[05:10] <moquist> hi ironwolf 
[05:47] <calc> so how is the speed up going?
[05:47] <calc> would be nice if ubuntu could boot as fast as xp
[05:49] <GotD0t> but calc remember, you need to boot xp every 30 minutes from crashes, while in ubuntu you need to boot once a month if you're unlucky
[06:53] <whiprush> jdub: how's the conference going?
[06:54] <whiprush> you guys definately need to do that imendio ogg streaming thing for the next one.
[06:55] <whiprush> for the sake of us stuck in the states. :D
[06:57] <jdub> we'll probably have streaming stuff today
[06:57] <jdub> it was never an official thing, we're just hacking on it
[06:57] <jdub> it's more of a boffy conference than a presentations conference - perhaps having a radio-style stream of each room would be good
[06:58] <jdub> format makes things a bit harder
[06:59] <whiprush> that would rule.
[06:59] <whiprush> even raw feeds would rule. Let us figure it out, heh.
[07:00] <jdub> yeah, i just mean putting a high sensitivity microphone in the middle of the room and letting it run
[07:01] <whiprush> indeed
[07:02] <whiprush> man dude, that startup stuff is exciting. 
[07:02] <jdub> heh
[07:02] <jdub> it's insane
[07:02] <jdub> so i was upstairs in the bof room for most of the afternoon
[07:02] <whiprush> perhaps we should be locking you guys up in rooms more often
[07:02] <jdub> while thom, scott and daniels were hacking on startup stuff
[07:03] <jdub> downstairs in the ballroom - they'd keep taunting us with the news
[07:03] <whiprush> is someone going to be doing a summary thinger on the conference? It'd be good to get an overall view on the stuff you guys hacked on.
[07:04] <jdub> there are a bunch of summaries of the bof sessions
[07:04] <whiprush> good good
[07:04] <jdub> but a general summary of what everyone hacked on would be... challenging ;)
[07:05] <whiprush> the list I saw had lots of DDs on it. Sounds like some good overall stuff.
[07:06] <whiprush> yeah you should. :P daniels blog had lots of pants happy today. 
[07:09] <whiprush> ugh, I'm so behind now, should I just wait for hoary for an ubuntu review? Seems kind of overdone lately.
[07:10] <jdub> heh
[07:10] <jdub> there was even an osnews 'warty to hoary' article, man
[07:12] <whiprush> tell me about it. I've fixed like 5 people tonite that don't know dpkg. Tough to advocate when you have people brand new to linux trying to use hoary.
[07:13] <jdub> yeah
[08:39] <Treenaks> http://foodfight.org/fotos/2004/12-09%20Ubuntu%20Conference/
[08:57] <jdub> Simira: ping
[08:57] <fabbione> morning guys
[08:58] <pasc> what timezone are you guys in?
[08:58] <Treenaks> pasc: CET, GMT+1
[08:59] <pasc> ok
[08:59] <pasc> so 10 hours difference
[09:00] <Simira> jdub: pong
[09:02] <lamont_r> pasc: you left coast?
[09:04] <pitti> Hi carlos
[09:04] <carlos> pitti: hi!
[09:04] <seb128> morning
[09:07] <jdub> Simira: what's your key id?
[09:08] <jdub> ogg/theora stream -> http://192.168.0.52:8800/
[09:08] <jdub> use totem or mplayer
[09:08] <Simira> jdub: tha last octet :p eedb201e
[09:08] <Treenaks> jdub: video only?
[09:08] <jdub> yeah
[09:08] <jdub> Simira: ahr
[09:10] <Treenaks> jdub: "no subtitles available"? what kind of stream is that 8)
[09:10] <jdub> everyone connect :)
[09:10] <jdub> there's only me and treenaks atm
[09:10] <Treenaks> jdub: what kind of cam is this btw?
[09:11] <jdub> logitech quickcam thingy
[09:11] <jdub> pwc driver
[09:11] <Treenaks> ah
[09:14] <Mithrandir> jdub: theora?
[09:15] <Mithrandir> oh, yeah, you said
[09:15] <sjoerd> jdub: that's with the flumotion streaming thingie ?
[09:16] <Mithrandir> jdub: is it shit because of the came or because of theora?
[09:16] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: the colors, you mean?
[09:17] <jdub> sjoerd: yeah
[09:17] <thom> jdub: connection refused :P
[09:17] <Treenaks> also, wouldn't multicast be more efficient? :)
[09:17] <jdub> Mithrandir: what kind of shit?
[09:17] <sjoerd> nice
[09:17] <Mithrandir> colors all washed out
[09:17] <Mithrandir> the white balance is probably on crack
[09:17] <jdub> yeah
[09:18] <jdub> shitty camera and software controls for it
[09:18] <Mithrandir> add a gstreamer-whitebalance-filter?
[09:18] <jdub> it's already pushed > 100MB :)
[09:18] <jdub> Mithrandir: heh, camera needs to be configured too
[09:18] <jdub> taking stream down for a moment
[09:20] <jdub> http://192.168.0.52:8802/
[09:20] <jdub> back again
[09:21] <sjoerd> all pwc cams i've seen untill now can be set on automatic mode..
[09:22] <jdub> mmm, have to check the kernel options
[09:22] <sjoerd> you ned to do a pwc specific ioctl to change the mode
[09:23] <thom> heh, watch mdz's disembodied hands handwave
[09:25] <Kamion> daniels: l-r-m? I can't do a test install to check out a second-stage bug that I'm being hassled about at the moment, 'cos linux-386 is uninstallable :(
[09:31] <Mithrandir> haggai: *prod*
[09:35] <jdub> back again
[09:46] <Keybuk> /etc/init.d/hotplug start  0.41s user 0.26s system 38% cpu 1.744 total
[09:48] <mojo> ahhemm, I don't want to disturb all developers here, but I just 1 question: When the new gnome-panel be uploaded? Without gnome-panel, my GNOME is rendered 'dead'
[09:49] <seb128> when it'll be ready ? :)
[09:49] <seb128> probably the first changes in a couple of days
[09:50] <mojo> thx
[09:51] <jdub> dead?
[09:51] <jdub> there's nothing broken about the panel atm
[09:54] <fabbione> who wants to fix control-center build-dep?
[09:54] <fabbione> it's missing libxinerama-dev
[09:54] <seb128> _o/
[09:55] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/c/control-center/1:2.8.1-3ubuntu5/
[09:55] <seb128> thanks for pointing that fabbione 
[09:55] <fabbione> seb128: no problem mate ;)
[10:03] <Simira> Mako looks kinda tired today...
[10:03] <Simira> I mean, more than usual
[10:03] <Mithrandir> heh
[10:03] <Mithrandir> he's not a morning person
[10:03] <Simira> definitely
[10:07] <Simira> buy guys
[10:07] <Simira> bye*
[10:07] <Simira> :p
[10:08] <Treenaks> Simira: bye
[10:08] <Simira> bye all. It's been really really great. See you online.
[10:09] <mojo> Are there anyway to remove mime-type default open program entries that are set 'unremovabled' via Properties?
[10:17] <Mithrandir> jdub: running with a sepia filter now?
[10:18] <jdub> heh
[10:18] <jdub> no
[10:20] <haggai> Mithrandir: morning
[10:20] <Mithrandir> haggai: install failed
[10:22] <haggai> Mithrandir: aw :(
[10:23] <Mithrandir> tools/unxlngi4.gnomevfs.pro/lib/libtl645li.so ; no such file or directory.
[10:25] <mojo> arasearath0n
[10:26] <mojo> fix the swfrender.so in RealPlayer
[10:29] <pitti> doko: I updated the langpack wiki
[10:32] <pitti> elmo: do we have a powerpc hoary chroot with glibc build-deps?
[10:33] <pitti> ogra_: ping
[10:34] <jdub> lifeless: ping
[10:35] <Treenaks> why not just a big broadcast ping?
[10:37] <Mithrandir> haggai: you're not on jabber. :P ; what does the build time look like, with ccache?
