[12:00] <rjek> RhythmBox takes 2 minutes to load its whopping XML database of my MP3 collection, and doesn't actually have any queueing functionality at all that I can find.
[12:00] <osiris_22> how do i install a source file
[12:00] <sval> osiris_22 what do you mean by install a source file ?
[12:00] <rjek> Right, I've got XMMS working, ta.
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> rjek: esd allows multiple apps to play
[12:00] <geppy> osiris_22:  tar -xvzf, then cd to the directory, and './compile && make && sudo make install' works for most things.
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> at the same time
[12:00] <rjek> I know what esd does.
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> of course it's a problem
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> but the basic goal of ubuntu is for the the 'supported' apps to Just Work
[12:01] <gen> just hrdwrbob eh
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> and esd allows that to happen
[12:01] <rjek> Totem hardly works at all!
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> true :(
[12:01] <wfx> is there any special in ubuntu to use a printer via a cups server (printer works fine from other clients)
[12:01] <rjek> It can't even redraw its window properly when playing music, and the playlisting simply does not work.
[12:01] <rjek> You add a file to the playlist, except it doesn't actually get added.
[12:02] <bob2> totem is a video player
[12:02] <geppy> wfx:  cups is an option in the printer dialog, no?
[12:02] <bob2> use a music player like rhythmbox or cplay
[12:02] <geppy> or xmms
[12:02] <geppy> or beep-media-player, or muine
[12:02] <sval> wfx, just configure the printers via the official web interface ;)
[12:02] <geppy> I would strongly advise you against both Totem and Rhythmbox
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> I use rhythmbox
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> it's good
[12:02] <gen> muine is a pain to install, but i like it
[12:02] <rjek> bob2: Well, it certainly claims to play sound, and even offers visualisation features for when you're playing just sound.  (Which of course, doesn't work.)
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> but as you said, I want queuing functionality
[12:02] <rjek> RhythmBox is unforgivably awful.
[12:03] <bob2> rjek: please file bugs
[12:03] <scizzo> rjek: totem works fine for me
[12:03] <sval> wfx go to http://localhost:631
[12:03] <wfx> geppy: yes and setup one in ubuntu bit it will not print (status is alway "printer stoped")
[12:03] <scizzo> rjek: but you should understand the difference between hoary and warty also
[12:03] <bob2> and please provide constructive criticism instead subjective of blanket statements
[12:03] <rjek> scizzo: That I do.
[12:03] <geppy> bob2:  Me?  I've done so, only half an hour ago.
[12:03] <jon1012> rjek: lol rhythmbox is heaven :p
[12:04] <jon1012> arg don't kill me :p
[12:04] <bob2> geppy: ?
[12:04] <wfx> sval: is not local but ok what now
[12:04] <geppy> bob2: and please provide constructive criticism instead subjective of blanket statements
[12:04] <geppy> I'm asking who that is to refer to.
[12:05] <rjek> bob2: OK.  It's hideously slow at starting up.  Its user interface makes it nigh-on impossible to find stuff in large collections, no matter how tidily organised.  It has no queuing functionality.  Resorting the main listing takes seemingly forever.  It uses more memory than the earth simulator.  There doesn't appear to be a way of setting a rating to zero stars from the list view.  There's no (at least obvious) way of rating multiple tracks at the sam
[12:05] <bob2> geppy: the person I spoke to immediately prior, rjek
[12:05] <geppy> bob2:  Alright.
[12:05] <bob2> rjek: one of those is a lie, some are subjective, and some are real bugs
[12:05] <rjek> Which is the lie?
[12:06] <geppy> bob2:  I see no lies;  they're all problems that I agree with.
[12:06] <bob2> I'm pretty sure the earth simulator doesn't run on my laptop
[12:06] <rjek> Ok, that was hyperbole, but not a lie. :)
[12:06] <bob2> define it how you like
[12:06] <bob2> but please file bugs on the rest if someone hasn't already
[12:07] <wfx> sval: what next?
[12:07] <rjek> Should I report each issue as a seperate bug?
[12:07] <bob2> well, the author is probably in a better position to decide on that
[12:08] <bob2> if each is an actual issue that has not been reported already, yes
[12:08] <scizzo> nice...just noticed that my rhythmbox does not have the radio stations anymore
[12:09] <osiris_22> guys
[12:09] <osiris_22> i cant seem to get aim installed for linux
[12:09] <osiris_22> i dotn understand like the targz file
[12:09] <osiris_22> isnt working
[12:09] <gen> osiris_22, use gaim
[12:09] <osiris_22> the dabien files arnt working
[12:09] <gen> comes with ubuntu
[12:09] <geppy> osiris_22:  Use GAIM.
[12:09] <osiris_22> no i need aim
[12:09] <osiris_22> for a reason
[12:09] <geppy> osiris_22:  Why?
[12:09] <gen> what reason
[12:09] <geppy> osiris_22:  What reason?
[12:09] <osiris_22> because of the link reasons
[12:09] <wfx> geppy: the printer is accesable via windos and linux client(gentoo) but i want work from ubuntu.
[12:09] <gen> link reasons?
[12:10] <gen> aols version of aim for linux is god awful
[12:10] <osiris_22> yes me and my dude link our screens names together
[12:10] <geppy> wfx:  how is it not accessible from Ubuntu?
[12:10] <geppy> osiris_22:  What are you talking about?
[12:10] <osiris_22> linking 2 screen names together
[12:10] <padlefot> i just cant get my resolution in XF86Config UP!
[12:10] <Quest-Master> Direct Connect.
[12:10] <geppy> osiris_22:  Right, so, since I didn't get it the first time...  Could you elaborate?
[12:10] <padlefot> anybody??
[12:10] <Quest-Master> It doesn't work in Gaim.
[12:10] <geppy> Quest-Master:  Thank-you.
[12:10] <wfx> geppy: yes i see it but it does not print anything
[12:10] <Quest-Master> Osiris_22: Live without DC.
[12:11] <gen> doesn't work in aols version either as far as i know (for linux)
[12:11] <Quest-Master> I do.
[12:11] <Quest-Master> Doesn't work in Linux's AIM.
[12:11] <geppy> wfx:  Are you sure that you've correctly identified the printer?
[12:11] <Quest-Master> You'll have to live with it.
[12:11] <geppy> wfx:  You may be using incorrect drivers, perhaps?
[12:11] <osiris_22> and with gaim
[12:11] <osiris_22> i cant seem to send any files
[12:11] <osiris_22> gaim crashes every time
[12:11] <osiris_22> and ams
[12:11] <geppy> osiris_22:  Run GAIM 1.03
[12:11] <osiris_22> amsn
[12:11] <osiris_22> isnt stable
[12:11] <gen> osoris_22, i send files fine in gaim..
[12:12] <Quest-Master> Direct Connect is different, gen
[12:12] <osiris_22> it fucken closes on me eveyrtime i try to send a file
[12:12] <Quest-Master> Dude, just use Gaim.
[12:12] <gen> Quest-Master, yeah i know
[12:12] <Quest-Master> apt-get install gaim --reinstall
[12:12] <gen> i said send files, not d-im
[12:12] <Quest-Master> k.
[12:12] <osiris_22> dude
[12:12] <osiris_22> ive reinstalled gaim before
[12:12] <osiris_22> its like the verson isnt stable or something
[12:13] <geppy> osiris_22:  Run GAIM 1.03
[12:13] <bob2> lordy
[12:13] <Hikaru79> osiris_22, GAIM is the #1 most popular item on SourceForge. If something's not working, it probably means you've got something now set up right
[12:13] <Hikaru79> Rather than GAIM being wrong >_>
[12:13] <osiris_22> synaptic set it up man
[12:13] <osiris_22> ok
[12:13] <osiris_22> if i iinstall game 1.03 ill have to do it from a source right?
[12:14] <gen> unless using hoary repos osiris
[12:14] <osiris_22> we are also trying to find a voice chat also and skype is really shitty
[12:14] <geppy> osiris_22:  Hoary has GAIM 1.0.3
[12:15] <martxel> anyone of you has installed hoary?
[12:16] <Hikaru79> I have
[12:16] <geppy> martxel:  I am running Hoary.
[12:16] <gen> martxel, of course..
[12:16] <Hikaru79> =)
[12:16] <Hikaru79> A whole bunch of people on the forums have, as well.
[12:16] <osiris_22> im not gonna reinstall ubuntu lmao
[12:16] <osiris_22> fuck that i got everything working nicely accept gaim
[12:16] <gen> stop using that language, seriously
[12:16] <bob2> please stop swearing
[12:16] <geppy> osiris_22:  No-one is asking you to.
[12:16] <osiris_22> its ok geppy
[12:16] <martxel> geppy and gen dont you have problems with the sound playing with totem, mplayer, xine?
[12:17] <martxel> playing films
[12:17] <geppy> martxel:  concurrent sound?
[12:17] <Hikaru79> martxel, I have hoary and I don't..
[12:17] <martxel> only the sound of the films
[12:17] <martxel> :S
[12:17] <bob2> and "lmao" and "lol" is not punctuation
[12:17] <bob2> and judging from os	's desciprtion of the problem, moving to hoary is not a good idea
[12:17] <geppy> martxel: I have no problems with sound in mplayer.
[12:17] <martxel> i think the problem is with the ouput device
[12:18] <fko> bye..
[12:18] <martxel> but i dont know what to do
[12:18] <geppy> martxel:  Are you still using the mplayer from the repository?
[12:18] <martxel> geppy the problem is that i dont know how to install without the apt-get
[12:19] <geppy> martxel:  I was telling you;  if you run that shell script, then it will install it from source, without you needing to do a thing, other than run it.
[12:19] <geppy> martxel:  If you'd like help installing it like that, I can help you.
[12:20] <verden01> HI
[12:20] <verden01> Does anyone run ubuntu64
[12:21] <bob2> it's best to just ask your question
[12:21] <AndyR> nite ppl
[12:21] <verden01> bob2, was that aimed at me?
[12:21] <geppy> verden01:  Yes.
[12:21] <gen> verden01, yeah it was
[12:21] <mattgirv> Howdy :D
[12:21] <bob2> verden01: yeah
[12:21] <mattgirv> Does anyone know where JAVA installs to on default?
[12:22] <mattgirv> I am trying to install Azureus
[12:22] <bob2> mattgirv: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:22] <bob2> it's alos in the FAQ, which is the first item in the channel topic
[12:22] <mattgirv> um, i have already installed it, but i wanted to know where it goes
[12:23] <mattgirv> becuase i need to point azureus to it
[12:23] <bob2> depends on how you installed it
[12:23] <mattgirv> bin file :/
[12:24] <verden01> ok  well i have upgraded ubuntu via apt-get and was wondering if anyone had successfuly added the debian 64 repositories and upgrade without breaking ubuntu
[12:24] <bob2> verden01: please don'tdo that
[12:24] <bob2> it's a bad idea
[12:24] <geppy> Agreed.
[12:24] <bob2> mattgirv: /usr/local/java or something I guess.  it didn't say during the install?
[12:24] <verden01> care to explain  :-)
[12:25] <sid77> mattgirv, try un "which java"
[12:25] <mattgirv> heh it might of said, in the install.. but i cannot remember
[12:25] <bob2> they can be subtly incompatible
[12:25] <sid77> s/a/un
[12:25] <mattgirv> sid77 : sorry? "which java" ?
[12:25] <bob2> and if you don't understand how, you will have problems, and no one will be able to help you
[12:25] <verden01> cool ok thought i'd ask here b4 going ahead
[12:25] <bob2> why do you want to do this, anyway?
[12:25] <sid77> mattgirv, open a terminal and write "which java"
[12:26] <verden01> because i have an AMD64 system
[12:26] <mattgirv> oh ok
[12:26] <osiris_22> ok
[12:26] <mattgirv> ahh found it :D
[12:26] <osiris_22> i just reinstalled skype
[12:26] <osiris_22> blah
[12:26] <osiris_22> amsn
[12:26] <osiris_22> blah
[12:26] <osiris_22> klmao
[12:26] <osiris_22> game
[12:26] <mattgirv> /usr/local/j2re1.4.2_05/bin
[12:26] <osiris_22> gaim
[12:26] <sid77> mattgirv, "which" command locate binaries in your $PATH
[12:26] <gen> osiris_22, shut up
[12:26] <osiris_22> lmao jesus
[12:26] <geppy> osiris_22:  Don't do that!
[12:26] <osiris_22> andy it didnt work
[12:26] <bob2> osiris_22: please stop it
[12:26] <osiris_22> i still cant send files
[12:26] <osiris_22> stop what?
[12:26] <geppy> osiris_22:  You aren't helping yourself.  Be specific, and don't be obnoxioous.
[12:26] <verden01> so what your saying is just stick with the ubuntu sources.list?
[12:26] <geppy> Being obnoxious!
[12:26] <gen> osiris_22, flooding
[12:26] <osiris_22> no im not
[12:27] <gen> don't expect to get help
[12:27] <osiris_22> i kept saying the wrong thing
[12:27] <geppy> verden01:  Yes;  use multiverse, if you want.
[12:27] <bob2> osiris_22: then perhaps consider saying nothing?
[12:27] <osiris_22> i reinstalled gaim and well it didnt fix the problem
[12:27] <TD> are there any forum admins around? is this the right place to find them, or is there an #ubuntu-devel type channel?
[12:27] <geppy> osiris_22:  How did it not fix the problem?  We can't help you if you're not specific.
[12:27] <geppy> TD: #ubuntu-devel =)
[12:27] <bob2> TD: email whichever guy runs them
[12:27] <zenwhen> the problem being?
[12:28] <bob2> no, the guy running them is not a developer
[12:28] <zenwhen> TD #ubuntuforums
[12:28] <osiris_22> every time i try to send a file
[12:28] <verden01> can i install flashplayer from Synaptic?
[12:28] <osiris_22> it crashes gaim
[12:28] <wfx> ok no printing via ubuntu.
[12:28] <TD> zenwhen: the problem being that i need to talk to somebody about some posts on it, in private
[12:28] <geppy> verden01:  No, look at the wiki.
[12:28] <verden01> k
[12:28] <gen> osiris_22, you really suck at details
[12:28] <gen> just letting you know
[12:28] <geppy> hahaha  =)
[12:28] <osiris_22> i go to send a file.. the program crashes
[12:28] <TD> zenwhen: in particular somebody who has some influence over a certain moderator
[12:28] <osiris_22> what more details do i need..
[12:28] <osiris_22> thats kinda everything there
[12:29] <geppy> osiris_22:   *sigh*
[12:29] <socomm> verden01: Can you? :^P
[12:29] <sval> osiris_22 , run gaim via a terminal and past the error messages
[12:29] <bob2> osiris_22: maybe windows is a better choice?
[12:29] <zenwhen> RD, none of the mods seem to be "online" right now. I know some mods though.
[12:29] <zenwhen> Hit me on pm.
[12:29] <geppy> osiris_22:  Try posting your console messages TO A PASTEBIN.
[12:29] <bob2> it seems linux doesn't make you happy
[12:29] <zenwhen> They are ops in my channel.
[12:29] <geppy> bob2: heh, true
[12:29] <osiris_22> gaim is the only problem im haven
[12:29] <osiris_22> and i use aim alot!
[12:29] <gen> we can tell you do
[12:29] <geppy> hahaha
[12:30] <farruinn> this is a silly question, but how do I start X?
[12:30] <geppy> farruinn: startx
[12:30] <gen> garruinn, startx
[12:30] <sval> farruinn startx
[12:30] <farruinn> startx as my own user, sudo?
[12:30] <geppy> farruinn:  Either.
[12:30] <bob2> no
[12:30] <bob2> as your user
[12:30] <geppy> farruinn:  Actually, sudo isn't a good idea.
[12:30] <bob2> but by default gdm will run anyway
[12:30] <geppy> farruinn:  But I was thinking that you could sudo to a different user.
[12:30] <farruinn> geppy, isn't that su?
[12:31] <geppy> farruinn:  Erm... right.
[12:31] <geppy> farruinn:  But you can sudo as a different user, as well.
[12:32] <farruinn> oh cool
[12:32] <farruinn> haha, I forgot, I had run startx but it was going really slow - seemed like it had frozen, so I went to dinner, but it's up now
[12:32] <farruinn> (that was a while ago)
[12:33] <farruinn> I'm trying to use different wm's with gnome
[12:33] <rjek> bob2: How long does the BTS usually take in sending confirmation emails for new accounts?
[12:33] <geppy> rjek:  I figure that if anyone knew, they'd have said something, by now.
[12:34] <farruinn> ameterus doesn't look very swell
[12:34] <geppy> rjek:  Go have some ice cream, and look for it tomorrow.  =)
[12:34] <osiris_22> does anyone know a good voice chat program?
[12:34] <rjek> I'll have lost my demented fury then, and the bug report won't be half as useful. :)
[12:35] <mjr> osiris_22, gnomemeeting perhaps
[12:35] <mjr> uses standard protocols, can interoperate with ms netmeeting and stuff
[12:36] <geppy> rjek:  heh, 'vi ~/infuriatedbugrepot'  =P
[12:36] <Q-FUNK> or linphone
[12:36] <sval> osiris_22 skype
[12:36] <rjek> geppy: I don't know what information the BTS will ask from me yet. :)
[12:37] <geppy> rjek:  Say everything that you can think of, then.  =0
[12:37] <geppy> *=)
[12:37] <sval> skype skype skype
[12:37] <rjek> Skype's not actually all that good, either.
[12:37] <sval> all depend on your needs !
[12:38] <rjek> The quality of call you get between copies of Skype is fairly rank, and the quality of call you get to the phone system is just shocking.
[12:38] <verden01> i can't see anything about flashplayer in the WIKI
[12:38] <wfx> is there any wiki for ubuntu an printer setup?
[12:38] <mjr> hmm, right, linphone was that sip-using thing. Well, hopefully gnomemeeting's sip support will arrive soonish
[12:39] <geppy> verden01:  Look in the proprietary formats section.  Actually, just download the flash player off of their website.
[12:39] <geppy> verden01:  Macromedia's website, that is.
[12:40] <wfx> good night
[12:40] <verden01> k
[12:41] <dont_know_what> hi all
[12:42] <dont_know_what> first time here
[12:42] <scoon> yo, yo, yo
[12:42] <dont_know_what> question: does anyone know how to setup x.org xserver?
[12:42] <scoon> what's up party people
[12:42] <scoon> dont_know_what, set up how ?
[12:42] <scoon> dont_know_what, what do you want it to do ?
[12:43] <dont_know_what> replace the normal xfree86-xserver
[12:43] <gen> going hoary would do that
[12:43] <mjr> it uses the same config file format as XFree86
[12:43] <dont_know_what> gen: i did
[12:43] <dont_know_what> mjr: i now
[12:43] <scoon> cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:43] <dont_know_what> mjr: sorry i should be more specific
[12:43] <gen> oh 'setup'
[12:44] <scoon> dont_know_what, and then set fire up xorg
[12:44] <scoon> dont_know_what, they have the same config file
[12:44] <sval> dont_know_what apt-get install -t hoary xserver-xorg
[12:44] <scoon> dont_know_what, infact, xorg may read XF86Config-4 if xorg.conf does not exist.
[12:45] <Scognito> what is the page of the wiki where i can set up nvidia card?
[12:45] <Scognito> where is i mean
[12:45] <sval> dont_know_what just have to install the hoary package ... not necessery to upgrade all the distro to hoary
[12:45] <dont_know_what> scoon:  i've already added the hoary sources, replaced xfree with xorg, but.....
[12:45] <scoon> dont_know_what, but what man, i can't read minds.
[12:45] <dont_know_what> scoon: sorry, i was still typing
[12:46] <scoon> dont_know_what, that's cool, no worries.
[12:46] <scoon> dont_know_what, but i still can't read minds.
[12:46] <scoon> :0
[12:46] <dont_know_what> scoon: but startx won't give me anything more than the default X background
[12:46] <gen> the force is strong with this one
[12:46] <dont_know_what> scoon: gdm will say another X session is using the console and no machine won't connect for no obvious reason
[12:46] <sval> dont_know_what did you upgrade gdm ? maybe it can fix the problem
[12:47] <scoon> dont_know_what, how about this: /etc/init.d/gdm stop && killall gdm
[12:47] <sval> dont_know_what apt-get install -t hoary gdm
[12:47] <dont_know_what> sval: i have the latest from hoary
[12:47] <scoon> dont_know_what, just for sanity's sake.
[12:47] <scoon> dont_know_what, and then /etc/init.d/gdm start
[12:47] <mjr> if the default X background appears, there's nothing wrong with the X setup as such
[12:47] <dont_know_what> scoon: ok let me try it now
[12:47] <sid77> bye all
[12:48] <scoon> dont_know_what, that screen you are getting is xorgs window manager (think openbox kind of thing)
[12:48] <scoon> gen, what force is that, young grasshopper
[12:48] <mjr> X sessions might be screwed though :)
[12:48] <dont_know_what> mjr: yes, but it seems to mess with the text consoles (as if the resolution is incorrect) and xdm will not give me anything more either. although at least it does not complain about the console being used
[12:48] <dert> helloo
[12:49] <dont_know_what> mjr: how do i fix x sessions?
[12:49] <piyr> i want to install a more recent version of mysql than what is on synaptic -- how do i do that with ubuntu?
[12:49] <scoon> sval, neat trick.  how does that work out.
[12:50] <scoon> damn, man pages really help out.
[12:51] <sval> scoon, what do you mean by neat trick ? english is not my first langage
[12:52] <scoon> sval, sorry, i just didn't read the apt-get man pages close enough.  that is a good suggestion.
[12:52] <scoon> sval, :)
[12:52] <sval> scoon, ok no prob
[12:53] <padlefot> piyr: atp-get update mysqld?
[12:53] <padlefot> **apt
[12:53] <socomm> scoon: That's why they're there.
[12:53] <scoon> socomm, really? after 6years of running linux, you'd think i would read them more.......
[12:53] <sval> scoon, just have a look here ! http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[12:54] <piyr> padlefot: thanks
[12:54] <padlefot> let me know how it turned out
[12:54] <padlefot> :)
[12:58] <scoon> exit
[12:58] <socomm> Anyone know why highlights don't work in vim anymore.
[12:59] <geppy> socomm:  Check your vim settings?
[12:59] <socomm> geppy: I did.
[12:59] <geppy> socomm:  hmph
[12:59] <scizzo> night
[12:59] <geppy> g'night
[01:01] <geppy> Would anyone know why Rhythmbox 0.8.8 is in the Hoary repository, and 0.8.7 is current, according to rhythmbox.org?
[01:01] <socomm> geppy: cvs build maybe?
[01:02] <geppy> socomm:  That's what I was thinking.
[01:02] <carthik> geppy, it must be a dev version, prolly, there is 0.9 here -> http://rhythmbox.org/development.html
[01:02] <geppy> Oh, I missed that.  heh.  Thanks.
[01:03] <oejfap> hi all
[01:03] <oejfap> i had an nvidia card and i used nvidia kernel and nvidia binary
[01:04] <oejfap> now i'm using matrox g400
[01:04] <geppy> Why?
[01:04] <geppy> It's seriously a bad idea to run anything other than Nvidia.
[01:04] <oejfap> what i have to do to enable glx again? i got glx extension missing, but i have the module loaded on xorfg.conf (hoary)
[01:04] <funnylookinhat> He's right you know.
[01:05] <oejfap> the videocard nvidia was not mine
[01:05] <oejfap> is there a way to reconfigure X ?
[01:05] <oejfap> i tried with:
[01:05] <oejfap> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:05] <oejfap> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed
[01:06] <Ribs> oejfap: Have you tried re-installing with Synaptic?
[01:06] <Ribs> That might bring up the config
[01:06] <socomm> geppy: How you figure? Most video cards will work with X, some even with acceleration.
[01:06] <oejfap> if i try to re-install xserver-xfree86 i got:
[01:06] <oejfap> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[01:06] <oejfap>   x-window-system-core xorg-driver-synaptics xserver-xorg
[01:06] <oejfap> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[01:06] <oejfap>   xserver-xfree86
[01:06] <oejfap> is it ok?
[01:06] <Ribs> heh
[01:07] <socomm> oejfap: You'll have to reinstall xserver-xfree86.
[01:07] <geppy> socomm:  It's a pain, though, and few non-Nvidia cards work with 3d acceleration.  I don't know of any, at least.
[01:07] <Ribs> so you're using xserver-xorg now?
[01:07] <Ribs> not xfree?
[01:07] <crimsun> geppy: yep
[01:07] <socomm> oejfap: Maybe --force-all with dpkg.
[01:07] <oejfap> but xorg will be removed
[01:07] <socomm> geppy: I had an old sis card working with 3D accel a few months back.
[01:08] <geppy> socomm:  I don't doubt it, but your past tense verb worries me.  =)
[01:08] <socomm> geppy: What you probably meant was, "avoid ATi, like the plague" or something.
[01:08] <geppy> hahaha
[01:09] <geppy> For the most part, yes, but I don't know of anyone else that's actively making (and selling) any decent video cards.
[01:09] <geppy> Though I suppose that there _are_ people in this world who are willing to use older video hardware.
[01:10] <socomm> geppy: They are nice if ATi decides to support your OS, otherwise ...
[01:10] <geppy> socomm:  True.
[01:10] <Ribs> Linux support from ATI is coming...
[01:10] <geppy> Ribs: hahaha
[01:10] <Ribs> It's just a matter of time, really
[01:10] <socomm> Ribs: Not fast enough. :^P
[01:10] <Ribs> geppy: ATI have said this themselevs
[01:10] <geppy> Ribs:  They _are_ "supporting" Linux, you know.  They just don't care.
[01:10] <Ribs> They have increased the resources they're giving Linux
[01:10] <geppy> Just because we're "supported" doesn't mean that we're supported.
[01:11] <geppy> Ribs:  Really?  I'm interested.  Can you give me any links?  =)
[01:11] <Ribs> The drivers will be on par with Nvidia in around six months, I think
[01:11] <Ribs> geppy: yeah, hold on..
[01:11] <geppy> Now _that_ would be something.
[01:11] <geppy> Thanks.
[01:11] <socomm> Ribs: That's not saying much though.
[01:11] <geppy> socomm:  Do you have troubles with the nvidia drivers?
[01:11] <Ribs> http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?node=getarticle&u=content%2Finterviews%2FATIChats%2F&p=4
[01:11] <Ribs> there you, geppy
[01:11] <geppy> Thanks.
[01:12] <Ribs> That was done about a month ago
[01:12] <socomm> geppy: Other then my TTY being unusable, and having the drivers only work once my system is warm, no.
[01:12] <socomm> s/them/them fuck
[01:12] <Ribs> mjr: Actually, Nvidia have worked hard to make thier driver work well with all versions
[01:13] <Ribs> Obviously, it's not perfect
[01:13] <Ribs> but they have put a lot of effort into it
[01:13] <geppy> socomm:  Well, that's unfortunate.  I've never had trouble with the Nvidia drivers.
[01:14] <mjr> Ribs, yes, they have decided to support rather many versions, but the above is still true, which, among others, some linux/ppc users may curse
[01:14] <Ribs> mjr: They can't be all things to all people
[01:14] <socomm> geppy: Consider yourself fortunate. I've read other people having the same with the Frame Buffer being scrambled when nVidia loads up.
[01:14] <geppy> Linux/PPC users have little not to curse.
[01:14] <socomm> s/same/same problem
[01:14] <Ribs> mjr: To be honest, what use is Nvidia to PPC users?
[01:14] <socomm> Geez my grammar sucks.
[01:14] <Ribs> I can't think of a single game which has a Linux PPC release
[01:14] <geppy> socomm:  I do consider myself fortunate.  But, I will say that I've installed Linux on many Nvidia boxes at many a LAN, and they've never had problems, either.
[01:15] <socomm> Ribs: nVidia is packed in with Powerbooks and iBooks you know.
[01:15] <Ribs> I know that.
[01:15] <Ribs> It's in the latest iMac too
[01:15] <crimsun> Ribs: not even Savage? quake 3? rtcw? et?
[01:15] <Ribs> et has a PPC version?
[01:15] <mjr> they can't be all things to all people, yes, but they could at least be people to provide specs, maybe even (some) source
[01:16] <Ribs> mjr: I doubt that will ever happen.
[01:16] <mjr> "ever" is a long time, but not in the near future, no
[01:16] <mjr> which is kinda why I'm dissing them, you know
[01:16] <Ribs> Yes, I'd love to see open source, but I can't see it happening
[01:17] <Se7h> ./Mercury/Mercury: line 1554: /home/seth/Mercury/jre/bin/java: Permission denied
[01:17] <Se7h> o.0
[01:17] <socomm> geppy: Wish I would say the same.
[01:17] <mjr> of course, it's the sad situation that there are no good guys in the mainstream video card business at the moment
[01:18] <socomm> Se7h: Huh?
[01:18] <mjr> (hence I bought ATIs last card to have specs available and a working DRI driver, the 9250)
[01:19] <geppy> heh
[01:19] <geppy> I particularly like this bit of that ATI interview:
[01:19] <geppy> "Is there any focus on implementing AIW features under linux? "
[01:19] <socomm> I remember the i81* video chip had some nasty problems  before intel umm ....
[01:19] <geppy> "Currently there is no focus."
[01:19] <socomm> What is AIW?
[01:19] <geppy> As in, they don't focus on anything in their development??
[01:20] <geppy> I don't know, I just find the admission of the lack of focus amusing.  A bit of a Spoonerism, there.
[01:20] <Ribs> It's a Politician response
[01:20] <geppy> All of the responses are.
[01:21] <geppy> Which is why I doubt that ATI is going to do anything about the whole "ATI sucks on Linux" problem.
[01:21] <Ribs> geppy: Only time will tell.
[01:21] <Ribs> Personally, I found it quiet uplifting reading that interview
[01:22] <Ribs> Even tho I don't have a ATI, it's nice that people will finally have a resonable choice
[01:22] <Ribs> assuming everything pans out
[01:22] <socomm> Maybe once GNU/Linux gets bigger on the desktop.
[01:22] <karakth> Not likely to happen anytime soon.
[01:22] <Ribs> Why not?
[01:22] <geppy> Or once ATI goes out of business, which would be many Linux user's dream.
[01:23] <Ribs> Linux is growing every day
[01:23] <geppy> *users'
[01:23] <socomm> karakth: Yah.
[01:23] <Ribs> geppy: That would be a terrible thing to happen
[01:23] <Ribs> Nvidia would loose thier main competetor
[01:23] <socomm> geppy: lusers
[01:23] <karakth> Linux is growing very slowly every day. On the desktop, anyway.
[01:23] <geppy> hahaha
[01:23] <Ribs> without competetion, there is no innovation
[01:23] <geppy> I'm not saying that _I_ wish for it, only that many do.
[01:23] <Ribs> then they are idiots
[01:23] <mjr> ah well, ATI is probably not going to manufacture <=9250 cards for very long now, and after that, they're useless to the free world ;)
[01:24] <geppy> It's not as if ATI's products would disappear if they went out of business; they'd auction of their technology.
[01:24] <Ribs> geppy: Need I remind you of what happened to 3dfx?
[01:24] <socomm> geppy: Like 3Dfx?
[01:24] <geppy> Ribs:  Yes?  I'm not familiar.
[01:24] <Ribs> There was an auction of 3dfx technology?
[01:25] <Ribs> First I've heard of it
[01:28] <calc> Ribs: nvidia bought 3dfx and all of their stuff vanished overnight
[01:28] <Scognito> does someone has xorg and a matroxg400 ?
[01:28] <Scognito> i need xorg.conf
[01:30] <Ribs> It was a sad day
[01:30] <Ribs> I really loved 3dfx
[01:31] <jon1012> yup
[01:31] <jon1012> I loved them too :p
[01:32] <Ribs> I still have a Voodoo3 3000 PCI in one of my machines
[01:32] <Ribs> I dearly love that card
[01:32] <Ribs> I've actually seen a Voodoo5 play Doom3
[01:32] <Ribs> and Half Life 2
[01:32] <Ribs> was jaw dropping
[01:32] <socomm> E216: No such group or event: filetypedetect BufRead
[01:32] <socomm> Damn.
[01:34] <james> open Q: What are the differences in Debian unstable and Ubuntu unstable?
[01:34] <Ribs> erm
[01:34] <mirak> I got a weird thing with ubuntu
[01:34] <olorin> james ubuntu unstable is quite more instable ...
[01:34] <Ribs> Debian is Debian and Ubuntu is Ubuntu
[01:34] <mirak> I lost all mounts
[01:35] <mirak> spuntaneously
[01:35] <mirak> very weird
[01:35] <mirak> I was obliged to reboot
[01:36] <olorin> james , just an example ... gnome 2.8.1 is the last release in debian/sid. In Ubuntu it's the 2.9.1
[01:36] <olorin> james , but ubuntu is based essentialy on debian/sid package ...
[01:37] <james> Does ubuntu update gcc in unstable as fequently as Debian?
[01:37] <olorin> james , probably yes
[01:37] <olorin> james , if not you can always use the debian/sid package on ubuntu
[01:37] <james> If Debian updates a package it will go into Ubuntu soon after?
[01:38] <james> I like to have the latest GNOME and X, but don't like an unstable core.  Is Ubuntu good for me, if so is unstable Ubuntu good for me?
[01:40] <olorin> james , as i said, ubuntu hoary ( unstble ) is quite unstable ... more than debian/sid so if ou want have a look, just try it but you will probably have some problems
[01:40] <jon1012> james > lol... sometimes (like what happenned to me 2 hours ago :p) having an unstable core and a stable gnome can be really better :p
[01:40] <jon1012> because two hours ago my gnome was completely fucked up :p
[01:41] <Ribs> hrm
[01:41] <jon1012> and now to fix those problems I have a broken apt base, so I can't use apt-get :p
[01:41] <Ribs> Why not optimise for i586/i686?
[01:41] <jon1012> for old computers maybe ? :)
[01:41] <tahorg> Ribs: because it's just buzz ?
[01:41] <james> jon1012: Debian apt could always get me out of trouble, I'm sure its the same for Ubuntu.
[01:42] <jon1012> james: well... :(
[01:42] <jon1012> james: the thing is that the gnome-panel package which is actually there is broken
[01:42] <jon1012> so I can use it but it's ugly
[01:42] <jon1012> so to not use it I have to use version really strange of gnome stuffs :)
[01:42] <Ribs> tahorg: I dunno, taking advantage of better CPUs does bring advantages
[01:43] <james> jon1012: ya, I guess gnome 2.9 could really be a mess sometime.
[01:43] <jon1012> so my deb database is ugly now :p
[01:43] <Ribs> CPUs have come a long way in the past 15 years
[01:43] <Ribs> or whatever it is
[01:43] <nomasteryoda> Yeah! Got my 20 Ubuntu discs today!
[01:43] <jon1012> james: it is :p
[01:43] <nomasteryoda> wahoo!
[01:43] <Ribs> 20?!
[01:43] <nomasteryoda> nice
[01:43] <Ribs> wow
[01:43] <nomasteryoda> for our LUG
[01:43] <jon1012> nomasteryoda > i didn't have my 10 discs :(
[01:43] <jon1012> nomasteryoda > how much time did it take to have them ?
[01:43] <nomasteryoda> i must have got them... hehe
[01:43] <nomasteryoda> 1 month i think
[01:43] <jon1012> ok :)
[01:44] <farruinn> isn't there a way to check the status of your discs on shipit?
[01:44] <tahorg> Ribs: I've lost the url, but it has already been shown that the differences are not spectacular
[01:45] <socomm> Why does hoary still have vim 62 X^(
[01:45] <tahorg> Ribs: (not as much as a gentoo fanatic would believe)
[01:45] <james> Are Warty and Hoary binary compatible at this point (same gcc version)?
[01:45] <jon1012> who thinks that emacs is great? and this person could help me to find it great too ?
[01:45] <Ribs> tahorg: The Gentoo setup I had really showed up my Fedora Core install
[01:45] <Ribs> Then again, Fedora core is a bloated piece of shit ;)
[01:45] <jon1012> because I didn't find now how can someone wrk with it :|
[01:46] <Ribs> and no, I'm not a Gentoo fanatic
[01:46] <farruinn> jon1012, I could never remember all the keybindings
[01:46] <Ribs> I've actually migrated away from the distro
[01:46] <jon1012> farruin> that's why i can't use it :/
[01:46] <tahorg> Ribs: of course it's different when talking about soft writen to take advantages of special instruction set
[01:46] <jon1012> farruin> i use vim instead :/
[01:47] <tahorg> like 3dnow, mmx, sse for mplayer and al
[01:47] <farruinn> jon1012, same here, I love vim, you don't so much?
[01:47] <jon1012> farruin> i like it, but's it's a little bit messy compared to gedit I think :/
[01:47] <jon1012> no ?
[01:47] <jon1012> or maybe I didn't configure it well :/
[01:48] <farruinn> oh, I'd much rather work with vim, but that's me
[01:49] <jon1012> farruin, you configured it in a special way ?
[01:49] <olorin> bye all
[01:51] <farruinn> jon1012, not sure what you mean.  I just find the hjkl movement easy and I don't have to wait for my editor to load, etc.
[01:52] <james> Has anyone tried upgrading to Xorg from Warty?  Could it work or would it a dep nightmare?
[01:52] <jon1012> hjkl works, but the cursor keys works also, no ?
[01:53] <jon1012> it works, but if you have a laptop forget about it :)
[01:53] <jon1012> it's a shame :p
[01:54] <mattgirv> nn all
[01:54] <jon1012> faruinn, isn't it better to use the cursor keys to move than hjkl ?
[01:55] <jon1012> hi
[01:55] <kirt> Anyone elses gnome menu all messed up after dist-upgrading in hoary?
[01:56] <farruinn> jon1012, I don't see how that's better... kjhl were chosen because you don't have to move your hand
[01:56] <crimsun> kirt: "all messed up?"
[01:56] <jon1012> faruinn, well maybe :/ but i can't get used to it lol
[01:56] <kirt> crimsun: Well, it's like the gnome default again.. there's an applications menu and an Actions menu.. and all the stuff that used to be under Computer is under Applications.
[01:56] <farruinn> jon1012, true, it took me a while to get the hang of it
[01:57] <Ribs> kirt: simple soultion is not to use hoary
[01:57] <Ribs> hoary will break your system and eat your children!
[01:57] <Ribs> Your children, I say!
[01:57] <crimsun> kirt: note the latest changelog entry for gnome-menus (2.9.2-0ubuntu3)
[01:57] <crimsun> kirt: * debian/patches/*: - Merge the old capplet .desktop locations.
[01:57] <kirt> I'm well aware of breakage, I just wanted to know if it was a known problem yet.. since it just happened after i upgraded.
[01:58] <Ribs> when hoary is stable, how do we upgrade?
[01:58] <Ribs> download a CD and run that?
[01:58] <mjr> with apt-get/synaptic
[01:58] <Ribs> or will it be able to upgrade itself?
[01:58] <Ribs> oh good
[01:58] <crimsun> Ribs: change the sources.list entries, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:58] <thenuke> what does dist-upgrade do btw?
[01:58] <Ribs> updates everything
[01:58] <crimsun> Ribs: or, like mjr mentioned, modify the Synaptic entries, then update and upgrade
[01:58] <Ribs> I think
[01:59] <jon1012> kirt, I have the same problem :'(
[01:59] <kirt> crimsun: Were they planning on putting the menus back the way they were?  I liked them better that way..
[01:59] <crimsun> kirt: I have no idea what the plans are; ask them :)
[01:59] <crimsun> jon1012: it's not a problem per se; note the latest gnome-menus changelog entry as I stated earlier
[02:00] <crimsun> thenuke: dist-upgrade allows the addition/removal of packages. It's generally used to ensure smooth upgrades between major revisions, like Debian Woody->Sarge->Sid or Ubuntu Warty->Hoary
[02:00] <jon1012> crimsun: yes, yes... but to get my menus back I've hd to hack around and fuck up my deb package database :p
[02:01] <crimsun> jon1012: and if you're hacking around and mucking w/ your package db, you really shouldn't be complaining :P
[02:01] <jon1012> loool
[02:02] <GotD0t> oh joy... i
[02:02] <jon1012> I was a fedora user before :p
[02:02] <thenuke> crimsun: it's still not clear to me how it differs from apt-get upgrade
[02:02] <jon1012> but ubuntu is really great :)
[02:02] <GotD0t> i've lost my ability to right click on the desktop
[02:02] <jon1012> gotdot > nautilus is running ?
