[12:00] <stvn> linux_mafia: hm, beagle/best was complaining didn't really look into it since i blamed the new kernel
[12:01] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> nop, sypnaptic didn't find it
[12:01] <linux_mafia> stvn, im using a stock hoary kernel, if you dont use reiser or a another fs (you have to compile in extended attribute support) it should be fine as it is
[12:02] <stvn> linux_mafia: ah ok, will try again than
[12:02] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: ah ok, sorry monodevelop isn't in the stock ubuntu IIRC, check the wiki
[12:03] <AndyR> anyone using ess maestro sound?
[12:03] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> stvn, ok, thanks, so i need to bould from source?
[12:03] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: no, do you have hoary?
[12:04] <thenuke> http://www.koreus.com/files/200406/umbilical_brothers.html
[12:04] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> stvn, hoary ?? what is that?
[12:04] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: hoary is the upcoming ubuntu release, unstable developer kinda thing
[12:05] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> ahh no, i have warty dog or something
[12:05] <devFran> hola
[12:06] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: but it appears not, you can have a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreakMyUbuntu
[12:06] <linux_mafia> monodevelop is in hoary's universe, or you can use tsengs repo
[12:06] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: i think it has monodevelop
[12:07] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: or you could go for hoary it does contain monodevelop but it's still in an unstable state
[12:07] <linux_mafia> http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/
[12:07] <devFran> First, hello, i'm from spain, sorry my bad english. I have a new Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo M 7427, and I install XP and ubuntu, but the pc when i restart don't work, show two lines of grub, and lock. The amilo is a laptop, and the installation of xp first and later ubutu are without parametres.
[12:08] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> thanx linux_mafia
[12:08] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> dpkg -i ?
[12:08] <linux_mafia> although even if you use tsengs repo, monodevelop probably depends on other stuffonly available in hoary
[12:08] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> well, if that doesn work, i'll install it from source
[12:09] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> i've already did it on slackware
[12:09] <tuppa> gah
[12:09] <tuppa> anyone installed hoary on an IBM thinkpad r40?
[12:09] <stvn> devFran: if you are very unsure of your english, you could try #ubuntu-es but otherwise we are willing to help
[12:09] <tuppa> ACPI still doesn't let me suspend
[12:10] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> agrrr!!! now k3b :(
[12:12] <linux_mafia> tuppa, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops/ mentions the r40, you looked at that?
[12:13] <tuppa> linux_mafia:  yep
[12:14] <Syberius> does anyone know how to keymap / bind the additional keys on logitech keyboards?
[12:15] <linux_mafia> tuppa, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2881&highlight=r40
[12:16] <devFran> Thanks for all, AlbertEin_Zaya and cia ;)
[12:16] <scoon> Syberius, using metacity ?
[12:16] <devFran> I tri with ubuntu -es
[12:18] <scoon> Syberius, yes
[12:20] <Syberius> scoon: how do you go about switching window manager then?
[12:20] <scoon> Syberius, i use the BT cordless elites w/ metacity.  And almost all the keys are mapped
[12:20] <scoon> Syberius, http://gnome-hacks.jodrell.net/hacks.html?id=14
[12:21] <farruinn> does someone know where "stickies" applet keeps its data?
[12:21] <scoon> Syberius, see if that will help you.  But different wm's have different ways they suggest switching away from metacity
[12:22] <Syberius> tbh im quite happy with gnome,
[12:22] <farruinn> my x is borked because I installed some packages from hoary but I was stupid enough to only save the list of packages installed in a stickie
[12:22] <socomm> ...
[12:23] <farruinn> n/m that, I paniced and asked before I tried to find it myself
[12:25] <titanfox> hello, I was just curious on what core Ubuntu 4.10 is built
[12:25] <socomm> Debian Unstable.
[12:25] <titanfox> oh, so its a debian core
[12:25] <titanfox> but why unstable ?
[12:26] <titanfox> will the next ubuntu release be based on a stable core ?
[12:26] <paspourtoi> gen: what are you doing? ctcp versioning the whole channel? !!
[12:26] <farruinn> titanfox, 4.10 was debian unstable made stable =)
[12:27] <rjek> gen did that the other day, too, IIRC.
[12:27] <socomm> titanfox: No Ubuntu is meant to be on the bleeding edge. Only stable-ized for day to day use.
[12:28] <farruinn> any apt wizards that can help?  I get an error "Invalide record in the preferences file, no Package header."
[12:28] <Kamion> titanfox: we start with unstable so that we're free to make our own release management decisions (mostly) independently of whatever mode Debian happens to be in.
[12:29] <lizdeika> reiserfs4 in hoary ?
[12:29] <titanfox> but if I download for example VLC, what package should I use ?
[12:29] <neoxed> any one know how i can share a folder over the network in linux
[12:29] <titanfox> the woody or the unstable sid ?
[12:29] <Kamion> lizdeika: likely to depend on whether it gets into the upstream kernel.
[12:30] <farruinn> oy, n/m again, sorry
[12:30] <Kamion> we don't have filesystem experts on staff to evaluate its suitability, so trusting Linus et al to decide is probably a better plan
[12:30] <lizdeika> hehe. ok
[12:31] <neoxed> if i download Video Lan Player For Red Hat Linux it wont work for ubuntu will it?
[12:33] <lizdeika> neoxed: you should install ubuntu's deb
[12:33] <farruinn> neoxed: always always, if there is a deb for something it's better to go with that
[12:33] <farruinn> otherwise you're just asking for a broken system
[12:34] <neoxed> all i see is red hat
[12:34] <neoxed> mandrake
[12:34] <neoxed> gnu/linux
[12:34] <lizdeika> O_O
[12:34] <neoxed> familliar linux
[12:34] <neoxed> but no ubuntu
[12:34] <farruinn> neoxed, to search for a program, use synaptic or apt-cache search
[12:35] <neoxed> its got the Source code on here but i dont know how to compile it heh
[12:35] <lizdeika> neoxed: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:35] <socomm> neoxed: Sometimes it will but you gotta use something like alien for it to install under your distro.
[12:35] <neoxed> okia
[12:37] <AndyR> lo ppl
[12:42] <tuppa> linux_mafia:  thanks
[12:44] <infie> anyone know of an editor which can be used to edit files over ssh
[12:45] <rjek> infie: Both Vim and Emacs let you do that.
[12:46] <infie> I'm setting up an environment for an Electronics head to edit a lua script remotely
[12:46] <farruinn> infie, nano is a bit more user friendly if you don't know vim or emacs
[12:46] <infie> I don't think Vim or emacs would be appropriate
[12:47] <paspourtoi> infie: nano then
[12:47] <nicktaylor> Hey everyone.  My parents have this old HP that has a busted on-board video chip.  Do you guys know of anyway that I could boot into Linux (which is not installed currently) and set it up as a file server over ssh?
[12:47] <socomm> nicktaylor: Maybe via paralell port.
[12:47] <decklin> nicktaylor: serial console? you'll have to buy a null modem cable.
[12:48] <amish_geek> Anyone familiar with installing Ubuntu on a hardware raid 1 setup?
[12:48] <infie> now nano doesn't seem to want to edit files over ssh
[12:49] <infie> I meant in this fashion:
[12:49] <nicktaylor> socomm, decklin: Thanks.  I'll look into both.
[12:49] <lil_anthony> what does it mean when you type mozilla-firefox and get segmentation fault?
[12:49] <infie> nano roy@geomonitor:/mnt/vibmon.lua
[12:49] <jon1012> lil_anthony, memory error, usually produced by conflicting version of dependencies
[12:50] <decklin> infie: you want something like shfs then.
[12:50] <amish_geek> why wont ubuntu make use of my hardware raid?
[12:50] <paspourtoi> infie: ssh foo@bar nano /file/to/edit
[12:50] <lil_anthony> ok thanks
[12:51] <Kamion> nano isn't that clever
[12:51] <infie> oh.. silly me
[12:51] <jon1012> paspourtoi, ah pour qui alors ? mdrrr
[12:51] <paspourtoi> pour personne !
[12:51] <Kamion> paspourtoi: you need ssh -t there
[12:51] <paspourtoi> ;)
[12:51] <usual> man, that new white theme in xchat was driving me crazy in hoary
[12:51] <jon1012> expdr
[12:51] <Kamion> at least if you want to do it with a single command
[12:51] <infie> thanks...
[12:51] <paspourtoi> Kamion: good point
[12:51] <jon1012> usual, hey it's better than dark :p
[12:52] <jon1012> usual, I love the new white theme :p
[12:52] <lizdeika> way better
[12:52] <paspourtoi> Kamion: why not just ssh in then edit?
[12:52] <usual> jon1012, I hated it, I changed it back
[12:52] <amish_geek> can anyone help me?
[12:53] <jon1012> usual, there should be a theme selector ;)
[12:53] <usual> jon1012, agreed
[12:54] <socomm> jon1012: Nothing stopping you from writing one.
[12:54] <infie> paspourtoi: This is for someone who has never once used unix
[12:54] <jon1012> socomm, right :)
[12:54] <infie> ie my boss
[12:54] <jon1012> socomm, maybe I will write one so :p
[12:54] <Kamion> paspourtoi: that works too, take your pick
[12:55] <amish_geek> has anyone here installed ubuntu on a raid setup?
[12:55] <socomm> infie: How about MS-Word2k?
[12:55] <infie> eh?
[12:55] <paspourtoi> Kamion: the -t option is good if you want out after editing I guess
[12:55] <infie> That includes remote-ssh editing?
[12:55] <lizdeika> damn i dont understand what happened to menu in hoary "Computer" became "Actions"
[12:56] <socomm> infie: I was kidding ...
[12:57] <infie> ah well, looks like he's going to have to use a console editor
[12:57] <Amaranth> lizdeika: GNOME got a new menu design and the Ubuntu changes haven't been applied to it yet
[12:57] <paspourtoi> infie: you'd have to be accurate with the path to the file: I think it's easier to log in over ssh then cd to the dir, ls , start nano
[12:57] <socomm> infie: Anyways if you want your boss to edit something just use nano, it has the list of commands on the lower section of the screen.
[12:57] <socomm> paspourtoi: Assuming that the server has a copy of nano installed.
[12:57] <lizdeika> ahh ok then. waiting
[12:58] <infie> pasourtoi: It is for a specific file on a tiny embedded device used in mine sites
[12:58] <paspourtoi> socomm: indeed
[12:58] <infie> a lua script to control the parameters
[12:58] <GotD0t> anybody know anything about wine, and why it keeps telling me it cant find the windows, system, and dos drives, and then cannot find what im trying to run, even though it exists
[12:59] <socomm> GotD0t: Did you use winesetuptk?
[12:59] <GotD0t> socomm: yea
[12:59] <infie> Anyway, just on the side
[12:59] <socomm> GotD0t: Make sure you used it as the same user who's trying to run wine.
[01:00] <kleedrac> Any reason why gmplayer tries loading mplayer.conf then exits with the message Illegal instruction
[01:00] <amish_geek> anyone have any experience with raid?
[01:01] <socomm> amish_geek: Try the ubuntu mailing list.
[01:01] <DonL> Hi. This is my first time here. Just downloaded Warty today, and I'm mighty impressed
[01:01] <amish_geek> socomm: whats the address?
[01:01] <jon1012> (for wine, the best thing to use is crossover for the apps ^^)
[01:01] <kleedrac> DonL: I'm with you ... installed earlier today :)
[01:02] <socomm> amish_geek: ubuntlinux.org search for it there.
[01:02] <DonL> Had a major Fedora crash, and wasn't ready to go back there.
[01:02] <jon1012> GotD0t, (maybe try http://www.codeweavers.com)
[01:02] <kleedrac> DonL: heh ... same here!!
[01:02] <DonL> lol
[01:03] <infie> Warty is very nice
[01:03] <kleedrac> Now I just need to get gmplayer working and I think I'm about done :)
[01:03] <infie> Grub vomited on my old bios/new HDD combo
[01:03] <DonL> Yes. I've been wanting to like Debian for a long time
[01:03] <infie> But other than that, def. nice
[01:04] <kleedrac> lol ... last time I tried Debian it didn't support my USB kb/mouse so I went back to Suse
[01:04] <kleedrac> I think Ubuntu might just keep me away from Suse for a while :)
[01:04] <DonL> infie, too bad. Mine went in and set itself up really nicely
[01:05] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: i tried suse for 3 days before i put ubuntu on, i cried daily (came from 2.5 years of debian unstable  and 1.5 years of debian testing/stable)
[01:05] <Quest-Master> I hated Suse too.. my first Linux distro
[01:06] <DonL> I've always used rpm's - first Mandrake for about 3 years, then Fedora for one.
[01:06] <jon1012> DonL, always used rpms too :)
[01:06] <|QuaD-> DonL: i started on mandrake, then to debian
[01:06] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: i tried suse for no more then 3 days
[01:06] <jon1012> DonL, until ubuntu of course :p
[01:06] <|QuaD-> after day 1 i knew i had to get a new distro
[01:07] <DonL> I learned to love apt-get and synaptic with the version on Fedora
[01:07] <DonL> It didnt' work as well as it does on this distro though
[01:07] <Yakfisher> whats wrong with suse?!
[01:08] <ficusplanet> I'm trying to set up some nfs shares, but when I try to mount it, I get: mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused.  Any ideas?
[01:09] <scoon> ficusplanet, either your firewall is blocking that traffic or you do not have all of the daemons needed for nfs started
[01:10] <AndyR> can anyone do a skype call to me to test, im not having much luck with echo123
[01:10] <marsjays> i'm having some trouble with my prism54 wifi card.. when i insert it the modules load and it shows up when i run iwconfig, but it says "status: not ready!", i think the firmware doesn't load correctly.. anyone know how to fix it?
[01:10] <AndyR> skype id = andrew_rogers
[01:10] <ficusplanet> scoon, How can I check to see if my firewall is blocking it?
[01:11] <scoon> ficusplanet, different firewalls have different places that they log that kinda of thing to
[01:11] <scoon> ficusplanet, check the docs for the firewall that you are using.
[01:11] <marcellus> Any tips on getting a jdk etc installed on amd64? I just get broken dependencies (I use hoary).
[01:11] <ficusplanet> scoon, I don't know if I'm using any.  I just installed warty.
[01:11] <Amaranth> marcellus: does sun's java support amd64?
[01:11] <scoon> ficusplanet, then you are not.
[01:12] <Amaranth> marcellus: it wouldn't be a deb package, it would be a bin
[01:12] <scoon> ficusplanet, the default install does not use firewall if i remember correctly.
[01:13] <marcellus> Amaranth: Well there are packages for debian and I can always use the IA32 mode, I guess.
[01:13] <ficusplanet> Hmm ... then what could I be missing?  I have nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server installed.
[01:13] <usual> yay the menu is fixed in hoary
[01:13] <usual> hip hip hoaryy
[01:13] <Amaranth> marcellus: You'll need an entire 32-bit toolchain
[01:13] <ficusplanet> usual, Is it Apps, Places, System?
[01:14] <usual> ficusplanet, yeds
[01:14] <usual> yes
[01:14] <ficusplanet> usual, Great.  Right as I go back to warty, the new menus go in.
[01:14] <usual> ficusplanet, you went to warty because of menus?
[01:15] <ficusplanet> usual, No, because of crashing.
[01:15] <gen> you were using unstable, what do you expect?
[01:15] <gen> :)
[01:15] <ficusplanet> gen, I'm not complaining.  I just had to move back so I can get some work done tomorrow.
[01:16] <gen> makes sense.
[01:16] <DonL> I'm off to play some more with this distro, but I'm glad I found it and this irc
[01:17] <scoon> ficusplanet, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/
[01:17] <scoon> ficusplanet, bookmark tldp.org that will quickly become one of your favorite ref's
[01:18] <ficusplanet> scoon, Thanks.
[01:18] <neoxed> how can i share a folder over my network?
[01:18] <scoon> ficusplanet, np.
[01:19] <neoxed> any one know how i can do that?
[01:19] <neoxed> iv been trying for like 20 mins cant figgur it out
[01:19] <neoxed> hehe
[01:20] <s0cks> 160 GB Western Digital for 50 bucks
[01:20] <Gwildor|elsewher> but it
[01:20] <Gwildor|elsewher> buy it
[01:21] <Gwildor|elsewher> get me one too
[01:21] <Gwildor|elsewher> its christmas
[01:21] <gen> i just bought a 400 from seagate
[01:22] <marsjays> anyone got a clue on how to get cpu frequency scaling working on an amd athlon xp-m based machine?
[01:23] <s0cks> SWEET!
[01:23] <s0cks> I just got 750 gig storage up to a TB.\
[01:23] <s0cks> Raid, only with less expensive drives.
[01:24] <leverkusen> modprobe powernow-k7; apt-get install powernowd
[01:25] <leverkusen> there is another module that selects the policy (performance, powersave)
[01:25] <leverkusen> I don't remember the name
[01:25] <leverkusen> just src bash_completion and let it respond
[01:28] <marsjays> leverkusen: ok, i'll check it out..
[01:29] <scoon> neoxed, look into samba or nfs
[01:30] <marsjays> leverkusen: ah, perfect, thanks! i was struggling with cpufreqd, but apparently that wasn't right :)
[01:31] <bpd1069> is it cpu intensive to run my own DNS?
[01:31] <leverkusen> yeah, I tried some of them but powernowd gave me the silence I needed
[01:31] <carthikSchool> bpd1069, not at all
[01:31] <linux_twin02> hi i just installed ubuntu 4.10 and it's not able to startx
[01:32] <marsjays> now it's only the matter of the wifi firmware which wont load :-/
[01:32] <leverkusen> I'm a bit disappointed besides the centrino performance I've seen in newer laptops
[01:32] <bpd1069> carthikSchool: thanks...  didn't want to invest the time and effort if it would make my system crawl
[01:32] <carthikSchool> bpd1069, I have it running on my server (not at home) and it takes very little cputime
[01:33] <bpd1069> linux_twin02: a goo place to start is to check out the /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[01:33] <bpd1069> err googd
[01:33] <bpd1069> ack
[01:33] <amathis> how can I see how much HD space I am using?
[01:33] <marsjays> amathis: df -h
[01:34] <amathis> marsjays: gracias
[01:34] <bpd1069> carthikSchool: cool... want to make my webbrowsing a bit snappier... relying on my ISPs  DNS is a bit problematic at times
[01:39] <GotD0t> anybody know a tool for ripping a dvd to the hard disk?
[01:40] <tuppa> k3b?
[01:40] <tuppa> dvdrip?
[01:40] <tuppa> both are interfaces to transcode
[01:40] <scoon> tuppa, dvdbackup + mkisofs
[01:41] <Amaranth> dd if=/dev/hdc of=dvdrip.iso ;)
[01:41] <tuppa> Amaranth:  depends... if your DVD is encrypted, then it's not going to work very well at all...
[01:41] <Amaranth> sure it will
[01:42] <Amaranth> dd doesn't care about encryption, it'll be a bit for bit copy of the original, encryption and all
[01:42] <tuppa> Amaranth:  yes, but you'll get a metric ton of I/O errors from the drive
[01:42] <Amaranth> heh
[01:42] <tuppa> and dd won't be able to read a thing
[01:43] <tuppa> because your drive won't hand anything to dd
[01:43] <scoon> tuppa, Amaranth is correct.  The problem w/ that approach is when you need to compress the dvd for fit on a single layer disc
[01:43] <tuppa> depends on what DVD you're talking about
[01:43] <Amaranth> so i can't test
[01:44] <tuppa> if it's data, then dd works fine
[01:44] <tuppa> if it's a movie DVD from Hollywood... thaen you've gotta get libdvdread to decrypt it first
[01:44] <tuppa> i.e. the drive must have the key to decrypt the CSS
[01:44] <infie> bleh.
[01:44] <tuppa> otherwise it's all I/O errors from dd
[01:44] <tuppa> (I've done it before)
[01:45] <infie> I run a script which should detach a process and exit, by using ssh roy@device /mnt/runterm.sh
[01:45] <infie> Where runterm just does a "/mnt/vib /mnt/interface/term.lua&"
[01:45] <neoxed> how can i find out what my router ip is
[01:45] <neoxed> ?
[01:46] <Amaranth> neoxed: it should be 192.168.0.1
[01:46] <infie> However the ssh process blocks, waiting for /mnt/vib /mnt/interface/term.lua& to complete
[01:46] <scoon> neoxed, what kind of router is it ?
[01:46] <infie> despite the "&"
[01:47] <neoxed> linksys router
[01:47] <jon1012>  good night everybody :)
[01:47] <Quest-Master> Can I get the link to the Ship-It page where my friend can check the status of his order?
[01:47] <scoon> neoxed, probably check w/ linksys.com com for your router
[01:47] <scoon> neoxed, but i bet yours could be 192.168.1.1
[01:49] <AndyR> anyone able to call me using skype to test it out?
[01:49] <neoxed> i know that im trying to find out what ip the router gave me
[01:49] <RubenV> Quest-Master: http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[01:49] <neoxed> Kernel IP routing table
[01:49] <neoxed> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[01:49] <neoxed> 192.168.1.0     *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
[01:49] <neoxed> default         192.168.1.1     0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
[01:49] <neoxed> thats whats in there
[01:51] <GotD0t> why is it k3b btw?
[01:52] <tuppa> k3b has preminary support for transcode
[01:52] <tuppa> not as good as dvdrip, then again not as complex
[01:52] <GotD0t> no, i mean why is it called k3b
[01:52] <tuppa> although I haven't used k3b before
[01:52] <tuppa> no idea, ask the guy who wrote  it ;)
[01:54] <scoon> neoxed, go to linksys.com and read the manual for your router.
[01:54] <scoon> neoxed, your router's ip is 192.168.1.1, by default linksys uses dhcp
[01:55] <GotD0t> wow... k3b is SLOW
[01:56] <Sophistication> GotD0t, what flags did you use when you recompiled k3b btw?
[01:57] <GotD0t> Sophistication: i didnt recompile k3b...
[01:57] <n-y-c-boy> wow
[01:57] <GotD0t> ?
[01:57] <neoxed> kkk
[01:58] <GotD0t> this isn't gentoo...
[01:58] <Sophistication> GotD0t, then why say its slow on the default & not try to speed up for your cpu?
[01:59] <Sophistication> GotD0t, :) Im just saying its linux & its possible to speed things up sometimes thats all
[01:59] <GotD0t> Sophistication: it shouldnt be so poorly made that it takes 45 minutes to rip a dvd that has no sort of encryption
[02:00] <Sophistication> GotD0t, You do know k3b uses cdrecord?
[02:00] <GotD0t> yea...
[02:00] <scoon> GotD0t, maybe it is your burner ?  anything in dmesg, do you have dma on your drives ?
[02:01] <GotD0t> no dma as far as i know
[02:01] <Sophistication> GotD0t, have you tryed a new firmware on the dvd drive
[02:01] <scoon> GotD0t, well that will do it.
[02:01] <steakum> what does everyone use in ubuntu to burn ISO's?
[02:01] <GotD0t> all im saying is windows takes 5 minutes to rip a dvd that IS encoded
[02:01] <scoon> GotD0t, why not just be certain and do a hdparm /dev/whatever-your-drives-devices-id's-are
[02:01] <scoon> GotD0t, and check
[02:02] <scoon> GotD0t, if dma is not enabled then you should look into enabling.
[02:02] <GotD0t> scoon: what am i looking for in hdparm?
[02:02] <trans_err> steakum, gnome?
[02:03] <trans_err> just right click on an ISO and burn it
[02:03] <scoon> GotD0t, if dma is enabled
[02:03] <steakum> oh
[02:03] <steakum> ok
[02:03] <steakum> thanks
[02:03] <scoon> GotD0t, you were not certain
[02:03] <GotD0t> scoon: no its not
[02:04] <infie> Is there a reason ubuntu packages XFree86 rather than X.org?
[02:04] <infie> I am guessing that is a can of worms.
[02:04] <tuppa> infie:  try hoary ;)
[02:04] <GotD0t> infie: hoary has it
[02:04] <GotD0t> scoon: what is dma and how do i enable it
[02:04] <infie> hoary is the next version of U?
[02:05] <zenwhen> infie, yes
[02:05] <Sophistication> infie, I say give it time for a move to xorg Im sure
[02:05] <scoon> GotD0t, check out man hdparm
[02:06] <scoon> GotD0t, that will tell you how to enable it.
[02:06] <GotD0t> scoon: it says its off
[02:06] <scoon> GotD0t, and of course google will help you decide if dma is something you want
[02:06] <GotD0t> scoon: can you explain it briefly?
[02:06] <infie> Anyway, I'm finding Ubuntu very useful for my job- nice work and so forth to whoever put it together
[02:07] <Sophistication> example /sbin/hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom
[02:07] <scoon> GotD0t, the short answer is that is makes everything go faster.
[02:07] <GotD0t> scoon: there is a catch, considering its not defaulted on
[02:07] <tuppa> scoon:  let me tell you that typing dma in google and then press "I'm feeling lucky" is not what you would expect ;)
[02:07] <scoon> GotD0t, well no.
[02:07] <scoon> tuppa, but you could try dma + linux
[02:08] <scoon> tuppa, that would cut it down a bit.
[02:08] <GotD0t> scoon: there isn't a catch?
[02:08] <scoon> GotD0t, it is probably not enabled becuase your hw is old or can't use it.
[02:08] <scoon> GotD0t, but you SHOULD check out man hdparm
[02:08] <GotD0t> scoon: its an 8x dvd burner... it cant be THAT old
[02:09] <tuppa> scoon:  I was just mucking around
[02:09] <scoon> GotD0t, well i don't know why yours would be disabled.  when i installed warty, mine was enabled.  look, read the man page for hdparm
[02:10] <ultrafunk> GotD0t: you could probably also try "-u1" with hdparm, if your DVD and a faster device (say, an HDD) are on the same controller
[02:10] <Sophistication> GotD0t, whos the maker of the drive?
[02:10] <GotD0t> Sophistication: light-on
[02:12] <Sophistication> GotD0t, Check in your bios to see if DMA is supported there first before the OS
[02:12] <GotD0t> Sophistication: ah... that requires reboot
[02:13] <GotD0t> ill just have to tell my sisters girlfriend shes gotta wait for her dvd
[02:13] <scoon> GotD0t, unless she is hot, then invite her to make a diff one !!!!!!!!!!!1
[02:14] <GotD0t> wow
[02:14] <GotD0t> pervert
[02:14] <scoon> GotD0t, i said if she is hot
[02:15] <scoon> GotD0t, not -> IF
[02:15] <GotD0t> like i said, pervert
[02:15] <Sophistication> Im shocked a pervert is on irc quite frankly
[02:16] <linux_mafia> what pervert? where?
[02:17] <scoon> GotD0t, i guess she is not hot then
[02:17] <scoon> eh, reboot and check for a dma
[02:18] <arthur> how do i get mplayer to install using apt?
[02:20] <linux_mafia> arthur, its in multiverse
[02:20] <ineedhelp> im having a problem installing mplayer following the writeup on ubuntuforums.org, its telling me that libpng isnt installed
[02:21] <ineedhelp> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 this is the thread im refering to
[02:21] <arthur> trying to install with multiverse, but no success too.. :(
[02:22] <amathis> it isn't that hard
[02:22] <arthur> i get some broken-packages
[02:22] <ineedhelp> i found my problem
[02:23] <ineedhelp> i needed libpng12-dev
[02:23] <arthur> Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1) but its not going to install
[02:23] <arthur> same with: libfribidi0, libggi2, libungif4g
[02:24] <GotD0t> arthur: its not going to install, or its uninstallable?
[02:25] <arthur> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:25] <arthur>   mplayer-nogui: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:25] <arthur>                  Depends: libfribidi0 (>= 0.10.4-5) but 0.10.4-3 is to be installed
[02:25] <arthur>                  Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but it is not going to be installed
[02:25] <arthur>                  Depends: libungif4g (>= 4.1.3) but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[02:26] <crazney> hrm, for some reason in the standard virtual consoles (not x), my | key (shift \) gives me a ~, \ gives me #. it works normally in X. what could be going on there? dodgy keymap?
[02:26] <Sophistication> ps2 or usb
[02:26] <crazney> ps2
[02:26] <arthur> how to solve that broken packages?
[02:26] <Einzelganger> I have installed flash, but I seem to be missing some fonts, for example in macromedia.com, the menu in the top doesn't display the text, just an "empty menu-structure"
[02:27] <crazney> hrm, and my " comes out as @
[02:27] <crazney> crazy
[02:28] <pepsi_> hrm
[02:28] <Einzelganger> even in the right-click => settings of flash, there is no text visable
[02:29] <arthur> GotD0t, you know how to solve that broken packs?
