[01:03] <dasenjo> I think I found a bug .. 
[01:04] <dasenjo> Open nautilus in browse mode, goto Filesystem ...
[01:04] <dasenjo> and go to /dev
[01:04] <dasenjo> gamin takes the prcessor to the top .. 
[01:04] <Treenaks> not here
[01:05] <sjoerd> Treenaks: had a good flight ?
[01:05] <Treenaks> sjoerd: yeah
[01:05] <Treenaks> but now firefox seems b0rken
[01:05] <Treenaks> is that known?
[01:05] <sjoerd> cool
[01:06] <Treenaks> it starts fine
[01:06] <Treenaks> everything works
[01:06] <Treenaks> except opening URLs
[01:06] <Treenaks> lynx works
[01:07] <Treenaks> Who's the scapegoat for today?
[01:48] <jdub> haggai: GO GO GO! :-) :-) :-)
[01:56] <jordi> jdub: you're at your room?
[03:30] <pasc> right
[03:30] <pasc> i'm off
[03:30] <pasc> wait for me for lunch
[03:30] <pasc> ;-)
[05:38] <eruin> WHAT have you guys done in the latest updates?
[05:38] <eruin> all my programs are suddenly lightning fast :D
[08:22] <Mithrandir> haggai: the problem with the build seems to be because of the non-stampdir solution, no?
[09:25] <Simira> mornin people
[09:26] <Mithrandir> hi simira
[09:28] <Treenaks> Good morning Norway & Spain :)
[09:31] <Simira> Mornin Netherlands
[09:35] <pitti> fabbione: may I bug you about the gpg sign batch script?
[10:00] <Treenaks> morning
[10:30] <Mithrandir> daniels: your x40-l33tn3ss scriptz doesn't make the x40 handle hotplugging batteries.
[10:36] <Simira> hm... my browser suddenly doesn't work. After the last update, that is. Shall I restart something?
[10:38] <Treenaks> Simira: firefox?
[10:38] <Treenaks> I have that too
[10:40] <Simira> no, the filebrowser... *try restart nautilus*
[10:40] <Treenaks> Simira: that's weird then
[10:42] <Simira> hm... but how do I restart nautilus?
[10:42] <Simira> btw... how do I mount a smb-partition?
[10:45] <Treenaks> killall nautilus
[10:45] <Treenaks> should restart it
[10:45] <Treenaks> and smb -> see the "File" menu ("Connect to server")
[10:47] <Simira> ok
[11:22] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: found the answer:  it's trying to access devices that don't exist on this hardware.
[11:23] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: there is no mouse emulation on this iMac, because it's not an ADB-based model, while the emulation requires enabling ADB support.
[11:45] <daniels> Mithrandir: probably not, given I only have one
[11:46] <Mithrandir> pft, excuses.
[11:57] <pitti> Kamion: around?
[11:57] <Mithrandir> sladen: prod?
[11:58] <pitti> Hi seb128 
[11:58] <seb128> hey pitti 
[11:58] <Simira> seb128: how do I import MSOutlook .csv address book in Evolution?
[11:59] <Q-FUNK> hiya seb128 :)
[12:00] <seb128> File->Import ?
[12:00] <Simira> seb128: it wont :-/
[12:01] <seb128> what does it says ?
[12:01] <Mithrandir> Simira: whack it with a big hammer?
[12:01] <seb128> single file -> VCard in the lst
[12:01] <seb128> list
[12:02] <Simira> error loading simira.cvs
[12:02] <Simira> .csv
[12:03] <Simira> (VCard doesn't give up .csv as a filetype)
[12:03] <Q-FUNK> ah btw, why isn't "suede-icons" available in Hoary's repository?
[12:04] <Q-FUNK> vcf
[12:04] <Simira> "no importer available for this file type" if I choos "Automatic"
[12:05] <seb128> Simira, do you a non-private vcf file so I can test that on my box ?
[12:06] <Simira> seb128: it's .csv, not vcf
[12:06] <Simira> that might be the problem
[12:06] <seb128> hum
[12:06] <seb128> oh
[12:06] <Mithrandir> Simira: open it in a text editor and take a look?
[12:06] <Simira> Mithrandir: huh?
[12:07] <Mithrandir> Simira: right click, open in text editor and check whether it's .csv or .vcf?
[12:07] <seb128> hum, I don't know if that's supported
[12:08] <Simira> seb128: obviously not. OE address books are either -wab or .csv
[12:11] <seb128> Simira, you can try /usr/lib/evolution/2.2/csv2vcard
[12:11] <seb128> should convert it to a vcard
[12:12] <seb128> but I've not tried myself, dunno if that works fine or not
[12:12] <Simira> hm, ok
[12:13] <Simira> it seems to work
[12:13] <seb128> cool
[12:16] <Simira> shit
[12:16] <Simira> it kinda didn't work
[12:17] <Simira> I've just got a lots of contacts named "Title FirstName Middle Name Last Name"
[12:17] <Mithrandir> *chuckle*
[12:17] <Simira> don't laugh! I want my contacts!
[12:17] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: you're one of them? :)
[12:17] <Simira> Else I'll have to stick to Windows completely, you know
[12:17] <seb128> outlook is not able to export the contacts in a decent format ?
[12:18] <Treenaks> seb128: no
[12:18] <Treenaks> not even Nokia can export good vcards
[12:18] <Simira> seb128: cvs = comma separated format
[12:18] <Simira> should be good enough
[12:18] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: hm?  One of whom?
[12:18] <Simira> everyone else imports them easily enough
[12:18] <Treenaks> and I've seen the standard.. your DOG should be able to write good vcards.. that's how easy it is
[12:18] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: FirstName MiddleName LastName
[12:19] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: no idea.
[12:19] <Simira> probably at least two of them
[12:19] <Simira> ok, so how do I delete all of my misfostered contacts?
[12:24] <remon> Hello all, I was wondering if your guys are working on an administration tool for ubuntu to configure the distribution to your needs?
[12:24] <remon> Or missed I something obvious ?
[12:24] <Simira> uh
[12:25] <Simira> apparently
[12:27] <remon> the reason why I'm wondering is due I saw some threads on debian-desktop about porting yast2 to debian....
