geramik is a really nice theme
[02:59] <DmD> I searched for it on google and that wiki site came up
[02:59] <MobyTurbo> Marble2, apt-get install build-essential for C and C++
[02:59] <rattboi> abah: I didn't use that to make it, but I'll try it
[02:59] <Nivlem> DmD: And how is it you are chatting on IRC if you don't have internet?
[02:59] <hays> damn no ubuntu 586
[02:59] <DmD> I'm on my laptop
[03:00] <DmD> which is wireless
[03:00] <rattboi> abah, I didn't know about mkinitrd
[03:00] <Nivlem> Ok well use it to find the information on how to setup Ubuntu and follow the directions
[03:01] <mdke> noooooooooooo omg pls help disaster has struck: my ipod is not mounting.
[03:01] <Hikaru79> =O
[03:02] <Marble2> mobyturbo: does it come with glib?
[03:02] <mdke> i really need to fix this before tomorrow morning, as I'm going abroad and won't have internet access. Someone pls help me out :)
[03:02] <IRCUser04> what is Ubuntu Pocketbook ?
[03:02] <IRCUser04> i see it on the goals for hoary
[03:03] <mdke> Dec  7 02:01:27 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev uba, sector 6
[03:03] <mdke> Dec  7 02:01:27 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev uba, sector 0
[03:03] <mdke> what is uba?
[03:03] <crimsun> Marble2: if you use Ubuntu, you already have glib
[03:04] <Marble2> checking for glib-config... no
[03:04] <Marble2> checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.2... no
[03:04] <tommie_> is it normal for azureus to eat all my free memory?
[03:04] <Marble2> configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[03:04] <Hikaru79> tommie_, it's written in Java, so yes :P
[03:04] <tommie_> haha, =)
[03:04] <mhlandry> linux allocates all free memory
[03:04] <Marble2> tommie, upgrade to the latest java version
[03:04] <scoon> Hikaru79: no, wrong
[03:04] <ReX_> Marble2, sudo apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev
[03:04] <Marble2> thanks
[03:04] <crimsun> Marble2: libglib1.2-dev
[03:05] <Hikaru79> scoon, I was joking ;) I'm a java programmer myself, actually
[03:05] <Marble2> how do I view all the packages I can get through apt-get
[03:05] <crimsun> (unless it explicitly asks for GTK 1.2, too)
[03:05] <Marble2> and what is apt-get, like up2date?
[03:05] <Hikaru79> --- [Hikaru79]  #java #beatrix #linuxhelp #ubuntu
[03:05] <scoon> Hikaru79, whew, i am as well, and sun certified to boot.
[03:05] <Hikaru79> Sun-certified? =)
[03:05] <Hikaru79> I'll get there one day ;)
[03:06] <scoon> Hikaru79, it is a good thing, i think ;)
[03:06] <Hikaru79> Of course it is
[03:08] <tommie_> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_06-b03)
[03:08] <Marble2> gar, how do I search for a file?
[03:08] <tommie_> i've the latest, no/ i'm sure it won't really make much of difference if i was using an older version though
[03:08] <Marble2> no, 1.5 is the latest
[03:09] <tommie_> ohhhh, how come they don't have it on their page? :(
[03:09] <Marble2> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/
[03:09] <tommie_> thank you
[03:09] <DmD> would anybody be able to help me get my wireeless NIC to work on my desktop?
[03:09] <DmD> I got a D-Link DWL-520
[03:10] <scoon> DmD, any luck with google ?
[03:10] <DmD> not really
[03:10] <DmD> it brought up the wiki page and the only version I saw on there was 520+
[03:11] <scoon> DmD, http://home.columbus.rr.com/andrewbarr/linux/dwl520e1.html
[03:11] <DmD>  i'm checking on Dlink's website to see if they have drivers for the 520+
[03:11] <DmD> no drivers ..
[03:11] <scoon> DmD, use lspci -v and see if the chipset matches that one from that link.
[03:11] <scoon> DmD, or even if that link could help you .
[03:12] <Marble2> gar, how do I search for a file?
[03:13] <scoon> Hikaru79, ever look at java-gnome ?
[03:13] <scoon> it is pretty cool
[03:14] <DmD> alright
[03:14] <DmD> yeahh I was reading it a little bit
[03:15] <DmD> it found it
[03:15] <DmD> D-link System DWL-520 Wireless PCI Adapter, Rev E1
[03:16] <DmD> Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)
[03:16] <DmD> so should I do that HostIP thing?
[03:17] <DmD> AP even
[03:17] <Marble2> what's a good media player for linux?
[03:17] <crimsun> totem-xine, mplayer, ...
[03:17] <DmD> I do iwconfig and it says..
[03:18] <DmD> lo - no wireless extensions, also for eth1 and sit0
[03:18] <scoon> DmD, you need to make certain you have the correct module loaded for that
[03:19] <scoon> DmD, or else even doing ifconfig wlan0 up will not work
[03:19] <DmD> how do I do that :p
[03:19] <scoon> DmD, read over that guide.
[03:20] <scoon> DmD, do some other google searches for your card.
[03:21] <scoon> DmD, lspci -v will give you the chipset of the card.
[03:21] <scoon> DmD, sorry to say there is prolly NOT and easy way to deal w/ it.
[03:21] <hays> hrmm...  mandrake has kinda gone the way of redhat with support eh
[03:22] <hays> i.e. you must pay
[03:23] <Hikaru79> scoon, java-gnome?
[03:23] <scoon> Hikaru79, the gnome bindings for java.
[03:24] <DmD> 0000:00:0b.0 - is that the chipset?
[03:24] <Hikaru79> Cool. Had never heard of it till now
[03:24] <Hikaru79> I'll give it a look
[03:24] <scoon> Hikaru79, it is nice to be able to use glade to lay out GUIs
[03:24] <Hikaru79> Not in the hoary repository, it seems o_O
[03:25] <scoon> Hikaru79, no it is not
[03:25] <sulkd> it's in the universe tho
[03:26] <scoon> DmD, no
[03:26] <sulkd> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[03:26] <sulkd> +++-[03:26] <sulkd> ii  glade-gnome-2  2.6.7-1        GTK+ 2 User Interface Builder (with GNOME 2
[03:27] <Hikaru79> sulkd, is it?
[03:28] <Quest-Master> What language do you guys mainly code in?
[03:28] <scoon> Hikaru79, http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/bin/view
[03:28] <Quest-Master> *languages
[03:29] <Hikaru79> brb, restart
[03:30] <__romulo__> can you tell me how to set the refresh rate under linux?
[03:30] <sulkd> yeah.. glade is in the repos, just search for glade-gnome with Synaptic
[03:30] <MobyTurbo> __romulo__, dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-server and choose "advanced" if the selections in medium aren't the best for your monitor and you know (from your monitor's manual) your monitor's specs.
[03:31] <__romulo__> tx MobyTurbo
[03:31] <scoon> sulkd, but we are discussing java-gnome
[03:31] <sulkd> oh.. sorry
[03:31] <scoon> sulkd, i use glade to layout my gui's with java-gnome
[03:32] <__romulo__> didnt worked
[03:32] <sulkd> I use C++ :P
[03:32] <sulkd> so I just use glade and glade--
[03:32] <scoon> sulkd, i use glade for java as well.
[03:33] <__romulo__> isnt it "-configure"?
[03:33] <MobyTurbo> __romulo__, well, without knowing your monitor's specs I can't give better advice than that. If you don't have your monitor's manual perhaps google can help you find it on the web.
[03:33] <scoon> sulkd, quite frankly it is the best gui layer-outter there is ;)
[03:33] <MobyTurbo> dpkg-reconfigure
[03:33] <MobyTurbo> it runs through the debconf questions for any installed package.
[03:33] <__romulo__> I know it supports >100Hz refresh under windows
[03:34] <sulkd> scoon, best one I've used, atleast
[03:34] <scoon> sulkd, well i have used a couple other ones and glade wins
[03:34] <usual> is the inotify enabled kernel somewhere in hoary?
[03:34] <usual> I saw on the wiki it was added
[03:34] <MobyTurbo> __romulo__, I get 85Hz here, which is my monitor's maximum. It should work for any monitor if the specs are given to it.
[03:35] <__romulo__> isn't there any program that can discover that specs, nbor any web database?
[03:36] <MobyTurbo> __romulo__, its specs could be online somewhere. Google is your friend.
[03:36] <__romulo__> is dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-server correct? it says the package is not instaled
[03:36] <MobyTurbo> __romulo__, actually some Linux hardware detection can figure it out, but most of those programs are either propritary or too non-portable for Debian.
[03:38] <MobyTurbo> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Sorry.
[03:38] <__romulo__> tx
[03:39] <__romulo__> videocard bus id? How can I know that?
[03:40] <MobyTurbo> Leave it as the default if possible
[03:40] <__romulo__> ok
[03:40] <MobyTurbo> you do know what to put in for the horizontal and vertical sync ranges now, right? If not you won't be helping yourself probably.
[03:42] <tommie_> so, ati support for x.org this christmas i heard? :)
[03:43] <__romulo__> is there any way to discover what is my keyboard layout?
[03:43] <__romulo__> my keyboard is Brazilian ABNT2
[03:44] <MobyTurbo> I don't know about that...
[03:48] <scoon> __romulo__, lspci -v
[03:50] <__romulo__> WELL, LET ME TRY
[03:50] <__romulo__> restarting x
[03:52] <geppy> Am I the only one who's aspell doesn't recognize "guage?"
[03:53] <__learner__> tx
[03:53] <__learner__> it worked
[03:53] <__learner__> Tx a lot
[03:53] <MobyTurbo> you're __romulo__?
[03:53] <__learner__> I just need to figure how to install firefox 1.0
[03:53] <__learner__> yes
[03:54] <__learner__> sorry, I've changed my client
[03:54] <MobyTurbo> __learner__, wait a second and I'll give you a backport of 1.0 to warty URL for you.
[03:54] <__romulo__> but my nick is really learner
[03:54] <geppy> learner: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/012158.html
[03:54] <__learner__> people of this channel is very nice.
[03:54] <__learner__> Helped me a lot
[03:54] <MobyTurbo> __learner__, http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ut8g/
[03:55] <MobyTurbo> __learner__, is the page with the instructions for adding ff 1.0 to apt-get for warty.
[03:55] <__learner__> tx
[03:55] <mojo> hi every1
[03:55] <mojo> I need some help here
[03:56] <mojo> how can I change the default open program for a specific mimetype? (I click on the properties of the file, but I cannot remove "OpenOffice .." entry there - are there anyway?)
[03:57] <geppy> I don't think that you can remove excess entries, but simply adding a new one should do the trick.
[03:57] <mojo> b/c here, I have 2 duplicated entries
[03:57] <mojo> I just want to remove 1
[03:57] <mojo> are there any files contain the infO?
[04:00] <__learner__> tx again.
[04:00] <sls> ok ... now i have tried a couple of things with samba...
[04:00] <__learner__> I managed to add that packages to apt, but how can I actually install them.
[04:00] <sls> i used the smbmount command to mount a  share
[04:00] <sls> and using conqueror
[04:01] <sls> sorry nautilus
[04:01] <sls> and ist connecte and i can browse the contents etc...
[04:01] <moquist> sound problems.  logging in and out plays the Ubuntu sounds, Music Player can play music with no problem.  ogg123 tells me "Error: Cannot open device oss".  If I try to run ogg123 with "-d alsa09" it just hangs until I kill -9 it.
[04:01] <geppy> try 'killall esd'?
[04:01] <moquist> I also tried 'mpd', which also hangs until I kill -9 it.
[04:01] <moquist> geppy: will try...
[04:01] <geppy> k
[04:01] <sls> BUT the file permissions do not work on the mounted device
[04:02] <sls> does any one know why?
[04:02] <sls> permissions are ok in nautilus... but not in teh mounted device
[04:02] <moquist> geppy: esd it is.  I didn't know ubuntu used esd - but that explains why nothing else could get to the sound device.  Thanks.
[04:02] <geppy> moquist:  No problem.  =)
[04:04] <moquist> geppy: do you know what starts esd on boot?  it's not obviously in /etc/init.d/...
[04:04] <geppy> moquist:  GDM, I believe.
[04:04] <geppy> moquist: I'm an idiot, though.  =)
[04:04] <__learner__> great, it is downloading
[04:04] <moquist> geppy: I checked the gdm.conf file, but didn't find it.  will keep looking.
[04:04] <__learner__> do you know how can I add brazilian portuguese language support to firefox?
[04:05] <geppy> moquist:  Good luck.  :)
[04:05] <moquist> geppy: ahhh, I'm an idiot.  I should've looked at the process *tree* before I killed it.
[04:07] <mojo> are there anway to change the default program entries to open a specific mime-type?
[04:08] <mojo> please help me,
[04:08] <mojo> are there anway to change the default program entries to open a specific mime-type?
[04:08] <smo> mojo: system-wide, they're registered (claimed?) by various .desktop files under /usr/share/applications/  .. I don't know if there's a cleaner way than simply editing the MimeType lines in those  (other than just removing the app you don't wish to use)
[04:10] <bronson_> mojo: on your system only?
[04:10] <mojo> yeah
[04:10] <bronson_> Doesn't "open with..." allow you to set it?
[04:10] <mojo> I have 2 same open program in the entry
[04:10] <mojo> now I just want to remove 1
[04:10] <bronson_> OH.
[04:10] <bronson_> I get it.
[04:10] <mojo> but it not allow me to do that
[04:10] <quake> I wish ati's drivers are gonna get better because I look forward to buy one
[04:11] <mojo> I have 2 "Open Office Writer" entries
[04:11] <bronson_> Yeah, I don't know of any good way of getting rid of one.
[04:11] <bronson_> That's really weird.
[04:11] <mojo> the Remove button is disabled
[04:11] <boodle> hi all... I'm new to ubuntu (just installed ;) and use debian-sid regularly... are there different feeds for ubuntu similar to debian..? (e.g. an unstable feed I can bleed on)
[04:11] <bronson_> You might file a bug about this.
[04:11] <bronson_> boodle: yes, check the faq.
[04:12] <bronson_> there's universe and multiverse.
[04:12] <boodle> bronson_, will do, thanks
[04:12] <geppy> universe and multiverse are not like unstable;  hoary is.
[04:12] <bronson_> er, sorry.
[04:12] <bronson_> right.
[04:12] <geppy> =)
[04:12] <bronson_> hoary==unstable, multiverse==contrib
[04:12] <boodle> ok
[04:13] <boodle> would you consider hoary as stable as debian-unstable?
[04:13] <bronson_> Yes.
[04:13] <boodle> cool. thanks
[04:13] <bronson_> Better in my experience so far.
[04:13] <boodle> excellent!
[04:13] <bronson_> No hair tearing yet.
[04:13] <bronson_> YET...
[04:13] <boodle> np ;)
[04:13] <bronson_> Can anyone using Hoary burn DVDs?
[04:14] <bronson_> nautilus-cd-burner just starts using 100% CPU and never seems to write (gave it 4 hours of 100% cpu before killing it)
[04:14] <bronson_> and nautilus appears to stomp on k3b somehow.
[04:14] <bronson_> Am I missing something?
[04:14] <bronson_> Or should I just kill off Nautilus and hal and dbus when I launch k3b?
[04:15] <geppy> nautilus-cd-burner sucks.  =(  k3b is the only KDE app that I use.  Have you tried xcdroast?
[04:15] <geppy> Wait, k3b crashes?
[04:15] <bronson_> No.  It gets corrupted.
[04:15] <geppy> I burn DVD's with k3b.
[04:15] <bronson_> I've coastered 4 discs.
[04:15] <geppy> Ouch.
[04:15] <bronson_> On Hoary?
[04:15] <bronson_> Worked on Warty for me.
[04:15] <boodle> bronson_, growisofs on the cmdline works easily for me
[04:15] <usual> can I build a kernel in ubuntu the same way I did in debian with kernel-package using the downloaded source package 2.6.9 and running make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg kernel-image
[04:15] <wasabi> usual, yes.
[04:15] <bronson_> I think new hal/nautilus volume management is stomping on it...
[04:15] <usual> :)
[04:15] <geppy> Oh, well, that was on Warty.  This is distressing;  I was just about to start backing up on DVD's tonight (I upgraded because I broke X in Warty)
[04:16] <bronson_> Well, I'm getting frustrated...
[04:16] <bronson_> But I could very easily be missing something.
[04:16] <bronson_> Or, maybe I just had 4 bad blanks in a row.  :)
[04:16] <geppy> haha :)
[04:16] <geppy> Do you have any RW's?
[04:16] <bronson_> no.
[04:16] <bronson_> Maybe I should ... for just such an occasion.
[04:17] <smo> I haven't managed to get sound working under warty, but the same card is detected by fedora flawlessly.  Is there anything in particular I can take notes from on fedora to help me get it running under ubuntu?  (besides lsmod .. they have the same list of snd-* modules loaded)
[04:17] <bronson_> boodle: do you have an example command line I can crib from?
[04:17] <bronson_> I'll give it a shot.
[04:18] <boodle> bronson: growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /some/file
[04:18] <bronson_> burns a single file to the disc?
[04:18] <bronson_> or will /some/dir work?
[04:18] <geppy> smo:  I have a friend whose sound worked fine on Fedora, but just _wouldn't_ work on Ubuntu.  He eventually gave up and went back to Windows.
[04:18] <boodle> joliet format, yes somedir is fine
[04:18] <geppy> smo:  I don't know what to say, I wasn't able to find out what was wrong.
[04:19] <geppy> Does anyone here use Muine?
[04:19] <bronson_> boodle: doesn't look too hard.  Thanks.
[04:19] <Hikaru79> What's the next higher resolution after 1024x768?
[04:19] <boodle> np
[04:19] <bronson_> geppy: I used to.
[04:19] <bronson_> Worked OK.
[04:19] <geppy> Hikaru: 1280x1024
[04:19] <bronson_> 1152x870
[04:20] <bronson_> technically.  :)
[04:20] <smo> geppy: maybe I should just start learning how to build rpms .. I'm trying to put together a mythtv box, so neither windows, nor a silent linux will help
[04:20] <Quest-Master> Most people move up to 1600x1200 after 1280x1024
[04:20] <Quest-Master> My monitor can't handle it though, hehe
[04:20] <Hikaru79> Thanks, guys :) Although your answerse aren't the same, lol
[04:20] <geppy> smo:  Yeah.  Building RPM's is an easy thing to pick up.  Would you like some links?
[04:20] <geppy> heh, sorry. : )
[04:20] <billytwowilly> smo, knoppmyth
[04:21] <billytwowilly> smo, mysettopbox.tv
[04:21] <billytwowilly> smo, #knoppmyth
[04:21] <geppy> smo:  if you want it, www.rpm.org/max-rpm/
[04:21] <smo> geppy: thanks
[04:22] <geppy> billytwowilly is right, though; knoppmyth is pretty cool.
[04:22] <lev> how do you get qt on ubuntu>
[04:22] <lev> i tried to use SPM but it said it was un-installable
[04:23] <billytwowilly> knoppmyth rocks. It's the best, fastest way to get a mythtv box up and running
[04:25] <geppy> boodle:  Good luck.  =)
[04:25] <boodle> anyone happen to know if x.org supports nvidia?
[04:25] <boodle> ok thanks
[04:26] <geppy> boodle:  It did under Fedora, I thought.  If I did apt-get dist-upgrade, is it a safe bet that I broke 3d acceleration?
[04:27] <__learner__> totem player is not working at all, I can't play any video.
[04:27] <__learner__> do you konw how to fix that? Or any other good media player for me to get?
[04:27] <geppy> learner:  Totem sucks.  Get mplayer.
[04:27] <boodle> geppy I'll find out :)
[04:27] <geppy> You'll probably either want to install it from source, or google for binaries.
[04:28] <geppy> boodle:  hahaha =)
[04:28] <__learner__> How can I get it?
[04:28] <geppy> learner:  hold on
[04:28] <boodle> since both in hoary, looks like no biggie to go back/forth
[04:28] <tm17h> __learner__: I believe if you enable multiverse, you'll be able to install it via synaptic.
[04:28] <geppy> learner:  http://www.bigphatawesome.org/etc/
[04:28] <lev> iron wolf you there?
[04:29] <geppy> boodle:  If you use that mplayer.sh, it _should_ install mplayer for you.  It worked fine for most of my friends.
[04:29] <geppy> tm17h: The mplayer in the multiverse is broken.  =(
[04:30] <boodle> www.apt-get.org for mplayer debs and other goodness
[04:30] <__learner__> What do you think is the best solution?
[04:31] <geppy> learner:  _I_ think that the source way is the best, but it's a matter or preference.  Both ways have their advantages.
[04:31] <bronson_> Oh great.
[04:31] <bronson_> mkisofs didn't follow the symlinks.  It burned them.
[04:32] <regeya> heh.  that sucks.
[04:32] <boodle> geppy, per nvidia's readme in their linux driver, it supports x.org just the same (sposedly)
[04:32] <bronson_> Lessee, that's 6 symlinks, perhaps the smallest amount of data burned to a DVD ever.
[04:32] <geppy> boodle:  That's what I thought.  I've never had a problem with it, for sure.  =)
[04:32] <geppy> bronson_:  hahaha
[04:33] <bronson_> On the bright side, it didn't get corrupted.
[04:33] <geppy> Yeah.
[04:34] <bronson_> s/mkisofs/growisofs/
[04:34] <__learner__> how can i get the source, and make it into the installed program?
[04:34] <smo> the only nvidia issue I noticed when I tried hoary, was a slightly different TwinView behaviour
[04:34] <geppy> learner:  http://www.bigphatawesome.org/etc/  The mplayer.sh will compile it from source for you.
[04:36] <regeya> wonder how long it'll take for jdong's sf backports repo to go through...
[04:37] <__learner__> tx
[04:37] <__learner__> but I will try it just tomorrow, I'm kinda sleepy
[04:37] <__learner__> good night (if it is night where you are!)
[04:38] <geppy> g'night!
[04:40] <the_grey_host> hello
[04:41] <the_grey_host> I was wondering how do I see a ntfs partition in ubuntu
[04:41] <the_grey_host> I cannot even find dev/hd0
[04:42] <the_grey_ghost> anyone out there?
[04:44] <geppy> Yes.
[04:44] <geppy> Sorry.
[04:45] <geppy>  /dev/hd0 is not valid.
[04:45] <geppy> Perhaps /dev/hda1 ?
[04:46] <geppy> I'm not sure if Ubuntu comes with NTFS read support, but you might want to 'sudo apt-get install libntfs5'
[04:46] <geppy> I don't have any Windows partitions, though, so I really don't know how to help you, unless you're just having trouble mounting.
[04:51] <jiyuu0> geppy, it does comes with ntfs support
[04:52] <geppy> Ah, cool.
[04:55] <RuffianSoldier> You silly JDahl
[04:56] <cholo> I installed Hoary a couple days ago and it seems nautilus isn't working, is this so? do I have to wait for it to get fixed, or is there anything I can do to fix it?
[04:56] <RuffianSoldier> install warty
[04:57] <geppy> RuffianSoldier is right.
[04:57] <RuffianSoldier> :-)
[04:57] <Gmail> look at this http://img62.exs.cx/img62/1053/k1zlogo.jpg sue m$ already
[04:57] <Gmail> look at it
[04:57] <cholo> RuffianSoldier: it's not bothering me too much, I'm using xfce4, but I want xorg -- and I like to be in the blinding edge too :P
[04:58] <Gmail> its a picture of msnm 7 and the ubuntu logo THERE USING OUR LOGO in diffrent colors thats all
[04:58] <geppy> gmail, it's a _circle_
[04:58] <geppy> I think that it has been used, before.
[04:59] <Gmail> geppy: its look just like ours
[04:59] <geppy> gmail, all circles look the same.
[05:00] <Gmail> geppy: ours is a circle of 3 people so is theres
[05:00] <RuffianSoldier> Gmail, hop on MONO and make a .net virus and upload it into MS Mainframe
[05:00] <Gmail> RuffianSoldier: already done
[05:00] <geppy> gmail:  Yeah, take MS out for stealing our damned circle.
[05:01] <Gmail> geppy: the head persions are even the same
[05:01] <geppy> Gmail:  It's a _circle_.  There's little room for variation.
[05:01] <geppy> Complaining about it on IRC isn't going to get anything done.
[05:03] <Gmail> geppy: every thing is the same beside the colors and the roundness of the heads
[05:03] <geppy> Right.
[05:03] <geppy> It's a circle.
[05:04] <geppy> heh
[05:04] <geppy> _right_
[05:05] <geppy> I'm just as anti-MS as anyone else in this channel, I'm sure;  but I'm not going to waste my time complaining about how they used a circle as their logo.
[05:05] <Gmail> geppy: no they USED THE SAME LOOKING CIRLE
[05:05] <Gmail> ooops caps lock
[05:06] <geppy> What other kind of circle are they going to use?
[05:06] <geppy> One with cool corners?
[05:06] <Gmail> geppy: at lest one where the heads are not in the same possition pixel by pixel
[05:06] <geppy> gmail:  Fine, sue them.  Try it.
[05:07] <Quest-Master> :o What logo?
[05:07] <Quest-Master> Link me
 look at this http://img62.exs.cx/img62/1053/k1zlogo.jpg sue m$ already
[05:08] <geppy> *sigh*
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> Gmail: ... get over i
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> t
[05:09] <Quest-Master> Holy.
[05:09] <geppy> *sigh*
[05:09] <Gmail> lol
[05:09] <Quest-Master> The resemblence is unbearable ;-; time to murder M$ :P
[05:11] <Quest-Master> That is almost identical except with changed colors.
[05:12] <Gmail> yes and fatter people
[05:13] <Gmail> heh the m$ circle is a bunch of fat americans
[05:13] <smo> if anything, drop it by the sounder list so cannonical actually notice.  ranting on IRC isn't going to solve a whole lot
[05:13] <Gmail> the ubuntu circle is 3 diffrent people from 3 diffrent places NOT FAT peopl
[05:13] <geppy> *sigh*
[05:13] <Gmail> smo: where is it?
[05:14] <smo> the same place as the rest of the lists?  lists.ubuntu.com  iirc
[05:27] <geppy> How do you get accented characters with a US character map on Linux?  I'm in flux.
[05:27] <geppy> (fluxbox)
[05:27] <g0d> is anyone having problems loggin in as root?
[05:27] <geppy> I need an "e" with an accent over it.
[05:27] <geppy> You can't.
[05:28] <geppy> Login as user, and use sudo.
[05:28] <geppy> Logging in as root is dumb, and so they've protected you by disabling it.
[05:28] <K-otiK> meh, not if you have to edit your system. but anyway i need to supply a password to use sudo right?
[05:29] <geppy> No, use your user password.
[05:29] <geppy> It is a dumb idea, if you have to "edit your system."  If you _need_ GUI tools for root, sudo for them.  Running X as root is a dumb idea, no matter why you're doing it.
[05:30] <K-otiK> Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[05:30] <_scp> I want to make sure I tell my friend the right thing: Was it libmikmod2 that I installed to make mp3s work in xmms?
[05:30] <Xenguy> geppy: are there any security concerns associated with the break from the traditional 'root' system?  Easier to escalate privileges for instance?  (Or is this a FAQ I should read? ;-)
[05:31] <K-otiK> i can't open programs through terminal if gives me that woarning
[05:31] <geppy> _scp:  that's to get it to work with nvidia dirvers
[05:31] <geppy> K-otiK: open them from the menu;  it'll ask for a password.
