[12:01] <mjg59> Keybuk: Mm. We didn't get any beeps out of yours, did we?
[12:01] <mjg59> It could well be the same issue
[12:01] <Keybuk> no, but that could be just the fact it's a soundcard that pretends to beep
[12:02] <mjg59> That's true
[12:02] <mjg59> Tell tbm to get his docking station fixed
[12:03] <Keybuk> heh :p
[12:06] <daniels> GOD SVN IS A DISK HOG
[12:06] <daniels> 2.6MB in database logs, 401MB in 'strings'
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[12:07] <sabdf1> daniels: have you tried baz recently?
[12:07] <sabdf1> mjg59: will the X40 be a happy puppy with your new kernels?
[12:08] <mjg59> sabdf1: Everything in my kernels is in Hoary's 2.6.9 now
[12:08] <daniels> sabdf1: don't use svn personally, just looking at a few fd.o projects (the start-and-forget ones that are making us look like sourceforge)
[12:09] <mjg59> sabdf1: If you're on Hoary, you get suspend to disk support by magic
[12:09] <daniels> sabdf1: i use baz for all my stuff
[12:09] <sabdf1> mjg59: this laptop is still warty-fied, desktop has hoary, but the laptop is what i'm curious about
[12:09] <mjg59> sabdf1: But yeah, I'm running that kernel on my X40
[12:10] <sabdf1> daniels: our arch supermirror is going to be a huge repo of scarily unmaintained code too, i figure
[12:10] <mjg59> I think it probably has usb-storage issues which are fixed in the Hoary one
[12:10] <sabdf1> ok
[12:10] <sabdf1> can't wait :-)
[12:10] <mjg59> Hoary's 2.6.9 should work fine on Warty, as long as you pick up Hoary's initrd-tools as well
[12:10] <sabdf1> well, i suppose, if that were true i'd be upgrading now
[12:10] <daniels> sabdf1: mmm, at least its stated purpose is to suck up everything alive, not to foster active development
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[12:11] <sabdf1> i'm waiting for the package freeze
[12:11] <daniels> sabdf1: ('hi, you never logged in and afaict you've only ever committed four headers.  do you guys actually exist?')
[12:11] <sabdf1> right
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[12:17] <sabdf1> mjg59: great work, you're getting quite a reputation among the ubuntites
[12:17] <thom> as a scary loony. definitely
[12:18] <sabdf1> no one seems to know what a verbally carcinogenic glyphically creative character you really are ;-)
[12:18] <Keybuk> not scary, so much as angry
[12:18] <daniels> oh, we all know, dude :)
[12:21] <mjg59> Haha
[12:22] <sabdf1> beer time?
[12:22] <thom> sabdf1: yes
[12:23] <sabdf1> see you there
[12:23] <thom> righto
[12:23] <sabdf1> just... one... more... commit...
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[12:23] <thom> hah!
[12:23] <daniels> sabdf1: craaaaack
[12:23] <daniels> see you guys in the lobby
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[12:23] <lifeless> hehe, I got CRACK.
[12:23] <lifeless> will feed it to you soon.
[12:23] <stockholm> this is the pyhton support channel, right?
[12:24] <Keybuk> the Python people are playing mao or drinking beer :p
[12:24] <lifeless> (thats inclusive or too,for clarity)
[12:25] <stockholm> i get this traceback from rootstrap:
[12:25] <stockholm> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:25] <stockholm>   File "/usr/bin/rootstrap", line 113, in ?
[12:25] <stockholm>     if os.spawnvpe(os.P_WAIT,umlargs[0] , umlargs, os.environ) != 0:
[12:25] <stockholm>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/os.py", line 553, in spawnvpe
[12:25] <stockholm>     return _spawnvef(mode, file, args, env, execvpe)
[12:25] <stockholm>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/os.py", line 504, in _spawnvef
[12:25] <stockholm>     wpid, sts = waitpid(pid, 0)
[12:25] <stockholm> KeyboardInterrupt
[12:25] <lifeless> you hit Ctrl-C.
[12:25] <stockholm> yes, i did, because the thing hang
[12:25] <lifeless> so it raw a child process, it was waiting for that child.
[12:25] <lifeless> *ran*
[12:26] <stockholm> but the child process was just sitting there.
[12:26] <lifeless> what was the child meant to be doing? (what was it..)
[12:27] <stockholm> exiting.
[12:27] <stockholm> it should have exited.
[12:27] <stockholm> it was a uml process that had done a shutdown
[12:27] <lifeless> hmm, what kernel ?
