[12:05] <robtaylor|mataro> Kinnison, you awake?
[12:05] <Kinnison> yes
[12:06] <robtaylor|mataro> Kinnison, any idea how the generation of dbus_bindings.pyx works?
[12:06] <Kinnison> deep voodoo magic
[12:06] <robtaylor|mataro> hmm
[12:07] <robtaylor|mataro> its all a bit odd. it seems to use cpp to pull in c fn definites but its not pulling in things with are *next to each other* in the header file :/
[12:08] <robtaylor|mataro> moo
[12:08] <robtaylor|mataro> hmm. maybe its only pulling in stuff thats used
[12:09] <Kinnison> perhaps
[12:09] <Kinnison> anyway; I'm off for a shower and then bed
[12:13] <mjg59> haggai: Hrm. Irritating.
[12:13] <mjg59> Can you file a bug with lspci and lsmod output?
[12:18] <haggai> mjg59: ok
[12:19] <mjg59> haggai: Thanks!
[12:50] <kylem> do you guys have your kernel packages in version control somewhere?
[12:58] <RubenV> hmmm, why isn't upgrade-notifier built with DBUS?
[08:48] <Kinnison> Morning
[09:00] <davyd_> daniels ; around?
[09:00] <davyd_> how does X autoconfigure itself in Ubuntu?
[09:00] <thom> davyd_: he's not emerged yet
[09:01] <davyd_> thom ; you don't happen to know the answer do you? ;)
[09:02] <thom> davyd_: there's a program called xresprobe - it does a mad combination of log greppery, dmi and guessing
[09:04] <davyd_> thom ; is it in straight debian? I am trying to get my new Linux based terminal server client to boot
[09:09] <daniels> davyd_: sup?
[09:10] <daniels> davyd_: nope, it's ubuntu-specific and a little bit of a hack
[09:10] <davyd_> daniels ; hmm, all I need is a script to write out a config
[09:10] <davyd_> your xresprobe works
[09:10] <davyd_> do you have a script to wrap that?
[09:11] <daniels> davyd_: hmmm, not really, sorry
[09:11] <daniels> the config is all debconf crack
[09:12] <daniels> davyd_: if you run that, that should give you the values you need
[09:12] <davyd_> daniels ; yeah
[09:12] <davyd_> on the other hand, Debian doesn't seem to want to write me an X config at all
[09:12] <lamont_r> missing -lXres on ia64
[09:13] <lamont_r> ENOMSG :-(
[09:15] <fabbione> daniels: i did send you a mail about xrestop
[09:15] <fabbione> with the build logs
[09:25] <jdub> morning davyd_ 
[09:28] <daniels> fabbione: yeah, but this was actually a ftbfs in gnome :)
[09:59] <haggai> ouch my laptop looses serious time when suspended
[10:00] <thom> i thought mjg59 had fixed his scripts to reset the system clock from hardware
[10:00] <thom> when you come out
[10:04] <pitti> elmo: is there an i386 machine with a hoary dchroot (glibc build-deps)?
[10:12] <haggai> thom: hmm I should check if that gets run properly
[10:23] <seb128> is somebody working on fixing mono in hoary ?
[10:23] <thom> seb128: lamont will be kicking it soonish
[10:24] <thom> it's a circular build dep
[10:24] <seb128> ok
[10:24] <seb128> I'm waiting to install tomboy for one week now :p
[10:25] <Treenaks> thomboy?
[10:25] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: thomboy is called thombot, tomboy is wiki-for-the-desktop.
[10:25] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: I know what tomboy is :)
[10:25] <seb128> I think nobody did this joke before
[10:25] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: how were the exams?
[10:25] <fabbione> yeah but the real name of thom is : Thom 'I slice my fingers' May
[10:26] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: not until 1500, it seems.
[10:30] <Mithrandir> seb128: any idea why nautilus in unstable doesn't show the right icons?  They all look like one sheet of paper
[10:31] <seb128> Mithrandir, gnome-settings-daemon is running ?
[10:31] <chrisa> Mithrandir: gnome-settings-daemon isn't running
[10:37] <Mithrandir> seb128: ah, ok, thx
[10:41] <Kamion> fabbione: compare http://www.suse.de/~nashif/autoinstall/9.1/html/importkickstart.html
[10:41] <Kamion> SuSE seems to be a bit schizophrenic in exactly what it supports
[10:42] <Treenaks> SuSE is crackhead stuff
[10:42] <Treenaks> (and I know.. I'm using it at work.. because the "support" oracle..)
[10:44] <fabbione> Kamion: i suggest a new approach
[10:44] <fabbione> Kamion
[10:44] <fabbione> Kamion: we reengineer the entire kickstart crap to be nice and dandy
[10:45] <fabbione> and we push it to the other distro
[10:46] <Kamion> fabbione: hm ... elegant, reliable, on time, pick any two ... ;)
[10:46] <fabbione> Kamion: eheh
[10:47] <Kamion> not sure what I think the best approach is yet; more research to do
[10:47] <fabbione> i agree
[11:04] <Kamion> most of the use of rhpl is its translate library
[11:04] <Kamion> which appears to be a not-entirely-trivial wrapper around python's gettext library
[11:06] <Kamion> there's always the option of just packaging up rhpl, of course
[11:07] <Kamion> which I'm tempted to do anyway so that I can test the thing unmodified
[11:11] <Kamion> hmm. has iconv.py been replaced with something else?
[11:14] <Kamion> never mind, I'm just confused
[11:20] <Kamion> fabbione: ./keyboard.py:25:import kudzu
[11:20] <Kamion> ./keyboard.py:44:       list = kudzu.probe(kudzu.CLASS_KEYBOARD, kudzu.BUS_UNSPEC,
[11:20] <Kamion> ./keyboard.py:45:                          kudzu.PROBE_ONE)
[11:20] <Kamion> yay for RH stuff
[11:20] <thom> *yart*
[11:20] <daniels> Kamion: yeah, it's crack
[11:20] <daniels> they do the same for their monitors
[11:20] <fabbione> Kamion: told... ya... faster to rewrite ;)
[11:21] <Kamion> fabbione: I suck at GUI code, just warning you in advance
[11:22] <Treenaks> Kamion: ask mvo :)
[11:22] <Kamion> aha, kudzu is packaged
[11:22] <azeem> the SuSE hardware detection stuff is packaged as well, btw
[11:23] <thom> yeah
[11:23] <Treenaks> isn't the suse hardware stuff called "a broken version of discover" ?
