| jon1012 | lol yes, but I will try to put my system at 2.9.1 instead lol | 12:01 |
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| seb128 | good luck | 12:01 |
| seb128 | you need to change gnomevfs, nautilus, panel, nautilus-cd-burner at this point | 12:01 |
| jon1012 | yup | 12:01 |
| seb128 | and you'll not but able to install new GNOME packages after that | 12:01 |
| jon1012 | lol yes, but can I do the menu myself another way? | 12:02 |
| seb128 | you should better wait for the new panel changes | 12:02 |
| jon1012 | yup | 12:02 |
| jon1012 | when will this be you think ? | 12:02 |
| seb128 | live with the stock menus like everybody else in hoary ? | 12:02 |
| seb128 | probably before the end of the month | 12:02 |
| jon1012 | ok :) | 12:02 |
| seb128 | dunno when exactly | 12:02 |
| seb128 | BTW time to sleep | 12:03 |
| seb128 | later | 12:03 |
| jon1012 | the thing is that I need the development branch for a lot of libs in my developments | 12:03 |
| jon1012 | see ya :) | 12:03 |
| jon1012 | and thank you :) | 12:03 |
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| mxpxpod | does anyone here use the netgear MA111 for wireless network? | 12:04 |
| mxpxpod | I'm having a problem where when I unplug it, /proc disappears | 12:04 |
| jon1012 | hu ? | 12:04 |
| jon1012 | nop I don't use it :( | 12:04 |
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| chrisa | I need to find a wlan usb adapter that doesn't use wlan ng (ie: no ma111 or dwl-122) | 12:08 |
| chrisa | So tired of that driver | 12:08 |
| mxpxpod | chrisa: yeah, same here | 12:08 |
| mjg59 | chrisa: Currently, that's awkward | 12:09 |
| mjg59 | The CVS orinoco driver has support for some USB devices, but I think that's abou tit | 12:09 |
| mxpxpod | chrisa: I think there's one in dongle form that uses prism54 that I've thought about getting | 12:09 |
| chrisa | wlan ng wouldn't be so bad if the normal wireless tools worked with it | 12:10 |
| mxpxpod | hmm, it unmounted my /home dir as well | 12:10 |
| mxpxpod | but if I mount /proc and /home, everything is fine (I think) | 12:10 |
| chrisa | What makes you think the driver did this? | 12:10 |
| mxpxpod | chrisa: it's the only thing that does that when I unplug it | 12:11 |
| chrisa | and of course you're watching syslog and messages, rrrrrriiiggght? | 12:11 |
| mjg59 | chrisa: We're seeing this with various wireless drivers | 12:12 |
| mjg59 | It's very odd | 12:13 |
| chrisa | oh? Neat | 12:13 |
| jon1012 | yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh MY HACK OF THE GNOME-PANEL WORKS :D | 12:14 |
| jon1012 | oops excuse me :$ | 12:14 |
| jon1012 | lol | 12:14 |
| mxpxpod | mjg59: hmm, it only happens the first time I insert it | 12:15 |
| mxpxpod | after I remount everything, it doesn't seem to do it anymoer | 12:15 |
| mxpxpod | well, except that I can't remount swap, sysfs, tmpfs, or devpts | 12:16 |
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| mxpxpod | mjg59: any clue as to why it's doing this? | 12:26 |
| mjg59 | None | 12:27 |
| mjg59 | I can't reproduce it here | 12:27 |
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| mxpxpod | mjg59: that's strange | 12:28 |
| jon1012 | humpf why does the had to change the gnome menu systeme in hoary yesterday ? :( | 12:29 |
| jon1012 | all my apt database is broken and my gnome menu also :/ | 12:29 |
| TD | hi, are there any forum admins here? i don't mean to interrupt but i was browsing them, and i noticed that one of the moderators (!) is consistently posting links to pirate packages of commercial linux software | 12:31 |
| TD | i was wondering who i should speak to about that | 12:31 |
| mjg59 | TD: Is that ubuntuforums.org? | 12:32 |
| TD | yeah. not official? | 12:32 |
| mjg59 | Nope | 12:32 |
| mjg59 | Good thing to LART, though | 12:32 |
| TD | ah ok, i see. sorry, the branding made it look like a part of the main ubuntu forum | 12:32 |
| TD | s/forum/site/ | 12:32 |
| mjg59 | They gateway the mailing lists | 12:32 |
| jon1012 | (what software did this administrator post links for ? :/) | 12:33 |
| TD | crossover and cedega | 12:33 |
| mxpxpod | chrisa: ok, so what am I looking for? | 12:33 |
| jon1012 | erf ok :/ | 12:33 |
| TD | russian warez sites | 12:33 |
| mjg59 | Grah. | 12:33 |
| mjg59 | Asking on #ubuntu might be a better bet | 12:33 |
| TD | k | 12:33 |
| mjg59 | I'd expect some of them to hang out there | 12:33 |
| mjg59 | Sorry about that :( | 12:33 |
| jon1012 | bad, because if people want crossover, they can help and become advocate... :/ | 12:34 |
| jon1012 | if they want it without paying i mean :) | 12:34 |
| TD | yeah. we practically give it away these days | 12:34 |
| jon1012 | yup | 12:34 |
| jon1012 | I'm an advocate | 12:34 |
| jon1012 | (a proud advocate in fact :p) | 12:34 |
| TD | it's 99.something% LGPL anyway. so it's kind of annoying to see people recommending that newbies warez it. | 12:34 |
| jon1012 | sure... | 12:34 |
| TD | cool, what app? | 12:34 |
| jon1012 | Photoshop 7 mainly :) | 12:35 |
| jon1012 | I'm in a multimedia school, in graphic communication | 12:35 |
| jon1012 | crossover is really great :) | 12:35 |
| TD | thanks | 12:35 |
| jon1012 | really bad that people want to go to pirate sites for it :( | 12:36 |
| TD | it happens. some of them even try and get tech support. | 12:36 |
| TD | using linux doesn't magically change (some) human nature, unfortunately | 12:36 |
| jon1012 | (they don't understand that they kill wine and crossover doing this) | 12:36 |
| jon1012 | yes :( | 12:36 |
| lamont_r | sucky connectivity. :-( | 12:36 |
| TD | i think we'll survive. have done for a fair few years now, and more corporate work is coming in these days. those dudes play it straight | 12:37 |
| jon1012 | td > if you want any help, contact me at jondesign@jondesign.net (my advocate adress is jondesign@altern.org, but it's my old adress ^^) | 12:38 |
| Kamion | mxpxpod: lamont has been tracking down the unmounting problem and knows roughly where it is now; it's apparently in one of the udev scripts | 12:39 |
| TD | thanks :) | 12:39 |
| lamont_r | Kamion: or at least apparently so. | 12:39 |
| mxpxpod | Kamion: oh really... so udev is being a brat | 12:39 |
| Kamion | mxpxpod: /etc/dev.d/default/ somewhere | 12:39 |
| lamont_r | that is, fixing the script to not generate an error from umount (and therefore exit with an error, appears to make the problem go away | 12:40 |
| lamont_r | /etc/dev.d/default/unmount.dev or so. | 12:41 |
| lamont_r | wrap the whole thing in if [ -n "$DEVICE"] ; then ... fi | 12:41 |
| lamont_r | or whatever the name is... | 12:41 |
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| mxpxpod | lamont_r: that works for me | 12:44 |
| mxpxpod | just modified it and unplugged then re-plugged my usb device and it doesn't unmount everything | 12:44 |
| lamont_r | woot | 12:44 |
| mxpxpod | and it's $DEVNAME | 12:44 |
| mxpxpod | lamont_r: have you figured out the problem with udev unmounting /dev before unmounting the drives yet? | 12:45 |
| lamont_r | now, for extra credit, add an else clause that says 'exit 1' | 12:45 |
| lamont_r | and see if it once again trashes everything... | 12:45 |
| lamont_r | that's fixed in 2.12j | 12:45 |
| lamont_r | although you want -2, not -1 if you use cryptoloop devices | 12:45 |
| mxpxpod | 2.12j? | 12:46 |
| lamont_r | 2.12j-2 | 12:46 |
| mxpxpod | of what? | 12:46 |
| lamont_r | fixed upstream - mount_2.12j-2_${arch}.deb | 12:46 |
| lamont_r | er, for hoary that's mount_2.12j-2ubuntu1_${arch}.deb | 12:47 |
| mxpxpod | lamont_r: ah, gotcha | 12:47 |
| sid77 | bye all | 12:47 |
| lamont_r | I don't remember if that fix made todays dinstall run in debian or not, but -2ubuntu1 is certainly in hoary | 12:47 |
| mxpxpod | lamont_r: adding that else doesn't trash everything | 12:49 |
| lamont_r | very interesting | 12:50 |
| mxpxpod | lamont_r: wait... where did you want that else? | 12:51 |
| lamont_r | Kamion: you need things much beyond 1AM (9 minutes from now...)? | 12:51 |
| lamont_r | actually, you'll still have connectivity, it'll just get more sucky. | 12:51 |
| lamont_r | mxpxpod: when $DEVNAME=="" | 12:53 |
| lamont_r | that is, as an else clause for the if that you just added... | 12:53 |
| Kamion | lamont_r: pretty sucks already ... ;) | 12:53 |
| mxpxpod | lamont_r: ok, yeah, that's what I added... | 12:53 |
| Kamion | lamont_r: nah, should go to sleep | 12:53 |
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| lamont_r | Kamion: seems happy again. | 12:58 |
| lamont_r | anyway, off to ned/ | 12:58 |
| lamont_r | bed even | 12:58 |
| Kamion | yep, working here ... | 12:58 |
| mxpxpod | nite lamont_r, thanks for the help | 12:59 |
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| jon1012 | oh another thing | 01:12 |
| jon1012 | I've succesfully modified the ubuntu kernel to work wth my asus laptop | 01:13 |
| jon1012 | (it didn't work at all at first: no acpi, no sound, no usb...) | 01:13 |
| jon1012 | if the ubuntu kernel maintainers are here, maybe I can discuss about it | 01:13 |
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| chrisa | sladen just doesn't impress me | 01:33 |
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| jon1012 | lol | 01:33 |
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| sladen | f***^W fabulous wifi here | 01:47 |
| jon1012 | ? lol | 01:47 |
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| ogra | hehe | 02:00 |
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| ogra | sladen: which floor ? | 02:02 |
| ogra | 1st is great :) | 02:02 |
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| farruinn | is there some sort of tracking system that shows which maintainer is working on what? | 05:46 |
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| ironwolf | lamont_r: your wife is looking for you, call her when you awake. | 08:57 |
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| Treenaks | is it intentional that "bazaar" and "bizarre" sound the same? | 09:43 |
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| Keybuk | you should try it in a NZ accent ... very confusing | 09:51 |
| daniels | 'i gotta git muh nit!' | 09:51 |
| fabbione | daniels: x is building.. i will let you know how it goes later | 09:56 |
| Keybuk | 'igs, on tarst' | 09:56 |
| Kamion | Treenaks: at least semi-intentional I think | 09:57 |
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| mdz | elmo: so what kind of coercion do you need in order to make ubuntu-keyring? | 10:01 |
| Treenaks | btw, who said the "laptop turns on again after closing lid after shutdown" thing will be fixed n 2.6.10? | 10:02 |
| Treenaks | (because I have a problem that I think is related) | 10:02 |
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| lamont_r | someone please throw things at thom | 10:05 |
| thom | Kamion: dude, you coming? :-) | 10:05 |
| thom | lamont_r: why? | 10:05 |
| lamont_r | could we please have Options FollowSymlinks on p.u.c? | 10:05 |
| Kamion | thom: oh yeah | 10:05 |
| thom | i think we have SymlinksIfOwnerMatch currently, but i could be mistaken | 10:06 |
| thom | Kamion: can you poke sladen on the way? | 10:06 |
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| Kamion | thom: too late | 10:08 |
| Kamion | thom: we don't, just 'Options Indexes' and that disables all the others | 10:08 |
| Keybuk | http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9098 | 10:08 |
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| Kamion | dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.9-1-mckinley not in control info | 10:15 |
| Kamion | make[2] : *** [real_stamp_image] Error 255 | 10:15 |
