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ermo	padlefot, certainly not the rest of #ubuntu :S	12:00
Q-collective	\|trey\|: now you did an LFS? wow, who didn't do an LFS these days :\	12:00
Q-collective	lol	12:00
f0rd	gah using LFS gonna make the 31337est distro ever	12:00
f0rd	it screws up the makefiles on purpose	12:00
f0rd	and puts binaries in random locations	12:00
padlefot	hehe	12:00
Q-collective	yes ofcourse	12:00
f0rd	and than you can use it and say you're elite	12:00
ViN86	\|trey\| i never said you were stupid	12:00
f0rd	all the debian users would go for it	12:00
Q-collective	it brakes to make things educational	12:00
Q-collective	:)	12:00
glauber_sp	hi! did anyone already have problem to insert quotes (simple and double) into java programs? I cannot insert " caracter, but only in java apps. I use gentoo, but I was told it happens to other distros. Can anyone help?	12:00
f0rd	my qotd from earyler	12:01
\|trey\|	f0rd, it puts everything where you tell it... slack is LFS but using what someone else configured :/	12:01
ViN86	Q-collective; YEA! WELL I MADE MY OWN DISTRO CALLED VINWARE!	12:01
ViN86	HAH!	12:01
ViN86	;)	12:01
Q-collective	lol	12:01
Q-collective	:P	12:01
Q-collective	Gentoo! :p	12:01
ViN86	hahaha	12:01
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crevette	'night	12:02
stellablack	ubuntu-italy exist?	12:02
f0rd	\|trey\| it was mainly a dig at debian users	12:02
Q-collective	glauber_sp: distro has nothing to do with java programming	12:02
Q-collective	lol	12:02
padlefot	how bout we mock Microsoft rather than fighting about who has the 31337est linux distro?..	12:02
padlefot	fu bill elns	12:02
padlefot	good night	12:02
f0rd	i use an lfs based distro myself and it apwns gentoo	12:02
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f0rd	pawns*	12:02
ViN86	padlefot: hahahaha good point	12:02
\|trey\|	f0rd, yopper? ahhaha	12:02
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Q-collective	night padlefot	12:03
ViN86	lol	12:03
padlefot	see you folx =)	12:03
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f0rd	uname[Linux h3knix 2.6.7-h3knix #11 Mon Nov 15 23:39:24 MST 2004 i686 AuthenticAMD unknown GNU/Linux]	12:03
padlefot	AW	12:03
Q-collective	ViN86: already?	12:03
Q-collective	:P	12:03
ViN86	yea, its the old z100 model	12:03
Q-collective	ah	12:03
ViN86	only takes so much bullshit ;P	12:03
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Q-collective	;)	12:03
Q-collective	ey padlefot, long time man!	12:04
padlefot	hehe	12:04
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padlefot	just found out i was too lame to read BitchX.doc	12:04
\|trey\|	f0rd, other then that you're not using a pre-compiled kernel... that means nothing :/	12:04
\|trey\|	padlefot, bitchx is lame... IRSSI 8)	12:04
padlefot	hehe	12:04
padlefot	i can see what ur writing, cant i?	12:04
f0rd	\|trey\| custom init	12:04
Q-collective	\|trey\|: no saying you build your own LFS, that means something...	12:04
padlefot	:P	12:04
ViN86	and to think all this would have never started if my bro hadnt given me an ubuntu cd	12:05
ViN86	destiny? or chance? creepy twilight zone music	12:05
Q-collective	<padlefot> i can see what ur writing, cant i? <-- yeah, it's a great invention, we like to call ir irc :)	12:05
arose	one line in apt.conf did it, thanks for the help	12:05
Q-collective	it*	12:05
padlefot	wow! its 2004 man	12:05
Q-collective	yeah	12:05
Q-collective	:P	12:05
padlefot	;)	12:05
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\|trey\|	Q-collective, I was saying that if you want the "Simplicity" of Slackware... you should just role yourself an LFS... :/	12:06
f0rd	ViN86 you were given one to, my school admin like forced 5 in my bag	12:06
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ViN86	f0rd: LOL	12:06
f0rd	"go give some to your friends"	12:06
f0rd	'nah id rather not"	12:06
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\|trey\|	f0rd, 'one too'...	12:06
arthur	when i go to full screen xine when playing dvd, it aborts with segfault	12:06
padlefot	We're having a LAN-Party in february, and are planning to give ubuntu CDs to about 600 persons..	12:06
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padlefot	hope that'll boost the usage	12:07
ViN86	:o	12:07
\|trey\|	ViN86, not at all... just find certain common mistakes annoying :/	12:07
arthur	dvd playback isn't good at all... tyhe images looks crap...	12:07
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ViN86	well, ppl make simple mistakes all the time	12:08
ViN86	padlefot: wheres the lan party? which games?	12:08
padlefot	Trondheim, Norway..	12:08
ViN86	norway!	12:08
padlefot	donno, im Tech Help	12:08
padlefot	http://www.aulan.net :P	12:08
ViN86	you want to uuhhh, get me a uhhh, plane ticket?	12:09
ViN86	please?	12:09
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ViN86	;P nah, dont have the time	12:09
padlefot	hehe	12:09
arthur	what's the best dvd player available in ubuntu? with dvd menu suppot if possible	12:09
padlefot	xine	12:10
RuffianSoldier	hey ViN86 - I have the libs	12:10
ViN86	cool	12:10
RuffianSoldier	now what?	12:10
ViN86	RuffianSoldier: the source codes?	12:10
padlefot	arthur: xine	12:10
RuffianSoldier	I believe so	12:10
\|trey\|	padlefot, try Ogle... "DVD player with support for DVD menus"... sounds like what you want, no? :P	12:10
\|trey\|	padlefot, meet apt-cache search.	12:11
padlefot	hehe..	12:11
arthur	padlefot, with xine i get segfault when switch to full screen	12:11
padlefot	kjss m	12:11
RuffianSoldier	ViN86?	12:11
arthur	padlefot, and the video isnt' good at all..	12:11
ViN86	RuffianSoldier: they tar.gz files?	12:11
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padlefot	then listen to \|trey\|	12:11
padlefot	hes godlike, or something..	12:11
ViN86	ROFL	12:11
RuffianSoldier	ViN86, I downloaded no tar.gz files	12:11
bob2	what are you guys trying to do?	12:11
\|trey\|	padlefot, 8)	12:11
padlefot	:P	12:11
RuffianSoldier	ViN86 - I apt got them	12:11
ViN86	RuffianSoldier: k, are they installed?	12:12
\|trey\|	bob2, DVD playback with menu support and stuff...	12:12
billytwowilly	anyone upgrade hoary recently? Did the upgrade to the 2.6.9.1 kernel break anything?	12:12
padlefot	i really have to go to bed now guys!	12:12
bob2	so get xine nd libdvdcss	12:12
padlefot	see you'all around!	12:12
padlefot	AW	12:12
billytwowilly	also, what are the linux-restricted-modules-x86? It's been held back	12:12
\|trey\|	bob2, they were told that... apparently totem crashes on full screen :/	12:12
bob2	ignore totem	12:12
bob2	billytwowilly: binary-only modules	12:13
arthur	bob2, gxine crashs too	12:13
billytwowilly	bob2, like, for example, the dribers for my ipw2200 wireless card?	12:13
bob2	billytwowilly: yes	12:13
\|trey\|	billytwowilly, its because linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-$ARCH hasn't been uploaded yet...	12:14
straterra	Ok, I'm back	12:14
billytwowilly	ok. I'll wait to upgrade then.	12:14
billytwowilly	Wait for tommorow I suppose.	12:14
bob2	hm, no	12:15
arthur	\|trey\|, with ogle i get a black screen	12:15
bob2	centrino drivers are in the kernel package itself	12:15
billytwowilly	heh. I said dribers... didn't notice.	12:15
\|trey\|	arthur, ogle-gui? never seen that :/	12:16
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billytwowilly	ok, well do I even need it then? I don't have mad wifi, I don't have nvidia, I have glrx, but it doesn't work	12:16
arthur	\|trey\|, yeah.. just sound from dvd	12:16
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arthur	\|trey\|, vlc works!!	12:20
Q-collective	hehe	12:21
Q-collective	arthur: well, as soon as you have the /dev/dvd symlink (and vlc appears to make such a link when you install it), every mediaplayer will work	12:22
Q-collective	lol	12:22
Q-collective	:)	12:22
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arthur	Q-collective, nope, i configured xine to /dev/hdc (my dvd) and xine crashs when go to full screen... with ogle i just get sound	12:23
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arthur	Q-collective, AFAIK these problems nothing seem to be with broken link... ;)	12:23
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Q-collective	arthur: lol	12:24
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Q-collective	arthur: well, afaik, xine and vlc use the same libs in the dvd area	12:24
tm17h	Upgrade to hoary and my menus got rearranged -- anyone know if there is an intentional shift away from Ubuntu's awesome Application/Computer menu back to the GNOME default?	12:25
\|QuaD-_	tm17h: my menus in hoary don't work :O	12:25
arthur	Q-collective, i think this is true, cause dvd playback seems to be identical in twos, but i don't like to see dvd without full screen	12:25
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catdog	tm17h: ^topic^	12:26
tm17h	\|QuaD-_: Bummer.	12:26
catdog	:)	12:26
\|QuaD-_	tm17h: if you updated recently, yours probably wont	12:26
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tm17h	catdog: is this a faq then or did I miss what you meant by topic?	12:27
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catdog	tm17h: Well, the channel topic has 'Yes the actions menu is getting fixed' at the end, which i believe is referring to the brokenness of hoary :)	12:28
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tm17h	catdog: Jeez -- even with the hint I couldn't rtft :)	12:28
\|QuaD-_	catdog: what stinks is that because of the conference, i doubt that any work is being done currently :(	12:28
sittisal	hi!	12:28
sittisal	is there a channel dedicated to ubuntu 64?	12:28
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catdog	\|QuaD-_: Well, hoary is accurately labelled as unstable...	12:29
\|QuaD-_	catdog: i know :)	12:29
\|QuaD-_	i am not complaining	12:29
\|QuaD-_	i understand	12:29
catdog	:)	12:29
\|QuaD-_	i am just saying its horrible timing	12:29
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catdog	Well, yeah. I wouldn't know though. I'm too scaredy-cat to run hoary ;)	12:31
catdog	\|QuaD-^	12:31
\|QuaD-_	catdog: i ran debian unstable for years, i don't htink it EVER broke on me	12:32
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\|QuaD-_	i think i am learning my lesson with ubuntu	12:32
arthur	dvd playback with vlc, xine, don't look good... i get something like "horizontal lines" in output... maybe my video-card?	12:32
Q-collective	arthur: could be	12:33
arthur	i have an Nvidia Geforce4, with nvidia driver. but when i include Load "glx" in my XF86Config X won't work, could be that? (i'm running withou glx loaded)	12:33
Q-collective	arthur: what card do you have?	12:33
Q-collective	ah	12:33
Q-collective	huh?	12:33
Q-collective	you have the nvidia drivcers installed?	12:34
Q-collective	-c	12:34
arthur	Q-collective, yeah	12:34
Q-collective	hmm	12:34
Q-collective	weird	12:34
arthur	Q-collective, "working" with nvidia driver X work's (i get nvia screen when running X, etc)... but when i include Load "glx" in modules section, it won't work	12:35
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catdog	\|Quad-_: Well I guess debian unstable is inaccurately labelled ;)	12:35
Q-collective	arthur: then don't use glx	12:36
Q-collective	:+	12:36
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\|QuaD-_	catdog: i think ti is	12:36
arthur	Q-collective, yeah, i'm not using that, but could be this the "problem" with dvd's?	12:36
sgood1971	Anyone know how to disable touchpad tapping? I tried changing /etc/default/tpconfig options to "--tapmode=0" and even set reset to "True" but it's not doing anything.	12:36
Q-collective	arthur: don't think so	12:37
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arthur	Q-collective, ok, that's not a problkema at all.. since i have and "real dvd-player" at room... :D	12:39
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Q-collective	arthur: lol	12:40
Q-collective	:P	12:40
RuffianSoldier	how can I make a desktop shortcut for a program on a normal user - but make it open as root?	12:41
RuffianSoldier	specifically xine	12:41
Q-collective	what DE?	12:41
Q-collective	oh	12:41
Q-collective	hmm	12:41
arthur	RuffianSoldier, try gksudo program	12:41
RuffianSoldier	Gnome	12:41
Q-collective	why would you want to open xine as root?	12:41
RuffianSoldier	so it will work lol	12:41
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Q-collective	RuffianSoldier??	12:41
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RuffianSoldier	gksudo xine	12:42
RuffianSoldier	like taht?'\	12:42
arthur	RuffianSoldier, yeah	12:42
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arthur	but, again, why u want this?	12:42
Q-collective	RuffianSoldier: it won't work as user?	12:42
RuffianSoldier	Its set up not to	12:42
RuffianSoldier	dont worry about it	12:42
Q-collective	I do worry about it	12:43
RuffianSoldier	LOL!	12:43
RuffianSoldier	gtg	12:43
Q-collective	running user apps as root is not good	12:43
RuffianSoldier	I dont care	12:43
RuffianSoldier	i do what I wana	12:43
Q-collective	...	12:43
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Q-collective	ok, here's a hint	12:43
Q-collective	get back to windows	12:43
RuffianSoldier	NO!	12:44
RuffianSoldier	I STOPPED WITH WINDOWS	12:44
arthur	RuffianSoldier, running normal program as super user is too windows-ish	12:44
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sgood1971	Does anyone know how to turn off touchpad tapping???	12:45
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Q-collective	sgood1971: first of all: what is touchpad tapping?	12:45
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Kosai	sgood1971: You have a synaptics touchpad? See <http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/>.	12:46
JStrike	RuffianSoldier : And typing in capitals is not considered good form	12:46
sgood1971	Q-collective: on my laptop it is like tap to click on the touchpad	12:46
defunkt	can someone help me figure out how to install nvidia drivers on ubuntu, please?	12:46
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sgood1971	Kosai: Thanks, I will look now.	12:46
defunkt	or at least provide a direct link to a site that explains it	12:47
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arthur	defunkt, there's an "topic" in wiki explaining that	12:47
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Kosai	defunkt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto	12:47
defunkt	oh, rad. thank you	12:48
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Q-collective	or just read the manual @ nvidia.com	12:48
Q-collective	;)	12:48
defunkt	heh	12:49
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defunkt	one other thing, i want to be able to get 1280x1024 resolution	12:50
defunkt	max i get right now is 1024x768	12:50
defunkt	i remember having to do something to enable 1280 but i can't remember waht it was	12:50
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usual	hi calc	12:51
usual	hi Kosai	12:51
usual	defunkt, refresh rates?	12:51
usual	horiz and vert rates	12:51
defunkt	no, it wasn't that	12:52
mirak	PAN	12:52
defunkt	i had to manually change it but i can't remember how	12:52
mirak	who use the news reader PAN ?	12:52
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mirak	this crap is hogging whnen sending a message	12:52
mirak	it looks nice despite this	12:52
usual	defunkt, those owuld have to be manually changed if it wasn't autodetected, mine isn't	12:52
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usual	http://news.com.com/Photo+AMDs+249+computer/2009-1026_3-5423164.html?tag=nl	12:53
defunkt	ok	12:53
ogra	defunkt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?	12:53
defunkt	ogra: thx i'll give that a shot	12:54
defunkt	sounds familiar	12:54
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ogra	defunkt: if its not enough, try adding -plow after dpkg-reconfigure to this line	12:54
defunkt	ogra, ty! you were right!	12:55
ogra	:)	12:56
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Q-collective	hey there cd, burner is here aswell	12:58
Q-collective	:)	12:58
cd	now really? (:	12:59
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Q-collective	ok, bad joke :P	12:59
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burner	heh	01:00
burner	yep, sure was ;)	01:00
Q-collective	:)	01:00
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skaffen	when updating my package lists the connections get reset all the time so i have to repeat the procedure about 10 times in order to get all the package lists. Is this a known issue or is there something wrong at my end?	01:06
Stuttergart	I've not seen this behavior.	01:06
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Stuttergart	Perhaps there is a problem with your network?	01:06
skaffen	hmm, might be due to the university firewall	01:06
Stuttergart	you know how to use a sniffer?	01:07
skaffen	never used one	01:07
Rene_S	Yeah I hook him up to a leash and walk him	01:07
Rene_S	ehehehhehe	01:07
Rene_S	I crack myself up	01:07
skaffen	har har	01:07
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mirak	there is a bug with gnome-menus	01:09
TermDark	hi all.. i'm having a problem with apt - my school's proxy blocks the Packages.gz file from universe, but can't scan .bz2 files, is there any to make it use the .bz2 file for apt?	01:09
Stuttergart	can you hit the proxy admin with a cluebat?	01:10
mirak	what the force option n dpkg ?	01:10
mirak	in	01:10
TermDark	not possible.. done from the county, nothing to do with anyone remotely local	01:10
TermDark	i'm afraid.. and there's not even a whitelisting request service	01:10
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wombat_	how do i install the plugins on firefox	01:16
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geppy	wombat_: Click on them; they should install themselves, pretty much.	01:17
geppy	wombat_: Which plugins, in particular?	01:17
ficusplanet	Does anyone know how to play dvf files (from a voice recorder) in Linux?	01:17
wombat_	Yeah thats how it worked on the other comp but not this one	01:17
wombat_	Im trying to put flash on it	01:17
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\|Arioch\|	Could someone give me a hand setting my NTFS drive so that the default user can access it. The only way I can get to it now is through root.	01:19
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Deft	does anyone know how to make Evo integrate IMAP folders properly like Thunderbird does?	01:21
catdog	\|Arioch\| Have you put 'user' in the options bit of fstab?	01:21
Stuttergart	Deft: what exactly does Tbird do that Evo does not?	01:22
\|Arioch\|	catdog, yes. I have the options... ro, user, noauto	01:22
Deft	Stuttergart, all my mail is in a folder called "Mail" on the server; in thunderbird the mail folders inside are shown top level, not under Mail/, which means it naturally uses the correct Trash folder etc	01:23
Stuttergart	oh	01:23
Stuttergart	y, heh, the INBOX thing	01:23
Stuttergart	that behavior seems to differ based on the client and IMAP server in use.	01:23
Deft	well, INBOX is .mailbox, so actually that's fine	01:24
catdog	\|Arioch\| Ah, i think you need to put in uid=xxx,gid=xxx. do less /etc/passwd to find out what the uid and gid are of your the user you want.	01:24
catdog	That'll make root mount it so that user/group has ownership of it. Or something like that.	01:24
thoreauputic	catdog: actually just typing ` id ` will give that ifo	01:25
Deft	also, can Evo use a real trash folder?	01:25
thoreauputic	*info	01:25
catdog	thoreauputic: of course :) I couldn't remember the command (too complex for me, you see)	01:25
thoreauputic	catdog: yeah, it's a real brain twister hehe :)	01:26
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WebMaven	Hey, I just discovered that the Ubuntu mailing lists are morrirred on GMANE. Cool!	01:27
WebMaven	mirrored.	01:27
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\|Arioch\|	Ok, I have the uid and gid. Do I put those under options?	01:28
\|Arioch\|	In fstab that is.	01:28
arthur	there's a way to install hoarty directly, withou installing warty, and then switching to hoarty?	01:28
catdog	\|Arioch\|, yup 'uid=xxxx,gid=xxxx' along with the rest.	01:28
\|QuaD-_	arthur: don't install hoary	01:29
\|QuaD-_	its currently broken	01:29
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AndyR	lo ppl	01:31
\|Arioch\|	Awesome... thanks catdog!	01:31
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catdog	\|Arioch\| np	01:32
AndyR	whats the right way to setup a dialup networking connection?	01:32
AndyR	ive only ever used kppp before	01:33
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arthur	\|QuaD-_, why it's broken now?	01:34
Nivlem	Using dd to back up something...does it default to creating the backup in the directory where the user currently resides?	01:34
thoreauputic	AndyR: you can set it up from command line using ' sudo pppconfig ' - then you can connect with 'pon ' and disconnect with ' poff '	01:35
\|QuaD-_	arthur: gnome menu problem	01:35
AndyR	thoreauputic, thank you	01:35
thoreauputic	AndyR: sudo pppconfig walks you through the config - it isn't hard	01:35
Deft	hoary has quite a lot of bad packages actually, gaim isn't good for one, Evo is unpredictable, gnome-system-tools is only partly usable	01:35
thoreauputic	AndyR: you're welcome	01:35
arthur	\|QuaD-_, hmm... ok, when it get fixed, there's a way to install the way i said before?	01:36
arthur	Deft, i think i don't wanna hoary now then.. ;)	01:36
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P47\|LL0	hi people	01:38
Deft	arthur, good call, it has some nice features, but I'd rather be using warty now if it wasn't so hard to go back	01:38
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arthur	Deft, i guess i'll give it a try...	01:40
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kent	AndyR, did you configure the modem?	01:56
kent	AndyR, becaus using Computer -> system configuration -> network is a better way i think. Its easy, and its a GUI.	01:57
AndyR	kent, i set it to ttyS0 but then it trys /dev/modem for some reason	01:58
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thoreauputic	/dev/modem should just be a symlink to /dev/ttyS0 or whatever	01:59
jon1012	hi :)	02:01
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AndyR	how do i check to see where the symlink is pointing to?	02:04
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thoreauputic	AndyR: ls -l /dev/modem	02:04
beb0s	hi people	02:04
speel	hi	02:05
jon1012	hi :)	02:05
speel	man dont you just hate it when you manualy have to add things to the gnome menu	02:06
thoreauputic	AndyR: if it points to the wrong place, you can remove the symlink ( rm /dev/modem ) , then set a new one like ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem	02:06
Deft	speel, that shouldn't happen in the future, once everyone does things to freedesktop way	02:06
speel	i sureh ope so :)	02:07
speel	sure hope so*	02:07
beb0s	yes, we've to wait ...	02:07
speel	lol	02:07
Q-collective	Deft: yeah, everyone will do it the freedesktop way @ Gnome 4.0 :P	02:09
speel	thats like .. years away	02:09
Q-collective	lol	02:09
crevette	hello	02:09
Deft	Q-collective, until then we just have to use only gnome apps, easy!	02:09
jon1012	lool	02:09
Q-collective	Deft: nah, konq just pwns nautilus :P	02:09
Deft	Q-collective, bah, can't stand konq, too much stuff	02:10
gen	konq blows	02:10
Q-collective	there really should be a gtk+ port of it	02:10
Deft	Q-collective, although the last one I used flickered horribly, which put me off even more	02:10
Q-collective	heh	02:11
thoreauputic	rox filer ruleZ !! ;)	02:11
Q-collective	never had much trouble with flickering tbh	02:11
Q-collective	rox is way too minimal for my feeling :P	02:11
Q-collective	enlightenment is yuck, as is emelfm2	02:11
Q-collective	lol	02:11
grumbel	question for those with a bit linux/debian experience, is it worth for a long time debian unstable user to switch to ubuntu or are there any special features missing in ubuntu that one would miss (incompatibilty to inofficial debs or whatever)?	02:12
thoreauputic	Q-collective: well, I mostly use locate, find, cat and mv ;)	02:12
Deft	grumbel, it depends on how well you have your system configured, I used sid for a long time, and never managed to get a desktop nearly as well integrated as stock ubuntu	02:13
Q-collective	thoreauputic: so true, but konq is a bit more clear in some cases :)	02:13
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beb0s	grumbel, i can't answer jet ... i'm just upgrading from sid to hoary	02:13
beb0s	:-)	02:13
thoreauputic	Q-collective: I had the flicker problem with konq too, but I'm quite happy with fluxbox and rox filer :)	02:14
Q-collective	:)	02:14
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decklin	grumbel: i've been with deb for ~5 years, just installed ubuntu on two laptops this week. nothing has bit me yet.	02:14
Nivlem	What does the -count=10 do using a dd command? info dd and man dd don't show what this is for?	02:15
decklin	Nivlem: you sure? "count=BLOCKS copy only BLOCKS input blocks"	02:16
Nivlem	decklin: I am trying to make sure what I am doing with this command...I have to convert my iPod from HFS+ journaled to vfat to let it work under Linux PPC...	02:17
Nivlem	That is what the web page says to do.	02:17
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grumbel	other question, how do I configure sound under ubuntu? there isn't any central tool like yast, right? neither could I find alsaconf	02:18
grumbel	ubuntu itself seems to have loaded the right modules, but I get /dev/dsp: no such device errors	02:19
Nivlem	However I do not want to follow blindly the instructions without making sure...do you know if I do wipe the partitioning and such if all should fail if I can restore the iPod by booting into OS X and running the ipod updater?	02:19
grumbel	and 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp1' doesn't provide a sound either	02:19
Q-collective	/dev/dsp perhaps?	02:19
Nivlem	grumbel: I just used the default volume control under the applications menu	02:19
crevette	grumbel: the sound is not muted	02:19
crevette	?	02:19
Q-collective	oh yeah	02:20
Q-collective	unmute it with gnome-alsa-manager	02:20
Q-collective	:)	02:20
Nivlem	That has to be installed with apt-get	02:20
crevette	Is somebody has an iPod here ?	02:20
Q-collective	Nivlem: then you install it	02:20
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grumbel	crevette: good hint, that fixed it, already unmuted and tweaked all the other 20 controlls that gnome-alsa-mixer provides, but forgot the master one :)	02:21
Nivlem	Q-collective: Follow the thread man...I am telling the person asking the question	02:21
Nivlem	crevette: I am setting up my iPod	02:21
grumbel	nother issue is that /dev/dsp is actually my tvcard, my soundcard is at /dev/dsp1, how can I swap them?	02:22
jon1012	tiens une crevette en eaux douces lol	02:22
crevette	Nivlem: does it is mounted automatically under /media/iPod ?	02:23
Nivlem	crevette: No with Warty on my mac it doesn't	02:23
Q-collective	Nivlem: then you tell this person to install it and check for it, what's the problem?	02:23
Nivlem	Although it is recognized...I have 3 firewire devices so the iPod is at /dev/sdb3	02:23
crevette	Nivlem: mine was mounted under /mdeia/iPod/ when the FS was hfsplus, since I formatted in vfat under win32 with the tool provided by apple, the iPod is mount under /mdedia/usbdisk ou /media/sda2	02:24
Nivlem	Q-collective: No problem...I was just letting you know that I WAS replying to them...	02:24
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Q-collective	k	02:25
Q-collective	:)	02:25
crevette	So I wanted to know why the mount point whanged with the FS and how the mount point was determined ?	02:25
Nivlem	crevette: Dunno why udev and or hotplug changed it...I know that HFS+ journaled isn't supported other than read write...	02:25
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Nivlem	crevette: I mean read only	02:25
crevette	Nivlem: hum no mine was mounted in RW	02:26
crevette	except a lock I had	02:26
Nivlem	crevette: interesting...my firewire drive says it is read write..till you try to copy something to it..had the same issue with the firewire drive...it is mis-leading	02:26
Nivlem	crevette: That pretty much renders it useless under linux...only thing I can find it to re-partition using dosfstools or whatever and then letting it go..thanks for the information though..since it will more than likely change my device as well	02:28
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Gmail	OMG	02:28
crevette	Nivlem: the Firewire bus support under Linux is crappy	02:28
Gmail	the following umount AGAIN /home, /boot	02:28
Gmail	thanks G-d it wasn't /	02:29
Gmail	my system wound of crashed again	02:29
Q-collective	?	02:29
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\|QuaD-_	Gmail: whats with your umounts?	02:30
\|QuaD-_	i hear about them daily	02:31
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\|Arioch\|	Could someone tell me how to add a launcher to the Gnome menu.	02:31
Gmail	\|QuaD-: i don't know	02:32
Gmail	howto stop it?	02:32
crevette	\|Arioch\|: warty or hoary	02:32
Gmail	i have no idea why everything umounts it self	02:32
\|Arioch\|	warty	02:32
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crevette	\|Arioch\|: ctrl + L, enter "application://"	02:32
\|Arioch\|	ctrl + L does nothing.	02:34
crevette	hum that shorcut was buggy in 2.8	02:34
\|Arioch\|	I added Beep Media Player and I wanted to put it in the Multimedia menu.	02:34
crevette	\|Arioch\|: make appears the location bar in nautilus and type application://	02:35
jon1012	anyone here using latex on ubuntu ?	02:35
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Q-collective	hmm	02:35
Q-collective	I really should use it	02:35
Q-collective	latex that is :)	02:35
Q-collective	just never had any problems with OOo and such	02:36
Q-collective	:P	02:36
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jon1012	lol	02:36
jon1012	I use it and i really love it :)	02:37
\|Arioch\|	crevette, I don't understand what you said.	02:37
Quest-Master	What is Latex?	02:37
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jon1012	A system to make documents	02:37
Q-collective	Quest-Master: a way of wordprocessing	02:38
jon1012	A really good systeme to make documents I should say :p	02:38
Q-collective	nice with formulas and such	02:38
jon1012	and with presentation etc...	02:38
\|Arioch\|	crevette, nevermind... I found it.	02:39
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crevette	\|Arioch\|: right click a folder in nautilus and select Browse	02:39
crevette	ok	02:39
jon1012	it makes perfect documents that will make everybody who will look at to say "wow what a good document" lol	02:39
\|Arioch\|	Thanks	02:39
grumbel	Quest-Master: a 'word-processor' for writing scientific books/papers, think of some kind of html, just completly different syntax	02:39
Q-collective	lol	02:39
jon1012	not only scientific/technic	02:39
Q-collective	something like that	02:39
jon1012	I use it for eveyrthing, also for letters lol :p	02:40
Q-collective	lol	02:40
jon1012	(I had some A at high-school thank to latex lol)	02:40
Q-collective	<jon1012> and with presentation etc... <-- yeah, powerpoint stole the latex idea :P	02:40
grumbel	jon1012: not really, most people I know will just they, 'bah, sucky default latex style again', since default latex style is really not that cute compared to more customized styles	02:40
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jon1012	lol, in france people don't know latex :\|	02:41
Q-collective	hehe	02:41
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YokoZar	Hey, please test out my wine packages (better/newer than ones included in universe): http://www.winehq.org/site/download	02:42
jon1012	do you know where i can find good latex templates and styles ?	02:42
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Q-collective	YokoZar: that is the default download page?	02:45
jdodson	ola	02:45
Q-collective	hi jdodson	02:45
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jdodson	i have a problem with ubuntu.	02:46
Q-collective	ideologically?	02:47
Q-collective	:)	02:47
Xenguy	heh	02:47
jdodson	no my problem is ubuntu is so great i dont ever use windows anymore.	02:47
Q-collective	cool	02:47
Rene_S	Hurray another convert	02:47
jdodson	HA!	02:47
Q-collective	now that's my type of problem	02:47
jdodson	it is great.	02:47
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jdodson	that was a joke, but i dont use windows anymore.	02:48
Rene_S	Now place your coffee on the Windows CD and become a true member of the brother/sisterhood of the enlightened	02:48
Q-collective	as a result, I'm still using it ;)	02:48
jdodson	i gave away my office cds already.	02:48
Q-collective	:)	02:48
Rene_S	I use them to practice my darts with	02:48
jdodson	been using gnu/linux for like 5 years or so.	02:48
jdodson	HA!	02:48
Q-collective	heh	02:48
Tsjoklat	Rene_S!	02:49
Rene_S	I stick the hole on the 20 and off I go	02:49
Tsjoklat	pm me!	02:49
jdodson	sweet.	02:49
Rene_S	sounds kinky	02:49
Q-collective	hehe	02:49
Q-collective	<Tsjoklat> pm me! <-- pm you? what an ego... pm him! ;)	02:49
jdodson	started out i just wanted to get "legit" so i dumped my pirated windows stuff, got openoffice, went downhill from there, or should i say uphill.	02:49
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_\|Imanewbie\|_	Night folks	02:49
Q-collective	night	02:49
jdodson	later.	02:49
Tsjoklat	Q-collective I am a girl.. I can demand whatever I want	02:50
Q-collective	you came online, just to tell us that?	02:50
Q-collective	how thoughtfull of you _\|Imanewbie\|_	02:50
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Q-collective	Tsjoklat: point taken	02:50
_\|Imanewbie\|_	Guys how can I open th port for bittorrent on ubuntu	02:51
crimsun	it's ok, boys can demand whatever they want, too	02:51
Tsjoklat	crimsun but they don't get bitch at for doing so.. that's the differance	02:51
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huwr	Nice.	02:52
Deft	_\|Imanewbie\|_, you shouldn't need to do anything	02:52
huwr	Is that like Jethro Tull? :P	02:52
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_\|Imanewbie\|_	Deft: I get low status cause people can't direct connect me	02:53
Q-collective	'low status'? I thought there wasn't such a thing in torrentland?	02:54
Deft	_\|Imanewbie\|_, ubuntu doesn't have any firewall by default, are you behind a router or something?	02:55
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crimsun	_\|Imanewbie\|_: you need to forward the port from your router	02:55
crimsun	_\|Imanewbie\|_: ubuntu does not use any iptables rules by default	02:55
_\|Imanewbie\|_	crimsun: can you help me out?	02:56
crimsun	_\|Imanewbie\|_: use your router's management web page to forward the port	02:56
crimsun	_\|Imanewbie\|_: your isp should provide a link to documentation on their support web site	02:56
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_\|Imanewbie\|_	crimsun: I'm trying to access it BUT it has some problems with non IE browsers	02:56
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_\|Imanewbie\|_	crimsun: I cant acess it =/	02:57
YokoZar	Q-collective: what do you mean default download page? It's the official wine one, if that's what you mean.	02:58
_\|Imanewbie\|_	I will try lynx	02:58
_\|Imanewbie\|_	I will try dillo first	02:58
billytwowilly	iptables is what I'd want to mess with to change routing around right?	02:58
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Tsjoklat	got your probs fixed billytwowilly?	02:59
billytwowilly	Tsjoklat, depends what probs you are referring to;)	02:59
YokoZar	Q-collective: The packages in Debian that creep into Ubuntu Universe aren't maintained or supported by the wine developers, and they're outdated. But because of Debian's social system (where they give complete control over packages to maintainers until they relinquish them), we can't really do anything about it except provide better packages. These may become the official ubuntu ones (if not the debian ones), if they test well.	02:59
Q-collective	YokoZar: yes, but you said and I quote "better/newer than ones included in universe" in there	02:59
Q-collective	ah	02:59
Q-collective	kk :)	03:00
Tsjoklat	billytwowilly your upgrade issues	03:00
YokoZar	For a bunch of free software fanatics the debian developers are remarkably conservative with package changes :)	03:00
_\|Imanewbie\|_	Dammmmmmm	03:00
billytwowilly	Tsjoklat, oh yah, I fixed that. now I'm trying to find decent documentation on how to mess with routing.	03:00
_\|Imanewbie\|_	I cant acess the crap	03:00
jdodson	yokozar: its that whole stability thing i guess:)	03:00
Q-collective	lol	03:01
YokoZar	jdodson: Problem is, the old wine packages were breaking things.	03:01
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__learner__	is there any way to listen to winamp radios under linux?	03:01
Q-collective	how old are the current debian packages?	03:01
__learner__	and to run radios from internet pages.	03:01
_\|Imanewbie\|_	Anyone here has a d-link 500g?	03:02
Q-collective	__learner__: xmms, beep, xine, mplayer, vlc, etc etc	03:02
jdodson	yokozar: ah. well they seem OK for me, or at least the ubuntu ones that is.	03:02
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YokoZar	Q-collective: 4 months, at least (wine is updated monthly). And, they're also worse packages in general (not every wine file is included in the right place, they're split up too much so that apps will fail because they can't find a program they expect since it's in another sub package, etc.)	03:03
jdodson	__learner_: ya, i used totem or realplayer, you can use xmms too.	03:03
Gmail	:(	03:03
__learner__	xine can play them?	03:03
Q-collective	sure	03:03
Gmail	guess what umounted	03:04
Q-collective	jdodson: realplayer can play them?	03:04
Q-collective	nice	03:04
Gmail	\|QuaD-: this will be easy for you	03:04
__learner__	I'll try xine.	03:04
Q-collective	<Gmail> the following umount AGAIN /home, /boot	03:04
__learner__	do you recommend XMMS over Xine?	03:04
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_\|Imanewbie\|_	crimsun: okay I'm there wich port should I open?	03:05
Q-collective	__learner__: xmms is a leightweighted, audio-only player, xine can play video aswell	03:05
Gmail	Q-collective: this time	03:05
Gmail	Q-collective: this time it was /	03:05
Q-collective	:)	03:05
Q-collective	Gmail: what are you doing anyway?	03:05
zenpod	xmms is very winamp-ish, also, if you use Nvidia drivers, be sure to install libmikmod2 if you use xmms	03:05
Q-collective	xmms is very winamp2-ish *	03:06
__learner__	Xine is always giving erros messages in my system. I'm thinking about choosing another player because of that. It also can't play fullscreen here. It closes when I try.	03:06
crimsun	_\|Imanewbie\|_: 6881/tcp incoming	03:06
Q-collective	__learner__: what kind of errors?	03:06
_\|Imanewbie\|_	Bit tornado uses a port range from 10k till 60k I dont want to open all up	03:06
crimsun	_\|Imanewbie\|_: then open up 10000/tcp incoming	03:07
_\|Imanewbie\|_	crimsun: are you running ubuntu? wich torrent client do you use?	03:07
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crimsun	_\|Imanewbie\|_: btdownloadcurses, the curses-based command line one	03:08
Q-collective	heh	03:09
Quest-Master	Anybody here have a Linksys router?	03:09
__learner__	I'll post them here, wait just a minute	03:09
zenpod	Quest-Master, at work, I have several.	03:09
_\|Imanewbie\|_	crimsun: I use the samething here	03:09
scoon	Quest-Master, I do	03:09
scoon	have a linksys router	03:10
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_\|Imanewbie\|_	crimsun: but here I check the gui in btdownaloadgui and I see a port range not a single port	03:10
Quest-Master	Do you know what to do to let torrents run perfectly fine?	03:10
Quest-Master	Azureus says I have a NAT problem	03:10
zenpod	Quest-Master, they ought to just work. Try bittornado.	03:11
__learner__	xine engine failed to start: no input plugin found	03:11
zenpod	__learner__, what are you trying to watch?	03:11
Quest-Master	:( Azureus > BitTornado	03:11
_\|Imanewbie\|_	Quest-Master: you prolly with the sameproblem as me	03:11
Quest-Master	I get normal Download Rates though	03:11
Quest-Master	Like, sometimes 300KBps	03:11
zenpod	Quest-Master, I couldn't say, I've never used Azureus.	03:11
__learner__	any radio that's in the menu	03:11
Quest-Master	Azureus is the thing.	03:11
__learner__	in the xine menu	03:11
Quest-Master	You need to try it.	03:11
_\|Imanewbie\|_	crimsun: what about my port range ? =p	03:12
moquist_	archive.ubuntu.com down? my apt-update can't connect.	03:12
scoon	Quest-Master, whatever port you have set up for azereus make certain that port gets forwarded to your box on the router.	03:12
zenpod	__learner__, online radio? eh, I use xmms for that, but make sure you've installed all the stuff from Multi/Universe for playing mp3.	03:12
scoon	Quest-Master, i use all static ip's here at home	03:12
crimsun	moquist_: alive here	03:12
zenpod	oh crap, right, I need to change my IP	03:13
zenpod	heh	03:13
zenpod	thanks for reminding me, scoon	03:13
moquist_	crimsun: hrm. k, thx. :(	03:13
scoon	zenpod, yea, np	03:13