[11:24] <Mithrandir> treenaks: abvod?
[11:24] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: hmm..
[11:27] <Kamion> fabbione: I'm beginning to think you're right
[11:27] <Kamion> azeem: we don't actually want to *use* it; I'm just trying to get stuff to run so that I can look at it here
[11:28] <azeem> Kamion: heh, I didn't accuse of it :)
[11:28] <fabbione> Kamion: so do i :-) we can switch to debconf ;)
[11:29] <Kamion> not ... entirely convinced that's the best plan
[11:30] <fabbione> ehhe
[11:31] <fabbione> someone please kick the AP
[11:31] <fabbione> no new connections are allowed
[11:32] <thom> not an AP problem
[11:32] <fabbione> s/AP/gw
[11:32] <thom> can't, ISP has root not me
[11:34] <fabbione> thom: i said kick.. not root ;)
[11:35] <Kamion> fabbione: suggest that we might want to leave the UI until later, for this reason: it needs to have a lot of data about possible answers to questions in the installer (e.g. languages, countries, timezones), and we need to figure out a way to extract that automatically
[11:35] <fabbione> Kamion: agreed
[11:36] <Kamion> fabbione: and if we do the format translation tool first, that doesn't rely on arch imports of anything external ;)
[11:36] <fabbione> Mithrandir: don't :-)
[11:36] <Mithrandir> fabbione: why not?
[11:37] <fabbione> is vawad already warty?
[11:37] <Mithrandir> nope, unstable
[11:37] <fabbione> (because we can't create new connections at the moment)
[11:37] <fabbione> ah damn
[11:37] <fabbione> you are in .no
[11:37] <fabbione> go ahead :-I
[11:38] <Kamion> oh, *that's* why my CVS checkouts are failing
[11:38] <Treenaks> NAT table crap?
[11:38] <Kamion> I so need to have already packaged openssh 3.9, then I could tunnel through my existing ssh connection to home
[11:39] <Mithrandir> Kamion: that's called "screen" on the remote side. :)
[11:39] <Kamion> Mithrandir: already running screen. not useful for getting a cvs checkout here
[11:39] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i think he mean that you can open an extra tunnel on top of an existing connection without opening a new one?
[11:39] <Kamion> yes, I do
[11:39] <Treenaks> Kamion: zmodem-over-terminal ?
[11:39] <Mithrandir> Kamion: ah, oh, yeah.
[11:40] <Kamion> Treenaks: falls in the "not fun" category
[11:40] <fabbione> ok it seems to be back
[11:40] <Mithrandir> just run ppp inside the screen and run ppp-over-screen-over-ssh?
[11:40] <Kamion> Mithrandir: still don't see how I'd connect to said ppp
[11:41] <Treenaks> Kamion: /proc/<pid>/fd/{0,1,2}
[11:41] <Kamion> the point is to allow me to tunnel over a connection that's already established, which requires cooperation from ssh ...
[11:41] <Kamion> Treenaks: I'm already using those :P
[11:41] <Kamion> to type with ...
[11:42] <Mithrandir> Kamion: get ppp to talk to your ssh's stdin/stdout.
[11:42] <Kamion> ControlMaster/ControlPath is much nicer
[11:47] <Treenaks> OMG! You killed Kinnison!
[12:10] <mgedmin_> http://wiki.gnuarch.org/moin.cgi/BazaarMockupUI
[12:19] <Treenaks> azeem: hey col
[12:19] <Treenaks> +o
[12:19] <Treenaks> azeem: what's the verdict?
[12:19] <azeem> it's just 1/3 of a page though
[12:19] <Kamion> mdz: did you want to make *really* sure about not having webmin or something? it's in blacklist.security twice
[12:19] <azeem> "Debian ganz einfach" is the headline
[12:20] <azeem> Treenaks: quite positive, though also quite superficial
[12:20] <Kamion> mdz: I'd like to figure out a way to move the blacklists to the seeds archive; it's wrong for them to be part of germinate, really
[12:20] <azeem> SuSE 9.2 and FC3 had three full pages together in one of the last editions
[12:21] <Treenaks> what's so l33t about 9.2?
[12:22] <azeem> no idea, but SuSE is traditionally the most popular Linux distribution in germany, so I guess it makes sense that they take a closer look
[12:23] <robtaylor_> carlos, it WORKS
[12:24] <robtaylor_> accessd LIVES
[12:24] <Treenaks> cue lightning & thunder
[12:24] <carlos> robtaylor_: sjoerd told me that hald people is asking for such feature ;-)
[12:24] <carlos> so we need it in place as soon as possible
[12:24] <carlos> could you put it in arch?
[12:24] <carlos> robtaylor_: or you still need to learn "baz add" ;-)
[12:25] <robtaylor_> well main work is in the dbus python bindings
[12:25] <Treenaks> a "baz for cvs junkies" would be nice
[12:25] <daniels> mjg59: ah, the life of a student
[12:25] <daniels> mjg59: what bling have you got today?
[12:25] <mjg59> daniels: It's from Thinkgeek, but it's not for me
[12:26] <daniels> oops
[12:26] <daniels> arh
[12:26] <robtaylor_> carlos, shall i send you my dbus packages?
[12:26] <carlos> Treenaks: baz is having a face clean to be easily used by cvs/svn users
[12:26] <Treenaks> carlos: yay
[12:27] <carlos> robtaylor_: yeah, please, send me a tar.gz will all the beast, I could commit it into our my archive if you are not able to do it yourself
[12:29] <robtaylor_> carlos, well i might as well figure arch out ;)
[12:29] <robtaylor_> i'm just going to finish the example daemon
[12:30] <carlos> ok
[12:33] <Kinnison> Hey Simira. How was the exam?
[12:33] <Simira> I'm still breathing.
[12:33] <Simira> Don't know, really. But I feel ok about it, and glad it's over
[12:34] <Simira> :) *hugs back*
[12:34] <Simira> now it's holidays for me
[12:34] <Simira> just finishing christmas presents and stuff
[12:34] <robtaylor_> carlos, http://sourcecontrol.net/~rtaylor for new dbus
[12:35] <daniels> robtaylor_: er, dude
[12:35] <daniels> the freshest dbus is in hoary :)
[12:36] <daniels> there's dbus CVS in hoary, and dbus-mono is just waiting on lamont to break mcs 1.0.4's circular build-dep
[12:36] <carlos> daniels: so the patch from rob is in?
[12:37] <daniels> carlos: which one?
