[12:00] <olorin> paradoxmo: no prob
[12:01] <paradoxmo> somewhere in a woody security update, the binary changed from being at /usr/libexec/sftp-server to /usr/lib/sftp-server
[12:02] <MasterShake> Please help with the iso torrents if you have some spare bandwidth... Thanks.
[12:11] <Jelte> when i use alt-tab, the border of the other windows gets drawn as i cycle through the apps. Is that gnome? the window manager? or ubuntu specific?
[12:12] <olorin> Jelte: Gnome ... and also a common shortcut in many other WM
[12:12] <ficusplanet> Jelte, I think that is a feature in metacity
[12:13] <andril> hello all again
[12:13] <Jelte> thanks... i'd like something more like expose from mac, cuz with many things open its hard to know which app is which ;-/
[12:13] <andril> :)
[12:14] <ficusplanet> Jelte, Download http://www.schlitt.info/applications/blog/index.php?/archives/196-Skippy-or-Expose-for-Gnome.html
[12:15] <Jelte> ficusplanet, thanks, i tried skippy... not really very usable though.. cuz it needs to take screenshots of the app, so cycles through them all before displaying
[12:15] <andril> dos anyone know how to serve with Ubuntu (email,web &ftp)?
[12:15] <RuffianSoldier> how do I do a whole network ban on someone?
[12:15] <ficusplanet> Jelte, Works really well with the new xserver though, so whenever you choose to move to hoary, enable the composite extension and give it another whirl.
[12:15] <Jelte> was thinking of maybe changing the standard alt-tab so that if you hold it on one app for 1 second, it comes to the foregruond
[12:16] <Jelte> ficusplanet, hmmm now that sounds more interesting... so whats all that about? hoary got different x server?
[12:16] <paradoxmo> andril: what specifically do you want to do?
[12:17] <olorin> Jelte: just configure that in the keyboard shortcut preference
[12:17] <ficusplanet> Jelte, Yeah, hoary uses x.org 6.8.1, which includes the composite and damage extensions.  Composite lets you do all kinds of cool stuff - rgba, etc.
[12:17] <andril> paradoxmo: i would like to get rid of my M$oft PC's and convert to UBUNTU - TO SERVE
[12:17] <Jelte> ficusplanet, how much cpu does that drain though ? ;-)   but if it means skippy does quick snapshots then thats an improvement
[12:18] <Jelte> olorin, ? not sure i understand you
[12:18] <ficusplanet> Jelte, There are plans to move x.org to a GL backend.  And already with nvidia cards you can enable render acceleration - meaning no cpu is used whatsoever really.
[12:18] <paradoxmo> andril: are you good at reading documentation?
[12:18] <olorin> Jelte: you can change de default action of ALT_TAB in the gnome keyboard configuration prefereces
[12:18] <paradoxmo> it's not as easy as windows, but much better in the long run
[12:19] <Jelte> olorin, ah thanks! i'll have a look...
[12:19] <andril> SURE -
[12:19] <Jelte> ficusplanet, so how stable is hoary really?
[12:19] <paradoxmo> andril: "sudo apt-get install apache2" for webserving
[12:19] <paradoxmo> what kind of email server do you want?
[12:19] <paradoxmo> proftpd for a basic ftp daemon
[12:19] <andril> i am sure i can read and follow if it's somewhat easy
[12:19] <ficusplanet> Jelte, I've had no problems whatsoever, but YMMV.
[12:20] <Jelte> YMMV?  ;-)
[12:20] <ficusplanet> Your milage may vary
[12:20] <Jelte> ahh ;-)
[12:22] <Jelte> olorin, can i use the 'windows' key as well?
[12:22] <andril> kinda noob - i do this in terminal right
[12:22] <paradoxmo> andril: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:22] <paradoxmo> under Apache HTTP Server
[12:22] <olorin> Jelte: of course yes :)
[12:23] <olorin> Jelte: just try ...
[12:23] <andril> i ran it
[12:23] <Jelte> yea i figured that after asking.. duh ;-)
[12:24] <emoxer> anyone know the xmms directory in ubuntu?
[12:24] <emoxer> i cant seem to find it
[12:24] <andril> paradoxmo: i ran the command - it is finished
[12:24] <sladen> emoxer: how do you mean?
[12:24] <paradoxmo> andril: now drop stuff into /var/www/apache2-default
[12:24] <emoxer> well i installed it
[12:24] <ctd> emoxer: 'whereis xmms'
[12:25] <paradoxmo> and try http://localhost see if it worked
[12:25] <sladen> emoxer:   which xmms    should tell you where it is
[12:25] <Jelte> olorin, hmmm but not in combination with something else , like windowskey-w
[12:25] <emoxer> well its already running, im listening to music right now
[12:25] <emoxer> i just want to add 2 skins
[12:25] <Jelte> olorin, but this works as well ;-)
[12:26] <olorin> Jelte: ;)
[12:26] <emoxer> i think i found it.
[12:26] <andril> emoxer: i believe it's .xmms (hidden folder) in home dir
[12:27] <RuffianSoldier> ok - whats the Hoary repos? im going to upgrade
[12:28] <Q-FUNK> RuffianSoldier: change all occurances of warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:28] <olorin> RuffianSoldier: RuffianSoldier http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/view?searchterm=hoary
[12:29] <RuffianSoldier> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[12:29] <RuffianSoldier> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[12:29] <RuffianSoldier> like that?
[12:29] <confrey|^|> is there any musician?
[12:29] <andril> paradoxmo: i don't have permission to copy to that dir
[12:29] <RuffianSoldier> just change anything warty to hoary right?
[12:30] <olorin> confrey|^|: yes
[12:30] <confrey|^|> olorin, you?
[12:30] <olorin> RuffianSoldier: yes
[12:30] <paradoxmo> andril: does http://localhost get you some page saying no site here or whatever?
[12:30] <olorin> confrey|^|: yes me ...
[12:30] <andril> how can i tell what versio of Ubuntu am i using?
[12:30] <olorin> confrey|^|: why not ?
[12:30] <confrey|^|> olorin, classical?
[12:30] <Q-FUNK> RuffianSoldier: not just the security lines
[12:30] <RuffianSoldier> I know
[12:31] <RuffianSoldier> Univerese also
[12:31] <olorin> confrey|^|: synthetizer and church organ
[12:31] <RuffianSoldier> and remove the #
[12:31] <andril> yes
[12:31] <olorin> confrey|^|: so ... classical and ... other think less classical :d
[12:31] <andril> the apache page appears
[12:31] <confrey|^|> olorin, I'm a piano teacher
[12:31] <olorin> confrey|^|: good
[12:32] <confrey|^|> olorin, I'm searching for lilypond in ubuntu, but it seems there isn't
[12:32] <Jelte> so no-one know of any 'virtual pets' for linux like Dogz ?? ;-/
[12:32] <andril> Paradoxmo: root is still the owner
[12:33] <olorin> confrey|^|: there is just "denemo - A gtk+ frontend to GNU Lilypond"
[12:34] <olorin> confrey|^|: just have a look here ;) http://lilypond.org/web/download/
[12:35] <olorin> confrey|^|: and use the Debian package
[12:35] <paradoxmo> andril: you can "sudo chown -R user.user /var/www/apache2-default/" to get it to be yours
[12:35] <pridkett> is there an easy way to disable all the little annoying gtk sounds in Ubuntu?
[12:35] <confrey|^|> how can I use the frontend if haven't I lilypond?
[12:35] <paradoxmo> pridkett: yes
[12:35] <paradoxmo> computer->desktop preferences->sound-> turn off "sounds for events"
[12:35] <pridkett> paradoxmo: disabling sound events seems to disable sounds for games too
[12:36] <olorin> confrey|^|: i repeat ... http://lilypond.org/web/download check this and take the debian package
[12:36] <confrey|^|> olorin, lilypond Debian package? from which version (testing,unstable)?
[12:36] <Jelte> paradoxmo, if its just the user interface events you are after?  cuz i think there's a little bug in the events dialog
[12:36] <olorin> confrey|^|: SID/SARGE
[12:37] <Jelte> paradoxmo, i found you can not 'not select' a sound in them, but there's a workaround
[12:38] <paradoxmo> Jelte: hmm, what is it?
[12:39] <paradoxmo> i don't like sounds in general, i turn them all off
[12:39] <Jelte> paradoxmo, select some other sound for it, that will ensure that the following file is created .... (trying to remember ;-))
[12:39] <Jelte> then in that file, remove the wav files you previously selected, but keep the file there
[12:39] <Jelte> a reboot and all is quiet ;-)   (probably just need to restart some sound stuff, but didn't know which so went for reboot)
[12:40] <Jelte> if only i could remember what file that was! ;-)
[12:41] <paradoxmo> ah, i see
[12:41] <paradoxmo> yeah, i see the glitch you're talking about
[12:41] <andril> paradoxmo: thanks guy - i got to feed the kids - i'll be back later to pick you brain
[12:42] <Jelte> paradoxmo, yeah, but i dont recall what bloody file it sets the stuff in ;-/
[12:43] <paradoxmo> shouldn't someone fix that?
[12:43] <paradoxmo> that's a really silly mistake
[12:44] <Jelte> yeah... been meaning to set up a bugzilla account.. but been lazy ;-)
[12:44] <paradoxmo> should look for a bugzilla bug
[12:44] <paradoxmo> yeah
[12:45] <Jelte> got a similar problem with a setting in gconf-editor that i cant seem to delete
[12:46] <Jelte> but i've not worked out how i _should_ do it, so not sure if its a bug
[12:46] <paradoxmo> i don't think you can delete settings in gconf editor
[12:46] <paradoxmo> only blank them, no?
[12:46] <Jelte> ah.. that would explain it then! ;-)
[12:48] <confrey> olorin, hi, my desktop has crashed
[12:48] <paradoxmo> jelte, that's not just an ubuntu thing right?
[12:48] <paradoxmo> it's a general 2.8 thing?
[12:48] <Jelte> paradoxmo, which? gconf-editor?
[12:49] <olorin> confrey: crash :o
[12:49] <olorin> confrey: because of lilypond ?
[12:49] <Jelte> nah, i installed a new schema using the root terminal, thought i could just delete it in the gui... guess i'll have to bring out the root terminal again
[12:49] <confrey> olorin, no no, nvidia drivers
[12:49] <paradoxmo> no, the sound not being able to blank
[12:50] <confrey> olorin, where are you living?
[12:50] <olorin> Belgium
[12:51] <confrey> italy
[12:52] <olorin> confrey: very nice country ;)
[12:52] <confrey> so did you install lilypond from pedrokroeger? is it working in ubuntu?
[12:52] <olorin> confrey: no i didn't on ubuntu
[12:52] <NeoXed> how can i install a .sh file?
[12:52] <olorin> confrey: but ubuntu is debian based so il might work
[12:53] <olorin> NeoXed: sh file.sh
[12:53] <NeoXed> ya
[12:53] <NeoXed> kool
[12:53] <FCC> does anyone know anything about networking with Ubuntu??
[12:53] <NeoXed> omg
[12:53] <Rotund> are other people having issues that when they use GTK+-only programs under Hoary, they act like ALT is held?
[12:53] <NeoXed> i feel so dumb thanks man
[12:53] <olorin> FCC: like on any other distro ...
[12:54] <Rotund> FCC: to what extent do you want to do things?
[12:54] <FCC> well, i'm new to the linux world
[12:54] <FCC> i've been told that ubuntu is the distro for me
[12:54] <olorin> FCC: maybe it's true :)
[12:54] <Rotund> FCC: Ask and I should at least be able to tell you where to find the info
[12:54] <FCC> well, file share with a xp puter, and share my DSL
[12:54] <olorin> FCC: it must be your choice, not our
[12:54] <paradoxmo> fcc: you want two things: firestarter firewall and samba
[12:54] <Rotund> firestarter and samba
[12:54] <paradoxmo> rotund: gmta (-:
[12:55] <Rotund> true
[12:55] <FCC> whats firestarter?
[12:55] <Rotund> Though note that firestarter is broken
[12:55] <Rotund> FCC: google
[12:55] <olorin> FCC: for file sharing in a mixex windows/unix network you will need ti install and configure samba
[12:55] <Morphalus> why when i upgrade my warty to hoary, the ram usage is very big in hoary than warty ?
[12:55] <FCC> hmm, ok
[12:55] <olorin> Morphalus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/view?searchterm=hoary
[12:56] <Rotund> Morphalus: I dunno.  have you looked at top?
[12:56] <olorin> olorin: for the RAM not really but it's an unstable release ...
[12:56] <paradoxmo> FCC: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[12:56] <FCC> thanks para!!
[12:56] <olorin> olorin: Morphalus for the RAM not really but it's an unstable release ...
[12:56] <confrey> olorin, it seems it can work in ubuntu; I haven't messages about unresolved dependencies; I can't install it now, I need to download 7 and more MB of asrchives, and I have a dialup connection....
[12:57] <confrey> olorin, are you expert about midi, jackd?
[12:57] <olorin> not in linux ...
[12:57] <paradoxmo> how is firestarter broken?
[12:57] <olorin> i always use an old ATARI 1040 ST with CUBASE :)
[12:58] <FCC> will ubuntu be able to autoconfigure itself to share my net connection, or will it have to be manually done??
[12:58] <Morphalus> yes i know it's an unstable release (i read documentations...) but i was surprised when i saw the ram usage than warty
[12:58] <FCC> its going to my D-Link router, then out to the puters
[12:58] <LinuxJones> FCC, Firestarter can do that for you
[12:58] <LinuxJones> umm
[12:59] <FCC> firestarter is broken?
[12:59] <paradoxmo> rotund: how is firestarter broken?
[12:59] <Rotund> The firestarter icon uses gksu instead of gksudo
[12:59] <FCC> is that what i read?
[12:59] <paradoxmo> oh, i see
[12:59] <Rotund> Not a big deal, but the icon won't work
[12:59] <paradoxmo> yeah fcc, there's a way to fix that
[12:59] <LinuxJones> FCC, It's not hard to do with iptables
[12:59] <paradoxmo> http://ubuntuguide.org/#firestarter
[12:59] <paradoxmo> go there and follow the instructions
[12:59] <FCC> thanks again para!
[01:00] <Rotund> and I can't find the menu editor under hoary
[01:00] <Rotund> is there one?
[01:00] <Rotund> applications:/// doesn't work
[01:00] <paradoxmo> hmm
[01:01] <Rotund> can't right-click either
[01:01] <Rotund> just has add-to-panel options
[01:01] <paradoxmo> meh.
[01:01] <paradoxmo> i'm still running warty gnome, so mine works fine
[01:03] <Rotund> I would've liked to, but I added the new gnome-system-tools and it brought other stuff with it that I apparently couldn't downgrade
[01:03] <Rotund> paradoxmo: Does warty have Firestarter 1.0?
[01:04] <paradoxmo> no idea, checking packages
[01:04] <ficusplanet> Is the kernel in hoary patched with inotify?
[01:04] <paradoxmo> it has 0.9.3-4
[01:05] <Rotund> paradoxmo: That's actually too bad.  1.0 is pretty slick
[01:05] <Rotund> ficusplanet:  I don't know, but it doesn't have beagle
[01:05] <Rotund> in the repo
[01:05] <paradoxmo> is it that much different, 0.9.3 and 1.0?
[01:06] <paradoxmo> i've never needed most of the advanced functions of firestarter
[01:06] <xemoka> hello everyone, i've just recently got a laptop, wanted to put ubunto on it instead of gentoo (gentoo and compiling on a 233.. mmm hell) and see what a binary based distro (thats good) is like. However, it seems to hang at "searching for ubuntu installation media.." and decalres missing modules ide-mod, ide-probe-mod ide-detect and ide-floppy... any suggestions?
[01:06] <Rotund> I couldn't find the "what is opening a port" in 0.9.3
[01:06] <ficusplanet> Rotund, Yeah, I just saw that 0.0.4 was released and was thinking about installing it, but I don't want to mess with the kernel.
[01:06] <Rotund> ficusplanet: It's actually not that hard.  I'm just lazy though =)
[01:07] <paradoxmo> xemoka: did you make sure it was a good burn?
[01:07] <Rotund> xemoka: Could be a bad burn?
[01:07] <ficusplanet> Rotund, Same here.  Ubuntu is making me so lazy.  Everything is too easy.
[01:07] <Rotund> paradoxmo: again we answer the same
[01:07] <Rotund> Are you reading my keypresses?
[01:07] <Rotund> ficusplanet: Me too.  after Gentoo, I love not having to think about it as much
[01:08] <xemoka> Rotund , paradoxmo: hmm... i'm pretty sure it's not that bad of a burn.. perhaps i'll try a re-burn.. is there any way to get the hoary on installation discs?
[01:08] <paradoxmo> haha, yeah 'cuz i'm so l33t that i hack into other people's irc traffic
[01:08] <paradoxmo> (no)
[01:08] <Treenaks> good burn, bad burn, sideburn..
[01:08] <Rotund> xemoka: Ummm... You could do the Debian net-boot and then upgrade to ubuntu
[01:08] <Rotund> (honestly, not as bad as it sounds)
[01:08] <paradoxmo> xemoka, does knoppix work?
[01:09] <xemoka> Rotund: i dont yet have a ethernet card for the laptop :(
[01:09] <Rotund> Actually, Gentoo has deboot in it
[01:09] <xemoka> paradoxmo: yes knoppix works, thats why i'm confused..
[01:09] <Rotund> oh, that's no good.  especially for Linux =)
[01:09] <xemoka> heh,
[01:09] <FCC> well guys thanks!!
[01:09] <FCC> it was easier than i thought
[01:09] <FCC> it autoconfigured itself
[01:09] <xemoka> thats why i was going for ubuntu, kinda comes with alot of what i need
[01:09] <Rotund> FCC isn't it great?
[01:09] <FCC> yes
[01:10] <FCC> didn't have to run any proggies
[01:10] <FCC> for 'net that is
[01:10] <FCC> i will have to install samba
[01:10] <paradoxmo> xemoka, i *would* try burning another cd
[01:10] <FCC> to network my XP puter
[01:10] <Rotund> check the MD5sum first, to be certain
[01:10] <paradoxmo> good idea rotund
[01:11] <xemoka> paradoxmo: okay, i'll give it a shot
[01:11] <Rotund> FCC:  It probably can read from that coputer already
[01:11] <xemoka> paradoxmo: maybe this time try a cd-r
[01:11] <Rotund> open nautilus in network
[01:11] <paradoxmo> xemoka: yeah, that might be it, i had that problem
[01:11] <xemoka> paradoxmo: hmm.
[01:11] <paradoxmo> the old cdrom didn't want to read the cdrw
[01:11] <paradoxmo> my old trusty dell pii 200
[01:12] <xemoka> so no ability to get hoary on a installation cd isntead of through apt-'ing?
[01:12] <Rotund> ewww.  You run Ubuntu on that?
[01:12] <paradoxmo> i run plain debian on that
[01:12] <Rotund> xemoka, you really probably don't want it
[01:12] <paradoxmo> it actually runs fine
[01:12] <Rotund> I'm having some problems
[01:12] <xemoka> Rotund: that many issues eh..
[01:12] <paradoxmo> hoary is kinda flaky right now
[01:12] <xemoka> Rotund: i'm just used to having things so bleeding edge that i cut myself... gentoo addict.. you know..
[01:12] <Rotund> xemoka: everytime I update nautilus... I have to restart X
[01:13] <xemoka> Rotund: ow.
[01:13] <paradoxmo> you could try apt pinning warty and installing stuff from hoary, if you're adventurous, that's what i'm doing
[01:13] <Rotund> I think we scared him =)
[01:13] <xemoka> lol..
[01:13] <Rotund> yet, he comes back for more
[01:14] <ficusplanet> jdub, Do you know if the hoary kernel has inotify patched in?
[01:15] <xemoka> arg, general annoyance, anyone know how to get into a compaq's bios.. it's not f2.. it's not del...
[01:15] <GotD0t> try f12
[01:15] <GotD0t> or f8
[01:15] <GotD0t> or just try all the F's
[01:15] <paradoxmo> did you try escape
[01:15] <xemoka> oh fun.. pheonix bios..
[01:15] <xemoka> whatever i hit got into it
[01:15] <paradoxmo> sometimes it'll tell you if you do that
[01:16] <GotD0t> is there a problem with nautilus with the new update in hoary?
[01:16] <AMIGrAve> does ubuntu have the same social contract than debian ?
[01:16] <Skwid_> xemoka: i usually just sit on the keyboard on boot :)
[01:16] <paradoxmo> what kind of problem GotD0t
[01:17] <xemoka> Skwid_: lol
[01:17] <paradoxmo> skwid_: i should try that the next time
[01:17] <GotD0t> paradoxmo: LIKE IT NOT WORKING
[01:17] <GotD0t> paradoxmo: sorry
[01:17] <GotD0t> paradoxmo: accident
[01:17] <paradoxmo> haha
[01:17] <paradoxmo> it was nice and dramatic
[01:17] <xemoka> lol arg now i can't get back in
[01:17] <xemoka> lmao
[01:17] <paradoxmo> haha
[01:18] <xemoka> hmm now to find the farking bios jumpers..
[01:18] <TheStuff> hi ..
[01:19] <Rotund> gotDot
[01:19] <Rotund> yes
[01:19] <TheStuff> where can i find full online help with Ubuntu
[01:19] <GotD0t> theres an instance of nautilus that won't die
[01:19] <Rotund> Here's what you need to do.
[01:19] <paradoxmo> thestuff, there is no "full online help," but there is a lot of documentation at: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationArea
[01:20] <Rotund> GotD0t:  Kill X w/ ctrl+alt+bksp.  Then at the terminal kill anything gnome related
[01:20] <GotD0t> Rotund: bah, ok... ill do that in a bit
[01:20] <Rotund> particularly evolution-data-server, trashapplet,
[01:20] <Rotund> uhhh... pkill gno; pkill evo; pkill trash.  That gets most
[01:21] <Rotund> GotD0t: It happens everytime they've upgraded the package lately
[01:21] <GotD0t> Rotund: seems like it
[01:21] <Rotund> okay.  BRB.  doing what I just told GotD0t =)
[01:21] <TheStuff> paradoxmo, thanx .. i need to install java runtime, flash plugin ... etc ..
[01:21] <GotD0t> i wish there was some way i could fork a prog with a gui into the background so i could restart X while still having that app runningt
[01:22] <DagaZ> how do I install a debianpackage manually?
[01:22] <paradoxmo> thestuff: look under restrictedformats on that page
[01:22] <paradoxmo> dagaz: download it and do dpkg -i packagename.deb
[01:23] <paradoxmo> thestuff: and, ubuntuguide.org
[01:23] <Rotund> GRRR.  GTK is still broke
[01:24] <Rotund> okay.  I figured it out.  If you aren't on a place to type text, it will do what you type in the menu bar (ugh)
[01:25] <erich> Hi, any of the developers working on the faster boot process around?
[01:25] <mjt> probably stupid question.  Is kernel in hoary supposed to be buildable?
[01:25] <Rotund> mjt: I'd hope so
[01:25] <erich> Are you using the default "boot-chart", or have you modified it?
[01:25] <Rotund> erich: I have talked to them about it
[01:25] <DagaZ> paradoxmo: thx
[01:25] <gentoox86> can i install a wireless card (DWL-650) driver written for kernel 2.4.20 on ubuntu latest release (4.1) ?
[01:25] <erich> because it doesn't play together too well with Debians "top"
[01:25] <TheStuff> paradoxmo, thanxagain .. but that is not wht  am looking for .. i remember there was a doc. like walkthrough i cant find it
[01:26] <TheStuff> paradoxmo,  thanx .. i got it
[01:26] <Rotund> erich: Interesting
[01:26] <paradoxmo> np
[01:26] <erich> Rotund: my top here by default doesn't include the "PPID" column, which boot-chart tries to use.
[01:27] <Rotund> okay.  I haven't looked at it that much.  I was more for losing the SysV things.  They didn't like that answer =)
[01:27] <mjt> when doing dpkg-buildpackage in linux-source-2.6.9-2.6.9, it fails with:
[01:27] <mjt> The changelog says we are creating 2.6.9, but I thought the version is 2.6.9-1-k7
[01:27] <Rotund> I like Seth's make idea.
[01:27] <Rotund> erich: I can look for a sec though
[01:28] <erich> Ah, i see what i need to do.
[01:28] <erich> get a .toprc file into the boot-chart directory.
[01:28] <Rotund> okay.  Never mind then =)
[01:29] <Rotund> I don't see boot-chart in synaptic
[01:29] <Rotund> should it be there?
[01:30] <Rotund> or are they just building it for themselves?
[01:30] <Rotund> Can someone in Warty tell me how much RAM nautilus is using for them?
[01:31] <erich> Rotund: i tried building it with gcj but failed. Building it for sun jdk worked.
[01:31] <paradoxmo> rotund: as measured by ps?
[01:31] <Rotund> not that surprising I supposed
[01:31] <erich> Rotund: which number are you looking for? the numbers reported in top are treacheous.
[01:31] <Rotund> VM Size in Gnome-Sys-Mon
[01:31] <Rotund> Is that that right name?
[01:31] <erich> Rotund: the VM size usually inkludes like 4M unused memory for each thread IIRC.
[01:32] <erich> so the more threads an app uses, the more memory will be listed there. while the app may still be conservative.
[01:32] <Rotund> erich: so, what's accurate?
[01:32] <paradoxmo> rotund: i get 62.5M for that number
[01:32] <Rotund> okay.  so it's gotten better =)
[01:32] <paradoxmo> i have four nautilus windows open
[01:33] <Rotund> okay.  that might hurt it a bit
[01:33] <paradoxmo> no, wait, two now
[01:33] <paradoxmo> opening new ones doesn't increase the memory
[01:33] <Rotund> Well, nautilus NEEDS to get shrunk down.  I hope they make miracles in 2.10
[01:34] <paradoxmo> it's already so much faster than 2.4 i'm happy enough
[01:34] <paradoxmo> i remember 2.0, it was slow as hell
[01:34] <Rotund> I've been on computers strapped for RAM.  It's bad
[01:34] <erich> Rotund: no idea. the RSS value should be much better.
[01:34] <Rotund> yes it was
[01:34] <Rotund> erich: see that's not in top for me
[01:35] <paradoxmo> i never used nautilus until 2.2
[01:35] <Rotund> paradoxmo: ROX?
[01:35] <Rotund> or nothing?
[01:35] <erich> 63188 8344 6852 S  0.0  1.6   0:00.39 evolution-alarm   <--- from ps output. virtual size of evolution-alarm is 63 MB. 8 MB resident (including shared libraries)
[01:35] <erich> Rotund: RES in top i think.
[01:35] <paradoxmo> commandline, and gthumb when i needed it
[01:36] <seb128> top or ps are not good way to evaluate the memory usage of a process
[01:36] <Rotund> seb128: What is then?
[01:36] <BlacKnight|> hrmm
[01:36] <Rotund> I know X gets bloated by vid ram
[01:36] <seb128> Rotund, look on the memory card in the gnome-system-monitor
[01:37] <BlacKnight|> has anyone gotten the proprietary ati drivers to work in ubuntu?
[01:37] <Rotund> It's in the Wiki, I believe
[01:37] <BlacKnight|> and how do i stop ubuntu from starting x on bootup?
[01:37] <paradoxmo> what memory card, under more info?
[01:37] <erich> Rotund: i think using "RES - SHR" could be a fair value.
[01:37] <BlacKnight|> yeah, that's not helping me :)
[01:38] <seb128> paradoxmo, right click on the process
[01:38] <Rotund> BlacKnight|: You've read it?
[01:38] <Rotund> BlacKnight|: because I'm no help after that.  Or I can help you find it
[01:38] <paradoxmo> memory maps?
[01:38] <paradoxmo> that's a lot of information
[01:39] <BlacKnight|> Rotund: yeah i've read it
[01:39] <BlacKnight|> did it work for you?
[01:39] <Rotund> I have NVIDIA
[01:39] <BlacKnight|> right
[01:39] <seb128> paradoxmo, yes, you have a lot of shared libs in memory
[01:39] <BlacKnight|> did you use the stock ubuntu kernel?
[01:39] <erich> http://www.mucl.de/~erich/bootchart.png  <-- my boot chart, btw. ~30 seconds to gdm-greeter on a ThinkPad A31p, nothing optimized execpt not using sysvinit...
[01:39] <Rotund> that's why I said no help
[01:39] <seb128> paradoxmo, the evolution-alarm part is small
[01:39] <BlacKnight|> ok
[01:40] <paradoxmo> blacknight: to disable starting of X, uninstall gdm (and xdm and kdm if present)
[01:40] <BlacKnight|> hrmm
[01:40] <BlacKnight|> i don't really want to uninstall it though
[01:40] <Rotund> no, just remove from the boot
[01:40] <BlacKnight|> from init.rd?
[01:40] <seb128> ericf, with which tool do you do this graph ?
[01:40] <BlacKnight|> init.d
[01:40] <seb128> oups
[01:40] <Rotund> /etc/rcx.d I forget what x is though =-)
[01:40] <paradoxmo> okay, the hack is to delete it from /etc/rc2.d
[01:40] <seb128> s/ericf/erich
[01:40] <BlacKnight|> well if i type init it'll tell me 2
[01:41] <BlacKnight|> sorry, runlevel
[01:41] <BlacKnight|> ajay@ajay:~ $ runlevel
[01:41] <BlacKnight|> N 2
[01:41] <paradoxmo> or, update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[01:41] <paradoxmo> that'll work too
[01:41] <Rotund> ohhh.  I need to remember that
[01:41] <paradoxmo> and then update-rc.d gdm defaults to get it back
[01:41] <BlacKnight|> how do i add it again?
[01:41] <BlacKnight|> raaaaad
[01:42] <BlacKnight|> wow, kernels take a long time to compile
[01:42] <paradoxmo> glad to be of service
[01:42] <RuffianSoldier> no shiz
[01:42] <BlacKnight|> thanks a lot
[01:42] <Rotund> seb128: What are the things in memory maps w/ no name?
[01:43] <paradoxmo> okay, it's dinner time. been a pleasure folks
[01:43] <Rotund> bye
[01:43] <seb128> Rotund, a bug in gnome-system-monitor
[01:43] <Rotund> ahhh =)
[01:43] <Rotund> so, is it using that memory?
[01:43] <seb128> Rotund, should have a name between [...] 
[01:43] <seb128> no
[01:44] <erich> seb128: the boot-chart tool, like all others do.
[01:44] <seb128> these are system stuff
[01:44] <seb128> erich, ok
[01:44] <Rotund> okay.  cuz I had a doozy of 796KB
[01:44] <seb128> erich, yours looks really weird
[01:46] <erich> seb128: because the ppid information is missing others do have. different top options. i will have that in the next run.
[01:47] <seb128> ok
[01:47] <farruinn> are there any apt gurus here?  I've added hoary to my sources.list because I needed a couple of packages, however I want to maintain a warty system.  Is there a way to prevent apt-get upgrade from upgrading everything to hoary?
[01:48] <Rotund> yes.  I don't remember how =)
[01:48] <erich> farruinn: google for "target-release"
[01:48] <Rotund> you need to pin it...
[01:49] <farruinn> Rotund, pin everything?
[01:49] <erich> farruinn: you can set pins by distribution name.
[01:49] <Rotund> farruinn: Actually, erich just told you how
[01:49] <erich> farruinn: and using "Apt::target-release" will setup such a pin.
[01:49] <erich> farruinn: you can do a lot of things with pin, its all in the apt manpages. apt_preferences and such.
[01:50] <RuffianSoldier>  Tsjoklat - your an op :-D
[01:50] <farruinn> ok, thanks erich
[01:50] <erich> you can even use apt pins to downgrade a hoary system to warty.
[01:50] <Tsjoklat> RuffianSoldier :P
[01:50] <RuffianSoldier> you might want topic protection
[01:50] <RuffianSoldier> anyone can change it
[01:50] <Rotund> erich: really?
[01:50] <Rotund> hmmm...
[01:50] <HaRDaWaY> hello people!
[01:50] <Tsjoklat> RuffianSoldier shhhh it's a secret :)
[01:51] <Rotund> erich: can you set pins in synaptic?
[01:51] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[01:51] <benjami> hi
[01:51] <maruen> hi people
[01:52] <maruen> somebody could help me how to configure X in ubuntu?
[01:52] <benjami> during installation i never had to type a root-passwort...now i cant log in
[01:53] <maruen> somebody?
[01:53] <RuffianSoldier> is the next gnome going to be 2.10 or 3?
[01:53] <RuffianSoldier> cuz if its 2.10 thats a crackhead way of version
[01:53] <Rotund> benjami: root is not enabled
[01:53] <farruinn> actually, in the extended tab of synaptic preferences I selected warty as the "default archive".  That doesn't do the same thing as as Apt::target-release is it?
[01:53] <Tsjoklat> benjami that is not your root password it is the user password
[01:53] <Rotund> you use sudo instead
[01:53] <Rotund> sudo will ask for YOUR password
[01:53] <Rotund> (yes you have to be added to the sudo user list)
[01:53] <maruen> msg Rotund could you help me how to configure X?
[01:54] <benjami> Rotund, and why theres no root...
[01:54] <benjami> from the beginning?
[01:54] <Tsjoklat> benjami sudo is considered to be better
[01:54] <Rotund> it's the OSX way
[01:54] <RuffianSoldier> I love sudo
[01:54] <RuffianSoldier> i find it much more fun
[01:54] <Rotund> it actually makes some sense kinda.
[01:54] <farruinn> it's a security measure, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> Is there any free chat channel in freenode?
[01:56] <xemoka> hrmph.. well problem continues to be consistant.. looks like ubuntu isnt ready for my poor laptop..
[01:56] <benjami> and i dont wanted to install gnome and firefox and this stuff, why it is installed?
[01:56] <erich> Rotund: no idea.
[01:56] <Rotund> erich: actually, it has a "set internal variable'  I think that may be it
[01:56] <Tsjoklat> benjami you should have installed ubu custom
[01:56] <olorin> benjami: if you don't want to install gnome and firefox ... don't install Ubuntu and use another distro
[01:57] <erich> Rotund: i'm a debian user, and while i know the synaptic author closely - we worked together on integrating debtags with synaptic - i don't use synaptic myself. guis are always way to slow.
[01:57] <Tsjoklat> olorin that is not needed.. if he insists on using ubu he/she/it can but it is just a more difficult route
[01:57] <erich> Rotund: you can probably set the "default distribution" with that, but not arbitrary pins
[01:57] <Rotund> erich: It's nice to search for packages, but I do use apt-get quite a bit too
[01:57] <benjami> olorin, so thats the "open source way?
[01:58] <olorin> benjami: use debian then ...
[01:58] <benjami> olorin, i just cant believe it....theres no option
[01:59] <benjami> ^
[01:59] <olorin> benjami: i mean you can ... but ... use the good tools for the goor job ...
[01:59] <olorin> benjami: but it's not the philosophy of ubuntu ...
[01:59] <olorin> benjami: and if you look correctly you can choose the expert installation method at boot time ;)
[02:00] <Tsjoklat> benjami what is it that you want then? KDE?
[02:00] <benjami> theres an expert option? ....yeah maybe kde
[02:01] <olorin> benjami: yes there is different installation method
[02:01] <benjami> and then i can choose what i want to instlal?
[02:01] <Tsjoklat> benjami when you install 'custom' you can pick a base install: ubuntu-base and take it from there
[02:01] <olorin> benjami: i think it's not the expert method you need, i don't remeber her name but just have a look at boot time
[02:01] <olorin> Tsjoklat: Custom that's it :)
[02:02] <erich> Rotund: more for browsing that for searching actually. For mere searching i prefer "apt-cache search"
[02:02] <benjami> olorin, its the first option at installation?
[02:02] <farruinn> wow, why do so many people /msg here?
[02:02] <Rotund> erich: actually, on debian, I always use packages.debian.org
[02:02] <olorin> you might have to press F1 for more help i think
[02:02] <farruinn> Rotund, slow, apt-cache is awesome =)
[02:03] <olorin> benjami: you might have to press F1 for more help i think
[02:03] <Tsjoklat> olorin yes.. when the cd starts up at the prompt
[02:03] <Rotund> farruinn: I have it on a linode.  I can't afford that much HDD access  on my own machine at that point =)
[02:04] <Tsjoklat> benjami I would suggest you check out the wiki pages and/or the forum
[02:04] <Tsjoklat> do a search for custom install and it will help you further
[02:06] <benjami> ok, thanks so far :)
[02:08] <RalphNader> hello chan
[02:08] <RuffianSoldier> Hey - i just rebooted into Hoary
[02:08] <RuffianSoldier> looks the same :-\
[02:08] <RuffianSoldier> a bit
[02:08] <RuffianSoldier> font is different
[02:08] <zenwhen> hey RuffianSoldier do you post on the ubuntu forums?
[02:08] <olorin> RuffianSoldier: do you have problem with the gnome applets ?
[02:09] <RuffianSoldier> i dont think
[02:09] <zenwhen> oh
[02:09] <RuffianSoldier> i see a difference :-D
[02:09] <RuffianSoldier> new menu bars
[02:09] <RuffianSoldier> I know you
[02:09] <RuffianSoldier> i dont know if Im in XOrg or XFree though
[02:09] <Tsjoklat> hey zenwhen
[02:09] <zenwhen> hey Tsjoklat
[02:09] <olorin> RuffianSoldier: xorg ;)
[02:10] <GotD0t> RuffianSoldier: check which config file is in /etc/X11
[02:10] <zenwhen> can you ge ton ICQ?
[02:10] <RuffianSoldier> one problem - the background looks like its in low color or little colors
[02:10] <Tsjoklat> I amon ICQ
[02:10] <zenwhen> Oh
[02:10] <zenwhen> I dont see you :(
[02:10] <Tsjoklat> your typing is contagious :P
[02:11] <Tsjoklat> me be invisable
[02:11] <Tsjoklat> I sees you :P
[02:11] <zenwhen> msg me
[02:11] <zenwhen> :)
[02:11] <RuffianSoldier> Ummmm - i see a XF86Config-4
[02:11] <RuffianSoldier> :-/
[02:11] <olorin> RuffianSoldier: do you see a xorg.conf ?
[02:11] <erich> Is there a readahead-early.list file available for ubuntu somewhere?
[02:11] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[02:11] <RuffianSoldier> I see it lol
[02:12] <olorin> RuffianSoldier: so it's xorg ;)
[02:12] <RuffianSoldier> how can I make it 32bit color?
[02:12] <Tsjoklat> edit the xorg.conf
[02:12] <olorin> RuffianSoldier: like in Xfree
[02:13] <olorin> RuffianSoldier: Section "Screen"
[02:13] <olorin> RuffianSoldier: DefaultDepth    24
[02:13] <RuffianSoldier> kk
[02:13] <olorin> RuffianSoldier: and put 32
[02:13] <defunkt> i need someone who is very well versed in linux, please
[02:13] <Tsjoklat> try sudo though :P
[02:14] <olorin> defunkt: so what's your problem ?
[02:14] <defunkt> please msg me if you can, i need some pretty detailed help
[02:14] <defunkt> can i pm you olorin?
[02:14] <Tsjoklat> defunkt I would just toss the question in here
[02:14] <olorin> defunkt: pm ?
[02:14] <farruinn> wtf is up with /msg?
[02:14] <Tsjoklat> private message olarin
[02:14] <defunkt> ok i'll just toss it here
[02:14] <defunkt> i switched from windows to ubuntu about 4 days ago
[02:14] <Tsjoklat> which is good
[02:14] <defunkt> i had 2 40 gigs
[02:15] <olorin> defunkt: yes you ca
[02:15] <olorin> n
[02:15] <Tsjoklat> alrighty
[02:15] <defunkt> i tossed all the files i needed i backup on my slave which is formatted in win2k ntfs
[02:15] <defunkt> now i need to figure out how to mount that drive so that i can grab those files off the slave
[02:15] <defunkt> then format the slave to ext3 again
[02:15] <Rotund> you should be able to read from it
[02:15] <Tsjoklat> but you can't write to it
[02:15] <LinuxJones> defunkt, check this out >> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:16] <olorin> defunkt: i understand pretty wel
[02:16] <Tsjoklat> there is a big chance you corrupt it
[02:16] <Rotund> yeah, don't write
[02:16] <Rotund> at all
[02:16] <defunkt> no i won't
[02:16] <Tsjoklat> so you need a grub line?
