[12:00] <calamari> Fwiffo: yeah.. I already have Warty and I don't want to have to delete everything to install Hoary
[12:00] <tomchuk> calamari: "sed -e 's/warty/hoary/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:00] <Fwiffo> calamari: you know you can just upgrade right?
[12:00] <GotD0t> hes prob on dial up
[12:01] <calamari> I realize it can be downloaded.. but it would take years over dialup
[12:01] <GotD0t> bingo
[12:01] <tomchuk> calamari: ah
[12:01] <tomchuk> calamari: well, better start now ;)
[12:01] <the_gummibear> take your pc to a friend to upgrade?
[12:01] <Fwiffo> tomchuk: quite hardcore that... :)
[12:02] <daaku> everytime i start gvim i get a SHELL variable empty error, previously i was using ~/.xinitrc, but now i'm using the default gnome session, where do i set the SHELL variable?
[12:02] <magnon> calamari: if you're not really needing the bleeding edge stuff and you're not developing, I wouldn't go for hoary yet though
[12:02] <Fwiffo> probably not a good idea to upgrade to hoary if you are on a slow connection, some days the changes amount to over 100MB
[12:03] <magnon> it's broken a lot of stuff lately
[12:03] <calamari> that's one major problem with Ubuntu, it's not very dialup friendly.. I wish I could issue a bug report about that somehow
[12:03] <calamari> Fwiffo: see above
[12:03] <Ribs> as would downloading the upgrade .iso
[12:03] <magnon> calamari: the releases are
[12:03] <Fwiffo> calamari: right, I just saw :|
[12:03] <magnon> at least as friendly as they can
[12:04] <melazyboy> Has there been a solution to get 3d acceleration working with the ati9800 AND the new xorg yet?
[12:05] <calamari> Ribs: an iso can be downloaded anywhere (i.e. someplace with a fast connection)
[12:05] <Ribs> good point
[12:07] <tomchuk> calamari: just get someone to do an apt-get -d dist-upgrade on a warty machine when hoary is released and burn the packages to cd for you
[12:07] <GotD0t> melazybo2: nope, i wish though
[12:07] <melazyboy> GotD0t: damit, ati so stupid
[12:07] <magnon> tomchuk: Or simply download the Hoary iso ;)
[12:07] <calamari> tomchuk: oh, cool.. didn't know it was possible to do that.. thanks
[12:08] <Ribs> tomchuk: Given as nearly every package will be updated, it might just be easier for him to use a CD
[12:08] <tomchuk> magnon: he won't have any updates to packages that he's installed outside of the default install
[12:08] <tomchuk> but true
[12:08] <magnon> neither will he if the warty machine has different packages
[12:09] <tomchuk> huh? a -d dist-upgrade to hoary will download every package to update
[12:09] <magnon> even those who aren't installed?
[12:09] <tomchuk> magnon: nevermind, beeing dumb
[12:09] <magnon> if so, my mistake
[12:09] <magnon> but I didn't think so.
[12:09] <tomchuk> me that is
[12:20] <MobyTurbo> I'm having problems getting sound effects of some games like wesnoth and neverball to play. Some sounds, like the drum effects in ubuntu, work, but for these games they're silent.
[12:20] <thully> Hi - I've been having a problem w/flash and the newest gnome sound server
[12:20] <thully> I wonder if it may be related
[12:20] <thully> I can't hear sound in flash,crossover office, or my HSF winmodem's sound
[12:20] <the_gummibear> MobyTurbo, my sound (in supertux & tuxracer) ain't working either
[12:20] <xevil> has anyone installed ubuntu on an nforce2 board and if so, did you run into any problems with the install?
[12:21] <MobyTurbo> yes, I had problems with supertux too.
[12:21] <thully> This is on hoary
[12:21] <thully> correct?
[12:21] <MobyTurbo> warty
[12:21] <MobyTurbo> I didn't have these problems with Fedora 2, but did have them earlier with vanilla Debian.
[12:21] <thully> oh - probably a different issue then, because what happened to me was fine on warty
[12:22] <thully> However - developers closed my bug report because it involves unsupported software
[12:22] <MobyTurbo> yes, unfortunately the programs are I think all in universe.
[12:22] <thully> I think it has to do with my sound card and the new sound server - because disabling the sound server gets around the problem
[12:23] <scoon> all right
[12:23] <scoon> beep looks cool
[12:23] <scoon> but that is really about it for it
[12:23] <thully> Do you think it would be OK to report the sound server causing problems for third party apps if I set the priority to "enhancement" of the bug?
[12:23] <thully> Also, would this be good to put on the wiki?  where?
[12:24] <MobyTurbo> thully, does disabling the sound server hurt any programs, or is it a perfect solution?
[12:24] <thully> it causes system sounds to stop working
[12:25] <MobyTurbo> hmm, is it possible to enable and disable it on the fly?
[12:27] <thully> There is a checkbox in Gnome sound preferences
[12:27] <MobyTurbo> thully, OK, I'll do that and see if it works
[12:28] <thully> out of curiosity, what was done with the fonts in Hoary to make them look better than in Warty?
[12:28] <thully> BTW - Ubuntu has by far the best Linux font setup I've seen on my laptop - looks like I'm using OSX or something
[12:28] <_RESET> but can i add any repository to synaptic?
[12:29] <XhyldazhK> Hi all... Hey.. how do I make my modem reconnect automatically when the connection is lost?
[12:29] <_RESET> the repository of default are old
[12:30] <Synek> Hm, try debian and then argue ;-P
[12:30] <neels> can someone help me with getting a line into my sources.list to install mplayer etc. on ubuntu?
[12:30] <XhyldazhK> neels: I had to install mplayer by source
[12:30] <the_gummibear> compile it with the source?
[12:31] <the_gummibear> i installed the package but i didn't work the way it's supposed to be..
[12:31] <thully> Are there any developers around that could tell me whether it would be acceptable to report a bug that involves non-free software (but seems to be caused by free software) - but label it as "priority - enhancement" so that it doesn't take precedence over bugs in free software
[12:31] <thully> neels: Look at RestrictedFormats wiki on Ubuntu website
[12:31] <XhyldazhK> mine crashed
[12:31] <the_gummibear> so i'm compiling the source now
[12:31] <_RESET> repository are poor?
[12:31] <the_gummibear> my gmplayer crashed & my mplayer couldn't go into fullscreen mode :s
[12:31] <XhyldazhK> hey how do i make my modem reconnect automatically?
[12:31] <MobyTurbo> thully, your advice worked. Thanks
[12:32] <MobyTurbo> you don't have to compile mplayer yourself, it's available in a third party repository.
[12:32] <the_gummibear> that's what we said, but it didn't work with me (& XhyldazhK)
[12:32] <_RESET> repository sono povere
[12:32] <the_gummibear> dunno if others had probs with it tho
[12:32] <neels> ok going for source mplayer install -- then do I need additional codecs to play most movies
[12:32] <MobyTurbo> it worked with me
[12:32] <Davide> hello i am almost dome setting ubuntu but still i cannot get alsa to work i have a hp zv5000 laptop and i read around it could be a problem with the kernel, anybody can help me?
[12:33] <neels> ?
[12:33] <the_gummibear> everything is to be found on the site of mplayer neels
[12:33] <XhyldazhK> hey please help me to make my modem reconnect automatically
[12:33] <neels> oh forgot to say: AMD64
[12:33] <the_gummibear> my knowledge ain't going that far :p
[12:33] <MobyTurbo> XhyldazhK, run diald
[12:35] <neels> Still, does someone know how to get sources.list entries together? how to look for them etc?
[12:35] <XhyldazhK> MobyTurbo: thanx... but how do I enable diald at boot time?
[12:35] <MobyTurbo> XhyldazhK, it should automatically put itself into /etc/init.d
[12:35] <the_gummibear> hmm, when i go to computer --> home & click on it then nothing happens :(
[12:35] <MobyTurbo> and the other directories
[12:35] <the_gummibear> no idea neels
[12:35] <joshua__> where can i get gnome skins?
[12:36] <farruinn> art.gnome.org
[12:36] <joshua__> thanks
[12:36] <neels> same with me the_gummibear
[12:36] <XhyldazhK> thanx MobyTurbo... downloading it over synaptic
[12:36] <_RESET> i have firefox-installer
[12:36] <neels> the_gummibear: i always start by console e.g. sudo synaptic
[12:36] <_RESET> how can i install it?
[12:37] <Synek> _RESET: ./name_of_the_file_to_be_run
[12:37] <_RESET> config.ini  firefox-installer  firefox-installer-bin  header.png  install.ini  license.txt  watermark.png  xpi
[12:37] <neels> _RESET: probably run it
[12:37] <benerb> has anyone else in the US had problems with ubuntu defaulting to A4 paper settings in OpenOffice and other progrmas?
[12:37] <Synek> ./firefox-installe
[12:37] <Synek> ./firefox-installer
[12:37] <diego> hi all. on hoary, do i need a specific package to access 'preferences:///' in nautilus?
[12:37] <Synek> in the same directory
[12:37] <XhyldazhK> MobyTurbo: by installing diald automatically my ppp configuration is used for diald and the ppp is reconnected?
[12:38] <neels> you might need a "chmod +x mozilla_installer", _RESET
[12:38] <neels> _RESET: i mean firefox
[12:38] <benerb> i have changed printer settings, but the documents all seem to be defaulting to A4
[12:38] <_RESET> tnx
[12:38] <_RESET> where dir can i install it?
[12:39] <MobyTurbo> XhyldazhK, check out its documentation in man pages and /usr/share/doc. I don't run it so I don't know.
[12:39] <neels> _RESET does it ask you??
[12:39] <_RESET> yes
[12:40] <neels> _RESET are you root?
[12:40] <MobyTurbo> benerb, computer / system configuration / printing and then change it from the default of A4 to letter via preferences in two different places.
[12:40] <_RESET> yes
[12:40] <benerb> MobyTurbo, I have done that
[12:40] <_RESET> i esc by root?
[12:41] <neels> well, why not choose /usr/local/firefox, _RESET
[12:41] <benerb> and it changes the prinMobyTurbo, ter settings, but not the document settings
[12:41] <_RESET> ok i must uninstall old version?
[12:41] <neels> _RESET -- what??
[12:41] <_RESET> firefox old version
[12:41] <neels> ...not entirely sure
[12:42] <MobyTurbo> benerb, well, unfortunately ubuntu deactivates partially cups's web based system at localhost:631. You can check to see if that setting remains adjustable there.
[12:42] <neels> nothing will break when you leave it there, but you might have to run a specific command to launch the new version
[12:42] <benerb> MobyTurbo, is there anywhere else to look?  I also changed /etc/papertype too
[12:43] <_RESET> why it ask me for dir?
[12:43] <_RESET> :\
[12:43] <MobyTurbo> benerb, I really don't know as I'm not very familiar with CUPS.
[12:43] <neels> anyone knows how to add debian sources to the apt packages list?
[12:43] <benerb> MobyTurbo -- or papersize, whatever it is
[12:43] <neels> _RESET just to put the files around where you want them. nothing important really
[12:43] <benerb> MobyTurbo, does CUPS determine the document settings for paper size?
[12:44] <MobyTurbo> benerb, yes.
[12:44] <neels> does anyone know how to add debian sources to the apt packages list?
[12:44] <MobyTurbo> benerb, hmm, maybe ghostscript too??
[12:44] <benerb> MobyTurbo, when creating a document - it looks at the CUPS settings -- sorry, I just want to make sure
[12:45] <melazyboy> neels: me.
[12:45] <Synek> neels: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:45] <jon1012> hi everybody :)
[12:45] <skitzot> question for someone, I have a old ass pentium 1 200mhz laptop with 96megs of ram and a 6 gig hdd, would ubuntu be a good choice for it?
[12:45] <melazyboy> no
[12:45] <neels> ok i got that far ;)
[12:45] <Synek> google for some debian mirrors, and ad appriopriate line
[12:45] <neels> then, what do i add??
[12:45] <jon1012> skitzot, yup :)
[12:45] <skitzot> any suggestions
[12:45] <neels> where do i get a list of available things?
[12:45] <jon1012> skitzot, just try
[12:46] <benerb> MobyTurbo, I have never had this problem with FC or SuSE and am trying to figure out how to fix it
[12:46] <melazyboy> neels: woody/sarge/sid
[12:46] <skitzot> I was thinking slackware, thats what I run on my desktop
[12:46] <neels> ok then what do i take -- sarge?
[12:46] <jon1012> skitzot, however, gnome might be a little slow on your laptop :/
[12:46] <neels> having an amd64
[12:46] <skitzot> well, id use fluxbox or something
[12:46] <neels> melazyboy: what, all three???
[12:46] <jon1012> skitzot, try installing another desktop than gnome on the laptop once ubuntu is installed
[12:46] <melazyboy> neels: echo deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing contrib main non-free >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[12:46] <neels> skitzot: heard of slackware dude being heavy sick?
[12:47] <MobyTurbo> benerb, unfortunately the default CUPS configuration at http://localhost:631 is disabled by ubuntu. So if its configurator isn't working then it might be hard to fix things.
[12:48] <MobyTurbo> benerb, there are two places to change things from A4 to letter, you changed both?
[12:48] <neels> melazyboy: ok that's cool -- then, do you know where to get packages for amd64 particularly?
[12:48] <melazyboy> no, i dont have an amd64 =/
[12:49] <MobyTurbo> benerb, also, did you restart the CUPS server after you made your changes?
[12:49] <benerb> MobyTurbo, I changed it in the printer settings place, the openoffice config file, and the /etc/papersize file
[12:49] <MobyTurbo> benerb, the printer settings place has two places to change it. You changed them both?
[12:51] <benerb> MobyTurbo, i have restarted the computer numberous times -- it works fine if I manually change it in openoffice writer and abiword, but it always defaults new documents to A4 -- Yes, I changed both places and it prints fine, it just loads new documents to the wrong size
[12:51] <neels> the ubuntu faq says one can include a debian-marillat source
[12:51] <neels> what is debian-marillat?
[12:51] <MobyTurbo> benerb, then I don't know....
[12:51] <benerb> MobyTurbo, that is fine...I appreciate the help
[12:52] <MobyTurbo> benerb, if you find the solution let me know.
[12:52] <melazyboy> neels: Sources for mplayer/gmplayer they have prioprietary codecs that may or may not be legal in your area
[12:52] <benerb> MobyTurbo, i have searched tons of usenet pages and faqs without any luck...i will thanks again
[12:53] <MobyTurbo> benerb, maybe you should file a bug report in ubuntu's bugzilla. They may offer you a fix.
[12:53] <neels> when i go to http://debian.freenux.org/debian-marillat-amd64/ there are no dists, just loose files. how can i use them?
[12:54] <benerb> MobyTurbo, I will give it a shot...I have never submitted anything before...I imagine it is relatively painless?
[12:54] <MobyTurbo> benerb, easy enough. Ubuntu's I beleive is via bugzilla so it's easy if so.
[12:55] <MobyTurbo> bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org I believe.
[12:56] <thenuke> native english speakers?
[12:57] <MobyTurbo> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:57] <neels> when i go to http://debian.freenux.org/debian-marillat-amd64/ there are no dists, just loose files. how can i use them?
[12:57] <neels> .deb files...
[12:58] <cardador> neels: download the ones you want, then go to the download folder and do sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[12:58] <neels> cardador THX
[12:59] <MobyTurbo> neels, the proper way to use a repository is to add it to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:59] <cardador> neels: what MobyTurbo said
[12:59] <neels> yeah but that one doesn't work apparently
[12:59] <jon1012> excuse me, where can I find "libgnomevfs2-0_2.9.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb" ?
[12:59] <neels> (no dists directory and synaptic says the line has wrong syntax)
[01:00] <MobyTurbo> jon1012, you should download things via the repository rather than individual debs whenever possible. It's easier and will avoid problems.
[01:00] <_RESET> why repository for ubuntu are old
[01:00] <MobyTurbo> _RESET, it's based on Debian and Debian isn't "bleeding edge"
[01:00] <jon1012> MobyTurbo, yup but my apt it broken, to recover it i need this package lol
[01:01] <cardador> jon1012: what do you mean byt broken?
[01:01] <MobyTurbo> jon1012, you don't need that package to run apt-get.
[01:01] <jon1012> so if someone have this in his cache is it possible to send it to me ? :$
[01:01] <jon1012> MobyTurbo, because, if i change it for the new one, all my gnome menus will be put off :)
[01:02] <jon1012> you know the ugly thind that happenned with gnome menus lol
[01:02] <MobyTurbo> jon1012, I've never had that problem, are you running warty or hoary?
[01:02] <jon1012> i need this package to recover my system without having to break my menus :)
[01:02] <jon1012> hoary lol
[01:02] <jon1012> i'm googling around for that package put impossible to find
[01:02] <confrey> hi everybody
[01:03] <MobyTurbo> jon1012, if you're running hoary you should know how to fix your problems, because you *will* have problems.
[01:03] <neels> having  http://debian.freenux.org/debian-marillat-amd64/, what do I add to sources.list?
[01:03] <jon1012> oh I know how to fix
[01:03] <jon1012> I need this package ;)
[01:03] <MobyTurbo> neels, search for it in apt-get.org and see the syntax it offers.
[01:03] <mroth> so has anyone gotten 2.6.9 with nvidia 6629 packages (both in hoary update today) to function properly?
[01:03] <neels> MobyTurbo now that sounds promising ;)
[01:04] <MobyTurbo> jon1012, I searched for it and don't have it, else I'd offer to dcc it to you. Sorry.
[01:04] <_RESET> MobyTurbo, and where are the fresh repository?
[01:04] <confrey> I always must use my harddisk as ata33, while it's ata66, I add idebus=66 as kernel parameter, what can I do now?
[01:04] <jon1012> thank you anyway :)
[01:04] <MobyTurbo> neels, the syntax differs from repository to repository. That's why I said that.
[01:04] <jon1012> hmmm... can I edit the dpkg database by hand ?
[01:05] <jon1012> (i'm from the rpm world formerly lol)
[01:05] <MobyTurbo> _RESET, you could run hoary, but then if things break, you own both pieces.
[01:05] <neels> MobyTurbo, no i mean really, that sounds like a useful link :)
[01:05] <_RESET> btw can i add the repository of debian? without problem?
[01:05] <MobyTurbo> neels, don't mix Debian and Ubuntu repositories too much. Ordinarily they aren't meant for each other but marillat's seems to work OK.
[01:06] <MobyTurbo> _RESET, Debian's repositories are *older* than Ubuntu's. That won't help.
[01:06] <_RESET> :\
[01:06] <neels> ok
[01:07] <melazyboy> MobyTurbo: depends on which debian repos..
[01:08] <neels> when compiling mplayer from source, should i install things previously, like NVidia's own driver for my gfx card, or some codecs/libs?
[01:08] <melazyboy> MobyTurbo: The SID repos is much more upto date than the debian repos.
[01:08] <MobyTurbo> melazyboy, unstable at the most would be a couple of months newer for a few packages.
[01:09] <MobyTurbo> melazyboy, and that's only compared to warty. If you run hoary you get the most recent stuff, at the risk of lots of bugs.
[01:09] <melazyboy> ... and if you run warty you get archaic software... its a risk im willing to take
[01:09] <cardador> has anyone installed nvidia 6629 drivers sucessfuly?
[01:10] <cardador> seems that nvidia-kernel-common for 66.29 is missing
[01:10] <melazyboy> I have found on numerious occassions that the sid repos has newer packages than hoary, i mix the two without any real problems not saying i would suggest it for others
[01:10] <MobyTurbo> melazyboy, I wouldn't call GNOME 2.8 archaic.
[01:10] <neels> this room is cool, see you tomorrow...
[01:11] <MobyTurbo> melazyboy, why don't you mix warty with hoary and use apt-pinning? Also risky but at least they're meant to get along a bit.
[01:11] <melazyboy> call it what you want -- waiting six months for an arbitrary dead line would seem a little silly to me
[01:12] <MobyTurbo> melazyboy, the arbitrary dead line seems to work pretty well for getting a release out. The alternative is Debian's fast release policy. <cough>
[01:13] <melazyboy> because the only really package i want in warty is xfree, other than xorg, i prefer knowing i have the newer packages, which in many cases means more bug free than not
[01:14] <melazyboy> only real package*
[01:15] <neels> when i have an AMD64, what have i: ia64?
[01:15] <MobyTurbo> neels, no, ia64 is itanium.
[01:15] <neels> eish
[01:15] <neels> so only "amd64" will do?
[01:16] <MobyTurbo> neels, I don't know what Debian/Ubuntu's naming convention is for AMD64.
[01:16] <neels> m68k??
[01:16] <neels> well...
[01:16] <laamaa> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1443 does anyone have solution to this problem yet?
[01:16] <MobyTurbo> neels, motorollla 68k? Nope.
[01:16] <neels> lol!
[01:16] <MobyTurbo> s/lll/ll
[01:17] <neels> s/lol/LOL
[01:18] <MobyTurbo> :-)
[01:18] <neels> so when there's a ubuntu for amd64, where's all the other stuff for amd64?
[01:19] <neels> yeah yeah, install from source.
[01:19] <MobyTurbo> neels, a simple recompile for most if not almost all of the software will work.
[01:19] <MobyTurbo> neels, or you can run the 32 bit binaries without a problem.
[01:19] <neels> ok got it :) thx everyone again -- see you some time around
[01:20] <_RESET> what's last kernel for ubuntu?
[01:21] <MobyTurbo> _RESET, 2.6.8.1-3 in warty, maybe the latest in hoary.
[01:21] <MobyTurbo> _RESET, that is pretty darned new.
[01:22] <_RESET> hoary is unstable?
[01:22] <MobyTurbo> _RESET, yes
[01:22] <_RESET> mhmmh
[01:22] <_RESET> i'm n00b
[01:22] <_RESET> keep stable for now
[01:23] <melazyboy> 2.6.10 is about to come out
[01:23] <_RESET> for ubuntu?
[01:24] <_RESET> or hoary
[01:24] <melazyboy> .. from kernelorg
[01:25] <thully__> does anyone know if it would be acceptable to report a bug that , while mostly relating to software in the Ubuntu distribution, involves non-free software (Flash)
[01:26] <thully__> If I set the priority to enhancement
[01:26] <melazyboy> thully__: Probably not anything ubuntu can do about it, you could shoot it off to macromedia or mozilla though
[01:27] <gangalino> wtf is (recovery mode) in the grub list about?
[01:27] <thully__> This issue seems to be sound-card specific and effects only hoary - the sound server prevents some apps from playing sound, and it seems like it may interfere with a few free apps as well
[01:28] <thully__> others w/different sound cards don't see the issue
[01:28] <thully__> Which leadsme to believe that my sound card isn't properly configured in hoary to play multiple sounds at once
[01:29] <melazyboy> thully__: in that case, i don't see why you shoulden't send a report
[01:29] <thully__> i just have to make sure it effects a piece of free software in some way
[01:31] <thully__> I think I'll add this to the wiki - maybe in restrictedformats and if there is a sound wiki
[01:31] <moyote> When I try running glxgears to check fps, I get a segmentation fault. Any ideas. I'm on the bleeding edge using hoary except I'm the one bleeding. :-)
[01:32] <mroth> moyote: nvidia ?
[01:32] <moyote> I was able to play Unreal Tournament using 2.6.8, but since the upgrade to 2.6.9, it's unplayable.
[01:32] <moyote> mroth, yep
[01:32] <Orcrist> hello
[01:32] <mroth> yeah new 6629 drivers seem to not be working properly yet i guess
[01:32] <Orcrist> I have a problem... and though I think I know the cause of hte problem, I don't know how to fix it
[01:33] <moyote> the UT installer won't run. Go figure
[01:33] <Orcrist> I compiled a new kernel using kpkg, then used dpkg to install it, which updated menu.lst in /root/grub just fine
[01:33] <Orcrist> but I have no initrd.img for the new kernel
[01:33] <Orcrist> how to I make one?
[01:33] <moyote> mroth: so someone is aware of the problem then?
[01:34] <mroth> moyote: i'd imagine
[01:34] <neighborlee> we're #9 at distrwatch ;-))
[01:34] <moyote> mroth; well, let's hope. I could always reinstall warty, but I'd rather not at the moment. :-)
[01:34] <neighborlee> distrowatch.org < that is o_0
[01:36] <Orcrist> I went by the guide on this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[01:36] <Orcrist> and it states there (I did everything IDENTICAL to that guide) that I should have an initrd.img for my new kernel, but it's a no-go
[01:36] <Orcrist> is there a way to manually create one?
[01:37] <Orcrist> then at the bottom it kind of contradicts itself and says I have to compile all 'boot time' drivers
[01:37] <Orcrist> but it doesn't link me to how
[01:37] <Orcrist> so it's like half a guide
[01:37] <Orcrist> anyone?
[01:40] <rjek> This cannot be accidental: Look at the top Google hit for "litigious"
[01:42] <Pyraine> hey, is this the place to come if i want help with ubuntu?
[01:42] <mroth> rjek: look at the 3rd result for the explanation
[01:43] <Pyraine> ?
[01:51] <melazyboy> Orcrist: make bzImage
[01:51] <melazyboy> Orcrist: pick the options you want type 'make clean' then 'make' then 'make modules_install install'
[01:52] <melazyboy> Orcrist: then set up your boot loader
[01:53] <melazyboy> make is the 2.6 way to make bzImage, and make modules dependencies
[02:03] <melazyboy> has anyone had a problem before where sound doesn't play on ASF videos
[02:03] <xhoy> vlc?
[02:03] <melazyboy> no gxine doesn't work in vlc either
[02:04] <xhoy> mm
[02:04] <xhoy> is there and sound decoder error?
[02:04] <melazyboy> no =/
[02:18] <melazyboy> why does apt-get want to remove libnautilus2-2?
[02:23] <leitao> guys, i have some trouble with my X. I installed it and it work correctly (without manual config). But i try to do some changes in XF86Config and now it stopped working. how could it be reconfigured automatically?
[02:24] <melazyboy> dpkg-reconfig x-windows-system
[02:26] <melazyboy> err
[02:26] <melazyboy> sorry
[02:26] <melazyboy> its dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 rather, debian is x-windows-system
[02:27] <leitao> melazyboy : Thank you, but i did that and it was not automatically, X -configure works for me. thx
[02:36] <miausX> hi!
[02:36] <Verden01> HI
[02:36] <Synek> hi
[02:38] <miausX> excuse me, I was playing with my sources.list, I don't have any updates... then I have read this article -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary -- and I have seen a new line in the sources.list:
[02:38] <miausX> ## Uncomment after release to continue getting Updates:
[02:38] <miausX> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.org/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[02:39] <miausX> do I need this line to update warty? (please, note... I've changed hoary by warty) :)
[02:39] <Synek> well
[02:39] <Synek> no
[02:39] <Synek> :)
[02:40] <Synek> if you want to stick with warty
[02:40] <thenuke> "## Uncomment after release to continue getting Updates:"
[02:40] <miausX> hummm... oks... so this is for a "testing" release of warty?
[02:40] <thenuke> it says that
[02:40] <thenuke> so what is the problem :)
[02:40] <Synek> miausX: you can say that
[02:40] <thenuke> oh miausX already said that
[02:41] <thenuke> oh oh miausX was the one who asked about that =)
[02:41] <miausX> thenuke, well, you know... that source is taken from hoary, I don't have any source like this on my sources.list from warty :)
[02:41] <miausX> hehehehe, oks
[02:41] <thenuke> well, I believe that you can believe what it says
[02:41] <miausX> O.o lol
[02:41] <thenuke> you need it before the release of hoary
[02:42] <miausX> can I put here a paste of 4 lines?
[02:42] <thenuke> sure
[02:43] <thenuke> when there are not going on any other conversations to mess up with floods :)
[02:43] <miausX> oks, I have added this lines to my sources.list and I have three packages to upgrade now:
[02:43] <miausX> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-updates main restricted
[02:43] <miausX> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-updates main restricted
[02:43] <miausX> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-updates main restricted
[02:43] <miausX> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-updates main restricted
[02:43] <miausX> thenuke, thanks :)
[02:44] <thenuke> miausX: youre welcome although I dont know if I how helped you at all :)
[02:44] <thenuke> how=have
[02:44] <craig> Hi. New here. Wondering if anyone has thoughts on Ubuntu PPC vs YellowDog. I find Ubuntu to be much easier to install and use.
[02:45] <thenuke> warty.. so what was it that you wanted to do =)
[02:45] <miausX> :D
[02:45] <thenuke> if you now have warty, you should stick to warty in your sources list :)
[02:45] <miausX> yep, oks :)
[02:45] <thoreauputic> craig: well, we all hate ubuntu - that's why we're here of course ;)
[02:46] <miausX> thoreauputic, lol!
[02:46] <craig> :)
[02:46] <thenuke> if you want to upgrade to hoary which is under testing and NOT stable at all. you can change every 'warty' to 'hoary' in your sources list and then do apt-get update && upgrade
[02:46] <thenuke> :)
[02:46] <defendguin> is there a gui or tui for configuering a sound card?
[02:46] <miausX> oh! i have to change the samba howto in the wiki... It has errors
[02:46] <thenuke> or was it dist-upgrade?
[02:47] <miausX> thenuke, oh, no no... I was asking about the warty-update sources... NOT hoary sources :)
[02:48] <thoreauputic> miausX: just leave those lines uncommented :)
[02:48] <Synek> :)
[02:48] <IRCMonkey> hi I have just installed warty, my question is how do you test the x configuration like you can in other distros to make sure that the settings will work when you reboot
[02:48] <miausX> oks :)
[02:48] <defendguin> i just added a sound card to my computer and i need to configure it
[02:48] <thoreauputic> miausX: I mean, commented
[02:48] <miausX> oops ...
[02:48] <thoreauputic> miausX: that is, leave them alone ;)
[02:49] <miausX> lol
[02:49] <thoreauputic> leave them with the # at the beginning
[02:49] <thoreauputic> my bad
[02:49] <miausX> ah, oks :)
[02:49] <Rene_S> Evening Boyz and Girlz
[02:49] <IRCMonkey> Problems with xf86free on ati readeon agp card 9200SE
[02:50] <thenuke> :-)
[02:50] <IRCMonkey> it only gives me the option for a pci card ??
[02:50] <thenuke> good evening Rene_S
[02:50] <thenuke> although its not evening :I
[02:50] <thenuke> soon it will be morning
[02:51] <thenuke> and I should go to sleep :(
[02:51] <Rene_S> It is here, and I was too lazy to type my long greeting string
[02:51] <miausX> hahahaha thenuke :)
[02:51] <miausX> 2:51 am here
[02:51] <IRCMonkey> Could any one help me with an Xserver problem please?
[02:51] <melazyboy> IRCMonkey: What problem?
[02:52] <miausX> IRCMonkey, no idea about radeon, I have a nvidia video card
[02:52] <IRCMonkey> its an agp card but install only lets me set pci>
[02:52] <IRCMonkey> and theres no test too l before you reboot to test the settings work like in other distros
[02:53] <melazyboy> IRCMonkey: so pick pci see if it works, im using the 9800 it set mine up fine
[02:53] <IRCMonkey> it just says it cant start the server
[02:53] <IRCMonkey> arghhhh
[02:53] <melazyboy> IRCMonkey: ... try setting the driver as "ati" in your XFree86-4.conf
[02:54] <IRCMonkey> I think it is
[02:55] <melazyboy> IRCMonkey: try x --configure, or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:55] <jon1012> good night everybody :)
[02:55] <IRCMonkey> thnks io will
[02:56] <Mesta> hey is ubuntu ever going to support totem-xine in ppc
[02:56] <Mesta> seems the the gstreamer gives way too many probs.  Even rhythmbox stalls in warty and in hoary.
[02:57] <melazyboy> rhythmbox freking sucks
[02:57] <Mesta> this was stable in debian testing
[02:57] <melazyboy> it doesn't even play music off of samba shares
[02:57] <defendguin> is there no way to configure a sound card?
[02:58] <kerskine> howdy
[02:59] <kerskine> is there any ubuntu specific pcmcia docs?
[02:59] <Mesta> tempted to go back to debian testing and run rhythmbox, xmms, and accel with daenzer's xfree86.  It all works
[02:59] <MobyTurbo> defendguin, you may need to modprobe the appropriate kernel module for it manually, or maybe you can use the old debian method and use modconf. (apt-get install modconf from universal)
[02:59] <mlots> Anyone have a north american mirror to download the 4.10 livecd?
[02:59] <MobyTurbo> hmm, scratch that, I can't find modconf in the repositories.
[03:00] <defendguin> MobyTurbo, so there is no configuration application?
[03:01] <defendguin> i have to figure out the driver and the modprobe
[03:01] <MobyTurbo> mlots, http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/
[03:01] <defendguin> how antiquated
[03:01] <mlots> MobyTurbo: Thanks
[03:01] <Mesta> if it weren't for the fact that the new debian installer is a hit or miss scenario right now
[03:01] <mlots> for some reason I can't reach www.ubuntulinux.org
[03:04] <defendguin> i wonder if there is a repository with the redhat configuration utils
[03:05] <Synek> ?
[03:05] <MobyTurbo> defendguin, maybe "discover" will work.
[03:07] <WW> Any skype users here?  I have a few really basic questions.  /pm me, since the topic is not really Ubuntu.
[03:07] <defendguin> MobyTurbo, is that like kudzu?
[03:08] <melazyboy> defendguin: test it first 'dd count=5 bs=1024 if=/dev/urandom | aplay' for an alsatest, 'dd bs=1024 count=5 if=/dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp' for an OSS test
[03:09] <mlots> Why won't wget ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/.pool/warty-live-i386.iso work?
[03:10] <defendguin> melazyboy, nope and nope
[03:10] <MobyTurbo> defendguin, I think so.
[03:10] <defendguin> MobyTurbo, discover didnt work
[03:10] <melazyboy> defendguin: type modprobe alsa-base and try the first again
[03:10] <mlots> Perhaps wget is broken. it says No such directory, but then it quotes the directory...
[03:10] <mlots> 'r quotes it correctly.
[03:10] <melazyboy> defendguin: And after you modprobe your alsa-base, then try /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[03:11] <Synek> Huh, 3:10 here, good night
[03:11] <Synek> :)
[03:11] <defendguin> module alsa_base not found
[03:11] <mojo> hey ppl
[03:11] <mojo> new nvidia-glx fails on my PC, does it fail on urs?
[03:11] <gsus> hola a todos
[03:11] <gsus> alguien me lee??
[03:12] <defendguin> hmmm but i have the alsa-base package installed
[03:12] <melazyboy> defendguin: on alsa restart?
[03:12] <restrex> ubuntu rocks
[03:12] <restrex> eeaeaeaeae ! :D
[03:12] <restrex> i'm gonna try hoary now
[03:12] <restrex> jeje
[03:12] <restrex> ;)
[03:13] <melazyboy> ...
[03:13] <restrex> melazyboy don't u like ubuntu?
[03:13] <mojo> restrex: dont! it's super buggy now, I advice u change to Hoary after 2 weeks from now
[03:13] <restrex> :(
[03:13] <melazyboy> i wish i could ban -/
[03:13] <mojo> crazy bon bon he is
[03:13] <restrex> mojo
[03:13] <restrex> thaks jeje :)
[03:14] <restrex> thanks ;)
[03:14] <defendguin> melazyboy i could modprobe alsa-base
[03:14] <restrex> melazyboy i wish i could ban -/  .--- melazyboy me too ;)
[03:14] <restrex> to ban u man!
[03:14] <restrex> :(
[03:14] <miausX> O.o!!!
[03:14] <melazyboy> 15:11 Ignoring ALL from restrex
[03:14] <miausX> E DR17 builds fine in warty!! YEAH!!!
[03:14] <restrex> eee
[03:15] <restrex> cool melazyboy
[03:15] <restrex> ;)
[03:15] <mojo> Englightment?
[03:15] <melazyboy> defendguin: i thought i already suggested that?
[03:15] <miausX> yes mojo :))
[03:15] <MobyTurbo> miausX, does it get along well with GNOME2 yet?
[03:15] <defendguin> melazyboy im sorry i couldn' modprobe it
[03:15] <defendguin> couldn't
[03:15] <keith_> howdy - just installed Warty on a VIA box - works great
[03:15] <mojo> shite! the new nvidia-glx fail on 2.6.9-5 of Hoary, now I no longer can play Sim2, HL2 with Cedega 4.2
[03:15] <melazyboy> did you try with an underscore instead, i forgot what the module was i baked it into kernel
[03:16] <miausX> MobyTurbo, oh, I LOVE E, I can run both, gnome and E from gdm right now :)
[03:16] <defendguin> melazyboy, yeah i tried both
[03:16] <keith_> are there any Warty specific PCMCIA docs?
[03:16] <MobyTurbo> miausX, I've never tried out E17, E16 was OK, a little too much eye-candy for me though.
[03:16] <melazyboy> defendguin: what sound card are you using?
[03:16] <defendguin> FATAL: Module alsa_base not found.
[03:16] <littlepenguin> keith_: check the ubuntu wiki
[03:16] <defendguin> yamaha somehting
[03:16] <mojo> what is 'eye-candy'? (Eng is not my 1st lang)
[03:17] <miausX> MobyTurbo, well, DR17 is only a bit usable right now, only a few things works :)
[03:17] <defendguin> melazyboy its not showing up in the hal device manager
[03:17] <littlepenguin> eye-candy is desktop decoration. examples: icons, window themes, skins, etc.
[03:17] <MobyTurbo> mojo, it's a computer graphics term for useless performance sucking graphics
[03:17] <melazyboy> try to find it with lspci
[03:17] <miausX> mojo, humm... beautiful? decorations?
[03:17] <MobyTurbo> ;-)
[03:17] <mojo> oh ic, i c ic
[03:17] <miausX> lol MobyTurbo
[03:18] <melazyboy> defendguin: lspci -vv |grep audio
[03:18] <littlepenguin> mobyturbo, u got it!
[03:18] <littlepenguin> :?
[03:18] <keith_> littlepenguin: did check, need to find out how to add a WG511
[03:18] <defendguin> melazyboy returns nothing
[03:18] <miausX> MobyTurbo, well... if you think DR16 is too much eye candy... DON'T install DR17 ;D
[03:18] <mojo> don't ppl know that I succeded using Ubuntu + Firefox on my new Assignment 'Next GNOME Internet Kiosk'?
[03:18] <MobyTurbo> I like a ballence between eye candy and beauty. GNOME2 seems to be pretty good for that. I like Windowmaker also.
[03:19] <mojo> it runs jus so fine, the only prob I encounter is I can't buy license for Flash, Java, and some MS Fonts
[03:19] <littlepenguin> is a wg511 a pcmcia card? one more question, ubuntu ppc or x86
[03:19] <melazyboy> mojo why use a bloated x interface like gnome just for a kiosk?
[03:19] <Rene_S> Is it safe to remove inetd from my services list ?
[03:19] <burner> windowmaker for eyecandy???
[03:19] <keith_> littlepenguin: x86
[03:19] <mojo> melazyboy: yes, I did this b4, but now I want to try GNOME
[03:19] <keith_> littlepenguin: and yes - WG511 is PCMCIA
[03:19] <littlepenguin> for a kiosk, try something like fluxbox, icewm,fvwm, etc.
[03:20] <MobyTurbo> burner, sure; it's not too configurable but it does look pretty.
[03:20] <burner> i guess, to each their own
[03:20] <restrex> mojo melazyboy doesn't love me :(
[03:20] <miausX> MobyTurbo, here it is -- http://debianitas.net/mostrar.php?vinculo=32&sec=capturas
[03:20] <MobyTurbo> if I'm in a minimalist mood I like pwm
[03:20] <restrex> xD
[03:20] <mojo> GNOME does consume lots of resources, I'm thinking about switching back to bloated X, twm??
[03:21] <mojo> restrex: don't sound so gay or opposite around, we're here to help not to 'hook'
[03:21] <miausX> mojo, screen, ratpoison :)
[03:21] <miausX> mojo, lol!
[03:22] <mojo> miauX: E17?
[03:22] <miausX> yep
[03:22] <miausX> errr... no, DR17 (development release, from CVS)
[03:22] <restrex> mojo i'm not gay   did u understood? parhaps can't I say Ubuntu rocks?  why u atack me?
[03:23] <mojo> miauX: good GUI
[03:23] <Rene_S> anyone ever used ion wm before ?
[03:23] <mojo> miauX: I love it
[03:23] <miausX> mojo, 2% CPU usage! :))
[03:23] <restrex> mojo i'm not gay   did u understood? perhaps can't I say Ubuntu rocks?  why u attack me?
[03:23] <littlepenguin> keith_: maybe look @ http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/wolves/2004-November/010643.html or http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20040903_02.html. search in page for wg511. correct me if i have the wrong piece of hw
[03:23] <MobyTurbo> Rene_S, ion was written by pwm's author. I don't have enough resolution to really take advantage of the tiling of ion though.
[03:23] <mojo> restrex: pls, I don't mean anything bad to u, just act more mature pls, if u don't like someone, just tell them I don't want to talk to u, that's all, simple life
[03:23] <miausX> mojo, maybe you want to watch the DR17 video :)
[03:24] <keith_> littlepenguin: ok - thanks for the pointer
[03:24] <mojo> miauX: yup
[03:24] <restrex> mojo u sucks ! :@
[03:24] <littlepenguin> ur welcome, i'll look for more stuff if possible
[03:24] <daniels> guys, please don't argue in here, ok?
[03:24] <WW> Any skype users around?
[03:24] <mojo> restrex: dude, calm down, let's talk like real engineer
[03:25] <mojo> restrex: i'm pleased to help u if u get stuck at any prob
[03:25] <restrex> ok daniels
[03:25] <Rene_S> MobyTurbo, I just became aware of it last week actually, there was a presentation on alternatives to KDE and Gnome and that one came up
[03:25] <littlepenguin> not specific to ubuntu, but could help keith_; http://www.linuxcompatible.org/cdetail11199.html
[03:25] <mojo> restrex: but pls don't use coarse lang, it's not good though
[03:25] <miausX> mojo, http://lude.net/edocs/media.htm#videos
[03:25] <melazyboy> mojo: if he wasn't acting like a 10yr old i woulden't have ignored him, but then again i tend to lean towards ignoring anyone who writes a one liner with a smilie or any varent of 'keekkee' 'jejejeje' or 'heheheehh' and especially the dreded 'l0l'
[03:26] <keith_> littlepenguin: thanks dude :)
[03:26] <miausX> mojo, in that page you'll find some screenshots and videos, hope you like it :)
[03:26] <daniels> guys, enough.  if you want to argue, take it somewhere else.
