[12:01] <jon1012> lol yes, but I will try to put my system at 2.9.1 instead lol
[12:01] <seb128> good luck
[12:01] <seb128> you need to change gnomevfs, nautilus, panel, nautilus-cd-burner at this point
[12:01] <jon1012> yup
[12:01] <seb128> and you'll not but able to install new GNOME packages after that
[12:02] <jon1012> lol yes, but can I do the menu myself another way?
[12:02] <seb128> you should better wait for the new panel changes 
[12:02] <jon1012> yup
[12:02] <jon1012> when will this be you think ?
[12:02] <seb128> live with the stock menus like everybody else in hoary ?
[12:02] <seb128> probably before the end of the month
[12:02] <jon1012> ok :)
[12:02] <seb128> dunno when exactly
[12:03] <seb128> BTW time to sleep
[12:03] <seb128> later
[12:03] <jon1012> the thing is that I need the development branch for a lot of libs in my developments
[12:03] <jon1012> see ya :)
[12:03] <jon1012> and thank you :)
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[12:04] <mxpxpod> does anyone here use the netgear MA111 for wireless network?
[12:04] <mxpxpod> I'm having a problem where when I unplug it, /proc disappears
[12:04] <jon1012> hu ?
[12:04] <jon1012> nop I don't use it :(
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[12:08] <chrisa> I need to find a wlan usb adapter that doesn't use wlan ng (ie: no ma111 or dwl-122)
[12:08] <chrisa> So tired of that driver
[12:08] <mxpxpod> chrisa: yeah, same here
[12:09] <mjg59> chrisa: Currently, that's awkward
[12:09] <mjg59> The CVS orinoco driver has support for some USB devices, but I think that's abou tit
[12:09] <mxpxpod> chrisa: I think there's one in dongle form that uses prism54 that I've thought about getting
[12:10] <chrisa> wlan ng wouldn't be so bad if the normal wireless tools worked with it
[12:10] <mxpxpod> hmm, it unmounted my /home dir as well
[12:10] <mxpxpod> but if I mount /proc and /home, everything is fine (I think)
[12:10] <chrisa> What makes you think the driver did this?
[12:11] <mxpxpod> chrisa: it's the only thing that does that when I unplug it
[12:11] <chrisa> and of course you're watching syslog and messages, rrrrrriiiggght?
[12:12] <mjg59> chrisa: We're seeing this with various wireless drivers
[12:13] <mjg59> It's very odd
[12:13] <chrisa> oh? Neat
[12:14] <jon1012> yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh MY HACK OF THE GNOME-PANEL WORKS :D
[12:14] <jon1012> oops excuse me :$
[12:14] <jon1012> lol
[12:15] <mxpxpod> mjg59: hmm, it only happens the first time I insert it
[12:15] <mxpxpod> after I remount everything, it doesn't seem to do it anymoer
[12:16] <mxpxpod> well, except that I can't remount swap, sysfs, tmpfs, or devpts
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[12:26] <mxpxpod> mjg59: any clue as to why it's doing this?
[12:27] <mjg59> None
[12:27] <mjg59> I can't reproduce it here
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[12:28] <mxpxpod> mjg59: that's strange
[12:29] <jon1012> humpf why does the had to change the gnome menu systeme in hoary yesterday ? :(
[12:29] <jon1012> all my apt database is broken and my gnome menu also :/
[12:31] <TD> hi, are there any forum admins here? i don't mean to interrupt but i was browsing them, and i noticed that one of the moderators (!) is consistently posting links to pirate packages of commercial linux software
[12:31] <TD> i was wondering who i should speak to about that
[12:32] <mjg59> TD: Is that ubuntuforums.org?
[12:32] <TD> yeah. not official?
[12:32] <mjg59> Nope
[12:32] <mjg59> Good thing to LART, though
[12:32] <TD> ah ok, i see. sorry, the branding made it look like a part of the main ubuntu forum
[12:32] <TD> s/forum/site/
[12:32] <mjg59> They gateway the mailing lists
[12:33] <jon1012> (what software did this administrator post links for ? :/)
[12:33] <TD> crossover and cedega
[12:33] <mxpxpod> chrisa: ok, so what am I looking for?
[12:33] <jon1012> erf ok :/
[12:33] <TD> russian warez sites
[12:33] <mjg59> Grah.
[12:33] <mjg59> Asking on #ubuntu might be a better bet
[12:33] <TD> k
[12:33] <mjg59> I'd expect some of them to hang out there
[12:33] <mjg59> Sorry about that :(
[12:34] <jon1012> bad, because if people want crossover, they can help and become advocate... :/
[12:34] <jon1012> if they want it without paying i mean :)
[12:34] <TD> yeah. we practically give it away these days
[12:34] <jon1012> yup
[12:34] <jon1012> I'm an advocate
[12:34] <jon1012> (a proud advocate in fact :p)
[12:34] <TD> it's 99.something% LGPL anyway. so it's kind of annoying to see people recommending that newbies warez it.
[12:34] <jon1012> sure...
[12:34] <TD> cool, what app?
[12:35] <jon1012> Photoshop 7 mainly :)
[12:35] <jon1012> I'm in a multimedia school, in graphic communication
[12:35] <jon1012> crossover is really great :)
[12:35] <TD> thanks
[12:36] <jon1012> really bad that people want to go to pirate sites for it :(
[12:36] <TD> it happens. some of them even try and get tech support.
[12:36] <TD> using linux doesn't magically change (some) human nature, unfortunately
[12:36] <jon1012> (they don't understand that they kill wine and crossover doing this)
[12:36] <jon1012> yes :(
[12:36] <lamont_r> sucky connectivity. :-(
[12:37] <TD> i think we'll survive. have done for a fair few years now, and more corporate work is coming in these days. those dudes play it straight
[12:38] <jon1012> td > if you want any help, contact me at jondesign@jondesign.net (my advocate adress is jondesign@altern.org, but it's my old adress ^^)
[12:39] <Kamion> mxpxpod: lamont has been tracking down the unmounting problem and knows roughly where it is now; it's apparently in one of the udev scripts
[12:39] <TD> thanks :)
[12:39] <lamont_r> Kamion: or at least apparently so.
[12:39] <mxpxpod> Kamion: oh really... so udev is being a brat
[12:39] <Kamion> mxpxpod: /etc/dev.d/default/ somewhere
[12:40] <lamont_r> that is, fixing the script to not generate an error from umount (and therefore exit with an error, appears to make the problem go away
[12:41] <lamont_r>  /etc/dev.d/default/unmount.dev or so.
[12:41] <lamont_r> wrap the whole thing in if [ -n "$DEVICE"] ; then ... fi
[12:41] <lamont_r> or whatever the name is...
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[12:44] <mxpxpod> lamont_r: that works for me
[12:44] <mxpxpod> just modified it and unplugged then re-plugged my usb device and it doesn't unmount everything
[12:44] <lamont_r> woot
[12:44] <mxpxpod> and it's $DEVNAME
[12:45] <mxpxpod> lamont_r: have you figured out the problem with udev unmounting /dev before unmounting the drives yet?
[12:45] <lamont_r> now, for extra credit, add an else clause that says 'exit 1'
[12:45] <lamont_r> and see if it once again trashes everything... 
[12:45] <lamont_r> that's fixed in 2.12j
[12:45] <lamont_r> although you want -2, not -1 if you use cryptoloop devices
[12:46] <mxpxpod> 2.12j?
[12:46] <lamont_r> 2.12j-2
[12:46] <mxpxpod> of what?
[12:46] <lamont_r> fixed upstream - mount_2.12j-2_${arch}.deb
[12:47] <lamont_r> er, for hoary that's mount_2.12j-2ubuntu1_${arch}.deb
[12:47] <mxpxpod> lamont_r: ah, gotcha
[12:47] <sid77> bye all
[12:47] <lamont_r> I don't remember if that fix made todays dinstall run in debian or not, but -2ubuntu1 is certainly in hoary
[12:49] <mxpxpod> lamont_r: adding that else doesn't trash everything
[12:50] <lamont_r> very interesting
[12:51] <mxpxpod> lamont_r: wait... where did you want that else?
[12:51] <lamont_r> Kamion: you need things much beyond 1AM (9 minutes from now...)?
[12:51] <lamont_r> actually, you'll still have connectivity, it'll just get more sucky.
[12:53] <lamont_r> mxpxpod: when $DEVNAME==""
[12:53] <lamont_r> that is, as an else clause for the if that you just added...
[12:53] <Kamion> lamont_r: pretty sucks already ... ;)
[12:53] <mxpxpod> lamont_r: ok, yeah, that's what I added...
[12:53] <Kamion> lamont_r: nah, should go to sleep
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[12:58] <lamont_r> Kamion: seems happy again.
[12:58] <lamont_r> anyway, off to ned/
[12:58] <lamont_r> bed even
[12:58] <Kamion> yep, working here ...
[12:59] <mxpxpod> nite lamont_r, thanks for the help
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[01:12] <jon1012> oh another thing
[01:13] <jon1012> I've succesfully modified the ubuntu kernel to work wth my asus laptop
[01:13] <jon1012> (it didn't work at all at first: no acpi, no sound, no usb...)
[01:13] <jon1012> if the ubuntu kernel maintainers are here, maybe I can discuss about it
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[01:33] <chrisa> sladen just doesn't impress me
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[01:33] <jon1012> lol
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[01:47] <sladen> f***^W fabulous wifi here
[01:47] <jon1012> ? lol
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[02:00] <ogra> hehe
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[02:02] <ogra> sladen: which floor ?
[02:02] <ogra> 1st is great :)
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[05:46] <farruinn> is there some sort of tracking system that shows which maintainer is working on what?
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[08:57] <ironwolf> lamont_r: your wife is looking for you, call her when you awake.
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[09:43] <Treenaks> is it intentional that "bazaar" and "bizarre" sound the same?
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[09:51] <Keybuk> you should try it in a NZ accent ... very confusing
[09:51] <daniels> 'i gotta git muh nit!'
[09:56] <fabbione> daniels: x is building.. i will let you know how it goes later
[09:56] <Keybuk> 'igs, on tarst'
[09:57] <Kamion> Treenaks: at least semi-intentional I think
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[10:01] <mdz> elmo: so what kind of coercion do you need in order to make ubuntu-keyring?
[10:02] <Treenaks> btw, who said the "laptop turns on again after closing lid after shutdown" thing will be fixed n 2.6.10?
[10:02] <Treenaks> (because I have a problem that I think is related)
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[10:05] <lamont_r> someone please throw things at thom
[10:05] <thom> Kamion: dude, you coming? :-)
[10:05] <thom> lamont_r: why?
[10:05] <lamont_r> could we please have Options FollowSymlinks on p.u.c?
[10:05] <Kamion> thom: oh yeah
[10:06] <thom> i think we have SymlinksIfOwnerMatch currently, but i could be mistaken
[10:06] <thom> Kamion: can you poke sladen on the way?