[12:27] <stockholm> 2.4.26-3um
[12:28] <lifeless> ok, not that suspicion then.
[12:28] <stockholm> and host is 2.6.9 wiht skas
[12:28] <stockholm> with
[12:28] <lifeless> oh! ok, I *think* there is a bug in 2.6* hitting python.
[12:28] <lifeless> try with LD_ASSUME_KERNEL="2.4.whatever"
[12:29] <stockholm> neat, ok
[12:29] <lifeless> I saw weird stuff like that all the time until I put that in.
[12:29] <stockholm> really "whatever"?
[12:29] <lifeless> (by whatever I mean foo, a metasyntatic wassname.
[12:29] <lifeless> let me look up the actual value I'm using
[12:29] <lifeless> 2.4.2
[12:30] <stockholm> ok
[12:42] <stockholm> lifeless: hm, still hangs when done
[12:43] <stockholm> you meant it like an environment var to the process, right?
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[12:45] <jon1012> hello :)
[12:59] <jon1012> excuse me, where can I find "libgnomevfs2-0_2.9.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb" ?
[01:05] <Mithrandir> nautilus should support sftp://$host/$directory style symlinks.
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[01:06] <jon1012> ?
[01:06] <Mithrandir> I guess I'll have to patch that in.
[01:15] <jon1012> do you know when the gnome menus will be fixed in hoary ?
[01:16] <Mithrandir> nope, seb128 would be the man to know
[01:16] <Mithrandir> or jdub
[01:16] <jon1012> ok :)
[01:17] <jon1012> thx ^^
[01:20] <haggai> where is everyone?
[01:21] <haggai> we just got back from Barcelona and the place is deserted
[01:23] <jon1012> lol
[01:27] <jon1012> it explains why there wasn't anybody the last week :p
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[01:34] <haggai> Kubuntu!  Ker-buntu! Keee-dee-Eee-buntu !!
[01:34] <lifeless> we're right here
[01:34] <lifeless> :)
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[01:36] <sladen> haggai: which corner?
[01:36] <haggai> sladen: the one in my room, which thankfully has wireless
[01:36] <lifeless> :)
[01:36] <haggai> sladen: so where is everyone anyway?
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[01:38] <lifeless> garh!
[01:39] <jon1012> hm... I don't know if it's the right moment to ask, but I would want to help in the gnome development ^^
[01:39] <jon1012> and ubuntu of course :)
[01:39] <jon1012> (gnome in ubuntu in fact :p)
[01:39] <lifeless> I think its *always* the right time to ask that
[01:39] <jon1012> lol
[01:40] <haggai> jdub!
[01:40] <haggai> jdub: did you find any chocolate?
[01:41] <jdub> no
[01:41] <jdub> just lollies
[01:45] <jon1012> (jdub, do you know when I could test the fixed menu system for hoary ?)
[01:46] <jon1012> (or maybe I could help in the development of this?)
[01:47] <jdub> first cut should be done this weekend
[01:49] <jon1012> ok :)
[01:49] <jon1012> if you need some help or testing just ask me :)
[01:54] <haggai> arrggh evo crashed for the 3rd time on the same list
[01:54] <haggai> don't you gnome guys have anything stable to read your mail with? *duck*
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[01:59] <jon1012> lol
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[02:24] <mojo> daniels: ur the greatest! I just got the new 686 linux-restricted and nvidia-glx
[02:24] <mojo> daniels: but did you notice that 'glxgear' fail? (Segmentation fault)
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[02:25] <mojo> daniels: and so cedega and other related program
[02:27] <jon1012> (ouch :/)
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[02:55] <jon1012> good night everybody :)
[02:57] <lamont_r> who's on 192.168.0.14?
[02:58] <jon1012> ?? (192.168.0.14 is a lan addresse :|)
[02:58] <lamont_r> jon1012: exactly.  specifically, an IP at the conf in mataro
[02:58] <lamont_r> which is to say, someone's laptop.
[02:58] <sivang> not mines :)
[02:58] <jon1012> oh ok lol
[02:59] <jon1012> I'm not in mataro :p
[03:01] <sivang> lamont_r : still fighting with the network?
[03:02] <plovs> lamont_r, here it works ok
[03:02] <plovs> lamont_r, across the hall from your room
[03:02] <lamont_r> am fine
[03:04] <lamont_r> just experience a burp in the force
[03:04] <lamont_r> whoever's on .14 was just bouncing around alot is all.
[03:04] <lamont_r> anyway, bed time
[03:04] <sivang> lamont, night!