[10:42] <pitti> ogra_: ping
[10:42] <ogra_> pitti: pong
[10:42] <thom> sjoerd: can you poke seb to turn jabber on?
[10:44] <Mithrandir> what's the tool which, given a keysigning sheet and your keyring outputs who you haven't signed?
[10:45] <azeem> awk
[10:45] <Mithrandir> there's a script which probably uses awk or perl or something, yes.
[10:45] <azeem> yeah :) I'd be interested in that as well
[10:46] <azeem> not that I get around to sign keys anyway, but it's nice to see who you could potentially sign...
[11:04] <pitti> elmo:  do we have a powerpc hoary chroot with glibc build-deps?
[11:06] <elmo> err, davis?
[11:08] <pitti> elmo: "Unknown id: pitti"
[11:08] <pitti> elmo: can you please allow me?
[11:08] <Keybuk> ah, a daniels
[11:10] <Keybuk> he looks rested ;)
[11:11] <lamont_r> Err http://people.ubuntulinux.org  Packages                                 
[11:11] <lamont_r> 
[11:11] <lamont_r> Hit http://people.ubuntulinux.org  Packages                                    
[11:12] <elmo> pitti: meh, fixed
[11:12] <pitti> elmo: thanks a lot
[11:12] <lamont_r> mvo: that's because you have no Packages.bz2 on your apt repository
[11:12] <mvo> correct :)
[11:13] <lamont_r> bad error message
[11:13] <mvo> I really need to teach it to not report it as an error
[11:13] <fabbione> Keybuk: ehehhe
[11:14] <lamont_r> or at least a more-clear error.
[11:14] <pasc> 20 hours until I leave
[11:14] <lamont_r> pasc: to where?
[11:15] <pasc> mataro
[11:16] <seb128> hey pasc 
[11:16] <lamont_r> pasc: cool
[11:16] <pasc> then 28 hours in transit until I hit barcelona
[11:17] <pasc> then however long it takes to get to mataro
[11:17] <thom> ~40 minutes
[11:17] <lamont_r> about an hour on the train
[11:17] <pasc> right... so a round 30 hours of transit
[11:17] <thom> assuming you don't hit barcelona so hard you splash... ;-)
[11:17] <lamont_r> 50 min +/- :-)
[11:17] <fabbione> amu, mdz: the cloop module is part of the kernel now. it will be up in -5. I only need to finish a -D__SMP__ compilation test
[11:17] <daniels> Kamion: i dput'ed it last night
[11:18] <daniels> mjg59: pong
[11:19] <fabbione> daniels: g1bb0r m3 m0r3 cr4ck
[11:19] <fabbione> daniels: l-r-m?
[11:19] <daniels> fabbione: it's been in NEW since yesterday
[11:20] <fabbione> daniels: you suck :P
[11:24] <fabbione> seb128: you rock!
[11:24] <fabbione> thanks for CC
[11:25] <seb128> fabbione, np :)
[11:25] <seb128> daniels, I've got a decent resolution on my laptop :)
[11:25] <Kamion> daniels: aha
[11:25] <seb128> daniels, I had to add a Modeline for 1280x800
[11:29] <daniels> seb128: heh, cool
[11:30] <daniels> seb128: if you file a bug with the modeline, I'll add it for the next revision
[11:30] <seb128> ok, thanks
[11:34] <Treenaks> ok, so my power-on-on-shutdown+lidclose bug is gone
[11:34] <Treenaks> how about the suspend-to-ram-on-wakeup-from-suspend-to-ram one? :)
[11:37] <lamont_r> Treenaks: heh
[11:48] <daniels> god, I may have made X fast enough that I'm exposing races that weren't previously there
[11:49] <pitti> name = jdub.create_better_name_for("hhdt")
[11:49] <pitti> jdub: :-)
[11:49] <pitti> jdub: otherwise I use hwfu
[11:50] <jdub> :-)
[11:50] <jdub> hwfu is pretty cool
[11:58] <ogra_> pitti: so lets keep hwfu
[11:59] <pitti> ogra_: I'll check it into arch then
[11:59] <ogra_> k
[11:59] <Kamion> my GOD this BOF is crashing my brain
[11:59] <pitti> ogra_: can you maintain your own branch on a public mirror?
[12:00] <thom> Kamion: it's currently so far over my head i'm shocked that you guys don't have anoxoia
[12:00] <ogra_> pitti: i'll try...
[12:00] <Mithrandir> thom: d-i or the BOF?
[12:01] <thom> bof. i may be exagerating a touch for effect
[12:01] <elmo> this dropping of NEW connections is getting old
[12:01] <pitti> ogra_: if you make-archive to a http-accessible spot, please don't forget -l :-)
[12:01] <thom> elmo: nod
[12:02] <ogra_> pitti: i'll read the docs :)
[12:02] <ogra_> pitti: have to do that anyway
[12:03] <seb128> elmo, sync for libgnomeui and libgnomecanvas please
[12:03] <elmo> seb128: done
[12:03] <seb128> thanks
[12:05] <fabbione> Kamion: E: Package archdetect has no installation candidate
[12:05] <fabbione> ?
[12:06] <bob2> which bof is it?
[12:07] <fabbione> kubuntu?
[12:09] <lamont_r> kubuntu.
[12:09] <mjg59> daniels: Is there any vaguely standard way of getting nvidia stuff using the nv driver to switch between LCD and CRT?
[12:09] <sivang> kubuntu?
[12:09] <pitti> indeed, kubuntu. :-)
[12:09] <mjg59> daniels: (Also: successful StR with nvidia chipset Toshiba)
[12:11] <daniels> mjg59: nice!
[12:11] <daniels> mjg59: using nv driver?  not really
[12:12] <mjg59> Bah
[12:13] <lamont_r> sivang: think ubuntu with gnome ripped out and kde added
[12:13] <sivang> lamont_r : yeah but why in the world would you like to do that?
[12:13] <sivang> :)
[12:13] <sivang> lamont_r : btw, what's the _r stands for?
[12:14] <lamont_r> roving
[12:14] <Mithrandir> reentrant
[12:14] <bob2> sivang: he's coming to you LIVE via satellite
[12:14] <Treenaks> retard?
[12:15] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: !
[12:15] <sivang> bob2 : huh?
[12:18] <pitti> Treenaks: I hate your T-Shirt
[12:18] <Kamion> fabbione: archdetect> context?
[12:18] <Riddell> anyone taking notes from the BoF?
[12:18] <Mithrandir> why was the Live CD BOF moved?
[12:18] <Treenaks> pitti: I hate yours too
[12:19] <pitti> Treenaks: guess which T-Shirt fabbione wears under his pullover...
[12:19] <Treenaks> omfg?
[12:19] <pitti> Treenaks: yes, it's what you suspect
[12:19] <Treenaks> pitti: I'm lucky daniels and I didn't wear the "pixelated communism" one on the same day :)
[12:22] <thom> i really dig that tshirt
[12:22] <Treenaks> thom: you're wearing it too?
[12:22] <thom> no, i want one of the pixelated communism ones
[12:22] <azeem> Treenaks: I think he implies you should give it to him
[12:22] <thom> i have a transformers t-shirt
[12:23] <azeem> thom: I dig that one
[12:23] <Treenaks> thom: those were limited edition
[12:23] <thom> Treenaks: dang
[12:23] <Treenaks> thom: you might beg the guy from dieselsweeties.com for more...
[12:23] <Treenaks> or "pressure" him into it
[12:25] <elmo> ROBOTS IN DISGUISE
[12:25] <thom> BREAKDANCING
[12:26] <Treenaks> jordi/mako might like http://www.dieselsweeties.com/shirts/index2.shtml#recycle
[12:27] <Treenaks> sivang: ask again :)
[12:27] <sivang> I thought I might get me self a nice ubuntu T-Shirt, or baseball cap
[12:28] <sivang> Treenaks : ask again? 
