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robtaylor|mataroKinnison, you awake?12:05
robtaylor|mataroKinnison, any idea how the generation of dbus_bindings.pyx works?12:06
Kinnisondeep voodoo magic12:06
robtaylor|mataroits all a bit odd. it seems to use cpp to pull in c fn definites but its not pulling in things with are *next to each other* in the header file :/12:07
robtaylor|matarohmm. maybe its only pulling in stuff thats used12:08
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Kinnisonanyway; I'm off for a shower and then bed12:09
mjg59haggai: Hrm. Irritating.12:13
mjg59Can you file a bug with lspci and lsmod output?12:13
haggaimjg59: ok12:18
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mjg59haggai: Thanks!12:19
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kylemdo you guys have your kernel packages in version control somewhere?12:50
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RubenVhmmm, why isn't upgrade-notifier built with DBUS?12:58
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davyd_daniels ; around?09:00
davyd_how does X autoconfigure itself in Ubuntu?09:00
thomdavyd_: he's not emerged yet09:00
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davyd_thom ; you don't happen to know the answer do you? ;)09:01
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thomdavyd_: there's a program called xresprobe - it does a mad combination of log greppery, dmi and guessing09:02
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davyd_thom ; is it in straight debian? I am trying to get my new Linux based terminal server client to boot09:04
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danielsdavyd_: sup?09:09
danielsdavyd_: nope, it's ubuntu-specific and a little bit of a hack09:10
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davyd_daniels ; hmm, all I need is a script to write out a config09:10
davyd_your xresprobe works09:10
davyd_do you have a script to wrap that?09:10
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danielsdavyd_: hmmm, not really, sorry09:11
danielsthe config is all debconf crack09:11
danielsdavyd_: if you run that, that should give you the values you need09:12
davyd_daniels ; yeah09:12
davyd_on the other hand, Debian doesn't seem to want to write me an X config at all09:12
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lamont_rmissing -lXres on ia6409:12
lamont_rENOMSG :-(09:13
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fabbionedaniels: i did send you a mail about xrestop09:15
fabbionewith the build logs09:15
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jdubmorning davyd_ 09:25
danielsfabbione: yeah, but this was actually a ftbfs in gnome :)09:28
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haggaiouch my laptop looses serious time when suspended09:59
thomi thought mjg59 had fixed his scripts to reset the system clock from hardware10:00
thomwhen you come out10:00
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pittielmo: is there an i386 machine with a hoary dchroot (glibc build-deps)?10:04
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haggaithom: hmm I should check if that gets run properly10:12
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seb128is somebody working on fixing mono in hoary ?10:23
thomseb128: lamont will be kicking it soonish10:23
thomit's a circular build dep10:24
seb128I'm waiting to install tomboy for one week now :p10:24
MithrandirTreenaks: thomboy is called thombot, tomboy is wiki-for-the-desktop.10:25
TreenaksMithrandir: I know what tomboy is :)10:25
seb128I think nobody did this joke before10:25
TreenaksMithrandir: how were the exams?10:25
fabbioneyeah but the real name of thom is : Thom 'I slice my fingers' May10:25
MithrandirTreenaks: not until 1500, it seems.10:26
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Mithrandirseb128: any idea why nautilus in unstable doesn't show the right icons?  They all look like one sheet of paper10:30
seb128Mithrandir, gnome-settings-daemon is running ?10:31
chrisaMithrandir: gnome-settings-daemon isn't running10:31
Mithrandirseb128: ah, ok, thx10:37
Kamionfabbione: compare http://www.suse.de/~nashif/autoinstall/9.1/html/importkickstart.html10:41
KamionSuSE seems to be a bit schizophrenic in exactly what it supports10:41
TreenaksSuSE is crackhead stuff10:42
Treenaks(and I know.. I'm using it at work.. because the "support" oracle..)10:42
fabbioneKamion: i suggest a new approach10:44
fabbioneKamion: we reengineer the entire kickstart crap to be nice and dandy10:44
fabbioneand we push it to the other distro10:45
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Kamionfabbione: hm ... elegant, reliable, on time, pick any two ... ;)10:46
fabbioneKamion: eheh10:46
Kamionnot sure what I think the best approach is yet; more research to do10:47
fabbionei agree10:47
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Kamionmost of the use of rhpl is its translate library11:04
Kamionwhich appears to be a not-entirely-trivial wrapper around python's gettext library11:04
Kamionthere's always the option of just packaging up rhpl, of course11:06
Kamionwhich I'm tempted to do anyway so that I can test the thing unmodified11:07
Kamionhmm. has iconv.py been replaced with something else?11:11
Kamionnever mind, I'm just confused11:14
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Kamionfabbione: ./keyboard.py:25:import kudzu11:20
Kamion./keyboard.py:44:       list = kudzu.probe(kudzu.CLASS_KEYBOARD, kudzu.BUS_UNSPEC,11:20
Kamion./keyboard.py:45:                          kudzu.PROBE_ONE)11:20
Kamionyay for RH stuff11:20
danielsKamion: yeah, it's crack11:20
danielsthey do the same for their monitors11:20
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fabbioneKamion: told... ya... faster to rewrite ;)11:20
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Kamionfabbione: I suck at GUI code, just warning you in advance11:21
TreenaksKamion: ask mvo :)11:22
Kamionaha, kudzu is packaged11:22
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azeemthe SuSE hardware detection stuff is packaged as well, btw11:22
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Treenaksisn't the suse hardware stuff called "a broken version of discover" ?11:23
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Mithrandirtreenaks: abvod?11:24
TreenaksMithrandir: hmm..11:24
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Kamionfabbione: I'm beginning to think you're right11:27
Kamionazeem: we don't actually want to *use* it; I'm just trying to get stuff to run so that I can look at it here11:27
azeemKamion: heh, I didn't accuse of it :)11:28
fabbioneKamion: so do i :-) we can switch to debconf ;)11:28
Kamionnot ... entirely convinced that's the best plan11:29
fabbionesomeone please kick the AP11:31
fabbioneno new connections are allowed11:31
thomnot an AP problem11:32
thomcan't, ISP has root not me11:32
fabbionethom: i said kick.. not root ;)11:34
Kamionfabbione: suggest that we might want to leave the UI until later, for this reason: it needs to have a lot of data about possible answers to questions in the installer (e.g. languages, countries, timezones), and we need to figure out a way to extract that automatically11:35
fabbioneKamion: agreed11:35
Kamionfabbione: and if we do the format translation tool first, that doesn't rely on arch imports of anything external ;)11:36
=== Mithrandir ponders upgrading vawad to hoary. Without rebooting. And throw and arch change into the process.