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[10:08] <Kamion> thom: too late
[10:08] <Kamion> thom: we don't, just 'Options Indexes' and that disables all the others
[10:08] <Keybuk> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9098
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[10:15] <Kamion> dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.9-1-mckinley not in control info
[10:15] <Kamion> make[2] : *** [real_stamp_image]  Error 255
[10:15] <Kamion> d'oh
[10:16] <fabbione> yup
[10:16] <fabbione> already fixed in my tree
[10:16] <fabbione> bad merge from halley to my local stuff
[10:17] <fabbione> Kamion: look at the positive side... the ccache is populated :-)
[10:18] <fabbione> ARGH
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[10:18] <fabbione> Kamion: you just trashed my initrd tool upload
[10:18] <lamont_r> grumble.
[10:19] <Treenaks> jdub: http://foodfight.org/fotos/2004/12-07%20Ubuntu%20Conference%20-%20evening/?img_0003.jpg
[10:20] <fabbione> Kamion: since you have the initrd tools tree local.. can you apply the second patch from #4444 please?
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[10:20] <fabbione> the mirror is syncing or out-of-sync atm
[10:20] <Kamion> fabbione: hah
[10:20] <Kamion> fabbione: ok, will do, didn't realise you were working on it
[10:20] <Kamion> sorry 'bout that
[10:20] <fabbione> no problem mate :-)
[10:20] <fabbione> i didn't know you were on it either :P
[10:22] <fabbione> Failed to fetch http://mataro.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[10:22] <fabbione> mataros mirror master?
[10:22] <lamont_r> I expect that's a thom question...
[10:23] <Mithrandir> fabbione: just throw something at him
[10:23] <Kamion> I just operate mataro.ubuntu.com by lftp personally :)
[10:23] <fabbione> Kamion: wow :-)
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[10:24] <smurfix_> Gah. "Unpacking gnome-menus: trying to overwrite `/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu', which is also in package kdelibs-data". My fault for still having some kde stuff installed, I know, but still ...
[10:25] <Kamion> fabbione: done
[10:25] <fabbione> Kamion: rocking
[10:28] <daniels> fabbione: cheers
[10:30] <seb128> smurfix, any idea on how to fix that ?
[10:32] <jdub> Treenaks: ha ha
[10:33] <Keybuk> Treenaks: heh, that's not unusual
[10:33] <Keybuk> it's the photos of jdub where he's *not* pulling a silly face that are rare
[10:33] <Treenaks> Keybuk: :)
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[10:48] <jdub> fabbione: http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/
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[10:48] <fabbione> applying patch dsdt-initrd to ./ ... ok.
[10:48] <fabbione> applying patch swsusp-userspace to ./ ... ok.
[10:48] <fabbione> applying patch wakeup_addr to ./ ... ok.
[10:48] <fabbione> applying patch wakeup_gdt to ./ ... ok.
[10:50] <fabbione> jdub: i am on it
[10:50] <azeem> jdub: pong
[11:03] <jdub> fabbione: sweet, thank you :-)
[11:03] <fabbione> jdub: applying patch drivers-usb-pwc to ./ ... ok.
[11:05] <fabbione> Keybuk: sorry but i am way faster than your merge-omatic :P
[11:07] <jdub> haha
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[11:09] <jdub> fabbione is metal!
[11:09] <Mithrandir> *chuckle*
[11:10] <fabbione> ahha
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[11:13] <Keybuk> yeah, and I'm pudding
[11:13] <Kamion> you wish
[11:13] <daniels> keybuk aspires to be pudding
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[11:14] <thom> elmo: do you have l33t bzip2 support for katie, yet? 
[11:14] <elmo> no - it's not katie that's the problem, it's python-apt
[11:14] <fabbione> mjg59: ping
[11:14] <thom> ahr :/
[11:16] <Keybuk> nah, I aspire to be pudded
[11:19] <mjg59> fabbione: Hi
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[11:22] <fabbione> mjg59: hey. all your patches aplly perfectly
[11:22] <mjg59> Woo
[11:22] <fabbione> mjg59: CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND is the one we need for swsup-userspace, right?
[11:22] <mjg59> Yup
[11:22] <fabbione> it's in for i386/amd64
[11:22] <fabbione> :-)))
[11:22] <mjg59> And there's an option for the DSDT in initrd stuff, too
[11:23] <fabbione> initrd-tools is uploaded
[11:23] <fabbione> mjg59: done that too :-)
[11:23] <fabbione> i am alligning the config
[11:23] <fabbione> once that is done i will upload
[11:23] <fabbione> question of a few hours
[11:24] <Kamion> and then we get a debian-installer/ia64 build attempt \o/
[11:25] <fabbione> Kamion: yup.. that too
[11:25] <fabbione> Kamion: i promised that we were going to push lamont to put d-i in dep-wait :P
[11:26] <mjg59> thom: How was the laptop BOF?
[11:26] <Kamion> seems to be that way
[11:26] <thom> mjg59: went ok, it seems
[11:27] <lamont_r> mjg59: almost everyone had one. :-)
[11:27] <mjg59> thom: Any conclusions?
[11:27] <calc> acpi sucks ;)
[11:28] <thom> mjg59: mdz wrote some notes - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LaptopSupportA
[11:28] <thom> gar
[11:29] <thom> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LaptopSupportAndPowerManagement
[11:29] <thom> even
[11:29] <mjg59> I'm unsure about StR being default
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[11:30] <mjg59> ibm-acpi is needed for 2.6.9, but not for 2.6.10
[11:30] <fabbione>   Default resume partition (PM_STD_PARTITION) []  (NEW) 
[11:30] <fabbione> mjg59: ?
[11:30] <mjg59> fabbione: Null
[11:30] <fabbione> ok
[11:30] <thom> mjg59: we took a quick strawpoll, and 90% of the room wanted it
[11:30] <thom> if it's really bad, we can back off again
[11:31] <mjg59> thom: It /is/ going to break on various machines, and people are unlikely to be happy if their machine breaks every time they close it
[11:31] <mjg59> 2.6.10 only enables lapic if the BIOS enabled it. I'm not sure if that's in 2.6.9. It's a safe default, anyway.
[11:32] <mjg59> (as I said before, I'm not keen on shipping dsdts. It's /difficult/ to get right, and we plainly have no legal right to do so)
[11:33] <tuo2> is drinking red wine chilled a bad idea?
[11:33] <fabbione> mjg59: isn't that the patch you gave to me yesterday?
[11:33] <thom> tuo2: yes.
[11:33] <mjg59> fabbione: the lapic one? Nope. That disables it on power-off if the user forced it on.
[11:33] <tuo2> thom: any reasoning?"
[11:34] <calc> most dsdt's don't really have anything unique in them, except for the chipset port locations, etc
[11:34] <calc> at least on the ones i have disassembled in the past
[11:34] <thom> mjg59: right. i think we got a bit handwavy when it came to DSDTs
[11:34] <thom> tuo2: it makes red wine taste fucking disgusting
[11:35] <tuo2> thom: depends on the initial quality of the wine, mate.
[11:35] <mjg59> thom: Every time the user changes the amount of RAM, they need a new DSDT. Every time they upgrade their BIOS, they potentially need a new DSDT.
[11:35] <tuo2> And this wasn't real good....
[11:35] <thom> mjg59: yah
[11:36] <tuo2> might be better off killing the palette
[11:36] <calc> you could take all the data that has to be there and plug it into skeleton dsdt so that the code doesn't infringe copyright i suppose
[11:36] <thom> tuo2: this is well off topic
[11:36] <tuo2> thom: true. Sorry.
[11:36] <thom> mjg59: like i said, handwavy
[11:36] <calc> the dsdt is generated dynamically by the bios?
[11:37] <calc> i didn't notice that part when reading the acpi spec, eyes must have glassed over
[11:37] <mjg59> calc: It tends to be. The spec doesn't require it.
[11:37] <calc> oh ok
[11:37] <Treenaks> usplash with "wait & switch" is very nice, except for https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1842 :)
[11:40] <daniels> Treenaks: that's not a problem, because it was never switched
[11:40] <daniels> so you never had access to the card
[11:40] <daniels> try running your gdm with -novtswitch on your X server command line
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[11:43] <robtaylor|away> mjg59: dont suppose you fancy collecting together a bunch of diffs between fixed and original dsdts? ;)
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[11:44] <mjg59> robtaylor: About as much as I fancy plucking my eyes out, but yeah
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[11:45] <robtaylor> yeah, i suppose the only 2 sane opttions are either a) make dsdt interpreter more robust or b) store a diff for each bios version of each machine (and hope diffs help us avoid the ram issue.. ) :/
[11:46] <robtaylor> a bunch of diffs would help in either case ;)
[11:46] <calc> i think it got somewhat more robust after ~ 2.6.6
[11:46] <mjg59> It did
[11:46] <robtaylor> calc: still doesnt work on my laptop ;)
[11:46] <mjg59> But there's a reasonable argument for making it bug-for-bug compatible with Windows
[11:46] <calc> my laptop was completely broken in numerous ways and i filed a bunch of bug reports about it at osdl and len fixed them for me :)
[11:47] <calc> eg now the acpi ports are reserved by default
[11:47] <calc> instead of getting reused for various things like cardbus
[11:47] <calc> mjg59: yep
[11:47] <mjg59> But upstream won't do that
[11:48] <calc> upstream is slowly doing it ;)
[11:48] <calc> as each new device which is broken has bug reports filed about it
[11:48] <mjg59> calc: No, they won't make it fully bug-compatible with the Windows stack
[11:49] <calc> so they are refusing to fix bugs that are shown in particular hardware now?
[11:49] <robtaylor> mjg59: well nothing to stop us making a 2.6.x-acpi bitkeeper branch....
[11:50] <mjg59> calc: No, that's fine
[11:50] <calc> ok
[11:50] <calc> well being bug for bug compatible isn't really needed as long as all laptops work under linux ;)
[11:50] <mjg59> But they won't alter the interpreter so it behaves brokenly
[11:50] <mjg59> And that's the only way to be compatible with Windows
[11:50] <calc> eventually linux will be bug for bug compatible to be able to attain that goal
=== calc doesn't get it, oh well ;)
[11:51] <elmo> mmph, alt-tab is broken for me
[11:52] <seb128> broken in which way ?
=== calc bbl, gone to bed
[11:53] <robtaylor> calc: if you submit a bug. 1st thing you're told is to find a 'fixed' dsdt//
[11:53] <robtaylor> it seems
[11:53] <seb128> 'night calc 
[11:53] <robtaylor> night calc
[11:53] <elmo> seb128: I can't switch windows, it flashes up briefly but disappears again immediately
[11:54] <seb128> weird
[11:54] <robtaylor> ooh, broken X11 package flashback =)
[11:54] <seb128> the alt-tab seems to send the right event in xv ?
[11:54] <seb128> xev even
[11:55] <calc> robtaylor: hmm they never mentioned that to me, linus even emailed me wrt the io port issue ;)
[11:55] <mjg59> calc: But that was actually an acpi bug
[11:56] <calc> yea, previously they solved the io port issue via quirks for every chipset (gag)
[11:56] <mjg59> Whereas on lots of machines the dsdt isn't anywhere near spec-compliant
[11:56] <calc> but my dsdt also was broken in various interesting ways which they worked around
[11:56] <elmo> seb128: err, not sure xev seems a bit whack too.. i'll upgrade, then login/logut, and if I can reproduce, come and show you
[11:56] <seb128> ok
[11:56] <calc> i don't remember the exact details since it was about 6mo ago
[11:57] <mjg59> calc: There's a limit to the dsdt workarounds you can do that are guaranteed to be safe
[11:57] <calc> their were weird irq issues though
[11:57] <calc> er there
[11:57] <mjg59> The Windows interpreter allows accesses that are invalid, presumably hoping that the dsdt never actually does something bad with them
[11:57] <calc> iirc the irq query returned invalid data or something like that
[11:57] <mjg59> Linux forbids that
[11:57] <calc> ah
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[12:06] <amu> ack
[12:06] <seb128> thom, is the internet connection broken ?
