ermopadlefot, certainly not the rest of #ubuntu :S12:00
Q-collective|trey|: now you did an LFS? wow, who didn't do an LFS these days :\12:00
f0rdgah using LFS gonna make the 31337est distro ever12:00
f0rdit screws up the makefiles on purpose12:00
f0rdand puts binaries in random locations12:00
Q-collectiveyes ofcourse12:00
f0rdand than you can use it and say you're elite12:00
ViN86|trey| i never said you were stupid12:00
f0rdall the debian users would go for it12:00
Q-collectiveit brakes to make things educational12:00
glauber_sphi! did anyone already have problem to insert quotes (simple and double) into java programs? I cannot insert " caracter, but only in java apps. I use gentoo, but I was told it happens to other distros. Can anyone help?12:00
f0rdmy qotd from earyler12:01
|trey|f0rd, it puts everything where you tell it... slack is LFS but using what someone else configured  :/12:01
Q-collectiveGentoo! :p12:01
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stellablackubuntu-italy exist?12:02
f0rd|trey| it was mainly a dig at debian users12:02
Q-collectiveglauber_sp: distro has nothing to do with java programming12:02
padlefothow bout we mock Microsoft rather than fighting about who has the 31337est linux distro?..12:02
padlefotfu bill elns12:02
padlefotgood night12:02
f0rdi use an lfs  based distro myself and it apwns gentoo12:02
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ViN86padlefot: hahahaha good point12:02
|trey|f0rd, yopper? ahhaha12:02
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Q-collectivenight padlefot12:03
padlefotsee you folx =)12:03
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f0rduname[Linux h3knix 2.6.7-h3knix #11 Mon Nov 15 23:39:24 MST 2004 i686 AuthenticAMD unknown GNU/Linux] 12:03
Q-collectiveViN86: already?12:03
ViN86yea, its the old z100 model12:03
ViN86only takes so much bullshit ;P12:03
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Q-collectiveey padlefot, long time man!12:04
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padlefotjust found out i was too lame to read BitchX.doc12:04
|trey|f0rd, other then that you're not using a pre-compiled kernel... that means nothing  :/12:04
|trey|padlefot, bitchx is lame... IRSSI  8)12:04
padlefoti can see what ur writing, cant i?12:04
f0rd|trey| custom init12:04
Q-collective|trey|: no saying you build your own LFS, that means something...12:04
ViN86and to think all this would have never started if my bro hadnt given me an ubuntu cd12:05
ViN86destiny? or chance? *creepy twilight zone music*12:05
Q-collective<padlefot> i can see what ur writing, cant i? <-- yeah, it's a great invention, we like to call ir irc :)12:05
aroseone line in apt.conf did it, thanks for the help12:05
padlefotwow! its 2004 man12:05
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|trey|Q-collective, I was saying that if you want the "Simplicity" of Slackware... you should just role yourself an LFS...  :/12:06
f0rdViN86 you were given one to, my school admin like forced 5 in my bag12:06
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ViN86f0rd: LOL12:06
f0rd"go give some to your friends"12:06
f0rd'nah id rather not"12:06
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|trey|f0rd, 'one *too*'...12:06
arthurwhen i go to full screen xine when playing dvd, it aborts with segfault12:06
padlefotWe're having a LAN-Party in february, and are planning to give ubuntu CDs to about 600 persons..12:06
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padlefothope that'll boost the usage12:07
|trey|ViN86, not at all... just find certain common mistakes annoying  :/12:07
arthurdvd playback isn't good at all... tyhe images looks crap...12:07
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ViN86well, ppl make simple mistakes all the time12:08
ViN86padlefot: wheres the lan party? which games?12:08
padlefotTrondheim, Norway..12:08
padlefotdonno, im Tech Help12:08
padlefothttp://www.aulan.net :P12:08
ViN86you want to uuhhh, get me a uhhh, plane ticket?12:09
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ViN86;P nah, dont have the time12:09
arthurwhat's the best dvd player available in ubuntu? with dvd menu suppot if possible12:09
RuffianSoldierhey ViN86 - I have the libs12:10
RuffianSoldiernow what?12:10
ViN86RuffianSoldier: the source codes?12:10
padlefotarthur: xine12:10
RuffianSoldierI believe so12:10
|trey|padlefot, try Ogle... "DVD player with support for DVD menus"... sounds like what you want, no?  :P12:10
|trey|padlefot, meet apt-cache search.12:11
arthurpadlefot, with xine i get segfault when switch to full screen12:11
padlefotkjss m12:11
arthurpadlefot, and the video isnt' good at all..12:11
ViN86RuffianSoldier: they tar.gz files?12:11
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padlefotthen listen to |trey|12:11
padlefothes godlike, or something..12:11
RuffianSoldierViN86, I downloaded no tar.gz files12:11
bob2what are you guys trying to do?12:11
|trey|padlefot, 8)12:11
RuffianSoldierViN86 - I apt got them12:11
ViN86RuffianSoldier: k, are they installed?12:12
|trey|bob2, DVD playback with menu support and stuff...12:12
billytwowillyanyone upgrade hoary recently? Did the upgrade to the kernel break anything?12:12
padlefoti really have to go to bed now guys!12:12
bob2so get xine nd libdvdcss12:12
padlefotsee you'all around!12:12
billytwowillyalso, what are the linux-restricted-modules-x86? It's been held back12:12
|trey|bob2, they were told that... apparently totem crashes on full screen  :/12:12
bob2ignore totem12:12
bob2billytwowilly: binary-only modules12:13
arthurbob2, gxine crashs too12:13
billytwowillybob2, like, for example, the dribers for my ipw2200 wireless card?12:13
bob2billytwowilly: yes12:13
|trey|billytwowilly, its because linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-$ARCH hasn't been uploaded yet...12:14
straterraOk, I'm back12:14
billytwowillyok. I'll wait to upgrade then.12:14
billytwowillyWait for tommorow I suppose.12:14
bob2hm, no12:15
arthur|trey|, with ogle i get a black screen12:15
bob2centrino drivers are in the kernel package itself12:15
billytwowillyheh. I said dribers... didn't notice.12:15
|trey|arthur, ogle-gui? never seen that  :/12:16
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billytwowillyok, well do I even need it then? I don't have mad wifi, I don't have nvidia, I have glrx, but it doesn't work12:16
arthur|trey|, yeah.. just sound from dvd12:16
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arthur|trey|, vlc works!!12:20
Q-collectivearthur: well, as soon as you have the /dev/dvd symlink (and vlc appears to make such a link when you install it), every mediaplayer will work12:22
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arthurQ-collective, nope, i configured xine to /dev/hdc (my dvd) and xine crashs when go to full screen... with ogle i just get sound12:23
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arthurQ-collective, AFAIK these problems nothing seem to be with broken link... ;)12:23
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Q-collectivearthur: lol12:24
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Q-collectivearthur: well, afaik, xine and vlc use the same libs in the dvd area12:24
tm17hUpgrade to hoary and my menus got rearranged -- anyone know if there is an intentional shift away from Ubuntu's awesome Application/Computer menu back to the GNOME default?12:25
|QuaD-_tm17h: my menus in hoary don't work :O12:25
arthurQ-collective, i think this is true, cause dvd playback seems to be identical in twos, but i don't like to see dvd without full screen12:25
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catdogtm17h: ^topic^12:26
tm17h|QuaD-_: Bummer.12:26
|QuaD-_tm17h: if you updated recently, yours probably wont12:26
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tm17hcatdog: is this a faq then or did I miss what you meant by topic?12:27
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catdogtm17h: Well, the channel topic has 'Yes the actions menu is getting fixed' at the end, which i believe is referring to the brokenness of hoary :)12:28
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tm17hcatdog: Jeez -- even with the hint I couldn't rtft :)12:28
|QuaD-_catdog: what stinks is that because of the conference, i doubt that any work is being done currently :(12:28
sittisalis there a channel dedicated to ubuntu 64?12:28
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catdog|QuaD-_: Well, hoary is accurately labelled as unstable...12:29
|QuaD-_catdog: i know :)12:29
|QuaD-_i am not complaining12:29
|QuaD-_i understand12:29
|QuaD-_i am just saying its horrible timing12:29
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catdogWell, yeah. I wouldn't know though. I'm too scaredy-cat to run hoary ;)12:31
|QuaD-_catdog: i ran debian unstable for years, i don't htink it EVER broke on me12:32
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|QuaD-_i think i am learning my lesson with ubuntu12:32
arthurdvd playback with vlc, xine, don't look good... i get something like "horizontal lines" in output... maybe my video-card?12:32
Q-collectivearthur: could be12:33
arthuri have an Nvidia Geforce4, with nvidia driver. but when i include Load "glx" in my XF86Config X won't work, could be that? (i'm running withou glx loaded)12:33
Q-collectivearthur: what card do you have?12:33
Q-collectiveyou have the nvidia drivcers installed?12:34
arthurQ-collective, yeah12:34
arthurQ-collective, "working" with nvidia driver X work's (i get nvia screen when running X, etc)... but when i include Load "glx" in modules section, it won't work12:35
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catdog|Quad-_: Well I guess debian unstable is inaccurately labelled ;)12:35
Q-collectivearthur: then don't use glx12:36
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|QuaD-_catdog: i think ti is12:36
arthurQ-collective, yeah, i'm not using that, but could be this the "problem" with dvd's?12:36
sgood1971Anyone know how to disable touchpad tapping? I tried changing /etc/default/tpconfig options to "--tapmode=0" and even set reset to "True" but it's not doing anything.12:36
Q-collectivearthur: don't think so12:37
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arthurQ-collective, ok, that's not a problkema at all.. since i have and "real dvd-player" at room... :D12:39
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Q-collectivearthur: lol12:40
RuffianSoldierhow can I make a desktop shortcut for a program on a normal user - but make it open as root?12:41
RuffianSoldierspecifically xine12:41
Q-collectivewhat DE?12:41
arthurRuffianSoldier, try gksudo program12:41
Q-collectivewhy would you want to open xine as root?12:41
RuffianSoldierso it will work lol12:41
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RuffianSoldiergksudo xine12:42
RuffianSoldierlike taht?'\12:42
arthurRuffianSoldier, yeah12:42
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arthurbut, again, why u want this?12:42
Q-collectiveRuffianSoldier: it won't work as user?12:42
RuffianSoldierIts set up not to12:42
RuffianSoldierdont worry about it12:42
Q-collectiveI do worry about it12:43
Q-collectiverunning user apps as root is not good12:43
RuffianSoldierI dont care12:43
RuffianSoldieri do what I wana12:43
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Q-collectiveok, here's a hint12:43
Q-collectiveget back to windows12:43
arthurRuffianSoldier, running normal program as super user is too windows-ish12:44
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sgood1971Does anyone know how to turn off touchpad tapping???12:45
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Q-collectivesgood1971: first of all: what is touchpad tapping?12:45
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Kosaisgood1971: You have a synaptics touchpad?  See <http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/>.12:46
JStrikeRuffianSoldier : And typing in capitals is not considered good form12:46
sgood1971Q-collective: on my laptop it is like tap to click on the touchpad12:46
defunktcan someone help me figure out how to install nvidia drivers on ubuntu, please?12:46
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sgood1971Kosai: Thanks, I will look now.12:46
defunktor at least provide a direct link to a site that explains it12:47
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arthurdefunkt, there's an "topic" in wiki explaining that12:47
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Kosaidefunkt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto12:47
defunktoh, rad.  thank you12:48
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Q-collectiveor just read the manual @ nvidia.com12:48
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defunktone other thing, i want to be able to get 1280x1024 resolution12:50
defunktmax i get right now is 1024x76812:50
defunkti remember having to do something to enable 1280 but i can't remember waht it was12:50
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usualhi calc12:51
usualhi Kosai12:51
usualdefunkt, refresh rates?12:51
usualhoriz and vert rates12:51
defunktno, it wasn't that12:52
defunkti had to manually change it but i can't remember how12:52
mirakwho use the news reader PAN ?12:52
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mirakthis crap is hogging whnen sending a message12:52
mirakit looks nice despite this12:52
usualdefunkt, those owuld have to be manually changed if it wasn't autodetected, mine isn't12:52
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ogradefunkt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  ?12:53
defunktogra: thx i'll give that a shot12:54
defunktsounds familiar12:54
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ogradefunkt: if its not enough, try adding -plow after dpkg-reconfigure to this line12:54
defunktogra, ty! you were right!12:55
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Q-collectivehey there cd, burner is here aswell12:58
cdnow really? (:12:59
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Q-collectiveok, bad joke :P12:59
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burneryep, sure was ;)01:00
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skaffenwhen updating my package lists the connections get reset all the time so i have to repeat the procedure about 10 times in order to get all the package lists. Is this a known issue or is there something wrong at my end?01:06
StuttergartI've not seen this behavior.01:06
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StuttergartPerhaps there is a problem with your network?01:06
skaffenhmm, might be due to the university firewall01:06
Stuttergartyou know how to use a sniffer?01:07
skaffennever used one01:07
Rene_SYeah I hook him up to a leash and walk him01:07
Rene_SI crack myself up01:07
skaffenhar har01:07
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mirakthere is a bug with gnome-menus01:09
TermDarkhi all.. i'm having a problem with apt - my school's proxy blocks the Packages.gz file from universe, but can't scan .bz2 files, is there any to make it use the .bz2 file for apt?01:09
Stuttergartcan you hit the proxy admin with a cluebat?01:10
mirakwhat the force option n dpkg ?01:10
TermDarknot possible.. done from the county, nothing to do with anyone remotely local01:10
TermDarki'm afraid.. and there's not even a whitelisting request service01:10
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wombat_how do i install the plugins on firefox01:16
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geppywombat_:  Click on them;  they should install themselves, pretty much.01:17
geppywombat_:  Which plugins, in particular?01:17
ficusplanetDoes anyone know how to play dvf files (from a voice recorder) in Linux?01:17
wombat_Yeah thats how it worked on the other comp but not this one01:17
wombat_Im trying to put flash on it01:17
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|Arioch|Could someone give me a hand setting my NTFS drive so that the default user can access it.  The only way I can get to it now is through root.01:19
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Deftdoes anyone know how to make Evo integrate IMAP folders properly like Thunderbird does?01:21
catdog|Arioch| Have you put 'user' in the options bit of fstab?01:21
StuttergartDeft: what exactly does Tbird do that Evo does not?01:22
|Arioch|catdog, yes.  I have the options... ro, user, noauto01:22
DeftStuttergart, all my mail is in a folder called "Mail" on the server; in thunderbird the mail folders inside are shown top level, not under Mail/, which means it naturally uses the correct Trash folder etc01:23
Stuttergarty, heh, the INBOX thing01:23
Stuttergartthat behavior seems to differ based on the client and IMAP server in use.01:23
Deftwell, INBOX is .mailbox, so actually that's fine01:24
catdog|Arioch| Ah, i think you need to put in uid=xxx,gid=xxx. do less /etc/passwd to find out what the uid and gid are of your the user you want.01:24
catdogThat'll make root mount it so that user/group has ownership of it. Or something like that.01:24
thoreauputiccatdog: actually just typing `  id ` will give that ifo01:25
Deftalso, can Evo use a real trash folder?01:25
catdogthoreauputic: of course :) I couldn't remember the command (too complex for me, you see)01:25
thoreauputiccatdog: yeah, it's a real brain twister  hehe :)01:26
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WebMavenHey, I just discovered that the Ubuntu mailing lists are morrirred on GMANE. Cool!01:27
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|Arioch|Ok, I have the uid and gid.  Do I put those under options?01:28
|Arioch|In fstab that is.01:28
arthurthere's a way to install hoarty directly, withou installing warty, and then switching to hoarty?01:28
catdog|Arioch|, yup 'uid=xxxx,gid=xxxx' along with the rest.01:28
|QuaD-_arthur: don't install hoary01:29
|QuaD-_its currently broken01:29
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AndyRlo ppl01:31
|Arioch|Awesome... thanks catdog!01:31
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catdog|Arioch| np01:32
AndyRwhats the right way to setup a dialup networking connection?01:32
AndyRive only ever used kppp before01:33
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arthur|QuaD-_, why it's broken now?01:34
NivlemUsing dd to back up something...does it default to creating the backup in the directory where the user currently resides?01:34
thoreauputicAndyR: you can set it up from command line using  ' sudo pppconfig '   - then you can connect with 'pon '  and disconnect with ' poff '01:35
|QuaD-_arthur: gnome menu problem01:35
AndyRthoreauputic, thank you01:35
thoreauputicAndyR: sudo pppconfig   walks you through the config - it isn't hard01:35
Defthoary has quite a lot of bad packages actually, gaim isn't good for one, Evo is unpredictable, gnome-system-tools is only partly usable01:35
thoreauputicAndyR:  you're welcome01:35
arthur|QuaD-_, hmm... ok, when it get fixed, there's a way to install the way i said before?01:36
arthurDeft, i think i don't wanna hoary now then.. ;)01:36
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P47|LL0hi people01:38
Deftarthur, good call, it has some nice features, but I'd rather be using warty now if it wasn't so hard to go back01:38
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arthurDeft, i guess i'll give it a try...01:40
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kentAndyR, did you configure the modem?01:56
kentAndyR, becaus using Computer -> system configuration -> network     is a better way i think. Its easy, and its a GUI.01:57
AndyRkent, i set it to ttyS0 but then it trys /dev/modem for some reason01:58
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thoreauputic/dev/modem should just be a symlink to /dev/ttyS0 or whatever01:59
jon1012hi :)02:01
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AndyRhow do i check to see where the symlink is pointing to?02:04
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thoreauputicAndyR: ls -l /dev/modem02:04
beb0shi people02:04
jon1012hi :)02:05
speelman dont you just hate it when you manualy have to add things to the gnome menu02:06
thoreauputicAndyR: if it points to the wrong place, you can remove the symlink ( rm /dev/modem ) , then set a new one like ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem02:06
Deftspeel, that shouldn't happen in the future, once everyone does things to freedesktop way02:06
speeli sureh ope so :)02:07
speelsure hope so*02:07
beb0syes, we've to wait ...02:07
Q-collectiveDeft: yeah, everyone will do it the freedesktop way @ Gnome 4.0 :P02:09
speelthats like .. years away02:09
DeftQ-collective, until then we just have to use only gnome apps, easy!02:09
Q-collectiveDeft: nah, konq just pwns nautilus :P02:09
DeftQ-collective, bah, can't stand konq, too much stuff02:10
genkonq blows02:10
Q-collectivethere really should be a gtk+ port of it02:10
DeftQ-collective, although the last one I used flickered horribly, which put me off even more02:10
thoreauputicrox filer ruleZ !! ;)02:11
Q-collectivenever had much trouble with flickering tbh02:11
Q-collectiverox is way too minimal for my feeling :P02:11
Q-collectiveenlightenment is yuck, as is emelfm202:11
grumbelquestion for those with a bit linux/debian experience, is it worth for a long time debian unstable user to switch to ubuntu or are there any special features missing in ubuntu that one would miss (incompatibilty to inofficial debs or whatever)?02:12
thoreauputicQ-collective: well, I mostly use locate, find, cat and mv ;)02:12
Deftgrumbel, it depends on how well you have your system configured, I used sid for a long time, and never managed to get a desktop nearly as well integrated as stock ubuntu02:13
Q-collectivethoreauputic: so true, but konq is a bit more clear in some cases :)02:13
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beb0sgrumbel, i can't answer jet ... i'm just upgrading from sid to hoary02:13
thoreauputicQ-collective: I had the flicker problem with konq too, but I'm quite happy with fluxbox and rox filer :)02:14
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decklingrumbel: i've been with deb for ~5 years, just installed ubuntu on two laptops this week. nothing has bit me yet.02:14
NivlemWhat does the -count=10 do using a dd command? info dd and man dd don't show what this is for?02:15
decklinNivlem: you sure? "count=BLOCKS              copy only BLOCKS input blocks"02:16
Nivlemdecklin: I am trying to make sure what I am doing with this command...I have to convert my iPod from HFS+ journaled to vfat to let it work under Linux PPC...02:17
NivlemThat is what the web page says to do.02:17
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grumbelother question, how do I configure sound under ubuntu? there isn't any central tool like yast, right? neither could I find alsaconf02:18
grumbelubuntu itself seems to have loaded the right modules, but I get /dev/dsp: no such device errors02:19
NivlemHowever I do not want to follow blindly the instructions without making sure...do you know if I do wipe the partitioning and such if all should fail if I can restore the iPod by booting into OS X and running the ipod updater?02:19
grumbeland 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp1' doesn't provide a sound either02:19
Q-collective/dev/dsp perhaps?02:19
Nivlemgrumbel: I just used the default volume control under the applications menu02:19
crevettegrumbel: the sound is not muted02:19
Q-collectiveoh yeah02:20
Q-collectiveunmute it with gnome-alsa-manager02:20
NivlemThat has to be installed with apt-get02:20
crevetteIs somebody has an iPod here ?02:20
Q-collectiveNivlem: then you install it02:20
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grumbelcrevette: good hint, that fixed it, already unmuted and tweaked all the other 20 controlls that gnome-alsa-mixer provides, but forgot the master one :)02:21
NivlemQ-collective: Follow the thread man...I am telling the person asking the question02:21
Nivlemcrevette: I am setting up my iPod02:21
grumbelnother issue is that /dev/dsp is actually my tvcard, my soundcard is at /dev/dsp1, how can I swap them?02:22
jon1012tiens une crevette en eaux douces lol02:22
crevetteNivlem: does it is mounted automatically under /media/iPod ?02:23
Nivlemcrevette: No with Warty on my mac it doesn't02:23
Q-collectiveNivlem: then you tell this person to install it and check for it, what's the problem?02:23
NivlemAlthough it is recognized...I have 3 firewire devices so the iPod is at /dev/sdb302:23
crevetteNivlem: mine was mounted under /mdeia/iPod/ when the FS was hfsplus, since I formatted in vfat under win32 with the tool provided by apple, the iPod is mount under /mdedia/usbdisk ou /media/sda202:24
NivlemQ-collective: No problem...I was just letting you know that I WAS replying to them...02:24
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crevetteSo I wanted to know why the mount point whanged with the FS and how the mount point was determined ?02:25
Nivlemcrevette: Dunno why udev and or hotplug changed it...I know that HFS+ journaled isn't supported other than read write...02:25
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Nivlemcrevette: I mean read only02:25
crevetteNivlem: hum no mine was mounted in RW02:26
crevetteexcept a lock I had02:26
Nivlemcrevette: interesting...my firewire drive says it is read write..till you try to copy something to it..had the same issue with the firewire drive...it is mis-leading02:26
Nivlemcrevette: That pretty much renders it useless under linux...only thing I can find it to re-partition using dosfstools or whatever and then letting it go..thanks for the information though..since it will more than likely change my device as well02:28
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crevetteNivlem: the Firewire bus support under Linux is crappy02:28
Gmailthe following umount AGAIN  /home, /boot02:28
Gmailthanks G-d it wasn't /02:29
Gmailmy system wound of crashed again02:29
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|QuaD-_Gmail: whats with your umounts?02:30
|QuaD-_i hear about them daily02:31
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|Arioch|Could someone tell me how to add a launcher to the Gnome menu.02:31
Gmail|QuaD-: i don't know02:32
Gmailhowto stop it?02:32
crevette|Arioch|: warty or hoary02:32
Gmaili have no idea why everything umounts it self02:32
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crevette|Arioch|: ctrl + L, enter "application://"02:32
|Arioch|ctrl + L does nothing.02:34
crevettehum that shorcut was buggy in 2.802:34
|Arioch|I added Beep Media Player and I wanted to put it in the Multimedia menu.02:34
crevette|Arioch|: make appears the location bar in nautilus and type application://02:35
jon1012anyone here using latex on ubuntu ?02:35
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Q-collectiveI really should use it02:35
Q-collectivelatex that is :)02:35
Q-collectivejust never had any problems with OOo and such02:36
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jon1012I use it and i really love it :)02:37
|Arioch|crevette, I don't understand what you said.02:37
Quest-MasterWhat is Latex?02:37
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jon1012A system to make documents02:37
Q-collectiveQuest-Master: a way of wordprocessing02:38
jon1012A really good systeme to make documents I should say :p02:38
Q-collectivenice with formulas and such02:38
jon1012and with presentation etc...02:38
|Arioch|crevette, nevermind... I found it.02:39
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crevette|Arioch|: right click a folder in nautilus and select Browse02:39
jon1012it makes perfect documents that will make everybody who will look at to say "wow what a good document" lol02:39
grumbelQuest-Master: a 'word-processor' for writing scientific books/papers, think of some kind of html, just completly different syntax02:39
jon1012not only scientific/technic02:39
Q-collectivesomething like that02:39
jon1012I use it for eveyrthing, also for letters lol :p02:40
jon1012(I had some A at high-school thank to latex lol)02:40
Q-collective<jon1012> and with presentation etc... <-- yeah, powerpoint stole the latex idea :P02:40
grumbeljon1012: not really, most people I know will just they, 'bah, sucky default latex style again', since default latex style is really not that cute compared to more customized styles02:40
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jon1012lol, in france people don't know latex :|02:41
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YokoZarHey, please test out my wine packages (better/newer than ones included in universe): http://www.winehq.org/site/download02:42
jon1012do you know where i can find good latex templates and styles ?02:42
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Q-collectiveYokoZar: that is the default download page?02:45
Q-collectivehi jdodson02:45
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jdodsoni have a problem with ubuntu.02:46
jdodsonno my problem is ubuntu is so great i dont ever use windows anymore.02:47
Rene_SHurray another convert02:47
Q-collectivenow that's my type of problem02:47
jdodsonit is great.02:47
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jdodsonthat was a joke, but i dont use windows anymore.02:48
Rene_SNow place your coffee on the Windows CD and become a true member of the brother/sisterhood of the enlightened02:48
Q-collectiveas a result, I'm still using it ;)02:48
jdodsoni gave away my office cds already.02:48
Rene_SI use them to practice my darts with02:48
jdodsonbeen using gnu/linux for like 5 years or so.02:48
Rene_SI stick the hole on the 20 and off I go02:49
Tsjoklatpm me!02:49
Rene_Ssounds kinky02:49
Q-collective<Tsjoklat> pm me! <-- pm you? what an ego... pm him! ;)02:49
jdodsonstarted out i just wanted to get "legit" so i dumped my pirated windows stuff, got openoffice, went downhill from there, or should i say uphill.02:49
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_|Imanewbie|_Night folks02:49
TsjoklatQ-collective I am a girl.. I can demand whatever I want02:50
Q-collectiveyou came online, just to tell us that?02:50
Q-collectivehow thoughtfull of you _|Imanewbie|_02:50
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Q-collectiveTsjoklat: point taken02:50
_|Imanewbie|_Guys how can I open th port for bittorrent on ubuntu02:51
crimsunit's ok, boys can demand whatever they want, too02:51
Tsjoklatcrimsun but they don't get bitch at for doing so.. that's the differance02:51
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Deft_|Imanewbie|_, you shouldn't need to do anything02:52
huwrIs that like Jethro Tull? :P02:52
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_|Imanewbie|_Deft: I get low status cause people can't direct connect me02:53
Q-collective'low status'? I thought there wasn't such a thing in torrentland?02:54
Deft_|Imanewbie|_, ubuntu doesn't have any firewall by default, are you behind a router or something?02:55