[02:03] <GotD0t> how do i check jon1012
[02:03] <jon1012> gotdot > open a console and type "killall nautilus" and telle me what it says :)
[02:03] <jon1012> lol
[02:03] <tahorg> GotD0t: ps aux | grep -i nautilus
[02:03] <jon1012> (the simplicity of an elephant :p)
[02:03] <GotD0t> didn't say anything... just removed all the crap on my desktop
[02:04] <jon1012> ok
[02:04] <tahorg> jon1012: he did it
[02:04] <jon1012> normally it should come back after a few secondes
[02:04] <jon1012> seconds
[02:04] <tahorg> jon1012: you're unfriendly
[02:04] <socomm> GotD0t: If you see crap on your desktop, there's a high chance that you have nautilus  running.
[02:04] <crimsun> thenuke: simple 'upgrade' does not add/remove
[02:04] <crimsun> thenuke: whereas 'dist-upgrade' does
[02:04] <jon1012> tahorg: why ? sometimes it helps
[02:04] <thenuke> crimsun: ok. thanks for the info :)
[02:04] <tahorg> :)
[02:05] <jon1012> tahorg: and gnome-session launches nautilus back
[02:05] <jon1012> tahorg: killing nautilus often repairs memory problems on some systems ^^
[02:05] <tahorg> yes I know, I was just kidding
[02:05] <jon1012> (as I said, the simplicity of the elephant :p)
[02:05] <jon1012> lol :p
[02:05] <socomm> You can always disable nautilus via gconf
[02:06] <socomm> gconf-editor
[02:06] <jon1012> socomm: he doesn't want to remove nautilus ! lol
[02:06] <kirt> .. but then you won't have desktop icons at all.
[02:06] <jon1012> socomm: he want to be able to right click on the desktop
[02:06] <GotD0t> how do i get nautilus back?
[02:06] <socomm> kirt: You can always use iDesk or some other icon app.
[02:07] <jon1012> gotdot > applications > run an application and then type "nautilus"
[02:07] <jon1012> and enter :p
[02:07] <socomm> GotD0t: It will respawn automagiclly
[02:07] <kirt> GotD0t: If it's not coming back, probably best to log out/log back in.. Or run nautilus from a prompt.
[02:07] <GotD0t> shit
[02:07] <GotD0t> "gnome-panel crashed"
[02:07] <jon1012> :|
[02:07] <GotD0t> when i type nautilus in a term it just hangs
[02:08] <jon1012> wow your gnome is a little bit broken no ? have you tried rebooting or going in telinit 1 and back in 5 ?
[02:08] <kirt> GotD0t: No biggy, it happens.  If all else fails ctrl-alt-backspace will kill X and bring up a login again.
[02:08] <GotD0t> well it was less broken up until the point you told me to kill nautilus
[02:08] <GotD0t> :-P
[02:08] <jon1012> :(
[02:09] <jon1012> he is right, ctrl-alt-backspace can help
[02:09] <jon1012> arrrr
[02:09] <jon1012> he did it lol
[02:10] <jon1012> (you are acting more like an elephant than me hey :p)
[02:10] <jon1012> is someone using a gtk2 svg theme ?
[02:10] <RuffianSoldier> i did
[02:11] <jon1012> sis you got a good performance ? (i'm seekng a good way to make my theme lol)
[02:11] <jon1012> did
[02:11] <jon1012> (on my laptop ana is runing really good)
[02:12] <RuffianSoldier> :-)
[02:13] <jon1012> so you got good performance using a gtk2 svg theme ?
[02:14] <jon1012> (i've seen ana, and I want to use librsvg the same way for my theme, but first I have to see if it works well on other computers lol :p)
[02:14] <RuffianSoldier> kinda
[02:14] <jon1012> ok :)
[02:14] <RuffianSoldier> cant tell with my fast machine
[02:14] <jon1012> ok lol
[02:19] <GotD0t> hmm
[02:19] <GotD0t> well it seems as if i have some borked packages
[02:19] <GotD0t> namely gnome-menus
[02:19] <kirt> If you're menus look different, that's normal..
[02:19] <kirt> .. or so i hear.
[02:20] <GotD0t> my menus don't exist ;-)
[02:20] <GotD0t> tells me trying to overwrite /etc/xdg/menuys/applications.menu which is also in package kdelibs-data
[02:20] <socomm> GotD0t: ...
[02:20] <GotD0t> when i try to install gnome-menus
[02:20] <kirt> Ah.  Sounds like gnome-panel isn't coming up?  Is this hoary or warty btw?
[02:20] <GotD0t> hoary
[02:21] <kirt> Probably some problem with upgrading to a newer version of gnome-panel.. Done a dist-upgrade recently?  If not, another one may very well fix your problem.
[02:22] <jon1012> gotdot > i had the same problem :)
[02:23] <jon1012> and everybody will have the same problem in... let's say... les than 2 days if the people at the ubuntu packaging don't fix this :p
[02:23] <GotD0t> so just uninstall kdelibs for now? because i kind of need my panels back
[02:23] <jon1012> looool
[02:23] <socomm> GotD0t: `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'
[02:24] <socomm> GotD0t: Don't add anything.
[02:24] <jon1012> socomm> won't help I think lol
[02:24] <GotD0t> no it doesnt
[02:24] <GotD0t> says gnome-panel has unmet dependencies
[02:24] <socomm> Meh forget it.
[02:24] <jon1012> yes, yes... I had the same problem :)
[02:25] <GotD0t> no i can't forget it... because my fricken menus are missing
[02:25] <socomm> GotD0t: I can, since I don't use GNOME.
[02:26] <efaistos> hi
[02:26] <jon1012> gotdot > uninstall all that kde shit :p
[02:26] <GotD0t> i want k3b
[02:26] <efaistos> i have a little problem ... i'm in warty and gdm can't start !
[02:26] <MobyTurbo> socomm, if you don't mind me asking, why are you running ubuntu, rather than vanilla Debian, if you don't use GNOME?
[02:27] <jon1012> efaistos > upgrade gdm
[02:27] <efaistos> jon1012: to hoary ?
[02:27] <efaistos> but i want to stay in warty ...
[02:27] <jon1012> efaistos, no
[02:27] <jon1012> efaistos, stay in warty
[02:28] <efaistos> gdm is already the newest
[02:28] <jon1012> efaistos, but upgrade gtk2, gdm, etc... to the latest patches
[02:28] <jon1012> efaistos, sometimes it help
[02:28] <jon1012> efaistos, ok :/
[02:28] <efaistos> jon1012: all my pkgs are updated
[02:28] <socomm> MobyTurbo: Because I can.
[02:28] <GotD0t> ok i fixed the package... how do i get my menus back?
[02:29] <efaistos> but apparently it starts two X one on the seventh console and it tries to do the same on the eight ...
[02:29] <efaistos> nobody got this message ?
[02:29] <GotD0t> ok i fixed the package... how do i get my menus back?
[02:29] <jon1012> efaistos, i had this problem on hoary some time ago
[02:29] <socomm> MobyTurbo: Plus I got too much data on this partition to nuke the whole thing and start from scratch.
[02:29] <efaistos> i dunno what to do ? i thought it was the fglrx driver and get back to the ati one but it doesnt help more ...
[02:29] <jon1012> GotD0t, hmmm...
[02:30] <efaistos> jon1012: and what did you do ?
[02:30] <jon1012> GotD0t, restart gnome-panel ?
[02:30] <jon1012> efaistos, upgraded gdm, gtk, etc... lol
[02:30] <socomm> GotD0t: I could solve this problem in like less then three minutes.
[02:30] <efaistos> is hoary quite stable ?
[02:30] <socomm> efaistos: No.
[02:30] <GotD0t> well you can go screw yourself socomm
[02:30] <jon1012> efaistos, try just reinstalling gdm on warty
[02:31] <crimsun> efaistos: it's usable, but it's certainly in development
[02:31] <jon1012> efaistos, no it's not stable at all
[02:31] <efaistos> ok i'll try to reinstall it
[02:31] <jon1012> efaistos, especially today lol
[02:31] <kirt> efaistos: It's probably going to get more unstable as time goes on, they've really just started heavy development recently.
[02:31] <efaistos> to see
[02:31] <efaistos> ok
[02:31] <socomm> efaistos: Just stick to warty unless you want to be on the bleeding edge.
[02:33] <efaistos> arghh ... i'm really going nuts with this ubuntu !!!
[02:33] <efaistos> X cant be started again ...
[02:34] <efaistos> it's annoying
[02:34] <crimsun> efaistos: back up.
[02:34] <socomm> ATi ....
[02:34] <crimsun> efaistos: first:
[02:34] <MobyTurbo> efaistos, control-alt-backspace (make sure all apps are closed before you do it)
[02:35] <crimsun> efaistos: dpkg -l gdm|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'
[02:35] <crimsun> argh, I keep neglecting the long version stings
[02:35] <GotD0t> bah... i cant get my panels back
[02:35] <crimsun> strings.  efaistos, that should be COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l gdm|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'
[02:35] <socomm> GotD0t: What's the error you get?
[02:36] <GotD0t> socomm: i don't get any errors
[02:36] <socomm> GotD0t: Open a terminal and run gnome-panel from there, you'll get some output there.
[02:36] <GotD0t> socomm: command not found
[02:36] <efaistos> crimsun: 2.6.0.3-1ubun
[02:37] <crimsun> efaistos: no, use the second version, the one prefaced with COLUMNS=200
[02:37] <GotD0t> here we go
[02:38] <socomm> GotD0t: Ummm maybe it's not installed.
[02:38] <efaistos> crimsun: 2.6.0.3-1ubuntu20
[02:38] <Pugio> testing testing
[02:38] <Pugio> hmmm, ChatZilla is weird
[02:38] <socomm> GotD0t: `apt-get install gnome-panel'
[02:38] <efaistos> crimsun: any idea ?
[02:38] <Pugio> well, anyway, is anyone here familiar with netboot installs?
[02:39] <socomm> GotD0t: Once it's re/installed issue the command again.
[02:39] <crimsun> efaistos: paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log on a pastebin web site, please
[02:39] <socomm> GotD0t: If you ran `apt-get dist-upgrade', chances are that it got uninstalled in that procedure.
[02:40] <efaistos> crimsun: i have a ww about /dev/apm_bios
[02:40] <crimsun> efaistos: negligible.
[02:40] <efaistos> no such file or directory
[02:41] <Pugio> Does anyone know how to perform a netboot install from one local machine to another?
[02:42] <efaistos> crimsun: dont understand
[02:43] <crimsun> efaistos: use a pastebin web site to paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[02:43] <usual> hi jdub_
[02:43] <efaistos>  crimsun lynx is not my speciality
[02:43] <pdaoust> quick question about 'cp' that I can't find in its manpage: does anybody know if 'cp -R' copies dotfiles as well?
[02:43] <jay> is beagle included in Hoary?
[02:43] <jdub_> morning
[02:43] <pdaoust> jay: it doesn't appear in the hoary repository
[02:44] <pdaoust> jay: I think there's an installation howto in the Ubuntu Wiki
[02:44] <jay> ok
[02:44] <kirt> pdaoust: No reason why it wouldn't.  dot files are only special to ls.
[02:44] <pdaoust> kirt: oooooo
[02:44] <pdaoust> thanks
[02:44] <pdaoust> :)
[02:44] <pdaoust> bye folks!
[02:45] <hui> i`m installing Ubuntu from an Gentoo LiveCD.... debootstrap geos ok, now i chrooted environment, installed kernel.. installed grub, but "apt-get install grub" doesn`t created /boot/grub
[02:45] <jay> i upgraded to hoary but what exactly is new here?
[02:45] <hui> i don`t have a /boot partition
[02:45] <jay> besides being a lot faster
[02:45] <Kosai> hui: Should it do?  apt-get install grub installs it, rather than running it.
[02:46] <hui> Kosai: here apt-get doenst maked that
[02:47] <hui> updatedb ; locate menu.lst just lists the examples for menu.lst
[02:49] <hui> Kosai: could u post the output from ur "ls /boot/grub", pls?
[02:49] <Pugio> jay: is Hoary really that much faster?
[02:49] <YokoZar> I need a 50x50 or larger image of the Ubuntu logo for this page: http://www.winehq.org/site/download  - where can I find one?
[02:51] <james> YokoZar: http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/images/ubuntu.jpg
[02:51] <YokoZar> james: Hmm, I suppose I can crop that down.  I was hoping for some omni logo I guess
[02:53] <YokoZar> I think this one's a better base: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/imagize/misc/top_left_logo1.png
[02:55] <restrex> ea
[02:55] <restrex> fabitop
[02:55] <restrex> jejeje ;)
[02:55] <fabian> :)
[02:56] <hui> i`m installing Ubuntu from an Gentoo LiveCD.... debootstrap geos ok, now i chrooted environment, installed kernel.. installed grub, but "apt-get install grub" doesn`t created /boot/grub
[02:56] <hui> i don`t have a /boot partition
[02:57] <hui> followed the steps from: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromOtherDistroHowto
[02:57] <fabian> grub-install should do that
[02:58] <s0cks> ogra
[02:58] <s0cks> missing... :-\
[02:58] <hui> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[02:58] <hui> output from grub-install /dev/hda
[03:00] <hui> fabian: any other ideas?
[03:00] <usual> how would i fsck reiserfs
[03:01] <hui> usual: fsck.reiserfs ?
[03:01] <scoon> usual, the same way you would any other fs
[03:01] <usual> k
[03:01] <scoon> fsck will do what it is supposed to
[03:02] <GotD0t> how do i mount a usb hard disk?
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> GotD0t: plug it in
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> it should be automounted
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> if not
[03:02] <GotD0t> its not
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> you can mount it with pmount /dev/sda1
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> (most likely)
[03:03] <hui> GotD0t: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb/
[03:03] <GotD0t> bah... doesn't exist
[03:04] <fabian> hui, and you in fact have a /boot directory?. Maybe create a /boot/grub/ directory and there a file named device.map whit something like "(hd0) /dev/hda" inside and rerun grub-install
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> hui: you have to be root
[03:04] <fabian> s/whit/with
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> pmount is for mounting removable devices when you are not root
[03:04] <hui> HrdwrBoB: yeah, i`m root
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> hui: yes but you should not be
[03:05] <zenwhen> is it possible to go back to an old version of an app in synaptic?
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> it's not necessary
[03:05] <hui> HrdwrBoB: i`m at livecd, just root account in it
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> yes, however the whole point of the design is that you don't need to use root
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> in ubuntu
[03:06] <hui> fabian: i have a /boot directory, with kernel on it. grub-install crerates the /boot/grub dir, creates just device.map and stops
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> which, last time I checked, was the channel I'm in
[03:06] <Gwildor> how bad is it for me to install the xfce4.2 rc , from a .deb, or something, not from repo
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> Gwildor: it's effectively the same thing
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> just easier to install from a repository
[03:06] <hui> fabian: device.map created by grub-install have (hd0) devhda
[03:06] <Gwildor> how would updates be handled?
[03:07] <Gwildor> mannualy, or will repo take over when it catches up
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> in the same way
[03:07] <Gwildor> kk, thnx
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> when updating from a repository, it looks at what you have installed and what is available
[03:09] <zenwhen> is it possible to go back to an old version of an app in synaptic?
[03:09] <zenwhen> or in apt?
[03:09] <HrdwrBoB> no
[03:09] <zenwhen> So I basically have to format to get mono working now.
[03:10] <zenwhen> Thats nice.
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: well
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> is the older version in the repository
[03:10] <Gwildor> HrdwrBoB, i want to follow these instructions, is it a good idea, or a bad idea?       http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> and the newer one installed?
[03:10] <zenwhen> the newer one is installed
[03:10] <zenwhen> yes
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> you can use dpkg to remove the package
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> and then apt-get the new one
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> pr you can apt-get remove it
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> then install it
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> Gwildor: that should be fine
[03:11] <scoon> Gwildor, i just used the installer and installed xfce4 locally.
[03:11] <Gwildor> scoon, is that easier, im kinda a noob?
[03:12] <scoon> well, you don't need sudo to install it.
[03:12] <hui> fabian: the defaults files from grub isnt created with apt-get ?
[03:12] <scoon> Gwildor, if you don't like it, you can just throw the folder away, without worrying about a system-wide change.
[03:12] <Gwildor> scoon, just follow the howto, exactly?
[03:13] <scoon> the only thing is that you need to create a .xsession
[03:13] <fabian> hui, it should be created by the post install process, but from a livecd and other distro ... sorry, i'm out of quick ideas
[03:13] <Gwildor> hummm, ill just do the first way
[03:13] <scoon> Gwildor,  http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=42
[03:13] <hui> fabian: i`m chrooted on newly installed Ubuntu
[03:14] <hui> fabian: chroot should work identical as i booted from the chrooted distro
[03:14] <Gwildor> scoon, thnx, but ill just use apt- to get it
[03:15] <Gwildor> HrdwrBoB, should i remove the repos, after i install xfce4.2, or just uncomment them, and update using those?
[03:15] <carthik> Gwildor, /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[03:15] <Gwildor> thnx :)
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> Gwildor: you can do whatever you like :)
[03:16] <Gwildor> HrdwrBoB, kk, i hope i make the right choice.....wish me luck
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> good luck :
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> :(
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> er :)
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> I cannot type today
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> I need lunch
[03:16] <Gwildor> oh man.....
[03:21] <Se7h> i forgot
[03:21] <Se7h> how do i select the sound deamon to use ?
[03:23] <chet> howdy, i am looking for xfree config file to edit mouse, i did "locate xfree" but there are oodles
[03:23] <chet> any tips?
[03:24] <Gwildor> xfree86.conf.......maybe
[03:24] <|QuaD-> ok... so i need a script (in php or perl) that can load a website
[03:24] <|QuaD-> any suggestions?
[03:24] <Gwildor> xfree86-4 something
[03:24] <kirt> chet: it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf iirc.
[03:24] <chet> net@ulappy:~ $ locate xfree86.conf
[03:24] <chet> /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xfree86.config
[03:24] <chet> /usr/share/xresprobe/xfree86.conf
[03:25] <chet> is it xorg, or xfree
[03:25] <kirt> oops.. unless you're using warty.
[03:25] <newbienetwork> I am getting a problem after installation, basically, grub sits there, saying "grub loading, please wait"...I wait, nothing happens.  Anyways, a quick search, and I see other people with a similiar problem, AMD64 with a K8V mobo...anyways, I am looking for a solution, and haven't found one yet.
[03:25] <newbienetwork> Anyone have any suggestions?
[03:25] <chet> yeah, im ewarty :)
[03:25] <kirt> chet: Then it's usually /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:26] <chet> so look for xfree-4?
[03:26] <kirt> chet: Er, no.  I believe there's a mouse section in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:27] <GotD0t> anybody have experience getting a Dell DJ to work in linux?
[03:27] <kirt> What are you trying to do, exactly?
[03:27] <Gwildor>  /etx/x11/xf86config-4 is what you want
[03:27] <chet> thats it i think, i need to edit the mouse button #, then xmodmap
[03:27] <chet> i have this funky trackball is lots of buttons
[03:27] <Gwildor> haha
[03:28] <Gwildor> miss my trackball
[03:28] <chet> my wrist thanks me everyday
[03:30] <kirt> chet: I've never had to muck with one of those so i couldn't tell you how to get it working.
[03:30] <Pugio> Netboot install of ubunut on local machines?
[03:31] <Pugio> hmmm ubunut
[03:31] <Pugio> sounds good
[03:31] <Pugio> Anyway, does anyone know how to perform a LOCAL netboot install from one machine to another?
[03:31] <zenpod> hm, I wish I knew if 1238/516 up/down from the dslreports.com speed test was good or not.
[03:31] <eruin> wooh
[03:31] <eruin> finally
[03:31] <Pugio> it's pretty good
[03:32] <eruin> dropped fedora altogether and I'm now only running ubuntu/hoary and gentoo ;)
[03:32] <Pugio> you must be in a college or some other similar organization?
[03:32] <zenpod> nah, home dsl
[03:32] <Pugio> weird
[03:32] <farruinn> how do you change the kde ui theme w/o kde actually being installed?
[03:33] <Pugio> then how come your up is faster than down?
[03:33] <HrdwrBoB> zenpod: that's pretty good
[03:33] <Pugio> did you list it backwards mayhaps?
[03:33] <Pugio> caue that's a really nice upload
[03:33] <zenpod> Pugio, down is 1238, up is 516
[03:33] <alka_trash> hey can someone help me out on this
[03:33] <zenpod> HrdwrBoB, ok cool
[03:33] <eruin> zenpod: that's pretty lousy
[03:34] <alka_trash> when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it doesn't let me change the monitor settings, any ideas?
[03:34] <Pugio> ah ok
[03:34] <alka_trash> I just bought a LCD and need to make a  few adjustments
[03:34] <chet> kirt, i think i have to change z axis garbage, then xmodmap for the correct buttons, took some time but it worked in mepis, i expect the same here
[03:34] <Pugio> that makes more sense
[03:34] <zenpod> Pugio, :)
[03:34] <Pugio> yes?
[03:34] <Pugio> :)
[03:35] <Pugio> reason I asked before is because a lot of college type places have faster UP than down
[03:35] <Pugio> hmmm
[03:35] <Pugio> let me test something
[03:35] <Pugio> can someone say my name?
[03:35] <thenuke> Pugio:
[03:36] <Pugio> cool
[03:36] <Pugio> so this client does have name recognition
[03:36] <Pugio> that's nice to know
[03:36] <thenuke> hilight is a must have
[03:37] <Pugio> well, it doesn't hilight, it just posts the message to the status window
[03:37] <zenpod> Pugio, at work, I have that issue.  Faster u/l than d/l
[03:38] <Pugio> it's not exactly an "issue" but it does make sense in a way
[03:39] <Pugio> Business and the like frequently have webservers and other databases that need to be uploaded
[03:40] <alka_trash> damn I still can't get it working
[03:43] <GotD0t> i cant get ubuntu to see my Dell DJ...
[03:49] <SuperQ> ok.. so this is a wierd one
[03:49] <SuperQ> my install on a TP T21 has 2 mouse cursors
[03:50] <SuperQ> whoa.. now it went away
[03:50] <zenpod> GotD0t, what is a dell dj?
[03:50] <SuperQ> that was just wierd
[03:50] <GotD0t> zenpod: its a mp3 player... hard drive based
[03:51] <zenpod> GotD0t, what fs?
[03:51] <GotD0t> zenpod: njb or something like that... the one the creative nomad uses
[03:51] <zenpod> GotD0t, that's the file system it uses..?
[03:51] <GotD0t> zenpod: one sec... lemme check
[03:52] <farruinn> how would one go about creating their own repository (for personal use)?
[03:53] <newbienetwork> Can anyone provide any assistance for installing Ubuntu on an AMD64 system?
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> nmy http://www.tuxmagazine.com/
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> nmy Marcel Gagne is over on TheLinux Show right now
[03:53] <farruinn> I'd find it a lot easier to just apt-get install package than dpkg -i filename.deb everything I have to compile
[03:53] <eruin> hum
[03:53] <zenpod> newbienetwork, dl the AMD64 iso, burn to CD, insert in drive. :)
[03:53] <eruin> irssi is pretty damn sweet stuff
[03:53] <GotD0t> zenpod: yea... NJB
[03:53] <newbienetwork> zenpod, Actually...there's more...
[03:53] <zenpod> GotD0t, well, unless your kernel supports that as a filesystem (and I've never heard of it), you won't be able to access it.
[03:53] <newbienetwork> From before: I am getting a problem after installation, basically, grub sits there, saying "grub loading, please wait"...I wait, nothing happens.  Anyways, a quick search, and I see other people with a similiar problem, AMD64 with a K8V mobo...anyways, I am looking for a solution, and haven't found one yet.
[03:54] <zenpod> newbienetwork, last time someone had that problem, they were using the i386 iso, ymmv.
[03:55] <newbienetwork> Nope, it's the AMD64 version.  I made sure of that.
[03:55] <GotD0t> zenpod: theres an app called gnomad2 which has support for all mp3 players which use the OS... but whenever i open gnomad2 it tells me it cant find the device
[03:55] <zenpod> newbienetwork, okies :)
[03:55] <zenpod> GotD0t, is it usb? and connected to /dev/sdbX ?
[03:55] <GotD0t> zenpod: it is usb... but thats what im saying... its not showing as being connected
[03:55] <newbienetwork> I've found a couple things online on the ubuntu forum site, but not much.  Was hoping someone had a solid solution.
[03:56] <zenpod> GotD0t, hmmmmmmmmm.
[03:56] <zenpod> GotD0t, not mounted, or not connected? ls /dev/sdb* and let me know if there's output
[03:56] <GotD0t> zenpod: no such file or dir
[03:57] <zenpod> GotD0t, ls /dev/sd*
[03:57] <GotD0t> zenpod: sda... but thats my flash card reader
[03:57] <zenpod> ok
[03:57] <GotD0t> zenpod: i've tried makedev but it doesn't change anything
[03:58] <zenpod> GotD0t, that is incredibly odd.  Is there a kernel module or something you may need to load for gnomad?
[03:58] <eruin_> yay
[03:59] <eruin> eruin_
[03:59] <zenpod> eruin, you have to have donated to freenode for a .user, right?
[03:59] <GotD0t> zenpod: no... from what i understand it doesn't use a kernel module because its technically not a file system, its a database so its a userspace lib, which i have installed
[04:00] <zenpod> GotD0t, hm, okay, but how the heck would it get mounted as a device?  It must not be, since you'd have to have an FS to use mount.
[04:00] <GotD0t> zenpod: it doesn't get mounted
[04:00] <zenpod> well ok.
[04:00] <zenpod> lol
[04:00] <GotD0t> zenpod: you access it through gnomad2
[04:01] <GotD0t> zenpod: and when i try to run gnomad2 it tells me it cannot find any jukeboxes on my usb bus
[04:01] <zenpod> GotD0t, is it known to work with the dell dj?
[04:01] <GotD0t> zenpod: yea
[04:02] <zenpod> GotD0t, http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dce_djmusic&message.id=3170
[04:03] <zenpod> looks like you need to build the lib yourself?
[04:03] <GotD0t> zenpod: i've done all that
[04:03] <zenpod> oh., :/
[04:03] <GotD0t> it might be something wrong with my USB system in general... as my pda stopped connecting after a upgrade in hoary
[04:04] <GotD0t> because of a lack of entry in /dev
[04:04] <zenpod> GotD0t, I found a post saying it only works as root?
[04:04] <GotD0t> hmm
[04:04] <GotD0t> ill try that
[04:04] <GotD0t> zenpod: darn
[04:05] <GotD0t> zenpod: didnt work
[04:06] <Mystilleef> hile, does anyone know where I can get the Ubuntu desktop sound package?
[04:06] <zenpod> GotD0t, sucks :(
[04:06] <Mystilleef> s/hile/Hi
[04:10] <pdaous1> hey, guys, I know you probably don't know who on earth I am, and you probably don't care about my joy, but I just saved myself $1000 and I want to share my happiness ^_^
[04:10] <Quest-Master> Yay for pdaous1 :)
[04:10] <scoon> pdaous1, was she cute ?
[04:10] <pdaous1> heh heh :)
[04:10] <pdaous1> scoon: nah, not that kind :D
[04:10] <scoon> doh
[04:10] <scoon> that sux
[04:11] <pdaous1> A bad power supply toasted my hard drive a few weeks ago, when I was trying to cram on a website contract, and I lost the whole thing
[04:11] <scoon> pdaous1, to much porn, smoked out your ps
[04:11] <pdaous1> I pulled off the controller card, and a few of the chips were all crispy and melted
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> RAID is your friend :)
[04:12] <pdaous1> HrdwrBoB: I bought a DVD burner (not enough $ for a second HD), and ironically, the PSU toasted the burner too :-(
[04:12] <ironwolf> lev? you around?
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> ouch
[04:12] <pdaous1> but anyway, I bought the same HD off eBay for $30 (shipping included), swapped out the controller card, and -- lo and behold! -- I am now copying all my files onto my new 80-gigger.
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> ah yep :)
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> done that
[04:13] <pdaous1> I'm going to use the old HD for a media jukebox -- rip all the family's CDs; I figger 30 GB will hold about 450 minutes of music at 160kb/s
[04:13] <pdaous1> HrdwrBoB: you mean the controller swap thingy?
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[04:13] <pdaous1> did it work for you?
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[04:14] <pdaous1> rockin'. I'd heard mixed results from reading around, but apparently sometimes it works
[04:14] <pdaous1> my IBM DeathStar, on the other hand... that will never live.
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> hehehe
[04:15] <pdaous1> It's a bittersweet loss -- years of e-mails and photos, but Windows XP was also on that drive, and the loss completed my adoption of Linux as my primary OS!
[04:15] <pdaous1> anyway, I just wanted to share my happiness. Bye, folks!
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> hehe
[04:15] <scoon> pdaous1, well the loss of XP definately makes up for all the other stuff you never looked at anyway.
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> that's ok, thanks for popping in
[04:16] <pdaous1> scoon: heh heh
[04:16] <pdaous1> adios
[04:17] <foursti> when is the gnome panel going to be reworked back into its form?
[04:20] <Quest-Master> Where is FMod installed on Ubuntu?
[04:20] <eruin_> foursti: check the ubuntu-devel list
[04:21] <eruin_> foursti: basically what ubuntu used as a backend to their menu was dropped off gnome
[04:21] <scoon> Gwildor, coming in from xfce ?
[04:21] <eruin_> foursti: so they're reverting to the default gnome menu setup until a) the default menu setup grows sane, or b) ubuntu can rewrite their menus to accommodate the changes in gnome upstream
[04:22] <Gwildor> yeah.....but with problems :(
[04:22] <Gwildor> ill take it to #xfce
[04:22] <farruinn> gnome+xfwm4 is great
[04:23] <eruin_> if you like compositing anyway
[04:23] <eruin_> metacity has grown lame
[04:23] <eruin_> ;(
[04:23] <Quest-Master> Is XFCE great?
[04:23] <farruinn> big?
[04:23] <eruin_> xfwm is great, xfce is a bit too minimal for my taste
[04:23] <scoon> Quest-Master, it is all right.
[04:23] <defendguin> has anyone here used autopsy before?
[04:24] <eruin_> and xfce's file manager is _horrible_
[04:24] <farruinn> eruin_, yeah, that was my beef with it
[04:24] <scoon> eruin_, yes, that is def true.
[04:24] <farruinn> oh well, you can use nautilus in it
[04:24] <Quest-Master> What's the difference between the two?
[04:24] <eruin_> I used xfce as my default on fedora
[04:24] <eruin_> xfwm is xfce's window manager
[04:24] <Quest-Master> Oh.
[04:24] <eruin_> xfce is (by me anyway) considered gnome-light
[04:25] <eruin_> sort of like fluxbox meets gnome :P
[04:25] <billytwowilly> I need to remove kdelibs-data in order to fix a broken depency. How would I do this without removing the stuff kdelibs-data is depended on?
[04:25] <Quest-Master> Aww.. FMOD isn't in the Ubuntu repository
[04:25] <scoon> eruin_, but gnome isn't all that heavy tho
[04:25] <billytwowilly> the other stuff will be removed later.
[04:25] <Quest-Master> Gnome's light compared to KDE. :P
[04:25] <eruin_> scoon: not on a modern computer, no
[04:25] <eruin_> on a modern computer I'd even consider it extremely lightweight
[04:25] <scoon> eruin_, i guess.
[04:26] <scoon> eruin_, i ran gnome on an old amd k7 700 or 725
[04:26] <scoon> or k6, sorry
[04:26] <eruin_> k6-II probably
[04:26] <scoon> yea
[04:26] <Quest-Master> Nautilus needs tabs. :o!!!
[04:26] <farruinn> billytwowilly, if you remove a package, packages that depend on it *cannot* be installed
[04:26] <eruin_> or III
[04:26] <scoon> the old atari cartridge type
[04:26] <eruin_> whoa
[04:27] <billytwowilly> farruinn, no, I need to remove this one kde package so I can fix a broken gnome package.
[04:27] <scoon> b4 that i was on an old -II 400
[04:27] <eruin_> now if I could only get Point2Play to install this battlefield vietnam patch! :P
[04:27] <billytwowilly> what is the dpkg command to remove a package irrespective of the stuff it depends on?
[04:27] <eruin_> scoon: oh ye olde gnome1.x days
[04:27] <eruin_> gtk1.x is butt-ugly ;)
[04:27] <scoon> oh yes.
[04:27] <scoon> but i use it w/ gnucash
[04:27] <eruin_> you poor thing :P
[04:27] <eruin_> I use it for point2play, and it hurts my eyes
[04:28] <scoon> eruin_, what else is there to use.
[04:28] <billytwowilly> farruinn, could you please tell me the command? There are multiple things wrong here and to fix it I have to first remove kdelib-data
[04:28] <eruin_> scoon: nothing; I guess
[04:28] <eruin> bleh
[04:28] <eruin> I can't decide whether to use irssi or xchat
[04:28] <farruinn> billytwowilly, I don't know the command
[04:29] <farruinn> try searching the dpkg man page for force
[04:29] <farruinn> that's what I would do
[04:29] <Xenguy> eruin: what do you like - GUI or console ?
[04:29] <eruin_> gui
[04:29] <eruin_> but irssi is just so adorable
[04:29] <farruinn> eruin_, gui irssi?  what are you using?
[04:29] <billytwowilly> farruinn, darn, because I need to remove it to fix the gnome-panel dependcy, but I can't use apt to remove kdelibs-data without killing gnome panel..
[04:29] <Xenguy> eruin: use xchat
[04:29] <eruin_> irssi dropped gui long ago ;)
[04:30] <Xenguy> eruin: er, for the better GUI (I use irssi, very zen once you learn how :-)
[04:30] <eruin_> well, imho xchat's gui sucks monkey balls
[04:30] <farruinn> ok, I didn't think there was a gui irssi
[04:30] <Xenguy> eruin: then use irssi - sheesh
[04:30] <eruin_> xchat-gnome is an improvement but unsupported in ubuntu
[04:30] <TomT64> hmm I can't seem to add any launchers to my menus
[04:31] <Xenguy> decisions decisions ;-)
[04:31] <eruin_> ye ;)
[04:31] <TomT64> nautilus applications:///Internet  and   sudo nautilus applications:///Internet   and I say, create launcher, fill in the info, and press OK.  And there's no launcher
[04:33] <TomT64> so um what do I do
[04:33] <eruin_> why oh why does cedega have to be so retarded
[04:33] <farruinn> TomT64, I've seen that before too
[04:34] <farruinn> try loggin out then back in
[04:34] <dsr> TomT64: just log out and log back in
[04:34] <eruin_> TomT64: err, why not just open your menu from gnome-panel, goto internet, rightclick any of the launchers there and select "add new launcher" ?
[04:34] <dsr> TomT64: its a known bug
[04:34] <TomT64> ok well I'll wait then
[04:34] <eruin_> eek, nm me
[04:34] <TomT64> heh
[04:35] <dsr> I had the same problem and googling a bit got me this link http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=44650
[04:36] <newbienetwork> woohoo!
[04:36] <eruin_> lol
[04:37] <eruin_> yay, killing a shitload of processes finally got point2play to start my vietnam patch :D
[04:37] <TomT64> oh when I log back in will it be there, or will I have to make it again
[04:38] <eruin_> I hear "usererror" being shouted in my head as I silently cancel my post on transgaming.org :P
[04:38] <eruin_> TomT64: if everything works like it should - it'll be there :P
[04:38] <michealbolton> can someone please help me get powernowd to work?
[04:39] <michealbolton> When I try to start powernowd I get the error messages "Error writing file governor: Invalid argument" and "Couldn't get per-cpu data: Illegal seek"
[04:41] <verden01> Hi what program do i use to get pics from my digital camera?
[04:43] <billytwowilly> farruinn, in case you're interested, it's dpkg -r --force-all package name
[04:43] <moquist_> how can I see what files a certain package installed?
[04:43] <jdub> moquist_: dpkg -L <package-name>
[04:43] <TomT64> Use Synaptic
[04:43] <gpierce> hello
[04:44] <moquist_> jdub, TomT64: thx.  I'm a terminal weenie, so I'm reading the dpkg man page now...
[04:44] <jdub> moquist_: that might not actually be amazingly helpful ;)
[04:44] <farruinn> moquist_, heheh, leisure reading?
[04:44] <TomT64> well Synaptic is a GUI app that shows your packages and available packages, and so on
[04:45] <moquist_> farruinn: well, "reading" was an exaggeration, I guess.  I'm glancing over the options and reading the part about "-L".
[04:45] <farruinn> =)
[04:45] <farruinn> billytwowilly, thanks btw, that's good to know
[04:45] <verden01> so what package would i use for my digital camera?
[04:45] <moquist_> hm.  not much there.  :p
[04:45] <moquist_> verden01: just for the purpose of uploading/downloading pictures?
[04:46] <verden01> yeah to get pics offf my camera
[04:46] <verden01> onto my hard drive
[04:46] <moquist_> verden01: USB mass storage should do that.
[04:47] <moquist_> verden01: apparently your camera doesn't automatically show up as a storage device when you plug it in?
[04:47] <verden01> yeah it does but thats about it
[04:48] <verden01> i have to go to the peripherals to find it tho
[04:48] <moquist_> verden01: if it shows up as a storage device, aren't your pictures in there so you can copy them onto your computer?
[04:48] <verden01> no
[04:49] <verden01> i'll try it again
[04:49] <ironwolf> ok, vncserver... how do I get a gnome2.8 looking window under hoary the same way I did under warty?  vncserver on command line doesn't seem to give anything but a gray screen when I connect.
[04:49] <moquist_> verden01: if it shows up as a storage device, it seems odd that you couldn't get to the files...  i dunno.
[04:50] <moquist_> ironwolf: heh, I'm trying to get vncserver going as we type.  i'll let you know if I have any problems.  :)
[04:53] <Gwildor> lol...every time i launch gnome...the menues are different
[04:53] <scoon_> ?
[04:54] <Gwildor> hoary
[04:54] <Gwildor> i use xfce4
[04:54] <Gwildor> i dont use gnome too often
[04:55] <Gwildor> wow, how to launch nautalis?
[04:58] <moquist_> ironwolf: what's in your ~/.vnc/xstartup file?  that's what gets started when you launch a vncserver.
[04:58] <Gwildor> how to start a file manager in hoary?
[04:58] <Gwildor> i cant find it
[04:58] <lance> hi all
[04:58] <ironwolf> moquist_: yeah, found that... gnome-session & I think is what I need.
[04:59] <ironwolf> lance: welcome
[04:59] <stuNNed_> hi ironwolf
[04:59] <jdub> Gwildor: run application...; type 'nautilus' into the box
[04:59] <stuNNed_> ironwolf, thanks
[05:00] <Gwildor> doesnt start jdub
[05:00] <Gwildor> maybe i need to isntall it...huh
[05:00] <jdub> Gwildor: run it from a terminal and see what happens
[05:00] <Gwildor> nothing
[05:01] <Gwildor> nvm   it started now
[05:04] <stuNNed_> ironwolf, how goes?
[05:04] <moquist_> yay!  ion2 is working beautifully.  no more mousing.  :)
[05:07] <ironwolf> stuNNed_: working on vnc issue... it's being grumpy.
[05:07] <stuNNed_> ironwolf, vnc is it though if you can get it working, which variant are you using?
[05:07] <ironwolf> stuNNed_: realvnc... it's working everywhere except hoary.
[05:09] <moquist_> ironwolf: what problem are you seeing now?  i installed tightvnc and put gnome-session in the xstartup file, and it's working beautifully for me.
[05:10] <billytwowilly> holy carp, they changed the menus around.
[05:10] <Tsjoklat> billytwowilly?
[05:11] <billytwowilly> I just upgraded hoary (did it last yesterday) and they changed the menu around.
[05:11] <Tsjoklat> as in?
[05:12] <solarce> Alright, so I upgraded hoary today and gnome proceeded to shit all over itself and crash, and now all I get when I login through gdm or start up things with startx is a brown background and a cursor, nothing else
[05:12] <billytwowilly> stuff that was in the second drop down has been moved into the first and the second dropdown has become an actions menu
[05:12] <billytwowilly> solarce, I got that, I rebooted, problem solved
[05:12] <ironwolf> moquist_: gnome-session in xstartup testing currently. :)
[05:12] <stuNNed_> billytwowilly, yeah lol
[05:12] <Tsjoklat> any better billytwowilly?