[12:28] <Treenaks> sivang: yeah, lulu might know
[12:28] <sivang> k, I'll ask her!
[12:29] <lulu> sivang:?
[12:29] <sivang> lulu : Would you happen to have had brought some of the _wonderful_ ubuntu merchendize so ubuntu fans could purchase some? :)
[12:33] <lulu> nope - we couldn't get a bulk delivery in time. But, cafepress is up and running - see the link in Quick links for the Ubuntu shop.
[12:33] <Kamion> I now have a Transformers theme tune earworm. YOU BASTARDS
[12:39] <bob2> TRANSFORMERS, more than meets the eye!
[12:41] <Kamion> mdz: is anyone already working on adding l-r-m for powerpc/amd64 to linux-meta?
[12:41] <Kamion> if not, I can
[12:48] <Kamion> Riddell: not sure who's taking notes, but we have a rule that all BoFs have to have notes taken from them, so I'm sure they'll appear
[12:51] <mdz> Kamion: not to my knowledge; check with fabbione
[12:53] <fabbione> mdz: no i am not. i am working only on linux-source atm
[12:54] <Kamion> daniels: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9/2.6.9-1/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9_2.6.9-1_20041210-1037-i386-failed
[12:55] <daniels> Kamion: sigh
[12:55] <Kamion> ia64 too, for that matter
[12:55] <Kamion> although its failure is much scarier; i386 looks mostly like x.org build-deps
[12:55] <daniels> i have to say that I find the build-dep failure deeply, deeply ironic
[12:56] <Kamion> mdz: ok, I'll poke it then
[12:56] <daniels> Kamion: hmm, ia64 is very 'special' in this regard
[12:58] <daniels> Kamion: would it be a problem for you if I temporarily took ia64 out of the Architecture list?
[01:00] <Kamion> daniels: not in the least
[01:02] <daniels> phat
[01:03] <daniels> should be uploaded in 10min or so
[01:46] <lupus_> From: 	hostmaster@gs1.ubuntuforums.org
[01:46] <lupus_> To: 	de_lupus@pandora.be
[01:46] <lupus_> Subject: 	Your mail password <KEY:2884>
[01:46] <lupus_> Date: 	Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:57:43 GMT  (05:57 CET)
[01:46] <lupus_> Your password was changed successfully!
[01:46] <lupus_> ++++++ User-Service: http://www.gs1.ubuntuforums.org
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[01:46] <lupus_> *-*-* Mail_Scanner: No Virus
[01:46] <lupus_> *-*-* PANDORA- Anti_Virus Service
[01:46] <lupus_> *-*-* http://www.pandora.be
[01:46] <lupus_> it has an attachment with a virus
[01:46] <mojo> wt...???
[01:46] <lupus_> got already 8 mails like this
[01:46] <mojo> hehe
[01:46] <mojo> seems to me
[01:46] <mojo> some developers want to blackmail u
[01:46] <lupus_> lol :)
[01:47] <mojo> did u do something guilty?
[01:47] <mojo> lol
[01:47] <mojo> spamassasin is ur sidekick this time
[01:47] <lupus_> is  the site hacked?
[01:47] <lupus_> I had once
[01:47] <Kamion> please don't dump this sort of thing into IRC; mail is trivially forgeable and most of us get an awful lot of forged mail already
[01:48] <lupus_> hmm k
[01:48] <Mithrandir> amazing! I got a picture of jdub without him making funny faces.
[01:48] <Kamion> it's unlikely that the mail actually came from ubuntuforums.org at all, and for further information about e-mail security there are better sources of information than #ubuntu-devel. :)
[01:49] <jdub_> 13:47 < jdub> thom, Keybuk: we have a culprit /etc/dev.d/default/unmount.dev
[01:49] <jdub_> 13:47 < jdub> it shouldn't be there
[01:49] <jdub_> 13:47 < jdub> (conffile not removed)
[01:49] <jdub_> when commenting out the umount -l, it doesn't happen
[01:49] <Kamion> mojo: BTW, not many developers are actually involved in ubuntuforums.org
[01:49] <jdub_> reproducible
 amazing! I got a picture of jdub without him making funny faces.
[01:49] <jdub_> we can't figure it out :-)
[01:49] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Now you have to die
[01:49] <jdub_> FUCK Mithrandir 
[01:49] <Kamion> jdub_: isn't that the same as lamont discovered the other day?
[01:50] <jdub_> Kamion: he did?
[01:50] <Kamion> uh-huh
[01:50] <Kamion> hadn't fully figured out the right solution last I checked
[01:50] <jdub_> so you guys handily kept it to yourselves? :)
[01:50] <jdub_> and we were feeling the ABJECT PAIN?
[01:50] <Mithrandir> mjg59: heh
[01:51] <lamont__r> jdub_: discussed it in channel, etc.
[01:51] <lamont__r> hell, we discussed it on #ubuntu, iirc
[01:51] <jdub_> lamont__r: so it turns out to be an old unremoved conffile
[01:51] <mojo> I'd like to contribute a hack for Ubuntu-about that include all photos of all developers
[01:51] <lamont__r> really? doh!
[01:51] <mojo> IF I have all photos of u guys
[01:52] <lupus_> I just say it because one time a forum of a friend got hacked and I also got messages like this
[01:53] <mojo> Kamion: lol, as u wish, privacy must be respected
[01:53] <Kamion> we could have jdub in his normal working-at-home clothing
[01:54] <Kamion> ... or perhaps not
[01:54] <lamont__r> Kamion: head and shoulders only
[01:55] <Kamion> daniels: l-r-m 2.6.9-2 failed on i386, different way
[01:55] <lamont__r> jdub: ew.  wet.
[01:55] <Kamion> daniels: oh, missing build-dep on whatever provides xf86vmode.h
[01:56] <elmo> Rejected: nvidia-glx-dev_1.0.6629-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb: old version (1.0.6629-0ubuntu1) in hoary >= new version (1.0.6629-0ubuntu1
[01:56] <elmo> ) targeted at hoary.
[01:56] <elmo> daniels: ^---
[01:56] <lamont__r> daniels: are you really camm?
[01:57] <Kamion> miaow
[01:57] <robtaylor|mataro> mdz: you around?
[01:57] <jdub_> BONG
[01:57] <daniels> elmo: danke
[01:57] <mjg59> daniels: Dude, you suck
[01:58] <daniels> lamont__r: camm?
[01:59] <lamont__r> upload, curse, repeat.
[01:59] <lamont__r> daniels: nm
[02:04] <robtaylor|mataro> amu: do you know if mdz's d-i livecd niceness is playable with?
[02:04] <robtaylor|mataro> arch repo?
[02:04] <fabbione> mjg59: do we have anything missing in the kernel?
[02:05] <fabbione> like new acpi or something?
[02:05] <mjg59> fabbione: There is new acpi, but I don't think any of it's needed right at the moment
[02:05] <mjg59> 2.6.10 ought to be out by Christmas
[02:05] <fabbione> mjg59: ok.. than i am going to put 2.6.9 in maintainance and start working on 2.6.10
[02:06] <jdub_> fabbione: woo hoo!
[02:07] <fabbione> jdub_: btw -5 is only one change...
[02:07] <mjg59> With the exception of the craptop and Scott's thing, I've now managed working suspend to RAM on every machine I've laid hands on
[02:07] <fabbione> it includes compressed loop support for the livecd
[02:07] <ross> thom: what was the ipod reset command again?
[02:07] <mjg59> daniels: Oh, there are various Xorg issues with StR if DRI is enabled, it seems
[02:08] <fabbione> mjg59: thom tested my laptop with suspend to ram and it seems to work fine.. so you can add another one to the list
[02:08] <mjg59> fabbione: What sort do you have?
[02:08] <thom> ross: inner two buttons for 5 sec iirc
[02:09] <thom> mjg59: did you get netapplet 1.0 packaged? i have a patch here to make it use g-s-t (from garnacho)
[02:09] <mjg59> thom: Not yet
[02:09] <mjg59> But, uh, my 0.99.4 packages use g-s-t
[02:09] <thom> hrm, they do? gar.