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_\|Imanewbie\|_	crimsun: I cant find how to add it	03:15
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zenpod	anyone running BIND on ubuntu?	03:15
__learner__	when I try the winamp radios I get the same message	03:15
__learner__	What are those things, I didin't get anything from universe and multiverse	03:16
_\|Imanewbie\|_	any suggestions?	03:16
zenpod	__learner__, http://www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats	03:17
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nyu	hello	03:20
zenpod	Moo.	03:20
nyu	anyone in the meeting in mataro around?	03:20
nyu	i'm going there tomorrow and have a question	03:21
nyu	which kind of inet access there?	03:21
__learner__	tx a lot!	03:22
__learner__	I installed Gstramer Plugins	03:22
__learner__	Gstreamer	03:22
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zenpod	__learner__, np	03:24
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__learner__	same error.	03:25
zenpod	__learner__, install totem-xine	03:26
__learner__	I installed the plugins, But gXine does't seem to know how to work with the .pls file.	03:26
Q-collective	weird	03:26
__learner__	Should I install Totem? Is that better?	03:26
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zenpod	Q-collective, installing totem-xine installs a bunch of libs though, sounds like he may be missing some	03:27
Q-collective	zenpod: oh, probably	03:28
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__learner__	should I uninstall Gxine, since I'm installing Totem?	03:31
Tsjoklat	_learner_ no need to	03:31
stuNNed	what about gxine plugin?	03:31
socomm	__learner__: Only if you're tight on HDD space.	03:32
__learner__	I installed totem-gstreamer.	03:32
__learner__	no, it's Ok. But I think those are both GUI's to the same program aren't they?	03:32
__learner__	didin't worked...	03:36
stuNNed	anyone running ubuntu x64?	03:36
__learner__	I'm installing totem-xine	03:37
socomm	I prefer totem-xine, over the gstreamer version.	03:37
socomm	Anyone know a good mod to ogg/mp3 converter?	03:40
__learner__	it worked Thanks a lot!	03:40
__learner__	the gstreamer was not working, I installed totem-xine, and it is working great. Thnaks a lot	03:40
socomm	__learner__: Cool, have fun.	03:41
__learner__	Can I add playlist support to totem somehow?	03:41
__learner__	If Linux could run my games, than I would never open Windows anymore!	03:41
__learner__	that's the only reason for having linux in my desktop.	03:41
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__learner__	tx alot. this community is really cool. Aways helps me when I need.	03:42
__learner__	Hope to don't need so many help some day!	03:42
jdong	how's everyone here doin ?	03:42
socomm	__learner__: WineX	03:42
Quest-Master	Is their a Quicktime plugin for Firefox besides MPlayer?	03:42
socomm	Quest-Master: Negative.	03:43
Quest-Master	That really blows.	03:43
Quest-Master	They need a Xine or Totem plugin for it.	03:43
socomm	Quest-Master: Unless you wanna use openQt or something, which blows and sucks at the same time.	03:43
zenpod	Quest-Master, mplayer-nogui works just fine	03:43
zenpod	embeds nicely	03:43
zenpod	install w32codecs	03:43
zenpod	wheee	03:43
zenpod	mozilla-mplayer + mplayer-nogui, that is	03:44
socomm	I don't think it would be too hard for Apple to port QuickTime over to GNU/Linux/*BSD since MacOS-X is based on BSD.	03:45
socomm	They even have a x86 build for Microsofts Operating System.	03:46
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zenpod	socomm, 90% market share kinda convinced them	03:46
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zenpod	go forth and evangelise Linux.	03:47
Quest-Master	I can't touch MPlayer.	03:47
socomm	zenpod: An online petition might be in order. :^)	03:47
Quest-Master	It broke my apt-get for a few days.. now that's horrible :(	03:47
Rene_S	In the beginning there was DOS, and the world was Dark and Grey	03:47
socomm	zenpod: Hell, it worked to get the FreeBSD nVidia drivers.	03:47
Rene_S	then upon the land appeared the light, its name is Linux	03:48
zenpod	AMEN BROTHER	03:48
zenpod	;)	03:48
Rene_S	So let it be written, so Let it be Done	03:48
Tsjoklat	yawn	03:48
socomm	Linux can't do much, with out the GNU in front of it.	03:48
Tsjoklat	:P	03:48
Rene_S	Watched the 10 commandments once too often	03:48
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Tsjoklat	hewo thoreauputic	03:49
zenpod	socomm, personally, I prefer the BSD licence to the GPL, but shhh, don't tell ;)	03:49
socomm	zenpod: I'm talking bout the software not the .... license, but yes you're right BSD is alot more user/business friendly.	03:50
crimsun	(2-clause BSD)	03:50
geppy	zenpod: Blasphemy! =P	03:50
zenpod	geppy, that's my job! :D	03:50
geppy	hahahaha =)	03:51
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riley	i just recently configured my Ubuntu system for samba, and it was working for awhile, but now it seems to be going only one way... and it's not just samba... when I ping the Ubuntu system's host name from the other system, it says that the host name is unknown... Would anybody happen to know why this might be happening?	03:56
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kent	if i want a script to run on every boot, should i just copy it to /etc/init.d/?	03:57
zenpod	kent, well, I don't recommend copying it to autoexec.bat ;)	03:59
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jdodson	can someone help me with building a package from source.	04:00
zenpod	install build-essentials :D	04:00
Rene_S	Hey why are people talking about non-ubuntu related things, fill out a bug report	04:01
Rene_S	hehehehe	04:01
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kent	zenpod, but will that make it work? im not sure if it does, and want to make ddclient work if i reboot.	04:01
jdodson	did that already. i need to get the librsvg dev package and it says it cannot resolve the dependices.	04:01
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Quest-Master	How would I go around installing this? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=18669&vote=good&tan=49969198	04:13
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Rene_S	Quest-Master, first reinstall Ubuntu in Polish	04:14
Rene_S	hehe	04:14
jdodson	quest: i will install it then let you know.	04:15
Rene_S	jdodson, dont be installing Ubuntu in Polish	04:15
Rene_S	i was only kidding	04:15
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jdodson	quest: i wasnt able to.	04:17
geppy	I know that this isn't the proper venue for this questions, but... How would one go about learning GTK+?	04:18
jdodson	do a websearch for a gtk+ howto.	04:18
Rene_S	School, i find that school works	04:18
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Rene_S	I am sure there is a GTK+ channel someplace	04:19
Rene_S	that would be a good resource as well	04:19
Rene_S	You can check out your local Chapters/Indigo ours has tons of Linux related books	04:20
Rene_S	I usually go in there and read em and take notes	04:20
zenpod	I have no local chapters.	04:20
geppy	I know that I have one, but I don't have access to my car, at the moment.	04:21
Rene_S	Indigo ? Coles ?	04:21
jdodson	later.	04:21
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Rene_S	I like chapters just to read in	04:21
crimsun	geppy: gtk.org has good tutorials	04:21
crimsun	geppy: though if you're more looking to jump in, I recommend Glade	04:21
Rene_S	I look in used book stores too but live near the University of Waterloo, Comp Science heaven there	04:22
geppy	crimsun: Alright, thanks! =D	04:22
crimsun	geppy: and there are Gtk language bindings for nearly every popular language there	04:22
crimsun	geppy: same w/ language bindings and Glade	04:22
geppy	danke!	04:23
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Quest-Master	:o	04:29
Quest-Master	How can the theme not work?	04:30
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Rene_S	not sure	04:32
Rene_S	I am gonna check it now	04:32
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dead	anyone running fluxbox ?	04:33
Quest-Master	:(	04:35
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Quest-Master	None of the themes from Gnome-Look install for me.	04:35
umarmung	Quest-Master, first you should check that the themes really end up in ~/.themes or ~/.icons	04:36
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Rene_S	i untarred it	04:36
Rene_S	then went into desktop preferences -- themes	04:36
Rene_S	then did an install theme and pointed to where i downloaded it	04:37
Quest-Master	I did too	04:37
Rene_S	then restarted the theme module	04:37
Rene_S	i went through all 3 section	04:37
Rene_S	s	04:37
Rene_S	did a install theme on all of em	04:37
Quest-Master	:o worked.	04:37
Rene_S	using the same index.theme	04:37
Quest-Master	Hm	04:38
Quest-Master	Now to install the Icon Set	04:39
umarmung	untar it to ~/.icons	04:39
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Quest-Master	Woo, the new themes are cool	04:41
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Triple5\|Ubuntu	Hello	04:46
Triple5\|Ubuntu	how do I know if I'm using hoary, theres a command to type but I Forgot	04:46
JDahl	Is there a problem with X in Hoary? after last nights update I only the background screen after I start X - no gnome or terminals	04:46
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JDahl	startx is the same... essentially does the same as 'X' except I get a background. It looks like .xinitrc is not read or something	04:47
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Solon	Hey guys, got a slight problem, I'm using Hoary, and for some reason I cannot network with the two WinXP machines at all, I changed my workgroup to the same as theirs, they can see mine, but I can't see them, nor can I access shares, obviously. I do have Samba.	04:50
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carthik	hey dudes, can someone help with understanding why my eth0 (wireless) device is "not found" sometimes after I start up the laptop?	04:51
carthik	or better still, how I can make it find the device after I have logged in? any magic commands for the n00b	04:52
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junglebunny	hello. i am trying to dist-upgrade and it is telling me that gnome-panel has unmet dependencies	05:07
junglebunny	such as libdatacenter3 and libecal3	05:07
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junglebunny	i believe they are part of the evolution package	05:08
gpled	./mozilla-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory	05:08
gpled	looks like libgtk is in ubuntu. any ideas?	05:08
umarmung	gpled, gtk-1.x installed?	05:08
zenpod	libgtk2 may be	05:08
crimsun	use Synaptic to install libgtk1.2	05:09
crimsun	or sudo aptitude install libgtk1.2	05:09
junglebunny	or sudo apt-get	05:09
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gpled	libgtk2.0	05:09
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crimsun	note that the installer is looking for the old version, GTK 1.2, not GTK 2.x	05:10
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gpled	crimsun: thanks	05:16
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JDahl	quit	05:24
_scp	riddle me this, batman.... why does my machine all of the sudden lock my (empty) cdrom drives closed and hang about 2 minutes after I try to eject using the buttons on the front?	05:24
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RuffianSoldier	Im using Xine for DVDs - and of course the audio decodes a bit faster than the video - anyway I can delay the audio so its more syncronized?	05:27
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Gmail	when ever i gksudo a program it use some wirod theme for gtk+ its not the theme root is using and also not my theme	05:34
RuffianSoldier	lol	05:35
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prak	i got sound working on my laptop with ubuntu the first time i logged in. but since then... it doesn't work.	05:40
RuffianSoldier	Im using Xine for DVDs - and of course the audio decodes a bit faster than the video - anyway I can delay the audio so its more syncronized?	05:40
joshua__	something is seriously borked with my system... i have warty and hoary installed on two different partitions, when i installed warty after hoary it messed with grub and now i can't seem to configure grub properly to see my hoary installation	05:40
RuffianSoldier	strangeness times 10	05:41
prak	i have nothing in dmesg abt sound except this: intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 49641 usecs	05:41
prak	intel8x0: clocking to 48000	05:41
JDahl	I get some weird errors in .xsession-errors when I start X: Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1.. X never comes up completely. Anyone has an idea what that's about?	05:41
prak	could anyone suggest what may be missing	05:41
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JDahl	on Hoary that is	05:42
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nomasteryoda	RuffianSoldier, did you try the + or - keys	05:44
RuffianSoldier	someone jsut told me	05:44
RuffianSoldier	in #linuxhelp	05:44
RuffianSoldier	same thing	05:44
RuffianSoldier	lol	05:44
RuffianSoldier	thank	05:44
nomasteryoda	np	05:44
nomasteryoda	RuffianSoldier, did you also setup hdparm	05:44
nomasteryoda	that helps a great deal	05:44
RuffianSoldier	hdparm?	05:44
nomasteryoda	yea	05:45
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nomasteryoda	sets HD DMA on	05:45
nomasteryoda	and faster drive access modes	05:45
nomasteryoda	but use with care	05:45
RuffianSoldier	if its a risk - im not willing to take it	05:45
nomasteryoda	but DMA should be on on newer systems	05:45
RuffianSoldier	this system is brandnew	05:46
nomasteryoda	i have not had any problems with it over 3 years	05:46
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nomasteryoda	with multiple distros	05:46
RuffianSoldier	3	05:46
nomasteryoda	yea	05:46
RuffianSoldier	1 being installed right now lol	05:46
RuffianSoldier	just got it today	05:46
nomasteryoda	i have 6 on my other work laptop	05:46
nomasteryoda	cool	05:46
nomasteryoda	congrats	05:46
nomasteryoda	got our packs yesterday too	05:47
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RuffianSoldier	i have another HD with Ubuntu im gonna put in	05:47
nomasteryoda	nice kits	05:47
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RuffianSoldier	so pressing - or + in Xine might helP?	05:47
alka_trash	anyone running hoary?	05:47
nomasteryoda	yea	05:47
nomasteryoda	something like that ...let me check	05:48
nomasteryoda	here is hdparm stuff	05:48
thully	yes	05:48
nomasteryoda	http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html	05:48
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alka_trash	my usb devices stopped working today, strangeness, I'm thinking it's because of the latest upgrade. Oh well, waiting for the next upgrade	05:48
nomasteryoda	alka_trash, all of them?	05:49
alka_trash	yep	05:49
alka_trash	really strange	05:49
nomasteryoda	ouch	05:49
nomasteryoda	yea	05:49
alka_trash	I have to grab a ps2 mouse	05:49
nomasteryoda	i have seen fat32 usb devices get lost clusters, but that is odd	05:50
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alka_trash	my little usb hub doesn't light up anymore :(\	05:50
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RuffianSoldier	:-(	05:50
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WiFiTux	Hi, how do I install the kernel-development or the sources that came with my distro?	05:50
joshua__	grub is completely borked... it cant find something that exists	05:50
carthik	Hey guys, where can I get the source for the kernel 2.6.8.1-3-686	05:50
carthik	hi WiFiTux	05:50
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WiFiTux	haha	05:50
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joshua__	grub cannot seem to see /dev/hda4 which from what i can tell corresponds to root (hd0,3)	05:51
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joshua__	any clues?	05:52
nomasteryoda	thinking	05:52
nomasteryoda	i fixed mine last week	05:52
nomasteryoda	but that laptop with 6 distros is at work	05:52
nomasteryoda	and it has 2 ubuntus	05:52
joshua__	yea... thats how my system is now	05:53
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joshua__	with two ubuntus	05:53
thully	what - hoary+warty?	05:53
joshua__	yea	05:53
nomasteryoda	yea	05:53
carthik	Hey guys, where can I get the source for the kernel 2.6.8.1-3-686 ? I need it badly :)	05:54
nomasteryoda	suse 9.1, 9.2, slack10, mdk 10.1	05:54
joshua__	when i installed warty after hoary on a different partition grub got screwed up and now i cant get into hoary, can't find the kernel images	05:54
carthik	do I need to add a debian repository to soures.list or something?	05:54
nomasteryoda	carthik, looking	05:54
carthik	thanks nomasteryoda:)	05:54
joshua__	when looking in /boot it automatically looks on /dev/hda5 (my warty parition)	05:54
joshua__	even if i specify the root of (hd0,3)	05:54
carthik	nomasteryoda i have scoured synaptic already...	05:55
nomasteryoda	ok	05:55
thoreauputic	can someone type my nick? trying to configure some colours in xchat ...	05:56
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nomasteryoda	thoreauputic,	05:56
carthik	thoreauputic,	05:56
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thoreauputic	nomasteryoda,carthic, thanks	05:56
carthik	thoreauputik, 'salright	05:57
carthik	;)	05:57
joshua__	so nomasteryoda, any ideas on my little problem? i just use warty to do one thing	05:57
carthik	so, do you think I will have a problem if I get the kernel from a non-ubuntu repository? (since I can't find it there)? Any expert comments ;) ?	05:58
ivar	q: is there a(n easy) way to upgrade the firefox in warty without committing to hoary ?	05:58
nomasteryoda	one boot parition?	05:58
nomasteryoda	ivar, use the download from mozilla.org worked or me	05:58
JDahl	noone else are having troubles with X in Hoary? I can start 'X', but neither startx or gdm will complete a startup	05:58
crimsun	JDahl: works fine here.	05:59
joshua__	nomasteryoda, no... warty is on /dev/hda5 and hoary is on /dev/hda4... the roots are (hd0,3) and (hd,4) respectively	05:59
nomasteryoda	JDahl, did you rerun the dpkg video setup?	05:59
crimsun	JDahl: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a paste web site	05:59
carthik	ivar, I cheated, I changed warty to hoary in the sources.list, updated (NOT upgraded) then I upgraded firefox, hurried back and changed hoary to warty	05:59
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geppy	JDahl: X works fine for me. =)	06:00
ivar	nomasteryoda, duh. I didn't even think of that.. but I like carthik's idea better	06:00
nomasteryoda	yea	06:00
JDahl	crimsun: I am in console mode... but I get a weird output in .xsession-error ('X' itself comes up fine, so does the gdm chooser - it is the xsession that seems to hang)	06:00
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nomasteryoda	maybe a lock file in your home?	06:01
ivar	carthik, that won't mess anything up will it ? I'm too green with package managers to take risks..	06:01
GoldeNArC	hello all	06:01
nomasteryoda	hey	06:01
crimsun	sup	06:01
prak	anyone know why sound would work on first time boot but not after... in warty?	06:01
GoldeNArC	forgive me. i'm a ubuntu newbie	06:01
nomasteryoda	congrats man	06:01
GoldeNArC	linux newbie to (prolly not what yall want to here)	06:01
carthik	ivar, try something silly then, update an app you don't use often, for practice, if you will, but it worked for me, ne'ertheless	06:01
nomasteryoda	yea we take them all	06:01
GoldeNArC	well. this is a fresh install	06:01
JDahl	gnome-message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1	06:01
crimsun	prak: check `lsmod' output	06:02
GoldeNArC	is there anything I should be doing off the bat?	06:02
crimsun	prak: what sound chipset do you use?	06:02
JDahl	I dont know if that's related	06:02
crimsun	GoldeNArC: is it installed?	06:02
joshua__	bah... i want to get back into hoary	06:02
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GoldeNArC	crimmy: yes	06:02
GoldeNArC	o	06:02
GoldeNArC	im using it now	06:02
prak	crimsun: lsmod seems to have loaded all ncessary modules	06:02
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crimsun	GoldeNArC: just open Synaptic and Refresh, then update the packages that have available updates	06:02
prak	snd_ac97_codec, snd, soundcore.. and lot of other snd_* modules	06:03
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nomasteryoda	GoldeNArC, in terminal	06:03
nomasteryoda	sudo synaptic	06:03
carthik	GoldeNArC, if it's a fresh ubuntu, check out the howtos in the forum (esp. the multimedia one) to see how you can play all sort of video file formats	06:03
humbo	If I press a gtk button ubuntu has that drum sound. This is fine. however in totem if I pause a movie and then want to play it again it tries to play the drum sound - because I clicked on the button - and play the movies sound at the same time. The drum sound comes out first so totem can't get access to the sound device to continue playing the video. I usually have to exit totem and open the video again, then drag the slider to where I was bef	06:03
GoldeNArC	crimmy: it gave me that option before it completed install to do updates. I did them.	06:03
humbo	For a quick fix I've tried to remove the drum sound in sound preferences, but can't work out how to remove it other than disabling all system sounds	06:03
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geppy	humbo: Have you tried using the keyboard shortcuts?	06:04
nomasteryoda	GoldeNArC, good	06:04
geppy	humbo: I'll agree that that's insanely annoying, and should be looked into.	06:04
crimsun	prak: what does running `alsamixer' do?	06:04
humbo	What's the play/pause shortcut?	06:04
GoldeNArC	crimmy: if your recall what we talked about previous. is it my best best to just put this HD in my windows box and using pqmagic?	06:05
geppy	humbo: I don't use Totem, so I can't say for sure, but try 'z', 'x', 'c', 'v', and the spacebar... the usual suspects. If those don't work, look into the help?	06:05
JDahl	well, I can run a failsafe session from gdm, so I am not completely screwed	06:05
GoldeNArC	best = bet	06:05
prak	crimsun: it does show me all the meters...	06:05
crimsun	GoldeNArC: do you have free HD space at least the size of your NTFS partition?	06:05
prak	i have played with them...	06:05
prak	... but to no avail	06:05
GoldeNArC	the full size.. no but I could change the partition size within windows .. then I would	06:05
crimsun	prak: what precisely is wrong? Do sound applications block or "hang?" Are your mixer sliders increased and unmuted ('m')?	06:06
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crimsun	GoldeNArC: did you set up lvm during the install process?	06:06
abah	anybody here using mldonkey in ubuntu?	06:07
geppy	humbo: P is play/pause	06:07
humbo	Ah, it's "p". Thanks for the help geppy.	06:07
GoldeNArC	crimmy: no.	06:07
geppy	heh, no problem. =)	06:07
geppy	humbo: good luck. =)	06:07
orc3n	whois pengo	06:07
farruinn	prak, is esd running?	06:07
orc3n	oops	06:07
prak	crimsun: sound apps all seem to work.. and playing etc... but there is just no sound.. .even on logon etc... all these worked when i booted first time.. so i am wondering if something got loaded then.. and not now..	06:07
prak	farruinn.. should esd run?	06:07
prak	i thought alsa is sufficient	06:08
farruinn	esd is the sound daemon, so generally yes	06:08
prak	lemme see	06:08
crimsun	GoldeNArC: well, you could shrink the NTFS partition, then create a new ext3 partition	06:08
farruinn	however I've run into apps that don't produce sound when esd is running =/	06:08
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crimsun	prak: you said nothing is muted? paste the output of `amixer' on a web site, please.	06:08
GoldeNArC	crimmy.. will i be using lvm through the terminal?	06:09
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nomasteryoda	carthik, did you look on ubuntulinux.org/wiki	06:09
prak	esd is running.. crimsun... yes, nothing is muted	06:09
carthik	nomasteryoda, yes I did, no mention of any sort there	06:10
prak	i will try to post this somewhere...	06:10
carthik	maybe I will try the mail list later	06:10
thoreauputic	er... can someone type my nick again?	06:10
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nomasteryoda	thoreauputic,	06:10
trans_err	how can I prevent agpgart from starting?	06:10
thoreauputic	hehe... OK it isn't working...thanks anyway	06:10
GoldeNArC	ok.. it appears lvm is not installed	06:11
carthik	nomasteryoda, essentially I was trying to upgrade to the latest ipw2100 module, but I will have to wait, not too sure i can use the debian repo source. Thanks for trying anyways, gotta run along now, see you later.	06:11
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GoldeNArC	this is were I get lost. were do I get it? and how do I install it	06:11
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joshua__	ok i give up	06:11
prak	crimsun... sorry.. no website i can immediately use.. any thing i should look for specifically?	06:12
crimsun	GoldeNArC: it's not necessary; it may make life a bit easier later, but it's not necessary.	06:12
GoldeNArC	ok.	06:12
crimsun	GoldeNArC: just use partitionmagic in windows to shrink the size of the ntfs partition	06:12
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crimsun	GoldeNArC: then move the HD back over and create a ext3 partition. Then copy your files over. We'll walk you through the copying part.	06:12
GoldeNArC	crimmy should I create a ext3 part within pqmagic or within linux?	06:13
crimsun	you need free space to create an ext3 partition	06:14
crimsun	so you need to shrink the NTFS partition first	06:14
joshua__	oh my grub is borked... would it be bad to run off the warty kernel images in hoary?	06:14
GoldeNArC	yes. that'll be easy, so once done shrinking should I put the hd back in this box then create the ext3 partition	06:15
crimsun	joshua__: not at all. I'm doing that now.	06:15
joshua__	crimsun, ok, because i can't get grub to find my hoary kernel images on my hoary paritition... it keeps looking for them on the warty partition	06:16
GoldeNArC	brb	06:16
Despair	Anyone getting crashes on start of gnome-control-center in hoary? (complains about missing /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libvfolder-desktop.so)	06:16
nomasteryoda	joshua__, i remember booting with the ubuntu bootable cd then modifiying the grub file to match	06:16
joshua__	nomasteryoda, i can get into warty just fine, so i can edit grub to point to the right place	06:16
joshua__	nomasteryoda, im telling grub to look in the correct place, its just getting lost	06:17
nomasteryoda	obviously that doesn't make sense, but yea... i got strangeness with 2 ubuntus	06:17
nomasteryoda	man i wish i had that system here	06:17
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Amroc	lamont......	06:20
joshua__	correct me if im wrong... but the correct root location for /dev/hda4 is (hd0,3)	06:20
nomasteryoda	no, thats right	06:20
prak	crimsun... and others.. got it to work. i patiently went through each setting in alsa... thanks..	06:20
crimsun	good to hear.	06:21
prak	so i have been using sid for a whole year.. or more.. got a shining new warty installed on my laptop moments back	06:21
prak	its a great leap for lnx..	06:21
nomasteryoda	http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/	06:22
nomasteryoda	wow	06:22
joshua__	hehe	06:22
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joshua__	way to go mike001	06:22
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nomasteryoda	joshua__, so yours looks like	06:23
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nomasteryoda	kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-686 root=/dev/hda4 ro quiet splash apm=off acpi=on	06:23
nomasteryoda	initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-686	06:23
Amroc	lamont, why dont you come to jujistu anymore?	06:24
joshua__	well minus the apm and acpi	06:24
nomasteryoda	yea i dumped those too	06:24
joshua__	and before that root (hd0,3)	06:24
nomasteryoda	yea	06:24
joshua__	makes no sense	06:24
nomasteryoda	and the other one has similar	06:24
nomasteryoda	(hd0,x)	06:25
joshua__	yea	06:25
joshua__	same exact format	06:25
zenwhen	how would one add a cdrom as an apt source	06:25
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thoreauputic	zenwhen: apt-cdrom - but it would need to be a compatible CD - what are you trying to do?	06:28
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zenwhen	I installed form the preview iso	06:28
zenwhen	wanted to update from the oficcial	06:29
zenwhen	official*	06:29
thoreauputic	zenwhen: well, you can try apt-cdrom add, but I'm not sure if the format would be supported or not - worth a try I guess	06:30
smo	the official releases should be, the the most that can go wrong is that it'll complain it can't find any indexes	06:30
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zenwhen	oh	06:31
zenwhen	ok	06:31
thoreauputic	smo: yes, it just won't co-operate <grin>	06:31
zenwhen	Ill just keep what I have then	06:31
zenwhen	Its running great	06:31
thoreauputic	zenwhen: well, as they say, if it ain't broke...	06:31
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Tsjoklat	hey thoreauputic	06:32
thoreauputic	hi :)	06:33
CardinalSin	morning. Does anybody know if there is a gui to manage run levels? I have a client who i've just moved over to Ubuntu and they have no CLI experience. main function is to start and stop apache2.	06:33
Tsjoklat	how are you thoreauputic.. long time no speak	06:33
CardinalSin	I am training him in the basics, but he is very nervous.	06:34
thoreauputic	I'm fine... having trouble remembering who you are - to be frank ;)	06:35
thoreauputic	Tsjoklat: ^^	06:35
joshua__	is it possible to point grub to load a kernel image on a different partition than the rest of the stuff?	06:36
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joshua__	do you think it would make a difference if grub was located on a floppy?	06:36
nomasteryoda	joshua__, look down near bottom http://mandrakeusers.org/lofiversion/index.php/t20242.html	06:36
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joshua__	nomasteroyda: ooh... so thats that format "title" then "kernel (hdx,x)/boot	06:39
joshua__	nomasteryoda, ill try that	06:39
nomasteryoda	ok	06:39
nomasteryoda	that should work	06:39
joshua__	nomasteryoda, thanks	06:39
nomasteryoda	glad google is around	06:39
nomasteryoda	=)	06:39
joshua__	brb	06:40
nomasteryoda	yup	06:40
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joshua__	ok this is seriously f'd up	06:43
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joshua__	nomasteryoda, didn't work	06:45
nomasteryoda	sorry man	06:46
nomasteryoda	can you open a new dialog and paste the menu.lst?	06:46
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z4k4ri4	anybody here using hoary?	06:50
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Tsjoklat	we are all on Suse z4k4ri4	06:51
joshua__	Tsjoklat, don't make fun of the poor kid	06:52
joshua__	;-)	06:52
lil_anthony	anyone know how to get flashmedia to play sound i have the flashplugin-nonfree installed the media plays but i get no sound	06:52
Tsjoklat	joshua_ :P	06:52
jiyuu0	lil_anthony, try flashplayer-mozilla	06:53
lil_anthony	ok let me try thanks	06:53
JDahl	crimsun: what seemed to lock gnome during start was that gnome-menus was not installed - there was a dependecy conflict with kdelibs+friends.. after I unstalled them and installed gnome-menus everything is fine	06:54
jmhodges	hola	06:54
z4k4ri4	how many meg are daily hoary update?	06:55
z4k4ri4	on average	06:57
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lil_anthony	jiyuu0: does it install the plugin in the /usr/bin/mozilla/plugins dir as libflashplayer.so?	06:58
jiyuu0	yub	06:58
jiyuu0	think so...	06:58
lil_anthony	ok just making sure i had the right links setup	06:58
lil_anthony	let me try	06:59
bur[n] er	with firefox, it hsould just prompt you to install it	06:59
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lil_anthony	hmm i ran apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla then go to the flash page now i nolonger get anything it says stopped	06:59
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GotD0t	nomasteryoda: this is joshua__ from hoary, yay... but he feels really stupid now	07:00
bur[n] er	go to www.cartoonnetwork.com	07:00
bur[n] er	see if it worked	07:00
nomasteryoda	lol	07:00
bur[n] er	seriously, it's my flash tester ;)	07:00
lil_anthony	ok	07:00
nomasteryoda	it's ok	07:00
nomasteryoda	glad to help	07:00
GotD0t	thanks nomasteryoda	07:01
nomasteryoda	loading line at a time in xchat allowed slower reading	07:01
nomasteryoda	yup	07:01
nomasteryoda	welcome	07:01
GotD0t	nah... im convinced im dyslexic	07:01
nomasteryoda	or lacking sleep	07:01
nomasteryoda	like me	07:01
nomasteryoda	going to hit the hay	07:02
GotD0t	combination of the two	07:02
lil_anthony	hmm i'm a checkin tryign to find something that i knwo would have sound	07:02
nomasteryoda	later all	07:02
CardinalSin	cheers nomasteryoda.	07:03
nomasteryoda	chairs	07:03
nomasteryoda	hehe	07:03
nomasteryoda	greeting till next time	07:03
CardinalSin	:)	07:03
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lil_anthony	hmm it doesn't appear to work it starts then stops	07:04
jmhodges	anyone here know how well the Wacom tablets are supported?	07:07
jmhodges	im debating whether to buy a tablet pc or an ibm t41 with a wacom..	07:08
lil_anthony	i get visual but no audio still	07:08
lil_anthony	there is not a place to tell it to use alsa?	07:09
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lil_anthony	does dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-browser work for firefox too?	07:12
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dirtydawg	ok..	07:13
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GoldeNArX	the parts are all done up	07:13
GoldeNArX	what shall I do now?	07:14
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farruinn	was there a pre-warty release?	07:15
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GoldeNArX	anyone around?	07:16
GoldeNArX	crimsun: you around?	07:17
GotD0t	nobody but us fleas	07:17
GoldeNArX	I make a good flea	07:17
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GoldeNArX	ok.. well	07:19
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GoldeNArX	I gotta mount this hd.	07:19
GoldeNArX	not sure how	07:19
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Agrajag	well what is it	07:20
GoldeNArX	a hard drive	07:20
GoldeNArX	hehe.. 160gb	07:20
topyli	GoldeNArX: yes? what's on the disk?	07:21
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GoldeNArX	mp3s mostly	07:21
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GoldeNArX	its a long process. i resized the ntfs partition to make an ext3 partition	07:21
GoldeNArX	so I need to mount the drive to copy over the mp3s from the ntfs partition	07:22
Newbie04	Hello, anyone know how to install ubuntu 64 on an Athlon 64 (Soltek mb) with a SATA hd ?	07:22
GoldeNArX	then remove the ntfs partition and ad another ext3	07:22
GotD0t	GoldeNArX: i hope you're trying to mount the individual partitions, and not the "drive"	07:22
topyli	GoldeNArX: and how are you failing to do that?	07:22
GoldeNArX	i dont know how to mount	07:22
GotD0t	GoldeNArX: oh... hehe	07:23
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topyli	GoldeNArX: that can make it difficult, yes :)	07:23
GoldeNArX	hehe	07:23
GoldeNArX	how do I go about this. (new to linux)	07:23
topyli	GoldeNArX: is it the only drive you have, or a second one?	07:24
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GoldeNArX	2nd drive	07:24
GotD0t	topyli: you take it, i have to study for an essay	07:24
GotD0t	err	07:24
topyli	GotD0t: ok, we'll manage	07:24
GotD0t	exam rather	07:24
topyli	GoldeNArX: ubuntu on first drive, the second is unmounted?	07:24
GoldeNArX	correct.	07:24
topyli	GoldeNArX: in a terminal, do 'sudo fdisk /dev/hdb'	07:25
GoldeNArX	sudo fdisk /dev/hdb	07:25
GoldeNArX	ok sec	07:26
topyli	GoldeNArX: press P	07:26
Adrenal	how do i install a 3d card driver?	07:26
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Adrenal	says i can't be in x desktop	07:26
GotD0t	Adrenal: warty?	07:26
Adrenal	but how do i edit boot so that i am not in the aforementioned x desktop	07:26
Adrenal	warty?	07:26
topyli	GoldeNArX: now you should see the partitions	07:26
GoldeNArX	Unable to open /dev/hdb	07:26
topyli	hmm.	07:27
GotD0t	Adrenal: nevermind... just go into a terminal and type /etc/init.d/gdm stop, and to get back in do startx	07:27
GoldeNArX	let me reboot this machine to make sure hard drive detected	07:27
topyli	GoldeNArX: forgot sudo?	07:27
GotD0t	Adrenal: note... it will exit all apps open	07:27
Newbie04	GoldeNArX: Where did you connect that second drive ?	07:27
Adrenal	kk	07:27
Adrenal	so i type that	07:27
Adrenal	reboot	07:27
GotD0t	no	07:27
Adrenal	then when i'm done	07:27
GoldeNArX	its on secondary controler	07:27
GotD0t	you don't need to reboot	07:27
GoldeNArX	its master on secodary	07:27
GotD0t	just do that now	07:27
Adrenal	kk	07:27
GoldeNArX	ok	07:27
Adrenal	so i hit that	07:27
GotD0t	and you don't have to reboot	07:27
topyli	GoldeNArX: then it's hdc	07:27
Agrajag	that's hdc	07:27
Adrenal	cd to the directory with the driver	07:27
Newbie04	Then its /dev/hdc	07:28
Adrenal	run as normal	07:28
Agrajag	fdisk -l /dev/hdc	07:28
GotD0t	yea	07:28
Adrenal	then start x	07:28
Adrenal	cheers	07:28
GotD0t	no space	07:28
GotD0t	startx	07:28
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Adrenal	cheers	07:28
Adrenal	bye	07:28
GoldeNArX	The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 19457.	07:28
GoldeNArX	There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,	07:28
GoldeNArX	and could in certain setups cause problems with:	07:28
GoldeNArX	1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)	07:28
GoldeNArX	2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs	07:28
GoldeNArX	(e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)	07:28
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Newbie04	Anyone know how to install ubuntu 64 on an Athlon 64 (Soltek mb) with a SATA hd ?	07:28
topyli	GoldeNArX: ok, press P and you should see the partitions	07:28
Agrajag	GoldeNArX: use -l	07:28
Agrajag	fdisk -l /dev/hdc	07:28
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GoldeNArX	linux native, linux swap, whole drive	07:29
GoldeNArX	disk sorry	07:29
\|QuaD-_	are there any places to read about what is actively being developed on hoary (like a log book)	07:29
Agrajag	nothing about an ntfs/hpfs partition?	07:29
topyli	GoldeNArX: no ntfs?	07:29
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GoldeNArX	just says hold disk	07:30
Agrajag	that doesn't sound good	07:30
GoldeNArX	Device Flag Start End Blocks Id System	07:30
GoldeNArX	/dev/hdc1 0 1935 975240 83 Linux native	07:30
GoldeNArX	/dev/hdc2 u 1935 2036 50904 82 Linux swap	07:30
GoldeNArX	/dev/hdc3 0 2036 1026144 5 Whole disk	07:30
GoldeNArX	whole disk	07:30
Agrajag	well maybe it's just got the wrong type listed.	07:30
Agrajag	what happens when you run this: "sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs && mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc3 /mnt/ntfs"	07:31
rattboi	\|QuaD-: I want to know that too	07:31
Agrajag	Does it give you any errors?	07:31
topyli	GoldeNArX: perhaps that's the wrong drive after all, try /dev/hda too :)	07:31
Newbie04	Partition 5 is probably the Etended, nothing in there	07:32
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GoldeNArX	so what should I do from here?	07:32
GoldeNArX	thee should be a ntfs partition	07:32
topyli	GoldeNArX: did you try Agrajag's mount command	07:32
GoldeNArX	no.	07:33
GoldeNArX	sec	07:33
Agrajag	er, that should be: "sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs && sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc3 /mnt/ntfs"	07:33
Synek	hi	07:33
Agrajag	forgot the second sudo\	07:33
topyli	GoldeNArX: you can press Q in the fdisk terminal now, we don't want to make any mistakes there :)	07:33
Newbie04	... mkdir -f .. ?	07:34
rattboi	anyone know about doing captive-ntfs?	07:34
rattboi	I actually got it working, but only with root	07:34
GoldeNArX	ok	07:34
lil_anthony	how do i start and stop the alsa daemon please? is it not /etc/init.d/alsa start/stop?	07:34
GoldeNArX	i'm at a blank terminal	07:35
GoldeNArX	whats my first steps?	07:35
topyli	GoldeNArX: then do ls /mnt/ntfs	07:35
GoldeNArX	did that and it did nothing	07:35
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Newbie04	Any messages after the mount command ?	07:36
GoldeNArX	sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs	07:36
GoldeNArX	first right	07:36
Agrajag	yes	07:36
[BTM] gee	someone that knows if there is a good program to use when you want to add game servers?	07:36
Agrajag	then sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc3 /mnt/ntfs	07:36
[BTM] gee	like all seeing eyes if somebody knows what it is	07:37
GoldeNArX	hrmm.. this is odd	07:38
GoldeNArX	none of it seems to work	07:38
topyli	GoldeNArX: if you now type just 'mount', do you see the /mnt/ntfs mount point listed?	07:38