[03:10] <sabdf1> night all
[03:10] <sivang> night sabdfl 
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[03:33] <mojo> daniels: is it better if u write a script to download binary Nvidia driver and install automatically rather get restricted-modules? On some machine, the resctrited does not work or usually encounter some Seg fault error
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[04:49] <spotter> anyone using software suspend w/ the new 2.6.9 kernel?
[04:49] <tseng> sortof
[04:49] <spotter> how does one set it up?
[04:50] <tseng> read $linuxsource/Documentation/power/swsusp.txt
[04:50] <spotter> hmm
[04:50] <spotter> have to install linuxsource
[04:50] <spotter> i just installed the unbuntu packages
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[06:26] <jdodson> knock, knock.
[06:26] <jdodson> any developers in the house?
[06:26] <jdodson> house being this irc channel that is.
[06:27] <Tsjoklat> bit early in Spain jdodson... and weekend
[06:27] <jdodson> ah right.
[06:27] <jdodson> doh.
[06:28] <Tsjoklat> would try in mmmm two and a half hours
[06:28] <jdodson> gonna be in bed then..... oh well.
[06:30] <Tsjoklat> more luck on monday
[06:30] <jdodson> sounds good, will rock it then....
[06:31] <Tsjoklat> :)
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[10:47] <Simira> morning folks!
=== Mithrandir ruffles Simira 
[10:49] <Treenaks> morning Simira 
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[01:03] <jdahlin> I have a problem booting ubuntu on amd64, seems like grub cant find stage2 from my hd
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[01:18] <azeem> jdahlin: seems they are all touring Barcelona today
[01:18] <jdahlin> yeah, boring :)
[01:26] <amu> azeem: not all ;) 
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[03:12] <pasc> woohoo
=== pasc finally makes it in
=== Treenaks decides normal developers will never be able to use baz
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[03:42] <pasc> Treenaks: how come?
[03:44] <Treenaks> pasc: because it's impossible to think up a 'baz get' line which does NOT tell me "invalid revision spec"
[03:44] <lifeless> pasc: dude, are you here ?
[03:45] <lifeless> Treenaks: how so ? 
[03:45] <lifeless> Treenaks: i.e give me an example.
[03:45] <pasc> lifeless: yeah
[03:45] <pasc> lifeless: where are you?
[03:45] <lifeless> rm 124
[03:45] <pasc> ah
[03:45] <lifeless> u?
[03:45] <pasc> is everyone in their rooms or something?
[03:45] <pasc> i'm in one of the conf rooms
[03:46] <lifeless> nyha, the slackers went to barcelona, I couldn't face that much walking :)
[03:46] <pasc> I think it's the BOF room
[03:46] <pasc> is bob2 wearing a white shirt today?
[03:46] <lifeless> if its mid sized and stinky, its the BOF room
[03:46] <Treenaks> lifeless: the main problem is that the most advanced revision control I've used is cvs
[03:46] <Treenaks> lifeless: and the lack of docs"
[03:47] <Treenaks> docs for beginners
[03:47] <Treenaks> stupid ^J
[03:47] <pasc> lifeless: yeah
[03:47] <pasc> sounds about right
[03:47] <lifeless> so baz is way to complicated, yes.
[03:47] <lifeless> and we are addressing that.
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[03:47] <lifeless> but the basics are very similar to cvs - you have a repository, it has branches that you can check out, and commit to.
[03:48] <Treenaks> I'll have to dive into the docs some more
[03:49] <lifeless> pasc: I could do lunch, but stuff will be closed now, until ~ 8pm.
[03:51] <pasc> lifeless: want to walk around and see if we see anything?
[03:51] <pasc> it also gives me the chance to walk around and giggle when I hear people speak in catalan
[03:51] <lifeless> sure. Meet you in the lobby?
[03:54] <pasc> hmm ok
[03:54] <pasc> actually
[03:54] <pasc> i'll just come to your room?
[03:54] <pasc> be there in 4
[03:54] <pasc> 0 seconds
[03:56] <pasc> right
[03:56] <pasc> second try
[03:56] <pasc> this time I'll actually try to remember your room number
[03:56] <pasc> right
[03:56] <pasc> out
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[04:01] <pasc> hmm
[04:01] <pasc> I can't find the rooms past 120
[04:07] <jamesh> you need to go down to the ground floor and go up the other stair case / lift
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[04:41] <Mithrandir> remon: could you please turn off public away?
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[04:58] <Mithrandir> Keybuk/thom/daniels: is there a repository with your latest crack?
[04:58] <Mithrandir> or what's the ETA of upload to hoary on it?
[05:06] <Treenaks> the boot speedup crack?