[02:29] <pepsi_> is there a command that will tell me if a window with a certain name is active? and one to bring that window to the front? ie. i want an application launcher that will open gcalctool if it is not already open and bring it to the front if it is already open
[02:36] <Amaranth> yippee, the GNOME menus are almost usable again in hoary
[02:46] <neoxed> how do you install a run/run.bat?
[02:46] <neoxed> root@NeoXed:/home/neoxed/j-ftp # dir
[02:46] <neoxed> build      doc                  hs_err_pid32439.log  LICENSE  src
[02:46] <neoxed> build.xml  hs_err_pid13614.log  hs_err_pid7083.log   readme   TODO
[02:46] <neoxed> CHANGELOG  hs_err_pid19369.log  jalopy               run
[02:46] <neoxed> CVS        hs_err_pid32343.log  lib                  run.bat
[02:46] <netsplit> Did you read the readme?
[02:47] <neoxed> nope
[02:47] <neoxed> lol
[02:47] <neoxed> brb
[02:47] <punkrockguy318> what's the diffence between universe and multiverse?
[02:48] <linux_mafia> Amaranth, whats almost mean?
[02:48] <mjr> punkrockguy318, free/non-free
[02:48] <Amaranth> linux_mafia: You still can't remove items.
[02:48] <neoxed> ba
[02:48] <punkrockguy318> mjh oh
[02:48] <neoxed> whats the name of a good ftp program
[02:48] <neoxed> to download and upload things like BPFTP for windows
[02:48] <punkrockguy318> mjr, so can I install java through  multiverse?
[02:49] <punkrockguy318> neoxed, are you looking for a gui of cli?
[02:49] <mjr> punkrockguy318, don't know
[02:49] <neoxed> gui
[02:49] <punkrockguy318> neoxed, gftp is really nice
[02:49] <neoxed> ok thank
[02:49] <linux_mafia> punkrockguy318, universe == if it breaks you get to keep the pieces, multiverse == the devs kicking them away from your hands as you crawl on the floor trying to pick them up, heh
[02:49] <neoxed> thanks.
[02:50] <punkrockguy318> linux_mafia, lo
[02:50] <MasterFox> Greetings
[02:56] <huamn> Hello
[02:56] <punkrockguy318> can I get java through multiverse?
[02:57] <neoxed> any one know any ftp servers i can connect to so i can see if this thing is working right
[02:57] <punkrockguy318> idsoftware.com
[02:57] <squeegy> ftp.kernel.org
[02:57] <neoxed> thanks
[02:57] <huamn> I've got this little problem with Ubuntu running on AMD64... just about every program bitches about shared libraries... For example the Firefox 1.0 installer says something like this: ./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:58] <huamn> that libgtx is in /usr/lib/, I checked.. but it's not found... does anybody know why?
[02:58] <punkrockguy318> does ubuntu have an fstab tool?
[02:58] <linux_mafia> Amaranth, hmmm, apps, places, system, i think i preffered the setup before
[03:00] <linux_mafia> punkrockguy318, no java through multiverse, and nano, gedit, vi for fstab
[03:01] <punkrockguy318> linux_mafia, okay
[03:01] <punkrockguy318> i'm really pleased with ubuntu
[03:02] <punkrockguy318> it doesn't take the power away... like overwriting conf files all the time like YaST
[03:02] <farruinn> Is there a way to run the automatic X configuration that runs during the installation?  My X is borked and I've dpkg-reconfigured xserver-xfree86 at least three times to no avail.
[03:04] <farruinn> no errors in the log either (less XFree86.0.log | grep EE gives nothing)
[03:04] <punkrockguy318> how can I add a menu entry globally? (for all users)?
[03:16] <punkrockguy318> hello
[03:17] <Pluk> hi punkrockguy318
[03:26] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey guys, has the ATI FGLRX drives been modified to actually work well yet?
[03:26] <DeepSpaceAnt> and work for x300 cards properly (like me 9700 pro)
[03:26] <DeepSpaceAnt> my*
[03:31] <punkrockguy318> how can I install the new firefox?
[03:31] <RuffianSoldier> ummm
[03:33] <tuppa> errr...
[03:33] <tuppa> apt-get install mozilla-firefox? :)
[03:33] <lek> arg..
[03:34] <lek> punkrock, can add "deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe" to sources.list (sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list) in terminal
[03:34] <lek> then sudo apt-get update
[03:34] <lek> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[03:34] <lek> would work.
[03:34] <punkrockguy318> warty-backports/
[03:34] <lek> Yes.
[03:34] <punkrockguy318> warty-backports?
[03:34] <punkrockguy318> what's that?
[03:35] <NixerX> HEy all.
[03:36] <punkrockguy318> lek?
[03:37] <lek> what
[03:37] <lek> just do what i said
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> what's warty-backports
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> yeah i know, but I'm just wondering what it is
[03:37] <lek> backports from hoary that are safe on warty with its on repository
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> oh
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> awesome :)
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> stable?
[03:37] <lek> yes
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> good
[03:38] <lek> only a few main programs
[03:38] <punkrockguy318> thanks a lot!
[03:38] <lek> xchat, firefox, etc
[03:38] <lek> no problem
[03:38] <DeepSpaceAnt> man I wish the  dev team could work on the fglrx driver
[03:38] <khad> Anyone want to field a Fedora dual-boot question?
[03:38] <DeepSpaceAnt> only reason I cant really use ubuntu
[03:38] <|QuaD|> khad: i can try
[03:39] <khad> |Quad|: I installed Fedora. No problem. THen I installed Ubuntu in leftover space. How do I access my Fedora installation since GRUB didn't autodetect it?
[03:39] <NixerX> What packages do i need to play mp3's?
[03:39] <lek> nixerx, depends on the program you use to play, some come with decoders
[03:39] <lek> xmms, etc
[03:39] <NixerX> ok.
[03:39] <DeepSpaceAnt> khad do u know what partitions fedora is on
[03:40] <khad> |QuaD|: Um. Let me check
[03:40] <DeepSpaceAnt> khad like hd1 etc..
[03:40] <punkrockguy318> lek, that's awesome!! the only packages I actually cared about (gaim, synaptic, firefox, xchat) are getting upgraded :) an no stupid libraries and getting upgraded to bork everything
[03:40] <punkrockguy318> and I can use my old configs from arch
[03:40] <Gmail> woooooow got my self +q in #gentoo
[03:40] <Gmail> party in my new house
[03:40] <lek> punkrockguy318, yep.
[03:41] <punkrockguy318> i have an apt-get question
[03:41] <DeepSpaceAnt> khad edit the /boot/grub/grub.conf or something like that file and add in another line for fedora pointing to the right partition
[03:41] <lek> what is it?
[03:41] <|QuaD|> khad: also what does your grub file look like
[03:41] <natex> khad, actually edit /boot/grub/menu.1st
[03:41] <punkrockguy318> let's say we have repo A and repo B.  Repo A has package X version 1.  Repo B has package X version 2... which one will be installed when I apt-get install X?
[03:42] <DeepSpaceAnt> natex: opps ty, that's what I ment im not in ubuntu rite now
[03:42] <khad> I am not sure because FC2 uses weird LVM stuff
[03:42] <natex> DeepSpaceAnt, np
[03:42] <|QuaD|> punkrockguy318: i believe version 2 (unless you modify pinning)
[03:42] <khad> I don't quit get it
[03:42] <lek> punk, latest version
[03:42] <punkrockguy318> lek, okay
[03:42] <khad>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[03:42] <khad> /dev/hdb1               1          13      104391   83  Linux
[03:42] <khad> /dev/hdb2              14        1837    14651280   83  Linux
[03:42] <khad> /dev/hdb3   *        1838        4803    23824395   83  Linux
[03:42] <khad> /dev/hdb4            4804        4865      498015    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[03:42] <khad> /dev/hdb5            4804        4865      497983+  82  Linux swap
[03:42] <|QuaD|> khad: NOOOO
[03:42] <khad> It is somewhere in there
[03:43] <punkrockguy318> another question:  is this any burning software available besides nautius (without installing kde)?
[03:43] <lek> if there happens to be a conflict, you could comment on a repos for temp
[03:43] <punkrockguy318> thanks
[03:43] <lek> punkrock, k3b is honestly the best, requires the kde stuff though.
[03:43] <DeepSpaceAnt> punkrockguy318 u could alwys install k3b..
[03:43] <natex> punkrockguy318, try http://biddell.co.uk/gnomebaker.php
[03:43] <|QuaD|> khad: where was redhad installed to?
[03:44] <punkrockguy318> natex are there debs available?
[03:44] <khad> I installed it on the whole drive (plus a swap) and then resized the partition with Ubuntu's installer
[03:44] <natex> punkrockguy318, hold on
[03:44] <khad> I think they share the swap partition
[03:44] <|QuaD|> khad: ?
[03:45] <khad> Quite frankly I don't know why W95 is listed on the drive
[03:45] <|QuaD|> do u have a fat partition?
[03:45] <khad> I never put one on that drive.
[03:45] <fast> can i use k3b with ubuntu?
[03:45] <khad> I have NTFS and FAT32 on hda
[03:45] <lek> fast, yes
[03:45] <RuffianSoldier> fast - I did
[03:45] <punkrockguy318> thanks a lot guys... you rock :)
[03:46] <lek> no problem
[03:46] <RuffianSoldier> k3b = only good K App
[03:46] <lek> agreeing with ruffian here
[03:46] <lek> oh and kbounce :)
[03:46] <gnoob> hey, how do i get root permissions in ubuntu?
[03:46] <fast> hmm... must say i quite like kde
[03:46] <khad> It looks like the sawp is just listed as being inside of the extended partition. Defaults to calling it W95?
[03:46] <lek> gnoob, use sudo
[03:46] <fast> just installed ubuntu out of curiosit
[03:46] <gnoob> lek; ok
[03:47] <fast> i like it
[03:47] <lek> fast, who doesn't? :)
[03:47] <fast> but feel a bit restricted
[03:47] <lek> fast, how so?
[03:47] <fast> by synaptic
[03:47] <gnoob> lek; su tells me i need a password. I don't have the password.
[03:47] <khad> The only boot partition listed is hdb3, I think that is Ubuntu?
[03:47] <lek> gnoob, sudo -s
[03:47] <lek> then use default password your set for your user
[03:48] <lek> you set*
[03:48] <fast> do u guys generally use synaptic?
[03:48] <lek> fast, no
[03:48] <punkrockguy318> ah :-D new xchat firefox and gaim :-D i'm happy
[03:48] <gnoob> lek; so now i could set my password with no problems right?
[03:48] <fast> ok say u want to install firefox 1.0... what do you do? download the source?
[03:48] <lek> gnoob, password for?
[03:48] <fast> i am used to gentoo... just emerge -u...
[03:48] <gnoob> lek; for root
[03:49] <lek> gnoob, why do you want a root account?
[03:49] <lek> you don't need one
[03:49] <punkrockguy318> fast, lek will give you a line to add your your sources.list
[03:49] <lek> and it's not safe
[03:49] <natex> gnoob, ubuntu doesn't use su it uses sudo. If you really need a root account you can 'sudo passwd root'
[03:49] <gnoob> lek; i don't know, it on other linux distros.
[03:49] <gnoob> ok
[03:50] <natex> gnoob, but sudo is "supposed" to be secure
[03:50] <khad> Hm.. I guess I'll find help somewhere else...?
[03:50] <fast> lek, can i have line for sources list?
[03:50] <lek> line for?
[03:50] <punkrockguy318> why is a root account insecure?
[03:50] <punkrockguy318> lek, for the backports
[03:50] <gnoob> natex; cool.  Is that question asked a lot?
[03:50] <natex> not sure :)
[03:51] <DeepSpaceAnt> natex - last time I checked my friend was able to do "su -" "pasword" and it workd..dunno why
[03:51] <gnoob> sudo -s workd
[03:51] <lek> it is "deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe"
[03:51] <gnoob> to get me a # prompt
[03:51] <natex> khad, you need to tell us which partition is Redhat
[03:52] <khad> I'm trying to figure it out because FC3 (maybe earlier versions as well) use some weird LVM stuff so it's not a simple matter of a single partition.
[03:52] <punkrockguy318> how is a root account insecure?
[03:52] <lek> how is it not?
[03:52] <natex> khad, which is Ubuntu then? And is there only two linux OS on this box?
[03:53] <khad> It looked as though there was a small boot partition that pointed to the actual partition. Am I crazy?
[03:53] <lek> punkrock, you must be a windows native kind of guy
[03:53] <khad> I have two hard drives. I am ignoring hda for the purpose of this discussion because it is only NTFS and FAT32 for Windows stuff
[03:53] <natex> khad, ok good
[03:53] <khad> On my hdb there is FC3 and Ubuntu only
[03:54] <RuffianSoldier> FC3?
[03:54] <RuffianSoldier> TRAITOR!
[03:54] <lek> haha
[03:54] <RuffianSoldier> FC3 killed my Ubuntu box!
[03:54] <natex> khad, and you are in ubuntu now?
[03:54] <lek> fc3 kills anything that lives
[03:54] <|QuaD|> why would you want fc3 and ubuntu?
[03:54] <punkrockguy318> okay.. i installed the "qc-usb-source" package... how do I compile and install it?
[03:54] <khad> natex:  Yes, I cannot access my FC3 installation becuase I am stupid and Ubuntu/GRUB did not autodetect it.
[03:55] <natex> khad, ok do a 'df' in a console for me.
[03:55] <punkrockguy318> hmm ubuntu detected my other linux partition
[03:55] <khad> I want to test KDE and XFCE and FC3 seems to better support them
[03:55] <lek> punkrock, ./ configure && make && sudo make install
[03:55] <punkrockguy318> lek, where is it installed to?
[03:55] <khad> (i.e.: I can just click a checkbox when I install FC3 to also get KDE and XFCE)
[03:55] <lek> you'll see when it installs
[03:55] <Agrajag> /usr/local usually
[03:56] <fast> lek, this backports thing is what exactly? and why isn't it there by default?
[03:56] <natex> khad, "df" in a console will tell us which is the Ubuntu partition
[03:56] <punkrockguy318> lek, i mean, where is the source installed to?  i got the ubuntu package
[03:56] <lek> fast, a friend of mine made it, it's not really known by many
[03:56] <khad> Fedora is weird. I would assume just one partition for Fedora and then Ubuntu gets its own and they can share swap partition?
[03:57] <fast> lek, so it will always have more up2date software on it?
[03:57] <khad> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[03:57] <khad> /dev/hdb3             23450068   3547732  18711120  16% /
[03:57] <khad> tmpfs                   128172         0    128172   0% /dev/shm
[03:57] <khad> /dev/hda5            109654312  65804156  43850156  61% /mnt/backup
[03:57] <punkrockguy318> how do I find out what files are installed by a particular package/
[03:57] <lek> fast, not always, whenever he puts it up
[03:57] <|QuaD|> khad: NO PASTING!!!!
[03:57] <lek> fast, pretty up to date for now though
[03:57] <khad> |QuaD|, where is the rulebook?
[03:57] <|QuaD|> khad: its irc etiquitte
[03:57] <lek> be back in a second
[03:58] <trans_err> i have an A7N266-wm motherboard and I just replaced the integrated video card with a GeForce 5700... However, now I get random freezes when using any form of AGP (rather it be agpgart or nvagp)... These freezes are not temp related as it runs fine with no agp support, the free driver also works with out any freezes...
[03:58] <khad> Apologies for the bad etiquette, but it is merely four lines
[03:58] <|QuaD|> khad: doesn't matter
[03:58] <khad> |Quad|, How am I to know this?
[03:58] <natex> netcops will catch you
[03:58] <|QuaD|> :)
[03:59] <khad> Uh-oh! I hear sirens on my speakers
[03:59] <khad> Seriously, though, is there something I should read before chatting in here?
[03:59] <gnoob> is this the officia ubunto help channel?
[03:59] <tuppa> watch out for gestapos with the canonical logo as the armpatch
[04:00] <neoxed> lease Remember Me.mp3 at 10132.59 KB/s
[04:00] <khad> Is there an AOL Terms of Service? I mean.. Ubuntu IRC terms of service?
[04:00] <trans_err> anyone at all?
[04:01] <fast> man evolution has improved a lot since i last used it!
[04:01] <infie> Anyone know of a nice flowchart program?
[04:01] <fast> i suppose that is novells doing? many new releases?
[04:02] <natex> trans_err, sounds like more of a hardware question. not really ubuntu related
[04:02] <|QuaD|> infie: i like 2 programs (depending what you need)
[04:02] <|QuaD|> first dia
[04:02] <tiago> hi there, I reinstall my system and just maked backup of /var/cache/apt, how can I back this previus packages in my new installation?
[04:03] <|QuaD|> infie: looking for the name of the second, this is a program i like better, hold up
[04:03] <rushibhai> tiago: dpkg?
[04:03] <natex> khad, hdb1 is probably the FC boot partition
[04:03] <tiago> rushibhai, humm, I try
[04:03] <infie> Kivio perhaps?
[04:03] <natex> infie, I'll pipe in while he's looking, openoffice-draw works pretty good
[04:04] <infie> ok thanks
[04:04] <|QuaD|> infie: nope
[04:04] <infie> I'm grabbing dia
[04:04] <natex> inkscape?
[04:04] <infie> and I'll see which I like better
[04:04] <trans_err> natex, well I use ubuntu- so i thought there might be some folks who know... i really hope this room does not turn into another #debian elitist chat
[04:04] <|QuaD|> infie: its a java prog... dia is really nice for flowcharts though
[04:04] <infie> ok
[04:04] <infie> well thanks
[04:04] <|QuaD|> trans_err = troll?
[04:04] <infie> I just hope it handles larger flowcharts
[04:04] <tiago> rushibhai, just dpkg install package.deb, right?
[04:04] <infie> in a nice way
[04:04] <natex> trans_err, well if you'd like to get a good answer, why not ask where you are likely to get one?
[04:05] <|QuaD|> infie: dia will, this other program probably not
[04:05] <natex> trans_err, if it were me I'd ask in a hardware forum, that's all
[04:05] <rushibhai> tiago: you can do something like dpkg --install --recursive directory
[04:06] <rushibhai> where directory contains your packages.
[04:06] <|QuaD|> infie: its called freemind, more of a mindmap then a flowchart, but it is a lot cooler (imho), not on the repos though)
[04:06] <rushibhai> check out the man page.
[04:07] <zenwhen> Hey you all are welcome in #ubuntuforums for light hearted linux chat and stupidity. :)
[04:07] <infie> freemind- thanks
[04:07] <infie> I'll look it up
[04:07] <lek> go fix your computers zenwhen
[04:07] <zenwhen> hehe
[04:07] <trans_err> |QuaD|, not quite
[04:08] <tuppa> lovely
[04:09] <tuppa> no more pissing around with thinkpad-source to get dynamic cpu speed to work
[04:12] <fast> i got the latest versions now!!!
[04:14] <fast> is kde available for ubuntu?
[04:14] <Agrajag> yes
[04:14] <Agrajag> you need ot use the universe repository
[04:14] <natex> careful fast, you are going to break your ubuntu ;)
[04:14] <Agrajag> instructions to do that are in the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:15] <|QuaD|> fast: can i reccomend against kde?
[04:15] <|QuaD|> fast i love kde.... i don't use it with ubuntu hough
[04:15] <fast> hmm i may stay clear
[04:16] <RAK2> Is there a problem with KDE under ubuntu, it seems to run fine here, anything I should know?
[04:16] <neoxed> any one know where i can get some cool gnome skins?
[04:16] <natex> hehe...gnome skins
[04:16] <natex> sorry.
[04:16] <Agrajag> gnome themes
[04:16] <Agrajag> I tihnk the package you want is gnome-themes-extras
[04:17] <neoxed> ok thanks
[04:17] <Agrajag> I highly recommend Ximian Industrial.
[04:17] <neoxed> okia
[04:17] <|QuaD|> ximian industrial?
[04:17] <neoxed> ;0
[04:17] <|QuaD|> link?
[04:17] <tomchuk> neoxed: gnome-look.org and art.gnome.org are good too
[04:18] <KeeGold> Hi! Anybody care to help me with upgrading discover?
[04:18] <|QuaD|> KeeGold: what do you mean
[04:18] <neoxed> oo
[04:18] <neoxed> kool
[04:19] <s0cks> can we run dual procs?
[04:19] <KeeGold> ubuntu seems to be using discover1 which never works from the command line.
[04:19] <KeeGold> I would like to upgrade to v2
[04:19] <tomchuk> s0cks: yes
[04:19] <KeeGold> But ubuntu-base depends on discover1
[04:19] <khad> neoxed: There are good things at http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/theme.php
[04:20] <neoxed> koool
[04:20] <neoxed> im loaded now :)
[04:21] <Agrajag> |QuaD|: industrial is basically the same as Human, only blue instead of brown, and rounded
[04:21] <Agrajag> Human was based on Industrial
[04:22] <zenwhen> I like the human window boarder.
[04:22] <Agrajag> eh
[04:22] <zenwhen> I use it with the industrial GTK engine
[04:22] <zenwhen> I dont like rounded crap.
[04:22] <Agrajag> well, that's what the human theme uses anyway
[04:23] <zenwhen> Oh?
[04:23] <Agrajag> yeah
[04:23] <zenwhen> Not the one I have
[04:23] <Agrajag> the windows borders are very similar too
[04:23] <Agrajag> o rly
[04:23] <Agrajag> let me check on that, I could have sworn...
[04:23] <zenwhen> yeah
[04:23] <zenwhen> human is square for me
[04:23] <Agrajag> looks the exact same to me
[04:23] <Agrajag> the windows you mean?
[04:23] <zenwhen> yes
[04:23] <Agrajag> or the buttons?
[04:24] <Agrajag> oh
[04:24] <zenwhen> the windows
[04:24] <natex> I wish it was rounded and stipple titlebar
[04:24] <Agrajag> well that's metacity, not the GTK engine
[04:24] <zenwhen> Oh
[04:24] <zenwhen> whatver
[04:24] <Agrajag> they both use the same GTK engine
[04:24] <zenwhen> >:(
[04:24] <Agrajag> owned
[04:24] <Agrajag> >:)
[04:24] <zenwhen> I am going to curse you in #ubuntuforums now
[04:24] <Agrajag> >:(
[04:30] <wasabi> Trying to get a SiS 82C204 to work right. Ubuntu's GDM won't start by default.
[04:30] <wasabi> Detects everything perfectly though, just doesn't load
[04:33] <tomchuk> wasabi: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[04:34] <DigiKill> evenin.....
[04:34] <wasabi> (EE) No devices detected.
[04:34] <wasabi> tomchuk, which is odd because right above it it talks about the SiS card being hte primary device. ;0
[04:34] <wasabi> (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:0c:0
[04:34] <wasabi> (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
[04:34] <wasabi> (EE) No devices detected.
[04:34] <DigiKill> curious if anyone's runnin ubuntu on PPC cpus in here?
[04:34] <tomchuk> wasabi: weird, what driver is listed in /etc/X11/XF86Config?
[04:34] <wasabi> sis
[04:35] <|QuaD|> is there a way to turn off auto redirect in firefox?
[04:35] <wasabi> It detects it fine. Loads the module. Prints out the info.
[04:35] <tomchuk> wasabi: try vesa to see if it'll start
[04:35] <wasabi> And then says no device.
[04:35] <wasabi> k
[04:35] <farruinn> DigiKill: I am
[04:35] <wasabi> vesa worked. =(
[04:35] <wasabi> which is fine. Just sucks.
[04:35] <DigiKill> cool farruinn
[04:35] <farruinn> DigiKill: works rather well
[04:36] <DigiKill> did it pick up hardware pretty well?
[04:36] <tomchuk> wasabi: hmm, you might try installing a dri snapshot from dri.sf.net
[04:36] <farruinn> DigiKill: well the first time it did... I'm reinstalling right now and it's not going as well as it did the first time
[04:37] <DigiKill> what kind of issues?
[04:37] <tomchuk> DigiKill: what graphics card?
[04:37] <DigiKill> ati and an geforce2
[04:38] <farruinn> DigiKill: for some reason openoffice.org didn't install correctly - I ended up with broken packages, but I'm running apt-get install ubuntu-desktop now to fix it all
[04:38] <bpd1069> <-- went through the ATI hell
[04:38] <farruinn> and it didn't detect my X settings like it did last time.
[04:39] <DigiKill> its an old ATI card.....fairly well supported on other linux ive used...
[04:39] <DigiKill> just ive never used it w. Mac hardware
[04:40] <tomchuk> DigiKill: should be fine, you'll have to do some reading on configuring Xinerama
[04:41] <DigiKill> bpd1069: what ati card you using?
[04:41] <DigiKill> xinerama?
[04:41] <bpd1069> discount bin : PCI 93200SE 128mb
[04:41] <billytwowilly> ick
[04:41] <bpd1069> oops 9200SE
[04:41] <billytwowilly> ati=poo
[04:41] <billytwowilly> nvidia=good on linux
[04:41] <bpd1069> my budget is configured for poo
[04:42] <billytwowilly> heh
[04:42] <tomchuk> ati = good on linux with ope source driver
[04:42] <billytwowilly> well, on the windows side ati is currently destroying nvidia in the highend and medium end.
[04:42] <DigiKill> ahh...yeah...last good ati card for linux i knew was around the Ati radeon 7k...
[04:42] <tomchuk> well, decent on linux
[04:42] <DigiKill> at least that ive used
[04:43] <bpd1069> well PCI ati cards are horrible.. low memory bandwidth... thats all I can say, can't get over 250fps with glxgears  :(
[04:43] <DigiKill> yeah...this is a pci ATI card in here
[04:43] <DigiKill> anyone have issues w. SCSI Cards at all?
[04:43] <tomchuk> it'll work fine, just don't expect miracles regarding 3D
[04:44] <bpd1069> word of advice...  I commented out the dbe module for XF and it improved performance 2 fold...
[04:46] <farruinn> ah, fresh installation
[04:47] <DigiKill> what else other than Gnome is default installed for a Window Manager?
[04:47] <DigiKill> icewm i'd guess
[04:47] <farruinn> nothing =)
[04:47] <farruinn> it's only one cd though
[04:47] <DigiKill> nothin?
[04:48] <farruinn> you can install anything (but kde) easily using apt
[04:48] <DigiKill> yeah....
[04:48] <billytwowilly> woot. gnome menus update installing now.
[04:48] <DigiKill> ive moved away from kde...
[04:48] <farruinn> it's all available on the repositories, but by default just gnome
[04:48] <billytwowilly> Does this mean we're back to good menus?
[04:48] <DigiKill> i like xfce at the moment
[04:48] <farruinn> heh, I was just going to ask you that =)
[04:49] <farruinn> DigiKill: yeah, just install it with apt once you're in
[04:49] <DigiKill> well its the only window manager i can really use since my OSX install's fubar'd
[04:49] <DigiKill> actually i have xfce running w. Fluxbox as the actual 'window manager'
[04:50] <DigiKill> on top of the OSX Gui..<quartz-wm
[04:50] <DigiKill> its rather interesting having 3 toolbars
[04:51] <bpd1069> since my hardware is a bit dated sticking with wmaker for now...
[04:51] <farruinn> I prefer fluxbox or afterstep actually over wmaker
[04:51] <DigiKill> bpd1069: i'd guess you are on pc architecture
[04:52] <farruinn> bpd1069: how old is your machine?
[04:52] <bpd1069> was my first wmanager from waaaaaaay back.. so i have a soft spot for it..
[04:52] <DigiKill> i really like the *box's
[04:52] <DigiKill> open/black/flux
[04:52] <bpd1069> yes...  wish i had an mac to play with
[04:52] <DigiKill> enlightenment is fun too...
[04:52] <DigiKill> a bit unstable....
[04:52] <bpd1069> farruinn : celeron 466...
[04:52] <DigiKill> but isnt that the point ;)
[04:53] <DigiKill> bpd1069: if you wanna pick up a cheap mac check out Retrobox.com
[04:53] <DigiKill> if you are in the US
[04:53] <DigiKill> they have all sorts of cheap stuff there
[04:53] <DigiKill> quad sparc cpu servers for like 300$
[04:53] <DigiKill> crazy stuff...