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crimsun_|Imanewbie|_: you need to forward the port from your router02:55
crimsun_|Imanewbie|_: ubuntu does not use any iptables rules by default02:55
_|Imanewbie|_crimsun: can you help me out?02:56
crimsun_|Imanewbie|_: use your router's management web page to forward the port02:56
crimsun_|Imanewbie|_: your isp should provide a link to documentation on their support web site02:56
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_|Imanewbie|_crimsun: I'm trying to access it BUT it has some problems with non IE browsers02:56
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_|Imanewbie|_crimsun: I cant acess it =/02:57
YokoZarQ-collective: what do you mean default download page?  It's the official wine one, if that's what you mean.02:58
_|Imanewbie|_I will try lynx02:58
_|Imanewbie|_I will try dillo first02:58
billytwowillyiptables is what I'd want to mess with to change routing around right?02:58
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Tsjoklatgot your probs fixed billytwowilly?02:59
billytwowillyTsjoklat, depends what probs you are referring to;)02:59
YokoZarQ-collective: The packages in Debian that creep into Ubuntu Universe aren't maintained or supported by the wine developers, and they're outdated.  But because of Debian's social system (where they give complete control over packages to maintainers until they relinquish them), we can't really do anything about it except provide better packages.  These may become the official ubuntu ones (if not the debian ones), if they test well.02:59
Q-collectiveYokoZar: yes, but you said and I quote "better/newer than ones included in universe" in there02:59
Q-collectivekk :)03:00
Tsjoklatbillytwowilly your upgrade issues03:00
YokoZarFor a bunch of free software fanatics the debian developers are remarkably conservative with package changes :)03:00
billytwowillyTsjoklat, oh yah, I fixed that. now I'm trying to find decent documentation on how to mess with routing.03:00
_|Imanewbie|_I cant acess the crap03:00
jdodsonyokozar: its that whole stability thing i guess:)03:00
YokoZarjdodson: Problem is, the old wine packages were breaking things.03:01
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__learner__is there any way to listen to winamp radios under linux?03:01
Q-collectivehow old are the current debian packages?03:01
__learner__and to run radios from internet pages.03:01
_|Imanewbie|_Anyone here has a d-link 500g?03:02
Q-collective__learner__: xmms, beep, xine, mplayer, vlc, etc etc03:02
jdodsonyokozar: ah.   well they seem OK for me, or at least the ubuntu ones that is.03:02
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YokoZarQ-collective: 4 months, at least (wine is updated monthly).  And, they're also worse packages in general (not every wine file is included in the right place, they're split up too much so that apps will fail because they can't find a program they expect since it's in another sub package, etc.)03:03
jdodson__learner_: ya, i used totem or realplayer, you can use xmms too.03:03
__learner__xine can play them?03:03
Gmailguess what umounted03:04
Q-collectivejdodson: realplayer can play them?03:04
Gmail|QuaD-: this will be easy for you03:04
__learner__I'll try xine.03:04
Q-collective<Gmail> the following umount AGAIN  /home, /boot03:04
__learner__do you recommend XMMS over Xine?03:04
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_|Imanewbie|_crimsun: okay I'm there wich port should I open?03:05
Q-collective__learner__: xmms is a leightweighted, audio-only player, xine can play video aswell03:05
GmailQ-collective: this time03:05
GmailQ-collective: this time it was /03:05
Q-collectiveGmail: what are you doing anyway?03:05
zenpodxmms is very winamp-ish, also, if you use Nvidia drivers, be sure to install libmikmod2 if you use xmms03:05
Q-collectivexmms is very winamp2-ish *03:06
__learner__Xine is always giving erros messages in my system. I'm thinking about choosing another player because of that. It also can't play fullscreen here. It closes when I try.03:06
crimsun_|Imanewbie|_: 6881/tcp incoming03:06
Q-collective__learner__: what kind of errors?03:06
_|Imanewbie|_Bit tornado uses a port range from 10k till 60k I dont want to open all up03:06
crimsun_|Imanewbie|_: then open up 10000/tcp incoming03:07
_|Imanewbie|_crimsun: are you running ubuntu? wich torrent client do you use?03:07
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crimsun_|Imanewbie|_: btdownloadcurses, the curses-based command line one03:08
Quest-MasterAnybody here have a Linksys router?03:09
__learner__I'll post them here, wait just a minute03:09
zenpodQuest-Master, at work, I have several.03:09
_|Imanewbie|_crimsun: I use the samething here03:09
scoonQuest-Master, I do03:09
scoonhave a linksys router03:10
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_|Imanewbie|_crimsun: but here I check the gui in btdownaloadgui and I see a port range not a single port03:10
Quest-MasterDo you know what to do to let torrents run perfectly fine?03:10
Quest-MasterAzureus says I have a NAT problem03:10
zenpodQuest-Master, they ought to just work.  Try bittornado.03:11
__learner__xine engine failed to start: no input plugin found03:11
zenpod__learner__, what are you trying to watch?03:11
Quest-Master:( Azureus > BitTornado03:11
_|Imanewbie|_Quest-Master: you prolly with the sameproblem as me03:11
Quest-MasterI get normal Download Rates though03:11
Quest-MasterLike, sometimes 300KBps03:11
zenpodQuest-Master, I couldn't say, I've never used Azureus.03:11
__learner__any radio that's in the menu03:11
Quest-MasterAzureus is the thing.03:11
__learner__in the xine menu03:11
Quest-MasterYou need to try it.03:11
_|Imanewbie|_crimsun: what about my port range ? =p03:12
moquist_archive.ubuntu.com down?  my apt-update can't connect.03:12
scoonQuest-Master, whatever port you have set up for azereus make certain that port gets forwarded to your box on the router.03:12
zenpod__learner__, online radio? eh, I use xmms for that, but make sure you've installed all the stuff from Multi/Universe for playing mp3.03:12
scoonQuest-Master, i use all static ip's here at home03:12
crimsunmoquist_: alive here03:12
zenpodoh crap, right, I need to change my IP03:13
zenpodthanks for reminding me, scoon03:13
moquist_crimsun: hrm.  k, thx.  :(03:13
scoonzenpod, yea, np03:13
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_|Imanewbie|_crimsun: I cant find how to add it03:15
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zenpodanyone running BIND on ubuntu?03:15
__learner__when I try the winamp radios I get the same message03:15
__learner__What are those things, I didin't get anything from universe and multiverse03:16
_|Imanewbie|_any suggestions?03:16
zenpod__learner__, http://www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:17
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nyuanyone in the meeting in mataro around?03:20
nyui'm going there tomorrow and have a question03:21
nyuwhich kind of inet access there?03:21
__learner__tx a lot!03:22
__learner__I installed Gstramer Plugins03:22
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zenpod__learner__, np03:24
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__learner__same error.03:25
zenpod__learner__, install totem-xine03:26
__learner__I installed the plugins, But gXine does't seem to know how to work with the .pls file.03:26
__learner__Should I install Totem? Is that better?03:26
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zenpodQ-collective, installing totem-xine installs a bunch of libs though, sounds like he may be missing some03:27
Q-collectivezenpod: oh, probably03:28
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__learner__should I uninstall Gxine, since I'm installing Totem?03:31
Tsjoklat_learner_ no need to03:31
stuNNedwhat about gxine plugin?03:31
socomm__learner__: Only if you're tight on HDD space.03:32
__learner__I installed totem-gstreamer.03:32
__learner__no, it's Ok. But I think those are both GUI's to the same program aren't they?03:32
__learner__didin't worked...03:36
stuNNedanyone running ubuntu x64?03:36
__learner__I'm installing totem-xine03:37
socommI prefer totem-xine, over the gstreamer version.03:37
socommAnyone know a good mod to ogg/mp3 converter?03:40
__learner__it worked Thanks a lot!03:40
__learner__the gstreamer was not working, I installed totem-xine, and it is working great. Thnaks a lot03:40
socomm__learner__: Cool, have fun.03:41
__learner__Can I add playlist support to totem somehow?03:41
__learner__If Linux could run my games, than I would never open Windows anymore!03:41
__learner__that's the only reason for having linux in my desktop.03:41
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__learner__tx alot. this community is really cool. Aways helps me when I need.03:42
__learner__Hope to don't need so many help some day!03:42
jdonghow's everyone here doin ?03:42
socomm__learner__: WineX03:42
Quest-MasterIs their a Quicktime plugin for Firefox besides MPlayer?03:42
socommQuest-Master: Negative.03:43
Quest-MasterThat really blows.03:43
Quest-MasterThey need a Xine or Totem plugin for it.03:43
socommQuest-Master: Unless you wanna use openQt or something, which blows and sucks at the same time.03:43
zenpodQuest-Master, mplayer-nogui works just fine03:43
zenpodembeds nicely03:43
zenpodinstall w32codecs03:43
zenpodmozilla-mplayer + mplayer-nogui, that is03:44
socommI don't think it would be too hard for Apple to port QuickTime over to GNU/Linux/*BSD since MacOS-X is based on BSD.03:45
socommThey even have a x86 build for Microsofts Operating System.03:46
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zenpodsocomm, 90% market share kinda convinced them03:46
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zenpodgo forth and evangelise Linux.03:47
Quest-MasterI can't touch MPlayer.03:47
socommzenpod: An online petition might be in order. :^)03:47
Quest-MasterIt broke my apt-get for a few days.. now that's horrible :(03:47
Rene_SIn the beginning there was DOS, and the world was Dark and Grey03:47
socommzenpod: Hell, it worked to get the FreeBSD nVidia drivers.03:47
Rene_Sthen upon the land appeared the light, its name is Linux03:48
zenpodAMEN BROTHER03:48
Rene_SSo let it be written, so Let it be Done03:48
socommLinux can't do much, with out the GNU in front of it.03:48
Rene_SWatched the 10 commandments once too often03:48
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Tsjoklathewo thoreauputic03:49
zenpodsocomm, personally, I prefer the BSD licence to the GPL, but shhh, don't tell ;)03:49
socommzenpod: I'm talking bout the software not the .... license, but yes you're right BSD is alot more user/business friendly.03:50
crimsun(2-clause BSD)03:50
geppyzenpod: Blasphemy!  =P03:50
zenpodgeppy, that's my job! :D03:50
geppyhahahaha  =)03:51
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rileyi just recently configured my Ubuntu system for samba, and it was working for awhile, but now it seems to be going only one way...  and it's not just samba... when I ping the Ubuntu system's host name from the other system, it says that the host name is unknown...  Would anybody happen to know why this might be happening?03:56
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kentif i want a script to run on every boot, should i just copy it to /etc/init.d/?03:57
zenpodkent, well, I don't recommend copying it to autoexec.bat ;)03:59
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jdodsoncan someone help me with building a package from source.04:00
zenpodinstall build-essentials :D04:00
Rene_SHey why are people talking about non-ubuntu related things, fill out a bug report04:01
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kentzenpod, but will that make it work? im not sure if it does, and want to make ddclient work if i reboot.04:01
jdodsondid that already.  i need to get the librsvg dev package and it says it cannot resolve the dependices.04:01
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Quest-MasterHow would I go around installing this? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=18669&vote=good&tan=4996919804:13
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Rene_SQuest-Master, first reinstall Ubuntu in Polish04:14
jdodsonquest: i will install it then let you know.04:15
Rene_Sjdodson, dont be installing Ubuntu in Polish04:15
Rene_Si was only kidding04:15
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jdodsonquest: i wasnt able to.04:17
geppyI know that this isn't the proper venue for this questions, but...  How would one go about learning GTK+?04:18
jdodsondo a websearch for a gtk+ howto.04:18
Rene_SSchool, i find that school works04:18
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Rene_SI am sure there is a GTK+ channel someplace04:19
Rene_Sthat would be a good resource as well04:19
Rene_SYou can check out your local Chapters/Indigo ours has tons of Linux related books04:20
Rene_SI usually go in there and read em and take notes04:20
zenpodI have no local chapters.04:20
geppyI know that I have one, but I don't have access to my car, at the moment.04:21
Rene_SIndigo ?  Coles ?04:21
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Rene_SI like chapters just to read in04:21
crimsungeppy: gtk.org has good tutorials04:21
crimsungeppy: though if you're more looking to jump in, I recommend Glade04:21
Rene_SI look in used book stores too but live near the University of Waterloo, Comp Science heaven there04:22
geppycrimsun:  Alright, thanks!  =D04:22
crimsungeppy: and there are Gtk language bindings for nearly every popular language there04:22
crimsungeppy: same w/ language bindings and Glade04:22
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Quest-MasterHow can the theme not work?04:30
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Rene_Snot sure04:32
Rene_SI am gonna check it now04:32
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deadanyone running fluxbox ?04:33
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Quest-MasterNone of the themes from Gnome-Look install for me.04:35
umarmungQuest-Master, first you should check that the themes really end up in ~/.themes or ~/.icons04:36
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Rene_Si untarred it04:36
Rene_Sthen went into desktop preferences -- themes04:36
Rene_Sthen did an install theme and pointed to where i downloaded it04:37
Quest-MasterI did too04:37
Rene_Sthen restarted the theme module04:37
Rene_Si went through all 3 section04:37
Rene_Sdid a install theme on all of em04:37
Quest-Master:o worked.04:37
Rene_Susing the same index.theme04:37
Quest-MasterNow to install the Icon Set04:39
umarmunguntar it to ~/.icons04:39
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Quest-MasterWoo, the new themes are cool04:41
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Triple5|Ubuntuhow do I know if I'm using hoary, theres a command to type but I Forgot04:46
JDahlIs there a problem with X in Hoary? after last nights update I only the background screen after I start X - no gnome or terminals04:46
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JDahlstartx is the same... essentially does the same as 'X' except I get a background. It looks like .xinitrc is not read or something04:47
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SolonHey guys, got a slight problem, I'm using Hoary, and for some reason I cannot network with the two WinXP machines at all, I changed my workgroup to the same as theirs, they can see mine, but I can't see them, nor can I access shares, obviously. I do have Samba.04:50
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carthikhey dudes, can someone help with understanding why my eth0 (wireless) device is "not found" sometimes after I start up the laptop?04:51
carthikor better still, how I can make it find the device after I have logged in? any magic commands for the n00b04:52
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junglebunnyhello. i am trying to dist-upgrade and it is telling me that gnome-panel has unmet dependencies05:07
junglebunnysuch as libdatacenter3 and libecal305:07
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junglebunnyi believe they are part of the evolution package05:08
gpled./mozilla-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory05:08
gpledlooks like libgtk is in ubuntu. any ideas?05:08
umarmunggpled, gtk-1.x installed?05:08
zenpodlibgtk2 may be05:08
crimsunuse Synaptic to install libgtk1.205:09
crimsunor sudo aptitude install libgtk1.205:09
junglebunnyor sudo apt-get05:09
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crimsunnote that the installer is looking for the old version, GTK 1.2, not GTK 2.x05:10
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gpledcrimsun: thanks05:16
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_scpriddle me this, batman.... why does my machine all of the sudden lock my (empty) cdrom drives closed and hang about 2 minutes after I try to eject using the buttons on the front?05:24
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RuffianSoldierIm using Xine for DVDs - and of course the audio decodes a bit faster than the video - anyway I can delay the audio so its more syncronized?05:27
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Gmailwhen ever i gksudo a program it use some wirod theme for gtk+ its not the theme root is using and also not my theme05:34
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praki got sound working on my laptop with ubuntu the first time i logged in. but since then... it doesn't work.05:40
RuffianSoldierIm using Xine for DVDs - and of course the audio decodes a bit faster than the video - anyway I can delay the audio so its more syncronized?05:40
joshua__something is seriously borked with my system... i have warty and hoary installed on two different partitions, when i installed warty after hoary it messed with grub and now i can't seem to configure grub properly to see my hoary installation05:40
RuffianSoldierstrangeness times 1005:41
praki have nothing in dmesg abt sound except this: intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 49641 usecs05:41
prakintel8x0: clocking to 4800005:41
JDahlI get some weird errors in .xsession-errors when I start X:  Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1.. X never comes up completely. Anyone has an idea what that's about?05:41
prakcould anyone suggest what may be missing05:41
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JDahlon Hoary that is05:42
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nomasteryodaRuffianSoldier, did you try the + or - keys05:44
RuffianSoldiersomeone jsut told me05:44
RuffianSoldierin #linuxhelp05:44
RuffianSoldiersame thing05:44
nomasteryodaRuffianSoldier, did you also setup hdparm05:44
nomasteryodathat helps a great deal05:44
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nomasteryodasets HD DMA on05:45
nomasteryodaand faster drive access modes05:45
nomasteryodabut use with care05:45
RuffianSoldierif its a risk - im not willing to take it05:45
nomasteryodabut DMA should be on on newer systems05:45
RuffianSoldierthis system is brandnew05:46
nomasteryodai have not had any problems with it over 3 years05:46
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nomasteryodawith multiple distros05:46
RuffianSoldier1 being installed right now lol05:46
RuffianSoldierjust got it today05:46
nomasteryodai have 6 on my other work laptop05:46
nomasteryodagot our packs yesterday too05:47
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RuffianSoldieri have another HD with Ubuntu im gonna put in05:47
nomasteryodanice kits05:47
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RuffianSoldierso pressing - or + in Xine might helP?05:47
alka_trashanyone running hoary?05:47
nomasteryodasomething like that ...let me check05:48
nomasteryodahere is hdparm stuff05:48
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alka_trashmy usb devices stopped working today, strangeness, I'm thinking it's because of the latest upgrade. Oh well, waiting for the next upgrade05:48
nomasteryodaalka_trash, all of them?05:49
alka_trashreally strange05:49
alka_trashI have to grab a ps2 mouse05:49
nomasteryodai have seen fat32 usb devices get lost clusters, but that is odd05:50
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alka_trashmy little usb hub doesn't light up anymore :(\05:50
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WiFiTuxHi, how do I install the kernel-development or the sources that came with my distro?05:50
joshua__grub is completely borked... it cant find something that exists05:50
carthikHey guys, where can I get the source for the kernel
carthikhi WiFiTux05:50
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joshua__grub cannot seem to see /dev/hda4 which from what i can tell corresponds to root (hd0,3)05:51
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joshua__any clues?05:52
nomasteryodai fixed mine last week05:52
nomasteryodabut that laptop with 6 distros is at work05:52
nomasteryodaand it has 2 ubuntus05:52
joshua__yea... thats how my system is now05:53
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joshua__with two ubuntus05:53
thullywhat - hoary+warty?05:53
carthikHey guys, where can I get the source for the kernel ? I need it badly :)05:54
nomasteryodasuse 9.1, 9.2, slack10, mdk 10.105:54
joshua__when i installed warty after hoary on a different partition grub got screwed up and now i cant get into hoary, can't find the kernel images05:54
carthikdo I need to add a debian repository to soures.list or something?05:54
nomasteryodacarthik, looking05:54
carthikthanks nomasteryoda:)05:54
joshua__when looking in /boot it automatically looks on /dev/hda5 (my warty parition)05:54
joshua__even if i specify the root of (hd0,3)05:54
carthiknomasteryoda i have scoured synaptic already...05:55
thoreauputiccan someone type my nick? trying to configure some colours in xchat ...05:56
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thoreauputicnomasteryoda,carthic, thanks05:56
carthikthoreauputik, 'salright05:57
joshua__so nomasteryoda, any ideas on my little problem? i just use warty to do one thing05:57
carthikso, do you think I will have a problem if I get the kernel from a non-ubuntu repository? (since I can't find it there)? Any expert comments ;) ?05:58
ivarq: is there a(n easy) way to upgrade the firefox in warty without committing to hoary ?05:58
nomasteryodaone boot parition?05:58
nomasteryodaivar, use the download from mozilla.org worked or me05:58
JDahlnoone else are having troubles with X in Hoary? I can start 'X', but neither startx or gdm will complete a startup05:58
crimsunJDahl: works fine here.05:59
joshua__nomasteryoda, no... warty is on /dev/hda5 and hoary is on /dev/hda4... the roots are (hd0,3) and (hd,4) respectively05:59
nomasteryodaJDahl, did you rerun the dpkg video setup?05:59
crimsunJDahl: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a paste web site05:59
carthikivar, I cheated, I changed warty to hoary in the sources.list, updated (NOT upgraded) then I upgraded firefox, hurried back and changed hoary to warty05:59
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geppyJDahl: X works fine for me.  =)06:00
ivarnomasteryoda, duh. I didn't even think of that.. but I like carthik's idea better06:00
JDahlcrimsun: I am in console mode... but I get a weird output in .xsession-error ('X' itself comes up fine, so does the gdm chooser - it is the xsession that seems to hang)06:00
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nomasteryodamaybe a lock file in your home?06:01
ivarcarthik, that won't mess anything up will it ? I'm too green with package managers to take risks..06:01
GoldeNArChello all06:01
prakanyone know why sound would work on first time boot but not after... in warty?06:01
GoldeNArCforgive me.  i'm a ubuntu newbie06:01
nomasteryodacongrats man06:01
GoldeNArClinux newbie to (prolly not what yall want to here)06:01
carthikivar, try something silly then, update an app you don't use often, for practice, if you will, but it worked for me, ne'ertheless06:01
nomasteryodayea we take them all06:01
GoldeNArCwell.  this is a fresh install06:01
JDahlgnome-message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -106:01
crimsunprak: check `lsmod' output06:02
GoldeNArCis there anything I should be doing off the bat?06:02
crimsunprak: what sound chipset do you use?06:02
JDahlI dont know if that's related06:02
crimsunGoldeNArC: is it installed?06:02
joshua__bah... i want to get back into hoary06:02
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GoldeNArCcrimmy: yes06:02
GoldeNArCim using it now06:02
prakcrimsun: lsmod seems to have loaded all ncessary modules06:02
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crimsunGoldeNArC: just open Synaptic and Refresh, then update the packages that have available updates06:02
praksnd_ac97_codec, snd, soundcore.. and lot of other snd_* modules06:03
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nomasteryodaGoldeNArC, in terminal06:03
nomasteryodasudo synaptic06:03
carthikGoldeNArC, if it's a fresh ubuntu, check out the howtos in the forum (esp. the multimedia one) to see how you can play all sort of video file formats06:03
humboIf I press a gtk button ubuntu has that drum sound. This is fine. however in totem if I pause a movie and then want to play it again it tries to play the drum sound - because I clicked on the button - and play the movies sound at the same time. The drum sound comes out first so totem can't get access to the sound device to continue playing the video. I usually have to exit totem and open the video again, then drag the slider to where I was bef06:03
GoldeNArCcrimmy: it gave me that option before it completed install to do updates.  I did them.06:03
humboFor a quick fix I've tried to remove the drum sound in sound preferences, but can't work out how to remove it other than disabling all system sounds06:03
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geppyhumbo: Have you tried using the keyboard shortcuts?06:04
nomasteryodaGoldeNArC, good06:04
geppyhumbo:  I'll agree that that's insanely annoying, and should be looked into.06:04
crimsunprak: what does running `alsamixer' do?06:04
humboWhat's the play/pause shortcut?06:04
GoldeNArCcrimmy: if your recall what we talked about previous.  is it my best best to just put this HD in my windows box and using pqmagic?06:05
geppyhumbo:  I don't use Totem, so I can't say for sure, but try 'z', 'x', 'c', 'v', and the spacebar... the usual suspects.  If those don't work, look into the help?06:05
JDahlwell, I can run a failsafe session from gdm, so I am not completely screwed06:05
GoldeNArCbest = bet06:05
prakcrimsun: it does show me all the meters...06:05
crimsunGoldeNArC: do you have free HD space at least the size of your NTFS partition?06:05
praki have played with them...06:05
prak... but to no avail06:05
GoldeNArCthe full size.. no but I could change the partition size within windows .. then I would06:05
crimsunprak: what precisely is wrong? Do sound applications block or "hang?" Are your mixer sliders increased and unmuted ('m')?06:06
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crimsunGoldeNArC: did you set up lvm during the install process?06:06
abahanybody here using mldonkey in ubuntu?06:07
geppyhumbo:  P is play/pause06:07
humboAh, it's "p". Thanks for the help geppy.06:07
GoldeNArCcrimmy: no.06:07
geppyheh, no problem.  =)06:07
geppyhumbo:  good luck.  =)06:07
orc3nwhois pengo06:07
farruinnprak, is esd running?06:07
prakcrimsun: sound apps all seem to work.. and playing etc... but there is just no sound.. .even on logon etc... all these worked when i booted first time.. so i am wondering if something got loaded then.. and not now..06:07
prakfarruinn.. should esd run?06:07
praki thought alsa is sufficient06:08
farruinnesd is the sound daemon, so generally yes06:08
praklemme see06:08
crimsunGoldeNArC: well, you could shrink the NTFS partition, then create a new ext3 partition06:08
farruinnhowever I've run into apps that *don't* produce sound when esd is running =/06:08
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crimsunprak: you said nothing is muted? paste the output of `amixer' on a web site, please.06:08
GoldeNArCcrimmy.. will i be using lvm through the terminal?06:09
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nomasteryodacarthik, did you look on ubuntulinux.org/wiki06:09
prakesd is running.. crimsun... yes, nothing is muted06:09
carthiknomasteryoda, yes I did, no mention of any sort there06:10
praki will try to post this somewhere...06:10
carthikmaybe I will try the mail list later06:10
thoreauputicer... can someone type my nick again?06:10
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trans_errhow can I prevent agpgart from starting?06:10
thoreauputichehe... OK it isn't working...thanks anyway06:10
GoldeNArCok.. it appears lvm is not installed06:11
carthiknomasteryoda, essentially I was trying to upgrade to the latest ipw2100 module, but I will have to wait, not too sure i can use the debian repo source. Thanks for trying anyways, gotta run along now, see you later.06:11
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GoldeNArCthis is were I get lost. were do I get it? and how do I install it06:11
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joshua__ok i give up06:11
prakcrimsun... sorry.. no website i can immediately use.. any thing i should look for specifically?06:12
crimsunGoldeNArC: it's not necessary; it may make life a bit easier later, but it's not necessary.06:12
crimsunGoldeNArC: just use partitionmagic in windows to shrink the size of the ntfs partition06:12
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crimsunGoldeNArC: then move the HD back over and create a ext3 partition. Then copy your files over. We'll walk you through the copying part.06:12
GoldeNArCcrimmy should I create a ext3 part within pqmagic or within linux?06:13
crimsunyou need free space to create an ext3 partition06:14
crimsunso you need to shrink the NTFS partition first06:14
joshua__oh my grub is borked... would it be bad to run off the warty kernel images in hoary?06:14
GoldeNArCyes. that'll be easy, so once done shrinking should I put the hd back in this box then create the ext3 partition06:15
crimsunjoshua__: not at all. I'm doing that now.06:15
joshua__crimsun, ok, because i can't get grub to find my hoary kernel images on my hoary paritition... it keeps looking for them on the warty partition06:16
DespairAnyone getting crashes on start of gnome-control-center in hoary? (complains about missing /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libvfolder-desktop.so)06:16
nomasteryodajoshua__, i remember booting with the ubuntu bootable cd then modifiying the grub file to match06:16
joshua__nomasteryoda, i can get into warty just fine, so i can edit grub to point to the right place06:16
joshua__nomasteryoda, im telling grub to look in the correct place, its just getting lost06:17
