[02:16] <plovs> jiyuu0, awake?
[02:16] <jiyuu0> yub
[02:17] <jiyuu0> it's 9:17am
[02:24] <plovs> ok, i am just replying to you on the mailing-list :0)
[02:24] <plovs> about your license question
[02:25] <jiyuu0> john?
[02:25] <plovs> no i am alex
[02:25] <jiyuu0> ok
[02:26] <plovs> john is hornbeck online, but he's not here
[02:26] <jiyuu0> oh
[02:26] <plovs> i liked your site, well done
[02:26] <jiyuu0> thanks :)
[02:27] <plovs> you like using ubuntu?
[02:28] <jiyuu0> yub
[02:28] <jiyuu0> nice
[02:28] <jiyuu0> i like it to be neat and light
[02:28] <plovs> yes i like that as well
[02:29] <plovs> i am running hoary atm the new version, it is going to be really nice
[02:29] <plovs> we are in barcelona at the ubuntu conference with many of the developers
[02:30] <jiyuu0> my colleague has tried it before... seems quite a number of improvement on the networkin side
[02:30] <jiyuu0> right click -> share
[02:31] <jiyuu0> ubuntu conference... nice
[02:31] <jiyuu0> how many ppl attending?
[02:33] <plovs> the first week we had some 50 people, next week there will be more
[02:33] <plovs> i will not be there i go home tomorow :-(
[02:34] <jiyuu0> so what u all do doing the conference?
[02:35] <plovs> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConfAgenda
[02:35] <plovs> all kinds of things
[02:35] <sivang> we've had a couple of documentation oriented bofs,
[02:35] <sivang> look for the summeris 
[02:35] <sivang> on the wiki
[02:35] <plovs> talking about what is needed, trying to get new stuff implemented
[02:36] <plovs> sivang, was there as well, we share a room actually, he is 2 meters away
[02:39] <jiyuu0> seems like lot's of activities
[02:40] <sivang> :)
[02:40] <plovs> yes, we hope the next ubuntu will be even better
[02:40] <sivang> yeah it was a very loaded week
[02:40] <sivang> and will include LOTS of new good documentation
[02:43] <plovs> jiyuu0, what kind of club are you thinking about starting?
[02:43] <jiyuu0> open source community club
[02:43] <jiyuu0> for now we are going to promote ubuntu
[02:44] <jiyuu0> targetin our next generation to learn open source / linux
[02:44] <plovs> cool!
[02:45] <jiyuu0> here in malaysia, we are still new in these things
[02:45] <plovs> did you order cd's?
[02:45] <hornbeck> hello
[02:45] <jiyuu0> but our government has start initiative
[02:45] <jiyuu0> plovs, yub 5k of em
[02:45] <jiyuu0> hello hornbeck
[02:45] <jiyuu0> just got ur mail
[02:45] <plovs> hornbeck, he man, nice to see you!
[02:45] <hornbeck> hello, I just sent another :-)
[02:45] <plovs> jiyuu0, 5k, cool!
[02:46] <jiyuu0> for a start
[02:46] <plovs> hornbeck, tomorrow we go home, but the conference was great
[02:46] <jiyuu0> this coming week going to a big college... college helping us to push..
[02:46] <jiyuu0> and they have 4k students
[02:46] <jiyuu0> eeeks
[02:47] <hornbeck> plovs: glad to hear it
[02:47] <plovs> maybe you should try to get government funding
[02:47] <jiyuu0> ya... maybe later stage
[02:47] <jiyuu0> for now... we can still manage
[02:47] <jiyuu0> we got some funds allocated
[02:48] <plovs> hornbeck, did sb tell you about the quick guide?
[02:48] <hornbeck> sb?
[02:48] <plovs> hornbeck, somebody
[02:48] <hornbeck> no
[02:49] <hornbeck> what is the quick guide?
[02:49] <sivang> yo hornbeck dude!
[02:49] <plovs> hornbeck, for hoary, they would like a guide, 6000 pages
[02:49] <sivang> where have ya been ?? :)
[02:49] <jiyuu0> hornbeck, wehre i can get info on lgpl?
[02:49] <sivang> gnu.org
[02:49] <sivang> basically
[02:49] <jiyuu0> ok
[02:49] <hornbeck> sivang: I have been working
[02:50] <hornbeck> new job
[02:50] <plovs> hornbeck, introductionary for new users, info about all major apps, plus what is new and cool
[02:50] <sivang> ah right so I heared :) congretulations@
[02:50] <sivang> !
