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| plovs | jiyuu0, awake? | 02:16 |
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| jiyuu0 | yub | 02:16 |
| jiyuu0 | it's 9:17am | 02:17 |
| plovs | ok, i am just replying to you on the mailing-list :0) | 02:24 |
| plovs | about your license question | 02:24 |
| jiyuu0 | john? | 02:25 |
| plovs | no i am alex | 02:25 |
| jiyuu0 | ok | 02:25 |
| plovs | john is hornbeck online, but he's not here | 02:26 |
| jiyuu0 | oh | 02:26 |
| plovs | i liked your site, well done | 02:26 |
| jiyuu0 | thanks :) | 02:26 |
| plovs | you like using ubuntu? | 02:27 |
| jiyuu0 | yub | 02:28 |
| jiyuu0 | nice | 02:28 |
| jiyuu0 | i like it to be neat and light | 02:28 |
| plovs | yes i like that as well | 02:28 |
| plovs | i am running hoary atm the new version, it is going to be really nice | 02:29 |
| plovs | we are in barcelona at the ubuntu conference with many of the developers | 02:29 |
| jiyuu0 | my colleague has tried it before... seems quite a number of improvement on the networkin side | 02:30 |
| jiyuu0 | right click -> share | 02:30 |
| jiyuu0 | ubuntu conference... nice | 02:31 |
| jiyuu0 | how many ppl attending? | 02:31 |
| plovs | the first week we had some 50 people, next week there will be more | 02:33 |
| plovs | i will not be there i go home tomorow :-( | 02:33 |
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| jiyuu0 | so what u all do doing the conference? | 02:34 |
| plovs | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConfAgenda | 02:35 |
| plovs | all kinds of things | 02:35 |
| sivang | we've had a couple of documentation oriented bofs, | 02:35 |
| sivang | look for the summeris | 02:35 |
| sivang | on the wiki | 02:35 |
| plovs | talking about what is needed, trying to get new stuff implemented | 02:35 |
| === jiyuu0 checking... | ||
| plovs | sivang, was there as well, we share a room actually, he is 2 meters away | 02:36 |
| jiyuu0 | seems like lot's of activities | 02:39 |
| sivang | :) | 02:40 |
| plovs | yes, we hope the next ubuntu will be even better | 02:40 |
| sivang | yeah it was a very loaded week | 02:40 |
| sivang | and will include LOTS of new good documentation | 02:40 |
| plovs | jiyuu0, what kind of club are you thinking about starting? | 02:43 |
| jiyuu0 | open source community club | 02:43 |
| jiyuu0 | for now we are going to promote ubuntu | 02:43 |
| jiyuu0 | targetin our next generation to learn open source / linux | 02:44 |
| plovs | cool! | 02:44 |
| jiyuu0 | here in malaysia, we are still new in these things | 02:45 |
| plovs | did you order cd's? | 02:45 |
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| hornbeck | hello | 02:45 |
| jiyuu0 | but our government has start initiative | 02:45 |
| jiyuu0 | plovs, yub 5k of em | 02:45 |
| jiyuu0 | hello hornbeck | 02:45 |
| jiyuu0 | just got ur mail | 02:45 |
| plovs | hornbeck, he man, nice to see you! | 02:45 |
| hornbeck | hello, I just sent another :-) | 02:45 |
| === jiyuu0 checkin... | ||
| plovs | jiyuu0, 5k, cool! | 02:45 |
| jiyuu0 | for a start | 02:46 |
| plovs | hornbeck, tomorrow we go home, but the conference was great | 02:46 |
| jiyuu0 | this coming week going to a big college... college helping us to push.. | 02:46 |
| jiyuu0 | and they have 4k students | 02:46 |
| jiyuu0 | eeeks | 02:46 |
| hornbeck | plovs: glad to hear it | 02:47 |
| plovs | maybe you should try to get government funding | 02:47 |
| jiyuu0 | ya... maybe later stage | 02:47 |
| jiyuu0 | for now... we can still manage | 02:47 |