[02:09] <mjg59> Seriously, the only change between 0.99.4 and 1.0 is that they've removed one binary and added translations and gettext support
[02:10] <mjg59> It's a 4-line diff to the code
[02:10] <jdub_> ahr
[02:10] <thom> righto, i'll just thump on 0.99.4
[02:10] <mjg59> Haha
[02:10] <thom> when daniels fixes my Xorg, anyway
[02:10] <mjg59> fixmyx.org?
[02:10] <ross> thom: rock, ta
[02:11] <fabbione> mjg59: Compaq Armada M700
[02:11] <mjg59> mjg59@tyrosine:/etc/network$ whois fixmyx.org
[02:11] <mjg59> NOT FOUND
[02:11] <mjg59> fabbione: Rocking
[02:16] <fabbione> ALWAYS
[02:18] <fabbione> actually... 2.6.9 has a broken ipv6
[02:18] <fabbione> HMMM
[02:22] <haggai> Riddell: http://www.credativ.com/~cha/kubuntu/kubuntu-start.sxi
[02:22] <haggai> Riddell: don't take the logo too seriously, I just knocked it up during the previous BOF :)
[02:23] <haggai> in fact, I knocked up the whole thing during the previous bof
[02:23] <haggai> maybe something to do with the fact that jdub_ didn't tell me I had a bof
[02:23] <jdub_> haha
[02:24] <haggai> ok, he told me I had a bof, just not when
[02:27] <fabbione> argh no
[02:27] <fabbione> we can't pull in the changes for ipv6 easily
[02:27] <fabbione> it looks like they break the ABI
[02:29] <fabbione> [PATCH]  ATA over Ethernet driver for 2.6.9 <- *shrugs*
[02:29] <jdub> heh
[02:29] <jdub> WOO!
[02:34] <fabbione> no
[02:34] <fabbione> this is NOT going in
[02:34] <Mithrandir> fabbione: but it's craaack
[02:35] <daniels> wtf?
[02:35] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i know :-)
[02:35] <fabbione> i am freezinf 2.6.9 with -5
[02:35] <fabbione> and start working on 2.6.10
[02:35] <fabbione> so it has all the time to go upstream
[02:35] <fabbione> ;)
[02:37] <fabbione> CRAAAAAK
[02:37] <fabbione> :P
[02:40] <Q-FUNK> Can I paste about 5 lines of errors that procps gives me during installation?
[02:47] <Keybuk> LAMONT!!!!!!!!!!)$*("$(*!($*("$*!_$*_!($*"!
[02:48] <fabbione> Keybuk: did you find the hotplug bug?
[02:48] <Keybuk> yes
[02:48] <pitti> Keybuk: indeed?
[02:48] <fabbione> and?
[02:48] <Keybuk> pitti: as *soon* as you stood up, it did it
[02:48] <pitti> I'll come down again
[02:48] <fabbione> ahaha
[02:49] <lamont__r> Keybuk: yes?
[02:49] <Keybuk> lamont__r: please report to the ballroom for a beating
[02:49] <lamont_r> ??
[02:49] <lamont_r> hotplug or something else?
[02:50] <lamont_r> or is it time to string cat5 to the rooms?
[02:50] <Keybuk> lamont_r: can you do something for me ...
[02:50] <Keybuk> login as root, or use sudo
[02:50] <Keybuk> cd /
[02:50] <Keybuk> umount -l ""
[02:51] <lamont_r> Keybuk: could you do me a favor?  make udev remove old dead conffiles.../
[02:52] <Keybuk> only if you do me a favour and fix umount to not accept "" and then canonicalise it by prepending the current working directory :p
[02:52] <lamont_r> deal
[02:52] <carlos> This looks like "chain of favours"
[02:52] <carlos> ;-)
[02:54] <Q-FUNK> udev.. bah, just make it work. 
[02:55] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: procps> file a bug
[02:55] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: I wanted to first check if this was a known issue.
[02:55] <Kamion> go ahead
[02:56] <Kamion> fabbione: did you confirm drivers/block/cloop.o?
[02:56] <Q-FUNK> Setting up procps (3.2.1-2ubuntu3) ...
[02:56] <Kamion> .ko, rather
[02:56] <Q-FUNK>  * Setting kernel variables...
[02:56] <Q-FUNK> error: 'dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation' is an unknown key
[02:56] <Q-FUNK> error: 'dev.mac_hid.mouse_button2_keycode' is an unknown key
[02:56] <Q-FUNK>  *ror: 'dev.mac_hid.mouse_button3_keycode' is an unknown key                                                          [fail] 
[02:56] <Q-FUNK> invoke-rc.d: initscript procps.sh, action "start" failed.
[02:56] <Q-FUNK> dpkg: error processing procps (--configure):
[02:56] <lamont_r> fabbione: is there a 2.6.9-4 then?
[02:56] <Kamion> uh, I guess that'd be my fault, let me look
[02:57] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: what architecture?
[02:57] <Q-FUNK> powerpc
[02:57] <Kamion> huh - but not a mac?
[02:57] <fabbione> Kamion: drivers/block/cloop.ko
[02:58] <fabbione> lamont_r: -4 was up yesterday
[02:58] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: do you have a /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid directory?
[02:58] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: yes, an iMac.
[02:58] <fabbione> lamont_r: i am going to upload -5 today
[02:58] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: none.
[02:58] <fabbione> Kamion: can you give me the next version for kernel-wedge? so i can build-dep on it?
[02:59] <Kamion> fabbione: 1.25ubuntu6
[02:59] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: freaky. please file a bug, assign to cjwatson@canonical.com
[02:59] <fabbione> Kamion: tahnks
[03:01] <Kamion> fabbione: uploaded
[03:01] <fabbione> Kamion: cool
[03:02] <fabbione> Kamion: uploading the kernel now.. lamont will have to depwait MUHA MUHA MUHA
[03:03] <lamont_r> hrmpf
[03:03] <Kamion> fabbione: s'not like kernel-wedge takes long to build ...
[03:03] <fabbione> Kamion: it's not like it will hit the archive before the kernel will attempt its build :-P
[03:03] <Kamion> true :)
[03:03] <fabbione> oh actually it can make it
[03:03] <fabbione> it's 02
[03:03] <fabbione> iirc at 03 or something there is the end of the day
[03:05] <fabbione> Kamion: there.. uploaded
[03:07] <lamont_r> fabbione: uploads get processed every 5 minutes (:00), and cron.daily happens at :[03] 3.  You have to  upload before :00 or :30 for it to make it.
[03:07] <lamont_r> note the _before_
[03:09] <fabbione> yeah
[03:09] <fabbione> probably Kamion managed before that
[03:09] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: I'm still unsure which option to set in reportbug to assign the bug to yourself specifically.
[03:09] <fabbione> i am sure i didn't
[03:09] <Kamion> fabbione: no, I didn't
[03:09] <fabbione> ok
[03:09] <fabbione> no bigge
[03:09] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: don't use reportbug, use bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:09] <fabbione> ;)
[03:10] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: ARGH.  no thanks.  I'm not gonna create yet another user on yet another free software project's own Bugzilla.
[03:10] <Kamion> sorry, it's not my idea
[03:11] <Kamion> we're writing something better which should allow bug submissions by e-mail
[03:11] <Q-FUNK> bugzilla is fine, but the user database should be shared between projects.
[03:11] <Q-FUNK> I know it's not necessarily your idea.
[03:13] <Q-FUNK> it's just that I'm about to reach the threshold where I become allergic to free software, because of the lack of integration on simple things like sharing the user/password database betwwen all bugzillas.
[03:13] <azeem> eh, that's not a simple thing
[03:13] <azeem> socially-wise
[03:13] <Kamion> we won't be using bugzilla long-term.
[03:13] <Q-FUNK> I hate to say this, but it is one simple area where Uncle Bill had the right idea with his Passport.
