olorinparadoxmo: no prob12:00
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paradoxmosomewhere in a woody security update, the binary changed from being at /usr/libexec/sftp-server to /usr/lib/sftp-server12:01
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MasterShakePlease help with the iso torrents if you have some spare bandwidth... Thanks.12:02
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Jeltewhen i use alt-tab, the border of the other windows gets drawn as i cycle through the apps. Is that gnome? the window manager? or ubuntu specific?12:11
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olorinJelte: Gnome ... and also a common shortcut in many other WM12:12
ficusplanetJelte, I think that is a feature in metacity12:12
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andrilhello all again12:13
Jeltethanks... i'd like something more like expose from mac, cuz with many things open its hard to know which app is which ;-/12:13
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ficusplanetJelte, Download http://www.schlitt.info/applications/blog/index.php?/archives/196-Skippy-or-Expose-for-Gnome.html12:14
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Jelteficusplanet, thanks, i tried skippy... not really very usable though.. cuz it needs to take screenshots of the app, so cycles through them all before displaying12:15
andrildos anyone know how to serve with Ubuntu (email,web &ftp)?12:15
RuffianSoldierhow do I do a whole network ban on someone?12:15
ficusplanetJelte, Works really well with the new xserver though, so whenever you choose to move to hoary, enable the composite extension and give it another whirl.12:15
Jeltewas thinking of maybe changing the standard alt-tab so that if you hold it on one app for 1 second, it comes to the foregruond12:15
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Jelteficusplanet, hmmm now that sounds more interesting... so whats all that about? hoary got different x server?12:16
paradoxmoandril: what specifically do you want to do?12:16
olorinJelte: just configure that in the keyboard shortcut preference12:17
ficusplanetJelte, Yeah, hoary uses x.org 6.8.1, which includes the composite and damage extensions.  Composite lets you do all kinds of cool stuff - rgba, etc.12:17
andrilparadoxmo: i would like to get rid of my M$oft PC's and convert to UBUNTU - TO SERVE12:17
Jelteficusplanet, how much cpu does that drain though ? ;-)   but if it means skippy does quick snapshots then thats an improvement12:17
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Jelteolorin, ? not sure i understand you12:18
ficusplanetJelte, There are plans to move x.org to a GL backend.  And already with nvidia cards you can enable render acceleration - meaning no cpu is used whatsoever really.12:18
paradoxmoandril: are you good at reading documentation?12:18
olorinJelte: you can change de default action of ALT_TAB in the gnome keyboard configuration prefereces12:18
paradoxmoit's not as easy as windows, but much better in the long run12:18
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Jelteolorin, ah thanks! i'll have a look...12:19
andrilSURE -12:19
Jelteficusplanet, so how stable is hoary really?12:19
paradoxmoandril: "sudo apt-get install apache2" for webserving12:19
paradoxmowhat kind of email server do you want?12:19
paradoxmoproftpd for a basic ftp daemon12:19
andrili am sure i can read and follow if it's somewhat easy12:19
ficusplanetJelte, I've had no problems whatsoever, but YMMV.12:19
JelteYMMV?  ;-)12:20
ficusplanetYour milage may vary12:20
Jelteahh ;-)12:20
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Jelteolorin, can i use the 'windows' key as well?12:22
andrilkinda noob - i do this in terminal right12:22
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paradoxmoandril: http://ubuntuguide.org/12:22
paradoxmounder Apache HTTP Server12:22
olorinJelte: of course yes :)12:22
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olorinJelte: just try ...12:23
andrili ran it12:23
Jelteyea i figured that after asking.. duh ;-)12:23
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emoxeranyone know the xmms directory in ubuntu?12:24
emoxeri cant seem to find it12:24
andrilparadoxmo: i ran the command - it is finished12:24
sladenemoxer: how do you mean?12:24
paradoxmoandril: now drop stuff into /var/www/apache2-default12:24
emoxerwell i installed it12:24
ctdemoxer: 'whereis xmms'12:24
paradoxmoand try http://localhost see if it worked12:25
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sladenemoxer:   which xmms    should tell you where it is12:25
Jelteolorin, hmmm but not in combination with something else , like windowskey-w12:25
emoxerwell its already running, im listening to music right now12:25
emoxeri just want to add 2 skins12:25
Jelteolorin, but this works as well ;-)12:25
olorinJelte: ;)12:26
emoxeri think i found it.12:26
andrilemoxer: i believe it's .xmms (hidden folder) in home dir12:26
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RuffianSoldierok - whats the Hoary repos? im going to upgrade12:27
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Q-FUNKRuffianSoldier: change all occurances of warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list12:28
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olorinRuffianSoldier: RuffianSoldier http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/view?searchterm=hoary12:28
RuffianSoldierdeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted12:29
RuffianSoldierdeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted12:29
RuffianSoldierlike that?12:29
confrey|^|is there any musician?12:29
andrilparadoxmo: i don't have permission to copy to that dir12:29
RuffianSoldierjust change anything warty to hoary right?12:29
olorinconfrey|^|: yes12:30
confrey|^|olorin, you?12:30
olorinRuffianSoldier: yes12:30
paradoxmoandril: does http://localhost get you some page saying no site here or whatever?12:30
olorinconfrey|^|: yes me ...12:30
andrilhow can i tell what versio of Ubuntu am i using?12:30
olorinconfrey|^|: why not ?12:30
confrey|^|olorin, classical?12:30
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Q-FUNKRuffianSoldier: not just the security lines12:30
RuffianSoldierI know12:30
RuffianSoldierUniverese also12:31
olorinconfrey|^|: synthetizer and church organ12:31
RuffianSoldierand remove the #12:31
olorinconfrey|^|: so ... classical and ... other think less classical :d12:31
andrilthe apache page appears12:31
confrey|^|olorin, I'm a piano teacher12:31
olorinconfrey|^|: good12:31
confrey|^|olorin, I'm searching for lilypond in ubuntu, but it seems there isn't12:32
Jelteso no-one know of any 'virtual pets' for linux like Dogz ?? ;-/12:32
andrilParadoxmo: root is still the owner12:32
olorinconfrey|^|: there is just "denemo - A gtk+ frontend to GNU Lilypond"12:33
olorinconfrey|^|: just have a look here ;) http://lilypond.org/web/download/12:34
olorinconfrey|^|: and use the Debian package12:35
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paradoxmoandril: you can "sudo chown -R user.user /var/www/apache2-default/" to get it to be yours12:35
pridkettis there an easy way to disable all the little annoying gtk sounds in Ubuntu?12:35
confrey|^|how can I use the frontend if haven't I lilypond?12:35
paradoxmopridkett: yes12:35
paradoxmocomputer->desktop preferences->sound-> turn off "sounds for events"12:35
pridkettparadoxmo: disabling sound events seems to disable sounds for games too12:35
olorinconfrey|^|: i repeat ... http://lilypond.org/web/download check this and take the debian package12:36
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confrey|^|olorin, lilypond Debian package? from which version (testing,unstable)?12:36
Jelteparadoxmo, if its just the user interface events you are after?  cuz i think there's a little bug in the events dialog12:36
olorinconfrey|^|: SID/SARGE12:36
Jelteparadoxmo, i found you can not 'not select' a sound in them, but there's a workaround12:37
paradoxmoJelte: hmm, what is it?12:38
paradoxmoi don't like sounds in general, i turn them all off12:39
Jelteparadoxmo, select some other sound for it, that will ensure that the following file is created .... (trying to remember ;-))12:39
Jeltethen in that file, remove the wav files you previously selected, but keep the file there12:39
Jeltea reboot and all is quiet ;-)   (probably just need to restart some sound stuff, but didn't know which so went for reboot)12:39
Jelteif only i could remember what file that was! ;-)12:40
paradoxmoah, i see12:41
paradoxmoyeah, i see the glitch you're talking about12:41
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andrilparadoxmo: thanks guy - i got to feed the kids - i'll be back later to pick you brain12:41
Jelteparadoxmo, yeah, but i dont recall what bloody file it sets the stuff in ;-/12:42
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paradoxmoshouldn't someone fix that?12:43
paradoxmothat's a really silly mistake12:43
Jelteyeah... been meaning to set up a bugzilla account.. but been lazy ;-)12:44
paradoxmoshould look for a bugzilla bug12:44
Jeltegot a similar problem with a setting in gconf-editor that i cant seem to delete12:45
Jeltebut i've not worked out how i _should_ do it, so not sure if its a bug12:46
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paradoxmoi don't think you can delete settings in gconf editor12:46
paradoxmoonly blank them, no?12:46
Jelteah.. that would explain it then! ;-)12:46
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confreyolorin, hi, my desktop has crashed12:48
paradoxmojelte, that's not just an ubuntu thing right?12:48
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paradoxmoit's a general 2.8 thing?12:48
Jelteparadoxmo, which? gconf-editor?12:48
olorinconfrey: crash :o12:49
olorinconfrey: because of lilypond ?12:49
Jeltenah, i installed a new schema using the root terminal, thought i could just delete it in the gui... guess i'll have to bring out the root terminal again12:49
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confreyolorin, no no, nvidia drivers12:49
paradoxmono, the sound not being able to blank12:49
confreyolorin, where are you living?12:50
olorinconfrey: very nice country ;)12:52
confreyso did you install lilypond from pedrokroeger? is it working in ubuntu?12:52
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olorinconfrey: no i didn't on ubuntu12:52
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NeoXedhow can i install a .sh file?12:52
olorinconfrey: but ubuntu is debian based so il might work12:52
olorinNeoXed: sh file.sh12:53
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FCCdoes anyone know anything about networking with Ubuntu??12:53
Rotundare other people having issues that when they use GTK+-only programs under Hoary, they act like ALT is held?12:53
NeoXedi feel so dumb thanks man12:53
olorinFCC: like on any other distro ...12:53
RotundFCC: to what extent do you want to do things?12:54
FCCwell, i'm new to the linux world12:54
FCCi've been told that ubuntu is the distro for me12:54
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olorinFCC: maybe it's true :)12:54
RotundFCC: Ask and I should at least be able to tell you where to find the info12:54
FCCwell, file share with a xp puter, and share my DSL12:54
olorinFCC: it must be your choice, not our12:54
paradoxmofcc: you want two things: firestarter firewall and samba12:54
Rotundfirestarter and samba12:54
paradoxmorotund: gmta (-:12:54
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FCCwhats firestarter?12:55
RotundThough note that firestarter is broken12:55
RotundFCC: google12:55
olorinFCC: for file sharing in a mixex windows/unix network you will need ti install and configure samba12:55
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Morphaluswhy when i upgrade my warty to hoary, the ram usage is very big in hoary than warty ?12:55
FCChmm, ok12:55
olorinMorphalus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/view?searchterm=hoary12:55
RotundMorphalus: I dunno.  have you looked at top?12:56
olorinolorin: for the RAM not really but it's an unstable release ...12:56
paradoxmoFCC: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba12:56
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FCCthanks para!!12:56
olorinolorin: Morphalus for the RAM not really but it's an unstable release ...12:56
confreyolorin, it seems it can work in ubuntu; I haven't messages about unresolved dependencies; I can't install it now, I need to download 7 and more MB of asrchives, and I have a dialup connection....12:56
confreyolorin, are you expert about midi, jackd?12:57
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olorinnot in linux ...12:57
paradoxmohow is firestarter broken?12:57
olorini always use an old ATARI 1040 ST with CUBASE :)12:57
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FCCwill ubuntu be able to autoconfigure itself to share my net connection, or will it have to be manually done??12:58
Morphalusyes i know it's an unstable release (i read documentations...) but i was surprised when i saw the ram usage than warty12:58
FCCits going to my D-Link router, then out to the puters12:58
LinuxJonesFCC, Firestarter can do that for you12:58
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FCCfirestarter is broken?12:59
paradoxmorotund: how is firestarter broken?12:59
RotundThe firestarter icon uses gksu instead of gksudo12:59
FCCis that what i read?12:59
paradoxmooh, i see12:59
RotundNot a big deal, but the icon won't work12:59
paradoxmoyeah fcc, there's a way to fix that12:59
LinuxJonesFCC, It's not hard to do with iptables12:59
paradoxmogo there and follow the instructions12:59
FCCthanks again para!12:59
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Rotundand I can't find the menu editor under hoary01:00
Rotundis there one?01:00
Rotundapplications:/// doesn't work01:00
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Rotundcan't right-click either01:01
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Rotundjust has add-to-panel options01:01
paradoxmoi'm still running warty gnome, so mine works fine01:01
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RotundI would've liked to, but I added the new gnome-system-tools and it brought other stuff with it that I apparently couldn't downgrade01:03
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Rotundparadoxmo: Does warty have Firestarter 1.0?01:03
paradoxmono idea, checking packages01:04
ficusplanetIs the kernel in hoary patched with inotify?01:04
paradoxmoit has 0.9.3-401:04
Rotundparadoxmo: That's actually too bad.  1.0 is pretty slick01:05
Rotundficusplanet:  I don't know, but it doesn't have beagle01:05
Rotundin the repo01:05
paradoxmois it that much different, 0.9.3 and 1.0?01:05
paradoxmoi've never needed most of the advanced functions of firestarter01:06
xemokahello everyone, i've just recently got a laptop, wanted to put ubunto on it instead of gentoo (gentoo and compiling on a 233.. mmm hell) and see what a binary based distro (thats good) is like. However, it seems to hang at "searching for ubuntu installation media.." and decalres missing modules ide-mod, ide-probe-mod ide-detect and ide-floppy... any suggestions?01:06
RotundI couldn't find the "what is opening a port" in 0.9.301:06
ficusplanetRotund, Yeah, I just saw that 0.0.4 was released and was thinking about installing it, but I don't want to mess with the kernel.01:06
Rotundficusplanet: It's actually not that hard.  I'm just lazy though =)01:06
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paradoxmoxemoka: did you make sure it was a good burn?01:07
Rotundxemoka: Could be a bad burn?01:07
ficusplanetRotund, Same here.  Ubuntu is making me so lazy.  Everything is too easy.01:07
Rotundparadoxmo: again we answer the same01:07
RotundAre you reading my keypresses?01:07
Rotundficusplanet: Me too.  after Gentoo, I love not having to think about it as much01:07
xemokaRotund , paradoxmo: hmm... i'm pretty sure it's not that bad of a burn.. perhaps i'll try a re-burn.. is there any way to get the hoary on installation discs?01:08
paradoxmohaha, yeah 'cuz i'm so l33t that i hack into other people's irc traffic01:08
Treenaksgood burn, bad burn, sideburn..01:08
Rotundxemoka: Ummm... You could do the Debian net-boot and then upgrade to ubuntu01:08
Rotund(honestly, not as bad as it sounds)01:08
paradoxmoxemoka, does knoppix work?01:08
xemokaRotund: i dont yet have a ethernet card for the laptop :(01:09
RotundActually, Gentoo has deboot in it01:09
xemokaparadoxmo: yes knoppix works, thats why i'm confused..01:09
Rotundoh, that's no good.  especially for Linux =)01:09
FCCwell guys thanks!!01:09
FCCit was easier than i thought01:09
FCCit autoconfigured itself01:09
xemokathats why i was going for ubuntu, kinda comes with alot of what i need01:09
RotundFCC isn't it great?01:09
FCCdidn't have to run any proggies01:10
FCCfor 'net that is01:10
FCCi will have to install samba01:10
paradoxmoxemoka, i *would* try burning another cd01:10
FCCto network my XP puter01:10
Rotundcheck the MD5sum first, to be certain01:10
paradoxmogood idea rotund01:10
xemokaparadoxmo: okay, i'll give it a shot01:11
RotundFCC:  It probably can read from that coputer already01:11
xemokaparadoxmo: maybe this time try a cd-r01:11
Rotundopen nautilus in network01:11
paradoxmoxemoka: yeah, that might be it, i had that problem01:11
xemokaparadoxmo: hmm.01:11
paradoxmothe old cdrom didn't want to read the cdrw01:11
paradoxmomy old trusty dell pii 20001:11
xemokaso no ability to get hoary on a installation cd isntead of through apt-'ing?01:12
Rotundewww.  You run Ubuntu on that?01:12
paradoxmoi run plain debian on that01:12
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Rotundxemoka, you really probably don't want it01:12
paradoxmoit actually runs fine01:12
RotundI'm having some problems01:12
xemokaRotund: that many issues eh..01:12
paradoxmohoary is kinda flaky right now01:12
xemokaRotund: i'm just used to having things so bleeding edge that i cut myself... gentoo addict.. you know..01:12
Rotundxemoka: everytime I update nautilus... I have to restart X01:12
xemokaRotund: ow.01:13
paradoxmoyou could try apt pinning warty and installing stuff from hoary, if you're adventurous, that's what i'm doing01:13
RotundI think we scared him =)01:13
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Rotundyet, he comes back for more01:13
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ficusplanetjdub, Do you know if the hoary kernel has inotify patched in?01:14
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xemokaarg, general annoyance, anyone know how to get into a compaq's bios.. it's not f2.. it's not del...01:15
GotD0ttry f1201:15
GotD0tor f801:15
GotD0tor just try all the F's01:15
paradoxmodid you try escape01:15
xemokaoh fun.. pheonix bios..01:15
xemokawhatever i hit got into it01:15
paradoxmosometimes it'll tell you if you do that01:15
GotD0tis there a problem with nautilus with the new update in hoary?01:16
AMIGrAvedoes ubuntu have the same social contract than debian ?01:16
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Skwid_xemoka: i usually just sit on the keyboard on boot :)01:16
paradoxmowhat kind of problem GotD0t01:16
xemokaSkwid_: lol01:17
paradoxmoskwid_: i should try that the next time01:17
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GotD0tparadoxmo: LIKE IT NOT WORKING01:17
GotD0tparadoxmo: sorry01:17
GotD0tparadoxmo: accident01:17
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paradoxmoit was nice and dramatic01:17
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xemokalol arg now i can't get back in01:17
xemokahmm now to find the farking bios jumpers..01:18
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TheStuffhi ..01:18
TheStuffwhere can i find full online help with Ubuntu01:19
GotD0ttheres an instance of nautilus that won't die01:19
RotundHere's what you need to do.01:19
paradoxmothestuff, there is no "full online help," but there is a lot of documentation at: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationArea01:19
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RotundGotD0t:  Kill X w/ ctrl+alt+bksp.  Then at the terminal kill anything gnome related01:20
GotD0tRotund: bah, ok... ill do that in a bit01:20
Rotundparticularly evolution-data-server, trashapplet,01:20
Rotunduhhh... pkill gno; pkill evo; pkill trash.  That gets most01:20
RotundGotD0t: It happens everytime they've upgraded the package lately01:21
GotD0tRotund: seems like it01:21
Rotundokay.  BRB.  doing what I just told GotD0t =)01:21
TheStuffparadoxmo, thanx .. i need to install java runtime, flash plugin ... etc ..01:21
GotD0ti wish there was some way i could fork a prog with a gui into the background so i could restart X while still having that app runningt01:21
DagaZhow do I install a debianpackage manually?01:22
paradoxmothestuff: look under restrictedformats on that page01:22
paradoxmodagaz: download it and do dpkg -i packagename.deb01:22
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paradoxmothestuff: and, ubuntuguide.org01:23
RotundGRRR.  GTK is still broke01:23
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Rotundokay.  I figured it out.  If you aren't on a place to type text, it will do what you type in the menu bar (ugh)01:24
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erichHi, any of the developers working on the faster boot process around?01:25
mjtprobably stupid question.  Is kernel in hoary supposed to be buildable?01:25
Rotundmjt: I'd hope so01:25
erichAre you using the default "boot-chart", or have you modified it?01:25
Rotunderich: I have talked to them about it01:25
DagaZparadoxmo: thx01:25
gentoox86can i install a wireless card (DWL-650) driver written for kernel 2.4.20 on ubuntu latest release (4.1) ?01:25
erichbecause it doesn't play together too well with Debians "top"01:25
TheStuffparadoxmo, thanxagain .. but that is not wht  am looking for .. i remember there was a doc. like walkthrough i cant find it01:25
TheStuffparadoxmo,  thanx .. i got it01:26
Rotunderich: Interesting01:26
erichRotund: my top here by default doesn't include the "PPID" column, which boot-chart tries to use.01:26
Rotundokay.  I haven't looked at it that much.  I was more for losing the SysV things.  They didn't like that answer =)01:27
mjtwhen doing dpkg-buildpackage in linux-source-2.6.9-2.6.9, it fails with:01:27
mjtThe changelog says we are creating 2.6.9, but I thought the version is 2.6.9-1-k701:27
RotundI like Seth's make idea.01:27
Rotunderich: I can look for a sec though01:27
erichAh, i see what i need to do.01:28
erichget a .toprc file into the boot-chart directory.01:28
Rotundokay.  Never mind then =)01:28
RotundI don't see boot-chart in synaptic01:29
Rotundshould it be there?01:29
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Rotundor are they just building it for themselves?01:30
RotundCan someone in Warty tell me how much RAM nautilus is using for them?01:30
erichRotund: i tried building it with gcj but failed. Building it for sun jdk worked.01:31
paradoxmorotund: as measured by ps?01:31
Rotundnot that surprising I supposed01:31
erichRotund: which number are you looking for? the numbers reported in top are treacheous.01:31
RotundVM Size in Gnome-Sys-Mon01:31
RotundIs that that right name?01:31
erichRotund: the VM size usually inkludes like 4M unused memory for each thread IIRC.01:31
erichso the more threads an app uses, the more memory will be listed there. while the app may still be conservative.01:32
Rotunderich: so, what's accurate?01:32
paradoxmorotund: i get 62.5M for that number01:32
Rotundokay.  so it's gotten better =)01:32
paradoxmoi have four nautilus windows open01:32
Rotundokay.  that might hurt it a bit01:33
paradoxmono, wait, two now01:33
paradoxmoopening new ones doesn't increase the memory01:33
RotundWell, nautilus NEEDS to get shrunk down.  I hope they make miracles in 2.1001:33
paradoxmoit's already so much faster than 2.4 i'm happy enough01:34
paradoxmoi remember 2.0, it was slow as hell01:34
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RotundI've been on computers strapped for RAM.  It's bad01:34
erichRotund: no idea. the RSS value should be much better.01:34
Rotundyes it was01:34
Rotunderich: see that's not in top for me01:34
paradoxmoi never used nautilus until 2.201:35
Rotundparadoxmo: ROX?01:35
Rotundor nothing?01:35
erich63188 8344 6852 S  0.0  1.6   0:00.39 evolution-alarm   <--- from ps output. virtual size of evolution-alarm is 63 MB. 8 MB resident (including shared libraries)01:35
erichRotund: RES in top i think.01:35
paradoxmocommandline, and gthumb when i needed it01:35
seb128top or ps are not good way to evaluate the memory usage of a process01:36
Rotundseb128: What is then?01:36
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RotundI know X gets bloated by vid ram01:36
seb128Rotund, look on the memory card in the gnome-system-monitor01:36
BlacKnight|has anyone gotten the proprietary ati drivers to work in ubuntu?01:37
RotundIt's in the Wiki, I believe01:37
BlacKnight|and how do i stop ubuntu from starting x on bootup?01:37
paradoxmowhat memory card, under more info?01:37
erichRotund: i think using "RES - SHR" could be a fair value.01:37
BlacKnight|yeah, that's not helping me :)01:37
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seb128paradoxmo, right click on the process01:38
RotundBlacKnight|: You've read it?01:38
RotundBlacKnight|: because I'm no help after that.  Or I can help you find it01:38
paradoxmomemory maps?01:38
paradoxmothat's a lot of information01:38
BlacKnight|Rotund: yeah i've read it01:39
BlacKnight|did it work for you?01:39
RotundI have NVIDIA01:39
seb128paradoxmo, yes, you have a lot of shared libs in memory01:39
BlacKnight|did you use the stock ubuntu kernel?01:39
erichhttp://www.mucl.de/~erich/bootchart.png  <-- my boot chart, btw. ~30 seconds to gdm-greeter on a ThinkPad A31p, nothing optimized execpt not using sysvinit...01:39
Rotundthat's why I said no help01:39
seb128paradoxmo, the evolution-alarm part is small01:39
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paradoxmoblacknight: to disable starting of X, uninstall gdm (and xdm and kdm if present)01:40
BlacKnight|i don't really want to uninstall it though01:40
Rotundno, just remove from the boot01:40
BlacKnight|from init.rd?01:40
seb128ericf, with which tool do you do this graph ?01:40
Rotund/etc/rcx.d I forget what x is though =-)01:40
paradoxmookay, the hack is to delete it from /etc/rc2.d01:40
BlacKnight|well if i type init it'll tell me 201:40
BlacKnight|sorry, runlevel01:41
BlacKnight|ajay@ajay:~ $ runlevel01:41
BlacKnight|N 201:41
paradoxmoor, update-rc.d -f gdm remove01:41
paradoxmothat'll work too01:41
Rotundohhh.  I need to remember that01:41
paradoxmoand then update-rc.d gdm defaults to get it back01:41
BlacKnight|how do i add it again?01:41
BlacKnight|wow, kernels take a long time to compile01:42
paradoxmoglad to be of service01:42
RuffianSoldierno shiz01:42
BlacKnight|thanks a lot01:42
Rotundseb128: What are the things in memory maps w/ no name?01:42
paradoxmookay, it's dinner time. been a pleasure folks01:43
seb128Rotund, a bug in gnome-system-monitor01:43
Rotundahhh =)01:43
Rotundso, is it using that memory?01:43
seb128Rotund, should have a name between [...] 01:43
erichseb128: the boot-chart tool, like all others do.01:44
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seb128these are system stuff01:44
seb128erich, ok01:44
Rotundokay.  cuz I had a doozy of 796KB01:44
seb128erich, yours looks really weird01:44
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erichseb128: because the ppid information is missing others do have. different top options. i will have that in the next run.01:46
farruinnare there any apt gurus here?  I've added hoary to my sources.list because I needed a couple of packages, however I want to maintain a warty system.  Is there a way to prevent apt-get upgrade from upgrading everything to hoary?01:47
Rotundyes.  I don't remember how =)01:48
erichfarruinn: google for "target-release"01:48
Rotundyou need to pin it...01:48
farruinnRotund, pin everything?01:49
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erichfarruinn: you can set pins by distribution name.01:49
Rotundfarruinn: Actually, erich just told you how01:49
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erichfarruinn: and using "Apt::target-release" will setup such a pin.01:49
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erichfarruinn: you can do a lot of things with pin, its all in the apt manpages. apt_preferences and such.01:49
RuffianSoldier Tsjoklat - your an op :-D01:50
farruinnok, thanks erich01:50
erichyou can even use apt pins to downgrade a hoary system to warty.01:50
TsjoklatRuffianSoldier :P01:50
RuffianSoldieryou might want topic protection01:50
RuffianSoldieranyone can change it01:50
Rotunderich: really?01:50
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HaRDaWaYhello people!01:50
TsjoklatRuffianSoldier shhhh it's a secret :)01:50
Rotunderich: can you set pins in synaptic?01:51
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maruenhi people01:51
maruensomebody could help me how to configure X in ubuntu?01:52
benjamiduring installation i never had to type a root-passwort...now i cant log in01:52
RuffianSoldieris the next gnome going to be 2.10 or 3?01:53
RuffianSoldiercuz if its 2.10 thats a crackhead way of version01:53
Rotundbenjami: root is not enabled01:53
farruinnactually, in the extended tab of synaptic preferences I selected warty as the "default archive".  That doesn't do the same thing as as Apt::target-release is it?01:53
Tsjoklatbenjami that is not your root password it is the user password01:53
Rotundyou use sudo instead01:53
Rotundsudo will ask for YOUR password01:53
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Rotund(yes you have to be added to the sudo user list)01:53
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maruenmsg Rotund could you help me how to configure X?01:53
benjamiRotund, and why theres no root...01:54
benjamifrom the beginning?01:54
Tsjoklatbenjami sudo is considered to be better01:54
Rotundit's the OSX way01:54
RuffianSoldierI love sudo01:54
RuffianSoldieri find it much more fun01:54
Rotundit actually makes some sense kinda.01:54
farruinnit's a security measure, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo01:54
_|Imanewbie|_Is there any free chat channel in freenode?01:55
xemokahrmph.. well problem continues to be consistant.. looks like ubuntu isnt ready for my poor laptop..01:56
benjamiand i dont wanted to install gnome and firefox and this stuff, why it is installed?01:56
erichRotund: no idea.01:56
Rotunderich: actually, it has a "set internal variable'  I think that may be it01:56
Tsjoklatbenjami you should have installed ubu custom01:56
olorinbenjami: if you don't want to install gnome and firefox ... don't install Ubuntu and use another distro01:56
erichRotund: i'm a debian user, and while i know the synaptic author closely - we worked together on integrating debtags with synaptic - i don't use synaptic myself. guis are always way to slow.01:57
Tsjoklatolorin that is not needed.. if he insists on using ubu he/she/it can but it is just a more difficult route01:57
erichRotund: you can probably set the "default distribution" with that, but not arbitrary pins01:57
Rotunderich: It's nice to search for packages, but I do use apt-get quite a bit too01:57
benjamiolorin, so thats the "open source way?01:57
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olorinbenjami: use debian then ...01:58
benjamiolorin, i just cant believe it....theres no option01:58
olorinbenjami: i mean you can ... but ... use the good tools for the goor job ...01:59
olorinbenjami: but it's not the philosophy of ubuntu ...01:59
olorinbenjami: and if you look correctly you can choose the expert installation method at boot time ;)01:59
Tsjoklatbenjami what is it that you want then? KDE?02:00