[12:37] <carlos> daniels: the one about the python bindings
[12:37] <lamont_r> daniels: you fixed the ftbfs then?
[12:37] <robtaylor_> daniels, thats my custom crack
[12:38] <carlos> robtaylor: do you have your patch alone?
[12:38] <robtaylor_> just preparing it right now ;)
[12:38] <daniels> robtaylor_: cool :)
[12:38] <carlos> robtaylor: thanks
[12:39] <daniels> lamont_r: the one that isn't in p.u.c/~lamont/buildLogs/d/dbus/0.22+cvs.200412122010-0ubuntu2/ ?
[12:39] <lamont_r> heh
[12:39] <lamont_r> daniels: one of the amusing issues with only seeing failure mails...
[12:39] <daniels> lamont_r: heh :)
[12:39] <robtaylor_> carlos, http://sourcecontrol.net/~rtaylor/dbus-python-auth.diff
[12:40] <daniels> robtaylor_: is that against cvs?
[12:40] <robtaylor_> daniels, yep
[12:40] <robtaylor_> as of about 0030 UTC last night
[12:40] <robtaylor_> (um.. i mean today ;) )
[12:40] <carlos> robtaylor: we already have the getunixuser method, I was using it from the current bindings...
[12:41] <carlos> robtaylor: let's move this to #accessd
[12:44] <mdz> Kamion: I think a single entry in blacklist is sufficient
[12:44] <mdz> Kamion: moving the blacklists into the seed archive sounds appropriate as well
[12:49] <fabbione> mdz: what do you think would be a good name for a linux-source-almostcrackfotheday ?
[12:49] <fabbione> s/fo/of
[12:49] <Mithrandir> fabbione: linux-crack-crack-crack?
[12:49] <Mithrandir> or possibly linux-image-crack-crack-crack
[12:49] <fabbione> i need to make the orig.tar.gz indipendent from the version
[12:50] <lamont_r> linux-source-crack sounds about right
[12:50] <fabbione> since we can keep it uptodate via patches
[12:50] <bob2> mjg59: do you happen to know which scripts get run for APM events?
[12:50] <fabbione> lamont_r: yeah
[12:50] <lamont_r> thom: mono needs help on i386 and ppc, yes?
[12:51] <mjg59> bob2: /etc/apm/apm_proxy or some such crack
[12:51] <lamont_r> fabbione: better might be 'linux-source-bleeding-edge'
[12:51] <mjg59> The main issue with apm is that the Linux driver current has no way to reject events
[12:51] <mjg59> So when someone presses a sleep button, you're damn well going to sleep
[12:51] <bob2> mjg59: oh, heh, 'twas trying to disable sleep-on-lid-close
[12:51] <mjg59> Haha. Nope.
[12:51] <Kinnison> mjg59: I've finished my first pass of tosh_acpi2
[12:52] <mjg59> If it's a Thinkpad, you can probably do so with the thinkpad-modules stuff
[12:52] <mjg59> Kinnison: Fucking rock
[12:52] <mjg59> bob2: Alternatively, make the kernel work
[12:53] <mjg59> (you probably still won't be able to tell the difference between lid and suspend calls, but still)
[12:53] <Kinnison> mjg59: So I have a set of acpi scripts/events for lock, brightness
[12:53] <Kinnison> mjg59: and suspend/hibernate work
[12:53] <bob2> mjg59: hm, it's a t23, which apparently has unusable acpi support in addition to apm
[12:54] <lamont_r> daniels: not that any of us care, but I have 77 build logs (failures) that mention -lXinerama - I expect that most of those are missing build-deps...
[12:54] <mjg59> bob2: Oh arse
[12:54] <mjg59> How unusable is the acpi?
[12:54] <mjg59> Kinnison: Hurray
[12:54] <daniels> lamont_r: bounce me  alist
[12:54] <mjg59> Kinnison: And they work properly, rather than in a crack-addled manner?
[12:54] <daniels> lamont_r: well, of the ones that should be fixed
[12:56] <bob2> mjg59: hm, seems the kernel blacklisted it
[12:56] <mjg59> bob2: Oh, because of an excessively old BIOS?
[12:56] <bob2> mjg59: sounds like it
[12:56] <mjg59> bob2: What does dmidecode say the BIOS date is?
[12:56] <daniels> acpi=force, yo
[12:57] <mjg59> Hoary is going to have totally rad laptop support
[12:58] <thom> lamont_r: yes
[12:59] <fabbione> mjg59: do we need more kernel patches?
[12:59] <haggai> lunch is about to be put out
[12:59] <haggai> mjg59: my software suspend is completely screwed too
[12:59] <ross> mgedmin: 2.6.9 works well with acpi on my X22, anything below that failed
[12:59] <haggai> uh, hibernation
[12:59] <fabbione> lamont_r: i am more for linux-source-break-my-box-hard
[12:59] <Simira> *phew*
[01:00] <mgedmin> bob2: I have disabled suspend on lid close somehow on my t23; reguar suspend event (Fn+F4) still work
[01:00] <Simira> seens like I may get the insurance money for my camera, at least, even though I don't have the reciept or anything.
[01:00] <mjg59> haggai: How so?
[01:01] <fabbione> linux-source-bleeding-edge
[01:01] <mgedmin> bob2: I don't remember if I did that with tpctl, with the bios, or if I booted to windows -- it was ages ago
[01:01] <fabbione> that's it
[01:01] <bob2> 22:00:35      Nemesis__ |  Release Date: 05/08/2002
[01:01] <bob2> 22:00:43      Nemesis__ |  Characteristics:
[01:01] <bob2> 22:00:56      Nemesis__ |  {PCI, PCMCIA, PNP, APM} is supported
[01:01] <bob2> mjg59: ^
[01:01] <bob2> Simira: oh, awesome
[01:01] <mjg59> bob2: Weird. I'd expect that to do acpi happily.
[01:01] <ross> i wonder if my desktop supports acpi suspend to disk
[01:02] <mjg59> ross: Define acpi suspend to disk
[01:02] <mjg59> S4OS (like swsusp) is the ACPI spec's preferred suspend to disk mechanism
[01:02] <daniels> s4bios, yo
[01:02] <mjg59> S4BIOS is mostly deprecated
[01:02] <daniels> heh, yeah
[01:03] <daniels> my omnibook *ostensibly* did s4bios, but in reality only did suspend-to-disk in apm
[01:03] <ross> mjg59: i'll be happy if i can suspend to disk, don't care how :)
[01:03] <mjg59> ross: swsusp ought to do it
[01:04] <mjg59> Oh, rock
[01:04] <mjg59> John Fremlin seems to have written apm event rejection code
[01:05] <mjg59> http://john.fremlin.de/programs/linux/offbutton/index.html - makes apm work like acpi
[01:06] <haggai> mjg59: repeated kernel oopses
[01:08] <mjg59> haggai: What sort?