| Kamion | d'oh | 10:15 |
| fabbione | yup | 10:16 |
| fabbione | already fixed in my tree | 10:16 |
| fabbione | bad merge from halley to my local stuff | 10:16 |
| fabbione | Kamion: look at the positive side... the ccache is populated :-) | 10:17 |
| fabbione | ARGH | 10:18 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: you just trashed my initrd tool upload | 10:18 |
| lamont_r | grumble. | 10:18 |
| Treenaks | jdub: http://foodfight.org/fotos/2004/12-07%20Ubuntu%20Conference%20-%20evening/?img_0003.jpg | 10:19 |
| fabbione | Kamion: since you have the initrd tools tree local.. can you apply the second patch from #4444 please? | 10:20 |
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| fabbione | the mirror is syncing or out-of-sync atm | 10:20 |
| Kamion | fabbione: hah | 10:20 |
| Kamion | fabbione: ok, will do, didn't realise you were working on it | 10:20 |
| Kamion | sorry 'bout that | 10:20 |
| fabbione | no problem mate :-) | 10:20 |
| fabbione | i didn't know you were on it either :P | 10:20 |
| fabbione | Failed to fetch http://mataro.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch | 10:22 |
| fabbione | mataros mirror master? | 10:22 |
| lamont_r | I expect that's a thom question... | 10:22 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: just throw something at him | 10:23 |
| Kamion | I just operate mataro.ubuntu.com by lftp personally :) | 10:23 |
| fabbione | Kamion: wow :-) | 10:23 |
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| smurfix_ | Gah. "Unpacking gnome-menus: trying to overwrite `/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu', which is also in package kdelibs-data". My fault for still having some kde stuff installed, I know, but still ... | 10:24 |
| Kamion | fabbione: done | 10:25 |
| fabbione | Kamion: rocking | 10:25 |
| daniels | fabbione: cheers | 10:28 |
| seb128 | smurfix, any idea on how to fix that ? | 10:30 |
| jdub | Treenaks: ha ha | 10:32 |
| Keybuk | Treenaks: heh, that's not unusual | 10:33 |
| Keybuk | it's the photos of jdub where he's *not* pulling a silly face that are rare | 10:33 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: :) | 10:33 |
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| jdub | fabbione: http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/ | 10:48 |
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| fabbione | applying patch dsdt-initrd to ./ ... ok. | 10:48 |
| fabbione | applying patch swsusp-userspace to ./ ... ok. | 10:48 |
| fabbione | applying patch wakeup_addr to ./ ... ok. | 10:48 |
| fabbione | applying patch wakeup_gdt to ./ ... ok. | 10:48 |
| fabbione | jdub: i am on it | 10:50 |
| azeem | jdub: pong | 10:50 |
| jdub | fabbione: sweet, thank you :-) | 11:03 |
| fabbione | jdub: applying patch drivers-usb-pwc to ./ ... ok. | 11:03 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: sorry but i am way faster than your merge-omatic :P | 11:05 |
| jdub | haha | 11:07 |
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| === fabbione metls | ||
| === fabbione melts | ||
| jdub | fabbione is metal! | 11:09 |
| Mithrandir | *chuckle* | 11:09 |
| fabbione | ahha | 11:10 |
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| Keybuk | yeah, and I'm pudding | 11:13 |
| Kamion | you wish | 11:13 |
| daniels | keybuk aspires to be pudding | 11:13 |
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| thom | elmo: do you have l33t bzip2 support for katie, yet? | 11:14 |
| elmo | no - it's not katie that's the problem, it's python-apt | 11:14 |
| fabbione | mjg59: ping | 11:14 |
| thom | ahr :/ | 11:14 |
| Keybuk | nah, I aspire to be pudded | 11:16 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Hi | 11:19 |
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| fabbione | mjg59: hey. all your patches aplly perfectly | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | Woo | 11:22 |
| fabbione | mjg59: CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND is the one we need for swsup-userspace, right? | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | Yup | 11:22 |
| fabbione | it's in for i386/amd64 | 11:22 |
| fabbione | :-))) | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | And there's an option for the DSDT in initrd stuff, too | 11:22 |
| fabbione | initrd-tools is uploaded | 11:23 |
| fabbione | mjg59: done that too :-) | 11:23 |
| fabbione | i am alligning the config | 11:23 |
| fabbione | once that is done i will upload | 11:23 |
| fabbione | question of a few hours | 11:23 |
| Kamion | and then we get a debian-installer/ia64 build attempt \o/ | 11:24 |
| fabbione | Kamion: yup.. that too | 11:25 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i promised that we were going to push lamont to put d-i in dep-wait :P | 11:25 |
| mjg59 | thom: How was the laptop BOF? | 11:26 |
| Kamion | seems to be that way | 11:26 |
| thom | mjg59: went ok, it seems | 11:26 |
| lamont_r | mjg59: almost everyone had one. :-) | 11:27 |
| mjg59 | thom: Any conclusions? | 11:27 |
| calc | acpi sucks ;) | 11:27 |
| thom | mjg59: mdz wrote some notes - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LaptopSupportA | 11:28 |
| thom | gar | 11:28 |
| thom | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LaptopSupportAndPowerManagement | 11:29 |
| thom | even | 11:29 |
| mjg59 | I'm unsure about StR being default | 11:29 |
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| mjg59 | ibm-acpi is needed for 2.6.9, but not for 2.6.10 | 11:30 |
| fabbione | Default resume partition (PM_STD_PARTITION) [] (NEW) | 11:30 |
| fabbione | mjg59: ? | 11:30 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Null | 11:30 |
| fabbione | ok | 11:30 |
| thom | mjg59: we took a quick strawpoll, and 90% of the room wanted it | 11:30 |
| thom | if it's really bad, we can back off again | 11:30 |
| mjg59 | thom: It /is/ going to break on various machines, and people are unlikely to be happy if their machine breaks every time they close it | 11:31 |
| mjg59 | 2.6.10 only enables lapic if the BIOS enabled it. I'm not sure if that's in 2.6.9. It's a safe default, anyway. | 11:31 |
| mjg59 | (as I said before, I'm not keen on shipping dsdts. It's /difficult/ to get right, and we plainly have no legal right to do so) | 11:32 |
| tuo2 | is drinking red wine chilled a bad idea? | 11:33 |
| fabbione | mjg59: isn't that the patch you gave to me yesterday? | 11:33 |
| thom | tuo2: yes. | 11:33 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: the lapic one? Nope. That disables it on power-off if the user forced it on. | 11:33 |
| tuo2 | thom: any reasoning?" | 11:33 |
| calc | most dsdt's don't really have anything unique in them, except for the chipset port locations, etc | 11:34 |
| calc | at least on the ones i have disassembled in the past | 11:34 |
| thom | mjg59: right. i think we got a bit handwavy when it came to DSDTs | 11:34 |
| thom | tuo2: it makes red wine taste fucking disgusting | 11:34 |
| tuo2 | thom: depends on the initial quality of the wine, mate. | 11:35 |
| mjg59 | thom: Every time the user changes the amount of RAM, they need a new DSDT. Every time they upgrade their BIOS, they potentially need a new DSDT. | 11:35 |
| tuo2 | And this wasn't real good.... | 11:35 |
| thom | mjg59: yah | 11:35 |
| tuo2 | might be better off killing the palette | 11:36 |
| calc | you could take all the data that has to be there and plug it into skeleton dsdt so that the code doesn't infringe copyright i suppose | 11:36 |
| thom | tuo2: this is well off topic | 11:36 |
| tuo2 | thom: true. Sorry. | 11:36 |
| thom | mjg59: like i said, handwavy | 11:36 |
| calc | the dsdt is generated dynamically by the bios? | 11:36 |
| calc | i didn't notice that part when reading the acpi spec, eyes must have glassed over | 11:37 |
| mjg59 | calc: It tends to be. The spec doesn't require it. | 11:37 |
| calc | oh ok | 11:37 |
| Treenaks | usplash with "wait & switch" is very nice, except for https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1842 :) | 11:37 |
| daniels | Treenaks: that's not a problem, because it was never switched | 11:40 |
| daniels | so you never had access to the card | 11:40 |
| daniels | try running your gdm with -novtswitch on your X server command line | 11:40 |
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| robtaylor|away | mjg59: dont suppose you fancy collecting together a bunch of diffs between fixed and original dsdts? ;) | 11:43 |
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| mjg59 | robtaylor: About as much as I fancy plucking my eyes out, but yeah | 11:44 |
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| robtaylor | yeah, i suppose the only 2 sane opttions are either a) make dsdt interpreter more robust or b) store a diff for each bios version of each machine (and hope diffs help us avoid the ram issue.. ) :/ | 11:45 |
| robtaylor | a bunch of diffs would help in either case ;) | 11:46 |
| calc | i think it got somewhat more robust after ~ 2.6.6 | 11:46 |
| mjg59 | It did | 11:46 |
| robtaylor | calc: still doesnt work on my laptop ;) | 11:46 |
| mjg59 | But there's a reasonable argument for making it bug-for-bug compatible with Windows | 11:46 |
| calc | my laptop was completely broken in numerous ways and i filed a bunch of bug reports about it at osdl and len fixed them for me :) | 11:46 |
| calc | eg now the acpi ports are reserved by default | 11:47 |
| calc | instead of getting reused for various things like cardbus | 11:47 |
| calc | mjg59: yep | 11:47 |
| mjg59 | But upstream won't do that | 11:47 |
| calc | upstream is slowly doing it ;) | 11:48 |
| calc | as each new device which is broken has bug reports filed about it | 11:48 |
| mjg59 | calc: No, they won't make it fully bug-compatible with the Windows stack | 11:48 |
| calc | so they are refusing to fix bugs that are shown in particular hardware now? | 11:49 |
| robtaylor | mjg59: well nothing to stop us making a 2.6.x-acpi bitkeeper branch.... | 11:49 |
| mjg59 | calc: No, that's fine | 11:50 |
| calc | ok | 11:50 |
| calc | well being bug for bug compatible isn't really needed as long as all laptops work under linux ;) | 11:50 |
| mjg59 | But they won't alter the interpreter so it behaves brokenly | 11:50 |
| mjg59 | And that's the only way to be compatible with Windows | 11:50 |
| calc | eventually linux will be bug for bug compatible to be able to attain that goal | 11:50 |
| === calc doesn't get it, oh well ;) | ||
| elmo | mmph, alt-tab is broken for me | 11:51 |
| seb128 | broken in which way ? | 11:52 |
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| robtaylor | calc: if you submit a bug. 1st thing you're told is to find a 'fixed' dsdt// | 11:53 |
| robtaylor | it seems | 11:53 |
| seb128 | 'night calc | 11:53 |
| robtaylor | night calc | 11:53 |
| elmo | seb128: I can't switch windows, it flashes up briefly but disappears again immediately | 11:53 |
| seb128 | weird | 11:54 |
| robtaylor | ooh, broken X11 package flashback =) | 11:54 |
| seb128 | the alt-tab seems to send the right event in xv ? | 11:54 |
| seb128 | xev even | 11:54 |
| calc | robtaylor: hmm they never mentioned that to me, linus even emailed me wrt the io port issue ;) | 11:55 |
| mjg59 | calc: But that was actually an acpi bug | 11:55 |
| calc | yea, previously they solved the io port issue via quirks for every chipset (gag) | 11:56 |
| mjg59 | Whereas on lots of machines the dsdt isn't anywhere near spec-compliant | 11:56 |
| calc | but my dsdt also was broken in various interesting ways which they worked around | 11:56 |
| elmo | seb128: err, not sure xev seems a bit whack too.. i'll upgrade, then login/logut, and if I can reproduce, come and show you | 11:56 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:56 |