[03:26] <mojo> miauX: got it
[03:26] <TGCenter10> Howdy, I just got a fresh install of ubuntu.  I was wondering how I access root privileges and change the password? thanks!
[03:26] <miausX> restrex, calmate ya, hombre :)
[03:26] <mojo> daniels: sorry to disturb u, discipline pls
[03:27] <miausX> TGCenter10, sudo command or sudo -s for a root shell :)
[03:28] <littlepenguin> keith_afk: can't help myself. one more: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[03:28] <mojo> miauX: it ROCKS! I love it
[03:29] <mojo> miauX: does it consume lots of resources?
[03:29] <miausX> :D
[03:29] <TGCenter10> miausX: I just tried sudo from a terminal, and I am asked for a password; is there a default set by ubuntu?
[03:29] <keith_afk> littlepenguin: ook - you rox
[03:29] <miausX> nop, I don't know why... it's the magick of E :D
[03:29] <mojo> TGCenter10: no, press ENTER
[03:30] <miausX> TGCenter10, it asks about your user password :)
[03:30] <mojo> TGCenter10: or u can assign new one for root by using 'sudo passwd root'
[03:30] <littlepenguin> TGCenter10: Ubuntu does root access via sudo. if u want a root session, do a sudo -s. if u really want a root account do sudo passwd root. and also sudo's passwd is ur password
[03:30] <littlepenguin> keith_afk: thx
[03:30] <littlepenguin> does anyone know why the warty kde pkg doesn't work thru apt-get?
[03:31] <mojo> littlepenguin: it does, have u open other 'universe' repsository?
[03:32] <restrex> but TGCenter10 if u want to access graphically, u must change de /etc/gdm/gdm.conf AllowRoot=true and then create (under root, with sudo -s) a passord for root with passwd
[03:32] <MobyTurbo> root sessions with X are a Bad Thing
[03:32] <restrex> yes
[03:32] <MobyTurbo> don't do that if you value your sanity and security
[03:32] <restrex> but if he want to enter...
[03:32] <restrex> but if he wants to enter...
[03:33] <restrex> xD
[03:33] <MobyTurbo> restrex, if he hates putting in passwords there are options in sudo for that.
[03:33] <Rene_S> ok thats retarted I just got ip banned from my own local webmin
[03:33] <littlepenguin> ya, i have the universe repository open. when i apt-get install kde it says that there are broken pkgs. something like blah = < version # but it is not installable. E: broken packages. something like that
[03:34] <littlepenguin> oh and of course blah is = to pkgname
[03:34] <restrex> jeje, but also to set permission, to manage files (for loose people), it's good for them too
[03:34] <mojo> littepenguin: that means you haven't resolved all dep
[03:34] <mojo> littepenguin: find the dep packages and install them
[03:35] <restrex> doing that not by console
[03:35] <TGCenter10> Thanks Everyone!  I've got it;  I am just used to other distro's!
[03:35] <MobyTurbo> restrex, visudo and set up sudo to not require passwords is much safer.
[03:35] <MobyTurbo> restrex, though I wouldn't do that either myself.
[03:35] <littlepenguin> but sudo apt-get install -f is a clean sweep. nothing broken, incomplete or unresolved
[03:35] <restrex> hehe, me too ;)
[03:36] <Rene_S> crap anyone in here using webmin that knows how to unblock my localhost so I can run it ?
[03:37] <mojo> oh, can help me on this prob: How to remove an entries of Open With ... if the entries are blocked to be removed via Right-click > Properties?
[03:38] <Rene_S> Scratch that I just figured it out
[03:38] <littlepenguin> whoosh, this place is busy
[03:39] <MobyTurbo> littlepenguin, it's not as busy as #debian or #gentoo, but it is usually active...
[03:40] <MobyTurbo> #gentoo is probably the busiest, because all of the people there can't do anything but IRC while their systems are recompiling. ;)
[03:40] <miausX> lol
[03:40] <omalley> heh
[03:40] <restrex> littlepenguin ohh, yes, they really are busy channel, the reading is so difficult there
[03:41] <|QuaD-> anyone know how to change the name of a session in screen?
[03:42] <MobyTurbo> |QuaD-, ^a:T ?
[03:43] <omalley> just installed ubuntu first time today on my laptop, gotta say, it's very nice
[03:43] <restrex> MobyTurbo  because all of the people there can't do anything but IRC while their systems are recompiling. ;) --- hahahahaha  :P
[03:44] <|QuaD-> MobyTurbo: thanks
[03:44] <restrex> omalley cool ;) i have friends that preffer install ubuntu on their laptos, it's so easy configure them ;)
[03:44] <MobyTurbo> |QuaD-, np. In the future you might try ^a:help to answer these sort of questions.
[03:44] <|QuaD-> MobyTurbo: didn't know that
[03:45] <|QuaD-> ctrl a help isn't working
[03:45] <MobyTurbo> |QuaD-, with a colon? (:)
[03:45] <|QuaD-> MobyTurbo: telling me screen image written
[03:46] <MobyTurbo> |QuaD-, it works fine here.
[03:46] <|QuaD-> hold ctrl, push a then colon then type help?
[03:46] <MobyTurbo> yes
[03:49] <MobyTurbo> brb
[03:50] <restrex> :)
[03:51] <mojo> oh, can help me on this prob: How to remove an entries of Open With ... if the entries are blocked to be removed via Right-click > Properties?
[03:51] <mojo> oh, can someone?
[03:52] <rkatz> Hi, trying to get my DVD to play. It seems to not be seen for some reason?
[03:52] <rkatz> New install, added libdvdcss2, etc...
[03:52] <|QuaD-> rkatz: totem-gstreamer or totem xine?
[03:53] <rkatz> I selected totem from the apps/multimedia menu
[03:53] <|QuaD-> rkatz: read the faq on the website about installing totem-xine
[03:53] <|QuaD-> to play media files
[03:53] <melazyboy> rkatz: Try vlc
[03:53] <MobyTurbo> rkatz, or xine-ui, or ogle
[03:54] <melazyboy> rkatz: it supports menus by defualts
[03:54] <miausX> xine-ui + libdvdcss2 + win32codecs
[03:54] <littlepenguin> exit
[03:54] <|QuaD-> or totem works well
[03:54] <|QuaD-> if you install the right one
[03:55] <melazyboy> vlc has libdvd as a dependency and has the only opensource implimintation of the win32codecs -- doesn't require MS dlls
[03:55] <miausX> O.o
[03:55] <miausX> WOW
[03:55] <|QuaD-> melazyboy: i didn't know that
[03:56] <miausX> neither me
[03:57] <miausX> melazyboy, apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-alsa?
[03:58] <melazyboy> miausX: I use the debian sid branch for vlc i didn't need plugin-alsa
[03:58] <melazyboy> I use the alsa plugin though
[03:58] <melazyboy> I think the sid repos just includes it w/ vlc
[03:58] <melazyboy> Works excelent though
[03:58] <miausX> :D
[03:58] <miausX> thanks melazyboy :))))
[03:59] <melazyboy> the sid branch has the newest version has a fwe bug fixes, last i checked hoary didn't have the bugfix version
[03:59] <melazyboy> no prob you can read more about the release, it was on slashdot a few weeks ago
[03:59] <miausX> melazyboy, does it support dvd menus? (like ogle I mean)
[03:59] <melazyboy> miausX: Yes nativly
[03:59] <miausX> oh my god :D~~~~~
[04:00] <melazyboy> miausX: The only complaint many people have is it doesn't support skins -- i call that a feture because im a minimalist... even though im currently using silly gnome
[04:00] <miausX> :)
[04:01] <rkatz> vlc just sits there...
[04:01] <melazyboy> rkatz: ?
[04:01] <rkatz> melazyboy?
[04:01] <Rene_S> I just discovered the coolest thing ever ......
[04:01] <melazyboy> rkatz: what do you mean vlc just sits there?
[04:02] <rkatz> I installed vlc, when I click play it prompts for device, I select dvd and it just sits there, no error.
[04:02] <melazyboy> did you set the dvd device in prefrences?
[04:02] <rkatz> eject doesn't even work, yes I set dvd in prefs,.
[04:04] <melazyboy> let me check mine -- i haven't used a dvd in so damn long one sec
[04:04] <omalley> Rene_S: what did you discover?
[04:04] <miausX> lol, I have three videos of DR17, xine can play only one video, vlc plays only the others two videos, but it can't play the video that xine can...
[04:05] <melazyboy> hhahaha
[04:05] <miausX> yeah, it rocks lol
[04:05] <melazyboy> my only complaint is there is one audio codec that vlc won't play
[04:05] <melazyboy> btw vlc plays my dvds fine i just tried one
[04:05] <miausX> :D
[04:06] <miausX> ooooooops!! 4 am here
[04:06] <Rene_S> omalley, that the webmin program is really cool and a real stress reliever for system config for me :)
[04:06] <miausX> time to sleep a bit :)
[04:06] <miausX> bye everybody ;)
[04:09] <omalley> Rene_S: i see
[04:11] <Rene_S> omalley, Well maybe not the coolest thing to everyone but its nice nonetheless :)
[04:12] <omalley> Rene_S: havent used webmin in a long time
[04:13] <omalley> but i do hear good things about it
[04:14] <Rene_S> looks like I can use it to configure a lot of stuff on my linux box without all the headaches of tracking down config files and manually editing them
[04:15] <omalley> yep
[04:16] <gangalino> where's the face browser in warty?
[04:17] <JStrike> A face browser? What is that?
[04:18] <gangalino> shows your picture on the login screen
[04:18] <gangalino> ties your face to your login
[04:18] <JStrike> Are you talking about GDM?
[04:19] <ctd> yes, they are.
[04:19] <ctd> he
[04:19] <ctd> she
[04:19] <ctd> or whoever.
[04:20] <JStrike> That is disabled in the warty GDM
[04:20] <JStrike> iirc
[04:20] <ctd> You need to go to configure in the login screen
[04:21] <restrex> gangalino  run gdmsetup, and go to the third tab in the windows, there is the 'face browser' xD
[04:24] <gangalino> is it disabled in warty or not? currently the 2nd & 3rd tab (standard & graphical greeter, respectively) don't have an option to choose the images to link to the logins
[04:31] <gangalino> can I just upgrade to the hoary GDM, or do I have to upgrade everything?
[04:36] <farruinn> ubhuti, pinning
[04:36] <ubhuti> Pinning allows you to use packages from hoary in warty.  Follow the directions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto for details.
[04:38] <bur[n] er> apt-get -t hoary package
[04:38] <bur[n] er> er... forgot the install
[04:39] <bur[n] er> gangalino: are you using a gdm theme with a chooser?
[04:43] <gangalino> burner: yes
[04:46] <rkatz> Hi, somehow I switched my graphical greeter from gdm to xdm, does anyone know what file to edit to switch it back, I forgot, sorry!:)
[04:48] <gangalino> burner: actually, I misunderstood you, no I guess I'm not. Which theme supports face browser?
[04:49] <gangalino> Happy Gnome w/ Browser, right? but where do I configure the images?
[04:52] <__learner__> I've seen some screenshots, the description was something like this:  Gnome running under X-org with alpha blending and shadows support. Those screen looked really good, can my system look like that without many trouble?  And without a big performance loss.
[04:58] <kensai> is an iso of hoary hedgehog available already?
[04:59] <kensai> I mean like a daily build
[04:59] <MobyTurbo> kensai, I hope not. We have enough problems on this channel from people with Hoary problems that shouldn't be running it in the first place.
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> is there a hoary channel?
[05:01] <kensai> nah I'm kool with hoary I've just run to one problem in my entire hoary usage. Im a Debian SID user so hoary doesn't make me cry
[05:01] <|QuaD-> nomasteryoda: nope here
[05:01] <|QuaD-> kensai: i was a sid user, hoary is more unstable,
[05:01] <|QuaD-> three years with sid, never noticed problems
[05:02] <neoxed> any one have winex?
[05:02] <|QuaD-> 4 weeks with hoary, x wouldn't boot
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:02] <kensai> |QuaD-, yeah is a little more ubnstable
[05:03] <JStrike> neoxed : You should get support with cedega/winex. Ask transgamming for help
[05:03] <kensai> |QuaD-, only problem I had with hoary was my internet connection Broke to a way it couldn't be fixed
[05:03] <rkatz> hi, sorry, what is the correct way to set the default display manager
[05:04] <rkatz> from xdm to gdm and vice-versa?
[05:04] <rkatz> thank you in advance.
[05:04] <|QuaD-> kensai: yup... it makes life more interesting
[05:04] <gangalino> "apt -i" is the way to install .debs, right?
[05:05] <kensai> gangalino, dpkg -i
[05:05] <gangalino> thanks
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> ineedhelp, LOL
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> nice nick
[05:07] <gangalino> root@mombassa:/home/cwa2 # dpkg -i gdm-themes_0.4_all.deb
[05:07] <gangalino> Selecting previously deselected package gdm-themes.
[05:07] <gangalino> (Reading database ... 69475 files and directories currently installed.)
[05:07] <gangalino> Unpacking gdm-themes (from gdm-themes_0.4_all.deb) ...
[05:07] <gangalino> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gdm-themes:
[05:07] <ineedhelp> has anyone installed unreal 2004 succesfuly?
[05:07] <gangalino>  gdm-themes depends on desktop-base (>= 0.3.15); however:
[05:07] <gangalino>   Version of desktop-base on system is 0.3.14.
[05:07] <gangalino> dpkg: error processing gdm-themes (--install):
[05:07] <gangalino>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:07] <gangalino> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:07] <gangalino>  gdm-themes
[05:07] <ineedhelp> has anyone installed unreal 2004 succesfuly?
[05:07] <gangalino> is there a way around this (if I really want to get around it)?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> gangalino: aargh! read the topic and stop pasting in the channel!
[05:07] <gangalino> 5-6 lines, stop crying
[05:08] <ineedhelp> has anyone installed unreal 2004 succesfuly?
[05:09] <ineedhelp> i get this error when i try to execute the install.linux.sh
[05:09] <ineedhelp> "/bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied"
[05:09] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[05:09] <kensai> ineedhelp, try to start it as root and see what happens
[05:09] <FX|Laptop> anyone have an idea how to get the new nvidia drivers to work?
[05:09] <amathis> FX|Laptop: yes
[05:10] <kensai> ineedhelp, I had that exact same problem
[05:10] <amathis> FX|Laptop: type 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx'
[05:10] <amathis> or have you done that?
[05:10] <FX|Laptop> I've had them installed, but hey are older and not the latest ones.
[05:10] <amathis> FX|Laptop: update then
[05:11] <amathis> then, after you install them, type 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable'
[05:11] <ineedhelp> i tried starting it as root still got the same
[05:11] <amathis> and reboot (or restart X)
[05:11] <kensai> ineedhelp, weird
[05:11] <FX|Laptop> apt-get update, then upgrade?
[05:11] <ineedhelp> yeah i thought so too
[05:12] <amathis> FX|Laptop: sure,
[05:12] <FX|Laptop> Well I just did update and nothing is there.
[05:12] <amathis> ok
[05:12] <amathis> then type that second command
[05:12] <amathis> and see if it works
[05:12] <amathis> unless you have an uber new card
[05:13] <amathis> like geforce 6800 pro
[05:13] <amathis> or something
[05:13] <amathis> and you have to get drivers directly from nvidia
[05:13] <FX|Laptop> No its a FX5100 go
[05:13] <amathis> ah
[05:13] <amathis> then drivers in apt-get should work great
[05:13] <amathis> just install them
[05:13] <amathis> and then type
[05:13] <amathis> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:13] <amathis> and reboot
[05:14] <MobyTurbo> or rather than rebooting, just restart X with control-alt-backspace (closing all windows first)
[05:14] <amathis> MobyTurbo: I said that also :)
[05:14] <amathis> up a lil
[05:14] <amathis> either way
[05:14] <amathis> doesn't matter
[05:14] <FX|Laptop> hmmm I got the drivers from nvidia today and ran the script, but when I rebooted it blacked screened on me.
[05:15] <amathis> FX|Laptop: well, you should have used apt-get ones
[05:15] <amathis> :/
[05:15] <amathis> it will write config for ya and everything
[05:15] <amathis> FX|Laptop: uninstall the binary
[05:15] <amathis> that nvidia gave you
[05:15] <amathis> and then use apt-get drivers and then enable it using sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:15] <rkatz> k, never mind I figured it out, thanks.
[05:15] <MobyTurbo> FX|Laptop, if you want to use nvidia's own packaging of drivers, you'll need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand.
[05:16] <khad> MobyTurbo, I don't think that's true
[05:16] <FX|Laptop> I did uninstall the binary. And I don't see the new drivers in apt and I did edit the XFree config file.
[05:16] <amathis> FX|Laptop: you need to make sure it loads glx (Load: "glx") and it has right driver name
[05:16] <amathis> khad: I beg to differ
[05:16] <Wirezd> hello
[05:17] <amathis> khad: unless system auto detects card, the binary will not edit it
[05:17] <amathis> and it will not load appropriate things
[05:17] <amathis> FX|Laptop: your best bet is to see if drivers from apt are installed, and then type 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable'
[05:17] <amathis> and then restart X
[05:17] <amathis> see if splash screen pops up
[05:17] <Wirezd> can anyone tell me how to change the screen resolution during ubuntu's boot?
[05:18] <khad> So there are nvidia cards that are not autodetected by the nvidia's own driver?
[05:18] <amathis> khad: that isn't what I said at all
[05:18] <FX|Laptop> I have the ubuntu nvidia drivers installed, but they are the 1.0.6111 drivers
[05:18] <amathis> khad: I mean that if your OS doesn't detect your card right, it will not write correct file
[05:18] <amathis> and in my experience nvidia binary didn't touch config
[05:19] <amathis> maybe the new ones do.
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> only partially
[05:19] <FX|Laptop> hmmm
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> then you have to make sure the nvidia line is in the XF86Config file
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> and restart X
[05:20] <khad> amathis: So the nividia driver config gets its card info from the OS not its own routines?
[05:20] <amathis> khad: dear lord? where are you getting this from what I say
[05:20] <amathis> I am talking about the OS writing a X86 config file
[05:20] <amathis> and loading glx if it detects an nvidia card
[05:20] <FX|Laptop> Yea I ran the script out of X. Then I had already had nvidia in place of nv in XFree. but on reboot I got a flash of the nvidia logo and then a black screen.
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:20] <amathis> THEN you don't have to edit it to get drivers working
[05:21] <amathis> but if OS doesn't, it will not load GLX and will prolly have vesa as your driver, whereas you will have to edit the config for drivers to work
[05:21] <khad> amathis: All I had to do was: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx; sudo nvidia-glx-config enable; sudo reboot
[05:21] <khad> amathis: I am just wondering why anyone would have to do differently?
[05:21] <amathis> khad: ok? we are talking abour nvidias .bin's right/
[05:21] <amathis> khad: wtf!
[05:21] <khad> amathis: That's where we differ
[05:22] <amathis> I was talking about nvidia binaries
[05:22] <amathis> as I thought you were seeming how that was the discussion.
[05:22] <FX|Laptop> ah crap, got called to work. I'll stop back later or tomorrow and maybe I can get this fixed.
[05:22] <khad> amathis: Makes sense that my experience was quite different then. Apologies
[05:22] <amathis> of course apt-get binaries are easy enough
[05:22] <amathis> khad: yes, I have done it both ways
[05:22] <FX|Laptop> thanks for some ideas
[05:22] <amathis> khad: the apt way is easier
[05:23] <khad> amathis: Is there a reason FX|Laptop could not simply use apt-get?
[05:23] <amathis> khad: he wouldn't listen to me I guess
[05:23] <amathis> khad: I told him many times to do three simple things
[05:24] <khad> Seems like trying to make a sandwich with your feet.
[05:24] <amathis> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx; sudo nvidia-glx-config enable; restart X
[05:25] <khad> What IRC clients are people using?
[05:25] <amathis> irssi rocks
[05:25] <amathis> most use xchat usually
[05:25] <khad> That's what I'm using, but I used gaim the other day. Just wondering why I would use one over the other
[05:26] <amathis> gaim sucks for IRC
[05:26] <khad> Why?
[05:26] <amathis> it is good for aim and yahoo etc..
[05:26] <amathis> but I just like CLI style irc :)
[05:26] <khad> Is there another style?
[05:26] <scoon> so i asked this early
[05:27] <scoon> earlier
[05:27] <scoon> anyone having problems importing mp3's into rhythmbox
[05:27] <scoon> ?
[05:27] <ed___> irssi
[05:28] <__learner__> I use mozilla firefox ChatZilla.
[05:28] <scoon> the nice thing about rhythmbox is that it uses my multimedia keys
[05:28] <scoon> that is really convenient
[05:28] <khad> scoon: I had Rhythmbox choke, but I'm not sure what it was. I know I have some weird filenames (upper ASCII).
[05:28] <scoon> and I have a lot of internet radio stations that i listen too
[05:29] <amathis> scoon: oof... apt-get install streamtuner
[05:29] <amathis> and use xmms :)
[05:29] <amathis> a BUNCH of radio stations
[05:29] <amathis> though live365 is down for the night
[05:29] <amathis> back tommorrow
[05:29] <__learner__> I want a good MSN client. Gaim is not good at that. Amsn crashes on my system.
[05:29] <scoon> streamtuner
[05:29] <scoon> ?
[05:29] <khad> streamtuner, eh?
[05:29] <scoon> never heard of it
[05:29] <amathis> yes
[05:29] <scoon> i will check it out
[05:29] <amathis> it is badass
[05:29] <scoon> amathis, thank you
[05:29] <amathis> though, don't expect to get most tonight
[05:29] <amathis> live365 is reorging
[05:29] <khad> streamtuner=media player??
[05:29] <amathis> apt get it
[05:30] <amathis> and then, it will show a plethora of internet radio stations
[05:30] <amathis> and you can right click and 'tune in'
[05:30] <amathis> and xmms will pop up and start playing it
[05:30] <amathis> khad: no, it is a prog that shows you many radio stations
[05:30] <amathis> and you can tune xmms into them
[05:30] <amathis> you can find a bunch of diff music
[05:31] <scoon> amathis
[05:31] <scoon> that looks good
[05:31] <amathis> scoon
[05:31] <amathis> :)
[05:32] <khad> amathis: I see. It looks like a client for the shoutcast.com Web site (among others).
[05:32] <amathis> scoon: just wait till tommorrow.. live365 will be back up
[05:32] <amathis> and there will be a lot more music
[05:32] <scoon> i new if i kept asking the same questions over and over
[05:32] <scoon> i'd get something worth reading.
[05:32] <khad> There is probably some convenience, but isn't shoutcast.com good enough?
[05:33] <amathis> khad: well, you get more then just shoutcast
[05:34] <khad> amathis: I guess the Webmail vs. mail client debate pertains, huh?
[05:34] <amathis> khad: nah, more like ninjas vs pirates
[05:34] <amathis> of course, ninjas always win
[05:35] <khad> amathis: Pirates have guns, though.
[05:35] <khad> amathis: Ninja. Bang. Dead ninja.
[05:35] <amathis> khad: ninjas have good juju
[05:35] <scoon> amathis, damn it is good
[05:35] <scoon> thanks again
[05:35] <amathis> scoon: well, live365 is dead ATM... so ... but that is where most of music is
[05:38] <scoon> amathis, check out khaha.com, all comedy, all un-censored
[05:38] <amathis> but I am only 11 o.o
[05:38] <amathis> is it 'pornographic?!'
[05:38] <amathis> j/k
[05:38] <khad> I was just wondering why streamtuner wasn't working, but then I realized that it doesn't actually play the music itself and I don't have xmms (the default player) installed.
[05:39] <khad> oops
[05:39] <scoon> khad, I changed my to beep-media-player, bmp has the same bindings as xmms
[05:39] <amathis> khad: hehe
[05:42] <khad> Now I'm distracted. I am listening to the khaha.com stream.
[05:43] <scoon> khad, rodney is the funniest mother fucker ever, even dead
[05:44] <amathis> is it free?
[05:44] <scoon> yes
[05:44] <tjs> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals suggests xorg packages are complete? are they available yet?
[05:44] <Burgundavia_> tjs, yes
[05:44] <scoon> i got it from streamtuner
[05:44] <Tsjoklat> tjs available yes stable no
[05:44] <Gmail> can ubuntu do this http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2004/08/20/0001.html
[05:44] <Gmail> LOL
[05:45] <Gmail> NetBSD on a toaster
[05:45] <tjs> apt-cache search xorg turns up nothing.. could I get a package name hint?
[05:45] <Gmail> can i run Ubuntu on my toaster?
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> tjs you are in hoary?
[05:46] <Tsjoklat> tjs make sure your sources.list reads: main restricted universe multiverse
[05:46] <Seq> Gmail: if your toaster has a pc in it, yes.
[05:46] <tjs> ok
[05:46] <Seq> Gmail: otherwise, upgrade your toaster
[05:46] <tjs> thanks
[05:46] <Tsjoklat> np tjs
[05:47] <k40z> .. is there an interface for GNU/Linux generally for reassigning/forcing IRQs (and not bios)?
[05:47] <Gmail> Seq: my toaster doesn't have a cd driver how do i install
[05:48] <khad> I have a toaster oven. Can I oveclock it?
[05:48] <Seq> Gmail: you'll have to contact your vendor
[05:49] <Gmail> Seq: lol
[05:51] <Nivlem> Anyone happen to be able and explain why fdisk is still showing a firewire device that isn't even plugged in anymore? fdisk -l /dev/sdb (also have /dev/sda, /dev/sdc they are active)
[05:52] <Nivlem> BTW I even rebooted to try and clear it...so it isn't a module reload,kill, restart issue
[05:53] <Gmail> ninkendo: is this on your toaster ran by ubuntu?
[05:53] <Gmail> i got an idea for the new ubuntu shop
[05:53] <Gmail> ubuntu-toasters
[06:00] <|QuaD-> what is the meeting?
[06:03] <hoary> hi guyz
[06:03] <hoary> i have upgrade to hoary
[06:03] <|QuaD-> hoary: cool
[06:04] <hoary> now i'm trying to configure the x but it shows me that
[06:04] <hoary> root@divino:~ # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:04] <hoary> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed
[06:04] <khad> I was running hoary but it wasn't stable enough for me.
[06:04] <hoary> :S
[06:04] <Seq> hoary: hoary doesn't have xfree86, it uses xorg
[06:04] <Seq> i think thats an automatic switch
[06:04] <hoary> ohh ok :S
[06:04] <hoary> Suq , how can I config xorg? :)
[06:04] <khad> Is there a way to revert back to warty after a hoary upgrade?
[06:04] <magneto> xorgconfig
[06:05] <magneto> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:05] <hoary> ok ;)
[06:05] <Tsjoklate> khad there is, but it is very tricky
[06:05] <Tsjoklate> khad there is a page on the wiki about it...
[06:05] <khad> Tsjoklate: Probably better that I reinstalled then.
[06:05] <Tsjoklate> khad yes I would say so
[06:07] <hoary> agrgr
[06:07] <hoary> xorg
[06:07] <hoary> i don't lied :S
[06:07] <hoary> i don't liked it:S
[06:07] <khad> Tsjoklate: I can't find the Wiki page. DO you know the link?
[06:08] <hoary> agrgr I liked xfree86
[06:08] <Tsjoklate> hoary you can 'pin' it
[06:08] <Tsjoklate> so that you don't have to upgrade to xorg if you don't want to
[06:08] <regeya> hm.
[06:09] <regeya> xorg isn't that different from xfree86.  yet.
[06:09] <hoary> the front end :)
[06:09] <hoary> Tsjoklate hoary you can 'pin' it? how can I use xfree86?
[06:10] <hoary> :S
[06:10] <|QuaD-> hoary: there is no "front end"
[06:10] <hoary> yes, by console
[06:10] <Tsjoklate> hoary synaptic.. open that up
[06:11] <hoary> but the blue menu, I don't know...
[06:11] <hoary> jeje ok :)
[06:11] <hoary> but, the graphic will not work !
[06:11] <hoary> :S
[06:11] <Tsjoklate> then search: xfree
[06:11] <hoary> ok
[06:11] <Tsjoklate> when the package shows up it has a green block in front of it
[06:11] <Tsjoklate> select the package
[06:12] <Tsjoklate> then package - lock
[06:12] <Tsjoklate> it will put a lock on the icon
[06:12] <Tsjoklate> do that with all three packages
[06:12] <Tsjoklate> and it won't upgrade to xorg
[06:12] <Tsjoklate> if you want to change it.. same deal.. select packaga unlock
[06:13] <Tsjoklate> got it?
[06:13] <Wirezd> where can i find the ubuntu logo for using it as an icon??
[06:20] <jdodson> knock, knock.
[06:21] <khad> Who's there?
[06:21] <jdodson> jdodson
[06:21] <khad> jdodson who?
[06:21] <jdodson> jdodson looking for a developer to talk to.......  yeah that wasnt funny, sorry, it should have been.
[06:22] <|QuaD-> jdodson: why do you need one
[06:22] <jdodson> |QuAD: well i do need my oil changed...... heh, ok i will stop with the dumb jokes.  i wanted to talk with someone about becoming a package maintainer.
[06:22] <|QuaD-> oh
[06:22] <|QuaD-> what package
[06:23] <jdodson> good question.
[06:23] <jdodson> they would no better than me what packages need maintaining.
[06:23] <|QuaD-> hehe... i want a sunbird package
[06:23] <|QuaD-> and an nvu package
[06:23] <jdodson> i want a doom3 package....... :)
[06:24] <jdodson> not a freedom package though.
[06:24] <jdodson> i just wondered how to go about applying for a mentorship(the site mentions talking to a developer and having them mentor you).
[06:25] <|QuaD-> jdodson: when you find out let me know :)
[06:25] <jdodson> |Quad: HA!  ok.
[06:35] <CaseysZ28_> i am still haveing problems getting gkrellm to run on my amd64 install of ubuntu
[06:37] <khad> What are people using for Audio CD burning?
[06:37] <|QuaD-> CaseysZ28_: it works on my x86 install
[06:37] <jdodson>  k3b
[06:37] <billytwowilly> k3b... atleast I would be using that if the packages weren't mildly borken in hoary.
[06:37] <|QuaD-> k3b uses kdelibs
[06:37] <|QuaD-> blah
[06:37] <khad> I think something is wrong with my CD setup in Ubuntu
[06:37] <jdodson> ya, sometimes renders gnome unbootable.... i guess i would call that mildly broken.
[06:37] <Hikaru79> khad, why's that?
[06:38] <|QuaD-> jdodson: yup
[06:38] <khad> Every CD I have burned so far has either not finished properly or reported complete but the CD didn't work
[06:38] <CaseysZ28_> yeah but it isn't in my amd64 repositories
[06:39] <CaseysZ28_> because it should be in universe and it isn't there
[06:39] <khad> I am using a Plextor PX-708A
[06:39] <khad> Does anyone else experience strange CD burning problems?
[06:40] <Hikaru79> khad, what are you using to burn? Nautilus?
[06:40] <khad> I have used Nautilus and k3b to no success
[06:40] <khad> Nautilus does not have a log that I know of so I can't see where things go wrong.
[06:41] <CaseysZ28_> i really like this distro but if i can't get things to work properly looks like i am going to have to go back to gentoo
[06:41] <khad> I don't really know where to start troubleshooting.
[06:42] <farruinn> CaseysZ28_: I know that some packages that aren't in the repos for ppc are availble as source
[06:42] <khad> Are there simple tests I can put the CD burner through to see where the problem lies?
[06:42] <CaseysZ28_> i have tried the source as well but it doesn't seem to want to work either
[06:42] <khad> Like burning a single audio track or a test ISO or something?
[06:43] <farruinn> CaseysZ28_: with apt or downloading tarballs or something?
[06:43] <CaseysZ28_> bot
[06:43] <CaseysZ28_> both
[06:43] <farruinn> :-/
[06:44] <CaseysZ28_> i can get it to the point of wanting libgtop-dev
[06:44] <CaseysZ28_> i can't find that package anywhere
[06:45] <tom_> hey
[06:45] <farruinn> Have you read this page? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[06:45] <Tsjoklat> CaseysZ28_ do you have universe and multiverse in your sources.list?
[06:45] <farruinn> apt-get build-dep will d/l, build, install the dependencies
[06:46] <CaseysZ28_> yes
[06:46] <CaseysZ28_> i think i just got it to override it just a sec
[06:47] <CaseysZ28_> nope didn't work.  it gave me an error saying gnome wasn't found
[06:47] <tom_> what are you guys trying to do?
[06:48] <bitserf> what is the latest linux thinking on encrypted filesystems?
[06:48] <CaseysZ28_> i am trying to get gkrellm to work on my amd64 install
[06:48] <khad> Does anyone even have a link to a site for troubleshooting CD burning in Ubuntu?
[06:49] <tom_> ah okay
[06:49] <bitserf> i don't want to run into the scenario i had before where i used cryptoloop, and lost data since i couldn't get the 2.6 kernel with support for the particular algorithm going on new hardware :)
[06:49] <CaseysZ28_> farruinn: i have tried all of that on that page
[06:50] <farruinn> CaseysZ28_: don't know what to tell you then =(
[06:50] <tom_> gkrellm doesn't come with the install does it?
[06:50] <CaseysZ28_> tom_:
[06:50] <CaseysZ28_> nope
[06:50] <CaseysZ28_> sorry
[06:50] <tom_> so it's all installed but can't find gnome?
[06:51] <CaseysZ28_> durring the configure process of libgtop-dev it couldn't find gnome
[06:51] <CaseysZ28_> and that is what i am using
[06:51] <tom_> hmm
[06:52] <tom_> well, this goes beyond my experience :)
[06:52] <tom_> i just dropped by to see if anyone has had problems with the VESA xfree86 driver and AMD64 arch
[06:54] <CaseysZ28_> the nvidia-glx stuff works perfectly
[06:54] <tom_> yeah, i've heard it's really good
[06:54] <tom_> unfortunately, because my vidcard is only an onboard Unichrome Pro, i've got either VESA or VGA to choose from
[06:54] <CaseysZ28_> yeah
[06:55] <CaseysZ28_> VESA should work fine because people with laptops are using it
[06:55] <tom_> AMD64 laptops?
[06:55] <CaseysZ28_> now that i don't know
[06:56] <CaseysZ28_> you could always try it and see
[06:56] <tom_> yeah i have, with disturbing results :)
[06:57] <CaseysZ28_> hehehehe
[06:57] <CaseysZ28_> that can happen sometimes
[06:57] <neoxed> after doing ./configure when installing a program should i have to do any thing else?
[06:57] <tom_> it seems to kill the framebuffer, so even normal text, ie not X, are no more than dots
[06:57] <tom_> so it gets in, complains about not running, and then the comp is practically unuseable
[06:58] <tom_> neoxed: what program?
[06:58] <neoxed> centericq-4.12.0
[06:58] <CaseysZ28_> could you not alt+ctl+backspace to kill X
[06:58] <tom_> ah, but it wasn't running
[06:59] <tom_> it just overwrites whatever the vidcard has in it's buffer
[06:59] <thoreauputic> neoxed: make , then sudo make install
[06:59] <tom_> so no normal characters are in there
[06:59] <tom_> yeah, make install needs su privileges
[06:59] <CaseysZ28_> nasty
[06:59] <tom_> yeah, it's a real problem, cos now i am running in 640x480
[07:00] <tom_> with 4 bit colour (FOUR!)
[07:00] <neoxed> if this works i will be so mad at my self hehe
[07:01] <neoxed> iv been trying to install lots of programs but didnt know anthing but ./configure heh
[07:01] <tom_> yeah it helps a lot
[07:01] <tom_> :)
[07:01] <tom_> i was doing that a while back as well
[07:01] <neoxed> hehe
[07:01] <CaseysZ28_> you could always sudo apt-get install <packagename>
[07:02] <neoxed> add's that line to NeoXeds's Tex Doc Of Commands
[07:02] <neoxed> HEHE
[07:03] <neoxed> my synaptic packet manager wont open any more :/
[07:03] <CaseysZ28_> make sure you have the universe line it /etc/apt/sources.list uncommented and everything should be fine
[07:04] <neoxed> okia
[07:04] <CaseysZ28_> guess what people :):):) gkrellm is running
[07:04] <CaseysZ28_> :)
[07:04] <farruinn> cool, what magic did you have to work?
[07:05] <CaseysZ28_> i was able to compile it without libgtop-dev
[07:05] <CaseysZ28_> just a sec for the exact lines
[07:06] <CaseysZ28_> sudo dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -d
[07:06] <CaseysZ28_> and it works
[07:06] <tom_> nice one
[07:07] <CaseysZ28_> that was after the sudo apt-get source gkrellm by the way
[07:07] <CaseysZ28_> only thing is though that it built everything in my home directory
[07:08] <CaseysZ28_> can i just copy the binary to /usr/bin and be oK?
[07:08] <farruinn> it should have output a .deb
[07:08] <farruinn> that  you can dpkg -i *.deb
[07:09] <CaseysZ28_> yep that worked
[07:10] <neoxed> omg
[07:10] <neoxed> its still makeing this lol
[07:10] <neoxed> takeing forever
[07:10] <CaseysZ28_> what are you making?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> neoxed: this is why we don't use gentoo ;)
[07:11] <CaseysZ28_> farruinn: now can i delete the source in my home directory?
[07:11] <farruinn> rm  -rf <dir>
[07:11] <CaseysZ28_> gentoo does take a while to complete
[07:12] <farruinn> and the nice thing about apt is that you can get rid of the .debs and still be able to apt-get remove <pkg> if you have to
[07:12] <neoxed> finaly done
[07:13] <CaseysZ28_> i proly should have saved the debs huh....
[07:13] <thoreauputic> neoxed: I compiled gimp2 when it came out - took about 45 minutes on a 2 gig box :)
[07:13] <CaseysZ28_> for other people? or would that have done anyone else any good?
[07:13] <neoxed> make[1] : *** [install-recursive]  Error 1
[07:13] <neoxed> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/neoxed/centericq-4.12.0/libicq2000-0.1'
[07:13] <farruinn> CaseysZ28_: I think you're fin
[07:13] <farruinn> e
[07:13] <neoxed> any one know the meaning of that heh
[07:14] <CaseysZ28_> thoreauputic: when i installed gentoo it took about 4 hours to compile xorg on my amd64 3200
[07:14] <thoreauputic> CaseysZ28_: heh - I've heard OpenOffice takes about half a day for most people ;)
[07:14] <CaseysZ28_> damn
[07:16] <neoxed> ok after sudo make install any thing else i need to do?
[07:16] <farruinn> neoxed run it
[07:16] <thoreauputic> neoxed: that should be it
[07:17] <neoxed> whould it put it in my applications any where?
[07:18] <CaseysZ28_> proly not
[07:18] <neoxed> any clue what i whould type to run it?
[07:18] <farruinn> neoxed, it probably installed the binaries to /usr/bin/
[07:18] <neoxed> im sorry i am mega newbish
[07:18] <CaseysZ28_> its ok we all were at one time
[07:19] <thoreauputic> neoxed: type ` which <nameofapp> ` to see where it is, but you only need to type the command if it's installed in your $PATH - as it should be
[07:20] <neoxed> /usr/local/bin/centericq
[07:21] <CaseysZ28_> what does echo $PATH say?
[07:21] <farruinn> oy, I did mean /usr/local/bin, sorry
[07:21] <thoreauputic> when something is compiled it normally lands in /usr/local/bin - that way it doesn't interfer with existing packages installed in the places apt puts them
[07:22] <neoxed> ok ic
[07:22] <neoxed> thanks guys its working
[07:23] <CaseysZ28_> any time
[07:24] <neoxed> aw man this is a command yahoo
[07:24] <neoxed> :/
[07:24] <neoxed> i dunno how to work it lol
[07:25] <thoreauputic> neoxed: try typing centericq --help at a prompt (or -help - varies with apps) Of course there's always the man page ;)
[07:26] <neoxed> okia
[07:26] <thoreauputic> neoxed: why are you usinfg this? Won't gaim do icq for you?
[07:26] <thoreauputic> *using
[07:27] <CaseysZ28_> it should
[07:27] <neoxed> well im not wanting it for icq
[07:27] <neoxed> im wanting yahoo
[07:27] <CaseysZ28_> gaim does yahoo as well
[07:27] <neoxed> this prog had yahoo msn aim icq all in it
[07:27] <neoxed> dose it?
[07:27] <neoxed> it says just aim/icq on the one i have now
[07:28] <thoreauputic> it does jabber as well, and IRC
[07:28] <CaseysZ28_> yep yep
[07:28] <neoxed> maybe i need to download a newer gaim?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> and msn, for that matter
[07:28] <CaseysZ28_> i have the one that came installed
[07:28] <CaseysZ28_> sudo apt-get update
[07:29] <thoreauputic> neoxed: the one you have will probably work fine
[07:29] <CaseysZ28_> sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:29] <bur[n] er> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gaim
[07:29] <CaseysZ28_> if you want to get the newest packages for everything
[07:29] <neoxed> omg
[07:29] <neoxed> you guys are right
[07:29] <neoxed> ima moron srry
[07:29] <neoxed> heh
[07:30] <CaseysZ28_> ubuntu seems to use bunches of memory
[07:30] <bur[n] er> drop down boxes are crazy ;)
[07:30] <khadyoung> Can anyone help with CD burning troubleshooting?
[07:30] <CaseysZ28_> lol
[07:30] <CaseysZ28_> what you using?
[07:30] <bur[n] er> cd burning using what app?
[07:30] <CaseysZ28_> k3b?