| jiyuu0 | we got some funds allocated | 02:47 |
| plovs | hornbeck, did sb tell you about the quick guide? | 02:48 |
| hornbeck | sb? | 02:48 |
| plovs | hornbeck, somebody | 02:48 |
| hornbeck | no | 02:48 |
| hornbeck | what is the quick guide? | 02:49 |
| sivang | yo hornbeck dude! | 02:49 |
| plovs | hornbeck, for hoary, they would like a guide, 6000 pages | 02:49 |
| sivang | where have ya been ?? :) | 02:49 |
| jiyuu0 | hornbeck, wehre i can get info on lgpl? | 02:49 |
| sivang | gnu.org | 02:49 |
| sivang | basically | 02:49 |
| jiyuu0 | ok | 02:49 |
| hornbeck | sivang: I have been working | 02:49 |
| hornbeck | new job | 02:50 |
| plovs | hornbeck, introductionary for new users, info about all major apps, plus what is new and cool | 02:50 |
| sivang | ah right so I heared :) congretulations@ | 02:50 |
| sivang | ! | 02:50 |
| plovs | hornbeck, how is the new job? | 02:50 |
| hornbeck | plovs: 6000 words? | 02:50 |
| hornbeck | plovs: new job is rocking | 02:50 |
| hornbeck | just ordered a 12inch ibook | 02:50 |
| hornbeck | boss bought it so I can learn mac | 02:50 |
| hornbeck | so things are going real good | 02:50 |
| hornbeck | :-) | 02:50 |
| plovs | hornbeck, cool! mac is pretty nice, but i bet you'll dual boot oon enough, i know i would if i could | 02:51 |
| hornbeck | plovs: is there a outline for this new guide yet? | 02:51 |
| plovs | hornbeck, yes 6000 words, that is not a lot. And our dead-line is feb 2005 | 02:52 |
| hornbeck | is there a outline? | 02:52 |
| plovs | hornbeck, yes i have an outline i will mail it to you | 02:52 |
| hornbeck | good | 02:52 |
| hornbeck | I can start if I have a outline | 02:52 |
| === plovs tarring and mailing | ||
| hornbeck | are we still working on the main userguide? | 02:52 |
| jiyuu0 | lpgl http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.html so long to read :( | 02:53 |
| hornbeck | jiyuu0: yes it is long | 02:53 |
| plovs | jiyuu0, you'll be really smart by the time you finish it | 02:53 |
| jiyuu0 | oh boy | 02:54 |
| hornbeck | man people have been dropping from the mailing list fast | 02:55 |
| hornbeck | I have had at least 5 unsubscribes today | 02:55 |
| plovs | hornbeck, to gmail or freeshell? | 02:57 |
| plovs | hornbeck, from the doc-list? | 02:57 |
| hornbeck | freeshell | 02:58 |
| hornbeck | my postfix broke in hoary, so I am having to use gmail to send out | 02:58 |
| plovs | hornbeck, ok | 02:59 |
| plovs | hornbeck, ok, send it | 03:01 |
| plovs | hornbeck, did thay unsubscribe from the doc-list? | 03:01 |
| hornbeck | yes | 03:01 |
| hornbeck | plovs: are we still doing the regular userguide? | 03:01 |
| plovs | yes, bigger and more deep material | 03:02 |
| plovs | but for the quick guide we have a deadline | 03:02 |
| hornbeck | ok | 03:03 |
| jiyuu0 | u guys ubuntu staff? | 03:03 |
| hornbeck | plovs and I are maintainers, but noone on the doc team is paid | 03:04 |
| hornbeck | at least not yet :-) | 03:04 |
| jiyuu0 | so who set the deadlines? | 03:04 |
| hornbeck | the devs | 03:04 |
| hornbeck | I am guessing | 03:04 |
| jiyuu0 | ic | 03:04 |
| hornbeck | I was not there | 03:04 |
| plovs | yes, so the translators can finish it in time as well | 03:04 |
| plovs | they really want this in the system | 03:05 |
| hornbeck | plovs: which file is the quick guide | 03:05 |
| plovs | userguide | 03:05 |
| hornbeck | inside quick it is empty | 03:05 |
| hornbeck | ahh | 03:05 |
| hornbeck | ok, plovs: I will start working with this | 03:05 |