| calc | i don't remember the exact details since it was about 6mo ago | 11:56 |
| mjg59 | calc: There's a limit to the dsdt workarounds you can do that are guaranteed to be safe | 11:57 |
| calc | their were weird irq issues though | 11:57 |
| calc | er there | 11:57 |
| mjg59 | The Windows interpreter allows accesses that are invalid, presumably hoping that the dsdt never actually does something bad with them | 11:57 |
| calc | iirc the irq query returned invalid data or something like that | 11:57 |
| mjg59 | Linux forbids that | 11:57 |
| calc | ah | 11:57 |
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| amu | ack | 12:06 |
| seb128 | thom, is the internet connection broken ? | 12:06 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: no | 12:06 |
| seb128 | I can't ping anything | 12:06 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: but check your name server settings | 12:06 |
| elmo | I can't seem to make new connections | 12:06 |
| seb128 | but my IRC is still working ... | 12:06 |
| Mithrandir | worksforme | 12:07 |
| lamont_r | what about by IP? | 12:07 |
| seb128 | works again | 12:07 |
| elmo | yeah | 12:07 |
| elmo | and gone again. meh | 12:09 |
| seb128 | thom, fix the connection dude !! | 12:11 |
| thom | i would love to if i could :P | 12:11 |
| seb128 | you're useless :p | 12:11 |
| seb128 | and that works again :) | 12:12 |
| thom | screw YOU HIPPEH | 12:12 |
| thom | so it does. cool | 12:12 |
| Keybuk | seb128: fix gnome-panel, dude! | 12:13 |
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| seb128 | daniels, I need an xorg patch out of the 855resolution stuff ? | 12:19 |
| daniels | seb128: you shouldn't, no | 12:21 |
| daniels | seb128: it's just a tiny binary that you run and it craps all over your video BIOS and hopefully makes it work | 12:21 |
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| rburton | jdub: poke poke | 12:39 |
| seb128 | hey rburton | 12:40 |
| rburton | hi seb128 | 12:40 |
| seb128 | are you going to complain about me breaking the panel ? :p | 12:41 |
| rburton | i'm running warty on my ubuntu box, and my sid box has the 2.9 panel on | 12:42 |
| seb128 | ok ;) | 12:42 |
| Treenaks | ah... don't you just _love_ Mac newlines... | 12:42 |
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| fabbione | dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.9-1-itanium' in `../linux-image-2.6.9-1-itanium_2.6.9-3_ia64.deb'. | 12:47 |
| fabbione | MUCH BETTER | 12:47 |
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| pitti | Hi sivang! | 12:50 |
| Treenaks | hey sivang | 12:50 |
| mjg59 | So now we just need some more acpi love in acpi-support | 12:55 |
| === Keybuk smiles sweetly at mjg59 | ||
| mjg59 | And a touch more acpi love in initrd-tools | 12:56 |
| Treenaks | we need some acpi love for my laptop.. so it doesn't suspend right after coming back from suspend (nice feature..) | 12:56 |
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| fabbione | Kamion : dpkg-deb: building package `nic-modules-2.6.9-1-itanium-smp-di' in `../nic-modules-2.6.9-1-itanium-smp-di_2.6.9-3_ia64.udeb'. | 12:58 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: Mm. That one is a bit odd. | 01:00 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: could be a BIOS bug, the thing's 5 years old | 01:01 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: It would be good if you could add stuff to /etc/acpi/sleep.sh and try to find out how it's being called | 01:01 |
| Kamion | fabbione: nyahaha | 01:01 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: I'm running with the "suspend howto" scripts from the wiki | 01:01 |
| rburton | mjg59: it appears that when my x22 is using acpi, it won't auto-suspend when the battery is about to die (it did with apm). can i work around this with an acpi script? | 01:02 |
| mjg59 | rburton: Yes | 01:02 |
| koke | is there any wiki page to look for sharing hotel rooms? | 01:02 |
| koke | I just want to sleep there at 11th | 01:03 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: Ah. Can you try the ones from my acpi-support package? | 01:03 |
| Mithrandir | koke: it's at the bottom of the attendees page, I think | 01:03 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: url? | 01:03 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/ | 01:03 |
| mjg59 | rburton: Well, ish. You need something to monitor battery state and trigger suspend. I think kinnison has something to do that. | 01:04 |
| koke | Mithrandir: that's for hostels, I'd like a double room | 01:04 |
| koke | but it's too big for me :) | 01:04 |
| koke | and too expensive | 01:04 |
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| fabbione | mjg59: everything compiled without any problem. | 01:06 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Yay | 01:06 |
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| Treenaks | mjg59: does your script do suspend to ram or disk? | 01:08 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: Both | 01:08 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: on lid close? | 01:09 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: Oh, right. RAM, though that's configurable. | 01:10 |
| sladen | thom: http://seehuhn.de/comp/bootlog.html | 01:10 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: it looks like lid.sh only does blanking | 01:10 |
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| mjg59 | Treenaks: Oh, right. Just change /etc/acpi/events/lid to run sleep.sh | 01:12 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: So that stuff'll be uploaded soon? | 01:12 |
| mjg59 | thom: laptop_mode used to have a function to dump any pid that did a write to disk | 01:12 |
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| Keybuk | I can't find *anything* on these new menus | 01:31 |
| Keybuk | arghhhhhhh | 01:31 |
| Keybuk | someone feed seb amphetamines and make him code faster :p | 01:32 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: i am sure he will accept patches.. | 01:34 |
| fabbione | ;) | 01:34 |
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| fabbione | drivers/input/cpad/cpadconfig.h:40:3: warning: #warning : Framebuffer disabled. Compile kernel with CONFIG_FB and CONFIG_FB_VESA to enable it. | 01:36 |
| fabbione | daniels: ^^^^ | 01:36 |
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| sivang | hey seb128 | 01:38 |
| sivang | seb128 : you in the big room? :) | 01:38 |
| seb128 | no | 01:38 |
| seb128 | in the BOF room | 01:38 |
| sivang | seb128 : is there still USPlash BOF? | 01:38 |
| bob2 | is cpad the crazy lcd-touchpad thing? | 01:40 |
| fabbione | yeah | 01:42 |
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| bob2 | ah | 01:46 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Is -3 in the archive yet? | 01:47 |
| fabbione | mjg59: no. i am still waiting the 2 turtles to finish the test build | 01:48 |
| fabbione | it shouldn't take too long | 01:49 |
| mjg59 | Ah, ok | 01:50 |
| bob2 | 4 | 01:52 |
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| daniels | fabbione: worship the crack | 01:56 |
| fabbione | ah talking of crack | 01:56 |
| fabbione | let me check xorg on sparc | 01:57 |
| fabbione | it's building | 01:57 |
| fabbione | but i am sure it will take a while | 01:57 |
| fabbione | running make -j 8 on the kernel + buildd + xorg | 01:58 |
| fabbione | on one single cpu | 01:58 |
| fabbione | is NOT sane | 01:58 |
| fabbione | Mem: 512648k total, 488840k used, 23808k free, 25376k buffers | 01:58 |
| fabbione | Swap: 1027008k total, 0k used, 1027008k free, 185352k cached | 01:58 |
| fabbione | and i can't manage to make it swap | 01:58 |
| fabbione | it's amazing | 01:58 |
| daniels | ls | 01:59 |
| daniels | erk, ww | 01:59 |
| fabbione | sparc > * | 02:00 |
| fabbione | CPU WAR | 02:00 |
| elmo | WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?? | 02:01 |
| elmo | ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! | 02:01 |
| fabbione | elmo: GO BACK TO YOUR PPC | 02:01 |
| fabbione | seriously... i think it's a kernel bug | 02:02 |
| fabbione | i need to check on 2.6.9 | 02:02 |
| fabbione | as soon as *cough*someone*cough* will free my testing harddisk | 02:02 |
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| fabbione | the sparc kernel needs some extra config love | 02:04 |
| fabbione | *sigh* | 02:04 |
| pitti | fabbione: I know a good program which makes much of free space | 02:05 |
| pitti | fabbione: :-) | 02:05 |
| fabbione | pitti: so do i :-) | 02:06 |
| pitti | fabbione: this reminds me about the thing we used to say to students who sat in front of a Linux machine for the first time | 02:06 |
| pitti | fabbione: "rm -rf *" -> read mail, really fast, all mails | 02:06 |
| fabbione | ahha | 02:07 |
| sivang | pitti : heheh | 02:08 |
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| sivang | fabbione : that's what I do , it works like a charm and I am able to read all my mails in time | 02:08 |
| sivang | :) | 02:08 |
| lamont_r | pitti: I typed that on a machine a few weeks back (as root, in /) just for fun. | 02:09 |
| sivang | lamont_r : did you have the /boot partition under that also? | 02:09 |
| pitti | lamont: ??? doesn't sound like much fun | 02:09 |
| lamont_r | sivang: one partition. | 02:09 |
| sivang | it is if you're into reinstalling your system :) | 02:09 |
| fabbione | lamont_r: i did that when i left my first telco company on the 2 servers i was administering | 02:09 |
| fabbione | they managed to run for a few hours without disks :-) | 02:09 |
| lamont_r | was about to flatline the machine, so I was playing with it... | 02:10 |
| lamont_r | was interesting to see what was left behind (busy text files) | 02:10 |
| lamont_r | er, a.outs | 02:10 |
| sivang | I once had my gf's Win32 partition mounted under /mnt , then I forgot to umount and rm -r -v -f /mnt :) | 02:11 |
| sivang | luckily at least her uni docs were backed up in her mail account... | 02:11 |
| lamont_r | sivang: and you were still together after that? | 02:11 |
| seb128 | sivang, no | 02:12 |
| sivang | lamont_r : hehe, I had to buy her a dinner, take her on vacation, and take some "why do you have to PLAY with stuff all the time, ha?" and then it passed :) | 02:12 |
| sivang | kidding | 02:13 |
| sivang | :) | 02:13 |
| sivang | she just wanted me to stop playing "liunux games" on her machine, I tried to explain her that what happened is a wonderful example for it's streangth :) | 02:13 |
| sivang | anyway, people of the bof room, I'm coming up. | 02:14 |
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| mjg59 | Damnit. mkinitrd doesn't have stubs to call stuff after it's generated the image | 02:45 |
| Kamion | lamont_r: sbuild fixed, I think ... | 02:47 |
| elmo | daniels: done | 02:47 |
| Keybuk | ooh, new ITALIAN KERNELS | 02:47 |
| Kamion | FICHISSIMO | 02:48 |
| fabbione | AHHA | 02:48 |
| fabbione | mjg59: eh? | 02:49 |
| daniels | elmo: thanks dude | 02:49 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: The last thing mkinitrd does is send the image to stdout (or a file). But we need to be able to append the DSDT to that. | 02:50 |
| fabbione | the strange feeling is that i don't feel addicted to the kernel as much as i felt for X | 02:51 |
| jdub_ | oh, -3 is uploaded? | 02:51 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: not yet.. not yet... <evil laugh> | 02:51 |
| mjg59 | jdub_: Can you do something for me? | 02:51 |
| fabbione | mjg59: good point | 02:52 |
| fabbione | jdub_: yes.. with the pwc driver too | 02:52 |
| fabbione | Treenaks. DIE! | 02:52 |