[12:33] <remon> which is a rather huge task, but perhaps it's something ubuntu can profit from?
[12:33] <haggai> Riddell: /join #kubuntu-devel
[12:36] <teo> hi
[12:36] <Simira> hi there
[12:48] <fabbione> hey guys
[12:48] <fabbione> who is up for a BCN bof
[12:48] <fabbione> ?
[12:49] <pitti> fabbione: me
[12:49] <pitti> fabbione: when you want to go?
[12:49] <fabbione> pitti: around 3 or 4?
[12:49] <fabbione> or something like that
[12:49] <sjoerd> sounds fine to me
[12:49] <pitti> fabbione: 3 would be better, it gets too late otherwise
[12:49] <fabbione> pitti: i don't want to go around play the turist
[12:49] <seb128> perhaps me, not sure with the pygtk bof 
[12:50] <fabbione> i want to go there and party
[12:50] <pitti> fabbione: oh, I want to see the city :-)
[12:50] <fabbione> that means having 1 hour or 2 of sleep before that
[12:50] <seb128> me too
[12:50] <pitti> fabbione: enjoy
[12:50] <fabbione> pitti: i plan to see the city tomorrow
[12:50] <pitti> fabbione: works for me, too :-)
[12:50] <seb128> I'll go tomorrow so
[01:06] <lamont_r> fabbione: you around?
[01:06] <fabbione> yes
[01:07] <fabbione> lamont_r: i am in the quiet not so quiet room ;)
[01:07] <fabbione> anything i can do?
[01:07] <lamont_r> I just sent you mail wrt gnu-smalltalk
[01:07] <fabbione> i read that... thanks
[01:07] <fabbione> but i think the guy is basically MIA
[01:08] <fabbione> i haven't heard from him since than
[01:08] <fabbione> but giving it a shot isn't bad
[01:08] <fabbione> iirc there was a kernel problem
[01:08] <fabbione> that was preventing the build on the buildd
[01:08] <fabbione> AND DIA A LITTLE MORE
[01:09] <fabbione> when the unnamed feelings....
[01:09] <fabbione> TAKES ME AWAY!
[01:09] <pitti> fabbione: oh, if you are still awake, could you please mail me the gpg script?
[01:10] <fabbione> seb128: nautilus & co aren't installable.. do you know that?
[01:10] <fabbione> pitti: yes of course
[01:10] <fabbione> AND DIE DIE A LITTLE MOREEEEE
[01:10] <fabbione> pitti@c.c ?
[01:10] <pitti> fabbione: should work
[01:10] <fabbione> ok
[01:11] <pitti> fabbione: never tried it, I always use martin.pitt@
[01:11] <fabbione> it should be on the way
[01:12] <fabbione> pitti: clearly is not signed
[01:12] <fabbione> you need to audit the code anyway
[01:12] <fabbione> and change it for your needs
[01:12] <seb128> fabbione, garh, no
[01:12] <pitti> fabbione: I will, thanks
[01:12] <seb128> who broke them ?
[01:12] <fabbione> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host fiordland.warthogs.hbd.com[82.211.81.145] 
[01:12] <fabbione>     said: 550 <pitti@canonical.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown
[01:12] <pitti> fabbione: however, I did not yet get the mail
[01:12] <pitti> fabbione: darn; martin@piware.de is the fastest
[01:12] <fabbione> seb128: no ide...
[01:13] <seb128> what's the problem exactly ?
[01:13] <fabbione> pitti: there
[01:13] <pitti> fabbione: got it, thanks a lot
[01:13] <Kamion> pitti: yo?
[01:13] <daniels> pitti: btw, when you bump l-r-m, you *must* bump nvidiaminor and atiminor in debian/rules
[01:13] <daniels> else the uploads get rejected
[01:13] <fabbione> seb128: basically some dependecies are broken and tries to remove ubuntu-desktop and other stuff
[01:13] <daniels> i'm about to upload another to repair that
[01:13] <pitti> daniels: argh
[01:13] <pitti> Kamion: I wanted to ask you whether I shall fix l-r-m myself
[01:13] <fabbione> JEEEEEEEEE
[01:13] <fabbione> another l-r-m upload?
[01:13] <seb128> fabbione, I need details, I've nautilus and ubuntu-desktop and no problem here
[01:13] <fabbione> you guys are teh suck :P
[01:14] <pitti> Kamion: but in the meantime I already did it
[01:14] <pitti> daniels: okay, I will do another upload; or do you want to fix that yourselves?
[01:14] <fabbione> seb128: i am upgrading right now.. so need to wait a few secs
[01:14] <daniels> pitti: it's alright, I'll take care of it
[01:14] <pitti> daniels: okay, thanks
[01:14] <seb128> WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MY GNOME YOU FREAKS
[01:14] <pitti> daniels: it was just very bad seeing my notebook not booting any more :-/
[01:14] <fabbione> seb128: KILL THEM ALL!
[01:15] <seb128> (and no I'm not going to fix the f****ing panel today)
[01:15] <lamont_r> seb128: does that mean that thom/keybuk did some uploads?
[01:15] <seb128> perhaps that's why they are hidding ? :)
[01:15] <seb128> thanks fabbione :)
[01:15] <fabbione> seb128: that implies that when you are pissed off, you need to use the caps lock :-)
[01:16] <seb128> YEAH
[01:16] <Kamion> pitti: fix?
[01:16] <pitti> Kamion: l-r-m-powerpc depended on the power3 kernel
[01:16] <fabbione> nautilus deps on libnautilus-extensions
[01:16] <Kamion> pitti: oh
[01:16] <fabbione> nautilus-cd-burner depends on libnautilus2-2 (>= 2.7.1)
[01:16] <seb128> I've fixed that like 3 days ago
[01:16] <pitti> Kamion: I already fixed the deps, but forgot to bump the version number of other packages; daniels will fix that, too
[01:16] <seb128> which arch is that ?
[01:17] <fabbione>  *=- Opt libs     libnautilus2                                                  
[01:17] <fabbione> nautilus conflicts with libnautilus2-2
[01:17] <fabbione> seb128: i386 from today update
[01:17] <Kamion> pitti: hm, not in the linux-meta I uploaded? I guess you mean in l-r-m itself
[01:17] <jdub> reminder, meeting simulcast in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:17] <fabbione> i think i saw this like for 2 days
[01:17] <pitti> Kamion: I initially thought the error was in -meta, that's why I pinged you
[01:17] <fabbione> jdub: what's that?
