[12:00] <ermo> padlefot, certainly not the rest of #ubuntu :S
[12:00] <Q-collective> |trey|: now you did an LFS? wow, who didn't do an LFS these days :\
[12:00] <Q-collective> lol
[12:00] <f0rd> gah using LFS gonna make the 31337est distro ever
[12:00] <f0rd> it screws up the makefiles on purpose
[12:00] <f0rd> and puts binaries in random locations
[12:00] <padlefot> hehe
[12:00] <Q-collective> yes ofcourse
[12:00] <f0rd> and than you can use it and say you're elite
[12:00] <ViN86> |trey| i never said you were stupid
[12:00] <f0rd> all the debian users would go for it
[12:00] <Q-collective> it brakes to make things educational
[12:00] <Q-collective> :)
[12:00] <glauber_sp> hi! did anyone already have problem to insert quotes (simple and double) into java programs? I cannot insert " caracter, but only in java apps. I use gentoo, but I was told it happens to other distros. Can anyone help?
[12:01] <f0rd> my qotd from earyler
[12:01] <|trey|> f0rd, it puts everything where you tell it... slack is LFS but using what someone else configured  :/
[12:01] <ViN86> Q-collective; YEA! WELL I MADE MY OWN DISTRO CALLED VINWARE!
[12:01] <ViN86> HAH!
[12:01] <ViN86> ;)
[12:01] <Q-collective> lol
[12:01] <Q-collective> :P
[12:01] <Q-collective> Gentoo! :p
[12:01] <ViN86> hahaha
[12:02] <crevette> 'night
[12:02] <stellablack> ubuntu-italy exist?
[12:02] <f0rd> |trey| it was mainly a dig at debian users
[12:02] <Q-collective> glauber_sp: distro has nothing to do with java programming
[12:02] <Q-collective> lol
[12:02] <padlefot> how bout we mock Microsoft rather than fighting about who has the 31337est linux distro?..
[12:02] <padlefot> fu bill elns
[12:02] <padlefot> good night
[12:02] <f0rd> i use an lfs  based distro myself and it apwns gentoo
[12:02] <f0rd> pawns*
[12:02] <ViN86> padlefot: hahahaha good point
[12:02] <|trey|> f0rd, yopper? ahhaha
[12:03] <Q-collective> night padlefot
[12:03] <ViN86> lol
[12:03] <padlefot> see you folx =)
[12:03] <f0rd> uname[Linux h3knix 2.6.7-h3knix #11 Mon Nov 15 23:39:24 MST 2004 i686 AuthenticAMD unknown GNU/Linux] 
[12:03] <padlefot> *AW*
[12:03] <Q-collective> ViN86: already?
[12:03] <Q-collective> :P
[12:03] <ViN86> yea, its the old z100 model
[12:03] <Q-collective> ah
[12:03] <ViN86> only takes so much bullshit ;P
[12:03] <Q-collective> ;)
[12:04] <Q-collective> ey padlefot, long time man!
[12:04] <padlefot> hehe
[12:04] <padlefot> just found out i was too lame to read BitchX.doc
[12:04] <|trey|> f0rd, other then that you're not using a pre-compiled kernel... that means nothing  :/
[12:04] <|trey|> padlefot, bitchx is lame... IRSSI  8)
[12:04] <padlefot> hehe
[12:04] <padlefot> i can see what ur writing, cant i?
[12:04] <f0rd> |trey| custom init
[12:04] <Q-collective> |trey|: no saying you build your own LFS, that means something...
[12:04] <padlefot> :P
[12:05] <ViN86> and to think all this would have never started if my bro hadnt given me an ubuntu cd
[12:05] <ViN86> destiny? or chance? *creepy twilight zone music*
 i can see what ur writing, cant i? <-- yeah, it's a great invention, we like to call ir irc :)
[12:05] <arose> one line in apt.conf did it, thanks for the help
[12:05] <Q-collective> it*
[12:05] <padlefot> wow! its 2004 man
[12:05] <Q-collective> yeah
[12:05] <Q-collective> :P
[12:05] <padlefot> ;)
[12:06] <|trey|> Q-collective, I was saying that if you want the "Simplicity" of Slackware... you should just role yourself an LFS...  :/
[12:06] <f0rd> ViN86 you were given one to, my school admin like forced 5 in my bag
[12:06] <ViN86> f0rd: LOL
[12:06] <f0rd> "go give some to your friends"
[12:06] <f0rd> 'nah id rather not"
[12:06] <|trey|> f0rd, 'one *too*'...
[12:06] <arthur> when i go to full screen xine when playing dvd, it aborts with segfault
[12:06] <padlefot> We're having a LAN-Party in february, and are planning to give ubuntu CDs to about 600 persons..
[12:07] <padlefot> hope that'll boost the usage
[12:07] <ViN86> :o
[12:07] <|trey|> ViN86, not at all... just find certain common mistakes annoying  :/
[12:07] <arthur> dvd playback isn't good at all... tyhe images looks crap...
[12:08] <ViN86> well, ppl make simple mistakes all the time
[12:08] <ViN86> padlefot: wheres the lan party? which games?
[12:08] <padlefot> Trondheim, Norway..
[12:08] <ViN86> norway!
[12:08] <padlefot> donno, im Tech Help
[12:08] <padlefot> http://www.aulan.net :P
[12:09] <ViN86> you want to uuhhh, get me a uhhh, plane ticket?
[12:09] <ViN86> please?
[12:09] <ViN86> ;P nah, dont have the time
[12:09] <padlefot> hehe
[12:09] <arthur> what's the best dvd player available in ubuntu? with dvd menu suppot if possible
[12:10] <padlefot> xine
[12:10] <RuffianSoldier> hey ViN86 - I have the libs
[12:10] <ViN86> cool
[12:10] <RuffianSoldier> now what?
[12:10] <ViN86> RuffianSoldier: the source codes?
[12:10] <padlefot> arthur: xine
[12:10] <RuffianSoldier> I believe so
[12:10] <|trey|> padlefot, try Ogle... "DVD player with support for DVD menus"... sounds like what you want, no?  :P
[12:11] <|trey|> padlefot, meet apt-cache search.
[12:11] <padlefot> hehe..
[12:11] <arthur> padlefot, with xine i get segfault when switch to full screen
[12:11] <padlefot> kjss m
[12:11] <RuffianSoldier> ViN86?
[12:11] <arthur> padlefot, and the video isnt' good at all..
[12:11] <ViN86> RuffianSoldier: they tar.gz files?
[12:11] <padlefot> then listen to |trey|
[12:11] <padlefot> hes godlike, or something..
[12:11] <ViN86> ROFL
[12:11] <RuffianSoldier> ViN86, I downloaded no tar.gz files
[12:11] <bob2> what are you guys trying to do?
[12:11] <|trey|> padlefot, 8)
[12:11] <padlefot> :P
[12:11] <RuffianSoldier> ViN86 - I apt got them
[12:12] <ViN86> RuffianSoldier: k, are they installed?
[12:12] <|trey|> bob2, DVD playback with menu support and stuff...
[12:12] <billytwowilly> anyone upgrade hoary recently? Did the upgrade to the 2.6.9.1 kernel break anything?
[12:12] <padlefot> i really have to go to bed now guys!
[12:12] <bob2> so get xine nd libdvdcss
[12:12] <padlefot> see you'all around!
[12:12] <padlefot> *AW*
[12:12] <billytwowilly> also, what are the linux-restricted-modules-x86? It's been held back
[12:12] <|trey|> bob2, they were told that... apparently totem crashes on full screen  :/
[12:12] <bob2> ignore totem
[12:13] <bob2> billytwowilly: binary-only modules
[12:13] <arthur> bob2, gxine crashs too
[12:13] <billytwowilly> bob2, like, for example, the dribers for my ipw2200 wireless card?
[12:13] <bob2> billytwowilly: yes
[12:14] <|trey|> billytwowilly, its because linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-$ARCH hasn't been uploaded yet...
[12:14] <straterra> Ok, I'm back
[12:14] <billytwowilly> ok. I'll wait to upgrade then.
[12:14] <billytwowilly> Wait for tommorow I suppose.
[12:15] <bob2> hm, no
[12:15] <arthur> |trey|, with ogle i get a black screen
[12:15] <bob2> centrino drivers are in the kernel package itself
[12:15] <billytwowilly> heh. I said dribers... didn't notice.
[12:16] <|trey|> arthur, ogle-gui? never seen that  :/
[12:16] <billytwowilly> ok, well do I even need it then? I don't have mad wifi, I don't have nvidia, I have glrx, but it doesn't work
[12:16] <arthur> |trey|, yeah.. just sound from dvd
[12:20] <arthur> |trey|, vlc works!!
[12:21] <Q-collective> hehe
[12:22] <Q-collective> arthur: well, as soon as you have the /dev/dvd symlink (and vlc appears to make such a link when you install it), every mediaplayer will work
[12:22] <Q-collective> lol
[12:22] <Q-collective> :)
[12:23] <arthur> Q-collective, nope, i configured xine to /dev/hdc (my dvd) and xine crashs when go to full screen... with ogle i just get sound
[12:23] <arthur> Q-collective, AFAIK these problems nothing seem to be with broken link... ;)
[12:24] <Q-collective> arthur: lol
[12:24] <Q-collective> arthur: well, afaik, xine and vlc use the same libs in the dvd area
[12:25] <tm17h> Upgrade to hoary and my menus got rearranged -- anyone know if there is an intentional shift away from Ubuntu's awesome Application/Computer menu back to the GNOME default?
[12:25] <|QuaD-_> tm17h: my menus in hoary don't work :O
[12:25] <arthur> Q-collective, i think this is true, cause dvd playback seems to be identical in twos, but i don't like to see dvd without full screen
[12:26] <catdog> tm17h: ^topic^
[12:26] <tm17h> |QuaD-_: Bummer.
[12:26] <catdog> :)
[12:26] <|QuaD-_> tm17h: if you updated recently, yours probably wont
[12:27] <tm17h> catdog: is this a faq then or did I miss what you meant by topic?
[12:28] <catdog> tm17h: Well, the channel topic has 'Yes the actions menu is getting fixed' at the end, which i believe is referring to the brokenness of hoary :)
[12:28] <tm17h> catdog: Jeez -- even with the hint I couldn't rtft :)
[12:28] <|QuaD-_> catdog: what stinks is that because of the conference, i doubt that any work is being done currently :(
[12:28] <sittisal> hi!
[12:28] <sittisal> is there a channel dedicated to ubuntu 64?
[12:29] <catdog> |QuaD-_: Well, hoary is accurately labelled as unstable...
[12:29] <|QuaD-_> catdog: i know :)
[12:29] <|QuaD-_> i am not complaining
[12:29] <|QuaD-_> i understand
[12:29] <catdog> :)
[12:29] <|QuaD-_> i am just saying its horrible timing
[12:31] <catdog> Well, yeah. I wouldn't know though. I'm too scaredy-cat to run hoary ;)
[12:31] <catdog> |QuaD-^
[12:32] <|QuaD-_> catdog: i ran debian unstable for years, i don't htink it EVER broke on me
[12:32] <|QuaD-_> i think i am learning my lesson with ubuntu
[12:32] <arthur> dvd playback with vlc, xine, don't look good... i get something like "horizontal lines" in output... maybe my video-card?
[12:33] <Q-collective> arthur: could be
[12:33] <arthur> i have an Nvidia Geforce4, with nvidia driver. but when i include Load "glx" in my XF86Config X won't work, could be that? (i'm running withou glx loaded)
[12:33] <Q-collective> arthur: what card do you have?
[12:33] <Q-collective> ah
[12:33] <Q-collective> huh?
[12:34] <Q-collective> you have the nvidia drivcers installed?
[12:34] <Q-collective> -c
[12:34] <arthur> Q-collective, yeah
[12:34] <Q-collective> hmm
[12:34] <Q-collective> weird
[12:35] <arthur> Q-collective, "working" with nvidia driver X work's (i get nvia screen when running X, etc)... but when i include Load "glx" in modules section, it won't work
[12:35] <catdog> |Quad-_: Well I guess debian unstable is inaccurately labelled ;)
[12:36] <Q-collective> arthur: then don't use glx
[12:36] <Q-collective> :+
[12:36] <|QuaD-_> catdog: i think ti is
[12:36] <arthur> Q-collective, yeah, i'm not using that, but could be this the "problem" with dvd's?
[12:36] <sgood1971> Anyone know how to disable touchpad tapping? I tried changing /etc/default/tpconfig options to "--tapmode=0" and even set reset to "True" but it's not doing anything.
[12:37] <Q-collective> arthur: don't think so
[12:39] <arthur> Q-collective, ok, that's not a problkema at all.. since i have and "real dvd-player" at room... :D
[12:40] <Q-collective> arthur: lol
[12:40] <Q-collective> :P
[12:41] <RuffianSoldier> how can I make a desktop shortcut for a program on a normal user - but make it open as root?
[12:41] <RuffianSoldier> specifically xine
[12:41] <Q-collective> what DE?
[12:41] <Q-collective> oh
[12:41] <Q-collective> hmm
[12:41] <arthur> RuffianSoldier, try gksudo program
[12:41] <RuffianSoldier> Gnome
[12:41] <Q-collective> why would you want to open xine as root?
[12:41] <RuffianSoldier> so it will work lol
[12:41] <Q-collective> RuffianSoldier??
[12:42] <RuffianSoldier> gksudo xine
[12:42] <RuffianSoldier> like taht?'\
[12:42] <arthur> RuffianSoldier, yeah
[12:42] <arthur> but, again, why u want this?
[12:42] <Q-collective> RuffianSoldier: it won't work as user?
[12:42] <RuffianSoldier> Its set up not to
[12:42] <RuffianSoldier> dont worry about it
[12:43] <Q-collective> I do worry about it
[12:43] <RuffianSoldier> LOL!
[12:43] <RuffianSoldier> gtg
[12:43] <Q-collective> running user apps as root is not good
[12:43] <RuffianSoldier> I dont care
[12:43] <RuffianSoldier> i do what I wana
[12:43] <Q-collective> ...
[12:43] <Q-collective> ok, here's a hint
[12:43] <Q-collective> get back to windows
[12:44] <RuffianSoldier> NO!
[12:44] <RuffianSoldier> I STOPPED WITH WINDOWS
[12:44] <arthur> RuffianSoldier, running normal program as super user is too windows-ish
[12:45] <sgood1971> Does anyone know how to turn off touchpad tapping???
[12:45] <Q-collective> sgood1971: first of all: what is touchpad tapping?
[12:46] <Kosai> sgood1971: You have a synaptics touchpad?  See <http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/>.
[12:46] <JStrike> RuffianSoldier : And typing in capitals is not considered good form
[12:46] <sgood1971> Q-collective: on my laptop it is like tap to click on the touchpad
[12:46] <defunkt> can someone help me figure out how to install nvidia drivers on ubuntu, please?
[12:46] <sgood1971> Kosai: Thanks, I will look now.
[12:47] <defunkt> or at least provide a direct link to a site that explains it
[12:47] <arthur> defunkt, there's an "topic" in wiki explaining that
[12:47] <Kosai> defunkt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:48] <defunkt> oh, rad.  thank you
[12:48] <Q-collective> or just read the manual @ nvidia.com
[12:48] <Q-collective> ;)
[12:49] <defunkt> heh
[12:50] <defunkt> one other thing, i want to be able to get 1280x1024 resolution
[12:50] <defunkt> max i get right now is 1024x768
[12:50] <defunkt> i remember having to do something to enable 1280 but i can't remember waht it was
[12:51] <usual> hi calc
[12:51] <usual> hi Kosai
[12:51] <usual> defunkt, refresh rates?
[12:51] <usual> horiz and vert rates
[12:52] <defunkt> no, it wasn't that
[12:52] <mirak> PAN
[12:52] <defunkt> i had to manually change it but i can't remember how
[12:52] <mirak> who use the news reader PAN ?
[12:52] <mirak> this crap is hogging whnen sending a message
[12:52] <mirak> it looks nice despite this
[12:52] <usual> defunkt, those owuld have to be manually changed if it wasn't autodetected, mine isn't
[12:53] <usual> http://news.com.com/Photo+AMDs+249+computer/2009-1026_3-5423164.html?tag=nl
[12:53] <defunkt> ok
[12:53] <ogra> defunkt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  ?
[12:54] <defunkt> ogra: thx i'll give that a shot
[12:54] <defunkt> sounds familiar
[12:54] <ogra> defunkt: if its not enough, try adding -plow after dpkg-reconfigure to this line
[12:55] <defunkt> ogra, ty! you were right!
[12:56] <ogra> :)
[12:58] <Q-collective> hey there cd, burner is here aswell
[12:58] <Q-collective> :)
[12:59] <cd> now really? (:
[12:59] <Q-collective> ok, bad joke :P
[01:00] <burner> heh
[01:00] <burner> yep, sure was ;)
[01:00] <Q-collective> :)
[01:06] <skaffen> when updating my package lists the connections get reset all the time so i have to repeat the procedure about 10 times in order to get all the package lists. Is this a known issue or is there something wrong at my end?
[01:06] <Stuttergart> I've not seen this behavior.
[01:06] <Stuttergart> Perhaps there is a problem with your network?
[01:06] <skaffen> hmm, might be due to the university firewall
[01:07] <Stuttergart> you know how to use a sniffer?
[01:07] <skaffen> never used one
[01:07] <Rene_S> Yeah I hook him up to a leash and walk him
[01:07] <Rene_S> ehehehhehe
[01:07] <Rene_S> I crack myself up
[01:07] <skaffen> har har
[01:09] <mirak> there is a bug with gnome-menus
[01:09] <TermDark> hi all.. i'm having a problem with apt - my school's proxy blocks the Packages.gz file from universe, but can't scan .bz2 files, is there any to make it use the .bz2 file for apt?
[01:10] <Stuttergart> can you hit the proxy admin with a cluebat?
[01:10] <mirak> what the force option n dpkg ?
[01:10] <mirak> in
[01:10] <TermDark> not possible.. done from the county, nothing to do with anyone remotely local
[01:10] <TermDark> i'm afraid.. and there's not even a whitelisting request service
[01:16] <wombat_> how do i install the plugins on firefox
[01:17] <geppy> wombat_:  Click on them;  they should install themselves, pretty much.
[01:17] <geppy> wombat_:  Which plugins, in particular?
[01:17] <ficusplanet> Does anyone know how to play dvf files (from a voice recorder) in Linux?
[01:17] <wombat_> Yeah thats how it worked on the other comp but not this one
[01:17] <wombat_> Im trying to put flash on it
[01:19] <|Arioch|> Could someone give me a hand setting my NTFS drive so that the default user can access it.  The only way I can get to it now is through root.
[01:21] <Deft> does anyone know how to make Evo integrate IMAP folders properly like Thunderbird does?
[01:21] <catdog> |Arioch| Have you put 'user' in the options bit of fstab?
[01:22] <Stuttergart> Deft: what exactly does Tbird do that Evo does not?
[01:22] <|Arioch|> catdog, yes.  I have the options... ro, user, noauto
[01:23] <Deft> Stuttergart, all my mail is in a folder called "Mail" on the server; in thunderbird the mail folders inside are shown top level, not under Mail/, which means it naturally uses the correct Trash folder etc
[01:23] <Stuttergart> oh
[01:23] <Stuttergart> y, heh, the INBOX thing
[01:23] <Stuttergart> that behavior seems to differ based on the client and IMAP server in use.
[01:24] <Deft> well, INBOX is .mailbox, so actually that's fine
[01:24] <catdog> |Arioch| Ah, i think you need to put in uid=xxx,gid=xxx. do less /etc/passwd to find out what the uid and gid are of your the user you want.
[01:24] <catdog> That'll make root mount it so that user/group has ownership of it. Or something like that.
[01:25] <thoreauputic> catdog: actually just typing `  id ` will give that ifo
[01:25] <Deft> also, can Evo use a real trash folder?
[01:25] <thoreauputic> *info
[01:25] <catdog> thoreauputic: of course :) I couldn't remember the command (too complex for me, you see)
[01:26] <thoreauputic> catdog: yeah, it's a real brain twister  hehe :)
[01:27] <WebMaven> Hey, I just discovered that the Ubuntu mailing lists are morrirred on GMANE. Cool!
[01:27] <WebMaven> mirrored.
[01:28] <|Arioch|> Ok, I have the uid and gid.  Do I put those under options?
[01:28] <|Arioch|> In fstab that is.
[01:28] <arthur> there's a way to install hoarty directly, withou installing warty, and then switching to hoarty?
[01:28] <catdog> |Arioch|, yup 'uid=xxxx,gid=xxxx' along with the rest.
[01:29] <|QuaD-_> arthur: don't install hoary
[01:29] <|QuaD-_> its currently broken
[01:31] <AndyR> lo ppl
[01:31] <|Arioch|> Awesome... thanks catdog!
[01:32] <catdog> |Arioch| np
[01:32] <AndyR> whats the right way to setup a dialup networking connection?
[01:33] <AndyR> ive only ever used kppp before
[01:34] <arthur> |QuaD-_, why it's broken now?
[01:34] <Nivlem> Using dd to back up something...does it default to creating the backup in the directory where the user currently resides?
[01:35] <thoreauputic> AndyR: you can set it up from command line using  ' sudo pppconfig '   - then you can connect with 'pon '  and disconnect with ' poff '
[01:35] <|QuaD-_> arthur: gnome menu problem
[01:35] <AndyR> thoreauputic, thank you
[01:35] <thoreauputic> AndyR: sudo pppconfig   walks you through the config - it isn't hard
[01:35] <Deft> hoary has quite a lot of bad packages actually, gaim isn't good for one, Evo is unpredictable, gnome-system-tools is only partly usable
[01:35] <thoreauputic> AndyR:  you're welcome
[01:36] <arthur> |QuaD-_, hmm... ok, when it get fixed, there's a way to install the way i said before?
[01:36] <arthur> Deft, i think i don't wanna hoary now then.. ;)
[01:38] <P47|LL0> hi people
[01:38] <Deft> arthur, good call, it has some nice features, but I'd rather be using warty now if it wasn't so hard to go back
[01:40] <arthur> Deft, i guess i'll give it a try...
[01:56] <kent> AndyR, did you configure the modem?
[01:57] <kent> AndyR, becaus using Computer -> system configuration -> network     is a better way i think. Its easy, and its a GUI.
[01:58] <AndyR> kent, i set it to ttyS0 but then it trys /dev/modem for some reason
[01:59] <thoreauputic> /dev/modem should just be a symlink to /dev/ttyS0 or whatever
[02:01] <jon1012> hi :)
[02:04] <AndyR> how do i check to see where the symlink is pointing to?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> AndyR: ls -l /dev/modem
[02:04] <beb0s> hi people
[02:05] <speel> hi
[02:05] <jon1012> hi :)
[02:06] <speel> man dont you just hate it when you manualy have to add things to the gnome menu
[02:06] <thoreauputic> AndyR: if it points to the wrong place, you can remove the symlink ( rm /dev/modem ) , then set a new one like ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem
[02:06] <Deft> speel, that shouldn't happen in the future, once everyone does things to freedesktop way
[02:07] <speel> i sureh ope so :)
[02:07] <speel> sure hope so*
[02:07] <beb0s> yes, we've to wait ...
[02:07] <speel> lol
[02:09] <Q-collective> Deft: yeah, everyone will do it the freedesktop way @ Gnome 4.0 :P
[02:09] <speel> thats like .. years away
[02:09] <Q-collective> lol
[02:09] <crevette> hello
[02:09] <Deft> Q-collective, until then we just have to use only gnome apps, easy!
[02:09] <jon1012> lool
[02:09] <Q-collective> Deft: nah, konq just pwns nautilus :P
[02:10] <Deft> Q-collective, bah, can't stand konq, too much stuff
[02:10] <gen> konq blows
[02:10] <Q-collective> there really should be a gtk+ port of it
[02:10] <Deft> Q-collective, although the last one I used flickered horribly, which put me off even more
[02:11] <Q-collective> heh
[02:11] <thoreauputic> rox filer ruleZ !! ;)
[02:11] <Q-collective> never had much trouble with flickering tbh
[02:11] <Q-collective> rox is way too minimal for my feeling :P
[02:11] <Q-collective> enlightenment is yuck, as is emelfm2
[02:11] <Q-collective> lol
[02:12] <grumbel> question for those with a bit linux/debian experience, is it worth for a long time debian unstable user to switch to ubuntu or are there any special features missing in ubuntu that one would miss (incompatibilty to inofficial debs or whatever)?
[02:12] <thoreauputic> Q-collective: well, I mostly use locate, find, cat and mv ;)
[02:13] <Deft> grumbel, it depends on how well you have your system configured, I used sid for a long time, and never managed to get a desktop nearly as well integrated as stock ubuntu
[02:13] <Q-collective> thoreauputic: so true, but konq is a bit more clear in some cases :)
[02:13] <beb0s> grumbel, i can't answer jet ... i'm just upgrading from sid to hoary
[02:13] <beb0s> :-)
[02:14] <thoreauputic> Q-collective: I had the flicker problem with konq too, but I'm quite happy with fluxbox and rox filer :)
[02:14] <Q-collective> :)
[02:14] <decklin> grumbel: i've been with deb for ~5 years, just installed ubuntu on two laptops this week. nothing has bit me yet.
[02:15] <Nivlem> What does the -count=10 do using a dd command? info dd and man dd don't show what this is for?
[02:16] <decklin> Nivlem: you sure? "count=BLOCKS              copy only BLOCKS input blocks"
[02:17] <Nivlem> decklin: I am trying to make sure what I am doing with this command...I have to convert my iPod from HFS+ journaled to vfat to let it work under Linux PPC...
[02:17] <Nivlem> That is what the web page says to do.
[02:18] <grumbel> other question, how do I configure sound under ubuntu? there isn't any central tool like yast, right? neither could I find alsaconf
[02:19] <grumbel> ubuntu itself seems to have loaded the right modules, but I get /dev/dsp: no such device errors
[02:19] <Nivlem> However I do not want to follow blindly the instructions without making sure...do you know if I do wipe the partitioning and such if all should fail if I can restore the iPod by booting into OS X and running the ipod updater?
[02:19] <grumbel> and 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp1' doesn't provide a sound either
[02:19] <Q-collective> /dev/dsp perhaps?
[02:19] <Nivlem> grumbel: I just used the default volume control under the applications menu
[02:19] <crevette> grumbel: the sound is not muted
[02:19] <crevette> ?
[02:20] <Q-collective> oh yeah
[02:20] <Q-collective> unmute it with gnome-alsa-manager
[02:20] <Q-collective> :)
[02:20] <Nivlem> That has to be installed with apt-get
[02:20] <crevette> Is somebody has an iPod here ?
[02:20] <Q-collective> Nivlem: then you install it
[02:21] <grumbel> crevette: good hint, that fixed it, already unmuted and tweaked all the other 20 controlls that gnome-alsa-mixer provides, but forgot the master one :)
[02:21] <Nivlem> Q-collective: Follow the thread man...I am telling the person asking the question
[02:21] <Nivlem> crevette: I am setting up my iPod
[02:22] <grumbel> nother issue is that /dev/dsp is actually my tvcard, my soundcard is at /dev/dsp1, how can I swap them?
[02:22] <jon1012> tiens une crevette en eaux douces lol
[02:23] <crevette> Nivlem: does it is mounted automatically under /media/iPod ?
[02:23] <Nivlem> crevette: No with Warty on my mac it doesn't
[02:23] <Q-collective> Nivlem: then you tell this person to install it and check for it, what's the problem?
[02:23] <Nivlem> Although it is recognized...I have 3 firewire devices so the iPod is at /dev/sdb3
[02:24] <crevette> Nivlem: mine was mounted under /mdeia/iPod/ when the FS was hfsplus, since I formatted in vfat under win32 with the tool provided by apple, the iPod is mount under /mdedia/usbdisk ou /media/sda2
[02:24] <Nivlem> Q-collective: No problem...I was just letting you know that I WAS replying to them...
[02:25] <Q-collective> k
[02:25] <Q-collective> :)
[02:25] <crevette> So I wanted to know why the mount point whanged with the FS and how the mount point was determined ?
[02:25] <Nivlem> crevette: Dunno why udev and or hotplug changed it...I know that HFS+ journaled isn't supported other than read write...
[02:25] <Nivlem> crevette: I mean read only
[02:26] <crevette> Nivlem: hum no mine was mounted in RW
[02:26] <crevette> except a lock I had
[02:26] <Nivlem> crevette: interesting...my firewire drive says it is read write..till you try to copy something to it..had the same issue with the firewire drive...it is mis-leading
[02:28] <Nivlem> crevette: That pretty much renders it useless under linux...only thing I can find it to re-partition using dosfstools or whatever and then letting it go..thanks for the information though..since it will more than likely change my device as well
[02:28] <Gmail> OMG
[02:28] <crevette> Nivlem: the Firewire bus support under Linux is crappy
[02:28] <Gmail> the following umount AGAIN  /home, /boot
[02:29] <Gmail> thanks G-d it wasn't /
[02:29] <Gmail> my system wound of crashed again
[02:29] <Q-collective> ?
[02:30] <|QuaD-_> Gmail: whats with your umounts?
[02:31] <|QuaD-_> i hear about them daily
[02:31] <|Arioch|> Could someone tell me how to add a launcher to the Gnome menu.
[02:32] <Gmail> |QuaD-: i don't know
[02:32] <Gmail> howto stop it?
[02:32] <crevette> |Arioch|: warty or hoary
[02:32] <Gmail> i have no idea why everything umounts it self
[02:32] <|Arioch|> warty
[02:32] <crevette> |Arioch|: ctrl + L, enter "application://"
[02:34] <|Arioch|> ctrl + L does nothing.
[02:34] <crevette> hum that shorcut was buggy in 2.8
[02:34] <|Arioch|> I added Beep Media Player and I wanted to put it in the Multimedia menu.
[02:35] <crevette> |Arioch|: make appears the location bar in nautilus and type application://
[02:35] <jon1012> anyone here using latex on ubuntu ?
[02:35] <Q-collective> hmm
[02:35] <Q-collective> I really should use it
[02:35] <Q-collective> latex that is :)
[02:36] <Q-collective> just never had any problems with OOo and such
[02:36] <Q-collective> :P
[02:36] <jon1012> lol
[02:37] <jon1012> I use it and i really love it :)
[02:37] <|Arioch|> crevette, I don't understand what you said.
[02:37] <Quest-Master> What is Latex?
[02:37] <jon1012> A system to make documents
[02:38] <Q-collective> Quest-Master: a way of wordprocessing
[02:38] <jon1012> A really good systeme to make documents I should say :p
[02:38] <Q-collective> nice with formulas and such
[02:38] <jon1012> and with presentation etc...
[02:39] <|Arioch|> crevette, nevermind... I found it.
[02:39] <crevette> |Arioch|: right click a folder in nautilus and select Browse
[02:39] <crevette> ok
[02:39] <jon1012> it makes perfect documents that will make everybody who will look at to say "wow what a good document" lol
[02:39] <|Arioch|> Thanks
[02:39] <grumbel> Quest-Master: a 'word-processor' for writing scientific books/papers, think of some kind of html, just completly different syntax
[02:39] <Q-collective> lol
[02:39] <jon1012> not only scientific/technic
[02:39] <Q-collective> something like that
[02:40] <jon1012> I use it for eveyrthing, also for letters lol :p
[02:40] <Q-collective> lol
[02:40] <jon1012> (I had some A at high-school thank to latex lol)
 and with presentation etc... <-- yeah, powerpoint stole the latex idea :P
[02:40] <grumbel> jon1012: not really, most people I know will just they, 'bah, sucky default latex style again', since default latex style is really not that cute compared to more customized styles
[02:41] <jon1012> lol, in france people don't know latex :|
[02:41] <Q-collective> hehe
[02:42] <YokoZar> Hey, please test out my wine packages (better/newer than ones included in universe): http://www.winehq.org/site/download
[02:42] <jon1012> do you know where i can find good latex templates and styles ?
[02:45] <Q-collective> YokoZar: that is the default download page?
[02:45] <jdodson> ola
[02:45] <Q-collective> hi jdodson
[02:46] <jdodson> i have a problem with ubuntu.
[02:47] <Q-collective> ideologically?
[02:47] <Q-collective> :)
[02:47] <Xenguy> heh
[02:47] <jdodson> no my problem is ubuntu is so great i dont ever use windows anymore.
[02:47] <Q-collective> cool
[02:47] <Rene_S> Hurray another convert
[02:47] <jdodson> HA!
[02:47] <Q-collective> now that's my type of problem
[02:47] <jdodson> it is great.
[02:48] <jdodson> that was a joke, but i dont use windows anymore.
[02:48] <Rene_S> Now place your coffee on the Windows CD and become a true member of the brother/sisterhood of the enlightened
[02:48] <Q-collective> as a result, I'm still using it ;)
[02:48] <jdodson> i gave away my office cds already.
[02:48] <Q-collective> :)
[02:48] <Rene_S> I use them to practice my darts with
[02:48] <jdodson> been using gnu/linux for like 5 years or so.
[02:48] <jdodson> HA!
[02:48] <Q-collective> heh
[02:49] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S!
[02:49] <Rene_S> I stick the hole on the 20 and off I go
[02:49] <Tsjoklat> pm me!
[02:49] <jdodson> sweet.
[02:49] <Rene_S> sounds kinky
[02:49] <Q-collective> hehe
 pm me! <-- pm you? what an ego... pm him! ;)
[02:49] <jdodson> started out i just wanted to get "legit" so i dumped my pirated windows stuff, got openoffice, went downhill from there, or should i say uphill.
[02:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> Night folks
[02:49] <Q-collective> night
[02:49] <jdodson> later.
[02:50] <Tsjoklat> Q-collective I am a girl.. I can demand whatever I want
[02:50] <Q-collective> you came online, just to tell us that?
[02:50] <Q-collective> how thoughtfull of you _|Imanewbie|_
[02:50] <Q-collective> Tsjoklat: point taken
[02:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> Guys how can I open th port for bittorrent on ubuntu
[02:51] <crimsun> it's ok, boys can demand whatever they want, too
[02:51] <Tsjoklat> crimsun but they don't get bitch at for doing so.. that's the differance
[02:52] <huwr> Nice.
[02:52] <Deft> _|Imanewbie|_, you shouldn't need to do anything
[02:52] <huwr> Is that like Jethro Tull? :P
[02:53] <_|Imanewbie|_> Deft: I get low status cause people can't direct connect me
[02:54] <Q-collective> 'low status'? I thought there wasn't such a thing in torrentland?
[02:55] <Deft> _|Imanewbie|_, ubuntu doesn't have any firewall by default, are you behind a router or something?
[02:55] <crimsun> _|Imanewbie|_: you need to forward the port from your router
[02:55] <crimsun> _|Imanewbie|_: ubuntu does not use any iptables rules by default
[02:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> crimsun: can you help me out?
[02:56] <crimsun> _|Imanewbie|_: use your router's management web page to forward the port
[02:56] <crimsun> _|Imanewbie|_: your isp should provide a link to documentation on their support web site
[02:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> crimsun: I'm trying to access it BUT it has some problems with non IE browsers
[02:57] <_|Imanewbie|_> crimsun: I cant acess it =/
[02:58] <YokoZar> Q-collective: what do you mean default download page?  It's the official wine one, if that's what you mean.
[02:58] <_|Imanewbie|_> I will try lynx
[02:58] <_|Imanewbie|_> I will try dillo first
[02:58] <billytwowilly> iptables is what I'd want to mess with to change routing around right?
[02:59] <Tsjoklat> got your probs fixed billytwowilly?
[02:59] <billytwowilly> Tsjoklat, depends what probs you are referring to;)
[02:59] <YokoZar> Q-collective: The packages in Debian that creep into Ubuntu Universe aren't maintained or supported by the wine developers, and they're outdated.  But because of Debian's social system (where they give complete control over packages to maintainers until they relinquish them), we can't really do anything about it except provide better packages.  These may become the official ubuntu ones (if not the debian ones), if they test well.
[02:59] <Q-collective> YokoZar: yes, but you said and I quote "better/newer than ones included in universe" in there
[02:59] <Q-collective> ah
[03:00] <Q-collective> kk :)
[03:00] <Tsjoklat> billytwowilly your upgrade issues
[03:00] <YokoZar> For a bunch of free software fanatics the debian developers are remarkably conservative with package changes :)
[03:00] <_|Imanewbie|_> Dammmmmmm
[03:00] <billytwowilly> Tsjoklat, oh yah, I fixed that. now I'm trying to find decent documentation on how to mess with routing.
[03:00] <_|Imanewbie|_> I cant acess the crap
[03:00] <jdodson> yokozar: its that whole stability thing i guess:)
[03:01] <Q-collective> lol
[03:01] <YokoZar> jdodson: Problem is, the old wine packages were breaking things.
[03:01] <__learner__> is there any way to listen to winamp radios under linux?
[03:01] <Q-collective> how old are the current debian packages?
[03:01] <__learner__> and to run radios from internet pages.
[03:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> Anyone here has a d-link 500g?
[03:02] <Q-collective> __learner__: xmms, beep, xine, mplayer, vlc, etc etc
[03:02] <jdodson> yokozar: ah.   well they seem OK for me, or at least the ubuntu ones that is.
[03:03] <YokoZar> Q-collective: 4 months, at least (wine is updated monthly).  And, they're also worse packages in general (not every wine file is included in the right place, they're split up too much so that apps will fail because they can't find a program they expect since it's in another sub package, etc.)
[03:03] <jdodson> __learner_: ya, i used totem or realplayer, you can use xmms too.
[03:03] <Gmail> :(
[03:03] <__learner__> xine can play them?
[03:03] <Q-collective> sure
[03:04] <Gmail> guess what umounted
[03:04] <Q-collective> jdodson: realplayer can play them?
[03:04] <Q-collective> nice
[03:04] <Gmail> |QuaD-: this will be easy for you
[03:04] <__learner__> I'll try xine.
 the following umount AGAIN  /home, /boot
[03:04] <__learner__> do you recommend XMMS over Xine?
[03:05] <_|Imanewbie|_> crimsun: okay I'm there wich port should I open?
[03:05] <Q-collective> __learner__: xmms is a leightweighted, audio-only player, xine can play video aswell
[03:05] <Gmail> Q-collective: this time
[03:05] <Gmail> Q-collective: this time it was /
[03:05] <Q-collective> :)
[03:05] <Q-collective> Gmail: what are you doing anyway?
[03:05] <zenpod> xmms is very winamp-ish, also, if you use Nvidia drivers, be sure to install libmikmod2 if you use xmms
[03:06] <Q-collective> xmms is very winamp2-ish *
[03:06] <__learner__> Xine is always giving erros messages in my system. I'm thinking about choosing another player because of that. It also can't play fullscreen here. It closes when I try.
[03:06] <crimsun> _|Imanewbie|_: 6881/tcp incoming
[03:06] <Q-collective> __learner__: what kind of errors?
[03:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> Bit tornado uses a port range from 10k till 60k I dont want to open all up
[03:07] <crimsun> _|Imanewbie|_: then open up 10000/tcp incoming
[03:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> crimsun: are you running ubuntu? wich torrent client do you use?
[03:08] <crimsun> _|Imanewbie|_: btdownloadcurses, the curses-based command line one
[03:09] <Q-collective> heh
[03:09] <Quest-Master> Anybody here have a Linksys router?
[03:09] <__learner__> I'll post them here, wait just a minute
[03:09] <zenpod> Quest-Master, at work, I have several.
[03:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> crimsun: I use the samething here
[03:09] <scoon> Quest-Master, I do
[03:10] <scoon> have a linksys router
[03:10] <_|Imanewbie|_> crimsun: but here I check the gui in btdownaloadgui and I see a port range not a single port
[03:10] <Quest-Master> Do you know what to do to let torrents run perfectly fine?
[03:10] <Quest-Master> Azureus says I have a NAT problem
[03:11] <zenpod> Quest-Master, they ought to just work.  Try bittornado.
[03:11] <__learner__> xine engine failed to start: no input plugin found
[03:11] <zenpod> __learner__, what are you trying to watch?
[03:11] <Quest-Master> :( Azureus > BitTornado
[03:11] <_|Imanewbie|_> Quest-Master: you prolly with the sameproblem as me
[03:11] <Quest-Master> I get normal Download Rates though
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Like, sometimes 300KBps
[03:11] <zenpod> Quest-Master, I couldn't say, I've never used Azureus.
[03:11] <__learner__> any radio that's in the menu
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Azureus is the thing.
[03:11] <__learner__> in the xine menu
[03:11] <Quest-Master> You need to try it.
[03:12] <_|Imanewbie|_> crimsun: what about my port range ? =p
[03:12] <moquist_> archive.ubuntu.com down?  my apt-update can't connect.
[03:12] <scoon> Quest-Master, whatever port you have set up for azereus make certain that port gets forwarded to your box on the router.
[03:12] <zenpod> __learner__, online radio? eh, I use xmms for that, but make sure you've installed all the stuff from Multi/Universe for playing mp3.
[03:12] <scoon> Quest-Master, i use all static ip's here at home
[03:12] <crimsun> moquist_: alive here
[03:13] <zenpod> oh crap, right, I need to change my IP
[03:13] <zenpod> heh
[03:13] <zenpod> thanks for reminding me, scoon
[03:13] <moquist_> crimsun: hrm.  k, thx.  :(
[03:13] <scoon> zenpod, yea, np
[03:15] <_|Imanewbie|_> crimsun: I cant find how to add it
[03:15] <zenpod> anyone running BIND on ubuntu?