[07:31] <khadyoung> Any app. I have tried Nautilus and k3b
[07:31] <thoreauputic> neoxed: look at it this way - you learnt to compile stuff (useful), and if X gives up for some reason you have a CLI client on hand ;)
[07:31] <bur[n] er> can't do it?
[07:31] <bur[n] er> try "sudo k3b"
[07:31] <khadyoung> It chokes halfway through
[07:31] <bur[n] er> there are some weird issues if you don't run as root
[07:31] <bur[n] er> halfway through??
[07:31] <khadyoung> Yeah, I know, I was running as root
[07:32] <bur[n] er> odd, never heard of that, try slowing the speed?
[07:32] <khadyoung> Not halfway exactly, but it doesn't finish
[07:32] <khadyoung> I suppose I'll try slowing the speed, but that seems weird
[07:32] <bur[n] er> is your buffer losing it?
[07:32] <khadyoung> I have a pretty decent computer with a Plextor PX-708A
[07:32] <khadyoung> Latest firmware
[07:32] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: using sudo with k3b will lock ~/.ICEauthority and make it hard to get back into gnome
[07:32] <neoxed> today when i was installing packages my hard drive locked up so now when i try to open Synaptic Package Manager it gives me this error *dpkg was interrupted you must manually run dpkg -- configure -a to correct the problem" but me being new to linux i havent a clue what to do hehe
[07:33] <thoreauputic> you have to delete the file or change it
[07:33] <bur[n] er> heh, i saw that .ICEauthority file issue on my laptop, wondered where it came from ;)
[07:33] <CaseysZ28_> what it says
[07:33] <khadyoung> So that's where that ICEauthority problem came from
[07:33] <bur[n] er> sudo chown username:username ~/.ICEauthority
[07:33] <khadyoung> I just deleted the file
[07:33] <bur[n] er> or that
[07:33] <khadyoung> ;)
[07:33] <bur[n] er> thoreauputic: what do you suggest for using k3b then?  it doesn't work without root with the kernel in ubuntu
[07:34] <farruinn> neoxed: run sudo dpkg --conrigure -a at the command line
[07:34] <farruinn> er, that's configure
[07:34] <bur[n] er> supposedly the newest k3b 11.18 fixes this, but i have yet to use 2.6.9 kernel or 11.18 of k3b
[07:34] <neoxed> okia
[07:34] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: dunno - I'm actually running debian - I just am interested in ubuntu
[07:34] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: I'm on dilaup so I need to get a cd ;)
[07:35] <bur[n] er> (to be honest, i run kanotix, but I really like gnome ;)
[07:35] <neoxed> i beleave its working
[07:35] <neoxed> sweet
[07:35] <neoxed> fixed it
[07:35] <bur[n] er> thoreauputic: best part about ubuntu... the HAL/DBUS popup an icon on the desktop for mounted removable media stuff!
[07:35] <neoxed> farruninn: thanks man
[07:36] <bur[n] er> works flawlessly form e
[07:36] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: cool :)
[07:36] <khadyoung> Does anyone else have burning not complete properly?
[07:36] <bur[n] er> gnome has a ways to go in terms of usability though
[07:37] <farruinn> bur[n] er: I strongly agree with that
[07:37] <bur[n] er> khadyoung: works for me... sorry :\
[07:37] <CaseysZ28_> now cdrdao doesn't want to compile for the amd64
[07:37] <khadyoung> I feel like I am crazy
[07:37] <bur[n] er> quit taking crazy pills!
[07:37] <khadyoung> Nobody else has burning problems?
[07:38] <bur[n] er> just burnt "The OpenCD 2.0" from an .iso onto a cdrw with no probs about 15 minutes ago
[07:38] <CaseysZ28_> i can't get cdrdao to compile if that suffices
[07:38] <khadyoung> Maybe it had something to do with burning from vfat partition.
[07:38] <CaseysZ28_> possible
[07:38] <bur[n] er> khadyoung: i don't think so... my .iso was on my fat32 partition :\
[07:39] <bur[n] er> but could be that you're going from straight data to it?  i dunno to be honest
[07:39] <khadyoung> CaseysZ28_: That seems to be a different issue entirely. :)
[07:39] <bur[n] er> doesn't ubuntu have a bugtracker?
[07:39] <bur[n] er> u could check that
[07:39] <bur[n] er> bugs.ubuntulinux.org maybe?
[07:39] <khadyoung> Um...
[07:39] <khadyoung> Ah. You mean a Web site. Not a program.
[07:39] <bur[n] er> nope, not a site ;)
[07:39] <arakno> bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org I think
[07:39] <khadyoung> So far I haven't found anything. But I'll keep looking
[07:40] <neoxed> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[07:40] <neoxed> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[07:40] <neoxed> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[07:40] <neoxed> X_X
[07:40] <bur[n] er> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[07:40] <bur[n] er> neoxed: add universe to your sources
[07:40] <thoreauputic> haha
[07:41] <bur[n] er> twm.... ewwwwwwwwwwww
[07:41] <neoxed> how do i do that?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: heh - it's green!
[07:41] <bur[n] er> neoxed: in synaptic... edit sources?  or edit repositories?
[07:41] <bur[n] er> something like that
[07:42] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: whatever else you might think about twm - it's blazingly fast !
[07:43] <bur[n] er> fluxbox is just as fast, but prettier ;)
[07:43] <bur[n] er> and more functional
[07:43] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: very true
[07:43] <neoxed> is it a package?
[07:43] <bur[n] er> neoxed: no no no...
[07:43] <bur[n] er> in the options
[07:43] <bur[n] er> one sec
[07:43] <bur[n] er> i'll get synaptic figure it out
[07:43] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: I just ran it in Xnest to play with it
[07:43] <neoxed> :)
[07:43] <bur[n] er> right on
[07:44] <bur[n] er> thoreauputic: quick question about debian... do you run gnome by any chance?
[07:44] <thoreauputic> I have it - but I use fluxbox almost always
[07:44] <neoxed> set an internal option maybe?
[07:44] <thoreauputic> my gnome is rather old - 2.4
[07:45] <bur[n] er> me too :)   does your nautilus work by chance? ....nevermind, i'm trying 2.8
[07:45] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: I dislike nautilus - I use rox filer
[07:45] <bur[n] er> i was going to show a friend gnome using my debian box, but no icons and no nautilus
[07:45] <bur[n] er> i would use rox... but rox can't do smb:/ or ssh:/
[07:45] <bur[n] er> or sftp:/
[07:46] <bur[n] er> neoxed: in synaptic... 'settings' 'repositories'
[07:46] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: I use the terminal for those, and for fish://
[07:46] <bur[n] er> neoxed; uncheck the top two and check the box with universe
[07:46] <bur[n] er> term for fish:// ??? bleh, not fun
[07:47] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: I also have nfs set up, and I can run rox remotely with ssh -X
[07:47] <bur[n] er> i've never done nfs, i always use samba
[07:47] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: lftp does fish - it's much better than ftp
[07:47] <neoxed> 7 things in here none say universe
[07:47] <bur[n] er> lftp does fish?  right on, i didn't know that
[07:47] <neoxed> o wait
[07:47] <neoxed> im srry n/m
[07:47] <bur[n] er> i always use konqueror
[07:47] <neoxed> there thay are
[07:48] <khadyoung> What is fish?
[07:48] <bur[n] er> neoxed: after you change it... do an update
[07:48] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: lftp fish://url.here.org
[07:48] <bur[n] er> fish:// == file transfer over ssh... essentially scp
[07:48] <thoreauputic> yes
[07:48] <neoxed> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[07:48] <neoxed> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/Release
[07:48] <neoxed> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/source/Sources.gz
[07:48] <neoxed> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/source/Release
[07:48] <neoxed> says it cannot download
[07:48] <bur[n] er> thanks for the tip thoreauputic :)
[07:48] <thoreauputic> no problem :)
[07:49] <bur[n] er> well neoxed, i don't know what to say about htat
[07:49] <restrex> bye guyz
[07:49] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: konq does fish too, of course
[07:49] <bur[n] er> bye restrex
[07:49] <restrex> ;)
[07:49] <bur[n] er> thoreauputic: i know ;)  that's what i use!
[07:49] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:49] <bur[n] er> it's a pain to launch konq from fluxbox though
[07:49] <bur[n] er> esp. when i use mostly gtk based apps
[07:50] <neoxed> ar
[07:50] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: yes, I dislike using kde apps in fluxbox
[07:50] <bur[n] er> wish gftp would do fish links
[07:50] <bur[n] er> it does do sftp which is decent
[07:50] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: if you run kdebug you can turn off all the rubbish that kde apps dump in your terminal
[07:51] <thoreauputic> speeds things up a bit
[07:51] <bur[n] er> kde apps don't dump things in my term
[07:51] <thoreauputic> no?
[07:51] <neoxed> now its downloading them
[07:51] <bur[n] er> i usually just do an 'alt+f2' for my fbrun dialog and type konq
[07:51] <bur[n] er> neoxed: nice work ;)
[07:51] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: ah, yes, that works
[07:52] <neoxed> ts got some cd rom issue but who cares
[07:52] <neoxed> lol
[07:52] <bur[n] er> alt+f2 is my friend in any WM :)
[07:52] <khadyoung> My F2 key doesn't work
[07:53] <bur[n] er> heh
[07:53] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: I have my flux keys set up with the "windows" key, so I do Mod4-r for fbrun
[07:53] <bur[n] er> shitty
[07:53] <bur[n] er> to each their own :)
[07:53] <neoxed> i still get this error when i do ./configure
[07:53] <neoxed> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[07:53] <neoxed> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[07:53] <neoxed> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[07:54] <bur[n] er> as a side note, i recently built a live cd that uses fluxbox
[07:54] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: that's one of the nice things about fluxbox - very configurable :)
[07:54] <bur[n] er> definately!  wish metacity would have better hotkey support
[07:54] <bur[n] er> gnome should've never dropped sawfish
[07:54] <neoxed> o i gotta install kde packages now right?
[07:54] <bur[n] er> it was everything i ever wanted
[07:54] <farruinn> neoxed, what are you building now?
[07:54] <bur[n] er> neoxed: yeah ;)
[07:55] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: used to be "acme" for key bindings in metacity - but I think new gnome has it built in
[07:55] <neoxed> apollon-0.9.3
[07:55] <neoxed> :)
[07:55] <bur[n] er> new gnome... as in 2.8?
[07:55] <bur[n] er> it has hotkey support, but not really worth a damn
[07:55] <bur[n] er> you can't even tell it to launch an application that you specify
[07:56] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: as I said, mine is old - but I believe acme is now deprecated in favour of a key binding thing in gnome
[07:56] <bur[n] er> xfwm4 is another window manager with crap hotkey support
[07:56] <bur[n] er> more configurable than gnome, harder to get to, and limited to 10
[07:56] <bur[n] er> thoreauputic: i know what you're talking about... it's too basic though :\  nothing like khotkeys or fluxbox's hotkey support
[07:57] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: I'm very happy with fluxbox - I'm even attempting to write my own style for it
[07:57] <neoxed> jesus
[07:57] <neoxed> now
[07:57] <neoxed> its says
[07:57] <neoxed> kde-amusements:
[07:57] <neoxed>  Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed
[07:57] <neoxed>  Depends: kdeedu but it is not going to be installed
[07:57] <neoxed>  Depends: kdegames but it is not going to be installed
[07:57] <neoxed>  Depends: kdetoys but it is not going to be installed
[07:57] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: but it's a bit tricky :/ (writing a style I mean)
[07:58] <thoreauputic> neoxed: hmm.. broken packages
[07:58] <CaseysZ28_> does anyone use ubuntu for a server ?
[07:58] <bur[n] er> thoreauputic: just take another style... start messing with it and soon you'll have your own :)
[07:59] <bur[n] er> make your own pixmaps and stuff too of course
[07:59] <bur[n] er> fluxmod.dk is a good starting point
[07:59] <neoxed> things all ways go bad for me X_X
[07:59] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: yeah, I'm using a style called "Simple Smooth Grey" as a basis ;)
[07:59] <bur[n] er> shitty... sounds like bad packages
[07:59] <bur[n] er> right on thoreauputic
[08:00] <neoxed> theres alot of packages in here
[08:00] <neoxed> that say there installed
[08:00] <thoreauputic> I can't work out how to change the colour of the part of the task bar that shows iconified apps, though ;/
[08:01] <neoxed> but when i click on them it asks me to mark them for installation
[08:01] <thoreauputic> well. gotta go - have fun :)
[08:02] <bur[n] er> thoreauputic: documentation is down...
[08:02] <bur[n] er> but when it's back up...
[08:02] <bur[n] er> check the .9 faq
[08:02] <bur[n] er> you'll find it there, or in the changelog
[08:02] <bur[n] er> i forget :\
[08:02] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: yeah - I have the docs on my hard drive, actually
[08:03] <bur[n] er> cool
[08:03] <bur[n] er> have a good night
[08:03] <bur[n] er> good luck with your style
[08:03] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: thanks - see ou :)
[08:03] <thoreauputic> *you
[08:04] <CaseysZ28_> has anyone used ubuntu for a server os yet?
[08:06] <farruinn> CaseysZ28_: maybe search the forums and mailing list archives
[08:07] <CaseysZ28_> honestly i will proly just use debian or slackware
[08:11] <Gmail> why is ubuntu's bugzilla soooo slow
[08:12] <neoxed> you think i could sell Shells for ircd on a cable modem HEHE?
[08:13] <Gmail> is bugzilla like some type of deamon?
[08:17] <carthikHome> gTKPod works!
[08:18] <CaseysZ28_> carthikHome: and it works rather well too
[08:19] <carthikHome> CaseysZ28_, tell me about it... I think it's a little bit better than iTunes (file name parsing...copying to hard disk, the works)
[08:19] <CaseysZ28_> the best thing is you can remove the songs you put on your ipod
[08:20] <CaseysZ28_> instead of them being there forever
[08:20] <CaseysZ28_> you can also use it as a portable hard drive
[08:20] <carthikHome> CaseysZ28_, yup
[08:21] <carthikHome> though I think both these could be done with iTunes too, with the right preferences...
[08:21] <carthikHome> autosync was a PiTA
[08:22] <CaseysZ28_> how do i get smbmount to work?
[08:24] <carthikHome> CaseysZ28_, i thought there was a page on the wiki that explained the samba business rather well, but I don't know if that's what you are talking about
[08:27] <CaseysZ28_> it just keeps giving me the error that smbmount is a bad command
[08:27] <CaseysZ28_> so i guess i have to go find it and install it
[08:38] <Hikaru79> Can Nautilus' CD burner do DVD's?
[08:39] <NanoTek> Does anyone succeed to install mplayer (in instable) with warty ?
[08:43] <Hikaru79> NanoTek, I have. Both from Synaptic and from compile
[08:48] <NanoTek> Hikaru79, I've tried to install it on a fresh install but he doesn't want because of versions of libarts and cie !
[08:48] <Hikaru79> Hm. Have you tried updating those through Synaptic?
[08:49] <NanoTek> yep
[08:49] <NanoTek> but i have suceed one weeks ago and now i can't :/
[08:49] <Hikaru79> Hmm
[08:49] <Hikaru79> o_o Strange
[08:49] <Hikaru79> Are you using binary or source/
[08:49] <Hikaru79> *?
[08:52] <NanoTek> binary
[08:52] <NanoTek> :p
[08:52] <Hikaru79> Even wierder!
[08:52] <RuffianSoldier> hey
[08:52] <Hikaru79> Last thing I can think of is trying this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[08:52] <RuffianSoldier> i need help
[08:52] <Hikaru79> Hey, RuffianSoldier :)
[08:52] <RuffianSoldier> hey Hikaru
[08:52] <RuffianSoldier> i got xorg problems
[08:52] <RuffianSoldier> im inconsole :-/
[08:53] <Hikaru79> x_x Ouch.
[08:53] <Hikaru79> I never installed xorg when switching to Hoary. I anticipated problems :P
[08:53] <RuffianSoldier> Somone ass here told me I can change xorg.conf to 32 bit color instead of 24 - and now X wont start
[08:53] <RuffianSoldier> I even changed it back
[08:53] <RuffianSoldier> and reconfigured X
[08:53] <RuffianSoldier> should i reinstall?
[08:54] <Hikaru79> If you changed it back, it's not fine?
[08:54] <RuffianSoldier> still wont start
[08:54] <Hikaru79> What does it say?
[08:54] <RuffianSoldier> hold on
[08:54] <RuffianSoldier> Depth 32 not supported by Savage driver
[08:54] <RuffianSoldier> no screens found
[08:55] <RuffianSoldier> screens found but no usable configuration
[08:55] <RuffianSoldier> :0/
[08:55] <Hikaru79> If it's saying that, then you haven't switched the file back right, apparently =/
[08:55] <Hikaru79> xorg.conf is the file right?
[08:55] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[08:55] <RuffianSoldier> I nanod its ass
[08:55] <Hikaru79> Hm
[08:55] <Hikaru79> LOL
[08:55] <RuffianSoldier> and I went back a double checked
[08:56] <Hikaru79> And then did you reboot?
[08:57] <RuffianSoldier> no
[08:57] <RuffianSoldier> should I reboot?
[08:57] <Hikaru79> Yeah, try that. Xorg probably didn't recheck the file yet.
[08:58] <defunkt> hey yall
[08:58] <Hikaru79> Hi, defunkt
[08:58] <Hikaru79> :)
[08:58] <defunkt> hello Hikaru79, how are you
[08:59] <Hikaru79> Not too bad
[08:59] <Hikaru79> Just... tired ;_;
[08:59] <Hikaru79> It's 3:00 AM
[08:59] <defunkt> yeah - me too
[08:59] <Hikaru79> =/
[08:59] <defunkt> still have to clean up from the party
[08:59] <Hikaru79> Hehe
[08:59] <Hikaru79> was it fun? :)
[08:59] <defunkt> meh.  about 80 people showed up
[08:59] <defunkt> 3 kegs
[08:59] <Hikaru79> :|
[08:59] <Hikaru79> Not bad, lol
[08:59] <Hikaru79> Oh
[08:59] <defunkt> nah got in a fight tho
[08:59] <Hikaru79> I was thinking LAN party
[08:59] <defunkt> oh no lol
[08:59] <Hikaru79> I'm such a geek *blush*
[09:00] <defunkt> no i'm a geek too trust me
[09:00] <Hikaru79> =P
[09:00] <ctd> Most of us are.
[09:00] <Hikaru79> Geek pride 8-)
[09:00] <Rene_S> I am just old, too old to be a geek
[09:00] <defunkt> weeee! 8^B
[09:02] <frankps> hi all
[09:02] <oRuffianSldier> meh
[09:02] <Hikaru79> Welcome back, oRuffianSldier. No luck, I'm guessing? :(
[09:02] <oRuffianSldier> nope
[09:02] <defunkt> hi frankps
[09:02] <Hikaru79> ;_;
[09:02] <oRuffianSldier> :-/
[09:02] <oRuffianSldier> get the same erro
[09:02] <oRuffianSldier> should I switch back to XFree?
[09:03] <oRuffianSldier> Xorg did work
[09:03] <Hikaru79> I suppose...
[09:03] <oRuffianSldier> I mean - it used to
[09:04] <oRuffianSldier> should I reinstall?
[09:04] <oRuffianSldier> apt-get remove xserver-xorg then apt-get install xserver-xorg?
[09:04] <Hikaru79> Well, not quite yet.
[09:04] <oRuffianSldier> ok
[09:04] <Hikaru79> Maybe try asking someone in here with a bit more expertise :P
[09:04] <oRuffianSldier> bob2
[09:04] <oRuffianSldier> you there
[09:05] <defunkt> anyone in here running quake3 on ubuntu?
[09:05] <ctd> What's wrong?
[09:05] <zenlunatic> How is this distro different from debian unstable?
[09:05] <oRuffianSldier> Who here knows a bunch about Xorg?
[09:05] <oRuffianSldier> zenlunatic - LOTS!
[09:05] <ctd> oRuffianSldier: daniels would
[09:06] <oRuffianSldier> daniels - ya there?
[09:06] <ctd> I think he's sleeping now, though(?)
[09:06] <oRuffianSldier> baah
[09:06] <ctd> Don't know too much of spain time though. ;)
[09:06] <decklin> oRuffianSldier: paste your xorg.conf at rafb.net/paste/ , maybe someone can spot something
[09:07] <oRuffianSldier> haha - paste it lol
[09:07] <oRuffianSldier> im in console only
[09:07] <zenlunatic> oRuffianSldier where can i read the differences? im curious about switching from debian/
[09:08] <NanoTek> cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE (replace XFree86.0.log with the log of Xorg)
[09:08] <NanoTek> :p
[09:08] <RuffianSoldier> what will that do?
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> Cant I just reinstall it?
[09:09] <KiwiNZ>  anyone know of a good superkaramba theme that shows basic info.... (pref. not cynapses)
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> apt-get remove xserver-xorg && apt-get install xserver-xorg ?
[09:10] <RuffianSoldier> wont that be safe?
[09:11] <decklin> you would need to --purge it if your intention is to wipe out your config file.
[09:11] <RuffianSoldier> how?
[09:12] <farruinn> RuffianSoldier: apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg
[09:12] <farruinn> although you may want to just try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg first
[09:13] <RuffianSoldier> I have been
[09:13] <RuffianSoldier> still wont start :-/
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> how do I remove that?
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> is there a console command?
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> i have mc also
[09:19] <neoxed> this is so cool
[09:19] <RuffianSoldier> what is?
[09:19] <neoxed> im installing programs on linux
[09:19] <neoxed> for the frist time ever
[09:19] <RuffianSoldier> .....................
[09:19] <neoxed> i feel god like
[09:19] <neoxed> lol
[09:19] <RuffianSoldier> well of course
[09:19] <RuffianSoldier> in Linux - you know what happens on your computer
[09:19] <RuffianSoldier> unlike Windowzs
[09:20] <RuffianSoldier> whats a console command to remove a file?
[09:20] <RuffianSoldier> specifically xorg.conf
[09:20] <Not|Gmail> lol
[09:21] <RuffianSoldier> im serious
[09:21] <RuffianSoldier> then I run the configuror
[09:21] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[09:21] <neoxed> whats that command to find out where a installed file went
[09:21] <neoxed> is it
[09:21] <neoxed> whats filename?
[09:21] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[09:21] <RuffianSoldier> all executable/binary files go to /usr/bin
[09:21] <neoxed> ok but say it didnt
[09:21] <decklin> neoxed: i'm not sure what you mean.
[09:22] <neoxed> what whould i type?
[09:22] <neoxed> like if i didnt know where a file was
[09:22] <neoxed> what whould i type to find out what dir it is in
[09:22] <neighborlee> neoxed, most of the time the binary is same as package name
[09:23] <decklin> if you knew the name of the file? or what package it was in? or what?
[09:23] <neoxed> ya if i new the name of the file
[09:25] <RuffianSoldier> i fixed it yay
[09:25] <neoxed> n/m hehe
[09:26] <neoxed> any one know any good P2P programs?
[09:27] <crimsun> nicotine (soulseek client) is in hoary's universe
[09:28] <neoxed> is it for mp3s n such?
[09:32] <Rasanya^Cinta> hai room
[09:33] <neoxed> hello
[09:33] <Rasanya^Cinta> hi neoxed
[09:33] <Rasanya^Cinta> :>
[09:33] <neoxed> :)
[09:33] <neoxed> hey you know if mldonkey is any good? for mp3s?
[09:34] <Rasanya^Cinta> hmmm .. im not ever hear it yet
[09:34] <neoxed> ah ill install it check it out
[09:34] <Rasanya^Cinta> ever user imesh ?
[09:35] <Rasanya^Cinta> ever use imesh ?
[09:35] <neoxed> ya i didnt like it to much
[09:35] <Rasanya^Cinta> i think thats good one
[09:35] <Rasanya^Cinta> i ever try it
[09:36] <neoxed> wow this mldonkey is downloading mad stuff in the middle of the ./configure
[09:36] <neoxed> lol
[09:36] <Synek> motning
[09:36] <Synek> s/motning/morning ;)
[09:37] <neoxed> ar
[09:37] <neoxed> :)
[09:37] <neoxed> i cant beleave im learning how to use linux
[09:37] <neoxed> its a grate day in my hill jack family
[09:37] <neoxed> lol
[09:37] <Synek> hehehe
[09:40] <neoxed> Disabling output to console, to enable: stdout true
[09:41] <neoxed> wth it stoped there when i tryed to open it heh
[09:48] <anir> hey guys
[09:48] <Tsjoklat> and girls
[09:48] <anir> hey help me
[09:48] <Tsjoklat> what's the problem
[09:48] <anir> why my cds are not playing in ubuntu
[09:48] <anir> music and movie cds
[09:48] <Tsjoklat> mmmm
[09:48] <crimsun> what program are you using to play CDs?
[09:49] <anir> the cd player comes with ubuntu 4.10
[09:49] <NanoTek> music cds ? maybe you don't have connected in your pc the good cable
[09:49] <Tsjoklat> crimsun is the cdman :)
[09:49] <anir> no they are playing fine in windows
[09:49] <crimsun> Windows XP?
[09:50] <anir> yop..xp and 98
[09:50] <crimsun> Windows XP uses DAE (digital audio extraction, which bypasses the audio cable)
[09:50] <anir> so what do i have to do here??
[09:50] <crimsun> are you sure you have an audio cable connected from the rear of the cd-rom to the sound card?
[09:50] <frankps> where do I get mp3 codec for the players in ubuntu?
[09:50] <anir> yes
[09:50] <Synek> frankps: ?
[09:51] <crimsun> frankps: enable universe and refresh, then install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:51] <anir> i have inbuilt sound card
[09:51] <Tsjoklat> frankps merrilat see wiki about restricted formats
[09:51] <Tsjoklat> oh oops I thought you meant win32codecs
[09:51] <Tsjoklat> my bad
[09:51] <crimsun> no, Tsjoklat is correct as well
[09:51] <RuffianSoldier> hey Tsjoklat
[09:51] <frankps> i haven't been able to play songs from my mp3 library
[09:51] <crimsun> (since frankps could very well be referring to LAME)
[09:51] <RuffianSoldier> do you run Hoary Tsjoklat?
[09:51] <frankps> thanks crimsun
[09:52] <frankps> burning out a ubuntu cd for my laptop now
[09:52] <crimsun> anir: have you tried the DAE option of XMMS?
[09:52] <anir> and i have installed some software yesterday..now i cant find them where are they
[09:53] <anir> crimsun:i have downloaded xmss but dont know how to install it
[09:53] <rekurzion> trying to install ubuntu from the iso and my laptop will not boot from CD, is it a problem with image??? Do i have to download the entire iso again :(
[09:53] <crimsun> anir: XMMS is installed with Ubuntu Warty
[09:53] <crimsun> should be in Applications>Multimedia
[09:53] <anir> okay
[09:53] <crimsun> (someone double-check me on that)
[09:53] <crimsun> (and correct me if it isn't installed by default, please)
[09:53] <frankps> see you in some minutes from ubuntu
[09:54] <anir> hey how do i download the remaining components of ubuntu?
[09:54] <crimsun> anir: "remaining components?"
[09:54] <decklin> crimsun: IIRC, it's not.
[09:54] <Tsjoklat> not by default
[09:54] <crimsun> Tsjoklat: thanks :-)
[09:54] <anir> crimsum: while installing the os it said download the required softwares from the internet
[09:55] <anir> crimsun: i dont find anywhere
[09:55] <Tsjoklat> anir?
[09:55] <rekurzion> when i select the option to boot from CD it attempts then skips right into any available/bootable OS on my system
[09:55] <crimsun> anir: was the networking configured by then (e.g., was your Internet connection configured)? Did you install stuff from the Internet?
[09:56] <anir> no
[09:56] <anir> its was not configured.
[09:56] <crimsun> anir: right. Tsjoklat corrected me. You need to install XMMS. You may use Synaptic to install XMMS.
[09:56] <crimsun> anir: is it configured now?
[09:57] <anir> yes i have downloaded xmss but dont know how to install
[09:57] <crimsun> anir: so your Internet connection works under Ubuntu now?
[09:57] <anir> yes..
[09:57] <anir> i am surfing using ubuntu
[09:57] <crimsun> anir: open Synaptic, then Refresh
[09:57] <crimsun> anir: then install any updated packages
[09:58] <anir> where will i find synaptic?
[09:58] <crimsun> anir: in the Applications>System[...]  menu
[09:58] <crimsun> (my menus are a bit different)
[09:58] <gen> computer->sysconfig
[09:58] <anir> under system tools??
[09:58] <farruinn> computer>configuration in warty
[09:59] <Tsjoklat> computer system configuration
[09:59] <anir> crimsun: under system tools?? there is no synaptic
[09:59] <crimsun> anir: listen to the others, I'm currently not in a Ubuntu menu
[09:59] <anir> yea i got it
[10:00] <rekurzion> from ubuntu website, it mentioned there were two CD's but  from the documentation it only pointed me to the one ISO (535,000kb) is the one with the bootable image
[10:00] <anir> its under computer
[10:00] <crimsun> rekurzion: (there's also a livecd)
[10:00] <rekurzion> that is more of a demo though correct?
[10:00] <crimsun> so to speak, yes.
[10:01] <rekurzion> crimsum: I am using red hat and decided to finally change up. but i can't get the iso to boot
[10:02] <RuffianSoldier> whats the nessesary libs to play DVDs?
[10:02] <NanoTek> libdvdcss2
[10:03] <RuffianSoldier> thats it?
[10:03] <crimsun> anir: after you update, you can use Synaptic to search for XMMS then install it
[10:03] <farruinn> what's the deal with xmms vs. beep?
[10:04] <farruinn> it seems to me they do the same things with the same ui
[10:04] <NanoTek> RuffianSoldier, yep
[10:04] <crimsun> beep forked from xmms and revamped the ui to use gtk2
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> nanotek
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> root@ubuntu:~ # apt-get install libdvdcss2
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> is only available from another source
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> root@ubuntu:~ #
[10:04] <farruinn> so same code underneath?
[10:04] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: you need to add the Marillat source. See the wiki. :-)
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> oh ya!
[10:04] <NanoTek> with marillat sources go to http://apt-get.org
[10:04] <crimsun> farruinn: essentially
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> I have those on BeatrIX
[10:05] <rekurzion> on thier download site, there are several links you can download.  (iso, torrent, jigdo), I only need the iso to install?
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> beep is suppose to be the next xmms
[10:05] <farruinn> seems to me that it *is* xmms
[10:06] <farruinn> +gtk I guess
[10:06] <Tsjoklat> the guide in the topic is also a very good help
[10:06] <Tsjoklat> site
[10:06] <crimsun> it is, essentially, with gtk2.x instead of xmms's gtk1.2
[10:06] <Tsjoklat> xfree/xorg xmms/beep
[10:06] <Tsjoklat> that's the idea
[10:06] <anir> what is the platform of ubuntu
[10:07] <crimsun> there's a bit of bitter blood between xmms and bmp, however, over the ui overhaul
[10:07] <crimsun> anir: "platform?"
[10:07] <Tsjoklat> it is just what you like best yourself
[10:07] <anir> it runs on?
[10:07] <gen> anir, ppc i386 a64..
[10:09] <anir> u guys are all programmers?
[10:09] <farruinn> no
[10:09] <Tsjoklat> anir: hardly
[10:09] <gen> no
[10:09] <Tsjoklat> anir we are mostly clumsy crusaders in the fight for open source software
[10:09] <Tsjoklat> lol
[10:09] <Tsjoklat> that was poetic
[10:09] <crimsun> =)
[10:09] <farruinn> very eloquent =)
[10:10] <anir> people say its hard to heck linux..is it?
[10:10] <gen> heck?
[10:10] <Synek> hack?
[10:10] <anir> hack
[10:10] <Synek> what you mean by that?
[10:10] <Tsjoklat> anir hacking takes time patience reading... patience.. reading and reading and did I say reading?
[10:10] <gen> that doesn't make sense
[10:10] <Tsjoklat> I think anir means customizing
[10:10] <crimsun> if you mean "hack" as "break into" then that depends on a number of factors, namely how adept the administrator is
[10:11] <crimsun> if you mean "customise" then it's very, very easy to do that
[10:11] <crimsun> thankfully the ubuntu developers and maintainers do an excellent job of making everything secure by default
[10:11] <anir> belive me i am sitting from tomorrow.. i hardly did any customisation
[10:11] <anir> yesterday
[10:12] <anir> what i am saying
[10:12] <gen> sitting from tomorrow?
[10:12] <anir> gen make it yesterday..lol
[10:12] <anir> sorry
[10:12] <crimsun> (he started yesterday, I think)
[10:14] <crimsun> I'm actually fairly surprised there aren't more Indian Linux channels here on Freenode
[10:14] <crimsun> I'm just ignorant of them, I suppose
[10:14] <anir> where are u from crimsun?
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> you mean for Indian users crimsun?
[10:14] <crimsun> southeastern USA, anir
[10:14] <crimsun> Tsjoklat: precisely :)
[10:15] <Tsjoklat> crimsun :)
[10:15] <anir> yea i am an Indian user
[10:15] <Tsjoklat> I am very happy that I have my own home channel for ubu
[10:15] <Tsjoklat> thanks to Treenaks *hugs*
[10:16] <crimsun> :)
[10:16] <Treenaks> anir: you could start a channel for your own language, and find more ubuntu people (who speak your language) to join you
[10:16] <RuffianSoldier> Where do DVDs mount in Ubunt? My only CD-ROM drive is DVD-ROM
[10:16] <_RESET> i have Bt878 brooktree video capture tuner tv
[10:16] <anir> i am sitting here from yesterday.. i am feeling so sleepy..  i wont sleep untill i learn something
[10:16] <Treenaks> anir: have a look at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CountryTeams
[10:16] <_RESET> how-to for work tv tuner?
[10:16] <anir> people in india speaks english only..
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> anir you learned a lot already :)
[10:16] <Treenaks> anir: you won't learn when you're tired either, so sleeping might actually be a good idea :)
[10:16] <anir> sarcastic??
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> is that a language?
[10:17] <anir> sorry
[10:17] <crimsun> (he's just asking if you're being sarcastic)
[10:17] <farruinn> _RESET: I'm guessing your DVD is /dev/hdc, in which case it probably mounts to /media/cdrom0
[10:17] <farruinn> don't know for sure though
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> huh? no errr why?
[10:18] <anir> well i need to give some time to learn..
[10:18] <crimsun> anir: oh there's no rush at all
[10:18] <anir> i have to prepare a case for my business purpose too..so two in one action..lol
[10:18] <gen> everybody starts at the same place anir
[10:18] <Tsjoklat> I think every minute of installing anything is a learning process
[10:18] <_RESET> farruinn, ???
[10:18] <Tsjoklat> so yeah you learn a lot already
[10:18] <_RESET> i talked tv tuner :\
[10:19] <farruinn> _RESET: sorry, that was for RuffianSoldier
[10:19] <anir> hey how will i install my tv tuner card in ubuntu?
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> huh?
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> 'where?
[10:19] <farruinn> /media/cdrom0 (maybe)?
[10:19] <_RESET> anir, i've the same problem
[10:19] <anir> i mean how will i configure?
[10:19] <anir> as we can see in windows..add hardware.. i cant see anything here
[10:20] <Tsjoklat> maliks: sue 'em :P
[10:20] <_RESET> in synaptin no software for tv tuner :\
[10:20] <_RESET> synaptic
[10:20] <anir> guys guys..help up
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> I got libdvdcss2 but I cant play DVDs
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> wait
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> Ogle is playing them!
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> HAHAHA!
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> OGLE ROCKS!
[10:21] <gen> Uh, ok
[10:21] <anir> man i cant even play movie cd
[10:21] <anir> leave alone dvd
[10:21] <_RESET> tv tuner here but configure?
[10:21] <Treenaks> _RESET: you want to use your TV tuner card?
[10:22] <_RESET> yep
[10:22] <Treenaks> _RESET: if it's supported, the driver should already be loaded
[10:22] <anir> crimsun: tell me how will i install tv tuner card in ubuntu?
[10:22] <_RESET> i think
[10:22] <anir> yes treenaks
[10:22] <crimsun> anir: you can use Synaptic to enable the 'universe' repository, then install "totem-xine"
[10:22] <crimsun> anir: that will allow you to play DVDs
[10:22] <_RESET> universe?
[10:23] <_RESET> but is compatible?
[10:23] <gen> yes..
[10:23] <anir> crimsun: i am talking about installing tv tuner card
[10:23] <_RESET> o_O
[10:23] <Treenaks> anir: wait a second
[10:23] <_RESET> :)
[10:23] <maliks> HAS Anyone managed to build binary packages for MPLAYER? The ones at the merriliet repository dont work
[10:23] <maliks> for me
[10:23] <anir> looking good _reset
[10:23] <Treenaks> anir: install "xawtv"
[10:23] <Treenaks> anir: that should work
[10:23] <gen> maliks, do the self compile
[10:24] <Treenaks> maliks: the ones on the marillat repository do work
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> maliks I have but I don't use merrilat
[10:24] <Treenaks> maliks: I'm using them here
[10:24] <anir> Treenaks: xawtv..how?
[10:24] <Treenaks> anir: just use synaptic, search for it, install it
[10:24] <maliks> so can anyone send me the compiled debs?
[10:24] <anir> oka
[10:24] <Treenaks> anir: the "package manager" from the menu
[10:24] <maliks> i hate compiling on my lowed PC! it takes so much of time (yawn)
[10:24] <maliks> sorry lowed = low end!
[10:24] <gen> clearly
[10:25] <Treenaks> maliks: juse use the marillat "testing" repository
[10:25] <Treenaks> maliks: that should work fine
[10:25] <anir> Treenaks: under which section it comes?
[10:25] <maliks> both dont work
[10:25] <maliks> !
[10:25] <maliks> :D
[10:25] <gen> !
[10:25] <Treenaks> maliks: if it doesn't, I'd like to know the error message
[10:25] <_RESET> in my synaptic there isn't xawtv
[10:25] <Treenaks> anir: just use the "search" function
[10:25] <maliks> ok
[10:25] <|QuaD-> exit
[10:25] <Treenaks> _RESET: then enable the "Universe" repository and press 'update' first
[10:25] <crimsun> _RESET: it's in the 'universe'
[10:26] <maliks> exit
[10:26] <_RESET> can i go without problem abou universe?
[10:26] <crimsun> universe works well with ubuntu, yes
[10:26] <anir> Treenaks: seems  its not there
[10:26] <crimsun> the software is unsupported, but the packages work fine
[10:27] <neoxed> any one know how i can open port 4662?
[10:27] <Treenaks> anir: you should enable the "universe" repository as well, then click update, then search again
[10:27] <_RESET> but xawtv is a software no?
[10:27] <Treenaks> _RESET: it's a program yes
[10:27] <crimsun> neoxed: it's open by default. Ubuntu does not use firewalling software by default.
[10:27] <Treenaks> neoxed: that depends on what you want to do with it :) start a program that listens on that port and it'll be open
[10:27] <_RESET> ok found it
[10:27] <neoxed> im trying to use xmule
[10:28] <_RESET> can i install it
[10:28] <crimsun> neoxed: if you need to forward the port from your router, you'll need to check your router's documentation. If the router is provided by your ISP, perhaps your ISP's support web site has more details.
[10:28] <_RESET> can i install it?
[10:28] <neoxed> this is the error i get 1 se
[10:28] <neoxed> sec.
[10:28] <crimsun> _RESET: yes, you can install it.
[10:28] <crimsun> neoxed: use a paste web site, please :)
[10:28] <anir> how will i enablr universe treenaks
[10:29] <Treenaks> anir: in the menu, there's a "repositories" thing
[10:29] <neoxed> Port 4662 is not available This Will Mean You Will Be LOWID use netstat to determain when the port becomes availble and try starting xmule agine.
[10:29] <neoxed> thats the error i get
[10:29] <_RESET> in fedora core 3 i had the problem for tv tuner i hope for ubuntu :)
[10:30] <crimsun> neoxed: is there another program using tpc/4662?
[10:30] <_RESET> ok done install it
[10:30] <crimsun> tcp/4662, rather
[10:30] <anir> crimsun how can i install universe?
[10:30] <_RESET> configure only xawtv?
[10:30] <neoxed> how whould i go about finding out
[10:30] <neoxed> but i dont beleave there is
[10:30] <crimsun> anir: follow Treenaks's suggestion
[10:30] <farruinn> doesn't ubuntu have firewalls enabled by default?
[10:31] <crimsun> farruinn: nope
[10:31] <crimsun> neoxed: netstat -ntl|grep 4662
[10:31] <_RESET> but why when i install a program isn't in menu?
[10:31] <anir> hey treenaks: i cant find repositionaries.... plz help me i am totally new
[10:31] <neoxed> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:4662            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[10:32] <crimsun> _RESET: not all programs installable from Synaptic will have menu entries
[10:32] <Treenaks> anir: you don't need to repeat the fact that you're new all the time
[10:32] <Treenaks> :)
[10:32] <anir> treenaks: sorry
[10:32] <Treenaks> anir: in "settings" menu, there is a "repositories"
[10:32] <Treenaks> anir: click that
[10:32] <crimsun> neoxed: some program is already listening on port 4662. You may use `netstat -ntlp|grep 4662' to find which.
[10:33] <farruinn> _RESET: you can add menu items by going to applications:/// in nautilus and creating new launchers
[10:34] <neoxed> ok thanks
[10:34] <neoxed> brb
[10:34] <anir> treenaks: there is no settings.. only system configuration
[10:34] <Treenaks> anir: are you in the package manager
[10:34] <Treenaks> anir: (synaptic)
[10:34] <Treenaks> anir: that program has a menu bar
[10:35] <anir> treenaks: yes
[10:35] <Treenaks> anir: look around in it, there should be something about configuration or repositories in the menu
[10:35] <anir> treenaks: got it
[10:35] <anir> treenaks: now
[10:36] <Treenaks> anir: ok, did you enable "universe" there?