[04:53] <bpd1069> DigiKill thanks for the info.. will keep my eye open... I have an old PowerComputing box somewhere in my closet...  hehe  maybe I should revive it
[04:54] <DigiKill> put debian on it for ppc ;)
[04:54] <alakdan> hello, im trying to install zopex3-sandbox, it seems there are broken dependencies, since it looks for zope3-lib when the package is zopex3-lib , and the zopex3-lib suggests installing zope3-sandbox
[04:54] <DigiKill> since i know that'll run on even the oldest of boxes
[04:54] <alakdan> how do I get around this?
[04:54] <DigiKill> i have a buddy runnin it on a 99mhz box
[04:54] <bpd1069> DigiKill damn good Idea... can use it as a headless server for DNS/www/etc..
[04:55] <DigiKill> good idea
[04:55] <DigiKill> or else put a nice Router Distro on there...
[04:55] <DigiKill> devil linux or ipcop
[04:55] <bpd1069> DigiKill : just remembered, its in the trunk of my car.. think I'll see if it still powers up...
[04:55] <bpd1069> brb
[04:55] <bpd1069> ehhe
[04:55] <DigiKill> hahaa
[04:55] <DigiKill> kk
[04:57] <farruinn> hey, it's a ppc party!
[04:57] <farruinn> pugio, how goes it?
[04:57] <DigiKill> i love my ppc's
[04:57] <DigiKill> tho its hard to not like Dual CPUs
[04:58] <billytwowilly> bah.
[04:58] <DigiKill> same here billytwowilly
[04:58] <DigiKill> those loook like FUN
[04:58] <billytwowilly> how about dual cpu dual core processors?
[04:58] <billytwowilly> BOO YAH!
[04:58] <billytwowilly> ;)
[04:59] <DigiKill> or a nice quad cpu setup ;)
[04:59] <billytwowilly> Heh. same shizizzle, different pizzizzle;)
[05:00] <|QuaD|> i have a somewhat off topic question... i have a password, and it enrypted... how can i figure out the encryption scheme?
[05:00] <billytwowilly> heh.
[05:00] <unperson> Anyone willing to field a question about sed?
[05:00] <K-otiK> is there a way in debian to copy a DVD onto your hd? or an iso image of an OS?
[05:00] <DigiKill> yes K-otiK
[05:00] <tomchuk> unperson: I can try
[05:00] <DigiKill> there is
[05:00] <geppy> Are there any rippers that let you make use of more of the CDDB than grip does?
[05:00] <K-otiK> what prog do i use Digikill?
[05:01] <DigiKill> wait...my bad
[05:01] <billytwowilly> |QuaD|, http://www.phrack.org/
[05:01] <DigiKill> i read that wrong
[05:01] <DigiKill> was thinkin you wanted ot install debian from hdd
[05:01] <DigiKill> my bad..
[05:01] <|QuaD|> billytwowilly: thanks
[05:01] <|QuaD|> billytwowilly: do you knwo where on that to look?
[05:01] <geppy> K-otiK: transcode?
[05:01] <K-otiK> bah, so you wouldnt' know? im interested in putting OS's for download on my ftp server anyone know how to copy ISO's to your hd?
[05:01] <RuffianSoldier> OSOO REFRRESHING
[05:01] <geppy> K-otiK: oh
[05:02] <K-otiK> ill google it
[05:02] <geppy> K-otiK: dd if=/dev/hdx of=changeme.iso
[05:02] <billytwowilly> |QuaD|, no idea, that's just all sorts of hacking goodness
[05:02] <billytwowilly> search google, I bet there is a really good brute force password breaker that will tell you.
[05:02] <K-otiK> hackers are the devil
[05:02] <bpd1069> omg this thing is ancient...
[05:03] <unperson> I want to use sed to edit a file and replace it with the edited version.  I tried sed -e [script]  file > file, but the file ends up blank.  How do I do this correctly?
[05:03] <DigiKill> haha bpd1069
[05:03] <K-otiK> |Quad|
[05:03] <K-otiK> whats the password from?
[05:03] <bpd1069> PowerCenter 132...  I think it has an XLR8R in it though at 233 or so
[05:03] <unperson> Clearly I could do sed -e [script]  file > temp; mv temp file.  Is that the best choice?
[05:03] <K-otiK> pm me i might be able to help
[05:04] <pridkett> does openoffice ship with the PyUno (python scripting module)?  It doesn't seem like it does, even though OO.o says that its part of the default install
[05:04] <DigiKill> mac clone i'd guess?
[05:04] <geppy> pridkett:  The Ubuntu install is _not_ the default install.
[05:04] <bpd1069> DigiKill : yes...  my MacII is officially dead  : )
[05:05] <lek> a dead mac is a good mac
[05:05] <regeya> ha.  ha.  ha.
[05:05] <pridkett> geppy: I'm aware of that.  I'm wondering if anyone knows where I could find pyUno then.
[05:05] <regeya> lek: *everything* sucks.
[05:05] <geppy> pridkett:  What's the package name?
[05:06] <lek> regeya, clearly
[05:06] <geppy> pridkett: You could try apt-cache searching for oo.o packages.
[05:06] <pridkett> geppy: I'm not sure of the package name, I've been doing some searches and I can't seem to find that intuitively makes sense for it
[05:07] <geppy> pridkett:  I don't know what to say.  Google?
[05:07] <pridkett> yeah, google let me down.  That's why I figued I'd try the lazyweb.
[05:07] <merovigiam> hello ! :D
[05:07] <bpd1069> gonna steal this monitor and see if it actaully posts
[05:08] <DigiKill> im just hopin Ubuntu will like my dual monitors...
[05:08] <merovigiam> the ubuntu have xorg ?
[05:08] <merovigiam> default
[05:08] <lek> meroigiam, hoary does
[05:08] <lek> merovigiam*
[05:09] <merovigiam> my inglish is very bad :(
[05:09] <tomchuk> is anyone's English good on IRC???
[05:09] <billytwowilly> me speaky goood engrish
[05:09] <Agrajag> tomchuk: yes, of course.
[05:10] <regeya> oh dear god.
[05:10] <lek> mother of god
[05:10] <billytwowilly> I also butcher french and german;)
[05:10] <merovigiam> the ubuntu have xfree86  4.3 default !?
[05:10] <Rene_S> and I like to gas people who seem to thinks its ok to butcher Germans
[05:11] <Agrajag> merovigiam: yes
[05:11] <lek> whats wrong with butchering germans
[05:11] <merovigiam> humm, good :)
[05:11] <Agrajag> merovigiam: the next release will use xorg
[05:11] <billytwowilly> lek, depends when you decide to do it...
[05:11] <lek> now
[05:11] <billytwowilly> lek, ie now would be bad, 1942, not so much.
[05:12] <DigiKill> dont butcher the germans.....they use linux
[05:12] <lek> lunixxx
[05:12] <billytwowilly> That's true. They are also have a remarkably low level of retards in their population... I wonder why that could be...
[05:12] <Rene_S> Well I got a easy bake oven for my first birthday, It sat 10
[05:13] <billytwowilly> ***cough** Hitler **cough**
[05:13] <tuppa> anyone here using hoary?
[05:13] <lek> of course tuppa
[05:14] <Rene_S> any how lets discuss something more interesting, like Aliens and why the Americans are lying to protect them
[05:14] <billytwowilly> it's nice
[05:14] <lek> i'm a alien
[05:14] <tuppa> lek:  found the main GNOME menu is, well, back as how GNOME originally was?
[05:14] <billytwowilly> because americans are dumb and can't handle the truth. It would conflict too much with their religion.
[05:14] <merovigiam> Ubuntu Linux 4.10 --> server graphics Xorg Correct ?
[05:14] <geppy> billytwowilly:  Oh, right... the American Religion.
[05:15] <Rene_S> Ok Capitalism and War are not really religions.
[05:15] <billytwowilly> geppy, evangelical christians
[05:15] <geppy> billytwowilly:  Not all Americans are evangelical christians.
[05:15] <Agrajag> merovigiam: no
[05:16] <billytwowilly> geppy, I realize that. it's called over generalizations;)
[05:16] <Agrajag> 4.10 is Warty, the current version.
[05:16] <Agrajag> Warty uses Xfree86
[05:16] <natex> billytwowilly, only the ones in the Red States
[05:16] <billytwowilly> aka jesusland
[05:16] <geppy> natex:  hahaha
[05:16] <natex> yah
[05:16] <merovigiam> ok
[05:16] <merovigiam> tanks
[05:16] <merovigiam> :D
[05:16] <regeya> there's very little difference between X.Org and Xfree86 yet; most the changes in the former are code cleanup.  I wouldn't worry about it.
[05:16] <regeya> and I'm in a blue state and surrounded with evangelical christians.
[05:17] <regeya> or at least they think they're christians.
[05:17] <Agrajag> I dunno, I kind of got used to compose and damage for the month or so I used xorg in gentoo
[05:17] <Agrajag> only a few months till hoary though
[05:17] <regeya> you got that to work in gentoo, eh?
[05:17] <Agrajag> yeah, worked great
[05:17] <regeya> hell, I had trouble getting xkb working in gentoo. ;-D
[05:17] <geppy> anyone know of any _good_ rippers out there that aren't grip, and aren't cli?
[05:17] <regeya> um.
[05:17] <mbp__> geppy: abcde
[05:17] <mbp__> it's great
[05:17] <regeya> what's wrong with grip, eh?  just curious...
[05:18] <DigiKill> ripit.pl
[05:18] <regeya> abcde is great
[05:18] <Agrajag> I didn't bother using xcompmgr for any shadows effects though, they caused too much crap, I just used it to enable damage
[05:18] <mbp__> i run it under screen, so i can log out
[05:18] <DigiKill> ive heard that works nice
[05:18] <geppy> mbp__:  _not cli_?
[05:18] <mbp__> oh
[05:18] <mbp__> nevermind,
[05:18] <regeya> kaudiocreator
[05:18] <mbp__> it's barely cli, you don't need to specify anything
[05:18] <geppy> regeya:  Grip doesn't let you use any other CDDB info
[05:19] <regeya> what other cddb info?
[05:19] <regeya> it's hard to recommend a tool when we don't know what you're looking for :-D
[05:19] <kirt> Ok, i just updated my system in hoary and my menus are back (thank you), but now in my Places menu I have entries for folders that don't exist.. I assume these came from the filechooser's favourites.. does anyone know how to clear it?
[05:19] <regeya> and if it's possible that you just missed a feature in grip, and I know about it, I could recommend doing that.  *shrug*
[05:20] <bpd1069> hmmm... well that didn't work...
[05:20] <geppy> regeya:  http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:k0z6wS4PFlYJ:www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html+vorbis+comments&hl=en&start=1&client=firefox
[05:21] <bpd1069> is there anyway to make a ubuntu install disk (floppy) and telnet into that thing to install? (yes I know just grasping at straws
[05:21] <bborkk> Anyone have any experience using the Casio Exilim line of digital cameras with Ubuntu?  Is the cradle necessary, or can everything be done using only a USB cable?
[05:21] <regeya> geppy: um, that's the proposed ogg vorbis comment spec.  what's that got to do with cddb?
[05:21] <wasabi> What's a linux command that is equivilent to netstat on FBSD? Netstat -aw1 specifically. It prints the number of packets and bytes that pass the network interfaces once a second.
[05:22] <bpd1069> wasabi  : i know the -c makes the updating continuous /per sec
[05:22] <geppy> regeya:  Eh, sorry;  I should've linked to the CDDB pages.  But there are CDDB counterparts for all of those fields, and I'd like to utilize all of them.
[05:23] <regeya> geppy: you have a client that displays an isrc number?
[05:23] <regeya> neato.
[05:24] <mbp__> wasabi: maybe 'watch ifconfig'? not an exact match.
[05:24] <geppy> regeya:  No, but I'm looking into getting all of the information in _now_ so that I don't have to change anything once I've ripped my CD collection.
[05:24] <regeya> does freedb really give isrc, version, etc. numbers?  I feel lucky if tracks have the correct trackname, artist, track number, and genre.
[05:24] <geppy> regeya:  I've already ripped it once in ogg, and now, I'm going back for flac.
[05:25] <geppy> regeya:  Hmm... I'd kind of ignored the "ISRC" and "VERSION" ones;  I'
[05:25] <geppy> m
[05:25] <lek> m
[05:26] <geppy> looking for all the other ones, though,  "Location" probably won't see much use.
[05:26] <geppy> heh
[05:26] <bpd1069> anyone know a way to scan my lan for IP addresses?  just hooked up a headless PPC and plugged a network cable into a hub...
[05:28] <GotD0t> bpd1069: maybe you should put its head back on ;-)
[05:28] <DigiKill> bpd1069: did you setup a OS on it already?
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> whats teh ubuntu after hoary going to be called?
[05:28] <geppy> regeya:  Any ideas?
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> dumbass dolphin?
[05:28] <billytwowilly> it's on the website.
[05:28] <GotD0t> whoarty
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[05:28] <bpd1069> GotD0t : can't get the video to work.. (mac clone from truck!)
[05:29] <GotD0t> have you ever tried typing two words at once
[05:29] <GotD0t> its fun
[05:29] <GotD0t> and you get something like that
[05:29] <bpd1069> DigiKill : it used to have OS 9 on it.. but not sure if it still works
[05:29] <billytwowilly> grumpy groundhog
[05:29] <GotD0t> you're kidding
[05:29] <GotD0t> thats horrible
[05:29] <billytwowilly> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[05:30] <DigiKill> bpd1069: couldnt you just nmap your lan addy spectrum?
[05:30] <billytwowilly> scroll down to releases.
[05:30] <RuffianSoldier> billytwowilly - really?
[05:30] <bpd1069> DigiKill : thanks.. those are the magic words I was looking for
[05:30] <bpd1069> heh
[05:30] <GotD0t> i think ill have to forego grumpy groundhog cuz the name sucks
[05:31] <geppy> regeya: Any suggestions?
[05:31] <bpd1069> sonic the hedgehog?  ya know there is a gene named that...
[05:32] <zenwhen> hey RuffianSoldier
[05:32] <RuffianSoldier> hi zenwhen
[05:32] <zenwhen> want to idle in #ubuntuforums and pimp beatrix?
[05:32] <zenwhen> :)
[05:33] <RuffianSoldier> hell ya
[05:33] <farruinn> yay, ubhuti's back!
[05:33] <zenwhen> come on in :P
[05:34] <billytwowilly> heh. They should have called it ubhuti
[05:34] <billytwowilly> that would have been awesome.
[05:34] <regeya> BLOOTBLOT
[05:34] <regeya> ubhuti: no, regeya is a hopeless raving idiot.
[05:34] <ubhuti> regeya: okay
[05:35] <regeya> we've gotten that out of the way...
[05:35] <bpd1069> nmap has an obscene number of options...  any decent GUI front ends for this monster?
[05:35] <regeya> ubhuti, regeya?
[05:35] <ubhuti> regeya: Wish i knew
[05:35] <billytwowilly> fenmap
[05:35] <regeya> GAH!
[05:35] <billytwowilly> err.
[05:35] <billytwowilly> nmapfe
[05:35] <bpd1069> billytwowilly thanks
[05:35] <bpd1069> er.. ok that too!
[05:36] <khad> I still can't figure out how to boot into my FC3 installation
[05:36] <khad> Argh...
[05:36] <khad> Maybe I should find an FC3 channel
[05:36] <DigiKill> wasabi: i had a friend try netstat -aw1  on Slackware....it worked fine for him on there
[05:37] <wasabi> netstat: invalid option -- 1
[05:37] <DigiKill> hmm....
[05:38] <DigiKill> could always check your manpages on netstat
[05:38] <wasabi> did. i don't see anything similar
[05:38] <DigiKill> i cant check...i have bsd based netstat
[05:40] <GotD0t> i need an app that will be able to read encrypted DVD's and save a decrypted image file on the hard disk
[05:40] <GotD0t> ubhuti: restrictedformats
[05:40] <ubhuti> Since there are some legal restrictions on what Ubuntu can freely release, some software my need to be aquired elsewhere.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats to find out how you can get this non-free software.
[05:40] <GotD0t> hehe
[05:41] <GotD0t> ubhuti: ubhuti
[05:41] <ubhuti> Hello, I'm Ubhuti, a simple blootbot. My name is Zulu for "brother".
[05:41] <farruinn> somethings' fucked up with the mysql db
[05:41] <GotD0t> ?
[05:41] <farruinn> I can't add anything
[05:41] <farruinn> go ahead and msg ubhuti
[05:41] <farruinn> try to teach it something
[05:42] <GotD0t> ubhuti: GotD0t is the best
[05:42] <ubhuti> okay, GotD0t
[05:42] <GotD0t> ubhuti:
[05:42] <ubhuti> Bugger all, I dunno, GotD0t
[05:42] <GotD0t> ubhuti: gotd0t
[05:42] <ubhuti> I haven't a clue, GotD0t
[05:42] <GotD0t> ubhuti: GotD0t
[05:42] <ubhuti> I don't know, GotD0t
[05:42] <GotD0t> hmm
[05:42] <zenwhen> oh wow a bot
[05:43] <farruinn> GotD0t: you should /msg him to keep the noise down in here
[05:43] <zenwhen> whose bot is it?
[05:43] <GotD0t> sorry
[05:43] <RuffianSoldier> I like bots
[05:43] <farruinn> np
[05:43] <farruinn> zenwhen: mine
[05:43] <zenwhen> oh cool
[05:44] <farruinn> but I just had to reinstall ubuntu (x was borked) and I don't think I backed up the mysql db correctly
[05:44] <zenwhen> can he join #ubuntuforums too? :D
[05:44] <farruinn> oh sure
[05:44] <farruinn> didn't know about that channel
[05:44] <zenwhen> Im getting the word out
[05:47] <GotD0t> farruinn: you're right, his db is borked
[05:47] <farruinn> yeah, I think it's a permissions thing
[05:47] <farruinn> I'm looking into it
[05:47] <farruinn> don't say borked though - I don't think it's that bad!
[05:49] <DigiKill> GotD0t: DVD Ripping : http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/
[05:49] <DigiKill> check that out
[05:49] <GotD0t> farruinn: well it doesnt work as of know, therefore db = borked
[05:49] <GotD0t> thankd DigiKill
[05:49] <DigiKill> its lookin complicated...
[05:49] <DigiKill> mplayer and a bunch of other stuff needed
[05:50] <GotD0t> all i need is the dvd iso unencrypted... i have other uses for the iso
[05:52] <wasabi> What's that program I run to set the hostname and such?
[05:52] <Gmail> !ping
[05:52] <Gmail> please
[05:53] <Gmail> i need to see if i am still connected
[05:53] <crimsun> you are
[05:53] <natex> lol
[05:53] <GotD0t> wtf?
[05:53] <Gmail> good
[05:53] <Gmail> well there is no pppd running
[05:53] <Gmail> very strange
[05:54] <alakdan> wasabi: ifconfig will list the number of tx rx packets
[05:54] <Gmail> and i can't ping anything
[05:54] <wasabi> alakdan, duh.
[05:54] <wasabi> alakdan, i asked my question the way I did for a reason.
[05:54] <Gmail> well ifconfig show its there
[06:05] <DigiKill> wasabi: what exactly are you lookin for ?  printout to printer? or just updated all the time?
[06:05] <wasabi> exactly what netstat -aw1 does. It prints out the bytecount once a second since the last printout.
[06:08] <GotD0t> does anybody know off an app that will make a dvd iso from a properly structured directory?
[06:08] <DigiKill> wasabi: netstat -ac
[06:08] <Rene_S> Connection reset by peer ?  Who's that peer guy and why is he reseting connections ?
[06:09] <GotD0t> Rene_S: good question
[06:09] <geppy> GotD0t:  ISO is a standard;  you don't need to make a "dvd iso"
[06:09] <wasabi> DigiKill, that isn't anything near it.
[06:09] <geppy> GotD0t: mkisofs
[06:09] <crimsun> wasabi: -aw1 doesn't even work here
[06:09] <GotD0t> geppy: hmm, ok
[06:09] <wasabi> I KNOW
[06:09] <wasabi> is anybodyr eading my question? heh.
[06:10] <DigiKill> im watching netstat -aw1 right now
[06:10] <crimsun> wasabi: why not use watch(1) and `netstat -a --statistics'?
[06:10] <DigiKill> i'd use bmon for that instead
[06:10] <wasabi> crimsun, because that command is Really Long
[06:11] <wasabi> and doesn't show a packet count
[06:11] <crimsun> then use -n
[06:16] <farruinn> yay, ubhuti's well again
[06:17] <DigiKill> wasabi: bmon shows packets updated every second  on both rx/tx sides
[06:17] <DigiKill> only thing i can think of w.out havin a linux box in front of me
[06:17] <DigiKill> the netstat -aw1 is nice tho.
[06:18] <GotD0t> ubhuti: gotd0t
[06:18] <ubhuti> [gotd0t]  the coolest
[06:18] <davide> hello, i got this problem with eth1. for some reason linux started seeing my eht1 as eth2. now my wireless connection doesn't work. if i start cardmgr it just makes me wait forever. does anybody knows what i can do? i tried to go in recovery mode but if i use cardmgr there it tells me that i have no pcmcia entry in /proc/devices.
[06:19] <GotD0t> hehe
[06:21] <DigiKill> no clue davide : ive yet to toy w. Linux and WiFi
[06:21] <farruinn> davide, you might take a look at the ubuntu-users mailing list archive
[06:21] <farruinn> there was a thread on wireless+ubuntu not long ago
[06:21] <farruinn> I didn't follow it though :/
[06:21] <wasabi> i'm having trouble with postfix. I am using the mail command to send me mail.
[06:22] <wasabi> But it is trying to send to hostname.domainname.domainname.
[06:22] <wasabi> And saying bad delivery
[06:22] <omalley> davide: what does iwconfig tell you?
[06:23] <Triple5> Anyone here using a slow pc
[06:23] <|QuaD|> Triple5: me
[06:23] <Triple5> |QuaD|, wat u running
[06:23] <davide> iwconfig sees my card as eht2 but the light on the card goes up and down
[06:23] <|QuaD|> p 2.6Ghz
[06:23] <|QuaD|> *p4
[06:23] <Triple5> please
[06:23] <Triple5> that aint slow
[06:23] <Triple5> Something like this instead
[06:24] <Triple5> Gateway Desktop Flex Case
[06:24] <Triple5> Celeron 635mhz 256mb sdram 20gb hd western digital 5400rpmDriver: i810 (intel)
[06:24] <Triple5> Card: 82810E CD-133 CGC (Chipset Graphics Controller)
[06:24] <|QuaD|> i think mine is slow, i want a new
[06:24] <|QuaD|> wow that is slow
[06:24] <Triple5> yes it is
[06:25] <Triple5> its so slow Ubuntu can't run there
[06:25] <Triple5> but then Progeny Debian flies
[06:25] <|QuaD|> really?
[06:25] <wasabi> Im using a 400mhz and it's fine.
[06:25] <Triple5> Yea Ubuntu runs too slow there
[06:25] <Triple5> I dont know why
[06:25] <wasabi> graphics problem?
[06:25] <Triple5> BeatrIX (alternative of Ubuntu) its great
[06:25] <Triple5> wasabi, yup
[06:25] <Triple5> Slow
[06:25] <wasabi> switch to vesa and see if it changes.
[06:25] <Triple5> hmm
[06:25] <Triple5> should try
[06:26] <Triple5> but probably its already in Vesa?
[06:26] <wasabi> no clue.
[06:27] <omalley> davide: on my old fedora 2 box, i had to reload yenta-socket module
[06:27] <tritium> Hmm...my panel is completely empty.
[06:27] <Triple5> wasabi, you running hoary or warty
[06:27] <tritium> Is there a current bug affecting the panel that makes the menus/applets/etc disapper?
[06:28] <tritium> disappear?
[06:28] <davide> omalley: how would i do?
[06:28] <crimsun> tritium: hoary?
[06:28] <tritium> crimsun, yes.
[06:28] <crimsun> tritium: the affected packages were updated today
[06:28] <omalley> davide: do a lsmod, see if yenta_socket shows up
[06:28] <wasabi> Triple5, warty
[06:28] <Triple5> check to see if you're on vesa :-p
[06:28] <tritium> crimsun, I just did an update/upgrade.  Nothing new now.
[06:29] <crimsun> 2.9.2cvs041212-0ubuntu3?
[06:29] <tritium> crimsun, Yeah, installed.
[06:30] <tritium> Is that what's causing the breakage?
[06:30] <crimsun> possibly, though it's supposed to _correct_ it
[06:31] <tritium> crimsun, definitely not the effect for me...
[06:31] <crimsun> I can't log out and choose a gnome session for another 20 mins
[06:31] <tritium> Why's that?
[06:31] <crimsun> waiting for a transfer to complete
[06:32] <tritium> That's odd that these packages are supposed to fix a problem that I didn't have until I installed them.
[06:32] <crimsun> were you using warty before, or...?
[06:32] <tritium> Yes, warty.
[06:32] <crimsun> that's why.
[06:32] <crimsun> The menu layout has changed for current Hoary
[06:33] <crimsun> (and Hoary is quite in flux currently wrt menus)
[06:33] <amathis> anyone here good with ssh / sftp?
[06:33] <tritium> I had some problems earlier in the week, then it was fixed.
[06:33] <amathis> how can I throttle my download to 100k?
[06:33] <tritium> I just checked /var/cache/apt/archives to be sure.  Those packages were just installed today.
[06:33] <crimsun> tritium: `gnome-menus' installed?
[06:33] <tritium> They have to be the cause.
[06:34] <tritium> crimsun, yep
[06:34] <crimsun> tritium: the packages have been "broken" for a few days
[06:34] <crimsun> tritium: like I said, Hoary is in development; one should expect things to break every so often
[06:34] <tritium> Yes...I know.  Too bad they don't have apt-listbugs working with bugzilla.
[06:35] <tritium> I usually avoided this kind of problem in Debian with apt-listbugs.
[06:35] <crimsun> I normally peruse ubuntu-users to see if there are any glaring problems, then I check in here
[06:36] <crimsun> only then do I allow apt-get to actually upgrade the hoary packages, since my system is pinned to sid+experimental
[06:37] <tritium> Well, thank goodness I had saved my session with some gnome-terminals.  They're all I've got.
[06:37] <crimsun> well, there's always the tried-and-true method of `app&' in a gnome-terminal
[06:38] <tritium> right
[06:39] <davide> hello, i am tring to reload yenta socket , how can i do?
[06:40] <tritium> crimsun, well, thanks.  I'm going to get going.
[06:40] <crimsun> np, g'luck
[06:40] <tritium> thanks.  take care.  bye
[06:40] <K-otiK> does anyone know how to copy DVD's onto your hd?
[06:41] <DigiKill> wb bpd1069
[06:41] <bpd1069> DigiKill : hey finally confirmed the Mac still works...  took a bit of time to get it to warm up..
[06:41] <DigiKill> nice bpd1069 : now to just rip out os9 and put a real distro on there ;)
[06:42] <bpd1069> DigiKill : don't have a adb mouse keyboard though.. so I might be able to install via the nic
[06:42] <pepsi_busy> how do i get my flash drive to work in hoary?
[06:42] <bpd1069> DigiKill : turns out it was 8.6
[06:42] <DigiKill> lan install should be fairly easy if you can get into cfdisk the drive
[06:42] <amathis> how can I throttle download speed in sftp??
[06:42] <DigiKill> lol...even more reason to cfdisk
[06:43] <DigiKill> sftp?  not sure....gftp has an option in it i know
[06:43] <bpd1069> DigiKill well first time even attempting something like that... the CDROM is missing...
[06:44] <tritium> crimsun, 1 reboot did not fix anything, but a second did.  I have new menus now.  Strange.
[06:44] <tritium> Anyway, bye again.
[06:44] <K-otiK> does anyone know how to copy DVD's onto your hd?
[06:45] <GotD0t> K-otiK: explain more of what you want to do
[06:45] <K-otiK> im starting an ftp server, i want to have DVD's like movies on their. but i dont 'know how to copy one to my harddrive
[06:46] <GotD0t> K-otiK: it depends how you want people to use the DVD's... for burning would be one way, for watching would be another
[06:46] <wasabi> Is there a way to set a per-user timezone? :)
[06:47] <DigiKill> bpd1069: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/install     should have all the info ya need for a LAN install
[06:47] <K-otiK> i want them to be able to burn them and to play them
[06:47] <bpd1069> thanks...