[01:08] <Kinnison> mjg59: I was pondering adding some code to power/disk.c to decide when it's not worth freeing memory any more
[01:08] <mjg59> Kinnison: Feel free
[01:08] <Kinnison> mjg59: but since it takes forever for swsusp to decide how many pages to copy; I figured it'd be easier to let it free stuff
[01:08] <mjg59> Pavel's got various speedups for post 2.6.10
[01:08] <mjg59> Heh
[01:08] <mjg59> Yeah
[01:11] <mjg59> haggai: When do you get the oopses and what do they look like?
[01:18] <fabbione> tho
[01:18] <fabbione> ciao enrico !
[01:18] <Simira> hi enrico! In Taiwan?
[01:18] <enrico> Hi everyone!
[01:19] <enrico> Landed safely and happily in Taiwan, spent the weekend to buy and setup the new laptop, now I'm alive online and kicking!
[01:19] <Simira> oooh
[01:19] <fabbione> hey Simira 
[01:19] <Simira> buy me a new cam as well?
[01:19] <teo> enrico, new Laptop? :)
[01:19] <Simira> hi fabbione
[01:19] <thom> ciao enrico. are you a member of the X40 cabal now?
[01:20] <mjg59> We had 3 X40 people in the pub yesterday
[01:20] <enrico> thom: TINC!
[01:20] <enrico> (what is a X40?)
[01:21] <mjg59> Ubuntu's favourite laptop
[01:21] <HcE> IBM ThinkPad X40 :love:
[01:21] <HcE> ;)
[01:23] <elmo> mjg59: freaking cult
[01:23] <daniels> elmo: one of us ... one of us ... one of us ... one of us ...
[01:25] <Treenaks> Just.. the.. two of you?
[01:30] <haggai> mjg59: during lots of dots, not sure what exactly it is doing.  I couldn't use the hibernate.sh script at all - the display was turned off.  I had to do it by echo -n disk >/sys/power/state
[01:31] <haggai> mjg59: seemed to be oopsing in the scheduler
[01:31] <jdub> mjg59: dude, you had an acpi-support 0.10 in your archive a while ago, and now it's 0.9+mjg... -> turns out that's why my suspend to ram sucked
[01:31] <jdub> mjg59: now it's *awesome*, and very fast
[01:33] <mjg59> Ah, right
[01:33] <mjg59> Heh
[01:34] <mjg59> haggai: If you could extract the oops, that would be rad
[01:34] <enrico> This thing runs Linux so well!
[01:34] <mjg59> haggai: If you want to use the script, then comment out the dpms off call
[01:34] <mjg59> jdub: No excessively dodgy graphical glitches?
[01:36] <jdub> mjg59: not really, no
[01:36] <jdub> mjg59: some times a double X refresh
[01:36] <jdub> hey enrico 
[01:36] <enrico> jdub: hey!
[01:36] <mjg59> jdub: Yeah, you'll get that at the moment
[01:37] <mjg59> jdub: Can you try disabling Option VBERestore and see if it still works?
[01:37] <daniels> jdub: yeah, the vbe mode switch is bong
[01:37] <daniels> mjg59: you'll sometimes get straight mode switches doing that
[01:37] <daniels> mjg59: it's random afaict
[01:37] <mjg59> daniels: ?
[01:37] <mjg59> Oh, right
[01:37] <daniels> yeah
[01:37] <daniels> mode switch will sometimes switch to nothing, backlight comes on, flashes off, whole screen flashes, backlight cycles again, screen flashes twice, and it's switched
[01:38] <daniels> haven't been able to find a pattern yet
[01:39] <jdub> hmm, ok, commented
[01:40] <jdub> will see what happens next time
[01:46] <daniels> Mithrandir: hmm, so is /usr/X11R6/lib32/libGL.so* a diversion already?
[01:49] <daniels>                 rm -f /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a
[01:49] <daniels>                 rm -f /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a
[01:49] <daniels> oh man, nvidia-glx is so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, wrong
[01:51] <Mithrandir> daniels: I don't think so?
[01:52] <daniels> Mithrandir: ok, I think I know how to do it now
[01:52] <Kamion> nvidia-glx-wrong.so.so.so.so.so.so.so.so.so.so.so.so # because sonames are good
[01:53] <Mithrandir> Kamion: that's true.
[01:53] <Kamion> using the secret teleporter between rooms, apparently
[01:53] <Kinnison> *nod*
[01:53] <thom> Kamion: it's magic
[01:53] <Keybuk>  .la, a note to follow .so
[01:53] <Kinnison> Throw the ball hard enough and it tunnels through the wall
[01:53] <Kamion> QUANTUM BALLS
[01:53] <Treenaks> quantum tunnels?
[01:54] <jdub> Keybuk: that's the funniest hacker joke EVER
[01:54] <Kamion>  Goodness gracious, great balls of foil
[01:54] <Keybuk> by feeding them chocolate?
[01:54] <thom> i vote we kill every one involved with libtool, and their children, and their childrens children, lo unto the third generation
[01:54] <Kamion> Keybuk: yes please
[01:54] <Kinnison> Kamion: come get some
[01:54] <Keybuk> Kamion: Kinniwinni has some
[01:54] <Kamion> BONUS
[01:55] <ogra> heh
[01:55] <Treenaks> ogra: hey, you back in northern europe yet? :)
[01:56] <ogra> Treenaks: everything is frozen here :( 
[01:56] <Treenaks> ogra: here as well...
[01:56] <Treenaks> -1C in Amsterdam
[01:56] <Keybuk> you're home now?
[01:57] <Treenaks> Keybuk: I've been home for the last 2 days
[01:57] <Keybuk> aww
[02:00] <ogra> thats how -4 looks like http://www.grawert.net/131204%20000.jpg
[02:00] <jdub> pitti: i don't think it's worth bothering with a system polypaudio daemon
[02:00] <jdub> hey ogra 
[02:00] <ogra> guys... STAY where you are !
[02:00] <ogra> hey
[02:00] <pitti> jdub: why not? are several parallel instances work together well?