[03:15] <__learner__> when I try the winamp radios I get the same message
[03:16] <__learner__> What are those things, I didin't get anything from universe and multiverse
[03:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> any suggestions?
[03:17] <zenpod> __learner__, http://www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:20] <nyu> hello
[03:20] <zenpod> Moo.
[03:20] <nyu> anyone in the meeting in mataro around?
[03:21] <nyu> i'm going there tomorrow and have a question
[03:21] <nyu> which kind of inet access there?
[03:22] <__learner__> tx a lot!
[03:22] <__learner__> I installed Gstramer Plugins
[03:22] <__learner__> Gstreamer
[03:24] <zenpod> __learner__, np
[03:25] <__learner__> same error.
[03:26] <zenpod> __learner__, install totem-xine
[03:26] <__learner__> I installed the plugins, But gXine does't seem to know how to work with the .pls file.
[03:26] <Q-collective> weird
[03:26] <__learner__> Should I install Totem? Is that better?
[03:27] <zenpod> Q-collective, installing totem-xine installs a bunch of libs though, sounds like he may be missing some
[03:28] <Q-collective> zenpod: oh, probably
[03:31] <__learner__> should I uninstall Gxine, since I'm installing Totem?
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> _learner_ no need to
[03:31] <stuNNed> what about gxine plugin?
[03:32] <socomm> __learner__: Only if you're tight on HDD space.
[03:32] <__learner__> I installed totem-gstreamer.
[03:32] <__learner__> no, it's Ok. But I think those are both GUI's to the same program aren't they?
[03:36] <__learner__> didin't worked...
[03:36] <stuNNed> anyone running ubuntu x64?
[03:37] <__learner__> I'm installing totem-xine
[03:37] <socomm> I prefer totem-xine, over the gstreamer version.
[03:40] <socomm> Anyone know a good mod to ogg/mp3 converter?
[03:40] <__learner__> it worked Thanks a lot!
[03:40] <__learner__> the gstreamer was not working, I installed totem-xine, and it is working great. Thnaks a lot
[03:41] <socomm> __learner__: Cool, have fun.
[03:41] <__learner__> Can I add playlist support to totem somehow?
[03:41] <__learner__> If Linux could run my games, than I would never open Windows anymore!
[03:41] <__learner__> that's the only reason for having linux in my desktop.
[03:42] <__learner__> tx alot. this community is really cool. Aways helps me when I need.
[03:42] <__learner__> Hope to don't need so many help some day!
[03:42] <jdong> how's everyone here doin ?
[03:42] <socomm> __learner__: WineX
[03:42] <Quest-Master> Is their a Quicktime plugin for Firefox besides MPlayer?
[03:43] <socomm> Quest-Master: Negative.
[03:43] <Quest-Master> That really blows.
[03:43] <Quest-Master> They need a Xine or Totem plugin for it.
[03:43] <socomm> Quest-Master: Unless you wanna use openQt or something, which blows and sucks at the same time.
[03:43] <zenpod> Quest-Master, mplayer-nogui works just fine
[03:43] <zenpod> embeds nicely
[03:43] <zenpod> install w32codecs
[03:43] <zenpod> wheee
[03:44] <zenpod> mozilla-mplayer + mplayer-nogui, that is
[03:45] <socomm> I don't think it would be too hard for Apple to port QuickTime over to GNU/Linux/*BSD since MacOS-X is based on BSD.
[03:46] <socomm> They even have a x86 build for Microsofts Operating System.
[03:46] <zenpod> socomm, 90% market share kinda convinced them
[03:47] <zenpod> go forth and evangelise Linux.
[03:47] <Quest-Master> I can't touch MPlayer.
[03:47] <socomm> zenpod: An online petition might be in order. :^)
[03:47] <Quest-Master> It broke my apt-get for a few days.. now that's horrible :(
[03:47] <Rene_S> In the beginning there was DOS, and the world was Dark and Grey
[03:47] <socomm> zenpod: Hell, it worked to get the FreeBSD nVidia drivers.
[03:48] <Rene_S> then upon the land appeared the light, its name is Linux
[03:48] <zenpod> AMEN BROTHER
[03:48] <zenpod> ;)
[03:48] <Rene_S> So let it be written, so Let it be Done
[03:48] <Tsjoklat> *yawn*
[03:48] <socomm> Linux can't do much, with out the GNU in front of it.
[03:48] <Tsjoklat> :P
[03:48] <Rene_S> Watched the 10 commandments once too often
[03:49] <Tsjoklat> hewo thoreauputic
[03:49] <zenpod> socomm, personally, I prefer the BSD licence to the GPL, but shhh, don't tell ;)
[03:50] <socomm> zenpod: I'm talking bout the software not the .... license, but yes you're right BSD is alot more user/business friendly.
[03:50] <crimsun> (2-clause BSD)
[03:50] <geppy> zenpod: Blasphemy!  =P
[03:50] <zenpod> geppy, that's my job! :D
[03:51] <geppy> hahahaha  =)
[03:56] <riley> i just recently configured my Ubuntu system for samba, and it was working for awhile, but now it seems to be going only one way...  and it's not just samba... when I ping the Ubuntu system's host name from the other system, it says that the host name is unknown...  Would anybody happen to know why this might be happening?
[03:57] <kent> if i want a script to run on every boot, should i just copy it to /etc/init.d/?
[03:59] <zenpod> kent, well, I don't recommend copying it to autoexec.bat ;)
[04:00] <jdodson> can someone help me with building a package from source.
[04:00] <zenpod> install build-essentials :D
[04:01] <Rene_S> Hey why are people talking about non-ubuntu related things, fill out a bug report
[04:01] <Rene_S> hehehehe
[04:01] <kent> zenpod, but will that make it work? im not sure if it does, and want to make ddclient work if i reboot.
[04:01] <jdodson> did that already.  i need to get the librsvg dev package and it says it cannot resolve the dependices.
[04:13] <Quest-Master> How would I go around installing this? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=18669&vote=good&tan=49969198
[04:14] <Rene_S> Quest-Master, first reinstall Ubuntu in Polish
[04:14] <Rene_S> hehe
[04:15] <jdodson> quest: i will install it then let you know.
[04:15] <Rene_S> jdodson, dont be installing Ubuntu in Polish
[04:15] <Rene_S> i was only kidding
[04:17] <jdodson> quest: i wasnt able to.
[04:18] <geppy> I know that this isn't the proper venue for this questions, but...  How would one go about learning GTK+?
[04:18] <jdodson> do a websearch for a gtk+ howto.
[04:18] <Rene_S> School, i find that school works
[04:19] <Rene_S> I am sure there is a GTK+ channel someplace
[04:19] <Rene_S> that would be a good resource as well
[04:20] <Rene_S> You can check out your local Chapters/Indigo ours has tons of Linux related books
[04:20] <Rene_S> I usually go in there and read em and take notes
[04:20] <zenpod> I have no local chapters.
[04:21] <geppy> I know that I have one, but I don't have access to my car, at the moment.
[04:21] <Rene_S> Indigo ?  Coles ?
[04:21] <jdodson> later.
[04:21] <Rene_S> I like chapters just to read in
[04:21] <crimsun> geppy: gtk.org has good tutorials
[04:21] <crimsun> geppy: though if you're more looking to jump in, I recommend Glade
[04:22] <Rene_S> I look in used book stores too but live near the University of Waterloo, Comp Science heaven there
[04:22] <geppy> crimsun:  Alright, thanks!  =D
[04:22] <crimsun> geppy: and there are Gtk language bindings for nearly every popular language there
[04:22] <crimsun> geppy: same w/ language bindings and Glade
[04:23] <geppy> danke!
[04:29] <Quest-Master> :o
[04:30] <Quest-Master> How can the theme not work?
[04:32] <Rene_S> not sure
[04:32] <Rene_S> I am gonna check it now
[04:33] <dead> anyone running fluxbox ?
[04:35] <Quest-Master> :(
[04:35] <Quest-Master> None of the themes from Gnome-Look install for me.
[04:36] <umarmung> Quest-Master, first you should check that the themes really end up in ~/.themes or ~/.icons
[04:36] <Rene_S> i untarred it
[04:36] <Rene_S> then went into desktop preferences -- themes
[04:37] <Rene_S> then did an install theme and pointed to where i downloaded it
[04:37] <Quest-Master> I did too
[04:37] <Rene_S> then restarted the theme module
[04:37] <Rene_S> i went through all 3 section
[04:37] <Rene_S> s
[04:37] <Rene_S> did a install theme on all of em
[04:37] <Quest-Master> :o worked.
[04:37] <Rene_S> using the same index.theme
[04:38] <Quest-Master> Hm
[04:39] <Quest-Master> Now to install the Icon Set
[04:39] <umarmung> untar it to ~/.icons
[04:41] <Quest-Master> Woo, the new themes are cool
[04:46] <Triple5|Ubuntu> Hello
[04:46] <Triple5|Ubuntu> how do I know if I'm using hoary, theres a command to type but I Forgot
[04:46] <JDahl> Is there a problem with X in Hoary? after last nights update I only the background screen after I start X - no gnome or terminals
[04:47] <JDahl> startx is the same... essentially does the same as 'X' except I get a background. It looks like .xinitrc is not read or something
[04:50] <Solon> Hey guys, got a slight problem, I'm using Hoary, and for some reason I cannot network with the two WinXP machines at all, I changed my workgroup to the same as theirs, they can see mine, but I can't see them, nor can I access shares, obviously. I do have Samba.
[04:51] <carthik> hey dudes, can someone help with understanding why my eth0 (wireless) device is "not found" sometimes after I start up the laptop?
[04:52] <carthik> or better still, how I can make it find the device after I have logged in? any magic commands for the n00b
[05:07] <junglebunny> hello. i am trying to dist-upgrade and it is telling me that gnome-panel has unmet dependencies
[05:07] <junglebunny> such as libdatacenter3 and libecal3
[05:08] <junglebunny> i believe they are part of the evolution package
[05:08] <gpled> ./mozilla-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:08] <gpled> looks like libgtk is in ubuntu. any ideas?
[05:08] <umarmung> gpled, gtk-1.x installed?
[05:08] <zenpod> libgtk2 may be
[05:09] <crimsun> use Synaptic to install libgtk1.2
[05:09] <crimsun> or sudo aptitude install libgtk1.2
[05:09] <junglebunny> or sudo apt-get
[05:09] <gpled> libgtk2.0
[05:10] <crimsun> note that the installer is looking for the old version, GTK 1.2, not GTK 2.x
[05:16] <gpled> crimsun: thanks
[05:24] <JDahl> quit
[05:24] <_scp> riddle me this, batman.... why does my machine all of the sudden lock my (empty) cdrom drives closed and hang about 2 minutes after I try to eject using the buttons on the front?
[05:27] <RuffianSoldier> Im using Xine for DVDs - and of course the audio decodes a bit faster than the video - anyway I can delay the audio so its more syncronized?
[05:34] <Gmail> when ever i gksudo a program it use some wirod theme for gtk+ its not the theme root is using and also not my theme
[05:35] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[05:40] <prak> i got sound working on my laptop with ubuntu the first time i logged in. but since then... it doesn't work.
[05:40] <RuffianSoldier> Im using Xine for DVDs - and of course the audio decodes a bit faster than the video - anyway I can delay the audio so its more syncronized?
[05:40] <joshua__> something is seriously borked with my system... i have warty and hoary installed on two different partitions, when i installed warty after hoary it messed with grub and now i can't seem to configure grub properly to see my hoary installation
[05:41] <RuffianSoldier> strangeness times 10
[05:41] <prak> i have nothing in dmesg abt sound except this: intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 49641 usecs
[05:41] <prak> intel8x0: clocking to 48000
[05:41] <JDahl> I get some weird errors in .xsession-errors when I start X:  Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1.. X never comes up completely. Anyone has an idea what that's about?
[05:41] <prak> could anyone suggest what may be missing
[05:42] <JDahl> on Hoary that is
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> RuffianSoldier, did you try the + or - keys
[05:44] <RuffianSoldier> someone jsut told me
[05:44] <RuffianSoldier> in #linuxhelp
[05:44] <RuffianSoldier> same thing
[05:44] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[05:44] <RuffianSoldier> thank
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> np
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> RuffianSoldier, did you also setup hdparm
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> that helps a great deal
[05:44] <RuffianSoldier> hdparm?
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> sets HD DMA on
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> and faster drive access modes
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> but use with care
[05:45] <RuffianSoldier> if its a risk - im not willing to take it
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> but DMA should be on on newer systems
[05:46] <RuffianSoldier> this system is brandnew
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> i have not had any problems with it over 3 years
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> with multiple distros
[05:46] <RuffianSoldier> 3
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:46] <RuffianSoldier> 1 being installed right now lol
[05:46] <RuffianSoldier> just got it today
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> i have 6 on my other work laptop
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> congrats
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> got our packs yesterday too
[05:47] <RuffianSoldier> i have another HD with Ubuntu im gonna put in
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> nice kits
[05:47] <RuffianSoldier> so pressing - or + in Xine might helP?
[05:47] <alka_trash> anyone running hoary?
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> something like that ...let me check
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> here is hdparm stuff
[05:48] <thully> yes
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html
[05:48] <alka_trash> my usb devices stopped working today, strangeness, I'm thinking it's because of the latest upgrade. Oh well, waiting for the next upgrade
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> alka_trash, all of them?
[05:49] <alka_trash> yep
[05:49] <alka_trash> really strange
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> ouch
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:49] <alka_trash> I have to grab a ps2 mouse
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> i have seen fat32 usb devices get lost clusters, but that is odd
[05:50] <alka_trash> my little usb hub doesn't light up anymore :(\
[05:50] <RuffianSoldier> :-(
[05:50] <WiFiTux> Hi, how do I install the kernel-development or the sources that came with my distro?
[05:50] <joshua__> grub is completely borked... it cant find something that exists
[05:50] <carthik> Hey guys, where can I get the source for the kernel 2.6.8.1-3-686
[05:50] <carthik> hi WiFiTux
[05:50] <WiFiTux> haha
[05:51] <joshua__> grub cannot seem to see /dev/hda4 which from what i can tell corresponds to root (hd0,3)
[05:52] <joshua__> any clues?
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> thinking
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> i fixed mine last week
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> but that laptop with 6 distros is at work
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> and it has 2 ubuntus
[05:53] <joshua__> yea... thats how my system is now
[05:53] <joshua__> with two ubuntus
[05:53] <thully> what - hoary+warty?
[05:53] <joshua__> yea
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:54] <carthik> Hey guys, where can I get the source for the kernel 2.6.8.1-3-686 ? I need it badly :)
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> suse 9.1, 9.2, slack10, mdk 10.1
[05:54] <joshua__> when i installed warty after hoary on a different partition grub got screwed up and now i cant get into hoary, can't find the kernel images
[05:54] <carthik> do I need to add a debian repository to soures.list or something?
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> carthik, looking
[05:54] <carthik> thanks nomasteryoda:)
[05:54] <joshua__> when looking in /boot it automatically looks on /dev/hda5 (my warty parition)
[05:54] <joshua__> even if i specify the root of (hd0,3)
[05:55] <carthik> nomasteryoda i have scoured synaptic already...
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:56] <thoreauputic> can someone type my nick? trying to configure some colours in xchat ...
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> thoreauputic,
[05:56] <carthik> thoreauputic,
[05:56] <thoreauputic> nomasteryoda,carthic, thanks
[05:57] <carthik> thoreauputik, 'salright
[05:57] <carthik> ;)
[05:57] <joshua__> so nomasteryoda, any ideas on my little problem? i just use warty to do one thing
[05:58] <carthik> so, do you think I will have a problem if I get the kernel from a non-ubuntu repository? (since I can't find it there)? Any expert comments ;) ?
[05:58] <ivar> q: is there a(n easy) way to upgrade the firefox in warty without committing to hoary ?
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> one boot parition?
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> ivar, use the download from mozilla.org worked or me
[05:58] <JDahl> noone else are having troubles with X in Hoary? I can start 'X', but neither startx or gdm will complete a startup
[05:59] <crimsun> JDahl: works fine here.
[05:59] <joshua__> nomasteryoda, no... warty is on /dev/hda5 and hoary is on /dev/hda4... the roots are (hd0,3) and (hd,4) respectively
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> JDahl, did you rerun the dpkg video setup?
[05:59] <crimsun> JDahl: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a paste web site
[05:59] <carthik> ivar, I cheated, I changed warty to hoary in the sources.list, updated (NOT upgraded) then I upgraded firefox, hurried back and changed hoary to warty
[06:00] <geppy> JDahl: X works fine for me.  =)
[06:00] <ivar> nomasteryoda, duh. I didn't even think of that.. but I like carthik's idea better
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:00] <JDahl> crimsun: I am in console mode... but I get a weird output in .xsession-error ('X' itself comes up fine, so does the gdm chooser - it is the xsession that seems to hang)
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> maybe a lock file in your home?
[06:01] <ivar> carthik, that won't mess anything up will it ? I'm too green with package managers to take risks..
[06:01] <GoldeNArC> hello all
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> hey
[06:01] <crimsun> sup
[06:01] <prak> anyone know why sound would work on first time boot but not after... in warty?
[06:01] <GoldeNArC> forgive me.  i'm a ubuntu newbie
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> congrats man
[06:01] <GoldeNArC> linux newbie to (prolly not what yall want to here)
[06:01] <carthik> ivar, try something silly then, update an app you don't use often, for practice, if you will, but it worked for me, ne'ertheless
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> yea we take them all
[06:01] <GoldeNArC> well.  this is a fresh install
[06:01] <JDahl> gnome-message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1
[06:02] <crimsun> prak: check `lsmod' output
[06:02] <GoldeNArC> is there anything I should be doing off the bat?
[06:02] <crimsun> prak: what sound chipset do you use?
[06:02] <JDahl> I dont know if that's related
[06:02] <crimsun> GoldeNArC: is it installed?
[06:02] <joshua__> bah... i want to get back into hoary
[06:02] <GoldeNArC> crimmy: yes
[06:02] <GoldeNArC> o
[06:02] <GoldeNArC> im using it now
[06:02] <prak> crimsun: lsmod seems to have loaded all ncessary modules
[06:02] <crimsun> GoldeNArC: just open Synaptic and Refresh, then update the packages that have available updates
[06:03] <prak> snd_ac97_codec, snd, soundcore.. and lot of other snd_* modules
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> GoldeNArC, in terminal
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> sudo synaptic
[06:03] <carthik> GoldeNArC, if it's a fresh ubuntu, check out the howtos in the forum (esp. the multimedia one) to see how you can play all sort of video file formats
[06:03] <humbo> If I press a gtk button ubuntu has that drum sound. This is fine. however in totem if I pause a movie and then want to play it again it tries to play the drum sound - because I clicked on the button - and play the movies sound at the same time. The drum sound comes out first so totem can't get access to the sound device to continue playing the video. I usually have to exit totem and open the video again, then drag the slider to where I was bef
[06:03] <GoldeNArC> crimmy: it gave me that option before it completed install to do updates.  I did them.
[06:03] <humbo> For a quick fix I've tried to remove the drum sound in sound preferences, but can't work out how to remove it other than disabling all system sounds
[06:04] <geppy> humbo: Have you tried using the keyboard shortcuts?
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> GoldeNArC, good
[06:04] <geppy> humbo:  I'll agree that that's insanely annoying, and should be looked into.
[06:04] <crimsun> prak: what does running `alsamixer' do?
[06:04] <humbo> What's the play/pause shortcut?
[06:05] <GoldeNArC> crimmy: if your recall what we talked about previous.  is it my best best to just put this HD in my windows box and using pqmagic?
[06:05] <geppy> humbo:  I don't use Totem, so I can't say for sure, but try 'z', 'x', 'c', 'v', and the spacebar... the usual suspects.  If those don't work, look into the help?
[06:05] <JDahl> well, I can run a failsafe session from gdm, so I am not completely screwed
[06:05] <GoldeNArC> best = bet
[06:05] <prak> crimsun: it does show me all the meters...
[06:05] <crimsun> GoldeNArC: do you have free HD space at least the size of your NTFS partition?
[06:05] <prak> i have played with them...
[06:05] <prak> ... but to no avail
[06:05] <GoldeNArC> the full size.. no but I could change the partition size within windows .. then I would
[06:06] <crimsun> prak: what precisely is wrong? Do sound applications block or "hang?" Are your mixer sliders increased and unmuted ('m')?
[06:06] <crimsun> GoldeNArC: did you set up lvm during the install process?
[06:07] <abah> anybody here using mldonkey in ubuntu?
[06:07] <geppy> humbo:  P is play/pause
[06:07] <humbo> Ah, it's "p". Thanks for the help geppy.
[06:07] <GoldeNArC> crimmy: no.
[06:07] <geppy> heh, no problem.  =)
[06:07] <geppy> humbo:  good luck.  =)
[06:07] <orc3n> whois pengo
[06:07] <farruinn> prak, is esd running?
[06:07] <orc3n> oops
[06:07] <prak> crimsun: sound apps all seem to work.. and playing etc... but there is just no sound.. .even on logon etc... all these worked when i booted first time.. so i am wondering if something got loaded then.. and not now..
[06:07] <prak> farruinn.. should esd run?
[06:08] <prak> i thought alsa is sufficient
[06:08] <farruinn> esd is the sound daemon, so generally yes
[06:08] <prak> lemme see
[06:08] <crimsun> GoldeNArC: well, you could shrink the NTFS partition, then create a new ext3 partition
[06:08] <farruinn> however I've run into apps that *don't* produce sound when esd is running =/
[06:08] <crimsun> prak: you said nothing is muted? paste the output of `amixer' on a web site, please.
[06:09] <GoldeNArC> crimmy.. will i be using lvm through the terminal?
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> carthik, did you look on ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[06:09] <prak> esd is running.. crimsun... yes, nothing is muted
[06:10] <carthik> nomasteryoda, yes I did, no mention of any sort there
[06:10] <prak> i will try to post this somewhere...
[06:10] <carthik> maybe I will try the mail list later
[06:10] <thoreauputic> er... can someone type my nick again?
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> thoreauputic,
[06:10] <trans_err> how can I prevent agpgart from starting?
[06:10] <thoreauputic> hehe... OK it isn't working...thanks anyway
[06:11] <GoldeNArC> ok.. it appears lvm is not installed
[06:11] <carthik> nomasteryoda, essentially I was trying to upgrade to the latest ipw2100 module, but I will have to wait, not too sure i can use the debian repo source. Thanks for trying anyways, gotta run along now, see you later.
[06:11] <GoldeNArC> this is were I get lost. were do I get it? and how do I install it
[06:11] <joshua__> ok i give up
[06:12] <prak> crimsun... sorry.. no website i can immediately use.. any thing i should look for specifically?
[06:12] <crimsun> GoldeNArC: it's not necessary; it may make life a bit easier later, but it's not necessary.
[06:12] <GoldeNArC> ok.
[06:12] <crimsun> GoldeNArC: just use partitionmagic in windows to shrink the size of the ntfs partition
[06:12] <crimsun> GoldeNArC: then move the HD back over and create a ext3 partition. Then copy your files over. We'll walk you through the copying part.
[06:13] <GoldeNArC> crimmy should I create a ext3 part within pqmagic or within linux?
[06:14] <crimsun> you need free space to create an ext3 partition
[06:14] <crimsun> so you need to shrink the NTFS partition first
[06:14] <joshua__> oh my grub is borked... would it be bad to run off the warty kernel images in hoary?
[06:15] <GoldeNArC> yes. that'll be easy, so once done shrinking should I put the hd back in this box then create the ext3 partition
[06:15] <crimsun> joshua__: not at all. I'm doing that now.
[06:16] <joshua__> crimsun, ok, because i can't get grub to find my hoary kernel images on my hoary paritition... it keeps looking for them on the warty partition
[06:16] <GoldeNArC> brb
[06:16] <Despair> Anyone getting crashes on start of gnome-control-center in hoary? (complains about missing /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libvfolder-desktop.so)
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> joshua__, i remember booting with the ubuntu bootable cd then modifiying the grub file to match
[06:16] <joshua__> nomasteryoda, i can get into warty just fine, so i can edit grub to point to the right place
[06:17] <joshua__> nomasteryoda, im telling grub to look in the correct place, its just getting lost
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> obviously that doesn't make sense, but yea... i got strangeness with 2 ubuntus
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> man i wish i had that system here
[06:20] <Amroc> lamont......
[06:20] <joshua__> correct me if im wrong... but the correct root location for /dev/hda4 is (hd0,3)
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> no, thats right
[06:20] <prak> crimsun... and others.. got it to work. i patiently went through each setting in alsa... thanks..
[06:21] <crimsun> good to hear.
[06:21] <prak> so i have been using sid for a whole year.. or more.. got a shining new warty installed on my laptop moments back
[06:21] <prak> its a great leap for lnx..
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> wow
[06:22] <joshua__> hehe
[06:22] <joshua__> way to go mike001
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> joshua__, so yours looks like
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-686 root=/dev/hda4 ro quiet splash apm=off acpi=on
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-686
[06:24] <Amroc> lamont, why dont you come to jujistu anymore?
[06:24] <joshua__> well minus the apm and acpi
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> yea i dumped those too
[06:24] <joshua__> and before that root (hd0,3)
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:24] <joshua__> makes no sense
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> and the other one has similar
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> (hd0,x)
[06:25] <joshua__> yea
[06:25] <joshua__> same exact format
[06:25] <zenwhen> how would one add a cdrom as an apt source
[06:28] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: apt-cdrom - but it would need to be a compatible CD - what are you trying to do?
[06:28] <zenwhen> I installed form the preview iso
[06:29] <zenwhen> wanted to update from the oficcial
[06:29] <zenwhen> official*
[06:30] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: well, you can try apt-cdrom add, but I'm not sure if the format would be supported or not - worth a try I guess
[06:30] <smo> the official releases should be, the the most that can go wrong is that it'll complain it can't find any indexes
[06:31] <zenwhen> oh
[06:31] <zenwhen> ok
[06:31] <thoreauputic> smo: yes, it just *won't co-operate* <grin>
[06:31] <zenwhen> Ill just keep what I have then
[06:31] <zenwhen> Its running great
[06:31] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: well, as they say, if it ain't broke...
[06:32] <Tsjoklat> hey thoreauputic
[06:33] <thoreauputic> hi :)
[06:33] <CardinalSin> morning. Does anybody know if there is a gui to manage run levels? I have a client who i've just moved over to Ubuntu and they have no CLI experience. main function is to start and stop apache2.
[06:33] <Tsjoklat> how are you thoreauputic.. long time no speak
[06:34] <CardinalSin> I am training him in the basics, but he is very nervous.
[06:35] <thoreauputic> I'm fine... having trouble remembering who you are - to be frank ;)
[06:35] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: ^^
[06:36] <joshua__> is it possible to point grub to load a kernel image on a different partition than the rest of the stuff?
[06:36] <joshua__> do you think it would make a difference if grub was located on a floppy?
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> joshua__,  look down near bottom http://mandrakeusers.org/lofiversion/index.php/t20242.html
[06:39] <joshua__> nomasteroyda: ooh... so thats that format "title" then "kernel (hdx,x)/boot
[06:39] <joshua__> nomasteryoda, ill try that
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> that should work
[06:39] <joshua__> nomasteryoda, thanks
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> glad google is around
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:40] <joshua__> brb
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> yup
[06:43] <joshua__> ok this is seriously f'd up
[06:45] <joshua__> nomasteryoda, didn't work
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> sorry man
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> can you open a new dialog and paste the menu.lst?
[06:50] <z4k4ri4> anybody here using hoary?
[06:51] <Tsjoklat> we are all on Suse z4k4ri4
[06:52] <joshua__> Tsjoklat, don't make fun of the poor kid
[06:52] <joshua__> ;-)
[06:52] <lil_anthony> anyone know how to get flashmedia to play sound i have the flashplugin-nonfree installed the media plays but i get no sound
[06:52] <Tsjoklat> joshua_ :P
[06:53] <jiyuu0> lil_anthony, try flashplayer-mozilla
[06:53] <lil_anthony> ok let me try thanks
[06:54] <JDahl> crimsun: what seemed to lock gnome during start was that gnome-menus was not installed - there was a dependecy conflict with kdelibs+friends.. after I unstalled them and installed gnome-menus everything is fine
[06:54] <jmhodges> hola
[06:55] <z4k4ri4> how many meg are daily hoary update?
[06:57] <z4k4ri4> on average
[06:58] <lil_anthony> jiyuu0: does it install the plugin in the /usr/bin/mozilla/plugins dir as libflashplayer.so?
[06:58] <jiyuu0> yub
[06:58] <jiyuu0> think so...
[06:58] <lil_anthony> ok just making sure i had the right links setup
[06:59] <lil_anthony> let me try
[06:59] <bur[n] er> with firefox, it hsould just prompt you to install it
[06:59] <lil_anthony> hmm i ran apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla then go to the flash page now i nolonger get anything it says stopped
[07:00] <GotD0t> nomasteryoda: this is joshua__ from hoary, yay... but he feels really stupid now
[07:00] <bur[n] er> go to www.cartoonnetwork.com
[07:00] <bur[n] er> see if it worked
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:00] <bur[n] er> seriously, it's my flash tester ;)
[07:00] <lil_anthony> ok
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> it's ok
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> glad to help
[07:01] <GotD0t> thanks nomasteryoda
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> loading line at a time in xchat allowed slower reading
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> yup
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> welcome
[07:01] <GotD0t> nah... im convinced im dyslexic
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> or lacking sleep
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> like me
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> going to hit the hay
[07:02] <GotD0t> combination of the two
[07:02] <lil_anthony> hmm i'm a checkin tryign to find something that i knwo would have sound
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> later all
[07:03] <CardinalSin> cheers nomasteryoda.
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> chairs
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> greeting till next time
[07:03] <CardinalSin> :)
[07:04] <lil_anthony> hmm it doesn't appear to work it starts then stops
[07:07] <jmhodges> anyone here know how well the Wacom tablets are supported?
[07:08] <jmhodges> im debating whether to buy a tablet pc or an ibm t41 with a wacom..
[07:08] <lil_anthony> i get visual but no audio still
[07:09] <lil_anthony> there is not a place to tell it to use alsa?
[07:12] <lil_anthony> does dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-browser work for firefox too?
[07:13] <dirtydawg> ok..
[07:13] <GoldeNArX> the parts are all done up
[07:14] <GoldeNArX> what shall I do now?
[07:15] <farruinn> was there a pre-warty release?
[07:16] <GoldeNArX> anyone around?
[07:17] <GoldeNArX> crimsun: you around?
[07:17] <GotD0t> nobody but us fleas
[07:17] <GoldeNArX> I make a good flea
[07:19] <GoldeNArX> ok.. well
[07:19] <GoldeNArX> I gotta mount this hd.
[07:19] <GoldeNArX> not sure how
[07:20] <Agrajag> well what is it
[07:20] <GoldeNArX> a hard drive
[07:20] <GoldeNArX> hehe.. 160gb
[07:21] <topyli> GoldeNArX: yes? what's on the disk?
[07:21] <GoldeNArX> mp3s mostly
[07:21] <GoldeNArX> its a long process.  i resized the ntfs partition to make an ext3 partition
[07:22] <GoldeNArX> so I need to mount the drive to copy over the mp3s from the ntfs partition
[07:22] <Newbie04> Hello, anyone know how to install ubuntu 64 on an Athlon 64 (Soltek mb) with a SATA hd ?
[07:22] <GoldeNArX> then remove the ntfs partition and ad another ext3
[07:22] <GotD0t> GoldeNArX: i hope you're trying to mount the individual partitions, and not the "drive"
[07:22] <topyli> GoldeNArX: and how are you failing to do that?
[07:22] <GoldeNArX> i dont know how to mount
[07:23] <GotD0t> GoldeNArX: oh... hehe
[07:23] <topyli> GoldeNArX: that can make it difficult, yes :)
[07:23] <GoldeNArX> hehe
[07:23] <GoldeNArX> how do I go about this. (new to linux)
[07:24] <topyli> GoldeNArX: is it the only drive you have, or a second one?
[07:24] <GoldeNArX> 2nd drive
[07:24] <GotD0t> topyli: you take it, i have to study for an essay
[07:24] <GotD0t> err
[07:24] <topyli> GotD0t: ok, we'll manage
[07:24] <GotD0t> exam rather
[07:24] <topyli> GoldeNArX: ubuntu on first drive, the second is unmounted?
[07:24] <GoldeNArX> correct.
[07:25] <topyli> GoldeNArX: in a terminal, do 'sudo fdisk /dev/hdb'
[07:25] <GoldeNArX> sudo fdisk /dev/hdb
[07:26] <GoldeNArX> ok sec
[07:26] <topyli> GoldeNArX: press P
[07:26] <Adrenal> how do i install a 3d card driver?
[07:26] <Adrenal> says i can't be in x desktop
[07:26] <GotD0t> Adrenal: warty?
[07:26] <Adrenal> but how do i edit boot so that i am not in the aforementioned x desktop
[07:26] <Adrenal> warty?
[07:26] <topyli> GoldeNArX: now you should see the partitions
[07:26] <GoldeNArX> Unable to open /dev/hdb
[07:27] <topyli> hmm.
[07:27] <GotD0t> Adrenal: nevermind... just go into a terminal and type /etc/init.d/gdm stop, and to get back in do startx
[07:27] <GoldeNArX> let me reboot this machine to make sure hard drive detected
[07:27] <topyli> GoldeNArX: forgot sudo?
[07:27] <GotD0t> Adrenal: note... it will exit all apps open
[07:27] <Newbie04> GoldeNArX: Where did you connect that second drive ?
[07:27] <Adrenal> kk
[07:27] <Adrenal> so i type that
[07:27] <Adrenal> reboot
[07:27] <GotD0t> no
[07:27] <Adrenal> then when i'm done
[07:27] <GoldeNArX> its on secondary controler
[07:27] <GotD0t> you don't need to reboot
[07:27] <GoldeNArX> its master on secodary
[07:27] <GotD0t> just do that now
[07:27] <Adrenal> kk
[07:27] <GoldeNArX> ok
[07:27] <Adrenal> so i hit that
[07:27] <GotD0t> and you don't have to reboot
[07:27] <topyli> GoldeNArX: then it's hdc
[07:27] <Agrajag> that's hdc
[07:27] <Adrenal> cd to the directory with the driver
[07:28] <Newbie04> Then its /dev/hdc
[07:28] <Adrenal> run as normal
[07:28] <Agrajag> fdisk -l /dev/hdc
[07:28] <GotD0t> yea
[07:28] <Adrenal> then start x
[07:28] <Adrenal> cheers
[07:28] <GotD0t> no space
[07:28] <GotD0t> startx
[07:28] <Adrenal> cheers
[07:28] <Adrenal> bye
[07:28] <GoldeNArX> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 19457.
[07:28] <GoldeNArX> There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
[07:28] <GoldeNArX> and could in certain setups cause problems with:
[07:28] <GoldeNArX> 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
[07:28] <GoldeNArX> 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
[07:28] <GoldeNArX>    (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
[07:28] <Newbie04> Anyone know how to install ubuntu 64 on an Athlon 64 (Soltek mb) with a SATA hd ?
[07:28] <topyli> GoldeNArX: ok, press P and you should see the partitions
[07:28] <Agrajag> GoldeNArX: use -l
[07:28] <Agrajag> fdisk -l /dev/hdc
[07:29] <GoldeNArX> linux native, linux swap, whole drive
[07:29] <GoldeNArX> disk sorry
[07:29] <|QuaD-_> are there any places to read about what is actively being developed on hoary (like a log book)
[07:29] <Agrajag> nothing about an ntfs/hpfs partition?
[07:29] <topyli> GoldeNArX: no ntfs?
[07:30] <GoldeNArX> just says hold disk
[07:30] <Agrajag> that doesn't sound good
[07:30] <GoldeNArX>    Device Flag    Start       End    Blocks   Id  System
[07:30] <GoldeNArX> /dev/hdc1             0      1935    975240   83  Linux native
[07:30] <GoldeNArX> /dev/hdc2  u       1935      2036     50904   82  Linux swap
[07:30] <GoldeNArX> /dev/hdc3             0      2036   1026144    5  Whole disk
[07:30] <GoldeNArX> whole disk
[07:30] <Agrajag> well maybe it's just got the wrong type listed.
[07:31] <Agrajag> what happens when you run this: "sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs && mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc3 /mnt/ntfs"
[07:31] <rattboi> |QuaD-: I want to know that too
[07:31] <Agrajag> Does it give you any errors?
[07:31] <topyli> GoldeNArX: perhaps that's the wrong drive after all, try /dev/hda too :)
[07:32] <Newbie04> Partition 5 is probably the Etended, nothing in there
[07:32] <GoldeNArX> so what should I do from here?
[07:32] <GoldeNArX> thee should be a ntfs partition
[07:32] <topyli> GoldeNArX: did you try Agrajag's mount command
[07:33] <GoldeNArX> no.
[07:33] <GoldeNArX> sec
[07:33] <Agrajag> er, that should be: "sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs && sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc3 /mnt/ntfs"
[07:33] <Synek> hi
[07:33] <Agrajag> forgot the second sudo\
[07:33] <topyli> GoldeNArX: you can press Q in the fdisk terminal now, we don't want to make any mistakes there :)
[07:34] <Newbie04>   ...   mkdir -f .. ?
[07:34] <rattboi> anyone know about doing captive-ntfs?
[07:34] <rattboi> I actually got it working, but only with root
[07:34] <GoldeNArX> ok
[07:34] <lil_anthony> how do i start and stop the alsa daemon please? is it not /etc/init.d/alsa start/stop?
[07:35] <GoldeNArX> i'm at a blank terminal
[07:35] <GoldeNArX> whats my first steps?
[07:35] <topyli> GoldeNArX: then do ls /mnt/ntfs
[07:35] <GoldeNArX> did that and it did nothing
[07:36] <Newbie04> Any messages after the mount command ?
[07:36] <GoldeNArX> sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs
[07:36] <GoldeNArX> first right
[07:36] <Agrajag> yes
[07:36] <[BTM] gee> someone that knows if there is a good program to use when you want to add game servers?
[07:36] <Agrajag> then sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc3 /mnt/ntfs
[07:37] <[BTM] gee> like all seeing eyes if somebody knows what it is
[07:38] <GoldeNArX> hrmm.. this is odd
[07:38] <GoldeNArX> none of it seems to work
[07:38] <topyli> GoldeNArX: if you now type just 'mount', do you see the /mnt/ntfs mount point listed?
[07:38] <GoldeNArX> no
[07:38] <Agrajag> but when you try to mount, it doesn't give you an error or anything?
[07:39] <topyli> GoldeNArX: do 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda' -- to make sure we really have the correct disk here :)
[07:39] <GoldeNArX>  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[07:39] <GoldeNArX> /dev/hda1   *           1        8447     3991176   83  Linux
[07:39] <GoldeNArX> /dev/hda2            8448        8895      211680    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[07:39] <GoldeNArX> /dev/hda5            8448        8895      211648+  82  Linux swap
[07:39] <Newbie04> Can I make the Warty (64 bit) installation CD 'see' a SATA drive ?
[07:40] <GoldeNArX>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[07:40] <GoldeNArX> /dev/hdc1               1        8287    66565296    7  HPFS/NTFS
[07:40] <GoldeNArX> /dev/hdc2            8288       19457    89723025    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[07:40] <GoldeNArX> /dev/hdc5            8288       19457    89722993+  83  Linux
[07:40] <GoldeNArX> those are the 2 drives
[07:40] <zenwhen> spamaliscious
[07:40] <Newbie04> hdc1
[07:41] <GoldeNArX> thats the 1.
[07:41] <Agrajag> that didn't show up before
[07:41] <GoldeNArX> so which command do I run first from herE?
[07:41] <topyli> GoldeNArX: now we are going somewhere :)
[07:41] <Agrajag> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/ntfs
[07:41] <zenwhen> :*
[07:41] <Agrajag> :*
[07:42] <zenwhen> I nevr recognize you with that name.
[07:42] <GoldeNArX> gives me a whole screen of the command usage
[07:42] <Agrajag> huh
[07:42] <Agrajag> Did you type it right?
[07:42] <Agrajag> just copy and paste
[07:42] <topyli> GoldeNArX: the command seems sane anough to me
[07:42] <[BTM] gee> GoldeNArX try sudo mount -t ntfs -o gid=1000,uid=1000, /dev/hdc1 /mnt/ntfs thats my mount
[07:43] <Agrajag> maybe you should do sudo umount /mnt/ntfs first
[07:43] <[BTM] gee> dont know what gid and uid you have
[07:43] <topyli> Agrajag: do we have ntfs support by default btw?
[07:43] <Agrajag> topyli: yes
[07:43] <Agrajag> this isn't fedora
[07:43] <GoldeNArX> says it wasent mounted
[07:43] <topyli> :)
[07:43] <Agrajag> ok
[07:43] <Agrajag> GoldeNArX: so try sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/ntfs again
[07:44] <GoldeNArX> btm's mount command worked
[07:44] <[BTM] gee> had the same problem, just had to add the gid and uid
[07:44] <Agrajag> ok
[07:44] <Agrajag> hm, I never did
[07:44] <[BTM] gee> hehe nice:)
[07:44] <Newbie04> Agrajag: do we have SATA (nVidia) support by default ?