[05:07] <Mithrandir> yeah
=== robtaylor|mataro wants more crack
[05:08] <Treenaks> robtaylor: poke jdub, keybuk, thom and/or daniels :)
[05:08] <Mithrandir> craaaaaaaaaaack!
[05:08] <Treenaks> robtaylor: or, if you want kernel crack, poke fabbione :)
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[05:17] <pasc> Treenaks: jdub/thom /daniels aren't around
[05:17] <pasc> Treenaks: I don't know what keybuck looks like
[05:18] <lifeless> pasc: he looks like scott
[05:18] <lifeless> http://www.netsplit.com/
[05:19] <Treenaks> lifeless: he doesn't look like that.. not much at least
[05:19] <Treenaks> http://foodfight.org/fotos/2004/12-07%20Ubuntu%20Conference/?img_0018.jpg
[05:19] <lifeless> Treenaks: thats his home page - he does so look like that.
[05:20] <pasc> lifeless: that could be what he would like to look like
[05:20] <lifeless> :] 
[05:21] <pasc> well I can't see anyone like that either
[05:21] <lifeless> I'm pretty sure him and rent boy have gone -> bc
[05:21] <lifeless> n
[05:21] <pasc> rent boy?
[05:22] <lifeless> Thom
[05:22] <pasc> ah
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[06:11] <Simira> is Ubuntu in plural Ubunti?
[06:14] <Mithrandir> I think it's uncountable
[06:23] <Simira> no, it's not!
[06:27] <Treenaks> Simira: it's countable?
[06:27] <Treenaks> Simira: I think it's more like "water"..
[06:28] <Mithrandir> *chuckle*
[06:28] <Treenaks> now ubuntite.. that's countable :)
[06:28] <Simira> nooo
[06:28] <Simira> One Ubuntu, more Ubunti
[06:28] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: mako had some crackhead plural for it.. do you remember?
[06:28] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: uh no? ubuntites?
[06:28] <Simira> like a lot of Ubuntu clients in a room?
[06:28] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: or ubuntits? :P
[06:28] <Simira> Ubuntas?
[06:28] <Treenaks> Simira: ubuntistas?
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[06:29] <pasc> ubuntish
[06:29] <Simira> regardless, I *know* it's Ubunti!
[06:29] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: I dont remember.
[06:29] <Mithrandir> Simira: drop a mail to sounder@ ?
[06:29] <Simira> no way... flaming is not encouraged
[06:29] <Treenaks> Simira: it's not flaming, it's asking a question
[06:29] <Treenaks> "what's the plural" etc.
[06:30] <Simira> But I know :p
[06:30] <Simira> besides, I have an article to finish now
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[06:31] <Simira> lol
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[06:31] <Simira> Ubuntu Women == Ubuntits :D
[06:31] <Mithrandir> farruinn: it might help you a bit to know that Simira and I are in the same room (:
[06:32] <farruinn> ah, ok
[06:32] <farruinn> what I really didn't understand though is why Simira asked a question to which he already knew the answer =)
[06:33] <Mithrandir> farruinn: we had a small discussion about it.  And she's a she, not a he.
[06:33] <farruinn> sorry Simira
[06:33] <farruinn> wouldn't have thought that a woman would have said Ubuntu Women == Ubuntits :D
[06:34] <Simira> most men wouldn't. That's why they're men
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[06:51] <remon> Mithrandir: sorry, I think public away is on by default on ksirc, I'll have a look at it right now
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[06:55] <remon> Mithrandir: I think I disabled it, please let me know if it has helped. I guess I don't see those messages like that in my window
[07:02] <Mithrandir> remon: ok, thanks.  If you twiddle away/not away now, I can check.
[07:02] <Mithrandir> (or if you just did, it should be ok)
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[07:04] <Simira> hm.. Tsjoklat 
[07:05] <Treenaks> Simira: I don't think she's online
[07:06] <Simira> ok
[07:06] <Treenaks> can I take a message? :)
[07:06] <Simira> Treenaks: not really, it's a women-thing :)
[07:06] <Treenaks> :) ok
[07:08] <Simira> Treenaks: just finished the article about Ubuntu and women in open source communities. Will put it out as soon as I get a few to read it and give me feedback on the language and spelling/grammatics
[07:09] <Treenaks> Simira: on the wiki?
[07:09] <Treenaks> Simira: or somewhere else?
[07:13] <Tsjoklat> I am here sorry mr. Bo was sick
[07:19] <Simira> Treenaks: on the wiki and mailing lists
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[07:32] <thom> Mithrandir: i need to package up readahead
=== Treenaks hires a cheerleader team to cheer on thom while packaging
[07:34] <Treenaks> jdub: have you had time for the -nl list yet? :)
[07:34] <lifeless> that won't make thom package faster, you know.