[02:16] <defunkt> it is not automatically recognized
[02:16] <Tsjoklat> is that what you are saying?
[02:16] <defunkt> if that is what it takes
[02:17] <Tsjoklat> do you want mine?
[02:17] <olorin> defunkt: so you have to mount the ntds partition manually
[02:17] <defunkt> yes,
[02:17] <Rotund> you can't just mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt/
[02:17] <defunkt> that is correct
[02:17] <Rotund> I think that should work
[02:17] <olorin> just adding a line into /etc/fstabfor that
[02:17] <Rotund> may need -t ntfs
[02:17] <crimsun> mount -t ntfs -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/hdd1 /mnt/ntfs
[02:17] <olorin> or temporary mount the partition into /mnt
[02:17] <defunkt> can someone please walk me through that step by step?  seriously i am really new to linux :X
[02:18] <farruinn> defunkt, just go to the terminal and enter what crimsun said
[02:18] <LinuxJones> defunkt, >> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:18] <Rotund> farruinn: there probably isn't a /mnt/ntfs
[02:18] <defunkt> no there isn't
[02:18] <crimsun> (that assumes your ntfs partition is /dev/hdd1 and that /mnt/ntfs has been created)
[02:18] <Rotund> he'll need to make that
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> /dev/hda1       /windows/C      ntfs    ro,noauto,users,gid=users,umask=0002,nls=iso8859-1 0 0
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> that's mine defunkt
[02:18] <farruinn> oi, sorry :-/
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> but be aware I have restrictions on it and I use ISO not UTF
[02:20] <Tsjoklat> btw that's fstab not grub defunkt sorry
[02:21] <defunkt> oh, ok.  thank you Tsjoklat :)
[02:21] <defunkt> i appreciate it guys
[02:21] <crimsun> np
[02:21] <Tsjoklat> defunkt did you make a partion fat? so you can write/read? or no need for that?
[02:21] <Quest-Master> lol
[02:22] <Quest-Master> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/facts/default.mspx
[02:22] <ubuntu> hello, i cant find the page where it says how I can upgrade to hoary
[02:22] <Tsjoklat> ubuntu change your sources.list from warty to hoary
[02:22] <Tsjoklat> cd /etc/apt
[02:22] <defunkt> well i gotta save these vital files first
[02:22] <defunkt> but i think i can figure it out from here
[02:22] <Tsjoklat> or do it through synaptic
[02:22] <olorin> ubuntu: hum ... google ( ubuntu, hoary ) and it's the first page ...
[02:23] <defunkt> just wasn't sure how to mount that hdd
[02:23] <Tsjoklat> defunkt that should work.. the example I gave you.. just edit to your needs
[02:23] <ubuntu> Tsjoklat, thanks just the 2 main 1 ?
[02:24] <crimsun> ubuntu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[02:24] <Tsjoklat> ubuntu you need four lines two for archives and two for security
[02:24] <ubuntu> thanks
[02:24] <Tsjoklat> ubuntu make sure you have: main restricted universe multiverse in it
[02:24] <Tsjoklat> that way you will be able to get everything
[02:25] <LinuxJones> Quest-Master, any website that quotes Laura DiDido is pure trash. She is a total idiot with regards to Linux and technology in general.
[02:25] <Tsjoklat> ubuntu after you edited your sources.list (through apt or synaptic) do an update then a dist-upgrade
[02:25] <Tsjoklat> ubuntu you know how to do that?
[02:27] <ubuntu> yea
[02:27] <ubuntu> synaptic easy
[02:27] <Tsjoklat> it is but it has 'issues'
[02:27] <ubuntu> sources.list also
[02:27] <ubuntu> thanks :)
[02:27] <ubuntu> i just wish it worked but it runs slow on my pc =\
[02:28] <Tsjoklat> I find doing it through console easier but if you like synaptic use that
[02:28] <Tsjoklat> synaptic is slow on your box? as in?
[02:28] <ubuntu> i have a celeron 635mhz 256mb, 20gb .
[02:28] <ubuntu> no ubuntu is slow
[02:28] <ubuntu> 19gb root, 1gb swap
[02:28] <Tsjoklat> that's a first I heard ubuntu... ubu being slow
[02:28] <Hikaru79|Clone> Hey, I'm interested in buying a digital camcorder; can anyone who has some knowledge in this area please help me compare a few items?
[02:28] <ubuntu> =\
[02:29] <Tsjoklat> Hikaru79 make sure you can get the nix drivers for it..
[02:29] <Hikaru79|Clone> Tsjoklat, lol :P
[02:29] <amathis> is there a good program that I can pick up radio streams?/??
[02:29] <Hikaru79|Clone> Not sure if any of them have nix drivers
[02:29] <amathis> like live365?
[02:29] <Hikaru79|Clone> amathis, try gxine or xmms
[02:29] <amathis> no... I mean a program that will find me the streams
[02:29] <sjoerd> Hikaru79|Clone: get a dv one with firewire, then you can use it in gnu/linux
[02:30] <Hikaru79|Clone> Tsjoklat, so can you just help me with deciding between a Panasonic and a SOny?
[02:30] <Hikaru79|Clone> sjoerd, I see
[02:30] <farruinn> I don't see how tons of swap will make your system faster - I mean RAM is fast, not my harddrive
[02:30] <ubuntu> i thought swap helps
[02:30] <Hikaru79|Clone> amathis, gxine has a fairly large pre-built list of media marks into it
[02:30] <Hikaru79|Clone> *built into
[02:30] <farruinn> well yes, but it's slow
[02:30] <ubuntu> so i gave it more than 512mb
[02:30] <ubuntu> I never heard anybody other than me calling my system slow
[02:30] <ubuntu> first time too
[02:31] <ubuntu> they say its fast , but i also need more ram but i cant get anymore though so i gotta stick with this
[02:31] <Hikaru79|Clone> Tsjoklat, sjoerd, anyone have experience with either the Panasonic PVGS15 MiniDV Compact DigiCam or the Sony DCRHC40 MiniDV Digital Handycam?
[02:31] <Hikaru79|Clone> Both are dv with firewire
[02:31] <Hikaru79|Clone> Not really looking for *nix functionality; just a feature set in general
[02:32] <Hikaru79|Clone> I know #ubuntu might not be the best place for it *blush* But it's worth a shot to see if anyone here can offer some guidance :)
[02:34] <emoxer> okay im having a problem, why doesn't ubuntu allow root accounts, and if anyone knows how to add ownership to a directory through a regular user account please tell me.
[02:34] <emoxer> this is frustrating :[
[02:35] <mjt> root account is required, it can't be disallowed... ;)
[02:35] <emoxer> well do you know how to login with it?
[02:35] <farruinn> ubhuti rootsudo
[02:35] <ubhuti> By default root is disabled in Ubuntu.  Instead use sudo.  If you haven't already, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo.
[02:35] <mjt> do you know how to login "with" other account?
[02:35] <emoxer> because i keep putting root as the user name when i login and it doesnt let me, and i already set a new pw for it.
[02:36] <emoxer> alright well, do you know how to copy and paste a folder through sudo?
[02:36] <emoxer> thnx for helping btw
[02:37] <farruinn> emoxer, so you have enabled your root user?
[02:37] <emoxer> i suppose i did, through sudo
[02:37] <emoxer> but it is not letting me when i logout to login with it
[02:38] <farruinn> how did you go about enabling root with sudo?
[02:38] <emoxer> sudo passwd root
[02:38] <maruen> ?
[02:39] <farruinn> huh, and the password you set isn't working?
[02:39] <emoxer> nope.
[02:40] <farruinn> well, if I were you I'd just use sudo -s -H for now
[02:40] <defunkt> ok well
[02:41] <defunkt> i got it mounted
[02:41] <thenuke> what is that -H?
[02:41] <defunkt> but when i check computer > disks > mnt > win2k
[02:41] <defunkt> it brings up a blank screen but it shows that there is only like 32.9 gigs left available
[02:41] <farruinn> thenuke, changes $HOME variable so you can do things like apt-get install and what not
[02:42] <farruinn> thenuke, go ahead and try running apt-get install after getting a root shell via sudo -s =)
[02:42] <thenuke> hm, I have used apt-get without -H I think
[02:42] <mjt> is it always this "loudly" here in #ubuntu?
[02:42] <emoxer> do you know where i can find the list of packages for ubuntu?
[02:42] <thenuke> atleast I think so :)
[02:42] <thenuke> might not be so then if it does not work
[02:42] <defunkt> emoxer: synaptek?
[02:43] <emoxer> how do i get to that?
[02:43] <PotajiTo> what are the pros and contras of using sudo? i use it it in ubuntu and for me is practically the same
[02:43] <thenuke> PotajiTo: I cant figure out any cons
[02:43] <emoxer> it says "you must run this program as the root user"
[02:43] <mike998> PotajiTo: how do you mean?
[02:43] <defunkt> computer > system configuration > synaptic package manager
[02:44] <farruinn> PotajiTo, the wiki does a good job of explaining: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:44] <DagaZ> I did this: sudo ln -f /media/cdrom1 /dev/dvd but I did set it wrong.. how do I change it? it should be /media/cdrom0
[02:44] <thenuke> PotajiTo: and it might be more secure to not enable the root account
[02:44] <emoxer> holy crap.
[02:44] <emoxer> thanks, i didnt know they had this!
[02:44] <emoxer> lol
[02:44] <DagaZ> ln -s I mean
[02:45] <olorin> DagaZ: just delete the link you just create an make the new one
[02:45] <DagaZ> olorin: rm /media/cdrom1?
[02:46] <mjt> DagaZ: any other ideas? ;-P
[02:46] <olorin> DagaZ: i suppose you wanted to create un new dvd link ...
[02:46] <DagaZ> mjt: n00bwarning on me.. ok ;)
[02:46] <DagaZ> olorin: that is what I want..
[02:47] <olorin> DagaZ: i'm maybe wrong but the command is ... ln -s /dev/dvd /dev/cdrom0
[02:47] <olorin> DagaZ: target at the end of the command
[02:47] <DagaZ> olorin: ok
[02:48] <olorin> DagaZ:
[02:48] <olorin> DagaZ: i'm wrong :d
[02:48] <olorin> so ... just delete /dev/dvd
[02:50] <DagaZ> thx.. now it works..
[02:50] <emoxer> alright, so im still having the same problem logging in as root
[02:50] <emoxer> =[
[02:51] <mjt> are you sure you want to log in as root?
[02:51] <hazmat> i've tried to compile thunderbird from source on warty, (ppc) but when i start it up the fonts look horrendous.. is there some missing magic needed ?
[02:51] <emoxer> well the thing is i just want ownership to a folder
[02:51] <maruen> DagaZ could you help me to install xfce4 in ubuntu
[02:51] <emoxer> i want to add some skin files to xmms
[02:51] <emoxer> lol
[02:51] <maruen> ??
[02:51] <emoxer> its not letting me do anything under the /usr/ folders
[02:51] <Tsjoklat> emoxer it is in /home/user/.xmms
[02:51] <mjt> DO NOT change permissions in /usr
[02:52] <Tsjoklat> put your skins in that dir: .xmms/skins/
[02:52] <emoxer> oh, yeah? opps rofl ;x
[02:52] <emoxer> sry im a n00b
[02:53] <mjt> btw, a friend of mine once played with *nix... the first thing he did was changing ownership of /etc and /etc/shadow so he is able to view/edit files from his win machine using samba...
[02:53] <emoxer> damn
[02:53] <emoxer> i am a moron
[02:53] <RalphNader> okay, super noob question
[02:53] <farruinn> wasn't there a distro called lindows?  made virtually every user root or something?
[02:53] <RalphNader> where are my kernel sources? synaptic shows them installed, but they're not in /usr/src
[02:53] <mjt> farruinn: linspire now
[02:54] <emoxer> all i had to click was "show hidden files"
[02:54] <emoxer> lol
[02:54] <emoxer> yeah, i believe linspire does put every user as root
[02:54] <emoxer> i used it for about two days, it blew
[02:54] <farruinn> RalphNader, dpkg -L package will tell you where files are installed from package
[02:55] <RalphNader> n/m, I'm retarded
[02:55] <RalphNader> the source tarball is right there
[02:55] <RalphNader> ahahaha
[02:55] <amathis> anyone here use streamtuner?
[02:55] <crimsun> RalphNader: /usr/src/linux-source-`uname -r`
[02:55] <crimsun> .tar.bz2
[02:55] <emoxer> yay, now i got a pretty xmms
[02:55] <RalphNader> yes
[02:55] <emoxer> thanks guys. lol
[02:55] <crimsun> err, it's just the main without EXTRAVERSION, sorry
[02:56] <emoxer> welp
[02:56] <emoxer> im gonna go drink a beer and pop a xanax bar, get tore up
[02:56] <emoxer> ill bbl
[02:57] <mjt> emoxer: but you HAVE to learn how to do something as root, anyway.. i think ;)
[02:58] <RalphNader> I recently installed linspire on an old p2 box
[02:58] <RalphNader> played with it
[02:58] <RalphNader> and yes, it makes everyone root
[02:58] <RalphNader> the /home is really /root
[02:58] <RalphNader> it also tries to sell you on a package upgrade service
[02:58] <emoxer> what task would i need to perform as root
[02:58] <emoxer> lol
[02:58] <RalphNader> you subscribe and it lets you have access to repositories that are free elsewhere
[02:58] <farruinn> rm -rf / ;-)
[02:58] <farruinn> don't nobody do that!
[02:59] <emoxer> rofl
[03:00] <emoxer> as a kid i used to tell people a hacking program comes out if you go to commandline and type deltree /y C:\
[03:00] <emoxer> on windows
[03:01] <xxorroxx> and they believed something that stupid ?
[03:01] <emoxer> yes.
[03:01] <emoxer> LOL
[03:01] <xxorroxx> doubtful..
[03:01] <emoxer> doubtful, how so?
[03:01] <xxorroxx> were you doing this on AOL preteen chat or what ..
[03:01] <emoxer> i'd tell people online
[03:01] <emoxer> because they'd ask me
[03:01] <emoxer> lol
[03:02] <emoxer> i used to do that to the school computers when i was in middle/high school
[03:02] <emoxer> and the computer technicians would come in with a windows 98 cd and still not be able to fix it
[03:02] <emoxer> since they need to format the drive after that
[03:02] <emoxer> roflmao
[03:02] <Tsjoklat> emoxer is that xanax bar you were talking about your medication?
[03:02] <xxorroxx> 0_o
[03:02] <emoxer> nah.
[03:02] <emoxer> lol
[03:02] <emoxer> why?
[03:03] <Tsjoklat> you seem a tad hyper
[03:03] <xxorroxx> hes goofy :P
[03:03] <emoxer> nah actually xanax is a anti-depressant
[03:03] <emoxer> it makes you lazy.
[03:03] <emoxer> i havent taken it yet
[03:03] <Tsjoklat> well perhaps you should
[03:03] <emoxer> no beer in the fridge so i put one in
[03:03] <Tsjoklat> you are giving me a bleeding headache with your rambling :P
[03:03] <xxorroxx> hes been chewing some kind of uppers
[03:03] <xxorroxx> hehe
[03:03] <emoxer> why. lol
[03:03] <hazmat> is hoary stable?
[03:03] <seb128> no
[03:03] <Tsjoklat> hazmat no
[03:03] <hazmat> let me rephrase does it crash all the time?
[03:04] <seb128> yes
[03:04] <Tsjoklat> hazmat yes
[03:04] <xxorroxx> whats the best customizable linux live cd .. with documentation on how to change/add stuff
[03:04] <Tsjoklat> lol sorry seb128 I didn't mean to become your parrot
[03:04] <seb128> no problem :p
[03:04] <emoxer> ubuntu's been the best linux i've used so far
[03:04] <emoxer> besides the fact that i cant read my fat32 drives
[03:04] <emoxer> but w/e
[03:05] <hazmat> i'd really like to use thunderbird instead of evo for email, compiling thunderbird (1.0) from source results in horrible fonts by default, i was curious if anyone had any suggestions as to a possible cause.
[03:05] <hazmat> i'm on ppc, so binaries are non existent.
[03:05] <xxorroxx> emoxer: why cant you read your fat32 drives .. is support built into your kernel ?
[03:05] <seb128> just don't build from sources
[03:05] <seb128> use the packages
[03:05] <hazmat> the packages are extremely old
[03:05] <emoxer> no clue
[03:05] <seb128> hazmat, like 2 month yes
[03:05] <emoxer> i've just had ubuntu today
[03:05] <hazmat> like 0.8 for thunderbird
[03:06] <seb128> that's the older stuff ever
[03:06] <hazmat> vs. 1.0 which is out now
[03:06] <Tsjoklat> seb128 are you aware of the issues of gnome-panel in hoary?
[03:06] <seb128> no way to use that old stuff for sure
[03:06] <farruinn> hazmat, are you building from debian sources, as in apt-get source -b mozilla-thunderbird ?
[03:06] <seb128> Tsjoklat, no
[03:06] <farruinn> debian source packages that is
[03:06] <hazmat> farruinn, no from dist source, i took a look at the gentoo ebuild, and i'm downloading the deb source to look how they compile things.
[03:06] <Tsjoklat> seb128 some people in the ubu-nl channel are having problems with the gnome-panel in hoary
[03:07] <seb128> what kind of problem ?
[03:07] <emoxer> anyone used xandros?
[03:07] <Tsjoklat> seb128 it's because the complainer is sitting next to you
[03:07] <Tsjoklat> seb128 he set me up!
[03:08] <Tsjoklat> oh sjoer you are so dusted toast
[03:08] <Tsjoklat> sjoerd too
[03:08] <Tsjoklat> seb128 when you get that t-shirt.. hand it to me and I will happily strangle sjoerd with it
[03:08] <farruinn> you guys are at Mataro?
[03:08] <seb128> yep
[03:08] <crimsun> (they are)
[03:08] <seb128> Tsjoklat, ok :)
[03:09] <Tsjoklat> seb128 no charge :)
[03:10] <seb128> hazmat, seriously hoary doesn't crash but it's a devel branch
[03:10] <Tsjoklat> seb128 do me a favor? kick him right now for me
[03:10] <seb128> hazmat, you can get some packages from here
[03:10] <emoxer> anyone know the sudo apt-get code for wine
[03:10] <hazmat> hmm.. that would probably work for this
[03:10] <hazmat> seb128, thanks, i was curious about that
[03:10] <crimsun> emoxer: sudo apt-get install wine
[03:10] <emoxer> genius.
[03:10] <emoxer> thanks
[03:11] <seb128> hazmat, but don't complain about stuff like the gnome-panel menus back to the upstream layout
[03:11] <emoxer> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:11] <hazmat> seb128, not going to upgrade atm, just going to grab thunderbird 0.96 from hoary
[03:12] <crimsun> emoxer: make sure you have 'universe'
[03:12] <crimsun> in your sources
[03:12] <seb128> hazmat, ok
[03:12] <emoxer> i dont know what you're talking about
[03:12] <crimsun> emoxer: are you using warty?
[03:12] <amathis> emoxer: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:12] <emoxer> yeah.
[03:12] <amathis> make sure universe is uncommented
[03:12] <Tsjoklat> emoxer make sure you got main restricted universe multiverse
[03:12] <Tsjoklat> emoxer and take your medication beforehand
[03:12] <crimsun> emoxer: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main universe
[03:13] <emoxer> alright
[03:13] <emoxer> :] 
[03:13] <crimsun> or enable it in Synaptic
[03:13] <emoxer> how do i do that?
[03:14] <crimsun> open Synaptic and add the universe source :-)
[03:14] <crimsun> then refresh
[03:14] <farruinn> btw, I finally got the pinning with apt, thanks to those that helped!
[03:14] <crimsun> apt-pinning rocks
[03:15] <farruinn> it certainly does!  I had always thought that it was some mysterious, arcane thing that I would never understand, but it's really not that complex
[03:15] <crimsun> nope, it really isn't.
[03:15] <sebas> Is ubuntu a good choice for a kde based notebook?
[03:15] <crimsun> sebas: if you don't mind using kde 3.2, not a bad choice
[03:16] <crimsun> farruinn: helps me keep my sid+experimental+hoary install semi-sane :P
[03:16] <sebas> crimsun: Hm, the 3.3 packages from unstable are not yet available?
[03:16] <crimsun> sebas: only in hoary
[03:16] <farruinn> crimsun, lol, it may be sane but you must not be!
[03:16] <zaofreek> will the ati binary drivers work with hoary?
[03:16] <sebas> I read in the faq that basically all packages from debian repo's are available, but I asked myself if it'd be a good idea mixing debian with ubuntu.
[03:16] <crimsun> farruinn: Debian sid users typically aren't "sane" :P
[03:17] <calc> i know i'm not ;)
[03:17] <crimsun> ah, the kde defector!
[03:17] <calc> but then i run ubuntu now ;)
[03:17] <crimsun> :P
[03:17] <emoxer> damn crimsun im confused.
[03:17] <emoxer> there's like a whole mess of deb directories in sources.list
[03:17] <calc> i think kde was what drove me insane though not sid
[03:17] <farruinn> crimsun, I've forgotten, which is unstable, sid or sarge?  I used debian unstable for some time
[03:17] <crimsun> calc: quite understandable
[03:17] <crimsun> you've done admirably for quite some time
[03:18] <sebas> farruinn: unstable is sid, sarge is testing yet
[03:18] <crimsun> emoxer: look for the line beginning with "deb ... universe"
[03:18] <crimsun> emoxer: uncomment that, then `sudo apt-get update'
[03:18] <zaofreek> i end up with no hardware acceleration, and my XFree86.0.log says "(II) fglrx(0): doing DRIScreenInit
[03:18] <zaofreek> drmOpenDevice: minor is 0
[03:18] <zaofreek> drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
[03:18] <zaofreek> "
[03:18] <emoxer> i dont know what you mean by uncomment
[03:18] <sebas> Is there kde on the livecd btw?
[03:19] <crimsun> emoxer: make sure there's not a hash mark at the beginning of the line
[03:19] <farruinn> sebas, there is no kde on the livecd or the install cd
[03:19] <farruinn> if you want it you must apt-get it from the net
[03:19] <emoxer> #
[03:19] <sebas> Ok :)
[03:19] <emoxer> ^that?
[03:19] <crimsun> emoxer: yep
[03:19] <emoxer> it does.
[03:19] <sebas> Thx guys for the quick answers!
[03:19] <crimsun> emoxer: remove that character :)
[03:20] <sebas> That's been the things I asked myself about Ubuntu.
[03:20] <zaofreek> is xorg 6.8 installed when xorg-common is installed?
[03:20] <farruinn> sebas, one of Ubuntu's goals is to have a one-cd install, so that's partly why there's no kde
[03:20] <zaofreek> anyone?
[03:20] <emoxer> great, it only lets me "read-only"
[03:20] <emoxer> the sources.list
[03:20] <emoxer> lol
[03:20] <crimsun> zaofreek: xorg-common is among many X.Org packages, but yes, it will be
[03:20] <zaofreek> well, i've read that the binary drivers will not work with xorg 6.8.0
[03:20] <crimsun> emoxer: make sure you're editing it with sudo
[03:20] <zaofreek> but i believe i still have xfree installed
[03:21] <emoxer> oh..
[03:21] <zaofreek> xserver-xorg is not installed
[03:21] <zaofreek> emoxer: what program are you using?
[03:21] <emoxer> i was using gnome
[03:21] <crimsun> emoxer: you may find Synaptic more straightforward
[03:21] <sebas> farruinn: I'm tinkering if I'd suggest a friend of mine Ubuntu or Sarge on his notebook, he's a first time user and I want to have him installed a straight forward and complete system.
[03:21] <emoxer> yeah, i think so too
[03:21] <crimsun> sebas: Ubuntu Warty.
[03:21] <farruinn> sebas, I would definitely go with warty
[03:21] <farruinn> it *just works*
[03:22] <sebas> So I wondered if Ubuntu's a good choice, he's known to KDE and likes it, so I'd rather have him install kde 3.3 than gnome
[03:22] <sebas> What is warty?
[03:22] <crimsun> sebas: Warty is the stable release currently.
[03:22] <sebas> Sorry for not having read the faq completely
[03:22] <crimsun> sebas: he can use KDE 3.2
[03:23] <sebas> Are the KDE packages well maintained and are there upgrades often enough?
[03:23] <crimsun> sebas: there are no normal updates to Warty. That's why it's called "stable." (There are high-priority bugfixes and security updates.)
[03:23] <sebas> Ah, ok.
[03:24] <sebas> And what name does the 'unstable' release have?
[03:24] <crimsun> the development branch is called Hoary.
[03:24] <sebas> Ah, makes sense then :)
[03:24] <crimsun> it currently has a mix of 3.3.1 and 3.3.2
[03:24] <sebas> Hm, nice.
[03:24] <crimsun> granted, you get the whole unstable flux with it
[03:24] <sebas> I'm compiling 3.3.2 right now (well, for the last 30hours...)
[03:24] <farruinn> sebas, if this person is a first time user I would definitely not put him through hoary
[03:24] <crimsun> when things break, you keep all the pieces
[03:25] <farruinn> sebas, are you on ppc?
[03:25] <sebas> Nope, i386_32
[03:25] <sebas> Running Gentoo on this machine.
[03:25] <zaofreek> so having xorg-common installed does _not_ mean xorg is installed?
[03:25] <crimsun> compiling kde? you _are_ a masochist. ;)
[03:26] <farruinn> aaaaah, ok.  the kde packages aren't compiled for ppc in warty
[03:26] <sebas> Yeah, today I *really* realize that :|
[03:26] <crimsun> zaofreek: you really should check the output of `X -version'
[03:26] <DeviantDog> we need some drivers for ati and xorg ati needs to get off their rear and provide...
[03:26] <sebas> This machine is on full load for about one and a half days, source base distro's suck :P
[03:26] <crimsun> for instance: X Window System Version 6.8.1 (Ubuntu 6.8.1-1ubuntu6 20041209123832 root@macaroni.warthogs.hbd.com)
[03:27] <zaofreek> xfree86 Version 4.3.0.1
[03:27] <sebas> Oh, reminds me of which ... what about Xorg and Ubuntu?
[03:27] <crimsun> zaofreek: yep, that's still XFree86 :)
[03:27] <crimsun> sebas: only Hoary has X.Org
[03:27] <zaofreek> crimsun: why the errors then?
[03:27] <sebas> It's using Xfree86 atm, I suppose?
[03:27] <sebas> Ow, cool!
[03:27] <crimsun> zaofreek: what errors?
[03:27] <Quest-Master> When's the next Ubuntu release?
[03:27] <crimsun> Quest-Master: October+6 mounts
[03:28] <crimsun> months^
[03:28] <Quest-Master> Ah
[03:28] <crimsun> zaofreek: use a paste web site if necessary
[03:28] <DeviantDog> anyone know how is ubuntu warty at running of a SATA drive?
[03:28] <noda> When I close the lid on my laptop (Radeon Mobility 9000 graphics card), the screen fades out and turns off... then it *turns back on* and shows a blinking cursor in the top-left corner. Anyone know how to make the screen stay off?
[03:28] <crimsun> doesn't calc use ubuntu on SATA?
[03:28] <zaofreek> crimsun: just a minute
[03:29] <noda> I tried changing the position of the chvt line in /etc/acpi/lid.sh... but the screen simply won't stay off
[03:30] <noda> (is it because the graphics device is being unloaded? I see messages suggesting that in dmesg)
[03:31] <zaofreek> http://www.goshen.edu/~nathanmm2/xlog
[03:32] <zaofreek> it's a different error than i have ever gotten
[03:33] <crimsun> zaofreek: note according to the log it can't access the 'fglrx' kernel module.
[03:33] <crimsun> zaofreek: make sure that's loaded.
[03:34] <noda> (you need to install linux-restricted-modules-blah to get the fglrx module)
[03:34] <zaofreek> ah, i see
[03:34] <zaofreek> i had it working before i upgraded it
[03:34] <crimsun> (sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`)
[03:34] <skua> hi. anyone knows if ubuntu recognize automatically wifi cards like cisco aironet?
[03:34] <ironwolf> skua: yes and yes
[03:34] <noda> skua: I know it automatically recognizes my Intel Pro Wireless 2100 :)
[03:34] <skua> ok thanks
[03:35] <skua> because i had problem with mine
[03:36] <skua> i tried other distros like knoppix and dsl and worked fine
[03:38] <zaofreek> "Package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-386 has no installation candidate"
[03:38] <exism> In Horary, i'm trying to install kdebase-dev and i'm getting the following error with a bunch of packages: Depends: kate (= 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2) but 4:3.3.0-1 is to be installed
[03:38] <noda> That's true, it doesn't :)
[03:38] <exism> any idea what i can do?
[03:38] <noda> exism: Probably just wait a day
[03:38] <exism> alright
[03:39] <exism> my second question would be if anyone has used the amarok package in hoary
[03:39] <DeviantDog> ?
[03:40] <zaofreek> there is no linux-restricted-modules package for 2.6.9?
[03:40] <noda> zaofreek: There will be...
[03:40] <zaofreek> downgrade then?
[03:41] <exism> apt has installed all the engines for amarok but when i open it it tells me that there is no engines installed
[03:42] <cgdef> is there an easy way to edit the MIME database
[03:43] <cgdef> I am trying to add a *service* so when I click on an irc:// link it opens up the irc client
[03:45] <zaofreek> if i remove 2.6.9, and 2.6.8 is still installed, i will still be able to boot, correct?
[03:46] <DagaZ> how do I get dcgui-qt to work in ubuntu?
[03:46] <zaofreek> i'm worried about it because 1)it gives me a warning about not being able to boot, and 2)grub goes straight to boot without a boot menu
[03:47] <erich> using "readahead" actually doubled my boot time... ouch.
[03:47] <zaofreek> do i just comment "hiddenmenu" in menu.lst?
[03:52] <zaofreek> thanks all for the help
[03:53] <hub> what is the policy for Mono ?
[03:53] <hub> is Beagle being packaged ?
[03:55] <__learner__> hey, do you know hot to put that cool images on the screen during boot? I have seen it on a site a log time ago, I think it was in slackware... Is there a way to do that. Something like  a splash  screen during boot. And a nice graphic Grub window.
[03:58] <Se7h> can someone tell me something?
[03:58] <mjt> something
[03:58] <Se7h> is there on the rep. a mono-frontend?
[03:58] <Se7h> lol
[03:59] <mjt> as you asked... ;)
[03:59] <Se7h> ;P
[04:01] <__learner__> what mono has that makes it so great? There's Lot's of people talking about it.
[04:02] <Se7h> __learner__ mono-project.com
[04:03] <erich> __learner__: apparently, C# is a nice language to write code in. With garbage collection and so. So if you wouldn't have to fear that M$ will dig up a dozen of patents next year to fight us and if it wouldn't run in a virutal machine it probably would be a nice language.
[04:04] <__learner__> LOL!
[04:05] <Se7h> o.0
[04:05] <__learner__> won't microsoft create incompatibilities to make mono work bad/don't work at all?
[04:05] <zenpod> why can't someone just make a C# compiler?
[04:05] <farruinn> C.. #...  rhymes with trash...
[04:06] <erich> __learner__: i guess many mono users don't care about .NIET compatibility
[04:06] <erich> they just like the language, and want to use gtk#
[04:06] <erich> farruinn: "C sharp" rhymes with trash? ;-)
[04:06] <zenpod> bring back BASIC!
[04:07] <erich> zenpod: BASIC is back, it's name is "Typo3" and it's a CMS system. But it has line numbers again.
[04:07] <erich> kind fo
[04:07] <farruinn> eh, ( # == sharp | # == hash ), whatever
[04:07] <erich> kind of, that is
[04:07] <erich> farruinn: sharp, as in music. ;-)
[04:07] <__learner__> why they don't care?
[04:07] <Quest-Master> Can mono use Visual Basic .NET yet?
[04:07] <farruinn> erich, hey I know what it's supposed to be, I just couldn't help myself
[04:08] <erich> __learner__: because they want to develop for linux, maybe?
[04:08] <erich> well, i'm off, playing around with readahead again.
[04:08] <Quest-Master> And how good is C# compared to Python? ;)
[04:09] <farruinn> well, they're really not languages to be compared... but I like python!
[04:09] <Quest-Master> I <3 Python
[04:09] <__learner__> I want to learn LUA. Have you ever heard of it?
[04:09] <Quest-Master> Yes.
[04:09] <Quest-Master> It's a good language.
[04:09] <Quest-Master> Actually, it's a rockin' language.
[04:09] <Quest-Master> It's probably the best interpreted language available.
[04:10] <Quest-Master> You can only use it to implement into your own applications though.
[04:10] <Quest-Master> You can't make your own stuff with it.
[04:10] <__learner__> I want the make a game, using an SDL/C++/Lua engine.
[04:11] <Quest-Master> You build the engine in C++/SDL, and use Lua to do the actual scripting of the game (conversations, events, etc.)
[04:11] <Quest-Master> How good are you with C++ and SDL?
[04:12] <__learner__> I created a graphic engine using SDL (under windows, never tried it in linux). But soon I discovered I needed somehting more powerfull and faster than C++ to do levels and games.
[04:12] <am> i just installed ubuntu, but i never got the option to set a root password. Why is this
[04:12] <zenpod> am, ubuntu does not use root
[04:13] <__learner__> I made a demo. if you want I can guive it to you. But as I said, I never tried it under linux.
[04:13] <farruinn> ubhuti, rootsudo
[04:13] <ubhuti> By default root is disabled in Ubuntu.  Instead use sudo.  If you haven't already, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo.
[04:13] <am> ok, thanks
[04:13] <zenpod> ubhuti, fnord
[04:13] <ubhuti> zenpod: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:13] <zenpod> lol
[04:13] <zenpod> that's about right
[04:13] <__learner__> FNORD!
[04:13] <zenpod> ubhuti, fnord is all around you.
[04:13] <ubhuti> okay, zenpod
[04:14] <zenpod> ubhuti, fnord
[04:14] <ubhuti> I heard fnord is all around you.
[04:14] <farruinn> hehe
[04:14] <zenpod> whee.
[04:14] <__learner__> Fnord does not exist. If I belive on it. THEY will come ang get me...
[04:19] <Se7h> so tell me
[04:19] <Se7h> can u recomend me a good language compatible to both linux/win
[04:19] <Se7h> i meen
[04:20] <Quest-Master> Python.
[04:20] <Quest-Master> Python.
[04:20] <Quest-Master> Python!
[04:20] <Quest-Master> :)
[04:20] <Se7h> lol
[04:20] <mjt> C !
[04:20] <Se7h> w8
[04:20] <Se7h> i want it to build a good gui for a project
[04:20] <Quest-Master> Again.
[04:20] <Quest-Master> Python!
[04:20] <Quest-Master> ;)
[04:21] <Se7h> well
[04:21] <Se7h> i never saw something like an app writen in java
[04:21] <Se7h> build on python..
[04:21] <Se7h> i need mostly a good one for a gui
[04:21] <Quest-Master> Trust me. Python! GTK and Glade work wonders.
[04:22] <mjt> java works too, btw, and there's ALOT of programs (large and small) written on it
[04:22] <Se7h> mjt i know
[04:22] <mjt> python is a very good language to use, but it's sloooow.... ;)
[04:22] <Quest-Master> Not at all.
[04:22] <Se7h> thats my point
[04:22] <Se7h> for ie
[04:22] <Se7h> i don' want to loose time
[04:22] <Quest-Master> Anyone who says Python is slow has close to no experience with it. ;)
[04:22] <Quest-Master> Se7h: Python saves time.
[04:22] <Se7h> writing something just to search files
[04:23] <Quest-Master> Python > Java, btw.
[04:23] <Se7h> lol
[04:23] <Quest-Master> They both run at around the same speed.
[04:23] <Quest-Master> And Java has so much useless crap loaded into it, it's better to learn C++.
[04:23] <Se7h> dude
[04:23] <Quest-Master> Python is a very robust and clean language.
[04:24] <Se7h> if i want to build a gui with effect
[04:24] <Quest-Master> For people who want to get up and write apps. with little development time and quick results, you'll want Python.
[04:24] <Se7h> C++ will crap on me
[04:24] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[04:24] <Quest-Master> Use Python, not C++. :P
[04:24] <Se7h> well, imagine winamp5
[04:24] <Se7h> how would u do it in python ?
[04:25] <mjt> funny that, everything i've seen written in python is awfully slow, really.  Starting with mailman for example.
[04:25] <Quest-Master> I've never even heard of Mailman.
[04:25] <mjt> it's the Main App on Python
[04:25] <Se7h> well
[04:25] <Se7h> mjt i've writen a script in python
[04:25] <Quest-Master> Python apps. run depending on how well the person coded it.
[04:25] <Se7h> ands its fast
[04:25] <Quest-Master> The same goes for many other languages.
[04:26] <Se7h> my "problem" is
[04:26] <Quest-Master> Plus, I'd love to see Java using SDL and getting 200FPS.
[04:26] <Se7h> the gui
[04:26] <Quest-Master> :)
[04:26] <mjt> mailman is written by authors of python
[04:26] <Quest-Master> No OpenGL, nothing. Just SDL and 200FPS.
[04:26] <Quest-Master> Se7h: You can use Glade and GTK.
[04:26] <Se7h> never heard of glade
[04:27] <Quest-Master> sudo apt-get install glade2
[04:27] <mroth> I'm interested in learning Gtk# and Mono, but I havent had time to look into that yet
[04:27] <Quest-Master> Or glade-2, I believe
[04:27] <mroth> the gnome peeps seem to be pushing it though
[04:27] <Quest-Master> C# looks interesting.
[04:28] <Se7h> like i said
[04:28] <Se7h> something good for a good gui
[04:28] <Se7h> java or C#
[04:28] <mroth> is anyone running ubunutu on a apple powerbook?
[04:28] <Quest-Master> I wouldn't use Java..
[04:28] <Se7h> not me
[04:29] <Quest-Master> Except, Azureus.
[04:29] <Quest-Master> Best Java application ever created. \m/
[04:29] <Se7h> so as u see
[04:29] <farruinn> mroth, is it a powerbook specific question or mac specific?
[04:29] <Se7h> java can be very good
[04:29] <mroth> farruinn: powerbook specific.  my colleague cant get wpa_supplicant to work with his airport card.
[04:29] <farruinn> oi, I'm no good :-/
[04:30] <mroth> first time i havent been able to find anything at all about it on google, heh
[04:30] <farruinn> have you asked on #debianppc?
[04:30] <mroth> I did, but everyone is just idling ;-)
[04:31] <farruinn> yeah, they're helpful folks but it's a small channel
[04:33] <Tsjoklat> hey britt_radiofree
[04:39] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, yo
[04:39] <britt_radiofree> what's goin down clown?
[04:39] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree.. got all the probs solved?
[04:39] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, which ones? :) my life's full of em
[04:40] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree let's stick with ubu.. my office hours as head doctor are over
[04:41] <britt_radiofree> well ... I'm still trying to find a workaround to gtkspell only supporting your global locale settings, but the solution will probably just be to wait for gtkspell3 to be released
[04:41] <britt_radiofree> presently i'm trying to get mod_mono to work w/ apache2
[04:42] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree never doing anything the easy way huh? :P
[04:42] <britt_radiofree> where's the fun in that? :)
[04:42] <Se7h> well
[04:42] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree true true :)
[04:42] <Se7h> im off guys
[04:42] <Se7h> drinking time ;P
[04:43] <Se7h> l8er
[04:44] <britt_radiofree> ugh i'm jealous ... if I get all this crap done I might actually be able to make last call tonight
[04:44] <zenpod> head doctor?
[04:45] <zenpod> I need one ;)
[04:45] <zenpod> haha
[04:45] <moquist> k, i'm lost here.  how am I supposed to burn a CD?  i'm running hoary.  i could just use cdrecord, but I want to do it the noob way...