[06:47] <DigiKill> thats the only ppc distro ive seen w. lan install :S
[06:47] <mercurus> K-otiK: apt-cache search dvd
[06:47] <mercurus> (with universe enabled)
[06:48] <GotD0t> K-otiK: ok, now heres the kicker... im assuming the movies are encrypted... as in store bought?
[06:49] <GotD0t> K-otiK: ?
[06:49] <K-otiK> yea, totem wont play them
[06:49] <DigiKill> yeah...i like debian alot.
[06:50] <K-otiK> is that a problem?
[06:50] <DigiKill> Slackware tho, i do like that....and if they had made a better "Slackintosh" i woulda tried it
[06:50] <GotD0t> K-otiK: does bring up an extra layer of processing... but not anything you cant work around
[06:50] <Se7h> daammm
[06:51] <pepsi_busy> how can i mount my usb flash drive?
[06:51] <GotD0t> K-otiK: check out ubhuti restrictedformats
[06:51] <Se7h> just watched a movie...
[06:51] <GotD0t> err
[06:51] <GotD0t> ubhuti: restricted formats
[06:51] <ubhuti> GotD0t: I don't know
[06:51] <Se7h> man i crap my self
[06:51] <Se7h> lol
[06:51] <GotD0t> ubhuti: restrictedformats
[06:51] <ubhuti> GotD0t: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:51] <GotD0t> ubhuti: restrictedformat
[06:51] <ubhuti> Wish i knew, GotD0t
[06:51] <GotD0t> damn... his memory got killed
[06:51] <GotD0t> farruinn: his db is gone...
[06:51] <GotD0t> ubhuti: gotd0t
[06:51] <ubhuti> extra, extra, read all about it, gotd0t is the coolest
[06:51] <GotD0t> thats still there
[06:51] <GotD0t> hehe
[06:51] <farruinn> I know =(
[06:51] <farruinn> but at least we can add to him now
[06:52] <GotD0t> farruinn: true...
[06:52] <farruinn> there really wasn't that much to begin with
[06:52] <GotD0t> farruinn: there was restricted formats
[06:52] <GotD0t> K-otiK: im assuming you run warty?
[06:52] <farruinn> I need to go to bed now, but if you'd like to fill his little mind with tons of useful stuff be my guest =)
[06:52] <farruinn> I'll put the restrictedformats one back in
[06:52] <alakdan> how do I force install a package using dpkg or apt-get?
[06:52] <khadyoung> Well, I can't boot FC3
[06:53] <khadyoung> Does Ubuntu not support ext3?
[06:53] <gfg> it supports ext3
[06:53] <GotD0t> khadyoung: sure it does... im sure most people in here run ext3
[06:53] <GotD0t> khadyoung: i have 5 or so partitions with ext3
[06:53] <alakdan> khadyoung: what are you trying to do?
[06:54] <khadyoung> I can't boot into my FC3 install
[06:54] <munkee> alakdan: man dpkg. specifically the -i and --force-<blah> stuff
[06:54] <GotD0t> khadyoung: thats not an ubuntu problem... thats a grub problem
[06:54] <khadyoung> I can't even mount the FC3 partition in Ubuntu, though?
[06:54] <GotD0t> khadyoung: what happens when you try to mount it?
[06:55] <khadyoung> GotD0t, something about filesystem error
[06:55] <khadyoung> GotD0t, that's why I asked about ext3
[06:55] <GotD0t> khadyoung: please supply the exact error
[06:56] <dreamer> can anyone give me a hand for a sec? I can't seem to connect to freenode from my own box with irssi, but I can from a shell. Is there something I need to set up, like identd?
[06:56] <khadyoung> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb2,
[06:56] <khadyoung>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:57] <GotD0t> khadyoung: what mount options are you using
[06:57] <DigiKill> dreamer: not that i know of...i dont have identd going
[06:57] <dreamer> hrmm
[06:57] <DigiKill> tho im here in xchat
[06:57] <khadyoung> GotD0t, mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb2 /mnt/fedora
[06:58] <GotD0t> khadyoung: does /mnt/fedora exist?
[06:58] <khadyoung> GotD0t, Yep
[06:59] <GotD0t> khadyoung: are you sure of two things... is it located on /dev/hdb and is it actuallyn an ext3 fs?
[06:59] <khadyoung> GotD0t, I am pretty sure I resized /dev/hdb2 to make room for hdb3 when I installed Ubuntu. Could the Ubuntu installer have messed up the partition when it resized it?
[06:59] <mercurus> khadyoung: is there a valid filesystem on the partition since it was resized \ altered ?
[07:00] <khadyoung> mercurus, It doesn't seem like it now. I thought that the Ubuntu installer could do nondestructive resizing. Does it not?
[07:00] <GotD0t> :/
[07:01] <mercurus> khadyoung: I believe it is destructive ... but I'm no authority on the point
[07:01] <mercurus> it is standard fdisk, is it not ?
[07:01] <khadyoung> mercurus, Then that explains everything. And it sure looks like that's the case
[07:01] <khadyoung> There should be a warning or something... (Then again, maybe there was.)
[07:02] <khadyoung> I didn't have anything on it worth keeping so it's not that big of a deal
[07:02] <khadyoung> I guess I can just reinstall FC3
[07:02] <DigiKill> ubuntu uses grub?   is that what i saw?
[07:02] <khadyoung> DigiKill, Yes
[07:03] <DigiKill> dammit.....i like lilo better...hehe
[07:03] <DigiKill> wonder if ubuntu will install onto a 2nd partition
[07:04] <DigiKill> gonna try for a dualboot i think...
[07:09] <mercurus> DigiKill: Ubuntu will, most happily, install to any partition or partitions you so desire
[07:09] <DigiKill> i hope so....im trying to save my osx install....
[07:11] <DigiKill> wtf....someone made a FightClub Video game
[07:11] <DigiKill> thats hilarious
[07:11] <GotD0t> how can i write a UDF filesystem?
[07:12] <DigiKill> write to a udf system?
[07:12] <GotD0t> no... make an image file of a UDF filesystem
[07:13] <GotD0t> something like mkisofs... but for the UDF filesystem (not ISO9660)
[07:13] <DigiKill> hmm.....
[07:14] <GotD0t> ah... i gotta sleep
[07:14] <DigiKill> UDF Tools
[07:14] <GotD0t> thanks
[07:14] <GotD0t> ill look into that tomorrow
[07:14] <DigiKill> makeudfimage
[07:14] <DigiKill> nite GotD0t ...sleep well
[07:15] <GotD0t> thanks DigiKill
[07:15] <DigiKill> no prob.  Linux google is a good friend ;)
[07:26] <bpd1069> DigiKill : welp after research, it looks like it is possible to install on this Mac'n'Stien... but it would require a bit more effort than I am willing to give...
[07:27] <bpd1069> goes in the closet!
[07:27] <DigiKill> hahaa
[07:27] <DigiKill> i can understand that
[07:27] <bpd1069> not having a CDROM/keyboard/mouse makes it hard
[07:27] <DigiKill> no cd drive eh.....
[07:27] <bpd1069> right
[07:27] <DigiKill> yeah...that'd be difficult
[07:29] <bpd1069> has the old buggy 1.0.5 Openfirmware...
[07:29] <bpd1069> sooooo too much hassle for now
[07:29] <DigiKill> yeah....at 1am it'd be for me too
[07:29] <DigiKill> too much hassle
[07:29] <bpd1069> night
[07:29] <bpd1069> hehe
[07:30] <DigiKill> thats a early morning , bored outta ya mind kinda install
[07:30] <DigiKill> early morning meaning before 3pm ;)
[07:30] <bpd1069> well yes, but i need more machines in this place...  kinda boring not being able to ssh into something
[07:31] <DigiKill> i know what ya mean
[07:31] <bpd1069> haha
[07:31] <DigiKill> hahahaa
[07:32] <bpd1069> oh well... off to bed...  thanks for the help Digi
[07:32] <DigiKill> no prob bpd1069 : have a good nit
[07:36] <neoxed> any one know where i can get some awsome wall paper?
[07:36] <crimsun> themes.org
[07:36] <ctd> google? your local digital camera? :)
[07:36] <ctd> Depends what you like.
[07:36] <crimsun> http://www.themedepot.org/
[07:37] <crimsun> and yeah, it depends
[07:37] <neoxed> i want crazy wired wallpaper
[07:38] <Gmail> ubuntu-art.org
[07:38] <Gmail> gnome-look.org
[07:38] <Gmail> art.gnome.com
[07:40] <amathis> Girls don't seem to like it when you ask them if you can suck their blood as a sign of affection.
[07:41] <zenwhen> ...
[07:41] <amathis> whoops.
[07:41] <Gmail> i vote amathis should be banned if ever says rated R stuff again
[07:41] <amathis> wrong window.
[07:41] <Gmail> sure like we all belive you
[07:41] <amathis> =[
[07:41] <Gmail> amathis: where is the "right" window?
[07:41] <amathis> Gmail: #noodlebot
[07:42] <Treenaks> Gmail: stfu
[07:43] <Gmail> Treenaks: lol
[07:44] <Gmail> OMG
[07:44] <Gmail> look at this gdm bug
[07:45] <HcE> *drums*
[07:45] <billytwowilly> so, has totem/gstreamer ever actually worked for anyone? I decided to fire it up again and see if it was still broken (haven't used it since warty install, now on latest hoary) and it is still broken..
[07:45] <Treenaks> billytwowilly: yes
[07:45] <billytwowilly> I get audio, but no video
[07:46] <Treenaks> billytwowilly: only on ogg/theora movies though
[07:46] <billytwowilly> heh.
[07:46] <billytwowilly> so divx/mp3 just doesn't work?
[07:47] <billytwowilly> so it's not just something screwy with my system then? avi files aren't supposed to play?
[07:47] <zenwhen> get totem-xine and the w32codecs
[07:47] <billytwowilly> that's dirty.
[07:47] <zenwhen> dirty?
[07:48] <billytwowilly> dirty as in hackish.
[07:48] <zenwhen> if it works, why does it matter.
[07:48] <Agrajag> hackish?
[07:48] <zenwhen> ?
[07:48] <Agrajag> and mplayer isn't?
[07:48] <creeperz> Who here hates Gmail because he belongs in #pussy-whiners?
[07:48] <Rene_S> ?
[07:48] <zenwhen> risc is going to change everything
[07:48] <Agrajag> haha
[07:48] <billytwowilly> mplayer is, but mplayer is way faster than xine.
[07:48] <Rene_S> Man this place is degenerating
[07:48] <zenwhen> creeperz, you said it, not me.
[07:48] <Gmail> creeperz: hey i don't have any player installed
[07:48] <Treenaks> Rene_S: the mods are all in one timezon, that's the problem
[07:48] <billytwowilly> so I'll take hackish and fast over slightly less hackish and slower;)
[07:49] <Treenaks> Rene_S: once they wake up gmail will be banned again
[07:49] <Agrajag> but you don't get the nice GNOME gui
[07:49] <Gmail> i don't watch "illegal" movies
[07:49] <creeperz> Gmail: so... uh... why is my favorite channel not allowed on the network?
[07:49] <Gmail> Treenaks: why will i be banned?
[07:49] <creeperz> and why do you need op in it to see your imaginary rulebook?
[07:49] <zenwhen> he came into #ubuntuforums earlier just to say he didnt want t be there
[07:49] <NetSurfAU> G'day, Have just tried three times to install Ubuntu and each time after reboot I keep getting Error 18 when "Grub stage1.5 starts loading.  Ideas
[07:50] <Treenaks> Gmail: yeah.. why ban.. read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct please
[07:50] <Gmail> creeperz: i thought it was a channegl like #nigel anyway offtopic
[07:50] <Treenaks> anyway...
[07:50] <creeperz> Gmail: #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #
[07:50] <creeperz> pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner
[07:50] <creeperz> #pussy-Whiner
[07:50] <creeperz> #pussy-Whiner
[07:50] <amathis> o god
[07:50] <billytwowilly> Gmail, go to #politics. Lots of people looking to fin in there.
[07:50] <Agrajag> hey man
[07:50] <Gmail> OMG
[07:50] <Agrajag> that was just plain uncalled for
[07:50] <amathis> you cannot take creeperz anywhere can you?
[07:50] <amathis> :P
[07:51] <billytwowilly> see, If I was op I could just kick ban them both and be done with it. And I'm in north america.
[07:51] <amathis> billytwowilly: both == ?
[07:51] <billytwowilly> gmail + creeperz
[07:51] <amathis> ah
[07:51] <amathis> ok
[07:52] <billytwowilly> Plus I'm a responsible guy. I'm the VP Finance for my University's opensource advocacy group. LSD
[07:52] <amathis> :P
[07:53] <billytwowilly> see, VP Finance = conservative tight ass, and opensource advocacy = good with people. It's the perfect fit for a moderator.
[07:53] <billytwowilly> check us out. digital-liberation.ca
[07:54] <NetSurfAU> I thought this is where I came for help with issues with Ubu, not listen to off-topic winging
[07:54] <crimsun> NetSurfAU: you're correct on the first part
[07:54] <Gmail> OMG all staffer are away
[07:54] <crimsun> what can we help you with?
[07:54] <billytwowilly> NetSurfAU, You can do both here, the ops are asleep;)
[07:55] <NetSurfAU> Re-post - G'day, Have just tried three times to install Ubuntu and each time after reboot I keep getting Error 18 when "Grub stage1.5 starts loading.  Ideas
[07:55] <billytwowilly> The lights are on, but nobody is home;)
[07:55] <ironwolf> is there a known problem installing themes on hoary?
[07:56] <creeperz> Gmail: we're all starting a club...
[07:56] <creeperz> youre in it
[07:56] <creeperz> but everyone else isnt
[07:56] <billytwowilly> NetSurfAU, hmm. I thought the forum was ubuntuforum.org, but that doesn't appear to be it. I'd check the forum about your error though.
[07:56] <creeperz> its called "Little Baby Girly Whiners"
[07:56] <amathis> wtf
[07:56] <amathis> you got the wrong nick
[07:56] <amathis> and why isn't the channel topiclocked
[07:56] <amathis> ?
[07:56] <Gmail> opps
[07:56] <crimsun> heh
[07:57] <NetSurfAU> my screen says this group is "Topic  	 Ubuntu support channel"
[07:57] <Agent86> Gmail: Nice job.  I think people can handle their own ignoring, no? :-P
[07:57] <billytwowilly> so gmail is an op? I thought everyone was complaining about him.
[07:57] <amathis> serioiusley.. why is topiclock not on?
[07:57] <creeperz> billytwowilly: we are!
[07:57] <Gmail> billytwowilly: no
[07:57] <crimsun> amathis: self-policing
[07:57] <crimsun> amathis: I'm sure the ops will adjust it if necessary
[07:57] <amathis> billytwowilly: topiclock isn't on o.o
[07:57] <billytwowilly> heh.
[07:57] <amathis> crimsun: I was just taking off the part added.. o.0
[07:58] <creeperz> mainly because Gmail is in the club that nobody else is in
[07:58] <NetSurfAU> checked on-line documentation b4 coming in here - no help there for my issue
[07:58] <crimsun> amathis: that's fine
[07:58] <creeperz> (See above)
[07:58] <Gmail> cya all till creeperz gets klined
[07:58] <crimsun> NetSurfAU: SATA HD? ATA? SCSI?
[07:58] <creeperz> Gmail: im gunna suck your blood!
[07:59] <creeperz> through a bendy-straw!
[07:59] <creeperz> then im gunan feast on your entrails!
[07:59] <amathis> oh my.
[07:59] <NetSurfAU> ATA - PC is a PII 300 with 256Mb ram & 13Gb HD.  + PCI NIC
[07:59] <billytwowilly> NetSurfAU, it's in the forum
[07:59] <billytwowilly> NetSurfAU, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6448&highlight=error+18
[07:59] <creeperz> Gmail: I WILL DEVOUR YOU HEART AND CRAP OUT YOUR SOUL!!!!!
[08:00] <creeperz> MUHAHAHAHAHAH!!
[08:00] <creeperz> (Evil laugh)
[08:00] <Gmail> i need logs of this to send to all staffers
[08:01] <Gmail> anyone with a voice in #freenode ? please complain
[08:01] <Gmail> bob2: please complain in #freenode for us
[08:01] <creeperz> Gmail: just think before you start throwing accusations around, dude.
[08:01] <creeperz> k?
[08:01] <creeperz> and i think everyone here hates you anyhow
[08:01] <billytwowilly> so now gmail is complaining about creeperz complaining about gmail? this is all kinda lame..
[08:02] <NetSurfAU> Thanks B-t-W - will come back if anything else pops up that I can't find in the forum you've pointed me to.  CIAO
[08:02] <billytwowilly> NetSurfAU, try the thing in the last post of that forum thread I sent you.
[08:02] <billytwowilly> NetSurfAU, good luck
[08:02] <creeperz> Gmail: i bet yu half the people here that you think like you actually dont :-)
[08:02] <creeperz> which is kidna funny
[08:02] <creeperz> where are all the ops in this channel?
[08:03] <crimsun> creeperz: self-policing. "Ubuntu" philosophy.
[08:03] <Agent86> amathis: ?
[08:03] <amathis> :D
[08:03] <Gmail> OMG
[08:03] <Gmail> that thunder
[08:03] <creeperz> cool
[08:03] <candyman> hi #ubuntu
[08:03] <creeperz> well, im gunna self-police my ass out of here
[08:03] <amathis> Gmail: guess what boy! I have a cookie for you! Go get it! it is in that suspicious looking death tra.... closet
[08:03] <Gmail> candyman: ingore creeperz and welcome
[08:04] <creeperz> before Gmail says i cant live in my house or some shit
[08:04] <Agent86> Gmail: Likey yew the thunder? ^_^
[08:04] <Gmail> creeperz: are you on drugs
[08:04] <amathis> ... he's touching me! ..... 'no he's touching me!
[08:04] <Agent86> Gmail: Usually he is, but not today, actually.
[08:04] <creeperz> Gmail: nope
[08:04] <amathis> Agent86: how true :D
[08:05] <creeperz> quit 4 days ago
[08:05] <Agent86> Hehe
[08:05] <creeperz> Agent86: was it 4 days ago?
[08:05] <creeperz> or 3?
[08:05] <Agent86> creeperz: Three.
[08:05] <creeperz> ah
[08:05] <amathis> Gmail: are you on feminine steroids?
[08:05] <creeperz> yeah
[08:05] <creeperz> 3 days since any drug!
[08:05] <creeperz> (excluding caffeine)
[08:05] <Agent86> o.o
[08:05] <creeperz> lol!
[08:05] <billytwowilly> creeperz, what kind of drugs did you take?
[08:05] <creeperz> LMAO!
[08:06] <creeperz> Amaranth: NO MORE R-Rated stuff!!
[08:06] <Amaranth> creeperz: ??
[08:06] <creeperz> billytwowilly: all the good ones that i'm not supposed :-)
[08:06] <Agent86> creeperz: Err, you mean amathis?
[08:06] <creeperz> yeah
[08:06] <amathis> heh
[08:06] <creeperz> amathis: :-)
[08:06] <Agent86> :-)
[08:06] <amathis> don't smile at me.
[08:06] <Gmail> BYE
[08:06] <ctd> Okay, calm down kids.
[08:06] <billytwowilly> creeperz, just stay away from ecstacy. That stuff is a seretonin receptor neuro toxin
[08:06] <amathis> you know how that makes me feel inside :P
[08:06] <Gmail> thats it this channel full of lamers
[08:07] <amathis> Gmail: then leave?
[08:07] <creeperz> billytwowilly: /me doesnt do ex
[08:07] <creeperz> that crap is bad
[08:07] <creeperz> and so is meth
[08:07] <amathis> heh
[08:07] <ctd> Gmail: Sorry if we're not cool enough for you.
[08:07] <creeperz> just stuff that should be legal but isnt
[08:07] <billytwowilly> meth isn't really that bad.
[08:07] <billytwowilly> it's just a really cheap to produce amphetamine
[08:07] <Amaranth> This place is _not_ self policing.
[08:07] <creeperz> Gmail: my DEEPEST apolagies
[08:07] <amathis> Gmail: dude, quit.
[08:07] <creeperz> lol
[08:08] <billytwowilly> Could you guys please stop screwing with the channel topic?
[08:08] <billytwowilly> I'm trying to talk about drugs here;)
[08:08] <amathis> billytwowilly: I am just restoring it.
[08:08] <creeperz> :-)
[08:08] <Gmail> CYA
[08:08] <Amaranth> billytwowilly: Cut it out.
[08:08] <amathis> billytwowilly: heh, creeperz is a lightweight when it comes to drugs
[08:08] <creeperz> amathis: screw you :-)
[08:08] <amathis> compared to (blank )
[08:08] <amathis> :D
[08:08] <Amaranth> off-topic
[08:08] <ctd> Thank the lord, he's gone.
[08:09] <creeperz> just cuz i cant choke down 2 bacardis doesnt mean i cant take shots of vodka all night :-)
[08:09] <amathis> how do you add windows to grub off a slave HD?
[08:09] <creeperz> wow
[08:09] <creeperz> there's some interesting people in this channel
[08:09] <Amaranth> amathis: no clue but the grub config should give a nice example
[08:09] <creeperz> ctd: good to meet you :-)
[08:09] <amathis> Amaranth: I added it exactly like example said
[08:09] <amathis> but it didn't do it
[08:09] <amathis> :/
[08:09] <creeperz> billytwowilly: good to meet you too :-)
[08:10] <calc> amathis: did you set hd to 1,0 (or whatever drive/partition it is seen as?)
[08:10] <ctd> creeperz: Have a nice life. :)
[08:10] <Amaranth> Amaranth: hd0 in grub is like /dev/hda in linux
[08:10] <Amaranth> so if you have it pointing to hd0 it won't work
[08:10] <amathis> hmm
[08:10] <Amaranth> hd1 is like /dev/hdb, etc
[08:10] <creeperz> when Gmail comes back... tell him I'm in the closet
[08:10] <creeperz> like
[08:10] <creeperz> HIS closet
[08:10] <creeperz> not *the* closet :-)
[08:10] <amathis> Amaranth: hrm.. ok
[08:10] <billytwowilly> creeperz, yes, It is nice to meet you also. If you want to know more about drugs message me;) I'm taking a pharmacology course on them right now;)
[08:11] <Amaranth> creeperz: You should come out already, no one will make fun of you. ;)
[08:11] <neoxed> any one got x-java-vm?
[08:11] <amathis> .msg billytwowilly HOOK ME UP
[08:11] <amathis> j/k
[08:11] <Amaranth> neoxed: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:11] <creeperz> lol
[08:11] <billytwowilly> heh, I don't do drugs, I just find them intrigueing.
[08:11] <amathis> billytwowilly: I did too... right as they entered my arm.
[08:11] <amathis> :P
[08:11] <ctd> Panadol does wonders to fix my gmail "issue".
[08:12] <zenwhen> can ANYONE change the topic?
[08:12] <zenwhen> Wow, just wow.
[08:12] <creeperz> billytwowilly: never snort half a pill of oxycodone :-)
[08:12] <creeperz> thats all i can tell yu ;-)
[08:12] <Amaranth> He was so wow'ed his connection gave out. :D
[08:12] <amathis> hmm.. Amaranth what file controls grub?
[08:12] <|QuaD|> does anyone here know about apache's ssi's?
[08:12] <ctd> |QuaD|: Apache's docs do. ;)
[08:12] <billytwowilly> creeperz, that a designer drug that acts like morphine?
[08:13] <creeperz> somewhat
[08:13] <creeperz> not as addictive
[08:13] <|QuaD|> ctd: isn't answering my question
[08:13] <Se7h> oh man
[08:13] <creeperz> and your legs will feel like jell-o :-)
[08:13] <Se7h> jackass2 rules
[08:13] <Se7h> LOL
[08:13] <amathis> ugh
[08:13] <amathis> what file controls grub loaders?
[08:13] <Amaranth> amathis: I'm looking
[08:13] <amathis> I have always been used to lilo
[08:14] <Agrajag> isn't it /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[08:14] <amathis>  ah
[08:14] <amathis> ok
[08:14] <DigiKill> same here...lilo all the way :S
[08:14] <Amaranth> Agrajag: yep, thats it
[08:14] <amathis> title		Windows XP Professional
[08:14] <amathis> root		(hd1,0)
[08:14] <amathis> rootnoverify (hd1,0)
[08:14] <amathis> chainloader	+1
[08:14] <amathis> makeactive
[08:14] <amathis> how should this look?
[08:14] <ctd> |QuaD|: Then ask your question. :)
[08:15] <|QuaD|> ctd: is there a way to use a ssi without starting <!--
[08:16] <neoxed> still cant find the install for x-jav
[08:17] <neoxed> x-java.
[08:17] <creeperz> if any of you cool people want to get ahold of me, I'll be in #Noodlebot ... The channel that your "fearless leader" doesn't think should be on the network :-D
[08:17] <creeperz> peace
[08:17] <billytwowilly> anyone know how to bring back the crossover office additions to the menu that got wiped out when hoary did that whole menu change?
[08:18] <Synek> morning
[08:18] <ctd> |QuaD|: Have you looked at http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/howto/ssi.html ?
[08:19] <Gmail> is the lamers still here
[08:19] <ctd> Gmail: Dude.
[08:19] <ctd> Gmail: Flaming people isn't going to help you in life.
[08:21] <|QuaD|> ctd: yeah
[08:21] <Amaranth> Gmail: Drop it.
[08:22] <|QuaD|> ctd: it didn't say we COULD or couldn't
[08:22] <neoxed> QuaD where can i get x-java-vm.?
[08:22] <Gmail> |QuaD|: your a lot more than creeperz and amathis and billytwowilly
[08:22] <amathis> o.0
[08:23] <Gmail> oh wait is amathis ment to be on that list?
[08:23] <Amaranth> neoxed: You need to install Java, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:23] <|QuaD|> neoxed: there is a faq on the website
[08:23] <|QuaD|> Gmail: be nice
[08:23] <Gmail> to you
[08:23] <|QuaD|> to everyone
[08:23] <Gmail> no amathis is ment to be on that list
[08:24] <amathis> Gmail: consult a dictionary... it is all the new rage... *meant
[08:24] <ctd> |QuaD|: So you want to do SSI's without the <!-- --> thing?
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> IW
[08:24] <|QuaD|> yeah.... more of just curious if you can
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> daniels?
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> peeps trollin in here?
[08:24] <Amaranth> daniels is away
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> goodnight all
[08:25] <amathis> Good night.
[08:25] <Amaranth> he has been idle 8 hours :P
[08:25] <Amaranth> night RuffianSoldier
[08:25] <ctd> RuffianSoldier: Were you the one last night asking about X?
[08:26] <ctd> |QuaD|: Can't say I've seen it done before
[08:26] <|QuaD|> ctd: s'ok
[08:27] <ironwolf> Ok, Theme's are borked in Hoary... No eta yet.
[08:28] <gecko[au] > gday
[08:28] <ironwolf> gday gecko
[08:28] <gecko[au] > need some help with java setup
[08:28] <|QuaD|> gecko[au] : did you read the wiki?
[08:28] <gecko[au] > been told java-package should be used
[08:29] <gecko[au] > checking
[08:29] <RuffianSoldier> i want Sun JDS
[08:29] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[08:30] <neoxed> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:30] <neoxed> any one know how to fix dpkg?
[08:30] <crimsun> neoxed: it's not dpkg's fault; it's the package's
[08:30] <crimsun> neoxed: what's the error above that?
[08:31] <neoxed> muddleftpd error in file ftpwho.c line 602: No parent pid in inetd mode.
[08:31] <neoxed> CANNOT RESUME. Goodbye
[08:31] <neoxed> invoke-rc.d: initscript muddleftpd, action "start" failed.
[08:31] <neoxed> dpkg: error processing muddleftpd (--configure):
[08:31] <neoxed> Starting FTP server: muddleftpd error in file proxy.c line 329: Cannot bind to port 21, ip 0.0.0.0, skipping!
[08:32] <crimsun> neoxed: is something else listening on tcp/21?
[08:32] <neoxed> i dunno
[08:32] <crimsun> neoxed: netstat -ntpl|grep 21
[08:33] <neoxed> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:21              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     3112/inetd
[08:33] <neoxed> 112/inetd
[08:33] <crimsun> neoxed: inetd is already listening on 21, which implies you probably have another ftp daemon configured to use inetd
[08:34] <neoxed> how can i stop it
[08:34] <crimsun> neoxed: try `sudo invoke-rc.d inetd stop'
[08:34] <neoxed> woot worked
[08:34] <neoxed> thank
[08:34] <neoxed> thanks
[08:35] <Gmail> ohh
[08:35] <Gmail> new menu thing is soo cool
[08:36] <Gmail> applications
[08:36] <Gmail> places and system
[08:38] <zenwhen> Now I am REALLY tempted to upgrade to hoary.