[07:44] <[BTM] gee> first time i ever helped someone :D
[07:44] <Agrajag> no idea
[07:44] <GoldeNArX> it just poped up
[07:44] <Agrajag> /dev/hda1               /mnt/windows    ntfs            users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec       0 0
[07:44] <Agrajag> that's mine
[07:44] <[BTM] gee> goodie GoldeNArX :)
[07:44] <topyli> GoldeNArX: so now if you ls /mnt/ntfs, you see a listing?
[07:45] <GoldeNArX> yes
[07:45] <[BTM] gee> you know that you only have read right?
[07:45] <[BTM] gee> you cant write
[07:45] <GoldeNArX> yes
[07:45] <GoldeNArX> i need to mount the ext3 partition now
[07:45] <[BTM] gee> good
[07:45] <topyli> GoldeNArX: great. you can now copy your mp3's and pr0n out of there
[07:45] <Newbie04> The uid, gid is to make some user owner after the mount
[07:45] <[BTM] gee> mm
[07:46] <GoldeNArX> I need to mount the ext3 partition now
[07:46] <GoldeNArX> how do I do that?
[07:46] <[BTM] gee> Newbie04 do you know any good program that lists gaming servers ?
[07:46] <[BTM] gee> GoldeNArX hm w8
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> same way
[07:47] <topyli> GoldeNArX: ok. sudo mkdir /mnt/ext3, then sudo mount /dev/hdc5 /mnt/ext3
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> topyli, there you go
[07:47] <Newbie04> [BTM] gee: Sorry, don't know anything about gaming  :(
[07:47] <[BTM] gee> hehe k:)
[07:47] <Danko123456> thats better
[07:47] <Danko123456> Hi.
[07:47] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: xqf
[07:47] <[BTM] gee> tnx crimsun
[07:47] <GoldeNArX> ok that worked
[07:47] <Danko123456> I just joined a room "ubuntuchannel:
[07:48] <topyli> GoldeNArX: ok, now copy the files
[07:48] <[BTM] gee> hope it works with quake3
[07:48] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: of course
[07:48] <Danko123456> Hi.
[07:48] <GoldeNArX> says I have no permision to write to folder
[07:49] <[BTM] gee> :)
[07:49] <rattboi> hey, easy thing
[07:49] <rattboi> how do I tile the windows in Gnome?
[07:49] <[BTM] gee> crimsun what driver do you use? nvidia?
[07:49] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: yes. 1.0-6629
[07:49] <GoldeNArX> no permision fellas?
[07:49] <[BTM] gee> yepp same here
[07:49] <[BTM] gee> got some probs with it
[07:50] <topyli> GoldeNArX: sudo cp -a /mnt/ntfs/* /mnt/ext3 will copy them as they are
[07:50] <[BTM] gee> wont accept 1600x1200, and it wont apply my changes with the vertrefresh
[07:50] <topyli> GoldeNArX: but you may want to make another subdir under /mnt/ext3 first
[07:50] <[BTM] gee> have you ever had that prob?
[07:50] <Danko123456> What language are most of the ubuntu applications written in?
[07:50] <Newbie04> Can I make the Warty (64 bit) installation CD 'see' a SATA drive and install on this ?
[07:50] <crimsun> Danko123456: C, Python
[07:51] <Danko123456> Cool, Thanks.
[07:51] <crimsun> Danko123456: but you should really ask for specific "applications"
[07:51] <Danko123456> How do AI find the source code?
[07:51] <crimsun> Danko123456: available in the ubuntu repositories
[07:51] <GoldeNArX> it wont allow me to create the folder?
[07:51] <Danko123456> I guess, I thought that myself while I was writing.
[07:51] <topyli> GoldeNArX: you need to work with sudo all the time now
[07:51] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: that's because your user doesn't have permission
[07:51] <Danko123456> Thanks,
[07:52] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: use what topyli suggested
[07:52] <GoldeNArX> ok.
[07:52] <[BTM] gee> hm did you see what i wrote crimsun ?:)
[07:52] <Newbie04> GoldeNArX: or do:  sudo chmod 777 /mnt/ext3
[07:52] <crimsun> 01:50 < topyli> GoldeNArX: sudo cp -a /mnt/ntfs/* /mnt/ext3/.
[07:52] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: one sec
[07:52] <[BTM] gee> np
[07:52] <Danko123456> Is there any code written in .net languages?, would taht work at all?
[07:52] <topyli> crimsun: gee it's late there :)
[07:53] <GoldeNArX> ok
[07:53] <[BTM] gee> *hh*
[07:53] <GoldeNArX> that works
[07:53] <crimsun> Danko123456: warty doesn't officially have mono support; hoary will
[07:53] <crimsun> Danko123456: currently mono* are in hoary's universe
[07:53] <thoreauputic_> hmm... lots of themes available for irssi... not many that I like, though
[07:53] <Agrajag> Danko123456: you can install mono from another repo though
[07:53] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: what application(s) are you trying to force into 16x12?
[07:53] <Danko123456> Well I do not even know what mono is.
[07:53] <Agrajag> I have muine installed
[07:53] <Agrajag> mono is a .NET implementation
[07:53] <crimsun> Danko123456: www.go-mono.com
[07:54] <[BTM] gee> x of course
[07:54] <GoldeNArX> this may take awhile
[07:54] <GoldeNArX> hehe
[07:54] <Danko123456> thanks very much.
[07:54] <GoldeNArX> got another question.  is it necasary to have a swap partition on each hd?
[07:54] <topyli> GoldeNArX: verify that the files are there, umount the partitions, and then you can destroy the ntfs partition with gparted or something
[07:54] <Danko123456> And I guess then there is not many programs written in .net.
[07:54] <topyli> GoldeNArX: no, one swap per system
[07:54] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: you don't need swap at all if you have gobs of physical memory
[07:55] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: it all depends on your working set
[07:55] <[BTM] gee> added 16x12 in xf86config-4, and it adds 1400x1050?:D
[07:55] <GoldeNArX> well. this box is only 128 ram
[07:55] <Danko123456> So I guess mono is like the whole development environment, or just a runtime one?
[07:55] <[BTM] gee> its very odd
[07:55] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: so you'll want at least 256 MB swap
[07:55] <Newbie04> Guys, can I make the Warty (64 bit) installation CD 'see' a SATA drive and install on this ?
[07:55] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: does your monitor support 16x12 at the resolution you're attempting to use?
[07:55] <[BTM] gee> hehe of course:)
[07:56] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: err, at the refresh rate
[07:56] <Danko123456> K im sorry you kinda answered that already.
[07:56] <GoldeNArX> ok. the reason why I asked is pqmagic made a swap partition on this drive when the boot drive has its own swap partition.
[07:56] <[BTM] gee> well the problem is that it wont add 16x12
[07:56] <GoldeNArX> is there a way for me to check my swap partition size?
[07:56] <Agrajag> GoldeNArX: free
[07:56] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: then add it yourself
[07:56] <Agrajag> free -m to see it in megabytes
[07:56] <[BTM] gee> done it in every way, but it wont change
[07:56] <[BTM] gee> thats the wierd part
[07:56] <Newbie04> swap -s  ??
[07:56] <[BTM] gee> what card do you use?
[07:57] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: http://sh.nu/nvidia/gtf.php
[07:57] <[BTM] gee> nice nice
[07:57] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: generaet a modeline, place that modeline in Section "Monitor"
[07:57] <crimsun> generate^
[07:57] <[BTM] gee> ait
[07:57] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: then prepend it to the list of Modes in Section "Screen"
[07:58] <[BTM] gee> k
[07:58] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: then restart gdm
[07:58] <GoldeNArX> Mem:           124        122          1          0          0         58
[07:58] <GoldeNArX> -/+ buffers/cache:         63         60
[07:58] <GoldeNArX> Swap:          206         27        178
[07:58] <GoldeNArX> so my sway is 206 mb
[07:58] <GoldeNArX> swap instead
[07:58] <Agrajag> yes
[07:59] <Danko123456> So, basically, the mono thing is gonna work on the warthog?
[07:59] <Agrajag> Danko123456: what
[07:59] <Agrajag> Danko123456: warty does not support mono.
[07:59] <GoldeNArX> well the swap part is 2gb i think
[07:59] <Danko123456> Oh, that means it wont work I guess.
[07:59] <Newbie04> The swap on hdc is probably not added
[07:59] <Danko123456> :)
[07:59] <Agrajag> Danko123456: you can add an apt repo for it but it's not supported
[07:59] <GoldeNArX> how big should I make the swap
[07:59] <Agrajag> it will work
[07:59] <topyli> Danko123456: mono works once you get it installed
[07:59] <Agrajag> it's just not supported
[08:00] <Danko123456> I see, well thats good, cause I dont know how to do anything yet.
[08:00] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: scroll up
[08:00] <Danko123456> on this OS.
[08:00] <Danko123456> I mean, I know how to use the GUI.
[08:00] <Danko123456> but thats it.
[08:00] <topyli> Danko123456: that's plenty :)
[08:00] <Danko123456> Can I ask you guys questions about it?
[08:00] <GoldeNArX> so 256 is sufficient. making it any bigger wont make it faster or anything?
[08:00] <Danko123456> I mean I guess youre here for that?>
[08:01] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: no, HD-based swap is slow
[08:01] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: but you need at _least_ 256
[08:01] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: particularly if you plan to use X Windows on that machine
[08:01] <GoldeNArX> ok. is 300 megs a decent number?
[08:01] <Danko123456> How would I go about installing a bittorent program?
[08:02] <Danko123456> How do you install I guess.
[08:02] <bpd1069> Is there a way to force the motherboard to use 4x AGP ? my motherboard specs to 4x but I can't seem to see indication that it will get past 1x... do I actually need a card in the AGP slot to utilize 4x (PCI video card ati 9200SE)?
[08:02] <Agrajag> Danko123456: apt-get install bittornado bittornado-gui
[08:02] <topyli> GoldeNArX: it all depends. how much swap are you using right now?
[08:02] <Danko123456> thank you.
[08:02] <topyli> GoldeNArX: i mean how much is actually in use?
[08:02] <Agrajag> bpd1069: how exactly do you plan on using AGP on a PCI video card?
[08:02] <GoldeNArX> 27 meg
[08:02] <zenwhen> bpd1069, yes, of course oyu need an AGP card for 4x agp.
[08:02] <Newbie04> I have 750MB RAM and still using 800MB Swap   :-(
[08:02] <zenwhen> Thats the whole ppoint of AGP.
[08:02] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: you need at least 256. Somewhere between 256 and 512 should be ok.
[08:03] <GoldeNArX> ok.
[08:03] <zenwhen> My head hurts. :(
[08:03] <crimsun> Newbie04: what's your working set size?
[08:03] <topyli> GoldeNArX: seems to be sufficient then
[08:03] <GoldeNArX> yeah.. i'm sure its fine.
[08:03] <GoldeNArX> should get more ram for this box
[08:03] <bpd1069> via the radeon drivers...  BusType option forces to PCI but it still goes to teh agpgart right?
[08:03] <Danko123456> you guys are so nice, thanks for now.
[08:03] <topyli> GoldeNArX: definitely you should double it
[08:03] <Agrajag> what
[08:03] <Newbie04> crimsun: Ehhh ?  Swap ?
[08:03] <bpd1069> thanks zenwhen..
[08:03] <GoldeNArX> ok.
[08:04] <Newbie04> GoldeNArX: good idea
[08:04] <crimsun> Newbie04: free -m|grep -|awk -F' ' '{print $4}'
[08:04] <topyli> linux likes ram :)
[08:04] <bpd1069> hmmm
[08:04] <[BTM] gee> crimsun nah couldnt dl it
[08:04] <[BTM] gee> heh..:)
[08:04] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: couldn't "dl" it?
[08:04] <[BTM] gee> download
[08:04] <[BTM] gee> it
[08:04] <GoldeNArX> its only a pIII 450. seems to be running ok. I know it lacks in ram.  but xp was basically unbearable
[08:04] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: download what?
[08:05] <[BTM] gee> that program
[08:05] <Newbie04> 398
[08:05] <topyli> GoldeNArX: the cpu is not as important as ram on a desktop box i think
[08:05] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: you don't download it, you use it. It's a cgi script.
[08:05] <[BTM] gee> ah
[08:05] <[BTM] gee> lyl
[08:05] <[BTM] gee> iam tired :)
[08:05] <[BTM] gee> af hel
[08:05] <[BTM] gee> +l
[08:05] <GoldeNArX> topyli : agreed.
[08:06] <crimsun> [BTM] gee: the same program is available on your computer as /usr/bin/gtf
[08:06] <[BTM] gee> oh k
[08:06] <Newbie04> crimsun: do you know if I can install Warty on a SATA disk ? (Athlon 64/Soltek-nVidia)
[08:07] <GoldeNArX> once this stuff is done copying i'm gonna drop this hd back into my main machine and use pqmagic to delete the ntfs part and resize the ext3 part to the whole size of the drive.
[08:07] <GoldeNArX> when i'm done that i'm gonna need to know how to mount the drive when the machine starts up
[08:08] <Newbie04> GoldeNArX: you need edit the /etc/fstab
[08:08] <Newbie04> file
[08:08] <Agrajag> GoldeNArX: add it to /etc/fstab
[08:08] <topyli> GoldeNArX: you can use the other ext3 partitions in /etc/fstab as templates for your new line
[08:09] <GoldeNArX> yeah.. it'd be easy
[08:09] <topyli> GoldeNArX: you also probably want to take care of permissions on the partition, right now i guess they will be owned by root
[08:10] <GoldeNArX> i dont think i made a root password
[08:10] <topyli> GoldeNArX: yeah, that's why we use sudo :)
[08:10] <crimsun> Newbie04: I don't know offhand. Have you checked the wiki?
[08:11] <topyli> GoldeNArX: but you want your user(s) have read-write access to the files and dirs on the new partition i guess
[08:11] <GoldeNArX> it wont let me do anything to the fstab file
[08:11] <Newbie04> crimsun: Nope, just tried the Warty CD    ....    see, that's my nick  ;-)
[08:11] <GoldeNArX> there is only 1 user
[08:11] <GoldeNArX> me.
[08:11] <GoldeNArX> how am I gonna change that?
[08:11] <GoldeNArX> can I login as root?
[08:12] <topyli> GoldeNArX: you need sudo to edit fstab
[08:12] <Agrajag> use sudo
[08:12] <Newbie04> GoldeNArX: sudo -s
[08:12] <GoldeNArX> oh. thats right
[08:12] <crimsun> just use sudo
[08:12] <Agrajag> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[08:12] <GoldeNArX> i understand now
[08:12] <Danko123456> Which directory does a program go to when you install it with the root?
[08:12] <Newbie04> No elvis ?   ;-)
[08:12] <GoldeNArX> sudo is like passive or something?
[08:12] <crimsun> "passive?"
[08:13] <topyli> GoldeNArX: anyway, no need to edit fstab now, because you can't be sure what the disk will look like after you edit it :)
[08:13] <Agrajag> Danko123456: executables go to /usr/bin or /bin, libraries to /usr/lib or /lib, other parts go to /usr/share
[08:13] <Danko123456> thanks
[08:13] <Newbie04> crimsun: Do I just have to search for Wiki on the main site ?
[08:13] <GoldeNArX> ok. so whats my best bet for user access? loging in as root is not smart?
[08:14] <rattboi> yo, who was saying they used ion2?
[08:14] <rattboi> it's pretty cool
[08:14] <crimsun> Newbie04: go to the wiki, search for SATA
[08:14] <Agrajag> no, and that's why you can't log in as root.
[08:14] <rattboi> it'll take a little while to get used to though
[08:14] <Newbie04> GoldeNArX: you could make subdirectories on your mounted disk and chown on those
[08:14] <Newbie04> Ok crimsun, thx I will
[08:14] <Danko123456> Now that I have installed bittornado, and I know which directory the binary is in, how do I get started on downloading files?
[08:15] <topyli> GoldeNArX: if you need a real root session, you can do 'sudo -s' in a terminal. but i don't think you need to
[08:15] <punk0> hi somebody have asterisk in ubuntu
[08:15] <punk0> ???
[08:15] <GoldeNArX> ok.. so in order to have full access to the drives and stuff. what is it I should do?
[08:15] <GoldeNArX> forgive if some of my questions are air headed
[08:16] <GoldeNArX> they are usually regardless.. right crimmy?
[08:16] <crimsun> you already have full access
[08:16] <punk0> im have problems compiling zaptel modules
[08:16] <GoldeNArX> why is it I was stuck to using sudo then?
[08:17] <GoldeNArX> what if I want to use the gui?
[08:17] <Newbie04> GoldeNArX: sudo mkdir /mnt/ext3/<mydir> && sudo chown <myname> /mnt/ext3/<mydir>
[08:17] <GoldeNArX> i'm gonna not get ahead of myself here
[08:17] <crimsun> GoldeNArX needs to pass a umask option to mount, that's all
[08:17] <topyli> GoldeNArX: something like 'sudo chown -R GoldeNArX:GoldeNArX /mnt/ext3/*'. although i don't think your username is GoldeNArX :)
[08:17] <crimsun> there's more information in the mount man page
[08:17] <lil_anthony> question where should the mozilla-firefoxrc be placed in ubuntu?
[08:18] <GoldeNArX> i'm gonna cross that bridge when this is done copying and i've resized the part
[08:18] <topyli> GoldeNArX: oh yes, and when you mount it, mount it right, like crimsun here says
[08:18] <Danko123456> What kind of questions do you guys answer, is there a policy or sthg like that?
[08:19] <crimsun> Danko123456: we should all answer the ones we can
[08:19] <Newbie04> Ok guys, I'm outahere (8:20am, time for work)
[08:19] <Danko123456> k
[08:19] <crimsun> bye
[08:19] <topyli> Danko123456: the kind we know something about
[08:19] <Danko123456> Now that I have installed bittornado, and I know which directory the binary is in, how do I get started on downloading files?
[08:20] <Danko123456> Is there a manual for using the program?
[08:20] <Danko123456> d bittornado,
[08:20] <crimsun> man bittornado
[08:21] <|QuaD-_> exit
[08:21] <|QuaD-_> blah
[08:21] <|QuaD-_> ttyl
[08:21] <crimsun> and use a popular search engine to find web sites for torrent trackers
[08:21] <GoldeNArX> how does one tell how much space is left on drive>?
[08:22] <crimsun> left? cfdisk will tell you.
[08:22] <topyli> GoldeNArX: df
[08:22] <crimsun> on a mounted partition, df will tell you.
[08:22] <topyli> use the -h option to get "human readable" output :)
[08:23] <GoldeNArX> god.. is there a book of common linux commands?
[08:23] <topyli> hehe
[08:23] <Danko123456> That easy, hey?
[08:23] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: of course
[08:23] <Danko123456> good, thankl you.
[08:24] <topyli> GoldeNArX: make notes while you're on irc, and you'll have your list of commands soon ;)
[08:24] <GoldeNArX> yeah.. i've been doing that.
[08:24] <GoldeNArX> tho i'm not clear on what sudo does exactly
[08:25] <topyli> GoldeNArX: sudo runs the command as root basically
[08:25] <GoldeNArX> ic. what was confusing me is "sudo is like the single command used" when only its a mode for a command.. right?
[08:25] <Danko123456> Is the man for bittornado supposed to work in any directory?
[08:26] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: read sudo(8): man 8 sudo
[08:26] <topyli> GoldeNArX: no, sudo is the command you run, and then sudo runs the command you give it as an argument
[08:26] <GoldeNArX> ok. I understand.
[08:26] <GoldeNArX> crimmy: I dont get your reference there
[08:27] <topyli> man sudo and man sudoers will tell you all
[08:27] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: in a terminal, read the man page.
[08:27] <GoldeNArX> ok
[08:28] <GoldeNArX> this is very cool.  to be honest the furthest i've been yet.
[08:28] <BlacKnight|> hi everyone!
[08:28] <crimsun> 'lo
[08:28] <Danko123456> what about the commands that are not common, like the bottorent one, are they stored in a path accessible directory i.e. man bittorent would work from any directory?
[08:28] <GoldeNArX> but copying my music to the ext3 part is the final step, then i'm fully commited
[08:29] <BlacKnight|> i'm trying to install ubuntu over an existing installation of mdk
[08:29] <Danko123456> hi BK.
[08:29] <GoldeNArX> 65 gigs is taking awhile tho
[08:29] <ficusplanet> I noticed since upgrading to hoary that directories don't automatically update (I have to refresh to see changes).  Is there any way to fix this?
[08:29] <topyli> Danko123456: yes, man searches the $MANPATH
[08:29] <Danko123456> I see, mine is not pulling anything.
[08:29] <Danko123456> for that program.
[08:29] <BlacKnight|> basically i wanted to keep my /home (hda8), and format / (hda5) and /usr (hda7)
[08:29] <BlacKnight|> hrmm i'm doing a bad job of describing this
[08:30] <topyli> Danko123456: yes, because there is no command "bittornado". try 'man btdownloadgui'
[08:30] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: yes, it will
[08:30] <BlacKnight|> i'll give you the error first: when tyring to complete partitioning, i get this error from parted: "this ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout"
[08:30] <Danko123456> oh.
[08:30] <BlacKnight|> (for hda8)
[08:30] <BlacKnight|> then it says that i can't use hda8
[08:31] <BlacKnight|> ... because i'm trying to use the existing /home
[08:31] <GoldeNArX> ok. next question.  If I want to share this drive (hdc) over a network so windows can read off it. will that be tough?\
[08:31] <BlacKnight|> this is all complicated by the fact that i have two existing windows partitions also
[08:31] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: nope, just need to configure /etc/samba/smb.conf and restart samba
[08:31] <topyli> GoldeNArX: you need to set up samba
[08:31] <BlacKnight|> so does anyone have any idea what i should do?
[08:32] <GoldeNArX> ok
[08:32] <GoldeNArX> get to that later aswel
[08:32] <GoldeNArX> what time is it for all you guys>
[08:32] <BlacKnight|> (i don't know why the installer is tyring to use parted anyway.. i don't want to resize any of my partitions)
[08:32] <topyli> GoldeNArX: then you'll have samba mp3's :)
[08:32] <crimsun> 2:32 AM EST
[08:32] <crimsun> fairly early in the day
[08:33] <topyli> GoldeNArX: 09:33:02 EET
[08:33] <GoldeNArX> crimmy: do you not sleep bro?
[08:33] <GoldeNArX> its 12:33 here
[08:33] <Danko123456> Im cst
[08:33] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: I sleep when I'm wide awake.
[08:34] <GoldeNArX> for real?
[08:34] <Danko123456> ok...
[08:34] <Danko123456> I dont get it
[08:34] <topyli> i sleep at work
[08:34] <Danko123456> :)
[08:34] <BlacKnight|> anyone?
[08:34] <RuffianSoldier> I get it
[08:34] <Danko123456> I really dont know.
[08:35] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: ok, basically you should tell it to use hda5 (/) first
[08:35] <topyli> BlacKnight|: i hope it's not trying to format hda8
[08:36] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: then see if you can split /usr onto hda7
[08:36] <BlacKnight|> so do i topyli
[08:36] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: how do you mean tell it to use that first?
[08:36] <BlacKnight|> do the partitioning one at a time?
[08:36] <BlacKnight|> i get some error about hda1 (the primary windows partition) not being setup correctly
[08:37] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: one logical partition per step, yes. Usually installers ask for a partition first onto which to place /
[08:37] <BlacKnight|> ah ok i'll try that
[08:37] <BlacKnight|> thanks
[08:37] <Danko123456> Hey, I wanted to ask this: is there an antivirus program for ubuntu?
[08:38] <crimsun> Danko123456: there are some for Linux, yes, like clamav, f-prot, etc.; on the whole, they're not necessary
[08:38] <Danko123456> is that an oximoron?
[08:38] <Danko123456> haha
[08:38] <Danko123456> I guess kinda
[08:39] <Danko123456> How do I find out if there is a java compiler on my computer, do i just try to compile something?
[08:39] <GoldeNArX> my god this is slow
[08:39] <GoldeNArX> guess cause its from an ntfs part
[08:39] <BlacKnight|> ummm crimsun: now it's installing ubuntu to the 2 gig / partition
[08:40] <BlacKnight|> it hasn't asked me anything about a /home partition, etc
[08:40] <topyli> GoldeNArX: the ntfs support might be slow. disks are slow anyway
[08:40] <GoldeNArX> topyli/crimmy: is there a version of winamp for linux?
[08:40] <topyli> GoldeNArX: heavens, no! :)
[08:40] <|QuaD-> GoldeNArX: xmms is pretty similar
[08:40] <BlacKnight|> xmms is better
[08:41] <GoldeNArX> xmms.. url?
[08:41] <BlacKnight|> they need to release a gtk2 version of it though
[08:41] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: isn't xmms just a copy of winamp
[08:41] <|QuaD-> GoldeNArX: google
[08:41] <BlacKnight|> www.xmms.org
[08:41] <thoreauputic> GoldeNArX: notice the first 3 letters of "Winamp" ;)
[08:41] <topyli> BlacKnight|: i hear beep is just that
[08:41] <BlacKnight|> pardon?
[08:41] <topyli> beep media player
[08:42] <BlacKnight|> oh awesome, i've never heard of that
[08:42] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: it's not really an issue if /home is created on the 2 gig / (hda5)
[08:42] <BlacKnight|> can i go back and fix that later?
[08:42] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: remember that you can always mount /dev/hda8 as /home in /etc/fstab
[08:42] <BlacKnight|> ah ok
[08:42] <BlacKnight|> and what if i want /usr on hda7
[08:42] <BlacKnight|> ?
[08:43] <BlacKnight|> should i have done that back then?
[08:43] <Danko123456> Anyhow, I heard that lets say, a solaris compiler for java can be installed on my ubuntu system, does it then mean that when I compile with that, the executable will run on my comp?
[08:43] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: yes, generally separate them in the installer; I haven't tried that in the installer, however.
[08:43] <BlacKnight|> what i want to know is why parted was touching my hda8
[08:43] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: there is also a way of doing it after things are set up
[08:43] <BlacKnight|> excellent
[08:43] <BlacKnight|> how?
[08:44] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: did you tell it to set up Ubuntu on hda8 ?
[08:44] <BlacKnight|> no, i told it to use the exisiting data and mount it at /home
[08:44] <topyli> Danko123456: you need the compiler to be for your architecture. but the resulting binaries should run anywhere
[08:44] <BlacKnight|> i hope it hasnt buggered up my /home partition
[08:44] <topyli> Danko123456: i mean your OS, not arch
[08:45] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: hmm, normally installers look guidance where to install /
[08:45] <Danko123456> Really?
[08:45] <Danko123456> hmmmm.
[08:45] <topyli> Danko123456: not that i know much about java
[08:45] <[BTM] gee> crimsun heh tnx for all the help m8, very nice of you
[08:45] <crimsun> np
[08:45] <crimsun> works?
[08:45] <[BTM] gee> but it didnt work...its my friends fault just because he did a new kernel
[08:45] <crimsun> Danko123456: javac
[08:46] <[BTM] gee> hate him for it
[08:46] <Danko123456> Well if I wrote in "gcj CompanyPayroll.java" and it said "bash: gcj: command not found" that means I do not have the gcj program installed?
[08:46] <crimsun> Danko123456: that's correct
[08:46] <[BTM] gee> ill let him do all the work with this problem, his fault from the beginning
[08:46] <Danko123456> k
[08:46] <|QuaD-> Danko123456: correct
[08:46] <[BTM] gee> :)
[08:46] <[BTM] gee> tnx for you time
[08:46] <Danko123456> But you are saying that there is a javac installed?
[08:46] <|QuaD-> Danko123456: do you care about the differences between closed and open source?
[08:46] <GoldeNArX> 35 gigs left to copy
[08:46] <GoldeNArX> ugh
[08:46] <Danko123456> Why?
[08:46] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: will the 2 gig on hda5 be enough for the entire ubuntu install?
[08:46] <|QuaD-> do you?
[08:46] <BlacKnight|> and what's the best way to move /usr to hda7?
[08:46] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: yep
[08:47] <Danko123456> I do not understand your q.
[08:47] <|QuaD-> do you prefer open source software to closed source?
[08:47] <Danko123456> well
[08:47] <Danko123456> what a q
[08:47] <|QuaD-> i have a reason for asking
[08:47] <Danko123456> I really could not tell you.
[08:47] <RuffianSoldier> |QuaD
[08:47] <RuffianSoldier> |Quad
[08:47] <topyli> Danko123456: i guess |QuaD- is asking because sun's compiler might be better than the gnu one
[08:47] <Danko123456> Cause I do not know the exact definitions
[08:47] <|QuaD-> Danko123456: i would reccomend sun's java rather then gcj
[08:47] <Danko123456> but from what I understand
[08:47] <|QuaD-> topyli: yeah
[08:48] <|QuaD-> RuffianSoldier: :)
[08:48] <Danko123456> I prefer open
[08:48] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: you make a new filesystem on /dev/hda7, create a new mountpoint (say, /mnt/newusr), mount /dev/hda7 /mnt/newusr, cp -a /usr/* /mnt/newusr/.
[08:48] <Danko123456> definitely
[08:48] <Danko123456> I mean
[08:48] <|QuaD-> Danko123456: ok, then stick with gcj
[08:48] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: then you add/modify the entry in /etc/fstab to point to your new /usr partition
[08:48] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: when you reboot, it uses that.
[08:48] <BlacKnight|> ok thanks
[08:48] <Danko123456> I do not get it.
[08:49] <Danko123456> Where can I read a good explanation
[08:49] <Danko123456> of the principles?
[08:49] <crimsun> Danko123456: an explanation of what?
[08:49] <BlacKnight|> and as for /home, is there anything ubuntu puts in ~ that i'll need, or can i scrap the ubuntu /home and just replace it with my hda8 one?
[08:49] <|QuaD-> Danko123456: principles of what?
[08:49] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: you can use your old hda8 /home
[08:49] <Danko123456> of what it means to be open source code exactly
[08:49] <BlacKnight|> fantastic
[08:49] <BlacKnight|> now let's hope it still exists!
[08:50] <|QuaD-> Danko123456: source is published
[08:50] <topyli> Danko123456: opensource.org has the definition
[08:50] <Danko123456> *hoping*
[08:50] <Danko123456> haha
[08:50] <BlacKnight|> can i just use fdisk to do the partitioning of hda7?
[08:50] <Danko123456> thank you
[08:50] <crimsun> Danko123456: http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php
[08:50] <Danko123456> Thank you.
[08:50] <|QuaD-> wow... when i get xorg back up, i will have to check that out
[08:50] <|QuaD-> nevernew about it
[08:50] <|QuaD-> heh
[08:50] <BlacKnight|> oh, no i have to use mkext3fs right?
[08:50] <|QuaD-> i don't believe in reading my opinions though, i like formulating my own
[08:51] <BlacKnight|> what's the current version of kde that are in the ubuntu sources?
[08:51] <BlacKnight|> for warty
[08:51] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: none
[08:51] <BlacKnight|> hrmmm
[08:51] <topyli> |QuaD-: well, Open Source is a trademark, not an opinion these days :)
[08:51] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: 3.2
[08:51] <BlacKnight|> i thought there were kde packages...
[08:51] <|QuaD-> KDE IS NOT SUPPORTED !
[08:51] <crimsun>      4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2 0
[08:51] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[08:51] <|QuaD-> you can install it
[08:52] <|QuaD-> but its not supported
[08:52] <crimsun> Danko123456:      4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2 0
[08:52] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[08:52] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: does quad know what he's talking about?
[08:52] <crimsun> arg
[08:52] <crimsun> sorry about the paste
[08:52] <crimsun> Danko123456: http://www.debian.org/intro/free
[08:52] <BlacKnight|> |QuaD-: that's why i asked which ones are in the sources
[08:52] <BlacKnight|> can i install the deb packages for kde 3.3.2?
[08:52] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: i know what i am talking about
[08:52] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: are you on Warty?
[08:52] <thoreauputic> BlacKnight|: sort of - you can get KDE but it isn't supported
[08:53] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: Warty has KDE packages in 'universe'
[08:53] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: yeah i have warty
[08:53] <topyli> BlacKnight|: yes, you can install kde from universe. some people have reported it also works fine
[08:53] <BlacKnight|> and the one in universe is 3.2?
[08:53] <crimsun> (it does work fine)
[08:53] <crimsun> (yes)
[08:53] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: it can break your system
[08:54] <topyli> |QuaD-: come on, you just don't like kde
[08:54] <BlacKnight|> how about if i want kde 3.3.1/2?
[08:54] <|QuaD-> topyli: i LOVE kde
[08:54] <Danko123456> What language is mozilla firefox written in?
[08:54] <|QuaD-> i would much rather have that on here
[08:54] <crimsun> Danko123456: C/C++
[08:54] <GoldeNArX> what the hell is kde?
[08:54] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: www.kde.org
[08:54] <topyli> hehe
[08:54] <GoldeNArX> its a gui?
[08:54] <|QuaD-> GoldeNArX: like gnome, but different
[08:54] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: you have to wait a little bit
[08:54] <crimsun> GoldeNArX: GNOME and KDE are both desktop environments
[08:54] <BlacKnight|> i'm quite fond of kde... i'd go without if i didn't use kmail, kopete, kpilot and korganizer
[08:54] <thoreauputic> GoldeNArX: a desktop environment GUI
[08:55] <thoreauputic> GoldeNArX: for other window managers look at xwinman.org
[08:55] <topyli> BlacKnight|: if you use many kde apps, you might as well get the whole thing
[08:55] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: until a few months ago (when ubuntu came out) i thought the same
[08:55] <|QuaD-> thoreauputic: you are not a devel, right?
[08:55] <BlacKnight|> topyli: yeah i was planning on doing just that
[08:55] <BlacKnight|> but i don't like the idea of using 3.2.1
[08:56] <crimsun> I use lots of different apps
[08:56] <thoreauputic> |QuaD-: no, I'm just interested
[08:56] <Ribs> Anyone use Cedega on Ubuntu?
[08:56] <crimsun> Ribs: it works fine
[08:56] <|QuaD-> thoreauputic: OK, i jsut had a uestion for one
[08:56] <Ribs> crimsun: Not the experience I'm having :(
[08:56] <GoldeNArX> gnome is the most common? I think i'm in gnome now
[08:56] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: install from source
[08:56] <|QuaD-> GoldeNArX: i think kde is more popular
[08:56] <Ribs> crimsun: Did you do anything special to get it working?
[08:56] <crimsun> Ribs: I'm using an older version: 4.0.1-1
[08:56] <Danko123456> What level of knowledge do you think I need to have in order to modify the source code for Mozilla firefox so that I have a different context menu pop up when I click on a link on a web page?
[08:57] <topyli> GoldeNArX: gnome is the default on ubuntu. kde is probably more common elsewhere though
[08:57] <Ribs> crimsun: yeah, tried that
[08:57] <|QuaD-> Danko123456: do you know how to code?
[08:57] <Ribs> tried all the cedega's, and some WineX releases
[08:57] <Ribs> no games install at all
[08:57] <GoldeNArX> anything pertic better on kde?
[08:57] <|QuaD-> GoldeNArX: preference
[08:57] <topyli> GoldeNArX: no. they're just different
[08:57] <Danko123456> I learned a bit of C++ and C and I have basic knowledge of GUI coding in VB.net
[08:57] <GoldeNArX> oki..
[08:57] <BlacKnight|> how long will the 2nd phase of this ubuntu install take?
[08:57] <|QuaD-> i am fond of kde's inttegration of apps
[08:57] <RuffianSoldier> HHmm - my new computer used to be quiter then this like 4 hours ago
[08:58] <|QuaD-> Danko123456: you will probably have problems though
[08:58] <crimsun> KDE has great integration
[08:58] <Danko123456> haha
[08:58] <crimsun> opening networked files, for instance, is a cinch
[08:58] <|QuaD-> Danko123456: i gave an honest answer
[08:58] <crimsun> (with any KDE app)
[08:58] <Tsjoklat> I find kde unworkable on ubu
[08:58] <|QuaD-> crimsun: yeah... kpim is hard to leave
[08:58] <Danko123456> I have a specific sense of humor
[08:58] <crimsun> well, gnome just works so well on ubuntu... :)
[08:58] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: i found that tooo
[08:58] <Danko123456> No offense intended
[08:59] <|QuaD-> Danko123456: ok good :)
[08:59] <Danko123456> or disrespect
[08:59] <Danko123456> :)
[08:59] <|QuaD-> i miss kde :(
[08:59] <|QuaD-> whats mepis use?
[08:59] <Tsjoklat> |Quad KDE
[08:59] <BlacKnight|> |QuaD-: you were just telling me that kde is evil....
[08:59] <thoreauputic> Danko123456: before you reinvent the whell, check the available extensions for Firefox ;)
[08:59] <Tsjoklat> hey pitti! :)
[08:59] <BlacKnight|> and now you're saying you miss it?
[08:59] <Danko123456> k so why do you think it would be hard, or do you think with the knowledge I specified it would need lots of learning on my part?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> s/wheel
[09:00] <|QuaD-> hmm, because i need to reinstall ubuntu anyways.... maybe i will try that for a while (hoary is too broken)
[09:00] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: i love kde
[09:00] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: just didn't work so hot with ubuntu
[09:00] <BlacKnight|> ok anyway, crim/topy can deb packages of any programs be used in ubuntu?
[09:00] <crimsun> Hoary is marked Development :)
[09:00] <Danko123456> All right thore!
[09:00] <BlacKnight|> seeing as how they both use apt-get?
[09:00] <topyli> |QuaD-: i used to use kde 1.2 a while back. i don't have much experience after that :)
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> |Quad if you insist on kde I would go with mepiss
[09:00] <|QuaD-> crimsun: i know i am a moron
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> mepis I mean
[09:00] <|QuaD-> crimsun: i was waiting for this
[09:00] <Danko123456> now Im getting somewhere
[09:00] <Danko123456> Where do you find those?
[09:00] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: it's difficult to say "any", because some packages will break, and you get to keep all the pieces
[09:01] <|QuaD-> topyli: you should try it out
[09:01] <BlacKnight|> that doesn't sound like much fun
[09:01] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: heh, i am getting used to gentoo lately
[09:01] <|QuaD-> grr ubuntu
[09:01] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: but generally speaking, if a Debian package has an equivalent in Ubuntu's universe or multiverse, you should use Ubuntu's instead
[09:01] <pitti> Tsjoklat: Hi! Greetings
[09:01] <BlacKnight|> but say i want kde 3.3
[09:01] <BlacKnight|> 3.3.2 to be prethithe
[09:02] <topyli> pitti: my hero and champion! :D
[09:02] <Tsjoklat> pitti are you in Spain too?
[09:02] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: does hoary use 3.3?
[09:02] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: 3.3.2 isn't even in sid yet
[09:02] <Danko123456> d
[09:02] <BlacKnight|> oh right, we 3.3.1
[09:02] <BlacKnight|> well rahter
[09:02] <pitti> Tsjoklat: sure, greetings from Matar! :-)
[09:02] <crimsun> no, hoary only has 3.2.2 in universe
[09:02] <thoreauputic> Danko123456: https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/?application={ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
[09:02] <Danko123456> Thank you.
[09:02] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: you can probably just use the debian repos
[09:03] <Tsjoklat> pitti nice! :)
[09:03] <BlacKnight|> or source, eh quad
[09:03] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: coudl do that too
[09:03] <|QuaD-> thats a pain to install from source thoguh
[09:03] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: it's certainly doable to use Debian packages, but you have to be very careful; like I said, when stuff breaks, you get to keep all the pieces
[09:03] <|QuaD-> crimsun: which is why i reccomend against kde
[09:04] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: if you plan to mix sources, make sure you study apt-pinning (man 5 apt_preferences), and pin to a ubuntu flavor
[09:04] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD if you run gentoo.. surely gnome shouldn't be too hard?
[09:04] <BlacKnight|> ok
[09:04] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: its not hard... i used gentoo on a different box for a while
[09:04] <|QuaD-> always loved debian thouth
[09:04] <|QuaD-> *though
[09:04] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: I have a fair amt of experience with it (I pin to sid+experimental and pull in hoary at a lower priority)
[09:04] <|QuaD-> which is why i am here
[09:05] <|QuaD-> crimsun: whats experimental?
[09:05] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD bite the sour apple
[09:05] <crimsun> |QuaD-: the ultra bleeding-edge
[09:05] <BlacKnight|> and how do things usually work out?
[09:05] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: :)
[09:05] <|QuaD-> crimsun: how do you get on that
[09:05] <|QuaD-> lol
[09:05] <crimsun> hello Ubuntu conference attendees!
[09:05] <|QuaD-> crimsun: is that deb or ub
[09:05] <crimsun> lots of *@213.151.107.243, heh.
[09:06] <Tsjoklat> Spain invasion
[09:06] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: just fine.
[09:06] <crimsun> |QuaD-: deb.
[09:06] <BlacKnight|> what have you installed from sid+experi?