[07:34] <RubenV> if no teams are available, i'll volunteer for the cheering
[07:35] <RubenV> that'll make him package faster ;)
[07:35] <lifeless> :)
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[07:41] <remon> Mithrandir: hmm, I'm getting a message now about being not longer away :(
[07:43] <Treenaks> remon: we're not getting that
[07:43] <remon> Ah, so it's allright now?
[07:43] <Treenaks> it seems
[07:44] <remon> fine :)
[07:44] <remon> BTW, do any of you know if there's a channel somewhere for Qt specific things?
[07:45] <Mithrandir> remon: try #qt or #kde-devel or #kde-dev or something?
[07:45] <Mithrandir> (I don't know if those exists, but it's always worth a shot)
[07:45] <remon> Ah, OK I'll try to do so, or if perhaps some of you are familiar with Qt programming :P
[07:46] <remon> (don't want to bother this list with offtopic stuff)
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[08:14] <Keybuk> heights, ice cream and coke
[08:14] <Keybuk> BAD BAD BAD COMBINATION
[08:14] <Keybuk> BOUNCEY!
[08:15] <Keybuk> doesn't really improve my aim much, though
[08:15] <elmo> BOUNCEY BOUNCEY BOUNCEY BOUNCEY BOUNCEY BOUNCEY BOUNCEY BOUNCEY BOUNCEY BOUNCEY BOUNCEY BOUNCEY BOUNCEY 
[08:16] <Mithrandir> hm?
[08:16] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: I WANT MY CRAAACK
[08:17] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: hotplug craaaack
[08:17] <Mithrandir> nooooow
[08:17] <Keybuk> I'm a fixin' hotplug at the moment
[08:18] <Keybuk> I slightly broke the input agent and it doesn't find the psmouse on X40s
[08:18] <thom> elmo in cyclone of hate shocker
[08:18] <Mithrandir> thom: how so?
[08:18] <pasc> can someone poke daniels for me?
[08:18] <thom> pasc: no, i can throw sweets
[08:18] <elmo> I can throw a glass full of coke at him, if you want
[08:19] <pasc> yeah that works
[08:19] <pasc> I think that hit
[08:19] <pasc> I heard it from here ;-)
[08:19] <Mithrandir> heh
[08:19] <elmo> no, that was me, being my quiet self
[08:20] <pasc> heh
=== pasc comes to check on what's happening
=== Keybuk kills pasc
[08:20] <Keybuk> you just started WW3
[08:20] <pasc> uh oh
[08:21] <thom> elmo's divebombing seb and sjoerd
=== Keybuk feels in a very insecure psition right now
=== haggai feels vulnerable in the middle between thom,elmo,keybuk,pitti & daniels
[08:23] <Mithrandir> what's going on down there?
=== Keybuk hugs haggai
[08:23] <thom> sweet fight
[08:23] <Mithrandir> jdub: fire up your webcam!
[08:23] <thom> ESUGAR
[08:23] <pitti> Mithrandir: "down"? where are you?
[08:23] <Mithrandir> pitti: home.
[08:23] <Mithrandir> I have an exam in about 12 hours.
[08:23] <pitti> Mithrandir: oh, good luck
[08:36] <daniels> someone throw a lolly at haggai
[08:36] <daniels> he's clearly far too pacifist
=== haggai grabs an idle pneumatic drill and playfully drills daniels' skull a few times
[08:37] <thom> i exist to please
[08:37] <daniels> another drill
[08:37] <daniels> er
[08:37] <daniels> another lolly
[08:37] <daniels> he's clearly far too violent now
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=== haggai growls
[08:38] <Treenaks> where is all this happening? Cristal? :)
[08:39] <thom> Treenaks: the "quiet" room
[08:39] <Treenaks> thom: ah, that means either elmo or lamont is there..
[08:39] <thom> elmo
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[08:41] <lifeless> dinner time ?
[08:44] <Keybuk> we just pigged out on ice cream
[08:44] <Keybuk> much more fun
[08:46] <Treenaks> Keybuk: alcoholic ice cream?
[08:47] <daniels> configure:26108: checking for qglobal.h
[08:47] <daniels> configure:26122: result: found
[08:47] <daniels> configure:26141: WARNING: Qt development libraries not found
[08:47] <daniels> SPETHUL
[08:47] <Keybuk> no, strawberry
[08:47] <daniels>     if test -z $kdelibs -o ! -f $kdelibs/libkdecore.la; then
[08:47] <daniels>         have_qt=no
[08:47] <daniels>     else
[08:47] <daniels> oh yeah, I remember that
=== daniels applauds.