[05:13] <solarce> billytwowilly: tried that, no such luck
[05:13] <stuNNed_> billytwowilly, sorting colors atm
[05:13] <billytwowilly> Tsjoklat, I miss the links to my directories..
[05:13] <billytwowilly> Tsjoklat, I haven't used it enough to complain or praise more than that yet.
[05:13] <jdub> billytwowilly: those are the standard gnome menus - we've reverted to those for the time being due to the new gnome menu system
[05:13] <Tsjoklat> billytwowilly no home dir and such?
[05:14] <jdub> billytwowilly: they will not stay that way
[05:14] <billytwowilly> Tsjoklat, no links to them in a drop down menu.
[05:14] <billytwowilly> jdub, ok, cool.
[05:14] <jdub> see ubuntu-devel for more info
[05:14] <solarce> could it be that libgnome-menu0 and libgnomevfs2.0 are being held pack?
[05:14] <billytwowilly> I don't really want to;) And here I thought I was witnessing something new and cool happening;)
[05:14] <Tsjoklat> new menu jdub?
[05:14] <jdub> Tsjoklat: new menu system implementation
[05:14] <jdub> billytwowilly: ubuntu-devel has the new structure proposal, which will be cool and new
[05:15] <Tsjoklat> jdub: tasty
[05:15] <billytwowilly> jdub, I look forward to our new ubuntu-devel structure overlords;)
[05:15] <billytwowilly> jdub, There will still be directory links though right?
[05:15] <Tsjoklat> I wish I could have been in Spain :{ missing out on all the goodies
[05:15] <jdub> billytwowilly: read the email...
[05:15] <billytwowilly> solarce, the update was also a bitch to apply because of conflicts with some kde packages I had installed.
[05:15] <billytwowilly> jdub, got a link?
[05:16] <jdub> billytwowilly: lists.ubuntu.com, follow the links
[05:16] <solarce> billytwowilly: heh, yeah, I just got rid of kdelibs*
[05:16] <Tsjoklat> jdub.. I had a friend removing gnome for kde but now she has issues with synaptic.. it's complaining about libglade and such
[05:16] <billytwowilly> solarce, I didn't catch it, then it half completed, leaving me with a borken gnome-menu package, so I had to use dpkg to kill all the kde stuff
[05:17] <solarce> well
[05:17] <solarce> I can't get gnome to start up, still
[05:17] <Tsjoklat> billytwowilly I don't think kde plays nice with ubu
[05:17] <solarce> has gnome-session been deprecated in favor of something?
[05:18] <billytwowilly> Tsjoklat, I know, it's a shame. KDE is slightly better than gnome.
[05:18] <Tsjoklat> billytwowilly what is it that you miss the most of kde then? (that you can't get/have in gnome?)
[05:18] <billytwowilly> kuickshow
[05:18] <billytwowilly> konqueror was nice.
[05:19] <billytwowilly> KDE used WAY less ram.
[05:19] <billytwowilly> nautilus is a pile of crap.
[05:19] <farruinn> ok, let's not go down this road
[05:19] <solarce> anyone?
[05:19] <Tsjoklat> really? I actually like nautilus better
[05:19] <billytwowilly> konqueror destroys nautilus for file browsing.
[05:19] <jdub> kde and gnome are very similar in terms of ram abuse
[05:20] <Tsjoklat> billytwowilly ah you mean when you have and kde and gnome at the same time
[05:20] <jdub> this is really not the place for flaming comments about either desktop, btw
[05:20] <Tsjoklat> jdub not flaming are we? well atleast not I
[05:20] <billytwowilly> I'm not flaming.
[05:21] <billytwowilly> I'm not even really paying that much attention;)
[05:21] <jdub> billytwowilly: 'pile of crap' is not particularly polite
[05:21] <Tsjoklat> I am just wondering how one could combine kde and gnome in ubu together
[05:21] <GotD0t> what can i burn an iso with?
[05:21] <Tsjoklat> since besides nautilus burner no other burning facilities are present (gnomebaker etc.)
[05:22] <jdub> Tsjoklat: we can't fix that for warty, but we could fix that for hoary
[05:22] <stuNNed_> hal is complaining about my modem not being registered with it or something
[05:22] <jdub> (gnomebaker, coaster, etc.)
[05:22] <jdub> GotD0t: nautilus
[05:22] <billytwowilly> jdub, sorry, I didn't have time to write that it seems slow, doesn't update in a uniform way, doesn't have a good icon setup (all icons are the same)
[05:22] <Tsjoklat> jdub I didn't expect it for warty.. just hoping things will be a tad smoother in hoary when it concerns burning
[05:22] <GotD0t> jdub really? how
[05:22] <jdub> GotD0t: right click on the iso :)
[05:22] <stuNNed_> you guys using ubuntu's new xchat colors/themes?
[05:22] <jdub> Tsjoklat: someone has to step up to the plate
[05:23] <GotD0t> jdub: k
[05:23] <solarce> blargh
[05:23] <solarce> I gets no splash screen, nothing
[05:23] <farruinn> jdub, gnomebaker, coaster, etc are only maybe's then?
[05:24] <Tsjoklat> jdub I think gnomebaker looks promising, I know I would be very happy if I could just stick with 'just' gnome
[05:24] <jdub> farruinn: they're not packaged yet, so unless that happens, they won't go in
[05:24] <solarce> any ideas what might be broken from my upgrade that I need to fix?
[05:24] <jdub> solarce: install ubuntu-desktop
[05:24] <jdub> solarce: what did you upgrade from?
[05:25] <billytwowilly> solarce, a good place to start is with the held back packages.
[05:26] <billytwowilly> you said a menu thing was held back? I bet that is the problem
[05:26] <GotD0t> jdub: you sure i can burn?
[05:26] <GotD0t> jdub: doesn't give me an option to burn
[05:26] <ironwolf> GotDot: coaster works well under hoary.
[05:26] <solarce> jdub: I've been tracking hoary since I installed ubuntu two weeks ago, I had gnome 2.9.2 working happily this afternoon, I updated and dist-upgraded, from there gnome-terminal wouldn't launch, then my panels and launch died, and all I was left with was metacity and some windows and my desktop, so I killed X and tried to go back in, now when I login from gdm or using startx from the console, all I get is a brown desktop, no splash screen or anything
[05:27] <Tsjoklat> dist-upgrading isn't always a good thing so I read
[05:27] <solarce> man
[05:28] <solarce> it seems like most of gnome install installed now
[05:28] <solarce> wth
[05:28] <Tsjoklat> solarce, I think jdub missed your typing
[05:28] <jdub_> yeah
[05:28] <jdub_> disconnected
[05:28] <solarce> jdub: I've been tracking hoary since I installed ubuntu two weeks ago, I had gnome 2.9.2 working happily this afternoon, I updated and dist-upgraded, from there gnome-terminal wouldn't launch, then my panels and launch died, and all I was left with was metacity and some windows and my desktop, so I killed X and tried to go back in, now when I login from gdm or using startx from the console, all I get is a brown desktop, no splash screen or anything
[05:28] <gen> ..
[05:28] <Quest-Master> Have any of you guys used Codeweaver's Crossover Office?
[05:29] <Tsjoklat> jdub I read that doing a dist-upgrade is not always a good thing.. that true?
[05:29] <jdub_> solarce: log out, jump to a console, check if there are any processes owned by your user running
[05:29] <solarce> dbus and gconf2
[05:29] <jdub_> Tsjoklat: yeah, it'll add and remove packages as it sees fit to resolve the upgrade
[05:29] <billytwowilly> Quest-Master, I have it on my comp right now.
[05:29] <billytwowilly> it's quite nice.
[05:30] <jdub_> Tsjoklat: often enough it's easier to just upgrade all the time and only dist-upgrade when you need to
[05:30] <jdub_> solarce: kill them
[05:30] <solarce> done
[05:30] <jdub_> solarce: then try to log in again
[05:30] <Tsjoklat> jdub I also noticed that synaptic and apt give two different solutions to things.. most of the time when something goes bork it was synaptic that did it
[05:30] <billytwowilly> Quest-Master, Did you have a specific question about crossover office or did you just want to know if someone used it?
[05:31] <solarce> jdub_: I think apt decided to remove a bunch of my gnome-* packages
[05:31] <solarce> I'm gonna go about re-installing those and see what I can come up with
[05:31] <jdub_> solarce: try installing ubuntu-desktop
[05:31] <solarce> bbl
[05:32] <solarce> depends on nautilus-cd-burner but not going to be installed
[05:32] <jdub_> but it'll show you everything it wants to install other than that, too
[05:32] <solarce> no
[05:32] <jdub_> which means you can apt-get install that lsit
[05:33] <farruinn> this is some sort of joke - right? there is a guy named Gill Bates that leads the desktop team?
[05:33] <jdub_> farruinn: no
[05:33] <Gmail> just yesterday when ever i sudo a program in gnome it ends up with wirod widjets not even my root ones
[05:33] <farruinn> wow, that's interesting :D
[05:33] <solarce> jdub_: it gives me that wonderful message about some deps having not been moved out of incoming yet
[05:33] <Tsjoklat> synaptic might be nice but I am sticking with apt.. synaptic is too freaky for me
[05:34] <solarce> !
[05:34] <solarce> I've found a circular dep error with nautilus-cd-burner
[05:35] <jdub_> solarce: it's just an unbuilt package
[05:35] <solarce> it depends on both nautilus and libnautilus2-2, but nautilus, installs libnautilus-extensions1 which won't exist with libnautilus2-2, they conflict
[05:35] <jdub_> that's not a circular depends :)
[05:35] <jdub_> that's a lack of n-c-b update
[05:36] <solarce> n c b?
[05:36] <jdub_> nautilus-cd-burner
[05:36] <solarce> k
[05:36] <Tsjoklat> oh jdub is nautilus-media going to be standard in hoary?
[05:36] <solarce> jdub_: resolutions?
[05:36] <jdub_> (it didn't build because libnautilus-extensions is new, so it hasn't been co-opted into main yet)
[05:36] <jdub_> solarce: wait
[05:36] <solarce> and live without gnome?
[05:37] <jdub_> solarce: that won't stop you from using gnome
[05:37] <solarce> but I can't get gnome installed
[05:37] <jdub_> Tsjoklat: supported and installed by default? probably not. depends on what happens with it upstream.
[05:37] <jdub_> solarce: you can install gnome without that
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> jdub_ too bad
[05:37] <solarce> jdub_: gnome depends on gnome-desktop-environment, which depends on nautilus-cd-burner
[05:38] <jdub_> Tsjoklat: given that a) totem provides almost everything nautilus-media does and b) nautilus views are gone, there really isn't much point.
[05:38] <jdub_> solarce: don't install 'gnome'
[05:38] <jdub_> solarce: install ubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <Tsjoklat> jdub_ I like the feature that you can play audio in nautilus window... you know view as list/icons/audio
[05:38] <jdub_> Tsjoklat: yeah, nautilus views no longer exist though.
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> jdub_ what is it going to be replaced with?
[05:39] <g0d> what are the minimal requirements for ubuntu? i have another box with 598 MHz and 192 mbRAM
[05:39] <g0d> is that enough?
[05:39] <jdub_> Tsjoklat: and really, everyone is better off using a music playing app
[05:39] <solarce> jdub_: http://www.solarce.org/tmp/ubuntu-desktop.txt
[05:39] <jdub_> Tsjoklat: that remains to be seen.
[05:40] <jdub_> g0d: 192MB RAM should be okay, more would be better.
[05:40] <Tsjoklat> jdub_ alrighty ... then the hope is that there will be a music playing app such as amarok in gnome :)
[05:40] <solarce> Tsjoklat: check out muine
[05:40] <jdub_> solarce: apt-get install -u
[05:40] <jdub_> solarce: apt-get install -u ubuntu-desktop
[05:40] <Tsjoklat> solarce: heard it had issues installing.. works for you? does it do lyrics too?
[05:41] <solarce> jdub_: same error message
[05:41] <solarce> Tsjoklat: haven't tried it recently, heard good things though
[05:41] <jdub_> solarce: yes, the error is expected.
[05:41] <jdub_> solarce: what other packages does it list, due for installation?
[05:41] <Tsjoklat> solarce too bad it needs to d/l a ton of mbs which is a problem when you are on dial-up
[05:41] <solarce> jdub_: none
[05:42] <jdub_> then you've probably got all of it
[05:42] <jdub_> and something else is wrong
[05:42] <solarce> jdub_: 4 are held back and they are all mono related
[05:42] <solarce> The following packages have been kept back:
[05:42] <solarce>   libmono-dev libmono0 mono-common mono-jit
[05:42] <jdub> that's fine
[05:43] <jdub> your problem is not related to lack of software, then
[05:44] <solarce> ooooo
[05:44] <solarce> I manually installed gnome-session and panel
[05:44] <solarce> they had been removed
[05:44] <solarce> :(
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> solarce weird
[05:45] <beh> how can i use fluxbox instead of gnome?
[05:46] <solarce> oh well
[05:46] <moquist_> beh: if you click "Session" on the login screen, is fluxbox listed as an option?  (I'm assuming you have fluxbox installed already...)
[05:46] <solarce> back in business now
[05:46] <solarce> bya and thanks
[05:46] <solarce> bye*
[05:46] <beh> moquist_: ok well i didnt know if it was that easy, I just installed it but i havent tried anything yet because i thought i would have to edit files
[05:47] <beh> moquist_: but ill try right now
[05:47] <moquist_> beh: I assumed switching from gnome to ion2 was going to be hard, but ion2 was listed right there, and I clicked it, and away I went.
[05:52] <farruinn> is there any way to see what's in hoary without actually upgrading to it?
[05:53] <hyrcan> Moquist how'd you like ion2?
[05:53] <moquist_> hyrcan: working like a charm.  it's beautiful (again).
[05:54] <moquist_> hyrcan: now I have a test user running a vncserver so I can test/play with the default gnome environment as well.
[05:55] <moquist> hyrcan: or am i answering the right question - were you asking how it was working [in Ubuntu] , or how I like ion2 in general?
[05:55] <strixy> I don't suppose anyone here would be interested in chatting about mail servers and ubuntu?
[05:55] <pixelmonkey> My Rhythmbox doesn't play MP3s (complains no plugin)... how do I make this work?
[05:55] <hyrcan> in general  :)
[05:56] <moquist> hyrcan: I'm a key-combo kind of guy, so I like using the mouse as little as possible, and only when it really is the appropriate input tool.
[05:56] <YokoZar> What package do I need so I can cat file | md5 ?
[05:56] <YokoZar> ie: I want to find md5 sum spit out on command line
[05:56] <jdub> pixelmonkey: install gstreamer0.8-mad, and read the restricted formats page on the wiki
[05:56] <strixy> I'm curious which server works the best in the ubuntu environment. (qmail seems to be left out of synaptic
[05:56] <moquist> hyrcan: so I set up [patterned, chorded]  key combos to move my focus where I need to, and I can do almost everything I need to do with the keyboard.
[05:56] <pixelmonkey> jdub, I appreciate it.  BTW, I held a Linux desktop talk at my university today and handed out 10 Ubuntu CDs to eager Windows switchers :)
[05:57] <strixy> go pixel :)
[05:57] <pixelmonkey> yea, I was surprised so many people showed up around finals... 30 people came
[05:59] <hyrcan> moquist: cool, I messed with it a while back but didn't spend the time to get it to my likeing...it always looked intriguing... Thought about trying it again, but I've fallen in love with Crystal-FVWM...
[05:59] <pixelmonkey> wow, I just found a _nasty_ bug with GtkFileChooser widget
[06:00] <moquist> hyrcan: also, as I mentioned the other day, I was already an adherent to the ion2 philosophy before I knew the project existed.  at that time I was using the "lines" theme for sawfish and I had key combos to do all my window manipulations and focus changes.
[06:00] <pixelmonkey> I have this long folder name for an MP3 album, and if I enter the directory that contains it, the GtkFileChooser widget infinite loops resizing the file display area (bigger, smaller, bigger, smaller) and freezes up.
[06:01] <crimsun> pixelmonkey: dpkg -l libgtk2.0-0|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'
[06:01] <pixelmonkey> crimsun, 2.4.10-1ubuntu
[06:02] <hyrcan> http://fvwm-crystal.berlios.de/
[06:02] <crimsun> ah, warty?
[06:02] <pixelmonkey> crimsun, yep
[06:02] <crimsun> I tested that myself last night and couldn't reproduce your symptoms
[06:02] <pixelmonkey> crimsun, similar issue fixed in newer libgtk?
[06:02] <hyrcan> it's a set up config files for FVWM... that transform it into something really nice... :)
[06:02] <pixelmonkey> crimsun, so bug report exists, you know the #?
[06:02] <crimsun> pixelmonkey: seems so, but I'm tracking hoary
[06:03] <crimsun> pixelmonkey: not off the top of my head, sorry
[06:03] <pixelmonkey> crimsun, no problem, I won't report it then to avoid triage...
[06:03] <pixelmonkey> crimsun, I'll try to find the bug report on gnome.org
[06:03] <crimsun> sounds good
[06:03] <pixelmonkey> what version of libgtk is on hoary?
[06:04] <crimsun> 2.5.6-0ubuntu1
[06:05] <pixelmonkey> crimsun, ah, okay, so it's very possible it was fixed in between if you can't reproduce
[06:06] <Hikaru79> Any Java developers in here? #java is being totally unhelpful >_>
[06:07] <pixelmonkey> Hikaru79, I'm not bad, what ya need?
[06:07] <Hikaru79> =)
[06:07] <Hikaru79> pixelmonkey, you've used Swing GUI, then?
[06:07] <pixelmonkey> Hikaru79, eh, not enough, I do Java web development
[06:07] <Hikaru79> =/ Hm
[06:07] <Hikaru79> Well, try and help me here anyway :P
[06:08] <pixelmonkey> Hikaru79, not sure how useful I
[06:08] <pixelmonkey> I'll be if it's SWING specific...
[06:08] <Hikaru79> According to the Java API, tutorial, and online example, the following three lines should be fine:
[06:08] <Hikaru79>     JRadioButton importFiles = new JRadioButton ("Import from File");
[06:08] <Hikaru79>     ButtonGroup group = new ButtonGroup ();
[06:08] <Hikaru79>     group.add (importFiles);
[06:08] <Hikaru79> But group.add (importFiles); is giving me a wierd error
[06:08] <Hikaru79> During compile
[06:08] <pixelmonkey> what erro?
[06:08] <pixelmonkey> god my typing's a disaster today
[06:08] <Hikaru79> Syntax error on token "importFiles", VariableDeclaratorId expected after this token
[06:08] <Hikaru79> AND
[06:08] <Hikaru79> Syntax error on token(s), misplaced construct(s)
[06:09] <Hikaru79> Yet, if we check the Java API for ButtonGroup
[06:09] <Hikaru79> We see...  void 	add(AbstractButton b)
[06:09] <Hikaru79> Is JRadioButton not a subclass of an AbstractButton?
[06:09] <Hikaru79> The tutorial says it is >_>
[06:10] <pixelmonkey> So the argument passed to JRadioButton's constructor is what, a string for the label of the radio button?
[06:10] <Hikaru79> Exactly
[06:10] <huwr> Hi.
[06:10] <TomT64> maybe you need to subclass ButtonGroup (can you do that)?
[06:10] <TomT64> probably not, btu just a thought
[06:11] <Hikaru79> Like, have the class extend ButtonGroup?
[06:11] <pixelmonkey> So ButtonGroup is like for a group of three radio buttons where the selected one can only be one of the three?
[06:11] <huwr> My little brother was wondering what the Ubuntu developers were planning on doing once they ran out of hogs to name their releases after.
[06:11] <Hikaru79> Exactly; all buttongroup does is make sure all it's members are mutually exclusive
[06:11] <Hikaru79> huwr, LMAO :P
[06:11] <huwr> Has there been any discussion into that or is it just too far away?
[06:11] <crimsun> which javac version are you using, out of curiosity?
[06:11] <pixelmonkey> huwr: toy story characters? :-P
[06:11] <huwr> Hikaru79, :p
[06:11] <Hikaru79> 1.5.0
[06:12] <pixelmonkey> huwr, oh wait, that's taken
[06:12] <huwr> What about naming them after big cats?
[06:12] <Hikaru79> huwr, they've already got about 3 or 4 more names lined up
[06:12] <Hikaru79> It's on the wiki somewhere
[06:12] <jdub> huwr: we're just using interesting animals, not necessarily hogs :)
[06:12] <TomT64> huwr, you made me ROFL
[06:12] <huwr> Yeah. GrumpyGroundhog
[06:12] <Hikaru79> Hehe
[06:12] <Hikaru79> Woah
[06:13] <Hikaru79> Warty WartHOG, Hoary HedgeHOG, Grumpy GroundHOG... I *never* noticed that xD
[06:13] <ironwolf> lest us not forget perky penguin
[06:14] <huwr> bouncy bushhog?
[06:14] <thoreauputic> wonky wombat
[06:14] <huwr> roary roadhog?
[06:14] <thoreauputic> ;)
[06:15] <huwr> Heh
[06:15] <Gwildor> grouchy grounghog
[06:15] <huwr> Gwildor, grumpygroundhog is already there. :(
[06:16] <Gwildor> stupid me
[06:16] <huwr> yes :p
[06:16] <pixelmonkey> I guess the alliteration is gonna stick
[06:19] <thoreauputic> alliteration alleviates angst awfully
[06:19] <huwr> Pointy Penguin?
[06:20] <thoreauputic> Pedantic Penguin ? *grin*
[06:21] <huwr> I still like Raunchy Roadhog
[06:21] <Hikaru79> Hahaha
[06:23] <thoreauputic> Paranoid Piglet
[06:23] <pixelmonkey> Hikaru79, doing research on this Java thing, it seems your code is okay... sure it's not a library (jar file missing?) issue?
[06:23] <Hikaru79> pixelmonkey, pretty sure; all other of my Swing components are doing fine
[06:24] <Hikaru79> JRadioButton is in the same boat as all the rest of them, I don't see why some parts of the library would be found and this one not =/
[06:24] <Hikaru79> import javax.swing.*; //imported for buttons, labels, and images
[06:24] <pixelmonkey> Hikaru79, yea, it's weird...
[06:24] <Hikaru79> :(
[06:24] <Hikaru79> I think it might have to do with me using 1.5.0
[06:24] <Hikaru79> Because it says on the java api
[06:24] <Hikaru79> Warning:  Serialized objects of this class will not be compatible with future Swing releases. The current serialization support is appropriate for short term storage or RMI between applications running the same version of Swing. As of 1.4, support for long term storage of all JavaBeansTM  has been added to the java.beans package. Please see XMLEncoder.
[06:25] <Hikaru79> On the ButtonGroup page =/
[06:25] <Hikaru79> But then, if it was changed, what was it changed *to*?
[06:25] <pixelmonkey> hmm, yea, you don't have 1.4.2 laying around?
[06:25] <Hikaru79> nope :( Besides, my teacher will be marking this on 1.5.0 =/
[06:26] <pixelmonkey> Hikaru79, nonsense... so radio buttons come up as long as you don't use the group?
[06:26] <Hikaru79> Hm, lemme try that
[06:27] <Hikaru79> oh... wow...
[06:27] <Hikaru79> I feel *so* stupid right now
[06:28] <Hikaru79> I'd accidently put this outside of the brackets for the constructor method
[06:28] <Hikaru79> It was hanging around outside the class
[06:28] <Hikaru79> >___<
[06:28] <Hikaru79> Sorry, pixelmonkey :S
[06:28] <Hikaru79> Problem solved ^ ^;;
[06:28] <pixelmonkey> put what?
[06:28] <Hikaru79> Those three lines
[06:28] <Hikaru79> Should have been in the constructor method
[06:28] <pixelmonkey> oh
[06:28] <Hikaru79> They were in the main class header *blush*
[06:28] <pixelmonkey> I see, yea that's why the error was so lame
[06:29] <Hikaru79> =/ Yeah.
[06:29] <pixelmonkey> it was parsing all wrong, no problem, at least it's fixed
[06:30] <Hikaru79> Sorry for wasting your time, pixelmonkey :( I thought I'd been really careful; I'll be moreso next time
[06:32] <farruinn> is there some way to find out what version of gcc was used to compile a binary?
[06:44] <joshua__> im trying to compile something which compiled perfectly on hoary but now im on warty and its throwing an error
[06:46] <Gmail> hoary and warty are not always compatble
[06:46] <joshua__> it wasnt made for hoary
[06:47] <|QuaD|> Gmail: you run hoary, how is openoffice for you?
[06:47] <joshua__> |QuaD| in my hoary it works great
[06:47] <joshua__> LC_ALL=C ./intltool-merge ./po gnomad2.desktop.in gnomad2.desktop -d -u -c ./po/.intltool-merge-cache
[06:47] <Gmail> |QuaD|: i use gnome-office
[06:47] <Gmail> open office is bloatware
[06:48] <|QuaD|> joshua__: i have tried presentor
[06:48] <|QuaD|> 3 times
[06:48] <|QuaD|> all clicking from a webpage
[06:48] <|QuaD|> it takes FOREVER to open
[06:49] <joshua__> BAH! Die all stupid ambiguous error messages... Die error 1
[06:56] <arcadefx> bbl
[07:02] <mike_douglas> what is the name of the software in this (http://www.osnews.com/img/9097/ubuntu1.jpg) screenshot?
[07:02] <mike_douglas> the update one
[07:05] <|QuaD|> could it be synaptic?
[07:06] <|QuaD|> can someone help me with a cronjob?
[07:06] <jdub> mike_douglas: update-manager and gnome-app-install
[07:06] <mike_douglas> doesn't look like it, I heard that the ubuntu people were creating their own one
[07:06] <mike_douglas> thanks, jdub
[07:06] <|QuaD|> mike_douglas: i use apt-get :)
[07:06] <crimsun> and there you have it.
[07:07] <JDahl> |QuaD|, I am not expert, but have made some simple ones.. what's your problem?
[07:07] <|QuaD|> i have a command i want to run every 3 hours
[07:07] <|QuaD|> how would i do that
[07:07] <crimsun> use crontab
[07:07] <|QuaD|> how do i get to it?
[07:07] <crimsun> crontab -e
[07:07] <|QuaD|> it brings me to a blank screen
[07:08] <crimsun> right, now enter in the crontab syntax without the username
[07:08] <crimsun> (presuming you want to run the command as your $USER
[07:08] <crimsun> )
[07:08] <|QuaD|> yeah i do
[07:08] <|QuaD|> how do i find out the syntax?
[07:08] <crimsun> # m h dom mon dow command
[07:08] <|QuaD|> english?
[07:09] <crimsun> minute hour day_of_month month day_of_week command
[07:09] <crimsun> assuming you want it to run every 3 hours, it'd be:
[07:09] <crimsun> 0 3 * * * some_command
[07:09] <crimsun> err
[07:09] <infornography> If I delete everything in the /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox directory, and then install the new firefox to that directory, will I break anything? Or is that a suitable way to update it?
[07:10] <|QuaD|> 0 3 * * * php -r "include('somesite')";
[07:10] <JDahl> isnt that run at 00:03 every night ?
[07:10] <|QuaD|> so that would work?
[07:10] <crimsun> JDahl: yes
[07:10] <crimsun> (hence the err)
[07:10] <crimsun> actually, it'd be 3:00 every morning
[07:10] <|QuaD|> how do i change it to 3 hours?
[07:11] <jdub> * */3 * * *
[07:11] <jdub> ^ every three hours
[07:11] <crimsun> yep
[07:11] <|QuaD|> * */3 * * * php -r "include('somesite')";
[07:11] <crimsun> yep, and any output will be mailed to your $USER
[07:11] <regeya> I don't forsee using any pretty update manager.  seriously.
[07:12] <|QuaD|> ok
[07:12] <JDahl> wonders of unix...
[07:12] <|QuaD|> when does it start
[07:19] <willg> is anyone else having a problem removing gforge-ldap-openldap?
[07:22] <cef_work> |QuaD|: you mean the script above? assuming * */3, that'd be on the hours 0, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18 & 21
[07:23] <|QuaD|> ahh ok
[07:23] <|QuaD|> thanks
[07:25] <Adrenline> nigger stink!
[07:26] <Adrenline> use my new distro, KKK Linux, available at www.fuckthejews.com
[07:27] <willg> I love /ignore
[07:28] <|QuaD|> wtf
[07:28] <Adrenline> damn, there's more black in this channel than the chimneys at a concentration camp
[07:29] <|QuaD|> is he trolling?
[07:29] <cef_work> Adrenline: oi! just cos I wear black and hang around with the goth community, no need to get offensive!
[07:29] <Drone-Jo1dan> ...
[07:31] <Adrenline> you aint goth, yous a nigga, I see them chains, bow down
[07:32] <jdub> Adrenline: take it somewhere else please
[07:32] <huwr> So... how about that local sports team, huh?
[07:32] <Adrenline> the one with the niggers that play the sport?
[07:32] <huwr> I hear they are doing well in their specified field of excellence.
[07:32] <huwr> erk.
[07:35] <Adrenline> good bye bitches, EFNet calls, suck my ass and lick my balls!
[07:35] <Gman> dork
[07:35] <ctd> Nice character.
[07:35] <JDahl> very original
[07:36] <huwr> What a charming young man.
[07:57] <cef_work> ctd: very very sad.. *sigh*
[07:57] <joshua__> yay... all rejoice
[08:09] <EricNeon> how do you use beta gnome?
[08:12] <burner> Klowner, are you the same Klowner from #fluxbox theme glory?
[08:12] <Tsjoklat> he is burner
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> awesome one isn't it :)
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> I have Flung of Plastic on my dt
[08:13] <burner> heh
[08:13] <burner> gotta love flux
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> gotta love good skinners
[08:13] <burner> so true
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> nix wouldn't be half as fun if it wasn't for them
[08:14] <burner> kde kinda sucks... only cause it's so bright grey and silvery... a good skinner would make me like kde :)
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> well everyone of them has it's good sizes surely... you can customize gnome/kde to look anyway you would want it to be
[08:15] <burner> to an extent
[08:15] <burner> but anyway.... is anyone else having issues with nautilus lately?
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> what issues
[08:16] <burner> like it won't load
[08:16] <burner> it might just be my debian box... i'm booting ubuntu atm
[08:16] <burner> my whole gtk file selector ui makes all apps that use it crash too
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> I heard there were some problems today after upgrading
[08:16] <burner> so maybe that's what killing nautilus
[08:17] <burner> looks like ubuntu is ok so far
[08:17] <burner> time to upgrade and see if i break it :)
[08:19] <Tsjoklat> good luck :)
[08:22] <Synek> hi all
[08:22] <burner> hi
[08:26] <rory__> morning
[08:46] <rattboi> yo
[08:46] <|QuaD|> yo
[08:46] <rattboi> anyone know why there's such a big hoary update today?
[08:46] <rattboi> 183 packages?
[08:46] <burner> there is?
[08:46] <rattboi> maybe I missed 2 days
[08:46] <|QuaD|> i don't think i had that many
[08:46] <|QuaD|> even close
[08:46] <rattboi> well, it's been only 4-5 days since I've had Hoary
[08:46] <|QuaD|> i update once a day
[08:46] <|QuaD|> i did at like noon
[08:47] <|QuaD|> let me check it out
[08:47] <burner> xorg is cool... but no apps use it yet
[08:47] <rattboi> maybe I installed some other packages before I ran update
[08:47] <rattboi> what do you mean USE it?
[08:47] <rattboi> it's just there
[08:47] <rattboi> except extensions like composite
[08:48] <burner> composite is what i was referring to
[08:48] <burner> ie, only major change
[08:48] <|QuaD|> burner: 93 packages
[08:49] <burner> nevermind
[08:49] <rattboi> |Quad|, how long was noon from now where you are?
[08:49] <rattboi> wow, great sentence
[08:49] <|QuaD|> 14 hours?
[08:49] <burner> lol ;)
[08:49] <|QuaD|> maybe i updated later
[08:49] <|QuaD|> or maybe i forgot today... i usually update at noon
[08:51] <rattboi> I wonder how long 183 packages take to install...
[08:53] <alka_trash> does anyone here use a LCD
[08:53] <rattboi> like a monitor or something else?
[08:53] <alka_trash> ya
[08:53] <rattboi> ya?
[08:53] <rattboi> lol
[08:53] <rattboi> so..both?
[08:54] <|QuaD|> alka_trash: i have 2 now :)
[08:54] <alka_trash> I just bought a 19 LCD and I don't know change the settings, I did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver .. blah but it doesn't let me change the monitor settings
[08:55] <alka_trash> It's working but I know that I'm missing some settings in xorg
[08:55] <|QuaD|> i edit the config files
[08:55] <|QuaD|> i don't use scripts
[08:56] <alka_trash> did you add any options to the config file
[08:56] <|QuaD|> lcd specific? no
[08:56] <|QuaD|> i never used a script
[08:56] <|QuaD|> so i added lots of lines
[08:56] <decklin> try dpkg-reconfigure -plow
[08:57] <alka_trash> okay
[08:57] <burner> alka_trash, change what?
[08:57] <alka_trash> just a sec
[08:57] <burner> resolution?
[08:58] <rattboi> I wonder when the umount problem will be fixed
[08:58] <|QuaD|> umount problem?
[08:58] <ironwolf> rattboi: it's fixed
[08:58] <alka_trash> I just did a dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[08:59] <alka_trash> and I still can't change the monitor settings
[08:59] <burner> -plow?
[08:59] <|QuaD|> what is the umount problem?
[08:59] <ironwolf> QuaD: usb thingy
[08:59] <|QuaD|> oh
[08:59] <ruebe> hi
[08:59] <alka_trash> burner: decklin help me with this one
[08:59] <rattboi> who are the devs in here?
[09:00] <rattboi> I want to be closer to the new info
[09:00] <ruebe> how works ubuntu on laptop?
[09:00] <ironwolf> rattboi: I think their sleeping. :)  Conference in Mataro Spain.
[09:01] <rattboi> cool
[09:01] <bborkk> ruebe: What questions do you have?
[09:01] <rattboi> do you guys follow the mailing list or what?
[09:01] <ironwolf> ruebe: works well.  Hardware detection is second to none that I've found.
[09:01] <ironwolf> rattboi:  irc works.
[09:02] <rattboi> huh, this channel?
[09:02] <rattboi> I haven't heard anyong talking like thery were devs here
[09:02] <ruebe> now i have kanotix installed, but acpi doesnt work fine, how is the acpi in ubuntu..sorry about my poor english
[09:03] <Gmail> OMG /boot umount ed
[09:03] <Tomcat_> ruebe: Works for me... not perfectly but okay.
[09:03] <Gmail> then /home umount AGAIN
[09:03] <Gmail> then / umount and my system crashed
[09:03] <ruebe> thx
[09:03] <Gmail> 2nd time this happened
[09:04] <ruebe> ill test it!
[09:04] <ironwolf> rattboi: lots of devs here... most are at conference, so all crash at same time, normally it's better
[09:04] <ironwolf> rattboi: this channel has logs that go back...
[09:05] <ironwolf> ruebe: acpi works for me... on my laptop, and it hasn't on other distros.
[09:05] <ironwolf> Gmail: are you running current hoary?
[09:06] <Gmail> yes
[09:06] <Gmail> OMG
[09:06] <Gmail> wtf happened to computer
[09:06] <Gmail> it became the normal action
[09:07] <Gmail> jdub_: you in charge of gnome in ubuntu to some dergree?
[09:08] <ironwolf> Gmail: to my understanding lamont got it into archive within last 10ish hours.  try apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade see if still having issues
[09:08] <rattboi> spiv: that you?
[09:08] <ruebe> ironwolf: must i use the ubuntu-packages, or can i install debian-packages?
[09:08] <spiv> Um.  Who else would I be?
[09:08] <bborkk> ruebe: You can install any package you'd like.
[09:08] <rattboi> I mean, do you know me?
[09:08] <Gmail> ironwolf: my mirror updates ever 6hrs :(
[09:09] <rattboi> if my nick isn't immediately recognizable, I don't know you
[09:09] <ironwolf> Gmail: thought daniels and fabbione were the gnome Gods.
[09:09] <ironwolf> Gmail: jdub's more like an overlord. :)
[09:09] <lamont_r> ironwolf: the unmount everything appears to be a udev thing...
[09:09] <ruebe> thank you all, and good bye!
[09:10] <Gmail> ironwolf: and jordi is just a worker
[09:10] <spiv> rattboi: That's probably a "no" then :)
[09:10] <rattboi> ok
[09:10] <ironwolf> lamont_r: didn't I see you say it was fixed though?  or was I imagining?
[09:10] <Tsjoklat> testy testy
[09:10] <lamont_r> Gmail: wrap an if [ -n "$DEVNAME" ] ; then ... fi around the bulk of /etc/dev.d/default/unmount.dev
[09:10] <rattboi> I know this gp32 guy named mr. spiv
[09:10] <lamont_r> ironwolf: I thought it was mostly understood...
[09:11] <lamont_r> bbiab
[09:11] <Gmail> lamont_r: english
[09:11] <ironwolf> Gmail: be back in a bit <-- is what lamont_r said
[09:12] <Gmail> k
[09:13] <ironwolf> Gmail: jordi is unknown to me.
[09:13] <Gmail> ironwolf: well he works for debian
[09:14] <ironwolf> Gmail: cool
[09:14] <Gmail> whats the offical ubuntu apt rep and not a mirror
[09:16] <ironwolf> Gmail: huh?
[09:16] <bborkk> yeah.  huh?
[09:17] <Gmail> what is the line you are using for the ubuntu repo?
[09:17] <Gmail> err i'll find it my self
[09:17] <bob2> Gmail: wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[09:18] <Gmail> thanks
[09:18] <Gmail> bob2: why not the new wiki
[09:18] <Gmail> ohh it fwds there
[09:21] <Gmail> bob2: i see no fix
[09:22] <Gmail> the debian gnome-applets leaked into ubuntu
[09:23] <bob2> erm, I doubt that
[09:24] <Keybuk> do you mean the GNOME menu reversion?
[09:24] <Gmail> bob2: well its on my system
[09:24] <Gmail> Keybuk: the menu applet is the normal one like in debian
[09:24] <Keybuk> yes, that's nothing to do with gnome-applets
[09:24] <Keybuk> GNOME uses Freedesktop.org menus now
[09:24] <Keybuk> we haven't rewritten our patches
[09:25] <Gmail> and the comand line applet is smaller
[09:25] <Gmail> Keybuk: i know
[09:25] <Keybuk> it's nothing to do with Debian, it's just the upstream changes
[09:25] <Gmail> Keybuk: its no longer "Computer" its "Actions"
[09:25] <Gmail> ^^
[09:25] <Treenaks> Gmail: it'll be changes back eventually
[09:26] <Keybuk> Gmail: yes... we haven't rewritten our patches
[09:26] <cef_work> is /etc/modutils/ actually useful in ubuntu? since ubuntu doesn't support 2.4 kernels, and everything seems to use /etc/modprobe.d/, do we need it?
[09:27] <Gmail> Keybuk: how long will it take?
[09:27] <Gmail> i want to know if i should downgrade
[09:27] <bob2> chill dude, it will be fixed soon
[09:27] <cef_work> I just spent 1 hr fiddling with module parameters for sbp2 with the wrong files because of it.. *sigh*
[09:27] <rattboi> hmm
[09:28] <rattboi> I should restart
[09:28] <Gmail> bob2: i am chills shess i was just asking a question
[09:29] <Gmail> btw the abiword entrey disapread
[09:30] <stuNNed> Gmail, under 'other' here
[09:32] <Gmail> ahh
[09:32] <Gmail> bob2: any chance of browing xfce menu editor (it suports x standard) for gnome/ubuntu ?
[09:33] <Gmail> *xfce 4.2 the new one
[09:33] <bob2> I don't know
[09:33] <rattboi> huh
[09:33] <rattboi> actions menu
[09:34] <Gmail> yes
[09:34] <Gmail> i have already complained
[09:34] <rattboi> nah, I think it's fine
[09:34] <|QuaD-> actually
[09:34] <rattboi> I dont think it's a big deal
[09:34] <bob2> complaining on irc is fairly pointless and annoying
[09:34] <Gmail> its not
[09:34] <Kamion> hm, Debian just fixed a lot of those initrd root filesystem detection problem
[09:34] <|QuaD-> i just did a dist-upgrade
[09:34] <Kamion> problems
[09:34] <bob2> it's better to check the ubuntu-devel and bug system first
[09:34] <|QuaD-> and it is installing more
[09:34] <|QuaD-> bob2: i am not that worried, could be something i did
[09:34] <|QuaD-> let me first investigate
[09:35] <|QuaD-> (unless you know of something...)