nomasteryodaobviously that doesn't make sense, but yea... i got strangeness with 2 ubuntus06:17
nomasteryodaman i wish i had that system here06:17
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joshua__correct me if im wrong... but the correct root location for /dev/hda4 is (hd0,3)06:20
nomasteryodano, thats right06:20
prakcrimsun... and others.. got it to work. i patiently went through each setting in alsa... thanks..06:20
crimsungood to hear.06:21
prakso i have been using sid for a whole year.. or more.. got a shining new warty installed on my laptop moments back06:21
prakits a great leap for lnx..06:21
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joshua__way to go mike00106:22
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nomasteryodajoshua__, so yours looks like06:23
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nomasteryodakernel /boot/vmlinuz- root=/dev/hda4 ro quiet splash apm=off acpi=on06:23
nomasteryodainitrd /boot/initrd.img-
Amroclamont, why dont you come to jujistu anymore?06:24
joshua__well minus the apm and acpi06:24
nomasteryodayea i dumped those too06:24
joshua__and before that root (hd0,3)06:24
joshua__makes no sense06:24
nomasteryodaand the other one has similar06:24
joshua__same exact format06:25
zenwhenhow would one add a cdrom as an apt source06:25
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thoreauputiczenwhen: apt-cdrom - but it would need to be a compatible CD - what are you trying to do?06:28
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zenwhenI installed form the preview iso06:28
zenwhenwanted to update from the oficcial06:29
thoreauputiczenwhen: well, you can try apt-cdrom add, but I'm not sure if the format would be supported or not - worth a try I guess06:30
smothe official releases should be, the the most that can go wrong is that it'll complain it can't find any indexes06:30
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thoreauputicsmo: yes, it just *won't co-operate* <grin>06:31
zenwhenIll just keep what I have then06:31
zenwhenIts running great06:31
thoreauputiczenwhen: well, as they say, if it ain't broke...06:31
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Tsjoklathey thoreauputic06:32
thoreauputichi :)06:33
CardinalSinmorning. Does anybody know if there is a gui to manage run levels? I have a client who i've just moved over to Ubuntu and they have no CLI experience. main function is to start and stop apache2.06:33
Tsjoklathow are you thoreauputic.. long time no speak06:33
CardinalSinI am training him in the basics, but he is very nervous.06:34
thoreauputicI'm fine... having trouble remembering who you are - to be frank ;)06:35
thoreauputicTsjoklat: ^^06:35
joshua__is it possible to point grub to load a kernel image on a different partition than the rest of the stuff?06:36
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joshua__do you think it would make a difference if grub was located on a floppy?06:36
nomasteryodajoshua__,  look down near bottom http://mandrakeusers.org/lofiversion/index.php/t20242.html06:36
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joshua__nomasteroyda: ooh... so thats that format "title" then "kernel (hdx,x)/boot06:39
joshua__nomasteryoda, ill try that06:39
nomasteryodathat should work06:39
joshua__nomasteryoda, thanks06:39
nomasteryodaglad google is around06:39
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joshua__ok this is seriously f'd up06:43
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joshua__nomasteryoda, didn't work06:45
nomasteryodasorry man06:46
nomasteryodacan you open a new dialog and paste the menu.lst?06:46
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z4k4ri4anybody here using hoary?06:50
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Tsjoklatwe are all on Suse z4k4ri406:51
joshua__Tsjoklat, don't make fun of the poor kid06:52
lil_anthonyanyone know how to get flashmedia to play sound i have the flashplugin-nonfree installed the media plays but i get no sound06:52
Tsjoklatjoshua_ :P06:52
jiyuu0lil_anthony, try flashplayer-mozilla06:53
lil_anthonyok let me try thanks06:53
JDahlcrimsun: what seemed to lock gnome during start was that gnome-menus was not installed - there was a dependecy conflict with kdelibs+friends.. after I unstalled them and installed gnome-menus everything is fine06:54
z4k4ri4how many meg are daily hoary update?06:55
z4k4ri4on average06:57
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lil_anthonyjiyuu0: does it install the plugin in the /usr/bin/mozilla/plugins dir as libflashplayer.so?06:58
jiyuu0think so...06:58
lil_anthonyok just making sure i had the right links setup06:58
lil_anthonylet me try06:59
bur[n] erwith firefox, it hsould just prompt you to install it06:59
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lil_anthonyhmm i ran apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla then go to the flash page now i nolonger get anything it says stopped06:59
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GotD0tnomasteryoda: this is joshua__ from hoary, yay... but he feels really stupid now07:00
bur[n] ergo to www.cartoonnetwork.com07:00
bur[n] ersee if it worked07:00
bur[n] erseriously, it's my flash tester ;)07:00
nomasteryodait's ok07:00
nomasteryodaglad to help07:00
GotD0tthanks nomasteryoda07:01
nomasteryodaloading line at a time in xchat allowed slower reading07:01
GotD0tnah... im convinced im dyslexic07:01
nomasteryodaor lacking sleep07:01
nomasteryodalike me07:01
nomasteryodagoing to hit the hay07:02
GotD0tcombination of the two07:02
lil_anthonyhmm i'm a checkin tryign to find something that i knwo would have sound07:02
nomasteryodalater all07:02
CardinalSincheers nomasteryoda.07:03
nomasteryodagreeting till next time07:03
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lil_anthonyhmm it doesn't appear to work it starts then stops07:04
jmhodgesanyone here know how well the Wacom tablets are supported?07:07
jmhodgesim debating whether to buy a tablet pc or an ibm t41 with a wacom..07:08
lil_anthonyi get visual but no audio still07:08
lil_anthonythere is not a place to tell it to use alsa?07:09
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lil_anthonydoes dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-browser work for firefox too?07:12
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GoldeNArXthe parts are all done up07:13
GoldeNArXwhat shall I do now?07:14
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farruinnwas there a pre-warty release?07:15
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GoldeNArXanyone around?07:16
GoldeNArXcrimsun: you around?07:17
GotD0tnobody but us fleas07:17
GoldeNArXI make a good flea07:17
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GoldeNArXok.. well07:19
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GoldeNArXI gotta mount this hd.07:19
GoldeNArXnot sure how07:19
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Agrajagwell what is it07:20
GoldeNArXa hard drive07:20
GoldeNArXhehe.. 160gb07:20
topyliGoldeNArX: yes? what's on the disk?07:21
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GoldeNArXmp3s mostly07:21
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GoldeNArXits a long process.  i resized the ntfs partition to make an ext3 partition07:21
GoldeNArXso I need to mount the drive to copy over the mp3s from the ntfs partition07:22
Newbie04Hello, anyone know how to install ubuntu 64 on an Athlon 64 (Soltek mb) with a SATA hd ?07:22
GoldeNArXthen remove the ntfs partition and ad another ext307:22
GotD0tGoldeNArX: i hope you're trying to mount the individual partitions, and not the "drive"07:22
topyliGoldeNArX: and how are you failing to do that?07:22
GoldeNArXi dont know how to mount07:22
GotD0tGoldeNArX: oh... hehe07:23
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topyliGoldeNArX: that can make it difficult, yes :)07:23
GoldeNArXhow do I go about this. (new to linux)07:23
topyliGoldeNArX: is it the only drive you have, or a second one?07:24
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GoldeNArX2nd drive07:24
GotD0ttopyli: you take it, i have to study for an essay07:24
topyliGotD0t: ok, we'll manage07:24
GotD0texam rather07:24
topyliGoldeNArX: ubuntu on first drive, the second is unmounted?07:24
topyliGoldeNArX: in a terminal, do 'sudo fdisk /dev/hdb'07:25
GoldeNArXsudo fdisk /dev/hdb07:25
GoldeNArXok sec07:26
topyliGoldeNArX: press P07:26
Adrenalhow do i install a 3d card driver?07:26
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Adrenalsays i can't be in x desktop07:26
GotD0tAdrenal: warty?07:26
Adrenalbut how do i edit boot so that i am not in the aforementioned x desktop07:26
topyliGoldeNArX: now you should see the partitions07:26
GoldeNArXUnable to open /dev/hdb07:26
GotD0tAdrenal: nevermind... just go into a terminal and type /etc/init.d/gdm stop, and to get back in do startx07:27
GoldeNArXlet me reboot this machine to make sure hard drive detected07:27
topyliGoldeNArX: forgot sudo?07:27
GotD0tAdrenal: note... it will exit all apps open07:27
Newbie04GoldeNArX: Where did you connect that second drive ?07:27
Adrenalso i type that07:27
Adrenalthen when i'm done07:27
GoldeNArXits on secondary controler07:27
GotD0tyou don't need to reboot07:27
GoldeNArXits master on secodary07:27
GotD0tjust do that now07:27
Adrenalso i hit that07:27
GotD0tand you don't have to reboot07:27
topyliGoldeNArX: then it's hdc07:27
Agrajagthat's hdc07:27
Adrenalcd to the directory with the driver07:27
Newbie04Then its /dev/hdc07:28
Adrenalrun as normal07:28
Agrajagfdisk -l /dev/hdc07:28
Adrenalthen start x07:28
GotD0tno space07:28
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GoldeNArXThe number of cylinders for this disk is set to 19457.07:28
GoldeNArXThere is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,07:28
GoldeNArXand could in certain setups cause problems with:07:28
GoldeNArX1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)07:28
GoldeNArX2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs07:28
GoldeNArX   (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)07:28
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Newbie04Anyone know how to install ubuntu 64 on an Athlon 64 (Soltek mb) with a SATA hd ?07:28
topyliGoldeNArX: ok, press P and you should see the partitions07:28
AgrajagGoldeNArX: use -l07:28
Agrajagfdisk -l /dev/hdc07:28
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GoldeNArXlinux native, linux swap, whole drive07:29
GoldeNArXdisk sorry07:29
|QuaD-_are there any places to read about what is actively being developed on hoary (like a log book)07:29
Agrajagnothing about an ntfs/hpfs partition?07:29
topyliGoldeNArX: no ntfs?07:29
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GoldeNArXjust says hold disk07:30
Agrajagthat doesn't sound good07:30
GoldeNArX   Device Flag    Start       End    Blocks   Id  System07:30
GoldeNArX/dev/hdc1             0      1935    975240   83  Linux native07:30
GoldeNArX/dev/hdc2  u       1935      2036     50904   82  Linux swap07:30
GoldeNArX/dev/hdc3             0      2036   1026144    5  Whole disk07:30
GoldeNArXwhole disk07:30
Agrajagwell maybe it's just got the wrong type listed.07:30
Agrajagwhat happens when you run this: "sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs && mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc3 /mnt/ntfs"07:31
rattboi|QuaD-: I want to know that too07:31
AgrajagDoes it give you any errors?07:31
topyliGoldeNArX: perhaps that's the wrong drive after all, try /dev/hda too :)07:31
Newbie04Partition 5 is probably the Etended, nothing in there07:32
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GoldeNArXso what should I do from here?07:32
GoldeNArXthee should be a ntfs partition07:32
topyliGoldeNArX: did you try Agrajag's mount command07:32
Agrajager, that should be: "sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs && sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc3 /mnt/ntfs"07:33
Agrajagforgot the second sudo\07:33
topyliGoldeNArX: you can press Q in the fdisk terminal now, we don't want to make any mistakes there :)07:33
Newbie04  ...   mkdir -f .. ?07:34
rattboianyone know about doing captive-ntfs?07:34
rattboiI actually got it working, but only with root07:34
lil_anthonyhow do i start and stop the alsa daemon please? is it not /etc/init.d/alsa start/stop?07:34
GoldeNArXi'm at a blank terminal07:35
GoldeNArXwhats my first steps?07:35
topyliGoldeNArX: then do ls /mnt/ntfs07:35
GoldeNArXdid that and it did nothing07:35
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Newbie04Any messages after the mount command ?07:36
GoldeNArXsudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs07:36
GoldeNArXfirst right07:36
[BTM] geesomeone that knows if there is a good program to use when you want to add game servers?07:36
Agrajagthen sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc3 /mnt/ntfs07:36
[BTM] geelike all seeing eyes if somebody knows what it is07:37
GoldeNArXhrmm.. this is odd07:38
GoldeNArXnone of it seems to work07:38
topyliGoldeNArX: if you now type just 'mount', do you see the /mnt/ntfs mount point listed?07:38
Agrajagbut when you try to mount, it doesn't give you an error or anything?07:38
topyliGoldeNArX: do 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda' -- to make sure we really have the correct disk here :)07:39
GoldeNArX Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System07:39
GoldeNArX/dev/hda1   *           1        8447     3991176   83  Linux07:39
GoldeNArX/dev/hda2            8448        8895      211680    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)07:39
GoldeNArX/dev/hda5            8448        8895      211648+  82  Linux swap07:39
Newbie04Can I make the Warty (64 bit) installation CD 'see' a SATA drive ?07:39
GoldeNArX   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System07:40
GoldeNArX/dev/hdc1               1        8287    66565296    7  HPFS/NTFS07:40
GoldeNArX/dev/hdc2            8288       19457    89723025    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)07:40
GoldeNArX/dev/hdc5            8288       19457    89722993+  83  Linux07:40
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GoldeNArXthose are the 2 drives07:40
GoldeNArXthats the 1.07:41
Agrajagthat didn't show up before07:41
GoldeNArXso which command do I run first from herE?07:41
topyliGoldeNArX: now we are going somewhere :)07:41
Agrajagsudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/ntfs07:41
zenwhenI nevr recognize you with that name.07:42
GoldeNArXgives me a whole screen of the command usage07:42
AgrajagDid you type it right?07:42
Agrajagjust copy and paste07:42
topyliGoldeNArX: the command seems sane anough to me07:42
[BTM] geeGoldeNArX try sudo mount -t ntfs -o gid=1000,uid=1000, /dev/hdc1 /mnt/ntfs thats my mount07:42
Agrajagmaybe you should do sudo umount /mnt/ntfs first07:43
[BTM] geedont know what gid and uid you have07:43
topyliAgrajag: do we have ntfs support by default btw?07:43
Agrajagtopyli: yes07:43
Agrajagthis isn't fedora07:43
GoldeNArXsays it wasent mounted07:43
AgrajagGoldeNArX: so try sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/ntfs again07:43
GoldeNArXbtm's mount command worked07:44
[BTM] geehad the same problem, just had to add the gid and uid07:44
Agrajaghm, I never did07:44
[BTM] geehehe nice:)07:44
Newbie04Agrajag: do we have SATA (nVidia) support by default ?07:44
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[BTM] geefirst time i ever helped someone :D07:44
Agrajagno idea07:44
GoldeNArXit just poped up07:44
Agrajag/dev/hda1               /mnt/windows    ntfs            users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec       0 007:44
Agrajagthat's mine07:44
[BTM] geegoodie GoldeNArX :)07:44
topyliGoldeNArX: so now if you ls /mnt/ntfs, you see a listing?07:44
[BTM] geeyou know that you only have read right?07:45
[BTM] geeyou cant write07:45
GoldeNArXi need to mount the ext3 partition now07:45
[BTM] geegood07:45
topyliGoldeNArX: great. you can now copy your mp3's and pr0n out of there07:45
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Newbie04The uid, gid is to make some user owner after the mount07:45
[BTM] geemm07:45
GoldeNArXI need to mount the ext3 partition now07:46
GoldeNArXhow do I do that?07:46
[BTM] geeNewbie04 do you know any good program that lists gaming servers ?07:46
[BTM] geeGoldeNArX hm w807:46
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nomasteryodasame way07:46
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topyliGoldeNArX: ok. sudo mkdir /mnt/ext3, then sudo mount /dev/hdc5 /mnt/ext307:47
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nomasteryodatopyli, there you go07:47
Newbie04[BTM] gee: Sorry, don't know anything about gaming  :(07:47
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[BTM] geehehe k:)07:47
Danko123456thats better07:47
crimsun[BTM] gee: xqf07:47
[BTM] geetnx crimsun07:47
GoldeNArXok that worked07:47
Danko123456I just joined a room "ubuntuchannel:07:47
topyliGoldeNArX: ok, now copy the files07:48
[BTM] geehope it works with quake307:48
crimsun[BTM] gee: of course07:48
GoldeNArXsays I have no permision to write to folder07:48
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[BTM] gee:)07:49
rattboihey, easy thing07:49
rattboihow do I tile the windows in Gnome?07:49
[BTM] geecrimsun what driver do you use? nvidia?07:49
crimsun[BTM] gee: yes. 1.0-662907:49
GoldeNArXno permision fellas?07:49
[BTM] geeyepp same here07:49
[BTM] geegot some probs with it07:49
topyliGoldeNArX: sudo cp -a /mnt/ntfs/* /mnt/ext3 will copy them as they are07:50
[BTM] geewont accept 1600x1200, and it wont apply my changes with the vertrefresh07:50
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topyliGoldeNArX: but you may want to make another subdir under /mnt/ext3 first07:50
[BTM] geehave you ever had that prob?07:50
Danko123456What language are most of the ubuntu applications written in?07:50
Newbie04Can I make the Warty (64 bit) installation CD 'see' a SATA drive and install on this ?07:50
crimsunDanko123456: C, Python07:50
Danko123456Cool, Thanks.07:51
crimsunDanko123456: but you should really ask for specific "applications"07:51
Danko123456How do AI find the source code?07:51
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crimsunDanko123456: available in the ubuntu repositories07:51
GoldeNArXit wont allow me to create the folder?07:51
Danko123456I guess, I thought that myself while I was writing.07:51
topyliGoldeNArX: you need to work with sudo all the time now07:51
crimsunGoldeNArX: that's because your user doesn't have permission07:51
crimsunGoldeNArX: use what topyli suggested07:52
[BTM] geehm did you see what i wrote crimsun ?:)07:52
Newbie04GoldeNArX: or do:  sudo chmod 777 /mnt/ext307:52
crimsun01:50 < topyli> GoldeNArX: sudo cp -a /mnt/ntfs/* /mnt/ext3/.07:52
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crimsun[BTM] gee: one sec07:52
[BTM] geenp07:52
Danko123456Is there any code written in .net languages?, would taht work at all?07:52
topylicrimsun: gee it's late there :)07:52
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[BTM] gee*hh*07:53
GoldeNArXthat works07:53
crimsunDanko123456: warty doesn't officially have mono support; hoary will07:53
crimsunDanko123456: currently mono* are in hoary's universe07:53
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thoreauputic_hmm... lots of themes available for irssi... not many that I like, though07:53
AgrajagDanko123456: you can install mono from another repo though07:53
crimsun[BTM] gee: what application(s) are you trying to force into 16x12?07:53
Danko123456Well I do not even know what mono is.07:53
AgrajagI have muine installed07:53
Agrajagmono is a .NET implementation07:53
crimsunDanko123456: www.go-mono.com07:53
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[BTM] geex of course07:54
GoldeNArXthis may take awhile07:54
Danko123456thanks very much.07:54
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GoldeNArXgot another question.  is it necasary to have a swap partition on each hd?07:54
topyliGoldeNArX: verify that the files are there, umount the partitions, and then you can destroy the ntfs partition with gparted or something07:54
Danko123456And I guess then there is not many programs written in .net.07:54
topyliGoldeNArX: no, one swap per system07:54
crimsunGoldeNArX: you don't need swap at all if you have gobs of physical memory07:54
crimsunGoldeNArX: it all depends on your working set07:55
[BTM] geeadded 16x12 in xf86config-4, and it adds 1400x1050?:D07:55
GoldeNArXwell. this box is only 128 ram07:55
Danko123456So I guess mono is like the whole development environment, or just a runtime one?07:55
[BTM] geeits very odd07:55
crimsunGoldeNArX: so you'll want at least 256 MB swap07:55
Newbie04Guys, can I make the Warty (64 bit) installation CD 'see' a SATA drive and install on this ?07:55
crimsun[BTM] gee: does your monitor support 16x12 at the resolution you're attempting to use?07:55
[BTM] geehehe of course:)07:55
crimsun[BTM] gee: err, at the refresh rate07:56
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Danko123456K im sorry you kinda answered that already.07:56
GoldeNArXok. the reason why I asked is pqmagic made a swap partition on this drive when the boot drive has its own swap partition.07:56
[BTM] geewell the problem is that it wont add 16x1207:56
GoldeNArXis there a way for me to check my swap partition size?07:56
AgrajagGoldeNArX: free07:56
crimsun[BTM] gee: then add it yourself07:56
Agrajagfree -m to see it in megabytes07:56
[BTM] geedone it in every way, but it wont change07:56
[BTM] geethats the wierd part07:56
Newbie04swap -s  ??07:56
[BTM] geewhat card do you use?07:56
crimsun[BTM] gee: http://sh.nu/nvidia/gtf.php07:57
[BTM] geenice nice07:57
crimsun[BTM] gee: generaet a modeline, place that modeline in Section "Monitor"07:57
[BTM] geeait07:57
crimsun[BTM] gee: then prepend it to the list of Modes in Section "Screen"07:57
[BTM] geek07:58
crimsun[BTM] gee: then restart gdm07:58
GoldeNArXMem:           124        122          1          0          0         5807:58
GoldeNArX-/+ buffers/cache:         63         6007:58
GoldeNArXSwap:          206         27        17807:58
GoldeNArXso my sway is 206 mb07:58
GoldeNArXswap instead07:58
Danko123456So, basically, the mono thing is gonna work on the warthog?07:59
AgrajagDanko123456: what07:59
AgrajagDanko123456: warty does not support mono.07:59
GoldeNArXwell the swap part is 2gb i think07:59
Danko123456Oh, that means it wont work I guess.07:59
Newbie04The swap on hdc is probably not added07:59
AgrajagDanko123456: you can add an apt repo for it but it's not supported07:59
GoldeNArXhow big should I make the swap07:59
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Agrajagit will work07:59
topyliDanko123456: mono works once you get it installed07:59
Agrajagit's just not supported07:59
Danko123456I see, well thats good, cause I dont know how to do anything yet.08:00
crimsunGoldeNArX: scroll up08:00
Danko123456on this OS.08:00
Danko123456I mean, I know how to use the GUI.08:00
Danko123456but thats it.08:00
topyliDanko123456: that's plenty :)08:00
Danko123456Can I ask you guys questions about it?08:00
GoldeNArXso 256 is sufficient. making it any bigger wont make it faster or anything?08:00
Danko123456I mean I guess youre here for that?>08:00
crimsunGoldeNArX: no, HD-based swap is slow08:01
crimsunGoldeNArX: but you need at _least_ 25608:01
crimsunGoldeNArX: particularly if you plan to use X Windows on that machine08:01
GoldeNArXok. is 300 megs a decent number?08:01
Danko123456How would I go about installing a bittorent program?08:01
Danko123456How do you install I guess.08:02
bpd1069Is there a way to force the motherboard to use 4x AGP ? my motherboard specs to 4x but I can't seem to see indication that it will get past 1x... do I actually need a card in the AGP slot to utilize 4x (PCI video card ati 9200SE)?08:02
AgrajagDanko123456: apt-get install bittornado bittornado-gui08:02
topyliGoldeNArX: it all depends. how much swap are you using right now?08:02
Danko123456thank you.08:02
topyliGoldeNArX: i mean how much is actually in use?08:02
Agrajagbpd1069: how exactly do you plan on using AGP on a PCI video card?08:02
GoldeNArX27 meg08:02
zenwhenbpd1069, yes, of course oyu need an AGP card for 4x agp.08:02
Newbie04I have 750MB RAM and still using 800MB Swap   :-(08:02
zenwhenThats the whole ppoint of AGP.08:02
crimsunGoldeNArX: you need at least 256. Somewhere between 256 and 512 should be ok.08:02
zenwhenMy head hurts. :(08:03
crimsunNewbie04: what's your working set size?08:03
topyliGoldeNArX: seems to be sufficient then08:03
GoldeNArXyeah.. i'm sure its fine.08:03
GoldeNArXshould get more ram for this box08:03
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bpd1069via the radeon drivers...  BusType option forces to PCI but it still goes to teh agpgart right?08:03
Danko123456you guys are so nice, thanks for now.08:03
topyliGoldeNArX: definitely you should double it08:03
Newbie04crimsun: Ehhh ?  Swap ?08:03
bpd1069thanks zenwhen..08:03
Newbie04GoldeNArX: good idea08:04
crimsunNewbie04: free -m|grep -|awk -F' ' '{print $4}'08:04
topylilinux likes ram :)08:04
[BTM] geecrimsun nah couldnt dl it08:04
[BTM] geeheh..:)08:04
crimsun[BTM] gee: couldn't "dl" it?08:04
[BTM] geedownload08:04
[BTM] geeit08:04
GoldeNArXits only a pIII 450. seems to be running ok. I know it lacks in ram.  but xp was basically unbearable08:04
crimsun[BTM] gee: download what?08:04
[BTM] geethat program08:05
topyliGoldeNArX: the cpu is not as important as ram on a desktop box i think08:05
crimsun[BTM] gee: you don't download it, you use it. It's a cgi script.08:05
[BTM] geeah08:05
[BTM] geelyl08:05
[BTM] geeiam tired :)08:05
[BTM] geeaf hel08:05
[BTM] gee+l08:05
GoldeNArXtopyli : agreed.08:05
crimsun[BTM] gee: the same program is available on your computer as /usr/bin/gtf08:06
[BTM] geeoh k08:06
Newbie04crimsun: do you know if I can install Warty on a SATA disk ? (Athlon 64/Soltek-nVidia)08:06
GoldeNArXonce this stuff is done copying i'm gonna drop this hd back into my main machine and use pqmagic to delete the ntfs part and resize the ext3 part to the whole size of the drive.08:07
GoldeNArXwhen i'm done that i'm gonna need to know how to mount the drive when the machine starts up08:07
Newbie04GoldeNArX: you need edit the /etc/fstab08:08
AgrajagGoldeNArX: add it to /etc/fstab08:08
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topyliGoldeNArX: you can use the other ext3 partitions in /etc/fstab as templates for your new line08:08
GoldeNArXyeah.. it'd be easy08:09
topyliGoldeNArX: you also probably want to take care of permissions on the partition, right now i guess they will be owned by root08:09
GoldeNArXi dont think i made a root password08:10
topyliGoldeNArX: yeah, that's why we use sudo :)08:10
crimsunNewbie04: I don't know offhand. Have you checked the wiki?08:10
topyliGoldeNArX: but you want your user(s) have read-write access to the files and dirs on the new partition i guess08:11
GoldeNArXit wont let me do anything to the fstab file08:11
Newbie04crimsun: Nope, just tried the Warty CD    ....    see, that's my nick  ;-)08:11
GoldeNArXthere is only 1 user08:11
GoldeNArXhow am I gonna change that?08:11
GoldeNArXcan I login as root?08:11
topyliGoldeNArX: you need sudo to edit fstab08:12
Agrajaguse sudo08:12
Newbie04GoldeNArX: sudo -s08:12
GoldeNArXoh. thats right08:12
crimsunjust use sudo08:12
Agrajagsudo gedit /etc/fstab08:12
GoldeNArXi understand now08:12
Danko123456Which directory does a program go to when you install it with the root?08:12
Newbie04No elvis ?   ;-)08:12
GoldeNArXsudo is like passive or something?08:12
topyliGoldeNArX: anyway, no need to edit fstab now, because you can't be sure what the disk will look like after you edit it :)08:13
AgrajagDanko123456: executables go to /usr/bin or /bin, libraries to /usr/lib or /lib, other parts go to /usr/share08:13
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Newbie04crimsun: Do I just have to search for Wiki on the main site ?08:13
GoldeNArXok. so whats my best bet for user access? loging in as root is not smart?08:13
rattboiyo, who was saying they used ion2?08:14
rattboiit's pretty cool08:14
crimsunNewbie04: go to the wiki, search for SATA08:14
Agrajagno, and that's why you can't log in as root.08:14
rattboiit'll take a little while to get used to though08:14
Newbie04GoldeNArX: you could make subdirectories on your mounted disk and chown on those08:14
Newbie04Ok crimsun, thx I will08:14
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Danko123456Now that I have installed bittornado, and I know which directory the binary is in, how do I get started on downloading files?08:14
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topyliGoldeNArX: if you need a real root session, you can do 'sudo -s' in a terminal. but i don't think you need to08:15
punk0hi somebody have asterisk in ubuntu08:15
GoldeNArXok.. so in order to have full access to the drives and stuff. what is it I should do?08:15
GoldeNArXforgive if some of my questions are air headed08:15
GoldeNArXthey are usually regardless.. right crimmy?08:16
crimsunyou already have full access08:16
punk0im have problems compiling zaptel modules08:16
GoldeNArXwhy is it I was stuck to using sudo then?08:16
GoldeNArXwhat if I want to use the gui?08:17
Newbie04GoldeNArX: sudo mkdir /mnt/ext3/<mydir> && sudo chown <myname> /mnt/ext3/<mydir>08:17
GoldeNArXi'm gonna not get ahead of myself here08:17
crimsunGoldeNArX needs to pass a umask option to mount, that's all08:17
topyliGoldeNArX: something like 'sudo chown -R GoldeNArX:GoldeNArX /mnt/ext3/*'. although i don't think your username is GoldeNArX :)08:17
crimsunthere's more information in the mount man page08:17
lil_anthonyquestion where should the mozilla-firefoxrc be placed in ubuntu?08:17
GoldeNArXi'm gonna cross that bridge when this is done copying and i've resized the part08:18
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topyliGoldeNArX: oh yes, and when you mount it, mount it right, like crimsun here says08:18
Danko123456What kind of questions do you guys answer, is there a policy or sthg like that?08:18
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crimsunDanko123456: we should all answer the ones we can08:19
Newbie04Ok guys, I'm outahere (8:20am, time for work)08:19
topyliDanko123456: the kind we know something about08:19
Danko123456Now that I have installed bittornado, and I know which directory the binary is in, how do I get started on downloading files?08:19
Danko123456Is there a manual for using the program?08:20
Danko123456d bittornado,08:20
crimsunman bittornado08:20
crimsunand use a popular search engine to find web sites for torrent trackers08:21
GoldeNArXhow does one tell how much space is left on drive>?08:21
crimsunleft? cfdisk will tell you.08:22
topyliGoldeNArX: df08:22
crimsunon a mounted partition, df will tell you.08:22
topyliuse the -h option to get "human readable" output :)08:22
GoldeNArXgod.. is there a book of common linux commands?08:23
Danko123456That easy, hey?08:23