[02:00] <jdub> ogra: i'll be going back to summer :)
[02:00] <pitti> ogra: Hi ogra
[02:01] <pitti> ogra: had a nice trip?
[02:01] <ogra> damned
[02:01] <mvo> hi ogra 
[02:01] <ogra> yep....was so tired....the night before was to long :)
[02:01] <jdub> pitti: not really, will chat to you about it later
[02:01] <ogra> hi mvo
[02:01] <jdub> pitti: it's really designed to be a user daemon
[02:05] <smurfix_> Igitt
[02:20] <haggai> has anyone got a serial cable with them?
[02:20] <haggai> for logging oops stuff
[02:24] <daniels> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of libfglrx_gamma.1 not recognized
[02:25] <daniels> daniels@catsby:~/canonical/kernel/l-r-m/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-2.6.9/debian% find ./ -name libfglrx_gamma.1
[02:25] <daniels> daniels@catsby:~/canonical/kernel/l-r-m/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-2.6.9/debian% 
[02:25] <Treenaks> cool
[02:25] <pitti> amu: I can reproduce the mtr crash in my debug version
[02:28] <daniels> Mithrandir: ping
[02:29] <Simira> daniels: he has to leave for his exam now
[02:29] <daniels> Simira: ahr, wish him good luck
[02:29] <Simira> I will
[02:29] <daniels> Simira: cheers
[02:29] <Simira> (guess he's not left, and reads this, though)
[02:30] <daniels> any hoary nvidia-glx users around?
[02:30] <thom> Mithrandir: 'luck, dude
[02:30] <daniels> ahr
[02:30] <daniels> Mithrandir: g'luck!
[02:33] <Mithrandir> daniels: pong
[02:34] <Mithrandir> haven't left yet.
[02:34] <Mithrandir> I'll be off in a couple of minutes, though
[02:35] <daniels> ah, rad
[02:35] <daniels> just wanting you to test some nvidia stuff and optionally borrow root on your machine to test out some wacky x stuff involving relinking the nvidia driver so we can load it with libgl, but concentrate on your exam :)
[02:37] <Mithrandir> sure, I'll prod you when I'm back.
[02:37] <daniels> cheers dude
[02:37] <daniels> g'luck!
[02:37] <Treenaks> Simira: didn't you have exams as well? 
[02:37] <Simira> Treenaks: yes, I'm done, luckily
[02:37] <Treenaks> Simira: did they go well?
[02:38] <Simira> that remains to see, Treenaks. I hope I won't fail (again).
[02:38] <Simira> there were some hard questions, but I also managed some.
[02:51] <fabbione> applying patch 0000_2.6.9_to_2.6.10rc3 to ./ ... ok.
[02:51] <fabbione> applying patch 0001_2.6.10rc3_to_2.6.10rc3bk7 to ./ ...
[02:51] <fabbione> MUHA UHA UHA
[02:53] <daniels> if anyone wants sheer crack, please test 157/~daniels/xorg/*.deb
[02:53] <daniels> that's a libdl-based loader with speed hacks
[02:53] <mjg59> fabbione: CRACK.
[02:53] <mjg59> But cool crack, regardless
[02:53] <mjg59> fabbione: There's lots of new shit in .10 that wants to be switched on
[02:53] <mjg59> (intelfb would be a good start)
[02:53] <daniels> ooo, intelfb
[02:54] <fabbione> mjg59: these will be linux-source-bleeding-edge
[02:54] <mjg59> And ibm-acpi
[02:54] <fabbione> and when there is a major release we will just branch stable from that one
[02:55] <fabbione> wince patches will be already in sync
[02:55] <fabbione> much easier than handling major release each time
[02:55] <mjg59> Yeah
[02:58] <daniels> ah, the xorg debs there are broken, don't worry about it
[02:59] <mjg59> thom: Something has just sprung to mind
[03:00] <thom> mjg59: oh?
[03:00] <mjg59> thom: acpid serialises events, so if there are multiple power events occuring more than once every 5 seconds, power.sh will have a pile of events to flush
[03:00] <mjg59> So if you attempt to suspend, you'll have to wait ages for them to get through the system
[03:00] <thom> urgh
[03:01] <mjg59> It probably wants a lockfile and to background itself
[03:02] <thom> so what, enter power.sh, lock, background, ignore everything else until you finish? what will acpid do with events that come through while it runs? store them and retry when power.sh comes back?
[03:03] <mjg59> enter power.sh, lock, background, sleep, remove lockfile
[03:03] <mjg59> power.sh events that are run while the lockfile is there should just exit
[03:03] <mjg59> anything else shouldn't check the power.sh lockfile
[03:04] <thom> ok
[03:04] <thom> sounds like a plan
[03:10] <Treenaks> mjg59: that sounds like it might fix my "resuspend on wakeup" problem :)
[03:11] <lamont_r> fabbione: any cryptoloop related hackery in our 2.6.9 kernels?
[03:11] <daniels> anyone here use the nvidia binary driver?
[03:12] <Treenaks> lamont_r: wasn't cryptoloop deprecated in favor of dm-crypt?
[03:12] <lamont_r> Treenaks: prolly - not relavant to the bug I'm working on though
[03:13] <fabbione> lamont_r: we support it, meaning that it is in the vanilla kernel. we don't have any extra patch on top of it
[03:15] <lamont_r> fabbione: that was the question
[03:16] <lamont_r> thanks
[03:16] <thom> I AM SO STUPID IT HURTS
[03:16] <daniels> ... yes
[03:16] <Treenaks> thom: we know
[03:17] <mjg59> thom: You've mailed the private key again?
[03:17] <thom> mjg59: :P
[03:17] <thom> no, no
[03:17] <thom> not quite that level of stupid
[03:17] <daniels> < thom> does anyone know how to make a revocation certificate?
[03:18] <mjg59> thom: What have you done, then?
[03:18] <thom> mjg59: just forgotten to handle the upgrade case in portmap correctly
[03:18] <thom> even though there was a big note in the bug to remind me to do so
[03:18] <thom> bugzilla needs blink tags
[03:19] <mjg59> Haha
[03:19] <mjg59> thom sucks
[03:21] <Treenaks> People, a Dutch user just sent me a huge "Thank you" mail praising ubuntu etc. :)
[03:23] <thom> mdz: 14:16 < thom> I AM SO STUPID IT HURTS
[03:26] <mdz> thom: context?