fabbioneMithrandir: don't :-)11:36
Mithrandirfabbione: why not?11:36
fabbioneis vawad already warty?11:37
Mithrandirnope, unstable11:37
fabbione(because we can't create new connections at the moment)11:37
fabbioneah damn11:37
fabbioneyou are in .no11:37
fabbionego ahead :-I11:37
Kamionoh, *that's* why my CVS checkouts are failing11:38
TreenaksNAT table crap?11:38
KamionI so need to have already packaged openssh 3.9, then I could tunnel through my existing ssh connection to home11:38
MithrandirKamion: that's called "screen" on the remote side. :)11:39
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KamionMithrandir: already running screen. not useful for getting a cvs checkout here11:39
fabbioneMithrandir: i think he mean that you can open an extra tunnel on top of an existing connection without opening a new one?11:39
Kamionyes, I do11:39
TreenaksKamion: zmodem-over-terminal ?11:39
MithrandirKamion: ah, oh, yeah.11:39
KamionTreenaks: falls in the "not fun" category11:40
fabbioneok it seems to be back11:40
Mithrandirjust run ppp inside the screen and run ppp-over-screen-over-ssh?11:40
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KamionMithrandir: still don't see how I'd connect to said ppp11:40
TreenaksKamion: /proc/<pid>/fd/{0,1,2}11:41
Kamionthe point is to allow me to tunnel over a connection that's already established, which requires cooperation from ssh ...11:41
KamionTreenaks: I'm already using those :P11:41
Kamionto type with ...11:41
MithrandirKamion: get ppp to talk to your ssh's stdin/stdout.11:42
KamionControlMaster/ControlPath is much nicer11:42
TreenaksOMG! You killed Kinnison!11:47
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=== azeem just found the Ubuntu review in this week's c't magazine (german)
Treenaksazeem: hey col12:19
Treenaksazeem: what's the verdict?12:19
azeemit's just 1/3 of a page though12:19
Kamionmdz: did you want to make *really* sure about not having webmin or something? it's in blacklist.security twice12:19
azeem"Debian ganz einfach" is the headline12:19
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azeemTreenaks: quite positive, though also quite superficial12:20
Kamionmdz: I'd like to figure out a way to move the blacklists to the seeds archive; it's wrong for them to be part of germinate, really12:20
azeemSuSE 9.2 and FC3 had three full pages together in one of the last editions12:20
Treenakswhat's so l33t about 9.2?12:21
azeemno idea, but SuSE is traditionally the most popular Linux distribution in germany, so I guess it makes sense that they take a closer look12:22
robtaylor_carlos, it WORKS12:23
robtaylor_accessd LIVES12:24
Treenakscue lightning & thunder12:24
carlosrobtaylor_: sjoerd told me that hald people is asking for such feature ;-)12:24
carlosso we need it in place as soon as possible12:24
carloscould you put it in arch?12:24
carlosrobtaylor_: or you still need to learn "baz add" ;-)12:24
robtaylor_well main work is in the dbus python bindings12:25
Treenaksa "baz for cvs junkies" would be nice12:25
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danielsmjg59: ah, the life of a student12:25
danielsmjg59: what bling have you got today?12:25
=== mjg59 then has to pay import duty on someone else's package
mjg59daniels: It's from Thinkgeek, but it's not for me12:25
robtaylor_carlos, shall i send you my dbus packages?12:26
carlosTreenaks: baz is having a face clean to be easily used by cvs/svn users12:26
Treenakscarlos: yay12:26
carlosrobtaylor_: yeah, please, send me a tar.gz will all the beast, I could commit it into our my archive if you are not able to do it yourself12:27
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robtaylor_carlos, well i might as well figure arch out ;)12:29
robtaylor_i'm just going to finish the example daemon12:29
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KinnisonHey Simira. How was the exam?12:33
SimiraI'm still breathing.12:33
SimiraDon't know, really. But I feel ok about it, and glad it's over12:33
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Simira:) *hugs back*12:34
Simiranow it's holidays for me12:34
Simirajust finishing christmas presents and stuff12:34
robtaylor_carlos, http://sourcecontrol.net/~rtaylor for new dbus12:34
danielsrobtaylor_: er, dude12:35
danielsthe freshest dbus is in hoary :)12:35
danielsthere's dbus CVS in hoary, and dbus-mono is just waiting on lamont to break mcs 1.0.4's circular build-dep12:36
carlosdaniels: so the patch from rob is in?12:36
danielscarlos: which one?12:37
carlosdaniels: the one about the python bindings12:37
lamont_rdaniels: you fixed the ftbfs then?12:37
robtaylor_daniels, thats my custom crack12:37
carlosrobtaylor: do you have your patch alone?12:38
robtaylor_just preparing it right now ;)12:38
danielsrobtaylor_: cool :)12:38
carlosrobtaylor: thanks12:38
danielslamont_r: the one that isn't in p.u.c/~lamont/buildLogs/d/dbus/0.22+cvs.200412122010-0ubuntu2/ ?12:39
lamont_rdaniels: one of the amusing issues with only seeing failure mails...12:39
danielslamont_r: heh :)12:39
robtaylor_carlos, http://sourcecontrol.net/~rtaylor/dbus-python-auth.diff12:39