benjamitheres an expert option? ....yeah maybe kde02:00
olorinbenjami: yes there is different installation method02:01
benjamiand then i can choose what i want to instlal?02:01
Tsjoklatbenjami when you install 'custom' you can pick a base install: ubuntu-base and take it from there02:01
olorinbenjami: i think it's not the expert method you need, i don't remeber her name but just have a look at boot time02:01
olorinTsjoklat: Custom that's it :)02:01
erichRotund: more for browsing that for searching actually. For mere searching i prefer "apt-cache search"02:02
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benjamiolorin, its the first option at installation?02:02
farruinnwow, why do so many people /msg here?02:02
Rotunderich: actually, on debian, I always use packages.debian.org02:02
olorinyou might have to press F1 for more help i think02:02
farruinnRotund, slow, apt-cache is awesome =)02:02
olorinbenjami: you might have to press F1 for more help i think02:03
Tsjoklatolorin yes.. when the cd starts up at the prompt02:03
Rotundfarruinn: I have it on a linode.  I can't afford that much HDD access  on my own machine at that point =)02:03
Tsjoklatbenjami I would suggest you check out the wiki pages and/or the forum02:04
Tsjoklatdo a search for custom install and it will help you further02:04
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benjamiok, thanks so far :)02:06
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RalphNaderhello chan02:08
RuffianSoldierHey - i just rebooted into Hoary02:08
RuffianSoldierlooks the same :-\02:08
RuffianSoldiera bit02:08
RuffianSoldierfont is different02:08
zenwhenhey RuffianSoldier do you post on the ubuntu forums?02:08
olorinRuffianSoldier: do you have problem with the gnome applets ?02:08
RuffianSoldieri dont think02:09
RuffianSoldieri see a difference :-D02:09
RuffianSoldiernew menu bars02:09
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RuffianSoldierI know you02:09
RuffianSoldieri dont know if Im in XOrg or XFree though02:09
Tsjoklathey zenwhen02:09
zenwhenhey Tsjoklat02:09
olorinRuffianSoldier: xorg ;)02:09
GotD0tRuffianSoldier: check which config file is in /etc/X1102:10
zenwhencan you ge ton ICQ?02:10
RuffianSoldierone problem - the background looks like its in low color or little colors02:10
TsjoklatI amon ICQ02:10
zenwhenI dont see you :(02:10
Tsjoklatyour typing is contagious :P02:10
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Tsjoklatme be invisable02:11
TsjoklatI sees you :P02:11
zenwhenmsg me02:11
RuffianSoldierUmmmm - i see a XF86Config-402:11
olorinRuffianSoldier: do you see a xorg.conf ?02:11
erichIs there a readahead-early.list file available for ubuntu somewhere?02:11
RuffianSoldierI see it lol02:11
olorinRuffianSoldier: so it's xorg ;)02:12
RuffianSoldierhow can I make it 32bit color?02:12
Tsjoklatedit the xorg.conf02:12
olorinRuffianSoldier: like in Xfree02:12
olorinRuffianSoldier: Section "Screen"02:13
olorinRuffianSoldier: DefaultDepth    2402:13
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olorinRuffianSoldier: and put 3202:13
defunkti need someone who is very well versed in linux, please02:13
Tsjoklattry sudo though :P02:13
olorindefunkt: so what's your problem ?02:14
defunktplease msg me if you can, i need some pretty detailed help02:14
defunktcan i pm you olorin?02:14
Tsjoklatdefunkt I would just toss the question in here02:14
olorindefunkt: pm ?02:14
farruinnwtf is up with /msg?02:14
Tsjoklatprivate message olarin02:14
defunktok i'll just toss it here02:14
defunkti switched from windows to ubuntu about 4 days ago02:14
Tsjoklatwhich is good02:14
defunkti had 2 40 gigs02:14
olorindefunkt: yes you ca02:15
defunkti tossed all the files i needed i backup on my slave which is formatted in win2k ntfs02:15
defunktnow i need to figure out how to mount that drive so that i can grab those files off the slave02:15
defunktthen format the slave to ext3 again02:15
Rotundyou should be able to read from it02:15
Tsjoklatbut you can't write to it02:15
LinuxJonesdefunkt, check this out >> http://ubuntuguide.org/02:15
olorindefunkt: i understand pretty wel02:16
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Tsjoklatthere is a big chance you corrupt it02:16
Rotundyeah, don't write02:16
Rotundat all02:16
defunktno i won't02:16
Tsjoklatso you need a grub line?02:16
defunktit is not automatically recognized02:16
Tsjoklatis that what you are saying?02:16
defunktif that is what it takes02:16
Tsjoklatdo you want mine?02:17
olorindefunkt: so you have to mount the ntds partition manually02:17
Rotundyou can't just mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt/02:17
defunktthat is correct02:17
RotundI think that should work02:17
olorinjust adding a line into /etc/fstabfor that02:17
Rotundmay need -t ntfs02:17
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crimsunmount -t ntfs -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/hdd1 /mnt/ntfs02:17
olorinor temporary mount the partition into /mnt02:17
defunktcan someone please walk me through that step by step?  seriously i am really new to linux :X02:17
farruinndefunkt, just go to the terminal and enter what crimsun said02:18
LinuxJonesdefunkt, >> http://ubuntuguide.org/02:18
Rotundfarruinn: there probably isn't a /mnt/ntfs02:18
defunktno there isn't02:18
crimsun(that assumes your ntfs partition is /dev/hdd1 and that /mnt/ntfs has been created)02:18
Rotundhe'll need to make that02:18
Tsjoklat/dev/hda1       /windows/C      ntfs    ro,noauto,users,gid=users,umask=0002,nls=iso8859-1 0 002:18
Tsjoklatthat's mine defunkt02:18
farruinnoi, sorry :-/02:18
Tsjoklatbut be aware I have restrictions on it and I use ISO not UTF02:18
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Tsjoklatbtw that's fstab not grub defunkt sorry02:20
defunktoh, ok.  thank you Tsjoklat :)02:21
defunkti appreciate it guys02:21
Tsjoklatdefunkt did you make a partion fat? so you can write/read? or no need for that?02:21
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ubuntuhello, i cant find the page where it says how I can upgrade to hoary02:22
Tsjoklatubuntu change your sources.list from warty to hoary02:22
Tsjoklatcd /etc/apt02:22
defunktwell i gotta save these vital files first02:22
defunktbut i think i can figure it out from here02:22
Tsjoklator do it through synaptic02:22
olorinubuntu: hum ... google ( ubuntu, hoary ) and it's the first page ...02:22
defunktjust wasn't sure how to mount that hdd02:23
Tsjoklatdefunkt that should work.. the example I gave you.. just edit to your needs02:23
ubuntuTsjoklat, thanks just the 2 main 1 ?02:23
crimsunubuntu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary02:24
Tsjoklatubuntu you need four lines two for archives and two for security02:24
Tsjoklatubuntu make sure you have: main restricted universe multiverse in it02:24
Tsjoklatthat way you will be able to get everything02:24
LinuxJonesQuest-Master, any website that quotes Laura DiDido is pure trash. She is a total idiot with regards to Linux and technology in general.02:25
Tsjoklatubuntu after you edited your sources.list (through apt or synaptic) do an update then a dist-upgrade02:25
Tsjoklatubuntu you know how to do that?02:25
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ubuntusynaptic easy02:27
Tsjoklatit is but it has 'issues'02:27
ubuntusources.list also02:27
ubuntuthanks :)02:27
ubuntui just wish it worked but it runs slow on my pc =\02:27
TsjoklatI find doing it through console easier but if you like synaptic use that02:28
Tsjoklatsynaptic is slow on your box? as in?02:28
ubuntui have a celeron 635mhz 256mb, 20gb .02:28
ubuntuno ubuntu is slow02:28
ubuntu19gb root, 1gb swap02:28
Tsjoklatthat's a first I heard ubuntu... ubu being slow02:28
Hikaru79|CloneHey, I'm interested in buying a digital camcorder; can anyone who has some knowledge in this area please help me compare a few items?02:28
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TsjoklatHikaru79 make sure you can get the nix drivers for it..02:29
Hikaru79|CloneTsjoklat, lol :P02:29
amathisis there a good program that I can pick up radio streams?/??02:29
Hikaru79|CloneNot sure if any of them have nix drivers02:29
amathislike live365?02:29
Hikaru79|Cloneamathis, try gxine or xmms02:29
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amathisno... I mean a program that will find me the streams02:29
sjoerdHikaru79|Clone: get a dv one with firewire, then you can use it in gnu/linux02:29
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Hikaru79|CloneTsjoklat, so can you just help me with deciding between a Panasonic and a SOny?02:30
Hikaru79|Clonesjoerd, I see02:30
farruinnI don't see how tons of swap will make your system faster - I mean RAM is fast, not my harddrive02:30
ubuntui thought swap helps02:30
Hikaru79|Cloneamathis, gxine has a fairly large pre-built list of media marks into it02:30
Hikaru79|Clone*built into02:30
farruinnwell yes, but it's slow02:30
ubuntuso i gave it more than 512mb02:30
ubuntuI never heard anybody other than me calling my system slow02:30
ubuntufirst time too02:30
ubuntuthey say its fast , but i also need more ram but i cant get anymore though so i gotta stick with this02:31
Hikaru79|CloneTsjoklat, sjoerd, anyone have experience with either the Panasonic PVGS15 MiniDV Compact DigiCam or the Sony DCRHC40 MiniDV Digital Handycam?02:31
Hikaru79|CloneBoth are dv with firewire02:31
Hikaru79|CloneNot really looking for *nix functionality; just a feature set in general02:31
Hikaru79|CloneI know #ubuntu might not be the best place for it *blush* But it's worth a shot to see if anyone here can offer some guidance :)02:32
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emoxerokay im having a problem, why doesn't ubuntu allow root accounts, and if anyone knows how to add ownership to a directory through a regular user account please tell me.02:34
emoxerthis is frustrating :[02:34
mjtroot account is required, it can't be disallowed... ;)02:35
emoxerwell do you know how to login with it?02:35
farruinnubhuti rootsudo02:35
ubhutiBy default root is disabled in Ubuntu.  Instead use sudo.  If you haven't already, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo.02:35
mjtdo you know how to login "with" other account?02:35
emoxerbecause i keep putting root as the user name when i login and it doesnt let me, and i already set a new pw for it.02:35
emoxeralright well, do you know how to copy and paste a folder through sudo?02:36
emoxerthnx for helping btw02:36
farruinnemoxer, so you have enabled your root user?02:37
emoxeri suppose i did, through sudo02:37
emoxerbut it is not letting me when i logout to login with it02:37
farruinnhow did you go about enabling root with sudo?02:38
emoxersudo passwd root02:38
farruinnhuh, and the password you set isn't working?02:39
farruinnwell, if I were you I'd just use sudo -s -H for now02:40
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defunktok well02:40
defunkti got it mounted02:41
thenukewhat is that -H?02:41
defunktbut when i check computer > disks > mnt > win2k02:41
defunktit brings up a blank screen but it shows that there is only like 32.9 gigs left available02:41
farruinnthenuke, changes $HOME variable so you can do things like apt-get install and what not02:41
farruinnthenuke, go ahead and try running apt-get install after getting a root shell via sudo -s =)02:42
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thenukehm, I have used apt-get without -H I think02:42
mjtis it always this "loudly" here in #ubuntu?02:42
emoxerdo you know where i can find the list of packages for ubuntu?02:42
thenukeatleast I think so :)02:42
thenukemight not be so then if it does not work02:42
defunktemoxer: synaptek?02:42
emoxerhow do i get to that?02:43
PotajiTowhat are the pros and contras of using sudo? i use it it in ubuntu and for me is practically the same02:43
thenukePotajiTo: I cant figure out any cons02:43
emoxerit says "you must run this program as the root user"02:43
mike998PotajiTo: how do you mean?02:43
defunktcomputer > system configuration > synaptic package manager02:43
farruinnPotajiTo, the wiki does a good job of explaining: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo02:44
DagaZI did this: sudo ln -f /media/cdrom1 /dev/dvd but I did set it wrong.. how do I change it? it should be /media/cdrom002:44
thenukePotajiTo: and it might be more secure to not enable the root account02:44
emoxerholy crap.02:44
emoxerthanks, i didnt know they had this!02:44
DagaZln -s I mean02:44
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olorinDagaZ: just delete the link you just create an make the new one02:45
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DagaZolorin: rm /media/cdrom1?02:45
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mjtDagaZ: any other ideas? ;-P02:46
olorinDagaZ: i suppose you wanted to create un new dvd link ...02:46
DagaZmjt: n00bwarning on me.. ok ;)02:46
DagaZolorin: that is what I want..02:46
olorinDagaZ: i'm maybe wrong but the command is ... ln -s /dev/dvd /dev/cdrom002:47
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olorinDagaZ: target at the end of the command02:47
DagaZolorin: ok02:47
olorinDagaZ: i'm wrong :d02:48
olorinso ... just delete /dev/dvd02:48
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DagaZthx.. now it works..02:50
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emoxeralright, so im still having the same problem logging in as root02:50
mjtare you sure you want to log in as root?02:51
hazmati've tried to compile thunderbird from source on warty, (ppc) but when i start it up the fonts look horrendous.. is there some missing magic needed ?02:51
emoxerwell the thing is i just want ownership to a folder02:51
maruenDagaZ could you help me to install xfce4 in ubuntu02:51
emoxeri want to add some skin files to xmms02:51
emoxerits not letting me do anything under the /usr/ folders02:51
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Tsjoklatemoxer it is in /home/user/.xmms02:51
mjtDO NOT change permissions in /usr02:51
Tsjoklatput your skins in that dir: .xmms/skins/02:52
emoxeroh, yeah? opps rofl ;x02:52
emoxersry im a n00b02:52
mjtbtw, a friend of mine once played with *nix... the first thing he did was changing ownership of /etc and /etc/shadow so he is able to view/edit files from his win machine using samba...02:53
emoxeri am a moron02:53
RalphNaderokay, super noob question02:53
farruinnwasn't there a distro called lindows?  made virtually every user root or something?02:53
RalphNaderwhere are my kernel sources? synaptic shows them installed, but they're not in /usr/src02:53
mjtfarruinn: linspire now02:53
emoxerall i had to click was "show hidden files"02:54
emoxeryeah, i believe linspire does put every user as root02:54
emoxeri used it for about two days, it blew02:54
farruinnRalphNader, dpkg -L package will tell you where files are installed from package02:54
RalphNadern/m, I'm retarded02:55
RalphNaderthe source tarball is right there02:55
amathisanyone here use streamtuner?02:55
crimsunRalphNader: /usr/src/linux-source-`uname -r`02:55
emoxeryay, now i got a pretty xmms02:55
emoxerthanks guys. lol02:55
crimsunerr, it's just the main without EXTRAVERSION, sorry02:55
emoxerim gonna go drink a beer and pop a xanax bar, get tore up02:56
emoxerill bbl02:56
mjtemoxer: but you HAVE to learn how to do something as root, anyway.. i think ;)02:57
RalphNaderI recently installed linspire on an old p2 box02:58
RalphNaderplayed with it02:58
RalphNaderand yes, it makes everyone root02:58
RalphNaderthe /home is really /root02:58
RalphNaderit also tries to sell you on a package upgrade service02:58
emoxerwhat task would i need to perform as root02:58
RalphNaderyou subscribe and it lets you have access to repositories that are free elsewhere02:58
farruinnrm -rf / ;-)02:58
farruinndon't nobody do that!02:58
emoxeras a kid i used to tell people a hacking program comes out if you go to commandline and type deltree /y C:\03:00
emoxeron windows03:00
xxorroxxand they believed something that stupid ?03:01
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emoxerdoubtful, how so?03:01
xxorroxxwere you doing this on AOL preteen chat or what ..03:01
emoxeri'd tell people online03:01
emoxerbecause they'd ask me03:01
emoxeri used to do that to the school computers when i was in middle/high school03:02
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emoxerand the computer technicians would come in with a windows 98 cd and still not be able to fix it03:02
emoxersince they need to format the drive after that03:02
Tsjoklatemoxer is that xanax bar you were talking about your medication?03:02
Tsjoklatyou seem a tad hyper03:03
xxorroxxhes goofy :P03:03
emoxernah actually xanax is a anti-depressant03:03
emoxerit makes you lazy.03:03
emoxeri havent taken it yet03:03
Tsjoklatwell perhaps you should03:03
emoxerno beer in the fridge so i put one in03:03
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Tsjoklatyou are giving me a bleeding headache with your rambling :P03:03
xxorroxxhes been chewing some kind of uppers03:03
emoxerwhy. lol03:03
hazmatis hoary stable?03:03
Tsjoklathazmat no03:03
hazmatlet me rephrase does it crash all the time?03:03
Tsjoklathazmat yes03:04
xxorroxxwhats the best customizable linux live cd .. with documentation on how to change/add stuff03:04
Tsjoklatlol sorry seb128 I didn't mean to become your parrot03:04
seb128no problem :p03:04
emoxerubuntu's been the best linux i've used so far03:04
emoxerbesides the fact that i cant read my fat32 drives03:04
emoxerbut w/e03:04
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hazmati'd really like to use thunderbird instead of evo for email, compiling thunderbird (1.0) from source results in horrible fonts by default, i was curious if anyone had any suggestions as to a possible cause.03:05
hazmati'm on ppc, so binaries are non existent.03:05
xxorroxxemoxer: why cant you read your fat32 drives .. is support built into your kernel ?03:05
seb128just don't build from sources03:05
seb128use the packages03:05
hazmatthe packages are extremely old03:05
emoxerno clue03:05
seb128hazmat, like 2 month yes03:05
emoxeri've just had ubuntu today03:05
hazmatlike 0.8 for thunderbird03:05
seb128that's the older stuff ever03:06
hazmatvs. 1.0 which is out now03:06
Tsjoklatseb128 are you aware of the issues of gnome-panel in hoary?03:06
seb128no way to use that old stuff for sure03:06
farruinnhazmat, are you building from debian sources, as in apt-get source -b mozilla-thunderbird ?03:06
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seb128Tsjoklat, no03:06
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farruinndebian source packages that is03:06
hazmatfarruinn, no from dist source, i took a look at the gentoo ebuild, and i'm downloading the deb source to look how they compile things.03:06
Tsjoklatseb128 some people in the ubu-nl channel are having problems with the gnome-panel in hoary03:06
seb128what kind of problem ?03:07
emoxeranyone used xandros?03:07
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Tsjoklatseb128 it's because the complainer is sitting next to you03:07
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Tsjoklatseb128 he set me up!03:07
Tsjoklatoh sjoer you are so dusted toast03:08
Tsjoklatsjoerd too03:08
Tsjoklatseb128 when you get that t-shirt.. hand it to me and I will happily strangle sjoerd with it03:08
farruinnyou guys are at Mataro?03:08
crimsun(they are)03:08
seb128Tsjoklat, ok :)03:08
Tsjoklatseb128 no charge :)03:09
seb128hazmat, seriously hoary doesn't crash but it's a devel branch03:10
Tsjoklatseb128 do me a favor? kick him right now for me03:10
seb128hazmat, you can get some packages from here03:10
emoxeranyone know the sudo apt-get code for wine03:10
hazmathmm.. that would probably work for this03:10
hazmatseb128, thanks, i was curious about that03:10
crimsunemoxer: sudo apt-get install wine03:10
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seb128hazmat, but don't complain about stuff like the gnome-panel menus back to the upstream layout03:11
emoxerPackage wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.03:11
hazmatseb128, not going to upgrade atm, just going to grab thunderbird 0.96 from hoary03:11
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crimsunemoxer: make sure you have 'universe'03:12
crimsunin your sources03:12
seb128hazmat, ok03:12
emoxeri dont know what you're talking about03:12
crimsunemoxer: are you using warty?03:12
amathisemoxer: /etc/apt/sources.list03:12
amathismake sure universe is uncommented03:12
Tsjoklatemoxer make sure you got main restricted universe multiverse03:12
Tsjoklatemoxer and take your medication beforehand03:12
crimsunemoxer: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main universe03:12
emoxer:] 03:13
crimsunor enable it in Synaptic03:13
emoxerhow do i do that?03:13
crimsunopen Synaptic and add the universe source :-)03:14
crimsunthen refresh03:14
farruinnbtw, I finally got the pinning with apt, thanks to those that helped!03:14
crimsunapt-pinning rocks03:14
farruinnit certainly does!  I had always thought that it was some mysterious, arcane thing that I would never understand, but it's really not that complex03:15
crimsunnope, it really isn't.03:15
sebasIs ubuntu a good choice for a kde based notebook?03:15
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crimsunsebas: if you don't mind using kde 3.2, not a bad choice03:15
crimsunfarruinn: helps me keep my sid+experimental+hoary install semi-sane :P03:16
sebascrimsun: Hm, the 3.3 packages from unstable are not yet available?03:16
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crimsunsebas: only in hoary03:16
farruinncrimsun, lol, it may be sane but you must not be!03:16
zaofreekwill the ati binary drivers work with hoary?03:16
sebasI read in the faq that basically all packages from debian repo's are available, but I asked myself if it'd be a good idea mixing debian with ubuntu.03:16
crimsunfarruinn: Debian sid users typically aren't "sane" :P03:16
calci know i'm not ;)03:17
crimsunah, the kde defector!03:17
calcbut then i run ubuntu now ;)03:17
emoxerdamn crimsun im confused.03:17
emoxerthere's like a whole mess of deb directories in sources.list03:17
calci think kde was what drove me insane though not sid03:17
farruinncrimsun, I've forgotten, which is unstable, sid or sarge?  I used debian unstable for some time03:17
crimsuncalc: quite understandable03:17
crimsunyou've done admirably for quite some time03:17
sebasfarruinn: unstable is sid, sarge is testing yet03:18
crimsunemoxer: look for the line beginning with "deb ... universe"03:18
crimsunemoxer: uncomment that, then `sudo apt-get update'03:18
zaofreeki end up with no hardware acceleration, and my XFree86.0.log says "(II) fglrx(0): doing DRIScreenInit03:18
zaofreekdrmOpenDevice: minor is 003:18
zaofreekdrmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card003:18
emoxeri dont know what you mean by uncomment03:18
sebasIs there kde on the livecd btw?03:18
crimsunemoxer: make sure there's not a hash mark at the beginning of the line03:19
farruinnsebas, there is no kde on the livecd or the install cd03:19
farruinnif you want it you must apt-get it from the net03:19
sebasOk :)03:19
crimsunemoxer: yep03:19
emoxerit does.03:19
sebasThx guys for the quick answers!03:19
crimsunemoxer: remove that character :)03:19
sebasThat's been the things I asked myself about Ubuntu.03:20
zaofreekis xorg 6.8 installed when xorg-common is installed?03:20
farruinnsebas, one of Ubuntu's goals is to have a one-cd install, so that's partly why there's no kde03:20
emoxergreat, it only lets me "read-only"03:20
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emoxerthe sources.list03:20
crimsunzaofreek: xorg-common is among many X.Org packages, but yes, it will be03:20
zaofreekwell, i've read that the binary drivers will not work with xorg 6.8.003:20
crimsunemoxer: make sure you're editing it with sudo03:20
zaofreekbut i believe i still have xfree installed03:20
zaofreekxserver-xorg is not installed03:21
zaofreekemoxer: what program are you using?03:21
emoxeri was using gnome03:21
crimsunemoxer: you may find Synaptic more straightforward03:21
sebasfarruinn: I'm tinkering if I'd suggest a friend of mine Ubuntu or Sarge on his notebook, he's a first time user and I want to have him installed a straight forward and complete system.03:21
emoxeryeah, i think so too03:21
crimsunsebas: Ubuntu Warty.03:21
farruinnsebas, I would definitely go with warty03:21
farruinnit *just works*03:21
sebasSo I wondered if Ubuntu's a good choice, he's known to KDE and likes it, so I'd rather have him install kde 3.3 than gnome03:22
sebasWhat is warty?03:22
crimsunsebas: Warty is the stable release currently.03:22
sebasSorry for not having read the faq completely03:22
crimsunsebas: he can use KDE 3.203:22
sebasAre the KDE packages well maintained and are there upgrades often enough?03:23
crimsunsebas: there are no normal updates to Warty. That's why it's called "stable." (There are high-priority bugfixes and security updates.)03:23
sebasAh, ok.03:23
sebasAnd what name does the 'unstable' release have?03:24
crimsunthe development branch is called Hoary.03:24
sebasAh, makes sense then :)03:24
crimsunit currently has a mix of 3.3.1 and 3.3.203:24
sebasHm, nice.03:24
crimsungranted, you get the whole unstable flux with it03:24
sebasI'm compiling 3.3.2 right now (well, for the last 30hours...)03:24
farruinnsebas, if this person is a first time user I would definitely not put him through hoary03:24
crimsunwhen things break, you keep all the pieces03:24
farruinnsebas, are you on ppc?03:25
sebasNope, i386_3203:25
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sebasRunning Gentoo on this machine.03:25
zaofreekso having xorg-common installed does _not_ mean xorg is installed?03:25
crimsuncompiling kde? you _are_ a masochist. ;)03:25
farruinnaaaaah, ok.  the kde packages aren't compiled for ppc in warty03:26
sebasYeah, today I *really* realize that :|03:26
crimsunzaofreek: you really should check the output of `X -version'03:26
DeviantDogwe need some drivers for ati and xorg ati needs to get off their rear and provide...03:26
sebasThis machine is on full load for about one and a half days, source base distro's suck :P03:26
crimsunfor instance: X Window System Version 6.8.1 (Ubuntu 6.8.1-1ubuntu6 20041209123832 root@macaroni.warthogs.hbd.com)03:26
zaofreekxfree86 Version
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sebasOh, reminds me of which ... what about Xorg and Ubuntu?03:27
crimsunzaofreek: yep, that's still XFree86 :)03:27
crimsunsebas: only Hoary has X.Org03:27
zaofreekcrimsun: why the errors then?03:27
sebasIt's using Xfree86 atm, I suppose?03:27
sebasOw, cool!03:27
crimsunzaofreek: what errors?03:27
Quest-MasterWhen's the next Ubuntu release?03:27
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crimsunQuest-Master: October+6 mounts03:27
crimsunzaofreek: use a paste web site if necessary03:28
DeviantDoganyone know how is ubuntu warty at running of a SATA drive?03:28
nodaWhen I close the lid on my laptop (Radeon Mobility 9000 graphics card), the screen fades out and turns off... then it *turns back on* and shows a blinking cursor in the top-left corner. Anyone know how to make the screen stay off?03:28
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crimsundoesn't calc use ubuntu on SATA?03:28
zaofreekcrimsun: just a minute03:28
nodaI tried changing the position of the chvt line in /etc/acpi/lid.sh... but the screen simply won't stay off03:29
noda(is it because the graphics device is being unloaded? I see messages suggesting that in dmesg)03:30
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zaofreekit's a different error than i have ever gotten03:32
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crimsunzaofreek: note according to the log it can't access the 'fglrx' kernel module.03:33
crimsunzaofreek: make sure that's loaded.03:33
noda(you need to install linux-restricted-modules-blah to get the fglrx module)03:34
zaofreekah, i see03:34
zaofreeki had it working before i upgraded it03:34
crimsun(sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`)03:34
skuahi. anyone knows if ubuntu recognize automatically wifi cards like cisco aironet?03:34
ironwolfskua: yes and yes03:34
nodaskua: I know it automatically recognizes my Intel Pro Wireless 2100 :)03:34
skuaok thanks03:34
skuabecause i had problem with mine03:35
skuai tried other distros like knoppix and dsl and worked fine03:36
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zaofreek"Package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-386 has no installation candidate"03:38
exismIn Horary, i'm trying to install kdebase-dev and i'm getting the following error with a bunch of packages: Depends: kate (= 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2) but 4:3.3.0-1 is to be installed03:38
nodaThat's true, it doesn't :)03:38
exismany idea what i can do?03:38
nodaexism: Probably just wait a day03:38
exismmy second question would be if anyone has used the amarok package in hoary03:39
zaofreekthere is no linux-restricted-modules package for 2.6.9?03:40
nodazaofreek: There will be...03:40
zaofreekdowngrade then?03:40
exismapt has installed all the engines for amarok but when i open it it tells me that there is no engines installed03:41
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cgdefis there an easy way to edit the MIME database03:42
cgdefI am trying to add a *service* so when I click on an irc:// link it opens up the irc client03:43
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zaofreekif i remove 2.6.9, and 2.6.8 is still installed, i will still be able to boot, correct?03:45
DagaZhow do I get dcgui-qt to work in ubuntu?03:46
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zaofreeki'm worried about it because 1)it gives me a warning about not being able to boot, and 2)grub goes straight to boot without a boot menu03:46
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erichusing "readahead" actually doubled my boot time... ouch.03:47
zaofreekdo i just comment "hiddenmenu" in menu.lst?03:47
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zaofreekthanks all for the help03:52
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hubwhat is the policy for Mono ?03:53
hubis Beagle being packaged ?03:53
__learner__hey, do you know hot to put that cool images on the screen during boot? I have seen it on a site a log time ago, I think it was in slackware... Is there a way to do that. Something like  a splash  screen during boot. And a nice graphic Grub window.03:55
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Se7hcan someone tell me something?03:58
Se7his there on the rep. a mono-frontend?03:58
mjtas you asked... ;)03:59
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__learner__what mono has that makes it so great? There's Lot's of people talking about it.04:01
Se7h__learner__ mono-project.com04:02
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erich__learner__: apparently, C# is a nice language to write code in. With garbage collection and so. So if you wouldn't have to fear that M$ will dig up a dozen of patents next year to fight us and if it wouldn't run in a virutal machine it probably would be a nice language.04:03
__learner__won't microsoft create incompatibilities to make mono work bad/don't work at all?04:05
zenpodwhy can't someone just make a C# compiler?04:05
farruinnC.. #...  rhymes with trash...04:05
erich__learner__: i guess many mono users don't care about .NIET compatibility04:06
erichthey just like the language, and want to use gtk#04:06
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erichfarruinn: "C sharp" rhymes with trash? ;-)04:06
zenpodbring back BASIC!04:06
erichzenpod: BASIC is back, it's name is "Typo3" and it's a CMS system. But it has line numbers again.04:07
erichkind fo04:07
farruinneh, ( # == sharp | # == hash ), whatever04:07
erichkind of, that is04:07
erichfarruinn: sharp, as in music. ;-)04:07