[05:31] <_scp> geppy, what was it then, I can't remember
[05:31] <K-otiK> yea, but for some reason my root password isn't working
[05:32] <geppy> _scp:  To make mp3s work?  Do they not work?
[05:32] <K-otiK> it denies me, however i can su - to root wit the same pass and it works fine
[05:32] <K-otiK> thats the problem
[05:32] <_scp> geppy, no, mine work, I just want to tell my friend what I installed to make them work, I can't rememebr
[05:32] <geppy> Xenguy:  As in, security concerns that are specific to this method of administration?  I'm sure that there are some; e.g. same password for user/root, but I think that they outweigh the disadvantages.
[05:32] <geppy> _scp:  I don't think that you have to install anything other than xmms.
[05:33] <K-otiK> it says this
[05:33] <K-otiK> Failed to run /usr/bin/ethereal as user root:
[05:33] <K-otiK>  Child terminated with 1 status
[05:33] <geppy> ijay
[05:33] <geppy> *okay
[05:33] <Xenguy> geppy: that's the main idea that came to my mind - anyway I'm sure this issue must be discussed on the FAQ somewhere. I'll have a look
[05:33] <_scp> geppy, AH... you are right... it was flac I had to do some stuff with to make it work in xmms
[05:33] <geppy> Xenguy:  It is.  =)
[05:33] <_scp> geppy, thanks for jarring my memory
[05:33] <geppy> _scp: Yeah, 'sudo apt-get install xmms-flac'
[05:34] <geppy> _scp:  heh, no problem.  =)
[05:34] <smo> K-otiK: "su -" requires root's password.  sudo and gksudo require the user's password.  entering root's password when it's expecting the user's will give you errors
[05:34] <K-otiK> ah shit smo thanks let me try
[05:35] <K-otiK> awesome but how is that secure? couldn't any user sudo into root with only his/her regular user id?
[05:35] <K-otiK> password*
[05:35] <smo> only the user(s) defined in /etc/sudoers
[05:35] <_scp> geppy, yeah, but I either had to enable universe or multiverse
[05:35] <smo> on ubuntu, that's the user you setup during install, and that user only
[05:36] <geppy> g'night, al
[05:36] <geppy> *all
[05:39] <funnylookinhat> Anyone here have a dell laptop that they got the wireless to work on??
[05:44] <Xenguy> geppy|asleep|: I read that material on the wiki; well at least one has the choice of creating a root user, if desired =)
[05:47] <tolstoy> It seems that all my settings, from my printer to Open Office, default to A4 paper.
[05:47] <tolstoy> I mean, I'm all for US Letter being dethroned.
[05:48] <tolstoy> But, um, is there a single place, somewhere, I can indicate that I use US Letter paper.
[05:48] <tolstoy> So I don't have to adjust every single program?
[05:48] <tolstoy> Is it a consequence of UTF-8 locale (hoary)?
[05:52] <stuNNed> man, ubuntu really doesn't like apm on this laptop for some reason
[05:55] <DeanG> I'm in need of a heirarchial gui file explorer.  Midnight Commander would also do just fine.  Suggestions and apt info?
[05:56] <funky> how can i add init script to my runlevel ?
[05:56] <funky> making manually the symlink ?
[05:57] <funky> or is there any script/app/
[05:57] <crimsun> DeanG: gentoo?
[05:59] <crimsun> DeanG: (e.g., sudo apt-get install gentoo)
[05:59] <crimsun> [it's in universe] 
[06:03] <crimsun> funky: man update-rc.d
[06:12] <stuNNed> any common errors soundcard not found on laptops?
[06:13] <RuffianSoldier> if an ISO has been broken down, and put into 20 RARs, how would I put it back together?
[06:14] <JDahl> RuffianSoldier, there is a version of unrar in multiverse that does it for you
[06:14] <RuffianSoldier> im in Win :-(
[06:14] <RuffianSoldier> :-(
[06:15] <stuNNed> snd_intel8x0 is 0 (unused) but ubuntu is loading the soundcard driver, system just isn't seeing it
[06:16] <crimsun> stuNNed: dell laptop?
[06:16] <JDahl> RuffianSoldier, then download an compile unrar... it's one C file
[06:16] <RuffianSoldier> C file?
[06:16] <crimsun> stuNNed: lsmod|grep snd_intel8x0m|wc -l
[06:16] <RuffianSoldier> compiling in windows?
[06:16] <JDahl> RuffianSoldier, yes...
[06:17] <RuffianSoldier> oh, hi lol
[06:17] <RuffianSoldier> your in my channel
[06:17] <stuNNed> crimsun, 0 but i did install hsf deb early on then upgraded to hoary
[06:17] <stuNNed> crimsun, and yes dell laptop sorry
[06:18] <crimsun> stuNNed: look in /proc/interrupts and ensure an irq is being assigned to your sound chipset
[06:18] <stuNNed> crimsun, roger
[06:18] <Seq> does anybody know why i might be missing some icons in the evolution toolbars (using hoary)
[06:19] <stuNNed> crimsun, only thing closely resembling is i8042 would that be it?
[06:19] <crimsun> stuNNed: nope
[06:19] <stuNNed> crimsun, ok, thanks! how to fix?
[06:19] <crimsun> stuNNed: and snd_intel8x0 is loaded, correct?
[06:20] <stuNNed> yes
[06:21] <stuNNed> crimsun, yes it is loaded
[06:21] <stuNNed> crimsun, could be installing hsf from the get-go cause this?
[06:21] <crimsun> stuNNed: I'm not familiar w/ "hsf"
[06:22] <stuNNed> crimsun, hsf linuxant modem drivers
[06:23] <crimsun> stuNNed: ah.
[06:23] <crimsun> stuNNed: I'd try and disable anything in bios you're not using, like a printer port (since you're already using the modem)
[06:27] <lev> How do i run a c++ file using g++?
[06:28] <crimsun> lev: do you mean compile a c++ program using g++?
[06:29] <lev> yea..
[06:29] <lev> well i want to compile and then be able to see the output..
[06:29] <stuNNed> crimsun, dell bios is usually pretty limited but looking into now thanks
[06:29] <lev> i am new to c++
[06:29] <lev> this is just a program that makes the average of three numbers..
[06:29] <lev> nothing special
[06:29] <lev> i just want to see it in action
[06:29] <crimsun> lev: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:30] <lev> now what
[06:30] <crimsun> lev: then the g++(1) man page has the basic syntax
[06:30] <lev> the what?
[06:30] <lev> :-\
[06:30] <crimsun> the commands and options you use
[06:30] <lev> how do i see it?.
[06:31] <crimsun> (e.g., `g++ -o some_executable your_source_code.cpp')
[06:31] <crimsun> man 1 g++
[06:34] <lev> i still dont get it.. :(
[06:34] <crimsun> lev: open a terminal and type: man 1 g++
[06:35] <lev> yea i got that far.
[06:35] <lev> man 1 g++
[06:35] <crimsun> ok, in a separate terminal, not here :)
[06:35] <crimsun> right above that command, I listed an example use of g++
[06:36] <lev> lol that was a typo..
[06:39] <stuNNed> crimsun, indeed.  you are the man.  i disabled as much as possible in bios and not soundcard is assigned an irq is it?  wonder why all of a sudden this needed to be done?  maybe because modem driver was properly installed?
[06:40] <crimsun> stuNNed: I've seen the error quite a few times with snd-intel8x0m being loaded, or an irq not being assigned, etc.
[06:41] <crimsun> stuNNed: seems to be a problem with that bios, but I'm not certain.
[06:41] <stuNNed> crimsun, this bios has multiple issues actually :)
[06:41] <stuNNed> crimsun, can't get apm working with it and ubuntu and acpi support is iffy at this point
[06:46] <trans_err> anyone know how I could script cadaver?
[06:46] <trans_err> I want to make a bash that uploads a file to a webdav...
[07:21] <eazel7> how can I change my default encoding from the iso to the unicode one?
[07:21] <eazel7> I'm using horay
[07:22] <eazel7> (updated from warty)
[07:22] <calc> its using utf8 here
[07:22] <housetier> eazel7 locale or xchat charset?
[07:22] <calc> oh did warty use iso instead of utf8?
[07:22] <eazel7> calc, di you download the horay cd?
[07:23] <calc> i installed using a hoary netinst (5mb) image
[07:23] <eazel7> housetier, locale
[07:23] <eazel7> calc, don't know where it is, please, send me the URL
[07:23] <housetier> eazel7 I do that with "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
[07:23] <eazel7> housetier, thanks
[07:23] <calc> eazel7: which arch?
[07:23] <calc> also you may need to edit /etc/environment
[07:24] <eazel7> i386, but using pppoe, don't know if that iso supports pppoe
[07:24] <calc> oh
[07:24] <eazel7> calc, I'll take a look to that file
[07:24] <calc> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-i386/20041118ubuntu6/images/netboot/
[07:24] <calc> i did a network install (not using pppoe) on my amd64 laptop and desktop
[07:24] <JackandJohn> ok, I need to know; how can I change vnc from port 5900 to 3389?
[07:24] <calc> so no idea if it supports pppoe or not
[07:25] <JackandJohn> pppoe is the devil
[07:25] <eazel7> calc, I'll take a look to it then
[07:25] <eazel7> JackandJohn, so you are...
[07:25] <calc> most home routers can do pppoe itself, might be useful to get one of them
[07:26] <eazel7> calc, most Argentinians doesn't have home routers ;)
[07:26] <calc> ok
[07:26] <JackandJohn> eazel7 - trying to use ubunu gui remotely through a corp firewall that allows winxp rdc
[07:26] <eazel7> JackandJohn, what?
[07:27] <eazel7> I'm a home user
[07:27] <JackandJohn> eazel7 - what question did you mean by "so you are..."
[07:27] <eazel7> JackandJohn, if pppoe is the devil, who are you?
[07:27] <JackandJohn> ahhh
[07:27] <splash> I have two questions. (1) I am trying Ubuntu for the first time.  I am already running Fedora core2 and XP on a dual boot with Grub.  I did not install grub with ubuntu because I didn't want to mess up the existing grub.  **Can someone tell me how or where to go to add ubuntu to my existing grub? (2) I saw that ubuntu could be loaded on an iPAQ and would like to try it, but I could not find anything on the ubuntu site.  Is there a special v
[07:28] <JackandJohn> the left hand.. the one with the dagger that keeps going for the heart
[07:28] <JackandJohn> splash: your easiest option is to install ubuntu grub to the ubuntu partition itself (not the MBR)
[07:29] <JackandJohn> then you can tell MBR grub to boot to that partition.. no messy kernel stuff :)
[07:29] <splash> How will it get to that without going to my existing grub?
[07:30] <splash> oh
[07:30] <JackandJohn> confusing?
[07:30] <splash> ~
[07:30] <JackandJohn> it sounds alot more confusing when I say it, I'm sure
[07:31] <splash> so add an entry to my grub that points to the ubuntu grub that I install on it's partition?
[07:31] <JackandJohn> yes
[07:31] <splash> I'll look into it....what about installing it on an iPAQ?
[07:31] <JackandJohn> and, infact, all you do is point it to the partition, and ubuntu grub handles the rest
[07:31] <splash> k
[07:32] <rory__> ubuntu can be loaded on an ipaq?
[07:32] <JackandJohn> scary q
[07:33] <JackandJohn> if debian can get on one, ubuntu should be able to squeeze
[07:33] <rory__> u need a 4gb mem card?
[07:34] <JackandJohn> I have absolutely no idea
[07:34] <rory__> ~seen coppice
[07:36] <JackandJohn> ok, anyone know how to change ports on this thing?
[07:38] <splash> thanks for your help! have a good night.
[07:54] <JackandJohn> iptables? anyone?
[08:11] <Se7h> Mercury: line 1554: /home/seth/Mercury/jre/bin/java: Permission denied
[08:11] <Se7h> :|
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen :)
[08:13] <zenwhen> Hi Tsjoklat :)
[08:14] <zenwhen> come to #ubuntuforums
[08:14] <zenwhen> its more of a forums based channel
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> talking to me dear?
[08:15] <zenwhen> yeah
[08:16] <HrdwrBoB> ...
[08:16] <HrdwrBoB> a 'forums based channel' ?
[08:16] <HrdwrBoB> splitters!
[08:17] <Tsjoklat> pffttt
[08:17] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen... will you be whining: no chat in there?
[08:17] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, huh?
[08:18] <Tsjoklat> well as soon as you type two lines without ubuntu in it in here one gets pointed to ubuntu-offtopic
[08:20] <JDahl> Tsjoklat, it's not that bad... now #debian - that's something else!
[08:20] <JDahl> it's all !tell me this, !tell me that
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> JDahl errr no thanks... after being banned ten times I had enough of them
[08:23] <alka_trash> hey all
[08:24] <alka_trash> I was just thinking about how good this distro is
[08:27] <alka_trash> plus I just tried nvu for the first time, it's pretty good Front Page replacement. It's a little early in development but good
[08:27] <crimsun> alka_trash: it's an excellent desktop distro imo
[08:28] <alka_trash> crimsun: I agree
[08:31] <Synek> hi
[08:33] <crimsun> 'lo
[08:38] <Gmail> why doesn't startx --:1 work in xorg?
[08:39] <crimsun> because it's `startx -- :1'
[08:39] <Tsjoklat> Gmail.. please change your nick
[08:58] <Gmail> crimsun: gave me an error
[08:58] <Gmail> i know my gfx card supports it
[08:58] <crimsun> paste the error in #flood
[08:58] <crimsun> (or use a paste web site)
[09:00] <Gmail> gnome terminal taking a long time to start
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> hey seb128
[09:00] <seb128> morning
[09:00] <bborkk> Postings to the mailing list seem to indicate that fglrx doesn't play well with suspend or sleep on laptops.  If this is so, why not simply modprobe -r fglrx before going into suspend/sleep mode and then modprobe fglrx when coming out of suspend/sleep?
[09:01] <Gmail> OMG its taking to long
[09:01] <Gmail> i am /exec -o it
[09:02] <crimsun> bborkk: is that permitted even if X Windows is running?
[09:02] <bborkk> crimsun: I guess that's why.  :)
[09:03] <bborkk> Is that true for X.org as well as XFree?
[09:04] <bborkk> Anyone using Ubuntu in Fiji?
[09:04] <crimsun> assuming fglrx is the kernel module, then if X Windows is in use, then it shouldn't be removable
[09:05] <bborkk> crimsun: What do you mean by 'the kernel module'?
[09:05] <crimsun> bborkk: what precisely is fglrx?
[09:05] <Gmail> ?
[09:05] <Lathiat> crimsun: ATI binary drivers
[09:05] <bborkk> crimsun: fglrx is the driver for the ATI FireGL graphics card, among others.
[09:06] <crimsun> bborkk: so if it's being used, it shouldn't be removable.
[09:06] <bborkk> Is there any hope of ATI opening their drivers up?
[09:06] <crimsun> same idea as with any kernel module
[09:06] <EfaistOs> what can i check to see why mys usb key is nt detected ?
[09:06] <bborkk> crimsun: Yeah, that makes sense.  I'm tired.
[09:13] <TankC> Hey all
[09:13] <TankC> I cant get my samba network to show up in Ubuntu
[09:13] <TankC> I can go "smbclient -L __host__" and it works fine
[09:13] <TankC> but it dosent show up under the Computer -> Network
[09:14] <TankC> Anyone have any possible solutions?
[09:14] <ctd> Are you going to "Windows Network"?
[09:14] <TankC> Yes, "Windows Network" is empty
[09:14] <TankC> there are no folders inside
[09:15] <ctd> I can see it fine on hoary.
[09:15] <ctd> No odd firewalls?
[09:15] <TankC> Nope.  Infact it was working fine earlier with the livecd from a laptop I have
[09:15] <rory__> ubuntu and samba suck
[09:15] <ctd> rory__: How so?
[09:16] <rory__> they dont work
[09:16] <ctd> TankC: Running a straight warty install?
[09:16] <rory__> i mean like combined
[09:16] <Lathiat> rory__: thats a very rash accusation, it works fine for me and many other people :)
[09:16] <TankC> ctd: yes, and all the securuty updates
[09:16] <rory__> straight warty, normal smb shares
[09:16] <ctd> hrm.
[09:16] <TankC> security*
[09:16] <rory__> nautilus hangs
[09:16] <ctd> and 'warty-updates'?
[09:16] <rory__> konqueror works ok
[09:17] <rory__> can mount using smbfs and can use smbclient
[09:17] <rory__> but nautilus just wont work (tm)
[09:17] <TankC> ctd: not sure, I clicked the "Mark All Upgrades" button
[09:18] <TankC> and it downloaded and installed all of them
[09:19] <TankC> I mean.. I can get around this.. but its kind of annoying not having it work
[09:20] <TankC> smbclient can handle it fine
[09:20] <TankC> I'll probably just do a smbmount
[09:21] <ctd> TankC: Can't say I've seen it before.
[09:22] <ctd> Might be worth trying the list.
[09:25] <bob2> Gmail: ?
[09:26] <ctd> hrm, alsa broke in hoary?
[09:27] <TheMuso> TankC: Hav eyou ensured you are in the same workgroup as the windows machine?
[09:27] <Tsjoklat> hey bob2
[09:27] <bob2> aloha
[09:28] <ctd> TheMuso: Workgroups don't matter in Nautilus' case.
[09:28] <TheMuso> hmmm ok.
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> how's Spain doing bob2
[09:29] <TankC> TheMuso: How do I set the workgroup?
[09:29] <TheMuso> TankC: According to ctd it doesn't make a difference.
[09:29] <bob2> Tsjoklat: oddly cold.  must be this 'winter' thing I've heard so much about
[09:29] <Tsjoklat> bob2 but fun yes
[09:30] <bob2> Tsjoklat: yup
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> great to hear bob2
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> wb TongMaster
[09:32] <TongMaster> heya Tsjoklat
[09:32] <Tsjoklat> found your pushie (or something) again TongMaster?
[09:32] <TongMaster> nope, I'll have to buy new one, perhaps in October next year.
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> it was a pushie? and stop laughing
[09:33] <TongMaster> yes, it was a pushie.
[09:33] <TongMaster> you know what a pushie is, don't you?
[09:34] <Tsjoklat> a bicycle
[09:34] <Tsjoklat> in OZ form
[09:34] <bob2> en_OZ
[09:35] <Tsjoklat> all I know is that you were mighty upset TongMaster
[09:35] <Tsjoklat> about losing it/her/him
[09:35] <TongMaster> Tsjoklat, http://www.froggyswebs.com/popular_aussie_slang-2.htm
[09:35] <ctd> I would be too.
[09:35] <TongMaster> ;)
[09:35] <TongMaster> yeah, a bike :)
[09:36] <Tsjoklat> I would have sent you a comfort card TongMaster.. but you went MIA
[09:36] <TongMaster> bikes are always a "her" here. Like cars and boats, no one seems to have a male one.
[09:36] <TongMaster> heh
[09:36] <Tsjoklat> at first I thought your gf buggered off
[09:37] <TongMaster> heh, na, I would have celebrated that.
[09:37] <Tsjoklat> didn't think calling her a 'pushie' was nice but hey what would I know
[09:37] <Tsjoklat> you don't have a gf TongMaster :P
[09:38] <TongMaster> but as I've already off-loaded the last one, it's a bit hard to do when you're single. I suppose I could celebrate eahc time I meet someone interesting and manage not to get sucked into a relationship.
[09:38] <ctd> No, Tongmaster brings all the girls to the yard..
[09:38] <TongMaster> I could teach you, but I"d hav to charge
[09:38] <Tsjoklat> TongMaster... you must be doing something very wrong love
[09:39] <ctd> TongMaster: and they call it free software.
[09:40] <TongMaster> No, Tsjoklat, single is just what I enjoy most right now, I'm enjoying the freedom and I've not met someone who I want to give that up for. I no longer feel the need for a relationship.
[09:41] <Tsjoklat> amen TongMaster
[09:42] <ctd> TongMaster: That's not what you said to thaytan last wednesday. ;p
[09:42] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: hey! I thought _we_ had a date! :)
[09:43] <TongMaster> thaytan *is* special though, in a quentin kind of way ;)
[09:43] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks I said I rung him up for a date.. not with who!
[09:43] <TongMaster> Tsjoklat, if you're not in .au, sorry :)
[09:43] <Tsjoklat> I am trying to set him up for a date Treenaks.. got loads of nice OZ women
[09:43] <Tsjoklat> I know
[09:43] <Tsjoklat> for him
[09:43] <TongMaster> Tsjoklat, ctd nearly has facial heir, he's almost ready, Get'wm young and train em ;)
[09:43] <Treenaks> we could set him up with bob2 :P
[09:44] <Tsjoklat> I shall make sure they know what a pushie is.. and that they have to come second place :P
[09:44] <Tsjoklat> ctd?
[09:44] <rory__> what is a "pushie" ?
[09:44] <TongMaster> Treenaks, bob2 owes me beer and I see him so often he's starting to feel like a GF
[09:44] <TongMaster> ;)
[09:44] <ctd> TongMaster: heir - A person who inherits or is entitled by law or by the terms of a will to inherit the estate of another.
[09:44] <TongMaster> Tsjoklat, no, not second place, just that I'm busy and not around often :)
[09:45] <ctd> TongMaster: What do I inherit?
[09:45] <TongMaster> ctd, pedant, go shave.
[09:45] <bob2> haha
[09:45] <ctd> long arms, aye.
[09:46] <TongMaster> Tsjoklat, how do you know loads of .au women?
[09:46] <bob2> he's like one of those giant novelty-sized tongs
[09:46] <Tsjoklat> TongMaster I lived in OZ member
[09:47] <TongMaster> Tsjoklat, didn't know that. I've driven past San Jose though :)
[09:48] <Tsjoklat> TongMaster we spoke about Wagga Wagga remember?
[09:48] <TongMaster> ah, yep, do now. That was a while ago.
[09:48] <Tsjoklat> TongMaster time flies
[09:49] <Tsjoklat> hey housetier.. long time no speak
[09:50] <TongMaster> Tsjoklat, I've taken to writing christmas cards this year, most have a tag line "hope to catch you in the new year or at worst in the next new year"
[09:50] <Tsjoklat> lol
[09:51] <Tsjoklat> I thought you would be in Spain TongMaster
[09:52] <TongMaster> Tsjoklat, that would assume I had something to contribute. Most of them seem to be doing a good job of finding food and alcohol on their own.
[09:52] <TongMaster> I would definitely make the conference unproductive, hey bob2?
[09:54] <bob2> of jeff's 9 rules, I'm pretty sure I've seen you break 4 already
[09:54] <Tsjoklat> reboot
[09:54] <TongMaster> plus spain is not as high on my to-do list as lifeless' mum
[09:54] <lifeless> dude.\
[09:55] <TongMaster> :)
[09:56] <TongMaster> it still weirds me out how I expect to know everyone who come son from .au
[10:01] <freddy__> hi
[10:02] <TongMaster> $B$7$g$&$A$e$&(B,  freddy__
[10:02] <Treenaks> TongMaster: is that the md5 of your password?
[10:03] <Kamion> looks like shift-jis to me
[10:03] <Kamion> or something
[10:04] <TongMaster> Treenaks, you need more language support in your system, mate :)
[10:04] <TongMaster> FWIW, it was japanese.
[10:04] <Treenaks> TongMaster: try using UTF-8 then
[10:06] <rory__> looks like $B$7$g$&$A$e$&(B,  to me....
[10:07] <freddy__> TongMaestro: eh what do u mean
[10:08] <freddy__> how the fuck do u get a functioning video system on this ubuntu?
[10:09] <freddy__> sudo X -config, how should I get that to work...?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> freddy__: umm.. try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:11] <thoreauputic> freddy__: who told you X -config? Never heard of it
[10:12] <freddy__> hmm  a guy on this list yesterday
[10:12] <thoreauputic> freddy__: this is warty, right?
[10:12] <freddy__> yes
[10:12] <thoreauputic> OK - well he hadn't a clue: try the command I gave you and choose conservative defaults to begin with
[10:13] <freddy__> thoreauputic: ok
[10:13] <thoreauputic> don't edit the XF86Config-4 file by hand, just use the dpkg tools for now
[10:13] <KingTong> freddy__, just being silly.
[10:14] <KingTong> Treenaks, perhaps, I just cut'n'paste website though, so I'm unsure what the encoding was.
[10:15] <freddy__> thoreauputic:  ah shit busID of the card ??? PCI:1.0.0 ??
[10:15] <thoreauputic> leave it blank
[10:15] <freddy__> thoreauputic: how should I know that
[10:15] <freddy__> ok
[10:15] <thoreauputic> ^^
[10:16] <thoreauputic> freddy__: remember if it doesn't work, you can do it again and try other combinations
[10:21] <freddy__> thoreauputic: now done - then what? theres no new XFConfig in /etc
[10:21] <freddy__> thoreauputic:startx still takes the ole XFConfig file
[10:21] <thoreauputic> freddy__: umm... how do you know it isn't new?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> look at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:23] <freddy__> thoreauputic: something I wrote in the old one is still there
[10:23] <freddy__> theres no such file
[10:23] <freddy__> should I delete the old and try again
[10:23] <thoreauputic> oh dear: if you edited it dpkg-reconfigure won't write a new one
[10:24] <thoreauputic> freddy__: just rename it with a .bak suffix
[10:24] <freddy__> he he ok
[10:24] <thoreauputic> that way you don't lose it completely
[10:25] <freddy__> after moving the old file, it still dont write a new one :(
[10:26] <thoreauputic> freddy__: sounds like you b0rked it - but are tyou sure you are looking at the right file?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> should be  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:27] <thoreauputic> for warty
[10:27] <thoreauputic> that's the right file AFAIK
[10:27] <freddy__> thoreauputic: yeah its that file
[10:27] <freddy__> now I have completely taken all XFConfig files out of /etc
[10:27] <freddy__> and I try again, 2 sek
[10:28] <thoreauputic> I have to go in a minute - but you are probably on the right track anyway... we hope...
[10:28] <thoreauputic> ;)
[10:29] <freddy__> thoreauputic:
[10:29] <thoreauputic> ?
[10:29] <freddy__> thoreauputic: no - this doesn't work
[10:30] <thoreauputic> are you saying yes when it asks to write?
[10:30] <freddy__> thoreauputic: the dpkg-reconfigure does not ask to write ...?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> ?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> well, gotta go - good luck
[10:31] <thoreauputic> bye
[10:32] <Synek> hi ho
[10:51] <faxons> does anyone have information on the DomainAuthenticationUtility mentioned here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DomainAuthenticationUtility/
[10:52] <rory__> if i cant boot properly because of a missing module how can i recover? boot from knoppix or something?
[10:53] <faxons> rory__: sounds reasonable
[10:54] <rory__> ok, trying that now
[10:54] <faxons> rory__: do you know which module?
[10:54] <siretart> faxons: I think it is just a proposal for a tool to do the described
[10:54] <rory__> yes
[10:55] <faxons> siretart: do you know if anyone is actually working on it?
[10:55] <siretart> faxons: It is not too complicated to set something up like the described, in fact, a simple centralized ldap for authentication took me about 2h..
[10:56] <faxons> siretart: which ldap version did you use?