[10:36] <_RESET> i dont see anything
[10:36] <_RESET> :|
[10:36] <_RESET> :(
[10:36] <_RESET> xawtv :(
[10:37] <anir> treenaks: unfortunately there is no universe..only some deb and deb-src
[10:37] <Treenaks> anir: yes
[10:37] <Treenaks> anir: look at the end of the line
[10:37] <Treenaks> anir: there should be one that says:
[10:37] <Treenaks> deb [somethingsomethingsomething]  universe
[10:38] <_RESET> why don't work??????
[10:38] <Treenaks> _RESET: what does not work.. please be specific!
[10:38] <_RESET> tv tuner
[10:38] <anir> treenaks: i have added all the debs..
[10:38] <Treenaks> anir: all of them?
[10:38] <anir> treenaks : yes
[10:39] <Treenaks> do all of them say "warty"?
[10:39] <anir> treenaks: will it give any problem??
[10:39] <Treenaks> and not "hoary" ?
[10:39] <_RESET> the same of fedora
[10:39] <Treenaks> if there's one saying hoary that will break stuff
[10:39] <_RESET> dont work
[10:40] <Treenaks> _RESET: a specific error message would be nice
[10:40] <martijn> Hi @ all
[10:41] <anir> treenaks: while adding some debs it days.."you are adding the universe components..Packages in this component does not support.. Are you sure?"
[10:41] <Treenaks> hoi Martijn -- have a look at #ubuntu-nl :)
[10:41] <Treenaks> anir: yes, you're sure
[10:41] <_RESET> xawtv black screen
[10:41] <anir> treenaks: ok i added 3..which said that msg
[10:42] <_RESET> no more hope
[10:42] <anir> treenaks: now???
[10:44] <anir> treenaks: what next?
[10:45] <spiral> Hello
[10:45] <anir> treenaks: i cant find xawtv
[10:45] <anir> are you guys thr???
[10:46] <farruinn> anir, you did a search for xawtv?
[10:46] <Treenaks> anir: did you dod 'update"
[10:46] <farruinn> heheh, nevermind me
[10:47] <_RESET> don't work xawtv anir :\
[10:47] <anir> farruinn: i cant find xawtv there
[10:47] <anir> _reset: u tried it??
[10:47] <_RESET> yes :\
[10:48] <farruinn> anir make sure you hit the Reload button first
[10:48] <farruinn> then do a search
[10:48] <spiral> Does anyone have problems with recent kernels (hoary's one for example) and alsa ?
[10:48] <anir> from where it loads farruinn
[10:49] <farruinn> the first button on the top-left should say "reload"
[10:49] <anir> yea i did it
[10:49] <anir> its taking time..
[10:49] <anir> guess downloding from the net
[10:49] <Treenaks> anir: it should -- it's downloading the package list
[10:49] <anir> is it?
[10:49] <farruinn> ok, it's downloading files that tells synaptic where the installer files can be found
[10:50] <farruinn> once that's done you can search xawtv and install it
[10:50] <anir> okay
[10:50] <anir> _reset says xatv is not working with him
[10:50] <neoxed> whats a good p2p program for mp3s
[10:50] <neoxed> ?
[10:52] <_RESET> now i'm tryng tvtime
[10:53] <_RESET> but it say no signal
[10:53] <anir> okay _reset  how is tvtime?
[10:53] <anir> i guess it will take 10 mins.. i will take some rest i wil be back after 10 mins
[10:54] <_RESET> bohh dont work here
[10:54] <Treenaks> _RESET: well, do a channel scan
[10:54] <_RESET> no signal on the screen
[10:55] <_RESET> but i do modprobe.... on terminal?
[10:55] <Treenaks> _RESET: no modprobe!
[10:55] <Treenaks> _RESET: modules are loaded automatically
[10:55] <Treenaks> _RESET: if there is no dignal
[10:55] <Treenaks> signal
[10:55] <Treenaks> that means that the card is detected, but no channels have been found yet
[10:55] <Treenaks> Make it look for channels
[10:57] <_RESET> when i boot ubuntu it say FATAL ERROR modprobe phchp etc....
[10:57] <crimsun> disregard those two error messages
[10:58] <_RESET> ?
[10:58] <crimsun> there are two such "fatal error" messages
[10:58] <crimsun> they are safe to ignore
[10:58] <_RESET> ok it's normal?
[10:58] <crimsun> those two are normal, yes.
[10:59] <anir> so guys which one i will install?? xawtv or tvtimer??
[11:00] <daaku> what is 'the right way' for me to be able to use the windows key as a modifier in gnome and launch custom applications?
[11:02] <anir> guys what is SAMBA?
[11:02] <farruinn> daaku, keyboard shortcuts under Computer>Desktop Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts
[11:02] <farruinn> anir, windows filesharing
[11:02] <farruinn> afaik
[11:04] <anir> farruinn: which one i will install?? xawtv or tvtimer?
[11:04] <farruinn> I've never used a tvtuner so I don't know which is "better"
[11:04] <farruinn> I would install one, if it works well, great.  If not get the other.
[11:05] <daaku> farruinn, the keyboard shortcuts applet doesnt take the windows key as a modifier for some reason
[11:07] <Synek> hm, i'm using windowe-key as modifier
[11:07] <neoxed> any one know any thing about .zips?
[11:08] <farruinn> you unzip them
[11:08] <farruinn> a more specific question would help us help you
[11:08] <neoxed> ok i unziped it
[11:08] <neoxed> and all there is is php files
[11:09] <farruinn> you were expecting something else from this .zip?
[11:09] <neoxed> i dont under stand how .zip works for linux
[11:09] <neoxed> i donwloaded torrenttrader
[11:10] <gen> haha
[11:12] <anir> there is one aatv also..
[11:12] <anir> hey guys now tell me..
[11:13] <_RESET> tv tuner dont work under linux :\
[11:13] <anir> farruinn now which one i will install??
[11:13] <anir> is it??
[11:13] <anir> sad
[11:13] <farruinn> anir, like I said I don't have a tv tuner card, so I've never used them
[11:14] <farruinn> have you tried one of them already with no success?
[11:14] <ctd> What's up with tv tuners?
[11:14] <anir> farruinn how will i install xawtv?
[11:15] <_RESET> ctd, dont work
[11:15] <ctd> _RESET: What chipset is it?
[11:15] <_RESET> Bt878 brooktree
[11:15] <ctd> _RESET: Should be auto-detected.
[11:15] <farruinn> anir, select the checkbox next to the one you want
[11:15] <anir> ctd it seems tv tuner doesnot work in ubuntu i have a intel 810e chipset
[11:16] <anir> farrium: i will give mark for installation?? then?
[11:16] <farruinn> yup
[11:16] <paulproteus> anir: You can find the package in Synaptic, which is the GUI-mode installer, or using apt-get, the command-line version.
[11:16] <anir> then??
[11:16] <_RESET> ctd, can u explain
[11:16] <farruinn> then hit the apply button
[11:16] <ctd> _RESET: Does lsmod have 'bttv' loaded?
[11:16] <_RESET> ok
[11:17] <anir> ok farruinn
[11:17] <_RESET> ctd, paste here?
[11:17] <_RESET> snd_bt87x              13640  0
[11:17] <_RESET> bt878                  11184  0
[11:17] <_RESET> bttv                  143020  1 bt878
[11:17] <_RESET> video_buf              20356  1 bttv
[11:17] <_RESET> i2c_algo_bit            8968  1 bttv
[11:17] <_RESET> v4l2_common             6400  1 bttv
[11:17] <_RESET> btcx_risc               4744  1 bttv
[11:17] <_RESET> i2c_core               22416  2 bttv,i2c_algo_bit
[11:17] <_RESET> videodev                9856  1 bttv
[11:18] <ctd> that's good then
[11:18] <_RESET> good?
[11:18] <ctd> It should work.
[11:18] <_RESET> :|
[11:18] <_RESET> how?
[11:18] <ctd> So, how does it "not work"?
[11:19] <_RESET> no signal
[11:19] <_RESET> when i scan for channels
[11:19] <ctd> That's alright.
[11:19] <_RESET> no channel at end here
[11:19] <ctd> Have you used the card in a working condition before?
[11:20] <anir> farruinn: now xatv is installed...then what??
[11:20] <ctd> _RESET: i.e., have you had signal on it before?
[11:20] <zenlunatic> Do the iso's have kde/gnome on them or are they just install disc that you download kde/gnome off the net later?
[11:20] <farruinn> anir, I imagine type xawtv at a command prompt
[11:21] <farruinn> zenlunatic: just gnome on disc, kde on net
[11:21] <Agrajag> the ubuntu isos have gnome 2.8
[11:21] <ctd> zenlunatic: Ubuntu install cd has gnome
[11:21] <Agrajag> kde is unsupported, in universe
[11:21] <zenlunatic> Oh.
[11:21] <ctd> zenlunatic: ..and everything for a basic desktop.
[11:21] <zenlunatic> Well these iso's don't seem like the correct ones.
[11:21] <ctd> well, "complete" desktop, really.
[11:21] <anir> ctd i have installed xatv.. now how will i configure my tv card??
[11:22] <anir> i dont know where is command prompt
[11:22] <ctd> anir: What card?
[11:22] <zenlunatic> the .torrent is very small.
[11:22] <anir> tv tuner card
[11:22] <farruinn> zenlunatic: howso?
[11:22] <ctd> anir: Yes, but what model?
[11:22] <Agrajag> uh, torrent files are supposed to be small
[11:22] <zenlunatic> The iso is 10 megs?
[11:22] <anir> i have mercury
[11:22] <_RESET> ctd, in windowxp yes
[11:22] <farruinn> zen, download the file that ends in .iso
[11:23] <zenlunatic> ah nm this ftp server is messed up
[11:23] <zenlunatic> lists wrong filesize
[11:23] <ctd> zenlunatic: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/ may be your friend. :)
[11:23] <neoxed> is there any auto driver update seach eng that comes with linux?
[11:23] <zenlunatic> Can you use debian sources.list in ubutu?/
[11:24] <_RESET> ctd, what software u use?
[11:24] <_RESET> for tv?
[11:24] <anir> ctd its a mercury made.. i dont remember the model..
[11:24] <ctd> _RESET: I found it better to simply tell tvtime what channels rather than scanning.
[11:24] <ctd> _RESET: tvtime.
[11:24] <farruinn> zenlunatic: yes :D
[11:24] <farruinn> oh, you mean debian repos?
[11:24] <ctd> anir: Have you got universe enabled?
[11:24] <anir> ctd tv time is better than xawtv?
[11:24] <_RESET> but when i scan...no chan :(
[11:24] <zenlunatic> farruinn will the installer auto-config X for me?
[11:24] <anir> yes i got universe enabled
[11:24] <zenlunatic> farruinn What installer do they use? anaconda?
[11:25] <ctd> _RESET: these things can have high expectations of what may be a channel.
[11:25] <farruinn> zenlunatic: I'm using a beige G3 and it automagically configured for me, which is amazing
[11:25] <adnans> how do I get the ubuntu gnome-menu structure back?
[11:25] <adnans> after a recent update I get the default gnome layout, which stinks
[11:25] <zenlunatic> They're probably using xautoconf
[11:25] <ctd> anir: Then install tvtime. :)
[11:25] <farruinn> zenlunatic: I believe that it's an installer based off debian installer
[11:25] <anir> ctd i am instlling tvtime
[11:26] <ctd> anir: I haven't used xawtv much, but I've had issues which were fixed best by using tvtime.
[11:26] <farruinn> zenlunatic: are you installing on ppc or x86?
[11:26] <zenlunatic> farruinn oh. is it grahical or curses?
[11:26] <farruinn> zenlunatic: curses
[11:26] <farruinn> but it's only one cd, so that's that's why
[11:27] <farruinn> that is, the ubuntu team has worked hard to make it only one cd
[11:27] <_RESET> the scan stopped to 140
[11:28] <_RESET> but seem not finished
[11:29] <ctd> Just let it go.
[11:29] <ctd> We can fix up channels later.
[11:35] <kristjan> i am experiencing problems with fglrx (ati proprietary graphics driver)
[11:35] <kristjan> can any1 help?
[11:38] <_RESET> no channel after scan
[11:38] <_RESET> shit
[11:39] <ztonzy> hej :)
[11:39] <MobyTurbo> _RESET, what's the problem?
[11:40] <kristjan> i am experiencing problems with fglrx (ati proprietary graphics driver)
[11:40] <kristjan> can any1 help?
[11:41] <adnans> how do I get the ubuntu gnome-menu structure back?
[11:41] <adnans> after a recent update I get the default gnome layout, which stinks
[11:45] <farruinn> adnans, running hoary?
[11:47] <adnans> ferr, yes
[11:47] <adnans> farruinn, even
[11:47] <neoxed> any one know how i can shut down gnome and get into consol?
[11:47] <neoxed> with out gnome starting
[11:47] <adnans> neoxed: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:47] <ctd> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:48] <neoxed> and then i can just reboot to start it agine?
[11:48] <adnans> neoxed: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[11:48] <neoxed> o ok thanks
[11:48] <adnans> no need te reboot
[11:48] <adnans> farruinn, did the default menu change in hoary?
[11:48] <farruinn> adnans, temporarily
[11:48] <farruinn> I don't know when they will revert to the Ubuntu layout
[11:49] <adnans> farruinn, ok, thx..
[11:54] <farruinn> does anyone know if packages in universe will eventually make their way into main?
[11:54] <stuNNed> hello to all ubununtuer's!!
[11:54] <Gmail> farruinn: the wound
[11:54] <ctd> farruinn: It's possible.
[11:54] <Gmail> ctd: no its not
[11:55] <ctd> Gmail: Yes, it is.
[11:55] <Gmail> ctd: main packages are made by the team and not auto port/rebuilt from debian
[11:55] <ctd> Gmail: Re-read the question.
[11:55] <farruinn> what I'm asking though is if in the future the team will take on more packages from main
[11:56] <Gmail> ctd: maybe a few that will become part of a default install but thats it
[11:56] <Tsjoklat> hi stuNNed
[11:56] <ctd> Gmail: No.
[11:56] <ctd> farruinn: All depends, something that makes good sense to put in would most likely make it.
[11:57] <ctd> Gmail: The majority of main came from universe at some point.
[12:00] <farruinn> heh, my eyes were ignoring what was plainly written on components page
[12:01] <stuNNed> hello to you Tsjoklat :)
[12:02] <RESET> :\
[12:16] <Granted> Mplayer sous ubuntu?
[12:16] <crimsun> Granted: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:17] <Granted> merci crimsun
[12:17] <Granted> :)
[12:18] <Granted> bye
[12:23] <RESET> how can install metacity theme?
[12:24] <RESET> how can install metacity theme?
[12:27] <PotajiTo> wenas
[12:29] <intinig> I need some help with vitualhosts on apache2. I copied and modified it to my taste. When I enable it and reload the configuration I get this warning [Sun Dec 12 12:28:08 2004]  [warn]  NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts
[12:29] <intinig> any clue?
[12:30] <Gmail> here here meeting soon in #ubuntu-meeting
[12:31] <HcE> intinig: you got a type somewhere?
[12:31] <HcE> ... :0 <-- 0 as port?
[12:31] <HcE> should be 80
[12:33] <intinig> let me check
[12:33] <intinig> First line is NameVirtualHost *
[12:34] <intinig> no :0 anywhere
[12:34] <HcE> try specify the port with :80
[12:35] <intinig> [Sun Dec 12 12:34:52 2004]  [warn]  NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
[12:35] <intinig> maybe the NameVirtualHost *  must disappear from non-default virtualhosts
[12:36] <HcE> I have NameVirtualHost *:80 in the first file which are included
[12:36] <HcE> but, off to work
[12:36] <intinig> fixed it
[12:36] <intinig> NameVirtualHost * goes only into the first included file
[12:37] <intinig> I had a repetition
[12:37] <intinig> and I got the warning
[12:37] <RzR> hi
[12:37] <RzR> i just tested the livecd on my laptop and the touchpad is not enabled :(
[12:38] <benjami> kernel 2.6.7 is more stable than 2.6.8-1 ?
[12:39] <davidmcq> can anyone give me a clue on adding a netgear WG511T wifi ? i can't find any google reference that I'm smart enough to figure out :(
[01:04] <jab> Any ideas what /dev/xxx my usb dvd burner is? 'cdrecord -scanbus' says it's detected at 'scsibus6'
[01:05] <stvn> hi, is the menu structure from ubuntu been disgarded in hoary (eg. the computer menu on the top bar?) since i cannot find it anymore
[01:06] <nkko> hy
[01:07] <nkko> can someone help me on instaling intel 536ep modem in ubuntu?
[01:07] <nkko> :)
[01:07] <stvn> jab: doesn't dmesg give you a clue? scsibus6 could be /dev/sdf1 though
[01:07] <stvn> er sdf
[01:10] <farruinn> ubhuti, hoary menus
[01:10] <ubhuti> If you are beffuddled by the fact that your Gnome menus have changed after a recent upgrade, don't be alarmed. This is only temporary while the Ubuntu proposed changes are taken care of upstream.  For more see http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-December/002057.html.
[01:10] <farruinn> I think this will be fixed rather soon
[01:11] <jab> stvn: not a valid block device. So, no :/
[01:11] <stvn> ubhuti is the new bot?
[01:11] <ubhuti> stvn: I give up, what is it?
[01:11] <stvn> heh
[01:11] <farruinn> erm, he's my bot
[01:12] <stvn> farruinn: there used to be a bot here called bonobo, he was useful for remembering urls ;)
[01:12] <farruinn> well ubhuti isn't extremely intelligent yet
[01:13] <farruinn> I have that listen always option set though so who knows what he's picking up =)
[01:13] <stvn> farruinn: a nice feature to add is that he can direct answers to certain ppl
[01:14] <farruinn> tell, right?
[01:14] <farruinn> I don't believe I've set it to /msg however
[01:15] <stvn> farruinn: like you say ubhuti: hoary menus stvn and than ubhuti puts stvn: in front of the answer
[01:17] <intinig> by default my box is secure right?
[01:17] <intinig> I mean all the ports are closed and so on
[01:17] <stvn> jab: does dmesg | grep USB or dmesg | grep CD give any suggestion?
[01:17] <stvn> intinig: yes
[01:17] <stvn> intinig: the ports are closed, the security level is also up to you ;)
[01:18] <nkko> ok, does anyone have intel 536ep modem maybe?
[01:18] <crazney> hey, i'm installing a new ubuntu system.. from 4.10 or whatever. i get this weird error during installation of the base system.. 'the debootstrap program exited with an error'.. blah.. virtual console 3 tells me that errors were encountered while processing console-common... postfix, postifx-tls.. and it says 'mv: unable to rename `/target/user/sbin/sendmail' no such file or dir.'
[01:18] <intinig> stvn, I just want to ssh to this box, apache2 and ftp
[01:18] <stvn> nkko: what kind of modem, normal, cable adsl?
[01:18] <crazney> is that.. bad?
[01:18] <intinig> stvn, without anyone breaking into it
[01:19] <nkko> stvn: normal analog
[01:19] <stvn> intinig: install ssh, apache2 and an ftp server and keep good passwords, than it's reasonable secure
[01:19] <nkko> stvn: i think it's on ambient chip
[01:19] <intinig> stvn, ok thx that's what I wanted to hear :D
[01:20] <nkko> and how can i set "wait for dialtone=off"
[01:20] <stvn> nkko: it appears to be a winmodem, try searching in google for intel 536ep ubuntu, it produces quite some hits
[01:21] <stvn> nkko: or for linux or debian in stead of ubuntu
[01:21] <stvn> nkko: never had a winmodem, so can't really help you
[01:21] <nkko> hehehe tnx i forget google :)
[01:22] <jab> stvn: it gives the same message as 'cdrecord -scanbus' ... that a device is noticed at 'scsibus6'
[01:22] <nkko> how about changing screen refresh rate? in display options i have some preset values... that doesnt suite me
[01:22] <stvn> jab: does it recognise it as a CD player?
[01:23] <stvn> nkko: if they are far too low, probably your monitor isn't properly recognised and you need to change the sync values in the X config file
[01:23] <jab> stvn: yes, cd-rom. is that a problem?
[01:24] <stvn> jab: did you try to put a cd in it?
[01:24] <nkko> where can i found that file?
[01:24] <stvn> jab: it /should/ automount a CD and than you can see what drive it is ;)
[01:24] <stvn> nkko: //etc/X11/XFConfig-4
[01:25] <Gmail> open office is now bind to some wirod widjets
[01:25] <stvn> nkko: //etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:25] <Gmail> there all grey
[01:26] <nkko> tnx
[01:27] <intinig> what's the ubuntu ftp server of choice?
[01:27] <jab> stvn: hmm... mount says 'usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)'
[01:27] <crimsun> vsftpd, more than likely
[01:27] <intinig> crimsun, thanks I guessed right then :)
[01:30] <stvn> jab: oh hm, tries cdrecord -device /proc/bus/usb ? ;)
[01:31] <will> hi ppl, what is a good program for encoding mp3's/ogg's from WAVE files?
[01:31] <farruinn> oggenc
[01:32] <farruinn> available in vorbis-tools package
[01:32] <will> farruinn: are there any nicefrontends?
[01:33] <farruinn> well ubuntu comes with sound juicer you know
[01:33] <farruinn> in preferences you can select ogg
[01:33] <farruinn> but you can't select quality settings or anything like that...
[01:34] <will> farruinn: Sound Juicer is rubbish
[01:34] <farruinn> heheh, I agree
[01:35] <ericf> I used grip for a while
[01:35] <farruinn> but it does a good job at putting files in logical places and giving them good names
[01:35] <will> humm found something called mp3c
[01:35] <ericf> it's not standard-ubuntu
[01:35] <farruinn> will, that won't be gui
[01:35] <jab> stvn: little luck with that.
[01:36] <ericf> and I don't know if grip can encode wav's, I used it to rip and encode cd's... It's good for that. Try it.
[01:36] <will> getting grip now
[01:37] <miraj> hello
[01:37] <miraj> may I ask a question please?
[01:37] <farruinn> ask
[01:38] <miraj> Im not sure why but I can only boot to terminal, my machine wont boot to GUI. THis happened after I switched it off without logging out one day. Ive tried changing the runlevel to 5 is this right?Because it doesnt work
[01:40] <will> audacity can export wavs via libmp3lame to mp3 or vorbis
[01:40] <crimsun> miraj: no - Ubuntu, like Debian, does not play runlevel games. Leave it at 2, since 2-5 are identical.
[01:41] <miraj> oh, ok so how do I make it boot to gui?
[01:41] <nomasteryoda> audacity is nice
[01:41] <crimsun> miraj: the cause of your computer's failure to boot into X Windows is most likely outlined in the log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[01:41] <miraj> hmmm
[01:42] <crimsun> miraj: please paste that file onto a paste web site along with your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:42] <miraj> is it serious?
[01:43] <crimsun> miraj: hmm?
[01:43] <miraj> Im thinking
[01:43] <crimsun> miraj: we can't assist you in diagnosing the problem without those two files. :)
[01:43] <miraj> is it serious?
[01:43] <miraj> oh ok
[01:43] <miraj> well Ill go get them and ten come bcak..............
[01:43] <miraj> thanks
[01:44] <tonym32> hi
[01:44] <will> why on earth is my libmp3lame.so called libmp3lame.so.0 ????? is this an ubuntu thing ?
[01:44] <will> cprograms cant locate it if its given that strage name!
[01:44] <crimsun> erm
[01:44] <crimsun> that's normal
[01:45] <crimsun> it's a dynamic librar{ies,y} thing and quite normal across UNIX-like platforms
[01:46] <farruinn> make a symlink if you want
[01:48] <will> ok! oops!
[01:48] <will> i had one broken sym link when i did a search for that library
[01:54] <Pizbit> Any thoughts on configuring nautilus to use esd for previewing sound files?
[02:02] <padlefot> anyone know anything about gDesklets?
[02:03] <Pizbit> A little
[02:03] <padlefot> i really dont know how to make the desklets work
[02:03] <padlefot> no matter what i do, i get some sort of stupid error
[02:04] <Pizbit> Heh
[02:04] <padlefot> can you just fill me in on how to make a desklet work?
[02:04] <padlefot> 8)
[02:04] <Pizbit> There's two parts too it.
[02:04] <Pizbit> Adding the desklets themselves, and running the desklets program to show them.
[02:05] <padlefot> okay
[02:05] <farruinn> adding the desklets is even two-part
[02:05] <padlefot> i think i need to know howto do the first one
[02:05] <Pizbit> Have a look in /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/
[02:05] <Pizbit> And find the ,display file for the desklet you want, now run gdesklets <name of .display file>
[02:06] <Pizbit> Then run gdesklets if it's not already running.
[02:06] <Pizbit> Alternatively browse there in nautilus and associate gdesklets with the ,display files and double click on them:)
[02:07] <mjt> what
[02:08] <mjt> what's a [g] desklet anyway?
[02:08] <padlefot> shoud i do all this as root, Pizbit ?
[02:08] <Pizbit> Lol no
[02:08] <Pizbit> As the user you're logged in as:)
[02:08] <mjt> something written in java that's running on the desktop, similar to servlets? ;)
[02:09] <padlefot> cause then i've done it all right
[02:09] <Pizbit> mjr: python
[02:09] <padlefot> and it still doesnt work
[02:09] <padlefot> :P
[02:09] <Pizbit> You did run gdesklets after adding the .display files right?
[02:10] <padlefot> okay, i had a look in /usr/share/gdekslets/display
[02:10] <padlefot> and nothing was there
[02:10] <Pizbit> No folders?
[02:10] <padlefot> but i did istall a desklet to /home/user/Weatherappthingy/
[02:10] <Pizbit> Note, it's "/usr/share/gdesklets/Displays"
[02:10] <padlefot> and ran waeahter.display with gdesklets using nautilus
[02:11] <padlefot> that folder wasnt even there
[02:11] <padlefot> :S
[02:11] <padlefot> the /Displays one
[02:11] <Pizbit> How did you install gdesklets?
[02:11] <padlefot> apt-get
[02:11] <padlefot> install gdesklets
[02:11] <Pizbit> Did you install gdesklets-data as well?
[02:11] <padlefot> hopefully
[02:11] <padlefot> :P
[02:11] <Pizbit> Unlikely, go install it:)
[02:13] <farruinn> that ought to be a dependency rather than a recommends
[02:13] <Pizbit> Yeah, just thinking that
[02:13] <padlefot> okay
[02:13] <padlefot> now its done
[02:15] <farruinn> does bugzilla.ubuntu.org only track bugs in main?  since universe is automatically built from debian...
[02:15] <Pizbit> Universe is 'unsupported'
[02:15] <mjt> will that gdesklets stuff work with something else but gnome?
[02:16] <Pizbit> Yup
[02:16] <padlefot> i still get the same errors thouggh
[02:16] <Pizbit> Something about a sensor being missing?
[02:16] <tonym32> I have problems installing ubuntu from the cd : "Read erreur" while installing the base system.
[02:16] <Pizbit> mjt: You'll just need a whole heap of gnome libs:)
[02:16] <tonym32> at the linux-386 package
[02:17] <linux_mafia> is there a difference between the "kernel-source-xxxx" and "linux-source-xxxx" packages?
[02:17] <padlefot> it says the file contains invalid data and could not be loaded..
[02:17] <padlefot> doesnt matter what one i try, all of them has the same error..
[02:17] <Pizbit> tonym32: Sounds like it oculd be a bad burn
[02:17] <padlefot> :S
[02:17] <mjt> kernel-source is debian package, lunux- is ubuntu
[02:18] <tonym32> Pizbit, it-s the second cd i burn !!!
[02:18] <Pizbit> tonym32: Corrupt download? Did you check the checksums?
[02:18] <padlefot> the display file contains 6 error lines..
[02:18] <padlefot> every single one of them..
[02:18] <tonym32> but when i try the "check the installation cd " in the menu it seams ok. after the installation failed. if I redo the md5sum. it does not work !!
[02:19] <Pizbit> tonym32: I meant of the downloaded image file
[02:19] <tonym32> yes i have check it
[02:19] <mjt> how's md5sum does not work? ;)
[02:19] <tonym32> it was ok !
[02:20] <mjt> everyone should deprecate/forbid usage of "it does not work" statement ;)
[02:20] <Pizbit> Heh
[02:20] <Pizbit> I'm off
[02:20] <tonym32> It does not work just after my installation has failed. Just after installing "base installtion". Then after if i redo a md5sum check it is false !
[02:20] <padlefot> lol
[02:21] <linux_mafia> mjt, are you sure? the only difference i can see (with the 2.6.9 source anyway) is that linux-source has a higher epoch, apart from that, properties in synaptic contains the same information
[02:21] <farruinn> linux_mafia: kernel- is in universe, linux- is in main
[02:21] <mjt> linux_mafia: there's no kernel-source-xxx in base ubuntu - maybe in universe but i'm not sure
[02:22] <mjt> either way, it's coming directly from debian
[02:22] <linux_mafia> ok, thanks guys
[02:22] <mjt> and linux-source- is another series of packages, produced for ubuntu and by ubuntu people
[02:23] <mjt> basically, the two are "interchangeable", sort of
[02:23] <mjt> tonym32: how did you check the checksum?
[02:24] <linux_mafia> mjt, i believe you, but linux-source-xxx has no mention of ubuntu specifically, nor a ubuntu tag in the epoch, but it dosent really matter, you and farruinn have answered my query well enough, thanks
[02:24] <mjt> tonym32: any, where it is failing?  If it's still in installer, you can switch to text console and type `dmesg' to see more detailed info
[02:25] <mjt> linux_mafia: huh?
[02:25] <mjt> $ apt-cache search linux-source
[02:25] <mjt> linux-patch-debian-2.6.8.1 - Debian patches to Linux 2.6.8.1
[02:25] <mjt> linux-source-2.6.8.1 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8.1 with Debian patches
[02:25] <mjt> $ apt-cache show linux-source-2.6.8.1
[02:25] <mjt> Package: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[02:25] <mjt> Maintainer: Debian kernel team <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org>
[02:25] <mjt> Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[02:25] <mjt> Origin: Ubuntu
[02:26] <tonym32> mjt, i have check the iso  with md5sum -c md5sums (from the ftp)
[02:27] <tonym32> and after in the installer. if at the beginning i check the cd the the dedicated menu item. I works: say , the cd id good.
[02:27] <mjt> linux_mafia: linux-image-xxx -- your kernel, incl. -di one, -- is built from linux-source
[02:27] <mjt> linux_mafia: in debian, it's kernel-image-..., built from kernel-source
[02:28] <tonym32> mjt, when my installer failed, if i recheck the cd, the check failed.
[02:29] <mjt> tonym32: again, how did you check it, exactly?
[02:29] <tonym32> i wonder if it is possible to install ubuntu from internet like the debian ?
[02:29] <tonym32> mjt, the iso file ?
[02:29] <linux_mafia> mjt, after using apt-cache i see both have origin ubuntu for 2.6.9, anyway it's not clear in synaptic, i should be using cli anyway, getting lazy, heh
[02:29] <mjt> it is possible to install debian and "upgrade" to ubuntu
[02:30] <mjt> i never saw synaptic anyway... ;)
[02:31] <mjt> tonym32: you said: "when my installer failed, if i recheck the cd, ..." -- so the question is, how did you check the *cd* ?
[02:31] <tonym32> my iso check was done like this : C:\>md5sum -c md5sums
[02:31] <tonym32> warty-release-install-i386.iso: OK
[02:32] <linux_mafia> tonym32, the wiki has several methods for cd'less install : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FirstSteps
[02:32] <Q-FUNK> corrupted memory chips, usually.
[02:32] <mjt> tonym32: that's ok, before the install.  How did you check the *cd* ?
[02:32] <tonym32> mjg59, ok, I re-check the cd with the installer -> menu item "check the installatin cd"
[02:32] <mjt> Q-FUNK: what did you mean?
[02:33] <mjt> heh. anyone knoe what that installer menu item does? ;)
[02:33] <Q-FUNK> bad memory chips affect kernel operation and therefore the accuracy of what gets written to disks.
[02:33] <mjt> i was referring to hardware only -- to stuff inside the drives, that is
[02:35] <mjt> after 2 years of operations, 400+ drives without single failure, they now started developing bad blocks. Nothing wrong with that, but interesting point is that they're doing it many disks (at different places) at once
[02:37] <intinig> mjt: ibm?
[02:37] <Gmail> here here meeting soon in #ubuntu-meeting
[02:40] <mjt> intinig: does not matter, really -- it's just sort of coincidence. i was joking, sort of.
[02:41] <linux_mafia> mjt, some times whatever if its a purely hardware problem, ie something has come loose inside drive, head is not flying right, etc, the bad blocks have ongoing deterioration as the drive is still used and the thing causing the damage is not rectified
[02:41] <gethin> does anyone know if its possible to use wireless networking in ubuntu?
[02:41] <wezzer> hi to all
[02:42] <mjt> real drives are supposed to deal with bad blocks nicely, and they do.  It's ok to have several dozens or even 100s of bad blocks in grown defect list.
[02:42] <liran> what is the stable release of ubuntu ?
[02:42] <liran> 4.10 or warty ?
[02:42] <mjt> liran: it's the same
[02:42] <crimsun> gethin: yes
[02:43] <Pacchio> bt878 tv tuner nobody have?
[02:43] <crimsun> gethin: for most wifi hardware, detection and configuration is seamless and transparent during the installation
[02:43] <mjt> Gmail: what meeting?
[02:43] <wezzer> is grekllm only way to see cpu's temp?
[02:43] <Gmail> mjg59: topic
[02:43] <Paradoxx> I kno this might b a dumb question...but what is so special about Ubunto?
[02:44] <intinig> Paradoxx, try it
[02:44] <gethin> crimsun: it doesnt seem to work when i run live version off cd, do i need to install it onto hdd?
[02:44] <linux_mafia> mjt, i guess it depends on the drives auto-sparing algorythm, and when the bad sectors are detected, on a read or write makes a difference
[02:44] <crimsun> Paradoxx: built by Debian developers for (but not restricted to) a GNOME-based audience
[02:44] <Paradoxx> SUSE ppl have there  oh to great Y@ST, Gentoo have there wonderful portage tree..
[02:44] <mjt> so, can anyone help tonym32 with his install "read error" problem?
[02:44] <crimsun> gethin: try the Warty installer
[02:44] <Paradoxx> but y should I downoad Ubunto
[02:45] <farruinn> APT!
[02:45] <Paradoxx> Ubuntu*
[02:45] <intinig> Paradoxx, ubuntu has the best desktop linux experience
[02:45] <crimsun> Paradoxx: moreover, it has renowned Debian stability and quality
[02:45] <intinig> Debian + Polished Gnome Desktop
[02:45] <mjt> what is so special about ubunto is a good question, really -- i too want to know the answer ;)
[02:45] <intinig> what else do you want
[02:45] <intinig> 1 CD only
[02:45] <linux_mafia> intinig, you hit the nail on the head
[02:45] <crimsun> Paradoxx: and thankfully not the "ice age" ("outdatedness") of Debian stable releases
[02:46] <Paradoxx> i have SUSE installed atm, not as great as I have heard, well haven't gotten into the nitty gritty yet...
[02:46] <crimsun> Paradoxx: and, lest we forget, a thriving, friendly community
[02:46] <Paradoxx> but i'm pretty much ready to go back to Gentoo...
[02:46] <mjt> btw, is there anyone out there with a good expirience dealing with scsi disks?
[02:46] <linux_mafia> also the fact that many of the devs are gnome and debian developers aswell, means that people that really know their shit are working on it
[02:46] <Paradoxx> RH/Fedora was bloated to me, pretty much same for mandrake...
[02:47] <Paradoxx> haven't tried slackware
[02:47] <Morphalus> slackwra rox !
[02:47] <thomasvs> Paradoxx: try dos, it's not very bloated
[02:47] <Paradoxx> heard some intresting things...
[02:47] <Morphalus> slackware*
[02:47] <mjt> suxx, rocks, ...  That's.. kiddish, isn't it?
[02:47] <crimsun> mjt: by the time your OS is spitting out reports of bad sectors, the hardware itself is already pretty far gone, since long before that the drive was transparently remapping sectors
[02:48] <intinig> I come from Mac OS X (it's still my primary OS). Ubuntu is the only distro I can use
[02:48] <Paradoxx> but i saw a college of mine useing Ubunto and the curosity switch in my head ON, so im just here to see what it has to offer
[02:48] <Paradoxx> so I wanted to see what ppl who used it thought...
[02:48] <crimsun> (if that was to be directed toward someone else, please forward; I apologise for the misdirected addressing)
[02:48] <tonym32> mjg59, i  m checkinh the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FirstSteps site
[02:48] <mjt> my monitoring reporting remapping of blocks, and if a badblock is detected during read, it gets rewritten by monitoring daemon too
[02:49] <Paradoxx> will I get the onhand Linux experience without the bad M$ taste i get from RH...
[02:49] <linux_mafia> mjt, he could have said suxxors and roxxors, it wasn't as bad as it could have been, hehe
[02:49] <Paradoxx> that you pretty much get from Gentoo...
[02:49] <crimsun> Paradoxx: certainly. It's Debian underneath - just a very polished Debian on top.
[02:49] <tonym32> mjt,  i  m checkinh the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FirstSteps site
[02:49] <farruinn> Paradoxx: it's possible that the bloat, and M$ taste that you're talking about are simply the effects of gnome and/or kde
[02:49] <Paradoxx> i'm still new to linux and trying to find my distro...so don't mind my statements if they seem a bit uninformed..
[02:50] <crimsun> no harm in asking questions
[02:50] <Paradoxx> nah, I had KDE installed on my Gentoo machine but i didn't get that feel..
[02:50] <Paradoxx> RH just seemed way to sluggish for me, that is on a P3 500MHz
[02:50] <farruinn> ok, because KDE feels *very* windowsish to me
[02:51] <mjt> crimsun: i detest that silent thing, almost nothing is silent on my systems, -- at least up to the level i was able to turn silense into noise.  And i'm referring to overwise *silent* remapping when i said about several drives etc.  The hardware is good
[02:51] <Paradoxx> thats my linux test bed machine..
[02:51] <Paradoxx> what do you use?
[02:51] <Paradoxx> Fluxbox?
[02:51] <farruinn> when I'm not in gnome I'm in flux
[02:52] <Paradoxx> another newb question, y gnome vs kde vs flux?
[02:52] <Paradoxx> i kno better is not really a question to ask...
[02:52] <AndreiV> enlightement
[02:52] <AndreiV> :))
[02:52] <Paradoxx> but what made you choose one vs the other
[02:52] <mjg59> Paradoxx: The easiest answer is that it has a dependable release cycle
[02:52] <Paradoxx> care to elaborate?
[02:52] <mjg59> Gnome releases every 6 months
[02:52] <Paradoxx> you taking Gnome?
[02:52] <mjg59> Yes
[02:52] <Paradoxx> oh, ok..
[02:53] <mjg59> Ubuntu also releases every 6 months
[02:53] <farruinn> well, stable release of the entire ubuntu system every six months
[02:53] <Paradoxx> but then I could call Gentoo's name...
[02:53] <mjg59> Mm?
[02:53] <Paradoxx> in terms of updates
[02:54] <farruinn> _stable_ updates?
[02:54] <Paradoxx> well, thats for you to decide
[02:54] <Paradoxx> but portage tree is great
[02:55] <Paradoxx> as an update/fix is out...
[02:55] <mmc_> conoceis algun reproductor de video bueno para ubuntu
[02:55] <mjt> who does the kernel work in ubuntu?
[02:55] <crimsun> mjt: a variety of people
[02:55] <farruinn> apt gives you stable release without having to download/compile everything continuously
[02:56] <mjg59> mjt: At the moment, fabbione
[02:56] <farruinn> just one major download every 6 months if you so choose
[02:56] <crimsun> mjt: mdz, fabbione, herbert xu, etc.
[02:56] <Paradoxx> emerge > Y@sT > apt get
[02:56] <mjg59> Though I tend to do most of the PM stuff
[02:56] <wezzer> hey, is grekllm only way to see cpu's temp?
[02:56] <mmc_> video player for ubuntu?
[02:56] <crimsun> wezzer: gkrellm uses lm-sensors
[02:56] <mjt> heh, Herbert "moved" to ubuntu, eh? ;)
[02:56] <Pacchio> someone use tv tuner under ubuntu???????'
[02:56] <mjt> mmc_: any for linux? mplayer? xine? ...?
[02:57] <wezzer> crimsun: okay, thanks
[02:57] <mjg59> mjt: Herbert hasn't done much for a couple of months
[02:57] <mdz> mjg59: he's only maintaining Warty
[02:57] <mmc_> how to install it a dont have the option of downloading a pakage
[02:58] <stvn> mmc_: see if it is available in any other repository or download the source and compile
[02:59] <Rene_S> mmc_, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[02:59] <mmc_> a web for downloading the source
[02:59] <mjt> mmc_: xine is in debian - turn on universe part of ubuntu to /etc/apt/sources.lst; mplayer is available separately due to licensing probs, marillat debian repository will do the trick
[02:59] <stvn> mmc_: which package are you looking for?
[02:59] <Rene_S> mmc_, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing  main
[02:59] <Rene_S> add those 2 to your sources .list file
[02:59] <mmc_> a video player in ubuntu is only abailable de xmms
[02:59] <mjt> why unstable, btw?
[02:59] <stvn> mmc_: it's not advisable to download a single .deb and install it, unless you know what you are doing, sicne a single deb can have dependencies which it cannot solve on its own
[03:00] <Rene_S> then run update and you will see mplayer
[03:00] <stvn> mmc_: there's totem
[03:00] <mjt> mmc_: there are others (ogle etc), but xine is a very good player
[03:01] <padlefot> vlc ownz
[03:01] <mjt> (xine does not work on my hardware btw, because it's slow - while mplayer works good)
[03:02] <Paradoxx> HMMM
[03:02] <Paradoxx> hmmmm*
[03:02] <mmc_> tanks to everyone today is my first linux day
[03:02] <Paradoxx> i think i'll give it a try
[03:02] <Paradoxx> 1 CD you say...
[03:02] <padlefot> does anybody know how i can make f.ex the "Weather applet" in the panels transparent?
[03:02] <padlefot> and the clock?=
[03:02] <padlefot> i did it once, now it just doesnt wanna..
