[12:00] <|trey|> I don't see how something thats "being fixed" can be getting worse every time X restarts  :/
[12:01] <andred> Are there daily ISOs of Hoary like there was for Warty?
[12:02] <|trey|> andred, not sure about daily, but there are devel images, yes
[12:02] <andred> |trey|, cool, from where?
[12:04] <|trey|> andred, http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/
[12:04] <baluba> hi all
[12:04] <Quest-Master> :(
[12:04] <Quest-Master> jcole? ficusplanet?
[12:04] <baluba> anyone has IE6 running under wine on ubuntu?
[12:05] <spacey`ki> hwat was the correct way to add a self compiled kernel to the system?
[12:05] <andred> |trey|, thanks
[12:05] <spacey`ki> some sort of package creation needed right?
[12:05] <|trey|> spacey, kernel-package
[12:05] <guptan> I'm trying to install smartlink modem under ubuntu, where can I find package kernel-image for ubuntu?
[12:05] <|trey|> spacey, install and "man make-kpkg"
[12:06] <Quest-Master> baluba: Why do you want to run IE?!
[12:06] <Quest-Master> Btw
[12:06] <Quest-Master> You can run IE in CrossOver
[12:06] <spacey`ki> |trey|, thnx. just what i needed
[12:06] <goonie> can anyone tell me what the hw_random module really does? I get: modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting hw_random
[12:06] <goonie>   (/lib/modules/2.6.4-52-default/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random.ko):
[12:06] <goonie>   Input output error
[12:06] <|trey|> guptan, umm... thats the debian name for 'linux-image'... which is in 'main'
[12:07] <baluba> Quest-Master, you can guess it :) got to test my damn work on the crappy browser
[12:07] <guptan> |trey|, I have linux-image installed, still smartlink packages ask for kernel-image
[12:07] <Quest-Master> Thought so. :)
[12:07] <Quest-Master> You'll need CrossOver for that.
[12:07] <Quest-Master> It's commercial, but you can get a free version off of CVS.
[12:07] <baluba> Quest-Master, that's not free and i previously ran IE on debian. but in ubuntu doesn't start
[12:08] <gen> i'm partitoning a new (slave) drive with qtparted, ubuntu already on the master of course. i'm here to ask the difference between extended and primary partition?
[12:08] <socomm> baluba: Why would you want to use IE?
[12:08] <gen> and which would i choose for the data slave drive
[12:08] <baluba> Quest-Master, a well cvs. i'll take a look. tnx
[12:08] <|trey|> baluba, I've seen Crossover on Ubuntu... supposed to be getting a copy actually  :)
[12:09] <Quest-Master> I can't get Photoshop to work on Crossover for my life. :(
[12:09] <Quest-Master> I wish Adobe made a Linux version like they have one for Mac.
[12:09] <baluba> socomm, because is not standard and thus you can't rely in your validating html to work
[12:09] <gen> anyone help?
[12:09] <guptan> |trey|, just check this link: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=smartlink . I've all packages mentioned there already installed, but kernel-image
[12:09] <socomm> baluba: There are sites that will test your site on different browsers for you.
[12:10] <confrey> |trey|, I tried zinf, it's fine... thansk
[12:10] <|trey|> guptan, everything that says 'kernel-image' should read 'linux-image' there... its the same thing.
[12:10] <socomm> Forget it, I don't give a crap about html or Win32 programs.
[12:11] <baluba> socomm, yep i know one, but is not sufficient for my needs
[12:11] <guptan> |trey|, i've them all, but smartlink package asks for kernel-image
[12:13] <|trey|> guptan, read section 3 under "Compiling the driver"... thanks
[12:15] <guptan> |trey|, for that I need to install smartlink package first, its stuck in dependency problem of some kernel-image
[12:15] <|trey|> guptan, no, you just need to expand the tar.gz, and change the file;.
[12:16] <goonie> can anyone tell me what the hw_random module really does? I get: modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting hw_random
[12:16] <guptan> |trey|, I got a .deb from here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/s/sl-modem/
[12:16] <socomm> goonie: That's the hardware random number generator.
[12:17] <catdog> gen: afaik, there's no functional difference between primary and extended partitions, apart from the fact that you're limited only a few primary partitions per hard drive, whereas you're allowed many more extended partitions (although there is a limit).
[12:17] <|trey|> guptan, file a bug on that package about this... but in the mean time, get the tar.gz.
[12:17] <goonie> socomm: so it fails to load hw_random.ko on boot.. what can I do to fix it?
[12:17] <catdog> gen: that's how i understand it, but i may be quite wrong ;-)
[12:17] <socomm> goonie: If you have a ah ... hardware RNG, you obviously need that module.
[12:17] <|trey|> guptan, Ubuntu's kernel package is called 'linux-image', so it _shouldn't_ depend kernel-image
[12:18] <goonie> socomm: hardware RNG ?
[12:18] <guptan> |trey|, I understand.
[12:18] <socomm> goonie: You most likely don't have Hardware RNG.
[12:18] <socomm> Hardware Random Number Generator.
[12:18] <guptan> |trey|, is there anyway to get .tar.gz from .deb
[12:18] <goonie> socomm: so is it safe to blacklist the module?
[12:18] <socomm> goonie: Yes.
[12:19] <|trey|> guptan, umm, well technically... but it would be easier to just download tar.gz on its own  :/
[12:19] <goonie> socomm: thx :)
[12:19] <socomm> goonie: Don't mention it.
[12:19] <guptan> |trey|, u mean from smartlink itself?
[12:19] <|trey|> guptan, yes... that would probably be as good a place as any to get it  :/
[12:20] <guptan> |trey|, okies, let me try that way
[12:20] <cbkm> heh, I've just been setting up slmodemd in alsa mode :)
[12:20] <|trey|> guptan, _make_sure_ you file the bug though!
[12:20] <gen> how do i mount a drive
[12:21] <mjg59> goonie: Some Intel chipsets have a built-in random number generator
[12:21] <guptan> |trey|, well I need to learn first how to file a bug :)
[12:21] <mjg59> Intel removed it without changing the part number, so it's impossible to tell whether it's there or not without attempting to load the driver
[12:22] <|trey|> gen, depends if its in /etc/fstab ... if it is, 'mount /the/device'  else, 'mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /boot' for example
[12:22] <goonie> mjg59: I see
[12:22] <gen> what's the /boot for?
[12:22] <|trey|> guptan, bugzilla.ubuntu.com ... sign up, and click "new bug"
[12:22] <guptan> |trey|, thanks!
[12:22] <gen> |trey|, what's the /boot for
[12:23] <|trey|> gen, its an example of where in the fs you want to mount
[12:23] <gen> would i do that for a data slave drive
[12:23] <gen> just installed
[12:23] <|trey|> gen, can be /some/where/all/the/way/out/here/if/you/want... just an example  :)
[12:23] <guptan> gen, /boot typically holds ur boot files, GRUB and all
[12:24] <gen> so would i want a slava drive (that isnt running ubuntu, just holding data?)
[12:24] <gen> slave*
[12:24] <|trey|> gen, thats all its gonna hold anyways...
[12:24] <gen> so it's ok to put the /boot
[12:25] <|trey|> gen, umm, don't put anything there.
[12:25] <|trey|> gen, what do you want to mount?
[12:25] <gen> /dev/hdb
[12:25] <|trey|> gen, partition type?
[12:25] <gen> ext3
[12:26] <|trey|> gen, 'mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb /media/mystuff' mystuff has to already exist though.
[12:26] <gen> i just formatted and partitioned it, but it says 18 gig is used already, any idea why (qt parted is saying this)
[12:27] <rjjrjl> VERY new here,during final install a message "as root run etc/run/locate~ can't rite fast enough can somebody give me full command?
[12:27] <|trey|> rjjrjl, 'sudo updatedb'
[12:27] <GoldeNArX> hello all
[12:28] <gen> |trey|, can i just mount it on /
[12:28] <bpd1069> how do I renable the web administration fuctions of for cups?
[12:28] <|trey|> gen, wouldn't be very smart...
[12:28] <gen> ok
[12:28] <|trey|> bpd1069, the opposite of whatever you did to turn it off?
[12:28] <bpd1069> off by default
[12:29] <|trey|> bpd1069, :/  not familier really with cups... no printer here... trying to be funny, didn't work  :(
[12:29] <bpd1069> understood... just very frustrating going from one broken device to another...
[12:30] <GoldeNArX> question: what steps do I need to to take so I can share files on this linux box so they can be read from windows?
[12:30] <|trey|> GoldeNArX, you need to configure 'samba'
[12:30] <GoldeNArX> ok. how do I go about this?
[12:30] <gen> |trey|, k that worked but im still missing 18 gig, have any expererience with qtparted?
[12:31] <rjjrjl> thanks trey
[12:31] <|trey|> rjjrjl, takes a while huh  :(    is ran daily automatically though...
[12:33] <bpd1069> anyone know which app/script builds the /etc/cups/ppd.dat file upon installation?  I could not find it listed as a file installed with cups, so I am assuming it is being constructed at installation...
[12:33] <gen> |trey|
[12:33] <gen> how do you unmount
[12:33] <catdog> gen: umount
[12:34] <gen> says device is busy
[12:34] <bpd1069> umount -l
[12:34] <bpd1069> lazy
[12:34] <gen> ?
[12:34] <wfx> everyone must start
[12:34] <catdog> gen: make sure you have no terminals within the volume you are trying to umount
[12:35] <rjjrjl> didn't know if it was special or not. Actual problem is sound config. Ubuntu sounds are working but rythembox freezes solid used synaptic to install xmms but no sound
[12:35] <goonie> does anyone know how to get the Intel Pro/Wireless 2200BG netcard to work?
[12:35] <catdog> gen: (if in doubt, 'cd' to your home directory)
[12:35] <|trey|> gen, umount /where/you/mounted/it
[12:35] <joh> I've got unfixable broken packages, what do I do to remove the dpkg install queue?
[12:35] <|trey|> gen, note: no 'n'  ;)
[12:36] <wfx> rjjrjl: chekc if you use the right audio out in xmms oss,alsa,esd
[12:36] <jamaas> Help folks, I'm really stuck... we had a power failure here and when I shutdown and rebooted I've lost my gnome menu bars .... any idea how to restore them ?   Thanks
[12:36] <|QuaD-__> hey, here is a question , i tried qemu to emulate windows and it was uber slow, do you think it will be better with a linux distro?
[12:36] <gen> ok
[12:36] <gen> what file system should i use for a huge data drive?
[12:36] <gen> is ext3 fine?
[12:36] <|trey|> jamaas, *gasp* hoary at work?
[12:37] <mjg59> jamaas: If you're using Hoary, then that seems to be a known issue at the moment
[12:37] <mjg59> The same would have happened if you'd logged out and back in
[12:37] <jamaas> |trey|: I think it is warty, just the last stable release
[12:37] <bpd1069> gen: ext3 is my preferred for large partitions because of journaling....
[12:37] <catdog> gen: ah-ha: good question. Do you need windows to be able to see it natively?
[12:37] <gen> catdog, no
[12:38] <gen> is qtparted fine to do this with also?
[12:38] <catdog> gen: ext3 should be fine then, afaik
[12:38] <|trey|> bpd1069, bad reason... there are 3 such filesystems in the kernel  :/
[12:38] <joh> uhm, what do I do if I deleted /var/lib/dpkg/status?
[12:38] <gen> is qtparted to do this with, or somethign else i should use?
[12:38] <gen> something*
[12:39] <jamaas> mjg59: any ideas about how to restore menu bars?
[12:39] <|trey|> bpd1069, reiserfs = good for small files... xfs = good for large... jfs = never looked into... ext3 seems to do everything decently though  :/
[12:39] <mjg59> jamaas: Afraid not
[12:39] <magnuscanis> jamaas: do you mean the Gnome panel?
[12:39] <jamaas> mjg59: thanks, I've tried looking via google but no such luck there either
[12:40] <|trey|> bpd1069, and when I say "3", I really mean "4"
[12:40] <bpd1069> i understand the different fs..  ext3 seems to be the best for general use...
[12:40] <gen> ?
[12:40] <wfx> gen: maybe this help you to find the right one (all are good but not for all) http://fsbench.netnation.com/
[12:40] <gen> k
[12:41] <jamaas> magnuscanis: I guess so both the bars with all the icons to start programs are gone!  I did use them as hidden, i.e. out of sight until I roll the curser over them but now they are gone completely :(
[12:41] <|trey|> jamaas, rm -r ~/.gnome2/cd .gnome2/panel2.d  ... should regenerate with default settings...
[12:42] <magnuscanis> jamaas: I managed to accidentally delete the top panel the other day (2nd day with Ubuntu) but could restore it by right clicking on bottom panel and selecting New Panel.  Had to reconfigure it from scratch though.
[12:42] <|trey|> jamaas, ~/.gnome2/panel2.d  even, haha... selected too much in paste  :o
[12:42] <magnuscanis> still, gave me an opportunity to customise my top panel ;)
[12:43] <goonie> does anyone know how to get the Intel Pro/Wireless 2200BG netcard to work? should I use ndiswrapper?
[12:43] <jamaas> |trey|: thanks, at this stage I can cope with that ... will give it a try and let you know how it went ... thanks
[12:44] <jamaas> |trey|: sorry, now I'm confused ... nothing unusual, just the one file to rm ?
[12:46] <|trey|> jamaas, no, its a dir... hence the '-r', means recursive... removes dir's...
[12:46] <jamaas> |trey| so then rm -r /gnome2/panel2.d   should do it ?!
[12:46] <rjjrjl> Thanks trey, back when I get a real problem!!
[12:46] <|trey|> yes, after you log out of X and back in  :)
[12:47] <jamaas> oops now you have me doing it .gnome2/panel2.d
[12:47] <bpd1069> goonie: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/263627
[12:47] <|trey|> rjjrjl, ahh, didn't see Rhythmbox question... mp3 prob?
[12:47] <jazzka> hi
[12:48] <|QuaD-> is there nvidia drivers for 2.9.1
[12:48] <|QuaD-> for hoary
[12:48] <jazzka> is there any application to manage the services that are started at the ubuntu start?
[12:49] <padlefot> where is the XF86Config file for Ubuntu Hoary ?
[12:49] <jazzka> grafical or for console?
[12:49] <billytwowilly> /etc/X11
[12:49] <|trey|> jazzka, rcconf is nice... ncurses though...
[12:49] <rjjrjl> Rythmbox just locks up period. XMMS is now playing shoutcast streams just fine.
[12:49] <padlefot> billytwowilly, does it happen to be called XF86Config-4 ?
[12:50] <billytwowilly> padlefot, probably.
[12:50] <billytwowilly> maybe xconfig or something.
[12:50] <|trey|> padlefot, in hoary, its '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[12:50] <jazzka> |trey|, I cant find rcconf is that a program or what?
[12:50] <|trey|> jazzka, apt-get install rcconf
[12:51] <padlefot> |trey|: thanx there =9
[12:51] <padlefot> :)
[12:52] <spacey`ki> does someone here use the ubuntu cacti package?
[12:52] <Garathor> How can i mount a partition so that i can acess it with a regular user?
[12:53] <Quest-Master> Garathor: Is it a Windows partition?
[12:53] <catdog> Garathor, do you have it as an entry in /etc/fstab?
[12:53] <|trey|> Garathor, -o=user
[12:53] <jamaas> |trey
[12:53] <padlefot> if my screen resolutin doesnt work now, i dont know what ill do
[12:53] <|trey|> jamaa
[12:53] <jazzka> |trey|, rcconf is not in the repository ;)
[12:53] <catdog> Okay, one at a time :)
[12:53] <jamaas> |trey|: close but no cigar ... removed it and rebooted and still no console ....
[12:54] <gen> Ok, another stupid question. The drive i just mounted, well i'd to NOT have to have root privelages to write to it, how would i go about doing this?
[12:54] <gen> i'd like to*
[12:55] <Quest-Master> gen: Do this.
[12:55] <jcole> does this page look garbled to anyone else using print preview in firefox? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto
[12:55] <Quest-Master> gen: sudo gedit, and open up /etc/fstab.conf
[12:55] <|trey|> jamaas, huh? you wanted to fix the panel... no console?
[12:55] <Quest-Master> Then, add this entry in there
[12:55] <jamaas> |trey|: I'm not sure what I mean, the little bars at top and bottom of screen with all the goodies on them ...
[12:56] <Quest-Master> /dev/hdaX       /home/YOURUSERNAMEHERE/windows   vfat    user,rw,umask=000,dmask=000,fmask=000
[12:56] <Garathor> Yes, it is an NTFS partition. Where do i put the -i=user?
[12:56] <|trey|> jazzka, universe... "rcconf - Debian Runlevel configuration tool"
[12:56] <Garathor> -o
[12:56] <gen> quest, it's not a windows partition btw
[12:56] <Quest-Master> Ok
[12:56] <wfx> jcole: yes looks very strange i post a screenshot
[12:56] <Quest-Master> Where it says vfat, just put in the partition type instead
[12:56] <gen> what about the /home/yourusername etc
[12:56] <gen> is there where it is going to mount?
[12:57] <Quest-Master> And replace /home/YOURUSERNAMEHERE/windows with whatever folder you want all of the contents mounted to.
[12:57] <Quest-Master> Yes.
[12:57] <gen> awesome, thanks
[12:57] <Vigilanty> can anybody tell me why my fat32 partition that I just mounted isn't working properly?
[12:57] <bpd1069> anyone know how to reenable the web administration functions for cups?
[12:57] <magnuscanis> jamaas: certainly sounds like the panel to me :)
[12:57] <Quest-Master> Make sure you replace the x in /dev/hdax
[12:57] <catdog> Vigilanty: symptoms?
[12:57] <Quest-Master> With whatever number the partition is one.
[12:57] <Vigilanty> uhhh
[12:57] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Just explained it to gen. :) What problems are you having?
[12:58] <Vigilanty> well, I open the mount location, and everything is displaned as files.
[12:58] <jamaas> magnuscanis: thanks, I feel so misunderstood ... and I have a lot to do tongiht and can't get to the stuff ...
[12:58] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: sudo nautilus
[12:58] <Vigilanty> i click on one, and they just vanish
[12:58] <GoldeNArX> hmm..
[12:58] <GoldeNArX> i be having problems configuring samba
[12:58] <gen> quest, will this auto mount on boot
[12:58] <Quest-Master> Tell me if it works after you do that.
[12:58] <padlefot_> |trey|?
[12:58] <Quest-Master> gen: Yes.
[12:58] <Vigilanty> i try to open in Mozilla, and it doesn't work either.
[12:58] <gen> k be right back
[12:58] <|trey|> padlefot, ?
[12:58] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Did it work?
[12:59] <Vigilanty> what?
[12:59] <padlefot_> would you moind helping me out a bit?
[12:59] <Vigilanty> how do I use sudo nautilus?
[12:59] <Quest-Master> lol
[12:59] <Quest-Master> Go to the terminal,.
[12:59] <magnuscanis> jamaas: 'fraid I can't actually help with getting the panel back if the whole thing's disappeared.  I assume you've tried restarting the X server (IIRC that doesn't work in this case)
[12:59] <Quest-Master> *.
[12:59] <Quest-Master> And type it there.
[12:59] <|trey|> padlefot, sure  :)
[12:59] <Vigilanty> oh...
[12:59] <Vigilanty> duh
[12:59] <Garathor> Could you give me an example of a commandline to mount the partition so i can access it with a regular user?
[12:59] <Quest-Master> hehe, don't worry, you'll get used to it.
[01:00] <Quest-Master> Garathor: /dev/hda2       /home/qmaster/windows   vfat    user,rw,umask=000,dmask=000,fmask=000
[01:00] <jamaas> magnuscanis: is rebooted the whole machine, thats restarting x server isn't it?
[01:00] <Garathor> thankyou
[01:00] <|trey|> Garathor, 'mount -t fstype -o=user /dev/hda8 /mount
[01:00] <Quest-Master> Replace /dev/hda2 with where the partition is, and replace /home/qmaster/windows to the folder you wantit mounted it too.
[01:00] <jcole> gen: i've got a useful little mount script i wrote for myself for ubuntu, run it as root and it'll add your partitions - http://jcole.org/mount_all_drives.sh
[01:00] <Quest-Master> Also.
[01:00] <wfx> jcole: http://teg.sourceforge.net/trash/Screenshot.png
[01:00] <magnuscanis> jamaas: yes, rebooting would restart the X server (although you can also do it using ctrl-alt-backspace without a full system reboot)
[01:00] <Quest-Master> Garathor: Are you using NTFS?
[01:01] <Quest-Master> Garathor: Change the vfat to ntfs if you are
[01:01] <Vigilanty> still didn't work
[01:01] <jcole> wfx: yep, that's what i get
[01:01] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Did Nautilus come up?
[01:01] <bpd1069> jamass : does ps -A | grep panel       show you anything?  maybe its not running
[01:01] <jamaas> magnuscanis: any other thoughts?  perhaps I have to reinstall gnome or something?
[01:01] <Quest-Master> gen: Did it work?
[01:01] <Quest-Master> :)
[01:02] <gen> quest, it says wrong fs type, bad superblock, etc
[01:02] <Vigilanty> somethin did.
[01:02] <Quest-Master> gen: Weird.
[01:02] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Hold on one second, let me help gen out.
[01:02] <jcole> wfx: i wonder if that's a ubuntu/debian specific bug
[01:02] <Vigilanty> ok
[01:02] <Quest-Master> gen: are you using FAT32?
[01:02] <gen> xfs
[01:02] <magnuscanis> jamaas: I'm sure you don't need to reinstall Gnome.
[01:02] <Quest-Master> Ah.
[01:02] <Quest-Master> Change it to that then. :)
[01:02] <gen> i did
[01:03] <Garathor> It is NTFS, but do i really have to specify what type of partition it is?
[01:03] <Quest-Master> And it still didn't work?
[01:03] <gen> is the following
[01:03] <jamaas> bpd1069: will check and let you know
[01:03] <gen> /dev/hdb1       /media/big xfs user,rw,umask=000,dmask=000,fmask=000
[01:03] <gen> and doesn't work
[01:03] <jcole> gen: unmount your extra drives and try that script i gave you
[01:03] <Quest-Master> Ok
[01:03] <jamaas> bpd1069: no nothing, returns to prompt
[01:03] <Quest-Master> Garathor: Yes
[01:03] <bpd1069> try: gnome-panel
[01:03] <jcole> gen: vi /etc/fstab if you want to modify any extras
[01:03] <gen> jcole, which script?
[01:03] <bpd1069> hehe
[01:03] <gen> im in fstab jcole
[01:03] <bpd1069> It's not running therefor no panels..
[01:03] <Quest-Master> Garathor: Change that line to how it should be otherwise it won't work
[01:04] <jcole> gen: http://jcole.org/mount_all_drives.sh
[01:04] <|QuaD-> how do i make a folder into a tar.gz file?
[01:04] <socomm> s/pseudoname/pseudonym
[01:04] <jamaas> bpd1069: will do, stand by!
[01:04] <wfx> jcole: no i think a wrong css for media print
[01:04] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Once you sudo nautilus, go the folder where your stuff was mounted
[01:04] <Garathor> I have mounted a NTFS partition right now, and i didn't specify anything. Just mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/drive
[01:04] <Vigilanty> i already had it mounted.
[01:04] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Yeah. Go to the folder where it was mounted.
[01:04] <jcole> gen: umount all youe extra drives 1st
[01:04] <jamaas> bpd1069: still nothing
[01:05] <gen> jcole, how/why
[01:05] <Quest-Master> Garathor: I know, you need to make it automatic though, right?
[01:05] <Vigilanty> still the same dude.
[01:05] <Quest-Master> Man this channel is busy.
[01:05] <jcole> gen: if the drive is already mounted, that script won't mount it again
[01:05] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: What command did you type in to mount the drive?
[01:05] <gen> the drive isn't mounted
[01:05] <miffe> is it a good idea to install debian unstable debs onto ubuntu hoary?
[01:05] <ACID|net> how do u all pick your internet handle??
[01:05] <bpd1069> jamass: not sure why gnome-panel is not running...  but atleast I think the problem is a bit more upstream
[01:05] <Vigilanty> mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /home/yadayadayada...
[01:05] <gen> i was asking how to get it to mount from boot, im in the fstab file
[01:06] <gen> and to be able to write with non root priv
[01:06] <jcole> gen: run that script dude
[01:06] <jamaas> bpd1069: I would agree, without a padel or a canoe .... if you get my drift
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Is the filesystem for your partition FAT32?
[01:06] <Vigilanty> yes
[01:06] <gen> what does the script do
[01:06] <Vigilanty> i converted it from NTFS
[01:06] <bpd1069> jamass: yes I do...
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Go to the terminal and type in sudo gedit
[01:06] <jcole> gen: any user will be able to mount and partition, and you can have it mount at boot if you want
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Tell me once you're there.
[01:06] <Vigilanty> should I unmount first?
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Nope.
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Doesn't matter.
[01:06] <Vigilanty> k
[01:07] <wfx> jcole: and a wrong xhtml -> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubuntulinux.org%2Fwiki%2FKernelHowto
[01:07] <Quest-Master> There?
[01:07] <jcole> oops s/and partition/that partition
[01:07] <Vigilanty> there
[01:07] <magnuscanis> jamaas: I hope you manage to get your Gnome panel problem sorted.  I'm off to bed now...
[01:07] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Open up this file /etc/fstab.conf
[01:08] <jcole> wfx: heh, nice detective work
[01:08] <jamaas> magnuscanis: thanks for your help and suggestions, have some sleep for me too, I may not be getting much tonight ... !  ;)
[01:08] <goonie> does anyone know how to get the Intel Pro/Wireless 2200BG netcard to work? should I use ndiswrapper?
[01:08] <bpd1069> jamass":  if you do choose to attempt a reinstall it is a seperate package...  apt-get install gnome-panel     should suffice
[01:08] <wfx> jcole: css looks ok maybe a designe bug
[01:08] <Vigilanty> i can't
[01:08] <bpd1069> goonie: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/263627
[01:08] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Why?
[01:08] <Vigilanty> Could not find the file "/etc/fstab.conf".
[01:08] <Vigilanty> Please, check that you typed the location correctly and try again.
[01:08] <gen> jcole, doesn't show up on desktop, but the folder did pop up
[01:08] <gen> why would that be
[01:09] <Quest-Master> Ack
[01:09] <Quest-Master> Take off the .conf
[01:09] <Vigilanty> o
[01:09] <Quest-Master> /etc/fstab, my bad, sorry.
[01:09] <Quest-Master> :P
[01:09] <goonie> bpd1069:thx
[01:09] <bpd1069> np
[01:09] <jcole> any ubuntulinux.org site admins around?
[01:09] <socomm> Vigilanty: Try using bash's TAB completion.
[01:09] <gen> jcole, ..
[01:09] <Vigilanty> bash's TAB completion?
[01:09] <ACID|net> how do u all pick your internet handle??
[01:09] <Quest-Master> No idea what that is.
[01:09] <Quest-Master> Anyhow.
[01:10] <socomm> Vigilanty: Forget it.
[01:10] <Quest-Master> Did you get in Vigilanty?
[01:10] <ACID|net> I want a new nick and domain name - name for my network
[01:10] <Vigilanty> I've opened /etc/fstab
[01:10] <jcole> gen: sort our icons, it might be under another icon... also, go to Computer->Disks
[01:10] <Vigilanty> now what?
[01:10] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Add this entry towards the top of your fstab, after proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[01:10] <gen> yeah ok it mounts and all, but i still cant write to it without being root
[01:11] <miffe> gen, -o fmask=111,dmask=000
[01:11] <Vigilanty> that line's already there.
[01:11] <notsure> ok... i guess no one here has any experience with cups...   very frustrating not being able to USE my computer for work...  will downgrade to a non-ubuntu package...
[01:11] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: /dev/hda2       /home/qmaster/windows   vfat    user,rw,umask=000,dmask=000,fmask=000        0        0
[01:11] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: lol
[01:11] <Quest-Master> I know, add that after that line
[01:12] <Vigilanty> o
[01:12] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Then, edit /dev/hda2 to /dev/hda5
[01:12] <gen> miffe, need a tad more info
[01:12] <jamaas> bpd1069: good idea batman, done, now how do I restart this beast without shutting down ?
[01:12] <wfx> time to sleep have all a nice day
[01:12] <Vigilanty> so, add /proc           proc    defaults        0       0 again?
[01:12] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Go in to your directory (/home/yourusername) and make a folder called windows there.
[01:12] <Quest-Master> No
[01:12] <Quest-Master> Don't
[01:12] <Quest-Master> Just add that /dev/hda5 entry I showed you after that
[01:12] <bpd1069> jamass: logout--login
[01:13] <jamaas> I hear ya, back in a moment ... one hopes!
[01:13] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Then, change the /home/qmaster/windows to /home/YOURUSERNAMEHERE/windows
[01:13] <Quest-Master> So, it should end up looking like:
[01:13] <Quest-Master> /dev/hda5       /home/YOURUSERNAMEHERE/windows   vfat    user,rw,umask=000,dmask=000,fmask=000        0        0
[01:13] <Vigilanty> k
[01:13] <Vigilanty> done
[01:13] <Quest-Master> Of course, change the YOURUSERNAMEHERE to your username.
[01:14] <Vigilanty> yeah
[01:14] <Vigilanty> now save?
[01:14] <leonel> any Idea  about  how many  ubuntu cds  have been  given ?
[01:14] <jcole> miffe: gen is trying to write to an xfs partition (not vfat) .. he needs to create a directory that 'gen' owns so he can r/w to it...
[01:14] <Quest-Master> Make sure /home/YOURUSERNAMEHERE/windows exists.
[01:14] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Got it all done? Save it and reboot.
[01:14] <jcole> gen: am i correct? is it xfs?
[01:14] <Quest-Master> gen: Are you still having problems?
[01:15] <Vigilanty> save and rebooting...
[01:16] <Vigilanty> brb
[01:16] <GoldeNArX> ok.. i got samba working. but i'm having problems with a share.  I want to share /mnt/ext3
[01:16] <ACID|net> :( noone is listening to me
[01:16] <socomm> I detest neophytes. X^(
[01:17] <catdog> ACID|net: everyone is listening, just don't know what to say.
[01:17] <socomm> ACID|net: Repeat your question.
[01:18] <ACID|net> how do u all pick your internet handle??  I want a new nick (not ACID|net) and domain name/name for my internal network.........needs a domain name so i can VPN into it from uni and elsewhere etc
[01:19] <socomm> ACID|net: Usually people pick their pseudonyms to reflect their interests, or hobbies.
[01:20] <jamaas> bpd1069: Hey mate, I'm back with both panels   and in the same place as they were originally, what a magician!  Thanks a bunch
[01:20] <socomm> Sort of like MonkeyKing, or 1337_h4x0r. Something like that.
[01:21] <ACID|net> socomm: I dont have any hobbies or interests but computers
[01:21] <socomm> ACID|net: I like your nick, it's not too bad.
[01:21] <GoldeNArX> anyone here good with samba?
[01:21] <Vigilanty> f***in sweet dude...
[01:21] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: don't ask to ask...just ask
[01:21] <Vigilanty> it worked.
[01:21] <Vigilanty> now.
[01:22] <Vigilanty> Thanks a million dude.
[01:22] <GoldeNArX> ok.. i got samba working. but i'm having problems with a share.  I want to share /mnt/ext3
[01:22] <miffe> GoldeNArX, install swat
[01:22] <ACID|net> socomm: Thanks :)
[01:22] <GoldeNArX> miffe: swat?
[01:22] <miffe> swat - Samba Web Administration Tool
[01:22] <Vigilanty> now, I need help with a few applications...
[01:22] <ACID|net> hmmmm, need to think of a nick for my network,  unless i just use a subdomain of my main domain
[01:23] <socomm> ACID|net: Anyhow to set your domain name you can set it under /etc/hosts
[01:23] <Vigilanty> anybody know of any good debian ftp sites?
[01:23] <james> GNOME 2.8.2 has been released: would this get into Warty as updates, or is Warty frozen?
[01:24] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Did it work?
[01:24] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: Oh, never mind
[01:24] <Quest-Master> :)
[01:24] <arthur> hey, any1 here knows how I remove the "arrow emblem" from an symlink folder ( in gnome, of course) ?
[01:24] <Vigilanty> yeah
[01:24] <catdog> james: warty id frozen
[01:24] <Quest-Master> Glad it worked.. took me a while to get it working myself when I started
[01:24] <socomm> james: How? Pray. Or compile it yourself.
[01:24] <Vigilanty> i've been messin with it for a while now.
[01:25] <Vigilanty> now, i need to be able to use the stuff...  lol
[01:25] <Vigilanty> I need apps...
[01:25] <Quest-Master> What do you need?
[01:25] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu has everything. :)
[01:25] <Vigilanty> mp3 player
[01:25] <Vigilanty> wma player
[01:25] <Quest-Master> Ok.
[01:25] <Vigilanty> mpeg2 decoder
[01:25] <Vigilanty> divx decoder
[01:25] <Quest-Master> Go to the terminal.
[01:25] <socomm> Someone fscked with the topic, eh?
[01:25] <scizzo> Vigilanty: look in the wiki for RestrictedFormats
[01:25] <Quest-Master> Yes, I can cover all of these for you. :)
[01:25] <scizzo> or codecs
[01:25] <Quest-Master> Do what scizzo said first.
[01:26] <Vigilanty> I've already seen restricted formats...
[01:26] <Vigilanty> I know that there
[01:26] <Quest-Master> Vigilanty: PM me and I'll name you the apps. I use.
[01:26] <Vigilanty> I know that there's a way to make em work though.
[01:26] <Vigilanty> ok
[01:26] <catdog> Vigilanty: Sounds like a job for... mplayer :) http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[01:26] <arthur> any1?
[01:26] <Quest-Master> I wouldn't advise mplayer
[01:27] <Quest-Master> It broke my apt-get.. but it seems to work for everyone else
[01:27] <ACID|net> anyone here know much about ZoneEdit??
[01:27] <scizzo> everything depends on what it should be used for
[01:27] <ACID|net> or DynDNS - how do they compare?
[01:27] <socomm> Quest-Master: You ever consider compiling mplayer manually?
[01:27] <scizzo> video or just listen to
[01:28] <billytwowilly> I have a GPL question.
[01:28] <scizzo> ACID|net: I use DynDNS
[01:28] <billytwowilly> anyone up on the GPL?
[01:28] <Quest-Master> socomm: Totem-Xine works fine for me
[01:28] <mjr> billytwowilly, just ask
[01:28] <socomm> billytwowilly: I've read it a couple of times.
[01:29] <ACID|net> scizzo: they any good??
[01:29] <scizzo> ACID|net: it works
[01:29] <miffe> ACID|net, i use no-ip.org it works good
[01:29] <billytwowilly> is sveasoft's business model legal under the GPL? You pay 20 dollars for a year's worth of downloading firmware and support, but if you take advantage of your rights under the GPL and redistribute the source or the binaries you get cut off.