danielsrobtaylor_: is that against cvs?12:40
robtaylor_daniels, yep12:40
robtaylor_as of about 0030 UTC last night12:40
robtaylor_(um.. i mean today ;) )12:40
carlosrobtaylor: we already have the getunixuser method, I was using it from the current bindings...12:40
carlosrobtaylor: let's move this to #accessd12:41
mdzKamion: I think a single entry in blacklist is sufficient12:44
mdzKamion: moving the blacklists into the seed archive sounds appropriate as well12:44
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fabbionemdz: what do you think would be a good name for a linux-source-almostcrackfotheday ?12:49
Mithrandirfabbione: linux-crack-crack-crack?12:49
Mithrandiror possibly linux-image-crack-crack-crack12:49
fabbionei need to make the orig.tar.gz indipendent from the version12:49
lamont_rlinux-source-crack sounds about right12:50
fabbionesince we can keep it uptodate via patches12:50
bob2mjg59: do you happen to know which scripts get run for APM events?12:50
fabbionelamont_r: yeah12:50
lamont_rthom: mono needs help on i386 and ppc, yes?12:50
mjg59bob2: /etc/apm/apm_proxy or some such crack12:51
lamont_rfabbione: better might be 'linux-source-bleeding-edge'12:51
mjg59The main issue with apm is that the Linux driver current has no way to reject events12:51
mjg59So when someone presses a sleep button, you're damn well going to sleep12:51
bob2mjg59: oh, heh, 'twas trying to disable sleep-on-lid-close12:51
mjg59Haha. Nope.12:51
Kinnisonmjg59: I've finished my first pass of tosh_acpi212:51
mjg59If it's a Thinkpad, you can probably do so with the thinkpad-modules stuff12:52
mjg59Kinnison: Fucking rock12:52
mjg59bob2: Alternatively, make the kernel work12:52
mjg59(you probably still won't be able to tell the difference between lid and suspend calls, but still)12:53
Kinnisonmjg59: So I have a set of acpi scripts/events for lock, brightness12:53
Kinnisonmjg59: and suspend/hibernate work12:53
bob2mjg59: hm, it's a t23, which apparently has unusable acpi support in addition to apm12:53
lamont_rdaniels: not that any of us care, but I have 77 build logs (failures) that mention -lXinerama - I expect that most of those are missing build-deps...12:54
mjg59bob2: Oh arse12:54
mjg59How unusable is the acpi?12:54
mjg59Kinnison: Hurray12:54
danielslamont_r: bounce me  alist12:54
mjg59Kinnison: And they work properly, rather than in a crack-addled manner?12:54
danielslamont_r: well, of the ones that should be fixed12:54
bob2mjg59: hm, seems the kernel blacklisted it12:56
mjg59bob2: Oh, because of an excessively old BIOS?12:56
bob2mjg59: sounds like it12:56
mjg59bob2: What does dmidecode say the BIOS date is?12:56
danielsacpi=force, yo12:56
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=== mgedmin currently runs debian with 2.4 kernel and with apm, where everything works
mjg59Hoary is going to have totally rad laptop support12:57
thomlamont_r: yes12:58
fabbionemjg59: do we need more kernel patches?12:59
haggailunch is about to be put out12:59
haggaimjg59: my software suspend is completely screwed too12:59
rossmgedmin: 2.6.9 works well with acpi on my X22, anything below that failed12:59
haggaiuh, hibernation12:59
fabbionelamont_r: i am more for linux-source-break-my-box-hard12:59
mgedminbob2: I have disabled suspend on lid close somehow on my t23; reguar suspend event (Fn+F4) still work01:00
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Simiraseens like I may get the insurance money for my camera, at least, even though I don't have the reciept or anything.01:00
mjg59haggai: How so?01:00
mgedminbob2: I don't remember if I did that with tpctl, with the bios, or if I booted to windows -- it was ages ago01:01
fabbionethat's it01:01
bob222:00:35      Nemesis__ |  Release Date: 05/08/200201:01
bob222:00:43      Nemesis__ |  Characteristics:01:01
bob222:00:56      Nemesis__ |  {PCI, PCMCIA, PNP, APM} is supported01:01
bob2mjg59: ^01:01
bob2Simira: oh, awesome01:01
mjg59bob2: Weird. I'd expect that to do acpi happily.01:01
rossi wonder if my desktop supports acpi suspend to disk01:01
mjg59ross: Define acpi suspend to disk01:02
mjg59S4OS (like swsusp) is the ACPI spec's preferred suspend to disk mechanism01:02
danielss4bios, yo01:02
mjg59S4BIOS is mostly deprecated01:02
danielsheh, yeah01:02
danielsmy omnibook *ostensibly* did s4bios, but in reality only did suspend-to-disk in apm01:03
rossmjg59: i'll be happy if i can suspend to disk, don't care how :)01:03
mjg59ross: swsusp ought to do it01:03
mjg59Oh, rock01:04
mjg59John Fremlin seems to have written apm event rejection code01:04
mjg59http://john.fremlin.de/programs/linux/offbutton/index.html - makes apm work like acpi01:05
haggaimjg59: repeated kernel oopses01:06
mjg59haggai: What sort?01:08
Kinnisonmjg59: I was pondering adding some code to power/disk.c to decide when it's not worth freeing memory any more01:08
mjg59Kinnison: Feel free01:08
Kinnisonmjg59: but since it takes forever for swsusp to decide how many pages to copy; I figured it'd be easier to let it free stuff01:08
mjg59Pavel's got various speedups for post 2.6.1001:08