[09:06] <|QuaD-> crimsun: ahh
[09:06] <|QuaD-> crimsun: why do you use ubuntu then (out ofcuriosity, not cockyness or arogance)?
[09:07] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: my entire system was sid as a base. At some point in the past year, I began adding experimental packages. When the Warty snapshot was released, I began converting all the Glib, Gtk, and GNOME-related packages to Ubuntu's
[09:07] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: I use pure Ubuntu at work. My home machine is the mutt we're discussing.
[09:07] <crimsun> err, that was to |QuaD-
[09:07] <BlacKnight|> what's more fun, the mutt or work?
[09:07] <|QuaD-> crimsun: ahhhh
[09:08] <BlacKnight|> so i can upgrade to the development hoary right now?
[09:08] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: I wouldn't recommend it unless you live for flux.
[09:08] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: if you want a working system i wouldn't
[09:08] <BlacKnight|> http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/apt_preferences.5.html
[09:08] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: because stuff is expected to fluctuate rather rapidly
[09:08] <BlacKnight|> will that man page do?
[09:08] <Tsjoklat> BlacKnight if you are brave and courageous
[09:08] <BlacKnight|> rightio
[09:09] <crimsun> and honestly, I like challenges, so the mutt's more "fun"
[09:09] <crimsun> Warty's kinda boring. Everything works too well. ;)
[09:09] <BlacKnight|> yeah
[09:09] <BlacKnight|> hahaha
[09:09] <BlacKnight|> nothing in mandrake works "well"
[09:09] <|QuaD-> i don't think they fixed the kde/gnome panel
[09:09] <Tsjoklat> crimsun the whole idea of having a machine that works :P
[09:09] <|QuaD-> yet
[09:09] <|QuaD-> have they?
[09:09] <crimsun> Tsjoklat: precisely
[09:09] <BlacKnight|> ok now what if i want to install firefox v1.0 ?
[09:10] <Tsjoklat> crimsun I run hoary on a dif machine.. and one with kde and hating it lol
[09:10] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: mandrake is a different type of distro
[09:10] <crimsun> Tsjoklat: I can imagine it'd be a beast to maintain
[09:10] <BlacKnight|> how so quad?
[09:10] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: ubuntu+kde
[09:10] <|QuaD-> ?
[09:10] <|QuaD-> that is made for less maintenance, less bleeding edge, everything just there for you
[09:10] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD yeah.... disaster...
[09:10] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: hehe
[09:10] <|QuaD-> yeah
[09:10] <BlacKnight|> i wish this install would finish so i can see whether my /home partition actually exists!
[09:11] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: if you just want mozilla-firefox from hoary, that's doable
[09:11] <BlacKnight|> |QuaD-: no it's not.... nothing works, nothing's there
[09:11] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD it is not my main machine.. was trying things out for a friend that insist on KDE but Lord
[09:11] <BlacKnight|> mdk is all over the place
[09:11] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: i used it 3 years ago, great learning experience
[09:11] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: so how would i go about doing that?
[09:11] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: :)
[09:11] <BlacKnight|> |QuaD-: it's changed much in 3 years
[09:11] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: basically you can either grab the deb manually from the Hoary pool, or you can configure apt-pinning and sources.list
[09:11] <BlacKnight|> ah yes
[09:11] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: ohhh
[09:11] <BlacKnight|> i'm reaiding up on that now
[09:11] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD the biggest thing that pisses me off is synaptic with KDE
[09:12] <topyli> BlacKnight|: if you want firefox 1.0, get the source from hoary and build a warty package on your box
[09:12] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: i don't use synaptic
[09:12] <|QuaD-> i use apt-get
[09:12] <|QuaD-> but whats it do
[09:12] <BlacKnight|> Tsjoklat: why, what's wrong with it?
[09:12] <BlacKnight|> topyli: sounds like fun.. how about using the binary installer mozilla provides?
[09:12] <Tsjoklat> BlacKnight it keep complaining about libgtk libglade missing etc... you can't have kde without gnome so it seems
[09:12] <BlacKnight|> that would make upgradage a pain, right?
[09:12] <Ribs> is there a way of upgradeing the alsa sound modules in the kernel without a kernel upgrade?
[09:12] <Tsjoklat> and I don't use synaptic.. but she does
[09:12] <BlacKnight|> oh yeah
[09:12] <BlacKnight|> i have both kde and gnome on mdk syustemss
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> i would install the libs for both on any system
[09:13] <Tsjoklat> but that defeats the whole purpose of having a GNOME box or a KDE box
[09:13] <|QuaD-> i don't think i have kde's libs
[09:13] <Tsjoklat> in my opinion
[09:13] <|QuaD-> i don't think i have any programs that require them
[09:14] <Tsjoklat> k3b does
[09:14] <Tsjoklat> amarok does
[09:14] <topyli> BlacKnight|: the mozilla installer would work, but your build will have debian integration (/etc/alternatives, plugin dirs) and a gnome-support package :)
[09:14] <crimsun> I love Amarok
[09:14] <BlacKnight|> topyli: rad
[09:14] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: i havne't burned any cds
[09:14] <crimsun> (just discovered it yesterday via an osnews.com article)
[09:14] <BlacKnight|> so crimsun...
[09:15] <|QuaD-> crimsun: i read that
[09:15] <|QuaD-> lol
[09:15] <BlacKnight|> i woudl want ot make an apt_prefs file that looks like this:
[09:15] <|QuaD-> haven't put it on yet
[09:15] <crimsun> Ribs: certainly
[09:15] <|QuaD-> hoary has a messed up gnome now
[09:15] <Strider> i just ordered some ubuntu cd's
[09:15] <Strider> do you really think they are gonna send me 5000 cd's?
[09:15] <|QuaD-> strider :) i have some on order too
[09:15] <BlacKnight|> oh wait i havent figured it out that far yet :P
[09:15] <|QuaD-> Strider: probabl not
[09:15] <Strider> lol, jk
[09:15] <Strider> i only ordered 10
[09:15] <|QuaD-> hehe
[09:16] <crimsun> they're sending you 10
[09:16] <|QuaD-> i ordered 50 x86, 5 ppc, and 20 amd64
[09:16] <Tsjoklat> I only miss amarok
[09:16] <Strider> cool
[09:16] <Tsjoklat> but then I just build that from cvs
[09:16] <CardinalSin> i ordered 10 about 6 weeks ago, haven't heard from them yet.
[09:16] <BlacKnight|> oh, do you knwo how well ati radeons work in ubuntu?
[09:16] <Tsjoklat> I have it working
[09:17] <BlacKnight|> should i install the proprietary ati drivers?
[09:17] <Tsjoklat> 3D and all
[09:17] <Tsjoklat> no
[09:17] <BlacKnight|> rad
[09:17] <Tsjoklat> I didn't
[09:17] <crimsun> Ribs: is there a version you'd like to get?
[09:17] <BlacKnight|> which card do you have though?
[09:17] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: is there a howto like for nvidia on the ubuntu site?
[09:17] <Tsjoklat> worked right out of the box
[09:17] <BlacKnight|> i have a radeon 9600 pro
[09:17] <GoldeNArX> well fellas.. this linux session is done for the day.  i'm gonna place this hd in my main box and work with pqmagic shortly
[09:17] <Tsjoklat> me too
[09:17] <Tsjoklat> same one
[09:17] <BlacKnight|> haven't checked, will do it now
[09:17] <GoldeNArX> thanx for your help all.. it was very appreciated
[09:17] <|QuaD-> GoldeNArX: have fun
[09:17] <GoldeNArX> i'll be back tommorow
[09:17] <GoldeNArX> hehe
[09:17] <GoldeNArX> :)
[09:17] <|QuaD-> ] :)
[09:17] <topyli> GoldeNArX: good luck!
[09:17] <Tsjoklat> BlacKnight I got the same card as you
[09:17] <GoldeNArX> thanx bro..
[09:18] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: do you know of any way to see currently what the developers have done for the day (like a logbook)
[09:18] <|QuaD-> or toplyi if you can answer that
[09:18] <BlacKnight|> rad tsjokolat
[09:18] <Tsjoklat> wike page I would presume?
[09:18] <BlacKnight|> so what drivers does ubuntu use?
[09:19] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: does what i want exist?
[09:19] <Agrajag> DOS drivers, of course.
[09:19] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD hamana?
[09:19] <Ribs> crimsun: Yes. 1.0.5
[09:19] <|QuaD-> hamana?
[09:19] <Ribs> crimsun: or above... That version supports my soundcard... just :)
[09:19] <Ribs> Silent computing isn't how I like to work
[09:20] <Ribs> crimsun: Sorry for the late reply, I wasn't paying attention ;)
[09:20] <crimsun> Ribs: warty at least has 1.0.6a
[09:20] <crimsun> Ribs: and hoary has 1.0.7
[09:20] <Ribs> crimsun: I remember looking this up... The drivers themseleves are only 1.0.5
[09:20] <crimsun> Ribs: they're in 'universe'
[09:20] <Ribs> the tools etc. are 1.0.6
[09:21] <crimsun> Ribs: assuming you have universe in your list, apt-cache policy alsa-source
[09:21] <BlacKnight|> |QuaD-: there's nothing about ati on ubuntuguide.org
[09:21] <BlacKnight|> agra!
[09:21] <BlacKnight|> i shoulnd't have listened to you to install ubuntu
[09:21] <BlacKnight|> :P
[09:21] <BlacKnight|> it's going to waste my entire night
[09:21] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: i don't knwo if there is
[09:22] <crimsun> bah, not a waste :P
[09:22] <Tsjoklat> installing ubu takes twenty mins top
[09:22] <BlacKnight|> oh, i arrived safely by the way.. thanks so much for letting me stay
[09:22] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: i didn't say anyhting about to or not to install it
[09:22] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: lol
[09:22] <Ribs> crimsun: I didn't notice that package. Thanks
[09:22] <Ribs> crimsun: So how do I get those compiled now?
[09:22] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: i don't think ubuntu is the distro for you
[09:22] <|QuaD-> you want kde and UBER bleeding edge
[09:22] <BlacKnight|> |QuaD-: why?
[09:23] <Strider> where can i find a full list of the stuff that is installed with ubuntu?
[09:23] <BlacKnight|> hahah yeah, but i'll figure out a way around that
[09:23] <|QuaD-> both of those are not what ubuntu is aobut
[09:23] <BlacKnight|> phil: what version of firefox are you using?
[09:23] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: you can get around it, but why not try a different distro thats suits you better
[09:23] <BlacKnight|> well it'll be easier for bleeiding edge on ubuntu than it is on mdk
[09:23] <BlacKnight|> like?
[09:23] <crimsun> Ribs: install alsa-source
[09:23] <BlacKnight|> deb?
[09:23] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: true
[09:23] <BlacKnight|> this is pretty much deb?
[09:23] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: you can get away with mepis (kde)
[09:24] <|QuaD-> debian experimental (just learned about this)
[09:24] <crimsun> Ribs: you might need to run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source'; it should do that when you install it, though
[09:24] <|QuaD-> or do somthing like slack
[09:24] <BlacKnight|> ah well, i'll try ubuntu and see what happens
[09:24] <BlacKnight|> i'm only trying it because agrajag recommended it
[09:24] <crimsun> Ribs: then read /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[09:24] <Strider> Does anyone know where i can find a list of the things that are installed with ubuntu?
[09:24] <crimsun> Strider: dpkg -l|more
[09:24] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: i reccomend it to....but it doesn't sound like it suits you
[09:25] <Strider> dpkg -1|more???
[09:25] <Strider> what does that mean
[09:25] <crimsun> it's an "el" not a "one"
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> Strider it means it will tell you what is installed on your box
[09:25] <|QuaD-> Strider: type that
[09:25] <Strider> i dont have ubuntu yet
[09:25] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: i have kde libs on my comp
[09:25] <|QuaD-> not sure how to check what uses them
[09:26] <|QuaD-> then remove them :(
[09:26] <crimsun> Strider: like Tsjoklat said, it tells you which packages are installed on your system
[09:26] <Strider> but on the site it says it comes with 100s of pre-installed programs
[09:26] <|QuaD-> Strider: it does
[09:26] <BlacKnight|> http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/apt_preferences.5.htmlumm what
[09:26] <BlacKnight|> oops
[09:26] <BlacKnight|> what's the defauult root password?
[09:26] <topyli> |QuaD-: try to remove them and see what else would go
[09:26] <crimsun> there is none, BlacKnight|.
[09:26] <crimsun> we use sudo by default.
[09:26] <|QuaD-> topyli: good idea
[09:26] <Strider> dw, found it - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/applications
[09:26] <BlacKnight|> umm so how do i login as root?
[09:27] <|QuaD-> topyli: apt-get remove or aptitude remove
[09:27] <|QuaD-> probably aptitude right/
[09:27] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: sudo -s, but generally the aim is to move away from using the root account
[09:27] <BlacKnight|> oh ok
[09:27] <BlacKnight|> rad
[09:27] <topyli> |QuaD-: whichever you like :)
[09:28] <|QuaD-> topyli: funniest list
[09:28] <topyli> funny how?
[09:28] <|QuaD-> care to look?
[09:29] <topyli> yeah, paste it in #flood
[09:29] <|QuaD-> topyli: www.slovin.us/remove.txt
[09:29] <|QuaD-> thats when itried to remove kdelibs4
[09:30] <topyli> |QuaD-: 404
[09:30] <BlacKnight|> how the hell do i use vi as root?
[09:30] <topyli> BlacKnight|: sudo vi
[09:30] <|QuaD-> topyli: you sure?
[09:31] <topyli> |QuaD-: yep.
[09:31] <BlacKnight|> that doesnt work
[09:31] <|QuaD-> weird... i just tried it
[09:31] <|QuaD-> works fine
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/Release <-- all the packages in warty
[09:31] <BlacKnight|> why doesn't it work for me?
[09:31] <topyli> |QuaD-: http://www.slovin.us/remove.txt is 404
[09:31] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: what?
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> Strider
[09:31] <BlacKnight|> iwhat should i be typing in as the root passwrod?!
[09:31] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: sudo vi  <-- should work.
[09:31] <|QuaD-> topyli: hmmm
[09:31] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: type _your_ password
[09:31] <|QuaD-> that should work
[09:31] <BlacKnight|> ooooh!!
[09:31] <BlacKnight|> hahahah
[09:31] <|QuaD-> crimsun: can you try that page out for me?
[09:32] <|QuaD-> does it work
[09:32] <crimsun> |QuaD-: which?
[09:32] <topyli> |QuaD-: just paste it in #flood
[09:32] <|QuaD-> toplyi posted it
[09:32] <BlacKnight|> can i just sudo mv /home /home_old
[09:32] <BlacKnight|> ?
[09:32] <|QuaD-> topyli: i am in irssi
[09:32] <|QuaD-> can't
[09:32] <BlacKnight|> and hten sudo mount /dev/hda8 /home
[09:32] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: yes
[09:32] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: but make sure nothing on /home is open first
[09:32] <BlacKnight|> should i kill gdm?
[09:32] <BlacKnight|> tell me, is sshd installed by default?
[09:33] <crimsun> gdm shouldn't touch /home
[09:33] <topyli> |QuaD-: oh you're on a console?
[09:33] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: openssh-server.
[09:33] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: no, openssh-server is not installed by default
[09:33] <|QuaD-> yea
[09:33] <crimsun> |QuaD-: that url works fine for me
[09:33] <|QuaD-> topyli: damn Hoary
[09:33] <|QuaD-> crimsun: ok good its his end not mine :)
[09:33] <topyli> crimsun: weird
[09:33] <BlacKnight|> ok ta
[09:34] <Ribs> crimsun: Slight problem now :)
[09:34] <|QuaD-> topyli: i actually know the problem
[09:34] <|QuaD-> or can guess it
[09:34] <Ribs> I've got to here: fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3
[09:34] <|QuaD-> i just changed dns servers
[09:34] <topyli> |QuaD-: you're being censored by the Finnish Gestapo :)
[09:34] <|QuaD-> last night
[09:34] <Ribs> it errors on: configure: error: You have built-in ALSA in your kernel.
[09:34] <|QuaD-> like 36 hours ago
[09:35] <crimsun> Ribs: I presume you rebuilt your kernel w/ ALSA support as "y" instead of "m"?
[09:35] <topyli> |QuaD-: yeah, it might not be complete yet
[09:35] <Ribs> crimsun: no
[09:35] <Ribs> oh wait... it seems if I specify -k7 at the end, it works
[09:35] <Ribs> hrm, odd
[09:35] <crimsun> Ribs: that's not at all odd :)
[09:36] <Ribs> Well, I had one with, and one without the -k7 at the end
[09:36] <Ribs> in /usr/src
[09:36] <crimsun> Ribs: I use: fakeroot ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:36] <Ribs> so I just guessed ;)
[09:36] <Ribs> crimsun: Well, that's just showing off, isn't it? :P
[09:36] <crimsun> Ribs: that way it always compiles against headers for the running kernel
[09:36] <|QuaD-> topyli: try this hold on
[09:36] <crimsun> Ribs: no, it's not showing off. It's gleaned from years of experience
[09:36] <|QuaD-> dslovin.no-ip.com/remove.txt
[09:36] <BlacKnight|> w00t
[09:37] <Ribs> heh heh
[09:37] <BlacKnight|> hello from the new b0xen
[09:37] <Ribs> crimsun: Thanks for the help
[09:37] <crimsun> np
[09:37] <topyli> |QuaD-: nope
[09:37] <BlacKnight|> yaaaay!
[09:37] <Ribs> oh jesus, I have a lot of sound modules loaded
[09:37] <BlacKnight|> my /dev/hda8 exists!
[09:37] <BlacKnight|> oh thank god
[09:38] <BlacKnight|> crimsun, quad, topyli thanks so much for your help
[09:38] <|QuaD-> topyli: i give up
[09:38] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: no prob
[09:38] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: kde or gnome?
[09:38] <BlacKnight|> |QuaD-: i'm sorry for being a dick, i've been pretty stressed out
[09:38] <BlacKnight|> nothing yet quad
[09:38] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: glad to help... don't worry bout it
[09:38] <BlacKnight|> i'll configure everything else first :)
[09:38] <topyli> |QuaD-: well, it's not the most important thing :)
[09:38] <BlacKnight|> you guys are all dudes
[09:38] <|QuaD-> i just reccomend AGANST kde
[09:38] <|QuaD-> even though i love it
[09:38] <BlacKnight|> haha i'll try it anyway
[09:38] <BlacKnight|> i'm addicted to it
[09:38] <BlacKnight|> if it stuffs up, meh
[09:38] <BlacKnight|> i can just reinstall ubuntu
[09:39] <|QuaD-> BlacKnight|: yeah... those first 2 weeks without it were a killer
[09:39] <BlacKnight|> ok so do i just neeed to mkext3fs /dev/hda7?
[09:39] <pisuke> Is it possible to debootstrap ubuntu?
[09:40] <|QuaD-> alright boys... i am out of here
[09:40] <|QuaD-> bed time
[09:40] <|QuaD-> gotta be up in2 hours for a presentation
[09:40] <|QuaD-> night
[09:40] <BlacKnight|> hrmm if i look at the partition table of /dev/hda7, fdisk tells me there isn't one
[09:41] <crimsun> that's because there shouldn't be
[09:41] <crimsun> there should only be one for /dev/hda
[09:41] <BlacKnight|> oh right
[09:41] <BlacKnight|> ok
[09:42] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD night even though I am not a guy
[09:42] <BlacKnight|> hhahaha
[09:42] <BlacKnight|> a female linux user o_O?
[09:42] <BlacKnight|> shock horror
[09:42] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: there is always like 1 girl in the linux chats that bite me in the a$$
[09:42] <|QuaD-> lol
[09:43] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD must have been my lucky day than :P
[09:43] <|QuaD-> hahah yup
[09:43] <|QuaD-> night
[09:43] <BlacKnight|> ok so mke2fs -j /dev/hda7 ?
[09:43] <Tsjoklat> happy sleepers
[09:43] <Agrajag> mke2fs -j more like mkfs.reiserfs
[09:44] <Tsjoklat> don't be shocked BlacKnight..
[09:45] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: for an ext3 partition, yep
[09:45] <BlacKnight|> you reckon use reiser?
[09:45] <crimsun> up to you, really.
[09:46] <BlacKnight|> hrmm brb going to restart bitchx
[09:47] <Ribs> shit
[09:47] <Ribs> it didn't work :/
[09:49] <crimsun> Ribs: where did it fail?
[09:51] <Ribs> crimsun: It's still not finding my sound card
[09:52] <Ribs> so either the drivers I install are too old, or didn't install at all
[09:52] <Ribs> Looks like I'll have to goto kernel 2.6.9, which I wanted to avoid doing
[09:52] <BlacKnight|> hrmmm i have a bit of a problem.. all the files on /dev/hda8 are owned by 501 (my user number on my old mandrake setup)
[09:52] <Tsjoklat> Ribs just patch it with 10-rc3
[09:52] <BlacKnight|> should i just chown ajay:ajay * -R
[09:52] <BlacKnight|> of course, what a silly question
[09:53] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: all?
[09:53] <BlacKnight|> well most of htem
[09:53] <Ribs> Tsjoklat: I wanted to avoid installing my own kernel completely
[09:53] <BlacKnight|> i'm sure there are a few that aren't
[09:53] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: probably not; wouldn't you just want recursively /home/$USER ?
[09:53] <BlacKnight|> but they can go to hell
[09:53] <Ribs> purely 'cos it's a pain in the ass
[09:53] <BlacKnight|> well /home/ajay is more or less the only directory on there
[09:53] <Tsjoklat> Ribs that's the beauty of debian.. they are kick arse when it comes to custom kernels
[09:53] <BlacKnight|> so for all intents and purposes /home or hda8 all refer to /home/ajay
[09:54] <Ribs> Tsjoklat: I'll have to install my own kernel if anything
[09:54] <crimsun> /home should probably still remain 755 root:root
[09:54] <Ribs> warty only goes up to 2.6.8.1
[09:54] <Tsjoklat> Ribs you make a deb package out of kernels.. easy to install with dpkg
[09:54] <BlacKnight|> but all the files therein can belong to me :)
[09:54] <Ribs> Tsjoklat: yeah, I know... I just don't like doing it
[09:54] <crimsun> Ribs: which sound chipset did you tell debconf to build?
[09:54] <BlacKnight|> hrmm it takes a while to chown eveyrhitn
[09:54] <Tsjoklat> Ribs I never run a chewed up already made fast food kernel :)
[09:54] <Ribs> I guess once I get used to it, it'll be okay
[09:54] <Ribs> crimsun: ice1724
[09:54] <Tsjoklat> do you need a site for help?
[09:55] <Tsjoklat> http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INSTALL-KERNEL-PKG
[09:55] <BlacKnight|> another dumb question: what's tempfs?
[09:55] <Ribs> Tsjoklat: yeah, would be nice. I doubt I can remember the process.
[09:55] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: RAM-backed filesystem
[09:55] <Tsjoklat> don't forget to get bzip2 and module-init-tools.. it doesn't say it on the site but other than that.. it works fab
[09:55] <Ribs> is 2.6.10 gonna have any goodies in it?
[09:55] <crimsun> Ribs: snd-ice1724 should work; does it not?
[09:55] <Ribs> I mean, is it worth hitting the RC for it?
[09:55] <Tsjoklat> loads
[09:56] <Ribs> crimsun: yeah, it's loaded
[09:56] <crimsun> Ribs: are you using the correct mixer? (envy...)
[09:56] <Tsjoklat> I got my cpu usuage way down
[09:56] <Ribs> crimsun: but my sound card isn't found
[09:56] <Ribs> it was only supported in 1.0.5a
[09:56] <Ribs> iirc
[09:56] <crimsun> Ribs: so /proc/asound/cards says nothing?
[09:56] <Ribs> root@zeus:~ # cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:56] <Ribs> --- no soundcards ---
[09:56] <Tsjoklat> Ribs that site should have you up and going in a spiffy
[09:56] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: will /dev/hda8 /home defaults 0 0 do for my fstab entry?
[09:56] <Ribs> I know for a fact 2.6.9 kernel supports it
[09:56] <Tsjoklat> can't perform a piss up in a brewery with that
[09:57] <BlacKnight|> sorry, ext3 between /home and defaults
[09:57] <Ribs> but I just didn't want to upgrade it ;)
[09:57] <Tsjoklat> Ribs: be brave :P
[09:57] <Tsjoklat> well Tsjoklat is melting here so night everybody.. be good!
[09:58] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: probably 0 2, but yeah
[09:58] <crimsun> Ribs: did you ensure you only have the _newest_ alsa kernel modules in your modules tree?
[09:59] <Ribs> crimsun: I just followed the guide. How do I check for that?
[09:59] <Kamion> pisuke: sure - you'll need debootstrap from the Ubuntu archive
[09:59] <BlacKnight|> ok rad, and same for /usr?
[09:59] <crimsun> Ribs: just look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/
[09:59] <crimsun> Ribs: make sure there's only one set of alsa modules
[09:59] <BlacKnight|> do i need the errors=remount-ro option?
[09:59] <crimsun> use `find'
[10:00] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: with an ext3 fs, yes, that's a good idea
[10:00] <BlacKnight|> for both home and usr?
[10:00] <Ribs> root@zeus:/lib/modules # ls
[10:00] <Ribs> 2.6.8.1-3-386  2.6.8.1-3-k7
[10:00] <Ribs> That's what's in there
[10:00] <Ribs> and I'm using the -k7 kernel
[10:01] <pisuke> Kamion, thx. Would someone be allowed to create a distro based on a debootstraped ubuntu and distribute it?
[10:01] <Ribs> crimsun: I think I'll just upgrade to 2.6.9
[10:01] <Ribs> It's just easier that way
[10:01] <crimsun> Ribs: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name 'snd-ice1724.ko'
[10:01] <Ribs> root@zeus:/lib/modules # find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name 'snd-ice1724.ko'
[10:01] <Ribs> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko
[10:01] <crimsun> Ribs: and that's it, correct?
[10:02] <Ribs> looks right
[10:02] <crimsun> Ribs: does the timestamp for it match today?
[10:02] <Ribs> Access: 2004-12-09 08:44:38.000000000 +0000
[10:02] <Ribs> Modify: 2004-11-18 14:38:27.000000000 +0000
[10:02] <Ribs> Change: 2004-12-08 22:59:53.000000000 +0000
[10:02] <Ribs> only the access date is today
[10:02] <Ribs> the change date is when I installed it yesterday, I think
[10:03] <Ribs> (it being ubuntu)
[10:03] <crimsun> ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko
[10:03] <Ribs> root@zeus:/lib/modules # ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko
[10:03] <Ribs> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        44234 2004-11-18 14:38 /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko
[10:03] <Ribs> well, that's obviously not today
[10:04] <Kamion> pisuke: yes; though we're in the process of making better tools to do that sort of thing available
[10:04] <Ribs> so obviously there is some sort of cock-up here
[10:04] <crimsun> Ribs: it built a .deb that you dpkg -i'd, correct?
[10:04] <Kamion> the modification time on a file in a .deb doesn't correspond to when you installed it
[10:04] <Kamion> more usually it matches the mtime on that file in the source package, or the time of building
[10:05] <Ribs> ahhhhhhh
[10:05] <Ribs> I can't even rtfm
[10:05] <crimsun> Ribs: and after you dpkg -i'd that deb, you modprobe -r'd the alsa modules and reinserted them, correct?
[10:05] <Ribs> <-- retarded
[10:06] <BlacKnight|> what exactly is lost+found?
[10:07] <bob2> it's for files thet e2fsck finds during checks
[10:07] <BlacKnight|> ah ok
[10:07] <bob2> it'll be empty unless your disk has been corrupted
[10:07] <Ribs> crimsun: okay, so I've dpkg'd it now
[10:07] <Ribs> and removed the sound modules
[10:07] <Ribs> however, that ls -l line you gave me says the same as before
[10:08] <Ribs> is that a concern?
[10:08] <BlacKnight|> hrmm now.. i did sudo cp -a /usr/* /mnt/blah
[10:08] <crimsun> Ribs: run the find command
[10:08] <BlacKnight|> but if i do du -s /mnt/blah, i get a number bigger than du -s /usr
[10:08] <Ribs> we now have two entries
[10:08] <Ribs> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko
[10:08] <Ribs> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/alsa/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko
[10:09] <Ribs> the second one is up-to-date
[10:09] <pisuke> Kamion, thx for the info :)
[10:09] <Ribs> so, here goes nothing
[10:09] <crimsun> Ribs: wait.
[10:10] <crimsun> Ribs: you need to mv the older modules out of the way
[10:10] <Ribs> oops
[10:10] <crimsun> Ribs: (e.g., mv /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/sound /somewhereelse
[10:10] <crimsun> )
[10:10] <crimsun> Ribs: then cp soundcore.ko back over
[10:11] <crimsun> Ribs: then `update-modules'
[10:11] <crimsun> Ribs: then you may reinsert the alsa modules
[10:11] <Ribs> I think I've pissed off the kernel, heh
[10:11] <crimsun> just by `mv'ing files? that seems odd.
[10:12] <Ribs> no, by modprobeing
[10:12] <Ribs> before moving
[10:12] <crimsun> oh, perhaps w/ version clashes, yes.
[10:12] <crimsun> did you get an OOPS?
[10:12] <Ribs> did cat /proc/asound/cards
[10:12] <Ribs> all hell broke loose
[10:13] <Ribs> got 'no soundcards found' thousands of times
[10:13] <crimsun> well, make sure you modprobe -r all the snd* modules
[10:13] <crimsun> make sure you mv the old ones of the way
[10:13] <Ribs> is there an easy way to modprobe -r?
[10:13] <crimsun> and make sure you copy soundcore.ko back over
[10:13] <Ribs> other than typing in all the sound modules?
[10:14] <crimsun> starting from the top of lsmod's output and modprobe -r
[10:14] <crimsun> just the alsa-related ones, which are prefixed with snd-
[10:16] <BlacKnight|> ok i quite like gnome
[10:16] <crimsun> it's nicely configured.
[10:17] <Ribs> crimsun: This just isn't working
[10:17] <Ribs> I think I'll just upgrade the kernel
[10:17] <crimsun> Ribs: ok. Whichever you choose.
[10:18] <Ribs> crimsun: Thanks for your help, and patience, tho.
[10:18] <crimsun> np
[10:31] <Ribs> well, configuring that kernel was about as much fun as chewing on broken glass
[10:37] <BlacKnight|> hrmmmm
[10:37] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: in the ubuntuguide.org site they say to add
[10:37] <BlacKnight|> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[10:37] <BlacKnight|> to sources.list
[10:37] <BlacKnight|> as well as testing and unstable
[10:38] <BlacKnight|> are they debian sources?
[10:38] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: it is an external source for mplayer
[10:38] <topyli> BlacKnight|: they're unofficial
[10:38] <BlacKnight|> and they say to uncomment these:
[10:38] <BlacKnight|>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[10:38] <BlacKnight|> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[10:38] <BlacKnight|> ah rightio
[10:39] <BlacKnight|> oh hehe
[10:39] <BlacKnight|> they're already uncommented silly me
[10:39] <BlacKnight|> is the mplayer source any good?
[10:39] <root_> arg
[10:39] <root_> I just updated to latest 2.6.9
[10:40] <root_> and forgot that there is no nvidia driver for 2.6.9
[10:40] <topyli> BlacKnight|: marillat has mplayer, win32 codecs, acroread, flash plugin, unethical stuff like that
[10:40] <BlacKnight|> ooh fantastic
[10:41] <BlacKnight|> should i add testing, unstable or stable?
[10:41] <Ribs> root_: yeah, you have to build it yourself
[10:41] <BlacKnight|> which is more bleeding-edge, testing or unstable?
[10:41] <Ribs> which is rather annoying
[10:41] <topyli> BlacKnight|: i used the testing source, it might be closest to what warty is
[10:42] <topyli> BlacKnight|: unstable may have newer stuff, but may also depend on libs from unstable
[10:42] <BlacKnight|> ok i'll go testing...
[10:42] <BlacKnight|> oh i might as well try unstable
[10:43] <topyli> BlacKnight|: you can try unstable. if it doesn't work, things will just not be installable
[10:44] <BlacKnight|> ok
[10:44] <BlacKnight|> hrmm i wish i could assign windows key + other key to keyboard shortcuts
[10:44] <BlacKnight|> it just comes up as super_l
[10:45] <altan> Can I check the MD5sum of an entire CD-ROM by going to the directory and just typing "md5sum"?
[10:45] <altan> it's doing something alright, but I'm not sure it's verifying the contents or anything since it's not even reading
[10:46] <altan> also, will an MD5sum be different for a CD-ROM and an iso that I burned the CD-ROM off of?
[10:46] <topyli> BlacKnight|: i use them for window commands like shade, maximize etc.
[10:46] <bob2> altan: you need to do it on /dev/hdc
[10:46] <altan> ah
[10:46] <Kamion> 'md5sum' on its own will wait for input ...
[10:47] <Kamion> same way as just typing 'grep'
[10:47] <BlacKnight|> topyli: how did you set it up?
[10:48] <altan> it should be the same md5 as the iso I burned it from though, yeah?
[10:48] <bob2> yes
[10:48] <topyli> BlacKnight|: in the gnome keyboard shortcuts preferences
[10:48] <BlacKnight|> and you hit windows+blah?
[10:49] <BlacKnight|> for me it just tells me that super_l has been assigned
[10:49] <BlacKnight|> i cant do it in combination with other stuff
[10:49] <topyli> BlacKnight|: well, left win is max, ctrl+l-win is max vertically. like that
[10:50] <altan> I wasn't able to assign Super in combination with anything else. only shift, ctrl, and alt seem to work
[10:50] <topyli> BlacKnight|: yes, they come up as super_l and super_r
[10:50] <topyli> altan: that would be gconf-editor business
[10:51] <root_> damm, Herbert Xu has not create 686 linux-restricted-kernel yet, damm
[10:53] <BlacKnight|> ah ok, i'm sure there's a way to fix it
[10:53] <altan> ouch, I got error processing hda: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error... that sounds kind of bad
[10:53] <spacey`stage> anyone an idea where i can find the part from the base-config that handles the user creation? I apt-get source base-install however it doesnt seem to contain actual configuration scripts
[10:54] <Adrenal> installed nivdia driver
[10:54] <Adrenal> what do i do now?
[10:54] <altan> I'm trying it in the other drive, could just be a drive issue
[10:54] <fabbione> root_: chill down.. Herbert has nothing to do with l-r-m and hoayr
[10:55] <Kamion> spacey`stage: apt-get source shadow
[10:55] <Kamion> spacey`stage: it's in debian/passwd.config
[10:58] <BlacKnight|> so how do i just install a .deb package?
[10:58] <root_> I need a 'services' configurator, can some1 show me 1?
[10:58] <spacey`stage> Kamion, thnx i'll look into it. This is the part which is called during ubuntu installation too?
[10:58] <ctd> BlacKnight|: dpkg -i package.deb
[10:59] <BlacKnight|> ta
[10:59] <Ribs> okay, seems my new kernel doesn't want to play ball
[10:59] <Ribs> it panics on boot
[10:59] <rory__> heh, mine 2
[10:59] <Ribs> it seems I'm missing the initrd line from the menu.lst
[10:59] <Simira> Treenaks, when do you leave tomorrow?
[10:59] <Treenaks> Simira: I think around the afternoon
[10:59] <rory__> nah i had that as well, and it used it, didnt help...
[10:59] <Ribs> I am also missing that initrd file
[11:00] <rory__> cant mount hda1 (ext3)
[11:00] <rory__> even though i compiled ext3 as builtin
[11:02] <Simira> Treenaks: ok, just trying to find some company for the way to Barcelona. But that's at 10:30
[11:03] <Treenaks> Simira: I could go a bit earlier
[11:03] <Kamion> spacey`stage: yes, base-config calls that from lib/menu/passwd
[11:04] <Treenaks> Simira: I need to buy a present for my sister's birthday anyway
[11:04] <imka> hi
[11:04] <imka> how do i set up nat through firestarter? how do i find out what ip i should forward to? i'm trying to share internet with my laptop
[11:05] <spacey`stage> Kamion, ok thnx
[11:07] <ctd> rory__: Why not. :)
[11:07] <imka> how do i set up nat through firestarter? how do i find out what ip i should forward to? i'm trying to share internet with my laptop
[11:08] <BlacKnight|> hrmm synaptic's quite ogod
[11:09] <rory__> actually come to think of it she wouldnt mind at all if it came with Frozen Bubble... she likes that
[11:09] <root_> does anyone know any nice front-end runlevel editor?
[11:10] <Elwood> uhm
[11:10] <Elwood> rcconf?
[11:10] <root_> thx Elwood
[11:11] <root_> nice ncurse program
[11:13] <thoreauputic> root_: a whois suggests you are IRCing as root - why?
[11:13] <BlacKnight|> should sound in ubuntu work by default?
[11:13] <BlacKnight|> i get sounds when i login
[11:13] <BlacKnight|> but now gnome is telling me that there are no mixer elements or something
[11:13] <Ribs> How do I make a initrd file?
[11:14] <Ribs> for the kernel. I think it's the reason I can't boot with it
[11:14] <b_e_n_z> Ribs, mkinitrd?
[11:14] <thoreauputic> root_: you realise IRCing as root is A Really Bad Idea?
[11:14] <rory__> what b_e_n_z said
[11:15] <iz> thoreauputic, it is root_ is that not a nickname?
[11:15] <iz> :)
[11:15] <thoreauputic> iz: that's the nick, but the user name is root as well - I assume he is root
[11:15] <huwr> iz, do a /whois
[11:15] <huwr> And the 'realname' is also root.
[11:15] <iz> argh
[11:16] <Ribs> thanks
[11:17] <BockBilbo> hello
[11:17] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:17] <BlacKnight|> Ribs: mkinitrd
[11:17] <thoreauputic> root_: fix it, please: unless you have a good reason like "pretending" to be root- which I doubt
[11:17] <Kamion> thoreauputic: (of course, IRCing through an ssh port forward can show up wrongly as IRCing as root ...)
[11:18] <BlacKnight|> mkinitrd -o <file> <kernelversion>
[11:18] <thoreauputic> Kamion: do you think that's likely? In some channels he'd be kicked summarily
[11:19] <Kamion> thoreauputic: kicking people for that without questioning is stupid, due to the ssh issue
[11:20] <thoreauputic> Kamion: well, i asked - what is his answer?
[11:20] <Kamion> I am merely making an observation
[11:20] <Kamion> not that I can find the bug now, annoyingly
[11:21] <BockBilbo> do any of you use gdesklets?
[11:22] <Kamion> might have gone away with privsep
[11:23] <iz> BockBilbo, yup i am
[11:24] <BockBilbo> it works ok in ubuntu, right??
[11:24] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:24] <root_> thoreaupautic: hmm, root heh? I dont notice that my KrIRC choose 'root', it's a bug, I gotta to fix it
[11:24] <iz> sure
[11:24] <BockBilbo> great
[11:24] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:24] <iz> you now how to install it?
[11:25] <BockBilbo> well.. i instaled it on debian downloading it from the official site, but i think that its possible to install it via apt
[11:25] <BockBilbo> right??
[11:25] <thoreauputic> root_: are you saying your client automatically assigned that name and you are in fact IRCing as a user?
[11:25] <Adrenal> where is the xf86config located?
[11:25] <iz> BockBilbo, you apt-get install gdesklets gdesklets-data
[11:26] <thoreauputic> root_: if so, you'll get a lot of flames ;-)
[11:26] <rory__> adnans /etc/X11/
[11:26] <rory__> Adrenal even...
[11:26] <Adrenal> lol, thanks
[11:27] <BockBilbo> iz ok
[11:27] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:27] <BockBilbo> just like in debian
[11:27] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:27] <thoreauputic> root_: sorry, you are using xchat - no excuse I'm afraid
[11:27] <Adrenal> ok, what do i replace the nv driver with to use the nvidia one i just isntalled?
[11:28] <neighborlee> Adrenal, 'nvidia'
[11:28] <Adrenal> cheers
[11:28] <root_> thoreaupautic: not really, it's a modified version of xchat, I called it KrIRC
[11:29] <BockBilbo> kanto_so, in what way does krIRC improve XCHAT ??
[11:29] <Adrenal> thanks everyone
[11:29] <ddd> hi...
[11:29] <kanto_so> implementation on Fserver get files
[11:29] <BockBilbo> mmm
[11:30] <iz> mmm BockBilbo :)
[11:30] <kanto_so> so you can download files like doing under GUI
[11:30] <ddd> today i just the ubuntu shipped cd...
[11:30] <BockBilbo> i see kanto_so
[11:30] <kanto_so> AND
[11:30] <ddd> what a nice...
[11:30] <kanto_so> I have a special script
[11:30] <BockBilbo> what for?
[11:30] <kanto_so> so no fserver can detect I'm using GUI downloader
[11:30] <kanto_so> normally they ban u if u use mass-download script
[11:31] <BockBilbo> hehe
[11:31] <BockBilbo> but... do you download stuff from the irc?..
[11:31] <BockBilbo> i normaly dont
[11:31] <kanto_so> hehe
[11:31] <kanto_so> just habbit
[11:31] <BockBilbo> :p
[11:31] <BockBilbo> i see
[11:31] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:32] <BockBilbo> and does krIRC identify nicknames at freenode?