[01:30] <mjr> interesting question
[01:30] <Garoboldy> greetings everyone
[01:30] <billytwowilly> so essentially the GPL is being limited by this other licence deal.
[01:30] <Garoboldy> over from Beatrix. hoping someone has used terminal here
[01:30] <socomm> billytwowilly: Depends on the contract you sign with them. There's nothing in GPL about that.
[01:30] <Garoboldy> or at least knows some commands
[01:30] <|trey|> billytwowilly, that stimulation isn't technically, no...
[01:30] <Garoboldy> need to setup dhcp from terminal and not the gui
[01:30] <mjr> technically, they'd not be restricting your rights under the gpl, "merely" deciding on what they want to do with you depending on what you do...
[01:31] <GoldeNArX> ok.. you cant just download swat seperately. its built into samba
[01:31] <scizzo> Garoboldy: /etc/network/
[01:31] <scizzo> Garoboldy: there is a bunch of files there
[01:31] <GoldeNArX> how do I know if the samba I have installed has swat built in?
[01:31] <Garoboldy> ok
[01:31] <billytwowilly> I'd argue it limits your rights under the GPL. If you practice your rights you lose the remainder of your 20 dollars worth of support and downloads.
[01:31] <Garoboldy> I see the files
[01:32] <scizzo> Garoboldy: /etc/network/interfaces is the place you should look at first
[01:32] <scizzo> Garoboldy: tell the interface to use the dhcp
[01:32] <nomasteryoda> GoldeNArX, type http://localhost:901 in konqueror
[01:32] <Garoboldy> it wont let me into interfaces
[01:32] <|trey|> nomasteryoda, in konq? haha.
[01:32] <GoldeNArX> konqueror?
[01:33] <scizzo> Garoboldy: use sudo
[01:33] <scizzo> Garoboldy: hold on a sec.....are we talking about ubuntu now?
[01:33] <|trey|> nomasteryoda, should state supported software for others...
[01:33] <scizzo> Garoboldy: in that case sudo vim /etc/network/interfaces
[01:33] <Garoboldy> no I am booted in beatrix gui, see I need to boot into text mode but cant figure out how..so I am trying to setup the network within terminal
[01:33] <nomasteryoda> oh yea, i set it up when i installed kde on hoary
[01:33] <nomasteryoda> lol
[01:33] <socomm> billytwowilly: What's to stop you from redistributing binaries and source after your contract is up?
[01:34] <billytwowilly> socomm, The fact that you won't ever be able to subscribe to sveasoft again.
[01:34] <GoldeNArX> nomasteryoda, konqueror?>
[01:34] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[01:34] <miffe> GoldeNArX, apt-get install swat, then uncomment it from /etc/inetd.conf and restart inetd
[01:34] <nomasteryoda> GoldeNArX, try
[01:34] <nomasteryoda> which swat
[01:34] <miffe> GoldeNArX, konqueror is the KDE webbrowser, firefox works just as good
[01:34] <Garoboldy> see its saying sudo vim command not found
[01:34] <nomasteryoda> yea
[01:34] <billytwowilly> I wish I had money. I'm pretty sure sveasoft is breaking the law.
[01:35] <billytwowilly> anyhoo, gotta go study.
[01:35] <nomasteryoda> billytwowilly, yea they are
[01:35] <scizzo> Garoboldy: well there is a big difference
[01:35] <nomasteryoda> but i found their firmware on net anyway
[01:35] <nomasteryoda> ;)
[01:35] <scizzo> Garoboldy: you are asking questions about beatrix in a ubuntu channel
[01:35] <GoldeNArX> miffe: couldnt find package swat
[01:35] <scizzo> Garoboldy: which means it is hard to know...
[01:35] <scizzo> Garoboldy: you need to be root to configure the network
[01:36] <Garoboldy> yeah I am in beatrix and have been for awhile..but the people there have no idea.
[01:36] <miffe> it's in universe
[01:36] <Garoboldy> I guess I just need to itsall ubuntu
[01:36] <nomasteryoda> GoldeNArX, try sudo which swat
[01:36] <socomm> What is beatrix?
[01:36] <scizzo> Garoboldy: could you try to use root and configure the network with that user?
[01:36] <GoldeNArX> nomasteryoda, I did use sudo
[01:36] <nomasteryoda> ok
[01:36] <miffe> GoldeNArX, im running hoary, maybe it's not in warty
[01:36] <Garoboldy> livecd distro that can install to HD
[01:36] <Garoboldy> ok let me try
[01:37] <GoldeNArX> should I just go download the latest version of samba? and for what distro should I download it for as ubuntu isnt in there
[01:37] <socomm> GoldeNArX: Debian.
[01:37] <socomm> GoldeNArX: Ubuntu ~= Debian Unstable.
[01:37] <Garoboldy> no its not letting in as root
[01:37] <Garoboldy> great
[01:38] <Garoboldy> this is getting to be a crappy night
[01:38] <scizzo> Garoboldy: well I don't know anything about beatrix...
[01:38] <mjr> isn't it more like testing though?
[01:38] <Garoboldy> alright. I appreciate the information though
[01:38] <Garoboldy> i will come back if I install Ubuntu and need help lol
[01:38] <GoldeNArX> socomm, 2 options dists / samba3
[01:38] <scizzo> Garoboldy: is it a live cd?
[01:39] <scizzo> Garoboldy: if that is the case I guess there is something else to look for
[01:39] <Garoboldy> it was, but I istalled to HD.
[01:39] <scizzo> ok
[01:39] <socomm> GoldeNArX: Dunno, I have no use for samba ... sorry.
[01:39] <scizzo> Garoboldy: well have you tried some other editor?
[01:39] <Garoboldy> what are the sys requirements for ubuntu. running an old 233mmx with 64mbRAM.
[01:39] <scizzo> Garoboldy: like vi, nano, joe?
[01:40] <GoldeNArX> i'm so lost
[01:41] <miffe> GoldeNArX, why?
[01:41] <GoldeNArX> well. not sure what to do from here
[01:42] <miffe> can't you just apt-get install samba?
[01:42] <GoldeNArX> samba is already installed
[01:42] <Quest-Master> I have managed to convert so many people into Ubuntu already.. :D
[01:42] <natty> hi everyone!I've got 1 pc with a wireless network card, and I'm getting another PC tomorrow,also with wireless.i've installed ndiswrapper and got the wlan0 device,but how can i setup an ad-hoc network?
[01:42] <miffe> and swat?
[01:42] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: could you just add the directory? I mean as normal?
[01:43] <scizzo> [sharing] 
[01:43] <scizzo> comment=Sharing Directory
[01:43] <scizzo> path=/root/sharing/
[01:43] <scizzo> public=yes
[01:43] <scizzo> only guest=yes
[01:43] <scizzo> writable=yes
[01:43] <scizzo> read only=no
[01:43] <scizzo> something like that?
[01:43] <scizzo> well don't use gues instead use the users you can add to samba
[01:44] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: ?
[01:44] <GoldeNArX> ######## File sharing ########
[01:44] <GoldeNArX> # Name mangling options
[01:44] <GoldeNArX>     preserve case = yes
[01:44] <GoldeNArX>     short preserve case = yes
[01:44] <GoldeNArX> is that were that would go?
[01:44] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: ????
[01:44] <miffe> put it at the end of the file
[01:45] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: have you..._ever_ configured samba?
[01:45] <GoldeNArX> never
[01:45] <GoldeNArX> infact this is my second day with linux :)
[01:45] <nomasteryoda> super
[01:45] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: aaa....that explains a lot
[01:45] <nomasteryoda> so you survived day one
[01:45] <GoldeNArX> hehe.. sorry I should have stated that
[01:45] <natty> anyone, any ideas?
[01:46] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: you should really look at the configuration provided by samba and then look at www.samba.org to find out some more information
[01:46] <GoldeNArX> hell ya. tonights task was configuring samba and configuring an ftp server
[01:46] <siimo> i read on the forum that xchat-gnome will replace xchat is this true? will plain xchat still be available ?
[01:46] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: samba is a big thing and is hard to explain in many cases
[01:46] <GoldeNArX> miffe: put what at the end of the file?
[01:47] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: ooo...trust me...you won't learn samba in a day
[01:47] <catdog> Samba's a bitch :)
[01:47] <GoldeNArX> well.  I only need it for the 1 tast which is to share this drive so my main machine can read/write to the drive
[01:48] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: ummm...one disk or 200 disks...
[01:48] <miffe> Garoboldy, that scizzo wrote
[01:48] <siimo> can someone please comment about this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6078 ??
[01:48] <GoldeNArX> sizzo: I just want to share 1 hard drive. (mnt/ext3)
[01:48] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: look at the example I gave you before then
[01:48] <rick_> Does synaptic mplayer play wma out of the box??
[01:49] <scizzo> or look at the configuration and you should see some examples
[01:49] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: when it comes to linux...you need to read a lot in the beginning...
[01:49] <GoldeNArX> yeah. i've been doing that
[01:49] <scizzo> ok....hold on then
[01:49] <GoldeNArX> the example you gave me. does it matter were I put that in the file?
[01:50] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: look at the end of the samba configuration
[01:50] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: is there examples there with shares and so on?
[01:50] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: home directories and so on
[01:51] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: there should be examples there anyway
[01:51] <GoldeNArX> no. tho samba is working because I can browse something on this machine from windws. just not what I want
[01:51] <adoy|ubuntu> ok, so now i'm on the ubuntu laptop too
[01:51] <adoy|ubuntu> instead of suse
[01:52] <adoy|ubuntu> let me find my samba
[01:52] <catdog> GoldeNarX: have a look at /etc/samba/smb.conf There should be a few examples of typical configurations which you can use as a base for what you want.
[01:52] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: thats really weird
[01:52] <GoldeNArX> #[01:52] <GoldeNArX> wins support = no
[01:52] <GoldeNArX> [homes] 
[01:52] <GoldeNArX>    comment = Home Directories
[01:52] <GoldeNArX>    browseable = yes
[01:52] <GoldeNArX> is that what i'm looking for?
[01:53] <scizzo> yes
[01:53] <adoy|ubuntu> GoldeNArX, did you try installing it using synaptic
[01:53] <GoldeNArX> no. i used apt
[01:53] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: try this once and then restart samba ok?
[01:53] <scizzo> [ext3] 
[01:53] <scizzo> comment= My disk share
[01:54] <scizzo> browseable = ye
[01:54] <scizzo> sorry
[01:54] <scizzo> browseable = yes
[01:54] <scizzo> or something like that
[01:54] <GoldeNArX> ok
[01:54] <scizzo> then run: sudo /etc/init.d/smbd restart
[01:54] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: then try to reconnect to the machine again
[01:56] <siimo> i read on the forum that xchat-gnome will replace xchat is this true? will plain xchat still be available ?
[01:56] <scizzo> siimo: what forum?
[01:57] <siimo> scizzo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6078 ??
[01:57] <siimo> thought theres only 1 forum
[01:57] <GoldeNArX> scizzo: that reset command no works
[01:57] <scizzo> siimo: there is more then one forum on the web.. :)
[01:58] <siimo> well ubuntu decisions will be on ubuntuforums
[01:58] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: well look for the correct init name
[02:00] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: I am not using samba at the moment so can't say what the correct init name is
[02:00] <scizzo> but the service should be listed there
[02:00] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: samba restart maybe?
[02:00] <GoldeNArX> etc/init.d $ sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[02:00] <GoldeNArX> that worked
[02:00] <GoldeNArX> brb
[02:00] <scizzo> ok
[02:00] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: try to access it with the machine you want
[02:01] <scizzo> siimo: well....xchat does not seem to be the same project as xchat-gnome...
[02:02] <siimo> scizzo, xchat-gnome simply adds its own patches to xchat code so its based on xchat anyway
[02:03] <scizzo> siimo: well I am not sure but it seems to have to go Debian -> Ubuntu
[02:03] <scizzo> or something
[02:03] <scizzo> not sure
[02:03] <scizzo> siimo: tried to add a thread and ask? :)
[02:03] <siimo> scizzo, i dont think xchat will be replaced in debian
[02:04] <scizzo> siimo: anything is possible.. :)
[02:04] <siimo> well it will take a few years in debian
[02:05] <scizzo> hehe
[02:07] <GoldeNArX> scizzo
[02:07] <GoldeNArX> yes
[02:07] <sayao> hi
[02:07] <GoldeNArX> lemme show
[02:07] <sayao> does ubuntu works fine with those transmeta crusoe processors?
[02:08] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: yes?
[02:08] <mjr> one would think so, don't they look like usual x86s to the OS?
[02:08] <GoldeNArX> wins support = no
[02:08] <GoldeNArX> [homes] 
[02:08] <GoldeNArX>    comment = Home Directories
[02:08] <GoldeNArX>    browseable = yes
[02:08] <GoldeNArX> [ext3] 
[02:08] <GoldeNArX>    comment = Archive Drive
[02:08] <GoldeNArX>    path = /mnt/ext3
[02:08] <GoldeNArX>    browseable = yes
[02:08] <GoldeNArX>    writable = yes
[02:08] <sayao> mjr, i think they do, but not sure :)
[02:09] <GoldeNArX> thanx for yoru help scizzo :)
[02:09] <GotD0t> sayao: if windows can run on them then im fairly certain that ubuntu will ;-)
[02:09] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: it works?
[02:09] <mjr> mmh, yes, what GotD0t said :)
[02:09] <GoldeNArX> scizzo: yep. very well
[02:09] <bpd1069> sayao: they follow the x86 arch, so it should work fine... not possible to run on the internal cpu in native mode as far as I know
[02:09] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: next start to read the www.samba.org information they have on the site...
[02:10] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: :)
[02:10] <GoldeNArX> now b4 you go. recommend the best FTP server proggy for linux
[02:10] <sayao> well, the linux kernel has some specific code for crusoe, thats why i asked :)
[02:10] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: that depends
[02:10] <GoldeNArX> on?
[02:10] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: if you want the normal users on the system to have ftp access or if you want to add them to some sort of database?
[02:11] <sayao> must be some optimizations or something, because it has specific code for all other processors hehe
[02:11] <bpd1069> well since Linux worked for Transmeta, I am sure the kernel is fine   : )
[02:11] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: everything depends on how you want the users to be handled
[02:11] <bpd1069> err Linus
[02:11] <GoldeNArX> I can add them
[02:11] <GoldeNArX> I want it to do basically everything g6 did :)
[02:11] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: you need to look at what fits you the best
[02:12] <GoldeNArX> ya.
[02:12] <GoldeNArX> i'll hafta investigate
[02:12] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: proftpd, vsftpd etc
[02:12] <GoldeNArX> hope they have gui
[02:12] <GoldeNArX> :P
[02:12] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: no
[02:13] <GoldeNArX> haha
[02:13] <GoldeNArX> yikes
[02:13] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: why do you need gui if the configuration files are easy?
[02:13] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: or if you can operate them using a normal terminal
[02:13] <scizzo> log in to them and administrating them
[02:13] <GoldeNArX> yea..
[02:13] <scizzo> you don't need a gui for a ftp server...its horrible
[02:14] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: glftpd is also a known ftp server thingy....but I would never use it... :P
[02:14] <GoldeNArX> ok
[02:15] <GoldeNArX> what command will start samba for me? and what do I do if I want samba to start on starup
[02:15] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: it will start at startup...
[02:15] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: it should anyway
[02:15] <GoldeNArX> ok
[02:16] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: if you want to start, stop or restart it...use sudo /etc/init.d/samba <option>
[02:16] <GoldeNArX> i feel foolish. I dont even know how to install a program in linux
[02:16] <GoldeNArX> like if I download vsftpd
[02:16] <GoldeNArX> wouldnt know how to install it
[02:16] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: unpack and read the INSTALL and README
[02:16] <GotD0t> GoldeNArX: you can't expect to jump into an OS and automatically know how to everything
[02:17] <dataw0lf> eh, take it outside the channel
[02:17] <scizzo> sayao: information over flooded
[02:17] <scizzo> sayao: :P
[02:17] <sayao> :)
[02:17] <GoldeNArX> ya. it takes 20 days to form a habit :)
[02:17] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: I think you should start to look at securing the samba stuff up a little
[02:17] <GotD0t> err... how to do everything*
[02:18] <GoldeNArX> yeah. thats what i'm gonna do now
[02:18] <scizzo> GoldeNArX: try to read what the different ftp server does..then from that information determine which one fits you the best
[02:18] <scizzo> time for some sleep
[02:18] <scizzo> night...
[02:19] <GoldeNArX> thxz
[02:19] <scizzo> np
[02:19] <bpd1069> GoldeNArX: I suggest looking through the APT-howto...  very useful information and can save you alot of grief and keep your systems installation clean and working
[02:20] <mojo> I need some help here
[02:21] <dataw0lf> most people do.
[02:21] <dataw0lf> take some valiums, you'll be fine.
[02:21] <sayao> yeah, life is good
[02:21] <mojo> how to remove the Open With.. entries? I have 2 Helix Player entries, but I can't remove them, the Remove button is disabled
[02:21] <GotD0t> mojo: whats your major malfunction?
[02:21] <GotD0t> hmn
[02:21] <GotD0t> hmm*
[02:21] <dataw0lf> do you have two versions installed?
[02:21] <mojo> do u know what cfg file to change mimetype open program?
[02:22] <mojo> yes, one is bin type and other is debian
[02:22] <mojo> now I just removed bin version
[02:22] <mojo> but the Helix Player entry is still there, not deleted yet
[02:23] <mojo> ....tough question heh?
[02:23] <GotD0t> mojo: you could always search your computer for any file that contains the word Helix ;-)
[02:24] <GotD0t> mojo: that was sorta a joke, but it prob will work
[02:24] <mojo> please show me the command
[02:24] <crevette> mojo: you have the search tool
[02:24] <mojo> I don't know how to use 'grep' and ls
[02:24] <GotD0t> mojo: you can do it through the gnome search tool
[02:24] <mojo> oh
[02:24] <sayao> he probably doesnt want to edit a big xml file
[02:24] <mojo> let me try
[02:25] <mojo> excuse me
[02:25] <mojo> in search tool
[02:25] <GotD0t> mojo: note, if you have any windows parititions i highly recommend that you unmount them before searching
[02:25] <mojo> what do I type for the file name
[02:25] <sayao> mojo: right click the file, and then choose properties
[02:25] <crevette> mojo: nothing
[02:25] <sayao> mojo, then go to the "Open with" tab
[02:25] <mojo> do I use '*.*'?
[02:25] <mojo> oh
[02:26] <sayao> mojo, select helix player and click remove
[02:26] <mojo> sayao: I know what u mean, but my eintries can't be deleted, the Remove button is disabled
[02:26] <GotD0t> sayao: he said he cant click remove, which is understandable because i believe by default remove is disabled for entrys not manually added
[02:26] <crevette> sayao: He can't
[02:26] <sayao> humm
[02:26] <mojo> I think
[02:26] <mojo> in the next version
[02:27] <mojo> GNOME should resolve this issue
[02:27] <GotD0t> sayao: like i have two xmms entries for opening mp3 files, one i can remove (which i added to use a specific command) and the other i cant
[02:27] <sayao> maybe its a permission problem
[02:27] <sayao> try it with sudo nautilus
[02:27] <mojo> I'm still searching for files contains Helix word
[02:27] <mojo> sayao: I did, it won't butch
[02:30] <rushibhai> hoary problem guys. firefox fonts 'leak color' on LCD panel.
[02:34] <BlacKnight|> hallo
[02:34] <zenpod> fnord.
[02:39] <BlacKnight|> hrmmm
[02:39] <zenpod> mmmmmmmmh.
[02:39] <BlacKnight|> for some reason kde apps don't dock in gnome
[02:39] <zenpod> probably because they're KDE apps?
[02:39] <BlacKnight|> what gnome apps are there that place an icon in the dock?
[02:39] <BlacKnight|> yeah, but aren't the two intercompatible
[02:39] <zenpod> BlacKnight|, GAIM
[02:39] <zenpod> BlacKnight|, only if the programmer is nice.
[02:41] <dirtydawg> if I want to create a root access account
[02:41] <baluba> night
[02:41] <BlacKnight|> for some reason gnome isn't docking either
[02:41] <GoldeNArX> I dont want to have to use sudo all the time
[02:41] <abah> how to mount a usb mass storage in ubuntu... its seem no /dev/sda1 in the system..
[02:41] <zenpod> BlacKnight|, gaim isn't docking in gnome either?
[02:41] <zenpod> abah, what's the filesystem?
[02:41] <abah> ext3
[02:42] <sayao> BlacKnight|, do you have the dock applet on the panel?
[02:42] <BlacKnight|> how do i add it?
[02:42] <BlacKnight|> i must have removed it somehow :P
[02:42] <abah> i tried mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[02:42] <zenpod> abah, erm.  Heh, no idea about that.. I know FAT32 automounts nicely
[02:42] <sayao> BlacKnight|, right click the panel and choose Add..
[02:42] <BlacKnight|> yep
[02:42] <sayao> Add to panel
[02:42] <abah>  /dev/sda1 does not exist..
[02:43] <BlacKnight|> and then?
[02:43] <sayao> then choose notification area
[02:43] <GoldeNArX> how do I create a root account?
[02:43] <sayao> and click add
[02:43] <BlacKnight|> ok it's there
[02:43] <zenpod> GoldeNArX, goto terminal, sudo passwd root, I think
[02:43] <abah> root acct created by default...
[02:43] <sayao> BlacKnight|, restart the application that is supposed to go in the notification area
[02:44] <BlacKnight|> gaim.. just did.. still isnt' happening
[02:44] <GoldeNArX> oki
[02:44] <sayao> you have to change the gaim preferences
[02:44] <GoldeNArX> brb
[02:44] <BlacKnight|> sayao: they're setup right
[02:44] <BlacKnight|> it worked yesterday...
[02:44] <BlacKnight|> maybe i should restart gnome
[02:44] <sayao> yeah, try it :)
[02:46] <Verus> Hi. Anyone able to give me a hand?
[02:47] <sayao> Verus, i will not masturbate you
[02:47] <Verus> <whipes the sweat from his forhead> I'm relieved.
[02:48] <BlacKnight|> oh ok i need to lock the notification area
[02:48] <BlacKnight|> but kde apps still won't dock in it!
[02:48] <Verus> I downloaded the  warty-release-install-i386.iso and cant make it bootable. I'm not sure what im doing wrong.
[02:49] <Quest-Master> Verus: Check your BIOS
[02:49] <Verus> aye, i have cdrom booting in bios
[02:49] <Quest-Master> Before hard drive?
[02:49] <Verus> yes.
[02:49] <sayao> put the cd on the drive
[02:49] <Verus> i downloaded the iso to desktop then winrar opened it, then opened the folder containing the iso and burned it (using nero) to disk. but it won't boot.
[02:50] <Quest-Master> Ack
[02:50] <sayao> you dit wrong
[02:50] <Quest-Master> That's where you messed up, lol.
[02:50] <Quest-Master> Launch Nero.
[02:50] <Quest-Master> Go to the Backup tab thing
[02:50] <Verus> it was in winrar format....
[02:50] <Quest-Master> There's a selection called Create Backup/Iso CDs
[02:50] <Quest-Master> Click that
[02:50] <sayao> rigth click the file and choose burn cd or something
[02:50] <Quest-Master> Select the ISO, and burn it to the CD
[02:51] <sayao> .iso is a cd filesystem format or something like that, winrar is stupid :)
[02:51] <Quest-Master> Yep.
[02:52] <jdong> lots of people in this one
[02:52] <sayao> does anyone here own a pcchips notebook?
[02:52] <sayao> "pccheap" hehe
[02:54] <Verus> so you're saying dont even open the winrar package?
[02:54] <Verus> just burn that package direct to disk?
[02:54] <sayao> Verus, yes, but you dont burn it as a file in the cd
[02:55] <sayao> Verus, burn it as a cd image
[02:55] <sayao> Verus, what do you use to burn cds?
[02:55] <Verus> ok. i dont know nero that well...so im still looking for the options you suggested (afk)
[02:56] <sayao> Verus, i think if you right click the .iso file on windows explorer there is an option to burn it
[02:58] <Zotnix> Anyone else have problems burning CD's in Ubuntu? I have problems in the 2.6.8 and the 2.6.9 kernel... basically the computer locks up every few seconds and I get write errors.
[02:58] <[BTM] gee> to what folder in my quake3 directory shall i link my opengl libraries?
[02:58] <sayao> Zotnix, i burned a few cds and all failed so i guess i have the same problem
[02:58] <sayao> i hate to say, but cd burning on linux sux
[02:59] <Zotnix> I never had a problem before.
[02:59] <Zotnix> I think the new kernel messes it up.
[02:59] <[BTM] gee> anyone play quake3 ?
[02:59] <Verus> Well, I have no option on rightclicking for burning it...i am burning again yet another disk however...I accidentally proceeded. 8)
[02:59] <sayao> [BTM] gee, i think you dont have to link anything
[03:00] <[BTM] gee> sayao, someone told me i did earlier, but then i accidentely shut down X, and i have to start over again
[03:01] <sayao> [BTM] gee, i guess you quake3 isnt starting.. does it show any message?
[03:01] <[BTM] gee> sayao, yeah....when i try fullscreen it gives me this...
[03:01] <[BTM] gee> Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[03:02] <adoy|ubuntu> BTM, are you using xchat?
[03:02] <[BTM] gee> adoy|ubuntu, yes
[03:02] <adoy|ubuntu> turn on logging so you can hang on to these sessions
[03:02] <adoy|ubuntu> i learned the hard way to do that
[03:02] <[BTM] gee> adoy|ubuntu, good idea, thanks
[03:03] <sayao> [BTM] gee, type glxinfo on your console, it will give you some ingo
[03:03] <sayao> *info
[03:03] <[BTM] gee> it's using nvidia
[03:03] <sayao> do you have the nvidia drivers installed?
[03:04] <[BTM] gee> yes, ofcourse
[03:04] <Verus> ok gonna reboot and see how she goes....one last question...its basically debian eh?
[03:04] <Verus> installationwise i mean...
[03:04] <sayao> [BTM] gee, what does it says on direct rendering? yes or no
[03:05] <[BTM] gee> Verus, yes
[03:05] <sayao> Verus, the installation is different
[03:05] <[BTM] gee> sayao, yes
[03:05] <Verus> kk thanks again.
[03:05] <sayao> [BTM] gee, try this: ldd quake3.x86
[03:05] <sayao> i will output the linked libraries
[03:06] <[BTM] gee> not found
[03:06] <[BTM] gee> quake3.x86 that is
[03:06] <sayao> i think its quake.x86 then
[03:07] <[BTM] gee> not a dynamic executeable
[03:07] <adoy|ubuntu> apropos quake
[03:07] <lek> how do you release/renew an ip (from terminal)
[03:08] <[BTM] gee> lek, ifconfig ethX down ; ifconfig ethX new.ip.number.here up
[03:08] <adoy|ubuntu> lek, ifdown eth0 then hdcpcd eth0
[03:08] <adoy|ubuntu> hdcpcd eth0
[03:08] <adoy|ubuntu> sorrry
[03:08] <lek> thanks
[03:09] <sayao> [BTM] gee, to link it type: ln -s /usr/lib/libGL.so .
[03:09] <sayao> [BTM] gee, on the quake3 dir
[03:09] <sayao> [BTM] gee, but i dont think it will help
[03:10] <[BTM] gee> sayao, what can be wrong tho ?
[03:11] <sayao> [BTM] gee, i dont know..
[03:11] <|QuaD|> gnome works for me again!
[03:11] <|QuaD|> finally
[03:11] <Amroc> lamont, you alive?
[03:20] <Seq> does anybody know why I only get sound from gstreamer when using ESD output (alsa and oss both don't work)? And no sound from non-gst anything on the system.
[03:20] <punkass_> anyone know of a good how-to to make deb packages?
[03:21] <punkass_> Seq: if i had to guess its cuz esd takes over the soundcard
[03:22] <punkass_> i had to kill ESD to make alsa etc work
[03:22] <Seq> punkass: that would be my guess too, but i thought alsa supported multiple audio streams?
[03:23] <punkass_> yes but i think esd is a sound server not just a stream
[03:23] <punkass_> so alsa and esd..do battle
[03:24] <Seq> esd has no hardware interface, it goes through the alsa drivers, right? its not like they're conflicting, esd needs alsa (or oss) to work
[03:25] <punkass_> you could be right...honestly i am not sure
[03:25] <Seq> and alsa, to my understanding, should allow multiple audio streams (esd would be one, it mixes all it's streams together). I could be off on this, which is why i asked :p
[03:27] <Vigilanty> anybody know of a really good script for X-Chat irc client?
[03:27] <magillo> hi all. someone knows how to install lilo instead of grub with ubuntu installer? I cannot see the lilo install option, even in expert mode...
[03:28] <Seq> Vigilanty: just any script in general? or one to fill a particular need
[03:29] <magillo> manuals says it possible to choose lilo as boot manager, but installer simply install grub without asking anything
[03:29] <Vigilanty> well...
[03:29] <Vigilanty> i have needs...
[03:30] <Vigilanty> I would like somethin like the excursion script for Mirc...
[03:30] <Seq> i have no idea what that is.
[03:30] <stack_> I just installed k3b, but running it causes a Segmentation Fault, any idea on this one?
[03:30] <Vigilanty> hmmm...
[03:31] <Vigilanty> i need an irc client that will allow me to download a list of channels on the server in which I'm connected.
[03:32] <Seq> Vigilanty: like going to the "window" menu and selecting "channel list" in xchat?
[03:35] <thully> Hi - I wondered if there are any plans tp come out w/an updated live CD anytime soon, as the current one has broken wi-fi and ppp
[03:35] <stack_> what should I be using to burn audio cds?
[03:38] <Seq> stack_: i hear k3b is pretty good
[03:39] <stack_> Seq: it just seg faults on me when I try to run it
[03:39] <strixy> hello everyone
[03:39] <stack_> Seq: actually, it seems as though anything KDE related is just bombing
[03:39] <Seq> oh. i've got no idea, then. I havent tried burning audio
[03:39] <adoy|ubuntu> k3b works wonders on that
[03:40] <Vigilanty> hmmm...
[03:40] <Seq> stack_: did you just install the kde stuff? You might have to log out and back in (probably some environment options or path stuff)
[03:40] <strixy> can anyone answer a question about apache2.conf?
[03:40] <punkass_> stack_: i just installed gnomebaker and it seem to work fine
[03:40] <punkass_> but there is no deb package of it yet
[03:40] <Seq> strestout1: not until we see the question
[03:40] <Seq> strixy: rather ^
[03:40] <Vigilanty> maybe it's just because I don't fully know any of the features of this OS, or appliations for it...
[03:40] <adoy|ubuntu> i just drag my mp3s into k3b audio cd project and it does the conversion
[03:41] <punkass_> im hopefully going to find a nice "howto make debs" and then make a package of it
[03:41] <strixy> Seq: Thanks. I want to change from apache2-default yo just /
[03:41] <strixy> Seq: make that 'to' instead of 'yo'... yo
[03:42] <strixy> :)
[03:42] <strixy> I know I have to edit apache2.conf, but I can't find the line
[03:43] <Seq> the document root you mean?
[03:44] <strixy> Seq: yes. (smacks forehead) Duh! I just found 'sites-enabled'
[03:44] <Seq> yeah, i was going to say. stuff in sites-enabled is actually symlinked to sites-available
[03:45] <strixy> I'm new to apache2 as well as a debian base
[03:45] <strixy> Lovin' Ubuntu, however
[03:45] <strixy> Seq: thanks, though :)
[03:46] <Seq> i just switched my server a few weeks ago from debian woody to ubuntu warty
[03:46] <Seq> im also new to apache2 though
[03:46] <strixy> are you running a mail server as well?
[03:48] <strixy> I migrated from fedora
[03:49] <strixy> how does one restart apache in debian? httpd -restart?
[03:50] <willg> /etc/init.s/apache restart
[03:50] <willg> uhh
[03:50] <willg> wrong
[03:50] <willg> /etc/init.d/apache restart
[03:50] <Seq> strixy: yes, postfix
[03:50] <acidrain> hi
[03:52] <jcole> when i compile kernel 2.6.8 under gcc-3.2 i get "include/linux/compiler.h:28:3: #error Sorry, your compiler is too old/not recognized." is this ok?
[03:52] <jcole> i'm using this command line -> MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.2 CXX=g++-3.2 CPP=cpp-3.2" fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -gcc-3.2 --initrd --revision=2.6.8.1 kernel_image modules_image
[03:52] <jcole> am i missing something?
[03:52] <strixy> ls
[03:53] <strixy> oops
[03:55] <acidrain> I need to reinstall windows but I figure it'll overwrite my boot record, how do I make a boot disk so that I can boot back into ubuntu and reinstall grub?
[03:55] <strixy> For anyone keeping track at home, the restart for apache here is... /etc/init.d/apache2 -k restart
[03:55] <crevette> acidrain: dd should do the trick
[03:56] <crevette> or install grub on a floppy
[03:56] <strixy> Thanks Seq! :)
[03:56] <Zotnix> Ah! Reminds me. Anyway to make a bootable ISO image from a directory.
[03:57] <acidrain> thanks
[03:58] <crevette> acidrain: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialRecoveryAndBootDisk.html#GRUB
[03:59] <crevette> acidrain: I think there a recovery part in the Ubunutu CD installer
[04:01] <Verus> Heya
[04:03] <Xenguy> I'll give you an example - it's hard to convince people at work to have a look at setting up a debian mirror (they're all ga-ga over Fedora right now) when the 'stable' tree is 2 years old :-/
[04:03] <Xenguy> ww
[04:03] <Verus> I have installed Ubuntu and let me just say...wow...I think! It was as easy as windows...easier really.
[04:04] <willg> Verus: it is good stuff. I had a flawless laptop install last night
[04:04] <Verus> Problem is....it didn't ask me for a root password, nor did it let me partition my hd...it was all so automatic
[04:04] <willg> root is disabled
[04:04] <Verus> sheesh
[04:05] <Verus> all one partition as well?
[04:05] <willg> you can enable root with: sudo passwd root
[04:05] <willg> you can enable root with: sudo passwd root
[04:05] <willg> sorry
[04:05] <Verus> cool.
[04:05] <Verus> np. 8)
[04:05] <Xenguy> willg: I assume that one can, if one chooses, disable 'sudo' powers from the 1st user, yes?
[04:06] <willg> sure
[04:07] <BlacKnight|> YAAAAAAY!
[04:07] <BlacKnight|> ok for anyone who has trouble with kde apps not docking:
[04:07] <Xenguy> willg: just checking :-)
[04:07] <willg> Verus: I reinstalled Ubuntu on my web server a week ago, I have several partitions laid out
[04:07] <BlacKnight|> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kdetrayproxy
[04:08] <Gwildor> Verus, you can choose to partition, maybe you jsut got "enter" happy
[04:08] <BlacKnight|> it's madleet
[04:08] <BlacKnight|> kde apps work so well in ubuntu
[04:08] <Seq> Verus: i did multiple as well
[04:08] <Verus> lol. maybe.