crimsunGoldeNArX: of course08:23
Danko123456good, thankl you.08:23
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topyliGoldeNArX: make notes while you're on irc, and you'll have your list of commands soon ;)08:24
GoldeNArXyeah.. i've been doing that.08:24
GoldeNArXtho i'm not clear on what sudo does exactly08:24
topyliGoldeNArX: sudo runs the command as root basically08:25
GoldeNArXic. what was confusing me is "sudo is like the single command used" when only its a mode for a command.. right?08:25
Danko123456Is the man for bittornado supposed to work in any directory?08:25
crimsunGoldeNArX: read sudo(8): man 8 sudo08:26
topyliGoldeNArX: no, sudo is the command you run, and then sudo runs the command you give it as an argument08:26
GoldeNArXok. I understand.08:26
GoldeNArXcrimmy: I dont get your reference there08:26
topyliman sudo and man sudoers will tell you all08:27
crimsunGoldeNArX: in a terminal, read the man page.08:27
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GoldeNArXthis is very cool.  to be honest the furthest i've been yet.08:28
BlacKnight|hi everyone!08:28
Danko123456what about the commands that are not common, like the bottorent one, are they stored in a path accessible directory i.e. man bittorent would work from any directory?08:28
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GoldeNArXbut copying my music to the ext3 part is the final step, then i'm fully commited08:28
BlacKnight|i'm trying to install ubuntu over an existing installation of mdk08:29
Danko123456hi BK.08:29
GoldeNArX65 gigs is taking awhile tho08:29
ficusplanetI noticed since upgrading to hoary that directories don't automatically update (I have to refresh to see changes).  Is there any way to fix this?08:29
topyliDanko123456: yes, man searches the $MANPATH08:29
Danko123456I see, mine is not pulling anything.08:29
Danko123456for that program.08:29
BlacKnight|basically i wanted to keep my /home (hda8), and format / (hda5) and /usr (hda7)08:29
BlacKnight|hrmm i'm doing a bad job of describing this08:29
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topyliDanko123456: yes, because there is no command "bittornado". try 'man btdownloadgui'08:30
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crimsunGoldeNArX: yes, it will08:30
BlacKnight|i'll give you the error first: when tyring to complete partitioning, i get this error from parted: "this ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout"08:30
BlacKnight|(for hda8)08:30
BlacKnight|then it says that i can't use hda808:30
BlacKnight|... because i'm trying to use the existing /home08:31
GoldeNArXok. next question.  If I want to share this drive (hdc) over a network so windows can read off it. will that be tough?\08:31
BlacKnight|this is all complicated by the fact that i have two existing windows partitions also08:31
crimsunGoldeNArX: nope, just need to configure /etc/samba/smb.conf and restart samba08:31
topyliGoldeNArX: you need to set up samba08:31
BlacKnight|so does anyone have any idea what i should do?08:31
GoldeNArXget to that later aswel08:32
GoldeNArXwhat time is it for all you guys>08:32
BlacKnight|(i don't know why the installer is tyring to use parted anyway.. i don't want to resize any of my partitions)08:32
topyliGoldeNArX: then you'll have samba mp3's :)08:32
crimsun2:32 AM EST08:32
crimsunfairly early in the day08:32
topyliGoldeNArX: 09:33:02 EET08:33
GoldeNArXcrimmy: do you not sleep bro?08:33
GoldeNArXits 12:33 here08:33
Danko123456Im cst08:33
crimsunGoldeNArX: I sleep when I'm wide awake.08:33
GoldeNArXfor real?08:34
Danko123456I dont get it08:34
topylii sleep at work08:34
RuffianSoldierI get it08:34
Danko123456I really dont know.08:34
crimsunBlacKnight|: ok, basically you should tell it to use hda5 (/) first08:35
topyliBlacKnight|: i hope it's not trying to format hda808:35
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crimsunBlacKnight|: then see if you can split /usr onto hda708:36
BlacKnight|so do i topyli08:36
BlacKnight|crimsun: how do you mean tell it to use that first?08:36
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BlacKnight|do the partitioning one at a time?08:36
BlacKnight|i get some error about hda1 (the primary windows partition) not being setup correctly08:36
crimsunBlacKnight|: one logical partition per step, yes. Usually installers ask for a partition first onto which to place /08:37
BlacKnight|ah ok i'll try that08:37
Danko123456Hey, I wanted to ask this: is there an antivirus program for ubuntu?08:37
crimsunDanko123456: there are some for Linux, yes, like clamav, f-prot, etc.; on the whole, they're not necessary08:38
Danko123456is that an oximoron?08:38
Danko123456I guess kinda08:38
Danko123456How do I find out if there is a java compiler on my computer, do i just try to compile something?08:39
GoldeNArXmy god this is slow08:39
GoldeNArXguess cause its from an ntfs part08:39
BlacKnight|ummm crimsun: now it's installing ubuntu to the 2 gig / partition08:39
BlacKnight|it hasn't asked me anything about a /home partition, etc08:40
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topyliGoldeNArX: the ntfs support might be slow. disks are slow anyway08:40
GoldeNArXtopyli/crimmy: is there a version of winamp for linux?08:40
topyliGoldeNArX: heavens, no! :)08:40
|QuaD-GoldeNArX: xmms is pretty similar08:40
BlacKnight|xmms is better08:40
GoldeNArXxmms.. url?08:41
BlacKnight|they need to release a gtk2 version of it though08:41
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: isn't xmms just a copy of winamp08:41
|QuaD-GoldeNArX: google08:41
thoreauputicGoldeNArX: notice the first 3 letters of "Winamp" ;)08:41
topyliBlacKnight|: i hear beep is just that08:41
topylibeep media player08:41
BlacKnight|oh awesome, i've never heard of that08:42
crimsunBlacKnight|: it's not really an issue if /home is created on the 2 gig / (hda5)08:42
BlacKnight|can i go back and fix that later?08:42
crimsunBlacKnight|: remember that you can always mount /dev/hda8 as /home in /etc/fstab08:42
BlacKnight|ah ok08:42
BlacKnight|and what if i want /usr on hda708:42
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BlacKnight|should i have done that back then?08:43
Danko123456Anyhow, I heard that lets say, a solaris compiler for java can be installed on my ubuntu system, does it then mean that when I compile with that, the executable will run on my comp?08:43
crimsunBlacKnight|: yes, generally separate them in the installer; I haven't tried that in the installer, however.08:43
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BlacKnight|what i want to know is why parted was touching my hda808:43
crimsunBlacKnight|: there is also a way of doing it after things are set up08:43
crimsunBlacKnight|: did you tell it to set up Ubuntu on hda8 ?08:44
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BlacKnight|no, i told it to use the exisiting data and mount it at /home08:44
topyliDanko123456: you need the compiler to be for your architecture. but the resulting binaries should run anywhere08:44
BlacKnight|i hope it hasnt buggered up my /home partition08:44
topyliDanko123456: i mean your OS, not arch08:44
crimsunBlacKnight|: hmm, normally installers look guidance where to install /08:45
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topyliDanko123456: not that i know much about java08:45
[BTM] geecrimsun heh tnx for all the help m8, very nice of you08:45
[BTM] geebut it didnt work...its my friends fault just because he did a new kernel08:45
crimsunDanko123456: javac08:45
[BTM] geehate him for it08:46
Danko123456Well if I wrote in "gcj CompanyPayroll.java" and it said "bash: gcj: command not found" that means I do not have the gcj program installed?08:46
crimsunDanko123456: that's correct08:46
[BTM] geeill let him do all the work with this problem, his fault from the beginning08:46
|QuaD-Danko123456: correct08:46
[BTM] gee:)08:46
[BTM] geetnx for you time08:46
Danko123456But you are saying that there is a javac installed?08:46
|QuaD-Danko123456: do you care about the differences between closed and open source?08:46
GoldeNArX35 gigs left to copy08:46
BlacKnight|crimsun: will the 2 gig on hda5 be enough for the entire ubuntu install?08:46
|QuaD-do you?08:46
BlacKnight|and what's the best way to move /usr to hda7?08:46
crimsunBlacKnight|: yep08:46
Danko123456I do not understand your q.08:47
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|QuaD-do you prefer open source software to closed source?08:47
Danko123456what a q08:47
|QuaD-i have a reason for asking08:47
Danko123456I really could not tell you.08:47
topyliDanko123456: i guess |QuaD- is asking because sun's compiler might be better than the gnu one08:47
Danko123456Cause I do not know the exact definitions08:47
|QuaD-Danko123456: i would reccomend sun's java rather then gcj08:47
Danko123456but from what I understand08:47
|QuaD-topyli: yeah08:47
|QuaD-RuffianSoldier: :)08:48
Danko123456I prefer open08:48
crimsunBlacKnight|: you make a new filesystem on /dev/hda7, create a new mountpoint (say, /mnt/newusr), mount /dev/hda7 /mnt/newusr, cp -a /usr/* /mnt/newusr/.08:48
Danko123456I mean08:48
|QuaD-Danko123456: ok, then stick with gcj08:48
crimsunBlacKnight|: then you add/modify the entry in /etc/fstab to point to your new /usr partition08:48
crimsunBlacKnight|: when you reboot, it uses that.08:48
BlacKnight|ok thanks08:48
Danko123456I do not get it.08:48
Danko123456Where can I read a good explanation08:49
Danko123456of the principles?08:49
crimsunDanko123456: an explanation of what?08:49
BlacKnight|and as for /home, is there anything ubuntu puts in ~ that i'll need, or can i scrap the ubuntu /home and just replace it with my hda8 one?08:49
|QuaD-Danko123456: principles of what?08:49
crimsunBlacKnight|: you can use your old hda8 /home08:49
Danko123456of what it means to be open source code exactly08:49
BlacKnight|now let's hope it still exists!08:49
|QuaD-Danko123456: source is published08:50
topyliDanko123456: opensource.org has the definition08:50
BlacKnight|can i just use fdisk to do the partitioning of hda7?08:50
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Danko123456thank you08:50
crimsunDanko123456: http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php08:50
Danko123456Thank you.08:50
|QuaD-wow... when i get xorg back up, i will have to check that out08:50
|QuaD-nevernew about it08:50
BlacKnight|oh, no i have to use mkext3fs right?08:50
|QuaD-i don't believe in reading my opinions though, i like formulating my own08:50
BlacKnight|what's the current version of kde that are in the ubuntu sources?08:51
BlacKnight|for warty08:51
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: none08:51
topyli|QuaD-: well, Open Source is a trademark, not an opinion these days :)08:51
crimsunBlacKnight|: 3.208:51
BlacKnight|i thought there were kde packages...08:51
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crimsun     4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2 008:51
crimsun        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages08:51
|QuaD-you can install it08:51
|QuaD-but its not supported08:52
crimsunDanko123456:      4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2 008:52
crimsun        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages08:52
BlacKnight|crimsun: does quad know what he's talking about?08:52
crimsunsorry about the paste08:52
crimsunDanko123456: http://www.debian.org/intro/free08:52
BlacKnight||QuaD-: that's why i asked which ones are in the sources08:52
BlacKnight|can i install the deb packages for kde 3.3.2?08:52
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: i know what i am talking about08:52
crimsunBlacKnight|: are you on Warty?08:52
thoreauputicBlacKnight|: sort of - you can get KDE but it isn't supported08:52
crimsunBlacKnight|: Warty has KDE packages in 'universe'08:53
BlacKnight|crimsun: yeah i have warty08:53
topyliBlacKnight|: yes, you can install kde from universe. some people have reported it also works fine08:53
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BlacKnight|and the one in universe is 3.2?08:53
crimsun(it does work fine)08:53
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: it can break your system08:53
topyli|QuaD-: come on, you just don't like kde08:54
BlacKnight|how about if i want kde 3.3.1/2?08:54
|QuaD-topyli: i LOVE kde08:54
Danko123456What language is mozilla firefox written in?08:54
|QuaD-i would much rather have that on here08:54
crimsunDanko123456: C/C++08:54
GoldeNArXwhat the hell is kde?08:54
crimsunGoldeNArX: www.kde.org08:54
GoldeNArXits a gui?08:54
|QuaD-GoldeNArX: like gnome, but different08:54
crimsunBlacKnight|: you have to wait a little bit08:54
crimsunGoldeNArX: GNOME and KDE are both desktop environments08:54
BlacKnight|i'm quite fond of kde... i'd go without if i didn't use kmail, kopete, kpilot and korganizer08:54
thoreauputicGoldeNArX: a desktop environment GUI08:54
thoreauputicGoldeNArX: for other window managers look at xwinman.org08:55
topyliBlacKnight|: if you use many kde apps, you might as well get the whole thing08:55
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: until a few months ago (when ubuntu came out) i thought the same08:55
|QuaD-thoreauputic: you are not a devel, right?08:55
BlacKnight|topyli: yeah i was planning on doing just that08:55
BlacKnight|but i don't like the idea of using 3.2.108:55
crimsunI use lots of different apps08:56
thoreauputic|QuaD-: no, I'm just interested08:56
RibsAnyone use Cedega on Ubuntu?08:56
crimsunRibs: it works fine08:56
|QuaD-thoreauputic: OK, i jsut had a uestion for one08:56
Ribscrimsun: Not the experience I'm having :(08:56
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GoldeNArXgnome is the most common? I think i'm in gnome now08:56
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: install from source08:56
|QuaD-GoldeNArX: i think kde is more popular08:56
Ribscrimsun: Did you do anything special to get it working?08:56
crimsunRibs: I'm using an older version: 4.0.1-108:56
Danko123456What level of knowledge do you think I need to have in order to modify the source code for Mozilla firefox so that I have a different context menu pop up when I click on a link on a web page?08:56
topyliGoldeNArX: gnome is the default on ubuntu. kde is probably more common elsewhere though08:57
Ribscrimsun: yeah, tried that08:57
|QuaD-Danko123456: do you know how to code?08:57
Ribstried all the cedega's, and some WineX releases08:57
Ribsno games install at all08:57
GoldeNArXanything pertic better on kde?08:57
|QuaD-GoldeNArX: preference08:57
topyliGoldeNArX: no. they're just different08:57
Danko123456I learned a bit of C++ and C and I have basic knowledge of GUI coding in VB.net08:57
BlacKnight|how long will the 2nd phase of this ubuntu install take?08:57
|QuaD-i am fond of kde's inttegration of apps08:57
RuffianSoldierHHmm - my new computer used to be quiter then this like 4 hours ago08:57
|QuaD-Danko123456: you will probably have problems though08:58
crimsunKDE has great integration08:58
crimsunopening networked files, for instance, is a cinch08:58
|QuaD-Danko123456: i gave an honest answer08:58
crimsun(with any KDE app)08:58
TsjoklatI find kde unworkable on ubu08:58
|QuaD-crimsun: yeah... kpim is hard to leave08:58
Danko123456I have a specific sense of humor08:58
crimsunwell, gnome just works so well on ubuntu... :)08:58
|QuaD-Tsjoklat: i found that tooo08:58
Danko123456No offense intended08:58
|QuaD-Danko123456: ok good :)08:59
Danko123456or disrespect08:59
|QuaD-i miss kde :(08:59
|QuaD-whats mepis use?08:59
Tsjoklat|Quad KDE08:59
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BlacKnight||QuaD-: you were just telling me that kde is evil....08:59
thoreauputicDanko123456: before you reinvent the whell, check the available extensions for Firefox ;)08:59
Tsjoklathey pitti! :)08:59
BlacKnight|and now you're saying you miss it?08:59
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Danko123456k so why do you think it would be hard, or do you think with the knowledge I specified it would need lots of learning on my part?08:59
|QuaD-hmm, because i need to reinstall ubuntu anyways.... maybe i will try that for a while (hoary is too broken)09:00
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: i love kde09:00
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: just didn't work so hot with ubuntu09:00
BlacKnight|ok anyway, crim/topy can deb packages of any programs be used in ubuntu?09:00
crimsunHoary is marked Development :)09:00
Danko123456All right thore!09:00
BlacKnight|seeing as how they both use apt-get?09:00
topyli|QuaD-: i used to use kde 1.2 a while back. i don't have much experience after that :)09:00
Tsjoklat|Quad if you insist on kde I would go with mepiss09:00
|QuaD-crimsun: i know i am a moron09:00
Tsjoklatmepis I mean09:00
|QuaD-crimsun: i was waiting for this09:00
Danko123456now Im getting somewhere09:00
Danko123456Where do you find those?09:00
crimsunBlacKnight|: it's difficult to say "any", because some packages will break, and you get to keep all the pieces09:00
|QuaD-topyli: you should try it out09:01
BlacKnight|that doesn't sound like much fun09:01
|QuaD-Tsjoklat: heh, i am getting used to gentoo lately09:01
|QuaD-grr ubuntu09:01
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crimsunBlacKnight|: but generally speaking, if a Debian package has an equivalent in Ubuntu's universe or multiverse, you should use Ubuntu's instead09:01
pittiTsjoklat: Hi! Greetings09:01
BlacKnight|but say i want kde 3.309:01
BlacKnight|3.3.2 to be prethithe09:01
topylipitti: my hero and champion! :D09:02
Tsjoklatpitti are you in Spain too?09:02
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: does hoary use 3.3?09:02
crimsunBlacKnight|: 3.3.2 isn't even in sid yet09:02
BlacKnight|oh right, we 3.3.109:02
BlacKnight|well rahter09:02
pittiTsjoklat: sure, greetings from Matar! :-)09:02
crimsunno, hoary only has 3.2.2 in universe09:02
thoreauputicDanko123456: https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/?application={ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}09:02
Danko123456Thank you.09:02
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: you can probably just use the debian repos09:02
Tsjoklatpitti nice! :)09:03
BlacKnight|or source, eh quad09:03
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: coudl do that too09:03
|QuaD-thats a pain to install from source thoguh09:03
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crimsunBlacKnight|: it's certainly doable to use Debian packages, but you have to be very careful; like I said, when stuff breaks, you get to keep all the pieces09:03
|QuaD-crimsun: which is why i reccomend against kde09:03
crimsunBlacKnight|: if you plan to mix sources, make sure you study apt-pinning (man 5 apt_preferences), and pin to a ubuntu flavor09:04
Tsjoklat|QuaD if you run gentoo.. surely gnome shouldn't be too hard?09:04
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|QuaD-Tsjoklat: its not hard... i used gentoo on a different box for a while09:04
|QuaD-always loved debian thouth09:04
crimsunBlacKnight|: I have a fair amt of experience with it (I pin to sid+experimental and pull in hoary at a lower priority)09:04
|QuaD-which is why i am here09:04
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|QuaD-crimsun: whats experimental?09:05
Tsjoklat|QuaD bite the sour apple09:05
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crimsun|QuaD-: the ultra bleeding-edge09:05
BlacKnight|and how do things usually work out?09:05
|QuaD-Tsjoklat: :)09:05
|QuaD-crimsun: how do you get on that09:05
crimsunhello Ubuntu conference attendees!09:05
|QuaD-crimsun: is that deb or ub09:05
crimsunlots of *@, heh.09:05
TsjoklatSpain invasion09:06
crimsunBlacKnight|: just fine.09:06
crimsun|QuaD-: deb.09:06
BlacKnight|what have you installed from sid+experi?09:06
|QuaD-crimsun: ahh09:06
|QuaD-crimsun: why do you use ubuntu then (out ofcuriosity, not cockyness or arogance)?09:06
crimsunBlacKnight|: my entire system was sid as a base. At some point in the past year, I began adding experimental packages. When the Warty snapshot was released, I began converting all the Glib, Gtk, and GNOME-related packages to Ubuntu's09:07
crimsunBlacKnight|: I use pure Ubuntu at work. My home machine is the mutt we're discussing.09:07
crimsunerr, that was to |QuaD-09:07
BlacKnight|what's more fun, the mutt or work?09:07
|QuaD-crimsun: ahhhh09:07
BlacKnight|so i can upgrade to the development hoary right now?09:08
crimsunBlacKnight|: I wouldn't recommend it unless you live for flux.09:08
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: if you want a working system i wouldn't09:08
crimsunBlacKnight|: because stuff is expected to fluctuate rather rapidly09:08
BlacKnight|will that man page do?09:08
TsjoklatBlacKnight if you are brave and courageous09:08
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crimsunand honestly, I like challenges, so the mutt's more "fun"09:09
crimsunWarty's kinda boring. Everything works too well. ;)09:09
BlacKnight|nothing in mandrake works "well"09:09
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|QuaD-i don't think they fixed the kde/gnome panel09:09
Tsjoklatcrimsun the whole idea of having a machine that works :P09:09
|QuaD-have they?09:09
crimsunTsjoklat: precisely09:09
BlacKnight|ok now what if i want to install firefox v1.0 ?09:09
Tsjoklatcrimsun I run hoary on a dif machine.. and one with kde and hating it lol09:10
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: mandrake is a different type of distro09:10
crimsunTsjoklat: I can imagine it'd be a beast to maintain09:10
BlacKnight|how so quad?09:10
|QuaD-Tsjoklat: ubuntu+kde09:10
|QuaD-that is made for less maintenance, less bleeding edge, everything just there for you09:10
Tsjoklat|QuaD yeah.... disaster...09:10
|QuaD-Tsjoklat: hehe09:10
BlacKnight|i wish this install would finish so i can see whether my /home partition actually exists!09:10
crimsunBlacKnight|: if you just want mozilla-firefox from hoary, that's doable09:11
BlacKnight||QuaD-: no it's not.... nothing works, nothing's there09:11
Tsjoklat|QuaD it is not my main machine.. was trying things out for a friend that insist on KDE but Lord09:11
BlacKnight|mdk is all over the place09:11
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: i used it 3 years ago, great learning experience09:11
BlacKnight|crimsun: so how would i go about doing that?09:11
|QuaD-Tsjoklat: :)09:11
BlacKnight||QuaD-: it's changed much in 3 years09:11
crimsunBlacKnight|: basically you can either grab the deb manually from the Hoary pool, or you can configure apt-pinning and sources.list09:11
BlacKnight|ah yes09:11
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: ohhh09:11
BlacKnight|i'm reaiding up on that now09:11
Tsjoklat|QuaD the biggest thing that pisses me off is synaptic with KDE09:11
topyliBlacKnight|: if you want firefox 1.0, get the source from hoary and build a warty package on your box09:12
|QuaD-Tsjoklat: i don't use synaptic09:12
|QuaD-i use apt-get09:12
|QuaD-but whats it do09:12
BlacKnight|Tsjoklat: why, what's wrong with it?09:12
BlacKnight|topyli: sounds like fun.. how about using the binary installer mozilla provides?09:12
TsjoklatBlacKnight it keep complaining about libgtk libglade missing etc... you can't have kde without gnome so it seems09:12
BlacKnight|that would make upgradage a pain, right?09:12
Ribsis there a way of upgradeing the alsa sound modules in the kernel without a kernel upgrade?09:12
Tsjoklatand I don't use synaptic.. but she does09:12
BlacKnight|oh yeah09:12
BlacKnight|i have both kde and gnome on mdk syustemss09:12
BlacKnight|i would install the libs for both on any system09:13
Tsjoklatbut that defeats the whole purpose of having a GNOME box or a KDE box09:13
|QuaD-i don't think i have kde's libs09:13
Tsjoklatin my opinion09:13
|QuaD-i don't think i have any programs that require them09:13
Tsjoklatk3b does09:14
Tsjoklatamarok does09:14
topyliBlacKnight|: the mozilla installer would work, but your build will have debian integration (/etc/alternatives, plugin dirs) and a gnome-support package :)09:14
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crimsunI love Amarok09:14
BlacKnight|topyli: rad09:14
|QuaD-Tsjoklat: i havne't burned any cds09:14
crimsun(just discovered it yesterday via an osnews.com article)09:14
BlacKnight|so crimsun...09:14
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|QuaD-crimsun: i read that09:15
BlacKnight|i woudl want ot make an apt_prefs file that looks like this:09:15
|QuaD-haven't put it on yet09:15
crimsunRibs: certainly09:15
|QuaD-hoary has a messed up gnome now09:15
Strideri just ordered some ubuntu cd's09:15
Striderdo you really think they are gonna send me 5000 cd's?09:15
|QuaD-strider :) i have some on order too09:15
BlacKnight|oh wait i havent figured it out that far yet :P09:15
|QuaD-Strider: probabl not09:15
Striderlol, jk09:15
Strideri only ordered 1009:15
crimsunthey're sending you 1009:16
|QuaD-i ordered 50 x86, 5 ppc, and 20 amd6409:16
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TsjoklatI only miss amarok09:16
Tsjoklatbut then I just build that from cvs09:16
CardinalSini ordered 10 about 6 weeks ago, haven't heard from them yet.09:16
BlacKnight|oh, do you knwo how well ati radeons work in ubuntu?09:16
TsjoklatI have it working09:16
BlacKnight|should i install the proprietary ati drivers?09:17
Tsjoklat3D and all09:17
TsjoklatI didn't09:17
crimsunRibs: is there a version you'd like to get?09:17
BlacKnight|which card do you have though?09:17
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: is there a howto like for nvidia on the ubuntu site?09:17
Tsjoklatworked right out of the box09:17
BlacKnight|i have a radeon 9600 pro09:17
GoldeNArXwell fellas.. this linux session is done for the day.  i'm gonna place this hd in my main box and work with pqmagic shortly09:17
Tsjoklatme too09:17
Tsjoklatsame one09:17
BlacKnight|haven't checked, will do it now09:17
GoldeNArXthanx for your help all.. it was very appreciated09:17
|QuaD-GoldeNArX: have fun09:17
GoldeNArXi'll be back tommorow09:17
|QuaD-] :)09:17
topyliGoldeNArX: good luck!09:17
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TsjoklatBlacKnight I got the same card as you09:17
GoldeNArXthanx bro..09:17
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|QuaD-Tsjoklat: do you know of any way to see currently what the developers have done for the day (like a logbook)09:18
|QuaD-or toplyi if you can answer that09:18
BlacKnight|rad tsjokolat09:18
Tsjoklatwike page I would presume?09:18
BlacKnight|so what drivers does ubuntu use?09:18
|QuaD-Tsjoklat: does what i want exist?09:19
AgrajagDOS drivers, of course.09:19
Tsjoklat|QuaD hamana?09:19
Ribscrimsun: Yes. 1.0.509:19
Ribscrimsun: or above... That version supports my soundcard... just :)09:19
RibsSilent computing isn't how I like to work09:19
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Ribscrimsun: Sorry for the late reply, I wasn't paying attention ;)09:20
crimsunRibs: warty at least has 1.0.6a09:20
crimsunRibs: and hoary has 1.0.709:20
Ribscrimsun: I remember looking this up... The drivers themseleves are only 1.0.509:20
crimsunRibs: they're in 'universe'09:20
Ribsthe tools etc. are 1.0.609:20
crimsunRibs: assuming you have universe in your list, apt-cache policy alsa-source09:21
BlacKnight||QuaD-: there's nothing about ati on ubuntuguide.org09:21
BlacKnight|i shoulnd't have listened to you to install ubuntu09:21
BlacKnight|it's going to waste my entire night09:21
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: i don't knwo if there is09:21
crimsunbah, not a waste :P09:22
Tsjoklatinstalling ubu takes twenty mins top09:22
BlacKnight|oh, i arrived safely by the way.. thanks so much for letting me stay09:22
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: i didn't say anyhting about to or not to install it09:22
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|QuaD-Tsjoklat: lol09:22
Ribscrimsun: I didn't notice that package. Thanks09:22
Ribscrimsun: So how do I get those compiled now?09:22
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: i don't think ubuntu is the distro for you09:22
|QuaD-you want kde and UBER bleeding edge09:22
BlacKnight||QuaD-: why?09:22
Striderwhere can i find a full list of the stuff that is installed with ubuntu?09:23
BlacKnight|hahah yeah, but i'll figure out a way around that09:23
|QuaD-both of those are not what ubuntu is aobut09:23
BlacKnight|phil: what version of firefox are you using?09:23
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: you can get around it, but why not try a different distro thats suits you better09:23
BlacKnight|well it'll be easier for bleeiding edge on ubuntu than it is on mdk09:23
crimsunRibs: install alsa-source09:23
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|QuaD-BlacKnight|: true09:23
BlacKnight|this is pretty much deb?09:23
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: you can get away with mepis (kde)09:23
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|QuaD-debian experimental (just learned about this)09:24
crimsunRibs: you might need to run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source'; it should do that when you install it, though09:24
|QuaD-or do somthing like slack09:24
BlacKnight|ah well, i'll try ubuntu and see what happens09:24
BlacKnight|i'm only trying it because agrajag recommended it09:24
crimsunRibs: then read /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian09:24
StriderDoes anyone know where i can find a list of the things that are installed with ubuntu?09:24
crimsunStrider: dpkg -l|more09:24
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: i reccomend it to....but it doesn't sound like it suits you09:24
Striderdpkg -1|more???09:25
Striderwhat does that mean09:25
crimsunit's an "el" not a "one"09:25
TsjoklatStrider it means it will tell you what is installed on your box09:25
|QuaD-Strider: type that09:25
Strideri dont have ubuntu yet09:25
|QuaD-Tsjoklat: i have kde libs on my comp09:25
|QuaD-not sure how to check what uses them09:25
|QuaD-then remove them :(09:26
crimsunStrider: like Tsjoklat said, it tells you which packages are installed on your system09:26
Striderbut on the site it says it comes with 100s of pre-installed programs09:26
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|QuaD-Strider: it does09:26
BlacKnight|http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/apt_preferences.5.htmlumm what09:26
BlacKnight|what's the defauult root password?09:26
topyli|QuaD-: try to remove them and see what else would go09:26
crimsunthere is none, BlacKnight|.09:26
crimsunwe use sudo by default.09:26
|QuaD-topyli: good idea09:26
Striderdw, found it - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/applications09:26
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BlacKnight|umm so how do i login as root?09:26
|QuaD-topyli: apt-get remove or aptitude remove09:27
|QuaD-probably aptitude right/09:27
crimsunBlacKnight|: sudo -s, but generally the aim is to move away from using the root account09:27
BlacKnight|oh ok09:27
topyli|QuaD-: whichever you like :)09:27
