=== elmo [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont_r [~lamont@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks finally got home === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Abandonando"] === dasenjo [~dasenjo@200.21.83.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dasenjo [~dasenjo@200.21.83.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] I think I found a bug .. [01:04] Open nautilus in browse mode, goto Filesystem ... [01:04] and go to /dev [01:04] gamin takes the prcessor to the top .. [01:04] not here [01:05] Treenaks: had a good flight ? [01:05] sjoerd: yeah [01:05] but now firefox seems b0rken [01:05] is that known? [01:05] cool [01:06] it starts fine [01:06] everything works [01:06] except opening URLs [01:06] lynx works [01:07] Who's the scapegoat for today? === robtaylor_ [~robtaylor@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === remon [~remon@210-64-dsl.ipact.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:48] haggai: GO GO GO! :-) :-) :-) === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] jdub: you're at your room? === lamont__r [~lamont@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kylem [~kyle@CPE0030ab0b413b-CM023469906297.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:30] right [03:30] i'm off [03:30] wait for me for lunch [03:30] ;-) === robtaylor_ [~robtaylor@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] WHAT have you guys done in the latest updates? [05:38] all my programs are suddenly lightning fast :D === GotD0t [~GotD0t@24.48.147.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sdfsd [nasdaq4088@tkp-ip-nas-1-p159.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] haggai: the problem with the build seems to be because of the non-stampdir solution, no? === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SepheeBear [~SepheeBea@24-193-86-231.nyc.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurfix_ [~smurf@smurfix.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [~rpGirl@m130j.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurfix_ [~smurf@smurfix.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] mornin people [09:26] hi simira === mojo [~mojo@220.244.212.78] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] Good morning Norway & Spain :) [09:31] Mornin Netherlands === pitti [~pitti@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] fabbione: may I bug you about the gpg sign batch script? === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] morning === lamont_r [~lamont@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [~rpGirl@m130j.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === remon [~remon@210-64-dsl.ipact.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] daniels: your x40-l33tn3ss scriptz doesn't make the x40 handle hotplugging batteries. [10:36] hm... my browser suddenly doesn't work. After the last update, that is. Shall I restart something? [10:38] Simira: firefox? [10:38] I have that too [10:40] no, the filebrowser... *try restart nautilus* === plovs [~plovs@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] Simira: that's weird then === Treenaks reboots to see if that fixes the firefox problem [10:42] hm... but how do I restart nautilus? [10:42] btw... how do I mount a smb-partition? [10:45] killall nautilus [10:45] should restart it [10:45] and smb -> see the "File" menu ("Connect to server") [10:47] ok === sivang [~sivang@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurfix_ [~smurf@smurfix.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Q-FUNK [~q-funk@gw-5.suomicom.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [rpGirl@m146i.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] Kamion: found the answer: it's trying to access devices that don't exist on this hardware. [11:23] Kamion: there is no mouse emulation on this iMac, because it's not an ADB-based model, while the emulation requires enabling ADB support. === Tsjoklat [~Tsjoklat@dialup-4.246.144.41.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak_ [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-51-237.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] Mithrandir: probably not, given I only have one [11:46] pft, excuses. === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robtaylor_ [~robtaylor@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] Kamion: around? === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-51-237.