| hornbeck | are you going to create another directory inside the svn and upload this | 03:06 |
| hornbeck | > | 03:06 |
| hornbeck | ? | 03:06 |
| plovs | hornbeck, could you clean up the thing and put it in svn? | 03:06 |
| hornbeck | yes | 03:06 |
| hornbeck | I will do that now | 03:06 |
| plovs | and rename it to quickguide | 03:06 |
| hornbeck | I will be away for a sec | 03:06 |
| plovs | ok | 03:06 |
| plovs | jiyuu0, did you ever do any docbook? | 03:07 |
| jiyuu0 | nope | 03:07 |
| plovs | it is not hard, but that is what we use for our docs, would you be interested in helping? | 03:08 |
| jiyuu0 | sure | 03:08 |
| jiyuu0 | but i'm still kindof stuck with the existing guide | 03:08 |
| plovs | you might want to look how you can put it into the userguide and then export that to html and post it | 03:10 |
| plovs | to your site as well | 03:10 |
| jiyuu0 | sure will | 03:10 |
| jiyuu0 | currently some ppl r already workin on translation | 03:10 |
| plovs | john send you the svn link right? | 03:10 |
| jiyuu0 | yes | 03:11 |
| plovs | what do you think would you agree putting it in docbook and then put it in svn? | 03:12 |
| plovs | it is kind of a cool short hackerguide | 03:13 |
| plovs | between the quickguide we do now and the real userguide we're working on as well | 03:13 |
| hornbeck | it is all added | 03:14 |
| hornbeck | just needs some cleaning | 03:14 |
| plovs | hornbeck, super | 03:14 |
| plovs | hornbeck, i like jiyuu0 guide, it is quite short but with lots of stuff | 03:14 |
| hornbeck | I love it | 03:14 |
| hornbeck | that is why I posted about it | 03:15 |
| hornbeck | :-) | 03:15 |
| plovs | we should have it in yelp | 03:15 |
| hornbeck | yes we should | 03:15 |
| plovs | that together with the quickguide might give us a good base | 03:15 |
| jiyuu0 | reading the license half way... these things really want to confuse ppl | 03:15 |
| hornbeck | I think we should wait till the repository is moved before adding to svn though | 03:15 |
| plovs | jiyuu0, what do you think? | 03:15 |
| jiyuu0 | ok | 03:16 |
| jiyuu0 | sounds good to me | 03:16 |
| hornbeck | jiyuu0: I am glad you are a easy going guy :-) | 03:16 |
| hornbeck | I would have flipped on some of the post about your guide | 03:16 |
| jiyuu0 | i'm glad ubuntu community is easy on me | 03:16 |
| jiyuu0 | unlike others | 03:16 |
| plovs | jiyuu0, most of us are | 03:16 |
| hornbeck | ubuntu is a good community, that is why I am here | 03:16 |
| plovs | at least we try | 03:17 |
| jiyuu0 | true | 03:17 |
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| hornbeck | brb, need a drink | 03:17 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, he corey, where are you? | 03:17 |
| Burgundavia_ | busy working on doc. I am not feeling very well | 03:18 |
| jiyuu0 | then u shud take some rest... | 03:18 |
| Burgundavia_ | I just did some prelim work on the quick guid | 03:18 |
| jiyuu0 | it's sun | 03:18 |
| Burgundavia_ | I slept most of the day | 03:18 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, the quick guide is in svn :-) | 03:18 |
| Burgundavia_ | ok, I will pull it down | 03:19 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, so we can start to collaborate on it | 03:19 |
| === jiyuu0 installing subversion... haven tried it b4 | ||
| plovs | and i will make an initial version of jiyuu0's fabulous guide as well, in docbook i mean | 03:20 |
| Burgundavia_ | is it under quickguide or quick? | 03:20 |