GoldeNArX	no	07:38
Agrajag	but when you try to mount, it doesn't give you an error or anything?	07:38
topyli	GoldeNArX: do 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda' -- to make sure we really have the correct disk here :)	07:39
GoldeNArX	Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System	07:39
GoldeNArX	/dev/hda1 * 1 8447 3991176 83 Linux	07:39
GoldeNArX	/dev/hda2 8448 8895 211680 f W95 Ext'd (LBA)	07:39
GoldeNArX	/dev/hda5 8448 8895 211648+ 82 Linux swap	07:39
Newbie04	Can I make the Warty (64 bit) installation CD 'see' a SATA drive ?	07:39
GoldeNArX	Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System	07:40
GoldeNArX	/dev/hdc1 1 8287 66565296 7 HPFS/NTFS	07:40
GoldeNArX	/dev/hdc2 8288 19457 89723025 f W95 Ext'd (LBA)	07:40
GoldeNArX	/dev/hdc5 8288 19457 89722993+ 83 Linux	07:40
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GoldeNArX	those are the 2 drives	07:40
zenwhen	spamaliscious	07:40
Newbie04	hdc1	07:40
GoldeNArX	thats the 1.	07:41
Agrajag	that didn't show up before	07:41
GoldeNArX	so which command do I run first from herE?	07:41
topyli	GoldeNArX: now we are going somewhere :)	07:41
Agrajag	sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/ntfs	07:41
zenwhen	:*	07:41
Agrajag	:*	07:41
zenwhen	I nevr recognize you with that name.	07:42
GoldeNArX	gives me a whole screen of the command usage	07:42
Agrajag	huh	07:42
Agrajag	Did you type it right?	07:42
Agrajag	just copy and paste	07:42
topyli	GoldeNArX: the command seems sane anough to me	07:42
[BTM] gee	GoldeNArX try sudo mount -t ntfs -o gid=1000,uid=1000, /dev/hdc1 /mnt/ntfs thats my mount	07:42
Agrajag	maybe you should do sudo umount /mnt/ntfs first	07:43
[BTM] gee	dont know what gid and uid you have	07:43
topyli	Agrajag: do we have ntfs support by default btw?	07:43
Agrajag	topyli: yes	07:43
Agrajag	this isn't fedora	07:43
GoldeNArX	says it wasent mounted	07:43
topyli	:)	07:43
Agrajag	ok	07:43
Agrajag	GoldeNArX: so try sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/ntfs again	07:43
GoldeNArX	btm's mount command worked	07:44
[BTM] gee	had the same problem, just had to add the gid and uid	07:44
Agrajag	ok	07:44
Agrajag	hm, I never did	07:44
[BTM] gee	hehe nice:)	07:44
Newbie04	Agrajag: do we have SATA (nVidia) support by default ?	07:44
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[BTM] gee	first time i ever helped someone :D	07:44
Agrajag	no idea	07:44
GoldeNArX	it just poped up	07:44
Agrajag	/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec 0 0	07:44
Agrajag	that's mine	07:44
[BTM] gee	goodie GoldeNArX :)	07:44
topyli	GoldeNArX: so now if you ls /mnt/ntfs, you see a listing?	07:44
GoldeNArX	yes	07:45
[BTM] gee	you know that you only have read right?	07:45
[BTM] gee	you cant write	07:45
GoldeNArX	yes	07:45
GoldeNArX	i need to mount the ext3 partition now	07:45
[BTM] gee	good	07:45
topyli	GoldeNArX: great. you can now copy your mp3's and pr0n out of there	07:45
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Newbie04	The uid, gid is to make some user owner after the mount	07:45
[BTM] gee	mm	07:45
GoldeNArX	I need to mount the ext3 partition now	07:46
GoldeNArX	how do I do that?	07:46
[BTM] gee	Newbie04 do you know any good program that lists gaming servers ?	07:46
[BTM] gee	GoldeNArX hm w8	07:46
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nomasteryoda	same way	07:46
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topyli	GoldeNArX: ok. sudo mkdir /mnt/ext3, then sudo mount /dev/hdc5 /mnt/ext3	07:47
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nomasteryoda	topyli, there you go	07:47
Newbie04	[BTM] gee: Sorry, don't know anything about gaming :(	07:47
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[BTM] gee	hehe k:)	07:47
Danko123456	thats better	07:47
Danko123456	Hi.	07:47
crimsun	[BTM] gee: xqf	07:47
[BTM] gee	tnx crimsun	07:47
GoldeNArX	ok that worked	07:47
Danko123456	I just joined a room "ubuntuchannel:	07:47
topyli	GoldeNArX: ok, now copy the files	07:48
[BTM] gee	hope it works with quake3	07:48
crimsun	[BTM] gee: of course	07:48
Danko123456	Hi.	07:48
GoldeNArX	says I have no permision to write to folder	07:48
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[BTM] gee	:)	07:49
rattboi	hey, easy thing	07:49
rattboi	how do I tile the windows in Gnome?	07:49
[BTM] gee	crimsun what driver do you use? nvidia?	07:49
crimsun	[BTM] gee: yes. 1.0-6629	07:49
GoldeNArX	no permision fellas?	07:49
[BTM] gee	yepp same here	07:49
[BTM] gee	got some probs with it	07:49
topyli	GoldeNArX: sudo cp -a /mnt/ntfs/* /mnt/ext3 will copy them as they are	07:50
[BTM] gee	wont accept 1600x1200, and it wont apply my changes with the vertrefresh	07:50
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topyli	GoldeNArX: but you may want to make another subdir under /mnt/ext3 first	07:50
[BTM] gee	have you ever had that prob?	07:50
Danko123456	What language are most of the ubuntu applications written in?	07:50
Newbie04	Can I make the Warty (64 bit) installation CD 'see' a SATA drive and install on this ?	07:50
crimsun	Danko123456: C, Python	07:50
Danko123456	Cool, Thanks.	07:51
crimsun	Danko123456: but you should really ask for specific "applications"	07:51
Danko123456	How do AI find the source code?	07:51
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crimsun	Danko123456: available in the ubuntu repositories	07:51
GoldeNArX	it wont allow me to create the folder?	07:51
Danko123456	I guess, I thought that myself while I was writing.	07:51
topyli	GoldeNArX: you need to work with sudo all the time now	07:51
crimsun	GoldeNArX: that's because your user doesn't have permission	07:51
Danko123456	Thanks,	07:51
crimsun	GoldeNArX: use what topyli suggested	07:52
GoldeNArX	ok.	07:52
[BTM] gee	hm did you see what i wrote crimsun ?:)	07:52
Newbie04	GoldeNArX: or do: sudo chmod 777 /mnt/ext3	07:52
crimsun	01:50 < topyli> GoldeNArX: sudo cp -a /mnt/ntfs/* /mnt/ext3/.	07:52
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crimsun	[BTM] gee: one sec	07:52
[BTM] gee	np	07:52
Danko123456	Is there any code written in .net languages?, would taht work at all?	07:52
topyli	crimsun: gee it's late there :)	07:52
GoldeNArX	ok	07:53
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[BTM] gee	hh	07:53
GoldeNArX	that works	07:53
crimsun	Danko123456: warty doesn't officially have mono support; hoary will	07:53
crimsun	Danko123456: currently mono* are in hoary's universe	07:53
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thoreauputic_	hmm... lots of themes available for irssi... not many that I like, though	07:53
Agrajag	Danko123456: you can install mono from another repo though	07:53
crimsun	[BTM] gee: what application(s) are you trying to force into 16x12?	07:53
Danko123456	Well I do not even know what mono is.	07:53
Agrajag	I have muine installed	07:53
Agrajag	mono is a .NET implementation	07:53
crimsun	Danko123456: www.go-mono.com	07:53
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[BTM] gee	x of course	07:54
GoldeNArX	this may take awhile	07:54
GoldeNArX	hehe	07:54
Danko123456	thanks very much.	07:54
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GoldeNArX	got another question. is it necasary to have a swap partition on each hd?	07:54
topyli	GoldeNArX: verify that the files are there, umount the partitions, and then you can destroy the ntfs partition with gparted or something	07:54
Danko123456	And I guess then there is not many programs written in .net.	07:54
topyli	GoldeNArX: no, one swap per system	07:54
crimsun	GoldeNArX: you don't need swap at all if you have gobs of physical memory	07:54
crimsun	GoldeNArX: it all depends on your working set	07:55
[BTM] gee	added 16x12 in xf86config-4, and it adds 1400x1050?:D	07:55
GoldeNArX	well. this box is only 128 ram	07:55
Danko123456	So I guess mono is like the whole development environment, or just a runtime one?	07:55
[BTM] gee	its very odd	07:55
crimsun	GoldeNArX: so you'll want at least 256 MB swap	07:55
Newbie04	Guys, can I make the Warty (64 bit) installation CD 'see' a SATA drive and install on this ?	07:55
crimsun	[BTM] gee: does your monitor support 16x12 at the resolution you're attempting to use?	07:55
[BTM] gee	hehe of course:)	07:55
crimsun	[BTM] gee: err, at the refresh rate	07:56
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Danko123456	K im sorry you kinda answered that already.	07:56
GoldeNArX	ok. the reason why I asked is pqmagic made a swap partition on this drive when the boot drive has its own swap partition.	07:56
[BTM] gee	well the problem is that it wont add 16x12	07:56
GoldeNArX	is there a way for me to check my swap partition size?	07:56
Agrajag	GoldeNArX: free	07:56
crimsun	[BTM] gee: then add it yourself	07:56
Agrajag	free -m to see it in megabytes	07:56
[BTM] gee	done it in every way, but it wont change	07:56
[BTM] gee	thats the wierd part	07:56
Newbie04	swap -s ??	07:56
[BTM] gee	what card do you use?	07:56
crimsun	[BTM] gee: http://sh.nu/nvidia/gtf.php	07:57
[BTM] gee	nice nice	07:57
crimsun	[BTM] gee: generaet a modeline, place that modeline in Section "Monitor"	07:57
crimsun	generate^	07:57
[BTM] gee	ait	07:57
crimsun	[BTM] gee: then prepend it to the list of Modes in Section "Screen"	07:57
[BTM] gee	k	07:58
crimsun	[BTM] gee: then restart gdm	07:58
GoldeNArX	Mem: 124 122 1 0 0 58	07:58
GoldeNArX	-/+ buffers/cache: 63 60	07:58
GoldeNArX	Swap: 206 27 178	07:58
GoldeNArX	so my sway is 206 mb	07:58
GoldeNArX	swap instead	07:58
Agrajag	yes	07:58
Danko123456	So, basically, the mono thing is gonna work on the warthog?	07:59
Agrajag	Danko123456: what	07:59
Agrajag	Danko123456: warty does not support mono.	07:59
GoldeNArX	well the swap part is 2gb i think	07:59
Danko123456	Oh, that means it wont work I guess.	07:59
Newbie04	The swap on hdc is probably not added	07:59
Danko123456	:)	07:59
Agrajag	Danko123456: you can add an apt repo for it but it's not supported	07:59
GoldeNArX	how big should I make the swap	07:59
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Agrajag	it will work	07:59
topyli	Danko123456: mono works once you get it installed	07:59
Agrajag	it's just not supported	07:59
Danko123456	I see, well thats good, cause I dont know how to do anything yet.	08:00
crimsun	GoldeNArX: scroll up	08:00
Danko123456	on this OS.	08:00
Danko123456	I mean, I know how to use the GUI.	08:00
Danko123456	but thats it.	08:00
topyli	Danko123456: that's plenty :)	08:00
Danko123456	Can I ask you guys questions about it?	08:00
GoldeNArX	so 256 is sufficient. making it any bigger wont make it faster or anything?	08:00
Danko123456	I mean I guess youre here for that?>	08:00
crimsun	GoldeNArX: no, HD-based swap is slow	08:01
crimsun	GoldeNArX: but you need at _least_ 256	08:01
crimsun	GoldeNArX: particularly if you plan to use X Windows on that machine	08:01
GoldeNArX	ok. is 300 megs a decent number?	08:01
Danko123456	How would I go about installing a bittorent program?	08:01
Danko123456	How do you install I guess.	08:02
bpd1069	Is there a way to force the motherboard to use 4x AGP ? my motherboard specs to 4x but I can't seem to see indication that it will get past 1x... do I actually need a card in the AGP slot to utilize 4x (PCI video card ati 9200SE)?	08:02
Agrajag	Danko123456: apt-get install bittornado bittornado-gui	08:02
topyli	GoldeNArX: it all depends. how much swap are you using right now?	08:02
Danko123456	thank you.	08:02
topyli	GoldeNArX: i mean how much is actually in use?	08:02
Agrajag	bpd1069: how exactly do you plan on using AGP on a PCI video card?	08:02
GoldeNArX	27 meg	08:02
zenwhen	bpd1069, yes, of course oyu need an AGP card for 4x agp.	08:02
Newbie04	I have 750MB RAM and still using 800MB Swap :-(	08:02
zenwhen	Thats the whole ppoint of AGP.	08:02
crimsun	GoldeNArX: you need at least 256. Somewhere between 256 and 512 should be ok.	08:02
GoldeNArX	ok.	08:03
zenwhen	My head hurts. :(	08:03
crimsun	Newbie04: what's your working set size?	08:03
topyli	GoldeNArX: seems to be sufficient then	08:03
GoldeNArX	yeah.. i'm sure its fine.	08:03
GoldeNArX	should get more ram for this box	08:03
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bpd1069	via the radeon drivers... BusType option forces to PCI but it still goes to teh agpgart right?	08:03
Danko123456	you guys are so nice, thanks for now.	08:03
topyli	GoldeNArX: definitely you should double it	08:03
Agrajag	what	08:03
Newbie04	crimsun: Ehhh ? Swap ?	08:03
bpd1069	thanks zenwhen..	08:03
GoldeNArX	ok.	08:03
Newbie04	GoldeNArX: good idea	08:04
crimsun	Newbie04: free -m\|grep -\|awk -F' ' '{print $4}'	08:04
topyli	linux likes ram :)	08:04
bpd1069	hmmm	08:04
[BTM] gee	crimsun nah couldnt dl it	08:04
[BTM] gee	heh..:)	08:04
crimsun	[BTM] gee: couldn't "dl" it?	08:04
[BTM] gee	download	08:04
[BTM] gee	it	08:04
GoldeNArX	its only a pIII 450. seems to be running ok. I know it lacks in ram. but xp was basically unbearable	08:04
crimsun	[BTM] gee: download what?	08:04
[BTM] gee	that program	08:05
Newbie04	398	08:05
topyli	GoldeNArX: the cpu is not as important as ram on a desktop box i think	08:05
crimsun	[BTM] gee: you don't download it, you use it. It's a cgi script.	08:05
[BTM] gee	ah	08:05
[BTM] gee	lyl	08:05
[BTM] gee	iam tired :)	08:05
[BTM] gee	af hel	08:05
[BTM] gee	+l	08:05
GoldeNArX	topyli : agreed.	08:05
crimsun	[BTM] gee: the same program is available on your computer as /usr/bin/gtf	08:06
[BTM] gee	oh k	08:06
Newbie04	crimsun: do you know if I can install Warty on a SATA disk ? (Athlon 64/Soltek-nVidia)	08:06
GoldeNArX	once this stuff is done copying i'm gonna drop this hd back into my main machine and use pqmagic to delete the ntfs part and resize the ext3 part to the whole size of the drive.	08:07
GoldeNArX	when i'm done that i'm gonna need to know how to mount the drive when the machine starts up	08:07
Newbie04	GoldeNArX: you need edit the /etc/fstab	08:08
Newbie04	file	08:08
Agrajag	GoldeNArX: add it to /etc/fstab	08:08
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topyli	GoldeNArX: you can use the other ext3 partitions in /etc/fstab as templates for your new line	08:08
GoldeNArX	yeah.. it'd be easy	08:09
topyli	GoldeNArX: you also probably want to take care of permissions on the partition, right now i guess they will be owned by root	08:09
GoldeNArX	i dont think i made a root password	08:10
topyli	GoldeNArX: yeah, that's why we use sudo :)	08:10
crimsun	Newbie04: I don't know offhand. Have you checked the wiki?	08:10
topyli	GoldeNArX: but you want your user(s) have read-write access to the files and dirs on the new partition i guess	08:11
GoldeNArX	it wont let me do anything to the fstab file	08:11
Newbie04	crimsun: Nope, just tried the Warty CD .... see, that's my nick ;-)	08:11
GoldeNArX	there is only 1 user	08:11
GoldeNArX	me.	08:11
GoldeNArX	how am I gonna change that?	08:11
GoldeNArX	can I login as root?	08:11
topyli	GoldeNArX: you need sudo to edit fstab	08:12
Agrajag	use sudo	08:12
Newbie04	GoldeNArX: sudo -s	08:12
GoldeNArX	oh. thats right	08:12
crimsun	just use sudo	08:12
Agrajag	sudo gedit /etc/fstab	08:12
GoldeNArX	i understand now	08:12
Danko123456	Which directory does a program go to when you install it with the root?	08:12
Newbie04	No elvis ? ;-)	08:12
GoldeNArX	sudo is like passive or something?	08:12
crimsun	"passive?"	08:12
topyli	GoldeNArX: anyway, no need to edit fstab now, because you can't be sure what the disk will look like after you edit it :)	08:13
Agrajag	Danko123456: executables go to /usr/bin or /bin, libraries to /usr/lib or /lib, other parts go to /usr/share	08:13
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Danko123456	thanks	08:13
Newbie04	crimsun: Do I just have to search for Wiki on the main site ?	08:13
GoldeNArX	ok. so whats my best bet for user access? loging in as root is not smart?	08:13
rattboi	yo, who was saying they used ion2?	08:14
rattboi	it's pretty cool	08:14
crimsun	Newbie04: go to the wiki, search for SATA	08:14
Agrajag	no, and that's why you can't log in as root.	08:14
rattboi	it'll take a little while to get used to though	08:14
Newbie04	GoldeNArX: you could make subdirectories on your mounted disk and chown on those	08:14
Newbie04	Ok crimsun, thx I will	08:14
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Danko123456	Now that I have installed bittornado, and I know which directory the binary is in, how do I get started on downloading files?	08:14
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topyli	GoldeNArX: if you need a real root session, you can do 'sudo -s' in a terminal. but i don't think you need to	08:15
punk0	hi somebody have asterisk in ubuntu	08:15
punk0	???	08:15
GoldeNArX	ok.. so in order to have full access to the drives and stuff. what is it I should do?	08:15
GoldeNArX	forgive if some of my questions are air headed	08:15
GoldeNArX	they are usually regardless.. right crimmy?	08:16
crimsun	you already have full access	08:16
punk0	im have problems compiling zaptel modules	08:16
GoldeNArX	why is it I was stuck to using sudo then?	08:16
GoldeNArX	what if I want to use the gui?	08:17
Newbie04	GoldeNArX: sudo mkdir /mnt/ext3/<mydir> && sudo chown <myname> /mnt/ext3/<mydir>	08:17
GoldeNArX	i'm gonna not get ahead of myself here	08:17
crimsun	GoldeNArX needs to pass a umask option to mount, that's all	08:17
topyli	GoldeNArX: something like 'sudo chown -R GoldeNArX:GoldeNArX /mnt/ext3/*'. although i don't think your username is GoldeNArX :)	08:17
crimsun	there's more information in the mount man page	08:17
lil_anthony	question where should the mozilla-firefoxrc be placed in ubuntu?	08:17
GoldeNArX	i'm gonna cross that bridge when this is done copying and i've resized the part	08:18
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topyli	GoldeNArX: oh yes, and when you mount it, mount it right, like crimsun here says	08:18
Danko123456	What kind of questions do you guys answer, is there a policy or sthg like that?	08:18
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crimsun	Danko123456: we should all answer the ones we can	08:19
Newbie04	Ok guys, I'm outahere (8:20am, time for work)	08:19
Danko123456	k	08:19
crimsun	bye	08:19
topyli	Danko123456: the kind we know something about	08:19
Danko123456	Now that I have installed bittornado, and I know which directory the binary is in, how do I get started on downloading files?	08:19
Danko123456	Is there a manual for using the program?	08:20
Danko123456	d bittornado,	08:20
crimsun	man bittornado	08:20
\|QuaD-_	exit	08:21
\|QuaD-_	blah	08:21
\|QuaD-_	ttyl	08:21
crimsun	and use a popular search engine to find web sites for torrent trackers	08:21
GoldeNArX	how does one tell how much space is left on drive>?	08:21
crimsun	left? cfdisk will tell you.	08:22
topyli	GoldeNArX: df	08:22
crimsun	on a mounted partition, df will tell you.	08:22
topyli	use the -h option to get "human readable" output :)	08:22
GoldeNArX	god.. is there a book of common linux commands?	08:23
topyli	hehe	08:23
Danko123456	That easy, hey?	08:23
crimsun	GoldeNArX: of course	08:23
Danko123456	good, thankl you.	08:23
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topyli	GoldeNArX: make notes while you're on irc, and you'll have your list of commands soon ;)	08:24
GoldeNArX	yeah.. i've been doing that.	08:24
GoldeNArX	tho i'm not clear on what sudo does exactly	08:24
topyli	GoldeNArX: sudo runs the command as root basically	08:25
GoldeNArX	ic. what was confusing me is "sudo is like the single command used" when only its a mode for a command.. right?	08:25
Danko123456	Is the man for bittornado supposed to work in any directory?	08:25
crimsun	GoldeNArX: read sudo(8): man 8 sudo	08:26
topyli	GoldeNArX: no, sudo is the command you run, and then sudo runs the command you give it as an argument	08:26
GoldeNArX	ok. I understand.	08:26
GoldeNArX	crimmy: I dont get your reference there	08:26
topyli	man sudo and man sudoers will tell you all	08:27
crimsun	GoldeNArX: in a terminal, read the man page.	08:27
GoldeNArX	ok	08:27
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GoldeNArX	this is very cool. to be honest the furthest i've been yet.	08:28
BlacKnight\|	hi everyone!	08:28
crimsun	'lo	08:28
Danko123456	what about the commands that are not common, like the bottorent one, are they stored in a path accessible directory i.e. man bittorent would work from any directory?	08:28
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GoldeNArX	but copying my music to the ext3 part is the final step, then i'm fully commited	08:28
BlacKnight\|	i'm trying to install ubuntu over an existing installation of mdk	08:29
Danko123456	hi BK.	08:29
GoldeNArX	65 gigs is taking awhile tho	08:29
ficusplanet	I noticed since upgrading to hoary that directories don't automatically update (I have to refresh to see changes). Is there any way to fix this?	08:29
topyli	Danko123456: yes, man searches the $MANPATH	08:29
Danko123456	I see, mine is not pulling anything.	08:29
Danko123456	for that program.	08:29
BlacKnight\|	basically i wanted to keep my /home (hda8), and format / (hda5) and /usr (hda7)	08:29
BlacKnight\|	hrmm i'm doing a bad job of describing this	08:29
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topyli	Danko123456: yes, because there is no command "bittornado". try 'man btdownloadgui'	08:30
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crimsun	GoldeNArX: yes, it will	08:30
BlacKnight\|	i'll give you the error first: when tyring to complete partitioning, i get this error from parted: "this ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout"	08:30
Danko123456	oh.	08:30
BlacKnight\|	(for hda8)	08:30
BlacKnight\|	then it says that i can't use hda8	08:30
BlacKnight\|	... because i'm trying to use the existing /home	08:31
GoldeNArX	ok. next question. If I want to share this drive (hdc) over a network so windows can read off it. will that be tough?\	08:31
BlacKnight\|	this is all complicated by the fact that i have two existing windows partitions also	08:31
crimsun	GoldeNArX: nope, just need to configure /etc/samba/smb.conf and restart samba	08:31
topyli	GoldeNArX: you need to set up samba	08:31
BlacKnight\|	so does anyone have any idea what i should do?	08:31
GoldeNArX	ok	08:32
GoldeNArX	get to that later aswel	08:32
GoldeNArX	what time is it for all you guys>	08:32
BlacKnight\|	(i don't know why the installer is tyring to use parted anyway.. i don't want to resize any of my partitions)	08:32
topyli	GoldeNArX: then you'll have samba mp3's :)	08:32
crimsun	2:32 AM EST	08:32
crimsun	fairly early in the day	08:32
topyli	GoldeNArX: 09:33:02 EET	08:33
GoldeNArX	crimmy: do you not sleep bro?	08:33
GoldeNArX	its 12:33 here	08:33
Danko123456	Im cst	08:33
crimsun	GoldeNArX: I sleep when I'm wide awake.	08:33
GoldeNArX	for real?	08:34
Danko123456	ok...	08:34
Danko123456	I dont get it	08:34
topyli	i sleep at work	08:34
Danko123456	:)	08:34
BlacKnight\|	anyone?	08:34
RuffianSoldier	I get it	08:34
Danko123456	I really dont know.	08:34
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: ok, basically you should tell it to use hda5 (/) first	08:35
topyli	BlacKnight\|: i hope it's not trying to format hda8	08:35
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crimsun	BlacKnight\|: then see if you can split /usr onto hda7	08:36
BlacKnight\|	so do i topyli	08:36
BlacKnight\|	crimsun: how do you mean tell it to use that first?	08:36
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BlacKnight\|	do the partitioning one at a time?	08:36
BlacKnight\|	i get some error about hda1 (the primary windows partition) not being setup correctly	08:36
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: one logical partition per step, yes. Usually installers ask for a partition first onto which to place /	08:37
BlacKnight\|	ah ok i'll try that	08:37
BlacKnight\|	thanks	08:37
Danko123456	Hey, I wanted to ask this: is there an antivirus program for ubuntu?	08:37
crimsun	Danko123456: there are some for Linux, yes, like clamav, f-prot, etc.; on the whole, they're not necessary	08:38
Danko123456	is that an oximoron?	08:38
Danko123456	haha	08:38
Danko123456	I guess kinda	08:38
Danko123456	How do I find out if there is a java compiler on my computer, do i just try to compile something?	08:39
GoldeNArX	my god this is slow	08:39
GoldeNArX	guess cause its from an ntfs part	08:39
BlacKnight\|	ummm crimsun: now it's installing ubuntu to the 2 gig / partition	08:39
BlacKnight\|	it hasn't asked me anything about a /home partition, etc	08:40
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topyli	GoldeNArX: the ntfs support might be slow. disks are slow anyway	08:40
GoldeNArX	topyli/crimmy: is there a version of winamp for linux?	08:40
topyli	GoldeNArX: heavens, no! :)	08:40
\|QuaD-	GoldeNArX: xmms is pretty similar	08:40
BlacKnight\|	xmms is better	08:40
GoldeNArX	xmms.. url?	08:41
BlacKnight\|	they need to release a gtk2 version of it though	08:41
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: isn't xmms just a copy of winamp	08:41
\|QuaD-	GoldeNArX: google	08:41
BlacKnight\|	www.xmms.org	08:41
thoreauputic	GoldeNArX: notice the first 3 letters of "Winamp" ;)	08:41
topyli	BlacKnight\|: i hear beep is just that	08:41
BlacKnight\|	pardon?	08:41
topyli	beep media player	08:41
BlacKnight\|	oh awesome, i've never heard of that	08:42
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: it's not really an issue if /home is created on the 2 gig / (hda5)	08:42
BlacKnight\|	can i go back and fix that later?	08:42
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: remember that you can always mount /dev/hda8 as /home in /etc/fstab	08:42
BlacKnight\|	ah ok	08:42
BlacKnight\|	and what if i want /usr on hda7	08:42
BlacKnight\|	?	08:42
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BlacKnight\|	should i have done that back then?	08:43
Danko123456	Anyhow, I heard that lets say, a solaris compiler for java can be installed on my ubuntu system, does it then mean that when I compile with that, the executable will run on my comp?	08:43
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: yes, generally separate them in the installer; I haven't tried that in the installer, however.	08:43
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BlacKnight\|	what i want to know is why parted was touching my hda8	08:43
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: there is also a way of doing it after things are set up	08:43
BlacKnight\|	excellent	08:43
BlacKnight\|	how?	08:43
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: did you tell it to set up Ubuntu on hda8 ?	08:44
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BlacKnight\|	no, i told it to use the exisiting data and mount it at /home	08:44
topyli	Danko123456: you need the compiler to be for your architecture. but the resulting binaries should run anywhere	08:44
BlacKnight\|	i hope it hasnt buggered up my /home partition	08:44
topyli	Danko123456: i mean your OS, not arch	08:44
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: hmm, normally installers look guidance where to install /	08:45
Danko123456	Really?	08:45
Danko123456	hmmmm.	08:45
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topyli	Danko123456: not that i know much about java	08:45
[BTM] gee	crimsun heh tnx for all the help m8, very nice of you	08:45
crimsun	np	08:45
crimsun	works?	08:45
[BTM] gee	but it didnt work...its my friends fault just because he did a new kernel	08:45
crimsun	Danko123456: javac	08:45
[BTM] gee	hate him for it	08:46
Danko123456	Well if I wrote in "gcj CompanyPayroll.java" and it said "bash: gcj: command not found" that means I do not have the gcj program installed?	08:46
crimsun	Danko123456: that's correct	08:46
[BTM] gee	ill let him do all the work with this problem, his fault from the beginning	08:46
Danko123456	k	08:46
\|QuaD-	Danko123456: correct	08:46
[BTM] gee	:)	08:46
[BTM] gee	tnx for you time	08:46
Danko123456	But you are saying that there is a javac installed?	08:46
\|QuaD-	Danko123456: do you care about the differences between closed and open source?	08:46
GoldeNArX	35 gigs left to copy	08:46
GoldeNArX	ugh	08:46
Danko123456	Why?	08:46
BlacKnight\|	crimsun: will the 2 gig on hda5 be enough for the entire ubuntu install?	08:46
\|QuaD-	do you?	08:46
BlacKnight\|	and what's the best way to move /usr to hda7?	08:46
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: yep	08:46
Danko123456	I do not understand your q.	08:47
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\|QuaD-	do you prefer open source software to closed source?	08:47
Danko123456	well	08:47
Danko123456	what a q	08:47
\|QuaD-	i have a reason for asking	08:47
Danko123456	I really could not tell you.	08:47
RuffianSoldier	\|QuaD	08:47
RuffianSoldier	\|Quad	08:47
topyli	Danko123456: i guess \|QuaD- is asking because sun's compiler might be better than the gnu one	08:47
Danko123456	Cause I do not know the exact definitions	08:47
\|QuaD-	Danko123456: i would reccomend sun's java rather then gcj	08:47
Danko123456	but from what I understand	08:47
\|QuaD-	topyli: yeah	08:47
\|QuaD-	RuffianSoldier: :)	08:48
Danko123456	I prefer open	08:48
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: you make a new filesystem on /dev/hda7, create a new mountpoint (say, /mnt/newusr), mount /dev/hda7 /mnt/newusr, cp -a /usr/* /mnt/newusr/.	08:48
Danko123456	definitely	08:48
Danko123456	I mean	08:48
\|QuaD-	Danko123456: ok, then stick with gcj	08:48
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: then you add/modify the entry in /etc/fstab to point to your new /usr partition	08:48
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: when you reboot, it uses that.	08:48
BlacKnight\|	ok thanks	08:48
Danko123456	I do not get it.	08:48
Danko123456	Where can I read a good explanation	08:49
Danko123456	of the principles?	08:49
crimsun	Danko123456: an explanation of what?	08:49
BlacKnight\|	and as for /home, is there anything ubuntu puts in ~ that i'll need, or can i scrap the ubuntu /home and just replace it with my hda8 one?	08:49
\|QuaD-	Danko123456: principles of what?	08:49
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: you can use your old hda8 /home	08:49
Danko123456	of what it means to be open source code exactly	08:49
BlacKnight\|	fantastic	08:49
BlacKnight\|	now let's hope it still exists!	08:49
\|QuaD-	Danko123456: source is published	08:50
topyli	Danko123456: opensource.org has the definition	08:50
Danko123456	hoping	08:50
Danko123456	haha	08:50
BlacKnight\|	can i just use fdisk to do the partitioning of hda7?	08:50
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Danko123456	thank you	08:50
crimsun	Danko123456: http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php	08:50
Danko123456	Thank you.	08:50
\|QuaD-	wow... when i get xorg back up, i will have to check that out	08:50
\|QuaD-	nevernew about it	08:50
\|QuaD-	heh	08:50
BlacKnight\|	oh, no i have to use mkext3fs right?	08:50
\|QuaD-	i don't believe in reading my opinions though, i like formulating my own	08:50
BlacKnight\|	what's the current version of kde that are in the ubuntu sources?	08:51
BlacKnight\|	for warty	08:51
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: none	08:51
BlacKnight\|	hrmmm	08:51
topyli	\|QuaD-: well, Open Source is a trademark, not an opinion these days :)	08:51
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: 3.2	08:51
BlacKnight\|	i thought there were kde packages...	08:51
\|QuaD-	KDE IS NOT SUPPORTED !	08:51
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crimsun	4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2 0	08:51
crimsun	500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages	08:51
\|QuaD-	you can install it	08:51
\|QuaD-	but its not supported	08:52
crimsun	Danko123456: 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2 0	08:52
crimsun	500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages	08:52
BlacKnight\|	crimsun: does quad know what he's talking about?	08:52
crimsun	arg	08:52
crimsun	sorry about the paste	08:52
crimsun	Danko123456: http://www.debian.org/intro/free	08:52
BlacKnight\|	\|QuaD-: that's why i asked which ones are in the sources	08:52
BlacKnight\|	can i install the deb packages for kde 3.3.2?	08:52
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: i know what i am talking about	08:52
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: are you on Warty?	08:52
thoreauputic	BlacKnight\|: sort of - you can get KDE but it isn't supported	08:52
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: Warty has KDE packages in 'universe'	08:53
BlacKnight\|	crimsun: yeah i have warty	08:53
topyli	BlacKnight\|: yes, you can install kde from universe. some people have reported it also works fine	08:53
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BlacKnight\|	and the one in universe is 3.2?	08:53
crimsun	(it does work fine)	08:53
crimsun	(yes)	08:53
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: it can break your system	08:53
topyli	\|QuaD-: come on, you just don't like kde	08:54
BlacKnight\|	how about if i want kde 3.3.1/2?	08:54
\|QuaD-	topyli: i LOVE kde	08:54
Danko123456	What language is mozilla firefox written in?	08:54
\|QuaD-	i would much rather have that on here	08:54
crimsun	Danko123456: C/C++	08:54
GoldeNArX	what the hell is kde?	08:54
crimsun	GoldeNArX: www.kde.org	08:54
topyli	hehe	08:54
GoldeNArX	its a gui?	08:54
\|QuaD-	GoldeNArX: like gnome, but different	08:54
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: you have to wait a little bit	08:54
crimsun	GoldeNArX: GNOME and KDE are both desktop environments	08:54
BlacKnight\|	i'm quite fond of kde... i'd go without if i didn't use kmail, kopete, kpilot and korganizer	08:54
thoreauputic	GoldeNArX: a desktop environment GUI	08:54
thoreauputic	GoldeNArX: for other window managers look at xwinman.org	08:55
topyli	BlacKnight\|: if you use many kde apps, you might as well get the whole thing	08:55
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: until a few months ago (when ubuntu came out) i thought the same	08:55
\|QuaD-	thoreauputic: you are not a devel, right?	08:55
BlacKnight\|	topyli: yeah i was planning on doing just that	08:55
BlacKnight\|	but i don't like the idea of using 3.2.1	08:55
crimsun	I use lots of different apps	08:56
thoreauputic	\|QuaD-: no, I'm just interested	08:56
Ribs	Anyone use Cedega on Ubuntu?	08:56
crimsun	Ribs: it works fine	08:56
\|QuaD-	thoreauputic: OK, i jsut had a uestion for one	08:56
Ribs	crimsun: Not the experience I'm having :(	08:56
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GoldeNArX	gnome is the most common? I think i'm in gnome now	08:56
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: install from source	08:56
\|QuaD-	GoldeNArX: i think kde is more popular	08:56
Ribs	crimsun: Did you do anything special to get it working?	08:56
crimsun	Ribs: I'm using an older version: 4.0.1-1	08:56
Danko123456	What level of knowledge do you think I need to have in order to modify the source code for Mozilla firefox so that I have a different context menu pop up when I click on a link on a web page?	08:56
topyli	GoldeNArX: gnome is the default on ubuntu. kde is probably more common elsewhere though	08:57
Ribs	crimsun: yeah, tried that	08:57
\|QuaD-	Danko123456: do you know how to code?	08:57
Ribs	tried all the cedega's, and some WineX releases	08:57
Ribs	no games install at all	08:57
GoldeNArX	anything pertic better on kde?	08:57
\|QuaD-	GoldeNArX: preference	08:57
topyli	GoldeNArX: no. they're just different	08:57
Danko123456	I learned a bit of C++ and C and I have basic knowledge of GUI coding in VB.net	08:57
GoldeNArX	oki..	08:57
BlacKnight\|	how long will the 2nd phase of this ubuntu install take?	08:57
\|QuaD-	i am fond of kde's inttegration of apps	08:57
RuffianSoldier	HHmm - my new computer used to be quiter then this like 4 hours ago	08:57
\|QuaD-	Danko123456: you will probably have problems though	08:58
crimsun	KDE has great integration	08:58
Danko123456	haha	08:58
crimsun	opening networked files, for instance, is a cinch	08:58
\|QuaD-	Danko123456: i gave an honest answer	08:58
crimsun	(with any KDE app)	08:58
Tsjoklat	I find kde unworkable on ubu	08:58
\|QuaD-	crimsun: yeah... kpim is hard to leave	08:58
Danko123456	I have a specific sense of humor	08:58
crimsun	well, gnome just works so well on ubuntu... :)	08:58
\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: i found that tooo	08:58
Danko123456	No offense intended	08:58
\|QuaD-	Danko123456: ok good :)	08:59
Danko123456	or disrespect	08:59
Danko123456	:)	08:59
\|QuaD-	i miss kde :(	08:59
\|QuaD-	whats mepis use?	08:59
Tsjoklat	\|Quad KDE	08:59
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BlacKnight\|	\|QuaD-: you were just telling me that kde is evil....	08:59
thoreauputic	Danko123456: before you reinvent the whell, check the available extensions for Firefox ;)	08:59
Tsjoklat	hey pitti! :)	08:59
BlacKnight\|	and now you're saying you miss it?	08:59
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Danko123456	k so why do you think it would be hard, or do you think with the knowledge I specified it would need lots of learning on my part?	08:59
thoreauputic	s/wheel	08:59
\|QuaD-	hmm, because i need to reinstall ubuntu anyways.... maybe i will try that for a while (hoary is too broken)	09:00
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: i love kde	09:00
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: just didn't work so hot with ubuntu	09:00
BlacKnight\|	ok anyway, crim/topy can deb packages of any programs be used in ubuntu?	09:00
crimsun	Hoary is marked Development :)	09:00
Danko123456	All right thore!	09:00
BlacKnight\|	seeing as how they both use apt-get?	09:00
topyli	\|QuaD-: i used to use kde 1.2 a while back. i don't have much experience after that :)	09:00
Tsjoklat	\|Quad if you insist on kde I would go with mepiss	09:00
\|QuaD-	crimsun: i know i am a moron	09:00
Tsjoklat	mepis I mean	09:00
\|QuaD-	crimsun: i was waiting for this	09:00
Danko123456	now Im getting somewhere	09:00
Danko123456	Where do you find those?	09:00
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: it's difficult to say "any", because some packages will break, and you get to keep all the pieces	09:00
\|QuaD-	topyli: you should try it out	09:01
BlacKnight\|	that doesn't sound like much fun	09:01
\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: heh, i am getting used to gentoo lately	09:01
\|QuaD-	grr ubuntu	09:01
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crimsun	BlacKnight\|: but generally speaking, if a Debian package has an equivalent in Ubuntu's universe or multiverse, you should use Ubuntu's instead	09:01
pitti	Tsjoklat: Hi! Greetings	09:01
BlacKnight\|	but say i want kde 3.3	09:01
BlacKnight\|	3.3.2 to be prethithe	09:01
topyli	pitti: my hero and champion! :D	09:02
Tsjoklat	pitti are you in Spain too?	09:02
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: does hoary use 3.3?	09:02
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: 3.3.2 isn't even in sid yet	09:02
Danko123456	d	09:02
BlacKnight\|	oh right, we 3.3.1	09:02
BlacKnight\|	well rahter	09:02
pitti	Tsjoklat: sure, greetings from Matar! :-)	09:02
crimsun	no, hoary only has 3.2.2 in universe	09:02
thoreauputic	Danko123456: https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/?application={ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}	09:02
Danko123456	Thank you.	09:02
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: you can probably just use the debian repos	09:02
Tsjoklat	pitti nice! :)	09:03
BlacKnight\|	or source, eh quad	09:03
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: coudl do that too	09:03
\|QuaD-	thats a pain to install from source thoguh	09:03
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crimsun	BlacKnight\|: it's certainly doable to use Debian packages, but you have to be very careful; like I said, when stuff breaks, you get to keep all the pieces	09:03
\|QuaD-	crimsun: which is why i reccomend against kde	09:03
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: if you plan to mix sources, make sure you study apt-pinning (man 5 apt_preferences), and pin to a ubuntu flavor	09:04
Tsjoklat	\|QuaD if you run gentoo.. surely gnome shouldn't be too hard?	09:04
BlacKnight\|	ok	09:04
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\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: its not hard... i used gentoo on a different box for a while	09:04
\|QuaD-	always loved debian thouth	09:04
\|QuaD-	*though	09:04
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: I have a fair amt of experience with it (I pin to sid+experimental and pull in hoary at a lower priority)	09:04
\|QuaD-	which is why i am here	09:04
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\|QuaD-	crimsun: whats experimental?	09:05
Tsjoklat	\|QuaD bite the sour apple	09:05
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crimsun	\|QuaD-: the ultra bleeding-edge	09:05
BlacKnight\|	and how do things usually work out?	09:05
\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: :)	09:05
\|QuaD-	crimsun: how do you get on that	09:05
\|QuaD-	lol	09:05
crimsun	hello Ubuntu conference attendees!	09:05
\|QuaD-	crimsun: is that deb or ub	09:05
crimsun	lots of *@213.151.107.243, heh.	09:05
Tsjoklat	Spain invasion	09:06
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: just fine.	09:06
crimsun	\|QuaD-: deb.	09:06