__learner__why they don't care?04:07
Quest-MasterCan mono use Visual Basic .NET yet?04:07
farruinnerich, hey I know what it's supposed to be, I just couldn't help myself04:07
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erich__learner__: because they want to develop for linux, maybe?04:08
erichwell, i'm off, playing around with readahead again.04:08
Quest-MasterAnd how good is C# compared to Python? ;)04:08
farruinnwell, they're really not languages to be compared... but I like python!04:09
Quest-MasterI <3 Python04:09
__learner__I want to learn LUA. Have you ever heard of it?04:09
Quest-MasterIt's a good language.04:09
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Quest-MasterActually, it's a rockin' language.04:09
Quest-MasterIt's probably the best interpreted language available.04:09
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Quest-MasterYou can only use it to implement into your own applications though.04:10
Quest-MasterYou can't make your own stuff with it.04:10
__learner__I want the make a game, using an SDL/C++/Lua engine.04:10
Quest-MasterYou build the engine in C++/SDL, and use Lua to do the actual scripting of the game (conversations, events, etc.)04:11
Quest-MasterHow good are you with C++ and SDL?04:11
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__learner__I created a graphic engine using SDL (under windows, never tried it in linux). But soon I discovered I needed somehting more powerfull and faster than C++ to do levels and games.04:12
ami just installed ubuntu, but i never got the option to set a root password. Why is this04:12
zenpodam, ubuntu does not use root04:12
__learner__I made a demo. if you want I can guive it to you. But as I said, I never tried it under linux.04:13
farruinnubhuti, rootsudo04:13
ubhutiBy default root is disabled in Ubuntu.  Instead use sudo.  If you haven't already, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo.04:13
amok, thanks04:13
zenpodubhuti, fnord04:13
ubhutizenpod: I don't know, could you explain it?04:13
zenpodthat's about right04:13
zenpodubhuti, fnord is all around you.04:13
ubhutiokay, zenpod04:13
zenpodubhuti, fnord04:14
ubhutiI heard fnord is all around you.04:14
__learner__Fnord does not exist. If I belive on it. THEY will come ang get me...04:14
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Se7hso tell me04:19
Se7hcan u recomend me a good language compatible to both linux/win04:19
Se7hi meen04:19
mjtC !04:20
Se7hi want it to build a good gui for a project04:20
Se7hi never saw something like an app writen in java04:21
Se7hbuild on python..04:21
Se7hi need mostly a good one for a gui04:21
Quest-MasterTrust me. Python! GTK and Glade work wonders.04:21
mjtjava works too, btw, and there's ALOT of programs (large and small) written on it04:22
Se7hmjt i know04:22
mjtpython is a very good language to use, but it's sloooow.... ;)04:22
Quest-MasterNot at all.04:22
Se7hthats my point04:22
Se7hfor ie04:22
Se7hi don' want to loose time04:22
Quest-MasterAnyone who says Python is slow has close to no experience with it. ;)04:22
Quest-MasterSe7h: Python saves time.04:22
Se7hwriting something just to search files04:22
Quest-MasterPython > Java, btw.04:23
Quest-MasterThey both run at around the same speed.04:23
Quest-MasterAnd Java has so much useless crap loaded into it, it's better to learn C++.04:23
Quest-MasterPython is a very robust and clean language.04:23
Se7hif i want to build a gui with effect04:24
Quest-MasterFor people who want to get up and write apps. with little development time and quick results, you'll want Python.04:24
Se7hC++ will crap on me04:24
Quest-MasterUse Python, not C++. :P04:24
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Se7hwell, imagine winamp504:24
Se7hhow would u do it in python ?04:24
mjtfunny that, everything i've seen written in python is awfully slow, really.  Starting with mailman for example.04:25
Quest-MasterI've never even heard of Mailman.04:25
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mjtit's the Main App on Python04:25
Se7hmjt i've writen a script in python04:25
Quest-MasterPython apps. run depending on how well the person coded it.04:25
Se7hands its fast04:25
Quest-MasterThe same goes for many other languages.04:25
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Se7hmy "problem" is04:26
Quest-MasterPlus, I'd love to see Java using SDL and getting 200FPS.04:26
Se7hthe gui04:26
mjtmailman is written by authors of python04:26
Quest-MasterNo OpenGL, nothing. Just SDL and 200FPS.04:26
Quest-MasterSe7h: You can use Glade and GTK.04:26
Se7hnever heard of glade04:26
Quest-Mastersudo apt-get install glade204:27
mrothI'm interested in learning Gtk# and Mono, but I havent had time to look into that yet04:27
Quest-MasterOr glade-2, I believe04:27
mroththe gnome peeps seem to be pushing it though04:27
Quest-MasterC# looks interesting.04:27
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Se7hlike i said04:28
Se7hsomething good for a good gui04:28
Se7hjava or C#04:28
mrothis anyone running ubunutu on a apple powerbook?04:28
Quest-MasterI wouldn't use Java..04:28
Se7hnot me04:28
Quest-MasterExcept, Azureus.04:29
Quest-MasterBest Java application ever created. \m/04:29
Se7hso as u see04:29
farruinnmroth, is it a powerbook specific question or mac specific?04:29
Se7hjava can be very good04:29
mrothfarruinn: powerbook specific.  my colleague cant get wpa_supplicant to work with his airport card.04:29
farruinnoi, I'm no good :-/04:29
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mrothfirst time i havent been able to find anything at all about it on google, heh04:30
farruinnhave you asked on #debianppc?04:30
mrothI did, but everyone is just idling ;-)04:30
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farruinnyeah, they're helpful folks but it's a small channel04:31
Tsjoklathey britt_radiofree04:33
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britt_radiofreeTsjoklat, yo04:39
britt_radiofreewhat's goin down clown?04:39
Tsjoklatbritt_radiofree.. got all the probs solved?04:39
britt_radiofreeTsjoklat, which ones? :) my life's full of em04:39
Tsjoklatbritt_radiofree let's stick with ubu.. my office hours as head doctor are over04:40
britt_radiofreewell ... I'm still trying to find a workaround to gtkspell only supporting your global locale settings, but the solution will probably just be to wait for gtkspell3 to be released04:41
britt_radiofreepresently i'm trying to get mod_mono to work w/ apache204:41
Tsjoklatbritt_radiofree never doing anything the easy way huh? :P04:42
britt_radiofreewhere's the fun in that? :)04:42
Tsjoklatbritt_radiofree true true :)04:42
Se7him off guys04:42
Se7hdrinking time ;P04:42
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britt_radiofreeugh i'm jealous ... if I get all this crap done I might actually be able to make last call tonight04:44
zenpodhead doctor?04:44
zenpodI need one ;)04:45
moquistk, i'm lost here.  how am I supposed to burn a CD?  i'm running hoary.  i could just use cdrecord, but I want to do it the noob way...04:45
moquisti don't see anything in the menu that will burn a cd.  :-o04:45
farruinnin nautilus go to burn:///04:46
Tsjoklatmoquist right click on the file04:46
Se7hQuest-Master oh one more thing needed...is that is compatible with fmod04:46
moquistfarruinn: ah - that's why I keep getting the "Burn:///" is not a valid location./Please check the spelling and try again." error.  Nautilus is trying to do the right thing, but something's broken.04:47
moquistTsjoklat: I didn't find anything in the context menu, either.04:47
Tsjoklatmoquist are you on hoary?04:47
farruinnmoquist, the right-click thing only works for .iso's and such I think04:47
moquistTsjoklat: Open with "Archive Manager", "Open with Other Application", Cut, Copy, Make Link, Rename, Move to Trash, Properties.04:47
moquistISO in Hoary.04:47
TsjoklatI heard something about that being busted, not sure though04:48
moquistTsjoklat: I think it might be.  ;)04:48
moquistno problem.  i'll just use cdrecord.04:48
Tsjoklatmoquist or use gnomebaker04:48
moquistTsjoklat: appears not to be installed.04:49
Tsjoklatmoquist it is a sep prog not in ubu sorry should have told you that04:49
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Tsjoklatmoquist but it is very good and if you don't want to d/l kdelibs and such04:49
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moquistTsjoklat: oh, ok.  np.  i'm actually happier using cdrecord, myself.  I just want to know what Ubuntu offers to the newbies - but I'm running Hoary, so of course things will be b0rken once in a while.04:50
Gwildoranyone know if this card will work in ubuntu? (http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-tvtunercard.asp)04:50
Tsjoklatmoquist without a doubt.. just bite the sour apple eh04:51
moquistoh, fantastic.  cdrecord -scanbus errs out and tells me to run cdrecord -scanbus.  !!04:52
britt_radiofreeTsjoklat, is gnomebaker any good?04:55
Tsjoklatbritt_radiofree I think so... I like it04:56
britt_radiofreeTsjoklat, is it written in c?04:56
TsjoklatI wanted to avoid the kdelib drama04:56
farruinnGwildor, have you checked the supported hardware wiki?04:56
Gwildorfabbione, i shall go04:57
Tsjoklatand it has deb files04:57
britt_radiofreehrm i'll have to check it out04:57
Tsjoklatbritt_radiofree you wanted a challenge... :P04:58
britt_radiofreeTsjoklat, ugh I don't need any more, trust me :)04:58
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Tsjoklatbritt_radiofree and here I am thinking I just made your day :)04:58
moquisthmm.  "nautilus-cd-burner" wasn't installed.  I installed it, and now burn:/// works.  (At least, I can get to it.  I haven't burned anything yet.)04:58
Tsjoklatmoquist: duh? :P05:00
farruinnit would seem to me that ubuntu-desktop should depend on that05:01
moquistTsjoklat: i'm rather shocked that the necessary package wasn't already installed.  if I was new to linux, I would've had no idea what to do.  :(05:02
britt_radiofreeto do that you'd have to figure out the solution to: http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/mono-list/2004-September/023380.html05:02
Tsjoklatmoquist I had it installed though .. funky05:02
Gwildorfabbione, its not in there05:02
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moquistTsjoklat: furthermore, I'm still flummoxed.  I don't have a clue how this thing is supposed to work.  If I drag an ISO into the window, am I going to get a CD with an ISO image, or an ISO containing another ISO?  Also, I don't even see how to tell it to burn the disc.  I don't *think* I'm being dense, here...05:03
farruinnGwildor, lucky you =)05:03
Garoboldygreetings everyone.05:03
britt_radiofreemoquist, for .iso files, you can right click on the files and select the burn option05:03
farruinnGwildor, seriously I really don't know =(05:03
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moquistbritt_radiofree: but I *can't*.  I don't have that option.05:03
Gwildorbummer :(05:04
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britt_radiofreemoquist, that is not hoary specific ... you don't have the option after installing naut-cd-burn package?05:04
moquistbritt_radiofree: nope.  do I need to log out and log in again?05:04
britt_radiofreerestarting the session may help ... not sure though05:04
Tsjoklatmoquist there is another thing you have to get... libburn0? something?05:04
moquistbritt_radiofree: I closed all my nautilus windows and opened them again; I had figured that might be enough.05:05
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farruinnmoquist, nautilus is always running though, that's the only way you get a desktop05:05
farruinnunless you run nautilus --no-desktop05:05
farruinn(or something like that)05:05
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moquistfarruinn: i was wondering about that.05:06
moquisti'll try logging out.05:06
ineedhelpcan anyone help me instal guifications for gaim?05:06
Tsjoklatineedhelp with what?05:06
farruinnmoquist I found that out when trying to run nautilus from within xfce or something =)05:06
linux_galore??? @ gaim question05:06
ineedhelpit is giving me errors when i try to install05:07
linux_galoreineedhelp: as in missing packages05:07
ineedhelpim running the configure script again and ill show you the error05:07
RalphNaderso I'm compiling a new kernel with kpkg05:07
RalphNaderand I get a LOT of 'makes ponter from integer wihout a cast' warnings05:07
RalphNaderare these semi-normal or have I borked something?05:08
Garoboldyok, I am booting ubuntu and I specify expert nodma hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false05:08
Quest-MasterHas anyone had the problem where a program just opens, and when you get it to do anything, it just crashes?05:08
linux_galoreineedhelp: yeah gaim needs a small pile of .dev libs05:08
Garoboldywhen I get past detect and mount cd-rom I get this kernel modules needed05:08
TsjoklatQuest-Master comes with hoary yes05:08
Quest-MasterI'm in Warty :\05:08
Garoboldyide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy05:08
moquistfarruinn, Tsjoklat, britt_radiofree: yup.  killed that vncsession and started another one, and now I have the "write to disc" option.  Thx.05:09
farruinnoooh, n/m that05:09
Tsjoklatmoquist happy happy joy joy and all that rot05:09
ineedhelpconfigure: error: Library requirements (gaim) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.05:09
RalphNaderI just did a dist upgrade to hoary05:09
Garoboldyand now its just sitting there doing nothing05:09
Quest-MasterAs I have said before.. someone needs to port k3b05:09
RalphNadershould I even try to boot from this kernel?05:09
Garoboldyi cant get any farther than that05:09
Quest-MasterTo Gnome, of course05:09
linux_galoreineedhelp: gaim wont compile on any standard install yet that Ive used without first having to install a small pile of dev libs  ie libgtkspell-dev05:09
ineedhelpwhere can i get that at?05:10
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farruinnineedhelp, try #gaim05:10
linux_galoreineedhelp: use synaptic05:10
ineedhelpnobody there was able to help me05:10
linux_galoreineedhelp: look at the libs its complaining about each on of those need to be installed05:10
ineedhelpok thanks05:11
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RalphNaderGaroboldy, what kind of system, which ubuntu?05:11
linux_galoreineedhelp: you may have the standard lib already installed or not but remember you also need the dev package for the lib too05:11
Garoboldyits a 233mmx 64RAM05:12
Garoboldyolder laptop05:12
linux_galore64mb is a bit small05:12
Garoboldyyeah I know lol05:12
linux_galoreidealy you need 128-25605:12
Klowner_ubuntu is hella slow on my 233mhz Pentium MMX lappy with 96mb ram05:12
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Garoboldywent to two stores here locally to get some memory and none and edo memory LOL05:13
linux_galorewell debian base with lets say xfce4 or black box to be honest would be better05:13
RalphNaderedo's pretty outdated05:13
Tsjoklathey klowner05:13
RalphNaderalmost impossible to find05:13
GaroboldyGwildor is getting this laptop from me anyway, so we are just playin around with it right now05:13
Klowner_hiya Tsjoklat05:14
linux_galoreforks gnome and creates Gnome-lite05:14
Garoboldyso I should go with just debian straight off and use xfce405:14
linux_galoreGaroboldy: yes05:15
Garoboldyalright thanks gusy05:15
Klowner_Garoboldy: that's what I would suggest, or fluxbox.. somethin lighter than gentoo05:15
Klowner_err, gnome05:15
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Garoboldyok great05:15
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TsjoklatI could only get flux to work on gentoo05:15
Tsjoklatso hard to set up in ubu05:15
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Klowner_no no, I like ubuntu05:16
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linux_galoreGentoo - if its a file compile it05:17
linux_galoreheh heh05:17
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RalphNaderso does anyone know the answer to my questino from earlier?05:17
Tsjoklatlinux_galore I actually like gentoo.. but the d/l/compile/them going commercial made me run back to deb05:17
RalphNaderare the 'makes pointer from integer without a cast" warnings normal when compiling a kernel? this is my first time05:18
linux_galoreRalphNader: warning are normal05:18
RalphNadergood news05:18
RalphNaderI'm afraid to try and boot from it with these warnings05:18
RalphNaderand there are a whole bunch05:18
RalphNaderbut all that same warning05:18
Quest-MasterGentoo is commercial?05:19
TsjoklatRalphNader just get a coffee :)05:19
linux_galoreRalphNader: well it it bombs then just hit reset and boot with the old kernel05:19
TsjoklatQuest-Master yeah where have you been05:19
RalphNaderI'm actually watchign a movie05:19
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RalphNaderand doing this while it compiles05:19
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RalphNaderthe ubuntu site mentioned something about a 20 min compile05:19
RalphNaderlol, I'm on a p4 and it's been much longer05:19
Quest-MasterTsjoklat: I'm not up to date with them at all.. I haven't been to the site/IRC channel in months now05:20
linux_galoreRalphNader: depends what your on05:20
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linux_galoreRalphNader: 20min on a P4 sounds a bit slow05:20
Quest-MasterI would hate to compile a kernel05:20
Klownercompiling kernels isnt bad05:21
TsjoklatQuest-Master apparently they had a main developer that poured all his savings into getting gentoo commercialized go bankrupt and spill the beans05:21
Tsjoklatgoogle it05:21
RalphNaderwell I'm almost convinced it's looping05:21
RalphNaderI keep seeing the same kind of modules go by05:21
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linux_galoreyeah I read that...he started the Gentoo Embedded fork and they were all....ooh yes you can be part of the team etc etc...give use you money etc etc..all turned out to be total BS took the code and the money and said thanks now go away05:22
Klownercompiling X is far more frustrating than a kernel, as far as patience goes05:22
RalphNaderhaven't been down that path just yet05:22
Tsjoklatlinux_galore they have postponed it.. to make the waves go down but yeah they are still going commercial05:23
linux_galoreTsjoklat: suprised the original developer doesnt just take "HIS" code and fork it05:23
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Klownerwhat would they accomplish by becoming "commercial"05:24
Tsjoklatget rich?05:24
Tsjoklathey billytwowilly05:24
Blitzkrieg-Billyfirst make a commercial release, then...., next profit05:25
linux_galorewell the original guys working on the gentoo embedded side said the gentoo guys were not very professional and dont keep promises and lie not only to the developers but to the user base05:25
TsjoklatBlitzkrieg they get you hooked first :P05:25
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KlownerI'll switch to ubuntu or debian then, gentoo isn't that freakin great05:26
linux_galoreproblem with the Gentoo comercial embedded distro is "they dont own the code" the original coder can force them to totally open source the whole lot05:26
Blitzkrieg-BillyI tried gentoo but if I want to compile things I will become a programmer05:26
Klownerright, they don't even package the sources05:27
linux_galoreI compile stuff but its only when I need to do it05:27
Klownerit'd be stupid05:27
Tsjoklatso much for open source05:27
linux_galoreI think wind river will bury Gentoo Embedded05:28
Blitzkrieg-BillyI have had very bad luck with compiling stuff myself, since I don't have a programming background I try to avoid it05:28
billytwowillyTsjoklat, how's it going?05:28
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linux_galoreI personally dont find compiling stuff hard but then again Im a script junkie05:29
Tsjoklatbinny going good.. got everything up and running?05:29
Klownerlinux_galore: I've found it helps a lot to understand what tools do05:30
Blitzkrieg-Billywell I gotta say I really enjoy the apt-get verses the rpm..etc and it has made my transition that much easier05:30
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KlownerBlitzkrieg-Billy: heck yeah, I haaaaate rpms05:31
Tsjoklatrpms hell05:31
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billytwowillyTsjoklat, kinda. I still haven't upgraded to 2.6.9  because I want to wait for the restricted modules to be updated.05:31
Blitzkrieg-Billymy two biggest hurdles with getting into linux was always 1. hardware/drives and 2. software installation05:32
Tsjoklatbillytwowilly didn't they do that today?05:32
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billytwowillyTsjoklat, I'll have to check. I've been extremely hung over all day and haven't done anything;)05:32
TsjoklatI had an email today saying they did05:32
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TsjoklatAccepted linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9 2.6.9-4 (source)05:33
TsjoklatDate: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:15:04 +0000 (GMT)  (08:15 PST)05:33
Tsjoklatbillytwowilly that?05:33
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linux_galorehmm trying to get cups to work with this HP laserjet6L wont print the test page05:33
billytwowillythat's probably what I need. I'm going to upgrade.05:33
linux_galoreeven downloaded the ppd driver and cups is now even more spastic05:33
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jmayaDo you guys recomend Ubuntu as a server OS?05:34
linux_galorenot me05:34
Tsjoklatjmaya as in?05:34
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linux_galoretheres an idea a server version of Ubuntu05:35
Blitzkrieg-BillyI dont know...I think I would go debian for server and ubunter as workstation/desktop but I have very little experience with both05:35
linux_galoreI use Debian stable on my email server..works fine05:35
Blitzkrieg-Billyer ubuntu....damn spelling05:35
jmayaDebian (stable) is not recognizing my NIC.05:35
Tsjoklatjmaya woody or sarge?05:36
Klowner(stable) would be woody05:36
Tsjoklatjmaya get the sarge network install05:36
jmayayup it is a pain.05:36
Tsjoklatsome think sarge is stable lol05:36
Tsjoklatjust making sure05:36
linux_galoresarge has a nice install though05:36
linux_galorebut Im happy with woody05:36
Tsjoklatjmaya I had to throw in a dif card to get it up and then put my normal card in05:36
Tsjoklatsolved it by d/l a sarge cd05:36
jmayaI dont know how to get sarge on a cd.  Since I need woody to get sarge any idea?05:37
Tsjoklatit will do dhcp but that's easily fixed05:37
jmayanaaa the e100 driver does not come with woody05:37
Tsjoklatjust look for debian sarge network install on google05:37
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jmayainteresting thankz I think I will try that.  Right now i am doing nat with a knoppix cd my hd died on me.05:37
Earthencan anyone here tell me where i can find a walk-through for setting up roaming profiles05:37
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Tsjoklatyou do Klowner?05:37
jmayacool.  I will try to do a network install the only problem is I have cable and I need to change the mac some how like ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00000000005:38
linux_galoreI thing sarge will be nice when its released in 201005:38
linux_galoreheh heh05:38
Klownerlinux_galore: you mean when it becomes 'stable' ? :)05:38
Tsjoklatwhenever that may be05:39
TsjoklatI like sid above anything05:39
Klownerit's stable enough for me05:39
Tsjoklatsarge is like their stephchild05:39
linux_galorewell when its "stable" is technically the release date for Debian05:39
linux_galorestrange though Sarge is actually a bit behind the likes of SuSE and Mandrake by about 6 months now and is considered not stable05:40
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Blitzkrieg-Billyhow so?05:40
regeyahm, is sarge the Testing release?05:41
linux_galorewell on Mandrake 10.1 Im already using kde 3.3.2 but Sarge last I looked is still 3.2.x05:41
regeyaif so, I wouldn't expect it to be stable.05:41
regeyathough this being debian it's a little shocking05:41
Blitzkrieg-Billydoes it really perform that much better?05:41
linux_galore<-- has more than one machine and one distro05:41
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linux_galorewell KDE 3.3.2 to be honest Im finding is more stable than kde 3.2.x by a mile lol05:42
Blitzkrieg-Billypersonally I am lazy and if it works decently on that perticular system I leave it05:42
Blitzkrieg-Billyok if its a stability thing then I understand05:43
linux_galorekde 3.3 is way faster especially if your opening files and using the browser05:43
Blitzkrieg-Billybut when I tried to run mandrake it was so bogged down and slow, now I have ubuntu on the same system and it works a lot better05:43
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linux_galoreKicker in kde 3.2.x I found horribly unstable05:43
Blitzkrieg-Billywell then that makes sense05:44
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Tsjoklatkde apps actually work in 3.305:44
Tsjoklatthat blew me away05:44
linux_galoreyeah they seem to have done something right in 3.3.....hasnt been so stable since 2.2 for me05:45
Tsjoklatit is still bloat galore though05:45
Tsjoklatbut man, it's so nice to skin :)05:45
regeyaand the kde team is threatening to attack the usability problem...hm.05:45
linux_galoreTsjoklat: bloat should be cut down when they swap to QT 4.005:45
regeyaI've heard crazy rumors that arts might get ripped out in favor of makign apps gstreamer-aware...amarok already is05:46
Blitzkrieg-BillyI could understand running it on a better system but on my 500mhz/192 ram system it wasn't working05:46
Tsjoklatlinux_galore yeah I'll try it out on my lt.. but I wish there was a better way of having ubu/kde05:46
linux_galorewell with Xorg thw whole logic of arts goes out the door05:46
Tsjoklatfor my kde testing I still have to have sid.. with ubu it was a mega disaster05:46
linux_galoresome days Im using gnome other kde and some times Im stuck with xfce or BB because Im a tight ass and wont buy a new laptop05:47
Tsjoklatxfce was something I will never try again05:49
linux_galoreoooh look a cannon advert......man I so want to shoot the balloon dog with a BB gun05:49
linux_galoreheh heh05:50
|QuaD|alo Tsjoklat whoats up?05:50
linux_galorelol I used xwm for 1 year05:50
billytwowillyhow do I figure out apt's reasoning for holding back the restricted packages when new ones are available.05:50
magnetowhat about openb linux_galore05:51
Tsjoklathey |QuaD :) how are you doing?05:51
|QuaD|billytwowilly: is the repo's in your apt-get file?05:51
linux_galoremagneto: never tried it05:51
|QuaD|Tsjoklat: not bad, considering loading up qemu and testing out kde on ubuntu05:51
Tsjoklatbillytwowilly it is usually because there have to be other packages installed05:51
billytwowilly|QuaD|, yah it is.05:51
Tsjoklat|QuaD not giving up huh05:51
billytwowillyTsjoklat, how do I get it to tell me though?05:51
magnetolinux_galore: its light as light gets the menuing is sweet too05:52
linux_galoregive me a desktop with X running and a terminal windows and Im right at home05:52
|QuaD|Tsjoklat: heh... i will never actually use it on ubuntu, just want to play05:52
magnetoi think its the best *box05:52
Tsjoklatbillytwowilly do it through a console05:52
linux_galorethe rest is just cruft to me05:52
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linux_galoreIve noticed there are a few cut down versions of blackbox....Im like ...whats to cut down05:53
magnetotry it man its not even 30mb05:53
linux_galoremagneto: BB for me uses about 14mb05:54
Tsjoklatbillytwowilly close synaptic, open a console type sudo apt-get upgrade and it will tell you what will be held back05:54
|QuaD|billytwowilly: warty or hoary?05:55
billytwowillyTsjoklat, I know what will be held back.05:55
|QuaD|billytwowilly: did you do dist-upgrade or just upgrade05:55
|QuaD|did you do it throuhg apt-get or synaptic05:55
magnetolinux_galore: but BB is ugh - id have to check OB's real size it might be the same963kb05:56
magneto209kb pkg05:56
magnetoand 963kb installed05:56
billytwowillyapt-get and synaptic05:56
billytwowillyI want to know why it's holding back the two packages05:56
magnetolinux_galore: the windowing themes are cleaner  imo05:57
|QuaD|billytwowilly: do an apt-get upgrade and what is held back05:57
billytwowillyI figured it out.05:57
billytwowillylinux-restricted-modules-2.6.8-1686 is not installable05:57
magnetolinux_galore: fetched 209kbs in 1 second - installed in 10 seconds lol that aint kde05:57
linux_galoremagneto: lol05:58
Quest-MasterAnyone here use Anjuta?05:58
|QuaD|Quest-Master: i have it dled :)05:59
Quest-MasterI can't find where I can add the -lsdl option for it to link SDL too05:59
|QuaD|Quest-Master: no idea, have been doing c# developing lately (and asp.net) so i haven't used it05:59
Quest-MasterHow do you like C#?06:00
Klownersdl-config works best for linking sdl in most cases06:00
Quest-MasterCan't find where to put it though06:00
|QuaD|whats linking sdl?06:00
Quest-MasterI need to link SDL with either sdl-config or -lsdl.. I can't find where to put them in Anjuta though06:01
|QuaD|sdl = software development library?06:01
Quest-MasterSimple DirectMedia Layer06:02
|QuaD|oh, i don't know hat that is06:02
slshi guys: I have some trouble with gnome terminal06:02
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slsi have my prompt set to:"PS1='\033\] \t\n\033\] \u@\033\] \h:\033\] \w\033\] \[ \] \n\$ '"06:03
|QuaD|sls: whats that06:04
slsit sets you prompt from .bashrc06:04
|QuaD|thats a big directory06:04
slsbasically it works; it sets the present working directory aboce the line oyu type on06:05
slsthe font however lok goofy06:06
Klowner|QuaD|: it's not a directory06:06
slsinstead of spaces I get squares06:06
linux_galoresls: select a different font then06:06
|QuaD|Klowner: after looking at mine i am realizeing that06:06
slstried that... what would you sugest?06:07
slslooks ok in xterm06:07
Klowner|QuaD|: echo $PS1 in an xterm should spit yours out for easy review06:07
slsnot in gnome console06:07
linux_galoresls: try something like Times I usually use sans06:07
linux_galoresls: courier isnt too bad either06:07
slsok hang on...06:07
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slscourier works...06:09
slsonly 10 pitch is available though... seems there are not so many fonts there in ubuntu06:10
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slscan I install windows fonts like in redhat (by making a .fonts folder and droping them in ther)06:11
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linux_galoreaaah better06:11
slslinux_galore: what'd you doo?06:11
Klownersls: apt-cache search ttf-06:12
Klownershows a nice variety, if you have debian world packages enabled06:12
linux_galoreI usually have a fonts CD with about 500 fonts on it ie arial courier time times-new-roman   etc06:12
slsall installed..06:14
linux_galoreCorel used to hace a bucket load of nice fonts on their Paint CD.....06:14
slslinux_galore: how do you install them? just put them in a .fonts folder...06:14
linux_galoresls: no I usually use a font installer...06:15
slswhat's it called?06:15
linux_galoredoes Nautilus I wonder have a fonts installer like konqueror06:17
linux_galoresls: well Im using the kde desktop right now and I usually just type fonts://   and then I can drop fonts into my system from a file with a simple cut and past from one window to the other06:18
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slshow do you install fonts in gnome?06:23
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linux_galoresorry type  fonts:/  in konqueror.....not sure with gnome06:23
oaksame with nautilus06:24
linux_galoreyeah just types  fonts:/// with nautilus and its the same06:25
slsno dragie fonts to that folder in gnome... it is locked06:25