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] sladen: prod? === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] Hi seb128 [11:58] hey pitti [11:58] seb128: how do I import MSOutlook .csv address book in Evolution? [11:59] hiya seb128 :) [12:00] File->Import ? [12:00] seb128: it wont :-/ [12:01] what does it says ? [12:01] Simira: whack it with a big hammer? [12:01] single file -> VCard in the lst [12:01] list [12:02] error loading simira.cvs [12:02] .csv === hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:03] (VCard doesn't give up .csv as a filetype) [12:03] ah btw, why isn't "suede-icons" available in Hoary's repository? [12:04] vcf [12:04] "no importer available for this file type" if I choos "Automatic" [12:05] Simira, do you a non-private vcf file so I can test that on my box ? [12:06] seb128: it's .csv, not vcf [12:06] that might be the problem [12:06] hum [12:06] oh [12:06] Simira: open it in a text editor and take a look? [12:06] Mithrandir: huh? [12:07] Simira: right click, open in text editor and check whether it's .csv or .vcf? [12:07] hum, I don't know if that's supported === Tsjoklate [~Tsjoklat@dialup-4.246.81.213.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] seb128: obviously not. OE address books are either -wab or .csv [12:11] Simira, you can try /usr/lib/evolution/2.2/csv2vcard [12:11] should convert it to a vcard [12:12] but I've not tried myself, dunno if that works fine or not [12:12] hm, ok === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] it seems to work [12:13] cool [12:16] shit [12:16] it kinda didn't work [12:17] I've just got a lots of contacts named "Title FirstName Middle Name Last Name" [12:17] *chuckle* [12:17] don't laugh! I want my contacts! [12:17] Mithrandir: you're one of them? :) [12:17] Else I'll have to stick to Windows completely, you know [12:17] outlook is not able to export the contacts in a decent format ? [12:18] seb128: no === Treenaks tried [12:18] not even Nokia can export good vcards [12:18] seb128: cvs = comma separated format [12:18] should be good enough [12:18] Treenaks: hm? One of whom? [12:18] everyone else imports them easily enough [12:18] and I've seen the standard.. your DOG should be able to write good vcards.. that's how easy it is [12:18] Mithrandir: FirstName MiddleName LastName [12:19] Treenaks: no idea. [12:19] probably at least two of them [12:19] ok, so how do I delete all of my misfostered contacts? === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] Hello all, I was wondering if your guys are working on an administration tool for ubuntu to configure the distribution to your needs? [12:24] Or missed I something obvious ? [12:24] uh [12:25] apparently [12:27] the reason why I'm wondering is due I saw some threads on debian-desktop about porting yast2 to debian.... [12:33] which is a rather huge task, but perhaps it's something ubuntu can profit from? [12:33] Riddell: /join #kubuntu-devel === teo [~teo@66.111.33.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] hi [12:36] hi there === koke [~koke@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] hey guys [12:48] who is up for a BCN bof [12:48] ? [12:49] fabbione: me === sjoerd would like to go too [12:49] fabbione: when you want to go? [12:49] pitti: around 3 or 4? [12:49] or something like that [12:49] sounds fine to me [12:49] fabbione: 3 would be better, it gets too late otherwise [12:49] pitti: i don't want to go around play the turist [12:49] perhaps me, not sure with the pygtk bof [12:50] i want to go there and party [12:50] fabbione: oh, I want to see the city :-) [12:50] that means having 1 hour or 2 of sleep before that [12:50] me too [12:50] fabbione: enjoy [12:50] pitti: i plan to see the city tomorrow [12:50] fabbione: works for me, too :-) [12:50] I'll go tomorrow so === bitserf [~ljb@222-152-7-99.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] fabbione: you around? [01:06] yes [01:07] lamont_r: i am in the quiet not so quiet room ;) [01:07] anything i can do? [01:07] I just sent you mail wrt gnu-smalltalk [01:07] i read that... thanks [01:07] but i think the guy is basically MIA [01:08] i haven't heard from him since than [01:08] but giving it a shot isn't bad [01:08] iirc there was a kernel problem [01:08] that was preventing the build on the buildd [01:08] AND DIA A LITTLE MORE [01:09] when the unnamed feelings.... [01:09] TAKES ME AWAY! [01:09] fabbione: oh, if you are still awake, could you please mail me the gpg script? [01:10] seb128: nautilus & co aren't installable.. do you know that? [01:10] pitti: yes of course [01:10] AND