mjg59haggai: When do you get the oopses and what do they look like?01:11
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fabbioneciao enrico !01:18
Simirahi enrico! In Taiwan?01:18
enricoHi everyone!01:18
enricoLanded safely and happily in Taiwan, spent the weekend to buy and setup the new laptop, now I'm alive online and kicking!01:19
fabbionehey Simira 01:19
Simirabuy me a new cam as well?01:19
teoenrico, new Laptop? :)01:19
Simirahi fabbione01:19
thomciao enrico. are you a member of the X40 cabal now?01:19
mjg59We had 3 X40 people in the pub yesterday01:20
enricothom: TINC!01:20
enrico(what is a X40?)01:20
mjg59Ubuntu's favourite laptop01:21
HcEIBM ThinkPad X40 :love:01:21
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elmomjg59: freaking cult01:23
=== Simira also wants one!
danielselmo: one of us ... one of us ... one of us ... one of us ...01:23
TreenaksJust.. the.. two of you?01:25
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haggaimjg59: during lots of dots, not sure what exactly it is doing.  I couldn't use the hibernate.sh script at all - the display was turned off.  I had to do it by echo -n disk >/sys/power/state01:30
haggaimjg59: seemed to be oopsing in the scheduler01:31
jdubmjg59: dude, you had an acpi-support 0.10 in your archive a while ago, and now it's 0.9+mjg... -> turns out that's why my suspend to ram sucked01:31
jdubmjg59: now it's *awesome*, and very fast01:31
mjg59Ah, right01:33
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mjg59haggai: If you could extract the oops, that would be rad01:34
enricoThis thing runs Linux so well!01:34
mjg59haggai: If you want to use the script, then comment out the dpms off call01:34
mjg59jdub: No excessively dodgy graphical glitches?01:34
jdubmjg59: not really, no01:36
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jdubmjg59: some times a double X refresh01:36
jdubhey enrico 01:36
enricojdub: hey!01:36
mjg59jdub: Yeah, you'll get that at the moment01:36
mjg59jdub: Can you try disabling Option VBERestore and see if it still works?01:37
danielsjdub: yeah, the vbe mode switch is bong01:37
danielsmjg59: you'll sometimes get straight mode switches doing that01:37
danielsmjg59: it's random afaict01:37
mjg59daniels: ?01:37
mjg59Oh, right01:37
danielsmode switch will sometimes switch to nothing, backlight comes on, flashes off, whole screen flashes, backlight cycles again, screen flashes twice, and it's switched01:37
danielshaven't been able to find a pattern yet01:38
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jdubhmm, ok, commented01:39
jdubwill see what happens next time01:40
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danielsMithrandir: hmm, so is /usr/X11R6/lib32/libGL.so* a diversion already?01:46
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daniels                rm -f /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a01:49
daniels                rm -f /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a01:49
danielsoh man, nvidia-glx is so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, wrong01:49
Mithrandirdaniels: I don't think so?01:51
danielsMithrandir: ok, I think I know how to do it now01:52
Kamionnvidia-glx-wrong.so.so.so.so.so.so.so.so.so.so.so.so # because sonames are good01:52
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MithrandirKamion: that's true.01:53
Kamionusing the secret teleporter between rooms, apparently01:53
thomKamion: it's magic01:53
Keybuk .la, a note to follow .so01:53
KinnisonThrow the ball hard enough and it tunnels through the wall01:53
Treenaksquantum tunnels?01:53
jdubKeybuk: that's the funniest hacker joke EVER01:54
Kamion Goodness gracious, great balls of foil01:54
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Keybukby feeding them chocolate?01:54
thomi vote we kill every one involved with libtool, and their children, and their childrens children, lo unto the third generation01:54
KamionKeybuk: yes please01:54
KinnisonKamion: come get some01:54
KeybukKamion: Kinniwinni has some01:54
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Treenaksogra: hey, you back in northern europe yet? :)01:55
ograTreenaks: everything is frozen here :( 01:56
Treenaksogra: here as well...01:56
Treenaks-1C in Amsterdam01:56
Keybukyou're home now?01:56
TreenaksKeybuk: I've been home for the last 2 days01:57
ograthats how -4 looks like http://www.grawert.net/131204%20000.jpg02:00
jdubpitti: i don't think it's worth bothering with a system polypaudio daemon02:00
jdubhey ogra 02:00
ograguys... STAY where you are !02:00
pittijdub: why not? are several parallel instances work together well?02:00
jdubogra: i'll be going back to summer :)02:00
pittiogra: Hi ogra02:00
pittiogra: had a nice trip?02:01
mvohi ogra 02:01
ograyep....was so tired....the night before was to long :)02:01
jdubpitti: not really, will chat to you about it later02:01
ograhi mvo02:01
jdubpitti: it's really designed to be a user daemon02:01
haggaihas anyone got a serial cable with them?02:20
haggaifor logging oops stuff02:20