[04:45] <moquist> i don't see anything in the menu that will burn a cd.  :-o
[04:46] <farruinn> in nautilus go to burn:///
[04:46] <Tsjoklat> moquist right click on the file
[04:46] <Se7h> Quest-Master oh one more thing needed...is that is compatible with fmod
[04:47] <moquist> farruinn: ah - that's why I keep getting the "Burn:///" is not a valid location./Please check the spelling and try again." error.  Nautilus is trying to do the right thing, but something's broken.
[04:47] <moquist> Tsjoklat: I didn't find anything in the context menu, either.
[04:47] <Tsjoklat> moquist are you on hoary?
[04:47] <farruinn> moquist, the right-click thing only works for .iso's and such I think
[04:47] <moquist> Tsjoklat: Open with "Archive Manager", "Open with Other Application", Cut, Copy, Make Link, Rename, Move to Trash, Properties.
[04:47] <moquist> ISO in Hoary.
[04:48] <Tsjoklat> I heard something about that being busted, not sure though
[04:48] <moquist> Tsjoklat: I think it might be.  ;)
[04:48] <moquist> no problem.  i'll just use cdrecord.
[04:48] <Tsjoklat> moquist or use gnomebaker
[04:49] <moquist> Tsjoklat: appears not to be installed.
[04:49] <Tsjoklat> moquist it is a sep prog not in ubu sorry should have told you that
[04:49] <Tsjoklat> moquist but it is very good and if you don't want to d/l kdelibs and such
[04:50] <moquist> Tsjoklat: oh, ok.  np.  i'm actually happier using cdrecord, myself.  I just want to know what Ubuntu offers to the newbies - but I'm running Hoary, so of course things will be b0rken once in a while.
[04:50] <Gwildor> anyone know if this card will work in ubuntu? (http://www.pcchipsusa.com/prod-tvtunercard.asp)
[04:51] <Tsjoklat> moquist without a doubt.. just bite the sour apple eh
[04:52] <moquist> oh, fantastic.  cdrecord -scanbus errs out and tells me to run cdrecord -scanbus.  !!
[04:54] <Gwildor> lol
[04:55] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, is gnomebaker any good?
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree I think so... I like it
[04:56] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, is it written in c?
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> I wanted to avoid the kdelib drama
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> http://biddell.co.uk/gnomebaker.php
[04:56] <farruinn> Gwildor, have you checked the supported hardware wiki?
[04:57] <Gwildor> fabbione, i shall go
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> and it has deb files
[04:57] <britt_radiofree> hrm i'll have to check it out
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree you wanted a challenge... :P
[04:58] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, ugh I don't need any more, trust me :)
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree and here I am thinking I just made your day :)
[04:58] <moquist> hmm.  "nautilus-cd-burner" wasn't installed.  I installed it, and now burn:/// works.  (At least, I can get to it.  I haven't burned anything yet.)
[05:00] <Tsjoklat> moquist: duh? :P
[05:01] <farruinn> it would seem to me that ubuntu-desktop should depend on that
[05:02] <moquist> Tsjoklat: i'm rather shocked that the necessary package wasn't already installed.  if I was new to linux, I would've had no idea what to do.  :(
[05:02] <britt_radiofree> to do that you'd have to figure out the solution to: http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/mono-list/2004-September/023380.html
[05:02] <Tsjoklat> moquist I had it installed though .. funky
[05:02] <Gwildor> fabbione, its not in there
[05:03] <moquist> Tsjoklat: furthermore, I'm still flummoxed.  I don't have a clue how this thing is supposed to work.  If I drag an ISO into the window, am I going to get a CD with an ISO image, or an ISO containing another ISO?  Also, I don't even see how to tell it to burn the disc.  I don't *think* I'm being dense, here...
[05:03] <farruinn> Gwildor, lucky you =)
[05:03] <Garoboldy> greetings everyone.
[05:03] <britt_radiofree> moquist, for .iso files, you can right click on the files and select the burn option
[05:03] <farruinn> Gwildor, seriously I really don't know =(
[05:03] <moquist> britt_radiofree: but I *can't*.  I don't have that option.
[05:04] <Gwildor> bummer :(
[05:04] <britt_radiofree> moquist, that is not hoary specific ... you don't have the option after installing naut-cd-burn package?
[05:04] <moquist> britt_radiofree: nope.  do I need to log out and log in again?
[05:04] <britt_radiofree> restarting the session may help ... not sure though
[05:04] <Tsjoklat> moquist there is another thing you have to get... libburn0? something?
[05:05] <moquist> britt_radiofree: I closed all my nautilus windows and opened them again; I had figured that might be enough.
[05:05] <farruinn> moquist, nautilus is always running though, that's the only way you get a desktop
[05:05] <farruinn> unless you run nautilus --no-desktop
[05:05] <farruinn> (or something like that)
[05:06] <moquist> farruinn: i was wondering about that.
[05:06] <moquist> i'll try logging out.
[05:06] <ineedhelp> can anyone help me instal guifications for gaim?
[05:06] <Tsjoklat> ineedhelp with what?
[05:06] <farruinn> moquist I found that out when trying to run nautilus from within xfce or something =)
[05:06] <linux_galore> ??? @ gaim question
[05:07] <ineedhelp> it is giving me errors when i try to install
[05:07] <linux_galore> ineedhelp: as in missing packages
[05:07] <ineedhelp> im running the configure script again and ill show you the error
[05:07] <RalphNader> so I'm compiling a new kernel with kpkg
[05:07] <RalphNader> and I get a LOT of 'makes ponter from integer wihout a cast' warnings
[05:08] <RalphNader> are these semi-normal or have I borked something?
[05:08] <Garoboldy> ok, I am booting ubuntu and I specify expert nodma hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false
[05:08] <Quest-Master> Has anyone had the problem where a program just opens, and when you get it to do anything, it just crashes?
[05:08] <linux_galore> ineedhelp: yeah gaim needs a small pile of .dev libs
[05:08] <Garoboldy> when I get past detect and mount cd-rom I get this kernel modules needed
[05:08] <Tsjoklat> Quest-Master comes with hoary yes
[05:08] <Quest-Master> I'm in Warty :\
[05:08] <Garoboldy> ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy
[05:09] <moquist> farruinn, Tsjoklat, britt_radiofree: yup.  killed that vncsession and started another one, and now I have the "write to disc" option.  Thx.
[05:09] <farruinn> vncsession?
[05:09] <farruinn> oooh, n/m that
[05:09] <Tsjoklat> moquist happy happy joy joy and all that rot
[05:09] <ineedhelp> configure: error: Library requirements (gaim) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[05:09] <RalphNader> I just did a dist upgrade to hoary
[05:09] <Garoboldy> and now its just sitting there doing nothing
[05:09] <Quest-Master> As I have said before.. someone needs to port k3b
[05:09] <RalphNader> should I even try to boot from this kernel?
[05:09] <Garoboldy> i cant get any farther than that
[05:09] <Quest-Master> To Gnome, of course
[05:09] <linux_galore> ineedhelp: gaim wont compile on any standard install yet that Ive used without first having to install a small pile of dev libs  ie libgtkspell-dev
[05:10] <ineedhelp> where can i get that at?
[05:10] <farruinn> ineedhelp, try #gaim
[05:10] <linux_galore> ineedhelp: use synaptic
[05:10] <ineedhelp> nobody there was able to help me
[05:10] <linux_galore> ineedhelp: look at the libs its complaining about each on of those need to be installed
[05:10] <Garoboldy> anybody?
[05:11] <ineedhelp> ok thanks
[05:11] <RalphNader> Garoboldy, what kind of system, which ubuntu?
[05:11] <linux_galore> ineedhelp: you may have the standard lib already installed or not but remember you also need the dev package for the lib too
[05:12] <Garoboldy> warty
[05:12] <Garoboldy> its a 233mmx 64RAM
[05:12] <Garoboldy> older laptop
[05:12] <linux_galore> 64mb is a bit small
[05:12] <Garoboldy> yeah I know lol
[05:12] <linux_galore> idealy you need 128-256
[05:12] <Klowner_> ubuntu is hella slow on my 233mhz Pentium MMX lappy with 96mb ram
[05:13] <RalphNader> hmmmm
[05:13] <Garoboldy> went to two stores here locally to get some memory and none and edo memory LOL
[05:13] <linux_galore> well debian base with lets say xfce4 or black box to be honest would be better
[05:13] <RalphNader> edo's pretty outdated
[05:13] <Tsjoklat> hey klowner
[05:13] <RalphNader> almost impossible to find
[05:13] <Garoboldy> Gwildor is getting this laptop from me anyway, so we are just playin around with it right now
[05:14] <Klowner_> hiya Tsjoklat
[05:14] <Tsjoklat> :)
[05:14] <linux_galore> forks gnome and creates Gnome-lite
[05:14] <Garoboldy> so I should go with just debian straight off and use xfce4
[05:15] <linux_galore> Garoboldy: yes
[05:15] <Garoboldy> alright thanks gusy
[05:15] <Garoboldy> guys
[05:15] <Klowner_> Garoboldy: that's what I would suggest, or fluxbox.. somethin lighter than gentoo
[05:15] <Klowner_> err, gnome
[05:15] <Garoboldy> ok great
[05:15] <Tsjoklat> I could only get flux to work on gentoo
[05:15] <Tsjoklat> so hard to set up in ubu
[05:16] <Klowner_> no no, I like ubuntu
[05:17] <linux_galore> Gentoo - if its a file compile it
[05:17] <linux_galore> heh heh
[05:17] <RalphNader> so does anyone know the answer to my questino from earlier?
[05:17] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore I actually like gentoo.. but the d/l/compile/them going commercial made me run back to deb
[05:18] <RalphNader> are the 'makes pointer from integer without a cast" warnings normal when compiling a kernel? this is my first time
[05:18] <linux_galore> RalphNader: warning are normal
[05:18] <RalphNader> good news
[05:18] <RalphNader> I'm afraid to try and boot from it with these warnings
[05:18] <RalphNader> and there are a whole bunch
[05:18] <RalphNader> but all that same warning
[05:19] <Quest-Master> Gentoo is commercial?
[05:19] <Tsjoklat> RalphNader just get a coffee :)
[05:19] <linux_galore> RalphNader: well it it bombs then just hit reset and boot with the old kernel
[05:19] <Tsjoklat> Quest-Master yeah where have you been
[05:19] <RalphNader> lol
[05:19] <RalphNader> true
[05:19] <RalphNader> I'm actually watchign a movie
[05:19] <RalphNader> and doing this while it compiles
[05:19] <RalphNader> the ubuntu site mentioned something about a 20 min compile
[05:19] <RalphNader> lol, I'm on a p4 and it's been much longer
[05:20] <Quest-Master> Tsjoklat: I'm not up to date with them at all.. I haven't been to the site/IRC channel in months now
[05:20] <linux_galore> RalphNader: depends what your on
[05:20] <linux_galore> RalphNader: 20min on a P4 sounds a bit slow
[05:20] <Quest-Master> I would hate to compile a kernel
[05:21] <Klowner> compiling kernels isnt bad
[05:21] <Tsjoklat> Quest-Master apparently they had a main developer that poured all his savings into getting gentoo commercialized go bankrupt and spill the beans
[05:21] <Tsjoklat> google it
[05:21] <RalphNader> well I'm almost convinced it's looping
[05:21] <RalphNader> I keep seeing the same kind of modules go by
[05:22] <linux_galore> yeah I read that...he started the Gentoo Embedded fork and they were all....ooh yes you can be part of the team etc etc...give use you money etc etc..all turned out to be total BS took the code and the money and said thanks now go away
[05:22] <Klowner> compiling X is far more frustrating than a kernel, as far as patience goes
[05:22] <RalphNader> lol
[05:22] <RalphNader> haven't been down that path just yet
[05:23] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore they have postponed it.. to make the waves go down but yeah they are still going commercial
[05:23] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: suprised the original developer doesnt just take "HIS" code and fork it
[05:24] <Klowner> what would they accomplish by becoming "commercial"
[05:24] <Tsjoklat> get rich?
[05:24] <Tsjoklat> hey billytwowilly
[05:25] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> first make a commercial release, then...., next profit
[05:25] <linux_galore> well the original guys working on the gentoo embedded side said the gentoo guys were not very professional and dont keep promises and lie not only to the developers but to the user base
[05:25] <Tsjoklat> Blitzkrieg they get you hooked first :P
[05:26] <Klowner> I'll switch to ubuntu or debian then, gentoo isn't that freakin great
[05:26] <linux_galore> problem with the Gentoo comercial embedded distro is "they dont own the code" the original coder can force them to totally open source the whole lot
[05:26] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> I tried gentoo but if I want to compile things I will become a programmer
[05:27] <Klowner> right, they don't even package the sources
[05:27] <linux_galore> I compile stuff but its only when I need to do it
[05:27] <Klowner> it'd be stupid
[05:27] <Tsjoklat> so much for open source
[05:28] <linux_galore> I think wind river will bury Gentoo Embedded
[05:28] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> I have had very bad luck with compiling stuff myself, since I don't have a programming background I try to avoid it
[05:28] <billytwowilly> Tsjoklat, how's it going?
[05:29] <linux_galore> I personally dont find compiling stuff hard but then again Im a script junkie
[05:29] <Tsjoklat> binny going good.. got everything up and running?
[05:30] <Klowner> linux_galore: I've found it helps a lot to understand what tools do
[05:30] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> well I gotta say I really enjoy the apt-get verses the rpm..etc and it has made my transition that much easier
[05:31] <Klowner> Blitzkrieg-Billy: heck yeah, I haaaaate rpms
[05:31] <Tsjoklat> rpms hell
[05:31] <billytwowilly> Tsjoklat, kinda. I still haven't upgraded to 2.6.9  because I want to wait for the restricted modules to be updated.
[05:32] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> my two biggest hurdles with getting into linux was always 1. hardware/drives and 2. software installation
[05:32] <Tsjoklat> billytwowilly didn't they do that today?
[05:32] <billytwowilly> Tsjoklat, I'll have to check. I've been extremely hung over all day and haven't done anything;)
[05:32] <Tsjoklat> I had an email today saying they did
[05:33] <Tsjoklat> 	Accepted linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9 2.6.9-4 (source)
[05:33] <Tsjoklat> Date: 	Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:15:04 +0000 (GMT)  (08:15 PST)
[05:33] <Tsjoklat> billytwowilly that?
[05:33] <linux_galore> hmm trying to get cups to work with this HP laserjet6L wont print the test page
[05:33] <billytwowilly> that's probably what I need. I'm going to upgrade.
[05:33] <linux_galore> even downloaded the ppd driver and cups is now even more spastic
[05:34] <jmaya> Do you guys recomend Ubuntu as a server OS?
[05:34] <linux_galore> not me
[05:34] <Tsjoklat> jmaya as in?
[05:35] <linux_galore> theres an idea a server version of Ubuntu
[05:35] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> I dont know...I think I would go debian for server and ubunter as workstation/desktop but I have very little experience with both
[05:35] <linux_galore> I use Debian stable on my email server..works fine
[05:35] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> er ubuntu....damn spelling
[05:35] <jmaya> Debian (stable) is not recognizing my NIC.
[05:36] <Tsjoklat> jmaya woody or sarge?
[05:36] <jmaya> woody
[05:36] <linux_galore> woody
[05:36] <Klowner> (stable) would be woody
[05:36] <Tsjoklat> jmaya get the sarge network install
[05:36] <jmaya> yup it is a pain.
[05:36] <Tsjoklat> some think sarge is stable lol
[05:36] <Tsjoklat> just making sure
[05:36] <linux_galore> sarge has a nice install though
[05:36] <linux_galore> but Im happy with woody
[05:36] <Tsjoklat> jmaya I had to throw in a dif card to get it up and then put my normal card in
[05:36] <Tsjoklat> solved it by d/l a sarge cd
[05:37] <jmaya> I dont know how to get sarge on a cd.  Since I need woody to get sarge any idea?
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> it will do dhcp but that's easily fixed
[05:37] <jmaya> naaa the e100 driver does not come with woody
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> just look for debian sarge network install on google
[05:37] <jmaya> interesting thankz I think I will try that.  Right now i am doing nat with a knoppix cd my hd died on me.
[05:37] <Earthen> can anyone here tell me where i can find a walk-through for setting up roaming profiles
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> you do Klowner?
[05:38] <jmaya> cool.  I will try to do a network install the only problem is I have cable and I need to change the mac some how like ifconfig eth0 hw ether 000000000
[05:38] <linux_galore> I thing sarge will be nice when its released in 2010
[05:38] <linux_galore> think*
[05:38] <linux_galore> heh heh
[05:38] <Klowner> linux_galore: you mean when it becomes 'stable' ? :)
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> whenever that may be
[05:39] <regeya> bwahaha
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> I like sid above anything
[05:39] <Klowner> it's stable enough for me
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> sarge is like their stephchild
[05:39] <linux_galore> well when its "stable" is technically the release date for Debian
[05:40] <linux_galore> strange though Sarge is actually a bit behind the likes of SuSE and Mandrake by about 6 months now and is considered not stable
[05:40] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> how so?
[05:41] <regeya> hm, is sarge the Testing release?
[05:41] <linux_galore> well on Mandrake 10.1 Im already using kde 3.3.2 but Sarge last I looked is still 3.2.x
[05:41] <regeya> if so, I wouldn't expect it to be stable.
[05:41] <regeya> though this being debian it's a little shocking
[05:41] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> does it really perform that much better?
[05:41] <linux_galore> <-- has more than one machine and one distro
[05:42] <linux_galore> well KDE 3.3.2 to be honest Im finding is more stable than kde 3.2.x by a mile lol
[05:42] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> personally I am lazy and if it works decently on that perticular system I leave it
[05:43] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> ok if its a stability thing then I understand
[05:43] <linux_galore> kde 3.3 is way faster especially if your opening files and using the browser
[05:43] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> but when I tried to run mandrake it was so bogged down and slow, now I have ubuntu on the same system and it works a lot better
[05:43] <linux_galore> Kicker in kde 3.2.x I found horribly unstable
[05:44] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> well then that makes sense
[05:44] <Tsjoklat> kde apps actually work in 3.3
[05:44] <Tsjoklat> that blew me away
[05:45] <linux_galore> yeah they seem to have done something right in 3.3.....hasnt been so stable since 2.2 for me
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> it is still bloat galore though
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> but man, it's so nice to skin :)
[05:45] <regeya> and the kde team is threatening to attack the usability problem...hm.
[05:45] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: bloat should be cut down when they swap to QT 4.0
[05:46] <regeya> I've heard crazy rumors that arts might get ripped out in favor of makign apps gstreamer-aware...amarok already is
[05:46] <Blitzkrieg-Billy> I could understand running it on a better system but on my 500mhz/192 ram system it wasn't working
[05:46] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore yeah I'll try it out on my lt.. but I wish there was a better way of having ubu/kde
[05:46] <linux_galore> well with Xorg thw whole logic of arts goes out the door
[05:46] <Tsjoklat> for my kde testing I still have to have sid.. with ubu it was a mega disaster
[05:47] <linux_galore> some days Im using gnome other kde and some times Im stuck with xfce or BB because Im a tight ass and wont buy a new laptop
[05:49] <Tsjoklat> xfce was something I will never try again
[05:49] <linux_galore> oooh look a cannon advert......man I so want to shoot the balloon dog with a BB gun
[05:50] <linux_galore> heh heh
[05:50] <|QuaD|> alo Tsjoklat whoats up?
[05:50] <linux_galore> lol I used xwm for 1 year
[05:50] <billytwowilly> how do I figure out apt's reasoning for holding back the restricted packages when new ones are available.
[05:51] <magneto> what about openb linux_galore
[05:51] <Tsjoklat> hey |QuaD :) how are you doing?
[05:51] <|QuaD|> billytwowilly: is the repo's in your apt-get file?
[05:51] <linux_galore> magneto: never tried it
[05:51] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: not bad, considering loading up qemu and testing out kde on ubuntu
[05:51] <Tsjoklat> billytwowilly it is usually because there have to be other packages installed
[05:51] <billytwowilly> |QuaD|, yah it is.
[05:51] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD not giving up huh
[05:51] <billytwowilly> Tsjoklat, how do I get it to tell me though?
[05:52] <magneto> linux_galore: its light as light gets the menuing is sweet too
[05:52] <linux_galore> give me a desktop with X running and a terminal windows and Im right at home
[05:52] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: heh... i will never actually use it on ubuntu, just want to play
[05:52] <magneto> i think its the best *box
[05:52] <Tsjoklat> billytwowilly do it through a console
[05:52] <linux_galore> the rest is just cruft to me
[05:53] <linux_galore> Ive noticed there are a few cut down versions of blackbox....Im like ...whats to cut down
[05:53] <magneto> try it man its not even 30mb
[05:54] <linux_galore> magneto: BB for me uses about 14mb
[05:54] <Tsjoklat> billytwowilly close synaptic, open a console type sudo apt-get upgrade and it will tell you what will be held back
[05:55] <|QuaD|> billytwowilly: warty or hoary?
[05:55] <billytwowilly> Tsjoklat, I know what will be held back.
[05:55] <billytwowilly> hoary
[05:55] <|QuaD|> billytwowilly: did you do dist-upgrade or just upgrade
[05:55] <billytwowilly> dist-upgrade
[05:55] <billytwowilly> hmm.
[05:55] <|QuaD|> did you do it throuhg apt-get or synaptic
[05:56] <magneto> linux_galore: but BB is ugh - id have to check OB's real size it might be the same963kb
[05:56] <magneto> 209kb pkg
[05:56] <magneto> and 963kb installed
[05:56] <magneto> lol
[05:56] <billytwowilly> apt-get and synaptic
[05:56] <billytwowilly> I want to know why it's holding back the two packages
[05:57] <magneto> linux_galore: the windowing themes are cleaner  imo
[05:57] <|QuaD|> billytwowilly: do an apt-get upgrade and what is held back
[05:57] <billytwowilly> I figured it out.
[05:57] <|QuaD|> ok
[05:57] <billytwowilly> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8-1686 is not installable
[05:57] <magneto> linux_galore: fetched 209kbs in 1 second - installed in 10 seconds lol that aint kde
[05:58] <linux_galore> magneto: lol
[05:58] <Quest-Master> Anyone here use Anjuta?
[05:59] <|QuaD|> Quest-Master: i have it dled :)
[05:59] <Quest-Master> I can't find where I can add the -lsdl option for it to link SDL too
[05:59] <|QuaD|> Quest-Master: no idea, have been doing c# developing lately (and asp.net) so i haven't used it
[06:00] <Quest-Master> How do you like C#?
[06:00] <Klowner> sdl-config works best for linking sdl in most cases
[06:00] <Quest-Master> Can't find where to put it though
[06:00] <|QuaD|> whats linking sdl?
[06:01] <Quest-Master> I need to link SDL with either sdl-config or -lsdl.. I can't find where to put them in Anjuta though
[06:01] <|QuaD|> sdl = software development library?
[06:02] <Quest-Master> No
[06:02] <Quest-Master> Simple DirectMedia Layer
[06:02] <Quest-Master> http://www.libsdl.org/
[06:02] <|QuaD|> oh, i don't know hat that is
[06:02] <|QuaD|> thanks
[06:02] <sls> hi guys: I have some trouble with gnome terminal
[06:03] <sls> i have my prompt set to:"PS1='\033\] \t\n\033\] \u@\033\] \h:\033\] \w\033\] \[ \] \n\$ '"
[06:04] <|QuaD|> sls: whats that
[06:04] <sls> it sets you prompt from .bashrc
[06:04] <|QuaD|> thats a big directory
[06:05] <sls> basically it works; it sets the present working directory aboce the line oyu type on
[06:06] <sls> the font however lok goofy
[06:06] <rjjrjl> testing
[06:06] <Klowner> |QuaD|: it's not a directory
[06:06] <sls> instead of spaces I get squares
[06:06] <linux_galore> sls: select a different font then
[06:06] <|QuaD|> Klowner: after looking at mine i am realizeing that
[06:07] <sls> tried that... what would you sugest?
[06:07] <sls> looks ok in xterm
[06:07] <Klowner> |QuaD|: echo $PS1 in an xterm should spit yours out for easy review
[06:07] <sls> not in gnome console
[06:07] <linux_galore> sls: try something like Times I usually use sans
[06:07] <linux_galore> sls: courier isnt too bad either
[06:07] <sls> ok hang on...
[06:09] <sls> courier works...
[06:10] <sls> only 10 pitch is available though... seems there are not so many fonts there in ubuntu
[06:10] <linux_galore> hmm
[06:11] <sls> can I install windows fonts like in redhat (by making a .fonts folder and droping them in ther)
[06:11] <linux_galore> aaah better
[06:11] <sls> linux_galore: what'd you doo?
[06:12] <Klowner> sls: apt-cache search ttf-
[06:12] <Klowner> shows a nice variety, if you have debian world packages enabled
[06:12] <linux_galore> I usually have a fonts CD with about 500 fonts on it ie arial courier time times-new-roman   etc
[06:14] <sls> all installed..
[06:14] <linux_galore> Corel used to hace a bucket load of nice fonts on their Paint CD.....
[06:14] <linux_galore> have*
[06:14] <sls> linux_galore: how do you install them? just put them in a .fonts folder...
[06:15] <linux_galore> sls: no I usually use a font installer...
[06:15] <sls> what's it called?
[06:17] <linux_galore> does Nautilus I wonder have a fonts installer like konqueror
[06:18] <linux_galore> sls: well Im using the kde desktop right now and I usually just type fonts://   and then I can drop fonts into my system from a file with a simple cut and past from one window to the other
[06:23] <sls> how do you install fonts in gnome?
[06:23] <linux_galore> sorry type  fonts:/  in konqueror.....not sure with gnome
[06:24] <oak> same with nautilus
[06:25] <linux_galore> yeah just types  fonts:/// with nautilus and its the same
[06:25] <sls> no dragie fonts to that folder in gnome... it is locked
[06:25] <linux_galore> sls: seed to open it as root
[06:25] <linux_galore> need*
[06:25] <sls> ok
[06:25] <linux_galore> ohmm no root in this
[06:26] <linux_galore> theres a catch how do you get ubuntu to install fonts in a restricted directory with nautilus if there is no root user
[06:26] <exism> sudo?
[06:27] <linux_galore> sls: try  sudo  nautilus
[06:27] <regeya> another point:  if you take the system to runlevel 1, you're prompted for the ROOT PASSWORD.
[06:27] <sls> got it..
[06:27] <linux_galore> sls: then type fonts:///
[06:27] <linux_galore> sls: then it should be just a drag and drop affair
[06:28] <sls> tried that ... it still will not let me do it...
[06:28] <linux_galore> font viewer in Nautilus is nicer than konqueror
[06:29] <bizzie> Can anyone help with a Linux installation problem on a PowerPC?  I am very new to Linux.
[06:29] <sls> can i install fonts in the user space
[06:29] <sls> ?
[06:29] <farruinn> bizzie, ask away
[06:29] <GotD0t> bizzie: whats your major malfunction
[06:30] <moquist> bizzie: or even any minor ones
[06:30] <farruinn> :D
[06:30] <linux_galore> hmm  sudo -s  xterm   is that the one to have a terminal with su defaults
[06:30] <linux_galore> I keep forgetting
[06:31] <GotD0t> why dont you just do sudo -su i believe gives the current term root privies
[06:31] <GotD0t> err, sorry, sudo -s
[06:31] <linux_galore> sls: try  sudo -su xterm   then run nautilus see what happens
[06:32] <linux_galore> hmm so I was right lol
[06:32] <linux_galore> sls: sorry sudo  -s xterm
[06:32] <GotD0t> linux_galore: you cant do that
[06:32] <linux_galore> GotD0t: wont allow it
[06:32] <linux_galore> hmm
[06:33] <GotD0t> linux_galore: no it wont, you cant run nautilus as root either... wtf do you need that for anyways?
[06:33] <linux_galore> how do I pass unrestricted su privileges to nautilus
[06:33] <linux_galore> GotD0t: easy font installer
[06:33] <bizzie> Alright.  I booted from the installation CD.  I have cleared off my firewire disk, so I can create a 10 gig partition for Linux.  I get through the majority of the first part of the installation, then the yaboot utility fails to be loaded at 60%.  If I continue the installation process, everything else finishes fine.  I then need to restart to do step 2, but Linux does not auto reboot, OS X does.  If I hold down the option button, the firew
[06:33] <bizzie> Hopefully that will make sense.
[06:33] <GotD0t> linux_galore: just use the CLI... its 100 times more powerful than nautilus
[06:34] <sls> linux_galore: can i apt-get that?
[06:34] <linux_galore> GotD0t: this is for normal people
[06:34] <eruin> more power doesnt equal better usability :P
[06:34] <linux_galore> GotD0t: Im trying to figure out an easy way to install comercial fonts
[06:34] <GotD0t> linux_galore: bah... teach them the use of cp
[06:34] <GotD0t> linux_galore: make a script
[06:35] <sls> no problem but where do i copy Windows fonts to?
[06:35] <sls> I have lots...
[06:35] <GotD0t> sls: download the mscorefonts or w/e form the repos
[06:35] <linux_galore> GotD0t: why Konqueror and Nautilus both have a font installer.......just highlight the fonts you want to install "copy" then open Konqueror or Nautilus and type  fonts:/  then past
[06:36] <linux_galore> sls: you cant just copy fonts in they need to be setup too
[06:36] <sls> Ubuntu will not let me do that...
[06:36] <eruin> the fonts in the mscorefonts arent as good as the fonts from xp
[06:36] <regeya> !
[06:36] <farruinn> bizzie, what model computer are you using?
[06:37] <sls> Linux_galore: in RedHat, all you had to do was copy them to .fonts in your home folder.
[06:37] <linux_galore> eruin: I got the fonts of Windows XP and Office XP...you can also easly grab a copy of the web of the fonts
[06:37] <regeya> have the folks at MS changed the corefonts since they've pulled it?  Dang.
[06:37] <bizzie> Imac G4
[06:37] <GotD0t> linux_galore: like i said, make a script that installs it
[06:37] <regeya> eruin makes a stupid claim and then runs.
[06:37] <linux_galore> GotD0t: yeah but thats fine but not every mum and dad user is going to write a script
[06:38] <GotD0t> linux_galore: write a script for them ;-)
[06:38] <linux_galore> GotD0t: and why should they .nautilus and konqueror both have a fonts installer
[06:38] <sls> Linux_galore has a poing -- now how do we get theminstalled?
[06:38] <farruinn> bizzie, when you hold down option does it automatically boot the firewire drive or does it give you a choice?
[06:39] <sls> GotD0t: whenI do what you describe nothing happens.
[06:39] <GotD0t> sls: i didn't tell you do to anything...
[06:39] <linux_galore> sls: there is a nasty cli method thats fiddly or you can write a script........I just drop then on konqueror end of problem
[06:39] <bizzie> Well, if I have valid system installations on both my firewire drive and my main disk, I have a choice.  But, when holding option now, the only choice I have is my main disk w/ OS 10.
[06:40] <farruinn> bizzie, but I thought you said holding option got you into linux?
[06:40] <linux_galore> Im surprised Ubuntu hasnt got a fonts installer option in the menu
[06:40] <bizzie> No.  I am not able to boot into Linux.
[06:41] <regeya> not even when holding down Option during startup?
[06:41] <sls> ok ill apt-get kde then...
[06:41] <regeya> dang.
[06:42] <bizzie> Nope.  When I finished installation part 1 and the system rebooted, I was not able to startup in Linux to do installation part 2.
[06:43] <sls> ok it actually worked but it took a while...
[06:44] <sls> ok I have to init 3 and ther 5 again...
[06:48] <regeya> I wish someone, anyone, would take an intense interest in gnustep. ;-D
[06:50] <farruinn> aw, I was just about to send bizzie a link
[06:52] <regeya> maybe if ms decides to smack the mono project with a takedown notice/suit, people will take an interest in gnustep instead of flocking to kde.  I used to be a kde zealot, and maybe I'm wrong for wanting to see a project that implements cocoa (yeah, I know the lineage sorta) but hey, gnustep is damn slick.
[06:58] <me> hello
[07:00] <bur[n] er> hi
[07:31] <khadyoung> So if 276 people are in a channel and no one talks, does it make a sound?
[07:31] <|QuaD|> haha
[07:31] <|QuaD|> no reason to talk if no one else is
[07:31] <khadyoung> Hey, there actually is another human being here!
[07:32] <|QuaD|> haaa
[07:32] <|QuaD|> maybe others are here too :)
[07:32] <khadyoung> I just thought I'd stop by and see what the conversation was like in here.
[07:32] <|QuaD|> ask your question and find out
[07:32] <|QuaD|> hehe
[07:32] <khadyoung> I waited and waited and thought maybe I did something wrong since no one was talking.
[07:32] <|QuaD|> i am really upset
[07:32] <|QuaD|> (you waited 2 minutes)
[07:33] <khadyoung> At my family gatherings it is a miracle to go 2 minutes with no talking. I figured 200+ people could not possibly do it.
[07:33] <khadyoung> Why are you upset?
[07:33] <|QuaD|> haha
[07:34] <|QuaD|> oh, godaddy raised their prices
[07:34] <khadyoung> What is godaddy?
[07:34] <|QuaD|> i payed 4.95 for my domain, now i need to pay 8.95 to renew it
[07:35] <khadyoung> It is not much difference, but if you want to switch out of principle, I am happy with $8.88 at namecheap.com
[07:36] <|QuaD|> i am not switching, cuz i plan to get a .info for 1.95
[07:36] <|QuaD|> namecheap doesn't do those
[07:37] <khadyoung> Why are so many people here and not talking? Is IRC normally like this?
[07:37] <|QuaD|> depends
[07:37] <ctd> there's someone doing free .info's, aren't they?
[07:37] <|QuaD|> this is a support channel
[07:38] <|QuaD|> ctd: who????
[07:38] <hazmat> its a weekend time/night
[07:38] <|QuaD|> do oyu need advertisements???
[07:38] <ctd> |QuaD|: Don't know.. remember seeing it though
[07:38] <|QuaD|> ohh
[07:38] <|QuaD|> what program do you use to develop your webpages?
[07:39] <ctd> vim!
[07:39] <|QuaD|> lol
[07:39] <|QuaD|> other than that
[07:39] <ctd> GIMP!
[07:39] <|QuaD|> i am lazy and want to put together a webpage
[07:39] <|QuaD|> gimp=picture editor
[07:39] <ctd> Exactly.. pictures for the website.
[07:39] <magneto> bluefish
[07:40] <|QuaD|> magneto: thats what i am about to try
[07:40] <khadyoung> Do you not like coding by hand?
[07:40] <|QuaD|> khadyoung: i normally do... but i want to create something quick
[07:40] <magneto> gedit is nice too
[07:40] <|QuaD|> i normally use vim and php
[07:41] <khadyoung> NVU?
[07:41] <ctd> |QuaD|: <html><head><title></title></head><body>content here</body></html>
[07:41] <ctd> |QuaD|: There, quick template. :-)
[07:41] <|QuaD|> khadyoung: thats what i was planning to try, too lazy to dl the package
[07:41] <magneto> lol
[07:41] <|QuaD|> ctd: lol
[07:41] <khadyoung> ctd: very  nice!
[07:42] <|QuaD|> maybe openoffice writer it is
[07:42] <magneto> arm to the leg leg arm to the head
[07:43] <magneto> yuk slovenoffice
[07:43] <khadyoung> Does not Mozilla come with a simple HTML editor?
[07:43] <magneto> mozilla composer
[07:43] <|QuaD|> slovenoffice?
[07:44] <magneto> well hell if they could call solaris x86 pre10 slowaris
[07:44] <khadyoung> I do not see a separate package in the repositories for composer, but I suppose you can easily "apt-get install mozilla-browser"?
[07:45] <magneto> some packages include it- not sure in ubuntu
[07:45] <|QuaD|> why is there no nVU
[07:45] <|QuaD|> package
[07:45] <magneto> yeah its inthere
[07:45] <magneto> i added it before and i have it
[07:45] <|QuaD|> none in the repos
[07:46] <khadyoung> I was just reading: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3307060179/howto_view
[07:46] <|QuaD|> magneto: how is nvu
[07:46] <|QuaD|> is it decent
[07:46] <magneto> quad sorry i meant moz composer
[07:46] <magneto> try apt-get.org quad im sure there is a deb pkg
[07:47] <ctd> nvu is silly
[07:47] <khadyoung> Well, I hate to leave so soon but my wife calls me to bed!
[07:47] <magneto> try moz composer its cheesey/easy
[07:47] <|QuaD|> magneto: there is a package.... but i would prefer an ubuntu one
[07:47] <|QuaD|> khadyoung: hehe
[07:47] <ctd> Nvu is very much moz composer at the moment.
[07:47] <|QuaD|> magneto: i am looking for a dreamweaver replacement
[07:47] <magneto> u try multiverse and restricted ?
[07:48] <|QuaD|> yeah, not in the repos
[07:48] <magneto> hoary?
[07:48] <|QuaD|> i'm on hoary now
[07:48] <khadyoung> Goodnight!
[07:48] <ctd> |QuaD|: mozilla-composer
[07:48] <magneto> night
[07:48] <magneto> ctd: mozcom aint bad
[07:49] <|QuaD|> no independent mozilla composer package
[07:49] <magneto> quad u might as well get it elsewhere u dont have real support anyway- u search the forums?  u could compile it yourself too
[07:49] <ctd> really, in universe?
[07:49] <magneto> it s in mozilla-browser
[07:50] <magneto> its not separate
[07:50] <|QuaD|> magneto: i can wait... don't care THAT much about creating a site
[07:50] <|QuaD|> magneto: yeah :(
[07:50] <magneto> ?
[07:50] <|QuaD|> i was bored so decided i would create a site
[07:51] <|QuaD|> i have a 100% ubuntu system now
[07:51] <|QuaD|> no other sources
[07:51] <magneto> ok
[07:51] <magneto> if that makes u happy kool :)
[07:51] <|QuaD|> :)
[07:52] <magneto> i just want what works and does what i want and doesnt look like manrape or dedrat
[07:52] <|QuaD|> haha
[07:52] <magneto> :)
[07:52] <|QuaD|> i learned linux on mandrake and it was great
[07:52] <magneto> or take 30 years to compile
[07:52] <|QuaD|> too restricted for me now
[07:52] <magneto> i started with mandrake in 98
[07:52] <|QuaD|> but i don't disrespect mandrake
[07:52] <carthikHome_> |QuaD|, try wordpress if you want a blog, it's in universe
[07:52] <|QuaD|> i liked it better then redhat
[07:53] <carthikHome_> a pretty old version, though
[07:53] <|QuaD|> carthikHome_: woodpress... hmm
[07:53] <magneto> i call it manrape but i respect it- i respect redhat but not feedora
[07:53] <|QuaD|> i don't like redhat/fedora
[07:53] <|QuaD|> i would rather people learn on mandrake
[07:53] <|QuaD|> or something like xandros
[07:53] <magneto> i started with mandy in 98 but i learned with slackware
[07:54] <|QuaD|> i started mandrake in probably 99 or something around then
[07:54] <|QuaD|> then went to debian
[07:54] <carthikHome_> ..and I deleted the NTldr today, so can't login to windows, but still have all the files :P
[07:54] <|QuaD|> heh... why do you need windows?
[07:55] <carthikHome_> I don't, ergo, I haven't tried to fix the accidental delete :)
[07:55] <|QuaD|> :)
[07:55] <|QuaD|> good
[07:55] <magneto> carthik: repair mode
[07:56] <|QuaD|> linux is finally where i can convince people to use it... i can explain to them that windows has almost nothing over linux
[07:56] <|QuaD|> everything for windows is avail for linux
[07:56] <carthikHome_> magneto, I'll let it hand, for a month or two, see if I have any terrible problems, etc...
[07:56] <magneto> :)
[07:56] <carthikHome_> i meant hang, of course...
[07:57] <carthikHome_> |QuaD|, there are some pages in my univ site which require only IE :(
[07:57] <carthikHome_> I know, it's a retarded university.
[07:57] <|QuaD|> really? why
[07:57] <|QuaD|> what uni?