| jiyuu0 | and i'll keep a change log from my side to ease what's been updated | 03:21 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, ask john, when he is back | 03:22 |
| plovs | jiyuu0, cool, and when we have it ported you can maybe work with us in svn | 03:22 |
| jiyuu0 | sure | 03:22 |
| plovs | docbook can be exported to html and look just like it does now | 03:22 |
| Burgundavia_ | ok | 03:22 |
| Burgundavia_ | It is under to same server as the faq? | 03:22 |
| jiyuu0 | svn co http://69.155.172.150/faq | 03:22 |
| jiyuu0 | where's the documents stored | 03:23 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, the server is the same, just another folder | 03:23 |
| plovs | so not faq but ?? i don't know | 03:23 |
| plovs | just a sec | 03:23 |
| === jiyuu0 found the solution | ||
| jiyuu0 | this yelp thin seems cool | 03:25 |
| plovs | jiyuu0, try to open the file in the faq directory with yelp | 03:26 |
| Burgundavia_ | Regarding the quick guide, I had a though that at the beginning of the section on each piece of software, we could have a section on common tasks, such as save and open | 03:26 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, remember 6000 words, that is not much, and not too many pics | 03:26 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, we should start describing what app to use for what, and then see how much pace we have left | 03:27 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, longer articles should go in the userguide | 03:27 |
| sivang | we should try to make it task oriented in a sense that doesn't emphasizes the menu inteface action, but rather "write a letter", "publish a photo sort of thing" | 03:27 |
| hornbeck | well, good to talk to you guys but I am going to a movie | 03:29 |
| hornbeck | I will be on and working on the new guide so keep your svn updated | 03:29 |
| hornbeck | later | 03:29 |
| plovs | hornbeck, wait, what is the link to the quick guide? | 03:30 |
| hornbeck | http://69.155.172.150/faq | 03:31 |
| hornbeck | same svn repos | 03:31 |
| hornbeck | just under quickguide | 03:32 |
| hornbeck | I thought you wanted it in the same | 03:32 |
| hornbeck | I can create a different one | 03:32 |
| plovs | hornbeck, ok, thanks, have a nice movie! | 03:32 |
| hornbeck | do you want it seperate? | 03:32 |
| plovs | hornbeck, just being dense on this side, no problem | 03:32 |
| hornbeck | ok | 03:32 |
| plovs | :-) | 03:32 |
| hornbeck | that way we can move the quickguide stuff into the userguide as we go | 03:33 |
| hornbeck | since they will hold alot of the same info | 03:33 |
| hornbeck | all in one place | 03:33 |
| plovs | hornbeck, cool | 03:34 |
| plovs | and the new faq2 as well (current working title for jiyuu0's doc) | 03:34 |
| jiyuu0 | :) | 03:35 |
| jiyuu0 | i've started workin on 2.1 | 03:35 |
| Burgundavia_ | plovs, are going to upload that quickguide mockup you made into there? | 03:35 |
| jiyuu0 | re-arranged some topics | 03:35 |
| jiyuu0 | it shouldn't be a problem for u right? | 03:35 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, it is in the link a little up under quickguide | 03:36 |
| hornbeck | plovs: lets hold on the new repositories till we move to the ubuntu server | 03:36 |
| hornbeck | right now we will keep quickguide in the faq directory | 03:36 |
| plovs | hornbeck, yes, as that is not going to be too soon anyway | 03:36 |
| hornbeck | right | 03:36 |
| plovs | there is some new super-duper arch tool cannical made and we might be using that but i want a course first :-) | 03:37 |
| plovs | and we'll get one (online) in januari | 03:37 |