[04:08] <BlacKnight|> and everything runs so fast :)
[04:08] <Verus> wasnt much choice really. it was no debian installation.
[04:08] <Xenguy> another off-the-wall question: does anyone know if FAI (fully automatic install) would work with Ubuntu (I'm assuming it would, but have not messed with this at all) ?
[04:08] <BlacKnight|> except my ati card doesnt work
[04:08] <BlacKnight|> fgl_glxgears doesn't run :*
[04:08] <BlacKnight|> :(
[04:08] <Gwildor> Xenguy, i did full auto
[04:09] <Gwildor> Xenguy, takes whole drive
[04:09] <Xenguy> Gwildor: did you need to set up a local mirror then?
[04:09] <Verus> still cant get a root working gonna monkey around a bit with it.
[04:09] <Gwildor> Xenguy, i didnt.....just hit enter
[04:09] <Xenguy> Gwildor: do you mean FAI (the package) ?
[04:10] <Gwildor> oh.......no....sorry
[04:10] <Gwildor> im stupid
[04:10] <Xenguy> Gwildor: OK
[04:10] <Xenguy> Gwildor: no, not at all
[04:10] <Gwildor> Xenguy, just a newb :)
[04:10] <Xenguy> Gwildor: np
[04:10] <GoldeNArX> whats up
[04:11] <Gwildor> hi
[04:12] <GoldeNArX> anyone available to help me set up an ftp server?
[04:12] <bCc`> hmm
[04:13] <Verus> sudo command asks me for a password. anything (including nothing) gives me wrong password. hmm
[04:13] <acidrain> thank you very much crevette
[04:13] <bCc`> happen to be anyone that uses the nick goose in here
[04:13] <bCc`> or is from stephenvilkle
[04:13] <scoon> Verus, sudo is the password of your user
[04:13] <Verus> i've tried it. no luck.
[04:14] <scoon> Verus, what happens if you do su Verus
[04:14] <scoon> Verus, assuming that is your users name
[04:15] <Verus> it asks for password then it doesnt make me root, just stays at user name...ahhh maybe thats just the way it works!
[04:15] <scoon> Verus, no,
[04:15] <Quest-Master> Verus
[04:15] <scoon> sudo asks for your users pwd
[04:15] <scoon> Verus, that was just a simple way to test if you were typing the pwd correctly] 
[04:15] <Quest-Master> When you set up Ubuntu, you put in a root password too (from what I remember)
[04:15] <__learner__> how can I change a file owner?
[04:15] <Verus> aye i used it but still not root@ only verus@
[04:16] <Quest-Master> __learner__: Right-click
[04:16] <Quest-Master> Permissions
[04:16] <Quest-Master> And change them there.
[04:16] <Quest-Master> Make sure you are the file owner though before doing so
[04:16] <__learner__> the file is from root. I want to open it with my user. I can't change it that way because I'm not the owner, the owner is root.
[04:16] <__learner__> I want to become owner
[04:17] <__learner__> So I think I need to do it from the console, as root - the owner
[04:17] <Quest-Master> sudo nautilus
[04:17] <scoon> __learner__, just copy that file to your desktop
[04:17] <scoon> maybe that will work for you
[04:17] <__learner__> I did it, didint worked
[04:17] <Quest-Master> sudo nautilus, go to that file, right-click, change the permissions.
[04:17] <scoon> __learner__, copy the file to your desktop
[04:18] <scoon> and then do chmod 0777 the_file_you_are_changing
[04:18] <scoon> but really, what are you trying to do ?  why do you want to own a root file ?
[04:18] <__learner__> tx a lot
[04:18] <scoon> __learner__, man chmod will help you as well
[04:19] <__learner__> Because I copied it to my desktop, But as root, because I didn't have read acess to the file.
[04:19] <__learner__> tx, what chmod do?
[04:19] <scoon> __learner__, check out man chmod
[04:19] <netdur> just noticed, away web browsers... there no way to display animated GIFs
[04:19] <scoon> and that will answer it for you
[04:19] <scoon> and give you some other tips
[04:19] <__learner__> tx
[04:20] <scoon> np
[04:22] <Verus> hmm. I am trying to apt-get upgrade && apt-get update but it is asking me if im root...which im not. "su verus <enter> verus'passwd <enter> aint making me root.
[04:22] <netdur> sudo -s
[04:22] <scoon> Verus, does the $ at the end of your name change to a # ?
[04:23] <Verus> nadda. nope.
[04:23] <scoon> Verus, also, ubuntu disables root
[04:23] <scoon> Verus, check out the howtos
[04:23] <Verus> ok will do.
[04:23] <scoon> Verus, that sounds to be your problem
[04:24] <scoon> Verus, all tho, sudo should work for you
[04:24] <scoon> but you would need to do it like this
[04:24] <Verus> I used debian and had no trouble. i just tried the sudo -s and im auto root now. hmm
[04:24] <scoon> sudo command1 && sudo command2
[04:24] <scoon> Verus, well this isn't exactly debian
[04:24] <scoon> remember that.
[04:24] <adoy|ubuntu> Verus, or open the root terminal
[04:24] <scoon> even tho it is apt based
[04:24] <adoy|ubuntu> then launch from there
[04:25] <Verus> im root@ with the simple command sudo -s. go figure. 8)
[04:25] <scoon> Verus, sounds like a good time to "root" through the ubuntu wiki's
[04:25] <scoon> god that was horrible
[04:25] <adoy|ubuntu> lol
[04:25] <scoon> i couldn't f'ing resist that one
[04:26] <scoon> totally miserable
[04:26] <Verus> time to wander through the winkis huh?
[04:26] <scoon> something like that
[04:26] <adoy|ubuntu> tiptoe thru the tulips... hehe
[04:26] <Verus> haha ok.
[04:26] <Verus> lol.
[04:26] <adoy|ubuntu> no where did i put that eukalaly
[04:26] <scoon> you cats need to get laid more often
[04:26] <adoy|ubuntu> yea
[04:27] <scoon> then this crappe wouldn't be so funny
[04:27] <adoy|ubuntu> meow
[04:27] <scoon> notice the french spelling of crap
[04:27] <scoon> i am very distinguished
[04:27] <adoy|ubuntu> yea
[04:28] <adoy|ubuntu> ouch, speaking of that topic, laptops reduce mens fertility
[04:28] <scoon> that is why I only use it on the toilet
[04:28] <scoon> so does crapping
[04:28] <adoy|ubuntu> LOL
[04:29] <scoon> oh
[04:29] <scoon> and just about everything else out there.
[04:29] <adoy|ubuntu> crap... the space station astronauts are going to starve to death
[04:29] <adoy|ubuntu> lol
[04:30] <scoon> cuz of sterility
[04:30] <scoon> that's kinda afu
[04:30] <Verus> well just about this guys bedtime; thanks folks. can't believe how easy this install was. I've had redhat, mandrake, libranet and debian all installed at one time or another, this was scary easy.
[04:30] <scoon> yeah it is
[04:30] <scoon> easy
[04:30] <scoon> not scary
[04:30] <Gwildor> anyone notice that most of TSS content today was featured on slashdot as well?
[04:30] <scoon> actually
[04:30] <Verus> lol.
[04:30] <scoon> everything else is
[04:30] <scoon> well
[04:30] <BlacKnight|> hrmm
[04:30] <scoon> except being drunk
[04:31] <BlacKnight|> say i have a debian .diff.gz file
[04:31] <scoon> and "root"-ing
[04:31] <BlacKnight|> and the sources for a program
[04:31] <BlacKnight|> how do i make a .dep for it?
[04:31] <BlacKnight|> .deb rather
[04:31] <Verus> nite folks, thanks again.
[04:35] <Se7h> OT question
[04:36] <Se7h> does anyone has a color lcd module to sell?
[04:36] <Se7h> lol
[04:38] <zenpod> colour lcd module?
[04:44] <netdur> why bootloaders and runlevel removed from gst?
[04:45] <__learner__> good bye!
[04:45] <__learner__> and tx again!
[04:45] <knewt> once base-config has reached the point of apt-get'ing stuff, is there anything else important it needs to do?
[04:46] <siimo> anyone using gaim 1.1 package from backports
[04:48] <Garoboldy> hey guys, quick question. if I am running an older laptop and install ubuntu on it. do I need to set a specific parameter for my cdrom to be read from
[04:48] <Garoboldy> when it gets past the keyboard, and hardware detection..it just sits there
[04:48] <adoy|ubuntu> Garoboldy, did you look at the BIOS
[04:49] <Garoboldy> the bios?
[04:49] <Garoboldy> for what
[04:49] <adoy|ubuntu> yea
[04:49] <adoy|ubuntu> to make sure it will boot from CDrom first
[04:49] <adoy|ubuntu> changing boot order
[04:49] <Garoboldy> yeah it does that LOL read my second message
[04:49] <adoy|ubuntu> ok
[04:50] <Garoboldy> tried nodma but that didnt help
[04:50] <adoy|ubuntu> noacpi?
[04:50] <Garoboldy> ok let me try that
[04:51] <Garoboldy> linux noacpi anything else?
[04:51] <adoy|ubuntu> thinking
[04:52] <Gwildor> how do i find what gtk version i am using?
[04:52] <adoy|ubuntu> noapic
[04:52] <Garoboldy> noapic?
[04:52] <adoy|ubuntu> one of the options
[04:52] <Garoboldy> ok linux noapci noapic
[04:53] <adoy|ubuntu> Garoboldy, linux noapic noacpi ide=nodma
[04:53] <Garoboldy> alright going with it lol
[04:54] <Garoboldy> detecting hardware to find cd-rom drives
[04:54] <Garoboldy> loading a bunch of modules
[04:54] <adoy|ubuntu> nice
[04:55] <Garoboldy> uumm now nothing.
[04:55] <adoy|ubuntu> what is last line
[04:56] <Gwildor> how do i find what gtk version i am using?
[04:57] <Garoboldy> its a bluew screen with a white bar at the bottom
[04:57] <Garoboldy> where I can type
[04:57] <siimo> anyone using gaim 1.1 package from backports
[04:57] <siimo> i cant connect to MSN
[04:58] <adoy|ubuntu> Garoboldy, at a # prompt?
[04:58] <Garoboldy> no, theres no # its just the black square where I can type at the bottom and thats it
[04:59] <Garoboldy> its like its not reading anything from the cdrom
[05:00] <adoy|ubuntu> yup
[05:00] <adoy|ubuntu> clean disc?
[05:00] <Garoboldy> yeah just burned it like 20 minutes ago
[05:02] <siimo> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[05:03] <siimo> i see backports arent supported here huh
[05:03] <adoy|ubuntu> siimo, tried multiverse?
[05:03] <adoy|ubuntu> siimo, tried multiverse, etc
[05:04] <siimo> adoy|ubuntu, what do you mean? i am using gaim from warty backports  aim works ont it but msn isnt working
[05:04] <adoy|ubuntu> ok
[05:05] <adoy|ubuntu> "i see backports arent supported here huh"
[05:05] <adoy|ubuntu> that was what i was going on
[05:06] <siimo> well no one is replying.. so i said that
[05:07] <adoy|ubuntu> ic
[05:08] <adoy|ubuntu> siimo, i just got in using 1.0 gaim
[05:08] <adoy|ubuntu> to msn
[05:16] <Seq> anybody have extremely high cpu useage in firefox? It only happens after I installed java, but it happens on pages without java too
[05:17] <JDahl> I feel much after installing Hoary... I missed the 100MB+ daily dist-upgrades
[05:18] <Seq> JDahl: i like accidently upgrading to development branches of gnome. :)
[05:20] <JDahl> Seq: Yes, it's great way to really get to know aptitude - holding, downgrading, purging, intentionally breaking dependencies etc ;)
[05:22] <Seq> im still getting used to a graphical package manager
[05:23] <knewt> is there anything base-config does after the apt-get stage that's important?
[05:23] <JDahl> Seq, so what do you do when your system is screwed up and X wont start?
[05:24] <|QuaD|> is there a way to put package requests into ubuntu?
[05:24] <Seq> JDahl: fix x?
[05:24] <JDahl> Seq, using aptitide then?
[05:25] <Seq> you don't use a package manager to fix a problem :)
[05:25] <JDahl> You do if you're problem is broken dependencies is gnome
[05:25] <JDahl> s/you're/your/
[05:25] <Seq> then x isnt broken, its just gnome :)
[05:25] <knewt> that's what you get for depending on gnome :)
[05:26] <Seq> and whenever you were saying aptitude above, i was thinking of synaptic (which i havent really used). I havent looked at aptitude much
[05:26] <knewt> i use aptitude at the end of ssh and ttyS consoles
[05:27] <JDahl> I am not a command-line evangelist, I am just used to aptitude from Debian and it's perfect for me
[05:28] <Seq> i just use apt and dpkg directly usually
[05:28] <knewt> i like the dependency management of aptitude
[05:32] <|QuaD|> weird.... using the standard unix ftp client i get 600kb/s from a site, using gftp (same site, same computer) i get 25kb/s.... any suggestions as to why?
[05:33] <calc> |QuaD|: looked at what it is doing with a packet sniffer?
[05:34] <knewt> ah, that's better. sshd installed now so i can move over to using aptitude over that instead of a ttyS
[05:35] <|QuaD|> calc: don't have time to do the research now
[05:35] <|QuaD|> i will later though
[05:35] <|QuaD|> i was wondering if this was a common bug
[05:35] <|QuaD|> i AM using hoary so anything is possible
[05:35] <Seq> |QuaD|: are they both kilobytes, or is one kilobits, or what?
[05:35] <|QuaD|> Seq: both are in kilobytes
[05:36] <calc> |QuaD|: i haven't used gftp i normally use lftp
[05:36] <|QuaD|> calc: i just downloaded it, couldn't figure it out in the 13 mintues i had, so i went to gftp :)
[05:36] <Seq> i have no idea why you'd see such a huge discrepancy. although 600KB/s really rocks if its over anything but a local network
[05:37] <calc> |QuaD|: lftp is even easier to use than netkit ftp
[05:37] <|QuaD|> Seq: local is boston to florida isn't local :)
[05:37] <calc> lftp ftpurl  then just use get it takes care of binary automatically
[05:37] <|QuaD|> i also confirmed the results with bwm
[05:37] <|QuaD|> its just really weird
[05:37] <Seq> |QuaD|: i meant local as in in your home or business.
[05:38] <|QuaD|> Seq: i know i was just toying with oyu
[05:38] <|QuaD|> (you had no way of knowing where i was transferring)
[05:39] <moquist> heh; just caught myself typing "emerge"
[05:39] <Seq> moquist: i type 'apt-get' so often on my gentoo system now
[05:40] <|QuaD|> apt-get is second nature to me
[05:40] <moquist> apt is getting to be second nature to me.  but it takes time.
[05:40] <lev> i need help with my sound.
[05:40] <moquist> lev: no kidding; I couldn't hear that at all.
[05:40] <Seq> i had been using gentoo for a long time, its almost hard to believe the distro is that old at all
[05:41] <moquist> Seq: yup.
[05:41] <lev> :-D
[05:41] <moquist> lev: 'sup?
[05:41] <lev> Um..
[05:41] <lev> well i have been trying to get my sound card workin for weeks.
[05:41] <Seq> i switched to gnome 2.0 on gentoo. it sucked at the time because all apps were still gtk+ 1.2
[05:41] <lev> and i got this little tid bit from the ubuntu website..
[05:42] <Seq> i remember thinking it was cool when gaim had the option to build with gtk2 support instead
[05:42] <|QuaD|> i think i am finally getting used to gnome
[05:42] <lev> i have to add.. Acpi_something_something=7
[05:42] <Seq> the world was fuglier back then
[05:42] <lev> to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:42] <|QuaD|> i don't care for the lack of integration between apps (kde strives at that) but i am getting used to it
[05:42] <lev> .. i have no idea what to do.
[05:42] <|QuaD|> lev: warty or hoary
[05:42] <lev> warty.
[05:42] <moquist> lev: sounds like you're supposed to add some kernel boot parameters.  do you have a URL for this page you refer to?
[05:43] <|QuaD|> is your sound card supported?
[05:43] <lev> yea.. one second.
[05:43] <lev> yea it is supported.
[05:44] <lev> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops/view?searchterm=laptop
[05:44] <lev> i have a Dell inspiron 8600
[05:44] <|QuaD|> i really want ubuntu to add sunbird and nvu to the repos
[05:54] <RuffianSoldier> ok everyone - heres the big quesion - should I upgrade to hoary
[05:54] <|QuaD|> RuffianSoldier: no
[05:55] <RuffianSoldier> |QuaD| but XFree86 wont work!  I just put my Ubuntu HD in a new computer
[05:55] <RuffianSoldier> and I cant get it to work
[05:55] <|QuaD|> RuffianSoldier: i would reinstall it
[05:55] <|QuaD|> in the new hd
[05:55] <|QuaD|> grr
[05:55] <|QuaD|> comp
[05:55] <RuffianSoldier> but!?!?! I LOVE MY INSTALL :-(
[05:56] <|QuaD|> i doubt hoary will fix your problem
[05:59] <RuffianSoldier> |QuaD| ----- I forget, is there an option during the isntall of Ubuntu where I can not install GRUB to MBR?  I want to install GRUB but not to MBR
[06:02] <kdaver> is there any P2P cliento for ubuntu?
[06:02] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[06:02] <RuffianSoldier> bittorrent
[06:02] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[06:02] <kdaver> ok, i never used it before, buy i jus have internet at my home...
[06:03] <RuffianSoldier> can I not install GRUB - cuz I can just make a back up of the GRUB menu and put it back in some other time
[06:04] <moquist> lev: i updated http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops/view?searchterm=laptop with an example for you.
[06:06] <RuffianSoldier> Is there anyway I can get X to work?  I mean - i need everything on the HD
[06:07] <RuffianSoldier> HOw can I get X working?
[06:08] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: what's it doing?
[06:08] <RuffianSoldier> not starting lol
[06:08] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: any error messages?
[06:08] <RuffianSoldier> well ya
[06:08] <|QuaD|> RuffianSoldier: back it up
[06:08] <RuffianSoldier> some stuff wotn start
[06:08] <|QuaD|> uninstall
[06:08] <RuffianSoldier> back up what?
[06:08] <|QuaD|> grr
[06:08] <|QuaD|> format
[06:08] <RuffianSoldier> NO!
[06:08] <|QuaD|> reinstall
[06:08] <RuffianSoldier> im not going to!
[06:08] <RuffianSoldier> i dont know if thats my only oprion
[06:09] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: I doubt that's your only option, though other options might be a bit involved.
[06:09] <RuffianSoldier> np
[06:09] <RuffianSoldier> I have 2 other Distros and W2K installed
[06:09] <RuffianSoldier> Ubuntu will be my new project
[06:10] <kdaver> RuffianSoldier: did yo allready try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 just like debian?
[06:10] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[06:10] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: so worst case, you can get your data from your Ubuntu install using one of your other distros...
[06:10] <RuffianSoldier> ya
[06:10] <RuffianSoldier> but I like my settings
[06:10] <RuffianSoldier> :-(
[06:10] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: ...then copy your settings, too.  :)
[06:10] <RuffianSoldier> I had about 3 months of stuff on that
[06:10] <RuffianSoldier> how do I copy KDE and Gnome settings?
[06:10] <RuffianSoldier> and use them again?
[06:10] <kdaver> what kind of videocard do you have?
[06:11] <RuffianSoldier> onboard VIA
[06:11] <RuffianSoldier> which is prolly my problem
[06:11] <moquist> lev: hey.  did it work?
[06:11] <kdaver> UPS, problems
[06:11] <lev> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[06:11] <lev> THANK YOU SO MUCH!
[06:11] <kdaver> yes, i think so
[06:11] <lev> :-D
[06:11] <moquist> lev: excellent.  np.  :)
[06:13] <hub> I'm less than 1 ft away from my Wifi AP
[06:13] <hub> and the Wifi applet still says "no device"
[06:13] <hub> iwconfig shows eth1
[06:14] <hub> any idea ?
[06:17] <Tsjoklat> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
[06:18] <RuffianSoldier> i agree
[06:18] <Tsjoklat> hey Ruffian
[06:18] <RuffianSoldier> hello Tsjoklat
[06:19] <Tsjoklat> are you on a rampage again Ruffian?
[06:19] <RuffianSoldier> yes ;-|
[06:20] <Tsjoklat> give 'em hell? :P
[06:20] <RuffianSoldier> Its been a while since I used the Ubuntu installer - can I choose to not install grub?  And make a backup of /boot - then copy /boot backinto /
[06:20] <rvirani> how do I get the kernel source tree
[06:21] <rvirani> apt-get doesnt have the right versions for my ubuntu install
[06:21] <rvirani> Linux legion 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Thu Nov 18 11:47:33 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:21] <Tsjoklat> haven't seen that option Ruffian
[06:21] <RuffianSoldier> :-(
[06:21] <RuffianSoldier> Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:22] <RuffianSoldier> Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:22] <RuffianSoldier> One thing every distro needs!!!
[06:22] <rvirani> Any ideas? I need my NVIDIA driver up and running
[06:22] <Tsjoklat> what is it that you want? lilo?
[06:22] <RuffianSoldier> no - nothing
[06:22] <RuffianSoldier> no GRUB
[06:22] <Tsjoklat> why not?
[06:22] <Tsjoklat> how are you going to boot up?
[06:22] <RuffianSoldier> I have other distros
[06:23] <moquist> rvirani: the right kernel version doesn't show up when you do 'apt-cache search linux-source'?
[06:23] <RuffianSoldier> I want SUSE as the main loader
[06:23] <Tsjoklat> huh huh
[06:23] <RuffianSoldier> Well - if I could get X to friggen work that would be nice also
[06:24] <Tsjoklat> I wonder what you are doing most of the time Ruffian
[06:24] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: couldja perhaps copy xorg.conf or XF86Config from one of your other distros, and start with that?
[06:24] <RuffianSoldier> will that work?
[06:24] <RuffianSoldier> and be usuable?
[06:24] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: mebbe.  :)  make a backup of anything you're changing...
[06:25] <Tsjoklat> if it works in that other distro it should work in ubu
[06:25] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: i'd at least do a visual difference comparison before trying it out.
[06:25] <RuffianSoldier> OOH! I can do it in BeatrIX - its based off Ubuntu and Knoppix
[06:25] <RuffianSoldier> where is it located?
[06:25] <RuffianSoldier> the X config document
[06:25] <rvirani> moquist, sorry I did an apt-get install kernel-source
[06:25] <Tsjoklat> what are you using Ruffian? Bea/suse/Mandrake?
[06:25] <rvirani> and the right one didnt show up
[06:26] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: /etc/X11/
[06:26] <moquist> rvirani: np.  so are you all set now?
[06:26] <rvirani> moquist, should be
[06:26] <moquist> rvirani: cool.
[06:26] <rvirani> what is the difference, shouldnt apt-get search the same cache?
[06:27] <RuffianSoldier> XF86COnfig-4?
[06:27] <moquist> rvirani: yeah, but you want linux-source instead of kernel-source.  don't ask me why...
[06:27] <rvirani> lol
[06:27] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: yeah.
[06:27] <rvirani> alright
[06:27] <rvirani> thanx for the heads up
[06:27] <moquist> np
[06:28] <moquist> can anybody explain the difference between "linux-source' and 'kernel-source' packages?
[06:28] <moquist> er, anybody *here*, that is.  ;)
[06:28] <RuffianSoldier> I dont have access to the Ubuntu partition
[06:29] <RuffianSoldier> how can I change it?
[06:29] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: you should be able to get to it if you're comfortable with the 'mount' command.
[06:29] <RuffianSoldier> I have it mounted
[06:29] <RuffianSoldier> i dont have permision to write anything in it
[06:29] <moquist> RuffianSoldier: oh.  you don't have write access, then?
[06:30] <moquist> right.  :)
[06:30] <RuffianSoldier> Doing!
[06:30] <RuffianSoldier> +D
[06:30] <RuffianSoldier> =S
[06:30] <kdaver> is there any kazaa compatible client on linux?
[06:31] <rvirani> moquist, well thanx
[06:31] <rvirani> Im out
[06:37] <fester420> Yes I have a question my router wont work with ubuntu but when I directly connect my modem to my computer it works any suggestions?
[06:37] <ctd> What router?
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> what kind of router? it should be kinda transparent, no?
[06:37] <fester420> A cheap ass compusa one
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> mine works fine without a fuss
[06:38] <Cloudchaser> its a d-link i think
[06:38] <fester420> I dunno why mine wont let me use ubuntu
[06:38] <Cloudchaser> is dhcp turned on on the router?
[06:38] <fester420> yes
[06:39] <fester420> I mean iam hooked on ubuntu but cant use it tghat often
[06:40] <RuffianSoldier> whats the console command to copy a file (it will have to overwrite the file with the same name)
[06:41] <fester420> Iam about to say fuck it and use debian
[06:41] <Tsjoklat> what is the problem fester420
[06:41] <Rene_S> Ok whats the point of Evolution having a check mail every so many minutes ?  Do they expect me to keep it open all day ?
[06:42] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S yes
[06:42] <fester420> When iam hooked up through my router my ubuntu wont connect to the internet but when I direxctly hook my cable modem up to my computer it works
[06:42] <Rene_S> bleh, that blows
[06:42] <Tsjoklat> what router/modem?
[06:42] <Tsjoklat> win modem?
[06:43] <|QuaD|> Rene_S: a lot of people keep it on at work
[06:43] <fester420> Its a terayon modem and a cheap compusa router
[06:43] <|QuaD|> and get notices when they get new mail
[06:43] <Rene_S> I guess
[06:43] <|QuaD|> fester420: wireless or wired (for the router)
[06:43] <fester420> wired
[06:43] <fester420> With cat15 cables
[06:43] <|QuaD|> fester to an ifconfig when itis setup, what do you see
[06:43] <|QuaD|> (connected to the rounter)
[06:44] <Tsjoklat> did you check the wiki?
[06:44] <Tsjoklat> hey |QuaD
[06:44] <Cloudchaser> do you shut down the cable modem before you try the router?
[06:44] <fester420> It shows the ip and everything
[06:44] <fester420> yes
[06:44] <fester420> I restart it and everything
[06:44] <hub> now the wireless applet show eth1
[06:44] <hub> but still does not work
[06:44] <|QuaD|> hey Tsjoklat
[06:44] <fester420> No it dosent
[06:44] <|QuaD|> fester420: can you show us the information
[06:44] <fester420> By the way I appricate the help
[06:45] <fester420> What info do you need
[06:45] <|QuaD|> ifconfig
[06:45] <|QuaD|> i know what it shows
[06:45] <|QuaD|> i want to see your output
[06:45] <Tsjoklat> I want to see your input
[06:45] <Tsjoklat> sorry bad j/k
[06:45] <eruin> is it possible to stream a movie from unpacked rar-files?
[06:45] <fester420> So I need to logg in linux
[06:46] <eruin> err, non-extracted I mean
[06:46] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: haah
[06:46] <fester420> Root term or reg tyerm
[06:46] <|QuaD|> fester420: we can only help you if ou show us stuff like this
[06:46] <|QuaD|> fester420: root
[06:46] <fester420> And type ifconfig
[06:46] <|QuaD|> yeah
[06:46] <|QuaD|> maybe /sbin/ifconfig
[06:46] <|QuaD|> i forget if ubuntu has /sbin in path
[06:46] <fester420> With my router connected
[06:47] <|QuaD|> rigght
[06:47] <Tsjoklat> cd /etc/network
[06:47] <Tsjoklat> interfaces
[06:47] <fester420> Ok I will be back in a min
[06:47] <|QuaD|> k
[06:48] <|QuaD|> why would someone not use mirc or a different free irc client?
[06:49] <ctd> mirc isn't free.
[06:49] <|QuaD|> shareware right?
[06:49] <Tsjoklat> keygens do wonders
[06:49] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: hehe
[06:49] <|QuaD|> thats illegal
[06:49] <|QuaD|> :)
[06:49] <|QuaD|> no illegal software on my machine
[06:49] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD and? I never said I use it :)
[06:50] <ctd> Tsjoklat: Still not free.
[06:50] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD that's why there is open source and we can use that
[06:50] <lev> why wont dvd's play in totem?
[06:50] <|QuaD|> i used mirc for a while, and never paid or keygen
[06:50] <Tsjoklat> ctd what isn't free?
[06:50] <|QuaD|> lev: xine or gstreamer
[06:50] <ctd> lev: You want totem-xine and libdvdcss
[06:50] <|QuaD|> :)
[06:50] <ctd> Tsjoklat: mirc.
[06:50] <lev> can i get them in SPM?
[06:50] <|QuaD|> spm?
[06:50] <ctd> hrm, SPM?
[06:50] <|QuaD|> making up your own acronyms?
[06:50] <ctd> ah..
[06:51] <Tsjoklat> ctd well since I had to see madam kebab's pic each time I started it up I dissed it pronto
[06:51] <ctd> synaptic package manager, I assume.
[06:51] <|QuaD|> ahh
[06:51] <lev> Yea...
[06:51] <lev> haha
[06:51] <ctd> lev: Make sure you have universe and multiverse enabled.
[06:51] <lev> Okay thanks.
[06:52] <ctd> Compulsarily, I'll say libdvdcss may not be legal in your country. ;)
[06:52] <|QuaD|> i hate my pda.... they won't release a linux sync client or a thunderbird sync client.... everything is stored on backend servers and they only release intellisync for window
[06:52] <|QuaD|> s
[06:52] <Tsjoklat> ctd is our moral man today
[06:52] <|QuaD|> makes me mad
[06:52] <Tsjoklat> if in doubt.. ask ctd if it is legal
[06:52] <ctd> har har.
[06:52] <|QuaD|> is it legal in us?
[06:53] <ctd> |QuaD|: iirc, yes.
[06:53] <ctd> |QuaD|: I'm not expert.. but I think it's covered in the DMCA.
[06:53] <Tsjoklat> *yawn*
[06:53] <farruinn> could someone running hoary tell me what version of libdbd-mysql-perl it has?
[06:53] <|QuaD|> oh ok
[06:53] <Tsjoklat> legal, illegal
[06:53] <|QuaD|> i am running hoary
[06:53] <farruinn> (we need a packages.ubuntulinux.org)
[06:53] <|QuaD|> how do i check the version?
[06:53] <Tsjoklat> you can look it up
[06:53] <Tsjoklat> archives.ubuntu.com
[06:54] <farruinn> ah true
[06:54] <ctd> farruinn: 2.9003-3
[06:54] <farruinn> ok, thanks
[06:54] <ctd> |QuaD|: Take a look, some iPaqs can run linux. ;)
[06:54] <farruinn> btw |QuaD|, it'd be apt-cache show package
[06:54] <farruinn> or just search for it in synaptic
[06:55] <|QuaD|> ctd: i hav ea pda phone
[06:56] <ctd> ah
[06:56] <|QuaD|> and sync is all internet based... no cable required
[06:56] <|QuaD|> for windows client
[06:57] <ctd> hrm, bluetooth seems to be the big thing for sync'ing these days.
[07:01] <pepsi_> hrm
[07:01] <pepsi_> is everything sposed to be in the applications menu in hoary?
[07:01] <Gorx> Hi, don't know if this is *normal*, but I didn't set up any administrator password while installing, and now that I want to apt-get something, it asks me to be SU, so I do, using my normal password, using no password..
[07:01] <pepsi_> sudo apt-get
[07:01] <pepsi_> sudo -s for a root terminal
[07:02] <hub> I still haven't my bugzilla password
[07:02] <hub> wtf ?
[07:02] <Gorx> Thanks you Peltoilves
[07:02] <|QuaD|> pepsi_: i believe its a bug
[07:02] <pepsi_> |QuaD|: whats a bug?
[07:02] <|QuaD|> app menus
[07:02] <pepsi_> oh
[07:03] <fester420> ok iam in ubuntu with out my router i got the info
[07:03] <fester420> root@josh:/home/josh # /sbin/ifconfig
[07:03] <fester420> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:06:5B:22:EF:AA
[07:03] <fester420>           inet addr:192.168.1.2  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[07:03] <fester420>           inet6 addr: fe80::206:5bff:fe22:efaa/64 Scope:Link
[07:03] <fester420>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[07:03] <fester420>           RX packets:34 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[07:03] <fester420>           TX packets:25 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[07:03] <fester420>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[07:03] <fester420>           RX bytes:7282 (7.1 KiB)  TX bytes:3512 (3.4 KiB)
[07:03] <fester420>           Interrupt:11 Base address:0xec80
[07:04] <|QuaD|> fester420: paste bin
[07:04] <fester420> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[07:04] <fester420>           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
[07:04] <fester420>           inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
[07:04] <fester420>           UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
[07:04] <fester420>           RX packets:1229 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[07:04] <fester420>           TX packets:1229 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[07:04] <fester420>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
[07:04] <fester420>           RX bytes:87165 (85.1 KiB)  TX bytes:87165 (85.1 KiB)
[07:05] <fester420> is that the right infp
[07:05] <|QuaD|> yeah
[07:05] <|QuaD|> next time use a pastebin
[07:05] <|QuaD|> or you will probably be kicked
[07:05] <fester420> my bad
[07:05] <fester420> i dint know
[07:05] <Gorx> Though GCC would be installed at least
[07:05] <|QuaD|> so it is getting an address hmmm
[07:05] <hub> fester420: what is the problem ?
[07:05] <|QuaD|> fester420: whats your local ip now
[07:05] <|QuaD|> with winblows
[07:05] <RuffianSoldier> who here has heard of BeatrIX yet?
[07:05] <fester420> iam not through my router
[07:05] <knewt> gah, been too long since i've done this. how would i go about preventing certain modules from being loaded?
[07:06] <|QuaD|> why?
[07:06] <fester420> it dosent work
[07:06] <|QuaD|> are you on windows?
[07:06] <fester420> i cant get on the net in ubuntu witgh my router
[07:06] <fester420> no iam in ubuntu
[07:06] <|QuaD|> wait... that is your ip address through the router
[07:06] <|QuaD|> or not throuhg it
[07:06] <fester420> i directly connected my modem to my computer
[07:06] <fester420> yes
[07:06] <|QuaD|> i need the one through the modem
[07:07] <|QuaD|> grr
[07:07] <|QuaD|> router
[07:07] <fester420> o ok
[07:07] <fester420> ill get it now
[07:07] <Se7h> OT question
[07:07] <|QuaD|> that could actually be your problem
[07:07] <Se7h> does anyone has a color lcd module to sell?
[07:07] <fester420> where is pastbin
[07:07] <|QuaD|> pastebin.org
[07:08] <cowbud> networkmanager still isn't in ubuntu?