[02:50] <plovs> hornbeck, how is the new job?
[02:50] <hornbeck> plovs: 6000 words?
[02:50] <hornbeck> plovs: new job is rocking
[02:50] <hornbeck> just ordered a 12inch ibook
[02:50] <hornbeck> boss bought it so I can learn mac
[02:50] <hornbeck> so things are going real good
[02:50] <hornbeck> :-)
[02:51] <plovs> hornbeck, cool! mac is pretty nice, but i bet you'll dual boot oon enough, i know i would if i could
[02:51] <hornbeck> plovs: is there a outline for this new guide yet?
[02:52] <plovs> hornbeck, yes 6000 words, that is not a lot. And our dead-line is feb 2005
[02:52] <hornbeck> is there a outline?
[02:52] <plovs> hornbeck, yes i have an outline i will mail it to you
[02:52] <hornbeck> good
[02:52] <hornbeck> I can start if I have a outline
[02:52] <hornbeck> are we still working on the main userguide?
[02:53] <jiyuu0> lpgl http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.html so long to read :(
[02:53] <hornbeck> jiyuu0: yes it is long
[02:53] <plovs> jiyuu0, you'll be really smart by the time you finish it
[02:54] <jiyuu0> oh boy
[02:55] <hornbeck> man people have been dropping from the mailing list fast
[02:55] <hornbeck> I have had at least 5 unsubscribes today
[02:57] <plovs> hornbeck, to gmail or freeshell?
[02:57] <plovs> hornbeck, from the doc-list?
[02:58] <hornbeck> freeshell
[02:58] <hornbeck> my postfix broke in hoary, so I am having to use gmail to send out
[02:59] <plovs> hornbeck, ok
[03:01] <plovs> hornbeck, ok, send it
[03:01] <plovs> hornbeck, did thay unsubscribe from the doc-list?
[03:01] <hornbeck> yes
[03:01] <hornbeck> plovs: are we still doing the regular userguide?
[03:02] <plovs> yes, bigger and more deep material
[03:02] <plovs> but for the quick guide we have a deadline
[03:03] <hornbeck> ok
[03:03] <jiyuu0> u guys ubuntu staff?
[03:04] <hornbeck> plovs and I are maintainers, but noone on the doc team is paid
[03:04] <hornbeck> at least not yet :-)
[03:04] <jiyuu0> so who set the deadlines?
[03:04] <hornbeck> the devs
[03:04] <hornbeck> I am guessing
[03:04] <jiyuu0> ic
[03:04] <hornbeck> I was not there
[03:04] <plovs> yes, so the translators can finish it in time as well
[03:05] <plovs> they really want this in the system
[03:05] <hornbeck> plovs: which file is the quick guide
[03:05] <plovs> userguide
[03:05] <hornbeck> inside quick it is empty
[03:05] <hornbeck> ahh
[03:05] <hornbeck> ok, plovs: I will start working with this
[03:06] <hornbeck> are you going to create another directory inside the svn and upload this
[03:06] <hornbeck> >
[03:06] <hornbeck> ?
[03:06] <plovs> hornbeck, could you clean up the thing and put it in svn?
[03:06] <hornbeck> yes
[03:06] <hornbeck> I will do that now
[03:06] <plovs> and rename it to quickguide
[03:06] <hornbeck> I will be away for a sec
[03:06] <plovs> ok
[03:07] <plovs> jiyuu0, did you ever do any docbook?
[03:07] <jiyuu0> nope
[03:08] <plovs> it is not hard, but that is what we use for our docs, would you be interested in helping?
[03:08] <jiyuu0> sure
[03:08] <jiyuu0> but i'm still kindof stuck with the existing guide
[03:10] <plovs> you might want to look how you can put it into the userguide and then export that to html and post it
[03:10] <plovs> to your site as well
[03:10] <jiyuu0> sure will
[03:10] <jiyuu0> currently some ppl r already workin on translation
[03:10] <plovs> john send you the svn link right?
[03:11] <jiyuu0> yes
[03:12] <plovs> what do you think would you agree putting it in docbook and then put it in svn?