| fabbione | :P | 02:52 |
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| fabbione | mjg59: in any case it will take a few hours to get the kernel up, if you prepare a patch we can upload the new initrd-tools | 02:53 |
| fabbione | and i will bump again the version in -4 | 02:53 |
| Keybuk | Yeah, you're gonna have to face it, you're addicted to X | 02:53 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: This bit's less important | 02:53 |
| jdub_ | mjg59: yo | 02:53 |
| mjg59 | It's only for people like jdub | 02:53 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: i am going slowly out of that tunnel | 02:53 |
| bob2 | *totally* addicted to bass^wX | 02:53 |
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| fabbione | mjg59: jdub is special.. we know that.. (also ugly.. but.. hey..) | 02:54 |
| mjg59 | jdub: Edit /usr/sbin/mkinitrd and add to the end: | 02:54 |
| mjg59 | echo -n INITRDDSDT123DSDT123 | 02:54 |
| mjg59 | cat /boot/DSDT.aml | 02:54 |
| mjg59 | echo -n INITRDDSDT321DSDT321 | 02:54 |
| mjg59 | Except use proper quotes, not my funky ones | 02:54 |
| jdub | heh | 02:54 |
| Keybuk | irssi-plugins-of-doom | 02:54 |
| === fabbione starts reviewing thom's patch | ||
| thom | mdz wants better crack | 02:55 |
| mjg59 | jdub: But make sure you have latest initrd-tools and 2.6.9-3 | 02:55 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: ah, that's what you're laughing so hard about | 02:55 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: we should patch the shell to accept those quotes! | 02:55 |
| daniels | crack me harder | 02:55 |
| fabbione | thom: ? | 02:55 |
| jdub | mjg59: at the very end? | 02:55 |
| === thom throws his orange of destiny at Keybuk | ||
| Mithrandir | mjg59: why use quotes at all? | 02:55 |
| mjg59 | jdub: Yeah | 02:55 |
| jdub | ok | 02:55 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Because I'm cutting and pasting off a website | 02:55 |
| jdub | 2.6.9-3 doesn't seem to be in the archive yet | 02:55 |
| mjg59 | jdub: Haha | 02:56 |
| mjg59 | Wait for it to hit, then | 02:56 |
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| fabbione | jdub: it will take 2/3 hours to be in the archive | 02:56 |
| mjg59 | Oh, and put your DSDT in /boot/DSDT.aml | 02:56 |
| fabbione | jdub: probably less if ccache will hit harder | 02:56 |
| mjg59 | Hmm. Where should we ask users to put fixed DSDTs? | 02:56 |
| fabbione | thom: what kind of crack does mdz wants? | 02:56 |
| fabbione | want even | 02:56 |
| mjg59 | /boot doesn't seem great | 02:56 |
| thom | fabbione: block optimisation and reading | 02:57 |
| thom | ie, get the kernel to tell us what pages/blocks its reading from during boot, and then reuse that | 02:57 |
| fabbione | thom: ok.. you need andrew morton for stuff like that | 02:57 |
| Mithrandir | I've been thinking about doing a crack-optimization for ext3.. like what MOSX is doing. | 02:58 |
| jdub | mjg59: /etc/mkinitrd...? | 02:58 |
| fabbione | thom: i was more concerned to make that patch a bootoption to switch it on/off | 02:58 |
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| mjg59 | jdub: Eww | 02:59 |
| === fabbione waves his crack to thom | ||
| thom | fabbione: yeah, i wouldn't bother right now | 02:59 |
| fabbione | thom: ok.. | 02:59 |
| fabbione | up to you 2 guys | 02:59 |
| daniels | Keybuk: bring your laptop to the bof room and we won't hit you with an orange of destiny | 02:59 |
| thom | sorry, shouldve said | 02:59 |
| thom | Keybuk: alternatively, tell us where you are | 03:00 |
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| Treenaks | thom: there are 4 rooms.. can't you search? :P | 03:00 |
| Keybuk | I might be Lamonting | 03:00 |
| daniels | Keybuk: your hp is so incredibly superior we need to steal it | 03:00 |
| thom | Treenaks: LAZINESS IS A VIRTUE | 03:00 |
| daniels | and its radeon mobility | 03:00 |
| Treenaks | thom: only for Perl people | 03:00 |
| thom | Keybuk: kamion was looking for lamont | 03:00 |
| Kamion | yeah, he knows | 03:00 |
| mjg59 | daniels: You need to steal its flawless ACPI support? | 03:01 |
| daniels | mjg59: vbe is not quick | 03:01 |
| mjg59 | daniels: No | 03:01 |
| daniels | we want to see how quick boot is with my make-gdm-quicker crack | 03:01 |
| mjg59 | It's not | 03:01 |
| daniels | and an actual video chipset | 03:01 |
| mjg59 | Haha | 03:01 |
| daniels | i855 is like the american beer of chipsets | 03:01 |
| mjg59 | If users are switching back and forth from X, they deserve to lose | 03:01 |
| thom | we wish to bestow bootchart love upon you | 03:01 |
| daniels | mjg59: bootup, dude | 03:01 |
| mjg59 | Oh man | 03:01 |
| Keybuk | but boot isn't slow? | 03:02 |
| daniels | we can make it faster :) | 03:02 |
| mjg59 | With VBERestore on, switching to console takes well under a second | 03:02 |
| Kamion | PRACTICALLY INSTANTANEOUS | 03:02 |
| mjg59 | Haha | 03:02 |
| Keybuk | you're going to kick ALSA in the head and make it take less than 15s to modprobe the module? | 03:02 |
| daniels | Keybuk: it sleeps for some reason | 03:03 |
| mjg59 | They're going to add & to the end of every modprobe | 03:03 |
| thom | Keybuk: coincidentally, i'm just about to find jordi | 03:03 |
| === fabbione ponders changing nick | ||
| thom | mjg59: *giggle* | 03:03 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: that'll be solved by hotplug, won't it? | 03:03 |
| === mjg59 has no idea what happens if you try that | ||
| thom | udevd for great justice | 03:03 |
| Mithrandir | uhm, yeah, udevd. | 03:04 |
| Keybuk | yo udevd, it's your birthday! | 03:04 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Stop or I will kill you | 03:04 |
| seb128 | elmo, zenity sync please | 03:09 |
| elmo | seb128: done | 03:09 |
| Mithrandir | am I the only one in the world who doesn't have an INBOX in my mail and think that any mail client that forces you to have one si insane? | 03:10 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: no | 03:10 |
| Keybuk | mail clients force you to have one? | 03:10 |
| seb128 | elmo, thanks | 03:10 |
| Kamion | lrwxrwxrwx 1 cjwatson cjwatson 18 Jun 8 2004 INBOX -> /var/mail/cjwatson | 03:10 |
| Kamion | lrwxrwxrwx 1 cjwatson cjwatson 18 Jun 8 2004 inbox -> /var/mail/cjwatson | 03:10 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: what kind of evil and wrong client/server combination are you using? | 03:11 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: I won't think how m-t is going to freak out if I remove INBOX. And besides, it might very well start up in a folder, but make that be configurable, preferably with %Y and similar magic | 03:12 |
| Keybuk | m-t? | 03:12 |
| Keybuk | oh, THUNDERBIRD | 03:12 |
| Keybuk | I still can't get over how they chose that as their mail client name, after fucking around trying to find someone that wasn't already used for Firefox | 03:12 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: you mean Moongorilla/ | 03:13 |
| Kamion | THUNDERPANTS | 03:13 |
| sivang | hehe | 03:13 |
| Mithrandir | it's one of the less insane clients. | 03:13 |
| daniels | Kamion: you know that was an actual movie, yeah? | 03:13 |
| Kamion | I just googled for it | 03:13 |
| daniels | Keybuk: 'firethingy' | 03:13 |
| Kamion | http://www.thunderwear.co.nz/go/home/index.cfm | 03:13 |
| daniels | Kamion: it was a movie about some kid who couldn't stop farting | 03:14 |
| daniels | seriously | 03:14 |
| fabbione | anybody has a freshmeat account? | 03:14 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: that depends, why? :) | 03:14 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: downloading a wm theme. | 03:14 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: you can't download without an account? | 03:15 |
| Treenaks | that's crack | 03:15 |
| daniels | <keybuk>freshmeat in crack shocker</keybuk> | 03:15 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: nope.. it tells you that it is a login only area | 03:15 |
| fabbione | probably because it's a horror theme or something | 03:15 |
| Treenaks | scary | 03:15 |
| fabbione | violence and crap like that | 03:15 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: you're wanted in s3kr1t channel. | 03:15 |
| fabbione | i am just too lazy to: a) register, b) go in my room to pick up the dvd and do one myself | 03:16 |
| fabbione | i guess i will opt for the second one later today | 03:17 |
| lupus_ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/polypaudio-alsa_0.7-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack): | 03:18 |
| lupus_ | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/polypaudio-0.7/libalsa-util.la', which is also in package polypaudio | 03:18 |
| lupus_ | Preparing to replace polypaudio-x11 0.6-1ubuntu1 (using .../polypaudio-x11_0.7-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ... | 03:18 |
| fabbione | ahhh got it | 03:19 |
| Kamion | anyone want to provide text for the comment above hoary-updates in the default /etc/apt/sources.list? (#3122) | 03:19 |
| seb128 | jdub, you broke polypaudio dude :p | 03:21 |
| mjg59 | Man, that jdub breaks everything | 03:22 |
| lupus_ | wasn't polyaudio at version 0.10? | 03:22 |
| fabbione | Kamion: hmmm difficult problem... | 03:25 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i am more for "let's add them" | 03:25 |
| Kamion | fabbione: argue with mdz | 03:26 |
| Kamion | :) | 03:26 |
| === Kamion goes for: | ||
| Kamion | ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced | 03:26 |
| Kamion | ## after the final release of the distribution. | 03:26 |
| Kamion | fabbione: one problem is that hoary-updates doesn't actually exist right now, so just adding it is a touch problematic | 03:27 |
| jdub | ahr | 03:27 |
| jdub | badness | 03:27 |
| fabbione | Kamion: don't we have our ftpmaster here around anyway? ;) | 03:27 |
| rburton | mvo: ping? | 03:28 |
| mvo | rburton: pong | 03:28 |
| Kamion | sure, he's busy just now though | 03:28 |
| Kamion | we can always change it later, plenty of time for base-config changes | 03:28 |
| rburton | mvo: got an arch repos for gnome-app-install going online now if you want to hack | 03:28 |
| fabbione | i would still prefer to have them commented out | 03:28 |
| mvo | cool, can you send me the adress and stuff? | 03:28 |
| Mithrandir | is there a howto on how to maintain debian packages in arch somewhere? | 03:29 |
| rburton | mvo: whats your email? | 03:29 |
| mvo | mvo@debian.org | 03:29 |
| lifeless | Mithrandir: manoj has one. | 03:29 |
| Mithrandir | lifeless: on p.d.o? | 03:30 |
| mvo | rburton: thanks a lot! | 03:30 |
| lifeless | Mithrandir: dunno | 03:33 |
| seb128 | thom, say to jordi that he's supposed to upload a new howl instead of hanging around | 03:33 |
| daniels | seb128: no, he has to fix alsa first | 03:34 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 03:35 |
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| sivang | seb128 : has anything happened to the "Programming" menu entry on the applications menu? I can'f find it anymore, nor I don't get it when installing the devhelp-book stuff, or the glade authoring environment. | 03:59 |
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| seb128 | sivang, same here | 04:06 |
| sivang | seb128 : strange, at home I have also a hoary and I have this menu item, anything intentionally changed or a sid sync on the menus? | 04:07 |
| trulux | hi | 04:07 |
| trulux | lamont, hey | 04:07 |
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| seb128 | daniels, grrrr, you have still not fixed the fd specifications !! | 04:09 |
| seb128 | hopefully google cache is nice :) | 04:10 |
| trulux | hi mdz | 04:10 |