[07:57] <magneto> i got serious with slack and debian on my laptop back in 2001 thats when I learned alot figuring out apm and x with unsupported hardware
[07:58] <carthikHome_> we use webct, some painful online learning tool/class management software, and it doesn;t work reliably with any other browser... and of course, it is closed-source
[07:58] <carthikHome_> university of central florida
[07:58] <|QuaD|> carthikHome_: we used to use webct, actually some profs still do, it worked for me
[07:58] <magneto> and i did so much to get debian working and then i got in and it sucked lol - so i used slack for a few years along with others like redhat  then gentoo for a year now ubuntu
[07:58] <|QuaD|> ubuntu is great
[07:59] <|QuaD|> it has all the great things about debian
[07:59] <magneto> yeah
[07:59] <|QuaD|> with little config
[07:59] <carthikHome_> |QuaD|, I am an instructor, so some functions, like exporting grades, and managing pages don't work.
[07:59] <neighborlee> ubuntu rocks
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD don't like.. you use Xandros
[07:59] <neighborlee> LOL
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD like: lie I mean
[07:59] <magneto> quad: u upgrade today? u see the speed?
[07:59] <|QuaD|> carthikHome_: ohh
[07:59] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: you got me :)
[07:59] <|QuaD|> magneto: nope
[07:59] <jonathan_> hey
[08:00] <magneto> i dont use the ubu kernel so i didnt either
[08:00] <magneto> a lil in apps
[08:00] <jonathan_> so whats goin on guys
[08:00] <magneto> evolution was 2 seconds
[08:00] <|QuaD|> the one complaint i have, i shouldn't have it cuz i use hoary, but they should make a repo for warty that gives people updated copies of the 3 packages everyone uses (gaim, ff, ooo)
[08:00] <|QuaD|> like unfreeze those 3
[08:00] <magneto> but my bootup is always 60 seconds
[08:00] <|QuaD|> i timed my bootup
[08:00] <|QuaD|> i use hoary kernel
[08:01] <|QuaD|> 68 seconds
[08:01] <neighborlee> yeah id not mind a slightly faster boot
[08:01] <magneto> i dont use modules
[08:01] <neighborlee> yeah default ubuntu loads a ton of stuff
[08:01] <magneto> plus that ubu kern is fat as heck
[08:01] <magneto> too much for me
[08:01] <neighborlee> heh
[08:01] <neighborlee> yeah its nice and fast
[08:02] <|QuaD|> i can not complain with a 68 second boot time (to the xserver)
[08:02] <jonathan_> so what does everyone think of unbuntu. i just installed it like 30 min ago
[08:02] <|QuaD|> jonathaN: it rocks
[08:02] <neighborlee> |QuaD|, yeah true
[08:02] <|QuaD|> does anyone agree with me about my thing for the extra repO?
[08:02] <neighborlee> jonathaN, it rocks jonathan!!!
[08:02] <neighborlee> jonathaN, welcome aboard ;-)))
[08:02] <magneto> same here quad 60 to login  -  ubuntu is the best os
[08:03] <neighborlee> I love their philosophy..I hope they can maintain it
[08:03] <Tsjoklat> ubu is the best of debian without the bad
[08:03] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: exactly
[08:03] <neighborlee> agreed
[08:03] <Tsjoklat> I found my OS
[08:03] <neighborlee> much easier setup with all the benefits ;-)
[08:03] <neighborlee> Tsjoklat, yeah many of us feel same way ;-)
[08:04] <|QuaD|> i think ubuntu is here to stay for a while
[08:04] <neoxed> any one know any linux media players that will plat .bin
[08:04] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD I hope so.. it sounds silly to say you get upset but yeah I would be if ubu left the scene
[08:04] <neoxed> plat = play.
[08:04] <neighborlee> hmm .bin ?
[08:04] <neoxed> ya
[08:04] <neighborlee> never hoid of that format ;-)
[08:05] <neoxed> HEHE
[08:05] <neighborlee> I wonder if its one of the formats in mikmod package
[08:05] <neighborlee> or whichever one thats called that has several formats it supports...
[08:05] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: definitely, it is simple to setup and maintain, i have 2 complaints about it, thats it (but i forgot one of them at the moment, and you knwo my other :) )
[08:06] <neoxed> .bin is prity much a image file
[08:06] <neighborlee> hmm ic
[08:06] <neoxed> can be coverted to mpg or iso
[08:06] <magneto> bin2iso
[08:07] <magneto> then mount the iso  or burn it
[08:07] <neoxed> naw i need a player that plays .bin
[08:07] <|QuaD|> doesn't mplayer?
[08:07] <|QuaD|> or xine?
[08:07] <|QuaD|> i am pretty sure ONE of those two do forgot which
[08:07] <neoxed> i dunno havent tryed them
[08:07] <neoxed> i just installed linux last night
[08:07] <neoxed> :)
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD talking of which.. going to try one more time with a custom install see what I can come up with
[08:08] <|QuaD|> neoxed: letme check totem xine for you
[08:08] <Tsjoklat> wb defunkt
[08:08] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: i forget, are their custom options?
[08:08] <neoxed> okia thanks
[08:08] <defunkt> thank you :)
[08:08] <defunkt> again, thank you for all of your help
[08:08] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD yeah when you install the cd you put custom at the prompt
[08:08] <defunkt> i am still having problems but i think i will be able to work them out
[08:08] <neighborlee> neoxed, I googled but wasnt' finding anything so I hope he can help you
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> defunkt so glad to hear that :)
[08:09] <neoxed> :)
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD going to try a min install without gnome and see what will happen
[08:09] <magneto> youre right mpl;ayer and xine will play em
[08:09] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: interesting
[08:09] <neoxed> ah cool
[08:09] <magneto> supposed to be crummy though
[08:09] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: don't do that
[08:09] <neighborlee> interesting
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> |Quad why not?
[08:09] <defunkt> if i can do anything for you guys, just let me know :)
[08:09] <|QuaD|> u need gnome ... or you putting on kde :)
[08:09] <neighborlee> learn something new today <G>
[08:10] <defunkt> about the only thing i am good at on a computer is web design
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD lol I am not leaving gnome, I just want to test something and if it works I am going to throw a thread on the forums about it
[08:10] <defunkt> so if you need help, let me know
[08:10] <|QuaD|> neoxed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/08/msg05641.html
[08:10] <|QuaD|> that should help you
[08:10] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: ahh nice, i don't use the forums
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD it might be the soluton for the ubu/kde probs most of the people are having
[08:10] <neighborlee> anyone know if ( if not id be willing to help out!) menu entry integration for synatpic is being worked on?
[08:10] <neoxed> my bin is 2.1 gigs
[08:10] <neoxed> and is LOTR
[08:11] <neoxed> heh
[08:11] <punk0> hi
[08:11] <sdfsd> hi anyone here?
[08:11] <neighborlee> hi
[08:11] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: true.. do the research for me (i need another comp)
[08:11] <Tsjoklat> sdfsd no we all went to Alaska
[08:11] <sdfsd> :)
[08:11] <|QuaD|> neighborlee: i believe they are working on a new frontend
[08:11] <neighborlee> ;)
[08:11] <bogi> canada
[08:11] <bogi> :-)
[08:12] <Tsjoklat> searching for Santa Claus
[08:12] <Tsjoklat> anyhu I'll be in and out.. be good
[08:12] <|QuaD|> have fun
[08:12] <neighborlee> |Quad|sigh I should restate that..I meant so when adding apps ..it adds a icon into the speciifc menu area...
[08:12] <|QuaD|> neighborlee: it doesn't now?
[08:12] <neighborlee> not always I dont think
[08:12] <sdfsd> i was wondering if i have an ordinary pc - which version of ubuntu should i download? i386 or amd64 or powerpc?
[08:12] <magneto> laughin at quads googling - thats what i read too
[08:12] <defunkt> i386
[08:12] <|QuaD|> i386
[08:13] <|QuaD|> what processor do you have
[08:13] <punk0> somebody have a ubuntu like router whit a adsl line
[08:13] <neighborlee> |QuaD|, maybe its just a matter of whom is maintainer ?
[08:13] <|QuaD|> magneto: :)
[08:13] <sdfsd> thank you everyone
[08:13] <sdfsd> bye
[08:13] <punk0> i have some problems whit the nat
[08:13] <|QuaD|> neighborlee: could be, are you using gnome?
[08:13] <defunkt> sdfsd: what processor do you have!?
[08:13] <neighborlee> yup gnome2.8 default
[08:13] <|QuaD|> neighborlee: strange
[08:13] <|QuaD|> what package
[08:13] <|QuaD|> that is a package issue, not a synaptic issue
[08:13] <neighborlee> wondering if I should upgrade actually..I installed over 3.5 months ago...should I download and install latest ?
[08:14] <|QuaD|> (though i prefer apt-get)
[08:14] <|QuaD|> neighborlee: as in hoary?
[08:14] <neighborlee> not sure...I think I got worty few months ago
[08:14] <|QuaD|> you can upgrade your package
[08:14] <|QuaD|> s
[08:14] <neighborlee> of whatever was around few months ago
[08:14] <|QuaD|> i don't know how in synaptic... but its REALLY easy in apt-get if you want
[08:15] <neighborlee> ah maybe thats it..just not through synaptic
[08:15] <neighborlee> apt-get dist-upgrade ? ( and cross fingers)
[08:15] <|QuaD|> no
[08:15] <|QuaD|> apt-get update
[08:15] <|QuaD|> apt-get upgrade
[08:15] <neighborlee> ah
[08:15] <|QuaD|> (have to run them in that order0
[08:15] <neighborlee> yup
[08:15] <neighborlee> ok sounds good
[08:16] <neighborlee> I should have known that prob but..<wink>
[08:16] <Skif> neighborlee: upgrade will not upgrade any packages that have new dependencies, dist-upgrade will.
[08:16] <|QuaD|> if you use synaptic, its fine
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> dist-upgrade is not adviced by the devs Skif
[08:16] <neoxed> tar xzvf MPlayer-1.0pre5.tar.bz2  is that how it is for bz2 files as well?
[08:16] <neighborlee> Skif, yup thats what I was thinking
[08:16] <|QuaD|> neighborlee: you will be fine with upgrade
[08:17] <Skif> Tsjoklat: *shrug* can't imagine why; just commenting on the difference
[08:17] <neighborlee> oh dear whom do I listen to ?LOL
[08:17] <neighborlee> everyone here is so nice..I appreciate all your help!!
[08:18] <neighborlee> great bunch
[08:18] <|QuaD|> neighborlee: are you doing it just to upgrade?
[08:18] <|QuaD|> or do you need something specifically
[08:18] <|QuaD|> start with upgrade, if it doesn't do what you need, we can move to dist-upgrade
[08:18] <neighborlee> just to stay current with all patches etc.etc.
[08:18] <neighborlee> security and otherwize
[08:18] <neighborlee> ie : hack proof LOL
[08:19] <neighborlee> or as close as one can get and with linux thats darn hack proof <wink>
[08:19] <|QuaD|> neighborlee: you will be fine with upgrade
[08:19] <neighborlee> ok
[08:22] <neoxed> how do you unpack tar.bz2?
[08:22] <Skif> neoxed: tar xvjf <file>.tar.bz2
[08:22] <neoxed> ty
[08:30] <ed___> anyone using a linksys usb 802.11b thingy?
[08:30] <ed___> i'm having trouble getting mine working
[08:32] <Se7h> dam
[08:32] <Se7h> this chan never sleeps
[08:32] <|QuaD|> lol
[08:32] <|QuaD|> different timezones
[08:32] <Se7h> well...its 732 here
[08:32] <Se7h> (am)
[08:32] <Se7h> ;P
[08:33] <|QuaD|> 2:32 am
[08:34] <Se7h> i think im going to get some food
[08:34] <Se7h> and then get some sleep
[08:35] <carthikHome_> quick question
[08:35] <defunkt> i need help again cause i'm an idiot.
[08:35] <defunkt> i need to install flash support :-\
[08:35] <Se7h> lolol
[08:35] <dreamer> would anyone possibly have time to help me work out how to change the resolutions that I can select from inside gnome?
[08:35] <carthikHome_> does what i type
[08:35] <carthikHome_> show up with a  leading hyphen?
[08:35] <|QuaD|> defunkt: there is a howto on thse site
[08:35] <|QuaD|> carthikHome_: nope
[08:35] <jamie_> Just installed ubuntu a few hours ago.  This rocks!
[08:35] <carthikHome_> thanks |QuaD|.
[08:36] <Se7h> jamie_ ;)
[08:36] <defunkt> |QuaD|, TY!
[08:37] <|QuaD|> nite all
[08:37] <Se7h> cya
[08:40] <jamie_> dreamer just go to the computer menu, system configuration, screen resolution
[08:40] <Se7h> no
[08:40] <dreamer> it only gives three options
[08:40] <dreamer> :P
[08:40] <Se7h> he wants to edit xfree.conf
[08:40] <Se7h> ;P
[08:40] <jamie_> ah, i see
[08:40] <dreamer> where would I find that Se7h?
[08:41] <Se7h> search?
[08:41] <Se7h> ;)
[08:41] <dreamer> that makes entirely too much sense :P
[08:43] <Se7h> it does, doesn' it?
[08:43] <Se7h> ;P
[08:44] <Se7h> well
[08:44] <Se7h> even i
[08:44] <Se7h> can't remember
[08:44] <Se7h> haven't touch it for a time
[08:44] <Se7h> lol
[08:44] <dreamer> bear in mind if I was even more newbish than I am, I would not have known to search for xfree86.conf :P
[08:45] <Se7h> ah
[08:45] <Se7h> got it
[08:45] <dreamer> I have to chmod the file first huh
[08:45] <Se7h> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:45] <Se7h> there
[08:45] <dreamer> interesting, that's not where the search turned it up heh
[08:45] <dreamer> but that sounds good
[08:46] <dreamer> super, this looks helpful
[08:46] <Se7h> ;)
[08:50] <Synek> hi
[08:51] <Buzzzz_> hello
[08:53] <Se7h> hey
[08:55] <Se7h> wooo
[08:56] <Se7h> wierd hostname
[08:56] <dreamer> Se7h: I modified the xfree86.conf to list the resolution I need in all the bitdepths, and logged out (being told this would restart x) .. still nada
[08:56] <dreamer> any clues?
[08:57] <Se7h> nada ?
[08:57] <Se7h> where'r u from ?
[08:57] <dreamer> new zealand
[08:57] <Se7h> mmkay
[08:57] <Se7h> well
[08:57] <Se7h> u need to restart X
[08:57] <Se7h> ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:58] <defunkt> how do you install fonts in ubuntu?
[08:59] <Se7h> defunkt try synaptic
[08:59] <defunkt> thx
[08:59] <defunkt> no i mean i have the files, but i just wanna install them....
[09:00] <dreamer> Se7h: still no luck
[09:02] <Se7h> so probably it doesnt support it
[09:02] <dreamer> it's a radeon9500pro running on an lcd with a native res of 1280x1024
[09:02] <dreamer> if it doesn't support it I'ma hurt someone
[09:02] <dreamer> but
[09:03] <Se7h> lolol
[09:03] <dreamer> there's an xfree86.conf in /usr/share/xresprobe so I'm editing that just in case :P
[09:03] <Se7h> have u got the driver working ?
[09:04] <dreamer> it appears to be
[09:05] <Se7h> well, be sure of it
[09:05] <Se7h> check xfree file
[09:05] <Se7h> if its using it
[09:06] <dreamer> Section "Device"
[09:06] <dreamer>         Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9500 Pro (R300 NE)"
[09:06] <dreamer>         Driver          "ati"
[09:06] <dreamer>         BusID           "PCI:3:0:0"
[09:06] <dreamer> EndSection
[09:06] <dreamer> look right?
[09:06] <Se7h> dunno
[09:06] <Se7h> is it "ati" the default linux driver
[09:06] <Se7h> or the one from ATI ?
[09:06] <dreamer> hmm it'll be the default presumably.
[09:07] <Se7h> so there u have
[09:07] <Se7h> go to synaptic
[09:07] <Se7h> and search for ATI driver
[09:08] <dreamer> it doesn't appear to find anything looking remotely like a driver with just a search for ATI, I guess it's case sensitive?
[09:08] <Se7h> no
[09:08] <dreamer> hmm
[09:08] <Se7h> have u enabled universe?
[09:09] <dreamer> *blinkblink*
[09:09] <Se7h> lol
[09:09] <dreamer> ^^; how would I do that?
[09:09] <Se7h> settings -> repositories
[09:10] <dreamer> I have now, but still no dice
[09:13] <Se7h> Video driver for the ATI graphics accelerators
[09:13] <Se7h> ;)
[09:13] <Se7h> This version of the ATI driver officially supports:
[09:13] <Se7h>  * ATI Radeon 8500, 9100, 9200, 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800
[09:13] <Se7h> see
[09:13] <Se7h> its there
[09:14] <Se7h> search "radeon" by description and name
[09:15] <dreamer> ah
[09:16] <xoxoxo> hello.
[09:16] <Se7h> wunderbar
[09:16] <Se7h> :)
[09:16] <dreamer> it occurs to me that this list needs refreshing
[09:16] <dreamer> because there's stuffall in it, and clicking reload started downloading stuff ;)
[09:16] <xoxoxo> anybody please tell me in ubuntu repository, any window manager available (besides gnome?)
[09:16] <xoxoxo> gnome is too heavy for me. i want to replace it
[09:16] <Se7h> xoxoxo try blackbox
[09:17] <Se7h> i mean fluxbox
[09:17] <xoxoxo> Se7h, i want to try icewm, but it is not available?
[09:17] <Se7h> yes it is
[09:18] <xoxoxo> ah yes. it seems the repo just updated recently.
[09:19] <xoxoxo> Se7h, how can i have the new WM (fluxbox, icewm) available from the WM list of gdm?
[09:19] <xoxoxo> so i can choose to run what i like from the login prompt?
[09:19] <Se7h> select it at login screen
[09:19] <dreamer> Se7h: is there an apt-get way to get this? Synaptic still doesn't return a result for radeon
[09:20] <Se7h> just install it
[09:20] <Se7h> ;)
[09:20] <dreamer> that works heh
[09:20] <xoxoxo> you mean i dont need to config anything for gdm to recognize the new installed WM?
[09:20] <xoxoxo> ok try it now
[09:20] <Se7h> xoxoxo yup
[09:20] <xoxoxo> thank you a lot. see you again
[09:20] <Se7h> dreamer how r u searching for it ?
[09:21] <dreamer> a) using the search box, and b) scrolling down the huge list to make sure
[09:21] <Se7h> yes, but in the search dialog
[09:21] <Se7h> what do u input ?
[09:21] <dreamer> my bad :X
[09:21] <dreamer> ;)
[09:21] <Se7h> lol
[09:21] <Synek> ;)
[09:22] <Se7h> brb
[09:22] <Se7h> food time
[09:23] <dreamer> thanks, btw
[09:23] <Se7h> np ;)
[09:26] <mojo> hi every1
[09:26] <mojo> ppl as crowed as usual
[09:26] <mojo> ppl as crowded as usual
[09:27] <mojo> lol, I wish Eng is my mother lang
[09:27] <Ribs> heh
[09:30] <Se7h> back
[09:30] <emoxer> clr
[09:31] <Se7h> mojo why so ?
[09:33] <Se7h> dam ita 8.30am
[09:33] <Se7h> and i haven't slep
[09:34] <Ribs> Sleep is for sisseys
[09:34] <Se7h> lol
[09:34] <Se7h> ;P
[09:34] <Se7h> no
[09:34] <Se7h> its for tired ppl
[09:34] <Se7h> ;P
[09:39] <defunkt> need some more help guys :(
[09:39] <Se7h> shoot
[09:39] <defunkt> i am not sure if ubuntu supports my geforce 5500+ OC
[09:40] <defunkt> cause it is reading my video as generic nvidia video card
[09:40] <defunkt> and i installed q3 and i think it is running liek shit cause of it
[09:41] <Se7h> dreamer deja vu ?
[09:41] <Se7h> ;P
[09:41] <Se7h> now ur turn to help
[09:41] <defunkt> :)
[09:42] <defunkt> well if yall could help me out i would owe you big time
[09:42] <Synek> defunkt: what driver you have?
[09:42] <Se7h> well
[09:42] <Se7h> it would be nice if he wake up
[09:42] <Se7h> Synek generic
[09:43] <Synek> oh
[09:43] <Se7h> defunkt synaptic for "nvidia"
[09:43] <Synek> ;)
[09:43] <defunkt> synek: it says it's just the generic nvidia driver
[09:44] <Synek> follow the Se7h
[09:44] <Synek> :)
[09:44] <Synek> synatpic for nvidia, choose, install, have hope ;)
[09:45] <defunkt> well i have an issue right here
[09:45] <defunkt> i got the drivers from the nvidia site - the newest ones
[09:45] <defunkt> and i logged into root
[09:45] <Se7h> defunkt no need
[09:45] <defunkt> term
[09:46] <defunkt> well i want the newest ones tho
[09:46] <Se7h> why?
[09:46] <defunkt> all of these have been installed
[09:46] <defunkt> and it's running like shit
[09:46] <Synek> why so? to have + 0,1 fps in q3? ;-)
[09:47] <defunkt> well
[09:47] <defunkt> right now i am running about 2fps
[09:47] <defunkt> it's really reallly really slow
[09:47] <defunkt> and choppy as hell
[09:47] <Se7h> thats because u'r using the "nvidia" driver
[09:47] <defunkt> what else can i use
[09:47] <dreamer> sorry :P
[09:47] <Se7h> u need "nv" driver
[09:47] <Ribs> Nvidia's latest driver works fine here.
[09:48] <Ribs> Se7h: erm, that's bad advice
[09:48] <Se7h> is it ?
[09:48] <Ribs> the nv driver has no 3D acceleration at all
[09:48] <Se7h> well..works for me
[09:48] <Ribs> it will make games slower, if anything
[09:48] <Se7h> not for me
[09:48] <defunkt> what should i do? :(
[09:48] <Agrajag> Se7h: what games are you playing?
[09:48] <Ribs> Well, you stick with your Software rendering then :)
[09:48] <defunkt> gah
[09:48] <defunkt> i want to use this nice 5500+
[09:49] <Ribs> but if you actually want to use the 3D chip on your card, you need the nvidia driver
[09:49] <defunkt> it's on there
[09:49] <defunkt> and installed
[09:49] <Ribs> defunkt: what values does glxgears give?
[09:49] <defunkt> but running at like too
[09:49] <defunkt> how do i check that
[09:49] <Se7h> Agrajag doom3 for ie
[09:49] <Se7h> ;P
[09:49] <Agrajag> defunkt: run glxgears
[09:49] <Ribs> defunkt: open a terminal
[09:49] <Ribs> decklin: Run 'glxgears'
[09:49] <Agrajag> Se7h: then there's no way in herll you're using nv.
[09:49] <Ribs> let it run for a few seconds, then close it
[09:50] <Ribs> you'll get FPS values in the console
[09:50] <Se7h> lolol
[09:50] <crimsun> defunkt: glxinfo|grep vendor
[09:50] <defunkt> 11.8
[09:50] <Ribs> 11.8 fps?
[09:50] <defunkt> yeah
[09:50] <Ribs> ribs@zeus:~ $ glxgears
[09:50] <Ribs> 41544 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8308.800 FPS
[09:50] <defunkt> NVIDIA corporation
[09:50] <Ribs> That's what I'm getting
[09:50] <Ribs> so there is something wrong here.
[09:51] <defunkt> yeah
[09:51] <crimsun> defunkt: you should have 3 lines of "NVIDIA Corporation"
[09:51] <Se7h> Ribs "here" ?
[09:51] <Se7h> dont think so
[09:51] <crimsun> for server glx vendor, client glx vendor, and OpenGL vendor
[09:51] <defunkt> server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[09:51] <defunkt> client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[09:51] <defunkt> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[09:51] <crimsun> correct
[09:51] <Ribs> Se7h: What?
[09:51] <Se7h> forget it
[09:51] <Se7h> lol
[09:51] <crimsun> glxinfo|grep rendering
[09:52] <defunkt> direct rendering: Yes
[09:52] <Ribs> defunkt: send me your x configuration file
[09:52] <crimsun> defunkt: and when you try, say, the doom3 demo, it plays fine?
[09:52] <defunkt> no i ran the q3 file
[09:52] <defunkt> err q3 game
[09:52] <dreamer> sigh, still no luck
[09:52] <defunkt> loaded like shit
[09:52] <defunkt> ribs: how do you see that?
[09:52] <Ribs> How do I see what?
[09:52] <defunkt> xconfiguration file
[09:52] <Ribs> oh, right
[09:53] <Ribs> it's in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:53] <Ribs> send it to me via XChat's send file feature
[09:53] <defunkt> do you want me to pm it to you?
[09:53] <defunkt> oh ok
[09:53] <neoxed> i have linux installed right now is there any way i could just pop a windows xp cd in and take say 150 gigs of space and make it ntfs and still have linux useing 150?
[09:53] <Ribs> /dcc send Ribs /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:54] <Ribs> That should do it
[09:54] <Ribs> neoxed: no
[09:54] <Ribs> neoxed: Windows doesn't really co-operate with Linux
[09:54] <defunkt> accept?
[09:54] <neoxed> partisons
[09:54] <Ribs> heh, whoops :)
[09:54] <Mesta> hey all, I seem to recall that security bugs are not looked after in testing.  Is this true?  Are there security issues with running hoary?
[09:54] <defunkt> ribs you'll see it's using the generic driver
[09:55] <Ribs> defunkt: No, it's using the nvidia driver
[09:56] <Ribs> the generic part is just the name xfree has given your card
[09:56] <Ribs> You can call it 'This is my gfx card' for all it matters
[09:56] <defunkt> oh ok
[09:56] <Ribs> I think there is a conflict here
[09:56] <dreamer> hmm
[09:56] <Se7h> uh?
[09:56] <dreamer> okay, xfree86config knows that I have those video modes listed, but gnome doesn't
[09:56] <dreamer> gnome/metacity
[09:57] <Ribs> You see there are comments at the top of the file? lines that start with # ?
[09:57] <Ribs> You need to put a # at the beginning of lines I tell you, this is known as 'commenting out' lines. It basically tells xfree to ignore those lines.
[09:57] <defunkt> are you talking to me ribs?
[09:57] <Ribs> yes
[09:58] <Ribs> 	Load	"GLcore"
[09:58] <Ribs> 	Load	"dri"
[09:58] <defunkt> what do you need me to do?
[09:58] <Ribs> comment those lines out
[09:58] <defunkt> ok
[09:58] <Ribs> right at the bottom, there are three lines about DRI
[09:58] <Ribs> comment those three out as well
[09:59] <Ribs> That should be it
[09:59] <defunkt> looking
[09:59] <defunkt> hold on
[09:59] <Ribs> now, restart X with 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' -- warning, this will shut down anything you have running on your desktop, including XChat
[09:59] <Se7h> brb
[09:59] <Ribs> With any luck, that will solve your problem
[10:00] <Ribs> defunkt: oh, remember to save the file first :)
[10:00] <defunkt> just those two?
[10:00] <defunkt> two lines*?
[10:01] <Ribs> and the last three lines
[10:01] <Ribs> Section "DRI"
[10:01] <Ribs> 	Mode	0666
[10:01] <Ribs> EndSection
[10:01] <Ribs> that lot
[10:02] <defunkt> ok just those 3 then
[10:02] <Ribs> and the two before I mentioned
[10:02] <Ribs> five lines in total
[10:02] <defunkt> ok rad
[10:02] <defunkt> then i gotta log out and back in or i am set
[10:02] <Ribs> well, save it
 now, restart X with 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' -- warning, this will shut down anything you have running on your desktop, including XChat
[10:02] <defunkt> ya
[10:03] <Ribs> it saved okay, right?
[10:03] <defunkt> yep
[10:03] <Ribs> you ran the editor as root?
[10:03] <defunkt> yep
[10:03] <Ribs> good man
[10:03] <Ribs> and good luck
[10:03] <defunkt> do i have to logout and back in?
[10:03] <Ribs> no, do what I pasted
[10:03] <Ribs> then you'll be asked to log in again
[10:04] <defunkt> ok rad ty! i will be back in a second!
[10:04] <defunkt> <3
[10:04] <Ribs> hopefully
[10:04] <Synek> ;)
[10:04] <Se7h> lol
[10:05] <Se7h> whats the x server deamon ?
[10:05] <Se7h> (to kill it
[10:05] <Ribs> Se7h: What HAVE you done?
[10:05] <Se7h> uh?
[10:05] <Se7h> stroke some keys ?
[10:05] <Se7h> ;P
[10:05] <Ribs> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart tends to restart X
[10:06] <Ribs> replace restart with stop to kill off X completely
[10:06] <Se7h> but i want to terminate it
[10:06] <Se7h> not reastart
[10:06] <Ribs> hrm, defunkt isn't back yet
[10:07] <defunkt> whew
[10:08] <Ribs> did it work?
[10:08] <defunkt> had a scare there
[10:08] <Ribs> heh
[10:08] <defunkt> yeah it worked!
[10:08] <Ribs> glxgears result?
[10:08] <defunkt> hold on lemem try it out
[10:08] <defunkt> 58802
[10:08] <defunkt> holy shit no way
[10:08] <Ribs> sorted
[10:09] <Ribs> erm
[10:09] <defunkt> ok now to get the sound working in quake!
[10:09] <Ribs> did you miss a decimal point there?
[10:09] <Ribs> that result is higher than mine
[10:09] <defunkt> yeah my bad
[10:09] <Ribs> which it shouldn't be :P
[10:09] <defunkt> 5882
[10:09] <Ribs> that's better, heh
[10:09] <Synek> hehehe
[10:09] <neoxed> can some one on windows connect to my hnome meeting?
[10:09] <Se7h> lol
[10:09] <neoxed> gnome
[10:09] <RuffianSoldier> anyone here?I love Hoary
[10:10] <Ribs> neoxed: Ask in a Windows channel :P
[10:10] <Se7h> lolol
[10:10] <neoxed> no
[10:10] <neoxed> i mean can any one
[10:10] <Se7h> well
[10:10] <Ribs> COMPLY!
[10:10] <neoxed> as in just persay
[10:10] <Se7h> what i want is to run the nvidia.run
[10:11] <Mesta> I see that universe does not receive security updates but does hoary recieve sucurity updates?
[10:11] <sirfred> Humm, Evolution is a little broken, isn't it (Hoary) ?
[10:11] <Ribs> Mesta: warty does recieve updates
[10:11] <RuffianSoldier> Hoary rocks!
[10:12] <Mesta> I mentioned hoary
[10:12] <Mesta> not warty
[10:12] <sirfred> Some icons don't show on the compose window, is that a known problem?
[10:13] <Mesta> Yes I hear it rocks, but I'm willing to try it if it recieves security updates.  Thus my question.  It can rock and recieve updates, can't it?
[10:13] <sirfred> Also, some times the spamc programs it spawns are really memory hungry.
[10:13] <lamont_r> Mesta: generally speaking, warty-security updates are being propogated into hoary.  Not sure if that's a committed activity or not, but I expect it to continue.
[10:13] <sirfred> I'm thinking about switching to thunderbird, is that a good idea?
[10:13] <defunkt> damn, now i just gotta get the sound working lol
[10:14] <dreamer> hmm
[10:14] <Se7h> Ribs
[10:14] <Se7h> 62542 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12508.400 FPS
[10:14] <Se7h> ;P
[10:17] <Synek> sirfred: why don't you try?
[10:17] <sirfred> Synek: Just too lazy to migrate all my mail.
[10:17] <sirfred> Synek: Also, evolution is more than a mail client.
[10:18] <sirfred> Synek: I like the clock integration, for example.
[10:18] <Mesta> thanks Lamont_r but I don't think it's commited 'cause I just found, "We only fix bugs in our stable releases which truly affect overall system security" <http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SecurityUpdateProcedures/view?searchterm=hoary%20security%20update>.
[10:18] <sirfred> Anyway, I've seen that there's a new evolution version on the repository, let's try with that.
[10:18] <lamont_r> Mesta: it's not committed.
[10:18] <lamont_r> but it does tend to happen
[10:18] <Synek> sirfred: fine by me ;-)
[10:19] <lamont_r> Mesta: that's only talking about released versions (==warty).  hoary is still in active development
[10:20] <jdub> good morning freedom lovers
[10:20] <lamont_r> morning jdub
[10:20] <lamont_r> is there a power strip where you are?
[10:20] <ajmitch_> hi jdub
[10:20] <jdub> this morning in #ubuntu, we'll have a LIVE SIMULCAST of the big meeting in matar
[10:20] <jdub> er
[10:20] <jdub> in #ubuntu-meeting :-)
[10:20] <jdub> i will be madly typing
[10:20] <ajmitch_> fun
[10:21] <jdub> and hopefully getting useful input from the other typists in the room ;-)
[10:21] <ajmitch_> who has the job of thrashing out what people say on the keyboard?
[10:21] <Mesta> I'm at a standstill.  You'd assume that they'd be putting in the security fixes as they go else they'd have a stable version with security issues for the next release date
[10:21] <jdub> if there is input for the meeting from the channel, i will speak
[10:21] <ajmitch_> Mesta: new packages are uploaded all the time into hoary
[10:21] <ajmitch_> security fixes included
[10:22] <ctd> jdub: What times this? :)
[10:22] <lamont_r> Mesta: it's more a function of the work load on the people doing warty-security, mixed with their guess of how fast the fix will come from sid.
[10:22] <ajmitch_> often a new version will fix the problem instead of just a security patch
[10:22] <lamont_r> since the distro team is pretty much all running hoary, we care...
[10:23] <Mesta> k I'll upgrade, and test the ppc sound issues and hopefully get better sound support for ppc
[10:23] <ajmitch_> jdub: so can we submit our wishlist for hoary & beyond? :)
[10:23] <xoxoxo> hello again. how can i get the source code of the current kernel (2.6.8.1) with apt-get?
[10:23] <Mesta> thks
[10:24] <crimsun> xoxoxo: sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[10:24] <xoxoxo> crimsun, is that the kernel source with patch?
[10:24] <crimsun> xoxoxo: it's the patched version of the source used to build the kernels in ubuntu, yes
[10:24] <miqorz> 2.6.8.1? 2.6.9 is safer
[10:25] <crimsun> 2.6.9 is only available compiled by ubuntu in hoary, however, miqorz. :)
[10:25] <xoxoxo> crimsun, do they store the patches separately? i want to see what patches ubuntu use for the stock kernel.
[10:25] <miqorz> crimsun: I don't use Ubuntu currently. *shrug*
[10:25] <xoxoxo> miqorz, 2.6.9 not available in the repository, afaik
[10:25] <miqorz> kernel.org
[10:25] <miqorz> ;)
[10:26] <xoxoxo> eh i am talking about the distro kernel, not stock one ;)
[10:26] <miqorz> ive been using 2.6.9-ac6 for what feels like forever
[10:27] <crimsun> (jdub must be typing furiously ;-)
[10:28] <miqorz> he's doing something furiously
[10:31] <miqorz> ahh
[10:31] <miqorz> i love Rush
[10:31] <crimsun> (got some Camel blaring in my headphones)
[10:31] <miqorz> hehe
[10:32] <miqorz> i listen to literally anything
[10:32] <miqorz> Dimmu Borgir to Michelle Branch
[10:32] <crimsun> yep
[10:32] <xoxoxo> anybody knows how to get firefox 1.0 from repo?
[10:32] <xoxoxo> i guess i must use hoary (?)
[10:32] <crimsun> xoxoxo: only officially in hoary
[10:32] <miqorz> it should be in debian unstable
[10:32] <crimsun> xoxoxo: you can just download the deb and dpkg -i if you really want it
[10:32] <crimsun> xoxoxo: though you know you don't get to complain if stuff breaks ;)
[10:33] <miqorz> Rush makes excellent gaming music
[10:33] <miqorz> :D
[10:33] <xoxoxo> in debian unstable? but people always tell me not to install from debian repo, since it may not work in ubuntu (?)
[10:33] <Synek> xoxoxo: get the source and compile it for yourself
[10:33] <ajmitch_> there's a firefox backport for warty somewhere
[10:33] <crimsun> hoary repo, xoxoxo.
[10:33] <miqorz> xoxoxo: Maybe, Maybe not.
[10:33] <miqorz> Not too sure.
[10:33] <miqorz> My friend uses debian sources without issue.
[10:34] <xoxoxo> well, but technically why .deb from debian repo would break in ubuntu???
[10:34] <miqorz> No clue.
[10:34] <crimsun> depends on the specific versions of dependencies it's compiled against
[10:34] <smo> in itself, it probably won't.  if you let it pull in dependencies, it can get messy  (I went there)
[10:34] <ajmitch_> xoxoxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MarkusHubig
[10:35] <miqorz> My only experiences with debian were soley with "debian"
[10:38] <miqorz> I hate waiting for crap to download
[10:38] <miqorz> *sighs*
[10:38] <xoxoxo> ok, i expect firefox 1.0 (and others) will be backported to warty soon
[10:38] <ajmitch_> xoxoxo: see link above :P
[10:39] <xoxoxo> ajmitch_, yeah thanks, i am trying to get it
[10:39] <ajmitch_> there won't be 'official' backports that I'm aware of
[10:39] <miqorz> Any non gnome/non kde users even bother with ubuntu?
[10:39] <Synek> yup
[10:39] <miqorz> Interesting.
[10:40] <Synek> migorz : i prefer fluxbox
[10:40] <smo> I've a feeling I'm about to become one of them .. watching gnome start on a p233 /w 32Mb isn't fun
[10:40] <Synek> heh, i get q for g ;)
[10:40] <Tomcat_> Can somebody go to http://studiwiki.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/ and tell me if they see a big "w3 studi"?
[10:40] <miqorz> I use Enlightenment
[10:40] <miqorz> =)
[10:40] <Synek> smo: so switch anr try
[10:40] <xoxoxo> hm... i want to get the 2.6.9 from hoary. where can i get the .deb?
[10:41] <miqorz> just compile it?
[10:41] <Synek> ?
[10:41] <Synek> :)
[10:41] <xoxoxo> miqorz, i prefer kernel with patch
[10:41] <miqorz> so patch it?
[10:41] <Synek> xoxoxo: don't completly rely on .debs
[10:41] <xoxoxo> it take time to collect patches, doesnt it?
[10:41] <miqorz> ...
[10:41] <Synek> hm
[10:41] <miqorz> Patchsets my man.
[10:41] <smo> Tomcat_: I don't see "w3" on there at all, in image nor text
[10:42] <Tomcat_> xoxoxo: There's a 2.6.9 kernel as Ubuntu package on the Power Management Testing (PMTesting) page on the Ubuntu wiki... I doubt it's for production use though.
[10:42] <Tomcat_> smo: Regular MoinMoin wiki then?
[10:42] <smo> yup
[10:42] <Tomcat_> smo: Okay, thanks... I guess they changed the IP and my DNS didn't catch up.
[10:42] <miqorz> i use alan cox's patchset aka ac sources
[10:43] <xoxoxo> Tomcat_, can you give me the url of 2.6.9?
[10:43] <Tomcat_> xoxoxo: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting
[10:43] <xoxoxo> anyway, what kind of patches ubuntu do on kernel? just for driver or smt else?
[10:44] <Tomcat_> xoxoxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto/view?searchterm=kernel <--- This is a list of all patches and howto compile...
[10:44] <crimsun> xoxoxo: the changelogs for linux-image-`uname -r` have more info :)
[10:45] <Tomcat_> xoxoxo: Argh no... only howto there... here's the list of patches in the warty kernel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogKernel/view?searchterm=kernel
[10:49] <smo> nice touch .. it's realised this is a laptop, and added battery-stat and wireless applets accordingly
[10:53] <xoxoxo> yeah kernel mostly like stock kernel, just some more patches for devices
[10:54] <dreamer> finally got it working, didn't have the correct refresh rates specified :)
[10:54] <dreamer> next question ;)
[10:55] <GoldeNArX> sup
[10:55] <dreamer> when I start up, it defaults to the networking profile that tries to use my router for dns queries .. which for some reason doesn't work. I set up a secondary configuration but it won't default to that
[10:55] <xoxoxo> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1 get me the tarball, and everything mixed insice. is there anyway to get the kernel source with a separate directory for patches, so i can see closely what patches in?
[10:55] <xoxoxo> s/insice/inside
[10:58] <crimsun> xoxoxo: diff -uNr against a stock 2.6.8.1 kernel :)
[11:05] <wood1> Hi everybody
[11:05] <jblack> aThe conference is interesting this morning.