linux_galoresls: seed to open it as root06:25
linux_galoreohmm no root in this06:25
linux_galoretheres a catch how do you get ubuntu to install fonts in a restricted directory with nautilus if there is no root user06:26
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linux_galoresls: try  sudo  nautilus06:27
regeyaanother point:  if you take the system to runlevel 1, you're prompted for the ROOT PASSWORD.06:27
slsgot it..06:27
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linux_galoresls: then type fonts:///06:27
linux_galoresls: then it should be just a drag and drop affair06:27
slstried that ... it still will not let me do it...06:28
linux_galorefont viewer in Nautilus is nicer than konqueror06:28
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bizzieCan anyone help with a Linux installation problem on a PowerPC?  I am very new to Linux.06:29
slscan i install fonts in the user space06:29
farruinnbizzie, ask away06:29
GotD0tbizzie: whats your major malfunction06:29
moquistbizzie: or even any minor ones06:30
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linux_galorehmm  sudo -s  xterm   is that the one to have a terminal with su defaults06:30
linux_galoreI keep forgetting06:30
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GotD0twhy dont you just do sudo -su i believe gives the current term root privies06:31
GotD0terr, sorry, sudo -s06:31
linux_galoresls: try  sudo -su xterm   then run nautilus see what happens06:31
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linux_galorehmm so I was right lol06:32
linux_galoresls: sorry sudo  -s xterm06:32
GotD0tlinux_galore: you cant do that06:32
linux_galoreGotD0t: wont allow it06:32
GotD0tlinux_galore: no it wont, you cant run nautilus as root either... wtf do you need that for anyways?06:33
linux_galorehow do I pass unrestricted su privileges to nautilus06:33
linux_galoreGotD0t: easy font installer06:33
bizzieAlright.  I booted from the installation CD.  I have cleared off my firewire disk, so I can create a 10 gig partition for Linux.  I get through the majority of the first part of the installation, then the yaboot utility fails to be loaded at 60%.  If I continue the installation process, everything else finishes fine.  I then need to restart to do step 2, but Linux does not auto reboot, OS X does.  If I hold down the option button, the firew06:33
bizzieHopefully that will make sense.06:33
GotD0tlinux_galore: just use the CLI... its 100 times more powerful than nautilus06:33
slslinux_galore: can i apt-get that?06:34
linux_galoreGotD0t: this is for normal people06:34
eruinmore power doesnt equal better usability :P06:34
linux_galoreGotD0t: Im trying to figure out an easy way to install comercial fonts06:34
GotD0tlinux_galore: bah... teach them the use of cp06:34
GotD0tlinux_galore: make a script06:34
slsno problem but where do i copy Windows fonts to?06:35
slsI have lots...06:35
GotD0tsls: download the mscorefonts or w/e form the repos06:35
linux_galoreGotD0t: why Konqueror and Nautilus both have a font installer.......just highlight the fonts you want to install "copy" then open Konqueror or Nautilus and type  fonts:/  then past06:35
linux_galoresls: you cant just copy fonts in they need to be setup too06:36
slsUbuntu will not let me do that...06:36
eruinthe fonts in the mscorefonts arent as good as the fonts from xp06:36
farruinnbizzie, what model computer are you using?06:36
slsLinux_galore: in RedHat, all you had to do was copy them to .fonts in your home folder.06:37
linux_galoreeruin: I got the fonts of Windows XP and Office XP...you can also easly grab a copy of the web of the fonts06:37
regeyahave the folks at MS changed the corefonts since they've pulled it?  Dang.06:37
bizzieImac G406:37
GotD0tlinux_galore: like i said, make a script that installs it06:37
regeyaeruin makes a stupid claim and then runs.06:37
linux_galoreGotD0t: yeah but thats fine but not every mum and dad user is going to write a script06:37
GotD0tlinux_galore: write a script for them ;-)06:38
linux_galoreGotD0t: and why should they .nautilus and konqueror both have a fonts installer06:38
slsLinux_galore has a poing -- now how do we get theminstalled?06:38
farruinnbizzie, when you hold down option does it automatically boot the firewire drive or does it give you a choice?06:38
slsGotD0t: whenI do what you describe nothing happens.06:39
GotD0tsls: i didn't tell you do to anything...06:39
linux_galoresls: there is a nasty cli method thats fiddly or you can write a script........I just drop then on konqueror end of problem06:39
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bizzieWell, if I have valid system installations on both my firewire drive and my main disk, I have a choice.  But, when holding option now, the only choice I have is my main disk w/ OS 10.06:39
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farruinnbizzie, but I thought you said holding option got you into linux?06:40
linux_galoreIm surprised Ubuntu hasnt got a fonts installer option in the menu06:40
bizzieNo.  I am not able to boot into Linux.06:40
regeyanot even when holding down Option during startup?06:41
slsok ill apt-get kde then...06:41
bizzieNope.  When I finished installation part 1 and the system rebooted, I was not able to startup in Linux to do installation part 2.06:42
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slsok it actually worked but it took a while...06:43
slsok I have to init 3 and ther 5 again...06:44
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regeyaI wish someone, anyone, would take an intense interest in gnustep. ;-D06:48
farruinnaw, I was just about to send bizzie a link06:50
regeyamaybe if ms decides to smack the mono project with a takedown notice/suit, people will take an interest in gnustep instead of flocking to kde.  I used to be a kde zealot, and maybe I'm wrong for wanting to see a project that implements cocoa (yeah, I know the lineage sorta) but hey, gnustep is damn slick.06:52
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khadyoungSo if 276 people are in a channel and no one talks, does it make a sound?07:31
|QuaD|no reason to talk if no one else is07:31
khadyoungHey, there actually is another human being here!07:31
|QuaD|maybe others are here too :)07:32
khadyoungI just thought I'd stop by and see what the conversation was like in here.07:32
|QuaD|ask your question and find out07:32
khadyoungI waited and waited and thought maybe I did something wrong since no one was talking.07:32
|QuaD|i am really upset07:32
|QuaD|(you waited 2 minutes)07:32
khadyoungAt my family gatherings it is a miracle to go 2 minutes with no talking. I figured 200+ people could not possibly do it.07:33
khadyoungWhy are you upset?07:33
|QuaD|oh, godaddy raised their prices07:34
khadyoungWhat is godaddy?07:34
|QuaD|i payed 4.95 for my domain, now i need to pay 8.95 to renew it07:34
khadyoungIt is not much difference, but if you want to switch out of principle, I am happy with $8.88 at namecheap.com07:35
|QuaD|i am not switching, cuz i plan to get a .info for 1.9507:36
|QuaD|namecheap doesn't do those07:36
khadyoungWhy are so many people here and not talking? Is IRC normally like this?07:37
ctdthere's someone doing free .info's, aren't they?07:37
|QuaD|this is a support channel07:37
|QuaD|ctd: who????07:38
hazmatits a weekend time/night07:38
|QuaD|do oyu need advertisements???07:38
ctd|QuaD|: Don't know.. remember seeing it though07:38
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|QuaD|what program do you use to develop your webpages?07:38
|QuaD|other than that07:39
|QuaD|i am lazy and want to put together a webpage07:39
|QuaD|gimp=picture editor07:39
ctdExactly.. pictures for the website.07:39
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|QuaD|magneto: thats what i am about to try07:40
khadyoungDo you not like coding by hand?07:40
|QuaD|khadyoung: i normally do... but i want to create something quick07:40
magnetogedit is nice too07:40
|QuaD|i normally use vim and php07:40
ctd|QuaD|: <html><head><title></title></head><body>content here</body></html>07:41
ctd|QuaD|: There, quick template. :-)07:41
|QuaD|khadyoung: thats what i was planning to try, too lazy to dl the package07:41
|QuaD|ctd: lol07:41
khadyoungctd: very  nice!07:41
|QuaD|maybe openoffice writer it is07:42
magnetoarm to the leg leg arm to the head07:42
magnetoyuk slovenoffice07:43
khadyoungDoes not Mozilla come with a simple HTML editor?07:43
magnetomozilla composer07:43
magnetowell hell if they could call solaris x86 pre10 slowaris07:44
khadyoungI do not see a separate package in the repositories for composer, but I suppose you can easily "apt-get install mozilla-browser"?07:44
magnetosome packages include it- not sure in ubuntu07:45
|QuaD|why is there no nVU07:45
magnetoyeah its inthere07:45
magnetoi added it before and i have it07:45
|QuaD|none in the repos07:45
khadyoungI was just reading: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3307060179/howto_view07:46
|QuaD|magneto: how is nvu07:46
|QuaD|is it decent07:46
magnetoquad sorry i meant moz composer07:46
magnetotry apt-get.org quad im sure there is a deb pkg07:46
ctdnvu is silly07:47
khadyoungWell, I hate to leave so soon but my wife calls me to bed!07:47
magnetotry moz composer its cheesey/easy07:47
|QuaD|magneto: there is a package.... but i would prefer an ubuntu one07:47
|QuaD|khadyoung: hehe07:47
ctdNvu is very much moz composer at the moment.07:47
|QuaD|magneto: i am looking for a dreamweaver replacement07:47
magnetou try multiverse and restricted ?07:47
|QuaD|yeah, not in the repos07:48
|QuaD|i'm on hoary now07:48
ctd|QuaD|: mozilla-composer07:48
magnetoctd: mozcom aint bad07:48
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|QuaD|no independent mozilla composer package07:49
magnetoquad u might as well get it elsewhere u dont have real support anyway- u search the forums?  u could compile it yourself too07:49
ctdreally, in universe?07:49
magnetoit s in mozilla-browser07:49
magnetoits not separate07:50
|QuaD|magneto: i can wait... don't care THAT much about creating a site07:50
|QuaD|magneto: yeah :(07:50
|QuaD|i was bored so decided i would create a site07:50
|QuaD|i have a 100% ubuntu system now07:51
|QuaD|no other sources07:51
magnetoif that makes u happy kool :)07:51
magnetoi just want what works and does what i want and doesnt look like manrape or dedrat07:52
|QuaD|i learned linux on mandrake and it was great07:52
magnetoor take 30 years to compile07:52
|QuaD|too restricted for me now07:52
magnetoi started with mandrake in 9807:52
|QuaD|but i don't disrespect mandrake07:52
carthikHome_|QuaD|, try wordpress if you want a blog, it's in universe07:52
|QuaD|i liked it better then redhat07:52
carthikHome_a pretty old version, though07:53
|QuaD|carthikHome_: woodpress... hmm07:53
magnetoi call it manrape but i respect it- i respect redhat but not feedora07:53
|QuaD|i don't like redhat/fedora07:53
|QuaD|i would rather people learn on mandrake07:53
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|QuaD|or something like xandros07:53
magnetoi started with mandy in 98 but i learned with slackware07:53
|QuaD|i started mandrake in probably 99 or something around then07:54
|QuaD|then went to debian07:54
carthikHome_..and I deleted the NTldr today, so can't login to windows, but still have all the files :P07:54
|QuaD|heh... why do you need windows?07:54
carthikHome_I don't, ergo, I haven't tried to fix the accidental delete :)07:55
magnetocarthik: repair mode07:55
|QuaD|linux is finally where i can convince people to use it... i can explain to them that windows has almost nothing over linux07:56
|QuaD|everything for windows is avail for linux07:56
carthikHome_magneto, I'll let it hand, for a month or two, see if I have any terrible problems, etc...07:56
carthikHome_i meant hang, of course...07:56
carthikHome_|QuaD|, there are some pages in my univ site which require only IE :(07:57
carthikHome_I know, it's a retarded university.07:57
|QuaD|really? why07:57
|QuaD|what uni?07:57
magnetoi got serious with slack and debian on my laptop back in 2001 thats when I learned alot figuring out apm and x with unsupported hardware07:57
carthikHome_we use webct, some painful online learning tool/class management software, and it doesn;t work reliably with any other browser... and of course, it is closed-source07:58
carthikHome_university of central florida07:58
|QuaD|carthikHome_: we used to use webct, actually some profs still do, it worked for me07:58
magnetoand i did so much to get debian working and then i got in and it sucked lol - so i used slack for a few years along with others like redhat  then gentoo for a year now ubuntu07:58
|QuaD|ubuntu is great07:58
|QuaD|it has all the great things about debian07:59
|QuaD|with little config07:59
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carthikHome_|QuaD|, I am an instructor, so some functions, like exporting grades, and managing pages don't work.07:59
neighborleeubuntu rocks07:59
Tsjoklat|QuaD don't like.. you use Xandros07:59
Tsjoklat|QuaD like: lie I mean07:59
magnetoquad: u upgrade today? u see the speed?07:59
|QuaD|carthikHome_: ohh07:59
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|QuaD|Tsjoklat: you got me :)07:59
|QuaD|magneto: nope07:59
magnetoi dont use the ubu kernel so i didnt either08:00
magnetoa lil in apps08:00
jonathan_so whats goin on guys08:00
magnetoevolution was 2 seconds08:00
|QuaD|the one complaint i have, i shouldn't have it cuz i use hoary, but they should make a repo for warty that gives people updated copies of the 3 packages everyone uses (gaim, ff, ooo)08:00
|QuaD|like unfreeze those 308:00
magnetobut my bootup is always 60 seconds08:00
|QuaD|i timed my bootup08:00
|QuaD|i use hoary kernel08:00
|QuaD|68 seconds08:01
neighborleeyeah id not mind a slightly faster boot08:01
magnetoi dont use modules08:01
neighborleeyeah default ubuntu loads a ton of stuff08:01
magnetoplus that ubu kern is fat as heck08:01
magnetotoo much for me08:01
neighborleeyeah its nice and fast08:01
|QuaD|i can not complain with a 68 second boot time (to the xserver)08:02
jonathan_so what does everyone think of unbuntu. i just installed it like 30 min ago08:02
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|QuaD|jonathaN: it rocks08:02
neighborlee|QuaD|, yeah true08:02
|QuaD|does anyone agree with me about my thing for the extra repO?08:02
neighborleejonathaN, it rocks jonathan!!!08:02
neighborleejonathaN, welcome aboard ;-)))08:02
magnetosame here quad 60 to login  -  ubuntu is the best os08:02
neighborleeI love their philosophy..I hope they can maintain it08:03
Tsjoklatubu is the best of debian without the bad08:03
|QuaD|Tsjoklat: exactly08:03
TsjoklatI found my OS08:03
neighborleemuch easier setup with all the benefits ;-)08:03
neighborleeTsjoklat, yeah many of us feel same way ;-)08:03
|QuaD|i think ubuntu is here to stay for a while08:04
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neoxedany one know any linux media players that will plat .bin08:04
Tsjoklat|QuaD I hope so.. it sounds silly to say you get upset but yeah I would be if ubu left the scene08:04
neoxedplat = play.08:04
neighborleehmm .bin ?08:04
neighborleenever hoid of that format ;-)08:04
neighborleeI wonder if its one of the formats in mikmod package08:05
neighborleeor whichever one thats called that has several formats it supports...08:05
|QuaD|Tsjoklat: definitely, it is simple to setup and maintain, i have 2 complaints about it, thats it (but i forgot one of them at the moment, and you knwo my other :) )08:05
neoxed.bin is prity much a image file08:06
neighborleehmm ic08:06
neoxedcan be coverted to mpg or iso08:06
magnetothen mount the iso  or burn it08:07
neoxednaw i need a player that plays .bin08:07
|QuaD|doesn't mplayer?08:07
|QuaD|or xine?08:07
|QuaD|i am pretty sure ONE of those two do forgot which08:07
neoxedi dunno havent tryed them08:07
neoxedi just installed linux last night08:07
Tsjoklat|QuaD talking of which.. going to try one more time with a custom install see what I can come up with08:07
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|QuaD|neoxed: letme check totem xine for you08:08
Tsjoklatwb defunkt08:08
|QuaD|Tsjoklat: i forget, are their custom options?08:08
neoxedokia thanks08:08
defunktthank you :)08:08
defunktagain, thank you for all of your help08:08
Tsjoklat|QuaD yeah when you install the cd you put custom at the prompt08:08
defunkti am still having problems but i think i will be able to work them out08:08
neighborleeneoxed, I googled but wasnt' finding anything so I hope he can help you08:08
Tsjoklatdefunkt so glad to hear that :)08:09
Tsjoklat|QuaD going to try a min install without gnome and see what will happen08:09
magnetoyoure right mpl;ayer and xine will play em08:09
|QuaD|Tsjoklat: interesting08:09
neoxedah cool08:09
magnetosupposed to be crummy though08:09
|QuaD|Tsjoklat: don't do that08:09
Tsjoklat|Quad why not?08:09
defunktif i can do anything for you guys, just let me know :)08:09
|QuaD|u need gnome ... or you putting on kde :)08:09
neighborleelearn something new today <G>08:09
defunktabout the only thing i am good at on a computer is web design08:10
Tsjoklat|QuaD lol I am not leaving gnome, I just want to test something and if it works I am going to throw a thread on the forums about it08:10
defunktso if you need help, let me know08:10
|QuaD|neoxed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/08/msg05641.html08:10
|QuaD|that should help you08:10
|QuaD|Tsjoklat: ahh nice, i don't use the forums08:10
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Tsjoklat|QuaD it might be the soluton for the ubu/kde probs most of the people are having08:10
neighborleeanyone know if ( if not id be willing to help out!) menu entry integration for synatpic is being worked on?08:10
neoxedmy bin is 2.1 gigs08:10
neoxedand is LOTR08:10
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sdfsdhi anyone here?08:11
|QuaD|Tsjoklat: true.. do the research for me (i need another comp)08:11
Tsjoklatsdfsd no we all went to Alaska08:11
|QuaD|neighborlee: i believe they are working on a new frontend08:11
Tsjoklatsearching for Santa Claus08:12
Tsjoklatanyhu I'll be in and out.. be good08:12
|QuaD|have fun08:12
neighborlee|Quad|sigh I should restate that..I meant so when adding apps ..it adds a icon into the speciifc menu area...08:12
|QuaD|neighborlee: it doesn't now?08:12
neighborleenot always I dont think08:12
sdfsdi was wondering if i have an ordinary pc - which version of ubuntu should i download? i386 or amd64 or powerpc?08:12
magnetolaughin at quads googling - thats what i read too08:12
|QuaD|what processor do you have08:13
punk0somebody have a ubuntu like router whit a adsl line08:13
neighborlee|QuaD|, maybe its just a matter of whom is maintainer ?08:13
|QuaD|magneto: :)08:13
sdfsdthank you everyone08:13
punk0i have some problems whit the nat08:13
|QuaD|neighborlee: could be, are you using gnome?08:13
defunktsdfsd: what processor do you have!?08:13
neighborleeyup gnome2.8 default08:13
|QuaD|neighborlee: strange08:13
|QuaD|what package08:13
|QuaD|that is a package issue, not a synaptic issue08:13
neighborleewondering if I should upgrade actually..I installed over 3.5 months ago...should I download and install latest ?08:13
|QuaD|(though i prefer apt-get)08:14
|QuaD|neighborlee: as in hoary?08:14
neighborleenot sure...I think I got worty few months ago08:14
|QuaD|you can upgrade your package08:14
neighborleeof whatever was around few months ago08:14
|QuaD|i don't know how in synaptic... but its REALLY easy in apt-get if you want08:14
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neighborleeah maybe thats it..just not through synaptic08:15
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neighborleeapt-get dist-upgrade ? ( and cross fingers)08:15
|QuaD|apt-get update08:15
|QuaD|apt-get upgrade08:15
|QuaD|(have to run them in that order008:15
neighborleeok sounds good08:15
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neighborleeI should have known that prob but..<wink>08:16
Skifneighborlee: upgrade will not upgrade any packages that have new dependencies, dist-upgrade will.08:16
|QuaD|if you use synaptic, its fine08:16
Tsjoklatdist-upgrade is not adviced by the devs Skif08:16
neoxedtar xzvf MPlayer-1.0pre5.tar.bz2  is that how it is for bz2 files as well?08:16
neighborleeSkif, yup thats what I was thinking08:16
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|QuaD|neighborlee: you will be fine with upgrade08:16
SkifTsjoklat: *shrug* can't imagine why; just commenting on the difference08:17
neighborleeoh dear whom do I listen to ?LOL08:17
neighborleeeveryone here is so nice..I appreciate all your help!!08:17
neighborleegreat bunch08:18
|QuaD|neighborlee: are you doing it just to upgrade?08:18
|QuaD|or do you need something specifically08:18
|QuaD|start with upgrade, if it doesn't do what you need, we can move to dist-upgrade08:18
neighborleejust to stay current with all patches etc.etc.08:18
neighborleesecurity and otherwize08:18
neighborleeie : hack proof LOL08:18
neighborleeor as close as one can get and with linux thats darn hack proof <wink>08:19
|QuaD|neighborlee: you will be fine with upgrade08:19
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neoxedhow do you unpack tar.bz2?08:22
Skifneoxed: tar xvjf <file>.tar.bz208:22
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ed___anyone using a linksys usb 802.11b thingy?08:30
ed___i'm having trouble getting mine working08:30
Se7hthis chan never sleeps08:32
|QuaD|different timezones08:32
Se7hwell...its 732 here08:32
|QuaD|2:32 am08:33
Se7hi think im going to get some food08:34
Se7hand then get some sleep08:34
carthikHome_quick question08:35
defunkti need help again cause i'm an idiot.08:35
defunkti need to install flash support :-\08:35
dreamerwould anyone possibly have time to help me work out how to change the resolutions that I can select from inside gnome?08:35
carthikHome_does what i type08:35
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carthikHome_show up with a  leading hyphen?08:35
|QuaD|defunkt: there is a howto on thse site08:35
|QuaD|carthikHome_: nope08:35
jamie_Just installed ubuntu a few hours ago.  This rocks!08:35
carthikHome_thanks |QuaD|.08:35
Se7hjamie_ ;)08:36
defunkt|QuaD|, TY!08:36
|QuaD|nite all08:37
jamie_dreamer just go to the computer menu, system configuration, screen resolution08:40
dreamerit only gives three options08:40
Se7hhe wants to edit xfree.conf08:40
jamie_ah, i see08:40
dreamerwhere would I find that Se7h?08:40
dreamerthat makes entirely too much sense :P08:41
Se7hit does, doesn' it?08:43
Se7heven i08:44
Se7hcan't remember08:44
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Se7hhaven't touch it for a time08:44
dreamerbear in mind if I was even more newbish than I am, I would not have known to search for xfree86.conf :P08:44
Se7hgot it08:45
dreamerI have to chmod the file first huh08:45
dreamerinteresting, that's not where the search turned it up heh08:45
dreamerbut that sounds good08:45
dreamersuper, this looks helpful08:46
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Se7hwierd hostname08:56
dreamerSe7h: I modified the xfree86.conf to list the resolution I need in all the bitdepths, and logged out (being told this would restart x) .. still nada08:56
dreamerany clues?08:56
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Se7hnada ?08:57
Se7hwhere'r u from ?08:57
dreamernew zealand08:57
Se7hu need to restart X08:57
defunkthow do you install fonts in ubuntu?08:58
Se7hdefunkt try synaptic08:59
defunktno i mean i have the files, but i just wanna install them....08:59
dreamerSe7h: still no luck09:00
Se7hso probably it doesnt support it09:02
dreamerit's a radeon9500pro running on an lcd with a native res of 1280x102409:02
dreamerif it doesn't support it I'ma hurt someone09:02
dreamerthere's an xfree86.conf in /usr/share/xresprobe so I'm editing that just in case :P09:03
Se7hhave u got the driver working ?09:03
dreamerit appears to be09:04
Se7hwell, be sure of it09:05
Se7hcheck xfree file09:05
Se7hif its using it09:05
dreamerSection "Device"09:06
dreamer        Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9500 Pro (R300 NE)"09:06
dreamer        Driver          "ati"09:06
dreamer        BusID           "PCI:3:0:0"09:06
dreamerlook right?09:06
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Se7his it "ati" the default linux driver09:06
Se7hor the one from ATI ?09:06
dreamerhmm it'll be the default presumably.09:06
Se7hso there u have09:07
Se7hgo to synaptic09:07
Se7hand search for ATI driver09:07
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dreamerit doesn't appear to find anything looking remotely like a driver with just a search for ATI, I guess it's case sensitive?09:08
Se7hhave u enabled universe?09:08
dreamer^^; how would I do that?09:09
Se7hsettings -> repositories09:09
dreamerI have now, but still no dice09:10
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Se7hVideo driver for the ATI graphics accelerators09:13
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Se7hThis version of the ATI driver officially supports:09:13
Se7h * ATI Radeon 8500, 9100, 9200, 9500, 9600, 9700, 980009:13
Se7hits there09:13
Se7hsearch "radeon" by description and name09:14
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dreamerit occurs to me that this list needs refreshing09:16
dreamerbecause there's stuffall in it, and clicking reload started downloading stuff ;)09:16
xoxoxoanybody please tell me in ubuntu repository, any window manager available (besides gnome?)09:16
xoxoxognome is too heavy for me. i want to replace it09:16
Se7hxoxoxo try blackbox09:16
Se7hi mean fluxbox09:17
xoxoxoSe7h, i want to try icewm, but it is not available?09:17
Se7hyes it is09:17
xoxoxoah yes. it seems the repo just updated recently.09:18
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xoxoxoSe7h, how can i have the new WM (fluxbox, icewm) available from the WM list of gdm?09:19
xoxoxoso i can choose to run what i like from the login prompt?09:19
Se7hselect it at login screen09:19
dreamerSe7h: is there an apt-get way to get this? Synaptic still doesn't return a result for radeon09:19
Se7hjust install it09:20
dreamerthat works heh09:20
xoxoxoyou mean i dont need to config anything for gdm to recognize the new installed WM?09:20
xoxoxook try it now09:20
Se7hxoxoxo yup09:20
xoxoxothank you a lot. see you again09:20
Se7hdreamer how r u searching for it ?09:20
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dreamera) using the search box, and b) scrolling down the huge list to make sure09:21
Se7hyes, but in the search dialog09:21
Se7hwhat do u input ?09:21
dreamermy bad :X09:21
Se7hfood time09:22
dreamerthanks, btw09:23
Se7hnp ;)09:23
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mojohi every109:26
mojoppl as crowed as usual09:26
mojoppl as crowded as usual09:26
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mojolol, I wish Eng is my mother lang09:27
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Se7hmojo why so ?09:31
Se7hdam ita 8.30am09:33
Se7hand i haven't slep09:33
RibsSleep is for sisseys09:34
Se7hits for tired ppl09:34
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defunktneed some more help guys :(09:39
defunkti am not sure if ubuntu supports my geforce 5500+ OC09:39
defunktcause it is reading my video as generic nvidia video card09:40
defunktand i installed q3 and i think it is running liek shit cause of it09:40
Se7hdreamer deja vu ?09:41
Se7hnow ur turn to help09:41
defunktwell if yall could help me out i would owe you big time09:42
Synekdefunkt: what driver you have?09:42
Se7hit would be nice if he wake up09:42
Se7hSynek generic09:42
Se7hdefunkt synaptic for "nvidia"09:43
defunktsynek: it says it's just the generic nvidia driver09:43
Synekfollow the Se7h09:44
Syneksynatpic for nvidia, choose, install, have hope ;)09:44
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defunktwell i have an issue right here09:45
defunkti got the drivers from the nvidia site - the newest ones09:45
defunktand i logged into root09:45
Se7hdefunkt no need09:45
defunktwell i want the newest ones tho09:46
defunktall of these have been installed09:46
defunktand it's running like shit09:46
Synekwhy so? to have + 0,1 fps in q3? ;-)09:46
defunktright now i am running about 2fps09:47
defunktit's really reallly really slow09:47
defunktand choppy as hell09:47
Se7hthats because u'r using the "nvidia" driver09:47
defunktwhat else can i use09:47
dreamersorry :P09:47
Se7hu need "nv" driver09:47
RibsNvidia's latest driver works fine here.09:47
RibsSe7h: erm, that's bad advice09:48
Se7his it ?09:48
Ribsthe nv driver has no 3D acceleration at all09:48
Se7hwell..works for me09:48
Ribsit will make games slower, if anything09:48
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Se7hnot for me09:48
defunktwhat should i do? :(09:48
AgrajagSe7h: what games are you playing?09:48
RibsWell, you stick with your Software rendering then :)09:48
defunkti want to use this nice 5500+09:48
Ribsbut if you actually want to use the 3D chip on your card, you need the nvidia driver09:49
defunktit's on there09:49
defunktand installed09:49
Ribsdefunkt: what values does glxgears give?09:49
defunktbut running at like too09:49
defunkthow do i check that09:49
Se7hAgrajag doom3 for ie09:49
Agrajagdefunkt: run glxgears09:49
Ribsdefunkt: open a terminal09:49
Ribsdecklin: Run 'glxgears'09:49
AgrajagSe7h: then there's no way in herll you're using nv.09:49
Ribslet it run for a few seconds, then close it09:49
Ribsyou'll get FPS values in the console09:50
crimsundefunkt: glxinfo|grep vendor09:50
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Ribs11.8 fps?09:50
Ribsribs@zeus:~ $ glxgears09:50
Ribs41544 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8308.800 FPS09:50
defunktNVIDIA corporation09:50
RibsThat's what I'm getting09:50
Ribsso there is something wrong here.09:50
crimsundefunkt: you should have 3 lines of "NVIDIA Corporation"09:51
Se7hRibs "here" ?09:51
Se7hdont think so09:51
crimsunfor server glx vendor, client glx vendor, and OpenGL vendor09:51
defunktserver glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation09:51
defunktclient glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation09:51
defunktOpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation09:51
RibsSe7h: What?09:51
Se7hforget it09:51
crimsunglxinfo|grep rendering09:51
defunktdirect rendering: Yes09:52
Ribsdefunkt: send me your x configuration file09:52
crimsundefunkt: and when you try, say, the doom3 demo, it plays fine?09:52
defunktno i ran the q3 file09:52
defunkterr q3 game09:52
dreamersigh, still no luck09:52
defunktloaded like shit09:52
defunktribs: how do you see that?09:52
RibsHow do I see what?09:52
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defunktxconfiguration file09:52
Ribsoh, right09:52
Ribsit's in /etc/X11/XF86Config-409:53
Ribssend it to me via XChat's send file feature09:53
defunktdo you want me to pm it to you?09:53
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defunktoh ok09:53
neoxedi have linux installed right now is there any way i could just pop a windows xp cd in and take say 150 gigs of space and make it ntfs and still have linux useing 150?09:53
Ribs/dcc send Ribs /etc/X11/XF86Config-409:53
RibsThat should do it09:54
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Ribsneoxed: no09:54
Ribsneoxed: Windows doesn't really co-operate with Linux09:54
Ribsheh, whoops :)09:54
Mestahey all, I seem to recall that security bugs are not looked after in testing.  Is this true?  Are there security issues with running hoary?09:54
defunktribs you'll see it's using the generic driver09:54
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Ribsdefunkt: No, it's using the nvidia driver09:55
Ribsthe generic part is just the name xfree has given your card09:56
RibsYou can call it 'This is my gfx card' for all it matters09:56
defunktoh ok09:56
RibsI think there is a conflict here09:56