| fabbione | parsechangelog/debian: warning: unknown urgency value crack - comparing very low, at changelog line 1 | 04:10 |
| fabbione | hmm | 04:10 |
| fabbione | elmo: can we fix that? | 04:11 |
| daniels | seb128: WEFRPOI#@$WQDFEWaesfiu | 04:11 |
| daniels | seb128: which spec do you desire a copy of? | 04:11 |
| seb128 | menu-spec would be nice ;) | 04:11 |
| daniels | seb128: (most of the generated HTML specs were broken in the old setup anyway) | 04:11 |
| elmo | fabbione: huh? | 04:12 |
| daniels | http://gabe.freedesktop.org/~daniels/menu-spec/ | 04:12 |
| seb128 | daniels, thanks | 04:15 |
| fabbione | parsechangelog/debian: warning: unknown urgency value "crack" | 04:15 |
| fabbione | ;) | 04:15 |
| daniels | no worries | 04:15 |
| daniels | hmm, I suppose I have to ia64ify l-r-m now | 04:16 |
| daniels | elmo: could I please get concordia's chroot jiggy and higgy with the latest headers too? | 04:17 |
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| thom | ok, S99sysklogd ; lets see what happens | 04:24 |
| elmo | daniels: done | 04:24 |
| daniels | elmo: thanks | 04:24 |
| daniels | MORE CRACK FOR THOM | 04:24 |
| daniels | he is clearly deficient in that regard | 04:25 |
| fabbione | i found an interesting way to break the kernel build system | 04:26 |
| fabbione | fabbione@gordian:/usr/src/wartydevel/kernel/linux-source-2.6.10-2.6.9+10rc3$ fakeroot make -f debian/rules clean | 04:26 |
| fabbione | debian/rules:79: *** first argument to `word' function must be greater than 0. Stop. | 04:26 |
| daniels | fabbione: awesome | 04:27 |
| fabbione | i think it's the +rc3 | 04:28 |
| sivang | anybody know if there is or isn't a pkg maintainace workshop? | 04:30 |
| sivang | it's 16:29, local time ;) | 04:30 |
| === sivang really expected this workshop | ||
| thom | dude, it may be crack, but it shaved 12 seconds off the boot | 04:34 |
| seb128 | thom, what did you do ? | 04:35 |
| thom | seb128: started sysklogd at S99 in rc2 | 04:35 |
| pitti | seb128: S99sysklogd :-) | 04:35 |
| fabbione | thom: i am seriously against it | 04:35 |
| seb128 | oh, ok :) | 04:35 |
| pitti | thom: but wouldn't that somewhat nullify the point of syslog? | 04:35 |
| smurfix_ | thom: Owch. | 04:35 |
| thom | well, yes | 04:35 |
| thom | i was just interested, i'm not planning on suggesting that we *do* it | 04:36 |
| pitti | thom: don't start gdm, it will further improve boot speed | 04:36 |
| thom | pitti: yeah, X sucks so hard | 04:36 |
| fabbione | thom: thanks :-) | 04:36 |
| pitti | thom: however, interesting that it gains _that_ much | 04:36 |
| smurfix_ | thom: So your next job is to figure out _why_ it slows down boot that much. ;-) | 04:36 |
| thom | pitti: indeed | 04:36 |
| smurfix_ | My first guess would be excessive syncing | 04:37 |
| thom | especially since most all the logs i have are async | 04:37 |
| smurfix_ | thom: there is that | 04:37 |
| mdz | trulux: hi | 04:37 |
| thom | i do wonder how much parallel init would win us | 04:38 |
| trulux | mdz, when doko would get available? i need to talk with him about the toolchain patches | 04:39 |
| mdz | trulux: he doesn't look terribly busy | 04:39 |
| === daniels looks at his solid disk light. | ||
| thom | mdz: you have eyes in the back of your head now? | 04:40 |
| lifeless | you looking on fdo? | 04:40 |
| daniels | lifeless: nope, fd.o is holding up fine | 04:40 |
| lifeless | :) | 04:40 |
| daniels | just trashing an X bulid tree so I can get another one | 04:41 |
| lifeless | bulid eh? | 04:41 |
| daniels | sure is | 04:43 |
| daniels | so I can timestamp all the logs | 04:43 |
| daniels | PROFILE X | 04:43 |
| bob2 | mjg59: daniels when I close the lid and open it again (which afaict only turns the backlight off) the top..20th of the csreen or so goes multicoloured, with everything else shifted down. switching to a vt and back again fixes it. | 04:43 |
| daniels | bob2: yeah, known issue | 04:44 |
| daniels | bob2: vberestore should fix that | 04:44 |
| bob2 | ah | 04:45 |
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| thom | and for my next trick, i shall replace depmod with a small shell script | 04:52 |
| seb128 | sivang, no, in fact it works fine here, the Programming category popup as soon as I install something using it | 04:52 |
| daniels | (thom isn't joking.) | 04:53 |
| mjg59 | bob2: Yeah. That's why lid.sh has chvt 12; chvt fgconsole; | 04:54 |
| mjg59 | jdub: Around? | 04:55 |
| Mithrandir | anybody use tla-buildpackage and friends? | 04:55 |
| thom | Mithrandir: tla-buildpackage or arch-buildpackage? tla-bp is utter crap from what i can tell (and lifelless agreed) | 04:56 |
| Mithrandir | what is it with those arch people forking and reinventing wheels? | 04:57 |
| Mithrandir | I'll use arch-bp, then | 04:57 |
| thom | tla-bp is goerzen shit, fwicr | 04:57 |
| Mithrandir | it's hard to tell the crackheads apart in tla-world. | 04:58 |
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| Mithrandir | and arch-bp is asuffield crack | 04:59 |
| robtaylor | wheee!!! | 04:59 |
| thom | yeah, but is actually not shit | 04:59 |
| Mithrandir | it's just crack? | 04:59 |
| mjg59 | Hoi | 05:00 |
| mjg59 | People with laptops | 05:00 |
| mjg59 | Can you test something for me? | 05:00 |
| thom | yo | 05:00 |
| mjg59 | (Warning: may result in loss of unsaved work) | 05:00 |
| Mithrandir | depends | 05:00 |
| mjg59 | thom: Haha | 05:00 |
| mjg59 | I've tested on X40 already | 05:00 |
| robtaylor | mjg59: people with laptops near you, or people with laptops in general? | 05:00 |
| thom | oh well | 05:01 |
| Mithrandir | somebody has made Postgres 8.0rc1 live cds. | 05:01 |
| thom | i shall go back to doing stupid things in the name of booting fast | 05:01 |
| mjg59 | In general | 05:01 |
| mjg59 | I need people to run http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/vm86_video_post from a text console and tell me what happens | 05:01 |
| mjg59 | (Warning: may result in loss of video) | 05:02 |
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| Mithrandir | thom: does it have any docs? | 05:02 |
| Keybuk | what kind of cards you after? | 05:02 |
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| mjg59 | Keybuk: Any/all | 05:02 |
| thom | Mithrandir: yeah, somewhere | 05:03 |
| robtaylor | mjg59: will try it out as soon as i get home.. | 05:03 |
| Mithrandir | thom: how useful. I'll go look somewhere, then. | 05:03 |
| bob2 | mjg59: worth trying on my apparently buggier x40? | 05:03 |
| mjg59 | Go for it | 05:03 |
| thom | Mithrandir: in /usr/share/doc; iirc | 05:03 |
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| Mithrandir | heh, ok | 05:03 |
| Mithrandir | thx | 05:03 |
| bob2 | mjg59: scott wants to know if he can unfuck his video now | 05:03 |
| bob2 | since he missed the disclaimer | 05:03 |
| bob2 | and is now whinging | 05:04 |
| mjg59 | How fucked is it? | 05:04 |
| bob2 | L lovely strip pattern | 05:04 |
| mjg59 | Hrm. | 05:04 |
| bob2 | I believe the goodies had trousers like it in the 70's | 05:04 |
| mjg59 | Tell him to switch to X again. | 05:04 |
| bob2 | no dice | 05:04 |
| mjg59 | Away from X and back again? | 05:04 |
| Mithrandir | seems like he rebooted | 05:05 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 05:05 |
| bob2 | he hasn't he rebooted | 05:05 |
| bob2 | seems his kernel went down | 05:05 |
| mjg59 | Oh dear. | 05:05 |
| bob2 | mjg59: keys did nothing at all | 05:05 |
| mjg59 | That's slightly depressing. | 05:05 |
| === robtaylor hopes Keybuk doesn't go and kill mjg59 now.. | ||
| bob2 | daniels: thom oi | 05:06 |
| bob2 | scott wants you to break his machine now | 05:06 |
| mjg59 | Oh, hang on | 05:07 |
| thom | where is he? | 05:07 |
| mjg59 | I see why that might have happened | 05:07 |
| bob2 | quiet room | 05:07 |
| bob2 | but it's rather unquiet | 05:07 |
| daniels | oh, cool | 05:07 |
| thom | bob2: please ask him to come to the bof room so we can talk? | 05:07 |
| daniels | the bof room is way cooler | 05:07 |
| mjg59 | Someone tell Scott I fucked up, and can I give him another one to try? | 05:07 |
| bob2 | he's slightly bitter but willing | 05:08 |
| daniels | mjg59: what'd you put in ax? | 05:08 |
| bob2 | like english coffee | 05:08 |
| mjg59 | daniels: 0x100, not 105 | 05:08 |
| daniels | mjg59: oops | 05:08 |
| mjg59 | Oh, argh. Now I need to work out whether it's supposed to be 105 or 150 | 05:08 |
| mjg59 | Right. 150. | 05:09 |
| mjg59 | Can someone get him to try http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/scott_vm86_video_post | 05:09 |
| mjg59 | (and tell him that he's lovely and I'm sorry I screwed his screen) | 05:10 |
| seb128 | <Keybuk> thom's playing fucky-pants with it at the moment | 05:11 |
| mjg59 | Haha | 05:12 |
| jdub | mjg59: back | 05:14 |
| mjg59 | jdub: Can you stick a lspci somewhere and then test something for me? | 05:14 |
| mjg59 | (note: may result in strange patterns on LCD) | 05:15 |
| jdub | heh | 05:15 |
| jdub | okay | 05:15 |
| mjg59 | Something entertaining has suddenly come to mind. Oh well. | 05:16 |
| rburton | jdub: what's this i hear about gnome-app-install and instant apply | 05:17 |
| rburton | crack i say! | 05:17 |
| jdub | rburton: one sec | 05:17 |
| jdub | mjg59: mailed | 05:17 |
| jdub | rburton: what do you think about swapping the checkboxes with install/remove buttons? | 05:17 |
| jdub | rburton: this was suggested at the bof - i'm not convinced. | 05:18 |
| rburton | jdub: my argument against instant apply is what if the user installs OO.o? | 05:18 |
| rburton | they'll have to wait ageeees until they can also select another application, if they want to install two | 05:18 |
| jdub | it was not so much instant apply as "press the install button per package" | 05:18 |
| jdub | which results in an immediate install | 05:18 |
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| Keybuk | mjg59: ok fuckhead, what's your clever second binary URL? :p | 05:19 |
| robtaylor | jdub: install/remove buttons sound saner | 05:19 |
| Mithrandir | http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/scott_vm86_video_post | 05:19 |
| jdub | i think it's going to require some convincing of ross and i | 05:19 |
| jdub | or beer | 05:19 |
| daniels | same thing | 05:20 |
| mjg59 | Arse | 05:20 |
| rburton | jdub: sounds like instant apply to me. mvo thinks its crack too | 05:20 |
| robtaylor | jdub: beer for you on thursday night then... | 05:20 |
| mjg59 | jdub: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/jdub_vm86_video_post ? | 05:20 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: new form of wallpaper | 05:20 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Mm? | 05:20 |
| thom | mjg59: that new one is still pretty wallpaper | 05:20 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: for Keybuk, that is. | 05:20 |
| thom | (says scott) | 05:20 |
| Mithrandir | thom: not very pretty.. more psychedelic | 05:21 |
| rburton | waaa | 05:21 |
| Mithrandir | like, vertical bright colored stripes. | 05:21 |
| mjg59 | Maybe it's supposed to be bus,device and not bus,device,function | 05:21 |
| === mjg59 wonders | ||
| rburton | daniels: why can't i click on the links on fd.o to get to the .desktop specs! :) | 05:21 |
| daniels | rburton: BECAUSE YOU WILL DIE SHORTLY | 05:21 |
| daniels | that's why :P | 05:21 |
| rburton | oh. | 05:21 |
| mjg59 | Interestingly, machines that break with video_post are almost exclusively machines which don't have video at 01:00.0 | 05:22 |
| === mjg59 tries to find one of those around here | ||
| === fabbione points Kamion to http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-source-2.6.9/2.6.9-3/ | ||