[01:17] <pitti> Kamion: but the error was really in l-r-m
[01:17] <jdub> fabbione: me typing what people are saying :)
[01:17] <seb128> fabbione, apt-cache show nautilus ?
[01:17] <fabbione> ahhh
[01:17] <pitti> Kamion: sorry for disturbing
[01:18] <fabbione> Version: 2.9.1-0ubuntu2
[01:18] <fabbione> seb128: do you need anything particular?
[01:18] <seb128> the Depends
[01:18] <fabbione> Depends: libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libeel2-2 (>= 2.9.1), libesd0 (>= 0.2.29-1) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.29-1), libexif10, libgail-common (>= 1.6.6), libgail17 (>= 1.6.6), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.7.3.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.3.6), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.5.5), libgnome-desktop-2 (>= 2.8.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgn
[01:18] <fabbione> argh
[01:18] <fabbione> it doesn't fit in one line
[01:19] <fabbione> let's try this other way
[01:19] <fabbione> seb128: the last one is desktop-file-utils
[01:19] <seb128> just do 2 copy/paste
[01:20] <fabbione> check in pvt message
[01:20] <Kamion> pitti: ok
[01:20] <seb128> fabbione, the interesting part is libnautilus*
[01:20] <fabbione> libnautilus2-2 (>= 2.7.1)
[01:20] <seb128> Version: 2.9.1-0ubuntu4
[01:20] <fabbione> perhaps you forgot to bump the build-dep?
[01:20] <seb128> here
[01:21] <fabbione> hmmm
[01:21] <seb128>  *** 2.9.1-0ubuntu4 0
[01:21] <seb128>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[01:21] <seb128> WTF
[01:21] <seb128> fabbione, apt-cache policy nautilus ?
[01:21] <fabbione> seb128: if i try to upgrade to that version it tries to remove ubuntu-desktop
[01:22] <seb128> why ?
[01:22] <seb128> apt-cache policy nautilus-cd-burner ?
[01:22] <fabbione> i wrote it before
[01:22] <fabbione> nautilus-cd-burner:
[01:22] <fabbione>   Installed: 2.8.6-0ubuntu1
[01:22] <fabbione>   Candidate: 2.8.6-0ubuntu2
[01:22] <fabbione>   Version Table:
[01:22] <fabbione>      2.8.6-0ubuntu2 0
[01:22] <fabbione>         500 http://mataro.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[01:22] <fabbione>  *** 2.8.6-0ubuntu1 0
[01:22] <fabbione>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[01:22] <seb128> apt-get install nautilus nautilus-cd-burner ?
[01:23] <fabbione> whops
[01:23] <seb128> what ?
[01:23] <fabbione> seb128: you get to win a beer in BCN 
[01:23] <seb128> cool :)
[01:24] <seb128> what was the problem ? 
[01:24] <fabbione> that i did put on hold the packages 2/3 days ago because of this problem
[01:24] <seb128> oh ok
[01:24] <fabbione> and i forgot to tell apt to upgrade both of them
[01:24] <fabbione> as i said
[01:24] <fabbione> i am retarded
[01:25] <seb128> perhaps you could use some sleep ?
[01:25] <fabbione> that's for sure
[01:25] <fabbione> but i think i am going to enjoy all the day
[01:25] <fabbione> and crash either tomorrow night
[01:25] <robtaylor_> fabbione, i thought you were sleeping in preparation?
[01:25] <fabbione> or something like that
[01:25] <fabbione> in preparation for what?
[01:26] <fabbione> it's always party time man ;)
[01:26] <fabbione> i am actually fixing linux-source-2.6.9
[01:27] <fabbione> but i need to wait a full build this time
[01:27] <fabbione> that kinda suck hard
[01:31] <robtaylor_> gah!
[01:33] <fabbione> robtaylor: do you have access to your emails?
[01:34] <fabbione> rob?
[01:37] <robtaylor_> fabbione, yep, why?
[01:37] <robtaylor_> got your signature
[01:38] <robtaylor_> fabbione, why is there both a linux-source-2.6.9 and kernel-source-2.6.9 ?
[01:42] <fabbione> robtaylor: the second one is from debian
[01:42] <fabbione> robtaylor: thanks for checking. i wasn't 100% sure about the mailgw over here
[01:50] <carlos> robtaylor: ping?
[02:03] <fabbione> guys i am off to get some sleep
[02:03] <fabbione> should we meet around 4pm at the hall of the hotel?
[02:06] <Simira> have fun guys!
[02:06] <Treenaks> Simira: good luck
[02:06] <jordi> Hey Simira!
[02:07] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: btw, did you read the scroll-back buffer already? I found out why I got that mouse emulation bug.
[02:07] <Simira> hi and bye, jordi :)
[02:07] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: yes, saw it, thanks
[02:07] <jordi> Simira: tollef will tell you. Some assholes got your camera and rushed out of the restaurant.
[02:07] <Simira> jordi: he did. I just send a form to my insurance-company. :(
[02:07] <Kamion> dunno how to solve it; I guess we'll have to move those sysctls into the init script or something and conditionalise them more
[02:07] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: it's a case of relying upin the presence of features that might not be there, because ADB is only ever use on laptops, when it comes to recent macs.
[02:08] <Kamion> you don't need to explain the issue any further; I understand it now :)
[02:08] <Simira> jordi: thanks for trying, anyway
[02:08] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: say... when can we expect fixed packages? ;)
[02:09] <Kamion> but fixing it requires changing the way we do things at the moment, because right now those variables are just set in sysctl.conf which doesn't have conditionals
[02:09] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: dude, you're not my boss :)
[02:09] <daniels> Q-FUNK: you might note that it's a saturday afternoon, and it's a sunny one at that
[02:09] <Kamion> ... and therefore I'm buggering off into Barcelona soon
[02:10] <Q-FUNK> it's pretty rainy up here, actually, but fair enough. :)
[02:10] <daniels> yeah
[02:10] <daniels> i'm hitting the beach in a bit
[02:11] <daniels> Kamion: you too, eh :\
[02:11] <Q-FUNK> Christmas stopping!  Brilliant!!! :D
[02:11] <daniels> Kamion: given that I arrive at 6am on Christmas Eve, I figure I'd better get all my shopping done now
[02:11] <daniels> Kamion: rather than battling immense crowds when it's 30 or 40 degrees and I'm tired and jetlagged and very, very sore and annoyed
[02:12] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: well, I was just asking when, since it's the only item left that's stopping me from installing on this iMac. all my x86 already is on ubuntu.