[12:06] <Mithrandir> seb128: no
[12:06] <seb128> I can't ping anything
[12:06] <Mithrandir> seb128: but check your name server settings
[12:06] <elmo> I can't seem to make new connections
[12:06] <seb128> but my IRC is still working ...
[12:07] <Mithrandir> worksforme
[12:07] <lamont_r> what about by IP?
[12:07] <seb128> works again
[12:07] <elmo> yeah
[12:09] <elmo> and gone again.  meh
[12:11] <seb128> thom, fix the connection dude !!
[12:11] <thom> i would love to if i could :P
[12:11] <seb128> you're useless :p
[12:12] <seb128> and that works again :)
[12:12] <thom> screw YOU HIPPEH
[12:12] <thom> so it does. cool
[12:13] <Keybuk> seb128: fix gnome-panel, dude!
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[12:19] <seb128> daniels, I need an xorg patch out of the 855resolution stuff ?
[12:21] <daniels> seb128: you shouldn't, no
[12:21] <daniels> seb128: it's just a tiny binary that you run and it craps all over your video BIOS and hopefully makes it work
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[12:39] <rburton> jdub: poke poke
[12:40] <seb128> hey rburton 
[12:40] <rburton> hi seb128 
[12:41] <seb128> are you going to complain about me breaking the panel ? :p
[12:42] <rburton> i'm running warty on my ubuntu box, and my sid box has the 2.9 panel on
[12:42] <seb128> ok ;)
[12:42] <Treenaks> ah... don't you just _love_ Mac newlines...
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[12:47] <fabbione> dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.9-1-itanium' in `../linux-image-2.6.9-1-itanium_2.6.9-3_ia64.deb'.
[12:47] <fabbione> MUCH BETTER
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[12:50] <pitti> Hi sivang!
[12:50] <Treenaks> hey sivang
[12:55] <mjg59> So now we just need some more acpi love in acpi-support
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[12:56] <mjg59> And a touch more acpi love in initrd-tools
[12:56] <Treenaks> we need some acpi love for my laptop.. so it doesn't suspend right after coming back from suspend (nice feature..)
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[12:58] <fabbione> Kamion : dpkg-deb: building package `nic-modules-2.6.9-1-itanium-smp-di' in `../nic-modules-2.6.9-1-itanium-smp-di_2.6.9-3_ia64.udeb'.
[01:00] <mjg59> Treenaks: Mm. That one is a bit odd.
[01:01] <Treenaks> mjg59: could be a BIOS bug, the thing's 5 years old
[01:01] <mjg59> Treenaks: It would be good if you could add stuff to /etc/acpi/sleep.sh and try to find out how it's being called
[01:01] <Kamion> fabbione: nyahaha
[01:01] <Treenaks> mjg59: I'm running with the "suspend howto" scripts from the wiki
[01:02] <rburton> mjg59: it appears that when my x22 is using acpi, it won't auto-suspend when the battery is about to die (it did with apm). can i work around this with an acpi script?
[01:02] <mjg59> rburton: Yes
[01:02] <koke> is there any wiki page to look for sharing hotel rooms?
[01:03] <koke> I just want to sleep there at 11th
[01:03] <mjg59> Treenaks: Ah. Can you try the ones from my acpi-support package?
[01:03] <Mithrandir> koke: it's at the bottom of the attendees page, I think
[01:03] <Treenaks> mjg59: url?
[01:03] <mjg59> Treenaks: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/
[01:04] <mjg59> rburton: Well, ish. You need something to monitor battery state and trigger suspend. I think kinnison has something to do that.
[01:04] <koke> Mithrandir: that's for hostels, I'd like a double room
[01:04] <koke> but it's too big for me :)
[01:04] <koke> and too expensive
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[01:06] <fabbione> mjg59: everything compiled without any problem.
[01:06] <mjg59> fabbione: Yay
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[01:08] <Treenaks> mjg59: does your script do suspend to ram or disk?
[01:08] <mjg59> Treenaks: Both
[01:09] <Treenaks> mjg59: on lid close?
[01:10] <mjg59> Treenaks: Oh, right. RAM, though that's configurable.
[01:10] <sladen> thom: http://seehuhn.de/comp/bootlog.html
[01:10] <Treenaks> mjg59: it looks like lid.sh only does blanking
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[01:12] <mjg59> Treenaks: Oh, right. Just change /etc/acpi/events/lid to run sleep.sh
[01:12] <mjg59> fabbione: So that stuff'll be uploaded soon?
[01:12] <mjg59> thom: laptop_mode used to have a function to dump any pid that did a write to disk
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[01:31] <Keybuk> I can't find *anything* on these new menus
[01:31] <Keybuk> arghhhhhhh
[01:32] <Keybuk> someone feed seb amphetamines and make him code faster :p
[01:34] <fabbione> Keybuk: i am sure he will accept patches..
[01:34] <fabbione> ;)
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[01:36] <fabbione> drivers/input/cpad/cpadconfig.h:40:3: warning: #warning : Framebuffer disabled. Compile kernel with CONFIG_FB and CONFIG_FB_VESA to enable it.
[01:36] <fabbione> daniels: ^^^^
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[01:38] <sivang> hey seb128
[01:38] <sivang> seb128 : you in the big room? :)
[01:38] <seb128> no
[01:38] <seb128> in the BOF room
[01:38] <sivang> seb128 : is there still  USPlash BOF?
[01:40] <bob2> is cpad the crazy lcd-touchpad thing?
[01:42] <fabbione> yeah
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[01:46] <bob2> ah
[01:47] <mjg59> fabbione: Is -3 in the archive yet?
[01:48] <fabbione> mjg59: no. i am still waiting the 2 turtles to finish the test build
[01:49] <fabbione> it shouldn't take too long
[01:50] <mjg59> Ah, ok
[01:52] <bob2> 4
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[01:56] <daniels> fabbione: worship the crack
[01:56] <fabbione> ah talking of crack
[01:57] <fabbione> let me check xorg on sparc
[01:57] <fabbione> it's building
[01:57] <fabbione> but i am sure it will take a while
[01:58] <fabbione> running make -j 8 on the kernel + buildd + xorg
[01:58] <fabbione> on one single cpu
[01:58] <fabbione> is NOT sane
[01:58] <fabbione> Mem:    512648k total,   488840k used,    23808k free,    25376k buffers
[01:58] <fabbione> Swap:  1027008k total,        0k used,  1027008k free,   185352k cached
[01:58] <fabbione> and i can't manage to make it swap
[01:58] <fabbione> it's amazing 
[01:59] <daniels> ls
[01:59] <daniels> erk, ww
[02:00] <fabbione> sparc > *
[02:00] <fabbione> CPU WAR
[02:01] <elmo> WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR??
[02:01] <elmo> ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!
[02:01] <fabbione> elmo: GO BACK TO YOUR PPC
[02:02] <fabbione> seriously... i think it's a kernel bug
[02:02] <fabbione> i need to check on 2.6.9
[02:02] <fabbione> as soon as *cough*someone*cough* will free my testing harddisk
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[02:04] <fabbione> the sparc kernel needs some extra config love
[02:04] <fabbione> *sigh*
[02:05] <pitti> fabbione: I know a good program which makes much of free space
[02:05] <pitti> fabbione: :-)
[02:06] <fabbione> pitti: so do i :-)
[02:06] <pitti> fabbione: this reminds me about the thing we used to say to students who sat in front of a Linux machine for the first time
[02:06] <pitti> fabbione: "rm -rf *" -> read mail, really fast, all mails
[02:07] <fabbione> ahha
[02:08] <sivang> pitti : heheh
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[02:08] <sivang> fabbione : that's what I do , it works like a charm and I am able to read all my mails in time
[02:08] <sivang> :)
[02:09] <lamont_r> pitti: I typed that on a machine a few weeks back (as root, in /) just for fun.
[02:09] <sivang> lamont_r : did you have the /boot partition under that also?
[02:09] <pitti> lamont: ??? doesn't sound like much fun
[02:09] <lamont_r> sivang: one partition.
[02:09] <sivang> it is if you're into reinstalling your system :)
[02:09] <fabbione> lamont_r: i did that when i left my first telco company on the 2 servers i was administering
[02:09] <fabbione> they managed to run for a few hours without disks :-)
[02:10] <lamont_r> was about to flatline the machine, so I was playing with it...
[02:10] <lamont_r> was interesting to see what was left behind (busy text files)
[02:10] <lamont_r> er, a.outs
[02:11] <sivang> I once had my gf's Win32 partition mounted under /mnt , then I forgot to umount and rm -r -v -f /mnt :)
[02:11] <sivang> luckily at least her uni docs were backed up in her mail account...
[02:11] <lamont_r> sivang: and you were still together after that?
[02:12] <seb128> sivang, no
[02:12] <sivang> lamont_r : hehe, I had to buy her a dinner, take her on vacation, and take some "why do you have to PLAY with stuff all the time, ha?" and then it passed :)
[02:13] <sivang> kidding
[02:13] <sivang> :)
[02:13] <sivang> she just wanted me to stop playing "liunux games" on her machine, I tried to explain her that what happened is a wonderful example for it's streangth :)
[02:14] <sivang> anyway, people of the bof room, I'm coming up.
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[02:45] <mjg59> Damnit. mkinitrd doesn't have stubs to call stuff after it's generated the image
[02:47] <Kamion> lamont_r: sbuild fixed, I think ...
[02:47] <elmo> daniels: done
[02:47] <Keybuk> ooh, new ITALIAN KERNELS
[02:48] <Kamion> FICHISSIMO
[02:48] <fabbione> AHHA
[02:49] <fabbione> mjg59: eh?
[02:49] <daniels> elmo: thanks dude
[02:50] <mjg59> fabbione: The last thing mkinitrd does is send the image to stdout (or a file). But we need to be able to append the DSDT to that.
[02:51] <fabbione> the strange feeling is that i don't feel addicted to the kernel as much as i felt for X
[02:51] <jdub_> oh, -3 is uploaded?
[02:51] <Treenaks> fabbione: not yet.. not yet... <evil laugh>
[02:51] <mjg59> jdub_: Can you do something for me?
[02:52] <fabbione> mjg59: good point
[02:52] <fabbione> jdub_: yes.. with the pwc driver too
[02:52] <fabbione> Treenaks. DIE!
[02:52] <fabbione> :P
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[02:53] <fabbione> mjg59: in any case it will take a few hours to get the kernel up, if you prepare a patch we can upload the new initrd-tools
[02:53] <fabbione> and i will bump again the version in -4
[02:53] <Keybuk>  Yeah, you're gonna have to face it, you're addicted to X
[02:53] <mjg59> fabbione: This bit's less important
[02:53] <jdub_> mjg59: yo
[02:53] <mjg59> It's only for people like jdub
[02:53] <fabbione> Keybuk: i am going slowly out of that tunnel
[02:53] <bob2> *totally* addicted to bass^wX
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[02:54] <fabbione> mjg59: jdub is special.. we know that.. (also ugly.. but.. hey..)