[11:06] <wood1> Did you go there ?
[11:06] <jblack> There's a big discussion going on right now about commoditizing configuration
[11:06] <jblack> wood1: I'm there right now.
[11:07] <wood1> Wow, really
[11:07] <wood1> What's going on there ?
[11:07] <wood1> By the way, were you invited or are you one of the Ubuntu Developers ?
[11:07] <ajmitch_> wood1: see #ubuntu-meeting
[11:07] <wood1> thnaks
[11:07] <wood1> thanks
[11:08] <xoxoxo> anybody knows how can i get the list of file of a package in repo (that is not installed yet)?
[11:08] <jblack> wood1: I'm one of the developers
[11:08] <crimsun> xoxoxo: dpkg-deb -c foo.deb
[11:08] <xoxoxo> crimsun, but .deb is still in repo, not in my machine yet ?
[11:09] <xoxoxo> jblack, will there be proceedings of the meeting?
[11:09] <Tomcat_> [10:49:54]  [smo]  nice touch .. it's realised this is a laptop, and added battery-stat and wireless applets accordingly <--- Check out the cpufreq applet too! :)
[11:10] <crimsun> xoxoxo: yes.
[11:10] <jblack> xoxoxo: jdub is summarizing in #ubuntu-meeting. I'm sure that somebody is keeping a log
[11:11] <xoxoxo> crimsun, i mean i want to see the file list of package that is still in repo, not yet in my machine. is that possible?
[11:11] <smo> Tomcat_: Would it be useful on a P1?  ;o)
[11:12] <Tomcat_> smo: I think it's useful on any processor that supports multiple frequencies... :>
[11:12] <crimsun> xoxoxo: for Debian proper, yes, there is infrastructure. I do not know if Ubuntu has similar structure up and running for the equivalent of packages.debian.org
[11:13] <xoxoxo> if not, i think this is where ubuntu should improve.
[11:14] <crimsun> I'm fairly certain the infrastructure just needs to be enabled
[11:14] <xoxoxo> anyway, to see the file list in debian, i must go to the website packages.debian.org? so even in debian, i cannot see file list from my console?
[11:14] <crimsun> xoxoxo: not for what you wish to do, no
[11:14] <wood1> Hi Amaanth, are you there ?
[11:15] <crimsun> xoxoxo: presuming you want: dpkg-deb -c http://foo/bar.deb
[11:15] <crimsun> Conectiva has extended apt to handle remote locations, but afaik those changes have not been merged into Debian's apt
[11:16] <xoxoxo> crimsun, is that possible? but as an enduser, i dont care about the repo address, so that is the bad solution
[11:16] <lamont_r> postfix TLS patch from upstream (albeit non-prod, snapshot).  WOOT!
[11:17] <crimsun> xoxoxo: then I don't understand your question: aren't you asking about the contents of a _remote_ package?
[11:17] <crimsun> xoxoxo: one that resides on a remote server but isn't installed on your local system?
[11:18] <wood1> Why is it so difficult to log on to a remote Ubuntu Machine from other Ubuntu machine in X-Windows?
[11:18] <wood1> How do I do that ?
[11:18] <lamont_r> wood1: by default, ubuntu listens on no ports.
[11:18] <wood1> Doesn't Ubuntu have some kind of RDP thing ?
[11:18] <lamont_r> so, on the remote machine, apt-get install ssh-server
[11:19] <lamont_r> or openssh-server...
[11:19] <xoxoxo> crimsun, yeah the way you tell me work, but that doesnt satisfy me much. i expect smt simple like this: "dpkg-deb -r vim". suppose -r mean i will get the data from remote repo, not local.
[11:19] <lamont_r> openssh-server
[11:19] <wood1> Well I can connect using SSH
[11:19] <xoxoxo> well, i am looking for something like that
[11:19] <wood1> But I want to connect using X-Windows
[11:19] <mjr> you can run X programs via ssh by using the -X switch
[11:19] <lamont_r> xdmcp, or just splatting xterms at the remote machine?
[11:20] <lamont_r> there are issues with cleartext in most such uses...
[11:20] <crimsun> xoxoxo: hmm, I see now.
[11:20] <lamont_r> but again, you would need to tell X to listen on more than 127.0.0.1
[11:20] <crimsun> xoxoxo: add it to the suggestions on the wiki
[11:20] <lamont_r> wood1: actually, you'd need to tell X to listen on a tcp socket, period.
[11:20] <xoxoxo> crimsun, i meant in idealy way, user dont care where is the repo. he just want to get the file list of certaint package
[11:20] <mjr> also, you can share a whole gnome desktop with the VNC protocol by using Vino, if you must
[11:21] <crimsun> xoxoxo: yep. One should also consider if multiple sources have the same package. (e.g., what apt-cache policy will reveal)
[11:21] <wood1> mjr, could you please elaborate a little more on that thing ?
[11:22] <wood1> How do I do that ?
[11:22] <mjr> "apt-get install vino"
[11:22] <xoxoxo> crimsun, i will fill in my wish into wiki. what is the exact url for the wishlist?
[11:22] <spacey`ki> computer > desktop preferences > remote desktop
[11:22] <spacey`ki> wood1
[11:22] <spacey`ki> allow other users to view your desktop
[11:23] <crimsun> xoxoxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IdeaPool
[11:24] <wood1> Remote Desktop RDP is fine for Windows XP, how do I connect to other Ubuntu machine ?
[11:24] <wood1> using Remote Desktop
[11:25] <wood1> Which protocol should I use to connect from an Ubuntu Machine to other Ubuntu Machine using Remote Desktop ???
[11:26] <mjr> as I said, "with the VNC protocol"
[11:38] <warty_girl> hi and thanks for ubuntu!!! it is so good!
[11:40] <wood1> Hmm, good to see a warty_girl in a Ubuntu chat forum
[11:40] <crimsun> wood1: Tsjoklat is, too.
[11:40] <wood1> That's surprising. Women using Linux too
[11:41] <mjr> tell that to my so ;)
[11:41] <crimsun> not at all surprising. Women, after all, use computers. :)
[11:41] <mjr> or, indeed, about half the women I happen to know ;)
[11:41] <wood1> Well most Women do care about which Operating System they use
[11:41] <warty_girl> why is surprising that a woman uses linux?
[11:42] <Simira> warty_girl: I'm working on an article about Ubuntu and women, as a result of the Ubuntu conference
[11:42] <wood1> Well in my company which has more than 1000 staffs which has more than 400 women, only the guys uses Linux.
[11:43] <wood1> Anyway, that' very good sign
[11:43] <Simira> warty_girl: you should join Debian-women if you're interested. A wiki-page will be up on Ubuntu soon.
[11:43] <warty_girl> in my company all people are using linux
[11:43] <Tsjoklat> link Simira?
[11:43] <agenteo> someone print successfully from GIMP in ubuntu? With me I can't, it prints white pages... its first line is %!PS-Adobe-3.0
[11:44] <Simira> for Debian-women? hhtp://women.alioth.debian.org
[11:44] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks mentioned that I should contact you Simira :)
[11:44] <wood1> warty_girl, Are you sure ?
[11:44] <Simira> there's not much info yet, but it's coming in time
[11:44] <warty_girl> yes i am
[11:44] <smo> I have warty up and running in a small netcafe .. I see plenty of both gender using it each day without even noticing.  (a plumber once told me, if no-one notices what you've done, you've done it right)
[11:44] <siimo> agenteo, i can but im printing to a windows SMB print server
[11:44] <crimsun> smo: precisely
[11:44] <Q-FUNK> warty_girl: which company is that?
[11:44] <Simira> Tsjoklat: are you at the conference?
[11:45] <Tsjoklat> Simira no I am not, but a few people I know were there and they mentioned that you are a girl too
[11:45] <wood1> Hum, that's a good thing
[11:45] <Tsjoklat> long story, but it boiled down too that I was looking for females
[11:45] <warty_girl> a small company dealing with tropical fish
[11:45] <Simira> Tsjoklat: sure I am. And gotten really inspired to do some work on women in linux
[11:45] <wood1> Well people in your CyberCafe must have inquired why MSN Messenger looks a bit funny
[11:46] <Tsjoklat> Simira I got pointed at to linuxchic you heard of that?
[11:46] <Simira> linuxchix, yes. I know a member there.
[11:46] <warty_girl> :))))
[11:46] <Tsjoklat> Simira I sent them hunting for females at the conference :)
[11:46] <smo> wood1: I have a small front-end for gaim written in mono, so that they're presented simply with user/pass/service  (it writes out an accounts.xml then launches gaim).  it looks different, but it's easier than trying to maintain aim/yahoo/msn on a windows machine
[11:47] <Simira> folks in Mataro, you must make sure the bof notes comes up on the wiki! People are missing them!
[11:47] <wood1> smo,  How long have you been running your Cyber Cafe ?
[11:47] <warty_girl> it is nothing uncommon here. windows are too expensive and bsa threatened people too much
[11:47] <Tsjoklat> nice meeting you Simira
[11:48] <Tsjoklat> and warty_girl :)
[11:48] <smo> wood1: it's been there 2 years .. I've only been onboard this summer  (and warty's been there for the last 6 weeks)
[11:48] <wood1> Why don't you use a pirated version of windows
[11:48] <warty_girl> sending videos to companies threatening with jail for using ms/adobe sw
[11:48] <jdub> Tsjoklat: we had a great debian/ubuntu women bof yesterday
[11:48] <Tsjoklat> jdub I heard .. I wish I could have been there
[11:48] <wood1> So before, you used to use Windows
[11:48] <wood1> in your cafe
[11:48] <siimo> warty_girl, whats so illegal about using that software? unless they were pirated copies
[11:48] <jdub> Tsjoklat: should have minutes out soon
[11:49] <Potaje> wenas
[11:49] <warty_girl> siimo, it is no ilegal
[11:49] <siimo> well what would you be threatened then
[11:49] <smo> wood1: Yes, that's what was there when I got there
[11:49] <Q-FUNK> warty_girl: that's because you joined EU.  Russia still thrives on pirate copies of everything.
[11:49] <warty_girl> siimo, but bsa behaved as if you were a thief unless you proved otherwise
[11:49] <Tsjoklat> jdub I am glad that there is 'more' out there.. I never heard of debian women or linuxchix before
[11:49] <wood1> Well what made you switch from Windows in Linux for your cafe ?
[11:49] <jdub> Tsjoklat: whoa! you should join up :)
[11:49] <siimo> well you could easily prove that
[11:50] <warty_girl> Q-FUNK, it happened long before eu
[11:50] <jdub> Tsjoklat: we should have something cool for ubuntu too :)
[11:50] <Simira> jdub: yes, how did that bof go? I'm working on an article about Debian-women and Ubuntu
[11:50] <Tsjoklat> jdub I am/did!
[11:50] <jdub> Tsjoklat: :-)
[11:50] <Tsjoklat> jdub yes.. and whatever you are planning... you can count me in
[11:50] <wood1> Still, Linux has a long long way to catch up with MS-Windows
[11:50] <warty_girl> and i think it is better these days. they cannot do such thing in EU - like invade private property
[11:50] <Q-FUNK> warty_girl: did it?  How come CZ bent so quickly to the BSA goons?
[11:50] <jdub> Tsjoklat: no plans so far for ubuntu - perhaps we should start a wiki page
[11:50] <Simira> jdub: we're working on it, but thinks splitting up from d-w isn't too smart. Though we're setting up something on the wiki soon.
[11:50] <smo> wood1: they were previously outsourced (maintanance) thru a local IT firm.  the machines were frankly a mess.  about a third could actually sign-on to msn, most but not all could print, one was infected with something that was attempting to send emails twice every second.
[11:51] <jdub> Simira: sweet!
[11:51] <warty_girl> Q-FUNK, because MS and our government - very personal friends
[11:51] <smo> wood1: So I presented a slightly modified LiveCD that just behaved, and didn't require expensive bolt-on software to keep windows sane
[11:51] <Tsjoklat> jdub it might be a good idea to put on that wiki links to nix pages for women
[11:51] <wood1> warty_girl, what is the name of your government ?
[11:51] <Q-FUNK> warty_girl: ah you cz == uk.  very nice.  not.
[11:52] <Q-FUNK> s/you/so
[11:52] <wood1> smo, why didn't you use a Strong Anti-Virus and a Firewall Software for your cafe ?
[11:52] <warty_girl> wood1 - tehy call it democracy :) but if this is a democracy, i do not want it
[11:52] <wood1> Hum, UK, Tony Blair
[11:52] <Q-FUNK> democrazy.
[11:53] <Tsjoklat> I find Tony Blair rather hot
[11:53] <wood1> Well my sister and brother-in-law are also in UK
[11:53] <Tsjoklat> hahahah
[11:53] <smo> wood1: Because the problems are deeper than that on public terminals.  You want no persistant settings at all, etc.
[11:53] <wood1> Well I used to run a Cyber Cafe using Windows NT and Windows XP machines too
[11:53] <Tsjoklat> waaa what are we talking about? politics and religion don't go very well in here people
[11:54] <warty_girl> but it is really getting better in th EU
[11:54] <Q-FUNK> smo: come to think of it, a live-CD option makes absolute perfect sense for that.  good point.
[11:54] <warty_girl> for example all government pages were IE only.
[11:54] <wood1> Well I think EU is going after Microsoft because of it's money or cash
[11:54] <Tsjoklat> hey pitti :)
[11:54] <pitti> Hi Tsjoklat
[11:54] <warty_girl> now we have a law that forbids it. and my friend are actualkly now hired by government to repair that
[11:55] <Tsjoklat> mmm well I'll go kill some compiling
[11:55] <Tsjoklat> thanks for the heads up jdub
[11:55] <Q-FUNK> warty_girl: to forbid what?  the BSA's "pay first and complain later" approach?
[11:55] <wood1> smo, how is your Cafe setup now ?
[11:55] <wood1> Do you run from a central Server or are you using a peer to peer network setup ?
[11:56] <smo> wood1: Simply put, a LiveCD in each machine.  Atleast until their contract with the 3rd-party firm runs dry
[11:56] <cristiano> hi guys anyone knows how to start sound server for the SearchandRescue game???thank u!^_^
[11:56] <warty_girl> Q-FUNK to forbid IE only inaccesible web pages paid from taxes and by government
[11:56] <alexissoft> hi
[11:57] <Q-FUNK> warty_girl: oh, that's really great. FI needs that too.  this country is completely sold to M$.
[11:57] <smo> wood1: modified slightly to include java/flash/mplayer-plugin, but it makes a great public terminal.  the worst damage they can do is steal a 5-cent cdr
[11:57] <Q-FUNK> smo: ...and discover the benefits of Ubuntu at home.
[11:58] <smo> Q-FUNK: I've already handed out most of the CDs I ordered :o)
[11:58] <cristiano> noone to help me with this?!?:(((
[11:59] <Q-FUNK> smo: you might as well have a strategy of ordering a stack of Ubuntu Lice Cd and insist that whoever you've never seen before takes it home after.
[11:59] <Q-FUNK> .... live
[12:02] <wood1> smo, I got your point
[12:02] <wood1> By the way, did you have to pay for Windows before switching to Linux ?
[12:02] <will_> holy cow!
[12:02] <warty_girl> have to go, c u , bye :)
[12:02] <smo> wood1: It came with the machines
[12:03] <ajmitch_> yes, it came with my machine about 8 years ago
[12:03] <ajmitch_> I only used it for a couple of years
[12:03] <smo> Well, the company was there before I was even in this country .. buying decisions were nothing to do with me ;o)
[12:04] <Synek> huh
[12:05] <Synek> i'm on my way to introduce ubuntu into lab in my Institute
[12:05] <Synek> it's kinda hard work for librarian,  as admin is ms-neophite
[12:08] <wood1> Well what would be the "Phrase" to tell the Windows people to switch to Ubuntu Linux ?
[12:09] <Simira> I don't think there are one
[12:09] <smo> I didn't .. I rolled a LiveCD that included most the things I guessed people would need (ie, browser plugins), then just produced it whenever there was problems
[12:09] <smo> actions, not words :o)
[12:09] <Simira> the functionality is as good, but different
[12:10] <wood1> Well Linux still has about 15 years to catch up with Windows
[12:10] <Simira> ?
[12:11] <cemetric> In my opinion most "hard-core" windows companies wil not switch to Linux for one reason ... the money
[12:11] <Q-FUNK> smo: which tools did you use to roll the custom CD?
[12:11] <cemetric> Linux doesn't cost money in itself that we all know
[12:12] <wood1> Well there are costs behind the picture
[12:12] <Q-FUNK> cemetric: retraining on a completely different platform costs more than you think.
[12:12] <cemetric> but if you have to reschool all the users to be able to use linux and rebuild your home made apps to work on linux
[12:13] <cemetric> Q-FUNK: that's what I mean ... they don't just for that reason
[12:13] <wood1> For example, if all our staffs were made to switch to Linux, the company will have to get fire most of the people or pay the training course for learning Linux
[12:13] <Q-FUNK> rewriting the custom apps for a new platform is a small cost, compared to retrianing a whole company's worth.
[12:14] <cemetric> wood1: that's true yes
[12:14] <wood1> And not to mention how long it may take for them to learn Linux if at all
[12:14] <smo> Q-FUNK: annoyingly, I couldn't get the cloop modules to build, which is what morphix uses .. so I still have to boot into ubuntu's livecd each time I want to roll a module for it
[12:14] <wood1> The saying: "There is no such thing called a Free Lunch"
[12:14] <smo> (a morphix module, being what ends up in the filesystem, not a kernel module)
[12:14] <wood1> is almost true
[12:15] <cemetric> yes ... and it's not only the people at the company but also their customers offcourse ... especially if you're a service oriented company
[12:15] <Q-FUNK> from that perspective, downloading an ISO costs bandwidth.
[12:15] <agenteo> siimo: what do you specify in the printer?
[12:15] <smo> wood1: For perspective, you said you had around 1000 staff?  This is a small indy coffee shop with 4 fulltime staff & 1 schoolkid for random evenings
[12:15] <wood1> Oh, speaking of Customers base, 99.9 % of our customers are using Windows
[12:16] <agenteo> siimo: I've been suggested with the default printer and the printer model is Postscript level 2
[12:16] <smo> wood1: The kind of place where paying 40-60 USD per hour for someone to de-gunk windows does make an impact
[12:16] <cemetric> wood1: yes try convincing them to switch to linux ... good luck
[12:16] <Tomcat_> Question: When I start ScummVM, it can't detect how to produce sound because the Gnome click sound is still playing. When I start it from terminal it works perfectly. Any way to fix this without using one of the many workarounds?
[12:17] <Synek> Let's face it; most poeple use boxes to www-browsing, imessaging and writew some docs
[12:17] <lamont_r> Tomcat_: easiest way is to kill esd.. :-)
[12:17] <lamont_r> although that's not really a solution
[12:17] <Rawplayer> why should i use ubuntu and not debian?
[12:17] <Tomcat_> lamont_r: That'll disable Gnome sounds altogether, right? :P
[12:17] <arthur> i'm getting this message in bootup: "server is already active for display 0"
[12:17] <lamont_r> Tomcat_: probably
[12:18] <Tomcat_> Rawplayer: Because Ubuntu "just works", while you have to do most stuff manually in Debian.
[12:18] <lamont_r> I know that the sound mess is somethign that's getting attention for hoary
[12:18] <Tomcat_> lamont_r: Okay... if it's being recognized I can live with a workaround... I just want it addressed :P
[12:18] <Rawplayer> is there gonne be a port for sparc64?
[12:18] <lamont_r> Tomcat_: yeah
[12:19] <Tomcat_> lamont_r: Well.. thanks. I thought about it being a problem in esd... I'll try a few things. :o
[12:19] <smo> Rawplayer: personally, the biggest attraction for me is scheduled releases.  Not having to jump on unstable because I know it'll be bang-up-to-date in another 6 months
[12:19] <lamont_r> Rawplayer: I know that fabbione has been working on a sparc port, dunno if it was 32 or 64 bit off the top of my head.
[12:20] <PotajiTo> wenas
[12:20] <arthur> i'm getting this message in bootup: "server is already active for display 0". and, the he tries to restart X server on display :0 agian, but fails.. any1 couild help me?
[12:20] <Rawplayer> ok thanks
[12:21] <wood1> One of the most evident problems facing the Linux World is that they have too too much choice and people end up making no choices
[12:22] <arthur> wood1: i like the choices from free software.... Linux/FS is all about choices!
[12:22] <wood1> Why can't the Linux World use just 1 standard set of policies and implement them to work smoothly
[12:23] <smo> Because you can't keep everyone happy, all of the time?
[12:23] <wood1> Arthur, what's free can be  a blessing but could also be a curse
[12:23] <arthur> wood1: oh yeah... the standarts... Linux world really need standarts...
[12:25] <arthur> my X just works if I do an: "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" and then startx
[12:25] <Q-FUNK> there are 2 opposite goals:  1) I wanna change my desktop and favorite media player whenever _I_ want to.  2) give us ONE standard, so that we can deploy it.
[12:25] <wood1> By the way, what would happen if just for the sake of argument, Windows goes Open Source too ?
[12:25] <wood1> Just like the Red Hat guys
[12:26] <arthur> but at boot i'm getting this message ~: "server is already active for display 0"
[12:26] <wood1> Do you get the graphical login ?
[12:26] <arthur> wood1: nope
[12:26] <wood1> Which part of the booting process ?
[12:27] <arthur> wood1: i get the Nvidia screen, but after that, he tries to load gdm, and fail with that message
[12:27] <Q-FUNK> wood1: I think that where RH won is when they gave the business world ONE standardized distro.
[12:28] <Q-FUNK> wood1: however, since RH wnet the "give us all your money" way and decided that desktop ain't worth it, Ubuntu can now fill that niche. :)
[12:28] <daniels> guys, discussion of red hat off topic, yeah?
[12:28] <tuxJr_14> hi
[12:28] <tuxJr_14> i'd been wondering why ubuntu doesn't have kde
[12:29] <arthur> daniels: the discussion started about FS
[12:29] <arthur> tuxJr_14: the CD don't have KDE, but u can get this with apt
[12:30] <tuxJr_14> arthur: okie
[12:30] <Q-FUNK> daniels: discussion of how Ubuntu can benefit from other distro's withdrawal from certain market segments.
[12:30] <rm> is it possible to download ISO (CD or DVD) snapshots of whole ubuntu repository?
[12:31] <arthur> wood1: could u help me with tha
[12:31] <arthur> t?
[12:31] <wood1> arthur, can you get to the bash shell ?
[12:32] <smo> rm: You should beable to roll your own with debian-cd  (I've never tried tho), but I don't believe there's any images already there
[12:32] <rm> I see...
[12:32] <arthur> wood1: yeah, i'm at irssi now... and X just works if i go to shell, stops gdm, and do an startx manually, if i try to restaret gdm it fails too
[12:33] <rm> I plan to download debian sarge snapshot ISOs then, and try its packages in ubuntu
[12:33] <thenuke> you mean you are going to download EVERY app what apt-get is able to get ?-)
[12:34] <daniels> wood1: (my opinion is that choice is fantastic, but people shouldn't be *forced* to take them; my mum shouldn't have to decide between desktop environments, hotplug vs discover vs udevd, whtaever)
[12:34] <rm> well... whole sarge is 14 CDs
[12:34] <wood1> Auther are you at the root console now
[12:34] <rm> apps sorted by popularity
[12:34] <arthur> wood1: yeah
[12:34] <rm> I am told that it's enough to have only first 3 CDs or so
[12:35] <rm> so maybe I'll download 3...5 first images
[12:35] <wood1> can you got to /var/lock ?
[12:35] <wood1> arthur
[12:35] <arthur> wood1: i deleted .X0-lock and no worked too
[12:36] <wood1> do you have /var/lock/console ?
[12:36] <arthur> wood1: what to do on /var/lock ?
[12:36] <smo> It sounds like something's trying to launch X twice?  If it's getting as far as the nvidia logo, then atleast one X server had launched.  Why it's then trying to launch a second is bizzare
[12:37] <arthur> ls /var/lock: apache2 and lvm
[12:37] <Q-FUNK> daniels: now that you mention it, I'g getting tired of dvel changing its mind from hotplug->discover->udev wash/rince/repeat.
[12:37] <wood1> arthur, just type:   mkdir -p /var/lock/console
[12:37] <arthur> wood1: and now?
[12:38] <arthur> smo: yeah, it's exactly that
[12:38] <wood1> type:  touch /var/lock/console/YOUR_USERNAME
[12:38] <daniels> Q-FUNK: 'dvel'?
[12:39] <arthur> wood1: ok
[12:39] <Q-FUNK> devel :)
[12:39] <wood1> Now you can reboot the machine and hope that the problem will get solved
[12:40] <arthur> wood1: can u explain what i maded here?
[12:40] <daniels> Q-FUNK: er, we only had discover for the first month or so, while it was still internal; we used hotplug on the understanding that it was only a stopgap and that we'd do better for hoary, and we are, with udevd
[12:41] <Q-FUNK> daniels: udev is a real mess.  I don't like it at all.  it breaks gpm.
[12:41] <jdub> udev *rocks*
[12:42] <tuxJr_14> Q-FUNK: can elaborate: "it breaks gpm"
[12:42] <daniels> Q-FUNK: you dislike udev because gdm doesn't work with it, in some non-specific manner?
[12:42] <tuxJr_14> s/can/can you
[12:43] <Q-FUNK> daniels: if I use udev, X cannot find gpmdata
[12:43] <Tsjoklat> sjoerd needs a gf.. a dog.. a teddybear?
[12:43] <sjoerd> hehe
[12:43] <Q-FUNK> daniels: if I remove udev, X suddenly can find gpmdata.
[12:44] <arthur> wood1: ?
[12:44] <wood1> Well we just created a console for the Username
[12:45] <arthur> wood1: i'll try here....
[12:48] <Q-FUNK> daniels: so... I would hardly call that a non-specific abstract dislike.
[12:48] <tuxJr_14> one question: does the ubuntu website really need https?
[12:48] <arthur> wood1: no worked
[12:49] <arthur> wood1: but i have another info... first X loads at term 7, and one other on term 8. i get the error on the 8. i guess the nvidia logo appeared on term 7
[12:50] <arthur> smo: *this* is really bizarre!
[12:50] <smo> arthur: precisely why I'm butting out.  I can't see what'd cause that, so I'm little help
[12:50] <daniels> Q-FUNK: so you need one line to tell udev about gpmdata, or whatever.
[12:51] <arthur> chmod -x to prevent gdm from load at boot?
[12:52] <Q-FUNK> daniels: probably, yes.
[12:52] <daniels> Q-FUNK: ...
[12:52] <smo> arthur: odd question, but are there any other *dm's in /etc/init.d/  ?
[12:53] <arthur> smo: nope
[12:53] <arthur> but i get gdm and xfree86-common, this is ok, right?
[12:53] <smo> I have both, and my machine appears sane
[12:54] <arthur> chmod -x gdm, i'll restart now, and see what happens
[12:56] <koke> maybe "echo /bin/true >  /etc/X11/default-display-manager" ??
[12:59] <arthur> ok, now gdm don't loaded at boot (of course), but running: /etc/ini.d/gdm start i get the same error, so, i guesse the problem is with gdm
[01:00] <arthur> and other thig: after bootup, i get this message: /etc/init.d/rc: line 30 /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm: Permission denied
[01:01] <smo> That one's easy .. you just did -x on it, so when it tried to execute it, it's no longer allowed
[01:02] <arthur> smo: right.... but what should i do now? install another graphical login? reinstall gdm?
[01:02] <smo> When it tells you there's already a server running, can you alt+F7 to that server?  ie, is it really running?
[01:03] <arthur> smo: when go to tty7 i just get an mouse
[01:04] <arthur> maybe /etc/init.d/gdm is trying to reload X?
[01:05] <smo> beats me .. I'm just grasping at straws because it felt better than ignoring you in silence :/  I can't for the life of me figure out why gdm would try to launch X more than once
[01:07] <smo> (I've had it set to do that in the past, but it openned them on different displays without being told to.  It does it well if it does it on purpose)
[01:07] <arthur> smo: ok, thanks! i'm installing xdm now, i guess the problem will be solved for now... my parents don't know how to stop gdm, and startx to get gnome working... :)
[01:08] <arthur> i'll restart now with xdm to see if this will work
[01:12] <arthur> as expected with xdm it worked...
[01:17] <jdub> reminder, meeting simulcast in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:19] <Tsjoklat> jdub I take it that that isn't for me :P
[01:19] <jdub> it's for everyone
[01:20] <Tsjoklat> what is it about jdub?
[01:20] <Simira> Rosetta, translation tool
[01:20] <jdub> see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MataroSessionsWorkshops
[01:20] <Tsjoklat> oh interesting
[01:20] <Tsjoklat> when is this meeting?
[01:21] <Simira> now :)
[01:21] <jdub> it's been going since this morning :)
[01:21] <jdub> see /topic too :)
[01:21] <Tsjoklat> I saw it jdub but I thought it was for Mataro ppl only
[01:21] <jdub> it's for not mataro people
[01:22] <jdub> because mataro people are right here already :)
[01:22] <Tsjoklat> ah duh then jdub :P
[01:29] <wood1> Who are the exact audience for the #ubuntu-meeting ?
[01:30] <Simira> Ubuntu-community people and Canonical-people
[01:30] <Tsjoklat> the queen of England :P
[01:30] <Tsjoklat> very interesting wood1
[01:31] <wood1> Well what do I really need to create my own customized version of Ubuntu ?
[01:32] <jaroug> hi
[01:32] <wood1> Well I guess that that meeting is for advanced developers having extensive knowledge of some programming languages
[01:33] <jaroug> somebody can say me in which package are xcompmgr and transset under ubuntu hoary ?
[01:34] <wood1> Why am I having problems in my typing box as I type my words
[01:35] <wood1> If I go back a few words and then type something, the next words gets deleted instead of shifting to the right
[01:35] <StoneChucker> have you pressed your 'insert' key by misktake?
[01:36] <Solatis> hey all :)
[01:37] <Solatis> i couldn't find a direct anwser of this on the website: it is said that Ubuntu is based on debian, does it also have a package-management compared to debian (such as apt), or is it solely based on 6-months releases ?
[01:37] <jaroug> is there a packages web search engine for ubuntu ?
[01:37] <Simira> you have apt-get and synaptic
[01:37] <Simira> synaptic is graphical and very nice
[01:38] <jaroug> Simira: i'm not on ubuntu
[01:38] <jaroug> that's why i ask this :)
[01:38] <Simira> it's an answer to Solatis as well
[01:38] <Simira> about web, I'm not sure
[01:38] <Solatis> Simira: haha thanks :)
[01:39] <jaroug> Simira: otherwise can you tell me in which package are xcompmgr and transset ?
[01:39] <Simira> jaroug: not in ubuntu myself now
[01:39] <jaroug> arg :)
[01:40] <jaroug> Solatis: are u in ubuntu ?
[01:40] <Solatis> i think i'm gonna switch from gentoo to ubuntu on my workstation for a while... i don't know, after 3 years of gentoo i feel like something new... and it's going to be a relief not having to compile all the time :)
[01:40] <Solatis> jaroug: nahhh, i'm in Gentoo right now
[01:41] <wood1> Gentoo Linux is great for learning Linux but bad for your daily work
[01:41] <jaroug> AAAAARRRRRRRGGG
[01:41] <jaroug> people on #ubuntu aren't in ubuntu
[01:41] <jaroug> i may have to serach in #freebsd
[01:42] <Solatis> wood1: mwoah i don't know, it does the trick for me... but indeed, the learning curve was awesome and you learn a lot from it
[01:42] <wood1> You spend more time maintaining your Gentoo System rather than doing your daily works
[01:42] <wood1> But what happens after you have reached the peak of that learning curve ?
[01:43] <daniels> guys, offtopic!
[01:43] <wood1> Anyway, Solatis, you probably did a good thing installing Gentoo
[01:43] <jaroug> daniels: are u in ubuntu ?
[01:44] <daniels> jaroug: yeah
[01:44] <wood1> I have always tried installing a source based Linux distro
[01:45] <wood1> Solatis, by the way, have you installed other source based Linux distro besides Gentoo ?
[01:45] <jaroug> daniels: \o/ yeah \o/ can u say me in wich package are transset and xcompmgr (i'm not in ubuntu)
[01:45] <lamont_r> wood1: still pretty off topic...
[01:45] <Solatis> wood1: yeah i've done LFS and slackware too
[01:45] <daniels> jaroug: if you're using hoary, just in 'transset' and 'xcompmgr' respectively
[01:45] <Solatis> but indeed, o/t :)
[01:45] <daniels> jaroug: but they're not in warty
[01:46] <jaroug> daniels: arf i'm in debian and hoary's source, i install xorg, but i can't find tose packages :/
[01:47] <jaroug> and add*
[01:47] <daniels> jaroug: you need to enable 'universe'
[01:47] <jaroug> ?
[01:47] <wood1> Solatis, What is the exact reason for you to desert Gentoo for Ubuntu ?
[01:48] <Solatis> wood1: what i said earlier... really, i've been working with gentoo for 3 years now, and i want to try something new
[01:48] <jaroug> daniels: what ?
[01:48] <Solatis> i really like package management, but i don't like the debian community
[01:48] <Solatis> ubuntu seems fresh and new
[01:49] <Solatis> i like to try it, i really attach a lot of value to a distro's community
[01:49] <Q-FUNK> jaroug: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[01:50] <wood1> I see Solatis
[01:50] <jaroug> okai Q-FUNK thx
[01:50] <jaroug> daniels: thx
[01:50] <wood1> Solatis, guess what, I am  trying to do the opposite
[01:51] <Solatis> wood1: :)
[01:54] <Solatis> sheesh... how i missed an installer while setting up the distro :)
[01:58] <kent> Solatis, and the one in Ubuntu is kind of good aswell. My brother is no computer-geek, but i helped him install Ubuntu over the phone. :)
[01:59] <Solatis> cool, that must mean something :)
[02:01] <Rawplayer> lol
[02:01] <Rawplayer> ye a high telephone bill
[02:01] <Rawplayer> that does it mean ;)
[02:02] <Q-FUNK> Joey has been making a lot of network installation tests recently. I really ought to try that soon.
[02:02] <Einzelganger> I have warty installed but want some hoary packages (like gtk2-easytag). I have added hoary and warty repisotories in synaptic and set "warty" to the default distribution in the settings. Now if go to a package and do force-version to the hoary-version, and click apply, I see the "latest version" of the package jump for a second to the hoary one, and then back to the warty one, and if I try to install it installs the warty version. Am
[02:02] <Einzelganger>  I doing something wrong, or is this is (known/solved ?) bug
[02:03] <Solatis> Rawplayer: huh, you here too ? :)
[02:04] <kent> Einzelganger, i dont think you should mix hoary and warty.
[02:19] <Cred> Hello. Is there a tool like The All Seeing Eye or GameSpy for Ubuntu?
[02:20] <Cred> Ah, google is my friend again.
[02:24] <ulisse> hi channel
[02:25] <Cred> Hi
[02:26] <Cred> Ok another question, I'm having trouble getting ATI to work with games. fglrxinfo tells me that all modules have been loaded, 3D apps work the way they should..
[02:26] <ulisse> I'm trying to install ubuntu warty on a new pc, wit an Abit MoBo, and I get an error:
[02:27] <ulisse> Ubuntu seems to be unable to find cdrom during install
[02:32] <FCC> can anyone help with a networking problem?
[02:33] <mjr> possibly, if you ask
[02:33] <scoon> nice
[02:33] <scoon> -ly
[02:34] <FCC> :)
[02:34] <FCC> well, i can see my puter on my wondows network,
[02:34] <FCC> but when i try to connect to my Ubuntu system, it asks for a username and password
[02:34] <FCC> any suggestions?
[02:35] <FCC> leaving it blank does no good
[02:35] <FCC> using my ubuntu sign in name does no good
[02:35] <mjr> okay, windows stuff, then I don't know much
[02:35] <Solatis> hmmm, should printing be automatically configured on ubuntu using cups, or should i do some manual things ?
[02:35] <FCC> yeah, i figured it had to do with ubuntu asking for a login name
[02:36] <scoon> FCC prolly cuz you did not add your user to the samba passwd list
[02:36] <FCC> ohhh
[02:36] <FCC> hmm
[02:36] <mjr> Solatis, you probably want to go computer / system settings / printing
[02:36] <FCC> let me check
[02:36] <scoon> FCC do a man smbpasswd
[02:36] <FCC> scoon, sorry newbie
[02:36] <mjr> but I don't know if it should do something automagic, as I don't have a printer :)
[02:36] <scoon> FCC what are you sorry for
[02:36] <scoon> FCC did you KILL someone
[02:37] <scoon> ? ? ?
[02:37] <FCC> not understanding what you meant by doing a man smbpasswd
[02:37] <scoon> open up a terminal
[02:37] <FCC> ok, there
[02:37] <scoon> and type man smbpasswd
[02:37] <FCC> ok
[02:37] <scoon> man is the command for manpages
[02:37] <scoon> which is short for manual
[02:37] <scoon> yes read
[02:37] <scoon> the best/worst part about linux
[02:37] <scoon> so to get more used to it
[02:37] <FCC> ok, i see it now
[02:38] <scoon> readover man man
[02:38] <FCC> gotcha!
[02:46] <ulisse> Ubuntu seems to be unable to find cdrom during install, someone can help me?
[02:48] <jordi> ulisse: what kind of motherboard?
[02:48] <ulisse> jordi, Abit Guru
[02:49] <FCC> sudo nano -w /etc/samba/smb.conf
[02:49] <ulisse> jordi, Guru with an "m" in front, like the symbol for "micro"
[02:49] <FCC> edited for file sharing
[02:49] <FCC> smbpasswd
[02:49] <jordi> hmm, do you know what IDE hw it has, what module is it loading?
[02:49] <FCC> added my username to the list
[02:49] <FCC> and i'm all set!
[02:49] <FCC> thanks guys!
[02:50] <StevenR> quick question, if i remove gnome from ubuntu, how much of it will fail to work (admin tools, etc)? How difficult is it to replace kdm as login manager, and kde as default desktop?
[02:50] <ulisse> jordi, I tried the modules suggested by ubuntu in the manual config, but with no results
[02:50] <ulisse> jordi, wait a minute, I'll retry and tell you the message
[02:52] <jordi> ulisse: sorry, gotta go, my battery is about to die any minute.
[02:52] <ulisse> jordi, it says that are missing ide-mod and ide-probe-mod
[02:52] <jordi> ulisse: I dont know if this is fixed in Warty; try to boot, switch to console 2 and "modprobe ide-generic" before doing anything else.
[02:53] <ulisse> ok, thank you
[02:53] <Kamion> StevenR: we have some people working on a KDE variant of Ubuntu at the moment
[02:53] <StevenR> Kamion: cool :D
[02:53] <jordi> ulisse: maybe Kamion can tell you if the sata driver capturing normal ide controllers was fixed in warty, I have to pwoerdown.
[02:53] <StevenR> Kamion: but that doesn't answer my question
[02:53] <Kamion> StevenR: I don't know how easy it is; most of the desktop-level admin tools are GNOME, so you'd have to replace them
[02:54] <ulisse> jordi, thank you very much
[02:54] <StevenR> ahh ok
[02:54] <Kamion> ulisse: I have no idea on that I'm afraid
[02:54] <Kamion> StevenR: we'll be more likely to be able to answer that question in a month or two
[02:55] <StevenR> ok, thanks Kamion
[02:55] <ulisse> Kamion, I think the MoBo is too young... maybe i'll install hoary on April...
[03:21] <Solatis> hmmm, is NFS available by default in ubuntu?
[03:23] <Solatis> ah, installing nfs-common did the trick :)
[03:23] <Pacchio> how can install eciadsl for ubuntu?
[03:24] <Pacchio> :\
[03:25] <Pacchio> ?
[03:28] <Pacchio> nobody?
[03:29] <hearsay> Pacchio: apt-get install eciadsl (?)
[03:30] <Pacchio> but without eciadsl where i get?
[03:30] <hearsay> Pacchio: ?