[10:56] <siretart> faxons: sorry, no. I would ask Jerry Halmton, author of that wiki page
[10:56] <siretart> faxons: openldap from woody, a rather ancient one..
[10:56] <siretart> but we plan migrating to sarge
[10:57] <faxons> siretart: yea, I've spent a little time on the mailing list and any questions about older versions are answered with "upgrade"
[10:58] <faxons> siretart: was the implementatin youre talking about for *nix clients only?
[10:58] <siretart> faxons: yes, our setup is a rather small one: 6-8 debian sarge desktops
[11:00] <faxons> siretart: do you know where I would find jerry halmton's email addy?
[11:00] <siretart> faxons: nope, but i would try googling ;)
[11:01] <faxons> siretart: just did, big miss
[11:01] <siretart> faxons: but, If you really need such a tool and are willing to pay, I'm sure the guys at canonical would be able to arrange something ;)
[11:02] <rory__> where is the list of modules that get loaded located?
[11:02] <faxons> siretart: google works better when you spell the name right
[11:02] <siretart> (no i'm not affiliated with canonical)
[11:02] <siretart> ;)
[11:02] <faxons> siretart: actually i'm looking for a project to work on
[11:03] <siretart> ah, even better :)
[11:04] <faxons> siretart: it's something that's been missing for a little to long in my opinion
[11:04] <siretart> faxons: yes, I aggree.
[11:06] <__learner__> hi
[11:09] <rory__> how do i disable a module "like modprobe -r <module>" but booted off knoppix cd?
[11:14] <siretart> rory__: add that module to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[11:22] <__learner___> can you help me to get Amsn and to update Gain?
[11:28] <__learner___> How can I install a .deb Package I downloaded?
[11:28] <faxons> __learner___: man dpkg
[11:29] <__learner___> tx faxons
[11:30] <davmor2> is anybody using a 64bit machine
[11:31] <Ng> davmor2: yeah
[11:31] <rory__> siretart, thanks, that worked
[11:31] <__learner___> isn't there anyway to put the pckage I downloaded in the Synaptic list?
[11:32] <bob2> no
[11:32] <bob2> it's best to not download .debs like that if you can avoid it...what are you installing?
[11:32] <davmor2> ng is there any real advantage as it is going to be my next major upgrade
[11:33] <nessmuk> mplayer was recommended to me for playing mpeg/wmv etc. Does it work okay in ubuntu or is there another player that is better?
[11:33] <__learner___> Amsn
[11:33] <AndyR> lo ppl
[11:33] <__learner___>  a messenger app
[11:33] <housetier> nessmuk I think it works quite well
[11:33] <davmor2> nessmuk mplayer is about the most reliable one
[11:34] <nessmuk> thnx, housetier...davmor2. Couldn't tell on the homepage if was gnomish or kde
[11:34] <__learner___> There's Amsn0.92 in the universe repository, but theyr site claims 0.94 is far better.
[11:34] <__learner___> bob2
[11:35] <Ng> davmor2: kinda, ish. it has advantages and disadvantages
[11:35] <iz> __learner___, install gaim
[11:35] <nessmuk> davmor...housetier....take the latest version or what?
[11:36] <__learner___> I have gaim, but gaim is Buggy when using MSN.
[11:36] <davmor2> nessmuk neither it's basically a command based player with gui for both gmplayer for gnome and kmplayer for kde
[11:36] <__learner___> And the GAIM update also does not show in the repository.
[11:36] <AndyR> i d/l the ymessenger but it depends on libssl0.9.6 and i have libssl0.9.7 installed but now synaptic complains because i forced the install
[11:36] <iz> __learner___, get it from source then
[11:36] <davmor2> _learner_ i am using amsn .94 it is more reliable
[11:37] <Ng> davmor2: it means things like 32bit video codecs don't work without a 32bit chroot and some WINE things can be a bit of a pain
[11:37] <Ng> davmor2: but generally I think it's a good move
[11:37] <Ng> davmor2: I suspect that most of the "it's nicer than my old system" is more down to the larger busses than the CPU, since I went 2ghz 32bit->2ghz 64bit
[11:37] <__learner___> davmor2 that's the version I'm trying to install. They have ubuntu packages in ther site, do you think there will be any trouble with installing it?
[11:38] <Ng> faster ram and so on
[11:38] <AndyR> should i downgrade to libssl0.9.6?
[11:39] <davmor2> _learner_ just download the file and add any dependancies via syaptic it tells you what you need I only had a couple of problems with the traydocking you need tk8.4 dev and tlc8.4 dev
[11:40] <davmor2> thanx ng
[11:40] <__learner___> How can I do that.
[11:40] <__learner___> I downloaded it
[11:41] <__learner___> and tried to install via dpkg, it told me it can't install because of dependency
[11:41] <nessmuk> davmor...should I be able to find gmplayer in the universe in Synaptic, or have to dl it off the web?
[11:41] <davmor2> open terminal "sudo ./amsn-0.94" or what ever the file is called
[11:41] <__learner___> how can I put it into synaptic?
[11:42] <__learner___> command not found
[11:42] <bob2> __learner___: you can't, easily
[11:42] <davmor2> _learner_ open synaptic and just look down the files til you find the dependancies
[11:42] <bob2> if you want to use other .deb files, you'll need to resolve the dependencies manually
[11:43] <__learner___> tx
[11:43] <bob2> it's possible that it won't work on warty at all, tho
[11:43] <__learner___> I'll try
[11:43] <davmor2> nessmuk I haven't seen it although mplayer itself is there on multiverse
[11:45] <davmor2> lo bob2 see I'm learning
[11:45] <bob2> heh, good work
[11:46] <__learner___> tx, it was easy to install. When I opened synaptic, it showed a message about bronken packages. I clicked resolve broken packages, then apply, and it installed. Now let us see it if works.
[11:46] <davmor2> _learner_ I think when I installed amsn0.94 it was from source which I find configures easier in ubuntu
[11:47] <davmor2> nessmuk if you are going to install mplayer from source be prepared for an almighty dependancies list
[11:48] <nessmuk> davmor...can't see it in universe. Is multiverse different? Haven't heard of that.
[11:49] <bob2> yes
[11:49] <bob2> it's for non-free stuff
[11:49] <davmor2> if you go to the ubuntu wiki site I found it there hang on
[11:49] <nessmuk> dav...'k
[11:52] <davmor2> nessmuk in synaptic it reads http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu  (next line) warty  (next line) multiverse
[11:53] <davmor2> nessmuk in the repositories list
[11:54] <davmor2> bob2 is there an easy to configure firewall for gnome
[11:54] <siretart> nessmuk: for mplayer you will need the marillat repository for sarge
[11:54] <bob2> davmor2: I hear firestarter is ok...
[11:55] <bob2> but on a default system you don't need one at all
[11:55] <davmor2> bob2 okay ta
[11:57] <davmor2> any joy nessmuk
[11:59] <nessmuk> dav..can't find that, looks like I need to update the repositories or something
[12:00] <melazyboy> has anyone used the ubuntu install just to get the preconfigured xserver, then successfully switched entirly to sid?
[12:01] <__learner___> it working great
[12:01] <ctd> melazyboy: You should just upgrade to hoary.
[12:01] <davmor2> nessmuk if you use synaptic click on settings go into repositories and click new manually add the repository and then back on the main synaptic page click reload
[12:01] <melazyboy> ctd: Im using hoary
[12:01] <nessmuk> davmor...I have: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu but only universe-main-restricted sections...no multiverse
[12:01] <ctd> melazyboy: Then why use sid?
[12:02] <davmor2> nessmuk you need to add it manually
[12:02] <melazyboy> ctd:
[12:02] <melazyboy> ctd: More updated bigger repos
[12:03] <boodle> does ubuntu have a sid or do you mean debian-sid ?
[12:03] <ctd> melazyboy: y'know, universe is a snapshot of sid.
[12:03] <melazyboy> ubuntu doesn't have a sid. debian sid
[12:03] <boodle> ok, tks
[12:03] <melazyboy> ctd: an old one =/
[12:03] <nessmuk> 'k...thnx dav
[12:04] <davmor2> nessmuk you got it now
[12:06] <nessmuk> dav...done! will this marillat repos be included?
[12:07] <__learner___> is there any problem in removing the ubuntu-desktop package. I trying to install updated xine and it says it will remove ubuntu-desktop. I've got a bit scared because of the package name. Will anything bad happen if I remove it?
[12:07] <ctd> __learner___: Nope, it's fine.
[12:07] <__learner___> tx. What is that package about?
[12:07] <ctd> __learner___: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package.
[12:08] <melazyboy> there is one small problem with remoivng it...
[12:08] <__learner___> what is a meta-package? What problem?
[12:08] <nessmuk> found mplayer. But does it play wmv or does that need something else?
[12:08] <davmor2> every time you start synaptic or as I can figure terminal apt-get etc it will download from this repo to
[12:08] <melazyboy> by my understanding if you flush it, then any change to the package set will be ignored
[12:08] <Newbie9000> hey folks - how do you know if your shipit order from ubuntu has been processed?
[12:08] <Ng> it does mean that if ubuntu add more packages into the ubuntu-desktop metapackage then you will not have them installed
[12:08] <bob2> nessmuk: you may need w32codecs
[12:09] <Ng> but that's unlikely to cause a problem in warty, I'd think
[12:09] <davmor2> no you just need all the mplayer files should work fine from terminal then
[12:09] <bob2> __learner___: if you remove it, you will need to be careful during upgrades
[12:09] <melazyboy> ie, if a package is added to the distro, and its not a dependency for something apt won't know to install it without ubuntu-desktop
[12:09] <bob2> Newbie9000: by checking the shipit website
[12:09] <bob2> davmor2: some need windows dlls
[12:09] <__learner___> Is there anyway to get ubunto-desktop reinstalled latter?
[12:09] <bob2> __learner___: yes
[12:09] <ctd> __learner___: yeah
[12:10] <nessmuk> 'k....thanks lots davmor. Brain collapsing ...must sleep. Bye all
[12:10] <davmor2> neesmuk believe bob2
[12:10] <Newbie9000> bob2: the shipit site itself or the ubuntu part?
[12:10] <__learner___> tx.
[12:10] <bob2> Newbie9000: the shipit site will tell you
[12:11] <Newbie9000> ok ta
[12:11] <__learner___> the problem is that my totem player can't play anything.
[12:11] <bob2> __learner___: install gxine or mplayer
[12:11] <melazyboy> or vlc
[12:11] <__learner___> thanks again
[12:11] <Newbie9000> bob2: don't suppose you got an URL do you?
[12:11] <bob2> Newbie9000: shipit.ubuntulinux.org...
[12:12] <Newbie9000> bob2: yeah - i went there and there is no date or anything, just the order form. what does 'token' mean under the login form?
[12:12] <Kamion> token should've been mailed to you
[12:13] <Newbie9000> ahhh - maybe that is the problem
[12:14] <Newbie9000> i never got a token
[12:14] <bob2> you can request a new one
[12:14] <Newbie9000> how do i do that?
[12:17] <MRsluDGe> hi everyone
[12:17] <melazyboy> with gxine there is a dll that its requiring to play a .wmv file, is there a synaptic package i can get it from ?
[12:17] <bob2> w32codecs
[12:17] <melazyboy> wmvmod i beleive
[12:17] <MRsluDGe> i'm using warty, if i download x.org from hoary's repositories does it work OK? did anyone tried? i don't want to mess the system up
[12:17] <__learner___> guys your great! Xine is now working perfectly
[12:18] <bob2> MRsluDGe: if you're not ready to use hoary, I wouldn't recommend that
[12:18] <__learner___> Ubuntu is just too cool. Beats every distro I've seen this far.
[12:18] <MRsluDGe> bob2: i just want x.org for the fonts to look better
[12:18] <rory__> install ms fonts?
[12:18] <MRsluDGe> i dont want a total upgrade to hoary, just the X
[12:18] <bob2> MRsluDGe: how does it make the fonts look betteR?
[12:19] <melazyboy> I just want fglrx to work with xorg
[12:19] <bob2> iz: can you turn that off please?
[12:19] <MRsluDGe> well, on x.org fonts look more beautiful and clear to me
[12:19] <__learner___> I aslo need to know how to make gxine open my video files now, since there's no totem anymore. I got an error message every time I double click a media file.
[12:19] <davmor2> _learner_ and the free help line is so useful for newbies like me
[12:19] <bob2> MRsluDGe: are you sure that's what caused it?
[12:19] <iz> sorry bob2
[12:19] <MRsluDGe> yes, on my slackware box my desktop was much much nicer
[12:20] <bob2> that's ok :)
[12:20] <iz> :)
[12:20] <davmor2> _learner_ just right click the file open with
[12:20] <trukulo> hi
[12:20] <bob2> MRsluDGe: are you sure it wasn't just a better choice of fonts?
[12:20] <davmor2> and select gxine
[12:20] <bob2> MRsluDGe: or configuration of fontconfig?
[12:20] <MRsluDGe> the same fonts, i'm sure on that
[12:21] <__learner___> I know I can do that, But I want to learn how to do it. Because I'll need to know how to put ubuntu fully working on other peoples desktops.
[12:21] <__learner___> and for may father and brother to use my pc as well.
[12:22] <MRsluDGe> well this also happened to me when slackware upgraded to xfree 4.3 - than they've changed to x.org, and everyting was good looking again
[12:22] <MRsluDGe> i mean there's anti-aliased fonts
[12:22] <MRsluDGe> but they just look different
[12:22] <FlopsyPete> hi. what GUI tool does Ubuntu use for network management? I use Debian but saw a friend's Ubuntu had a nice GUI for it
[12:23] <MRsluDGe> so :) i'm thinking of just installing x.org from hoary's rep.s
[12:24] <MRsluDGe> synaptic says its ok- it will just remove xfree86
[12:24] <daniels> MRsluDGe: i strongly recommend not doing so
[12:24] <bob2> thats a bad idea
[12:24] <daniels> it can cause problems, and fonts are actually impacted by libfreetype6 and fontconfig
[12:24] <daniels> x.org has very, very little influence
[12:24] <MRsluDGe> i see
[12:24] <MRsluDGe> so i should try the fontconfig then
[12:25] <trukulo> daniels, r u in mataro?
[12:25] <TomT64> has anyone tried installing usbvision on ubuntu?
[12:25] <daniels> trukulo: yeah
[12:25] <trukulo> daniels, going there today or tomorrow
[12:25] <trukulo> :)
[12:25] <trukulo> i'l say you later
[12:25] <mjr> FlopsyPete, I think it's just the gnome-admin-tools network utility
[12:25] <daniels> trukulo: cool!
[12:26] <MRsluDGe> thanks for the opinions! :)
[12:26] <trukulo> yeah :)
[12:26] <TomT64> Or more importantly does ubuntu have a package for using the Dazzle DVC 80 USB video capture device?
[12:26] <MRsluDGe> see ya all! :)
[12:28] <FlopsyPete> mjr: thanks
[12:29] <trukulo> daniels, tomorrow at 17.30h more less
[12:29] <TomT64> guess that'd be a no....
[12:30] <iz> Tom64 what is it?
[12:30] <iz> tv card?
[12:31] <TomT64> yeah
[12:31] <TomT64> well
[12:31] <TomT64> it's a USB device for S Video and RCA input
[12:31] <iz> aha
[12:31] <TomT64> so it kind of is a tv card, except not card like
[12:31] <TomT64> it looks funky
[12:31] <FlopsyPete> mjr: I can't find reference to that in Debian, do you know is it an intergarted part of gnome-desktop rather than a seperately installable package?
[12:32] <TomT64> I got tvtime and I can't build usbvision, which says it supports the Dazzle DVC 80
[12:32] <TomT64> also I want to know if maybe there;s another drver, because it says it only supports PAL
[12:32] <iz> TomT64, and xawtv is not working with it?
[12:33] <TomT64> Did that come with ubuntu?
[12:33] <iz> yup
[12:33] <iz> xawtv - X11 TV application
[12:33] <TomT64> its not in my programs list
[12:33] <bitserf> ooeer. hoary just killed gnome-panel, don't why, wasn't paying attention to the dist-upgrade :P known issue?
[12:33] <iz> do you have edit uour sourses.lst?
[12:33] <TomT64> I did edit it
[12:33] <seb128> bitserf, yes
[12:34] <TomT64> I have warty
[12:34] <bob2> hoary has a lot of gnome-crashy bugs, it seems
[12:34] <iz> aha do a nano /etc/apt/sources.lst and remove the #
[12:34] <seb128> bob2, that's not a bug, new gnomevfs conflicts with old panel
[12:34] <seb128> time to get the new one built
[12:35] <bitserf> well, at least i can still start terminals :)
[12:35] <TomT64> Oh what I meant was I didn't have it installed
[12:35] <bob2> seb128: hm
[12:35] <iz> TomT64, oh :)
[12:35] <TomT64> ...and after installing I don't see it listed under Applications
[12:36] <iz> TomT64, synaptic?
[12:36] <TomT64> yeah
[12:36] <iz> its in warty
[12:36] <TomT64> hrm
[12:36] <TomT64> I installed it and its deps but it doesn't have a menu item
[12:37] <iz> do otherwise apt-get update and then apt-cache search xawtv
[12:37] <melazyboy> `how come a dist-upgrade tries to remove gnome-applets, gnome-applets data, gnome-panel, gnome-panel-data, and ubuntu-desktop?
[12:38] <bitserf> melazyboy: known issue
[12:38] <melazyboy> how do i find what package is tieing that up
[12:38] <iz> melazyboy hoary?
[12:38] <melazyboy> yar
[12:38] <marsjays> melazyboy: just about to ask the same thing :-/
[12:38] <melazyboy> should i go ahead with the upgrade or wait a day?
[12:38] <bitserf> melazyboy: apparently its libgnomevfs2-0 thats doing it
[12:38] <iz> read ubuntu
[12:38] <bitserf> melazyboy: i'd hold off unless you like having panels :)
[12:38] <melazyboy> iz: Thanks for that specific and all usefull advice.
[12:39] <bitserf> not having panels, that is..
[12:39] <bob2> if you're going to use hoary while it's in so much flux, you should be reading ubuntu-devel or -users
[12:39] <marsjays> i went ahead with the upgrade, and i'm doing fine without panels >:)
[12:40] <TomT64> *wark*
[12:40] <TomT64> Um, xawtv crashed me
[12:40] <mjr> FlopsyPete, it's not an integrated part (yet, anyway), I think. And oops, it was "gnome-system-tools"
[12:40] <iz> TomT64, ai
[12:40] <bitserf> bob2: that would be a good thing to have in the topic, imho...or at least a hoary wiki link
[12:40] <TomT64> anyway I have tvtime, which says it works with v4l stuff
[12:41] <TomT64> And it doesn't have access to my video source
[12:41] <TomT64> so clearly I need a driver
[12:41] <TomT64> (side note, it doesn't even find my logitech webcam)
[12:41] <mako> Gmail: i'm here now
[12:41] <mako> bdale: the ppc cds will not be working in a couple weeks
[12:41] <Gmail> mako: look at
[12:41] <seb128> melazybo2, bitserf : new panel is here, but it has a standard GNOME menu (actions and no computer) ... so you're warned before upgrading
[12:42] <bitserf> seb128: woah, that was fast. thanks! i was expecting a day or so :)
[12:42] <Gmail> http://img62.exs.cx/img62/1053/k1zlogo.jpg
[12:42] <FlopsyPete> mjr: cheers
[12:42] <seb128> bitserf, no, hoary is not topic material, don't use a devel branch if you want a stable system
[12:42] <seb128> np
[12:43] <Gmail> mako: its a picture of the ubuntu logo and the msn new circle logo
[12:43] <Gmail> the heads are even in the same places
[12:44] <melazyboy> Gmail: i would have to agree...
[12:44] <melazyboy> Gmail: Who made the logo first?
[12:44] <Gmail> ubuntu
[12:44] <TomT64> so no  solution I take it
[12:44] <melazyboy> Gmail: looks to me like a case for intent to confuse
[12:44] <Gmail> ubuntu's logo has been around for 7 months i think
[12:45] <Gmail> melazyboy: and this is a beta screeny of msnm7 thats all
[12:45] <Gmail> for beta testers
[12:46] <KING^^^> hello all , what is the link where it shows how to install mplayer because i can't find it
[12:46] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:46] <melazyboy> let them go through with it then let canocial pwn them
[12:47] <melazyboy> KING^^^: type this as root, 'echo deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[12:47] <Kinnison> Afternoon
[12:48] <KING^^^> melazyboy but last night i have stoped installation at a point ... and i want to continue
[12:49] <ACID|net> im sooo bored
[12:49] <bob2> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/, get cracking ;-)
[12:49] <TomT64> feel like helping me code a game?  8>D
[12:49] <KING^^^> so ... someone can give me that link ?
[12:50] <ACID|net> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats <--- how to install mplayer
[12:50] <bob2> KING^^^: I gave it to you already
[12:50] <bob2> KING^^^: 21:46:17           bob2 | wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:53] <KING^^^> bob2 there was a link where it shows how to compile ... there where a lot of commands
[12:53] <KING^^^> with apt-get
[12:55] <bob2> why do you want to compile it?
[12:56] <KING^^^> because someone the other night send me there to learn how to install mplayer,and i have started it but not finished , and i want to finish now
[12:57] <scoon> KING^^^, I just compiled and installed mplayer on Sunday.  It is really easy.  Just go to http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/news.html and ./configure && make && make install
[12:58] <scoon> KING^^^, i like to install things that I compile or that are not debs into /opt
[12:58] <bob2> you really don't need to compile it to use it, you know...
[12:58] <scoon> bob2, well the deb WAS only good for pentium4 or something like that i read somewhere and it would just seg fault on me.
[12:59] <scoon> bob2, besides, it was uber easy to get all of the codecs from that page as well.
[12:59] <bob2> erm, I'm pretty sure that's not true
[12:59] <KING^^^> but i have started it ! what i do now ?
[12:59] <bob2> marillat's archive has i386 as well
[12:59] <scoon> bob2, i am quite certain that it was, cuz i did it.
[12:59] <KING^^^> i have downloaded a lot of stuff for that mplayer
[01:00] <bob2> what I mean is "I know for a fact that Christian Marillat's archive contains mplayer compiled for 386."
[01:01] <scoon> bob2, i tried it at one point and it segfaulted, just like i said before.  maybe that has been updated now.
[01:01] <scoon> bob2, but compiling mplayer was easy enough for me.
[01:01] <bob2> did you report that bug?
[01:01] <scoon> ./configure && make && make install
[01:02] <scoon> no.  like i said someone else already had.
[01:02] <scoon> that is how i knew about it. tried it anyway and it segfaulted
[01:04] <KING^^^> so ... is someone so nice to tell me what i have to do now ? or please give me that link
[01:05] <scoon> KING^^^, i already did.
[01:05] <potato_head> KING^^^: there's a great howto on the ubuntu forums.
[01:06] <KING^^^> scoon but i have compiled it half of it
[01:06] <ACID|net> just compile it again
[01:06] <ACID|net> or use the .deb
[01:06] <sirfred> Hi. How can I proceed to have a kernel source tree identical to the one used to compile ubuntu kernel?
[01:06] <KING^^^> but i need that link where explains how to compile
[01:06] <scoon> KING^^^, i am not really certain i understand.  there are 3 steps according to the readme
[01:06] <scoon> KING^^^, ./configure && make && make install
[01:06] <melazyboy> dear god i have every video player installed and none of them will play this movie
[01:07] <scoon> KING^^^, what steps are you trying to do ?
[01:07] <sirfred> I've downloaded the kernel-tree.
[01:07] <melazyboy> why doesn't this mplayer have the guiconfig
[01:07] <KING^^^> downloading codecs
[01:07] <sirfred> There're also kernel-patches, but are these patches all the used for the ubuntu kernel?
[01:07] <potato_head> sirfred: Are the linux-header files something like what you want?
[01:08] <sirfred> potato_head: What do you mean?
[01:08] <scoon> KING^^^, they have an ftp site where you can get all of the codecs to dump into a codecs dir that you tell mplayer where it is during ./configure
[01:08] <sirfred> potato_head: The linux-headers are part of the kernel-source, aren't they?
[01:08] <scoon> KING^^^, took me all of 10 minutes to get mplayer up and going.
[01:08] <ACID|net> lol
[01:09] <scoon> KING^^^, and yes i have the real, quicktime and m$  codecs going.  I can also use mplayer on my fb
[01:09] <sirfred> potato_head: But the kernel sources are not patched, for example, my EXTRAVERSION is "" in the Makefile.
[01:09] <kent> its possible to install mplayer (and totem or totem-xine) from Ubuntu universe including all the win32-codecs.  Thats a very easy way to get a movieplayer that plays most movies.  No need to fiddle with anything
[01:09] <scoon> KING^^^, the only thing i didn't do was configure it to have gui
[01:09] <KING^^^> but what i am going to do now ? because i have downloaded a lot of things last night , it took me 30 min or more ... and i want to continue
[01:09] <scoon> kent, but totem doesnt' play wmv's
[01:10] <Treenaks> yet.
[01:10] <kent> scoon, even if you have the win32codecs that mplayer uses?
[01:10] <scoon> KING^^^, well in an effort to not waste your bandwidth, why don't you try google ?
[01:10] <KING^^^> but it was on ubuntu site
[01:10] <potato_head> sirfred: oh okay.
[01:10] <scoon> kent, nope, not even.
[01:10] <ACID|net> KING^^^: Look in your history
[01:10] <kent> scoon, i can watch wmv's with totem-xine from Ubuntu. Doing it right now just to check :)
[01:10] <KING^^^> can't find it
[01:11] <scoon> KING^^^, is this it:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=mplayer
[01:12] <scoon> kent, well i used totem-gstreamer.
[01:12] <sirfred> I'm downloading linux-patch-debian-2.6.8.1
[01:12] <ACID|net> KING^^^: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=mplayer+site%3Aubuntulinux.org&btnG=Search
[01:12] <sirfred> Perhaps that are the patches for the ubuntu kernel?
[01:12] <scoon> kent, i also like to have mplayer around cuz when i rip dvd's i use mplayer to check the iso b4 i burn it.
[01:12] <scoon> hey but that is just me.
[01:12] <sirfred> We have kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 and  linux-patch-debian-2.6.8.1
[01:12] <sirfred> What is the difference ?
[01:13] <scoon> sirfred, well they are 2 different kernels.  there was a 2.6.8 kernel and a 2.6.8.1 kernel.
[01:14] <sirfred> scoon: But why one of them is linux-patch-debian and the other one kernel-patch-debian ?
[01:15] <scoon> sirfred, i don't know.  I am just letting you know that they are 2 diff kernels.
[01:15] <Kamion> kernel-patch-debian is the one we imported automatically from Debian. It's in universe.
[01:15] <scoon> maybe post a ? in the forums.
[01:15] <Kamion> linux-* are our own kernels, in main.
[01:16] <sirfred> Kamion: Oh, thanks.
[01:16] <sirfred> Kamion: So, what do I need to build the ubuntu kernel?
[01:16] <Kamion> linux-source-2.6.8.1
[01:16] <Kamion> the source package
[01:16] <sirfred> Kamion: linux-tree ?
[01:16] <Kamion> 'apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.1'
[01:17] <sirfred> Kamion: OK. What's next?
[01:17] <melazyboy> sirfred: No your right.