[11:33] <kanto_so> yes, but somehow I break that features in normal xchat
[11:33] <kanto_so> still working on it
[11:33] <BockBilbo> normal xchat has that feature??..
[11:34] <kanto_so> yes, using command
[11:34] <BockBilbo> oh...
[11:34] <kanto_so> oh
[11:34] <BockBilbo> i see
[11:34] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:34] <kanto_so> I just surf to LimeWire.com
[11:35] <kanto_so> they just release new version of Limewire
[11:35] <kanto_so> one of the best MP3 downloader P2P on the world
[11:35] <kanto_so> based on Java
[11:35] <BockBilbo> kanto_so, it seens like kazaa....
[11:35] <kanto_so> so I just copy the link here for all Ubuntu users who lazy to get to the website
[11:35] <kanto_so> http://sales.limewire.com/040903/gc59uxYlbhPoxaBKtyVc3k2dKuillFxf/download/LimeWireLinux.bin
[11:35] <kanto_so> yea
[11:35] <kanto_so> but no ad!
[11:35] <kanto_so> no spam
[11:35] <BockBilbo> you sure???
[11:35] <kanto_so> sure
[11:36] <kanto_so> no spam
[11:36] <kanto_so> and run on Linux!
[11:36] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:36] <BockBilbo> i think im gonna try ut
[11:36] <kanto_so> download using the link I gave
[11:36] <BockBilbo> cause the torrents dont work good for downloading single files
[11:36] <kanto_so> true
[11:36] <BockBilbo> the link you pasted is in spanish?
[11:36] <BockBilbo> ..
[11:36] <kanto_so> Limewire is just the best for MP3 and Adult Video clips (~2k ppl share short AV clips)
[11:36] <BockBilbo> i would like to get an spanish version if it exists
[11:36] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:37] <kanto_so> there is Spanish there
[11:37] <kanto_so> choose in Language
[11:37] <kanto_so> it's multibilingual version
[11:37] <BockBilbo> ok
[11:38] <BockBilbo> kanto_so, where r u from?
[11:38] <kanto_so> Germany
[11:38] <BockBilbo> oh
[11:38] <BockBilbo> ok
[11:38] <BockBilbo> by the way, does limewire use a centralized server?
[11:39] <BockBilbo> or is it uncentralized?
[11:39] <thoreauputic> kanto_so: which would be why your whois shows a .au address ;? ?
[11:39] <kanto_so> hehe
[11:39] <kanto_so> that's the trick dude!
[11:39] <kanto_so> no one use Internet here
[11:39] <kanto_so> I just use Au one
[11:39] <kanto_so> hehe
[11:39] <BockBilbo> austria
[11:40] <kanto_so> close to Germany
[11:40] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: .au is australia
[11:40] <BockBilbo> ohh
[11:40] <kanto_so> au
[11:40] <BockBilbo> :s
[11:40] <thoreauputic> .at is austria I believe
[11:40] <daniels> austria is .at
[11:40] <daniels> yes
[11:40] <kanto_so> no
[11:40] <kanto_so> au
[11:40] <BockBilbo> oh..
[11:40] <BockBilbo> oks
[11:40] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:40] <daniels> no, Australia is .au, and Austria is .at
[11:40] <kanto_so> damm
[11:40] <daniels> i know this because I live in Australia
[11:40] <kanto_so> my host is on
[11:40] <kanto_so> I gotta go off
[11:40] <BlacKnight|> how do i tell dpkg to prompt me before overwrriting files?
[11:40] <BockBilbo> lol
[11:41] <kanto_so> orelse I will be in big trouble
[11:41] <kanto_so> he's one
[11:41] <thoreauputic> kanto_so: sorry, your credibility is now totally shot :)
[11:41] <kanto_so> who I got the net
[11:41] <BockBilbo> well..
[11:41] <BockBilbo> i got a question, what does ca stand for?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> we blew his cover ;)
[11:41] <daniels> BockBilbo: canada
[11:41] <thoreauputic> canada
[11:42] <BockBilbo> oh...
[11:42] <BockBilbo> i see...
[11:42] <BockBilbo> so the last day i visited a canadian site for the first time in my life
[11:42] <BockBilbo> lol
[11:42] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:43] <BockBilbo> well.. im gonna take a shower... ill be back in 5 minutes
[11:43] <thoreauputic> So he was 1) IRCing as root 2)claiming to be 20 000 km from where he actually is ! hah
[11:43] <BockBilbo> hehe
[11:43] <BockBilbo> xD
[11:45] <BockBilbo> welll brb
[11:48] <mirak_> hi
[11:48] <mirak_> there is a bug in hot plug
[11:48] <mojo> excuse me every1
[11:48] <seb128> mirak, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:48] <mojo> ah..
[11:49] <mojo> can some1 help me to confirm this bug:
[11:49] <mirak_> seb128: I can tel you what the problem is, maybe that's not about that
[11:49] <mojo> in Xchat, open a URL (Open in new browser)
[11:49] <weezer_> hi
[11:49] <weezer_> does anyone know a good OCR software for ubuntu?
[11:49] <mojo> and Firefox starts up but STILL using default-theme, not the theme I chose
[11:49] <mirak_> seb128: when I plug my usb printer on the power, the computer freezes
[11:50] <mirak_> seb128: it do that if the usb cable is plugued on the computer
[11:51] <seb128> mirak, no idea on this, probably a kernel bug
[12:18] <Ribs> is it 'kernel-image' or 'linux-image' what I want?
[12:20] <crimsun> Ribs: linux-
[12:21] <tck> anyone here have acccess to the shipit orders ?
[12:27] <cef> tck: no me, but I'm starting to wonder if I'll see CD's before christmas.. *8-(
[12:27] <candyman> I got one yesterday
[12:27] <tck> i dunno, i ordered a batch at the same time as a mate
[12:27] <candyman> a friend received his package already
[12:27] <tck> haven't even gotten a date of shipping
[12:27] <tck> so i updated the profile to be more specific
[12:28] <tck> and wondered did that reset the order date :/
[12:30] <cef> yeah well I added more CD's to mone, but it says that the previous order shipped already by that date. might have confused the system
[12:30] <cef> mone = mine
[12:30] <cef> daniels: you got your CD's yet?
[12:33] <daniels> cef: dunno, I'm not even vaguely close to home
[12:33] <daniels> cef: but unimelb has 1000 i386 CDs -- do you want a few?
[12:33] <BlacKnight|> hrmm how do i find out which package i need to install a piece of software
[12:33] <BlacKnight|> ie, which package do i need for qt3?
[12:34] <cef> daniels: tis cool.. just wondering where mine have gotten to
[12:34] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: libqt3c102, libqt3c102-mt
[12:34] <cef> daniels: but at least 1 of each arch would be nice
[12:34] <BlacKnight|> ok, but how do i find that out for myself?\
[12:34] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: apt-cache search qt3
[12:35] <BlacKnight|> rad, thanks
[12:35] <daniels> cef: unfortunately they only have i386 (they were an early order), but if you go to the new ICT building (on Barry St), and go up to the CSSE (not IS) helpdesk on level 1, you should be able to walk away with i386 Cds
[12:36] <cef> daniels: will keep it in mind... mainly want an amd64 cd for myself.. might need it shortly for my new lappy *grin*
[12:36] <daniels> cef: heh :)
[12:36] <daniels> nice!
[12:36] <daniels> i'm going to head to msy when i get back and grab myself a shiny new amd64
[12:37] <cef> daniels: woo!
[12:37] <BockBilbo> is there a good looking grub interface of ubuntu, just like in fedora???
[12:37] <Ribs> BockBilbo: Why would you want one?
[12:38] <Ribs> You'll only be looking at it's ugly ass for about 3 seconds anyway
[12:38] <BockBilbo> hehe
[12:38] <cef> daniels: amd64 3200+, nvidia chipset, 1G of ram, ATI 9700 Pro w/128M.. not too shabby for a lappy
[12:38] <daniels> nice!
[12:38] <BockBilbo> yes... but well.. i want everything to look great
[12:38] <BockBilbo> :)
[12:38] <Ribs> That's better than the desktop I hope to own one day
[12:39] <|rufius|> BockBilbo: you shouldn't have to see the grub screen... there shouldn't be any rebooting
[12:39] <BockBilbo> lol
[12:39] <BockBilbo> :)
[12:39] <Ribs> |rufius|: Try telling my system that ;)
[12:39] <|rufius|> Ribs: lol
[12:39] <cef> daniels: haven't got it yet tho.. boss wants to buy it, currently waiting on the vendor
[12:39] <Ribs> then again, I've done a lot of kernel fiddleing latley
[12:39] <Ribs> all the reboots have been requested
[12:39] <Ribs> I have one problem left now... x tries to start twice?!
[12:40] <BlacKnight|> ubuntu's fantastic
[12:40] <|rufius|> zac@metis:~ $ uptime
[12:40] <|rufius|>  05:39:38 up 105 days,  8:49,  3 users,  load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00
[12:40] <|rufius|> ^^ see no rebooting
[12:40] <BlacKnight|> although it's going to take me a lot of pissfarting around to get it to work properly
[12:40] <BockBilbo> xDDDDD
[12:40] <BlacKnight|> my record uptime is 257 days
[12:41] <BlacKnight|> then this week there were thunderstorms
[12:41] <BlacKnight|>  10:41pm  up 2 days,  4:18,  2 users,  load average: 0.03, 0.02, 0.00
[12:41] <BlacKnight|> :(
[12:41] <|rufius|> sucks
[12:41] <BlacKnight|> yeah
[12:41] <BockBilbo> :|
[12:41] <BlacKnight|> and that's with mdk!
[12:41] <|rufius|> heh
[12:41] <BockBilbo> this is wied
[12:41] <BlacKnight|> i should install ubuntu on my server too
[12:41] <BlacKnight|> it'll run madleet
[12:41] <cef> daniels: hopefully I can get it before xmas *grin*.. then I can get some serious stuff done for warty during my holidays
[12:41] <BockBilbo> ubuntu has detetected my wifi card
[12:41] <cef> daniels: erm, hoary even
[12:41] <BockBilbo> and in the wiki says
[12:41] <daniels> cef: heh, awesome :)
[12:41] <BockBilbo> that its totally supported
[12:41] <BockBilbo> but, i cannot load it
[12:41] <|rufius|> mdk is good stuff, ive got another server w/ mdk on it thats been up over a year and a half
[12:41] <BockBilbo> :S
[12:42] <BockBilbo> im trying to make it active, but somehow gnome doesnt allow me
[12:42] <BockBilbo> can anyone help me??
[12:42] <BockBilbo> i have an intel pro wireless card, that uses the modules ipw2200
[12:43] <BockBilbo> thanks anyways |rufius|
[12:44] <BockBilbo> :S
[12:44] <Ng> |rufius|: is an uptime of a year and a half a good thing?
[12:45] <Ng> doesn't that mean you've gone 18 months without updating the kernel, at the very least? ;)
[12:45] <|rufius|> Ng: isolated box, doesn't need to be updated for what i do w/ it
[12:45] <Ng> |rufius|: fair enough :)
[12:45] <|rufius|> just a file server and i dont see the point of rebooting it to upgrade its kernel
[12:46] <Ng> |rufius|: there are plenty of people who would have that on the net and be proud of it ;)
[12:46] <|rufius|> cuz it sits on a part of my home network where it doesnt know there's anything outside the little area it lives in ;)
[12:46] <Simira> who's the synaptic manager again...?
[12:46] <Simira> mainentance, I mean
[12:46] <|rufius|> Ng: new users think lots of uptime == l33t, its only l33t if you can justify not upgrading your kernel ;)
[12:47] <bob2> Simira: Michael Vogt aka mvo
[12:47] <Ng> |rufius|: hehe
[12:48] <Simira> thanks bob2
[12:49] <Hikaru79> Ever since I upgraded to Hoary, if I try to put launchers or links or icons on the desktop, or change it's wallpaper, the change doesn't show up until I restart the computer; I understand that Hoary is still new so I'm not going to complain about that. Just gotta ask -- is there a way to manually "refresh" the desktop from the command line?
[12:49] <Hikaru79> The changes DO show up if I do 'ls -al' in the terminal
[12:49] <Hikaru79> Just not graphically
[12:49] <|rufius|> Hikaru79: you try just restarting your x-server to see if changes will show then?
[12:50] <Hikaru79> Yeah, but... won't that close currently-running programs?
[12:50] <|rufius|> yah... but you said restarting also works... so restarting just the x-server is less wrok
[12:50] <|rufius|> im just trying to diagnose a problem, not necessarily provide a solution yet
[12:50] <Hikaru79> Oh, OK
[12:51] <Hikaru79> Hm, line to restart X-Server again? ^ ^;;
[12:51] <|rufius|> /etc/rc.d/gdm restart <--- i think tahts it
[12:51] <Hikaru79> OK, brb in that case
[12:52] <|rufius|> Hikaru79: ./etc/rc3.d/S99gdm restart
[12:52] <bob2> erm
[12:52] <bob2> no
[12:52] <bob2> at worst log out and back again
[12:52] <bob2> you do not need to restart X
[12:52] <Hikaru79> logging in/out will restart X?
[12:52] <Hikaru79> OK
[12:53] <Hikaru79> OK, yup, that worked
[12:53] <Hikaru79> But, is there any better way? Kinda sucks to have to restart just for an icon or wallpaper change >>
[12:54] <bob2> have you filed a bug?
[12:55] <Hikaru79> Nope; I was hoping that a command line existed
[12:55] <Hikaru79> If not, then I guess I'll have to :)
[12:56] <BlacKnight|> anyone home?
[12:56] <BlacKnight|> typically crimson
[12:56] <BlacKnight|> namely crimsun rather
[12:56] <BlacKnight|> :)
[12:56] <BlacKnight|> :F
[12:57] <bob2> it's best to just ask a question instead of chasing someone individually...
[12:57] <BlacKnight|> haah ok
[12:57] <BlacKnight|> to get smp support, do i just apt-get install linux-smp-686
[12:57] <BlacKnight|> ?
[12:57] <crimsun> linux-image-686-smp
[12:58] <BlacKnight|> linux-686-smp rather
[12:58] <BlacKnight|> oh right...
[12:58] <BlacKnight|> what's the diff b/w that and what i've done?
[12:58] <crimsun> "image-"
[12:58] <BlacKnight|> does that have any implication?
[12:58] <crimsun> nope
[12:58] <crimsun> you can use linux-686-smp if you wish
[01:00] <BlacKnight|> excellent
[01:00] <pitti> mh21: ping
[01:01] <BlacKnight|> also, is there a way to use the kde-style mousewheel-over-desktop-changer-switches-desktops thing?
[01:01] <BlacKnight|> aaand how do i edit the gnome menues?
[01:01] <BlacKnight|> menus even
[01:26] <DataTek> Does Shuttleworth ever chat in here?
[01:26] <stvn> yes
[01:26] <thoreauputic> I've seen him once
[01:26] <DataTek> ohh
[01:26] <DataTek> what's his nick?
[01:27] <stvn> sabdlf or something like that
[01:32] <DataTek> so
[01:32] <DataTek> gow do you guys find ubuntu?
[01:32] <DataTek> how
[01:32] <oscarh> friend
[01:32] <rory__> hi DataTek
[01:33] <DataTek> no thats not what i meant
[01:33] <DataTek> hello rory__
[01:33] <port7> ut came in the post
[01:33] <DataTek> nor that
[01:33] <DataTek> i meant: how do you like it?
[01:33] <port7> heh
[01:37] <Hikaru79> DataTek, best distro I've ever tried :)
[01:38] <DataTek> which others did you try?
[01:38] <Hikaru79> Debian, Knoppix HD install, BeatrIX, Slackware, and Mandrake
[01:38] <oscarh> DataTek, i've tried slackware and suse as well.
[01:38] <oscarh> still run slackware on my server(s)
[01:38] <Hikaru79> Mostly debian-based, it seems. Maybe I should give Fedora Core or something a try too
[01:39] <oscarh> but apt-get is a bliss on a desktop
[01:39] <Hikaru79> Heh :)
[01:44] <candyman> what do I burn cds with under ubuntu?
[01:44] <rory__> cdrecord
[01:44] <oscarh> nautilius
[01:45] <oscarh> ?
[01:45] <candyman> any k3b-like app?
[01:45] <candyman> I need to record an ISO to CD
[01:45] <mjr> candyman, just right-click the image in nautilus
[01:45] <oscarh> cdrecord would be good for that
[01:45] <mjr> the rest should be obvious :)
[01:45] <candyman> oh!
[01:45] <candyman> thanks, mjr
[01:46] <jiyuu0> candyman, go check ubuntuguide.org
[01:47] <tim1> hi
[01:48] <tim1> does anybody know in which package the kernel module 'snd-alsa-oss' resides ?
[01:48] <candyman> scary
[01:49] <candyman> I just put all my data in a place where I can't read it
[01:49] <candyman> jiyuu0, thanks
[01:49] <candyman> I am quite new at this, a guide is good
[01:49] <jiyuu0> no prob
[01:53] <__learner__> hello. Good Morning. (if it is now morning where you llive!)
[01:54] <bob2> tim1: it'll have underscores
[01:54] <bob2> and in the linux-image packages
[01:56] <b00gie> any idea how to install nvidia modules?
[01:59] <tim1> mh
[01:59] <tim1> it has now underscores
[01:59] <tim1> but it was the wrong name however
[02:00] <tim1> it's snd-pcm-oss
[02:00] <tim1> but it was in ther kernel-image package
[02:00] <tim1> thanks bob2 :)
[02:01] <b00gie> i cant install nvidia! :(
[02:01] <tim1> has anybody else also problems with updating mono from 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 through apt ?
[02:02] <painiac> b00gie, try the howto on the forum about tweaking your ubuntu installation, that's where i found it
[02:02] <tim1> bOOgie: what's the error ?
[02:03] <b00gie> i use hoary's kernel.. there is no glx modules for 2.9.1 kernelll
[02:04] <rory__> 2.9 kernel?
[02:04] <bob2> b00gie: yes, you'll need to wait
[02:04] <bob2> rory__: he/she means 2.6.9
[02:04] <b00gie> 2.6.9 :)
[02:04] <rory__> lol
[02:11] <sandro> hello
[02:11] <sandro> where can i found an italian ubuntu irc channel?
[02:12] <Riddell> sandro: try #ubuntu-it
[02:12] <sandro> Riddell: thanx,i try now
[02:15] <__learner__> hi, can you tell me how to find a good replacmente for kazaa in linux
[02:15] <jiyuu0> limewire
[02:19] <sval> __learner__ limewire for example
[02:23] <__learner__> tx, I'll try limewire
[02:28] <__learner__> I can't find limeware in the repositories
[02:28] <sval> __learner__ www.limewire.com ... it's a java application
[02:29] <sval> __learner__ not OpenSource
[02:31] <__learner__> thanks
[02:33] <SteveA> sladen: ping
[02:33] <jiyuu0> __learner__, how to install limewire
[02:33] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[02:33] <__learner__> is limeware basic good?
[02:34] <jiyuu0> ok
[02:35] <Triple|5> hello, how do i check my version?
[02:36] <crimsun> Triple|5: ...of?
[02:36] <Triple|5> ubuntu
[02:36] <Triple|5> i upgraded to hoary but i wanna check
[02:36] <crimsun> cat /etc/issue
[02:36] <Triple|5> if i have it
[02:36] <Triple|5> still says warty
[02:37] <crimsun> did you elect to replace /etc/issue during the update of base-files?
[02:37] <crimsun> (and/or /etc/issue.net)
[02:37] <Triple|5> when i hit apt-get update it shows hoary
[02:37] <Triple|5> but when i upgrade or dist-upgrade
[02:37] <Triple|5> it goes fine but then at the end it shows errors on dependencies
[02:37] <crimsun> and what dependencies are those?
[02:38] <Triple|5> im gonna tell u right now, as soon as it shows
[02:39] <crimsun> if they're related to xfonts*transcoded, you need universe in your hoary line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:40] <__learner__> isn't there any good choices to limeware in the repository?
[02:40] <Riddell> __learner__: bittorrent
[02:41] <Triple|5> 1 other question
[02:41] <Triple|5> hoary uses xorg?
[02:41] <crimsun> Triple|5: correct
[02:41] <Triple|5> well the upgrade is almost done , so the dpkg gonna be there soon
[02:41] <Triple|5> showing
[02:41] <thenuke> how is the xorg better?
[02:42] <Triple|5> im wondering because xorg with other distros doesnt work in my linux box, but i have ubuntu on vmware right now and i upgraded to haory before on my linux box and it seems to work, so i guess when the xorg is configured automatically works
[02:42] <crimsun> thenuke: updated drivers, many bug fixes, new features, etc.
[02:42] <catdog> Is there an 'easy' way to see which repository a package is coming from with apt-get/synaptic?
[02:43] <crimsun> catdog: apt-cache policy package
[02:43] <catdog> crimsun: thank ye
[02:43] <crimsun> catdog: the currently installed version is marked with triplicate asterisks
[02:43] <__learner__> bittorrent is really good, but I need something more Kazaa-like. I often use bit-torrent to.
[02:45] <art_illery> hi
[02:46] <catdog> crimsun: of course the correct answer was 'man apt-cache', or 'RTFM, dipshit' :)
[02:46] <sval> __learner__ liwewire is a java gnutella client
[02:46] <crimsun> catdog: neither the time nor the place :)
[02:46] <sval> __learner__ if you want a debian package you could search for gnutella and you will see that mldonkey is also a gnutella client
[02:47] <__learner__> tx.
[02:47] <sval> __learner__ gtk-gnutella exists alsa
[02:47] <sval> __learner__ also*
[02:47] <__learner__> Hey, I installed the JVM, but a program says it is not defined in my path enviroment variable. How can I set it?
[02:49] <sval> __learner__ PATH=$PATH:/.../jre/bin ; export Pathfinder
[02:49] <sval> __learner__ oops
[02:49] <__learner__> thanks.
[02:49] <sval> __learner__ export PATH
[02:49] <__learner__> tx.
[02:49] <__learner__> I'll try it.
[02:49] <sval> __learner__ not Pathfinder ...
[02:49] <__learner__> I understood. Tx a lot
[02:49] <sval> __learner__ add this lines into your .bashrc
[02:50] <sval> __learner__ otherwise you will have to do it for each console each time you log in
[02:50] <__learner__> where is this .bashrc file?
[02:50] <AndreiV> in your home directory
[02:50] <sval> __learner__ in your home directory ~/.bashrc
[02:50] <AndreiV> ~/.bashrc
[02:50] <AndreiV> :)
[02:51] <sval> AndreiV , lol synchro :p
[02:51] <BockBilbo> hello there again
[02:52] <Triple|5> crimsun, here it is
[02:52] <crimsun> Triple|5: use #flood or a paste web site, please
[02:52] <Triple|5> fetcged 265mb in 6ms
[02:52] <Triple|5> no prob
[02:52] <BockBilbo> how do i make xine sound??
[02:53] <BockBilbo> i just installed it, but i cant heard the sound of the dvd's
[02:53] <BockBilbo> :S
[02:53] <sval> BockBilbo check the sound server
[02:53] <sval> BockBilbo do you use esd ?
[02:53] <BockBilbo> i guess so
[02:53] <BockBilbo> ubuntu uses it, right?
[02:53] <sval> BockBilbo yes by default
[02:53] <__learner__> tx. does "~" always means the home dir?
[02:53] <sval> BockBilbo so check in the xine options ...
[02:53] <AndreiV> __learner__: yes
[02:54] <sval> __learner__ that's right
[02:54] <thenuke> __learner__: so you can for example do cd ~
[02:54] <AndreiV> yes, but cd 1
[02:54] <AndreiV> sorry
[02:54] <AndreiV> cd ~ == cd
[02:54] <AndreiV> just cd
[02:55] <__learner__> nice
[02:55] <BockBilbo> sval, im checking them
[02:55] <art_illery> i hope someone could help me with a little trouble i am trying to solve since almost 2 hours with the Synaptic Package manager. It doesnt give any error or anything, yet it doesnt seem to download anything at all. I am starting to think i have mad cow disease *-<8-P=-
[02:55] <art_illery> maybe an NAT problem
[02:56] <sval> art_illery could you precise your problem ? ...
[02:56] <__learner__> does it have another semicolon after "export PATH" -- like "export PATH; ?
[02:57] <art_illery> ok, when i click update Packages, a window appears sazing downloading File 4of4, then it closes again after a few seconds, and back i am at an unchanged screen in the Packet manager reading no pakets to install
[02:57] <thenuke> art_illery: try sudo apt-get update at console
[02:57] <art_illery> k
[02:57] <thenuke> it might give you some hints of the error
[02:57] <sval> do you select any package to be instaled ?
[02:57] <AndreiV> __learner__: no
[02:58] <__learner__> tx. there's semicolon only at the first line.
[02:58] <art_illery> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:58] <art_illery> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:59] <sval> art_illery close synaptic
[02:59] <art_illery> k
[02:59] <art_illery> done
[02:59] <__learner__> So I would add just this "PATH=$PATH://home/romulo/java/j2sdk1.4.2_04/bin/; \n export PATH
[02:59] <__learner__> export PATH
[02:59] <sval> art_illery re-type the sudo command
[03:00] <sval> __learner__ forget the semicolon ... , just type two line
[03:00] <art_illery> reading package list... done it says
[03:00] <__learner__> tx
[03:00] <sval> __learner__ PATH=$PATH:/... for the first one and export PATH at the end of the .bashrc
[03:01] <sval> art_illery art_illery so what's the problem ?
[03:03] <BockBilbo> sval, done
[03:03] <BockBilbo> :)
[03:03] <art_illery> when i open up the Paket Manager and hit Reload it doesnt seem to download anything, and i wanted to download the fxgrl for ATI Radeon Cards
[03:03] <art_illery> like it was described in the ubuntu forums
[03:03] <sval> so ... just select this package in synaptic and click apply
[03:04] <sval> art_illery or just type apt-get install fxgrl in console
[03:05] <art_illery> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:05] <art_illery> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:05] <art_illery> E: Couldn't find package fxgrl
[03:05] <art_illery> that is where i am stuck ;o(
[03:06] <sval> art_illery fxgrl in not in the repository in fact ;)
[03:06] <sval> art_illery apt-cache search fxgrl returns nothing
[03:06] <BockBilbo> hehe
[03:06] <BockBilbo> xD
[03:07] <sval> ttl- nautilus or konqueror
[03:07] <sandro> hello,i would ask if its possible to install xfree 3.3 on ubuntu warty
[03:07] <Ng> 3.3?!
[03:07] <Ng> in theory, sure
[03:07] <sandro> Ng: because i have an old 200mhz notebook
[03:07] <catdog> art_illery: which page are you looking at on the forums?
[03:09] <Ng> sandro: aha. I'm not sure that ubuntu is the best distro for that
[03:09] <art_illery> www.ubuntuforums.org&showthread.php?t=3713 (if i typed it in correctly from the other machine over there *G*)
[03:10] <art_illery> org/show i mean argh, sorrz
[03:12] <catdog> art_illary: do you mean the 'HOWTO: ATI FGLRX 3D Acceleration'?
[03:12] <__learner__> tx, it worked. Now I'm installing Limeware.
[03:12] <catdog> art)illery: It's okay. I've got it
[03:12] <__learner__> Is there anything like karamba for gnome?
[03:13] <art_illery> no, its the HOWTO:Tweaking Ubuntu after your first installation by ubuntu-geek
[03:13] <sval> __learner__ gdesklets
[03:13] <art_illery> sorry, if i react somewhat late some times, i am doing lots of things simultaneously here
[03:13] <catdog> art_illery: Don't you mean the fglrx package?
[03:13] <catdog> art_illery: it#s cool
[03:15] <art_illery> problem is, i cant install Linux-686 because it also doesnt find it
[03:15] <art_illery> and then i stopped there in the guide and tried to figure out, whz it didnt find it
[03:16] <catdog> art_illary: one thing at a time ;)
[03:16] <catdog> art_illary, oh I see, okay
[03:16] <sval> art_illery what's linux-686 ?
[03:17] <miss_pari> is ubuntu based on i686 platform?
[03:17] <catdog> art_illary: I think 'linux-image-686' is the one you want.
[03:18] <art_illery> catdog, are you also reading the ubuntu Forum guide?
[03:18] <art_illery> i mentioned
[03:18] <spo> hi
[03:19] <spo> how are you all doing<
[03:19] <spo> ?
[03:19] <catdog> art_illery: yeah, I'm on it. It says 'sudo apt-get install linux-686', and your saying that's not working, right/
[03:19] <art_illery> yep
[03:20] <spo> anybody from czech republic?
[03:20] <__learner__> tx a lot
[03:20] <markus__> Hi. I don't have any access to the sound-device (e.g. volume control), though the corresponding user is in the group "audio". I have a board with the "nVidia nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler" chipset. Is this supported by Ubuntu? Or do I have to install the nVidia nForce drivers?
[03:20] <BockBilbo> where are the gdesklets installed when downloading them from apt??
[03:21] <BockBilbo> i mean.. the gdesklet data
[03:21] <sval> BockBilbo , /usr/share/gdesklets i think
[03:21] <BockBilbo> thank you
[03:21] <catdog> art_illery: goto (in synaptic) menu settings > Resositories, and check you've got 'Warty restricted' enabled (you may have to scroll the box to the right)
[03:21] <markus__> BockBilbo, you can see which files a package offers by running "dpkg -L <package-name>". (Or in Synaptic too...)
[03:22] <catdog> art_illery: s/Res/rep sorry typo city today!
[03:22] <art_illery> np
[03:23] <nyu> hi
[03:23] <nyu> anyone in the meeting in mataro?
[03:24] <Kinnison> many of us :-)
[03:24] <nyu> (or any channel for the meeting?)
[03:24] <Simira> of course
[03:24] <Simira> we're all here
[03:24] <BockBilbo> i would love to go to the meeting
[03:24] <nyu> nice.  are there any talks planned today or something?
[03:24] <BockBilbo> why is it hold in catalunya?
[03:25] <nyu> dunno, but makes it easy for me to attend =)
[03:25] <nyu> (half an hour on train)
[03:25] <__learner__> there is also no gdesklets in the repository.
[03:25] <Kinnison> nyu: Please feel free to turn up.
[03:25] <BockBilbo> :)
[03:25] <nyu> Kinnison: stand up?
[03:25] <nyu> ok
[03:25] <catdog> art_illery: Then 'Edit >> Reload Package List'
[03:25] <BockBilbo> i would love to go too...
[03:25] <spiv> nyu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConfAgenda
[03:25] <Kinnison> nyu: In half an hour's time there's a New Maintainer talk
[03:26] <Kinnison> nyu: then a languagepack talk, then one on python
[03:26] <Kinnison> nyu: after dinner we have a card-games bof
[03:26] <nyu> Kinnison: cool. isaac clerencia is sitting near me and 'll probably be interested
[03:27] <nyu> spiv: thx
[03:27] <catdog> art_illery: if that doesn't work you've probably got internet connection problems.
[03:28] <art_illery> hmmm, interesting, i have 7 choices there, and one is enabled, but it is only a CD-ROM URI. the other Internet URIs are not enabled. mazbe thats the problem?
[03:28] <art_illery> maybe
[03:29] <catdog> art_illery: most likely. For now just enable 'warty: main restricted' and 'warty-security: main restricted'.
[03:29] <ruebe> hi to all
[03:31] <art_illery> with warty:main restricted you mean the options reading main restricted in the sections Column
[03:32] <catdog> art_illery: exactly
[03:32] <art_illery> ok
[03:33] <catdog> art_illery: then, once you reloaded the package list (in the edit menu), it'd probably be a good idea to upgrade everything.
[03:33] <__learner__> how can I install Gdesklets?
[03:33] <art_illery> i suppose i dont really need the choices reading deb-src, as those would be the source files to compile myself, which isnt what i want right now, right?
[03:34] <catdog> art_illery: Not really sure. No harm in selecting them
[03:34] <sval> __learner__ maybe ... sudo apt-get install gdesklets ...
[03:34] <catdog> __learner__: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3012
[03:34] <sval> __learner__ i think it's a good idea :d
[03:35] <__learner__> tx
[03:35] <Simira> *feels clever*
[03:35] <__learner__> sorry for that, I haven't seen it on the repositories.
[03:36] <sval> __learner__ add the universe and multiverse repository then
[03:36] <catdog> desklets is in universe
[03:36] <__learner__> tx.
[03:36] <__learner__> Now it's working. Sorry, it was my mistake.
[03:38] <art_illery> wow, it downloaded something hurray! Thanks a billion catdog. i cant imagine it was that simple. i was really getting my head broken, trying to set up an HTTP Proxy on my other Linux machine just for letting Synaptic connect. I wouldnt have imagined my problem to be that simple. ;oP
[03:40] <catdog> art_illery: np. You know now :) You'll probably want to enable universe and/or multiverse sometime in the future, to get a few good things - but ubuntu doesn't support packages taken from universe/multiverse.
[03:41] <art_illery> ok, thank you for your kind support
[03:42] <invitro> Hi, does anyone know what have happened to the mono packages? I was to install them but they seem to have got stuck in circling dependencies? Could the cause be that the maintainers are updating them at the moment?
[03:42] <Tzalidar> joing #fedora
[03:42] <Tzalidar> gah
[03:42] <zerokarmaleft> invitro, are you running warty or hoary?
[03:43] <invitro> zerokarmaleft: hoary.
[03:43] <zerokarmaleft> invitro, i believe the package update is in progress...some packages on the repos are still 1.02
[03:44] <zerokarmaleft> invitro, 1.04 was just released yesterday and i'm running warty, so i just built it from the source tarballs
[03:44] <invitro> zerokarmaleft: ah, that probably explains it. thanks.
[03:52] <imka> hey
[03:53] <imka> how can i copy complete directories to my local machine using sftp? i can copy files but not dirs
[03:54] <nyu> imka: try scp -r
[03:55] <BockBilbo> where is the path file in ubuntu???
[03:55] <imka> nyu what's the syntax?
[03:55] <rory__> ?
[03:55] <rory__> theres a bunch of them really
[03:56] <nyu> imka: info scp || man scp
[03:56] <Synek> imka: scp -t user@host:directory directory
[03:56] <Synek> -r
[03:56] <Synek> ;)
[03:57] <samurai> morning all
[03:57] <wood1> Hello to all
[03:57] <Synek> hi ho :)
[03:58] <Simira> good bof to all
[03:58] <wood1> How do I install the kernel 2.6.8.1-3.686  ???
[03:58] <wood1> I am currently using kernel 2.6.8.1-3.386
[03:58] <Synek> And?
[03:58] <Tzalidar> wood1, sudo apt-get install linux-686
[03:58] <thoreauputic> wood1: why do you need to change?
[03:59] <Tzalidar> because the 686 is more optimized for p4 p3 and such
[03:59] <BockBilbo> do anyone know where is the path file in ubuntu???
[03:59] <wood1> Well I seemed to get a speed improvement when using linux-686
[03:59] <Synek> wood1: i guess you want some customized kernel?
[03:59] <thoreauputic> Tzalidar: the difference is negligible
[03:59] <Tzalidar> :)
[03:59] <wood1> Well, yup
[04:00] <thoreauputic> wood1: it's called the placebo effect ;)
[04:00] <wood1> that's it:  apt-get install linux-2.6.8.1-3.686    ????
[04:00] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, do you know where it is?
[04:00] <wood1> what's the apt-get command ?
[04:01] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: "it" depends. There are several possibilities
[04:01] <__learner__> is it that easy to change the kernell?
[04:01] <Tzalidar> __learner__, yes
[04:01] <catdog> plus a reboot ;)
[04:01] <wood1> Well, what is the command to install the 686 kernel. I forgot
[04:01] <BockBilbo> see.. i want to add the bin directory of j2sdk to the path of the system
[04:01] <samurai> wood1: if you have apt-cache installed you can "apt-cache search kernel|grep 2.6" this will give you all the options available. Select the one you want and "apt-get install appropriate-kernel-name"
[04:02] <samurai> apt-cache command, I mean
[04:02] <BockBilbo> in order to be able to use all the j2sdk programs
[04:02] <Tzalidar> wood1, it is an administrative tool for installing applications on debian/ubuntu or any apt-get enabled distro :)
[04:02] <markus__> According to the Ubuntu-Wiki, the nForce2-Audio-chip is supported via the intel8x0 driver. The module "snd_intel8x0" is loaded, but I can't get any access to the device? Any idea?
[04:02] <thoreauputic> wood1: why noyt just find it in synaptic? click and you are done
[04:02] <thoreauputic> *not
[04:02] <BockBilbo> i know that there was a file in debian where y ou could just add some words to the path line in order to add the directory to the path
[04:02] <Tzalidar> BockBilbo, did you use the Java guide in the ubuntu wiki?
[04:02] <samurai> you will also need to put a sudo in front of the apt-get install command
[04:02] <wood1> well I installed the 686 kernel from the command prompt. I just forgot the kernel source name
[04:02] <BockBilbo> Tzalidar, i did
[04:02] <nyu> any toolchain hacker in the cristal room i can bother with ada frontend questions? =)
[04:03] <Tzalidar> because when i did it it did that from start
[04:03] <BockBilbo> but thats just for jme
[04:03] <Tzalidar> hmm strange
[04:03] <BockBilbo> i need j2sdk
[04:03] <BockBilbo> ;)
[04:03] <BockBilbo> develpment kit
[04:03] <Tzalidar> yes, i did it with jsdk 1.5.0
[04:03] <BockBilbo> ohh
[04:03] <Tzalidar> and it worked like a charm
[04:03] <samurai> does anyone know where the circular cursor is defined... Then one with the dots moving around its edge showing activity?
[04:03] <__learner__> What are the real changes made to java 5
[04:03] <Tzalidar> or j2sdk 1.5.0 or whats it called :)
[04:03] <__learner__> ?
[04:03] <BockBilbo> see... i tried the 5thmethod
[04:03] <Tzalidar> __learner__, i believe they are MANY :)
[04:04] <BockBilbo> which consists on the java-virtual-machine-dummy
[04:04] <BockBilbo> did you tried that?
[04:04] <Tzalidar> __learner__, SWING has gotten an upswing :), the metal theme is more sleek and i think that overall performance is very good
[04:04] <Tzalidar> okay, i used the second
[04:05] <art_illery> cya l8er
[04:05] <BockBilbo> oh...
[04:05] <BockBilbo> see.. i just need to modify the path
[04:05] <BockBilbo> thats how i made it last time
[04:05] <BockBilbo> in debian
[04:05] <Kamion> wood1: somebody already told you above
[04:05] <Kamion> 14:58 < Tzalidar> wood1, sudo apt-get install linux-686
[04:06] <samurai> Kamion: I just looked the kernel name would be linux-image-2.6-686
[04:06] <wood1> Thanks Kamion
[04:06] <catdog> linux-686 also exists
[04:06] <Kamion> samurai: there are a number of metapackages for various purposes.
[04:06] <wood1> But I installed the 686 Kernel from a different approach, I mean a different name
[04:07] <zerokarmaleft> samurai, that's just the kernel image isn't it? i think linux-image is a metapackage to install modules as well
[04:07] <Tzalidar> yes, that works also
[04:07] <Kamion> zerokarmaleft: no, not just the kernel image
[04:07] <zerokarmaleft> samurai, linux-xxx i mean
[04:07] <Kamion> linux-686 includes restricted modules
[04:07] <samurai> good point
[04:07] <Tzalidar> well, i dist-upgraded my hoary into brokeness
[04:07] <Tzalidar> think i'll be going back to warty
[04:07] <zerokarmaleft> Kamion, like the nvidia drivers for instance?
[04:08] <Kamion> zerokarmaleft: right, or madwifi, or whatever
[04:08] <zerokarmaleft> ic
[04:08] <Kamion> free modules are in the main linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686 package though
[04:08] <wood1> Oh yes I did it by:  apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-3.686
[04:08] <Kamion> wood1: change the last . to a -
[04:09] <samurai> BockBilbo: Have you just tried modifuing the path in /etc/profile?
[04:09] <wood1> what is the difference between: apt-get install  linux-686 and pt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-3.686  ?
[04:09] <wood1> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-3.686
[04:09] <wood1> ???
[04:09] <Kamion> the second one is persistently misspelled?
[04:10] <Kamion> 15:07 < Kamion> linux-686 includes restricted modules
[04:10] <thoreauputic> wood1: you apt-get a package, not a deb
[04:10] <BockBilbo> samurai, i havent
[04:10] <BockBilbo> im gonna try first modifying bashrc
[04:10] <wood1> Are they the same commands ???
[04:10] <Kamion> no, they are not
[04:11] <Kamion> I have already told you twice that linux-686 includes restricted kernel modules as well
[04:11] <samurai> BockBilbo: that would work and localize the changed to you, in case you don't want them available to others that might want to use your system
[04:12] <__learner__> Really? What about compatobility with old java prgs? Are they compatible? Do they bennefit from that performance increase?
[04:12] <BockBilbo> ok
[04:12] <BockBilbo> samurai, im gonna do what you said
[04:12] <BockBilbo> just add it to /etc/profile
[04:12] <Ribs> hrm
[04:13] <wood1> How do I install openMosix in Ubuntu ?
[04:13] <Kinnison> Ribs: what are you doing?