BlacKnight\|	what have you installed from sid+experi?	09:06
\|QuaD-	crimsun: ahh	09:06
\|QuaD-	crimsun: why do you use ubuntu then (out ofcuriosity, not cockyness or arogance)?	09:06
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: my entire system was sid as a base. At some point in the past year, I began adding experimental packages. When the Warty snapshot was released, I began converting all the Glib, Gtk, and GNOME-related packages to Ubuntu's	09:07
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: I use pure Ubuntu at work. My home machine is the mutt we're discussing.	09:07
crimsun	err, that was to \|QuaD-	09:07
BlacKnight\|	what's more fun, the mutt or work?	09:07
\|QuaD-	crimsun: ahhhh	09:07
BlacKnight\|	so i can upgrade to the development hoary right now?	09:08
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: I wouldn't recommend it unless you live for flux.	09:08
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: if you want a working system i wouldn't	09:08
BlacKnight\|	http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/apt_preferences.5.html	09:08
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: because stuff is expected to fluctuate rather rapidly	09:08
BlacKnight\|	will that man page do?	09:08
Tsjoklat	BlacKnight if you are brave and courageous	09:08
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BlacKnight\|	rightio	09:08
crimsun	and honestly, I like challenges, so the mutt's more "fun"	09:09
crimsun	Warty's kinda boring. Everything works too well. ;)	09:09
BlacKnight\|	yeah	09:09
BlacKnight\|	hahaha	09:09
BlacKnight\|	nothing in mandrake works "well"	09:09
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\|QuaD-	i don't think they fixed the kde/gnome panel	09:09
Tsjoklat	crimsun the whole idea of having a machine that works :P	09:09
\|QuaD-	yet	09:09
\|QuaD-	have they?	09:09
crimsun	Tsjoklat: precisely	09:09
BlacKnight\|	ok now what if i want to install firefox v1.0 ?	09:09
Tsjoklat	crimsun I run hoary on a dif machine.. and one with kde and hating it lol	09:10
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: mandrake is a different type of distro	09:10
crimsun	Tsjoklat: I can imagine it'd be a beast to maintain	09:10
BlacKnight\|	how so quad?	09:10
\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: ubuntu+kde	09:10
\|QuaD-	?	09:10
\|QuaD-	that is made for less maintenance, less bleeding edge, everything just there for you	09:10
Tsjoklat	\|QuaD yeah.... disaster...	09:10
\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: hehe	09:10
\|QuaD-	yeah	09:10
BlacKnight\|	i wish this install would finish so i can see whether my /home partition actually exists!	09:10
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: if you just want mozilla-firefox from hoary, that's doable	09:11
BlacKnight\|	\|QuaD-: no it's not.... nothing works, nothing's there	09:11
Tsjoklat	\|QuaD it is not my main machine.. was trying things out for a friend that insist on KDE but Lord	09:11
BlacKnight\|	mdk is all over the place	09:11
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: i used it 3 years ago, great learning experience	09:11
BlacKnight\|	crimsun: so how would i go about doing that?	09:11
\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: :)	09:11
BlacKnight\|	\|QuaD-: it's changed much in 3 years	09:11
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: basically you can either grab the deb manually from the Hoary pool, or you can configure apt-pinning and sources.list	09:11
BlacKnight\|	ah yes	09:11
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: ohhh	09:11
BlacKnight\|	i'm reaiding up on that now	09:11
Tsjoklat	\|QuaD the biggest thing that pisses me off is synaptic with KDE	09:11
topyli	BlacKnight\|: if you want firefox 1.0, get the source from hoary and build a warty package on your box	09:12
\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: i don't use synaptic	09:12
\|QuaD-	i use apt-get	09:12
\|QuaD-	but whats it do	09:12
BlacKnight\|	Tsjoklat: why, what's wrong with it?	09:12
BlacKnight\|	topyli: sounds like fun.. how about using the binary installer mozilla provides?	09:12
Tsjoklat	BlacKnight it keep complaining about libgtk libglade missing etc... you can't have kde without gnome so it seems	09:12
BlacKnight\|	that would make upgradage a pain, right?	09:12
Ribs	is there a way of upgradeing the alsa sound modules in the kernel without a kernel upgrade?	09:12
Tsjoklat	and I don't use synaptic.. but she does	09:12
BlacKnight\|	oh yeah	09:12
BlacKnight\|	i have both kde and gnome on mdk syustemss	09:12
BlacKnight\|	i would install the libs for both on any system	09:13
Tsjoklat	but that defeats the whole purpose of having a GNOME box or a KDE box	09:13
\|QuaD-	i don't think i have kde's libs	09:13
Tsjoklat	in my opinion	09:13
\|QuaD-	i don't think i have any programs that require them	09:13
Tsjoklat	k3b does	09:14
Tsjoklat	amarok does	09:14
topyli	BlacKnight\|: the mozilla installer would work, but your build will have debian integration (/etc/alternatives, plugin dirs) and a gnome-support package :)	09:14
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crimsun	I love Amarok	09:14
BlacKnight\|	topyli: rad	09:14
\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: i havne't burned any cds	09:14
crimsun	(just discovered it yesterday via an osnews.com article)	09:14
BlacKnight\|	so crimsun...	09:14
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\|QuaD-	crimsun: i read that	09:15
\|QuaD-	lol	09:15
BlacKnight\|	i woudl want ot make an apt_prefs file that looks like this:	09:15
\|QuaD-	haven't put it on yet	09:15
crimsun	Ribs: certainly	09:15
\|QuaD-	hoary has a messed up gnome now	09:15
Strider	i just ordered some ubuntu cd's	09:15
Strider	do you really think they are gonna send me 5000 cd's?	09:15
\|QuaD-	strider :) i have some on order too	09:15
BlacKnight\|	oh wait i havent figured it out that far yet :P	09:15
\|QuaD-	Strider: probabl not	09:15
Strider	lol, jk	09:15
Strider	i only ordered 10	09:15
\|QuaD-	hehe	09:15
crimsun	they're sending you 10	09:16
\|QuaD-	i ordered 50 x86, 5 ppc, and 20 amd64	09:16
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Tsjoklat	I only miss amarok	09:16
Strider	cool	09:16
Tsjoklat	but then I just build that from cvs	09:16
CardinalSin	i ordered 10 about 6 weeks ago, haven't heard from them yet.	09:16
BlacKnight\|	oh, do you knwo how well ati radeons work in ubuntu?	09:16
Tsjoklat	I have it working	09:16
BlacKnight\|	should i install the proprietary ati drivers?	09:17
Tsjoklat	3D and all	09:17
Tsjoklat	no	09:17
BlacKnight\|	rad	09:17
Tsjoklat	I didn't	09:17
crimsun	Ribs: is there a version you'd like to get?	09:17
BlacKnight\|	which card do you have though?	09:17
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: is there a howto like for nvidia on the ubuntu site?	09:17
Tsjoklat	worked right out of the box	09:17
BlacKnight\|	i have a radeon 9600 pro	09:17
GoldeNArX	well fellas.. this linux session is done for the day. i'm gonna place this hd in my main box and work with pqmagic shortly	09:17
Tsjoklat	me too	09:17
Tsjoklat	same one	09:17
BlacKnight\|	haven't checked, will do it now	09:17
GoldeNArX	thanx for your help all.. it was very appreciated	09:17
\|QuaD-	GoldeNArX: have fun	09:17
GoldeNArX	i'll be back tommorow	09:17
GoldeNArX	hehe	09:17
GoldeNArX	:)	09:17
\|QuaD-	] :)	09:17
topyli	GoldeNArX: good luck!	09:17
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Tsjoklat	BlacKnight I got the same card as you	09:17
GoldeNArX	thanx bro..	09:17
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\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: do you know of any way to see currently what the developers have done for the day (like a logbook)	09:18
\|QuaD-	or toplyi if you can answer that	09:18
BlacKnight\|	rad tsjokolat	09:18
Tsjoklat	wike page I would presume?	09:18
BlacKnight\|	so what drivers does ubuntu use?	09:18
\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: does what i want exist?	09:19
Agrajag	DOS drivers, of course.	09:19
Tsjoklat	\|QuaD hamana?	09:19
Ribs	crimsun: Yes. 1.0.5	09:19
\|QuaD-	hamana?	09:19
Ribs	crimsun: or above... That version supports my soundcard... just :)	09:19
Ribs	Silent computing isn't how I like to work	09:19
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Ribs	crimsun: Sorry for the late reply, I wasn't paying attention ;)	09:20
crimsun	Ribs: warty at least has 1.0.6a	09:20
crimsun	Ribs: and hoary has 1.0.7	09:20
Ribs	crimsun: I remember looking this up... The drivers themseleves are only 1.0.5	09:20
crimsun	Ribs: they're in 'universe'	09:20
Ribs	the tools etc. are 1.0.6	09:20
crimsun	Ribs: assuming you have universe in your list, apt-cache policy alsa-source	09:21
BlacKnight\|	\|QuaD-: there's nothing about ati on ubuntuguide.org	09:21
BlacKnight\|	agra!	09:21
BlacKnight\|	i shoulnd't have listened to you to install ubuntu	09:21
BlacKnight\|	:P	09:21
BlacKnight\|	it's going to waste my entire night	09:21
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: i don't knwo if there is	09:21
crimsun	bah, not a waste :P	09:22
Tsjoklat	installing ubu takes twenty mins top	09:22
BlacKnight\|	oh, i arrived safely by the way.. thanks so much for letting me stay	09:22
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: i didn't say anyhting about to or not to install it	09:22
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\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: lol	09:22
Ribs	crimsun: I didn't notice that package. Thanks	09:22
Ribs	crimsun: So how do I get those compiled now?	09:22
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: i don't think ubuntu is the distro for you	09:22
\|QuaD-	you want kde and UBER bleeding edge	09:22
BlacKnight\|	\|QuaD-: why?	09:22
Strider	where can i find a full list of the stuff that is installed with ubuntu?	09:23
BlacKnight\|	hahah yeah, but i'll figure out a way around that	09:23
\|QuaD-	both of those are not what ubuntu is aobut	09:23
BlacKnight\|	phil: what version of firefox are you using?	09:23
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: you can get around it, but why not try a different distro thats suits you better	09:23
BlacKnight\|	well it'll be easier for bleeiding edge on ubuntu than it is on mdk	09:23
BlacKnight\|	like?	09:23
crimsun	Ribs: install alsa-source	09:23
BlacKnight\|	deb?	09:23
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\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: true	09:23
BlacKnight\|	this is pretty much deb?	09:23
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: you can get away with mepis (kde)	09:23
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\|QuaD-	debian experimental (just learned about this)	09:24
crimsun	Ribs: you might need to run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source'; it should do that when you install it, though	09:24
\|QuaD-	or do somthing like slack	09:24
BlacKnight\|	ah well, i'll try ubuntu and see what happens	09:24
BlacKnight\|	i'm only trying it because agrajag recommended it	09:24
crimsun	Ribs: then read /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian	09:24
Strider	Does anyone know where i can find a list of the things that are installed with ubuntu?	09:24
crimsun	Strider: dpkg -l\|more	09:24
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: i reccomend it to....but it doesn't sound like it suits you	09:24
Strider	dpkg -1\|more???	09:25
Strider	what does that mean	09:25
crimsun	it's an "el" not a "one"	09:25
Tsjoklat	Strider it means it will tell you what is installed on your box	09:25
\|QuaD-	Strider: type that	09:25
Strider	i dont have ubuntu yet	09:25
\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: i have kde libs on my comp	09:25
\|QuaD-	not sure how to check what uses them	09:25
\|QuaD-	then remove them :(	09:26
crimsun	Strider: like Tsjoklat said, it tells you which packages are installed on your system	09:26
Strider	but on the site it says it comes with 100s of pre-installed programs	09:26
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\|QuaD-	Strider: it does	09:26
BlacKnight\|	http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/apt_preferences.5.htmlumm what	09:26
BlacKnight\|	oops	09:26
BlacKnight\|	what's the defauult root password?	09:26
topyli	\|QuaD-: try to remove them and see what else would go	09:26
crimsun	there is none, BlacKnight\|.	09:26
crimsun	we use sudo by default.	09:26
\|QuaD-	topyli: good idea	09:26
Strider	dw, found it - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/applications	09:26
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BlacKnight\|	umm so how do i login as root?	09:26
\|QuaD-	topyli: apt-get remove or aptitude remove	09:27
\|QuaD-	probably aptitude right/	09:27
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: sudo -s, but generally the aim is to move away from using the root account	09:27
BlacKnight\|	oh ok	09:27
BlacKnight\|	rad	09:27
topyli	\|QuaD-: whichever you like :)	09:27
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\|QuaD-	topyli: funniest list	09:28
topyli	funny how?	09:28
\|QuaD-	care to look?	09:28
topyli	yeah, paste it in #flood	09:29
\|QuaD-	topyli: www.slovin.us/remove.txt	09:29
\|QuaD-	thats when itried to remove kdelibs4	09:29
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topyli	\|QuaD-: 404	09:30
BlacKnight\|	how the hell do i use vi as root?	09:30
topyli	BlacKnight\|: sudo vi	09:30
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\|QuaD-	topyli: you sure?	09:30
topyli	\|QuaD-: yep.	09:31
BlacKnight\|	that doesnt work	09:31
\|QuaD-	weird... i just tried it	09:31
\|QuaD-	works fine	09:31
Tsjoklat	http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/Release <-- all the packages in warty	09:31
BlacKnight\|	why doesn't it work for me?	09:31
topyli	\|QuaD-: http://www.slovin.us/remove.txt is 404	09:31
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: what?	09:31
Tsjoklat	Strider	09:31
BlacKnight\|	iwhat should i be typing in as the root passwrod?!	09:31
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: sudo vi <-- should work.	09:31
\|QuaD-	topyli: hmmm	09:31
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: type _your_ password	09:31
\|QuaD-	that should work	09:31
BlacKnight\|	ooooh!!	09:31
BlacKnight\|	hahahah	09:31
\|QuaD-	crimsun: can you try that page out for me?	09:31
\|QuaD-	does it work	09:32
crimsun	\|QuaD-: which?	09:32
topyli	\|QuaD-: just paste it in #flood	09:32
\|QuaD-	toplyi posted it	09:32
BlacKnight\|	can i just sudo mv /home /home_old	09:32
BlacKnight\|	?	09:32
\|QuaD-	topyli: i am in irssi	09:32
\|QuaD-	can't	09:32
BlacKnight\|	and hten sudo mount /dev/hda8 /home	09:32
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: yes	09:32
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: but make sure nothing on /home is open first	09:32
BlacKnight\|	should i kill gdm?	09:32
BlacKnight\|	tell me, is sshd installed by default?	09:32
crimsun	gdm shouldn't touch /home	09:33
topyli	\|QuaD-: oh you're on a console?	09:33
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: openssh-server.	09:33
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: no, openssh-server is not installed by default	09:33
\|QuaD-	yea	09:33
crimsun	\|QuaD-: that url works fine for me	09:33
\|QuaD-	topyli: damn Hoary	09:33
\|QuaD-	crimsun: ok good its his end not mine :)	09:33
topyli	crimsun: weird	09:33
BlacKnight\|	ok ta	09:33
Ribs	crimsun: Slight problem now :)	09:34
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\|QuaD-	topyli: i actually know the problem	09:34
\|QuaD-	or can guess it	09:34
Ribs	I've got to here: fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3	09:34
\|QuaD-	i just changed dns servers	09:34
topyli	\|QuaD-: you're being censored by the Finnish Gestapo :)	09:34
\|QuaD-	last night	09:34
Ribs	it errors on: configure: error: You have built-in ALSA in your kernel.	09:34
\|QuaD-	like 36 hours ago	09:34
crimsun	Ribs: I presume you rebuilt your kernel w/ ALSA support as "y" instead of "m"?	09:35
topyli	\|QuaD-: yeah, it might not be complete yet	09:35
Ribs	crimsun: no	09:35
Ribs	oh wait... it seems if I specify -k7 at the end, it works	09:35
Ribs	hrm, odd	09:35
crimsun	Ribs: that's not at all odd :)	09:35
Ribs	Well, I had one with, and one without the -k7 at the end	09:36
Ribs	in /usr/src	09:36
crimsun	Ribs: I use: fakeroot ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`	09:36
Ribs	so I just guessed ;)	09:36
Ribs	crimsun: Well, that's just showing off, isn't it? :P	09:36
crimsun	Ribs: that way it always compiles against headers for the running kernel	09:36
\|QuaD-	topyli: try this hold on	09:36
crimsun	Ribs: no, it's not showing off. It's gleaned from years of experience	09:36
\|QuaD-	dslovin.no-ip.com/remove.txt	09:36
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BlacKnight\|	w00t	09:36
Ribs	heh heh	09:37
BlacKnight\|	hello from the new b0xen	09:37
Ribs	crimsun: Thanks for the help	09:37
crimsun	np	09:37
topyli	\|QuaD-: nope	09:37
BlacKnight\|	yaaaay!	09:37
Ribs	oh jesus, I have a lot of sound modules loaded	09:37
BlacKnight\|	my /dev/hda8 exists!	09:37
BlacKnight\|	oh thank god	09:37
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BlacKnight\|	crimsun, quad, topyli thanks so much for your help	09:38
\|QuaD-	topyli: i give up	09:38
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: no prob	09:38
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: kde or gnome?	09:38
BlacKnight\|	\|QuaD-: i'm sorry for being a dick, i've been pretty stressed out	09:38
BlacKnight\|	nothing yet quad	09:38
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: glad to help... don't worry bout it	09:38
BlacKnight\|	i'll configure everything else first :)	09:38
topyli	\|QuaD-: well, it's not the most important thing :)	09:38
BlacKnight\|	you guys are all dudes	09:38
\|QuaD-	i just reccomend AGANST kde	09:38
\|QuaD-	even though i love it	09:38
BlacKnight\|	haha i'll try it anyway	09:38
BlacKnight\|	i'm addicted to it	09:38
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BlacKnight\|	if it stuffs up, meh	09:38
BlacKnight\|	i can just reinstall ubuntu	09:38
\|QuaD-	BlacKnight\|: yeah... those first 2 weeks without it were a killer	09:39
BlacKnight\|	ok so do i just neeed to mkext3fs /dev/hda7?	09:39
pisuke	Is it possible to debootstrap ubuntu?	09:39
\|QuaD-	alright boys... i am out of here	09:40
\|QuaD-	bed time	09:40
\|QuaD-	gotta be up in2 hours for a presentation	09:40
\|QuaD-	night	09:40
BlacKnight\|	hrmm if i look at the partition table of /dev/hda7, fdisk tells me there isn't one	09:40
crimsun	that's because there shouldn't be	09:41
crimsun	there should only be one for /dev/hda	09:41
BlacKnight\|	oh right	09:41
BlacKnight\|	ok	09:41
Tsjoklat	\|QuaD night even though I am not a guy	09:42
BlacKnight\|	hhahaha	09:42
BlacKnight\|	a female linux user o_O?	09:42
BlacKnight\|	shock horror	09:42
\|QuaD-	Tsjoklat: there is always like 1 girl in the linux chats that bite me in the a$$	09:42
\|QuaD-	lol	09:42
Tsjoklat	\|QuaD must have been my lucky day than :P	09:43
\|QuaD-	hahah yup	09:43
\|QuaD-	night	09:43
BlacKnight\|	ok so mke2fs -j /dev/hda7 ?	09:43
Tsjoklat	happy sleepers	09:43
Agrajag	mke2fs -j more like mkfs.reiserfs	09:43
Tsjoklat	don't be shocked BlacKnight..	09:44
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crimsun	BlacKnight\|: for an ext3 partition, yep	09:45
BlacKnight\|	you reckon use reiser?	09:45
crimsun	up to you, really.	09:45
BlacKnight\|	hrmm brb going to restart bitchx	09:46
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Ribs	shit	09:47
Ribs	it didn't work :/	09:47
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crimsun	Ribs: where did it fail?	09:49
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Ribs	crimsun: It's still not finding my sound card	09:51
Ribs	so either the drivers I install are too old, or didn't install at all	09:52
Ribs	Looks like I'll have to goto kernel 2.6.9, which I wanted to avoid doing	09:52
BlacKnight\|	hrmmm i have a bit of a problem.. all the files on /dev/hda8 are owned by 501 (my user number on my old mandrake setup)	09:52
Tsjoklat	Ribs just patch it with 10-rc3	09:52
BlacKnight\|	should i just chown ajay:ajay * -R	09:52
BlacKnight\|	of course, what a silly question	09:52
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: all?	09:53
BlacKnight\|	well most of htem	09:53
Ribs	Tsjoklat: I wanted to avoid installing my own kernel completely	09:53
BlacKnight\|	i'm sure there are a few that aren't	09:53
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: probably not; wouldn't you just want recursively /home/$USER ?	09:53
BlacKnight\|	but they can go to hell	09:53
Ribs	purely 'cos it's a pain in the ass	09:53
BlacKnight\|	well /home/ajay is more or less the only directory on there	09:53
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Tsjoklat	Ribs that's the beauty of debian.. they are kick arse when it comes to custom kernels	09:53
BlacKnight\|	so for all intents and purposes /home or hda8 all refer to /home/ajay	09:53
Ribs	Tsjoklat: I'll have to install my own kernel if anything	09:54
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crimsun	/home should probably still remain 755 root:root	09:54
Ribs	warty only goes up to 2.6.8.1	09:54
Tsjoklat	Ribs you make a deb package out of kernels.. easy to install with dpkg	09:54
BlacKnight\|	but all the files therein can belong to me :)	09:54
Ribs	Tsjoklat: yeah, I know... I just don't like doing it	09:54
crimsun	Ribs: which sound chipset did you tell debconf to build?	09:54
BlacKnight\|	hrmm it takes a while to chown eveyrhitn	09:54
Tsjoklat	Ribs I never run a chewed up already made fast food kernel :)	09:54
Ribs	I guess once I get used to it, it'll be okay	09:54
Ribs	crimsun: ice1724	09:54
Tsjoklat	do you need a site for help?	09:54
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Tsjoklat	http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INSTALL-KERNEL-PKG	09:55
BlacKnight\|	another dumb question: what's tempfs?	09:55
Ribs	Tsjoklat: yeah, would be nice. I doubt I can remember the process.	09:55
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: RAM-backed filesystem	09:55
Tsjoklat	don't forget to get bzip2 and module-init-tools.. it doesn't say it on the site but other than that.. it works fab	09:55
Ribs	is 2.6.10 gonna have any goodies in it?	09:55
crimsun	Ribs: snd-ice1724 should work; does it not?	09:55
Ribs	I mean, is it worth hitting the RC for it?	09:55
Tsjoklat	loads	09:55
Ribs	crimsun: yeah, it's loaded	09:56
crimsun	Ribs: are you using the correct mixer? (envy...)	09:56
Tsjoklat	I got my cpu usuage way down	09:56
Ribs	crimsun: but my sound card isn't found	09:56
Ribs	it was only supported in 1.0.5a	09:56
Ribs	iirc	09:56
crimsun	Ribs: so /proc/asound/cards says nothing?	09:56
Ribs	root@zeus:~ # cat /proc/asound/cards	09:56
Ribs	--- no soundcards ---	09:56
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Tsjoklat	Ribs that site should have you up and going in a spiffy	09:56
BlacKnight\|	crimsun: will /dev/hda8 /home defaults 0 0 do for my fstab entry?	09:56
Ribs	I know for a fact 2.6.9 kernel supports it	09:56
Tsjoklat	can't perform a piss up in a brewery with that	09:56
BlacKnight\|	sorry, ext3 between /home and defaults	09:57
Ribs	but I just didn't want to upgrade it ;)	09:57
Tsjoklat	Ribs: be brave :P	09:57
Tsjoklat	well Tsjoklat is melting here so night everybody.. be good!	09:57
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: probably 0 2, but yeah	09:58
crimsun	Ribs: did you ensure you only have the _newest_ alsa kernel modules in your modules tree?	09:58
Ribs	crimsun: I just followed the guide. How do I check for that?	09:59
Kamion	pisuke: sure - you'll need debootstrap from the Ubuntu archive	09:59
BlacKnight\|	ok rad, and same for /usr?	09:59
crimsun	Ribs: just look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/	09:59
crimsun	Ribs: make sure there's only one set of alsa modules	09:59
BlacKnight\|	do i need the errors=remount-ro option?	09:59
crimsun	use `find'	09:59
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: with an ext3 fs, yes, that's a good idea	10:00
BlacKnight\|	for both home and usr?	10:00
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Ribs	root@zeus:/lib/modules # ls	10:00
Ribs	2.6.8.1-3-386 2.6.8.1-3-k7	10:00
Ribs	That's what's in there	10:00
Ribs	and I'm using the -k7 kernel	10:00
pisuke	Kamion, thx. Would someone be allowed to create a distro based on a debootstraped ubuntu and distribute it?	10:01
Ribs	crimsun: I think I'll just upgrade to 2.6.9	10:01
Ribs	It's just easier that way	10:01
crimsun	Ribs: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name 'snd-ice1724.ko'	10:01
Ribs	root@zeus:/lib/modules # find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name 'snd-ice1724.ko'	10:01
Ribs	/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko	10:01
crimsun	Ribs: and that's it, correct?	10:01
Ribs	looks right	10:02
crimsun	Ribs: does the timestamp for it match today?	10:02
Ribs	Access: 2004-12-09 08:44:38.000000000 +0000	10:02
Ribs	Modify: 2004-11-18 14:38:27.000000000 +0000	10:02
Ribs	Change: 2004-12-08 22:59:53.000000000 +0000	10:02
Ribs	only the access date is today	10:02
Ribs	the change date is when I installed it yesterday, I think	10:02
Ribs	(it being ubuntu)	10:03
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crimsun	ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko	10:03
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Ribs	root@zeus:/lib/modules # ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko	10:03
Ribs	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 44234 2004-11-18 14:38 /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko	10:03
Ribs	well, that's obviously not today	10:03
Kamion	pisuke: yes; though we're in the process of making better tools to do that sort of thing available	10:04
Ribs	so obviously there is some sort of cock-up here	10:04
crimsun	Ribs: it built a .deb that you dpkg -i'd, correct?	10:04
Kamion	the modification time on a file in a .deb doesn't correspond to when you installed it	10:04
Kamion	more usually it matches the mtime on that file in the source package, or the time of building	10:04
Ribs	ahhhhhhh	10:05
Ribs	I can't even rtfm	10:05
crimsun	Ribs: and after you dpkg -i'd that deb, you modprobe -r'd the alsa modules and reinserted them, correct?	10:05
Ribs	<-- retarded	10:05
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BlacKnight\|	what exactly is lost+found?	10:06
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bob2	it's for files thet e2fsck finds during checks	10:07
BlacKnight\|	ah ok	10:07
bob2	it'll be empty unless your disk has been corrupted	10:07
Ribs	crimsun: okay, so I've dpkg'd it now	10:07
Ribs	and removed the sound modules	10:07
Ribs	however, that ls -l line you gave me says the same as before	10:07
Ribs	is that a concern?	10:08
BlacKnight\|	hrmm now.. i did sudo cp -a /usr/* /mnt/blah	10:08
crimsun	Ribs: run the find command	10:08
BlacKnight\|	but if i do du -s /mnt/blah, i get a number bigger than du -s /usr	10:08
Ribs	we now have two entries	10:08
Ribs	/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko	10:08
Ribs	/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/alsa/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko	10:08
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Ribs	the second one is up-to-date	10:09
pisuke	Kamion, thx for the info :)	10:09
Ribs	so, here goes nothing	10:09
crimsun	Ribs: wait.	10:09
crimsun	Ribs: you need to mv the older modules out of the way	10:10
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Ribs	oops	10:10
crimsun	Ribs: (e.g., mv /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/sound /somewhereelse	10:10
crimsun	)	10:10
crimsun	Ribs: then cp soundcore.ko back over	10:10
crimsun	Ribs: then `update-modules'	10:11
crimsun	Ribs: then you may reinsert the alsa modules	10:11
Ribs	I think I've pissed off the kernel, heh	10:11
crimsun	just by `mv'ing files? that seems odd.	10:11
Ribs	no, by modprobeing	10:12
Ribs	before moving	10:12
crimsun	oh, perhaps w/ version clashes, yes.	10:12
crimsun	did you get an OOPS?	10:12
Ribs	did cat /proc/asound/cards	10:12
Ribs	all hell broke loose	10:12
Ribs	got 'no soundcards found' thousands of times	10:13
crimsun	well, make sure you modprobe -r all the snd* modules	10:13
crimsun	make sure you mv the old ones of the way	10:13
Ribs	is there an easy way to modprobe -r?	10:13
crimsun	and make sure you copy soundcore.ko back over	10:13
Ribs	other than typing in all the sound modules?	10:13
crimsun	starting from the top of lsmod's output and modprobe -r	10:14
crimsun	just the alsa-related ones, which are prefixed with snd-	10:14
BlacKnight\|	ok i quite like gnome	10:16
crimsun	it's nicely configured.	10:16
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Ribs	crimsun: This just isn't working	10:17
Ribs	I think I'll just upgrade the kernel	10:17
crimsun	Ribs: ok. Whichever you choose.	10:17
Ribs	crimsun: Thanks for your help, and patience, tho.	10:18
crimsun	np	10:18
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Ribs	well, configuring that kernel was about as much fun as chewing on broken glass	10:31
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BlacKnight\|	hrmmmm	10:37
BlacKnight\|	crimsun: in the ubuntuguide.org site they say to add	10:37
BlacKnight\|	deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main	10:37
BlacKnight\|	to sources.list	10:37
BlacKnight\|	as well as testing and unstable	10:37
BlacKnight\|	are they debian sources?	10:38
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: it is an external source for mplayer	10:38
topyli	BlacKnight\|: they're unofficial	10:38
BlacKnight\|	and they say to uncomment these:	10:38
BlacKnight\|	deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted	10:38
BlacKnight\|	deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted	10:38
BlacKnight\|	ah rightio	10:38
BlacKnight\|	oh hehe	10:39
BlacKnight\|	they're already uncommented silly me	10:39
BlacKnight\|	is the mplayer source any good?	10:39
root_	arg	10:39
root_	I just updated to latest 2.6.9	10:39
root_	and forgot that there is no nvidia driver for 2.6.9	10:40
topyli	BlacKnight\|: marillat has mplayer, win32 codecs, acroread, flash plugin, unethical stuff like that	10:40
BlacKnight\|	ooh fantastic	10:40
BlacKnight\|	should i add testing, unstable or stable?	10:41
Ribs	root_: yeah, you have to build it yourself	10:41
BlacKnight\|	which is more bleeding-edge, testing or unstable?	10:41
Ribs	which is rather annoying	10:41
topyli	BlacKnight\|: i used the testing source, it might be closest to what warty is	10:41
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topyli	BlacKnight\|: unstable may have newer stuff, but may also depend on libs from unstable	10:42
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BlacKnight\|	ok i'll go testing...	10:42
BlacKnight\|	oh i might as well try unstable	10:42
topyli	BlacKnight\|: you can try unstable. if it doesn't work, things will just not be installable	10:43
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BlacKnight\|	ok	10:44
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BlacKnight\|	hrmm i wish i could assign windows key + other key to keyboard shortcuts	10:44
BlacKnight\|	it just comes up as super_l	10:44
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altan	Can I check the MD5sum of an entire CD-ROM by going to the directory and just typing "md5sum"?	10:45
altan	it's doing something alright, but I'm not sure it's verifying the contents or anything since it's not even reading	10:45
altan	also, will an MD5sum be different for a CD-ROM and an iso that I burned the CD-ROM off of?	10:46
topyli	BlacKnight\|: i use them for window commands like shade, maximize etc.	10:46
bob2	altan: you need to do it on /dev/hdc	10:46
altan	ah	10:46
Kamion	'md5sum' on its own will wait for input ...	10:46
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Kamion	same way as just typing 'grep'	10:47
BlacKnight\|	topyli: how did you set it up?	10:47
altan	it should be the same md5 as the iso I burned it from though, yeah?	10:48
bob2	yes	10:48
topyli	BlacKnight\|: in the gnome keyboard shortcuts preferences	10:48
BlacKnight\|	and you hit windows+blah?	10:48
BlacKnight\|	for me it just tells me that super_l has been assigned	10:49
BlacKnight\|	i cant do it in combination with other stuff	10:49
topyli	BlacKnight\|: well, left win is max, ctrl+l-win is max vertically. like that	10:49
altan	I wasn't able to assign Super in combination with anything else. only shift, ctrl, and alt seem to work	10:50
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topyli	BlacKnight\|: yes, they come up as super_l and super_r	10:50
topyli	altan: that would be gconf-editor business	10:50
root_	damm, Herbert Xu has not create 686 linux-restricted-kernel yet, damm	10:51
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BlacKnight\|	ah ok, i'm sure there's a way to fix it	10:53
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altan	ouch, I got error processing hda: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error... that sounds kind of bad	10:53
spacey`stage	anyone an idea where i can find the part from the base-config that handles the user creation? I apt-get source base-install however it doesnt seem to contain actual configuration scripts	10:53
Adrenal	installed nivdia driver	10:54
Adrenal	what do i do now?	10:54
altan	I'm trying it in the other drive, could just be a drive issue	10:54
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fabbione	root_: chill down.. Herbert has nothing to do with l-r-m and hoayr	10:54
Kamion	spacey`stage: apt-get source shadow	10:55
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Kamion	spacey`stage: it's in debian/passwd.config	10:55
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BlacKnight\|	so how do i just install a .deb package?	10:58
root_	I need a 'services' configurator, can some1 show me 1?	10:58
spacey`stage	Kamion, thnx i'll look into it. This is the part which is called during ubuntu installation too?	10:58
ctd	BlacKnight\|: dpkg -i package.deb	10:58
BlacKnight\|	ta	10:59
Ribs	okay, seems my new kernel doesn't want to play ball	10:59
Ribs	it panics on boot	10:59
rory__	heh, mine 2	10:59
Ribs	it seems I'm missing the initrd line from the menu.lst	10:59
Simira	Treenaks, when do you leave tomorrow?	10:59
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Treenaks	Simira: I think around the afternoon	10:59
rory__	nah i had that as well, and it used it, didnt help...	10:59
Ribs	I am also missing that initrd file	10:59
rory__	cant mount hda1 (ext3)	11:00
rory__	even though i compiled ext3 as builtin	11:00
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Simira	Treenaks: ok, just trying to find some company for the way to Barcelona. But that's at 10:30	11:02
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Treenaks	Simira: I could go a bit earlier	11:03
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Kamion	spacey`stage: yes, base-config calls that from lib/menu/passwd	11:03
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Treenaks	Simira: I need to buy a present for my sister's birthday anyway	11:04
imka	hi	11:04
imka	how do i set up nat through firestarter? how do i find out what ip i should forward to? i'm trying to share internet with my laptop	11:04
spacey`stage	Kamion, ok thnx	11:05
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ctd	rory__: Why not. :)	11:07
imka	how do i set up nat through firestarter? how do i find out what ip i should forward to? i'm trying to share internet with my laptop	11:07
BlacKnight\|	hrmm synaptic's quite ogod	11:08
rory__	actually come to think of it she wouldnt mind at all if it came with Frozen Bubble... she likes that	11:09
root_	does anyone know any nice front-end runlevel editor?	11:09
Elwood	uhm	11:10
Elwood	rcconf?	11:10
root_	thx Elwood	11:10
root_	nice ncurse program	11:11
thoreauputic	root_: a whois suggests you are IRCing as root - why?	11:13
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BlacKnight\|	should sound in ubuntu work by default?	11:13
BlacKnight\|	i get sounds when i login	11:13
BlacKnight\|	but now gnome is telling me that there are no mixer elements or something	11:13
Ribs	How do I make a initrd file?	11:13
Ribs	for the kernel. I think it's the reason I can't boot with it	11:14
b_e_n_z	Ribs, mkinitrd?	11:14
thoreauputic	root_: you realise IRCing as root is A Really Bad Idea?	11:14
rory__	what b_e_n_z said	11:14
iz	thoreauputic, it is root_ is that not a nickname?	11:15
iz	:)	11:15
thoreauputic	iz: that's the nick, but the user name is root as well - I assume he is root	11:15
huwr	iz, do a /whois	11:15
huwr	And the 'realname' is also root.	11:15
iz	argh	11:15
Ribs	thanks	11:16
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BockBilbo	hello	11:17
BockBilbo	:)	11:17
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BlacKnight\|	Ribs: mkinitrd	11:17
thoreauputic	root_: fix it, please: unless you have a good reason like "pretending" to be root- which I doubt	11:17
Kamion	thoreauputic: (of course, IRCing through an ssh port forward can show up wrongly as IRCing as root ...)	11:17
BlacKnight\|	mkinitrd -o <file> <kernelversion>	11:18
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thoreauputic	Kamion: do you think that's likely? In some channels he'd be kicked summarily	11:18
Kamion	thoreauputic: kicking people for that without questioning is stupid, due to the ssh issue	11:19
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thoreauputic	Kamion: well, i asked - what is his answer?	11:20
Kamion	I am merely making an observation	11:20
Kamion	not that I can find the bug now, annoyingly	11:20
BockBilbo	do any of you use gdesklets?	11:21
Kamion	might have gone away with privsep	11:22
iz	BockBilbo, yup i am	11:23
BockBilbo	it works ok in ubuntu, right??	11:24
BockBilbo	:)	11:24
root_	thoreaupautic: hmm, root heh? I dont notice that my KrIRC choose 'root', it's a bug, I gotta to fix it	11:24
iz	sure	11:24
BockBilbo	great	11:24
BockBilbo	:)	11:24
iz	you now how to install it?	11:24
BockBilbo	well.. i instaled it on debian downloading it from the official site, but i think that its possible to install it via apt	11:25
BockBilbo	right??	11:25
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thoreauputic	root_: are you saying your client automatically assigned that name and you are in fact IRCing as a user?	11:25
Adrenal	where is the xf86config located?	11:25
iz	BockBilbo, you apt-get install gdesklets gdesklets-data	11:25
thoreauputic	root_: if so, you'll get a lot of flames ;-)	11:26
rory__	adnans /etc/X11/	11:26
rory__	Adrenal even...	11:26
Adrenal	lol, thanks	11:26
BockBilbo	iz ok	11:27
BockBilbo	:)	11:27
BockBilbo	just like in debian	11:27
BockBilbo	:)	11:27
thoreauputic	root_: sorry, you are using xchat - no excuse I'm afraid	11:27
Adrenal	ok, what do i replace the nv driver with to use the nvidia one i just isntalled?	11:27
neighborlee	Adrenal, 'nvidia'	11:28
Adrenal	cheers	11:28
root_	thoreaupautic: not really, it's a modified version of xchat, I called it KrIRC	11:28
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BockBilbo	kanto_so, in what way does krIRC improve XCHAT ??	11:29
Adrenal	thanks everyone	11:29
ddd	hi...	11:29
kanto_so	implementation on Fserver get files	11:29
BockBilbo	mmm	11:29
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iz	mmm BockBilbo :)	11:30
kanto_so	so you can download files like doing under GUI	11:30
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ddd	today i just the ubuntu shipped cd...	11:30
BockBilbo	i see kanto_so	11:30
kanto_so	AND	11:30
ddd	what a nice...	11:30
kanto_so	I have a special script	11:30
BockBilbo	what for?	11:30
kanto_so	so no fserver can detect I'm using GUI downloader	11:30
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kanto_so	normally they ban u if u use mass-download script	11:30
BockBilbo	hehe	11:31
BockBilbo	but... do you download stuff from the irc?..	11:31
BockBilbo	i normaly dont	11:31
kanto_so	hehe	11:31
kanto_so	just habbit	11:31
BockBilbo	:p	11:31
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BockBilbo	i see	11:31
BockBilbo	:)	11:31
BockBilbo	and does krIRC identify nicknames at freenode?	11:32
kanto_so	yes, but somehow I break that features in normal xchat	11:33
kanto_so	still working on it	11:33
BockBilbo	normal xchat has that feature??..	11:33
kanto_so	yes, using command	11:34
BockBilbo	oh...	11:34
kanto_so	oh	11:34
BockBilbo	i see	11:34
BockBilbo	:)	11:34
kanto_so	I just surf to LimeWire.com	11:34
kanto_so	they just release new version of Limewire	11:35
kanto_so	one of the best MP3 downloader P2P on the world	11:35
kanto_so	based on Java	11:35
BockBilbo	kanto_so, it seens like kazaa....	11:35
kanto_so	so I just copy the link here for all Ubuntu users who lazy to get to the website	11:35
kanto_so	http://sales.limewire.com/040903/gc59uxYlbhPoxaBKtyVc3k2dKuillFxf/download/LimeWireLinux.bin	11:35
kanto_so	yea	11:35
kanto_so	but no ad!	11:35
kanto_so	no spam	11:35
BockBilbo	you sure???	11:35
kanto_so	sure	11:35
kanto_so	no spam	11:36
kanto_so	and run on Linux!	11:36
BockBilbo	:)	11:36
BockBilbo	i think im gonna try ut	11:36
kanto_so	download using the link I gave	11:36
BockBilbo	cause the torrents dont work good for downloading single files	11:36