| fabbione | PUMP UP THE VOLUME BABY | 05:24 |
| fabbione | MAKE IA64 SING MAN! | 05:24 |
| mdz | elmo: can I get a copy of that bzip2 diveintopython deb as a test case? | 05:25 |
| daniels | rburton: http://gabe.freedesktop.org/~daniels/desktop-entry-spec/ | 05:25 |
| daniels | mjg59: hmmm | 05:25 |
| daniels | mjg59: 0000:00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) | 05:26 |
| daniels | (no, I'm not going to tank my X session right now) | 05:26 |
| jdub | mjg59: run this as root? | 05:26 |
| rburton | daniels: you rock | 05:26 |
| seb128 | no, he sucks | 05:26 |
| jdub | rburton: do you like gnome-menus? | 05:26 |
| fabbione | daniels IS teh suck | 05:26 |
| jdub | rburton: reckon we could do g-a-i stuff via gnome-menus? | 05:26 |
| seb128 | I'm stucked with a 1024x768 resolution | 05:27 |
| elmo | mdz: it's in my home dir on chinstrap | 05:27 |
| daniels | fabbione: and how! | 05:27 |
| daniels | fabbione: what've I done now? | 05:27 |
| fabbione | daniels: oh yeah.. more than a pornstar | 05:27 |
| daniels | whoo | 05:27 |
| fabbione | daniels: nothing ... yet... | 05:27 |
| fabbione | :P | 05:27 |
| mdz | elmo: thanks | 05:27 |
| daniels | haha | 05:27 |
| daniels | i'm PROFILING X, MAN | 05:28 |
| mdz | elmo: I've got the changes to apt more or less done, needs testing | 05:28 |
| daniels | (bad shot.) | 05:28 |
| fabbione | daniels: should i try again? | 05:28 |
| rburton | jdub: hell yeah | 05:28 |
| daniels | only if you stay where you are now | 05:28 |
| mjg59 | jdub: Yeah | 05:28 |
| rburton | jdub: actually i've got bits of 2.9 installed on my sid box, i'll give it a go later | 05:28 |
| daniels | nice work | 05:28 |
| fabbione | ahaha | 05:28 |
| rburton | mallum says the default desktop wallpaper looks shit on 3072x768 | 05:29 |
| daniels | rburton: ... xinerama? | 05:29 |
| mjg59 | daniels: That's a very good point | 05:29 |
| sivang | ogra : here? | 05:29 |
| mjg59 | I wonder why it works here. | 05:29 |
| elmo | mdz: neato | 05:29 |
| daniels | or just multi-screen | 05:29 |
| bob2 | if mellum gives me his screens, I will volunteer to fix it | 05:29 |
| rburton | daniels: xinerama | 05:30 |
| daniels | his tfts are beautiful | 05:30 |
| daniels | bob2: (mallum) | 05:30 |
| jdub | rburton: rocking, that'll be very sweet | 05:30 |
| rburton | daniels: dude, they are sucky tfts | 05:30 |
| jdub | mjg59: is this going to crash, break, halt...? | 05:30 |
| daniels | rburton: are they? | 05:30 |
| daniels | they looked shiny, at least, and there were three of them | 05:30 |
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| daniels | that negates any suckage | 05:30 |
| rburton | daniels: i thought they were cheap ones, but yeah, three screens rocks | 05:31 |
| daniels | ahr | 05:31 |
| daniels | yeah | 05:31 |
| === Mithrandir ponders getting two decent ones. | ||
| rburton | i think ubuntu needs a super-widescreen version of all wallpaper | 05:31 |
| fabbione | daniels: if you want to make X faster, just stick some gentoo options at build time | 05:31 |
| fabbione | -o1337 | 05:31 |
| fabbione | or stuff like that | 05:31 |
| mjg59 | jdub: Might give weird screen effects | 05:31 |
| rburton | maybe the blonde laying across them all | 05:31 |
| daniels | fabbione: i'm settling for timestamping on the logs atm | 05:31 |
| fabbione | daniels: what part of the code do you expect to optimize? | 05:32 |
| fabbione | daniels: if you are luck you can manage to kill some startup sanity checks | 05:32 |
| jdub | mjg59: hmm | 05:33 |
| fabbione | once you know the previous startup was safe and no changes to the config have been done | 05:33 |
| jdub | mjg59: smoother than normal suspend/resume | 05:33 |
| jamesh | the wallpaper also looks shit at 2560*1024 | 05:33 |
| fabbione | same at home | 05:33 |
| jdub | mjg59: now i don't have a mouse cursor | 05:33 |
| Mithrandir | mice are for weenies | 05:33 |
| mjg59 | jdub: What you do it from a text console? | 05:33 |
| jdub | what if or did i? | 05:33 |
| jamesh | the fix is probably to get Nautilus or Eel to repeat the wallpaper for xinerama-style multiscreen | 05:34 |
| mjg59 | jdub: Oops. Did you? | 05:34 |
| jamesh | multi-head, even | 05:34 |
| jdub | mjg59: no, i didn't | 05:34 |
| mjg59 | jdub: Ah. Could you try? | 05:34 |
| daniels | fabbione: well, if anything, we'll just find where the huge bottlenecks are | 05:34 |
| daniels | we know where that is for i855: VBE | 05:34 |
| daniels | but who knows, we might turn up stuff like the ICE sleep | 05:34 |
| Treenaks | jdub: did you get my mail yesterday about the -nl mailinglist? | 05:35 |
| Treenaks | (not sure I sent it to the right address) | 05:35 |
| fabbione | daniels: yeah | 05:35 |
| mjg59 | Has jdub's laptop blown up? | 05:36 |
| jdub | Treenaks: hrm, i don't think so | 05:36 |
| jdub | mjg59: no | 05:36 |
| jdub | mjg59: running around a bit :) | 05:36 |
| mjg59 | Heh | 05:36 |
| jdub | it was just kinda weird | 05:36 |
| Treenaks | jdub: well, could you create it? :) | 05:37 |
| jdub | Treenaks: can you mail a summary and description of the list? | 05:37 |
| jdub | mjg59: in both cases it flashed weirdly | 05:37 |
| Treenaks | jdub: uh OK, what's the right address? | 05:37 |
| jdub | mjg59: from X it came back to X | 05:37 |
| jdub | Treenaks: jeff.waugh@canonical.com | 05:37 |
| mjg59 | jdub: But none of the screen melting that you got before? | 05:38 |
| Treenaks | jdub: ok, thanks | 05:38 |
| jdub | mjg59: no | 05:38 |
| jdub | mjg59: good point :) | 05:38 |
| jdub | mjg59: hrm, i'll have to try console again | 05:38 |
| jdub | mjg59: it didn't return to the console properly | 05:38 |
| jdub | mjg59: just about to start a bof though | 05:39 |
| === thom watches daniels rip random sleeps out of X | ||
| mjg59 | jdub: You'd need to at least hit enter again after running it | 05:39 |
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| Kamion | fabbione: rock | 05:44 |
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| Kamion | FABBIONE | 05:49 |
| Kamion | where have all my powerpc nic-modules gone? | 05:49 |
| thom | *giggle* | 05:51 |
| Kamion | specifically sungem, but there are several other missing ones | 05:52 |
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| Treenaks | Kamion: restricted-modules? | 05:52 |
| Kamion | hell no! | 05:53 |
| Kamion | I don't see why it isn't getting built, the list files are right | 05:54 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ehhh??? | 05:54 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i didn't touch anything on ppc | 05:54 |
| Kamion | fabbione: it's between 2.6.8.1-19 and 2.6.9-1 | 05:55 |
| fabbione | Kamion: the lists are the same | 05:55 |
| fabbione | Kamion: we need to check the ppc logs | 05:55 |
| fabbione | as soon as they will be available | 05:56 |
| Kamion | they're available, 2.6.9-1 and 2.6.9-2 are both broken this way | 05:56 |
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| === fabbione suspects something broken in kernel-wedge | ||
| fabbione | Kamion: hold on | 05:57 |
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| Kamion | mmm, I tend to agree | 05:58 |
| Kamion | which is SCARY | 05:58 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i am checking on the port box | 05:58 |
| fabbione | Kamion: can you tell me an exact package name that is missing | 05:58 |
| fabbione | ? | 05:58 |
| Kamion | missing module drivers/net/mv64340_eth.o | 05:58 |
| Kamion | that's in the build log; it might well be giving up there | 05:59 |
| Kamion | it's not packages that are missing, just some modules from nic-modules | 05:59 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 05:59 |
| fabbione | HMM | 05:59 |
| Kamion | did that driver get renamed? | 05:59 |
| fabbione | i understood that there were missing udebs from the lists | 05:59 |
| fabbione | Kamion | 05:59 |
| fabbione | not that i am aware of | 05:59 |
| mjg59 | That driver got renamed, I think | 05:59 |
| Kamion | it's not in 2.6.8.1 either though | 06:00 |
| mjg59 | It's 643xx | 06:00 |
| mjg59 | (now) | 06:00 |
| Kamion | kinda makes me wonder how it ever worked | 06:00 |
| fabbione | Kamion: what are modules are missing? | 06:01 |
| Kamion | fabbione: hang on a sec | 06:03 |
| fabbione | Kamion: sure... take all the time you need | 06:04 |
| fabbione | i am trying to figure out an easy path to package the kernel without too much crack | 06:04 |
| Kamion | they seem to have disappeared in either 2.6.8.1-18 and 2.6.8.1-19 | 06:04 |
| Kamion | in fact mv64340_eth disappeared from the .deb at that time, for no reason that's explained in the changelog | 06:04 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i am really sure i didn't change anything in terms of compilation | 06:05 |
| fabbione | other than adding the udeb generation from linux-source | 06:05 |
| fabbione | and adding sparc | 06:05 |
| fabbione | but no config updates or anything took place in 2.6.8.21 | 06:05 |
| fabbione | hem | 06:06 |
| fabbione | .1 | 06:06 |
| Kamion | -18_powerpc.deb seems to be missing from the morgue though | 06:08 |
| fabbione | -18 never had the time to compile | 06:08 |
| fabbione | -19 arrived in less than 20 minutes after | 06:08 |
| fabbione | so -17 -> -19 diff is ok | 06:08 |
| Kamion | ah, ok | 06:08 |
| === fabbione needs some crack | ||
| mdz | elmo: have you grepped for data.tar.gz in katie? | 06:11 |
| mdz | elmo: the python API is such that if you want data.tar.gz, you ask for it by name | 06:11 |
| mdz | elmo: I've fixed the bit where it will abort if it isn't present, and fixed apt-ftparchive contents | 06:11 |
| mdz | elmo: anything else would be a problem external to apt | 06:11 |
| elmo | mdz: yeah, I know it does dude, but there was a bit of python-apt that needed fixed :P | 06:12 |
| mdz | elmo: which bit? | 06:13 |
| mdz | the only problem I found which I thought would affect katie was the check which bombed out if data.tar.gz was missing, in libapt-inst | 06:14 |
| mdz | python-apt doesn't reference data.tar.gz | 06:14 |
| elmo | Rejected: diveintopython_5.4-1ubuntu1_all.deb: deb contents timestamp check failed [exceptions.SystemError: This is not a valid | 06:14 |
| elmo | DEB archive, missing 'data.tar.gz' member] | 06:14 |
| elmo | that bit in [] doesn't come from katie ... | 06:15 |
| mdz | yep, that's the bit I fixed | 06:15 |
| elmo | well okay, after the : ;P | 06:15 |
| elmo | ok | 06:15 |
| mdz | so if that's the only error you encountered, we're in good shape | 06:15 |
| mdz | katie doesn't actually do anything with data.tar.(gz|bz2), right? | 06:15 |
| elmo | "do" how? it does checks on it | 06:15 |
| elmo | actually, it's just the timestamps check that matters immediately | 06:16 |
| elmo | I'll have to fix the NEW checking stuff too, but that's less critical | 06:16 |
| mdz | ah, ok | 06:20 |
| Kamion | fabbione: right, looks like it's just mv64340_eth; if you restore the CONFIG_MV64340_ETH* config entries from 2.6.8.1-19, s/MV64340/MV643XX/g on that, and s/mv64340/mv643xx/g on debian/d-i/powerpc/modules/powerpc/nic-modules, that should do it | 06:24 |
| Kamion | fabbione: however, the fact that the build didn't fail is a pretty serious kernel-wedge bug ... | 06:25 |
| daniels | (gdb) | 06:31 |
| daniels | 568 LogVWrite(-1, f, args); | 06:31 |
| daniels | (gdb) print f | 06:31 |
| daniels | $3 = 0x81cf1c4 "\nFatal server error:\n" | 06:31 |
| daniels | (gdb) print args | 06:31 |
| daniels | $4 = 0xbfffd6e4 "" | 06:31 |
| daniels | (gdb) step | 06:31 |
| daniels | Breakpoint 1, LogVWrite (verb=136387520, f=0x0, args=0x0) at log.c:256 | 06:31 |
| daniels | wtf? | 06:31 |
| fabbione | Kamion: kernel-wedge didn't fail because of the || true | 06:35 |