[03:31] <Pacchio> apt-get download from internet or not
[03:31] <llun_ved> hello guys
[03:32] <hearsay> Pacchio: you don't have a /etc/apt/sources.list do you?
[03:33] <hearsay> Pacchio: type the following: "apt-get install eciadsl  -s"
[03:34] <hearsay> Pacchio: the -s is for testing, nothing is really installed, try it
[03:34] <llun_ved> i have a question regarding USB and ZIP drive. The prototype system I installed it onto will not see these devices. I am have been using Linux (redmond free) since Oct 2003 and know how to add devices to fstab. But these alterations did not work. Any suggestions?
[03:35] <erich> daniels: Hi, thanks for your strace. I somehow managed to strace my xserver. But it didn't improve my boot time much - the lastest graph (45 seconds) uses this information. still my original boot time of 30 seconds was a lot better.
[03:36] <kent> hearsay, Pacchio,  eciadsl is in universe. If you dont have a working modem then you cant get it, and since eciadsl is supposed to make the modem work, its a big problem :(
[03:36] <daniels> erich: typically works much better on starting a new server (i.e. sudo strace -e file -o foo Xorg :1, from within an existing session)
[03:36] <daniels> whatever you do, don't gdb it from the same machine; you catch a signal, gdb halts the x server, so you can't switch away to gdb to continue it
[03:37] <daniels> readahead is a very fickle beast
[03:37] <daniels> if you run it after the apps that need the stuff read ahead are run, you lose, obviously
[03:37] <daniels> and if you're doing it *while* you're doing other disk-slamming io, you've already lost
[03:38] <hearsay> kent: how would you chat without net access?
[03:38] <daniels> (you'll note on our charts that we run it in parallel with hotplug -- on thom's machine, which actually runs it, unlike scott's -- so we get hotplug slamming other resources and sleeping, while readahead slams the disk, uncontended)
[03:38] <erich> daniels: yes, that was what i did, run gdm with an xvnc, and startx.
[03:39] <erich> daniels: my init is highly parallelized, that probably is why it actually gets worse with readahead
[03:41] <kent> hearsay, i dont use eciadsl, but my brother once had to use it. And he had that problem, since ubuntu dont ship ecidadsl, which he needed to get the net working. He got tired of his modem and bought a real ethernet-modem instead. It seems like a bad idea not to have eciadsl in main, since some people need it to get universe.
[03:41] <daniels> erich: cups seems to be quite horrific
[03:42] <erich> yeah, i was considering delaying startup of cups, mysql and apache to get my login screen faster.
[03:42] <erich> but my init doesn't really have a concept of delaying things right now... i could of course just insert a "sleep" at the right place.
[03:43] <llun_ved> hmm ... i guess i don't know the secret salute
[03:44] <pb2371> hi guys, this might be just a general linux question or maybe with ubuntu it works different. How do I change runlevel? In other words, how do I make sure I can start the system and it will stay in single user mode?
[03:44] <BlacKnight|> hey, could someone try to dcc me a file please?
[03:44] <pb2371> this is something I would like to do in order to perform some maintenance
[03:45] <kent> pb2371, /etc/inittab
[03:45] <pb2371> kent: I know that but what else?
[03:45] <BlacKnight|> any file
[03:45] <Solatis> hmmmm
[03:45] <BlacKnight|> i need to test whether bitchx and firewall work
[03:45] <pb2371> just edit id:5 to id:1?
[03:45] <Solatis> how come i get this message when trying to do any root-related setup:
[03:46] <Solatis> ``Failed to rund gdmsetup as user root: Child terminated with 1 status"
[03:46] <Solatis> and when i run it directly as root:
[03:46] <Solatis> root@solatis3:~ # gdmsetup
[03:46] <Solatis> (gdmsetup:22602): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[03:46] <kent> pb2371  change tho id:1 yes.
[03:46] <Solatis> root@solatis3:~ #
[03:46] <pb2371> BlacKnight|: ok go on
[03:46] <pb2371> kenthanks I'll try
[03:47] <pb2371> kent: thanks I'll try
[03:47] <BlacKnight|> go on?
[03:47] <pb2371> BlacKnight|: do you want to send or receive?
[03:47] <BlacKnight|> receive
[03:48] <pb2371> I am willing to do but don't know how with chatzilla
[03:48] <pb2371> 8)
[03:48] <BlacKnight|> ok
[03:48] <erich> daniels: is there a way to order files by the sequence they are stored on the disc, or maybe a kernel interface to monitor file accesses?
[03:48] <kent> BlacKnight|, i can send if you want to.
[03:49] <pb2371> kent: you may as well tell me how to do that?
[03:49] <BlacKnight|> yes please
[03:49] <kent> pb2371, im using x-chat. Its just a matter of clickong on a user and choosing "send file" :)
[03:50] <kent> BlacKnight|, seems to work :)
[03:50] <BlacKnight|> wierd
[03:50] <kent> BlacKnight|, btw, its a cool sound to use as default in gaim :)
[03:50] <daniels> erich: the ideal case is xfs, where you have an online repacker, so you can tell the kernel to make a certain group of files contiguous on-disk
[03:50] <BlacKnight|> why dosesnt xdcc work when i try to d/l from xdcc channels?
[03:50] <BlacKnight|> is there a diff b/w xdcc and dcc?
[03:52] <BlacKnight|> anyway i'm going tgo sleep
[03:52] <BlacKnight|> night
[03:52] <erich> daniels: that would be a reason to switch to xfs. ;-)
[03:52] <kent> BlacKnight| godnight
[03:52] <daniels> erich: aye
[03:54] <xukun> what do I need to change to get those smal nice fonts during ubuntu boot messages?
[03:55] <punkrockguy318> hey i'm thinking about switching to ubuntu but i have some questions
[03:55] <punkrockguy318> does ubuntu add menu icons on application installation?
[03:55] <magnuscanis> sometimes
[03:55] <punkrockguy318> why not all the time?
[03:55] <magnuscanis> ? - still, it's easy enough to add your own
[03:55] <punkrockguy318> okay
[03:56] <punkrockguy318> and did ubuntu come up with a cd burning solution besides nautilus?
[03:56] <magnuscanis> not sure, haven't explored that side of things yet but I'm fairly sure there are alternatives available
[03:56] <punkrockguy318> okay
[03:56] <punkrockguy318> is gnucash available? or some other money management system?
[03:56] <magnuscanis> I've only been using Ubuntu for just over a week myself, btw.
[03:57] <punkrockguy318> oh
[03:57] <mjr> gnucash is available in universe
[03:57] <punkrockguy318> okay
[03:57] <punkrockguy318> do you find the universe packages stable?
[03:57] <magnuscanis> I've not had any problems with them yet :)
[03:57] <mjr> yes
[03:57] <Solatis> .. anyone has any idea why all root-administrative programs don't work on my system ? I really didn't do anything special with it yet, didn't mess with any permissions or so
[03:57] <punkrockguy318> hmm
[03:57] <Solatis> root@solatis3:~ # gdmsetup
[03:57] <Solatis> (gdmsetup:4039): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[03:57] <Solatis> root@solatis3:~ #
[03:58] <Pacchio> hearsay, now i'm at work
[03:58] <mjr> did you do a su - ?
[03:58] <magnuscanis> Solatis, are you using sudo?
[03:58] <Solatis> no i am not using sudo at the moment, but when i use sudo it does it too; it doesn't load it from the menu either
[03:58] <Pacchio> i've downloaded eciadsl.....deb
[03:59] <punkrockguy318> hmm i might give ubuntu a try
[03:59] <Pacchio> and dpkg -i .....
[03:59] <magnuscanis> I can understand it not working without sudo :) but I'm mystified otherwise
[03:59] <punkrockguy318> arch is nice... but there really isn't enough developers
[03:59] <magnuscanis> punkrockguy318, Ubuntu is certainly worth a look
[03:59] <magnuscanis> It's my favourite distro so far (admittedly not looked at v. many)
[03:59] <punkrockguy318> magnuscanis, i installed it on my buddy's pc and it seemed nice
[04:00] <punkrockguy318> my mother wants to use linux... and arch wouldn't be for her
[04:00] <punkrockguy318> it's not reliable enough
[04:00] <Solatis> what's the default password for sudo ?
[04:00] <Solatis> it's not the same as for su - :)
[04:00] <magnuscanis> Solatis, it should be your own user password that you set up on first install
[04:00] <Solatis> which kind of... ehrm... looks strange :)
[04:00] <Solatis> ahhh ok
[04:00] <punkrockguy318> Debian unstable was just too confusing... even for a linux expert
[04:00] <Solatis> ahhh crap that explains all those admin tools not working
[04:01] <Solatis> i was using the root password :)
[04:01] <magnuscanis> I'm surprised there is one, unless you set it specifically
[04:01] <Solatis> i set it, i personally don't like sudo...
[04:01] <punkrockguy318> how do you compare ubuntu to fedoracore3?
[04:01] <Solatis> as in, i don't like having to type sudo in front of every command
[04:02] <hearsay> Pacchio: everything allright now?
[04:02] <Pacchio> now i'm at work tonight try at home
[04:02] <Solatis> besides, i want to maintain my linux systems generic - in all the other systems i su -, it would be 'weird' to do su -s -H (or what was it) on the ubuntu workstation :)
[04:02] <magnuscanis> Solatis, I'm getting used to sudo although I still prefer su for some stuff (e.g. if I want to run several root commands together)
[04:03] <Pacchio> where is the conf for eciadsl?
[04:03] <Solatis> yeah exactly, and when i'm setting up my system like right now, i really want that a lot :)
[04:03] <magnuscanis> I have set up a root password so that I have both options available but I use sudo most of the time
[04:03] <mike998> I find that sudo su is useful if I am going to be doing a fair bit of admin on my system
[04:04] <reformed> sudo bash for me
[04:04] <Pacchio> is there an how to for ubuntu and eciadsl???
[04:04] <thenuke> what is eciadsl :I
[04:04] <Pacchio> modem adsl drivers
[04:04] <Pacchio> usb
[04:05] <magnuscanis> I hadn't thought of doing sudo su :-/
[04:05] <magnuscanis> or sudo bash
[04:05] <Pacchio> :\
[04:07] <pb2371> BlacKnight|: do you mind a quick send "test"
[04:09] <Cred> If installing new versions with dpkg should old version be removed first? I'm trying to update ATI drivers.
[04:09] <wezzer> hello all
[04:09] <magnuscanis> hi
[04:09] <wezzer> how do you do?
[04:10] <kent> Cred, if you update with synaptic or apt then it should be upgraded automatic.
[04:11] <magnuscanis> wezzer, I'm fine thanks.  And you?
[04:11] <wezzer> fine :)
[04:11] <wezzer> just came from a flight
[04:11] <Cred> kent, this I'm going to do manually. Downloaded an package from (apparently) daniels homepage (fglrtx).
[04:13] <kent> Cred, i just read the man-page for dpkg, and although im not sure, it  seems like dpkg will remove the old and upgrade to the new.
[04:14] <Nivlem> ogra: You up and about?
[04:15] <Cred> kent, I was unsure about that too. It's lacking command "upgrade" so I guess it's safe to just install "over" the old.. Well, I'll try.
[04:15] <Nivlem> Can anyone explain how it would be possible that mac-fdisk shows /dev/sdb and the partition map when this device isn't plugged in and hasn't been since before reboot this morning?
[04:16] <kent> Cred, try it and see how it goes. Just do a "dpkg -l" and see if you find two versions there :)
[04:17] <Cred> kent, nope. Only one, seems to be working. I need to .. reboot (since it's fglrx) to see if it really works..
[04:19] <kent> Cred, press "ctrl+alt+backspace". You dont need to reboot to restart X (and the drivers for it).  Perhaps logout first.
[04:21] <llun_ved> Hehe. It took me months to get out of the "Reboot" mentality after any system change.
[04:21] <Synek> eheh
[04:21] <llun_ved> Then I learned life was actually plesant.
[04:22] <kent> its not realy the worlds most worst thing to reboot,  but its some times realy not needed.
[04:24] <llun_ved> kent: I have a 120 clients and three servers. Only one is a Linux box in a closed MS shop. I really despize "reboots"
[04:24] <Nivlem> Where would ubuntu be getting bad information about devices attached to it via firewire? hotplug, or udev
[04:25] <Marceldebian> Hi. Where do you find the changelogs for Hoary packages ? Thanks
[04:25] <Potaje> wenas
[04:25] <Solatis> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/ubuntu.png
[04:25] <Solatis> anyone knows where to get this wallpaper ?
[04:26] <kent> llun_ved, my biggest problem is when i have azureus or something like that running a download of, like say..a good movie (The young once!). Those times i realy hate it when i need to reboot.
[04:28] <llun_ved> heh
[04:29] <Cred> kent, I've got problems ;)
[04:30] <llun_ved> It is almost sheer joy to come home to my Linux box. I currently drive Slackware with Dropline GNOME. I am seriously looking at Ubuntu. My only issues have been wiith an internal Zip drive and a USB Flashdrive.
[04:32] <llun_ved> I believe the design behind Ubuntu is on the right track for professional-level Linux.
[04:32] <Nivlem> llun_ved: Well all I can say is that Ubuntu picked up all 3 of my firewire devices that are connected externally through a hub..worked great..don't think you will have any problems...
[04:32] <kent> Cred, the driver is not working?
[04:33] <Cred> kent, [fglrx:firegl_unlock]  *ERROR* Process 5148 using kernel context 0
[04:33] <Cred> I guess the driver would work but something is mixed up..
[04:33] <wezzer> hey, does ubuntu's kernel work with ati drivers ok?
[04:33] <Cred> Sure
[04:33] <kent> Cred, perhaps try to reboot? it might be that it uses a kernel module that needs to be reloaded?  Im not an expert ;)
[04:34] <Cred> kent, I tried rebooting. Two times already..
[04:34] <llun_ved> I am impressed that Ubuntu doesn't have massive over bloat. Albeit it was my first "Debian" install.
[04:35] <llun_ved> The decompression of files took me by surprise.
[04:35] <cuser> hello everyone
[04:35] <Gwildor> hi
[04:35] <llun_ved> hello
[04:35] <kent> Cred, revert to the old drivers, perhaps?
[04:35] <cuser> I just got a copy of the software and I am yet to try it
[04:36] <Gwildor> what are you waiting for?
[04:36] <cuser> can anyone tell me what kind of packages it supports
[04:36] <Marceldebian> No one knows where I can access the changelog for a particular ubuntu package ?
[04:36] <Gwildor> cuser, .deb
[04:36] <cuser> I tried the live cd and really I am impressed
[04:37] <cuser> is it very good for networking and development
[04:37] <cuser> thanks Gwildor
[04:37] <Gwildor> idk.....one computer....dont develop
[04:37] <Gwildor> np :)
[04:38] <cuser> so assuming I want to develope on it where do i get necessary packages to install
[04:38] <Gwildor> cuser, synaptic......apt-get
[04:38] <originalbrownste> does anyone know if BT still use usb cable modems please?
[04:39] <cuser> pls Gwildor dont get what is synaptics
[04:39] <Brennos> just wondering is the ppc64 platform supported under Ubuntu?
[04:39] <Gwildor> cuser, GUI for apt-get
[04:39] <Gwildor> Brennos, yup
[04:39] <cuser> ok
[04:39] <Gwildor> Brennos, sorry.....there is ppc...so i think so
[04:39] <cuser> thanks
[04:40] <Gwildor> g5's are 64 bit.......it should go
[04:40] <Brennos> sure?
[04:40] <Gwildor> g4'2 are too...arent they
[04:40] <Brennos> g4's are 32bit
[04:41] <Cred> kent, kent now it works.
[04:41] <Cred> kent, I didn't update linux-restricted
[04:42] <Gwildor> Brennos, g4 is 64
[04:42] <originalbrownste> Ive got a mate who is about to try ubuntu (i already use it) but thought I would check out if it can detect and install drivers for usb modems so anyone using one please?
[04:42] <llun_ved> oh good lord. doesn't this moron know i check my system logs. brb. got to drop someone.
[04:42] <Gwildor> Brennos, look here     http://www.apple-history.com/noframes/body.php?page=gallery&model=g4_quicksilver
[04:43] <Gwildor> Data Path: 64 bit
[04:43] <jdub> good morning freedom lovers
[04:43] <miausX> hi!!
[04:45] <Rotund> hello
[04:46] <Rotund> anyone know if hoary's new kernel includes inotify support?
[04:46] <Cred> Too bad BF1942 still crashes :(
[04:46] <miausX> no idea Rotund
[04:46] <kent> Gwildor, usb-modems are a hell for all linux distributions.  You will have to use the  eciadsl-driver, and its realy hard.  (If you meen usb-modems, like non-ethernet modems.)
[04:47] <kent> Ohmer, that should have been to originalbrownste and not Gwildor :(
[04:47] <Gwildor> tis ok :)
[04:48] <miausX> hum... I'm trying to run bootlogd, I have enabled it in /etc/default/bootlogd, but I see that Ubuntu uses a "new console device" (major 5, minor 1). In the man page, section bugs, the author sais that I need to append a line to the kernel boot options, console=<something>
[04:48] <kent> haha,  and i wrote the last message to ohmer, which i didn't meen to. haha, im tired :)
[04:49] <originalbrownste> kent, thanks, I remember in the past seeing posts about it being difficult and wondered if it had become any easier, I guess his best bet then is to get a compatible adsl router
[04:49] <originalbrownste> kent, he's never used linux before and i want it to work for him
[04:49] <kent> originalbrownste, or getting an ethernet-modem. I think the companys doing the usb-modems dont release specs and stuff, so making drivers is hard :(
[04:50] <miausX> any idea about what should I put in console=? please, excuse my bad english ;)
[04:51] <originalbrownste> kent, yes with a standard ethernet connecter
[04:51] <kent> originalbrownste, that sounds as if it will work. After the internet is working, using ubuntu is very easy :)
[04:51] <Rotund> miausX: it goes in your grub.conf
[04:51] <Rotund> It should be under boot I believe
[04:52] <miausX> Rotund, humm... yes, I know, I put that on /boot/grub/menu.lst, but I don't know what to put in console=
[04:52] <Rotund> sorry, they haven't updated yet.  it's in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:52] <miausX> hehehe, yes :)
[04:52] <Rotund> oh =)
[04:52] <Rotund> I don't know that part.  I thought it had said
[04:53] <originalbrownste> kent, yep it sure is, I was amazed how it detected everything on my computer correctly - particularly my internal usb 7in1 card reader - it just worked!!!
[04:53] <originalbrownste> kent, Im not used to such luxuries :)
[04:53] <miausX> Rotund, I'll try console=/dev/tty1 (and pray) ;D
[04:54] <Rotund> there ya go
[04:56] <kent> originalbrownste, i dont have much devices, but those i have work well :)
[04:56] <originalbrownste> kent, what did you use before ubuntu?
[04:57] <kent> originalbrownste, Fedora Core. it workes good aswell, but i like ubuntu better.
[04:59] <originalbrownste> kent, ah Fedora Core, I nearly gave that another go, I hadn't tried it since they'd introduced 'yum' package management, before that at least rpm systems where hell.  I always loved Debian so when I heard about Ubuntu I had to try it and now I'm sold on it!
[05:01] <kent> originalbrownste, my only problems is that it boots very slow, :(
[05:01] <Hikaru79> Hey, can anyone think of a Linux distribution who's LiveCD comes with Sun's Java compiler? (And preferrably some sort of IDE, but not neccesarily)?
[05:01] <scoon> Hikaru79, no
[05:01] <Hikaru79> =( None?
[05:01] <scoon> Hikaru79, good luck getting one with that as well
[05:02] <kent> Hikaru79, dont sun have a live cd now?  it might come with suns java  ;)
[05:02] <scoon> Hikaru79, maybe you would find one w/ one of the free java's
[05:02] <Hikaru79> =O Sun have a LiveCD? For Solaris, you mean?
[05:04] <jdong> anyone alive in here?
[05:04] <originalbrownste> im hangin on!
[05:05] <kent> Hikaru79, http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2004-January/009336.html    i have not found the livecd (just did a quick search now) but that page mentions it..
[05:05] <originalbrownste> im recovering from my company xmas do - ive been ill for the last 12 hours :(
[05:06] <foo_>  hi all, someone could tell me how to set up a dialup connecton with beatrix?
[05:07] <Hikaru79> foo_, try #beatrix
[05:08] <Gwildor> foo_, getting the run around??
[05:08] <Gwildor> foo_, no help in knoppic?
[05:09] <Gwildor> knoppix?
[05:09] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, it is a knoppix/ubuntu based live cd with gnome2.8
[05:10] <originalbrownste> Gwildor, ah
[05:10] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, thats is beatrix, the cat is the logo, and also shares the name
[05:10] <originalbrownste> hehe
[05:10] <Hikaru79|Breakfa> Thanks, kent :)
[05:10] <Hikaru79|Breakfa> At least I know what to look for now
[05:11] <Gwildor> there is another cat oscar........the server for beatrix is oskartix
[05:11] <originalbrownste> your kidding me right?
[05:11] <Hikaru79|Breakfa> no, originalbrownste, he's serious :P But oskartix hasn't been released yet
[05:12] <originalbrownste> ah, vapour ware, :)
[05:12] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, the plan is to have workstations with flash drives, with no free space, and save all of your work on the server
[05:13] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, would b for like an office
[05:13] <Gwildor> but bea is usable at home as well..............not default like that
[05:14] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, http://watsky.net/
[05:14] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, http://www.watsky.net/next.html
[05:16] <originalbrownste> Gwildor, just reading the 'what is it' page, very interesting
[05:16] <Gwildor> yeah
[05:17] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, hmmm, the "what it is" lik sends me to downloads?
[05:18] <originalbrownste> Gwildor, http://www.watsky.net/whatisit.html
[05:18] <originalbrownste> Gwildor, its working for Me?
[05:19] <nixman> anyone knows where the kernel-source package (2.6.8.1) is for the kernel that came with ubuntu (hoary) ? apt does not see any kernel-source-2.6.8.*
[05:19] <jdub> nixman: apt-cache search linux-source
[05:19] <llun_ved> I was just reading an e-mail and it triggered a question. Is there a way to put Ubuntu on a USB falshdrive
[05:20] <llun_ved> flashdrive
[05:20] <StyXman> wow, so much people
[05:20] <StyXman> hi all
[05:20] <StyXman> simple quetion:
[05:20] <originalbrownste> hi
[05:21] <wood1> Hi to all
[05:21] <StyXman> is it sane to mix debian/unstable with haory?
[05:21] <nixman> jdub, thanks
[05:21] <Pacchio> anyone use adsl usb modem with ubuntu?
[05:21] <StyXman> er, hoary?
[05:21] <wood1> By the way guys, how many of you have already received the free Ubuntu CDs ?
[05:21] <kent> StyXman, i would not do it.
[05:21] <StyXman> kent: aha?
[05:21] <gangalino> how do you check the version of debian Warty Warthog is?
[05:22] <StyXman> wood1: I know people in .ar and .uy who already received the cd's
[05:22] <Pacchio> with fedora core 3 i have no problem for modem adsl usb
[05:22] <Gwildor> llun_ved, beatrix is working on it.....will be done soon...just working ouyt the bugs
[05:22] <jdub> gabe: cat /etc/lsb-release
[05:22] <kent> StyXman, well, ubuntu unstable have bleeding-edge packages, so why mix the two?
[05:22] <Pacchio> but ubuntu i want try it :)
[05:22] <StyXman> kent: hmm
[05:23] <Bobalamer> hello
[05:23] <StyXman> kent: I think hoary as bleeding edge, and unstable as leading edge (i.e., just a little behind)
[05:23] <wood1> Amaranth, are you there ?
[05:23] <StyXman> but afaik unstable has more soft, is it so?
[05:23] <Pacchio> is there an italian here?
[05:24] <kent> StyXman, well, with ubuntu unstable i mean hoary, and mixing them seems like a bad idea, since i cant see what the other have that the other one dont. ?
[05:24] <StyXman> Pacchio: what modem? I've had problems with the amigo
[05:24] <Pacchio> ericsson hm120dp
[05:24] <wood1> Well 50% of Internal modems don't work in Linux
[05:24] <StyXman> kent: you said ubuntu unstable?
[05:24] <Pacchio> external is
[05:24] <wood1> But 95% external modem's work well in Linux
[05:24] <llun_ved> Gwildor, ty. I am new to Ubuntu. So I am not aware of who is working on what. From what I have seen and played with, I like what the Ubuntu development team are doing with this Linux.
[05:25] <Pacchio> how install it?
[05:25] <kent> StyXman, i ment ubuntu hoary :)  Horary=unstable, sort of.
[05:25] <wood1> Install what ?
[05:25] <Gwildor> llun_ved, that was from #beatrix......it is a ubuntu/knoppix based live cd with gnome 2.8
[05:25] <wood1> Pacchio
[05:25] <Bobalamer> what are the progam in ubuntu to setup the Xconf ?
[05:25] <Pacchio> driver modem
[05:25] <tim1> has anybody here some experience with beagle ?
[05:25] <wood1> Are you in your bash terminal ?
[05:25] <StyXman> er, maybe hoary>=unstable? in package versions...
[05:26] <Pacchio> nope now i'm at work
[05:26] <Gwildor> llun_ved, the dev hands in the room alot....name is oskar...something
[05:26] <StyXman> and also, hoary has xorg :)
[05:26] <gangalino> how do you find the debian version of warty?
[05:26] <Pacchio> but i'll find u
[05:26] <llun_ved> ah
[05:26] <wood1> So your home PC has Ubuntu installed
[05:26] <wood1> and you probably dual boot that with Windows
[05:26] <StyXman> gangalino: simple, is not debian
[05:26] <Pacchio> yes at home
[05:26] <kent> StyXman, dont get my wrong ubuntu hoary and debian unstable is not the same. I just ment that ubuntu hoary could be regarded as ubuntu unstable right now.
[05:27] <wood1> Well when you go back home, open the GNOME bash terminal
[05:27] <StyXman> ah
[05:27] <Gwildor> llun_ved, watsky.net if you want to read more
[05:27] <StyXman> kent: ok, let me see if i have the facts right
[05:27] <Pacchio> wood1 ok and after
[05:27] <wood1> Pacchio and login as root
[05:27] <wood1> or Just do:  sudo -s
[05:27] <Pacchio> dpkg -i eciadsl....?
[05:27] <wood1> After that
[05:28] <wood1> at the terminal $ type:    pppconfig
[05:28] <StyXman> does hoary have the same # of packages than unstable? unstable has ~16k now...
[05:28] <wezzer> hey, what kind of internet radios does gnome's music play? I didn't get .m3u station to work...
[05:28] <kent> StyXman, dont know that. But do you realy need all of them? I think not.
[05:28] <StyXman> wood1: won't it be pppoeconf?
[05:28] <Pacchio> but i must install eciadsl?
[05:29] <gangalino> ubuntu is debian-based, right? I ask because I want to install a late version of aim
[05:29] <wood1> Are you using a Dial-Up modem or ISDN modem ?
[05:29] <Pacchio> at home adsl modem
[05:29] <StyXman> kent: well, not *all*, but I use debian becuase its soft availability
[05:29] <Pacchio> usb
[05:29] <wood1> Are you using the PPPoE protocol ?
[05:29] <StyXman> gangalino: switch to hoary then
[05:29] <Pacchio> wood1, i think yes
[05:30] <gangalino> how about just answering my original question, which would simply let me install 1 package instead of upgrading the whole OS
[05:30] <StyXman> gangalino: well, I mixed a little debian and ubuntu, but hasn't tested it very much
[05:30] <jdong> unfortunately lots of time, you can't do that
[05:30] <StyXman> it *seems* to work
[05:31] <jdong> especially as warty diverges from sid and hoary
[05:31] <gangalino> I just remembered- uname -r
[05:31] <Pacchio> when i install the package eciadsl.deb i don't find the eciadsl-conf.tk
[05:31] <gangalino> much simpler
[05:31] <StyXman> gangalino: that gives you kernel version
[05:31] <noda> daniels: ping
[05:32] <StyXman> I have debian unstable, but uname -r gives me 2.4.19-via8237
[05:32] <gangalino> how do the ubuntu kernel versions match up against debian kernels?
[05:32] <noda> daniels: bug #1503 has been marked a duplicate of #1258 (which was solved), but I still experience #1503.
[05:32] <noda> gangalino: They have more features!
[05:33] <StyXman> noda: that's interesting
[05:33] <Treenaks> tim1: get 2.6.9
[05:33] <Treenaks> tim1: :)
[05:33] <Pacchio> :\
[05:33] <Pacchio> wood1, ...
[05:33] <tim1> tim@ubuntu ~ $ uname -r
[05:33] <tim1> 2.6.9-1-686-smp
[05:33] <tim1> :)
[05:33] <noda> mmm, smp...
[05:33] <UrkeMMI> hi
[05:34] <gangalino> this is what I'm asking about- http://www.aim.com/get_aim/linux/latest_linux.adp?aolp=#features which 1 should I try to install?
[05:34] <UrkeMMI> how I can change time of files in ubuntu?
[05:34] <originalbrownste> cya all
[05:34] <GotD0t> gangalino: that version will probably have adds and be annoying, just use gaim
[05:35] <noda> gangalino: Why not use gaim? It's installed by default
[05:35] <gangalino> I want to get file transfers and put up my buddy icon- real high-level stuff ya know
[05:35] <noda> gangalino: Gaim does that
[05:36] <gangalino> how do I configure my own buddy icon?
[05:36] <StyXman> gangalino: take it as if it were a debian 3.0+
[05:36] <noda> gangalino: Edit your account
[05:36] <daniels> noda: what sort of laptop do you have?
[05:36] <noda> daniels: Dell Inspiron 600m, with Radeon 9000 Mobility
[05:36] <daniels> noda: ok, you almost certainly are seeing #3300, then
[05:37] <noda> daniels: Yes, but #3300 was fixed
[05:37] <daniels> in 2.6.9, yes
[05:37] <noda> daniels: (and it *was* fixed, I don't get crashes any more)
[05:37] <wood1> Pacchio, how do you connect to the Internet with your modem from Home ?
[05:37] <daniels> right
[05:37] <noda> daniels: So should I put a comment on #1503?
[05:38] <wood1> Treenaks, how are you ?
[05:38] <gangalino> thanks for helping an idiot like me out
[05:38] <wood1> are you there ?
[05:38] <Treenaks> wood1: ish
[05:38] <wood1> Well long time no see
[05:38] <Pacchio> with windows for now
[05:38] <daniels> noda: yeah.  does changing it to chvt 1, solve it for you?
[05:38] <wood1> How do  you connect to the Internet from Windows ?
[05:38] <noda> daniels: One sec :)
[05:39] <wood1> Why don't you query your modem using: pppconfig ?
[05:39] <noda> daniels: nope
[05:39] <daniels> noda: and it works if you uncomment the chvt line?
[05:40] <noda> daniels: Could it be that when the Radeon driver is unloaded the screen is turned on?
[05:40] <wood1> Does it show in the Device Manager list in>Computer>System Configuration> Device Manager ?
[05:40] <daniels> noda: looks like it's just the radeonfb driver sucking
[05:40] <daniels> noda: alternately, does it work if you change it to 'chvt 1; sleep 3'?
[05:40] <noda> daniels: Works when I comment the chvt line
[05:41] <wood1> Treenaks, do you have any idea about openMosix Linux Clustering ?
[05:41] <noda> daniels: You mean sleep 3; chvt 1? (the other doesn't work)
[05:41] <Treenaks> wood1: yes, google.com
[05:41] <noda> daniels: Neither works :)
[05:41] <wood1> You see, I have to look after some 12 Pentium II machines where I have installed Ubuntu Linux
[05:42] <wood1> But the problem is that they are very slow and I was thinking about using Linux Clustering to lessen the burden
[05:42] <noda> daniels: I have both radeon and vesafb modules loaded... is that normal?
[05:42] <daniels> noda: radeon is DRI for X
[05:43] <noda> daniels: Okay, just checking :)
[05:43] <daniels> radeonfb might give you more joy than vesafb, but I can't remember how to enable it off the top of my head
[05:43] <wood1> So can somebody give me some hints about using some kind of Linux Clustering to use the 12 Linux machines into a single cluster
[05:44] <noda> daniels: Hrm. Well, I don't really have that much time to play around right now, actually. I have a huge exam on Tuesday in a class I'm not doing well in :)
[05:44] <wood1> Pacchio, have you tried detecting your ISDN modem using:   ppppoeconf  ???
[05:44] <noda> daniels: Should I reopen the bug, or should I just come here and bug you when I have more time? :)
[05:45] <Pacchio> pppoe = ethernet?
[05:45] <wood1> Pucchio, pppoeconf
[05:45] <Pacchio> for ethernet modem
[05:45] <daniels> noda: if you reopen, that's cool
[05:45] <wood1> Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet
[05:45] <wood1> pppoe
[05:45] <Pacchio> it is
[05:45] <noda> daniels: Okay, will do
[05:45] <daniels> noda: cheers
[05:46] <Pacchio> my modem is adsl usb
[05:46] <wood1> Well I think PPPoE is not your case
[05:46] <wood1> Just type: pppconfig
[05:46] <noda> daniels: Thanks for your help. And now, I must go wrap my head around bode plots :)
[05:46] <wood1> And see if that program detects your USB Modem
[05:46] <daniels> noda: g'luck with your exam
[05:46] <noda> daniels: Thanks :)
[05:46] <Pacchio> ok wood1
[05:47] <Pacchio> tonight i try
[05:47] <Pacchio> now i can't
[05:47] <wood1> Do you know the Port that your USB Modem connects in Windows ?
[05:47] <jdong> daniels: while I'm here, are there any plans for a packages.ubuntu.com?
[05:47] <daniels> jdong: not sure, sorry, but it would certainly be cool
[05:48] <jdong> yeah, definitely
[05:48] <jdong> daniels: The winehq wine-20041201: any plans to put it in Hoary....
[05:48] <jdong> I don't like backporting apps to Warty that are newer than Hoary! LOL
[05:49] <jdong> but it seems to be in nice working condition.
[05:49] <GotD0t> does anybody know how to set the default browser to be firefox, but make it so it always opens on the same display... ive tried adding the -display=0.0 or w/e command to the default browser... and it works from my 0.1 display, but if i try to open a link from my 0.0 display it tries to open a new instance of firefox instead of opening in a new tab or window
[05:50] <jdong> something about mozilla-x-remote-client or something like that??
[05:50] <mjr> I think you want to write a wrapper script that explicitly tells it to use .0
[05:50] <mjr> (or try xinerama)
[05:51] <daniels> jdong: again, i'm not sure, sorry; since it's in universe, it wouldn't be done by our core team, but i'm sure an eager packager from the community could jump in to help ...
[05:51] <GotD0t> mjr: well it always opens it up on the correct display, its just when it gets opened from .0 it tries to open another firefox instance
[05:52] <mjr> oh right, parse error
[05:52] <jdong> daniels: It's already packaged into a .deb specifically for Warty; I don't see much more effort than an upload to include it!
[05:52] <GotD0t> mjr: i dont like xinerama, i like my two distinct desktops
[05:53] <jdong> daniels: discussion here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6745
[05:54] <daniels> jdong: looks pretty slick.  i'll check it out, kick me in a few days if i haven't done anything useful
[05:54] <daniels> x breaking time now
[05:55] <jdong> lol, go have fun!
[05:55] <GotD0t> daniels: how about some acceleration fixing time ;-)
[05:55] <jdong> if you can find bin laden and fix the whole palestinian border thing too.....
[05:55] <jdong> what an act for humanity!
[05:55] <jdong> (I'll backport it to warty ;))
[05:56] <Pacchio> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download.php
[05:56] <Pacchio> that are the drivers
[05:59] <CaseysZ28_> morning everyone
[06:01] <CaseysZ28_> i have an amd64 machine and i want to install gkrellm but it is not in the repsoitories
[06:01] <CaseysZ28_> how would i do this?
[06:02] <jdong> can you apt-get source --compile it?
[06:02] <CaseysZ28_> i tried to download the source from freshmeat.net and compile it but it didn't work
[06:03] <CaseysZ28_> i read in the forums that the sarge packages would work but i can't find those either
[06:06] <Fwiffo> does anyone know id the lrmi library is availible anywhere for ubuntu?
[06:06] <Fwiffo> I can't seem to find a .deb for it
[06:07] <CaseysZ28_> does apt-get source --compile not download the dependencies?
[06:07] <mjr> no, apt-get build-dep for them
[06:10] <jcoventry> hello
[06:10] <jcoventry> i have successfully installed vlc and gnome-vlc onto Ubuntu linux...but when i select 'VLC for GNOME' from the Multimedia menu in the Applications list, nothing happens!
[06:11] <jcoventry> anyone?
[06:12] <amathis> jcoventry: try running it command line and see if it outputs errors
[06:13] <jcoventry> it does.
[06:18] <CaseysZ28_> ok i have all of the dependencies but libgtop-dev
[06:19] <CaseysZ28_> and it is not in the repositories
[06:19] <CaseysZ28_> how to get it?
[06:20] <wezzer> anyone who'd like to help me with a soundcard problem?
[06:21] <CaseysZ28_> what kind of card?
[06:21] <wezzer> I have 2 soundcards, one is integrated to motherboard and another is PCI-soundblaster-audigy
[06:21] <CaseysZ28_> modprobe emu10k1
[06:21] <wezzer> problem is, that there is no alsaconf in ubuntu so I can't define default-soundcard
[06:21] <wezzer> so ubuntu sets integrated card to default, because it modprobes it first
[06:22] <wezzer> any ideas how can I set that it founds SB audigy first and sets that as a default-soundcard?
[06:22] <CaseysZ28_> try turning off the one on the board
[06:22] <wezzer> I need 2 soundcards
[06:22] <wezzer> that's why I can't
[06:22] <CaseysZ28_> it set my sound blaster live first over my built on sound
[06:24] <CaseysZ28_> does the audigy show up in the device manager?
[06:24] <wezzer> yes it does
[06:25] <__learner__> hi
[06:25] <wezzer> hi
[06:26] <CaseysZ28_> try to apt-get install alsa-utils and see if that gives you alsaconf
[06:26] <amathis> jcoventry: what are the errors?
[06:27] <wezzer> CaseysZ28_: "alsa-utils is already the newest version."
[06:27] <CaseysZ28_> my card is using the OSS drivers
[06:27] <CaseysZ28_> k
[06:28] <defunkt> anyone have quake3 working in ubuntu in here?
[06:28] <wezzer> CaseysZ28_: should I have universe added before apt-get install alsa-utils?
[06:28] <CaseysZ28_> i have universe and multiverse added and it gave me the same thing
[06:29] <wezzer> okay...
[06:30] <jcoventry> amathis: Illegal instruction
[06:32] <CaseysZ28_> when you run alsamixer what card does it show for you?
[06:32] <wezzer> motherboard integrated one
[06:35] <zanni> hello
[06:36] <GotD0t> hi
[06:36] <zanni> I have one problem whit the boot of ubuntu in one ubuntu
[06:36] <GotD0t> what happens?
[06:37] <zanni> only boot the macos
[06:37] <zanni> :(
[06:37] <GotD0t> oh
[06:37] <zanni> the yaboot.conf is missing
[06:37] <GotD0t> i don't know about dual booting with OS X
[06:38] <zanni> :( thanks...
[06:38] <foursti> How do I open secure shell connection from outside?
[06:39] <GotD0t> you need a SSH client and you need to know the IP of the server comp
[06:40] <foursti> we have all that information, how do i enable that specific port?
[06:40] <GotD0t> are you behind a router?
[06:41] <foursti> yes
[06:41] <mjr> have you installed openssh-server?
[06:41] <mjr> if not, install it
[06:41] <GotD0t> what type of router?
[06:41] <GotD0t> foursti: look in the doccumentation for your router on how to enable port forwarding
[06:41] <foursti> we installed ssh-server, we know how to configure the router is there a port we have to open for the server itself? is it 22
[06:43] <foursti> How do I start ssh-server on my linux?
[06:43] <GotD0t> it is 22
[06:43] <GotD0t> but i suggest openssh-server
[06:44] <GotD0t> look at the man pages for it
[06:46] <foursti> We got openssh-server. I will read man pages on how to start it.  Thanks for help.