[03:14] <Kamion> enough. we won't be using this system long-term.
[03:14] <ross> yeah, passport. single point of failure
[03:14] <Q-FUNK> ross: I find it a LOT preferable to the current case where users have to create an acocunt for every bugzilla on the earth.
[03:15] <Q-FUNK> but that's besides the point. I'll just blog about it instead. :)
[03:15] <Keybuk> lamont_r: that's my side done :)  new hal will delete that file if it exists, and also won't accept DEVNAME="" in the replacement
[03:15] <Keybuk> fixed umount yet?
[03:24] <lamont_r> Keybuk: debian uploaded, double checking hoary now
[03:34] <jdub> azeem: ping?
[03:35] <azeem> yeah?
[03:35] <lamont_r> Keybuk/jdub/whomeverelse. uploaded.
[03:35] <lamont_r> sadly, you'll have to wait an hour for complete bliss
[03:35] <jdub> lamont_r: ;-)
[03:35] <jdub> thanks dude
[03:36] <jdub> azeem: your multisync packages - the binaries aren't updated?
[03:36] <jdub> azeem: nothing new to update here, just wanted to check
[03:36] <lamont_r> jdub: sorry for blaming it 100% on hal...
[03:36] <jdub> everyone else did ;)
[03:37] <azeem> jdub: well, the prior packages used to be a full sync with cvs. The ones I just announced only sync the evo2-plugin. Thus, they are 0.82_ while the others are 0.82+0.83cvs20041206 or something
[03:37] <azeem> so there *are* new binaries, but they sort lower
[03:37] <jdub> oh
[03:38] <jdub> bong :)
[03:38] <azeem> greatly simplifies the patch, though :)
[03:38] <daniels> PAAANTS
[03:39] <Keybuk> PAAAATCH
[03:39] <jdub> azeem: the synce should use the standard naming :/
[03:40] <azeem> yeah
[03:41] <jdub> $ apt-cache show multisync | grep ^Version
[03:41] <jdub> Version: 0.82-3.2ubuntu1
[03:41] <jdub> that's right?
[03:41] <azeem> yeah
[03:41] <jdub> lots of evo plugin dep problems
[03:41] <azeem> bah
[03:41] <jdub>   libmultisync-plugin-evolution: Depends: libebook8 (>= 1.0.2) but it is not installable
[03:41] <jdub>                                  Depends: libecal6 (>= 1.0.2) but it is not installable
[03:41] <jdub>                                  Depends: libedata-book1 (>= 1.0.2) but it is not installable
[03:41] <jdub>                                  Depends: libedata-cal5 (>= 1.0.2) but it is not installable
[03:41] <jdub>                                  Depends: libedataserver3 (>= 1.0.2) but it is not installable
[03:42] <jdub> 
[03:42] <jdub> did you build on unstable, or...? :)
[03:42] <fabbione> thom: where is located the printer?
[03:42] <jdub> in the hack room
[03:42] <azeem> maybe I forgot -d hoary this time, hang on
[03:42] <fabbione> thanks
[03:42] <azeem> jdub: bah
[03:42] <jdub> um
[03:43] <azeem> rebuilding now, sorry
[03:43] <jdub> i can rebuild
[03:43] <jdub> just pulling the source now
[03:43] <azeem> cool, thanks
[03:43] <pitti> ogra_: ping
[03:43] <azeem> I'll update the binaries I mentioned anyway
[03:44] <fabbione> jdub: how do i print a simple text file to it?
[03:44] <fabbione> cups already see it (apparently)
[03:44] <pitti> fabbione: don't just send the raw ascii file, it will mess up the page borders
[03:44] <pitti> fabbione: I printed it from OO.o
[03:44] <fabbione> ok
[03:45] <pitti> fabbione: the keysigning list, I suppose? :-)
[03:46] <jdub> Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/ubuntu-hoary/./multisync_0.82.orig.tar.gz  404 Not Found
[03:46] <seb128> ah ah
[03:46] <jdub> :-)
[03:47] <azeem> jdub: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/multisync/multisync_0.82.orig.tar.gz
[03:47] <fabbione> pitti: yeps
[03:48] <azeem> ;)
[03:48] <azeem> but I'll upload it to my place for convenience
[03:48] <jdub> ok, ok
[03:49] <jdub> i'll just grab that
[03:51] <jdub> azeem: still build-deps on old soup and gal
[03:52] <azeem> ah, didn't know there was a new one
[03:52] <lamont_r> fabbione: print 2 copies, eh?
[03:52] <jdub> hrm
[03:53] <jdub> and stuff that doesn't exist...
[03:53] <azeem> like?
[03:53] <jdub> libglade-dev
[03:53] <lamont_r> Kamion: around for a question?
[03:55] <azeem> hrm
[03:55] <Kamion> lamont_r: yeah
[03:55] <azeem> Note, selecting libglade0-dev instead of libglade-dev
[03:55] <azeem> should it take another one?
[03:56] <lamont_r> azeem: say hello to build-depending on a virtual package
[03:57] <azeem> lamont_r: hey, it's not my package, I'm just trying to fix it for you guys :p
[03:57] <lamont_r> it's fine like it is
[03:57] <lamont_r> that is, that is a note, not an error.
[03:57] <azeem> jdub seemd to imply otherwise, that's why I qouted it
[03:58] <lamont_r> Kamion: elilo-installer is ftbfs... control declares it to be arch: ia64, but the package builds indep-only...
[03:58] <lamont_r> what was the corner case of packages that were arch: all wrt dependencies and arch: <specific>?
[03:58] <lamont_r> that is, which direction of dependencies was bad?
[03:59] <Kamion> uh ... either?
[03:59] <Kamion> it's only for binNMUs though isn't it?
[03:59] <Kamion> unless I'm missing something
[03:59] <lamont_r> how so?  i386 depends: all shouldn't be an issue, right?
[03:59] <Kamion> sure will, if the depends: is (= ${Source-Version})
[03:59] <lamont_r> had to do with moving into testing.  istr it was arch: all depends arch: i386-only package --> not installable on !i386
[04:00] <lamont_r> or something like that
[04:00] <lamont_r> multiple source packages here
[04:00] <lamont_r> so no version'ed depends at all.
[04:00] <Kamion> oh, right, testing special-cases i386 for validating arch: all dependencies if that's what you mean?
[04:00] <Kamion> I'll fix elilo-installer, thanks
[04:00] <azeem> jdub: libgal-dev and libsoup2.2-dev should be alright?
[04:00] <lamont_r> I have the upload prepared, changing it to arch: all in control.
[04:00] <Kamion> uh, no
[04:00] <lamont_r> just wanted to make sure I wasn't on crack.
[04:00] <Kamion> please don't
[04:01] <lamont_r> ok
[04:01] <azeem> eh
[04:01] <Kamion> we actively don't want elilo-installer on other arches, it'll break stuff
[04:01] <azeem> libgal2.4-dev, rather
[04:01] <Kamion> lamont_r: switch debian/rules round instead
[04:01] <lamont_r> ah, right.
[04:01] <lamont_r> ok.
[04:01] <lamont_r> should I, or do you really want it?
[04:01] <Kamion> go ahead, I'll do it upstream as well
[04:02] <lamont_r> ok.
[04:02] <lamont_r> dannf doesn't mind?
[04:02] <lamont_r> already filed the bug in debian's bts...
[04:02] <Kamion> d-i's cooperatively maintained in general
[04:02] <Kamion> I'll do it when I next read -boot
[04:03] <lamont_r> ah, right. dannf is uploader, not maint.  my bad
[04:04] <Kamion> although certainly if he wants to do it it makes life easier, since he actually has a system to upload it on ...
[04:05] <lamont_r> heh
[04:06] <fabbione> mdz, Kamion, elmo: can we promote silo, silo-installer, sparc-utils and genromfs to main? the first 3 packages are mandatory to boot/d-i, the last one to build world *
[04:06] <fabbione> they are all for sparc so it shouldn't be a big deal
[04:06] <fabbione> well genromfs is arch any...