[03:26] <daniels> mdz: portmap
[03:27] <mdz> ah
[03:28] <thom> fixing now
[03:28] <mdz> Subject: apt_0.6.27_source.changes ACCEPTED
[03:28] <mdz> (->hoary)
[03:28] <Kamion> w00t
[03:28] <thom> nice
[03:28] <mdz> FIRE IN THE HOLE
[03:28] <Treenaks> that's the signature-checking one?
[03:28] <mdz> yes
[03:29] <Treenaks> w00t
[03:29] <mdz> once it's built, python-apt, synaptic and aptitude need rebuilds
[03:30] <daniels> nice :)
[03:34] <Treenaks> mjg59: when will your acpi-support package be in hoary proper?
[03:35] <daniels> Treenaks: funny you should mention that -- i'm working on it now
[03:36] <Treenaks> daniels: coolness
[03:44] <thom> um?
[03:45] <lamont_r> it's not a circular build-dep, it's a self-build-dep
[03:45] <lamont_r> :-)
[03:45] <azeem> does it make notes during the build?
[03:45] <azeem> s/make/take/
[03:46] <daniels> lamont_r: either way, lucky you! ;)
[03:46] <thom> no, it's circular, innit?
[03:46] <daniels> thom: circular is foo -> bar -> foo
[03:47] <thom> mcs -> mono -> mcs
[03:49] <thom> mdz: fixed now, anyway
[03:55] <lamont_r> thom: mcs is the source for mono-assemblies-base
[03:55] <lamont_r> which Depends: mono-jit
[03:55] <thom> yes, and the build dep is on mono-util, which is out of mono
[03:55] <lamont_r> yeah
[03:55] <lamont_r> really.  hrm.
[03:55] <lamont_r> anyway, not a big issue, just being a PITA.
[03:55] <thom> yeah
[03:57] <Simira> iiiik!
[03:57] <Simira> A pink cow!
[03:57] <Treenaks> Simira: drugs are bad, m'kay?
[03:57] <Treenaks> (says the person who works above a coffee shop in Amsterdam)
[03:57] <sid77> lol!
[03:57] <Simira> (my sister started using Ubuntu yesterday, because she fancied the Bouncing cow. And now her boyfriend has made her a pink-with-white-heart-texture for it)
[03:58] <Simira> Treenaks: you should know then
[03:58] <fabbione> Kamion: ping
[03:58] <mjg59> daniels: Mm?
[03:58] <Simira> fabbione: Want a pink cow?
[03:58] <fabbione> Simira: ehehhe
[03:59] <mjg59> daniels: What's up?
[03:59] <fabbione> Kamion: there is Jesus installing ubuntu on his ppc and it is doing some weird stuff in base-config
[03:59] <fabbione> Kamion: mind to come down and take a look
[03:59] <fabbione> ?
[03:59] <Treenaks> Jesus uses ubuntu?
[03:59] <Treenaks> do the Americans know?
[03:59] <azeem> Mr T uses Ubuntu!!1
[03:59] <daniels> mjg59: 
[03:59] <daniels> New version specified (1.0.4-1ubuntu2) is less than
[03:59] <daniels> the current version number (1.0.4-1ubuntu1+mjg59-1)!
[03:59] <Keybuk> UBUNTU SAVES!
[03:59] <mjg59> Oh. That's unfortunate.
[04:00] <Keybuk> 1.0.4 << 1.0.4-1ubuntu1+mjg59
[04:00] <sid77> AND ONLY TAKES HALF DAMAGE! (damn d'n'd infiltration)
[04:00] <Treenaks> call it 1.0.5 and be done with it?
[04:00] <daniels> ... except it wouldn't be 1.0.5?
[04:00] <Keybuk> children, repeat after me ... "the last hyphen separates the upstream version and Debian revision"
[04:00] <daniels> heh
[04:01] <mjg59> Yeah, should have been mjg591
[04:01] <mjg59> Sorry about that
[04:01] <Treenaks> daniels: or just put 1: in front :)
[04:01] <mjg59> Epoch!
[04:01] <mjg59> Haha
[04:02] <daniels> NO
[04:02] <daniels> no epoch
[04:02] <daniels> mjg59: so are your scripts working sufficiently well to be the default?
[04:02] <daniels> mjg59: i'm thinking of uploading your acpi-support plus a couple of sleeps around the chvt plus acpid
[04:03] <mjg59> daniels: Ok, rock
[04:03] <mjg59> They ought to be fine
[04:03] <mjg59> But ideally I'd merge the support tools into videotool first
[04:03] <mdz> AHEM: if you're on the Ubuntu team and you're downstairs in the ballroom, you ought to be upstairs in the BOF room
[04:03] <daniels> phat
[04:03] <daniels> mjg59: ah, right
[04:04] <mjg59> Which I /might/ get done this evening
[04:05] <daniels> i thought it was already merged?
[04:06] <Kamion> if anyone's still downstairs, can they tell Jesus Climent that I'll be down after this BOF?
[04:06] <mjg59> daniels: No, I did the ITP but haven't written the code
[04:06] <mjg59> (bad matthew)
[04:07] <daniels> heh, ahr :)
[04:07] <ross> does jesus still have his girl's phone?
[04:07] <thom> the phone rocks
[04:07] <thom> no dissing of the dasherphone
[04:08] <pasc> Kamion: he's just gone up
[04:08] <daniels> ringringringringringringringring bananaphone
[04:09] <ross> haha
[04:09] <thom> *smite*
[04:09] <ross> it's interesting, i'll give it that
[04:09] <Keybuk> daniels: the problem with them making the default is that they don't fail gracefully for people without suspend support
[04:09] <daniels> Keybuk: correct, but it's not the default action
[04:09] <thom> s/(them) (making)/\2 \1/
[04:09] <daniels> i.e. lid !-> suspend
[04:09] <Keybuk> daniels: last time I looked, hibernate was the default for the power button
[04:09] <mjg59> We need gdmflexiserver support for suspend and hibernate, too
[04:10] <mjg59> Keybuk: hibernate ought to work for pretty much everyone
[04:10] <thom> yup, that's on the list
[04:10] <Keybuk> doesn't work for me :-/
[04:10] <thom> (flexiserver)
[04:10] <mjg59> Keybuk: What, hibernate?
[04:11] <mjg59> In what way?
[04:11] <Keybuk> doesn't even sleep
[04:11] <mjg59> It's not meant to sleep
[04:11] <mjg59> It's meant to power off
[04:11] <Keybuk> it doesn't do that either
[04:11] <Keybuk> just crashes a bunch of panel applets
[04:11] <mjg59> What does dmesg say?