kanto_so	true	11:36
BockBilbo	the link you pasted is in spanish?	11:36
BockBilbo	..	11:36
kanto_so	Limewire is just the best for MP3 and Adult Video clips (~2k ppl share short AV clips)	11:36
BockBilbo	i would like to get an spanish version if it exists	11:36
BockBilbo	:)	11:36
kanto_so	there is Spanish there	11:37
kanto_so	choose in Language	11:37
kanto_so	it's multibilingual version	11:37
BockBilbo	ok	11:37
BockBilbo	kanto_so, where r u from?	11:38
kanto_so	Germany	11:38
BockBilbo	oh	11:38
BockBilbo	ok	11:38
BockBilbo	by the way, does limewire use a centralized server?	11:38
BockBilbo	or is it uncentralized?	11:39
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thoreauputic	kanto_so: which would be why your whois shows a .au address ;? ?	11:39
kanto_so	hehe	11:39
kanto_so	that's the trick dude!	11:39
kanto_so	no one use Internet here	11:39
kanto_so	I just use Au one	11:39
kanto_so	hehe	11:39
BockBilbo	austria	11:39
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kanto_so	close to Germany	11:40
thoreauputic	BockBilbo: .au is australia	11:40
BockBilbo	ohh	11:40
kanto_so	au	11:40
BockBilbo	:s	11:40
thoreauputic	.at is austria I believe	11:40
daniels	austria is .at	11:40
daniels	yes	11:40
kanto_so	no	11:40
kanto_so	au	11:40
BockBilbo	oh..	11:40
BockBilbo	oks	11:40
BockBilbo	:)	11:40
daniels	no, Australia is .au, and Austria is .at	11:40
kanto_so	damm	11:40
daniels	i know this because I live in Australia	11:40
kanto_so	my host is on	11:40
kanto_so	I gotta go off	11:40
BlacKnight\|	how do i tell dpkg to prompt me before overwrriting files?	11:40
BockBilbo	lol	11:40
kanto_so	orelse I will be in big trouble	11:41
kanto_so	he's one	11:41
thoreauputic	kanto_so: sorry, your credibility is now totally shot :)	11:41
kanto_so	who I got the net	11:41
BockBilbo	well..	11:41
BockBilbo	i got a question, what does ca stand for?	11:41
thoreauputic	we blew his cover ;)	11:41
daniels	BockBilbo: canada	11:41
thoreauputic	canada	11:41
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BockBilbo	oh...	11:42
BockBilbo	i see...	11:42
BockBilbo	so the last day i visited a canadian site for the first time in my life	11:42
BockBilbo	lol	11:42
BockBilbo	:)	11:42
BockBilbo	well.. im gonna take a shower... ill be back in 5 minutes	11:43
thoreauputic	So he was 1) IRCing as root 2)claiming to be 20 000 km from where he actually is ! hah	11:43
BockBilbo	hehe	11:43
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BockBilbo	xD	11:43
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BockBilbo	welll brb	11:45
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mirak_	hi	11:48
mirak_	there is a bug in hot plug	11:48
mojo	excuse me every1	11:48
seb128	mirak, bugzilla.ubuntu.com	11:48
mojo	ah..	11:48
mojo	can some1 help me to confirm this bug:	11:49
mirak_	seb128: I can tel you what the problem is, maybe that's not about that	11:49
mojo	in Xchat, open a URL (Open in new browser)	11:49
weezer_	hi	11:49
weezer_	does anyone know a good OCR software for ubuntu?	11:49
mojo	and Firefox starts up but STILL using default-theme, not the theme I chose	11:49
mirak_	seb128: when I plug my usb printer on the power, the computer freezes	11:49
mirak_	seb128: it do that if the usb cable is plugued on the computer	11:50
seb128	mirak, no idea on this, probably a kernel bug	11:51
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Ribs	is it 'kernel-image' or 'linux-image' what I want?	12:18
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crimsun	Ribs: linux-	12:20
tck	anyone here have acccess to the shipit orders ?	12:21
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cef	tck: no me, but I'm starting to wonder if I'll see CD's before christmas.. *8-(	12:27
candyman	I got one yesterday	12:27
tck	i dunno, i ordered a batch at the same time as a mate	12:27
candyman	a friend received his package already	12:27
tck	haven't even gotten a date of shipping	12:27
tck	so i updated the profile to be more specific	12:27
tck	and wondered did that reset the order date :/	12:28
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cef	yeah well I added more CD's to mone, but it says that the previous order shipped already by that date. might have confused the system	12:30
cef	mone = mine	12:30
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cef	daniels: you got your CD's yet?	12:30
daniels	cef: dunno, I'm not even vaguely close to home	12:33
daniels	cef: but unimelb has 1000 i386 CDs -- do you want a few?	12:33
BlacKnight\|	hrmm how do i find out which package i need to install a piece of software	12:33
BlacKnight\|	ie, which package do i need for qt3?	12:33
cef	daniels: tis cool.. just wondering where mine have gotten to	12:34
crimsun	BlacKnight\|: libqt3c102, libqt3c102-mt	12:34
cef	daniels: but at least 1 of each arch would be nice	12:34
BlacKnight\|	ok, but how do i find that out for myself?\	12:34
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crimsun	BlacKnight\|: apt-cache search qt3	12:34
BlacKnight\|	rad, thanks	12:35
daniels	cef: unfortunately they only have i386 (they were an early order), but if you go to the new ICT building (on Barry St), and go up to the CSSE (not IS) helpdesk on level 1, you should be able to walk away with i386 Cds	12:35
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cef	daniels: will keep it in mind... mainly want an amd64 cd for myself.. might need it shortly for my new lappy grin	12:36
daniels	cef: heh :)	12:36
daniels	nice!	12:36
daniels	i'm going to head to msy when i get back and grab myself a shiny new amd64	12:36
cef	daniels: woo!	12:37
BockBilbo	is there a good looking grub interface of ubuntu, just like in fedora???	12:37
Ribs	BockBilbo: Why would you want one?	12:37
Ribs	You'll only be looking at it's ugly ass for about 3 seconds anyway	12:38
BockBilbo	hehe	12:38
cef	daniels: amd64 3200+, nvidia chipset, 1G of ram, ATI 9700 Pro w/128M.. not too shabby for a lappy	12:38
daniels	nice!	12:38
BockBilbo	yes... but well.. i want everything to look great	12:38
BockBilbo	:)	12:38
Ribs	That's better than the desktop I hope to own one day	12:38
\|rufius\|	BockBilbo: you shouldn't have to see the grub screen... there shouldn't be any rebooting	12:39
BockBilbo	lol	12:39
BockBilbo	:)	12:39
Ribs	\|rufius\|: Try telling my system that ;)	12:39
\|rufius\|	Ribs: lol	12:39
cef	daniels: haven't got it yet tho.. boss wants to buy it, currently waiting on the vendor	12:39
Ribs	then again, I've done a lot of kernel fiddleing latley	12:39
Ribs	all the reboots have been requested	12:39
Ribs	I have one problem left now... x tries to start twice?!	12:39
BlacKnight\|	ubuntu's fantastic	12:40
\|rufius\|	zac@metis:~ $ uptime	12:40
\|rufius\|	05:39:38 up 105 days, 8:49, 3 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00	12:40
\|rufius\|	^^ see no rebooting	12:40
BlacKnight\|	although it's going to take me a lot of pissfarting around to get it to work properly	12:40
BockBilbo	xDDDDD	12:40
BlacKnight\|	my record uptime is 257 days	12:40
BlacKnight\|	then this week there were thunderstorms	12:41
BlacKnight\|	10:41pm up 2 days, 4:18, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.02, 0.00	12:41
BlacKnight\|	:(	12:41
\|rufius\|	sucks	12:41
BlacKnight\|	yeah	12:41
BockBilbo	:\|	12:41
BlacKnight\|	and that's with mdk!	12:41
\|rufius\|	heh	12:41
BockBilbo	this is wied	12:41
BlacKnight\|	i should install ubuntu on my server too	12:41
BlacKnight\|	it'll run madleet	12:41
cef	daniels: hopefully I can get it before xmas grin.. then I can get some serious stuff done for warty during my holidays	12:41
BockBilbo	ubuntu has detetected my wifi card	12:41
cef	daniels: erm, hoary even	12:41
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BockBilbo	and in the wiki says	12:41
daniels	cef: heh, awesome :)	12:41
BockBilbo	that its totally supported	12:41
BockBilbo	but, i cannot load it	12:41
\|rufius\|	mdk is good stuff, ive got another server w/ mdk on it thats been up over a year and a half	12:41
BockBilbo	:S	12:41
BockBilbo	im trying to make it active, but somehow gnome doesnt allow me	12:42
BockBilbo	can anyone help me??	12:42
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BockBilbo	i have an intel pro wireless card, that uses the modules ipw2200	12:42
BockBilbo	thanks anyways \|rufius\|	12:43
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BockBilbo	:S	12:44
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Ng	\|rufius\|: is an uptime of a year and a half a good thing?	12:44
Ng	doesn't that mean you've gone 18 months without updating the kernel, at the very least? ;)	12:45
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\|rufius\|	Ng: isolated box, doesn't need to be updated for what i do w/ it	12:45
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Ng	\|rufius\|: fair enough :)	12:45
\|rufius\|	just a file server and i dont see the point of rebooting it to upgrade its kernel	12:45
Ng	\|rufius\|: there are plenty of people who would have that on the net and be proud of it ;)	12:46
\|rufius\|	cuz it sits on a part of my home network where it doesnt know there's anything outside the little area it lives in ;)	12:46
Simira	who's the synaptic manager again...?	12:46
Simira	mainentance, I mean	12:46
\|rufius\|	Ng: new users think lots of uptime == l33t, its only l33t if you can justify not upgrading your kernel ;)	12:46
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bob2	Simira: Michael Vogt aka mvo	12:47
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Ng	\|rufius\|: hehe	12:47
Simira	thanks bob2	12:48
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Hikaru79	Ever since I upgraded to Hoary, if I try to put launchers or links or icons on the desktop, or change it's wallpaper, the change doesn't show up until I restart the computer; I understand that Hoary is still new so I'm not going to complain about that. Just gotta ask -- is there a way to manually "refresh" the desktop from the command line?	12:49
Hikaru79	The changes DO show up if I do 'ls -al' in the terminal	12:49
Hikaru79	Just not graphically	12:49
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\|rufius\|	Hikaru79: you try just restarting your x-server to see if changes will show then?	12:49
Hikaru79	Yeah, but... won't that close currently-running programs?	12:50
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\|rufius\|	yah... but you said restarting also works... so restarting just the x-server is less wrok	12:50
\|rufius\|	im just trying to diagnose a problem, not necessarily provide a solution yet	12:50
Hikaru79	Oh, OK	12:50
Hikaru79	Hm, line to restart X-Server again? ^ ^;;	12:51
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\|rufius\|	/etc/rc.d/gdm restart <--- i think tahts it	12:51
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Hikaru79	OK, brb in that case	12:51
\|rufius\|	Hikaru79: ./etc/rc3.d/S99gdm restart	12:52
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bob2	erm	12:52
bob2	no	12:52
bob2	at worst log out and back again	12:52
bob2	you do not need to restart X	12:52
Hikaru79	logging in/out will restart X?	12:52
Hikaru79	OK	12:52
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Hikaru79	OK, yup, that worked	12:53
Hikaru79	But, is there any better way? Kinda sucks to have to restart just for an icon or wallpaper change >>	12:53
bob2	have you filed a bug?	12:54
Hikaru79	Nope; I was hoping that a command line existed	12:55
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Hikaru79	If not, then I guess I'll have to :)	12:55
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BlacKnight\|	anyone home?	12:56
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BlacKnight\|	typically crimson	12:56
BlacKnight\|	namely crimsun rather	12:56
BlacKnight\|	:)	12:56
BlacKnight\|	:F	12:56
bob2	it's best to just ask a question instead of chasing someone individually...	12:57
BlacKnight\|	haah ok	12:57
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BlacKnight\|	to get smp support, do i just apt-get install linux-smp-686	12:57
BlacKnight\|	?	12:57
crimsun	linux-image-686-smp	12:57
BlacKnight\|	linux-686-smp rather	12:58
BlacKnight\|	oh right...	12:58
BlacKnight\|	what's the diff b/w that and what i've done?	12:58
crimsun	"image-"	12:58
BlacKnight\|	does that have any implication?	12:58
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crimsun	nope	12:58
crimsun	you can use linux-686-smp if you wish	12:58
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BlacKnight\|	excellent	01:00
pitti	mh21: ping	01:00
BlacKnight\|	also, is there a way to use the kde-style mousewheel-over-desktop-changer-switches-desktops thing?	01:01
BlacKnight\|	aaand how do i edit the gnome menues?	01:01
BlacKnight\|	menus even	01:01
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DataTek	Does Shuttleworth ever chat in here?	01:26
stvn	yes	01:26
thoreauputic	I've seen him once	01:26
DataTek	ohh	01:26
DataTek	what's his nick?	01:26
stvn	sabdlf or something like that	01:27
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DataTek	so	01:32
DataTek	gow do you guys find ubuntu?	01:32
DataTek	how	01:32
oscarh	friend	01:32
rory__	hi DataTek	01:32
DataTek	no thats not what i meant	01:33
DataTek	hello rory__	01:33
port7	ut came in the post	01:33
DataTek	nor that	01:33
DataTek	i meant: how do you like it?	01:33
port7	heh	01:33
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Hikaru79	DataTek, best distro I've ever tried :)	01:37
DataTek	which others did you try?	01:38
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Hikaru79	Debian, Knoppix HD install, BeatrIX, Slackware, and Mandrake	01:38
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oscarh	DataTek, i've tried slackware and suse as well.	01:38
oscarh	still run slackware on my server(s)	01:38
Hikaru79	Mostly debian-based, it seems. Maybe I should give Fedora Core or something a try too	01:38
oscarh	but apt-get is a bliss on a desktop	01:39
Hikaru79	Heh :)	01:39
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candyman	what do I burn cds with under ubuntu?	01:44
rory__	cdrecord	01:44
oscarh	nautilius	01:44
oscarh	?	01:45
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candyman	any k3b-like app?	01:45
candyman	I need to record an ISO to CD	01:45
mjr	candyman, just right-click the image in nautilus	01:45
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oscarh	cdrecord would be good for that	01:45
mjr	the rest should be obvious :)	01:45
candyman	oh!	01:45
candyman	thanks, mjr	01:45
jiyuu0	candyman, go check ubuntuguide.org	01:46
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tim1	hi	01:47
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tim1	does anybody know in which package the kernel module 'snd-alsa-oss' resides ?	01:48
candyman	scary	01:48
candyman	I just put all my data in a place where I can't read it	01:49
candyman	jiyuu0, thanks	01:49
candyman	I am quite new at this, a guide is good	01:49
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jiyuu0	no prob	01:49
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__learner__	hello. Good Morning. (if it is now morning where you llive!)	01:53
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bob2	tim1: it'll have underscores	01:54
bob2	and in the linux-image packages	01:54
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b00gie	any idea how to install nvidia modules?	01:56
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tim1	mh	01:59
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tim1	it has now underscores	01:59
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tim1	but it was the wrong name however	01:59
tim1	it's snd-pcm-oss	02:00
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tim1	but it was in ther kernel-image package	02:00
tim1	thanks bob2 :)	02:00
b00gie	i cant install nvidia! :(	02:01
tim1	has anybody else also problems with updating mono from 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 through apt ?	02:01
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painiac	b00gie, try the howto on the forum about tweaking your ubuntu installation, that's where i found it	02:02
tim1	bOOgie: what's the error ?	02:02
b00gie	i use hoary's kernel.. there is no glx modules for 2.9.1 kernelll	02:03
rory__	2.9 kernel?	02:04
bob2	b00gie: yes, you'll need to wait	02:04
bob2	rory__: he/she means 2.6.9	02:04
b00gie	2.6.9 :)	02:04
rory__	lol	02:04
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sandro	hello	02:11
sandro	where can i found an italian ubuntu irc channel?	02:11
Riddell	sandro: try #ubuntu-it	02:12
sandro	Riddell: thanx,i try now	02:12
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__learner__	hi, can you tell me how to find a good replacmente for kazaa in linux	02:15
jiyuu0	limewire	02:15
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sval	__learner__ limewire for example	02:19
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__learner__	tx, I'll try limewire	02:23
__learner__	I can't find limeware in the repositories	02:28
sval	__learner__ www.limewire.com ... it's a java application	02:28
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sval	__learner__ not OpenSource	02:29
__learner__	thanks	02:31
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SteveA	sladen: ping	02:33
jiyuu0	__learner__, how to install limewire	02:33
jiyuu0	http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire	02:33
__learner__	is limeware basic good?	02:33
jiyuu0	ok	02:34
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Triple\|5	hello, how do i check my version?	02:35
crimsun	Triple\|5: ...of?	02:36
Triple\|5	ubuntu	02:36
Triple\|5	i upgraded to hoary but i wanna check	02:36
crimsun	cat /etc/issue	02:36
Triple\|5	if i have it	02:36
Triple\|5	still says warty	02:36
crimsun	did you elect to replace /etc/issue during the update of base-files?	02:37
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crimsun	(and/or /etc/issue.net)	02:37
Triple\|5	when i hit apt-get update it shows hoary	02:37
Triple\|5	but when i upgrade or dist-upgrade	02:37
Triple\|5	it goes fine but then at the end it shows errors on dependencies	02:37
crimsun	and what dependencies are those?	02:37
Triple\|5	im gonna tell u right now, as soon as it shows	02:38
crimsun	if they're related to xfonts*transcoded, you need universe in your hoary line in /etc/apt/sources.list	02:39
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__learner__	isn't there any good choices to limeware in the repository?	02:40
Riddell	__learner__: bittorrent	02:40
Triple\|5	1 other question	02:41
Triple\|5	hoary uses xorg?	02:41
crimsun	Triple\|5: correct	02:41
Triple\|5	well the upgrade is almost done , so the dpkg gonna be there soon	02:41
Triple\|5	showing	02:41
thenuke	how is the xorg better?	02:41
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Triple\|5	im wondering because xorg with other distros doesnt work in my linux box, but i have ubuntu on vmware right now and i upgraded to haory before on my linux box and it seems to work, so i guess when the xorg is configured automatically works	02:42
crimsun	thenuke: updated drivers, many bug fixes, new features, etc.	02:42
catdog	Is there an 'easy' way to see which repository a package is coming from with apt-get/synaptic?	02:42
crimsun	catdog: apt-cache policy package	02:43
catdog	crimsun: thank ye	02:43
crimsun	catdog: the currently installed version is marked with triplicate asterisks	02:43
__learner__	bittorrent is really good, but I need something more Kazaa-like. I often use bit-torrent to.	02:43
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art_illery	hi	02:45
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catdog	crimsun: of course the correct answer was 'man apt-cache', or 'RTFM, dipshit' :)	02:46
sval	__learner__ liwewire is a java gnutella client	02:46
crimsun	catdog: neither the time nor the place :)	02:46
sval	__learner__ if you want a debian package you could search for gnutella and you will see that mldonkey is also a gnutella client	02:46
__learner__	tx.	02:47
sval	__learner__ gtk-gnutella exists alsa	02:47
sval	__learner__ also*	02:47
__learner__	Hey, I installed the JVM, but a program says it is not defined in my path enviroment variable. How can I set it?	02:47
sval	__learner__ PATH=$PATH:/.../jre/bin ; export Pathfinder	02:49
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sval	__learner__ oops	02:49
__learner__	thanks.	02:49
sval	__learner__ export PATH	02:49
__learner__	tx.	02:49
__learner__	I'll try it.	02:49
sval	__learner__ not Pathfinder ...	02:49
__learner__	I understood. Tx a lot	02:49
sval	__learner__ add this lines into your .bashrc	02:49
sval	__learner__ otherwise you will have to do it for each console each time you log in	02:50
__learner__	where is this .bashrc file?	02:50
AndreiV	in your home directory	02:50
sval	__learner__ in your home directory ~/.bashrc	02:50
AndreiV	~/.bashrc	02:50
AndreiV	:)	02:50
sval	AndreiV , lol synchro :p	02:51
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BockBilbo	hello there again	02:51
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Triple\|5	crimsun, here it is	02:52
crimsun	Triple\|5: use #flood or a paste web site, please	02:52
Triple\|5	fetcged 265mb in 6ms	02:52
Triple\|5	no prob	02:52
BockBilbo	how do i make xine sound??	02:52
BockBilbo	i just installed it, but i cant heard the sound of the dvd's	02:53
BockBilbo	:S	02:53
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sval	BockBilbo check the sound server	02:53
sval	BockBilbo do you use esd ?	02:53
BockBilbo	i guess so	02:53
BockBilbo	ubuntu uses it, right?	02:53
sval	BockBilbo yes by default	02:53
__learner__	tx. does "~" always means the home dir?	02:53
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sval	BockBilbo so check in the xine options ...	02:53
AndreiV	__learner__: yes	02:53
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sval	__learner__ that's right	02:54
thenuke	__learner__: so you can for example do cd ~	02:54
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AndreiV	yes, but cd 1	02:54
AndreiV	sorry	02:54
AndreiV	cd ~ == cd	02:54
AndreiV	just cd	02:54
__learner__	nice	02:55
BockBilbo	sval, im checking them	02:55
art_illery	i hope someone could help me with a little trouble i am trying to solve since almost 2 hours with the Synaptic Package manager. It doesnt give any error or anything, yet it doesnt seem to download anything at all. I am starting to think i have mad cow disease *-<8-P=-	02:55
art_illery	maybe an NAT problem	02:55
sval	art_illery could you precise your problem ? ...	02:56
__learner__	does it have another semicolon after "export PATH" -- like "export PATH; ?	02:56
art_illery	ok, when i click update Packages, a window appears sazing downloading File 4of4, then it closes again after a few seconds, and back i am at an unchanged screen in the Packet manager reading no pakets to install	02:57
thenuke	art_illery: try sudo apt-get update at console	02:57
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art_illery	k	02:57
thenuke	it might give you some hints of the error	02:57
sval	do you select any package to be instaled ?	02:57
AndreiV	__learner__: no	02:57
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__learner__	tx. there's semicolon only at the first line.	02:58
art_illery	E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)	02:58
art_illery	E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?	02:58
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sval	art_illery close synaptic	02:59
art_illery	k	02:59
art_illery	done	02:59
__learner__	So I would add just this "PATH=$PATH://home/romulo/java/j2sdk1.4.2_04/bin/; \n export PATH	02:59
__learner__	export PATH	02:59
sval	art_illery re-type the sudo command	02:59
sval	__learner__ forget the semicolon ... , just type two line	03:00
art_illery	reading package list... done it says	03:00
__learner__	tx	03:00
sval	__learner__ PATH=$PATH:/... for the first one and export PATH at the end of the .bashrc	03:00
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sval	art_illery art_illery so what's the problem ?	03:01
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BockBilbo	sval, done	03:03
BockBilbo	:)	03:03
art_illery	when i open up the Paket Manager and hit Reload it doesnt seem to download anything, and i wanted to download the fxgrl for ATI Radeon Cards	03:03
art_illery	like it was described in the ubuntu forums	03:03
sval	so ... just select this package in synaptic and click apply	03:03
sval	art_illery or just type apt-get install fxgrl in console	03:04
art_illery	Reading Package Lists... Done	03:05
art_illery	Building Dependency Tree... Done	03:05
art_illery	E: Couldn't find package fxgrl	03:05
art_illery	that is where i am stuck ;o(	03:05
sval	art_illery fxgrl in not in the repository in fact ;)	03:06
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sval	art_illery apt-cache search fxgrl returns nothing	03:06
BockBilbo	hehe	03:06
BockBilbo	xD	03:06
sval	ttl- nautilus or konqueror	03:07
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sandro	hello,i would ask if its possible to install xfree 3.3 on ubuntu warty	03:07
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Ng	3.3?!	03:07
Ng	in theory, sure	03:07
sandro	Ng: because i have an old 200mhz notebook	03:07
catdog	art_illery: which page are you looking at on the forums?	03:07
Ng	sandro: aha. I'm not sure that ubuntu is the best distro for that	03:09
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art_illery	www.ubuntuforums.org&showthread.php?t=3713 (if i typed it in correctly from the other machine over there G)	03:09
art_illery	org/show i mean argh, sorrz	03:10
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catdog	art_illary: do you mean the 'HOWTO: ATI FGLRX 3D Acceleration'?	03:12
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__learner__	tx, it worked. Now I'm installing Limeware.	03:12
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catdog	art)illery: It's okay. I've got it	03:12
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__learner__	Is there anything like karamba for gnome?	03:12
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art_illery	no, its the HOWTO:Tweaking Ubuntu after your first installation by ubuntu-geek	03:13
sval	__learner__ gdesklets	03:13
art_illery	sorry, if i react somewhat late some times, i am doing lots of things simultaneously here	03:13
catdog	art_illery: Don't you mean the fglrx package?	03:13
catdog	art_illery: it#s cool	03:13
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art_illery	problem is, i cant install Linux-686 because it also doesnt find it	03:15
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art_illery	and then i stopped there in the guide and tried to figure out, whz it didnt find it	03:15
catdog	art_illary: one thing at a time ;)	03:16
catdog	art_illary, oh I see, okay	03:16
sval	art_illery what's linux-686 ?	03:16
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miss_pari	is ubuntu based on i686 platform?	03:17
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catdog	art_illary: I think 'linux-image-686' is the one you want.	03:17
art_illery	catdog, are you also reading the ubuntu Forum guide?	03:18
art_illery	i mentioned	03:18
spo	hi	03:18
spo	how are you all doing<	03:19
spo	?	03:19
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catdog	art_illery: yeah, I'm on it. It says 'sudo apt-get install linux-686', and your saying that's not working, right/	03:19
art_illery	yep	03:19
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spo	anybody from czech republic?	03:20
__learner__	tx a lot	03:20
markus__	Hi. I don't have any access to the sound-device (e.g. volume control), though the corresponding user is in the group "audio". I have a board with the "nVidia nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler" chipset. Is this supported by Ubuntu? Or do I have to install the nVidia nForce drivers?	03:20
BockBilbo	where are the gdesklets installed when downloading them from apt??	03:20
BockBilbo	i mean.. the gdesklet data	03:21
sval	BockBilbo , /usr/share/gdesklets i think	03:21
BockBilbo	thank you	03:21
catdog	art_illery: goto (in synaptic) menu settings > Resositories, and check you've got 'Warty restricted' enabled (you may have to scroll the box to the right)	03:21
markus__	BockBilbo, you can see which files a package offers by running "dpkg -L <package-name>". (Or in Synaptic too...)	03:21
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catdog	art_illery: s/Res/rep sorry typo city today!	03:22
art_illery	np	03:22
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nyu	hi	03:23
nyu	anyone in the meeting in mataro?	03:23
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Kinnison	many of us :-)	03:24
nyu	(or any channel for the meeting?)	03:24
Simira	of course	03:24
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Simira	we're all here	03:24
BockBilbo	i would love to go to the meeting	03:24
nyu	nice. are there any talks planned today or something?	03:24
BockBilbo	why is it hold in catalunya?	03:24
nyu	dunno, but makes it easy for me to attend =)	03:25
nyu	(half an hour on train)	03:25
__learner__	there is also no gdesklets in the repository.	03:25
Kinnison	nyu: Please feel free to turn up.	03:25
BockBilbo	:)	03:25
nyu	Kinnison: stand up?	03:25
nyu	ok	03:25
catdog	art_illery: Then 'Edit >> Reload Package List'	03:25
BockBilbo	i would love to go too...	03:25
spiv	nyu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConfAgenda	03:25
Kinnison	nyu: In half an hour's time there's a New Maintainer talk	03:25
Kinnison	nyu: then a languagepack talk, then one on python	03:26
Kinnison	nyu: after dinner we have a card-games bof	03:26
nyu	Kinnison: cool. isaac clerencia is sitting near me and 'll probably be interested	03:26
nyu	spiv: thx	03:27
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catdog	art_illery: if that doesn't work you've probably got internet connection problems.	03:27
art_illery	hmmm, interesting, i have 7 choices there, and one is enabled, but it is only a CD-ROM URI. the other Internet URIs are not enabled. mazbe thats the problem?	03:28
art_illery	maybe	03:28
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catdog	art_illery: most likely. For now just enable 'warty: main restricted' and 'warty-security: main restricted'.	03:29
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ruebe	hi to all	03:29
art_illery	with warty:main restricted you mean the options reading main restricted in the sections Column	03:31
catdog	art_illery: exactly	03:32
art_illery	ok	03:32
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catdog	art_illery: then, once you reloaded the package list (in the edit menu), it'd probably be a good idea to upgrade everything.	03:33
__learner__	how can I install Gdesklets?	03:33
art_illery	i suppose i dont really need the choices reading deb-src, as those would be the source files to compile myself, which isnt what i want right now, right?	03:33
catdog	art_illery: Not really sure. No harm in selecting them	03:34
sval	__learner__ maybe ... sudo apt-get install gdesklets ...	03:34
catdog	__learner__: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3012	03:34
sval	__learner__ i think it's a good idea :d	03:34
__learner__	tx	03:35
Simira	feels clever	03:35
__learner__	sorry for that, I haven't seen it on the repositories.	03:35
sval	__learner__ add the universe and multiverse repository then	03:36
catdog	desklets is in universe	03:36
__learner__	tx.	03:36
__learner__	Now it's working. Sorry, it was my mistake.	03:36
art_illery	wow, it downloaded something hurray! Thanks a billion catdog. i cant imagine it was that simple. i was really getting my head broken, trying to set up an HTTP Proxy on my other Linux machine just for letting Synaptic connect. I wouldnt have imagined my problem to be that simple. ;oP	03:38
catdog	art_illery: np. You know now :) You'll probably want to enable universe and/or multiverse sometime in the future, to get a few good things - but ubuntu doesn't support packages taken from universe/multiverse.	03:40
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art_illery	ok, thank you for your kind support	03:41
invitro	Hi, does anyone know what have happened to the mono packages? I was to install them but they seem to have got stuck in circling dependencies? Could the cause be that the maintainers are updating them at the moment?	03:42
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Tzalidar	joing #fedora	03:42
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Tzalidar	gah	03:42
zerokarmaleft	invitro, are you running warty or hoary?	03:42
invitro	zerokarmaleft: hoary.	03:43
zerokarmaleft	invitro, i believe the package update is in progress...some packages on the repos are still 1.02	03:43
zerokarmaleft	invitro, 1.04 was just released yesterday and i'm running warty, so i just built it from the source tarballs	03:44
invitro	zerokarmaleft: ah, that probably explains it. thanks.	03:44
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imka	hey	03:52
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imka	how can i copy complete directories to my local machine using sftp? i can copy files but not dirs	03:53
nyu	imka: try scp -r	03:54
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BockBilbo	where is the path file in ubuntu???	03:55
imka	nyu what's the syntax?	03:55
rory__	?	03:55
rory__	theres a bunch of them really	03:55
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nyu	imka: info scp \|\| man scp	03:56
Synek	imka: scp -t user@host:directory directory	03:56
Synek	-r	03:56
Synek	;)	03:56
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samurai	morning all	03:57
wood1	Hello to all	03:57
Synek	hi ho :)	03:57
Simira	good bof to all	03:58
wood1	How do I install the kernel 2.6.8.1-3.686 ???	03:58
wood1	I am currently using kernel 2.6.8.1-3.386	03:58
Synek	And?	03:58
Tzalidar	wood1, sudo apt-get install linux-686	03:58
thoreauputic	wood1: why do you need to change?	03:58
Tzalidar	because the 686 is more optimized for p4 p3 and such	03:59
BockBilbo	do anyone know where is the path file in ubuntu???	03:59
wood1	Well I seemed to get a speed improvement when using linux-686	03:59
Synek	wood1: i guess you want some customized kernel?	03:59
thoreauputic	Tzalidar: the difference is negligible	03:59
Tzalidar	:)	03:59
wood1	Well, yup	03:59
thoreauputic	wood1: it's called the placebo effect ;)	04:00
wood1	that's it: apt-get install linux-2.6.8.1-3.686 ????	04:00
BockBilbo	thoreauputic, do you know where it is?	04:00
wood1	what's the apt-get command ?	04:00
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thoreauputic	BockBilbo: "it" depends. There are several possibilities	04:01
__learner__	is it that easy to change the kernell?	04:01
Tzalidar	__learner__, yes	04:01
catdog	plus a reboot ;)	04:01
wood1	Well, what is the command to install the 686 kernel. I forgot	04:01
BockBilbo	see.. i want to add the bin directory of j2sdk to the path of the system	04:01
samurai	wood1: if you have apt-cache installed you can "apt-cache search kernel\|grep 2.6" this will give you all the options available. Select the one you want and "apt-get install appropriate-kernel-name"	04:01
samurai	apt-cache command, I mean	04:02
BockBilbo	in order to be able to use all the j2sdk programs	04:02
Tzalidar	wood1, it is an administrative tool for installing applications on debian/ubuntu or any apt-get enabled distro :)	04:02
markus__	According to the Ubuntu-Wiki, the nForce2-Audio-chip is supported via the intel8x0 driver. The module "snd_intel8x0" is loaded, but I can't get any access to the device? Any idea?	04:02
thoreauputic	wood1: why noyt just find it in synaptic? click and you are done	04:02
thoreauputic	*not	04:02
BockBilbo	i know that there was a file in debian where y ou could just add some words to the path line in order to add the directory to the path	04:02
Tzalidar	BockBilbo, did you use the Java guide in the ubuntu wiki?	04:02
samurai	you will also need to put a sudo in front of the apt-get install command	04:02
wood1	well I installed the 686 kernel from the command prompt. I just forgot the kernel source name	04:02
BockBilbo	Tzalidar, i did	04:02
nyu	any toolchain hacker in the cristal room i can bother with ada frontend questions? =)	04:02
Tzalidar	because when i did it it did that from start	04:03
BockBilbo	but thats just for jme	04:03
Tzalidar	hmm strange	04:03
BockBilbo	i need j2sdk	04:03
BockBilbo	;)	04:03
BockBilbo	develpment kit	04:03
Tzalidar	yes, i did it with jsdk 1.5.0	04:03
BockBilbo	ohh	04:03
Tzalidar	and it worked like a charm	04:03
samurai	does anyone know where the circular cursor is defined... Then one with the dots moving around its edge showing activity?	04:03
__learner__	What are the real changes made to java 5	04:03
Tzalidar	or j2sdk 1.5.0 or whats it called :)	04:03
__learner__	?	04:03
BockBilbo	see... i tried the 5thmethod	04:03
Tzalidar	__learner__, i believe they are MANY :)	04:03
BockBilbo	which consists on the java-virtual-machine-dummy	04:04
BockBilbo	did you tried that?	04:04
Tzalidar	__learner__, SWING has gotten an upswing :), the metal theme is more sleek and i think that overall performance is very good	04:04
Tzalidar	okay, i used the second	04:04
art_illery	cya l8er	04:05
BockBilbo	oh...	04:05
BockBilbo	see.. i just need to modify the path	04:05
BockBilbo	thats how i made it last time	04:05
BockBilbo	in debian	04:05
Kamion	wood1: somebody already told you above	04:05
Kamion	14:58 < Tzalidar> wood1, sudo apt-get install linux-686	04:05
samurai	Kamion: I just looked the kernel name would be linux-image-2.6-686	04:06
wood1	Thanks Kamion	04:06
catdog	linux-686 also exists	04:06
Kamion	samurai: there are a number of metapackages for various purposes.	04:06
wood1	But I installed the 686 Kernel from a different approach, I mean a different name	04:06
zerokarmaleft	samurai, that's just the kernel image isn't it? i think linux-image is a metapackage to install modules as well	04:07
Tzalidar	yes, that works also	04:07
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Kamion	zerokarmaleft: no, not just the kernel image	04:07
zerokarmaleft	samurai, linux-xxx i mean	04:07
Kamion	linux-686 includes restricted modules	04:07
samurai	good point	04:07
Tzalidar	well, i dist-upgraded my hoary into brokeness	04:07
Tzalidar	think i'll be going back to warty	04:07
zerokarmaleft	Kamion, like the nvidia drivers for instance?	04:07
Kamion	zerokarmaleft: right, or madwifi, or whatever	04:08
zerokarmaleft	ic	04:08
Kamion	free modules are in the main linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686 package though	04:08
wood1	Oh yes I did it by: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-3.686	04:08
Kamion	wood1: change the last . to a -	04:08
samurai	BockBilbo: Have you just tried modifuing the path in /etc/profile?	04:09
wood1	what is the difference between: apt-get install linux-686 and pt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-3.686 ?	04:09
wood1	apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-3.686	04:09
wood1	???	04:09
Kamion	the second one is persistently misspelled?	04:09
Kamion	15:07 < Kamion> linux-686 includes restricted modules	04:10
thoreauputic	wood1: you apt-get a package, not a deb	04:10
BockBilbo	samurai, i havent	04:10
BockBilbo	im gonna try first modifying bashrc	04:10
wood1	Are they the same commands ???	04:10
Kamion	no, they are not	04:10
Kamion	I have already told you twice that linux-686 includes restricted kernel modules as well	04:11
samurai	BockBilbo: that would work and localize the changed to you, in case you don't want them available to others that might want to use your system	04:11
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__learner__	Really? What about compatobility with old java prgs? Are they compatible? Do they bennefit from that performance increase?	04:12
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BockBilbo	ok	04:12
BockBilbo	samurai, im gonna do what you said	04:12
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BockBilbo	just add it to /etc/profile	04:12
Ribs	hrm	04:12
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wood1	How do I install openMosix in Ubuntu ?	04:13
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Kinnison	Ribs: what are you doing?	04:13
Ribs	Kinnison: Well, it appeared to just be wine, and cedega at first	04:15
Ribs	now I've noticed that glxinfo and glxgears are having the same problem	04:15
Ribs	So I'm thinking it's the Nvidia module	04:15
BockBilbo	well	04:15
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BockBilbo	thanks	04:15
BockBilbo	gtg	04:15
BockBilbo	bye!	04:15
wood1	Amaranth, are you there ?	04:15
Kinnison	Ribs: Aaah nvidia or nv?	04:15
Amaranth	wood1: Yeah	04:16
Ribs	nvidia	04:16
Ribs	ahhh	04:16
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wood1	How do I install the openMosix in Ubuntu ?	04:16
Ribs	I've installed manually, but not taking out the modules from Synaptic	04:16
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Amaranth	wood1: No clue.	04:17
Amaranth	I've never touched it.	04:17
wood1	Well it's OK	04:17
Amaranth	I don't think Ubuntu would be a good distro for clustering.	04:17
Kinnison	Amaranth: why not?	04:17
wood1	Well it's worth giving it a try	04:17
wood1	I am just experimenting	04:17
wood1	No harm	04:17
Amaranth	Kinnison: It's meant for a desktop, certain things are setup in ways that wouldn't be the best for a server.	04:17