dreamerokay, xfree86config knows that I have those video modes listed, but gnome doesn't09:56
RibsYou see there are comments at the top of the file? lines that start with # ?09:57
RibsYou need to put a # at the beginning of lines I tell you, this is known as 'commenting out' lines. It basically tells xfree to ignore those lines.09:57
defunktare you talking to me ribs?09:57
defunktwhat do you need me to do?09:58
Ribscomment those lines out09:58
Ribsright at the bottom, there are three lines about DRI09:58
Ribscomment those three out as well09:58
RibsThat should be it09:59
defunkthold on09:59
Ribsnow, restart X with 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' -- warning, this will shut down anything you have running on your desktop, including XChat09:59
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RibsWith any luck, that will solve your problem09:59
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Ribsdefunkt: oh, remember to save the file first :)10:00
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defunktjust those two?10:00
defunkttwo lines*?10:00
Ribsand the last three lines10:01
RibsSection "DRI"10:01
Ribsthat lot10:01
defunktok just those 3 then10:02
Ribsand the two before I mentioned10:02
Ribsfive lines in total10:02
defunktok rad10:02
defunktthen i gotta log out and back in or i am set10:02
Ribswell, save it10:02
Ribs<Ribs> now, restart X with 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' -- warning, this will shut down anything you have running on your desktop, including XChat10:02
Ribsit saved okay, right?10:03
Ribsyou ran the editor as root?10:03
Ribsgood man10:03
Ribsand good luck10:03
defunktdo i have to logout and back in?10:03
Ribsno, do what I pasted10:03
Ribsthen you'll be asked to log in again10:03
defunktok rad ty! i will be back in a second!10:04
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Se7hwhats the x server deamon ?10:05
Se7h(to kill it10:05
RibsSe7h: What HAVE you done?10:05
Se7hstroke some keys ?10:05
Ribssudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart tends to restart X10:05
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Ribsreplace restart with stop to kill off X completely10:06
Se7hbut i want to terminate it10:06
Se7hnot reastart10:06
Ribshrm, defunkt isn't back yet10:06
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Ribsdid it work?10:08
defunkthad a scare there10:08
defunktyeah it worked!10:08
Ribsglxgears result?10:08
defunkthold on lemem try it out10:08
defunktholy shit no way10:08
defunktok now to get the sound working in quake!10:09
Ribsdid you miss a decimal point there?10:09
Ribsthat result is higher than mine10:09
defunktyeah my bad10:09
Ribswhich it shouldn't be :P10:09
Ribsthat's better, heh10:09
neoxedcan some one on windows connect to my hnome meeting?10:09
RuffianSoldieranyone here?I love Hoary10:09
Ribsneoxed: Ask in a Windows channel :P10:10
neoxedi mean can any one10:10
neoxedas in just persay10:10
Se7hwhat i want is to run the nvidia.run10:10
MestaI see that universe does not receive security updates but does hoary recieve sucurity updates?10:11
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sirfredHumm, Evolution is a little broken, isn't it (Hoary) ?10:11
RibsMesta: warty does recieve updates10:11
RuffianSoldierHoary rocks!10:11
MestaI mentioned hoary10:12
Mestanot warty10:12
sirfredSome icons don't show on the compose window, is that a known problem?10:12
MestaYes I hear it rocks, but I'm willing to try it if it recieves security updates.  Thus my question.  It can rock and recieve updates, can't it?10:13
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sirfredAlso, some times the spamc programs it spawns are really memory hungry.10:13
lamont_rMesta: generally speaking, warty-security updates are being propogated into hoary.  Not sure if that's a committed activity or not, but I expect it to continue.10:13
sirfredI'm thinking about switching to thunderbird, is that a good idea?10:13
defunktdamn, now i just gotta get the sound working lol10:13
Se7h62542 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12508.400 FPS10:14
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Syneksirfred: why don't you try?10:17
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sirfredSynek: Just too lazy to migrate all my mail.10:17
sirfredSynek: Also, evolution is more than a mail client.10:17
sirfredSynek: I like the clock integration, for example.10:18
Mestathanks Lamont_r but I don't think it's commited 'cause I just found, "We only fix bugs in our stable releases which truly affect overall system security" <http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SecurityUpdateProcedures/view?searchterm=hoary%20security%20update>.10:18
sirfredAnyway, I've seen that there's a new evolution version on the repository, let's try with that.10:18
lamont_rMesta: it's not committed.10:18
lamont_rbut it does tend to happen10:18
Syneksirfred: fine by me ;-)10:18
lamont_rMesta: that's only talking about released versions (==warty).  hoary is still in active development10:19
jdubgood morning freedom lovers10:20
lamont_rmorning jdub10:20
lamont_ris there a power strip where you are?10:20
ajmitch_hi jdub10:20
jdubthis morning in #ubuntu, we'll have a LIVE SIMULCAST of the big meeting in matar10:20
jdubin #ubuntu-meeting :-)10:20
jdubi will be madly typing10:20
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jduband hopefully getting useful input from the other typists in the room ;-)10:21
ajmitch_who has the job of thrashing out what people say on the keyboard?10:21
MestaI'm at a standstill.  You'd assume that they'd be putting in the security fixes as they go else they'd have a stable version with security issues for the next release date10:21
jdubif there is input for the meeting from the channel, i will speak10:21
ajmitch_Mesta: new packages are uploaded all the time into hoary10:21
ajmitch_security fixes included10:21
ctdjdub: What times this? :)10:22
lamont_rMesta: it's more a function of the work load on the people doing warty-security, mixed with their guess of how fast the fix will come from sid.10:22
ajmitch_often a new version will fix the problem instead of just a security patch10:22
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lamont_rsince the distro team is pretty much all running hoary, we care...10:22
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Mestak I'll upgrade, and test the ppc sound issues and hopefully get better sound support for ppc10:23
ajmitch_jdub: so can we submit our wishlist for hoary & beyond? :)10:23
xoxoxohello again. how can i get the source code of the current kernel ( with apt-get?10:23
crimsunxoxoxo: sudo apt-get install linux-source-
xoxoxocrimsun, is that the kernel source with patch?10:24
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crimsunxoxoxo: it's the patched version of the source used to build the kernels in ubuntu, yes10:24
miqorz2.6.8.1? 2.6.9 is safer10:24
crimsun2.6.9 is only available compiled by ubuntu in hoary, however, miqorz. :)10:25
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xoxoxocrimsun, do they store the patches separately? i want to see what patches ubuntu use for the stock kernel.10:25
miqorzcrimsun: I don't use Ubuntu currently. *shrug*10:25
xoxoxomiqorz, 2.6.9 not available in the repository, afaik10:25
xoxoxoeh i am talking about the distro kernel, not stock one ;)10:26
miqorzive been using 2.6.9-ac6 for what feels like forever10:26
crimsun(jdub must be typing furiously ;-)10:27
miqorzhe's doing something furiously10:28
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miqorzi love Rush10:31
crimsun(got some Camel blaring in my headphones)10:31
miqorzi listen to literally anything10:32
miqorzDimmu Borgir to Michelle Branch10:32
xoxoxoanybody knows how to get firefox 1.0 from repo?10:32
xoxoxoi guess i must use hoary (?)10:32
crimsunxoxoxo: only officially in hoary10:32
miqorzit should be in debian unstable10:32
crimsunxoxoxo: you can just download the deb and dpkg -i if you really want it10:32
crimsunxoxoxo: though you know you don't get to complain if stuff breaks ;)10:32
miqorzRush makes excellent gaming music10:33
xoxoxoin debian unstable? but people always tell me not to install from debian repo, since it may not work in ubuntu (?)10:33
Synekxoxoxo: get the source and compile it for yourself10:33
ajmitch_there's a firefox backport for warty somewhere10:33
crimsunhoary repo, xoxoxo.10:33
miqorzxoxoxo: Maybe, Maybe not.10:33
miqorzNot too sure.10:33
miqorzMy friend uses debian sources without issue.10:33
xoxoxowell, but technically why .deb from debian repo would break in ubuntu???10:34
miqorzNo clue.10:34
crimsundepends on the specific versions of dependencies it's compiled against10:34
smoin itself, it probably won't.  if you let it pull in dependencies, it can get messy  (I went there)10:34
ajmitch_xoxoxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MarkusHubig10:34
miqorzMy only experiences with debian were soley with "debian"10:35
miqorzI hate waiting for crap to download10:38
xoxoxook, i expect firefox 1.0 (and others) will be backported to warty soon10:38
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ajmitch_xoxoxo: see link above :P10:38
xoxoxoajmitch_, yeah thanks, i am trying to get it10:39
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ajmitch_there won't be 'official' backports that I'm aware of10:39
miqorzAny non gnome/non kde users even bother with ubuntu?10:39
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Synekmigorz : i prefer fluxbox10:40
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smoI've a feeling I'm about to become one of them .. watching gnome start on a p233 /w 32Mb isn't fun10:40
Synekheh, i get q for g ;)10:40
Tomcat_Can somebody go to http://studiwiki.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/ and tell me if they see a big "w3 studi"?10:40
miqorzI use Enlightenment10:40
Syneksmo: so switch anr try10:40
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xoxoxohm... i want to get the 2.6.9 from hoary. where can i get the .deb?10:40
miqorzjust compile it?10:41
xoxoxomiqorz, i prefer kernel with patch10:41
miqorzso patch it?10:41
Synekxoxoxo: don't completly rely on .debs10:41
xoxoxoit take time to collect patches, doesnt it?10:41
miqorzPatchsets my man.10:41
smoTomcat_: I don't see "w3" on there at all, in image nor text10:41
Tomcat_xoxoxo: There's a 2.6.9 kernel as Ubuntu package on the Power Management Testing (PMTesting) page on the Ubuntu wiki... I doubt it's for production use though.10:42
Tomcat_smo: Regular MoinMoin wiki then?10:42
Tomcat_smo: Okay, thanks... I guess they changed the IP and my DNS didn't catch up.10:42
miqorzi use alan cox's patchset aka ac sources10:42
xoxoxoTomcat_, can you give me the url of 2.6.9?10:43
Tomcat_xoxoxo: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting10:43
xoxoxoanyway, what kind of patches ubuntu do on kernel? just for driver or smt else?10:43
Tomcat_xoxoxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto/view?searchterm=kernel <--- This is a list of all patches and howto compile...10:44
crimsunxoxoxo: the changelogs for linux-image-`uname -r` have more info :)10:44
Tomcat_xoxoxo: Argh no... only howto there... here's the list of patches in the warty kernel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogKernel/view?searchterm=kernel10:45
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smonice touch .. it's realised this is a laptop, and added battery-stat and wireless applets accordingly10:49
xoxoxoyeah kernel mostly like stock kernel, just some more patches for devices10:53
dreamerfinally got it working, didn't have the correct refresh rates specified :)10:54
dreamernext question ;)10:54
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dreamerwhen I start up, it defaults to the networking profile that tries to use my router for dns queries .. which for some reason doesn't work. I set up a secondary configuration but it won't default to that10:55
xoxoxoapt-get install linux-source- get me the tarball, and everything mixed insice. is there anyway to get the kernel source with a separate directory for patches, so i can see closely what patches in?10:55
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crimsunxoxoxo: diff -uNr against a stock kernel :)10:58
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wood1Hi everybody11:05
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jblackaThe conference is interesting this morning.11:05
wood1Did you go there ?11:06
jblackThere's a big discussion going on right now about commoditizing configuration11:06
jblackwood1: I'm there right now.11:06
wood1Wow, really11:07
wood1What's going on there ?11:07
wood1By the way, were you invited or are you one of the Ubuntu Developers ?11:07
ajmitch_wood1: see #ubuntu-meeting11:07
xoxoxoanybody knows how can i get the list of file of a package in repo (that is not installed yet)?11:08
jblackwood1: I'm one of the developers11:08
crimsunxoxoxo: dpkg-deb -c foo.deb11:08
xoxoxocrimsun, but .deb is still in repo, not in my machine yet ?11:08
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xoxoxojblack, will there be proceedings of the meeting?11:09
Tomcat_[10:49:54]  [smo]  nice touch .. it's realised this is a laptop, and added battery-stat and wireless applets accordingly <--- Check out the cpufreq applet too! :)11:09
crimsunxoxoxo: yes.11:10
jblackxoxoxo: jdub is summarizing in #ubuntu-meeting. I'm sure that somebody is keeping a log11:10
xoxoxocrimsun, i mean i want to see the file list of package that is still in repo, not yet in my machine. is that possible?11:11
smoTomcat_: Would it be useful on a P1?  ;o)11:11
Tomcat_smo: I think it's useful on any processor that supports multiple frequencies... :>11:12
crimsunxoxoxo: for Debian proper, yes, there is infrastructure. I do not know if Ubuntu has similar structure up and running for the equivalent of packages.debian.org11:12
xoxoxoif not, i think this is where ubuntu should improve.11:13
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crimsunI'm fairly certain the infrastructure just needs to be enabled11:14
xoxoxoanyway, to see the file list in debian, i must go to the website packages.debian.org? so even in debian, i cannot see file list from my console?11:14
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crimsunxoxoxo: not for what you wish to do, no11:14
wood1Hi Amaanth, are you there ?11:14
crimsunxoxoxo: presuming you want: dpkg-deb -c http://foo/bar.deb11:15
crimsunConectiva has extended apt to handle remote locations, but afaik those changes have not been merged into Debian's apt11:15
xoxoxocrimsun, is that possible? but as an enduser, i dont care about the repo address, so that is the bad solution11:16
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lamont_rpostfix TLS patch from upstream (albeit non-prod, snapshot).  WOOT!11:16
crimsunxoxoxo: then I don't understand your question: aren't you asking about the contents of a _remote_ package?11:17
crimsunxoxoxo: one that resides on a remote server but isn't installed on your local system?11:17
wood1Why is it so difficult to log on to a remote Ubuntu Machine from other Ubuntu machine in X-Windows?11:18
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wood1How do I do that ?11:18
lamont_rwood1: by default, ubuntu listens on no ports.11:18
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wood1Doesn't Ubuntu have some kind of RDP thing ?11:18
lamont_rso, on the remote machine, apt-get install ssh-server11:18
lamont_ror openssh-server...11:19
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xoxoxocrimsun, yeah the way you tell me work, but that doesnt satisfy me much. i expect smt simple like this: "dpkg-deb -r vim". suppose -r mean i will get the data from remote repo, not local.11:19
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wood1Well I can connect using SSH11:19
xoxoxowell, i am looking for something like that11:19
wood1But I want to connect using X-Windows11:19
mjryou can run X programs via ssh by using the -X switch11:19
lamont_rxdmcp, or just splatting xterms at the remote machine?11:19
lamont_rthere are issues with cleartext in most such uses...11:20
crimsunxoxoxo: hmm, I see now.11:20
lamont_rbut again, you would need to tell X to listen on more than
crimsunxoxoxo: add it to the suggestions on the wiki11:20
lamont_rwood1: actually, you'd need to tell X to listen on a tcp socket, period.11:20
xoxoxocrimsun, i meant in idealy way, user dont care where is the repo. he just want to get the file list of certaint package11:20
mjralso, you can share a whole gnome desktop with the VNC protocol by using Vino, if you must11:20
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crimsunxoxoxo: yep. One should also consider if multiple sources have the same package. (e.g., what apt-cache policy will reveal)11:21
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wood1mjr, could you please elaborate a little more on that thing ?11:21
wood1How do I do that ?11:22
mjr"apt-get install vino"11:22
xoxoxocrimsun, i will fill in my wish into wiki. what is the exact url for the wishlist?11:22
spacey`kicomputer > desktop preferences > remote desktop11:22
spacey`kiallow other users to view your desktop11:22
crimsunxoxoxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IdeaPool11:23
wood1Remote Desktop RDP is fine for Windows XP, how do I connect to other Ubuntu machine ?11:24
wood1using Remote Desktop11:24
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wood1Which protocol should I use to connect from an Ubuntu Machine to other Ubuntu Machine using Remote Desktop ???11:25
mjras I said, "with the VNC protocol"11:26
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warty_girlhi and thanks for ubuntu!!! it is so good!11:38
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wood1Hmm, good to see a warty_girl in a Ubuntu chat forum11:40
crimsunwood1: Tsjoklat is, too.11:40
wood1That's surprising. Women using Linux too11:40
mjrtell that to my so ;)11:41
crimsunnot at all surprising. Women, after all, use computers. :)11:41
mjror, indeed, about half the women I happen to know ;)11:41
wood1Well most Women do care about which Operating System they use11:41
warty_girlwhy is surprising that a woman uses linux?11:41
Simirawarty_girl: I'm working on an article about Ubuntu and women, as a result of the Ubuntu conference11:42
wood1Well in my company which has more than 1000 staffs which has more than 400 women, only the guys uses Linux.11:42
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wood1Anyway, that' very good sign11:43
Simirawarty_girl: you should join Debian-women if you're interested. A wiki-page will be up on Ubuntu soon.11:43
warty_girlin my company all people are using linux11:43
Tsjoklatlink Simira?11:43
agenteosomeone print successfully from GIMP in ubuntu? With me I can't, it prints white pages... its first line is %!PS-Adobe-3.011:43
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Simirafor Debian-women? hhtp://women.alioth.debian.org11:44
TsjoklatTreenaks mentioned that I should contact you Simira :)11:44
wood1warty_girl, Are you sure ?11:44
Simirathere's not much info yet, but it's coming in time11:44
warty_girlyes i am11:44
smoI have warty up and running in a small netcafe .. I see plenty of both gender using it each day without even noticing.  (a plumber once told me, if no-one notices what you've done, you've done it right)11:44
siimoagenteo, i can but im printing to a windows SMB print server11:44
crimsunsmo: precisely11:44
Q-FUNKwarty_girl: which company is that?11:44
SimiraTsjoklat: are you at the conference?11:44
TsjoklatSimira no I am not, but a few people I know were there and they mentioned that you are a girl too11:45
wood1Hum, that's a good thing11:45
Tsjoklatlong story, but it boiled down too that I was looking for females11:45
warty_girla small company dealing with tropical fish11:45
SimiraTsjoklat: sure I am. And gotten really inspired to do some work on women in linux11:45
wood1Well people in your CyberCafe must have inquired why MSN Messenger looks a bit funny11:45
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TsjoklatSimira I got pointed at to linuxchic you heard of that?11:46
Simiralinuxchix, yes. I know a member there.11:46
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TsjoklatSimira I sent them hunting for females at the conference :)11:46
smowood1: I have a small front-end for gaim written in mono, so that they're presented simply with user/pass/service  (it writes out an accounts.xml then launches gaim).  it looks different, but it's easier than trying to maintain aim/yahoo/msn on a windows machine11:46
Simirafolks in Mataro, you must make sure the bof notes comes up on the wiki! People are missing them!11:47
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wood1smo,  How long have you been running your Cyber Cafe ?11:47
warty_girlit is nothing uncommon here. windows are too expensive and bsa threatened people too much11:47
Tsjoklatnice meeting you Simira11:47
Tsjoklatand warty_girl :)11:48
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smowood1: it's been there 2 years .. I've only been onboard this summer  (and warty's been there for the last 6 weeks)11:48
wood1Why don't you use a pirated version of windows11:48
warty_girlsending videos to companies threatening with jail for using ms/adobe sw11:48
jdubTsjoklat: we had a great debian/ubuntu women bof yesterday11:48
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Tsjoklatjdub I heard .. I wish I could have been there11:48
wood1So before, you used to use Windows11:48
wood1in your cafe11:48
siimowarty_girl, whats so illegal about using that software? unless they were pirated copies11:48
jdubTsjoklat: should have minutes out soon11:48
warty_girlsiimo, it is no ilegal11:49
siimowell what would you be threatened then11:49
smowood1: Yes, that's what was there when I got there11:49
Q-FUNKwarty_girl: that's because you joined EU.  Russia still thrives on pirate copies of everything.11:49
warty_girlsiimo, but bsa behaved as if you were a thief unless you proved otherwise11:49
Tsjoklatjdub I am glad that there is 'more' out there.. I never heard of debian women or linuxchix before11:49
wood1Well what made you switch from Windows in Linux for your cafe ?11:49
jdubTsjoklat: whoa! you should join up :)11:49
siimowell you could easily prove that11:49
warty_girlQ-FUNK, it happened long before eu11:50
jdubTsjoklat: we should have something cool for ubuntu too :)11:50
Simirajdub: yes, how did that bof go? I'm working on an article about Debian-women and Ubuntu11:50
Tsjoklatjdub I am/did!11:50
jdubTsjoklat: :-)11:50
Tsjoklatjdub yes.. and whatever you are planning... you can count me in11:50
wood1Still, Linux has a long long way to catch up with MS-Windows11:50
warty_girland i think it is better these days. they cannot do such thing in EU - like invade private property11:50
Q-FUNKwarty_girl: did it?  How come CZ bent so quickly to the BSA goons?11:50
jdubTsjoklat: no plans so far for ubuntu - perhaps we should start a wiki page11:50
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Simirajdub: we're working on it, but thinks splitting up from d-w isn't too smart. Though we're setting up something on the wiki soon.11:50
smowood1: they were previously outsourced (maintanance) thru a local IT firm.  the machines were frankly a mess.  about a third could actually sign-on to msn, most but not all could print, one was infected with something that was attempting to send emails twice every second.11:50
jdubSimira: sweet!11:51
warty_girlQ-FUNK, because MS and our government - very personal friends11:51
smowood1: So I presented a slightly modified LiveCD that just behaved, and didn't require expensive bolt-on software to keep windows sane11:51
Tsjoklatjdub it might be a good idea to put on that wiki links to nix pages for women11:51
wood1warty_girl, what is the name of your government ?11:51
Q-FUNKwarty_girl: ah you cz == uk.  very nice.  not.11:51
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wood1smo, why didn't you use a Strong Anti-Virus and a Firewall Software for your cafe ?11:52
warty_girlwood1 - tehy call it democracy :) but if this is a democracy, i do not want it11:52
wood1Hum, UK, Tony Blair11:52
TsjoklatI find Tony Blair rather hot11:53
wood1Well my sister and brother-in-law are also in UK11:53
smowood1: Because the problems are deeper than that on public terminals.  You want no persistant settings at all, etc.11:53
wood1Well I used to run a Cyber Cafe using Windows NT and Windows XP machines too11:53
Tsjoklatwaaa what are we talking about? politics and religion don't go very well in here people11:53
warty_girlbut it is really getting better in th EU11:54
Q-FUNKsmo: come to think of it, a live-CD option makes absolute perfect sense for that.  good point.11:54
warty_girlfor example all government pages were IE only.11:54
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wood1Well I think EU is going after Microsoft because of it's money or cash11:54
Tsjoklathey pitti :)11:54
pittiHi Tsjoklat11:54
warty_girlnow we have a law that forbids it. and my friend are actualkly now hired by government to repair that11:54
Tsjoklatmmm well I'll go kill some compiling11:55
Tsjoklatthanks for the heads up jdub11:55
Q-FUNKwarty_girl: to forbid what?  the BSA's "pay first and complain later" approach?11:55
wood1smo, how is your Cafe setup now ?11:55
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wood1Do you run from a central Server or are you using a peer to peer network setup ?11:55
smowood1: Simply put, a LiveCD in each machine.  Atleast until their contract with the 3rd-party firm runs dry11:56
cristianohi guys anyone knows how to start sound server for the SearchandRescue game???thank u!^_^11:56
warty_girlQ-FUNK to forbid IE only inaccesible web pages paid from taxes and by government11:56
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Q-FUNKwarty_girl: oh, that's really great. FI needs that too.  this country is completely sold to M$.11:57
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smowood1: modified slightly to include java/flash/mplayer-plugin, but it makes a great public terminal.  the worst damage they can do is steal a 5-cent cdr11:57
Q-FUNKsmo: ...and discover the benefits of Ubuntu at home.11:57
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smoQ-FUNK: I've already handed out most of the CDs I ordered :o)11:58
cristianonoone to help me with this?!?:(((11:58
Q-FUNKsmo: you might as well have a strategy of ordering a stack of Ubuntu Lice Cd and insist that whoever you've never seen before takes it home after.11:59
Q-FUNK.... live11:59
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wood1smo, I got your point12:02
wood1By the way, did you have to pay for Windows before switching to Linux ?12:02
will_holy cow!12:02
warty_girlhave to go, c u , bye :)12:02
smowood1: It came with the machines12:02
ajmitch_yes, it came with my machine about 8 years ago12:03
ajmitch_I only used it for a couple of years12:03
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smoWell, the company was there before I was even in this country .. buying decisions were nothing to do with me ;o)12:03
Syneki'm on my way to introduce ubuntu into lab in my Institute12:05
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Synekit's kinda hard work for librarian,  as admin is ms-neophite12:05
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wood1Well what would be the "Phrase" to tell the Windows people to switch to Ubuntu Linux ?12:08
SimiraI don't think there are one12:09
smoI didn't .. I rolled a LiveCD that included most the things I guessed people would need (ie, browser plugins), then just produced it whenever there was problems12:09
smoactions, not words :o)12:09
Simirathe functionality is as good, but different12:09
wood1Well Linux still has about 15 years to catch up with Windows12:10
cemetricIn my opinion most "hard-core" windows companies wil not switch to Linux for one reason ... the money12:11
Q-FUNKsmo: which tools did you use to roll the custom CD?12:11
cemetricLinux doesn't cost money in itself that we all know12:11
wood1Well there are costs behind the picture12:12
Q-FUNKcemetric: retraining on a completely different platform costs more than you think.12:12
cemetricbut if you have to reschool all the users to be able to use linux and rebuild your home made apps to work on linux12:12
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cemetricQ-FUNK: that's what I mean ... they don't just for that reason12:13
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wood1For example, if all our staffs were made to switch to Linux, the company will have to get fire most of the people or pay the training course for learning Linux12:13
Q-FUNKrewriting the custom apps for a new platform is a small cost, compared to retrianing a whole company's worth.12:13
cemetricwood1: that's true yes12:14
wood1And not to mention how long it may take for them to learn Linux if at all12:14
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smoQ-FUNK: annoyingly, I couldn't get the cloop modules to build, which is what morphix uses .. so I still have to boot into ubuntu's livecd each time I want to roll a module for it12:14
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wood1The saying: "There is no such thing called a Free Lunch"12:14
smo(a morphix module, being what ends up in the filesystem, not a kernel module)12:14
wood1is almost true12:14
cemetricyes ... and it's not only the people at the company but also their customers offcourse ... especially if you're a service oriented company12:15
Q-FUNKfrom that perspective, downloading an ISO costs bandwidth.12:15
agenteosiimo: what do you specify in the printer?12:15
smowood1: For perspective, you said you had around 1000 staff?  This is a small indy coffee shop with 4 fulltime staff & 1 schoolkid for random evenings12:15
wood1Oh, speaking of Customers base, 99.9 % of our customers are using Windows12:15
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agenteosiimo: I've been suggested with the default printer and the printer model is Postscript level 212:16
smowood1: The kind of place where paying 40-60 USD per hour for someone to de-gunk windows does make an impact12:16
cemetricwood1: yes try convincing them to switch to linux ... good luck12:16
Tomcat_Question: When I start ScummVM, it can't detect how to produce sound because the Gnome click sound is still playing. When I start it from terminal it works perfectly. Any way to fix this without using one of the many workarounds?12:16
SynekLet's face it; most poeple use boxes to www-browsing, imessaging and writew some docs12:17
lamont_rTomcat_: easiest way is to kill esd.. :-)12:17
lamont_ralthough that's not really a solution12:17
Rawplayerwhy should i use ubuntu and not debian?12:17
Tomcat_lamont_r: That'll disable Gnome sounds altogether, right? :P12:17
arthuri'm getting this message in bootup: "server is already active for display 0"12:17
lamont_rTomcat_: probably12:17
Tomcat_Rawplayer: Because Ubuntu "just works", while you have to do most stuff manually in Debian.12:18
lamont_rI know that the sound mess is somethign that's getting attention for hoary12:18
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Tomcat_lamont_r: Okay... if it's being recognized I can live with a workaround... I just want it addressed :P12:18
Rawplayeris there gonne be a port for sparc64?12:18
lamont_rTomcat_: yeah12:18
Tomcat_lamont_r: Well.. thanks. I thought about it being a problem in esd... I'll try a few things. :o12:19
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smoRawplayer: personally, the biggest attraction for me is scheduled releases.  Not having to jump on unstable because I know it'll be bang-up-to-date in another 6 months12:19
lamont_rRawplayer: I know that fabbione has been working on a sparc port, dunno if it was 32 or 64 bit off the top of my head.12:19