[08:48] <daniels> of course, it doesn't ever tell you that what you actually need is KDE
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[08:50] <thom> daniels: mcs is rebuilt - http://192.168.0.19/~thom/
[08:50] <thom> grab all the mono-* crud from there
[08:50] <daniels> cheers
[08:51] <daniels> googling for "david zeuthen" bootchart: Did you mean: "david zeuthen" butchart
[08:51] <jdub> buttchart?
[08:52] <jdub> MEASURE MY ASS!
=== Tsjoklat gets the tape measure
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> bend over?
=== jdub blushes semi-politely.
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[08:58] <Tsjoklat> you demanded it :)
[08:58] <Tsjoklat> I just thought I would oblige you
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[09:09] <daniels> thom: KUNEKSHUN REFUSED
[09:09] <thom> yeah, i just got rebooted
[09:09] <thom> .110
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[09:13] <daniels> ta
[09:14] <daniels> oh my god, how psychopathic
[09:14] <daniels> they don't actually *USE* KDE, they just borrow all the flags from kdecore
[09:14] <daniels> because they're too lazy to figure out which flags Qt needs themselves
[09:17] <thom> heh!
[09:18] <daniels> to go nicely with 'DESTDIR=' in mono/makefile.am
[09:19] <haggai> mjg59: seems I loose sound after suspend/resume
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[09:20] <daniels> haggai: try alsactl power off, alsactl power on
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[09:26] <haggai> aplay: pcm_write:1118: write error: Input/output error
[09:26] <haggai> daniels: nope
[09:26] <haggai> Mithrandir: hmmm?  Pity you went already
[09:27] <Keybuk> hmm
[09:27] <Mithrandir> haggai: ooo building is sloooooooooow
[09:27] <Keybuk> I need to find someone else's laptop to experiment on
[09:27] <daniels> haggai: genius
[09:27] <haggai> Mithrandir: yup.  And? :)
[09:29] <thom> I HAD TWO COPIES OPEN
[09:30] <thom> http://www.clearairturbulence.org/rob_weir.jpg
[09:31] <thom> it's all elmo's fault
=== Mithrandir drinks some good whisky
=== HcE wonders if Mithrandir wants some Braastad XO in 4de
[09:32] <HcE> ;)
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[09:34] <Mithrandir> HcE: I have about a full bottle of XO (bache) here.  And a bunch of the balvenie and the glenlivet and other good whiskys.
[09:34] <HcE> here = at home?
[09:34] <Mithrandir> (whiskys?  whiskies?  whiskars?)
[09:34] <Mithrandir> yup
[09:34] <Mithrandir> got back last night
[09:35] <HcE> from Italy?
[09:35] <HcE> or was it Spain
[09:35] <HcE> ?
[09:35] <Mithrandir> from Spain.
[09:35] <HcE> =)
[09:35] <Mithrandir> Italy was a little more than a month ago.
[09:35] <Mithrandir> more like two, actually
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=== HcE observes that it rains outside
[09:36] <HcE> nothing like a realy good norwegian winter
[09:37] <Mithrandir> this isn't a norwegian winter, it's a winter in Trondheim.
[09:37] <Mithrandir> which is a totally different thing
[09:37] <HcE> hihi
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[09:37] <stockholm> lifeless: ?
[09:37] <stockholm> mdz: ?
=== Keybuk explains to stockholm about timezones :p
[09:38] <Treenaks> Keybuk: stockholm is in GMT+1 just like you Keybuk :)
[09:40] <stockholm> Keybuk: i dont know in which timezone he is now. please tell me.
[09:40] <Keybuk> Spanish
[09:40] <Keybuk> Europe/Madrid
[09:40] <stockholm> Keybuk: so, what does that tell me?
[09:41] <thom> that he's probably in BED
[09:41] <stockholm> WHAT???
[09:41] <stockholm> thom: get real
[09:41] <stockholm> why would he be in bed now?
[09:41] <thom> because he's ILL and WORKING TOO HARD
[09:42] <stockholm> if he came to spain, is ill and works still to hard he needs a cluebat.
[09:43] <stockholm> thx, anyway.
[09:43] <thom> what planet are you from? it's a WORK CONFERENCE
[09:43] <daniels> christ, dude.
[09:43] <daniels> he has to be here for work, and he really is quite sick
[09:43] <stockholm> thom: earth. and i got my "how do i keep healthy" basis down all right.