DIE DIE A LITTLE MOREEEEE [01:10] pitti@c.c ? [01:10] fabbione: should work [01:10] ok [01:11] fabbione: never tried it, I always use martin.pitt@ [01:11] it should be on the way [01:12] pitti: clearly is not signed [01:12] you need to audit the code anyway === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] and change it for your needs [01:12] fabbione, garh, no [01:12] fabbione: I will, thanks [01:12] who broke them ? [01:12] Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host fiordland.warthogs.hbd.com[82.211.81.145] [01:12] said: 550 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown [01:12] fabbione: however, I did not yet get the mail [01:12] fabbione: darn; martin@piware.de is the fastest [01:12] seb128: no ide... [01:13] what's the problem exactly ? [01:13] pitti: there [01:13] fabbione: got it, thanks a lot [01:13] pitti: yo? [01:13] pitti: btw, when you bump l-r-m, you *must* bump nvidiaminor and atiminor in debian/rules [01:13] else the uploads get rejected [01:13] seb128: basically some dependecies are broken and tries to remove ubuntu-desktop and other stuff [01:13] i'm about to upload another to repair that [01:13] daniels: argh [01:13] Kamion: I wanted to ask you whether I shall fix l-r-m myself [01:13] JEEEEEEEEE [01:13] another l-r-m upload? [01:13] fabbione, I need details, I've nautilus and ubuntu-desktop and no problem here [01:13] you guys are teh suck :P [01:14] Kamion: but in the meantime I already did it === fabbione hides [01:14] daniels: okay, I will do another upload; or do you want to fix that yourselves? [01:14] seb128: i am upgrading right now.. so need to wait a few secs [01:14] pitti: it's alright, I'll take care of it [01:14] daniels: okay, thanks [01:14] WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MY GNOME YOU FREAKS [01:14] daniels: it was just very bad seeing my notebook not booting any more :-/ [01:14] seb128: KILL THEM ALL! [01:15] (and no I'm not going to fix the f****ing panel today) [01:15] seb128: does that mean that thom/keybuk did some uploads? === fabbione hands a sodomotron to seb128 [01:15] perhaps that's why they are hidding ? :) [01:15] thanks fabbione :) [01:15] seb128: that implies that when you are pissed off, you need to use the caps lock :-) [01:16] YEAH [01:16] pitti: fix? === pitti already sees gnome-panel haunting seb128 while he is asleep [01:16] Kamion: l-r-m-powerpc depended on the power3 kernel [01:16] nautilus deps on libnautilus-extensions [01:16] pitti: oh [01:16] nautilus-cd-burner depends on libnautilus2-2 (>= 2.7.1) [01:16] I've fixed that like 3 days ago [01:16] Kamion: I already fixed the deps, but forgot to bump the version number of other packages; daniels will fix that, too [01:16] which arch is that ? [01:17] *=- Opt libs libnautilus2 [01:17] nautilus conflicts with libnautilus2-2 [01:17] seb128: i386 from today update [01:17] pitti: hm, not in the linux-meta I uploaded? I guess you mean in l-r-m itself [01:17] reminder, meeting simulcast in #ubuntu-meeting [01:17] i think i saw this like for 2 days [01:17] Kamion: I initially thought the error was in -meta, that's why I pinged you [01:17] jdub: what's that? [01:17] Kamion: but the error was really in l-r-m [01:17] fabbione: me typing what people are saying :) [01:17] fabbione, apt-cache show nautilus ? [01:17] ahhh [01:17] Kamion: sorry for disturbing [01:18] Version: 2.9.1-0ubuntu2 [01:18] seb128: do you need anything particular? [01:18] the Depends [01:18] Depends: libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libeel2-2 (>= 2.9.1), libesd0 (>= 0.2.29-1) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.29-1), libexif10, libgail-common (>= 1.6.6), libgail17 (>= 1.6.6), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.7.3.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.3.6), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.5.5), libgnome-desktop-2 (>= 2.8.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgn [01:18] argh [01:18] it doesn't fit in one line [01:19] let's try this other way [01:19] seb128: the last one is desktop-file-utils [01:19] just do 2 copy/paste [01:20] check in pvt message [01:20] pitti: ok [01:20] fabbione, the interesting part is libnautilus* [01:20] libnautilus2-2 (>= 2.7.1) [01:20] Version: 2.9.1-0ubuntu4 [01:20] perhaps you forgot to bump the build-dep? [01:20] here [01:21] hmmm [01:21] *** 2.9.1-0ubuntu4 0 [01:21] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages [01:21] WTF [01:21] fabbione, apt-cache policy nautilus ? [01:21] seb128: if i try to upgrade to that version it tries to remove ubuntu-desktop [01:22] why ? [01:22] apt-cache policy nautilus-cd-burner ? [01:22] i wrote it before [01:22] nautilus-cd-burner: [01:22] Installed: 2.8.6-0ubuntu1 [01:22] Candidate: 2.8.6-0ubuntu2 [01:22] Version Table: [01:22] 2.8.6-0ubuntu2 0 [01:22] 500 http://mataro.