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|QuaD-topyli: funniest list09:28
topylifunny how?09:28
|QuaD-care to look?09:28
topyliyeah, paste it in #flood09:29
|QuaD-topyli: www.slovin.us/remove.txt09:29
|QuaD-thats when itried to remove kdelibs409:29
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topyli|QuaD-: 40409:30
BlacKnight|how the hell do i use vi as root?09:30
topyliBlacKnight|: sudo vi09:30
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|QuaD-topyli: you sure?09:30
topyli|QuaD-: yep.09:31
BlacKnight|that doesnt work09:31
|QuaD-weird... i just tried it09:31
|QuaD-works fine09:31
Tsjoklathttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/Release <-- all the packages in warty09:31
BlacKnight|why doesn't it work for me?09:31
topyli|QuaD-: http://www.slovin.us/remove.txt is 40409:31
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: what?09:31
BlacKnight|iwhat should i be typing in as the root passwrod?!09:31
crimsunBlacKnight|: sudo vi  <-- should work.09:31
|QuaD-topyli: hmmm09:31
crimsunBlacKnight|: type _your_ password09:31
|QuaD-that should work09:31
|QuaD-crimsun: can you try that page out for me?09:31
|QuaD-does it work09:32
crimsun|QuaD-: which?09:32
topyli|QuaD-: just paste it in #flood09:32
|QuaD-toplyi posted it09:32
BlacKnight|can i just sudo mv /home /home_old09:32
|QuaD-topyli: i am in irssi09:32
BlacKnight|and hten sudo mount /dev/hda8 /home09:32
crimsunBlacKnight|: yes09:32
crimsunBlacKnight|: but make sure nothing on /home is open first09:32
BlacKnight|should i kill gdm?09:32
BlacKnight|tell me, is sshd installed by default?09:32
crimsungdm shouldn't touch /home09:33
topyli|QuaD-: oh you're on a console?09:33
crimsunBlacKnight|: openssh-server.09:33
crimsunBlacKnight|: no, openssh-server is not installed by default09:33
crimsun|QuaD-: that url works fine for me09:33
|QuaD-topyli: damn Hoary09:33
|QuaD-crimsun: ok good its his end not mine :)09:33
topylicrimsun: weird09:33
BlacKnight|ok ta09:33
Ribscrimsun: Slight problem now :)09:34
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|QuaD-topyli: i actually know the problem09:34
|QuaD-or can guess it09:34
RibsI've got to here: fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-
|QuaD-i just changed dns servers09:34
topyli|QuaD-: you're being censored by the Finnish Gestapo :)09:34
|QuaD-last night09:34
Ribsit errors on: configure: error: You have built-in ALSA in your kernel.09:34
|QuaD-like 36 hours ago09:34
crimsunRibs: I presume you rebuilt your kernel w/ ALSA support as "y" instead of "m"?09:35
topyli|QuaD-: yeah, it might not be complete yet09:35
Ribscrimsun: no09:35
Ribsoh wait... it seems if I specify -k7 at the end, it works09:35
Ribshrm, odd09:35
crimsunRibs: that's not at all odd :)09:35
RibsWell, I had one with, and one without the -k7 at the end09:36
Ribsin /usr/src09:36
crimsunRibs: I use: fakeroot ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`09:36
Ribsso I just guessed ;)09:36
Ribscrimsun: Well, that's just showing off, isn't it? :P09:36
crimsunRibs: that way it always compiles against headers for the running kernel09:36
|QuaD-topyli: try this hold on09:36
crimsunRibs: no, it's not showing off. It's gleaned from years of experience09:36
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Ribsheh heh09:37
BlacKnight|hello from the new b0xen09:37
Ribscrimsun: Thanks for the help09:37
topyli|QuaD-: nope09:37
Ribsoh jesus, I have a lot of sound modules loaded09:37
BlacKnight|my /dev/hda8 exists!09:37
BlacKnight|oh thank god09:37
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BlacKnight|crimsun, quad, topyli thanks so much for your help09:38
|QuaD-topyli: i give up09:38
crimsunBlacKnight|: no prob09:38
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: kde or gnome?09:38
BlacKnight||QuaD-: i'm sorry for being a dick, i've been pretty stressed out09:38
BlacKnight|nothing yet quad09:38
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: glad to help... don't worry bout it09:38
BlacKnight|i'll configure everything else first :)09:38
topyli|QuaD-: well, it's not the most important thing :)09:38
BlacKnight|you guys are all dudes09:38
|QuaD-i just reccomend AGANST kde09:38
|QuaD-even though i love it09:38
BlacKnight|haha i'll try it anyway09:38
BlacKnight|i'm addicted to it09:38
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BlacKnight|if it stuffs up, meh09:38
BlacKnight|i can just reinstall ubuntu09:38
|QuaD-BlacKnight|: yeah... those first 2 weeks without it were a killer09:39
BlacKnight|ok so do i just neeed to mkext3fs /dev/hda7?09:39
pisukeIs it possible to debootstrap ubuntu?09:39
|QuaD-alright boys... i am out of here09:40
|QuaD-bed time09:40
|QuaD-gotta be up in2 hours for a presentation09:40
BlacKnight|hrmm if i look at the partition table of /dev/hda7, fdisk tells me there isn't one09:40
crimsunthat's because there shouldn't be09:41
crimsunthere should only be one for /dev/hda09:41
BlacKnight|oh right09:41
Tsjoklat|QuaD night even though I am not a guy09:42
BlacKnight|a female linux user o_O?09:42
BlacKnight|shock horror09:42
|QuaD-Tsjoklat: there is always like 1 girl in the linux chats that bite me in the a$$09:42
Tsjoklat|QuaD must have been my lucky day than :P09:43
|QuaD-hahah yup09:43
BlacKnight|ok so mke2fs -j /dev/hda7 ?09:43
Tsjoklathappy sleepers09:43
Agrajagmke2fs -j more like mkfs.reiserfs09:43
Tsjoklatdon't be shocked BlacKnight..09:44
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crimsunBlacKnight|: for an ext3 partition, yep09:45
BlacKnight|you reckon use reiser?09:45
crimsunup to you, really.09:45
BlacKnight|hrmm brb going to restart bitchx09:46
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Ribsit didn't work :/09:47
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crimsunRibs: where did it fail?09:49
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Ribscrimsun: It's still not finding my sound card09:51
Ribsso either the drivers I install are too old, or didn't install at all09:52
RibsLooks like I'll have to goto kernel 2.6.9, which I wanted to avoid doing09:52
BlacKnight|hrmmm i have a bit of a problem.. all the files on /dev/hda8 are owned by 501 (my user number on my old mandrake setup)09:52
TsjoklatRibs just patch it with 10-rc309:52
BlacKnight|should i just chown ajay:ajay * -R09:52
BlacKnight|of course, what a silly question09:52
crimsunBlacKnight|: all?09:53
BlacKnight|well most of htem09:53
RibsTsjoklat: I wanted to avoid installing my own kernel completely09:53
BlacKnight|i'm sure there are a few that aren't09:53
crimsunBlacKnight|: probably not; wouldn't you just want recursively /home/$USER ?09:53
BlacKnight|but they can go to hell09:53
Ribspurely 'cos it's a pain in the ass09:53
BlacKnight|well /home/ajay is more or less the only directory on there09:53
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TsjoklatRibs that's the beauty of debian.. they are kick arse when it comes to custom kernels09:53
BlacKnight|so for all intents and purposes /home or hda8 all refer to /home/ajay09:53
RibsTsjoklat: I'll have to install my own kernel if anything09:54
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crimsun/home should probably still remain 755 root:root09:54
Ribswarty only goes up to
TsjoklatRibs you make a deb package out of kernels.. easy to install with dpkg09:54
BlacKnight|but all the files therein can belong to me :)09:54
RibsTsjoklat: yeah, I know... I just don't like doing it09:54
crimsunRibs: which sound chipset did you tell debconf to build?09:54
BlacKnight|hrmm it takes a while to chown eveyrhitn09:54
TsjoklatRibs I never run a chewed up already made fast food kernel :)09:54
RibsI guess once I get used to it, it'll be okay09:54
Ribscrimsun: ice172409:54
Tsjoklatdo you need a site for help?09:54
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BlacKnight|another dumb question: what's tempfs?09:55
RibsTsjoklat: yeah, would be nice. I doubt I can remember the process.09:55
crimsunBlacKnight|: RAM-backed filesystem09:55
Tsjoklatdon't forget to get bzip2 and module-init-tools.. it doesn't say it on the site but other than that.. it works fab09:55
Ribsis 2.6.10 gonna have any goodies in it?09:55
crimsunRibs: snd-ice1724 should work; does it not?09:55
RibsI mean, is it worth hitting the RC for it?09:55
Ribscrimsun: yeah, it's loaded09:56
crimsunRibs: are you using the correct mixer? (envy...)09:56
TsjoklatI got my cpu usuage way down09:56
Ribscrimsun: but my sound card isn't found09:56
Ribsit was only supported in 1.0.5a09:56
crimsunRibs: so /proc/asound/cards says nothing?09:56
Ribsroot@zeus:~ # cat /proc/asound/cards09:56
Ribs--- no soundcards ---09:56
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TsjoklatRibs that site should have you up and going in a spiffy09:56
BlacKnight|crimsun: will /dev/hda8 /home defaults 0 0 do for my fstab entry?09:56
RibsI know for a fact 2.6.9 kernel supports it09:56
Tsjoklatcan't perform a piss up in a brewery with that09:56
BlacKnight|sorry, ext3 between /home and defaults09:57
Ribsbut I just didn't want to upgrade it ;)09:57
TsjoklatRibs: be brave :P09:57
Tsjoklatwell Tsjoklat is melting here so night everybody.. be good!09:57
crimsunBlacKnight|: probably 0 2, but yeah09:58
crimsunRibs: did you ensure you only have the _newest_ alsa kernel modules in your modules tree?09:58
Ribscrimsun: I just followed the guide. How do I check for that?09:59
Kamionpisuke: sure - you'll need debootstrap from the Ubuntu archive09:59
BlacKnight|ok rad, and same for /usr?09:59
crimsunRibs: just look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/09:59
crimsunRibs: make sure there's only one set of alsa modules09:59
BlacKnight|do i need the errors=remount-ro option?09:59
crimsunuse `find'09:59
crimsunBlacKnight|: with an ext3 fs, yes, that's a good idea10:00
BlacKnight|for both home and usr?10:00
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Ribsroot@zeus:/lib/modules # ls10:00
RibsThat's what's in there10:00
Ribsand I'm using the -k7 kernel10:00
pisukeKamion, thx. Would someone be allowed to create a distro based on a debootstraped ubuntu and distribute it?10:01
Ribscrimsun: I think I'll just upgrade to 2.6.910:01
RibsIt's just easier that way10:01
crimsunRibs: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name 'snd-ice1724.ko'10:01
Ribsroot@zeus:/lib/modules # find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name 'snd-ice1724.ko'10:01
crimsunRibs: and that's it, correct?10:01
Ribslooks right10:02
crimsunRibs: does the timestamp for it match today?10:02
RibsAccess: 2004-12-09 08:44:38.000000000 +000010:02
RibsModify: 2004-11-18 14:38:27.000000000 +000010:02
RibsChange: 2004-12-08 22:59:53.000000000 +000010:02
Ribsonly the access date is today10:02
Ribsthe change date is when I installed it yesterday, I think10:02
Ribs(it being ubuntu)10:03
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crimsunls -l /lib/modules/
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Ribsroot@zeus:/lib/modules # ls -l /lib/modules/
Ribs-rw-r--r--    1 root     root        44234 2004-11-18 14:38 /lib/modules/
Ribswell, that's obviously not today10:03
Kamionpisuke: yes; though we're in the process of making better tools to do that sort of thing available10:04
Ribsso obviously there is some sort of cock-up here10:04
crimsunRibs: it built a .deb that you dpkg -i'd, correct?10:04
Kamionthe modification time on a file in a .deb doesn't correspond to when you installed it10:04
Kamionmore usually it matches the mtime on that file in the source package, or the time of building10:04
RibsI can't even rtfm10:05
crimsunRibs: and after you dpkg -i'd that deb, you modprobe -r'd the alsa modules and reinserted them, correct?10:05
Ribs<-- retarded10:05
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BlacKnight|what exactly is lost+found?10:06
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bob2it's for files thet e2fsck finds during checks10:07
BlacKnight|ah ok10:07
bob2it'll be empty unless your disk has been corrupted10:07
Ribscrimsun: okay, so I've dpkg'd it now10:07
Ribsand removed the sound modules10:07
Ribshowever, that ls -l line you gave me says the same as before10:07
Ribsis that a concern?10:08
BlacKnight|hrmm now.. i did sudo cp -a /usr/* /mnt/blah10:08
crimsunRibs: run the find command10:08
BlacKnight|but if i do du -s /mnt/blah, i get a number bigger than du -s /usr10:08
Ribswe now have two entries10:08
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Ribsthe second one is up-to-date10:09
pisukeKamion, thx for the info :)10:09
Ribsso, here goes nothing10:09
crimsunRibs: wait.10:09
crimsunRibs: you need to mv the older modules out of the way10:10
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crimsunRibs: (e.g., mv /lib/modules/ /somewhereelse10:10
crimsunRibs: then cp soundcore.ko back over10:10
crimsunRibs: then `update-modules'10:11
crimsunRibs: then you may reinsert the alsa modules10:11
RibsI think I've pissed off the kernel, heh10:11
crimsunjust by `mv'ing files? that seems odd.10:11
Ribsno, by modprobeing10:12
Ribsbefore moving10:12
crimsunoh, perhaps w/ version clashes, yes.10:12
crimsundid you get an OOPS?10:12
Ribsdid cat /proc/asound/cards10:12
Ribsall hell broke loose10:12
Ribsgot 'no soundcards found' thousands of times10:13
crimsunwell, make sure you modprobe -r all the snd* modules10:13
crimsunmake sure you mv the old ones of the way10:13
Ribsis there an easy way to modprobe -r?10:13
crimsunand make sure you copy soundcore.ko back over10:13
Ribsother than typing in all the sound modules?10:13
crimsunstarting from the top of lsmod's output and modprobe -r10:14
crimsunjust the alsa-related ones, which are prefixed with snd-10:14
BlacKnight|ok i quite like gnome10:16
crimsunit's nicely configured.10:16
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Ribscrimsun: This just isn't working10:17
RibsI think I'll just upgrade the kernel10:17
crimsunRibs: ok. Whichever you choose.10:17
Ribscrimsun: Thanks for your help, and patience, tho.10:18
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Ribswell, configuring that kernel was about as much fun as chewing on broken glass10:31
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BlacKnight|crimsun: in the ubuntuguide.org site they say to add10:37
BlacKnight|deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main10:37
BlacKnight|to sources.list10:37
BlacKnight|as well as testing and unstable10:37
BlacKnight|are they debian sources?10:38
crimsunBlacKnight|: it is an external source for mplayer10:38
topyliBlacKnight|: they're unofficial10:38
BlacKnight|and they say to uncomment these:10:38
BlacKnight| deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted10:38
BlacKnight|deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted10:38
BlacKnight|ah rightio10:38
BlacKnight|oh hehe10:39
BlacKnight|they're already uncommented silly me10:39
BlacKnight|is the mplayer source any good?10:39
root_I just updated to latest 2.6.910:39
root_and forgot that there is no nvidia driver for 2.6.910:40
topyliBlacKnight|: marillat has mplayer, win32 codecs, acroread, flash plugin, unethical stuff like that10:40
BlacKnight|ooh fantastic10:40
BlacKnight|should i add testing, unstable or stable?10:41
Ribsroot_: yeah, you have to build it yourself10:41
BlacKnight|which is more bleeding-edge, testing or unstable?10:41
Ribswhich is rather annoying10:41
topyliBlacKnight|: i used the testing source, it might be closest to what warty is10:41
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topyliBlacKnight|: unstable may have newer stuff, but may also depend on libs from unstable10:42
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BlacKnight|ok i'll go testing...10:42
BlacKnight|oh i might as well try unstable10:42
topyliBlacKnight|: you can try unstable. if it doesn't work, things will just not be installable10:43
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BlacKnight|hrmm i wish i could assign windows key + other key to keyboard shortcuts10:44
BlacKnight|it just comes up as super_l10:44
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altanCan I check the MD5sum of an entire CD-ROM by going to the directory and just typing "md5sum"?10:45
altanit's doing something alright, but I'm not sure it's verifying the contents or anything since it's not even reading10:45
altanalso, will an MD5sum be different for a CD-ROM and an iso that I burned the CD-ROM off of?10:46
topyliBlacKnight|: i use them for window commands like shade, maximize etc.10:46
bob2altan: you need to do it on /dev/hdc10:46
Kamion'md5sum' on its own will wait for input ...10:46
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Kamionsame way as just typing 'grep'10:47
BlacKnight|topyli: how did you set it up?10:47
altanit should be the same md5 as the iso I burned it from though, yeah?10:48
topyliBlacKnight|: in the gnome keyboard shortcuts preferences10:48
BlacKnight|and you hit windows+blah?10:48
BlacKnight|for me it just tells me that super_l has been assigned10:49
BlacKnight|i cant do it in combination with other stuff10:49
topyliBlacKnight|: well, left win is max, ctrl+l-win is max vertically. like that10:49
altanI wasn't able to assign Super in combination with anything else. only shift, ctrl, and alt seem to work10:50
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topyliBlacKnight|: yes, they come up as super_l and super_r10:50
topylialtan: that would be gconf-editor business10:50
root_damm, Herbert Xu has not create 686 linux-restricted-kernel yet, damm10:51
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BlacKnight|ah ok, i'm sure there's a way to fix it10:53
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altanouch, I got error processing hda: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error... that sounds kind of bad10:53
spacey`stageanyone an idea where i can find the part from the base-config that handles the user creation? I apt-get source base-install however it doesnt seem to contain actual configuration scripts10:53
Adrenalinstalled nivdia driver10:54
Adrenalwhat do i do now?10:54
altanI'm trying it in the other drive, could just be a drive issue10:54
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fabbioneroot_: chill down.. Herbert has nothing to do with l-r-m and hoayr10:54
Kamionspacey`stage: apt-get source shadow10:55
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Kamionspacey`stage: it's in debian/passwd.config10:55
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BlacKnight|so how do i just install a .deb package?10:58
root_I need a 'services' configurator, can some1 show me 1?10:58
spacey`stageKamion, thnx i'll look into it. This is the part which is called during ubuntu installation too?10:58
ctdBlacKnight|: dpkg -i package.deb10:58
Ribsokay, seems my new kernel doesn't want to play ball10:59
Ribsit panics on boot10:59
rory__heh, mine 210:59
Ribsit seems I'm missing the initrd line from the menu.lst10:59
SimiraTreenaks, when do you leave tomorrow?10:59
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TreenaksSimira: I think around the afternoon10:59
rory__nah i had that as well, and it used it, didnt help...10:59
RibsI am also missing that initrd file10:59
rory__cant mount hda1 (ext3)11:00
rory__even though i compiled ext3 as builtin11:00
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SimiraTreenaks: ok, just trying to find some company for the way to Barcelona. But that's at 10:3011:02
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TreenaksSimira: I could go a bit earlier11:03
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Kamionspacey`stage: yes, base-config calls that from lib/menu/passwd11:03
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TreenaksSimira: I need to buy a present for my sister's birthday anyway11:04
imkahow do i set up nat through firestarter? how do i find out what ip i should forward to? i'm trying to share internet with my laptop11:04
spacey`stageKamion, ok thnx11:05
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ctdrory__: Why not. :)11:07
imkahow do i set up nat through firestarter? how do i find out what ip i should forward to? i'm trying to share internet with my laptop11:07
BlacKnight|hrmm synaptic's quite ogod11:08
rory__actually come to think of it she wouldnt mind at all if it came with Frozen Bubble... she likes that11:09
root_does anyone know any nice front-end runlevel editor?11:09
root_thx Elwood11:10
root_nice ncurse program11:11
thoreauputicroot_: a whois suggests you are IRCing as root - why?11:13
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BlacKnight|should sound in ubuntu work by default?11:13
BlacKnight|i get sounds when i login11:13
BlacKnight|but now gnome is telling me that there are no mixer elements or something11:13
RibsHow do I make a initrd file?11:13
Ribsfor the kernel. I think it's the reason I can't boot with it11:14
b_e_n_zRibs, mkinitrd?11:14
thoreauputicroot_: you realise IRCing as root is A Really Bad Idea?11:14
rory__what b_e_n_z said11:14
izthoreauputic, it is root_ is that not a nickname?11:15
thoreauputiciz: that's the nick, but the user name is root as well - I assume he is root11:15
huwriz, do a /whois11:15
huwrAnd the 'realname' is also root.11:15
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BlacKnight|Ribs: mkinitrd11:17
thoreauputicroot_: fix it, please: unless you have a good reason like "pretending" to be root- which I doubt11:17
Kamionthoreauputic: (of course, IRCing through an ssh port forward can show up wrongly as IRCing as root ...)11:17
BlacKnight|mkinitrd -o <file> <kernelversion>11:18
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thoreauputicKamion: do you think that's likely? In some channels he'd be kicked summarily11:18
Kamionthoreauputic: kicking people for that without questioning is stupid, due to the ssh issue11:19
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thoreauputicKamion: well, i asked - what is his answer?11:20
KamionI am merely making an observation11:20
Kamionnot that I can find the bug now, annoyingly11:20
BockBilbodo any of you use gdesklets?11:21
Kamionmight have gone away with privsep11:22
izBockBilbo, yup i am11:23
BockBilboit works ok in ubuntu, right??11:24
root_thoreaupautic: hmm, root heh? I dont notice that my KrIRC choose 'root', it's a bug, I gotta to fix it11:24
izyou now how to install it?11:24
BockBilbowell.. i instaled it on debian downloading it from the official site, but i think that its possible to install it via apt11:25
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thoreauputicroot_: are you saying your client automatically assigned that name and you are in fact IRCing as a user?11:25
Adrenalwhere is the xf86config located?11:25
izBockBilbo, you apt-get install gdesklets gdesklets-data11:25
thoreauputicroot_: if so, you'll get a lot of flames ;-)11:26
rory__adnans /etc/X11/11:26
rory__Adrenal even...11:26
Adrenallol, thanks11:26
BockBilboiz ok11:27
BockBilbojust like in debian11:27
thoreauputicroot_: sorry, you are using xchat - no excuse I'm afraid11:27
Adrenalok, what do i replace the nv driver with to use the nvidia one i just isntalled?11:27
neighborleeAdrenal, 'nvidia'11:28
root_thoreaupautic: not really, it's a modified version of xchat, I called it KrIRC11:28
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BockBilbokanto_so, in what way does krIRC improve XCHAT ??11:29
Adrenalthanks everyone11:29
kanto_soimplementation on Fserver get files11:29
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izmmm BockBilbo :)11:30
kanto_soso you can download files like doing under GUI11:30
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dddtoday i just the ubuntu shipped cd...11:30
BockBilboi see kanto_so11:30
dddwhat a nice...11:30
kanto_soI have a special script11:30
BockBilbowhat for?11:30
kanto_soso no fserver can detect I'm using GUI downloader11:30
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kanto_sonormally they ban u if u use mass-download script11:30
BockBilbobut... do you download stuff from the irc?..11:31
BockBilboi normaly dont11:31
kanto_sojust habbit11:31
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BockBilboi see11:31
BockBilboand does krIRC identify nicknames at freenode?11:32
kanto_soyes, but somehow I break that features in normal xchat11:33
kanto_sostill working on it11:33
BockBilbonormal xchat has that feature??..11:33
kanto_soyes, using command11:34
BockBilboi see11:34
kanto_soI just surf to LimeWire.com11:34
kanto_sothey just release new version of Limewire11:35
kanto_soone of the best MP3 downloader P2P on the world11:35
kanto_sobased on Java11:35
BockBilbokanto_so, it seens like kazaa....11:35
kanto_soso I just copy the link here for all Ubuntu users who lazy to get to the website11:35
kanto_sobut no ad!11:35
kanto_sono spam11:35
BockBilboyou sure???11:35
kanto_sono spam11:36
kanto_soand run on Linux!11:36
BockBilboi think im gonna try ut11:36
kanto_sodownload using the link I gave11:36
BockBilbocause the torrents dont work good for downloading single files11:36
BockBilbothe link you pasted is in spanish?11:36
kanto_soLimewire is just the best for MP3 and Adult Video clips (~2k ppl share short AV clips)11:36
BockBilboi would like to get an spanish version if it exists11:36
kanto_sothere is Spanish there11:37
kanto_sochoose in Language11:37
kanto_soit's multibilingual version11:37
BockBilbokanto_so, where r u from?11:38
BockBilboby the way, does limewire use a centralized server?11:38
BockBilboor is it uncentralized?11:39
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thoreauputickanto_so: which would be why your whois shows a .au address ;? ?11:39
kanto_sothat's the trick dude!11:39
kanto_sono one use Internet here11:39
kanto_soI just use Au one11:39
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kanto_soclose to Germany11:40
thoreauputicBockBilbo: .au is australia11:40
thoreauputic.at is austria I believe11:40
danielsaustria is .at11:40
danielsno, Australia is .au, and Austria is .at11:40
danielsi know this because I live in Australia11:40
kanto_somy host is on11:40
kanto_soI gotta go off11:40
BlacKnight|how do i tell dpkg to prompt me before overwrriting files?11:40
kanto_soorelse I will be in big trouble11:41
kanto_sohe's one11:41
thoreauputickanto_so: sorry, your credibility is now totally shot :)11:41
kanto_sowho I got the net11:41
BockBilboi got a question, what does ca stand for?11:41
thoreauputicwe blew his cover ;)11:41
danielsBockBilbo: canada11:41
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BockBilboi see...11:42
BockBilboso the last day i visited a canadian site for the first time in my life11:42
BockBilbowell.. im gonna take a shower... ill be back in 5 minutes11:43
thoreauputicSo he was 1) IRCing as root 2)claiming to be 20 000 km from where he actually is ! hah11:43
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BockBilbowelll brb11:45
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mirak_there is a bug in hot plug11:48
mojoexcuse me every111:48
seb128mirak, bugzilla.ubuntu.com11:48
mojocan some1 help me to confirm this bug:11:49
mirak_seb128: I can tel you what the problem is, maybe that's not about that11:49
mojoin Xchat, open a URL (Open in new browser)11:49
weezer_does anyone know a good OCR software for ubuntu?11:49
mojoand Firefox starts up but STILL using default-theme, not the theme I chose11:49
mirak_seb128: when I plug my usb printer on the power, the computer freezes11:49
mirak_seb128: it do that if the usb cable is plugued on the computer11:50
seb128mirak, no idea on this, probably a kernel bug11:51
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Ribsis it 'kernel-image' or 'linux-image' what I want?12:18
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crimsunRibs: linux-12:20
tckanyone here have acccess to the shipit orders ?12:21
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ceftck: no me, but I'm starting to wonder if I'll see CD's before christmas.. *8-(12:27
candymanI got one yesterday12:27
tcki dunno, i ordered a batch at the same time as a mate12:27
candymana friend received his package already12:27
tckhaven't even gotten a date of shipping12:27
tckso i updated the profile to be more specific12:27
tckand wondered did that reset the order date :/12:28
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cefyeah well I added more CD's to mone, but it says that the previous order shipped already by that date. might have confused the system12:30
cefmone = mine12:30
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cefdaniels: you got your CD's yet?12:30
danielscef: dunno, I'm not even vaguely close to home12:33
danielscef: but unimelb has 1000 i386 CDs -- do you want a few?12:33
BlacKnight|hrmm how do i find out which package i need to install a piece of software12:33
BlacKnight|ie, which package do i need for qt3?12:33
cefdaniels: tis cool.. just wondering where mine have gotten to12:34
crimsunBlacKnight|: libqt3c102, libqt3c102-mt12:34
cefdaniels: but at least 1 of each arch would be nice12:34
BlacKnight|ok, but how do i find that out for myself?\12:34
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crimsunBlacKnight|: apt-cache search qt312:34
BlacKnight|rad, thanks12:35
danielscef: unfortunately they only have i386 (they were an early order), but if you go to the new ICT building (on Barry St), and go up to the CSSE (not IS) helpdesk on level 1, you should be able to walk away with i386 Cds12:35
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cefdaniels: will keep it in mind... mainly want an amd64 cd for myself.. might need it shortly for my new lappy *grin*12:36
danielscef: heh :)12:36
danielsi'm going to head to msy when i get back and grab myself a shiny new amd6412:36
cefdaniels: woo!12:37
BockBilbois there a good looking grub interface of ubuntu, just like in fedora???12:37
RibsBockBilbo: Why would you want one?12:37
RibsYou'll only be looking at it's ugly ass for about 3 seconds anyway12:38
cefdaniels: amd64 3200+, nvidia chipset, 1G of ram, ATI 9700 Pro w/128M.. not too shabby for a lappy12:38
BockBilboyes... but well.. i want everything to look great12:38
RibsThat's better than the desktop I hope to own one day12:38
|rufius|BockBilbo: you shouldn't have to see the grub screen... there shouldn't be any rebooting12:39
Ribs|rufius|: Try telling my system that ;)12:39
|rufius|Ribs: lol12:39
cefdaniels: haven't got it yet tho.. boss wants to buy it, currently waiting on the vendor12:39
Ribsthen again, I've done a lot of kernel fiddleing latley12:39
Ribsall the reboots have been requested12:39
RibsI have one problem left now... x tries to start twice?!12:39
BlacKnight|ubuntu's fantastic12:40
|rufius|zac@metis:~ $ uptime12:40
|rufius| 05:39:38 up 105 days,  8:49,  3 users,  load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.0012:40
|rufius|^^ see no rebooting12:40
BlacKnight|although it's going to take me a lot of pissfarting around to get it to work properly12:40
BlacKnight|my record uptime is 257 days12:40
BlacKnight|then this week there were thunderstorms12:41
BlacKnight| 10:41pm  up 2 days,  4:18,  2 users,  load average: 0.03, 0.02, 0.0012:41