[02:54] <mjg59> jdub: Edit /usr/sbin/mkinitrd and add to the end:
[02:54] <mjg59> echo -n INITRDDSDT123DSDT123
[02:54] <mjg59> cat /boot/DSDT.aml
[02:54] <mjg59> echo -n INITRDDSDT321DSDT321
[02:54] <mjg59> Except use proper quotes, not my funky ones
[02:54] <jdub> heh
[02:54] <Keybuk> irssi-plugins-of-doom
=== fabbione starts reviewing thom's patch
[02:55] <thom> mdz wants better crack
[02:55] <mjg59> jdub: But make sure you have latest initrd-tools and 2.6.9-3
[02:55] <Keybuk> fabbione: ah, that's what you're laughing so hard about
[02:55] <Treenaks> mjg59: we should patch the shell to accept those quotes!
[02:55] <daniels> crack me harder
[02:55] <fabbione> thom: ?
[02:55] <jdub> mjg59: at the very end?
=== thom throws his orange of destiny at Keybuk 
[02:55] <Mithrandir> mjg59: why use quotes at all?
[02:55] <mjg59> jdub: Yeah
[02:55] <jdub> ok
[02:55] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Because I'm cutting and pasting off a website
[02:55] <jdub> 2.6.9-3 doesn't seem to be in the archive yet
[02:56] <mjg59> jdub: Haha
[02:56] <mjg59> Wait for it to hit, then
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[02:56] <fabbione> jdub: it will take 2/3 hours to be in the archive
[02:56] <mjg59> Oh, and put your DSDT in /boot/DSDT.aml
[02:56] <fabbione> jdub: probably less if ccache will hit harder
[02:56] <mjg59> Hmm. Where should we ask users to put fixed DSDTs?
[02:56] <fabbione> thom: what kind of crack does mdz wants?
[02:56] <fabbione> want even
[02:56] <mjg59> /boot doesn't seem great
[02:57] <thom> fabbione: block optimisation and reading
[02:57] <thom> ie, get the kernel to tell us what pages/blocks its reading from during boot, and then reuse that
[02:57] <fabbione> thom: ok.. you need andrew morton for stuff like that
[02:58] <Mithrandir> I've been thinking about doing a crack-optimization for ext3.. like what MOSX is doing.
[02:58] <jdub> mjg59: /etc/mkinitrd...?
[02:58] <fabbione> thom: i was more concerned to make that patch a bootoption to switch it on/off
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[02:59] <mjg59> jdub: Eww
=== fabbione waves his crack to thom
[02:59] <thom> fabbione: yeah, i wouldn't bother right now
[02:59] <fabbione> thom: ok..
[02:59] <fabbione> up to you 2 guys
[02:59] <daniels> Keybuk: bring your laptop to the bof room and we won't hit you with an orange of destiny
[02:59] <thom> sorry, shouldve said
[03:00] <thom> Keybuk: alternatively, tell us where you are
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[03:00] <Treenaks> thom: there are 4 rooms.. can't you search? :P
[03:00] <Keybuk> I might be Lamonting
[03:00] <daniels> Keybuk: your hp is so incredibly superior we need to steal it
[03:00] <thom> Treenaks: LAZINESS IS A VIRTUE
[03:00] <daniels> and its radeon mobility
[03:00] <Treenaks> thom: only for Perl people
[03:00] <thom> Keybuk: kamion was looking for lamont
[03:00] <Kamion> yeah, he knows
[03:01] <mjg59> daniels: You need to steal its flawless ACPI support?
[03:01] <daniels> mjg59: vbe is not quick
[03:01] <mjg59> daniels: No
[03:01] <daniels> we want to see how quick boot is with my make-gdm-quicker crack
[03:01] <mjg59> It's not
[03:01] <daniels> and an actual video chipset
[03:01] <mjg59> Haha
[03:01] <daniels> i855 is like the american beer of chipsets
[03:01] <mjg59> If users are switching back and forth from X, they deserve to lose
[03:01] <thom> we wish to bestow bootchart love upon you
[03:01] <daniels> mjg59: bootup, dude
[03:01] <mjg59> Oh man
[03:02] <Keybuk> but boot isn't slow?
[03:02] <daniels> we can make it faster :)
[03:02] <mjg59> With VBERestore on, switching to console takes well under a second
[03:02] <Kamion> PRACTICALLY INSTANTANEOUS
[03:02] <mjg59> Haha
[03:02] <Keybuk> you're going to kick ALSA in the head and make it take less than 15s to modprobe the module?
[03:03] <daniels> Keybuk: it sleeps for some reason
[03:03] <mjg59> They're going to add & to the end of every modprobe
[03:03] <thom> Keybuk: coincidentally, i'm just about to find jordi
=== fabbione ponders changing nick
[03:03] <thom> mjg59: *giggle*
[03:03] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: that'll be solved by hotplug, won't it?
=== mjg59 has no idea what happens if you try that
[03:03] <thom> udevd for great justice
[03:04] <Mithrandir> uhm, yeah, udevd.
[03:04] <Keybuk> yo udevd, it's your birthday!
[03:04] <mjg59> Keybuk: Stop or I will kill you
[03:09] <seb128> elmo, zenity sync please
[03:09] <elmo> seb128: done
[03:10] <Mithrandir> am I the only one in the world who doesn't have an INBOX in my mail and think that any mail client that forces you to have one si insane?
[03:10] <daniels> Mithrandir: no
[03:10] <Keybuk> mail clients force you to have one?
[03:10] <seb128> elmo, thanks
[03:10] <Kamion> lrwxrwxrwx    1 cjwatson cjwatson       18 Jun  8  2004 INBOX -> /var/mail/cjwatson
[03:10] <Kamion> lrwxrwxrwx    1 cjwatson cjwatson       18 Jun  8  2004 inbox -> /var/mail/cjwatson
[03:11] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: what kind of evil and wrong client/server combination are you using?
[03:12] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: I won't think how m-t is going to freak out if I remove INBOX.  And besides, it might very well start up in a folder, but make that be configurable, preferably with %Y and similar magic
[03:12] <Keybuk> m-t?
[03:12] <Keybuk> oh, THUNDERBIRD
[03:12] <Keybuk> I still can't get over how they chose that as their mail client name, after fucking around trying to find someone that wasn't already used for Firefox
[03:13] <Treenaks> Keybuk: you mean Moongorilla/
[03:13] <Kamion> THUNDERPANTS
[03:13] <sivang> hehe
[03:13] <Mithrandir> it's one of the less insane clients.
[03:13] <daniels> Kamion: you know that was an actual movie, yeah?
[03:13] <Kamion> I just googled for it
[03:13] <daniels> Keybuk: 'firethingy'
[03:13] <Kamion> http://www.thunderwear.co.nz/go/home/index.cfm
[03:14] <daniels> Kamion: it was a movie about some kid who couldn't stop farting
[03:14] <daniels> seriously
[03:14] <fabbione> anybody has a freshmeat account?
[03:14] <Treenaks> fabbione: that depends, why? :)
[03:14] <fabbione> Treenaks: downloading a wm theme. 
[03:15] <Treenaks> fabbione: you can't download without an account?
[03:15] <Treenaks> that's crack
[03:15] <daniels> <keybuk>freshmeat in crack shocker</keybuk>
[03:15] <fabbione> Treenaks: nope.. it tells you that it is a login only area
[03:15] <fabbione> probably because it's a horror theme or something
[03:15] <Treenaks> scary
[03:15] <fabbione> violence and crap like that
[03:15] <Mithrandir> jdub: you're wanted in s3kr1t channel.
[03:16] <fabbione> i am just too lazy to: a) register, b) go in my room to pick up the dvd and do one myself
[03:17] <fabbione> i guess i will opt for the second one later today
[03:18] <lupus_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/polypaudio-alsa_0.7-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[03:18] <lupus_>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/polypaudio-0.7/libalsa-util.la', which is also in package polypaudio
[03:18] <lupus_> Preparing to replace polypaudio-x11 0.6-1ubuntu1 (using .../polypaudio-x11_0.7-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[03:19] <fabbione> ahhh got it
[03:19] <Kamion> anyone want to provide text for the comment above hoary-updates in the default /etc/apt/sources.list? (#3122)
[03:21] <seb128> jdub, you broke polypaudio dude :p
[03:22] <mjg59> Man, that jdub breaks everything
[03:22] <lupus_> wasn't polyaudio at version 0.10?
[03:25] <fabbione> Kamion: hmmm difficult problem...
[03:25] <fabbione> Kamion: i am more for "let's add them"
[03:26] <Kamion> fabbione: argue with mdz
[03:26] <Kamion> :)
=== Kamion goes for:
[03:26] <Kamion> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[03:26] <Kamion> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[03:27] <Kamion> fabbione: one problem is that hoary-updates doesn't actually exist right now, so just adding it is a touch problematic
[03:27] <jdub> ahr
[03:27] <jdub> badness
[03:27] <fabbione> Kamion: don't we have our ftpmaster here around anyway? ;)
[03:28] <rburton> mvo: ping?
[03:28] <mvo> rburton: pong
[03:28] <Kamion> sure, he's busy just now though
[03:28] <Kamion> we can always change it later, plenty of time for base-config changes
[03:28] <rburton> mvo: got an arch repos for gnome-app-install going online now if you want to hack
[03:28] <fabbione> i would still prefer to have them commented out
[03:28] <mvo> cool, can you send me the adress and stuff?
[03:29] <Mithrandir> is there a howto on how to maintain debian packages in arch somewhere?
[03:29] <rburton> mvo: whats your email?
[03:29] <mvo> mvo@debian.org
[03:29] <lifeless> Mithrandir: manoj has one.
[03:30] <Mithrandir> lifeless: on p.d.o?
[03:30] <mvo> rburton: thanks a lot!
[03:33] <lifeless> Mithrandir: dunno
[03:33] <seb128> thom, say to jordi that he's supposed to upload a new howl instead of hanging around
[03:34] <daniels> seb128: no, he has to fix alsa first
[03:35] <seb128> ah ah
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[03:59] <sivang> seb128 : has anything happened to the "Programming" menu entry on the applications menu? I can'f find it anymore, nor I don't get it when installing the devhelp-book stuff, or the glade authoring environment.
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[04:06] <seb128> sivang, same here
[04:07] <sivang> seb128 : strange, at home I have also a hoary and I have this menu item, anything intentionally changed or a sid sync on the menus?
[04:07] <trulux> hi
[04:07] <trulux> lamont, hey
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[04:09] <seb128> daniels, grrrr, you have still not fixed the fd specifications !!
[04:10] <seb128> hopefully google cache is nice :)
[04:10] <trulux> hi mdz
[04:10] <fabbione> parsechangelog/debian: warning: unknown urgency value crack - comparing very low, at changelog line 1
[04:10] <fabbione> hmm
[04:11] <fabbione> elmo: can we fix that?
[04:11] <daniels> seb128: WEFRPOI#@$WQDFEWaesfiu
[04:11] <daniels> seb128: which spec do you desire a copy of?