| fabbione | Kamion: since it was barfing on other unrelated problems | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | HRNGH. | 06:35 |
| === mjg59 discovers that video_post gets its PCI device ID calculations wrong | ||
| Kamion | uh. you run kernel-wedge with || true? | 06:35 |
| fabbione | Kamion: isn't the driver built on 2.6.9 at all? afaik it does, but i can double check that | 06:36 |
| fabbione | Kamion: yes, we already discuss it a few days back. | 06:36 |
| Kamion | it's not built at all; you need to change the config | 06:36 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ok. that's easy to do. | 06:36 |
| Kamion | hm, ok, don't remind me, I don't want to know :) | 06:36 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i will remind you instead :-) | 06:37 |
| fabbione | kernel-wedge is not designed to face that mess | 06:37 |
| Kamion | looking at the diff the settings actually got deleted from the powerpc configs in 2.6.9-1 | 06:37 |
| fabbione | and it barfs on the debs | 06:37 |
| fabbione | Kamion: if a CONFIG_* doesn't exist anymore, it gets automatically deleted, but the weird thing is why i wasn' | 06:37 |
| fabbione | wasn't prompted for the new one | 06:38 |
| Kamion | mkay | 06:38 |
| === Mithrandir grumbles at no gaim-dev | ||
| mjg59 | daniels: Ok, so it turns out that video_post has generally been initialising the wrong video card | 06:38 |
| mjg59 | Which explains a lot of the misery | 06:38 |
| Mithrandir | heh | 06:39 |
| === Keybuk makes obscene gestures at mjg59 | ||
| mjg59 | Keybuk: I've still no idea why it doesn't work on yours, but if you want to try my latest version of it, feel free | 06:40 |
| Keybuk | the screen goes black (dpms-style) | 06:41 |
| Keybuk | then when you switch to the X display, X go bye-bye and shows a picture of my gran's wallpaper | 06:41 |
| Keybuk | (tasteless green and white vertical stripes) | 06:42 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Oh, right! | 06:42 |
| mjg59 | That happens when you switch back to X? | 06:42 |
| Keybuk | yes | 06:42 |
| mjg59 | Can you add Option VBERestore true to your device section? | 06:42 |
| Keybuk | it doesn't restore at all otherwise | 06:42 |
| mjg59 | That's X getting horribly confused, then | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | I can try, but can't test for a while | 06:43 |
| mjg59 | Rather than my code being broken | 06:43 |
| mjg59 | Rock | 06:43 |
| daniels | to be fair, your video card usually isn't posted into an unknown state from under you | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | which device section? | 06:43 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: The ati one | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | both? | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | there's two | 06:43 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: There are? | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | yeh, laptop has two screens | 06:43 |
| mjg59 | Oh, right | 06:44 |
| mjg59 | The primary one, then | 06:44 |
| Keybuk | right | 06:44 |
| Keybuk | can't test for a bit though, I'm coding and don't want X dieing *again* | 06:44 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Hang on a sec. How about we do vbe save/restore from userspace on ACPI rather than have the X server do it all the time? | 06:44 |
| mjg59 | Would that improve your performance issues? | 06:44 |
| daniels | mjg59: it would improve i855's performance massively, but I think I can get a reasonable performance boost with some other shit I'm working on | 06:45 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Ok, I'll look into that now | 06:46 |
| mjg59 | (It'll be x86 only, but...) | 06:46 |
| daniels | unfortunately, if you declare a pointer in local scope in LogVWrite, its arguments go away | 06:46 |
| daniels | which sucks, because it's shit right now | 06:46 |
| === daniels reboots. | ||
| Treenaks | daniels: like, removing random sleep()s? | 06:47 |
| daniels | Treenaks: partially, yah :) | 06:47 |
| fabbione | isn't trukulo around? | 06:52 |
| fabbione | i tought he was coming here today | 06:52 |
| === Kamion emerges from scary sbuild weirdness | ||
| Kamion | do we want to start defaulting to new kernels soon? | 06:57 |
| Kamion | I ask because I need to change rootskel to use 2.6.9 anyway on ia64 | 06:57 |
| === lamont_r thanks Kamion for fighting the fearsome sbuild-monster. | ||
| fabbione | Kamion: i am doing a testbuild right now | 06:58 |
| fabbione | Kamion: go ahead and switch to 2.6.9 | 06:59 |
| fabbione | i don't think we have any more regressions other than the ppc bits | 06:59 |
| fabbione | that i can easily upload this evening | 06:59 |
| fabbione | since it's a simple thing | 06:59 |
| Kamion | we should switch linux-meta as well to get the right packages on the CD | 07:01 |
| Kamion | mdz: feel like doing that? | 07:02 |
| fabbione | mdz: if so.. can you also add sparc please? | 07:02 |
| Kamion | and at some point I should actually release a new Array CD. :) | 07:02 |
| fabbione | ehehe | 07:05 |
| Treenaks | oooh.... coolness.... http://www.syswear.com/ | 07:09 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i figured why it didn't build at all | 07:12 |
| fabbione | Kamion: and i wasn't prompted for the new symbol | 07:13 |
| fabbione | this is a pain to fix | 07:13 |
| === thom waves goodbye to depmod | ||
| sladen | thom: according to mjg59 Scitech have already split the x86 emulator out from X and it's on their website | 07:19 |
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| mjg59 | (scitech wrote the x86 emulator in X) | 07:20 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i am going to readd that stuff, but you will have to test it | 07:26 |
| fabbione | Kamion: not even google knows where the patch Herbert applied comes from | 07:27 |
| Kamion | fabbione: sure; I can't test that driver though, the one I was missing on my hardware was sungem | 07:28 |
| mjg59 | Is this the Marvel driver? | 07:28 |
| Kamion | fabbione: which got lost 'cos it was after mv64340_eth in the modules file | 07:28 |
| mjg59 | If so, it probably came from Sven | 07:28 |
| Kamion | fabbione: I checked, nothing else was missing | 07:28 |
| Kamion | oh, I wonder if my pegasos has it? | 07:28 |
| mjg59 | It's the gigabit ethernet on the Pegasos 2 | 07:28 |
| Kamion | $ ssh crydee | 07:28 |
| Kamion | ssh: connect to address 192.168.124.37 port 22: No route to host | 07:28 |
| mjg59 | Haha | 07:29 |
| Kamion | d'oh, maybe it fell over | 07:29 |
| Kamion | well, I'll give it a go when I get home, can only plug 100mbit into it though | 07:29 |
| fabbione | Kamion | 07:30 |
| fabbione | i don't think sven can even code 2 lines of what is in that patch | 07:30 |
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| mjg59 | fabbione: Sven won't have written it, but it'll have come through bplan | 07:32 |
| mjg59 | (or genesi, or whicever bit of the company is pretending to have money this week) | 07:32 |
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| fabbione | mjg59: i will rather rediff it than ask him for a new patch | 07:32 |
| mjg59 | Haha | 07:33 |
| mjg59 | But isn't it in the stock kernel now? | 07:33 |
| mjg59 | As mv643xx rather than mv64340 | 07:33 |
| fabbione | no the pegasos part | 07:33 |
| mjg59 | There's only something like 1000 Pegasoses in the wild, and most of those are with developers, so I wouldn't worry about it too much | 07:34 |
| fabbione | mjg59: well.. Kamion has been asking for it :-) | 07:37 |
| fabbione | in anycase the thingy is partially merged | 07:38 |
| fabbione | the rejects are trivial to merge | 07:38 |
| fabbione | there were 2/3 lines that were *scary* | 07:38 |
| Kamion | fabbione: no I haven't? | 07:38 |
| fabbione | but nothing impossible to do | 07:38 |
| mdz | fabbione: you have a fix for the usb-storage bug? | 07:38 |
| fabbione | Kamion: for the mv643xx ? | 07:38 |
| Kamion | I want mv64340_eth to build so that it and everything after it alphabetically end up in the nic-modules udeb | 07:38 |
| Kamion | sorry, mv643xx_eth | 07:38 |
| fabbione | Kamion: we are talking about the same driver | 07:38 |
| Kamion | I don't especially care whether or not it works :) | 07:38 |
| Kamion | yes, I know | 07:38 |
| Kamion | 18:37 < fabbione> mjg59: well.. Kamion has been asking for it :-) | 07:38 |
| fabbione | Kamion: it doesn't build on ppc if the code is not merged : | 07:39 |
| fabbione | :-) | 07:39 |
| Kamion | ah, I see | 07:39 |
| fabbione | + #ifdef __PPC__ | 07:39 |
| fabbione | + dev->irq = 9; | 07:39 |
| fabbione | + #else | 07:39 |
| fabbione | dev->irq = ETH_PORT0_IRQ_NUM + port_num; | 07:39 |
| fabbione | + #endif | 07:39 |
| fabbione | 07:39 | |
| fabbione | stuff like this :-) | 07:39 |
| fabbione | mdz: i did change the config on your request. the ohter bug is in the scsi layer | 07:39 |
| fabbione | mdz: if you can check bugzilla on kernel.org for a patch would help kthxbye :-) | 07:40 |
| mdz | fabbione: we cannot use 2.6.9 as default until that bug is fixed. it is a serious regression from 2.6.8.1 | 07:40 |
| mdz | it is not clear whether the bug is in scsi or usb | 07:41 |
| mdz | I am on the CC list for the kernel.org bug; there has been no activity that I saw | 07:41 |
| Kamion | at the moment we are using 2.6.9 in the installer and 2.6.8.1 in the installed system, which is crack | 07:41 |
| Kamion | it will result in hotplug desync | 07:41 |
| mdz | but I have no idea whether the people who work on those subsystems actually look at bugzilla at all | 07:41 |
| Kamion | if we are going to use 2.6.9 in hoary I'd rather that we defaulted to it now | 07:42 |
| mdz | it makes me unable to do necessary development tasks | 07:42 |
| fabbione | mdz: we did disable the usb_blk_ub thingy already | 07:42 |
| Kamion | I thought Fabio had turned off the worst of it | 07:43 |
| mdz | fabbione: yes, I know | 07:43 |
| fabbione | mdz: and there are 2 bugs on bugzilla.k.o about the same stuff | 07:43 |
| mdz | that is one out of two show-stopper bugs | 07:43 |
| fabbione | one of the says that it is in the scsi layer | 07:43 |
| fabbione | and that has been fixed | 07:43 |
| fabbione | in some 2.6.10-crack version | 07:43 |
| mdz | the comment that says it is in the scsi layer is from someone who has no idea what they are talking about | 07:43 |
| mdz | oh, good | 07:43 |
| mdz | so we can pull the patch and be done with it | 07:43 |
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| fabbione | mdz: if you know what to pull.... | 07:44 |
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| fabbione | mdz: it's not a case that today i started a little crack branch | 07:44 |
| mdz | er | 07:44 |
| mdz | I am looking at the kernel.org bugs and I see no indication that it is fixed anywhere | 07:44 |
| mdz | where did you see that? | 07:44 |
| fabbione | it was in the bug report | 07:44 |
| fabbione | it is written something like "this has been fixed a while ago" | 07:45 |
| fabbione | or similar | 07:45 |
| mdz | you must be looking at a different bug than I am | 07:45 |
| mdz | http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3787 | 07:45 |
| fabbione | mdz: possibly | 07:45 |
| mdz | http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3829 | 07:45 |
| fabbione | i don't have it handy now | 07:45 |
| mdz | those are the two that I am aware of | 07:45 |
| fabbione | i looked for a few days back | 07:45 |
| fabbione | mdz: you will be my testing bitch :-) | 07:46 |
| fabbione | because i already have this: | 07:46 |
| fabbione | linux-source-2.6.10-2.6.10 linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-0rc3.dsc | 07:46 |