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages [01:22] *** 2.8.6-0ubuntu1 0 [01:22] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status === fabbione wonders [01:22] apt-get install nautilus nautilus-cd-burner ? [01:23] whops [01:23] what ? === fabbione feels retarded === fabbione IS retared [01:23] seb128: you get to win a beer in BCN [01:23] cool :) [01:24] what was the problem ? [01:24] that i did put on hold the packages 2/3 days ago because of this problem [01:24] oh ok [01:24] and i forgot to tell apt to upgrade both of them [01:24] as i said [01:24] i am retarded [01:25] perhaps you could use some sleep ? [01:25] that's for sure [01:25] but i think i am going to enjoy all the day [01:25] and crash either tomorrow night [01:25] fabbione, i thought you were sleeping in preparation? [01:25] or something like that [01:25] in preparation for what? [01:26] it's always party time man ;) [01:26] i am actually fixing linux-source-2.6.9 [01:27] but i need to wait a full build this time [01:27] that kinda suck hard [01:31] gah! [01:33] robtaylor: do you have access to your emails? [01:34] rob? [01:37] fabbione, yep, why? [01:37] got your signature [01:38] fabbione, why is there both a linux-source-2.6.9 and kernel-source-2.6.9 ? [01:42] robtaylor: the second one is from debian [01:42] robtaylor: thanks for checking. i wasn't 100% sure about the mailgw over here === jamesh [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] robtaylor: ping? === jamesh [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] guys i am off to get some sleep [02:03] should we meet around 4pm at the hall of the hotel? === Simira leaves to go to Tollefs apartment and make dinner for her sister and sister's new boyfriend [02:06] have fun guys! [02:06] Simira: good luck [02:06] Hey Simira! [02:07] Kamion: btw, did you read the scroll-back buffer already? I found out why I got that mouse emulation bug. [02:07] hi and bye, jordi :) [02:07] Q-FUNK: yes, saw it, thanks [02:07] Simira: tollef will tell you. Some assholes got your camera and rushed out of the restaurant. [02:07] jordi: he did. I just send a form to my insurance-company. :( [02:07] dunno how to solve it; I guess we'll have to move those sysctls into the init script or something and conditionalise them more [02:07] Kamion: it's a case of relying upin the presence of features that might not be there, because ADB is only ever use on laptops, when it comes to recent macs. [02:08] you don't need to explain the issue any further; I understand it now :) [02:08] jordi: thanks for trying, anyway [02:08] Kamion: say... when can we expect fixed packages? ;) [02:09] but fixing it requires changing the way we do things at the moment, because right now those variables are just set in sysctl.conf which doesn't have conditionals [02:09] Q-FUNK: dude, you're not my boss :) [02:09] Q-FUNK: you might note that it's a saturday afternoon, and it's a sunny one at that [02:09] ... and therefore I'm buggering off into Barcelona soon [02:10] it's pretty rainy up here, actually, but fair enough. :) [02:10] yeah [02:10] i'm hitting the beach in a bit === Kamion needs to do Christmas shopping [02:11] Kamion: you too, eh :\ [02:11] Christmas stopping! Brilliant!!! :D [02:11] Kamion: given that I arrive at 6am on Christmas Eve, I figure I'd better get all my shopping done now [02:11] Kamion: rather than battling immense crowds when it's 30 or 40 degrees and I'm tired and jetlagged and very, very sore and annoyed === doko [~doko@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] Kamion: well, I was just asking when, since it's the only item left that's stopping me from installing on this iMac. all my x86 already is on ubuntu. [02:12] Q-FUNK: next week or two I guess. busy here ... [02:13] Kamion: fair enough. :) [02:18] daniels: will other X drivers be fixed as well [02:18] daniels: or only your leet x40 hacked driver? :) [02:25] Treenaks: the main wins were in the loader [02:25] Treenaks: so that's totally global, but yeah, my i830_driver stuff will probably never see the light of day [02:25] i can see it causing problems [02:29] amazing, the only laptop where *all* the ibm-acpi options work ...is the X40 [02:31] Q-FUNK: we've really