[04:11] <seb128> menu-spec would be nice ;)
[04:11] <daniels> seb128: (most of the generated HTML specs were broken in the old setup anyway)
[04:12] <elmo> fabbione: huh?
[04:12] <daniels> http://gabe.freedesktop.org/~daniels/menu-spec/
[04:15] <seb128> daniels, thanks
[04:15] <fabbione>  parsechangelog/debian: warning: unknown urgency value "crack"
[04:15] <fabbione> ;)
[04:15] <daniels> no worries
[04:16] <daniels> hmm, I suppose I have to ia64ify l-r-m now
[04:17] <daniels> elmo: could I please get concordia's chroot jiggy and higgy with the latest headers too?
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[04:24] <thom> ok, S99sysklogd ; lets see what happens
[04:24] <elmo> daniels: done
[04:24] <daniels> elmo: thanks
[04:24] <daniels> MORE CRACK FOR THOM
[04:25] <daniels> he is clearly deficient in that regard
[04:26] <fabbione> i found an interesting way to break the kernel build system
[04:26] <fabbione> fabbione@gordian:/usr/src/wartydevel/kernel/linux-source-2.6.10-2.6.9+10rc3$ fakeroot make -f debian/rules clean
[04:26] <fabbione> debian/rules:79: *** first argument to `word' function must be greater than 0.  Stop.
[04:27] <daniels> fabbione: awesome
[04:28] <fabbione> i think it's the +rc3
[04:30] <sivang> anybody know if there is or isn't a pkg maintainace workshop?
[04:30] <sivang> it's 16:29, local time ;)
=== sivang really expected this workshop
[04:34] <thom> dude, it may be crack, but it shaved 12 seconds off the boot
[04:35] <seb128> thom, what did you do ?
[04:35] <thom> seb128: started sysklogd at S99 in rc2
[04:35] <pitti> seb128: S99sysklogd :-)
[04:35] <fabbione> thom: i am seriously against it
[04:35] <seb128> oh, ok :)
[04:35] <pitti> thom: but wouldn't that somewhat nullify the point of syslog?
[04:35] <smurfix_> thom: Owch.
[04:35] <thom> well, yes
[04:36] <thom> i was just interested, i'm not planning on suggesting that we *do* it
[04:36] <pitti> thom: don't start gdm, it will further improve boot speed
[04:36] <thom> pitti: yeah, X sucks so hard
[04:36] <fabbione> thom: thanks :-)
[04:36] <pitti> thom: however, interesting that it gains _that_ much
[04:36] <smurfix_> thom: So your next job is to figure out _why_ it slows down boot that much. ;-)
[04:36] <thom> pitti: indeed
[04:37] <smurfix_> My first guess would be excessive syncing
[04:37] <thom> especially since most all the logs i have are async
[04:37] <smurfix_> thom: there is that
[04:37] <mdz> trulux: hi
[04:38] <thom> i do wonder how much parallel init would win us
[04:39] <trulux> mdz, when doko would get available? i need to talk with him about the toolchain patches
[04:39] <mdz> trulux: he doesn't look terribly busy
=== daniels looks at his solid disk light.
[04:40] <thom> mdz: you have eyes in the back of your head now?
[04:40] <lifeless> you looking on fdo?
[04:40] <daniels> lifeless: nope, fd.o is holding up fine
[04:40] <lifeless> :)
[04:41] <daniels> just trashing an X bulid tree so I can get another one
[04:41] <lifeless> bulid eh?
[04:43] <daniels> sure is
[04:43] <daniels> so I can timestamp all the logs
[04:43] <daniels> PROFILE X
[04:43] <bob2> mjg59: daniels when I close the lid and open it again (which afaict only turns the backlight off) the top..20th of the csreen or so goes multicoloured, with everything else shifted down.  switching to a vt and back again fixes it.
[04:44] <daniels> bob2: yeah, known issue
[04:44] <daniels> bob2: vberestore should fix that
[04:45] <bob2> ah
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[04:52] <thom> and for my next trick, i shall replace depmod with a small shell script
[04:52] <seb128> sivang, no, in fact it works fine here, the Programming category popup as soon as I install something using it
[04:53] <daniels> (thom isn't joking.)
[04:54] <mjg59> bob2: Yeah. That's why lid.sh has chvt 12; chvt fgconsole;
[04:55] <mjg59> jdub: Around?
[04:55] <Mithrandir> anybody use tla-buildpackage and friends?
[04:56] <thom> Mithrandir: tla-buildpackage or arch-buildpackage? tla-bp is utter crap from what i can tell (and lifelless agreed)
[04:57] <Mithrandir> what is it with those arch people forking and reinventing wheels?
[04:57] <Mithrandir> I'll use arch-bp, then
[04:57] <thom> tla-bp is goerzen shit, fwicr
[04:58] <Mithrandir> it's hard to tell the crackheads apart in tla-world.
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[04:59] <Mithrandir> and arch-bp is asuffield crack
[04:59] <robtaylor> wheee!!!
[04:59] <thom> yeah, but is actually not shit
[04:59] <Mithrandir> it's just crack?
[05:00] <mjg59> Hoi
[05:00] <mjg59> People with laptops
[05:00] <mjg59> Can you test something for me?
[05:00] <thom> yo
[05:00] <mjg59> (Warning: may result in loss of unsaved work)
[05:00] <Mithrandir> depends
[05:00] <mjg59> thom: Haha
[05:00] <mjg59> I've tested on X40 already
[05:00] <robtaylor> mjg59: people with laptops near you, or people with laptops in general?
[05:01] <thom> oh well
[05:01] <Mithrandir> somebody has made Postgres 8.0rc1 live cds.
[05:01] <thom> i shall go back to doing stupid things in the name of booting fast
[05:01] <mjg59> In general
[05:01] <mjg59> I need people to run http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/vm86_video_post from a text console and tell me what happens
[05:02] <mjg59> (Warning: may result in loss of video)
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[05:02] <Mithrandir> thom: does it have any docs?
[05:02] <Keybuk> what kind of cards you after?
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[05:02] <mjg59> Keybuk: Any/all
[05:03] <thom> Mithrandir: yeah, somewhere
[05:03] <robtaylor> mjg59: will try it out as soon as i get home..
[05:03] <Mithrandir> thom: how useful.  I'll go look somewhere, then.
[05:03] <bob2> mjg59: worth trying on my apparently buggier x40?
[05:03] <mjg59> Go for it
[05:03] <thom> Mithrandir: in /usr/share/doc; iirc
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[05:03] <Mithrandir> heh, ok
[05:03] <Mithrandir> thx
[05:03] <bob2> mjg59: scott wants to know if he can unfuck his video now
[05:03] <bob2> since he missed the disclaimer
[05:04] <bob2> and is now whinging
[05:04] <mjg59> How fucked is it?
[05:04] <bob2> L lovely strip pattern
[05:04] <mjg59> Hrm.
[05:04] <bob2> I believe the goodies had trousers like it in the 70's
[05:04] <mjg59> Tell him to switch to X again.
[05:04] <bob2> no dice
[05:04] <mjg59> Away from X and back again?
[05:05] <Mithrandir> seems like he rebooted
[05:05] <seb128> ah ah
[05:05] <bob2> he hasn't he rebooted
[05:05] <bob2> seems his kernel went down
[05:05] <mjg59> Oh dear.
[05:05] <bob2> mjg59: keys did nothing at all
[05:05] <mjg59> That's slightly depressing.
=== robtaylor hopes Keybuk doesn't go and kill mjg59 now..
[05:06] <bob2> daniels: thom oi
[05:06] <bob2> scott wants you to break his machine now
[05:07] <mjg59> Oh, hang on
[05:07] <thom> where is he?
[05:07] <mjg59> I see why that might have happened
[05:07] <bob2> quiet room
[05:07] <bob2> but it's rather unquiet
[05:07] <daniels> oh, cool
[05:07] <thom> bob2: please ask him to come to the bof room so we can talk?
[05:07] <daniels> the bof room is way cooler
[05:07] <mjg59> Someone tell Scott I fucked up, and can I give him another one to try?
[05:08] <bob2> he's slightly bitter but willing
[05:08] <daniels> mjg59: what'd you put in ax?
[05:08] <bob2> like english coffee
[05:08] <mjg59> daniels: 0x100, not 105
[05:08] <daniels> mjg59: oops
[05:08] <mjg59> Oh, argh. Now I need to work out whether it's supposed to be 105 or 150
[05:09] <mjg59> Right. 150.
[05:09] <mjg59> Can someone get him to try http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/scott_vm86_video_post
[05:10] <mjg59> (and tell him that he's lovely and I'm sorry I screwed his screen)
[05:11] <seb128> <Keybuk> thom's playing fucky-pants with it at the moment
[05:12] <mjg59> Haha
[05:14] <jdub> mjg59: back
[05:14] <mjg59> jdub: Can you stick a lspci somewhere and then test something for me?
[05:15] <mjg59> (note: may result in strange patterns on LCD)
[05:15] <jdub> heh
[05:15] <jdub> okay
[05:16] <mjg59> Something entertaining has suddenly come to mind. Oh well.
[05:17] <rburton> jdub: what's this i hear about gnome-app-install and instant apply
[05:17] <rburton> crack i say!
[05:17] <jdub> rburton: one sec
[05:17] <jdub> mjg59: mailed
[05:17] <jdub> rburton: what do you think about swapping the checkboxes with install/remove buttons?
[05:18] <jdub> rburton: this was suggested at the bof - i'm not convinced.
[05:18] <rburton> jdub: my argument against instant apply is what if the user installs OO.o?  
[05:18] <rburton> they'll have to wait ageeees until they can also select another application, if they want to install two
[05:18] <jdub> it was not so much instant apply as "press the install button per package"
[05:18] <jdub> which results in an immediate install
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[05:19] <Keybuk> mjg59: ok fuckhead, what's your clever second binary URL? :p
[05:19] <robtaylor> jdub: install/remove buttons sound saner
[05:19] <Mithrandir>                http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/scott_vm86_video_post
[05:19] <jdub> i think it's going to require some convincing of ross and i
[05:19] <jdub> or beer
[05:20] <daniels> same thing
[05:20] <mjg59> Arse
[05:20] <rburton> jdub: sounds like instant apply to me. mvo thinks its crack too
[05:20] <robtaylor> jdub: beer for you on thursday night then...
[05:20] <mjg59> jdub: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/jdub_vm86_video_post ?
[05:20] <Mithrandir> mjg59: new form of wallpaper
[05:20] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Mm?
[05:20] <thom> mjg59: that new one is still pretty wallpaper
[05:20] <Mithrandir> mjg59: for Keybuk, that is.
[05:20] <thom> (says scott)
[05:21] <Mithrandir> thom: not very pretty.. more psychedelic
[05:21] <rburton> waaa
[05:21] <Mithrandir> like, vertical bright colored stripes.
[05:21] <mjg59> Maybe it's supposed to be bus,device and not bus,device,function
=== mjg59 wonders
[05:21] <rburton> daniels: why can't i click on the links on fd.o to get to the .desktop specs! :)
[05:21] <daniels> rburton: BECAUSE YOU WILL DIE SHORTLY
[05:21] <daniels> that's why :P
[05:21] <rburton> oh.
