[12:02] Ah [12:02] 2.6.9 has better USB suspend/resume [12:02] Should probably still unload them, though [12:02] ah [12:02] will that block if any usb stuff is in use? [12:03] There's usually a problem on wakeup if usb was loaded and a device was removed between sleep and resume [12:03] Shouldn't [12:03] hm, right, so it's a good idea to detach stuff anyway [12:04] I'll try fabio's new 2.6.9 in the morn === Kamion ponders figuring out the linux-meta build system [12:05] call me bored [12:06] I figured that when I saw you looking for typoes in the wiki :) === farruinn [~nathan@syr-69-201-2-221.twcny.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] well, we were kinda collectively going through the quotes [12:07] Kamion: you're not considering just going to bed? :) [12:07] I was trying to capture the accent [12:07] bob2: mind you, you're subscribed to Quotes, a fine one you are to talk :) [12:07] Mithrandir: soon ... [12:07] poorly, of course [12:07] bob2: yeah, Scott told me and changed it back === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-2-220.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 watches video blow up again [12:08] I'm really not sure that I understand this [12:09] so, you don't want me to run this then? :) [12:09] Hrm. If I cat something into stdin and then read from it, read should stop on the EOF, right? [12:10] like cat foo | while read thing; do .. ? [12:10] No, into a C program [12:11] And it works now. [12:11] Hrmph. [12:11] depends whether the shell actually closes stdin or not [12:12] mjg59: cat foo | c-program-which-does-read? [12:12] Yeah [12:12] read in said c program will return zero when EOF is detected. === lamont_r sleeps [12:21] good idea === calc_ [~ccheney@ip70-185-2-220.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] ARGH. [12:27] There's a maximum length on environment variables? [12:28] mjg59, UNIX; UNIX, mjg59. I'm sure you'll be friends. [12:29] Keybuk: Right. [12:29] Keybuk: Can you grab http://www.codon.org.uk/ [12:29] Keybuk: Can you grab http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/vbestate [12:30] And then try VBESTATE=`tempfile`; sudo vbestate save >$VBESTATE; sudo video_post; sudo vbestate restore <$VBESTATE; rm $VBESTATE [12:30] want me to grab the former or the latter? [12:30] I have enough bandwidth [12:30] The latter [12:30] in a console [12:30] I don't have enough bandwidth :p [12:30] Yaeh, console [12:31] back after the system crash and reboot then [12:31] ? [12:31] Heh [12:31] ....where do I get "video_post" from ? [12:31] Oh, right. use vm86_video_post [12:34] mjg59: scott's singing that song again [12:34] Haha [12:34] Is he using a framebuffer? [12:34] no [12:34] Hrmph [12:35] do I need one? === plovs [~plovs@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] Nope [12:36] Works better without [12:36] FSVO works :-) [12:36] His is the only machine I've found where it breaks this badly === ogra [~ogra@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] he's closed his laptop and is sulking now ;-) === moquist_ [~moquist@pool-64-222-129-228.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] Scott's laptop is broken in a wide variety of amusing ways [12:38] including the STUPIDLY PLACED LID SWITCH [12:38] Anyway, we can do this from userspace without using X [12:38] So that's good enough [12:39] anyway === thom &| [12:39] gnight === BradB [~bradb@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-31-252.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [~spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] anyone know if there's a linux-restricted-modules to go w/ the 2.6.9 kernel floating around somewhere? [12:47] shaya: not done yet AFAIK [12:48] it's on daniels' to-do list [12:48] http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/l-r-m/ has preliminary bits it seems [12:48] dunno what state they're in though; they're from six days ago [12:50] hmm [12:51] splitting the packages up? === sivang [~sivang@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] shaya: don't think so? [12:55] doesn't look split up to me === BradB [~bradb@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] there is a bug with gnome-menus [01:10] is there a way to make esd start wrapped by aoss? [01:13] I've managed to get my X session entertainingly broken === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-224-172-150.