[09:35] <Gmail> because how are we ment to get to those programs under computer???
[09:35] <bob2> oh, not you, Gmail
[09:35] <Gmail> what?
[09:36] <rattboi> what, exactly, are you missing Gmail?
[09:36] <rattboi> it seems like most are in my Applications menu
[09:36] <Gmail> rattboi: synaptic....
[09:36] <rattboi> gmail: applications...
[09:36] <rattboi> applications -> system settings -> synaptic
[09:37] <|QuaD-> Gmail: actions menu=aplications menu?
[09:37] <Gmail> rattboi: i don't have system settings
[09:37] <Gmail> yes
[09:37] <|QuaD-> yes to me?
[09:37] <Gmail> yes
[09:38] <Kinnison> Morning
[09:38] <rattboi> gmail: no applications menu?
[09:38] <|QuaD-> i didn't break it then :)
[09:39] <Gmail> raja: there is
[09:39] <ulisse> Hi channel
[09:40] <|QuaD-> hi ulisse
[09:40] <ulisse> I'm having a little problem with warty
[09:40] <|QuaD-> awww...
[09:41] <|QuaD-> you have problems with your wart.... me with my hoar
[09:41] <ulisse> I installed warty on my friend's PC, that's equipped with al DVD reader and a DVD recorder
[09:42] <Gmail> heh
[09:42] <|QuaD-> nice
[09:42] <Gmail> did you check driver support FIRST
[09:42] <ulisse> all was ok, but since two days ago, my friend said that there was only one device
[09:42] <ulisse> there was only the recorder
[09:42] <ulisse> but after a reboot, there was only the reader...
[09:43] <ulisse> it's quite strange, no?
[09:43] <|QuaD-> that is strange
[09:43] <|QuaD-> lol
[09:43] <|QuaD-> now enough sillyness
[09:44] <|QuaD-> did she make sure it was mounted
[09:44] <ulisse> It didn't appears in /dev/
[09:44] <|QuaD-> hmm... don't know what to say then
[09:45] <ulisse> is it possible that is a problem with devices creation at startup?
[09:45] <|QuaD-> did she look through her boot logs?
[09:45] <|QuaD-> haha
[09:45] <|QuaD-> she should look for errors in her boot logs
[09:45] <Gmail> jdub: connection probblems?
[09:45] <|QuaD-> like (i am guessing) dmsg
[09:46] <ulisse> I hadn't the time to lokk into her pc
[09:46] <ulisse> look, not lokk
[09:46] <|QuaD-> maybe look into it
[09:46] <|QuaD-> if she doesn't know what she is doing
[09:46] <|QuaD-> maybe its an easy fix
[09:46] <ulisse> I think it shouldn't be a serious trouble
[09:47] <|QuaD-> i haven't heard of a problem, but i don't know too much
[09:49] <ulisse> Maybe it could be an HW trouble, I connected those devices with an 80-pin cable (the one for HD, you know?)
[09:49] <ulisse> instead of a standard 40 pin
[09:49] <Gmail> OMG look at the ubuntuforums.org thing about the computer menu
[09:49] <Gmail> its already on page 2
[09:49] <|QuaD-> hahah
[09:50] <|QuaD-> when was it started
[09:51] <zAo^> morning
[09:52] <bborkk> zAo^: Zao3!
[09:52] <|QuaD-> is this the first crippling bug like this hoary has seen?
[09:52] <Gmail> |QuaD-: Unread  Today, 05:45 AM
[09:53] <|QuaD-> Gmail: what category is it in (i hate links :))
[09:54] <Gmail> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=21
[09:54] <Gmail> #21
[09:54] <|QuaD-> Gmail: i can't see it.... can't copy/paste from irssi
[09:54] <|QuaD-> what forum is in?
[09:55] <|QuaD-> i found it
[09:55] <|QuaD-> nm
[09:56] <colleenj> good morning
[09:56] <Ng> nice hostname :)
[09:56] <zAo^> bborkk, zao3?
[09:57] <colleenj> :)
[10:02] <|QuaD-> alright... night you all, guess i will have ot wait to fix this until tomorrow
[10:03] <|QuaD-> (or hopefully it will be fixed by then :) )
[10:04] <hwm> somebody remind me what the alternative to root is?
[10:05] <rattboi> sudo ?
[10:07] <ermo> hwm, yoda?
[10:07] <hwm> thanks
[10:07] <mattgirv> or fakeroot
[10:07] <mattgirv> but i think you will need to apt-get that
[10:09] <colleenj> so what's unbuntu like to use?  Is it like any other distro such as RH, slackware, SuSe?
[10:09] <Agrajag> it's like debian
[10:10] <colleenj> ah i see
[10:10] <colleenj> and how upto date is it, when compared to something like LibraNet?
[10:10] <Agrajag> I have no idea what that is.
[10:10] <scizzo> colleenj: all the info you need is on the website actually
[10:10] <colleenj> its another distro like debian
[10:10] <Agrajag> Warty, the stable release, is about two months old.
[10:10] <colleenj> based on the 2.4.21 kernel
[10:10] <hwm> anybody know how to reister a protocol in firefox?  IRC for example?
[10:11] <Agrajag> all the software in it is about two months old.
[10:11] <Agrajag> Hoary, the developing release, is bleeding-edge stuff, due to be released in April I think
[10:12] <thoreauputic> hwm: the easy out (I've used it) , is to install the chatzilla extension
[10:12] <thoreauputic> hwm: I also use Irssi and xchat, but for integration with Firefox, the chatzilla extension works nicely
[10:14] <hwm> just google chatzilla and follow the numbers?
[10:14] <thoreauputic> hwm: just go to tools > add extensions in firefox, and look for "chat" on the extensions site
[10:15] <thoreauputic> hwm: the 'fox extension is specific to firefox
[10:15] <colleenj> that should be from the extensions download page accessed via Tools | Extensions
[10:16] <Kamion> colleenj: Warty's based on the 2.6.8.1 kernel
[10:16] <thoreauputic> colleenj: I believe that's what I said above :)
[10:16] <Kamion> colleenj: oh, sorry, I totally misread and thought you were talking about Warty, not Libranet. :-)
[10:17] <lamont_r> colleenj: 2.6.8.1 is the default kernel in warty
[10:17] <lamont_r> Agrajag: actually, warty is up to 5.5 months old software - upstream version freeze was end of June, changes beyond that were for release critical bugs.
[10:17] <lamont_r> upstream version freeze will hit hoary sometime soon (haven't looked), and then that will get hammered on until April.
[10:17] <lamont_r> and then repeat
[10:18] <Agrajag> well, in any case it's newer than debian stable
[10:18] <hwm> thanks again
[10:18] <hwm> bye
[10:19] <colleenj> Agrajag: tvm
[10:22] <calc> lamont_r: freeze at end of dec?
[10:23] <calc> how is that going to work out with gnome 2.10 not out yet?
[10:23] <lamont_r> calc: upstream version freeze does not affect feature goals
[10:23] <calc> limited well tested additions (i guess)?
[10:23] <calc> ok
[10:24] <pisuke> heh. ubuntu has taken osnews readers by storm. it seems you're doing very well.
[10:24] <hwm> back again, can someone please remind me syntax of getting gcc?
[10:24] <Agrajag> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:25] <Kamion> calc: same way it worked in Warty when GNOME 2.8 wasn't out until just before thre elase
[10:25] <Kamion> er, "the release". learn to type Col
[10:26] <calc> ok :)
[10:26] <calc> i didn't know previously that warty was frozen in june
[10:26] <Kamion> yep
[10:26] <lamont_r> calc: that's the reason that sarge/sid->warty was a crossgrade.
[10:27] <calc> oh btw is gnome 2.9 not supposed to display anything on the desktop?
[10:27] <Kamion> you can see the vestiges of that better in universe; we touched a lot of main after June, since we didn't actually get started with Warty development until nearly the upstream version freeze really
[10:27] <calc> 2.8 in warty displayed things like home (iirc)
[10:27] <seb128> calc, it's supposed to display the drives
[10:27] <enntee> Does Warty get regular software updates?
[10:27] <enntee> seems like there are some older packages in it
[10:27] <Agrajag> enntee: only securitu/bugfixes
[10:27] <calc> hmm on mine its completely blank
[10:27] <Agrajag> security
[10:28] <enntee> damn.
[10:28] <calc> seb128: btw the applications.menu is going to be a fun thing to work out ;)
[10:28] <lamont_r> enntee: for security and critical data loss only
[10:28] <lamont_r> (modulo ubuntu-calendar)
[10:28] <lamont_r> but the warty archive won't change.
[10:28] <seb128> calc, no, warty doesn't display home
[10:28] <lamont_r> enntee: the next regular update of warty will be in april.  it's called hoary.
[10:28] <seb128> calc, and plug an usb key by example, it should pop on the desktop
[10:28] <calc> seb128: hmm ok, i'll have to boot up a warty box and see what it displays again
[10:29] <enntee> so it's sort of hard to stay current with warty, eh?
[10:29] <Kamion> enntee: we think that "every six months" is a pretty good compromise
[10:29] <lamont_r> warty is all about stability
[10:29] <hwm> anyone know of a good ftp client for ubuntu?  When I tried gftp it failed because it looked for gtk-config 1.2.3 or higher and couldn't
[10:29] <calc> i know it at least showed extra mounts that were mounted at boot time
[10:29] <calc> which hoary doesn't
[10:29] <Ng> hoary doesn't *today*, that doesn't mean it won't tomorrow, it might catch on fire tomorrow too ;)
[10:29] <seb128> calc, there is no difference on the desktop between warty and hoary for the moment
[10:30] <enntee> Kamion: don't get me wrong, i'm not criticizing.
[10:30] <lamont_r> enntee: there is a compromise that must be struck between bleeding-edge-new and stability
[10:30] <lamont_r> the releases target stability, with the next one being 6 months later.
[10:30] <seb128> calc, you've probably changed some user setting for your user on warty
[10:30] <calc> seb128: is there some configuration option i might need to set to get it to show the mounts on the desktop in 2.9?
[10:30] <calc> i didn't change anything on warty afaik
[10:30] <calc> i installed 3 warty boxes and they all showed the mounts on the desktop
[10:31] <seb128> like hoary does
[10:31] <calc> hoary doesn't show my mounts here
[10:31] <lamont_r> so you can choose to run 0-6 month old sw, 6-12, or 12-18.
[10:31] <calc> at least not at boot time mounts, i'll test inserting a key and see what happens
[10:31] <lamont_r> seb128: I don't see my usb key on my desktop
[10:31] <lamont_r> resonably current hoary
[10:31] <seb128> calc,  the options are in /apps/nautilus/desktop
[10:32] <enntee> and it's generally a bad idea to install debian packages on warty, correct?
[10:32] <seb128> lamont, I've just tried 5s ago here and it works
[10:32] <enntee> or hoary packages on warty?
[10:32] <lamont_r> enntee: certainly outside of the support model
[10:32] <seb128> weird
[10:32] <calc> ok key works, but it doesn't show any of the other mounts
[10:32] <lamont_r> seb128: hrm.. quite likely that I hacked over my config some way or another.
[10:32] <colleenj> well here goes.... so far the installer looks very sweet
[10:32] <enntee> lamont_r: yeah... but is it pretty do-able for someone familiar with debian?
[10:32] <seb128> lamont, probably ... do you have a ~/.gconf/apps/nautilus/desktop dir ?
[10:33] <Kamion> enntee: may work, may not, depends on the exact packages involved. for simple packages with few dependency interactions it can certainly be tried relatively straightforwardly
[10:33] <lamont_r> enntee: the preferred method (if you must grab newer versions), is to grab the source (apt-get source foo - after adding a deb-src line pointing to debian), and then dpkg-buildpackage
[10:33] <calc> seb128: i don't have that .gconf dir here
[10:33] <jdub> silbs, lulu: i have fought the wiki and won.
[10:33] <Kamion> enntee: the thing to avoid is listing both Debian and Ubuntu archives in sources.list; that confuses apt quite a bit
[10:33] <seb128> calc, and your usb pop on the desktop, that works as expecte
[10:33] <seb128> expected
[10:33] <Kamion> enntee: so if you're grabbing Debian packages, you have to do it by hand
[10:34] <lamont_r> enntee: the concern relates to library versions and such, mixed with the fact that apt/dpkg/whatever believe that all copies of foo_1.1_i386.deb are identical in the world.
[10:34] <lulu> jdub: sounds like a breakthrough!
[10:34] <calc> volumes is set to visible, so something changed between 2.8/2.9 (or in hoary) so that boot time volumes aren't shown anymore
[10:34] <enntee> Kamion, lamont_r: thanks
[10:35] <jdub> lulu: nah, just managed to get my bof changes in
[10:35] <seb128> calc, I don't think so
[10:35] <enntee> the dpkg-buildpackage method sounds good to me
[10:35] <lamont_r> enntee: yeah
[10:35] <seb128> pitti, here ?
[10:35] <calc> i can try reinstalling the system with warty again to make certain i didn't do anything odd to it
[10:35] <lamont_r> seb128: or turn around
[10:35] <calc> but it was showing boot time volumes for certain
[10:35] <seb128> pitti, is there a difference on the volume displayed on the desktop between warty and hoary ?
[10:35] <lulu> jdub:great :o)
[10:35] <calc> and hoary doesn't but it does show volumes that come up while logged in (eg usb key)
[10:36] <pitti> seb128, fabbione: 2.6.8.1 works fine for me on hoary, no difference to warty; 2.6.9 breaks sound, unfortunately
[10:37] <pitti> fabbione: my sound on 2.6.9 is present, but barely audible (very quiet). any idea?
[10:37] <jdub> pitti: turn up the volume
[10:37] <fabbione> pitti: did you wash your hear this mornig?
[10:37] <seb128> see, I'm not the only one to break stuff :p
[10:37] <pitti> jdub: I'm not going to comment this
[10:37] <jdub> :-)
[10:37] <calc> fabbione: btw would you happen to know why warty kernel ich5 gets loaded too late and thus can't enable dma?
[10:38] <fabbione> calc: no. i maintain only the kernel for hoary
[10:38] <pitti> fabbione: btw, it already broke on the very first 2.6.9 version, not only on yesterday's
[10:38] <enntee> lamont_r: would it be better to have a deb-src line pointed at hoary in order to get newer versions of packages?
[10:38] <calc> fabbione: ok
[10:38] <fabbione> pitti: try to check if the cable for the speakers is plugged properly
[10:39] <calc> yep i am definitely seeing boot time mounts on my desktop in warty
[10:39] <lamont_r> enntee: you could list both, and get the latest of the two...
[10:39] <calc> i'll nuke the config for that user and see if they still come back
[10:39] <enntee> lamont_r: cool, thanks
[10:41] <lamont_r> and chroot's to build things for all 3 (and others) as well...
[10:43] <intinig> hello all
[10:43] <intinig> did anyone else get screwed menus after updating hoary?
[10:44] <pisuke> I'm glad I could resist DUH
[10:46] <calc> ok on a completely up to date and cleansed home dir it still shows fs mounted at boottime on the desktop
[10:46] <calc> i nuked all config files, etc
[10:46] <calc> but that doesn't happen on hoary
[10:46] <enntee> lamont_r: anything you can do when apt says it can't satisfy build-dep's?
[10:47] <seb128> calc, you have the same options in /apps/nautilus/desktop ? and the same fstab ?
[10:48] <lamont_r> enntee: satisfy them. :-(
[10:48] <fabbione> applying patch dsdt-initrd to ./ ... ok.
[10:48] <fabbione> applying patch swsusp-userspace to ./ ... ok.
[10:48] <fabbione> applying patch wakeup_addr to ./ ... ok.
[10:48] <fabbione> applying patch wakeup_gdt to ./ ... ok.
[10:48] <fabbione> ECHAN
[10:48] <lamont_r> enntee: I generally wind up dumping Build-Depends from debian-control, and installing them one at a time to figure out which one is the problem child.
[10:49] <lamont_r> if you're trying to build on warty, you may need to down-rev some libraries to the versions in warty.
[10:49] <colleenj> I hate to sound like a total noob but how long shout it take to install the base-pacakges?  It's been sat at installing base-pacakges (205) for abot 20 mins now
[10:49] <lamont_r> hence it's easier to just run hoary (and live with the blood on the floor...)
[10:49] <colleenj> 205 = 20%
[10:50] <calc> crap i turned it off already, the nautilus should be the same, i removed it completely
[10:50] <calc> and i did not edit anything under /etc
[10:50] <calc> not sure about fstab
[10:50] <enntee> lamont_r: yeah, i'm considering just running hoary, but I'm not real wild about my workstation using experimental software.
[10:51] <lamont_r> enntee: we call it "dogfood" :-)
[10:51] <lamont_r> but I understand the concern
[10:51] <enntee> rhythmbox 0.8.8 just remembers playlist orders, that's where this madness comes from :)
[10:54] <lamont_r> I see
[10:56] <deception_uk> hi all
[10:57] <colleenj> hello
[10:57] <deception_uk> colleenj hiya how r u
[10:57] <colleenj> having fun with MyFirstInstall(tm)
[10:58] <deception_uk> ooOOoo:-D
[10:58] <deception_uk> how is it going so far?
[10:59] <colleenj> uncertain
[10:59] <Kamion> colleenj: that's probably bad; look on alt-f3 and alt-f4 to see what's happening
[11:00] <Kamion> colleenj: what exactly is the installer UI saying?
[11:01] <colleenj> well currently as i say it's seems to have 'hung' @ 20% - extracting base-files
[11:01] <calc> interesting my gnome menu seems to have reverted back to gnome default (instead of the ubuntu one)
[11:01] <colleenj> alt-f3 / alt-f4 has no effect
[11:01] <calc> was that due to the new fdo menu structure?
[11:02] <Kamion> colleenj: that means the kernel's hung ...
[11:02] <Kamion> badness
[11:02] <colleenj> right in which case it will be the box
[11:02] <colleenj> I'm using an AtoZ small footprint box...  pretty iffy peice of kit.  Thanks for the advice
[11:04] <Kamion> ick, good luck
[11:04] <Kamion> you may be able to work around it somehow; maybe turn off DMA or something
[11:06] <colleenj> Kamion: no they do have a habit of doing this... so far I've gone through 11 of the things
[11:08] <Kamion> colleenj: yow
[11:08] <colleenj> expesnive and not very reliable
[11:18] <cenerentola_> [micheal... are u here?]  does somebody know what kind of gui synaptic [woody's one]  uses?
[11:18] <colleenj> they over heat
[11:18] <colleenj> have cheap caps and some really dodgy SoDimms
[11:19] <Ribs> cenerentola_: 'what kind of gui'?
[11:19] <Ribs> you mean, gtk?
[11:19] <Kinnison> cenerentola_: gtk 1 IIRC
[11:19] <Ribs> it looks gtk2, to me
[11:19] <Kinnison> Ribs: in woody?
[11:19] <Ribs> oh, duh
[11:19] <cenerentola_> i think the toolkit
[11:20] <Ribs> didn't even see that bit
[11:20] <sherman> small thing
[11:20] <cenerentola_> that what had been used
[11:20] <Ribs> In ubuntu, it's gtk2 :)
[11:20] <Kinnison> indeed
[11:20] <sherman> is there any sort of sleep mode in ubuntu?
[11:20] <cenerentola_> ok thx
[11:20] <Kinnison> sherman: warty + mjg59's kernel/acpi support stuff can do it
[11:21] <Kinnison> sherman: otherwise you have to wait for hoary
[11:21] <sherman> k
[11:21] <sherman> guess it's time to invest in some quieter fans then
[11:21] <Ribs> heh
[11:34] <Garathor> Hi. I installed Ubuntu yesterday, trying to make dual boot with Windows XP. But if i choose Windows XP in GRUB, it won't boot. I get the errormessage "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7".
[11:37] <Garathor> Any suggestions on what could be wrong?
[11:44] <colleenj> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2000-11/msg00149.html
[11:44] <colleenj> you may have to set "Use rootnoverify instead of root" within your grub config file
[11:45] <Kamion> that sounds like it just suppresses a warning, not an error ...
[11:45] <colleenj> it seems to be a common problem
[11:45] <colleenj> certainly google is full of helpful hints and tips
[11:45] <Kamion> although I may be wrong here
[11:46] <Garathor> Yes, i've had a look
[11:46] <colleenj> Garathor: do you see something like "chainload +1" being reported directly after the "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" ?
[11:46] <Garathor> yes
[11:47] <colleenj> and how big is your HDD?
[11:47] <Garathor> or, before "chainloader + 1" i get "savedefault" and "makeactive"
[11:47] <Garathor> 160GB
[11:47] <Garathor> It is a SATA drive, if that matters.
[11:48] <colleenj> Garathor: have a look at this web page - especially the comment by cloud...
[11:48] <colleenj> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-21509.html
[11:48] <colleenj> btw apologies if I break in channel etiquette with posting of links
[11:48] <Kamion> on-topic links are fine
[11:51] <colleenj> Garathor: but before you do just see if this would work:
[11:51] <colleenj> "Check grub.conf if that is the rootnoverify(hdx,x) your grub.conf is set to boot into windows. if not. Change it to the one you have found out with fdisk."
[11:52] <Lathiat> daniels: about?
[11:53] <daniels> Lathiat: spu
[11:53] <daniels> sup, also
[11:53] <Garathor> Where is the grub.conf?
[11:53] <Lathiat> daniels: :)
[11:53] <Lathiat> daniels: just wondering how the nvidia/ati drivers compare performance wise
[11:53] <stuNNed> Garathor, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:53] <daniels> Lathiat: don't know
[11:53] <Lathiat> daniels: cus i looked at a benchmark between the two cards and the ati doubles it in nearly every one :(
[11:54] <daniels> Lathiat: a) i don't own nvidia hardware, b) i haven't had the time to get to play many games lately, c) my card is a radeon 8500, so I don't know about performance on newer stuff, d) meh
[11:54] <Garathor> root            (hd1,1)
[11:54] <Lathiat> daniels: heh ok :)
[11:54] <Lathiat> daniels: cheers
[11:55] <Lathiat> daniels: coming to lca next year?
[11:55] <Simira> Talliesin: Hanne?
[11:55] <daniels> Lathiat: i hope so, since I'm apparently talking there
[11:56] <Talliesin> Simira, ?
[11:56] <Lathiat> daniels: oh cool
[11:56] <Lathiat> daniels: whatcha talking on?
[11:57] <Garathor> In that thread it is suggested that there is something wrong with the windows-partition, and that resizing it would fix it?
[11:57] <daniels> fd.o
[11:57] <Simira> Talliesin: sorry, thought you were someone else
[11:58] <Talliesin> ah. k.
[11:58] <cryptomatt> hey there.. is there any specific way of installing netbeans on ubuntu??
[11:59] <cryptomatt> anyone tried installing netbeans??
[12:00] <Blaamann> Donwload it from SUN and try it
[12:01] <Blaamann> You can download both java and netbeans together from sun in one bundle
[12:01] <cryptomatt> blaamann: well i got java installed
[12:01] <cryptomatt> blaamann: getting netbeans separetly.. it comes in a bin file
[12:02] <Blaamann> I install Netbeans all the time at different boxes and it works all the time
[12:02] <Blaamann> Let me take a look at my installation here.
[12:02] <Blaamann> Where di you get the bin file ?
[12:02] <cryptomatt> blaamann: netbeans.org
[12:03] <Blaamann> Have you trid to run it ?
[12:03] <cryptomatt> blaamann: well... i have multiple oses on my machine
[12:04] <cryptomatt> blaamann: i have downloaded and installed netbeans through yoper
[12:04] <cryptomatt> blaamann: now i am in ubuntu and try to run the netbeans.sh script.. says bad interpreter
[12:05] <cryptomatt> blaamann: do i have to specifically download and install it within ubuntu?
[12:06] <Blaamann> I would have donwloaded it again in Ubuntu. Installed it again and the tried to luanch it.
[12:08] <cryptomatt> blaamann: ya got it.. it had to be reinstalled.. thanks...
[12:09] <Blaamann> Reinstallation is the only magic I know about :-)
[12:09] <crimsun> `kill -9' is magic
[12:10] <jab> nei, voldtekt
[12:11] <jab> oh, that was norwegian. I ment "no, rape".
[12:11] <colleenj> kill -15 is supposedly slightly more elegant - since a kill -9 can panic a box (althuogh this might just be AIX)
[12:12] <mjr> well, -9 is a bit naughty and should only be used as a last resort, but really, it shouldn't panic anything
[12:13] <colleenj> must be AIX then - curse IBM:)
[12:14] <Blaamann> I installed Ubuntu for the first yesterday, and I wonder what are your feelings about using the sudo command all the time ?
[12:15] <scoon> Blaamann, i don't.  I set up a root account.
[12:15] <Tomcat_> I usually use a root bash.
[12:15] <Blaamann> Have all you guys a root account ?
[12:16] <Tomcat_> Yes, but not on the Ubuntu machine.
[12:16] <crimsun> I do only because it's a hold-over from Sid.
[12:17] <lifeless> sudo bash
[12:17] <lifeless> :)
[12:17] <Blaamann> I have been using different linux/unix systems for 6 years now, but are a little bit confused regarding wether this is a good solution.
[12:18] <scoon> Blaamann, I too have been using linux for that long and I feel that I am careful enough
[12:18] <Kinnison> sudo -s -H
[12:18] <crimsun> I agree w/ using sudo by default for Ubuntu.
[12:18] <scoon> Blaamann, I think it is a great idea to keep newer users out of trouble.
[12:18] <crimsun> If one is annoyed by it, configuring a root account is simple enough.
[12:19] <crimsun> I've always liked its audit trail (provided one sticks to it and not `sudo /bin/sh').
[12:25] <b00gie> hello
[12:25] <davmor2> boogie lo
[12:26] <b00gie> ehm gnome home,computer,filesystem icons disappeard with the latest hoary updates.. :/
[12:26] <lupus_> has someone backported gaim 1.1.0 to warty?
[12:27] <lupus_> and firefox?
[12:28] <xare> Hi do you know how long do shipped CDs take to arrive destination inside Europe
[12:28] <xare> ?
[12:29] <mjr> I don't know, but I haven't gotten mine yet
[12:29] <Lathiat> xare: If you read the FAQ, delivery times can not be guaranteed, nor does canonical have any more information other than the time it began production, which is provided if you login to shipit
[12:29] <xare> thanks
[12:29] <xare> something else I found some mistakes in the basque language translation
[12:30] <Lathiat> xare: For which application?
[12:30] <xare> How can I contribute to get them fixed?
[12:30] <xare> in gnome
[12:30] <xare> in the installation
[12:30] <Lathiat> which part of gnome?
[12:30] <xare> Is there a group working on that?
[12:30] <xare> I do not remember exactly where I met these mistakes
[12:30] <Lathiat> there are different groups for different things, if you can tell me where specifically i can help point you in the right direction
[12:30] <Lathiat> but the whole gnome desktop has a translation team
[12:31] <Lathiat> but it doesn't include all the applications (but it includes some of them)
[12:31] <Lathiat> look on gnome.org, should have information
[12:31] <xare> But have you got any contact with the basque language translation group?
[12:31] <Lathiat> as for the installation, i'm not sure where to look for that, have a look on the ubuntu dite ?
[12:31] <xare> I could forward bugs to them
[12:31] <xare> ok thanks...
[12:31] <Lathiat> xare: well theres not a group for basque so much (well, there might be) - but if you read on gnome.org you can get information on helping translations
[12:33] <Kamion> xare: by the end of the conference we should have tools to let you help with this
[12:35] <b00gie> is there any way to use original gnome translations?
[12:37] <Kamion> b00gie: uh ... we do?
[12:37] <Kamion> when available
[12:38] <b00gie> when they are ported to ubuntu? :/
[12:38] <Kamion> they're already part of our packages
[12:38] <Kamion> we don't necessarily have translations for the strings we've changed though
[12:39] <b00gie> no its ok but i cant find greek translations
[12:39] <Kamion> I tested Greek installations in Warty; I got GNOME with Greek translations
[12:40] <Kamion> not the Computer menu, since that's an Ubuntu-specific thing
[12:40] <b00gie> okz
[12:41] <xare> And is there any chance of participating in the conf. or is it too late to susbcribe?
[12:41] <xare> I might go next week
[12:41] <xare> I do not live far
[12:42] <Kinnison> Sure, come along
[12:44] <bob2> just rock up
[12:54] <xare> Hi sorry for the delay
[12:54] <xare> thanks for inviting
[12:54] <xare> Just that I am a user
[12:54] <xare> who knows basics on shell programming but little more
[12:54] <xare> I am learning every day
[12:55] <xare> and the level may to too advanced for me
[12:55] <bob2> well, you can check out the agenda on the wiki and see if there's anything you're niteresting in hearing about
[12:55] <bob2> or contributing to
[12:56] <iz> bob2, why is there not any live streaming from Spain? :)
[12:57] <bob2> heh, think we might be doing that on saturday
[12:57] <iz> cewl
[12:57] <bob2> most of it's just people sitting around and hacking, tho, so not very interesting to watch :)
[12:57] <iz> i know
[12:57] <iz> i saw some nice pictures
[12:58] <koke> hi all
[01:00] <Treenaks> we're now live streaming IRC from Spain ;)
[01:00] <Simira> are we?
[01:01] <iz> Treenaks, lol :)
[01:01] <huwr> Is there any way to check to see if my CDs have been shipped if I ordered them after 12th Nov?
[01:02] <Treenaks> Simira: you're here too right?
[01:02] <bob2> huwr: you can login to the shipit site and see
[01:02] <Simira> Treenaks: yup
[01:02] <topyli> Treenaks: your irc stream is constantly interrupted by hackers around the world though
[01:02] <huwr> bob2, hrm... you certain?
[01:03] <Treenaks> topyli: it's two-way ;)
[01:03] <bob2> huwr: to see if it's been dispatched? yes.
[01:03] <topyli> Treenaks: yeah, very advanced :)
[01:03] <jo> Hello, I have a question concerning Ubuntu and hackers :-) I'm still missing some stuff in Ubuntu that makes Debian a great hacker's workstation. Stuff like Mono for example. Will this be improved with Hoary? I'm curious, which one (Debian or Ubuntu) do the Canonical employees use for their daily hacking?
[01:03] <huwr> bob2, do you mean that I have to enter my 'Token'?
[01:03] <iz> jo mono is on the list
[01:04] <crimsun> jo: mono* are in hoary's universe
[01:05] <huwr> urk...
[01:06] <pland> hello people
[01:06] <iz> ola pland
[01:06] <huwr> Shit, bob2, I don't know what you mean. I think I just ordered another 20 CDs.
[01:06] <jo> iz, crimsun: OK I'll try the universe repositories. I spent quite some time yesterday to install a new Debian unstable system. After basic install, I tried to use udev/hal and alsa instead of oss. Couldn't get alsa to work properly. It's nice to see this stuff pre-configured in Ubuntu. Unfortunately I'm still quite reluctant to completely switch, since I'm not sure how my programming needs are supported by Ubuntu...
[01:06] <shawn> is anyone else having problems with the latest nvidia drivers causing opengl programs to segfault?
[01:07] <bob2> huwr: eh? login.  if you don't have your token, ask for a new password
[01:07] <pland> trying to make a fresh ubuntu box's apache be seen from outside world. nightmare with linksys wifi box attached to adsl box. one's class a the other class b. port forwarding from zoombox just not working...argh
[01:07] <huwr> hrm...
[01:07] <huwr> lame.
[01:07] <bob2> huwr: how so?
[01:07] <huwr> I hope I can cancel these things, I just made a huge mistake.
[01:08] <huwr> lame on my part that is.
[01:08] <bob2> huwr: ah
[01:08] <bob2> huwr: if you can't cancel using the webform, email mako@canonical and explain what you want to happen
[01:08] <Simira> is lunch up yet? You people downstairs?
[01:08] <huwr> canonical.com, you mean?
[01:08] <bob2> huwr: yeah
[01:08] <huwr> k
[01:08] <iz> Simira, tapa's?
[01:09] <bob2> sandwiches!
[01:09] <alexis|awy> coucou
[01:09] <iz> oh nice
[01:09] <Simira> *fetches lunch*
[01:09] <cef> hrm, I wonder where my cd's are
[01:10] <pland> where would you guys look for routing help? what irc channels? not having much luck looking...
[01:10] <cef> actually, even better question.. where did I send the cd's? eek!
[01:10] <huwr> heh
[01:11] <huwr> cef, I'm still not sure what this 'token' thing is that I am using.
[01:12] <douglas> hi people !
[01:13] <huwr> I'm not sure I am doing this right.
[01:13] <douglas> i got pretty happy to know about ubuntu
[01:13] <huwr> Every time I try to update my info, I think it sends me 10 more CDs... :\
[01:13] <douglas> and i wish the best to this new distro
[01:13] <douglas> i saw on the wiki something about the python team
[01:13] <douglas> how to join it ?
[01:14] <huwr> urk, all I wanted to do was update my phone number...
[01:14] <bob2> huwr: email mako
[01:14] <huwr> I think I might.
[01:14] <huwr> hrm... I'm not sure mako will take kindly to me, though.
[01:15] <bob2> why?
[01:15] <Liz> can anyone tell me how to move my taskbar please..i moved it from the top to the side, and now i cant move it back..
[01:16] <Liz> cant resize it
[01:16] <Liz> cant move it
[01:17] <huwr> "Hi, I'm some idiot who accidentally ordered 20 CDs while trying to check on the status of my shipments. By the way, I am also so stupid that I can't check on the status of my shipment. Mind giving me a hand?"
[01:17] <huwr> I'm sure I'll sound most lovely. I'll try it anyway...
[01:17] <bob2> mako loves each and every ubuntu users
[01:17] <huwr> Like Santa Claus?
[01:17] <bob2> Liz: try middle clicking on it
[01:18] <Liz> ahh..there it goes
[01:18] <Liz> thanks
[01:19] <douglas> ubuntu have the same packages from debian ?
[01:19] <douglas> im newbie here
[01:19] <douglas> but want to change from slackware to ubuntu most because python
[01:19] <huwr> douglas, I believe so...
[01:20] <douglas> ok
[01:21] <bob2> it's the same format
[01:21] <bob2> it's highly recommended that you don't mix them
[01:23] <huwr> is mako male or female, by the way?
[01:24] <spiv> Male.
[01:24] <huwr> Ah.
[01:24] <huwr> Yes. Being called Ben, one would assume so.
[01:24] <Treenaks> yeah, the beard kind of gives that away too
[01:24] <huwr> heh
[01:24] <douglas> by the way
[01:24] <douglas> who is mako ?
[01:24] <huwr> Treenaks, unless he is a dwarf.
[01:25] <huwr> douglas, the guy who is going to (well, hopefully going to) help me with my order queries.
[01:25] <Kinnison> mjg59: ping?
[01:26] <douglas> okz :)
[01:26] <mjg59> kingsley_: Hi
[01:30] <mjg59> Kinnison: Hi
[01:30] <mjg59> (bloody tab complete)
[01:35] <Kinnison> mjg59: I'm working with cenerentola to see about PM stuff on a tosh satellite M30-154
[01:36] <Kinnison> It's a nvidia crock
[01:36] <douglas> ah
[01:43] <catdog> mjg59 around?
[01:43] <mjg59> Kinnison: Haha
[01:44] <douglas> is there any brazilian portuguese project on ubuntu ?
[01:44] <mjg59> I'll be playing with an Nvidia Toshiba tomorrow
[01:44] <douglas> translations and so on ?
[01:44] <mjg59> Kinnison: What's the issue?
[01:44] <mjg59> catdog: Yup
[01:47] <catdog> mjg59: hi. Was having a few problems with suspend to disk when I wasn't networked (it would just give up sometimes). Setting a static ip seems to have sorted it though.
[01:48] <mjg59> catdog: Unf. Yes, it tries to take the interface down, which involves it sending DHCP-releases
[01:48] <mjg59> Hm. Need to try to work out a way around that.
[01:49] <crevette> Hello
[01:49] <Kinnison> mjg59: no /sys/power/disk is one
[01:50] <crevette> I found a bug that happen during warty installation
[01:50] <Kinnison> mjg59: need to use the nv driver which doesn't drive the screen at the higher resolutions proper
[01:50] <Kinnison> mjg59: and various other bits which I'll relate after I've rebooted
[01:50] <crevette> against which component can I openthe bug report ?
[01:50] <mjg59> Kinnison: No /sys/power/disk ?
[01:51] <Kinnison> indeed
[01:51] <lamont_r> crevette: what's the bug?
[01:51] <Kinnison> I'll get you a pile of diagnostics when I've rebooted
[01:51] <crevette> lamont_r: I enter a fqdn for my system during that install
[01:52] <lamont_r> and?
[01:52] <crevette> and after I saw that in the file /etc/mailname, the name of my system was hostname.dn.dn
[01:53] <lamont_r> what's in /etc/hostname?
[01:53] <crevette> lamont_r: no, in hostname it t is just the hostname only
[01:54] <crevette> s/no, in hostname it t/there/
[01:54] <lamont_r> base config in ubuntu's bts
[01:55] <crevette> thanks lamont_r
[01:55] <Kamion> don't do that then :-)
[01:56] <Kamion> er, if you type in an fqdn netcfg should reject it hard
[01:56] <lamont_r> crevette: it tells you to type it in without the domain component...
[01:56] <Kamion> oh, no, the text just LIES
[01:59] <crevette> lamont_r: so where can I give the domain name ?
[01:59] <crevette> the installer didn't request it ?
[02:00] <Kamion> it's asked at a lower priority 'cos I lost that argument
[02:04] <wood1> Hi to all
[02:04] <wood1> Is there an Expert in MySQL somewhere in this room ?
[02:05] <wood1> Amaranth, how are you ?
[02:05] <wood1> bob2 ?
[02:05] <Amaranth> wood1: try #mysql
[02:05] <wood1> How do I start Mysql in Ubuntu ?
[02:05] <bob2> it starts as soon as you install it
[02:06] <wood1> Well how do I know if it's up or installed in the 1st place ?
[02:06] <bob2> did you install it?
[02:06] <rory__> heh
[02:07] <egli> apitute search mysql should give you a hint
[02:07] <wood1> So to cut the story short, how do I manually start mysql
[02:07] <rory__> typo
[02:07] <egli> s/apitute/aptitude/
[02:07] <rory__> /etc/init.d/mysql start
[02:07] <mjg59> Kinnison: Ping?
[02:08] <wood1> OK MySql is not installed in my system
[02:08] <Kinnison> mjg59: we're gonna get lspci stuffs etc
[02:08] <wood1> How do I install it MySql in Ubuntu using: apt-get install ?
[02:08] <Kinnison> mjg59: meet cenerentola
[02:08] <mjg59> Kinnison: Still no /sys/power/disk ?
[02:08] <Kinnison> cenerentola: give mjg59 things like dmesg and lspci output
[02:09] <bob2> wood1: the short story is you don't need to manually start it
[02:09] <bob2> wood1: the name of the package is mysql-server
[02:09] <wood1> Thanks bob2
[02:10] <wood1> It's now installing
[02:10] <mjg59> Kinnison: There should be no situation in which /sys/power/disk doesn't exist, except for the wrong kernel being used
[02:10] <wood1> Where will Ubuntu be without you guys out in this chatroom ?
[02:10] <wood1> Thumbs Up to all
[02:10] <Kinnison> mjg59: I'm only saying what I see
[02:11] <Ng> I have no /sys/power/disk if that means anything ;)
[02:11] <mjg59> Kinnison: What's /proc/version ?
[02:11] <Kinnison> mjg59: He has rebooted into 2.6.8.1 so he can have nvidia so he can read his screen
[02:11] <mjg59> Kinnison: Uh. There's a linux-restricted-modules deb alongside my kernel one
[02:12] <Kinnison> mjg59: and it gives "invalid format" or something
[02:12] <mjg59> How weird
[02:12] <Kinnison> mjg59: when you modprobe nvidia
[02:12] <mjg59> Ok. In any case, there's no expectation of working suspend/resume using the nvidia drivers
[02:12] <Kinnison> Mmm
[02:12] <Kinnison> Oddly, his lid button doesn't work in X either
[02:12] <mjg59> If nv isn't working, then that's a Xorg bug
[02:14] <mjg59> cenerentola: Are you on Hoary or Warty?