[07:09] <fester420> paste bin is being jewish
[07:09] <fester420> i imed them to u
[07:10] <Gmail> fester420: PASTEBIN
[07:10] <Tsjoklat> fester420 no need for that please
[07:10] <fester420> it says underr constrution
[07:10] <fester420> i dint mean to
[07:11] <|QuaD|> fester420: fuck you.... i am jewish
[07:11] <fester420> so am i
[07:11] <fester420> no joke
[07:11] <|QuaD|> you know what... i am done helping oyu
[07:11] <|QuaD|> if someone else wants to, let them
[07:11] <fester420> fine then iam gone
[07:11] <|QuaD|> lol
[07:12] <Gorx> Vive le respect
[07:12] <Tsjoklat> testy
[07:12] <RuffianSoldier> hey Ivy60Quaff
[07:15] <knewt> anyone know how to forceably prevent certain kernel modules from being loaded? i haven't really played with modules in ages
[07:16] <housetier> delete them
[07:16] <knewt> won't the next update via aptitude put them back?
[07:17] <housetier> possibly :)
[07:17] <grif2010> hi guys! i have just installed heroes3 using wine to directory Z:\(what's that?) and so where can i find it now?
[07:18] <Agrajag> put them in /etc/hotplug/blacklist?
[07:18] <knewt> not being loaded by hotplug, being pulled in earlier than that
[07:19] <Agrajag> then delete them
[07:19] <Agrajag> or build your own kernel, and leave them out
[07:21] <MasterShake> If you're not doing anything help serve the ubuntu ISO torrents.
[07:22] <|QuaD|> wtf?
[07:23] <knewt> hmm, i suppose i'm not going to be booting into the standard ubuntu kernel except in emergencies anyway, so it doesn't matter too much if i have extraneous modules about
[07:23] <Gmail> why?
[07:24] <knewt> Gmail: aimed at me?
[07:24] <Gmail> yes
[07:27] <knewt> i need to build a custom kernel for certain bits of functionality
[07:28] <knewt> while i think about it, what's the best way to stop a daemon being loaded by rc.d such that it doesn't get added back again later?
[07:30] <Garoboldy> when something fails to load on boot for a pcmcia device (xircom ethernet to be exact). can we load it after boot?
[07:30] <Garoboldy> or install one or something
[07:32] <dr_willis_> should be able to manually load and unload modules
[07:32] <dr_willis_> and restart the pcmcia services - i recall
[07:32] <Garoboldy> ok, yeah I have no clue how to do that LOL..very new to this
[07:33] <farruinn> modprobe <module> ?
[07:33] <farruinn> er, sudo modprobe <module>
[07:34] <Garoboldy> sorry got logged out
[07:34] <Garoboldy> what did you say?
 modprobe <module> ?
 er, sudo modprobe <module>
[07:35] <Garoboldy> where can I find out what module it is...It doesnt wait long enough for me to see where it is
[07:35] <dr_willis_> use the modprobe command. but i cant rember how to restart the pcmcia services.. actually I think the hotplug service should load the stuff if you just pop the pcmcia card out/inb
[07:35] <dr_willis_> check 'dmesg' output to see errors and info is always where i start
[07:36] <Garoboldy> oh never looked at that before
[07:36] <Garoboldy> cool
[07:36] <farruinn> it should tell you what you're looking for, if not /var/log/syslog should
[07:36] <Garoboldy> ok let me try that real fast
[07:38] <Garoboldy> error inserting xircom_tulip_cp ...thats what it said...
[07:39] <farruinn> so I would try sudo modprobe xircom_tulip_cp
[07:39] <knewt> ooh cool. dpkg-statoverride is nice
[07:40] <Garoboldy> module not found
[07:40] <Garoboldy> hhmm
[07:41] <Garoboldy> can I view the dmesg from console
[07:42] <farruinn> yes
[07:43] <Garoboldy> ok?
[07:45] <farruinn> it should show the stuff that flew by at startup
[07:46] <Garoboldy> oh ok, yeah I was seeing how to get to view it from console
[07:50] <huwr> Do you guys know of any way of installing Ubuntu on a usb flash drive?
[07:50] <huwr> sort of like the LiveCD, only for a flash drive?
[07:52] <RuffianSoldier> whats the console command to copy and paste something?
[07:53] <farruinn> RuffianSoldier, copy and paste something from console to another app?  from one part of file to another?
[07:53] <RuffianSoldier> I mean- copy and paste xfrees config from one place to another
[07:53] <RuffianSoldier> VIA console
[07:53] <farruinn> oh, copy the entire file?  cp foo bar
[07:54] <RuffianSoldier> kk
[07:54] <farruinn> just becareful that you don't overwrite something, because it won't ask
[08:04] <ianh_> can someone help me please
[08:04] <ianh_> PLZ can someone help me?
[08:04] <farruinn> ianh_ try asking a question
[08:05] <ianh_> i am using xnview to view tiff filess
[08:05] <ianh_> farruinn > how can i integrate it into evolution
[08:05] <Synek> hi
[08:06] <farruinn> ianh_, sorry, I don't use evolution or xnview =(
[08:06] <ianh_> how can i associate tiff file to open directly with xnview
[08:08] <ianh_> how can i associate tiff file to open directly with xnview plz
[08:08] <farruinn> ianh_, asking your question twice within the span of two minutes will not get you help any faster
[08:09] <Notos> hello :D
[08:09] <Notos> does any one know how to install a USB ADSL Modem?
[08:10] <Notos> my modem is a SpeedStream 5200 and i ve do a lsusb it was decteted as SS 5200 ?
[08:10] <Notos> ... i mean (!)
[08:18] <punkass_> anyone know of a good howto for making debs?
[08:19] <farruinn> punkass_, I would start by looking for something on debian.org
[08:20] <punkass_> yeah i was there...found lots how to use apt etc just not make packages
[08:20] <farruinn> are you trying to make debs from a debian source package or non-debian source?
[08:21] <punkass_> non-debian.
[08:21] <punkass_> think i found one...ill give it a go
[08:24] <Synek> punkass_: sudo apt-get install dh-make fakeroot, cd to directory with source, ./configure --options-you-want, next DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--options-you-type-before" fakeroot debian/rules binary
[08:24] <Synek> should work in most cases ;)
[08:27] <intinig> is there a way to make a hoary iso with the latest updates?
[08:28] <Gorx> sudo doesn't work :S
[08:28] <Gorx> Or I do not use it correctly :p
[08:29] <intinig> Gorx, sudo command
[08:30] <Gorx> damn it works now what the hell lol
[08:30] <cowbud> rofl
[08:30] <Gorx> intinig you're a wizard thanks you
[08:30] <Gorx> it wasn't working 5 mins ago :p
[08:30] <intinig> Gorx, I just have to think about something and it happens, sometimes I frighten myself
[08:30] <Gorx> :|
[08:31] <punkass_> Synek: thanks..ill give it a go
[08:31] <Gorx> :p thanks to you Wiz and everybody have a goodnight ;) or dayy
[08:31] <Synek> punkass_: no problem, reading a howto won't hurt you anyway ;-)
[08:32] <punkass_> no dont i have to create the rules?
[08:32] <Gorx> And before leaving, what is about mp3 suupport?
[08:32] <punkass_> or it just creates them for me
[08:33] <punkass_> thought there was some file i had to make..that had version, name etc
[08:36] <farruinn> Gorx, have you read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats?
[08:38] <Synek> punkass_: i have a mplayer.deb builded in such way
[08:38] <Gorx> Yes I've read that
[08:39] <Gorx> So I download the oggvorbis thing?
[08:39] <Gorx> and that's all?
[08:39] <ctd> your building mplayer?
[08:40] <Gorx> Eh no
[08:40] <Gorx> (oops nott for me)
[08:41] <Gorx> and what's about reading files on a NTFS partition?
[08:41] <ctd> mount it read-only.
[08:43] <Synek> ctd: well, i've built one :)
[08:45] <__keybuk> *groans* Sangria is *EVIL*
[08:46] <ninj1> anyone else getting a problem (hoary) whereby everything (all filesystems, inc /proc) gets unmounted spuriously - it seems to be at the same time as pppd disconnects
[08:46] <__keybuk> yeah, known bug
[08:47] <__keybuk> though not known why it does it
[08:48] <ninj1> __keybuk: any ideas if it's filed/tracked anywhere?
[08:48] <__keybuk> probably in Bugzilla
[09:00] <abah> why my /dev/sda1 is not exist?
[09:01] <Simira> do you use hoary?
[09:01] <abah> nope..warty
[09:01] <abah> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[09:01] <abah> mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[09:07] <Simira> does anyone know *which* half hours the train leaves Mataro?
[09:07] <Simira> it's like x:45 and x:15, or x:30 and x:00?
[09:08] <ryan> hahahaha
[09:10] <Tsjoklat> avond iedereen
[09:17] <lil_anthony> can someone tell me the command to start and stop ssh server in ubuntu? i looked on google with no luck
[09:17] <farruinn> try /etc/init.d/ssh stop
[09:17] <farruinn> or start
[09:17] <farruinn> maybe even restart
[09:18] <lil_anthony> ok i don't have to do net start sshd?
[09:19] <farruinn> mm, if you have /etc/init.d/ssh it should take care of things for you
[09:19] <lil_anthony> i don't have it
[09:19] <farruinn> have you installed sshd?
[09:19] <lil_anthony> i thougth so i installed openssh
[09:19] <lil_anthony> is it not included with that
[09:19] <farruinn> oh right, that's it
[09:19] <lil_anthony> so its /etc/init.d/openssh?
[09:20] <lil_anthony> sorry i'm new to this trying to figure out how to launch my apps remotely for fun
[09:20] <farruinn> no, should be /etc/init.d/ssh
[09:20] <ctd> /etc/init.d/sshd
[09:20] <farruinn> ctd, I have /etc/init.d/ssh
[09:20] <lil_anthony> file not found
[09:20] <ctd> okay, i could be wrong. ;p
[09:20] <lil_anthony> hmm i just installed it from the repository :(
[09:21] <farruinn> lil_anthony, apt-get install openssh-server
[09:21] <lil_anthony> i did that
[09:21] <abah> argh.. my usb storage doest'nt workkk
[09:21] <lil_anthony> hmm now thats strange
[09:21] <lil_anthony> i did it before and it seemed to have worked oh nevermind i got dependency problems
[09:22] <farruinn> lil_anthony, are you on warty or hoary?
[09:22] <lil_anthony> warty
[09:22] <farruinn> hmm
[09:22] <farruinn> and you got dependency problems?  is apt sorting them out?
[09:23] <lil_anthony> it says errors were encountered while processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openssh-server_blahblahblah.deb
[09:24] <farruinn> do you have some odd repos in your sources.list?
[09:24] <lil_anthony> thought i had the new
[09:24] <lil_anthony> i can open sources.list and check but not sure which ones i'm looking for
[09:25] <farruinn> ok, so you have added other repos, maybe debian repos, to it?
[09:25] <lil_anthony> yes i have had universe
[09:25] <lil_anthony> and things like that
[09:26] <mojo> ehemm, excuse me
[09:26] <mojo> I need a little bit help here
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> ask mojo
[09:26] <mojo> does anyone know how to uninstall RealPlayer/HelixPlayer binary version?
[09:26] <mojo> seems to be a tough question...
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> mojo there is a thread about that on the forums.. have you tried that?
[09:27] <lil_anthony> far i'm gonna run synaptic so i can get a gui to see whats up with this brb
[09:27] <mojo> ...can't find any related info on the Helix forum
[09:27] <mojo> Tsjoklat: can u point me out some URL?
[09:27] <Tsjoklat> mojo hold a sec alrighty
[09:28] <punkass_> ok so i was able to build a deb package..anyone know a trick to get it to stick in a menu item?
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> mojo what I did was d/l the bin chmod it to 755 +X and that's it
[09:28] <lil_anthony> says dbdrive is locked by another process
[09:29] <farruinn> lil_anthony, you must have an apt-get install or something somewhere that hasn't quit
[09:29] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen are you still awake?
[09:29] <lil_anthony> i can look with pgrep can't i?
[09:30] <farruinn> er, sure.  I'd just check my terminals
[09:30] <lil_anthony> nothing running
[09:30] <lil_anthony> in that respect
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> mojo http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=81152
[09:30] <mojo> let me check, thx lad
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> mojo! dangrabbit I am not your lad lol
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> how long will you continue saying that
[09:31] <farruinn> lil_anthony, look for dpkg, apt, dselect, aptitude, or even another instance of synaptic
[09:32] <lil_anthony> i'm looking thanks
[09:33] <lil_anthony> pgrep shows nothing
[09:33] <padlef0t> hello everyone
[09:34] <mojo> Tsjoklat: I can't find any related info in that forum, it's seems to me there is no Uninstall feature in bin version yet
[09:34] <Tsjoklat> mojo you want to uninstall it?
[09:35] <lil_anthony> so there is no way to see what has config.dat locked?
[09:35] <Tsjoklat> lil_anthony try logging out?
[09:36] <mojo> Tsjoklat: yes
[09:36] <Tsjoklat> mojo did you try in that dir in a console make uninstall?
[09:37] <mojo> Tsjoklat: the thing is I want to switch to Debian version, first I need to get rid of the already bin installed version
[09:37] <mojo> Tsjoklat: let me try
[09:37] <Tsjoklat> mojo yeah you do... and what deb version? you mean a deb file or yet another bin?
[09:37] <lil_anthony> ok let me try that
[09:38] <mojo> Tsjoklat: not work at all, I found some guy online debianized the RealPlayer so I intend to switch to their version
[09:39] <Tsjoklat> mojo what do you mean by debianized RP?
[09:39] <mojo> Tsjoklat: ok let me explain, there is no such official Deb
[09:40] <mojo> Tsjoklat: they only provide Bin and RPM
[09:40] <Tsjoklat> mojo yes
[09:40] <BrittMan914> hey guys
[09:40] <BrittMan914> question
[09:40] <BrittMan914> how do i set my IP manually in console
[09:40] <Tsjoklat> ipconfig
[09:41] <padlef0t> ifconfig eth0 *.*.*.* f.ex
[09:41] <BrittMan914> i was gonna say
[09:41] <lil_anthony> this is crazy even after reloggin it still says its locked :(
[09:41] <BrittMan914> ipconfig didnt work
[09:41] <Tsjoklat> lil_anthony did it work?
[09:41] <padlef0t> sudo ifconfig eth0 *.*.*.*
[09:41] <BrittMan914> cool
[09:41] <mojo> Tsjoklat: and yes, do u know how to remove an mime-type Open With.. entries? some entries are unable to remove
[09:41] <Tsjoklat> lil_anthony reboot?
[09:41] <Tsjoklat> mojo properties
[09:41] <BrittMan914> what about like gateway IP
[09:41] <BrittMan914> and DNS
[09:42] <lil_anthony> well i guess i can kill X wouldn't that work?
[09:42] <farruinn> lil_anthony, that's fucked up.  for a fast reboot do a sudo shutdown -f now, then when you get the # just hit ctrl-d
[09:42] <BrittMan914> does it just get that from DHCP
[09:42] <Tsjoklat> BrittMan914 cd /etc/network/interfaces
[09:42] <cef> BrittMan914: if you're trying to do it permanently, look at /etc/network/interfaces (it's a file)
[09:42] <lil_anthony> ok
[09:42] <lil_anthony> let me try and thanks
[09:42] <padlef0t> BrittMan914: try running dhclient
[09:42] <mojo> Tsjoklat: you try, some entries can't be removed!
[09:42] <cef> BrittMan914: also 'man interfaces' is your friend
[09:42] <Tsjoklat> mojo lol I don't need to remove anything you do!
[09:43] <Tsjoklat> BrittMan914 edit the interfaces file to your liking and a modprobe
[09:43] <mojo> Tsjoklat: sigh the gnome-panel has been removed in latest update, now I left with a blank desktop, how sad...
[09:43] <theantix> ubuntu admins: what is the proper procedure if I find a bug for specific hardware and a workaround?  Should I post it to bugzilla, put it on a wiki page, or something else?
[09:43] <padlef0t> BrittMan914: to set a default gateway: route add default gw *.*.*.*
[09:43] <BrittMan914> okay
[09:43] <Tsjoklat> mojo oh yeah I read about that.. heheh sorry
[09:44] <BrittMan914> yeah i dont get this much
[09:44] <cef> theantix: not an ubuntu admin, but that depends on if the bug is an actual hardware bug, or a bug in software somewhere with specific hardware
[09:44] <BrittMan914> um alrigth man interfaces
[09:45] <lil_anthony> geeze finally :)
[09:45] <Tsjoklat> BrittMan914 what is it taht you want to do?
[09:45] <theantix> cef: it's a sort of famous bug with toshiba laptop keyboards that causes key stutters
[09:45] <Tsjoklat> lil_anthony you killed it?
[09:45] <lil_anthony> yeah
[09:45] <BrittMan914> well i am runnign a WWW server on port 80
[09:45] <BrittMan914> and i have a router
[09:45] <lil_anthony> openssh installed now i think
[09:45] <lil_anthony> now to figure this thing out haha
[09:45] <cef> theantix: if it's a real hardware only bug, the wiki is best. if it's like a kernel or tool issue not detecting or mal-detecting hardware, then bugzilla
[09:45] <BrittMan914> I want this computer to have the IP xxx.xxx.xxx.102
[09:45] <cef> theantix: how'd you fix it?
[09:45] <farruinn> lil_anthony, you need openssh-server though
[09:45] <BrittMan914> and it always changes
[09:45] <lil_anthony> yeah thats what i got
[09:45] <BrittMan914> due to DHCP
[09:46] <lil_anthony> apt-get install openssh-server
[09:46] <farruinn> ok
[09:46] <padlef0t> then kill the DHCP
[09:46] <theantix> cef, via a few xkbset commands.  it's a known workaround, but I just want to make it public for ubuntu users to find
[09:46] <padlef0t> killall -9 dhcpcd
[09:46] <padlef0t> :P
[09:46] <lil_anthony> now tell me if this is correct or not i thought all i do now is just go to cygwin and type ssh -l username@hostname
[09:46] <padlef0t> and configure your network manually..
[09:46] <lil_anthony> and then connect and change the display?
[09:47] <padlef0t> BrittMan914: Gnome has a network app for this
[09:47] <BrittMan914> yeah i know that
[09:47] <cef> theantix: well probably wiki is best, but if something can detect those toshi's that have this issue via software, also add it to bugzilla
[09:47] <BrittMan914> probably I shoudl have done that
[09:47] <BrittMan914> just wanted to do it all in txt mode
[09:47] <BrittMan914> bc next time I wont have X installed
[09:48] <lil_anthony> asue its asking for my rpa key now  do you know of a good tutorial for this the man im not really understanding that well :(
[09:48] <BrittMan914> okay so in the interfaces file
[09:48] <BrittMan914> i erase dhcp and add what
[09:48] <BrittMan914> along with my IP
[09:49] <cef> change "dhcp" to "static"
[09:49] <BrittMan914> OH
[09:49] <farruinn> lil_anthony, if it's saying "do you want to connect anyway", just say yes
[09:49] <BrittMan914> then use ifup eth1 xxx.xxx.xxx
[09:49] <BrittMan914> .xxx
[09:49] <BrittMan914> it's late sorry
[09:50] <cef> then on each subsequent line add 'address ip.ip.ip.ip' then 'netmask nn.nn.nn.nn' then 'gateway yy.yy.yy.yy' (replace as appropriate)
[09:50] <cef> one command per line
[09:50] <lil_anthony> cool its working
[09:50] <lil_anthony> i see my linux shell
[09:50] <lil_anthony> via cygwin
[09:50] <lil_anthony> tell me something though
[09:50] <cef> save, then in the shell run 'ifup eth0' and you should be right
[09:51] <lil_anthony> if lets say i add xhost + (your ip address)
[09:51] <lil_anthony> would i be able to login from that ip address with ssh?
[09:51] <lil_anthony> like if i'm at 24.99.11.100 or whatever and want to login to my box that is 55.11.1.1 or so on
[09:52] <farruinn> afaik X11 doesn't have anything to do with it...
[09:52] <lil_anthony> i thought thats what it did youc hange the export display
[09:53] <farruinn> lil_anthony, I think y ou must know more about the actual use of ssh than I do because I have no idea what you're talking about =(
[09:53] <lil_anthony> no probably its the opposite
[09:53] <lil_anthony> i'm probably speaking garbage just going on what i'm reading
[09:54] <lil_anthony> i googled for running x11 applications remotely
[09:54] <lil_anthony> and it has got me this far :)
[09:54] <ctd> use ssh -X
[09:54] <ctd> for X11 forwarding
[09:54] <lil_anthony> ok i seen that but didn't understand so its ssh -X username@host?
[09:54] <ctd> yeap
[09:55] <lil_anthony> k
[09:55] <lil_anthony> tryn now
[09:56] <Simira> *sigh*
[09:56] <lil_anthony> damn firewall
[09:56] <lil_anthony> brb
[09:56] <Simira> time for leaving then...
[09:57] <lil_anthony> error in locking authority file
[09:57] <lil_anthony> is that talking about that key i made?
[10:09] <mojo> Are there anyway to remove mime-type default open program entries that are set 'unremovabled' via Properties?
[10:14] <scizzo> MikeGTN: :)
[10:18] <MikeGTN> hi scizzo
[10:22] <scizzo> MikeGTN: so you are running ubuntu.. :) and not telling me about it! GRR! :)
[10:23] <MikeGTN> scizzo: I've been running it for some time - I'm amazed I didn't mention it before :)
[10:23] <scizzo> MikeGTN: you don't like me anymore...do you.. :P
[10:23] <scizzo> MikeGTN: haha
[10:24] <MikeGTN> scizzo: hehe, well you didn't tell me that YOU were running ubuntu either! :)
[10:24] <scizzo> MikeGTN: oops..
[10:24] <scizzo> MikeGTN: caught me..
[10:24] <spacey`ki> do i break things when i use a 2.4 kernel on ubuntu?
[10:24] <spacey`ki> udev or something?
[10:25] <scizzo> spacey`ki: why would you use a 2.4 kernel?
[10:25] <melazyboy> Is fglrx working with xorg yet?
[10:25] <sabdf1> space`ki: some of the desktop stuff might not work
[10:25] <spacey`ki> its a server:D
[10:25] <sabdf1> alsa, udev, hotplug-auto-mounter
[10:25] <spacey`ki> wanted to test ubuntu on server:)
[10:26] <spacey`ki> so it does not matter
[10:26] <sabdf1> spacey`ki: should be no problem
[10:26] <spacey`ki> but i can stop udev from loading then i guess
[10:26] <sabdf1> just type "custom" at the boot prompt when installing, install base package set, then cherry pick server apps using aptitude
[10:26] <spacey`ki> sabdf1, i'm a step ahead of you =P
[10:26] <spacey`ki> i already have the system installed
[10:27] <spacey`ki> but i'm narrowing down running services. especially if they don't work in 2.4
[10:27] <sabdf1> spacey`ki: that's ok, working with this crowd i'm used to that :-)
[10:27] <spacey`ki> like udev it seems=P
[10:27] <spacey`ki> hehe:)
[10:28] <lil_anthony> cool thanks guys i finally got it working :)
[10:28] <melazyboy> Does anyone know if the problem between fglrx and the newest version of Xorg has been fixed, or if there is anyway to get 3d hardware acceleration working with Xorg?
[10:28] <lil_anthony> pretty neat actually loading applications from linux and it look like its on my other system
[10:31] <cornflake> does anyone know of a howto to compile a custom kernel for ubuntu?
[10:32] <spacey`ki> scizzo, main point for me was that there is no up to date grsecurity patch for 2.6
[10:33] <spacey`ki> i don't feel like patching all the security holes in 2.6.7 manually
[10:33] <mos__> does anyone know of a command line app to resolve the dns of a site and spits its ip back out at me?
[10:33] <Tsjoklat> http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INSTALL-KERNEL-PKG
[10:33] <spacey`ki> mos__, ping works:)
[10:33] <mos__> ah ping will give me the ip?
[10:33] <spacey`ki> sure
[10:33] <scizzo> spacey`ki: aaa..
[10:33] <scizzo> spacey`ki: sorry..hehe
[10:34] <spacey`ki> scizzo, no harm done ;)
[10:34] <mos__> the dns server on my appt's network is soo slow
[10:35] <spacey`ki> use another one
[10:36] <mos__> wish i could
[10:36] <spacey`ki> you can also run some simple dns thingy at your own place
[10:36] <lamont_r> mos__: either host or dig
[10:36] <mos__> spacey`ki: what would i need to do to set that up
[10:38] <spacey`ki> not sure because i'm not in dns stuff but i think its called caching dns. and most dns servers kan do that. and i think there are a few small ones which do just that
[10:39] <zenlunatic> cornflake look in the linux documentation project. they have instructions how to compile a kernel there.
[10:41] <cornflake> Tsjoklat: thanx
[10:41] <tranceConscious> hello everyone
[10:42] <tranceConscious> need some help...
[10:42] <Tsjoklat> cornflake make sure you got bzip2 and module-init tools installed... doesn't say on the page
[10:42] <scizzo> tranceConscious: ask the question
[10:42] <mos__> dont ask to ask a question just ask it
[10:43] <tranceConscious> I downloaded warty-release-install-amd64.iso yesterday at my office computer.
[10:43] <tranceConscious> opened it with magiciso and extracted all the files to a temp dir just to check that it is not corrupt.
[10:43] <tranceConscious> then I tried burning it with nero and nero repeatedly hanged
[10:44] <cornflake> Tsjoklat: well... it's compiling now... so i'll just find out in an hour...
[10:44] <mos__> tranceConscious: why didnt you just check the md5
[10:44] <tranceConscious> eventually I used magiciso to burn it
[10:44] <nir-> hello
[10:44] <tranceConscious> when I took it home, the cd would not boot
[10:44] <tranceConscious> what can I do???
[10:44] <tranceConscious> how do you md5 check files in windows?
[10:45] <nir-> how i can set an ADSL connection .. is there any adsl-setup script ?
[10:45] <scizzo> tranceConscious: are you actually telling the system to boot from CD?
[10:45] <tranceConscious> yes
[10:45] <scizzo> tranceConscious: tried using a boot disk?
[10:45] <mos__> mirc can do it with //echo $md5(filename) or somthing like that
[10:45] <tranceConscious> no
[10:46] <padlef0t> i hate this country
[10:46] <padlef0t> cold freezing hell
[10:46] <scizzo> tranceConscious: could you  try that?
[10:46] <padlef0t> my weather forecast said "Freezing Fog" today..
[10:46] <mos__> haha
[10:46] <tranceConscious> where can I get the boot disk from. is it somewhere on the warty-release-install-amd64.iso cd?
[10:46] <nir-> hello... how i can setup an adsl connection in ubuntu ?
[10:46] <padlef0t> no wonder we have the highest usage of anti-depresive drugs..
[10:47] <mos__> its a little cool out right now here (78F)
[10:47] <padlef0t> nir-: have you installed ubuntu?
[10:47] <nir-> yes
[10:47] <padlef0t> and it didnt work on its own?
[10:48] <nir-> nope
[10:48] <nir-> its should be automatic ?
[10:48] <scizzo> tranceConscious: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[10:48] <padlef0t> there is a network app in Gnome, where you can manually configure it..
[10:48] <scizzo> tranceConscious: look at that...maybe you can get some ideas from that
[10:48] <padlef0t> nir-: are you sure your ethernet card is probed?
[10:48] <nir-> yes
[10:49] <padlef0t> sudo ifconfig
[10:49] <scizzo> padlef0t: Computer -> System Configuration -> Network
[10:49] <nir-> its connected to the modem and i was able to ping the modem
[10:49] <padlef0t> see what it says
[10:49] <padlef0t> okay..
[10:49] <trs80> does a pxelinux file for amd64 exist?
[10:49] <padlef0t> try route add default gw ip.to.the.router
[10:49] <nir-> isnt there any script that lets me do it manualy ?
[10:49] <scizzo> padlef0t: if you want to look at things in the terminal look in /etc/network/
[10:50] <padlef0t> scizzo: thanks, i know..
[10:50] <scizzo> padlef0t: sorry.. :)
[10:50] <padlef0t> :P
[10:50] <tranceConscious> scizzo: thanx man, I'll check it out...
[10:50] <scizzo> tranceConscious: :) np
[10:50] <scizzo> padlef0t: hey...its friday...take a coffee and be happy.. ;)
[10:51] <padlef0t> hehe, my damn school doesnt have any..
[10:51] <nir-> can i d/l adsl-config script from the net and put it on usr/bin ?
[10:51] <padlef0t> and they force us into using College Linux
[10:51] <padlef0t> :P
[10:51] <padlef0t> damn restricted
[10:52] <padlef0t> thanx for caring though scizzo :)
[10:52] <padlef0t> see you around!
[10:52] <padlef0t> im off..
[10:54] <scizzo> padlef0t: well..I am working with Solaris so... :P
[10:55] <jessta_> 
[11:00] <netmonk> does anyone have an idea why when i copy files to a usb flash memory it shows me that the files are on the flash drive but when I plug it on another computer the files are not there?
[11:01] <mjr> Unmount before unplugging
[11:01] <scizzo> mjr was faster then me
[11:03] <netmonk> mjr, thanks a lot, it works now :)))
[11:09] <D3vic3> anyone know if there is SD mem card support in linux ?
[11:10] <D3vic3> I want to use my built in SD reader with ubuntu
[11:11] <HcE> D3vic3: mass storage device?
[11:11] <HcE> my CF reader works good in Linux general
[11:11] <mjr> depends on the reader really
[11:11] <mjr> but most should work
[11:12] <mjr> if not all
[11:24] <D3vic3> hmm
[11:24] <D3vic3> what device type does it becomes
[11:24] <D3vic3> ?
[11:24] <D3vic3> I have an Hp pavilion
[11:25] <D3vic3> dunno what chipset the SD reader is
[11:25] <mjr> ide, usb, whatever
[11:25] <mjr> try if lsusb sees it
[11:34] <D3vic3> hmm
[11:34] <D3vic3> its built in
[11:34] <D3vic3> don't think it can be usb
[11:37] <spacey`ki> argh why isn't vsftpd compiled agianst openssl
[11:39] <BockBilbo> hello
[11:40] <BockBilbo> anyone here can tell me how to modify the default access point when booting the system (ubuntu)?
[11:40] <spacey`ki> access point?
[11:41] <BockBilbo> hehe.. wireless question spacey'ki
[11:41] <spacey`ki> aah =P
[11:41] <cef> so you want to choose which essid/wireless profile to connect to at boot?
[11:42] <BockBilbo> yes
[11:42] <BockBilbo> cause it connects to the wrong one
[11:42] <cef> the default settings are probably stored in /etc/network/interfaces (or they can be, haven't used ubuntu with wireless yet)
[11:43] <BockBilbo> i tried that
[11:43] <cef> but selecting one from a list at boot isn't really supported yet
[11:43] <BockBilbo> but it says that the wireless config is saved in the wireless-tool
[11:43] <BockBilbo> or smthing like that
[11:43] <cef> ahh then thru the gnome stuff
[11:44] <BockBilbo> cef... the gnome stuff doesnt work properly for my wireless
[11:44] <BockBilbo> :S
[11:44] <BockBilbo> its really wierd
[11:44] <BockBilbo> ... i need to do it via xterm
[11:45] <cef> haven't got wireless on my ubuntu system, sorry. will have when I get my new lappy, but till then...*sigh*
[11:46] <BockBilbo> thanks anyways cef
[11:46] <BockBilbo> do you know anyone who might know how to fix this problem?
[11:53] <terraces> Hi. Someone tried a packaged way to install php5 on ubuntu ? (as dotdeb)
[11:57] <jessta_> BockBilbo: I'm still a noob, but couldn't you write some sort of bash script to change the wifi config file and make it run at boot.
[11:58] <BockBilbo> jessta_, well... im a noob to.. but thats not my problem actually, wifi  boots at boot
[11:58] <BockBilbo> the problem is that it connects to a wrong access point..
[11:59] <mirak_> there is a huge bug
[11:59] <mirak_> I don't know where it comes from
[11:59] <mirak_> ubuntu lose all the mounts
[11:59] <mirak_> I mean mount consider they are unmounted
[11:59] <mirak_> so I can't laucnh new apps
[12:00] <mojo> hey hey ppl
[12:00] <mojo> GOOD NEWS!
[12:00] <mojo> new RealPlayer 10.02 now run on Debian
[12:01] <mojo> they just fixed the swf issue
[12:01] <mojo> now all Ubuntu users can enjoy RealVideo!
[12:01] <bob2> well, ones on i386
[12:01] <bob2> mojo: it's a known bug, but remember hoary is the *development* branch
[12:02] <oscarh> mirak, try a reboot
[12:02] <mirak_> nobody have a problem with the filesystem distached ?
[12:02] <mirak_> oscarh: it works after a reboot
[12:02] <oscarh> mirak, i've had, one
[12:02] <bob2> mirak_: 21:01:55           bob2 | mojo: it's a known bug, but remember hoary is the *development* branch
[12:02] <oscarh> ince
[12:02] <mirak_> oscarh: but it's not the first time it hapopens
[12:02] <bob2> you don' need to reboot
[12:02] <bob2> you just need to remount them
[12:02] <oscarh> mirak, never seen it again
[12:02] <mirak_> bob2: remount wasn't enough
[12:03] <mirak_> I couldn't relog back
[12:03] <bob2> yes it is
[12:03] <bob2> how did you try to remount it?
[12:03] <mirak_> I couldn't relog to gnome
[12:03] <mirak_> mount -a
[12:03] <jessta_> BockBilbo: I was thinking of a script that could change the ESSID in the wifi config file.
[12:03] <bob2> yes, that's not enough
[12:03] <bob2> you need to manually remount it, since mtab gets screwed up
[12:03] <mirak_> what must I do ?
[12:04] <BockBilbo> ok jessta_ ill try that if i see no way of changin the main config
[12:04] <BockBilbo> ;)
[12:04] <bob2> remove /proc/, /sys and /devpts from /etc/mtab, then try 'sudo mount -a'
[12:04] <mirak_> bob2: mtab ?
[12:04] <bob2> yes
[12:05] <Kinnison> sudo mount /proc
[12:05] <Kinnison> sudo mount /sys
[12:05] <Kinnison> sudo mount -a
[12:06] <teo> hi
[12:07] <d3niz> deniz
[12:18] <siimo> how do i check if my swap partition is working?
[12:18] <OldPlanet> Now i have set up fstab to mount some partitions. It is working fine, but icons to the partitions appear on my desktop. How can i avoid that?
[12:21] <siimo> OldPlanet, when you mount it it appears on desktop
[12:22] <OldPlanet> IS there no way i can avoid it?
[12:22] <siimo> OldPlanet, unmount the partition ?
[12:22] <cef> OldPlanet: tried right clicking on the desktop icon? there might be a setting there
[12:23] <cef> siimo: he wants the partition mounted, but he doesn't want the icon there
[12:23] <OldPlanet> I have tried, can't see anything.
[12:23] <Tomcat_> OldPlanet: Where are you mounting? In /mnt ?
[12:23] <OldPlanet> yes
[12:24] <Tomcat_> OldPlanet: Then try mounting somewhere else. :)
[12:24] <Tomcat_> I think /mnt is being watched by gnome. .o
[12:24] <OldPlanet> ah, thankyou :)
[12:25] <cef> OldPlanet: might also look at the removable storage stuff in the system config section
[12:27] <root__> ls
[12:27] <root__> doh!