[04:10] <azeem> jdub: I've uploaded a 0.82-3.2ubuntu2 source package
[04:10] <Keybuk> so now I have to teach ifup to ignore interfaces that don't exist
[04:10] <azeem>    * debian/control (Build-Depends): Updated to libglade2-dev,
[04:10] <azeem>      libsoup2.2-dev and libgal2.4-dev.
[04:14] <Keybuk> this file is full of crack!
[04:14] <jdub> azeem: thanks
[04:15] <jdub> totem or mplayer -> http://192.168.0.109.8800/
[04:15] <jdub> totem or mplayer -> http://192.168.0.109:8800/
[04:15] <aj> what?
[04:16] <Keybuk> illiterate programming :-/
[04:16] <Keybuk> :p
[04:16] <aj> you're telling ifup to bring interfaces up/down when they don't exist and you're whining when it objects to that?
[04:16] <Keybuk> yes
[04:16] <aj> crazy freak
[04:16] <Keybuk> ifup -a whines that interfaces don't exist
[04:16] <aj> lamont: poke
[04:16] <Keybuk> because the modules aren't loaded yet
[04:16] <Keybuk> the alternative is to remove the auto lines for them and make hotplug load all interfaces
[04:17] <aj> hotplug/ifupdown interaction is a bit flakey
[04:17] <Keybuk> yeah, I'm fixing it
[04:18] <pitti> ogra_: you have mail
[04:19] <Keybuk> well, breaking it quite heavily at the moment
[04:19] <Keybuk> but fixing is on the cards :)
[04:20] <elmo> lamont's wandered off
[04:20] <aj> typical
[04:20] <aj> elmo: what was with the tetex nmu? did lamont really not mail the bts/maintainer?
[04:20] <Keybuk> lamont summoned
[04:21] <lamont_r> aj: sup?
[04:21] <mdz> amu: nc 192.168.0.97 1234 | tar xvf -
[04:22] <lamont_r> aj: oh that.
[04:22] <lamont_r> connectivity was crap for email yesterday for me.
[04:22] <lamont_r> and was having general frustration with TCP sessions in general (crappy wireless reception where I was and couldn't leave)
[04:23] <lamont_r> and I fear I let the NMU get ahead of the email
[04:23] <lamont_r> bts has mail...
[04:23] <aj> fair enough
[04:23] <lamont_r> there were mumblings in irc before and after the NMU as well.
[04:23] <lamont_r> (from me that is.)
[04:24] <lamont_r> and I should have really read the topic here.
[04:24] <lamont_r> sigh
[04:24] <lamont_r> and I apologized for my poor execution of process to the maintainer as well.
[04:25] <aj> sure, i was being sceptical, not critical
[04:25] <lamont_r> aj: will be more precise in my execution henceforth
[04:25] <Keybuk> "lamont in unexpected NMU shocker" :p
[04:25] <aj> (lamont, not know how to nmu? huh?)
[04:25] <lamont_r> it was a shade too weakly ordered today.
[04:25] <amu> mdz: done; thx
[04:26] <lamont_r> aj: various excuses, etc, etc.  I will admit to weak ordering being pretty common, but the mail to the bts is usually right behind the upload when I do that...
[04:26] <lamont_r> this one was weakly and widely ordered...  (As in woke up this morning and went 'damn.  I forgot to mail the bts last night'.)
[04:27] <aj> lamont: how come you haven't setup a script that sends the mail as part of uploading?
[04:28] <lamont_r> aj: was actually thinking this morning (as I uploaded util-linux) of doing a debian upload script...
[04:32] <lamont_r> since uploading debian packages correctly is a pain for me now.
[04:32] <lamont_r> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S ; sbuild; mergechanges; debsign; dput
[04:32] <azeem> lamont_r: sbuild in unstable has an -s option for building sourceful/binary uploads properly...
[04:33] <lamont_r> azeem: I've had issues with that in the past, but may just go play with it some more
[04:33] <azeem> I fixed it a while ago
[04:33] <lamont_r> cool
[04:34] <lamont_r> which version?  sometime before 2004.09.06?
[04:37] <azeem> hmm, guess so
[04:37] <azeem> not sure
[04:43] <azeem> lamont_r: #239339 has a patch
[04:49] <lamont_r> thanks
[05:01] <haggai> any of the pygtk chaps aounrd?
[05:01] <Mithrandir> incredible, ooo finished building.
[05:01] <haggai> Mithrandir: congratz
[05:01] <Mithrandir> didn't install successfully, though
[05:02] <daniels> Mithrandir: whoops
[05:02] <_rene_> hmm? what did you use? CVS HEAD?
[05:02] <Mithrandir> _rene_: no, I'm hacking on the gvfs problem
[05:02] <_rene_> there was a rm and cvs rm missing to a few mins
[05:02] <_rene_> ah, ok
[05:02] <haggai> remon: 
[05:02] <haggai> oops
[05:03] <haggai> _rene_: it's still -2
[05:03] <_rene_> didn't know on what Mithrandir tested with, so ;-)
[05:03] <_rene_> s/on //
[05:03] <_rene_> args
[05:04] <haggai> Mithrandir: same problem here.  install: cannot stat `tools/unxlngi4.gnomevfs.pro/lib/libtl645li.so': No such file or directory
[05:04] <haggai> where are the pygtk guys hiding?
[05:05] <haggai> comeon there's a whole pygtk bof happening, there's gotta be someone here already
[05:05] <Mithrandir> haggai: I don't have any targets depending on tools.gnomevfs..
[05:08] <haggai> Mithrandir: $(STAMP_DIR)/install-arch: debian/openoffice.org$(VER)-gnomevfs.install
[05:08] <Mithrandir> haggai: you rock.
[05:08] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu ~/ooo/openoffice.org-1.1.3 > ldd ./tools/unxlngi4.gnomevfs.pro/lib/libtl645li.so | grep gnomevfs
[05:09] <Mithrandir>         libgnomevfs-2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgnomevfs-2.so.0 (0xb7eb8000)
[05:09] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu ~/ooo/openoffice.org-1.1.3 > ldd ./tools/unxlngi4.pro/lib/libtl645li.so | grep gnomevfs
[05:09] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu ~/ooo/openoffice.org-1.1.3 >
[05:09] <haggai> oooh :)
[05:14] <Keybuk> tollef statically linked openoffice?
[05:14] <Keybuk> or just linked it to gnomevfs
[05:14] <Mithrandir> I _stopped_ linking it to ooo
[05:14] <Mithrandir> s/ooo/gvfs
[05:14] <Mithrandir> so elmo won't cry.
[05:14] <Mithrandir> not much, at least.
[05:15] <Keybuk> aww
[05:15] <Keybuk> no love
[05:15] <Mithrandir> the ooo-bin shouldn't link to gvfs, the ooo-gnomevfs should
[05:15] <Mithrandir> right now, both does.
[05:19] <Mithrandir> debuild -S for ooo takes more time thank building binaries for most other packages I maintain.
[05:23] <Mithrandir> debuild -S on OOO takes approximately one apache2.
[05:30] <_rene_> Mithrandir: hehe
[05:30] <_rene_> I usually keep two identical trees around when doing uploads
[05:31] <Mithrandir> I'm serious.
[05:31] <_rene_> one for the source, one for the binaries
[05:31] <Mithrandir> and apache is slooooow
[05:31] <_rene_> build the binaries -> works -> checkin -> cvs up -> debuild -S -> mergechanges
[05:31] <_rene_> roughly that way
[05:31] <_rene_> so I don't have to build the sourcepkg over and over ;-)
[05:32] <Mithrandir> and I'm after a tiny patch for you/chris
[05:33] <daniels> we will have the quickest. boot. ever.
[05:35] <Mithrandir> slooooow.
[05:36] <daniels> make openoffice load quicker
[05:36] <Mithrandir> make it diff quicker.