[05:22] <mjg59> Interestingly, machines that break with video_post are almost exclusively machines which don't have video at 01:00.0
=== mjg59 tries to find one of those around here
=== fabbione points Kamion to http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-source-2.6.9/2.6.9-3/
[05:24] <fabbione> PUMP UP THE VOLUME BABY
[05:24] <fabbione> MAKE IA64 SING MAN!
[05:25] <mdz> elmo: can I get a copy of that bzip2 diveintopython deb as a test case?
[05:25] <daniels> rburton: http://gabe.freedesktop.org/~daniels/desktop-entry-spec/
[05:25] <daniels> mjg59: hmmm
[05:26] <daniels> mjg59: 0000:00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[05:26] <daniels> (no, I'm not going to tank my X session right now)
[05:26] <jdub> mjg59: run this as root?
[05:26] <rburton> daniels: you rock
[05:26] <seb128> no, he sucks
[05:26] <jdub> rburton: do you like gnome-menus?
[05:26] <fabbione> daniels IS teh suck
[05:26] <jdub> rburton: reckon we could do g-a-i stuff via gnome-menus?
[05:27] <seb128> I'm stucked with a 1024x768 resolution
[05:27] <elmo> mdz: it's in my home dir on chinstrap
[05:27] <daniels> fabbione: and how!
[05:27] <daniels> fabbione: what've I done now?
[05:27] <fabbione> daniels: oh yeah.. more than a pornstar
[05:27] <daniels> whoo
[05:27] <fabbione> daniels: nothing ... yet...
[05:27] <fabbione> :P
[05:27] <mdz> elmo: thanks
[05:27] <daniels> haha
[05:28] <daniels> i'm PROFILING X, MAN
[05:28] <mdz> elmo: I've got the changes to apt more or less done, needs testing
[05:28] <daniels> (bad shot.)
[05:28] <fabbione> daniels: should i try again?
[05:28] <rburton> jdub: hell yeah
[05:28] <daniels> only if you stay where you are now
[05:28] <mjg59> jdub: Yeah
[05:28] <rburton> jdub: actually i've got bits of 2.9 installed on my sid box, i'll give it a go later
[05:28] <daniels> nice work
[05:28] <fabbione> ahaha
[05:29] <rburton> mallum says the default desktop wallpaper looks shit on 3072x768
[05:29] <daniels> rburton: ... xinerama?
[05:29] <mjg59> daniels: That's a very good point
[05:29] <sivang> ogra : here? 
[05:29] <mjg59> I wonder why it works here.
[05:29] <elmo> mdz: neato
[05:29] <daniels> or just multi-screen
[05:29] <bob2> if mellum gives me his screens, I will volunteer to fix it
[05:30] <rburton> daniels: xinerama
[05:30] <daniels> his tfts are beautiful
[05:30] <daniels> bob2: (mallum)
[05:30] <jdub> rburton: rocking, that'll be very sweet
[05:30] <rburton> daniels: dude, they are sucky tfts
[05:30] <jdub> mjg59: is this going to crash, break, halt...?
[05:30] <daniels> rburton: are they?
[05:30] <daniels> they looked shiny, at least, and there were three of them
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[05:30] <daniels> that negates any suckage
[05:31] <rburton> daniels: i thought they were cheap ones, but yeah, three screens rocks
[05:31] <daniels> ahr
[05:31] <daniels> yeah
=== Mithrandir ponders getting two decent ones.
[05:31] <rburton> i think ubuntu needs a super-widescreen version of all wallpaper
[05:31] <fabbione> daniels: if you want to make X faster, just stick some gentoo options at build time
[05:31] <fabbione> -o1337
[05:31] <fabbione> or stuff like that
[05:31] <mjg59> jdub: Might give weird screen effects
[05:31] <rburton> maybe the blonde laying across them all
[05:31] <daniels> fabbione: i'm settling for timestamping on the logs atm
[05:32] <fabbione> daniels: what part of the code do you expect to optimize?
[05:32] <fabbione> daniels: if you are luck you can manage to kill some startup sanity checks
[05:33] <jdub> mjg59: hmm
[05:33] <fabbione> once you know the previous startup was safe and no changes to the config have been done
[05:33] <jdub> mjg59: smoother than normal suspend/resume
[05:33] <jamesh> the wallpaper also looks shit at 2560*1024
[05:33] <fabbione> same at home
[05:33] <jdub> mjg59: now i don't have a mouse cursor
[05:33] <Mithrandir> mice are for weenies
[05:33] <mjg59> jdub: What you do it from a text console?
[05:33] <jdub> what if or did i?
[05:34] <jamesh> the fix is probably to get Nautilus or Eel to repeat the wallpaper for xinerama-style multiscreen
[05:34] <mjg59> jdub: Oops. Did you?
[05:34] <jamesh> multi-head, even
[05:34] <jdub> mjg59: no, i didn't
[05:34] <mjg59> jdub: Ah. Could you try?
[05:34] <daniels> fabbione: well, if anything, we'll just find where the huge bottlenecks are
[05:34] <daniels> we know where that is for i855: VBE
[05:34] <daniels> but who knows, we might turn up stuff like the ICE sleep
[05:35] <Treenaks> jdub: did you get my mail yesterday about the -nl mailinglist?
[05:35] <Treenaks> (not sure I sent it to the right address)
[05:35] <fabbione> daniels: yeah
[05:36] <mjg59> Has jdub's laptop blown up?
[05:36] <jdub> Treenaks: hrm, i don't think so
[05:36] <jdub> mjg59: no
[05:36] <jdub> mjg59: running around a bit :)
[05:36] <mjg59> Heh
[05:36] <jdub> it was just kinda weird
[05:37] <Treenaks> jdub: well, could you create it? :)
[05:37] <jdub> Treenaks: can you mail a summary and description of the list?
[05:37] <jdub> mjg59: in both cases it flashed weirdly
[05:37] <Treenaks> jdub: uh OK, what's the right address?
[05:37] <jdub> mjg59: from X it came back to X
[05:37] <jdub> Treenaks: jeff.waugh@canonical.com
[05:38] <mjg59> jdub: But none of the screen melting that you got before?
[05:38] <Treenaks> jdub: ok, thanks
[05:38] <jdub> mjg59: no
[05:38] <jdub> mjg59: good point :)
[05:38] <jdub> mjg59: hrm, i'll have to try console again
[05:38] <jdub> mjg59: it didn't return to the console properly
[05:39] <jdub> mjg59: just about to start a bof though
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[05:39] <mjg59> jdub: You'd need to at least hit enter again after running it
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[05:44] <Kamion> fabbione: rock
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[05:49] <Kamion> FABBIONE 
[05:49] <Kamion> where have all my powerpc nic-modules gone?
[05:51] <thom> *giggle*
[05:52] <Kamion> specifically sungem, but there are several other missing ones
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[05:52] <Treenaks> Kamion: restricted-modules?
[05:53] <Kamion> hell no!
[05:54] <Kamion> I don't see why it isn't getting built, the list files are right
[05:54] <fabbione> Kamion: ehhh???
[05:54] <fabbione> Kamion: i didn't touch anything on ppc
[05:55] <Kamion> fabbione: it's between 2.6.8.1-19 and 2.6.9-1
[05:55] <fabbione> Kamion: the lists are the same
[05:55] <fabbione> Kamion: we need to check the ppc logs
[05:56] <fabbione> as soon as they will be available
[05:56] <Kamion> they're available, 2.6.9-1 and 2.6.9-2 are both broken this way
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=== fabbione suspects something broken in kernel-wedge
[05:57] <fabbione> Kamion: hold on
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[05:58] <Kamion> mmm, I tend to agree
[05:58] <Kamion> which is SCARY
[05:58] <fabbione> Kamion: i am checking on the port box
[05:58] <fabbione> Kamion: can you tell me an exact package name that is missing
[05:58] <fabbione> ?
[05:58] <Kamion> missing module drivers/net/mv64340_eth.o
[05:59] <Kamion> that's in the build log; it might well be giving up there
[05:59] <Kamion> it's not packages that are missing, just some modules from nic-modules
[05:59] <fabbione> ah ok
[05:59] <fabbione> HMM
[05:59] <Kamion> did that driver get renamed?
[05:59] <fabbione> i understood that there were missing udebs from the lists
[05:59] <fabbione> Kamion
[05:59] <fabbione> not that i am aware of
[05:59] <mjg59> That driver got renamed, I think
[06:00] <Kamion> it's not in 2.6.8.1 either though
[06:00] <mjg59> It's 643xx
[06:00] <mjg59> (now)
[06:00] <Kamion> kinda makes me wonder how it ever worked
[06:01] <fabbione> Kamion: what are modules are missing?
[06:03] <Kamion> fabbione: hang on a sec
[06:04] <fabbione> Kamion: sure... take all the time you need
[06:04] <fabbione> i am trying to figure out an easy path to package the kernel without too much crack
[06:04] <Kamion> they seem to have disappeared in either 2.6.8.1-18 and 2.6.8.1-19
[06:04] <Kamion> in fact mv64340_eth disappeared from the .deb at that time, for no reason that's explained in the changelog
[06:05] <fabbione> Kamion: i am really sure i didn't change anything in terms of compilation
[06:05] <fabbione> other than adding the udeb generation from linux-source
[06:05] <fabbione> and adding sparc
[06:05] <fabbione> but no config updates or anything took place in 2.6.8.21
[06:06] <fabbione> hem
[06:06] <fabbione> .1
[06:08] <Kamion> -18_powerpc.deb seems to be missing from the morgue though
[06:08] <fabbione> -18 never had the time to compile
[06:08] <fabbione> -19 arrived in less than 20 minutes after
[06:08] <fabbione> so -17 -> -19 diff is ok
[06:08] <Kamion> ah, ok
=== fabbione needs some crack
[06:11] <mdz> elmo: have you grepped for data.tar.gz in katie?
[06:11] <mdz> elmo: the python API is such that if you want data.tar.gz, you ask for it by name
[06:11] <mdz> elmo: I've fixed the bit where it will abort if it isn't present, and fixed apt-ftparchive contents
[06:11] <mdz> elmo: anything else would be a problem external to apt
[06:12] <elmo> mdz: yeah, I know it does dude, but there was a bit of python-apt that needed fixed :P
[06:13] <mdz> elmo: which bit?
[06:14] <mdz> the only problem I found which I thought would affect katie was the check which bombed out if data.tar.gz was missing, in libapt-inst
[06:14] <mdz> python-apt doesn't reference data.tar.gz
[06:14] <elmo> Rejected: diveintopython_5.4-1ubuntu1_all.deb: deb contents timestamp check failed [exceptions.SystemError: This is not a valid
[06:14] <elmo> DEB archive, missing 'data.tar.gz' member] 
[06:15] <elmo> that bit in []  doesn't come from katie ...
[06:15] <mdz> yep, that's the bit I fixed
[06:15] <elmo> well okay, after the : ;P
[06:15] <elmo> ok
[06:15] <mdz> so if that's the only error you encountered, we're in good shape
[06:15] <mdz> katie doesn't actually do anything with data.tar.(gz|bz2), right?