[06:50] <jdub> http://192.168.0.77:8800/
[06:50] <jdub> ^ theora stream
[06:51] <Treenaks> jdub: poke a hole in the firewall! :)_
[06:52] <pluesch0r> evening! is it possible to execute 32-bit code when running amd64?
[06:52] <pluesch0r> in ubuntu, that is ..
[06:53] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: that depends on the 32-bit code and how it's linked and everything
[06:54] <pluesch0r> Treenaks: i'm merely thinking 'bout the macromedia flash plugin. ;)
[06:54] <moquist> anybody here speak French?
[06:54] <pluesch0r> since i can compile anything else on my own.
[06:54] <Treenaks> moquist: ask again in #ubuntu-fr
[06:54] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: you don't need to compile, get the packages from universe
[06:54] <moquist> Treenaks: might have better luck there, yeah.  :)
[06:54] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: and I think flash is one of the "notably unsupported" packages
[06:54] <Treenaks> moquist: :)
[06:54] <jcoventry> can anyone help me
[06:55] <Treenaks> jcoventry: that depends on the problem :)
[06:55] <Synek> :)
[06:55] <maruen> somebody could help me how to install xfce in ubuntu?
[06:55] <mjr> pluesch0r, eg. the openoffice package does that, but it's kinda kludgish; if you really need to run 32-bit packages, your best bet is to probably set up a 32-bit chroot environment
[06:55] <jcoventry> i have successfully installed vlc and gnome-vlc onto Ubuntu linux...but when i select 'VLC for GNOME' from the Multimedia menu in the Applications list, nothing happens!
[06:55] <pluesch0r> i see .. well, that's the same problem as on debian, then.
[06:56] <mjr> pluesch0r, basically yes
[06:56] <iz> jcoventry, try to start it in a terminal a watch what happens
[06:56] <jcoventry> i get an error
[06:56] <pluesch0r> *sigh*
[06:56] <iz> jcoventry, what sort of error?
[06:56] <jcoventry> iz, the error is "Illegal Instruction"
[06:57] <iz> ai
[06:57] <pluesch0r> mjr: when asking in the debian-channel, the answer to the question when 32bit-binary-support would be added in the amd64-tree was "after sarge" .. is there any information when this will be possible on ubuntu?
[06:57] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: in hoary :)
[06:57] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: (i.e. after warty ;))
[06:58] <mjr> I don't know spesifics
[06:58] <pluesch0r> Treenaks: yeah well, hoary can already be installed.
[06:58] <mjr> (will it really be in hoary?)
[06:58] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: it's not done yet
[06:58] <Q-FUNK> pluesch0r: if you dare try Hoardy, simply substitute all occurences of warty in sources.list, it's already there although it's a moving target.
[06:58] <pluesch0r> Treenaks: is it planned?
[06:58] <Treenaks> mjr: I think it might be
[06:58] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: not really as a goal
[06:58] <pluesch0r> Q-FUNK: i know, did that. broke my system nicely. :)
[06:58] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: more as a "would be nice if"
[06:58] <pluesch0r> i see.
[06:58] <Q-FUNK> pluesch0r: ouch
[06:59] <pluesch0r> Q-FUNK: ah well, i expected it.
[06:59] <pluesch0r> :)
[06:59] <Q-FUNK> tried pinning warty as higher priority in apt/preferences?
[06:59] <pluesch0r> no, i re-installed warty.
[07:00] <pluesch0r> and my laptop will stay on warty.
[07:00] <jcoventry> well, iz??
[07:00] <Q-FUNK> here, I've got the whole sheebang in my sources, and use apt/preferences to sort out the priorities between testing/unstable/experimental/warty/hoary.
[07:00] <Treenaks> jcoventry: I have no idea
[07:00] <pluesch0r> mhm
[07:01] <iz> jcoventry, sorry
[07:01] <jcoventry> damn.
[07:02] <jcoventry> if only Totem Movie Player had QuickTime support...
[07:02] <thomasvs> jdub: ping ?
[07:02] <pluesch0r> so .. what do i need to do to watch flashed webpages on amd64? re-install ubuntu/386 all over again?
[07:02] <thomasvs> jcoventry: FREEDOM !
[07:04] <jcoventry> lol.
[07:05] <mjr> :)
[07:06] <CraHan> is there something I can do to get the gnome menu working correctly again?
[07:06] <CraHan> as an intermediate solution?
[07:06] <Riddell> jcoventry: it should do with the xine backend
[07:06] <jcoventry> riddell, english?:P
[07:08] <Riddell> jcoventry: install totem-xine and w32codecs (the last one comes from the marillat repository)
[07:09] <choisy> hi there
[07:09] <iz> jcoventry, try http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html
[07:10] <jcoventry> ok, riddell.
[07:10] <jcoventry> ok, checking the link, iz
[07:11] <choisy> what is the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[07:11] <jdub> choisy: dist-upgrade will add and remove packages to resolve the upgrade
[07:11] <mjr> latter may install new packages and remove old ones when required
[07:13] <lil_anthony> whats the file in terminal to edit the ifconfig? like i used it one time before to set my static ip but i need to change it
[07:15] <Tomcat_> lil_anthony: /etc/network/interfaces usually
[07:15] <Tomcat_> lil_anthony: But you might want to check the network setup GUIs Ubuntu has.
[07:15] <lil_anthony> ok thanks i just found it right before you typed
[07:15] <lil_anthony> thanks again
[07:15] <Tomcat_> :] 
[07:15] <lil_anthony> i was using interface instead of interfaces
[07:16] <lil_anthony> haha
[07:16] <jcoventry> riddell, i've installed xine
[07:21] <jcoventry> libdvdcss2 installation wont work because it says the package is obselete
[07:21] <Riddell> jcoventry: what sources are you using?
[07:22] <jcoventry> i'm simply trying sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[07:23] <jcoventry> riddell, i'm also having problems installing w32codecs
[07:23] <jcoventry> E: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[07:23] <Synek> hm
[07:24] <Synek> I've compiled mplayer and it has everything i need
[07:27] <Shufla> hello :)
[07:27] <Shufla> i think there's problem on www.ubuntulinux.org website
[07:27] <poky> hi
[07:28] <Shufla> i cannot access howto with k3b, where is it?
[07:28] <Shufla> i've used search tool from plone and from wiki to find k3b, there's only italian version...
[07:28] <poky> anyone here who speaks german and can help me with centrino wlan?? :-/ sorry for my bad english
[07:29] <treed> poky: that was pretty good english, actually
[07:29] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, did u add the extra repository?
[07:29] <jcoventry> how do i do that
[07:29] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:30] <hearsay> poky:  linux.de
[07:30] <poky> cvxc/join #linux.de
[07:30] <poky> argh sry
[07:30] <sm> hi all.. gnome panel is hanging on startup, anyone know how to reset it to default ?
[07:31] <jcoventry> yes, i have already done that
[07:31] <jcoventry> oh wait,
[07:31] <jcoventry> my mistake, only part of that.
[07:31] <jiyuu0> hehe
[07:33] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, do an apt-get update first
[07:33] <jiyuu0> then only apt-get install <package>
[07:33] <jiyuu0> or use synaptic... easier
[07:34] <jcoventry> ok, am doing.
[07:34] <Maurik> newbie needs sum help: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7818
[07:34] <jcoventry> ok now what, jiyuu0
[07:34] <jiyuu0> which part did u finish?
[07:35] <jcoventry> the apt-get update
[07:35] <jiyuu0> now apt-get install w32codecs
[07:35] <Maurik> is ubuntu ok to install on ntfs?!
[07:36] <jiyuu0> u can't install on it
[07:36] <Maurik> fuck :@
[07:36] <mjr> Maurik, XP would probably not like you installing on your current C partition
[07:36] <jcoventry> E: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[07:37] <jiyuu0> that's weird... let me check whether the site is down
[07:37] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, u did add these into sources.list right?
[07:37] <jiyuu0>  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[07:37] <jiyuu0> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[07:37] <jiyuu0> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[07:37] <jcoventry> let me check
[07:38] <aleswy> hola
[07:38] <jiyuu0> gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:38] <aleswy> ubuntu in spanish?
[07:38] <jcoventry> yes i did!
[07:38] <jcoventry> heh i use sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:38] <jiyuu0> shud be ok
[07:38] <jcoventry> so whats the prob#
[07:38] <jiyuu0> try use synaptic
[07:38] <Rocha> Hello
[07:38] <jcoventry> ok
[07:38] <aleswy> wich server for spanish ubuntu
[07:38] <jcoventry> search for what?
[07:38] <Rocha> How can I watch videos in Totem?
[07:39] <Rocha> MPEG videos
[07:39] <jiyuu0> w32codecs
[07:39] <Treenaks> aleswy: just get the "normal" ubuntu, and choose Spanish language in the installer
[07:39] <Rocha> I already have that package.
[07:39] <jcoventry> Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:39] <jcoventry> i get this error when opening Synaptic...
[07:39] <jiyuu0> ignore
[07:39] <Treenaks> aleswy: next versions will ahve even better localization support/localized versions
[07:39] <jcoventry> k
[07:39] <jiyuu0> that means u haven apt-get update
[07:39] <aleswy> no , chanel in spanish about ubuntu
[07:39] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, once open
[07:40] <jiyuu0> press Reload
[07:40] <Treenaks> aleswy: oh! try #ubuntu-es
[07:40] <jiyuu0> then only search
[07:40] <jcoventry> ok
[07:40] <aleswy> ah ok
[07:40] <aleswy> thank you
[07:40] <jcoventry> it failed to get the ftp.nerim.net ones
[07:40] <jcoventry> but it did the rest
[07:40] <CraHan> holy speedup batman!, that bootup chart seems quite impressive
[07:40] <CraHan> http://www.planetarytramp.net/bootchart/bootchart-20041210-1752.png
[07:40] <CraHan> 35 seconds?
[07:40] <CraHan> impressive
[07:40] <Treenaks> CraHan: you should see daniels's X boot
[07:40] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, no wonder... w32codecs is there
[07:41] <jiyuu0> try ping it
[07:41] <CraHan> Treenaks: what hardware is this?
[07:41] <CraHan> I mean, I have a p3 750MHz laptop
[07:41] <CraHan> just timed my startup until gdm loginscreen and it was 1m34s
[07:41] <CraHan> with hoary and kernel 2.6.9-1
[07:41] <jcoventry> jiyuuO, ?
[07:41] <CraHan> guess I could use some speedup lovin :)
[07:41] <jcoventry> oh yea , lol
[07:42] <jiyuu0> go teminal and ping ftp.nerim.net
[07:42] <Rocha> w32codecs downloads an "essentials..." file
[07:42] <jcoventry> k
[07:42] <jcoventry> PING metroid.nerim.net (62.4.16.80) 56(84) bytes of data.
[07:42] <jcoventry> it pinged it
[07:43] <Rocha> It should install the codecs!
[07:43] <mjr> nerim has had intermittent problems
[07:43] <jiyuu0> ya it shud
[07:43] <Rocha> But I can only listen to the mpg sound, but i can't see the image.
[07:43] <mjr> try again a bit later
[07:43] <jiyuu0> actually who maintains nerim?
[07:43] <jcoventry> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:43] <jcoventry> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:44] <jiyuu0> ether synaptic is open and u try to issue apt-get
[07:44] <jcoventry> i get these errors when doin apt-get install win32codecs
[07:44] <Treenaks> sudo <whateveryoudid>
[07:44] <jiyuu0> close synaptic
[07:44] <jcoventry> ah, of course...
[07:44] <jcoventry> <-- Potn has quit
[07:44] <jcoventry> woops
[07:44] <jcoventry> lol
[07:44] <jcoventry> silly clipboard
[07:45] <jcoventry> E: Couldn't find package win32codecs
[07:45] <RESET> anyone use modem usb adsl?
[07:45] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, is w32codecs
[07:45] <jiyuu0> not win32codecs
[07:45] <Rocha> jcoventry, w32codecs
[07:45] <jcoventry> ok
[07:45] <jcoventry> same error!!!!!
[07:45] <Rocha> You must add the multiverse repository
[07:45] <jcoventry> i did..
[07:46] <jcoventry> we've been through that
[07:46] <jiyuu0> try libdvdcss2
[07:46] <Rocha> Strange
[07:46] <jcoventry> i already have tried libdvdcss2
[07:46] <Rocha> I also can't watch dvd's in totem
[07:46] <jcoventry> E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[07:46] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, when u did sudo apt-get update
[07:46] <jiyuu0> any errors?
[07:46] <jcoventry> yes
[07:47] <jiyuu0> what errors?
[07:47] <jcoventry> Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[07:47] <jcoventry> Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[07:47] <jcoventry> Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[07:47] <Synek> powerpc?
[07:47] <jiyuu0> i was about to say the ame
[07:48] <jcoventry> i am on PPC
[07:48] <Synek> oh :)
[07:48] <jiyuu0> oic
[07:48] <jcoventry> lol.
[07:48] <Synek> hehehe
[07:48] <jcoventry> using an imac,...
[07:48] <jiyuu0> i have no experience in imac
[07:48] <jiyuu0> :(
[07:48] <Synek> neither do i
[07:48] <jcoventry> it shouldn't matter
[07:48] <jcoventry> since the software is the same
[07:49] <jcoventry> (ubuntu  that is)
[07:49] <jiyuu0> but based on ur error
[07:49] <jiyuu0> i think u point to wrong repo
[07:49] <jiyuu0> because it can't find it
[07:49] <jcoventry> where could i find the right one
[07:49] <Synek> hm, maybe there isn't w32.. in ppc repo?
[07:49] <jcoventry> thats a thought
[07:49] <Synek> jcoventry: compile one yourself
[07:50] <mjr> ubuntu is the same, marillat exists only for x86, and you can't use x86 windows codecs on ppc
[07:50] <jcoventry> synek, not sure how.
[07:50] <Rocha> I just did "apt-get install w32codecs" and it downloads a "essential-20040704.tar.bz2" to /tmp
[07:50] <Rocha> What do I do with it?
[07:50] <jcoventry> uncompress it
[07:50] <Synek> Rocha: bunzip2 ess...
[07:50] <Synek> then tar -xvf es...
[07:50] <Rocha> tar xjf
[07:50] <Rocha> j for bzip
[07:50] <Synek> cd es..., .configure, make, make_install
[07:50] <mjr> totem-xine should play most usual stuff by itself, as with the rest, you're out of luck; support free codecs
[07:51] <Rocha> ohh, some dll's1
[07:51] <Rocha> ohh, some dll's!
[07:51] <Rocha> Where do I put them?
[07:51] <jiyuu0> copy em to /usr/lib/win32
[07:51] <Rocha> ok
[07:51] <jcoventry> can xine play quicktime files
[07:51] <jcoventry> i managed to install xine
[07:51] <Synek> I've built mplayer .deb, all needed cocdecs included :)
[07:51] <Rocha> the files are already there
[07:52] <jcoventry> can xine play quicktime files?
[07:52] <jiyuu0> if u have the codecs
[07:52] <Rocha> i think apt-get uncompressed them
[07:52] <jiyuu0> yes
[07:52] <jcoventry> has anyone tried using PearPC on x86 ubuntu yet?
[07:52] <mjr> jcoventry, yes it can, those which use supported codecs
[07:52] <kent> how come the fonts in qt/kde programs is so ugly in Ubuntu warty? how do i change them to something better, without installing all the kde desktop,
[07:53] <Rocha> Since the files are already in /usr/lib/win32, totem should use them right?
[07:53] <jiyuu0> shud
[07:53] <Rocha> I'm using totem with gstreamer, i must use xine instead?
[07:53] <jiyuu0> totem with gstreamer not so good
[07:53] <jiyuu0> use gxine or xine-ui
[07:53] <kent> Rocha, i think totem-gstreamer dont use those codecs. The xine-backend will.
[07:53] <jcoventry> has anyone tried using PearPC on x86 ubuntu yet?
[07:54] <Rocha> How can I switch from gstreamer to xine?
[07:54] <kent> jcoventry, what is PearPC?
[07:54] <Rocha> kent, a pc emulator
[07:54] <jcoventry> PearPC is a PPC emulator
[07:54] <kent> Rocha, install totem-xine with synaptic.
[07:54] <jiyuu0> Rocha, jus aptget
[07:54] <Rocha> kent, a ppc emulator
[07:54] <Rocha> kent, ok
[07:54] <RuffianSoldier> upgrading to hoary was a sinch
[07:55] <Rocha> "to be removed, totem-gstreamer, ubuntu-desktop"
[07:55] <Rocha> is this ok?
[07:55] <jcoventry> is there any sort of stickies program for Ubuntu?
[07:55] <Rocha> jcoventry, yellow notes?
[07:55] <jcoventry> yes
[07:56] <Rocha> right-click on the panel
[07:56] <Rocha> Add the applet "Sticky Notes"
[07:56] <jcoventry> ehh one button mouse here
[07:56] <jcoventry> is there a key shortcut for using the contextual menu that the second mouse button is used for?
[07:56] <kent> Rocha, my gnome desktop looks like nearly as good as osx, so why would i use ppc ;)   (http://leviatan.kicks-ass.org/screen-1.png)
[07:57] <kent> Ohmer, it should have been to jcoventry
[07:57] <Rocha> kent, osx is not about the desktop
[07:57] <__learner__> There was a blackout here.
[07:57] <Rocha> kent, it's the best os ever.
[07:57] <jcoventry> kent that is far from mac os x
[07:57] <Rocha> jcoventry, you have a key for that...
[07:57] <Rocha> jcoventry, the ctrl key i think
[07:58] <kent> haha,   this is the second time today i send a message to the wrong person, and then write "oh, it was to the wrong person"  haha, and then xchat turns the "oh," into "ohmer," haha  :)
[07:58] <Rocha> the one that has a strange symbol in it
[07:58] <jcoventry> thats option, rocha
[07:58] <jcoventry> AKA. alt
[07:58] <jcoventry> but neither work
[07:58] <jcoventry> i'll plug in the two button mouse
[07:58] <Rocha> jcoventry, i don't use imac, that was just a guess :)
[07:59] <__learner__> is there any way to set my 5 buttons mouse to work properly (to make the buttons work)
[07:59] <wezzer> anyone who know internet radio which contains talk about linux?
[07:59] <jcoventry> ok two button mouse plugged in
[08:00] <jcoventry> rocha, thanks
[08:02] <anir> hi
[08:02] <anir> help me
[08:02] <Treenaks> just ask a question and we'll answer :)
[08:03] <Treenaks> and ordering people to help you is not likely to work very well either :)
[08:03] <CraHan> Treenaks: I just ran that bootchart app and it says my boottime is 28 seconds
[08:03] <anir> is there anyone to help me plz
[08:03] <Treenaks> CraHan: leet
[08:03] <scoon> anir
[08:03] <scoon> maybe
[08:03] <scoon> anir, what do you need ?
[08:03] <CraHan> Treenaks: yet when I time how long it takes until I see the gdm greeter i get 1m34 seconds
[08:03] <CraHan> Treenaks: do I need to interpret these things in a certain way?
[08:03] <Treenaks> CraHan: dunno, ask the developers
[08:03] <CraHan> hehe ok :)
[08:04] <Treenaks> I think that it takes a while from the end of boot to usable gdm
[08:05] <Rocha> Bye ppl
[08:05] <RubenV> anyone seen those slides with the dbus init system?
[08:05] <RubenV> if i could just remember where i saw em :)
[08:07] <Treenaks> RubenV: on the wiki!
[08:07] <__learner__> who is the guy who asked me about SDL and C++?
[08:07] <__learner__> yesterday.
[08:07] <anir> hi alessio
[08:07] <anir> hello
[08:07] <anir> i am asking for help guys
[08:08] <anir> r u listening???
[08:08] <RubenV> Treenaks: nope, it was on planet gnome i think
[08:08] <anir> heck
[08:08] <anir> is thr anyone ??
[08:08] <RubenV> could be
[08:08] <RubenV> anyway, it looked bloody cool
[08:08] <anir> i dont know how the heck it works
[08:08] <craig_> Ask away anir
[08:08] <anir> i am asking for help u guys
[08:08] <Treenaks> anir: We are here. Just ask your question.
[08:08] <RubenV> and a nice way to ditch those init scripts
[08:08] <anir> hey dudes
[08:08] <anir> plz help me
[08:08] <anir> i have installed ubuntu..
[08:08] <thomasvs> daniels: ping ?
[08:08] <anir> now i dont know what to do
[08:08] <paulproteus> anir: Okay.  What's up?
[08:08] <Treenaks> anir: have you logged in?
[08:08] <anir> i am okay
[08:08] <epotash> so i have a laptop with no floppy drive that im just starting to try to install ubuntu on following http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto/view?searchterm=network%20install
[08:09] <Treenaks> anir: (typed your name and password)
[08:09] <epotash> has anyone done this, those instructions are not very detailed
[08:09] <anir> i am really new to linux
[08:09] <anir> anir
[08:09] <anir> wildford
[08:09] <mjt> what's the problem with network install, epotash ?
[08:09] <RubenV> Treenaks:  http://people.redhat.com/johnp/dynamic-linux-slides/
[08:10] <anir> can u help me guys??
[08:10] <jiyuu0> anir, what u want to do?
[08:10] <epotash> ubuntu doesnt have its own net install
[08:10] <Treenaks> anir: no! don't type your password here!
[08:10] <epotash> it seems you have to use debian first
[08:10] <jiyuu0> cool
[08:10] <jiyuu0> i was wondering what's that
[08:10] <anir> i have installed ubuntu and i dont know how it works..
[08:11] <wezzer> anir: what do you want to do with ubuntu?
[08:11] <anir> i am looking for a help ..what all i have to install here??
[08:11] <wezzer> play music? send email?
[08:11] <jiyuu0> anir, go read http://ubuntuguide.org
[08:11] <jiyuu0> and play around
[08:11] <anir> cool
[08:12] <anir> i want to switch from windows to linux...so i have to start from somewhere
[08:12] <Treenaks> anir: the ubuntuguide is nice
[08:12] <mjt> btw, anyone know whenever bash-2.05 supports utf8, or is it only in bash-3?
[08:12] <jiyuu0> anir, u won't everything overnight
[08:12] <jiyuu0> just have u play around often
[08:12] <Treenaks> anir: and just playing around will help you get accustomed to the system a it
[08:13] <Treenaks> anir: a bit
[08:13] <Treenaks> anir: click on the menus, look at the programs, things like that
[08:13] <anir> yea cool
[08:13] <anir> i will do it
[08:13] <anir> i am really finding it great
[08:14] <anir> thankx guys
[08:14] <anir> hey u guys are using linux for a long time right???
[08:14] <jiyuu0> i think i shud add a windows alternative program list in ubuntu
[08:14] <veran> should be link to brightside so you can get edge flipping w/ gnome+metacity
[08:14] <Treenaks> anir: you might want to stay here or subscribe to one of the (local language, if your native language is not English) user mailing list
[08:14] <Treenaks> anir: on http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[08:14] <anir> cool
[08:16] <anir> whats so special about linux??
[08:16] <Treenaks> anir: there are a lot of "special" things
[08:16] <jiyuu0> i suggest give google a try... i think u'll get tons of answer
[08:16] <anir> i want to know
[08:16] <Treenaks> anir: why did you try it in the first place? :)
[08:17] <rapha> Hi all!
[08:17] <anir> coz i wanted to shift from windows to linux
[08:17] <Treenaks> anir: it tends to be more stable, it's surrounded by gread support and development communities
[08:17] <anir> yea its stable..thats why i have shifted
[08:17] <Treenaks> anir: if you want to change something, you can (or if you can't program, you can hire someone to do change the program for you)
[08:17] <Treenaks> anir: stuff like that
[08:18] <anir> cool
[08:18] <veran> you can actually FIX things in linux unlike in windows where #1 fix is to re-install the OS
[08:18] <jiyuu0> anir, check this out too http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
[08:18] <anir> i have tried a demo version of long horn too...
[08:18] <anir> its great
[08:18] <rapha> Speaking of programming, since gnome_icon_theme_* is deprecated, what is used nowadays Treenaks?
[08:18] <sabdf1> anir: it's a more powerful environment, but that comes with some challenges
[08:19] <Treenaks> rapha: I have no idea, I'm not a gnome coder :)
[08:19] <rapha> Oh okay
[08:19] <rapha> Somebody else?
[08:19] <anir> yea i guess it is helpful if u have knowledge of unix
[08:19] <sabdf1> anir: you can customise it, tweak it, fix it, rearrange it, but you need to spend quite some time getting up to speed
[08:19] <Treenaks> rapha: I'm a recovering perl coder (being happy with python :))
[08:19] <rapha> anir: Less and less so
[08:19] <rapha> Treenaks: UGH! PERL!
[08:19] <rapha> :)
[08:20] <Treenaks> rapha: that's why I'm switching to python :)
[08:20] <sabdf1> anir: but more recently it's beginning to become more user friendly, which is what this channel is all about :-)
[08:20] <rapha> But I'll try Python at some point
[08:20] <Treenaks> sabdf1: isn't that one of the things Launchpad will address?
[08:20] <anir> guys.. i have installed ubuntu... now what i have to do..
[08:20] <rapha> anir: That depends on what you WANT to do
[08:20] <anir> they say i have to install some software from the net..where do i go?
[08:20] <__learner__> download
[08:20] <sabdf1> Treenaks: the Launchpad is more developer and community oriented than end-user oriented
[08:20] <jiyuu0> anir, r u using it to chat in this channel
[08:21] <anir> not atall
[08:21] <Treenaks> anir: read the guide jiyuu0 sent you (http://www.ubuntuguide.org/)
[08:21] <sabdf1> hopefully the desktop itself is quite end-user oriented :-)
[08:21] <__learner__> download and instal things via apt/synaptic! Thats really cool!
[08:21] <__learner__> I just love ubuntu
[08:21] <jiyuu0> anir, then u shud...
[08:21] <jiyuu0> first try go online wif it
[08:21] <sabdf1> anir: which software do you need to install?
[08:21] <rapha> So you're telling me there's no GNOME dudes in here?
[08:21] <veran> ubuntu on my laptop/desktop and regular debian on my servers, its sweet
[08:22] <Treenaks> sabdf1: well.. as being an end-user is the first step in becoming a community member/developer :)
[08:22] <sabdf1> too true
[08:22] <anir> i have least knowledge about linux software.. i have been using windows for 7 years..thats why i am here to get help from u guys
[08:22] <sabdf1> the launchpad certainly makes it easier for new users to make a great community contribution
[08:22] <jiyuu0> anir, 1st go to ubuntu and use it go connect to this channel
[08:22] <__learner__> my system has an extra CD drive showing in the system. It does nothing at al. How can I remove it?
[08:22] <Treenaks> anir: the best thing you can do is tell us the program you used to use in windows
[08:23] <Treenaks> anir: we can suggest alternatives
[08:23] <sabdf1> anir: have you tried out the basic software that comes with a standard ubuntu install?
[08:23] <__learner__> showing in the DRIVES section
[08:23] <mtl> I have installed Ubuntu 4.10 and Windows XP Home, now my computer boots to windows, how can I select which operating system to boot ?
[08:23] <mjt> wow that's good question mtl ;)
[08:23] <anir> i have only openoffice
[08:23] <sabdf1> mtl: do you see the grub screen at all during boot?
[08:23] <anir> thats it
[08:23] <mtl> sabdf1: no
[08:24] <mtl> and if i install grub, it doesn't boot windows
[08:24] <mtl> just linux
[08:24] <sabdf1> mtl: do you have the live cd handy?
[08:24] <mjt> where grub gets installed -- in mbr or in the linux partition?
[08:24] <sabdf1> mjt: usually mbr
[08:24] <mtl> sabdf1: what's that?
[08:24] <anir> and while i open openoffice..it really slows down my system..
[08:24] <mjt> i usually install grub/lilo in linux partition, and if win* screws it up, it's just a matter of firing fdisk and changing active partition
[08:24] <sabdf1> mtl: it's a cd you can boot off, brings up a (slow) ubuntu environment, that you can use to analyse your disks and partitions
[08:25] <mtl> ok..
[08:25] <sabdf1> like knoppix, gnoppix...
[08:25] <epotash> i am in the debian install and i want to install ubuntu over network
[08:25] <anir> am i asking some kind of stupid questions guys??
[08:25] <epotash> at what point do i need to do the debootstrap scripts
[08:25] <sabdf1> anir: not at all
[08:26] <anir> thankx
[08:26] <mtl> hmm.
[08:26] <epotash> i just did the partitioning
[08:26] <sabdf1> openoffice takes some time to get started
[08:26] <mtl> I think easiest way is to make a bootdiskette
[08:26] <will> mtl: you need to install GRUB into your MBR and configure it for Ubuntu and WINXP /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:26] <epotash> do i do "execute a shell"
[08:26] <sabdf1> i think that's a major focus for their current development
[08:26] <anir> and hey its not plzying my audio cds why?
[08:26] <mtl> will: i tried it and windows didn't boot.
[08:27] <sabdf1> mtl: did you recover the win boot with fdisk /mbr?
[08:27] <will> mtl: have you got more than one bootable 'flagged' partition/drive?
[08:27] <anir> why its not plzying the cds that played perfectly well in windows??
[08:28] <mtl> sabdf1: isn't it FIXMBR in the recovery console?
[08:28] <epotash> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto/view?searchterm=network%20install
[08:28] <mtl> will: yes, linux and win partitions.
[08:28] <epotash> how do i "Use debootstrap from Ubuntu to put Ubuntu there instead"
[08:28] <sabdf1> mtl: could be, it's been a while since I had a windows partition :-)
[08:28] <anir> is winamp works in linux?
[08:28] <epotash> anyone know?
[08:28] <sabdf1> anir: there are equivalents
[08:28] <iz> anir install xmms
[08:28] <anir> xmss..okay
[08:29] <sabdf1> xmms
[08:29] <iz> or beep media player
[08:29] <Synek> xmms :)
[08:30] <Garathor> When we are talking about audioplayers, is there anyone that supports the MusePack format? And also gapless playback (for all formats that supports it, also lame-encoded mp3s).
[08:31] <mjt> i think ther's musepack plugin for xmms
[08:31] <anir> xmss works with ubuntu??
[08:31] <iz> Garathor, http://www.usinglinux.org/audio/xmms-musepack.html
[08:31] <asubedi> anyone using evolution+imap here?
[08:31] <mjt> as of gapless.. xmms is having.. "issues" with gapless
[08:31] <Garathor> Yes, you are right, I think i have seen it earlier, must have forgotten. But gapless playback is the most important part, what abour it?
[08:32] <Garathor> XMMS does not play my MP3s gapless at least.
[08:32] <anir> what ur idea guys..which linux is better???
[08:32] <Synek> anir: holy war
[08:33] <mjt> there's a setting somewhere in its config, but even if gapless is turned on, it's still producing some "clicks" between plays
[08:33] <anir> lol
[08:33] <Synek> anir: depends on what you need :)
[08:33] <anir> how bout gentoo?
[08:33] <Synek> Hm
[08:33] <jiyuu0> good for learning
[08:33] <Synek> i disagree
[08:33] <Synek> :)
[08:33] <jiyuu0> if u r patient
[08:33] <anir> i need a very user friendly os..which one is that?
[08:33] <Synek> ubuntu :)
[08:33] <mjt> win? ;)
[08:34] <iz> anir, ask yourself what you want of a os
[08:34] <anir> linux os i am talking bout
[08:34] <Garathor> Oh, that can't be what i want, i want true gapless, excactly on the right sample.
[08:34] <anir> it should be very stable, have a nice user interface.. great graphics..
[08:35] <Synek> anir: you want server? desktop? for games? watching tv/movie?
[08:35] <iz> anir ubuntu
[08:35] <anir> yes
[08:35] <Synek> :)
[08:35] <anir> i want desktop
[08:35] <iz> i play doom3 on a ubuntu desktop
[08:35] <jiyuu0> i play warcraft
[08:35] <Garathor> I wish someone would port foobar2000 to linux.
[08:36] <anir> actually i want to install it on my laptop for business purposses..so i want to get use to it
[08:36] <Treenaks> anir: well, try using openoffice for a bit.. the ultimate office application :)
[08:36] <mjt> i think almost any major linux distribution will do, anir.
[08:36] <anir> i guess ubuntu is the best
[08:37] <mjt> the software is all the same, almost.
[08:37] <paulproteu1> By the way, does anyone have an Ubuntu desktop that looks less boring than the stock GNOME setup?
[08:37] <anir> better
[08:37] <paulproteu1> If so, how did you manage this?
[08:37] <paulproteu1> Also, are there Qt themes available for Ubuntu?
[08:37] <iz> Garathor, maybe this is something for you: http://fondriest.frederic.free.fr/realisations/lamip/
[08:38] <iz> paulproteul install xfce4
[08:38] <rapha> paulproteu1: art.gnome.org, themes.org, themedepot.org, then you can add fonts, change your background picture and whatnot. After lots of playing around I'm back to the default desktop.
[08:38] <anir> i have installed ...but i dont know where the heck they have installed
[08:38] <paulproteu1> Will that retain all the automounting stuff?
[08:38] <paulproteu1> rapha: Right, that's the thing.
[08:38] <rapha> iz: What does XFCE have to do with interesting looks?
[08:39] <paulproteu1> I want someone to recommend me something that's just *better* than this before I start experimenting.  I'm shooting in the dark while experimenting, and I'm trying to recommend Ubuntu to people who just complain it looks ugly.
[08:39] <rapha> paulproteu1: Also be careful with XFCE; changing to that will certainly make some of the Ubuntu functionality unavailable.
[08:39] <iz> rapha nothing but he dont like gnone
[08:39] <anir> it would be great..if u click the site ubuntulinux.com and it scans ur os and provides the necessary updates for the os..is it possible??
[08:39] <mjt> anir: yes
[08:39] <anir> how??
[08:39] <rapha> paulproteu1: Well, then maybe find a set of Aqua themes that could suit your friends. That's what my girl friend uses.
[08:40] <rapha> iz: He just doesn't like the default look.
[08:40] <Treenaks> anir: people are working on a program that runs in the background, and pops up an icon when there are updates
[08:40] <mjt> apt-get / synaptic? ;)
[08:40] <iz> anir there's apt-watch for
[08:40] <Treenaks> anir: for the next version of ubuntu
[08:40] <Garathor> Yes, i read about lamip on hydrogenaudio. Think i'll have to try it :)
[08:40] <anir> it will come somewhere around april/may??
[08:40] <rapha> April.
[08:40] <paulproteu1> I do like GNOME (well, I like KDE more, but GNOME seems more consistently-put-together).
[08:40] <iz> rapha, argh mis understandment
[08:40] <rapha> nm :)
[08:40] <anir> what is GNOME?
[08:41] <rapha> anir: GNOME is the technology underlying Ubuntu's desktop.
[08:41] <iz> paulproteul i use it with gdesklets
[08:41] <rapha> It originally stood for "GNU Network Object Model Environment" or something.
[08:41] <anir> hey guys.. my desktop is totally blank.. how will i bring the icons to the desktop?
[08:41] <Treenaks> anir: they're in your "computer" menu
[08:42] <rapha> anir: Try right-clicking your desktop, and select "New Folder"
[08:42] <veran> desktop icons are evul
[08:42] <rapha> anir: Or just drag-and-drop something from the Application menu to the desktop
[08:42] <Synek> veran ;)
[08:42] <anir> okay..
[08:42] <rapha> veran: That's preference, to a degree. I myself have set my desktop to be my homefolder because it lets me work the most efficient.
[08:42] <anir> so  what is equvalent for "My Computer" in windows?
[08:43] <mjt> even winxp now tends to avoid icons on the desktop, btw... ;)
[08:43] <rapha> amir: Look for "Computer" right next to "Applications" in the top-left corner of your screen.
[08:44] <bogon> where do I find a package list of warty?
[08:44] <anir> yes.. they are but sometimes they are useful too
[08:44] <anir> for the keyboard shortcut
[08:44] <paulproteu1> bogon: In Synaptic you should be able to see it.
[08:44] <anir> hey guys.. bye for now..
[08:44] <anir> i will come tomorrow
[08:44] <anir> thankx a lot again
[08:44] <anir> :)
[08:45] <anir> thank you all
[08:45] <mjt> yw, anir
[08:45] <iz> bogon, or use the apt-cache search
[08:45] <bogon> I mean before installing or even downloading the iso :->
[08:45] <iz> there is a list
[08:46] <mjt> take a look at debian, bogon -- there's a (super)list of packages there
[08:48] <bogon> hmm, I'm looking for a list of all the packages that are on the ubuntu cd
[08:48] <mjt> ;)
[08:48] <jiyuu0> bogon, try http://ubuntuguide.org/#findprogramslibrarieslistubuntu
[08:48] <bogon> thanks
[08:49] <jiyuu0> no prob
[08:49] <choisy> hi there
[08:50] <choisy> how is hoary going stability wise these days?
[08:50] <RubenV> always been stable here
[08:51] <iz> i read a nice article about warty to hoary http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9098
[08:52] <thully> hi - anyone have an intel-8x0 based sound chip and use hoary here?
[08:52] <bogon> no tin, no slrn... does warty have any text-based newsreader?
[08:54] <iz> bogon, trn4 - Threaded USENET news reader
[08:54] <jiyuu0> bogon, u can apt-get it
[08:55] <bogon> using the default repository?
[08:55] <jiyuu0> ya
[08:55] <rapha> thully
[08:55] <tim1> anybody got xorg and fglrx running ?
[08:55] <rapha> thully: I'm using one right now
[08:56] <thully> have you had issues with the sound server?  I'm been having problems since a few weeks ago-but these didn't occur in warty
[08:59] <thully> in particular, i've been having problems w/apps which don't use the sound server - I get no audio from them
[08:59] <rapha> thully: Yeah I had that after an upgrade a couple of days ago. Now its just disabled...
[09:01] <thully> did they change the sound server?
[09:01] <thully> I got into a big discussion of this - but it sounds like they won't do anything since the only apps affected are not Ubuntu main apps - is this your experience
[09:02] <bpd1069> goodday all...
[09:02] <iz> bpd1069, aloha
[09:03] <bogon> hello
[09:03] <bpd1069> trying to get my wachy networking configuration to incorporate my playstation2... but i think i messed up my eth0 interface...
[09:04] <bpd1069> anyone know how to remove the IFF_POINTOPOINT flag on an interface?
[09:05] <bpd1069> i have all of these eth0:0:1 and eth0:1 links  :(
[09:05] <choisy> ubuntu definitly rocks on ppc :)
[09:06] <mjt> ifconfig ... -pointopoint ?
[09:07] <rapha> thully: no idea
[09:07] <__learner__> ubuntu rocks on x86 to
[09:07] <choisy> then, we could say ubuntu rocks
[09:07] <bpd1069> mjt: will try...
[09:07] <__learner__> I have to go for some momentsa, Need to do someything in windows. Blah! Dear god, make macromedia and photoshop tools to run under linux! That's my christmas wish.
[09:07] <mjt> bpd1069: but i think you're doing something strange...
[09:08] <__learner__> good bye
[09:08] <bpd1069> didn't work...
[09:08] <mjt> the -pointopoint flag is an answerto your exact queestion.  but after that, your iface will probably be unusable.
[09:09] <bpd1069> mjt :  yes I am!  shows wat happens when you tr to learn iptables at 5am
[09:09] <mjt> iptables has NOTHING to do with interface flags
[09:10] <goatboy> daniels: does your latest blog mean you've gotten Xorg's startup down to 26 opens?
[09:10] <mjt> the best way imho is just to do ifup --force
[09:10] <bpd1069> i am trying to route all ps2 trafic to my nic.. then forward over wlan0 to my wireless router...   (no physical connection to the internet)
[09:10] <mike998> is there any way to create virtual channels for my sound card so that I can play doom and listen to mp3s at the same time?
[09:10] <mike998> I know it can be done if I was running FreeBSD using sysctl
[09:10] <mjt> and how's iptables involved here, again ? ;)
[09:11] <daniels> goatboy: seconds
[09:11] <mjt> mike998: try esound
[09:11] <bpd1069> well trying to institute a simple NAT for the PS2
[09:11] <goatboy> oh, still amazing.
[09:11] <daniels> goatboy: 26sec for total startup, not xorg, obviously
[09:11] <mike998> mjt: man esound will give me?