[02:14] <cenerentola> hoary
[02:15] <cenerentola> because "i didnt warty't"...ok im stupid
[02:15] <mjg59> cenerentola: Ah, ok. You've probably got the hoary 2.6.9 kernel, not mine
[02:15] <Kinnison> they downloaded from your site
[02:16] <Kinnison> apparently
[02:16] <Kinnison> although we can check
[02:16] <mjg59> Kinnison: Hoary has a -2 now. Mine's only a -1
[02:16] <mjg59> -3 has all the sweet, sweet crack in it
[02:16] <Kinnison> mjg59: aaah; poopy
[02:16] <Kinnison> mjg59: So we should wait for -3?
[02:16] <mjg59> Yeah. Fabbione's building it now
[02:16] <fabbione> almost done
[02:16] <fabbione> it's linking the modules on the last build on the last arch
[02:16] <fabbione> basically it's done
[02:17] <mjg59> fabbione: The new initrd-tools is in?
[02:17] <Kinnison> fabbione: oooooh
[02:17] <fabbione> mjg59: yup
[02:18] <fabbione> mjg59: 0.1.75ubuntu2
[02:18] <fabbione> and i depend on it
[02:18] <mjg59> Rocking
[02:18] <joshua__> are there any known issues in warty with usb devices?
[02:18] <fabbione>    . Bump dependcy on initrd-tools to >= 0.1.75ubuntu2 to ensure that the
[02:18] <fabbione>       newly generated initrd images will contain the proper init script for
[02:18] <fabbione>       swsusp.
[02:18] <mjg59> I kiss you
[02:18] <Kinnison> fabbione: are your 2.6.9 kernels good wrt. usb storage?
[02:19] <fabbione> Kinnison: -1 was borked. -2 >= are ok
[02:19] <Kinnison> fabbione: Do they install cleanly on warty?
[02:19] <Kinnison> Or do I need hoary initrd-tools?
[02:19] <joshua__> err... sorry, are there any known issues in hoary with usb devices?
[02:19] <fabbione> Kinnison: you need to backport initrd
[02:19] <Kinnison> fabbione: *nod*
[02:19] <fabbione> joshua__: what kernel version?
[02:19] <fabbione> Kinnison: but yeah.. they will install
[02:20] <bob2> joshua__: with 2.6.9-1 kernels, yes
[02:21] <Kinnison> fabbione: You're a babe
[02:21] <fabbione> Kinnison: i am only your babe ;)
[02:22] <douglas> he
[02:22] <joshua__> bob2, whatever kernel version hoary has
[02:22] <fabbione> joshua__: no. be specific... uname -a
[02:22] <colleenj> bbiab - need to reboot
[02:22] <fabbione> there are 2 kernels in hoary atm
[02:22] <fabbione> so we need to know which one you are running
[02:22] <joshua__> fabbione, im not on hoary right now.... i had to install warty to get something working
[02:22] <Kinnison> fabbione: I think my partner might argue with you there :-)
[02:22] <fabbione> Kinnison: ehehhe
[02:23] <bob2> joshua__: depends when you upgraded
[02:23] <joshua__> bob2, its 2.6.8.1-3-686
[02:23] <joshua__> bob2, thats whats in my /boot on the hoary partition
[02:24] <mjg59> joshua__: That should be fine with USB
[02:24] <fabbione> joshua__: yeah... indeed..
[02:24] <fabbione> that one is ok
[02:24] <fabbione> and 2.6.9 has been fixed
[02:24] <joshua__> well its not completely broken... i can still use certain ones, but those are the ones that had native support...
[02:25] <joshua__> it doesn't detect certain devices
[02:25] <fabbione> that's not a BUG
[02:25] <fabbione> it's a limitation
[02:25] <fabbione> or missing implementation
[02:25] <joshua__> one of which was detected before some update i did in hoary, and one of which works in warty
[02:26] <joshua__> yea, puzzling aint it?
[02:26] <fabbione> the kernel 2.6.8 is the same in warty as in hoary
[02:26] <fabbione> so it's not a kernel problem
[02:26] <fabbione> it must be hotplug or something that has lost these information
[02:27] <joshua__> thats what i was assuming
[02:27] <fabbione> you said kernel... there is an abyss in the middle
[02:27] <joshua__> i never said it was a kernel issue
[02:28] <fabbione> right
[02:28] <tritium> No matter how many times I kill/restart gnome-panel, I get no menus/applets, or anything.
[02:28] <tritium> hoary is a little rougher around the the edges than debian unstable
[02:28] <joshua__> brb
[02:29] <rory__> well its probably broken then
[02:29] <fabbione> tritium: /topic
[02:29] <fabbione> the panel is broken and it will be fixed
[02:29] <fabbione> it's an expected breakage
[02:30] <tritium> fabbione, so I should have a completely blank panel right now?
[02:30] <fabbione> tritium: possibly
[02:30] <tritium> Without apt-listbugs, I don't know how to keep on top of "expected breakage"
[02:31] <fabbione> tritium: you shouldn't be running hoary if you don't want to deal with breakage in general
[02:31] <tritium> fabbione, I don't mind dealing with it.  I'd like to know how to be informed about it.  In debian, apt-listbugs was a lifesaver.
[02:32] <bob2> \/win54
[02:33] <joshua__> fabbione, any ideas on the problem?
[02:33] <tritium> further, I need octave-forge and latex-beamer >= 3.0, so I can't run warty
[02:34] <fabbione> tritium: no, but it's not a kernel problem and that makes me more than happy :-)))
[02:34] <fabbione> ops
[02:34] <fabbione> that was for joshua__
[02:34] <tritium> no problem
[02:37] <fabbione> Uploading via ftp linux-source-2.6.9_2.6.9-3_source.changes: done.
[02:37] <fabbione> Successfully uploaded packages.
[02:37] <fabbione> THERE
[02:37] <fabbione> GET THE CRACK
[02:37] <fabbione> :P
[02:37] <mjg59> Haha
[02:38] <tritium> fabbione, what's the ubuntu way of tracking bugs since apt-listbugs does not work with bugzilla?
[02:38] <fabbione> now.. someone sends me BEER
[02:38] <bob2> it's 1440
[02:38] <bob2> I wonder if the bar is open?
[02:38] <bob2> or is this breakfast time in spain?
[02:38] <fabbione> tritium: nothing like that... we only have bugzilla atm
[02:38] <fabbione> afaik there were some discussions about it
[02:38] <joshua__> its only 0840 here, but considering it is miami im sure the bars are open
[02:38] <fabbione> but hounestly i can't remember the outcome
[02:39] <tritium> Okay.  I'll have to figure out how to browse if efficiently to find the expected breakages.
[02:40] <fabbione> tritium: expected breakage are discussed either on the mailing list (the panel was)
[02:40] <fabbione> or on #ubuntu-devel
[02:40] <tritium> fabbione, Okay, thanks.  I'll subscribe.
[02:40] <joshua__> bah... i can't get my printer to print
[02:41] <huwr> poor joshua__
[02:41] <joshua__> i need these directions
[02:44] <joshua__> bah... ill jsut print em out at school
[02:44] <faxons> joshua__: how is the printer connected? tcp/ip parallel or usb?
[02:44] <joshua__> faxons, usb... its connected and my computer sees it
[02:45] <joshua__> faxons, nevermind... i dont have time to figure it out... my friend is printing for me
[02:45] <joshua__> thanks anyways
[02:45] <adam_> does anyone have cvs dbus .debs?
[02:45] <faxons> joshua__: cool
[02:45] <daniels> adam_: thomboy does
[02:45] <adam_> daniels: how would i get them?
[02:46] <daniels> why do you want them -- beagle?
[02:46] <adam_> yep
[02:47] <daniels> i'll get to doing them for hoary
[02:47] <daniels> give me an hour or so
[02:48] <adam_> thanks
[02:50] <Amaranth> sweet, gnome is using the fd.o menu specification now
[02:50] <Amaranth> it completely changes the menus but for the better
[02:51] <tritium> shoot, I can't reply to my ubuntu mailing list subscriptions since evolution-2.2 is broken (can't authenticate to SMPT server)
[02:51] <tritium> ah, I'll visit the webpage
[02:52] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[02:52] <Amaranth> except that you can't remove things from the menus
[02:52] <Treenaks> tritium: it can
[02:53] <tritium> Treenaks, what can do what?
[02:53] <Treenaks> tritium: you have to re-set the setting though, and not change anything in the same dialog
[02:53] <Treenaks> tritium: evo, auth, smtp
[02:53] <tritium> hmm, seb128 pointed out the bug to me yesterday
[02:53] <tritium> so there's a trick to it?
[02:53] <Treenaks> I can auth just fine with the current hoary version
[02:53] <Treenaks> just open the SMTP auth tab in the account dialog
[02:54] <tritium> Treenaks, I'll give it a try.  Thanks for pointing it out.
[02:54] <Treenaks> and set it the way you want
[02:54] <Treenaks> then press OK, dont change anything else in the dialog
[02:54] <tritium> Treenaks, I need to add a :port# to the end of the server too...
[02:54] <Treenaks> ah ok
[02:54] <Treenaks> that might be b0rken, yes
[02:55] <tritium> okay, but thanks for the tip!
[02:58] <tritium> Treenaks, that's good that it works for you, but I tried it with no luck.
[02:59] <tritium> Thanks again, though.
[03:00] <Simira> someone's mobile is ringing in salon Cristal
[03:00] <bob2> haha
[03:00] <bob2> oh, there you are
[03:00] <Simira> black bag, right by Toshiba laptop
[03:00] <Simira> yep, here I am
[03:01] <Simira> care to sign me?
[03:01] <Simira> I'm leaving before the party :-/
[03:01] <bob2> sure
[03:07] <wood1> Amaranth, can you teach me how to configure a Mail Server ?
[03:07] <Amaranth> nope
[03:07] <wood1> how about you bob2 ?
[03:07] <Amaranth> never done it
[03:07] <Amaranth> wood1: I'm going to have to call a RTFM here.
[03:08] <wood1> Amaranth, Do you have ideas regarding Linux PC Clustering ?
[03:08] <Kamion> these are beginning to sound like homework questions
[03:09] <Synek> ;>
[03:09] <Amaranth> wood1: never done that either
[03:09] <wood1> Ha Ha
[03:09] <Amaranth> there is a linux distro designed for it though
[03:09] <bob2> wood1: there's are pretty advanced topics
[03:09] <Amaranth> a variant of knoppix
[03:09] <Quazion> wood1, i suggest for clustering openmosix i guess openmosix.org
[03:10] <wood1> Well I have got a dozen P II PCs which are lying mostly useless and I really want to run a Linux PC Cluster with those PCs
[03:10] <wood1> What was that?  openmosix
[03:10] <Amaranth> wood1: Unless you have a very specific thing you need to know about one of those topics I'd suggest you RTFM or get paid support from someone. Those could take hours to explain.
[03:10] <Quazion> open mosix is a kernel add on that makes the system function as an SMP machine
[03:11] <Quazion> http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/
[03:11] <wood1> Can I install that with:   apt-get install     ???
[03:11] <Quazion> no idea
[03:11] <Amaranth> uh
[03:12] <wood1> Thanks Quazion for the link
[03:12] <Amaranth> wood1: I really don't think you know what you're getting yourself in to.
[03:12] <wood1> I really have to prove to my system administrator that I am also capable of something good
[03:13] <Synek> buy him a lower ;)
[03:13] <Synek> Mam przerwe na tosty, mowcie do mnie
[03:14] <Synek> ughh, sorry, i mean flower
[03:14] <wood1> Quazion, will 12 Pentium II PCs be faster than a Dell Server with 4 processors ?
[03:14] <Amaranth> wood1: http://mcaserta.com/openMosix-for-drones/
[03:14] <Amaranth> I doubt it, depends on the systems.
[03:14] <Ng> are 14 ballet dancers better than a weight lifter?
[03:15] <Ng> it's not an answerable question
[03:15] <Amaranth> hehe
[03:15] <Ng> it depends entirely on what you want to do
[03:15] <bob2> 12 pentium 2s would usually be beaten by a dual xeon sort of thing
[03:15] <Amaranth> he has a point there, clusters are used for different things
[03:15] <bob2> if you're hopinh to build a super computer out of old p2's, sorry to disappoint you...
[03:16] <wood1> Well you never know,
[03:16] <wood1> Have anyone of you tried it before ???
[03:16] <Amaranth> well, if the quad processor machine was 4 P4s at 1.6Ghz or something and all the P2s were 500Mhz you might stand a chance
[03:16] <Amaranth> simply because the P4 is weak below somewhere around 2.2Ghz because of the design
[03:17] <wood1> Amaranth, thanks for the morale booster
[03:17] <Amaranth> so, what are the specs on the P2s and the quad machine?
[03:17] <JaRi> hi everyone
[03:18] <Amaranth> if its 4 P4s anywhere above 2.0Ghz I can almost promise you the cluster won't be as good
[03:18] <Amaranth> if it's Xeon then you're really screwed
[03:18] <Amaranth> hehe
[03:19] <Amaranth> wood1: http://mcaserta.com/openMosix-for-drones/ <--"the ultimate start-up guide for openMosix newbies"
[03:19] <ermo> Ng, P2 and ballet dancers? Interesting analogy ;)
[03:19] <wood1> Well that P II are mostly 400 MHz with 192 MB of RAM
[03:19] <Ng> ermo: I just wanted to clearly illustrate the unanswerability of the question ;)
[03:20] <ermo> Ng, hehe
[03:20] <Amaranth> so ha! i answered that one
[03:20] <wood1> Well the Dell Servers are mostly 2.2 GHz with 2 GB of Ram
[03:21] <Amaranth> wait, it's 4 seperate dell servers with 1 processor each?
[03:21] <ermo> wood1, actually, your ieee fp performance /could/ be better, if you can split your job intelligently. OTOH, if your algorithm can be implented using SSE2, then ... I don't know.
[03:21] <wood1> No there are a couple of Dell Servers with 4 CPUs each
[03:21] <Amaranth> 2.2Ghz is where the P4 line started showing it was worth something. On top of that it's probably a Xeon which has more cache so it performs even better.
[03:22] <wood1> But I don't know if they are clustered
[03:22] <Amaranth> If they are then you should just toss these machines into that cluster
[03:22] <JaRi> anyone available to answer a question about a webmin installation gone wrong?
[03:22] <wood1> So can the 12 P II PCs beat the 1 Dell Quad Server ?
[03:23] <Ng> maybe
[03:23] <wood1> Let's not put 12 dancers Vs 1 Weight lifter
[03:23] <boodle> Greetings.. hoping someone can help me with an x.org (using hoary) mouse question... My mouse seems pretty jerky (doesn not move smoothly)... is this a known issue with x.org..any ideas?
[03:23] <Ng> wood1: it depends on the exact job you are giving the cluster
[03:23] <Ng> you literally cannot ask the question you just asked and expect a sane answer :)
[03:24] <wood1> Letter's compare 1 David Beckam Vs 12 ordinary football players
[03:24] <Amaranth> it depends on the applications you're running on it
[03:24] <Amaranth> some things are better with SMP and some are better with clusters
[03:24] <ermo> wood1, it's not a 'single-dimensional' question, really.
[03:24] <Amaranth> the ones better with clusters are either designed for them or someone got really lucky :P
[03:24] <wood1> Let's say that I just want to run a  Apache Web Server
[03:25] <bob2> then mosix is a bad solution
[03:25] <Amaranth> eww
[03:25] <bob2> and the dells will spank you thoroughly
[03:25] <Amaranth> do a DNS round robin
[03:25] <Treenaks> wood1: apt-get install apache
[03:25] <Treenaks> wood1: done!
[03:26] <Amaranth> Treenaks: apt-get install apache2 ;)
[03:26] <Treenaks> yeah yeah
[03:26] <Amaranth> Treenaks: only for mod_python, of course :)
[03:27] <Treenaks> :)
[03:31] <pastyhermit> ubuntu is nice
[03:31] <Gwildor|Work> yes
[03:31] <pastyhermit> though it did crash on me for the first time in months yesterday
[03:31] <pastyhermit> far better than windows ever did hehe.
[03:31] <catdog> Is it normal for a usb hard drive enclosure not to like any filesystem other then FAT or NTFS?
[03:33] <bestadvocate> yah i managed to crash it twice using firefox (keybord stoped regestering anything at all) i might have used to much memory up
[03:33] <Amaranth> bestadvocate: Nah, that isn't really a crash. :P
[03:34] <Amaranth> I've had that happen playing bzflag, usually Ctrl+Alt+F1 still works and I can restart gdm.
[03:34] <Amaranth> Although for most users having X freeze might as well be a crash.
[03:35] <bestadvocate> true but usually ctr+alt +backspace works for restarting it  too
[03:35] <bestadvocate> that was a no-go this time
[03:36] <pastyhermit> catdog, nope, you should be able to put anything you want on it
[03:36] <pastyhermit> heck if you have two enclosures make a RAID array :D
[03:36] <CapNemo> hello :) im interested by this distribution and where i can find a document describing the process of new release and package managment ?
[03:37] <catdog> pastyhermit: hmmm - thanks.
[03:37] <wfx> hi ;-)
[03:38] <tck> lo
[03:40] <wfx> i cant use a printer conected via cups server (is not the local host and it works from other clients)
[03:40] <Kinnison> What in particular is the symptom?
[03:41] <wfx> is setup it with the gnome dialog coputer/system/printer then...
[03:42] <CapNemo> what kind of package system use ubuntu ??
[03:42] <bestadvocate> apt-get debian style package system
[03:42] <bestadvocate> with synaptic if you so chose dude
[03:42] <wfx> i start a testpage and i see that the printer is stoped (printer icon in gnome)
[03:42] <bestadvocate> its nice(one of the reasons i switched)
[03:43] <ruebe> hi
[03:43] <bestadvocate> capnemo: the new releases are on a 6 month scedual i believe
[03:43] <wfx> Kinnison, if you mean me then -> all jobs status is "printer-stoped"
[03:44] <bestadvocate> switch now Mr.Nemo
[03:44] <CapNemo> bestadvocate, and then can i downgrade a package if there is a problem ?
[03:45] <bestadvocate> well you can use the debian universe packages if you have a problem, but your beyond my newb skills already
[03:46] <CapNemo> np :)
[03:46] <CapNemo> thanks :)
[03:49] <trukulo> hi
[04:00] <protocol> hey fellas
[04:00] <protocol> :)
[04:00] <protocol> I believe everyone here has upgraded to hoary?
[04:01] <trukulo> pridkett, so you're wrong
[04:02] <protocol> hey anyone have any idea on why some packages are being held back when I run apt-get upgrade?
[04:02] <falco> protocol: no
[04:03] <Badcel> dependencies
[04:03] <protocol> Badcel: hmm... any idea on what I should do?
[04:03] <falco> at least some of us are using warty
[04:03] <Badcel> apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:03] <Badcel> solves dependencies
[04:03] <protocol> Badcel: same thing when I do that.
[04:04] <Badcel> hm
[04:05] <protocol> Badcel: no clue huh
[04:05] <Badcel> no :)
[04:05] <sgood1971> protocol: apt won't upgrade packages that will break others - man apt-get has " New  versions  of
[04:05] <sgood1971>               currently  installed  packages  that  cannot be upgraded without
[04:05] <sgood1971>               changing the install status of another package will be  left  at
[04:05] <sgood1971>               their current version."
[04:06] <protocol> sgood1971: so in other words, I might have to apt-get remove those packages and install them again
[04:07] <sgood1971> protocol: You could force an upgrade but it may break something I wouldn't remove anything unless I was sure.
[04:07] <protocol> sgood1971: hmm... What do you suggest I do?
[04:07] <protocol> force the upgrade?
[04:08] <_svullen> i have by mistake remove /etc/apache2/*, and if i do apt-get remove apache2, and apt-get install apache2. i dont get the configuration files back
[04:08] <sgood1971> protocol: you should make sure you know what packages are going to be affected before you do anything. Try man apt-get and look around for an apt-get tutorial.
[04:08] <_svullen> anyone has a clue how to get the files back ? :)
[04:09] <protocol> sgood1971: okee dokee will read the apt-get man pages again. :) bbiab. Gonna do some reading
[04:10] <sgood1971> Anyone have a clue where to find drivers for a 82801CA/CAM AC'97 winmodem?
[04:11] <bob2> _svullen: remove it with --purge, then reinstall it
[04:11] <bob2> (it's a feature, not a bug)
[04:15] <wfx> sgood1971, dont know if it does but look here (mybe it help) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/g/gromitkc/winmodem.html
[04:16] <sgood1971> wfx: Thanks for the link, I hadn't found that one yet. Looking at it now.
[04:17] <wfx> :)
[04:20] <ploum> Hi
[04:20] <ploum> Anyone know how to find a eclipse repository ?
[04:20] <ploum> no deb here : http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/e/eclipse/
[04:22] <bob2> pretty sure the wiki has a section on that
[04:35] <benjanet> hi, i lost some files copy/pasting on Nautilus on Ubuntu
[04:35] <benjanet> is there any way to recover them ?
[04:36] <bob2> you deleted them already?
[04:36] <werewolf> Hi all, I know that swat is in universe, but why, even if the 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2_powerpc is in the pool, it isn't in the list of installable package?
[04:36] <benjanet> bob2, they deleted when cut/paste ocurred. for some reason they didnt paste at the destination folder, and where deleted
[04:37] <bob2> werewolf: sure it's not just installable for a different release than the one you're using
[04:38] <ploum> bob2, yes, but I would prefer a package if possible
[04:39] <seb128> ploum, contribution are welcome
[04:40] <seb128> ploum, you can package it
[04:40] <ploum> seb128, of course.
[04:40] <ploum> But why is it an entry in the repository and no deb file ?
[04:41] <benjanet> any ideas ?
[04:41] <Scognito> hi all
[04:42] <moquist> Scognito: hi
[04:42] <Scognito> i havei'm becoming crazy
[04:42] <Scognito> i changed my card from nvidia to g400
[04:43] <Scognito> and now i cannot use my opengl apps
[04:43] <Kamion> werewolf: add 'deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security universe' to /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:43] <Scognito> tuxracer works fine
[04:43] <Scognito> but my applications doesn't
[04:43] <Scognito> i got:
[04:43] <Scognito> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x32
[04:44] <Scognito> and:
[04:44] <Scognito> cubotext: freeglut_window.c:300: fgOpenWindow: Assertion `window->Window.VisualInfo != ((void *)0)' failed.
[04:44] <daniels> stop using composite?
[04:44] <Scognito> ?
[04:44] <Scognito> i'm using hoary, and i reverted to Xfree for other probs
[04:45] <Scognito> i don't have composite option in my XF86Config-4
[04:45] <werewolf> Kamion: damn! i put multiverse and not universe! thanks!
[04:45] <Scognito> I've also enabled glcore, dri, and glx
[04:45] <seb128> ploum, because it failed to build on the autobuilder, you can grab the source package and try to make it working
[04:46] <Scognito> some hint?
[04:46] <Kamion> werewolf: base-config in hoary puts an entry like that in commented out; I didn't realise before warty that it was going to be an issue
[04:47] <ploum> seb128, ok thanks..
[04:55] <[BTM] gee> ive got a problem with my resolution, wont change to 1600x1200 even with xrandr -s 1600x1200. Someone that can help me out?:)
[04:56] <adam_> daniels: got any dbus debs?
[04:56] <adam_> :)
[04:56] <Scognito> re
[04:56] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: Ubuntu doesn't think your display can go that high so it didn't setup X to allow it.
[04:56] <daniels> adam_: not yet, sorry, been distrcated
[04:56] <Scognito> does dri/3d/opengl works with Xorg and Matrox g400 ?
[04:57] <adam_> np
[04:57] <[BTM] gee> Amaranth ok, well i did put 1600x1200 in XF86 etc
[04:57] <Amaranth> oh?
[04:57] <[BTM] gee> what else is there to do?:)
[04:57] <Amaranth> that should be it
[04:57] <mjr> Scognito, IIRC, it should, but that info is second hand
[04:57] <[BTM] gee> heh
[04:57] <[BTM] gee> fack..
[04:57] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: I'd tell you where to go for the GNOME resolution changer app but hoary just got GNOME's new menu layout
[04:58] <Amaranth> so mine is different
[04:58] <Scognito> damn
[04:58] <[BTM] gee> oh k
[04:58] <mjr> The DRI pages seem to say that G400 is supported: http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Matrox?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardware
[04:58] <ar0x> but not with Xinerama  ...
[04:58] <Scognito> mjr, it works with Xfree
[04:59] <Scognito> don't know if it works on xorg
[04:59] <ar0x> i never tested with Xorg
[04:59] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: It's in one of the Comptuter submenus
[04:59] <Scognito> because i'm having troubles with xorg and xfree
[04:59] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: Called Screen Resolution, iirc
[04:59] <[BTM] gee> yepp ive been there alot of times, but it wont change hhe
[04:59] <Amaranth> oh
[04:59] <Scognito> i want to reinstall xfree (i had xorg)
[04:59] <[BTM] gee> strange of hell
[04:59] <Scognito> but xlibmesa* is only for xorg
[04:59] <Scognito> ii  xlibmesa-gl                  6.8.1-1ubuntu5               Mesa 3D graphics library [X.Org] 
[04:59] <superted> Doesn't base-config set up grub during the install ?
[04:59] <Scognito> i want [Xfree] 
[04:59] <Scognito> :(
[04:59] <Scognito> i'm using hoary
[05:00] <Amaranth> Scognito: Why do you want Xfree?
[05:00] <Amaranth> Scognito: x.org is a fork of Xfree so it's mostly the same thing.
[05:00] <Scognito> because i got problem with 3d in xorg
[05:00] <Scognito> Amaranth, do you have g400?
[05:00] <Amaranth> Scognito: I bet textures are messing up, right?
[05:00] <Scognito> no
[05:01] <Amaranth> oh
[05:01] <[BTM] gee> thanks anyway Amaranth :)
[05:01] <Scognito> i cannot launch 3d apps with xorg
[05:01] <Scognito> because i changed my card from nvidia to g400
[05:01] <Scognito> and something is broken now
[05:01] <Amaranth> Because mesa changed and the dri drivers haven't all caught up so that causes some issues.
[05:01] <[BTM] gee> should do if just put in 1600x1200 in XF86config-4 under depth 24 right?
[05:01] <Amaranth> Scognito: Did you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[05:01] <Scognito> but with xfree i got tuxracer working but my opengl apps don't
[05:01] <Scognito> Amaranth, yes
[05:02] <Scognito> i retry to install xorg
[05:02] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: Try putting it in as the only resolution for 24, 16, 8, 4, 2, etc
[05:02] <Amaranth> I don't remember how low it does.
[05:02] <Scognito> but i think i'll have same problems
[05:02] <Amaranth> Scognito: What error do you get when you try to launch a 3D app?
[05:02] <Scognito> with xorg?
[05:02] <Amaranth> Scognito: Does glxgears work?
[05:02] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:02] <Scognito> with xorg i don't remember
[05:02] <Scognito> gl extension missing
[05:03] <Scognito> even if i enabled it in my conf
[05:03] <Scognito> btw apt-get install xserver-xorg is ok?
[05:03] <flip> *dumb question* is jigit newer then 4.10?
[05:03] <Amaranth> Scognito: No, wait.
[05:03] <Amaranth> If you've added it and it isn't loaded then it's failing.
[05:04] <Scognito> for now i have xfree
[05:04] <Scognito> and 3d almost works
[05:04] <BockBilbo> hello
[05:04] <BockBilbo> wh
[05:04] <Amaranth> hey BockBilbo
[05:04] <BockBilbo> hello Amaranth
[05:04] <BockBilbo> :D
[05:04] <BockBilbo> can anyone explain me in what sense does ubuntu improve debian?
[05:05] <BockBilbo> im thinking on switching to ubuntu
[05:05] <Quazion> in my experience its a workable system out of the box based on debian and gnome
[05:05] <jolg> BockBilbo: It's brown ;-)
[05:05] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: It provides a stable release every 6 months instead of every 3 years. :P
[05:05] <BockBilbo> hehe
[05:05] <farruinn> BlockBilbo, I used to use Debian, but I like Ubuntu because of the stable releases that aren't years behind current versions
[05:05] <Quazion> i switched my work pc from windows in a day and it just works :)
[05:05] <Scognito> Amaranth, try to reinstall xorg
[05:05] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, and does it work similar to debian?
[05:05] <Quazion> other distro's made me config lots or had to many options
[05:06] <Amaranth> And each new release should come with the latest GNOME.
[05:06] <Amaranth> yes
[05:06] <BockBilbo> so, i guess it has apt, right?
[05:06] <Quazion> yes
[05:06] <Quazion> but the gui synaptic works like a charm also :)
[05:06] <BockBilbo> and is it possible to compile the kernel as it is on debian?
[05:07] <BockBilbo> :D
[05:07] <Quazion> no idea sorry, but i guess so
[05:07] <Amaranth> of course
[05:07] <BockBilbo> :)
[05:07] <Amaranth> it's a stock kernel
[05:07] <BockBilbo> mm interesting
[05:07] <BockBilbo> what do you mean by a "stock kernel"?
[05:08] <flip> which ubuntu is "newer" jigit or the 4.10 release?
[05:08] <Synek> Yes, you can simply install yours prev kernel debs
[05:08] <flip> is jigit like "testing"?
[05:08] <Amaranth> it doesn't have silly patches in it like redhat ones do that break things if you compile your own kernel
[05:08] <BockBilbo> oh.. interesting
[05:08] <BockBilbo> and how about the installation, is it more user-friendly?
[05:08] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: Basically they take the good things from Debian, add the latest GNOME and a little polish and release it.
[05:09] <Amaranth> its pretty much the same as the sarge installer
[05:09] <BockBilbo> ohhh
[05:09] <Amaranth> text based but it pretty much does everything for you
[05:09] <BockBilbo> ok.. so i guess that if i like debian, and gnome, i would love ubuntu, right?
[05:10] <netmonk_> BockBilbo, i had not tryed Debian, and I used kde and now I love Ubuntu
[05:10] <BockBilbo> hehe
[05:10] <Kamion> flip: jigit isn't a release
[05:10] <[BTM] gee> haha Amaranth, now that i did what you said. to put only 1600x1200 in XF86config-4 X find 1400x1050 ?:)
[05:10] <Kamion> flip: it's a download method
[05:10] <flip> oh ok
[05:10] <flip> are there any mirrors?
[05:11] <flip> im only getting like 60kbps off the US mirror
[05:11] <Kosai> 'lo Kamion.  How's the conference?
[05:11] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: That is rather odd...
[05:11] <BockBilbo> is it possible to use another window manager?
[05:11] <Kamion> flip: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[05:11] <BockBilbo> like wmaker, fluxbox, kde, etc?
[05:11] <[BTM] gee> Amaranth no shit:D
[05:11] <darren> Does warty have Java JRE installed?
[05:11] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: Are you sure you can go that high?
[05:11] <flip> thanks Kamion
[05:11] <Kamion> Kosai: pretty good, hectic :)
[05:11] <[BTM] gee> heh....yepp
[05:11] <Amaranth> darren: No, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:11] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: You can use whatever you want, yeah.
[05:11] <[BTM] gee> think i had 1600x1200 75hz
[05:12] <BockBilbo> ohh
[05:12] <BockBilbo> great
[05:12] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: odd
[05:12] <[BTM] gee> now it only has 1400x1050 in 60hz, worse part is that it added 2 1400x1050 in xrandr
[05:12] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: I blame the driver.
[05:12] <BockBilbo> and... does it work good with laptops?
[05:12] <[BTM] gee> me2!
[05:12] <[BTM] gee> :)
[05:12] <flip> ubuntu comes w/ gnome 2.8?
[05:12] <superted> yes
[05:12] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: As good as can be expected. :p
[05:12] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: I believe that's mostly a kernel thing.
[05:12] <netmonk_> BockBilbo, i'm with toshiba and it's great
[05:13] <darren> Amaranth, does it have GTK installed?
[05:13] <Amaranth> Yes...
[05:13] <BockBilbo> mm interesting
[05:13] <Kamion> flip: I've made jigit not show up in the index of http://releases.ubuntu.com/ any more; thanks for mentioning that
[05:14] <BockBilbo> netmonk_, are you using it with an intel centrino?
[05:14] <Scognito> i've done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:14] <Amaranth> Kamion: What is jigit?
[05:14] <Amaranth> Is it that Debian download tool?
[05:14] <Scognito> does the file /etc/X11/xorg will be overwritten?
[05:15] <netmonk_> BockBilbo, no i'm not with centrino
[05:15] <__learner__> do you know how can I install OpenOffice in my native language?
[05:16] <[BTM] gee> Amaranth the problem began when my friend did a new kernel...maybe he forgott something when he did the new one?:)
[05:16] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: Kernel shouldn't change X.
[05:16] <Amaranth> What kind of video card do you have?
[05:16] <[BTM] gee> hm true
[05:16] <darren> Thanks for the help Amaranth :)
[05:16] <[BTM] gee> gf4ti4600
[05:16] <Kamion> Amaranth: it's a wrapper around jigdo, which is used for Debian CD images yes
[05:16] <Kamion> Amaranth: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JigdoDownloadHowto
[05:17] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, his friend might have unselected the graphic card info on the kernel
[05:17] <Kamion> it's most useful for daily CD images right now, particularly if you also have a local mirror
[05:17] <[BTM] gee> hm
[05:17] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: Oh, then it is a kernel thing.
[05:17] <[BTM] gee> because it worked just fine before
[05:17] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: You need to rerun the nVidia driver installer.
[05:17] <[BTM] gee> already did that
[05:17] <Scognito> Amaranth, i've xorg now
[05:17] <[BTM] gee> same shitty problem
[05:17] <Scognito> same problem as xfree
[05:18] <Scognito> tuxracer and glxgears works
[05:18] <Scognito> dri is enabled
[05:18] <Scognito> but i got tons of "libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23"
[05:18] <[BTM] gee> oh well, ill just kill my friend if he doesnt get it back to normal by tomorrow:)
[05:18] <Scognito> and my gl apps won't start
[05:18] <[BTM] gee> thx for your help
[05:18] <Amaranth> Scognito: run glxinfo | grep 'direct rendering'
[05:19] <Scognito> it is enabled
[05:19] <Amaranth> no clue
[05:19] <Scognito> and i got the libgl warning too
[05:19] <Scognito> direct rendering: Yes
[05:19] <Scognito> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI G400 20030328 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE
[05:20] <Amaranth> mine is Mesa DRI Radeon 20030328 AGP 1x x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE NO-TCL so i don't know how to help you :P
[05:21] <Scognito> :(
[05:21] <Scognito> tnx anyway
[05:21] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, would you say ubuntu is more user-friendly than debian?
[05:21] <Amaranth> yes
[05:21] <BockBilbo> mmm
[05:21] <BockBilbo> interesting
[05:21] <netmonk_> does anyone know how do I check the status of my cd request on ubuntulinux.org?
[05:21] <Amaranth> you don't have to pick and choose your way to a usable desktop
[05:22] <Amaranth> it just happens
[05:22] <Amaranth> netmonk_: Does it say they've shipped?
[05:22] <Scognito> netmonk_, how cost the shipping?
[05:22] <Scognito> how much i mean
[05:22] <Synek> It's free
[05:22] <Scognito> everything?
[05:23] <Scognito> 0$ and cd at home?
[05:23] <Amaranth> Yes, they are very nice. :)
[05:23] <Synek> Yup.
[05:23] <netmonk_> Amaranth, no - it shows the number of the cds requested
[05:23] <Amaranth> But don't abuse it.
[05:23] <Amaranth> netmonk_: Then they haven't shipped yet.
[05:23] <Scognito> and who pay it?
[05:23] <bob2> Scognito: Canonical is paying for it.
[05:23] <netmonk_> oh, no!
[05:23] <netmonk_> I
[05:23] <rye> I like Ubuntu but I'm a little disappointed that so many of the Mozilla products are not being updated to current versions.  Are we going to have to wait until Hoary to get these packages updated?
[05:23] <Scognito> compliment to them
[05:23] <bob2> netmonk_: login to shipit.ubuntulinux.org to check the ststus
[05:23] <Amaranth> our friendly astronaut is footing the bill ;)
[05:23] <netmonk_> I'm checking my mailbox twice a day
[05:23] <bob2> rye: dude, it's a stable release
[05:23] <bob2> rye: stable = not changing
[05:24] <rye> bob2: Ok, that makes sense.
[05:24] <bob2> rye: if you want unstable stuff, you can use hoary now
[05:24] <farruinn> rye, if you add the marillat repository I think you can get firefox 1.0
[05:24] <__learner__> Is there any way to install OpenOffice.org international in ubuntu? I'm a little afraid of downloading tar.gz files an break my system. Is there possibility of my system to be broken because of such a thing?
[05:24] <farruinn> rye, I don't know any of the details though
[05:25] <Amaranth> __learner__: What language do you need?
[05:25] <bob2> __learner__: international = with all language packs?
[05:25] <BockBilbo> _learner_... apt-get install openoffice.org and then install the locales???
[05:25] <__learner__> no, I just want the brazilian one.
[05:25] <farruinn> __learner__, apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-bz ?
[05:25] <__learner__> Can I install just the native language support?
[05:26] <Amaranth> __learner__: That would be portuguese, right?
[05:27] <Amaranth> If so, run sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-pt
[05:27] <__learner__> yes. Brazilian portuguese
[05:27] <farruinn> oh, sorry =)
[05:28] <__learner__> can't find package openoffice.org-l10n-pt
[05:29] <farruinn> __learner__, you have universe added to your sources.list?
[05:29] <Amaranth> __learner__: You'll have to enable universe
[05:32] <__learner__> yes, universe is enabled.
[05:35] <__learner__> I have universe enabled, but that package is not there. Any other way?
[05:36] <darren> Does anyone know the path that the jre installer installs the java execs to?
[05:37] <Scognito> re
[05:37] <Scognito> nothing to do
[05:38] <Scognito> every gl app does not works with g400 and Xorg
[05:38] <Scognito> if someone has g400 and xorg contact me
[05:38] <Scognito> pls :)
[05:40] <__learner__> can I download games from the debian repository?
[05:45] <midian_> someone have Radeon9100 GFX drivers installed to Ubuntu?
[05:46] <BockBilbo> bye!
[05:47] <mir> I have some mail in mbox format on my linux server witch I want moved to
[05:47] <mir>           maildir format witch is up and running now, is this possible in an
[05:47] <mir>           easy way??.. the mail in mbox is mail witch was recieved prior to
[05:47] <mir>           running in maildir formay
[05:48] <RogueDopple> easy there goes that word again
[05:49] <mir> okey hard way then :-)
[05:49] <ilmari> formail and safecat should do the trick
[05:51] <ilmari> formail -s safecat /path/to/Maildir/tmp /path/to/Maildir/new < /path/to/mbox
[05:52] <ilmari> formail is in the procmail package, safecat is a separate package
[05:53] <ilmari> formail -s splits up the mailbox in individual messages, which are piped to safecat for delivery to the Maildir
[05:54] <mir> ilmari: Thanks.. I think this will help.. I will try as soon as I have installed the packages.. needed
[05:54] <Bosse_> another way is to use a MUA, for example mutt -f /path/to/mbox, mark all items with T.* and then copy them with ;W and /path/to/maildir/
[05:56] <hypa7ia> hey, anyone know what daemon needs to be running for automounting in gnome to work?
[05:57] <bob2> gnome-volume-manager, hal and dbus
[05:58] <hypa7ia> hmm, hal is not runnign
[05:58] <hypa7ia> what's the daemon called?
[05:58] <__learner__> Where can I find good games for ubuntu? I Know most of them are just simple clones of good old games. But there no problems, I just wanted to run some emulators and simple games.
[05:59] <hypa7ia> __learner__: there are lots in universe and multiverse
[05:59] <hypa7ia> and even in the main repos
[06:00] <hypa7ia> just search in synaptic for game - but search title and description :-)
[06:00] <hypa7ia> i'm currently addicted to rafkill
[06:00] <hypa7ia> it rocks.
[06:01] <midian_> someone have ATI Radeon GFX drivers working in Ubuntu?