[12:28] <floppy_za> hi
[12:28] <siimo> root__, why you in irc as root?
[12:30] <root__> doh!
[12:30] <jessta_> lol
[12:32] <Synek> hehe
[12:32] <Synek> It's strange then he can actually connect to ircserv as root ;)
[12:35] <_mage_work> hey
[12:36] <_mage_work> I'm having some trouble with CPU scaling on my 570E laptop
[12:39] <tux> friend has a pcmcia 56k modem
[12:39] <tux> what would it normally show up as ?
[12:40] <mjr> well, when I was using those they showed up as regular serial ports
[12:40] <mjr> but in these winmodem days, I don't know
[12:40] <tux> well its a pcmcia , it works in other laptops
[12:40] <tux> under linux of course
[12:40] <tux> so ttyS0
[12:40] <tux> hmm
[12:41] <tux> cardmgr and cardinfo shows the pcmcia found anyways
[12:41] <mjr> yes, it should be ttyS? then
[12:42] <mjr> it's possible there may be some I/O area and IRQ issues, but it's been a while
[12:43] <tux> does gnome 2.8 allow for cross compiling kde apps in general
[12:43] <tux> or just for ubuntu>
[12:43] <tux> ?
[12:44] <mjr> what do you mean by cross compiling?
[12:44] <tux> well im running kppp now on gnome 2.8
[12:44] <tux> without kde installed etc..
[12:44] <mjr> if you're asking if it's possible to compile kde apps while running gnome, of course it is
[12:44] <tux> in general one can do it ?
[12:45] <mjr> ok, so you mean running KDE apps under Gnome
[12:45] <mjr> not compiling
[12:45] <mjr> and yes, it's generally possible
[12:46] <mjr> luckily, they've agreed on some standards also, so you may be able to do stuff like drag'n'drop between kde and gnome apps also (ooh, aah! :)
[12:46] <arthur> tux, but compiling apps is possible too. i use gentoo too, and i just have k3b qt app, no fully kde, and k3b works from gnome
[12:46] <tux> nice
[12:46] <tux> does kde allow gnome to compile too i suppose
[12:47] <mjr> are you sure you know what "compile" means?
[12:47] <mjr> 'cause I'm not
[12:51] <arv> I wonder if this is a frequent problem, I dont see it on the web though. I tried installing 4.10  (warty) and the system prompts me (press enter or press the function keys) I tried all combinations (linux, expert) but it keeps restarting..
[12:51] <arv> anyone can help ?
[12:52] <mjr> weird; no ideas :I
[12:52] <arv> I also tried passing arguments like noacpi, pci=noacpi, noapic, nolapic, etc
[12:52] <mjr> (except "check your cd")
[12:53] <arv> oh..
[12:53] <arv> yep, I will run a md5 on it and see. I will come back later if there is no problem with md5 wither.
[12:53] <arv> thanks.
[01:02] <agenteo> when I print from gimp I get a lot of pages with %!PS-Adobe-3.0
[01:02] <agenteo> printing from openoffice is fine
[01:16] <agenteo> thanks
[01:17] <warty> hi
[01:34] <mojo> my friend at Adobe just leak out an info (not sure real or not), he said Adobe is developing new Adobe Arcobat Reader based on Qt (so sad, I want a GTK GUI)
[01:39] <arthur> mojo, qt sux!!
[01:44] <mojo> arthur: qt now is better than GTK, but in the future GTK will beat Qt for sure, I hate Qt for it over-complicated, GTK is neater
[01:48] <arthur> mojo, i don't like qt-look, qt don't have a lot of bindings like gtk, and qt takes soooome more time to compile (i guess it's c++)
[01:49] <mojo> arthur: THEORECTICALLY, Qt is EASIER to program (due to it Object Orientation),
[01:49] <mojo> arthur: I think the main reason that large company choose Qt b/c of its manageable, OO, smart C++
[01:50] <mojo> arthur: GTK is still young, and not yet trusted by large companies, I reckon
[01:53] <Kamion> large companies like Sun and Novell?
[01:55] <topyli> maybe adobe wants to do proprietary "extensions" or whatever to the toolkit, so they want to buy a license from trolltech
[01:55] <mojo> hey
[01:55] <mojo> has anyone here tried Cedega 4.2?
[01:55] <arthur> topyli, hmm...could be that
[01:55] <arthur> mojo, if it runs the sims2, i'll give it a try... :D
[01:55] <arthur> hehe
[01:56] <mojo> but it runs WoW
[01:56] <topyli> i'll buy anything that would run worms armageddon
[01:57] <mojo> lol
[01:57] <topyli> hell, i dual booted for a long time just to be able to play WA :)
[01:58] <mjr> there seems to be a factual misunderstanding of gtk in play also; gtk is very object oriented
[01:58] <mojo> topyli: WA is ...well FUN?
[01:58] <mjr> I'm not commenting on which is easier to program, but OO isn't a valid reason for Qt being so ;)
[01:58] <topyli> mojo: it's windows98's killer app
[01:59] <mojo> mjr: really? I though GTK is pure C which is non-OO?
[01:59] <mjr> actually, let me comment on that it's perverse to program applications in C, and therefore C shouldn't be used for gtk application development either. One should use one of the saner language bindings like python ;)
[01:59] <Kamion> mojo: dude, you can do OO in C
[02:00] <Kamion> mojo: C just doesn't *force* OO
[02:00] <mjr> (and, of course, for the perverse C++ fan, there's gtkmm too)
[02:00] <mjr> yes; OO is a technique, which may or may not be spesifically supported by the language, but which may be utilized in non-supporting languages as well
[02:00] <arthur> mojo, man, i have just linux in my house, but i was to install xp, just to play with sim2 (i see one friend playing, and want's too!!).;... it's cedega installable by apt?
[02:00] <mjr> gtk uses the glib class/object model
[02:01] <mojo> arthur: no, it's not FREE
[02:01] <mojo> arthur: I will try Sim2
[02:01] <mojo> arthur: if it works, I'll tell u
[02:01] <mjr> and yes, it is also quite perverse to program OO stuff with C, but that's what said bindings are there for ;)
[02:01] <arthur> mojo, ok!
[02:01] <mojo> mjr: I c
[02:01] <mojo> mjr: but the thing is GTK doesn't have good and complete IDE like Qt
[02:02] <arthur> mojo, i agree with that... Glade hates me.. hehehe
[02:02] <topyli> VisualGTK+
[02:02] <Kamion> OO isn't necessarily fundamentally easier to program in either; that's a property of the code quality, not of the model; there're lots of very bad OO libraries out there
[02:02] <mjr> *shrug* may be true, but Glade + favourite editor is good enough ;)
[02:03] <mjr> but it is true that for the IDE fan, integrating Glade better with Anjuta would be nice, and hopefully they'll get it done sooner or later
[02:03] <mojo> mjr: totally agree
[02:04] <arthur> topyli, VisualGTK is commercial, isn't?
[02:05] <topyli> arthur: didn't know it existed. actually i was hoping it doesn't ;)
[02:05] <arthur> tolle, hah.... i googled for it...
[02:05] <arthur> http://linuxberg.matrix.com.br/system/preview/10078.html
[02:05] <topyli> arthur: just a "derived work" of VB :)
[02:06] <topyli> arthur: omg. it is alive!
[02:06] <mojo> freeking hell!
[02:06] <mojo> VisualGTK+, it's fake I think
[02:08] <topyli> the home page doesn't exist
[02:08] <arthur> topyli, yeah... :(
[02:09] <arthur> something like that would be nice....
[02:09] <arthur> maybe this will broke some bindings...
[02:10] <topyli> there's visual tcl :)
[02:13] <arthur> mojo, http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3284 :O
[02:22] <Burgundavia_> anybody got a good synonym of presentation?
[02:23] <nirr> hello.. anyone can help me with network conf ?
[02:26] <Burgundavia_> nirr, what do you need help with?
[02:26] <nirr> i can't connect to the net with my ubunto .. iv got here an output of my network conf .. can i show it to you ?
[02:26] <Burgundavia_> sure
[02:29] <fsmw> why i can set up cups using my web browser? always is asking for a user an password
[02:29] <jdub> fsmw: use the printing dialogue instead
[02:30] <fsmw> hi jdub, i hope to se you again in the next guadec
[02:30] <fsmw> btw the dialog doesn't work
[02:30] <fsmw> at least i can't print in another ipp printer
[02:32] <fsmw> why cups is asking me a user and password?
[02:32] <fsmw> in other distros i use root and its password but here doesn't work
[02:32] <rapha> Hey, when is Hoary scheduled to be released?
[02:36] <fsmw> jdub, i get this error on gnome-cups-manager
[02:36] <fsmw> Imprimiendo: Unable to get printer status (client-error-forbidden)!
[02:39] <Q-FUNK> Can I paste about 5 lines of errors that procps gives me during installation?
[02:39] <nirr> i need help with pppoe conf
[02:39] <nirr> anyone can help me ?
[02:42] <arthur> nirr, what's ur problem?
[02:43] <nirr> intalled the ethernet card/pppoe(with pppoeconf) .. but still the network aint working ..
[02:44] <nirr> iv got here the network conf output .. can i paste it to you ?
[02:47] <fsmw> any idea using cups?
[02:47] <arthur> nirr, please
[02:51] <fsmw> Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing.
[02:51] <fsmw> is there a way to avoid this?
[02:52] <arthur> fsmw, try settying an root password, and when cups ask u, pass it... but i really sugest u to use printing option from system config
[03:01] <tranceConscious> I'm having trouble booting off the warty-release-install-amd64.iso...
[03:01] <tranceConscious> I open the iso with magiciso and extract all files to a temp folder [and works fine] 
[03:02] <tranceConscious> but I can't boot from that cd...
[03:02] <tranceConscious> I haven't md5 checked it though.
[03:02] <tranceConscious> how do i do it in windows???
[03:03] <tranceConscious> [i've also tried the smartboot floppy and when I choose to boot from the cd it says that there is no operating system] 
[03:03] <tranceConscious> can someone help???
[03:04] <Tomcat_> tranceConscious: You have to burn the ISO directly, without extracting the files from the ISO first.
[03:05] <tranceConscious> I know. I've done that. I just extract the files, to see if i get a crc error or something cause I don't know how to sfv check the file
[03:06] <kent> tranceConscious, can you boot from other cd's?
[03:06] <tranceConscious> yes
[03:06] <tranceConscious> I think it's the iso's problem with downloading. How do I check md5 in windows???
[03:13] <tranceConscious> well i think i got it....
[03:13] <tranceConscious> the md5 sums don't match.
[03:13] <tranceConscious> that must be the case...
[03:13] <tranceConscious> damn, I have to redownload...
[03:35] <Lilalfyalien> hi can anyone help me with setting up k3b?
[03:35] <Zoohouse> hello everyone
[03:35] <Zoohouse> I want to install KDE but i only see KDE 3.1 in the symatic while it has KDE3.2 extras...
[03:36] <jdub> Zoohouse: 3.3.2 should be available soon :)
[03:37] <Zoohouse> jdub: how sooon?
[03:37] <BockBilbo> hell
[03:37] <jdub> Zoohouse: patience :)
[03:37] <BockBilbo> how do i make ubuntu do do some actions whn booting?
[03:38] <BockBilbo> i want it to execute some commands i always have to type by myself in the shell
[03:38] <BockBilbo> ...
[03:38] <BockBilbo> anyone can tell me??
[03:38] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, what commands?
[03:38] <BockBilbo> iwconfig commands
[03:39] <BockBilbo> and a dhclient command
[03:39] <pindacko> could anyone help I am trying to connect to irc.uicn.net in xchat but I don't know how . First time with xchat
[03:39] <Gwildor|Work> oh.....no idea then...sorry
[03:39] <BockBilbo> in order to make the wireless work
[03:39] <BockBilbo> but.. i guess is a normal command
[03:39] <Gwildor|Work> pindacko, /connect irc.uicn.net
[03:39] <BockBilbo> Gwildor|Work, how would you do for a usual command?
[03:39] <BockBilbo> like xinetd for example???
[03:40] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, i thought maybe it was just apps you wanted to start
[03:40] <Zoohouse> well i guess ill use  xfce in the meantime
[03:40] <Zoohouse> ill give that a run
[03:40] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, then you can just start all of the apps you want to load on startup, and save session when you log out
[03:40] <BockBilbo> Gwildor|Work, i know that...
[03:40] <BockBilbo> but they are no apps...
[03:41] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, can you help me?
[03:41] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, but i didint know that you knew that............sorry :)
[03:41] <BockBilbo> hehe ;)
[03:43] <Zoohouse> pindacko: just use the /server command
[03:43] <catdog> ll
[03:43] <Zoohouse> pindacko: try: /server irc.uicn.net
[03:44] <pindacko> where do I put the info under server list?
[03:44] <Zoohouse> you can do it in this very window if you'll like
[03:44] <Zoohouse> or you can do it on the server window
[03:45] <pindacko> thanks
[03:45] <Zoohouse> or you can go to X-chat and bring up the list
[03:45] <Lilalfyalien> can anyone help with k3b?
[03:45] <Zoohouse> if you bring up the list you can connect to more then one server at a time
[03:45] <pindacko> thanks
[03:51] <word_virus> Gnew to Gnome - Does "Move to Wastebasket" mean deleted, or do I have to empty the thing? And if so, where is it?
[03:51] <catdog> BockBilbo: I guess you could place a script in /etc/rcS.d (have a look at /etc/rcS.d/README). I've not done it and I don't know if it's sensible though :)
[03:53] <oly> hi, i have set a few apps to auto start anyway to make them auto start on the second monitor ?
[03:55] <wood1> Hello everybody
[03:56] <wood1> How can I extract a zipped RAR file in Ubuntu Linux
[03:57] <catdog> wood1: have you tried opening the first file of the archive with nautilus?
[03:57] <bob2> people zip up .rar files?
[03:57] <bob2> warez kiddies are on crack
[03:57] <wood1> Yes I have tried that
[03:57] <wood1> It does not work
[03:58] <catdog> wood1: oh, zipped. Sorry I didn't see that bit
[03:59] <Burgundavia_> wood1, have you tired file archiver?
[03:59] <wood1> Ok
[03:59] <Burgundavia_> tried that is. tired is me
[04:02] <Orvil> is it possible to install ubuntu with a usb keyring for booting, and install from the iso files on another media?
[04:04] <intinig|work> I upgraded my warty with nVidia-glx to hoary
[04:04] <intinig|work> and it "boom"
[04:04] <intinig|work> :)
[04:04] <thenuke> hmm, I wonder how I could enable somekind of cpu-idle in ubuntu
[04:04] <intinig|work> I had to remove nvidia-glx
[04:04] <intinig|work> and dpkg-reconfigure to let it run ok
[04:04] <intinig|work> is there a way to have the nvidia driver on hoary with xorg?
[04:04] <thenuke> I think that it is some kernel-related thing? and think also that 2.6x kernel knows how to dit
[04:04] <thenuke> do it
[04:04] <bob2> if you're using 2.6.9, there weren't linux-restricted modules for it yet
[04:05] <bob2> thenuke: no, the non-free binary-only nvidia module is not part of the kernel
[04:06] <wezzer_> umm, is there any possibility to change the default soundcard?
[04:06] <wezzer_> there is no alsaconf in ubuntu
[04:06] <thenuke> bob2: oh. and I do not have nforce or anything
[04:06] <bob2> thenuke: ok
[04:06] <bob2> wezzer_: there's no neat way...the simplest is to blacklist the loading of the other modules in hotplug, I guess
[04:06] <bob2> wezzer_: there's a page on the wiki about it
[04:06] <thenuke> bob2: do you happen to know if I am able to do that anyways?
[04:06] <wezzer_> yea, I red that wikipage
[04:06] <wezzer_> too bad :|
[04:07] <bob2> thenuke: do what?
[04:07] <thenuke> bob2: cpu-idling :)
[04:07] <bob2> thenuke: oh, oops, sorry
[04:07] <wezzer_> because I need 2 soundcards and I'd like to mark the another one as a default
[04:08] <Burgundavia_> #join wikipedia
[04:12] <wood1> Hello anybody, I have a problem extracting a Zipped RAR file in Archive Manager
[04:14] <bob2> thenuke: sorry, got completely confused what you were talking about.  by default you should have powernowd installed by default
[04:14] <Burgundavia_> wood1, open in with applications-->accessories-->archive manager
[04:14] <Burgundavia_> it with
[04:14] <bob2> wezzer_: you can just change the load order
[04:14] <thenuke> bob2: ok :I
[04:15] <wood1> Burgundavia, Archive Manager can't extract the Zipped RAR file
[04:15] <thenuke> "It sits in the background and changes CPU speed in configurable "steps" according to usage."  I think that it is not possible to change speed of barton cpus
[04:15] <Burgundavia_> huh?
[04:15] <Burgundavia_> can I download this file and give it a try?
[04:16] <thenuke> in windows I use software which send somekind of idle or nop commands to cpu
[04:17] <wood1> Archive Manager displays: /bin/sh: line 1: unrar: command not found
[04:17] <Gwildor|Work> wood1, would unzip <packagename> work?
[04:17] <wood1> I will try it now
[04:17] <umarmung> wood1, do you have unrar installed?
[04:18] <wood1> No I have not installed it
[04:18] <wood1> How do I install it:   apt-get install unrar   ???
[04:18] <umarmung> then do it, it's in mutliverse
[04:19] <wood1> Thanks umarmung, it's now installing
[04:20] <wood1> Ok Zippied RAR files can only be extracted if the "unrar" program is installed
[04:22] <wood1> I am downloading a movie. It has a total size of 625 MB. Now I have to download some 50 zipped RAR files for that single movie. How do I merge all the different zipped RAR files to get the Movie in just 1 big file
[04:23] <Gwildor|Work> wood1, was that from a torrent?
[04:24] <wood1> No just simple downloading from Firefox
[04:24] <catdog> wood1: It should happen automatically - put all the files in the same directory and open the first RAR file in nautilus.
[04:24] <wood1> How do I merge all the different zipped RAR files into a single RAR file or the original movie file itself ?
[04:25] <wood1> Oh I see
[04:25] <intinig|work> does nvidia-glx work with xorg?
[04:26] <VE> hi
[04:29] <Synek> hi
[04:31] <Gwildor|Work> hi
[04:32] <bob2> thenuke: the kernel will run nops if it's not doing naything else
[04:33] <thenuke> hmm. I'll have to recheck then the temperatures from bios
[04:33] <thenuke> or might I find them somewhere from /var or was it /proc
[04:35] <borka> hey, anyone knows ho to get an NEC ND2500A to work in 4.10?
[04:39] <borka> hmm, anyone?
[04:42] <rapha> Maybe you should tell anyone, what a NEC ND2500A is?
[04:42] <borka> A dvd burner.. (ide)
[04:44] <borka> I'm sure someone has the same problem..
[04:44] <DeviantDog> hi all
[04:45] <Synek> hi
[04:45] <Gwildor|Work> hi
[04:45] <DeviantDog> after upgrading to hoary I'm getting xserver already running in display 0:0?  I've already removed xfree and upgraded to xorg, what can cause this?
[04:46] <Ribs> DeviantDog: upgrade gdm
[04:46] <DeviantDog> It doesn't get upgraded when I performed apt-get upgrade?
[04:47] <Ribs> kill all instances of x servers
[04:47] <Ribs> then do sudo /etc/init.d/xdm stop
[04:47] <Ribs> then run startx
[04:47] <Ribs> then look at gdm in synaptic
[04:47] <Ribs> then upgrade or reinstall gdm
[04:47] <Ribs> that fixed it here.
[04:47] <socomm> anyone how to cat a string to a file?
[04:47] <DeviantDog> ah thank you very much! Ribs!
[04:47] <Ribs> You're welcome
[04:50] <borka> hmm, again, somebody that can help me get my nec nd2500a dvd burner to work? I really need it..
[04:50] <catdog> echo "string" >> file
[04:51] <socomm> catdog: Thanks.
[04:52] <andreasvc> hello
[04:52] <Gwildor|Work> hi
[04:52] <bob2> borka: try asking on the lise
[04:52] <Synek> borka: try #linux, maybe it's not a ubuntu-related problem
[04:52] <Synek> ;)
[04:53] <borka> ok.. I look thanks..
[04:53] <andreasvc> can anyone tell me if I should buy 256 MB or 512 MB? it's for a mobo with only 1 mem slot
[04:53] <andreasvc> I'll run Ubuntu on it, without swap
[04:53] <bob2> then 512 if you can afford it
[04:53] <Ribs> always buy as much as you can afford
[04:54] <bob2> erm, I'd have some swap
[04:54] <tvon|x31> Anyone getting an error dialog when logging into Hoary about "language en_US does not exist, using system default" (or similar)?
[04:54] <andreasvc> I will boot from network, that's why no swap
[04:55] <tvon|x31> andreasvc: 512 will perform significantly better I think
[04:55] <andreasvc> since 512 is exactly twice as expensive as 256 I thought I shouldn't do it if it's not really necessary
[04:55] <tvon|x31> 256 will run
[04:56] <andreasvc> yeah I've had it running OK for some time, but I have no idea if 512 would improve anything
[04:56] <wood1> How do I remove the CD Player from the Applications>Multimedia ?
[04:57] <bob2> you'll have a lot of trouble with gnome in 256 and no swap
[04:57] <bob2> I would guess things will start getting killed
[04:57] <tvon|x31> 512 would improve a lot
[04:59] <wood1> Can somebody tell me which programs I can remove safely from Ubuntu's Synaptic or by using: apt-get remove   ???
[05:00] <Ribs> wood1: ones you don't use
[05:01] <andreasvc> ehh... until now I've had NO trouble running 256, and right now I even have 192. 192 is a little slow though :)
[05:01] <bob2> andreasvc: with no swap?
[05:01] <bob2> and gnome?
[05:01] <andreasvc> yes
[05:01] <andreasvc> root over NFS
[05:01] <wood1> Well I have to my knowledge removed all the programs that I don't need
[05:01] <bob2> wow
[05:02] <andreasvc> I have Gaim, Epiphany with a few tabs, gnome-terminal and xchat open...
[05:02] <Ribs> heh, Epiphany
[05:02] <andreasvc> memory: 84% in use (out of 192 MB)
[05:02] <wood1> What I need is some information about system programs which can be removed safely linke LVM, etc ?
[05:03] <socomm> wood1: Bash.
[05:03] <socomm> wood1: Just kidding.
[05:03] <bob2> socomm: please don't give bad advice, even as a joke
[05:03] <Ribs> andreasvc: Don't try to understand Linux memory use
[05:03] <Ribs> It will always be close to 100% when it can be
[05:03] <socomm> bob2: S/He can always use a different shell.
[05:03] <Ribs> regardless of you having 64mb or 2gb
[05:04] <andreasvc> yeah I've noticed
[05:04] <bob2> socomm: no, if they manage to remove it, their system will not boot anymore
[05:04] <Ribs> andreasvc: You only need to worry when swap is being used a lot
[05:04] <andreasvc> so that's why I thought hopefully some people could tell me if it's really that important to have 512
[05:04] <thenuke> andreasvc: I have 512megs of ram, no programs opened by myself, and I had 2 megs of free ram :)  I tried opening open office, and then I had ~200megs of free ram with that open office running :)
[05:04] <bob2> thenuke: you know about disk cache, right?
[05:05] <andreasvc> there exists swap over NFS, so I could even enable that...
[05:05] <thenuke> bob2: as far as I remember,  it did not use swap
[05:05] <socomm> thenuke: OO is a memory hog.
[05:05] <wood1> So any system programs which I can remove safely
[05:05] <bob2> thenuke: right, but the reason 98% of ram was in use is because the kernel is storing files in memory in case you use them again
[05:05] <wood1> I am very tight on this PC with Ubuntu
[05:05] <thenuke> socomm: I had 2megs of free ram WITHOUT open office running, when started it, I got 200megs of free ram
[05:05] <teo> hey, did anybody got this with the las OpenOffice update? http://fotos.eltridente.org/screenshots/20041210.png?width=1024
[05:05] <thenuke> so it did not eat put free the memory ;)
[05:05] <teo> just to file a bug or not
[05:05] <socomm> wood1: Well you can get rid of postfix, assuming you don't run a mail server.
[05:06] <socomm> wood1: You can also remove cups, assuming you don't have any printing needs.
[05:07] <socomm> You can remove GNOME, and install a smaller WM like FluxBox or XFCE.
[05:07] <socomm> There's tons of stuff you can remove to save HDD space.
[05:08] <wood1> If I remove postfix, I also remove ubuntu-base
[05:08] <wood1> that's what I got
[05:08] <wood1> from:   apt-get remove postfix
[05:08] <socomm> wood1: Dunno about that.
[05:09] <cpark> Hey all, I'm running Warty and I wanted to set up a printer (IBM Network24) but I don't have the driver for it on my Ubuntu box, and I'm not sure how to get it.
[05:09] <socomm> cpark: http://www.linuxprinting.org
[05:09] <andreasvc> one could install a different mailserver, wich is lighter
[05:10] <socomm> Or go without one, if your mail provider provides both smtp and pop/imap.
[05:10] <cpark> socomm: They don't appear to have any drivers for the Network 24...at least not listed under IBM. Should I be looking under a make other than IBM?
[05:11] <wood1> Doesn't OpenOffice offer us ways to remove it's componets ?
[05:11] <socomm> cpark: Don't think so.
[05:11] <wood1> Well my hard-disk is almost 98 % full right now
[05:11] <socomm> wood1: Not that I'm aware of.
[05:12] <socomm> wood1: What I'd usualy do to cut down on HDD space is get rid of my DE since that usually is a big chunk of disk.
[05:12] <cpark> socomm: Ahhh.... :(
[05:13] <socomm> wood1: If you're tight on space I'd go with fluxbox since it's one of the smallest WM's I've seen so far.
[05:14] <socomm> XFCE depends on GNOME libraries, but you probably want those anyway since you're going to be using GTK base browsers.
[05:14] <socomm> s/base/based
[05:15] <wood1> How much space does GNOME actually use ?
[05:15] <socomm> cpark: You can usually use drivers for models that are like your printer but it wont provide as good a quality.
[05:15] <wood1> The GNOME-Desktop
[05:15] <socomm> cpark: Anyway do some research on your printer. http://www.google.com/linux
[05:16] <cpark> socomm: I'll do that, I've googled a bit for the Network24 and haven't found much...but I haven't put that much time into it. Thanks though.
[05:16] <socomm> cpark: Yeah, good luck.
[05:18] <wood1> Does somebody know how much space the GNOME Desktop uses ?
[05:18] <bob2> lots
[05:18] <bob2> it depends if you intend to remove all the apps, as well
[05:19] <the_gummibear> where can i find those atmel tools to help me with my wireless card? i installed them but can't find them :(
[05:19] <bob2> dpkg -L packagename | grep bin
[05:20] <socomm> `apt-cache search atmel | less'
[05:21] <bob2> she/he has the package already
[05:21] <nixman> any hope http://www.opengroupware.org will ever be in ubuntu ?
[05:21] <socomm> Whoops you mean you've all ready installed, nevermind.
[05:21] <wood1> If I remove VIM, does it also all the VI settings.
[05:21] <the_gummibear> he ;)
[05:21] <bob2> nixman: is it in Debian?
[05:21] <socomm> wood1: vi is not installed.
[05:21] <nixman> not yet i bet .
[05:22] <socomm> wood1: vim is the only vi like editor installed, as far as I know.
[05:22] <bob2> wood1: packages don't ever touch /home, but 'remov'ing a package does not remove config files from /etc/
[05:22] <nixman> bob2: i'll be surprised
[05:22] <elbissop> hi there.. i have a question..
[05:22] <socomm> wood1: If you wanna keep any settings just  back em up before you delete anything.
[05:22] <socomm> elbissop: Sorry you're in the no question channel :^P.
[05:23] <wood1> Well if I remove VIM, I also removed some parts of the ubuntu-base
[05:23] <wood1> Any other packages to remove
[05:23] <wood1> Now I have 95 % of the hard disk used up
[05:23] <socomm> elbissop: Go ahead and ask.
[05:24] <socomm> wood1: Maybe dev tools if you have no use for them.
[05:24] <the_gummibear> aha, that was another question i had.. when i activate a gdeskletdisplay that shows me disk info then it says that my / (/dev/hda8) is only 2,53 GB while it's 19GB :s
[05:24] <the_gummibear> any idea how to fix that, or why it shows only a (small) part
[05:25] <bob2> the_gummibear: does 'df -h' show sane values?
[05:25] <wood1> socomm, which dev tools
[05:25] <the_gummibear> /dev/hda8              19G  1.9G   17G  11% /
[05:25] <the_gummibear> nope :(
[05:25] <bob2> the_gummibear: erm, you read the column headings, right?
[05:25] <socomm> wood1: Dunno, I don't know any installed by default. Check if you have gcc installed.
[05:25] <wood1> Well I need GCC
[05:26] <the_gummibear> think so
[05:26] <bob2> (it's not installed by default)
[05:26] <wood1> Well I have installed it
[05:26] <bob2> the_gummibear: so you know it's saying your disk is 19GB in size, yes?
[05:26] <socomm> wood1: Like I said if you have no use for them ...
[05:26] <the_gummibear> uhu & that's true
[05:26] <wood1> Well I need gcc
[05:26] <socomm> Well keep that.
[05:26] <tim1> hello
[05:26] <wood1> Well can't we remove some components of OpenOffice ?
[05:27] <tim1> does anybody her know in which package the file "X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h" resides
[05:27] <the_gummibear> but the gdesklets tells me it's only 2,31GB
[05:27] <socomm> wood1: Check if you have any foreign tongue dictionaries.
[05:27] <bob2> wood1: it's all one package, afaik
[05:27] <bob2> the_gummibear: http://packages.debian.org/ should give you the right answer
[05:27] <the_gummibear> & there would only be 242,96mb used
[05:27] <nixman> tim1: use apt-file
[05:27] <bob2> the_gummibear: sure that's what it's saying?
[05:28] <the_gummibear> hmmm..
[05:28] <tim1> nixman: i actually don't have that file, that's the problem
[05:28] <tim1> but i want to install it
[05:29] <nixman> tim1: you dont need to install it ...
[05:29] <bob2> tim1:  http://packages.debian.org/ should give you the right answer
[05:29] <bob2> tim1: apt-file doesn't require you to have the file
[05:29] <the_gummibear> is there anything else to show about a disk?
[05:30] <njs12345> hmm.. could someone do me a favour?
[05:30] <njs12345> send me a .evolution folder with an account in setup properly (I don't care if it's a duff account) - the evo setup wizard keeps crashing
[05:30] <catdog> the_gummibear: i had a similar problem with a gdesklet
[05:31] <the_gummibear> it's not really a problem.. i just don't use the disk info desklets now..
[05:31] <the_gummibear> but it was a handy tool
[05:31] <tim1> ok i found xlibs-dev, but that isn't in the ubuntu repository, damn
[05:31] <elbissop> is there any script, that would make it easy to install ubuntu into a vserver ?
[05:31] <borka> can someone help me, I'm a n00b at irc.. but I can't whrite in the linux chanel were someone told me to ask my question..
[05:31] <the_gummibear> prolly +m
[05:32] <nixman> tim1: another thing you could do is pass "find scrnsaver.h" to the dpkg bot in #debian
[05:32] <bob2> tim1: are you sure?
[05:32] <the_gummibear> (moderated which makes it impossible to talk if you have no + or @ or anything kinda like borka)
[05:32] <bob2> borka: ##linux
[05:32] <tim1> oops
[05:33] <tim1> xlibs-dev is there
[05:33] <borka> hmm, it says ":Please register with services and use the IDENTIFY command (/msg nickserv help) to speak in this channel"
[05:33] <tim1> my failure, sorry
[05:33] <the_gummibear> anyway need to go... laterz
[05:33] <njs12345> oh
[05:33] <njs12345> borka: you need to register your nickname
[05:34] <borka> ahh, ok, but how do I do that?
[05:34] <elbissop> hello all.. did anybody hear my question?
[05:34] <njs12345> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering
[05:34] <borka> ok. thanks.
[05:34] <elbissop> is there any script out there, that would make it easy to install ubuntu into a vserver ?
[05:34] <tim1> ok so packages.debian.org says the file is in xlibs-dev
[05:34] <tim1> but i have this package installed, and it is not there
[05:37] <xiximkopp> what happened to the cool ubuntu menus in hoary??? :-(
[05:38] <tim1> they are broken currently
[05:38] <tim1> but they get fixed
[05:38] <[BTM] gee> anyone here who plays quake3 ?
[05:38] <xiximkopp> ok :'-( that's really sad
[05:39] <rapha> tim1: Does that mean right now would be a good time for panel patches?
[05:39] <nixman> elbissop: i have seen someone who wrote a script for installing debian .. no idea if that would work here.
[05:40] <tim1> rapha: if your menu is ok, i would not upgrade, because it will likely be broken then
[05:40] <rapha> mmno, that's not what I meant.
[05:40] <rapha> tim1: Would right now be a good time to _send_ you menu patches?
[05:40] <njs12345> when apt says packages are "held back", what does that mean?
[05:41] <elbissop> nixman: yes, there is one for installing debian, i hoped there was one customized for ubuntu as well..
[05:41] <elbissop> wsa just checking..
[05:41] <tim1> rapha du bist deutscher gell, sag ma auf deutsch bidde ich komm grad nich mit
[05:42] <rapha> tim1: Ich hatte angenommen, dass du zum Ubuntu-Team dazugehrst und wollte fragen ob die Zeit grade gnstig ist, um Men-Patches zu schreiben.
[05:42] <tim1> ne ich bin nur user ...
[05:43] <rapha> Okay :)
[05:43] <rapha> nm
[05:43] <wezzer_> gutentag
[05:43] <tim1> ciao rapha
[05:43] <wezzer_> that's almost all I know about german :)
[05:44] <tim1> *g
[05:44] <njs12345> does no-one know the answer to my question?
[05:44] <tim1> actually it is "guten tag"
[05:44] <tim1> two words
[05:44] <britt_radiofree> anyone familiar with apxs w/ apache2?
[05:44] <njs12345> eh I learn German at school.. I'm not that bad at it
[05:45] <tim1> njs123456: packages "held back" only means that they won't get updated although there are updates available
[05:45] <tim1> njs123456: ich which country do you live ?
[05:45] <njs12345> UK
[05:46] <njs12345> why would that be? is it because a package depends on an earlier version or something?
[05:47] <strangerincolumb> Hey - I'm new to this...
[05:47] <strangerincolumb> Why can't I apt-get install abiword, gnumeric, gnucash - normal packages?  I've added the archive.ubuntu.com repositories, as well as the universe repositories?
[05:47] <tim1> njs123456: yes, for example, or the newer package depends on a package that is not avalable
[05:48] <njs12345> strangerincolumb: try "apt-get update"
[05:49] <njs12345> then try apt-get install abiword again
[05:49] <tim1> anybody managed to compile beagle ?
[05:50] <[BTM] gee> anyone here play quake3 ?