[04:11] <mjg59> (Given that this is going to be enabled by default, having bug reports would be nice)
[04:12] <Keybuk> nothing notable
[04:12] <mjg59> So your entire bug report is that it doesn't work and dmesg contains nothing notable?
[04:12] <Keybuk> I'm a little busy right now, will crash my laptop later
[04:12] <mjg59> Heh
[04:12] <mjg59> Ok, no problem
[04:14] <Keybuk> can turn on mondo-debugging and see what I get
[04:14] <daniels> that's not the umount -l / thing?
[04:14] <Keybuk> it looked like it decided not to continue with the suspend and resumed
[04:14] <fabbione> Keybuk: so during the next week someone will start importing kernel tarballs
[04:14] <fabbione> right?
[04:14] <Keybuk> fabbione: give me 10 minutes to finish the current conversation
[04:15] <elmo> thom: how does that -ubuntu3 change not violate the GoldenRule ?
[04:15] <elmo> thom: sorry, genuninely not trolling and/or trying to be awkard, but it's a change that opens port, and it's being done semi-unconditionally
[04:17] <thom> elmo: you mean ubuntu2? that's what ubuntu3 is for
[04:18] <thom> see "SO STUPID IT HURTS" comments
[04:19] <thom> elmo: 2 removed the defaults file, 3 puts it back for people upgrading from older versions
[04:27] <mxpxpod> good job on the panel menu
[04:28] <mxpxpod> it looks very nice
[04:28] <thom> mjg59: btw, mind if I reassing 3256 to you?
[04:29] <mjg59> thom: Oh, sure
[04:29] <mjg59> It ought to be pretty much fixed at the moment, though
[04:31] <thom> yup, 's'what i figured
[04:33] <thom> elmo: did that explanation make sense?
[04:36] <thom> mjg59: any thought on doing 4501 better?
[04:36] <elmo> thom: well, I'm horribly confused now - I notice it's conditional on /etc/default/portmap not existing, but it does in debian sid and ubuntu warty, so I'm confused as to how this postinst change'll ever really be applied.. in any event my original complaint was clearly bogus, so just ignore me
[04:37] <thom> elmo: debian/default was shipped in the package, is not any longer, so that goes away during unpacking. if we're upgrading and it's not there, we recreate it
[04:37] <mjg59> thom: Check ownership of /tmp/.Xwhatever instead?
[04:37] <mxpxpod> where are the build logs for mono for powerpc?
[04:38] <mjg59> Hrm. No, they're owned by root
[04:38] <thom> mxpxpod: lamont is looking at mono currently, should get resolved soon (people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/m{cs,ono}
[04:38] <mjg59> thom: Nothing springs to mind
[04:38] <mxpxpod> thom: awesome, thanks
[04:39] <lamont_r> thom/mxpxpod: i386 will happen shortly, ppc will take a little longer...
[04:40] <mxpxpod> lamont_r: how long, roughly?
[04:42] <lamont_r> mxpxpod: step 1) get powerpc sid binaries where the buildd can fetch them, or (1a) give up and manually copy them around... I'm trying to be lazy...
[04:42] <mxpxpod> lamont_r: hehe, I don't blame you... I'll quit bugging you so you can work on it
[05:04] <daniels> mataro people who want to test shiny new fastish x.org: deb http://192.168.0.157/~daniels/ xorg/
[05:04] <thom> does it work now?
[05:05] <daniels> thom: yah
[05:05] <daniels> not with fglrx or nvidia binary driver atm tho
[05:15] <fabbione> daniels: we need to prepare some slides :-)
[05:16] <daniels> ahr
[05:16] <fabbione> or at least go into details on what to talk
[05:16] <fabbione> like "The undiscussed importance of /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[05:16] <jdub> okay
[05:16] <jdub> so
[05:16] <jdub> who noticed that my fly was open before lunch?
[05:17] <ross> ha
[05:17] <thom> you may be very upset to learn that i really don't look at your crotch. ever.
[05:17] <azeem> everybody who watched the Theora stream, I'd guess
[05:19] <fabbione> jdub: in italy we say "Open fly... dead bird inside..."
[05:19] <fabbione> now get it ;)
[05:22] <thom> you iye-teyes are nuts.
[05:47] <mvo> where can I lock my screen with the new menu?
[05:47] <Kamion> http://www.plokta.com/plokta/issue23/teapot.htm
[05:48] <seb128> mvo, System menu
[05:48] <mvo> it's not here, am I missing a package?
[05:48] <seb128> no, just killall gnome-panel
[05:48] <seb128> there is a bug
[05:49] <seb128> the menu is refreshed sometimes and the special entries are not added again
[05:49] <mvo> ahhhhh ... back again! nice :) thanks seb128 
[05:49] <seb128> np
[05:50] <seb128> vuntz is hidding since this morning, I'm wondering if he did that on purpose and just run away while laughing on the number that will ask what's going on with the panel package :)
[05:58] <sivang> Hi everybody!
[06:03] <Simira> hi sivang
[06:08] <Treenaks> hey siv
[06:08] <Treenaks> http://www.koreus.com/files/200408/radiohead_creep.html
[06:08] <Treenaks> uh
[06:12] <sivang> Treenaks : I don't have the flash pluging working :-/
[06:29] <thom> GRAH, sorting bugs by number is so much less useful than sorting them by severity it makes my ears bleed
[06:31] <daniels> thom: or status, even better
[06:31] <thom> urgh, no
[06:32] <daniels> it's useful when you're good about sorting
[06:32] <daniels> new/assigned/needinfo/pendingupload is an awesome metric for my bug list
[06:35] <thom> daniels: i mean for the default
[06:35] <daniels> oh, fo'sho
[06:35] <thom> i just blew away my .gnome*
[06:35] <trulux> hi
[06:35] <trulux> doko, ping
[06:35] <daniels> thom: oops.
[06:35] <thom> becuase i had so much CRACK in my session
[06:36] <thom> it took minutes to log in
[06:36] <daniels> hah
[06:39] <seb128> thom, ~/.gnome2/session is the session
[06:39] <thom> yeah, i was bored
[07:31] <lamont_r> thom: where should I send the build log for the (FTBFS) mono?
[07:31] <thom> lamont_r: still ftbfs? on x86 and ppc,or?
[07:31] <fabbione> lamont_r: /dev/null
[07:32] <lamont_r> x86.  I expect that ppc is a tomorrow thing.