[05:37] <Mithrandir> I don't care about loading, I just want to diff it. :P
[05:47] <haggai> _rene_: we had a brainstorming session yesterday about getting OOo to load quicker
[05:48] <haggai> _rene_: keybuk reckons we'd be far better if we linked everything into 1 huuge lib
[05:48] <_rene_> isn't there some option which created one binary?
[05:48] <haggai> _rene_: he says since its memmapped it won't take up swap or memory
[05:48] <_rene_> s/ed/es/
[05:48] <_rene_> but that would hurt external extensions
[05:48] <haggai> _rene_: I don't think so, only an option to create a large zip file for install instead of the little ones
[05:49] <haggai> _rene_: why would it hurt them?
[05:49] <_rene_> since they often link against lib*645??.so
[05:49] <haggai> well we could leave the libs around if we wanted, just leave them pretty empty
[05:50] <tim1> hello
[05:51] <tim1> i need scrnsaver.h to compile beagle, packages.debian.org says it is in the 'xlibs-devel' package, but the ubuntu package doesn't seem to contain that file
[05:53] <_rene_> xlibs-static-dev (on sarge)
[05:53] <_rene_> you probably looked in woody. don't :)
[05:53] <tim1> i have both installed
[05:54] <tim1> isn't in there either
[05:54] <Mithrandir> _rene_, haggai: http://err.no/patches/openoffice-gnomevfs-link.diff
[05:54] <haggai> tim1: search the Contents.gz files in the ftp archive
[05:55] <haggai> Mithrandir: cheers
[05:55] <Mithrandir> haggai: does it look ok to you?
[05:55] <_rene_> didn't we want to make that logic reversed?
[05:56] <haggai> _rene_: yes, that's why I said to you it needs work before checking in
[05:56] <_rene_> ah, ok
[05:56] <haggai> what was it, waitresses? 
[05:57] <Mithrandir> haggai: does it come with an eight-way dual-core opteron system with 48GB memory and 15k RPM SCSI disks?
[05:57] <Mithrandir> because else, people will die of old age before it finishes compiling
[05:57] <haggai> Mithrandir: uh, sure.  But I'll not tell you where to find it in the huuuge project hehe
[05:58] <Mithrandir> heh
[05:59] <thom> lala, 36 seconds with old hotplug
[06:00] <daniels> THIRTY-SIX.
[06:00] <jordi> daniels: rock
[06:00] <tim1> haggai: the contents.gz list it in xlibs-static-dev
[06:01] <tim1> but i have that one installed
[06:01] <tim1> still mssing ..
[06:01] <daniels> tim1: libxss-dev
[06:03] <tim1> daniels: thanks very much, i think that's it
[06:05] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: what is the 1.10 arch branch in your repo?
[06:06] <Keybuk> scott@netsplit.com--2004/dpkg--stable--1.10
[06:06] <Mithrandir> thx
[06:09] <jdub> http://192.168.0.93:8800/
[06:11] <ross> oh oh oh
[06:11] <ross> i wonder what is there
[06:11] <jdub> flumotion stream :)
[06:11] <daniels> jdub: ogg vorbis stream of the bof?
[06:11] <jdub> theora
[06:11] <jdub> no sound
[06:12] <Mithrandir> rob taylor, mako, amaya and helix
[06:12] <ross> jdub: rock! make it external
[06:12] <Mithrandir> jdub: what kind of cam is it you have?
[06:12] <daniels> jdub: NICE!
[06:12] <ross> ross: and take it to the pub
[06:12] <jdub> Mithrandir: logitech quickcam
[06:12] <jdub> ross: trying
[06:13] <Mithrandir> jdub: does it come with the laptop screen thing by default?
[06:13] <jdub> yeah
[06:13] <jdub> handy
[06:13] <Mithrandir> neat
[06:16] <Mithrandir> jdub: the streaming thing is packaged?
[06:17] <haggai> waah I only see a blue screen
[06:17] <jdub> Mithrandir: flumotion
[06:17] <jdub> haggai: what are you using to watch the stream?
[06:18] <haggai> jdub: totem
[06:18] <jdahlin> hmm, I can't get openoffice to run
[06:18] <jdub> gstreamer or xine?
[06:18] <Mithrandir> jdub: packaged? :)
[06:19] <jdub> Mithrandir: ... as flumotion :)
[06:19] <Mithrandir> oh, ok
[06:19] <jdub> jdahlin: look at haggai :-)
[06:19] <jdahlin> jdub: oh, I thought the last entry in the changelog is the maintainer applied even to ubuntu
[06:20] <jdub> jdahlin: it does, but haggai is the MAIN MAN
[06:20] <haggai> jdahlin: if you'd like some help you need to be more specific please
[06:20] <jdub> haggai: for totem-gstreamer, you can look at jdahlin 
[06:20] <jdahlin> haggai: I removed an old .sversionrc and .openoffice*, but it still fails to startup
[06:20] <tseng> are you dudes looking for bug reports against swsusp now?
[06:20] <jdub> haggai: probably worth trying totem-xine
[06:20] <tseng> or just a test run
[06:20] <jdahlin> haggai: complaining that I have no entry for 1.1.3 in .sversionrc
[06:20] <jdub> tseng: for 2.6.9 kernels? yeah!
[06:20] <tseng> ya
[06:21] <jdahlin> BBB@#gstreamer is the perfect guy for totem-gstreamer
[06:21] <haggai> jdub: what console output do you get?  And are there any soffice.bin processes hanging around?
[06:21] <haggai> uuh
[06:21] <haggai> jdahlin: 
[06:21] <haggai> sorry I was too lazy to type enough
[06:22] <haggai> I have totem-gstreamer installed
[06:22] <jdahlin> $ openoffice 
[06:22] <jdahlin> OpenOffice.org for Debian - see /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian.gz
[06:22] <jdahlin> running openoffice.org setup...
[06:22] <jdahlin> Setup did not complete properly - cannot find an entry in ~/.sversionrc
[06:22] <jdub> haggai: yeah, try totem-xine
[06:22] <jdahlin> that's what I get
[06:22] <haggai> jdahlin: oh cool that breaks ubuntu-desktop
[06:22] <haggai> arrgh
[06:23] <haggai> that was for jdub
[06:23] <jdahlin> seems like libtheora is broken on amd64 aswell
[06:23] <haggai> jdahlin: what's in the setup logfile under .openoffice?
[06:24] <jdahlin> haggai: everything seems fine in there
[06:24] <haggai> jdahlin: and you don't have an .sversionrc?
[06:24] <jdahlin> haggai: well I had, but README.Debian told me to remove it
[06:24] <jdahlin> so, no I don't
[06:24] <haggai> jdahlin: but the 'running openoffice.org setup...' step should recreate it
[06:25] <jdahlin> haggai: what do I need to put in the file?
[06:25] <haggai> jdahlin: nothing, OOo makes it
[06:26] <haggai> I still get a blue screen, even with totem-xine
[06:29] <jdahlin> haggai: but to do it manually I mean
[06:29] <jdahlin> jdub: I need streaming love tomorrow
[06:29] <haggai> jdahlin: you never need to do it manually
[06:30] <haggai> jdahlin: and you say setup.log is ok :-/
[06:30] <haggai> ffice.org setup...' step should recreate it
[06:30] <haggai> sorry
[06:30] <haggai> [Versions] 
[06:30] <haggai> OpenOffice.org 1.1.3=file:///home/chris/.openoffice/1.1.1
[06:30] <jdahlin> OK  set profile item: file:///home/jdahlin/.sversionrc, Versions, OpenOffice.org 1.1.2, file:///home/jdahlin/.openoff
[06:30] <jdahlin> ice/1.1.3
[06:31] <haggai> but as I said, you never need to create it by hand
[06:31] <haggai> versions 1.1.2??
[06:31] <jdahlin> hmm, it's created now
[06:31] <haggai> do you have package skew?