[06:15] <elmo> "do" how?  it does checks on it
[06:16] <elmo> actually, it's just the timestamps check that matters immediately
[06:16] <elmo> I'll have to fix the NEW checking stuff too, but that's less critical
[06:20] <mdz> ah, ok
[06:24] <Kamion> fabbione: right, looks like it's just mv64340_eth; if you restore the CONFIG_MV64340_ETH* config entries from 2.6.8.1-19, s/MV64340/MV643XX/g on that, and s/mv64340/mv643xx/g on debian/d-i/powerpc/modules/powerpc/nic-modules, that should do it
[06:25] <Kamion> fabbione: however, the fact that the build didn't fail is a pretty serious kernel-wedge bug ...
[06:31] <daniels> (gdb) 
[06:31] <daniels> 568             LogVWrite(-1, f, args);
[06:31] <daniels> (gdb) print f
[06:31] <daniels> $3 = 0x81cf1c4 "\nFatal server error:\n"
[06:31] <daniels> (gdb) print args
[06:31] <daniels> $4 = 0xbfffd6e4 ""
[06:31] <daniels> (gdb) step
[06:31] <daniels> Breakpoint 1, LogVWrite (verb=136387520, f=0x0, args=0x0) at log.c:256
[06:31] <daniels> wtf?
[06:35] <fabbione> Kamion: kernel-wedge didn't fail because of the || true
[06:35] <fabbione> Kamion: since it was barfing on other unrelated problems
[06:35] <mjg59> HRNGH.
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[06:35] <Kamion> uh. you run kernel-wedge with || true?
[06:36] <fabbione> Kamion: isn't the driver built on 2.6.9 at all? afaik it does, but i can double check that
[06:36] <fabbione> Kamion: yes, we already discuss it a few days back.
[06:36] <Kamion> it's not built at all; you need to change the config
[06:36] <fabbione> Kamion: ok. that's easy to do.
[06:36] <Kamion> hm, ok, don't remind me, I don't want to know :)
[06:37] <fabbione> Kamion: i will remind you instead :-)
[06:37] <fabbione> kernel-wedge is not designed to face that mess
[06:37] <Kamion> looking at the diff the settings actually got deleted from the powerpc configs in 2.6.9-1
[06:37] <fabbione> and it barfs on the debs
[06:37] <fabbione> Kamion: if a CONFIG_* doesn't exist anymore, it gets automatically deleted, but the weird thing is why i wasn'
[06:38] <fabbione> wasn't prompted for the new one
[06:38] <Kamion> mkay
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[06:38] <mjg59> daniels: Ok, so it turns out that video_post has generally been initialising the wrong video card
[06:38] <mjg59> Which explains a lot of the misery
[06:39] <Mithrandir> heh
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[06:40] <mjg59> Keybuk: I've still no idea why it doesn't work on yours, but if you want to try my latest version of it, feel free
[06:41] <Keybuk> the screen goes black (dpms-style)
[06:41] <Keybuk> then when you switch to the X display, X go bye-bye and shows a picture of my gran's wallpaper
[06:42] <Keybuk> (tasteless green and white vertical stripes)
[06:42] <mjg59> Keybuk: Oh, right!
[06:42] <mjg59> That happens when you switch back to X?
[06:42] <Keybuk> yes
[06:42] <mjg59> Can you add Option VBERestore true to your device section?
[06:42] <Keybuk> it doesn't restore at all otherwise
[06:43] <mjg59> That's X getting horribly confused, then
[06:43] <Keybuk> I can try, but can't test for a while
[06:43] <mjg59> Rather than my code being broken
[06:43] <mjg59> Rock
[06:43] <daniels> to be fair, your video card usually isn't posted into an unknown state from under you
[06:43] <Keybuk> which device section?
[06:43] <mjg59> Keybuk: The ati one
[06:43] <Keybuk> both?
[06:43] <Keybuk> there's two
[06:43] <mjg59> Keybuk: There are?
[06:43] <Keybuk> yeh, laptop has two screens
[06:44] <mjg59> Oh, right
[06:44] <mjg59> The primary one, then
[06:44] <Keybuk> right
[06:44] <Keybuk> can't test for a bit though, I'm coding and don't want X dieing *again*
[06:44] <mjg59> daniels: Hang on a sec. How about we do vbe save/restore from userspace on ACPI rather than have the X server do it all the time?
[06:44] <mjg59> Would that improve your performance issues?
[06:45] <daniels> mjg59: it would improve i855's performance massively, but I think I can get a reasonable performance boost with some other shit I'm working on
[06:46] <mjg59> daniels: Ok, I'll look into that now
[06:46] <mjg59> (It'll be x86 only, but...)
[06:46] <daniels> unfortunately, if you declare a pointer in local scope in LogVWrite, its arguments go away
[06:46] <daniels> which sucks, because it's shit right now
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[06:47] <Treenaks> daniels: like, removing random sleep()s?
[06:47] <daniels> Treenaks: partially, yah :)
[06:52] <fabbione> isn't trukulo around?
[06:52] <fabbione> i tought he was coming here today
=== Kamion emerges from scary sbuild weirdness
[06:57] <Kamion> do we want to start defaulting to new kernels soon?
[06:57] <Kamion> I ask because I need to change rootskel to use 2.6.9 anyway on ia64
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[06:58] <fabbione> Kamion: i am doing a testbuild right now
[06:59] <fabbione> Kamion: go ahead and switch to 2.6.9
[06:59] <fabbione> i don't think we have any more regressions other than the ppc bits
[06:59] <fabbione> that i can easily upload this evening
[06:59] <fabbione> since it's a simple thing
[07:01] <Kamion> we should switch linux-meta as well to get the right packages on the CD
[07:02] <Kamion> mdz: feel like doing that?
[07:02] <fabbione> mdz: if so.. can you also add sparc please?
[07:02] <Kamion> and at some point I should actually release a new Array CD. :)
[07:05] <fabbione> ehehe
[07:09] <Treenaks> oooh.... coolness.... http://www.syswear.com/
[07:12] <fabbione> Kamion: i figured why it didn't build at all
[07:13] <fabbione> Kamion: and i wasn't prompted for the new symbol
[07:13] <fabbione> this is a pain to fix
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[07:19] <sladen> thom: according to mjg59 Scitech have already split the x86 emulator out from X and it's on their website
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[07:20] <mjg59> (scitech wrote the x86 emulator in X)
[07:26] <fabbione> Kamion: i am going to readd that stuff, but you will have to test it
[07:27] <fabbione> Kamion: not even google knows where the patch Herbert applied comes from
[07:28] <Kamion> fabbione: sure; I can't test that driver though, the one I was missing on my hardware was sungem
[07:28] <mjg59> Is this the Marvel driver?
[07:28] <Kamion> fabbione: which got lost 'cos it was after mv64340_eth in the modules file
[07:28] <mjg59> If so, it probably came from Sven
[07:28] <Kamion> fabbione: I checked, nothing else was missing
[07:28] <Kamion> oh, I wonder if my pegasos has it?
[07:28] <mjg59> It's the gigabit ethernet on the Pegasos 2
[07:28] <Kamion> $ ssh crydee
[07:28] <Kamion> ssh: connect to address 192.168.124.37 port 22: No route to host
[07:29] <mjg59> Haha
[07:29] <Kamion> d'oh, maybe it fell over
[07:29] <Kamion> well, I'll give it a go when I get home, can only plug 100mbit into it though
[07:30] <fabbione> Kamion
[07:30] <fabbione> i don't think sven can even code 2 lines of what is in that patch
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[07:32] <mjg59> fabbione: Sven won't have written it, but it'll have come through bplan
[07:32] <mjg59> (or genesi, or whicever bit of the company is pretending to have money this week)
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[07:32] <fabbione> mjg59: i will rather rediff it than ask him for a new patch
[07:33] <mjg59> Haha
[07:33] <mjg59> But isn't it in the stock kernel now?
[07:33] <mjg59> As mv643xx rather than mv64340
[07:33] <fabbione> no the pegasos part
[07:34] <mjg59> There's only something like 1000 Pegasoses in the wild, and most of those are with developers, so I wouldn't worry about it too much
[07:37] <fabbione> mjg59: well.. Kamion has been asking for it :-)
[07:38] <fabbione> in anycase the thingy is partially merged
[07:38] <fabbione> the rejects are trivial to merge
[07:38] <fabbione> there were 2/3 lines that were *scary*
[07:38] <Kamion> fabbione: no I haven't?
[07:38] <fabbione> but nothing impossible to do
[07:38] <mdz> fabbione: you have a fix for the usb-storage bug?
[07:38] <fabbione> Kamion: for the mv643xx ?
[07:38] <Kamion> I want mv64340_eth to build so that it and everything after it alphabetically end up in the nic-modules udeb
[07:38] <Kamion> sorry, mv643xx_eth
[07:38] <fabbione> Kamion: we are talking about the same driver
[07:38] <Kamion> I don't especially care whether or not it works :)
[07:38] <Kamion> yes, I know
[07:38] <Kamion> 18:37 < fabbione> mjg59: well.. Kamion has been asking for it :-)
[07:39] <fabbione> Kamion: it doesn't build on ppc if the code is not merged :
[07:39] <fabbione> :-)
[07:39] <Kamion> ah, I see
[07:39] <fabbione> + #ifdef __PPC__
[07:39] <fabbione> +       dev->irq = 9;
[07:39] <fabbione> + #else
[07:39] <fabbione>         dev->irq = ETH_PORT0_IRQ_NUM + port_num;
[07:39] <fabbione> + #endif
[07:39] <fabbione> 
[07:39] <fabbione> stuff like this :-)
[07:39] <fabbione> mdz: i did change the config on your request. the ohter bug is in the scsi layer
[07:40] <fabbione> mdz: if you can check bugzilla on kernel.org for a patch would help kthxbye :-)
[07:40] <mdz> fabbione: we cannot use 2.6.9 as default until that bug is fixed. it is a serious regression from 2.6.8.1
[07:41] <mdz> it is not clear whether the bug is in scsi or usb
[07:41] <mdz> I am on the CC list for the kernel.org bug; there has been no activity that I saw
[07:41] <Kamion> at the moment we are using 2.6.9 in the installer and 2.6.8.1 in the installed system, which is crack
[07:41] <Kamion> it will result in hotplug desync
[07:41] <mdz> but I have no idea whether the people who work on those subsystems actually look at bugzilla at all
[07:42] <Kamion> if we are going to use 2.6.9 in hoary I'd rather that we defaulted to it now
[07:42] <mdz> it makes me unable to do necessary development tasks
[07:42] <fabbione> mdz: we did disable the usb_blk_ub thingy already
[07:43] <Kamion> I thought Fabio had turned off the worst of it
[07:43] <mdz> fabbione: yes, I know
[07:43] <fabbione> mdz: and there are 2 bugs on bugzilla.k.o about the same stuff
[07:43] <mdz> that is one out of two show-stopper bugs
[07:43] <fabbione> one of the says that it is in the scsi layer
[07:43] <fabbione> and that has been fixed
[07:43] <fabbione> in some 2.6.10-crack version
[07:43] <mdz> the comment that says it is in the scsi layer is from someone who has no idea what they are talking about
[07:43] <mdz> oh, good
[07:43] <mdz> so we can pull the patch and be done with it
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[07:44] <fabbione> mdz: if you know what to pull....