Kinnison	Amaranth: you can make a server install of ubuntu	04:18
Kinnison	Amaranth: all our servers run it :-)	04:18
Amaranth	yikes	04:18
Simira	Amaranth: it's not spesifically made for being a desktop	04:18
zerokarmaleft	why	04:18
zerokarmaleft	there's so much stuff a server doesn't need	04:18
zerokarmaleft	X, for instance	04:18
Amaranth	yeah, like X and GTK :P	04:18
Kinnison	X is in the DESKTOP install	04:18
Simira	Amaranth: it's made for having the possibilities of a desktop, but it's also a server tool	04:18
Kinnison	you can make a SERVER install	04:19
Simira	yup	04:19
Amaranth	How? The default install automatically setups up a desktop.	04:19
zerokarmaleft	ditto, my curiosity is now piqued	04:19
Kinnison	I believe it's an argument to the installer	04:19
Kinnison	Kamion would know more	04:19
Amaranth	Should have an ubuntu-server metapackage. ;)	04:20
Kinnison	what do you want installed on a server?	04:20
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Amaranth	Good question. :P	04:21
wood1	Well I think that there is an option to install Ubuntu as a Server during the 1st Phase of installation	04:21
__learner__	Is there any way to install apache-PHP-mysql combo in ubuntu?	04:21
Amaranth	yes	04:22
Amaranth	apache 1 or 2?	04:22
__learner__	Or Will I need to install all of them separately	04:22
Tzalidar	i think that you append "custom" as a boot parameter	04:22
Tzalidar	sudo apt-get install apache php4 mysql-server	04:22
bob2	__learner__: sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server libapach2-mod-php4 php4-mysql	04:22
Tzalidar	i beleive that ubuntu defaults to apache2	04:22
Amaranth	Tzalidar: You forgot one.	04:22
Tzalidar	:)	04:22
Tzalidar	the rest are installed as dependencies :)	04:22
__learner__	don't know the difference... I will make a page to put on another web server, so I think I need the most used one.	04:22
bob2	no they're not	04:22
Tzalidar	hmm perhaps not php4-mysql but anyways :)	04:23
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Amaranth	Tzalidar: libapache2-mod-php4 isn't installed with your command.	04:23
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Kamion	Amaranth: boot with 'custom'. it's in the documentation	04:24
Kamion	Amaranth: (as in, type 'custom' at the boot prompt)	04:25
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Amaranth	yeah	04:25
__learner__	I need an apache version that is compatible with the version of a hosting service server? The version will interfere with that?	04:25
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Amaranth	well, i'm not making a server, just wondering	04:25
PyGuy	Hello	04:25
bob2	__learner__: maybe yo ucould explain what you're trying to do?	04:25
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Amaranth	__learner__: Unless you are messing with Apache config stuff and not just PHP the version doesn't matter.	04:25
PyGuy	Does anyone know in how many days/weeks Ubuntu CDs are packaged and mailed?	04:25
mjg59	PyGuy: Various batches have been done	04:26
Amaranth	It says on the site.	04:26
Kamion	I called it custom because it doesn't contain any extra server bits; it's just the base system	04:26
__learner__	I just need to install apache-php-mysql do create and test the page during development. I don't need to use it as a server for other people.	04:26
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PyGuy	mjg59, are you notified when your pack is sent out? Or do you just have to "wait it out"?	04:26
Amaranth	Kamion: I ended up with the base system in a different way. ;)	04:26
bob2	PyGuy: depends when you ordered...up to 6 weeks depending if you ordered just after a batch went out	04:26
Amaranth	The installer failed while getting the ubuntu-desktop package	04:26
samurai	did anyone think of where the circular cursor is defined under gnome2.8 Looked through gconf and not been able to find it... any suggestions?	04:26
bob2	PyGuy: the shipit site will show you if they've been dispatched	04:26
Kamion	Amaranth: in warty?	04:27
PyGuy	Okay, thanks guys	04:27
mjg59	PyGuy: If you log into the site, you should be able to find out what batch you're in	04:27
Amaranth	Kamion: Yeah, I don't remember what I did to it though.	04:27
Amaranth	I was trying to abuse it and I succeeded.	04:27
mjg59	If it hasn't shipped yet, it's not currently possible to find out how long it'll be as far as I know	04:27
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PyGuy	bob2, do you mind I ask, if you're a paid developer for Ubuntu?	04:27
bob2	PyGuy: I work canonical, but not on Ubuntu	04:28
bob2	er, "work for Canonical"	04:28
Amaranth	Kamion: I think I actaully just hit Ctrl-C while it was installing. ;)	04:28
zerokarmaleft	Kamion, an ubuntu LAMPP bare-bones server setup would be cool	04:28
PyGuy	bob2, good to see :)	04:28
Kamion	zerokarmaleft: would make a good derivative distro	04:28
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deego	hi everyone, how easy is it to go back and forth betwen debian (which i currently use) and ubuntu? just a matter of tweaking apt's sources.list?	04:32
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__learner__	so I just need to: sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server libapach2-mod-php4 php4-mysql and then get the libapache2-mod-php4 on synaptic	04:33
__learner__	?	04:33
Amaranth	err	04:34
Amaranth	sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql	04:35
Amaranth	that should cover it	04:35
__learner__	tx a lot	04:35
__learner__	will I need to change config files of them in order for it to work?	04:35
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__learner__	is there any dreamweaver like editor for linux.	04:37
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BockBilbo	hello again	04:39
__learner__	All I wnat is to draw tables with the mouse.	04:40
__learner__	wnat=want	04:40
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thoreauputic	__learner__: well mozilla composer does tables with point and click, although I guess you have to input the occasional number	04:42
\|QuaD-_	__learner__: nvu is supposed to be uber nice	04:43
thoreauputic	__learner__: I don't know dreamweaver, but moz composer is wysiwyg and OK - it even produces compliant htnl	04:44
ddd	yeah mozilla composer can do that but i'd rather used bluefish	04:44
thoreauputic	er html.... nvu is based on it	04:44
\|QuaD-_	thoreauputic: yeah... i actually haven't used either (i use bluefish) but i hear nvu is pretty nice	04:45
thoreauputic	ddd: bluefish is probably more extensible and suited to people who know a bit of html	04:45
deego	hi, excuse me if i got things wrong -- "universe" has no securtiy support, right?	04:45
\|QuaD-_	deego: they have NO support what so ever	04:46
deego	ok, thanks \|QuaD-_	04:46
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ddd	thoreauputic: of couse it's me a flexible way to both html and php	04:46
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thoreauputic	\|QuaD-_: I have an early version of NVU - it's very similar to moz composer, but I would assume later versions are more polished	04:46
\|QuaD-_	thoreauputic: how many versions have been released?	04:47
__learner__	tx	04:48
thoreauputic	\|QuaD-_: don't know - mine is about 0.2 but I think i'ts up to 0.6 or so now	04:48
__learner__	I'll talk to you latter. I gpotto go. Tx again for all the help!	04:48
\|QuaD-_	lol... yeah that is old	04:48
\|QuaD-_	__learner__: :)	04:48
\|QuaD-_	__learner__: what app were you concerned about	04:48
ddd	is nvu on warty ?	04:49
\|QuaD-_	ddd: no, not hoary etih	04:49
\|QuaD-_	*either	04:49
deego	sorry for being thickheaded: so if i had gpdf from universe, or something else installed, and there was a vulnerability discovered, an apt-get upgrade wouldn't fix my install, right?	04:49
thoreauputic	ddd: I think there's a howto on installing it on the ubuntu site somewhere	04:50
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ddd	yeah i'm look at ...	04:50
\|QuaD-_	deego: it will	04:50
\|QuaD-_	deego: as long as a fix was made	04:51
\|QuaD-_	deego: they just don't support any universe apps	04:51
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deego	\|QuaD-_: thanks	04:51
\|QuaD-_	deego: i have never had a problem, esp cuz ubuntu shouldn't be used on a production machine	04:52
Gomez	Hi Everyone	04:52
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Gomez	I have a small problem	04:53
\|QuaD-_	Gomez: if you don't state it we don't care :)	04:54
Gomez	I have 2 NTFS partions on my dual boot Win/Ubuntu system	04:54
\|QuaD-_	there you go :)	04:54
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Gomez	I cannot seem to get USER access to either	04:54
Tzalidar	use a umask	04:54
Tzalidar	like umask=0	04:54
Gomez	In FSTAB????	04:55
Tzalidar	yup	04:55
Tzalidar	as a option	04:55
Gomez	Cheers	04:55
thomerz	hi, i've a problem, i have no text in my flash in firefox	04:55
Gomez	You are a gent:)	04:55
Tzalidar	i dont know how that setting is from a security perspective	04:55
ddd	the common problem from my friends since i've distributed the free warty cd to them is about howto configure the sound device	04:55
Tzalidar	but it works	04:55
\|QuaD-_	ddd: help them out :)	04:55
Tzalidar	ddd, do they have multiple sound cards?	04:55
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ddd	\|QuaD-_ :as far as I can :)	04:56
ddd	some use onboard soundcard	04:58
Tzalidar	okay	04:58
ddd	something like AD198* chipset	04:59
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ddd	from asus mainboard	05:00
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L1nX	Lo all	05:00
BockBilbo	is it possible to upgrade openoffice.org in ubuntu from 1.1.2 to 1.1.3???	05:00
L1nX	I have a technical query abput Ubuntu's Live CD if anyone is awake/here	05:00
\|QuaD-_	Linsure	05:01
\|QuaD-_	BockBilbo: warty or hoary?	05:01
L1nX	I can only run it on 640x480 res on my Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop	05:01
BockBilbo	warty	05:02
bob2	L1nX: please file a bug with the output of 'lspci', 'lspci -n' and 'dmesg'.	05:02
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L1nX	is there anyway to change it to at least 800x600 now or something?	05:02
\|QuaD-_	BockBilbo: warty is frozen	05:02
\|QuaD-_	bob2: you are a developer right?	05:02
Gomez	Tzalidar: Thanks... All working.	05:02
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BockBilbo	\|QuaD-, is that why i cannot upgrade??	05:03
bob2	\|QuaD-_: I work for canonical but not on ubuntu	05:03
bch	\part	05:03
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\|QuaD-_	BockBilbo: kinda..... they only upgrade for security reasons (i think)	05:03
bob2	BockBilbo: warty will not get a new version of openoffice, sorry	05:03
\|QuaD-_	bob2: maybe you can still answer my question	05:03
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\|QuaD-_	bob2: do the developers keep any sort of public log books	05:04
\|QuaD-_	to show what they are workign on?	05:04
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BockBilbo	so..	05:04
bob2	\|QuaD-_: ubuntu-devel@lists.u.o and http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/ basically	05:04
BockBilbo	what do i have to change in the sources.list to change to hoary ??	05:04
bob2	(it's being discussed right here now)	05:04
BockBilbo	just delete warty and add hoary???	05:04
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bob2	BockBilbo: change 'warty' to 'hoary'	05:05
Kamion	\|QuaD-_: thanks for bringing that up, Mark says "that's a really good point"	05:05
BockBilbo	ok	05:05
\|QuaD-_	Kamion: what is?	05:05
BockBilbo	just like in debian	05:05
Kamion	\|QuaD-_: we do keep private logs, but hopefully we'll be turning those into public weblogs soonish	05:05
\|QuaD-_	bob2: but they don't have like a log book on what they are working on for the day or something?	05:05
\|QuaD-_	Kamion: :)	05:05
catdog	BockBilbo: I would say only go to hoary if you really need to though...	05:05
\|QuaD-_	Kamion: thanks	05:05
\|QuaD-_	BockBilbo: remember, if you go to hoary, things will break (my system won't boot x now)	05:06
L1nX	Could I change the XFree configuration. I will have to edit it every restart though. How could/should I do that?	05:06
BockBilbo	mmm	05:06
BockBilbo	:s	05:06
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BockBilbo	:S	05:06
BockBilbo	ok...	05:06
\|QuaD-_	and no one can fix it yet (i don't htink)	05:07
BockBilbo	so its not like switching from sarge to sid	05:07
BockBilbo	right?	05:07
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\|QuaD-_	BockBilbo: no idea	05:07
BockBilbo	ok...	05:07
BockBilbo	i wont change from now	05:07
bob2	it's like woody to sid	05:07
BockBilbo	wow	05:07
BockBilbo	ok...	05:07
\|QuaD-_	Kamion: while i have you in here, is there any progress in plans for a kde release?	05:07
BockBilbo	isnt there a testing version???	05:07
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\|QuaD-_	BockBilbo: not on ubuntu	05:07
BockBilbo	ok	05:07
BockBilbo	so i will keep warty	05:08
\|QuaD-_	BockBilbo: i don't see the point in 3 versions	05:08
BockBilbo	me either	05:08
\|QuaD-_	all you need is a stable and unstable	05:08
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Rocha	Hello	05:08
BockBilbo	by the way	05:08
Riddell	\|QuaD-_: doesn't seem to be any progress on a KDE release	05:08
BockBilbo	i have a problem with wifi in ubunru	05:08
BockBilbo	the wiki says that the intel pro wireless 2200BG card its totally supported	05:08
BockBilbo	even in the installer	05:09
\|QuaD-_	Riddell: alright thanks, i iwll keep waiting and crossing my fingers	05:09
BockBilbo	and it seens that ubuntu has detected it... but it doesnt work	05:09
BockBilbo	do you know what could be the problem?	05:09
bob2	I'm pretty sure it only recently got support	05:09
Kamion	\|QuaD-_: we need community help for that	05:10
BockBilbo	well.. i downloaded and installed ubuntu yesterday	05:10
bob2	waryt was frozen in october	05:11
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Rocha	Someone here using gdesklets?	05:11
BockBilbo	see this: Intel	05:11
BockBilbo		05:11
BockBilbo	PRO/Wireless 2200 (Centrino)	05:11
BockBilbo		05:11
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BockBilbo	ipw2200	05:11
\|QuaD-_	Kamion: in what ways?	05:11
catdog	Rocha: hi. yes.	05:11
BockBilbo		05:11
BockBilbo	Yes	05:11
BockBilbo		05:11
bob2	BockBilbo: er, the chipset is plenty of information	05:11
BockBilbo	Yes	05:11
BockBilbo		05:11
BockBilbo	Yes	05:11
BockBilbo		05:11
BockBilbo	Automatically detected since the first installation steps, even asking for the WEP key	05:11
BockBilbo	uff sorrry	05:11
Amaranth	yikes	05:11
BockBilbo	:S	05:11
BockBilbo	:'(	05:12
BockBilbo	i didnt ment to paste that much	05:12
BockBilbo	:S	05:12
Rocha	catdog, i just installed gdesklets using synaptic, clicked on the "Applications->Accessories->gDesklets" but nothing happens.	05:12
Rocha	catdog, am i missing something?	05:12
BockBilbo	rocha, you have to load the displays	05:12
Amaranth	I thought Centrino needed that Project Evil wrapper thing for the Windows driver	05:12
Rocha	BockBilbo, from the command line?	05:12
paulproteus	ndiswarper ? ;)	05:12
paulproteus	No, there are native Centrino drivers these days.	05:12
paulproteus	ipw2200.sf.net	05:12
BockBilbo	Rocha, did you get the gdesklet data???	05:12
Amaranth	oh yeah, Project Evil is the name for the FreeBSD version	05:12
Rocha	BockBilbo, yup	05:12
catdog	Rocha: Okay, now get some displays (called - xxxx.display), then load them with gdesklets	05:13
Kamion	\|QuaD-_: Canonical only have the resources to deal with one desktop environment, but if people want a KDE version of Ubuntu - and they do - we'd welcome it, and we have tools in progress that will help out people who want to create derivatives	05:13
BockBilbo	seee	05:13
Rocha	I'll try.	05:13
BockBilbo	catdog, the displays come with the gdesklets.data	05:13
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bob2	Amaranth: no, they just require binary-only firmware blobs	05:13
BockBilbo	just go to	05:13
\|QuaD-_	Kamion: ohhh, i got it.... how did Canonical chose gnome over kde?	05:13
catdog	BockBilbo: Ahha, righto	05:13
wood1	Hi everybody	05:13
Amaranth	Kamion: You're guys are going to release the tools you use to brand GNOME and etc, right?	05:13
BockBilbo	/usr/share/gdesklets/Displays	05:13
Kamion	\|QuaD-_: well, we employ the GNOME release manager ... :-) I think it was originally because their release process was a good fit for what we wanted too	05:14
Kamion	Amaranth: vi ... :-)	05:14
BockBilbo	Rocha go to /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays	05:14
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Kamion	Amaranth: at least that's how I'm branding the installer right now	05:14
Amaranth	Kamion: Yeah but I heard you have scripts setup to do it.	05:14
wood1	I just update my Kernel Image from linux-386 to linux-686	05:14
Kamion	Amaranth: but ultimately yeah	05:14
\|QuaD-_	Kamion: makes sense :)	05:14
BockBilbo	paulproteus, are you running ipw2200 ???	05:14
wood1	Can I remove the linux-386 kernel image ?	05:14
Kamion	Amaranth: if we have branding tools nobody's told me	05:14
Amaranth	heh	05:14
paulproteus	BockBilbo: No, but a housemate was earlier.	05:14
Kamion	Amaranth: we have merging tools, and I think we'll be releasing those eventually	05:15
wood1	So can I remove the linux-386 image ?????	05:15
BockBilbo	oh... and did he install it in ubuntu??	05:15
Kamion	don't know the details of that though	05:15
paulproteus	No, Debian proper.	05:15
BockBilbo	ohh	05:15
BockBilbo	ok	05:15
Kamion	wood1: only after you've rebooted into linux-686	05:15
arle	Hi, there...	05:15
Amaranth	Kamion: All the stuff for GNOME is hand editted too?	05:15
arle	Does anyone have an Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)?	05:15
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Kamion	Amaranth: don't know the details of that, sorry	05:15
Amaranth	the gdm theme, the gnome theme, the backgrounds, etc	05:15
wood1	Yes I have Kamion	05:15
Rocha	BockBilbo, $gdesklets ???.display ?	05:15
HcE	arle: yes	05:15
BockBilbo	i think so	05:15
Kamion	Amaranth: AFAIK that's all by hand, but I could be wrong	05:15
palle1	can i install Windows XP after i have installed Ubuntu???	05:15
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arle	HcE: working...? :-\	05:16
wood1	So can I remove the linux-386 iamge ????	05:16
HcE	arle: listening on musing from it right now	05:16
Kamion	wood1: should be able to, yeah	05:16
the_gummibear	damnit, that's an idea :p let's install those gdesklets again :)	05:16
catdog	Rocha: or right click a *.display and find gdesklets	05:16
Amaranth	2.9 changed the menu system to be fd.o complient and now i can't open nautilus without using a terminal	05:16
wood1	OK, thanks	05:16
arle	HcE: wonderful! I wrote to the list minutes ago	05:16
paulproteus	palle1: Windows may overwrite your Linux bootloader if you install to the same hard drive.	05:16
HcE	arle: I run my own compiled 2.6.8.1 kernel	05:16
wood1	Hey Amaranth, I thought that you were using Warty ?	05:17
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Amaranth	ha, nope	05:17
paulproteus	palle1: It is possible, of course, to recover it; it's a trip to the install CD's command-line that you probably aren't interested in.	05:17
arle	HcE: I see.... What about the default kernel? Were you abel to use the sndcard with it?	05:17
palle1	paulproteus: yes that's what happened last time i installed it... so how can i do if i need to install windiws?	05:17
wood1	Where did the 2.9 thing	05:17
Amaranth	i live on the edge :)	05:17
wood1	come from	05:17
Amaranth	wood1: GNOME 2.9 is in hoary	05:17
HcE	arle: Don't know, I always fiddle thing the way I like them	05:17
wood1	Well it was you who told me to switch back my Hoary machine to Warty and now you are using Hoary yourself	05:17
arle	HcE: sorry... what's 'fiddle'? :(	05:18
HcE	arle: but you should be able to get it to work, think I used some standard Intel driver	05:18
Amaranth	I've used hoary since day 2 of using Ubuntu.	05:18
palle1	paulproteus: how can i do?? is it much work?	05:18
wood1	I think it's 2.9.2 now	05:18
HcE	arle: mess around or something	05:18
Amaranth	I told you to switch back to warty because you don't know what you're doing. :P	05:18
wood1	Hey, what about you ???	05:18
Rocha	BockBilbo, starterbar has some visual bugs!	05:18
paulproteus	palle1: It's not much work, no. I suggest you ask for specific directions in #debian.	05:19
Amaranth	wood1: I know how to solve most of the problems I get.	05:19
wood1	How do you know that you are 100% sure that you have understood the full aspect of Ubuntu Linux	05:19
arle	HcE: I have started a thread in the ubuntu-users list just a few minutes ago	05:19
palle1	paulproteus: okay thnx	05:19
arle	There I dump my lsmod and lspci	05:19
HcE	arle: I think I use "Intel i8x0/MX440, SiS 7012; Ali 5455; NForce Audio; AMD768/8111"	05:19
wood1	Well an average Linux User knows 0.5 % of Linux	05:19
Amaranth	wood1: I don't, but I know how to apply cheap hacks and milk the dpkg system for all it's worth.	05:19
wood1	If you know 2 - 3 % of Linux then you are Linus Travolds	05:20
Amaranth	wood1: Linux is the kernel	05:20
BockBilbo	Rocha, some dont work properly, i know	05:20
arle	HcE: How can I change that? I miss Debian's modconf :(	05:20
wood1	I Know but I am giving the idea	05:20
Rocha	BockBilbo, i think the sticky notes is not available from the package, i have to download it myself.	05:20
wood1	But the Kernel is the heart of the GNU/Linux itself	05:21
BockBilbo	www.gdesklets.org	05:21
wood1	Without it, Linux is dead	05:21
BockBilbo	i think	05:21
Amaranth	wood1: Without Linux Linux is dead. That makes sense.	05:21
HcE	arle: the module is named snd-intel8x0	05:21
wood1	Without the kernel, Linux is dead	05:21
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Amaranth	wood1: Linux _is_ the kernel.	05:21
arle	HcE: lsmod shows it at 1st place	05:22
arle	snd_intel8x0 33068 3	05:22
the_gummibear	hmm, i can't get on gdesklets.org :s	05:22
wood1	Well I really want to see Mark Rosonivich and Linus Travolds in a debate	05:22
iz	thirst there was linux after that people where born	05:22
daniels	ok, guys, offtopic.	05:22
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Amaranth	wood1: Did you see the link I gave you for ClusterKnoppix?	05:23
\|QuaD-_	daniels/kamion/any other dev: i don't know who runs the wiki/howto's but it might be worthwhile to put a "screen" how to... its amazingly simple to use yet extremely powerful	05:23
bob2	\|QuaD-_: anyone can add pages	05:23
wood1	Well I booted my PC with the 686 linux before I could go there	05:23
wood1	Can I have the link again	05:24
\|QuaD-_	bob2: ohh... didn't know that	05:24
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Amaranth	Basically it's supposed to be as easy as hooking the machines to the same network and booting them from the CD.	05:24
wood1	But that link applis to Knoppix Linux, doesn't it	05:24
Amaranth	http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/	05:24
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wood1	Well I have to run Knoppix Live CD for that	05:26
bob2	this is kinda off-topic, too	05:26
scottie_z	So, I've just installed Ubuntu, and thinking I'd like to contribute somehow. What would be the best way to share my installation experience, and be a part of package inclusion discussions and stuff? Mailing list? Forums? Here? Do I just post things all at once, or break them down into categories? How does this "community" thing work?	05:27
bob2	scottie_z: writing to ubuntu-users could be good.	05:28
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wasabi_	Can one install ubuntu from the live cd?	05:39
wasabi_	Is the installation program on i?	05:39
bob2	no	05:39
wasabi_	=(	05:39
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wasabi_	Should drop that on there.	05:39
bob2	that's what the install cd is for	05:39
bob2	it's a big change	05:39
bob2	(to d-i)	05:39
MarcN	I'm installing ubuntu behind a firewall and skipping the grub install (but continuing) How do I get X configured? dpkg-reconfigure -a doesn't pick it up.	05:40
Kamion	wasabi_: we've got a live CD redesign in progress to possibly allow for that	05:40
bob2	MarcN: it will be configured during the install...	05:41
Kamion	wasabi_: it's completely impossible with the way the live CD works at the moment; it's not just "drop that on there", I'm afraid	05:41
MarcN	bob2: I've completed the install, but no X.	05:41
Kamion	but Matt's working on having the live CD work using the first half of d-i to do its hardware detection, which may let them merge at least on a DVD	05:42
bob2	MarcN: did the second stage urn?	05:42
melter\|work	is it possible to tell the installer to use a swap partition?	05:42
MarcN	ah, dpkg-recofigure xserver-xfree86	05:42
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wasabi_	Kamion: i'd be fine with only netinstall.	05:42
wasabi_	I know that's not ideal.	05:42
Rocha	BockBilbo, i can't install displays :(	05:42
Rocha	BockBilbo, i followed the instructions but it keeps saying that i didn't install the sensor	05:43
MarcN	bob2: the thing is I skipped the grub stage. Completed and backup. manually added eth0, set proxies and then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade	05:43
bob2	so the second bit didn't run	05:44
bob2	dunno how to run that, colin would know	05:44
Simira	people's working too hard here, update/upgrade takes too long!	05:44
\|QuaD-_	so i have a question. i currently have a gtk only system, don't use kdelibs. if i install programs like kopete/kpim/etc will the performance of my computer take a hit?	05:45
Ng	\|QuaD-_: not really	05:45
\|QuaD-_	would htose programs run just as fast under gnome?	05:45
MarcN	bob2: i'm in a long concall and figured it would be worth a go. i'll reinstall on this laptop at home with out the proxy needs. I previously had ubuntu on this lappy previously.	05:45
Ng	\|QuaD-_: it'll just use a bit more RAM for the KDE libs	05:46
\|QuaD-_	heh ok... are you sure about that?	05:46
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MarcN	bob2: i didn't see an opportunity to set proxies.	05:47
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alexissoft	hi	05:48
wood1	Can somebody give me ideas to install openMosix in Ubuntu ?	05:48
Ng	\|QuaD-_: yes. Unless you are seriously short of Hard Disk and/or RAM, it'll be just as fast	05:49
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\|QuaD-_	Ng: 1 gig ram (usually using ~200-400 mb, and 240gig hd :)	05:49
Ng	\|QuaD-_: yeah, that should be fine ;)	05:49
spacedman	wood1: first install ubuntu, then go to #openmosix :)	05:49
wood1	Well Ubuntu is already installed	05:50
\|QuaD-_	Ng: it is soo tempting	05:50
spacedman	wood1: now you just need to install an openmosix kernel...	05:50
Ng	\|QuaD-_: what was it you wanted to install?	05:50
Kamion	wasabi_: unfortunately when I say that the live CD is really tight on space, I do mean it :) the netboot install won't fit, I don't think	05:50
\|QuaD-_	all my kde apps :)	05:50
\|QuaD-_	lol	05:50
Ng	\|QuaD-_: hehe, well you will probably notice that things don't integrate as well	05:51
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wood1	Well how do I install a openmosix kernel patch for Ubuntu ?	05:51
wasabi_	Kamion: heh.	05:51
\|QuaD-_	i switched from debian (after 4 years) always using kde	05:51
\|QuaD-_	haven't put any on	05:51
Ng	\|Quad-_: I've only really gotten into the mixing KDE/Gnome scenario for one-off apps like K3B	05:51
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\|QuaD-_	but i miss kpim, kdevelop, etc	05:51
Ng	\|QuaD-_: perhaps a distro with KDE in it would be more sensible then? ;)	05:52
\|QuaD-_	Ng: i normally would have said that, i wanted to see what the hype about ubuntu was all about. I am thoroughly impressed	05:52
\|QuaD-_	(other than the gnome part)	05:52
\|QuaD-_	i have been using the mozilla apps instead of kpim and that is decent (i don't like evolution)	05:53
wood1	Well I guess that Nobody at #openmosix knows how to install openMosix in Ubuntu	05:53
\|QuaD-_	kdevelop, well have been using c# and vs.net... so there that goes	05:53
wood1	I went there in vain	05:53
\|QuaD-_	and i am getting used to the interface	05:54
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Ng	wood1: perhaps a distro better suited to openmosix then?	05:54
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Ng	just because ubuntu is impressive or cool doesn't mean it's necessarily the right tool for a specific job :)	05:54
zerokarmaleft	\|QuaD-_ how you running vs.net? through wine or vmware or what?	05:54
\|QuaD-_	zerokarmaleft: even better... it is something called windowsXP :)	05:55
\|QuaD-_	i have windows in my lab	05:55
zerokarmaleft	dual boot then	05:55
zerokarmaleft	oh ic	05:55
\|QuaD-_	zerokarmaleft: i don't need windows on this	05:55
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\|QuaD-_	actually i am on a windows pc now (ssh ing to my other box)	05:56
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wood1	Just format the hard disk and install Ubuntu on it	05:57
\|QuaD-_	wood1: why?	05:58
wood1	You said that you don't need windows on that PC	05:58
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wood1	Why don't you install 2 or more Linux distributions on that Machine if you have the hard disk space	05:58
\|QuaD-_	wood1: i do need windows on it	05:59
\|QuaD-_	i have ubuntu on my other machine	05:59
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wood1	Well just dual on the PC with Windows in it too	05:59
zerokarmaleft	dual boot is so annoying	06:00
Rocha	Anyone using the Sticky Notes Display for gdesklets?	06:00
wood1	Having 2 different OSs is better than having 1	06:00
wood1	Why is dual booting so annoying	06:00
wood1	X Server Terminal can take care of the Windows thing	06:00
LinuxJones	Does anybody have any experience with hosting a Bittorrent stream ?	06:01
\|QuaD-_	wood1: i have no desire to dual boot	06:01
\|QuaD-_	my lab pc needs to be windows, it is	06:01
wood1	Amaranth, I went to the #openmosix chatroom but it seems that they themselves don't know how to install openMosix in Ubuntu	06:02
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suix	hi	06:02
\|QuaD-_	my other pc is not required to be anything, so i choe	06:02
suix	Ihave problems installing java can anyone help me?	06:02
wood1	Then what do You want to do with the XP machine	06:02
wood1	Anyway, does somebody here knows how to install openMosix in Ubuntu ?	06:03
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Kamion	(note: "You" is not normally capitalised in English, unless it's at the beginning of a sentence)	06:03
wood1	I need desperate help	06:03
wood1	Well is this chatroom an English language course	06:04
suix	ive descompressed the binary file in a directory called /usr/local/sdk, then I've linked all files in the bin directory of java to /usr/bin also I introducced the paths of the libraries in ld.so.conf and made a ldconfig, but I still get an error saying Error: could not find Java 2 Runtime Environment.	06:04
Kamion	openmosix apparently hasn't built successfully in universe, but you could try building it from the source package in universe yourself	06:05
Kamion	build log is http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/openmosix/1:0.3.4-7/openmosix_1:0.3.4-7_20041027-1923-i386-failed	06:06
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Kamion	looks like kernel header issues	06:06
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derJunior	hi@all	06:06
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defendguin	ive got a problem my usb drive is not being seen when i plug it in	06:07
defendguin	i need to move some files to it like now	06:07
Rocha	"Computer->Disks"	06:07
Rocha	It should appear there.	06:07
defendguin	nope	06:08
Rocha	Maybe labelled as "sda1"	06:08
defendguin	it appears in the hal device manager	06:08
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spacey`ki	my usb drive appears as /dev/sda1	06:08
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defendguin	yeah but mine isnt appearing as anything	06:08
defendguin	ive tried unplugging and replugging	06:09
derJunior	has someone here k3b with unbuntu installed?	06:11
defendguin	must be some issue with the flash drive my other one works fine	06:11
defendguin	but this flash drive works on my other system	06:11
defendguin	go figure	06:11
derJunior	because i can't install k3b on my ubuntu workstation	06:12
derJunior	join #debian.de	06:13
derJunior	sorry	06:13
\|QuaD-_	derJunior: lol	06:13
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derJunior	\|QuaD-: :)	06:13
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derJunior	i can't understand how it doesn't work	06:13
GoldeNArX	ok all.	06:13
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GoldeNArX	can someone help me with mounting a newly installed drive?	06:14
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PotajiTo	wenas	06:14
\|QuaD-_	GoldeNArX: ok	06:14
\|QuaD-_	what driv	06:14
\|QuaD-_	ee	06:14
GoldeNArX	its device hdc and its an ext3 part	06:15
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\|QuaD-_	GoldeNArX: mkdir /mnt/hdc1	06:15
\|QuaD-_	wait how many partitions on the drive	06:15
GoldeNArX	1	06:15
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\|QuaD-_	ok yeah then type that	06:15
zenpod	Can anyone tell me where I can find an Industrial Theme for Firefox 0.9.3?	06:16
zenpod	and wtf is this	06:16
zenpod	-THE-DONE- Hi zenpod - IC YOU HAVE JOINED #Ubuntu - www.geocities.com/the_mad_cow_hackers theres a new web page in the the hacker underground come check us out and sig the book and say hi www.geocities.com/the_mad_cow_hackers	06:16
GoldeNArX	ok done	06:16
GoldeNArX	had to use the sudo command	06:17
\|QuaD-_	now type mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1	06:17
\|QuaD-_	GoldeNArX: yeah	06:17
\|QuaD-_	you have ot for this also	06:17
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Kamion	zenpod: report that on #freenode?	06:17
Simira	did the Language BOF just disappear, or has it moved in time or place?	06:17
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GoldeNArX	says must specify file system type	06:18
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zenpod	Kamion, I'm afraid I don't understand?	06:18
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Kamion	zenpod: #freenode has the network operators, who can kick people off	06:18
\|QuaD-_	GoldeNArX: hmmm	06:18
derJunior	http://www.nopaste.info/?id=79 <-- here ist my Problem with installing k3b under ubunut	06:18
zenpod	Kamion, ahh ok	06:18
\|QuaD-_	what did you type exactly	06:18
Kamion	zenpod: (he should be banned from the network, not just from #ubuntu)	06:19
derJunior	can someone help me?	06:19
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GoldeNArX	sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1	06:19
\|QuaD-_	hmm.... that SHOULD work	06:19
zenpod	Does anyone know where I can find the Industrial Theme for firefox 0.9.3 that comes with Warty?	06:19
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GoldeNArX	hrmm.. any other ideas?	06:20
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\|QuaD-_	GoldeNArX: read the man pages, see how to add a fs type	06:21
derJunior	\|QuaD-: any idea in my problem	06:22
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\|QuaD-_	derJunior: what is it	06:22
derJunior	i can't install k3b	06:22
derJunior	http://www.nopaste.info/?id=79	06:22
derJunior	here are the output	06:22
derJunior	here are the outputs	06:22
\|QuaD-_	derJunior: i dont' run k3b let me look though	06:22
\|QuaD-_	un met dependencies	06:23
\|QuaD-_	is k3b universe?	06:23
derJunior	\|QuaD-: i think so but i don't know	06:23
sladen	\|QuaD-_: yes	06:23
\|QuaD-_	and do you have universe enabled?	06:23
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\|QuaD-_	actually you have to	06:23
\|QuaD-_	have	06:23
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\|QuaD-_	hmm	06:23
derJunior	\|QuaD-: on the link you can see my sources.list	06:24
derJunior	are ther some more options i don't know?	06:24
\|QuaD-_	derJunior: i have no idea why, kde might be broken	06:24
\|QuaD-_	wary or hoary?	06:24
zerokarmaleft	that's weird that it bugs out on installing a simple lib like aRts	06:24
derJunior	wary or hoary?	06:25
\|QuaD-_	warty	06:25
\|QuaD-_	or hoary	06:25
\|QuaD-_	grr wart	06:25
\|QuaD-_	y	06:25
\|QuaD-_	lol	06:25
zerokarmaleft	he's on warty	06:25
\|QuaD-_	i coulda checked	06:25
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\|QuaD-_	yeah i just noticed	06:25
zerokarmaleft	heh :p	06:25
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derJunior	k3b ist the best burn program in my opinion	06:25
derJunior	i need it :)	06:25
AndreiV	I have 2 questions about UBUNTU live cd:	06:26
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AndreiV	1) how do I shut it down (reboot, shutdown -r don't work)	06:27
derJunior	AndreiV: shutdown -h now	06:27
AndreiV	2) what is the root password(i'm using very much su)	06:27
derJunior	shutdown -r now	06:27
AndreiV	?	06:27
\|QuaD-_	AndreiV: just do sudo	06:27
derJunior	AndreiV: there ist no root pw set but you can do it wiht sudo passwd root	06:28
AndreiV	derJunior: I know, sorry, i forgot tyo write now	06:28
piyr	i've heard python was designed to be scriptable by python; how can i make openoffice convert a bunch of .xls files to .csv?	06:28
AndreiV	10x derJunior for 2)	06:28
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AndreiV	but shutdown -r now don't work	06:28
derJunior	AndreiV: i don't like the sudo command too	06:29
derJunior	AndreiV: you have to be root	06:29
AndreiV	is says somenthing like : can'f find (or execute) init	06:29
piyr	s/python/ubuntu	06:30
AndreiV	any ideea?	06:30
derJunior	AndreiV: you can also run the reboot command (as root 2)	06:30
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AndreiV	09:27:33] <AndreiV> 1) how do I shut it down (reboot, shutdown -r don't work)	06:31
zerokarmaleft	sudo shutdown -h now	06:31
AndreiV	i tried these commands from console(I've pressed Ctrl+Alt+F3), and wrote them	06:31
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AndreiV	and another thing	06:32
GoldeNArX	cant seem to figure this out	06:32
AndreiV	on my computer, the consoles are "moved left", out of screen	06:32
zenpod	Does anyone know where I can find the Industrial Theme for firefox 0.9.3 that comes with Warty?	06:32
GoldeNArX	ok.. this mounting isnt working	06:33
AndreiV	and I can't see about 4-5 chars	06:33
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zAo^	any1 who can mirror gaim_1.1.0-1-warty+backportedfrom-ubuntu-hoary1_i386.deb ?!? thanks!	06:33
zAo^	getting @ 650b/s :+	06:33
zerokarmaleft	zAo^, what repos are you getting that from?	06:34
\|QuaD-_	zAo^: from?	06:34
zAo^	repos?	06:34
zAo^	let me see	06:34
Ribs	whoa	06:34
zAo^	http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu	06:34
Ribs	Ubuntu handles my digital camera very well	06:34
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zAo^	Ribs, I cant open RAW pictures (Canon), can you?	06:35
zerokarmaleft	oh, jdong's	06:35
Ribs	pft	06:35
Ribs	This camera uses jpeg	06:35
zAo^	k	06:36
Ribs	industry standard	06:36
zAo^	:D	06:36
zAo^	it's lossy ;)	06:36
Ribs	I don't buy shit that uses custom bollocks	06:36
zAo^	Lol, Canon 1D == crap? lol	06:37
Ribs	Well, I'm not the one who can't read the images on it :P	06:37
zAo^	The raw plugin is crap, not the cam, not the distro	06:38
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zerokarmaleft	wow, the backports repository is sloooow	06:40
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Amaranth	Hey, that's a neat trick.	06:44
Amaranth	Well, I guess that's what all the linux companies do. Create a distro and provide service for it.	06:44
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socomm	I was about to say those `mad cow hackers' managed to get rid of that geocities banner.	06:45
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socomm	Apparently not.	06:45
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zenpod	Why am I getting broken dependancies for mplayer-nogui in warty?	06:49
zenpod	it's never happened before	06:49
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oscarh	anyone who get segment fault with zinf?	06:50
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socomm	oscarh: Yes.	06:50
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oscarh	socomm, checked bugzilla.ubuntulinux.com but found nothing, checked debian to and found just as much.	06:51
zenpod	crap.. maplyer on marrilat's ftp is a newer version or something, and won't install on warty now	06:51
zenpod	great.	06:51
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oscarh	zenpod, whats the problem with mplayer?	06:52
socomm	oscarh: Yeah I'm not too hot on zinf, I was just curious on how it would feel. Unfortunately it segfaulted, and I uninstalled.	06:52
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zenpod	oscarh, dependancy issues	06:52
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GoldeNArX	woohoo its mounted	06:52
oscarh	socomm, loll, worked on wart, but i'm using hoary now	06:52
oscarh	zenpod, any more specific?	06:52
socomm	oscarh: That might be it, I'm using hoary as well.	06:53