[08:38] <Gmail> why don't you
[08:39] <zenwhen> Because my system has to be stable.
[08:39] <ironwolf> zenwhen: define stable.
[08:39] <gecko[au] > anyone got notes 6.5.2 working on ubuntu
[08:39] <zenwhen> I dont have time to piss around with reinstalling.
[08:39] <Gmail> hoary hasn't crashed on me ever
[08:39] <zenwhen> Gmail, it has for many people.
[08:40] <Gmail> zenwhen: i have never reinstalled
[08:40] <zenwhen> I am setting up another machine soon to do testing with soon.
[08:40] <Gmail> i was using from the second the merge was finished
[08:40] <zenwhen> Nice
[08:40] <ironwolf> zenwhen: best off with warty.  Hoary crashes aren't pleasant.
[08:40] <zenwhen> But still, many have had issues.
[08:40] <Gmail> zenwhen: the only problem you'll have is dependces
[08:40] <zenwhen> I cannot deal with them on my main system.
[08:41] <Gmail> hoary had a huge isue a few days ago
[08:41] <gecko[au] > one more question... thanks for the help on the java one
[08:41] <Gmail> zenwhen: wait till gnome 2.9.3 gets into hoary the day after itsrelested
[08:41] <gecko[au] > what is ubuntu live?
[08:42] <Gmail> then hoary will be a huge upgrade
[08:42] <ironwolf> gecko[au] : it's a cd that you can pop in and run off the CD, without installing.  Think of it as a test drive.
[08:42] <Gmail> gecko[au] : a os that boot off your cd drive
[08:42] <zenwhen> Im going to use hoary when there is a preview ISO.
[08:42] <gecko[au] > Gmail: how useful
[08:42] <Gmail> gecko[au] : it doesn't touch your harddrive
[08:43] <gecko[au] > Gmail: are you serious?
[08:43] <Gmail> gecko[au] : good to see if there are the driver needed for your hardware
[08:43] <Gmail> gecko[au] : yes
[08:43] <Gmail> this is linux
[08:43] <gecko[au] > Gmail: wow thanks!
[08:43] <Gmail> bot winbloze
[08:44] <Gmail> gnome 3 is going to kill a big part of windoze share market and so is kde 4 for those people who like it
[08:44] <gecko[au] > Ubuntu is great but their are a lot of desktop holes... still needs work to make it good for dummies
[08:45] <Synek> true
[08:45] <gecko[au] > its still a lot more stable than winblowz
[08:45] <Ubuntu-Linux> ooops
[08:45] <Synek> But it needs an extra skill to instal and "dget to work"
[08:46] <gecko[au] > yep - its a lot closer to the mark than most
[08:46] <gecko[au] > I so want a SOE linux desktop it almost hurts
[08:47] <declan> hello all
[08:47] <Gmail> gecko[au] :  true linux user don't know what a crash is
[08:47] <declan> i was wondering if anyone could help me with a little mounting problem I am having I would greatly appreciate it
[08:47] <gecko[au] > gday declan, now where do I know that name from
[08:47] <Gmail> thats how stable it is
[08:47] <declan> a movie maybe, the jackal, lol
[08:48] <gecko[au] > ahh yes
[08:48] <declan> also my name haha
[08:48] <declan> gecko would you be willing to help me out if ya could
[08:48] <gecko[au] > Gmail: yes but true linux user dont see the need for seemless desktop... where as IT companies require it.
[08:49] <gecko[au] > yeah sure
[08:49] <Gmail> you guys should now the tab key auto complates a nick in most irc clients
[08:49] <Gmail> gecko[au] : yes they do
[08:50] <declan> I am mounting an NTFS drive in linux, edited /etc/fstab created a windows folder in /media to mount it to, but its only allowing root to access it, i have it to be able to be user mounted, but it only allows root to access it, wondering how to allow user to access it
[08:50] <Gmail> linus officaly uses x
[08:50] <gecko[au] > declan: you need to use the "user" option in fstab on the line that refers to the mount point
[08:51] <declan> yes i have that
[08:51] <declan> hold on lemme get you ms fstab line
[08:51] <gecko[au] > ok then are the perms correct on the directory/
[08:51] <gecko[au] > ?
[08:52] <gecko[au] > declan: on the mount directory? (hmm not sure if it affects mounts)
[08:53] <declan> /dev/hda1   /media/windows   ntfs    ro,user, auto         0          0
[08:53] <declan> on the mount directory chmod to myself
[08:53] <declan> well not myself, but to allow all, to r,w,x
[08:53] <gecko[au] > ok so perms are 777
[08:53] <Agrajag> here's mine
[08:53] <declan> yes
[08:54] <Agrajag> /dev/hdb4               /mnt/nt         ntfs            users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec       0 0
[08:54] <Agrajag> try that
[08:54] <Agrajag> or... you know, something like it
[08:55] <neoxed> any one know any proragms that will read large tex docs for you?
[08:56] <ironwolf> neoxed: I like vi, others like emacs.
[08:56] <neoxed> vi easy to use?
[08:56] <declan> Agrajag, Thanks, that worked, im really not sure why, could you explain, the difference with users, as opposed to user, and whats the umask, and nls....if you could thanks
[08:57] <ironwolf> neoxed: it's not the most user friendly piece of software on the market, but it's easy to work with if you find a quick reference.
[08:57] <neoxed> i c
[08:58] <Gmail> why doesn't the gnome team take the distro patches that make gnome more user friendly?
[08:58] <gecko[au] > declan: users will work, user may not
[08:58] <declan> thanks a lot guys...
[08:58] <neoxed> i got alot fo c++ ebooks and well i need glass;s cuz if i sit and read for more then 10 mins my eyes burn so bad
[08:58] <Agrajag> well, umask isn't really needed, it just forces everything to appear to be r-xr-xr-x
[08:59] <Agrajag> nls=utf8 sets language for the filenames to utf8, I need it or some of my mp3s have broken filenames
[08:59] <gecko[au] > declan: its a bit like the difference between kill -1 PID and kill - 1 PID
[08:59] <Agrajag> and users makes it so any user can mount/umount
[08:59] <declan> wanna help me with one more thing....im new to the way debian gets packages, im using ubuntu, i want to install xmms, how would i go about doing it seeing as im not sure if i can use rpm(im coming from using mandrake)
[08:59] <neoxed> is it called emacspeak?
[09:00] <Agrajag> declan: sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:00] <gecko[au] > beat me
[09:00] <KonvIRC> ubuntu is based on debian so any debian packages will work right?
[09:00] <gecko[au] > mostly yes
[09:00] <Agrajag> not necessarily
[09:00] <declan> im guessing that would be the same for most things, and if debian doesn't have a package i would need to build from source correct?
[09:00] <gecko[au] > the cup is half full?
[09:00] <KonvIRC> im just gonna try it out and iso is only 500mb so im assuming its missing a lot
[09:01] <Agrajag> yes
[09:01] <KonvIRC> so im just thinking of where i can get everything
[09:01] <KonvIRC> w/o having to compile
[09:02] <gecko[au] > discussing the ubuntu "experience"...
[09:02] <declan> Anyone know of any C++ or Java Developement editors, that will color code and do indents, that aren't emacs or Vi
[09:03] <Gmail> vim
[09:03] <Gmail> declan: there are like another 1000 of them
[09:04] <declan> lol ok
[09:04] <gecko[au] > discussing the ubuntu "experience"... starting with the web experience, firefox is a great browser but all the attachments are missing. Quicktime, Flash, Java and robust multimedia players need to be working from first install
[09:05] <declan> i agree
[09:05] <neoxed> any one know how to use emacspeak
[09:05] <neoxed> and if it reads tex?
[09:05] <declan> i think that an MP3 plugin should be included on first install as well, or is that a legal issue
[09:06] <gecko[au] > mutimedia player should cover that
[09:07] <Agrajag> it shouldn't be a legal issue, I thought the mp3 license says you can distribute a decoder for free if you don't charge for the software
[09:07] <gecko[au] > on the software side, if you want install on demand, it must be seemless... yes/no simplicity
[09:07] <declan> i tried music player but it said no plugin avail to play MP3
[09:08] <gecko[au] > Synaptic is nice but useless for the average windows user
[09:08] <Agrajag> you mean rhythmbox
[09:08] <declan> yea rhythmbox
[09:08] <calc> Agrajag: well it just says "Music Player" on the menu ;)
[09:09] <Agrajag> yeah that annoys me
[09:09] <gecko[au] > in fact the whole package management system should be totally transparent. They want something, they search and click go...
[09:09] <gecko[au] > anyway - thats enough heresy from me
[09:10] <declan> Do any of you develope for a career or for open source?
[09:11] <gecko[au] > I wish, I dont have the discipline
[09:11] <declan> gotcha
[09:11] <calc> i'm just a package monkey right now
[09:12] <declan> gecko whats the profession, just curious
[09:12] <calc> written a few minor things like kernel drivers, menu-xdg, etc
[09:13] <Gmail> calc: i got something you will love to package
[09:13] <calc> if it doesn't suck like kde i might ;)
[09:13] <kleedrac> I've got a couple questions for the ubuntu gurus here ... 1) How do I get .wma support for xmms?  2) Why does mplayer crash after beginning to parse the .conf file?
[09:13] <Gmail> calc: its nothing in that sence
[09:14] <declan> xmms would have a plugin not sure if it supports wma, i know for a fact xine does
[09:14] <KonvIRC> i used to program for OSS full time paid
[09:14] <calc> Gmail: wow is that like a cpanel replacement?
[09:14] <KonvIRC> for about 1.5 years
[09:14] <kleedrac> I can find xmms-wma.rpm can't find the .deb though ... can ubuntu use rpms?
[09:14] <KonvIRC> company spent all their money and laid everyone off
[09:15] <KonvIRC> wouldnt the best way to get stuff be apt-get ?
[09:15] <Gmail> calc: yes
[09:15] <ctd-goslar> kleedrac: No.
[09:15] <declan> not sure if it can use rpm, probably not, someone else comment there, you can always build from source
[09:15] <calc> Gmail: thats pretty nice :)
[09:15] <Gmail> calc: yes in #vhcs
[09:15] <KonvIRC> http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[09:15] <KonvIRC> theres a thing on getting mplayer in ubuntu
[09:16] <KonvIRC> via google
[09:16] <ctd-goslar> KonvIRC: To get mplayer, you just install it from multiverse.
[09:16] <kleedrac> I got mplayer installed but it crashes with Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[09:16] <kleedrac> Illegal instruction
[09:18] <neoxed> any one know a good program this will read out loud large tex files?
[09:19] <snipes> Hi
[09:20] <crimsun> 'lo
[09:20] <snipes> My computer is doing something strange. Gkrellm says there is disk activity. How can I find out what it is doing?
[09:21] <crimsun> top(1) is also useful for that, snipes
[09:22] <snipes> yea top doesnt tell me anything useful in this instance.
[09:23] <snipes> not that I can notice anyway
[09:26] <snipes> does linux automaticly do any defrag type thing that could cause disk activity? It is reading about 4 MB/s and writing about 2MB/s.
[09:27] <Synek> snipes: disk acitivity? it can be updatedb or sth
[09:27] <Synek> logrotate?
[09:28] <snipes> hmmm, possibly but its been going on about 20 minutes now
[09:28] <Synek> hm
[09:28] <Synek> no idea
[09:29] <crimsun> snipes: what sort of programs are running?
[09:29] <crimsun> and what file systems are you using?
[09:30] <gecko[au] > is their a one line command to install a locally created package which has a dependancy on multiverse package.. can apt-get do all this?
[09:30] <snipes> apache, mysqld, azureus, vncserver, quite a few programs but for the last few days it hasnt been this much activity
[09:30] <crimsun> I venture it's probably the java vm reading from disk for azureus
[09:31] <crimsun> particularly if any of your torrents are moving quickly
[09:31] <crimsun> reading/writing from/to disk
[09:31] <Celery> um
[09:31] <Celery> small problem
[09:31] <Celerex> i was never asked to set a root password..
[09:31] <crimsun> gecko[au] : unfortunately, no
[09:31] <Celerex> ah, sudo :)
[09:31] <crimsun> Celerex: use sudo with your user's password. This is explained in the FAQ.
[09:32] <Celerex> just found it :)
[09:32] <miausX> hi! :)
[09:32] <crimsun> gecko[au] : you can apt-get install the dependency, then dpkg -i the local package
[09:32] <crimsun> hi miausX
[09:33] <miausX> excuse me, I have added a few lines to the SettingUpSamba howto, can anybody read it to see if it's correct? I don't speak english very well :)
[09:33] <miausX> hi crimsun :)
[09:33] <crimsun> sure, miausX. Use a paste web site if necessary.
[09:33] <snipes> would excessive swapping cause visible diskactivity? its on an XBox with 64MB RAM.
[09:33] <crimsun> snipes: certainly
[09:33] <Celerex> i've got a problem with apt, it complains that it can't open the locals 'en'. is there something else is hould use?
[09:34] <crimsun> Celerex: try exporting LANG=C and LC_ALL=C
[09:34] <snipes> thanks a lot everybody
[09:34] <miausX> crimsun, oh, it's in the Ubuntu web site --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[09:34] <maswan> Does bugfixes like this go into warty? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=256185
[09:34] <miausX> you can see my changes with the "history" tab :)
[09:36] <miausX> I have changed that section because the old settings are not secure, now it works fine (at last on my server)
[09:36] <Celerex> so default of C is a sufficent language locale?
[09:37] <crimsun> maswan: that NMU is dated [Sat,  3 Jul 2004 09:34:31 +0200] , long before the release of Warty
[09:37] <crimsun> maswan: what version of python2.3-zsi is in Warty?
[09:38] <miausX> crimsun, Version: 1.5.0-2
[09:39] <crimsun> miausX: not sure. It seems like a minor bugfix. Ask doko himself. :) It'll definitely be in Hoary; you can check yourself via 'universe' in apt-cache policy.
[09:39] <crimsun> err
[09:40] <crimsun> maswan: ^
[09:40] <miausX> ;)
[09:40] <crimsun> (thanks though, miausX)
[09:40] <crimsun> miausX: looks fine to me
[09:40] <Celerex> i'm trying to do an apt-get install locales lsb ubuntu-desktop and all it does it complain about locales. I've reset LANG and LANGUAGE to C but it complains:
[09:40] <miausX> thanks crimsun :)
[09:40] <Celerex> en.ISO-8859-1... cannot open locale definition file 'en': No such file or directory
[09:40] <miausX> en_EN.ISO-8859-1
[09:40] <miausX> or en_US
[09:41] <Celerex> the error is exactly like i see it
[09:41] <crimsun> hum.
[09:41] <crimsun> locales should already be installed
[09:41] <Celerex> that's what's failing
[09:41] <crimsun> why are you attempting to (re)install it?
[09:42] <miausX> Ohmer, I have to study a bit, see you later :)
[09:42] <Celerex> the intial install complained that it failed
[09:42] <Celerex> and no every tim ei do an apt-get it complains it can't install those packages
[09:42] <crimsun> ah, I see
[09:42] <Celerex> that was "and now every time i do.."
[09:42] <declan> night folks
[09:44] <crimsun> Celerex: I don't even see "en_EN*" as a choice
[09:45] <Celerex> yeah well i don't know where it's set
[09:45] <crimsun> Celerex: I think you mean en_US or en_US.UTF-8
[09:45] <Celerex> if i could change it i would
[09:45] <crimsun> /etc/locale.gen
[09:46] <crimsun> you would put:
[09:46] <crimsun> en_US ISO-8859-1
[09:46] <crimsun> like that.
[09:46] <crimsun> :q!
[09:46] <crimsun> err, woops ;-)
[09:46] <Celerex> bah
[09:46] <Celerex> finally
[09:46] <Celerex> what's the entry in your locales.gen?
[09:46] <Celerex> it was en ###...
[09:47] <Celerex> it doesn't like en_US.###...
[09:47] <Celerex> (it just says bad entry)
[09:47] <crimsun> I have the line I just pasted + "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8"
[09:47] <Celerex> k
[09:55] <maswan> crimsun: thanks
[09:55] <crimsun> np
[09:57] <Alex1> hi
[09:57] <Alex1> someone can help me?
[09:59] <Emanuelez> hello *
[09:59] <spiritz> hi
[09:59] <Emanuelez> backing my debian up to switch to ubuntu :)
[09:59] <|QuaD|> Emanuelez: i like to hear that
[10:00] <Emanuelez> what's a safe way to backup emails (evolution)? should i just burn the Mail dir and copy it back once ubuntu is installed?
[10:00] <|QuaD|> Emanuelez: that would probably work
[10:00] <Celerex> omg
[10:01] <Celerex> ubuntu provides FireFox 0.9.3??
[10:01] <Alex1> i`ve a problem with acpi_power_off called, i edit the file as guide said but my pc does not turn off
[10:01] <Emanuelez> |QuaD|: probably? LOL
[10:01] <Alex1> someone can help me?
[10:01] <alessio_> i'ahve the same problem
[10:02] <|QuaD|> Emanuelez: i normally just back up my /etc and /home directories
[10:02] <Emanuelez> |QuaD|: that's what i'm doing :)
[10:03] <|QuaD|> Emanuelez: :)
[10:03] <Emanuelez> is ubuntulinux.org working for u? it seems like freezing to me..
[10:03] <|QuaD|> Emanuelez: yup
[10:04] <Alex1> noone can help me?
[10:04] <Emanuelez> mmm... i guess my isp is having problems then :-S
[10:04] <Emanuelez> Alex1: is acpi turned on in your bios?
[10:04] <Alex1> yes it is
[10:05] <Emanuelez> Alex1: and u have a standard kernel with acpi enabled?
[10:05] <Alex1> yes
[10:05] <Alex1> apcid is also active
[10:05] <calc> i've seen the no turn off issue on several pcs
[10:05] <calc> i think 2.6.8.1 was bugged
[10:06] <Celerex> anyway i can sim an intall?
[10:06] <Celerex> ie, tell apt that a package is installed without it being installed?
[10:06] <calc> equivs will do that
[10:07] <housetier> Celerex look at equivs
[10:07] <calc> its probably in universe
[10:08] <Celerex> bah i'm blocked now.. stupid dependancies
[10:09] <Celerex> i'm trying to install this package and it's complaining that a file is provided by another package. can i tell apt to just overwrite orskip?
[10:09] <Emanuelez> is there an ubuntu channel for amd64 users?
[10:10] <calc> Emanuelez: i think its here as well
[10:10] <calc> i have two ubuntu amd64 boxes here
[10:11] <Emanuelez> calc: cool... what issues will i have to face? :)
[10:14] <calc> hoary seems to work fine for me
[10:14] <calc> a few of the applets crash every once in a while
[10:16] <seb128> calc, any backtrace of the crash ?
[10:17] <calc> seb128: i'll try to grab one the next time it happens
[10:17] <seb128> calc, I made -dbg packages for panel/applets/gnomevfs ... just install them :)
[10:17] <calc> the applet that seems to crash most often is the weather one
[10:17] <seb128> ok
[10:17] <seb128> please install gnome-applets-dbg
[10:17] <calc> ok
[10:17] <seb128> so you get a decent bt
[10:17] <seb128> thanks
[10:18] <calc> none of them crash very often probably less than once a day
[10:21] <hazza96> is hoary the next release after warty?
[10:22] <seb128> yes
[10:23] <hazza96> what stage is it at? beta?
[10:24] <Celerex> wow
[10:24] <Celerex> just a FEW packages to upgrade from the ubuntu tree to unstable debian tree
[10:26] <Emanuelez> mmm... i guess i will be installing the 32 bit version... or my ati radeon 9600 will never be accelerated
[10:27] <hazza96> is it possible to install Warty and do a update to get it to hoary?
[10:27] <seb128> yes
[10:27] <Celerex> Emanuelez don't forget the fglrx drivers ;)
[10:27] <hazza96> cool cause I just downloaded warty and don't want to download the whole thing again
[10:28] <Emanuelez> Celerex: what r those?
[10:28] <Celerex> those are the ATI drivers
[10:28] <Celerex> specically done for the Radeon cards. HUGE difference over the generic ATI driver or radeon driver included with xfree
[10:28] <hazza96> thanks seb128
[10:29] <Emanuelez> Celerex: for 64 bit kernels too?
[10:29] <seb128> np
[10:29] <Celerex> well you can build them yourself if you so desire. i dn't have any 64 machines and i've never heard either way whether they work or not
[10:30] <Emanuelez> Celerex: aren't those the official ati drivers for linux?
[10:33] <daniels> fglrx on amd64 does not work, full stop
[10:35] <fabbione> tsk :-)
[10:35] <daniels> thanks, forgot about that one
[10:36] <Emanuelez> daniels: thx :)
[10:36] <trukulo> daniels, have you seen jane there? i have to talk with her
[10:37] <daniels> trukulo: she's away, sorry; is there anything I can help with?
[10:37] <trukulo> yes, two things i have to inform
[10:37] <trukulo> in private, please
[10:38] <daniels> sure
[10:44] <Alessio> where cani i find php5?
[10:44] <Alessio> where can i find php5?
[10:44] <Alessio> only form source?
[10:44] <Alessio> only from source?
[10:44] <Alessio> is there any .deb?
[10:44] <ctd> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3657.html
[10:45] <Alessio> tx
[10:45] <Alessio> then only form source!
[10:45] <Alessio> *from
[10:46] <Emanuelez> any gaim-vv user here?
[10:46] <Emanuelez> i need webcam support for yahoo messenger and gaim-vv was the only one i could make work on debian
[10:47] <Alessio> ctd, i have installed mysql and apache from apt
[10:47] <Alessio> can i install only php5 from.. source?
[11:06] <jiyuu0> any suggested good newsreader program?
[11:06] <linux_mafia> pan
[11:06] <jiyuu0> can evolution do it?
[11:06] <jiyuu0> how bout thunderbird?
[11:06] <linux_mafia> jiyuu0, maybe
[11:07] <linux_mafia> jiyuu0, evo that is, not sure on tbird
[11:07] <iMeXdiAC> i use thunderbird :) ..
[11:07] <iMeXdiAC> works nice ..
[11:07] <jiyuu0> so no need to recommend extra program for newsreader
[11:07] <jiyuu0> thanks :)
[11:07] <iMeXdiAC> np
[11:08] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, anything in particular you like about tbird over evo?
[11:08] <iMeXdiAC> hmm ..
[11:08] <Keybuk> Burgundavia_: gleetings
[11:09] <iMeXdiAC> i like tbird a bit more .. in the 1.0 release vers .. as now its a prerelease thats in the standard warty repository
[11:10] <iMeXdiAC> its the layout i like in tbird
[11:11] <iMeXdiAC> and the possibility to write an extension or add one if i ever feel to have the need to
[11:11] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, ok, i might have to try it, only using evo, just cause i always have, no other reason really, although its a damn good app
[11:12] <iMeXdiAC> they both are for sure ..
[11:12] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, you using hoary?
[11:12] <iMeXdiAC> nah wardog ..
[11:13] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, ok, just gonna comment on the new menu setup, seems kinda weird to me, guess i'll get used to it
[11:13] <iMeXdiAC> dont know the upgrade procedure .. i came from debian .. havent read the docs yet
[11:13] <linux_mafia> wondered if others thought so too
[11:14] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, came from debian? dist-upgraded to warty, or switched?
[11:15] <iMeXdiAC> i switched ..
[11:15] <linux_mafia> oh\
[11:15] <iMeXdiAC> as i had some trouble ..
[11:15] <iMeXdiAC> tried gentoo ..
[11:15] <iMeXdiAC> had problems to get the kernel running compiling correctly
[11:15] <linux_mafia> well upgrade procedure is same as stable -> testing -> sid, if youve done that before
[11:16] <iMeXdiAC> as some pam dependency wasnt included and i couldnt login
[11:16] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, in gentoo?
[11:16] <iMeXdiAC> yup ..
[11:17] <iMeXdiAC> im on a ppc proc .. :)
[11:17] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, i must admit gentoo intrigues me, but all that compilation, im just not masochistic enough
[11:17] <linux_mafia> plus im impatient
[11:18] <iMeXdiAC> hmm .. i thought why not try it as it was on second hardware i didnt need at that time
[11:18] <iMeXdiAC> and wanted to get used to another distri
[11:19] <iMeXdiAC> and my proc has only 466mhz
[11:19] <Keybuk> Daniel is *evil*
[11:19] <bluewheel> linux_mafia, I tried gentoo once, after 2 hours of getting basicly nothing done I instlled sarge in 30 mins and had a working X system, much quicker than the days of noting but gcc screens
[11:20] <Keybuk> tempting people over with the promise of chocolate, and giving them that stuff
[11:20] <iMeXdiAC> blueweel :) well i had it nearly running ..
[11:20] <linux_mafia> bluewheel, yeah thats kinda how i see it, plus from what ive read, although im not an os programmer, the speed gains from optimisation are negligable
[11:21] <bluewheel> linux_mafia, speed gains are almost nothing on ppc i think. Since gcc for the g4's is not too stable above 02 anyway
[11:21] <iMeXdiAC> hmm well im on a g3 ..
[11:21] <bluewheel> g3 is pretty much base ppc which is what most .debs would be anyway
[11:21] <bluewheel> no point as far as i can see it
[11:22] <iMeXdiAC> well my point was to take a peek at gentoo ..
[11:22] <iMeXdiAC> as im a comp science stud
[11:22] <bluewheel> but then i could be wrong and it could be the greatest thing in the world but then do i need an optimised version of ls ?
[11:23] <iMeXdiAC> ;)
[11:23] <linux_mafia> bluewheel, yeah and although many packages on debian/ubuntu are made for the lowest common denominator, the devs do use flags etc that give improvements when making packages
[11:23] <bluewheel> yea i am a comp sci student too, but i'd rather do something with my computer than watch it compile stuff :-)
[11:23] <bluewheel> kinda like watching static on TV as far as i am concerned :-)
[11:23] <iMeXdiAC> hmm .. well .. it wasnt my main machine then ..
[11:24] <iMeXdiAC> so i wouldnt watch gcc compile the whole day
[11:24] <bluewheel> oh yea it would be fun to do once, just to say you did :-)
[11:25] <bluewheel> it's kinda like doing rm -rf / as root, ever comp sci person should do it once, more than that if they want but once is enough :-)
[11:25] <linux_mafia> bluewheel, plus i read about one of the ubuntu devs showing the gentoo devs about how to compile something "specially", that they didnt even know about, heh
[11:25] <Agrajag> learning gentoo to help you in CS is like watching Cops to make you a better police officer
[11:25] <jiyuu0> linux_mafia, just found nice feature in evo "threaded message list"
[11:25] <iMeXdiAC> anyway i got the ubuntu image and made a fresh install .. was around a week ago
[11:25] <jiyuu0> that's something thunderbird doesn't have
[11:25] <Agrajag> gentoo doesn't teach you anything other than how to run emerge
[11:26] <linux_mafia> jiyuu0, yep i use that, good aye, perfect for my mailing lists
[11:26] <jiyuu0> yub
[11:26] <jiyuu0> now i found a reason to use mailing list
[11:26] <jiyuu0> i always hated em... unsorted.. hard to read
[11:27] <jiyuu0> that's a plus point for evo
[11:28] <iMeXdiAC> rm -rf / doesnt work that efficient .. rm -rf /* would be a bit better .. but not sure ..
[11:29] <iMeXdiAC> as i just tried it some time ago ..
[11:29] <davmor2> bob2 are you about
[11:29] <ctd> rm -rf /'s are best done in UMLs.
[11:29] <bluewheel> linux_mafia, everytime i convince myself gentoo is better than debian i think how long it would take to install and debian wins again
[11:29] <ctd> That's how I did mine.