arthuri'm getting this message in bootup: "server is already active for display 0". and, the he tries to restart X server on display :0 agian, but fails.. any1 couild help me?12:20
Rawplayerok thanks12:20
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wood1One of the most evident problems facing the Linux World is that they have too too much choice and people end up making no choices12:21
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arthurwood1: i like the choices from free software.... Linux/FS is all about choices!12:22
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wood1Why can't the Linux World use just 1 standard set of policies and implement them to work smoothly12:22
smoBecause you can't keep everyone happy, all of the time?12:23
wood1Arthur, what's free can be  a blessing but could also be a curse12:23
arthurwood1: oh yeah... the standarts... Linux world really need standarts...12:23
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arthurmy X just works if I do an: "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" and then startx12:25
Q-FUNKthere are 2 opposite goals:  1) I wanna change my desktop and favorite media player whenever _I_ want to.  2) give us ONE standard, so that we can deploy it.12:25
wood1By the way, what would happen if just for the sake of argument, Windows goes Open Source too ?12:25
wood1Just like the Red Hat guys12:25
arthurbut at boot i'm getting this message ~: "server is already active for display 0"12:26
wood1Do you get the graphical login ?12:26
arthurwood1: nope12:26
wood1Which part of the booting process ?12:26
arthurwood1: i get the Nvidia screen, but after that, he tries to load gdm, and fail with that message12:27
Q-FUNKwood1: I think that where RH won is when they gave the business world ONE standardized distro.12:27
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Q-FUNKwood1: however, since RH wnet the "give us all your money" way and decided that desktop ain't worth it, Ubuntu can now fill that niche. :)12:28
danielsguys, discussion of red hat off topic, yeah?12:28
tuxJr_14i'd been wondering why ubuntu doesn't have kde12:28
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arthurdaniels: the discussion started about FS12:29
arthurtuxJr_14: the CD don't have KDE, but u can get this with apt12:29
tuxJr_14arthur: okie12:30
Q-FUNKdaniels: discussion of how Ubuntu can benefit from other distro's withdrawal from certain market segments.12:30
rmis it possible to download ISO (CD or DVD) snapshots of whole ubuntu repository?12:30
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arthurwood1: could u help me with tha12:31
wood1arthur, can you get to the bash shell ?12:31
smorm: You should beable to roll your own with debian-cd  (I've never tried tho), but I don't believe there's any images already there12:32
rmI see...12:32
arthurwood1: yeah, i'm at irssi now... and X just works if i go to shell, stops gdm, and do an startx manually, if i try to restaret gdm it fails too12:32
rmI plan to download debian sarge snapshot ISOs then, and try its packages in ubuntu12:33
thenukeyou mean you are going to download EVERY app what apt-get is able to get ?-)12:33
danielswood1: (my opinion is that choice is fantastic, but people shouldn't be *forced* to take them; my mum shouldn't have to decide between desktop environments, hotplug vs discover vs udevd, whtaever)12:34
rmwell... whole sarge is 14 CDs12:34
wood1Auther are you at the root console now12:34
rmapps sorted by popularity12:34
arthurwood1: yeah12:34
rmI am told that it's enough to have only first 3 CDs or so12:34
rmso maybe I'll download 3...5 first images12:35
wood1can you got to /var/lock ?12:35
arthurwood1: i deleted .X0-lock and no worked too12:35
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wood1do you have /var/lock/console ?12:36
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arthurwood1: what to do on /var/lock ?12:36
smoIt sounds like something's trying to launch X twice?  If it's getting as far as the nvidia logo, then atleast one X server had launched.  Why it's then trying to launch a second is bizzare12:36
arthurls /var/lock: apache2 and lvm12:37
Q-FUNKdaniels: now that you mention it, I'g getting tired of dvel changing its mind from hotplug->discover->udev wash/rince/repeat.12:37
wood1arthur, just type:   mkdir -p /var/lock/console12:37
arthurwood1: and now?12:37
arthursmo: yeah, it's exactly that12:38
wood1type:  touch /var/lock/console/YOUR_USERNAME12:38
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danielsQ-FUNK: 'dvel'?12:38
arthurwood1: ok12:39
Q-FUNKdevel :)12:39
wood1Now you can reboot the machine and hope that the problem will get solved12:39
arthurwood1: can u explain what i maded here?12:40
danielsQ-FUNK: er, we only had discover for the first month or so, while it was still internal; we used hotplug on the understanding that it was only a stopgap and that we'd do better for hoary, and we are, with udevd12:40
Q-FUNKdaniels: udev is a real mess.  I don't like it at all.  it breaks gpm.12:41
jdubudev *rocks*12:41
tuxJr_14Q-FUNK: can elaborate: "it breaks gpm"12:42
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danielsQ-FUNK: you dislike udev because gdm doesn't work with it, in some non-specific manner?12:42
tuxJr_14s/can/can you12:42
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Q-FUNKdaniels: if I use udev, X cannot find gpmdata12:43
Tsjoklatsjoerd needs a gf.. a dog.. a teddybear?12:43
Q-FUNKdaniels: if I remove udev, X suddenly can find gpmdata.12:43
arthurwood1: ?12:44
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wood1Well we just created a console for the Username12:44
arthurwood1: i'll try here....12:45
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Q-FUNKdaniels: so... I would hardly call that a non-specific abstract dislike.12:48
tuxJr_14one question: does the ubuntu website really need https?12:48
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arthurwood1: no worked12:48
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arthurwood1: but i have another info... first X loads at term 7, and one other on term 8. i get the error on the 8. i guess the nvidia logo appeared on term 712:49
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arthursmo: *this* is really bizarre!12:50
smoarthur: precisely why I'm butting out.  I can't see what'd cause that, so I'm little help12:50
danielsQ-FUNK: so you need one line to tell udev about gpmdata, or whatever.12:50
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arthurchmod -x to prevent gdm from load at boot?12:51
Q-FUNKdaniels: probably, yes.12:52
danielsQ-FUNK: ...12:52
smoarthur: odd question, but are there any other *dm's in /etc/init.d/  ?12:52
arthursmo: nope12:53
arthurbut i get gdm and xfree86-common, this is ok, right?12:53
smoI have both, and my machine appears sane12:53
arthurchmod -x gdm, i'll restart now, and see what happens12:54
kokemaybe "echo /bin/true >  /etc/X11/default-display-manager" ??12:56
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arthurok, now gdm don't loaded at boot (of course), but running: /etc/ini.d/gdm start i get the same error, so, i guesse the problem is with gdm12:59
arthurand other thig: after bootup, i get this message: /etc/init.d/rc: line 30 /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm: Permission denied01:00
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smoThat one's easy .. you just did -x on it, so when it tried to execute it, it's no longer allowed01:01
arthursmo: right.... but what should i do now? install another graphical login? reinstall gdm?01:02
smoWhen it tells you there's already a server running, can you alt+F7 to that server?  ie, is it really running?01:02
arthursmo: when go to tty7 i just get an mouse01:03
arthurmaybe /etc/init.d/gdm is trying to reload X?01:04
smobeats me .. I'm just grasping at straws because it felt better than ignoring you in silence :/  I can't for the life of me figure out why gdm would try to launch X more than once01:05
smo(I've had it set to do that in the past, but it openned them on different displays without being told to.  It does it well if it does it on purpose)01:07
arthursmo: ok, thanks! i'm installing xdm now, i guess the problem will be solved for now... my parents don't know how to stop gdm, and startx to get gnome working... :)01:07
arthuri'll restart now with xdm to see if this will work01:08
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arthuras expected with xdm it worked...01:12
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jdubreminder, meeting simulcast in #ubuntu-meeting01:17
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Tsjoklatjdub I take it that that isn't for me :P01:19
jdubit's for everyone01:19
Tsjoklatwhat is it about jdub?01:20
SimiraRosetta, translation tool01:20
jdubsee https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MataroSessionsWorkshops01:20
Tsjoklatoh interesting01:20
Tsjoklatwhen is this meeting?01:20
Simiranow :)01:21
jdubit's been going since this morning :)01:21
jdubsee /topic too :)01:21
TsjoklatI saw it jdub but I thought it was for Mataro ppl only01:21
jdubit's for not mataro people01:21
jdubbecause mataro people are right here already :)01:22
Tsjoklatah duh then jdub :P01:22
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wood1Who are the exact audience for the #ubuntu-meeting ?01:29
SimiraUbuntu-community people and Canonical-people01:30
Tsjoklatthe queen of England :P01:30
Tsjoklatvery interesting wood101:30
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wood1Well what do I really need to create my own customized version of Ubuntu ?01:31
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wood1Well I guess that that meeting is for advanced developers having extensive knowledge of some programming languages01:32
jarougsomebody can say me in which package are xcompmgr and transset under ubuntu hoary ?01:33
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wood1Why am I having problems in my typing box as I type my words01:34
wood1If I go back a few words and then type something, the next words gets deleted instead of shifting to the right01:35
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StoneChuckerhave you pressed your 'insert' key by misktake?01:35
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Solatishey all :)01:36
Solatisi couldn't find a direct anwser of this on the website: it is said that Ubuntu is based on debian, does it also have a package-management compared to debian (such as apt), or is it solely based on 6-months releases ?01:37
jarougis there a packages web search engine for ubuntu ?01:37
Simirayou have apt-get and synaptic01:37
Simirasynaptic is graphical and very nice01:37
jarougSimira: i'm not on ubuntu01:38
jarougthat's why i ask this :)01:38
Simirait's an answer to Solatis as well01:38
Simiraabout web, I'm not sure01:38
SolatisSimira: haha thanks :)01:38
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jarougSimira: otherwise can you tell me in which package are xcompmgr and transset ?01:39
Simirajaroug: not in ubuntu myself now01:39
jarougarg :)01:39
jarougSolatis: are u in ubuntu ?01:40
Solatisi think i'm gonna switch from gentoo to ubuntu on my workstation for a while... i don't know, after 3 years of gentoo i feel like something new... and it's going to be a relief not having to compile all the time :)01:40
Solatisjaroug: nahhh, i'm in Gentoo right now01:40
wood1Gentoo Linux is great for learning Linux but bad for your daily work01:41
jarougpeople on #ubuntu aren't in ubuntu01:41
jarougi may have to serach in #freebsd01:41
Solatiswood1: mwoah i don't know, it does the trick for me... but indeed, the learning curve was awesome and you learn a lot from it01:42
wood1You spend more time maintaining your Gentoo System rather than doing your daily works01:42
wood1But what happens after you have reached the peak of that learning curve ?01:42
danielsguys, offtopic!01:43
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wood1Anyway, Solatis, you probably did a good thing installing Gentoo01:43
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jarougdaniels: are u in ubuntu ?01:43
danielsjaroug: yeah01:44
wood1I have always tried installing a source based Linux distro01:44
wood1Solatis, by the way, have you installed other source based Linux distro besides Gentoo ?01:45
jarougdaniels: \o/ yeah \o/ can u say me in wich package are transset and xcompmgr (i'm not in ubuntu)01:45
lamont_rwood1: still pretty off topic...01:45
Solatiswood1: yeah i've done LFS and slackware too01:45
danielsjaroug: if you're using hoary, just in 'transset' and 'xcompmgr' respectively01:45
Solatisbut indeed, o/t :)01:45
danielsjaroug: but they're not in warty01:45
jarougdaniels: arf i'm in debian and hoary's source, i install xorg, but i can't find tose packages :/01:46
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jarougand add*01:47
danielsjaroug: you need to enable 'universe'01:47
wood1Solatis, What is the exact reason for you to desert Gentoo for Ubuntu ?01:47
Solatiswood1: what i said earlier... really, i've been working with gentoo for 3 years now, and i want to try something new01:48
jarougdaniels: what ?01:48
Solatisi really like package management, but i don't like the debian community01:48
Solatisubuntu seems fresh and new01:48
Solatisi like to try it, i really attach a lot of value to a distro's community01:49
Q-FUNKjaroug: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse01:49
wood1I see Solatis01:50
jarougokai Q-FUNK thx01:50
jarougdaniels: thx01:50
wood1Solatis, guess what, I am  trying to do the opposite01:50
Solatiswood1: :)01:51
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Solatissheesh... how i missed an installer while setting up the distro :)01:54
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kentSolatis, and the one in Ubuntu is kind of good aswell. My brother is no computer-geek, but i helped him install Ubuntu over the phone. :)01:58
Solatiscool, that must mean something :)01:59
Rawplayerye a high telephone bill02:01
Rawplayerthat does it mean ;)02:01
Q-FUNKJoey has been making a lot of network installation tests recently. I really ought to try that soon.02:02
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EinzelgangerI have warty installed but want some hoary packages (like gtk2-easytag). I have added hoary and warty repisotories in synaptic and set "warty" to the default distribution in the settings. Now if go to a package and do force-version to the hoary-version, and click apply, I see the "latest version" of the package jump for a second to the hoary one, and then back to the warty one, and if I try to install it installs the warty version. Am02:02
Einzelganger I doing something wrong, or is this is (known/solved ?) bug02:02
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SolatisRawplayer: huh, you here too ? :)02:03
kentEinzelganger, i dont think you should mix hoary and warty.02:04
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CredHello. Is there a tool like The All Seeing Eye or GameSpy for Ubuntu?02:19
CredAh, google is my friend again.02:20
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ulissehi channel02:24
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CredOk another question, I'm having trouble getting ATI to work with games. fglrxinfo tells me that all modules have been loaded, 3D apps work the way they should..02:26
ulisseI'm trying to install ubuntu warty on a new pc, wit an Abit MoBo, and I get an error:02:26
ulisseUbuntu seems to be unable to find cdrom during install02:27
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FCCcan anyone help with a networking problem?02:32
mjrpossibly, if you ask02:33
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FCCwell, i can see my puter on my wondows network,02:34
FCCbut when i try to connect to my Ubuntu system, it asks for a username and password02:34
FCCany suggestions?02:34
FCCleaving it blank does no good02:35
FCCusing my ubuntu sign in name does no good02:35
mjrokay, windows stuff, then I don't know much02:35
Solatishmmm, should printing be automatically configured on ubuntu using cups, or should i do some manual things ?02:35
FCCyeah, i figured it had to do with ubuntu asking for a login name02:35
scoonFCC prolly cuz you did not add your user to the samba passwd list02:36
mjrSolatis, you probably want to go computer / system settings / printing02:36
FCClet me check02:36
scoonFCC do a man smbpasswd02:36
FCCscoon, sorry newbie02:36
mjrbut I don't know if it should do something automagic, as I don't have a printer :)02:36
scoonFCC what are you sorry for02:36
scoonFCC did you KILL someone02:36
scoon? ? ?02:37
FCCnot understanding what you meant by doing a man smbpasswd02:37
scoonopen up a terminal02:37
FCCok, there02:37
scoonand type man smbpasswd02:37
scoonman is the command for manpages02:37
scoonwhich is short for manual02:37
scoonyes read02:37
scoonthe best/worst part about linux02:37
scoonso to get more used to it02:37
FCCok, i see it now02:37
scoonreadover man man02:38
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ulisseUbuntu seems to be unable to find cdrom during install, someone can help me?02:46
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jordiulisse: what kind of motherboard?02:48
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ulissejordi, Abit Guru02:48
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FCCsudo nano -w /etc/samba/smb.conf02:49
ulissejordi, Guru with an "m" in front, like the symbol for "micro"02:49
FCCedited for file sharing02:49
jordihmm, do you know what IDE hw it has, what module is it loading?02:49
FCCadded my username to the list02:49
FCCand i'm all set!02:49
FCCthanks guys!02:49
StevenRquick question, if i remove gnome from ubuntu, how much of it will fail to work (admin tools, etc)? How difficult is it to replace kdm as login manager, and kde as default desktop?02:50
ulissejordi, I tried the modules suggested by ubuntu in the manual config, but with no results02:50
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ulissejordi, wait a minute, I'll retry and tell you the message02:50
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jordiulisse: sorry, gotta go, my battery is about to die any minute.02:52
ulissejordi, it says that are missing ide-mod and ide-probe-mod02:52
jordiulisse: I dont know if this is fixed in Warty; try to boot, switch to console 2 and "modprobe ide-generic" before doing anything else.02:52
ulisseok, thank you02:53
KamionStevenR: we have some people working on a KDE variant of Ubuntu at the moment02:53
StevenRKamion: cool :D02:53
jordiulisse: maybe Kamion can tell you if the sata driver capturing normal ide controllers was fixed in warty, I have to pwoerdown.02:53
StevenRKamion: but that doesn't answer my question02:53
KamionStevenR: I don't know how easy it is; most of the desktop-level admin tools are GNOME, so you'd have to replace them02:53
ulissejordi, thank you very much02:54
StevenRahh ok02:54
Kamionulisse: I have no idea on that I'm afraid02:54
KamionStevenR: we'll be more likely to be able to answer that question in a month or two02:54
StevenRok, thanks Kamion02:55
ulisseKamion, I think the MoBo is too young... maybe i'll install hoary on April...02:55
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Solatishmmm, is NFS available by default in ubuntu?03:21
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Solatisah, installing nfs-common did the trick :)03:23
Pacchiohow can install eciadsl for ubuntu?03:23
hearsayPacchio: apt-get install eciadsl (?)03:29
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Pacchiobut without eciadsl where i get?03:30
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hearsayPacchio: ?03:30
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Pacchioapt-get download from internet or not03:31
llun_vedhello guys03:31
hearsayPacchio: you don't have a /etc/apt/sources.list do you?03:32
hearsayPacchio: type the following: "apt-get install eciadsl  -s"03:33
hearsayPacchio: the -s is for testing, nothing is really installed, try it03:34
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llun_vedi have a question regarding USB and ZIP drive. The prototype system I installed it onto will not see these devices. I am have been using Linux (redmond free) since Oct 2003 and know how to add devices to fstab. But these alterations did not work. Any suggestions?03:34
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erichdaniels: Hi, thanks for your strace. I somehow managed to strace my xserver. But it didn't improve my boot time much - the lastest graph (45 seconds) uses this information. still my original boot time of 30 seconds was a lot better.03:35
kenthearsay, Pacchio,  eciadsl is in universe. If you dont have a working modem then you cant get it, and since eciadsl is supposed to make the modem work, its a big problem :(03:36
danielserich: typically works much better on starting a new server (i.e. sudo strace -e file -o foo Xorg :1, from within an existing session)03:36
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danielswhatever you do, don't gdb it from the same machine; you catch a signal, gdb halts the x server, so you can't switch away to gdb to continue it03:36
danielsreadahead is a very fickle beast03:37
danielsif you run it after the apps that need the stuff read ahead are run, you lose, obviously03:37
danielsand if you're doing it *while* you're doing other disk-slamming io, you've already lost03:37
hearsaykent: how would you chat without net access?03:38
daniels(you'll note on our charts that we run it in parallel with hotplug -- on thom's machine, which actually runs it, unlike scott's -- so we get hotplug slamming other resources and sleeping, while readahead slams the disk, uncontended)03:38
erichdaniels: yes, that was what i did, run gdm with an xvnc, and startx.03:38
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erichdaniels: my init is highly parallelized, that probably is why it actually gets worse with readahead03:39
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kenthearsay, i dont use eciadsl, but my brother once had to use it. And he had that problem, since ubuntu dont ship ecidadsl, which he needed to get the net working. He got tired of his modem and bought a real ethernet-modem instead. It seems like a bad idea not to have eciadsl in main, since some people need it to get universe.03:41
danielserich: cups seems to be quite horrific03:41
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erichyeah, i was considering delaying startup of cups, mysql and apache to get my login screen faster.03:42
erichbut my init doesn't really have a concept of delaying things right now... i could of course just insert a "sleep" at the right place.03:42
llun_vedhmm ... i guess i don't know the secret salute03:43
pb2371hi guys, this might be just a general linux question or maybe with ubuntu it works different. How do I change runlevel? In other words, how do I make sure I can start the system and it will stay in single user mode?03:44
BlacKnight|hey, could someone try to dcc me a file please?03:44
pb2371this is something I would like to do in order to perform some maintenance03:44
kentpb2371, /etc/inittab03:45
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pb2371kent: I know that but what else?03:45
BlacKnight|any file03:45
BlacKnight|i need to test whether bitchx and firewall work03:45
pb2371just edit id:5 to id:1?03:45
Solatishow come i get this message when trying to do any root-related setup:03:45
Solatis``Failed to rund gdmsetup as user root: Child terminated with 1 status"03:46
Solatisand when i run it directly as root:03:46
Solatisroot@solatis3:~ # gdmsetup03:46
Solatis(gdmsetup:22602): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:03:46
kentpb2371  change tho id:1 yes.03:46
Solatisroot@solatis3:~ #03:46
pb2371BlacKnight|: ok go on03:46
pb2371kenthanks I'll try03:46
pb2371kent: thanks I'll try03:47
BlacKnight|go on?03:47
pb2371BlacKnight|: do you want to send or receive?03:47
pb2371I am willing to do but don't know how with chatzilla03:48
erichdaniels: is there a way to order files by the sequence they are stored on the disc, or maybe a kernel interface to monitor file accesses?03:48
kentBlacKnight|, i can send if you want to.03:48
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pb2371kent: you may as well tell me how to do that?03:49
BlacKnight|yes please03:49
kentpb2371, im using x-chat. Its just a matter of clickong on a user and choosing "send file" :)03:49
kentBlacKnight|, seems to work :)03:50
kentBlacKnight|, btw, its a cool sound to use as default in gaim :)03:50
danielserich: the ideal case is xfs, where you have an online repacker, so you can tell the kernel to make a certain group of files contiguous on-disk03:50
BlacKnight|why dosesnt xdcc work when i try to d/l from xdcc channels?03:50
BlacKnight|is there a diff b/w xdcc and dcc?03:50
BlacKnight|anyway i'm going tgo sleep03:52
erichdaniels: that would be a reason to switch to xfs. ;-)03:52
kentBlacKnight| godnight03:52
danielserich: aye03:52
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xukunwhat do I need to change to get those smal nice fonts during ubuntu boot messages?03:54
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punkrockguy318hey i'm thinking about switching to ubuntu but i have some questions03:55
punkrockguy318does ubuntu add menu icons on application installation?03:55
punkrockguy318why not all the time?03:55
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magnuscanis? - still, it's easy enough to add your own03:55
punkrockguy318and did ubuntu come up with a cd burning solution besides nautilus?03:56
magnuscanisnot sure, haven't explored that side of things yet but I'm fairly sure there are alternatives available03:56
punkrockguy318is gnucash available? or some other money management system?03:56
magnuscanisI've only been using Ubuntu for just over a week myself, btw.03:56
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mjrgnucash is available in universe03:57
punkrockguy318do you find the universe packages stable?03:57
magnuscanisI've not had any problems with them yet :)03:57
Solatis.. anyone has any idea why all root-administrative programs don't work on my system ? I really didn't do anything special with it yet, didn't mess with any permissions or so03:57
Solatisroot@solatis3:~ # gdmsetup03:57
Solatis(gdmsetup:4039): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:03:57
Solatisroot@solatis3:~ #03:57
Pacchiohearsay, now i'm at work03:58
mjrdid you do a su - ?03:58
magnuscanisSolatis, are you using sudo?03:58
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Solatisno i am not using sudo at the moment, but when i use sudo it does it too; it doesn't load it from the menu either03:58
Pacchioi've downloaded eciadsl.....deb03:58
punkrockguy318hmm i might give ubuntu a try03:59
Pacchioand dpkg -i .....03:59
magnuscanisI can understand it not working without sudo :) but I'm mystified otherwise03:59
punkrockguy318arch is nice... but there really isn't enough developers03:59
magnuscanispunkrockguy318, Ubuntu is certainly worth a look03:59
magnuscanisIt's my favourite distro so far (admittedly not looked at v. many)03:59
punkrockguy318magnuscanis, i installed it on my buddy's pc and it seemed nice03:59
punkrockguy318my mother wants to use linux... and arch wouldn't be for her04:00
punkrockguy318it's not reliable enough04:00
Solatiswhat's the default password for sudo ?04:00
Solatisit's not the same as for su - :)04:00
magnuscanisSolatis, it should be your own user password that you set up on first install04:00
Solatiswhich kind of... ehrm... looks strange :)04:00
Solatisahhh ok04:00
punkrockguy318Debian unstable was just too confusing... even for a linux expert04:00
Solatisahhh crap that explains all those admin tools not working04:00
Solatisi was using the root password :)04:01
magnuscanisI'm surprised there is one, unless you set it specifically04:01
Solatisi set it, i personally don't like sudo...04:01
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punkrockguy318how do you compare ubuntu to fedoracore3?04:01
Solatisas in, i don't like having to type sudo in front of every command04:01
hearsayPacchio: everything allright now?04:02
Pacchionow i'm at work tonight try at home04:02
Solatisbesides, i want to maintain my linux systems generic - in all the other systems i su -, it would be 'weird' to do su -s -H (or what was it) on the ubuntu workstation :)04:02
magnuscanisSolatis, I'm getting used to sudo although I still prefer su for some stuff (e.g. if I want to run several root commands together)04:02
Pacchiowhere is the conf for eciadsl?04:03
Solatisyeah exactly, and when i'm setting up my system like right now, i really want that a lot :)04:03
magnuscanisI have set up a root password so that I have both options available but I use sudo most of the time04:03
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mike998I find that sudo su is useful if I am going to be doing a fair bit of admin on my system04:03
reformedsudo bash for me04:04
Pacchiois there an how to for ubuntu and eciadsl???04:04
thenukewhat is eciadsl :I04:04
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Pacchiomodem adsl drivers04:04
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magnuscanisI hadn't thought of doing sudo su :-/04:05
magnuscanisor sudo bash04:05
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pb2371BlacKnight|: do you mind a quick send "test"04:07
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CredIf installing new versions with dpkg should old version be removed first? I'm trying to update ATI drivers.04:09
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wezzerhello all04:09
wezzerhow do you do?04:09
kentCred, if you update with synaptic or apt then it should be upgraded automatic.04:10
magnuscaniswezzer, I'm fine thanks.  And you?04:11
wezzerfine :)04:11
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wezzerjust came from a flight04:11
Credkent, this I'm going to do manually. Downloaded an package from (apparently) daniels homepage (fglrtx).04:11
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kentCred, i just read the man-page for dpkg, and although im not sure, it  seems like dpkg will remove the old and upgrade to the new.04:13
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Nivlemogra: You up and about?04:14
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Credkent, I was unsure about that too. It's lacking command "upgrade" so I guess it's safe to just install "over" the old.. Well, I'll try.04:15
NivlemCan anyone explain how it would be possible that mac-fdisk shows /dev/sdb and the partition map when this device isn't plugged in and hasn't been since before reboot this morning?04:15
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kentCred, try it and see how it goes. Just do a "dpkg -l" and see if you find two versions there :)04:16
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Credkent, nope. Only one, seems to be working. I need to .. reboot (since it's fglrx) to see if it really works..04:17
kentCred, press "ctrl+alt+backspace". You dont need to reboot to restart X (and the drivers for it).  Perhaps logout first.04:19
llun_vedHehe. It took me months to get out of the "Reboot" mentality after any system change.04:21
llun_vedThen I learned life was actually plesant.04:21
kentits not realy the worlds most worst thing to reboot,  but its some times realy not needed.04:22
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llun_vedkent: I have a 120 clients and three servers. Only one is a Linux box in a closed MS shop. I really despize "reboots"04:24
NivlemWhere would ubuntu be getting bad information about devices attached to it via firewire? hotplug, or udev04:24