BlacKnight|and that's with mdk!12:41
BockBilbothis is wied12:41
BlacKnight|i should install ubuntu on my server too12:41
BlacKnight|it'll run madleet12:41
cefdaniels: hopefully I can get it before xmas *grin*.. then I can get some serious stuff done for warty during my holidays12:41
BockBilboubuntu has detetected my wifi card12:41
cefdaniels: erm, hoary even12:41
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BockBilboand in the wiki says12:41
danielscef: heh, awesome :)12:41
BockBilbothat its totally supported12:41
BockBilbobut, i cannot load it12:41
|rufius|mdk is good stuff, ive got another server w/ mdk on it thats been up over a year and a half12:41
BockBilboim trying to make it active, but somehow gnome doesnt allow me12:42
BockBilbocan anyone help me??12:42
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BockBilboi have an intel pro wireless card, that uses the modules ipw220012:42
BockBilbothanks anyways |rufius|12:43
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Ng|rufius|: is an uptime of a year and a half a good thing?12:44
Ngdoesn't that mean you've gone 18 months without updating the kernel, at the very least? ;)12:45
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|rufius|Ng: isolated box, doesn't need to be updated for what i do w/ it12:45
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Ng|rufius|: fair enough :)12:45
|rufius|just a file server and i dont see the point of rebooting it to upgrade its kernel12:45
Ng|rufius|: there are plenty of people who would have that on the net and be proud of it ;)12:46
|rufius|cuz it sits on a part of my home network where it doesnt know there's anything outside the little area it lives in ;)12:46
Simirawho's the synaptic manager again...?12:46
Simiramainentance, I mean12:46
|rufius|Ng: new users think lots of uptime == l33t, its only l33t if you can justify not upgrading your kernel ;)12:46
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bob2Simira: Michael Vogt aka mvo12:47
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Ng|rufius|: hehe12:47
Simirathanks bob212:48
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Hikaru79Ever since I upgraded to Hoary, if I try to put launchers or links or icons on the desktop, or change it's wallpaper, the change doesn't show up until I restart the computer; I understand that Hoary is still new so I'm not going to complain about that. Just gotta ask -- is there a way to manually "refresh" the desktop from the command line?12:49
Hikaru79The changes DO show up if I do 'ls -al' in the terminal12:49
Hikaru79Just not graphically12:49
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|rufius|Hikaru79: you try just restarting your x-server to see if changes will show then?12:49
Hikaru79Yeah, but... won't that close currently-running programs?12:50
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|rufius|yah... but you said restarting also works... so restarting just the x-server is less wrok12:50
|rufius|im just trying to diagnose a problem, not necessarily provide a solution yet12:50
Hikaru79Oh, OK12:50
Hikaru79Hm, line to restart X-Server again? ^ ^;;12:51
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|rufius|/etc/rc.d/gdm restart <--- i think tahts it12:51
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Hikaru79OK, brb in that case12:51
|rufius|Hikaru79: ./etc/rc3.d/S99gdm restart12:52
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bob2at worst log out and back again12:52
bob2you do not need to restart X12:52
Hikaru79logging in/out will restart X?12:52
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Hikaru79OK, yup, that worked12:53
Hikaru79But, is there any better way? Kinda sucks to have to restart just for an icon or wallpaper change >>12:53
bob2have you filed a bug?12:54
Hikaru79Nope; I was hoping that a command line existed12:55
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Hikaru79If not, then I guess I'll have to :)12:55
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BlacKnight|anyone home?12:56
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BlacKnight|typically crimson12:56
BlacKnight|namely crimsun rather12:56
bob2it's best to just ask a question instead of chasing someone individually...12:57
BlacKnight|haah ok12:57
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BlacKnight|to get smp support, do i just apt-get install linux-smp-68612:57
BlacKnight|linux-686-smp rather12:58
BlacKnight|oh right...12:58
BlacKnight|what's the diff b/w that and what i've done?12:58
BlacKnight|does that have any implication?12:58
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crimsunyou can use linux-686-smp if you wish12:58
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pittimh21: ping01:00
BlacKnight|also, is there a way to use the kde-style mousewheel-over-desktop-changer-switches-desktops thing?01:01
BlacKnight|aaand how do i edit the gnome menues?01:01
BlacKnight|menus even01:01
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DataTekDoes Shuttleworth ever chat in here?01:26
thoreauputicI've seen him once01:26
DataTekwhat's his nick?01:26
stvnsabdlf or something like that01:27
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DataTekgow do you guys find ubuntu?01:32
rory__hi DataTek01:32
DataTekno thats not what i meant01:33
DataTekhello rory__01:33
port7ut came in the post01:33
DataTeknor that01:33
DataTeki meant: how do you like it?01:33
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Hikaru79DataTek, best distro I've ever tried :)01:37
DataTekwhich others did you try?01:38
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Hikaru79Debian, Knoppix HD install, BeatrIX, Slackware, and Mandrake01:38
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oscarhDataTek, i've tried slackware and suse as well.01:38
oscarhstill run slackware on my server(s)01:38
Hikaru79Mostly debian-based, it seems. Maybe I should give Fedora Core or something a try too01:38
oscarhbut apt-get is a bliss on a desktop01:39
Hikaru79Heh :)01:39
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candymanwhat do I burn cds with under ubuntu?01:44
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candymanany k3b-like app?01:45
candymanI need to record an ISO to CD01:45
mjrcandyman, just right-click the image in nautilus01:45
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oscarhcdrecord would be good for that01:45
mjrthe rest should be obvious :)01:45
candymanthanks, mjr01:45
jiyuu0candyman, go check ubuntuguide.org01:46
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tim1does anybody know in which package the kernel module 'snd-alsa-oss' resides ?01:48
candymanI just put all my data in a place where I can't read it01:49
candymanjiyuu0, thanks01:49
candymanI am quite new at this, a guide is good01:49
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jiyuu0no prob01:49
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__learner__hello. Good Morning. (if it is now morning where you llive!)01:53
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bob2tim1: it'll have underscores01:54
bob2and in the linux-image packages01:54
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b00gieany idea how to install nvidia modules?01:56
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tim1it has now underscores01:59
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tim1but it was the wrong name however01:59
tim1it's snd-pcm-oss02:00
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tim1but it was in ther kernel-image package02:00
tim1thanks bob2 :)02:00
b00giei cant install nvidia! :(02:01
tim1has anybody else also problems with updating mono from 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 through apt ?02:01
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painiacb00gie, try the howto on the forum about tweaking your ubuntu installation, that's where i found it02:02
tim1bOOgie: what's the error ?02:02
b00giei use hoary's kernel.. there is no glx modules for 2.9.1 kernelll02:03
rory__2.9 kernel?02:04
bob2b00gie: yes, you'll need to wait02:04
bob2rory__: he/she means 2.6.902:04
b00gie2.6.9 :)02:04
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sandrowhere can i found an italian ubuntu irc channel?02:11
Riddellsandro: try #ubuntu-it02:12
sandroRiddell: thanx,i try now02:12
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__learner__hi, can you tell me how to find a good replacmente for kazaa in linux02:15
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sval__learner__ limewire for example02:19
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__learner__tx, I'll try limewire02:23
__learner__I can't find limeware in the repositories02:28
sval__learner__ www.limewire.com ... it's a java application02:28
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sval__learner__ not OpenSource02:29
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SteveAsladen: ping02:33
jiyuu0__learner__, how to install limewire02:33
__learner__is limeware basic good?02:33
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Triple|5hello, how do i check my version?02:35
crimsunTriple|5: ...of?02:36
Triple|5i upgraded to hoary but i wanna check02:36
crimsuncat /etc/issue02:36
Triple|5if i have it02:36
Triple|5still says warty02:36
crimsundid you elect to replace /etc/issue during the update of base-files?02:37
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crimsun(and/or /etc/issue.net)02:37
Triple|5when i hit apt-get update it shows hoary02:37
Triple|5but when i upgrade or dist-upgrade02:37
Triple|5it goes fine but then at the end it shows errors on dependencies02:37
crimsunand what dependencies are those?02:37
Triple|5im gonna tell u right now, as soon as it shows02:38
crimsunif they're related to xfonts*transcoded, you need universe in your hoary line in /etc/apt/sources.list02:39
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__learner__isn't there any good choices to limeware in the repository?02:40
Riddell__learner__: bittorrent02:40
Triple|51 other question02:41
Triple|5hoary uses xorg?02:41
crimsunTriple|5: correct02:41
Triple|5well the upgrade is almost done , so the dpkg gonna be there soon02:41
thenukehow is the xorg better?02:41
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Triple|5im wondering because xorg with other distros doesnt work in my linux box, but i have ubuntu on vmware right now and i upgraded to haory before on my linux box and it seems to work, so i guess when the xorg is configured automatically works02:42
crimsunthenuke: updated drivers, many bug fixes, new features, etc.02:42
catdogIs there an 'easy' way to see which repository a package is coming from with apt-get/synaptic?02:42
crimsuncatdog: apt-cache policy package02:43
catdogcrimsun: thank ye02:43
crimsuncatdog: the currently installed version is marked with triplicate asterisks02:43
__learner__bittorrent is really good, but I need something more Kazaa-like. I often use bit-torrent to.02:43
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catdogcrimsun: of course the correct answer was 'man apt-cache', or 'RTFM, dipshit' :)02:46
sval__learner__ liwewire is a java gnutella client02:46
crimsuncatdog: neither the time nor the place :)02:46
sval__learner__ if you want a debian package you could search for gnutella and you will see that mldonkey is also a gnutella client02:46
sval__learner__ gtk-gnutella exists alsa02:47
sval__learner__ also*02:47
__learner__Hey, I installed the JVM, but a program says it is not defined in my path enviroment variable. How can I set it?02:47
sval__learner__ PATH=$PATH:/.../jre/bin ; export Pathfinder02:49
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sval__learner__ oops02:49
sval__learner__ export PATH02:49
__learner__I'll try it.02:49
sval__learner__ not Pathfinder ...02:49
__learner__I understood. Tx a lot02:49
sval__learner__ add this lines into your .bashrc02:49
sval__learner__ otherwise you will have to do it for each console each time you log in02:50
__learner__where is this .bashrc file?02:50
AndreiVin your home directory02:50
sval__learner__ in your home directory ~/.bashrc02:50
svalAndreiV , lol synchro :p02:51
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BockBilbohello there again02:51
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Triple|5crimsun, here it is02:52
crimsunTriple|5: use #flood or a paste web site, please02:52
Triple|5fetcged 265mb in 6ms02:52
Triple|5no prob02:52
BockBilbohow do i make xine sound??02:52
BockBilboi just installed it, but i cant heard the sound of the dvd's02:53
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svalBockBilbo check the sound server02:53
svalBockBilbo do you use esd ?02:53
BockBilboi guess so02:53
BockBilboubuntu uses it, right?02:53
svalBockBilbo yes by default02:53
__learner__tx. does "~" always means the home dir?02:53
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svalBockBilbo so check in the xine options ...02:53
AndreiV__learner__: yes02:53
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sval__learner__ that's right02:54
thenuke__learner__: so you can for example do cd ~02:54
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AndreiVyes, but cd 102:54
AndreiVcd ~ == cd02:54
AndreiVjust cd02:54
BockBilbosval, im checking them02:55
art_illeryi hope someone could help me with a little trouble i am trying to solve since almost 2 hours with the Synaptic Package manager. It doesnt give any error or anything, yet it doesnt seem to download anything at all. I am starting to think i have mad cow disease *-<8-P=-02:55
art_illerymaybe an NAT problem02:55
svalart_illery could you precise your problem ? ...02:56
__learner__does it have another semicolon after "export PATH" -- like "export PATH; ?02:56
art_illeryok, when i click update Packages, a window appears sazing downloading File 4of4, then it closes again after a few seconds, and back i am at an unchanged screen in the Packet manager reading no pakets to install02:57
thenukeart_illery: try sudo apt-get update at console02:57
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thenukeit might give you some hints of the error02:57
svaldo you select any package to be instaled ?02:57
AndreiV__learner__: no02:57
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__learner__tx. there's semicolon only at the first line.02:58
art_illeryE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)02:58
art_illeryE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?02:58
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svalart_illery close synaptic02:59
__learner__So I would add just this "PATH=$PATH://home/romulo/java/j2sdk1.4.2_04/bin/; \n export PATH02:59
__learner__export PATH02:59
svalart_illery re-type the sudo command02:59
sval__learner__ forget the semicolon ... , just type two line03:00
art_illeryreading package list... done it says03:00
sval__learner__ PATH=$PATH:/... for the first one and export PATH at the end of the .bashrc03:00
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svalart_illery art_illery so what's the problem ?03:01
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BockBilbosval, done03:03
art_illerywhen i open up the Paket Manager and hit Reload it doesnt seem to download anything, and i wanted to download the fxgrl for ATI Radeon Cards03:03
art_illerylike it was described in the ubuntu forums03:03
svalso ... just select this package in synaptic and click apply03:03
svalart_illery or just type apt-get install fxgrl in console03:04
art_illeryReading Package Lists... Done03:05
art_illeryBuilding Dependency Tree... Done03:05
art_illeryE: Couldn't find package fxgrl03:05
art_illerythat is where i am stuck ;o(03:05
svalart_illery fxgrl in not in the repository in fact ;)03:06
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svalart_illery apt-cache search fxgrl returns nothing03:06
svalttl- nautilus or konqueror03:07
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sandrohello,i would ask if its possible to install xfree 3.3 on ubuntu warty03:07
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Ngin theory, sure03:07
sandroNg: because i have an old 200mhz notebook03:07
catdogart_illery: which page are you looking at on the forums?03:07
Ngsandro: aha. I'm not sure that ubuntu is the best distro for that03:09
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art_illerywww.ubuntuforums.org&showthread.php?t=3713 (if i typed it in correctly from the other machine over there *G*)03:09
art_illeryorg/show i mean argh, sorrz03:10
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catdogart_illary: do you mean the 'HOWTO: ATI FGLRX 3D Acceleration'?03:12
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__learner__tx, it worked. Now I'm installing Limeware.03:12
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catdogart)illery: It's okay. I've got it03:12
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__learner__Is there anything like karamba for gnome?03:12
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art_illeryno, its the HOWTO:Tweaking Ubuntu after your first installation by ubuntu-geek03:13
sval__learner__ gdesklets03:13
art_illerysorry, if i react somewhat late some times, i am doing lots of things simultaneously here03:13
catdogart_illery: Don't you mean the fglrx package?03:13
catdogart_illery: it#s cool03:13
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art_illeryproblem is, i cant install Linux-686 because it also doesnt find it03:15
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art_illeryand then i stopped there in the guide and tried to figure out, whz it didnt find it03:15
catdogart_illary: one thing at a time ;)03:16
catdogart_illary, oh I see, okay03:16
svalart_illery what's linux-686 ?03:16
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miss_pariis ubuntu based on i686 platform?03:17
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catdogart_illary: I think 'linux-image-686' is the one you want.03:17
art_illerycatdog, are you also reading the ubuntu Forum guide?03:18
art_illeryi mentioned03:18
spohow are you all doing<03:19
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catdogart_illery: yeah, I'm on it. It says 'sudo apt-get install linux-686', and your saying that's not working, right/03:19
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spoanybody from czech republic?03:20
__learner__tx a lot03:20
markus__Hi. I don't have any access to the sound-device (e.g. volume control), though the corresponding user is in the group "audio". I have a board with the "nVidia nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler" chipset. Is this supported by Ubuntu? Or do I have to install the nVidia nForce drivers?03:20
BockBilbowhere are the gdesklets installed when downloading them from apt??03:20
BockBilboi mean.. the gdesklet data03:21
svalBockBilbo , /usr/share/gdesklets i think03:21
BockBilbothank you03:21
catdogart_illery: goto (in synaptic) menu settings > Resositories, and check you've got 'Warty restricted' enabled (you may have to scroll the box to the right)03:21
markus__BockBilbo, you can see which files a package offers by running "dpkg -L <package-name>". (Or in Synaptic too...)03:21
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catdogart_illery: s/Res/rep sorry typo city today!03:22
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nyuanyone in the meeting in mataro?03:23
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Kinnisonmany of us :-)03:24
nyu(or any channel for the meeting?)03:24
Simiraof course03:24
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Simirawe're all here03:24
BockBilboi would love to go to the meeting03:24
nyunice.  are there any talks planned today or something?03:24
BockBilbowhy is it hold in catalunya?03:24
nyudunno, but makes it easy for me to attend =)03:25
nyu(half an hour on train)03:25
__learner__there is also no gdesklets in the repository.03:25
Kinnisonnyu: Please feel free to turn up.03:25
nyuKinnison: stand up?03:25
catdogart_illery: Then 'Edit >> Reload Package List'03:25
BockBilboi would love to go too...03:25
spivnyu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConfAgenda03:25
Kinnisonnyu: In half an hour's time there's a New Maintainer talk03:25
Kinnisonnyu: then a languagepack talk, then one on python03:26
Kinnisonnyu: after dinner we have a card-games bof03:26
nyuKinnison: cool. isaac clerencia is sitting near me and 'll probably be interested03:26
nyuspiv: thx03:27
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catdogart_illery: if that doesn't work you've probably got internet connection problems.03:27
art_illeryhmmm, interesting, i have 7 choices there, and one is enabled, but it is only a CD-ROM URI. the other Internet URIs are not enabled. mazbe thats the problem?03:28
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catdogart_illery: most likely. For now just enable 'warty: main restricted' and 'warty-security: main restricted'.03:29
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ruebehi to all03:29
art_illerywith warty:main restricted you mean the options reading main restricted in the sections Column03:31
catdogart_illery: exactly03:32
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catdogart_illery: then, once you reloaded the package list (in the edit menu), it'd probably be a good idea to upgrade everything.03:33
__learner__how can I install Gdesklets?03:33
art_illeryi suppose i dont really need the choices reading deb-src, as those would be the source files to compile myself, which isnt what i want right now, right?03:33
catdogart_illery: Not really sure. No harm in selecting them03:34
sval__learner__ maybe ... sudo apt-get install gdesklets ...03:34
catdog__learner__: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=301203:34
sval__learner__ i think it's a good idea :d03:34
Simira*feels clever*03:35
__learner__sorry for that, I haven't seen it on the repositories.03:35
sval__learner__ add the universe and multiverse repository then03:36
catdogdesklets is in universe03:36
__learner__Now it's working. Sorry, it was my mistake.03:36
art_illerywow, it downloaded something hurray! Thanks a billion catdog. i cant imagine it was that simple. i was really getting my head broken, trying to set up an HTTP Proxy on my other Linux machine just for letting Synaptic connect. I wouldnt have imagined my problem to be that simple. ;oP03:38
catdogart_illery: np. You know now :) You'll probably want to enable universe and/or multiverse sometime in the future, to get a few good things - but ubuntu doesn't support packages taken from universe/multiverse.03:40
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art_illeryok, thank you for your kind support03:41
invitroHi, does anyone know what have happened to the mono packages? I was to install them but they seem to have got stuck in circling dependencies? Could the cause be that the maintainers are updating them at the moment?03:42
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zerokarmaleftinvitro, are you running warty or hoary?03:42
invitrozerokarmaleft: hoary.03:43
zerokarmaleftinvitro, i believe the package update is in progress...some packages on the repos are still 1.0203:43
zerokarmaleftinvitro, 1.04 was just released yesterday and i'm running warty, so i just built it from the source tarballs03:44
invitrozerokarmaleft: ah, that probably explains it. thanks.03:44
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imkahow can i copy complete directories to my local machine using sftp? i can copy files but not dirs03:53
nyuimka: try scp -r03:54
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BockBilbowhere is the path file in ubuntu???03:55
imkanyu what's the syntax?03:55
rory__theres a bunch of them really03:55
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nyuimka: info scp || man scp03:56
Synekimka: scp -t user@host:directory directory03:56
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samuraimorning all03:57
wood1Hello to all03:57
Synekhi ho :)03:57
Simiragood bof to all03:58
wood1How do I install the kernel  ???03:58
wood1I am currently using kernel
Tzalidarwood1, sudo apt-get install linux-68603:58
thoreauputicwood1: why do you need to change?03:58
Tzalidarbecause the 686 is more optimized for p4 p3 and such03:59
BockBilbodo anyone know where is the path file in ubuntu???03:59
wood1Well I seemed to get a speed improvement when using linux-68603:59
Synekwood1: i guess you want some customized kernel?03:59
thoreauputicTzalidar: the difference is negligible03:59
wood1Well, yup03:59
thoreauputicwood1: it's called the placebo effect ;)04:00
wood1that's it:  apt-get install linux-    ????04:00
BockBilbothoreauputic, do you know where it is?04:00
wood1what's the apt-get command ?04:00
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thoreauputicBockBilbo: "it" depends. There are several possibilities04:01
__learner__is it that easy to change the kernell?04:01
Tzalidar__learner__, yes04:01
catdogplus a reboot ;)04:01
wood1Well, what is the command to install the 686 kernel. I forgot04:01
BockBilbosee.. i want to add the bin directory of j2sdk to the path of the system04:01
samuraiwood1: if you have apt-cache installed you can "apt-cache search kernel|grep 2.6" this will give you all the options available. Select the one you want and "apt-get install appropriate-kernel-name"04:01
samuraiapt-cache command, I mean04:02
BockBilboin order to be able to use all the j2sdk programs04:02
Tzalidarwood1, it is an administrative tool for installing applications on debian/ubuntu or any apt-get enabled distro :)04:02
markus__According to the Ubuntu-Wiki, the nForce2-Audio-chip is supported via the intel8x0 driver. The module "snd_intel8x0" is loaded, but I can't get any access to the device? Any idea?04:02
thoreauputicwood1: why noyt just find it in synaptic? click and you are done04:02
BockBilboi know that there was a file in debian where y ou could just add some words to the path line in order to add the directory to the path04:02
TzalidarBockBilbo, did you use the Java guide in the ubuntu wiki?04:02
samuraiyou will also need to put a sudo in front of the apt-get install command04:02
wood1well I installed the 686 kernel from the command prompt. I just forgot the kernel source name04:02
BockBilboTzalidar, i did04:02
nyuany toolchain hacker in the cristal room i can bother with ada frontend questions? =)04:02
Tzalidarbecause when i did it it did that from start04:03
BockBilbobut thats just for jme04:03
Tzalidarhmm strange04:03
BockBilboi need j2sdk04:03
BockBilbodevelpment kit04:03
Tzalidaryes, i did it with jsdk 1.5.004:03
Tzalidarand it worked like a charm04:03
samuraidoes anyone know where the circular cursor is defined... Then one with the dots moving around its edge showing activity?04:03
__learner__What are the real changes made to java 504:03
Tzalidaror j2sdk 1.5.0 or whats it called :)04:03
BockBilbosee... i tried the 5thmethod04:03
Tzalidar__learner__, i believe they are MANY :)04:03
BockBilbowhich consists on the java-virtual-machine-dummy04:04
BockBilbodid you tried that?04:04
Tzalidar__learner__, SWING has gotten an upswing :), the metal theme is more sleek and i think that overall performance is very good04:04
Tzalidarokay, i used the second04:04
art_illerycya l8er04:05
BockBilbosee.. i just need to modify the path04:05
BockBilbothats how i made it last time04:05
BockBilboin debian04:05
Kamionwood1: somebody already told you above04:05
Kamion14:58 < Tzalidar> wood1, sudo apt-get install linux-68604:05
samuraiKamion: I just looked the kernel name would be linux-image-2.6-68604:06
wood1Thanks Kamion04:06
catdoglinux-686 also exists04:06
Kamionsamurai: there are a number of metapackages for various purposes.04:06
wood1But I installed the 686 Kernel from a different approach, I mean a different name04:06
zerokarmaleftsamurai, that's just the kernel image isn't it? i think linux-image is a metapackage to install modules as well04:07
Tzalidaryes, that works also04:07
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Kamionzerokarmaleft: no, not just the kernel image04:07
zerokarmaleftsamurai, linux-xxx i mean04:07
Kamionlinux-686 includes restricted modules04:07
samuraigood point04:07
Tzalidarwell, i dist-upgraded my hoary into brokeness04:07
Tzalidarthink i'll be going back to warty04:07
zerokarmaleftKamion, like the nvidia drivers for instance?04:07
Kamionzerokarmaleft: right, or madwifi, or whatever04:08
Kamionfree modules are in the main linux-image- package though04:08
wood1Oh yes I did it by:  apt-get install linux-image-
Kamionwood1: change the last . to a -04:08
samuraiBockBilbo: Have you just tried modifuing the path in /etc/profile?04:09
wood1what is the difference between: apt-get install  linux-686 and pt-get install linux-image-  ?04:09
wood1apt-get install linux-image-
Kamionthe second one is persistently misspelled?04:09
Kamion15:07 < Kamion> linux-686 includes restricted modules04:10
thoreauputicwood1: you apt-get a package, not a deb04:10
BockBilbosamurai, i havent04:10
BockBilboim gonna try first modifying bashrc04:10
wood1Are they the same commands ???04:10
Kamionno, they are not04:10
KamionI have already told you twice that linux-686 includes restricted kernel modules as well04:11
samuraiBockBilbo: that would work and localize the changed to you, in case you don't want them available to others that might want to use your system04:11
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__learner__Really? What about compatobility with old java prgs? Are they compatible? Do they bennefit from that performance increase?04:12
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BockBilbosamurai, im gonna do what you said04:12
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BockBilbojust add it to /etc/profile04:12
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wood1How do I install openMosix in Ubuntu ?04:13
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KinnisonRibs: what are you doing?04:13
RibsKinnison: Well, it appeared to just be wine, and cedega at first04:15
Ribsnow I've noticed that glxinfo and glxgears are having the same problem04:15
RibsSo I'm thinking it's the Nvidia module04:15
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wood1Amaranth, are you there ?04:15
KinnisonRibs: Aaah nvidia or nv?04:15
Amaranthwood1: Yeah04:16
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wood1How do I install the openMosix in Ubuntu ?04:16
RibsI've installed manually, but not taking out the modules from Synaptic04:16
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Amaranthwood1: No clue.04:17
AmaranthI've never touched it.04:17
wood1Well it's OK04:17
AmaranthI don't think Ubuntu would be a good distro for clustering.04:17
KinnisonAmaranth: why not?04:17
wood1Well it's worth giving it a try04:17
wood1I am just experimenting04:17
wood1No harm04:17
AmaranthKinnison: It's meant for a desktop, certain things are setup in ways that wouldn't be the best for a server.04:17
KinnisonAmaranth: you can make a server install of ubuntu04:18