[09:44] <Kamion> stockholm: you're being really unpleasant here
[09:44] <stockholm> sorry, i did not want to. 
[09:44] <Kamion> don't use this channel to hassle people.
[09:44] <stockholm> i did not want to, sorry.
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[09:44] <daniels> anyway, mdz hangs out in #debian-devel also, last I checked
=== fabbione preload the sodomotron
[09:45] <fabbione> argh too late
[09:45] <fabbione> ;)
[09:45] <Keybuk> s'ok, I could do with a good buggering; load it up!
=== Kamion readjusts stockholm's social skills :-/
[09:45] <Kamion> depressing, that
=== thom decides to sleep on the beach for the rest fo the conference
[09:45] <Mithrandir> thom: oh, why?
[09:45] <Keybuk> Kamion: he's been a bit "ARE WE THERE YET?" about that mail
[09:45] <smurfix_> thom: BRRR.
[09:46] <Kamion> Keybuk: yeah, just inhaled scrollback and saw that
[09:46] <daniels> thom: good plan
[09:46] <thom> see Keybuk's previous comment
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[10:01] <daniels> igood lord
[10:04] <daniels> thom: .157/~daniels/dbus/
[10:04] <kylem> gah. is that daniels?
[10:05] <Mithrandir> yeah, he needs a shave
[10:05] <daniels> aye
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[10:05] <shaya> so anyone home?
[10:06] <azeem> I am
[10:06] <shaya> anyone run bootlog
[10:06] <shaya> it doesn't seem accurate
[10:06] <smurfix_> shaya: in what way?
[10:07] <shaya> well by wallclock from hitting enter at grub till I could log in was about 1 minute 10 seconds
[10:07] <shaya> bootlog counts only 14 seconds
[10:07] <shaya> and it was deffinitly more than 14 seconds of rc scripts
[10:08] <smurfix_> So is stuff missing, or just time compression?
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[10:10] <shaya> it doesn't look like naything per sei is missing
[10:10] <shaya> but boot takes longer than 14 seconds
[10:11] <shaya> has anyone given though to parallelizing the boot?  i.e. have gdm launching while dhcp is going
[10:11] <Keybuk> are you sure bootchart hasn't stuck itself at the start of rc2.d
[10:11] <Mithrandir> shaya: yes, read planet for the last few days.
[10:11] <Keybuk> (thus excluding rcS.d)
[10:11] <shaya> Mithrandir: no, it's in /etc/init.d/rc
[10:12] <smurfix_> shaya: that doesn't answer the question
[10:12] <shaya> hmm
[10:12] <shaya> basically the processes it has
[10:13] <shaya> init 2 ; ksoftirqd/0 ; events/0 ; khelper ; kjournald ; udevd ; bootlogd ; rc 2 ; s13gdm ; gdm S20pcmcia
[10:14] <shaya> and some more
[10:14] <shaya> so perhaps just getting rc2?
[10:14] <smurfix_> That does look like rcS is missing.
[10:14] <smurfix_> look at /etc/rcS.d and rc2.d
[10:15] <shaya>   # Log performance data
[10:15] <shaya>   /etc/bootchart/bootlog start >/dev/null 2>&1 &
[10:15] <shaya> is right after export runlelvel previous in /etc/init.d/rc
[10:15] <Kamion> /etc/init.d/rc doesn't handle rcS
[10:15] <smurfix_> init.d/rc is called twice
[10:15] <smurfix_> or that
[10:15] <shaya> hmm
[10:16] <shaya> so bootchart's debian patch is broken
[10:16] <smurfix_> put it in /etc/rcS.d/S00bootlog
[10:16] <smurfix_> or bootchart or whatever the package's name is
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[10:17] <shaya> ok
[10:17] <shaya> time to reboot and try it
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[10:24] <Kamion> whoa, scary flickering lights in my room
=== Kamion suspects we're overloading the power infrastructure a bit
[10:24] <Kamion> (although that in itself is scary)
[10:24] <jdub> hrm, that happened when i plugged in while in lamont's room last night?
[10:25] <jdub> s/\/$//
[10:25] <jdub> bong
[10:25] <Kamion> it happens when I plug anything in, but it just happened considerably more flickerily than that
[10:25] <jdub> whatever
[10:25] <Kamion> with added power-arcing noise
[10:25] <Kamion> maybe somebody brought an s390 along or something
[10:26] <daniels> heh
[10:26] <jdub> i have a special model x390
[10:26] <jdub> it's an s390 in x300 format
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[10:27] <Kamion> but I can simulate that in hercules, so it must suck
=== sid77 hi
[10:27] <Mithrandir> Kamion: do you simulate the power consumption as well?