[02:12] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: next week or two I guess. busy here ...
[02:13] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: fair enough. :)
[02:18] <Treenaks> daniels: will other X drivers be fixed as well
[02:18] <Treenaks> daniels: or only your leet x40 hacked driver? :)
[02:25] <daniels> Treenaks: the main wins were in the loader
[02:25] <daniels> Treenaks: so that's totally global, but yeah, my i830_driver stuff will probably never see the light of day
[02:25] <daniels> i can see it causing problems
[02:29] <sladen> amazing, the only laptop where *all* the ibm-acpi options work  ...is the X40
[02:31] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: we've really changed too much for that plan to work
[02:31] <daniels> sladen: wot a shock :)
[02:31] <sivang> hey all
[02:31] <Treenaks> hey siv
[02:31] <Treenaks> sivang: your key is in the mail :)
[02:32] <sivang> Treenaks : huh?
[02:32] <sivang> Treenaks : my public key?
[02:32] <Treenaks> sivang: yes
[02:32] <sivang> Treenaks : Thanks!
[02:33] <Treenaks> sivang: I could've mailed you your private key, but then you'd know I have it
[02:33] <sivang> Treenanks : jokes jokes... :)
[02:40] <jordi> Q-FUNK: it seems that only now my government is starting to consider the idea of doing collaboration with Linex and Guadalinex.
[02:41] <jordi> The main problem is, believe it or not, is that the Linex and Guadalinex Spanish regions (Extremadura and Andalucia) are left wing, my local govt is right wing.
[02:41] <Q-FUNK> jordi: but what is at the core of the political unwillingess to collaborate and instead end up with some many reginal distros within spain?
[02:41] <Q-FUNK> so, political as in political party?  _that_ is what is preventing uniformization and collaboration within spain?
[02:42] <jordi> should be getting better now
[02:42] <jordi> I sense they are stopping (right wing) being total dickheads.
[02:43] <Q-FUNK> what exactly is preventing the package selection and defaults to be common, but the language selection between basque, castillian and other languages be at the installer?
[02:43] <jordi> oh, ok. There's some differences in the materials in Basque and Valnecian schools anyway.
[02:43] <jordi> So it can't be exactly the same list, of cours.e
[02:44] <jordi> Basque probably needs some tools to make kids learn Basque, etc.
[02:44] <Q-FUNK> I'm trying to understand and compare, because I see a lot of politically-motivated "my own distro" stuff taking place in the Baltics and I'm wondering if the reasons are the same.
[02:44] <jordi> but yeah, we should be trying to have a base list of stuff, and it's not happening now globally in Spain because there is no communication, or it is being blocked by the politicians.
[02:45] <jordi> In my case, I'm trying to get some funds to pay a GNOME hacker to finish up Mergeant so we have a GNOME tool to manage databases and stuff.
[02:45] <jordi> And some other guy that puts time on libburn/coaster or whatever.
[02:45] <Q-FUNK> as for basque schooling, couldn't the base CD include localized SkoolLinux for all of Spain's main languages?
[02:46] <jordi> Only now they are realising it'll be so much cheaper to do it in collaboration with the rest...
[02:50] <Q-FUNK> in the Baltics, the urge to do their own distro is to show that they have any IT skills in their "small" country, by making a _local_ Linux distro.
[02:51] <Q-FUNK> political importance on home-brew aspect and on NLS support, to save minority languages recently rescaped from the Soviet hell.
[02:51] <jordi> gotta shutdown, battery at 4%
[02:54] <sladen> jordi: feh, I run my battery to about -10%
[02:54] <sladen> I just wish the drivers would accept that I /want/ to do that and not power off at 0% or 3%
[02:57] <sivang> being such a small country, a size of an average city in europ/US , it would be fairly easy to unify and collaborate :)
[02:58] <daniels> er, getting into israel wouldn't be the easiest thing ever, i'd imagine
[02:58] <daniels> (the uk and spain are both rather easy to get into; the us not nearly as much, and i'd imagine israel is right down near the bottom of the list)
[02:58] <sladen> fabbione: what's the chance getting  hostap  drivers used (or at least built) by default instead of  kernel/orinoco  ?
[02:58] <daniels> (australia is very easy to get into also)
[02:59] <sivang> daniels : why do you think so?
[03:19] <ogra> haggai: amu thinks you should come down in the crystal room....
[03:28] <ericf> I mailed to ubuntu-users about pdf readers for ubuntu (gpdf), and heard upstream was working on integrating eog, gpdf, etc for a MacOS-Preview-like app
[03:29] <ericf> I said gpdf often didn't display a pdf well, while gnome-ghostview did
[03:29] <ericf> what is the advantage of gpdf over ggv?
[03:31] <sladen> ericf: they're fundementually different.  gpdf uses bits of xpdf (a PDF engine) and ggv uses Ghostscript (a Postscript engine)
[03:32] <ericf> sladen: I see. But often I have a pdf that can't be opened by gpdf, but is good readable by both ggv and xpdf
[03:32] <ericf> that's why I don't really like gpdf... But the gpdf/xpdf approach of reading pdf's is considered superior over ggv's?
[03:35] <sladen> ericf: that's because the gpdf people made the unfortunately decesion to replace the xpdf font-infrastucture with the gtk+ stack.  Ghostscript (as Postscript 3 compliant RIP) renders PDF
[03:38] <ericf> I see. Well, I have the impression the gtk+-stack doesn't do a very good job here. But is it correct that this is being worked on and this will be fixed?
[03:39] <eruin> anyone else having a non-working gnome desktop in current?