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GoldeNArX	now.. samba server	06:53
zenpod	oscarh, one second	06:53
GoldeNArX	but that I think thats a project for tonight	06:53
socomm	zenpod: Exact error message, please.	06:53
oscarh	socomm, still, it schouldn't seg fault	06:53
oscarh	wow, i can really type :(	06:53
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socomm	oscarh: You can try to backtrace it and submit a bug report to ubuntus mailing list.	06:54
socomm	oscarh: I'd do it my self but I'm happy with xmms/bmp/mplayer/etc ....	06:54
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zenpod	Okay, mplayer-custom installed, but when I try and run it, I get Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf	06:55
zenpod	Illegal instruction	06:55
oscarh	socomm, argh, so much work	06:55
socomm	oscarh: TNSTAAFL	06:56
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oscarh	socomm, it aint that important, and bogreports from multivere or whatever is supposed to go to debain	06:56
catdog	zenpod: Have you tried compiling from source? There's a nice howto on the forums.	06:56
oscarh	zenpod, check you config ,P	06:57
socomm	oscarh: Okay, just stick with some other player for the time being I suppose.	06:57
socomm	catdog: Link?	06:57
oscarh	socomm, i guess	06:57
catdog	zenpod: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94	06:57
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zenpod	catdog, ok	06:58
oscarh	zenpod, how do you come up with the dependency problems from the Illegal instruction?	06:59
\|QuaD-_	Kamion: are you at canonical right now or the conference?	06:59
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oik	hi all	07:04
oik	hope someone can help me...	07:05
oik	upgrade to hoary has completely b0rked my box :-(	07:05
oscarh	lol	07:05
socomm	oik: `apt-get dist-upgrade'	07:05
oscarh	reinstall, and distuppgrade from fresh warty is my advise	07:05
oik	socomm: well yes, that's whats b0rked it	07:05
oscarh	did the same	07:05
socomm	oik: Gnome is gone?	07:06
oik	It's a problem with X.org I think	07:06
socomm	oik: I noticed the same when I dist-upgraded a few days ago, fortunately I'm using xfce 4.1.99	07:07
oik	The console is toast, but I can ssh in.	07:07
socomm	oik: Keep going.	07:07
socomm	oik: nVidia drivers by any chance?	07:07
oik	Apparently my active ring isn't flushed (ooh-er)	07:07
Kamion	\|QuaD-_: "at Canonical" doesn't have a meaning :-)	07:07
oik	according to /var/log/xorg.0.log	07:07
Kamion	\|QuaD-_: we don't have offices	07:07
Kamion	\|QuaD-_: (well, we do if you count Mark's house) - I'm at the conference	07:08
oik	socomm: not nvidia, intel integrated video	07:08
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socomm	oik: i81*	07:08
oscarh	oik, remove all x stuff and reinstall?	07:08
oik	Okey dokey...	07:09
oscarh	oik, do you have stuff on it that you really cant and will loose by a reinstall?	07:09
socomm	oik: ummm oik I had a problem with my sisters laptop and the i815 chip, had to flash the bios to an older version to get things to work.	07:09
oik	oscarh: not really, but it's taken over 2 days to do the upgrade over dialup	07:09
oik	so I don't want to do it again !!!	07:10
oscarh	in my experience lots of things will break, esecially gnome and X, if you tweak your warty to much before going to hoary	07:10
oscarh	oik, diaup, horror!	07:10
socomm	oik: You could always download a Hoary ISO ...	07:10
oik	is there any way to back out of the changes and go back to warty?	07:11
\|QuaD-_	Kamion: oh i didn't realize :)	07:11
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oik	socomm: what was the bios versions involved?	07:11
oscarh	socomm, download ISO on dialup?	07:11
socomm	oik: An old Dell laptop, had to downgrade to an older bios since the newer versions fscked with X+Console.	07:12
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oscarh	socomm, but did it work with warty?	07:13
socomm	oscarh: It would take how long? One~two Days? Plus he would have the ISO if ever he needed to install or reinstall.	07:13
mirak	what must I do to use the ati driver with kernel 2.6.9 ?	07:13
rapha	Hey all!	07:13
mirak	is just building the source package of the driver enough ?	07:13
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rapha	Has everybody already read http://www.userinstinct.com/viewpost.php?postid=gnome26review&page=1 ?	07:13
socomm	oscarh: I know the bios worked with FreeBSD, but apparently not with GNU/Linux so I flashed it. I'm not saying this will work in your case, just a thought though.	07:13
oscarh	socomm, just wanted to know..	07:14
bronson	Is there any way to tell the kernel to use a subdirecotry as root?	07:14
bronson	i.e. "root=/dev/hda1,/ubuntu"	07:14
Hammi	hey guys	07:14
Hammi	join www.ubuntu-forum.de	07:14
oscarh	bronson, why on earth?	07:14
oscarh	Hammi, even if i don't know deuch	07:14
socomm	bronson: chroot maybe?	07:14
bronson	I'd like to boot 2 distros from the same partition.	07:15
oscarh	or german meybee	07:15
bronson	Problem with chroot is it means modifying the initscripts.	07:15
socomm	oscarh: Deutsch.	07:15
Amaranth	oh, i see	07:15
bronson	It seems like it should be easy...	07:15
oscarh	socomm, i know, a guard came and asked for id, i paniked .)	07:15
bronson	2 unmodified distros on the same partition.	07:15
socomm	bronson: You can keep all the partitions on a new distro. Just make home swap partitions.	07:15
Amaranth	Ubuntu customized the GNOME menus but 2.9.2's new menu system undid all that	07:15
\|QuaD-_	weird... my second harddrive isn't mounting :(	07:16
bronson	socomm: ?? not sure what you mean.	07:16
oscarh	bronson, you want the same root partition but diferent root?	07:16
bronson	oscarh: exactly.	07:16
socomm	bronson make your home and swap partitions indipendent, and have the two distros have seperate root partition.	07:16
oscarh	bronson, why?	07:17
RuffianSoldier	whats the command to see what version something is?	07:17
bronson	oscarh: so I don't have to repartition this disk.	07:17
oscarh	why not split the partition in two?	07:17
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oscarh	bronson, i guess :)	07:17
mirak	what must I do to use the ati driver with kernel 2.6.9 ?	07:17
mirak	is just building the source package of the driver enough ?	07:17
intinig	does ubuntu have a gui apache2 conf tool?	07:17
Hammi	could someone edit the topic and add the german ubuntu-forum?	07:17
socomm	RuffianSoldier: ALT+F1 then ALFT+F7 to get back to X.	07:17
bronson	socomm: Ah, yes. True. Repartitioning will fix this.	07:17
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RuffianSoldier	socomm ...........	07:18
bronson	Crud.	07:18
oscarh	bronson, i don't know how to do it, and i don't know if it's a good idea	07:18
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socomm	bronson: You can't have both distros share the same root, because they both install different libs/utils/etc.	07:18
bronson	socomm: that's why each would use a subdir.	07:19
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bronson	Same as swaproot, but at boot time.	07:19
socomm	bronson: You can make their respective root partitions small though and just dedicate the rest to your /home partition.	07:19
bronson	true. But that's a lot of surgery on an otherwise fine system.	07:19
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bronson	Oh well. I guess it can't be done.	07:20
bronson	That's a shame.	07:20
oscarh	bronson, didn't say that..	07:20
socomm	bronson: That's what I would do, but feel free to do it your way.	07:20
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socomm	bronson: Anything CAN be done, somethings just take alittle more time+dedications than others.	07:20
bronson	OK, true.	07:20
bronson	Oh well. Guess it would require a kernel patch.	07:21
bronson	That's a shame. :)	07:21
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ddd	hi..	07:23
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Morphalus	since yesterday when i upgrade my warty for hoary, it breaks my gnome, removed shortcuts, menu in english (i'm french), and others shits...	07:23
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oscarh	it's funny, you always feel obligated to say hi before asking something :)	07:24
ddd	ubuntu live seems to me need more resource especially memory..	07:24
oscarh	ddd, it's a cd, it's slow :)	07:24
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bronson	ddd: and it uses a ramdisk.	07:24
jdub_	Morphalus: hoary is under very active development	07:24
bob2	Morphalus: yes, it's the development version	07:24
oscarh	ddd, it needs to steal some ram to make a "ramdisk"	07:24
jdub_	Morphalus: it's currently using gnome upstream menus	07:24
oscarh	bronson, :)	07:24
bob2	Morphalus: please file bugs if no one else has	07:24
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jdub_	Morphalus: should be sorted out this weekend	07:24
zAo^BrB	oke; I have a broken package; what to do? I cant reinstall; remove is nog an option (ubuntu-base dependend)	07:24
Morphalus	yes i know but before 2 years ago the hoary dev was good	07:24
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ddd	yes but maybe it'll need to add some tool for create swap on hd	07:25
ddd	right i created manually	07:25
Morphalus	there isn't a nautilus shortcuts :D	07:25
ddd	right now i created manually	07:25
oscarh	ddd, it should be able to to that	07:25
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Morphalus	computer, etc... : no	07:25
zAo^	how can I reinstall Gaim?	07:26
ddd	oscarh, what is the tool?	07:26
Gwildor\|Work	Morphalus, it is being worked on......we are aware, should be fixed soon......just keep upgradeing, and by soon i mean a few days	07:26
Morphalus	ok :)	07:26
Gwildor\|Work	:)	07:26
oscarh	ddd, dunno really, it asked me if i wanted a cach file when i rescued a old laptop with 64M ram using a ubuntu live cd	07:26
oscarh	haven't tried the live cd since	07:27
Gwildor\|Work	Morphalus, i freaked too, i use xfce4 now, but when i borked that, i went back to gnome and was like WTF	07:27
oscarh	it makes some kind of knopix swapfile	07:27
Morphalus	:)	07:27
ddd	on knoppix there's	07:27
Morphalus	i've one thing to say : ubuntu is a good distro ;)	07:27
Gwildor\|Work	yes it is	07:27
Gwildor\|Work	glad you like	07:28
socomm	Ubuntu is all right.	07:28
oscarh	ddd, called swap (or chach) .knopix or something	07:28
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socomm	zAo^: apt-get install gaim	07:28
Gwildor\|Work	i was thinking of trying out Archlinux, but my love for ubntu wont let me	07:28
zAo^	What happens when I remove ubuntu-desktop????	07:28
bob2	zAo^: nothing, directly	07:29
Gwildor\|Work	zAo^, go ahead............it is safe	07:29
zerokarmaleft	zAo^, nothing, it's a metapackage	07:29
socomm	zAo^: That will reinstall gaim if there is a new version available.	07:29
bob2	zAo^: but it makes upgrades more complicated	07:29
zAo^	Oke, thanks all :)	07:29
Morphalus	normally i use slackware, my prefered distro, but since i use ubuntu i'm convinced	07:29
ddd	oscarh, nope it just came with 'mkswap' and 'swapon'	07:29
oscarh	ddd, but that's for making a swap partition	07:30
socomm	Slackware was a bit heavy last time I tried it. Could have been because of GNOME though.	07:30
oscarh	ddd, it created a swapfile for me	07:30
oscarh	hang on	07:30
ddd	yeah but of course we can make file swap with than tool too	07:30
Morphalus	when you tried slackware, what release was it ? (sorry for my english :))	07:30
Gwildor\|Work	Morphalus, english was fine :)	07:31
socomm	MornHyland: 10.0	07:31
Morphalus	:)	07:31
Morphalus	bad TAB :p	07:31
socomm	Doh!	07:31
oscarh	ddd, go ahead then!	07:32
socomm	Morphalus: Slackware 10.0 + Dropline.	07:32
zenpod	oscarh, I have that apt error for mplayer.. is there a flood channel I can paste it in, or something?	07:32
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oscarh	zenpod, /msg?	07:32
zenpod	ok	07:32
Morphalus	dropline is an entire system lol	07:32
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socomm	MornHyland: I know.	07:32
zenpod	oscarh, pasted	07:33
ddd	i thought it cause ubuntu based on morphix,on knoppix we can crete it auto :) (it's good for new comer:)	07:33
socomm	Damn X^(	07:33
socomm	Morphalus.	07:33
zenpod	oscarh, same error occurs with mplayer-586 too	07:33
socomm	Not MornHyland.	07:33
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Morphalus	i know when you speak to MornHyland you speak to me :p	07:33
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socomm	ddd: You can create your own LiveCD, checkout slax they have a script there designed especially designed for that.	07:34
oscarh	ddd, sorry, i don't really know, but i guess i can look into it in a minute or two	07:34
RuffianSoldier	barn animal	07:34
socomm	ddd: Let me get a link for you.	07:34
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hub	hi	07:34
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ddd	ok	07:35
Morphalus	slack 10.0 is not heavy to use !	07:35
hub	I just upgraded from Debian/unstable to Ubunutu/Hoary	07:35
hub	in gnome, I no longer have workspace switching with ctrl-meta-arrow	07:35
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hub	why ?	07:35
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socomm	Morphalus: Yes I know, GNOME was the more probable culprit.	07:35
\|QuaD-__	hub: at least you have a working desktop :)	07:36
derJunior	someone an idea for my problem? http://www.nopaste.info/?id=79	07:36
\|QuaD-__	kde and gnome are fighting for a file on mine	07:36
Morphalus	i tried use dropline on a slack 10.0, bad result :( so i don't try now	07:36
hub	never had KDE installed	07:36
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\|QuaD-__	hub: me neither	07:37
hub	other than that, works fine	07:37
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socomm	ddd: http://www.linux-live.org/	07:37
socomm	MornHyland: I understand.	07:37
daniels	(onjoin spamming)	07:37
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socomm	Grrrrrrr. Morphalus, not MornHyland.	07:37
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jdub	thanks daniels	07:37
Morphalus	lol	07:37
daniels	no worries	07:37
daniels	to share ...	07:37
ddd	socomm:one of reason I used ubuntu and debian cause they use gnome as default wm :)	07:37
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mos__	whats the format for a hosts entry?	07:37
hub	the other problem is that the wirelss applet says "no wireless device"	07:38
hub	but eth1 is available on my airport carfd	07:38
hub	(it has worked)	07:38
Rocha	How can I know the name of the distribution i'm running from the command line?	07:38
socomm	ddd: GNOME == DE. Metacity == WM.	07:38
Morphalus	the force of slackware for me, it is a distro who i've an entire liberty, when i break the system, i go to back simply	07:39
ddd	socomm, OK :)	07:39
RuffianSoldier	HOw do I upgrade my dependencies to hoary	07:39
RuffianSoldier	I just want one app from hoary repos	07:39
Morphalus	apt-get dist-upgrade	07:39
RuffianSoldier	I dont want a whole upgrade	07:39
billytwowilly	isn't the guy who makes slackware really sick right now?	07:40
RuffianSoldier	I just want to snatch something from the repos	07:40
\|QuaD-__	oddly enough if i try to remove kdelibs4, kdelibs-bin, or kdelibs-data it tries to remove gnome	07:40
bob2	RuffianSoldier: you can do that, but it's not supported and probably won't work at this point	07:40
\|QuaD-__	lol	07:40
RuffianSoldier	bob2 - Just getting something from the repos?	07:40
socomm	Morphalus: You might like FreeBSD.	07:40
socomm	RuffianSoldier: Huh?	07:40
Morphalus	to install the last beep media player i change repos to hoary and after install it i rechange repos to warty	07:40
billytwowilly	quad you're stuck in the same dependency hell I was.	07:40
\|QuaD-__	billytwowilly: how did you fix it	07:40
bob2	how did you manage to get into 'dependency hell'?	07:41
\|QuaD-__	bob2: i am in it now	07:41
Morphalus	and i tried to use freebsd but i had a problem, i don't forget what was the problem	07:41
billytwowilly	\|QuaD-, let me make sure you are in the same situation I was first;) it's trying to remove gnome panel right? Because you had some kde stuff installed, it did an upgrade and failed?	07:41
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Morphalus	i don't forget = i forget :)	07:41
ddd	socomm, have u ever try that live-cd script?	07:41
\|QuaD-__	apt-get remove kdelibs-bin also removes gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-panel gnome-panel-data kdelibs-bin	07:42
socomm	ddd: No but I've tried the Freesbie script.	07:42
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\|QuaD-__	thats not apt-get remove its aptitude remove	07:42
billytwowilly	\|QuaD-, yah, you are in the same situation. It's because of the menus change.	07:42
socomm	ddd: I was thinking about building my own live-cd with emulators+roms but never had the hdd space to do it.	07:43
\|QuaD-__	billytwowilly: if i remove the gnome panel, i lose all the icons i put on there though right?	07:43
Morphalus	but the system of partitionning of freebsd is strange	07:43
billytwowilly	\|QuaD-, I fixed it by going to command line and using dpkg -r --remove-all and individually deleting each of the conflicting kde packages.	07:43
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billytwowilly	\|QuaD-, then I dist-upgraded and gnome fixed itself.	07:43
socomm	MornHyland: Yes it's alittle different, but after awhile you'll get used to it.	07:43
billytwowilly	\|QuaD-, It's a gigantic PITA.	07:44
\|QuaD-__	billytwowilly: do you still have your customized panels from b4?	07:44
Morphalus	i will re read documentations about freebsd	07:44
billytwowilly	\|QuaD-, the menus are completely screwed right now. They are gnome default. I still have my panels, but the applications and actions menu are totally different.	07:44
socomm	Morphalus: Yeah, I think you'll like FreeBSD. The kernel compilation is very easy, and the ports system is a joy to use.	07:44
Morphalus	:)	07:45
\|QuaD-__	billytwowilly: thats why i don't want to do anything yet	07:45
zenpod	is anyone else getting dependancy errors for mplayer-586 from merillat in warty?	07:45
mos__	zenpod: yeah	07:45
billytwowilly	\|QuaD-, well, you can try to use it like it is, but it might be unstable...	07:45
socomm	zenpod: I use mplayer-nogui.	07:46
zenpod	mos__, so basically, I will never be able to install mplayer in warty, since I don't think warty is about to have it's packages updated	07:46
billytwowilly	\|QuaD-, what kde stuff do you have installed anyway?	07:46
zenpod	socomm, same error for me with that	07:46
\|QuaD-__	none	07:46
\|QuaD-__	i don't think	07:46
mos__	zenpod: apparently they upgraded some dependancies and arent on that repo yet	07:46
\|QuaD-__	i had somehting	07:46
\|QuaD-__	i guess i never removed the libs	07:46
zenpod	mos__, yeah. I have no idea what to do about it.	07:46
billytwowilly	\|QuaD-, then just use dpkg to delete the kde stuff that is conflicting. You'll have to do that eventually anyway.	07:47
zenpod	mplayer-custom in multiverse crashes	07:47
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zenpod	so that's not an option	07:47
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\|QuaD-__	billytwowilly: how do i make sure there are no dependencies that i am forgetting about	07:47
mos__	zenpod: well you could add more debian repos as universe but i advise against that	07:47
art	hi	07:47
billytwowilly	\|QuaD-, if you do an apt-get dist-upgrade it will tell you what is conflicting. Don't let it go through with it though.	07:47
\|QuaD-__	before or after i remove the libs?	07:48
zenpod	mos__, so prettymuch anyone who doesn't already have mplayer installed is screwed?	07:48
zenpod	or has to compile from source?	07:48
mos__	zenpod: yeah pretty much	07:48
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zenpod	that.. sucks.	07:48
trans_err	does the vnc server included in gnome include the java client?	07:49
billytwowilly	\|QuaD-, apt-get dist-upgrade first, don't let it go through with it, note what kde stuff is conflicting, dpkg -r --force-all package name, then dist-upgrade again, note what that borked on the kde side, then dpkg -r --force-all those packages	07:49
ddd	ok think it's enough with test on livecd i'll reboot then :) conclusion:not too bad :)	07:49
billytwowilly	Then dist-upgrade again and let it go through. That should fix it.	07:49
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scizzo	seems like logitech x-flat keyboard works fine under ubuntu	07:49
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mos__	zenpod: i belive that there is an app to convert .rpms to .debs and i think mplayer has rpms you could get	07:50
\|QuaD-__	billytwowilly: dist upgrade with a -f	07:50
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art	is it possible to transfer an iptables file saved under Mandrake Linux 10.1 with an "service iptables save" command to a freshly installed ubuntu Installation?	07:50
billytwowilly	\|QuaD-, I don't know what the -f will do. Just don't let dist-upgrade actually go through with it until you get rid of the kde stuff.	07:50
scizzo	mos__: you mean alien?	07:50
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oik	I've found a workaround for my b0rked x.org/hoary	07:51
\|QuaD-__	without -f : gnome-panel: Depends: gnome-menus but it is not installed	07:51
mos__	i think thats what its called	07:51
punkass	this isnt really a ubuntu releated question but:	07:51
scizzo	mos__: alien can konvert rpms to debs	07:51
jo	Hello, I want to use free Java tools with Ubuntu. I already noticed that sable-vm can be used as a virtual machine. But which Java compiler should I use?	07:51
punkass	i have 24 mil line file and i want to get the last 3 mill lines out of it...what would be the best way?....i was going to try a tail -3000000 > newfile.txt	07:51
oik	should I file a bug so that the workaround is enabled by default?	07:51
billytwowilly	\|QuaD-, oh.. apt is already borken then... Do you remember what package the gnome-menus package conflicted with? I think it was kdelibs-data	07:52
eruin	whats that program nano is based on / a clone of?	07:52
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jo	eruin, pico	07:52
eruin	cheers =)	07:52
mos__	jeeezus 24 million lines... thats a big file punkass	07:52
socomm	eruin: pico, which is part of the pine email program.	07:52
oik	jo: isn't gcj the least buggy free java?	07:52
jo	oik, but can gcj ouput .class files instead of native code?	07:53
oik	yes	07:53
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Rene_S	No arabica is the least buggy, used to be Columbian but one too many bugs	07:53
RuffianSoldier	Anyone here use GDesklets?	07:54
Rene_S	I hear that Jamaican Bluemountain is good too but its really non-free	07:54
jo	oik, oh ok, didn't know that. I have always used the Sun VM, but wanted to try the free tools too. Guess Mono's got an advantage here, since MS .NET isn't available for Linux while Sun's VM is. The classpath hackers certainly deserve some respect too ;-)	07:55
punkass	mos__: hehe yes it is	07:55
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art	anybody know where iptables saves its configs in ubuntu? the Directory it was located in Mandrake 10.1 doesnt exist in ubuntu	07:55
oik	jo: also look at jikes	07:55
Rene_S	billytwowilly, pick one and go with it. I was doing coffee	07:55
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jo	oik, I did try jikes, but it could't find the class library... Maybe gcj will automatically find the library :-) Damn I'm spoiled...	07:56
ToTo	http://tilde.homelinux.org/~toto/Gnome-Tormso.png	07:56
Rene_S	Poor actions menu, had to take one for the team this week eh ?	07:57
RuffianSoldier	anyone here use Gdesklets?	07:59
zAo^	can I just do a apt-get update; apt-get upgrade for hoarty? (ATI Radeon)	07:59
oik	jo: what are you using java for, as a matter of interest?	07:59
Rene_S	aww man toto. your screen shot got stuck half way and my wife hit me in the head, she thought the hut tops were nipples	07:59
jo	to work on a program that started as a school project a few years ago... -> Developing :-)	08:00
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\|QuaD-__	ToTo: you running gdesklets?	08:01
jo	oik, I suppose most existing jdk-1.4 programs won't run with the free tools?	08:01
ToTo	\|QuaD-, no	08:01
oik	jo: nope	08:02
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\|QuaD-__	toto: what is the memory meter	08:02
oik	jo: not unless they were written specially to work with them	08:02
ToTo	torsmo	08:02
defunkt	can somone help me install an mp3 encoder so that i can rip cds to mp3s in sound juicer?	08:02
\|QuaD-__	thats nice i like it	08:02
jo	oik, such as Eclipse?	08:02
mos__	i need to go kill my isp....thier dns server is down	08:02
PotajiTo	lol it really look like tow nipples xD	08:02
oik	jo: eclipse does work with gcj	08:03
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oik	but it had a lot of effort put into making it work (mainly redhat). which is similar to being specially written, i suppose!	08:04
eruin	yay, my pretty host :)	08:04
TibiaHater	wow..	08:04
TibiaHater	i removed evolution from ubuntu	08:04
TibiaHater	and....	08:04
Rene_S	PotajiTo, yeah my wife pointed that out with a chatelaine magazine to the skull, she is not helpfull	08:04
\|QuaD-__	TibiaHater: i did that toooo	08:04
TibiaHater	the gnome panel along with gaim also where removed	08:04
TibiaHater	:s	08:04
Benotti	Ive downloaded the firefox 1.0 binary from mozilla.org and I can install it, but how do I install it on top of v0.9.3? (so the shortcut in the menu and toppanel point to v1.0)	08:05
catdog	zenpod: no joy with multimedia howto, then? (re: mplayer install)	08:05
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jo	oik, which Java version is _completely_ supported? Rewriting Eclipse to get it running on gcj kind of defeats the purpose of free java VM's and compilers.	08:05
mos__	TibiaHater: you only have to leave one part on there (evolution-server i belive)	08:05
TibiaHater	but \|QuaD-__ did it remove the GNOME PANEL???	08:05
TibiaHater	i gues...	08:05
TibiaHater	but well	08:05
TibiaHater	i reinstalled the gnome panel and gaim	08:05
TibiaHater	...	08:05
TibiaHater	everything is fine again	08:06
zenpod	catdog, some of the files mentioned no longer exist	08:06
oik_	jo: not at all - most of the effort in getting eclipse to run on gcj was fixes/improvements to gcj, not eclipse.	08:06
\|QuaD-__	TibiaHater: nope	08:06
oik_	... if that makes any sense	08:06
TibiaHater	ohh	08:06
TibiaHater	ok	08:06
TibiaHater	:)	08:06
TibiaHater	anyone here whos into wifi?	08:06
jo	oik_, oh ok I see. That's good :-) I thought they changed Eclipse's source code to get it running	08:07
catdog	zenpod: ah, you're right. The links have changed. However, if you go to the mplayer homepage (sorry, no link, google for it), you'll get fresh links.	08:07
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jo	oik_: mmm...gcj complains about a missing spec file and jikes can't find the class library..	08:08
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oik	jo: jikes needs a separate JRE to work, I believe	08:09
catdog	zenpod: the howto is slightly out of date with the exact version numbers, but otherwise it works okay	08:09
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Nighty	hi! which version of gnome is included in ubuntu	08:10
oik	jo: I am using sun's JDK, not GCJ, so I can't really comment on spec files and suchlike.	08:10
mos__	Nighty: its not the latest one yet	08:10
Nighty	2.6?	08:10
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jo	oik, no problem, I think I'll return to Sun's too for now..	08:10
zenpod	catdog, where do I get the current version numbers?	08:11
Ribs	wtf	08:11
Ribs	every time I use Abiword, it thinks I'm typeing menu shortcuts	08:11
Ribs	when I'm just actually typing	08:11
oik	jo: hopefully the GCJ thing is just a packaging problem, but at least the sun stuff works.	08:13
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jo	oik, thanks for your help. I'm off now, bye!	08:13
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trans_err	does vino have the http server built in?	08:15
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eruin	how would I set the default shell for my user from commandline?	08:18
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eruin	without root/sudo	08:18
eruin	at all possible?	08:18
akabigbro	Hello all.	08:18
eruin	the server I'm sshing into has me set up with tcsh by default, which I'm totally unfamiliar with	08:18
akabigbro	Is there a hardware compatibility list that can be viewed?	08:19
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magneto	any devs around?	08:20
magneto	developers?	08:21
Amaranth	What kind of developers?	08:22
Rene_S	film ?	08:22
magneto	hoary	08:22
magneto	gnome	08:22
Amaranth	uh	08:22
Amaranth	you mean ubuntu?	08:22
Amaranth	GNOME is something different and hoary is a version of Ubuntu	08:22
magneto	uhh no i mean windows xp	08:23
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magneto	The ubuntu devs in charge of gnome	08:23
jab	hehe	08:23
Amaranth	maintainer says Maintainer: Jordi Mallach <jordi@debian.org>	08:23
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Amaranth	whats the problem?	08:25
wood1	Hi to all	08:25
magneto	hoary menus	08:25
Amaranth	yeah, known issue	08:25
magneto	which aspect is known	08:25
Amaranth	GNOME switched to the freedesktop.org menu specification	08:25
magneto	i know	08:26
akabigbro	I just wanted to find out if the D-Link DWL-650+ is compatible with Ubuntu?	08:26
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Amaranth	akabigbro: If it's compatible with one distro it should be compatible for all of them.	08:26
Amaranth	magneto: Ok, be more specific.	08:26
magneto	but that shouldnt have removed applications:/// should it? or right click shortcut addition to menus	08:26
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Amaranth	pretty sure that's a side effect of the change	08:27
Amaranth	they don't have the new system finished yet	08:27
tritium	Is there an "incoming" for ubuntu?	08:27
Amaranth	incoming?	08:27
akabigbro	well, lets put it this way: The Intel Pro Wireless is supported under all of the distributions, but you have to compile it yourself...under Ubuntu I did not have to compile the driver for the ipw1100	08:27
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tritium	Amaranth, where new packages are placed before they're put into the pool.	08:28
akabigbro	ipw2100	08:28
Amaranth	tritium: afaik they just go straight to the pool	08:28
tritium	I see.	08:28
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farruinn	magneto, so says Jeff Waugh: "This is a temporary reversion to the upstream menu layout while we port our changes to the new upstream menu system It's more important that the new menu code is tested than we have our changes present in the devel branch of Ubuntu."	08:30
magneto	farruinn- thanks Im familiar with that just wanted to ask a specific question if I could catch the right person but I will use email and the mailing lists	08:32
tritium	I'm just too excited about evolution 2.0.3 -- this bug is finally fixed: http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=67991	08:32
farruinn	magneto, ok. I think the key word in that e-mail is temporary, so I'm sure the problems that people are experiencing aren't permanent	08:33
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wezzer	greetings from fresh installed ubuntu :)	08:33
\|QuaD-__	wezzer: nice :)	08:34
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hub	wezzer: I just upgraded from Debian	08:35
hub	today	08:35
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wezzer	:)	08:36
wezzer	Ubuntu is very nice	08:36
magneto	faruinn- i know that cmon its the dang dev branch- there are some issues that arent in the mailing list or in the forums that might just be administrative moves and not just things that are broken	08:36
trans_err	I want to run a vncserver to share :0, but vncserver says that a vnc is already running at :0... an examination of my jobs reveals no such thing	08:36
farruinn	vino is your vnc server	08:37
trans_err	no, i removed vino	08:37
farruinn	oh, no idea then	08:37
trans_err	vino doesn't have the java client	08:37
\|QuaD-__	trans_err: i think sharing :0 is difficult	08:37
trans_err	\|QuaD-__, vino did it	08:38
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magneto	farruinn- i know :) but i do appreciate the attempt	08:39
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farruinn	magneto, no offense meant, it's just that there are people of many varying levels of experience/knowledge on this channel	08:41
\|QuaD-__	trans_err: interesting	08:41
\|QuaD-__	we need a ncurses client for thunderbird :)	08:41
magneto	i know farruinn thats why i said i appreciate the attempt - i know you guys are here helping	08:41
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catdog	zenpod: sorry been afk. mplayer's download page is here http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html. All you need do is take the latest source (v1.0pre5), codecs (essential package), fonts (arial, western) and skin (blue). Download them into your home directory and follow the howto.	08:44
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farruinn	I'm having trouble with mysqld. It appears to be listening (I've commented out skip-networking) but it's not accepting connections. I have _no_ mysql knowledge	08:47
farruinn	Any thoughts?	08:47
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catdog	zenpod: as I say, the font pakage's version number varies slightly from that on the howto page, but if you just change the number appropriately it should work without problem.	08:47
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akabigbro	so there is no hardware matrix that I can reference?	08:48
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catdog	zenpod: Also, if you're planning to use mplayer's mencoder to make DivX files, install lame and liblame dev from M	08:49
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catdog	zenpod. bah. ...from the Marillat repos.	08:49
farruinn	akabigbro, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport ?	08:49
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farruinn	aka, I see ipw2100 and ipw2200 listed, looks like people have had more luck with the 2200, or the 2100 hasn't been tested much	08:51
akabigbro	farruinn: that was very helpfull, the DWL-650+ is supported just as the ipw2100 and yes the ipw2200 is; Thank you very much.	08:52
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nowlin	is it possible to get thom's networkmanager to work in debian??	09:01
palle1	can't i burn iso and bin files in k3b???	09:02
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magneto	palle1 iso yes bin no	09:02
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Ribs	iso2bin soon fixes that	09:03
Ribs	Gnome can burn .iso files itself anyway	09:03
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magneto	for bins u need an app to change them to iso's google for bin cue to iso its a commandline app that will -i defer to ribs	09:03
palle1	magneto: what should i do if i wan't to burn bin then?	09:03
magneto	iso2bin	09:03
Ribs	erm	09:03
Ribs	bin2iso :)	09:03
palle1	okay thanx	09:03
Ribs	I knew what I meant :P	09:04
farruinn	Ribs, haha, I was wondering about that =)	09:04
Ribs	I knew what I meant, that's all that matters	09:04
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britt_radiofree	can someone confirm that typeahead does not work in epiphany?	09:09
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LinuxJones	Does anybody have any experience with hosting a BitTorrent stream ?	09:10
\|QuaD-__	LinuxJones: no, but i don't assume its that hard, whats the problem	09:10
painiac	anyone here knows how i can update my glibc? its not in apt-get apparently	09:11
\|QuaD-__	painiac: warty or hoary	09:11
painiac	warty on amd64	09:12
painiac	its 2.2 now should get it to atleast 2.3.3	09:12
LinuxJones	\|QuaD-__, I am looking for some statistical comparison between traditional file transfer methods like ftp and Bittorrent. I need to know how much potential bandwidth savings you gain by using BT over say FTP or Http.	09:12
\|QuaD-__	warty is frozen... so it won't be put into their archives	09:12
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\|QuaD-__	painiac: you can pull the source from hoary	09:13
\|QuaD-__	and compile it	09:13
painiac	how do i do that?	09:13
\|QuaD-__	LinuxJones: hmm	09:13
\|QuaD-__	couldn't tell you there... i don't think you "save" any	09:13
LinuxJones	\|QuaD-__, I know it is going to vary depending on client's behind routers etc.. jsut a head to head comparison	09:13
farruinn	painiac, I think the easiest way is to do it through synaptic	09:13
\|QuaD-__	you still transfer the same size files	09:13
LinuxJones	\|QuaD-__, eh ?	09:13
magneto	linuxjones- google theres plenty of info out there	09:13
LinuxJones	\|QuaD-__, yeah but the clients help with the distribution as well	09:14
Synek	Hm	09:14
LinuxJones	magneto, ya :)	09:14
\|QuaD-__	LinuxJones: you aren't saving bandwith... transferring a 70mb file is 70mb on ftp, http, and bt	09:14
catdog	painiac: Well, you can change the appropriate lines in /etc/apt/sources.list so they read hoary rather than warty, do your upgrade, then change them back.	09:14
\|QuaD-__	i would actually imagine that bt is worse	09:14
\|QuaD-__	but i odn't know for sure	09:14
magneto	tru quad - with loss and errors	09:15
LinuxJones	\|QuaD-__, but the clients help with distributing the data to each other as opposed to getting it all from 1 server	09:15
Synek	Actually if you have a good pipe bt is more effcient	09:15
farruinn	catdog, wouldn't that break his apt?	09:15
Synek	you don't rely on one's server speed	09:15
zenpod	Can anyone tell me where I can find the industrial theme for the warty firefox?	09:15
catdog	painiac: but don't blame ubuntu if things break....	09:15
magneto	linuxjones - sometimes i download 350mb for a 320mb file with bt	09:15
\|QuaD-__	LinuxJones: right	09:15
\|QuaD-__	magneto: i was thinking about the extra connections causing extra overhead	09:15
catdog	farruinn: well, yes :)	09:15
painiac	catdog wouldn't dare	09:16
\|QuaD-__	magneto: i didn't think about errors	09:16
LinuxJones	magneto, that's odd	09:16
\|QuaD-__	LinuxJones: no it isn't	09:16
\|QuaD-__	LinuxJones: there are errors all the time	09:16
catdog	I've used hoary's version of ndiswrapper like that.	09:16
magneto	Linuxjones- no its common	09:16
magneto	moreso with bt than ftp scp http	09:16
farruinn	painiac, I think if you add the hoary repository to your sources.list but then go to synaptic's "expert" preference pane and select warty as the default archive you'll be safe	09:17
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\|QuaD-__	and the bt requires more cpu time, because it does checksums regardless of your preferences	09:17
LinuxJones	magneto, Isn't tracker information also downloaded to get the different bits from different clients. Maybe that adds to the overhead as well	09:17
farruinn	painiac, that way you can add specific packages from hoary while maintaining a warty install	09:17
\|QuaD-__	LinuxJones: this stuff to the overhead is soo small, the point is that a 70mb file IS a 70mb file	09:17
farruinn	painiac, but really I would suggest you just go with what's in warty, I mean it's not that stale	09:17
LinuxJones	magneto, I't research time regardless ;)	09:17
newtolinux	how would i update every package on my system?	09:17
catdog	farruinn: that's essentially what I meant	09:18
\|QuaD-__	LinuxJones: what do you need the data for	09:18
farruinn	newtolinux, sudo apt-get upgrade	09:18
farruinn	at the terminal	09:18
magneto	Linuxjones: is it for server load issues?	09:18
LinuxJones	\|QuaD-__, a project I am working on for later this fall	09:18
LinuxJones	magneto, yes	09:18
\|QuaD-__	what type	09:18
LinuxJones	\|QuaD-__, distribution of lots and lots of data :D	09:19
newtolinux	Reading Package Lists... Done	09:19
newtolinux	Building Dependency Tree... Done	09:19
newtolinux	0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.	09:19
newtolinux	does tha mean im fully uptodate?	09:19
farruinn	yes	09:19
magneto	linuxjones- could be a cheap solution	09:19
painiac	farruinn, i need that lib to install Q3 and ET	09:19
magneto	depending on a few things	09:19
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painiac	wont install on AMD64 with the 2.2 version	09:19
\|QuaD-__	magneto: its not ideal in EVERY situation	09:19
newtolinux	another question, how long does it take to receive cd's orderd at the ubuntu site	09:20
magneto	im assuming the data changes daily weekly - disparate locations	09:20
farruinn	painiac, ok, if there's aren't warty packages for those then you probably want to go with what I mentioned before	09:20
LinuxJones	magneto, I am thinking that RSS combined with BT will work quite nicely, I guess I will goto a BT irc channel and ask some questions. Thanks for the info guys :)	09:20
magneto	quad- of course not- but he obviously wants a nonstandard solution	09:20
painiac	will try it :)	09:20
magneto	gl linuxjones	09:20