[05:51] <strangerincolumb> I did that.  I'm getting failures...  a lot of lines like: W: Couldn't start source package list
[05:51] <njs12345> tim1: no, but there is a guide
[05:51] <strangerincolumb> I know I'm putting those URIs in right
[05:51] <njs12345> just in case you don't know ;)
[05:52] <tim1> yes i know, but it doesn't address my problem :/
[05:54] <strangerincolumb> sorry - that's "couldn't stat source package list"
[06:06] <__learner__> I read in the codeweavers site that photoshop can be run under linux. Is that true?
[06:08] <defunkt> _learner_: yes i am ruinning it right now
[06:09] <looker> hi
[06:09] <afonit> __learner__:  jw what featureset are you needing that only photoshop has?
[06:09] <looker> ive problems with hotplug subsytem
[06:10] <__learner__> Really? How is the performance? Does it work good?
[06:10] <looker> when I start tge system I get an error in the hotplug module, Ive desactivated it but when I try to run it manually afeter the system boot my pc gets frozen
[06:11] <looker> can u help me?
[06:13] <__learner__> Well. I like photoshop a lot. Tryed GIMP but it is surelly not the same thing. Photoshop is stuill the best by far.
[06:13] <defunkt> performance is dope
[06:13] <iz> __learner__, with gimp you can do the same thing
[06:13] <defunkt> and looks better than in windows
[06:13] <afonit> __learner__ that is why I am asking what are the features that you use in photoshop that are exclusive to it, I am just wondering
[06:13] <__learner__> And I know a little photoshop and know too little about gimp. and all my friends are using photoshop.
[06:13] <defunkt> yeah but gimp is a pain in the ass to learn
[06:14] <knewt> ubuntu++ # grab 1 source package from debian experimental, another from hoary, mix them all in with some warty and bake^Wbuild until done. voila, a nice and tender svn1.1 all ready to eat^Winstall
[06:14] <__learner__> I don't know the name of the features. At photoshop there's a lot of layer blending options (I think that is the name). That really makes a difference.
[06:14] <looker> mmm
[06:14] <looker> can anyone help me?
[06:15] <defunkt> yeah what do you need looker
[06:15] <looker> when I start tge system I get an error in the hotplug module, Ive desactivated it but when I try to run it manually afeter the system boot my pc gets frozen
[06:15] <wezzer_> my friends use photoshop but I prefer Gimp :)
[06:15] <defunkt> oh shit
[06:15] <looker> that
[06:15] <defunkt> umm yeah i can't help with that
[06:15] <looker> hahahhaa
[06:15] <defunkt> i thought you wanted to know about photoshop too
[06:15] <looker> xD
[06:15] <wezzer_> they became silent after I ask who much photoshop costs ;)
[06:15] <wezzer_> erm, how
[06:15] <defunkt> free for me wezzer
[06:15] <wezzer_> im too tired now...
[06:15] <defunkt> :)
[06:16] <wezzer_> your employer bought it?
[06:16] <defunkt> well, my employer made it...
[06:16] <wezzer_> oh :D
[06:16] <wezzer_> I see...
[06:16] <defunkt> :)
[06:16] <Gwildor|Work> work for adobe?
[06:16] <Gwildor|Work> lucky you
[06:16] <defunkt> yep
[06:16] <defunkt> yeah i enjoy it
[06:16] <defunkt> this is my first year
[06:16] <defunkt> so i am learning a lot
[06:16] <Gwildor|Work> sweet
[06:16] <Gwildor|Work> whats your job?
[06:17] <defunkt> web development
[06:17] <__learner__> Man I really like photoshop. I use photoshop since version 4.
[06:17] <defunkt> i'm pretty much an intern still
[06:17] <defunkt> i have heard some bad thigns about their labor practices but i haven't seen anything yet
[06:18] <wezzer_> I've heard that big companys are running linux-compiled photoshop in linux
[06:18] <defunkt> well, usually we run macs
[06:18] <__learner__> Could that be possible?
[06:18] <defunkt> but i wanted to work on linux for when i leave :)
[06:18] <defunkt> we have macs and pcs
[06:18] <wezzer_> defunkt: :)
[06:18] <__learner__> Yeah, I've heard the mac thing. There are lot's of tutorial showned on macs.
[06:18] <defunkt> but like i said, i hate windows and love linux
[06:19] <defunkt> only took about 3 minutes for me to fall in love with ubuntu
[06:19] <__learner__> I love ubuntu too!
[06:19] <defunkt> learner: msg me
[06:19] <wezzer_> ubuntu is very pretty right after you've installed it
[06:20] <defunkt> oh yes
[06:20] <wezzer_> and it just works :)
[06:20] <defunkt> ubuntu is sexy
[06:20] <wezzer_> defunkt: indeed :)
[06:20] <defunkt> yeah - they pretty much took winXP's autodetect and integrated it to make like, almsot the ultimate linux :)
[06:20] <defunkt> and you don't have to be ascript kiddie to use it :)
[06:21] <defunkt> but anyways - i should probably get ready for the day
[06:21] <defunkt> have a good one y'all
[06:22] <__learner__> I dont understand what they have done. What I think is that the Debian guiys did lot's of efforts, and ubuntu used that in that knowledge in the best way ever done.
[06:22] <__learner__> guiys= guys
[06:24] <__learner__> I was always a Debian Fan, but I didn't have broadband, so I couldn't install stable. testing was acting like crazy on my machine. But I stil think linux in general have some problems with internationalization. In my system, half the computer menu is in english (including it's title). Is it hard toi be a volunteer to helpo wioth the translations?
[06:25] <__learner__> man I got to buy another keyboard, this one is too small. I aways do lot's of typing errors, sorry for that
[06:25] <[BTM] gee> in what file to i set rights for X?
[06:25] <[BTM] gee> i cant do X :1 as a normal user, have to use sudo
[06:26] <wezzer_> __learner__: I think it's because nobody gets paid for translating
[06:27] <__learner__> yes, but I think tere's lot of people who want to help but can't. Just like me, I just don't know how to help. I would like to help, so people can run ubuntu and enjoy it at maximum.
[06:28] <wezzer_> __learner__: check http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/
[06:28] <__learner__> ok
[06:28] <wezzer_> I might join it too
[06:29] <NeoXed> ubuntu isnt all command based is it?
[06:29] <[BTM] gee> oki doki
[06:30] <NeoXed> can any one help me
[06:30] <NeoXed> ?
[06:30] <jiyuu0> NeoXed, nope... there's a gui
[06:30] <jiyuu0> gnome
[06:30] <Tsjoklat> NeoXed what is the probleem?
[06:30] <NeoXed> i just installed it
[06:31] <NeoXed> and im still in a command prompt
[06:31] <Tsjoklat> hey jiyuu0
[06:31] <jiyuu0> hey 48 year old woman
[06:31] <jiyuu0> and yes i know
[06:31] <jiyuu0> a l*ian too
[06:32] <jiyuu0> Tsjoklat, not at ubuntuforums?
[06:32] <Tsjoklat> lol
[06:32] <NeoXed> how can i start gnome?
[06:32] <Tsjoklat> no jiyuu0, thanks to TerminX
[06:32] <Tsjoklat> it should start up by itself NeoXed
[06:32] <jiyuu0> Tsjoklat, he kicked u
[06:33] <trans_err> does ubuntu use devfs?
[06:33] <Tsjoklat> lol no he wish
[06:34] <jiyuu0> hehe
[06:34] <NeoXed> i was downloading patchs for it and the hard drive screwd up should i reinstall?
[06:34] <Tsjoklat> NeoXed I don't really understand what you did?
[06:34] <NeoXed> ok i installed ubuntu
[06:34] <NeoXed> it started
[06:35] <Tsjoklat> so far so good yes
[06:35] <NeoXed> all i got was a command prompt
[06:35] <NeoXed> like dos
[06:35] <Ribs> Don't compare bash to MSDOS please :)
[06:35] <Asako> that's an insult
[06:35] <NeoXed> well im a newbie srry
[06:35] <jlinares> Ribs: :)
[06:35] <Ribs> NeoXed: nothing happened after getting the 'prompt'?
[06:36] <NeoXed> it asked me to download security updates
[06:36] <NeoXed> so i did
[06:36] <NeoXed> and the hard drive locked up
[06:36] <Ribs> ouch
[06:36] <NeoXed> and i had to restart
[06:36] <Ribs> How did you know the HD locked up?
[06:36] <NeoXed> it told me lol
[06:36] <NeoXed> lost connection to HD
[06:37] <Ribs> The HD scream 'I'm locked up!!' ?
[06:37] <NeoXed> then it said waiting for hd dma
[06:37] <Ribs> hrm
[06:37] <Ribs> Does it happen often?
[06:37] <Ribs> Has it ever happened before?
[06:37] <NeoXed> nope
[06:37] <NeoXed> never
[06:37] <Ribs> very strange
[06:37] <Ribs> I suggest you try again
[06:37] <NeoXed> okia i will give it a shot thanks brb
[06:38] <paradoxmo> hi, i just side-graded from debian testing to hoary, and i can't get my digital camera to automatically mount. any ideas?
[06:38] <Ribs> paradoxmo: Downgrade to Warty
[06:39] <paradoxmo> Ribs: do you know what specific packages are acting up?
[06:39] <Ribs> no
[06:39] <Ribs> I just don't use broken shit
[06:39] <wezzer_> http://www.pkbase.com/download/index.php?id=27 - oh you have to see this
[06:40] <wezzer_> totally insane flying
[06:40] <Marska> <insert obscure Linux joke that isn't really funny>
[06:40] <paradoxmo> okay i'll try some things
[06:40] <Marska> <insert sarcastic response about Ubuntu and Debian>
[06:41] <[BTM] gee> anyone that knows where i cna change permissions to xterm ?
[06:41] <daniels> off-topic here.
[06:41] <[BTM] gee> x :1 wont work
[06:41] <|QuaD|> paradoxmo: we don't support hoary here
[06:41] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD: we?
[06:41] <paradoxmo> |QuaD|: didn't know that, thanks
[06:42] <Q-FUNK> |QuaD|: do you support warty then? :)
[06:42] <|QuaD|> yea
[06:42] <|QuaD|> heh
[06:42] <|QuaD|> though i am running hoary, so i might not be THAT helpful
[06:42] <paradoxmo> is there another channel to go, or am i on my own?=
[06:42] <Tsjoklat> paradoxmo hoary is not yet fully supported (read tested) but you can still ask questions here
[06:43] <Q-FUNK> |QuaD|: http://channels.debian.net/paste/93
[06:43] <paradoxmo> Tsjoklat: understood
[06:43] <paradoxmo> wouldn't be running hoary if i expected everything to be smooth
[06:43] <|QuaD|> Q-FUNK: let me take a quick look, but i have to run to a meeting and take a shower
[06:43] <[BTM] gee> anyone?
[06:43] <Tsjoklat> paradoxmo and if you can't get an answer now.. try another time.. different time zones and all
[06:43] <|QuaD|> so i might not be able to answer it till later
[06:43] <redfan> hi
[06:43] <[BTM] gee> anyone that knows where i cna change permissions to xterm ?
[06:43] <adam_> hoary runs fine... i'm using it now... x.org is awesome
[06:43] <traxas> hi
[06:43] <paradoxmo> [BTM] gee: what do you mean
[06:44] <paradoxmo> what kind of problem are you having
[06:44] <traxas> i just installed ubuntu, but when it is time to start gnome i only see blank screen
[06:44] <|QuaD|> Q-FUNK: ppc or x86>
[06:44] <[BTM] gee> cant use another X in my x
[06:44] <[BTM] gee> like x: 1
[06:44] <traxas> can't do anything else
[06:44] <traxas> :/
[06:44] <gloin_> man
[06:44] <[BTM] gee> like x :1
[06:44] <Q-FUNK> |QuaD|: ppc of course :)
[06:44] <gloin_> I seriously broke my system somehow =[
[06:44] <redfan> I just got ubuntu...... excellent linux distro..... btw yes i'm a bit of a newb
[06:44] <[BTM] gee> gloin_ good work!
[06:44] <|QuaD|> hehe... no idea then... never 0wned a mac
[06:44] <|QuaD|> got to go now thouhg
[06:44] <gloin_> hehe
[06:44] <|QuaD|> good luck!
[06:44] <Q-FUNK> ta
[06:44] <Tsjoklat> traxas did you do an update before going into gnome?
[06:44] <paradoxmo> [BTM] gee: do you mean like, X within X, like xnest?
[06:44] <gloin_> anyone know the status of the hoary restricted modules package?
[06:45] <Tsjoklat> and the other person that had lockups
[06:45] <[BTM] gee> ye paradoxmo
[06:45] <traxas> Tsjoklat no
[06:45] <[BTM] gee> want to start another x in X, because ive got prob with my quake:)
[06:45] <traxas> i did nothing
[06:45] <[BTM] gee> and that will solve my prob
[06:45] <paradoxmo> and sorry, what does that have to do with xterm?
[06:45] <Tsjoklat> and your burn was all good traxas?
[06:45] <traxas> yes
[06:45] <[BTM] gee> cant get xterm in the new x
[06:45] <[BTM] gee> because of the permissions
[06:45] <paradoxmo> what's the message?
[06:45] <[BTM] gee> w8..phone
[06:46] <paradoxmo> did you use Applications->System->New login in nested window?
[06:46] <redfan> err.. does anyone know how to install icons?  I've been looking at faq's and getting nowhere.
[06:46] <paradoxmo> traxas: do you get the "I can't start your X server" message afterwards, or does it just lock up?
[06:46] <traxas> paradoxmo no
[06:46] <traxas> it just lock up
[06:47] <[BTM] gee> paradoxmo, hi..im his friend...donnu what he's told you, but it seems like i dont have permissions to start X :1 as a normal user
[06:47] <daniels> gloin_: already uploaded
[06:47] <[BTM] gee> i have to use sudo to get in, and then nothing happens
[06:47] <Tsjoklat> hey daniels
[06:47] <gloin_> daniels: thanks.  How do I grab it - so far apt-get update is just hitting and not downloading...
[06:47] <paradoxmo> redfan: like where, on the panel or in the menu?
[06:47] <[BTM] gee> paradoxmo, you know of the file which specifies permissions for users that can use X ?
[06:47] <gloin_> err, nevermind
[06:47] <Tsjoklat> daniels you won the bet
[06:47] <gloin_> now it works =] 
[06:47] <thoreauputic> [BTM] gee: Xnest -ac :1 & openbox -display :1
[06:48] <thoreauputic> for example
[06:48] <gloin_> Tsjoklat: did I just win daniels the bet? =] 
[06:48] <Tsjoklat> gloin_ no lol
[06:48] <[BTM] gee> thoreauputic, openbox not found
[06:48] <Tsjoklat> gloin_ I lost the bet and daniels won it
[06:48] <thoreauputic> [BTM] gee: should also work for gnome
[06:48] <gloin_>  Depends: linux-restricted-modules-686 but it is not going to be installed
[06:48] <gloin_> =[
[06:48] <thoreauputic> just substityute gnome for openbox
[06:48] <thoreauputic> &substitute
[06:48] <daniels> gloin_: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-686
[06:48] <redfan> paradoxmo: generally everywhere i think, i got the tuxntosh icons and have little idea how to install them in the right place or how to select them with theme manager...
[06:49] <traxas> so no one knows what to do for me? :(
[06:49] <paradoxmo> [BTM] gee: did you try: Applications->System Tools->New Login in nested window?
[06:49] <daniels> it might need a little more time to hit the archive, but it's not that solw to build
[06:49] <willis> can anyone get the 2.6.9 restricted modules package?  It's unavailible to me, but it says it was accepted in the hoary changes list.
[06:49] <Tsjoklat> traxas try again installing it?
[06:49] <paradoxmo> traxas: hmm. can you ssh into your box?
[06:49] <[BTM] gee> paradoxmo, nope didnt see...1s i'll try
[06:49] <[BTM] gee> brb
[06:49] <gloin_> daniels: yep, not avail yet
[06:49] <traxas> Tsjoklat i'll try...
[06:49] <gloin_> I guess I'll try later this afternoon
[06:50] <paradoxmo> redfan: do you mean an icon theme? or like, launchers to get programs to run?
[06:50] <redfan> paradoxmo: icon theme
[06:50] <paradoxmo> try computer-> desktop preferences-> theme
[06:50] <[BTM] gee> paradoxmo, thanks alot..works perfect
[06:50] <daniels> gloin_: ah well, give it an hour
[06:51] <paradoxmo> [BTM] gee: no prob
[06:51] <[BTM] gee> paradoxmo, you know of the command that menu uses?
[06:51] <paradoxmo> and then "Theme Details" on the right
[06:51] <gloin_> yeah daniels.  Thanks for the info (and undoubtedly, work)
[06:51] <paradoxmo> go to "icons" and click install theme
[06:51] <paradoxmo> [BTM] gee: right click on the menu item and click properties
[06:51] <paradoxmo> it should show you
[06:51] <[BTM] gee> cool
[06:51] <gloin_> tbh, part of the problem I'm having is my own fault for installing a linux-image package despite warnings from dpkg
[06:52] <shampoo> Hi
[06:52] <shampoo> my auto mount in gnome has stopped working
[06:52] <shampoo> any ideas what I should look for ?
[06:52] <wezzer_> shampoo: preferences
[06:53] <redfan> paradoxmo: i do not see icons option in Computer menu, just theme.
[06:53] <gloin_> heh zAo^ It should be golden very soon =] 
[06:53] <wezzer_> Desktop preferences -> removable storage
[06:53] <shampoo> wezzer_ under Drives and Media preferences all is checked
[06:53] <paradoxmo> i'm having the same problem as shampoo. cdroms autoplay but usb devices don't automount or do anything
[06:54] <paradoxmo> redfan: go into the theme dialog
[06:54] <wezzer_> what kind of usb device is it?
[06:54] <wezzer_> usb-storage?
[06:54] <paradoxmo> yeah
[06:54] <wezzer_> hmm, strange
[06:54] <hub> paradoxmo: are you in plugdev group ?
[06:54] <paradoxmo> hub: checking
[06:54] <hub> if not then you should be
[06:54] <paradoxmo> no, let me add and then retry
[06:54] <hub> that means de-logging and relogging....
[06:54] <redfan> paradoxmo: yup i'm in themes (showing Default, Glider etc)
[06:55] <paradoxmo> okay, go to the right where it says "Theme Details" and click
[06:55] <[BTM] gee> paradoxmo, sorry to bother you...but do you know if gdlflexiserver supports auto-login for a desired user?
[06:55] <[BTM] gee> gdm*
[06:55] <redfan> paradoxmo: then select icon yeah?
[06:55] <paradoxmo> hub: yeah... i know, argh. it's because i apt-get upgrade from debian
[06:56] <paradoxmo> redfan: yeah, and then "install theme" on the right
[06:56] <hub> paradoxmo: same here
[06:56] <paradoxmo> hub: thanks for the tip. i'll see if it works after i'm done helping refdan
[06:56] <paradoxmo> [BTM] gee: let's see...
[06:57] <[BTM] gee> paradoxmo, i looked at the flags i could give it, but didnt figure it out
[06:57] <paradoxmo> yeah
[06:57] <paradoxmo> do you have gdm configured for auto-login?
[06:57] <[BTM] gee> nope
[06:57] <paradoxmo> i don't know if you can change it separately
[06:57] <paradoxmo> i think it's the same for all servers
[06:57] <[BTM] gee> well, that's ok
[06:57] <[BTM] gee> where do i set that ?
[06:57] <paradoxmo> computer->system configuration->login screen
[06:58] <hub> paradoxmo: or you can in a shell do a su on yourself
[06:58] <hub> paradoxmo: and pmount the device
[06:58] <paradoxmo> hub: will try that
[06:58] <PotajiTo> wenas
[06:58] <hub> as a temporary
[06:59] <Marska> Problem - Trying to modify fstab so I can mount a FAT32 drive but it won't let me login or change the password of root. What do I do?
[06:59] <paradoxmo> hub: right, to make sure it works
[06:59] <paradoxmo> marksa: did you just finish installing?
[06:59] <[BTM] gee> brb
[06:59] <willis> is anyone having trouble getting the 2.6.9 restricted modules? I can't seem to install them even though they were accepted into the pool.
[06:59] <Marska> Sort of
[06:59] <paradoxmo> hub: got it
[06:59] <paradoxmo> it asked me if i wanted to see the pictures on it
[06:59] <Marska> No.. Its a week old install
[07:00] <Marska> But its not letting my modify the root password, so I can't change anything.
[07:00] <paradoxmo> it won't let you log in and change the password of root?
[07:00] <paradoxmo> can you use sudo?
[07:00] <Marska> Yes
[07:00] <paradoxmo> try sudo passwd
[07:00] <Marska> Sudo needs the root password
[07:00] <paradoxmo> no, sudo needs your user password
[07:00] <paradoxmo> i've been confused by that a lot too
[07:00] <redfan> paradoxmo: I'm there but it does not install, In my uncompressed directory I just have folders with 16x16, 192x192 and a index.theme
[07:00] <Marska> It doesn't take my user password
[07:01] <paradoxmo> hub: it works with pmount. i'll see if it works after i log back in
[07:01] <paradoxmo> redfan, try pointing it to the uncompressed archive
[07:01] <carthikSchool> when i set up apache2 and access localhost, it goes to localhost/apache2-default  How do I change that to just loaclhost (/var/www/)?
[07:01] <paradoxmo> marska: have you been able to use sudo before?
[07:01] <Marska> su: Authentication failure Sorry.
[07:02] <carthikSchool> I tried adding a DocumentRoot directive
[07:02] <Marska> paradoxmo: no
[07:02] <paradoxmo> you can log in as your user just fine, right?
[07:02] <carthikSchool> If someone can tell me where apches-default is mentioned as the default root, it would be great
[07:02] <paradoxmo> and it's a straight warty install?
[07:02] <paradoxmo> carthik: can you make sure that the default page is not refreshing to that page?
[07:03] <Marska> Straight Warty, and yes I can.
[07:04] <Marska> But when I try to change the root password, it defaults back to whatever it was.
[07:04] <redfan> paradoxmo: ok it installed and I have clicked go to theme folder it shows Authors, index.theme, readme and a tux1png.zip file
[07:04] <paradoxmo> hmm. perhaps you typed your root password wrong in the install?
[07:04] <Marska> It didn't ask for a root password
[07:04] <Marska> It only asked for the user information
[07:04] <Marska> for the account I created
[07:04] <paradoxmo> marska: odd
[07:04] <paradoxmo> that should be what it asks before the user info
[07:05] <paradoxmo> did you try blank password?
[07:05] <Marska> Yes
[07:05] <redfan> paradoxmo: i still do not see the theme in the icon page of themes
[07:05] <Marska> And I tried my user name, and various other pieces of user information
[07:05] <paradoxmo> redfan: did you try getting out of theme applet and going back in
[07:05] <paradoxmo> or try installing again, and not going to "go to theme folder"
[07:06] <Marska> And I can't modify my fstab file, so I can't mount my fat32 drives.
[07:06] <carthikSchool> paradoxmo, yes, I tried restarting apache2 after adding hte documentroot directive to apache2.conf and tried a hard refresh. it still is serving  var/www/apache2-default/index.html.en
[07:06] <paradoxmo> marska: at that point what i would do is use your live cd and delete the password for root from /etc/shadow
[07:06] <paradoxmo> and then boot your system normally and set a root password
[07:07] <neoxed_> :)
[07:07] <paradoxmo> carthik: i don't know any more, sorry, i don't have apache2 on this machine
[07:07] <neoxed_> i got it working :)
[07:08] <paradoxmo> marska: does that make sense?
[07:08] <redfan> paradoxmo: yup have closed themes and reopended it, still no theme in icons.
[07:08] <Marska> So I have to manually delete the file with the live CD?
[07:08] <paradoxmo> no, don't delete the file
[07:09] <paradoxmo> use an editor and change root:HASHHASHHASH:etc to root::etc
[07:09] <Marska> Point being, its not letting my even modify the root account in ubuntu
[07:09] <__learner__> how can I install win32 video codecs in totem/xine?
[07:09] <Marska> Erm...
[07:09] <paradoxmo> yeah, marska, ick, i know
[07:10] <Marska> Is there a default password for the root user?
[07:10] <paradoxmo> not that i'm aware of
[07:10] <paradoxmo> i wish there were an easier way to reset the password, but i'm not aware of one
[07:10] <DagaZ> Marska: root is disabled by default... you can enable it but it is much better and safer to use sudo
[07:11] <Marska> Sudo doesn't want to work.
[07:11] <thenuke> how come?
[07:11] <thenuke> what kind of problems do you have with it :o
[07:11] <Marska> I can't rewrite any files on the disk through sudo
[07:11] <thenuke> try sudo -s also
[07:11] <Marska> It doesn't want to take the password I provide for it, and it never asked my for a password
[07:11] <Marska> su, right?
[07:11] <thenuke> it gives you a root shell
[07:11] <paradoxmo> no, no
[07:11] <paradoxmo> literally "sudo"
[07:12] <thenuke> and the password for sudo is Your password
[07:12] <paradoxmo> like thenuke said, try sudo -s and enter your user password
[07:12] <paradoxmo> right
[07:12] <paradoxmo> (thenuke: thank you, i've never done a fresh install, i didn't know root is disabled by default)
[07:12] <Marska> How do I enable root?
[07:13] <wezzer_> check ubuntu FAQ
[07:13] <Agrajag> sudo passwd root
[07:13] <Agrajag> I suggest against doing it though
[07:13] <paradoxmo> marska: you don't really have to
[07:13] <Agrajag> just use sudo
[07:13] <paradoxmo> to modify your fstab you just do like sudo nano /etc/fstab
[07:13] <Agrajag> sudo -s if you want a root shell
[07:13] <paradoxmo> or gedit or vi or whatever you want
[07:14] <zenwhen> I havent used a root term for a couple weeks
[07:14] <zenwhen> it really isnt needed with sudo
[07:14] <paradoxmo> yeah, it's pretty much entirely unnecessary with sudo
[07:14] <wezzer_> it's faster to write "sudo command_which_does_something" than su and then password and then the command
[07:14] <carthikSchool> paradoxmo, gotta go to edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default and comment out a rewriterule, in case someone else has the same problem later. Thanks for your help
[07:14] <Marska> One second..
[07:14] <zenwhen> and if you go around doing everything as root, you asre just asking for trouble
[07:14] <paradoxmo> carthik: okay, glad things got fixed, i'm sorry i was no help at all
[07:15] <Agrajag> chmod -R 777 /
[07:15] <zenwhen> heck you might even accidentally type chmod -R 777 /
[07:15] <zenwhen> and that would be silly
[07:15] <zenwhen> :(
[07:15] <Agrajag> owned
[07:15] <charlie_> can someone explain me why some applications give segmentation faults after upgrading my kernel??? xmms , blender, mplay all give segmentation faults
[07:15] <zenwhen> ;o;
[07:15] <paradoxmo> i actually did "rm -rf ." in / once
[07:15] <paradoxmo> years ago
[07:15] <paradoxmo> as root
[07:15] <paradoxmo> that was somethin'
[07:15] <zenwhen> I did it in a virtual machine to a fresh warty install
[07:15] <paradoxmo> i meant to do it in another directory
[07:15] <zenwhen> it was funny to watch it explode
[07:15] <paradoxmo> charlie: what did you just upgrade?
[07:16] <broseman> Hello together! I'm having probems with EPP mode at parallel port. It's set correct in BIOS but not recognized by ubuntu. Any hints?
[07:16] <zAo^> who can help me to view/edit RAW images?
[07:16] <paradoxmo> (i mean: what kernel version to what kernel version, and what command did you use)
[07:16] <wezzer_> few weeks ago here was dude with some problem. He was told to write "rm -rf ~/.Trash/" - guess what he wrote...
[07:16] <__learner__> Totem/Xine is sying I need Inteo Indeo Codec? and some other with  (win32 ion the names) what does that means?
[07:16] <Marska> How do I save in nano?
[07:17] <Agrajag> apt-get install w32codecs
[07:17] <charlie_> paradoxmo... my kernel 2.6.9.1-k7, but the "old"  one... 2.6.8.3-k7 has the same problem
[07:17] <paradoxmo> marska: ctrl-o
[07:17] <moquist> zAo^: the gimp should work
[07:17] <wezzer_> zAo^: check dcraw plugin for gimp
[07:17] <paradoxmo> charlie: what's the last kernel that worked?
[07:17] <zAo^> moquist, I thought so 2. It doesnt though :S
[07:17] <zAo^> wezzer_,  I installed the latest, didnt work :-S
[07:17] <wezzer_> :/
[07:18] <zAo^> I even upgraded for that to Hoary..
[07:18] <paradoxmo> zAo: did you try looking through the listings of gimp-whatever and seeing if anything looks promising?
[07:18] <zAo^> yes paradoxmo
[07:18] <paradoxmo> it's not in gimp-nonfree?
[07:18] <wezzer_> but dcraw works on warty too?
[07:18] <charlie_> paradoxmo : the 2.6.8.3-k7 before i installed the 9 one  i also tried new ddr but the faults don't go away, so i don't think it bad hardware..
[07:19] <zAo^> yes, it works, well: no errors. Still cant open RAW pictures
[07:19] <paradoxmo> charlie_: yeah, i don't think it's hardware
[07:19] <wezzer_> zAo^: which camera?
[07:19] <Marska> Bwahahah!
[07:19] <Marska> It worked!
[07:19] <zAo^> Canon Rebel // 300D
[07:19] <Marska> Thank you
[07:19] <charlie_> paradoxmo: what can it be then???
[07:19] <paradoxmo> so 2.6.8.3 worked, but 2.6.9.1 doesn't?
[07:20] <broseman> Any hint's to my EPP problem? dmesg | parport0 lists "parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] " Nothing about EPP... :-(
[07:20] <paradoxmo> and now if you reboot back into 2.6.8.3 it does the same thing?
[07:20] <charlie_> yeah and now i'm with the 2.6.8.3 but still no xmms blender etc...
[07:20] <Marska> Sudo worked fine it seems (just need to learn the commands). Does Ubuntu carry NTFS support?
[07:20] <paradoxmo> right.
[07:20] <paradoxmo> marska: i believe readonly
[07:20] <thenuke> Marska: reading NTFS is supported
[07:20] <zAo^> I installed VMware and Photoshop to just open my pictures.... :@
[07:20] <wezzer_> zAo^: how about this: "dcraw.c -- Convert raw photos to PPM"
[07:21] <Marska> That should be fine. Thank you very much
[07:21] <thenuke> you're welcome
[07:21] <zAo^> wezzer_, where did you find that?
[07:21] <paradoxmo> charlie_: try removing the new one
[07:21] <wezzer_> zAo^: http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/
[07:21] <paradoxmo> and see if the problem goes away
[07:21] <broseman> I meant dmesg | grep parport0
[07:21] <zAo^> thanks wezzer_
[07:21] <paradoxmo> marska: good luck
[07:21] <wezzer_> no problem :)
[07:21] <Marska> I mounted the bloody drive, I'm happy.
[07:22] <paradoxmo> woohoo.
[07:22] <paradoxmo> (-:
[07:22] <Marska> Erm.. Oh ya..
[07:22] <wezzer_> I just wrote "canon 300d raw linux" to firefox :^)
[07:22] <charlie_> paradoxmo i did already.. but the problem is still here,,, i also tried a 2.4 kernel.. and reinstalling the 2.6.8.3
[07:22] <Marska> Is there a internet connection dialer in Ubuntu?
[07:22] <Marska> I couldn't find one
[07:22] <broseman> Maybe one of you could do a dmesg | grep parport0 so that we can see, if it's a general ubuntu problem?
[07:23] <paradoxmo> broseman: i have my parport working
[07:23] <broseman> Well, my partport is working too, but only or the printer and not for the scanner...
[07:23] <Marska> Ubuntu carries MP3 support right out of the box, right?
[07:23] <wezzer_> nope
[07:24] <wezzer_> type sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:24] <paradoxmo> marska: it's in restricted, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:24] <paradoxmo> er, sorry, it's in universe
[07:24] <billycub> hi all, I'm testing out ubuntu live cd right now.  usb pen drives don't seem to work; is this also a problem on a real installed system?
[07:25] <paradoxmo> broseman: parport is working for printer but not scanner?
[07:25] <billycub> and this live cd is great btw!
[07:25] <Marska> God.. Music sounds horrible through Linux.
[07:25] <broseman> paradoxmo: correct
[07:25] <paradoxmo> so what do you get when you run dmesg |grep parport
[07:26] <broseman> parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] 
[07:26] <broseman> parport0: only read 126 of 1000 ID bytes
[07:26] <broseman> parport0: device reported incorrect length field (34950, should be 127)
[07:26] <broseman> parport0 (addr 0): Legacy device
[07:26] <broseman> parport0 (addr 1): Printer, Brother HL-1430 series
[07:26] <paradoxmo> marska: for dialer, try computer->system conf->network settings-> Add
[07:26] <broseman> parport0 (addr 2): Printer, Brother HL-1430 series
[07:26] <NeoXed> can any one help me installing a small game on linux i am totaly newbish and have no idea how to do it
[07:26] <broseman> parport0 (addr 3): Printer, Brother HL-1430 series
[07:26] <broseman> parport0: Printer, Brother HL-1430 series
[07:26] <broseman> lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven).
[07:26] <Marska> paradoxmo: thanks
[07:26] <paradoxmo> never tried the dialer, i'm on dsl
[07:27] <paradoxmo> broseman: what does it say if you have the scanner plugged in on boot
[07:27] <__learner__> "apt-get install w32codecs" haven't worked. It says this package is not avaiable but is referenced by another package.
[07:27] <paradoxmo> how do you have it plugged in, is it chained?
[07:28] <broseman> paradoxmo, the same! it is plugged in all the time
[07:28] <paradoxmo> broseman: do you have both a brother printer and a scanner plugged in?
[07:28] <paradoxmo> neoxed: which game
[07:29] <zAo^> wezzer_, didnt work :-S
[07:29] <__learner__> isn't the password of your user the root password in ubuntu?
[07:29] <broseman> paradoxmo: yes, both! the printer is plugged into the scanner
[07:29] <paradoxmo> try unplugging the printer
[07:29] <sm> hi all
[07:29] <broseman> paradoxmo, it works under fedora core 2
[07:29] <broseman> paradoxmo, i tried this...
[07:29] <redfan> paradoxmo: nope this aint working, have followed the Gnome faq on this and still will not show the theme for selection
[07:29] <paradoxmo> what kind of scanner?
[07:29] <sm> does firefox use ~/.firefox or .mozilla/firefox these days ?
[07:30] <paradoxmo> .firefox
[07:30] <wezzer_> zAo^: damn :/
[07:30] <earthen> mozilla-firefox
[07:30] <paradoxmo> broseman: what happens when you try to access the scanner
[07:30] <scizzo> umm...something is really weird
[07:30] <broseman> it's umax astra 1220p and i followed all the advices on http://umax1220p.sourceforge.net/
[07:31] <paradoxmo> broseman: how do you usually access the scanner, through sane?