[03:02] <Paradoxx> ty for input :D
[03:02] <johann_> hello all
[03:04] <padlefot> please? anybody?
[03:05] <mmc_> using the synaptic there is no opcion of mplayer
[03:05] <padlefot> apt-get should have one
[03:05] <Rene_S> News Flash  Only 13 more days left till Chritmas
[03:05] <padlefot> apt-get install mplayer
[03:05] <mmc_> in the terminal apt-get mplayer ?
[03:05] <padlefot> yep
[03:06] <mmc_> root terminal or terminal
[03:06] <mjt> apt-get *install* mplayer
[03:06] <Rene_S> root
[03:06] <Rene_S> works better
[03:06] <padlefot> sudo apt-get insall mplayer-1386
[03:06] <padlefot> or something
[03:06] <Rene_S> well really not much difference in either terminal
[03:06] <padlefot> no!
[03:07] <padlefot> mmc_: sudo apt-get install mplayer-custom
[03:07] <padlefot> thats the one
[03:07] <mjt> . o O { "someone said that root terminal works better.." }
[03:07] <Rene_S> hehe
[03:07] <mmc_> unable to lock the administration directory?
[03:08] <Rene_S> Yeah, I said that.  I am only half awake.
[03:08] <mmc_> what menas sudo
[03:08] <padlefot> superuser do
[03:08] <mjt> mmc_: have you tried to install anything at all yet?
[03:09] <padlefot> it should prompt password:
[03:09] <mjt> Rene_S: i was only partially joking.  I heard exactly that statement from a friend of mime a while back, when i asked him why he's running everything as root.
[03:10] <Rene_S> mmc_, Go here Its a pretty good guide and explains a fair bit   http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:11] <Rene_S> Hehe, I have no idea on earth why I just said that, the only thing it saves me from is typing in sudo
[03:13] <Rene_S> Guess it was a morning brain fart.
[03:15] <wezzer> good evening everybody, how to change modules loading order? I mean, I have 2 soundcards, and kernel loads the AC97-modules before Soundblasters module and I wan't it vice versa
[03:18] <z00l> hello. :)
[03:18] <mjt> wezzer: i think it's mostly irrelevant (you can configure software to use a card with particular hw name); but you can put the module names into /etc/modules in whatever order you want
[03:19] <wezzer> mjt: hmm, good point
[03:19] <wezzer> I have to think about it
[03:19] <padlefot> how do i mount an NTFS disk into my system?=
[03:19] <Tsjoklat> padlefot through fstab
[03:20] <padlefot> says me very little
[03:20] <padlefot> :S
[03:20] <mjt> mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever ?
[03:20] <wezzer> padlefot: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda# /mnt/windows
[03:20] <wezzer> you have create /mnt/windows firts
[03:20] <wezzer> *first
[03:20] <z00l> have checked faq and google but am having a slight problem running a vanilla 2.6.9 kernel with ubuntu 4.10.  configured kernel with rootfs fs support in kernel built kernel then copied kernel to /boot.  added grub entry and on boot i get : "Kernel panic - no syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0"
[03:20] <z00l> oops. long line :)
[03:20] <z00l> any ideas guys?
[03:21] <Rene_S> Climb onto your box. look for the hd with the NTFS and then lay down on it. there now you have mounted a NTFS drive
[03:21] <padlefot> wezzer: liek mkdir /mnt/windows ?
[03:21] <z00l> oh. menu.1st looks like:
[03:21] <z00l> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.9-vanilla
[03:21] <z00l> root            (hd0,2)
[03:21] <z00l> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9 root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash
[03:21] <z00l> savedefault
[03:21] <z00l> boot
[03:21] <z00l> root@ubuntu:/boot # rdev vmlinuz-2.6.9
[03:21] <z00l> Root device /dev/hda3
[03:21] <wezzer> padlefot: yes
[03:22] <wezzer> be sure to create that as a root
[03:22] <wezzer> like sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> ^
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> |
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> |
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> |
[03:22] <Rene_S> topic ?
[03:22] <Rene_S> what topic ?
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> yes that freaky thing up there
[03:22] <z00l> yes. done that :)
[03:22] <wezzer> remember, that ntfs-writing support is unsafe. Do NOT write to ntfs partition, just read from it
[03:22] <Rene_S> I dont need no stinkin topic
[03:23] <Tsjoklat> now now now Rene_S that is so not needed
[03:23] <Treenaks> Rene_S: off-topic!
[03:23] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks :P
[03:23] <Rene_S> Treenaks, thanks BOB
[03:23] <Gmail> OMG i was staying up for the meeting and guess what
[03:24] <Gmail> Treenaks noted to me it is on tuesday
[03:24] <Treenaks> Rene_S: hm.. I don't think bob2 will like that ;)
[03:24] <Rene_S> Common Gmail you can do it, ride it out stay awake
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> tuesday, march 10th 2009
[03:24] <wezzer> anyone who needs gmail-invite?
[03:25] <padlefot> wezzer: thanx, but how can i make my user use the partiton?
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> wezzer no I don't need you to invite Gmail
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> he's here
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> always
[03:25] <Rene_S> Wow 2009, only 4 years to go
[03:25] <padlefot> it says i dont have permission
[03:25] <Gmail> lol
[03:25] <wezzer> :^)
[03:26] <Rene_S> thats a lot of Red Bulls in your future if your planning on staying up
[03:26] <wezzer> padlefot: umm, I've always used root to use the windows-partition
[03:26] <wezzer> padlefot: check ubuntuguide.org
[03:26] <padlefot> okaj
[03:26] <Gmail> rotfl
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> ti ta topic
[03:27] <joolz> does anyone actually /use/ their gmail account? :)
[03:27] <wezzer> I do
[03:27] <Rene_S> Here is a topic Rene_S is gonna be the first man on earth to pop a kid
[03:27] <Tsjoklat> I am thinking of changing it joolz
[03:27] <wezzer> it's quite handy
[03:27] <Treenaks> joolz: only 1000MB? :P
[03:27] <Treenaks> /dev/md0              284G  5,8G  277G   3% /
[03:27] <padlefot> i also use it
[03:27] <joolz> i got one out of curiosity, but i never udes it
[03:27] <Gmail> joolz: yes i do
[03:27] <joolz> Treenaks: i gave up running gmail local ;-P
[03:28] <gangalino> looking at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingProcedures is this the full correct synatx for booting: /vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hda5 ro quiet splash noapic ?
[03:28] <Tsjoklat> I think you should change your nick Gmail
[03:28] <joolz> Tsjoklat: lemme guess: "hotmail"? :)
[03:28] <Tsjoklat> joolz gotcha :)
[03:29] <joolz> damn: 15:28:49 [freenode]  -!- hotmail Erroneous Nickname
[03:29] <joolz> too bad :)
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> yahoo?
[03:29] <yahoo> yeah!
[03:29] <yahoo> thanks Tsjoklat
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[03:29] <yahoo> Gmail: wanna buy? :)
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> most welcome
[03:30] <ubuntu> now that's one i could get hard cash for!
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> I think Gmail pasted out
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> it's so... tranquil all of the sudden
[03:32] <Rene_S> is it just me or is everyone hearing voices in there head today ?
[03:32] <ubuntu> Rene_S: not me, i had my depot injection yesterday :)
[03:32] <crimsun> there are no voices outside my head
[03:32] <Tsjoklat> I just have an itch I can't shake
[03:32] <stvn> lol
[03:33] <Rene_S> Too late for me, I dont think thats gonna help me at this stage of my term
[03:33] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S thinks he is preggers
[03:33] <Rene_S> Man Tsjoklat thats way too much info for me.  Take that up with your OBGYN
[03:33] <crimsun> EPT
[03:33] <Gmail> LOL
[03:34] <Ubuntu-Linux> i own this one
[03:34] <wezzer> anyone who has experience with cinelerra?
[03:34] <ubuntu> Ubuntu-Linux: hey bro!
[03:34] <gangalino> what is recovery mode good for? fixing/changing hardware?
[03:34] <Tsjoklat> wezzer sounds like an STD
[03:34] <Ubuntu-Linux> ubuntu: you don't own that nick
[03:34] <wezzer> I can't get my movies into right format, so cinelerra could use them
[03:34] <ubuntu> no, i just nicked it
[03:35] <joolz> ah, that's better
[03:35] <Tsjoklat> joolz :P
[03:35] <joolz> Tsjoklat: you didn't notice it was me?
[03:36] <Tsjoklat> nah was too busy scratching my itch
[03:36] <Rene_S> wash your hands after
[03:36] <Tsjoklat> I was going to wipe it off on you
[03:36] <Rene_S> the internet has enough viruses.
[03:37] <Tsjoklat> so you can have another
[03:37] <Tsjoklat> wouldn't know the dif
[03:37] <Rene_S> On me > ha, i am already preggers you can make me
[03:37] <Rene_S> cant
[03:37] <Rene_S> stand in line, I think the freakin Aliens did something to me
[03:38] <Rene_S> Linux:  Its not just for sane people, anymore.
[03:40] <Tsjoklat> Gmail please change your nick
[03:45] <ricardo> hello
[03:46] <ricardo> Anyone?
[03:46] <crimsun> hi
[03:46] <Granted> oui
[03:46] <ricardo> I thought I was all alone
[03:46] <ricardo> :-)
[03:46] <Rene_S> Hello ricardo and Welcome to Fantasy Island
[03:46] <ricardo> All riiight!!!! :-)
[03:46] <Gmail> ricardo: you are all only with another 296 people
[03:47] <ricardo> Hey does anyone know how to get sound in avi files in totem?
[03:47] <ricardo> Mine is crackling and I can't hear a thing
[03:47] <Rene_S> I find my pron to be too loud so I am glad it doesnt work
[03:48] <crimsun> assuming you have the correct codecs installed, ricardo?
[03:48] <Pacchio> ubuntu vs fedora
[03:48] <Pacchio> what's the best?
[03:48] <Pacchio> :P
[03:48] <Gmail> ubuntu
[03:48] <Rene_S> the sounds you are missing rcardo are Ohhhhh, ewwww, ahhhhhh
[03:48] <ricardo> Yep. I did them with Mplayer and that one works perfectly. I was just wondering why that happens.
[03:48] <Pacchio> why?
[03:48] <Pacchio> repository are old?
[03:48] <Pacchio> or not?
[03:49] <crimsun> ricardo: are you using totem-xine?
[03:49] <ricardo> Well I compiled it from source. And yes I'm using xine.
[03:49] <crimsun> hmm, self-compiled. Dunno.
[03:49] <crimsun> lotta variables in play then
[03:50] <crimsun> what sort of "crackling?"
[03:50] <ricardo> I just hear fragments of the actual audio but that's it. Too brief (less than 1 sec).
[03:50] <Rene_S> kinda like the sound a fire makes when its burning your PC along with your house kinda crackling
[03:51] <Tsjoklat> I just hear voices
[03:51] <Rene_S> or is the sound like breaking bones when you get hit by a truck kinda crackling ?
[03:52] <ricardo> Has any of these things ever happened to you guys????
[03:52] <Tsjoklat> maybe it is constipation Rene_S
[03:52] <Rene_S> The house fire and the truck hitting me has
[03:52] <Granted> not to me
[03:53] <ricardo> You should practice safer sports then... :-)
[03:53] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S sporting??? hahah muuuhahaha
[03:53] <Rene_S> Its all fun and games till someone looses an eye, then its a sport
[03:53] <ricardo> well... abou the sound?
[03:53] <ricardo> any light?
[03:53] <Tsjoklat> if lifting a budweiser is sport.. yeah okay
[03:54] <Rene_S> ricardo, unfortunaltly I havent had that problem, have you tried the totem-xine package ?
[03:54] <Rene_S> or are ya using the gstreamer version ?
[03:55] <Granted> which one is best anyway?
[03:55] <ricardo> that's what I did and works with every kind of file, except avi and wmv. The sound is like that,
[03:55] <Rene_S> does it run in plain xine-ui ?
[03:55] <ricardo> totem xine
[03:56] <Rene_S> try installing xine-ui and play ur avi file in that
[03:56] <ricardo> I'll try that right now. Thanks!
[03:56] <Rene_S> also make sure ya gotz the ol win32 codec pack
[03:56] <ricardo> See ya later to tell you guys if it worked.
[03:56] <Rene_S> just in case
[03:57] <ricardo> okay. Thanks!
[03:57] <darren> Where can i get the win-32 codecs for xine?
[03:58] <Granted> which is best totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[04:00] <Rene_S> mmc_, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:00] <Rene_S> darren,  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:00] <cardador> Granted: xine
[04:01] <Granted> got xine it does work allright!
[04:01] <Granted> thanks cardador
[04:01] <Rene_S> I just use Kaffeine
[04:01] <mjt> -ETOOMUCHCAFFEINE
[04:02] <wood1> Hi to all
[04:02] <crimsun> 'lo
[04:02] <Tsjoklat> hey Gmail2
[04:02] <Tsjoklat> I mean wood1
[04:02] <mjt> heh
[04:02] <crimsun> Tsjoklat: =P
[04:03] <wood1> Well how are all of you today
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> crimsun :P
[04:03] <wood1> Some at Office, some at Home
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> we were good
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S is pregnant
[04:03] <wood1> Oh really
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> yes
[04:03] <Granted> is it a boy?
[04:03] <wood1> Well congratulations to Rene_S
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> it is all highly upsetting
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> he can't remember what happened
[04:04] <wood1> Tsjoklat, how do you know all these things ??
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> I see things
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> I also hear things
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> it is all very mysterious
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> or just bonkers
[04:04] <wood1> So you have some kind of a six sense
[04:04] <Rene_S> anyone have a pickle
[04:05] <Tsjoklat> I would call it the 11th toe
[04:05] <Granted> do yu smell aswell?
[04:05] <echo> w00 w00, just installed :)
[04:05] <Tsjoklat> can't say I do Granted
[04:06] <wood1> Tsjoklat, which are of computing do you specialize in ?
[04:06] <Rene_S> Well its alright if I am preggers, But If I get a yeast infection i am gonna go live in a cave in the mountains
[04:06] <wood1> Cold Mountain
[04:06] <wood1> !!!!!
[04:06] <Tsjoklat> hamana wood1?
[04:06] <wood1> I'm sorry, I don't get it
[04:07] <Granted> good luck all!
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> me neither wood1
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> tara Granted
[04:08] <binne101> kennie???
[04:08] <wood1> Tsjoklat, Have you ever customize the Ubuntu distro ?
[04:09] <Tsjoklat> wood1 I don't do anything but
[04:09] <echo> is there a gui tool in ubuntu to configure X? I want to up the resolution
[04:09] <wood1> Do you know any good sites to download movies ?
[04:10] <wood1> echo, if you don't get that resolution from Computer>System Configuration, then you are out of luck
[04:10] <GotD0t> wood1: yea, its called movielink
[04:10] <iz> echo, under sytemconfig
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> yeah Blockbuster
[04:10] <echo> 1024x768 is the highest it shows
[04:11] <wood1> Well that's the highest you can get
[04:11] <wood1> How big is your monitor ?
[04:11] <Tsjoklat> oh my Lord.. iz talked in #ubuntu
[04:11] <echo> 17"
[04:11] <Treenaks> echo: try putting a "#" in front of the "HorizSync" and "VertRefresh" lines in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:11] <wood1> Well see the /etc/X/XF86Config-4
[04:11] <wood1> file
[04:11] <echo> Treenaks, yeah, I can edit the XF86Config-4 myself and add resolutions, I just thought this might have a slick GUI
[04:12] <GotD0t> echo: or adding some new resolutions in that file, if your monitor supports it then you should be able to change to it
[04:12] <iz> Tsjoklat, :)
[04:12] <wood1> Treenaks, do you know any sites to download hollywood movies
[04:12] <Treenaks> echo: no remove the 2 lines and try again -- it might detect the monitor instead of sticking to the -- too low -- values specified
[04:12] <Tsjoklat> iz :)
[04:12] <echo> Treenaks, Ah.
[04:12] <Treenaks> wood1: yes, www.mpaa.org
[04:12] <binne101> ubuntu hangs on booting it stops on Enterprise Volume Management System
[04:12] <GotD0t> wood1: go to movielink.com
[04:13] <echo> brb
[04:13] <GotD0t> wood1: they should have eveyrthing you want there
[04:13] <binne101> does anyone have an idea
[04:13] <wood1> thanks man
[04:13] <TitanFox> yerf
[04:13] <wood1> Can you get to the command prompt ?
[04:13] <binne101> no
[04:13] <TitanFox> I have a question about GRUB
[04:14] <wood1> binne101 have you tried the recovery mode ?
[04:14] <binne101> yes
[04:14] <binne101> keeps going, no sensible output
[04:15] <binne101> error 00x23 etc
[04:15] <wood1> How many times do you have to reboot to get connected to the X Windows ?
[04:15] <TitanFox> I installed Ubuntu on my SCSI harddrive. The installationroutine partitioned the harddrive itself. It installed the basic install, after that the additional packages, but after its done and I want to boot from my harddisk, I get the error "GRUB 1.5" "Error 22"
[04:15] <TitanFox> it wont boot into Ubuntu
[04:15] <iz> TitanFox, what sort of question
[04:15] <iz> arf
[04:15] <kenneth_> Enterprise Volume Management System probably has something to do with LVM right? can\t you turn that off at book?
[04:16] <wood1> Well guys, I wanted free movie links
[04:16] <wood1> http://www.mpaa.org
[04:16] <wood1> does not work
[04:16] <Rene_S> hehe
[04:16] <WsQ> Could anyone help me with IntelliExplorer Bluetooth? I actually seem to be able to connect, but the mouse won't do anything.
[04:16] <Rene_S> imagine that
[04:16] <wood1> movelink.com is only for US residents
[04:16] <TitanFox> So, Ubuntu is installed, the GRUB boot manager is installed, but it wont boot from HDD. It just gives Error 22 and hangs
[04:17] <echo> you guys should really enable the truetype autohinter.
[04:17] <echo> dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[04:17] <echo> makes fonts look tons better
[04:18] <wood1> By the way, how easy is it to create a database in MySQL and use a web browser to store records in that database ??
[04:19] <wood1> Ever since switching to Ubuntu, I never missed anything but MS-Access
[04:20] <WsQ> Nobody can help me? damn... :(
[04:20] <wood1> Well thank good that I can connect to a XP Machine using Terminal Server Client
[04:20] <Rene_S> alright I am going back to bed
[04:20] <wood1> Help you with what ?
[04:20] <WsQ> bluetooth
[04:20] <wood1> OK good night and take care of your baby
 Could anyone help me with IntelliExplorer Bluetooth? I actually seem to be able to connect, but the mouse won't do anything.
[04:20] <wood1> What's wrong with bluetooth ?
[04:20] <Rene_S> thanks
[04:21] <WsQ> I can't get my mouse working...
[04:21] <wood1> Are you using Windows now
[04:22] <TitanFox> geeze...even installing Windows wasnt that annoying...*sigh*
[04:22] <TitanFox> at the moment I am using a livecd of Knoppix to be able to do anything at all
[04:22] <TitanFox> but my harddrives are empty
[04:22] <TitanFox> I have 2 SCSI drives (u160) and a IDE ATA harddrive
[04:22] <TitanFox> maybe I should disconnect the IDE drive for a moment
[04:23] <TitanFox> the bios sees that one as HD0
[04:23] <WsQ> wood1: no, I'm on linux
[04:23] <TitanFox> maybe thats why GRUB has a conflict, but I am not sure
[04:23] <TitanFox> I am going to try that
[04:23] <wood1> Are you using all the commands from the Keyboard now !!!
[04:23] <WsQ> no, I have a laptop which has a touchpad
[04:24] <WsQ> wchich sucks
[04:25] <WsQ> I've used this to help me: http://people.debian.org/~crafterm/inspiron8500.html
[04:26] <echo> heh, the ubuntu printer test page really eats up an ink cartridge.
[04:26] <echo> but it's pretty
[04:26] <WsQ> I can do everything that the site says without any errors, but the mouse still doesn't work... :(
[04:26] <MobyTurbo> I'm using Ubuntu Warty. The theme manager seems to have a problem, when I select other themes the colors and gtk themes change but the metacity window decorations stay the same.
[04:28] <darren> Is there a package I can download to install xine?
[04:29] <MobyTurbo> darren, apt-get install xine-ui
[04:29] <MobyTurbo> darren, in universal
[04:29] <darren> universal?
[04:30] <MobyTurbo> darren, the "universal" Debian unstable snapshot repository, it's commented out by default.
[04:31] <echo> universe, not universal
[04:31] <MobyTurbo> oops. :-/
[04:31] <echo> open synaptic.
[04:31] <darren> How do I do it  using synaptic?
[04:31] <echo> go to Settings, Repositories
[04:31] <echo> and check the grayed out repositories.
[04:32] <echo> you really only need the one of type "deb"
[04:32] <echo> not the "deb-src"
[04:32] <echo> unless you are going to be compiling things ;)
[04:33] <MobyTurbo> does anyone have any idea about my theme problems?
[04:33] <echo> darren: make sure you do a "reload" in synaptic after you change them
[04:33] <xukun> anybody know the reason for the dependencies problem when installing xfce4 desktop? I,m using Warty
[04:33] <echo> MobyTurbo, no unless you aren't using metacity.. you didn't switch to sawfish or anything did you?
[04:34] <MobyTurbo> echo, no, I'm using the default; metacity.
[04:34] <farruinn> xukun, no idea, it worked fine for me.  Which packages are causing problems
[04:34] <echo> MobyTurbo, have you tried logging out and back in?
[04:34] <xukun> farruinn, sec
[04:34] <MobyTurbo> echo, I was just thinking I'd do that. brb.
[04:35] <echo> I've seen metacity get confused about themes.
[04:35] <xukun> farruinn, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:35] <xukun>   xfce4: Depends: xfce4-session (>= 4.1.99) but it is not going to be installed
[04:35] <xukun>          Depends: xfce4-utils (>= 4.1.99) but it is not going to be installed
[04:35] <xukun>          Depends: xfdesktop4 (>= 4.3.5) but it is not going to be installed
[04:35] <echo> I'm upgrading to hoary! w00.
[04:35] <magnon> uhoh :)
[04:36] <echo> I've got sid on another partition, I'm just playing :)
[04:36] <farruinn> xukun, are you using any non Ubuntu or non warty repos in your sources.list?
[04:37] <farruinn> because the xfdesktop4 in warty is 4.0.5-3
[04:37] <xukun> farruinn, yes
[04:37] <farruinn> ok, what is the name of the repository, debian unstable?
[04:37] <darren> Where can I dl the xine win32 codec package?
[04:37] <echo> heh, my clock was off because I had to setup pppoe after I booted... so I ran /etc/init.d/ntpdate again, and when It changed the clock, xscreensaver kicked in.
[04:38] <MobyTurbo> yeah, logging out and back in worked. Yuck, almost as bad as rebooting windows. ;-)
[04:38] <echo> MobyTurbo, I've seen metacity get confused about themes after an upgrade
[04:38] <xukun> farruinn, http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37
[04:38] <MobyTurbo> echo, I'm running warty though so I haven't had much in the way of upgrades.
[04:39] <echo> MobyTurbo, you probably could have done "killall metacity" and it would have restarted itself
[04:39] <MobyTurbo> echo, hmm. Maybe I'll try that if I have the problem again.
[04:40] <farruinn> xukun, how are you running apt-get?  apt-get install -t binary xfce4?
[04:40] <echo> Just tested it, it works.. metacity dies and comes right back
[04:40] <xukun> farruinn, yes
[04:40] <Solatis> hmmmm, aren't there any kde-related packages available on ubuntu? :)
[04:41] <xukun> farruinn, apt-get install -t binary xfce4
[04:41] <farruinn> try apt-get install -t binary xfce4 xfce4-session xfce4-utils xfdesktop4 ?
[04:41] <MobyTurbo> echo, it takes a licking but keeps on ticking. ;-)
[04:41] <Solatis> i'm used to editing with Kate, which depends on kde :)
[04:41] <crimsun> Solatis: in 'universe', yes
[04:41] <echo> MobyTurbo, well, gnome-session makes sure it starts back up ;)
[04:41] <echo> gotta have k3b from universe too ;)
[04:41] <xukun> farruinn, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:41] <xukun>   xfce4-utils: Depends: libgtkhtml2-0 (>= 2.6.2) but 2.4.1-1 is to be installed
[04:42] <farruinn> xukun, do you *really* need the latest xfce?
[04:42] <darren> Where can I dl the xine win32 codec package?
[04:43] <farruinn> xukun, because you can keep adding the things that are causing dependencies to your command, but I doubt that repo has libgtkhtml
[04:43] <xukun> farruinn, not realy but that would be nice tho
[04:43] <crimsun> xukun: are you using hoary?
[04:43] <xukun> crimsun, warty
[04:43] <crimsun> ah.
[04:44] <MobyTurbo> darren, add the multiverse and marillat repositories. Details are available on ubuntuguide mentioned in the /topic
[04:44] <crimsun> 2.6.2 is in both sid and hoary
[04:44] <xukun> crimsun, I have seen this but I dont get it well: http://www.os-cillation.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=deb-help;action=display;num=1098413341
[04:45] <echo> MobyTurbo, I've been thinking of adding to that guide, there should be a "how do I do this in the GUI" version of that guide.
[04:45] <xukun> crimsun, that was you yes?
[04:45] <crimsun> xukun: one and only.
[04:46] <xukun> crimsun, is there a working work around in there without upgrading to hoary? mybe I missed it then
[04:46] <MobyTurbo> echo, I agree. For lots of people, thanks to the shipit program, Ubuntu is their first distribuition. They prefer the GUI way of doing things.
[04:47] <crimsun> xukun: what is the install hitching on besides libgtkhtml?
[04:47] <farruinn> xukun, check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[04:47] <echo> like, you can add the universe and marillat repositories using synaptic.
[04:47] <MobyTurbo> echo, marillat needs multiverse too.
[04:48] <echo> MobyTurbo, ah
[04:49] <xukun> farruinn, that is not bad
[04:49] <echo> someone should write a sources advertising format.
[04:49] <farruinn> just subsitute the repos on that link you gave me for the hoary lines on the wiki
[04:49] <echo> like, maybe an rss feed full of sources.list entries.
[04:49] <MobyTurbo> echo, multiverse has the same syntax as universe (except the name part)
[04:50] <echo> and then synaptic could connect to that and give you choices to add to your sources.list file.
[04:50] <echo> that would be slick.
[04:50] <MobyTurbo> echo, there aren't that many third party repositories appropriate for ubuntu.
[04:50] <crimsun> echo: that's (apt-get.org ish) more suitable for Debian proper
[04:50] <MobyTurbo> echo, it isn't like Debian stable which needs a billion backport repositories if you want to use it on the desktop.
[04:50] <echo> MobyTurbo, no, but this could benefit debian proper as well
[04:51] <echo> crimsun, yes, and if there was an rss feed, the apt-get.org could have one
[04:51] <echo> and synaptic would know what to do with it
[04:51] <farruinn> xukun, I'm not sure it's really going to do things exactly the way you want because I don't know if libgtkhtml is included on that repository
[04:51] <MobyTurbo> echo, that sounds kind of scary to me. several of the apt-get.org repositories conflict with each other in undocumented ways.
[04:51] <echo> MobyTurbo, but it would make it easier for newbies to add universe and multiverse.
[04:51] <crimsun> farruinn: only in sid and hoary currently
[04:52] <farruinn> crimsun: hm?
[04:52] <crimsun> universe and multiverse are in synaptic
[04:52] <echo> multiverse isn't.
[04:52] <crimsun> farruinn: RE: libgtkhtml-2.0 2.6.2
[04:52] <echo> and it isn't obvious how you select them
[04:52] <njs12345> if I install KDE will it break my ubuntu?
[04:52] <Solatis> hmmmm, is there any official ubuntu artwork section other than on the forums ?
[04:52] <crimsun> njs12345: not at all.
[04:52] <Solatis> i'm looking for this wallpaper:
[04:52] <Solatis> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/ubuntu.png
[04:52] <MobyTurbo> echo, I think hoary should include multiverse commented out like universe.
[04:53] <crimsun> Solatis: humancircle
[04:53] <MobyTurbo> echo, it is semi-official after all
[04:53] <farruinn> crimsun: this is a third-paty repository, I have no clue what's on it besides xfce
[04:53] <Solatis> crimsun: is that the name of the wallpaper ?
[04:53] <njs12345> crimsun: it's just that if I install it through synaptic is says it'll remove libfam0c102
[04:53] <crimsun> njs12345: are you running warty or hoary?
[04:53] <echo> MobyTurbo, it's not obvious from the synaptic repository editting screen which one you should check.
[04:53] <njs12345> hoary
[04:53] <pepsi_> like a bad date... warty, hoary, and grumpy
[04:53] <crimsun> njs12345: that's fine. gam_server and libgam* replace fam and libfam*
[04:54] <njs12345> lol
[04:54] <njs12345> ok thanks a lot :)
[04:54] <MobyTurbo> echo, then synaptic needs to be redesigned some, it's synaptic's fault, not the repository file's.
[04:54] <echo> MobyTurbo, mainly because when it first comes up, the window isn't wide enough
[04:54] <xukun> farruinn, hmm
[04:55] <echo> plus, the end user doesn't necessarily need to see the URLs and stuff.
[04:55] <MobyTurbo> echo, the window, except the CD reference, looks wide enough to me.
[04:56] <MobyTurbo> echo, how to get to "repositories" though for most users is non-obvious, and what to put in even less so - especialy considering that marillat uses a different format than uni/multiverse.
[04:56] <njs12345> hmm.. it's complaining because it can't find kontact-plugins
[04:57] <njs12345> Depends: kontact-plugins (>=4:3.2.3-1) but it is not installable
[04:58] <MobyTurbo> brb, caffeine is calling
[04:58] <farruinn> xukun, any luck?
[04:58] <crimsun> njs12345: it is no longer provided by any pool
[04:58] <crimsun> njs12345: you can try looking in snapshot.debian.net
[04:58] <echo> MobyTurbo, I couldn't see the fields that contained "universe" by default
[04:58] <echo> I had to drag the window wider
[04:58] <njs12345> eh
[04:59] <njs12345> I guess I'll just not install the kde package then, and go with separate kdelibs/kdebase/kdepim etc
[04:59] <xukun> farruinn, no, I,m installing the one in ubuntu's repositories
[04:59] <farruinn> xukun, ok, that's probably best
[04:59] <farruinn> mixing your sources can break the system quite easily
[05:00] <xukun> farruinn, I see
[05:00] <xukun> bbl
[05:00] <njs12345> I broke my system first time.. I upgraded to hoary and then upgraded evolution
[05:00] <njs12345> everything started coming down around me lol
[05:00] <farruinn> warty is fresh enough for me
[05:00] <farruinn> I'll gladly take slightly out of date packages over instability
[05:01] <njs12345> I like the bleeding edge
[05:01] <farruinn> they don't call it the bleeding edge for nothing though =)
[05:01] <njs12345> that's definitely true
[05:02] <njs12345> bah apt got my hopes up this morning
[05:02] <|icu|> In evolution when I enable on authentication for smtp It gets disabled once I go ok. If I go back it's unselected again. Is there anyway to enable it?
[05:02] <njs12345> I went for my daily "sudo apt-get {update,upgrade}" and it said fglrx-driver needed to be updated
[05:02] <njs12345> so I thought ATI had finally done the december driver update which they said was coming.. but meh, they hadn't
[05:04] <farruinn> I really shouldn't say too many bad things about hoary though - it the development branch.  It needs to be tested.
[05:04] <farruinn> if no one used it then that would never happen
[05:04] <njs12345> yeah.. us masochists make the world go round ;)
[05:05] <xukun> farruinn, have you seen the new version of xfce4
[05:05] <xukun> >
[05:05] <farruinn> xukun, no
[05:05] <farruinn> xukun, is it vastly superior to the one provided by warty?
[05:06] <xukun> farruinn, I did it realy looks much beter
[05:06] <xukun> yes
[05:07] <xukun> farruinn so I think I will take the chance of upgrading to hoary
[05:08] <farruinn> hey, on the bright side, if you're using xfce you don't have to worry about the gnome-menus shit ;)
[05:08] <xukun> true
[05:08] <GotD0t> xukun: do you need any 3d games and have a ati gfx card?
[05:09] <xukun> GotD0t, no, but what is your point?
[05:09] <GotD0t> xukun: because the ati drivers are not accelerated in xorg yet
[05:10] <xukun> GotD0t, I dont have any ati card, so its ok then!
[05:10] <GotD0t> xukun: lucky you ;-)
[05:16] <kensai> is it recomended to install warty and without updating the install just upgrade to hoary. Or is better first having the warty box up2date?
[05:18] <GotD0t> kensai: it is recommended that you use warty
[05:20] <Treenaks> sval: dutch support in #ubuntu-nl :)
[05:20] <sval> Treenaks: why do you say that to me ?
[05:21] <pepsi_> whoary
[05:22] <Treenaks> sval: because your last name looks Dutch, and you're from Belgium :)
[05:22] <Treenaks> sval: uh.. in belgium
[05:22] <sval> Treenaks: and in belgium ther is 50% people who are french speaking ;)
[05:23] <Treenaks> sval: yes, but those tend to have Frenchish names :)
[05:23] <sval> Treenaks: my name is Stphane ...
[05:24] <kensai> GotD0t, I know, I'm a SID user
[05:24] <Treenaks> sval: well, sorry then :)
[05:24] <sval> Treenaks: no prob :d
[05:24] <Treenaks> mjt: ubuntu got on your system by means of magic? :P
[05:24] <kensai> GotD0t, I just want to know the question I asked, I've used Hoary without problems but I'm going to do another fresh install of warty
[05:25] <GotD0t> kensai: do you want to be able to use both?
[05:25] <MobyTurbo> bummer, another person refused to take an ubuntu CD pack.
[05:25] <farruinn> kensai, I think updating the few security updates there are for warty then going to hoary would be a waste of time
[05:25] <farruinn> I'd just upgrade to hoary right away
[05:25] <MobyTurbo> I tried to explain how Linux is superior to Windows, I think he didn't believe me. ;)
[05:26] <GotD0t> MobyTurbo: take a different approach, take the approach of how shitty windows is
[05:26] <mjt> my first system has been installed ages ago. speaking of debian, i gust used debootstrap once to create minimal live system and copied the image to numerous machines, upgrading as necessary...
[05:26] <mjt> s/gust/just/
[05:26] <MobyTurbo> GotD0t, I mentioned that too.
[05:26] <GotD0t> MobyTurbo: gotta do more than mention it
[05:26] <kensai> farruinn, Yeah I thought so but I wanted a second opininon
[05:26] <MobyTurbo> GotD0t, I literally put the CD in his hand, and he gave it back.
[05:26] <kensai> GotD0t, nah I just use hoary] 
[05:27] <farruinn> MobyTurbo: linux isn't for everyone
[05:27] <GotD0t> kensai: then im confused, if you already use hoary then why you going to install warty then upgrade to hoary?
[05:27] <farruinn> GotD0t: second machine I believe
[05:27] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, true enough, but the amount of people to whom it's appropriate grows larger.
[05:27] <kensai> GotD0t, nah I use SID now where I was using Hoary and now in my other HDD I'll have hoary again
[05:28] <kensai> farruinn, second HDD ;)
[05:28] <farruinn> eh, close enough =)
[05:28] <mjt> btw, upgrading from sid (or even sarge) to horay or warty is.. risky
[05:28] <GotD0t> kensai: gotcha, just install warty then switch your sources over to the hoary sources and update
[05:28] <kensai> mjt, I don't plan to do so from SID just from warty and I've done it before
[05:28] <mjt> hoary even
[05:29] <kensai> GotD0t, yeah I know
[05:29] <GotD0t> kensai: then what seems to be the question?
[05:29] <mjt> there are several changes in ubuntu packages compared to debian (kernel-package is one of them), but on sid some packages are more recent, so ubuntu changes will be lost
[05:30] <farruinn> mjt, can't that be fixed with pinning?
[05:30] <mjt> unless you do dist-upgrade after removing debian sources.lst entries
[05:30] <farruinn> ah
[05:30] <kensai> GotD0t, the first I asked and it was answered long ago now
[05:30] <mjt> farruinn: for that to work you have to know which packages to pin
[05:30] <kensai> ;)
[05:30] <GotD0t> kensai: oh, hehe
[05:30] <kensai> I just miss Xorg a lot
[05:30] <farruinn> mjt, Package: * no?
[05:31] <mjt> well.. it may work too
[05:31] <farruinn> :)
[05:31] <BockBilbo> hello
[05:31] <kensai> here in SID I can compile Xorg but nothing compares to the roriginal when Debian gets their own packages of Xorg
[05:31] <mousematt> hello
[05:31] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, are you the one that do some gnome icon themes?
[05:34] <eim> Is there any way to disable the use of devfs during the Ubuntu CD (Warty) boot. I need a traditional /dev, thanks.
[05:36] <mjt> devfs=nomount?  But it may not work after boot
[05:37] <eim> mjt: Fact is I need to reinstall grub on the MBR. I have my root on /dev/hda3 and boot on /dev/hda2.
[05:37] <mjt> why everyone's installing grub/lilo in mbr, btw?
[05:37] <mjt> and, why to use separate /boot partition? ;)
[05:37] <mjt> (not answers to your question, but i'm curious ;)
[05:38] <eim> mjt: To have more troubles in extreme rescue situations ;)
[05:38] <BockBilbo> what do i have write in the command of a link for executing a .sh file in gnome??
[05:38] <BockBilbo> sh /loc/ation/file.sh ?
[05:38] <nash> hello
[05:38] <mjt> BockBilbo: the same as you use to execute it in command line? ;)
[05:39] <BockBilbo> ... i know it should be that mjt but dont know why it doesnt work
[05:39] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:39] <mjt> eim: it should be ok to refresh grub install even with devfs: grub has nothing to do with devfs, really, it uses it's own naming scheme for disks/partitions
[05:41] <BockBilbo> mjt, i want to create a link for azureus
[05:41] <BockBilbo> which is located at /opt/azureus/azureus
[05:41] <mjt> select tablespace_name,sum(bytes),count(*),min(bytes),max(bytes) from dba_free_space group by tablespace_name;
[05:41] <BockBilbo> ive tried with: sh /opt/azureus/azureus in the command.. but doesnt work
[05:41] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:41] <mjt> oops - wrong window
[05:41] <BockBilbo> neither /opt/azureus/azureus
[05:42] <nash> guys sorry, i just added an user to my ubuntu machine...but it's not allowed to use the audio system, while i am...seems like a permission matter...any idea?
[05:42] <mjt> does it work from the terminal?
[05:42] <eim> mjt: I boot with the Ubuntu installer CD, mount /dev/hda3 as oldroot, chroot oldroot. Once inside I need to mount /boot which Is mapped as /dev/hda2 but I can't cause the Ubuntu installer CD uses /dev/disc/etc. syntax.
[05:42] <BockBilbo> well.. it works if i am in the location
[05:42] <BockBilbo> if i do:
[05:42] <BockBilbo> /opt/azureus $ sh azureus
[05:42] <mjt> eim: mount both while you're outside of the chroot
[05:43] <eim> mjt: Yes, this is possible. Then...
[05:43] <mjt> eim: it's a good idea anyway to mount while in real root
[05:43] <johann_> There used to be a k3b installation guide on the ubuntu site can't seem to find it was it removed?
[05:44] <Treenaks> johann_: just apt-get install k3b, then run gksudo k3b
[05:44] <BockBilbo> johann
[05:44] <mjt> BockBilbo: i dunno what's azureus and how it works.. try: cd; sh /opt/azureus/azureus frmo the terminal - will it work?
[05:44] <wezzer> be careful, k3b mixed up my gnome
[05:44] <farruinn> BockBilbo, have you run azureus before?  I tried it and it was really ugly imo
[05:44] <eim> mjt: Ok. What's next in order to be able to reinstall the MBR with grub? Thanks.
[05:45] <johann_> Treenaks : any problems running k3b or does it work good?
[05:45] <nash> guys sorry, i just added an user to my ubuntu machine...but it's not allowed to use the audio system, while i am...seems like a permission matter...any idea?
[05:45] <BockBilbo> farruinn, nope, ive always used the original BT
[05:45] <Treenaks> johann_: not that I know, except that it's a KDE app
[05:45] <mjt> eim: chroot and install it as usual?  your /dev/ *inside* chroot should be ok i think
[05:45] <eim> mjt: I'll check and let you know. Thanks.
[05:45] <BockBilbo> mjt it does work
[05:45] <BockBilbo> :)
[05:46] <mjt> BockBilbo: how exactly?
[05:46] <mjt> ;)
[05:46] <BockBilbo> cd; sh /opt/azureus/azureus
[05:46] <BockBilbo> in terminal
[05:46] <mjt> what it prints out? what you expect it to do but it does not do?
[05:47] <johann_> Treenaks thx
[05:47] <BockBilbo> mjt, are you talking to me?
[05:47] <mjt> yes ;)
[05:47] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, you need opt in your path if you want executables to run from there when you are outside of the directory
[05:48] <mjt> hehe
[05:48] <BockBilbo> well.. trie linux_mafia
[05:48] <mjt> linux_mafia: i don't think you're exactly right ;)
[05:48] <BockBilbo> ... i didnt think on that... im gonna create a symlink in /usr/bin
[05:48] <BockBilbo> righ?
[05:48] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, /usr/local/bin
[05:49] <mjt> BockBilbo: *why* it does not work?
[05:49] <mjt> before doing any symlinks or path manipulations... ;)
[05:49] <linux_mafia> mjt, yeah i wasnt exactly right, he would need /opt/azureus, unless he had a symlink in /opt itself
[05:49] <BockBilbo> mjt, dont know.. it does work in the terminal.. but not in the link
[05:49] <BockBilbo> ..
[05:50] <mjt> er
[05:50] <eim> mjt: No way, I see only /dev/hda1 mounted as / in the chroot. Which is also false.
[05:50] <mjt> 19:45 < BockBilbo> mjt it does work
[05:50] <mjt> 19:46 < BockBilbo> cd; sh /opt/azureus/azureus
[05:50] <BockBilbo> ohhhh..