[11:30] <Synek> huh
[11:30] <Synek> i've recalled myself "Gentoo is rice" ;-)
[11:30] <crimsun> iMeXdiAC: um, what's the difference between / and /* with `rm -rf' ? :)
[11:30] <crimsun> moin Tsjoklat
[11:31] <Tsjoklat> crimsun :)
[11:31] <davmor2> can anyone help I have a problem trying to unpack an iso any apps to help or plain english man page? it says it isn't iso 9660
[11:32] <davmor2> yet the second disc burnt fine
[11:32] <crimsun> davmor2: you don't unpack an iso; you mount it using a loopback device
[11:32] <davmor2> how? crimsun
[11:32] <crimsun> davmor2: mount -t loop foo.iso /somemountpoint
[11:32] <crimsun> -o loop
[11:32] <crimsun> not -t
[11:33] <davmor2> ta
[11:33] <mgedmin> rm -rf /* will not remove files in / that start with a dot
[11:33] <iMeXdiAC> crimsun somehow rm -rf doesnt descend in all directories with the / alone resp wants to remove / and not the contents of / as it would with /*
[11:33] <mgedmin> don't know how useful that is ;)
[11:33] <davmor2> is the loop command already in warty or do i need to dl it
[11:33] <bob2> davmor2: ?
[11:34] <crimsun> davmor2: it's built into mount(8) and the kernel
[11:34] <crimsun> davmor2: you don't need anything extra
[11:34] <davmor2> thanx a lot I'll try that
[11:36] <crimsun> iMeXdiAC: the corner case is as mgedmin described.~
[11:39] <iMeXdiAC> hmm .. how about rm -rf /* /.*   -- as im quite sure as i only used the / it didnt really work on all files
[11:40] <crimsun> will remove / recursively, but /* /.* will require a rmdir / afterward to achieve the same
[11:41] <bob2> if you're deleting a directory, just give the directory name, with no * on the end at all
[11:42] <Tsjoklat> hey bob2
[11:42] <crimsun> yeah my leading '/' was eaten by irssi because I forgot to use / /
[11:42] <Gmail> bob2: you mist the trolls in here
[11:43] <Tsjoklat> Gmail what do you mean.. you are still in here
[11:43] <iMeXdiAC> hmm .. but isnt the / alone a special case as its the main entry point .. or not
[11:43] <bob2> no
[11:43] <bob2> Tsjoklat: hola.  made it back in one piece?
[11:44] <Tsjoklat> bob2 still breathing :)
[11:45] <iMeXdiAC> hmm what is then a better expl that rm -rf / doesnt work that well ..
[11:45] <crimsun> iMeXdiAC: a simple / is the most effective
[11:45] <crimsun> (and hence the most dangerous)
[11:46] <iMeXdiAC> well i issued this command once .. and the harddrive wasnt empty after that as i recall ..
[11:46] <linux_mafia> Gmail, what trolls?
[11:47] <iMeXdiAC> but its hair splitting prolly ;)
[11:47] <Gmail> linux_mafia: you mist them probbly
[11:48] <Gmail> someone flooded Gmail: join bla bla with bla bla being repeated 100 times
[11:48] <Tsjoklat> Gmail take it to offtopic
[11:48] <Tsjoklat> nobody cares
[11:48] <Gmail> i banned from offtopic
[11:48] <Gmail> this is why bob2 you need to unabn me
[11:48] <Tsjoklat> then start your own channel: Gmail
[11:49] <Gmail> no
[11:49] <bob2> Gmail: 'unabn'?
[11:50] <daniels> Gmail: if we are awake, we are going to be monitoring the channel.  putting 'staffers please monitor this channel' in the topic is pointless and incredibly annoying.  don't do it.
[11:50] <daniels> Gmail: and whining about #ubuntu-offtopic in here is also offtopic for #ubuntu.  i've asked you many, many times to stop it, but it appears you are unable to respect that.
[11:53] <iMeXdiAC> anyhow .. the reason im here is because the standard wardog install got me a nice working gnome 2.8 but on my g3 the screensaver looks up the machine as some openGL savers get loaded and i didnt find a comment about that with google .. it maybe the gl or the drm components i guess and only an issue with my aty128 as i would prbly just need to get a newer kernel hence upgrading to hoary ..
[11:53] <daniels> yeah, we've fixed it in hoary, but we aren't really doing non-security updates to warty, sorry
[11:54] <iMeXdiAC> ahh thx :))
[11:54] <Tsjoklat> big differance a few weeks.. hoary looks fabio!
[11:59] <Gmail> bob2: unban
[12:00] <Gmail> daniels: just give me one wack in the head and i'll neave do stupid stuff again
[12:07] <bob2> Gmail: you've had many 'wacks in the head'
[12:08] <Gmail> bob2: no only one when i was 8 days old
[12:09] <netdur> iirc (osnews.com), mono (vm) will be included per default in next release! true?
[12:09] <Treenaks> Gmail: don't forget you were dropped on your head when you were a kid
[12:09] <Gmail> Treenaks: dropped on head == wacked
[12:10] <Treenaks> Gmail: no wacked = hit in the head hard with a blunt object
[12:10] <Gmail> because when someone drops you the are really wacking you using the floor
[12:11] <Treenaks> Gmail: let's talk about this in #123, OK?
[12:11] <Gmail> how about #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:11] <Treenaks> Gmail: you can't enter there, so let's try #123
[12:11] <Gmail> but --- Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned).
[12:11] <Treenaks> or #nonsense
[12:12] <Treenaks> Gmail: anyway
[12:12] <Gmail> --- asimov.freenode.net sets mode +n #123--- ChanServ removes channel operator status from Gmail--- ChanServ sets mode +s #123--- ChanServ sets mode +n #123--- ChanServ sets mode +t #123--- ChanServ sets mode +m #123
[12:13] <Gmail> the channel is friken +m w/o an op to voice anyone
[12:13] <daniels> guys, please take it to another channel, or /msg.  i really don't care, and it doesn't belong in #ubuntu.
[12:13] <Gmail> daniels: then unban me from #ubuntu-offtopic because there is no where else to talk about it
[12:15] <daniels> (as I was in the middle of asking him to come back in a week and cool off in the meantime, he left anyway)
[12:17] <ctd> He's somewhere from Sydney/NSW which is scary.
[12:18] <Synek> bah. another "my kung-fu is better than yours"
[12:18] <linux_mafia> daniels,  damn, he must have been a pita, you and jdub, etc, are some of the most (probably, the most) patient dudes ive ever seen in a help channel
[12:19] <Synek> linux_mafia: true indeed ;)
[12:29] <tsw> Hi I was wondering does the default ubuntu install support laptops powersaving options?
[12:29] <gnarvaez> hi, is anyone in Mataro?
[12:29] <neoxed> any one know a easy way to fix synaptic package manager
[12:29] <Cyberjames> Mataro location?
[12:30] <bob2> gnarvaez: lots of people are
[12:30] <gnarvaez> [I should state for the record that I am an anthropologist doing research...] 
[12:30] <bob2> neoxed: how did you break it?
[12:30] <bob2> tsw: yes
[12:30] <hazza96> i am trying to install Warty and am getting a "failed getting release file /cdrom/dists//Release" message
[12:30] <gnarvaez> I am curious as to how many people are there and what is the general atmosphere of the meetings
[12:30] <neoxed> dunno it gives me errors when it trys to finsh installing packages
[12:31] <tsw> bob2: great, how about hibernate?
[12:31] <hazza96> I checked the forums and nothing, I checked the CD and it doesn't have that dir
[12:31] <bob2> tsw: depends on your hardware
[12:32] <bob2> gnarvaez: there's ~30 people in this room at the moment, and the mood is...interested
[12:32] <tsw> bob2: ok thanks Ill inform how it went as soon as I get the install done on a ibm (390x pretty old) :)
[12:32] <hazza96> bob2: what room are you talking about?
[12:33] <bob2> hazza96: bof
[12:33] <hazza96> can anyone help me?
[12:33] <gnarvaez> Interesting? That has a number of meanings.
[12:33] <bob2> gnarvaez: yes it does.
[12:33] <tsw> somekind of meeting going on? :)
[12:33] <bob2> tsw: yes, the ubuntu conference in mataro
[12:33] <ctd> Pick which meaning you prefer ;p
[12:34] <tsw> hmm where is mataro?
[12:34] <JanC> tsw: near Barcelona
[12:34] <bob2> tsw: spain, near barcelona
[12:34] <gnarvaez> I just happen to find out about ubuntu... and I am impressed by what the webpage says (statement of purpose)
[12:34] <hazza96> I can't install it :(
[12:34] <santagada> has anyone besides me, used smart? http://www.smartpm.org/
[12:35] <tsw> sounds great :)
[12:35] <bob2> hazza96: try asking on the user list
[12:35] <Stylos> Hi! Can someone help me with installing Cedega 4.2 on Ubuntu
[12:35] <santagada> I think it would be great if hoary used it to do package management
[12:35] <hazza96> what userlist?
[12:35] <gnarvaez> but I am curious as to how the participants (both at the conf. and virtual...) feel about the ubuntu in relation to other linux projects.
[12:35] <gnarvaez> What makes this one different?
[12:36] <bob2> hazza96: lists.ubuntu.com
[12:36] <hazza96> ok this time the install did not have problems detecting my CDROM, so maybe it will behave
[12:36] <Stylos>  Hi! Can someone help me with installing Cedega 4.2?
[12:37] <hazza96> Stylos: we heard the first time
[12:37] <bob2> Stylos: transgaming doesn't provide support?
[12:38] <Stylos> bob2 Well i dont find my problem on they faq
[12:38] <Stylos> When i try use it it gives only error
[12:39] <bob2> Stylos: transgaming takes your money but don't help you set it up on your system?
[12:40] <hazza96> my install of warty is going to plan this time
[12:41] <gnarvaez> [it does not sound like it is the right time to ask questions... I do wish I was there since I am in East Timor doing research... some of the people doing tech consulting are interested in finding an installation that is not too difficult to install, and this one is, by far, one of the easiest ones to install... even on a Toshiba laptop] 
[12:42] <crimsun> gnarvaez: other Linux projects generally?
[12:43] <gnarvaez> others I tried?
[12:43] <crimsun> gnarvaez: are you referring to Linux distributions or other open source projects?
[12:44] <gnarvaez> Gentoo, Fedora (2 and 3), Mandrake 10.1... could not get any of them to install on my laptop
[12:45] <gnarvaez> this Toshiba is not an easy one to get going on Linux, but now I am quite happy with it.
[12:45] <Emanuelez> gnarvaez: does knoppix work on that?
[12:46] <gnarvaez> have not tried it. (I am in East Timor at the moment and do not have a high speed connection... dsl in the office is only about 120kbs)
[12:47] <daniels> gnarvaez: which other Linux projects do you mean?
[12:47] <daniels> gnarvaez: we currently integrate pretty deeply with GNOME and Debian, obviously
[12:47] <crimsun> I think you'll find the common denominators for using Ubuntu are the ease of installation across a variety of hardware, the clear mandate for using Debian (an established base) as a development branch with clearcut biannual deliverables to the end user, and the strong community-oriented support.
[12:48] <gnarvaez> just the ones I listed. I like ubuntu (though only been using it for a few days) so I will try it out on some older Windows machines
[12:48] <bob2> gnarvaez: asking on the list would probably be a better idea, but the web site does go into a fair amount of detail on this
[12:48] <gnarvaez> We pretty much hit the roof with all the XP problems
[12:50] <linux_mafia> gnarvaez, are you timorese? or just there?
[12:50] <gnarvaez> Anyway, I do not mean to hog the channel. My research is on the use of open source solutions in peripheral countries (or third world, etc.) East Timor is as out of the way as you can get.
[12:50] <daniels> gnarvaez: ah, sorry, I'm curious what you mean by 'but I am curious as to how to the participants [...]  feel about the ubuntu in relation to other linux projects'
[12:51] <daniels> gnarvaez: not at all -- one of the major things we aim to do is to stomp right all over the digital divide
[12:51] <gnarvaez> I am an anthropologist (and former engineer) from California. I am doing my phd at UC Irvine
[12:51] <hazza96>  gnarvaez: East Timor is not that far, it is just up the road from me
[12:52] <gnarvaez> where are you?
[12:52] <linux_mafia> gnarvaez, ok, just i was gonna throw in a "Viva Xanana Gusmao!"
[12:52] <hazza96> Brisbane
[12:52] <daniels> gnarvaez: there seem to be a number of Australians in this channel
[12:52] <gnarvaez> and unless you are on the island, the roads are best done on boat or plane
[12:53] <hazza96> ok I can't drive there but it isn't that far, US would take longer
[12:53] <gnarvaez> ah yes, and there are plenty of aussies here... (ok, and Melborne Bitter is what keeps us/them sane)
[12:53] <hazza96> yuck, MB would send me mad
[12:54] <bob2> better than budweiser.
[12:54] <crimsun> anything is better than budweiser.
[12:54] <gnarvaez> quite true! and when it is hot, which it is here, most anything will do.
[12:55] <hazza96> what alcohol % is budweiser?
[12:55] <gnarvaez> Anyway, I reside in a small ngo. but have been talking with some UNDP people regarding OS policies at different institutions.
[12:56] <santagada> Anyone has had any interest in this(http://www.smart.org/) new package manager?
[12:56] <xare> Hi
[12:56] <xare> does anybody have experience in installing gmailfs in ubuntu
[12:56] <xare> ?
[12:57] <hazza96> what is gmailfs?
[12:57] <ctd> think for a moment.. GMail 1gb storage... fs (filesystem) ;-)
[12:58] <linux_mafia> xare, not yet, had it going in fedora, just doing it now actually, how you getting on?
[12:58] <JanC> userspace filesystem that abuses a gmail account as a 1 GiB drive
[12:58] <xare> the file system than can be mounted using the memory space (1Gbyte) provided by google mail
[12:58] <ctd> JanC: Good description
[12:58] <hazza96> wow, how do I do that?
[12:58] <JanC> is written in Python
[12:58] <gnarvaez> most use Windows, but maintaining the systems is a nightmare. Some of us are trying to put a demonstration system to see how linux might be preferable to use. So far I have set up a laptop and (ok, my main machine is a powerbook 12") vpc instalation on a mac.
[12:58] <Moon-Monkey> hello people, does any1 know how i can retrieve files, such as music, from windows when using ubuntu linux?
[12:58] <xare> linux_mafia, I have mounted it
[12:58] <linux_mafia> it was so slow it seemed pointless, and i have a decent net connection
[12:59] <xare> can access it via shell
[12:59] <xare> but not via gnome
[12:59] <xare> The problem is that it needs to change things on the kernel
[12:59] <santagada> Moon-Monkey, you can use nfs captive, but I am still searching for it...
[01:00] <xare> as the gmailfs type is not supported by the kernel
[01:00] <JanC> Moon-Monkey: on the same PC ?
[01:00] <Moon-Monkey> yes, on the same pc
[01:01] <JanC> you can mount an NTFS partition read-only or a FAT32 partition r/w
[01:01] <xare> moonmonkey you need to edit your /etc/fstab file
[01:01] <xare> as root user
[01:02] <xare> This worked for me
[01:02] <xare> /dev/hda1	      /mnt/windows	vfat	defaults,user	0	0
[01:02] <xare> but check where your windows partition is
[01:02] <xare> and create an /mnt/windows directory before hand
[01:02] <santagada> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    ro,user,umask=0222 0    0
[01:03] <santagada> if you are using ntfs
[01:03] <santagada> but first you have to create the /mnt/windows dir with mkdir
[01:15] <davmor2> I've just tried to mount loop an iso image and it is coming up wrong fstype has anyone any ideas on how i can access this iso
[01:16] <crimsun> sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop foo.iso /somemountpoint
[01:17] <davmor2> what is the foo.iso section
[01:17] <crimsun> the name of the iso image
[01:17] <davmor2> okay I'll try it thanx
[01:18] <hazza96> davmor2: you haven't heard foo used as a generic name that you replace with your specific name?
[01:23] <davmor2> crimsun mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
[01:23] <davmor2>        or too many mounted file systems
[01:23] <davmor2>        (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
[01:23] <davmor2>        ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) is the message I got
[01:25] <davmor2> any ideas
[01:26] <maliks> Hi For reasons unknown I have lost my Ubuntu CDs but I still have the ISO so I extracted the ISO to my home folder /home/foo ! now how do I add this as a repo in SYNAPTIC
[01:26] <crimsun> davmor2: what does file(1) tell you about the iso file?
[01:27] <davmor2> data
[01:28] <maliks> For reasons unknown I have lost my Ubuntu CDs but I still have the ISO so I extracted the ISO to my home folder /home/foo ! now how do I add this as a repo in SYNAPTIC
[01:28] <maliks> For reasons unknown I have lost my Ubuntu CDs but I still have the ISO so I extracted the ISO to my home folder /home/foo ! now how do I add this as a repo in SYNAPTIC
[01:28] <bob2> maliks: please dtop flooding
[01:28] <BockBilbo> hello back
[01:28] <BockBilbo> :)
[01:28] <crimsun> davmor2: and you're sure the file you downloaded is not corrupt and is in .iso format?
[01:29] <bob2> maliks: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, add line like this: deb file:///path/to/where/you/extracted/it/ ./
[01:29] <davmor2> it might be this was why I wondered if the data was extractable
[01:30] <davmor2> but it is definatly .iso
[01:31] <Simira> ah, great
[01:31] <Simira> seb128: how to I delete all my contacts from evolution?
[01:32] <seb128> Simira, rm ~/.evolution/addressbook/local/system/addressbook.db ?
[01:32] <Simira> ah, ok
[01:34] <hazza96> How big are all the updates to warty? I just installed it and now it is taking forever to do the updates on my 512 ADSL
[01:34] <stvn> about half an hour download on 512kbit
[01:34] <stvn> at least that was for me
[01:40] <hazza96> thanks, I will go get some coffee
[01:45] <kent> is it possible to make evolution handle hotmail-accounts in some way?
[01:55] <BockBilbo> SOS....
[01:55] <BockBilbo> ive deleted the hostname of the system...
[01:55] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:55] <ryan> heh
[01:55] <ryan> reset it?
[01:56] <BockBilbo> ....
[01:56] <BockBilbo> how do i do that
[01:56] <trukulo> try: sudo hostname name-of-system-you-want
[01:56] <intinig> I like the new menus in hoary
[01:57] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:58] <BockBilbo> ive f**k up the system:S
[01:58] <BockBilbo> :(
[01:58] <afonit> I wish the shortcut key for menu, would bring up all three, but instead it only brings up 'applications' menu, so I have to leave it on my bar
[01:58] <BockBilbo> brb
[02:03] <linux_mafia> kent, oooh hotmail, you want a gmail invite?
[02:05] <linux_mafia> kent, otherwise, install gotmail
[02:06] <Simira> I get more span om gmail than on hotmail...
[02:06] <linux_mafia> i get no spam at all, on any of my email accounts
[02:07] <JanC> I get no spam on hotmail
[02:07] <JanC> (don't have a hotmail account)
[02:07] <JanC> :-p
[02:07] <linux_mafia> heh
[02:07] <ctd> It's called spamassassin.
[02:07] <ctd> Use it.
[02:08] <linux_mafia> i always thought it was funny that hotmail was running on fbsd for a while
[02:08] <ctd> linux_mafia: hotmail wasn't always owned by microsoft.
[02:08] <JanC> linux_mafia: it's still running on freebsd for some parts
[02:09] <linux_mafia> ctd, oh ok, i wasnt aware of that
[02:10] <linux_mafia> ctd, actually yes i was, wasnt a startup by some guy, and they bought it off him for squillions at the height of its popularity
[02:10] <JanC> hotmail was started by an Indian student in the US IIRC
[02:10] <VerTiCal> Hurray! ^_^
[02:10] <VerTiCal> Just got my Ubuntu-CDs :-)
[02:10] <linux_mafia> JanC, yeah thats the one
[02:10] <ctd> Who cares who started it.
[02:10] <VerTiCal> Lauren is a spammer, by the way.
[02:11] <linux_mafia> us, thats why were discussing it
[02:11] <ctd> Fact is, nowa days it's just used by 13-yo teeny boppers who get new email addresses every second week.
[02:11] <afonit> vERtIcAL: I just got mine aswell, it is so nice.
[02:11] <JanC> VerTiCal : still waiting  :-(
[02:11] <ctd> Like randomobscureLoL-2004@hotmail.com
[02:12] <daniels> VerTiCal: based on?
[02:12] <daniels> ah, got it, thanks
[02:12] <daniels> (she was rather slow to spam me)
[02:12] <linux_mafia> yeah, i got mine a couple of weeks back, wish id ordered more, gave them all away, people were loving them
[02:15] <VerTiCal> :)
[02:15] <daniels> ctd-goslar: onjoin
[02:16] <kent> linux_mafia, sorry for not responding. Its my brother who have a hotmail account. He dont want to fiddle with scripts, he just wants to use evolution like outlook, and not change to another pop-acount.  I figure its impossible right now? :(
[02:16] <ctd> ah hah
[02:16] <xcasex> what happened to the ppc mono builds?
[02:17] <hazza96> what was the spam about?, how come I didn't get one?
[02:18] <JanC> kent: hotwayd is a local mail proxy that makes hotmail available as a POP3 account in your mail client
[02:29] <linux_mafia> kent, gotmail looks pretty bloody simple to me
[02:41] <hazza96> hey my install is finished downloading the updates
[02:42] <xlinux_> After I upgrade to hoary I'm getting an error at boot that says temporary fail contacting nameserver and I don't know why cause in warty it was all OK.
[02:43] <mjr> that must be because hoary is the unstable development version
[02:44] <kensai> mjr, I know and I have used it before
[02:44] <kensai> I just get that error now
[02:44] <kensai> Guess I'll have to wait for final release of hoary then
[02:45] <kensai> uptime -o
[02:45] <kensai> damn it failed lol
[02:51] <xcasex> so, ubuntu ppc, mono, bork, suggestions?
[02:54] <JanC> anyone know if Ubuntu will be present at fosdem 2005 ?
[02:59] <hazza96> how long does it take for something like Firefox 1.0 to be in the repositry's?
[03:01] <hns> deb hazza96 : firefox cabn be found in the backports: http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe
[03:02] <sladen> hazza96: it's in hoary.  Hoary comes out in April.  It was in Warty, but it was buggy and switched back to 0.9.3 as it wasn't stable.
[03:02] <hazza96> ok I use Mozilla anyway i was just curious
[03:09] <sid77> ?_? lol?
[03:12] <RESET> hi
[03:14] <kerberos> hola
[03:14] <RESET> rmmod bttv
[03:14] <RESET> ERROR: Module bttv is in use by bt878
[03:14] <RESET> :\
[03:14] <RESET> problem :(
[03:15] <RESET> my tv tuner
[03:15] <mjg59> RESET: Why is that a problem?
[03:15] <hazza96> is there any chance of the downloading of debs be switched to BitTorrent?
[03:15] <hazza96> I love BT is uses MD5 as it downloads
[03:16] <kerberos> alguien sabe como grabar dvd con ubuntu 4.10??
[03:17] <jordi> kerberos: #ubuntues
[03:17] <jordi> err
[03:17] <jordi> #ubuntu-es
[03:18] <TenPlus1> hi folks...
[03:18] <TenPlus1> can someone help me with a command line problem... am trying to change screen-resolution at prompt and dunno how ???
[03:20] <mjg59> TenPlus1: In X or on the console?
[03:20] <TenPlus1> x
[03:20] <cpark> Hi all...I've got a quick question. Is there anyway to setup the omni print drivers on Ubuntu? I want to print to an IBM Network24 via a CUPS server, but I don't have the Network24 drivers.
[03:20] <TenPlus1> I booted Ubuntu into safe mode and am trying to change screen res there before X starts
[03:20] <RESET> apt-get install bttv
[03:20] <RESET> Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto
[03:20] <RESET> Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso... Fatto
[03:20] <RESET> E: Impossibile trovare bttv
[03:21] <bpd1069> gooooood mornin' all
[03:21] <sid77> errr
[03:21] <mjg59> TenPlus1: You want to change X's screen resolution?
[03:21] <mjg59> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:21] <RESET> how install bttv
[03:21] <TenPlus1> mjg59: yep...
[03:21] <RESET> module?
[03:21] <TenPlus1> will try, thx
[03:21] <sid77> RESET, you shouldn't paste italian error here ;)
[03:21] <mjg59> reformed: modprobe bttv
[03:21] <mjg59> Uh
[03:21] <RESET> ok sorry
[03:21] <mjg59> RESET: modprobe bttv
[03:22] <mjg59> But it should be loaded automatically
[03:22] <Moon-Monkey> hey peeps, how do i retrieve files from Windows when using linux?
[03:22] <Moon-Monkey> (ubuntu*)
[03:23] <wezzer> mount a windows partititon to ubuntu
[03:23] <thenuke> mount the windows partition with mount command
[03:23] <wezzer> is it FAT or ntfs?
[03:23] <Moon-Monkey> ntfs
[03:23] <thenuke> mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows  for example
[03:23] <wezzer> mkdir /mnt/windows
[03:23] <wezzer> mount -t ntfs /dev/hdX /mnt/windows/
[03:23] <RESET> my tv tuner dont work damn
[03:24] <wezzer> remember to put right letter to that /dev/hdX <- X = a,b,c,d etc...
[03:24] <CapNemo> hello :) where i can find on the web the current list of packages in ubuntu ??
[03:24] <bpd1069> quick question: how do I keep my cat from climbing up the curtains?  apt-get install waterbottle?
[03:24] <thenuke> no need for -T as far as I have seen
[03:24] <mjg59> RESET: In what way does it not work?
[03:24] <Moon-Monkey> ok, thnx mate, ill give it a try
[03:25] <RESET> don't tune the channels
[03:25] <wezzer> thenuke: okay, I'm not sure about that
[03:26] <cpark> Is there anyway to setup the omni print drivers on Ubuntu? I want to print to an IBM Network24 via a CUPS server, but I don't have the Network24 drivers.
[03:26] <thenuke> wezzer: I have never used that -T ;)
[03:26] <wezzer> and I've used it always ;)
[03:29] <TenPlus1> Does anyone have a SoundMAX Integral sound-card that works on Ubuntu somehow ?
[03:29] <Moon-Monkey> wezzer: when using that command line on hda1 i get a message saying that i dont have permission to view the contents
[03:32] <Moon-Monkey> anyone know why i am getting the message "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "windows"." when trying to access the files of my mounted harddisc?
[03:32] <sid77_> you should umask it while mounting
[03:33] <sid77_> try umounting /mnt/windows
[03:33] <sid77_> then mount it again passing "-o umask=000" without the quotes
[03:33] <Moon-Monkey> how do i unmount it?
[03:33] <wezzer> umm, I'd use sudo in that case
[03:34] <thekore> if there are any devs here, thanks for ubuntu. It works with my wireless card :) now im going to try and dual boot the ppc version with OSX. Thanks again, you dont know how great this is :D
[03:34] <sid77_> umount /mnt/windows
[03:34] <wezzer> I mean, opening nautilus for example: sudo nautilus /mnt/windows
[03:34] <TenPlus1> \quit
[03:34] <sid77_> or do as wezzer suggest, should also work
[03:34] <Moon-Monkey> ok, ill try
[03:35] <Moon-Monkey> ok, nice :) it worked
[03:36] <bpd1069> debating whether to install hoary, is there a document listing known issues with Hoary?
[03:42] <bpd1069> nevermind, found all the info i needed...
[03:44] <neo2k> does ubuntu use 2.6-kernels ???
[03:44] <wezzer> YES
[03:44] <wezzer> whopops
[03:44] <wezzer> sorry
[03:45] <wezzer> caps was on
[03:45] <neo2k> what about xorg ?
[03:45] <wezzer> 2.6.8.1 actually
[03:45] <neo2k> xorg or xfree ?
[03:45] <wezzer> xfree
[03:45] <neo2k> damn :(
[03:45] <neo2k> im trying it out right now :) used to gentoo
[03:45] <wezzer> but if you upgrade to hoary (I don't recommend) you get xorg
[03:46] <bob2> the development version of ubuntu uses x.org
[03:46] <wezzer> hoary = development of ubuntu
[03:46] <neo2k> hmn... oki, is it stable enough ?
[03:46] <Tyche> in the hoary install would it have changed the Actions button to not have the shortcut to home? and disks?
[03:46] <wezzer> I've heard it works quite ok
[03:46] <Tyche> What is Xorg?
[03:47] <bob2> Tyche: it's a change in gnome upstream that will be changed back seen
[03:47] <wezzer> but of course there might be some bugs
[03:47] <neo2k> an GPL-version of xfree :)
[03:47] <bob2> Tyche: www.x.org, a fork of xfree86
[03:47] <bob2> neo2k: no
[03:47] <daniels> neo2k: it is not GPL.  none of X is, or ever will be.