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[07:44] <fabbione> mdz: it's not a case that today i started a little crack branch
[07:44] <mdz> er
[07:44] <mdz> I am looking at the kernel.org bugs and I see no indication that it is fixed anywhere
[07:44] <mdz> where did you see that?
[07:44] <fabbione> it was in the bug report
[07:45] <fabbione> it is written something like "this has been fixed a while ago"
[07:45] <fabbione> or similar
[07:45] <mdz> you must be looking at a different bug than I am
[07:45] <mdz> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3787
[07:45] <fabbione> mdz: possibly
[07:45] <mdz> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3829
[07:45] <fabbione> i don't have it handy now
[07:45] <mdz> those are the two that I am aware of
[07:45] <fabbione> i looked for a few days back
[07:46] <fabbione> mdz: you will be my testing bitch :-)
[07:46] <fabbione> because i already have this:
[07:46] <fabbione> linux-source-2.6.10-2.6.10               linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-0rc3.dsc
[07:46] <fabbione> linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-0rc3.diff.gz  linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10.orig.tar.gz
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[07:48] <herzi> 'd
[07:49] <fabbione> + this is kinda.. hmmm hoary?
[07:49] <fabbione> so i mean.. it can break
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[08:18] <trulux> anybody here with usb 2.0? :P
[08:18] <trulux> i can't get working an external ide-to-usb disk
[08:18] <trulux> the typical usb-storage device
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[08:28] <mjg59> daniels: The good news is, I have code that can save and restore state from userspace
[08:28] <mjg59> daniels: The bad news is, it dies if it's run under X
[08:28] <mjg59> This isn't /necessarily/ a problem
[08:28] <mjg59> But I'll look at that later on
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[09:54] <bronson_> Anyone know if there are plans to get the CVS xorg into Hoary?
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=== sid77 hi!
[10:14] <ironwolf> bronson: daniels might know.
[10:15] <moquist> hi sid77 
[10:41] <daniels> mjg59: the posting stuff dies?
[10:41] <daniels> bronson_: 6.8.2, yes, and I've already taken most of it back
[10:41] <daniels> bronson_: but really, nothing interesting is otherwise happening in cvs, other than a pending reorganisation
[10:41] <mjg59> daniels: No, VBE save/restore
[10:42] <mjg59> POST+vbe state restore+X might be enough
[10:42] <daniels> which won't be interesting from a user point of view
[10:42] <mjg59> Mm?
[10:42] <mjg59> If the user ever runs this stuff, they deserve what they get :)
[10:42] <mjg59> Actually, it should check that it's running on a console and exit otherwise
[10:43] <mjg59> So we switch away from X, save state, suspend, POST, restore state, switch back to X
[10:43] <mjg59> Which ought to let you drop VBERestore from X
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[10:52] <mjg59> daniels: So vberestore save sends vbestate to stdout. vberestore restore accepts it from stdout.
[10:54] <daniels> mjg59: heh, yeah :)
[10:54] <daniels> mjg59: right, sounds sane
[10:54] <daniels> cool
[10:55] <daniels> mjg59: you could hac^H^Hook into xf86EnterVT() and xf86LeaveVT() if you were feeling particularly sick
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[10:56] <bronson_> daniels: taken most of it back?  what do you mean?
[10:57] <mjg59> daniels: That just sounds... unnecessary
[10:57] <bronson_> 6.8.2 turns off the backlight on my laptop.  I'm hoping I can wait a week and download new packages, rather than trying to compile x myself...
[10:58] <mjg59> daniels: That functionality is centralised anyway, so I'm not sure why some drivers don't use it
[10:58] <bronson_> I want to try it so I can close the bug filed on xorg bugzilla.
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[11:10] <bob2> thom: daniels discovered he was too soft to come back
[11:10] <Treenaks> wow
[11:11] <Treenaks> 11mbit in my room ;)
[11:12] <Kamion> fabbione: let me know when you've done the linux-meta update for ia64 (lamont said you were doing it?), so I can update rootskel and base-installer
[11:12] <thom> lamer
[11:13] <Kamion> fabbione: what should I do in the installer if I spot sparc32? erroring out requires a string change ...
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[11:13] <Kamion> er, sparc32 images
[11:13] <Treenaks> jdub is on slashdot again.. his name at least
[11:15] <mjg59> daniels: Rocking
[11:15] <mjg59> I can do vbesave and vberestore
[11:16] <bob2> mjg59: daniels is suggesting that unloading ipw2100 before sleep might make it more stable
[11:16] <mjg59> I do that, don't I?
[11:16] <mjg59> Hrm. That's interesting. X is taking about 30% of CPU.
[11:17] <bob2> not in /etc/acpi on my system
[11:17] <bob2> maybe daniels' crack doesn't
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[11:18] <mjg59> Ah
[11:18] <mjg59> Yeah, you want my crack
[11:19] <mxpxpod> I compiled my own kernel and did make-kpkg kernel-headers and the resulting package has nothing in it
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[11:19] <mxpxpod> is there a reason for this?
[11:21] <bob2> mjg59: hm, I have your crack, still no mention of ipw2 in /etc/acpi
[11:21] <mjg59> bob2: Yeah, it automatically works out the list of network modules
[11:21] <bob2> mjg59: oh, shiney
[11:22] <bob2> no reboot needed, right?
[11:22] <Keybuk> mjg: so, video-post ...
[11:22] <mjg59> Nope
[11:22] <mjg59> Keybuk: Yo
[11:22] <Keybuk> it makes my screen switch off
[11:22] <mjg59> Yeah
[11:22] <Keybuk> and even with VBERestore, makes X.org very very unhappy
[11:22] <mjg59> It seems to do that sometimes
[11:22] <mjg59> Hm
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[11:25] <bob2> hm, woke up immediately
[11:25] <thom> keybuk is singing the "mjg59 sucks" song
[11:25] <thom> it's very repettitive
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[11:26] <Mithrandir> thom: where are you?
[11:26] <bob2> lamont_r: eh?
[11:26] <Kamion> fabbione: never mind, I'll just upload it, it's not like the installer works on ia64 yet anyway ;)
[11:26] <lamont_r> bob2: or was that not a troll?
[11:26] <mjg59> Keybuk: Hang on, shiny new crack coming right up
[11:26] <Kamion> 22:22 -!- lamont_r [~lamont@213.151.107.243]  has quit ["Leaving"] 
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[11:26] <Kamion> 22:25 < bob2> hm, woke up immediately
[11:26] <Mithrandir> Kamion: you should be careful pimping for hardware like that.
[11:27] <Treenaks> lamont_r: could you boost the power on those APs of yours? :)
[11:27] <Kamion> Mithrandir: Mark keeps trying to fill my bedroom with computers even more than it already is
[11:27] <Treenaks> lamont_r: I keep getting disconnects ;)
[11:27] <Mithrandir> Kamion: get yourself a rack and tell him they need to be rackmountable and silent?
[11:28] <mjg59> Keybuk: Grab www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/vbestate and do FOO=`vbestate save`; vm86_video_post; echo $FOO | vbestate restore
[11:28] <Treenaks> tie him to the rack!
[11:28] <Treenaks> oh wait.. other rack
[11:28] <lamont_r> Treenaks: what I need to do is get back in the main room
[11:28] <lamont_r> and move things
[11:28] <Kamion> Mithrandir: unfortunately none of my machines so far are such, so I still lose a big load of space :(
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[11:28] <mjg59> I don't think he had time to test that...
[11:28] <Treenaks> you can go there.. it's dark.. but it's open
[11:29] <thom> Mithrandir: hacking room
[11:29] <Keybuk> mjg59: can you repost?
[11:29] <Keybuk> I got attacked by your hibernate script
[11:29] <mjg59> Keybuk: Grab www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/vbestate and do FOO=`vbestate save`; vm86_video_post; echo $FOO | vbestate restore
[11:29] <mjg59> Keybuk: Except, don't just yet. Give me a minute.
[11:29] <Keybuk> the only affect of which is to unmount /proc and cause gnome to have a seisure
[11:29] <Mithrandir> is the usb brokenness in 2.6.9 fixed in hoary?
[11:29] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: ish
[11:29] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Yeah
[11:30] <Treenaks> mjg59: I'll test my if my suspend/resume cycle stuff is fixed tomorrow
[11:30] <mjg59> Treenaks: rock
[11:30] <Keybuk> mjg59: out of X?
[11:30] <mjg59> Keybuk: Console. Really console. But give me a minute or two more.
[11:31] <Treenaks> hm.. I have one dead green pixel (lighting up at like 50% all the time)
[11:32] <Treenaks> but it's in the middle of the face of the calendar girl
[11:32] <Keybuk> maybe she just has a zit
[11:32] <Keybuk> as well as being cross-eyed?
[11:32] <thom> and having her nipples cut
[11:32] <Treenaks> Keybuk: a green one?
[11:33] <Treenaks> Keybuk: that'd just be scary
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[11:34] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: why not just do an alarm($((3600*8)))
[11:34] <Kamion> bah, no mdz
[11:34] <|trey|> Hey, sorry to bother here... would it be user error that I am getting default GNOME menu's in hoary? Just finished fresh install and upgrade... "saved session" once, but thats never resulted in this before  :(
[11:35] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: well, that too.
[11:35] <Treenaks> |trey|: it's known and will be fixed soon
[11:35] <|trey|> Treenaks, alright, thanks  :)
[11:35] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: mixing sleep() and alarm() is Bad
[11:37] <Kamion> Mithrandir: nice mix of C and shell syntax there
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[11:38] <Keybuk> Kamion: he's probably a csh freak
[11:38] <Keybuk> heh
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[11:38] <Treenaks> *shudder*
[11:38] <Mithrandir> Kamion: zsh, zsh
[11:38] <Kamion> bless you
[11:39] <Mithrandir> thom: where have you got your BT crack from?
[11:39] <thom> Mithrandir: BT?
[11:39] <Mithrandir> bluetooth
[11:40] <Mithrandir> you had something in your menus, iirc
[11:40] <thom> ahr, jdub's bluetooth repo
[11:40] <Treenaks> bittorrent over bluetooth!
[11:40] <Mithrandir> apt line?
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[11:40] <thom> #deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/warty/ ./
[11:41] <Mithrandir> thx
[11:41] <Treenaks> what's a good python+dbus example?
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[11:45] <thom> Treenaks: hal has some python apps
[11:46] <Treenaks> thom: I can fnd only one
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[11:51] <Treenaks> yikes.. this is easier than I thought
[11:55] <bob2> lamont_r: was talking about my laptop, foo'!
[11:57] <bob2> mjg59: after unloading ehci_hcd, no more problem
[11:57] <mjg59> Grr. I really don't understand this.
[11:58] <mjg59> bob2: Really? Weird.
[11:58] <mjg59> Ok, possibly we should unload those, then.
[11:58] <mjg59> The USB suspend/resume still seems a touch dodgy
[11:59] <mjg59> But it works here. Oh well.
[11:59] <bob2> yeah, it worked sometimes before
[11:59] <bob2> but just now it was saying this:
[11:59] <bob2> Could not suspend device 0000:00:1d.7: error -5
[11:59] <bob2> which according to lspci is the ehci controller thing
[11:59] <mjg59> Hm
[11:59] <mjg59> 2.6.9 or 2.6.8?
[12:00] <bob2> 2.6.8.1-3-686