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] Ok, that seems to approximately work [01:21] I've added a new, heavily crack-laden acpi-support package to www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptpos/ [01:21] Make that www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/ [01:26] mjg59: where's the changelog? [01:27] shaya: In the package [01:28] mjg59: but what about us who dont want to install it to see it [01:29] shaya: You can extract the control archive [01:29] for just look at the .tar.gz like I just did [01:29] s/for/or/ [01:29] Yes, since it's a Debian-native package === sivang [~sivang@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bob2 [rob@bob2.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fwiffo_ [~user@81.19.254.172] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdodson [~jdodson@63-230-172-132.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] knock, knock. === ultrafunk [~pd@eth779.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdodson [~jdodson@63-230-172-132.ptld.qwest.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zenwhen [~zenwhen@host-216-78-81-137.bgk.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenwhen [~zenwhen@host-216-78-81-137.bgk.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["http://zenhardwhere.com"] === GotD0t [~GotD0t@24.48.147.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GotD0t [~GotD0t@24.48.147.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rabidbt [~rabidbt@66.45.74.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [~bronson@node-40240852.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [~moyogo@HSE-Toronto-ppp189288.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] daniels: tarball time methinks.. please === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont_r [~lamont@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] lifeless: ok === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] marning === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elmo [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] thom: last night I just got back and basically collapsed, sorry [09:06] no worries [09:06] figured that was the case [09:06] i have new GROOVY graphs [09:08] url? [09:08] thom: are they also sexy? [09:09] www.planetarytramp.net/bootchart/bootchart-20041208-2219.png [09:09] mjg59: massive amounts of sleep love now I disabled ehci_hcd [09:09] it also reminds me that daniel had an oops when suspending while copying data to a usb2 disk [09:11] thom: .11/~daniels/ [09:11] fabbione: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2197 [09:11] thom: (Xorg and i810_drv.o) [09:11] bob2: that's a problem in the scsi layer [09:11] we already have the fix [09:13] daniels: nod [09:14] daniels: what i have is all ready to upload,pretty much :-) === pitti [~pitti@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] fabbione: in -3? [09:15] thom: nice! [09:16] pimpalicious [09:16] thom: what're the changes thus far? [09:16] daniels: well, depmod might need some cleaning ;-) [09:16] oooo, I see readahead [09:16] someone needs to unfuck gnome's hoary so I can dist-upgrade ;) [09:16] daniels: check out the vicious readahead in parallel with hotplug :-) [09:16] yeah, maybe the whole 'sh -x' thing might need to change ;) [09:16] thom: yeah, that's awesome :) [09:16] wtf is hwclock spinning so much for, tho? [09:17] that's how it works [09:17] thom: nice [09:17] Keybuk: oh? [09:17] hwclock spins on the cpu until the end of the second [09:18] thom: can we defer cupsys to 21? [09:18] gnome-cups-icon in user's session [09:18] thom: i reckon if we move it to 21 and you drop in the new X stuff, we can get it 40, or sub-409 [09:18] Keybuk: so that will absolutely refuse to turn up if cupsys isn't up? [09:18] i think so [09:18] per user cups love! ;-) [09:19] exactly, so if cups turns up a second later, you get no cups icon [09:19] mmm, that would be ill === jamesh [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silbs [~sbsm0084@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] thom: losing postfix and a2 will obviously be a win also [09:28] thom: also, is it worth reading Xorg ahead? [09:29] thom: -rw-r--r-- 1 daniels daniels 14M 2004-12-09 09:29 /home/daniels/public_html/xorg-trace [09:29] daniels: yeah, intend to [09:29] oh, sweet [09:29] can you put that somewhere? [09:29] i really need to trace gdmgreeter too, or will that be in the trace? === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] thom: ... /home/daniels/public_html ... [09:30] thom: gdmgreeter isn't in there, no, I'll trace it later [09:30] oh, duh [09:30] thanks [09:30] np [09:30] i'm doing one with -e trace=file now tho [09:31] thom: xorg-trace-file [09:31] i did trace=open which was not quite right i guess [09:31] daniels: that has gdmgreeter? sweet [09:31] argh, WHY ARE WE STATTING ALL THE FILES [09:31] not with gdmgreeter [09:31] oh, right [09:31] wow, it's psychopathic about /proc/bus/pci/devices [09:32] and stats all the drivers again ... [09:32] what a hog [09:32] it's statting all the files in a loop. [09:32] ahahaha [09:32] daniels@catsby:~/canonical/gdm/gdm-2.6.0.4% grep radeon_drv.o ~/public_html/xorg-trace-file | wc -l [09:32] 41 [09:32] that's forty-one accesses to a driver I'm not even loading. [09:33] yeah [09:36] Kamion: here? [09:36] wooerwewrrewrewrew~. [09:37] uh [09:37] fabbione: yo [09:37] sorry, my network got confused during suspend/resume [09:37] Kamion [09:37] do we officially support pegagos2? [09:37] ..and the suspend took 3 minutes BTW [09:38] why does X use regexs? [09:38] fabbione: not yet, no [09:38] Kamion: i am going to kill that driver temporary. removing the name from d-i is enough fo make d-i happy again? [09:38] fabbione: I should think we'll only do it if it's low-effort or contributed; I do plan to see if I can make it work in my spare time though [09:38] fabbione: put a "-" in front of it in the d-i file [09:38] that makes the driver optional [09:39] Kamion: ok thanks [09:39] i will give it another hour love before reverting [09:39] ok [09:39] but it doesn't compile yet. [09:41] four loops that all read drivers in! wa-hey! [09:43] daniels: that Xorg took way longer but it still has all the printing [09:43] daniels: taht could be the new autodetection thingy [09:44] added 8 seconds [09:44] thom: what do you use for generating those graphs? [09:44] http://www.klika.si/ziga/bootchart/ [09:44] run from the top of inittab [09:46] hm, have to install java, then [09:46] thom: er, yeah, the printing shouldn't have any performance impact [09:46] thom: really?? [09:47] Mithrandir: i've just been uploading the logs ;-) [09:49] heh, that should work as well, yes. [09:51] i'm building it now before the poor guy kills me [09:51] or trying to [09:51] gcj 3.3 appears not to have java.util.logging.Logger === remon [~remon@210-64-dsl.ipact.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] did i mention i hate java? [09:54] many times :) [09:54] cupsys_1.1.20final+rc1-10ubuntu5_source.changes ACCEPTED [09:54] wow, a mail from katie that's actually *intended* for me ... :o) [09:56] heh [10:00] jdub: thom considered using the windows firefox icon instead of the plain planet one? === BradB [~bradb@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] bob2: that's a trademark issue more than a platform issue :) [10:04] oh, suck [10:04] that's highly obnoxious === Keybuk giggles at lamont's attempt to speed postfix up [10:07] s/postfix/nullmailer/ -- yay, five whole seconds === lamont_r bitchslaps Keybuk [10:09] jdub: what does the HIG say about "escape" in a dialog? it should exit? [10:10] daniels@catsby:~/canonical/xorg/arch/pristine/xorg-6.8.1/build-tree/xc/programs/Xserver% grep radeon_drv xorg.trace | wc -l [10:10] 0 [10:14] bob2: escape tends to be bound to cancel, but I don't think the HIG is specific about it [10:14] it doesn't make a huge amount of sense in instant-apply dialogs [10:15] just talking to a windows user who's pointing out possibly confusing things [10:16] bob2: there's an argument about it going on. :) [10:16] I think the general theory is that if you dialog *has* Escape/Cancel functionality, you bind the key to the Cancel button ... e.g. the Open/Save dialogs [10:17] but Instant-Apply dialogs which only have Close use Enter, as you can't escape from them [10:19] ...though a argh-put-it-all-back-how-it-was escape functionality for i-a dialogs would be cute [10:19] but Jeff might beat me up for saying that [10:19] :p === sivang [~sivang@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] jdub, thom: we need a name for this hardware detection thingy [10:25] jdub, thom: what about hwfu? [10:25] hardwarepants! [10:25] NOOOOOOO [10:25] Kamion: i got the driver to compile [10:25] chainsaw [10:25] fabbione: bonus [10:26] on the basis of it ripping through your hardware. [10:26] Kamion: :-) [10:27] "Ubuntu Unified Python Hardware Detection and XMLification Extensible Framework" [10:27] (SCNR) === lamont_r waits for jdub/mdz to decide whether to put efibootmgr or elilo into main === GheRivero [~god@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elmo [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] pitti: UUPHDaXEF? [10:29] lamont_r: easy to pronounce, right? [10:30] maybe for you Germans... [10:30] at least for those playing in humpa-bands [10:30] that could almost have been one of my hostnames. [10:30] Python