[05:50] <BockBilbo> hold on
[05:50] <mjt> eim: does it bother you?
[05:50] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, why not just add an entry in your menu for it?
[05:50] <mjt> eim: that info is in /etc/mtab
[05:51] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, thats what i did
[05:51] <mjt> linux_mafia: that's what he's trying to do, exactly
[05:51] <BockBilbo> ;)
[05:51] <eim> mjt: Furthermore I can't use grub-install because it needs a partition target in the chroot which I can't provide due to the fact that the chroot does not have /dev which is handled by Ubuntu's udev.
[05:51] <mjt> eim: aha!
[05:51] <eim> mjt: I'll check mtab.
[05:51] <linux_mafia> mjt, and what was the problem?
[05:52] <mjt> linux_mafia: it does not work ;-P
[05:52] <mjt> linux_mafia: i asked him several times how exactly it does not work
[05:52] <linux_mafia> oh
[05:52] <linux_mafia> ok
[05:52] <mjt> eim: just ignore the mount thing - it's irrelevant
[05:52] <mjt> eim: but the lack of devices in /dev is.. problematic
[05:53] <deFrysk> anyone know of a solution of the nvidia-driver freeze in hoary ?
[05:53] <eim> mjt: Yes. I can't install grub without /dev.
[05:53] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, you using hoary or warty?
[05:53] <eim> mjt: Outside the chroot I have /dev.
[05:53] <BockBilbo> warty
[05:53] <mjt> eim: i think it's best to mount devfs (yes, right) in the chroot too, and go from there, replacing hda with disks/.../whatever
[05:53] <ploum> Hi,
[05:54] <ploum> is there a know problem with the latest nvidia driver in Hoary with kernel 2.6.9-k7 ?
[05:54] <ploum> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX
[05:54] <ploum> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "AGPFastWrite" is not used
[05:54] <ploum> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "PageFlip" is not used
[05:54] <ploum> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" is not used
[05:54] <netmonk> hello all! do you know how I can change the coding of the font in Gaim in Ubuntu.
[05:54] <eim> mjt: This would be solution. Any ideas on how to mount devfs in the chroot?
[05:54] <mjt> eim: if `mount -t devfs devfs /chroot/dev' does not work saying `already mounted', 'busy' or whatever, try bind-mount
[05:55] <bradbury9> hello
[05:55] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, so you added a menu entry for azureus, but its not working, is that your problem?
[05:55] <mjt> BockBilbo: so, *how exactly* it "does not work" from the terminal?
[05:55] <eim> mjt: ok
[05:55] <bradbury9> coulbd anyone tell me a good sources.list? I find the default ones quite limited
[05:56] <mjt> fsvo "good" ;)
[05:56] <farruinn> bradbury9: what are you looking for?
[05:56] <farruinn> have you enabled universe/multiverse?
[05:56] <bradbury9> dvd playing software
[05:56] <BockBilbo> yes linux_mafia
[05:56] <mjt> i've seen a list of about 500 debian repositories somewhere ;)
[05:56] <eim> mjt: /dev is here now, nice.
[05:56] <BockBilbo> ive done a new link
[05:56] <bradbury9> universe
[05:57] <bradbury9> how can be multiverse enabled?
[05:57] <BockBilbo> and write /opt/azureus/azureus in the command line and doesnt work
[05:57] <farruinn> bradbury do you use synaptic?
[05:57] <GotD0t> bradbury9: add multiverse next to wherever you added universe
[05:57] <bradbury9> yes, I do
[05:57] <mjt> bluefoxicy: 4th time: *how exactly* it "does not work" ??
[05:57] <mjt> er
[05:57] <mjt> BockBilbo: 4th time: *how exactly* it "does not work" ??
[05:57] <bradbury9> ok, I will try the new packages
[05:57] <bradbury9> thanks
[05:57] <BockBilbo> hehe
[05:57] <BockBilbo> sorry mjt
[05:57] <BockBilbo> :s
[05:58] <BockBilbo> it just doesnt start
[05:58] <BockBilbo> :s
[05:58] <BockBilbo> i double click on it
[05:58] <BockBilbo> and nothing happens
[05:58] <mjt> when you run it on terminal -- does it prints something? some error messages?
[05:58] <GotD0t> BockBilbo: do you have to pass it an arg for it to work?
[05:58] <BockBilbo> instead, if i do what you said in the gnome-terminal (cd;/opt/azureus/azureus) it does work
[05:58] <BockBilbo> mjt it does not give any error
[05:59] <mjt> fun stuff ;)
[05:59] <BockBilbo> it starts normally
[05:59] <BockBilbo> .s
[05:59] <adam_> can someone help me get my java working on my ubuntu
[05:59] <mjt> does it open any window when run?
[05:59] <BockBilbo> GotD0t, i havent
[05:59] <BockBilbo> from terminal yes
[05:59] <mjt> what's it, anyway? ;)
[05:59] <adam_> what do i do at the terminal to get my java working
[06:00] <nash> guys sorry, i just added an user to my ubuntu machine...but it's not allowed to use the audio system, while i am...seems like a permission matter...any idea?
[06:00] <mjr> nash, add the user to the audio group in the user manager
[06:01] <mjt> nash: audio group
[06:01] <mjt> oops
[06:01] <adam_> can any one help me to get my java working at the terminal
[06:01] <BockBilbo> mjt its a bit torrent client
[06:01] <farruinn> nash, adam, have you read the restricted formats wiki page?
[06:01] <adam_> yea
[06:01] <farruinn> try asking a more specific question
[06:01] <Q-FUNK> Is it just me or are the Nerdelands turning into the axis of evil?
[06:01] <restrex> how knows a good text navigator? (by console)
[06:01] <eim> mjt: Inside the croot with devfs and /boot mounted grub-install /dev/discs/disc0/disc reports: /dev/discs/disc0/disc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. Any ideas? Thanks.
[06:02] <restrex> whonows a good text navigator? (by console)
[06:02] <trans_err> how can I update my BIOS in linux?
[06:02] <Kosai> trans_err: You can't.
[06:02] <Kosai> You can read from it, via /dev/nvram.
[06:02] <wezzer> okay, I have dvd copied on my hardrive. How can I make a xvid-conversion of it?
[06:02] <Kosai> But I don't think it's writable to.
[06:02] <nash> thx a lot guys... :)
[06:02] <wezzer> normally I would type mplayer dvd://1 -dumptsream -dumpfile foo.avi
[06:02] <trans_err> so i'm stuck?
[06:03] <linux_mafia> nash, in  a teminal type : sudo adduser audio <yourusername>
[06:03] <Kosai> trans_err: I don't know whether you're stuck, because you haven't told us what your problem is.
[06:03] <restrex> who knows a good webbrowser by console?
[06:03] <GotD0t> Kosai: <trans_err> how can I update my BIOS in linux?
[06:04] <olorin> restrex: lynx
[06:04] <trans_err> Kosai, well AGP is being buggy and I want to see if an update will fix it
[06:04] <Kosai> GotD0t: That's not a problem, it's a question that I answered.
[06:04] <restrex> ok thanks olorin ;)
[06:05] <nash> thx a lot...solved out :)
[06:05] <Q-FUNK> oops.  wrong channel
[06:06] <nash> bye
[06:06] <paradoxmo> hey folks, how do i get the trash icon on the panel? i can't seem to find it in the applet list.
[06:07] <mjt> eim: well, i haven't used grub myself (yet), and can't say much. one thing to try, however: `grub-install hd0' to force it to use its own names
[06:08] <eim> mjt: Seems to be fine, I'll check.
[06:09] <mjt> eim: btw, out of curiosity: what it says with --verbose flag?
[06:09] <eim> mjt: grub installed but without any menu selection.
[06:10] <MobyTurbo> restrex, if you want tables and some frames, links, elinks, or w3m might be better choices.
[06:12] <mjt> eim: try firing up `grub', and `find /boot/grub/stage1'
[06:12] <mjt> eim: btw, it seems you don't need to chroot, provided you gave grub the proper /whatever/boot/grub directory
[06:14] <titanfox> hi all
[06:14] <Pugio> Question: I have gentoo installed with yaboot boot loader
[06:14] <titanfox> installing Ubuntu worked
[06:14] <Pugio> How can I boot from the cd in order to boot from the Warty install disk?
[06:14] <GotD0t> titanfox: gratz
[06:14] <rjek> OK.  Why after I've put an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive, and clicking the close button on the CD player that pops up, does it seem to lock the tray?
[06:14] <Pugio> (I want to overwrite the gentoo install)
[06:14] <rjek> I have to do "eject /cdrom" to get it open again.
[06:14] <titanfox> the solution for the problem I had with Grub 1.5 (error 22 during load) is because of the IDE harddrive.
[06:14] <rjek> And there's no icon on the desktop to do it from.
[06:15] <paradoxmo> rjek: computer->disks->right click on cdrom->eject
[06:15] <titanfox> If you want to install ubuntu on a SCSI drive, Ubuntu will still see IDE Primary Master as HD0
[06:15] <titanfox> it will also install GRUB there
[06:15] <paradoxmo> pugio: ppc?
[06:15] <rjek> paradoxmo: How obvious.  Ta.
[06:15] <Pugio> yup
[06:15] <Pugio> paradoxmo: yes
[06:15] <rjek> Why does it lock the tray for an audio CD anyway?
[06:15] <Pugio> will holding down the C still work?
[06:16] <Pugio> or did yaboot overwrite that?
[06:16] <titanfox> logically, because the Ubuntu install is on SCSI disc 1, GRUB will not find the system on HD0 (IDE Primary Master)
[06:16] <titanfox> maybe this is helpfull for you guys, in case someone will encounter the same problem
[06:16] <georgia> Pugio: thats a frmware thing, it stilll works
[06:16] <farruinn> Pugio: holding the c key just boots from master on the second ide bus
[06:16] <|icu|> How do I get smtp authentication to work in evolution?
[06:16] <mjt> titanfox: it's not ubuntu, it's the bios who boots off your hdd
[06:16] <Pugio> ok thanks alll
[06:16] <Pugio> I'll go try it out
[06:16] <titanfox> mjt, not really. My bios is set to boot from SCSI
[06:16] <titanfox> and not from any other device
[06:17] <titanfox> second, and third boot device are disabled
[06:17] <titanfox> also boot from other device is set to disable
[06:17] <mjt> titanfox: when it should be enouth to put evetything to that scsi disk
[06:17] <titanfox> nah
[06:17] <titanfox> Ubuntu installs GRUB on the first fysical disc
[06:17] <titanfox> in this case, HD0 (IDE)
[06:18] <titanfox> but I told the setup that it should install the system on SCA0
[06:18] <mjt> i mean, it you "force-install" grub to scsi disk, the whole thing should work
[06:18] <titanfox> mjt: obviously, it didnt
[06:18] <mjt> determining which disk is "first" one isn't ttrivial
[06:18] <mjt> (esp since one can change it in bios)
[06:19] <mjt> er, s/it/if/ 3 lines above ;)
[06:19] <titanfox> mjt: I disconnected the IDE disc, installed ubuntu, first-startet the kernel and then reconnect the IDE drive
[06:19] <titanfox> then everything worked
[06:20] <titanfox> but my next question
[06:20] <titanfox> I installed and booted into Ubuntu
[06:20] <titanfox> into the graphical interface X
[06:20] <titanfox> but how do I configure the kernel
[06:20] <paradoxmo> how do i get the trash applet on the panel? it doesn't seem to be in my applet list
[06:20] <mjt> what do you want to achieve by configuring the kernel?
[06:21] <titanfox> I want to enable NTFS support and such
[06:21] <titanfox> NTFS R-W support
[06:21] <mjt> i mean, why default kernel isn't suitable for you?  Isn't ntfs enabled by default?
[06:21] <|icu|> titanfox: doesn't exist in a usable form.
[06:21] <farruinn> paradoxmo: you're in hoary?
[06:22] <titanfox> mjt : I downloaded kernel 2.6.8.1-k7
[06:22] <titanfox> but I want to adjust some options
[06:22] <mjt> it's the binary
[06:22] <mjt> you want linux-source-2.6.8.1 package
[06:22] <paradoxmo> farruinn: no, gnome is (mostly if not) warty gnome
[06:22] <titanfox> well, make menuconfig and such doesnt work
[06:22] <titanfox> I installed and booted into 2.6.8.1-k7
[06:23] <paradoxmo> farruinn: but the system is partially hoary, yes
[06:24] <farruinn> paradoxmo, maybe make sure trashapplet is installed.  If it is do a dpkg-reconfigure on it
[06:24] <farruinn> if that doens't work you can always put it on your desktopeasily
[06:24] <titanfox> mjt : I also have to configure the scsi adapter
[06:25] <titanfox> ubuntu uses the wrong module
[06:25] <paradoxmo> yeah, i upgraded from testing, so the package wasn't installed, thanks
[06:25] <titanfox> 79xx
[06:25] <titanfox> but I need to load the 78xx module
[06:26] <Pugio> Oy! Now I remember why I installed Gentoo instead of Ubuntu, I can't get the ubuntu installer to boot
[06:26] <Pugio> I thought maybe that it was a CD error, but it's definately not
[06:27] <paradoxmo> pugio: does any debian-based live cd boot?
[06:27] <Pugio> I think so
[06:27] <Pugio> I remember installing Debian a while ago
[06:27] <Pugio> and Yellow Dog also worked
[06:27] <farruinn> Pugio: what model computer are you trying to install onto?
[06:27] <mjt> titanfox: hopefully it'll be fixed in 2.6.10 kernel, finally... but it should really try both drivers for now
[06:27] <paradoxmo> what version of debian?
[06:27] <Pugio> G4 agp graphics - let me explain the problem
[06:27] <Pugio> It starts to boot
[06:28] <Pugio> but it get's a kernel panic
[06:28] <titanfox> by the way, how can I check what kernel is currently loaded ?
[06:28] <topogeek> anyone speak spanish?
[06:28] <Pugio> with the message
[06:28] <Pugio> "Kernel Panic, rebooting in 180 seconds"
[06:28] <Pugio> or something to that effect
[06:28] <farruinn> topogeek: they do #ubuntu-es
[06:28] <Pugio> this is a G4 AGP graphics
[06:28] <paradoxmo> titanfox: uname -a
[06:29] <topogeek> thanks farruinn
[06:29] <Pugio> I have no idea how to get the kernel to succesfully boot
[06:29] <paradoxmo> pugio: do you remember what version of debian worked?
[06:30] <paradoxmo> could it possibly be a 2.4/2.6 change? are you running 2.6 on gentoo?
[06:30] <titanfox> paradoxmo : Linux Athlon2700 2.6.8.1-3-k7 #1 Thu Nov 18 13:24:36 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:30] <Pugio> No, but it was less than six months ago
[06:30] <titanfox> is that kernel up to date ?
[06:30] <paradoxmo> titanfox, then you're running 2.6.8.1-3-k7
[06:30] <Pugio> I'm running a gentoo 2.6.9
[06:30] <titanfox> okies
[06:30] <Pugio> *(not that that has to do with anything really)
[06:31] <paradoxmo> hmm. could try booting a debian install, installing the base system, and then upgrading to ubuntu?
[06:31] <paradoxmo> if your boot problem doesn't get solved
[06:31] <Pugio> that might work
[06:31] <Pugio> I'm not sure how exactly... but I'll figure it out
[06:31] <paradoxmo> i'm a i386, do they have knoppix for ppc?
[06:31] <Pugio> right now I want to try to figure out why this CD won't boot
[06:32] <Pugio> no:(
[06:32] <Pugio> I wish
[06:32] <restrex> MobyTurbo  ok ;) sorry i was eating :P
[06:32] <paradoxmo> it doesn't tell you *why* the kernel panicked?
[06:32] <Pugio> well, there's a bunch of messages before it
[06:32] <Pugio> but nothing glaring
[06:32] <Pugio> I can try to take a picture of the screen and post it
[06:33] <RobDollar> just got my cd, having a problem with resolution on the live CD, after the splash screen, the resolution is too big, and hence my screen goes crazy, I've tried setting the resolution to minimum on boot, but it always goes back to the big resolution
[06:33] <RobDollar> any ideas?
[06:34] <paradoxmo> pugio: would you? worth a shot
[06:34] <paradoxmo> i can't promise anything 'cuz i don't know that much about ppc
[06:34] <Pugio> lets see then...
[06:34] <paradoxmo> robdollar: do you have trouble with this monitor on any other machine?
[06:35] <RobDollar> no
[06:35] <RobDollar> its only 14inch, and can only go up to 800X600
[06:35] <ploum> Hello
[06:35] <ploum> Even with composite disabled, latest nvidia drivers doesn't seems to work
[06:35] <paradoxmo> robdollar, did you try the boot options at the splash?
[06:36] <RobDollar> paradoxmo: yes, ive altered the command lines at the bottom to be the lowest possible, but it always seems to put the resolution back to high after splash
[06:37] <paradoxmo> well, the problem in the first place is that your monitor probably doesn't have dcc support, so X can't tell what resolutions it uses
[06:38] <BockBilbo> im back..
[06:38] <paradoxmo> i don't have the live cd, so i'm at a loss as to exactly how to help
[06:39] <paradoxmo> does knoppix work?
[06:39] <BockBilbo> i  havent been able to create the link to azureus.. but well
[06:39] <BockBilbo> :s
[06:39] <Quest-Master> Has anyone here gotten MIDI to work in Ubuntu?
[06:39] <BockBilbo> is it possible to make samba start on booting without cnfiguring it via network-admin
[06:40] <Pugio> Ok, I tried doing some searches on the Ubuntu forums, but nothing - so I'm taking the picture now
[06:41] <njs12345> hmm
[06:41] <njs12345> I installed KDE
[06:41] <njs12345> and now my menus are buggered
[06:41] <njs12345> is there a menu editor for GNOME?
[06:42] <seb128> hoary ?
[06:42] <paradoxmo> njs, is it warty gnome or hoary gnome?
[06:42] <paradoxmo> Pugio: ok
[06:42] <njs12345> hoary gnome
[06:43] <seb128> njs12345, apt-get install --reinstall gnome-menus
[06:43] <njs12345> ok brb
[06:43] <paradoxmo> anyone here involved with the website? i registered for an account and it never sent me any of the information.
[06:45] <Gwildor> i dont thinkit does?
[06:45] <Gwildor> shipit?
[06:45] <GotD0t> paradoxmo: did you type your email address correctly ;-)
[06:45] <njs12345> do I need to restart gdm? I logged out and back in and it didn't do anything
[06:45] <paradoxmo> GotD0t: yes (-:
[06:46] <paradoxmo> i actually registered twice, because it gave me an error after i gave it an email address with a plus sign in it, so i used another one
[06:46] <paradoxmo> but i never got instructions at either one
[06:46] <paradoxmo> njs: to get to the menu editor, do applications->run->applications:///
[06:47] <RzR> i just tested the livecd on my laptop and the touchpad is not enabled :( but on knoppix it works
[06:47] <Pugio> pardoxmo: I got the picture, uploading it now. There actually is a message for the panic. It's "Kernel Panic: Attempted to kill init"
[06:47] <paradoxmo> hmm.
[06:49] <njs12345> paradoxmo: is that like a nautilus scheme? if I go to "actions->run->applications:///" it gives me an error
[06:50] <paradoxmo> yes, that's a nautilus thing
[06:50] <paradoxmo> what error?
[06:50] <njs12345> Cannot display location 'applications://'
[06:50] <njs12345> Details: There is no default action associated with this location
[06:50] <njs12345> it happens with three /s as well
[06:51] <paradoxmo> i heard that there were some issues with hoary gnome and applications:///
[06:52] <paradoxmo> i'm using warty gnome /-: so i don't know
[06:52] <paradoxmo> is it major what happened to your menus?
[06:52] <paradoxmo> you could try using right-clicking in the menu and deleting and adding?
[06:53] <Pugio> aaandd, I just deleted the photos
[06:53] <Pugio> here we go agin
[06:53] <paradoxmo> pugio: genius (-;
[06:53] <paradoxmo> i do things like that all the time
[06:56] <Pugio> oh yes
[06:56] <Pugio> super genius
[06:59] <emanuelez> hello everybody
[07:00] <ploum> hello
[07:00] <emanuelez> i'm considering to switch from debian/unstable to ubuntu...
[07:00] <emanuelez> hi ploum
[07:00] <ploum> emanuelez, my advice is to install from scratch
[07:00] <paradoxmo> emanuelez: i just did that last week, so if you need help...
[07:01] <Pugio> ok paradoxmo
[07:01] <Pugio> here's the pictures
[07:01] <emanuelez> paradoxmo: did u face any trouble?
[07:01] <paradoxmo> emanuelez: yes, but it's nothing not easily fixed
[07:01] <Pugio> in order of viewing: http://pugio.spymac.net/DSCN2622.JPG http://pugio.spymac.net/DSCN2624.JPG http://pugio.spymac.net/DSCN2623.JPG
[07:01] <Pugio> three parts of the screen
[07:02] <emanuelez> mmm... maybe i should just burn some dvds to have my home dir and /etc... innit?
[07:02] <emanuelez> just in case.... :)
[07:03] <paradoxmo> emanuelez: nothing's really incapacitated, just some things don't initially work like plugging in your usb disk and having it automatically mount
[07:03] <paradoxmo> but just to be sure, why not?
[07:03] <emanuelez> paradoxmo: yeah... time for some backup :)
[07:03] <Pugio> pardoxmo: if you can't read any part, let me know and I'll attempt to sharpen it
[07:03] <paradoxmo> pugio: sig11 looks suspiciously like memory error
[07:03] <Pugio> yeah
[07:03] <Cred> Hello. Is it possible to get wmv 9 support?
[07:04] <Pugio> says bad access
[07:04] <paradoxmo> and then the rest of it looks like something with the serial driver,
[07:04] <zenpod> Cred, yes, w32codecs from merrillat
[07:04] <zenpod> er wait
[07:04] <zenpod> dunno if that's 9
[07:04] <paradoxmo> but that may be just where it failed? 'cuz it says serial8250 nothing to do on powermac
[07:05] <Cred> zenpod, ok. What name does the package have?
[07:05] <zenpod> w32codecs
[07:05] <zenpod> ubhuti, restrictedformats
[07:05] <ubhuti> Since there are some legal restrictions on what Ubuntu can freely release, some software my need to be aquired elsewhere.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats to find out how you can get this non-free software.
[07:06] <paradoxmo> maybe try switching your second memory chip into the first slot?
[07:06] <paradoxmo> and removing the first
[07:09] <Pugio> paradoxmo: I could try that, but the problem is
[07:09] <Cred> zenpod, thanks. It does seem to have WMV9 codec.
[07:10] <Pugio> it works fine with debian, YDL, gentoo
[07:10] <zenpod> Cred, cool :)
[07:10] <Pugio> why would I have to switch only for Ubuntu?
[07:11] <paradoxmo> i don't know...different systems hit different things... even with like slightly different kernel versions. at this point you're not sure if it really is the memory flaking or not, but if you switch them you'd make sure
[07:11] <paradoxmo> if it does the same thing, then it's not a memory flake (or at least very unlikely)
[07:11] <paradoxmo> but if it is a memory flake, you're better off knowing now
[07:12] <Pugio> right
[07:12] <Pugio> oook, I'll try it
[07:12] <Pugio> so.. switch the DIMMs
[07:12] <Pugio> or just use one?
[07:12] <paradoxmo> just use one, for now?
[07:12] <paradoxmo> i guess that's safer
[07:12] <Pugio> oook
[07:12] <Pugio> here we go
[07:14] <mjt> bad memory chips?
[07:15] <mjt> i had an interesting thing once, long time ago... bad memory, which, at that time, only hit bitmap preview in norton commander (MSDOS-6.0 times)
[07:15] <Karlos> hi can anyone help me out with a little problem regarding my alcatel speedtouch 330 modem and ubuntu
[07:15] <mjt> and only in DOS, not within windows dos box
[07:16] <paradoxmo> mjt: yeah sounds familiar
[07:16] <Karlos> i am making the move from libranet
[07:16] <paradoxmo> what are you specifically having a problem with Karlos?
[07:16] <lil_anthony> question: anyone in here use paltalk by chance? i have been trying to set it up with wine but either i'm doing something wrong or it simply doesn't work. I found a page that talked about importing dlls and did that but it failed any help would be great
[07:17] <Karlos> this 2.6 kernel seems to have built in support but i cant get it too work
[07:17] <paradoxmo> what's wrong?
[07:18] <aaroncuk> hi all, got my ubuntu cds today.. yay.. just want to know if there is an msn client for ubuntu
[07:18] <Pugio> well, remvoing the 3 other DIMM's did zip
[07:18] <Pugio> soooo, I guess it's not a memory flake
[07:18] <PotajiTo> .. aaroncuk gaim is included in ubuntu
[07:19] <paradoxmo> you sure you used a different first module?
[07:19] <Karlos> when the computer boots up i get an error regarding the speedtch module something about an unrecoignised character
[07:19] <Pugio> woops
[07:19] <Pugio> nope, I left the first one in
[07:19] <Pugio> let me switch that
[07:19] <Karlos> ive managed to get it too work with the speedtouchconf script
[07:19] <paradoxmo> aaroncuk: applications->internet->gaim instant messenger
[07:20] <aaroncuk> cool thanks
[07:20] <BockBilbo> how do i install a .deb packae?
[07:20] <BockBilbo> dpkg xx.deb??
[07:20] <wasabi> man dpkg
[07:20] <paradoxmo> it supports multiple protocols, so you might have to go into accounts and select msn manually
[07:20] <paradoxmo> dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:20] <paradoxmo> but reading the man page is a good idea
[07:21] <BockBilbo> thnks
[07:21] <paradoxmo> karlos: don't know enough about that, sorry...
[07:21] <Cred> zenpod, works like a charm. Great, thanks.
[07:21] <Karlos> no worries....cheers
[07:21] <zenpod> Cred, excellent :)
[07:23] <Cred> A new problem. I have a budget Technotrend digi TV card and I've been trying to get it to work. As far as I know all necessary modules are loaded but /dev/video0 is missing.
[07:23] <Treenaks> Cred: digital TV? you mean DVB?
[07:23] <Treenaks> Cred: because that quite different from analog TV
[07:23] <Cred> Treenaks, DVB.
[07:24] <Tsjoklat> want me to take that one Treenaks?
[07:24] <Treenaks> Cred: look on linux-tv.org (and get the dvb utilities packages)
[07:24] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: take what?
[07:24] <miausX> hi! :)
[07:24] <Tsjoklat> the dvb geezer
[07:24] <Tsjoklat> hey miausX!
[07:24] <Cred> I ran MAKEDEV-DVB.sh and that indeed create some devices but didn't help.
[07:24] <miausX> hi Tsjoklat!! :D
[07:24] <paradoxmo_food> hi there
[07:24] <Tsjoklat> and how are you doing miausX
[07:25] <miausX> Tsjoklat, oh, well... I'm investigating about warty-updates repository :)
[07:25] <paradoxmo> what about it?
[07:25] <Cred> Treenaks, look what? That site doesn't provide much help for my problem, at least I didn't find anything useful.
[07:25] <Tsjoklat> miausX how exciting!
[07:25] <Treenaks> Cred: browse around a bit
[07:26] <Cred> Actually it wasn't linux-tv.org..
[07:26] <Cred> linux-tv.org seems to be in german
[07:26] <miausX> Tsjoklat, I don't think so... I don't know what is the purpose of that repository and there is not info about that :(
[07:27] <Tsjoklat> miausX to get files... do you have problems setting it up?
[07:27] <Treenaks> Cred: without the -.. linuxtv.org
[07:27] <paradoxmo> miausX: it's for updates (e.g. security) after warty, but nothing bleeding edge
[07:27] <miausX> oh! I see :D
[07:28] <miausX> Tsjoklat, no, it works well :)
[07:28] <paradoxmo> if you know debian, it's like security.debian.org?
[07:28] <Cred> Treenaks, yea ;) And I didn't find much help from there.
[07:29] <miausX> paradoxmo, hum? but... I have a line in my sources.list for security upgrades: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[07:29] <miausX> is not the same than deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[07:30] <paradoxmo> hm, you're right. let's see.
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> miausX just add that to the security too
[07:30] <miausX> hola punk0 :)
[07:30] <punk0> hi, i have troubles whit ubuntu like gateway of my lan
[07:30] <paradoxmo> punk0: how did you set it up?
[07:30] <miausX> Tsjoklat, yep, I have both installed
[07:30] <miausX> errr... added in my sources.list, sorry :)
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> make security main restricted universe multiverse
[07:30] <zenwhen> hey Tsjoklat :D
[07:30] <punk0> i have a adsl line and use pppoctl
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> hey zenwhen :)
[07:31] <paradoxmo> hmm, it appears i was wrong. i will join you in the search for more info...
[07:31] <paradoxmo> punk0: have you not tried to set it up as the gateway yet?
[07:32] <miausX> paradoxmo, thanks :)
[07:32] <paradoxmo> Tsjoklat: he's asking what the warty-updates repo is for
[07:32] <paradoxmo> not how to use it
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> paradoxmo I stand corrected
[07:33] <punk0> use the same rules that in other servers and where if they works
[07:34] <paradoxmo> punk0, are you directly trying to set up iptables?
[07:34] <paradoxmo> you could try firestarter
[07:34] <punk0> directly
[07:34] <punk0> i make a script to make a simple nat
[07:34] <punk0> not firewalling
[07:34] <paradoxmo> is it a dynamic ip?
[07:35] <paradoxmo> and what're the symptoms? you can't get anything from your clients?
[07:35] <punk0> yeap a dynamic ip
[07:35] <punk0> i can connect to msn
[07:36] <punk0> an some web like google
[07:36] <punk0> and amazon
[07:37] <paradoxmo> but what can't you do?
[07:37] <paradoxmo> (this is from the clients right?)
[07:37] <punk0> but cant load more elaborated pages
[07:37] <paradoxmo> for example?
[07:38] <paradoxmo> pugio: did it work?
[07:38] <shmoolik> hello i have just installed ubuntu for the 1st time :)
[07:38] <paradoxmo> shmoolik: congrats (-:
[07:38] <eim> mjr: MBR (grub) is installed. Just one problem remains: When the system boots it get's in panic telling me it can't open /dev/console. Infact there's no console in /dev on the root.
[07:38] <shmoolik> thanks
[07:38] <shmoolik> :)
[07:38] <Moon-Monkey> can any1 tell me why i aint getting any sound in ubuntu? i just installed it, so do i need to install some drivers or something?
[07:39] <paradoxmo> what are you trying to get sound out of?
[07:39] <wezzer> Moon-Monkey: alsamixer
[07:39] <wezzer> check that there are no muted master etc...
[07:39] <Moon-Monkey> you mean which program?
[07:39] <farruinn> Pugio: did you ever get that cd to boot?
[07:39] <wezzer> alsamixer
[07:40] <paradoxmo> moon-monkey: applications->media->volume control
[07:40] <paradoxmo> and see if anything's muted
[07:40] <shmoolik> but i have a problem  i have installed it with my windows .... and i still want my windows to b my defult OS how can i change that ?
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> shmoolik move it up in grub so that it is the first in the list
[07:40] <shmoolik> ( what i mean is that iwant the GRAB to load windows as the defulte OS)
[07:40] <farruinn> shmoolik, I think that if you boot into windows once it will become your default
[07:40] <Moon-Monkey> ahh, "volume control" should have thought of that from the start... :P
[07:41] <shmoolik> Tsjoklat,  can u tell me how can i move it up
[07:41] <farruinn> but I'm on ppc, so I don't know for sure
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> farruinn no it won't
[07:41] <Moon-Monkey> thnx peeps
[07:41] <paradoxmo> shmoolik: try http://ubuntuguide.org/#changedefaultosgrub
[07:41] <shmoolik> thanks paradoxmo :)))
[07:41] <farruinn> Tsjoklat: ok, thanks.  I thought that it had on a friend's machine but I guess not.
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> shmoolik /boot/grub
[07:42] <shmoolik> Tsjoklat,  as a root right ?
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> shmoolik sudo
[07:44] <shmoolik> thank u all ppl u were a grate help
[07:44] <shmoolik> i found the file and i c it have very good explantoin in it
[07:44] <shmoolik> thank u thank thank u
[07:44] <paradoxmo> np shmoolik
[07:44] <Simira> how do I delete all contacts in evolution?
[07:45] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: do you know when these improved boot times (30 second boots) are going to make it to hoary?
[07:50] <Solatis> crimsun: earlier you were telling me that the wallpaper i was referring to (http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/ubuntu.png
[07:50] <Solatis> ) was called 'humancircle'
[07:50] <Solatis> however, i still am unable to find that wallpaper (
[07:50] <Solatis> :(
[07:51] <Solatis> anyone else perhaps has any idea ? i have the feeling it's a really common background, however, it's not in ubuntu-artwork and is not anywhere on the forums
[07:52] <Pugio> farruinn: satill can't get disk to boot
[07:53] <paradoxmo> pugio: so different dimms, no go?
[07:53] <Pugio> nope
[07:53] <paradoxmo> ick.
[07:53] <Pugio> tried different dimms, slots, everything
[07:53] <Pugio> no go
[07:53] <paradoxmo> at least you know you don't have memory issues
[07:53] <farruinn> do you have some extra pci cards in there?
[07:53] <Pugio> hmmmm
[07:53] <Pugio> maybe
[07:54] <Pugio> but you're right, that could be it
[07:54] <Pugio> well, the thing is that I have 2 different video cards
[07:54] <farruinn> aha
[07:54] <Pugio> they've given me some problems before, but only with gentoo and X11
[07:54] <farruinn> one that you installed?
[07:54] <Pugio> worked fine with Yellow Dog tho, yes one that I installed
[07:55] <maradong> Hi, I am encountering a strange problem, and just can't find a suitable solution. I got a iMac 17'' (G4), and have just installed Ubuntu. Now even thought in the XF86Config-4 the right resolution (1440x900) is listed, the Gnome Screen Resolution Panel doesn't offer me to use that same resolution. I searched a bit around, and found only this site: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/06/msg00081.html but unfortunately, nobody answered the question
[07:55] <maradong> . Any hints what I could check for?
[07:55] <farruinn> Pugio I might try taking out the one you installed
[07:55] <Pugio> yup
[07:55] <Pugio> time to start from scratch
[07:55] <farruinn> Pugio: of course if nothing works you can install debian and upgrade to ubuntu =)
[07:56] <farruinn> but the only model that I've heard of that simpley *cannot* be booted are the new iMac G5's
[07:57] <farruinn> my college has a whole bunch for a lab but us nerds in the IT department are installing Ubuntu on just about anything we can get our hand on =)
[07:57] <paradoxmo> yeah farruinn, i had suggested that... /-:
[07:57] <farruinn> oh, sorry, I went out for some lunch so I missed your conversation
[07:58] <paradoxmo> np
[07:58] <paradoxmo> pugio, do you remember if it was sarge that worked?
[07:59] <paradoxmo> i should go out for some lunch too... think i'll do that now. thanks for the help folks
[08:00] <Gwildor> what is the absolute lightest of light WM?
[08:00] <Gwildor> i dont need any functionality at all......just something to load to launch ET from
[08:00] <paradoxmo> fluxbox, maybe? or even more so, twm
[08:00] <paradoxmo> but i don't recommend it
[08:00] <Gwildor> why?
[08:00] <paradoxmo> 'cuz it's old and unintuitive
[08:00] <maradong> Oh, stupid me. I just read the log of the XServer again and found this line:
 but the only model that I've heard of that simpley *cannot* be booted are the new iMac G5's
[08:01] <Gwildor> paradoxmo, can i launch a terminal from it?
[08:01] <maradong> sry :)
[08:01] <maradong> (II) NV(0): Not using mode "1440x900" (no mode of this name)
[08:01] <Gwildor> paradoxmo, cuz thats all i need
[08:01] <farruinn> Gwildor, you get a terminal by default in twm =)
[08:01] <maradong> Does that help anybody so that my problem could be resolved?
[08:01] <Gwildor> thnx
[08:01] <Gwildor> laters
[08:02] <daniels> maradong: wow, I've never heard of that resolution before
[08:02] <daniels> maradong: google for "1440x900 modeline" and see if that turns up anything useful, but yeah, i have no idea, sorry
[08:02] <Solatis> is that ubuntu monthly wallpaper thingie still active ? i read about it on the faq and such :)
[08:02] <stvn> daniels: isn't it a standard widescreen res?
[08:02] <maradong> daniels, I am searching as of now
[08:02] <paradoxmo> maradong, go into your log and look for where the EDID info is
[08:02] <maradong> stvn, no a normal widescreen would be 1440x1050
[08:02] <Solatis> (altough they don't appear in my 'desktop background preferences')
[08:03] <stvn> ah right
[08:03] <daniels> stvn: no, not at all
[08:03] <daniels> Solatis: absolutely
[08:03] <|QuaD|> daniels: do you know when these improved boot times (30 second boots) are going to make it to hoary?
[08:03] <Solatis> daniels: great to hear :)
[08:03] <paradoxmo> maradong: search for "EDID data" and see if the resolution you want is in the list
[08:03] <daniels> |QuaD|: hopefully next week
[08:04] <daniels> maradong: dude, you can't beat modelines out of edid
[08:04] <|QuaD|> daniels: oh, wow, early.... what do you expect the boot time to be (around)
[08:04] <stvn> cool ubuntu so transparantly handles multiple sounds now :)
[08:04] <daniels> (well, you can infer them, but you'd need to basically do a reverse gtf for that, and it's really out of place here)
[08:04] <daniels> |QuaD|: exactly what we're posting; everything we've done is absolutely applicable to hoary
[08:05] <Treenaks> daniels: yes, but WHEN can we, ordinary users, use this shiny new crack? :P
[08:05] <|QuaD|> daniels: ohh, ok... wasn't sure if you made some proof of concept changes that wouldn't work in a real deployment
[08:05] <Solatis> ah great, had to emerge ubuntu-calendar :)
[08:05] <|QuaD|> Solatis: whats ubuntu-calendar?
[08:05] <Solatis> |QuaD|: monthly wallpaper
[08:05] <maradong> paradoxmo, daniels: In the log file, a few lines under the first EDID information appears I can read: (--) NV(0): Panel size is 1440 x 900
[08:06] <|QuaD|> Solatis: so if i apt-get ubuntu-caendar, every month i will have a new backdrop?
[08:06] <Solatis> well, i don't know
[08:06] <Solatis> at least it will appear under 'desktop background preferences'
[08:06] <Solatis> and the old ones are also available
[08:07] <paradoxmo> hm maradong what's it say under Supported Additional Video Mode:?
[08:07] <daniels> Treenaks: next week!
[08:07] <|QuaD|> Solatis: neat
[08:07] <daniels> maradong: right
[08:07] <Treenaks> daniels: yay! :)
[08:07] <Solatis> |QuaD|: uhuh... including the controversial wallpapers... oohhh :)
[08:08] <paradoxmo> (i think daniels knows better what he's talking about, i'm mostly just curious)
[08:08] <maradong> there is no information about additional video modes
[08:08] <|QuaD|> Solatis: i just installed it... its art
[08:09] <|QuaD|> gtg
[08:09] <|QuaD|> bbl
[08:09] <Solatis> well, after using ubuntu for a while day i must say... yes, i like it :)
[08:09] <paradoxmo> daniels, maradong: any chance of getting that info out of a windows driver or some odd thing?
[08:10] <Solatis> *whole
[08:11] <Solatis> especially the whole eyecandy thing :)
[08:11] <Solatis> me loves eyecandy! :)
[08:11] <maradong> Isn't the list of the possible resoltions coming from Xrandr?
[08:11] <thotypous> hi
[08:11] <Solatis> hi :)
[08:12] <thotypous> i'm running from gnoppix ubuntu livecd
[08:12] <amish_geek> Why does the ubuntu installer show me my 2 hard drives, and want to set up a software raid, when I already have my 2 drives in a hardware raid 1, with a 40gb windows partition on it?
[08:12] <thotypous> it really doesn't have an installer?
[08:13] <paradoxmo> thotypous: there's a different cd to install it, iirc
[08:13] <Solatis> thotypous: well, that's the trick of a livecd
[08:13] <Solatis> the whole idea
[08:13] <thotypous> so i've to download other cd? =/
[08:13] <Solatis> well
[08:14] <Solatis> with the gnoppix livecd
[08:14] <Solatis> you don't really have to install anything!
[08:14] <Solatis> that's the whole great thing of a livecd
[08:14] <thotypous> gnoppix used to have an installer
[08:14] <Solatis> full linux functionality
[08:14] <Solatis> but you said you were using the gnoppix livecd?
[08:14] <thotypous> i'm using it now
[08:14] <thotypous> but i'd like to install it on my hd
[08:14] <amish_geek> does anyone know why ubuntu is ignoring my hardware raid1 setup, and is showing me both drives independently?
[08:15] <Solatis> well, the whole thing about livecd's is that there's not installation required, so you could even sneak up to your library and use gnoppix there
[08:15] <farruinn> thotypous: then you need to boot from the install cd
[08:15] <Solatis> thotypous: well, you need to download & burn the install cd then :)
[08:15] <maradong> paradoxmo, daniels: do you think I should change the default driver from nv to vesa, just to check whether I can get the resolution that way?
[08:15] <thotypous> farruinn, so livecd is only livecd?
[08:15] <farruinn> true
[08:15] <thotypous> not like knoppix and others..
[08:15] <farruinn> I've never used knoppix
[08:15] <Solatis> knoppix is a livecd
[08:16] <paradoxmo> is your resolution listed under Supported VESA video modes in the log?
[08:16] <Solatis> so gnoppix is like knoppix
[08:16] <Solatis> only using ubuntu and gnome rather than ?? and kde
[08:16] <thotypous> Solatis, but knoppix has an installer
[08:16] <paradoxmo> thotypous: the ubuntu live cd doesn't have an installer.
[08:16] <thotypous> ok
[08:16] <Solatis> well, installer - it offers you to allow it to use some hd space to store configuration items
[08:16] <thotypous> so i will download the install cd =)
[08:16] <paradoxmo> at least, i'm pretty sure it doesn't. can anyone confirm that?