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danielsdpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of libfglrx_gamma.1 not recognized02:24
danielsdaniels@catsby:~/canonical/kernel/l-r-m/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-2.6.9/debian% find ./ -name libfglrx_gamma.102:25
danielsdaniels@catsby:~/canonical/kernel/l-r-m/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-2.6.9/debian% 02:25
pittiamu: I can reproduce the mtr crash in my debug version02:25
danielsMithrandir: ping02:28
Simiradaniels: he has to leave for his exam now02:29
danielsSimira: ahr, wish him good luck02:29
SimiraI will02:29
danielsSimira: cheers02:29
Simira(guess he's not left, and reads this, though)02:29
danielsany hoary nvidia-glx users around?02:30
thomMithrandir: 'luck, dude02:30
danielsMithrandir: g'luck!02:30
Mithrandirdaniels: pong02:33
Mithrandirhaven't left yet.02:34
MithrandirI'll be off in a couple of minutes, though02:34
danielsah, rad02:35
danielsjust wanting you to test some nvidia stuff and optionally borrow root on your machine to test out some wacky x stuff involving relinking the nvidia driver so we can load it with libgl, but concentrate on your exam :)02:35
Mithrandirsure, I'll prod you when I'm back.02:37
danielscheers dude02:37
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TreenaksSimira: didn't you have exams as well? 02:37
SimiraTreenaks: yes, I'm done, luckily02:37
TreenaksSimira: did they go well?02:37
Simirathat remains to see, Treenaks. I hope I won't fail (again).02:38
Simirathere were some hard questions, but I also managed some.02:38
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fabbioneapplying patch 0000_2.6.9_to_2.6.10rc3 to ./ ... ok.02:51
fabbioneapplying patch 0001_2.6.10rc3_to_2.6.10rc3bk7 to ./ ...02:51
fabbioneMUHA UHA UHA02:51
danielsif anyone wants sheer crack, please test 157/~daniels/xorg/*.deb02:53
danielsthat's a libdl-based loader with speed hacks02:53
mjg59fabbione: CRACK.02:53
mjg59But cool crack, regardless02:53
mjg59fabbione: There's lots of new shit in .10 that wants to be switched on02:53
mjg59(intelfb would be a good start)02:53
danielsooo, intelfb02:53
fabbionemjg59: these will be linux-source-bleeding-edge02:54
mjg59And ibm-acpi02:54
fabbioneand when there is a major release we will just branch stable from that one02:54
fabbionewince patches will be already in sync02:55
fabbionemuch easier than handling major release each time02:55
danielsah, the xorg debs there are broken, don't worry about it02:58
mjg59thom: Something has just sprung to mind02:59
thommjg59: oh?03:00
mjg59thom: acpid serialises events, so if there are multiple power events occuring more than once every 5 seconds, power.sh will have a pile of events to flush03:00
mjg59So if you attempt to suspend, you'll have to wait ages for them to get through the system03:00
mjg59It probably wants a lockfile and to background itself03:01
thomso what, enter power.sh, lock, background, ignore everything else until you finish? what will acpid do with events that come through while it runs? store them and retry when power.sh comes back?03:02
mjg59enter power.sh, lock, background, sleep, remove lockfile03:03
mjg59power.sh events that are run while the lockfile is there should just exit03:03
mjg59anything else shouldn't check the power.sh lockfile03:03
thomsounds like a plan03:04
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Treenaksmjg59: that sounds like it might fix my "resuspend on wakeup" problem :)03:10
lamont_rfabbione: any cryptoloop related hackery in our 2.6.9 kernels?03:11
danielsanyone here use the nvidia binary driver?03:11
Treenakslamont_r: wasn't cryptoloop deprecated in favor of dm-crypt?03:12
lamont_rTreenaks: prolly - not relavant to the bug I'm working on though03:12
fabbionelamont_r: we support it, meaning that it is in the vanilla kernel. we don't have any extra patch on top of it03:13
lamont_rfabbione: that was the question03:15
daniels... yes03:16
Treenaksthom: we know03:16
mjg59thom: You've mailed the private key again?03:17
thommjg59: :P03:17
thomno, no03:17
thomnot quite that level of stupid03:17
daniels< thom> does anyone know how to make a revocation certificate?03:17
mjg59thom: What have you done, then?03:18
thommjg59: just forgotten to handle the upgrade case in portmap correctly03:18
thomeven though there was a big note in the bug to remind me to do so03:18
thombugzilla needs blink tags03:18
mjg59thom sucks03:19
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TreenaksPeople, a Dutch user just sent me a huge "Thank you" mail praising ubuntu etc. :)03:21
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thommdz: 14:16 < thom> I AM SO STUPID IT HURTS03:23
mdzthom: context?03:26
danielsmdz: portmap03:26
thomfixing now03:28
mdzSubject: apt_0.6.27_source.changes ACCEPTED03:28
Treenaksthat's the signature-checking one?03:28
mdzonce it's built, python-apt, synaptic and aptitude need rebuilds03:29
danielsnice :)03:30
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Treenaksmjg59: when will your acpi-support package be in hoary proper?03:34