[04:15] <Ribs> Kinnison: Well, it appeared to just be wine, and cedega at first
[04:15] <Ribs> now I've noticed that glxinfo and glxgears are having the same problem
[04:15] <Ribs> So I'm thinking it's the Nvidia module
[04:15] <BockBilbo> well
[04:15] <BockBilbo> thanks
[04:15] <BockBilbo> gtg
[04:15] <BockBilbo> bye!
[04:15] <wood1> Amaranth, are you there ?
[04:15] <Kinnison> Ribs: Aaah nvidia or nv?
[04:16] <Amaranth> wood1: Yeah
[04:16] <Ribs> nvidia
[04:16] <Ribs> ahhh
[04:16] <wood1> How do I install the openMosix in Ubuntu ?
[04:16] <Ribs> I've installed manually, but not taking out the modules from Synaptic
[04:17] <Amaranth> wood1: No clue.
[04:17] <Amaranth> I've never touched it.
[04:17] <wood1> Well it's OK
[04:17] <Amaranth> I don't think Ubuntu would be a good distro for clustering.
[04:17] <Kinnison> Amaranth: why not?
[04:17] <wood1> Well it's worth giving it a try
[04:17] <wood1> I am just experimenting
[04:17] <wood1> No harm
[04:17] <Amaranth> Kinnison: It's meant for a desktop, certain things are setup in ways that wouldn't be the best for a server.
[04:18] <Kinnison> Amaranth: you can make a server install of ubuntu
[04:18] <Kinnison> Amaranth: all our servers run it :-)
[04:18] <Amaranth> yikes
[04:18] <Simira> Amaranth: it's not spesifically made for being a desktop
[04:18] <zerokarmaleft> why
[04:18] <zerokarmaleft> there's so much stuff a server doesn't need
[04:18] <zerokarmaleft> X, for instance
[04:18] <Amaranth> yeah, like X and GTK :P
[04:18] <Kinnison> X is in the *DESKTOP* install
[04:18] <Simira> Amaranth: it's made for having the possibilities of a desktop, but it's also a server tool
[04:19] <Kinnison> you can make a *SERVER* install
[04:19] <Simira> yup
[04:19] <Amaranth> How? The default install automatically setups up a desktop.
[04:19] <zerokarmaleft> ditto, my curiosity is now piqued
[04:19] <Kinnison> I believe it's an argument to the installer
[04:19] <Kinnison> Kamion would know more
[04:20] <Amaranth> Should have an ubuntu-server metapackage. ;)
[04:20] <Kinnison> what do you want installed on a server?
[04:21] <Amaranth> Good question. :P
[04:21] <wood1> Well I think that there is an option to install Ubuntu as a Server during the 1st Phase of installation
[04:21] <__learner__> Is there any way to install apache-PHP-mysql combo in ubuntu?
[04:22] <Amaranth> yes
[04:22] <Amaranth> apache 1 or 2?
[04:22] <__learner__> Or Will I need to install all of them separately
[04:22] <Tzalidar> i think that you append "custom" as a boot parameter
[04:22] <Tzalidar> sudo apt-get install apache php4 mysql-server
[04:22] <bob2> __learner__: sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server libapach2-mod-php4 php4-mysql
[04:22] <Tzalidar> i beleive that ubuntu defaults to apache2
[04:22] <Amaranth> Tzalidar: You forgot one.
[04:22] <Tzalidar> :)
[04:22] <Tzalidar> the rest are installed as dependencies :)
[04:22] <__learner__> don't know the difference... I will make a page to put on another web server, so I think I need the most used one.
[04:22] <bob2> no they're not
[04:23] <Tzalidar> hmm perhaps not php4-mysql but anyways :)
[04:23] <Amaranth> Tzalidar: libapache2-mod-php4 isn't installed with your command.
[04:24] <Kamion> Amaranth: boot with 'custom'. it's in the documentation
[04:25] <Kamion> Amaranth: (as in, type 'custom' at the boot prompt)
[04:25] <Amaranth> yeah
[04:25] <__learner__> I need an apache version that is compatible with the version of a hosting service server? The version will interfere with that?
[04:25] <Amaranth> well, i'm not making a server, just wondering
[04:25] <PyGuy> Hello
[04:25] <bob2> __learner__: maybe yo ucould explain what you're trying to do?
[04:25] <Amaranth> __learner__: Unless you are messing with Apache config stuff and not just PHP the version doesn't matter.
[04:25] <PyGuy> Does anyone know in how many days/weeks Ubuntu CDs are packaged and mailed?
[04:26] <mjg59> PyGuy: Various batches have been done
[04:26] <Amaranth> It says on the site.
[04:26] <Kamion> I called it custom because it doesn't contain any extra server bits; it's just the base system
[04:26] <__learner__> I just need to install apache-php-mysql do create and test the page during development. I don't need to use it as a server for other people.
[04:26] <PyGuy> mjg59, are you notified when your pack is sent out? Or do you just have to "wait it out"?
[04:26] <Amaranth> Kamion: I ended up with the base system in a different way. ;)
[04:26] <bob2> PyGuy: depends when you ordered...up to 6 weeks depending if you ordered just after a batch went out
[04:26] <Amaranth> The installer failed while getting the ubuntu-desktop package
[04:26] <samurai> did anyone think of where the circular cursor is defined under gnome2.8 Looked through gconf and not been able to find it... any suggestions?
[04:26] <bob2> PyGuy: the shipit site will show you if they've been dispatched
[04:27] <Kamion> Amaranth: in warty?
[04:27] <PyGuy> Okay, thanks guys
[04:27] <mjg59> PyGuy: If you log into the site, you should be able to find out what batch you're in
[04:27] <Amaranth> Kamion: Yeah, I don't remember what I did to it though.
[04:27] <Amaranth> I was trying to abuse it and I succeeded.
[04:27] <mjg59> If it hasn't shipped yet, it's not currently possible to find out how long it'll be as far as I know
[04:27] <PyGuy> bob2, do you mind I ask, if you're a paid developer for Ubuntu?
[04:28] <bob2> PyGuy: I work canonical, but not on Ubuntu
[04:28] <bob2> er, "work for Canonical"
[04:28] <Amaranth> Kamion: I think I actaully just hit Ctrl-C while it was installing. ;)
[04:28] <zerokarmaleft> Kamion, an ubuntu LAMPP bare-bones server setup would be cool
[04:28] <PyGuy> bob2, good to see :)
[04:28] <Kamion> zerokarmaleft: would make a good derivative distro
[04:32] <deego> hi everyone, how easy is it to go back and forth betwen debian (which i currently use) and ubuntu? just a matter of tweaking apt's sources.list?
[04:33] <__learner__> so I just need to: sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server libapach2-mod-php4 php4-mysql and then get the libapache2-mod-php4  on synaptic
[04:33] <__learner__> ?
[04:34] <Amaranth> err
[04:35] <Amaranth> sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql
[04:35] <Amaranth> that should cover it
[04:35] <__learner__> tx a lot
[04:35] <__learner__> will I need to change config files of them in order for it to work?
[04:37] <__learner__> is there any dreamweaver like editor for linux.
[04:39] <BockBilbo> hello again
[04:40] <__learner__> All I wnat is to draw tables with the mouse.
[04:40] <__learner__> wnat=want
[04:42] <thoreauputic> __learner__: well mozilla composer does tables with point and click, although I guess you have to input the occasional number
[04:43] <|QuaD-_> __learner__: nvu is supposed to be uber nice
[04:44] <thoreauputic> __learner__: I don't know dreamweaver, but moz composer is wysiwyg and OK - it even produces compliant htnl
[04:44] <ddd> yeah mozilla composer can do that but i'd rather used bluefish
[04:44] <thoreauputic> er html....  nvu is based on it
[04:45] <|QuaD-_> thoreauputic: yeah... i actually haven't used either (i use bluefish) but i hear nvu is pretty nice
[04:45] <thoreauputic> ddd: bluefish is probably more extensible and suited to people who know a bit of html
[04:45] <deego> hi, excuse me if i got things wrong -- "universe" has no securtiy support, right?
[04:46] <|QuaD-_> deego: they have NO support what so ever
[04:46] <deego> ok, thanks |QuaD-_
[04:46] <ddd> thoreauputic: of couse it's me a flexible way to both html and php
[04:46] <thoreauputic> |QuaD-_: I have an early version of NVU - it's very similar to moz composer, but I would assume later versions are more polished
[04:47] <|QuaD-_> thoreauputic: how many versions have been released?
[04:48] <__learner__> tx
[04:48] <thoreauputic> |QuaD-_: don't know - mine is about 0.2 but I think i'ts up to 0.6 or so now
[04:48] <__learner__> I'll talk to you latter. I gpotto go. Tx again for all the help!
[04:48] <|QuaD-_> lol... yeah that is old
[04:48] <|QuaD-_> __learner__: :)
[04:48] <|QuaD-_> __learner__: what app were you concerned about
[04:49] <ddd> is nvu on warty ?
[04:49] <|QuaD-_> ddd: no, not hoary etih
[04:49] <|QuaD-_> *either
[04:49] <deego> sorry for being thickheaded: so if i had gpdf from universe, or something else installed, and there was a vulnerability discovered, an apt-get upgrade wouldn't fix my install, right?
[04:50] <thoreauputic> ddd: I think there's a howto on installing it on the ubuntu site somewhere
[04:50] <ddd> yeah i'm look at ...
[04:50] <|QuaD-_> deego: it will
[04:51] <|QuaD-_> deego: as long as a fix was made
[04:51] <|QuaD-_> deego: they just don't support any universe apps
[04:51] <deego> |QuaD-_: thanks
[04:52] <|QuaD-_> deego: i have never had a problem, esp cuz ubuntu shouldn't be used on a production machine
[04:52] <Gomez> Hi Everyone
[04:53] <Gomez> I have a small problem
[04:54] <|QuaD-_> Gomez: if you don't state it we don't care :)
[04:54] <Gomez> I have 2 NTFS partions on my dual boot Win/Ubuntu system
[04:54] <|QuaD-_> there you go :)
[04:54] <Gomez> I cannot seem to get USER access to either
[04:54] <Tzalidar> use a umask
[04:54] <Tzalidar> like umask=0
[04:55] <Gomez> In FSTAB????
[04:55] <Tzalidar> yup
[04:55] <Tzalidar> as a option
[04:55] <Gomez> Cheers
[04:55] <thomerz> hi, i've a problem, i have no text in my flash in firefox
[04:55] <Gomez> You are a gent:)
[04:55] <Tzalidar> i dont know how that setting is from a security perspective
[04:55] <ddd> the common problem from my friends since i've distributed the free warty cd to them is about howto configure the sound device
[04:55] <Tzalidar> but it works
[04:55] <|QuaD-_> ddd: help them out :)
[04:55] <Tzalidar> ddd, do they have multiple sound cards?
[04:56] <ddd> |QuaD-_ :as far as I can :)
[04:58] <ddd> some use onboard soundcard
[04:58] <Tzalidar> okay
[04:59] <ddd> something like AD198* chipset
[05:00] <ddd> from asus mainboard
[05:00] <L1nX> Lo all
[05:00] <BockBilbo> is it possible to upgrade openoffice.org in ubuntu from 1.1.2 to 1.1.3???
[05:00] <L1nX> I have a technical query abput Ubuntu's Live CD if anyone is awake/here
[05:01] <|QuaD-_> Linsure
[05:01] <|QuaD-_> BockBilbo: warty or hoary?
[05:01] <L1nX> I can only run it on 640x480 res on my Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop
[05:02] <BockBilbo> warty
[05:02] <bob2> L1nX: please file a bug with the output of 'lspci', 'lspci -n' and 'dmesg'.
[05:02] <L1nX> is there anyway to change it to at least 800x600 now or something?
[05:02] <|QuaD-_> BockBilbo: warty is frozen
[05:02] <|QuaD-_> bob2: you are a developer right?
[05:02] <Gomez> Tzalidar: Thanks... All working.
[05:03] <BockBilbo> |QuaD-, is that why i cannot upgrade??
[05:03] <bob2> |QuaD-_: I work for canonical but not on ubuntu
[05:03] <bch> \part
[05:03] <|QuaD-_> BockBilbo: kinda..... they only upgrade for security reasons (i think)
[05:03] <bob2> BockBilbo: warty will not get a new version of openoffice, sorry
[05:03] <|QuaD-_> bob2: maybe you can still answer my question
[05:04] <|QuaD-_> bob2: do the developers keep any sort of public log books
[05:04] <|QuaD-_> to show what they are workign on?
[05:04] <BockBilbo> so..
[05:04] <bob2> |QuaD-_: ubuntu-devel@lists.u.o and http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/ basically
[05:04] <BockBilbo> what do i have to change in the sources.list to change to hoary ??
[05:04] <bob2> (it's being discussed right here now)
[05:04] <BockBilbo> just delete warty and add hoary???
[05:05] <bob2> BockBilbo: change 'warty' to 'hoary'
[05:05] <Kamion> |QuaD-_: thanks for bringing that up, Mark says "that's a really good point"
[05:05] <BockBilbo> ok
[05:05] <|QuaD-_> Kamion: what is?
[05:05] <BockBilbo> just like in debian
[05:05] <Kamion> |QuaD-_: we do keep private logs, but hopefully we'll be turning those into public weblogs soonish
[05:05] <|QuaD-_> bob2: but they don't have like a log book on what they are working on for the day or something?
[05:05] <|QuaD-_> Kamion: :)
[05:05] <catdog> BockBilbo: I would say only go to hoary if you really need to though...
[05:05] <|QuaD-_> Kamion: thanks
[05:06] <|QuaD-_> BockBilbo: remember, if you go to hoary, things will break (my system won't boot x now)
[05:06] <L1nX> Could I change the XFree configuration. I will have to edit it every restart though. How could/should I do that?
[05:06] <BockBilbo> mmm
[05:06] <BockBilbo> :s
[05:06] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:06] <BockBilbo> ok...
[05:07] <|QuaD-_> and no one can fix it yet (i don't htink)
[05:07] <BockBilbo> so its not like switching from sarge to sid
[05:07] <BockBilbo> right?
[05:07] <|QuaD-_> BockBilbo: no idea
[05:07] <BockBilbo> ok...
[05:07] <BockBilbo> i wont change from now
[05:07] <bob2> it's like woody to sid
[05:07] <BockBilbo> wow
[05:07] <BockBilbo> ok...
[05:07] <|QuaD-_> Kamion: while i have you in here, is there any progress in plans for a kde release?
[05:07] <BockBilbo> isnt there a testing version???
[05:07] <|QuaD-_> BockBilbo: not on ubuntu
[05:07] <BockBilbo> ok
[05:08] <BockBilbo> so i will keep warty
[05:08] <|QuaD-_> BockBilbo: i don't see the point in 3 versions
[05:08] <BockBilbo> me either
[05:08] <|QuaD-_> all you need is a stable and unstable
[05:08] <Rocha> Hello
[05:08] <BockBilbo> by the way
[05:08] <Riddell> |QuaD-_: doesn't seem to be any progress on a KDE release
[05:08] <BockBilbo> i have a problem with wifi in ubunru
[05:08] <BockBilbo> the wiki says that the intel pro wireless 2200BG card its totally supported
[05:09] <BockBilbo> even in the installer
[05:09] <|QuaD-_> Riddell: alright thanks, i iwll keep waiting and crossing my fingers
[05:09] <BockBilbo> and it seens that ubuntu has detected it... but it doesnt work
[05:09] <BockBilbo> do you know what could be the problem?
[05:09] <bob2> I'm pretty sure it only recently got support
[05:10] <Kamion> |QuaD-_: we need community help for that
[05:10] <BockBilbo> well.. i downloaded and installed ubuntu yesterday
[05:11] <bob2> waryt was frozen in october
[05:11] <Rocha> Someone here using gdesklets?
[05:11] <BockBilbo> see this:  Intel
[05:11] <BockBilbo> 
[05:11] <BockBilbo> PRO/Wireless 2200 (Centrino)
[05:11] <BockBilbo> 
[05:11] <BockBilbo> ipw2200
[05:11] <|QuaD-_> Kamion: in what ways?
[05:11] <catdog> Rocha: hi. yes.
[05:11] <BockBilbo> 
[05:11] <BockBilbo> Yes
[05:11] <BockBilbo> 
[05:11] <bob2> BockBilbo: er, the chipset is plenty of information
[05:11] <BockBilbo> Yes
[05:11] <BockBilbo> 
[05:11] <BockBilbo> Yes
[05:11] <BockBilbo> 
[05:11] <BockBilbo> Automatically detected since the first installation steps, even asking for the WEP key
[05:11] <BockBilbo> uff sorrry
[05:11] <Amaranth> yikes
[05:11] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:12] <BockBilbo> :'(
[05:12] <BockBilbo> i didnt ment to paste that much
[05:12] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:12] <Rocha> catdog, i just installed gdesklets using synaptic, clicked on the "Applications->Accessories->gDesklets" but nothing happens.
[05:12] <Rocha> catdog, am i missing something?
[05:12] <BockBilbo> rocha, you have to load the displays
[05:12] <Amaranth> I thought Centrino needed that Project Evil wrapper thing for the Windows driver
[05:12] <Rocha> BockBilbo, from the command line?
[05:12] <paulproteus> ndiswarper ? ;)
[05:12] <paulproteus> No, there are native Centrino drivers these days.
[05:12] <paulproteus> ipw2200.sf.net
[05:12] <BockBilbo> Rocha, did you get the gdesklet data???
[05:12] <Amaranth> oh yeah, Project Evil is the name for the FreeBSD version
[05:12] <Rocha> BockBilbo, yup
[05:13] <catdog> Rocha: Okay, now get some displays (called - xxxx.display), then load them with gdesklets
[05:13] <Kamion> |QuaD-_: Canonical only have the resources to deal with one desktop environment, but if people want a KDE version of Ubuntu - and they do - we'd welcome it, and we have tools in progress that will help out people who want to create derivatives
[05:13] <BockBilbo> seee
[05:13] <Rocha> I'll try.
[05:13] <BockBilbo> catdog, the displays come with the gdesklets.data
[05:13] <bob2> Amaranth: no, they just require binary-only firmware blobs
[05:13] <BockBilbo> just go to
[05:13] <|QuaD-_> Kamion: ohhh, i got it.... how did Canonical chose gnome over kde?
[05:13] <catdog> BockBilbo: Ahha, righto
[05:13] <wood1> Hi everybody
[05:13] <Amaranth> Kamion: You're guys are going to release the tools you use to brand GNOME and etc, right?
[05:13] <BockBilbo> /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays
[05:14] <Kamion> |QuaD-_: well, we employ the GNOME release manager ... :-) I think it was originally because their release process was a good fit for what we wanted too
[05:14] <Kamion> Amaranth: vi ... :-)
[05:14] <BockBilbo> Rocha go to /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays
[05:14] <Kamion> Amaranth: at least that's how I'm branding the installer right now
[05:14] <Amaranth> Kamion: Yeah but I heard you have scripts setup to do it.
[05:14] <wood1> I just update my Kernel Image from linux-386 to linux-686
[05:14] <Kamion> Amaranth: but ultimately yeah
[05:14] <|QuaD-_> Kamion: makes sense :)
[05:14] <BockBilbo> paulproteus, are you running ipw2200 ???
[05:14] <wood1> Can I remove the linux-386 kernel image ?
[05:14] <Kamion> Amaranth: if we have branding tools nobody's told me
[05:14] <Amaranth> heh
[05:14] <paulproteus> BockBilbo: No, but a housemate was earlier.
[05:15] <Kamion> Amaranth: we have merging tools, and I *think* we'll be releasing those eventually
[05:15] <wood1> So can I remove the linux-386 image ?????
[05:15] <BockBilbo> oh... and did he install it in ubuntu??
[05:15] <Kamion> don't know the details of that though
[05:15] <paulproteus> No, Debian proper.
[05:15] <BockBilbo> ohh
[05:15] <BockBilbo> ok
[05:15] <Kamion> wood1: only after you've rebooted into linux-686
[05:15] <arle> Hi, there...
[05:15] <Amaranth> Kamion: All the stuff for GNOME is hand editted too?
[05:15] <arle> Does anyone have an Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)?
[05:15] <Kamion> Amaranth: don't know the details of that, sorry
[05:15] <Amaranth> the gdm theme, the gnome theme, the backgrounds, etc
[05:15] <wood1> Yes I have Kamion
[05:15] <Rocha> BockBilbo, $gdesklets ???.display ?
[05:15] <HcE> arle: yes
[05:15] <BockBilbo> i think so
[05:15] <Kamion> Amaranth: AFAIK that's all by hand, but I could be wrong
[05:15] <palle1> can i install Windows XP after i have installed Ubuntu???
[05:16] <arle> HcE: working...? :-\
[05:16] <wood1> So can I remove the linux-386 iamge ????
[05:16] <HcE> arle: listening on musing from it right now
[05:16] <Kamion> wood1: should be able to, yeah
[05:16] <the_gummibear> damnit, that's an idea :p let's install those gdesklets again :)
[05:16] <catdog> Rocha: or right click a *.display and find gdesklets
[05:16] <Amaranth> 2.9 changed the menu system to be fd.o complient and now i can't open nautilus without using a terminal
[05:16] <wood1> OK, thanks
[05:16] <arle> HcE: wonderful! I wrote to the list minutes ago
[05:16] <paulproteus> palle1: Windows may overwrite your Linux bootloader if you install to the same hard drive.
[05:16] <HcE> arle: I run my own compiled 2.6.8.1 kernel
[05:17] <wood1> Hey Amaranth, I thought that you were using Warty ?
[05:17] <Amaranth> ha, nope
[05:17] <paulproteus> palle1: It is possible, of course, to recover it; it's a trip to the install CD's command-line that you probably aren't interested in.
[05:17] <arle> HcE: I see.... What about the default kernel? Were you abel to use the sndcard with it?
[05:17] <palle1> paulproteus: yes that's what happened last time i installed it... so how can i do if i need to install windiws?
[05:17] <wood1> Where did the 2.9 thing
[05:17] <Amaranth> i live on the edge :)
[05:17] <wood1> come from
[05:17] <Amaranth> wood1: GNOME 2.9 is in hoary
[05:17] <HcE> arle: Don't know, I always fiddle thing the way I like them
[05:17] <wood1> Well it was you who told me to switch back my Hoary machine to Warty and now you are using Hoary yourself
[05:18] <arle> HcE: sorry... what's 'fiddle'? :(
[05:18] <HcE> arle: but you should be able to get it to work, think I used some standard Intel driver
[05:18] <Amaranth> I've used hoary since day 2 of using Ubuntu.
[05:18] <palle1> paulproteus: how can i do?? is it much work?
[05:18] <wood1> I think it's 2.9.2 now
[05:18] <HcE> arle: mess around or something
[05:18] <Amaranth> I told you to switch back to warty because you don't know what you're doing. :P
[05:18] <wood1> Hey, what about you ???
[05:18] <Rocha> BockBilbo, starterbar has some visual bugs!
[05:19] <paulproteus> palle1: It's not much work, no.  I suggest you ask for specific directions in #debian.
[05:19] <Amaranth> wood1: I know how to solve most of the problems I get.
[05:19] <wood1> How do you know that you are 100% sure that you have understood the full aspect of Ubuntu Linux
[05:19] <arle> HcE: I have started a thread in the ubuntu-users list just a few minutes ago
[05:19] <palle1> paulproteus: okay thnx
[05:19] <arle> There I dump my lsmod and lspci
[05:19] <HcE> arle: I think I use "Intel i8x0/MX440, SiS 7012; Ali 5455; NForce Audio; AMD768/8111"
[05:19] <wood1> Well an average Linux User knows 0.5 % of Linux
[05:19] <Amaranth> wood1: I don't, but I know how to apply cheap hacks and milk the dpkg system for all it's worth.
[05:20] <wood1> If you know 2 - 3 % of Linux then you are Linus Travolds
[05:20] <Amaranth> wood1: Linux is the kernel
[05:20] <BockBilbo> Rocha, some dont work properly, i know
[05:20] <arle> HcE: How can I change that? I miss Debian's modconf :(
[05:20] <wood1> I Know but I am giving the idea
[05:20] <Rocha> BockBilbo, i think the sticky notes is not available from the package, i have to download it myself.
[05:21] <wood1> But the Kernel is the heart of the GNU/Linux itself
[05:21] <BockBilbo> www.gdesklets.org
[05:21] <wood1> Without it, Linux is dead
[05:21] <BockBilbo> i think
[05:21] <Amaranth> wood1: Without Linux Linux is dead. That makes sense.
[05:21] <HcE> arle: the module is named snd-intel8x0
[05:21] <wood1> Without the kernel, Linux is dead
[05:21] <Amaranth> wood1: Linux _is_ the kernel.
[05:22] <arle> HcE: lsmod shows it at 1st place
[05:22] <arle> snd_intel8x0           33068  3
[05:22] <the_gummibear> hmm, i can't get on gdesklets.org :s
[05:22] <wood1> Well I really want to see Mark Rosonivich and Linus Travolds in a debate
[05:22] <iz> thirst there was linux after that people where born
[05:22] <daniels> ok, guys, offtopic.
[05:23] <Amaranth> wood1: Did you see the link I gave you for ClusterKnoppix?
[05:23] <|QuaD-_> daniels/kamion/any other dev: i don't know who runs the wiki/howto's but it might be worthwhile to put a "screen" how to... its amazingly simple to use yet extremely powerful
[05:23] <bob2> |QuaD-_: anyone can add pages
[05:23] <wood1> Well I booted my PC with the 686 linux before I could go there
[05:24] <wood1> Can I have the link again
[05:24] <|QuaD-_> bob2: ohh... didn't know that
[05:24] <Amaranth> Basically it's supposed to be as easy as hooking the machines to the same network and booting them from the CD.
[05:24] <wood1> But that link applis to Knoppix Linux, doesn't it
[05:24] <Amaranth> http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/
[05:26] <wood1> Well I have to run Knoppix Live CD for that
[05:26] <bob2> this is kinda off-topic, too
[05:27] <scottie_z> So, I've just installed Ubuntu, and thinking I'd like to contribute somehow.  What would be the best way to share my installation experience, and be a part of package inclusion discussions and stuff?  Mailing list?  Forums?  Here?  Do I just post things all at once, or break them down into categories?  How does this "community" thing work?
[05:28] <bob2> scottie_z: writing to ubuntu-users could be good.
[05:39] <wasabi_> Can one install ubuntu from the live cd?
[05:39] <wasabi_> Is the installation program on i?
[05:39] <bob2> no
[05:39] <wasabi_> =(
[05:39] <wasabi_> Should drop that on there.
[05:39] <bob2> that's what the install cd is for
[05:39] <bob2> it's a big change
[05:39] <bob2> (to d-i)
[05:40] <MarcN> I'm installing ubuntu behind a firewall and skipping the grub install (but continuing)  How do I get X configured?  dpkg-reconfigure -a doesn't pick it up.
[05:40] <Kamion> wasabi_: we've got a live CD redesign in progress to possibly allow for that
[05:41] <bob2> MarcN: it will be configured during the install...
[05:41] <Kamion> wasabi_: it's completely impossible with the way the live CD works at the moment; it's not just "drop that on there", I'm afraid
[05:41] <MarcN> bob2: I've completed the install, but no X.
[05:42] <Kamion> but Matt's working on having the live CD work using the first half of d-i to do its hardware detection, which may let them merge at least on a DVD
[05:42] <bob2> MarcN: did the second stage urn?
[05:42] <melter|work> is it possible to tell the installer to use a swap partition?
[05:42] <MarcN> ah, dpkg-recofigure xserver-xfree86
[05:42] <wasabi_> Kamion: i'd be fine with only netinstall.
[05:42] <wasabi_> I know that's not ideal.
[05:42] <Rocha> BockBilbo, i can't install displays :(
[05:43] <Rocha> BockBilbo, i followed the instructions but it keeps saying that i didn't install the sensor
[05:43] <MarcN> bob2: the thing is I skipped the grub stage.  Completed and backup. manually added eth0, set proxies and then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[05:44] <bob2> so the second bit didn't run
[05:44] <bob2> dunno how to run that, colin would know
[05:44] <Simira> people's working too hard here, update/upgrade takes too long!
[05:45] <|QuaD-_> so i have a question. i currently have a gtk only system, don't use kdelibs. if i install programs like kopete/kpim/etc will the performance of my computer take a hit?
[05:45] <Ng> |QuaD-_: not really
[05:45] <|QuaD-_> would htose programs run just as fast under gnome?
[05:45] <MarcN> bob2: i'm in a long concall and figured it would be worth a go.  i'll reinstall on this laptop at home with out the proxy needs.  I previously had ubuntu on this lappy previously.
[05:46] <Ng> |QuaD-_: it'll just use a bit more RAM for the KDE libs
[05:46] <|QuaD-_> heh ok... are you sure about that?
[05:47] <MarcN> bob2: i didn't see an opportunity to set proxies.
[05:48] <alexissoft> hi
[05:48] <wood1> Can somebody give me ideas to install openMosix in Ubuntu ?
[05:49] <Ng> |QuaD-_: yes. Unless you are seriously short of Hard Disk and/or RAM, it'll be just as fast
[05:49] <|QuaD-_> Ng: 1 gig ram (usually using ~200-400 mb, and 240gig hd :)
[05:49] <Ng> |QuaD-_: yeah, that should be fine ;)
[05:49] <spacedman> wood1: first install ubuntu, then go to #openmosix :)
[05:50] <wood1> Well Ubuntu is already installed
[05:50] <|QuaD-_> Ng: it is soo tempting
[05:50] <spacedman> wood1: now you just need to install an openmosix kernel...
[05:50] <Ng> |QuaD-_: what was it you wanted to install?
[05:50] <Kamion> wasabi_: unfortunately when I say that the live CD is really tight on space, I do mean it :) the netboot install won't fit, I don't think
[05:50] <|QuaD-_> all my kde apps :)
[05:50] <|QuaD-_> lol
[05:51] <Ng> |QuaD-_: hehe, well you will probably notice that things don't integrate as well
[05:51] <wood1> Well how do I install a openmosix kernel patch for Ubuntu ?
[05:51] <wasabi_> Kamion: heh.
[05:51] <|QuaD-_> i switched from debian (after 4 years) always using kde
[05:51] <|QuaD-_> haven't put any on
[05:51] <Ng> |Quad-_: I've only really gotten into the mixing KDE/Gnome scenario for one-off apps like K3B
[05:51] <|QuaD-_> but i miss kpim, kdevelop, etc
[05:52] <Ng> |QuaD-_: perhaps a distro with KDE in it would be more sensible then? ;)
[05:52] <|QuaD-_> Ng: i normally would have said that, i wanted to see what the hype about ubuntu was all about. I am thoroughly impressed
[05:52] <|QuaD-_> (other than the gnome part)
[05:53] <|QuaD-_> i have been using the mozilla apps instead of kpim and that is decent (i don't like evolution)
[05:53] <wood1> Well I guess that Nobody at #openmosix knows how to install openMosix in Ubuntu
[05:53] <|QuaD-_> kdevelop, well have been using c# and vs.net... so there that goes
[05:53] <wood1> I went there in vain
[05:54] <|QuaD-_> and i am getting used to the interface
[05:54] <Ng> wood1: perhaps a distro better suited to openmosix then?
[05:54] <Ng> just because ubuntu is impressive or cool doesn't mean it's necessarily the right tool for a specific job :)
[05:54] <zerokarmaleft> |QuaD-_ how you running vs.net?  through wine or vmware or what?
[05:55] <|QuaD-_> zerokarmaleft: even better... it is something called windowsXP :)
[05:55] <|QuaD-_> i have windows in my lab
[05:55] <zerokarmaleft> dual boot then
[05:55] <zerokarmaleft> oh ic
[05:55] <|QuaD-_> zerokarmaleft: i don't need windows on this
[05:56] <|QuaD-_> actually i am on a windows pc now (ssh ing to my other box)
[05:57] <wood1> Just format the hard disk and install Ubuntu on it
[05:58] <|QuaD-_> wood1: why?
[05:58] <wood1> You said that you don't need windows on that PC
[05:58] <wood1> Why don't you install 2 or more Linux distributions on that Machine if you have the hard disk space
[05:59] <|QuaD-_> wood1: i do need windows on it
[05:59] <|QuaD-_> i have ubuntu on my other machine
[05:59] <wood1> Well just dual on the PC with Windows in it too
[06:00] <zerokarmaleft> dual boot is so annoying
[06:00] <Rocha> Anyone using the Sticky Notes Display for gdesklets?
[06:00] <wood1> Having 2 different OSs is better than having 1
[06:00] <wood1> Why is dual booting so annoying
[06:00] <wood1> X Server Terminal can take care of the Windows thing
[06:01] <LinuxJones> Does anybody have any experience with hosting a Bittorrent stream ?
[06:01] <|QuaD-_> wood1: i have no desire to dual boot
[06:01] <|QuaD-_> my lab pc needs to be windows, it is
[06:02] <wood1> Amaranth, I went to the #openmosix chatroom but it seems that they themselves don't know how to install openMosix in Ubuntu
[06:02] <suix> hi
[06:02] <|QuaD-_> my other pc is not required to be anything, so i choe
[06:02] <suix> Ihave problems installing java can anyone help me?
[06:02] <wood1> Then what do You want to do with the XP machine
[06:03] <wood1> Anyway, does somebody here knows how to install openMosix in Ubuntu ?
[06:03] <Kamion> (note: "You" is not normally capitalised in English, unless it's at the beginning of a sentence)
[06:03] <wood1> I need desperate help
[06:04] <wood1> Well is this chatroom an English language course
[06:04] <suix> ive descompressed the binary file in a directory called /usr/local/sdk, then I've linked all files in the bin directory of java to /usr/bin also I introducced the paths of the libraries in ld.so.conf and made a ldconfig, but I still get an error saying Error: could not find Java 2 Runtime Environment.
[06:05] <Kamion> openmosix apparently hasn't built successfully in universe, but you could try building it from the source package in universe yourself
[06:06] <Kamion> build log is http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/openmosix/1:0.3.4-7/openmosix_1:0.3.4-7_20041027-1923-i386-failed
[06:06] <Kamion> looks like kernel header issues
[06:06] <derJunior> hi@all
[06:07] <defendguin> ive got a problem my usb drive is not being seen when i plug it in
[06:07] <defendguin> i need to move some files to it like now
[06:07] <Rocha> "Computer->Disks"
[06:07] <Rocha> It should appear there.
[06:08] <defendguin> nope
[06:08] <Rocha> Maybe labelled as "sda1"
[06:08] <defendguin> it appears in the hal device manager
[06:08] <spacey`ki> my usb drive appears as /dev/sda1
[06:08] <defendguin> yeah but mine isnt appearing as anything
[06:09] <defendguin> ive tried unplugging and replugging
[06:11] <derJunior> has someone here k3b with unbuntu installed?
[06:11] <defendguin> must be some issue with the flash drive my other one works fine
[06:11] <defendguin> but this flash drive works on my other system
[06:11] <defendguin> go figure
[06:12] <derJunior> because i can't install k3b on my ubuntu workstation
[06:13] <derJunior> join #debian.de
[06:13] <derJunior> sorry
[06:13] <|QuaD-_> derJunior: lol
[06:13] <derJunior> |QuaD-: :)
[06:13] <derJunior> i can't understand how it doesn't work
[06:13] <GoldeNArX> ok all.
[06:14] <GoldeNArX> can someone help me with mounting a newly installed drive?
[06:14] <PotajiTo> wenas
[06:14] <|QuaD-_> GoldeNArX: ok
[06:14] <|QuaD-_> what driv
[06:14] <|QuaD-_> ee
[06:15] <GoldeNArX> its device hdc and its an ext3 part
[06:15] <|QuaD-_> GoldeNArX: mkdir /mnt/hdc1
[06:15] <|QuaD-_> wait how many partitions on the drive
[06:15] <GoldeNArX> 1
[06:15] <|QuaD-_> ok yeah then type that
[06:16] <zenpod> Can anyone tell me where I can find an Industrial Theme for Firefox 0.9.3?
[06:16] <zenpod> and wtf is this
[06:16] <zenpod> -THE-DONE- Hi zenpod - IC YOU HAVE JOINED #Ubuntu - www.geocities.com/the_mad_cow_hackers theres a new web page in the the hacker underground come check us out and sig the book and say hi www.geocities.com/the_mad_cow_hackers
[06:16] <GoldeNArX> ok done
[06:17] <GoldeNArX> had to use the sudo command
[06:17] <|QuaD-_> now type mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1
[06:17] <|QuaD-_> GoldeNArX: yeah
[06:17] <|QuaD-_> you have ot for this also
[06:17] <Kamion> zenpod: report that on #freenode?
[06:17] <Simira> did the Language BOF just disappear, or has it moved in time or place?
[06:18] <GoldeNArX> says must specify file system type
[06:18] <zenpod> Kamion, I'm afraid I don't understand?
[06:18] <Kamion> zenpod: #freenode has the network operators, who can kick people off
[06:18] <|QuaD-_> GoldeNArX: hmmm
[06:18] <derJunior> http://www.nopaste.info/?id=79   <-- here ist my Problem with installing k3b under ubunut
[06:18] <zenpod> Kamion, ahh ok
[06:18] <|QuaD-_> what did you type exactly
[06:19] <Kamion> zenpod: (he should be banned from the network, not just from #ubuntu)
[06:19] <derJunior> can someone help me?
[06:19] <GoldeNArX>  sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1
[06:19] <|QuaD-_> hmm.... that SHOULD work
[06:19] <zenpod> Does anyone know where I can find the Industrial Theme for firefox 0.9.3 that comes with Warty?
[06:20] <GoldeNArX> hrmm.. any other ideas?
[06:21] <|QuaD-_> GoldeNArX: read the man pages, see how to add a fs type
[06:22] <derJunior> |QuaD-: any idea in my problem
[06:22] <|QuaD-_> derJunior: what is it
[06:22] <derJunior> i can't install k3b
[06:22] <derJunior> http://www.nopaste.info/?id=79
[06:22] <derJunior> here are the output
[06:22] <derJunior> here are the outputs
[06:22] <|QuaD-_> derJunior: i dont' run k3b let me look though
[06:23] <|QuaD-_> un met dependencies
[06:23] <|QuaD-_> is k3b universe?
[06:23] <derJunior> |QuaD-: i think so but i don't know
[06:23] <sladen> |QuaD-_: yes
[06:23] <|QuaD-_> and do you have universe enabled?
[06:23] <|QuaD-_> actually you have to
[06:23] <|QuaD-_> have
[06:23] <|QuaD-_> hmm
[06:24] <derJunior> |QuaD-:  on the link you can see my sources.list
[06:24] <derJunior> are ther some more options i don't know?
[06:24] <|QuaD-_> derJunior: i have no idea why, kde might be broken
[06:24] <|QuaD-_> wary or hoary?
[06:24] <zerokarmaleft> that's weird that it bugs out on installing a simple lib like aRts
[06:25] <derJunior> wary or hoary?
[06:25] <|QuaD-_> warty
[06:25] <|QuaD-_> or hoary
[06:25] <|QuaD-_> grr wart
[06:25] <|QuaD-_> y
[06:25] <|QuaD-_> lol
[06:25] <zerokarmaleft> he's on warty
[06:25] <|QuaD-_> i coulda checked
[06:25] <|QuaD-_> yeah i just noticed
[06:25] <zerokarmaleft> heh :p
[06:25] <derJunior> k3b ist the best burn program in my opinion
[06:25] <derJunior> i need it :)
[06:26] <AndreiV> I have 2 questions about UBUNTU live cd:
[06:27] <AndreiV> 1) how do I shut it down (reboot, shutdown -r don't work)
[06:27] <derJunior> AndreiV: shutdown -h now
[06:27] <AndreiV> 2) what is the root password(i'm using very much su)
[06:27] <derJunior> shutdown -r now
[06:27] <AndreiV> ?
[06:27] <|QuaD-_> AndreiV: just do sudo
[06:28] <derJunior> AndreiV: there ist no root pw set but you can do it wiht sudo passwd root
[06:28] <AndreiV> derJunior: I know, sorry, i forgot tyo write now
[06:28] <piyr> i've heard python was designed to be scriptable by python; how can i make openoffice convert a bunch of .xls files to .csv?
[06:28] <AndreiV> 10x derJunior for 2)
[06:28] <AndreiV> but shutdown -r now don't work
[06:29] <derJunior> AndreiV: i don't like the sudo command too
[06:29] <derJunior> AndreiV: you have to be root
[06:29] <AndreiV> is says somenthing like : can'f find (or execute) init
[06:30] <piyr> s/python/ubuntu
[06:30] <AndreiV> any ideea?
[06:30] <derJunior> AndreiV: you can also run the reboot command (as root 2)
[06:31] <AndreiV> 09:27:33]  <AndreiV> 1) how do I shut it down (reboot, shutdown -r don't work)
[06:31] <zerokarmaleft> sudo shutdown -h now
[06:31] <AndreiV> i tried these commands from console(I've pressed Ctrl+Alt+F3), and wrote them
[06:32] <AndreiV> and another thing
[06:32] <GoldeNArX> cant seem to figure this out
[06:32] <AndreiV> on my computer, the consoles are "moved left", out of screen
[06:32] <zenpod> Does anyone know where I can find the Industrial Theme for firefox 0.9.3 that comes with Warty?