[01:17] <Kamion> I'm afraid I don't have time to walk you through it all, but that gives you the tree in the current directory, and dpkg-buildpackage (or debuild, or whatever) builds it
[01:17] <Kamion> (once you cd into the directory you get)
[01:17] <sirfred> Kamion: So, the patches are yet applied?
[01:17] <sirfred> Kamion: I know how to build a debian kernel.
[01:17] <Kamion> they're in debian/patches/, not applies
[01:17] <melazyboy> sirfred: kernel-tree, is the ubuntu kernel preconfigured, if you build it in theory you get the same thing you have, kernel source is the sources packaged from kernel.org
[01:17] <Kamion> applied
[01:17] <sirfred> Kamion: My only doubt is about the patches.
[01:18] <Kamion> dpkg-buildpackage will apply them though
[01:18] <scoon> wow.  i would like to say that ubuntu is the best linux i have ran in 6 years.
[01:18] <Kamion> Debian kernels are a bit different, because they have kernel-source and kernel-image source packages, so there are two steps
[01:18] <sirfred> Kamion, melazyboy : Thanks.
[01:18] <Kamion> we decided to do the whole thing in a single source package
[01:18] <Kamion> simplifies maintenance
[01:18] <scoon> everyday i am just happy that i know this box will just be working away just fine.
[01:21] <sirfred> BTW, I've found an extrange effect the last days in Hoary
[01:21] <sirfred> When the machine is shutting down, there are some messages about a missing /proc/modules
[01:21] <sirfred> Well, it was only at shutting down, but today I was testing a different wireless modules.
[01:21] <sirfred> And when I typed /etc/init.d/pcmcia stop
[01:21] <Kamion> there's something wrong with some wireless drivers; various people have reported filesystems getting unmounted
[01:21] <Kamion> I don't think it's been tracked down yet
[01:22] <Kamion> some Canonical people are seeing it though, so it should be trackable
[01:22] <sirfred> Suddenly there were nothing in /proc and /export but mount said that they were mounted.
[01:22] <sirfred> For a pair of minutes I thought that all my home filesystem was lost.
[01:22] <sirfred> Kamion: ok.
[01:25] <Hikaru79> OK, this is wierd
[01:25] <Hikaru79> I'm on hoary
[01:25] <Hikaru79> I reloaded the repositories
[01:25] <Hikaru79> And I could SWEAR that about 2 minutes ago, gaim 1.0,3 was on there
[01:25] <Hikaru79> I come back to install it two minutes later... and it's disappeared completely >_>
[01:25] <Hikaru79> was it taken off the repo or something?
[01:26] <scoon> how has hoary been treating people, coming from gentoo i have been fighting off the "upgrade" bug
[01:27] <Hikaru79> scoon, riddled with bugs :(
[01:28] <tommie_> no problems here :)
[01:28] <scoon> Hikaru79, thanks.  then i will try and wait it out.  but the withdraw man.  it hurts.
[01:29] <scoon> you see, I used to be an emerge addict
[01:29] <Hikaru79> scoon, then again, I've only been using Linux for about 2-3 months; perhaps it's just my lack of experience. You might be luckier ;)
[01:29] <scoon> it was ruining my life, and my computer.  I spent more time compiling and emerging.
[01:29] <Hikaru79> 'emerge'?
[01:30] <scoon> it got to be a real problem.
[01:30] <scoon> oh
[01:30] <scoon> that is a gentoo thing.
[01:30] <scoon> the thing i like about warty is how damn stable it is.
[01:30] <scoon> so i am really hesitant to switch to hoary.
[01:30] <potato_head> if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
[01:31] <scoon> at least just yet.  maybe after xmas.
[01:31] <Hikaru79> When is hoary becoming official release?
[01:31] <scoon> potato_head, xactly.  before i ran into the "optomizing myself to death" syndrome.
[01:31] <scoon> Hikaru79, i don't think until march-ish
[01:31] <Hikaru79> x_x oh...
[01:31] <scoon> Hikaru79, well, what do i really need?
[01:32] <scoon> my java works.
[01:32] <scoon> my eclispe is in
[01:32] <scoon> mplayer and all of the pluggys
[01:32] <scoon> there is NO diff between firefox-warty and firefox-1.0
[01:32] <Xenguy> scoon: consider that Ubuntu is based on Debian's 'latest/greatest' development tree.  In theory, Ubu can only get 6 months 'out-of-date' before Hoary is released -- this is a good balance between 'bleeding-edge' and 'stable' IMO :-)
[01:32] <scoon> and this version of xfree is as good as xorg
[01:33] <scoon> Xenguy, but this is WAY more on the stable side.  i love it.
[01:33] <scoon> with gentoo i was constantly checking out cvs code.
[01:33] <scoon> the "bleeding edge" was bleeding me to death.
[01:33] <Xenguy> scoon: yes, Debian has a reputation for being stable
[01:33] <Hikaru79> LOL
[01:34] <potato_head> Hikaru79: the beatrix iso seems to have burnt okay.
[01:34] <scoon> as i said before, i was an emerge addict.  it almost ruined my life.
[01:34] <scoon> but i am on the mends.
[01:34] <scoon> ubuntu has really helped me there.
[01:34] <potato_head> Wrong channel :)
[01:34] <scoon> potato_head, is there a #addicted-to-emerge channel in freenode somewheres ?
[01:35] <scoon> all right all, thanks for the laughs and the good times.
[01:35] <scoon> cya
[01:36] <potato_head> bah. I meant. I posted on the wrong channel....
[01:37] <Kamion> Hikaru79: April 2005.
[01:38] <Hikaru79> Thanks, Kamion :)
[01:38] <scizzo> I have found a few nice bugs in the printing system
[01:38] <__learner___> how can I close a windows that is not working?
[01:39] <__learner___> Something like a Task manager
[01:39] <scizzo> you can't use 2 printers using SMB and you can not change the default printer either
[01:39] <marmaduke> Does anyone know why the links on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork no longer work?
[01:39] <marmaduke> It just says attachment:xxxxx where it used to have proper links to files
[01:40] <melazyboy> when someone else uses mplayer, do they find that the vidoe plays just without a gui?
[01:40] <melazyboy> as in no gui config or anything, running something with mplayer just yeilds a box with video
[01:40] <marmaduke> I'm after the ub_human14.xpm.gz file to setup grub with a graphical screen
[01:41] <Ng> melazyboy: that is how it's supposed to work :)
[01:41] <Ng> if you want a gui, run gmplayer (afair)
[01:41] <KING^^^> mencoder-custom - MPlayer's Movie Encoder
[01:41] <KING^^^> mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org
[01:41] <KING^^^> mplayer-custom - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[01:41] <KING^^^> mplayer-doc - Documentation for mplayer
[01:41] <KING^^^> mplayer-fonts - Fonts for mplayer
[01:41] <KING^^^> xmms-xmmplayer - XMMS plugin that uses MPlayer to play video files
[01:41] <KING^^^> root@ubuntu:/usr/bin #
[01:42] <melazyboy> Ng: Wow its late, a big thanks goes out to you, just what im looking for
[01:42] <KING^^^> what do i have to do from here to install mplayer ?
[01:42] <melazyboy> none of those..
[01:42] <melazyboy> KING^^^: are you using a pentium II+?
[01:43] <KING^^^> AMD
[01:43] <__learner___> can you help me in getting JavaBeans to work on my system?
[01:43] <melazyboy> there should be a package called mplayer-k6
[01:43] <bloggs> check this page out - it shows how to install mplayer and more - http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[01:44] <SeFoKumA> re
[01:45] <__learner___> and another one: is there any way to run winamp streaming media (Shoutcast) in linux?
[01:46] <bob2> apt-cache search icecast
[01:50] <melazyboy> what does alsa used if there is no /dev/mixer?
[01:51] <bob2> alsao nodes are in /dev/snd
[01:53] <melazyboy> anyone know a fix for gmplayer w/ alsa?
[01:53] <melazyboy> im getting spammed when i try to play a stream no mixer at /dev/mixer, i tried changing it to /dev/snd no joy
[01:53] <mjg59> melazyboy: Make sure snd-mixer-oss is loaded
[01:54] <melazyboy> im not using oss at all though
[01:54] <melazyboy> i want to go alsa
[01:54] <bob2> then you need to configure mplayer to use alsao
[01:55] <bob2> for normal mplayer, '-ao alsa' is enough
[01:55] <melazyboy> I did, and me as well as many others (googled) are having the same problem
[01:55] <melazyboy> i just can't find the solution
[01:55] <bob2> works for me
[01:55] <bob2> you built your own mplayer?
[01:55] <melazyboy> no
[01:55] <KeyserSoze> I hate alsa
[01:55] <bob2> melazyboy: where did you get it from?
[01:56] <melazyboy> Im just finidng that without OSS support from kernel or modules, that gmplayer will spam you with a no /dev/mixer dialogue when you try to use alsa
[01:56] <bob2> where did you get this mplayer package from?
[01:56] <melazyboy> I googled for 'alsa mplayer /dev/mixer' alot of other users are having the problem as well, 2 of which are using ubuntu
[01:56] <melazyboy> i got it from the sources listed in the iwki
[01:57] <bob2> where on the wiki? marillat's site?
[01:57] <melazyboy> my kernel is a custom build though with no oss support at all
[01:57] <melazyboy> yes thats it
[01:57] <bob2> the wiki is full of all sorts of crap
[01:57] <melazyboy> marillat
[01:57] <ctd> You should be getting mplayer from multiverse.
[01:59] <KeyserSoze> mala: ln -s /dev/sound/mixer /dev/mixer
[02:00] <fabbione> hey KeyserSoze
[02:00] <KeyserSoze> sup f
[02:00] <fabbione> nm and u?
[02:00] <KeyserSoze> just here
[02:00] <KeyserSoze> trying to wake up
[02:01] <fabbione> yeah.. tuesday is like monday..
[02:01] <fabbione> it sucks :-)
[02:01] <KeyserSoze> all days I have to wake up early suck
[02:01] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: isn't like 8 am there now?
[02:02] <KeyserSoze> yeah
[02:02] <fabbione> eheh
[02:03] <the_gummibear> hmm, is it allowed to ask help or is there a specific help-channel of ubuntu?
[02:03] <fabbione> the_gummibear: here is fine
[02:03] <Synek> the_gummibear: shhot :)
[02:03] <Synek> s/shhot/shoot/ ;>
[02:03] <the_gummibear> :') a release where they actually talk when you ask something :)
[02:04] <the_gummibear> anyway..
[02:04] <the_gummibear> i can't use the 'su -' command
[02:04] <fabbione> the_gummibear: FAQ -> sudo
[02:04] <the_gummibear> it keeps giving me 'su: Authentication failure'
[02:04] <oseb> sudo -s than su -
[02:05] <the_gummibear> & again, i'm a bit smarter :)
[02:05] <the_gummibear> then a second question atm.. why can't we use underscores in usernames?
[02:05] <the_gummibear> & is it fixable :p
[02:08] <bob2> or just use 'sudo -s'
[02:08] <the_gummibear> thx :)
[02:09] <melazyboy> ok im installing mplayer from the multiverse
[02:10] <siretart> mplayer is in multiverse? huh?
[02:11] <the_gummibear> i'm trying to install mplayer aswel.. but then the more noobish way prolly :p
[02:11] <siretart> ah, hoary multiverse.. interessting..
[02:11] <bob2> multiverse is by far the easiest way
[02:12] <melazyboy> bob2 Same problem
[02:12] <Tsjoklat> what are you trying to do melazyboy?
[02:12] <melazyboy> alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory
[02:13] <melazyboy> get mplayer to work without using oss
[02:13] <Tsjoklat> and with alsa? sorry for jumping in... just got behind the wheel
[02:13] <melazyboy> i get this error:
[02:13] <melazyboy> alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory
[02:14] <melazyboy> Alot of other users are experiencing it as well
[02:14] <melazyboy> many with Ubuntu
[02:14] <Tsjoklat> ah mmmm I had that too
[02:14] <Tsjoklat> how did I fix that...
[02:14] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: hey! you're back! :)
[02:14] <Tsjoklat> yes another laptop Treenaks :)
[02:14] <SepheeBear> why not try using mplayer with esd?
[02:14] <Tsjoklat> last one though... power better get back on soon
[02:14] <Synek> melazyboy: why not to make ypur own .deb with mplayer? It's not that hard
[02:15] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy pm me
[02:15] <melazyboy> Synek: because i a) don't care to, b) don't know how to fix this problem so me packaging it woulden't really help
[02:16] <the_gummibear> hmm, in what dir should mplayer be installed?
[02:16] <Synek> It could make less problems than one in multiverse?
[02:16] <Synek> ;)
[02:16] <bob2> the_gummibear: /usr/local/mplayer/ is a good place
[02:16] <the_gummibear> thx
[02:18] <the_gummibear> bugger.. gcc etc ain't installed by standard :(
[02:20] <bob2> yup
[02:20] <bob2> install build-essential
[02:21] <the_gummibear> thx again bob2 :)
[02:24] <intinig> is there an mp3 encoder like iTunes that can read CD info from CDDB and encode a cd using id3 tags?
[02:24] <bdale> mako: thanks for the info, even if it's not the answer I was hoping for
[02:25] <jdub> hey bdale
[02:25] <bdale> jdub: jdude!
[02:25] <jdub> heh
[02:25] <Lathiat> haha
[02:26] <the_gummibear> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[02:26] <the_gummibear> what to do about that.. there is X
[02:26] <bob2> xlibs-dev
[02:26] <the_gummibear> you're like superman
[02:26] <bob2> intinig: sound-juicer
[02:27] <intinig> bob2, thx, helpful as usual :D
[02:29] <intinig> bob2, it was already installed and I didn't know
[02:29] <intinig> lol
[02:30] <the_gummibear> under which name is GTK devel packages included in synaptic?
[02:31] <the_gummibear> cause i can't find it by searching on gtk, devel, gtk devel, gtk-devel :(
[02:31] <lexhider> libgtk2.0-dev ?
[02:32] <Tsjoklat> jdub quick question... if you remove gstreamer.. is there a chance your sound is busted
[02:32] <the_gummibear> dunno, if it's that, i'll have a look.. but why didn't it show up after a search for gtk :s
[02:32] <jdub> Tsjoklat: depends how things are configured
[02:32] <lexhider> the_gummibear: no idea, I'm an aptitude user.
[02:33] <intinig> sound juicer can't encode mp3s because it says there's no mp3 codec installed when can I find it?
[02:33] <the_gummibear> no idea how that works ;)
[02:33] <the_gummibear> only used gentoo before
[02:35] <Tsjoklat> jdub so re installing gstreamer could fix it?
[02:35] <jdub> depends on how things are configured
[02:35] <jdub> not enough information :)
[02:35] <Tsjoklat> sorry jdub I am trying to get melazyboy out of a sticky mess
[02:35] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: if you try to play sound using gstreamer, removing gstreamer will break playing sound.
[02:35] <KING^^^> the screen resolution is max 1024 ?
[02:35] <scizzo> intinig: mp3 support isn't standard in ubuntu...you need to follow the link to the RestrictedCodecs or something in the wiki
[02:36] <intinig> thx scizzo
[02:36] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy got a bit overzealous with removing 'stuff'
[02:36] <scizzo> intinig: you might also consider using ogg
[02:36] <scizzo> intinig: its a little better format.. ;)
[02:36] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: as long as he didn't do "apt-get --purge remove libc6" it SHOULD be fixable, probably
[02:37] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy.. before you run to windows... did you do that?
[02:38] <intinig> scizzo, I won't use ogg because my main platform is osx and iTunes doesn't read ogg :)
[02:38] <intinig> I know ogg is better but portability matters more to me right now
[02:38] <lexhider> intinig: I'm so pissed at apple for refusing to support ogg vorbis!
[02:39] <georgia> intinig: there are pretty decent ogg plugins for itunes
[02:40] <intinig> lexhider, if iTunes supported ogg out of the box the world would have been a better place
[02:43] <melazyboy> Whats up guys
[02:44] <lexhider> intinig: I seriously would have considered buying apple hardware if they had ogg support years ago.
[02:45] <pepsi_> eh
[02:45] <intinig> lexhider, ogg support isn't an utmost priority for me, and I am really glad I bought apple :)
[02:45] <intinig> I would never go back
[02:46] <lexhider> intinig: so ubuntu on apple hardware works well?
[02:47] <jdub> very nicely
[02:47] <Lathiat> yep
[02:47] <jdub> apart from wifi on latest apples
[02:47] <Lathiat> only issue is the airport extremes uaren't supported on the laptops [newer ones] 
[02:47] <Lathiat> theres an echo in here :)
[02:48] <traxas> hi, can i ask ~ how much space i need for swap if i will be using Gnome and now have 192MB ram?
[02:49] <Lathiat> traxas: many people use the 1.5*ram rule (i.e. 288mb)
[02:49] <lexhider> traxas: I'm running with 256mb without too many hassles.
[02:49] <lexhider> and 512 swap
[02:49] <traxas> Lathiat some say 2xRAM :)
[02:50] <melazyboy> multiverse isn't supported right?
[02:50] <Lathiat> traxas: yeh, i usually follow 1.5
[02:50] <Lathiat> i mean, the odds are you won't use it all anyway
[02:50] <traxas> hm.. would 300 be enough for normal work?
[02:50] <Lathiat> depending on what your doing
[02:50] <lexhider> melazyboy: don't think so, mplayer appears to be rooted in multiverse.
[02:50] <traxas> nothing much, browzing...openoffice
[02:50] <Lathiat> traxas: openoffice is a bit of a killer, 300mb would be fine tho
[02:50] <melazyboy> lexhider: Yea and its out of date.
[02:50] <melazyboy> 4hrs trying to find my problem
[02:50] <traxas> ok thank you both:)
[02:51] <melazyboy> and its a bug thats been fixed
[02:51] <melazyboy> dear god.
[02:51] <Lathiat> i mean i am running gnome desktop on my 256mb ram system with 52mb free and no swap used
[02:51] <traxas> ooh, so 300 should be more than enough for me :)
[02:52] <lexhider> I'd like a mplayer-build-yourself package that had all the *-dev files so I can easily compile my own mplayer deb.
[02:52] <Lathiat> lexhider: try the marillat archives, i think theyre a bit more up to date
[02:52] <lexhider> traxas: you'll only touch swap if you have a lot of tabs open for example, most the time I'm not touching swap space.
[02:53] <heinz> I need to install a C compiler for GUI but can not log in as root?
[02:53] <siretart> heinz: use sudo
[02:54] <heinz> thsnk you, will try
[02:57] <kent> hmm, it seems that if Fedora is redesigning the initscript (bootprocess) to make it boot faster. Is this something that ubuntu would copy if it turned out to be good? I think the time of booting is one thing i dont like :(
[02:58] <bob2> boot speedup work is already underway
[02:58] <DEAD_MAN_WALKING> alguien habla en espaol?
[02:58] <DEAD_MAN_WALKING> who speak spanish?
[02:58] <b_e_n_z> kent: a custom kernel would definitely speed things up
[02:58] <bob2> #debian-es, por favor
[02:58] <DEAD_MAN_WALKING> oka
[02:58] <funnylookinhat> How do I use apt-get to install a debian package taht I have saved locally?
[02:58] <heinz> How do I log in as root in GUI. I can from console but not GUI?
[02:58] <will> bot is definatly slow :(
[02:59] <will> boot even
[02:59] <will> funnylookinhat: dpkg -i
[02:59] <funnylookinhat> will: ty
[02:59] <kent> b_e_n_z, i dont want to make a custom kernel (make one my self, if thats what you meen). that cant make such a diffrence can it? For me its all the time spent with the init-scripts that seem to take to much time.
[02:59] <b_e_n_z> kent: freebsd has the shortest bootup time, followed closely by gentoo
[03:00] <the_gummibear> my gentoo was idd way faster on the booting.. but it took hours to compile everything (that why i'm on ubuntu now :))
[03:00] <will> is there a 'suspend' mode in linux ACPI in general?
[03:01] <b_e_n_z> will: there is, it's called software suspend 2
[03:01] <bob2> will: suspend-to-ram or -to-disk?
[03:01] <b_e_n_z> the_gummibear: you can always do a GRP install for gentoo
[03:01] <the_gummibear> i know b_e_n_z .. but don't have the time atm to config everything myself :(
[03:02] <will> suspend to disk, lookas good thats how you can get faster 'boot' time!
[03:02] <the_gummibear> now almost everything works without doing manual configs
[03:03] <bob2> will: acpi suspend-to-disk seems kinda dodge, but software suspend should be in hoary
[03:03] <will> cool
[03:03] <will> i just downgraded from hoary.
[03:03] <Kinnison> You can try the unsupported mjg59 kernels for warty
[03:04] <Kinnison> I use them and I have suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk working
[03:04] <the_gummibear> what are the fstab lines to add ntfs/fat32 partitions?
[03:04] <mjg59> Who's the daddy?
[03:04] <the_gummibear> forgot the optoins & dump/pass
[03:04] <b_e_n_z> i personally use the nitro kernel patches with reiser4 and 1Gb low memory support
[03:05] <bob2> Matthew "Shit Hot" Garrett is
[03:05] <lexhider> b_e_n_z: what's the verdict on reiser4?
[03:05] <lifeless> CRACK
[03:05] <mjg59> reiser4 will eat your children and rape your dog
[03:05] <iz> the_gummibear, -t ntfs -o umask=0222 ?
[03:06] <b_e_n_z> lexhider: i read that a lot of Half Life 2 servers run under reiser4
[03:06] <bob2> hahahaha, surprising, that
[03:06] <daniels> b_e_n_z: what do the 'nitro' kernel patches do?
[03:07] <b_e_n_z> daniels: http://www.sepi.be/nitro.php
[03:07] <b_e_n_z> daniels: lots of goodies
[03:07] <b_e_n_z> daniels: reiser4, 1Gb low mem, software suspend 2
[03:07] <bob2> eep
[03:09] <Kamion> the good stuff will go upstream; as for the rest I think we'd prefer to stick with some kind of known stability for the standard kernel. :)
[03:10] <daniels> things you do not want to see as the first sentence of the page about your kernel patchset: 'I know I know, not much updates lately, but school is killing me lately.'
[03:11] <bob2> it sounds an awful lot like -mm
[03:11] <bob2> except without akpm looking after it
[03:13] <mjg59> swsusp2 is SO MUCH CRACK
[03:16] <the_gummibear> where can i find the xmms-skin-dir?
[03:16] <tck> has everyone gotten their shipit cd's ?
[03:17] <bob2> some people have
[03:17] <gen> i haven't
[03:17] <gen> ordered over month ago
[03:17] <tck> aye a mate did too
[03:17] <melazyboy> the_gummibear: 'man xxms|grep skinfiles
[03:17] <tck> not even a date confirmed,
[03:17] <tck> over 2 mths ago
[03:17] <the_gummibear> thx a lot :)
[03:18] <bob2> tck: dependw where you are in the world and when you ordered
[03:18] <bob2> if you ordered in the first batch, they should be there any day now (if not there already)
[03:18] <tck> well i got mine delivered to .ie already
[03:18] <lexhider> tck: about a week ago. I ordered not long after ubuntu announced.
[03:19] <tck> a mate ordered just after me and still hasn't a date
[03:19] <lexhider> I'm in Australia.
[03:20] <__learner___> how can I open some kind of task manager in ubuntu?
[03:20] <Kinnison> task manager?
[03:20] <Netsnipe> hey everyone
[03:21] <gen> system monitor is kind of like that __learner__
[03:21] <Kinnison> __learner___: apps // system tools // system monitor
[03:21] <__learner___> tx
[03:21] <Netsnipe> I just loaded up the live CD just to see how my gnome packages were modified for warty
[03:21] <Netsnipe> = )
[03:22] <__learner___> is there any way to discover the process name of a window?
[03:22] <gen> in system monitor __learner___
[03:22] <bob2> not generally
[03:22] <Kamion> xprop
[03:22] <Kamion> (sort of)
[03:22] <Netsnipe> could someone please explain "- use tracepath instead of (tcp)traceroute (Warty: #2058)." to me?
[03:22] <Kamion> Netsnipe: which package?
[03:22] <Netsnipe> gnome-nettool
[03:23] <__learner___> what are the sh processes?
[03:23] <Netsnipe> I'm just wondering if I should be applying this change back in unstable
[03:23] <Kamion> Netsnipe: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2058
[03:23] <__learner___> sh wish
[03:23] <Kamion> Netsnipe: I think it was just dependency consolidation; we already had tracepath in main
[03:25] <seb128> Netsnipe, we don't have traceroute in main
[03:25] <seb128> Netsnipe, so I've changed it to use tracepath
[03:27] <Netsnipe> seb128, the output is identical?
[03:27] <Netsnipe> I don't know where you guys keep your patches atm = )
[03:27] <traxas> can you help me with non Ubuntu question? :) File size does not match FAT allocation for file. How to fix that? :)
[03:28] <__learner___> tx a lot. You always help me when I need
[03:28] <Netsnipe> in other words, should gnome-nettool really depend on tcptraceroute | traceroute | iputils-tracepath
[03:28] <__learner___> how can I be "identified", some channels are asking for that?
[03:28] <PotajiTo> wenas
[03:28] <Netsnipe> __learner___, install oidentd
[03:29] <Netsnipe> __learner___, or do you mean Nickserv?
[03:29] <gen> i think he means nickserv
[03:29] <__learner___> I mean nickserv
[03:29] <Netsnipe> __learner___, /msg nickserv help register
[03:29] <seb128> Netsnipe, you have the source packages, the patches are in debian/patches for GNOME stuff
[03:29] <__learner___> tx
[03:29] <Netsnipe> seb128, I'm on the Live CD atm.
[03:30] <Netsnipe> seb128, don't have partition space to install warty yet.
[03:30] <Netsnipe> got a few dozen gigs of anime to shift onto DVDs. hehe.
[03:30] <Netsnipe> seb128, ubuntu doesn't have a viewcvs service handy?
[03:31] <__learner___> REGISTER <romulognomo>
[03:31] <lifeless> Netsnipe: we don'tuse cvs :)
[03:31] <__learner___> D...
[03:31] <Netsnipe> lifeless, svn...arch
[03:31] <Netsnipe> version control.
[03:31] <Netsnipe> you know what I mean.
[03:31] <lifeless> :)
[03:31] <Netsnipe> but seeing you're in here
[03:31] <Netsnipe> I guess you've brainwashed everyone into using tla
[03:32] <__learner___> nickserv register
[03:32] <lifeless> thats a slightly biased assessment .... but yes
[03:32] <Netsnipe> __learner___, /msg
[03:33] <Netsnipe> __learner___, /msg nickserv register password
[03:33] <__learner___> thanks
[03:33] <Netsnipe> actually...you probably need a bit more info to register iirc.
[03:33] <__learner___> it worked
[03:33] <Netsnipe> eg. email address
[03:33] <Netsnipe> I hope your password isn't romulognomo
[03:33] <Netsnipe> everyone knows it now if it is = P
[03:35] <seb128> Netsnipe, no, there is no cvs
[03:36] <Netsnipe> don't worry. I found it on ftp.ul.o
[03:37] <Netsnipe> how safe is sscanf?
[03:38] <lifeless> erm. I think you want python or C++ :)
[03:39] <Netsnipe> lifeless, seb128 used sscanf in his patch to gnome-nettool to read output from tracepath
[03:39] <Netsnipe> I'm still on the live cd
[03:39] <Netsnipe> and I cbf mounting random partitions until I can find the original source
[03:39] <seb128> Netsnipe, I don't have added this !