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MarceldebianHi. Where do you find the changelogs for Hoary packages ? Thanks04:25
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Solatisanyone knows where to get this wallpaper ?04:25
kentllun_ved, my biggest problem is when i have azureus or something like that running a download of, like say..a good movie (The young once!). Those times i realy hate it when i need to reboot.04:26
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Credkent, I've got problems ;)04:29
llun_vedIt is almost sheer joy to come home to my Linux box. I currently drive Slackware with Dropline GNOME. I am seriously looking at Ubuntu. My only issues have been wiith an internal Zip drive and a USB Flashdrive.04:30
llun_vedI believe the design behind Ubuntu is on the right track for professional-level Linux.04:32
Nivlemllun_ved: Well all I can say is that Ubuntu picked up all 3 of my firewire devices that are connected externally through a hub..worked great..don't think you will have any problems...04:32
kentCred, the driver is not working?04:32
Credkent, [fglrx:firegl_unlock]  *ERROR* Process 5148 using kernel context 004:33
CredI guess the driver would work but something is mixed up..04:33
wezzerhey, does ubuntu's kernel work with ati drivers ok?04:33
kentCred, perhaps try to reboot? it might be that it uses a kernel module that needs to be reloaded?  Im not an expert ;)04:33
Credkent, I tried rebooting. Two times already..04:34
llun_vedI am impressed that Ubuntu doesn't have massive over bloat. Albeit it was my first "Debian" install.04:34
llun_vedThe decompression of files took me by surprise.04:35
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cuserhello everyone04:35
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kentCred, revert to the old drivers, perhaps?04:35
cuserI just got a copy of the software and I am yet to try it04:35
Gwildorwhat are you waiting for?04:36
cusercan anyone tell me what kind of packages it supports04:36
MarceldebianNo one knows where I can access the changelog for a particular ubuntu package ?04:36
Gwildorcuser, .deb04:36
cuserI tried the live cd and really I am impressed04:36
cuseris it very good for networking and development04:37
cuserthanks Gwildor04:37
Gwildoridk.....one computer....dont develop04:37
Gwildornp :)04:37
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cuserso assuming I want to develope on it where do i get necessary packages to install04:38
Gwildorcuser, synaptic......apt-get04:38
originalbrownstedoes anyone know if BT still use usb cable modems please?04:38
cuserpls Gwildor dont get what is synaptics04:39
Brennosjust wondering is the ppc64 platform supported under Ubuntu?04:39
Gwildorcuser, GUI for apt-get04:39
GwildorBrennos, yup04:39
GwildorBrennos, sorry.....there is ppc...so i think so04:39
Gwildorg5's are 64 bit.......it should go04:40
Gwildorg4'2 are too...arent they04:40
Brennosg4's are 32bit04:40
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Credkent, kent now it works.04:41
Credkent, I didn't update linux-restricted04:41
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GwildorBrennos, g4 is 6404:42
originalbrownsteIve got a mate who is about to try ubuntu (i already use it) but thought I would check out if it can detect and install drivers for usb modems so anyone using one please?04:42
llun_vedoh good lord. doesn't this moron know i check my system logs. brb. got to drop someone.04:42
GwildorBrennos, look here     http://www.apple-history.com/noframes/body.php?page=gallery&model=g4_quicksilver04:42
GwildorData Path: 64 bit04:43
jdubgood morning freedom lovers04:43
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Rotundanyone know if hoary's new kernel includes inotify support?04:46
CredToo bad BF1942 still crashes :(04:46
miausXno idea Rotund04:46
kentGwildor, usb-modems are a hell for all linux distributions.  You will have to use the  eciadsl-driver, and its realy hard.  (If you meen usb-modems, like non-ethernet modems.)04:46
kentOhmer, that should have been to originalbrownste and not Gwildor :(04:47
Gwildortis ok :)04:47
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miausXhum... I'm trying to run bootlogd, I have enabled it in /etc/default/bootlogd, but I see that Ubuntu uses a "new console device" (major 5, minor 1). In the man page, section bugs, the author sais that I need to append a line to the kernel boot options, console=<something>04:48
kenthaha,  and i wrote the last message to ohmer, which i didn't meen to. haha, im tired :)04:48
originalbrownstekent, thanks, I remember in the past seeing posts about it being difficult and wondered if it had become any easier, I guess his best bet then is to get a compatible adsl router04:49
originalbrownstekent, he's never used linux before and i want it to work for him04:49
kentoriginalbrownste, or getting an ethernet-modem. I think the companys doing the usb-modems dont release specs and stuff, so making drivers is hard :(04:49
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miausXany idea about what should I put in console=? please, excuse my bad english ;)04:50
originalbrownstekent, yes with a standard ethernet connecter04:51
kentoriginalbrownste, that sounds as if it will work. After the internet is working, using ubuntu is very easy :)04:51
RotundmiausX: it goes in your grub.conf04:51
RotundIt should be under boot I believe04:51
miausXRotund, humm... yes, I know, I put that on /boot/grub/menu.lst, but I don't know what to put in console=04:52
Rotundsorry, they haven't updated yet.  it's in /boot/grub/menu.lst04:52
miausXhehehe, yes :)04:52
Rotundoh =)04:52
RotundI don't know that part.  I thought it had said04:52
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originalbrownstekent, yep it sure is, I was amazed how it detected everything on my computer correctly - particularly my internal usb 7in1 card reader - it just worked!!!04:53
originalbrownstekent, Im not used to such luxuries :)04:53
miausXRotund, I'll try console=/dev/tty1 (and pray) ;D04:53
Rotundthere ya go04:54
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kentoriginalbrownste, i dont have much devices, but those i have work well :)04:56
originalbrownstekent, what did you use before ubuntu?04:56
kentoriginalbrownste, Fedora Core. it workes good aswell, but i like ubuntu better.04:57
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originalbrownstekent, ah Fedora Core, I nearly gave that another go, I hadn't tried it since they'd introduced 'yum' package management, before that at least rpm systems where hell.  I always loved Debian so when I heard about Ubuntu I had to try it and now I'm sold on it!04:59
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kentoriginalbrownste, my only problems is that it boots very slow, :(05:01
Hikaru79Hey, can anyone think of a Linux distribution who's LiveCD comes with Sun's Java compiler? (And preferrably some sort of IDE, but not neccesarily)?05:01
scoonHikaru79, no05:01
Hikaru79=( None?05:01
scoonHikaru79, good luck getting one with that as well05:01
kentHikaru79, dont sun have a live cd now?  it might come with suns java  ;)05:02
scoonHikaru79, maybe you would find one w/ one of the free java's05:02
Hikaru79=O Sun have a LiveCD? For Solaris, you mean?05:02
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jdonganyone alive in here?05:04
originalbrownsteim hangin on!05:04
kentHikaru79, http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2004-January/009336.html    i have not found the livecd (just did a quick search now) but that page mentions it..05:05
originalbrownsteim recovering from my company xmas do - ive been ill for the last 12 hours :(05:05
foo_ hi all, someone could tell me how to set up a dialup connecton with beatrix?05:06
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Hikaru79foo_, try #beatrix05:07
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Gwildorfoo_, getting the run around??05:08
Gwildorfoo_, no help in knoppic?05:08
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Gwildororiginalbrownste, it is a knoppix/ubuntu based live cd with gnome2.805:09
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originalbrownsteGwildor, ah05:10
Gwildororiginalbrownste, thats is beatrix, the cat is the logo, and also shares the name05:10
Hikaru79|BreakfaThanks, kent :)05:10
Hikaru79|BreakfaAt least I know what to look for now05:10
Gwildorthere is another cat oscar........the server for beatrix is oskartix05:11
originalbrownsteyour kidding me right?05:11
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Hikaru79|Breakfano, originalbrownste, he's serious :P But oskartix hasn't been released yet05:11
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originalbrownsteah, vapour ware, :)05:12
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Gwildororiginalbrownste, the plan is to have workstations with flash drives, with no free space, and save all of your work on the server05:12
Gwildororiginalbrownste, would b for like an office05:13
Gwildorbut bea is usable at home as well..............not default like that05:13
Gwildororiginalbrownste, http://watsky.net/05:14
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Gwildororiginalbrownste, http://www.watsky.net/next.html05:14
originalbrownsteGwildor, just reading the 'what is it' page, very interesting05:16
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Gwildororiginalbrownste, hmmm, the "what it is" lik sends me to downloads?05:17
originalbrownsteGwildor, http://www.watsky.net/whatisit.html05:18
originalbrownsteGwildor, its working for Me?05:18
nixmananyone knows where the kernel-source package ( is for the kernel that came with ubuntu (hoary) ? apt does not see any kernel-source-2.6.8.*05:19
jdubnixman: apt-cache search linux-source05:19
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llun_vedI was just reading an e-mail and it triggered a question. Is there a way to put Ubuntu on a USB falshdrive05:19
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StyXmanwow, so much people05:20
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StyXmanhi all05:20
StyXmansimple quetion:05:20
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wood1Hi to all05:21
StyXmanis it sane to mix debian/unstable with haory?05:21
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nixmanjdub, thanks05:21
Pacchioanyone use adsl usb modem with ubuntu?05:21
StyXmaner, hoary?05:21
wood1By the way guys, how many of you have already received the free Ubuntu CDs ?05:21
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kentStyXman, i would not do it.05:21
StyXmankent: aha?05:21
gangalinohow do you check the version of debian Warty Warthog is?05:21
StyXmanwood1: I know people in .ar and .uy who already received the cd's05:22
Pacchiowith fedora core 3 i have no problem for modem adsl usb05:22
Gwildorllun_ved, beatrix is working on it.....will be done soon...just working ouyt the bugs05:22
jdubgabe: cat /etc/lsb-release05:22
kentStyXman, well, ubuntu unstable have bleeding-edge packages, so why mix the two?05:22
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Pacchiobut ubuntu i want try it :)05:22
StyXmankent: hmm05:22
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StyXmankent: I think hoary as bleeding edge, and unstable as leading edge (i.e., just a little behind)05:23
wood1Amaranth, are you there ?05:23
StyXmanbut afaik unstable has more soft, is it so?05:23
Pacchiois there an italian here?05:23
kentStyXman, well, with ubuntu unstable i mean hoary, and mixing them seems like a bad idea, since i cant see what the other have that the other one dont. ?05:24
StyXmanPacchio: what modem? I've had problems with the amigo05:24
Pacchioericsson hm120dp05:24
wood1Well 50% of Internal modems don't work in Linux05:24
StyXmankent: you said ubuntu unstable?05:24
Pacchioexternal is05:24
wood1But 95% external modem's work well in Linux05:24
llun_vedGwildor, ty. I am new to Ubuntu. So I am not aware of who is working on what. From what I have seen and played with, I like what the Ubuntu development team are doing with this Linux.05:24
Pacchiohow install it?05:25
kentStyXman, i ment ubuntu hoary :)  Horary=unstable, sort of.05:25
wood1Install what ?05:25
Gwildorllun_ved, that was from #beatrix......it is a ubuntu/knoppix based live cd with gnome 2.805:25
Bobalamerwhat are the progam in ubuntu to setup the Xconf ?05:25
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Pacchiodriver modem05:25
tim1has anybody here some experience with beagle ?05:25
wood1Are you in your bash terminal ?05:25
StyXmaner, maybe hoary>=unstable? in package versions...05:25
Pacchionope now i'm at work05:26
Gwildorllun_ved, the dev hands in the room alot....name is oskar...something05:26
StyXmanand also, hoary has xorg :)05:26
gangalinohow do you find the debian version of warty?05:26
Pacchiobut i'll find u05:26
wood1So your home PC has Ubuntu installed05:26
wood1and you probably dual boot that with Windows05:26
StyXmangangalino: simple, is not debian05:26
Pacchioyes at home05:26
kentStyXman, dont get my wrong ubuntu hoary and debian unstable is not the same. I just ment that ubuntu hoary could be regarded as ubuntu unstable right now.05:26
wood1Well when you go back home, open the GNOME bash terminal05:27
Gwildorllun_ved, watsky.net if you want to read more05:27
StyXmankent: ok, let me see if i have the facts right05:27
Pacchiowood1 ok and after05:27
wood1Pacchio and login as root05:27
wood1or Just do:  sudo -s05:27
Pacchiodpkg -i eciadsl....?05:27
wood1After that05:27
wood1at the terminal $ type:    pppconfig05:28
StyXmandoes hoary have the same # of packages than unstable? unstable has ~16k now...05:28
wezzerhey, what kind of internet radios does gnome's music play? I didn't get .m3u station to work...05:28
kentStyXman, dont know that. But do you realy need all of them? I think not.05:28
StyXmanwood1: won't it be pppoeconf?05:28
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Pacchiobut i must install eciadsl?05:28
gangalinoubuntu is debian-based, right? I ask because I want to install a late version of aim05:29
wood1Are you using a Dial-Up modem or ISDN modem ?05:29
Pacchioat home adsl modem05:29
StyXmankent: well, not *all*, but I use debian becuase its soft availability05:29
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wood1Are you using the PPPoE protocol ?05:29
StyXmangangalino: switch to hoary then05:29
Pacchiowood1, i think yes05:29
gangalinohow about just answering my original question, which would simply let me install 1 package instead of upgrading the whole OS05:30
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StyXmangangalino: well, I mixed a little debian and ubuntu, but hasn't tested it very much05:30
jdongunfortunately lots of time, you can't do that05:30
StyXmanit *seems* to work05:30
jdongespecially as warty diverges from sid and hoary05:31
gangalinoI just remembered- uname -r05:31
Pacchiowhen i install the package eciadsl.deb i don't find the eciadsl-conf.tk05:31
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gangalinomuch simpler05:31
StyXmangangalino: that gives you kernel version05:31
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nodadaniels: ping05:31
StyXmanI have debian unstable, but uname -r gives me 2.4.19-via823705:32
gangalinohow do the ubuntu kernel versions match up against debian kernels?05:32
nodadaniels: bug #1503 has been marked a duplicate of #1258 (which was solved), but I still experience #1503.05:32
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nodagangalino: They have more features!05:32
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StyXmannoda: that's interesting05:33
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Treenakstim1: get 2.6.905:33
Treenakstim1: :)05:33
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Pacchiowood1, ...05:33
tim1tim@ubuntu ~ $ uname -r05:33
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nodammm, smp...05:33
gangalinothis is what I'm asking about- http://www.aim.com/get_aim/linux/latest_linux.adp?aolp=#features which 1 should I try to install?05:34
UrkeMMIhow I can change time of files in ubuntu?05:34
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originalbrownstecya all05:34
GotD0tgangalino: that version will probably have adds and be annoying, just use gaim05:34
nodagangalino: Why not use gaim? It's installed by default05:35
gangalinoI want to get file transfers and put up my buddy icon- real high-level stuff ya know05:35
nodagangalino: Gaim does that05:35
gangalinohow do I configure my own buddy icon?05:36
StyXmangangalino: take it as if it were a debian 3.0+05:36
nodagangalino: Edit your account05:36
danielsnoda: what sort of laptop do you have?05:36
nodadaniels: Dell Inspiron 600m, with Radeon 9000 Mobility05:36
danielsnoda: ok, you almost certainly are seeing #3300, then05:36
nodadaniels: Yes, but #3300 was fixed05:37
danielsin 2.6.9, yes05:37
nodadaniels: (and it *was* fixed, I don't get crashes any more)05:37
wood1Pacchio, how do you connect to the Internet with your modem from Home ?05:37
nodadaniels: So should I put a comment on #1503?05:37
wood1Treenaks, how are you ?05:38
gangalinothanks for helping an idiot like me out05:38
wood1are you there ?05:38
Treenakswood1: ish05:38
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wood1Well long time no see05:38
Pacchiowith windows for now05:38
danielsnoda: yeah.  does changing it to chvt 1, solve it for you?05:38
wood1How do  you connect to the Internet from Windows ?05:38
nodadaniels: One sec :)05:38
wood1Why don't you query your modem using: pppconfig ?05:39
nodadaniels: nope05:39
danielsnoda: and it works if you uncomment the chvt line?05:39
nodadaniels: Could it be that when the Radeon driver is unloaded the screen is turned on?05:40
wood1Does it show in the Device Manager list in>Computer>System Configuration> Device Manager ?05:40
danielsnoda: looks like it's just the radeonfb driver sucking05:40
danielsnoda: alternately, does it work if you change it to 'chvt 1; sleep 3'?05:40
nodadaniels: Works when I comment the chvt line05:40
wood1Treenaks, do you have any idea about openMosix Linux Clustering ?05:41
nodadaniels: You mean sleep 3; chvt 1? (the other doesn't work)05:41
Treenakswood1: yes, google.com05:41
nodadaniels: Neither works :)05:41
wood1You see, I have to look after some 12 Pentium II machines where I have installed Ubuntu Linux05:41
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wood1But the problem is that they are very slow and I was thinking about using Linux Clustering to lessen the burden05:42
nodadaniels: I have both radeon and vesafb modules loaded... is that normal?05:42
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danielsnoda: radeon is DRI for X05:42
nodadaniels: Okay, just checking :)05:43
danielsradeonfb might give you more joy than vesafb, but I can't remember how to enable it off the top of my head05:43
wood1So can somebody give me some hints about using some kind of Linux Clustering to use the 12 Linux machines into a single cluster05:43
nodadaniels: Hrm. Well, I don't really have that much time to play around right now, actually. I have a huge exam on Tuesday in a class I'm not doing well in :)05:44
wood1Pacchio, have you tried detecting your ISDN modem using:   ppppoeconf  ???05:44
nodadaniels: Should I reopen the bug, or should I just come here and bug you when I have more time? :)05:44
Pacchiopppoe = ethernet?05:45
wood1Pucchio, pppoeconf05:45
Pacchiofor ethernet modem05:45
danielsnoda: if you reopen, that's cool05:45
wood1Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet05:45
Pacchioit is05:45
nodadaniels: Okay, will do05:45
danielsnoda: cheers05:45
Pacchiomy modem is adsl usb05:46
wood1Well I think PPPoE is not your case05:46
wood1Just type: pppconfig05:46
nodadaniels: Thanks for your help. And now, I must go wrap my head around bode plots :)05:46
wood1And see if that program detects your USB Modem05:46
danielsnoda: g'luck with your exam05:46
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nodadaniels: Thanks :)05:46
Pacchiook wood105:46
Pacchiotonight i try05:47
Pacchionow i can't05:47
wood1Do you know the Port that your USB Modem connects in Windows ?05:47
jdongdaniels: while I'm here, are there any plans for a packages.ubuntu.com?05:47
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danielsjdong: not sure, sorry, but it would certainly be cool05:47
jdongyeah, definitely05:48
jdongdaniels: The winehq wine-20041201: any plans to put it in Hoary....05:48
jdongI don't like backporting apps to Warty that are newer than Hoary! LOL05:48
jdongbut it seems to be in nice working condition.05:49
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GotD0tdoes anybody know how to set the default browser to be firefox, but make it so it always opens on the same display... ive tried adding the -display=0.0 or w/e command to the default browser... and it works from my 0.1 display, but if i try to open a link from my 0.0 display it tries to open a new instance of firefox instead of opening in a new tab or window05:49
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jdongsomething about mozilla-x-remote-client or something like that??05:50
mjrI think you want to write a wrapper script that explicitly tells it to use .005:50
mjr(or try xinerama)05:50
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danielsjdong: again, i'm not sure, sorry; since it's in universe, it wouldn't be done by our core team, but i'm sure an eager packager from the community could jump in to help ...05:51
GotD0tmjr: well it always opens it up on the correct display, its just when it gets opened from .0 it tries to open another firefox instance05:51
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mjroh right, parse error05:52
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jdongdaniels: It's already packaged into a .deb specifically for Warty; I don't see much more effort than an upload to include it!05:52
GotD0tmjr: i dont like xinerama, i like my two distinct desktops05:52
jdongdaniels: discussion here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=674505:53
danielsjdong: looks pretty slick.  i'll check it out, kick me in a few days if i haven't done anything useful05:54
danielsx breaking time now05:54
jdonglol, go have fun!05:55
GotD0tdaniels: how about some acceleration fixing time ;-)05:55
jdongif you can find bin laden and fix the whole palestinian border thing too.....05:55
jdongwhat an act for humanity!05:55
jdong(I'll backport it to warty ;))05:55
Pacchiothat are the drivers05:56
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CaseysZ28_morning everyone05:59
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CaseysZ28_i have an amd64 machine and i want to install gkrellm but it is not in the repsoitories06:01
CaseysZ28_how would i do this?06:01
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jdongcan you apt-get source --compile it?06:02
CaseysZ28_i tried to download the source from freshmeat.net and compile it but it didn't work06:02
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CaseysZ28_i read in the forums that the sarge packages would work but i can't find those either06:03
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Fwiffodoes anyone know id the lrmi library is availible anywhere for ubuntu?06:06
FwiffoI can't seem to find a .deb for it06:06
CaseysZ28_does apt-get source --compile not download the dependencies?06:07
mjrno, apt-get build-dep for them06:07
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jcoventryi have successfully installed vlc and gnome-vlc onto Ubuntu linux...but when i select 'VLC for GNOME' from the Multimedia menu in the Applications list, nothing happens!06:10
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amathisjcoventry: try running it command line and see if it outputs errors06:12
jcoventryit does.06:13
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CaseysZ28_ok i have all of the dependencies but libgtop-dev06:18
CaseysZ28_and it is not in the repositories06:19
CaseysZ28_how to get it?06:19
wezzeranyone who'd like to help me with a soundcard problem?06:20
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CaseysZ28_what kind of card?06:21
wezzerI have 2 soundcards, one is integrated to motherboard and another is PCI-soundblaster-audigy06:21
CaseysZ28_modprobe emu10k106:21
wezzerproblem is, that there is no alsaconf in ubuntu so I can't define default-soundcard06:21
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wezzerso ubuntu sets integrated card to default, because it modprobes it first06:21
wezzerany ideas how can I set that it founds SB audigy first and sets that as a default-soundcard?06:22
CaseysZ28_try turning off the one on the board06:22
wezzerI need 2 soundcards06:22
wezzerthat's why I can't06:22
CaseysZ28_it set my sound blaster live first over my built on sound06:22
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CaseysZ28_does the audigy show up in the device manager?06:24
wezzeryes it does06:24
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CaseysZ28_try to apt-get install alsa-utils and see if that gives you alsaconf06:26
amathisjcoventry: what are the errors?06:26
wezzerCaseysZ28_: "alsa-utils is already the newest version."06:27
CaseysZ28_my card is using the OSS drivers06:27
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defunktanyone have quake3 working in ubuntu in here?06:28
wezzerCaseysZ28_: should I have universe added before apt-get install alsa-utils?06:28
CaseysZ28_i have universe and multiverse added and it gave me the same thing06:28
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jcoventryamathis: Illegal instruction06:30
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CaseysZ28_when you run alsamixer what card does it show for you?06:32
wezzermotherboard integrated one06:32
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zanniI have one problem whit the boot of ubuntu in one ubuntu06:36
GotD0twhat happens?06:36
zannionly boot the macos06:37
zannithe yaboot.conf is missing06:37
GotD0ti don't know about dual booting with OS X06:37
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zanni:( thanks...06:38
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fourstiHow do I open secure shell connection from outside?06:38
GotD0tyou need a SSH client and you need to know the IP of the server comp06:39
fourstiwe have all that information, how do i enable that specific port?06:40
GotD0tare you behind a router?06:40
mjrhave you installed openssh-server?06:41
mjrif not, install it06:41
GotD0twhat type of router?06:41
GotD0tfoursti: look in the doccumentation for your router on how to enable port forwarding06:41
fourstiwe installed ssh-server, we know how to configure the router is there a port we have to open for the server itself? is it 2206:41
fourstiHow do I start ssh-server on my linux?06:43
GotD0tit is 2206:43
GotD0tbut i suggest openssh-server06:43
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GotD0tlook at the man pages for it06:44
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fourstiWe got openssh-server. I will read man pages on how to start it.  Thanks for help.06:46
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jdub^ theora stream06:50
Treenaksjdub: poke a hole in the firewall! :)_06:51
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pluesch0revening! is it possible to execute 32-bit code when running amd64?06:52
pluesch0rin ubuntu, that is ..06:52
Treenakspluesch0r: that depends on the 32-bit code and how it's linked and everything06:53
pluesch0rTreenaks: i'm merely thinking 'bout the macromedia flash plugin. ;)06:54
moquistanybody here speak French?06:54
pluesch0rsince i can compile anything else on my own.06:54
Treenaksmoquist: ask again in #ubuntu-fr06:54
Treenakspluesch0r: you don't need to compile, get the packages from universe06:54
moquistTreenaks: might have better luck there, yeah.  :)06:54
Treenakspluesch0r: and I think flash is one of the "notably unsupported" packages06:54
Treenaksmoquist: :)06:54
jcoventrycan anyone help me06:54
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Treenaksjcoventry: that depends on the problem :)06:55
maruensomebody could help me how to install xfce in ubuntu?06:55
mjrpluesch0r, eg. the openoffice package does that, but it's kinda kludgish; if you really need to run 32-bit packages, your best bet is to probably set up a 32-bit chroot environment06:55
jcoventryi have successfully installed vlc and gnome-vlc onto Ubuntu linux...but when i select 'VLC for GNOME' from the Multimedia menu in the Applications list, nothing happens!06:55
pluesch0ri see .. well, that's the same problem as on debian, then.06:55
mjrpluesch0r, basically yes06:56
izjcoventry, try to start it in a terminal a watch what happens06:56
jcoventryi get an error06:56
izjcoventry, what sort of error?06:56
jcoventryiz, the error is "Illegal Instruction"06:56
pluesch0rmjr: when asking in the debian-channel, the answer to the question when 32bit-binary-support would be added in the amd64-tree was "after sarge" .. is there any information when this will be possible on ubuntu?06:57
Treenakspluesch0r: in hoary :)06:57
Treenakspluesch0r: (i.e. after warty ;))06:57
mjrI don't know spesifics06:58
pluesch0rTreenaks: yeah well, hoary can already be installed.06:58
mjr(will it really be in hoary?)06:58
Treenakspluesch0r: it's not done yet06:58
Q-FUNKpluesch0r: if you dare try Hoardy, simply substitute all occurences of warty in sources.list, it's already there although it's a moving target.06:58
pluesch0rTreenaks: is it planned?06:58
Treenaksmjr: I think it might be06:58
Treenakspluesch0r: not really as a goal06:58
pluesch0rQ-FUNK: i know, did that. broke my system nicely. :)06:58
Treenakspluesch0r: more as a "would be nice if"06:58
pluesch0ri see.06:58
Q-FUNKpluesch0r: ouch06:58
pluesch0rQ-FUNK: ah well, i expected it.06:59
Q-FUNKtried pinning warty as higher priority in apt/preferences?06:59
pluesch0rno, i re-installed warty.06:59
pluesch0rand my laptop will stay on warty.07:00
jcoventrywell, iz??07:00
Q-FUNKhere, I've got the whole sheebang in my sources, and use apt/preferences to sort out the priorities between testing/unstable/experimental/warty/hoary.07:00
Treenaksjcoventry: I have no idea07:00
izjcoventry, sorry07:01
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jcoventryif only Totem Movie Player had QuickTime support...07:02
thomasvsjdub: ping ?07:02
pluesch0rso .. what do i need to do to watch flashed webpages on amd64? re-install ubuntu/386 all over again?07:02
thomasvsjcoventry: FREEDOM !07:02
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CraHanis there something I can do to get the gnome menu working correctly again?07:06
CraHanas an intermediate solution?07:06
Riddelljcoventry: it should do with the xine backend07:06
jcoventryriddell, english?:P07:06
Riddelljcoventry: install totem-xine and w32codecs (the last one comes from the marillat repository)07:08
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choisyhi there07:09
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izjcoventry, try http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html07:09
jcoventryok, riddell.07:10
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jcoventryok, checking the link, iz07:10
choisywhat is the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade ?07:11
jdubchoisy: dist-upgrade will add and remove packages to resolve the upgrade07:11
mjrlatter may install new packages and remove old ones when required07:11
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lil_anthonywhats the file in terminal to edit the ifconfig? like i used it one time before to set my static ip but i need to change it07:13
Tomcat_lil_anthony: /etc/network/interfaces usually07:15
Tomcat_lil_anthony: But you might want to check the network setup GUIs Ubuntu has.07:15
lil_anthonyok thanks i just found it right before you typed07:15
lil_anthonythanks again07:15
Tomcat_:] 07:15
lil_anthonyi was using interface instead of interfaces07:15