[07:31] <broseman> paradoxmo, xsane states, that it cannot find any devices
[07:31] <paradoxmo> what does dmesg say if you only have the scanner plugged in on boot?
[07:32] <earthen> what packages do i need to install to do roaming profiles
[07:32] <__learner__> where canm I find the w32codecs package?
[07:32] <paradoxmo> broseman: don't try that yet.
[07:33] <Agrajag> __learner__: probably by adding the following to /etc/apt/sources.list:
[07:33] <Agrajag> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[07:33] <sm> does anyone know the thunderbird lock file name ? I can't see one but tb is complaining
[07:33] <paradoxmo> did you try http://umax1220p.sourceforge.net/trouble.html , the ppdiag script at the top of the page
[07:33] <__learner__> tx
[07:34] <broseman> paradoxmo, I will try this. Wait a minute. But I'm sure, that this have to do with the EPP mode. This is the only difference I could find between my Fedora and ubuntu installations in this matter. yes, i tried the ppdiag script. It also states, that I do not have the EPP mode activated.
[07:34] <paradoxmo> ick.
[07:34] <redfan> learner: just open terminal and - sudo apt-get install w32codecs.... this guide will walk you through it all http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:34] <sm> also, I'll just throw this out - anyone know how to set a window-cycling icon for emacs ?
[07:35] <paradoxmo> broseman: what kernel are you using
[07:35] <paradoxmo> and you're on warty?
[07:35] <broseman> paradoxmo, do you have the EPP mode activated AND detected by ubuntu?
[07:35] <broseman> Yes I'm on warty
[07:35] <broseman> and no kernel changes yet
[07:36] <sm> aha, another misnamed .moz-app dir
[07:36] <paradoxmo> redfan: maybe the icon theme isn't compatible... try looking for a different version? or try installing a different theme see if it works
[07:36] <broseman> well, I loaded a module for my quickcam express
[07:36] <broseman> but that' all
[07:36] <paradoxmo> broseman: yes, i get: parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778), irq 7, dma 3 [PCSPP,TRISTATE,COMPAT,ECP,DMA] 
[07:36] <afonit> broseman:  when I do (from the terminal)   "cvs bla bla bla" it says "command not found"  what do I need to do to make that work?
[07:36] <paradoxmo> i'm on hoary
[07:36] <paradoxmo> try upgrading your kernel
[07:37] <redfan> paradoxmo: cheers.. i will look and keep trying thnx man
[07:37] <paradoxmo> what processor are you using?
[07:37] <broseman> afonit: try synaptic and search for "cvs"...
[07:38] <afonit> broseman: ty
[07:38] <afonit> broseman:  sorry about that, I was going through the beagle installation guide and must have passed that over, thank you very much
[07:39] <jo_> Hello. I was wondering: are there plans to upload firefox 1.0 to warty when there are enough translations available?
[07:39] <paradoxmo> broseman, what does uname -a give you?
[07:39] <wezzer_> jo_: I installed ff 1.0 to ~/software/firefox and made a launcher to desktop
[07:39] <broseman> Linux petrus 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:40] <paradoxmo> jo_: i highly doubt it
[07:40] <paradoxmo> what processor are you running?
[07:40] <paradoxmo> (broseman)
[07:40] <broseman> is a kernel upgrade really necessary....? Well, okay, I will give it a try ...
[07:41] <jo_> wezzer_, thanks. I'm content with 0.9.3 though :-) Was just wondering...
[07:41] <paradoxmo> broseman:...well you've tried everything else...
[07:41] <paradoxmo> kernel upgrade is crazily easy with ubuntu
[07:41] <broseman> paradoxmo, yeah, you are right... okay, thanks for your help!
[07:41] <scizzo> anyone that can help me with my Sound Blaster Live soundcard?
[07:41] <paradoxmo> have a good day folks
[07:41] <jo_> paradoxmo, I guess the policy is to "freeze" warty? And don't upgrade until hoary gets released?
[07:42] <paradoxmo> warty is done except for security issues jo
[07:42] <scizzo> I don't get the options correct in the volume control and the sound does not work in rhythmbox
[07:42] <jo_> ok paradoxmo thanks for the info
[07:42] <paradoxmo> ok folks, have a good day
[07:42] <jo_> bye
[07:44] <wezzer_> scizzo: right-click speaker on top right corner (gnome) and select open volume control
[07:45] <scizzo> wezzer_: like I said...that does not give me the correct options
[07:46] <wezzer_> umm, so you mean your soundcard is not detected right?
[07:46] <scizzo> wezzer_: it is
[07:46] <scizzo> wezzer_: however something is overwritting the thing so I can't play any other sound with it or access it correct with the mixer
[07:47] <wezzer_> oh, now I understand
[07:47] <wezzer_> ... but I'm afraid I can't help :/
[07:48] <scizzo> there is sound...but something is overwritting it from playing any other sound
[07:48] <wezzer_> check that gnome-sound-server isn't running
[07:48] <wezzer_> that which plays those little sounds when opening directories etc...
[07:48] <scizzo> wezzer_: already did
[07:49] <wezzer_> okay, then sudo ps xu
[07:49] <wezzer_> there are _all_ processes
[07:49] <scizzo> wezzer_: no...no esd
[07:49] <gpled> has anyone had luck with hotplugging a usb cdrom drive?
[07:51] <scizzo> okej...found something now
[07:51] <wezzer_> did you solve it?
[07:52] <scizzo> seems like the mixer is not reading things that are ALSA
[07:52] <__learner__> tx a lot! Now I can see the MGS snake eater videos!
[07:54] <scizzo> gnome-alsamixer fixed that problem
[07:54] <wezzer_> :)
[07:55] <lhf> Hi. Just got a CD from a friend. (Mine haven't arrived yet.)
[07:55] <lhf> I tried to Live CD and it boot ok but the network did not come up. Was it supposed to?
[07:56] <lhf> The machine is on our LAN.
[07:56] <Kinnison> hey lhf
[07:56] <lhf> Kinnison: hi! Good to see you here too.
[07:56] <Kinnison> lhf: can you try booting the install CD and see if it detects your network?
[07:57] <lhf> Ah, I didn't try that, being careful not to disrupt my current installation.
[07:57] <Kinnison> You have to go a long way through the installer (past the partitioner) before it will write anything to disk
[07:58] <lhf> Anyway, was the Live CD supposed to ask me something about my network?
[07:58] <addNtoX> hi folks
[07:58] <Kinnison> I'm not certain. The Warty LiveCD is a bit of an oddity
[07:58] <wezzer_> if I remember correct, network-thing should come before disk partition :)
[07:58] <lhf> I did get it running by manually running ifconfig.
[07:58] <Kinnison> Unfortunately the people I should ask are currently doing a keysigning party about 10 metres away :-)
[07:58] <addNtoX> does ubuntu use the dpkg packet managing system?
[07:58] <Kinnison> addNtoX: Yes
[07:58] <wezzer_> yes
[07:58] <addNtoX> does ubuntu have xfree or xorg?
[07:59] <Kinnison> Warty has xfree 4.3 with a lot of backported driver work. Hoary will have (and does have) xorg
[07:59] <Simira> Kinnison :)
[07:59] <lhf> I tried Kurumin once it all it asked me was some data about the newtork and then it was up and runing and browsing away.
[07:59] <lhf> I was expecting something like that.
[07:59] <wezzer_> this might be on some faq, but when does hoary come out?
[07:59] <Kinnison> wezzer_: I think mid april
[08:00] <addNtoX> is there a ftp or site where i can download ubuntu packets? i'm asking because i use debian sid and im searchin for a xorg .deb packet
[08:00] <Kinnison> lhf: Yeah; the warty livecd is very raw
[08:00] <Kinnison> addNtoX: Google for it; Someone has ported xorg to sid from ubuntu
[08:00] <Kinnison> addNtoX: the ubuntu packages won't work directly because they rely on stuff from ubuntu
[08:00] <wezzer_> Kinnison: I'll mark to evolution calendar :)
[08:01] <lhf> Kinnison: too bad. I did not leave me a good impression. I mean, of the installation process. Once booted, it looks nice.
[08:01] <lhf> Will have to find a machine that I can actually install it on.
[08:01] <addNtoX> Kinnison, can't i use the native ubuntu-x.org packet for sid? or will there problems appear?
[08:01] <Kinnison> lhf: The real system is way way better in my opinion
[08:01] <Kinnison> addNtoX: It depends on ubuntu stuff so it won't even install
[08:01] <Kinnison> addNtoX: someone has ported it to sid though
[08:02] <addNtoX> Kinnison, ok, thank you very much, i will google for it :)
[08:02] <Kinnison> addNtoX: Good luck :-)
[08:02] <addNtoX> thanks :)
[08:02] <lhf> So I heard. I'm willing to try. They'll give me a new machine soon and I'll do that. But right now I can't afford to stop my current system.
[08:02] <Kinnison> addNtoX: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=406
[08:02] <fastdeutscher> hello:-)
[08:02] <Kinnison> addNtoX: that may help
[08:02] <Kinnison> lhf: Indeed :-)
[08:03] <Kinnison> lhf: You can try installing it in a virtual machine if you like; although that will be very very slow
[08:03] <fastdeutscher> i am about to decide how big and what to call the partitions for ubuntu, and was wondering if someone could tell me
[08:03] <fastdeutscher> ?
[08:04] <fastdeutscher> also, how many?
[08:05] <Kinnison> fastdeutscher: Depends how you want to task your computer
[08:05] <Kinnison> fastdeutscher: installing a server?
[08:05] <wezzer_> I have 100GB for ubuntu and 20GB for windows :^)
[08:08] <sm> why doesn't Monospace font work for emacs ?
[08:09] <newtolinux> anyone mind helping me telling me how to get pictures of my digicam on ubuntu
[08:09] <francisco> has anyone been succesful in installing kde 3.3.2 ?
[08:09] <fastdeutscher> minimum....i have xp on 116 gig partition, and I want to divide the other 32 into at least a swap and root....do i need any others?
[08:10] <newtolinux> /home might help
[08:10] <lhf> no latex?
[08:11] <fastdeutscher> whats latex? other than a handy way to prevent screaming children
[08:11] <lhf> Sorry, LaTeX, text processor.
[08:12] <fastdeutscher> i have been trying to install gentoo linux as my first exposure, and it requires a root, boot and swap partition......what about the boot flag? how do i set that option
[08:12] <newtolinux> anyone mind helping me telling me how to get pictures of my digicam on ubuntu
[08:12] <Agrajag> fastdeutscher: uh, wrong channel there guy
[08:12] <francisco> with cfdisk you can toggle the flag
[08:13] <fastdeutscher> no, i cant get it to install, so i downloaded ubuntu
[08:13] <Agrajag> then you should install ubuntu
[08:13] <wezzer_> newtolinux: which digicam?
[08:13] <fastdeutscher> now i just need to know how many partitions(min) i should make
[08:13] <newtolinux> sony cub ershot
[08:13] <newtolinux> *cybershot
[08:13] <Agrajag> minimum? 1
[08:13] <Agrajag> you don't need more than 1
[08:13] <francisco> you can create swap and /
[08:14] <wezzer_> newtolinux: does the autoplug system work?
[08:14] <Agrajag> but it's a good idea to have a separate swap, and separate /home
[08:14] <newtolinux> i dunno, i plugged in the usb cabel
[08:14] <wezzer_> okay, you have gthumb?
[08:14] <newtolinux> and my camera says usb normal mode
[08:14] <fastdeutscher> so then, /,swap, and /home....how big each?
[08:14] <newtolinux> dunno, ill try
[08:14] <fastdeutscher> out of 32 gig
[08:14] <Agrajag> how much ram do you have?
[08:14] <newtolinux> yup, ive got gthumb
[08:15] <fastdeutscher> what is recomended i guess is my question
[08:15] <fastdeutscher> im new to linux
[08:15] <fastdeutscher> very
[08:15] <fastdeutscher> painfully
[08:15] <Agrajag> fastdeutscher: how much ram do you have?
[08:15] <newtolinux> a / and a swap partition
[08:15] <fastdeutscher> 1024
[08:15] <fastdeutscher> double for swap?
[08:15] <Agrajag> make it about 1.5 gig swap
[08:15] <newtolinux> no
[08:15] <Agrajag> you could
[08:15] <Agrajag> 1.5 to 2
[08:15] <Agrajag> but really you don't need more than 1.5
[08:15] <fastdeutscher> cool
[08:15] <newtolinux> let ubuntu generate a automatic partition scheme
[08:15] <Agrajag> hey that's right, it does it for you doesn't it?
[08:16] <fastdeutscher> can i do that without wiping out the rest of my drive with xp on it?
[08:16] <Agrajag> unless you can't allow it to do that
[08:16] <fastdeutscher> right
[08:16] <Agrajag> yeah see, I didn't trust it either
[08:16] <Agrajag> ok
[08:16] <fastdeutscher> the other 116 gigs are very valuable:-)
[08:16] <fastdeutscher> bill gates told me so
[08:16] <newtolinux> it depends if you already partitioned
[08:16] <fastdeutscher> yes it is
[08:17] <Agrajag> so 1.5 for swap, let's say 10 gig for /, rest for /home?
[08:17] <newtolinux> then let the install make the partitions on /dev/hdb
[08:17] <cuenca> Hi, has anybody see a crash in gksudo when you start it on an user account with a fr LANG?
[08:17] <fastdeutscher> i have a 32gig log partiton, and i want it to be ext3 now, with however many partitions i need
[08:17] <wezzer_> newtolinux: open up gthumb and click from file -> import photos from camera
[08:17] <newtolinux> thatll do agrajag
[08:17] <newtolinux> k, ill try
[08:17] <wezzer_> check if that founds you're camre
[08:17] <wezzer_> *camera
[08:18] <fastdeutscher> ok thanks guys:-)
[08:18] <newtolinux> noop, it says no camera detected
[08:18] <fastdeutscher> later
[08:18] <wezzer_> newtolinux: can you give me more specific camera model?
[08:18] <jab> What /dev/xxx does normaly an usb dvd burner appear as?
[08:18] <newtolinux> im trying the camera select thingie
[08:18] <wezzer_> I'll search what google says
[08:18] <newtolinux> if that wont work ill come back
[08:19] <wezzer_> newtolinux: http://quark.humbug.org.au/publications/notes/bofh/msg00024.html
[08:19] <wezzer_> check that url
[08:19] <newtolinux> k
[08:19] <newtolinux> cause my exact model isnt on the list
[08:21] <newtolinux> wezzer: i dont understand that site
[08:21] <newtolinux> ill google for abit thanks
[08:22] <wezzer_> newtolinux: if your kernel doesn't have those options, you can't get your camera working
[08:22] <wezzer_> but I believe that ubuntu kernel has
[08:22] <newtolinux> nah, it has for almost every sony cybershot
[08:22] <newtolinux> yet my exact model isnt in the list
[08:23] <wezzer_> I'd like to believe that the usb in the camera's is basically the same
[08:23] <wezzer_> but I don't know
[08:23] <newtolinux> id think so aswel so i tried selecting the other cybershots without result
[08:25] <newtolinux> well thanks for the help wezzer, ill google some more
[08:33] <wezzer_> oh, right after newtolinux went away I found one possible solution to his problem :P
[08:34] <Gwildor|Work> hahaha
[08:34] <corwin> may someone help me??
[08:34] <wezzer_> tell us your problem
[08:34] <corwin> oh no prob at all i just want to know how to have codecs for ubuntu :)
[08:35] <Agrajag> there aren't really codecs on linux, in the sense that you have on windows
[08:35] <wezzer_> umm, you mean for totem?
[08:35] <Agrajag> install xine or vlc
[08:35] <Agrajag> they play just about everything
[08:35] <wezzer_> try mplayer
[08:35] <wezzer_> it plays everything
[08:35] <Agrajag> wezzer_: will that even install?
[08:35] <Agrajag> it seems to be broken for me
[08:35] <wezzer_> mplayer?
[08:35] <wezzer_> it works great for me
[08:36] <Agrajag>  mplayer-586: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1) but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed
[08:36] <Agrajag> etc
[08:36] <wezzer_> I compiled mplayer by myself
[08:36] <|QuaD-> Agrajag: do you have the right repo?
[08:36] <Agrajag> |QuaD-: hell if I know
[08:36] <wezzer_> actually, there is even howto for mplayer
[08:36] <corwin> oh ok thx...i want to move to linux but i want to konw if i'll be able to listen music and see some movies
[08:36] <wezzer_> wait a minute
[08:36] <Agrajag> I've been using debian-marillat
[08:36] <Agrajag> eh
[08:36] <wezzer_> Agrajag: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[08:36] <Agrajag> I prefer xine myself
[08:37] <|QuaD-> Agrajag: those are correct
[08:37] <|QuaD-> Agrajag: i also prefer xine
[08:38] <wezzer_> well, it's a matter of taste :)
[08:40] <|QuaD-> wezzer_: thats why they make all different clients
[08:40] <corwin> thx for the url "wezz" :)
[08:41] <wezzer_> no problem :)
[08:45] <slicslak> i'm a slackware and gentoo user, but just setup a ubuntu box for my parents.  i would like to install thunderbird (they were using it before), but when i look in the synaptic package manager, the latest version is .8.  should i be using a different repository or something?
[08:45] <Agrajag> no, that's the latest version for warty
[08:45] <Agrajag> If you want the latest version, you could use the binaries from mozilla.org
[08:45] <wezzer_> slicslak: just get it from mozilla.org
[08:46] <wezzer_> and make a laucher to desktop :)
[08:46] <slicslak> gotcha.  k, thx
[08:47] <traxas_siaip_ita> hey, i'm back again with the same question - gdm (i think it is gdm's fault) freezes my PC, Ubuntu boots, but when it is mtime to load gdm, it freezes, what to do?
[08:48] <wezzer_> I had some problem
[08:48] <wezzer_> I solved it by installing ubuntu again :/
[08:49] <traxas_siaip_ita> didn't helped
[08:49] <moquist> traxas_siaip_ita: freezes so you can't switch vt's, even?
[08:49] <traxas_siaip_ita> yes, keyboard works, but linux doesn't act to nothing
[08:50] <traxas_siaip_ita> i can turn on/off num lock and all those lights :)
[08:50] <moquist> traxas_siaip_ita: can you type CTRL+ALT+F1 to get a login prompt?  If you ping the box from somewhere else (if that's a possibility) does it respond?
[08:50] <traxas_siaip_ita> i cant
[08:51] <traxas_siaip_ita> ctrl alt f1 or f2 or anything else won't work, also ctrl + c and all those..
[08:52] <moquist> traxas_siaip_ita: hmm.  the first thing I would do is boot from the Ubuntu Live disc and take gdm out of the default startup level.  then you can boot the system and troubleshoot from the command prompt - if you want to do that.
[08:52] <Asako> xine isn't that great
[08:53] <traxas_siaip_ita> i don't have the liveCD
[08:53] <traxas_siaip_ita> so i need to download it
[08:53] <moquist> yeah.  :(
[08:53] <traxas_siaip_ita> can it be that my installation CD is bad?
[08:54] <moquist> traxas_siaip_ita: i wouldn't claim to know, but I would guess not, if you didn't get an errors while installing.
[08:54] <traxas_siaip_ita> moquist some font packages failes to install..
[08:55] <moquist> traxas_siaip_ita: i'm no Xpert, but that sounds suspicious.  you might want to d/l and burn and install again.
[08:55] <zenlunatic> is ubuntu a livecd?
[08:55] <moquist> zenlunatic: Ubuntu has a LiveCD and an Install CD.  They're separate discs.
[08:56] <traxas_siaip_ita> moquist ok i will do that...have good internet so that wouldn't be hard :) 3 hrs to download
[08:56] <moquist> traxas_siaip_ita: alternatively you could do the livecd route and use apt to upgrade your system.  then you wouldn't have to reinstall.
[08:57] <moquist> traxas_siaip_ita: (that should take care of font packages that are missing or broken)
[08:57] <traxas_siaip_ita> hm.. but i still wanna download installation CD incase i will need to reinstall ubuntu again in some time
[08:57] <traxas_siaip_ita> thanx for the help
[09:00] <zenlunatic> moquist oh.
[09:04] <vuntz> hi
[09:04] <zenlunatic> moquist how do i know which one is livecd? i see .htaccess .pool 4.10 -> warty/ jigit warty which on should i use?
[09:04] <vuntz> does someone know how to use a custom dsdt table with the new kernel in Hoary?
[09:04] <corwin> is it safe to have both windows and linux on the same HD??
[09:04] <vuntz> should I concatenate the asl file to initrd?
[09:05] <moquist> corwin: no more dangerous than having windows itself on any HD.  :-D
[09:05] <corwin> lol :)
[09:05] <vuntz> zenlunatic: go to warty
[09:05] <RageMax> does anyone run ubuntu on a dual usb ibook?
[09:06] <moquist> vuntz: do you know what zenlunatic is looking at?  I don't.
[09:06] <zenlunatic> uh why is the .iso only 32 bytes?
[09:06] <vuntz> moquist: "how do i know which one is livecd"
[09:07] <vuntz> zenlunatic: it's a directory
[09:07] <Earthe1> can some one give me the link for Ubuntu 64 bit
[09:07] <zenlunatic> does warty have gnome 2.8?
[09:08] <Agrajag> yes
[09:08] <jcoventry> hello
[09:10] <moquist> zenlunatic: vuntz|brb misunderstood my question.  where were you looking when you saw ".htaccess .pool 4.10 -> warty/ jigit warty"?  Is that a webpage?  A directory?
[09:12] <sm> can real player be made to work with esd ? the instructions at ubuntuguide.org don't mention that it won't start unless you kill esd
[09:14] <Earthe1> can someone tell me where to download Ubuntu 64bit I can't seem to find the link on the home page
[09:15] <sladen> Earthe1: same directory as the other downloads.  Look for the one that ends in 'amd64.iso
[09:15] <jcoventry> hello
[09:15] <jcoventry> i got myself stuck in Ubuntu command line mode (ctrl+alt+F1)
[09:15] <jcoventry> how do i switch back to GUI mode?
[09:15] <Earthe1> ok that is what i was looking for
[09:15] <Earthe1> but i didn't see it
[09:16] <jcoventry> anyone available to help?
[09:17] <Earthe1> I think it is ctrl+alt and f6
[09:17] <adam_> f7
[09:17] <Earthe1> or f
[09:17] <Earthe1> f7
[09:17] <jcoventry> none of them work
[09:18] <Earthe1> did you kill X
[09:18] <jcoventry> no....
[09:19] <zenlunatic> moquist its a server that has downloads.
[09:19] <christian_> how can I reset the root password for ubuntu?
[09:19] <moquist> christian_: sudo passwd root
[09:19] <christian_> thanks
[09:19] <thenuke> christian_: but you really do not need the root account
[09:19] <Earthe1> I don't know then,i'm just a newbi so i don't know much sorry
[09:20] <thenuke> sudo -s gives you root shell
[09:20] <christian_> i cannot change the permissions for usr/lib
[09:20] <jcoventry> anyone else help?
[09:20] <christian_> i am trying to install an mplayer2
[09:21] <moquist> thenuke: what's the real difference between using 'su -' and using 'sudo -s'?  doesn't it amount to the same thing?  I guess if you don't disallow root login for ssh it's different, but other than that...?
[09:21] <jcoventry> christian, are you using the package manager?
[09:21] <strangerincolumb> Here's a question:  I only have one line (besides cdrom) in my /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[09:21] <strangerincolumb> That one line gives me lots of errors when I try to apt-get update.  Lots of stuff about "couldn't stat source package list..." and "gzip returned an error code."  Anyone experience this?
[09:22] <jcoventry> christian, have you done : sudo /etc/apt/sources.list and entered the necessary lines?
[09:22] <adam_> strangerincolumb: i've had that before
[09:22] <christian_> no
[09:22] <strangerincolumb> adam: were you able to fix it?
[09:22] <jcoventry> christian, do that.
[09:22] <christian_> i do not know much about linux
[09:22] <jcoventry> on the website for mplayer they should provide the info needed
[09:22] <adam_> strangerincolumb: it is fixed now, i cant remember how
[09:23] <adam_> strangerincolumb: sorry
[09:23] <strangerincolumb> ha!  that's sucks.  Its really weird.  I have the repository keyed in right.
[09:23] <strangerincolumb> thanks anyway.
[09:25] <christian_> when i entered sudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:25] <christian_> i get the following error
[09:25] <christian_> command not found
[09:25] <christian_> this is pretty much a new install
[09:26] <christian_> installed 3 days ago
[09:26] <mameluke> Can somebody help me? I already have this problem longer time... all my videoplayers just show bluescreen, but i can hear the sound... what the heck is wrong?
[09:26] <carthikSchool> christian, you want to use an editor to edit that file
[09:26] <carthikSchool> christian, try
[09:26] <moquist> christian_: that's because /etc/apt/sources.list is not a command
[09:26] <christian_> ok
[09:26] <carthikSchool> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:26] <carthikSchool> or, if not vi, use pico, or somesuch
[09:26] <moquist> christian_: heh, or 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' :)
[09:27] <carthikSchool> mameluke, that's cause the codecs might be missing
[09:27] <carthikSchool> read the mulimedia howto at the forums
[09:27] <jcoventry> any someone help me get out of command line mode?
[09:27] <carthikSchool> jcoventry, what is command line mode?
[09:27] <christian_> ok
[09:27] <carthikSchool> how did you get there?
[09:27] <christian_> thanks carthik
[09:27] <catdog> jconventry - ctrl-alt-f7 doesn't work?
[09:27] <jcoventry> ctrl+alt+f1
[09:27] <jcoventry> no, it doesnt
[09:28] <carthikSchool> joventry, try ctrl+alt+f7 or f6
[09:28] <mameluke> carthikSchool, thx... strange is that on the other PC with the same installation i never had this problem
[09:28] <jcoventry> i've already tried that
[09:28] <jcoventry> thats the problem!
[09:28] <carthikSchool> jcoventry in the current window type startx
[09:28] <carthikSchool> or sudo startx
[09:28] <jcoventry> eh first of all..
[09:28] <jcoventry> how do i get out of man()
[09:28] <mameluke> q
[09:29] <jcoventry> thankyou
[09:29] <mameluke> it's alway's q ;)
[09:29] <strangerincolumb> exit
[09:29] <jcoventry> em
[09:29] <jcoventry> sudo startx creates an error
[09:29] <carthikSchool> jcoventry read man man first :)
[09:29] <jcoventry> and exit logs me out,
[09:29] <jcoventry> i did!
[09:29] <carthikSchool> jcoventry what's the error?
[09:29] <jcoventry> fatal server rror
[09:29] <jcoventry> server error*
[09:30] <jcoventry> server is already active for display 0
[09:30] <carthikSchool> jcoventry, how did you get to the current session?
[09:30] <jcoventry> ctrl+alt+F1 whilst i was in the GUI
[09:31] <mameluke> lol carthikSchool, the HOWTO isn't yet written :P
[09:31] <carthikSchool> alright, jcoventry try all sessions from ctrl alt f1 thru f9
[09:31] <jcoventry> already done that...
[09:32] <carthikSchool> mameluke, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 it is written afaik
[09:32] <carthikSchool> jcoventry, beats me
[09:32] <carthikSchool> when in doubt, reboot :) jcoventry, got a problem with rebooting?
[09:32] <jcoventry> nah
[09:32] <jcoventry> i can do that
[09:32] <jcoventry> but i've already done that once:P
[09:33] <christian_> one other question
[09:33] <christian_> gaim is starting twice at startup
[09:33] <christian_> how can i make only one instance of it start?
[09:36] <jcoventry> ok rebooted now..
[09:36] <kent> christian_, have you tried closing all apps, becides those you want to start automatic on boot, and then save session in the logout dialog?
[09:36] <christian_> no
[09:37] <christian_> thanks i think i have it
[09:38] <thully> is there going to be a new live CD anytime soon?  The current one has broken ppp and wi-fi
[09:38] <|QuaD-> thully: probably not till hoary
[09:39] <|QuaD-> thully: i don't think it is broken (haven't heard that before)
[09:40] <thully> I filed a bug and not much has been done with it
[09:40] <thully> Every CD has had broken ipw2200 wireless and broken ppp
[09:41] <thully> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3252
[09:41] <thully> That's the bug
[09:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> any news abour newshipments?
[09:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> bad typo =/
[09:42] <thully> Also, what is the deal with Hoary's GNOME server - it's breaking third party apps sound left and right
[09:42] <|QuaD-> thully: you sure that isn't dependent on your setup?
[09:42] <ctd> err, GNOME Server?
[09:42] <thully> yes - Gnome server
[09:42] <|QuaD-> thully: hoary is unstable.... so lots is broken
[09:42] <|QuaD-> thully: there is no such thing
[09:42] <thully> GNOME sound server
[09:43] <ctd> ah
[09:43] <|QuaD-> o
[09:43] <ctd> thully: You can disable it.
[09:43] <thully> yes - but that isn't the desirable solution
[09:43] <thully> I lose all system event sounds that way
[09:43] <thully> Warty's sound server was fine
[09:43] <ctd> thully: In this case, for you it's the only way.
[09:43] <thully> why?
[09:43] <|QuaD-> thully: you using hoary?
[09:44] <thully> yes
[09:44] <|QuaD-> then you should expect things like this
[09:44] <ctd> If you want sound output from anything that doesn't go through esd.. you'll need to kill esd.
[09:44] <CraHan_> dang
[09:44] <CraHan_> is there ever going to be a way to edit the gnome menus in hoary again?
[09:44] <CraHan_> the right click edit properties or delete options are all gone
[09:44] <|QuaD-> CraHan_: heeh... i have no idea what is going on with that :( i think they are fubarred :)
[09:45] <thully> I expect this type of thing to happen - but I do want to say that 1)this didn't occur in Warty w/sound server on and 2)nobody seems to care one bit about this bug, since the 3 programs I had trouble with are all third party apps
[09:45] <CraHan_> I seriously hope it's a bug and not a sane default(tm)
[09:45] <|QuaD-> thully: you are right, we don't care about the bug on hoary
[09:45] <thully> These are - CrossOver Office, Flash, and Conexant HSF modem
[09:45] <|QuaD-> thully: when the developers get around to it, they will fixit
[09:46] <jcoventry> hey
[09:46] <|QuaD-> thully: all unsupported programs, so even if they don't work in final version...
[09:46] <CraHan_> thully sound problems?
[09:46] <jcoventry> i just installed VLC but can't see where it installed it!
[09:46] <thully> does anybody know why this happens on hoary and not on hoary?  what was changed w/the font sound server
[09:46] <|QuaD-> thully: if you have these concerns and are asking these questions, don't you question why you are using this?
[09:46] <carthikSchool> jcoventry, what's vlc?
[09:47] <CraHan_> hoary is dangerous ground atm :)
[09:47] <thully> using what - ubuntu or hoary in particular
[09:47] <|QuaD-> thully: hoary... and not warty
[09:47] <jcoventry> VLC is videolan multimedia player
[09:47] <jcoventry> which can play quicktime fils, mpeg, mov, wmp, avi, etc
[09:47] <mirak_> if I am in hoary, can I go back to warty ?
[09:47] <jdz_> mirak_: not easly.  Don't go to hoary if you even think you might want to go back
[09:47] <carthikSchool> jcoventry when you installed it, what was the binary file called?
[09:48] <thully> I am less confused about the bugs than the fact that no people seem to really care about them - they aren't critical, but they still are bugs that should be dealt with
[09:48] <mirak_> jdz_: I am in hoary
[09:48] <mirak_> jdz_: but some bugs are severe
[09:48] <jcoventry> not sure, carhikschool
[09:48] <|QuaD-> thully: do you know they AREN"T being dealt with?
[09:48] <jdz_> mirak_: You should report them then
[09:48] <carthikSchool> jocoventry, did you install it using synaptic or what?
[09:48] <|QuaD-> thully: you are using a developmental system with unsupported applications, expect bugs and little response
[09:48] <jcoventry> synaptic, yes
[09:48] <mirak_> jdz_: I think some are, like the spontaneous loss of mounts
[09:49] <thully> Yes - I report them and the fact that they occur in unsupported apps results in them being closed
[09:49] <|QuaD-> thully: you can also develop the solution
[09:49] <|QuaD-> thully: exactly
[09:49] <carthikSchool> jcoventry, go to synaptic, then and search for the program again. whatever name shows up is what you want to type in a command prompt
[09:49] <jdz_> mirak_: There's a wiki page about going back to warty, should you be brave
[09:49] <carthikSchool> like $vlc (if the package was called that)
[09:50] <carthikSchool> or click on information and see the installed files, in synaptic, for that package
[09:50] <jcoventry> its just called vlc
[09:50] <thully> Ubuntu really needs a way to report bugs like this - in universe and unsupported apps, in cases when free software is at fault
[09:50] <rick_> Is there a burning app in Ubuntu or just command line/
[09:50] <carthikSchool> jcoventry, alright then, try typing just $vlc
[09:50] <carthikSchool> and if that doesn't work, $sudo vlc
[09:50] <jcoventry> joshua@ubuntu:~ $ vlc
[09:50] <jcoventry> VLC media player
[09:50] <|QuaD-> thully: the free software might be at fault... the developers just aren't developing the solution hence UNSUPPORTED
[09:51] <jcoventry> then there is an error, : Illegal insturction
[09:51] <|QuaD-> thully: they might fix it later on down the road, you just can't expect it in this unstable release
[09:51] <thully> How are they going to fix it if they won't accept a bug report?
[09:51] <carthikSchool> jcoventry install gnome-vlc and then type gnome-vlc at the terminal
[09:52] <|QuaD-> thully: i don't develop for them, i wouldn't know.... but once again, expect NOTHING out of hoary... it is not supported and they don't currently care if things aren't working
[09:52] <carthikSchool> you prolly need a gui frontend anyways, so use the gnome-vlc frotend
[09:52] <jcoventry> k shall i install it through the package manager?
[09:52] <|QuaD-> actually they care, but let them first fix what they are fixing
[09:52] <carthikSchool> jcoventry yes, or you can do apt-get install gnome-vlc which is the same thing, minus the gui that is synaptic
[09:53] <jcoventry> ah its downolading it
[09:53] <jcoventry> through the package manager
[09:53] <Rene_S> Good Morning, Afternoon, or Evening, pick the one that applies and consider your self greeted.
[09:53] <carthikSchool> good day, Rene_S
[09:53] <jcoventry> evening, Rene_S
[09:54] <Rene_S> Afternoon people
[09:54] <thully> I'm not concerned that they aren't doing anything NOW - I'm more concerned that the attitude is "We're not going to fix it - all problems is the other software's fault"
[09:54] <DagaZ> how do I install kde on ubuntu? do I have to add sources somewhere or something?
[09:54] <Rene_S> and what a truly horrid one it is today
[09:54] <carthikSchool> jcoventry, what gives? (i gotta get busy grading...)