Hardware Autodetection Tool [10:31] Keybuk: PyHAT? [10:31] PHAT! [10:31] Keybuk: this sounds good [10:31] Pedantic HW detection tool? [10:31] shouldn't really have the language name in the name. === ogra [~ogra@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] Keybuk: btw, it does not really detect hw, it only calls several backends which do and unifies them into an XML output [10:32] so basically it converts /sys into XML? [10:32] Keybuk: not only /sys, but also /proc/foo, dmidecode, hal, whatever [10:33] Keybuk: I wrote a plugin architecture to make it expandable easily [10:33] see here, it uses the ouptunt of the named tools: https://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareDatabase [10:33] why XML? [10:33] xml is so icky [10:33] gives me scratches [10:33] Keybuk: this is supposed to unify d-i's, X's and base's HW detection [10:33] Mithrandir: easy to throw into dbs [10:33] Mithrandir: easy to process [10:34] Mithrandir: standard format, works with many tools [10:34] Mithrandir: why _not_ XML? What to take instead? [10:34] pitti: have you worked much with XML? [10:34] why base's? [10:34] Mithrandir: enough to like it :-) [10:34] but not enough to really, really dislike it, I understand. [10:34] the kernel does hardware detection in base [10:34] (: [10:34] Keybuk: it's not really kernel detection [10:35] Keybuk: it's supposed to become a large hardware database [10:35] Keybuk: devices which are supported/not supported by Ubuntu [10:35] right [10:35] Keybuk: it could say "this laptop works fine", "S3 does not work with this BIOS", etc. [10:35] Keybuk: also it could help X configuration, like "widescreen is not detected on this laptop" [10:35] *nods* [10:36] pitti: ZDHW [10:36] -> yesterday's bof [10:36] thom: zero day hard ware? [10:36] lamont_r, elmo: [10:36] sparcbuildd@vultus5:~$ wanna-build --list=needs-build [10:36] Total 0 package(s) [10:36] zero data [10:36] thom: what does "zero day" mean? [10:36] this is golden :-) === doko [~doko@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] fabbione: congrats [10:36] zerodayhardwarez [10:36] we only need the last X from danicrack to give back a few packages [10:36] pitti: in theory, the answers you want are there the day your hardware is purchasable [10:36] pitti: like zero day warez or sploits [10:37] fabbione : recalling you asked for my key, aren't we going to have a key signing party? [10:37] sivang: tomorrow evening [10:37] fabbione: is that phase2, and just main, or did it finally finish universe? [10:37] sivang: dont forget to print your keylist ! [10:38] ogra : I won't! Thanks for reminding me :-)) === lamont_r upgrades, prepares to need to track seb128 down.... [10:38] lamont_r: phase2 main [10:39] fabbione: nice [10:39] lamont_r: just shout his name very, very loudly [10:39] sivang: yes.. i understood you were going to leave before that === daniels ditches a lazy 3500 stat() calls from X startup. [10:39] sivang: but @ the keysign is ok with me [10:39] daniels: uh.. how many? [10:39] daniels: i need X sometime soon [10:40] lamont_r, just take a ticket and wait for your turn, a lot of people want to track me down first apparently :p === lamont_r curses at *&)%&*_(^( metacity again [10:40] Treenaks: three thousand five hundred [10:40] fabbione: will upload before lunch [10:41] daniels: thanks [10:41] also just ditched 150 open()s. [10:41] daniels: ho-ly cow on crack [10:41] 5702 /home/daniels/public_html/xorg-trace-file [10:41] 1904 xorg.trace-1040 [10:41] (before and after, looking at file accesses) [10:41] hmmmm === yuval [~yuval@62.90.243.95] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] daniels: and 150 closes? or were the opens all failures? [10:47] lamont_r: 150 open/close cycles [10:47] NOT ANY MORE [10:47] wooohoo === root_ [~root@220-244-212-78-vic.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] fabbione: aren't there any 686 linux-restricted-kernel for 2.69? [10:53] root_: daniels is working on l-r-m [10:54] if they are not there, they are not there yet [10:54] patience... it's hoary [10:54] wow, 2.69 ? thats nice :) [10:55] yes [10:55] I love to wait [10:55] thx for ur info [10:57] Keybuk: i have no opinion on the dialogue escape stuff [10:58] I think the current mix is about right ... I don't think I've ever hit Escape and have nothing happen, yet I'm sure I do hit Escape from time to time [10:58] so it must work where I expect it to [11:00] fabbione : I'll be here tommorow eveing , I guess I missunderstood. [11:01] lamont: ooh, what were the postfix startup fixes? [11:04] :0,$s/^/#/ [11:05] ogra : how do I install the naked lady artwork? :) === sivang didn't know it even existed till seeing it on ogra's laptop [11:06] sivang: install ubuntu-calendar [11:06] and then change to "ubuntu monthly calendar" background [11:07] thom: \o/ udev 04[78] includes the udevd-as-hotplug patches === Nafallo [nafallo@h246n3c1o1027.