[08:17] <thotypous> Solatis, it allows you to install it as a normal distro
[08:17] <Solatis> hmmm ok, forget what i said then - i'll stfu from here :)
[08:17] <Solatis> point is, you need the ubuntu install cd :)
[08:17] <maradong> paradoxmo, the string VESA doesn't appear in the log
[08:18] <derjunior> hi how can I change the language of the keyboard
[08:18] <paradoxmo> Solatis: knoppix has an installer that'll let you install it. i've had trouble with it though
[08:18] <paradoxmo> maradong, do you think you could email me the entire EDID portion of that log?
[08:18] <Solatis> derjunior: Compuer -> Desktop -> Keyboard Preferences -> Layouts ?
[08:19] <paradoxmo> i'm really curious, i can't guarantee i'll be of any help
[08:19] <thotypous> yeah the ubuntu install cd has the advantage it has portuguese language support =)
[08:19] <Solatis> *Desktop Preferences i mean
[08:22] <bigtony> can someone tell me why i when i type import -window root my_screenshot.jpg  i get import not found. is there a different command to use to make screenshots in a shell?
[08:23] <paradoxmo> bigtony, iirc that command is in imagemagick. sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[08:23] <bigtony> ok thanks
[08:26] <XhyldazhK> Hi all
[08:26] <restrex> hi :)
[08:26] <XhyldazhK> I've installed Apache and PHP for Apache but I can't access PHP pages on my home public html dir :(
[08:27] <XhyldazhK> when I try to do so, the browser tries to download the file instead
[08:27] <Pugio> Ok
[08:27] <Pugio> success
[08:27] <Pugio> phew
[08:27] <paradoxmo> what happened?
[08:27] <Pugio> it was, entirely my fault, I fell kind of dumb now - there was some weird PCI card that I didn't even need messing everything up
[08:27] <Pugio> both vid cards are in there tho
[08:28] <farruinn> heh, what was the other one?
[08:28] <paradoxmo> ah, so it was some kind of serial driver deal?
[08:28] <farruinn> that was causing problems?
[08:28] <Pugio> and I anticipate a few problems getting those to work perfectly, but that shouldn't be too much of a deal
[08:28] <Pugio> hang on, let me check
[08:28] <farruinn> haha, you really didn't use it
[08:29] <Pugio> nope
[08:29] <Pugio> forgot it was even there
[08:29] <Asako> does anybody know how to fix k3b in Warty?
[08:29] <Pugio> which, as I said, was my fault
[08:29] <farruinn> XhyldazhK: I've never attempted that, but I imagine you have to enable php with apache.  I don't now if this is done simply by downloading php for apache or not.
[08:29] <Asako> the default kernel doesn't work with my burner
[08:30] <squeegy> are there any better options for installing mplayer other than from source?  (i read the article in the forums) i tried the apt repository someone lists there but it won't install.
[08:30] <Gwildor> squeegy, why wont it install?
[08:31] <squeegy> well mplayer-custom says illegal instruction
[08:31] <squeegy> and mplayer-k6 complains about dependencies
[08:31] <Gwildor> from synaptic.....or apt?
[08:31] <squeegy> apt
[08:32] <Gwildor> try some other mplayers from synaptic
[08:32] <Gwildor> did you enable universe and multiverse.....depends may be in there?
[08:32] <squeegy> yes
[08:32] <iz> squeegy, have you read this: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html
[08:32] <Pugio> WoW! I can't even figure out what this is
[08:32] <thotypous> 20-Oct-2004
[08:32] <thotypous> this is the last release?
[08:32] <Pugio> it says it's a card from InnoSys - model PDS4
[08:33] <Pugio> it's got two werid round seriel type ports on the frint
[08:33] <Pugio> the only thing I can find at InnoSys has to do with airline connections
[08:33] <Pugio> so, in short, this card is a completely useless peice of junk
[08:33] <Pugio> and I should have taken it out anyway on principle
[08:33] <squeegy> iz: i don't see how that isgoing to help me.
[08:34] <Asako> anybody know how to make k3b work?
[08:34] <iz> squeegy, your right, this is for mozilla
[08:35] <squeegy> iz: indeed i've searched quite a bit
[08:35] <Treenaks> Asako: run it as ""gksudo k3b"
[08:35] <Pugio> anyway, thanks for the help guys
[08:35] <Pugio> lets see how this install progresses
[08:35] <squeegy> i'm rather disappointed so far.  i don't see why someone hasn't put up a apt repo with mplayer that actually works.
[08:35] <Treenaks> Asako: and point it to /dev/hdc or whatever your drive is, not some weird SCSI Id number
[08:35] <paradoxmo> happy ubuntuing pugio
[08:35] <Pugio> Thanks!
[08:36] <Asako> gksudo?
[08:36] <Hikaru79> Gesundheit
[08:36] <Asako> guess I'll have to reboot into 2.6.8 then
[08:38] <Asako> now it freezes at scanning for cd devices
[08:39] <squeegy> so does anyone know of a repo with mplayer that works, or am i going to have to install from source?
[08:40] <Tomcat_> squeegy: How about xine? :>
[08:40] <squeegy> Tomcat_: i prefer mplayer honestly
[08:40] <Tomcat_> k :o
[08:41] <squeegy> i'm just frusturated, i moved to ubuntu to get away from compiling from source
[08:41] <defunkt> how does one go about installing fonts in ubuntu?  i have already downloaded them from abstract fonts.com
[08:41] <thotypous> i prefer xine to mplayer
[08:42] <squeegy> thotypous: awesome
[08:42] <Asako> heh, not k3b crashes
[08:43] <thotypous> xine is more stable
[08:43] <Asako> er, now
[08:43] <xukun> I never had a success for compiling my own kernel, I always produce an unbootable kernel, what the hell is wrong with me (:'
[08:43] <Asako> xine is also slower and crappier
[08:43] <thotypous> and sometimes it wastes less cpu cicles
[08:43] <squeegy> thotypous: i somehow could care less / hardly believe you
[08:43] <Asako> I hate the xine interface
[08:43] <thotypous> in my computer xine is much more fast than mplayer
[08:43] <thotypous> faster*
[08:44] <mjr> Asako, yeah, that's why it's nice to have totem-xine
[08:44] <asubedi> is there any special utility to install fonts?
[08:44] <Quest-Master> http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#gxine
[08:44] <Quest-Master> Does anyone know where those three files for GXine are located?
[08:44] <mjr> asubedi, user-spesific fonts can be installed from the font preferences
[08:44] <farruinn> defunkt, generally if you should install stuff via apt if you can.  apt-cache search ttf will give you a list of tons of fonts
[08:44] <thotypous> the faster video player i've found is vlc
[08:44] <farruinn> but go to fonts:/// in nautilus and you should be able to drag and drop
[08:45] <mjr> (ie. by accessing the fonts folder, fonts:///, and dragging stuff in)
[08:45] <defunkt> ok, ty farruinn
[08:45] <farruinn> may have to gksudo nautilus --no-desktop
[08:45] <farruinn> not sure
[08:45] <asubedi> mjr: thanks!
[08:45] <MicroDan> what's the default root password in ubuntu?
[08:45] <Asako> I like mplayer without the gui
[08:45] <mjr> MicroDan, there is none
[08:46] <farruinn> ubhuti: rootsudo
[08:46] <ubhuti> By default root is disabled in Ubuntu.  Instead use sudo.  If you haven't already, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo.
[08:46] <GotD0t> where did the bot come from?
[08:46] <Gwildor> what happened to bonobo bot?
[08:47] <farruinn> I never knew of bonobo bot, but I incarnated ubhuti because we get so many people with the same questions in here
[08:47] <Gwildor> dats what bonobo did
[08:47] <farruinn> I thought it might be useful
[08:47] <Gwildor> he was only around about a week though
[08:47] <Gwildor> farruinn, it is :)
[08:48] <farruinn> he's not very smart right now, but feel free to teach him some stuff if you think it'd be useful
[08:48] <MicroDan> what password do I type in to sudo?
[08:48] <defunkt> your root pass
[08:48] <farruinn> your user pass
[08:48] <Gwildor> user pass
[08:48] <GotD0t> MicroDan: your password for the user your created
[08:48] <tritium> acroread sure looks awful with that default white background
[08:48] <GotD0t> farruinn: what would be more useful would be an autonomous bot
[08:48] <Einzelganger> will there be a supported/main rss-reader in hoary, or do you focus on firefox ?
[08:48] <MicroDan> how is that secure at all?
[08:48] <farruinn> GotD0t: autonomous?
[08:48] <GotD0t> MicroDan: you can add other users and not let them have sudo access
[08:49] <farruinn> ubhuti: root
[08:49] <ubhuti> If you really must have a root user, run sudo passwd root.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[08:49] <tritium> Isn't the acroread .deb package the same one used by debian?
[08:49] <tritium> (the background is gray in Debian)
[08:49] <GotD0t> farruinn: like pick up on questions and answer them, instead of you telling it something
[08:50] <farruinn> GotD0t: ok, that's what I thought you meant.  It's supposed to do that, but I haven't found it to yet
[08:50] <GotD0t> farruinn: hmm
[08:50] <GotD0t> root
[08:51] <tritium> I guess I could just create a .Xresources file, and specify Acroread.background.
[08:51] <GotD0t> hmm, i see what you mean farr
[08:51] <GotD0t> err, farruinn
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> Einzelganger: straw Blam! liferea
[08:51] <tritium> But I didn't have to do that in Debian.
[08:51] <tritium> Anyone know the difference?
[08:52] <jeffreyb> Can anyony here tell me if Lin4Win 5 will run on Warty?
[08:52] <Einzelganger> Tsjoklat, didn't know about blam!, but is there any indication that any of them will be "promoted" from multi/uni-verse to main in hoary ?
[08:53] <Quest-Master> What package do I need to get to load MPlayer with a GUI?
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> Einzelganger no, no idea.. but straw is gnomebased (not that fab), liferea is gtk and Blam! is mono based
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> but no, have no clue if or which they will plug
[08:53] <Quest-Master> Anyone? :x
[08:53] <Einzelganger> Quest-Master, all but mplayer-nogui, just start gmplayer
[08:55] <Quest-Master> Ok guys.
[08:56] <Quest-Master> Having a problem.
[08:56] <mirak> hi
[08:56] <Quest-Master> I'm opening up an AVI in Mplayer
[08:56] <Quest-Master> And it works perfectly
[08:56] <mirak> I have a problem with accents in openoffice
[08:56] <Quest-Master> The sound and video are coming out just fine
[08:56] <Quest-Master> However
[08:56] <mirak> anyone know how to use the good charsets ?
[08:56] <Quest-Master> An error box pops up every second then exits out, and then another one comes up
[08:56] <Quest-Master> And it's an endless stream of popups returning this error
[08:57] <Quest-Master> alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory
[08:57] <Quest-Master> However, gxine does not return this error
[08:59] <Solatis> hey there... anyone knows where i can configure gnome to 'raster' my windows to the outer borders ? (i hope you guys understand what i mean ;))
[08:59] <Rotund> you mean to not have borders?
[09:00] <Rotund> the like 5 pixel borders?
[09:00] <Rotund> it's a window-manager theme thing
[09:01] <jdub> Solatis: hold shift while moving windows
[09:02] <mjr> jdub, whoa, I didn't know about that :)
[09:03] <Solatis> jdub: thank you, thank you very much ;)
[09:03] <defunkt> is there a way to format a drive in ubuntu to ntfs?
[09:03] <RuffianSoldier> hey daniels
[09:03] <mjr> defunkt, in the ntfstools package
[09:03] <mjr> (universe)
[09:04] <Asako> ok, k3b just refuses to work
[09:04] <Asako> it always says it can't find a burner
[09:05] <farruinn> linux doesn't support full r/w to ntfs does it?
[09:05] <Ribs> No
[09:05] <Ribs> It can write to files if the file exists, and has the same size at beginning and end of the write
[09:05] <Ribs> Which is pretty pointless, imo.
[09:05] <RuffianSoldier> FreeBSD?
[09:05] <tritium> How do I redefine XtDefaultBackground (default Acroread:background in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults)
[09:06] <defunkt> hey ribs can you help me out in a pm?
[09:06] <Asako> if I boot into 2.6.7 then cdrecord doesn't work
[09:06] <tritium> Asako, that's a known bug with the kernel.
[09:06] <Quest-Master> How can I upgrade my kernel to i686?
[09:06] <Asako> I know
[09:07] <Asako> how do I upgrade the kernel package?
[09:07] <lizdeika> ubuntu-devs: are you planning to include reiser4 in near/far future in daily hoary iso builds ?
[09:07] <sladen> Asako: apt-get install linux-image
[09:07] <sladen> Quest-Master: apt-get install linux-image
[09:07] <Asako> it's already installed
[09:07] <Asako> the package in warty has the bug
[09:08] <Quest-Master> I thought it was something else sladen
[09:08] <sladen> Asako: apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image
[09:08] <tritium> Asako, how did you get kernel version 2.6.7?  When I installed Warty, 2.6.8 was the default.
[09:08] <Ribs> defunkt: Ask in the channel, that's what it's here fore.
[09:08] <Ribs> -e
[09:08] <Asako> I used apt-get
[09:08] <defunkt> well
[09:08] <defunkt> i am going to go back to windows
[09:08] <restrex> ?
[09:08] <defunkt> too much stuff that won't work in linux
[09:08] <restrex> !
[09:08] <tritium> I didn't know there was a 2.6.7 kernel package for ubuntu
[09:09] <Asako> it's in universe
[09:09] <tritium> So you downgraded from 2.6.8?
[09:09] <sladen> defunkt: if you tell us what you're finding isn't working, we'd love to try and fix/help you
[09:09] <Asako> yes, I downgraded
[09:09] <defunkt> i don' t think you can
[09:09] <tritium> Why?
[09:09] <Asako> in order to make the burner work
[09:09] <tritium> The bug is in 2.6.7, not 2.6.8
[09:09] <defunkt> my best friend is a linux god and can't get it working
[09:09] <Asako> it's in .8 as well
[09:10] <Asako> the page I found said roll back to 2.6.7
[09:10] <sladen> Asako: you probably have a newer-version (from when you upgraded to Hoary) than is in warty.  You can select the exact version with  =1.2.3.4  when you do apt-get install
[09:10] <tritium> Does Xorg handly Xresources the same way?
[09:10] <tritium> handle, that is
[09:10] <Asako> I haven't upgraded to hoary
[09:10] <sladen> defunkt: you still haven't mentioned what you think the problem is...
[09:10] <defunkt> well
[09:10] <sladen> Asako: I thought you said you downgraded.  What did you downgrade from, and to?
[09:11] <lizdeika> Asako, gnome burner does not work ?
[09:11] <Asako> all I did was install kernel-image-2.6.7
[09:11] <defunkt> 1.)  can't get sound working in quake3.  asked like 30 times and no one has been able to help.  sounds lame, but my clan finished #2 at quakecon this past year and i am really into it.
[09:11] <Asako> since 2.6.8 isn't working right
[09:11] <defunkt> 2.)  some of the tools i use for web design just won't work well in linux
[09:11] <Quest-Master> I'm having a lot of problems too defunkt
[09:11] <farruinn> defunkt: what do you use for web design?
[09:11] <defunkt> if you guys can help get my sound and those tools working, it would be great
[09:11] <Quest-Master> I've been going back to Windows lately.. but I'm not giving up just yet
[09:12] <tritium> This is strange.  Xorg won't work with my .Xresources file
[09:12] <defunkt> well photoshop, flash, dreamweaver, etc.
[09:12] <sladen> Asako: I think 2.6.8 was found to have the odd issue---it came from upsteam (kernel.org and had issues there)
[09:12] <Quest-Master> I hope I can get all of these problems fixed before Windows takes over me again
[09:12] <Asako> yes
[09:12] <Asako> that's why I installed 2.6.7
[09:12] <defunkt> refuse to use gimp
[09:12] <Quest-Master> Same here.
[09:12] <sladen> defunkt: 1st.  Can you get any other program to play sound?
[09:12] <Quest-Master> I tried to open Photoshop with CrossOver
[09:12] <Asako> but when I boot 2.6.7 cdrecord can't detect my burner
[09:12] <defunkt> photoshop even on the new cxoffice is buggy as hell
[09:12] <defunkt> yes
[09:12] <defunkt> it's just q3
[09:12] <Quest-Master> But it won't accept my serial number no matter what
[09:13] <tritium> Xorg apparently doesn't know color names
[09:13] <Asako> maybe I'll just go back to 2.4 kernel
[09:13] <tritium> I can't specify background colors in .Xresources with Xord
[09:13] <Quest-Master> Gah, so many problems
[09:13] <farruinn> defunkt: have you tried killing esd before playing the game?
[09:13] <linux_mafia> Quest-Master, i get that too, sound works, but serial, nah
[09:13] <Asako> it's stable, and it works
[09:13] <sladen> Quest-Master: _install_ Photoshop under Windows and try to run it under Wine/CrossOver and you may have more luck
[09:13] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[09:13] <Quest-Master> sladen: It didn't work
[09:13] <sladen> Quest-Master: gimp should open your Photoshop psp files
[09:13] <usual> is there a bug in hoary with openoffice and gtk themes?
[09:13] <Quest-Master> I know, but I just can't work with GIMP.
[09:14] <defunkt> farruinn: what do you mean
[09:14] <sladen> Quest-Master: can you describe /what/ didn't work in more detail?
[09:14] <Quest-Master> I've used Photoshop for years now
[09:14] <Asako> do I have to tell grub that hdc=ide-scsi ?
[09:14] <farruinn> go to a terminal and type killall esd
[09:14] <paradoxmo> asako, did you upgrade from debian or straight install?
[09:14] <Asako> straight install
[09:14] <Quest-Master> sladen: I try to run the already installed Photoshop in CXOffice
[09:14] <Quest-Master> sladen: And this is the error I get
[09:14] <sladen> Quest-Master: have you tried using  GIMP 2.0  the way it works is very different from 1.2
[09:14] <Quest-Master> I have
[09:14] <usual> Asako, you don't need thatwith a 2.6 kernel
[09:14] <farruinn> defunkt: that's the enlightened sound daemon, I've found it to interfere with some game audio
[09:14] <UrkeMMI> I build gimp 2.0.6 .deb's from source and now I wish to add this packages to my cache so I can upgrade gimp trough synaptic
[09:15] <UrkeMMI> how to do that?
[09:15] <defunkt> how would i go about killing it and when i leave the game will it work?
[09:15] <Asako> kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686 is what I installed
[09:15] <Asako> but then scsi stuff doesn't work
[09:15] <lizdeika> usual, just install openoffice.org-gtk-gnome
[09:15] <sladen> defunkt: what errors does Quake 3 give when you load it up?  Does it mention sound.
[09:15] <usual> k
[09:15] <farruinn> defunkt: at the terminal type killall esd
[09:15] <paradoxmo> asako, what do you mean scsi stuff doesn't work
[09:15] <sladen> defunkt: try running:   esddsp q3demo
[09:15] <farruinn> then when you are done with the game go to a terminal and type esd &
[09:15] <Asako> there's no /dev/sg0, or /dev/sr0
[09:15] <paradoxmo> do you have scsi, or just an atapi burner?
[09:15] <usual> Package openoffice.org-gtk-gnome is not available,
[09:15] <Asako> atapi burner
[09:15] <defunkt> ok frruinn i'll give it a shot
[09:15] <paradoxmo> you don't need scsi with 2.6
[09:16] <tritium> damn, DarkGray is clearly defined in /etc/X11/rgb.txt
[09:16] <paradoxmo> you need to specify the burner using the device name, instead
[09:16] <paradoxmo> like /dev/hdc
[09:16] <Asako> hmm
[09:16] <Asako> well, let me try rebooting again
[09:16] <UrkeMMI> I think that k3b not worh with 2.6.8+ kernels
[09:16] <tritium> why the heck can't I use that to specify background colors in .Xresources?
[09:16] <farruinn> UrkeMMI: why did you need to build the gimp 2.0.6?
[09:16] <defunkt> farruinn: nothing
[09:16] <lizdeika> usual, its in universe
[09:16] <usual> k
[09:16] <farruinn> try what sladen suggested
[09:16] <defunkt> sladen: command not found
[09:16] <UrkeMMI> I have source code of 2.0.5 and patch for 2.0.6
[09:17] <UrkeMMI> and on Ubuntu I get 2.0.2
[09:17] <UrkeMMI> so I wish upgrade
[09:17] <paradoxmo> urkemmi, you can install the debs directly, dpkg -i *.deb
[09:17] <Asako> brb
[09:17] <UrkeMMI> alos, I need Sylpjheed Claws Gtk2 cvs upgrades
[09:17] <defunkt> sladen: it mentions no errors
[09:17] <defunkt> about sound
[09:18] <sladen> defunkt: sudo apt-get install esound-clients
[09:18] <UrkeMMI> paradoxmo: and old 2.0.2 gimp will be uninstaled and instaled 2.0.6 automaticaly?
[09:18] <gangalino> how do you configure the soundcard, my system beeps but it says there's no soundcard (even though it shows up in the system configuration/device mgr. as a NeoMagic 2360 [MagicMedia 256ZX audio] 
[09:18] <paradoxmo> urkemmi: yes
[09:18] <gangalino> I've already tried the noacpi options
[09:18] <UrkeMMI> thanx
[09:18] <UrkeMMI> I'll try now
[09:18] <sladen> defunkt: befor that can you do a quick  sudo ps aux | grep [e] sd  and check that the problem is ESD holding the sound device open
[09:18] <defunkt> sladen: still nothing
[09:19] <Quest-Master> sladen: Could not complete your reques because of missing or invalid personalization information.
[09:19] <paradoxmo> gangalino: did you check applications->multimedia->volume control and see that things aren't muted?
[09:19] <Quest-Master> That's the error I get.
[09:19] <gangalino> yes
[09:19] <defunkt> root      1199  0.0  0.0  1964  608 ?        Ss   15:24   0:00 /usr/bin/esd -ter minate -nobeeps -as 2 -spawnfd 18
[09:19] <defunkt> i am thinking it just doesn't have support for my card
[09:19] <gangalino> paradox: Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found
[09:20] <sladen> Quest-Master: okay, this is a CrossOver <-> Photoshop specific issue---can you follow it up there as they'll be more familiar with the topic (I own neither of those pieces of proprietary software)
[09:20] <paradoxmo> gangalino: was it a straight ubuntu install?
[09:20] <paradoxmo> (warty?)
[09:20] <Quest-Master> sladen: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=32638#post32638 <-- also having this HORRIBLE annoying problem
[09:20] <gangalino> warty yes
[09:20] <sladen> defunkt: esd is a program that shares the 1 sound card between the many programs that want to use the sound card at once
[09:21] <defunkt> ok
[09:21] <sladen> defunkt: most GNOME applications know how to talk to esd directly
[09:21] <gangalino> straight install? I have no cd-rom or floppy, so I had to install on another machine, then put the HD into my Dell Latitude CSx500
[09:21] <paradoxmo> gangalino, can you run sudo lspci at a terminal and tell us the line for your card?
[09:21] <paradoxmo> gangalino: ah, did the other machine not have a sound card?
[09:22] <defunkt> sladen: this is an onboard nvmax card
[09:22] <defunkt> that is why i am thinking maybe they don't know it
[09:22] <defunkt> err not nvmax hold on
[09:22] <sladen> defunkt: Quake3 doesn't.  Either you need to give it full control of the sound card by stopping esd (killall esd), or you need to teach Quake3 to use ESD by running it with  esddsp
[09:22] <defunkt> hrm
[09:22] <defunkt> ok well
[09:23] <UrkeMMI> paradoxmo: Now I have upgraded gimp to 2.0.6. Great! thanx for help
[09:23] <sladen> defunkt: esddsp  can be found in  esound-clients  which you can install with 'sudo apt-get install esound-clients'
[09:23] <Quest-Master> For web designers, that thread that points out the problem is a huge time-waster (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=32638#post32638)
[09:23] <Asako> yay, now it detects the writer
[09:23] <paradoxmo> asako: great! good luck.
[09:24] <paradoxmo> UrkeMMI: great!
[09:25] <UrkeMMI> and now extra question :)
[09:25] <UrkeMMI> how to make my local serever for deb's
[09:26] <UrkeMMI> and how to add local directory (/srv for example) to packages list
[09:26] <UrkeMMI> TIA
[09:26] <RuffianSoldier> How many people have screwed there whole system with a Hoary upgrade?
[09:27] <Asako> now to see if it will actually burn
[09:27] <farruinn> UrkeMMI: there's a great howto on the debian docs site, I'll see if I can find it
[09:27] <farruinn> I used it not that long ago
[09:27] <Quest-Master> My system got screwed without a Hoary Upgrade
[09:27] <Quest-Master> :)
[09:27] <UrkeMMI> give me only some keyword and I'll find it
[09:27] <UrkeMMI> :)
[09:29] <farruinn> UrkeMMI: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html
[09:29] <RuffianSoldier> Quest-Master - werent you in #beatrix (Im the op)?  Anyway i upgraded to hoary with 0 problems :-D
[09:29] <UrkeMMI> farruinn: Thanks alot
[09:29] <UrkeMMI> or a lot :)
[09:29] <farruinn> np
[09:30] <mrsouza> alguem do brasil?
[09:31] <Quest-Master> RuffianSoldier: I was
[09:31] <Quest-Master> :(
[09:31] <paradoxmo> Quest-Master: what problems are you having?
[09:32] <RuffianSoldier> Quest-Master - ??  Come back lol
[09:32] <gangalino> parado0000:01:00.1 Multimedia audio controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2360 [MagicMedia 256ZX Audio] xmo: sorry, was busy for a minute. lspci reports:
[09:32] <gangalino> the other machine had a soundcard
[09:33] <paradoxmo> gangalino: can you check here: http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ to see if your card is listed?
[09:34] <Asako> now it gets stuck sending the toc file
[09:35] <paradoxmo> asako, did you run k3bsetup2 and configure all the permissions? (use group plugdev)
[09:35] <gangalino> I wish I caught Asako's fix, my usb writer doesn't work either. It shows up somewhat in dmesg and /log/messages, but still doesn't mount
[09:35] <Quest-Master> paradoxmo: lots of problems.
[09:35] <Asako> install an older kernel
[09:35] <Asako> that's all I did
[09:35] <gangalino> I'll check that URL
[09:35] <Quest-Master> paradoxmo: Let me link you to some of the threads where my problems in Ubuntu can be seen and read about
[09:36] <Quest-Master> paradoxmo: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=32638#post32638
[09:36] <Q-FUNK> hey, does anyone know of a way to make nautilus-cd-writer become the "application" to open *.iso files?
[09:36] <Asako> k3bsetup2 doesn't exist
[09:36] <KidBluz> Hello
[09:36] <Quest-Master> And, finally: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7805, paradoxmo
[09:37] <Muskrat> ok im trying to resize this linux partition, theres a win part. that i resized to free up 5 gb that i wanna give to the linux part. im using the QTParted program and so now the 5 gb is free space but it wont let me resize the linux partition, what do i needa do?
[09:37] <KidBluz> Anyone mind a couple of questions from a prospective Ubuntu user?
[09:37] <paradoxmo> asako, from k3b, go to Settings->k3bsetup. copy down the command, and instead of entering your password at that dialog, go to a prompt and type "gksudo " and then the command
[09:37] <paradoxmo> kidbluz, nope
[09:38] <Asako> why all this hassle just to burn cds?
[09:38] <paradoxmo> gangalino: with your usb cdrom, does it appear when you plug it in in "disks"?
[09:38] <TGCenter10> I got my fresh install yesterday of ubuntu.  I was wondering how to mount my windows partition.  I attempted sudo from a terminal and ran the script "mount /dev/hda1" this did not enable the partition.  Is there a way to automatically enable the device (via gui) at system startup?
[09:38] <KidBluz> Thanks, paradoxmo.  I'm currently a Mandrake user and have been a bit put-off with general instability.  How stable in general is Ubuntu?
[09:38] <Asako> now k3b won't run
[09:39] <krusty> hi @all!
[09:39] <paradoxmo> kidbluz: very, if you stick with warty, and there are a small number of known problems that people can help you with
[09:39] <paradoxmo> much better than mandrake in my experience
[09:39] <KidBluz> Why Ubuntu over Debian proper?
[09:40] <paradoxmo> TGcenter: what kind of windows partition is it, a win2k/xp ntfs, or a winme/98 partition?
[09:40] <TGCenter10> paradoxmo: xp
[09:40] <paradoxmo> tgcenter, i'm not aware of a way to do it using the gui, but you can add a line for it in /etc/fstab: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[09:41] <paradoxmo> for the system type use ntfs, it's readonly, no write support
[09:41] <paradoxmo> KidBluz: because debian's software advances slowly
[09:41] <Asako>  not in testing
[09:41] <paradoxmo> ubuntu concentrates on doing a few more mainstream architectures well
[09:42] <Asako> to me there's no difference
[09:42] <TGCenter10> paradoxmo: do I just add the line /dev/hda1 or do I have to mount /dev/hda1
[09:42] <paradoxmo> and things like automatic mounting of usb disks, etc, that's not default in debian yet
[09:42] <paradoxmo> TGCenter10: no, just /dev/hda1
[09:42] <RuffianSoldier> WHo here has played GNOME Robots?
[09:42] <Asako> ok, screw this
[09:42] <KidBluz> paradoxmo: I see.  How about installing new software?  Other than compiling, is something is packaged for Debian can it generally be installed in Ubuntu?
[09:42] <Asako> I'll just install 2.4.26
[09:43] <paradoxmo> brb all.
[09:43] <TGCenter10> paradoxmo: thanks for the help!
[09:43] <KidBluz> brb
[09:43] <gangalino> strange, this just popped up: Sound server informational message:
[09:43] <gangalino> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[09:43] <gangalino> device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory)
[09:43] <gangalino> The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[09:43] <gangalino> says "Informational ARTs messages
[09:44] <Asako> I hate linux sometimes
[09:44] <Quest-Master> lol
[09:44] <calc> Asako: type sudo rm -rf /  that will fix linux for you
[09:45] <Q-FUNK> what was the device order, again, for ide-scsi?
[09:46] <Lemru> I have an amd athlon, which version do I get?
[09:47] <paradoxmo> KidBluz: you here?
[09:47] <farruinn> Lemru, I think that's i86, can anyone confirm this?
[09:47] <farruinn> x86*
[09:47] <paradoxmo> lemru: not an athlon 64 right? an athlon xp or athlon nothing?
[09:47] <zenpod> which what, ISO?
[09:47] <zenpod> or which kernel
[09:47] <gangalino> paradoxmo: it doesn't appear, but there's already a CD-rom there (even though there's none in my system)
[09:48] <zenpod> for any Athlon but Athlon 64, it's i386
[09:48] <zenpod> you'd want a K7 kernel once you've installed
[09:48] <paradoxmo> Q-FUNK: what do you mean device order
[09:49] <paradoxmo> gangalino: you mean the cdrom doesn't appear?
[09:49] <Q-FUNK> what is the SCSI ID of the IDE drives, when seeen thru the ide_scsi driver?
[09:49] <paradoxmo> Q-FUNK: as far as i know, you can just use the device name, like /dev/scdN
[09:49] <paradoxmo> what program are you trying to use?
[09:49] <gangalino> paradoxmo: it does not appear
[09:49] <Q-FUNK> yes, that's what I'm asking, under which device name they appear?
[09:50] <gangalino> thanks for that ALSA link, btw
[09:50] <paradoxmo> woohoo netsplit.
[09:50] <Quest-Master> Has anyone been able to play MIDIs at all in Ubuntu?
[09:50] <paradoxmo> Quest-Master: i used to use timidity, you can compile it
[09:50] <paradoxmo> i don't think it's in ubuntu or debian proper anymore
[09:50] <Quest-Master> I can't play MIDIs at all
[09:51] <paradoxmo> google for timidity
[09:51] <paradoxmo> gangalino: so is there no alsa support for your card?
[09:51] <Quest-Master> paradoxmo: Were you able to find any solution for the many threads I posted here?
[09:51] <paradoxmo> gangalino: can you check what your /etc/fstab says about your cdrom?
[09:52] <farruinn> Quest-Master: you can get timidity from warty I believe, but you'll have to get timidity-patches from debian stable - that's the only place I know where they are.  You can just download the .deb and dpkg -i *.deb though
[09:52] <Gunmanic> Can anybody help me with a small problem with ubuntu?
[09:53] <Gunmanic> I just got it, and It was working fine, until I switched Video cards...
[09:53] <farruinn> Gunmanic: go ahead and ask and we'll let you know =)
[09:53] <RESET> why in synaptic i cant view the bttv?
[09:53] <Gunmanic> then the X server couldn't start up in graphics mode..
[09:53] <paradoxmo> Quest-Master: can you tell me how you get to the ftp server through nautilus?
[09:53] <Gunmanic> It is a rather new card, ATI Radeon 9250
[09:53] <RESET> root@mansardo:~ # rmmod bttv
[09:53] <RESET> ERROR: Module bttv is in use by bt878
[09:53] <zenpod> ubhuti, binarydrivershowto
[09:53] <ubhuti> zenpod: No idea
[09:53] <zenpod> damnit
[09:53] <usual> I plugged in a digital camera, usb...and it auto poped up asking me if I would like to import photos detected, then a nice little gui shoed my pic's and let me download them...so smooth
[09:54] <Gunmanic> I previously had ATI Radeon 9000 Pro and It worked fine
[09:54] <zenpod> ubhuti, ati
[09:54] <ubhuti> zenpod: Parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:54] <RESET> how can i remove it?
[09:54] <paradoxmo> ubhuti: binarydrivers
[09:54] <ubhuti> Bugger all, I dunno, paradoxmo
[09:54] <zenpod> bah
[09:54] <Quest-Master> paradoxmo: Just do it like this
[09:54] <RuffianSoldier> I am glad I have Ubuntu up and running again
[09:54] <gangalino> paradoxmo: ALSA site says "[X?]  Support undetermined."
[09:54] <Quest-Master> ftp://username@ftp.servername.net
[09:54] <Quest-Master> In the address bar
[09:54] <Quest-Master> It'll ask for a passwrod
[09:54] <Quest-Master> *password
[09:54] <Quest-Master> And so on.
[09:55] <Gunmanic> Anyone? I tried reinstalling but that changed nothing, I have Win2k installed on the same hdd just another partition
[09:55] <paradoxmo> okay. try this. go to computer->network
[09:55] <paradoxmo> file->connect to server
[09:55] <zenpod> ubhuti, ATI is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:55] <ubhuti> okay, zenpod
[09:55] <zenpod> ubhuti, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:55] <ubhuti> zenpod: okay
[09:55] <RESET> how can i remove it?
[09:55] <Quest-Master> ok
[09:55] <Gunmanic> ok I'll try that Zen, thx :)
[09:55] <paradoxmo> ubhuti, binarydrivers is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:55] <ubhuti> okay, paradoxmo
[09:55] <zenpod> Gunmanic, np.
[09:56] <RESET> how can i remove it?
[09:56] <RESET> bttv
[09:56] <paradoxmo> Quest-Master: i think it should have something called ftp with login?
[09:56] <Quest-Master> Tried it
[09:56] <RESET> :\
[09:56] <Quest-Master> paradoxmo: Still opens everything in read-only
[09:56] <zenpod> RESET, how can you remove bttv?
[09:57] <gangalino> paradoxmo: check flood for my /etc/fstab
[09:57] <RESET> i want know
[09:57] <RuffianSoldier> I know - dont hate me - I LOVE GNOME ALOT! - but heres my question: How can I get KDE 3.3.1 in Ubuntu?
[09:57] <gangalino> mind you, the device isn't plugged in right now
[09:57] <zenpod> RESET, did you install it with a .deb package, or in Synpatic?
[09:57] <RESET> for reinstall it
[09:57] <zenpod> RuffianSoldier, KDE is in Synaptic
[09:57] <gangalino> I do however have saved dmesgs
[09:57] <RuffianSoldier> zenpod - 3.3.1?
[09:57] <zenpod> RuffianSoldier, I don't know which version.
[09:57] <paradoxmo> quest-master: will try on this machine and see if i get the same problem.
[09:57] <RESET> when i've installed ubuntu
[09:57] <Quest-Master> ok
[09:57] <RESET> from install cd
[09:58] <paradoxmo> gangalino: there's no line in /etc/fstab about a cdrom?
[09:58] <zenpod> RESET, you *can* type more than three words on a line, it's okay.
[09:58] <AFX> is this linux for africans?
[09:58] <AFX> it sounds african
[09:58] <zenpod> AFX, it's linux for everyone.
[09:58] <RESET> lol
[09:58] <Quest-Master> XD
[09:59] <GotD0t> AFX: its linux for humanity
[09:59] <gfg> haha... linux for africans
[09:59] <farruinn> ubhuti: ubuntu
[09:59] <ubhuti> I heard ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning "humanity to others", also a GNU/Linux operating system based on Debian unstable
[09:59] <gangalino> Africans for humanity ;)
[09:59] <GotD0t> haha
[09:59] <GotD0t> ubhuti: ubhuti
[09:59] <ubhuti> GotD0t: Parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:59] <Asako> man, does anything work?
[09:59] <AFX> africans for sale
[09:59] <paradoxmo> Quest-Master: i don't. it works for me.
[09:59] <RESET> is there a way for uninstall bttv mod?
[09:59] <AFX> kidding
[09:59] <zenpod> hmm...
[09:59] <Quest-Master> It seems like my Ubuntu is infected by a virus. XD
[09:59] <paradoxmo> Quest-Master: do you know what kind of FTP server it is?
[09:59] <Quest-Master> Even though that's impossible.
[09:59] <gangalino> paradoxmo: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[10:00] <GotD0t> farruinn: it should be able to self recognize
[10:00] <Quest-Master> paradoxmo: Nope. It worked fine a few days ago and still works fine in Windows.
[10:00] <Asako> command kcmshell k3bsetup2 not found
[10:00] <RESET> whereis bttv
[10:00] <RESET> in ubuntu?
[10:00] <RESET> /usr/...
[10:00] <RESET> ?
[10:00] <paradoxmo> Quest-Master: wow. a few days ago. did you upgrade anything?
[10:00] <zenpod> RESET, did you look in synaptic?
[10:00] <Quest-Master> Nothing at all.
[10:00] <Quest-Master> I haven't installed anything either lately.
[10:00] <paradoxmo> asako: how did you install k3b?
[10:00] <AFX> CPU: 3391MHz - RAM: 2047MB / 32% (665MB) - GFX: RADEON X800 XT
[10:00] <gangalino> AFX: and people say to get over slavery...
[10:00] <RESET> yes, there isn't
[10:00] <Asako> with apt-get
[10:00] <Quest-Master> And I'm still on warty, paradoxmo
[10:01] <AFX> gangalino: as long as we can see color there will always be an issue
[10:01] <paradoxmo> gangalino: if you plug in your usb drive, does it appear in computer->system conf->device manager?
[10:01] <paradoxmo> Quest-Master: that is so odd.
[10:01] <RESET> today i've seen but now there isn't
[10:01] <AFX> I personally like to take some of the sting out of racism by making jokes
[10:01] <Quest-Master> All of my problems on Ubuntu are really odd.
[10:01] <Grizzly_> good evening e'one
[10:01] <paradoxmo> so it worked for a while, and then stopped working.
[10:01] <Quest-Master> XD
[10:01] <Quest-Master> Same thing for Totem.
[10:01] <Quest-Master> And Beep.
[10:01] <paradoxmo> quest-master, here's something to try.
[10:01] <Quest-Master> And CD Player.
[10:02] <Quest-Master> And so on.
[10:02] <paradoxmo> create a new user, from users and groups
[10:02] <Quest-Master> ok
[10:02] <paradoxmo> login as the new one and see if things work again
[10:02] <Grizzly_> [someone query me]  can i get fast help to share pppoe internet connection?
[10:02] <zenpod> ehhh I have to open my case.. I seem to have plugged in my HD and Power LED leads backwards
[10:03] <zenpod> gaargh
[10:03] <paradoxmo> grizzly, try this
[10:03] <paradoxmo> ubhuti: firestarter
[10:03] <ubhuti> from memory, firestarter is at: http://ubuntuguide.org/#firestarter
[10:03] <gangalino> paradoxmo: it does show in device mangaer
[10:03] <GotD0t> ubhuti: hoary
[10:03] <ubhuti> I heard hoary is currently the development branch of Ubuntu, meaning it can be unstable, is prone to breaking, and is not for the faint of heart. A stable hoary release will be made available April 2005.
[10:03] <Quest-Master> paradoxmo: I desperately hope this works.
[10:03] <paradoxmo> gangalino: are you in group plugdev? from terminal, "groups"
[10:03] <gangalino> AFX: racism doesn't depend on color, you got some real white looking Black people also that are still victimized by racism
[10:04] <paradoxmo> asako, can you /msg me? i'll try to help you with your burner
[10:04] <AFX> did you hear about the white guy that beat the other white guy because he once dated a black girl?
[10:04] <paradoxmo> it's really chaotic in this room right now
[10:04] <gangalino> paradox: do you mean is my login in a group called 'plugdev'?
[10:04] <paradoxmo> gangalino: yes
[10:04] <AFX> now that's something to get offended over!
[10:04] <Kamion> can the racism discussion move to #ubuntu-offtopic or similar please? thanks ...
[10:05] <paradoxmo> afx: yes, please
[10:05] <AFX> ubuntu is racist
[10:05] <paradoxmo> afx: please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:05] <AFX> it won't run on black owned computers
[10:05] <AFX> I have proof
[10:05] <paradoxmo> we're trying to help people in here
[10:05] <zenpod> it's a troll.
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> thank you daniels
[10:05] <ajmitch_> thanks, daniels
[10:05] <GotD0t> thank you daniels
[10:06] <RESET>  rmmod bttv
[10:06] <RESET> ERROR: Module bttv is in use by bt878
[10:06] <zenpod> RESET, I don't understand what you're trying to do.
[10:06] <RESET> is there a way to remove it
[10:06] <Kamion> modprobe -r bttv (will remove all the modules using it too)
[10:06] <zenpod> ohh
[10:06] <RubenV> gah i hate racists
[10:06] <Quest-Master> Guess what.