[06:33] <GoldeNArX> ok.. this mounting isnt working
[06:33] <AndreiV> and I can't see about 4-5 chars
[06:33] <zAo^> any1 who can mirror gaim_1.1.0-1-warty+backportedfrom-ubuntu-hoary1_i386.deb ?!? thanks!
[06:33] <zAo^> getting @ 650b/s :+
[06:34] <zerokarmaleft> zAo^, what repos are you getting that from?
[06:34] <|QuaD-_> zAo^: from?
[06:34] <zAo^> repos?
[06:34] <zAo^> let me see
[06:34] <Ribs> whoa
[06:34] <zAo^> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[06:34] <Ribs> Ubuntu handles my digital camera very well
[06:35] <zAo^> Ribs, I cant open RAW pictures (Canon), can you?
[06:35] <zerokarmaleft> oh, jdong's
[06:35] <Ribs> pft
[06:35] <Ribs> This camera uses jpeg
[06:36] <zAo^> k
[06:36] <Ribs> industry standard
[06:36] <zAo^> :D
[06:36] <zAo^> it's lossy ;)
[06:36] <Ribs> I don't buy shit that uses custom bollocks
[06:37] <zAo^> Lol, Canon 1D == crap? lol
[06:37] <Ribs> Well, I'm not the one who can't read the images on it :P
[06:38] <zAo^> The raw plugin is crap, not the cam, not the distro
[06:40] <zerokarmaleft> wow, the backports repository is sloooow
[06:44] <Amaranth> Hey, that's a neat trick.
[06:44] <Amaranth> Well, I guess that's what all the linux companies do. Create a distro and provide service for it.
[06:45] <socomm> I was about to say those `mad cow hackers' managed to get rid of that geocities banner.
[06:45] <socomm> Apparently not.
[06:49] <zenpod> Why am I getting broken dependancies for mplayer-nogui in warty?
[06:49] <zenpod> it's never happened before
[06:50] <oscarh> anyone who get segment fault with zinf?
[06:50] <socomm> oscarh: Yes.
[06:51] <oscarh> socomm, checked bugzilla.ubuntulinux.com but found nothing, checked debian to and found just as much.
[06:51] <zenpod> crap.. maplyer on marrilat's ftp is a newer version or something, and won't install on warty now
[06:51] <zenpod> great.
[06:52] <oscarh> zenpod, whats the problem with mplayer?
[06:52] <socomm> oscarh: Yeah I'm not too hot on zinf, I was just curious on how it would feel. Unfortunately it segfaulted, and I uninstalled.
[06:52] <zenpod> oscarh, dependancy issues
[06:52] <GoldeNArX> woohoo its mounted
[06:52] <oscarh> socomm, loll, worked on wart, but i'm using hoary now
[06:52] <oscarh> zenpod, any more specific?
[06:53] <socomm> oscarh: That might be it, I'm using hoary as well.
[06:53] <GoldeNArX> now.. samba server
[06:53] <zenpod> oscarh, one second
[06:53] <GoldeNArX> but that I think thats a project for tonight
[06:53] <socomm> zenpod: Exact error message, please.
[06:53] <oscarh> socomm, still, it schouldn't seg fault
[06:53] <oscarh> wow, i can really type :(
[06:54] <socomm> oscarh: You can try to backtrace it and submit a bug report to ubuntus mailing list.
[06:54] <socomm> oscarh: I'd do it my self but I'm happy with xmms/bmp/mplayer/etc ....
[06:55] <zenpod> Okay, mplayer-custom installed, but when I try and run it, I get Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[06:55] <zenpod> Illegal instruction
[06:55] <oscarh> socomm, argh, so much work
[06:56] <socomm> oscarh: TNSTAAFL
[06:56] <oscarh> socomm, it aint that important, and bogreports from multivere or whatever is supposed to go to debain
[06:56] <catdog> zenpod: Have you tried compiling from source? There's a nice howto on the forums.
[06:57] <oscarh> zenpod, check you config ,P
[06:57] <socomm> oscarh: Okay, just stick with some other player for the time being I suppose.
[06:57] <socomm> catdog: Link?
[06:57] <oscarh> socomm, i guess
[06:57] <catdog> zenpod: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[06:58] <zenpod> catdog, ok
[06:59] <oscarh> zenpod, how do you come up with the dependency problems from the Illegal instruction?
[06:59] <|QuaD-_> Kamion: are you at canonical right now or the conference?
[07:04] <oik> hi all
[07:05] <oik> hope someone can help me...
[07:05] <oik> upgrade to hoary has completely b0rked my box :-(
[07:05] <oscarh> lol
[07:05] <socomm> oik: `apt-get dist-upgrade'
[07:05] <oscarh> reinstall, and distuppgrade from fresh warty is my advise
[07:05] <oik> socomm: well yes, that's whats b0rked it
[07:05] <oscarh> did the same
[07:06] <socomm> oik: Gnome is gone?
[07:06] <oik> It's a problem with X.org I think
[07:07] <socomm> oik: I noticed the same when I dist-upgraded a few days ago, fortunately I'm using xfce 4.1.99
[07:07] <oik> The console is toast, but I can ssh in.
[07:07] <socomm> oik: Keep going.
[07:07] <socomm> oik: nVidia drivers by any chance?
[07:07] <oik> Apparently my active ring isn't flushed (ooh-er)
[07:07] <Kamion> |QuaD-_: "at Canonical" doesn't have a meaning :-)
[07:07] <oik> according to /var/log/xorg.0.log
[07:07] <Kamion> |QuaD-_: we don't have offices
[07:08] <Kamion> |QuaD-_: (well, we do if you count Mark's house) - I'm at the conference
[07:08] <oik> socomm: not nvidia, intel integrated video
[07:08] <socomm> oik: i81*
[07:08] <oscarh> oik, remove all x stuff and reinstall?
[07:09] <oik> Okey dokey...
[07:09] <oscarh> oik, do you have stuff on it that you really cant and will loose by a reinstall?
[07:09] <socomm> oik: ummm oik I had a problem with my sisters laptop and the i815 chip, had to flash the bios to an older version to get things to work.
[07:09] <oik> oscarh: not really, but it's taken over 2 days to do the upgrade over dialup
[07:10] <oik> so I don't want to do it again !!!
[07:10] <oscarh> in my experience lots of things will break, esecially gnome and X, if you tweak your warty to much before going to hoary
[07:10] <oscarh> oik, diaup, horror!
[07:10] <socomm> oik: You could always download a Hoary ISO ...
[07:11] <oik> is there any way to back out of the changes and go back to warty?
[07:11] <|QuaD-_> Kamion: oh i didn't realize :)
[07:11] <oik> socomm: what was the bios versions involved?
[07:11] <oscarh> socomm,  download ISO on dialup?
[07:12] <socomm> oik: An old Dell laptop, had to downgrade to an older bios since the newer versions fscked with X+Console.
[07:13] <oscarh> socomm, but did it work with warty?
[07:13] <socomm> oscarh: It would take how long? One~two Days? Plus he would have the ISO if ever he needed to install or reinstall.
[07:13] <mirak> what must I do to use the ati driver with kernel 2.6.9 ?
[07:13] <rapha> Hey all!
[07:13] <mirak> is just building the source package of the driver enough ?
[07:13] <rapha> Has everybody already read http://www.userinstinct.com/viewpost.php?postid=gnome26review&page=1 ?
[07:13] <socomm> oscarh: I know the bios worked with FreeBSD, but apparently not with GNU/Linux so I flashed it. I'm not saying this will work in your case, just a thought though.
[07:14] <oscarh> socomm, just wanted to know..
[07:14] <bronson> Is there any way to tell the kernel to use a subdirecotry as root?
[07:14] <bronson> i.e. "root=/dev/hda1,/ubuntu"
[07:14] <Hammi> hey guys
[07:14] <Hammi> join www.ubuntu-forum.de
[07:14] <oscarh> bronson, why on earth?
[07:14] <oscarh> Hammi, even if i don't know deuch
[07:14] <socomm> bronson: chroot maybe?
[07:15] <bronson> I'd like to boot 2 distros from the same partition.
[07:15] <oscarh> or german meybee
[07:15] <bronson> Problem with chroot is it means modifying the initscripts.
[07:15] <socomm> oscarh: Deutsch.
[07:15] <Amaranth> oh, i see
[07:15] <bronson> It seems like it should be easy...
[07:15] <oscarh> socomm, i know, a guard came and asked for id, i paniked .)
[07:15] <bronson> 2 unmodified distros on the same partition.
[07:15] <socomm> bronson: You can keep all the partitions on a new distro. Just make home swap partitions.
[07:15] <Amaranth> Ubuntu customized the GNOME menus but 2.9.2's new menu system undid all that
[07:16] <|QuaD-_> weird... my second harddrive isn't mounting :(
[07:16] <bronson> socomm: ??  not sure what you mean.
[07:16] <oscarh> bronson, you want the same root partition but diferent root?
[07:16] <bronson> oscarh: exactly.
[07:16] <socomm> bronson make your home and swap partitions indipendent, and have the two distros have seperate root partition.
[07:17] <oscarh> bronson, why?
[07:17] <RuffianSoldier> whats the command to see what version something is?
[07:17] <bronson> oscarh: so I don't have to repartition this disk.
[07:17] <oscarh> why not  split the partition in two?
[07:17] <oscarh> bronson, i guess :)
[07:17] <mirak> what must I do to use the ati driver with kernel 2.6.9 ?
[07:17] <mirak> is just building the source package of the driver enough ?
[07:17] <intinig> does ubuntu have a gui apache2 conf tool?
[07:17] <Hammi> could someone edit the topic and add the german ubuntu-forum?
[07:17] <socomm> RuffianSoldier: ALT+F1 then ALFT+F7 to get back to X.
[07:17] <bronson> socomm: Ah, yes.  True.  Repartitioning will fix this.
[07:18] <RuffianSoldier> socomm ...........
[07:18] <bronson> Crud.
[07:18] <oscarh> bronson, i don't know how to do it, and i don't know if it's a good idea
[07:18] <socomm> bronson: You can't have both distros share the same root, because they both install different libs/utils/etc.
[07:19] <bronson> socomm: that's why each would use a subdir.
[07:19] <bronson> Same as swaproot, but at boot time.
[07:19] <socomm> bronson: You can make their respective root partitions small though and just dedicate the rest to your /home partition.
[07:19] <bronson> true.  But that's a lot of surgery on an otherwise fine system.
[07:20] <bronson> Oh well.  I guess it can't be done.
[07:20] <bronson> That's a shame.
[07:20] <oscarh> bronson, didn't say that..
[07:20] <socomm> bronson: That's what I would do, but feel free to do it your way.
[07:20] <socomm> bronson: Anything *CAN* be done, somethings just take alittle more time+dedications than others.
[07:20] <bronson> OK, true.
[07:21] <bronson> Oh well.  Guess it would require a kernel patch.
[07:21] <bronson> That's a shame.  :)
[07:23] <ddd> hi..
[07:23] <Morphalus> since yesterday when i upgrade my warty for hoary, it breaks my gnome, removed shortcuts, menu in english (i'm french), and others shits...
[07:24] <oscarh> it's funny, you always feel obligated to say hi before asking something  :)
[07:24] <ddd> ubuntu live seems to me need more resource especially memory..
[07:24] <oscarh> ddd, it's a cd, it's slow :)
[07:24] <bronson> ddd: and it uses a ramdisk.
[07:24] <jdub_> Morphalus: hoary is under very active development
[07:24] <bob2> Morphalus: yes, it's the development version
[07:24] <oscarh> ddd, it needs to steal some ram to make a "ramdisk"
[07:24] <jdub_> Morphalus: it's currently using gnome upstream menus
[07:24] <oscarh> bronson, :)
[07:24] <bob2> Morphalus: please file bugs if no one else has
[07:24] <jdub_> Morphalus: should be sorted out this weekend
[07:24] <zAo^BrB> oke; I have a broken package; what to do? I cant reinstall; remove is nog an option (ubuntu-base dependend)
[07:24] <Morphalus> yes i know but before 2 years ago the hoary dev was good
[07:25] <ddd> yes but maybe it'll need to add some tool for create swap on hd
[07:25] <ddd> right i created manually
[07:25] <Morphalus> there isn't a nautilus shortcuts :D
[07:25] <ddd> right now i created manually
[07:25] <oscarh> ddd, it should be able to to that
[07:25] <Morphalus> computer, etc... : no
[07:26] <zAo^> how can I reinstall Gaim?
[07:26] <ddd> oscarh, what is the tool?
[07:26] <Gwildor|Work> Morphalus, it is being worked on......we are aware, should be fixed soon......just keep upgradeing, and by soon i mean a few days
[07:26] <Morphalus> ok :)
[07:26] <Gwildor|Work> :)
[07:26] <oscarh> ddd, dunno really, it asked me if i wanted a cach file when i rescued a old laptop with 64M ram using a ubuntu live cd
[07:27] <oscarh> haven't tried the live cd since
[07:27] <Gwildor|Work> Morphalus, i freaked too, i use xfce4 now, but when i borked that, i went back to gnome and was like WTF
[07:27] <oscarh> it makes some kind of knopix swapfile
[07:27] <Morphalus> :)
[07:27] <ddd> on knoppix there's
[07:27] <Morphalus> i've one thing to say : ubuntu is a good distro ;)
[07:27] <Gwildor|Work> yes it is
[07:28] <Gwildor|Work> glad you like
[07:28] <socomm> Ubuntu is all right.
[07:28] <oscarh> ddd, called swap (or chach) .knopix or something
[07:28] <socomm> zAo^: apt-get install gaim
[07:28] <Gwildor|Work> i was thinking of trying out Archlinux, but my love for ubntu wont let me
[07:28] <zAo^> What happens when I remove ubuntu-desktop????
[07:29] <bob2> zAo^: nothing, directly
[07:29] <Gwildor|Work> zAo^, go ahead............it is safe
[07:29] <zerokarmaleft> zAo^, nothing, it's a metapackage
[07:29] <socomm> zAo^: That will reinstall gaim if there is a new version available.
[07:29] <bob2> zAo^: but it makes upgrades more complicated
[07:29] <zAo^> Oke, thanks all :)
[07:29] <Morphalus> normally i use slackware, my prefered distro, but since i use ubuntu i'm convinced
[07:29] <ddd> oscarh, nope it just came with 'mkswap' and 'swapon'
[07:30] <oscarh> ddd, but that's for making a swap partition
[07:30] <socomm> Slackware was a bit heavy last time I tried it. Could have been because of GNOME though.
[07:30] <oscarh> ddd, it created a swapfile for me
[07:30] <oscarh> hang on
[07:30] <ddd> yeah but of course we can make file swap with than tool too
[07:30] <Morphalus> when you tried slackware, what release was it ? (sorry for my english :))
[07:31] <Gwildor|Work> Morphalus, english was fine :)
[07:31] <socomm> MornHyland: 10.0
[07:31] <Morphalus> :)
[07:31] <Morphalus> bad TAB :p
[07:31] <socomm> Doh!
[07:32] <oscarh> ddd, go ahead then!
[07:32] <socomm> Morphalus: Slackware 10.0 + Dropline.
[07:32] <zenpod> oscarh, I have that apt error for mplayer.. is there a flood channel I can paste it in, or something?
[07:32] <oscarh> zenpod, /msg?
[07:32] <zenpod> ok
[07:32] <Morphalus> dropline is an entire system lol
[07:32] <socomm> MornHyland: I know.
[07:33] <zenpod> oscarh, pasted
[07:33] <ddd> i thought it cause ubuntu based on morphix,on knoppix we can crete it auto :) (it's good for new comer:)
[07:33] <socomm> Damn X^(
[07:33] <socomm> Morphalus.
[07:33] <zenpod> oscarh, same error occurs with mplayer-586 too
[07:33] <socomm> Not MornHyland.
[07:33] <Morphalus> i know when you speak to MornHyland you speak to me :p
[07:34] <socomm> ddd: You can create your own LiveCD, checkout slax they have a script there designed especially designed for that.
[07:34] <oscarh> ddd, sorry, i don't really know, but i guess i can look into it in a minute or two
[07:34] <RuffianSoldier> barn animal
[07:34] <socomm> ddd: Let me get a link for you.
[07:34] <hub> hi
[07:35] <ddd> ok
[07:35] <Morphalus> slack 10.0 is not heavy to use !
[07:35] <hub> I just upgraded from Debian/unstable to Ubunutu/Hoary
[07:35] <hub> in gnome, I no longer have workspace switching with ctrl-meta-arrow
[07:35] <hub> why ?
[07:35] <socomm> Morphalus: Yes I know, GNOME was the more probable culprit.
[07:36] <|QuaD-__> hub: at least you have a working desktop :)
[07:36] <derJunior> someone an idea for my problem? http://www.nopaste.info/?id=79
[07:36] <|QuaD-__> kde and gnome are fighting for a file on mine
[07:36] <Morphalus> i tried use dropline on a slack 10.0, bad result :( so i don't try now
[07:36] <hub> never had KDE installed
[07:37] <|QuaD-__> hub: me neither
[07:37] <hub> other than that, works fine
[07:37] <socomm> ddd: http://www.linux-live.org/
[07:37] <socomm> MornHyland: I understand.
[07:37] <daniels> (onjoin spamming)
[07:37] <socomm> Grrrrrrr. Morphalus, not MornHyland.
[07:37] <jdub> thanks daniels
[07:37] <Morphalus> lol
[07:37] <daniels> no worries
[07:37] <daniels> to share ...
[07:37] <ddd> socomm:one of reason I used ubuntu and debian cause they use gnome as default wm :)
[07:37] <mos__> whats the format for a hosts entry?
[07:38] <hub> the other problem is that the wirelss applet says "no wireless device"
[07:38] <hub> but eth1 is available on my airport carfd
[07:38] <hub> (it has worked)
[07:38] <Rocha> How can I know the name of the distribution i'm running from the command line?
[07:38] <socomm> ddd: GNOME == DE. Metacity == WM.
[07:39] <Morphalus> the force of slackware for me, it is a distro who i've an entire liberty, when i break the system, i go to back simply
[07:39] <ddd> socomm, OK :)
[07:39] <RuffianSoldier> HOw do I upgrade my dependencies to hoary
[07:39] <RuffianSoldier> I just want one app from hoary repos
[07:39] <Morphalus> apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:39] <RuffianSoldier> I dont want a whole upgrade
[07:40] <billytwowilly> isn't the guy who makes slackware really sick right now?
[07:40] <RuffianSoldier> I just want to snatch something from the repos
[07:40] <|QuaD-__> oddly enough if i try to remove kdelibs4, kdelibs-bin, or kdelibs-data it tries to remove gnome
[07:40] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: you can do that, but it's not supported and probably won't work at this point
[07:40] <|QuaD-__> lol
[07:40] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 - Just getting something from the repos?
[07:40] <socomm> Morphalus: You might like FreeBSD.
[07:40] <socomm> RuffianSoldier: Huh?
[07:40] <Morphalus> to install the last beep media player i change repos to hoary and after install it i rechange repos to warty
[07:40] <billytwowilly> quad you're stuck in the same dependency hell I was.
[07:40] <|QuaD-__> billytwowilly: how did you fix it
[07:41] <bob2> how did you manage to get into 'dependency hell'?
[07:41] <|QuaD-__> bob2: i am in it now
[07:41] <Morphalus> and i tried to use freebsd but i had a problem, i don't forget what was the problem
[07:41] <billytwowilly> |QuaD-, let me make sure you are in the same situation I was first;) it's trying to remove gnome panel right? Because you had some kde stuff installed, it did an upgrade and failed?
[07:41] <Morphalus> i don't forget = i forget :)
[07:41] <ddd> socomm, have u ever try that live-cd script?
[07:42] <|QuaD-__> apt-get remove kdelibs-bin also removes  gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-panel gnome-panel-data kdelibs-bin
[07:42] <socomm> ddd: No but I've tried the Freesbie script.
[07:42] <|QuaD-__> thats not apt-get remove its aptitude remove
[07:42] <billytwowilly> |QuaD-, yah, you are in the same situation. It's because of the menus change.
[07:43] <socomm> ddd: I was thinking about building my own live-cd with emulators+roms but never had the hdd space to do it.
[07:43] <|QuaD-__> billytwowilly: if i remove the gnome panel, i lose all the icons i put on there though right?
[07:43] <Morphalus> but the system of partitionning of freebsd is strange
[07:43] <billytwowilly> |QuaD-, I fixed it by going to command line and using dpkg -r --remove-all and individually deleting each of the conflicting kde packages.
[07:43] <billytwowilly> |QuaD-, then I dist-upgraded and gnome fixed itself.
[07:43] <socomm> MornHyland: Yes it's alittle different, but after awhile you'll get used to it.
[07:44] <billytwowilly> |QuaD-, It's a gigantic PITA.
[07:44] <|QuaD-__> billytwowilly: do you still have your customized panels from b4?
[07:44] <Morphalus> i will re read documentations about freebsd
[07:44] <billytwowilly> |QuaD-, the menus are completely screwed right now. They are gnome default. I still have my panels, but the applications and actions menu are totally different.
[07:44] <socomm> Morphalus: Yeah, I think you'll like FreeBSD. The kernel  compilation is very easy, and the ports system is a joy to use.
[07:45] <Morphalus> :)
[07:45] <|QuaD-__> billytwowilly: thats why i don't want to do anything yet
[07:45] <zenpod> is anyone else getting dependancy errors for mplayer-586 from merillat in warty?
[07:45] <mos__> zenpod: yeah
[07:45] <billytwowilly> |QuaD-, well, you can try to use it like it is, but it might be unstable...
[07:46] <socomm> zenpod: I use mplayer-nogui.
[07:46] <zenpod> mos__, so basically, I will never be able to install mplayer in warty, since I don't think warty is about to have it's packages updated
[07:46] <billytwowilly> |QuaD-, what kde stuff do you have installed anyway?
[07:46] <zenpod> socomm, same error for me with that
[07:46] <|QuaD-__> none
[07:46] <|QuaD-__> i don't think
[07:46] <mos__> zenpod: apparently they upgraded some dependancies and arent on that repo yet
[07:46] <|QuaD-__> i had somehting
[07:46] <|QuaD-__> i guess i never removed the libs
[07:46] <zenpod> mos__, yeah.  I have no idea what to do about it.
[07:47] <billytwowilly> |QuaD-, then just use dpkg to delete the kde stuff that is conflicting. You'll have to do that eventually anyway.
[07:47] <zenpod> mplayer-custom in multiverse crashes
[07:47] <zenpod> so that's not an option
[07:47] <|QuaD-__> billytwowilly: how do i make sure there are no dependencies that i am forgetting about
[07:47] <mos__> zenpod: well you could add more debian repos as universe but i advise against that
[07:47] <art> hi
[07:47] <billytwowilly> |QuaD-, if you do an apt-get dist-upgrade it will tell you what is conflicting. Don't let it go through with it though.
[07:48] <|QuaD-__> before or after i remove the libs?
[07:48] <zenpod> mos__, so prettymuch anyone who doesn't already have mplayer installed is screwed?
[07:48] <zenpod> or has to compile from source?
[07:48] <mos__> zenpod: yeah pretty much
[07:48] <zenpod> that.. sucks.
[07:49] <trans_err> does the vnc server included in gnome include the java client?
[07:49] <billytwowilly> |QuaD-, apt-get dist-upgrade first, don't let it go through with it, note what kde stuff is conflicting, dpkg -r --force-all package name, then dist-upgrade again, note what that borked on the kde side, then dpkg -r --force-all those packages
[07:49] <ddd> ok think it's enough with test on livecd i'll reboot then :) conclusion:not too bad :)
[07:49] <billytwowilly> Then dist-upgrade again and let it go through. That should fix it.
[07:49] <scizzo> seems like logitech x-flat keyboard works fine under ubuntu
[07:50] <mos__> zenpod: i belive that there is an app to convert .rpms to .debs and i think mplayer has rpms you could get
[07:50] <|QuaD-__> billytwowilly: dist upgrade with a -f
[07:50] <art> is it possible to transfer an iptables file saved under Mandrake Linux 10.1 with an "service iptables save" command to a freshly installed ubuntu Installation?
[07:50] <billytwowilly> |QuaD-, I don't know what the -f will do. Just don't let dist-upgrade actually go through with it until you get rid of the kde stuff.
[07:50] <scizzo> mos__: you mean alien?
[07:51] <oik> I've found a workaround for my b0rked x.org/hoary
[07:51] <|QuaD-__> without -f : gnome-panel: Depends: gnome-menus but it is not installed
[07:51] <mos__> i think thats what its called
[07:51] <punkass> this isnt really a ubuntu releated question but:
[07:51] <scizzo> mos__: alien can konvert rpms to debs
[07:51] <jo> Hello, I want to use free Java tools with Ubuntu. I already noticed that sable-vm can be used as a virtual machine. But which Java compiler should I use?
[07:51] <punkass> i have 24 mil line file and i want to get the last 3 mill lines out of it...what would be the best way?....i was going to try a tail -3000000 > newfile.txt
[07:51] <oik> should I file a bug so that the workaround is enabled by default?
[07:52] <billytwowilly> |QuaD-, oh.. apt is already borken then... Do you remember what package the gnome-menus package conflicted with? I think it was kdelibs-data
[07:52] <eruin> whats that program nano is based on / a clone of?
[07:52] <jo> eruin, pico
[07:52] <eruin> cheers =)
[07:52] <mos__> jeeezus 24 million lines... thats a big file punkass
[07:52] <socomm> eruin: pico, which is part of the pine email program.
[07:52] <oik> jo: isn't gcj the least buggy free java?
[07:53] <jo> oik, but can gcj ouput .class files instead of native code?
[07:53] <oik> yes
[07:53] <Rene_S> No arabica is the least buggy, used to be Columbian but one too many bugs
[07:54] <RuffianSoldier> Anyone here use GDesklets?
[07:54] <Rene_S> I hear that Jamaican Bluemountain is good too but its really non-free
[07:55] <jo> oik, oh ok, didn't know that. I have always used the Sun VM, but wanted to try the free tools too. Guess Mono's got an advantage here, since MS .NET isn't available for Linux while Sun's VM is. The classpath hackers certainly deserve some respect too ;-)
[07:55] <punkass> mos__: hehe yes it is
[07:55] <art> anybody know where iptables saves its configs in ubuntu? the Directory it was located in Mandrake 10.1 doesnt exist in ubuntu
[07:55] <oik> jo: also look at jikes
[07:55] <Rene_S> billytwowilly, pick one and go with it.  I was doing coffee
[07:56] <jo> oik, I did try jikes, but it could't find the class library... Maybe gcj will automatically find the library :-) Damn I'm spoiled...
[07:56] <ToTo> http://tilde.homelinux.org/~toto/Gnome-Tormso.png
[07:57] <Rene_S> Poor actions menu, had to take one for the team this week eh ?
[07:59] <RuffianSoldier> anyone here use Gdesklets?
[07:59] <zAo^> can I just do a apt-get update; apt-get upgrade for hoarty? (ATI Radeon)
[07:59] <oik> jo: what are you using java for, as a matter of interest?
[07:59] <Rene_S> aww man toto. your screen shot got stuck half way and my wife hit me in the head, she thought the hut tops were nipples
[08:00] <jo> to work on a program that started as a school project a few years ago... -> Developing :-)
[08:01] <|QuaD-__> ToTo: you running gdesklets?
[08:01] <jo> oik, I suppose most existing jdk-1.4 programs won't run with the free tools?
[08:01] <ToTo> |QuaD-, no
[08:02] <oik> jo: nope
[08:02] <|QuaD-__> toto: what is the memory meter
[08:02] <oik> jo: not unless they were written specially to work with them
[08:02] <ToTo> torsmo
[08:02] <defunkt> can somone help me install an mp3 encoder so that i can rip cds to mp3s in sound juicer?
[08:02] <|QuaD-__> thats nice i like it
[08:02] <jo> oik, such as Eclipse?
[08:02] <mos__> i need to go kill my isp....thier dns server is down
[08:02] <PotajiTo> lol it really look like tow nipples xD
[08:03] <oik> jo: eclipse does work with gcj
[08:04] <oik> but it had a lot of effort put into making it work (mainly redhat). which is similar to being specially written, i suppose!
[08:04] <eruin> yay, my pretty host :)
[08:04] <TibiaHater> wow..
[08:04] <TibiaHater> i removed evolution from ubuntu
[08:04] <TibiaHater> and....
[08:04] <Rene_S> PotajiTo, yeah my wife pointed that out with a chatelaine magazine to the skull, she is not helpfull
[08:04] <|QuaD-__> TibiaHater: i did that toooo
[08:04] <TibiaHater> the gnome panel along with gaim also where removed
[08:04] <TibiaHater> :s
[08:05] <Benotti> Ive downloaded the firefox 1.0 binary from mozilla.org and I can install it, but how do I install it on top of v0.9.3? (so the shortcut in the menu and toppanel point to v1.0)
[08:05] <catdog> zenpod: no joy with multimedia howto, then? (re: mplayer install)
[08:05] <jo> oik, which Java version is _completely_ supported? Rewriting Eclipse to get it running on gcj kind of defeats the purpose of free java VM's and compilers.
[08:05] <mos__> TibiaHater: you only have to leave one part on there (evolution-server i belive)
[08:05] <TibiaHater> but |QuaD-__ did it remove the GNOME PANEL???
[08:05] <TibiaHater> i gues...
[08:05] <TibiaHater> but well
[08:05] <TibiaHater> i reinstalled the gnome panel and gaim
[08:05] <TibiaHater> ...
[08:06] <TibiaHater> everything is fine again
[08:06] <zenpod> catdog, some of the files mentioned no longer exist
[08:06] <oik_> jo: not at all - most of the effort in getting eclipse to run on gcj was fixes/improvements to gcj, not eclipse.
[08:06] <|QuaD-__> TibiaHater: nope
[08:06] <oik_> ... if that makes any sense
[08:06] <TibiaHater> ohh
[08:06] <TibiaHater> ok
[08:06] <TibiaHater> :)
[08:06] <TibiaHater> anyone here whos into wifi?
[08:07] <jo> oik_, oh ok I see. That's good :-) I thought they changed Eclipse's source code to get it running
[08:07] <catdog> zenpod: ah, you're right. The links have changed. However, if you go to the mplayer homepage (sorry, no link, google for it), you'll get fresh links.
[08:08] <jo> oik_: mmm...gcj complains about a missing spec file and jikes can't find the class library..
[08:09] <oik> jo: jikes needs a separate JRE to work, I believe
[08:09] <catdog> zenpod: the howto is slightly out of date with the exact version numbers, but otherwise it works okay
[08:10] <Nighty> hi! which version of gnome is included in ubuntu
[08:10] <oik> jo: I am using sun's JDK, not GCJ, so I can't really comment on spec files and suchlike.
[08:10] <mos__> Nighty: its not the latest one yet
[08:10] <Nighty> 2.6?
[08:10] <jo> oik, no problem, I think I'll return to Sun's too for now..
[08:11] <zenpod> catdog, where do I get the current version numbers?
[08:11] <Ribs> wtf
[08:11] <Ribs> every time I use Abiword, it thinks I'm typeing menu shortcuts
[08:11] <Ribs> when I'm just actually typing
[08:13] <oik> jo: hopefully the GCJ thing is just a packaging problem, but at least the sun stuff works.
[08:13] <jo> oik, thanks for your help. I'm off now, bye!
[08:15] <trans_err> does vino have the http server built in?
[08:18] <eruin> how would I set the default shell for my user from commandline?
[08:18] <eruin> without root/sudo
[08:18] <eruin> at all possible?
[08:18] <akabigbro> Hello all.
[08:18] <eruin> the server I'm sshing into has me set up with tcsh by default, which I'm totally unfamiliar with
[08:19] <akabigbro> Is there a hardware compatibility list that can be viewed?
[08:20] <magneto> any devs around?
[08:21] <magneto> developers?
[08:22] <Amaranth> What kind of developers?
[08:22] <Rene_S> film ?
[08:22] <magneto> hoary
[08:22] <magneto> gnome
[08:22] <Amaranth> uh
[08:22] <Amaranth> you mean ubuntu?
[08:22] <Amaranth> GNOME is something different and hoary is a version of Ubuntu
[08:23] <magneto> uhh no i mean windows xp
[08:23] <magneto> The ubuntu devs in charge of gnome
[08:23] <jab> hehe
[08:23] <Amaranth> maintainer says Maintainer: Jordi Mallach <jordi@debian.org>
[08:25] <Amaranth> whats the problem?
[08:25] <wood1> Hi to all
[08:25] <magneto> hoary menus
[08:25] <Amaranth> yeah, known issue
[08:25] <magneto> which aspect is known
[08:25] <Amaranth> GNOME switched to the freedesktop.org menu specification
[08:26] <magneto> i know
[08:26] <akabigbro> I just wanted to find out if the D-Link DWL-650+ is compatible with Ubuntu?
[08:26] <Amaranth> akabigbro: If it's compatible with one distro it should be compatible for all of them.
[08:26] <Amaranth> magneto: Ok, be more specific.
[08:26] <magneto> but that shouldnt have removed applications:/// should it? or right click shortcut addition to menus
[08:27] <Amaranth> pretty sure that's a side effect of the change
[08:27] <Amaranth> they don't have the new system finished yet
[08:27] <tritium> Is there an "incoming" for ubuntu?
[08:27] <Amaranth> incoming?
[08:27] <akabigbro> well, lets put it this way: The Intel Pro Wireless is supported under all of the distributions, but you have to compile it yourself...under Ubuntu I did not have to compile the driver for the ipw1100
[08:28] <tritium> Amaranth, where new packages are placed before they're put into the pool.
[08:28] <akabigbro> ipw2100
[08:28] <Amaranth> tritium: afaik they just go straight to the pool
[08:28] <tritium> I see.
[08:30] <farruinn> magneto, so says Jeff Waugh: "This is a temporary reversion to the upstream menu layout while we port our changes to the new upstream menu system It's more important that the new menu code is tested than we have our changes present in the devel branch of Ubuntu."
[08:32] <magneto> farruinn- thanks Im familiar with that just wanted to ask a specific question if I could catch the right person but I will use email and the mailing lists
[08:32] <tritium> I'm just too excited about evolution 2.0.3 -- this bug is finally fixed: http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=67991
[08:33] <farruinn> magneto, ok.  I think the key word in that e-mail is *temporary*, so I'm sure the problems that people are experiencing aren't permanent
[08:33] <wezzer> greetings from fresh installed ubuntu :)
[08:34] <|QuaD-__> wezzer: nice :)
[08:35] <hub> wezzer: I just upgraded from Debian
[08:35] <hub> today
[08:36] <wezzer> :)
[08:36] <wezzer> Ubuntu is very nice
[08:36] <magneto> faruinn- i know that cmon its the dang dev branch- there are some issues that arent in the mailing list or in the forums that might just be administrative moves and not just things that are broken
[08:36] <trans_err> I want to run a vncserver to share :0, but vncserver says that a vnc is already running at :0... an examination of my jobs reveals no such thing
[08:37] <farruinn> vino is your vnc server
[08:37] <trans_err> no, i removed vino
[08:37] <farruinn> oh, no idea then
[08:37] <trans_err> vino doesn't have the java client
[08:37] <|QuaD-__> trans_err: i think sharing :0 is difficult
[08:38] <trans_err> |QuaD-__, vino did it
[08:39] <magneto> farruinn- i know :) but i do appreciate the attempt
[08:41] <farruinn> magneto, no offense meant, it's just that there are people of many varying levels of experience/knowledge on this channel
[08:41] <|QuaD-__> trans_err: interesting
[08:41] <|QuaD-__> we need a ncurses client for thunderbird :)
[08:41] <magneto> i know farruinn thats why i said i appreciate the attempt - i know you guys are here helping
[08:44] <catdog> zenpod: sorry been afk. mplayer's download page is here http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html. All you need do is take the latest source (v1.0pre5), codecs (essential package), fonts (arial, western) and skin (blue). Download them into your home directory and follow the howto.
[08:47] <farruinn> I'm having trouble with mysqld.  It appears to be listening (I've commented out skip-networking) but it's not accepting connections. I have _no_ mysql knowledge
[08:47] <farruinn> Any thoughts?
[08:47] <catdog> zenpod: as I say, the font pakage's version number varies slightly from that on the howto page, but if you just change the number appropriately it should work without problem.
[08:48] <akabigbro> so there is no hardware matrix that I can reference?
[08:49] <catdog> zenpod: Also, if you're planning to use mplayer's mencoder to make DivX files, install lame and liblame dev from M
[08:49] <catdog> zenpod. bah. ...from the Marillat repos.
[08:49] <farruinn> akabigbro, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport ?
[08:51] <farruinn> aka, I see ipw2100 and ipw2200 listed, looks like people have had more luck with the 2200, or the 2100 hasn't been tested much
[08:52] <akabigbro> farruinn: that was very helpfull, the DWL-650+ is supported just as the ipw2100 and yes the ipw2200 is; Thank you very much.
[09:01] <nowlin> is it possible to get thom's networkmanager to work in debian??
[09:02] <palle1> can't i burn iso and bin files in k3b???
[09:02] <magneto> palle1 iso yes bin no
[09:03] <Ribs> iso2bin soon fixes that
[09:03] <Ribs> Gnome can burn .iso files itself anyway
[09:03] <magneto> for bins u need an app to change them to iso's  google for bin cue to iso its a commandline app that will  -i defer to ribs
[09:03] <palle1> magneto: what should i do if i wan't to burn bin then?
[09:03] <magneto> iso2bin
[09:03] <Ribs> erm
[09:03] <Ribs> bin2iso :)
[09:03] <palle1> okay thanx
[09:04] <Ribs> I knew what I meant :P
[09:04] <farruinn> Ribs, haha, I was wondering about that =)
[09:04] <Ribs> *I* knew what I meant, that's all that matters
[09:09] <britt_radiofree> can someone confirm that typeahead does not work in epiphany?
[09:10] <LinuxJones> Does anybody have any experience with hosting a BitTorrent stream ?
[09:10] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: no, but i don't assume its that hard, whats the problem
[09:11] <painiac> anyone here knows how i can update my glibc? its not in apt-get apparently
[09:11] <|QuaD-__> painiac: warty or hoary
[09:12] <painiac> warty on amd64
[09:12] <painiac> its 2.2 now should get it to atleast 2.3.3
[09:12] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, I am looking for some statistical comparison between traditional file transfer methods like ftp and Bittorrent. I need to know how much potential bandwidth savings you gain by using BT over say FTP or Http.
[09:12] <|QuaD-__> warty is frozen... so it won't be put into their archives
[09:13] <|QuaD-__> painiac: you can pull the source from hoary
[09:13] <|QuaD-__> and compile it
[09:13] <painiac> how do i do that?
[09:13] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: hmm
[09:13] <|QuaD-__> couldn't tell you there... i don't think you "save" any
[09:13] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, I know it is going to vary depending on client's behind routers etc.. jsut a head to head comparison
[09:13] <farruinn> painiac, I think the easiest way is to do it through synaptic
[09:13] <|QuaD-__> you still transfer the same size files
[09:13] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, eh ?
[09:13] <magneto> linuxjones- google theres plenty of info out there
[09:14] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, yeah but the clients help with the distribution as well
[09:14] <Synek> Hm
[09:14] <LinuxJones> magneto, ya :)
[09:14] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: you aren't saving bandwith... transferring a 70mb file is 70mb on ftp, http, and bt
[09:14] <catdog> painiac: Well, you can change the appropriate lines in /etc/apt/sources.list so they read hoary rather than warty, do your upgrade, then change them back.
[09:14] <|QuaD-__> i would actually imagine that bt is worse
[09:14] <|QuaD-__> but i odn't know for sure
[09:15] <magneto> tru quad - with loss and errors
[09:15] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, but the clients help with distributing the data to each other as opposed to getting it all from 1 server
[09:15] <Synek> Actually if you have a good pipe bt is more effcient
[09:15] <farruinn> catdog, wouldn't that break his apt?
[09:15] <Synek> you don't rely on one's server speed
[09:15] <zenpod> Can anyone tell me where I can find the industrial theme for the warty firefox?
[09:15] <catdog> painiac: but don't blame ubuntu if things break....
[09:15] <magneto> linuxjones - sometimes i download 350mb for a 320mb file with bt
[09:15] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: right
[09:15] <|QuaD-__> magneto: i was thinking about the extra connections causing extra overhead
[09:15] <catdog> farruinn: well, yes :)
[09:16] <painiac> catdog wouldn't dare
[09:16] <|QuaD-__> magneto: i didn't think about errors
[09:16] <LinuxJones> magneto, that's odd
[09:16] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: no it isn't
[09:16] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: there are errors all the time
[09:16] <catdog> I've used hoary's version of ndiswrapper like that.
[09:16] <magneto> Linuxjones- no its common
[09:16] <magneto> moreso with bt than ftp scp http
[09:17] <farruinn> painiac, I think if you add the hoary repository to your sources.list but then go to synaptic's "expert" preference pane and select warty as the default archive you'll be safe
[09:17] <|QuaD-__> and the bt requires more cpu time, because it does checksums regardless of your preferences
[09:17] <LinuxJones> magneto, Isn't tracker information also downloaded to get the different bits from different clients. Maybe that adds to the overhead as well
[09:17] <farruinn> painiac, that way you can add specific packages from hoary while maintaining a warty install
[09:17] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: this stuff to the overhead is soo small, the point is that a 70mb file IS a 70mb file
[09:17] <farruinn> painiac, but really I would suggest you just go with what's in warty, I mean it's not that stale
[09:17] <LinuxJones> magneto, I't research time regardless ;)
[09:17] <newtolinux> how would i update every package on my system?