[03:40] <bassinboy> ChibiFS: your theme rocks!
[03:40] <Netsnipe> +  * debian/patches/01_use_tracepath.patch:
[03:40] <bassinboy> oops hes not in here
[03:40] <Netsnipe> + -- Sebastien Bacher <seb128@canonical.com>  Mon,  4 Oct 2004 15:12:40 +0200
[03:40] <seb128> Netsnipe, I think there is already some sscanf in the code and I've already added one extra one
[03:40] <seb128> Netsnipe, read the upstream code first
[03:40] <Netsnipe> seb128, I'm looking for it right now
[03:41] <Netsnipe> things are a bit slow on my box right now
[03:41] <Netsnipe> livecd = )
[03:41] <seb128> Netsnipe, better to look before asking
[03:41] <Netsnipe> seb128, I ain't blaming you for anything.
[03:42] <pepsi_> any ideas as to why my wireless card doesnt work? it shows up in the device manager
[03:42] <seb128> Netsnipe, no you're just starting to ask people if I've added a security problem by using some functions in my patch
[03:42] <Netsnipe> seb128, you're right. upstream is using sscanf
[03:43] <__learner___> do you think I should run j2sdk-1_4_2_04-nb-3_6-bin-linux.bin to get java dev tools installed, or there's another way
[03:43] <Netsnipe> seb128, sorry if I caused offense.
[03:43] <seb128> no problem
[03:43] <ogra> __learner___: several: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[03:44] <Netsnipe> __learner___, personally, I'd install alien from debian unstable, and run it against the 1.5 RPM from java.sun.com
[03:44] <Netsnipe> but I ain't a ubuntu user
[03:44] <ogra> Netsnipe: will you become one ?
[03:44] <Netsnipe> ogra, someone's gotta stick with sid.
[03:45] <ogra> ;)
[03:45] <the_gummibear> only root can mount my windows partitions :( how can i fix that small problem?
[03:45] <Netsnipe> the_gummibear, add user to the options column in fstab
[03:45] <the_gummibear> thx :)
[03:45] <Netsnipe> err..."users"
[03:46] <hunterfighter> i just join ubuntu-translator
[03:46] <hunterfighter> what can i do with it?
[03:47] <Netsnipe> hmm...has anyone in canonical been insane enough to package eclipse 3?
[03:47] <the_gummibear> is there a way to auto-mount them @ boot?
[03:47] <Netsnipe> that might make me jump ship to ubuntu for awhile
[03:47] <Netsnipe> the_gummibear, if it's listed in /etc/fstab and there's no "noauto" in the options list
[03:47] <Netsnipe> the_gummibear, it'll get auto-mounted
[03:47] <Netsnipe> ogra, know anyone crazy enough?
[03:48] <the_gummibear> ah, didn't reboot yet :p that's the problem prolly
[03:48] <Netsnipe> the_gummibear, mount -a
[03:48] <AndyR> lo ppl
[03:48] <Netsnipe> the_gummibear, that'll try to mount everything listed in fstab
[03:48] <Netsnipe> g'day AndyR
[03:48] <the_gummibear> thx Netsnipe :)
[03:48] <Netsnipe> the_gummibear, you're welcome
[03:48] <ogra> Netsnipe: its been discussed for a wile to package it with a free java version.....look at the ubuntu-dev list....i dont know the outcome
[03:49] <AndyR> anyone else running yahoo messenger?
[03:50] <AndyR> is that a no then? :)
[03:51] <Netsnipe> AndyR, I use gaim instead.
[03:51] <ogra> AndyR: doesnt gaim support yahoo ?
[03:51] <AndyR> i have it running, but had to force install
[03:51] <Netsnipe> it can handle basic yahoo messaging
[03:52] <AndyR> i like messenger, but it wants libssl0.9.6 < >
[03:52] <AndyR> ubuntu comes with libssl0.9.7
[03:53] <__learner___> what are good cpp dev tools under ubuntu repository?
[03:54] <bob2> the whole gnu toolchain is in ubuntu
[03:57] <Radi0ShacK> hello
[03:58] <psycose> hi all
[04:03] <Gwildor|work> what happened?, everybody quit?
[04:03] <catdog> netsplit
[04:05] <psycose> well i burn a cd with correct md5sum a friend install it and the base system install failed, as anyone hurd about it ?
[04:05] <rory__> what error?
[04:07] <psycose> sorry rory__ i don't any info ;-)
[04:07] <mjr> (Ubuntu is Linux-based, not Hurd, ehheh)
[04:08] <Synek> ;>
[04:10] <jono> is there a way to check which ttyS[n]  my GPS is attached to? can I do the equivilent of a ping or something?
[04:10] <psycose> hh
[04:11] <Treenaks> jono: open all of them at 4800/8n1 :)
[04:11] <Treenaks> jono: if it's NMEA compliant it should spit out "$GPS" stuff
[04:11] <jono> Treenaks, how do I do that?
[04:12] <psycose> rory__: it sounds like the package could not been read, and his cdrom is ok...
[04:12] <Treenaks> jono: minicom?
[04:12] <HcE> jono: cat /dev/ttyS{0,1,2,3, ...} ? ;)
[04:12] <jono> hmmm
[04:13] <Treenaks> HcE: that won't work without setserial
[04:13] <HcE> Treenaks: that depends if he just want to se if it delivers data, or wants to read something usefull
[04:13] <Treenaks> HcE: _the_ way of detecting a GPS is just opening at 4800 and listening
[04:14] <Treenaks> HcE: 4800 being the important part
[04:14] <HcE> ok
[04:18] <__learner___> do you know some way do unrar rar files under linux?
[04:18] <bob2> with the 'unrar' program
[04:19] <Kinnison> from the 'unrar' package indeed
[04:19] <Kinnison> file-roller can use it, if you install the package :-)
[04:19] <Treenaks> bob2: you can't check for a GPS device using unrar :)
[04:19] <__learner___> tx, so I just need to install the unrar package?
[04:21] <__learner___> no unrar package showing here.
[04:23] <Kinnison> __learner___: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[04:23] <jmhodges> so in hoary, has everybody run into the mono-jit, mono-utils and mono-assemblies-arch not being up to date issue?
[04:23] <jmhodges> er.. it appears to be a depends issue actually..
[04:23] <__learner___> yes, universe is enabled
[04:26] <__learner___> any other way?
[04:29] <bob2> woo/win140
[04:31] <liberion> hey guys can someone help me in getting the source code and source headers for the original ubuntu kernel?
[04:32] <liberion> trying to build modem driver :)
[04:32] <liberion> is the source code on ubuntu cds?
[04:33] <liberion> what is the name of the original kernel-source deb package?
[04:33] <PyGyy> liberion, win modem?
[04:33] <liberion> PyGyy: yes
[04:34] <liberion> PyGyy: right now using evilentity linux with winmodem and runs fine but need source code for kernel and headers to build in ubuntu
[04:35] <spiv> liberion: slmodem?
[04:35] <liberion> PyGyy: just trying to find the right ones not familar much with debian
[04:35] <tahorg> hi
[04:35] <spiv> liberion: If it's a smartlink modem, there are instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:35] <PyGyy> hehehe, EvilE user, eh? Haven't heard anything from them in a while :(
[04:36] <tahorg> Is there any way I can get gstreamer xvid plugin for hoary ?
[04:36] <liberion> spiv: lucent modem i have the source code for it just need the correct kernel source and headers for the ubuntu kernel so i can build driver
[04:37] <PyGyy> When signing up for the Ubuntu CDs... when it asks for "Organization"... do we just leave it blank, if it's for personal use?
[04:37] <liberion> spiv: im looking for the kernel source and headers for the original kernel in the new ubuntu release
[04:38] <Kamion> liberion: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3 is on the CD
[04:39] <Kamion> liberion: the source is linux-source-2.6.8.1
[04:39] <liberion> Kamion: yes thank you but what kernel source do i need ??
[04:42] <liberion> Kamion: i guess i could creat a symlink linux in /usr/src and install the headers correct??
[04:43] <wood1> Hi to all
[04:43] <Synek> hi
[04:43] <wood1> How's your Ubuntu Linux ?
[04:44] <PyGyy> Damn I feel guilty about these free Ubuntu CDs... it doesn't seem they cna be bought :(
[04:44] <liberion> Kamion: i dont want to install the kernel source if its uneeded so do i just make linux in /usr/src and install the headers??
[04:44] <Synek> wood1: mine? fine, i just can't get isdn working properly ;] 
[04:45] <Kamion> liberion: the /usr/src/linux should be unnecessary; I thought all the documentation that mentioned that had gone away in the 1990s or so
[04:45] <Kamion> liberion: linux-headers-* is usually all that's necessary unless the driver build system is broken, AFAIK
[04:46] <liberion> Kamion: well the code for the lucent look for a /usr/src/linux link
[04:46] <Kamion> gross!
[04:46] <wood1> What do I have to add to my sources.list to install FlashPlayer ?
[04:47] <wood1> I forgot how I did it before
[04:47] <mjg59> liberion: You can often get around that by mkdir /usr/src/linux; mkdir /usr/src/linux/include; ln -s /usr/include/linux /usr/src/linux/include; ln -s /usr/include/asm /usr/src/linux/include
[04:47] <Kamion> I'd be inclined to edit the driver Makefile to point at /lib/modules/`uname -r`/headers or whatever it is instead
[04:47] <liberion> mjg59: that a good idea
[04:47] <Kamion> I disagree it's a good idea :)
[04:47] <tritium> This morning's upgrade (I'm running Hoary) took away the "Computer" menu...
[04:48] <liberion> Kamion: yes didnt think of that
[04:48] <tritium> Anybody know the fix?
[04:48] <Kamion> using /usr/include/linux and /usr/include/asm in third-party driver builds is CRACK
[04:48] <__learner___> Is there a way to make .jar and .java programs to execute when clicked?
[04:48] <__learner___> I trid open wih java but it didin worked
[04:48] <Kamion> sorry, /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build, that's the one
[04:49] <wood1> Hoary will take away many things
[04:49] <Kamion> you need linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 to get that symlink
[04:49] <liberion> Kamion: do you have unaltered kernel source?
[04:50] <wood1> Can somebody give me the repositories to be added besides the Universe to install FlashPlayer ?
[04:50] <tritium> wood1, was that reply to me?
[04:50] <Kamion> liberion: our patches are in debian/patches/
[04:51] <wood1> well yes
[04:51] <tritium> It should take away everything under "Computer".  I can't configure gnome now.
[04:51] <liberion> Kamion: i cannot find the headers you talked about on cd
[04:51] <wood1> Well I think that you remove it by accident
[04:51] <wood1> tritium
[04:51] <tritium> wood1, no, all I did was upgrade and dist-upgrade
[04:52] <jdub> tritium: there is no fix, it was intended :-)
[04:52] <jdub> tritium: the new menu system will be patched and fixed later
[04:52] <tritium> jdub, Oh.  Okay...
[04:52] <Kamion> liberion: try installing linux-headers-2.6-386, simpler
[04:52] <wood1> Can you add it by right clicking somewhere on the main taskbar
[04:52] <Kamion> liberion: it's definitely there, I'm looking at the master CD image
[04:52] <Treenaks> jdub: "later" being hours, days, weeks, months or longer?
[04:53] <jdub> days
[04:53] <liberion> Kamion: ok im look can you help me find it?
[04:53] <wood1> How do I install Flash Player in Ubuntu ?
[04:53] <liberion> Kamion: im looking
[04:53] <Treenaks> wood1: you've been here long enough to know that :)
[04:54] <Treenaks> wood1: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:54] <wood1> I have done that but it does not seem to work
[04:54] <Kamion> liberion: hm, not sure how I can help further
[04:54] <tritium> Believe it or not, but many of the packages I need are too old (or not included) in Warty.
[04:54] <dsr> quick question: which package needs to be installed in order to have the ability to compile programs using glu, glut and gl libraries?
[04:54] <tritium> octave-forge is not in Warty, and latex-beamer is old
[04:55] <liberion> wood1: well you can do it this way just download the flashplayer installer extract it and the run it be sure that browser is not runnign
[04:55] <Treenaks> wood1: did you restart your browser
[04:55] <zerokarmaleft> hmm, upgraded to hoary tree but i'm still using xf86...
[04:55] <wood1> Well the command:   apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla does not work
[04:56] <liberion> Kamion: is it linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3_2.6.8.1-16_i386.deb is that it?
[04:56] <dsr> wood1: http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#flash-mozilla
[04:56] <Kamion> zerokarmaleft: install xserver-xorg
[04:56] <tritium> The ability to run Warty and "apt-get install -t hoary ..." a few packages would be nice.
[04:56] <Kamion> liberion: why are you looking for the .deb directly? use synaptic
[04:56] <wood1> dsr, I have tried that too
[04:56] <Amaranth> dsr: You need the -dev version of all of those packages
[04:57] <Kamion> liberion: you want linux-headers-2.6-386_*
[04:57] <wood1> I don't know why that package:   flashplayer-mozilla could not be found
[04:57] <dsr> wood1: did you add the extra repositories?
[04:57] <wood1> Amaranth, do you have any idea, and DSR, I have added the universe thing
[04:57] <dsr> wood1: as it was instructed..
[04:57] <Kamion> liberion: if you don't want to use synaptic, try 'apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-386'
[04:58] <liberion> Kamion: hehe well can use it if modem doesnt work :)
[04:58] <liberion> Kamion: cant
[04:58] <Kamion> liberion: why not?
[04:58] <Kamion> liberion: apt-get can fetch from the CD
[04:58] <dsr> wood1: its in the multiverse
[04:59] <dsr> wood1: which is why if you dont add the other one you wont get it
[04:59] <zerokarmaleft> Kaloz, ya just saw that...thought the dist-upgrade handled it
[04:59] <liberion> Kamion: im not using a debian system and two after i install ubuntu how can i apt get if i cannot access the net?
[04:59] <liberion> Kamion: ohh i see lol sorry
[04:59] <clee> so is there a reason why Ubuntu's gcc doesn't define __AMD64__ or AMD64?
[04:59] <Kamion> liberion: Ubuntu has apt, and apt can access the CD
[04:59] <the_gummibear> configure: error: *** SDL version 1.2.4 not found!
[04:59] <clee> I had to patch something to check for __x86_64__
[05:00] <the_gummibear> is that libsdl or not?
[05:00] <liberion> Kamion: so that will be all i need right?
[05:00] <the_gummibear> cause i have libsdl 1.2.7 ..
[05:00] <tritium> does apt-listbugs work with ubuntu's bugzilla?
[05:00] <Kamion> are __AMD64__ and AMD64 standard? I suspect they're Red Hat extensions or something
[05:00] <Kamion> tritium: no, sorry
[05:00] <Kamion> liberion: should be a good start anyway, but it depends on the driver
[05:00] <clee> Kamion: um, the Ubuntu port is called 'amd64'
[05:00] <clee> Kamion: Red Hat calls it x86_64
[05:00] <tritium> Kamion, no problem, that's just what kept me out of trouble in debian unstable/experimental
[05:00] <Kamion> clee: uh-huh, but at a kernel/toolchain level it's still x86_64
[05:01] <Kamion> clee: we don't munge the toolchain at that kind of level
[05:01] <clee> Kamion: right. but we don't define any AMD64 stuff.
[05:01] <clee> where we == Red Hat.
[05:01] <wood1> DSR, you mean adding:   deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[05:01] <clee> so I don't get why you'd think it was an extension that we added.
[05:01] <Kamion> clee: so why did you ask about __AMD64__ and AMD64? I assumed you asked that because RH had them!
[05:01] <clee> Kamion: No, I'm asking it because the fd.o xserver uses them and I had to add a check for __x86_64__ instead, and you guys call it AMD64, and not x86_65
[05:01] <clee> er, x86_64
[05:02] <Kamion> clee: no, we call the dpkg-level architecture amd64
[05:02] <jdub> [05:02] <Kamion> clee: dpkg architecture != kernel/toolchain architecture
[05:02] <clee> Kamion: ok, then.
[05:02] <clee> must be SUSE that does it as AMD64 then
[05:02] <Kamion> ah, could be
[05:02] <wood1> Can somebody tell me what I have to add in my sources.list to install Flash Player ???
[05:02] <Kamion> #define __x86_64 1
[05:02] <Kamion> #define __x86_64__ 1
[05:02] <Kamion> #define __amd64__ 1
[05:02] <Kamion> #define __amd64 1
[05:03] <Kamion> clee: so, there's both
[05:03] <Kamion> clee: but that must be an upstream gcc thing
[05:03] <clee> Kamion: aha. so the source is using caps, that'd be why.
[05:04] <clee> (as in, AMD64 instead of amd64)
[05:04] <wood1> Somebody has any ideas why I can't install Flash Player in Warty ???
[05:04] <Kamion> clee: cool
[05:04] <clee> Kamion: thanks for the help :)
[05:05] <Kamion> clee: np, sorry for the earlier confusion
[05:05] <liberion> Kamion: what confuses me about the kernel headers is that they have like 2.6.8.1-3 then 2.6.8.1-16 why is that?
[05:07] <Kamion> liberion: 2.6.8.1-3 is kernel version plus module ABI; 2.6.8.1-16 is the package version. Yes, it's a bit confusing
[05:07] <liberion> Kamion: what is module abi
[05:09] <Kamion> liberion: basically when the 3 changes to 4, third-party modules break and have to be recompiled
[05:10] <liberion> Kamion: what is the difference between linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386_2.6.8.1_i386.deb and linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3_2.6.8.1-16_i386.deb they look alike??
[05:10] <Kamion> liberion: happens with certain changes to the kernel that affect how modules interact with it
[05:10] <Kamion> liberion: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 contains some extra stuff specific to the -386 kernel; linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3 is the generic part that applies to all the kernels
[05:10] <liberion> Kamion: ok so abi is application binary interface correct??
[05:10] <Kamion> yes
[05:11] <liberion> lol
[05:11] <liberion> Kamion: im a rouge developer just never really used debian lol
[05:11] <liberion> Kamion: where do ya live?
[05:12] <trans_err> even though I have nagp "1" in my xf86config agpgart still loads... how can I stop it?
[05:12] <Rene_S> Hmm is it my imagination or did the Applications and Actions menu change in Hoary ?
[05:12] <liberion> trans_err: itll load if you use nvagp lol
[05:13] <Rene_S> Could have sworn It said Applications and Computer  2 days ago
[05:13] <liberion> trans_err: it used an nvidia specific driver for agp but it also need agpgart
[05:13] <Kamion> liberion: Cambridge, England
[05:14] <Kinnison> mjg59: around?
[05:14] <liberion> Kamion: cool im in kentucky in the united states
[05:15] <liberion> Kamion: so the first headers are what i need because the are specific to the kernel im using
[05:15] <bit0> hello
[05:15] <Kamion> liberion: just install linux-headers-2.6-386 with your package manager of choice (apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, whatever) and be happy. :-)
[05:15] <bit0> ubuntu uses 0.5pre Morphix liveCD?
[05:16] <Kamion> liberion: it'll pull in anything else it needs
[05:17] <the_gummibear> checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.4... no
[05:17] <the_gummibear> is this the libsdl they are checking for?
[05:17] <mjg59> Kinnison: Yo
[05:17] <Kinnison> mjg59: HP nc6000 laptop
[05:17] <mjg59> Kinnison: Mmm
[05:17] <Kinnison> mjg59: echo -n standby > /sys/power/state --> no suspendy
[05:18] <mjg59> Oh, interesting
[05:18] <funnylookinhat> ,help wireless
[05:18] <Kinnison> mjg59: echo -n 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep -> suspendy
[05:18] <mjg59> How weird
[05:18] <liberion> Kamion: ok im off to install ubuntu wish me luck
[05:18] <Kinnison> mjg59: suspendy !-> wakeyuk
[05:18] <Kinnison> s/k$/p/
[05:18] <funnylookinhat> liberion: good luck dude, it ain't tough... easy install
[05:19] <Kinnison> mjg59: As in, the power button doesn't even seem to persuade the laptop to *try* to wake up
[05:19] <liberion> trans_err: if you commented out nvagp then agpgart would not show up nvidia driver needs it :)
[05:19] <mjg59> Kinnison: I bet it's much the same problem as with the nc4000 series
[05:19] <Kinnison> mjg59: possibly. It's quite odd though
[05:20] <mjg59> If you could get me a lspci, that would be great
[05:20] <Kinnison> sure
[05:20] <Kamion> liberion: good luck
[05:20] <mjg59> The difference between /sys/power/state and /proc/acpi/sleep is weird. I'll look into that.
[05:20] <mjg59> Keybuk: lspci from you as well, please
[05:21] <Kinnison> mjg59: lspci -vxxx ?
[05:21] <funnylookinhat> where is default linux build directory that matches running kernel???
[05:21] <Kinnison> /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build ?
[05:21] <Keybuk> mjg59: http://www.netsplit.com/text/nc4010.html
[05:22] <mjg59> Kinnison: Sure
[05:22] <Keybuk> (at the bottom)
[05:22] <Kinnison> mjg59: which email address (for the nc6000 lspci?)
[05:24] <mjg59> Kinnison: @codon.org.uk
[05:24] <mjg59> Keybuk: Ah! It's an ATI chipset.
[05:24] <mjg59> Interesting.
[05:24] <dsr> Well, here is another question: ld.so.conf has the /usr/X11R6/lib path. The problem is, whenever I try to link a compiled program using the libXi (-lXi), which I verified is installed, I get the following error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXi
[05:25] <mjg59> I can't find any cases of suspend/resume being broken with Intel chipsets, but pretty much every other chipset seems to fail
[05:25] <Kamion> dsr: ld.so.conf isn't relevant to ld; make sure you're passing -L/usr/X11R6/lib to ld
[05:25] <the_gummibear> checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.4... no
[05:26] <the_gummibear> it's installed?
[05:26] <the_gummibear> should it need the devel files?
[05:26] <dsr> kamion: oh really? well thats good to know :P
[05:26] <Kinnison> mjg59: sent
[05:27] <mjg59> Kinnison: Thanks
[05:28] <dsr> Kamion: out of curiosity, what is ld.so.conf use?
[05:28] <Kamion> dsr: ld.so, the runtime link loader
[05:28] <Kamion> dsr: i.e. the thing that works out what libraries to load when you start a program
[05:29] <dsr> Kamion: oh, and is there any way to globally add the X11R6 lib path system wide
[05:29] <mjg59> Haha. Arse. Having said that, the nc6000 is an Intel chipset
[05:29] <Gwildor|work> Keybuk, is that you lappy on the link you posted?, is so, wanna sell the Dell Latitude LS?
[05:32] <Kamion> dsr: source packages should always add -L/usr/X11R6/lib one way or another; if that's using a tool like pkg-config or some other build tool, all well and good
[05:32] <Kamion> dsr: I don't know if there's a way to change ld's default behaviour, but I wouldn't recommend it. It'd make it too easy for you to produce source packages that don't build on other people's systems.
[05:33] <njs12345> hm
[05:33] <enabl> is anyone using sata drives and dvd writers,and getting good write speeds
[05:33] <njs12345> I upgraded to Hoary today
[05:33] <njs12345> and now when I start gdm it appears to be starting another X server as well
[05:33] <njs12345> and the two conflict, so it doesn't work
[05:34] <njs12345> eh.. startx works fine
[05:35] <zerokarmaleft> njs12345, just upgraded today too...took a bit of tweaking but everything's working fine
[05:36] <Kosai> 'lo all.
[05:36] <Keybuk> Gwildor: I still use the Dell for testing and stuff
[05:36] <zerokarmaleft> composites in xorg is so sluggish...
[05:36] <Keybuk> mjg59: yah, it's a Radeon
[05:36] <Keybuk> but spiv's isn't
[05:40] <the_gummibear> configure: error: Cannot find Tcl library
[05:40] <the_gummibear> what part of tcl is that?
[05:41] <the_gummibear> installed libgtcl but that didn't work
[05:41] <mjg59> Keybuk: ATI motherboard chipset as well, though
[05:41] <lamont_r> the_gummibear: it'll be a -dev package
[05:42] <the_gummibear> installed lipgtcl-dev & tcl8.4-dev aswel :s but still i didn't do a thing
[05:42] <the_gummibear> *it didn't do a thing
[05:42] <funnylookinhat> Anyone know the link for help setting up wireless networking on ubuntu?/
[05:43] <farruinn> How does one change the KDE interface from within gnome?  I only need to run one KDE program from within gnome, but I really can't tolerate the default KDE theme
[05:43] <Keybuk> mjg59: ah, yes
[05:43] <farruinn> funnylookinhat, have you searched the wiki?
[05:43] <funnylookinhat> farruinn: located at ubuntuforums.org?
[05:44] <farruinn> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[05:44] <freebase> my apt-get is fucked ut thanks to kde
[05:44] <freebase> how do i remove kde?
[05:45] <ulisse> Hi channel!
[05:45] <zerokarmaleft> njs12345, get xf86 removed?
[05:45] <ulisse> I'm having troubles updating gnome-menus
[05:45] <funnylookinhat> farruinn: Ahh, found it. Thanks, I was searching the wrong site.
[05:46] <ulisse> is it the same for you?
[05:46] <njs12345> hm?
[05:46] <Riddell> freebase: try  putting [General] \nwidgetStyle=plastik in /etc/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals
[05:46] <njs12345> so what, is it something to do with the switch to xorg?
[05:46] <ulisse> (on hoary, sorry, I forgot to say this...)
[05:46] <zerokarmaleft> njs12345, you said earlier that gdm was starting two x servers
[05:46] <njs12345> yeah
[05:47] <farruinn> how does gdm start an x server?  doesn't an x server have to be running for gdm to even function?
[05:47] <njs12345> farruinn: no, it starts one
[05:47] <farruinn> (maybe I don't understand X11 very well)
[05:47] <njs12345> or in my case, two
[05:47] <njs12345> well
[05:47] <njs12345> I mean it does need an X server running
[05:47] <njs12345> but it starts one anyway
[05:47] <farruinn> so it's opening two screens (:0 and :1)?
[05:48] <njs12345> no, that's the strange thing
[05:48] <njs12345> it starts one (that's the GDM one, it has the Ubuntu cursor)
[05:48] <njs12345> and then another one with the generic X server icon
[05:48] <farruinn> wow, that is strange
[05:48] <zerokarmaleft> that's weird
[05:49] <njs12345> startx works fine though, so I'm under X now
[05:49] <funnylookinhat> Is it bad if my kernel source tree is all biffed up?
[05:49] <zerokarmaleft> what's in /var/gdm?
[05:49] <zerokarmaleft> are there log files for a second screen?
[05:49] <zerokarmaleft> /var/log/gdm, i mean
[05:49] <njs12345> yeah, there are
[05:49] <njs12345> I looked through them already
[05:49] <njs12345> they don't really tell that much
[05:50] <ulisse> noone having troubles dist-upgrading hoary today?
[05:50] <njs12345> ulisse: me, I guess ;) I had no problems before
[05:50] <ulisse> njs12345, I'm having troubles with gnome-menus
[05:51] <ulisse> njs12345, and you?
[05:51] <Ng> ooh, that's in, si it?
[05:51] <njs12345> I have the dual Xservs starting
[05:51] <zerokarmaleft> njs12345, does it happen when you launch gdm manually?  maybe your init script got borked
[05:51] <njs12345> yeah, it does
[05:51] <njs12345> hmm
[05:52] <njs12345> is there a way to detach my irssi instance and add it onto another terminal?