[06:01] <__learner__> is there any game list somewhere, It is not great to search universe and multiverse in a one per one?
[06:01] <__learner__> How can I know if multiverse is enabled?
[06:02] <alexissoft> re
[06:03] <hypa7ia> __learner__: for multiverse, add multiverse after universe in synaptic
[06:03] <hypa7ia> and what's wrong with searching synaptic?
[06:04] <hypa7ia> midian_: i was, haven't reinstalled them after doinga wipe though
[06:06] <midian_> hypa7ia what do u mean?
[06:06] <hypa7ia> midian_: as in, i had them working, but then i formatted and reinstalled
[06:06] <hypa7ia> botched hoary upgrade :-((
[06:07] <midian_> hypa7ia oh... ok
[06:07] <midian_> i tried to install the drivers but when i rebooted X reported "no screens found"... have no clue now what todo =)
[06:07] <hypa7ia> bob2: all the processes you mentioned are running, can you think of anything that would make a compact flash > pcmcia adapter not be recognized?
[06:08] <hypa7ia> midian_: did you follow the howto on the wiki?
[06:08] <bob2> hypa7ia: no idea if that sort of thing is supported or not
[06:08] <hypa7ia> it used to work :-/
[06:08] <midian_> hypa7ia what howto? =(
[06:08] <hypa7ia> midian_: doh!
[06:08] <bob2> hypa7ia: is it ntfs?
[06:08] <hypa7ia> midian_: lemme find it for you
[06:08] <hypa7ia> bob2: nope, fat32
[06:09] <bob2> hypa7ia: in warty?
[06:09] <hypa7ia> yuppers
[06:09] <hypa7ia> almost-fresh install
[06:10] <hypa7ia> midian_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:12] <midian_> hypa7ia thank you
[06:12] <hypa7ia> no problemo!
[06:13] <hypa7ia> though if you followed another set of instructions, you may have overwritten your original x config file
[06:13] <hypa7ia> so i'm not sure how well the wiki instructions will work
[06:17] <__learner__> tx a lot
[06:18] <caleb_> any word on when ubuntu will package and release the new gaim version?
[06:19] <hypa7ia> is it in hoary yet?
[06:20] <caleb_> i dont know, im running warty
[06:20] <Gwildor|Work> well, it wont EVER be in warty
[06:20] <Gwildor|Work> only hope is hoary
[06:21] <caleb_> ic, whats the upgrade procedure to run hoary from warty?
[06:21] <zenwhen> waiting months for an instant messaging app seems a bit silly to me. You can always build it yourself.
[06:22] <Gwildor|Work> change the words warty to hoary in your sources.list, and then apt-get update....dist-upgrade
[06:23] <cenerentola> gwildor
[06:23] <cenerentola> ubuntu-it
[06:24] <cenerentola> sorry
[06:24] <cenerentola> ...
[06:24] <Keybuk> Gwildor: which new version?
[06:24] <Keybuk>   Version Table:
[06:24] <Keybuk>  *** 1:1.1.0-1 0
[06:24] <Keybuk>         500 http://mataro.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[06:25] <hypa7ia> don't forget to change to utf-8
[06:25] <zerokarmaleft> caleb_, it's much simpler to remove the warty gaim version using apt and then building the latest version from source
[06:26] <caleb_> zerokarmaleft, im not against doing that.  but i kind of defeats the idea that im running a pretty bleeding edge desktop using synaptic.
[06:26] <zerokarmaleft> caleb_, but you're running warty...
[06:27] <caleb_> zerokarmaleft, right.  which i guess means I need to switch to hoary.  I'm running warty because it was the recommended path when I found ubuntu a few months ago :)
[06:28] <zerokarmaleft> caleb_, i upgraded to the hoary branch and it's no fun
[06:28] <hypa7ia> because hoary wasn't out yet :-))
[06:28] <caleb_> I probably need to read about the difference
[06:29] <zerokarmaleft> caleb_, the changes in gnome 2.9 break some distinctive ubuntu patches
[06:29] <langleyfan> Anyone LiveCD savvy in here?
[06:30] <lamont_r> langleyfan: what are you trying to figure out?
[06:30] <macewan> define savvy
[06:30] <langleyfan> I want to evaluate ubuntu from a livecd but when I change the eth0 config the apps stop working..
[06:31] <langleyfan> savvy - all knowing and ubuntu wize :-)
[06:31] <hypa7ia> ubuntacular?
[06:31] <langleyfan> kool
[06:32] <hypa7ia> :-))
[06:34] <langleyfan> I did get a massage that if I changed the hostname that the apps would stop working so I cancelled out and didn't make a hostname change...
[06:36] <JackandJohn> ok, "remote desktop" (vnc) is driving me crazy.. can anyone help me change the port?
[06:36] <joe__> Has anyone here seen any bizarre install problems on a Dell GX280?
[06:36] <coobra> is there a swede in her
[06:36] <coobra> e
[06:36] <hypa7ia> joe__: is that i810?
[06:37] <joe__> hypa7ia: Nope, or at least I don't think so.  IT dropped it on my desk this morning and it was running WinXP when it first arrived.
[06:38] <hypa7ia> darn... i have one is all.  intel integrated video, though, right?
[06:38] <joe__> Let me explain the problem as I'm seeing it.  Unfortunately it's just symptoms that I've got.
[06:38] <hypa7ia> go for it
[06:38] <joe__> Yep.  On board video.  Vesa driver seems to work alright, though.
[06:38] <zerokarmaleft> ewww
[06:39] <hypa7ia> oh, so that's not the problem :-)
[06:39] <joe__> So the first stage install works fine except it can't detect the network configuration.
[06:39] <joe__> No big deal there.
[06:39] <hypa7ia> yah
[06:40] <joe__> Second stage waits roughly eight years before the "Setting the System Clock ... " stage gives up.  I've ctrl-c'd it and moved on.
[06:40] <hypa7ia> hahah, doh.
[06:40] <joe__> It gets to the firest base-config screen with <Ok> highlighted.  I hit enter and then nothing ever again.
[06:40] <the_gummibear> is there a way to configure samba in a way that there is no login/pass needed to acces the shared dirs?
[06:41] <joe__> 'first', even.  Not used to this laptop keyboard.  :-)
[06:41] <hypa7ia> laptop, eh?
[06:41] <hypa7ia> hmmms
[06:42] <joe__> So has anyone seen anything like this at all?  It almost looks like it's having a keyboard config problem, but I don't know why.  I can move to a second virtual console and log in as root just fine.
[06:42] <hypa7ia> oh really?  weeeeird
[06:42] <discharge> gummibear, yes.  check the ubuntupage for a tutorial
[06:42] <joe__> Of course there's no chance of running base-config from there since the lock is on the apt repository.
[06:42] <joe__> Yep.
[06:42] <hypa7ia> can you get out of base-config in the other window, maybe?
[06:43] <joe__> What do I kill to kill off base-config?
[06:43] <discharge> gummibear:  http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[06:43] <hypa7ia> joe__: not sure... see what's running....
[06:43] <joe__> termwrap--script--script--base-config-> looks promising.
[06:43] <flip> is there any help on getting ubuntu to work w/ 2 monitors
[06:44] <the_gummibear> discharge, read the tutorial, but it's not telling me how to disable login/pass
[06:44] <flip> i just installed it and only one head was detected on install
[06:44] <hypa7ia> that it does
[06:44] <flip> is there an X config utility i should be using that was built for Ubuntu before i go vim'ing the config files?
[06:45] <discharge> gummibear, the ones that say Authentication=No tell you how to setup a public share with no name/pass required
[06:45] <douglas> hi
[06:47] <hypa7ia> flip: only for some things
[06:48] <flip> hypa7ia, where is it?
[06:48] <joe__> (much killing happens) It's looking like I'm at the timezone configuration screen now.  I don't know what was going on with the intro screen, so it skipped keyboard config entirely.  I don't know what that means, but it seems halfways happy again.
[06:49] <hypa7ia> flip: computer -> system -> screen res
[06:49] <hypa7ia> rockin joe__
[06:50] <flip> ahh thanks hypa7ia.. so i gotta make a new XF86Config
[06:50] <flip> does X.Org still use this file?
[06:50] <hypa7ia> no, should be xorg.conf
[06:51] <hypa7ia> just rename it and change references in the file to xorg rather than xfree86
[06:51] <mjg59> Kinnison: Ping?
[06:51] <Kinnison> mjg59: pong
[06:51] <the_gummibear> discharge, is that tutorial on the ubuntu site? cause i can't find it.. maybe i'm overlooking it :s
[06:51] <flip> hypa7ia, yea i have no xorg.conf in my systemn
[06:52] <mjg59> Kinnison: Have you got a minute to try something?
[06:52] <discharge> gummibear, http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#sharepublicfolderreadsecurityshare
[06:52] <mjg59> Kinnison: If so, could you install http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/vm86-video-post_0.1-1_i386.deb and run vm86_video_post from a text console?
[06:53] <Kinnison> mjg59: what sort of something?
[06:53] <Kinnison> ergh; video post?
[06:53] <Kinnison> it'll eat my life
[06:53] <mjg59> Yeah, but less broken than video_post was
[06:53] <the_gummibear> must have overlooked it.. :s thx a lot
[06:53] <joe__> Hmmm, things still aren't quite right, now it's running aptitude on me, which I don't recall having seen in any of the previous ubuntu installs I did, but at least it's progress.
[06:53] <hypa7ia> flip: i'm not 100% sure that's what it's called, alas
[06:53] <flip> ah
[06:53] <flip> well thanks anyway :)
[06:53] <Kinnison> mjg59: if I'm not back in a minute or so; I'll ping timeout :-)
[06:57] <bronson_> Is anyone here able to burn DVDs in Hoary?
[06:57] <Gwildor|Work> no burner :(
[06:59] <Kinnison> mjg59: Okay; it broke my text console; but switching back to X worked
[07:02] <JefPober> hi, i'm using the amd64 version of ubuntu, is it possible to mix amd64 and x86 package sources and is it possible to force something in /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can override the default architecture?
[07:03] <mjg59> Kinnison: Broke as in turned off the backlight?
[07:03] <Kinnison> mjg59: yes
[07:03] <Kinnison> mjg59: I can flip back to the console again just fine
[07:03] <mjg59> Kinnison: Can you try running vm86_video_post followed by dpms on?
[07:03] <Kamion> JefPober: not yet, we haven't done multiarch but we plan to
[07:04] <JefPober> for example, i want to use the k7 mplayer version from nerim.net but synaptic complains about not finding binary-amd64/Packages.gz :(
[07:04] <Kinnison> mjg59: one sec
[07:04] <JefPober> Kamion, great news :)
[07:04] <Kinnison> mjg59: no better
[07:04] <Kamion> at the moment an i386 chroot's your best bet
[07:04] <mjg59> Kinnison: Still no screen afterwards?
[07:04] <mjg59> Ah well
[07:05] <JefPober> isn't it possible to install i386 .debs with dpkg or would i just break stuff?
[07:05] <mjg59> It seems better than video_post does
[07:05] <Kinnison> mjg59: at least I can flip back to X
[07:05] <mjg59> Kinnison: Yeah
[07:05] <mjr> Kamion, by the way, probably not multiarch for Hoary yet, or..?
[07:06] <Kamion> mjr: doubt it
[07:07] <ermo> what is a good (gnome/gtk2) ftp client for use with ubuntu? gFTP keeps crashing and nautilus' ftp handling is ... interesting.
[07:07] <hypa7ia> heh, interesting
[07:07] <hypa7ia> i've had luck with gftp, actually
[07:08] <Rene_S> Someones playing hooky from school
[07:08] <ermo> would being behind 2 NATs be an issue ;)
[07:08] <hypa7ia> heheh maaaaybe
[07:08] <ermo> (no, don't ask why)
[07:08] <Rene_S> hypa7ia: go back to school
[07:08] <hypa7ia> nah, Rene_S, exam period!
[07:09] <hypa7ia> heading off to study tho
[07:09] <Rene_S> hypa7ia: us taxpayers pay good money for your OSAP
[07:09] <hypa7ia> s/osap/parents
[07:09] <Rene_S> hehe
[07:09] <hypa7ia> thank GAWD
[07:09] <hypa7ia> but yeah
[07:09] <hypa7ia> much news when i return!
[07:09] <Rene_S> Dont make me get your Moms down here
[07:09] <Rene_S> hehe
[07:09] <hypa7ia> :-))
[07:09] <Rene_S> Ok. you can email me
[07:09] <hypa7ia> whereat?
[07:10] <Rene_S> oh
[07:10] <Rene_S> umm
[07:10] <hypa7ia>  /msg meeee
[07:11] <Kinnison> mjg59: cenerent1la and I are about to try hoary's 2.6.9-1-686 (2.6.9-3) on his laptop
[07:13] <Kinnison> fabbione: So, the linux-restricted-modules stuff for 2.6.9 -- Why is there no -686 package?
[07:14] <fabbione> dude.. that's daniels business
[07:14] <__learner__> do you know any C++ IDE that can be installed in ubuntu?
[07:14] <mjg59> kingsley_: Rock
[07:15] <mjg59> Kinnison: Rock (even)
[07:15] <mjg59> Kinnison: If you have problems with video_post, could you try vm86_video_post?
[07:15] <Kinnison> mjg59: we'll see what happens
[07:16] <Kinnison> fabbione: I see
[07:16] <sladen> mjg59: did you say you'd split the x86 emulator from X out?
[07:16] <Kinnison> fabbione: care to maim him creatively for me?
[07:17] <mjg59> sladen: No, someone's already done that
[07:17] <mjg59> It's on Scitech's site
[07:18] <sladen> mjg59: groovy
[07:18] <mjg59> I'm using lrmi at the moment, because it's a damn sight easier to code with
[07:22] <BlondeguySchool> hey guys
[07:22] <BlondeguySchool> got a big problem
[07:23] <BlondeguySchool> seems i've locked myself out of my system because I changed my username and its not in the sudoers file so I cant use su or sudo
[07:23] <BlondeguySchool> which means I cant fix this
[07:23] <BlondeguySchool> any clue as to how I can get around this?
[07:23] <flip> i just broke ubuntu horribly :F
[07:24] <ficusplanet> BlondeguySchool, Boot from a live cd, edit sudoers.
[07:24] <flip> i tried to use the fglrxconfig utlity to write a new XF86Config to include dual head w/ the properties of my second monitor and now i cant get X to start at all
[07:25] <flip> is there a way to rerun whatever setup X during installation?
[07:25] <__learner__> Do you know how can I install Eclipse IDE on my ubuntu system?
[07:25] <flip> w/o reinstalling that is
[07:25] <Synek> flip: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:26] <Synek> Try this first
[07:26] <flip> Synek ok restarting gdm
[07:27] <flip> nope.. ill rename XF86Config and try it again
[07:27] <joe__> hypa7ia: rumour has it the onboard video on the GX280 is an i910, if that helps.  My install tragedy continues, though.  :-(
[07:28] <Pathfinder> Hi, newbie here so hopefully my problem isn't too complicated.  When I boot Ubuntu Acrobat Reader immediately tries to launch, but then hangs.  Can anyone help me put a stop to Acrobat trying to launch?  Thanks
[07:29] <ficusplanet> Pathfinder, It sounds like it is saved in your session.  Login, close Acroread, and when you logout save your session again.
[07:29] <flip> Synek, ok sooo ive removed the XF86Config-4 file from /etc/X11 and the dpkg command hasnt replaced it
[07:30] <Pathfinder> ficusplanet, trouble is the screen won't close and just goes blank/white, so I can't do as you say
[07:30] <Pathfinder> I mean *window*, not screen
[07:30] <hwm> my copy has developed a lag.  When I click firefox, for instance, it takes almost a minute to come up.
[07:30] <jiyuu0> An early Christmas gift to all the Ubuntu Community Users...
[07:30] <jiyuu0> Announcing http://ubuntuguide.org (Unofficial Ubuntu Starter Guide)
[07:30] <jiyuu0> *Previously located at http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[07:31] <Synek> flip: and what's he saying?
[07:31] <ficusplanet> OK, try pressing Alt+F2 and then typing killall acroread.
[07:31] <nuOpus> hwm: Have you tried prelink?
[07:31] <nuOpus> hwm: Is it slow to load firefox ... or kinda slow to access web sites?
[07:31] <flip> Synek, dpkg?  it asks me all the X config questions and then exits... still no recreation :F
[07:32] <hwm> if I don't have anything running, and I invoke it from the terminal, it gives me something about can't open window, but eventually it does open.
[07:32] <Synek> What was the error mesg from xserver with prev XF86C..
[07:32] <Synek> ?
[07:32] <flip> oh no error message ... just jiberish on the screen
[07:32] <nuOpus> hwm: Is anything else running hoaky?
[07:32] <flip> like the sync ranges are completely wrong
[07:32] <flip> and i know there not
[07:33] <Synek> flip: try to use that config, try set the vesa driver
[07:33] <hwm> I guess so.  not that I have tried all that much.  I did have another question about which JRE ubuntu installs by default and how to upgrade it to another, if I need to
[07:33] <flip> im using the fglrx driver
[07:34] <Synek> Or simply undo the changes yoe've done to it, if you still rember them ;)
[07:34] <nuOpus> hwn: it doesnt install a JRE by default... download the self extracting binaries from java.com
[07:34] <MFen> anyone know why i can't view man or info pages in my gnome-help?
[07:34] <nuOpus> and do a make-jpkg java-blahblah.bin
[07:34] <Synek> flip: i'm affraid that's all my knowledge ;/
[07:34] <MFen> i've seen several pages claiming these schemes should work
[07:34] <Pathfinder> ficusplanet, brilliant...thanks...will no logout saving a blank session...great
[07:34] <ficusplanet> np
[07:34] <flip> Synek well see i read on ubuntu.org that for the ati chipset i should change all this stuff and use this new driver and configure the dual head from the control panel that it installed... which i did; then trainwreck :F
[07:35] <nuOpus> it will create the proper deb out of the java binary from sun, put them in proper locations and even link the plugins for you
[07:35] <nuOpus> OH! But first you have to apt-get install java-package to get make-jpkg
[07:35] <Synek> flip: really can't help, i'm stick with nv
[07:36] <mirak> does someone uses pan the news reader here ?
[07:36] <nuOpus> flip: Are you using xorg?
[07:36] <flip> i thought i was by default
[07:36] <flip> i just installed 4.10
[07:36] <nuOpus> ahhh
[07:36] <nuOpus> okay
[07:36] <flip> but it seems im running XF86
[07:36] <nuOpus> what kind of ATI?
[07:36] <flip> radeon 9200
[07:36] <nuOpus> hmmmm
[07:36] <flip> all the log files say its XFree86 4.3.x
[07:37] <flip> instead of X.Org
[07:37] <Kinnison> daniels: Your crack is bad crack
[07:37] <Kinnison> daniels: and it's hairy
[07:37] <nuOpus> get the fglrx drivers from ati web site
[07:37] <nuOpus> then do alien fglrx-4.3.0-blahblah
[07:37] <nuOpus> install the deb
[07:37] <mirak> what news reader do you use ?
[07:37] <nuOpus> go to the /lib/modules/fglrx/build_modules and do an sh build_modules or something
[07:37] <flip> nuOpus well i apt-get installed the fglrx driver
[07:38] <trans_err> i want to use nvagp, but agpgart won't stop loading... any ideas?
[07:38] <mjr> well, 9200 has DRI support too (though dual-head configurations only on Hoary/X.org)
[07:38] <Kamion> flip: X.org is a hoary thing
[07:38] <nuOpus> that one is crap
[07:38] <maskie> flip: xfree is the default for warty ... xorg default for hoary the next version
[07:38] <nuOpus> lol
[07:38] <mirak> what news reader do you use ?
[07:38] <mirak> what news reader do you use ?
[07:38] <mirak> what news reader do you use ?
[07:38] <zenwhen> wow
[07:38] <flip> ah
[07:38] <flip> ok
[07:38] <zenwhen> spamaliscious
[07:38] <flip> so thats what ill do
[07:38] <nuOpus> I got mine to work perfectly from the NEW fglrx drivers from ati
[07:38] <trans_err> somone needs their fix
[07:38] <nuOpus> the one in the repos are ancient
[07:38] <flip> hrmm'
[07:38] <flip> ok
[07:38] <flip> and itll work dual head?
[07:38] <nuOpus> yes
[07:38] <nuOpus> use fglrxconfig to configure it
[07:38] <flip> now to create a new XF86Config file
[07:39] <flip> since fglrxconfig destroyed the last one
[07:39] <daniels> Kinnison: which crack?
[07:39] <flip> wait
[07:39] <flip> i know what to do
[07:39] <flip> thanks guys
[07:39] <nuOpus> lol like I said .. I didnt use the ancient one from the repos
[07:39] <flip> :)
[07:39] <Kinnison> daniels: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-386
[07:40] <nuOpus> the linux-restricted modules for 2.6.9 are up?
[07:40] <daniels> Kinnison: right ...
[07:41] <the_gummibear> how is the package with gcc etc called again (the base to compile things)
[07:41] <nuOpus> cuz I dont see linux-restricted-modules 2.6.9 anywhere in there
[07:41] <nuOpus> universe or multiverse
[07:41] <kent> the_gummibear,  build-essential  
[07:41] <RomPres> I'm trying to use Synaptci (Warty) to remove postfix.  But it says that if I do THAT, it's going to remove ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop too!!
[07:41] <RomPres> Why?
[07:41] <the_gummibear> that's it idd :) thx
[07:41] <Gwildor|Work> nuOpus, are you on hoary?
[07:41] <RomPres> I don't want postfix.
[07:42] <nuOpus> yes
[07:42] <joe__> *wave* Thanks for the help folks, I think it's installed now.  Time to unplug the poor ol' laptop.  :-)
[07:42] <Kinnison> daniels: also, xorg looks shit at 1280x800
[07:42] <njs12345> RomPres: it's because ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop depend on postfix
[07:42] <Kinnison> daniels: come and see
[07:42] <daniels> Kinnison: wfm kthxbye
[07:42] <njs12345> ok
[07:42] <daniels> Kinnison: bring it to me
[07:42] <RomPres> Ew.
[07:42] <RomPres> I'm going to install qmail.
[07:42] <RomPres> So postfix is redundant.
[07:42] <njs12345> I've narrowed down my "two Xservs" problem
[07:42] <nuOpus> xorg fonts are perfect at 1280x800
[07:42] <nuOpus> turn on LCD hinting?
[07:42] <Kinnison> nuOpus: using the nv driver?
[07:43] <nuOpus> the build in radeon
[07:43] <Kinnison> It's not fonts; it's everything
[07:43] <njs12345> it happens both with and without the fglrx (ATI closed-source) drivers
[07:43] <nuOpus> until ati releases their overdue crap for xorg
[07:43] <trans_err> Kinnison, i've had a lot of xorg font problems
[07:43] <njs12345> hmm.. anyone know when that's due? I fricking hate ATI noww
[07:43] <trans_err> they look like crap on my system
[07:43] <nuOpus> you may have to change the subpixel order to look good on your LCD
[07:43] <nuOpus> and turn hinting on
[07:43] <njs12345> they said december, but that could be like 15 days
[07:43] <trans_err> I've tried eveything too... I also had a lot of fonts that would stop loading
[07:43] <nuOpus> but it looks really good
[07:44] <nuOpus> njs12345 you know how long it was overdue before they released their fglrx driver in the first place?
[07:44] <njs12345> no.. I only came to linux like two years ago
[07:45] <nuOpus> and it is just a hacked up fireGL driver
[07:45] <nuOpus> the one they are supposed to put out is the newly rewritten Catalyst driver
[07:45] <nuOpus> instead of the hacked firegl.
[07:45] <candyman> join nvidia
[07:45] <nuOpus> BUT .. since they are going from scratch it will be 2 years! LOL
[07:46] <njs12345> lol
[07:46] <njs12345> this is kind of crapped out
[07:46] <nuOpus> candyman: have been loyal ATI since the original ATI Rage
[07:46] <bob2> RomPres: you'll want to look at the equivs package before you break your system
[07:46] <bob2> also, using qmail is anti-social
[07:46] <nuOpus> candyman: BUT I am thinking about going nvidia cuz of the driver thing ... im just giving them a little time
[07:46] <candyman> nuOpus: bad keyboard
[07:46] <the_gummibear> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[07:46] <njs12345> I am going to go nvidia with my next card
[07:46] <zenwhen> nuOpus, I was the same as you.
[07:46] <njs12345> ati are just not acceptable
[07:46] <candyman> I was actually trying to /join nvidia (irssi does not require the #). Sorry for that.
[07:46] <RomPres> qmail is incredibly stable.  We run our enterprise mail server on it, and have for years.
[07:46] <nuOpus> ya now a days
[07:47] <the_gummibear> is that the libgtk-dev i need?
[07:47] <zenwhen> I had a Rage 128, 8500, 9500, 9800, then switched to Linux.
[07:47] <nuOpus> its just sad ... I still think their cards remain superior ... but their software support is going to make me dump that marriage
[07:47] <zenwhen> Then I bought an FX5700 which, IN LINUX, killed the 9800 Pro.
[07:47] <zenwhen> And I was like OH WOW 6800, let me in on this.
[07:48] <zenwhen> So Now Im have thta and Linux s wonderful. :)
[07:48] <zenwhen> I have*
[07:48] <nuOpus> I mean sure nvidia always comes in behind them and makes a faster card .... but without the same graphics quality to achieve the performance
[07:48] <nuOpus> Anyhoo what is a great nvidia card for xmas?
[07:48] <zenwhen> nuOpus, the 6800 series doesn't have IQ issues.
[07:48] <zenwhen> nuOpus, 6600GT AGP
[07:49] <zenwhen> Its the best card for 200 bucks
[07:49] <eruin> heh, am I the only one who can't tell the difference between a top-range nvidia card versus a top-range ati card when it comes to graphics quality??!
[07:49] <zenwhen> and it STOMPS the 9800 pro.
[07:49] <nuOpus> I want high performance .. something has got to run Americas Army and ut2004 good
[07:49] <nuOpus> eruin: yes
[07:49] <nuOpus> lol
[07:49] <zenwhen> nuOpus, it will rock in both of those games.
[07:49] <eruin> there's not the least difference
[07:49] <nuOpus> because I notice the image blending when there are distance involved in the games
[07:49] <zenwhen> The 6800nu is a bit better for 250.
[07:50] <eruin> what you see on these so-called review sites with jagged edges etc depends on the exact frame that's being rendered
[07:50] <RomPres> OK...so if I'm stuck with postfix, how do I configure it to receive E-mail from external sources?
[07:50] <zenwhen> nuOpus, that was witht he FX5*** series
[07:50] <nuOpus> zenwhen: I was saving up for their new PCI Extreme card
[07:50] <zenwhen> The 6800 series does not have these issues.
[07:50] <nuOpus> RomPress: You can safely get rid of ubuntu-desktop
[07:51] <nuOpus> it does nothing for the way the OS functions
[07:51] <stuNNed> so metacity update today is broken in hoary?
[07:51] <the_gummibear> i have a rather noobish question.. but how should i install something from source in a clean way?
[07:51] <nuOpus> its just a metapackage with dependancies for installation
[07:51] <nuOpus> from source?
[07:51] <the_gummibear> i place my unpacked dir in /usr/local/src/
[07:52] <the_gummibear> & then i do just do ./configure make & make install in that dir?
[07:52] <zenwhen> install build essential and checkinstall, then download the tgz, extract it, cd into the dir, ./configure && make && checkinstall
[07:52] <nuOpus> I untar the archive, type deb-make then do a dpkg-buildpackage and hope I dont have dependency issues
[07:52] <RomPres> What about ubuntu-base?
[07:52] <nuOpus> it will build the package from scratch and make a .deb to install from so you can easily remove it later
[07:52] <nuOpus> RomPre: get rid of it
[07:52] <nuOpus> lol
[07:52] <nuOpus> same thing
[07:53] <nuOpus> RomPress find it in Synaptic, click on it then go to properties
[07:53] <nuOpus> look at the installed files
[07:53] <nuOpus> nothing except for a readme
[07:53] <RomPres> And that's not going to fubar my whole system?
[07:53] <nuOpus> LOL no
[07:53] <nuOpus>  look at the installed files
[07:53] <the_gummibear> let's give it a try
[07:53] <nuOpus> and you will see
[07:54] <nuOpus> its just a changelog and a readme
[07:54] <the_gummibear> Illegal package name MPlayer. Must be lowercase letters and digits
[07:54] <the_gummibear> damnit :p
[07:54] <nuOpus> but ... have you EVER read the changelog?
[07:55] <nuOpus> oh .. and meta package info just to install BASE distro ... has dependencies such as apt
[07:55] <nuOpus> ubuntu-base is meta to intall base software without the gui stuff basically. ubuntu-desktop is meta to install X, GNOME and all of the other apps that come with the desktp
[07:56] <the_gummibear> hmm.. type of package? single bin, multi bin or lib?
[07:56] <nuOpus> but once they are already there ... you dont need them
[07:56] <nuOpus> single bin
[07:56] <RomPres> I shall give it a whirl.
[07:56] <nuOpus> the-bummibear: You WILL have to resolve build-time dependencies
[07:56] <eruin> anyone here know of rhythmbox 0.9-branch debs ?
[07:57] <nuOpus> I can build you a deb if you want
[07:57] <nuOpus> I was thinking of compiling the latest rhytm
[07:57] <Kamion> nuOpus: deb-make is so obsolete it's not funny. please don't use it
[07:57] <eruin> trying to complete my system with burning.. got coaster, need rbox 0.9 ;)
[07:57] <bur[n] er> any major changes to rbox .9?
[07:57] <nuOpus> lol it works
[07:57] <bur[n] er> ie, tag editing?
[07:57] <Kamion> nuOpus: the current debmake package deletes it entirely to discourage its use
[07:57] <eruin> nuOpus: I've used it before.. it's sweet stuff
[07:57] <bur[n] er> ;)
[07:57] <nuOpus> Kamion: I have been using paco lately
[07:57] <the_gummibear> hmm, any help is appreciated nuOpus as i'm kinda noobish :(
[07:57] <Kamion> I doubt we'd ever accept a new deb-make package into hoary
[07:57] <the_gummibear> & don't wanna fook up my system with unclean installs :p
[07:58] <nuOpus> ahhhhh okay
[07:58] <Gwildor|Work> any idea if/when hoary will hace xfce4.2?
[07:58] <nuOpus> just do a ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && make install then!!!
[07:58] <nuOpus> lol
[07:58] <nuOpus> Kamion: What do you think of paco to keep track of built software?
[07:59] <nuOpus> the_gummibear: What are you trying to compile?
[08:00] <eruin> speed: 80.3 KB/s down - 973.2 KB/s up
[08:00] <eruin> argh
[08:00] <eruin> sometimes I really hate torrent :P
[08:00] <nuOpus> ya
[08:00] <darren> How'd I use apt-get?
[08:01] <SepheeBear> is paco anything like "checkinstall"?
[08:01] <Gwildor|Work> sudo apt-get install <packagage>
[08:01] <nuOpus> darren: apt-get update will go to the sources and download new headers .... kinda like update a catalog
[08:01] <tberman> on hoary, gnome-menus appears to conflict with kdelibs-data
[08:01] <scoon> darren, man apt-get
[08:01] <Kamion> nuOpus: never used it
[08:01] <nuOpus> SepheeBear: paco keeps track of where binaries were installed when you build programs from scratch and puts it in a list so you can easily get rid of them later
[08:01] <Gwildor|Work> darren,  for example sudo apt-get update      then you do sudo apt-get install gimp
[08:02] <nuOpus> ya
[08:02] <darren> ahh, thanks
[08:02] <Kamion> nuOpus: sounds like a not-invented-here reimplementation of GNU stow
[08:02] <nuOpus> Kamion: Its great software! yes ... but it has a GTK frontend! lol
[08:02] <eruin> bloody'ell I think firefox could use some more compile optimizations
[08:02] <Gwildor|Work> sudo gives you root.....apt-get update makes sure you sources are recent, then install.....installs....you can also sudo apt-get upgrade, to upgrade your sstem
[08:02] <Kamion> uh ... I see
[08:03] <eruin> the current ubuntu build is dead slow
[08:03] <SepheeBear> i see, nuOpus in that case I've been using '00checkinstall -D' instead of 'make install'
[08:03] <darren> apt-get doesn't have xmms, know anywhere I can get it?
[08:03] <bob2> darren: it's in universe
[08:03] <eruin> send him to the wiki guys
[08:03] <bob2> darren: wiki.ubuntnu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:03] <Kamion> largely I manage built-from-source software by packaging it and uploading it to a distribution I use. ;-)
[08:03] <nuOpus> Kamion: example paco usage ... ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && paco -lp gaim-1.1.0 "make install"
[08:03] <douglas> i have installed openoffice in gnome, but it is not using the nuvola theme... how to solve it ?
[08:03] <nuOpus> will file it under the gaim-1.1.0 name so you can manage the files later
[08:04] <SepheeBear> where do i get paco?
[08:04] <eruin> douglas: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-gtk-gnome
[08:04] <nuOpus> has a script that can then get those binaries and package them into debs or rpm
[08:04] <nuOpus> paco.sourceforge.net
[08:04] <Kamion> I have precisely one thing in /usr/local/bin on this system, and that won't stay there for long
[08:04] <darren> bob2, It can't be found
[08:04] <darren> How do I add internet sources to repositries
[08:04] <Kamion> so I don't have much use for that kind of thing :)
[08:04] <nuOpus> Kamion: Ya ... used to do that until I got lazy with the copying the .desktop files to the proper place
[08:05] <nuOpus> Kamion: To each his own I guess
[08:05] <bob2> darren: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:06] <Kamion> nuOpus: uh ... if I package it, I don't need to copy them; debian/rules does that for me. :)
[08:06] <darren> bob2, can't find that website
[08:06] <eruin> darren: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[08:06] <nuOpus> Kamion: point taken. I guess I need to learn more about packaging software in debian
[08:06] <bob2> darren: it works for me
[08:06] <nuOpus> Kamion: I came from Gentoo world
[08:06] <Gwildor|Work> what happened to bonobo?
[08:06] <Gwildor|Work> he was so helpfull :)
[08:06] <darren> bob2, I refreshed a few times and it's working now :P
[08:08] <nuOpus> Anyhoo ... need to get going. Time to fail a few students ... its finals day!
[08:08] <nuOpus> Nice chat Kamion
[08:08] <the_gummibear> hmm, sorry, had a phonecall :p
[08:08] <nuOpus> quit
[08:08] <the_gummibear> i'm trying to compile MPlayer
[08:08] <nuOpus> damn
[08:09] <moquist> hehe
[08:09] <bob2> the_gummibear: why don't you just install the packages?
[08:10] <douglas> ok
[08:10] <the_gummibear> is there an mplayer package? :s
[08:10] <the_gummibear> can't find it in the synaptics package manager :s
[08:11] <bur[n] er> mplayer-i686
[08:11] <bur[n] er> in universe?
[08:11] <bob2> it's in multiverse
[08:11] <bur[n] er> wtf is multiverse?
[08:11] <Kamion> multiverse = unsupported/non-free
[08:11] <bob2> non-free stuff
[08:11] <Kamion> (universe = unsupported/free)
[08:11] <moquist> i think it should be "per-verse"
[08:11] <the_gummibear> how can i find those?
[08:11] <bur[n] er> gotcha
[08:12] <bur[n] er> uncomment it from your sources?
[08:12] <the_gummibear> the universe/multiverse thingies :p
[08:12] <warty> anyone know how to rest my pam.d file?
[08:12] <bur[n] er> the_gummibear: i honsetly dont' know how to do it from synaptic, although I know there's a way
[08:12] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, i know how in synaptic
[08:12] <the_gummibear> i'd be a text junkie if i knew enough about it ;)
[08:13] <bur[n] er> well... Gwildor|Work can prolly walk you through
[08:13] <the_gummibear> but i'm the noob himself :p
[08:13] <bur[n] er> it's pretty easy
[08:13] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, open synaptic...go to settings---->repositories
[08:13] <the_gummibear> only worked with gentoo before.. with the easy 'emerge' :p
[08:13] <the_gummibear> k, i'm there
[08:13] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, uncheck all of the boxes.....except for the top one.....check that
[08:13] <bur[n] er> wow, that's all there is to it
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> err....enable them all excapt for the top one
[08:14] <bur[n] er> that's easier than a text editor ;)
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> yeah
[08:14] <the_gummibear> the top one is cdrom..
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> yup
[08:14] <the_gummibear> ah :p
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> to add multiverse
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> find the 2 that are for universe
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> and in the box that says universe....make it say..........universe multiverse
[08:14] <the_gummibear> checked all except the first one
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> to add multiverse
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> find the 2 that are for universe
[08:14] <darren> I've just used the packae manager to install xmms, where can I find it to?
[08:15] <Gwildor|Work> and in the box that says universe....make it say..........universe multiverse
[08:15] <Gwildor|Work> darren, im pretty sure xmms makes it to the gnome menue
[08:15] <the_gummibear> only seperated by a 'space' ?
[08:15] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, yes
[08:15] <the_gummibear> you need to log in again before xmms is in the menu
[08:15] <darren> Gwildor|Work, It's not under the Multimedia menu...
[08:15] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, be sure to "refresh" in synaptic......or apt-get update
[08:16] <the_gummibear> (at least it was like that here)
[08:16] <bur[n] er> beep-media-player is cooler ;
[08:16] <bur[n] er> gtk2 as opposed to xmms' gtk1
[08:16] <Gwildor|Work> darren, hmmm, yeah, log out...and back into gnome
[08:16] <the_gummibear>  refresh = reloading package list?
[08:16] <darren> ok, I just use run application for the moment, thanks for the help!
[08:17] <the_gummibear> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/mutliverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:17] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, hmmm
[08:17] <Gwildor|Work> is that from synaptic?
[08:17] <the_gummibear> uhu
[08:17] <Gwildor|Work> hmmm
[08:18] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, try this.........remove the word "multiverse"
[08:18] <the_gummibear> found it :p i typed mutliverse :p
[08:18] <the_gummibear> stupid typo's :p
[08:18] <Gwildor|Work> ahhhh
[08:18] <eruin> EEP, I just noticed I bought candy for 34 last night :P
[08:18] <the_gummibear> aaah, there it is :')
[08:19] <the_gummibear> thx a lot
[08:21] <spacey_ki> who can i mail about website problems
[08:21] <spacey_ki> ?
[08:21] <flip> has anyone here used the new fglxr driver from ati.com?
[08:21] <spacey_ki> i cannot reset my password on the website
[08:24] <the--dud> hi there, how long does a shipment of these cds normally take?
[08:24] <the--dud> im in a LUG, that plans to have an information stand which gives out free ubuntu cds
[08:25] <Gwildor|Work> the--dud, mine shipped on the 11th, and i got them the 26th
[08:25] <the_gummibear> hmm, mplayer ain't starting up it seems :(
[08:26] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, maybe try to re-install it?
[08:26] <wood1> Hi to all
[08:26] <olorin> the_gummibear , what's the problem with mplayer ?
[08:26] <wood1> Amaranth, I am again facing problems with:  apt-get
[08:26] <ViN86> what fs do most of you all use? ext3 or what?
[08:27] <the--dud> when i ordered yesterday, i suppose its optimistic to hope the batch will arrive before the 18th of december
[08:27] <the_gummibear> hmm, the problem is gmplayer.. mplayer works :) but it seems he can't load the skin..
[08:27] <Gwildor|Work> wood1, whats the problem?
[08:27] <ViN86> the_gummibear: no default skin is installed
[08:27] <wood1> Can somebody help me out with the errors while updating: samba
[08:27] <the_gummibear> i feel smart again :$
[08:27] <ViN86> you have to download and install one yourself, check the tutorial ;)
[08:28] <the_gummibear> have on downed already :)
[08:28] <the_gummibear> thx
[08:28] <ViN86> it find it?
[08:28] <ViN86> it didnt find mine, i had to rename the dir to 'default'
[08:28] <ViN86> then it loaded it
[08:28] <the_gummibear> need to copy it to the right dir :)
[08:28] <ViN86> yet, my vid out still doesnt work, heh
[08:28] <wood1> Gwildor, I am getting these errors:   dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[08:29] <Gwildor|Work> wood1, no idea, and im not at my ubuntu box to try and help...sorry
[08:30] <wood1> Why am I getting these errors:    samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.1) but 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2 is installed
[08:30] <moquist> who are the Ubuntu devs here?