KinnisonAmaranth: all our servers run it :-)04:18
SimiraAmaranth: it's not spesifically made for being a desktop04:18
zerokarmaleftthere's so much stuff a server doesn't need04:18
zerokarmaleftX, for instance04:18
Amaranthyeah, like X and GTK :P04:18
KinnisonX is in the *DESKTOP* install04:18
SimiraAmaranth: it's made for having the possibilities of a desktop, but it's also a server tool04:18
Kinnisonyou can make a *SERVER* install04:19
AmaranthHow? The default install automatically setups up a desktop.04:19
zerokarmaleftditto, my curiosity is now piqued04:19
KinnisonI believe it's an argument to the installer04:19
KinnisonKamion would know more04:19
AmaranthShould have an ubuntu-server metapackage. ;)04:20
Kinnisonwhat do you want installed on a server?04:20
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AmaranthGood question. :P04:21
wood1Well I think that there is an option to install Ubuntu as a Server during the 1st Phase of installation04:21
__learner__Is there any way to install apache-PHP-mysql combo in ubuntu?04:21
Amaranthapache 1 or 2?04:22
__learner__Or Will I need to install all of them separately04:22
Tzalidari think that you append "custom" as a boot parameter04:22
Tzalidarsudo apt-get install apache php4 mysql-server04:22
bob2__learner__: sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server libapach2-mod-php4 php4-mysql04:22
Tzalidari beleive that ubuntu defaults to apache204:22
AmaranthTzalidar: You forgot one.04:22
Tzalidarthe rest are installed as dependencies :)04:22
__learner__don't know the difference... I will make a page to put on another web server, so I think I need the most used one.04:22
bob2no they're not04:22
Tzalidarhmm perhaps not php4-mysql but anyways :)04:23
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AmaranthTzalidar: libapache2-mod-php4 isn't installed with your command.04:23
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KamionAmaranth: boot with 'custom'. it's in the documentation04:24
KamionAmaranth: (as in, type 'custom' at the boot prompt)04:25
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__learner__I need an apache version that is compatible with the version of a hosting service server? The version will interfere with that?04:25
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Amaranthwell, i'm not making a server, just wondering04:25
bob2__learner__: maybe yo ucould explain what you're trying to do?04:25
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Amaranth__learner__: Unless you are messing with Apache config stuff and not just PHP the version doesn't matter.04:25
PyGuyDoes anyone know in how many days/weeks Ubuntu CDs are packaged and mailed?04:25
mjg59PyGuy: Various batches have been done04:26
AmaranthIt says on the site.04:26
KamionI called it custom because it doesn't contain any extra server bits; it's just the base system04:26
__learner__I just need to install apache-php-mysql do create and test the page during development. I don't need to use it as a server for other people.04:26
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PyGuymjg59, are you notified when your pack is sent out? Or do you just have to "wait it out"?04:26
AmaranthKamion: I ended up with the base system in a different way. ;)04:26
bob2PyGuy: depends when you ordered...up to 6 weeks depending if you ordered just after a batch went out04:26
AmaranthThe installer failed while getting the ubuntu-desktop package04:26
samuraidid anyone think of where the circular cursor is defined under gnome2.8 Looked through gconf and not been able to find it... any suggestions?04:26
bob2PyGuy: the shipit site will show you if they've been dispatched04:26
KamionAmaranth: in warty?04:27
PyGuyOkay, thanks guys04:27
mjg59PyGuy: If you log into the site, you should be able to find out what batch you're in04:27
AmaranthKamion: Yeah, I don't remember what I did to it though.04:27
AmaranthI was trying to abuse it and I succeeded.04:27
mjg59If it hasn't shipped yet, it's not currently possible to find out how long it'll be as far as I know04:27
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PyGuybob2, do you mind I ask, if you're a paid developer for Ubuntu?04:27
bob2PyGuy: I work canonical, but not on Ubuntu04:28
bob2er, "work for Canonical"04:28
AmaranthKamion: I think I actaully just hit Ctrl-C while it was installing. ;)04:28
zerokarmaleftKamion, an ubuntu LAMPP bare-bones server setup would be cool04:28
PyGuybob2, good to see :)04:28
Kamionzerokarmaleft: would make a good derivative distro04:28
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deegohi everyone, how easy is it to go back and forth betwen debian (which i currently use) and ubuntu? just a matter of tweaking apt's sources.list?04:32
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__learner__so I just need to: sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server libapach2-mod-php4 php4-mysql and then get the libapache2-mod-php4  on synaptic04:33
Amaranthsudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql04:35
Amaranththat should cover it04:35
__learner__tx a lot04:35
__learner__will I need to change config files of them in order for it to work?04:35
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__learner__is there any dreamweaver like editor for linux.04:37
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BockBilbohello again04:39
__learner__All I wnat is to draw tables with the mouse.04:40
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thoreauputic__learner__: well mozilla composer does tables with point and click, although I guess you have to input the occasional number04:42
|QuaD-___learner__: nvu is supposed to be uber nice04:43
thoreauputic__learner__: I don't know dreamweaver, but moz composer is wysiwyg and OK - it even produces compliant htnl04:44
dddyeah mozilla composer can do that but i'd rather used bluefish04:44
thoreauputicer html....  nvu is based on it04:44
|QuaD-_thoreauputic: yeah... i actually haven't used either (i use bluefish) but i hear nvu is pretty nice04:45
thoreauputicddd: bluefish is probably more extensible and suited to people who know a bit of html04:45
deegohi, excuse me if i got things wrong -- "universe" has no securtiy support, right?04:45
|QuaD-_deego: they have NO support what so ever04:46
deegook, thanks |QuaD-_04:46
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dddthoreauputic: of couse it's me a flexible way to both html and php04:46
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thoreauputic|QuaD-_: I have an early version of NVU - it's very similar to moz composer, but I would assume later versions are more polished04:46
|QuaD-_thoreauputic: how many versions have been released?04:47
thoreauputic|QuaD-_: don't know - mine is about 0.2 but I think i'ts up to 0.6 or so now04:48
__learner__I'll talk to you latter. I gpotto go. Tx again for all the help!04:48
|QuaD-_lol... yeah that is old04:48
|QuaD-___learner__: :)04:48
|QuaD-___learner__: what app were you concerned about04:48
dddis nvu on warty ?04:49
|QuaD-_ddd: no, not hoary etih04:49
deegosorry for being thickheaded: so if i had gpdf from universe, or something else installed, and there was a vulnerability discovered, an apt-get upgrade wouldn't fix my install, right?04:49
thoreauputicddd: I think there's a howto on installing it on the ubuntu site somewhere04:50
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dddyeah i'm look at ...04:50
|QuaD-_deego: it will04:50
|QuaD-_deego: as long as a fix was made04:51
|QuaD-_deego: they just don't support any universe apps04:51
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deego|QuaD-_: thanks04:51
|QuaD-_deego: i have never had a problem, esp cuz ubuntu shouldn't be used on a production machine04:52
GomezHi Everyone04:52
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GomezI have a small problem04:53
|QuaD-_Gomez: if you don't state it we don't care :)04:54
GomezI have 2 NTFS partions on my dual boot Win/Ubuntu system04:54
|QuaD-_there you go :)04:54
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GomezI cannot seem to get USER access to either04:54
Tzalidaruse a umask04:54
Tzalidarlike umask=004:54
GomezIn FSTAB????04:55
Tzalidaras a option04:55
thomerzhi, i've a problem, i have no text in my flash in firefox04:55
GomezYou are a gent:)04:55
Tzalidari dont know how that setting is from a security perspective04:55
dddthe common problem from my friends since i've distributed the free warty cd to them is about howto configure the sound device04:55
Tzalidarbut it works04:55
|QuaD-_ddd: help them out :)04:55
Tzalidarddd, do they have multiple sound cards?04:55
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ddd|QuaD-_ :as far as I can :)04:56
dddsome use onboard soundcard04:58
dddsomething like AD198* chipset04:59
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dddfrom asus mainboard05:00
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L1nXLo all05:00
BockBilbois it possible to upgrade openoffice.org in ubuntu from 1.1.2 to 1.1.3???05:00
L1nXI have a technical query abput Ubuntu's Live CD if anyone is awake/here05:00
|QuaD-_BockBilbo: warty or hoary?05:01
L1nXI can only run it on 640x480 res on my Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop05:01
bob2L1nX: please file a bug with the output of 'lspci', 'lspci -n' and 'dmesg'.05:02
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L1nXis there anyway to change it to at least 800x600 now or something?05:02
|QuaD-_BockBilbo: warty is frozen05:02
|QuaD-_bob2: you are a developer right?05:02
GomezTzalidar: Thanks... All working.05:02
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BockBilbo|QuaD-, is that why i cannot upgrade??05:03
bob2|QuaD-_: I work for canonical but not on ubuntu05:03
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|QuaD-_BockBilbo: kinda..... they only upgrade for security reasons (i think)05:03
bob2BockBilbo: warty will not get a new version of openoffice, sorry05:03
|QuaD-_bob2: maybe you can still answer my question05:03
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|QuaD-_bob2: do the developers keep any sort of public log books05:04
|QuaD-_to show what they are workign on?05:04
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bob2|QuaD-_: ubuntu-devel@lists.u.o and http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/ basically05:04
BockBilbowhat do i have to change in the sources.list to change to hoary ??05:04
bob2(it's being discussed right here now)05:04
BockBilbojust delete warty and add hoary???05:04
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bob2BockBilbo: change 'warty' to 'hoary'05:05
Kamion|QuaD-_: thanks for bringing that up, Mark says "that's a really good point"05:05
|QuaD-_Kamion: what is?05:05
BockBilbojust like in debian05:05
Kamion|QuaD-_: we do keep private logs, but hopefully we'll be turning those into public weblogs soonish05:05
|QuaD-_bob2: but they don't have like a log book on what they are working on for the day or something?05:05
|QuaD-_Kamion: :)05:05
catdogBockBilbo: I would say only go to hoary if you really need to though...05:05
|QuaD-_Kamion: thanks05:05
|QuaD-_BockBilbo: remember, if you go to hoary, things will break (my system won't boot x now)05:06
L1nXCould I change the XFree configuration. I will have to edit it every restart though. How could/should I do that?05:06
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|QuaD-_and no one can fix it yet (i don't htink)05:07
BockBilboso its not like switching from sarge to sid05:07
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|QuaD-_BockBilbo: no idea05:07
BockBilboi wont change from now05:07
bob2it's like woody to sid05:07
|QuaD-_Kamion: while i have you in here, is there any progress in plans for a kde release?05:07
BockBilboisnt there a testing version???05:07
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|QuaD-_BockBilbo: not on ubuntu05:07
BockBilboso i will keep warty05:08
|QuaD-_BockBilbo: i don't see the point in 3 versions05:08
BockBilbome either05:08
|QuaD-_all you need is a stable and unstable05:08
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BockBilboby the way05:08
Riddell|QuaD-_: doesn't seem to be any progress on a KDE release05:08
BockBilboi have a problem with wifi in ubunru05:08
BockBilbothe wiki says that the intel pro wireless 2200BG card its totally supported05:08
BockBilboeven in the installer05:09
|QuaD-_Riddell: alright thanks, i iwll keep waiting and crossing my fingers05:09
BockBilboand it seens that ubuntu has detected it... but it doesnt work05:09
BockBilbodo you know what could be the problem?05:09
bob2I'm pretty sure it only recently got support05:09
Kamion|QuaD-_: we need community help for that05:10
BockBilbowell.. i downloaded and installed ubuntu yesterday05:10
bob2waryt was frozen in october05:11
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RochaSomeone here using gdesklets?05:11
BockBilbosee this:  Intel05:11
BockBilboPRO/Wireless 2200 (Centrino)05:11
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|QuaD-_Kamion: in what ways?05:11
catdogRocha: hi. yes.05:11
bob2BockBilbo: er, the chipset is plenty of information05:11
BockBilboAutomatically detected since the first installation steps, even asking for the WEP key05:11
BockBilbouff sorrry05:11
BockBilboi didnt ment to paste that much05:12
Rochacatdog, i just installed gdesklets using synaptic, clicked on the "Applications->Accessories->gDesklets" but nothing happens.05:12
Rochacatdog, am i missing something?05:12
BockBilborocha, you have to load the displays05:12
AmaranthI thought Centrino needed that Project Evil wrapper thing for the Windows driver05:12
RochaBockBilbo, from the command line?05:12
paulproteusndiswarper ? ;)05:12
paulproteusNo, there are native Centrino drivers these days.05:12
BockBilboRocha, did you get the gdesklet data???05:12
Amaranthoh yeah, Project Evil is the name for the FreeBSD version05:12
RochaBockBilbo, yup05:12
catdogRocha: Okay, now get some displays (called - xxxx.display), then load them with gdesklets05:13
Kamion|QuaD-_: Canonical only have the resources to deal with one desktop environment, but if people want a KDE version of Ubuntu - and they do - we'd welcome it, and we have tools in progress that will help out people who want to create derivatives05:13
RochaI'll try.05:13
BockBilbocatdog, the displays come with the gdesklets.data05:13
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bob2Amaranth: no, they just require binary-only firmware blobs05:13
BockBilbojust go to05:13
|QuaD-_Kamion: ohhh, i got it.... how did Canonical chose gnome over kde?05:13
catdogBockBilbo: Ahha, righto05:13
wood1Hi everybody05:13
AmaranthKamion: You're guys are going to release the tools you use to brand GNOME and etc, right?05:13
Kamion|QuaD-_: well, we employ the GNOME release manager ... :-) I think it was originally because their release process was a good fit for what we wanted too05:14
KamionAmaranth: vi ... :-)05:14
BockBilboRocha go to /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays05:14
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KamionAmaranth: at least that's how I'm branding the installer right now05:14
AmaranthKamion: Yeah but I heard you have scripts setup to do it.05:14
wood1I just update my Kernel Image from linux-386 to linux-68605:14
KamionAmaranth: but ultimately yeah05:14
|QuaD-_Kamion: makes sense :)05:14
BockBilbopaulproteus, are you running ipw2200 ???05:14
wood1Can I remove the linux-386 kernel image ?05:14
KamionAmaranth: if we have branding tools nobody's told me05:14
paulproteusBockBilbo: No, but a housemate was earlier.05:14
KamionAmaranth: we have merging tools, and I *think* we'll be releasing those eventually05:15
wood1So can I remove the linux-386 image ?????05:15
BockBilbooh... and did he install it in ubuntu??05:15
Kamiondon't know the details of that though05:15
paulproteusNo, Debian proper.05:15
Kamionwood1: only after you've rebooted into linux-68605:15
arleHi, there...05:15
AmaranthKamion: All the stuff for GNOME is hand editted too?05:15
arleDoes anyone have an Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)?05:15
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KamionAmaranth: don't know the details of that, sorry05:15
Amaranththe gdm theme, the gnome theme, the backgrounds, etc05:15
wood1Yes I have Kamion05:15
RochaBockBilbo, $gdesklets ???.display ?05:15
HcEarle: yes05:15
BockBilboi think so05:15
KamionAmaranth: AFAIK that's all by hand, but I could be wrong05:15
palle1can i install Windows XP after i have installed Ubuntu???05:15
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arleHcE: working...? :-\05:16
wood1So can I remove the linux-386 iamge ????05:16
HcEarle: listening on musing from it right now05:16
Kamionwood1: should be able to, yeah05:16
the_gummibeardamnit, that's an idea :p let's install those gdesklets again :)05:16
catdogRocha: or right click a *.display and find gdesklets05:16
Amaranth2.9 changed the menu system to be fd.o complient and now i can't open nautilus without using a terminal05:16
wood1OK, thanks05:16
arleHcE: wonderful! I wrote to the list minutes ago05:16
paulproteuspalle1: Windows may overwrite your Linux bootloader if you install to the same hard drive.05:16
HcEarle: I run my own compiled kernel05:16
wood1Hey Amaranth, I thought that you were using Warty ?05:17
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Amaranthha, nope05:17
paulproteuspalle1: It is possible, of course, to recover it; it's a trip to the install CD's command-line that you probably aren't interested in.05:17
arleHcE: I see.... What about the default kernel? Were you abel to use the sndcard with it?05:17
palle1paulproteus: yes that's what happened last time i installed it... so how can i do if i need to install windiws?05:17
wood1Where did the 2.9 thing05:17
Amaranthi live on the edge :)05:17
wood1come from05:17
Amaranthwood1: GNOME 2.9 is in hoary05:17
HcEarle: Don't know, I always fiddle thing the way I like them05:17
wood1Well it was you who told me to switch back my Hoary machine to Warty and now you are using Hoary yourself05:17
arleHcE: sorry... what's 'fiddle'? :(05:18
HcEarle: but you should be able to get it to work, think I used some standard Intel driver05:18
AmaranthI've used hoary since day 2 of using Ubuntu.05:18
palle1paulproteus: how can i do?? is it much work?05:18
wood1I think it's 2.9.2 now05:18
HcEarle: mess around or something05:18
AmaranthI told you to switch back to warty because you don't know what you're doing. :P05:18
wood1Hey, what about you ???05:18
RochaBockBilbo, starterbar has some visual bugs!05:18
paulproteuspalle1: It's not much work, no.  I suggest you ask for specific directions in #debian.05:19
Amaranthwood1: I know how to solve most of the problems I get.05:19
wood1How do you know that you are 100% sure that you have understood the full aspect of Ubuntu Linux05:19
arleHcE: I have started a thread in the ubuntu-users list just a few minutes ago05:19
palle1paulproteus: okay thnx05:19
arleThere I dump my lsmod and lspci05:19
HcEarle: I think I use "Intel i8x0/MX440, SiS 7012; Ali 5455; NForce Audio; AMD768/8111"05:19
wood1Well an average Linux User knows 0.5 % of Linux05:19
Amaranthwood1: I don't, but I know how to apply cheap hacks and milk the dpkg system for all it's worth.05:19
wood1If you know 2 - 3 % of Linux then you are Linus Travolds05:20
Amaranthwood1: Linux is the kernel05:20
BockBilboRocha, some dont work properly, i know05:20
arleHcE: How can I change that? I miss Debian's modconf :(05:20
wood1I Know but I am giving the idea05:20
RochaBockBilbo, i think the sticky notes is not available from the package, i have to download it myself.05:20
wood1But the Kernel is the heart of the GNU/Linux itself05:21
wood1Without it, Linux is dead05:21
BockBilboi think05:21
Amaranthwood1: Without Linux Linux is dead. That makes sense.05:21
HcEarle: the module is named snd-intel8x005:21
wood1Without the kernel, Linux is dead05:21
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Amaranthwood1: Linux _is_ the kernel.05:21
arleHcE: lsmod shows it at 1st place05:22
arlesnd_intel8x0           33068  305:22
the_gummibearhmm, i can't get on gdesklets.org :s05:22
wood1Well I really want to see Mark Rosonivich and Linus Travolds in a debate05:22
izthirst there was linux after that people where born05:22
danielsok, guys, offtopic.05:22
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Amaranthwood1: Did you see the link I gave you for ClusterKnoppix?05:23
|QuaD-_daniels/kamion/any other dev: i don't know who runs the wiki/howto's but it might be worthwhile to put a "screen" how to... its amazingly simple to use yet extremely powerful05:23
bob2|QuaD-_: anyone can add pages05:23
wood1Well I booted my PC with the 686 linux before I could go there05:23
wood1Can I have the link again05:24
|QuaD-_bob2: ohh... didn't know that05:24
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AmaranthBasically it's supposed to be as easy as hooking the machines to the same network and booting them from the CD.05:24
wood1But that link applis to Knoppix Linux, doesn't it05:24
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wood1Well I have to run Knoppix Live CD for that05:26
bob2this is kinda off-topic, too05:26
scottie_zSo, I've just installed Ubuntu, and thinking I'd like to contribute somehow.  What would be the best way to share my installation experience, and be a part of package inclusion discussions and stuff?  Mailing list?  Forums?  Here?  Do I just post things all at once, or break them down into categories?  How does this "community" thing work?05:27
bob2scottie_z: writing to ubuntu-users could be good.05:28
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wasabi_Can one install ubuntu from the live cd?05:39
wasabi_Is the installation program on i?05:39
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wasabi_Should drop that on there.05:39
bob2that's what the install cd is for05:39
bob2it's a big change05:39
bob2(to d-i)05:39
MarcNI'm installing ubuntu behind a firewall and skipping the grub install (but continuing)  How do I get X configured?  dpkg-reconfigure -a doesn't pick it up.05:40
Kamionwasabi_: we've got a live CD redesign in progress to possibly allow for that05:40
bob2MarcN: it will be configured during the install...05:41
Kamionwasabi_: it's completely impossible with the way the live CD works at the moment; it's not just "drop that on there", I'm afraid05:41
MarcNbob2: I've completed the install, but no X.05:41
Kamionbut Matt's working on having the live CD work using the first half of d-i to do its hardware detection, which may let them merge at least on a DVD05:42
bob2MarcN: did the second stage urn?05:42
melter|workis it possible to tell the installer to use a swap partition?05:42
MarcNah, dpkg-recofigure xserver-xfree8605:42
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wasabi_Kamion: i'd be fine with only netinstall.05:42
wasabi_I know that's not ideal.05:42
RochaBockBilbo, i can't install displays :(05:42
RochaBockBilbo, i followed the instructions but it keeps saying that i didn't install the sensor05:43
MarcNbob2: the thing is I skipped the grub stage.  Completed and backup. manually added eth0, set proxies and then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade05:43
bob2so the second bit didn't run05:44
bob2dunno how to run that, colin would know05:44
Simirapeople's working too hard here, update/upgrade takes too long!05:44
|QuaD-_so i have a question. i currently have a gtk only system, don't use kdelibs. if i install programs like kopete/kpim/etc will the performance of my computer take a hit?05:45
Ng|QuaD-_: not really05:45
|QuaD-_would htose programs run just as fast under gnome?05:45
MarcNbob2: i'm in a long concall and figured it would be worth a go.  i'll reinstall on this laptop at home with out the proxy needs.  I previously had ubuntu on this lappy previously.05:45
Ng|QuaD-_: it'll just use a bit more RAM for the KDE libs05:46
|QuaD-_heh ok... are you sure about that?05:46
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MarcNbob2: i didn't see an opportunity to set proxies.05:47
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wood1Can somebody give me ideas to install openMosix in Ubuntu ?05:48
Ng|QuaD-_: yes. Unless you are seriously short of Hard Disk and/or RAM, it'll be just as fast05:49
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|QuaD-_Ng: 1 gig ram (usually using ~200-400 mb, and 240gig hd :)05:49
Ng|QuaD-_: yeah, that should be fine ;)05:49
spacedmanwood1: first install ubuntu, then go to #openmosix :)05:49
wood1Well Ubuntu is already installed05:50
|QuaD-_Ng: it is soo tempting05:50
spacedmanwood1: now you just need to install an openmosix kernel...05:50
Ng|QuaD-_: what was it you wanted to install?05:50
Kamionwasabi_: unfortunately when I say that the live CD is really tight on space, I do mean it :) the netboot install won't fit, I don't think05:50
|QuaD-_all my kde apps :)05:50
Ng|QuaD-_: hehe, well you will probably notice that things don't integrate as well05:51
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wood1Well how do I install a openmosix kernel patch for Ubuntu ?05:51
wasabi_Kamion: heh.05:51
|QuaD-_i switched from debian (after 4 years) always using kde05:51
|QuaD-_haven't put any on05:51
Ng|Quad-_: I've only really gotten into the mixing KDE/Gnome scenario for one-off apps like K3B05:51
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|QuaD-_but i miss kpim, kdevelop, etc05:51
Ng|QuaD-_: perhaps a distro with KDE in it would be more sensible then? ;)05:52
|QuaD-_Ng: i normally would have said that, i wanted to see what the hype about ubuntu was all about. I am thoroughly impressed05:52
|QuaD-_(other than the gnome part)05:52
|QuaD-_i have been using the mozilla apps instead of kpim and that is decent (i don't like evolution)05:53
wood1Well I guess that Nobody at #openmosix knows how to install openMosix in Ubuntu05:53
|QuaD-_kdevelop, well have been using c# and vs.net... so there that goes05:53
wood1I went there in vain05:53
|QuaD-_and i am getting used to the interface05:54
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Ngwood1: perhaps a distro better suited to openmosix then?05:54
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Ngjust because ubuntu is impressive or cool doesn't mean it's necessarily the right tool for a specific job :)05:54
zerokarmaleft|QuaD-_ how you running vs.net?  through wine or vmware or what?05:54
|QuaD-_zerokarmaleft: even better... it is something called windowsXP :)05:55
|QuaD-_i have windows in my lab05:55
zerokarmaleftdual boot then05:55
zerokarmaleftoh ic05:55
|QuaD-_zerokarmaleft: i don't need windows on this05:55
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|QuaD-_actually i am on a windows pc now (ssh ing to my other box)05:56
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wood1Just format the hard disk and install Ubuntu on it05:57
|QuaD-_wood1: why?05:58
wood1You said that you don't need windows on that PC05:58
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wood1Why don't you install 2 or more Linux distributions on that Machine if you have the hard disk space05:58
|QuaD-_wood1: i do need windows on it05:59
|QuaD-_i have ubuntu on my other machine05:59
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wood1Well just dual on the PC with Windows in it too05:59
zerokarmaleftdual boot is so annoying06:00
RochaAnyone using the Sticky Notes Display for gdesklets?06:00
wood1Having 2 different OSs is better than having 106:00
wood1Why is dual booting so annoying06:00
wood1X Server Terminal can take care of the Windows thing06:00
LinuxJonesDoes anybody have any experience with hosting a Bittorrent stream ?06:01
|QuaD-_wood1: i have no desire to dual boot06:01
|QuaD-_my lab pc needs to be windows, it is06:01
wood1Amaranth, I went to the #openmosix chatroom but it seems that they themselves don't know how to install openMosix in Ubuntu06:02
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|QuaD-_my other pc is not required to be anything, so i choe06:02
suixIhave problems installing java can anyone help me?06:02
wood1Then what do You want to do with the XP machine06:02
wood1Anyway, does somebody here knows how to install openMosix in Ubuntu ?06:03
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Kamion(note: "You" is not normally capitalised in English, unless it's at the beginning of a sentence)06:03
wood1I need desperate help06:03
wood1Well is this chatroom an English language course06:04
suixive descompressed the binary file in a directory called /usr/local/sdk, then I've linked all files in the bin directory of java to /usr/bin also I introducced the paths of the libraries in ld.so.conf and made a ldconfig, but I still get an error saying Error: could not find Java 2 Runtime Environment.06:04
Kamionopenmosix apparently hasn't built successfully in universe, but you could try building it from the source package in universe yourself06:05
Kamionbuild log is http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/openmosix/1:0.3.4-7/openmosix_1:0.3.4-7_20041027-1923-i386-failed06:06
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Kamionlooks like kernel header issues06:06
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defendguinive got a problem my usb drive is not being seen when i plug it in06:07
defendguini need to move some files to it like now06:07
RochaIt should appear there.06:07
RochaMaybe labelled as "sda1"06:08
defendguinit appears in the hal device manager06:08
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spacey`kimy usb drive appears as /dev/sda106:08
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defendguinyeah but mine isnt appearing as anything06:08
defendguinive tried unplugging and replugging06:09
derJuniorhas someone here k3b with unbuntu installed?06:11
defendguinmust be some issue with the flash drive my other one works fine06:11
defendguinbut this flash drive works on my other system06:11
defendguingo figure06:11
derJuniorbecause i can't install k3b on my ubuntu workstation06:12
derJuniorjoin #debian.de06:13
|QuaD-_derJunior: lol06:13
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derJunior|QuaD-: :)06:13
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derJuniori can't understand how it doesn't work06:13
GoldeNArXok all.06:13
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GoldeNArXcan someone help me with mounting a newly installed drive?06:14
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|QuaD-_GoldeNArX: ok06:14
|QuaD-_what driv06:14
GoldeNArXits device hdc and its an ext3 part06:15
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|QuaD-_GoldeNArX: mkdir /mnt/hdc106:15
|QuaD-_wait how many partitions on the drive06:15
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|QuaD-_ok yeah then type that06:15
zenpodCan anyone tell me where I can find an Industrial Theme for Firefox 0.9.3?06:16
zenpodand wtf is this06:16