[10:06] <Quest-Master> It didn't work. :P
[10:07] <NotAphex> #ubuntu-offtopic has 4 people....
[10:07] <NotAphex> I'm supposed to have a conversation in there?
[10:07] <gangalino> paradox: why yes I am in plugdev!
[10:07] <Solatis> RubenV: hmmm, racists you say ? you mean like vlaams blok ? :)
[10:07] <RESET> zenpod, i must reinstall it, because now don tune any channel tv
[10:07] <RubenV> Solatis: it's vlaams belang now, and it's still horrible
[10:07] <zenpod> RESET, ah.
[10:08] <Quest-Master> Any last solutions paradoxmo?
[10:08] <paradoxmo> Quest-Master: that's so. odd. i have no idea.
[10:08] <Solatis> RubenV: oh yeah that's true... lol, what's in a name :)
[10:08] <RubenV> racists and hypocrits
[10:08] <Solatis> RubenV: yeah indeed, really, i had no idea belgium was that extreme
[10:08] <kleedrac> What's the default root passwd?
[10:08] <RubenV> Solatis: it ain't
[10:08] <Solatis> kleedrac: none ?
[10:08] <GotD0t> ubhuti: root
[10:08] <ubhuti> If you really must have a root user, run sudo passwd root.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[10:08] <paradoxmo> kleedrac: root is disabled by default.
[10:08] <Solatis> GotD0t: d'oh :)
[10:08] <kleedrac> nope
[10:08] <RubenV> in belgium we get the idea that holland is becoming antisemitic
[10:08] <RESET>  modprobe -r bttv
[10:08] <kleedrac> paradoxmo: How do I sudo then?
[10:08] <RESET> FATAL: Module bttv is in use.
[10:08] <RubenV> but that's just the media
[10:09] <Solatis> RubenV: well, the dutch media is just one big hype
[10:09] <paradoxmo> kleedrac: to get a root shell, type sudo -s and then enter your user password
[10:09] <daniels> if you are discussing something that is not ubuntu, i strongly suggest you stop doing so now.
[10:09] <kleedrac> Really?
[10:09] <Q-FUNK> RubenV: totally off-topic for this channel.  however, holland is becoming anti-everything.
[10:09] <kleedrac> Interesting
[10:09] <RESET> :|
[10:09] <Kamion> kleedrac: root is an account with a disabled password by default; the account still exists
[10:09] <RubenV> btw Solatis: get yourself into ubuntu-nl
[10:09] <RESET> it's in use :O
[10:09] <Solatis> daniels: ok, sorry
[10:09] <RubenV> Q-FUNK: he started it ;)
[10:09] <Grizzly_> if i try installing firestarter i get an error, "unable to find firestarter". if i search it with synaptic idem....
[10:09] <gangalino> it's quiet in off-topic
[10:09] <paradoxmo> ubhuti: rootshell
[10:09] <ubhuti> Bugger all, I dunno, paradoxmo
[10:09] <gangalino> ubuntu-offtopic, I mean
[10:10] <Quest-Master> well then, i'm off for now
[10:10] <kleedrac> Never seen a linux distro like that ... I just finished my ubuntu install and I gotta say this is great! :)
[10:10] <paradoxmo> ubhuti: rootshell is Root is disabled by default. If you need a root shell, type "sudo -s" at a terminal and enter your user password.
[10:10] <ubhuti> paradoxmo: okay
[10:10] <RESET>  modprobe -r bttv
[10:10] <RuffianSoldier> I love sudo
[10:10] <RESET> FATAL: Module bttv is in use.
[10:10] <Kamion> paradoxmo: I'd suggest "Root's password is disabled ..."
[10:10] <RESET> in use???
[10:10] <Kamion> paradoxmo: since the root account itself very much exists
[10:11] <paradoxmo> yeah, but it's disabled, i think the wording is okay?
[10:11] <paradoxmo> i said nothing about it not existing
[10:11] <RESET> how kill bttv
[10:11] <Kamion> paradoxmo: it confused kleedrac above, so I would suggest that some clarification is in order
[10:11] <RESET> how kill bttv
[10:11] <Kamion> paradoxmo: the root account is not disabled, either
[10:12] <kleedrac> I've just never used a linux distro where you didn't set a root passwd during the install ... I assumed there would be a default root passwd that I would change after install.
[10:12] <RESET> helpppppp
[10:12] <Kamion> just the means of accessing it via password authentication
[10:12] <Kamion> kleedrac: Mac OS X takes roughly the same approach we do, FWIW
[10:12] <paradoxmo> okay, how do you unlearn something for ubhuti?
[10:12] <kleedrac> Kamion: Haven't used OSX much
[10:12] <GotD0t> i think we should tell ubhuti about itself
[10:12] <kleedrac> Kaimon: but good to know :)
[10:13] <RESET> shit
[10:13] <RESET> how kill bttv
[10:13] <gangalino> paradox: so what's the signifigance of me being in plugdev
[10:14] <farruinn> GotD0t: I tried
[10:14] <farruinn> he's just like wtf
[10:14] <Kamion> gangalino: users in the plugdev group are allowed to mount filesystems on removable devices like USB sticks
[10:15] <paradoxmo> ubhuti: forget rootshell
[10:15] <ubhuti> i forgot rootshell, paradoxmo
[10:15] <Q-FUNK> Treenaks: not exactly a smart thing to do.  very immature, to say the least.
[10:15] <GotD0t> ubhuti: ubhuti is a bot designed to help people find information about Ubuntu
[10:15] <ubhuti> ...but ubhuti is already something else...
[10:15] <GotD0t> oh
[10:15] <paradoxmo> Kamion: how's: Direct root access is disabled by default. If you need a root shell, type "sudo -s" at a terminal and enter your user password.
[10:15] <GotD0t> ubhuti: ubhuti
[10:15] <ubhuti> I'm ubhuti, a blootbot.
[10:15] <farruinn> gotdot, got it already
[10:15] <Tsjoklat> Q-Funk same goes for you.. we didn't ask you to come to our channel and spit your stuff in there
[10:16] <GotD0t> it didnt do it before
[10:16] <paradoxmo> can someone help grizzly_ with enabling universe? thanks
[10:16] <daniels> Q-FUNK: dude, take it to /msg.
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> Q-Funk we are trying to enjoy and share ubu and not politics/religion/racism/orwhatever crawled up your arse this morning
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> enough said
[10:16] <Q-FUNK> daniels: /msg blocked.
[10:16] <daniels> Tsjoklat: more than.
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> sorry daniels I am done
[10:17] <NixerX> anyone know how to log in to ubuntu using a NT account?
[10:17] <Kamion> paradoxmo: seems ok
[10:18] <paradoxmo> ubhuti: universe
[10:18] <ubhuti> from memory, universe is a component of Ubuntu that provides a snapshot of all Debian unstable packages not included in main. It is disabled by default because these packages are not supported. To enable universe, go to Settings->Repositories in Synaptic and check the greyed out options.
[10:18] <usual> whats better for firefox? mozilla-vlc plugin or mplayer plugin
[10:19] <paradoxmo> ubhuti: rootshell is Direct root access is disabled by default. If you need a root shell, type "sudo -s" at a terminal and enter your user password.
[10:19] <ubhuti> okay, paradoxmo
[10:20] <RESET> how disable a module?
[10:20] <usual> blacklist
[10:20] <paradoxmo> put it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:20] <usual> add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:20] <usual> JINX
[10:20] <GotD0t> haha
[10:20] <GotD0t> paradoxmo: got it by one second
[10:20] <usual> whats better? mplayer plugin or vlc?
[10:21] <paradoxmo> GotD0t: i'm fast on the draw (-;
[10:21] <RESET> usual,  rmmod bttv
[10:21] <RESET> ERROR: Module bttv is in use by bt878
[10:21] <NixerX> usual what ever install's easy.
[10:21] <usual> NixerX, they both install easy, but wat one works better? everytime I try mplayer plugin packages they install but never play anything
[10:21] <GotD0t> RESET: what is bttv?
[10:22] <RESET> fot tv tuner
[10:22] <RESET> how i kil it
[10:22] <GotD0t> RESET: are you in hoary?
[10:22] <RuffianSoldier> I heard the Coyotes last night - and I wanted to take my Beagle out there so they could make Beagle Coyotoes
[10:22] <NixerX> usual vlc supports an excellent amount of codecs. Thats what I'd use.
[10:23] <usual> hey jdub
[10:23] <NixerX> RuffianSoldier Damn that'd be like midget sex for dogs dude.
[10:23] <usual> NixerX, do you use it?
[10:23] <NixerX> I used vlc when im in linux
[10:23] <usual> heh
[10:23] <usual> it crashes firefox
[10:24] <usual> haha
[10:24] <RuffianSoldier> NixerX - come on! You cant go wrong with Beagle Coyotes!
[10:24] <Grizzly_> ok thanks for now
[10:24] <GotD0t> RuffianSoldier: if you do get one make sure to poxt a pic
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> I hope Beagle makes it in hoary
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> looks neat
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> dang I sound like my nan now
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> neat
[10:24] <GotD0t> haha
[10:24] <NixerX> RuffianSoldier...true. wait..itsnt that what chiuaua's are ( spelling wrong)
[10:25] <Morph[a] lus> FUCK CENSORSHIP
[10:25] <RuffianSoldier> haha
[10:25] <usual> NixerX, you use it in hoary?
[10:25] <usual> NixerX, it crashes firefox
[10:25] <NixerX> usual no. I use warty.
[10:25] <GotD0t> did Morph[a] lus just get fined by the FCC?
[10:25] <RESET> how return in normal user?
[10:25] <RESET> in terminal
[10:25] <GotD0t> RESET: exit
[10:25] <Morph[a] lus> no I got raped by an op with a higher sense of enlightenment
[10:26] <RESET> tnx
[10:26] <NixerX> anyone know samba pretty well?
[10:26] <paradoxmo> well, #ubuntu is certainly a change from what i do normally... do windows tech support (-:
[10:27] <daniels> paradoxmo: yeah, instead you can listen to 13-year old trolls
[10:27] <RESET> for compile ./configure
[10:27] <RESET> make
[10:27] <Tsjoklat> hey sid77
[10:27] <RESET> make install
[10:27] <RESET> ?
[10:27] <GotD0t> RESET: sudo make install
[10:27] <paradoxmo> daniels: i have to deal with 13-year-old kids who think they know more than i do, sometimes, it's kinda the same deal
[10:28] <RESET> and configure?
[10:28] <GotD0t> RESET: everything else was correct
[10:28] <paradoxmo> at least here you have the option to +b them
[10:28] <amathis> RESET: type   ./configure && make && sudo make install
[10:28] <sid77> good-<insert right time of the day depending on your timezone> to all
[10:28] <RESET> as root ./configure?
[10:28] <GotD0t> RESET: nope
[10:28] <RESET> no?
[10:28] <paradoxmo> nixerx: what do you need to do w/ samba
[10:28] <GotD0t> RESET: all you need to 'sudo' is make install
[10:29] <usual> does anyone have mplayer plugin working in hoary?
[10:29] <Amaranth> usual: the mozilla one?
[10:29] <NixerX> paradoxmo, I would like to enable domain logins from warty.
[10:29] <Amaranth> works fine
[10:29] <usual> Amaranth, yea, for firefox
[10:30] <Amaranth> of course, i'm using the official firefox 1.0, not the ubuntu build
[10:30] <Amaranth> i dunno if that makes a difference
[10:30] <usual> Amaranth, what packages did you install
[10:30] <usual> hi calc
[10:30] <Amaranth> usual: mozilla-mplayer
[10:32] <amathis> what is mozilla-mplayer?
[10:32] <Ribs> you mean the mplayer plugin for mozilla?
[10:32] <Amaranth> yep
[10:32] <amathis> Si
[10:32] <Ribs> Plays embedded movies, basically
[10:32] <amathis> YAY
[10:32] <usual> Amaranth, it downloads the media, but it never plays :(
[10:32] <amathis> what is the package called?
[10:32] <Ribs> like stuff on apple.com/quicktime
[10:32] <Ribs> etc
[10:33] <usual> ribs, it doesn't play for me
[10:33] <Amaranth> usual: probably need a codec for it
[10:33] <amathis> what is the package?
[10:33] <amathis> mozilla-mplayer?
[10:33] <Ribs> amathis: Search for it
[10:33] <Ribs> you lazy swine!
[10:33] <paradoxmo> nixerx: can't help you there, but check the samba documentation, it's been pretty easy to read for me. warty shouldn't be any different from any other distro.
[10:33] <daniels> Ribs: gentle.
[10:33] <amathis> have you apt-cache'd mozilla?
[10:33] <usual> Ribs, what codec do you need to watch quicktime movies
[10:33] <amathis> it is kind of bi.
[10:33] <amathis> g
[10:33] <Ribs> daniels: It was light-hearted
[10:34] <daniels> Ribs: even so
[10:34] <Ribs> usual: I don't use it at all.
[10:34] <usual> oh
[10:34] <Ribs> I just know it exists
[10:34] <Ribs> and it worked when I tried it out.
[10:34] <usual> daniels, do you know what codec I need to watch quicktime media for mozilla-mplayer
[10:34] <NixerX> paradoxmo, I love Ubuntu. We're actullay going to deploy it son some workstations at work once I fure this out.
[10:34] <amathis> hrm
[10:34] <daniels> usual: i'm not sure, sorry; don't use it
[10:35] <amathis> mozilla-mplayer returns nothing
[10:35] <Amaranth> you need to enable universe
[10:35] <amathis> Amaranth: no I don't
[10:35] <amathis> Amaranth: I have hoary universe enabled
[10:35] <amathis> unless it isn't in hoary repos'
[10:35] <Amaranth> oh, you need multiverse
[10:35] <amathis> o.0?
[10:36] <Amaranth> heh
[10:37] <amathis> Amaranth: care to explain?
[10:37] <Amaranth> its the same as enabling universe
[10:37] <njs12345> hmm
[10:38] <GotD0t> ubhuti: multiverse
[10:38] <ubhuti> it has been said that multiverse is a component that contains software that is "not free", which means the license requirements of this software is not compatible with the GNU General Public License.  To enable multiverse add multiverse to the deb and deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:38] <Amaranth> just edit your sources.list and add it in
[10:38] <paradoxmo> NixerX: yeah, i like it, or i wouldn't be here
[10:38] <njs12345> perhaps deleting /etc/xdg wasn't such a good idea
[10:38] <Amaranth> hey, we have a bot
[10:38] <usual> mozilla-mplayer, launches....downloads the file.....says download complete...and just sits there, on mpeg anf quicktime and I assume all video's...anyone know why?
[10:38] <Kinnison> Evening
[10:38] <njs12345> usual: hmm me too
[10:38] <usual> njs12345, it sucks
[10:38] <Amaranth> usual: Probably a codec issue.
[10:38] <usual> heh
[10:38] <njs12345> yeah
[10:38] <njs12345> mplayer normal (command line) doesn't work either
[10:38] <Amaranth> usual: You'll need to get the w32 codecs from the mplayer website and install them manually.
[10:39] <usual> Amaranth, I got the w32codec package...not good enough?
[10:39] <NixerX> paradoxmo , I was fighting tooth and nail cause the boss was lookin at Suse or Xandros....blah
[10:39] <Amaranth> doubtful, the codecs are actually legal to install unless you own a copy of windows
[10:39] <Amaranth> so they probably aren't in any repository
[10:39] <Amaranth> s/are/aren't/
[10:40] <Amaranth> err
[10:40] <njs12345> oh.. well basically everyone does (I mean some don't but most people do)
[10:40] <Amaranth> nevermind, just pay attention to the last part
[10:40] <Amaranth> yeah, everyone does it
[10:40] <Amaranth> you just have to do it manually
[10:40] <farruinn> win 3
[10:40] <farruinn> sorry
[10:41] <paradoxmo> nixerx: yeah, that's sucky. i was installing woody, but i think i'm gonna be installing warty from now on
[10:41] <njs12345> hmm
[10:41] <njs12345> is there an apt command for reinstalling everything on the machine?
[10:41] <socomm> SuSE and Xandros are nice ditros.
[10:42] <Quest-Master> I hate Suse from the bottom of my heart.
[10:42] <Quest-Master> :)
[10:42] <socomm> Xandros is even based on Debian.
[10:42] <paradoxmo> socomm: i agree, but it's better to work with what you know/like best
[10:42] <socomm> I can understand why people would hat RPM base distros though.
[10:42] <paradoxmo> i use suse on other machines
[10:42] <gfg> nothing compares to ubuntu ;)
[10:42] <Quest-Master> I haven't tried Xandros.. heard it's really user-friendly though.
[10:42] <Quest-Master> I don't know what distro to use know though, lol.
[10:42] <Quest-Master> Xandros, Mepis, Beatrix..
[10:42] <GotD0t> i like SuSe, but its way do damned slow
[10:42] <njs12345> I've tried em all and I like Ubuntu the best so far
[10:42] <socomm> SuSE was my first distro so I'm sure you can see why it holds a special place in my heart.
[10:43] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: If "Windows" is user-friendly then you can say Xandros is.
[10:43] <GotD0t> err, too*
[10:43] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: They basically make KDE work and look as much like Windows XP as possible.
[10:43] <Quest-Master> socomm: Suse was my first Linux too.
[10:43] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[10:43] <paradoxmo> unfortunately, redhat was my first.
[10:43] <Amaranth> my first was RH5
[10:43] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[10:43] <Quest-Master> That's what it seems like from the screenshots.
[10:43] <paradoxmo> amaranth, same here
[10:43] <njs12345> paradoxmo: my first was rh9
[10:43] <njs12345> then mandrake
[10:43] <njs12345> then LFS
[10:43] <GotD0t> mandrake was my first, i only used that for a few months then went back to windows
[10:43] <njs12345> then Gentoo
[10:43] <njs12345> then Ubuntu
[10:43] <GotD0t> and i picked up Ubuntu a few months ago
[10:43] <njs12345> .. which brings me to where I am now
[10:44] <zenpod> UBUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNTUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
[10:44] <GotD0t> nuked my windows partition two weeks ago
[10:44] <GotD0t> and now im super happy
[10:44] <Amaranth> I gave up on RH5 when I tried to recompile my kernel to get my modem working and 4 hours later I was still waiting. :P
[10:44] <njs12345> bah, I keep windows around due to my Counter-Strike: Source addiction
[10:44] <Quest-Master> I'm back on my Windows right now, very sadlu
[10:44] <Quest-Master> *sadly
[10:44] <socomm> Well in actuality FreeBSD was my first UNIX-like experience, but I digress ...
[10:44] <paradoxmo> GotD0t: unfortunately, work requires windows for me
[10:44] <paradoxmo> i have it on separate machines though
[10:44] <paradoxmo> this one is only linux
[10:44] <Amaranth> paradoxmo: What requires Windows?
[10:44] <GotD0t> im starting to regret nuking windows... as i just realized there is no linux app like DVD Shrink
[10:44] <Tsjoklat> night all.. be good!
[10:45] <njs12345> I'm a bit young for work.. but I guess I'll do freelance webdesign or something
[10:45] <paradoxmo> Amaranth: i do support for windows users
[10:45] <Amaranth> ah
[10:45] <farruinn> Tsjoklat: farewell!
[10:45] <Amaranth> I feel for you.
[10:45] <njs12345> GotDOt: I'm sure there is
[10:45] <njs12345> it's probably just not got a GUI
[10:45] <paradoxmo> Amaranth: it's not something i necessarily want to do, it's just what i'm good at and what makes money easiest at the moment.
[10:45] <Amaranth> DVD Shrink? what does that do?
[10:45] <Asako> yay, it works now
[10:45] <GotD0t> njs12345: id prefer it didnt have a GUI
[10:45] <GotD0t> sadly ive been scouring the internet for one and havent yet been successful
[10:45] <njs12345> Amaranth: shrinks DVDs (eg shrink a two disk DVD down to one disk)
[10:45] <Asako> thanks for the help
[10:46] <paradoxmo> GotD0t: i'm pretty sure dvd shrink runs under wine, if you want to do that
[10:46] <Amaranth> njs12345: Ok, so it rips it and converts it to DivX or XviD.
[10:46] <socomm> I'm so used to using UNIX/UNIX-like OSes it's hard to go back to any other type of OS.
[10:46] <GotD0t> Amaranth: it takes a non-encrypted dvd (read: previously decrypted) and allows you to compress it more, remove things, etc to make it fit on one DVD
[10:46] <paradoxmo> asako, so the new cdrecord fixed it?
[10:46] <Asako> not sure
[10:47] <Amaranth> oh
[10:47] <njs12345> hmm.. GotD0t I found an article to do with transcoding DVDs
[10:47] <Asako> I just checked on the fly burning and it works
[10:47] <njs12345> you could transcode into Ogg Theora and then burn as a data disk
[10:47] <Amaranth> libburn is going to replace it, eventually
[10:47] <GotD0t> njs12345: the ideal thing would be to sell my current one to a friend and buy a dual layer DVD burner
[10:47] <Asako> instead of creating an image first
[10:47] <GotD0t> njs12345: i don't watch movies on my comp, i have a 50incher for that
[10:47] <paradoxmo> did you upgrade cdrecord?
[10:47] <socomm> paradoxmo: Most programs that require hardware access are flakey under wine.
[10:47] <calc> dual layer discs are a bit expensive
[10:47] <njs12345> yeah.. dual layer DVD burners aren't so expensive anymore
[10:47] <calc> roughly 30-50x more than a single layer disc
[10:48] <paradoxmo> socomm: i've heard success stories with that particular program
[10:48] <njs12345> GotDOt: plasma or LCD? (my family got a 46in plasma a while ago) :)
[10:48] <GotD0t> calc: its worth it
[10:48] <GotD0t> njs12345: its an oldie, rear projection ;-)
[10:48] <Asako> I did upgrade cdrecord though
[10:49] <njs12345> oh cool
[10:49] <Asako> that was way more work than it should have been
[10:49] <calc> GotD0t: why would you want a dual layer disc, it would cost more than buying the legal copy
[10:49] <paradoxmo> asako, try the normal burning, and see if it works. if it does, it was probably the cdrecord upgrade that did it
[10:49] <GotD0t> calc: no they're not
[10:49] <Asako> cd burning should work out of the box
[10:49] <calc> unless they come down a lot recently they were ~ $15/ea
[10:50] <GotD0t> calc: i dont think so
[10:50] <socomm> Asako: cd burning does not always work out of the box even on comercial Operating Systems.
[10:50] <Asako> I know, you have to install Nero first
[10:50] <Asako> ;)
[10:50] <njs12345> yeah, I don't think M$ Windoze had built in DVD burning till XP
[10:50] <paradoxmo> asako: also there's no good gnome burning program at the moment, which complicates things as ubuntu doesn't have kde in main
[10:50] <Asako> but it's like 3 clicks
[10:50] <Grizzly_> ok boys i go good bye e'one
[10:51] <calc> hmm now they appear to be down to only $7/ea
[10:51] <calc> but thats still vs ~ $0.20/ea for single layer
[10:51] <GotD0t> calc: where do you see that
[10:51] <njs12345> I think coaster is being developed for that purpose
[10:51] <paradoxmo> ubhuti: addingrepositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:51] <ubhuti> okay, paradoxmo
[10:51] <calc> GotD0t: a place i usually buy bulk media from
[10:52] <Amaranth> ubhuti: ubhuti
[10:52] <ubhuti> Hello, I'm Ubhuti, a simple blootbot. My name is Zulu for "brother".
[10:52] <GotD0t> calc: be kind and provide a link
[10:52] <calc> and the lowest price i see on pricewatch is also $7/ea
[10:52] <calc> http://www.pricewatch.com/
[10:52] <socomm> paradoxmo: http://biddell.co.uk/gnomebaker.php
[10:53] <linux_mafia> anyone using beagle?
[10:53] <calc> http://www.allmediaoutlet.com/allmedia/high-quality-japanese-made-dvd-r-2x-super-white-top-general-purpose-25-50-100-200-500-pack-group-699.htm <- dvd-r $0.18/ea in bulk
[10:54] <Amaranth> socomm: Does gnome baker use cdrecord?
[10:54] <socomm> Amaranth: Very probable.
[10:54] <paradoxmo> socomm: has it been packaged for ubuntu yet?
[10:54] <speel> hey is there a command to see what usb devices are connectd?
[10:54] <Amaranth> socomm: ick
[10:54] <socomm> Amaranth: cdrecord/cdrdao/etc ...
[10:54] <Amaranth> socomm: ick, ick, ick
[10:54] <paradoxmo> yeah, cdrecord isn't pretty (i like cdrdao actually) but it's what we've got
[10:55] <Amaranth> socomm: http://www.coaster-burn.org/
[10:55] <socomm> paradoxmo: Dunno, apt-cache search.
[10:55] <paradoxmo> speel: lsusb
[10:55] <speel> ty
[10:55] <Q-FUNK> I seem to get stuck at the "Loading /install/vmlinuz...." prompt on i386.  as I'm not otherwise too familiar with d-i, any idea what could cause this?
[10:55] <calc> 8x for $0.28/ea in bulk (the other was 2x)
[10:55] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: that's not really even d-i, that's the kernel loading
[10:56] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: fine, but I have no idea what tries to load it and why it stays there for over 15 minutes without moving.
[10:56] <speel> weird i have my mp3 player connected with usb with no battery and its giving it power but when i do lsusb its not there any ideas?
[10:56] <Kamion> if that fails then something rather fundamental is screwed; you could try the various workarounds listed in the help screens accessible from the boot: prompt via the function keys
[10:57] <Kamion> "what tries to load [the kernel] "? the bootloader, of course ...
[10:57] <paradoxmo> socomm: it's not packaged
[10:57] <Q-FUNK> ya, but no idea what is the bootloader on an ubuntu Cd, so no idea what to look for.
[10:57] <paradoxmo> it's probably not as mature as k3b, which in some ways may be a good thing
[10:57] <socomm> Amaranth: Does that app also offer mp3/ogg->wav conversion?
[10:57] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: isolinux
[10:57] <Kamion> (from the syslinux source package)
[10:57] <Amaranth> socomm: it doesn't even do audio CDs yet :P
[10:57] <socomm> paradoxmo: Yeah it's a fairly new project.
[10:57] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: if I were you I'd try the workarounds on the help screens first
[10:58] <Amaranth> socomm: but it'll use gstreamer to handle all that
[10:58] <paradoxmo> the author uses debian, i wonder if he's packaged it
[10:58] <Amaranth> only source packages
[10:58] <socomm> Amaranth: Gstreamer ....
[10:58] <GotD0t> can anybody point me to a good tutorial on wine?
[10:58] <socomm> GotD0t: Get the wine setup tools.
[10:58] <Amaranth> socomm: yes?
[10:59] <Amaranth> whoa, crazney is in here!
[10:59] <usual> In hoary, after a fresh install and also after a while of running hoary, I notice a ~ dir is created IN my home dir.... so if I ls in my home dir I see a blue ~  if I open nautilus it doesn't show it, if I do anything to it, it screws up my home dir....what is it? is it a bug?
[10:59] <socomm> GotD0t: winesetuptk
[10:59] <Kamion> usual: certainly a bug, hard to tell where though
[10:59] <socomm> Amaranth: I'm not a fan of gstreamer.
[10:59] <Kamion> usual: you can operate on it without screwing up your home directory by using \~ rather than just ~
[11:00] <usual> Kamion, hope someone finds it heh
[11:00] <usual> k
[11:00] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: sorry, which workarounds exactly?  the various Fn menus only show the different boot options.
[11:00] <Amaranth> socomm: why not?
[11:00] <speel> to mount a storage device is it /dev/sda1?
[11:00] <socomm> paradoxmo: You can try to package it yourself, but dunno if you wanna put that amount of energy into this.
[11:01] <crazney> Amaranth: woah! ?
[11:01] <socomm> Amaranth: GStreamer hasn't really worked well for me.
[11:01] <Amaranth> crazney: you use ubuntu?
[11:01] <crazney> Amaranth: just giving it a shot now, yeah.
[11:01] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: stuff on F5
[11:02] <paradoxmo> GotD0t: there's a page i saw it on, but in the meanwhile i googled and found this: http://www.fuw.edu.pl/~pliszka/hints/dvd.html
[11:02] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: since I don't know exactly what the problem is I can't give you specifics
[11:02] <Asako> later folks
[11:02] <Amaranth> crazney: it's great :)
[11:03] <crazney> Amaranth: i'll see about that ;p
[11:03] <crazney> who are you again? (sorry ;p)
[11:03] <Amaranth> crazney: You remember me, right?
[11:03] <Amaranth> bleh
[11:03] <Amaranth> phpTunes
[11:03] <crazney> the name is familiar..
[11:03] <paradoxmo> crazney, are you the itunesbrowser guy?
[11:03] <crazney> oh
[11:03] <crazney> yeah right :)
[11:03] <crazney> paradoxmo: yeah
[11:04] <crazney> Amaranth: i remember now ;) sorry
[11:04] <paradoxmo> crazney: good work, it's helped me out a lot with my friends who keep telling me to install itunes
[11:04] <crazney> paradoxmo: cool, glad to be of help ;-)
[11:04] <socomm> iTunez
[11:04] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: found, but unfortunately did not help.  still stalls at that kernel loading prompt.
[11:05] <crazney> i should be releasing a new, much improved version shortly. once i figure out this damn gstream bug *stabs gstreamer*
[11:05] <socomm> Amaranth: See?
[11:06] <Amaranth> crazney: I've been working on pyTunes lately. http://realistanew.com/almost.png
[11:06] <Amaranth> socomm: hehe, it isn't that bad
[11:06] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: noapic nolapic was the one that looked most promising
[11:06] <crazney> gstreamer? when it refuses to return from a simple function for now reason (well, deadlock).. when it's only ever being called from the g main loop.. it's bad :)
[11:07] <crazney> Amaranth: ah wow, looks cool!
[11:07] <crazney> anyhow, i'm gonna go for a ride down to mordi while ubuntu finishes upgrading. later folks.
[11:08] <Amaranth> bye
[11:08] <daniels> crazney: enjoy
[11:08] <paradoxmo> bye
[11:09] <binbrain> hey, theoritically, could I change my apt-sources to warty and just 'gracefully' move to ubuntu :)
[11:09] <binbrain> sounds risky
[11:09] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: precisely the one i tried, along with no387.  still doesn't help.
[11:09] <paradoxmo> binbrain: from what, testing or unstable?
[11:09] <socomm> binbrain: To warty, from what?
[11:09] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: sorry then, no idea.
[11:09] <binbrain> paradoxmo: unstable
[11:09] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: thanks anyway. :)
[11:09] <binbrain> debian unstable on PPC
[11:10] <GotD0t> who killed the bot?
[11:10] <Kamion> binbrain: many packages in unstable are newer than warty, so it wouldn't be graceful
[11:10] <binbrain> ahh
[11:10] <binbrain> ok
[11:10] <paradoxmo> binbrain, if you want to be risky, you can try what i did,
[11:10] <Kamion> binbrain: it may be possible, but you'd have to know what you're doing
[11:10] <paradoxmo> which is to pin warty first, hoary second, unstable third
[11:10] <paradoxmo> and then dist-upgrade
[11:10] <Amaranth> binbrain: go to hoary, you'll have a better chance :)
[11:11] <binbrain> of course I don't know what I'm doing, thats half the challange
[11:11] <paradoxmo> binbrain: that's the spirit! my ongoing notes here: http://ml.paradoxia.net/wiki/Debian-to-Ubuntu
[11:11] <AndyR> lo ppl
[11:11] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:12] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: was the boot kernel compiled for 686 or some other newer CPU?
[11:12] <AndyR> can anyone help me with sound please
[11:12] <AndyR> ?
[11:12] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: 386
[11:12] <confrey> AndyR, what's?
[11:12] <ryan> anyone here get over that 6629 driver segfaulting issue
[11:12] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: ok.  that's not it, then.
[11:12] <Kamion> actually bits are 486 really due to locking crap
[11:12] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: that's ok, this is a k6.  should work.
[11:12] <ryan> i tried what the one guy did in the forums, remove all the nvidia stuff and the restricted kernel modules and reinstall em, but that didn't turn out :/
[11:12] <Kamion> not sure you'd hit those unless you were using C++ anyway
[11:13] <AndyR> ess meastro seems to have modules loaded but no sound
[11:13] <ryan> is there an xorg package i should reinstall too maybe?
[11:13] <paradoxmo> andyr, did you check in volume control that it's not muted
[11:13] <AndyR> paradoxmo, yes
[11:13] <paradoxmo> no sound in all apps?
[11:13] <AndyR> not i X
[11:14] <AndyR> not tried in shell
[11:14] <paradoxmo> worth a shot
[11:14] <AndyR> what do i do to try?
[11:14] <socomm> Try alsamixer
[11:14] <Amaranth> AndyR: cat / > /dev/dsp
[11:14] <Amaranth> :P
[11:14] <paradoxmo> hmm... uh.
[11:15] <Amaranth> err, cat /* > /dev/dsp
[11:15] <paradoxmo> i was gonna suggest mpg321 but that's not in ubuntu
[11:15] <Q-FUNK> pretty odd.  on the previous test install I did, on another machine, I only needed to press enter and the kernel would boot.
[11:15] <confrey> AndyR, try this : cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[11:16] <paradoxmo> the sound of that is something awful
[11:16] <paradoxmo> (-:
[11:17] <Q-FUNK> akin to that of a dialup modem connecting. :P
[11:17] <confrey> help me please; I'm trying to use my quantum lct10 at ata66; it only works as ata33 (udma2), hdparm doesn't set the ata66 mode with -X68
[11:17] <Amaranth> paradoxmo: better then cat'ing the kernel memory, sounds like bombs going off
[11:17] <paradoxmo> you've tried all of these? man.
[11:18] <paradoxmo> before i head out
[11:18] <infie> hrm, has ubuntu got commercial backing?
[11:18] <AndyR> no sound then
[11:18] <paradoxmo> does anyone know who i can ask about not getting my registration email for the website?
[11:18] <paradoxmo> andyr: alsamixer at the prompt. can you unmute things from there?
[11:18] <Kamion> infie: yes
[11:19] <Kamion> infie: Canonical sponsors a number of developers to work on it
[11:19] <paradoxmo> ubhuti: canonical
[11:19] <ubhuti> No idea, paradoxmo
[11:19] <paradoxmo> really! mhm.
[11:19] <socomm> ubhuti: sound
[11:19] <ubhuti> socomm: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:20] <farruinn> hey, give him a break, he's only a few days old
[11:20] <farruinn> =)
[11:20] <paradoxmo> hehe (-:
[11:20] <paradoxmo> he's pretty smart for a few-days-year-old
[11:20] <farruinn> well, I've put in the answers to questions that seem to be asked most frequently here
[11:21] <socomm> farruinn: How can we make it learn?
[11:21] <socomm> s/make/help
[11:21] <paradoxmo> farruinn: is there a way to ask it what it knows about?
[11:21] <socomm> :^)
[11:21] <infie> I cannot see where Canonical would get money to sponser something like this
[11:21] <farruinn> socomm, /msg him and enter help
[11:21] <Kamion> ubhuti: canonical is Canonical is a global company committed to developing, distributing, and promoting open source software; among other things, it sponsors Ubuntu development.
[11:21] <ubhuti> Kamion: what are you talking about?
[11:22] <socomm> infie: Microsoft of course!
[11:22] <AndyR> paradoxmo, used alsamixer put all on max still nothing
[11:22] <Kamion> huh, what did I do wrong there?
[11:22] <socomm> farruinn: Thanks.
[11:22] <farruinn> I would suggest /msg'ing him to keep the noise down in the channel
[11:22] <Kamion> farruinn: good point
[11:22] <infie> socomm: I'm assuming you are joking
[11:23] <socomm> infie: The person backing Ubuntu is a billionaire.
[11:23] <Kamion> infie: the initial capital's from the company's founder, who's a multi-millionaire. Long-term, of course, we do hope and intend to become sustainable.
[11:23] <socomm> infie: Or so I hear.
[11:23] <neoxed> how do I find out what model of video card that I have, I need to get drivers but can't seem to find the model
[11:24] <neoxed> I know that it is an sis, but that's all I know
[11:24] <paradoxmo> neoxed: sudo lspci
[11:24] <Amaranth> infie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth
[11:24] <paradoxmo> i've gotta head out guys. thanks for the help
[11:24] <Amaranth> He went into space. ;)
[11:25] <_RESET> someone can see in our synaptic is there bttv?
[11:25] <_RESET> tnx
[11:25] <socomm> paradoxmo: See you.
[11:25] <_RESET> paradoxmo, can u see?
[11:26] <Gwildor> bttv isnt there
[11:26] <_RESET> :|
[11:26] <_RESET> how can i install
[11:26] <linux_mafia> anyone using beagle?
[11:26] <_RESET> it
[11:26] <Gwildor> find a .deb
[11:26] <paradoxmo> /close
[11:26] <paradoxmo> er.
[11:26] <confrey> help me please; I'm trying to use my quantum lct10 at ata66; it only works as ata33 (udma2), hdparm doesn't set the ata66 mode with -X68
[11:27] <Gwildor> maybe you can get it from debian repo.......but not recommended
[11:27] <paradoxmo> i feel like an idiot. what is the irc command for leaving
[11:27] <Kamion> paradoxmo: /part
[11:27] <_RESET> i've found this: http://dl.bytesex.org/releases/video4linux/
[11:27] <neoxed> or /quit
[11:27] <Kamion> paradoxmo: (or /quit to quit IRC altogether, not just one channel)
[11:27] <paradoxmo> duh. part.
[11:28] <paradoxmo> have i not used irc for this long.
[11:28] <paradoxmo> thanks folks
[11:34] <mooch> lamont: ping
[11:36] <_RESET> is there a command for leave the module load
[11:37] <speel> hey is there a easy way to add fat32 support?
[11:43] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> hi, does someone have installed mono on ubuntu ?
[11:44] <stvn> yep
[11:45] <linux_mafia> yes
[11:45] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> stvn, how do i install gtkhtml ? i tried with apt-get install gtkhtml-sharp, libgtkhtml-cli
[11:45] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> but apt-get told me than couldn't find the package
[11:46] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> i already added the universe repository with sipnaptic
[11:46] <Synek> AlbertEin_ZaYa: did you apt-get update after adding universe?
[11:47] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> Synek, yes, i did it, i installed mono, and some other mono libs, so the packages list it's already updated
[11:47] <Synek> Hm
[11:47] <linux_mafia> AlbertEin_ZaYa, its cil, not cli, and those packages dont exist in ubuntu, its cvs for you
[11:47] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: er.. apt-get install gtkhtml2-0
[11:47] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> linux_mafia, sorry it was a typing error
[11:47] <Synek> gtkhtml3.2
[11:48] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> i alrready installed gtkhtml but i need gtkhtml-sharp
[11:48] <linux_mafia> AlbertEin_ZaYa, what are wanting to run?
[11:48] <stvn> jab: sorry, de uitdaging was idd de snelste gnome IIRC
[11:48] <stvn> jab: never mind
[11:49] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: for what? (there's no gtkhtml-sharp on my system
[11:49] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> stvn, you need it for monodoc
[11:50] <linux_mafia> AlbertEin_ZaYa, you have to build gtk-sharp from cvs
[11:50] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: apt-get isntall monodoc doesn't say so
[11:50] <_RESET> usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/bttv/Modules.conf
[11:50] <_RESET> where is?
[11:51] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> stvn, nop, i already installed monodoc but mono doc crashes because i don't have gtkhtml
[11:51] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: ah, moment i'll install it
[11:51] <Synek> AlbertEin_ZaYa: try gtk-sharp
[11:52] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> i alrready got it that one
[11:53] <Synek> libgnome-cil?
[11:53] <Synek> usr/share/dotnet/mono/gtk-sharp/gtkhtml-sharp.dll    libs/libgnome-cil
[11:53] <linux_mafia> there is no gtk-sharp package, its libgtk-cil
[11:53] <speel> what is mono?
[11:53] <Synek> according to packages.debian.org
[11:53] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> yeah!! that one!
[11:53] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> thanks
[11:53] <Synek> :)
[11:53] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> libgtkhtml3.0-4
[11:53] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> crappy vercion number
[11:54] <stvn> heh
[11:54] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> hmm, let me try
[11:54] <stvn> onze udev hugger ;)
[11:54] <Synek> good luck, then, and good night :)
[11:54] <linux_mafia> AlbertEin_ZaYa, realistically though, im using pretty much all mono deps to run beagle, youre better off using cvs
[11:54] <stvn> sjoerd: ze maken wel zeer vette grafieken ;)
[11:55] <sjoerd> stvn: wrong channel
[11:55] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> linux_mafia, i'm going to try that package, if it doesn't work, i'll install it from source
[11:56] <linux_mafia> AlbertEin_ZaYa, hang on im getting ahead of myself, yes libgtk-cil will provide what you want, no cvs involved
[11:56] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> but i really wanted to avoid that stuff, i used slackware, and i build the packages for mono, and that was a pain, i had to do 13 packages
[11:56] <linux_mafia> i was thinking of gsf-sharp
[11:56] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: monodoc runs fine here
[11:57] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: so with packages only it should work ;)
[11:57] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> ok, i get it working!!
[11:57] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: but be aware i run hoary and a lot of mono ( / beagle ;) ) stuff here
[11:57] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> it juswt was missing the libgnome-cil
[11:58] <stvn> k
[11:58] <linux_mafia> stvn, so you using beagle?
[11:58] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> hmm what's the name of the monodevelop package?
[11:58] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> it cannot fing apt-get install monodevelop
[11:58] <stvn> yeah untill last week, got a new kernel, need to recompile stuff i'm afraid
[11:59] <linux_mafia> stvn, recompile? why?
[11:59] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: get aptitude or synaptic to search, or apt-search (?)
[11:59] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> stvn, thanks
[11:59] <linux_mafia> stvn, you using reiser? inotify is in the hoary kernel now
[11:59] <stvn> linux_mafia: er.. i miss some # stuff i think
[12:00] <stvn> inotify indeed