danielsTreenaks: funny you should mention that -- i'm working on it now03:35
Treenaksdaniels: coolness03:36
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lamont_rit's not a circular build-dep, it's a self-build-dep03:45
azeemdoes it make notes during the build?03:45
danielslamont_r: either way, lucky you! ;)03:46
thomno, it's circular, innit?03:46
danielsthom: circular is foo -> bar -> foo03:46
thommcs -> mono -> mcs03:47
thommdz: fixed now, anyway03:49
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lamont_rthom: mcs is the source for mono-assemblies-base03:55
lamont_rwhich Depends: mono-jit03:55
thomyes, and the build dep is on mono-util, which is out of mono03:55
lamont_rreally.  hrm.03:55
lamont_ranyway, not a big issue, just being a PITA.03:55
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SimiraA pink cow!03:57
TreenaksSimira: drugs are bad, m'kay?03:57
Treenaks(says the person who works above a coffee shop in Amsterdam)03:57
Simira(my sister started using Ubuntu yesterday, because she fancied the Bouncing cow. And now her boyfriend has made her a pink-with-white-heart-texture for it)03:57
SimiraTreenaks: you should know then03:58
fabbioneKamion: ping03:58
mjg59daniels: Mm?03:58
Simirafabbione: Want a pink cow?03:58
fabbioneSimira: ehehhe03:58
mjg59daniels: What's up?03:59
fabbioneKamion: there is Jesus installing ubuntu on his ppc and it is doing some weird stuff in base-config03:59
fabbioneKamion: mind to come down and take a look03:59
TreenaksJesus uses ubuntu?03:59
Treenaksdo the Americans know?03:59
azeemMr T uses Ubuntu!!103:59
danielsmjg59: 03:59
danielsNew version specified (1.0.4-1ubuntu2) is less than03:59
danielsthe current version number (1.0.4-1ubuntu1+mjg59-1)!03:59
KeybukUBUNTU SAVES!03:59
mjg59Oh. That's unfortunate.03:59
Keybuk1.0.4 << 1.0.4-1ubuntu1+mjg5904:00
sid77AND ONLY TAKES HALF DAMAGE! (damn d'n'd infiltration)04:00
Treenakscall it 1.0.5 and be done with it?04:00
daniels... except it wouldn't be 1.0.5?04:00
Keybukchildren, repeat after me ... "the last hyphen separates the upstream version and Debian revision"04:00
mjg59Yeah, should have been mjg59104:01
mjg59Sorry about that04:01
Treenaksdaniels: or just put 1: in front :)04:01
danielsno epoch04:02
danielsmjg59: so are your scripts working sufficiently well to be the default?04:02
danielsmjg59: i'm thinking of uploading your acpi-support plus a couple of sleeps around the chvt plus acpid04:02
mjg59daniels: Ok, rock04:03
mjg59They ought to be fine04:03
mjg59But ideally I'd merge the support tools into videotool first04:03
mdzAHEM: if you're on the Ubuntu team and you're downstairs in the ballroom, you ought to be upstairs in the BOF room04:03
danielsmjg59: ah, right04:03
mjg59Which I /might/ get done this evening04:04
danielsi thought it was already merged?04:05
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Kamionif anyone's still downstairs, can they tell Jesus Climent that I'll be down after this BOF?04:06
mjg59daniels: No, I did the ITP but haven't written the code04:06
mjg59(bad matthew)04:06
danielsheh, ahr :)04:07
rossdoes jesus still have his girl's phone?04:07
thomthe phone rocks04:07
thomno dissing of the dasherphone04:07
pascKamion: he's just gone up04:08
danielsringringringringringringringring bananaphone04:08
rossit's interesting, i'll give it that04:09
Keybukdaniels: the problem with them making the default is that they don't fail gracefully for people without suspend support04:09
danielsKeybuk: correct, but it's not the default action04:09
thoms/(them) (making)/\2 \1/04:09
danielsi.e. lid !-> suspend04:09
Keybukdaniels: last time I looked, hibernate was the default for the power button04:09
mjg59We need gdmflexiserver support for suspend and hibernate, too04:09
mjg59Keybuk: hibernate ought to work for pretty much everyone04:10
thomyup, that's on the list04:10
Keybukdoesn't work for me :-/04:10
mjg59Keybuk: What, hibernate?04:10
mjg59In what way?04:11
Keybukdoesn't even sleep04:11
mjg59It's not meant to sleep04:11
mjg59It's meant to power off04:11
Keybukit doesn't do that either04:11
Keybukjust crashes a bunch of panel applets04:11
mjg59What does dmesg say?04:11
mjg59(Given that this is going to be enabled by default, having bug reports would be nice)04:11
Keybuknothing notable04:12
mjg59So your entire bug report is that it doesn't work and dmesg contains nothing notable?04:12
KeybukI'm a little busy right now, will crash my laptop later04:12
mjg59Ok, no problem04:12
Keybukcan turn on mondo-debugging and see what I get04:14
danielsthat's not the umount -l / thing?04:14
Keybukit looked like it decided not to continue with the suspend and resumed04:14
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fabbioneKeybuk: so during the next week someone will start importing kernel tarballs04:14
Keybukfabbione: give me 10 minutes to finish the current conversation04:14
elmothom: how does that -ubuntu3 change not violate the GoldenRule ?04:15
elmothom: sorry, genuninely not trolling and/or trying to be awkard, but it's a change that opens port, and it's being done semi-unconditionally04:15