[09:11] <bpd1069> mjt: and in the process messed up my eth0
[09:12] <|QuaD-> daniels: 26 seconds???? how did you manage that
[09:12] <bpd1069> mjt: keep in mind I am learning all of this stuff, so I expect to break things.. just frustrating whn I can't put them back
[09:12] <daniels> |QuaD-: that was thom working on readahead and sanitising some daemons, with me working heavily on x and gdm
[09:12] <daniels> |QuaD-: and scott working on cupsys, iirc
[09:12] <mjt> mike998: there's no "channels" like in freebsd, but there's userspace software that does that, acting as intermediate between apps and soundcard
[09:13] <daniels> |QuaD-: (it was actually 29 seconds, and there's still scott's parallel hotplug/udev stuff to put in)
[09:13] <|QuaD-> daniels: are you going to put that through to hoary? or is that just a pet project
[09:13] <mike998> mjt - will try google... thx
[09:13] <daniels> |QuaD-: absolutely -- everything we do is hoary
[09:13] <|QuaD-> so my system will boot in 29 seconds?
[09:13] <mjt> mike998: esound is one of them, there are others. all are available in debian (and thus ubunto)
[09:14] <mjt> bpd1069: i think the best for you is to "refresh" your interfaces (ifup --force or whatever; maybe fix your /etc/network/interfaces)
[09:14] <Synek> hm, my sarge used to boot < 30 sec
[09:15] <bpd1069> thanks...
[09:15] <Synek> actually i've bin ssh'ing on aterm by that time :)
[09:15] <Synek> s/bin/been/ ;)
[09:16] <mjt> bpd1069: note iptables really has nothing to do with interface flags.. diotto for routing
[09:16] <Q-FUNK> it has to be said that the default boot order of certain packages like ssh sucks in Debian already.
[09:16] <mjt> why ssh order sucks?
[09:17] <mjt> note there's no single answer. for one, it should run earlier, for other, it should be later...
[09:17] <Q-FUNK> started too late in the boot order.  It used to be started much ealier, which made it easy to use it to rescue hosts from disastrous loppholes by remote, well before the fautive app starts.
[09:18] <Quest-Master> Anyone know why this is happening? :\ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7805
[09:19] <mjt> well.. here, ssh uses default level 20. it may be a good idea to move it to, say, 19, after 15bind and 18quotarpc.
[09:20] <_scp> I am having problems with a cdburner not ejecting and locking up my entire system 5 minutes after I hit the eject button on the unit... any ideas?
[09:21] <Q-FUNK> S19 seems like a good spot, yes.  right after portmap and way before cups, samba and every other service.
[09:21] <_scp> it happens only after the machine has been up for about 24hrs
[09:21] <mjt> Q-FUNK: and you can' really fix an app which is started right after ssh, anyway (think about 30sec startup time... ;)
[09:22] <_scp> there isn't a disc in the drive, yet it says { Busy } and locks the machine
[09:22] <Q-FUNK> mjt: I've done it, back on Potato.
[09:23] <_scp> I have posted to the forums but no one has responded after 2 days
[09:24] <_scp> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7587
[09:24] <Q-FUNK> remote command using an RSA key to immediately issue  "dpkg -P foobar" as soon as I see that ssh is up (I use a centralized logger).
[09:24] <mjt> heh
[09:25] <Q-FUNK> back in potato days, when ssh was among the first few services started in rc2, it worked.
[09:26] <craig> Hey guys, I gotta question.. Can the Terminal Server Client in Ubuntu connect to a Windows XP machine
[09:26] <Q-FUNK> nowadays, with thta default s20, the buggy service has enough time to be up and crashing before the ssh server is.
[09:26] <paulproteus> craig: Windows XP Pro has a remote desktop server that this can connect to.
[09:26] <daniels> Q-FUNK: that is so not a valid use case
[09:27] <Q-FUNK> daniels: and what would be a valid case to justify moving it later, then?
[09:27] <craig> yes.. I have the IP of the computer I want to connect to.. Is there anything else I need? Do I need to tell XP user anything to let this work?
[09:27] <IRCMonkey> hello i cannot get audio with ubuntucan anybody help me?
[09:28] <craig> have you checked your mixer settings IRCMonkey?
[09:29] <IRCMonkey> i think it doesn't recognize the audio card
[09:29] <craig> hmm.. Do you know what Sound Card you have?
[09:30] <IRCMonkey> sound max , i got an hp laptop
[09:30] <va23> Does anyone know an easy way to get the eMusic download manager on ubuntu?  Is there a package I can apt-get?
[09:31] <craig> Ahh, darn.. I can't help ya there, I haven't had much experience with using ubuntu on laptops.. altho I could tell you the answer by next week.. altho, that's a lil' too late, methinks
[09:31] <IRCMonkey> that would be great my email is grabbies200@yahoo.com
[09:31] <scumler> hi, does anybody know how to put to work an isa-pnp aztech1008 soundcard with an azt2320 chipset?
[09:32] <craig> ok, in the meantime, you could try googling www.google.co.uk/linux with "Ubuntu" Soundcard "HP" "Soundmax"
[09:32] <scumler> it seems alsa doesn't have that driver in its ubuntu's release
[09:32] <IRCMonkey> thanks  i will look around the web
[09:33] <craig> scumler.. you could try using one from another distro
[09:33] <craig> say, fedora
[09:33] <scumler> with ubuntu?
[09:33] <scumler> an rpm package? how?
[09:34] <craig> I'm not sure whether it'd be in an rpm.. if it is you'd have to use hex to install it otherwise the package won't be visible to dpkg
[09:34] <scaramanga> hello
[09:34] <craig> Ok, maybe not hex..
[09:34] <craig> I'll just look for the prog name
[09:35] <scumler> craig: I'll take a look at that approach, but I'm very lost in that things...:(
[09:35] <scaramanga> does anybody know if ubuntu recognizes wlan-usb-sticks? oO
[09:36] <scumler> craig: it seems that ubuntu has an rpm package installed!
[09:36] <scumler> i'll play a bit with it...thanks for the answer
[09:36] <craig> it does.. I found librpm installed too
[09:36] <craig> ok, no problem, sorry I couldn't help you more..
[09:37] <craig> scaramanga: er, I don't think so. but there's no harm in trying.. plug it in, see what happens
[09:39] <craig> paulproteus: I have the IP of the computer I want to connect to.. Is there anything else I need? Do I need to tell the XP user anything to let this work?
[09:40] <scaramanga> kk thx
[09:42] <IRCMonkey> hello again, i did an apt-get upgrade and now when i try to be root it doesn't recognize my password, any ideas?
[09:46] <scaramanga> sorry i'm a nub.. ^^ i don't get the "networking", "users" and "printing" modules in the "system configuration" submenu. any idea why? oO
[09:48] <epotash> how can i enter a url for a package with the "install" command
[09:51] <scumler> epotash: are you talking about the apt-get install "package"?
[09:51] <epotash> well, what im tryingt to do is get http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.2.45ubuntu10_i386.deb
[09:51] <epotash> i just did a min install of debian
[09:51] <epotash> and now i want to get ubuntu
[09:51] <scumler> well
[09:51] <scumler> just use synaptic
[09:51] <epotash> how can i just copy that package to my local dir
[09:51] <scumler> or aptitude
[09:52] <scumler> yes, you can
[09:52] <scumler> but there are smarter ways
[09:52] <scumler> that can save you laterer headaches
[09:52] <epotash> isnt synaptic a graphical app
[09:52] <epotash> i did a very minimal install
[09:52] <scumler> yes it is
[09:52] <scumler> well
[09:52] <scumler> try aptitude
[09:52] <scumler> or apt-get
[09:52] <scumler> they are console tools
[09:52] <epotash> yeah
[09:52] <epotash> i know apt-get
[09:52] <epotash> do i have to add a source
[09:53] <epotash> or can i just enter the entire dir
[09:53] <epotash> path*
[09:53] <defunkt> all right...another problem to solve for defunkt if anyone is up to it :)
[09:53] <scumler> first do "apt-cache search -thepackage you ar looking for-"
[09:53] <scumler> to see if the package is in the sources you already have
[09:53] <epotash> why would that ubuntu package be there
[09:53] <choisy> my system is in french (i mean, even cli apps), how can I get english back?
[09:54] <scumler> ....where "there"?
[09:54] <epotash> in my apt sources
[09:54] <epotash> this is a debian system
[09:54] <scumler> aps
[09:54] <scumler> did you say it before?
[09:54] <scumler> I didn't notice it...
[09:54] <epotash> yah
[09:54] <scumler> sorry then
[09:54] <scumler> well
[09:54] <scumler> just a second
[09:54] <epotash> im following the instructions to upgrade deb to ubuntu
[09:55] <epotash> or trying to
[09:55] <scaramanga> i don't get the "networking", "users" and "printing" modules in the "system configuration" submenu. any idea why? oO
[09:55] <scumler> is it supposed to work?
[09:55] <epotash> well, the instructions arent very specific
[09:56] <rjjrjl> Have installed Ubuntu twice and both times Music Player just won't work. XMMS plays fine but no song titles(shoutcast) Any thoughts?
[09:56] <scumler> ok..ok, if you want I can list my sources.list
[09:56] <billytwowilly> well, I took the plunge and updated my kernel.. now sound doesn't work.
[09:56] <Davide> hello ubuntu won't let me be root user, he doesn't recognize my passwd
[09:56] <billytwowilly> Davide, you have to set the root password with the user manager
[09:56] <tomchuk> Davide: Ubuntu doesn't use root, use sudo instead
[09:56] <billytwowilly> Davide, or do what tomchuk said
[09:57] <epotash> scumler: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromOtherDistroHowto
[09:57] <epotash> interesting that it only gives instructions for an rpm dist
[09:57] <tomchuk> Davide: or do "sudo passwd root" to set the root password
[09:57] <epotash> how can i just download the .deb file to my home dir in the shell
[09:57] <epotash> anyone know how to copy a file from url to local
[09:57] <tomchuk> epotash: wget <url>
[09:57] <epotash> cool
[09:58] <tomchuk> then dpkg -i <package>.deb
[09:58] <scaramanga> i don't get the "networking", "users" and "printing" modules in the "system configuration" submenu. any idea why?
[09:58] <choisy> I miss epiphany ;)
[09:58] <epotash> thanks tomchuck, works
[09:58] <tomchuk> np
[09:58] <billytwowilly> any ideas why my sound no longer works?
[09:58] <ajmitch_> morning
[09:58] <scumler> epotash: if you want to keep a good track of what packages are installed and their dependencies, do not use dpkg. Use aptitude instead
[09:58] <tomchuk> billytwowilly: custom compiled kernel/
[09:58] <tomchuk> ?
[09:59] <Davide> i try to go to user manager but it won't recognize my passwd either
[09:59] <billytwowilly> Tomcat_, hoary with the new 2.6.9 kernel
[09:59] <defunkt> anyone in here have quake3 on their ubuntu machien?
[09:59] <|QuaD-> billytwowilly: when i installed 2.6.9, x wouldn't work cuz nvidia drivers not compiled for it
[10:00] <billytwowilly> X works fine.. mplayer doesn't even error out, which is weird. Basically that means it thinks it is talking to esd...
[10:01] <scaramanga> pleeaaaase tell me !  the "networking", "users" and "printing" modules in the "system configuration" submenu aren't there in my hard drive installation while they are in the live cd. why?
[10:01] <tomchuk> scaramanga: are you logged in as the first user you created during installation?
[10:01] <epotash> is warty the latest ubuntu?
[10:01] <TGCenter10> I am new to IRC -- I was wondering if anyone could help?  I just attempted to install ubuntu linux on my system 2x and it failed.  Both times when I reached the screen resolution choice screen -- my keyboard lost function.  I am lost?
[10:02] <va23> Does anyone know an easy way to get the eMusic download manager on ubuntu?  Is there a package I can apt-get?
[10:02] <billytwowilly> hmm. alsamixer shows PCM as being off. How do I turn it on?
[10:02] <choisy> I can(t seem to play simple mpg files with totem... is there any codecs I need to install ??
[10:02] <tomchuk> va23: download the rpm and use alien to install it
[10:04] <tomchuk> billytwowilly: use up/down to adjust volume and 'm' to mute/unmute
[10:04] <Davide> can i change the root passwd with a sudo command??
[10:04] <tomchuk> Davide: sudo passwd root
[10:05] <epotash> after i installed the ubuntu debootstrap scripts, i tried running them and it says that it failed to get the release file
[10:05] <billytwowilly> tomchuk, Thanks, Figured it out. space turned it back on.
[10:05] <billytwowilly> anyhoo, gotta get back to work.
[10:05] <billytwowilly> Thanks for the help guys
[10:05] <billytwowilly> cheers
[10:05] <epotash> the url i entered is "http://archive.ubuntu.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu
[10:06] <va23> tomchuk: Thanks, should I do alien --install <rpm_file_name>
[10:06] <Davide> thanks now it recognize my password again, for some reason it recognized the passwrd only calling applications with sudo and not wit ghui.
[10:06] <peza> hi all :o) little question: anybody got any idea why when i try installing ubuntu it keeps bailing out saying that it cannot find the kernel-image-386 but there is such a package on the cd? The discs work fine in another machine, but i fail to see how the hardware of this machine will cause this type of error. Is it a known issue? (hardware is a cheap dell2400 btw)
[10:08] <tomchuk> va23: no, just "alien filename" and it will create a deb which you can install with dpkg -i
[10:08] <choisy> there is no other video player than totem in ubuntu?
[10:08] <va23> Oh, I already did alien -i, it seems to have worked fine.
[10:09] <tomchuk> va23: cool, no problem then
[10:09] <Nivlem> choisy: Install xine maybe? Or mplayer...
[10:09] <choisy> Nivlem: just apt-get them?
[10:10] <will> peza: could be that that dell can't read the right sectors of the cd, try re burning, or use a prepressed cd
[10:10] <strixy> as per the FAQ, "(the postfix install only listens on localhost)" - can anyone explain why this is?
[10:10] <Nivlem> choisy: If you have universe/multiverse in your repositories
[10:11] <va23> Still have to install ncsd, tho.
[10:11] <tomchuk> strixy: the postfix smtp server doesn't listen for connections on you network interfaces
[10:11] <Mesta> does dist-upgrade 'ing to hoary take more than one try?  I did this last night and this mourning dist-upgrade says there more to dist-upgrade to
[10:11] <va23> *nscd
[10:12] <tomchuk> Mesta: hoary is a moving target, there will be new packages every day
[10:12] <Nivlem> Mesta:In my experience trying to update a second time will bork your upgrade!
[10:12] <TGCenter10> Sorry as I stated I am new to IRC - and like an idiot, kicked myself off, so here is my post again -- I am new to IRC -- I was wondering if anyone could help?  I just attempted to install ubuntu linux on my system 2x and it failed.  Both times when I reached the screen resolution choice screen -- my keyboard lost function.  I am lost?
[10:12] <falco> t
[10:12] <falco> hi
[10:12] <bur[n] er> hoary killed my /proc/net
[10:12] <bur[n] er> i have no net access :\
[10:12] <peza> will: thanks, yeah i have tried a few different types of cd media some recordable some of the pre pressed variety, its still the same. I can alt+f3 (or 2 i forget), to the console and cd into the directory with the missing kernel .debs i can then manually install them, but i cant seem to get the auto installer to do it for some reason...?
[10:12] <scaramanga> when i'm trying to log in as root, i type in root and the root password but nothing happens.
[10:12] <bur[n] er> oh well, maybe just wait till next release
[10:12] <strixy> tomchuk: I am wondering why it's set this way? If I am running postfix (I would assume) that I would want it to listen to network for either LAN or WAN mail delivery.
[10:13] <Nivlem> scaramanga: That is because it uses sudo to do root things...
[10:13] <netmonk> I just updated acpi through smart upgrade in synaptic. where can I read what are the changes?
[10:13] <Nivlem> scaramanga:If you must "su" then do sudo su
[10:13] <tomchuk> strixy: 99.9% of people don't want this, they just need local mail delivery from cron scripts and spt
[10:13] <peza> TGCenter10: What type of graphics card have you got?
[10:13] <strixy> more to the point, this is what I wish to do, and I'm wondering which file I need to edit to change this.
[10:14] <tomchuk> strixy: an open smtp server is a dangerous thing, I'd suggest you read some documentation on postfix before opening it to the world
[10:15] <thread> hey everybody
[10:15] <strixy> is there a better option in ubuntu for running a mail server?
[10:15] <tomchuk> strixy: not really, what makes you want to run a mail server?
[10:16] <strixy> I've learned everything else?? ha ha
[10:16] <thread> I'm trying to help set up ubuntu on my friend's computer, and no matter what we try, we can't get anything more than 'disc' and 'part1' to show up in /dev/ide... even though we want to install ubuntu on part3, the file simply isn't getting created in the devfs
[10:16] <tomchuk> strixy: cool, well learning is good, soes your box have a private IP?
[10:16] <tomchuk> s/soes/does/
[10:16] <TGCenter10> peza: I am not sure of the exact graphics card; it is the base card on a IBM R31 laptop -- My initial thought was that the graphics card was the hicup, but when I ran the install a second time my keyboard failed after the first screen.
[10:16] <thread> we've narrowed down the reason for the installer to fail creating the filesystem to the missing part2 and part3 files
[10:16] <strixy> tomchuk: by private you mean?..
[10:17] <va23> Sweet, it works like a charm.  Thanks a lot tomchuk!
[10:17] <tomchuk> strixy: non-routabel beginging in 192,172 or 10.xxx.xxx.xxx
[10:17] <tomchuk> va23: np
[10:17] <strixy> tomchuh: internally, yes
[10:18] <tomchuk> strixy: cool, then go nuts and as long as you don't forward port 25 to the rest of the world you'll be safe
[10:18] <tomchuk> strixy: the file you want is /etc/postfix/main.cf
[10:19] <strixy> tomchuk: can you recommend some reading online for security related postfix concerns? (so I don't go and cause trouble?
[10:19] <thread> nobody's devfs savy enough to answer my question?
[10:19] <tomchuk> strixy: if you're on a residential ISP, most likely you'll be violating your TOS and you email will get bounced from most servers
[10:19] <thread> it seems to me that if fdisk reports partitions 2 and 3 to exist (and it does, we've created them several times) that devfs should automatically create hte part2 and part3 files
[10:20] <strixy> tomchuk: I'm paying for it, so they shouldn'thave a problem
[10:20] <peza> TGCenter10: There is a lot of custom chips in that machine for ibm, have you tried disabling everything on the bootcd command line: "linux acpi=off noapic nolapic ...blaa bla"??
[10:21] <tomchuk> strixy: most residentia ISP's will pull the plug if they see an internet-facing smtp server
[10:22] <TGCenter10> peza: no, that is a good idea!  the only script I ran at boot was "linux vga=771", what will turning off acpi do?
[10:23] <strixy> tomchuk: well, before I go and change that setting I'll do some thinking and more research. I'll also contact my ISP to make sure my SoHO package allows this. Thanks for the heads up :)
[10:24] <squeegy> is there a way for me to use a custom kernel with the ubuntu installer?
[10:25] <strixy> I must hit the road. Staff christmas party tonight. Free everything, even the hotel room!
[10:25] <strixy> thanks Tomchuk
[10:25] <strixy> later
[10:31] <imcsk8_> hello, i'm having problems adding a printer
[10:32] <lazer-> hi, I want to try ubuntu on a toshiba celron craptop. A warty release i386 is the way to go ?
[10:32] <sabdf1> lazer-: yes, 686 kernel should work for you once it's installed
[10:32] <imcsk8_> in the printers panel i click on the add printer button, then ask me my password, i type my password and then it says that it failed to load gnome-cups-add
[10:33] <sabdf1> imcsk8_: are you running warty or hoary?
[10:34] <lazer-> sabdf1: ok thanks, I'm trying to find a very functional linux release
[10:34] <lazer-> I little tired of installing gentoo :)))
[10:34] <sabdf1> lazer-: ubuntu is a good option, though i'm a tad biased :-)
[10:34] <imcsk8_> warty
[10:35] <imcsk8_> i think that X is not listening to other connections
[10:35] <imcsk8_> it haves the -nolisten switch
[10:35] <imcsk8_> does ubuntu allows to configure this or do i have to edit the gdm file?
[10:36] <sabdf1> imcsk8_: hmm... the defaults should work fine
[10:36] <sabdf1> have you edited anything in the X config recently?
[10:36] <imcsk8_> nope
[10:37] <sabdf1> can you also verify that your passwd is correct, by opening a shell and trying to type "sudo gnome-cups-add"
[10:37] <sabdf1> enter
[10:37] <imcsk8_> it gives me a DISPLAY error
[10:38] <sabdf1> ok, that's beyond me
[10:38] <sabdf1> it does sound as though X is being unfriendly
[10:38] <sabdf1> daniels: you around?
[10:38] <lazer-> sabdf1: I'm giving it a try, on my server I actualy run gentoo for 305 days of uptime right now and i love their "emerge" stuff but I'm feeling to try other distro
[10:38] <GotD0t> does anybody have the link to daniels page?
[10:38] <rjek> His home page?
[10:38] <rjek> Well, his blog?
[10:39] <GotD0t> the page about his packages
[10:39] <rjek> Havn't a clue.
[10:39] <daniels> sabdf1: yo
[10:39] <daniels> GotD0t: which packages?
[10:39] <rjek> daniels: I thought you were moving your blog away from ppf, anyway? :)
[10:39] <imcsk8_> yes
[10:39] <sabdf1> daniels: it's imcsk8_ that has an interesting X error
[10:39] <daniels> rjek: yeah, slowly
[10:40] <daniels> imcsk8_: so you can't start new programs?
[10:40] <sabdf1> sudo'd apps aren't able to connet to X for display
[10:40] <daniels> imcsk8_: what happens when you type 'gedit' in a running X session?
[10:40] <imcsk8_> i can't run any administrative application and i don't really want to tweak ubuntu's configuration by hand
[10:40] <daniels> sabdf1: ... bong
[10:40] <GotD0t> daniels: the accelerated drivers
[10:40] <daniels> imcsk8_: if you run sudo cat ~/.Xauthority, does it work?
[10:40] <daniels> GotD0t: they're in hoary now
[10:40] <rjek> daniels: I noticed it was still there this morning when I got a Zeus-provided 404 from it when reading your posting about speeding boot times. :)
[10:41] <daniels> rjek: heh :)
[10:41] <daniels> how'd you end up with a 404?
[10:41] <GotD0t> daniels: oh, are the ati drivers accelerated yet?
[10:41] <Keybuk> because your blog gives out wrong links, told you that an hour ago :)
[10:41] <daniels> GotD0t: er, always have been.  what do you mean?
[10:41] <rjek> I think I followed a link, wondering what it was, as the link's text didn't make it obvious.
[10:41] <daniels> Keybuk: it's already fixed, ergo there is no problem
[10:41] <GotD0t> daniels: in hoary, ATI acceleration didnt work...
[10:41] <Keybuk> rjek said "this morning" :p
[10:42] <daniels> GotD0t: oh, with xorg.  right, not fixed.
[10:42] <imcsk8_> daniels, i closed the session and logged in as other user and now it works fine
[10:42] <GotD0t> daniels: gotcha
[10:42] <daniels> imcsk8_: ah, cool
[10:42] <imcsk8_> that was weird
[10:42] <imcsk8_> thanks for your help
[10:42] <daniels> imcsk8_: no worries
[10:43] <imcsk8_> i definetelly going to recommend ubuntu as a desktop option
[10:43] <daniels> awesome :) glad to hear it
[10:44] <|QuaD-> daniels: how do we request a package for the repos?
[10:44] <daniels> |QuaD-: such as?
[10:44] <|QuaD-> nvu, sunbird
[10:44] <imcsk8_> just one question
[10:45] <Synek> |QuaD-: build your own, it doesn't hurt you :0
[10:45] <Synek> imcsk8_: shoot
[10:45] <|QuaD-> Synek: :) i can do that, or get the linspire package, but i want one built for ub
[10:45] <imcsk8_> how can i manage the authorized computers to print
[10:45] <imcsk8_> i can do it editing cups.conf
[10:46] <imcsk8_> but i want to learn how to do that using the ubuntu tools
[10:46] <Synek> |QuaD-: well, one you build yourself in your ubuntu will be superb to ones in repo, won't it?
[10:46] <daniels> Quazion: i think they're both in universe
[10:47] <|QuaD-> Synek: hehe
[10:47] <|QuaD-> daniels: if that is to me, i don't think they are
[10:47] <Synek> hm] 
[10:48] <Synek> imcsk8_: all i know about cups is an funny "cups horror" article ;] 
[10:48] <imcsk8_> hehehe
[10:48] <imcsk8_> ok i'll just edit the cupsd.conf file
[10:49] <Synek> imcsk8_: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html - it's realyy worth reading :)
[10:49] <Synek> just for fun, well written stuff ;)
[10:50] <sabdf1> imcsk8_: I think the gnome cups manager stuff allows you to do quite a bit of configuration without editing the file
[10:51] <imcsk8_> sabdf1, nope, you can only configure the printer but not the access
[10:51] <sabdf1> ah
[10:51] <sabdf1> vi then :-)
[10:52] <|QuaD-> daniels: so do you know how i can request those?
[10:53] <daniels> |QuaD-: i don't think we have any real sort of process, no, sorry
[10:53] <|QuaD-> daniels: so if it is debian it just comes to hear, so the key is to get it into debian?
[10:53] <daniels> right
[10:54] <daniels> that's a very good way
[10:54] <|QuaD-> daniels: alright
[10:54] <|QuaD-> y
[10:58] <jdong> so what's going on in here....
[10:58] <imcsk8_> hehehe yeah vi is my configuration tool
[10:58] <jdong> everyone's dead in the other channel :)
[10:58] <jdong> exit
[10:59] <candyman> hi all
[10:59] <candyman> from beautiful barcelona
[10:59] <candyman> just come back from Mataro
[11:02] <sabdf1> |QuaD-: if you can build it, we will review it and if its good it goes straight into universe/multiverse
[11:12] <the_gummibear> is there a way to print to a networkprinter who's not compatible with linux?
[11:12] <the_gummibear> as in (no idea how) faking the fact that your windows or kinda?
[11:13] <OddAbe19> if it has an IP, you can use cups/samba
[11:13] <the_gummibear> it has an ip..
[11:13] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:13] <OddAbe19> then set up the printer with that IP
[11:13] <the_gummibear> but it keeps saying 'invalid data' (as it does not support linux :()
[11:13] <OddAbe19> huh
[11:13] <OddAbe19> beats me, i don't know much about Cupos
[11:13] <OddAbe19> cups*
[11:13] <the_gummibear> (printer says invalid data when i try to send somthing to it)
[11:14] <OddAbe19> just very basic stuff
[11:14] <tomchuk> the_gummibear: what kind of printer?
[11:14] <the_gummibear> okidate C5200n
[11:14] <the_gummibear> *okidata
[11:15] <confrey> I can't use my quantum lct10 in udma4 mode; I tried ' hdparm -X68 /dev/hdd' and 'hdparm -Xudma4 /dev/hdd'; but I always have *udma2 selected; what do I have to do?
[11:15] <the_gummibear> parents forgot to check if it was compatible with linux when they bought it..
[11:17] <scoon> anyone have any trouble importing songs into rhythmbox
[11:18] <Quest-Master> I do scoon.
[11:18] <Quest-Master> Don't use it.
[11:18] <scoon> Quest-Master, so do i
[11:18] <Quest-Master> It does that after a while.
[11:18] <Quest-Master> Use BEEP.
[11:18] <scoon> Quest-Master, i have 20gigs of mp3s but it chokes after about 800 megs
[11:18] <confrey> Quest-Master, what's BEEP?
[11:19] <scoon> does beep handle internet radio ?
[11:19] <scoon> i have used muine in the past but was not that fond of it
[11:19] <tomchuk> the_gummibear: hmmm, looks like there's OS X support (which uses cups) sou you might be able to use the ppd from the OS X driver
[11:19] <Quest-Master> confrey: beep-media-player
[11:20] <Quest-Master> confrey: GTK2 version of XMMS.
[11:20] <confrey> Quest-Master, oh! is there in ubuntu?
[11:20] <tomchuk> the_gummibear: or there's a network add-on for it that you might be able to use as a generic postscript printer
[11:20] <the_gummibear> i'd prolly cheer when i knew more about it, but i'm a little noob :(
[11:21] <the_gummibear> but it doesn't support postscript
[11:21] <Quest-Master> confrey: Yup.
[11:21] <the_gummibear> it's an evil machine..
[11:21] <Quest-Master> confrey: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[11:21] <confrey> Quest-Master, thanks
[11:22] <confrey> I can't use my quantum lct10 in udma4 mode; I tried ' hdparm -X68 /dev/hdd' and 'hdparm -Xudma4 /dev/hdd'; but I always have *udma2 selected; what do I have to do?
[11:24] <tomchuk> the_gummibear: I'm going to grab the OS X driver on my powerbook and see if I can find a valid ppd file to use
[11:26] <the_gummibear> that would be nice.. cause it's the only (color)laserprinter in the house..
[11:26] <the_gummibear> so now i need to transfer my files over the network to a filthy windows pc, then run downstairs, (wait till i'm logged in) & then print it :p
[11:26] <the_gummibear> which is a rather long way for a network printer :p
[11:28] <scoon> Quest-Master, so is that a sys-tray plugin for beep or not ?
[11:28] <Quest-Master> If there is a systray plugin for XMMS, you can load it into beep and it should work.
[11:29] <scoon> Quest-Master, so why not just use xmms ?
[11:29] <Quest-Master> scoon: XMMS uses GTK1.x
[11:30] <Quest-Master> scoon: GTK2.x is faster and better-looking.
[11:30] <Ribs> xmms needs to die
[11:30] <Ribs> quickly
[11:30] <scoon> Quest-Master, hmmm.  may NOT be enough reason for me to use it.
[11:30] <Ribs> It's like Napster, refusing to die!
[11:30] <scoon> Ribs, what don't you like about xmms
[11:30] <will_> anyone know a program to view/extract iso, bin etc etc?
[11:30] <scoon> besides the fact that it works
[11:30] <Quest-Master> XMMS is pretty useless compared to beep.
[11:30] <thenuke> is not napster now something which you have to pay for?
[11:31] <thully> Hi - I am the one w/the Flash problems involving gnome sound server in Hoary - would it be OK to report these issues as a bug with priority "enhancement" and note them on the wiki?
[11:31] <thenuke> I would consider that something which have died :)
[11:31] <Ribs> scoon: It's old, there are tools out there which do a better job than XMMS
[11:31] <Fwiffo> will_: You can just mount an iso as a loop-device
[11:31] <scoon> Quest-Master, i am not quite seeing that.  Is there somewhere I can go to get some info, rather than opinions
[11:31] <thenuke> because it is nothing what it has been
[11:31] <Ribs> XMMS in itself isn't a bad program, but it's dated and tired
[11:31] <thully> I think it may be something specific to the combination of 1)my sound card and 2)the latest gnome sound server
[11:31] <scoon> kids don't ever optomize your selfs to death
[11:31] <will_> Fwiffo: its a .bin file in question, how do i do that?
[11:31] <Quest-Master> scoon: XMMS is just an old version of beep.
[11:31] <Ribs> I used it a lot until I found Rythembox
[11:32] <Quest-Master> There is no reason to use XMMS now that beep is here.
[11:32] <scoon> Ribs, well here is a question for you.
[11:32] <farruinn> iTunes in a mol window kicks ass :D
[11:32] <Quest-Master> And oh god, Rhythmbox really screwed up after a few days for me.
[11:32] <scoon> Ribs, do you have problems importing mp3s into rhythmbox
[11:32] <confrey> I can't use my quantum lct10 in udma4 mode; I tried ' hdparm -X68 /dev/hdd' and 'hdparm -Xudma4 /dev/hdd'; but I always have *udma2 selected; what do I have to do?
[11:32] <Ribs> scoon: no
[11:32] <scoon> Ribs, i have 20gigs of mp3s and it just chokes rhythmbox
[11:32] <Ribs> heh, ouch
[11:33] <Ribs> I hardly have any MP3s right now
[11:33] <Ribs> thanks to a HD fuckup
[11:33] <Fwiffo> will_: I'm not very knowledgable on the subject, but i think bin/cue is often the same as iso
[11:33] <scoon> oh
[11:33] <scoon> so i suppose everyone hates zinf as well
[11:33] <Fwiffo> will_: try mounting the .bin as you would a iso
[11:33] <will_> Fwiffo: so how would you go about mounting it?
[11:34] <Ribs> no, you can't mount bins
[11:34] <Ribs> Linux won't have it
[11:35] <Fwiffo> Ribs: I think mostly the bin is the same as an iso -> you can just rename it
[11:35] <will_> Fwiffo: how would you mount an ISO?
[11:35] <Ribs> Fwiffo: no, you can't
[11:35] <Ribs> ISO and bin are two different things
[11:35] <Fwiffo> will_: try googling on it
[11:35] <Ribs> you can use bin2iso to convert a bin into a iso, then mount that
[11:35] <Ribs> it's a handy little tool
[11:36] <scoon> Quest-Master, or Ribs, every used zinf ?
[11:36] <Ribs> Never heard of it
[11:36] <Quest-Master> scoon: Never heard of it
[11:36] <enabl> will_ I just rename .bin to .mpg 99% they are fine
[11:36] <Quest-Master> scoon: What is it?
[11:37] <scoon> Quest-Master, well it is like xmms and beep except it also manages internet radio stations like rhythmbox
[11:37] <Ribs> enabl: you don't need to rename it in most cases
[11:37] <scoon> which i listen to a lot of
[11:37] <Fwiffo> wil It something like: mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/iso /path/to/folder but theres probably a flaw somewhere in my syntax
[11:37] <enabl> Ribs: i do if i want to play it on my dvd player
[11:37] <Ribs> ah :)
[11:38] <Ribs> a .bin is simply a disc image
[11:38] <tomchuk> the_gummibear: wget http://www.tomchuk.com/drop/oki.tar.gz
[11:38] <tomchuk> the_gummibear: and move the ppd.gz to /usr/share/ppd/Okidata
[11:39] <will_> enabl: its a game!
[11:39] <enabl> ah right
[11:39] <will_> im just going to use cdmage in wine to do it :)
[11:39] <tomchuk> the_gummibear: you'll have 2 new printers - DATA 24-Pin and DATA 9-Pin, try each and see if they work
[11:39] <daaku> how do i get the windows key to work as a modifier instead of a normal key in the keyboard shortcuts preferences applet?
[11:39] <Fwiffo> will_: btw i think you have to load the loop module before you can mount an iso
[11:39] <Fwiffo> will_: 'sudo modprobe loop'
[11:39] <the_gummibear> i'll have a look tomchuk :)
[11:39] <the_gummibear> thx
[11:40] <tomchuk> no
[11:40] <tomchuk> *np
[11:42] <scoon> Quest-Master, http://www.zinf.org/
[11:42] <scoon> check it out
[11:43] <hobo> hi there,
[11:43] <calamari> CD Player reads from my hard drive about once per second when idle (I see my HD light blinking).. why?
[11:44] <hobo> could just someone tell me how to get a list of the available multiverse-progz, like the available games...?
[11:45] <tomchuk> hobo - in synaptic, sort by sections and lookin in Games and Amusements (Multiverse)
[11:46] <hobo> ok, and caus i'm a newborn-ubuntuuser, how to get to synaptic?
[11:47] <tomchuk> computer -> system Config -> synaptic
[11:47] <the_gummibear> damnit, still invalid data :(
[11:48] <the_gummibear> guess i'll need to find a way to run a print server on a windows machine or kinda :s
[11:48] <the_gummibear> thx anyway tomchuk :)
[11:48] <tomchuk> the_gummibear: right, click the printer on the windows machine and choose share
[11:49] <tomchuk> the_gummibear: and when you add the printer use a network (samba) printer
[11:49] <dcm> how do I reinstall GLIB?
[11:49] <tomchuk> the_gummibear: but you'll still need a driver for it in linux, and it doesn't sound like generic postscript will work
[11:50] <hobo> tomchuk - thanks, i know i've got a long way to go to ubuntu-heaven.. and, btw, that's the easiest way to get the kde-desktop?
[11:50] <the_gummibear> i can't send my file to a windows machine where it'll be fixed to be printed?
[11:50] <Riddell> hobo: sudo apt-get install kde
[11:50] <dcm> how do I reinstall GLIB?
[11:51] <hobo> riddell: thats it? hell do all the thing of switching from gnome to kde with that one command?
[11:51] <dcm> Excuse me
[11:51] <dcm> how do I reinstall GLIB?
[11:52] <Riddell> hobo: that will install all of KDE, which is quite a lot, you may want to just `sudo apt-get install kdebase kdm kdemultimedia`
[11:52] <Fwiffo> dcm: use synaptic?
[11:52] <dcm> whats that
[11:52] <the_gummibear> the ubuntu package manager
[11:52] <dcm> oh
[11:53] <Riddell> hobo: warty has KDE 3.2, hoary has mostly 3.3
[11:53] <Fwiffo> dcm: as tomchuk said: computer -> system Config -> synaptic
[11:53] <dcm> I was using apt-get and aptitude
[11:53] <dcm> Thanks
[11:53] <tomchuk> dcm: why the need to reinstall glib?
[11:53] <Quest-Master> I think I'm going to have to reinstall my Ubuntu for the third time in less than a month today
[11:53] <dcm> I either don't have it, or it's broken
[11:54] <Quest-Master> And I'm using Warty
[11:54] <dcm> I could not compile xchat 2.4.1
[11:54] <tomchuk> dcm: ah, you need to install libglib2.0-dev
[11:54] <Synek> Quest-Master: why do you want/need to reinstall?
[11:54] <Fwiffo> dcm: why would you need to compile xchat?
[11:54] <dcm> This is 2.0.8, the newest is 2.4.1
[11:55] <Quest-Master> Synek: All of my programs are slowly dying one by one :)
[11:55] <Fwiffo> dcm: ok, any great new features?
[11:55] <hobo> riddell: i got the warty-release, should i update to heary first, or go for kde right away, with options for updating later..?
[11:55] <Quest-Master> Synek: It's almost like Windows all over again
[11:55] <Synek> lol :)
[11:55] <dcm> mm i dunno
[11:55] <Quest-Master> Synek: First Totem, then Beep, CD Player, and finally gEdit and Screem
[11:56] <Synek> hm don't use them, don't know
[11:56] <Quest-Master> I'm really mad. ><
[11:56] <Fwiffo> dcm: why then go through all that trouble :o)
[11:56] <Synek> my fluxbox just going ok, so does mplayer
[11:56] <scoon> Quest-Master, what are you doing to it ?
[11:56] <Quest-Master> scoon: Nothing at all./
[11:56] <Quest-Master> *.
[11:56] <dcm> I like to have the latest of stuff
[11:56] <Synek> Hm, maybe the apps are just longing for your attencion? ;-=)
[11:57] <Synek> attention
[11:57] <Synek> ;)
[11:57] <Quest-Master> I've already given them so much
[11:57] <Quest-Master> ;D
[11:57] <Synek> ;)))
[11:57] <Fwiffo> dcm: ok, ever thought about just upgrading to Hoary then?
[11:57] <the_gummibear> what was the command to mount everything that's possible?
[11:57] <the_gummibear> mount -a ?
[11:57] <Quest-Master> I didn't even upgrade to Hoary and almost all of my daily programs are gone
[11:58] <Fwiffo> dcm: seems more reasonable than installing stuff the other way
[11:58] <dcm> Fwiffo: I didn't know Hoary was out yet, where can I get it?
[11:58] <Synek> dcm: hm, strange way, i assume that new ssh ver is good-to-have, but new ver of xchat gives gou nothing at all, i suppose
[11:58] <tomchuk> the_gummibear: mount -a [-t|-O]  ...     : mount all stuff from /etc/fstab
[11:58] <Fwiffo> dcm: try looking in the wiki, it real easy
[11:58] <the_gummibear> ok, then the online banking is still fooking me :(
[11:59] <Fwiffo> dcm: but its in development so some things may break
[11:59] <Fwiffo> calamari: upgrade CD?