[03:39] <ericf> Because I don't know much about pdf rendering, but I don't understand gnome ships gpdf instead of ggv when the former so often fails
[03:41] <eruin> my bottom panel kind of works (though the desktop chooser shows muine running while the app list doesn't), the top panel is officially dead, and nautilus doesn't run and spits out no error
[03:49] <ericf> eruin: log out of X, and check if the panel is still running as your user
[03:49] <ericf> that's what experienced once
[03:50] <ericf> so log out everything, log in as root in tty1 (non-graphical), do `ps aux | grep eruin`, (if eruin is you username) and see if there are still panels running
[03:51] <eruin> this is right after a reboot
[03:52] <eruin> ;/
[03:53] <eruin> I've found the last few updates to be sour, really
[03:53] <eruin> last time this happened it just solved itself after a reboot, but now that doesn't seem to work either
[03:54] <eruin> cedega is also fscked, but I think that's probably due to me using the nvidia installer instead of nvidia-glx
[03:55] <ericf> it could be that the updates are bad indeed... You can downgrade packages by installing them with `dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/package.deb`, or wait for better updates
[03:55] <ericf> but maybe some developer here can say something wiser about this situation
[03:55] <eruin> I'll reinstall NV drivers now just to check if that might have anything to do with it at all
[03:56] <eruin> brb'
[04:08] <Kyaneos> hi
[04:36] <eruin> ericf: a reinstall of the nvidia 6629-drivers sorted my issues.
[04:59] <haggai> woohoo
[04:59] <haggai> the network's back
[05:57] <mjg59> # The 'Button Sleep' events does always occur twice. Therefore we skip all
[05:57] <mjg59> # events with odd event number.
[05:57] <mjg59> WTF?
[06:01] <mjg59> Ah - that's legacy stuff
[06:09] <Fwiffo> mjg59: I've been trying to suspend my evo n600c, and have a little problem
[06:09] <mjg59> Fwiffo: Mm?
[06:09] <Fwiffo> it suspends beuatifully, but the screen is garbled on resume
[06:09] <jdub> ROCK AND ROLL
[06:10] <daniels> AND METAL
[06:10] <Treenaks> How well does subkeys.pgp.net cope with revoked _sub_keys?
[06:10] <sladen> is there a Ubuntu d-i netinstall image any way
[06:10] <Fwiffo> i'v read that it might be because the videocard bios needs to be reset or something
[06:11] <Fwiffo> http://www.doesi.gmxhome.de/linux/tm800s3/s3.html - mentions a tool for doing this
[06:11] <mjg59> Fwiffo: Are you using my acpi-support package?
[06:11] <Fwiffo> I thought you might be interested in somthing like this
[06:11] <RubenV> Hi, I have a question about the build system
[06:11] <RubenV> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9/2.6.9-6/
[06:11] <mjg59> Fwiffo: We're using the stuff mentioned there, plus more
[06:11] <RubenV> this is built succesfully for i386
[06:12] <Fwiffo> no, im on the standard hoary kernel
[06:12] <RubenV> however, I can't find the debs anywhere, is this normal?
[06:12] <mjg59> Fwiffo: Standard hoary kernel is fine. Grab acpi-support from http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/ and get the dependencies
[06:13] <mjg59> With a bit of luck, running the /etc/acpi/sleep.sh script should result in working video
[06:13] <Fwiffo> i would try the tool mentioned but it is dependant on the lrmi library which does'nt seem to be present in the repo's
[06:13] <Fwiffo> ok, that should do it?
[06:13] <RubenV> hmm, gonna try suspend again when i get on 2.6.9
[06:14] <mjg59> Fwiffo: Yup
[06:14] <Fwiffo> ok, I'll give it a spin
[06:15] <Fwiffo> mjg59: thanks for the help
[06:18] <daniels> so, the libdl-based loader worked nicely
[06:18] <RubenV> hmmm, parted debs are built after linux-restricted-modules
[06:18] <RubenV> and those are in place
[06:28] <daniels> elmo_away: ping
[06:50] <jdub> http://192.168.0.77:8800/
[06:50] <jdub> theora stream ^
[06:50] <mjg59> For a distribution that was going on about totally rad suspend to disk support in 9.2, Suse is surprisingly unimpressive in that respect
[06:56] <Q-FUNK> jdub: speaking of which, any way to stream the presentations as theora streams? :)
[06:56] <daniels> Q-FUNK: ... from a webcam
[06:56] <jdub> not outside the lan atm
[06:56] <Q-FUNK> what about vorbis?
[06:57] <Q-FUNK> at least audio broadcast of the talks would be nice.
[06:59] <Treenaks> question.. how many CDs do you need to order to get one of the nice boxes with them?
[07:03] <daniels> Treenaks: 50
[07:03] <Treenaks> daniels: OK, thanks
[07:03] <Treenaks> daniels: a local book store seemed interested :)
[07:05] <daniels> Treenaks: rockin'
[07:15] <Treenaks> daniels: now if only the computer store decided to give away ubuntu install CDs with their PCs :)
[07:20] <Keybuk> we should so carpet-bomb the local PC stores with Ubuntu CDs
[07:21] <Treenaks> Keybuk: in Mataro you mean? :)
[07:21] <Treenaks> Keybuk: or generally
[07:22] <Keybuk> in Mataro immediately, generally in general
[07:24] <sladen> Keybuk: point out there's going to be press-coverage
[07:24] <Treenaks> Keybuk: then I'll have to increase my ordered amount of CDs :)
[07:50] <daniels> elmo: ping?
[07:51] <elmo> daniels: >
[07:51] <daniels> elmo: two things -- first, ssh on chinstrap is half-installed (as they all are), and it's also massively out of date compared to, f.e., concordia, and also what I have
[07:52] <daniels> elmo: secondly, which keyring daemon are you running on d.o?
[07:52] <daniels> keyserver, even
[07:52] <daniels> looking for something similar for fd.o
[07:52] <elmo> daniels: h means on hold, not half installed, you nitwit
[07:53] <elmo> and I know it's out of date - I'm fairly sure I gave you the source or a pointer to it, so you can patch it to whatever latest k-rad fresh-from-upstream-cvs you want 
[07:54] <elmo> and this isn't really related to ubuntu devel :P
[07:56] <daniels> elmo: ahr, my bad
[07:56] <daniels> elmo: heh yeah, I have the newest one
[08:03] <RubenV> daniels: lamont: (whoever is here): according to this one: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9/2.6.9-6/
[08:03] <RubenV> the i386 has been built
[08:03] <RubenV> is it normal that they don't show up on the ftp yet?