[03:13] <plovs> it is kind of a cool short hackerguide
[03:13] <plovs> between the quickguide we do now and the real userguide we're working on as well
[03:14] <hornbeck> it is all added
[03:14] <hornbeck> just needs some cleaning
[03:14] <plovs> hornbeck, super
[03:14] <plovs> hornbeck, i like jiyuu0 guide, it is quite short but with lots of stuff
[03:14] <hornbeck> I love it
[03:15] <hornbeck> that is why I posted about it
[03:15] <hornbeck> :-)
[03:15] <plovs> we should have it in yelp
[03:15] <hornbeck> yes we should
[03:15] <plovs> that together with the quickguide might give us a good base
[03:15] <jiyuu0> reading the license half way... these things really want to confuse ppl
[03:15] <hornbeck> I think we should wait till the repository is moved before adding to svn though
[03:15] <plovs> jiyuu0, what do you think?
[03:16] <jiyuu0> ok
[03:16] <jiyuu0> sounds good to me
[03:16] <hornbeck> jiyuu0: I am glad you are a easy going guy :-)
[03:16] <hornbeck> I would have flipped on some of the post about your guide
[03:16] <jiyuu0> i'm glad ubuntu community is easy on me
[03:16] <jiyuu0> unlike others
[03:16] <plovs> jiyuu0, most of us are
[03:16] <hornbeck> ubuntu is a good community, that is why I am here
[03:17] <plovs> at least we try
[03:17] <jiyuu0> true
[03:17] <hornbeck> brb, need a drink
[03:17] <plovs> Burgundavia_, he corey, where are you?
[03:18] <Burgundavia_> busy working on doc. I am not feeling very well
[03:18] <jiyuu0> then u shud take some rest...
[03:18] <Burgundavia_> I just did some prelim work on the quick guid
[03:18] <jiyuu0> it's sun
[03:18] <Burgundavia_> I slept most of the day
[03:18] <plovs> Burgundavia_, the quick guide is in svn :-)
[03:19] <Burgundavia_> ok, I will pull it down
[03:19] <plovs> Burgundavia_, so we can start to collaborate on it
[03:20] <plovs> and i will make an initial version of jiyuu0's fabulous guide as well, in docbook i mean
[03:20] <Burgundavia_> is it under quickguide or quick?
[03:21] <jiyuu0> and i'll keep a change log from my side to ease what's been updated
[03:22] <plovs> Burgundavia_, ask john, when he is back
[03:22] <plovs> jiyuu0, cool, and when we have it ported you can maybe work with us in svn
[03:22] <jiyuu0> sure
[03:22] <plovs> docbook can be exported to html and look just like it does now
[03:22] <Burgundavia_> ok
[03:22] <Burgundavia_> It is under to same server as the faq?
[03:22] <jiyuu0> svn co http://69.155.172.150/faq
[03:23] <jiyuu0> where's the documents stored
[03:23] <plovs> Burgundavia_, the server is the same, just another folder
[03:23] <plovs> so not faq but ?? i don't know
[03:23] <plovs> just a sec
[03:25] <jiyuu0> this yelp thin seems cool
[03:26] <plovs> jiyuu0, try to open the file in the faq directory with yelp
[03:26] <Burgundavia_> Regarding the quick guide, I had a though that at the beginning of the section on each piece of software, we could have a section on common tasks, such as save and open
[03:26] <plovs> Burgundavia_, remember 6000 words, that is not much, and not too many pics
[03:27] <plovs> Burgundavia_, we should start describing what app to use for what, and then see how much pace we have left
[03:27] <plovs> Burgundavia_, longer articles should go in the userguide
[03:27] <sivang> we should try to make it task oriented in a sense that doesn't emphasizes the menu inteface action, but rather "write a letter", "publish a photo sort of thing"
[03:29] <hornbeck> well, good to talk to you guys but I am going to a movie
[03:29] <hornbeck> I will be on and working on the new guide so keep your svn updated
[03:29] <hornbeck> later
[03:30] <plovs> hornbeck, wait, what is the link to the quick guide?
[03:31] <hornbeck> http://69.155.172.150/faq
[03:31] <hornbeck> same svn repos
[03:32] <hornbeck> just under quickguide
[03:32] <hornbeck> I thought you wanted it in the same
[03:32] <hornbeck> I can create a different one
[03:32] <plovs> hornbeck, ok, thanks, have a nice movie!
[03:32] <hornbeck> do you want it seperate?