[03:47] <neo2k> heh, sorry then
[03:47] <neo2k> why not just use xfree then ? what license is xorg ?
[03:48] <Tyche> bob2: Th anks for the info.
[03:48] <Moon-Monkey> ok, so i used   mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows -o umask=000    but i can't use any files at all, except for image files... anyone know what im doing wrong?
[03:49] <bpd1069> is hdb1 your only NTFS partition?
[03:50] <Tyche> I just installed Ubuntu on a P3800 with on onboard video card and I have vertical lines spaced about an inch or so apart all the way acrossed the screen. Any suggestions?
[03:50] <Moon-Monkey> im not sure, but that is the one that i am trying to access anyhow
[03:51] <neo2k> wezzer: when is a new version of ubuntu out ? approximately
[03:51] <bpd1069> well do you just have a C: drive when in windows?
[03:51] <intinig_> why doesn't mysql listen for connections from outside localhost?
[03:51] <Moon-Monkey> oh, no... i have 2 partitions when in windows
[03:52] <wezzer> neo2k: I don't know. Somebody said that before April
[03:52] <wezzer> but I really don't know
[03:52] <Moon-Monkey> the one im trying to access is ntfs, but im not sure about the other
[03:52] <bpd1069> i bet the drive you need is not mounted,... just a hunch
[03:52] <neo2k> oki
[03:52] <neo2k> thanks anyway :)
[03:52] <neo2k> thanks all for your help, gotta go :)
[03:53] <Moon-Monkey> well, when i mount it, i get full access to look aroung in the partition, but i can't play any audio or video files
[03:53] <Moon-Monkey> nor can i extract rar files, and so on...
[03:53] <bpd1069> not sure which command will show you unmounted partions...  but I would assume hdb1 is your drive with just images...
[03:53] <_RESET> someone use tv tuner under ubuntu?
[03:54] <wezzer> Moon-Monkey: remember, that writing to ntfs is _NOT_ good idea
[03:54] <bpd1069> Moon-Monkey: : NTFS is mounted as read only (for a good reason) justcopy the files over if you want to manipulate
[03:54] <wezzer> I always copy the files I need to ext3 partition and after that do all the unrar and so on stuff
[03:54] <Moon-Monkey> well, that is exactly what i can't do, i can't copy any of the files to other directories
[03:55] <wezzer> Moon-Monkey: are you using nautilus?
[03:55] <omalley> intinig_: it may be the user you're connecting as is restricted to connecting from localhost
[03:55] <Tyche> _RESET: No sorry, no TV Tuner here. interested in getting one though. Not working at all?
[03:55] <Moon-Monkey> no, not now, but i got the same problem when using that
[03:55] <wezzer> Moon-Monkey: Nautilus didn
[03:55] <wezzer> 't work for me
[03:56] <wezzer> I copied stuff like this: sudo cp  /mnt/win2k/Folder/foo.bar /home/wezzer/
[03:56] <wezzer> that should work
[03:56] <intinig_> omalley, I granted permission to user.%
[03:56] <wezzer> remember that only root got access to these files
[03:57] <wezzer> so chown Moon-Monkey foo.bar have to be done
[03:57] <intinig_> omalley, and reloaded the grant tables but I get an error 111 as though the server isn't listening at all to foreign connections
[03:57] <Moon-Monkey> how do i become root?
[03:57] <Moon-Monkey> (im a noob at this)
[03:58] <wezzer> sudo su root
[03:58] <wezzer> or If you need to perform just a small command, you can write sudo command_you_want
[03:58] <bpd1069> i have this in my /etc/fstab: to mount my ntfs partion... notice the uid=1000:   /dev/hda1       /mnt/xp         ntfs    defaults,auto,uid=1000 0 0
[03:58] <sid77> Moon-Monkey, usually with the command "su root", in ubuntu you can try with "sudo su root" or "sudo -s"
[03:58] <wezzer> so, for example sudo chown Moon-Monkey foo.bar would be correct
[03:59] <_RESET> mhhh
[03:59] <Moon-Monkey> ok, ill give it a whirl...
[04:01] <omalley> intinig_: does netstat -tupan show mysql listening on port 3306?
[04:02] <intinig_> omalley, no it isn't listening
[04:02] <intinig_> but on localhost it works fine
[04:03] <ivar> q: if plugging in a usb backpack were to work, where on the filesystem would I find it mounted ?
[04:04] <omalley> intinig_: must be a setting in your my.cnf
[04:04] <intinig_> omalley, I'll go look
[04:04] <intinig_> but it's default ubuntu
[04:04] <omalley> ah, look for a skip-networking option
[04:05] <omalley> comment it out and restart mysql
[04:06] <Tyche> Is there another GUI file manager besides Nautilus?
[04:06] <Tyche> Something like Windows Explorer?
[04:06] <Tyche> <apologizes for using the *W word"
[04:06] <Keybuk> nautilus has a "browser mode", is that what you're after?
[04:07] <Tyche> Keybuk: Sure, I will try it. But for some reason, when I 'run application' nautilus isn't loading.
[04:10] <Moon-Monkey> wezzer: what command must i use to become root?
[04:11] <fulvioo> su!
[04:11] <Moon-Monkey> sudo su root
[04:12] <wezzer> sudo su root
[04:15] <intinig_> omalley, it was that option
[04:17] <omalley> intinig_: sweet
[04:23] <cpark> Does anyone have any idea how I might go about getting the omni print drivers on my Ubuntu box?
[04:26] <arctick> gnome is screwed up for me, i wiped out my home dir, and created another on another drive. now when i start i get a GConf error: no database available to save your configuration... can anyone help with this?
[04:27] <farruinn> arctick, maybe try making a directory in your home folder called .gconf
[04:28] <farruinn> seems silly to me though that gconf wouldn't make its own if there wasn
[04:28] <farruinn> 't one there already
[04:28] <arctick> ive got one
[04:28] <arctick> nothing in it though
[04:28] <farruinn> is that other drive being mounted at /home though?
[04:28] <arctick> my /etc/gconf/2/path seems fine
[04:29] <farruinn> or /home/<user> if the entire drive is being used as just your home folder
[04:29] <arctick> its the / drive, with a dir in it called /home
[04:29] <wezzer> any news about ubuntu cd's ?
[04:29] <farruinn> I don't think I am understanding you correctly.  Do you have two drives? One for / and one for /home?
[04:29] <arctick> it says the problem could be nfs file locking dosnt work in my $HOME but i dont know how to check that
[04:31] <arctick> also gives other possible causes that i have two gconfd processes (i only have 1) , or my NFS client machine crached (i dont know what NFS even is)
[04:32] <farruinn> nfs is network filesystem iirc
[04:32] <farruinn> but I doubt that you're using it.  I think you'd know what nfs is if you were using it =)
[04:32] <omalley> is your user entry in /etc/passwd pointing to the right location for your new homedir?
[04:32] <arctick> yeah, not using a networked filesystem
[04:33] <arctick> yeah. the path to my home is the same, its just on a different partition now
[04:34] <farruinn> arctick, ok, did you modify /etc/fstab?
[04:34] <arctick> it must be something i'm missing that was in ~/.gconf
[04:34] <arctick> yeah i modified fstab and removed the /home partition, which is now just a subdir of /
[04:35] <arctick> the only dir that changed was /home/user, the problem was when i did a cp -r * to back it all up it didnt copy the .directories
[04:36] <_RESET> vbi: open failed [/dev/vbi] 
[04:36] <_RESET> open /dev/vbi: No such file or directory
[04:37] <farruinn> arctick, do you have any other window managers installed that you could enter and run gconf?
[04:37] <farruinn> I don't know if that would fix it or not
[04:39] <arctick> well gnome actually starts, im in gnome now, its just the panel that wont run. gconfd-2 is running. is gconf another program, its not in /usr/bin i can see
[04:40] <farruinn> I'm sorry, it's gconf-editor
[04:40] <squeegy> and for future reference when copying the entire contents of a dir, use cp -a
[04:40] <HcE> tar is also good for moving filesystems =)
[04:41] <arctick> thanks, anything in paticular im lookingfor in gconf-editor?
[04:43] <arctick> i've another question too thats kind of related. after i made the dir /home/user it was owned by root, so i changed it with chown. now when i do an ls -l it says " drwxr-xr-x   42 user     root         2488 2004-12-13 10:23 user", whats the root in there refering too?
[04:43] <stvn> ah ok
[04:43] <omalley> root is the group owner
[04:43] <omalley> you should chgrp it as well
[04:44] <stvn> or chown user:user
[04:44] <arctick> alright, maybe that will fix it. im going to restart x now. thanks for the tips everyone
[04:45] <wezzer> damn it! yesterday cinelerra opened my videos correctly and now it can't find codec.
[04:45] <richard_> hi there
[04:45] <richard_> i am trying to mount a ntfs partition with read/write support, can you help me with this?
[04:46] <wezzer> argh
[04:46] <wezzer> I suggest you to NOT to do it
[04:46] <arctick> no luck :(
[04:46] <wezzer> writing to ntfs is pretty unstable
[04:47] <richard_> hm, damn, thought there is a stable way to do this
[04:47] <stvn> richard_: reformat it to vfat ;)
[04:47] <richard_> and loose my whole music collection? (-:
[04:47] <fulvioo> yeah. if you really need fat32 can be an option
[04:48] <stvn> oh but you copy it again from your cds right? :P
[04:48] <richard_> sure...
[04:48] <richard_> (-:
[04:48] <stvn> richard_: but if you want to access the music collection, read only is an option, right?
[04:49] <stvn> or get another computer put a big disk in it, install ubuntu and let it be the fileserver -my solution
[04:49] <richard_> right, ok, then I have the next problem, i get only access to it with the root user
[04:49] <fulvioo> check fstab
[04:50] <richard_> /dev/sda1       /mnt/jukebox    ntfs    ro,user,noauto,fmask=0666,dmask=0666 0 0
[04:50] <stvn> richard_: check your fstab, mine has /dev/hda2       /mnt/winxp      ntfs    ro,defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000
[04:50] <richard_> great, works!
[04:51] <farruinn> I set uid=1000,gid=1000 for a *nix filesystem but it messed up my permissions on that filesystem
[04:51] <farruinn> wil fmask and dmask work better for that?
[04:52] <bob2> don't do that
[04:52] <richard_> thanks for your kind help, bye
[04:52] <bob2> just set it on the actual filesystem
[04:52] <farruinn> how do you mean "set it"?
[04:53] <bob2> chmod and chown.
[04:53] <farruinn> well I've fixed the filesystem
[04:53] <farruinn> but I mean for future mounts
[04:54] <arctick> so NFS file locking cant be a problem if i dont use NFS right?>
[04:54] <farruinn> because this other filesystem is a *nix install, so I can't have every file I look at get changed to my linux user:group
[04:56] <arctick> does then ubuntu cd have a "repair installation" type install that will reinstall all the important stuff and let me make a new user account that will work with gnome without removing all my media files
[04:56] <arctick> all i really need is a new user account
[04:56] <stvn> hm laptop van 905gram
[04:56] <trans_err> arctick, next time you install you should make a sepperate /home
[04:57] <zenwhen> yeah
[04:57] <zenwhen> it solved a lot of issues
[04:57] <zenwhen> solves*
[04:57] <arctick> i did have a seperate /home, but i made it too small so i moved it to the / which was only at like 5% usage
[04:57] <trans_err> arctick, so organize better next time... back up reformat and make things right
[04:57] <arctick> and thus my problems ensued
[04:58] <farruinn> you've already wiped the old /home partition I take it?
[04:58] <arctick> too much to back up and no where to put it
[04:58] <trans_err> arctick, find a friend :D
[04:58] <arctick> yeah, all the contents are preserved except the .hidden stuff
[04:59] <trans_err> arctick, you could look into using parted
[04:59] <trans_err> arctick, but resizing partitions is risky
[04:59] <arctick> i suppose i could pull the drive out of my other machine, it might have enough space
[05:00] <stvn> arctick: tried moving your user dir to user2 and create an empty user dir?
[05:01] <stvn> arctick: reboot and you have to setup everything again but AFAIK it'll fill the empty dir nicely
[05:02] <stvn> arctick: once you have a fully running system you canretrieve thestuff you wantfrom ~user2
[05:03] <stvn> linux prefers an empty userdir over one that's full ofbroken conf files
[05:10] <CapNemo> btw, when was founded ubuntu ??
[05:10] <arctick> thats actually what i did, i copied /home/user to /user; rmoved /home/user; removed the partition /home was on; created /home; copied /user to /home
[05:11] <arctick> apparently you cant just create your home dir, it has to be created for you by the ubuntu instal, oddly
[05:11] <bob2> CapNemo: the firest preview release was in september, people had been working on it for ~6 months before then
[05:11] <stvn> arctick: er.. no
[05:11] <CapNemo> bob2, thx :)
[05:12] <stvn> arctick: you need to create an user and that will create an user-dir, but once a user is created an empty dir /should/ work although it will complain a lot the first time that it's empty
[05:13] <stvn> arctick: important is that the user dir has the right permissions and ownership though
[05:13] <stvn> arctick: the problem is that you copied /user to /home/user
[05:14] <arctick> well the ownership is right now, what should the permissions be, i have drwrx-xr-xr
[05:14] <arctick> i must go now, thank you for all your help anyway
[05:15] <thekore> is there a way (maybe apt-get) that i can install airsnort and kismet?
[05:15] <stvn> arctick: your original user directory is broken since it is missing the .files and .directories, ubuntu can create them, but not if the home dir does have all the other conf files
[05:15] <stvn> damn
[05:15] <thekore> i have no experience whatsoever of apt-get so im at a loss about it
[05:16] <stvn> thekore: they are linux programs?
[05:16] <thekore> yes, kismet is a wireless scanner and airsnort is a encryption cracker
[05:17] <jlinares> hi guys
[05:17] <jlinares> here there is a user with problem in his modem  (he has an hp box)
[05:17] <jlinares> has any hp user a moment to hear him? :)
[05:18] <farruinn> is it a laptop perhaps?
[05:18] <jlinares> farruinn: yap
[05:18] <stvn> thekore: ah ok, wasn't looking well
[05:18] <trukulo> jlinares, me
[05:18] <stvn> thekore: you need to enable the universe repository
[05:18] <farruinn> ubhuti binarydrivershowto
[05:18] <ubhuti> farruinn: I give up, what is it?
[05:18] <trukulo> nx9005 concretely
[05:18] <jlinares> trukulo: but you're not here, in Matar :)
[05:18] <farruinn> ubhuti binarydriverhowto
[05:18] <ubhuti> I heard binarydriverhowto is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:18] <trukulo> jlinares, that's true :)
[05:18] <stvn> thekore: use synaptic, you can then reload and search for airsnort
[05:19] <trukulo> i think you said on irc
[05:19] <trukulo> Modem: ALi Corporation M5457 AC'97 Modem Controller
[05:19] <thekore> stvn, what you have just said made no sense to me sorry :( how do i enable the universe rep?
[05:19] <kamme> question, my external hd doesn't want to be mounted anymore. It did work but now it doesn't anymore. When I try to mount it I get an error that /dev/sda1 doesn't exist
[05:19] <stvn> thekore: start synaptic
[05:19] <rjek> Hmm.
[05:20] <rjek> I can't control the volume using the volume control applet.
[05:20] <stvn> thekore: then settings>>repositories and enable the two greyed ones
[05:20] <stvn> hey rjek
[05:20] <rjek> When I click on the driver icon, I get the slider appear, but when I click on it to drag, it just vanishes.
[05:20] <stvn> cool
[05:20] <rjek> And when I click on it and use the arrow keys, it instantly returns to the previous setting.
[05:20] <thekore> stvn, i have 6 greyed ones
[05:21] <stvn> rjek: warty or hoary?
[05:21] <stvn> thekore: oh, look for the one that says section universe
[05:21] <rjek> hoary.
[05:21] <rjek> Although the control was working yesterday :)
[05:21] <stvn> heh
[05:22] <stvn> strange
[05:22] <rjek> hoary's not broken atm is it?  (ie, is it safe to update?)
[05:22] <stvn> there's no other app playing with mixer settings?
[05:22] <thekore> stvn, ok, then reload?
[05:22] <stvn> this morning update works fine for me
[05:22] <rjek> stvn: There's XMMS, but even quiting that doesn't help.
[05:22] <stvn> thekore: yeah the button, obviously
[05:23] <thekore> thanks :)
[05:24] <stvn> rjek: but you didn't change anything since yesterday?
[05:24] <rjek> stvn: Nope.
[05:24] <thekore> stvn, thanks its found kismet now :)
[05:24] <stvn> rjek: simple logic results in that it should work ;) tried to reduce your uptime to 0min?
[05:24] <stvn> thekore: np
[05:25] <rjek> stvn: Heh.
[05:25] <rjek> I've not, no.
[05:26] <rjek> I'm mildly worried that the "smart update" suggests that it's going to remove aptitude and synaptic.
[05:26] <rjek> As well as mono.
[05:26] <rjek> and fam.
[05:26] <rjek> And other bits that look important.
[05:26] <stvn> mono is not a problem, it's just meta
[05:26] <stvn> aptitude and synaptic are more worrysome
[05:26] <farruinn> and fam...
[05:27] <stvn> rjek: use aptitude and put somemagic into it
[05:27] <stvn> hm that's this afternoon
[05:27] <crisp> anyone know where i can get hole of uudecode?
[05:27] <stvn> rjek: should have updated this morning, everything was fine then
[05:28] <stvn> ah leave apt at it's current version
[05:28] <stvn> I think the new apt is to blame
[05:28] <rjek> Right.
[05:28] <rjek> I'll play with that when I'm not hungry.
[05:31] <kamme> so no info about the external hd not being able to mount?
[05:32] <stvn> kamme: sure it should be on sda1?
[05:32] <kamme> pretty sure. It was mounted befor the reboot on sda1, I looked it up and then added it to /etc/fstab
[05:33] <stvn> kamme: you added it? how did it mount before the reboot?
[05:34] <kamme> when I plugged it in
[05:34] <bob2> kamme: don't add it to fstab
[05:34] <alexissoft> hi
[05:35] <kamme> ok, I commented it out
[05:35] <stvn> kamme: if is recognised automatically you don't need to edit thefstab
[05:36] <kamme> it won't mount automaticly now... :/
[05:36] <stvn> kamme: unplug and replug it
[05:36] <kamme> I did
[05:36] <kamme> tried 2 ports
[05:37] <kamme> I see disk activity when I plug it in but nothing happens
[05:37] <stvn> kamme: did you change anything since the last time it worked (except the fstab)
[05:37] <bob2> kamme: are you using gnome?
[05:38] <kamme> stvn, nope
[05:38] <kamme> bob2, yes
[05:38] <bob2> kamme: are you using hoary?
[05:38] <stvn> listen to bob2, i'm off home
[05:38] <bob2> did you reformat the disk recently?
[05:39] <kamme> stvn, no warty
[05:39] <kamme> bob2, nope...
[05:43] <kamme> bob2, so you have no idea what could be wrong?
[05:43] <bob2> try asking on the list
[05:43] <kamme> the list?
[05:43] <bob2> the user list
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[05:44] <kamme> ok, i'll try
[05:44] <kamme> thank you
[05:45] <moquist> yikes!  I'm using Synaptic to upgrade Hoary; I've only used apt-get before.  Synaptic says it's going to uninstall aptitude, python-apt, synaptic, and ubuntu-base - and not one of those four is in the "To be upgraded" list or the "To be installed" list.  Can anyone explain what's going on?
[05:45] <jdub> moquist: try doing it without smart upgrade
[05:46] <linux_mafia> jesus, someone seems to be getting banned everytime i come back in here
[05:46] <moquist> jdub: k, now the list looks sane.  I thought smart upgrade would be, well, smart.  Silly me.  :-p
[05:47] <bob2> spambots move in once you get popular
[05:47] <linux_mafia> heh
[05:47] <moquist> jdub: thanks.  I'll have to re-read what Smart says it's doing.
[05:48] <jdub> moquist: smart upgrade is the same as dist-upgrade with apt, it basically means "resolve me harder"
[05:59] <iMeXdiAC> i just made a distupgrade to hoary on an ibookg3 .. n now im on a non funct xorg comming from xfree .. silly me now wonders how to get this fixed as im on an irssi instance
[06:01] <iMeXdiAC> was that a hint to have rather read the ubuntuguide before .. :?
[06:02] <daniels> iMeXdiAC: ah no, sorry, that was just tidying it a little
[06:02] <daniels> iMeXdiAC: grab the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines from /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and add them to the Monitor section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:02] <daniels> iMeXdiAC: i've already got a patch in my packages, will upload them tomorrow or such
[06:03] <iMeXdiAC> :) .. ll try
[06:03] <rapha> Hey Ubuntu guys, where do you want patches for packages to go?
[06:04] <daniels> rapha: to the bugzilla, usually
[06:05] <rapha> Okay, thanks
[06:05] <PotajiTo> wenas
[06:06] <rapha> Unbearable.
[06:06] <veran> hy-oo!
[06:07] <jmhodges> uh.. questoin
[06:07] <jmhodges> in hoary, im getting told that synaptic wants to remove aptitude, synaptic and python-apt
[06:07] <rapha> uh... yeah?
[06:07] <rapha> Heheh
[06:07] <jmhodges> in short, wtf?
[06:07] <rapha> Looks like everybody is asking this today.
[06:07] <moquist> jmhodges: did you do "Smart" upgrade?  Don't.  :)
[06:07] <rapha> jmhodges: My solution is to wait it out.
[06:07] <moquist> jmhodges: I just did and asked the same thing.
[06:08] <veran> sounds like a bad dependancy on a recent uploaded package
[06:08] <rapha> moquist: Problem is just if that's what you want.
[06:08] <moquist> rapha: well, yeah.  if that's what you want then it's a problem.
[06:08] <veran> don't upgrade, wait a day or so, then reload
[06:08] <jmhodges> k
[06:08] <rapha> Does somebody want to put that into the topic?
[06:09] <jmhodges> heh, odd, i also no longer have the System Preferences in my Applications menu.. oh rapture :)
[06:10] <rapha> jmhodges: Also wait a couple of days.
[06:10] <jmhodges> hehe i figured :)
[06:10] <veran> beta beta breaky breaky
[06:11] <rapha> Just out of interest: Poll: how many people here are also interested in a hide-GAIM-window-on-startup patch?
[06:11] <iMeXdiAC> thanks a lot daniels :)) ..
[06:12] <daniels> iMeXdiAC: no worries
[06:12] <iMeXdiAC> :)
[06:15] <stvn> rapha: me
[06:16] <rapha> Cool.
[06:16] <rapha> Then I'm not on this senselessly. :)
[06:17] <rapha> stvn: Do you think it would have to be configurable through the preferences dialog?
[06:17] <stvn> rapha: i wait for the list to appear and click on the notification area icon
[06:17] <rapha> Yeah, me too...
[06:18] <stvn> rapha: yeah, i can image some ppl want it to stay, dunno why ...
[06:22] <gnomeinvasion> Hi all. How do I change my soundcard config in Ubuntu? there's no asoundrc in /etc/ or anywhere?
[06:22] <rapha> Grr. It doesn't want to.
[06:34] <vera1> hrmm
[06:34] <vera1> suspend works! ..... resume still needs works though :)
[06:35] <trulux> hi
[06:36] <trulux> fonts look weird on my crt monitor, without sub-pixel rendering which is neat in my lcd panel and difused
[06:38] <Tyche> Filesystem question: Should I go with EXT3 or ReiserFS?
[06:38] <Tyche> I'm not doing anything like a webserver with secure shopping or anything
[06:38] <bob2> if you're asking, ext3
[06:38] <vera1> I normally do ext3 or XFS these days
[06:39] <Tyche> bob2, yup asking. ext3 is the way to go eh.
[06:39] <bob2> ext3 has some issues in 2.6.8 ime
[06:41] <Tyche> bob2: Yet ext3 is still the best to go with?
[06:42] <vera1> yep
[06:42] <vera1> ext3 is by far the most widely used filesystem for linux right now
[06:43] <xevil> ext3 journaling is a good thing...
[06:43] <fulvioo> for the benchmarks I have seen, ext3 is not very fast compared to reiserfs
[06:43] <Tyche> veral & bob2: Great...thank you. I'm now partitioning and it is starting to copy files.
[06:43] <wezzer> does it have any advantages to ,for example, reiserfs?
[06:43] <wezzer> or is it good just for it's large use in unix?
[06:43] <bob2> stability
[06:43] <Tyche> From my understanding it is when it journals
[06:44] <vera1> easy to use, stability
[06:44] <vera1> well supported everywhere
[06:44] <JanC> ext3 journaling is not exactly "good", but it works, an it's ext2 compatible...
[06:44] <Tyche> any hoary testers?
[06:45] <carthikSchool> Tyche, currently updating
[06:45] <Fwiffo_> Tyche: yes
[06:45] <Tyche> Fwiffo_: I have been running it on another machine and it seems like the menu is moved around a bit. Including a drop down for places...
[06:46] <Fwiffo_> Tyche: yes, it's the new menu structure - quite nice imho :)
[06:46] <Tyche> Fwiffo_: Can Imake that change to a warty install?
[06:47] <Tyche> Fwiffo_: I like it also.
[06:47] <farruinn> Tyche, I don't think so because I think so
[06:47] <Fwiffo_> Tyche: I'm pretty sure the answer is no
[06:47] <farruinn> and I think pinning wouldn't work well in this case either
[06:48] <Fwiffo_> Tyche: it depends on some quite deep changes that were introduced in gnome 2.9 i think
[06:48] <myselfhimself> hi
[06:49] <myselfhimself> cool
[06:49] <myselfhimself> my answer is in the topic
[06:49] <farruinn> wow! someone actually read the topic!
[06:49] <Fwiffo_> Tyche: but you could just rearrange your menus manually on your warty machine I guess
[06:49] <Tyche> Fwiffo_: Bummer. On the one I use Ubuntu the most, my laptop, I had small issues with Hoary. Or at least think it was hoary since I had zero issues before.
[06:49] <Fwiffo_> Tyche: :/
[06:50] <Tyche> Fwiffo_: Have you had any shutdown issues? Seems that my hoary machine would take forever to shutdown...if it did.
[06:50] <Fwiffo_> Tyche: no, not really - there were some umount breakage at one point, but that seems to have been fixed
[06:51] <Fwiffo_> Tyche: I'm running Hoary on a Compaq n600c laptop
[06:51] <Tyche> No worries, going to try Warty again and make sure all seems to run okay. The install is simple enough. Don't mind doing it over to test it.
[06:52] <Fwiffo_> :)
[06:52] <myselfhimself> hey
[06:52] <stvn> is there a way to edit mimetypes/associations?
[06:52] <myselfhimself> i'd like to make sure that my X will still be in 1280*1024 when i start up again...
[06:52] <myselfhimself> because it has just given me a 640*480 screen
[06:53] <myselfhimself> so I tried and see what was wrong in my Xorg.conf file
[06:53] <myselfhimself> the default screen depth is 24
[06:53] <padlef0t> aye?
[06:53] <myselfhimself> and for depth 24 i've got Modes	"1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[06:54] <padlef0t> what p2p software should i use with Linux?
[06:54] <myselfhimself> so what should i do?
[06:54] <padlef0t> not bittorent
[06:54] <myselfhimself> azureus?
[06:54] <myselfhimself> ok
[06:54] <padlef0t> more like Direct Connect
[06:54] <Pluk> dcgui-qt for DC
[06:55] <Tyche> Well I have been enjoying Ubuntu for the last while. I like to tweak on things and install new cool things.
[06:55] <myselfhimself> there is pdonkey
[06:55] <myselfhimself> http://sourceforge.net/search/
[06:55] <Tyche> What does everyone use there installs for? Are there apps I should check out?
[06:56] <stvn> myselfhimself: what does the xorg log say?
[06:56] <bensexson> i updated and now synaptic has been removed and won't reinstall because it is missing libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3.  apt has gone up to 6.27 dselect and aptitude do not work either.  anyone know of a fix for this?
[06:56] <stvn> Tyche: tomboy if you need to organise random thoughts/notes
[06:56] <myselfhimself> stvn, i should copypast xorg's log somwehere maybe
[06:56] <stvn> bensexson: downgrade or wait a few hours
[06:57] <stvn> myselfhimself: use pastebin, see topic
[06:57] <Tyche> stvn: Would that work for like a personal journal?