changed too much for that plan to work === sivang [~sivang@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] sladen: wot a shock :) [02:31] hey all [02:31] hey siv [02:31] sivang: your key is in the mail :) [02:32] Treenaks : huh? [02:32] Treenaks : my public key? [02:32] sivang: yes [02:32] Treenaks : Thanks! [02:33] sivang: I could've mailed you your private key, but then you'd know I have it [02:33] Treenanks : jokes jokes... :) [02:40] Q-FUNK: it seems that only now my government is starting to consider the idea of doing collaboration with Linex and Guadalinex. [02:41] The main problem is, believe it or not, is that the Linex and Guadalinex Spanish regions (Extremadura and Andalucia) are left wing, my local govt is right wing. [02:41] jordi: but what is at the core of the political unwillingess to collaborate and instead end up with some many reginal distros within spain? [02:41] so, political as in political party? _that_ is what is preventing uniformization and collaboration within spain? === jordi nods sadly.. [02:42] should be getting better now [02:42] I sense they are stopping (right wing) being total dickheads. [02:43] what exactly is preventing the package selection and defaults to be common, but the language selection between basque, castillian and other languages be at the installer? [02:43] oh, ok. There's some differences in the materials in Basque and Valnecian schools anyway. [02:43] So it can't be exactly the same list, of cours.e [02:44] Basque probably needs some tools to make kids learn Basque, etc. [02:44] I'm trying to understand and compare, because I see a lot of politically-motivated "my own distro" stuff taking place in the Baltics and I'm wondering if the reasons are the same. [02:44] but yeah, we should be trying to have a base list of stuff, and it's not happening now globally in Spain because there is no communication, or it is being blocked by the politicians. [02:45] In my case, I'm trying to get some funds to pay a GNOME hacker to finish up Mergeant so we have a GNOME tool to manage databases and stuff. [02:45] And some other guy that puts time on libburn/coaster or whatever. [02:45] as for basque schooling, couldn't the base CD include localized SkoolLinux for all of Spain's main languages? [02:46] Only now they are realising it'll be so much cheaper to do it in collaboration with the rest... === azeem [~mbanck@lxsrv150.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] in the Baltics, the urge to do their own distro is to show that they have any IT skills in their "small" country, by making a _local_ Linux distro. [02:51] political importance on home-brew aspect and on NLS support, to save minority languages recently rescaped from the Soviet hell. [02:51] gotta shutdown, battery at 4% [02:54] jordi: feh, I run my battery to about -10% [02:54] I just wish the drivers would accept that I /want/ to do that and not power off at 0% or 3% === sivang would like to see a similar event , maybe not a full conference but a govmt. ubuntu involvement in Israel. [02:57] being such a small country, a size of an average city in europ/US , it would be fairly easy to unify and collaborate :) [02:58] er, getting into israel wouldn't be the easiest thing ever, i'd imagine === sabdf1 [~mark@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:58] (the uk and spain are both rather easy to get into; the us not nearly as much, and i'd imagine israel is right down near the bottom of the list) [02:58] fabbione: what's the chance getting hostap drivers used (or at least built) by default instead of kernel/orinoco ? [02:58] (australia is very easy to get into also) [02:59] daniels : why do you think so? === daniels punts it to /msg due to off-topicness. === sivang nods === ogra [~ogra@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] haggai: amu thinks you should come down in the crystal room.... [03:28] I mailed to ubuntu-users about pdf readers for ubuntu (gpdf), and heard upstream was working on integrating eog, gpdf, etc for a MacOS-Preview-like app [03:29] I said gpdf often didn't display a pdf well, while gnome-ghostview did [03:29] what is the advantage of gpdf over ggv? [03:31] ericf: they're fundementually different. gpdf uses bits of xpdf (a PDF engine) and ggv uses Ghostscript (a Postscript engine) [03:32] sladen: I see. But often I have a pdf that can't be opened by gpdf, but is good readable by both ggv and xpdf [03:32] that's why I don't really like gpdf... But the gpdf/xpdf approach of reading pdf's is considered superior