[03:32] <plovs> hornbeck, just being dense on this side, no problem
[03:32] <hornbeck> ok
[03:32] <plovs> :-)
[03:33] <hornbeck> that way we can move the quickguide stuff into the userguide as we go
[03:33] <hornbeck> since they will hold alot of the same info
[03:33] <hornbeck> all in one place
[03:34] <plovs> hornbeck, cool
[03:34] <plovs> and the new faq2 as well (current working title for jiyuu0's doc)
[03:35] <jiyuu0> :)
[03:35] <jiyuu0> i've started workin on 2.1
[03:35] <Burgundavia_> plovs, are going to upload that quickguide mockup you made into there?
[03:35] <jiyuu0> re-arranged some topics
[03:35] <jiyuu0> it shouldn't be a problem for u right?
[03:36] <plovs> Burgundavia_, it is in the link a little up under quickguide
[03:36] <hornbeck> plovs: lets hold on the new repositories till we move to the ubuntu server
[03:36] <hornbeck> right now we will keep quickguide in the faq directory
[03:36] <plovs> hornbeck, yes, as that is not going to be too soon anyway
[03:36] <hornbeck> right
[03:37] <plovs> there is some new super-duper arch tool cannical made and we might be using that but i want a course first :-)
[03:37] <plovs> and we'll get one (online) in januari
[03:37] <hornbeck> nice
[03:38] <plovs> jiyuu0, no problem, we can finalize details later
[03:38] <jiyuu0> ok
[03:38] <Burgundavia_> plovs, I don't see any .xml file in the dir quickguide
[03:40] <hornbeck> later
[03:40] <Burgundavia_> cya
[03:40] <plovs> hornbeck, seeya!
[03:44] <plovs> Burgundavia_, it is in the faq topdir
[03:50] <Burgundavia_> I see users guide
[03:50] <Burgundavia_> I also dont see it under the quickguide dir
[03:52] <plovs> it is the userguide, it needs to be renamed
[03:52] <Burgundavia_> ah, ok
[03:53] <Burgundavia_> ah I see, it has undergone some major rethinking in the last few day
[04:00] <plovs> Burgundavia_, i tink it is a misstake
[04:00] <plovs> i think he dumped it in the wrong folder
[04:04] <Burgundavia_> is the usersguide.xml the users or the quick guide then?
[04:06] <plovs> Burgundavia_, it is spagetti atm, i need to sleep goodnight!
[04:06] <Burgundavia_> ok
[04:07] <Burgundavia_> see you tomorrow
[04:07] <plovs> :-)
[04:07] <jiyuu0> nite
[04:08] <plovs> jiyuu0, nite
[06:15] <hornbeck> anyone around?
[07:25] <hornbeck> going to bed
[07:25] <hornbeck> night
[01:53] <Burgundavia_> hornbeck, ?
[10:38] <Kinnison> Evening
[10:41] <ChrisH> Kinnison: Hi...
[10:47] <ChrisH> Kinnison: No Marina for today? :)
[10:47] <Kinnison> ChrisH: we ate out at around 5 and then ate a pizza while playing Mao
[10:47] <ChrisH> Kinnison: Ah, second mega-BOF day, eh?
[10:48] <Kinnison> Naah; just breaking in another virgin
[10:50] <ChrisH> I don't whether pl0vs or sivang have taken part in any game. :)
[10:50] <Kinnison> sivang has
[10:51] <ChrisH> They have probably left today.
[10:56] <Kinnison> sivang certainly left today
[10:56] <ChrisH> Kinnison: You are really into languages. :)
[10:57] <Kinnison> He was impressed that I had managed to learn to spell ""
[10:57] <Kinnison> Which is 'moon' in hebrew
[10:58] <ChrisH> Wife just reminded me that you asked for the tongue twister...
[10:58] <ChrisH> "Fischers Fritze fischt frische Fische."
[10:58] <ChrisH> The other one is "Der Whiskey-Mixer mixt wrzigen Whiskey." :)
[11:00] <Kinnison> Okay; so I think the first means "Fischer's frying place use fresh fish" or something
[11:00] <Kinnison> The latter confuses me :-)
[11:00] <Kinnison> although I appear to be able to pronounce them both :-)
[11:01] <ChrisH> It's like "Fishers Fritze (a name) fishes for fresh fish."
[11:05] <Kinnison> Right
[11:15] <ChrisH> The other one is "The whiskey mixer mixes spicy whiskey."
[11:15] <ChrisH> Another one from my wife: "Zwischen zwei Zwetschgenzweigen zwitschern zwei zwitschernde Schwalben." Just don't ask me for a translation. That one is for exercise. :)
[11:19] <Kinnison> heh