[05:52] <Ng> njs12345: only if you run it with screen
[05:52] <Telep> njs12345: if you're running it inside a screen
[05:52] <Telep> :D
[05:53] <njs12345> bah
[05:55] <ulisse> So I am the only one with troubles with gnome-menus?
[05:55] <falco> hi
[05:55] <ulisse> I get this error:
[05:55] <farruinn> apparently the only one that's here right now running hoary
[05:56] <ulisse> :-)
[05:56] <ulisse> please, try to help me..
[05:56] <farruinn> that's a funky error ;-)
[05:56] <ulisse> I'll translate the error:
[05:56] <njs12345> lol
[05:57] <ulisse> it seems that gnome-menus pkg tries to overwrite /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu, that is in the kdelibs-data pkg
[05:58] <njs12345> just curious
[05:58] <njs12345> why did you choose Ubuntu if you want to run KDE?
[05:58] <farruinn> perhaps ulisse, like me, isn't trying to run kde, only a couple apps from KDE that don't have gnome counterparts =(
[05:58] <ulisse> I'm running Gnome, of course, but if I try to remove kdelibs-data it says that he have to remove Gnome-panel too
[05:58] <jdub_> ulisse: there is no fix for this at the moment
[05:59] <jdub_> ulisse: the gnome-menus change was just made, we're looking into how to fix it atm
[05:59] <ulisse> farruinn, U'r right! I have K3B
[06:00] <farruinn> there are at least some apps in gnome though that provide the functionality that K3B does, however I don't know of any gnome music notation software
[06:00] <kent> Its kind of a shame that Gnome does not have a good cd/dvd burning application :(
[06:00] <ulisse> jdub_, so I have only to wait for the next update, right?
[06:00] <njs12345> kent: I think nautilus-cd-burner is becoming better
[06:00] <farruinn> which reminds me, anyone know how to change the qt theme if you don't have kde installed?
[06:00] <njs12345> but normally I just use the console.. easier
[06:00] <seb128> ulisse, dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-menu.....
[06:00] <farruinn> cdrecord all the way! haha
[06:00] <Riddell> freebase: try  putting [General] \nwidgetStyle=plastik in /etc/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals
[06:00] <seb128> ulisse, just overwritte the file in this way
[06:01] <seb128> dunno the effect on KDE
[06:01] <seb128> perhaps it breaks the KDE menu
[06:01] <Gwildor|work> good!
[06:01] <kent> njs12345, Does not nautilus-cd-burner only burn data?  most people will want to burn music, videos etc.  K3b can do that.
[06:01] <ulisse> seb128, no problems, I am running Gnome!
[06:01] <njs12345> oh
[06:01] <njs12345> I think "coaster" is going to be used for that :)
[06:01] <freebase> Riddell: i dont have any dir /kde-profile/
[06:02] <kent> njs12345, yeah..  coaster seems like a very nice program to wait for :)
[06:02] <njs12345> :)
[06:02] <mxpxpod> njs12345 and kent: yes, it's going to be able to do that
[06:02] <jdub_> ulisse: well, perhaps :)
[06:03] <mxpxpod> is ubuntu going to modify gnome-menus to have the menus in the panel be the same as warty?
[06:03] <jdub_> mxpxpod: yes
[06:03] <mxpxpod> jdub_: ok, just checking
[06:03] <jdub_> mxpxpod: see ubuntu-devel
[06:03] <freebase> Riddell: i tried to install kde but some error came up, now i cant apt-get install other apps
[06:03] <trans_err> I went through the faq's on the wiki (and tried a manual install) and I can't get the java plugin to load
[06:03] <ulisse> jdub_, the seb128 fix seems to work
[06:03] <trans_err> it simply won't load on my installed copy of firefox 1.0 and I get errors when I start .9
[06:04] <Tomcat_> The Ubuntu wiki won't send me a password... I've now registered for the second time. :o
[06:04] <Riddell> freebase: sudo apt-get -f install  or force install with  sudo dpkg --install /var/cache/apt/archive/whatever-the-bad-package-was.deb
[06:04] <trans_err> No such file or directory/home/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so:
[06:05] <trans_err> can someone help me figure this out- i've never had a problem before
[06:05] <mxpxpod> jdub_: I like the proposal
[06:05] <njs12345> trans_err, that looks like an incorrect symlink
[06:05] <trans_err> that's what I figured
[06:05] <trans_err> but I can't find it
[06:06] <jdub> ulisse: that's not a fix, that's a workaround :)
[06:06] <trans_err> what is the default firefox plugins path?
[06:06] <ulisse> Yeah, man!
[06:06] <freebase> Riddell: same error :/
[06:06] <intinig> why is ogg encoding so god slow with sound juicer?
[06:07] <intinig> 80 minutes to encode a 74 minutes cd :(
[06:07] <intinig> s/god/dog
[06:07] <trans_err> I installed the jre .bin, copied the contents to /usr/lib... added the bin to my PATH and copied the plugin to /usr/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[06:08] <Riddell> freebase: sudo dpkg --force-install /var/cache/apt/archive/foo.deb
[06:08] <Kamion> do you mean --force-overwrite or something?
[06:08] <Kamion> I don't think --force-install exists; it's not documented anyway
[06:09] <njs12345> trans_err, that's kinda the wrong approach I think ;)
[06:09] <trans_err> this is driving me insane-- does anyone have a solution to this? this isn't supposed ot be difficult
[06:09] <trans_err> njs12345, please what's the right approach?
[06:10] <trans_err> njs12345, that's what I've done for every other distro
[06:10] <njs12345> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:10] <njs12345> follow the first one of those
[06:10] <trans_err> njs12345, yeah I've tried that too
[06:10] <njs12345> I think
[06:11] <davmor2> trans_err what is the problem
[06:11] <trans_err> davmor2, I can't get the java plugin to load
[06:11] <trans_err> I've tried the ubuntu way and the sun way- and either way... no java plugin
[06:11] <davmor2> what for
[06:12] <trans_err> what for? firefox?
[06:13] <davmor2> I haven't had a problem I just went on my home page that i know is java and clicked on the link at the top of the browser
[06:14] <trans_err> davmor2, how did you install? I can't get firefox to load the plugin
[06:14] <davmor2> but failing that have you put all the java apt packages in
[06:14] <trans_err> yeah
[06:18] <Zoohouse> hello everyone
[06:18] <njs12345> hey
[06:18] <davmor2> I didn't need to install firefox did it
[06:18] <Zoohouse> I just installed ubuntu lastnight
[06:18] <njs12345> oo, me too Zoohouse :)
[06:18] <trans_err> davmor2, how so?
[06:18] <davmor2> zoohouse congratulations
[06:19] <davmor2> trans_err when you go on a java enabled page a bar across the top of the browser opens saying there is a plugin available click on it
[06:20] <trans_err> yeah- it says the plugin is not available
[06:21] <trans_err> and I can click on manual install or nothing at all
[06:22] <trans_err> ?
[06:22] <Zoohouse> Im having a tad of a problem with the menu... I install apps via synapitc but the apps i install dont appear in my Application menu
[06:23] <Zoohouse> trans_err: are you talking about firefox?
[06:23] <trans_err> Zoohouse, yeah
[06:24] <davmor2> trans_err no idea now mate sorry you can install the source quite easily though just follow the mozilla folder til you find firefox then follow firefox till you get to the plugins folder make a note of the path.  ./java.....   it asks you for the install path type it in away you go
[06:24] <zAo^> My hostresolving is very slow (3 seconds per IP), in Windows it isnt. What can be the problem? Where to look? Thanks in advance.
[06:25] <trans_err> davmor2, what?
[06:25] <trans_err> davmor2, install the source?
[06:25] <Zoohouse> trans_err: ubuntu comes with the older ver of firefox that doesn't support auto plugin download
[06:25] <trans_err> Zoohouse, I have the newer version
[06:25] <Zoohouse> oh
[06:26] <davmor2> TRANS_err are you running it though I made the mistake of running the old one
[06:26] <trans_err> davmor2, no
[06:26] <trans_err> davmor2, I have a symlink is /usr/local/bin
[06:27] <Zoohouse> When i download a deb package, whick one do i need to use? stable/woody, testing/sarge, unstable/sid  ?
[06:27] <trans_err> Zoohouse, preferably ubuntu's
[06:27] <trans_err> Zoohouse, sarge usually works though
[06:27] <davmor2> how do you know it isn't installed
[06:27] <Zoohouse> but they have no ubuntus packages
[06:27] <kent> is there any coaster .deb's for Ubuntu out there? It has some dependency's that the ubuntu archive dont have (bakery etc) so i cant compile it :(
[06:29] <freebase> Riddell: /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb tryin to overwrite /usr/bin/fileshareset ...blabla broken pipe
[06:29] <Zoohouse> How do i refreash my menu? I cant see apps that i just installed in my menu.
[06:29] <seb128> Zoohouse, all the applications don't have a .desktop file so a menu entry
[06:29] <seb128> the menu should be automatically updated
[06:30] <seb128> if it doesn't just killall gnome-panel
[06:30] <Riddell> freebase: if you're using hoary I advise using my KDE pacakges "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main"
[06:31] <freebase> Riddell: ok thnx i'll try that
[06:31] <trans_err> wow this is rediculous- I can't believe that I can't get the java plugin to install
[06:32] <Gwildor|work> trans_err, from firefox?
[06:32] <trans_err> ubuntu needs to fix this, or something is seriously wrong with my system
[06:32] <Gwildor|work> trans_err, are you following the wiki???
[06:32] <trans_err> Gwildor|work, yes
[06:32] <trans_err> Gwildor|work, to the T
[06:33] <trans_err> Gwildor|work, and it gives me strange errors
[06:33] <trans_err> /home/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory/home/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so:
[06:33] <Gwildor|work> you using 386?
[06:33] <trans_err> I can't though, for the life of me find that symlink
[06:33] <siretart> trans_err: try makeing a java dpkg using java-package, that enabled plugin instantly for me
[06:34] <trans_err> siretart, I've tried 5 times now
[06:34] <siretart> trans_err: or alternativly you could try the dpkg by blackdown, but I havn't tried them.
[06:34] <trans_err> siretart, i really need sun's java
[06:34] <siretart> trans_err: sad to hear. what went wrong?
[06:34] <trans_err> siretart, I can't figure it out
[06:35] <trans_err> siretart, I've never had a problem like this- I've been using debian for years
[06:36] <siretart> trans_err: what about producing the .debs with java package under debian and installing into your ubuntu?
[06:36] <njs12345> hm.. this is strange
[06:36] <njs12345> Evolution setup assistant keeps crashing
[06:36] <trans_err> siretart, heh- I diteched debian for ubuntu
[06:36] <njs12345> s/crashing/freezing/
[06:37] <alexissoft> coucou
[06:39] <njs12345> hmm
[06:39] <trans_err> got it!
[06:39] <trans_err> I had an old plugin left over from a manual install in ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[06:39] <siretart> trans_err: what was wrong?
[06:39] <njs12345> anyone know why Evolution would be hanging during the setup assistant (where you add new accounts and such)
[06:39] <siretart> ah
[06:40] <trans_err> finally
[06:40] <freebase> Riddell: same errors, how do i delete kde
[06:42] <Zoohouse> i tried apt-get install ~/<packagename>sarge.deb but it didn't work... How do you do it?
[06:42] <njs12345> Zoohouse: use dpkg
[06:42] <Kinnison> dpkg --install /path/to/gooble.deb
[06:42] <b00gie> hello ppl... any ide how to run OOo under amd64 arch?:\
[06:42] <b00gie> idea*
[06:44] <Zoohouse> Ekkk, i cant install i368 on a 64 box? " package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)"
[06:45] <njs12345> nope
[06:45] <njs12345> if there's a source package I think you could install that (probably)
[06:45] <zerokarmaleft> hmm, mono packages on ubuntu repositories are out of sync
[06:45] <zerokarmaleft> b/c of the 1.04 release
[06:50] <Simira> how's that synaptic bof for newbies?
[06:52] <Gwildor|work> huh?
[06:52] <Gwildor|work> synaptic is great, helped me out when I just started
[06:52] <jdub> Simira: it's up next
[06:53] <Gwildor|work> what is synaptic bof?
[06:53] <Gwildor|work> bof?
[06:53] <jdub> Gwildor|work: it's a user packaging tools bof, not so much about synaptic
[06:53] <Simira> jdub, I know that, but I wonderet about if I'd get something from it, being a newbie with Ubuntu and Linux...
[06:53] <jdub> Gwildor|work: oh, birds of a feather meeting
[06:53] <jdub> Simira: probably, you will see our awesome tools coming in hoary :)
[06:55] <Simira> well, it might be worth my precious time than, as I'm not completely comfortable with Synaptic
[06:55] <Simira> my package database is named "Tollef, what do I install to..."
[06:56] <cristiano> hi guys! someone can tell me a valid source for debian sid to add to the sources.list file?thank u!^^
[06:56] <Simira> than/then
[06:56] <bob2> cristiano: please don't, it's a very bad idea
[06:57] <derJunior> hi@all
[06:57] <Gwildor|work> hi
[06:57] <derJunior> how can i install k3b when i use the universe sources?
[06:57] <Gwildor|work> apt-get install k3b
[06:57] <Gwildor|work> sudo apt-get
[06:57] <cristiano> argh! i need to download the binary of KDevelop and i'd like to let synaptic solving all dependencies
[06:57] <derJunior> Gwildor|work: i am root :)
[06:58] <Gwildor|work> derJunior, kk then
[06:58] <zenwhen> are you IRC'ing as root?
[06:58] <Gwildor|work> HEY Ruffian|Q|
[06:58] <derJunior> zenwhen: im not such an noob :)
[06:58] <cristiano> btw on debian sources there are a lot of updated programs which are not on the the ubuntu sources
[06:58] <zenwhen> oh good
[06:58] <RuffianSoldier> hey
[06:59] <derJunior> Gwildor|work: i get an error because the depencies
[06:59] <derJunior> k3b: Hngt ab: k3blibs (>= 0.11.12) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[06:59] <derJunior>        Hngt ab: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.2.3) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[06:59] <derJunior>        Hngt ab: libarts1 (>= 1.2.3) ist aber nicht installierbar
[06:59] <derJunior>        Hngt ab: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.3-3) ist aber nicht installierbar
[06:59] <derJunior>        Hngt ab: kdebase-bin soll aber nicht installiert werden
[06:59] <bob2> cristiano: yes, because you're comparing ubuntu stable to debian unstable
[06:59] <cristiano> mmm
[06:59] <zenwhen> cristiano, that is well known by all, and the solution it to upgrade to hoary.
[06:59] <farruinn> cristiano, that's because the ubuntu release (warty) is frozen, as in will not change except for security updates
[06:59] <Gwildor|work> derJunior, I have no idea what that says, nor a fix
[06:59] <cristiano> zenwhen, what is "hoary"?
[06:59] <bob2> cristiano: it's the ubuntu unstable version
[06:59] <zenwhen> warty isn't bleeding edge
[07:00] <zenwhen> Hoary is more so
[07:00] <cristiano> so guys which solution u have to suggest to me?
[07:00] <derJunior> Gwildor|work:  the first 4 and the 6th says: it isn't installabl and the 5th means's it shouldn't be installed
[07:00] <farruinn> cristiano, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[07:00] <bob2> cristiano: why do you "need" a newer kdevelop?
[07:01] <cristiano> i don't have it yet, so u think it's suitable what i find with synaptic?
[07:01] <zenwhen> cristiano, it isn't exactly going to be ancient.
[07:01] <cristiano> zenwhen ah ok^^
[07:02] <cristiano> btw guys do u know a nice game for linux to play?^__^
[07:02] <farruinn> I'm much happier to have a stable, frozen system than the bleeding edge (they call it bleeding edge for a reason!)
[07:02] <zenwhen> cristiano, prozen bubble :)
[07:02] <derJunior> cristiano: return to castle wolfenstein
[07:02] <zenwhen> frozen*
[07:02] <derJunior> cristiano: or really great ist pingus (is like lemmings)
[07:02] <zenwhen> Quake 3, Doom 3, UT2K4
[07:03] <cristiano> derJunior is it free?!?!O__O
[07:03] <cristiano> guys i mean free games :P:P:P
[07:03] <zenwhen> Enemy Territory is free.
[07:03] <zenwhen> I think.
[07:03] <derJunior> pingus ist free
[07:03] <Gwildor|work> ET is free
[07:03] <zenwhen> Bzflag.
[07:03] <cristiano> ok ok i'll try them one by one ^__^
[07:04] <farruinn> haha, yes bzflag - too bad I dont have a good graphics card for it
[07:05] <derJunior> has someone ubuntu universe and k3b installed?
[07:05] <cristiano> where i can find enemy territory? is it nice?
[07:05] <derJunior> i don't understand why i can't install k3b
[07:05] <derJunior> on this machine
[07:05] <funky> cristiano: its nice
[07:07] <cristiano> funky: thx!^__^ i'm looking for it on the web;)
[07:07] <funky> cristiano: you should try urbanterror too (urbanterror.net) a q3a total conversion
[07:08] <derJunior> noone?
[07:08] <funky> its free, but it works on q3 engine
[07:08] <farruinn> derJunior what does apt-get install k3b tell you?
[07:08] <funky> someday will be released under rtcw engine
[07:08] <Gwildor|work> funky, do I need any game data, or is it all supplied?
[07:08] <farruinn> it's possible you have to build it from source (I know that almost all of the KDE ppc packages are only in source on warty)
[07:09] <funky> Gwildor|work: what game ? ET or Urt ?
[07:09] <funky> with UrT you need at least the q3a demo
[07:09] <Gwildor|work> so I need game data
[07:09] <Gwildor|work> thnx :)
[07:09] <Gwildor|work> I have ET
[07:10] <funky> UrT is CS-like
[07:10] <Gwildor|work> im gonna check it out when I get home
[07:10] <Gwildor|work> hope my radeon 7000 with mesa drivers can hack it
[07:11] <derJunior> farruinn: i have installed it on another computer successful
[07:11] <cristiano> funky so for urban terror i need W3?
[07:11] <cristiano> q3?
[07:11] <funky> cristiano: <funky> with UrT you need at least the q3a demo
[07:11] <derJunior> farruinn: tell me how i change the console language in english and i can tell you the error
[07:11] <funky> crimsun: next time read before asking ;-P
[07:12] <cristiano> funky ah ok thx^^
[07:14] <cristiano> guys even AmericasArmy is very nice but the linux version is stopped at 2.1.0 :((( i have the 2.2.1 under winzoz :P
[07:14] <farruinn> derJunior, that's complicated, can you just run it through babelfish or something?
[07:14] <derJunior> farruinn: i can traslate it manual :)
[07:15] <Se7h> can someone help me enable java ?
[07:15] <derJunior> can i send it in querry?
[07:15] <derJunior> or should i use nopaste?
[07:15] <bob2> Se7h: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:15] <kent> is there any programs for linux to program the "infinity usb", a card that programs smartcards for satelites..  ?
[07:15] <farruinn> derJunior erm, if it's not long here is fine
[07:16] <derJunior> no it ist too long , i use nopaste one moment :)
[07:18] <derJunior> farruinn: http://www.nopaste.info/?id=74
[07:18] <derJunior> here it ist (with babelfish translation
[07:19] <derJunior> oh my god all in one line
[07:20] <farruinn> is this on amd64 you said?
[07:20] <derJunior> farruinn: no
[07:20] <derJunior> normal pc
[07:20] <cristiano> mmm i have a problem trying to download ET from its site...it opens the .run file, not downloads it :(
[07:20] <darren> Anyone available to help? Just a lil' question
[07:20] <derJunior> pentium
[07:20] <derJunior> III
[07:21] <farruinn> cristiano, curl is a great utility
[07:21] <hobbo> hi evbody!
[07:21] <darren> I've downloaded the Ubuntu warty iso via the torrent from the website, is it only a one disk install?
[07:21] <Ribs> darren: yes.
[07:21] <derJunior> darren: yes
[07:22] <hobbo> hey, could anybody tell me just about how to get the flash plugin install for my firefox?
[07:22] <derJunior> farruinn: i can't understand, cause i have installed k3b on another machine 4 weeks ago
[07:22] <darren> ok, thanks Ribs derJunior
[07:22] <funky> apt-get install mozilla-flashplayer
[07:22] <hobbo> i know, bloody newby, but i'm getting into it
[07:22] <farruinn> derJunior, this is hoary, no?
[07:23] <hobbo> is that the exact line?
[07:23] <farruinn> prepend with sudo
[07:23] <funky> yes, but you must add universe repository
[07:23] <funky> or multiverse, i dunno
[07:23] <hobbo> hm
[07:23] <hobbo> is there a way you could tell me howto in 2 lines?
[07:23] <derJunior> farruinn: can u use another word vor hoary?
[07:24] <SmokingFire> what program should I use for my tvtuner?
[07:24] <bur[n] er> SmokingFire: to do what?  watch tv?
[07:24] <derJunior> farruinn: i am root, i don't need to use sudo
[07:24] <bur[n] er> or capture?
[07:24] <SmokingFire> I remember vagualy something two years ago on mandrake called xaw <something>
[07:24] <cristiano> farruin what is the "curly" utility?
[07:24] <SmokingFire> bur[n] er: to watch tv.
[07:24] <farruinn> cristiano curl
[07:25] <cristiano> and btw how to took all the infos on the main screen of bxflag
[07:25] <bur[n] er> oh crap, forgot i was in #ubuntu ;)  i don't know any gnome-based apps for tv stuff
[07:25] <cristiano> farruin curl sorry^^
[07:25] <bur[n] er> sorry
[07:25] <SmokingFire> ok
[07:25] <farruinn> derJunior, that was for hobbo.  Hoary is the development release, not the stable release (warty)
[07:25] <bur[n] er> SmokingFire: zapping?
[07:26] <hobbo> for me?
[07:26] <eruin> gaim changelog: * Eliminate MSN switchboard errors (Felipe Contreras)
[07:26] <eruin> I'm LOVING that
[07:26] <eruin> :)
[07:26] <hobbo> didnt get it right
[07:26] <farruinn> hobbo, you need to run sudo apt-get install ... after  you add universe and multiverse
[07:26] <hobbo> alright, i'll just go about it
[07:27] <SmokingFire> bur[n] er: xawtv, what do you think of it?
[07:27] <cristiano> farruin: how to use curl?
[07:27] <SmokingFire> I see synaptic has it and doesn't require the qt/kde runtime.
[07:27] <farruinn> curl http://foo -o foo
[07:27] <derJunior> should i test multiverse for k3b?
[07:27] <bur[n] er> i used an app based off of xawtv and it worked well
[07:28] <hobbo> k, but where to find sudo?
[07:28] <Gwildor|work> derJunior, sure, I was gonna say that earlier, but I thought , maybe you ried already
[07:28] <bur[n] er> zappers is gnome based though
[07:28] <farruinn> hobbo, it's a command
[07:28] <hobbo> grrmpf
[07:28] <derJunior> Gwildor|work: oh i'm stupid
[07:28] <farruinn> hobbo, are you installing via terminal or synaptic?
[07:28] <derJunior> excuse me
[07:28] <derJunior> Gwildor|work: can you tell me the multiverse sources ?
[07:28] <hobbo> well i just opened my window for the terminal
[07:29] <hobbo> sorry for me knowing shit.. ;)
[07:29] <cristiano> ehm it doesn't work with the page of ET downloads
[07:29] <SmokingFire> I will have a look at zapper.
[07:29] <Gwildor|work> derJunior, same as universe, just make it say multiverse, and not universe
[07:29] <farruinn> hobbo, ok type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list so you can add the universe and multiverse repositories
[07:29] <derJunior> do i need the universe lines too??
[07:30] <cristiano> still dunno how to download this .run file damn :(
[07:30] <freddy_1> I have newly installed ubuntu on a i86 mashine
[07:30] <freddy_1> 3
[07:30] <farruinn> can't you just append universe multiverse to the line that's there in sources.list?
[07:30] <Gwildor|work> farruinn, yeah,
[07:31] <Gwildor|work> derJunior, just add multiverse to the end of the universe line, keep universe and multiverse
[07:31] <hobbo> ok, i'm at it, the clue is just to uncomment those two lines?
[07:31] <derJunior> Gwildor|work: oh thx, should i use a , oder something or only a blanc?
[07:32] <Gwildor|work> dah.......huh?
[07:32] <farruinn> derJunior, just a blank space is fine =)
[07:32] <Simira> great! My USB key mounted automatically, with no problems!
[07:32] <farruinn> hobbo, yes, then add multiverse like Gwildor|work described
[07:32] <derJunior> thx, i use linux some years, but the apt system i used the first time
[07:33] <derJunior> hm same error
[07:33] <zooko> goodbye for now, People of Ubuntu.
[07:33] <Gwildor|work> derJunior, apt-get update first
[07:33] <freddy_1> newbee: how can I change the highest possible resolution from 1024x768 to 1200x1024?
[07:33] <derJunior> Gwildor|work: i had done
[07:33] <derJunior> i can't believe ist
[07:33] <derJunior> it
[07:34] <Gwildor|work> derJunior, hmmm, what arch you use?
[07:34] <derJunior> Gwildor|work: i think you mean Pentium III (ist i386 or?)
[07:35] <derJunior> can i see it on my system?
[07:35] <Gwildor|work> nvm
[07:35] <Gwildor|work> 386 is good
[07:36] <hobbo> so thats it, uncomment the two commentet archive-ressources and add mulitiverse with a blank after the second universe in the same line? -- justtomakesuresuresure..
[07:36] <derJunior> i don't know where i can view this setting (i386) it ist only that what i mean ist my computer
[07:36] <Rocha> freddy_1: you must configure the x server to support that resolution
[07:37] <SmokingFire> what spam tool integrates with evolution?
[07:37] <freddy_1> so in what section of the XFConfig-4 ?
[07:37] <Gwildor|work> hobbo, ummm, that seems right
[07:37] <hobbo> right.
[07:38] <mirak> when runnig hpfsck on an hfsplus file system, I got this error, hpfsck: This is not a HFS+ volume (Unknown error 4294967295)
[07:38] <farruinn> hobbo, now just run a sudo apt-get update so the changes take effect
[07:38] <bohrbug> I find that a USB2 memory stick is incredibly slow on write, but very fast on read under linux. Is that normal?
[07:38] <zAo^> There are differences, but that is max 1MB/s
[07:39] <hobbo> uh, just doneit without updating, he doubted me being the admin..
[07:39] <bohrbug> to me, it feels like read is with USB 2.0 speeds, and writes are with 1.1 speed
[07:40] <hobbo> hes updating!
[07:40] <hobbo> whoah, cant get my fill with that system!
[07:41] <freddy_1> Rocha: i'm a little cautious in editing the XFConfig-4 (or is it XFConfig-4.in?) as I have had much trouble getting X to start up
[07:41] <cristiano> guys pls help me to take this .run file :((((
[07:41] <farruinn> cristiano, where is it?
[07:41] <topyli> jdub: ping?
[07:42] <tritium> evolution-2.2 won't keep my smtp server authentication settings :(
[07:42] <seb128> known bug
[07:43] <derJunior> okay i will try it again later
[07:43] <hobbo> alright, he just couldn't find the mozilla-flashplayer - package...