| hornbeck | nice | 03:37 |
| plovs | jiyuu0, no problem, we can finalize details later | 03:38 |
| jiyuu0 | ok | 03:38 |
| Burgundavia_ | plovs, I don't see any .xml file in the dir quickguide | 03:38 |
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| hornbeck | later | 03:40 |
| Burgundavia_ | cya | 03:40 |
| plovs | hornbeck, seeya! | 03:40 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, it is in the faq topdir | 03:44 |
| Burgundavia_ | I see users guide | 03:50 |
| Burgundavia_ | I also dont see it under the quickguide dir | 03:50 |
| plovs | it is the userguide, it needs to be renamed | 03:52 |
| Burgundavia_ | ah, ok | 03:52 |
| Burgundavia_ | ah I see, it has undergone some major rethinking in the last few day | 03:53 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, i tink it is a misstake | 04:00 |
| plovs | i think he dumped it in the wrong folder | 04:00 |
| Burgundavia_ | is the usersguide.xml the users or the quick guide then? | 04:04 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, it is spagetti atm, i need to sleep goodnight! | 04:06 |
| Burgundavia_ | ok | 04:06 |
| Burgundavia_ | see you tomorrow | 04:07 |
| plovs | :-) | 04:07 |
| jiyuu0 | nite | 04:07 |
| plovs | jiyuu0, nite | 04:08 |
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| hornbeck | anyone around? | 06:15 |
| hornbeck | going to bed | 07:25 |
| hornbeck | night | 07:25 |
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| Burgundavia_ | hornbeck, ? | 01:53 |
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| === sid77 hi | ||
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| Kinnison | Evening | 10:38 |
| ChrisH | Kinnison: Hi... | 10:41 |
| ChrisH | Kinnison: No Marina for today? :) | 10:47 |
| Kinnison | ChrisH: we ate out at around 5 and then ate a pizza while playing Mao | 10:47 |
| ChrisH | Kinnison: Ah, second mega-BOF day, eh? | 10:47 |
| Kinnison | Naah; just breaking in another virgin | 10:48 |
| === Kinnison should get a doc-team member to write out a transcript of a game of Mao | ||
| ChrisH | I don't whether pl0vs or sivang have taken part in any game. :) | 10:50 |
| Kinnison | sivang has | 10:50 |
| ChrisH | They have probably left today. | 10:51 |
| Kinnison | sivang certainly left today | 10:56 |
| === Kinnison got him to promise to teach me hebrew | ||
| ChrisH | Kinnison: You are really into languages. :) | 10:56 |
| === Kinnison nods | ||
| === Kinnison has been learning | ||
| Kinnison | He was impressed that I had managed to learn to spell "" | 10:57 |
| Kinnison | Which is 'moon' in hebrew | 10:57 |
| ChrisH | Wife just reminded me that you asked for the tongue twister... | 10:58 |
| ChrisH | "Fischers Fritze fischt frische Fische." | 10:58 |
| ChrisH | The other one is "Der Whiskey-Mixer mixt wrzigen Whiskey." :) | 10:58 |
| Kinnison | Okay; so I think the first means "Fischer's frying place use fresh fish" or something | 11:00 |
| Kinnison | The latter confuses me :-) | 11:00 |
| Kinnison | although I appear to be able to pronounce them both :-) | 11:00 |
| ChrisH | It's like "Fishers Fritze (a name) fishes for fresh fish." | 11:01 |
| Kinnison | Right | 11:05 |
| ChrisH | The other one is "The whiskey mixer mixes spicy whiskey." | 11:15 |
| ChrisH | Another one from my wife: "Zwischen zwei Zwetschgenzweigen zwitschern zwei zwitschernde Schwalben." Just don't ask me for a translation. That one is for exercise. :) | 11:15 |
| Kinnison | heh | 11:19 |
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