zenpod-THE-DONE- Hi zenpod - IC YOU HAVE JOINED #Ubuntu - www.geocities.com/the_mad_cow_hackers theres a new web page in the the hacker underground come check us out and sig the book and say hi www.geocities.com/the_mad_cow_hackers06:16
GoldeNArXok done06:16
GoldeNArXhad to use the sudo command06:17
|QuaD-_now type mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc106:17
|QuaD-_GoldeNArX: yeah06:17
|QuaD-_you have ot for this also06:17
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Kamionzenpod: report that on #freenode?06:17
Simiradid the Language BOF just disappear, or has it moved in time or place?06:17
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GoldeNArXsays must specify file system type06:18
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zenpodKamion, I'm afraid I don't understand?06:18
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Kamionzenpod: #freenode has the network operators, who can kick people off06:18
|QuaD-_GoldeNArX: hmmm06:18
derJuniorhttp://www.nopaste.info/?id=79   <-- here ist my Problem with installing k3b under ubunut06:18
zenpodKamion, ahh ok06:18
|QuaD-_what did you type exactly06:18
Kamionzenpod: (he should be banned from the network, not just from #ubuntu)06:19
derJuniorcan someone help me?06:19
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GoldeNArX sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc106:19
|QuaD-_hmm.... that SHOULD work06:19
zenpodDoes anyone know where I can find the Industrial Theme for firefox 0.9.3 that comes with Warty?06:19
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GoldeNArXhrmm.. any other ideas?06:20
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|QuaD-_GoldeNArX: read the man pages, see how to add a fs type06:21
derJunior|QuaD-: any idea in my problem06:22
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|QuaD-_derJunior: what is it06:22
derJuniori can't install k3b06:22
derJuniorhere are the output06:22
derJuniorhere are the outputs06:22
|QuaD-_derJunior: i dont' run k3b let me look though06:22
|QuaD-_un met dependencies06:23
|QuaD-_is k3b universe?06:23
derJunior|QuaD-: i think so but i don't know06:23
sladen|QuaD-_: yes06:23
|QuaD-_and do you have universe enabled?06:23
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|QuaD-_actually you have to06:23
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derJunior|QuaD-:  on the link you can see my sources.list06:24
derJuniorare ther some more options i don't know?06:24
|QuaD-_derJunior: i have no idea why, kde might be broken06:24
|QuaD-_wary or hoary?06:24
zerokarmaleftthat's weird that it bugs out on installing a simple lib like aRts06:24
derJuniorwary or hoary?06:25
|QuaD-_or hoary06:25
|QuaD-_grr wart06:25
zerokarmalefthe's on warty06:25
|QuaD-_i coulda checked06:25
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|QuaD-_yeah i just noticed06:25
zerokarmaleftheh :p06:25
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derJuniork3b ist the best burn program in my opinion06:25
derJuniori need it :)06:25
AndreiVI have 2 questions about UBUNTU live cd:06:26
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AndreiV1) how do I shut it down (reboot, shutdown -r don't work)06:27
derJuniorAndreiV: shutdown -h now06:27
AndreiV2) what is the root password(i'm using very much su)06:27
derJuniorshutdown -r now06:27
|QuaD-_AndreiV: just do sudo06:27
derJuniorAndreiV: there ist no root pw set but you can do it wiht sudo passwd root06:28
AndreiVderJunior: I know, sorry, i forgot tyo write now06:28
piyri've heard python was designed to be scriptable by python; how can i make openoffice convert a bunch of .xls files to .csv?06:28
AndreiV10x derJunior for 2)06:28
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AndreiVbut shutdown -r now don't work06:28
derJuniorAndreiV: i don't like the sudo command too06:29
derJuniorAndreiV: you have to be root06:29
AndreiVis says somenthing like : can'f find (or execute) init06:29
AndreiVany ideea?06:30
derJuniorAndreiV: you can also run the reboot command (as root 2)06:30
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AndreiV09:27:33]  <AndreiV> 1) how do I shut it down (reboot, shutdown -r don't work)06:31
zerokarmaleftsudo shutdown -h now06:31
AndreiVi tried these commands from console(I've pressed Ctrl+Alt+F3), and wrote them06:31
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AndreiVand another thing06:32
GoldeNArXcant seem to figure this out06:32
AndreiVon my computer, the consoles are "moved left", out of screen06:32
zenpodDoes anyone know where I can find the Industrial Theme for firefox 0.9.3 that comes with Warty?06:32
GoldeNArXok.. this mounting isnt working06:33
AndreiVand I can't see about 4-5 chars06:33
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zAo^any1 who can mirror gaim_1.1.0-1-warty+backportedfrom-ubuntu-hoary1_i386.deb ?!? thanks!06:33
zAo^getting @ 650b/s :+06:33
zerokarmaleftzAo^, what repos are you getting that from?06:34
|QuaD-_zAo^: from?06:34
zAo^let me see06:34
RibsUbuntu handles my digital camera very well06:34
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zAo^Ribs, I cant open RAW pictures (Canon), can you?06:35
zerokarmaleftoh, jdong's06:35
RibsThis camera uses jpeg06:35
Ribsindustry standard06:36
zAo^it's lossy ;)06:36
RibsI don't buy shit that uses custom bollocks06:36
zAo^Lol, Canon 1D == crap? lol06:37
RibsWell, I'm not the one who can't read the images on it :P06:37
zAo^The raw plugin is crap, not the cam, not the distro06:38
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zerokarmaleftwow, the backports repository is sloooow06:40
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AmaranthHey, that's a neat trick.06:44
AmaranthWell, I guess that's what all the linux companies do. Create a distro and provide service for it.06:44
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socommI was about to say those `mad cow hackers' managed to get rid of that geocities banner.06:45
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socommApparently not.06:45
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zenpodWhy am I getting broken dependancies for mplayer-nogui in warty?06:49
zenpodit's never happened before06:49
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oscarhanyone who get segment fault with zinf?06:50
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socommoscarh: Yes.06:50
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oscarhsocomm, checked bugzilla.ubuntulinux.com but found nothing, checked debian to and found just as much.06:51
zenpodcrap.. maplyer on marrilat's ftp is a newer version or something, and won't install on warty now06:51
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oscarhzenpod, whats the problem with mplayer?06:52
socommoscarh: Yeah I'm not too hot on zinf, I was just curious on how it would feel. Unfortunately it segfaulted, and I uninstalled.06:52
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zenpodoscarh, dependancy issues06:52
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GoldeNArXwoohoo its mounted06:52
oscarhsocomm, loll, worked on wart, but i'm using hoary now06:52
oscarhzenpod, any more specific?06:52
socommoscarh: That might be it, I'm using hoary as well.06:53
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GoldeNArXnow.. samba server06:53
zenpodoscarh, one second06:53
GoldeNArXbut that I think thats a project for tonight06:53
socommzenpod: Exact error message, please.06:53
oscarhsocomm, still, it schouldn't seg fault06:53
oscarhwow, i can really type :(06:53
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socommoscarh: You can try to backtrace it and submit a bug report to ubuntus mailing list.06:54
socommoscarh: I'd do it my self but I'm happy with xmms/bmp/mplayer/etc ....06:54
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zenpodOkay, mplayer-custom installed, but when I try and run it, I get Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf06:55
zenpodIllegal instruction06:55
oscarhsocomm, argh, so much work06:55
socommoscarh: TNSTAAFL06:56
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oscarhsocomm, it aint that important, and bogreports from multivere or whatever is supposed to go to debain06:56
catdogzenpod: Have you tried compiling from source? There's a nice howto on the forums.06:56
oscarhzenpod, check you config ,P06:57
socommoscarh: Okay, just stick with some other player for the time being I suppose.06:57
socommcatdog: Link?06:57
oscarhsocomm, i guess06:57
catdogzenpod: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9406:57
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zenpodcatdog, ok06:58
oscarhzenpod, how do you come up with the dependency problems from the Illegal instruction?06:59
|QuaD-_Kamion: are you at canonical right now or the conference?06:59
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oikhi all07:04
oikhope someone can help me...07:05
oikupgrade to hoary has completely b0rked my box :-(07:05
socommoik: `apt-get dist-upgrade'07:05
oscarhreinstall, and distuppgrade from fresh warty is my advise07:05
oiksocomm: well yes, that's whats b0rked it07:05
oscarhdid the same07:05
socommoik: Gnome is gone?07:06
oikIt's a problem with X.org I think07:06
socommoik: I noticed the same when I dist-upgraded a few days ago, fortunately I'm using xfce 4.1.9907:07
oikThe console is toast, but I can ssh in.07:07
socommoik: Keep going.07:07
socommoik: nVidia drivers by any chance?07:07
oikApparently my active ring isn't flushed (ooh-er)07:07
Kamion|QuaD-_: "at Canonical" doesn't have a meaning :-)07:07
oikaccording to /var/log/xorg.0.log07:07
Kamion|QuaD-_: we don't have offices07:07
Kamion|QuaD-_: (well, we do if you count Mark's house) - I'm at the conference07:08
oiksocomm: not nvidia, intel integrated video07:08
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socommoik: i81*07:08
oscarhoik, remove all x stuff and reinstall?07:08
oikOkey dokey...07:09
oscarhoik, do you have stuff on it that you really cant and will loose by a reinstall?07:09
socommoik: ummm oik I had a problem with my sisters laptop and the i815 chip, had to flash the bios to an older version to get things to work.07:09
oikoscarh: not really, but it's taken over 2 days to do the upgrade over dialup07:09
oikso I don't want to do it again !!!07:10
oscarhin my experience lots of things will break, esecially gnome and X, if you tweak your warty to much before going to hoary07:10
oscarhoik, diaup, horror!07:10
socommoik: You could always download a Hoary ISO ...07:10
oikis there any way to back out of the changes and go back to warty?07:11
|QuaD-_Kamion: oh i didn't realize :)07:11
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oiksocomm: what was the bios versions involved?07:11
oscarhsocomm,  download ISO on dialup?07:11
socommoik: An old Dell laptop, had to downgrade to an older bios since the newer versions fscked with X+Console.07:12
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oscarhsocomm, but did it work with warty?07:13
socommoscarh: It would take how long? One~two Days? Plus he would have the ISO if ever he needed to install or reinstall.07:13
mirakwhat must I do to use the ati driver with kernel 2.6.9 ?07:13
raphaHey all!07:13
mirakis just building the source package of the driver enough ?07:13
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raphaHas everybody already read http://www.userinstinct.com/viewpost.php?postid=gnome26review&page=1 ?07:13
socommoscarh: I know the bios worked with FreeBSD, but apparently not with GNU/Linux so I flashed it. I'm not saying this will work in your case, just a thought though.07:13
oscarhsocomm, just wanted to know..07:14
bronsonIs there any way to tell the kernel to use a subdirecotry as root?07:14
bronsoni.e. "root=/dev/hda1,/ubuntu"07:14
Hammihey guys07:14
Hammijoin www.ubuntu-forum.de07:14
oscarhbronson, why on earth?07:14
oscarhHammi, even if i don't know deuch07:14
socommbronson: chroot maybe?07:14
bronsonI'd like to boot 2 distros from the same partition.07:15
oscarhor german meybee07:15
bronsonProblem with chroot is it means modifying the initscripts.07:15
socommoscarh: Deutsch.07:15
Amaranthoh, i see07:15
bronsonIt seems like it should be easy...07:15
oscarhsocomm, i know, a guard came and asked for id, i paniked .)07:15
bronson2 unmodified distros on the same partition.07:15
socommbronson: You can keep all the partitions on a new distro. Just make home swap partitions.07:15
AmaranthUbuntu customized the GNOME menus but 2.9.2's new menu system undid all that07:15
|QuaD-_weird... my second harddrive isn't mounting :(07:16
bronsonsocomm: ??  not sure what you mean.07:16
oscarhbronson, you want the same root partition but diferent root?07:16
bronsonoscarh: exactly.07:16
socommbronson make your home and swap partitions indipendent, and have the two distros have seperate root partition.07:16
oscarhbronson, why?07:17
RuffianSoldierwhats the command to see what version something is?07:17
bronsonoscarh: so I don't have to repartition this disk.07:17
oscarhwhy not  split the partition in two?07:17
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oscarhbronson, i guess :)07:17
mirakwhat must I do to use the ati driver with kernel 2.6.9 ?07:17
mirakis just building the source package of the driver enough ?07:17
intinigdoes ubuntu have a gui apache2 conf tool?07:17
Hammicould someone edit the topic and add the german ubuntu-forum?07:17
socommRuffianSoldier: ALT+F1 then ALFT+F7 to get back to X.07:17
bronsonsocomm: Ah, yes.  True.  Repartitioning will fix this.07:17
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RuffianSoldiersocomm ...........07:18
oscarhbronson, i don't know how to do it, and i don't know if it's a good idea07:18
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socommbronson: You can't have both distros share the same root, because they both install different libs/utils/etc.07:18
bronsonsocomm: that's why each would use a subdir.07:19
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bronsonSame as swaproot, but at boot time.07:19
socommbronson: You can make their respective root partitions small though and just dedicate the rest to your /home partition.07:19
bronsontrue.  But that's a lot of surgery on an otherwise fine system.07:19
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bronsonOh well.  I guess it can't be done.07:20
bronsonThat's a shame.07:20
oscarhbronson, didn't say that..07:20
socommbronson: That's what I would do, but feel free to do it your way.07:20
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socommbronson: Anything *CAN* be done, somethings just take alittle more time+dedications than others.07:20
bronsonOK, true.07:20
bronsonOh well.  Guess it would require a kernel patch.07:21
bronsonThat's a shame.  :)07:21
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Morphalussince yesterday when i upgrade my warty for hoary, it breaks my gnome, removed shortcuts, menu in english (i'm french), and others shits...07:23
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oscarhit's funny, you always feel obligated to say hi before asking something  :)07:24
dddubuntu live seems to me need more resource especially memory..07:24
oscarhddd, it's a cd, it's slow :)07:24
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bronsonddd: and it uses a ramdisk.07:24
jdub_Morphalus: hoary is under very active development07:24
bob2Morphalus: yes, it's the development version07:24
oscarhddd, it needs to steal some ram to make a "ramdisk"07:24
jdub_Morphalus: it's currently using gnome upstream menus07:24
oscarhbronson, :)07:24
bob2Morphalus: please file bugs if no one else has07:24
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jdub_Morphalus: should be sorted out this weekend07:24
zAo^BrBoke; I have a broken package; what to do? I cant reinstall; remove is nog an option (ubuntu-base dependend)07:24
Morphalusyes i know but before 2 years ago the hoary dev was good07:24
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dddyes but maybe it'll need to add some tool for create swap on hd07:25
dddright i created manually07:25
Morphalusthere isn't a nautilus shortcuts :D07:25
dddright now i created manually07:25
oscarhddd, it should be able to to that07:25
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Morphaluscomputer, etc... : no07:25
zAo^how can I reinstall Gaim?07:26
dddoscarh, what is the tool?07:26
Gwildor|WorkMorphalus, it is being worked on......we are aware, should be fixed soon......just keep upgradeing, and by soon i mean a few days07:26
Morphalusok :)07:26
oscarhddd, dunno really, it asked me if i wanted a cach file when i rescued a old laptop with 64M ram using a ubuntu live cd07:26
oscarhhaven't tried the live cd since07:27
Gwildor|WorkMorphalus, i freaked too, i use xfce4 now, but when i borked that, i went back to gnome and was like WTF07:27
oscarhit makes some kind of knopix swapfile07:27
dddon knoppix there's07:27
Morphalusi've one thing to say : ubuntu is a good distro ;)07:27
Gwildor|Workyes it is07:27
Gwildor|Workglad you like07:28
socommUbuntu is all right.07:28
oscarhddd, called swap (or chach) .knopix or something07:28
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socommzAo^: apt-get install gaim07:28
Gwildor|Worki was thinking of trying out Archlinux, but my love for ubntu wont let me07:28
zAo^What happens when I remove ubuntu-desktop????07:28
bob2zAo^: nothing, directly07:29
Gwildor|WorkzAo^, go ahead............it is safe07:29
zerokarmaleftzAo^, nothing, it's a metapackage07:29
socommzAo^: That will reinstall gaim if there is a new version available.07:29
bob2zAo^: but it makes upgrades more complicated07:29
zAo^Oke, thanks all :)07:29
Morphalusnormally i use slackware, my prefered distro, but since i use ubuntu i'm convinced07:29
dddoscarh, nope it just came with 'mkswap' and 'swapon'07:29
oscarhddd, but that's for making a swap partition07:30
socommSlackware was a bit heavy last time I tried it. Could have been because of GNOME though.07:30
oscarhddd, it created a swapfile for me07:30
oscarhhang on07:30
dddyeah but of course we can make file swap with than tool too07:30
Morphaluswhen you tried slackware, what release was it ? (sorry for my english :))07:30
Gwildor|WorkMorphalus, english was fine :)07:31
socommMornHyland: 10.007:31
Morphalusbad TAB :p07:31
oscarhddd, go ahead then!07:32
socommMorphalus: Slackware 10.0 + Dropline.07:32
zenpodoscarh, I have that apt error for mplayer.. is there a flood channel I can paste it in, or something?07:32
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oscarhzenpod, /msg?07:32
Morphalusdropline is an entire system lol07:32
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socommMornHyland: I know.07:32
zenpodoscarh, pasted07:33
dddi thought it cause ubuntu based on morphix,on knoppix we can crete it auto :) (it's good for new comer:)07:33
socommDamn X^(07:33
zenpodoscarh, same error occurs with mplayer-586 too07:33
socommNot MornHyland.07:33
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Morphalusi know when you speak to MornHyland you speak to me :p07:33
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socommddd: You can create your own LiveCD, checkout slax they have a script there designed especially designed for that.07:34
oscarhddd, sorry, i don't really know, but i guess i can look into it in a minute or two07:34
RuffianSoldierbarn animal07:34
socommddd: Let me get a link for you.07:34
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Morphalusslack 10.0 is not heavy to use !07:35
hubI just upgraded from Debian/unstable to Ubunutu/Hoary07:35
hubin gnome, I no longer have workspace switching with ctrl-meta-arrow07:35
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hubwhy ?07:35
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socommMorphalus: Yes I know, GNOME was the more probable culprit.07:35
|QuaD-__hub: at least you have a working desktop :)07:36
derJuniorsomeone an idea for my problem? http://www.nopaste.info/?id=7907:36
|QuaD-__kde and gnome are fighting for a file on mine07:36
Morphalusi tried use dropline on a slack 10.0, bad result :( so i don't try now07:36
hubnever had KDE installed07:36
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|QuaD-__hub: me neither07:37
hubother than that, works fine07:37
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socommddd: http://www.linux-live.org/07:37
socommMornHyland: I understand.07:37
daniels(onjoin spamming)07:37
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socommGrrrrrrr. Morphalus, not MornHyland.07:37
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jdubthanks daniels07:37
danielsno worries07:37
danielsto share ...07:37
dddsocomm:one of reason I used ubuntu and debian cause they use gnome as default wm :)07:37
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mos__whats the format for a hosts entry?07:37
hubthe other problem is that the wirelss applet says "no wireless device"07:38
hubbut eth1 is available on my airport carfd07:38
hub(it has worked)07:38
RochaHow can I know the name of the distribution i'm running from the command line?07:38
socommddd: GNOME == DE. Metacity == WM.07:38
Morphalusthe force of slackware for me, it is a distro who i've an entire liberty, when i break the system, i go to back simply07:39
dddsocomm, OK :)07:39
RuffianSoldierHOw do I upgrade my dependencies to hoary07:39
RuffianSoldierI just want one app from hoary repos07:39
Morphalusapt-get dist-upgrade07:39
RuffianSoldierI dont want a whole upgrade07:39
billytwowillyisn't the guy who makes slackware really sick right now?07:40
RuffianSoldierI just want to snatch something from the repos07:40
|QuaD-__oddly enough if i try to remove kdelibs4, kdelibs-bin, or kdelibs-data it tries to remove gnome07:40
bob2RuffianSoldier: you can do that, but it's not supported and probably won't work at this point07:40
RuffianSoldierbob2 - Just getting something from the repos?07:40
socommMorphalus: You might like FreeBSD.07:40
socommRuffianSoldier: Huh?07:40
Morphalusto install the last beep media player i change repos to hoary and after install it i rechange repos to warty07:40
billytwowillyquad you're stuck in the same dependency hell I was.07:40
|QuaD-__billytwowilly: how did you fix it07:40
bob2how did you manage to get into 'dependency hell'?07:41
|QuaD-__bob2: i am in it now07:41
Morphalusand i tried to use freebsd but i had a problem, i don't forget what was the problem07:41
billytwowilly|QuaD-, let me make sure you are in the same situation I was first;) it's trying to remove gnome panel right? Because you had some kde stuff installed, it did an upgrade and failed?07:41
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Morphalusi don't forget = i forget :)07:41
dddsocomm, have u ever try that live-cd script?07:41
|QuaD-__apt-get remove kdelibs-bin also removes  gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-panel gnome-panel-data kdelibs-bin07:42
socommddd: No but I've tried the Freesbie script.07:42
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|QuaD-__thats not apt-get remove its aptitude remove07:42
billytwowilly|QuaD-, yah, you are in the same situation. It's because of the menus change.07:42
socommddd: I was thinking about building my own live-cd with emulators+roms but never had the hdd space to do it.07:43
|QuaD-__billytwowilly: if i remove the gnome panel, i lose all the icons i put on there though right?07:43
Morphalusbut the system of partitionning of freebsd is strange07:43
billytwowilly|QuaD-, I fixed it by going to command line and using dpkg -r --remove-all and individually deleting each of the conflicting kde packages.07:43
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billytwowilly|QuaD-, then I dist-upgraded and gnome fixed itself.07:43
socommMornHyland: Yes it's alittle different, but after awhile you'll get used to it.07:43
billytwowilly|QuaD-, It's a gigantic PITA.07:44
|QuaD-__billytwowilly: do you still have your customized panels from b4?07:44
Morphalusi will re read documentations about freebsd07:44
billytwowilly|QuaD-, the menus are completely screwed right now. They are gnome default. I still have my panels, but the applications and actions menu are totally different.07:44
socommMorphalus: Yeah, I think you'll like FreeBSD. The kernel  compilation is very easy, and the ports system is a joy to use.07:44
|QuaD-__billytwowilly: thats why i don't want to do anything yet07:45
zenpodis anyone else getting dependancy errors for mplayer-586 from merillat in warty?07:45
mos__zenpod: yeah07:45
billytwowilly|QuaD-, well, you can try to use it like it is, but it might be unstable...07:45
socommzenpod: I use mplayer-nogui.07:46
zenpodmos__, so basically, I will never be able to install mplayer in warty, since I don't think warty is about to have it's packages updated07:46
billytwowilly|QuaD-, what kde stuff do you have installed anyway?07:46
zenpodsocomm, same error for me with that07:46
|QuaD-__i don't think07:46
mos__zenpod: apparently they upgraded some dependancies and arent on that repo yet07:46
|QuaD-__i had somehting07:46
|QuaD-__i guess i never removed the libs07:46
zenpodmos__, yeah.  I have no idea what to do about it.07:46
billytwowilly|QuaD-, then just use dpkg to delete the kde stuff that is conflicting. You'll have to do that eventually anyway.07:47
zenpodmplayer-custom in multiverse crashes07:47
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zenpodso that's not an option07:47
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|QuaD-__billytwowilly: how do i make sure there are no dependencies that i am forgetting about07:47
mos__zenpod: well you could add more debian repos as universe but i advise against that07:47
billytwowilly|QuaD-, if you do an apt-get dist-upgrade it will tell you what is conflicting. Don't let it go through with it though.07:47
|QuaD-__before or after i remove the libs?07:48
zenpodmos__, so prettymuch anyone who doesn't already have mplayer installed is screwed?07:48
zenpodor has to compile from source?07:48
mos__zenpod: yeah pretty much07:48
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zenpodthat.. sucks.07:48
trans_errdoes the vnc server included in gnome include the java client?07:49
billytwowilly|QuaD-, apt-get dist-upgrade first, don't let it go through with it, note what kde stuff is conflicting, dpkg -r --force-all package name, then dist-upgrade again, note what that borked on the kde side, then dpkg -r --force-all those packages07:49
dddok think it's enough with test on livecd i'll reboot then :) conclusion:not too bad :)07:49
billytwowillyThen dist-upgrade again and let it go through. That should fix it.07:49
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scizzoseems like logitech x-flat keyboard works fine under ubuntu07:49
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mos__zenpod: i belive that there is an app to convert .rpms to .debs and i think mplayer has rpms you could get07:50
|QuaD-__billytwowilly: dist upgrade with a -f07:50
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artis it possible to transfer an iptables file saved under Mandrake Linux 10.1 with an "service iptables save" command to a freshly installed ubuntu Installation?07:50
billytwowilly|QuaD-, I don't know what the -f will do. Just don't let dist-upgrade actually go through with it until you get rid of the kde stuff.07:50
scizzomos__: you mean alien?07:50
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oikI've found a workaround for my b0rked x.org/hoary07:51
|QuaD-__without -f : gnome-panel: Depends: gnome-menus but it is not installed07:51
mos__i think thats what its called07:51
punkassthis isnt really a ubuntu releated question but:07:51
scizzomos__: alien can konvert rpms to debs07:51
joHello, I want to use free Java tools with Ubuntu. I already noticed that sable-vm can be used as a virtual machine. But which Java compiler should I use?07:51
punkassi have 24 mil line file and i want to get the last 3 mill lines out of it...what would be the best way?....i was going to try a tail -3000000 > newfile.txt07:51
oikshould I file a bug so that the workaround is enabled by default?07:51
billytwowilly|QuaD-, oh.. apt is already borken then... Do you remember what package the gnome-menus package conflicted with? I think it was kdelibs-data07:52
eruinwhats that program nano is based on / a clone of?07:52
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joeruin, pico07:52
eruincheers =)07:52
mos__jeeezus 24 million lines... thats a big file punkass07:52
socommeruin: pico, which is part of the pine email program.07:52
oikjo: isn't gcj the least buggy free java?07:52
jooik, but can gcj ouput .class files instead of native code?07:53
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Rene_SNo arabica is the least buggy, used to be Columbian but one too many bugs07:53
RuffianSoldierAnyone here use GDesklets?07:54
Rene_SI hear that Jamaican Bluemountain is good too but its really non-free07:54
jooik, oh ok, didn't know that. I have always used the Sun VM, but wanted to try the free tools too. Guess Mono's got an advantage here, since MS .NET isn't available for Linux while Sun's VM is. The classpath hackers certainly deserve some respect too ;-)07:55
punkassmos__: hehe yes it is07:55
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artanybody know where iptables saves its configs in ubuntu? the Directory it was located in Mandrake 10.1 doesnt exist in ubuntu07:55
oikjo: also look at jikes07:55
Rene_Sbillytwowilly, pick one and go with it.  I was doing coffee07:55
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jooik, I did try jikes, but it could't find the class library... Maybe gcj will automatically find the library :-) Damn I'm spoiled...07:56
Rene_SPoor actions menu, had to take one for the team this week eh ?07:57
RuffianSoldieranyone here use Gdesklets?07:59
zAo^can I just do a apt-get update; apt-get upgrade for hoarty? (ATI Radeon)07:59
oikjo: what are you using java for, as a matter of interest?07:59
Rene_Saww man toto. your screen shot got stuck half way and my wife hit me in the head, she thought the hut tops were nipples07:59
joto work on a program that started as a school project a few years ago... -> Developing :-)08:00
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|QuaD-__ToTo: you running gdesklets?08:01
jooik, I suppose most existing jdk-1.4 programs won't run with the free tools?08:01
ToTo|QuaD-, no08:01
oikjo: nope08:02
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|QuaD-__toto: what is the memory meter08:02
oikjo: not unless they were written specially to work with them08:02
defunktcan somone help me install an mp3 encoder so that i can rip cds to mp3s in sound juicer?08:02
|QuaD-__thats nice i like it08:02
jooik, such as Eclipse?08:02
mos__i need to go kill my isp....thier dns server is down08:02
PotajiTolol it really look like tow nipples xD08:02
oikjo: eclipse does work with gcj08:03
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oikbut it had a lot of effort put into making it work (mainly redhat). which is similar to being specially written, i suppose!08:04
eruinyay, my pretty host :)08:04
TibiaHateri removed evolution from ubuntu08:04