[08:04] <Treenaks> well look at the version :)
[08:04] <Treenaks> 2.6.9-6
[08:04] <Treenaks> latest linux-image in the archive: 2.6.9-5
[08:05] <RubenV> it's the only one that builds for i386 :)
[08:05] <Treenaks> hi mark
[08:05] <sabdf1> hey guys
[08:05] <sabdf1> Treenaks: i think that was sets of 20
[08:05] <sabdf1> (cd's)
[08:05] <Treenaks> sabdf1: my first set of 25 didn't
[08:06] <Treenaks> sabdf1: so I'm inclined to agree with daniels' number of "50"
[08:06] <sabdf1> hmm... mako?
[08:07] <Treenaks> Ping timeout ;)
[08:16] <daniels> RubenV: it'll show up soon enough
[08:16] <daniels> sabdf1: i've heard 50 from jane at the lunchpad
[08:17] <sabdf1> daniels: ah, thanks
[08:18] <RubenV> daniels: great, it's the one i've been waiting for the most the last couple of days
[08:18] <RubenV> no nvidia means no desktop
[08:18] <RubenV> and i'd like to do testing on suspends
[08:30] <daniels> dbus is easy dood
[08:30] <Treenaks> daniels: yes, but I'm learning python at the same time :)
[08:31] <Treenaks> and dbus_monitor is broken so I can't check if I'm sending the right stuff
[08:33] <daniels> argh
[08:33] <daniels> pitti!!
[08:33] <mako> mika: how are you? :)ew
[08:33] <mako> ke
[08:34] <Treenaks> wow that looked scary
[09:27] <_scp> First of all, I apologize for bringing this in here, but, I think I have found some sort of bug
[09:27] <_scp> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7587
[09:28] <_scp> the short story: My machine hangs when I hit the eject button on my CD Burner after it has been up for around 24hrs
[09:29] <_scp> it says { Busy } in the logs, but there is no  disk in the drive
[09:29] <_scp> I am cool for about 5 minutes, then the machine locks hard
[09:29] <_scp> I wanna help get this fixed
[09:32] <Keybuk> #ubuntu would probably be able to offer far more help
[09:33] <_scp> I wish that were true, I have waited for days on ubuntuforums and no one replies when I post to #ubuntu
[09:33] <_scp> I really think this is a problem
[09:33] <Keybuk> that probably means nobody knows the answer
[09:33] <_scp> and I want to HELP fix it
[09:33] <_scp> hence me coming in here
[09:33] <Keybuk> I'd guess there is a hardware problem
[09:34] <_scp> I would too if this wasn't a brand new unit and it worked fine with the 2.4 kernel and woody
[09:34] <Keybuk> this channel is for development of ubuntu, it's not a support channel; plenty of developers hang out on #ubuntu and read the lists, etc.
[09:34] <_scp> I realize that, I wasn't looking for "support" so much as saying "hey, I found a bug"
[09:34] <Keybuk> have you tried booting with the noapic and/or pci=noacpi kernel options?
[09:35] <_scp> nope
[09:35] <Keybuk> try that, when the boot starts hit Escape and add them onto the end of the kernel line
[09:35] <Keybuk> then see whether you get the same problem
[09:36] <_scp> sure, thanks... but isn't that power mgmt?
[09:36] <Keybuk> no
[09:36] <Keybuk> hardware stuff
[09:36] <Keybuk> some motherboards suck
[09:36] <Keybuk> the first one is noapic, not noacpi (it's not a typo)
[09:37] <_scp> OH
[09:37] <Keybuk> that tells the kernel the programmable interrupt controlled on your motherboard doesn't work
[09:37] <_scp> interrupt controller
[09:37] <_scp> ah
[09:37] <Keybuk> pci=noacpi tells the kernel not to use acpi (configuration and power management) for PCI routeing, because some BIOSes have buggy code
[09:38] <_scp> gotcha
[09:38] <_scp> I will try that... then where should I go from there? is there a bugzilla for ubuntu?
[09:38] <Keybuk> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:38] <_scp> thank you very much
[09:38] <Keybuk> try to provide as much information as you can, including details about the devices (from /proc or /sys) and exact logs, etc.
[09:39] <_scp> like I said: it's just an inconvenience for me, I am sure it would be worse for someone doing somehting real with ubuntu
[09:39] <_scp> that's my main concern
[09:39] <_scp> it's my home machine, I don't care if I have to reboot it
[09:39] <_scp> :)
[09:39] <Keybuk> see if those help, they tend to fix most "hardware being fucking stupid" cases
[09:40] <_scp> gotcha, and this is a Dell, so it is pretty fuckin' stupid :) 
[09:40] <_scp> (in some ways)
[09:41] <Keybuk> heh
[09:41] <_scp> the suck of it is, that I wont know until tomorrow if it worked :) 
[09:42] <_scp> in the mean time i will read more about the noapic option :) 
[09:42] <_scp> thanks alot, and like I said, sorry for bringing it in here, I would not have done it if I didn't think I found a real bug
[09:43] <_scp> this is my first experience with the 2.6 kernel, so I am still dealing
[09:43] <_scp> woody had me spoiled, it just worked, but was stoneware
[09:45] <_scp> later
[09:49] <_scp> Ok... so I just rebooted "PCI: Unknown option `noapic'"
[09:50] <_scp> ok... but it also said "ACPI: Skipping IOAPIC probe due to 'noapic' option."
[09:51] <_scp> that's fucked
[09:51] <RubenV> http://files.lambda1.be/screenshots/bootchart.png -> is it me, or is mount doing something weird there?
[09:52] <thom> RubenV: laptop on battery?
[09:52] <thom> RubenV: entirely expected
[09:52] <smurfix_> RubenV: NFS mount?