over ggv's? [03:35] ericf: that's because the gpdf people made the unfortunately decesion to replace the xpdf font-infrastucture with the gtk+ stack. Ghostscript (as Postscript 3 compliant RIP) renders PDF [03:38] I see. Well, I have the impression the gtk+-stack doesn't do a very good job here. But is it correct that this is being worked on and this will be fixed? === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] anyone else having a non-working gnome desktop in current? [03:39] Because I don't know much about pdf rendering, but I don't understand gnome ships gpdf instead of ggv when the former so often fails [03:41] my bottom panel kind of works (though the desktop chooser shows muine running while the app list doesn't), the top panel is officially dead, and nautilus doesn't run and spits out no error [03:49] eruin: log out of X, and check if the panel is still running as your user [03:49] that's what experienced once [03:50] so log out everything, log in as root in tty1 (non-graphical), do `ps aux | grep eruin`, (if eruin is you username) and see if there are still panels running [03:51] this is right after a reboot [03:52] ;/ [03:53] I've found the last few updates to be sour, really [03:53] last time this happened it just solved itself after a reboot, but now that doesn't seem to work either [03:54] cedega is also fscked, but I think that's probably due to me using the nvidia installer instead of nvidia-glx [03:55] it could be that the updates are bad indeed... You can downgrade packages by installing them with `dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/package.deb`, or wait for better updates [03:55] but maybe some developer here can say something wiser about this situation [03:55] I'll reinstall NV drivers now just to check if that might have anything to do with it at all [03:56] brb' === koke [~koke@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont_r [~lamont@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyaneos [~Kyaneos@80.26.214.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:08] hi === lamont__r [~lamont@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont__r [~lamont@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] ericf: a reinstall of the nvidia 6629-drivers sorted my issues. === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:59] woohoo [04:59] the network's back === madduck [~madduck@madduck.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~sivang@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont_r [~lamont@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GotD0t [~GotD0t@24.48.147.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tim1 [~Tim@p5480C5C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jasc [~jasc@p508B299F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 reads the SuSE acpi management scripts === mjg59 is very, very scared [05:57] # The 'Button Sleep' events does always occur twice. Therefore we skip all [05:57] # events with odd event number. [05:57] WTF? === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:01] Ah - that's legacy stuff [06:09] mjg59: I've been trying to suspend my evo n600c, and have a little problem [06:09] Fwiffo: Mm? [06:09] it suspends beuatifully, but the screen is garbled on resume [06:09] ROCK AND ROLL [06:10] AND METAL [06:10] How well does subkeys.pgp.net cope with revoked _sub_keys? [06:10] is there a Ubuntu d-i netinstall image any way [06:10] i'v read that it might be because the videocard bios needs to be reset or something [06:11] http://www.doesi.gmxhome.de/linux/tm800s3/s3.html - mentions a tool for doing this [06:11] Fwiffo: Are you using my acpi-support package? === RubenV [~lambda1@83-134-126-108.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] I thought you might be interested in somthing like this [06:11] Hi, I have a question about the build system [06:11] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9/2.6.9-6/ [06:11] Fwiffo: We're using the stuff mentioned there, plus more [06:11] this is built succesfully for i386 [06:12] no, im on the standard hoary kernel [06:12] however, I can't find the debs anywhere, is this normal? [06:12] Fwiffo: Standard hoary kernel is fine. Grab acpi-support from http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/ and get the dependencies [06:13] With a bit of luck, running the /etc/acpi/sleep.sh script should result in working video [06:13] i would try the tool mentioned but it is dependant on the lrmi library which does'nt seem to be present in the repo's [06:13]