thomelmo: you mean ubuntu2? that's what ubuntu3 is for04:17
thomsee "SO STUPID IT HURTS" comments04:18
thomelmo: 2 removed the defaults file, 3 puts it back for people upgrading from older versions04:19
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mxpxpodgood job on the panel menu04:27
mxpxpodit looks very nice04:28
thommjg59: btw, mind if I reassing 3256 to you?04:28
mjg59thom: Oh, sure04:29
mjg59It ought to be pretty much fixed at the moment, though04:29
thomyup, 's'what i figured04:31
thomelmo: did that explanation make sense?04:33
thommjg59: any thought on doing 4501 better?04:36
elmothom: well, I'm horribly confused now - I notice it's conditional on /etc/default/portmap not existing, but it does in debian sid and ubuntu warty, so I'm confused as to how this postinst change'll ever really be applied.. in any event my original complaint was clearly bogus, so just ignore me04:36
thomelmo: debian/default was shipped in the package, is not any longer, so that goes away during unpacking. if we're upgrading and it's not there, we recreate it04:37
mjg59thom: Check ownership of /tmp/.Xwhatever instead?04:37
mxpxpodwhere are the build logs for mono for powerpc?04:37
mjg59Hrm. No, they're owned by root04:38
thommxpxpod: lamont is looking at mono currently, should get resolved soon (people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/m{cs,ono}04:38
mjg59thom: Nothing springs to mind04:38
mxpxpodthom: awesome, thanks04:38
lamont_rthom/mxpxpod: i386 will happen shortly, ppc will take a little longer...04:39
mxpxpodlamont_r: how long, roughly?04:40
lamont_rmxpxpod: step 1) get powerpc sid binaries where the buildd can fetch them, or (1a) give up and manually copy them around... I'm trying to be lazy...04:42
mxpxpodlamont_r: hehe, I don't blame you... I'll quit bugging you so you can work on it04:42
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danielsmataro people who want to test shiny new fastish x.org: deb xorg/05:04
thomdoes it work now?05:04
danielsthom: yah05:05
danielsnot with fglrx or nvidia binary driver atm tho05:05
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fabbionedaniels: we need to prepare some slides :-)05:15
fabbioneor at least go into details on what to talk05:16
fabbionelike "The undiscussed importance of /var/log/Xorg.0.log"05:16
jdubwho noticed that my fly was open before lunch?05:16
thomyou may be very upset to learn that i really don't look at your crotch. ever.05:17
azeemeverybody who watched the Theora stream, I'd guess05:17
fabbionejdub: in italy we say "Open fly... dead bird inside..."05:19
fabbionenow get it ;)05:19
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thomyou iye-teyes are nuts.05:22
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mvowhere can I lock my screen with the new menu?05:47
seb128mvo, System menu05:48
mvoit's not here, am I missing a package?05:48
seb128no, just killall gnome-panel05:48
seb128there is a bug05:48
seb128the menu is refreshed sometimes and the special entries are not added again05:49
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mvoahhhhh ... back again! nice :) thanks seb128 05:49
seb128vuntz is hidding since this morning, I'm wondering if he did that on purpose and just run away while laughing on the number that will ask what's going on with the panel package :)05:50
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sivangHi everybody!05:58
Simirahi sivang06:03
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Treenakshey siv06:08
sivangTreenaks : I don't have the flash pluging working :-/06:12
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thomGRAH, sorting bugs by number is so much less useful than sorting them by severity it makes my ears bleed06:29
danielsthom: or status, even better06:31
thomurgh, no06:31
danielsit's useful when you're good about sorting06:32
danielsnew/assigned/needinfo/pendingupload is an awesome metric for my bug list06:32
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thomdaniels: i mean for the default06:35
danielsoh, fo'sho06:35
thomi just blew away my .gnome*06:35
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truluxdoko, ping06:35
danielsthom: oops.06:35
thombecuase i had so much CRACK in my session06:35
thomit took minutes to log in06:36
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seb128thom, ~/.gnome2/session is the session06:39
thomyeah, i was bored06:39
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lamont_rthom: where should I send the build log for the (FTBFS) mono?07:31
thomlamont_r: still ftbfs? on x86 and ppc,or?07:31
fabbionelamont_r: /dev/null07:31
lamont_rx86.  I expect that ppc is a tomorrow thing.07:32
fabbionelinux-source-bleeding-edge_2.6-10rc3bk7.diff.  54% 5056KB  46.1KB/s   01:32 ETA07:32
thomlamont_r: /me looks around and points at fabbione. i'm sure he cares07:32
fabbionethom: uh why do i care?07:32
lamont_ranyway, actually mcs that's failing - build log should hit people.u.c in about 5 minutes07:33
fabbionelamont_r: did mono enter main or something?07:33