[07:32] <fabbione> linux-source-bleeding-edge_2.6-10rc3bk7.diff.  54% 5056KB  46.1KB/s   01:32 ETA
[07:32] <thom> lamont_r: /me looks around and points at fabbione. i'm sure he cares
[07:32] <lamont_r> lol
[07:32] <fabbione> thom: uh why do i care?
[07:33] <lamont_r> anyway, actually mcs that's failing - build log should hit people.u.c in about 5 minutes
[07:33] <fabbione> lamont_r: did mono enter main or something?
[07:34] <lamont_r> fabbione: nah - it has build-deps that needed love
[07:34] <lamont_r> s/needed/need/ :-)
[07:34] <fabbione> oh
[07:35] <fabbione> linux-source-bleeding-edge_2.6.orig.tar.gz     11% 5124KB  51.8KB/s   12:48 ETA
[07:35] <fabbione> MUHA MUHA MUHA
[07:43] <robtaylor_> well.. time for me to start saying my goodbyes...
[07:47] <fabbione> lamont_r: mind to try to build wvstream on perfectly clean hoary chroot? i really can't understand why it doesn't build on sparc
[07:52] <mjg59> fabbione: You've got all the ubuntu patches ported to that?
[07:54] <fabbione> mjg59: yup
[07:54] <fabbione> i need to workaround some packaging limitation atm
[07:54] <fabbione> ./debian/make-substvars linux version.Debian debian/monolith/list 
[07:54] <fabbione> Line 1: patch patch-bleeding-edge-10rc3bk7 is not well-founded
[07:54] <fabbione> Patch for 2.6-10rc3bk7 must be listed
[07:54] <fabbione> stuff like this
[07:55] <mjg59> fabbione: Fucking rock.
[07:55] <mjg59> I'll play with that later.
[07:55] <fabbione> mjg59: it's not uploaded yet
[07:56] <fabbione> i need to sync the config files first
[07:56] <fabbione> that will take sometime
[07:56] <fabbione> i will do the first upload tomorrow
[08:09] <cenerentola> ciao
[08:10] <Kinnison> Evening
[08:11] <Kinnison> How was the perl conference?
[08:13] <daniels> represent
[08:13] <cenerentola> kinnison: ...well very nice..
[08:13] <Kinnison> cenerentola: did you meet ermintrude?
[08:13] <cenerentola> until "Python for perl programmers"
[08:13] <thom> word.
[08:14] <cenerentola> no, mate.
[08:14] <daniels> word to the stars
[08:14] <Keybuk> word up to the mataro massive
[08:14] <Kinnison> cenerentola: Michael Stevens?
[08:15] <daniels> http://192.168.0.157/~daniels/02 - goldnsoulja - el presidente.mp3
[08:15] <daniels> these guys make goldie lookin' chain look like professionals; it's free to redistribute, etc, etc
[08:16] <daniels> Keybuk: failure to care
[08:16] <Kinnison> daniels: Also dude... RFC1918 address on a global IRC channel
[08:17] <daniels> Kinnison: lots of those flying around lately
[08:17] <sladen> daniels: Works for Me(tm)
[08:17] <Kinnison> daniels: heh
[08:21] <mjg59> I will TUNNEL into your network using IRC
[08:24] <Kinnison> eep
[08:24] <Kinnison> NSTX gone bad
[08:24] <daniels> ip-over-irc, hmm
[08:24] <daniels> that's a pretty awesome idea
[08:24] <Treenaks> daniels: irc-over-ip-over-irc
[08:24] <Treenaks> etc. ad infinitum
[08:24] <daniels> Treenaks: well, yeah
[08:25] <daniels> i'm not suggesting we transition the entire internet to this
[08:28] <mjg59> "You've found a bug that only appears if your environment does not contain the variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH. To fix it, set that variable to some value, such as "/usr/lib"."
[08:28] <mjg59> NO NO NO
[08:29] <Treenaks> ?
[08:29] <mjg59> Some people shouldn't be allowed to write code
[08:29] <mxpxpod> lamont_r: how comes the mono stuff?
[08:30] <thom> mxpxpod: it's broken
[08:30] <mxpxpod> thom: I know, but lamont_r was working on it earlier... so I was wondering how he was coming with it
[08:32] <lamont_r> mxpxpod: there is a new build log for mcs.  someone needs to fix that.
[08:33] <thom> it's still broken
[08:34] <fabbione> did anybody received mails about PGP global directory something
[08:34] <fabbione> ?
[08:34] <fabbione> and in detail.. who the hell are they to mail me?
[08:34] <lamont_r> mxpxpod: it's universe... I have enough work that dealing with nudging build-dep loops out of the way still fits in the job description, but actually working on the package is out-of-scope for me right now.
[08:35] <lamont_r> fabbione: yeah, they're sending them out.
[08:35] <fabbione> lamont_r: and nobody reported them as spammers?
[08:36] <fabbione> + their engine is not ven clever enough to recognize expired/revoked uid
[08:36] <haggai> calc: I see you're here.  I created #kubuntu-devel for the KDE stuff
[08:37] <lamont_r> fabbione: that may be why I didn't get them..
[08:37] <fabbione> lamont_r: they flood all the uid on the key
[08:37] <fabbione> they will arrive to you too
[08:39] <lamont_r> yeah
[08:39] <fabbione> i am not going to click on the links
[08:39] <fabbione> if they want the key they will import it themself
[08:40] <fabbione> without considering that it is soo buggy
[08:40] <fabbione> it missed one valid uid on one of my key
[08:40] <fabbione> and it reports that my key has been signed by 985 persons
[08:40] <fabbione> that it's not true
[08:40] <fabbione> becuase it didn't do a uniq id sig check
[08:41] <fabbione> food bof :-)
[08:42] <Kamion> 19:40 < joeyh> -extern struct tty_ldisc ldiscs[] ;
[08:42] <Kamion> 19:40 < joeyh> +extern struct tty_ldisc tty_ldiscs[] ;
[08:42] <Kamion> apparently that's the source of a kernel ABI break
[08:42] <Kamion> do we have that?
[08:49] <mjg59> Yargh
[09:00] <lamont_r> mono is ftbfs in a current sid chroot.. Go Debian!
[09:16] <mjg59> daniels: Your livejournal confuses me
[10:24] <shaya> is there a good way to disable gpg checking for apt repositories that don't have it so I dont get a warning each time?
[10:32] <shaya> never mind
[11:52] <Mithrandir> is thumb broken with .tif files for anybody but me?
[11:52] <Mithrandir> s/thumb/g&/