[08:30] <Gwildor|Work> thats probably why
[08:30] <wood1> Well the problem is that I can't remove samba too
[08:30] <Gwildor|Work> hmmm
[08:30] <olorin> wood1, apt-get install -f
[08:31] <wood1> Is there a way out ?
[08:31] <Gwildor|Work> moquist, there are a few......just ask
[08:31] <ViN86> lol what did he just ask then?
[08:31] <wood1> olorin, apt-get -f install did now help
[08:31] <darren> Does anyone know the dir that firefox is installed to?
[08:31] <crimsun> darren: what do you mean?
[08:32] <crimsun> darren: the executable script? the binary? ...
[08:32] <olorin> darren , /usr/bin/firefox
[08:32] <moquist> Gwildor|Work: i'm wondering what areas of Ubuntu dev need help - i.e., where should I direct my attention if I want to contribute to the software?
[08:32] <moquist> darren: /usr/bin/firefox, if that's what you mean.
[08:32] <olorin> darren, ~/.mozilla/firefox for the config files
[08:32] <moquist> olorin: oops, was typing while you posted.  ;)
[08:33] <crimsun> the binary itself is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin
[08:33] <Gwildor|Work> moquist, maybe check the bounty board on the ubuntu site?.........and i think jdub and kamion are devs
[08:33] <olorin> darren , in fact /usr/bin/firefox is just a symbolic link
[08:34] <farruinn> moquist, ask in #ubuntu-devel?
[08:34] <moquist> oooo, ubuntu-devel...
[08:34] <moquist> Gwildor|Work, farruinn: thx
[08:34] <darren> I want to install Firefox1.0 so I need to know the dir
[08:35] <farruinn> darren, are you installing via apt?
[08:35] <olorin> darren , you don't need to know the dir to install it
[08:35] <darren> I was going to, but I couldn't find it there
[08:35] <farruinn> that's because it's not in warty, but there are some backports
[08:36] <olorin> darren , just use apt or make a personal dir if you want to test a non ubuntu package
[08:36] <farruinn> see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[08:36] <mecca> still cannot get dual head to work :( :(
[08:36] <the_gummibear> ahwel, it still doesn't want to start gmplayer..
[08:37] <farruinn> darren, installing packages via apt from non-debian repos is dangerous enough, but installing in other ways is even more likely to break your system.  If you have to, install extra stuff in /usr/local
[08:37] <njs12345> hmm
[08:37] <wood1> Can someone explain to me what this means => 86.deb) ...
[08:37] <njs12345> I'm following the RestrictedFormats page in the wiki
[08:37] <njs12345> but I can't find "mozilla-mplayer"
[08:37] <wood1> invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba ?
[08:38] <Gwildor|Work> njs12345, DID YOU ENABLE universe, multiverse, and marrilat?
[08:38] <olorin> njs12345 ; it's in the multiverse repository
[08:38] <Gwildor|Work> then just multiverse?
[08:38] <njs12345> oh
[08:38] <njs12345> I've not got multiverse
[08:38] <olorin> Gwildor|Work , think so
[08:38] <njs12345> thanks
[08:39] <Gwildor|Work> olorin, im not on my ubuntu box, so i couldnt remember what repo it is in, guess i coulda checked the wiki myself though
[08:40] <the_gummibear> bah, there is no sound with my supertux :(
[08:41] <farruinn> the_gummibear, same here =(  I had sound when I first installed, but don't know what happened
[08:41] <wood1> Where is the src directory in Ubuntu?
[08:41] <wood1> I mean the source directory ?
[08:41] <olorin> wood1 src for what ?
[08:42] <njs12345> mwahahaha
[08:42] <njs12345> thanks
[08:42] <njs12345> mplayer is working now
[08:42] <the_gummibear> njs12345, your gmplayer is working aswel?
[08:42] <wood1> for kernel source
[08:42] <njs12345> yeah, it is
[08:43] <the_gummibear> bah :( then it's something on my machine that's fooking it
[08:43] <olorin> wood1 , /usr/src/ i think
[08:43] <olorin> wood1 , but you have to install the source of the kernel
[08:44] <darren> Does anyone know a repositry with ffox1.0 in? the one on the ubuntu site isn't accessible
[08:44] <farruinn> darren, did you check the link I sent you?
[08:44] <olorin> darren , use the hoary repository
[08:45] <the_gummibear> farruinn, go to the config file of supertux & change it there ;) supertux has sound now :D
[08:45] <olorin> olorin, you can define a default release ( warty ) and you some hoary package
[08:45] <darren> olorin, where do I get that to?
[08:46] <wood1> olorin, do you have some idea why apt-get is not working for me ?
[08:46] <olorin> darren , http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[08:47] <olorin> wood1 , what's the problem again ?
[08:47] <wood1> olorin, please see http://pastebin.com/127600
[08:47] <wood1> somebody please see the link above for my errors
[08:48] <olorin> wood1 , did you try to remove samba and reinstall it ?
[08:48] <olorin> wood1 , with dpkg
[08:49] <wood1> NO
[08:50] <wood1> olorin, any ideas
[08:51] <the_gummibear> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[08:51] <the_gummibear> Warning unknown option skin at line 50
[08:51] <the_gummibear> hmm, can someone have a look what his mplayer.conf says in the skin section?
[08:51] <wood1> dpkg -r samba produces:    invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba
[08:52] <olorin> wood1 , the same problem as with apt ... hum ...
[08:52] <wood1> Almost
[08:52] <tat> hello, i registered myself two days ago to the ubuntu wiki and now i get about 50 mails a day( i do  not realy need them) i'm used to mailinglist trafic but i can't support that, so i tried to logon to the page and stop that somehow, and i found no way to do that. HELP!!! how can i stop taht???
[08:52] <olorin> wood1 , try to rename the link K09samba
[08:52] <wood1> ok
[08:52] <olorin> wood1 , and re-run apt-get install -f
[08:53] <olorin> wood1 , try also /etc/init.d/samba stop and after apt
[08:53] <wood1> ok
[08:53] <the_gummibear> hmm, can someone have a look what his mplayer.conf says in the skin section pls?
[08:56] <wood1> olorin, olorin, olorin, thanks, thanks, you did it !!!!!!!
[08:56] <olorin> wood1 , ;) your welcome
[08:56] <the_gummibear> hmm, can someone have a look what his mplayer.conf says in the skin section pls?
[08:57] <olorin> the_gummibear , where is that exactly ?
[08:57] <the_gummibear> /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[08:57] <the_gummibear> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[08:57] <the_gummibear> Warning unknown option skin at line 50
[08:57] <wood1> how serious is a Virus threat in Ubuntu ?
[08:58] <olorin> the_gummibear , don't have anything about skins in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf ...
[08:58] <Synek> wood1: it's about 0,0 & ;)
[08:58] <mjr> wood1, very low currently
[08:58] <Synek> %
[08:58] <the_gummibear> hmm, this install is strange :p
[08:58] <the_gummibear> thx anyway
[08:58] <tahorg> wood1: it depends on the users
[08:58] <mjr> there aren't many Linux virii, and I don't think any can be found in the wild, really
[08:59] <olorin> the_gummibear , i did it ... hum ... i don't use gmplayer, just mplayer with no gui, it's the reason why
[08:59] <wood1> What about threats from hackers
[08:59] <mjr> that depends pretty much on how many network services you install
[08:59] <Asako> hello
[09:00] <blackout> i'm trying to get a sense of the security of sudo vs a regular superuser
[09:00] <the_gummibear> yeah, normally i use mplayer aswel.. but it's if there are other peepz on my pc (who're normally using windows)
[09:00] <mjr> though of course there may be some client-side exploits too, free browsers aren't immune
[09:00] <blackout> seems less secure in practical application, than alling, say, su, with no root logins
[09:00] <Asako> does anybody know if I can download a boot floppy for the ubuntu install?
[09:00] <Asako> my system won't boot the cd
[09:00] <olorin> wood1 , if your distro is up to date ... there is no serious problem
[09:00] <blackout> any thoughts, comments?
[09:00] <wood1> I went to a grc.com site and tested the most common ports which revealed Port 113 was open
[09:00] <blackout> seems like having a second password to do important things would be another layer of security added...
[09:01] <tahorg> blackout: why, because stealing the root pass is harder than stealing your user pass ?
[09:01] <blackout> tahorg, it is if you seldom type it in.  Say, use sudo for a lot of things, like apt-get, but don't let any user do everything but root
[09:01] <tahorg> If someone is able to steal you user pass, it might be the same for your root pass
[09:01] <mjr> blackout, if the root user is compromised, the attacker can simply wait until he does su and sniff the password
[09:01] <mirak> hi
[09:01] <mirak> I want to dual boot linux and windows
[09:01] <blackout> mjr, okay, but not if a user is
[09:01] <mirak> windows is on the slave drive
[09:01] <mjr> and by root user I mean the normal account of the administrator from where he su's
[09:02] <tahorg> blackout: of course, you have to restrain the sudo
[09:02] <mirak> but I can't make lilo boot on it
[09:02] <blackout> tahorg, but doesn't ubuntu leave it wide open?
[09:02] <blackout> tahorg, /etc/sudoers, with someonelisted as ALL?
[09:02] <mjr> wood1, that's the ident service, rather well-believed to be secure
[09:02] <wood1> blackout, to cut the story short, what's your main point ?
[09:02] <tahorg> blackout: I've switch to ubuntu from sid
[09:02] <tahorg> blackout: in my debian that was'nt the case
[09:03] <wood1> Are you in flavour of sudo or not ?
[09:03] <blackout> tahorg, nor in mine
[09:03] <blackout> wood1, i'm trying to figure it out
[09:03] <oly> eeek, i just set up ubuntu to use dual displays with different seperate screens ut how do i access the second screen ? :p
[09:03] <blackout> wood1, but i can't see how it could be as secure
[09:03] <oly> i can see a desktop but i can not move my mouse onto it :p
[09:03] <blackout> wood1, more convenient, yes
[09:03] <mjr> oly, perhaps you have the monitors set up the wrong way, try to move your mouse over the other edge of the screen?
[09:03] <tahorg> blackout: well, running all in root, a browser for example is really bad
[09:03] <blackout> wood1, esp. if you go NOPASSWD
[09:03] <the_gummibear> damnit, other mplayer problem.. if i go fullscreen mode then the movie ain't fullscreen, it just adds 'black' around the movie
[09:03] <blackout> tahorg, of course
[09:04] <tahorg> blackout: the use of sudo helps the user to install/update with the same pass
[09:04] <wood1> oly, maybe you are using a serial mouse
[09:04] <blackout> tahorg, but isn't sensible root usage > no root, just sudo, with all access for one user?
[09:04] <eruin> the_gummibear: why don't you just use totem-xine ?
[09:04] <blackout> tahorg, but why not just allow them acess to apt-get, apt-file, etc.?
[09:04] <the_gummibear> dunno, never did :p
[09:04] <oly> nope nneither side works
[09:04] <the_gummibear> i can give it atry
[09:04] <oly> and its a usb mouse
[09:04] <eruin> I've never had a problem with totemxine
[09:04] <tahorg> blackout: I don't know :)
[09:04] <blackout> tahorg, that's how i run my sudo... anything i acutally need to do as root often, i put in sudoers
[09:05] <oly> all i can think is perhaps i need a second mouse for the second display
[09:05] <blackout> tahorg, anything else, i leave out, so that someone can't get my pass and go nuts on my machine
[09:05] <oly> but that was never the case in windows
[09:05] <mjr> oly, well, then something very weird is going on. You are running just one dual-head-configured X server and not two on separate heads, aren't you?
[09:05] <tahorg> blackout: btw if you give access to apt-get, user can do about everything
[09:05] <the_gummibear> hmm, it needs to remove ubuntu-desktop to install that..
[09:05] <wood1> hey gummibear, you want to configure the GUI version of mplayer ?
[09:05] <the_gummibear> is that bad? or can i just remove that?
[09:05] <the_gummibear> idd wood1
[09:05] <blackout> tahorg, how's that?  He can't read files, etc...
[09:05] <oly> its a dual head card but seperate displays rather than one big desktop
[09:05] <the_gummibear> but it's says it's compiled without GUI support
[09:06] <Kirsch> hey guys, does anyone here use VMWare with Ubuntu?
[09:06] <tahorg> blackout: he can install his own package
[09:06] <mjr> oly, yes, but are you running a separate X server for the other screen or not?
[09:06] <mjr> 'cause you don't want to do that
[09:06] <oly> yeah
[09:06] <mjr> well, there's your problem then
[09:06] <blackout> tahorg, true... but not really.  HE can't modify /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:06] <oly> its the onlyt way to set it up how i want that i know of
[09:06] <Dabian> I want to map my meta key, so my system doesn't confuse meta and alt - which line do I put in XF86Config-4 ?
[09:06] <tahorg> which can, for example, add his user in /etc/sudoers
[09:06] <Asako> are there any boot floppies for the installer?
[09:07] <zerokarmaleft_> Kirsch, i use VMware
[09:07] <blackout> tahorg, i'm sure you can reconfigure things to misbehave, however
[09:07] <wood1> Does anybody know how clam anti virus works ?
[09:07] <Dabian> wood1: Yes.
[09:07] <Asako> it scans files?
[09:07] <oly> is there a way to make the mouse go between screens like you can do in nvidias twinview ?
[09:08] <blackout> well, if anyone runs across any good links expounding the virtues of sudo vs sensible root usage, i'd love to see it.
[09:08] <oly> i basically want a desktop per monitor thats all
[09:08] <mjr> oly, yes, configure your X server use the two heads
[09:08] <tahorg> blackout: might be, yes
[09:08] <the_gummibear> totem-xine works fine :)
[09:08] <the_gummibear> thx a lot
[09:08] <blackout> i've been looking.
[09:08] <mjr> instead of running two X servers
[09:08] <wood1> Dabian, tell me something about clam av
[09:08] <oly> okay, any inffo on how i would do that
[09:08] <oly> like a link ?
[09:08] <mjr> oly, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/ might be useful
[09:09] <blackout> and i'm assuming Ubuntu does security updates to everything, as necessary?
[09:09] <Dabian> blackout: I think there is even a howto on it .. isn't there something about it in /usr/share/doc/sudo ?  Actually I think the most usefull thing, is that it remembers the root password, unless you're multiple users.
[09:09] <oly> okay thanks mjr, youve been very helpful :P
[09:09] <tahorg> blackout: sudo against su for one command are almost the same
[09:09] <oly> i will see what i can do
[09:09] <mjr> oly, and if you don't like the Xinerama mode (since it provides one virtual desktop over the two screens), you can just comment out the Xinerama option line and the rest will work with the displays being separate
[09:09] <Dabian> blackout: There is also the issue with X programs .. but I am not clever.
[09:09] <tahorg> blackout: but I really prefere no shell as root
[09:10] <oly> ah excellent thats what i want :)
[09:10] <mjr> right; but otherwise follow the instructions there :)
[09:10] <blackout> tahorg, yes, but sudo with NO ROOT USER is very different
[09:11] <blackout> Dabian, that is very useful, and i totally agree that sudo will full access is a very userful thing
[09:11] <blackout> Dabian, i'm wondering about the security.
[09:11] <Dabian> Nobody wants to help me?
[09:11] <Dabian> blackout: Well, with sudu you can limit access .. root == full access, no?
[09:11] <blackout> tahorg, but, once you sudo, EVERY shell is root.
[09:11] <Dabian> (lest you run se-linux or stuff)
[09:12] <Dabian> blackout: Lest you do not allow shell with sudo.
[09:12] <blackout> Dabian, but Ubuntu doesn't do that.
[09:12] <blackout> Dabian, Ubuntu allows EVERYTHING
[09:12] <blackout> Dabian, no limit
[09:12] <Dabian> blackout: Ubuntu does what you command it to.
[09:12] <blackout> Dabian, and if you limit, then you have to have a root user, so that the limited things can be done.
[09:12] <Dabian> blackout: Defaults are there to be changed, although they better be sane.
[09:12] <blackout> Dabian, and now you're back to using sudo for somethings, so my original question stands
[09:13] <Dabian> blackout: Nah .. you can do it with sudo, no?
[09:13] <blackout> is there a good defense of full sudo access vs root user?
[09:13] <blackout> Dabian, what?
[09:13] <blackout> Dabian, missed what you were trying to communicate with the last one
[09:13] <Amaranth> blackout: not running commands as root unless you actually mean to
[09:13] <Dabian> blackout: root-shell == root-shell, I guess .. sudo logs better .. but root can do much.
[09:13] <blackout> Dabian, so can any user with full sudo.
[09:14] <Dabian> blackout: Exactly my point.
[09:14] <Amaranth> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:14] <Dabian> blackout: sudo with shell == root .. in some ways.
[09:14] <mjr> Amaranth, thank you, I was just looking for that link...
[09:14] <blackout> Amaranth, thanks, i'll look at that.
[09:14] <Dabian> blackout: But you can configure sudo to only allow some users that power.
[09:15] <Dabian> blackout: Then maybe your backup staff has access to run backup utilities as root etc.
[09:15] <blackout> Dabian, sure... but with root, only one gets it - even more secure.  and if you use sudo, you can give some people a subset
[09:15] <blackout> Dabian, no, you just give them root over what they need
[09:15] <mecca> whats the gui for cdrecord called :\
[09:15] <Dabian> blackout: But be carefull .. everytime you give someone power .. they are more likely be able to extend that power.
[09:15] <hwm> When I invoke mozilla, there is an excessive delay.  When I invoke it from the command line, I get back: "Error: No running window found " and then "
[09:16] <hwm> auto selected locale: en-US, followed shortly by cz-service: No windows, starting new one.  Then mozillla opens.  How do I fix this?
[09:18] <hwm> also, has anyone installed the sun jre into ubuntu and can tell me what, if anything, I need besides running the self extractor.
[09:18] <Dabian> hwm: javahome
[09:18] <jcole> since qt is evil, will the next release of ubuntu (which is supposed to have kde support), going to have a "without qt evilness" version?
[09:18] <Dabian> hwm: Sun's webpage has an exelent instruction
[09:18] <olorin> hwm , i did it
[09:18] <Dabian> hwm: Also, the readme is good.
[09:20] <blackout> Amaranth, excellent link - explains the Ubuntu position.  After reading it, I think it's a bad enough idea that the install should present both options, but it does ahere to the Ubuntu tenets of being easy to use.
[09:21] <grumbel> simple newbie question, I am I right in my assumption that ubuntu is basically a debian testing + security updates + a handfull of fixes/new software here and there?
[09:22] <fga> hello
[09:22] <mjr> grumbel, and some further integration and polishing and stuff
[09:22] <hwm> I just read the README and can find no installation instruction in it.  I do find a lot of information about java in general.
[09:22] <blackout> grumbel, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[09:22] <blackout> grumbel, should explain it all
[09:22] <olorin> hwm , sh file.bin
[09:22] <Dabian> grumbel: Easier install.
[09:22] <Dabian> grumbel: Better GNOME.
[09:22] <Dabian> etc.
[09:22] <Dabian> Paid developers.
[09:22] <fga> is someone familiar with acpi ?
[09:23] <BockBilbo> hello
[09:23] <Dabian> fga: Yes.
[09:23] <wood1> Amaranth, do you remember about the PC Clustering thing using openMosix, why is that project so outdated ?
[09:23] <Dabian> fga: Someone is.
[09:23] <wood1> openMosix hardly supports the 2.6.8 kernel
[09:23] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, im finally going to install ubuntu
[09:23] <fga> Dabian: sure :) i was thinking about someone here now
[09:24] <hwm> olorin: ?? sh file.bin?
[09:24] <BockBilbo> im so tired of trying to configure debian
[09:24] <BockBilbo> ...
[09:24] <Ribs> BockBilbo: Good choice
[09:24] <Ribs> I've fallen in love with this distro
[09:24] <BockBilbo> does anyone know if ubuntu detects the intel pro wireless card that comes with the centrinos
[09:24] <BockBilbo> thanks Ribs
[09:24] <olorin> hwm , did you download the .bin file from java/sun ?
[09:24] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:24] <Dabian> BockBilbo: Yeah .. someone knows.
[09:25] <BockBilbo> Dabian, what do you mean?
[09:25] <hwm> yes, and I chmod 755 and ran it - it ran me through the license agreement, I said yes and it did stuff.  is that it?  we're done now?
[09:25] <olorin> hwm , yes ...
[09:25] <olorin> just add the jre/bin/ in your $path
[09:26] <Dabian> BockBilbo: Well .. people has been working on the install .. it would be strange if noone had any idea.
[09:26] <BockBilbo> ohh
[09:26] <BockBilbo> (y)
[09:26] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:26] <Dabian> :)
[09:26] <BockBilbo> is it just one installation cd???
[09:26] <hwm> olorin:  that always confuses me...  how do I add a default path in root?
[09:27] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, yup
[09:27] <BockBilbo> im downloading warty-realease-install-i386
[09:27] <olorin> hwm , why as root ?
[09:27] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, thats the one
[09:27] <BockBilbo> i guess thats the newest release, right?
[09:27] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:27] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, yup
[09:27] <Ribs> newest stable release, yeah
[09:27] <olorin> hwm , why did you install jre ? for the mozilla plugin ?
[09:27] <Ribs> well, newest release at all really
[09:27] <hwm> olorin:  ie add /jre/bin to the root environment - because I am running an installer that is making a VM and I need to run that as root
[09:27] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, you can go to hoary......but there is no iso for it..........but change tyour source.list
[09:28] <BockBilbo> what is hoary?
[09:28] <BockBilbo> a newer release?
[09:28] <olorin> PATH=$PATH:/....../jre/bin/
[09:28] <olorin> BockBilbo , hoary is the unstable branch of ubuntu
[09:28] <olorin> BockBilbo , always in developpement
[09:28] <BockBilbo> ohh
[09:29] <BockBilbo> like sid on debian
[09:29] <BockBilbo> right???
[09:29] <blackout> how do security updates work in Ubuntu?  All packages in universe supported, or just main desktop?
[09:29] <crimsun> only Hoary will release. Sid won't.
[09:29] <Dabian> hoary?  What does that mean?
[09:29] <blackout> and does universe contain all debian packages, or just most?
[09:29] <Dabian> crimsun: Debian unstable started out like that.
[09:29] <Dabian> IIRC.
[09:29] <olorin> BockBilbo, it(s quite more unstable but it's the same idea
[09:29] <crimsun> blackout: only main. universe only contains a subset.
[09:30] <BockBilbo> ohh i see
[09:30] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:30] <BockBilbo> but.. for example.. what gnome version does warty have?
[09:30] <BockBilbo> 2.6??
[09:30] <crimsun> 2.8
[09:30] <BockBilbo> or 2.8?
[09:30] <BockBilbo> wow
[09:30] <olorin> BockBilbo , 2.8
[09:30] <blackout> crimsun, so if you run universe, you're pretty much totally unsecure?
[09:30] <olorin> BockBilbo , 2.8.1
[09:30] <BockBilbo> and hoary?
[09:30] <BockBilbo> wow..
[09:30] <olorin> BockBilbo , 2.9.1
[09:30] <BockBilbo> i see..
[09:31] <BockBilbo> sid just has 2.8
[09:31] <BockBilbo> i think
[09:31] <BockBilbo> :S
[09:31] <blackout> crimsun, and how much a subset is it?  50% 25% 75%?
[09:31] <BockBilbo> well... ill have the instalation cd in about 15 minutes
[09:31] <olorin> BockBilbo , so hoary is more unstable than sid
[09:31] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:31] <crimsun> blackout: no, because Sid receives updates (not branded security except in changelogs), and universe receives the relevant ones from Sid's pool
[09:31] <BockBilbo> yes
[09:31] <Asako> hoary is a bad name
[09:31] <BockBilbo> i guess ubuntu uses lilo as bootscreen right?
[09:31] <BockBilbo> or grub
[09:31] <catdog> I'm confused. Will the unstable branch remain being called hoary, or will hoary eventually become the latest stable with the creation of a new unstable?
[09:32] <catdog> Or am I more confused than i think i am?
[09:32] <Asako> I wish my computer would boot the ubuntu cd
[09:32] <Asako> maybe my bios is screwy
[09:32] <crimsun> catdog: Hoary will be released as the next stable.
[09:32] <blackout> crimsun, ah... gotcha.
[09:32] <nuOpus> hey does anyone know of a script for xchat that will automatically identify when I log into freenode?
[09:32] <BockBilbo> crimsun, so just like in debian
[09:32] <catdog> crimsun: thanks
[09:32] <olorin> BockBilbo , grub
[09:32] <Ribs> BockBilbo: I suggest you stick with stable for now
[09:32] <BockBilbo> right?
[09:32] <blackout> crimsun, and i take it, developers work to make sure they get into Ubuntu quickly, or is it like a 3-4 day delay thing?
[09:32] <Ribs> pureley 'cos you may end up with a broken system as stuff gets updates
[09:32] <hazmat> nuOpus, its built into xchat, see the server list esttings
[09:32] <crimsun> nuOpus: you don't need a script. It's built into the connect dialog
[09:32] <Ribs> updated*
[09:32] <BockBilbo> Ribs, i will
[09:33] <Amaranth> blackout: they use the autobuild system
[09:33] <BockBilbo> perhaps the stable version of ubuntu looks more like the unstable version of debian
[09:33] <Ribs> I am in fact in the process of 'downgrading' :)
[09:33] <BockBilbo> lol
[09:33] <Amaranth> and build their own packages from that
[09:33] <nuOpus> oh
[09:33] <nuOpus> LOL should have looked further
[09:33] <Ribs> BockBilbo: The great thing is that the next stable version will have Gnome 2.10
[09:33] <Ribs> even tho it will only be a few days old :)
[09:33] <BockBilbo> ohh
[09:33] <Dabian>  "altwin:meta_win".
[09:33] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:33] <Dabian> thats the right answer
[09:33] <Ribs> Ubuntu has the six month update thing, which strict release dates
[09:33] <Dabian> now I just need to know where to put it.
[09:34] <Ribs> just like Gnome does :)
[09:34] <crimsun> blackout: as Amaranth said, it's automatically built. Because the updates run every 30 minutes, sometimes Hoary will have the updated packages before Sid does.
[09:34] <BockBilbo> welll.. so.. now... tell me.. any of yoy know if ubuntu detects automatically the intel pro wireless card ??
[09:34] <blackout> crimsun, excellent.
[09:34] <Amaranth> btw, warty's universe repository doesn't recieve _any_ updates
[09:34] <blackout> Amaranth, thanks - that's important.
[09:34] <Amaranth> if you want to use universe you pretty much have to use the development version
[09:34] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: warty doesn't detect it automagically.  Hoary should when it's released.
[09:35] <olorin> hwm , just add PATH=$PATH:/... in your .bashrc
[09:35] <blackout> Amaranth, huh?
[09:35] <BockBilbo> and when will hoary be released???
[09:35] <blackout> Amaranth, use the stable or unstable version?
[09:35] <Amaranth> blackout: Using the stable version of Ubuntu (warty) with universe is a bad idea.
[09:35] <driftwolf> ok, so ubunto really rocks. full install, and only one problem. Do I just yell out my question, or is there a queue? ;-)
[09:35] <crimsun> driftwolf: yell.
[09:35] <olorin> hwm , no space between : and /
[09:35] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: April
[09:35] <olive_> yop
[09:35] <BockBilbo> ironwolf, ???
[09:35] <olorin> hwm PATH=$PATH:/
[09:35] <BockBilbo> ok
[09:35] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:35] <Amaranth> blackout: Using the unstable version (hoary) can be a bad idea overall if you don't know what you're doing.
[09:35] <driftwolf> cool. how the heck do I get my mouse working in X?  Everything else works.
[09:36] <BockBilbo> but well.. till then ill try setting it upo
[09:36] <blackout> Amaranth, why is warty bad with Universe?
[09:36] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:36] <crimsun> driftwolf: what type of mouse?
[09:36] <douglas> gnome
[09:36] <Amaranth> blackout: Because warty's universe is frozen.
[09:36] <blackout> Amaranth, sorry
[09:36] <douglas> sorry
[09:36] <olive_> have a quest on unbutu and apt-get please :-)
[09:36] <blackout> Amaranth, you already answered that
[09:36] <driftwolf> using MS USB mouse plugged in through 4-port KVM switch using PS/2 to USB converter
[09:36] <olorin> olive_ , just ask
[09:36] <ironwolf> hoary is a development release.  Sometimes it breaks, sometimes it breaks bad.  It's part of being a development release. :)
[09:36] <blackout> Amaranth, wow... so, you either run with a very limited subset of packages, or you run unsecured and unstable?
[09:36] <driftwolf> microsoft optical mouse, fwiw.
[09:37] <crimsun> driftwolf: may well be the kvm causing problems.
[09:37] <BockBilbo> xDDD
[09:37] <Amaranth> blackout: Run with a limited subset of packages (warty), run unsecured (warty w/universe), or run unstable (hoary).
[09:37] <BockBilbo> so well.. tell me... where does ubuntu take the sources from for apt?
[09:37] <BockBilbo> debian?
[09:37] <ironwolf> blackout: warty was the first ever release of ubuntu.  I imagine that the  missing packages will be resolved in time.
[09:37] <olive_> well i'm newbee on debian and i want to install a paquage that is in my folder ...
[09:37] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: It pulls from sid for most of the packages, yes.
[09:38] <olorin> olive_ , what type of package ?
[09:38] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: ubuntu has it's own souces.
[09:38] <olorin> olive_ , a .deb ?
[09:38] <BockBilbo> ok
[09:38] <ermo> olive_, are you sure, that's what you want to do?
[09:38] <Amaranth> olive_: That'd be sudo dpkg -i package_name.deb
[09:38] <olive_> amsn..deb
[09:38] <BockBilbo> wow..
[09:38] <BockBilbo> how long has ubuntu been out?
[09:38] <olive_> yop apt-get work with ftp source
[09:38] <crimsun> BockBilbo: since october
[09:38] <blackout> ironwolf, i sure hope so, because this is absolutely not a good soln for me.  I guess i'll have to stick with Debian.
[09:38] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: 10.04 was the first stable release.
[09:38] <olorin> olive_ , why not ' sudo apt-get install amsn ' ?
[09:38] <olive_> not in my folder ... argl
[09:38] <driftwolf> ok, so it's the kvm. anyone have any ideas how I should fix this? I've looked at /etc/X11/X86Config-4 but it looks kinda ok. I'm no expert with XFree though.
[09:38] <blackout> this sure is a cool experiment though.
[09:39] <olive_> i am in root
[09:39] <BockBilbo> so... its relatively new
[09:39] <BockBilbo> right?
[09:39] <ironwolf> blackout: give the liveCD a spin, see if you like it.  Then, if you need more than what's in Wary, load Hoary in < 6 months.
[09:40] <blackout> ironwolf, i already do... lots of heimdal, ldap, nss stuff
[09:40] <blackout> ironwolf, Hoary is including more stuff?
[09:40] <olive_> it search in sources.list i think
[09:40] <blackout> ironwolf, news to me, thanks.
[09:40] <catdog> When hoary is released will hoary/universe become unsupported?
[09:40] <ironwolf> blackout: is universe and multiverse in your sources?
[09:40] <nuOpus> dont smart upgrade hoary for at least a couple of days though
[09:40] <blackout> ironwolf, that's my point - i'm running debian now.  I won't run Ubuntu devel, it's too unstalbe
[09:40] <ironwolf> Universe and multiverse by definition are unsupported.
[09:40] <blackout> ironwolf, but i need good security.
[09:41] <hwm> olorin:  sorry to be so thick.  Provided that /usr/local/src/jre-1_4_2_06/j2re1.4.2_06/bin is my jre/bin , what specifically do I need to add to my .bashrc?  I tried your suggestion, but it still would not find anything in that bin dir
[09:41] <blackout> ironwolf, so i can't run packages not alreay in warty.
[09:41] <ironwolf> blackout: try the warty LiveCD
[09:41] <blackout> ironwolf, why's that?  More packages?
[09:41] <nuOpus> blackout: Have had no problems with hoary ... Like lots better than warty
[09:41] <ironwolf> blackout: warty has a universe and multiverse....
[09:41] <blackout> ironwolf, and a live CD reallyisn't a good desktop soln.
[09:41] <olive_> arglll it don't want to take the local package !!!
[09:41] <BockBilbo> what is universe??
[09:41] <hwm> and don't I need somewhere an EXPORT command?
[09:41] <Ribs> BockBilbo: aka. 'space'
[09:41] <nuOpus> BUT right now GNOME is switching to a new menu system and adding xmenus so right now you will lose the ubuntu computer menu and go back to default
[09:42] <Ribs> That black stuff you see when you look up at night
[09:42] <nuOpus> they say they will fix it soon though
[09:42] <Ribs> That's the universe
[09:42] <Ribs> well, some of it
[09:42] <BockBilbo> Ribs hehe
[09:42] <BockBilbo> xDDD
[09:42] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: universe is a place where unsupported stuff lives, but stuff you want.  mp3 encoders/decoders, etc.
[09:42] <BockBilbo> ohhh
[09:42] <BockBilbo> .....
[09:42] <blackout> ironwolf, Amaranth - thanks, you've been very helpful.  It's a bit disappointed that Ubuntu can't do what i'm looking for right now, but with a helpful community, i'll give it another look in 6 months.
[09:42] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: Multiverse is the same, only mirrored less, things like a full mplayer, codecs, etc are in multiverse
[09:43] <blackout> or soon, if i don't care about breakages.
[09:43] <BockBilbo> im a bit confused...
[09:43] <ironwolf> blackout: your always welcome. :)
[09:43] <BockBilbo> this is like getting into the matrix
[09:43] <BockBilbo> lol
[09:43] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:43] <BockBilbo> brb
[09:43] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: how can we fix your confusion?
[09:44] <BockBilbo> gonna burn the instalation cd
[09:44] <BockBilbo> ironwolf, one sex
[09:44] <BockBilbo> *sec
[09:44] <BockBilbo> lol
[09:45] <BockBilbo> im back
[09:45] <BockBilbo> the cd is been burning... im a bit nervous
[09:45] <olive_> Amaranth, i'll try it now
[09:46] <BockBilbo> ironwolf... so.. could we say that the universe are those sources you add to sources.list to access sources not listed in the official sources???
[09:47] <olive_> Amaranth, WoW dpkg don't take link ?
[09:48] <vpalle> are there any alternative desktop pagers for gnome, i would like to be able to move the windows through the pager like in fvwm
[09:48] <oly> W00t!! dual screens i am one happy person :)
[09:48] <Nexinarus> hey when ever i create a php file, ubuntu thinks its an html file mime type. How can i make it sure its a php file, every time?
[09:48] <oly> i missed out the leftof bit in the XF86config :p
[09:50] <driftwolf> ok, never mind. Thanks for the help. I see you're quite busy here. g'day
[09:51] <nuOpus> so what was blackout trying to do?
[09:55] <BockBilbo> brbr
[09:55] <BockBilbo> gonna install it
[09:55] <BockBilbo> thansk
[09:56] <hwm> can anyone tell me explicitly how to add /usr/local/src/jre-1_4_2_06/j2re1.4.2_06/bin  to root's path?  thanks.
[09:57] <olorin> hwn, is this a joke ?
[09:59] <hwm> olorin:  i'm sorry, I don't mean to misunderstand your advice, but when I try to implement it, as I understood it, it didn't result in adding this directory to the root environment.
[10:00] <hwm> olorin: doubtless, no fault to you, but my own lack of understanding
[10:00] <olorin> hwn, localy you can just type in a console : PATH=$PATH:/.../jre/bin/
[10:01] <olorin> hwm , after ' export PATH '
[10:01] <olorin> hwm , you ca add this two lines in the /etc/bash.bashrc
[10:05] <Nexinarus> How can i fix my mime types? Php files are inter-changed to html mime type and its really weird
[10:05] <Nexinarus> if i make a php file with gedit and save it, it thinks its a html mime type
[10:06] <Nexinarus> and highlights it as html. and naultilis browses the file as a html and wants to open it in firefox, which is wrong.
[10:06] <Gwildor|Work> Nexinarus, what do you want it to open with?....you can change that in nautilis
[10:07] <Doom3> I have a aopen 1557 notebook, with intel centrino.. how do I make the wlan work in Linux? I use ubuntu
[10:07] <eruin> I think the mimetype gets decided by the actual content of the file
[10:07] <Nexinarus> gedit, but everything thinks php files are html files even though it ends in .php
[10:07] <Nexinarus> so if i change the "open with" settings in nautilis, it changes html settings
[10:07] <oly> can anyone recommend me some tv software for ubuntu ?
[10:07] <Gwildor|Work> im just saying that you can change what app it opens with
[10:08] <oly> is dscaler available for linux at all ?
[10:08] <nyn_> Hello everyone!
[10:08] <Gwildor|Work> Nexinarus, click on it once.......then at the top bar...change the app
[10:08] <nyn_> I've just installed Ubuntu and have been enjoying it very much
[10:08] <Nexinarus> i know, ive done that,
[10:08] <nyn_> There's just this one thing that can't seem to fix...
[10:08] <Nexinarus> but thats a hack and im looking for a proper fix
[10:08] <nyn_> I have two sound devices: one onboard and one stand-alone card. Where do I set the system to use one of them?
[10:09] <adnans> hile, I lost the ubuntu style gnome menu (computer) when upgrading hoary. Any way to get it back?
[10:10] <RomPres> qmail successfully installed.
[10:10] <RomPres> Cool.
[10:10] <kent> adnans, it will probably get back next time you upgrade.
[10:11] <Gwildor|Work> Nexinarus, oh....when i do that, it normaly becomes the default app for that file type......
[10:12] <Nexinarus> same for me, but that changes html settings not php settings
[10:12] <Nexinarus> i dont want to disturb html settings
[10:12] <Doom3> How to make Wlan worke? I have a centrino notebook...
[10:12] <Gwildor|Work> Nexinarus, oh..i see, i have no idea then.......i dont know php.....sorry
[10:12] <adnans> Doom3, ndiswrapper works for me
[10:12] <Gwildor|Work> Nexinarus, maybe it has something to do with the encoding?
[10:13] <Doom3> andnans, what is that?
[10:13] <Nexinarus> Gwildor, yeah im thinking that
[10:13] <Nexinarus> it thinks they are html encoded but i donno how to make it php encoding :S
[10:14] <adnans> Doom3, kernel module which loads windoze NDIS drivers
[10:14] <adnans> Doom3, ndiswrapper.sf.net
[10:15] <Gwildor|Work> Nexinarus, all i ever used for web design is adobe go-live, i may be able to figure it out there........but other than that.....idk
[10:15] <Doom3> adnans, I found it with synaptic..
[10:15] <catdog> adnas: I wish ndiswrapper would work for me :(
[10:15] <Doom3> is it just to restart now? or do I have to do something?
[10:15] <BockBilbo> hello again
[10:15] <BockBilbo> i need a bit of help now..
[10:16] <BockBilbo> i just installed ubuntu...
[10:16] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: welcome back
[10:16] <BockBilbo> but it didnt ask me to set a password to root..
[10:16] <BockBilbo> :)
[10:16] <BockBilbo> thanks ironwolf
[10:16] <adnans> catdog, I had some trouble with the ubuntu supplied version, build my own and it works fine..
[10:16] <BockBilbo> how do i access to root mode??
[10:16] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: sudo is your friend.
[10:16] <novaburst> BB: sudo -s
[10:16] <BockBilbo> there is no root???
[10:17] <farruinn> BockBilbo, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:17] <novaburst> there is, but sudo works fine, just give it a try
[10:17] <BockBilbo> but it asks me for a password
[10:17] <BockBilbo> which i dont know what it is
[10:17] <farruinn> enter your admin passwd
[10:17] <farruinn> the one that you usse for your user
[10:17] <farruinn> that's how sudo works
[10:17] <farruinn> if you need a shell, sudo -s
[10:17] <Asako> sudo -s doesn't set the path right
[10:18] <Asako> if you try to apt-get install something it will fail
[10:18] <catdog> adnans: Well, I had to get a version later than the one carried by warty, just so it'd see the adaptor (ie, I either needed hoary's one or rolled my own).
[10:18] <BockBilbo> one sec
[10:19] <catdog> adnans: and I managed to get it to make a wlan0, but I still couldn't get any life out of the adaptor...
[10:19] <farruinn> Asako, aw, didn't realize that
[10:19] <farruinn> do you know what does?