lamont_rfabbione: nah - it has build-deps that needed love07:34
lamont_rs/needed/need/ :-)07:34
fabbionelinux-source-bleeding-edge_2.6.orig.tar.gz     11% 5124KB  51.8KB/s   12:48 ETA07:35
fabbioneMUHA MUHA MUHA07:35
robtaylor_well.. time for me to start saying my goodbyes...07:43
fabbionelamont_r: mind to try to build wvstream on perfectly clean hoary chroot? i really can't understand why it doesn't build on sparc07:47
mjg59fabbione: You've got all the ubuntu patches ported to that?07:52
fabbionemjg59: yup07:54
fabbionei need to workaround some packaging limitation atm07:54
fabbione./debian/make-substvars linux version.Debian debian/monolith/list 07:54
fabbioneLine 1: patch patch-bleeding-edge-10rc3bk7 is not well-founded07:54
fabbionePatch for 2.6-10rc3bk7 must be listed07:54
fabbionestuff like this07:54
mjg59fabbione: Fucking rock.07:55
mjg59I'll play with that later.07:55
fabbionemjg59: it's not uploaded yet07:55
fabbionei need to sync the config files first07:56
fabbionethat will take sometime07:56
fabbionei will do the first upload tomorrow07:56
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KinnisonHow was the perl conference?08:11
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cenerentolakinnison: ...well very nice..08:13
Kinnisoncenerentola: did you meet ermintrude?08:13
cenerentolauntil "Python for perl programmers"08:13
cenerentolano, mate.08:14
danielsword to the stars08:14
Keybukword up to the mataro massive08:14
Kinnisoncenerentola: Michael Stevens?08:14
danielshttp:// - goldnsoulja - el presidente.mp308:15
danielsthese guys make goldie lookin' chain look like professionals; it's free to redistribute, etc, etc08:15
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danielsKeybuk: failure to care08:16
Kinnisondaniels: Also dude... RFC1918 address on a global IRC channel08:16
danielsKinnison: lots of those flying around lately08:17
sladendaniels: Works for Me(tm)08:17
Kinnisondaniels: heh08:17
mjg59I will TUNNEL into your network using IRC08:21
KinnisonNSTX gone bad08:24
danielsip-over-irc, hmm08:24
danielsthat's a pretty awesome idea08:24
Treenaksdaniels: irc-over-ip-over-irc08:24
Treenaksetc. ad infinitum08:24
danielsTreenaks: well, yeah08:24
danielsi'm not suggesting we transition the entire internet to this08:25
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mjg59"You've found a bug that only appears if your environment does not contain the variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH. To fix it, set that variable to some value, such as "/usr/lib"."08:28
mjg59NO NO NO08:28
mjg59Some people shouldn't be allowed to write code08:29
mxpxpodlamont_r: how comes the mono stuff?08:29
thommxpxpod: it's broken08:30
mxpxpodthom: I know, but lamont_r was working on it earlier... so I was wondering how he was coming with it08:30
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lamont_rmxpxpod: there is a new build log for mcs.  someone needs to fix that.08:32
thomit's still broken08:33
fabbionedid anybody received mails about PGP global directory something08:34
fabbioneand in detail.. who the hell are they to mail me?08:34
lamont_rmxpxpod: it's universe... I have enough work that dealing with nudging build-dep loops out of the way still fits in the job description, but actually working on the package is out-of-scope for me right now.08:34
lamont_rfabbione: yeah, they're sending them out.08:35
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fabbionelamont_r: and nobody reported them as spammers?08:35
fabbione+ their engine is not ven clever enough to recognize expired/revoked uid08:36
haggaicalc: I see you're here.  I created #kubuntu-devel for the KDE stuff08:36
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lamont_rfabbione: that may be why I didn't get them..08:37
fabbionelamont_r: they flood all the uid on the key08:37
fabbionethey will arrive to you too08:37
fabbionei am not going to click on the links08:39
fabbioneif they want the key they will import it themself08:39
fabbionewithout considering that it is soo buggy08:40
fabbioneit missed one valid uid on one of my key08:40
fabbioneand it reports that my key has been signed by 985 persons08:40
fabbionethat it's not true08:40
fabbionebecuase it didn't do a uniq id sig check08:40
fabbionefood bof :-)08:41
Kamion19:40 < joeyh> -extern struct tty_ldisc ldiscs[] ;08:42
Kamion19:40 < joeyh> +extern struct tty_ldisc tty_ldiscs[] ;08:42
Kamionapparently that's the source of a kernel ABI break08:42
Kamiondo we have that?08:42
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lamont_rmono is ftbfs in a current sid chroot.. Go Debian!09:00
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mjg59daniels: Your livejournal confuses me09:16
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shayais there a good way to disable gpg checking for apt repositories that don't have it so I dont get a warning each time?10:24
shayanever mind10:32
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Mithrandiris thumb broken with .tif files for anybody but me?11:52

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