[09:52] <thom> smurfix_: no, it's laptop-mode remounting and changing mount options
[09:53] <RubenV> thom: on AC
[09:53] <RubenV> smurfix: nope
[09:53] <thom> RubenV: you shouldn't see laptop-mode on ac
[09:53] <RubenV> thom: yeah, i thought so too
[09:54] <RubenV> ruben@tokyo:~ $ cat /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/AC/state 
[09:54] <RubenV> state:                   on-line
[09:55] <thom> is that the case when you booted?
[09:55] <RubenV> yes
[09:55] <RubenV> just tested it
[09:55] <thom> RubenV: well, that's what's happening
[09:56] <RubenV> ?
[09:59] <RubenV> going for a second run
[10:12] <RubenV> shouldn't laptop-mode just do nothing when i'm on net current?
[10:12] <RubenV> http://files.lambda1.be/screenshots/bootchart2.png
[10:14] <thom> RubenV: do "grep -q off-line /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/*/state && echo $?" for me?
[10:14] <thom> uh, use ';' rather than '&&'
[10:15] <RubenV> 1
[10:16] <thom> so it shouldn;t match, what does line 17 of /etc/init.d/acpi-support look like?
[10:16] <lamont_p> moo
[10:16] <ChrisH> Does anyone have a good script to handle the mass-key-signing now that the KSP is done?
[10:16] <RubenV> if [ $? = 0 ] 
[10:17] <thom> which is correct
[10:17] <lamont_p> keybuk does
[10:17] <thom> so, what have you changed? ;-)
[10:17] <thom> as does kinnison
[10:17] <RubenV> thom: nothing really
[10:17] <RubenV> besides from my patch to laptop mode
[10:17] <RubenV> which is harmless
[10:18] <RubenV> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=809
[10:43] <seb128> hey pitti 
[10:43] <pitti> Hey seb128
[10:43] <Keybuk> hey pitti
[10:43] <pitti> Hey Keybuk 
[10:43] <Keybuk> hey seb128
[10:44] <pitti> Hey everybody out there
[10:44] <pitti> Hey thom 
[10:44] <thom> a very violent pass
[10:44] <Keybuk> whoever put these bowls of sweets out did NOT understand what happens when you give geeks sugar
[10:45] <daniels> that's why they're hard
[10:45] <daniels> unlike jellybeans
[10:45] <daniels> you can't eat 100 of them in five seconds
[10:45] <Keybuk> hey mvo ;)
[10:45] <thom> dude, if they were jellybeans, you'd have hoovered them all in under a second on the first day
[10:45] <mvo> hi Keybuk 
[10:45] <thom> good duck, dude
[10:46] <daniels> thom: that was the plan
[10:46] <daniels> foiled again! (haw haw)
[10:47] <Keybuk> pitti: no!  the laptops go away before we have a water fight
[10:47] <Keybuk> no allouching!
[10:47] <thom> escalation++
[10:47] <pitti> Keybuk: the bottle is still closed, though
[10:50] <daniels> mmm, lollies
[10:50] <sladen> Keybuk: kinnison tells me you have to drill a hole in the other end of the bottle first
[10:51] <Keybuk> huh?!
[10:53] <stockholm> uh, sorry, 
[10:53] <daniels> (and throws a lolly.)
[10:53] <thom> slow, always too slow
[10:54] <sabdf1> to pass the keys out?
[10:54] <daniels> thom: 'ies' hth hand kthxbye
[10:54] <stockholm> will he even see this?
[10:54] <thom> stockholm: dict patience, KTHXBYE 
[10:55] <sabdf1> stockholm: sure, i think he's taking a bit of a break right now
[10:55] <daniels> stockholm: it's saturday night
[10:55] <stockholm> i wrote that mail on ... wednesday?
[10:55] <stockholm> anyway. have a nice evening
[10:56] <daniels> how polite
[10:57] <Keybuk> *shock* how DARE someone take more than 3 days to reply to an e-mail ?!
[10:57] <Keybuk> could you imagine if, say, Mark took that long? :p
[10:57] <thom> 3 weeks is about what i expect from sabdfl... assuming i phone him a few times first ;-)
[10:59] <kylem> what does sabdfl stand for, anyway? 
[10:59] <mjg59> thom: So that's 29 seconds with the best part of 10 of that being ntpdate?
[10:59] <Keybuk> Self Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life
[10:59] <thom> mjg59: yeah
[10:59] <Keybuk> mjg59: I don't have *that* problem ;)
[10:59] <thom> i was utterly lucky with ntpdate
[10:59] <mjg59> thom: Fucking rock
[10:59] <daniels> mjg59: i believe the words you are looking for are 'shit hot'.
[11:00] <mjg59> daniels: No, that's me
[11:00] <kylem> Keybuk, lol.
[11:00] <mjg59> I am not Thom's boot sequence
[11:00] <mjg59> One is me, and the other is a pile of shell and C
[11:02] <sabdf1> thom: but i sleep with one eye open ;-)
[11:02] <sabdf1> you guys *rock*
[11:02] <mjg59> thom: So we ought to be good for an easy <25 seconds?
[11:03] <thom> mjg59: yup; especially given that with keybuk's hotplug changes, ntpdate is async
[11:03] <thom> we can still tweak some more i think
[11:03] <Keybuk> not to mention dhclient, the other boot-hogger
[11:04] <mjg59> Keybuk: Why does tg3 take so long to load in your snapshot?
[11:04] <Keybuk> I've no idea
[11:04] <thom> forget tg3, look at his sound driver!
[11:05] <Keybuk> most of whatever tg3 does is in the background I think
[11:05] <Keybuk> which doesn't make any sense
[11:05] <elmo> mjg59: because it requires evil firmware and the DFSG purist cabal are punishing him
[11:06] <Keybuk> it does?
[11:06] <daniels> yeah, dude
[11:06] <daniels> broadcom
[11:06] <mjg59> Keybuk: Upstream's tg3 has fixed firmware in the driver
[11:06] <mjg59> I think it's removed in the Debian source
[11:06] <Keybuk> so why doesn't modprobe block the boot when synch
[11:08] <Keybuk> the ipw2100 is a bit fucked
[11:09] <Keybuk> the driver calls request_firmware() then immediately checks to see whether any got loaded
[11:09] <Keybuk> so if you don't load the firmware quick enough, it sulks at you
[11:09] <thom> ARE WE THERE YET?