[10:28] <Kamion> maybe that's my problem
[10:28] <ChrisH> Is anyone else aware about the "trying to overwrite `/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu', which is also in package kdelibs-data" problem in gnome-menus?
[10:28] <ChrisH> My dist-upgrade is stuck. :(
[10:28] <Kamion> I think it's been filed, but check bugzilla
[10:29] <ChrisH> I filed it, too. Just wondered when this bug came along.
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[10:29] <shaya> well just reran it w/ it at s00 in rcS
[10:29] <shaya> didnt make a difference
[10:29] <shaya> still 14 seconds
[10:29] <shaya> actually 13
[10:30] <shaya> http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~spotter/bootchart.png
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[10:32] <RubenV> shaya: my guess is that it starts too late
[10:32] <shaya> it's S00 in rcS
[10:32] <RubenV> don't run it like that
[10:32] <shaya> how can it start earlier!
[10:32] <RubenV> install it with the rc patch
[10:32] <shaya> it is
[10:32] <shaya> its there too
[10:32] <RubenV> you start it twice?
[10:32] <shaya> thats how it was installed
[10:32] <shaya> spotter@dent:/tmp $ grep bootlog /etc/init.d/rc
[10:32] <shaya>   /etc/bootchart/bootlog start >/dev/null 2>&1 &
[10:33] <shaya> actually it was installed at s05
[10:33] <shaya> I moved it to s00
[10:33] <shaya> I can remove the s00
[10:33] <RubenV> bootlogd != bootchart
[10:34] <shaya> hmm
[10:34] <shaya> good point
[10:34] <shaya> lets move bootlogd back
[10:35] <shaya> guess I got confused b/c of bootchart's program nam
[10:35] <shaya> but that just shows its in /etc/init.d/rc
[10:36] <RubenV> if it's at the right place in rc, then it should start a bit earlier afaik
[10:36] <RubenV> but i'm not that familiar with bootchart, sry
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[10:37] <Kinnison> Evening
[10:38] <shaya> whatever
[10:38] <shaya> not going to worry about it for now
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[10:45] <Tsjoklat> night all.. be good!
[10:45] <robtaylor|mataro> Kinnison, evening!
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[10:46] <Simira> evnin Kinnison. Wish my good luck for my exam tomorrow! Reading did not go too well.
[10:47] <Kinnison> heyhi
[10:47] <Kinnison> Simira: You'll do great.
=== Kinnison hugs Simira 
[10:47] <Simira> thanks, needed that hug!
[10:49] <Simira> have a nice conference tomorrow. :) I'l be online crying sometime after one o'clock
=== Mithrandir waves good night
[10:50] <Kinnison> Mithrandir: You off to sleep?
[10:50] <Mithrandir> yeah, and exam for me too tomorrow.
[10:50] <Mithrandir> it'll be fine
[10:50] <Kinnison> Mithrandir: eep; *hugs* for you too
[10:50] <Mithrandir> my last exam but one. :)
[10:50] <Mithrandir> thanks :)
[10:50] <Mithrandir> see you around
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[10:54] <Q-FUNK> I seem to get stuck at the "Loading /install/vmlinuz...." prompt on i386.  as I'm not otherwise too familiar with d-i, any idea what could cause this?
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[10:55] <Kamion> that's not really even d-i, that's the kernel loading
[10:55] <Kamion> bah
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[11:15] <mxpxpod> I know this has probably been asked a million times, but when do we get to see the results of the mataro boot changes?
[11:16] <Kamion> some of them have gone into hoary already; I guess it's whenever Scott and Thom get round to tidying each of the bits up and uploading them :)
[11:17] <mxpxpod> ok
[11:17] <daniels> ok, dbus cvs uploaded, dbus-mono (which is a rather freakshow horror hack to break it out into a separate source package) is uploaded and in NEW
[11:17] <daniels> Kamion: gdm will probably hit tomorrow, X in a couple of days
[11:17] <Kamion> Scott and Thom> ... and whoever else I shamefully forgot :)
[11:18] <daniels> heh :)
=== Kamion does some less glamorous tidying-up of man-db instead
[11:18] <mxpxpod> daniels: btw, good work
[11:18] <daniels> just saying yeah, it will all hopefully be in during the week
[11:18] <daniels> mxpxpod: cheers
[11:18] <daniels> sleep
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[11:30] <Keybuk> yeah, I've got to tweak my stuff a bit more yet
[11:30] <Keybuk> there's about 10 or so packages to touch