[07:43] <tritium> seb128, evo?
[07:44] <tritium> any way to edit a config file by hand to force the issue?
[07:44] <seb128> tritium, yeah, evolution, and no workaround afaik
[07:45] <tritium> seb128, okay, thanks for letting me know
[07:45] <seb128> no problem
[07:46] <seb128> tritium, http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=70259
[07:46] <hobbo> hm, any ideas why he cant find the mozilla flashplayer - package?
[07:46] <tritium> Thanks, seb128
[07:46] <seb128> np
[07:47] <nuOpus> hello
[07:47] <nuOpus> hey has anyone done an upgrade lately?
[07:47] <nuOpus> with hoary?
[07:47] <tritium> hobbo, flashplayer-mozilla?
[07:47] <nuOpus> something in today's upgrade got rid of the ubuntu modifications and now I have standard gnome menus
[07:47] <nuOpus> no more computer menus
[07:48] <hobbo> yeah
[07:48] <njs12345> hobbo: you need to change repositories a bit
[07:48] <tritium> hobbo, just checking to see if you had the two words transposed
[07:48] <njs12345> and do "apt-get update"
[07:49] <tritium> nuOpus, yes, I was told this was planned, and will be fixed in the next few days
[07:49] <tritium> there's also a flashplugin-nonfree
[07:49] <tritium> I'm not sure of the difference
[07:49] <nuOpus> oh okay it is the debian upstream?
[07:49] <tritium> nuOpus, No, I think it's ubuntu-specific
[07:50] <hobbo> hm, i cant follow you guys right now..
[07:50] <hobbo> i updated after unquoting
[07:50] <hobbo> then he took my command, but couldn't find the package
[07:50] <tritium> hobbo, it's in multiverse, not universe
[07:51] <tritium> so you need to have multiverse repositories too
[07:52] <hobbo> but i added multiverse to the 2nd line after universe, with a blank in between
[07:52] <tritium> hobbo, and did you do an apt-get update ?
[07:52] <hobbo> yeah
[07:52] <hobbo> -thanks btw for your help
[07:53] <tritium> hobbo, why just the second line?  you mean just the deb-src line?
[07:53] <hobbo> oh i see
[07:53] <tritium> make sure you did the same for the deb line too
[07:53] <hobbo> k
[07:53] <tritium> then apt-get update
[07:53] <tritium> then you should see it
[07:54] <jono> what does ip translation in gnomemeeting do?
[07:58] <hobbo> should i add multiverse to the last two lines or to the two lines before, the ones i unquoted before?
[07:58] <hobbo> caus he couldnt find i again
[07:59] <hobbo> ...it again...
[08:00] <tritium> hobbo, I didn't what you did before...
[08:00] <tritium> this is the needed line: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[08:01] <Pathfinder> For some reason when I boot up Acrobat Reader attempts to load, then freezes, and I get a blank window.  How can I stop this?
[08:01] <Pathfinder> (so it doesn't try to load when I boot up)
[08:01] <Pathfinder> ?
[08:01] <TomT64> urg
[08:01] <TomT64> anyone have experience with usbvision
[08:01] <hobbo> tritium: so hoarty instead of warty?
[08:02] <tritium> hobbo, oh, sorry...I didn't know you were using warty
[08:02] <tritium> No, it should be in warty as well
[08:02] <hobbo> well, i didnt tell you so..
[08:03] <hobbo> but then i got the lines right.. archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe multiverse
[08:05] <hobbo> and the command is    'sudo apt-get install mozilla-flashplayer'    ?
[08:05] <tritium> hobbo - so, "apt-cache search flashplayer" returns nothing?
[08:06] <hobbo> but it does, macromedia flashplayer
[08:07] <mario> flashplugin-nonfree is the package
[08:07] <tritium> there's also flashplayer-mozilla
[08:08] <hobbo> hey, it worked with flashplayer-mozilla
[08:08] <hobbo> update, is a restart necessary?
[08:08] <hobbo> apt-get update
[08:08] <Synek> no
[08:08] <Gwildor|work> after apt-get update......no
[08:08] <Synek> :)
[08:09] <hobbo> hm, wrong window.. ;(
[08:09] <hobbo> ;)
[08:09] <Gwildor|work> after apt-get upgrade.........sometimes
[08:09] <Gwildor|work> oh
[08:09] <Gwildor|work> :)
[08:09] <tritium> hobbo, I was asking you if you had the words flashplayer and mozilla reversed ;)
[08:10] <hobbo> yeah, could well be.. ;)
[08:10] <hobbo> damned, so embarassing to be the newby..
[08:10] <tritium> no worries
[08:11] <hobbo> thats my first catch with linux, i'm considering to install the kde-desktop, but i'm really satisfied with it so long..
[08:11] <zooko> darn -- vmware crashed.
[08:11] <zooko> I'm on Athlon64 using gentoo's amd64-k8 kernel.
[08:11] <hobbo> but still long way home... ;)
[08:11] <zooko> s/gentoo/ubuntu/
[08:11] <zooko> They both end with an "ooo" sound.
[08:12] <tritium> Time to work...bye
[08:12] <hobbo> btw - theres a sound install guide for the kde-installation on the ubuntu-site, right?    ;)
[08:12] <hobbo> bye and thanks again!
[08:15] <hobbo> c u !
[08:19] <SmokingFire> I'm trying zapping tvviewer however I get error messages stating that i can't find x11 screens. I'm using hoary with xorg
[08:19] <defendguin> im having a bit of a problem installing ubuntu after the hardware detection scrnn i just get a blue screen
[08:20] <defendguin> s/scrnn/screen
[08:23] <TeRanEX> hi everybody!
[08:24] <intinig> defendguin, are you sure you're not installing windows? :D
[08:25] <SmokingFire> defendguin: what does the bluescreen say?
[08:25] <TeRanEX> when i tried to install ubuntu on my laptop with grub in the MBR (i want a multiboot with WinXP) i got the following error: "can't copy $item to MBR". does anybody know what this mean and how to solve this?
[08:26] <SmokingFire> Do you want to restore the winxp mbr?
[08:26] <jnk> Hoary provides gstreamer plugins 0.8.6 and according to the release notes they support musepack, but there is no gstreamer0.8-musepack package, and musepack files can't be played in totem. Why ?
[08:27] <mattgirv> Howdy
[08:27] <Unfun>  When is hoary coming out?
[08:27] <mattgirv> Can anyone help me out with 2 things, my OpenGL and my JAVA :)
[08:27] <jnk> Unfun: in april
[08:28] <Unfun> cool
[08:28] <Unfun> ass badicool
[08:28] <TeRanEX> @smokingfire: no i terminated the installation and i still can boot my winXP
[08:29] <mattgirv> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 < i followed the instructions there for ATI drivers and I am still getting the same performance from things like tuxracer, that i was before i installed
[08:29] <TeRanEX> but i still don't have ubuntu on my laptop :)
[08:29] <TeRanEX> *:(
[08:30] <jono> anyone know much about configuring mozilla in about.config?
[08:30] <mattgirv> disable ipv6 and you can browse pages faster :)
[08:31] <cristiano> here i am again guys
[08:31] <cristiano> i have installed ET but i have no sound, why?
[08:31] <cristiano> do i need some particular library?
[08:32] <defendguin> intinig: SmokingFire:  it says nothing
[08:33] <Gwildor|work> cristiano, I had that problem as well...........but it is fixed now
[08:33] <cristiano> gwildor: how did u fix it?
[08:33] <defendguin> intinig: SmokingFire: just a blue screen with a grey bar at the bottom.  yes im sure im installing ubuntu and not windows
[08:33] <RuffianSoldier> hello Jono
[08:33] <Gwildor|work> cristano, I think I had to go to gnome sound settings, and turn off the sound server startup (system sounds)
[08:34] <Gwildor|work> cristiano, id go more in depth, and tell you exactly, but I at work.....ubntu is at home
[08:34] <defendguin> i thoguht it might be a memory problem but after swapping out some memory i dont think that to be the case
[08:35] <cristiano> Gwildor: don't worry so, i don't want to be a distracion with ur work^^
[08:35] <defendguin> thought
[08:35] <intinig> defendguin, obv. it was a joke about windows :D
[08:35] <defendguin> intinig: ;)
[08:36] <Gwildor|work> cristiano, try and do what I said, with my vague instructions, if not, ill be able to help you when I get home, about 3 to 3.56 hours
[08:36] <EfaistOs> what softwares do u use to rip a dvd ? do u have some good bookmarks to do it ?
[08:36] <cristiano> Gwildor ok^^
[08:38] <TeRanEX> in the partition manager inside the installer every partition can be set to 'active', what does this mean? should i do it for /boot? (my winXP-partition was already set to 'active')
[08:39] <cristiano> gwildow: i'll follow ur instructions ;)))
[08:39] <cristiano> GWildor: i'll follow ur instructions ;)))
[08:40] <zerokarmaleft> EfaistOs, dvd::rip is pretty good
[08:41] <defendguin> intinig: but im still stuck with a box that i cant install :(
[08:42] <mattgirv> Hi :)
[08:42] <Gwildor|work> hi
[08:42] <mattgirv> I really need help getting my OpenGL working
[08:43] <mattgirv> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 I did what it said for ATI cards there, and it isn't working
[08:44] <mattgirv> Basically, I installed everything, I have no errors but tuxracer is slow as hell as if there are no GL drivers, and glxgears only gives me 300fps.
[08:44] <SmokingFire> TeRanEX: only one parition at a time per hd can be set active.
[08:44] <SmokingFire> TeRanEX: try it, you will see if you try to set another partition on the same hd as active the other will loose its status.
[08:44] <acamargo> hi. where can I find help about "hoary hedgehog"?
[08:45] <eruin> shocker, latest hoary upgrades has cedega in a "black text on black background" state ;(
[08:45] <TeRanEX> SmokingFire: hmm on a previous install of ubuntu (the beta) i had set all my ubuntu partitions to active (and that completely trashed my hd..)
[08:46] <SmokingFire> it must be a bug then.
[08:46] <defendguin> ok this just sucks
[08:46] <TeRanEX> but when i tried it again i used only my winXP partition as active and tried to install grub in my MBR resulting in the error...
[08:47] <TeRanEX> SmokingFire: but when i tried it again i used only my winXP partition as active and tried to install grub in my MBR resulting in the error...
[08:47] <TeRanEX> SmokingFire: is there any other way to create a multiboot? by example by using the windows bootmanager?
[08:48] <iglo1> has anyone else noticed xinerama support slowly getting worse with gnome and hoary?
[08:48] <iglo1> its come to the point now where metacity isn't even compiled against it.
[08:48] <SmokingFire> TeRanEX: there is, I just saw it today on the wiki, let me look.
[08:49] <SmokingFire> TeRanEX: Install Ubuntu the 'easy way' but DO NOT allow it to override MBR. It says it "should be harmless" but for me, was not. Instead, install GRUB to /dev/hda2(or whatever) and use WinXP? boot.ini for multiboot (well, I did). See: Ed's Howto ( http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/), also a brilliant link.
[08:50] <SmokingFire> TeRanEX: I got it from this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/view?searchterm=dual%20boot
[08:50] <bur[n] er> bleh... use grub
[08:50] <bur[n] er> win's boot.ini sucks
[08:50] <RuffianSoldier> GRUB OWNS
[08:50] <TeRanEX> SmokingFire: thx!! :)
[08:50] <bur[n] er> works pefect for multiboot here :)
[08:51] <tc> My laptop doesn't have a CD drive. If I download the CD and copy the contents to the HD can I boot off a floppy and execute the installer from the HD?
[08:53] <jono> hi RuffianSoldier
[08:55] <cristiano> guys starting ET i got this error:
[08:55] <cristiano> ------- sound initialization -------
[08:55] <cristiano> /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[08:55] <cristiano> Could not mmap /dev/dsp
[08:55] <cristiano> ------------------------------------
[08:55] <cristiano> why???
[08:57] <db> hi
[08:57] <cristiano> db: hi
[08:57] <db> ich muss dringend was ausdrucken und versuche gerade meinen drucker unter ubuntu einzurichten, was ich bis heute aufgeschoben hab
[08:57] <db> RuffianSoldier spamt
[08:57] <RuffianSoldier> huh?
[08:57] <db> 205728 -RuffianSoldier- You Have Been Selected! Please Join #BeatrIX
[08:58] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[08:58] <RuffianSoldier> please join
[08:58] <Synek> ? :)
[08:58] <RuffianSoldier> by all means
[08:58] <db> ne, halt den rand, es geht jetzt um meinen drucker
[08:58] <db> also
[08:58] <db> wenn ich ber computer -> einstellungen -> drucker gehe
[08:58] <db> einen "neuen drucker" anlege
[08:58] <db> HP Laserjet 3p w/ PCL5 auswhle
[08:58] <db> und dann auf "anwenden" klicke
[08:59] <db> passiert: nix.
[08:59] <db> es erscheint kein neuer drucker
[08:59] <db> ok. dann gehe ich auf http://localhost:631, das cups-webinterface
[08:59] <db> dort musste ich frher immer das root-passwort eingeben
[08:59] <db> aber das geht jetzt offenbar nicht mehr.. also.. welches passwort muss ich da eingeben um nen drucker einrichten zu knnen?
[09:00] <cristiano> guys no help for me so?
[09:00] <db> oh.. sh** .. so i am not in the german channel. ;)
[09:00] <db> sorry.
[09:01] <catdog> lol
[09:01] <Synek> kekeke
[09:01] <Synek> ;] 
[09:03] <cristiano> pls----
[09:03] <jazzka> hi!
[09:04] <jazzka> has anybody tried to run vmware with ubuntu?
[09:04] <funky> osi jazzka in the room
[09:04] <jazzka> funky, hey man! what's up!
[09:04] <funky> :)))
[09:06] <cristiano> guys pls help me with this error running ET
[09:07] <cristiano> ------- sound initialization -------
[09:07] <cristiano> /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[09:07] <cristiano> Could not mmap /dev/dsp
[09:07] <cristiano> ------------------------------------
[09:11] <Groumph> Hello !
[09:11] <cristiano> hi
[09:11] <Groumph> Howto update Firefox 0.9.3 to 1.0 in ubuntu ?
[09:12] <Groumph> s/0.9.3/0.9.1
[09:12] <rodi> I don't know how many core developers are listening, but I absolutely love Ubuntu, and I have had zero problems with it.
[09:12] <rodi> I am hanging out here purely for the purpose of stroking all of your egos.
[09:12] <Groumph> I find firefox 0.9.1 too old :)
[09:12] <rodi> My IBM T40p loves you all, too.
[09:12] <Gwildor|work> Groumph, mozilla.org, or upgrade to hoary
[09:13] <Groumph> Gwildor|work: Just remove firefox and install the tar.gz ?
[09:13] <rodi> Groumph: you don't really even have to remove it- just install the .tar.gz in /usr/local/mozilla.
[09:14] <rodi> Groumph: but I must say, that from my own perspective, I'd just upgrade to Hoary.
[09:14] <Groumph> rodi: Hoary not for me, too many bad experiences with debis SID :)
[09:15] <rodi> Groumph: hehe, I had some bad experiences in sid as ewll...
[09:15] <Gwildor|work> Groumph, I have had 0 problems with hoary, for about a month now
[09:15] <rodi> bye, then.
[09:15] <Gwildor|work> well
[09:19] <darren> I've just installed Ubuntu and I'm trying to update Firefox to 1.0 but it doesn't find updates, does anyone know why?
[09:20] <Gwildor|work> darren, have to upgrade to hoary
[09:20] <cristiano> darren: install it from the installer u find on mozilla site
[09:20] <cristiano> i've done this way to have firefox 1.0 in my language;)
[09:20] <darren> cristiano, how do I remove it first?
[09:21] <cristiano> dunno how to remove it, i've simply installed the new one in a new directory
[09:21] <darren> Gwildor, Is an official release for hoary out?
[09:21] <Gwildor|work> nope
[09:21] <darren> Well I'd rather stick with warty then... It's only Firefox that I want updating
[09:22] <Gwildor|work> kk, then
[09:22] <darren> If I install it from the installer will it overwrite the existing firefox?
[09:22] <Gwildor|work> If you install to the correct place
[09:22] <Gwildor|work> I think
[09:22] <cristiano> darren: simply link the button on the panel to the new exe in the new dir ;)
[09:23] <darren> cristiano, I'm new to Ubuntu (used Mandrake before) so I'm still learning :P
[09:24] <cristiano> darren no problem!^^
[09:25] <Gwildor|work> cristiano, did that work?
[09:28] <ncharles> I'm new to Linux and debian and am having a really basic problem starting nautilus!  How do you start it so you can see toolbars, etc.  I can see that it opens separate windows from the computer window, but I'm looking for something more like Konqueror or Explorer
[09:28] <martxel> is it normal to ubuntu hoary use 2.4 gb?
[09:29] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[09:29] <martxel> it isnt too much?
[09:29] <RuffianSoldier> no
[09:29] <martxel> ok
[09:29] <martxel> thank you
[09:29] <martxel> bye
[09:30] <RuffianSoldier> ncharles
[09:33] <darren> Is there a default root password because I never got asked to enter one
[09:35] <Gwildor|work> darren, nope
[09:35] <Amaranth> darren: The root password is locked.
[09:35] <Gwildor|work> sudo to root with user pass
[09:35] <RuffianSoldier> sudo then user password
[09:35] <Amaranth> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:35] <AndyR> i hoary available as an iso or do i need to do an upgrade?
[09:35] <Amaranth> err, the root account is locked, i mean
[09:36] <Amaranth> "Vegetarians eat Vegetables, Humanitarians frighten me."
[09:36] <darren> I need root access
[09:36] <Amaranth> heh
[09:36] <darren> How do I gain it?
[09:36] <Amaranth> darren: RTFW
[09:36] <zAo^> sudo passwd root?
[09:36] <Amaranth> Read The Fscking Wiki
[09:36] <Amaranth> zAo^: NO!
[09:36] <zAo^> :P
[09:36] <AndyR> darren, open a root shell
[09:37] <darren> I don't know the root password!
[09:37] <RuffianSoldier> THERE ISNT ONE!
[09:37] <funnylookinhat> darren: use sudo
[09:37] <iz> its you password
[09:37] <AndyR> or su
[09:37] <funnylookinhat> darren: you type sudo _command_
[09:37] <RuffianSoldier> Sudo! Then the password of the user your on now
[09:37] <catdog> if you open a root shell, you type in your own password
[09:37] <funnylookinhat> darren: then it will ask you for a password.
[09:37] <RuffianSoldier> if you want to stay root, just type sudo -s
[09:37] <Amaranth> darren: read https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:37] <Amaranth> RuffianSoldier: Not quite.
[09:38] <RuffianSoldier> thats what I do
[09:38] <Amaranth> RuffianSoldier: Read the URL I just gave him.
[09:38] <RuffianSoldier> haha
[09:38] <RuffianSoldier> im no noob
[09:38] <RuffianSoldier> silly
[09:38] <Gwildor|work> hehe
[09:38] <Amaranth> Seriously, read it.
[09:38] <RuffianSoldier> i dont need to
[09:39] <RuffianSoldier> if I want to stay root in a shell I type sudo -s
[09:39] <CraHan> so i see menu editing in gnome has been removed in hoary?
[09:39] <CraHan> I used to be able to change menu entries by rightclicking them and selecting properties or delete
[09:40] <CraHan> not possible anymore :(
[09:40] <Gwildor|work> nope
[09:40] <catdog> RuffianSoldier: and if you want $HOME to change with it, $sudo -H -s
[09:40] <Gwildor|work> I think is a tool to do it?
[09:40] <tritium> The wiki says you need samba eve to as "act as a client with Windows servers".  libsmbclient is not enough?
[09:41] <tritium> s/even/eve
[09:46] <jazzka> I'm installing vmware, and it needs the kernel sources
[09:46] <jazzka> but ubuntu does not leave any sources at /usr/src
[09:46] <jazzka> where can I get them? (the exact kernel version for ubuntu)
[09:47] <HrdwrBoB> you can get the kernel source
[09:47] <HrdwrBoB> or kernel headers
[09:47] <jazzka> do I download them from kernel.org as usual?
[09:47] <HrdwrBoB> from synaptic (or apt-get)
[09:47] <jazzka> apt-get kernel source ? is that?
[09:47] <jono> what does fonts.scale do?
[09:48] <Ng> jono: it describes the fonts in a directory afair
[09:48] <Ng> the X way, pre fontconfig
[09:48] <CraHan> I   just hope this 'no meny editing' in gnome is just a temp thing
[09:48] <jono> Ng, what information does the file contain?
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> jazzka: hang on atic
[09:49] <CraHan> otherwise they're really starting to limit what I can and can't do with it :/
[09:49] <Ng> jono: not sure, I think just the font names to files mapping
[09:49] <Ng> jono: it's generated my mkfontdir if memory serves
[09:49] <jazzka> HrdwrBoB, nice try ;)
[09:49] <Ng> jono: there's usually a .dir file there too and they are usually identical
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> kernel-headers-2.6.8-1
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> that's the package you want
[09:50] <HrdwrBoB> or if you want the full source
[09:50] <HrdwrBoB> kernel-source-2.6.8.1
[09:51] <farruinn> My sound has mysteriously disappeared for some reason in warty
[09:51] <farruinn> anyone have any ideas?
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> turn up the volume? :)
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> start esd again?
[09:52] <farruinn> ok, I'll try restarting esd
[09:54] <tc> My laptop doesn't have a CD drive. If I download the CD and copy the contents to the HD can I boot off a floppy and execute the installer from the HD?
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> I think you can - you can get a special boot loader to do that
[09:56] <tc> HrdwrBoB, theres a page on the wiki about using a bootloader and selecting cdrom, but I beleive it needs to talk to a cd drive
[09:57] <fargon> So I am running the latest & greatest, what do I do next?
[09:57] <farruinn> I think I just need to restart.  There's no esd running, but when I try to invoke a new daemon it says /dev/dsp busy
[09:58] <tc> fargon, Stuff!
[09:59] <IRCUser04> hi
[09:59] <fargon> tc, I am bored - dissipated. The life forces are draining, and I am out of cigarettes and coffee and All That's Good. I ws bored enough to start using Hoary instead of Warthog, just so I could upgrade more often
[09:59] <fargon> hi IRCUser04,
[09:59] <IRCUser04> anyone know if i can use ntl (xp bootloader) with ubuntu?
[09:59] <fargon> what brings you to these shores
[09:59] <fargon> IRCUser04, everything worth answering already has an answer at the forums :)
[10:00] <Hikaru79> Why is synaptic wanting to remove nautilus-cd-burner when I upgrade nautilus in Hoary?
[10:00] <IRCUser04> fargon its not there
[10:00] <fargon> just kidding, please search the forums (ubuntuforums.org)
[10:00] <IRCUser04> fargon i take it u havent a clue
[10:01] <CraHan> Hikaru79: new gnome libs being brought in
[10:01] <tc> HrdwrBoB, I booted from it and it needs a rad cd device.
[10:01] <tc> REAL cd device even
[10:02] <CraHan> they changed the context menu code so all apps that have a context menu in nautilus are being reworked
[10:02] <CraHan> I think that's why there's no menu editing atm
[10:02] <Hikaru79> CraHan, but is it OK for me to go and re-install nautilus-cd-burner after it's removed?
[10:03] <CraHan> Hikaru79: at the moment it'll fail to reinstall, well, it'll want to remove the updated nautilus libraries again.  Better wait till nautilus-cd-burner has been updated too
[10:03] <CraHan> unfortunately this is the price you pay for using the testing version :)
[10:03] <Hikaru79> OK :)
[10:03] <Hikaru79> Any estimate on how long that entails?
[10:03] <CraHan> I'm having the same troubles here
[10:03] <fargon> IRCUser04, I was as clueless as you, and then I searched and got this: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[10:04] <CraHan> no idea, it could be as soon as a few hours and as long as a few days
[10:04] <fargon> IRCUser04, hope that helps, if just a little.
[10:04] <CraHan> depends on how fast the packager responsible for that deb takes to bundle and upload the new version
[10:05] <farruinn> somebody actually did post about this on the list
[10:07] <IRCUser04> fargon ahhhhhhh
[10:07] <IRCUser04> thanks
[10:07] <IRCUser04> looks like i just install ubuntu with boot option instead and modify the boot.ini file
[10:08] <tc> I'm currently downloading the ISO, can anyone tell me if it has a 'debootstrap' binary file on it?
[10:10] <fargon> IRCUser04, whatever floats your boat :) You're welcome.
[10:14] <CraHan> oops, abiword now resides in the 'other' menu category and not in 'office'
[10:16] <RuffianSoldier> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk''
[10:16] <mattgirv> Hello :)
[10:20] <chet> if i have a p3 733, is that i586 or i686?
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> I686 I believe
[10:20] <chet> yes, uname -a says so too :)
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> :)
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> -chet- VERSION xchat 2.0.8 Linux 2.6.8.1-3-386 [i686/797.75MHz] 
[10:25] <trans_err> is there anyway to speed up VNC?
[10:25] <TomT64> um
[10:25] <TomT64> are you using compression?
[10:26] <trans_err> TomT64, whatever is default
[10:26] <trans_err> (for ubuntu)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[10:26] <TomT64> hold ona  sec
[10:26] <Se7h> i just remembered something
[10:26] <Se7h> wouldn' it be nice to have some gnome applet
[10:26] <trans_err> and keys sticcccccccccccck
[10:26] <Se7h> like redhat/fedora
[10:26] <TomT64> which vnc client are you using
[10:27] <Se7h> telling u there r system upgrades available ?
[10:27] <trans_err> a macosx one
[10:27] <TomT64> and the server is on ubuntu?
[10:27] <farruinn> trans_err, something chicken?
[10:27] <trans_err> yea
[10:28] <farruinn> haha, yeah that key sticking has happened to me too
[10:28] <TomT64> you can change the mac client's options to use compression
[10:28] <chet> i tried to install mozilla-mplayer per the wiki, but its not there?
[10:29] <Gwildor|work> chet, isnt that in marrilat?
[10:29] <TomT64> you need to add the other apt-get locations
[10:30] <chet> i added "ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/", and found the other stuff, but not the mozilla-mplayer
[10:31] <TomT64> I have it listed in my package listing
[10:31] <tc> grrr, I'm gonna install somehow. The wiki tells me to run 'debootstrap --arch i386 warty /mnt/ubuntu http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty' Rather than the http url can I put the location of the files copied from a cd?
[10:32] <TomT64> you need to add the universe and multiverse lines
[10:32] <Gwildor|work> uncomment universe, add multiverse
[10:34] <ar0x> 'lo everybody
[10:34] <chet> multiverse is ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ ?
[10:36] <fko> hi everybody.
[10:37] <chet> is multiverse ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/?
[10:37] <chet> cause i see all of that other shit listed, but not mozilla-mplayer
[10:37] <carthik> chet, no, change universe to multiverse
[10:37] <carthik> for moz-mplayer, use marillat.
[10:38] <IRCUser04> will ubuntu be stable?
[10:38] <chet> carthik, how do i enable multiversE?
[10:38] <IRCUser04> :P
[10:38] <IRCUser04> ubuntus release right now is too basic
[10:38] <IRCUser04> its basically a debian with gnome 2.8
[10:39] <IRCUser04> nice but needs some add ons :)
[10:39] <IRCUser04> which are being worked on
[10:39] <IRCUser04> cant wait for hoary final
[10:39] <carthik> chet, edit /etc/apt/source.list and add in a line with multiverse in the place of universe.