[09:18] <catdog> farruinn: that's essentially what I meant
[09:18] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: what do you need the data for
[09:18] <farruinn> newtolinux, sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:18] <farruinn> at the terminal
[09:18] <magneto> Linuxjones: is it for server load issues?
[09:18] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, a project I am working on for later this fall
[09:18] <LinuxJones> magneto, yes
[09:18] <|QuaD-__> what type
[09:19] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, distribution of lots and lots of data :D
[09:19] <newtolinux> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:19] <newtolinux> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:19] <newtolinux> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:19] <newtolinux> does tha mean im fully uptodate?
[09:19] <farruinn> yes
[09:19] <magneto> linuxjones-  could be a cheap solution
[09:19] <painiac> farruinn, i need that lib to install Q3 and ET
[09:19] <magneto> depending on a few things
[09:19] <painiac> wont install on AMD64 with the 2.2 version
[09:19] <|QuaD-__> magneto: its not ideal in EVERY situation
[09:20] <newtolinux> another question, how long does it take to receive cd's orderd at the ubuntu site
[09:20] <magneto> im assuming the data changes daily weekly - disparate locations
[09:20] <farruinn> painiac, ok, if there's aren't warty packages for those then you probably want to go with what I mentioned before
[09:20] <LinuxJones> magneto, I am thinking that RSS combined with BT will work quite nicely, I guess I will goto a BT irc channel and ask some questions. Thanks for the info guys :)
[09:20] <magneto> quad- of course not- but he obviously wants a nonstandard solution
[09:20] <painiac> will try it :)
[09:20] <magneto> gl linuxjones
[09:21] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, ftp or http is far too expensive for my limited budget
[09:21] <LinuxJones> ty :)
[09:21] <|QuaD-__> painiac: ?
[09:21] <palle1> when i try to open an iso file in k3b it says "could not open document!"
[09:21] <farruinn> painiac, just keep in mind that's what I *would* do, not saying I've ever done it ;-)
[09:21] <AndyR> lo ppl
[09:21] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: don't forget, people have to sitll have the tracker and fully downloaded fil on there come to seed
[09:21] <farruinn> palle1, nautilus or cdrecord aren't working?
[09:21] <magneto> palle1 - choose burn data disc
[09:21] <painiac> farruinn, doesn't matter, its on a test machine, it it is fuckz0red i just reinstall
[09:22] <painiac> firt it = if
[09:22] <magneto> palle1- permissions?
[09:22] <farruinn> painiac, haha, those machiens are always the most fun!
[09:22] <painiac> especially since it is not mine :)
[09:22] <palle1> nautilus is working cdrecord i don't know...
[09:22] <painiac> its for a friend of my brother, he wanted a new PC but no more windows :p
[09:23] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, yeah but I am hoping people will be generous :)
[09:23] <painiac> so i'm trying out this distro to see if it would be good for him
[09:23] <MFen> all right, all the howtos are lying. how do you enable nfs on ubuntu?
[09:23] <painiac> i'm a gentoo user myself
[09:23] <farruinn> palle1, if you just right-click on the iso in nautilus you get the option to burn to disc
[09:23] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: how much bandwith do you need?
[09:23] <newtolinux> question, how long does it take to receive cd's orderd at the ubuntu site?
[09:23] <|QuaD-__> i pay 3.95/month for 5GB and 110 gb of transfer per month
[09:23] <palle1> aha, ok thnx farruinn =)
[09:23] <|QuaD-__> i can hook you up with the guy
[09:23] <MFen> i've added our network addresses to /etc/hosts.allow, i've fixed /etc/default/portmap and it still binds to localhost
[09:23] <MFen> what's the problem?
[09:24] <MFen> o
[09:24] <MFen> i get connection refused on e.g. showmount
[09:24] <MFen> and netstat -l shows that the services are bound to localhost.localdomain
[09:24] <magneto> Quad- what about php and mysql? can I get the info too :)
[09:24] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, Off the top of my head about 150 gig/month
[09:24] <catdog> newtolinux: I don't know, but don't expect them anytime soon if you've only just requested (I think the region of 6-8 weeks might be accurate - anyone?)
[09:24] <|QuaD-__> magneto: sure pm me
[09:25] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, wtf, that's incredible. Wherre are the servers located in the US ?
[09:25] <|QuaD-__> florida
[09:25] <painiac> farruinn, were do i find what to add to sources.list?
[09:25] <palle1> when i doubleclick on the iso-file it seems corrupted files and folders are named ______ ___  ____ _______
[09:26] <palle1> or it's suposed to be like that?
[09:26] <|QuaD-__> magneto, Linuxjones: instead of talking here, pm me about this, because its offtopic
[09:27] <farruinn> painiac, just create a new line that mimics the line already there (deb http://archive....) but enter hoary instead of warty
[09:27] <painiac> oh ok
[09:27] <painiac> thx
[09:28] <Muskrat>  Suppose that real objects acted like subatomic particals (ie: quantinum physics). Now, you have a manufacturing plant, in which you package toys for Mattel. On your input conveyor belt, you have a random assortment of Barbie dolls and Kens. Half the toys, no matter the type, come with a white shirt, while the other half come with a black shirt.
[09:28] <Muskrat> 
[09:28] <Muskrat> At the first juntion, you have a machine in which will split the inputted dolls into a Ken conveyor belt and a Barbie conveyor belt. At the end of these lines, you package the dolls and ship them out. The stores are happy that the Kens are in the Ken boxes, and the Barbies are in the Barbie boxes, but would like the different Kens and Barbies to be packaged with a label saying if they have a white or a black shirt to make them easier to org
[09:28] <Muskrat> 
[09:28] <Muskrat>  When you ship out your boxes to the stores, they soon call back and complain about a packaging mistake. What was the mistake?
[09:31] <|QuaD-__> LOL
[09:33] <newtolinux> anyone know how long it takes to ship the ubuntu cd's?
[09:34] <scoon> newtolinux, a while.  some ordered in October and have yet to get them
[09:34] <scoon> others seem to get them pretty quick
[09:35] <Muskrat> took about 3 months for me to get them
[09:35] <newtolinux> :/
[09:35] <Ribs> Given it's free, you can't complain :P
[09:36] <Muskrat> yup
[09:36] <Synek> ;)
[09:36] <z99tms> Hey folks..........anyone have any trouble getting their dialup working?
[09:36] <z99tms> I downloaded gnome-ppp, but it won't detect my modem
[09:36] <Synek> nope, isdn just working fine
[09:36] <z99tms> toshiba laptop
[09:36] <Muskrat> I had forgotten, it arrived and i was like wtf is ubuntu
[09:37] <ulisse> Hi all
[09:39] <hypa7ia> hey anyone know how to enable incoming ssh on the livecd?
[09:41] <Ribs> sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start ?
[09:42] <Ribs> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start ?
[09:42] <Ribs> (no d)
[09:43] <Ribs> I'm just guessing here
[09:43] <Ribs> prehaps it's not on there at all
[09:43] <Ribs> *shrug*
[09:43] <hypa7ia> i think it isn't :-/
[09:43] <farruinn> is sshd part of the default install?
[09:43] <hypa7ia> nor the livecd
[09:46] <RuffianSoldier> http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=screenshot6zb.png
[09:47] <hypa7ia> nice, RuffianSoldier
[09:47] <lizdeika> now thats one sick desktop
[09:47] <RuffianSoldier> TY
[09:47] <RuffianSoldier> Its BeatrIX Linux - its based off Ubuntu and Knoppix
[09:47] <hypa7ia> what do you use for the dock?
[09:47] <RuffianSoldier> GDesklets
[09:48] <RuffianSoldier> I added hoary repos just ot get it lol
[09:48] <|QuaD-__> RuffianSoldier: thats when i upgraded to hoary :)
[09:48] <RuffianSoldier> Ya BeatrIX uses Ubuntu repos - and its Knoppix remeastered
[09:48] <RuffianSoldier> its very slick
[09:49] <hypa7ia> neatoooo
[09:49] <hypa7ia> i want hoary :-/
[09:49] <hypa7ia> last attempt trashed everything tho :-((
[09:49] <Ribs> hypa7ia: Wait until April :P
[09:49] <Ribs> April fool! mwhahaha
[09:50] <hypa7ia> i'll wait till there's a slightly more working installer
[09:50] <hypa7ia> then do a clean hoary install
[09:50] <afonit> if anyone on here is doing the horay updates, does it include inkscape .40?
[09:51] <BockBilbo> hello
[09:52] <Ribs> yes
[09:52] <Ribs> 0.40-1
[09:53] <magneto> hypa- im running hoary - no crashes here
[09:54] <hypa7ia> it wasn't a crash... i was a dumbass and didn't switch to utf-8 before upgrading...
[09:55] <magneto> ohhhh upgrade
[09:55] <theine> what's this new /.dev directory I suddenly have?
[09:55] <magneto> i didnt dare try that
[09:55] <magneto> i just backed up  my /etc and /home/ and /boot and did a new install
[09:56] <hypa7ia> i tried installing
[09:56] <hypa7ia> but the cd didn't get my lappy's cd drive
[09:59] <magneto> hypa - thats weird - im running on a dell now with dvd-cdrw-  that could be fixed though hypa :)
[10:01] <hypa7ia> yeah, i'm sure it will be
[10:10] <|QuaD-__> i have this crontab listing: * */3 * * * php -r "include(dsafdsafds);"
[10:10] <|QuaD-__> i want it to happen every 3 hours, but it happens every minute or so
[10:11] <|QuaD-__> and it emails me everytime it happens
[10:11] <|QuaD-__> how can i stop it from eamiling me and time it right
[10:15] <strestout1_> anyone here? i'm having a big problem with ubuntu since i updated to hoary
[10:15] <housetier> |QuaD- to stop from emailing redirect the output to /dev/null
[10:16] <|QuaD-__> so just add a >null?
[10:16] <strestout1_> oh good people are here...since i update to hoary yesterday, when i put my login name and password and hit enter, my entire system freezes
[10:17] <farruinn> strestout1_, is this only at gdm or at the command line too?
[10:17] <strestout1_> gdm
[10:17] <Ribs> strestout1_: Which is why you shouldn't be using hoary unless you really know what you are doing.
[10:17] <Ribs> do yourself a favour, go back
[10:18] <farruinn> strest
[10:18] <strestout1_> yes?
[10:18] <painiac> farruinn, i added the sources and stuff, but i can't find the glibc-package :s
[10:18] <farruinn> painiac, I thinkt he package it libc6
[10:18] <strestout1_> problem with going back to warty is that my mouse kinda quits working after a while
[10:18] <padlefot> thats XF96
[10:19] <padlefot> not worty
[10:19] <farruinn> strestout1_, try going to pseudo terminal 1 (alt+ctrl+F1) and login there
[10:19] <padlefot> *86
[10:19] <strestout1_> it will still move, but i cant click anything
[10:19] <strestout1_> np...ty farruinn
[10:19] <farruinn> strestout1_, if you can login there then try to mv .ICEauthority .ICEauthority.old
[10:19] <farruinn> that may or may not work though because usually if that's the problem y ou get an error from gdm
[10:19] <farruinn> as opposed to a freeze
[10:20] <strestout1_> i was hoping there would be an easier fix than going back to warty...i will try that today farruinn
[10:21] <strestout1_> thanx again
[10:22] <karlheg> Applications | Multimedia | Music Player does not work.  Is this known?  FAQ?  Where?
[10:23] <Ribs> karlheg: works just fine here.
[10:23] <karlheg> Here it just hangs and makes no sound.
[10:23] <Ribs> Does sound in general work?
[10:24] <karlheg> This is a fresh Warty install on a laptop with i810 audio.
[10:24] <Ribs> Do you hear that funky ubuntu tune when you log in?
[10:24] <entil> hello all
[10:24] <karlheg> Yes.
[10:24] <karlheg> Sounds for desktop events play.
[10:24] <andrea> hi
[10:24] <karlheg> Yup.
[10:24] <karlheg> I like it.
[10:24] <entil> do you have time for a stupid question concerning installation from a usb cdrom drive?-)
[10:24] <karlheg> Ubuntu is what Debian belongs being.
[10:24] <entil> ie. has anone accomplished this? :)
[10:24] <karlheg> Does your BIOS boot it?
[10:24] <beb0s> entil: not me, sorry
[10:24] <Ribs> enabl: if the BIOS can boot from it, I suspect you'll be okay
[10:25] <karlheg> Hmmm... but when linux takes over, it must load driver for that USB CD.
[10:25] <entil> karl: I must boot from pxe, and it goes pretty well pretty far, it says it mounted root ext2, must be the initrd, but then the kernel dies with VFS unable to mount root
[10:26] <karlheg> PXE?  So you are net booting, not booting the USB CD
[10:26] <entil> I tried pretty much anything, /dev/cdrom, /dev/usb/cd, /dev/sd, /dev/sda and all that, /dev/scd
[10:26] <entil> oh no, that is not possible
[10:26] <entil> I must change the root to point to the usb device for this to work
[10:26] <karlheg> /dev/scd0 ?
[10:26] <entil> of course I might be able to nfsroot the ubuntu installer
[10:26] <entil> tried and failed
[10:26] <karlheg> or /dev/scd
[10:27] <entil> but if I do that I must almost certainly recompile a kernel for the installer
[10:27] <entil> and /dev/scd failed
[10:27] <carthikSchool> I need the kernel-source for my version of the kernel-image and it is not in the ubuntu repository. So can I use the debian repository's kernel?
[10:27] <entil> I have tried nine roots so far
[10:27] <karlheg> History Channel on today... really cool shows about AI and Robotics.
[10:27] <karlheg> carthikSchool, Probably.
[10:27] <masquerade> does anyone know if ubuntu uses kernel sources directly from debian or do they patch their own
[10:28] <entil> but there are some things that puzzle me, like, what does devfs=mount,dall really really mean?
[10:28] <thoreauputic> entil: the device will have a number (/dev/sda1 or something ) not just /dev/sda
[10:28] <carthikSchool> karlheg, it's my one and only laptop :)
[10:28] <magneto> they patch their own masquerde
[10:28] <carthikSchool> masquerade, :)
[10:28] <karlheg> They may be patched for that quiet boot option and perhaps bootsplash.
[10:28] <entil> I'd also like to know why the ubuntu kernel config is not included anywhere, or if it is, why is it so well hidden? :)
[10:28] <karlheg> The Debian one will work fine though.
[10:28] <masquerade> carthikHome__, sometimes the wording makes all the difference :P
[10:28] <Kirsch> hey guys, i'm trying to install Oracle 9i, the installer is GUI based but my server doesn't have XFree on it, so I am trying to launch the gui-based installer from my laptop, i am SSHing into the server via ssh -X 192.168.0.10 and i do "export DISPLAY=192.168.0.101:0.0" and try and run it but the installer exits saying could bring up display, my laptop (192.168.0.101) is Ubuntu 4.1
[10:28] <karlheg> Isn't it in /boot/config-* ?
[10:28] <magneto> entil hidden?
[10:29] <magneto> yes
[10:29] <cameron45> hey, is there any automated way to get apt-get'ed packages to show up in the gnome menu?
[10:29] <magneto> yes kerlheg
[10:29] <masquerade> entil, it might be in .config :P
[10:29] <magneto> add them yourself cameron
[10:29] <cameron45> update-menu does nothing visible
[10:29] <cameron45> magneto, that's the only way?
[10:29] <entil> uhm /boot is probably on the cd image
[10:29] <karlheg> Kirsch, You should not need to 'export DISPLAY=...' since 'ssh -X' should already do that.  'ssh -X root@server' should work.
[10:30] <magneto> cameron45 unless thats openbox update-menu doesnt do that
[10:30] <entil> no it's not
[10:30] <entil> err
[10:30] <entil> and not on the initrd
[10:30] <magneto> cameron45 not just OB but flux  etc
[10:30] <Kirsch> karlheg: ok wel, it doesn't seem to be working either way... does my server need something so that I can bring up the GUI?
[10:30] <karlheg> cameron45, install 'apt-src', fix it by adding a .desktop file, and send a patch to the right place.
[10:30] <karlheg>  apt-src install programpackage
[10:31] <karlheg> ;-)
[10:31] <entil> hmm :P
[10:31] <karlheg> xauth
[10:31] <karlheg> sshd
[10:31] <cameron45> but update-menus generates all these nice .desktop files... gnome just ignores them
[10:31] <karlheg> Whatever libraries the installer program you are running needs to link against.
[10:31] <karlheg> See first if you can launch 'xeyes'.
[10:32] <karlheg> If it's looking at you, your connection is fine.
[10:32] <magneto> cameron45 compare those to what you have in `/.gnome2.
[10:32] <karlheg> ... or some X application to test with.
[10:32] <Kirsch> karlheg: i installed xterm on the server to test it and it says "xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 192.168.0.101:0.0"
[10:32] <cameron45> they showed up in ~/.gnome2/apps/
[10:32] <karlheg> cameron45, Ah.  Hmmm... not sure.  There must be a way.
[10:32] <magneto> cameron45 compare those to what you have in `/.gnome2./vfolders/
[10:33] <karlheg> Wrong display.  It should be looking for one on 127.0.0.1:10 or so.
[10:33] <magneto> cameron45 compare those to what you have in `/.gnome2./vfolders/applications
[10:33] <karlheg> ... with ssh -X.
[10:33] <karlheg> Make sure the sshd has X forwarding enabled.
[10:33] <karlheg> (at the server)
[10:33] <Kirsch> how?
[10:33] <beb0s> Kirsch: look in /etc/ssh/sshd.config
[10:33] <cameron45> find . | grep  vfolder  shows nothing at all
[10:34] <karlheg> emacs /etc/ssh/sshd.config
[10:34] <Kirsch> ForardX11 Yes is there
[10:34] <karlheg> dpkg --purge vi
[10:34] <karlheg> !
[10:34] <cameron45> magneto, i don't have a vfolders anywhere in my home
[10:34] <magneto> cameron45: applications:/// from nautilus unless you are current in hoary-              cameron /home/user/.gnome2/vfolders/applications
[10:34] <thoreauputic> and of course the ssh -X is an upper case X (seems obvious but it's caught me a few times)
[10:34] <karlheg> Ok.
[10:34] <entil> mmyeah
[10:34] <Kirsch> rather "X11Forwarding yes"
[10:34] <karlheg> How about 'xeyes'?
[10:34] <entil> I tried to omit the root= option even, no bonus
[10:35] <entil> VFS: Cannot open root device "<NULL>" or unknown-block(8,3)
[10:35] <cameron45> magneto, ok, i see my gnome menu
[10:35] <entil> does anyone please have the ubuntu kernel config or a pointer to it so I can see if I'm fighting a windmill here :P
[10:35] <oly> hi, any filesystems supported in both windows and linux other than fat32 ?
[10:35] <oly> cuz fat32 partitions have to be small
[10:36] <entil> ohyeah, it gets worse than this
[10:36] <entil> because usb-storage is a module
[10:36] <karlheg> oly: vfat
[10:36] <entil> is there a way to specify modules to be isntalled on the bootparam line?
[10:36] <magneto> entil what are tryin to do
[10:36] <oly> thanks karlheg will check it out
[10:37] <magneto> usb drive?
[10:37] <karlheg> oly: it's the windows 98 file system... basically fat32 with long file names
[10:37] <entil> magneto: I boot the ubuntu installer, it loads linux but dies on the aforementioned VFS panic, when I try to install from a usb drive
[10:37] <karlheg> Kirsch, Any luck?
[10:37] <oly> okay but can partitions be bigger than 30gb ?
[10:37] <magneto> ohhh
[10:37] <oly> i want to format a 60gb hard disk to access with windows and linux
[10:37] <entil> and now I should basically know if I must, if I can, nfsroot the installer OR install the usb-storage module on the bootparam line
[10:37] <karlheg> Kirsch, What OS / Distro is on the server?
[10:37] <Kirsch> karlheg: nope
[10:37] <Kirsch> karlheg: RHFC2
[10:38] <magneto> entil: have you checked in the ubuntuforums?
[10:38] <magneto> im sure there is a work around entil
[10:38] <entil> BUT it would have to do the insmod between mounting the initrd and the vfs death
[10:38] <cameron45> magneto, so how do i get the debian menus into applications://
[10:39] <magneto> so youre installing from a usb cd drive entil - hold on let me check something
[10:39] <karlheg> Kirsch, 'ssh -X server', 'xterm'.
[10:39] <karlheg> Does that do anything?
[10:39] <entil> no bonus on the forums (or I'm blind)
[10:40] <magneto> cameron: ~/.gnome2/vfolders/
[10:40] <beb0s> any of you have upgraded a debian/sid to hoary ?
[10:40] <entil> sure there are some topics like "Installation error" but they could contain anything and I dunno
[10:40] <entil> maybe I should read through every message but that'd take too long :>
[10:40] <karlheg> entil, perhaps you could install 'by hand' using the Live CD?
[10:40] <oly> looks like vfat has same limitations though it just supports long file names
[10:41] <oly> so i can not use that with a 60gb hard disk
[10:41] <entil> karlheg: I wonder if I can even boot the live cd if I can't boot the installation cd any better than this
[10:41] <karlheg> oly, you probably just need an external server directory over SAMBA ?
[10:41] <karlheg> Try.
[10:41] <entil> the funniest point is that I should just get this so far going that my sister can install by herself, it's her laptop and I don't really have time to do the geeky things I'd do if it were my own laptop
[10:42] <oly> i need a file system supported by window and linux that also supports paritions larger than 60gb
[10:42] <karlheg> Kirsch, 'ssh -X root@server', 'echo $DISPLAY' ?
[10:42] <oly> well no, the hard disk is not set up yet :p
[10:42] <entil> oly: there are tools like ext2fsd or somesuch for windows that allow access to ext3 filesystems; I heard one exists for reiserfs too
[10:42] <oly> ah, cool thats what i need
[10:43] <oly> i can not use ntfs cuz then i can not write to the partition
[10:43] <oly> resierfs would be ideal
[10:43] <karlheg> Anyone get 'network-manager-gnome' to work?
[10:43] <oly> if i can use it in windows
[10:43] <oly> will see if i can find an app that allows this then
[10:43] <entil> oly: I'm afraid I don't know any more than this, my gut says reiserfs is very beta, and either way, I don't think it's native access, only a browser tool, so be warned
[10:43] <karlheg> oly, I think you're just stuck with small partition size.  Do you need files that big, or just that much space?  Why not split it into multiple partitions?
[10:44] <entil> Yet another Duel Boot/Grub problem <- Duel Boot almost describes my situation ;)
[10:44] <oly> i could split it just seems silly when its used for media files :p
[10:44] <karlheg> Can't XP combine drive letters on one mount tree now?
[10:44] <karlheg> How big are they?  9.4 Gib, right?
[10:44] <oly> anyway thanks for help
[10:45] <oly> do not think reiser fs is beta
[10:45] <karlheg> Don't tell us.
[10:45] <entil> usb-storage-device-bootable installer
[10:45] <entil> oh bugger
[10:45] <oly> its part of ubuntu cuz i am using that now :p
[10:45] <entil> that's MarksHoaryGoals
[10:45] <entil> +from
[10:45] <entil> so I guess that's that with that?
[10:45] <entil> but that's also last edited a month ago
[10:47] <magneto> entil try usb-uhci
[10:48] <entil> magneto: how can I insmod on the kernel commandline?
[10:49] <entil> hmm
[10:49] <entil> can someone please point me to the direction of the ubuntu kernel config?
[10:50] <entil> if I can make a new 2.6.8.1 based on that one, I can email the list on how I got this to work
[10:50] <entil> or hmm
[10:50] <entil> MAYBE it's included in the actual .deb
[10:50] <entil> I'm also a bit tired, it's almost midnight here in finland, please forgive my rambling :)
[10:50] <ilmari> entil: /boot/config-`uname -r`
[10:50] <magneto> entil: open another terminal ctrl-alt f3
[10:51] <beb0s> entil: same time here in italy :-)
[10:51] <entil> ilmari: ok, I must then download the deb
[10:51] <magneto> entil: insmod usb-uhci
[10:51] <entil> beb0s: I thought you were in +1 of us
[10:51] <entil> note that the server from which I boot is my desktop debian sid
[10:51] <magneto> entil: at what point does the install crash
[10:51] <entil> magneto: that is not good, sorry :P I can not insmod here
[10:52] <beb0s> entil: aren't you on CET ?
[10:52] <entil> it mounts the initrd (or something ext2 as root) and then panics with VFS: cannot find root device
[10:52] <entil> beb: gmt+2
[10:52] <entil> if that's cet :)
[10:52] <entil> I can't remember anything but gmt/utc+-something :)
[10:52] <magneto> entil: so you get no prompts it just dies right away?
[10:52] <entil> magneto: exactly
[10:53] <entil> a run-of-the-mill kernel panic
[10:53] <magneto> entil: no boot or press enter option
[10:53] <entil> I bypassed isolinux with the pxe setup
[10:53] <entil> append DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical vga=normal initrd=/ubuntu_initrd.gz ramdisk_size=10240 root=/dev/scd init=/linuxrc devfs=mount,dall rw --
[10:53] <entil> that's what I boot with
[10:54] <entil> ubuntu_initrd.gz is the same as the standard initrd.gz of ubuntu but iwth /etc/modules added with usb-storage
[10:54] <entil> but that's no bonus either because this crashes before it has the chance for fs access
[10:54] <beb0s> entil: it's 11pm here ... (but I'm also tired :-)
[10:55] <entil> but really, I thank you now and try to do some studies for school.. I will download the ubuntu kernel deb tomorrow and see what I can make of it
[10:55] <magneto> why dont u try appending usb-uhci which is what the usb-storage uses to connect to any usb device or ohci or ehci
[10:55] <entil> magneto: where on the bootparam can I do this?
[10:55] <magneto> "usb-uhci" inline with your other params
[10:56] <magneto> then try the other usb modules if that doesnt help
[10:56] <magneto> usdb-ohci
[10:56] <magneto> usb-ohci rather
[10:56] <magneto> and usb-ehci
[10:56] <imka> i wonder when the ubuntu cd's will arrive. they'd make great xmas presents
[10:56] <magneto> different hardware use different usb drivers
[10:56] <entil> just perfect, the battery died
[10:56] <magneto> lol
[10:56] <entil> brb gotta get the recharger
[10:56] <imka> is there any1 who ordered some and still didnt get them
[10:56] <imka> ?
[10:57] <entil> magneto: usb-storage should depmod all of them I think
[10:57] <RuffianSoldier> how do I change the GDM theme?
[10:57] <magneto> entil: ubuntu's install cd has an issue with usb devices for some people
[10:58] <entil> append DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical vga=normal initrd=/ubuntu_initrd.gz ramdisk_size=10240 usb-storage root=/dev/scd init=/linuxrc devfs=mount,dall rw --
[10:58] <entil> that's what you're suggesting?
[10:58] <magneto> Ruffian- login manager
[10:59] <magneto> no entil
[10:59] <entil> usb-uhci yes
[10:59] <entil> but it is not enough without usb-storage, I'm pretty sure
[11:00] <magneto> how come you cant boot normally
[11:00] <magneto> no bios options?
[11:00] <entil> the laptop bios supports only floppy, hd and pxe
[11:00] <entil> and pxe booting per se is a trivial task to set up
[11:00] <magneto> yeah youre right on the storage part
[11:01] <entil> but I thank you, I will try to do my version of the ubuntu kernel for this pxe install tomorrow or during the weekend, subscribe to the list and speak there
[11:01] <magneto> try that- yeah  i dont like debian kernels or ubuntus myself
[11:01] <entil> (there's very little chance that I will ever use web forums that don't use mail lists as a backend)
[11:02] <entil> I use -cko of kem.p.lodz.pl/~peter/cko myself, based on dr. kolivas' -ck of kernel.kolivas.org :)
[11:02] <magneto> entil: ubuntuforums has some forums which are precisely that
[11:02] <entil> magneto: mirrored off the lists?
[11:02] <entil> EXCELLENT
[11:02] <entil> I'm writing a program to do this, but it has been idle for many months
[11:02] <magneto> same here ckoverloaded3 2.6.9
[11:02] <entil> my approach is a pluggable extension of the enemies-of-carlotta mail list manager
[11:03] <entil> but now eoc is pluggable too, I should take some time to do some rewriting and new code
[11:03] <entil> and now I'm digressing and rambling when I should study, shower and sleep at the same time, not do irc or ubuntu :D
[11:03] <magneto> lol
[11:03] <entil> thanks again and good night, cya on the list or here on irc later!
[11:03] <magneto> same here
[11:08] <pepsi_> okay, so to upgrade to hoary, i update my sources.list, upgrade, and THEN fix my locale?
[11:08] <pepsi_> on my laptop i changed my locale before upgrading
[11:08] <pepsi_> and it didnt look like i was sposed to do that
[11:09] <Kamion> pepsi_: right
[11:09] <craig> hello people.. Could I ask a question that isn't exactly ubuntu related..?
[11:11] <craig> anybody?
[11:11] <thoreauputic> craig: don't ask to ask - go ahead - if we think it's off topic we'll just flame you unmercifully (joke) :)
[11:12] <craig> ok.. I'm trying to convice GStreamer to output files of decompressed music.. This is what I got so far gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location=/music/palookaville/wonderful_night.mp3 ! mad ! filesink location=wonderfulnight.wav
[11:12] <[nir] > ???
[11:12] <craig> the problem is.. the file is unreadable..
[11:13] <[nir] > hello
[11:13] <craig> I've no idea of what to do next .. heck, I even tried just changing the file extension in hope that it might work
[11:14] <farruinn> [nir]  what's up?
[11:14] <[nir] > can i use debian packages ?
[11:15] <[nir] > all fine .. started to use suse today .. and its really suks .. hard to set language and to get gnome .. i think that distro will be fine for me
[11:15] <farruinn> [nir] , yes
[11:15] <thoreauputic> craig: have you looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats as in the /topic? I don't know if it might help, but might be worth reading
[11:15] <craig> O... I have the right plugins installed
[11:16] <thoreauputic> OK - just a suggestion
[11:17] <[nir] > ubuntu got a good hardware support. like its auto install 3button mouse,sound card and stuff ?
[11:19] <[nir] > ?
[11:20] <the_gummibear> is there a way to see what files a user accessed on the samba server?
[11:20] <the_gummibear> cause the logs are only showing when somebody joined
[11:21] <shmoolik> hello
[11:21] <craig> Hey again, just got the solution.. craig: you're outputting raw data, not a wav file
 ahh.. ok, so if it was .raw
 craig: if you nwant to have a wav file, you need to add a wavenc element, like ... ! mad ! wavenc ! filesink
[11:22] <craig> yay! one step closer to a G3b of sorts
[11:22] <jcole> what env variable do i set to '/usr/bin/gcc-3.2' so make-kpkg uses gcc 3.2 ?
[11:22] <[nir] > is there any cdrw program on gnome that compares to k3b ?
[11:23] <craig> no I don't think so
[11:23] <craig> well, not in usability..thats why I'm trying..
[11:23] <Quest-Master> How can I make a symbolic link in Nautilus?
[11:24] <Mabus> Is there anything wrong with mono* in hoary ?
[11:24] <jcole> Quest-Master: right click a file and select "Make Link"
[11:24] <Quest-Master> XD that was way too obvious.
[11:24] <Quest-Master> Thanks.
[11:25] <pepsi_> Quest-Master: or control-shift drag
[11:29] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:29] <ficusplanet> I'm playing around with the indubstrial theme to try and make tab-close buttons look better with other icon themes.  Is there anyway that I can chnage the style for buttons on tabs but leave normal buttons intact?
[11:30] <confrey> why can't I see correctly bold characters in OpenOffce?
[11:30] <GotD0t> confrey: i noticed that, it prints fine but it doesn't display them... im assuming you're using warty
[11:30] <Mabus> ficusplanet: just use > to select it more specificaly.
[11:30] <ficusplanet> Mabus, Thanks.
[11:30] <Mabus> ficusplanet: read the CSS spec on Selectors (section 2 or something)
[11:31] <ficusplanet> Mabus, Oh, CSS is used in the gtkrc files?
[11:31] <Mabus> ficusplanet: err.. 5 :)
[11:31] <Mabus> oh
[11:31] <Mabus> ficusplanet: I thought it was CSS.
[11:31] <ficusplanet> Mabus, No, sorry, the config file for a theme, actually.
[11:31] <Mabus> I don't think you can use CSS in gtkrc, no.
[11:31] <Mabus> ah, right.
[11:31] <Mabus> aaah - I thought you was talking about the industrial theme for Firefox.
[11:31] <Mabus> for some weird reason.
[11:33] <zerokarmaleft> Mabus, afaik all the dependencies for mono in hoary haven't been updated to 1.04
[11:33] <Amaranth> zerokarmaleft: Most of them haven't.
[11:34] <zerokarmaleft> Mabus, and 1.05 just came out today but the differences are fairly insignificant
[11:34] <Amaranth> err, isn't hoary using 1.1.x though?
[11:34] <Amaranth> or will that not be out before hoary is stable?
[11:34] <zerokarmaleft> Amaranth, i should hope not
[11:35] <confrey> GotD0t, yes, I'm using Warty; I noticed that's happening while using Nimbus Roman, while using some other fonts the bold chars are readble right
[11:35] <zerokarmaleft> 1.1.x is the dev branch
[11:35] <Amaranth> libgconf-cil libgecko-cil libglade-cil libglib-cil libgnome-cil libgtk-cil libgtksourceview-cil mono-assemblies-base mono-jit mono-mcs monodoc-base monodoc-manual
[11:35] <Amaranth> thats all the stuff that will get removed from my system is i upgrade mono :p
[11:35] <Amaranth> zerokarmaleft: What do you think GNOME 2.9.x is?
[11:36] <GotD0t> confrey: you might want to try pulling the MS fonts off the repos so it will default to times new roman
[11:36] <zerokarmaleft> something i don't want to install again until it becomes 2.10 :p
[11:36] <Mabus> zerokarmaleft: yes, mono-assemblies-base is the problem now; it's still 1.0.2.
[11:37] <Mabus> alright, I'll just wait a couple of days and see :)
[11:37] <Mabus> thanks
[11:37] <DagaZ> what version of kde is there for ubuntu? and is it possible to use kiosktool with that version?
[11:37] <def|nap> kde :X
[11:38] <Amaranth> DagaZ: I believe it's 3.3.1
[11:38] <Riddell> DagaZ: warty has KDE 3.2, hoary has some but not all KDE 3.3
[11:38] <confrey> GotD0t, I'm not using MS fonts, not yet
[11:38] <Amaranth> holy crap, warty has KDE 3.2?
[11:38] <Amaranth> isn't that over a year old?
[11:39] <DagaZ> ok.. then the kiosktool should work just fine.. thx Amaranth and Riddell
[11:39] <Riddell> DagaZ: there are no packages for kiosktool but you're best to use the most recent kiosktool sources anyway
[11:39] <Bols> hi!
[11:39] <GotD0t> confrey: theres nothing wrong with them ;-) personally i think they look cleaner... as well as the fact that i LOVE courier new and you can't get it outside of the msfonts package
[11:39] <PotajiTo> i isntall kde 3.3.1 with debain unstable repos, it works perfect
[11:39] <Riddell> Amaranth: 3.3 was released in August which is about when warty packages were chosen
[11:39] <Bols> Does someone know where I can find the packages list included in the ubuntu livecd, plz?
[11:39] <Riddell> I have KDE 3.3 packages to fill in the missing ones from hoary
[11:39] <jcole> Amaranth: ya, lol, wasn't gnome 2.8 was over 1 week old when ubuntu released? ...
[11:40] <Amaranth> ;)
[11:40] <confrey> DagaZ, what's kiosktool?
[11:40] <Riddell> jcole: that's different since Canonical emply the gnome release manager it gets special treatment
[11:41] <Riddell> confrey: nice GUI for locking down the desktop so users can't mess things up
[11:41] <DagaZ> confrey: a tool to lockdown features in kde.. mostly for cruel admins like me.. or parents
[11:41] <jcole> the only thing i like about kde is k3b
[11:41] <Riddell> DagaZ: for admins mostly, stops users doing things like moving toolbars about, moving desktop icons, browsing outside their home directory, running programmes they shouldn't, saves a lot of admin time for small fixes
[11:42] <[BTM] gee> someone that plays quake3 ? got some problems with Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[11:42] <Quest-Master> Does anyone here use Codeweavers' CrossOver Office?
[11:42] <defunkt> yeah i do
[11:42] <jcole> [BTM] gee: ln -s your open gl libs into quake 3
[11:42] <DagaZ> Riddell: sure does.. uses it on the internet-caf I am running.. works like a charm
[11:42] <Quest-Master> It lets you use Adobe and Macromedia's products in Linux
[11:42] <Bols> ok, I found it : http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.list
[11:42] <Quest-Master> defunkt: Have you gotten Photoshop 7 to work?
[11:42] <ficusplanet> Quest-Master, I use it.
[11:42] <defunkt> yep
[11:42] <confrey> what the correct --device to pass to cdrdao to run it from shell? --device 0,0,0 is not working, neither ATA:0,0,0 neither ATAPI:0,0,0
[11:42] <Riddell> DagaZ: ah, you were saying not asking :)
[11:43] <defunkt> pm me quest
[11:43] <[BTM] gee> jcole that should do it?:)
[11:43] <jcole> Quest-Master: i've been using adobe 7 for almost a year on cxoffice
[11:43] <Quest-Master> I'll PM you too ficusplanet
[11:43] <DagaZ> Riddell: confrey was the one asking ;)
[11:43] <jcole> [BTM] gee: ya, it's a known issue
[11:44] <|trey|> confrey, /dev/hdX (depending on physical location of cdrom)...
[11:44] <|trey|> confrey, probably hdc...
[11:44] <[BTM] gee> oh k jcole tnx man
[11:46] <confrey> DagaZ, |trey|, wow, I didn't think it was so simple...
[11:46] <goonie> can anyone help me with errors I get on boot? hw_random and something to do with failing to load floppy drive module
[11:46] <|trey|> confrey, :)  thank 'ide-cd'  :)
[11:48] <|trey|> goonie, what do the errors say? do you know the module for your floppy drive?
[11:49] <goonie> I do not have a floppy drive.. how to I remove this module from boot?
[11:49] <jcole> [BTM] gee: 'glxinfo' reports direct rendering right?
[11:49] <|trey|> goonie, add the module to /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist
[11:50] <|trey|> goonie, ahh... /etc/hotplug/blacklist ... sorry
[11:50] <[BTM] gee> jcole of course
[11:50] <[BTM] gee> think its what you said before
[11:50] <[BTM] gee> with the link to the quake3
[11:50] <cbkm> Hi, don't suppose someone can answer a quick question for me... What apt source do I need to get teh libasound2-dev package?
[11:51] <confrey> help! I dont' know what's happened, but xmms is not working; it was working yesterday, now, running it form shell, I have this msg : cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:51] <confrey> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[11:52] <catdog> cbkm: an apt-cache policy tells me it's in main
[11:52] <|trey|> cbkm, doesn't say... I see the package though... wouldn't make sense for it to not be in main  :/
[11:52] <|trey|> confrey, why do you use XMMS?
[11:53] <|trey|> confrey, *shudder* @ gtk1.2  :(
[11:53] <confrey> I like it, it's all
[11:53] <goonie> trey: I added floppy to my blacklist.. now the other error seems to have something to do with the keyboard since the icelandic layout is not working
[11:53] <|trey|> confrey, beep-media-player or zinf
[11:54] <confrey> |trey|, ok I'll try them, but why my xmms is not working now!
[11:54] <cbkm> catdog/|trey|: oh, whoops, my mistake... :(  - I only uncommented the warty-security lines O:)
[11:54] <cbkm> ...thanks ;)
[11:54] <|trey|> goonie, ahh... 'dpkg-reconfigure base-config', should give you the same question as during install related to that...
[11:54] <catdog> nw :)
[11:54] <|trey|> confrey, who knows.. I don't like that app  :/
[11:55] <|trey|> confrey, I avoid gtk1.2 like the plague...
[11:55] <|trey|> Ugliest toolkit after Motif ever...
[11:55] <goonie> i installed warty on 2 acer laptops and only one of them failed on the icelandic layout.. the other one works fine
[11:56] <|trey|> goonie, why are you saying this? just go reconfigure it...
[11:57] <|trey|> goonie, dpkg-reconfigure debconf first and make it ask "low" priority questions...
[11:57] <olorin>           http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ | Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Bugs:
[11:57] <olorin>           http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | CDs order before 12th Nov have been shipped, you can still
[11:57] <olorin>           order CDs |  For MP3 etc info: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats |
[11:57] <olorin>           Please use http://paste.plone.org | Yes the actions menu is getting fixed
[11:58] <Quest-Master> jcole and ficusplanet: My serial number won't work when I am trying to set it up, no matter what.
[11:58] <goonie> thx trey, i'll figure this out :)
[11:58] <|trey|> Thing is, I just told him how to fix it  :/