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LinuxJones	\|QuaD-__, ftp or http is far too expensive for my limited budget	09:21
LinuxJones	ty :)	09:21
\|QuaD-__	painiac: ?	09:21
palle1	when i try to open an iso file in k3b it says "could not open document!"	09:21
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farruinn	painiac, just keep in mind that's what I would do, not saying I've ever done it ;-)	09:21
AndyR	lo ppl	09:21
\|QuaD-__	LinuxJones: don't forget, people have to sitll have the tracker and fully downloaded fil on there come to seed	09:21
farruinn	palle1, nautilus or cdrecord aren't working?	09:21
magneto	palle1 - choose burn data disc	09:21
painiac	farruinn, doesn't matter, its on a test machine, it it is fuckz0red i just reinstall	09:21
painiac	firt it = if	09:22
magneto	palle1- permissions?	09:22
farruinn	painiac, haha, those machiens are always the most fun!	09:22
painiac	especially since it is not mine :)	09:22
palle1	nautilus is working cdrecord i don't know...	09:22
painiac	its for a friend of my brother, he wanted a new PC but no more windows :p	09:22
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LinuxJones	\|QuaD-__, yeah but I am hoping people will be generous :)	09:23
painiac	so i'm trying out this distro to see if it would be good for him	09:23
MFen	all right, all the howtos are lying. how do you enable nfs on ubuntu?	09:23
painiac	i'm a gentoo user myself	09:23
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farruinn	palle1, if you just right-click on the iso in nautilus you get the option to burn to disc	09:23
\|QuaD-__	LinuxJones: how much bandwith do you need?	09:23
newtolinux	question, how long does it take to receive cd's orderd at the ubuntu site?	09:23
\|QuaD-__	i pay 3.95/month for 5GB and 110 gb of transfer per month	09:23
palle1	aha, ok thnx farruinn =)	09:23
\|QuaD-__	i can hook you up with the guy	09:23
MFen	i've added our network addresses to /etc/hosts.allow, i've fixed /etc/default/portmap and it still binds to localhost	09:23
MFen	what's the problem?	09:23
MFen	o	09:24
MFen	i get connection refused on e.g. showmount	09:24
MFen	and netstat -l shows that the services are bound to localhost.localdomain	09:24
magneto	Quad- what about php and mysql? can I get the info too :)	09:24
LinuxJones	\|QuaD-__, Off the top of my head about 150 gig/month	09:24
catdog	newtolinux: I don't know, but don't expect them anytime soon if you've only just requested (I think the region of 6-8 weeks might be accurate - anyone?)	09:24
\|QuaD-__	magneto: sure pm me	09:24
LinuxJones	\|QuaD-__, wtf, that's incredible. Wherre are the servers located in the US ?	09:25
\|QuaD-__	florida	09:25
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painiac	farruinn, were do i find what to add to sources.list?	09:25
palle1	when i doubleclick on the iso-file it seems corrupted files and folders are named ______ ___ ____ _______	09:25
palle1	or it's suposed to be like that?	09:26
\|QuaD-__	magneto, Linuxjones: instead of talking here, pm me about this, because its offtopic	09:26
farruinn	painiac, just create a new line that mimics the line already there (deb http://archive....) but enter hoary instead of warty	09:27
painiac	oh ok	09:27
painiac	thx	09:27
Muskrat	Suppose that real objects acted like subatomic particals (ie: quantinum physics). Now, you have a manufacturing plant, in which you package toys for Mattel. On your input conveyor belt, you have a random assortment of Barbie dolls and Kens. Half the toys, no matter the type, come with a white shirt, while the other half come with a black shirt.	09:28
Muskrat		09:28
Muskrat	At the first juntion, you have a machine in which will split the inputted dolls into a Ken conveyor belt and a Barbie conveyor belt. At the end of these lines, you package the dolls and ship them out. The stores are happy that the Kens are in the Ken boxes, and the Barbies are in the Barbie boxes, but would like the different Kens and Barbies to be packaged with a label saying if they have a white or a black shirt to make them easier to org	09:28
Muskrat		09:28
Muskrat	When you ship out your boxes to the stores, they soon call back and complain about a packaging mistake. What was the mistake?	09:28
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\|QuaD-__	LOL	09:31
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newtolinux	anyone know how long it takes to ship the ubuntu cd's?	09:33
scoon	newtolinux, a while. some ordered in October and have yet to get them	09:34
scoon	others seem to get them pretty quick	09:34
Muskrat	took about 3 months for me to get them	09:35
newtolinux	:/	09:35
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Ribs	Given it's free, you can't complain :P	09:35
Muskrat	yup	09:36
Synek	;)	09:36
z99tms	Hey folks..........anyone have any trouble getting their dialup working?	09:36
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z99tms	I downloaded gnome-ppp, but it won't detect my modem	09:36
Synek	nope, isdn just working fine	09:36
z99tms	toshiba laptop	09:36
Muskrat	I had forgotten, it arrived and i was like wtf is ubuntu	09:36
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ulisse	Hi all	09:37
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hypa7ia	hey anyone know how to enable incoming ssh on the livecd?	09:39
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Ribs	sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start ?	09:41
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Ribs	sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start ?	09:42
Ribs	(no d)	09:42
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Ribs	I'm just guessing here	09:43
Ribs	prehaps it's not on there at all	09:43
Ribs	shrug	09:43
hypa7ia	i think it isn't :-/	09:43
farruinn	is sshd part of the default install?	09:43
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hypa7ia	nor the livecd	09:43
RuffianSoldier	http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=screenshot6zb.png	09:46
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hypa7ia	nice, RuffianSoldier	09:47
lizdeika	now thats one sick desktop	09:47
RuffianSoldier	TY	09:47
RuffianSoldier	Its BeatrIX Linux - its based off Ubuntu and Knoppix	09:47
hypa7ia	what do you use for the dock?	09:47
RuffianSoldier	GDesklets	09:47
RuffianSoldier	I added hoary repos just ot get it lol	09:48
\|QuaD-__	RuffianSoldier: thats when i upgraded to hoary :)	09:48
RuffianSoldier	Ya BeatrIX uses Ubuntu repos - and its Knoppix remeastered	09:48
RuffianSoldier	its very slick	09:48
hypa7ia	neatoooo	09:49
hypa7ia	i want hoary :-/	09:49
hypa7ia	last attempt trashed everything tho :-((	09:49
Ribs	hypa7ia: Wait until April :P	09:49
Ribs	April fool! mwhahaha	09:49
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hypa7ia	i'll wait till there's a slightly more working installer	09:50
hypa7ia	then do a clean hoary install	09:50
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afonit	if anyone on here is doing the horay updates, does it include inkscape .40?	09:50
BockBilbo	hello	09:51
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Ribs	yes	09:52
Ribs	0.40-1	09:52
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magneto	hypa- im running hoary - no crashes here	09:53
hypa7ia	it wasn't a crash... i was a dumbass and didn't switch to utf-8 before upgrading...	09:54
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magneto	ohhhh upgrade	09:55
theine	what's this new /.dev directory I suddenly have?	09:55
magneto	i didnt dare try that	09:55
magneto	i just backed up my /etc and /home/ and /boot and did a new install	09:55
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hypa7ia	i tried installing	09:56
hypa7ia	but the cd didn't get my lappy's cd drive	09:56
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magneto	hypa - thats weird - im running on a dell now with dvd-cdrw- that could be fixed though hypa :)	09:59
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hypa7ia	yeah, i'm sure it will be	10:01
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\|QuaD-__	i have this crontab listing: * /3 * * php -r "include(dsafdsafds);"	10:10
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\|QuaD-__	i want it to happen every 3 hours, but it happens every minute or so	10:10
\|QuaD-__	and it emails me everytime it happens	10:11
\|QuaD-__	how can i stop it from eamiling me and time it right	10:11
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strestout1_	anyone here? i'm having a big problem with ubuntu since i updated to hoary	10:15
housetier	\|QuaD- to stop from emailing redirect the output to /dev/null	10:15
\|QuaD-__	so just add a >null?	10:16
strestout1_	oh good people are here...since i update to hoary yesterday, when i put my login name and password and hit enter, my entire system freezes	10:16
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farruinn	strestout1_, is this only at gdm or at the command line too?	10:17
strestout1_	gdm	10:17
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Ribs	strestout1_: Which is why you shouldn't be using hoary unless you really know what you are doing.	10:17
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Ribs	do yourself a favour, go back	10:17
farruinn	strest	10:18
strestout1_	yes?	10:18
painiac	farruinn, i added the sources and stuff, but i can't find the glibc-package :s	10:18
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farruinn	painiac, I thinkt he package it libc6	10:18
strestout1_	problem with going back to warty is that my mouse kinda quits working after a while	10:18
padlefot	thats XF96	10:18
padlefot	not worty	10:19
farruinn	strestout1_, try going to pseudo terminal 1 (alt+ctrl+F1) and login there	10:19
padlefot	*86	10:19
strestout1_	it will still move, but i cant click anything	10:19
strestout1_	np...ty farruinn	10:19
farruinn	strestout1_, if you can login there then try to mv .ICEauthority .ICEauthority.old	10:19
farruinn	that may or may not work though because usually if that's the problem y ou get an error from gdm	10:19
farruinn	as opposed to a freeze	10:19
strestout1_	i was hoping there would be an easier fix than going back to warty...i will try that today farruinn	10:20
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strestout1_	thanx again	10:21
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karlheg	Applications \| Multimedia \| Music Player does not work. Is this known? FAQ? Where?	10:22
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Ribs	karlheg: works just fine here.	10:23
karlheg	Here it just hangs and makes no sound.	10:23
Ribs	Does sound in general work?	10:23
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karlheg	This is a fresh Warty install on a laptop with i810 audio.	10:24
Ribs	Do you hear that funky ubuntu tune when you log in?	10:24
entil	hello all	10:24
karlheg	Yes.	10:24
karlheg	Sounds for desktop events play.	10:24
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andrea	hi	10:24
karlheg	Yup.	10:24
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karlheg	I like it.	10:24
entil	do you have time for a stupid question concerning installation from a usb cdrom drive?-)	10:24
karlheg	Ubuntu is what Debian belongs being.	10:24
entil	ie. has anone accomplished this? :)	10:24
karlheg	Does your BIOS boot it?	10:24
beb0s	entil: not me, sorry	10:24
Ribs	enabl: if the BIOS can boot from it, I suspect you'll be okay	10:24
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karlheg	Hmmm... but when linux takes over, it must load driver for that USB CD.	10:25
entil	karl: I must boot from pxe, and it goes pretty well pretty far, it says it mounted root ext2, must be the initrd, but then the kernel dies with VFS unable to mount root	10:25
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karlheg	PXE? So you are net booting, not booting the USB CD	10:26
entil	I tried pretty much anything, /dev/cdrom, /dev/usb/cd, /dev/sd, /dev/sda and all that, /dev/scd	10:26
entil	oh no, that is not possible	10:26
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entil	I must change the root to point to the usb device for this to work	10:26
karlheg	/dev/scd0 ?	10:26
entil	of course I might be able to nfsroot the ubuntu installer	10:26
entil	tried and failed	10:26
karlheg	or /dev/scd	10:26
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entil	but if I do that I must almost certainly recompile a kernel for the installer	10:27
entil	and /dev/scd failed	10:27
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carthikSchool	I need the kernel-source for my version of the kernel-image and it is not in the ubuntu repository. So can I use the debian repository's kernel?	10:27
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entil	I have tried nine roots so far	10:27
karlheg	History Channel on today... really cool shows about AI and Robotics.	10:27
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karlheg	carthikSchool, Probably.	10:27
masquerade	does anyone know if ubuntu uses kernel sources directly from debian or do they patch their own	10:27
entil	but there are some things that puzzle me, like, what does devfs=mount,dall really really mean?	10:28
thoreauputic	entil: the device will have a number (/dev/sda1 or something ) not just /dev/sda	10:28
carthikSchool	karlheg, it's my one and only laptop :)	10:28
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magneto	they patch their own masquerde	10:28
carthikSchool	masquerade, :)	10:28
karlheg	They may be patched for that quiet boot option and perhaps bootsplash.	10:28
entil	I'd also like to know why the ubuntu kernel config is not included anywhere, or if it is, why is it so well hidden? :)	10:28
karlheg	The Debian one will work fine though.	10:28
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masquerade	carthikHome__, sometimes the wording makes all the difference :P	10:28
Kirsch	hey guys, i'm trying to install Oracle 9i, the installer is GUI based but my server doesn't have XFree on it, so I am trying to launch the gui-based installer from my laptop, i am SSHing into the server via ssh -X 192.168.0.10 and i do "export DISPLAY=192.168.0.101:0.0" and try and run it but the installer exits saying could bring up display, my laptop (192.168.0.101) is Ubuntu 4.1	10:28
karlheg	Isn't it in /boot/config-* ?	10:28
magneto	entil hidden?	10:28
magneto	yes	10:29
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cameron45	hey, is there any automated way to get apt-get'ed packages to show up in the gnome menu?	10:29
magneto	yes kerlheg	10:29
masquerade	entil, it might be in .config :P	10:29
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magneto	add them yourself cameron	10:29
cameron45	update-menu does nothing visible	10:29
cameron45	magneto, that's the only way?	10:29
entil	uhm /boot is probably on the cd image	10:29
karlheg	Kirsch, You should not need to 'export DISPLAY=...' since 'ssh -X' should already do that. 'ssh -X root@server' should work.	10:29
magneto	cameron45 unless thats openbox update-menu doesnt do that	10:30
entil	no it's not	10:30
entil	err	10:30
entil	and not on the initrd	10:30
magneto	cameron45 not just OB but flux etc	10:30
Kirsch	karlheg: ok wel, it doesn't seem to be working either way... does my server need something so that I can bring up the GUI?	10:30
karlheg	cameron45, install 'apt-src', fix it by adding a .desktop file, and send a patch to the right place.	10:30
karlheg	apt-src install programpackage	10:30
karlheg	;-)	10:31
entil	hmm :P	10:31
karlheg	xauth	10:31
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karlheg	sshd	10:31
cameron45	but update-menus generates all these nice .desktop files... gnome just ignores them	10:31
karlheg	Whatever libraries the installer program you are running needs to link against.	10:31
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karlheg	See first if you can launch 'xeyes'.	10:31
karlheg	If it's looking at you, your connection is fine.	10:32
magneto	cameron45 compare those to what you have in `/.gnome2.	10:32
karlheg	... or some X application to test with.	10:32
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Kirsch	karlheg: i installed xterm on the server to test it and it says "xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 192.168.0.101:0.0"	10:32
cameron45	they showed up in ~/.gnome2/apps/	10:32
karlheg	cameron45, Ah. Hmmm... not sure. There must be a way.	10:32
magneto	cameron45 compare those to what you have in `/.gnome2./vfolders/	10:32
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karlheg	Wrong display. It should be looking for one on 127.0.0.1:10 or so.	10:33
magneto	cameron45 compare those to what you have in `/.gnome2./vfolders/applications	10:33
karlheg	... with ssh -X.	10:33
karlheg	Make sure the sshd has X forwarding enabled.	10:33
karlheg	(at the server)	10:33
Kirsch	how?	10:33
beb0s	Kirsch: look in /etc/ssh/sshd.config	10:33
cameron45	find . \| grep vfolder shows nothing at all	10:33
karlheg	emacs /etc/ssh/sshd.config	10:34
Kirsch	ForardX11 Yes is there	10:34
karlheg	dpkg --purge vi	10:34
karlheg	!	10:34
cameron45	magneto, i don't have a vfolders anywhere in my home	10:34
magneto	cameron45: applications:/// from nautilus unless you are current in hoary- cameron /home/user/.gnome2/vfolders/applications	10:34
thoreauputic	and of course the ssh -X is an upper case X (seems obvious but it's caught me a few times)	10:34
karlheg	Ok.	10:34
entil	mmyeah	10:34
Kirsch	rather "X11Forwarding yes"	10:34
karlheg	How about 'xeyes'?	10:34
entil	I tried to omit the root= option even, no bonus	10:34
entil	VFS: Cannot open root device "<NULL>" or unknown-block(8,3)	10:35
cameron45	magneto, ok, i see my gnome menu	10:35
entil	does anyone please have the ubuntu kernel config or a pointer to it so I can see if I'm fighting a windmill here :P	10:35
oly	hi, any filesystems supported in both windows and linux other than fat32 ?	10:35
oly	cuz fat32 partitions have to be small	10:35
entil	ohyeah, it gets worse than this	10:36
entil	because usb-storage is a module	10:36
karlheg	oly: vfat	10:36
entil	is there a way to specify modules to be isntalled on the bootparam line?	10:36
magneto	entil what are tryin to do	10:36
oly	thanks karlheg will check it out	10:36
magneto	usb drive?	10:37
karlheg	oly: it's the windows 98 file system... basically fat32 with long file names	10:37
entil	magneto: I boot the ubuntu installer, it loads linux but dies on the aforementioned VFS panic, when I try to install from a usb drive	10:37
karlheg	Kirsch, Any luck?	10:37
oly	okay but can partitions be bigger than 30gb ?	10:37
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magneto	ohhh	10:37
oly	i want to format a 60gb hard disk to access with windows and linux	10:37
entil	and now I should basically know if I must, if I can, nfsroot the installer OR install the usb-storage module on the bootparam line	10:37
karlheg	Kirsch, What OS / Distro is on the server?	10:37
Kirsch	karlheg: nope	10:37
Kirsch	karlheg: RHFC2	10:37
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magneto	entil: have you checked in the ubuntuforums?	10:38
magneto	im sure there is a work around entil	10:38
entil	BUT it would have to do the insmod between mounting the initrd and the vfs death	10:38
cameron45	magneto, so how do i get the debian menus into applications://	10:38
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magneto	so youre installing from a usb cd drive entil - hold on let me check something	10:39
karlheg	Kirsch, 'ssh -X server', 'xterm'.	10:39
karlheg	Does that do anything?	10:39
entil	no bonus on the forums (or I'm blind)	10:39
magneto	cameron: ~/.gnome2/vfolders/	10:40
beb0s	any of you have upgraded a debian/sid to hoary ?	10:40
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entil	sure there are some topics like "Installation error" but they could contain anything and I dunno	10:40
entil	maybe I should read through every message but that'd take too long :>	10:40
karlheg	entil, perhaps you could install 'by hand' using the Live CD?	10:40
oly	looks like vfat has same limitations though it just supports long file names	10:40
oly	so i can not use that with a 60gb hard disk	10:41
entil	karlheg: I wonder if I can even boot the live cd if I can't boot the installation cd any better than this	10:41
karlheg	oly, you probably just need an external server directory over SAMBA ?	10:41
karlheg	Try.	10:41
entil	the funniest point is that I should just get this so far going that my sister can install by herself, it's her laptop and I don't really have time to do the geeky things I'd do if it were my own laptop	10:41
oly	i need a file system supported by window and linux that also supports paritions larger than 60gb	10:42
karlheg	Kirsch, 'ssh -X root@server', 'echo $DISPLAY' ?	10:42
oly	well no, the hard disk is not set up yet :p	10:42
entil	oly: there are tools like ext2fsd or somesuch for windows that allow access to ext3 filesystems; I heard one exists for reiserfs too	10:42
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oly	ah, cool thats what i need	10:42
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oly	i can not use ntfs cuz then i can not write to the partition	10:43
oly	resierfs would be ideal	10:43
karlheg	Anyone get 'network-manager-gnome' to work?	10:43
oly	if i can use it in windows	10:43
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oly	will see if i can find an app that allows this then	10:43
entil	oly: I'm afraid I don't know any more than this, my gut says reiserfs is very beta, and either way, I don't think it's native access, only a browser tool, so be warned	10:43
karlheg	oly, I think you're just stuck with small partition size. Do you need files that big, or just that much space? Why not split it into multiple partitions?	10:43
entil	Yet another Duel Boot/Grub problem <- Duel Boot almost describes my situation ;)	10:44
oly	i could split it just seems silly when its used for media files :p	10:44
karlheg	Can't XP combine drive letters on one mount tree now?	10:44
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karlheg	How big are they? 9.4 Gib, right?	10:44
oly	anyway thanks for help	10:44
oly	do not think reiser fs is beta	10:45
karlheg	Don't tell us.	10:45
entil	usb-storage-device-bootable installer	10:45
entil	oh bugger	10:45
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oly	its part of ubuntu cuz i am using that now :p	10:45
entil	that's MarksHoaryGoals	10:45
entil	+from	10:45
entil	so I guess that's that with that?	10:45
entil	but that's also last edited a month ago	10:45
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magneto	entil try usb-uhci	10:47
entil	magneto: how can I insmod on the kernel commandline?	10:48
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entil	hmm	10:49
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entil	can someone please point me to the direction of the ubuntu kernel config?	10:49
entil	if I can make a new 2.6.8.1 based on that one, I can email the list on how I got this to work	10:50
entil	or hmm	10:50
entil	MAYBE it's included in the actual .deb	10:50
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entil	I'm also a bit tired, it's almost midnight here in finland, please forgive my rambling :)	10:50
ilmari	entil: /boot/config-`uname -r`	10:50
magneto	entil: open another terminal ctrl-alt f3	10:50
beb0s	entil: same time here in italy :-)	10:51
entil	ilmari: ok, I must then download the deb	10:51
magneto	entil: insmod usb-uhci	10:51
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entil	beb0s: I thought you were in +1 of us	10:51
entil	note that the server from which I boot is my desktop debian sid	10:51
magneto	entil: at what point does the install crash	10:51
entil	magneto: that is not good, sorry :P I can not insmod here	10:51
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beb0s	entil: aren't you on CET ?	10:52
entil	it mounts the initrd (or something ext2 as root) and then panics with VFS: cannot find root device	10:52
entil	beb: gmt+2	10:52
entil	if that's cet :)	10:52
entil	I can't remember anything but gmt/utc+-something :)	10:52
magneto	entil: so you get no prompts it just dies right away?	10:52
entil	magneto: exactly	10:52
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entil	a run-of-the-mill kernel panic	10:53
magneto	entil: no boot or press enter option	10:53
entil	I bypassed isolinux with the pxe setup	10:53
entil	append DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical vga=normal initrd=/ubuntu_initrd.gz ramdisk_size=10240 root=/dev/scd init=/linuxrc devfs=mount,dall rw --	10:53
entil	that's what I boot with	10:53
entil	ubuntu_initrd.gz is the same as the standard initrd.gz of ubuntu but iwth /etc/modules added with usb-storage	10:54
entil	but that's no bonus either because this crashes before it has the chance for fs access	10:54
beb0s	entil: it's 11pm here ... (but I'm also tired :-)	10:54
entil	but really, I thank you now and try to do some studies for school.. I will download the ubuntu kernel deb tomorrow and see what I can make of it	10:55
magneto	why dont u try appending usb-uhci which is what the usb-storage uses to connect to any usb device or ohci or ehci	10:55
entil	magneto: where on the bootparam can I do this?	10:55
magneto	"usb-uhci" inline with your other params	10:55
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magneto	then try the other usb modules if that doesnt help	10:56
magneto	usdb-ohci	10:56
magneto	usb-ohci rather	10:56
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magneto	and usb-ehci	10:56
imka	i wonder when the ubuntu cd's will arrive. they'd make great xmas presents	10:56
magneto	different hardware use different usb drivers	10:56
entil	just perfect, the battery died	10:56
magneto	lol	10:56
entil	brb gotta get the recharger	10:56
imka	is there any1 who ordered some and still didnt get them	10:56
imka	?	10:56
entil	magneto: usb-storage should depmod all of them I think	10:57
RuffianSoldier	how do I change the GDM theme?	10:57
magneto	entil: ubuntu's install cd has an issue with usb devices for some people	10:57
entil	append DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical vga=normal initrd=/ubuntu_initrd.gz ramdisk_size=10240 usb-storage root=/dev/scd init=/linuxrc devfs=mount,dall rw --	10:58
entil	that's what you're suggesting?	10:58
magneto	Ruffian- login manager	10:58
magneto	no entil	10:59
entil	usb-uhci yes	10:59
entil	but it is not enough without usb-storage, I'm pretty sure	10:59
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magneto	how come you cant boot normally	11:00
magneto	no bios options?	11:00
entil	the laptop bios supports only floppy, hd and pxe	11:00
entil	and pxe booting per se is a trivial task to set up	11:00
magneto	yeah youre right on the storage part	11:00
entil	but I thank you, I will try to do my version of the ubuntu kernel for this pxe install tomorrow or during the weekend, subscribe to the list and speak there	11:01
magneto	try that- yeah i dont like debian kernels or ubuntus myself	11:01
entil	(there's very little chance that I will ever use web forums that don't use mail lists as a backend)	11:01
entil	I use -cko of kem.p.lodz.pl/~peter/cko myself, based on dr. kolivas' -ck of kernel.kolivas.org :)	11:02
magneto	entil: ubuntuforums has some forums which are precisely that	11:02
entil	magneto: mirrored off the lists?	11:02
entil	EXCELLENT	11:02
entil	I'm writing a program to do this, but it has been idle for many months	11:02
magneto	same here ckoverloaded3 2.6.9	11:02
entil	my approach is a pluggable extension of the enemies-of-carlotta mail list manager	11:02
entil	but now eoc is pluggable too, I should take some time to do some rewriting and new code	11:03
entil	and now I'm digressing and rambling when I should study, shower and sleep at the same time, not do irc or ubuntu :D	11:03
magneto	lol	11:03
entil	thanks again and good night, cya on the list or here on irc later!	11:03
magneto	same here	11:03
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pepsi_	okay, so to upgrade to hoary, i update my sources.list, upgrade, and THEN fix my locale?	11:08
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pepsi_	on my laptop i changed my locale before upgrading	11:08
pepsi_	and it didnt look like i was sposed to do that	11:08
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Kamion	pepsi_: right	11:09
craig	hello people.. Could I ask a question that isn't exactly ubuntu related..?	11:09
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craig	anybody?	11:11
thoreauputic	craig: don't ask to ask - go ahead - if we think it's off topic we'll just flame you unmercifully (joke) :)	11:11
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craig	ok.. I'm trying to convice GStreamer to output files of decompressed music.. This is what I got so far gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location=/music/palookaville/wonderful_night.mp3 ! mad ! filesink location=wonderfulnight.wav	11:12
[nir]	???	11:12
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craig	the problem is.. the file is unreadable..	11:12
[nir]	hello	11:13
craig	I've no idea of what to do next .. heck, I even tried just changing the file extension in hope that it might work	11:13
farruinn	[nir] what's up?	11:14
[nir]	can i use debian packages ?	11:14
[nir]	all fine .. started to use suse today .. and its really suks .. hard to set language and to get gnome .. i think that distro will be fine for me	11:15
farruinn	[nir] , yes	11:15
thoreauputic	craig: have you looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats as in the /topic? I don't know if it might help, but might be worth reading	11:15
craig	O... I have the right plugins installed	11:15
thoreauputic	OK - just a suggestion	11:16
[nir]	ubuntu got a good hardware support. like its auto install 3button mouse,sound card and stuff ?	11:17
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[nir]	?	11:19
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the_gummibear	is there a way to see what files a user accessed on the samba server?	11:20
the_gummibear	cause the logs are only showing when somebody joined	11:20
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shmoolik	hello	11:21
craig	Hey again, just got the solution.. craig: you're outputting raw data, not a wav file	11:21
craig	<craig> ahh.. ok, so if it was .raw	11:21
craig	<Company> craig: if you nwant to have a wav file, you need to add a wavenc element, like ... ! mad ! wavenc ! filesink	11:21
craig	yay! one step closer to a G3b of sorts	11:22
jcole	what env variable do i set to '/usr/bin/gcc-3.2' so make-kpkg uses gcc 3.2 ?	11:22
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[nir]	is there any cdrw program on gnome that compares to k3b ?	11:22
craig	no I don't think so	11:23
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craig	well, not in usability..thats why I'm trying..	11:23
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Quest-Master	How can I make a symbolic link in Nautilus?	11:23
Mabus	Is there anything wrong with mono* in hoary ?	11:24
jcole	Quest-Master: right click a file and select "Make Link"	11:24
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Quest-Master	XD that was way too obvious.	11:24
Quest-Master	Thanks.	11:24
pepsi_	Quest-Master: or control-shift drag	11:25
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confrey	hi everybody	11:29
ficusplanet	I'm playing around with the indubstrial theme to try and make tab-close buttons look better with other icon themes. Is there anyway that I can chnage the style for buttons on tabs but leave normal buttons intact?	11:29
confrey	why can't I see correctly bold characters in OpenOffce?	11:30
GotD0t	confrey: i noticed that, it prints fine but it doesn't display them... im assuming you're using warty	11:30
Mabus	ficusplanet: just use > to select it more specificaly.	11:30
ficusplanet	Mabus, Thanks.	11:30
Mabus	ficusplanet: read the CSS spec on Selectors (section 2 or something)	11:30
ficusplanet	Mabus, Oh, CSS is used in the gtkrc files?	11:31
Mabus	ficusplanet: err.. 5 :)	11:31
Mabus	oh	11:31
Mabus	ficusplanet: I thought it was CSS.	11:31
ficusplanet	Mabus, No, sorry, the config file for a theme, actually.	11:31
Mabus	I don't think you can use CSS in gtkrc, no.	11:31
Mabus	ah, right.	11:31
Mabus	aaah - I thought you was talking about the industrial theme for Firefox.	11:31
Mabus	for some weird reason.	11:31
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zerokarmaleft	Mabus, afaik all the dependencies for mono in hoary haven't been updated to 1.04	11:33
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Amaranth	zerokarmaleft: Most of them haven't.	11:33
zerokarmaleft	Mabus, and 1.05 just came out today but the differences are fairly insignificant	11:34
Amaranth	err, isn't hoary using 1.1.x though?	11:34
Amaranth	or will that not be out before hoary is stable?	11:34
zerokarmaleft	Amaranth, i should hope not	11:34
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confrey	GotD0t, yes, I'm using Warty; I noticed that's happening while using Nimbus Roman, while using some other fonts the bold chars are readble right	11:35
zerokarmaleft	1.1.x is the dev branch	11:35
Amaranth	libgconf-cil libgecko-cil libglade-cil libglib-cil libgnome-cil libgtk-cil libgtksourceview-cil mono-assemblies-base mono-jit mono-mcs monodoc-base monodoc-manual	11:35
Amaranth	thats all the stuff that will get removed from my system is i upgrade mono :p	11:35
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Amaranth	zerokarmaleft: What do you think GNOME 2.9.x is?	11:35
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GotD0t	confrey: you might want to try pulling the MS fonts off the repos so it will default to times new roman	11:36
zerokarmaleft	something i don't want to install again until it becomes 2.10 :p	11:36
Mabus	zerokarmaleft: yes, mono-assemblies-base is the problem now; it's still 1.0.2.	11:36
Mabus	alright, I'll just wait a couple of days and see :)	11:37
Mabus	thanks	11:37
DagaZ	what version of kde is there for ubuntu? and is it possible to use kiosktool with that version?	11:37
def\|nap	kde :X	11:37
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Amaranth	DagaZ: I believe it's 3.3.1	11:38
Riddell	DagaZ: warty has KDE 3.2, hoary has some but not all KDE 3.3	11:38
confrey	GotD0t, I'm not using MS fonts, not yet	11:38
Amaranth	holy crap, warty has KDE 3.2?	11:38
Amaranth	isn't that over a year old?	11:38
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DagaZ	ok.. then the kiosktool should work just fine.. thx Amaranth and Riddell	11:39
Riddell	DagaZ: there are no packages for kiosktool but you're best to use the most recent kiosktool sources anyway	11:39
Bols	hi!	11:39
GotD0t	confrey: theres nothing wrong with them ;-) personally i think they look cleaner... as well as the fact that i LOVE courier new and you can't get it outside of the msfonts package	11:39
PotajiTo	i isntall kde 3.3.1 with debain unstable repos, it works perfect	11:39
Riddell	Amaranth: 3.3 was released in August which is about when warty packages were chosen	11:39
Bols	Does someone know where I can find the packages list included in the ubuntu livecd, plz?	11:39
Riddell	I have KDE 3.3 packages to fill in the missing ones from hoary	11:39
jcole	Amaranth: ya, lol, wasn't gnome 2.8 was over 1 week old when ubuntu released? ...	11:39
Amaranth	;)	11:40
confrey	DagaZ, what's kiosktool?	11:40
Riddell	jcole: that's different since Canonical emply the gnome release manager it gets special treatment	11:40
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Riddell	confrey: nice GUI for locking down the desktop so users can't mess things up	11:41
DagaZ	confrey: a tool to lockdown features in kde.. mostly for cruel admins like me.. or parents	11:41
jcole	the only thing i like about kde is k3b	11:41
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Riddell	DagaZ: for admins mostly, stops users doing things like moving toolbars about, moving desktop icons, browsing outside their home directory, running programmes they shouldn't, saves a lot of admin time for small fixes	11:41
[BTM] gee	someone that plays quake3 ? got some problems with Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem	11:42
Quest-Master	Does anyone here use Codeweavers' CrossOver Office?	11:42
defunkt	yeah i do	11:42
jcole	[BTM] gee: ln -s your open gl libs into quake 3	11:42
DagaZ	Riddell: sure does.. uses it on the internet-caf I am running.. works like a charm	11:42
Quest-Master	It lets you use Adobe and Macromedia's products in Linux	11:42
Bols	ok, I found it : http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.list	11:42
Quest-Master	defunkt: Have you gotten Photoshop 7 to work?	11:42
ficusplanet	Quest-Master, I use it.	11:42
defunkt	yep	11:42
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confrey	what the correct --device to pass to cdrdao to run it from shell? --device 0,0,0 is not working, neither ATA:0,0,0 neither ATAPI:0,0,0	11:42
Riddell	DagaZ: ah, you were saying not asking :)	11:42
defunkt	pm me quest	11:43
[BTM] gee	jcole that should do it?:)	11:43
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jcole	Quest-Master: i've been using adobe 7 for almost a year on cxoffice	11:43
Quest-Master	I'll PM you too ficusplanet	11:43
DagaZ	Riddell: confrey was the one asking ;)	11:43
jcole	[BTM] gee: ya, it's a known issue	11:43
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\|trey\|	confrey, /dev/hdX (depending on physical location of cdrom)...	11:44
\|trey\|	confrey, probably hdc...	11:44
[BTM] gee	oh k jcole tnx man	11:44
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confrey	DagaZ, \|trey\|, wow, I didn't think it was so simple...	11:46
goonie	can anyone help me with errors I get on boot? hw_random and something to do with failing to load floppy drive module	11:46
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\|trey\|	confrey, :) thank 'ide-cd' :)	11:46
\|trey\|	goonie, what do the errors say? do you know the module for your floppy drive?	11:48
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goonie	I do not have a floppy drive.. how to I remove this module from boot?	11:49
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jcole	[BTM] gee: 'glxinfo' reports direct rendering right?	11:49
\|trey\|	goonie, add the module to /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist	11:49
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\|trey\|	goonie, ahh... /etc/hotplug/blacklist ... sorry	11:50
[BTM] gee	jcole of course	11:50
[BTM] gee	think its what you said before	11:50
[BTM] gee	with the link to the quake3	11:50
cbkm	Hi, don't suppose someone can answer a quick question for me... What apt source do I need to get teh libasound2-dev package?	11:50
confrey	help! I dont' know what's happened, but xmms is not working; it was working yesterday, now, running it form shell, I have this msg : cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory	11:51
confrey	Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!	11:51
catdog	cbkm: an apt-cache policy tells me it's in main	11:52
\|trey\|	cbkm, doesn't say... I see the package though... wouldn't make sense for it to not be in main :/	11:52
\|trey\|	confrey, why do you use XMMS?	11:52
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\|trey\|	confrey, shudder @ gtk1.2 :(	11:53
confrey	I like it, it's all	11:53
goonie	trey: I added floppy to my blacklist.. now the other error seems to have something to do with the keyboard since the icelandic layout is not working	11:53
\|trey\|	confrey, beep-media-player or zinf	11:53
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confrey	\|trey\|, ok I'll try them, but why my xmms is not working now!	11:54
cbkm	catdog/\|trey\|: oh, whoops, my mistake... :( - I only uncommented the warty-security lines O:)	11:54
cbkm	...thanks ;)	11:54
\|trey\|	goonie, ahh... 'dpkg-reconfigure base-config', should give you the same question as during install related to that...	11:54
catdog	nw :)	11:54
\|trey\|	confrey, who knows.. I don't like that app :/	11:54
\|trey\|	confrey, I avoid gtk1.2 like the plague...	11:55
\|trey\|	Ugliest toolkit after Motif ever...	11:55
goonie	i installed warty on 2 acer laptops and only one of them failed on the icelandic layout.. the other one works fine	11:55
\|trey\|	goonie, why are you saying this? just go reconfigure it...	11:56
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\|trey\|	goonie, dpkg-reconfigure debconf first and make it ask "low" priority questions...	11:57
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:olorin] : FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ \| Wiki:
olorin	http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ \| Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ \| Bugs:	11:57
olorin	http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ \| CDs order before 12th Nov have been shipped, you can still	11:57
olorin	order CDs \| For MP3 etc info: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats \|	11:57
olorin	Please use http://paste.plone.org \| Yes the actions menu is getting fixed	11:57
Quest-Master	jcole and ficusplanet: My serial number won't work when I am trying to set it up, no matter what.	11:58
goonie	thx trey, i'll figure this out :)	11:58
\|trey\|	Thing is, I just told him how to fix it :/	11:58
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