[06:31] <jdahlin> s/1.1.2/1.1.3/ in .sversionrc fixes it
[06:32] <jdahlin> yeah, I seem to have
[06:32] <jdahlin> openoffice.org-bin is 1.1.2
[06:32] <jdahlin> the rest seems to be 1.1.3
[06:32] <jdahlin> except documentation, which is 1.1
[06:32] <haggai> jdahlin: ok, those deps should be tightened up then.  Thanks
[06:34] <haggai> Package: openoffice.org
[06:34] <jdahlin> haggai: you're welcome. ping me if you want me to test a new version
[06:34] <haggai> Depends: openoffice.org-debian-files (>> 1.1.2+1.1.3), openoffice.org-bin (>> 1.1.2+1.1.3)
[06:34] <haggai> jdahlin: in the source it's ok
[06:34] <jdahlin> I installed warty here and upgraded to hoary
[06:35] <haggai> but the hoary version of openoffice.org has the correct depends
[06:35] <haggai> so you shouldn't be able to have that happen
[06:35] <jdahlin> I did the upgrade 5 days ago if that matters
[06:36] <haggai> well, if you upgrade from an unstable distro you should always check for new versions...
[06:37] <haggai> I don't think in this case it would matter, though
[06:39] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: http://bugs.an9.org  this is the solution to the Bugzilla login. :)
[06:42] <jordi> jdahlin: are you around the conference now?
[06:43] <jdahlin> jordi: yeah
[06:43] <jordi> jdahlin: if so, 1) where, I want to meet you :p  and 2) your room mate is here and I guess needs a key. :)
[06:43] <jdahlin> jordi: I'm in the main hall
[06:43] <jordi> cristal?
[06:44] <jordi> or downstairs?
[06:44] <jdahlin> downstairs
[06:45] <jordi> err, not going anywhere actually :P
[07:12] <mdz> haggai: that's an openoffice.org-amd64 problem
[07:12] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: can you star-merge off tfheen@raw.no--2004/dpkg--main--1.10 ?  It has a few changes for some wishlist bug in dpkg
[07:13] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: (and I want to test that I haven't screwed up)
[07:13] <Mithrandir> mdz: what's an ooo-amd64 problem?
[07:20] <mjg59> thom: How long with shinyhotplug?
[07:33] <haggai> mdz: aah
[07:33] <haggai> Mithrandir: version skew
[07:41] <Simira> can anyone poke Mithrandir? Or are you signing now?
[07:42] <jordi> signing right now.
[07:42] <jordi> Just started, so it will take a while.
[07:42] <jordi> I'll tell him
[07:42] <Simira> ok
[07:42] <Simira> thanks
[07:43] <Simira> where's Erinn?
[07:43] <jordi> not keysigning, not sure
[07:43] <jordi> upstairs probably.
[07:43] <Simira> ok
[07:43] <Simira> no she's not gonna join the signing, I know. She should be online!
[07:46] <jordi> she has no lappy for herself tho
[07:50] <Simira> huh... og
[07:50] <Simira> do you know if Tollef have been to the restaurant where I lost my cam?
[07:51] <jordi> I have no idea. Want me to ask him?
[07:52] <jordi> k
[07:52] <Simira> I'lll do it when he comes online
[07:52] <jordi> he went there, but had not found it, and says he'll go again with me so I can talk to them properly.
[07:53] <Simira> ok, that'd be great, I'd really appreciate it
[07:54] <jordi> I guess we'll have a look at dinner time.
[07:54] <Simira> yep
[07:55] <Simira> sounds sensible
[07:58] <Simira> why's everone leaving?
[07:59] <jordi> No idea. Both of them aren't in the keysign.
[08:14] <Treenaks> hi everyone :)
[08:14] <Simira> hi Treenaks 
[08:14] <Treenaks> hi Simira 
[08:25] <sivang> Treenaks : already in home?
[08:26] <Treenaks> sivang: no.. I mis-calculated a bit
[08:26] <Treenaks> sivang: so I'm still in Spain
[08:26] <Treenaks> sivang: the HP/Intel people at gate M3 were so nice NOT to set a WEP key or MAC access list ;)
[08:27] <sivang> Treenaks : oh :-/
[08:27] <Treenaks> sivang: I'll board my plane in an hour
[08:27] <Treenaks> it's not too bad
[08:27] <Treenaks> I have enough books with me :)
[08:29] <sivang> oh that's good :)
[08:35] <Treenaks> sivang: pictures on my site :)
[08:36] <sivang> Treenaks : as alwasy :)
[08:36] <Treenaks> sivang: ;)
[08:39] <Simira> so, there... long phone call home to assure I've had a great time :)
[08:39] <Simira> got your christmas-gift, Treenaks ? Or was it for birthday...?
[08:39] <Treenaks> Simira: birthday, and no :(
[08:39] <Simira> sivang: hey. Still having a good time? How was the Deban-women bof?
[08:39] <Treenaks> don't know what to buy
[08:39] <Treenaks> but I'll think of something in Amsterdam or something
[08:40] <Treenaks> Simira: women? there were women at the conf? ;)
[08:40] <sivang> Simira : sure! I didn't attend it
[08:40] <Simira> Treenaks: Amsterdam is nice that way. You have to make her write a list with wishes and measures for clothes and stuff! Tell her that else, you can't buy her nice surprises.
[08:40] <Simira> sivang: ok
[08:41] <Treenaks> Simira: I'm useless buying clothes anyway :)
[08:41] <Treenaks> Simira: I'll stick with something vaguely useful
[08:41] <Simira> Treenaks: buy her some sexy underwear! Tollef did to me :) (ok, I picked it, but...)
[08:41] <Treenaks> Simira: tollef is not your brother
[08:42] <Simira> right, it was your sister, not your girlfriend... my bad
[08:42] <Treenaks> I'll find something
[08:42] <Treenaks> I know a cool store in Amsterdam that sells all kinds of games
[08:42] <Simira> cool
[08:42] <Treenaks> and huge 20x20cm fluffy dice 8)
[08:42] <Treenaks> uh
[08:42] <Treenaks> 20x20x20cm
[08:43] <Simira> yes, they've gotten those here as well
[08:43] <Simira> I'm gonna get a whole set
[08:43] <Treenaks> they're hell to roll, but it works :)
[08:43] <Simira> hehe
[08:43] <Simira> they're supposed to hang in the mirror on your car!
[08:43] <Treenaks> they're a bit too large for that
[08:44] <Treenaks> you wouldn't be able to see a thing ;)
[08:44] <Simira> heh
[08:44] <Simira> well, the small ones are all right
[08:44] <Treenaks> they also have lots of weird cool puzzles
[08:44] <Treenaks> so I might go for one of those
[08:44] <Treenaks> anyway
[08:45] <Treenaks> my laptop is starting to beep annoyingly
[08:45] <Simira> ouch
[08:45] <Treenaks> back in ~ 3 hours ;)
[08:45] <Simira> have a nice trip home then
[08:45] <Treenaks> thanks :)
[08:45] <Simira> (I didn't)
[08:45] <Treenaks> (why not?)
[08:45] <sjoerd> Treenaks: nice flight ;)
[08:45] <Simira> Treenaks: delays and stuff
[08:45] <Treenaks> Simira: ah.. too bad
[08:45] <Treenaks> sjoerd: dankjewel :)
[08:46] <Treenaks> *shutdown -h now*
[08:46] <Simira> sjoerd :)
[10:42] <Simira> robtaylor: hey, are people done eating?
[11:31] <fabbione>          lamont_r the AP in the room is really bad
[11:31] <fabbione> a lot of pkts loss
[11:34] <Mithrandir> fabbione: worksforme
[11:36] <fabbione> Mithrandir : very bad here in 132
[11:37] <Mithrandir> haggai: what kind of version skew?
[11:38] <fabbione> it seems better now
[11:39] <carlos> fabbione: you have it close, it's in daf's room
[11:41] <sladen> fabbione: it was non-existant in 131