[11:09] <thom> modules with ADD
[11:11] <Keybuk> the daniels of nic modules
[11:15] <mjg59> elmo: Anyway, I'm part of the DFSG purist cabal. I just don't think the DFSG says what some people think it says.
[11:17] <mjg59> Laptop dudes:
[11:17] <mjg59> We have this minor problem that acpi doesn't seem to shut down all hardware
[11:17] <daniels> sweet
[11:17] <mjg59> This is most obvious on Thinkpads with Radeons, where you often seem to end up with 10% battery loss per hour
[11:18] <mjg59> Examination suggests that they're not switching the Radeon into D3
[11:18] <mjg59> (there's nothing in the kernel that would do this)
[11:18] <mjg59> Choices are:
[11:18] <mjg59> 1) Disable it in userspace
[11:18] <mjg59> (this works badly if there /is/ a suspend/resume routine - the hardware loses state before the kernel calls that)
[11:18] <mjg59> 2) Fix the kernel to disable all devices
[11:19] <mjg59> (works reasonably well)
[11:19] <mjg59> 3) Fix the Radeon code to set it to D3 (needs to be done in DRI or the framebuffer code)
[11:20] <daniels> either 2 or 3
[11:21] <daniels> of the two, 3 seems to be the most correct, although if it's widespread, 2 might be the most sensible option
[11:22] <thom> i imagine 3 is the approach that upstream will be happiest with?
[11:23] <mjg59> 3 is a bit of a problem. I don't think DRI ever binds to the PCI device, so doesn't register suspend/resume callbacks. So it needs to be in radeonfb.
[11:23] <mjg59> If we want people to use radeonfb, we need to be able to reinitialise the video before radeonfb tries to do a full resume
[11:23] <Keybuk> if the radeon driver isn't put to sleep, would that explain an unwillingness to resume?
[11:23] <mjg59> Keybuk: Shouldn't
[11:24] <mjg59> Keybuk: If you want to test, grab ftp://ftp.scyld.com/pub/diag/pci-config.c
[11:24] <mjg59> Stick it at the end of your prepare.sh script and use it to put the Radeon into S3
[11:24] <mjg59> Uh, D3
[11:24] <daniels> mjg59: the X driver gets ACPI events
[11:24] <daniels> at least, it has a PM event hook
[11:25] <mjg59> daniels: Yeah, but I think that only listens to /dev/apm
[11:25] <daniels> that's so awesome
[11:25] <mjg59> So something that sends acpi events to /dev/apm would be useful
[11:27] <daniels> fdasdf4q24ewpoiraqfrfr
[11:27] <mjg59> So if we're going to go for (3), we probably want to mandate the use of radeonfb
[11:27] <daniels> 'twould be cool, but no
[11:27] <mjg59> Hrm. Actually, a combination of (2) and (3) would probably work best.
[11:27] <daniels> i would prefer to make x listen to acpi
[11:28] <mjg59> But we need to do something really evil then - on wakeup, radeonfb needs to call a userspace thing that can restore video state enough that radeonfb can then make everything better
[11:28] <daniels> gnar
[11:28] <daniels> i think that we could just have a /dev/apm-alike acpi pipe that the pm code can hook into
[11:28] <daniels> i think that's pretty workable
[11:29] <mjg59> Or we could do it all with dbus
[11:29] <mjg59> !!!!11!11!
[11:29] <daniels> FUCKING ROCK.
[11:29] <daniels> having Xorg link with -ldbus-1 is unimaginably cool
[11:30] <mjg59> Eventually Xorg will link with every single freedesktop project
[11:30] <daniels> (obviously not as cool as elektra, though)
[11:31] <daniels> mjg59: like hell it will EVER link with Xprint
[11:31] <mjg59> Haha
[11:35] <daniels> mum, i'm hungry!
[11:35] <daniels> thom keeps throwing lollies at me, mum!
[11:35] <thom> elmo: see, i was going to do that but i'm too polite
[11:36] <daniels> yeah, but elmo's from the norf
[11:36] <daniels> streets of shef^Wleeds and all that
[11:37] <thom> preindustrial wastelands
[11:37] <daniels> they aspire to have disused steel factories
[11:39] <daniels> whereas the midlands is all about the postindustrial wasteland
[11:42] <Keybuk> nah, midlands is postindustrial redevelopment
[11:44] <daniels> bwistol zoo?
[11:44] <sabdf1> anybody else feel like heading out for a beer later?
[11:46] <lamont_r> sabdf1: _later_??
[11:46] <lamont_r> I think they're all about to close, no?
[11:46] <sabdf1> yes, well, this is spain
[11:46] <thom> sabdf1: define later? if soon, definitely
[11:46] <daniels> yeah, it's not like pubs close at 11 or something equally archaic
[11:46] <sabdf1> was thinking like in an hour or so, when i commit this code
[11:46] <thom> bar downstairs closes at ~ 2
[11:46] <thom> ok, works for
[11:46] <thom> me
[11:49] <daniels> what he said
[11:50] <mjg59> Anyway, I'm chasing that up on the ACPI lists
[11:50] <daniels> phat
[11:50] <mjg59> And I'm chasing up the craptop failure again
[11:50] <mjg59> The only machines I've seen that fail in that way have non-Intel chipsets. I don't believe this to be a coincidence.
[11:52] <mjg59> Who ended up with the Athlon laptop from Oxford?
[11:53] <thom> the athlon? possibly seb?
[11:53] <mjg59> Ah, ok
[11:53] <mjg59> Would be good to get an lspci
[11:55] <sabdf1> seb, i think
[11:55] <thom> he just left else i'd ask him
[11:56] <mjg59> I think it had exactly the same failure mode
[11:56] <mjg59> The two classes of failure left seem to be non-Intel chipset reboot on wakeup, and Scott's mysterious broken laptop
[11:56] <mjg59> With those exceptions, we don't seem to be entirely failing anywhere
[11:59] <Keybuk> yeah, it's either the Radeon being stupid
[11:59] <Keybuk> or the ATI m/b chipset
[11:59] <daniels> igp seems to be pretty widespread