[10:39] <Seabook> Is there some kind of hardware compatibility list for ubuntu?
[10:40] <ar0x> IRCUser04: which add-on you would like to be in ubuntu ?
[10:40] <zooko> 1. the prism54 proprietary firmware, 2. mplayer with all codecs including proprietary, reverse-engineered, stolen, written with slave labor, etc.
[10:41] <chet> carthik, i added the repository "ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/" into synoptic, is that not the same?
[10:41] <Kosai> Hey, zooko.
[10:41] <fko> I'm with a problem setting a dhcp server on my ubuntu box. Can anyone help-me on this?
[10:41] <carthik> chet, that is NOT the same as the multiverse repository.
[10:41] <Garathor> It doesn't come a C compiler with Ubuntu?
[10:42] <zooko> Hello Kosai.
[10:42] <Gmail|AWAY> hola Zoohouse
[10:42] <Gmail|AWAY> hola zooko
[10:43] <carthik> chet, pls read the docs : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/view?searchterm=sources.list
[10:43] <carthik> that explains how to add multiverse.
[10:44] <chet> thanks carthik!!!!
[10:44] <chet> thatds what i needed
[10:45] <Newbie9000> i applied for some cd's earlier today but have yet to receive a token - i was told i need one to check order status as it were
[10:46] <Newbie9000> sorry - shipit free cd's
[10:46] <carthik> chet, anytime.
[10:46] <thenuke> how much does ubuntu include programs which is not started from menus of gnome?
[10:47] <Gwildor|work> thenuke, could you repeat/rephrase the question
[10:49] <Newbie9000> is there a way to find out what the status of the free cd order is on Shipit?
[10:49] <thenuke> Gwildor|work: as a program I mean software like openoffice and such. and as the menus I mean the menus where you can start for example the open office. and the question  is, are there programs like that which are not started from the menus, but from a command line
[10:50] <Gwildor|work> thenuke, yes there is, not all apps get added to the gnome menu
[10:50] <remi`> thenuke, I know it's not an answer but most apps are in /usr/bin ...
[10:50] <thenuke> thought so :I So I just have to explore thru synaptic and check what kind of things there are :)
[10:50] <remi`> which should hold a *lot* of files/symlinks
[10:51] <thenuke> and of course I am not speaking of progs like ls and rm and so on ;)
[10:51] <remi`> I guess there must be a command using apt-something giving you all the installed packages
[10:52] <x_> remi` apt-show-versions
[10:52] <neeroo> i've installed windows and need to install grub or lilo on the mbr. can i use the ubuntu cd for this? i have experience with this situation, (alot actually) i've just forgot cus it's so long since i've had windows installed
[10:52] <ar0x> dpkg -l IIRC
[10:52] <hns> The Debian-menu, whichis normally appended to the Gnomemenu, is there a way to get that in the menu
[10:52] <zooko> Anyone run Windows XP Pro on vmware on Ubuntu/AMD64/k8 on an Athlon64 ?
[10:52] <zooko> I tried it and got a vmware internal error.  :-(
[10:53] <thenuke> remi`: was that an answer to me?
[10:53] <thenuke> remi`: that apt showing all the packagers
[10:53] <remi`> thenuke, i guess so :)
[10:53] <thenuke> minus the r. hm. Synaptic is more useful for that matter
[10:53] <x_> thenuke , apt-show-versions will show all the installed packages
[10:54] <thenuke> sval: as I said synaptic is more useful in this matter :)
[10:54] <neeroo> does the debian rescue boot come with the ubuntu cd?
[10:54] <thenuke> as synaptic gives more info of those packages as well
[10:55] <carthik> neeroo, ubuntu will install grub.
[10:55] <carthik> neeroo, dont know about the rescue boot though
[10:55] <neeroo> carthik: well it didn't, and now windows have overwritten the mbr anyway
[10:55] <remi`> thenuke, i haven't really looked at synaptic but doesn't it have an option to show only installed packages ?
[10:56] <carthik> neeroo, i installed ubuntu on m winxp m/c and it works fine
[10:56] <Gwildor|work> remi`, I think there is a filter, but there is also little green boxes next too the installed packages
[10:56] <fko> please, can anybody help me setting a dhcp server on ubuntu?
[10:56] <neeroo> carthik: i know it can work fine. but i need a bootloader to load ubuntu.
[10:56] <thenuke> remi`: I'm not sure if it has that, I just sorted them by installing status
[10:57] <remi`> Gwildor|work, i saw the boxes but on my system there is main, universe and multiverse, and that's one looong list
[10:57] <l1quid> i've got a drive formatted in ext3 which i need to back some stuff up off of to a ntfs drive
[10:57] <l1quid> is this possible using the ubuntu livecd?
[10:57] <carthik> neeroo, i am sorry, but i guess things work differently for us, then...
[10:57] <remi`> thenuke, I'll check the options out tomorrow
[10:58] <ar0x> l1quid: I don't the ntfs write status ... that's might be dangerous
[10:58] <thenuke> remi`: thanks for the help but I am able to figure it out too as soon as I can get my ass up from this couch :)
[10:58] <remi`> thenuke, :)
[10:59] <thenuke> nice quit message :P
[10:59] <l1quid> ar0x: whats the best way to back up the data then?
[10:59] <geppy|asleep|> Firefox just crashed on me (it tends to do that whenever I read anything on xanga.com; damned bad html), and I'm in flux.  I'm not sure how to kill it.  It's not showing up in top, 'killall firefox' doesn't do anything, and I don't know the PID.
[10:59] <geppy|asleep|> How can I kill it?
[11:00] <thenuke> geppy|asleep|: try ps aux | grep firefox
[11:00] <thenuke> to get its pid
[11:00] <remi`> geppy|asleep|, pgrep firefox
[11:00] <geppy|asleep|> Thanks!
[11:00] <thenuke> and then sudo kill -9 pid
[11:00] <ar0x> I guess write the data on a fat32 partition
[11:00] <thenuke> pgrep, never heard command
[11:00] <ar0x> and then with a windows, writing it on the ntfs partition
[11:01] <thenuke> hum, seems to be useful cmd.
[11:01] <remi`> thenuke, usefull 'cause you can pipe it to "xargs kill"
[11:01] <l1quid> hmm
[11:01] <l1quid> maybe i can fit it on a dvd
[11:01] <geppy> Thanks!
[11:01] <ar0x> in fact I don't know if the write support for NTFS is activted in the livecd' kernel
[11:02] <l1quid> or i could send it over the network to a windows pc's harddrive via ftp
[11:02] <ar0x> yes, also
[11:02] <geppy> remi`: Would that kill all instance of whatever application you pgrep'ed for?
[11:02] <geppy> *instances
[11:02] <thenuke> remi`: yep :) I wish I was to know that command when I had to make a script to kill something, had to use awk and printf and so on to get the pid to the kill :D
[11:02] <thenuke> but well, learned a bit of awk and those at the time :)
[11:03] <l1quid> hm
[11:03] <l1quid> i'd need to get root access to be able to copy the files over though
[11:03] <ar0x> thenuke: you can use "killall"
[11:03] <l1quid> i need to install aboot loader
[11:03] <l1quid> and i should be able to boot slackware
[11:03] <remi`> thenuke, that's the cool thing about linux, so many ways to kill rogue programs
[11:03] <l1quid> hmmm
[11:04] <thenuke> :-) "ever had an urge to KILL KILL KILL!  Install linux!"
[11:04] <trans_err> was it hoary or warty that had a GUI for enabling samba shares?
[11:04] <zooko> Hm.
[11:05] <geppy> remi`: Would piping the output of "pgrep mplayer" to "xargs kill" kill all of the instances of mplayer?
[11:05] <remi`> geppy, yes
[11:05] <geppy> Ah, definitely useful.  Thanks.
[11:05] <remi`> but mplayer for all users
[11:06] <remi`> (I happen to have several X clients so it's always pgrep -U user | xargs kill)
[11:06] <geppy> Oh, cool.
[11:06] <fko> can anybody help a newbie setting up a dhcp server? please?
[11:07] <geppy> remi`:  Do you use CTRL-ALT-Fx and startx -- :x, or do you have something alternate set up?
[11:07] <geppy> fko: one second
[11:07] <remi`> that last command will basicaly kill all the processes that a user has running
[11:07] <geppy> Ooh, cool.
[11:07] <remi`> geppy, gdm
[11:07] <remi`> console is the last resort
[11:07] <jon1012> hi everybody
[11:08] <geppy> remi`:  How do you configure GDM to do that?  Should I just go and read the documentation?
[11:08] <jon1012> just to say that te new gnome-menu in hoary is conmpletely gargl
[11:08] <jon1012> :(
[11:08] <geppy> fko: Try this out; http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/06/1451231&tid=106
[11:08] <remi`> geppy, I don't understand what you're trying to do ...
[11:09] <jon1012> everything in the menus go in the application menu and there is nothing in the right menu :(
[11:09] <jon1012> (which is now named "actions")
[11:09] <geppy> remi`:  If I were to try and allow multiple users to have concurrent X sessions, how would I go about setting up GDM to do that?
[11:09] <Hikaru79> I've switched to Hoary and it seems that I'm no longer able to have a wallpaper besides a solid blue one; is this a side-effect of Hoary or is there a fix for this?
[11:09] <remi`> geppy, allow XDMCP connections on your "server" gdm
[11:09] <trans_err> Hikaru79, is nautilus running?
[11:09] <geppy> remi`:  Thanks.
[11:10] <jon1012> can someone help me with my menus being broken ? :(
[11:10] <trans_err> define broken
[11:10] <remi`> geppy, and then X -query gdm.server.domain.com :1
[11:10] <jon1012> can I go back to gnome-panel 2.9.1 instead of 2.9.2 ?
[11:10] <moyote> jon1012, when was the last time you did apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:10] <jon1012> today :s
[11:10] <remi`> geppy, on your host machines
[11:10] <jon1012> 15 minutes ago
[11:10] <moyote> ok, justwondering
[11:10] <fko> geppy: I've already apt-get install dhcp3-server and followed the instructions in the ubuntu unofficial FAQ but, alas, it isn't working. I'll check your link... thks!
[11:10] <jon1012> it fucked all my system lol
[11:10] <geppy> remi`:  How would you get to GDM without quitting your window manager, though?
[11:11] <thenuke> hmm. how does dist-upgrade differ from upgrade?
[11:11] <moyote> The Computer is now part of the Applications menu
[11:11] <remi`> geppy, that's a bit more complicated
[11:11] <jon1012> arggg why ??? :(
[11:11] <jon1012> it's horrible :(
[11:11] <jon1012> can i change this bacj ?
[11:11] <geppy> remi`:  Oh, so, you're talking about having users from different computers run X on the same server?
[11:11] <remi`> you have to remove -nolisten tcp from your gdm conf
[11:11] <jon1012> i want to put eveything in the other menu instead of in the application menu ,*
[11:12] <jon1012> and another thing, everything which wad nice in french is now totally in english :(
[11:12] <moyote> You're asking the wrong person. I guess you can go back to using Warty??
[11:12] <remi`> geppy, hum different users, using different computers but all login in and using the same one server
[11:12] <remi`> X terminals in other words
[11:12] <jon1012> lol... evrything worked great with gnome 2.9.1
[11:12] <geppy> remi`:  Oh, alright; thanks. =)
[11:12] <geppy> right.
[11:12] <jon1012> can I go back to 2.9.1 instead of 2.9.2 ?
[11:12] <Hikaru79> trans_err, yes it is.
[11:12] <moyote> jon1012, I don't know enough about the Gnome desktop to help you, sorry
[11:12] <jon1012> i can't go back to warty, it want to uninstall everything and cry to death lol
[11:13] <jon1012> ok
[11:13] <marsjays> what player can i use to play an asf stream?
[11:13] <Hikaru79> totem
[11:13] <jon1012> is there somebody knowing about the gnome desktop in hoary here ?
[11:13] <moyote> I always take the coward's way out and reinstall. lol
[11:13] <jon1012> lool, but I d'ont have time
[11:14] <jon1012> I have an exam tomorrow :/
[11:14] <hob1> hi everybody!
[11:14] <farruinn> jon1012, don't know if this will work, but maybe apt-get install gnome=2.9.1
[11:14] <moyote> i understand. Maybe check the forums and see if there is anything there.
[11:14] <farruinn> that's if you haven't done an apt-get clean....
[11:14] <jon1012> farruin i will try :/
[11:14] <moyote> I know they are working on it regularly.
[11:14] <jon1012> it can't find it :/
[11:15] <hob1> a short one: is there any apt-get - way to get ready for mp3-files?
[11:15] <Quest-Master> Before they make the next Warty release needs much, much better MIDI support
[11:15] <wfx> is hoary out?
[11:15] <jon1012> where can I download the necessarly files ?
[11:15] <Quest-Master> It's really bad right now :(
[11:15] <Quest-Master> Maybe I should tell the developers about it in the mailing list.
[11:15] <jon1012> all the 2.9.1 pacjages
[11:15] <Quest-Master> Might catch their attention.
[11:15] <geppy> hob1:  xmms can handle mp3's;  what more do you need?
[11:16] <wfx> there is more then mp3
[11:16] <jon1012> quest-master > gnome-panel and gnome-menus and everything of gnome is totally broken now in hoarty :(
[11:16] <jon1012> gargl :/
[11:16] <geppy> wfx:  I don't know what you're trying to say, but he was asking what he'd need for mp3s.
[11:16] <Quest-Master> That's why I don't use Hoary :)
[11:17] <geppy> jon1012: have you tried flux?  =P
[11:17] <hob1> well i cant find xmms on my warthog-release
[11:17] <geppy> hob1:  you'll need to enable multiverse.
[11:17] <hob1> yeah done that already
[11:18] <jon1012> geppy > lol... I love my friendly gnome stuff :(
[11:18] <geppy> hob1:  Did you run an apt-get update?
[11:18] <hob1> and whats the prompt for getting it?
[11:18] <hob1> yeah
[11:18] <geppy> jon1012:  heh...  Perhaps you shouldn't be running unstable, then?  =)
[11:18] <IRCUser04> and replaced em with firefox and thunderbird
[11:18] <jon1012> I love ubuntu but maybe I will have to reinstall a fedora core 3 to make my laptop work correctly for tommorow :/
[11:18] <jon1012> geppy > lol I need some features of it
[11:18] <IRCUser04> and ....... i added ubuntu as my 2nd os :)
[11:18] <jon1012> geppy > I'm a developper
[11:18] <IRCUser04> waiting for hoary so ill switch over fully
[11:19] <geppy> hob1: The prompt for getting what?  To update and install xmms, run this:  "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xmms libmikmod2"
[11:19] <IRCUser04> im switching everything over to open source
[11:19] <geppy> jon1012:  heh...  Perhaps you should fix it, then.  =P
[11:19] <IRCUser04> EVERYTHING, browser and email 1st, then os when its ready :)
[11:19] <jon1012> geppy > lol, but as I said I don't have time for it :/
[11:20] <jon1012> geppy > and if they are already working on it it doesn't make sense to make the work twice
[11:20] <RuffianSoldier> hey bob2
[11:20] <jon1012> geppy > that's why I came here
[11:20] <nacs> do you'll think ubuntu would be a good OS for heavy web serve use?
[11:20] <geppy> jon1012:  Is a quick backup and reinstall of Ubuntu a possibility?
[11:20] <nacs> or should I stick to something like redhat enterprise?
[11:20] <geppy> jon1012:  Try #ubuntu-devel ; that's where the Ubuntu dev talk happens.
[11:20] <jon1012> geppy > I need some features of the unstable gnome, and if I reinstall and put the unstable gnome back I will have the same problem lol
[11:21] <jon1012> gepy: Oh thanks ! :)
[11:21] <jon1012> geppy : didn't know that this channel existed :p
[11:21] <geppy> jon1012:  What I'm saying is that it might be a broken install; that happens, sometimes.  You're welcome.
[11:21] <wfx> hob1: if you install gstreamer0.8-mad then you can play mp3 files with rhythmbox
[11:21] <geppy> heh  =)
[11:21] <nuopus> hello
[11:21] <nuopus> how is everyone doing?
[11:21] <geppy> wfx:  rhythmbox is horribly unstable, though.
[11:22] <nuopus> Use muine or beep media player
[11:22] <jon1012> geppy> wow... rhythmbox = love :p
[11:22] <Quest-Master> Rhythmbox is pretty bad, yeah
[11:22] <geppy> nuopus: I use xmms;  he was just recommending rhythmbox to someone else.  Muine is pretty, though.
[11:23] <nuopus> geppy: ahhh have you tried beep media player?
[11:23] <jon1012> muine is great even if it doesn't recognise some files... :/
[11:23] <geppy> jon1012:  heh.  Rhythmbox refused to scan my music directories.  It would just say that it had started, and then sit there for days.
[11:23] <jon1012> (that's the reason why I use rhythmbox)
[11:23] <jon1012> loool
[11:23] <geppy> nuopus:  No, apt-getting it now, though.
[11:23] <crimsun> geppy: gstreamer bug; it chokes on .jpgs
[11:23] <Quest-Master> BEEP is what I use now.
[11:23] <jon1012> that's a little problem with utf-8 I think
[11:24] <nuopus> geppy: it is basically a gtk2 build of xmm
[11:24] <geppy> crimsun:  Thanks;  I'll see if I'd dropped any in there.
[11:24] <nuopus> xmms
[11:24] <nuopus> if you like xmms you will love beep in gnome 2.8
[11:24] <nuopus> so it will use all your themes and stuff
[11:24] <geppy> nuopus:  Yeah, I'd heard about it;  but the only problems that I have with xmms involve the buggy alsa plugin.
[11:25] <geppy> nuopus:  heh.  I'm looking into _writing_ a sound application, actually.  I like the idea of rhythmbox, but there are a lot of problems with it.
[11:25] <nuopus> ahhh im not sure how its built by default .. but you can choose eds at compile time
[11:25] <crimsun> that has been fixed in hoary; the xmms build (10.4) from sid has been merged into hoary and includes the alsa unpause fix from xmms cvs
[11:25] <geppy> crimsun:  ALSA doesn't stutter anymore on XMMS in Hoary?
[11:25] <Pointwood> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu (looks good so far :) - I have a little problem with my monitor refresh rate - it's 60hz and I know my monitor can handle 85hz, which is a lot more comfortable :)
[11:25] <crimsun> geppy: it never stuttered for me; it had other problems which have been worked around
[11:26] <Pointwood> should I just edit the xfree config file manually?
[11:26] <geppy> crimsun:  Oh, alright.  I'm on Hoary, and XMMS still has problems with ALSA.  There's some background noise, and some clipping (I think that that's the word for it).
[11:26] <geppy> crimsun: I've been using OSS, my dearest enemy.
[11:26] <crimsun> geppy: which alsa output device are you using?
[11:27] <geppy> Pointwood:  That would be a good idea.
[11:27] <hob1> geppy: thanks for the xmms-line; i installed it successfully, now how to start it, caus he wont open it automatically, still tries to play the soundfile with totem. and xmms is not in my menu - do i have to put it there...?=
[11:27] <jono> when I plug in my webcam, how does the system know to load the v4l module?
[11:28] <geppy> crimsun: default.  I'm using it in conjunction with dmix, which I need to use if I want more than one application to have access to the soundcard... hmm... _actually_... I might give jack a try.
[11:28] <crimsun> geppy: try this: change "default" to "plughw:0" (and stop any other alsa apps), then play a sound file
[11:29] <geppy> hob1:  You can open XMMS with the command 'xmms' on the command line.  You have to log out and log back in for it to appear in the applications menu.  If you want sound files to open by default in XMMS, then, yes, you do have to put it in the menu.  It's a straightforward process;  just tell it to use 'xmms'.
[11:29] <hob1> alright, thanks.
[11:29] <geppy> crimsun:  That _does_ fix the problems, but that leaves me with only xmms for sound. =/
[11:30] <nuopus> hmmmm have you tried IRC in this new gaim 1.1.0?
[11:30] <crimsun> geppy: paste your dmix definition on a pastebin web site, and I'll look at it.
[11:30] <jon1012> someone working with docbook here ? :)
[11:30] <geppy> crimsun:  Alright; one second.
[11:30] <crimsun> geppy: plughw:0 working gives me a pointer
[11:31] <sid77> hi
[11:31] <geppy> crimsun:  Wait, so, plughw:0 works with dmix?  Either way, jack seems to be doing the trick, now that I've started it up.
[11:31] <crimsun> geppy: no, plughw:0 doesn't
[11:31] <geppy> crimsun: What's the difference between plughw:0, and hw:0
[11:32] <crimsun> geppy: plughw:0 goes through alsa-lib to perform sample-rate conversion, etc.
[11:32] <jono> hmm I dont get modules
[11:32] <nuopus> oh just to let you know in case you havent done it yet ... wait a few days before upgrading if you are using hoary
[11:33] <geppy> crimsun:  Does that improve quality?
[11:33] <geppy> crimsun:  my .asoundrc, for what it's worth; http://paste.plone.org/275
[11:33] <crimsun> geppy: "improve?" not related to quality. It simply performs all the necessary conversions to make things work properly.
[11:33] <geppy> crimsun:  Okay.
[11:36] <crimsun> geppy: that's odd, your mic input is the same as your speaker/headphone output?
[11:37] <crimsun> geppy: (see your slave.pcm "hw:0,0" usage in pcm.dmixed _and_ pcm.dsnooped)
[11:37] <RuffianSoldier> !
[11:37] <geppy> crimsun:  Does hw:0,0 refer to a port?  I thought that it referred to the soundcard.  Now that I think about it, the former would make more sense.
[11:38] <crimsun> geppy: hw:device,subdevice
[11:38] <crimsun> geppy: you're telling alsa-lib that both the playback and capture ports are identical, which is rare if not next to improbable
[11:39] <geppy> crimsun:  Oh, alright.
[11:39] <crimsun> geppy: slave.pcm "hw:0" makes more sense
[11:39] <crimsun> geppy: if you want, you can check /proc/asound/devices for the true device,subdevice combinations-
[11:39] <geppy> crimsun:  thanks
[11:41] <geppy> crimsun:  There are two captures, two playbacks (and the ctl and the timer);  is this because there are ports on the front of my case, and on the back of the motherboard?
[11:41] <bob2> hahah
[11:41] <geppy> bob2:  I take that as a no?  =)
[11:42] <bob2> oh, 'twas laughing at falco
[11:42] <bob2> er, fabbione
[11:42] <geppy> bob2:  haha, alright
[11:45] <lev> hey last night i got hoary, and now i cant my screen resoluton, it is stuck at 480x600
[11:46] <geppy> lev:  Try editing your vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:46] <geppy> erm, without the 'vi'
[11:47] <fko> about the dhcp setting: it looks like the problem is *before* the dhcp configuration!!! "dhcpd3 eth0" gives me "No subnet declaration for eth0 (0.0.0.0) ..<skip>.. Not configured to listen on any interfaces!"
[11:48] <lev> what do i do?
[11:48] <padlefot> find your default screen resolution settings
[11:49] <padlefot> still tho, i had the same problem.. i cant get my resolution over 1024x768
[11:49] <lev> that file is empty
[11:49] <padlefot>  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[11:49] <lev> yea.. it is empty
[11:50] <lev> i did sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:50] <padlefot> it should contain your XF86Config
[11:50] <lev> There is nothing there.
[11:50] <padlefot> open the /etc/X11/ dir, and see whats inside
[11:50] <geppy> lev: Perhaps try taking the '-4' off.
[11:50] <padlefot> ls -la
[11:50] <padlefot> elns
[11:51] <lev> nope...
[11:51] <padlefot> what does that dir contain then?
[11:51] <padlefot> nothing?
[11:52] <lev> there is a whole bunch of stuff there.
[11:52] <martxel> hi
[11:52] <lev> :-\
[11:52] <padlefot> but nothing even simualr to XF86Config ?
[11:52] <martxel> im using hoary and i have problems with the sound on the totem
[11:53] <martxel> i dont know what to do
[11:53] <jono> anyone used the ATI driver with X.org?
[11:53] <geppy> martxel: 'sudo apt-get install xmms'
[11:53] <geppy> martxel:  That is, assuming that you don't want to use totem, because it pretty much sucks.
[11:53] <geppy> jono:  I don't know anyone that has gotten the driver to work with _anything_.
[11:54] <lev> nope
[11:54] <jono> geppy, heh
[11:54] <lev> nothing there.
[11:54] <martxel> geppy i can reproduce divx with xmms?
[11:54] <geppy> martxel:  No, but you can with mplayer.
[11:54] <martxel> yeah, but i can use mplayer by the console
[11:54] <martxel> (sorry about my english)
[11:55] <geppy> martxel: Absolutely.  'mplayer /path/to/file.avi'
[11:55] <martxel> with the '?
[11:55] <martxel> without them not?
[11:55] <sid77> without!
[11:55] <geppy> martxel:  Correct, without the apostrophes (').
[11:56] <martxel> it doesnt start
[11:56] <geppy> You're going to have to install it.
[11:56] <martxel> i have it
[11:56] <martxel> installed
[11:56] <geppy> martxel:  Could you read your private messages?
[11:56] <geppy> martxel:  The mplayer in multiverse is no good.
[11:56] <rjek> Hi guys.
[11:56] <intinig> Hi again
[11:57] <rjek> Who wants to help me with an audio problem on hoary? :)
[11:57] <gen> rjek, whats the problem
[11:57] <scizzo> rjek: just ask the question
[11:57] <sval> rjek just ask the question
[11:57] <rjek> OK.  Both RhythmBox and Totem utterly suck for my purposes.
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> hehe
[11:58] <rjek> XMMS has ceased to work since upgrading from Warty to Hoary.
[11:58] <gen> what are your purposes
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> what are you trying to do
[11:58] <rjek> (as has SoX's 'play' and mpg321)
[11:58] <mxpxpod> does anyone here use a netgear MA111 for wireless connection?
[11:58] <gen> is xmms freezing by any chance when trying to play rjek
[11:58] <rjek> Currently, I've got myself into the pickle that Totem crashed.  And now it refuses to start again
[11:58] <sval> rjek, disable the esd sound server ;) or configure xmms to use it
[11:58] <rjek> gen: No, it says it can't open the sound card, and you get "alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (hw:0,0): Device or resource busy" on the terminal.
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> rjek: the reason they are not working is likely because it's using esd
[11:59] <gen> try'killall esd' rjek
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> if you killall esd
[11:59] <candyman> hey: I just installed my ubuntu and an error pops up when trying to listen to mp3 files: otem no pudo reproducir file:///home/candyman/Desktop/stryper-winter_wonderland.mp3.
[11:59] <candyman> Failed to open; reason unknown
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> that will make them work
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> but if you run 'mplayer -ao esd foo.mp3'
[11:59] <rjek> OK.  What about Totem not wanting to start again?
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> that will work
[11:59] <candyman> translation: can't open file
[11:59] <gen> rjek, is it totem-xine by any chance
[11:59] <rjek> Christ almighty, why on earth are they using esd?
[11:59] <rjek> gen: Nope.
[11:59] <scizzo> candyman: look in the wiki for RestrictedCodecs
[11:59] <EvaSDK> hi guys
[11:59] <scizzo> candyman: mp3 support isn't standard in the install
[11:59] <sval> because esd is gnome look&feel