jcoventryriddell, i've installed xine07:16
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jcoventrylibdvdcss2 installation wont work because it says the package is obselete07:21
Riddelljcoventry: what sources are you using?07:21
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jcoventryi'm simply trying sudo apt-get install libdvdcss207:22
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jcoventryriddell, i'm also having problems installing w32codecs07:23
jcoventryE: Couldn't find package w32codecs07:23
SynekI've compiled mplayer and it has everything i need07:24
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Shuflahello :)07:27
Shuflai think there's problem on www.ubuntulinux.org website07:27
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Shuflai cannot access howto with k3b, where is it?07:28
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Shuflai've used search tool from plone and from wiki to find k3b, there's only italian version...07:28
pokyanyone here who speaks german and can help me with centrino wlan?? :-/ sorry for my bad english07:28
treedpoky: that was pretty good english, actually07:29
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jiyuu0jcoventry, did u add the extra repository?07:29
jcoventryhow do i do that07:29
hearsaypoky:  linux.de07:30
pokycvxc/join #linux.de07:30
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pokyargh sry07:30
smhi all.. gnome panel is hanging on startup, anyone know how to reset it to default ?07:30
jcoventryyes, i have already done that07:31
jcoventryoh wait,07:31
jcoventrymy mistake, only part of that.07:31
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jiyuu0jcoventry, do an apt-get update first07:33
jiyuu0then only apt-get install <package>07:33
jiyuu0or use synaptic... easier07:33
jcoventryok, am doing.07:34
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Mauriknewbie needs sum help: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=781807:34
jcoventryok now what, jiyuu007:34
jiyuu0which part did u finish?07:34
jcoventrythe apt-get update07:35
jiyuu0now apt-get install w32codecs07:35
Maurikis ubuntu ok to install on ntfs?!07:35
jiyuu0u can't install on it07:36
Maurikfuck :@07:36
mjrMaurik, XP would probably not like you installing on your current C partition07:36
jcoventryE: Couldn't find package w32codecs07:36
jiyuu0that's weird... let me check whether the site is down07:37
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jiyuu0jcoventry, u did add these into sources.list right?07:37
jiyuu0 deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main07:37
jiyuu0deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main07:37
jiyuu0deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main07:37
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jcoventrylet me check07:37
jiyuu0gedit /etc/apt/sources.list07:38
aleswyubuntu in spanish?07:38
jcoventryyes i did!07:38
jcoventryheh i use sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list07:38
jiyuu0shud be ok07:38
jcoventryso whats the prob#07:38
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jiyuu0try use synaptic07:38
aleswywich server for spanish ubuntu07:38
jcoventrysearch for what?07:38
RochaHow can I watch videos in Totem?07:38
RochaMPEG videos07:39
Treenaksaleswy: just get the "normal" ubuntu, and choose Spanish language in the installer07:39
RochaI already have that package.07:39
jcoventryCouldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)07:39
jcoventryi get this error when opening Synaptic...07:39
Treenaksaleswy: next versions will ahve even better localization support/localized versions07:39
jiyuu0that means u haven apt-get update07:39
aleswyno , chanel in spanish about ubuntu07:39
jiyuu0jcoventry, once open07:39
jiyuu0press Reload07:40
Treenaksaleswy: oh! try #ubuntu-es07:40
jiyuu0then only search07:40
aleswyah ok07:40
aleswythank you07:40
jcoventryit failed to get the ftp.nerim.net ones07:40
jcoventrybut it did the rest07:40
CraHanholy speedup batman!, that bootup chart seems quite impressive07:40
CraHan35 seconds?07:40
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TreenaksCraHan: you should see daniels's X boot07:40
jiyuu0jcoventry, no wonder... w32codecs is there07:40
jiyuu0try ping it07:41
CraHanTreenaks: what hardware is this?07:41
CraHanI mean, I have a p3 750MHz laptop07:41
CraHanjust timed my startup until gdm loginscreen and it was 1m34s07:41
CraHanwith hoary and kernel 2.6.9-107:41
jcoventryjiyuuO, ?07:41
CraHanguess I could use some speedup lovin :)07:41
jcoventryoh yea , lol07:41
jiyuu0go teminal and ping ftp.nerim.net07:42
Rochaw32codecs downloads an "essentials..." file07:42
jcoventryPING metroid.nerim.net ( 56(84) bytes of data.07:42
jcoventryit pinged it07:42
RochaIt should install the codecs!07:43
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mjrnerim has had intermittent problems07:43
jiyuu0ya it shud07:43
RochaBut I can only listen to the mpg sound, but i can't see the image.07:43
mjrtry again a bit later07:43
jiyuu0actually who maintains nerim?07:43
jcoventryE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)07:43
jcoventryE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?07:43
jiyuu0ether synaptic is open and u try to issue apt-get07:44
jcoventryi get these errors when doin apt-get install win32codecs07:44
Treenakssudo <whateveryoudid>07:44
jiyuu0close synaptic07:44
jcoventryah, of course...07:44
jcoventry<-- Potn has quit07:44
jcoventrysilly clipboard07:44
jcoventryE: Couldn't find package win32codecs07:45
RESETanyone use modem usb adsl?07:45
jiyuu0jcoventry, is w32codecs07:45
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jiyuu0not win32codecs07:45
Rochajcoventry, w32codecs07:45
jcoventrysame error!!!!!07:45
RochaYou must add the multiverse repository07:45
jcoventryi did..07:45
jcoventrywe've been through that07:46
jiyuu0try libdvdcss207:46
jcoventryi already have tried libdvdcss207:46
RochaI also can't watch dvd's in totem07:46
jcoventryE: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate07:46
jiyuu0jcoventry, when u did sudo apt-get update07:46
jiyuu0any errors?07:46
jiyuu0what errors?07:47
jcoventryFailed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '07:47
jcoventryFailed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '07:47
jcoventryFailed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '07:47
jiyuu0i was about to say the ame07:47
jcoventryi am on PPC07:48
Synekoh :)07:48
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jcoventryusing an imac,...07:48
jiyuu0i have no experience in imac07:48
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Synekneither do i07:48
jcoventryit shouldn't matter07:48
jcoventrysince the software is the same07:48
jcoventry(ubuntu  that is)07:49
jiyuu0but based on ur error07:49
jiyuu0i think u point to wrong repo07:49
jiyuu0because it can't find it07:49
jcoventrywhere could i find the right one07:49
Synekhm, maybe there isn't w32.. in ppc repo?07:49
jcoventrythats a thought07:49
Synekjcoventry: compile one yourself07:49
mjrubuntu is the same, marillat exists only for x86, and you can't use x86 windows codecs on ppc07:50
jcoventrysynek, not sure how.07:50
RochaI just did "apt-get install w32codecs" and it downloads a "essential-20040704.tar.bz2" to /tmp07:50
RochaWhat do I do with it?07:50
jcoventryuncompress it07:50
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SynekRocha: bunzip2 ess...07:50
Synekthen tar -xvf es...07:50
Rochatar xjf07:50
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Rochaj for bzip07:50
Synekcd es..., .configure, make, make_install07:50
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mjrtotem-xine should play most usual stuff by itself, as with the rest, you're out of luck; support free codecs07:50
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Rochaohh, some dll's107:51
Rochaohh, some dll's!07:51
RochaWhere do I put them?07:51
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jiyuu0copy em to /usr/lib/win3207:51
jcoventrycan xine play quicktime files07:51
jcoventryi managed to install xine07:51
SynekI've built mplayer .deb, all needed cocdecs included :)07:51
Rochathe files are already there07:51
jcoventrycan xine play quicktime files?07:52
jiyuu0if u have the codecs07:52
Rochai think apt-get uncompressed them07:52
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jcoventryhas anyone tried using PearPC on x86 ubuntu yet?07:52
mjrjcoventry, yes it can, those which use supported codecs07:52
kenthow come the fonts in qt/kde programs is so ugly in Ubuntu warty? how do i change them to something better, without installing all the kde desktop,07:52
RochaSince the files are already in /usr/lib/win32, totem should use them right?07:53
RochaI'm using totem with gstreamer, i must use xine instead?07:53
jiyuu0totem with gstreamer not so good07:53
jiyuu0use gxine or xine-ui07:53
kentRocha, i think totem-gstreamer dont use those codecs. The xine-backend will.07:53
jcoventryhas anyone tried using PearPC on x86 ubuntu yet?07:53
RochaHow can I switch from gstreamer to xine?07:54
kentjcoventry, what is PearPC?07:54
Rochakent, a pc emulator07:54
jcoventryPearPC is a PPC emulator07:54
kentRocha, install totem-xine with synaptic.07:54
jiyuu0Rocha, jus aptget07:54
Rochakent, a ppc emulator07:54
Rochakent, ok07:54
RuffianSoldierupgrading to hoary was a sinch07:54
Rocha"to be removed, totem-gstreamer, ubuntu-desktop"07:55
Rochais this ok?07:55
jcoventryis there any sort of stickies program for Ubuntu?07:55
Rochajcoventry, yellow notes?07:55
Rocharight-click on the panel07:56
RochaAdd the applet "Sticky Notes"07:56
jcoventryehh one button mouse here07:56
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jcoventryis there a key shortcut for using the contextual menu that the second mouse button is used for?07:56
kentRocha, my gnome desktop looks like nearly as good as osx, so why would i use ppc ;)   (http://leviatan.kicks-ass.org/screen-1.png)07:56
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kentOhmer, it should have been to jcoventry07:57
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Rochakent, osx is not about the desktop07:57
__learner__There was a blackout here.07:57
Rochakent, it's the best os ever.07:57
jcoventrykent that is far from mac os x07:57
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Rochajcoventry, you have a key for that...07:57
Rochajcoventry, the ctrl key i think07:57
kenthaha,   this is the second time today i send a message to the wrong person, and then write "oh, it was to the wrong person"  haha, and then xchat turns the "oh," into "ohmer," haha  :)07:58
Rochathe one that has a strange symbol in it07:58
jcoventrythats option, rocha07:58
jcoventryAKA. alt07:58
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jcoventrybut neither work07:58
jcoventryi'll plug in the two button mouse07:58
Rochajcoventry, i don't use imac, that was just a guess :)07:58
__learner__is there any way to set my 5 buttons mouse to work properly (to make the buttons work)07:59
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wezzeranyone who know internet radio which contains talk about linux?07:59
jcoventryok two button mouse plugged in07:59
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jcoventryrocha, thanks08:00
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anirhelp me08:02
Treenaksjust ask a question and we'll answer :)08:02
Treenaksand ordering people to help you is not likely to work very well either :)08:03
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CraHanTreenaks: I just ran that bootchart app and it says my boottime is 28 seconds08:03
aniris there anyone to help me plz08:03
TreenaksCraHan: leet08:03
scoonanir, what do you need ?08:03
CraHanTreenaks: yet when I time how long it takes until I see the gdm greeter i get 1m34 seconds08:03
CraHanTreenaks: do I need to interpret these things in a certain way?08:03
TreenaksCraHan: dunno, ask the developers08:03
CraHanhehe ok :)08:03
TreenaksI think that it takes a while from the end of boot to usable gdm08:04
RochaBye ppl08:05
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RubenVanyone seen those slides with the dbus init system?08:05
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RubenVif i could just remember where i saw em :)08:05
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TreenaksRubenV: on the wiki!08:07
__learner__who is the guy who asked me about SDL and C++?08:07
anirhi alessio08:07
aniri am asking for help guys08:07
anirr u listening???08:08
RubenVTreenaks: nope, it was on planet gnome i think08:08
aniris thr anyone ??08:08
RubenVcould be08:08
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RubenVanyway, it looked bloody cool08:08
aniri dont know how the heck it works08:08
craig_Ask away anir08:08
aniri am asking for help u guys08:08
Treenaksanir: We are here. Just ask your question.08:08
RubenVand a nice way to ditch those init scripts08:08
anirhey dudes08:08
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anirplz help me08:08
aniri have installed ubuntu..08:08
thomasvsdaniels: ping ?08:08
anirnow i dont know what to do08:08
paulproteusanir: Okay.  What's up?08:08
Treenaksanir: have you logged in?08:08
aniri am okay08:08
epotashso i have a laptop with no floppy drive that im just starting to try to install ubuntu on following http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto/view?searchterm=network%20install08:08
Treenaksanir: (typed your name and password)08:09
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epotashhas anyone done this, those instructions are not very detailed08:09
aniri am really new to linux08:09
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mjtwhat's the problem with network install, epotash ?08:09
RubenVTreenaks:  http://people.redhat.com/johnp/dynamic-linux-slides/08:09
anircan u help me guys??08:10
jiyuu0anir, what u want to do?08:10
epotashubuntu doesnt have its own net install08:10
Treenaksanir: no! don't type your password here!08:10
epotashit seems you have to use debian first08:10
jiyuu0i was wondering what's that08:10
aniri have installed ubuntu and i dont know how it works..08:10
wezzeranir: what do you want to do with ubuntu?08:11
aniri am looking for a help ..what all i have to install here??08:11
wezzerplay music? send email?08:11
jiyuu0anir, go read http://ubuntuguide.org08:11
jiyuu0and play around08:11
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aniri want to switch from windows to linux...so i have to start from somewhere08:12
Treenaksanir: the ubuntuguide is nice08:12
mjtbtw, anyone know whenever bash-2.05 supports utf8, or is it only in bash-3?08:12
jiyuu0anir, u won't everything overnight08:12
jiyuu0just have u play around often08:12
Treenaksanir: and just playing around will help you get accustomed to the system a it08:12
Treenaksanir: a bit08:13
Treenaksanir: click on the menus, look at the programs, things like that08:13
aniryea cool08:13
aniri will do it08:13
aniri am really finding it great08:13
anirthankx guys08:14
anirhey u guys are using linux for a long time right???08:14
jiyuu0i think i shud add a windows alternative program list in ubuntu08:14
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veranshould be link to brightside so you can get edge flipping w/ gnome+metacity08:14
Treenaksanir: you might want to stay here or subscribe to one of the (local language, if your native language is not English) user mailing list08:14
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Treenaksanir: on http://lists.ubuntu.com/08:14
anirwhats so special about linux??08:16
Treenaksanir: there are a lot of "special" things08:16
jiyuu0i suggest give google a try... i think u'll get tons of answer08:16
aniri want to know08:16
Treenaksanir: why did you try it in the first place? :)08:16
raphaHi all!08:17
anircoz i wanted to shift from windows to linux08:17
Treenaksanir: it tends to be more stable, it's surrounded by gread support and development communities08:17
aniryea its stable..thats why i have shifted08:17
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Treenaksanir: if you want to change something, you can (or if you can't program, you can hire someone to do change the program for you)08:17
Treenaksanir: stuff like that08:17
veranyou can actually FIX things in linux unlike in windows where #1 fix is to re-install the OS08:18
jiyuu0anir, check this out too http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml08:18
aniri have tried a demo version of long horn too...08:18
anirits great08:18
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raphaSpeaking of programming, since gnome_icon_theme_* is deprecated, what is used nowadays Treenaks?08:18
sabdf1anir: it's a more powerful environment, but that comes with some challenges08:18
Treenaksrapha: I have no idea, I'm not a gnome coder :)08:19
raphaOh okay08:19
raphaSomebody else?08:19
aniryea i guess it is helpful if u have knowledge of unix08:19
sabdf1anir: you can customise it, tweak it, fix it, rearrange it, but you need to spend quite some time getting up to speed08:19
Treenaksrapha: I'm a recovering perl coder (being happy with python :))08:19
raphaanir: Less and less so08:19
raphaTreenaks: UGH! PERL!08:19
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Treenaksrapha: that's why I'm switching to python :)08:20
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sabdf1anir: but more recently it's beginning to become more user friendly, which is what this channel is all about :-)08:20
raphaBut I'll try Python at some point08:20
Treenakssabdf1: isn't that one of the things Launchpad will address?08:20
anirguys.. i have installed ubuntu... now what i have to do..08:20
raphaanir: That depends on what you WANT to do08:20
anirthey say i have to install some software from the net..where do i go?08:20
sabdf1Treenaks: the Launchpad is more developer and community oriented than end-user oriented08:20
jiyuu0anir, r u using it to chat in this channel08:20
anirnot atall08:21
Treenaksanir: read the guide jiyuu0 sent you (http://www.ubuntuguide.org/)08:21
sabdf1hopefully the desktop itself is quite end-user oriented :-)08:21
__learner__download and instal things via apt/synaptic! Thats really cool!08:21
__learner__I just love ubuntu08:21
jiyuu0anir, then u shud...08:21
jiyuu0first try go online wif it08:21
sabdf1anir: which software do you need to install?08:21
raphaSo you're telling me there's no GNOME dudes in here?08:21
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veranubuntu on my laptop/desktop and regular debian on my servers, its sweet08:21
Treenakssabdf1: well.. as being an end-user is the first step in becoming a community member/developer :)08:22
sabdf1too true08:22
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aniri have least knowledge about linux software.. i have been using windows for 7 years..thats why i am here to get help from u guys08:22
sabdf1the launchpad certainly makes it easier for new users to make a great community contribution08:22
jiyuu0anir, 1st go to ubuntu and use it go connect to this channel08:22
__learner__my system has an extra CD drive showing in the system. It does nothing at al. How can I remove it?08:22
Treenaksanir: the best thing you can do is tell us the program you used to use in windows08:22
Treenaksanir: we can suggest alternatives08:23
sabdf1anir: have you tried out the basic software that comes with a standard ubuntu install?08:23
__learner__showing in the DRIVES section08:23
mtlI have installed Ubuntu 4.10 and Windows XP Home, now my computer boots to windows, how can I select which operating system to boot ?08:23
mjtwow that's good question mtl ;)08:23
aniri have only openoffice08:23
sabdf1mtl: do you see the grub screen at all during boot?08:23
anirthats it08:23
mtlsabdf1: no08:23
mtland if i install grub, it doesn't boot windows08:24
mtljust linux08:24
sabdf1mtl: do you have the live cd handy?08:24
mjtwhere grub gets installed -- in mbr or in the linux partition?08:24
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sabdf1mjt: usually mbr08:24
mtlsabdf1: what's that?08:24
anirand while i open openoffice..it really slows down my system..08:24
mjti usually install grub/lilo in linux partition, and if win* screws it up, it's just a matter of firing fdisk and changing active partition08:24
sabdf1mtl: it's a cd you can boot off, brings up a (slow) ubuntu environment, that you can use to analyse your disks and partitions08:24
sabdf1like knoppix, gnoppix...08:25
epotashi am in the debian install and i want to install ubuntu over network08:25
aniram i asking some kind of stupid questions guys??08:25
epotashat what point do i need to do the debootstrap scripts08:25
sabdf1anir: not at all08:25
epotashi just did the partitioning08:26
sabdf1openoffice takes some time to get started08:26
mtlI think easiest way is to make a bootdiskette08:26
willmtl: you need to install GRUB into your MBR and configure it for Ubuntu and WINXP /boot/grub/menu.lst08:26
epotashdo i do "execute a shell"08:26
sabdf1i think that's a major focus for their current development08:26
anirand hey its not plzying my audio cds why?08:26
mtlwill: i tried it and windows didn't boot.08:26
sabdf1mtl: did you recover the win boot with fdisk /mbr?08:27
willmtl: have you got more than one bootable 'flagged' partition/drive?08:27
anirwhy its not plzying the cds that played perfectly well in windows??08:27
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mtlsabdf1: isn't it FIXMBR in the recovery console?08:28
mtlwill: yes, linux and win partitions.08:28
epotashhow do i "Use debootstrap from Ubuntu to put Ubuntu there instead"08:28
sabdf1mtl: could be, it's been a while since I had a windows partition :-)08:28
aniris winamp works in linux?08:28
epotashanyone know?08:28
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sabdf1anir: there are equivalents08:28
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izanir install xmms08:28
izor beep media player08:29
Synekxmms :)08:29
GarathorWhen we are talking about audioplayers, is there anyone that supports the MusePack format? And also gapless playback (for all formats that supports it, also lame-encoded mp3s).08:30
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mjti think ther's musepack plugin for xmms08:31
anirxmss works with ubuntu??08:31
izGarathor, http://www.usinglinux.org/audio/xmms-musepack.html08:31
asubedianyone using evolution+imap here?08:31
mjtas of gapless.. xmms is having.. "issues" with gapless08:31
GarathorYes, you are right, I think i have seen it earlier, must have forgotten. But gapless playback is the most important part, what abour it?08:31
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GarathorXMMS does not play my MP3s gapless at least.08:32
anirwhat ur idea guys..which linux is better???08:32
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Synekanir: holy war08:32
mjtthere's a setting somewhere in its config, but even if gapless is turned on, it's still producing some "clicks" between plays08:33
Synekanir: depends on what you need :)08:33
anirhow bout gentoo?08:33
jiyuu0good for learning08:33
Syneki disagree08:33
jiyuu0if u r patient08:33
aniri need a very user friendly os..which one is that?08:33
Synekubuntu :)08:33
mjtwin? ;)08:33
izanir, ask yourself what you want of a os08:34
anirlinux os i am talking bout08:34
GarathorOh, that can't be what i want, i want true gapless, excactly on the right sample.08:34
anirit should be very stable, have a nice user interface.. great graphics..08:34
Synekanir: you want server? desktop? for games? watching tv/movie?08:35
izanir ubuntu08:35
aniri want desktop08:35
izi play doom3 on a ubuntu desktop08:35
jiyuu0i play warcraft08:35
GarathorI wish someone would port foobar2000 to linux.08:35
aniractually i want to install it on my laptop for business purposses..so i want to get use to it08:36
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Treenaksanir: well, try using openoffice for a bit.. the ultimate office application :)08:36
mjti think almost any major linux distribution will do, anir.08:36
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aniri guess ubuntu is the best08:36
mjtthe software is all the same, almost.08:37
paulproteu1By the way, does anyone have an Ubuntu desktop that looks less boring than the stock GNOME setup?08:37
paulproteu1If so, how did you manage this?08:37
paulproteu1Also, are there Qt themes available for Ubuntu?08:37
izGarathor, maybe this is something for you: http://fondriest.frederic.free.fr/realisations/lamip/08:37
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izpaulproteul install xfce408:38
raphapaulproteu1: art.gnome.org, themes.org, themedepot.org, then you can add fonts, change your background picture and whatnot. After lots of playing around I'm back to the default desktop.08:38
aniri have installed ...but i dont know where the heck they have installed08:38
paulproteu1Will that retain all the automounting stuff?08:38
paulproteu1rapha: Right, that's the thing.08:38
raphaiz: What does XFCE have to do with interesting looks?08:38
paulproteu1I want someone to recommend me something that's just *better* than this before I start experimenting.  I'm shooting in the dark while experimenting, and I'm trying to recommend Ubuntu to people who just complain it looks ugly.08:39
raphapaulproteu1: Also be careful with XFCE; changing to that will certainly make some of the Ubuntu functionality unavailable.08:39
izrapha nothing but he dont like gnone08:39
anirit would be great..if u click the site ubuntulinux.com and it scans ur os and provides the necessary updates for the os..is it possible??08:39
mjtanir: yes08:39
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raphapaulproteu1: Well, then maybe find a set of Aqua themes that could suit your friends. That's what my girl friend uses.08:39
raphaiz: He just doesn't like the default look.08:40
Treenaksanir: people are working on a program that runs in the background, and pops up an icon when there are updates08:40
mjtapt-get / synaptic? ;)08:40
izanir there's apt-watch for08:40
Treenaksanir: for the next version of ubuntu08:40
GarathorYes, i read about lamip on hydrogenaudio. Think i'll have to try it :)08:40
anirit will come somewhere around april/may??08:40
paulproteu1I do like GNOME (well, I like KDE more, but GNOME seems more consistently-put-together).08:40
izrapha, argh mis understandment08:40
raphanm :)08:40
anirwhat is GNOME?08:40
raphaanir: GNOME is the technology underlying Ubuntu's desktop.08:41
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izpaulproteul i use it with gdesklets08:41
raphaIt originally stood for "GNU Network Object Model Environment" or something.08:41
anirhey guys.. my desktop is totally blank.. how will i bring the icons to the desktop?08:41
Treenaksanir: they're in your "computer" menu08:41
raphaanir: Try right-clicking your desktop, and select "New Folder"08:42
verandesktop icons are evul08:42
raphaanir: Or just drag-and-drop something from the Application menu to the desktop08:42
Synekveran ;)08:42
raphaveran: That's preference, to a degree. I myself have set my desktop to be my homefolder because it lets me work the most efficient.08:42
anirso  what is equvalent for "My Computer" in windows?08:42
mjteven winxp now tends to avoid icons on the desktop, btw... ;)08:43
raphaamir: Look for "Computer" right next to "Applications" in the top-left corner of your screen.08:43
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bogonwhere do I find a package list of warty?08:44
aniryes.. they are but sometimes they are useful too08:44
anirfor the keyboard shortcut08:44
paulproteu1bogon: In Synaptic you should be able to see it.08:44
anirhey guys.. bye for now..08:44
aniri will come tomorrow08:44
anirthankx a lot again08:44
anirthank you all08:45
mjtyw, anir08:45
izbogon, or use the apt-cache search08:45
bogonI mean before installing or even downloading the iso :->08:45
izthere is a list08:45
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mjttake a look at debian, bogon -- there's a (super)list of packages there08:46
bogonhmm, I'm looking for a list of all the packages that are on the ubuntu cd08:48
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jiyuu0bogon, try http://ubuntuguide.org/#findprogramslibrarieslistubuntu08:48
jiyuu0no prob08:49
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choisyhi there08:49
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choisyhow is hoary going stability wise these days?08:50
RubenValways been stable here08:50
izi read a nice article about warty to hoary http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=909808:51
thullyhi - anyone have an intel-8x0 based sound chip and use hoary here?08:52
bogonno tin, no slrn... does warty have any text-based newsreader?08:52
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izbogon, trn4 - Threaded USENET news reader08:54
jiyuu0bogon, u can apt-get it08:54
bogonusing the default repository?08:55
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tim1anybody got xorg and fglrx running ?08:55
raphathully: I'm using one right now08:55
thullyhave you had issues with the sound server?  I'm been having problems since a few weeks ago-but these didn't occur in warty08:56
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thullyin particular, i've been having problems w/apps which don't use the sound server - I get no audio from them08:59
raphathully: Yeah I had that after an upgrade a couple of days ago. Now its just disabled...08:59
thullydid they change the sound server?09:01
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thullyI got into a big discussion of this - but it sounds like they won't do anything since the only apps affected are not Ubuntu main apps - is this your experience09:01
bpd1069goodday all...09:02
izbpd1069, aloha09:02
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bpd1069trying to get my wachy networking configuration to incorporate my playstation2... but i think i messed up my eth0 interface...09:03
bpd1069anyone know how to remove the IFF_POINTOPOINT flag on an interface?09:04
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bpd1069i have all of these eth0:0:1 and eth0:1 links  :(09:05
choisyubuntu definitly rocks on ppc :)09:05
mjtifconfig ... -pointopoint ?09:06
raphathully: no idea09:07
__learner__ubuntu rocks on x86 to09:07
choisythen, we could say ubuntu rocks09:07
bpd1069mjt: will try...09:07
__learner__I have to go for some momentsa, Need to do someything in windows. Blah! Dear god, make macromedia and photoshop tools to run under linux! That's my christmas wish.09:07
mjtbpd1069: but i think you're doing something strange...09:07
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__learner__good bye09:08
bpd1069didn't work...09:08
mjtthe -pointopoint flag is an answerto your exact queestion.  but after that, your iface will probably be unusable.09:08
bpd1069mjt :  yes I am!  shows wat happens when you tr to learn iptables at 5am09:09
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mjtiptables has NOTHING to do with interface flags09:09
goatboydaniels: does your latest blog mean you've gotten Xorg's startup down to 26 opens?09:10
mjtthe best way imho is just to do ifup --force09:10
bpd1069i am trying to route all ps2 trafic to my nic.. then forward over wlan0 to my wireless router...   (no physical connection to the internet)09:10
mike998is there any way to create virtual channels for my sound card so that I can play doom and listen to mp3s at the same time?09:10
mike998I know it can be done if I was running FreeBSD using sysctl09:10
mjtand how's iptables involved here, again ? ;)09:10
danielsgoatboy: seconds09:11
mjtmike998: try esound09:11
bpd1069well trying to institute a simple NAT for the PS209:11
goatboyoh, still amazing.09:11
danielsgoatboy: 26sec for total startup, not xorg, obviously09:11
mike998mjt: man esound will give me?09:11
bpd1069mjt: and in the process messed up my eth009:11</