| fabbione | linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-0rc3.diff.gz linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10.orig.tar.gz | 07:46 |
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| herzi | 'd | 07:48 |
| fabbione | + this is kinda.. hmmm hoary? | 07:49 |
| fabbione | so i mean.. it can break | 07:49 |
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| trulux | anybody here with usb 2.0? :P | 08:18 |
| trulux | i can't get working an external ide-to-usb disk | 08:18 |
| trulux | the typical usb-storage device | 08:18 |
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| mjg59 | daniels: The good news is, I have code that can save and restore state from userspace | 08:28 |
| mjg59 | daniels: The bad news is, it dies if it's run under X | 08:28 |
| mjg59 | This isn't /necessarily/ a problem | 08:28 |
| mjg59 | But I'll look at that later on | 08:28 |
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| bronson_ | Anyone know if there are plans to get the CVS xorg into Hoary? | 09:54 |
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| === sid77 hi! | ||
| ironwolf | bronson: daniels might know. | 10:14 |
| moquist | hi sid77 | 10:15 |
| daniels | mjg59: the posting stuff dies? | 10:41 |
| daniels | bronson_: 6.8.2, yes, and I've already taken most of it back | 10:41 |
| daniels | bronson_: but really, nothing interesting is otherwise happening in cvs, other than a pending reorganisation | 10:41 |
| mjg59 | daniels: No, VBE save/restore | 10:41 |
| mjg59 | POST+vbe state restore+X might be enough | 10:42 |
| daniels | which won't be interesting from a user point of view | 10:42 |
| mjg59 | Mm? | 10:42 |
| mjg59 | If the user ever runs this stuff, they deserve what they get :) | 10:42 |
| mjg59 | Actually, it should check that it's running on a console and exit otherwise | 10:42 |
| mjg59 | So we switch away from X, save state, suspend, POST, restore state, switch back to X | 10:43 |
| mjg59 | Which ought to let you drop VBERestore from X | 10:43 |
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| mjg59 | daniels: So vberestore save sends vbestate to stdout. vberestore restore accepts it from stdout. | 10:52 |
| daniels | mjg59: heh, yeah :) | 10:54 |
| daniels | mjg59: right, sounds sane | 10:54 |
| daniels | cool | 10:54 |
| daniels | mjg59: you could hac^H^Hook into xf86EnterVT() and xf86LeaveVT() if you were feeling particularly sick | 10:55 |
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| bronson_ | daniels: taken most of it back? what do you mean? | 10:56 |
| mjg59 | daniels: That just sounds... unnecessary | 10:57 |
| bronson_ | 6.8.2 turns off the backlight on my laptop. I'm hoping I can wait a week and download new packages, rather than trying to compile x myself... | 10:57 |
| mjg59 | daniels: That functionality is centralised anyway, so I'm not sure why some drivers don't use it | 10:58 |
| bronson_ | I want to try it so I can close the bug filed on xorg bugzilla. | 10:58 |
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| bob2 | thom: daniels discovered he was too soft to come back | 11:10 |
| Treenaks | wow | 11:10 |
| Treenaks | 11mbit in my room ;) | 11:11 |
| Kamion | fabbione: let me know when you've done the linux-meta update for ia64 (lamont said you were doing it?), so I can update rootskel and base-installer | 11:12 |
| thom | lamer | 11:12 |
| Kamion | fabbione: what should I do in the installer if I spot sparc32? erroring out requires a string change ... | 11:13 |
| === Kamion is inclined to ignore it on the basis that you couldn't have got that far since we don't have sparc64 images | ||
| Kamion | er, sparc32 images | 11:13 |
| Treenaks | jdub is on slashdot again.. his name at least | 11:13 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Rocking | 11:15 |
| mjg59 | I can do vbesave and vberestore | 11:15 |
| bob2 | mjg59: daniels is suggesting that unloading ipw2100 before sleep might make it more stable | 11:16 |
| mjg59 | I do that, don't I? | 11:16 |
| mjg59 | Hrm. That's interesting. X is taking about 30% of CPU. | 11:16 |
| bob2 | not in /etc/acpi on my system | 11:17 |
| bob2 | maybe daniels' crack doesn't | 11:17 |
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| mjg59 | Ah | 11:18 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, you want my crack | 11:18 |
| mxpxpod | I compiled my own kernel and did make-kpkg kernel-headers and the resulting package has nothing in it | 11:19 |
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| mxpxpod | is there a reason for this? | 11:19 |
| bob2 | mjg59: hm, I have your crack, still no mention of ipw2 in /etc/acpi | 11:21 |
| mjg59 | bob2: Yeah, it automatically works out the list of network modules | 11:21 |
| bob2 | mjg59: oh, shiney | 11:21 |
| bob2 | no reboot needed, right? | 11:22 |
| Keybuk | mjg: so, video-post ... | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | Nope | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Yo | 11:22 |
| Keybuk | it makes my screen switch off | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 11:22 |
| Keybuk | and even with VBERestore, makes X.org very very unhappy | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | It seems to do that sometimes | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | Hm | 11:22 |
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| bob2 | hm, woke up immediately | 11:25 |
| thom | keybuk is singing the "mjg59 sucks" song | 11:25 |
| thom | it's very repettitive | 11:25 |
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| Mithrandir | thom: where are you? | 11:26 |
| bob2 | lamont_r: eh? | 11:26 |
| Kamion | fabbione: never mind, I'll just upload it, it's not like the installer works on ia64 yet anyway ;) | 11:26 |
| lamont_r | bob2: or was that not a troll? | 11:26 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Hang on, shiny new crack coming right up | 11:26 |
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| Kamion | 22:25 < bob2> hm, woke up immediately | 11:26 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: you should be careful pimping for hardware like that. | 11:26 |
| Treenaks | lamont_r: could you boost the power on those APs of yours? :) | 11:27 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: Mark keeps trying to fill my bedroom with computers even more than it already is | 11:27 |
| Treenaks | lamont_r: I keep getting disconnects ;) | 11:27 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: get yourself a rack and tell him they need to be rackmountable and silent? | 11:27 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Grab www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/vbestate and do FOO=`vbestate save`; vm86_video_post; echo $FOO | vbestate restore | 11:28 |
| Treenaks | tie him to the rack! | 11:28 |
| Treenaks | oh wait.. other rack | 11:28 |
| lamont_r | Treenaks: what I need to do is get back in the main room | 11:28 |
| lamont_r | and move things | 11:28 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: unfortunately none of my machines so far are such, so I still lose a big load of space :( | 11:28 |
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| mjg59 | I don't think he had time to test that... | 11:28 |
| Treenaks | you can go there.. it's dark.. but it's open | 11:28 |
| thom | Mithrandir: hacking room | 11:29 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: can you repost? | 11:29 |
| Keybuk | I got attacked by your hibernate script | 11:29 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Grab www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/vbestate and do FOO=`vbestate save`; vm86_video_post; echo $FOO | vbestate restore | 11:29 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Except, don't just yet. Give me a minute. | 11:29 |
| Keybuk | the only affect of which is to unmount /proc and cause gnome to have a seisure | 11:29 |
| Mithrandir | is the usb brokenness in 2.6.9 fixed in hoary? | 11:29 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: ish | 11:29 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Yeah | 11:29 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: I'll test my if my suspend/resume cycle stuff is fixed tomorrow | 11:30 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: rock | 11:30 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: out of X? | 11:30 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Console. Really console. But give me a minute or two more. | 11:30 |
| Treenaks | hm.. I have one dead green pixel (lighting up at like 50% all the time) | 11:31 |
| Treenaks | but it's in the middle of the face of the calendar girl | 11:32 |
| Keybuk | maybe she just has a zit | 11:32 |
| Keybuk | as well as being cross-eyed? | 11:32 |
| thom | and having her nipples cut | 11:32 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: a green one? | 11:32 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: that'd just be scary | 11:33 |
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| Treenaks | Mithrandir: why not just do an alarm($((3600*8))) | 11:34 |
| Kamion | bah, no mdz | 11:34 |
| |trey| | Hey, sorry to bother here... would it be user error that I am getting default GNOME menu's in hoary? Just finished fresh install and upgrade... "saved session" once, but thats never resulted in this before :( | 11:34 |
| Mithrandir | Treenaks: well, that too. | 11:35 |
| Treenaks | |trey|: it's known and will be fixed soon | 11:35 |
| |trey| | Treenaks, alright, thanks :) | 11:35 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: mixing sleep() and alarm() is Bad | 11:35 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: nice mix of C and shell syntax there | 11:37 |
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| Keybuk | Kamion: he's probably a csh freak | 11:38 |
| Keybuk | heh | 11:38 |
| === Keybuk caught daniels doing cshisms the other day | ||
| Treenaks | *shudder* | 11:38 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: zsh, zsh | 11:38 |
| Kamion | bless you | 11:38 |
| Mithrandir | thom: where have you got your BT crack from? | 11:39 |
| thom | Mithrandir: BT? | 11:39 |
| Mithrandir | bluetooth | 11:39 |
| Mithrandir | you had something in your menus, iirc | 11:40 |
| thom | ahr, jdub's bluetooth repo | 11:40 |
| Treenaks | bittorrent over bluetooth! | 11:40 |
| Mithrandir | apt line? | 11:40 |
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| thom | #deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/warty/ ./ | 11:40 |
| Mithrandir | thx | 11:41 |
| Treenaks | what's a good python+dbus example? | 11:41 |
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| thom | Treenaks: hal has some python apps | 11:45 |
| Treenaks | thom: I can fnd only one | 11:46 |
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| Treenaks | yikes.. this is easier than I thought | 11:51 |
| bob2 | lamont_r: was talking about my laptop, foo'! | 11:55 |
| bob2 | mjg59: after unloading ehci_hcd, no more problem | 11:57 |
| mjg59 | Grr. I really don't understand this. | 11:57 |
| mjg59 | bob2: Really? Weird. | 11:58 |
| mjg59 | Ok, possibly we should unload those, then. | 11:58 |
| mjg59 | The USB suspend/resume still seems a touch dodgy | 11:58 |
| mjg59 | But it works here. Oh well. | 11:59 |
| bob2 | yeah, it worked sometimes before | 11:59 |
| bob2 | but just now it was saying this: | 11:59 |
| bob2 | Could not suspend device 0000:00:1d.7: error -5 | 11:59 |
| bob2 | which according to lspci is the ehci controller thing | 11:59 |
| mjg59 | Hm | 11:59 |
| mjg59 | 2.6.9 or 2.6.8? | 11:59 |
| bob2 | 2.6.8.1-3-686 | 12:00 |
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