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] Mithrandir : thaks alot! [11:08] 048 being a brown-paper-bag "oops, that didn't build" of 047 [11:08] - wait_for_sysfs is now gone. [11:08] Oh, happy day... === Keybuk will play with that this afternoon, then [11:09] Keybuk: rock! [11:09] wooooo [11:12] GAR [11:12] fabbione: !!!!!! [11:12] 11:11 /tmp% sudo invoke-rc.d dbus-1 restart [11:12] * Restarting system message bus... [11:12] * Stopping Hardware abstraction layer: [ ok ] [11:12] * Starting Hardware abstraction layer: [11:13] 11:12:05.020 [W] hald.c:302: Your kernel does not support capabilities; some features will not be available. [11:13] fun [11:13] ii linux-image-2.6.9-1-686 2.6.9-3 [11:13] thom: you know how to beat up :-) [11:13] hm, I wonder if waldi was mistaken when I was talking to him about multi-component d-i Packages files [11:13] I don't see where the problem would be ... === elmo quietly adds a "hard loop doing nothing for 29 seconds" init.d script to ed [11:14] yet more proof that ed is crap [11:14] thom: doh! [11:14] thom: works fine on linux-image-2.6.9-1-powerpc === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir twaps the gw [11:15] ah so it's not just me [11:15] thom: let me check here === Keybuk is amused that Mithrandir it telling people on a remote-server that he's tapping the gateway for not working [11:15] thom: no errors here [11:15] and then realises, that as he can see Mithrandir doing that, the problem is more subtle than the line just dropping [11:16] dns crap [11:16] no, isn't dns [11:16] no? [11:16] no [11:16] what is it then? [11:16] oh, but I can't test because there's no l-r-m 2.6.9 yet, gah [11:16] new connections in general aren't happening [11:16] seems to be drop SYN on the floor [11:16] routing new connections go boom [11:16] Kamion: ask daniles :-) [11:17] Kamion: bleh [11:17] even connections to the proxy? [11:17] isn't just SYN [11:17] ICMP isn't happening either [11:17] ISP breakage [11:17] ARP-fuckage? [11:17] thom: NAT table overflow? [11:17] it did this yesterday too [11:17] back now, anyway [11:17] it'll resolve itself in a bit probably === lamont_r [~lamont@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:18] lamont_r, #4495 ? === lamont_r goes to look [11:18] lamont_r, on which arch ? [11:18] "the ISP died for our sins" [11:18] lamont_r, according to the build log that's ok (out of ia64) === daniels shakes his fist at joke stealers. === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] seb128: yeah - ia64.. but the error sure looked generic... === lamont_r runs a build on his machine [11:22] jdub: postfix goes kinda paranoid at startup... I commented out the checks. :-) [11:22] seb128: it's because xorg hasn't built on ia64 yet. [11:23] lamont_r, so, I'm supposed to do something with the build-dep ? or we just wait ? [11:23] lamont_r: hrm. would wietse kill you? [11:23] jdub: it's ubuntu-only. :-( [11:23] seb128: we should beat on doko [11:23] ok :) === lamont_r will deal with the bug. [11:24] thanks [11:24] lamont_r: is it sane on servers? [11:24] jdub: probably more so than on desktops. [11:25] oh? [11:25] servers tend to shutdown nicely. [11:26] hrrrmmmmm === Nafallo [nafallo@h246n3c1o1027.bredband.skanova.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:26] but when they haven't, you want them to start up paranoid :) [11:26] but, yeah. it should really schedule a postfix check run for some point in the future... [11:27] hrm... cron.daily here we come.. :-) [11:28] jdub: it's the part that runs through the entirety of /var/spool/postfix and does sanity checks on it. [11:28] yeah [11:28] so yeah, it should really be scheduled to happen sometime.. [11:28] kamion/fabbione/mdz/anyonewhocares: anastacia wants to demote *2.6.8.1* to universe - ok? [11:28] woot! [11:28] lamont_r: you can do that at any time, right? [11:29] jdub: exactly [11:29] elmo: might be nice to wait for 2.6.9 l-r-m [11:29] otherwise *shrug* as far as I'm concerned [11:29] lamont_r: I'll do the merge today. found the bug, testing a fix [11:29] I suppose it's possible that email that was in the system _might_ wind up being magically deferred until it is run. [11:30] lamont_r: maybe start postfix and add another init at the end for the check? [11:30] jdub: I like that... [11:30]