[09:54] <jcoventry> its done downloadnig it
[09:54] <carthikSchool> DagaZ yes, add the universe component and then install kde. works for me :)
[09:54] <jcoventry> and i type gnome-vlc in the terminal and i get the same error
[09:54] <DagaZ> carthikSchool: ok.. thanx
[09:55] <carthikSchool> jcoventry, try sudo gnome-vlc
[09:55] <jcoventry> same error
[09:55] <Rene_S> DagaZ, why install KDE, Ubuntu really isnt a KDE distro. just curious.
[09:55] <carthikSchool> jcoventry, i hope you are not on a text terminal, are you?
[09:55] <jcoventry> oh oh...
[09:55] <jcoventry> lallalalaallala
[09:56] <DagaZ> carthikSchool: hmmm.. how do I add universe?
[09:56] <jcoventry> i get the same in the root terminal
[09:56] <jcoventry> brb
[09:56] <carthikSchool> Dagaz, edit /etc/apt/sources.list or use synaptic -> settings -> repositories
[09:57] <jcoventry> back
[09:57] <thully> I realize that these packages are unsupported - but it should at least matter a little to the developers if Flash, CrossOver office, and winmodem drivers have no sound - as this is common desktop software that the typical Ubuntu user DOES care about
[09:57] <carthikSchool> Rene_S, I use it because it is more customizable, and has kile, kdevelop, it takes less memory etc...
[09:57] <|QuaD-> thully: maybe hoary isn't for you
[09:58] <jcoventry> cartholschool. any more suggestions?
[09:58] <carthikSchool> thully, they are not all open source, so there is little anyone can do about it.
[09:58] <thully> Yes - I realize this is an unstable distribution - I'm not conserned that it isn't fixed now - I'm more concerned that it looks like it will NEVER be fixed
[09:58] <|QuaD-> thully: if you require bleeding edge software with complete support, hoary is almost definitely not for you
[09:58] <|QuaD-> thully: you don't know that...
[09:58] <Rene_S> carthikSchool, I see, valid points, guess I sometimes forget people do work hehe
[09:58] <carthikSchool> thully, hoary has about 6 months left in alpha/beta, so i don't see why they should fix bugs in a great hurry :)
[09:59] <|QuaD-> carthikSchool: because thully said so!
[09:59] <|QuaD-> lol
[09:59] <carthikSchool> Rene_S, I use gnome's desktop with a kicker hidden away in a corner ;)
[09:59] <thully> I'm not concerned that it doesn't work now - I'm more concerned that they don't even want a bug report in their system
[09:59] <Rene_S> carthikSchool, I used to do that hehe
[09:59] <|QuaD-> thully: you don't need to be concerned
[10:00] <carthikSchool> thully, dude, that is not opensource software (crosssover office) so there is no way of knowing what it does that makes thing NOT work...
[10:00] <|QuaD-> thully: if you dont like the development platform, don't use the product. The developers will not be upset
[10:00] <hub> I can't boot the liveCD in VMWare
[10:00] <hub> strange
[10:00] <|QuaD-> carthikSchool: ubuntu isn't for him
[10:00] <|QuaD-> hub: can you boot livecds in a vm?
[10:00] <|QuaD-> i have never tried
[10:01] <hub> I want to try it
[10:01] <carthikSchool> |QuaD- he's got to decide, but it is difficult to adapt ... prolly, to a new system
[10:01] <hub> it attempts to boot of the net and then says it can't find a bootable cd
[10:01] <jcoventry> wel l i'm stil getting this error
[10:01] <hub> ...
[10:02] <|QuaD-> carthikSchool: but what he wants out of the system isn't what ubuntu provides
[10:02] <carthikSchool> jcoventry, hmmm... i wish i could see what's going on, but I cant :)
[10:02] <jcoventry> well ehh
[10:02] <jcoventry> lol
[10:02] <carthikSchool> |QuaD- you're right about that
[10:02] <jcoventry> the best way to do this is just give me steps on how you'd do it
[10:02] <hub> ok, found out
[10:03] <hub> need to "Emulate Legacy" on CD-ROM
[10:04] <thully> In short, I don't really care that it doesn't work now - that's not what matters to me.  What does matter is that the developers don't care one bit about this and they don't even want a bug report.  I realize that some issues may be with the closed-source software, but in this case - because it worked w/the fontserver on in warty but not in Hoary - almost certainly a change in open source software caused this problem.
[10:05] <|QuaD-> thully: when hoary is more stable, give them the report. you can't expect much from a closed source program though
[10:05] <|QuaD-> thully: you don't understand the idea of an unstable release
[10:05] <carthikSchool> thully, i beleive it has something to do with x.org then, and maybe the closed-source software doesn't play too well with that.
[10:06] <magnuscanis> Hi all!
[10:06] <thully> Yes, I do.  I just don't understand the total opposition to any sort of bug report that may have the slightest to do with closed source software
[10:07] <thully> I don't expect it to be fixed pronto - but I do know that with no bug report, it will likely never be fixed
[10:07] <magnuscanis> Prob. a silly question but how do I get source files using synaptic?  I've got several source repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and have searched for packages with names ending in -source, but I'm turning up far fewer than I'd expect to.
[10:08] <|QuaD-> thully: no one is forcing you to use ubuntu. if you don't like the development model, there are many other distros outthere
[10:08] <carthikSchool> thully, you miss the point -- a bug report has to have details which help them troubleshoot - now most opensource "freaks" like yours truly dont use those systems/sw . so there is no merit in such bug reports, to put it one way
[10:08] <carthikSchool> magnuscanis, are you trying to get the kernel source?
[10:08] <thully> so - this isn't a distribution that puts the users first - it is a distribution that puts the purists first?
[10:08] <magnuscanis> carthikSchool: not particularly - more sources for other files
[10:08] <thully> Even debian accepts bugs for non-free packages
[10:08] <FX|Laptop> 2.6.8.1-3-686-smp
[10:08] <FX|Laptop>  That is my kernel, where can I get the headers to upgrade to the latest nvidia drivers?
[10:09] <|QuaD-> thully: it is a distribution that produces stable software
[10:09] <|QuaD-> thully: no one is stopping you from using that distro
[10:09] <|QuaD-> thully: no one is also stopping you from developing your own solution
[10:09] <carthikSchool> magnuscanis, oh, I see. well, this is a binary distro, so the source is not always available...
[10:09] <|QuaD-> carthikSchool: the source isn't always available? it definitely should be
[10:10] <|QuaD-> according to gpl
[10:10] <carthikSchool> thully, that is a sophism. it's not who's put first. it's just the way things are...
[10:10] <|QuaD-> carthikSchool: i think he is trolling
[10:10] <magnuscanis> carthikSchool, I hadn't realised Ubuntu was a binary distro.  I like it a lot anyway (well, so far - I've been using it one week) and I suppose I can get the sources elsewhere
[10:10] <carthikSchool> |QuaD- the source from which the binaries are compiled for ubuntu, for various packages, are not available in the repository
[10:10] <|QuaD-> carthikSchool: i didn't know that
[10:10] <|QuaD-> interesting
[10:10] <carthikSchool> magnuscanis, it works for me... :)
[10:11] <|QuaD-> i thouhgt you could dl any source
[10:11] <|QuaD-> that isn't non-free
[10:11] <thully> No - I am not trolling
[10:11] <saif> hello! it's the first time i use linux, installed ubuntu everything is running fine so far, can't figure out this whole pachagin and apt-get and stuff like that, can eny1 provide me with a good source for such stuff?!
[10:11] <carthikSchool> |QuaD- the kernel source is not available, for my kernel, but I can 'make' things that need the source using the headers...
[10:11] <thully> I am just expressing my views on an issue - and I thought Ubuntu was open to different viewpoints
[10:12] <carthikSchool> saif, try using synaptic for starters, and you will learn as you go along :)
[10:12] <|QuaD-> carthikSchool: kernel-source-2.6.8 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches
[10:12] <|QuaD-> kernel-source-2.6.9 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.9 with Debian patches
[10:12] <|QuaD-> thully: those views are noted. is there anything else we can help you with
[10:12] <mameluke> shiiit... i used apt-get dist-upgrade and now apt fills my hwole drive, saying that i have to run a programm i i wan't to leave the changes... does anybody know the name of the programm? i think it removes unnessesary things
[10:12] <carthikSchool> |QuaD-, mine's 2.6.8.1-3-686 :)
[10:12] <saif> :)
[10:12] <mameluke> hrm, my english is so bad
[10:13] <saif> what is synaptec?? the anti virus?
[10:13] <|QuaD-> carthikSchool: interesting... isn't that still the same source?
[10:13] <|QuaD-> just different build?
[10:13] <thully> I perfectly understand what an unstable version is, and I expect issues like this
[10:13] <|QuaD-> -686 is the build
[10:13] <magnuscanis> saif, synaptic is a nice GUI frontend to apt
[10:13] <|QuaD-> -3 i thought was build number
[10:13] <|QuaD-> don't know the .1
[10:13] <thully> I just didn't expect that there would be absolutely zero interest in fixing them
[10:13] <carthikSchool> |Quad- 1-3 is the latest kernel (I think)...
[10:13] <saif> oh oh
[10:14] <saif> :)
[10:14] <saif> yeah i've been using that one!
[10:14] <|QuaD-> carthikSchool: interesting
[10:14] <carthikSchool> thully, now did the discussion help you begin to see why that could be so?
[10:14] <saif> but some programs exist where i dont' find the .deb binary
[10:14] <|QuaD-> i don't knwo what the 1-3 means
[10:14] <magnuscanis> it should come preinstalled with Ubuntu.  Assuming you're running Gnome as it installed by default (at least on my machine) you'll find it in the system configuration submenu of the computer menu on the top panel
[10:14] <saif> so i have to get the srouce code,
[10:14] <saif> and stuff like that,
[10:14] <magnuscanis> That's just what I've been asking about too :)
[10:14] <saif> i run configure,
[10:14] <|QuaD-> carthikSchool: thully just doesn't like the distro model.... let him rant and rave... he knows where we stand
[10:14] <saif> then i do sudo make command
[10:14] <saif> but then
[10:15] <thully> I also thought that Ubuntu was for desktop users - most desktop users are going to want Flash working
[10:15] <saif> it tells me that i don't have GTK+ >2
[10:15] <FX|Laptop> Would anyone know where I can get the kernel headers for the 2.6.8.1-3-686-smp
[10:15] <FX|Laptop>  kernel
[10:15] <|QuaD-> thully: flash works fine here
[10:15] <magnuscanis> sakf
[10:15] <saif> i checked in synaptec, and the gtk is there
[10:15] <mjr> it's supposed to be a free distro for desktop users
[10:15] <thully> sound?
[10:15] <saif> do i have to start it in someway??
[10:15] <mjr> read the philosophy
[10:15] <thully> does that work?
[10:15] <|QuaD-> thully: yup
[10:15] <thully> on hoary?
[10:15] <|QuaD-> mjr: exactyl
[10:15] <|QuaD-> thully: hoary
[10:16] <thully> I think it must be quirk with my sound card, the sound server, and Flash
[10:16] <magnuscanis> sorry for the typo. I meant saif :) 'fraid I don't know much about that as I haven't yet tried compiling anything from source using Ubuntu (except my own small progs which don't use gtk anyway)
[10:16] <thully> and I think it's mostly about the first two
[10:17] <saif> :)
[10:17] <thully> Where may I see the philosophy?
[10:17] <saif> ok
[10:17] <|QuaD-> thully: who knows.... but the point being we don't support it until its released
[10:17] <saif> anyways,
[10:17] <saif> u know of any good place where i can know stuff?!?!
[10:17] <saif> like a site with a collection HOWTOs
[10:17] <Agrajag> www.tldp.org
[10:17] <|QuaD-> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/philosophy/document_view
[10:17] <thully> yes - but how will it be fixed for the hoary release if it isn't reported at some point before the hoary release?  I'm kind of baffled.
[10:18] <|QuaD-> thully: it might not be, its not supported
[10:18] <magnuscanis> saif, Agrajag beat me to it :)
[10:18] <saif> cool
[10:18] <|QuaD-> thully... this is the last time we will tell you, closed source programs are NOT supported and ubuntu developers will not fix problems
[10:18] <saif> thanks
[10:18] <|QuaD-> or thats a lie
[10:18] <|QuaD-> they might fix problems....
[10:18] <|QuaD-> but they do not support the problems
[10:18] <carthikSchool> saif, start living at the forums, wiki :)
[10:19] <|QuaD-> and don't guarentee a fix
[10:19] <thully> OK -I guess I see now what the whole philosphy of ubuntu is now
[10:19] <thully> Thanks
[10:19] <saif> ok
[10:19] <saif> now my first target is to get xmms to work!
[10:19] <saif> better go check this gtk problem out!
[10:19] <|QuaD-> thully: no problem
[10:20] <thully> I'm not mad or anything - I just didn't fully understand the priorities of Ubuntu
[10:20] <|QuaD-> the priorities are making a stable linux distro
[10:20] <|QuaD-> with usable features
[10:20] <|QuaD-> etc etc
[10:20] <|QuaD-> listed on that page
[10:21] <thully> Sorry for being a bit jerky - I just was a little frustrated - I just happen to have a difference of opinion here
[10:22] <saif> i donno about it being stable!! but for a first time user, not being able to run 2 operating systems after it says it should, was a huge disspointment to me!
[10:22] <|QuaD-> thully: this distro is not for everyone
[10:22] <|QuaD-> saif: interesting, what happened
[10:22] <saif> windows XP hanged, anyways, turns out the kernel 2.6
[10:22] <saif> bug
[10:22] <carthikSchool> thully, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/bugreporting is an overview.. leads to a howto write a bug report.. the first thing that says is that the bug should be reproducible... which is where the ball stops rolling, for closed-source software...
[10:22] <|QuaD-> saif: interesting... did you file a bug report? and warty right?
[10:23] <saif> i had to copy the layout of the tables using the sfdisk command
[10:23] <saif> bug report?!
[10:23] <saif> nop
[10:23] <|QuaD-> bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[10:23] <|QuaD-> bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[10:23] <saif> it's not an ubuntu bug
[10:23] <carthikSchool> thully, i am sorry if i sound too long drawn :)
[10:23] <saif> it's been there for a while
[10:23] <|QuaD-> hmm, i know dual booters though
[10:23] <saif> all distros using 2.6
[10:23] <thully> I think that , while in an ideal world everybody would watch Ogg Theora and download oggs to their iRiver - but I feel some allowance needs to be made for closed formats at this point
[10:23] <saif> have this problem!
[10:24] <carthikSchool> gotta go guys, see y'all later.
[10:24] <|QuaD-> thully: ubuntu doesn't
[10:24] <saif> yeah yeah
[10:24] <saif> then how come after installing ubuntu
[10:24] <saif> it detected that i have windows
[10:24] <saif> and said that i will be able to run windows if i chose it at boot,
[10:24] <|QuaD-> saif: thats why i suggest filing a bug, post on the forums, or email the users list
[10:24] <saif> then when i chose it at boot time
[10:24] <|QuaD-> someone might tell you how to fix it
[10:25] <|QuaD-> i don't dual boot so i don't knwo
[10:25] <saif> ok
[10:25] <saif> i did fix it!
[10:25] <saif> :)
[10:25] <|QuaD-> how?
[10:25] <saif> i'm just saying that it was very annoying!
[10:25] <|QuaD-> hehe :)
[10:25] <|QuaD-> finally he left
[10:25] <saif> well,
[10:25] <|QuaD-> saif: do you really NEED windows?
[10:26] <saif> hell yeah
[10:26] <saif> man,
[10:26] <saif> i can't play mp3s yet!
[10:26] <carthiSchool_> my office has no windows... :( it's a cave)
[10:26] <saif> i am a devloper
[10:26] <|QuaD-> haha wow
[10:26] <saif> web developer
[10:26] <saif> c#
[10:26] <|QuaD-> carthiSchool_: mine too!!!
[10:26] <mjr> saif, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:26] <|QuaD-> saif: yeah... i have windows in my lab for that
[10:26] <|QuaD-> carthiSchool_: yesterday i got a window on my door
[10:26] <|QuaD-> does that count?
[10:27] <carthiSchool_> |Quad- :)
[10:27] <saif> anyways,
[10:27] <carthiSchool_> |QuaD- i hate rooms without windows...
[10:27] <saif> the reason i am doing linux now, is that i become totally dependent to microsoft
[10:27] <saif> and i dont' want to be,
[10:27] <carthiSchool_> have fun, guys. I need some fresh air, and smoke.
[10:27] <|QuaD-> saif: mono works well
[10:27] <|QuaD-> yeah i am tired and need to leave this place
[10:28] <|QuaD-> have a nice night guys
[10:28] <saif> good ngiht!
[10:28] <saif> thanx alot!
[10:28] <saif> bye every1 i go too!
[10:28] <saif> oh
[10:29] <saif> if any1 has a problem booting windows after ubuntu
[10:29] <saif> type this:
[10:29] <saif> sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk --no-reread -H255 /dev/hda
[10:30] <saif> that is the only useful thing i know in linux! :) and since some ppl here think that ubuntu doesn't have such a problem,
[10:30] <saif> i'm sure some1 will come asking about it's solution! will go report the buyg now!
[10:30] <saif> peace!
[10:30] <AMIGrAve> does ubuntu have the same social contract than debian ?
[10:43] <intinig> I'm amazed
[10:44] <intinig> my girlfriend just brought her usb pen-drive... and it worked flawlessly
[10:44] <intinig> !!!
[10:45] <thully> hi - I guess I understand the Ubuntu policy better now
[10:46] <thully> The policy on non-free software, that is
[10:47] <thully> Would it be appropriate to make a note of my Flash troubles and the current workaround on the RestrictedFormats wiki
[10:47] <thully> Also, do you think upstream wants to know about my trouble w/Flash and sound with the font server
[10:47] <thully> GNOME upstream, that is
[10:48] <alexissoft> hi
[10:51] <pnms> hi
[10:51] <pnms> I am the author of a opensource software synthesizer for Linux (and windows)
[10:51] <pnms> I would like that my software would be a part of ubuntu linux
[10:53] <pnms> ok.. nobody is interested
[10:53] <pnms> so bye
[10:55] <Tomcat_> lol
[10:55] <Rene_S> hmmmmmmmmm
[10:55] <Tomcat_> Can't be good.
[10:55] <Rene_S> odd fellow
[10:55] <Rene_S> Not a good salesman at any rate
[10:55] <Tomcat_> "Of course my synthesizer is the best the world has seen and there is none at all like it for Linux... if these Ubuntu people aren't interested within 1,5 minutes, I'm gone!"
[10:56] <Rene_S> Well then Tomcat, Your Fired
[10:56] <olorin> Tomcat_: lol
[10:56] <Tomcat_> :P
[10:58] <olorin> have a question ... does anybody know a good X gnome-theme editor ?
[11:00] <umarmung> olorin, vim :P
[11:00] <umarmung> there are none
[11:00] <olorin> umarmung: lol
[11:01] <olorin> umarmung: ok, it was my question in fact ...
[11:01] <olorin> umarmung: i edit the theme preference with emacs :)
[11:01] <olorin> umarmung: thx
[11:01] <umarmung> olorin, well there is a icon theme editor though
[11:02] <olorin> umarmung: ok .. i just want to keep a fixed theme and just change the color ... suppose it's quite easy ...
[11:03] <Ruffian|Q|> whats a console command to settup networking?  I moved my Ubuntu HD into a new machine with onboard lan - and I gotta configure it
[11:03] <umarmung> olorin, depending on the theme it can be very simple
[11:03] <umarmung> olorin, you can "override" colors in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 without changing the theme
[11:04] <olorin> umarmung: :o, that's a good idea !
[11:05] <nuttymango> Hello. I've been checking google and ubuntu forums but can't install warty from my old Celeron 433 with ATAPI cd-rom. If anyone thinks they might help I'll tell you the error msg.
[11:05] <lukins> hello, what compiler optimazations does the standard ubuntu distro have?
[11:05] <olorin> nuttymango: so tell us the error message ;)
[11:06] <nuttymango> Oops! Should be not "from" but "on" my old pc. Error msg is "Installation cd-rom could not be mounted" I think cause there's no atapi driver on the wart cd.
[11:07] <nuttymango> Maybe I can make a boot floppy with the ATAPI drive? I'm thinking that ATAPI cd-roms are different from IDE cd-roms and not supported by the Warty installation cd.
[11:08] <olorin> nuttymango: i don't know really, sorry
[11:08] <Ruffian|Q|> Should I upgrade to hoary after a fresh install of Ubuntu?
[11:08] <nuttymango> Dang! No one knows on the Ubuntu forums either!
[11:08] <lukins> nutty, try a program, i think called floppybootloader
[11:08] <olorin> Ruffian|Q|: of course yes
[11:09] <lukins> you put a disk in and it boots your cdrom
[11:09] <Ruffian|Q|> olorin - how hard is it?
[11:09] <nuttymango> floppybootloader has an atapi driver on it?
[11:09] <olorin> Ruffian|Q|: quite esay ...
[11:09] <Ruffian|Q|> ok
[11:09] <lukins> nutty, don't know,just a thought
[11:09] <olorin> Ruffian|Q|: but are you sure you want a unstable distro ?
[11:09] <Ruffian|Q|> no
[11:09] <Ruffian|Q|> im not sure
[11:10] <nuttymango> lukins, thanks I'll give it a try.
[11:10] <olorin> Ruffian|Q|: if you realy want it ... you just have to change all the warty reference in /etc/apt/sources.list with hoary
[11:11] <Ruffian|Q|> then apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:11] <olorin> Ruffian|Q|: after, run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:11] <lukins> i cannot for the life of me find this anywhere, is there an -march=686 option on ubuntu?
[11:11] <Ruffian|Q|> ok
[11:11] <mjt> lukins: it's a gcc option, not ubuntu option ;)
[11:11] <olorin> Ruffian|Q|: but be carefull
[11:11] <Ruffian|Q|> ill back up my current Ubuntu files in SUSE (My install is screwed up!)
[11:11] <Ruffian|Q|> bbib
[11:12] <lukins> wjt, i know, how is ubuntu compiled? that's what i'd like to know
[11:12] <olorin> Ruffian|Q|: I tried Hoary and i go back to a mixed distro
[11:13] <olorin> Ruffian|Q|: Warty by default et some hoary package for firefox, gaim etc.
[11:13] <mjt> lukins: there's no eg "use flags" (like in gentoo) in ubuntu. each package is compiled by appropriate debian/rules (make)file.
[11:13] <mjt> lukins: see also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/optimised-packages
[11:15] <tom_> Anyone had any luck getting all the extra buttons on the logitech mx 1000 mouse to work? xev reports all the extra buttons as either 1/2/3 and nothing above 5
[11:16] <rkatz> Hi, I just installed ubuntu for the first time.
[11:16] <rkatz> The fonts are so small on the login prompt I cannot tell what the options are.
[11:16] <wasabi_> Anybody know of a wget like utility that takes multiple URLs and downloads the same file in peices from them and then puts them together?
[11:16] <wasabi_> for standard http/ftp.
[11:16] <rkatz> Anyone know what to do? I searched the site but it doesn't seem to have any posts like that.
[11:16] <wasabi_> If I thought of it, I know somebody else did.
[11:17] <olorin> rkatz: check the resolution
[11:17] <thenuke> rkatz: and check this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Gtk1Fonts
[11:17] <olorin> rkatz: what kind of screen do you have ?
[11:17] <olorin> rkatz: what's the resolution ?
[11:17] <rkatz> this is on bootup, the first screen, I don't know how to check resolution there.
[11:18] <rkatz> screen is Viewsonic PF775
[11:18] <thenuke> and the default resolution is something not suitable if you have small monitor
[11:18] <thenuke> how many inches?
[11:18] <rkatz> 15
[11:18] <rkatz> 15"
[11:20] <thenuke> try to change the resolution, I do not remember where it was donet
[11:20] <thenuke> but it cant be very hidden
[11:21] <rkatz> how would one change the resolution if they cannot read the screen?
[11:21] <rkatz> I can, however, login, but then where would it be changed?
[11:21] <olorin> rkatz: maybe you might edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and change the resolution there and restart X
[11:21] <rkatz> But once I login, it looks fine.
[11:21] <olorin> rkatz: CRTL-ALT-F1
[11:21] <thenuke> rkatz: oh, I bet you need to check that wiki-url I pointed to you
[11:22] <thenuke> rkatz: if everything seems to be ok when you are logged in
[11:23] <thenuke> and try changing the number 11 to something bigger like 14
[11:23] <thenuke> and that number 11 is in that  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Gtk1Fonts
[11:23] <paradoxmo> i can't seem to get gnome-vfs to work with ssh. does anyone have any experience with that?
[11:24] <tom_> Anyone had any luck getting all the extra buttons on the logitech mx 1000 mouse to work? xev reports all the extra buttons as either 1/2/3 and nothing above 5
[11:24] <daaku> i've got a wireless network card (orinoco iirc), on a laptop, and the installer cd picked it up fine, but it doesnt seem to want to work now that i'm in the system
[11:25] <paradoxmo> tom: is your xorg.conf mouse section using protocol "ExplorerPS/2"?
[11:25] <paradoxmo> or XF86Config
[11:25] <rkatz> as I said before, it is fine once I get logged in...it is the login prompt screen that is doing the small fonts.
[11:26] <paradoxmo> daaku: what kind of card (pc card/cardbus/pci)
[11:26] <rkatz> And I already edited the .gtkrc.mine file...to no avail.
[11:26] <tom_> paradoxmo its xorg, and its just using ImPS/2, will that change fix it?
[11:26] <rkatz> I think is it ATI
[11:26] <paradoxmo> tom: you have reminded me that i wanted to write a tutorial on this
[11:26] <olorin> paradoxmo: there is a howto on the gentoo forum maybe it can help you, it's really just an xserver config
[11:27] <thenuke> rkatz: did you try to change that number 11 to something bigger
[11:27] <olorin> paradoxmo: sorry it was for tom
[11:27] <paradoxmo> olorin: for the mouse thing? tom needed that, but i want to see it too
[11:27] <thenuke> I had to do so to get things ok
[11:27] <tom_> paradoxmo: please do :) The linuxgamers.net one talks about evdev, but it appears the ubuntu xorg is built without it, and there is nothing in ubuntu forums or the wiki that i could find
[11:27] <paradoxmo> tom_: let me /msg you my mouse section
[11:27] <olorin> paradoxmo: tom_ http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=246605&highlight=logitech
[11:27] <Morphalus> hello
[11:27] <tom_> paradoxmo thanks :)
[11:28] <thenuke> for test, start mplayer, and get into it's preferences, if test in the preferences menu are too small to read, that gtkrc thing will help
[11:28] <daaku> paradoxmo: its an old laptop, but i think it shows up as a pcmcia card in the third internal slot
[11:28] <olorin> tom_: ... Option      "Buttons" "12"
[11:28] <rkatz> I changed the 11 to 16 and it does not seem to affect anything.
[11:29] <rkatz> yes, I did restart x afterwards.
[11:29] <thenuke> okp
[11:29] <tom_> olorin: i have that too, but it didnt seem to make a difference, ill try the ExplorerPS2 change too
[11:30] <olorin> tom_: and also http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=46
[11:31] <paradoxmo> daaku: what doesn't seem to work?
[11:31] <paradoxmo> what does iwconfig give you?
[11:31] <Jelte> right... time for an odd question... a long time ago i had a little program on my windows box where you have a little puppy (dog) runnin across your desktop, and you can 'play' and 'train' it... silly really, but is there anything like that on linux?  joke xmas pressie ;-)
[11:32] <michael> :-)
[11:33] <paradoxmo> does anyone know about getting an ssh server to show up in networks? i want to see my sftp in a nautilus window
[11:33] <daaku> paradoxmo: it doesnt show up as a network device (ifconfig -a doesnt list it), and manually loading orinoco, orinoco_cs, orinoco_pci or hermes doesnt help. i restarted pcmcia after loading these modules, but that didnt help either
[11:33] <paradoxmo> hmm
[11:33] <olorin> paradoxmo: sftp:// in nautilus
[11:34] <rkatz> q: do you guys run kde under ubuntu?
[11:34] <mjt> is there rsync support for ubuntu archives?
[11:34] <mjt> rkatz: there's a faq item about kde.. ;)
[11:34] <paradoxmo> olorin: i get "Nautilus cannot display "sftp://copland"".
[11:35] <olorin> paradoxmo: try sftp://server:/home/user
[11:35] <rkatz> mjt: I know there is a faq, that is not what I asked.
[11:35] <rkatz> q: do you guys run kde under ubuntu?
[11:35] <olorin> paradoxmo: and try with ip adress otherwise
[11:35] <BiasD> any amd64 users here?
[11:35] <paradoxmo> olorin: it says "Please select another viewer and try again"
[11:36] <BiasD> that just apt-get upgraded?
[11:36] <paradoxmo> it seems like the protocol support isn't even there
[11:36] <paradoxmo> i can use normal sftp just fine
[11:36] <olorin> paradoxmo: i use it @home .. nautilus has no problem with sftp for me ...
[11:37] <BiasD> ive only had success with nautilus+sftp when using ssh-agent and keys
[11:37] <paradoxmo> yeah it's odd, i had it working before i upgraded to hoary...
[11:37] <paradoxmo> BiasD: me too
[11:38] <olorin> paradoxmo: oh i see, soory, i didn't know that
[11:38] <rkatz> can ANYONE direct me to what controls the font size of the freaking login prompt???
[11:38] <paradoxmo> rkatz: you have to go in and play around with the theme file...
[11:39] <paradoxmo> or, alternately, you can use the standard greeter instead of the graphical
[11:39] <rkatz> that's nice, what theme file, where?
[11:39] <rkatz> and play...?
[11:40] <paradoxmo> are you using the standard one? that would be: /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/Human.xml
[11:40] <rkatz> paradoxmo: please, I am new, how do I tell which one is being used?
[11:40] <oscarh> anyone using eclipse?
[11:40] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:41] <paradoxmo> rkatz: computer->system configuration->login screen setup
[11:42] <rkatz> paradoxmo: thanks, yes, Human, standard.
[11:43] <paradoxmo> olorin: any more ideas about what could be wrong? i have no idea what package that support is in
[11:43] <paradoxmo> rkatz, yeah, go into that file (make a backup first)
[11:43] <oscarh> or anyone using javahl?
[11:43] <paradoxmo> search for the string you want to change
[11:43] <paradoxmo> and fix the font size around it
[11:44] <olorin> paradoxmo: do you have this line in sshd_config ?
[11:44] <paradoxmo> hm, actually, what is it that you want to change the font size of?
[11:44] <olorin> paradoxmo: is sftp working in general ?
[11:44] <paradoxmo> yes
[11:45] <paradoxmo> oh wait
[11:45] <paradoxmo> maybe not
[11:45] <templario> hola
[11:45] <rkatz> I don't know, I cannot see it, I assume some language about logging in???
[11:45] <paradoxmo> "Username"?
[11:45] <paradoxmo> do you have an abnormally small screen, or too high resolution? it seems to be a pretty reasonable size
[11:46] <rkatz> Yeah, could be but the fonts in that file all look like 12 but they are not displaying that way on the screen.
[11:46] <rkatz> 15" screen.
[11:46] <paradoxmo> because if it looks abnormal, the problem isn't with the theme file...
[11:46] <templario> hello
[11:46] <rkatz> great, paradoxmo, thank you....now what.
[11:46] <rkatz> ?
[11:46] <templario> i need help
[11:46] <paradoxmo> how does it look when you do Applications->System Tools->New Login in Nested Window?
[11:47] <paradoxmo> olorin: yeah, something's going on with sftp
[11:47] <paradoxmo> scp works but not sftp
[11:47] <paradoxmo> okay, different problem than i thought
[11:47] <olorin> paradoxmo: check sshd_config
[11:48] <paradoxmo> Subsystem	sftp	/usr/lib/sftp-server
[11:48] <paradoxmo> that's the line i need right?
[11:48] <paradoxmo> oh but i'm not checking on the right box ::bangs head::
[11:48] <olorin> paradoxmo: yes ... unfortunatly
[11:49] <paradoxmo> olorin: i think i see it, something funky about a package upgrade that changed the location of that binary
[11:49] <olorin> paradoxmo: I hope it's that
[11:49] <jcole> how does one view a m$ netmeeting session in linux?
[11:49] <olorin> jcole: i think you can't ...
[11:50] <paradoxmo> jcole: google/synaptic for gnomemeeting
[11:50] <sladen> jcole: gnome-meeting
[11:50] <jcole> olorin: i can rdesktop to a m$ terminal server... is it similar?
[11:50] <rkatz> it looks the same, except when I login it still looks small, but when I exit the x screensaver is normal looking.
[11:50] <jcole> i want to view their desktop
[11:50] <rkatz> So I should get a 17" screen and reinstall?
[11:50] <rkatz> or reboot?
[11:51] <paradoxmo> rkatz... no...
[11:51] <paradoxmo> all your other fonts look okay?
[11:51] <paradoxmo> but the login screen is abnormally small
[11:51] <rkatz> I should go back to Mandrake and forget it???
[11:51] <olorin> jcole: if you just want to do X-remote administration you might use a vnc client
[11:51] <paradoxmo> ?
[11:52] <rkatz> once I login things look fine.
[11:52] <rkatz> before I login things cannot be read.
[11:52] <paradoxmo> rkatz: never seen that before. okay. was it a fresh warty install?=
[11:52] <rkatz> yes, fresh, with formatting of hard drive. It doesn't ask any options, except the resolution, but I have had 1024x768 on this screen just fine.
[11:53] <rkatz> ...under other distributions.
[11:53] <paradoxmo> rkatz: try another theme
[11:53] <rkatz> I did try another theme, same thing.
[11:53] <rkatz> And you said it wasn't the themes...and I agree.
[11:53] <paradoxmo> weird.
[11:53] <rkatz> Thank you, I guess I'll go back to Mandrake crap...
[11:53] <jcole> olorin: there are 5 people logged into his m$ netmeeting session... i'm trying to figure out how to do it... vnc doesn't seem to work
[11:53] <paradoxmo> don't give up so easily...
[11:54] <rkatz> I am so sick of this stuff, even Larry the cow cannot help me!!!
[11:54] <paradoxmo> yeah... i'm sorry
[11:54] <paradoxmo> wait, what locale did you pick?
[11:54] <rkatz> RedHat sucks for workstation.
[11:54] <rkatz> Mandrake cannot be upgraded and boxes you into a bastardized Redhat...and all the dependencies are screwed.
[11:55] <rkatz> Gentoo takes eons to get a good install/configure...
[11:55] <confrey|^|> hi ecerybody
[11:55] <rkatz> locale?
[11:55] <paradoxmo> ubuntu and debian in general are really good, let me /msg you and see if we can figure it out
[11:55] <rkatz> it defaulted to my locale: Pacific.
[11:55] <rkatz> Debian didn't work for me either...stuff just never worked.
[11:56] <confrey|^|> I have installed nvidia driver, and X often freezes, what can I do?
[11:57] <jcole> confrey|^|: run this "zcat /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz > $HOME/Desktop/nvidia.txt"
[11:58] <jcole> confrey|^|: then double click the file on your desktop
[12:00] <paradoxmo> olorin: yeah, that was it. it's fine now. thanks