[10:19] <catdog> sudo -H -s will set the correct path
[10:20] <farruinn> it's right there in the wiki
[10:21] <Asako> hmm, didn't see that
[10:21] <nyn_> how do you set the sound device to be used by the system? (there's nothing in preferences, system configuration, gconf....)
[10:22] <BockBilbo> thanks farruinn
[10:22] <adnans> catdog, since ndiswrapper doesn't suppor monitoring I have to manually config the essid for it to work. that sucks
[10:23] <BockBilbo> its wierd..
[10:23] <BockBilbo> should it load gnome in the first boot?
[10:24] <catdog> BockBilbo: after the _very_ first boot, base-config will run (curses based, not gnome). After that's done, I think it should give you the gnome login screen.
[10:25] <catdog> s/first boot/first reboot/
[10:25] <BockBilbo> catdog, you mean, after one reboot?
[10:25] <catdog> BockBilbo: Yeah. At least, I think so.
[10:25] <BockBilbo> ohh
[10:25] <BockBilbo> ok...
[10:26] <catdog> BockBilbo: Why? ...
[10:26] <BockBilbo> cause i though i installed it badly... and im reinstalling it again
[10:26] <BockBilbo> :s lol
[10:27] <confrey> hi everybody
[10:28] <confrey> I,m Italian, if here is Italian anybodym please query to me
[10:29] <confrey> I can't access to swat as root, because I made the fisdt access as user; how can I obtain full root privilegies in swat now?
[10:31] <the_gummibear> what's the amount of fps when running glxgears to see that your 3D acceleration is working decently?
[10:32] <geppy> At least 1,00.
[10:32] <geppy> *1,000
[10:32] <the_gummibear> ok, then it's working :)
[10:32] <the_gummibear> 7394 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1478.800 FPS
[10:32] <ironwolf> confrey: sudo -s
[10:33] <Doom3> Please, I need help to get the wlan to work... It works in Windows, The ubuntu instalation system found it, but now the wlan icon in gnome says: No wireles device
[10:33] <scoon> Doom3, what card is it ?
[10:34] <ironwolf> Doom3: Computer-->System Config-->networking setup a wireless connection.
[10:34] <Doom3> centrino
[10:34] <palle1> is there a dc++ for ubuntu???
[10:34] <Doom3> intel 2200
[10:34] <ironwolf> palle1: dc++??
[10:34] <palle1> direct connect ++
[10:35] <nyn_> how nice would it be to be able to change the sound device....
[10:35] <palle1> a p2p-prog where you can share and download all kinds of files, movies, programs, mp3's etc...
[10:35] <nyn_> i need to change the sound device, or else i have no sound, and then the system is no good
[10:35] <Lobowarty> warty install cd fails md5 checksum :( can anyone tell me if this is a known problem? I've tried 2 differnt systems; both fail to install. thanks
[10:35] <rem> hey all ..
[10:36] <rem> I cant make zinf go through my proxy server with syntax http://user:pass@proxy:port syntax in conf file...has anyone an idea ..?
[10:36] <Doom3> scoon any ideas?
[10:36] <scoon> Doom3, i think you need ndiswrapper for that.  there is a wiki on ubuntu on how to do that, or else google.
[10:36] <Lobowarty> btw, install cd was burned on winXP with NERO
[10:37] <Doom3> but how come the instalation system found it?
[10:37] <scoon> Doom3, and used it ?
[10:37] <rem> fyi just tried beatrix ubuntu live cd, and it works much better than gnoppix :)
[10:37] <Doom3> no, I used lan..
[10:38] <catdog> nyn_:sorry, I'm not sure how to do what you want. If you hang around about someone cleverer will be about who can. No reply just means no one here knows :)
[10:38] <scoon> Doom3, the install just echo'd what the bios told it.
[10:38] <Doom3> speak english.. Dont understandd
[10:38] <nyn_> but is seems so basic... changing the sound device... anyway, thanks for saying something catdog....
[10:38] <candyman> rem, beatrix?
[10:38] <nyn_> : (
[10:38] <rem> yup
[10:38] <scoon> Doom3, the BIOS knows what your computer has inside
[10:39] <Doom3> yes
[10:39] <Doom3> And I know
[10:39] <scoon> Doom3, the operating system needs modules to use it.
[10:39] <catdog> nyn_: well, most computers only have one sound device ...
[10:39] <scoon> Doom3, so, the install just spit out what the BIOS told it.
[10:39] <Doom3> and what would that be for intel 2200
[10:39] <scoon> Doom3, check it out: lspci -v
[10:39] <rem> http://www.watsky.net/
[10:39] <rem> mix knoppix and ubuntu ..
[10:40] <scoon> Doom3, i already said i think you need ndiswrapper, there is an ubuntu wiki page on how to set that up or else try google.
[10:40] <Lobowarty> simpler question: can anyone point me in the direction of cd burning software with which they succesfully burned a warty install cd?
[10:40] <Gwildor|Work> nero
[10:40] <scoon> Lobowarty, cdrecord
[10:40] <nyn_> but come on, shouldn't there be an entry for 'sound' on system configuration?
[10:40] <rem> on what os lobo ?
[10:40] <Lobowarty> I tried nero; thanks, will check out cdrecord
[10:40] <nyn_> there's just nowhere to configure the sound device...
[10:40] <Lobowarty> winxp preferably
[10:40] <rem> i burned mine on k3b, nux
[10:40] <scoon> Lobowarty, cdrecord is for linux
[10:41] <Lobowarty> something must've gone wrongon my end
[10:41] <rem> or get knoppix live cd and burn it with k3b. But Nero should work ..
[10:41] <Lobowarty> no prob, I'll try that
[10:41] <Lobowarty> rem: thanks
[10:41] <scoon> Lobowarty, yes micro$soft did.... ;)
[10:41] <Doom3> 0000:02:06.0 Network controller: Intel Corp. Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05)
[10:41] <Doom3>         Subsystem: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2701
[10:41] <Doom3>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
[10:41] <rem> ..on win xp that is ..
[10:41] <Doom3>         Memory at d0202000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
[10:41] <Doom3>         Capabilities: <available only to root>
[10:41] <scoon> Doom3, now do you understand
[10:42] <scoon> Doom3, the BIOS gave that info to the kernel during boot.
[10:42] <Doom3> no, what do I need to do?
[10:42] <Lobowarty> I burned with nero; it gave me an error about 80% into installing base system
[10:42] <scoon> Doom3, FOR THE THIRD TIME: THERE IS AN UBUNTU WIKI OR ELSE CHECK OUT GOOGLE
[10:42] <scoon> Doom3, ndiswrapper is what you are interested in.
[10:42] <catdog> Lobowarty: ISORecorder (for winxp) works nicely. Does exactly what it says on the tin...
[10:43] <Doom3> Ok, I search for ndiswrapper in the wiki
[10:43] <rem> burn it slower or download it again (if you have a fast connexion this should be ok .. :P)
[10:43] <Lobowarty> catdog: thanks, I'll check it out
[10:43] <Lobowarty> rem: never had problems before with that
[10:43] <speel> hey i have 2 questions 1. is it ok if i add debian repositorys and 2. where can i find them
[10:43] <scoon> speel: yes and google
[10:44] <thenuke> /topic google.
[10:44] <BockBilbo> ok
[10:44] <BockBilbo> now im in ubuntu
[10:44] <BockBilbo> using gnome
[10:44] <BockBilbo> :)
[10:44] <speel> sweet ;) ok thanks
[10:44] <thenuke> FAQ: www.google.fi =)
[10:44] <farruinn> I'm having some problems getting sound from some apps - they only work when esd isn't running.
[10:44] <farruinn> But if I kill esd then I don't have sound in any gnome apps
[10:44] <BockBilbo> :D
[10:45] <rem> could be several things... check your system is not too busy with other tasks, make sure the cd is ok, that the iso image is ok(download a new one to be sure..), burn slower...thats what i would try ...or get www.knoppix.org live cd and burn with k3b ..
[10:45] <netmonk> BockBilbo, congratulations
[10:45] <BockBilbo> why doesnt it play mp3s??
[10:45] <BockBilbo> thanks netmonk
[10:45] <BockBilbo> :)
[10:45] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, follow the restrictedformats wiki page
[10:46] <rem> (i lke gnome much better, but have les propblems burning with k3b than gnome.. :P)
[10:46] <netmonk> BockBilbo, see the topic
[10:46] <netmonk> ;)
[10:46] <speel> hey is any one having trouble with software installed with the cds maild to them?
[10:46] <speel> in particular synaptic
[10:46] <Gwildor|Work> speel, i think some ppl do
[10:46] <Gwildor|Work> speel, nvm...not that
[10:46] <Lobowarty> rem:tried knoppix and works fine. ubuntu live works fine too (typing from it right now)
[10:46] <BockBilbo> ok
[10:46] <speel> hmm ok
[10:46] <rem> u can try to burn ubuntu from there ..
[10:47] <Lobowarty> yes, will try that
[10:47] <Lobowarty> thanks & bye
[10:48] <rem> tchao
[10:48] <speel> grr i searched google for debian repos but cant find a list
[10:48] <BockBilbo> thanks you all
[10:48] <BockBilbo> there is a great documentation
[10:49] <BockBilbo> :)
[10:49] <scoon> speel, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian+%2B+repositories&btnG=Google+Search
[10:50] <sgood1971> Hi all, anyone know how to turn off touchpad tap mode on a laptop?
[10:50] <scoon> speel, or check out debian.org
[10:50] <speel> i found
[10:50] <speel> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html had
[10:51] <BockBilbo> i have a question on sudo...
[10:51] <Gwildor|Work> shoot
[10:52] <Nivlem> Ok...udev creates the device node for a device and then hotplug figures out what to do with the device...how do I go about figuring out what device was created for my iPod connected via firewire?
[10:52] <BockBilbo> ...
[10:52] <arthur> hi, i have an cdrom drive, that ubuntu don't find it.. dmesg shows mine drive (hdc), but /dev/hdc don't exist
[10:52] <BockBilbo> should it be better to have a root account???
[10:52] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, ask away
[10:52] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, i think the sudo is better....
[10:53] <arthur> BockBilbo, if u want root account try: sudo su
[10:53] <Nivlem> arthur: read up on makedev
[10:53] <Kamion> Nivlem: makedev is mostly irrelevant on Ubuntu
[10:53] <BockBilbo> arthur thanks, but ive already read it on the wiki
[10:53] <Kamion> Nivlem: we use udev, which dynamically creates devices
[10:53] <sgood1971> arthur: I just use su and it works fine, should it not work like that?
[10:53] <arthur> Kamion, what should I do then?
[10:54] <Kamion> arthur: file a bug with as many details as you can think of
[10:54] <Nivlem> Kamion: His question was related to the fact that it hasn't mapped(created) the device for /dev/hdc
[10:54] <arthur> sgood1971, u setted an root passwd
[10:54] <sgood1971> I did. Ok, I get it.
[10:54] <BockBilbo> well i kinda think im gonna love this distro
[10:54] <BockBilbo> :)
[10:55] <arthur> Nivlem, makedev, i need to insttall this?
[10:55] <zerokarmaleft> BockBilbo, i kinda think i already love this distro
[10:55] <Nivlem> arthur: I don't believe so...I did a man makedev and it came up..
[10:55] <BockBilbo> zerokarmaleft, hehe
[10:55] <arthur> Nivlem, oh, right... i tried running makedev
[10:55] <BockBilbo> :)
[10:55] <Nivlem> arthur: It may be possible to read up on udev too and force it somehow to create the device node for hdc
[10:56] <arthur> Nivlem, MAKEDEV is the command...
[10:56] <scoon> arthur, i have a 2nd gen ipod and my node is sda2
[10:56] <BockBilbo> well... the next step i have to do is to configure the wireless card...
[10:56] <Nivlem> arthur: yes..
[10:56] <BockBilbo> in the instalation process ubuntu detected it
[10:56] <Kamion> Nivlem: sure, MAKEDEV hdc or whatever would do it once
[10:56] <scoon> arthur, usually hd* is something on ide bus
[10:56] <BockBilbo> but didnt work fine...
[10:56] <Kamion> Nivlem: won't be preserved across reboot though
[10:57] <arthur> scoon, yeah, dmesg shows my cdrom drive is hdc
[10:57] <scoon> arthur, so what is the problem ?
[10:57] <arthur> scoon, i dont' have an /dev/hdc "link"
[10:58] <arthur> scoon, nor an /dev/cdrom
[10:58] <scoon> arthur, but dmesg | grep hdc
[10:58] <NeoGeo64> Help, what distro can I run on a Pentium 133 w/ 16mb ram?
[10:58] <Nivlem> arthur: Which is it? You don't have a device under /dev that is for hdc..or you need to create a symlink for it?
[10:58] <BockBilbo> doesnt "sudo apt-get upgrade" work???
[10:58] <arthur> scoon, ide1: BM-DMA at 0xe008-0xe00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
[10:58] <arthur> hdc: HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4480B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[10:58] <arthur> output from dmesg | grep hdc
[10:58] <BockBilbo> i want to upgrade the system...
[10:59] <scoon> arthur, stat /dev/hdc
[10:59] <arthur> scoon, file or directory not found
[10:59] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, you prob are up to date, but try sudo apt-get update.....sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:59] <Nivlem> Kamion: I was asking how to go about determining what device udev has created for my iPod..any idea?
[10:59] <scoon> arthur, what is the entry in fstab ?
[11:00] <BockBilbo> Gwildor|Work, ive tried it
[11:00] <BockBilbo> ...
[11:00] <BockBilbo> but it downloads nothing
[11:00] <arthur> cat /etc/fstab | grep hdc: /dev/hdc        /mnt/cdrom      auto            user,noauto,exec,ro            0 0
[11:00] <BockBilbo> i guess im uptodate
[11:00] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:00] <BockBilbo> thanks
[11:00] <BockBilbo> im going to bed
[11:01] <BockBilbo> thanks to you all
[11:01] <scoon> arthur, have you changed anything ?
[11:01] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:01] <NeoGeo64> Help, what distro can I run on a Pentium 133 w/ 16mb ram?
[11:01] <originalbrownste> NeoGeo64, your somewhat memory bound you might be able to run something like fluxbox
[11:01] <Kamion> Nivlem: I think it's syslogged, but I'm really not much of a udev expert
[11:01] <arthur> scoon, no... i installed from an LiveCD, using debootstrap, since i don't have an cd-burner
[11:01] <moquist> is there a nice straightforward way to create an initrd image, or do I need to do it manually (dd, mke2fs, mount -oloop, cp, cp, cp, etc.)?
[11:01] <BockBilbo> neogeo, debian
[11:01] <BockBilbo> with fluxbox
[11:01] <BockBilbo> ??
[11:01] <NeoGeo64> This is an old computer
[11:01] <NeoGeo64> from 1996
[11:01] <arthur> scoon, i followed instruction on ubuntu wiki
[11:01] <BockBilbo> i know
[11:02] <NeoGeo64> I do, however, have 2gb hdd
[11:02] <BockBilbo> use debian, and install x-window-system
[11:02] <scoon> arthur, that sounds like a bug should be filed
[11:02] <NeoGeo64> i could use alot of swap
[11:02] <NeoGeo64> like 128mb
[11:02] <BockBilbo> with fluxbox or wmaker
[11:02] <Nivlem> Kamion: Ok thank you..
[11:02] <BockBilbo> those window managers dont need much memory
[11:02] <originalbrownste> NeoGeo64, i have a pentium 133 but with a bit more memory, it'll probably do quite a bit of swapping
[11:02] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:02] <NeoGeo64> this is for someone who knows nothing about computers
[11:02] <arthur> scoon, hmm... :(
[11:02] <BockBilbo> wow...
[11:02] <scoon> arthur, man udev and read it over, it will help you get back on track
[11:02] <NeoGeo64> so flux is out of the question
[11:02] <BockBilbo> ok...
[11:03] <BockBilbo> wmaker???
[11:03] <NeoGeo64> no
[11:03] <zerokarmaleft> ratpoison, lol
[11:03] <NeoGeo64> its not idiot friendly
[11:03] <arthur> scoon, right, i'll try that...
[11:03] <scoon> NeoGeo64, openbox
[11:03] <scoon> arthur, one last thing
[11:04] <scoon> arthur, /sbin/lsmod | grep ide_cd
[11:04] <NeoGeo64> never seen openbox
[11:04] <NeoGeo64> is it idiot friendly?
[11:04] <NeoGeo64> does it come with solitaire?
[11:04] <NeoGeo64> heh
[11:04] <scoon> NeoGeo64, is anything ?
[11:04] <arthur> scoon, no output
[11:04] <NeoGeo64> I'm looking for something windows-like
[11:04] <NeoGeo64> that shes used to
[11:04] <scoon> arthur, try this modprobe -v ide-cd
[11:04] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[11:04] <HaRDaWaY> ;)
[11:04] <BockBilbo> neogeo
[11:05] <BockBilbo> i think there was a window manager that looked just exactly as win95
[11:05] <NeoGeo64> fvwm95
[11:05] <NeoGeo64> or something
[11:05] <arthur> scoon, worked now... :D
[11:05] <BockBilbo> yeah
[11:05] <BockBilbo> i think so...
[11:05] <BockBilbo> have you tried it?
[11:05] <scoon> arthur, put ide-cd in /etc/modules
[11:05] <scoon> arthur, that will load that module during boot and give you your /dev/hdc
[11:05] <arthur> scoon, i done this.
[11:05] <NeoGeo64> um
[11:06] <arthur> ide-cd or ide_cd ?
[11:06] <palle1> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[11:06] <palle1> what does this mean????
[11:06] <NeoGeo64> so now where can i download a distro with fvxm95
[11:06] <NeoGeo64> fvwm95*
[11:06] <BockBilbo> neogeo
[11:06] <BockBilbo> install debian
[11:06] <BockBilbo> then x-window-system
[11:06] <BockBilbo> and finaly
[11:06] <scoon> arthur, ide-cd
[11:06] <BockBilbo> apt-get install fvwm95
[11:06] <BockBilbo> gotta go
[11:06] <palle1> Bockbilbo me??
[11:06] <arthur> scoon, ok.. thx!!
[11:06] <mjr> NeoGeo64, if you have a more powerful machine available, I really suggest that you just install whatever *nux system on that 16 meg box and use it just as an X terminal to the better box
[11:07] <BockBilbo> nop palle1
[11:07] <palle1> okay
[11:07] <BockBilbo> i was talking to Neogeo64
[11:07] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:07] <BockBilbo> well
[11:07] <BockBilbo> bye!
[11:07] <palle1> cya
[11:07] <BockBilbo> and thanks to all!!!
[11:07] <NeoGeo64> mjr this is for my mom's friend
[11:07] <NeoGeo64> she got this machine and she wants it to work so she can play solitaire
[11:07] <ViN86> :o
[11:07] <mjr> I used to have an old SparcStation for my live-in SO as an X term to my main Linux box
[11:07] <ViN86> you need opengl drivers for that
[11:07] <NeoGeo64> pretty much it
[11:07] <ViN86> lol, im jk ;P
[11:08] <mjr> NeoGeo64, okay
[11:08] <NeoGeo64> so... what
[11:08] <NeoGeo64> fuck it
[11:08] <NeoGeo64> ill use slackwared
[11:08] <NeoGeo64> ware*
[11:08] <palle1> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[11:08] <NeoGeo64> it uses fvwm95
[11:08] <palle1> what does that mean????
[11:09] <ViN86> anyone have experience with WEP ?
[11:09] <kent> palle1, you lack the X development packages.  Check for them with synaptic (or apt)
[11:09] <ViN86> if i install unbuntu on my T42, i need to know how well WEP works ;)
[11:09] <palle1> kent: what are they called?
[11:10] <moquist> ViN86: a bit.  oh- you mean Ubuntu-specific experience?
[11:10] <ViN86> yes
[11:10] <kent> palle1, not sure. Probably xfree-dev or something.  Check with synaptic. search for xfree  and install the once with -dev*. That might work.
[11:10] <ViN86> im usin WEP in winbloze, but i need to know how well/easily it works in ubuntu
[11:10] <palle1> kent: okay thnx...
[11:11] <moquist> ViN86: I'm currently compiling my stock kernel so I can add my binary drivers for my 11g PCMCIA card.  So I know I'll be using a custom script to manage my w/l... probably not a typical situation.
[11:11] <ViN86> k
[11:11] <ViN86> but no scripts pre configured for wireless or what?
[11:11] <moquist> ViN86: but I guess I can stick a spare 'b card in there now to see what's already there, huh?  :)
[11:11] <ViN86> hehe
[11:12] <ViN86> that would be a great help
[11:12] <RuffianSoldier> How can I get Totem to play a DVD?
[11:12] <ViN86> ive talked to a guy who runs ubuntu on his iBook, said the wireless was a snap
[11:12] <geppy> RuffianSoldier:  Try libdvdread
[11:12] <ViN86> only problem is the wireless i use runs via WEP and VPN :/
[11:12] <ViN86> geppy: dont forget libdvdcss
[11:13] <moquist> ViN86: trying it now - will let you know.
[11:13] <ViN86> k, thx
[11:13] <afonit> ViN86:  I just got my ppc ubuntu cd's today, and the wireless was a snap
[11:13] <RuffianSoldier> geppy, ?? apt-get it?
[11:13] <geppy> RuffianSoldier:  Right.
[11:14] <ViN86> afonit: you use any security features or anything?
[11:14] <afonit> nope
[11:14] <afonit> but it did ask me that, and then provided me with a place to insert the key's if I did
[11:14] <afonit> but we don't, so I did not insert any
[11:14] <RuffianSoldier> geppy, no such thing
[11:15] <ViN86> nice ;)
[11:15] <moquist> afonit: 802.11b, I assume?  (IIRC, there aren't open source drivers for 11g cards, at least not Apple's)
[11:15] <afonit> \amoquist: yes
[11:16] <afonit> ViN86: also, the f1 and f2 that control the brightness of the pannel also automatically worked
[11:16] <palle1> checking for libXext... no
[11:16] <palle1> configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. Since configure
[11:16] <palle1> can't find it itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldn't find
[11:16] <palle1> them either.
[11:16] <palle1> what does this mean??
[11:16] <bob2> palle1: that you shouldn't be compiling stuff
[11:16] <palle1> bob2 what?
[11:16] <ViN86> afonit: ehh, what panel?
[11:16] <palle1> bob2 why not?
[11:16] <ViN86> like, screen brightness on laptops?
[11:16] <afonit> the lcd panel
[11:17] <palle1> bob2 i need this program, it's direct connect
[11:17] <afonit> ViN86: the lcd panel, the display
[11:17] <ViN86> heh, i thought thats what you meant.  thats pretty cool
[11:17] <moquist> hmmm... the network settings application quit unexpectedly...
[11:17] <bob2> palle1: that's in Debian
[11:17] <ViN86> afonit: what kind of laptop you run?
[11:17] <ViN86> mines a T42
[11:18] <palle1> bob2 huh?
[11:18] <afonit> ViN86:  I have an Ibook and a powerbook, but only tried ubuntu on the ibook so far
[11:18] <ViN86> kk
[11:18] <bob2> palle1: dcgui - Direct Connect Graphical client (GTK+) (peer-based file-sharing)
[11:18] <bob2> palle1: that's in ubuntu
[11:19] <palle1> bob2 okay where can i get that then?
[11:19] <bob2> palle1: it's in the universe repository
[11:19] <bob2> palle1: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHwoto
[11:20] <Q-collective> what fs is best to use?
[11:20] <bob2> if you don't know, ext3
[11:20] <ViN86> he doesnt know
[11:20] <moquist> ViN86: not having so much luck here.  i try to activate the interface, and the checkmark in the "Active" box disappears after a few seconds.  I'm guessing it's not successfully connecting to the WAP?  (I tried DHCP first, 'cuz that's what I want.  But I can't even set a manual address.)
[11:21] <Q-collective> lol ViN86
[11:21] <palle1> bob2: ohh, okay i found it now... thnx
[11:21] <ViN86> lol
[11:21] <ViN86> ;)
 what fs is best to use? <-- that's ViN86's question actually ;P
[11:21] <ViN86> moquist: hmmmm
[11:21] <Q-collective> but I agree on ext3
[11:21] <ViN86> how you loading the card? via GUI or modprobe or what?
[11:22] <moquist> ViN86: ehhh, now I'm trying to connect to my open WAP, and I'm seeing the same behavior.
[11:22] <ViN86> Q-collective: i use ext3 on my slackware machine ;)
[11:22] <Q-collective> good boy
[11:22] <ViN86> moquist: k
[11:22] <ViN86> hehe
[11:22] <moquist> ViN86: i'm trying it the gui-y way.  i wanted to get a "regular user" perspective before poking around on the command line myself.
[11:22] <ViN86> k
[11:23] <ViN86> well, does it find the right modules for you or no?
[11:23] <Dabian> bye guys
[11:24] <moquist> ViN86: the hermes, orinoco, and orinoco_cs modules loaded automatically; I believe that's correct. (been a while since I used this card...)
[11:24] <ViN86> hehe k
[11:24] <ViN86> thats cool
[11:24] <Dabian> Remember, freedom over beer!  ( http://www.gnu.org )
[11:24] <ViN86> im hopin all my needed drivers will be nicely included in the kernel
[11:24] <moquist> sounds like an invitation to an invigorating discussion
[11:26] <Q-collective> lol
[11:26] <Q-collective> ViN86: well, *almost* all drivers ;)
[11:27] <ViN86> lol, good point
[11:27] <ViN86> you never know though, the 2.6.x kernels have _AWESOME_ nforce2 support
[11:27] <ViN86> ;)
[11:28] <|trey|> Hey... for some reason, I am getting default GNOME menu's in hoary... is this something I did, or is this a problem with the latest packages? afaik, I didn't do anything that might have caused this...
[11:28] <RuffianSoldier> How can I get Totem to play DVDs?
[11:28] <moquist> ViN86: uh, the w/l config info I entered into the GUI showed up in /etc/network/interfaces, and now I've changed info in the GUI and the interfaces file isn't changing.  :-p
[11:29] <ViN86> lol
[11:29] <s0cks> lol
[11:29] <s0cks> bare bones windows rocks.
[11:29] <ViN86> you have the right permissions?
[11:29] <RuffianSoldier> How can I get Totem to play DVDs?
[11:29] <ViN86> RuffianSoldier: you have all the correct lib's?
[11:29] <RuffianSoldier> better yet, how can I play DVDs in Linux?
[11:29] <RuffianSoldier> I dont know
[11:29] <ViN86> ie libdvdplay, libdvdcss
[11:29] <RuffianSoldier> just installed
[11:30] <RuffianSoldier> ViN86, libdvdcss says "No install candidate"
[11:30] <ViN86> hmmm, what does that mean?
[11:30] <|trey|> Anyone? This is annoying... fresh install... I am getting "Actions" again... I don't want that  :(
[11:30] <ViN86> you compiling from source or what?
[11:30] <RuffianSoldier> root@beatrix:~# apt-get install libdvdplay
[11:30] <RuffianSoldier> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:30] <RuffianSoldier> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:30] <RuffianSoldier> E: Couldn't find package libdvdplay
[11:30] <RuffianSoldier> root@beatrix:~#
[11:31] <smo> RuffianSoldier: Visit the readme under /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/   (if it's not already there, you'll need libdvdread3 too)
[11:31] <|trey|> RuffianSoldier, you have Mutliverse and Universe enabled?
[11:31] <RuffianSoldier> I dont know
[11:31] <RuffianSoldier> this distro uses Ubuntu repos
[11:31] <RuffianSoldier> but its not ubuntu
[11:31] <ViN86> i would use mplayer personally, that or xine
[11:32] <RuffianSoldier> how is Xine?
[11:32] <RuffianSoldier> i have mplayer, but it wont open
[11:32] <zerokarmaleft> RuffianSoldier, or totem-xine
[11:32] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: I hope I'm not repeating anything, but there's a decent write-up on Multimedia in Ubuntu in the forums: http://tinyurl.com/6a22q
[11:32] <zenwhen> RuffianSoldier, or you could try VLC.
[11:33] <RuffianSoldier> whats VLC like?
[11:33] <RuffianSoldier> im installing it
[11:33] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: (that write-up includes directions to get DVD's playing)
[11:34] <ViN86> *cough* xine
[11:35] <originalbrownste> lol
[11:35] <ViN86> heh :)
[11:35] <RuffianSoldier> ViN86 - xine wont install
[11:36] <catdog> ubuntu could do with having a howto menu, with links to all the major howtos on the forum/wiki...
[11:36] <padlefot> i honestly think ubuntu needs some more time to develop
[11:36] <|trey|> catdog, that would result in a clustered menu...
[11:36] <padlefot> before ill consider using it for all my computers
[11:36] <Kamion> catdog: a lot of those were written *after* the release ... :)
[11:37] <catdog> Kamion: ahh yes, of course :)
[11:38] <stellablack> buonasera a tutti
[11:38] <|trey|> padlefot, what makes you say that? all it lacks is the pretties of Fedora/Suse etc... however its one of the fastest around imo
[11:38] <Doom3> Ok, now I have instaled ndiswrapper, and followed the instruction to install the .inf file,, and modeprobe it.. still no wlan... what to do?
[11:39] <Doom3> eth1      unassociated  ESSID:"vwkrw2"
[11:39] <Doom3>           Mode:Managed  Channel=0  Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00
[11:39] <Doom3>           Bit Rate=0kb/s   Tx-Power=20 dBm
[11:39] <Doom3>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[11:39] <Doom3>           Power Management:off
[11:39] <catdog> Doom3: have a look in /var/log/syslog, or /var/log/messages, do you have any relevant messages in them?
[11:39] <catdog> Doom3: (refering to wlan0, say)
[11:40] <Nivlem> Ok for anyone that cares... cat /proc/scsi/scsi is how I found my iPod connection
[11:40] <mg> hurray for topics. i won't say a work about the action menu :).
[11:40] <stellablack> i`m looking for a command line midi player,can anyone help me?thanx
[11:40] <Doom3> persistent database - sleeping.
[11:40] <Doom3> Dec  8 23:37:58 localhost kernel: ndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)
[11:40] <catdog> Doom3: also, does 'ndiswrapper -l' show your hardware as recognised?
[11:40] <RuffianSoldier> DAMNIT! VLC keeps closing on me
[11:40] <Doom3> Dec  8 23:37:58 localhost kernel: ndiswrapper: driver w22n51.sys (Intel,01/02/2004,8.0.12.9000) added
[11:40] <Doom3> Dec  8 23:37:59 localhost udev[4528] : creating device node '/dev/ndiswrapper'
[11:41] <|trey|> mg, ahh... I should read topics more often  :o
[11:41] <Doom3> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[11:41] <mg> |trey|: that's what they're there for
[11:41] <Doom3>         LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US:en",
[11:41] <Doom3>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[11:41] <Doom3>         LANG = "en"
[11:41] <Doom3>     are supported and installed on your system.
[11:41] <Doom3> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[11:41] <Doom3> WARNING:
[11:41] <Doom3> This tool allows you to use a driver written for the Windows operating
[11:42] <Doom3> system on Ubuntu. Please note that the use of such drivers is entirely
[11:42] <Doom3> unsupportable by the Ubuntu team, and not recommended, even if it is
[11:42] <Doom3> theoretically possible with this tool.
[11:42] <catdog> doom3: there is a #flood....
[11:42] <Doom3> Installed ndis drivers:
[11:42] <Doom3> w22n51  hardware present
[11:42] <Doom3> catdog.. yes?
[11:42] <stellablack> i`m looking for a command line midi player,can anyone help me?thanx
[11:42] <padlefot> |trey|: I actually really like it, i just think theres other distros that has better allround support, and i've experienced some problems with X..
[11:42] <|trey|> stellablack, apt-cache search midi
[11:43] <Doom3> any ideas catdog?
[11:43] <stellablack> |trey|: thanx,now i try
[11:43] <|trey|> padlefot, no distro provides support for free... what kind of X issues?
[11:44] <ViN86> padlefot: which distros? which probs with X?
[11:44] <catdog> Doom3: so no references to a wlan0 in syslog/
[11:44] <ViN86> i like slackware, but thats just me and thousands of others, heh
[11:44] <padlefot> screen resolutin issues, and i bet ubuntu support like here on IRC will florish with time.. just like the older distros, and every has a favorite ;)
[11:44] <ViN86> yes hehe
[11:45] <Doom3> no
[11:45] <catdog> Doom3: All I can say is google for the model off your wlan adaptor/wlan adaptor chipset...
[11:45] <catdog> s/off/of/
[11:45] <|trey|> ViN86, Slackware users just like to waste time doing pointless tasks cuz it makes them feel smart  :/
[11:45] <moquist> ViN86: the GUI acts like it's not applying the information I enter into it.  it also doesn't kill dhclient processes if I disable or delete the interface.  :(
[11:45] <|trey|> padlefot, slapt-get  :/
[11:45] <padlefot> never tried :S
[11:45] <ViN86> |trey|: id respond to that, but personally i dont care cause distro wars are ghey
[11:46] <ViN86> open source == open source == open source, thats how i see it
[11:46] <padlefot> :)
[11:46] <padlefot> true
[11:46] <padlefot> but still..
[11:46] <Doom3> reshey@ubuntu2:~ $ iwconfig wlan0
[11:46] <Doom3> wlan0     No such device
[11:46] <|trey|> ViN86, what seperates distro's for you? for me, its the package management and community...
[11:47] <moquist> Doom3: the linux-wlan drivers don't support the wireless extensions (including the iwconfig utility)
[11:48] <Doom3> moquist, well what to do to check it then?
[11:48] <catdog> Doom3: Have you checked out the wlan howtos and wikis on www.ubuntulinux.org?
[11:48] <straterra_> ...
[11:49] <Doom3> catdog yes, I have done it
[11:49] <Doom3> Installed ndis drivers:
[11:49] <Doom3> w22n51  hardware present
[11:49] <straterra_> I smell a Slackware hater..
[11:50] <ViN86> LOL
[11:50] <stellablack> |trey|: i installed playmidi
[11:50] <straterra> |trey|, you hate Slack?
[11:51] <|trey|> straterra, not at all... I just don't like dumb software  :/
[11:51] <straterra> So..you consider vanilla kernels and stability "dumb software"
[11:51] <straterra> slapt-get is a POS
[11:51] <afonit> earlier I said the volume control on ppc version of linux did not work, for the ibook,  I stand corrected, it is working, I just had to hit it a binch of times, so it is apperently a lot of volume steps
[11:52] <arose> is it possible to set up apt, so that it only installs things from hoary when I tell it to?
[11:52] <RuffianSoldier> vIn86, could you help me with my DVD problem?
[11:52] <|trey|> straterra, no, I consider lack of configuration tools, and basically everything that makes life easier... dumb software...
[11:52] <straterra> padlefot, try it if you want your Slack machine to die
[11:52] <Doom3> to bad nobody could help a noob in ttouble.......
[11:52] <ermo> arose, short answer: yes.
[11:52] <padlefot> straterra: say whatta?
[11:52] <moquist> Doom3: I don't remember ... oh.  bye.
[11:52] <straterra> |trey|, lack of configuration tools?
[11:52] <ViN86> RuffianSoldier: how are you installing the libs?
[11:52] <|trey|> straterra, I am lazy... dumb software = software that doesn't let me be lazy.
[11:52] <straterra> |trey|, then you use a "dumb" RPM distro?
[11:52] <RuffianSoldier> ViN86 - I already have them
[11:52] <arose> ermo...
[11:52] <ermo> arose, but I'm afraid it takes a fair bit of apt.conf rtfm'ing
[11:53] <afonit> doom3: over my head
[11:53] <|trey|> straterra, no... I have used Debian for close to 4 years.
[11:53] <padlefot> straterra, it cant be that bad..
[11:53] <ViN86> RuffianSoldier: compile the source code
[11:53] <afonit> out of my expertise
[11:53] <ermo> arose, and a strong stomache
[11:53] <straterra> padlefot, yes it can
[11:53] <RuffianSoldier> ViN86, I got Xine to work
[11:53] <straterra> |trey|, and...?
[11:53] <ViN86> cooooool
[11:53] <arose> ermo, which manual?
[11:53] <ViN86> RuffianSoldier: you install the libs via source?
[11:53] <straterra> Slackware is built on stability. If you are afraid of readin documentation, then go back to Windows.
[11:53] <ViN86> thats what i would do
[11:53] <ViN86> dont mess around with pre config'g packages :/
[11:53] <arose> RTMF is only usefull if you know the manual...
[11:53] <RuffianSoldier> ViN86, huh?
[11:53] <|trey|> straterra, "then you use a "dumb" RPM distro?"  ... Just answering your question  :/
[11:54] <ViN86> RuffianSoldier: the libdvdcss and libdvdplay, how did youinstall them?
[11:54] <originalbrownste> arose, i think you need to look into apt-pinning
[11:54] <RuffianSoldier> hold one
[11:54] <|trey|> arose, man -k  :/
[11:54] <padlefot> straterra, how come?
[11:54] <Nivlem> Know anything about kernel 2.6.8.1-3 not supporting read/write for HFS+ journaled filesystem?
[11:54] <ermo> arose, from the way you just asked, I feel I need to ask you: Are you _sure_ you want to do what you just said?
[11:54] <straterra> padlefot, because its not official and it doesn't do package upgrading the correct way
[11:54] <arose> ermo, yes
[11:54] <straterra> |trey|, Slackware is one of the oldest and truest distros out there.
[11:54] <ermo> arose, familiar with 'man' pages?
[11:55] <straterra> It's still alive becuase of its simplicity and stability.
[11:55] <padlefot> straterra, so swaret is a better solution?
[11:55] <arose> yes, but I can seldom find the right ones, info is more to my taste
[11:55] <stellablack> ubuntu-italy exist?
[11:55] <|trey|> straterra, If I wanted to do everything myself, I would just use LFS... slackware offers nothing.
[11:55] <straterra> I believe that it, more than any distro, teaches you how to use "GNU/Linux" Almsot EVERYTHING you learn in Slackware can be applied to other distros
[11:55] <straterra> |trey|, Slackware offers stability and simplicity.
[11:56] <ViN86> |trey|: just to let you know, ignorance is not an excuse :/
[11:56] <straterra> padlefot, no. Use the official way
[11:56] <ermo> arose, man apt_preferences
[11:56] <|trey|> straterra, Simplicity? are you fucking kidding?
[11:56] <ermo> arose, have a ball ;)
[11:56] <ViN86> nor a valid argument
[11:56] <straterra> |trey|, No. In Slackware I don't have to chase down dependencies and HOPE my RPM works
[11:56] <ViN86> |trey|: yes simplicity
[11:56] <|trey|> ViN86, I am not ignorant... I have used Slack...
[11:56] <catdog> Yay - distro wars :)
[11:56] <ViN86> lol
[11:56] <arose> I not only want hoary packages, I *need* some (I had to install gdm from there, had problems with the default)
[11:56] <|trey|> straterra, I don't deal with RPM's...
[11:57] <arose> ermo, thanks, I'll look into it
[11:57] <ermo> I don't see where that slackware discussion has anything to do with ubuntu per se? why not take it to ubuntu-offtopic?
[11:57] <straterra> |trey|, you must have used it for 3 seconds and when you discovered you had to run a script and answer questions to get X, you ran away..correct?
[11:57] <|trey|> straterra, and slack makes you deal with tgz's... same thing, only less managability...
[11:57] <straterra> |trey|, false.
[11:57] <Q-collective> gentoo!
[11:57] <straterra> tgz's are simple and because they do not check dependencies, it is quicker to get up and running
[11:57] <straterra> Dinner time, I will tear you a new one in a bit
[11:57] <Q-collective> gentoo!
[11:57] <|trey|> straterra, no, I give every distro at least a week... slack lasted about a month  :/
[11:57] <Q-collective> portage \o/
[11:58] <ViN86> |trey|: it take you a month to figure out how it worked ?
[11:58] <|trey|> straterra, not checking deps means you have to figure them out yourself... how is this easier?
[11:59] <|trey|> ViN86, no, it took me a month to confirm what I thought prior to installing... its not worth the drive space  :/
[11:59] <padlefot> haha
[11:59] <|trey|> ViN86, Like I said, I have done an LFS, I am not stupid...
[11:59] <padlefot> wonder who'll "win"
[11:59] <padlefot> suckers
[11:59] <Q-collective> lol
[11:59] <Q-collective> yeah