[06:57] <bensexson> cool thanks
[06:57] <stvn> Tyche: doubtful, it's more a stickynote thing
[06:57] <Tyche> myselfhimself: pdonkey what is it? Like napster?
[06:57] <stvn> Tyche: there are blog apps though
[06:57] <myselfhimself> http://rafb.net/paste/results/j9MFS154.html
[06:58] <Tyche> stvn: Okay, I will look for something and also check out tomboy
[06:58] <Tyche> myselfhimself: How did you do that copy, that was nicely done.
[06:59] <myselfhimself> i went on http://rafb.net/paste/
[06:59] <stvn> myselfhimself: ah right, you got a build in videocard?
[06:59] <myselfhimself> hmm
[06:59] <myselfhimself> what's a build-in video car?
[06:59] <myselfhimself> d
[06:59] <myselfhimself> my bro installed the drivers through apt
[06:59] <myselfhimself> synaptic rather
[06:59] <stvn> myselfhimself: one which was on your motherboard, not on a seperate card
[07:00] <myselfhimself> we didn't bother the get the drivers on nvidia's site
[07:00] <myselfhimself> no
[07:00] <myselfhimself> my video card is "separate"
[07:00] <stvn> myselfhimself: k
[07:00] <myselfhimself> it works well overall it's just that I have to change the resolution every time I reboot
[07:00] <stvn> myselfhimself: the trouble is that the videocard assumes that your monitor cannot handle 1280x1024 so it protects against it
[07:01] <farruinn> stvn, this page discusses setting mime-types in gnome: http://www.uni-kiel.de/rz/nvv/altix-doc/man_html/man5/gnome-vfs-mime.5.html
[07:01] <myselfhimself> oh
[07:01] <stvn> farruinn: ta
[07:01] <farruinn> I don't know of an app that makes it easy to edit them though
[07:01] <jon1012> hello :D
[07:01] <myselfhimself> but my screens can do 1280*1024
[07:01] <myselfhimself> what should I change then?
[07:01] <tritium> I think I'm going to install java-package from Debian unstable, since it's at versio 0.17, while the one in multiverse is 0.14
[07:01] <jon1012> hey I've received my ubuntu CD's :D
[07:01] <stvn> myselfhimself: it can be disabled, but you've to be sure that your monitor can handle the resolution
[07:02] <Schumister> hi guys
[07:02] <myselfhimself> then I should change my default depth to 16 shouldn't I? (not 24)
[07:02] <tim1> hello
[07:02] <myselfhimself> my monitor did handle the resolution on last time
[07:02] <Schumister> can anyone tell me when is the next lot of pressed ubuntu linux cd going to be shipped ( i live in johannesburg south africa ) thanx in advance
[07:02] <myselfhimself> and it did handle it on another distro
[07:02] <rapha> Graaah
[07:03] <stvn> myselfhimself: are you sure that the monitor specs in the xorg.conf file are correct?
[07:03] <rapha> I hate it. After each and every update, I have to log out and back in again because GNOME stops working.
[07:03] <rapha> brb
[07:03] <myselfhimself> 	Monitor		"Generic Monitor" is that the problem?
[07:03] <Fwiffo_> myselfhimself: Have you tried using the 'screen resolution' app under the system settings menu?
[07:03] <myselfhimself> hum
[07:03] <myselfhimself> my gnome is "broken"
[07:03] <Asako> I hate my cd burner not working right
[07:04] <stvn> myselfhimself: you need to add to the section "device" one of the following options:
[07:04] <Fwiffo_> myselfhimself: aah :(
[07:04] <myselfhimself> i rebooted once and my applications menu is messed up
[07:04] <tim1> i finally made it that hoary breaks my gnome, the only things that load are the panels, but they're empty except the "show desktop" button, any tips except reinstall ?
[07:04] <Schumister> help please
[07:04] <myselfhimself> and the menu next to it doesn't display any computer configuration tools
[07:04] <wezzer> Schumister: I don't know either - I ordered few cd's 2 weeks ago :/
[07:04] <Asako> I had to revert to 2.4.26 kernel
[07:06] <carthikSchool> Schumister, why not download a cd, if the wait is getting too long?
[07:06] <carthikSchool> I got mine after a couple of months
[07:06] <stvn> myselfhimself: Option "UseEdidFreqs" "boolean" Option "IgnoreEDID" "boolean" Option "NoBandWidthTest" "boolean"
[07:06] <myselfhimself> stvn, man : )
[07:06] <stvn> myselfhimself: the menu problem is fixed in the latest hoary, but that hasan apt-issue ATM
[07:07] <stvn> myselfhimself: it's in /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0
[07:07] <myselfhimself> ok
[07:07] <Schumister> i just wanne know the next shipment date
[07:07] <jam3s> when shipment date?
[07:07] <stvn> myselfhimself: you need to play with them and see which one solves it, for me itwas the nobandwidth, but that's the most dangerous of the 3 AFAIK
[07:07] <restrex> shit, i was waiting minutes to enter... beautiful server !
[07:08] <scizzo> hmmm...why isn't my sound working as it should... :(
[07:08] <xiximkopp> i just updated my hoary, now i have these cute ubuntu menus back! wow! but i think there should be a link to the trash folder... should i fill i bugreport or are you thinking this is not needed?
[07:08] <myselfhimself> stvn, ok thank you
[07:09] <Fwiffo_> myselfhimself: you could also try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'
[07:09] <Schumister> when the next cd's ship
[07:09] <farruinn> xiximkopp: what do you mean by link?  a menu item?
[07:09] <scizzo> in some weird way something is blocking the soundcard and I haven't got any sound server on
[07:09] <myselfhimself> Fwiffo_, but it seems that i'm not using xfree86 but xorg
[07:09] <bob2> Schumister: probably best to ask on the users list
[07:10] <Fwiffo_> myselfhimself: aah...
[07:10] <zAo^> what is the best way to get JAVA support in Firefox?
[07:10] <Asako> but now sound won't work
[07:10] <myselfhimself> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree8 is not installed
[07:10] <xiximkopp> farruinn, yes
[07:10] <Fwiffo_> myselfhimself: how about sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:10] <myselfhimself> xserver-xorg works though
[07:10] <myselfhimself> yes
[07:10] <wezzer> zAo^: check ubuntuforums and there the howto-discussions
[07:10] <zAo^> thanks wezzer
[07:11] <bob2> zAo^: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:11] <farruinn> xiximkopp, I believe that if you add your trash folder to your gnome favorites it will be there
[07:11] <farruinn> xiximkopp: iirc that's what jdub said in his post on ubuntu-devel about the new menu system
[07:12] <farruinn> I don't think that the trash will be added to the menu by default though because there is the trash applet
[07:12] <farruinn> so does this mean that gnome-menus is fixed in hoary?
[07:12] <skeasor> I just wanna let you guys know, that I love ubuntu
[07:12] <xiximkopp> farruinn, i think so...
[07:13] <skeasor> Its the linux Ive never had
[07:13] <myselfhimself> hey
[07:13] <tim1> can anybody please help me with my gnome problem ?
[07:13] <myselfhimself> i did not read menu in the xserver-xorg
[07:13] <myselfhimself> and it now asks me whether to emulate a 3 buttons mouse
[07:13] <skeasor> whats the gnome problem?
[07:13] <myselfhimself> i do have one 3buttons mouse but i don't understand what emulate means
[07:13] <farruinn> myselfhimself: that means if you have a two-button you push both for the third button
[07:13] <myselfhimself> ok
[07:13] <xiximkopp> farruinn, i added ~/.Trash to my favorites, but it is only in the gtk file dialogue... not in places. but i can live with that one.
[07:13] <myselfhimself> so no emulation then?
[07:13] <tim1> skeasor: when i log in, nothing loads but the panels (empty)
[07:14] <farruinn> myselfhimself: I don't think you need it
[07:14] <skeasor> myselfhimself you dont need it if you have 3 buttons
[07:14] <Tyche> I know this is stupid question...but when I have my machine boot up...is there a way to make the [ ok ]  green and the [ failed ]  red?
[07:14] <tim1> so the desktop is unusable
[07:14] <Schumister> anyone know how to check if your cd have been sent to a factory or not
[07:15] <Schumister> *cd's
[07:15] <bob2> Schumister: login to shipit.ubuntu.com
[07:15] <skeasor> Tyche? what?
[07:15] <scizzo> anyone that can help me with my sound and such?
[07:16] <tim1> scizzo: whats the problem ?
[07:16] <myselfhimself> thanks for your help all
[07:16] <billytwowilly> hmm. hoary is trying to remove synaptic.. strange.
[07:16] <myselfhimself> i'm going to kick the session
[07:16] <skeasor> warty
[07:16] <scizzo> tim1: no sound
[07:17] <tim1> scizzo, what programs so you use ?
[07:17] <scizzo> tim1: well I get the nice little "boink" in the gdm stuff but the mixer in gnome does not give me the right options
[07:17] <scizzo> tim1: rhythmbox etc
[07:17] <xiximkopp> billytwowilly, i have no synaptic anymore... :-( just updated and it disapaered
[07:17] <scizzo> tim1: and I have -mad from gstreamer
[07:17] <tritium> billytwowilly, did you try to dist-upgrade?
[07:17] <skeasor> scizzo make sure your sound card is supported
[07:17] <scizzo> tim1: the player is playing...but no sound
[07:17] <skeasor> has it worked in another distro?
[07:18] <billytwowilly> I haven't done it yet. I ran synaptic and saw that it was trying to do something dumb, so I thought I'd ask in here.
[07:18] <tim1> scizzo: try "sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss"
[07:18] <scizzo> skeasor: :P Sound Blaster Live!
[07:18] <Tyche> what is ubuntu-desktop
[07:18] <vassie> hello, anyone here using an intel yc64 webcam?
[07:18] <Tyche> skeasor: You know on other distros when you linux is loading and it gets the green colored okay's when loading?
[07:18] <tritium> I usually use "apt-get -u upgrade" (or dist-upgrade) to see what it's going to do before I allow it.
[07:18] <xiximkopp> aptitude isnt there either...
[07:19] <vassie> gnome-meeting detects it, but as soon as i turn on the video, it locks up
[07:19] <billytwowilly> yah, it tries to remove aptitude as well
[07:20] <tritium> and ubuntu-base, I believe
[07:20] <tritium> and python-apt
[07:20] <tritium> xiximkopp, try apt-get install apt=0.5.32 (the version before you updated)
[07:20] <dude> anyone from south africa in here
[07:21] <tritium> and then if that works, apt-get install aptitude synaptic python-apt ubuntu-base
[07:21] <tritium> (which shoudl have been removed when apt=0.6.27 was installed)
[07:21] <scizzo> tim1: no changes
[07:23] <tim1> scizzo, sorry i don't know anything else myself ...
[07:23] <scizzo> tim1: I have "USB Audio Class [OSS Mixer] " with one option "Microphone" and then I have the "Sound Blaster Live! [Alsa Mixer] " next to it with a lot of options
[07:23] <xiximkopp> i think i can live with dselect, until there is a new synaptic with apt=6
[07:23] <scizzo> what is the problem is that the oss mixer is the one that needs PCM and so on too..
[07:24] <tritium> okay
[07:28] <novaburst> how do you send a private message in Xchat?
[07:30] <tim1> ok so i think im gonna install fedora core 3 and wait for hoary
[07:30] <xiximkopp> novaburst: like this?
[07:31] <xiximkopp> novaburst: but it is not private...
[07:31] <kleedrac> tim: I just moved to ubuntu from FC3 ... stick with ubuntu
[07:31] <tim1> kleedrac: as i stated before my gnome is broken ...
[07:31] <tim1> and i want a deskto
[07:31] <tim1> +p
[07:32] <kleedrac> tim1: Just joined the channel but what happened to your gnome?
[07:32] <tim1> it loads the panels and the "show desktop" button
[07:32] <tim1> nothing els
[07:33] <kleedrac> Did you try alt+F2 metacity
[07:33] <seb128> with a fresh user ?
[07:33] <tim1> and i have _no_ idea where to start searching for the problem ...
[07:33] <seb128> after an upgrade ?
[07:33] <tim1> alt+f2 isn't working
[07:34] <seb128> have you restart the session ?
[07:34] <kleedrac> Wow ... did you try to create a new user and see if they can use gnome?
[07:34] <tim1> metacity is working however ...
[07:34] <seb128> tim1, seems to be a gnome-vfs-daemon hanging
[07:34] <seb128> just try to killall gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus gnome-panel trashapplet
[07:34] <rodi> tim1: rm -rf /tmp/*
[07:35] <rodi> I had the same problem.
[07:35] <tim1> kleedrac, no, but thats a good idea
[07:35] <rodi> then restart X.
[07:35] <tim1> ok that are good points to start with
[07:35] <werewolf> Hi all, it's possible to use swat whitout being root but using sudo?
[07:35] <tim1> i'll try all and be right back
[07:36] <tim1> thanks so far :)
[07:36] <kleedrac> np
[07:36] <farruinn> werwolf, do you need to be some other user, but not root?
[07:37] <rodi> I crashed before after asking this-
[07:37] <rodi> libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 seems to have disappeared from Hoary.  Anyone else had this problem?
[07:38] <xiximkopp> rodi: they updated apt to 6.2
[07:40] <superted> is there a way to use the install cd to install JUST the bootloader?
[07:40] <superted> like part of a rescue operation
[07:41] <tim1> :)
[07:41] <farruinn> superted, you could boot from cd, go to a shell and apt-get it maybe
[07:41] <tim1> everything works again
[07:41] <RomPres> Is anyone here on the mol-general mailing list?
[07:41] <tim1> rm -rf /tmp/* made it
[07:42] <superted> farruinn: then i'd have to mount and chroot, which i've been able to do with another cd, but the kernel then says it can't boot my root partition
[07:42] <farruinn> superted: have you tried it with the ubuntu cd?
[07:42] <RomPres> Does anyone know if I should be able to boot MacOnLinux with a Panther install CD?
[07:43] <superted> farruinn: i can do that now
[07:43] <werewolf> farruinn: I don't want to put a password on the root account, but for using swat I have to be root :(
[07:43] <farruinn> werewolf: sudo swat doesn't work?
[07:44] <HauntedUnix> If anyone here is involved with the distribution of the Ubuntu CDs (The free ones that were mailed) - thanks. Got mine today ;)
[07:44] <Pluk> i guess my order didnt fit in my mailbox
[07:44] <sladen> HauntedUnix: you could thank mako if you really wanted :-)
[07:45] <Pluk> have to collect it at the postoffice soon
[07:45] <superted> doesn't the ubuntu install kernel support reiserfs?
[07:45] <HauntedUnix> Heh - I ordered them for an Install-Fest that was going on here. Came a day late, but there were still plenty of requests for them, so I'll be dropping them off soonish to people..
[07:45] <linux_mafia> farruinn, browser interface for configuring samba
[07:45] <farruinn> werewolf: ok, I looked at the apt-cache description
[07:45] <OddAbe19> i can remove ubuntu-desktop to install totem-xine without doing any damage... right?
[07:46] <werewolf> farruinn: no :)
[07:46] <linux_mafia> superted, yes it surely does
[07:46] <linux_mafia> OddAbe19, yes, it is only a meta-package
[07:46] <farruinn> werewolf: do you have to login as root or is it "root" as with mysql?
[07:46] <superted> linux_mafia: well when i try 'linux root=/dev/hda1' it says it can't mount it. allthough im able to do it with 'mount /dev/hda1 /foo' from a booted up shell
[07:47] <OddAbe19> linux_mafia, that's what i thought... i was kinda weary though, because the last time i did, i screwed up my whole hoary system
[07:47] <sladen> superted: is that partition FAT or something instead of ext2/3
[07:47] <Asako> crap
[07:47] <Asako> I can't get a package to uninstall
[07:47] <superted> sladen: its reiserfs
[07:47] <linux_mafia> superted, you talking about in grub? yeah? did you make a custom kernel?
[07:48] <werewolf> farruinn: in debian is root (UID=0), but I don't know if is possible to give to a simple user the privilege of root, in samba
[07:48] <superted> linux_mafia: from the ubuntu install cd command line. like the first thing you encounter
[07:48] <superted> linux_mafia: its the default kernel
[07:48] <farruinn> werewolf: sorry, I don't know the first thing about samba =(
[07:49] <linux_mafia> superted, why are you passing that option on install?
[07:49] <hile> superted: you are probably missing the initrd?
[07:49] <superted> hile: is it needed in the lilo conf?
[07:49] <linux_mafia> superted, its grub
[07:49] <hile> well, the kernel has ide disks as modules, so yes, if you are booting the std kernel
[07:50] <linux_mafia> superted, and like i said why are you passing those options on install?
[07:50] <superted> ok
[07:50] <superted> linux_mafia: just trying to get it to boot up. with lilo it just says it can'y
[07:50] <superted> cant"
[07:51] <werewolf> farruinn: thanks
[07:51] <linux_mafia> superted, where does lilo come into it? are you dual booting with a previously installed linux distro?
[07:52] <hile> superted: I think best way to do this would be to go to installer, let it load installer modules so you have the devices, go to virtual console 2 and mount your fs manually and chroot: from there you could do whatdever magic you want for the boot loaders
[07:52] <hile> superted: and yes, grub is the boot loader for ubuntu, not lilo (still you _can_ install lilo but that's not normal)
[07:53] <hile> you can start the installer safely, just don't go further than the partitioning step and you have a ready to use rescue on virtual console
[07:53] <sittisal> help: i've just installed ubuntu on amd64 and at first reboot grub fails with error 18 ... wath the hell is it?
[07:54] <superted> hile: that's what i've been doing. adding initrd in the lilo conf helped :)
[07:54] <superted> hile: thanks
[07:54] <padlef0t> sittisal: you probably havent installed grub to the Master Boot Record..
[07:55] <sittisal> padlef0t, how can i remedy on that?
[07:55] <padlef0t> run the install as "expert" and you will get prompted on it
[07:55] <sittisal> ubuntu install cd can recovery my system?
[07:55] <sittisal> padlef0t, ok, nou i try... thanks
[07:55] <padlef0t> :-)
[07:56] <hile> superted: if you would use grub you could add the parameters from the boot loader cli if you screw up, without rescue (like I had to do yesterday when I installed laptop with cryptoroot and had root=/dev/hda1 instead of root=/dev/mapper/rootfs ;)
[07:56] <linux_mafia> hile, i still don't understand why that guy would want to pass a root=/blah option to the installer? do you?
[07:56] <superted> hile: yeah it's just that im not familiar with grub yet
[07:56] <hile> linux_mafia: I think he was actually talking about rescue editing lilo.conf in installer
[07:57] <linux_mafia> hile, ok got ya
[07:58] <hile> superted: check grub, it's really good ... I've seen a couple of configs where were works better but it's really rare casae
[07:58] <sittisal> padlef0t, ok i've executed a shell but no grub command found...
[07:58] <padlef0t> i had the same problem
[07:58] <padlef0t> i reinsalled the entire system
[07:58] <padlef0t> and used "expert" mode
[07:59] <sittisal> ok
[07:59] <Asako> brb
[07:59] <sittisal> merda!
[07:59] <restrex> ?
[07:59] <restrex> what did happpen tu u
[07:59] <restrex> hah
[07:59] <restrex> xd
[08:01] <Tyche> testing
[08:03] <Asako> man, cd burning is all screwed up
[08:05] <Synek> Hm?
[08:05] <JStrike> Is there a meta-package to get all the -dev packages for development with Gnome?
[08:05] <bob2> gnome-devel
[08:06] <Asako> anybody use k3b?
[08:06] <JStrike> bob2 : Great. Thanks
[08:08] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti ppl
[08:13] <magneto> anyone here using sid or sarge?
[08:14] <Asako> I was
[08:14] <magneto> which one? u using warty now?
[08:15] <Asako> yeah
[08:16] <Asako> I use sarge at home
[08:16] <Synek> magneto: i swiched from sarge couple of days ago
[08:16] <Asako> since warty has broken cd burner support
[08:16] <Synek> hm
[08:16] <magneto> im thinking about sid or sarge cause hoary really sucks
[08:16] <Seveas> hoary is development
[08:16] <magneto> well not all of hoary
[08:16] <magneto> gnome in hoary
[08:16] <Seveas> it doesn't suck, it's just not finished yet
[08:17] <magneto> i know that ive been using it for months but im tired of the constant bs
[08:17] <magneto> i need something newer than warty
[08:17] <Seveas> try sid, it's at least as unstable as hoary
[08:17] <Seveas> magneto, for what?
[08:17] <Synek> ;)
[08:18] <magneto> but not hoary - i was thinking sid or sarge either that or im going back to gentoo
[08:18] <Seveas> you can use a mixed hoary/warty system using all of warty and a few appz from hoary
[08:18] <fsmw> hello all!
[08:18] <fsmw> i got a problem using ndiswrapper and hoary
[08:18] <fsmw> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:18] <fsmw> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.9-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[08:18] <magneto> yeah i was doin that seveas but it got tired enabling and disabling repos for applying updates etc
[08:19] <fsmw> with warty everything is ok, somebody have tried this in hoary?
[08:20] <marsjays> anyone know when php5 will be in hoary?
[08:20] <|trey|> magneto, you could of course look into package pinning...
[08:20] <Seveas> fsmw, try discussing it on the list, sounds like a bug
[08:20] <adam_> Has anyone got doom3 working on ubuntu hoary?
[08:21] <|trey|> magneto, basically, it allows you to set priorities, and allows you to tell it what to upgrade from what repo etc...
[08:21] <magneto> trey- yeah but its not worth it - im goin back to gentoo
[08:21] <|trey|> magneto, have fun then I guess  :/
[08:22] <fsmw> ok Seveas
[08:22] <Olivier_54> lo tlm
[08:23] <|trey|> magneto, I don't see how learning about, and using apt pinning is harder then installing Gentoo though  :/
[08:24] <Granted> hello, when i start mplayer i read: "etc/.../mplayer.conf"
[08:24] <Granted> illegal instruction
[08:25] <|trey|> Granted, does it state anything in peticular.... or is that all that it says?
[08:25] <bob2> marsjays: it's not even in sid yet
[08:25] <Granted> nothing else
[08:25] <marsjays> i'm having problems with my 3com prism54 wifi adapter, it seems the firmware doesn't load correctly.. anyone know how to fix it?
[08:26] <Tyche> Has anyone here tried stumpleupon for your browser? If not, you should. I really like it, but I am the type that goes out to surf the internet and find new sites for all kinds of things.
[08:27] <xukun> anybody of you have dell dimension 4550?
[08:27] <Tyche> bob2: Seeing marsjays comment, reminded me, I have not been able to get my built in wireless card to work. Where can I go to read more about this? I'm not sure how I would go about getting it to work or anything.
[08:27] <Tyche> xukun: I have used Dell in the past, what is the question.
[08:27] <magneto> trey: pinning isnt harder than installing gentoo - but if I wanna customize the shit outta everything i prefer gentoo
[08:28] <|trey|> magneto, apt > portage if you learn how to use it.
[08:29] <bob2> Tyche: why sort of chipset is it?
[08:30] <magneto> trey: thats the only reason i use ubuntu apt is greater due to the availability of pkgs and no compile times
[08:30] <xukun> Tyche: tho its not needed to compile my own kernel, I like to try to compile my first kernel or this machine, but my first attempt was a big failier. kernel panic. I would like peak some elses .config file
[08:31] <Tyche> bob2: not sure will have to find that out. It is an IBM laptop with centrino.
[08:31] <|trey|> magneto, apt can handle source too  :/
[08:31] <magneto> i know but i dont use it for that
[08:31] <Tyche> xukun: Gotcha...cannot help there...sorry.
[08:31] <bob2> Tyche: if it's centrino then you need the ipw2100 or 2200 module, which will be loaded automatically
[08:31] <bob2> Tyche: all you need to do is set the essid and get an IP
[08:31] <magneto> if i wanna have to compile a bunch of stuff id use slack or gentoo
[08:32] <|trey|> magneto, why not? you are used to dealing with source due to Gentoo... if you don't like a compiled package... compile it yourself.
[08:33] <|trey|> magneto, thats kinda closed minded "if I want to compile stuff... I'll use another distro"... apt/ubuntu/debian provide the means in a clean way already...
[08:33] <magneto> trey: then the only practical advantage i personally see in using debian/ubuntu is gone
[08:33] <|trey|> magneto, then you don't know enough about the distro... and you should learn.
[08:34] <bob2> anyway, this is kinda off-topic
[08:34] <Tyche> bob2: When I installed it realized there was eth0 and eth1, but when the install is complete and I go into 'Network Settings' it only has eth0.
[08:34] <bob2> Tyche: 'network settings'? the gnome thing?
[08:35] <magneto> trey: personally as in opinionated - precompiled package availability is the only reason i stayed with ubuntu
[08:35] <Tyche> bob2: Computer > System Configuration > Networking
[08:35] <Tyche> bob2: Someplace else I should check?
[08:36] <bob2> Tyche: I'd just edit /etc/network/interfaces
[08:36] <|trey|> magneto, every one of those packages are available in source form also... hence deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list  :/
[08:36] <emanuelez> hello *
[08:36] <emanuelez> this is my first boot in ubuntu
[08:36] <emanuelez> any suggestion??
[08:37] <|trey|> emanuelez, click stuff?
[08:37] <magneto> trey: you dont seem to listen- if i want to compile large apps like gnome from source ill use gentoo lol  deb-src oh really wow never seen that - cmon man
[08:37] <magneto> anyway im out
[08:37] <Simira> emanuelez: test reboot?
[08:37] <Asako> I think I'm going back to the real Debian
[08:37] <Tyche> bob2: okay, I am in there now.
[08:37] <Asako> I can't even burn cds now
[08:37] <xukun> bob2: in your early days of linux was it always easy for you to compile your own kernels?
[08:37] <emanuelez> what about upgrading software? does apt work just like in debian? sources.list and so on...
[08:38] <Tyche> bob2: Not exactly sure what to be doing the primary network device is set to auto eth0.
[08:38] <mmc_> installing xine-lib in ubuntu
[08:39] <bob2> xukun: no
[08:39] <RuffianSoldier> Ubuntu and Win2k are the only 2 OSs on my 4 OS machine that plays DVDs correctly
[08:40] <Agrajag> your other 2 OSes can't run VLC?
[08:40] <RuffianSoldier> VLC?
[08:40] <RuffianSoldier> I have BeatrIX and SUSE 9.1 on this machine also
[08:40] <Agrajag> videolan client, a media player that's been ported to everything
[08:40] <Agrajag> oh
[08:41] <Agrajag> odd that they should have trouble
[08:41] <RuffianSoldier> well - getting teh correct libs in SUSE will be a pain - and Bea wont play most of my DVDs
[08:42] <xukun> bob2: so just keep trying?
[08:42] <Tyche> anyone know how I can find essid
[08:42] <bob2> xukun: hmm, yeah
[08:43] <Asako> ok, now my sound doesn't work
[08:43] <bob2> Tyche: ask whoever is running your AP
[08:43] <bob2> xukun: well, you shouldn't really ever need to do it
[08:43] <Tyche> Okay, so it is per network. Is there an app that will view the available wireless networks?
[08:43] <bob2> 'iwconfig eth01 scanning'
[08:44] <bob2> er, eth1
[08:44] <unperson> I'm I correct that the CD player installed by default in Warty has no random (aka shuffle) mode?
[08:45] <xukun> bob2: iwlist?
[08:45] <Tyche> bob2: thank you much. I will try to connect when I get home.
[08:45] <RuffianSoldier> On SUSE and Ubuntu my net is set up as eth1 cuz I have a PCI Ethernet card that I dont use thats installed - I use onboard LAN
[08:45] <scizzo> I think I know what was covering the sound before
[08:45] <xukun> iwscanning eth0 scanning!
[08:46] <xukun> iwlist eth0 scanning!
[08:46] <scizzo> The usb webcam was doing everything and that would be the cause
[08:46] <emanuelez> any hint to make my ati radeon have 3d acceleration?
[08:47] <mjr> which radeon?
[08:47] <tsw> why are there no mp3 modules for gnome rhythmbox?
[08:47] <bobby8> When i run this from the CLI "tc qdisc add dev ppp0 root handle 1: htb default 15" it works, but when i run the exact same command from a bash script i get the following error "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument". Why?
[08:47] <Agrajag> tsw: you need to install it yourself
[08:47] <mjr> tsw, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:47] <tsw> Agrajag: tried to search for it, but couldnt find
[08:47] <emanuelez> mjr, 9600
[08:47] <Agrajag> tsw: check that link mjr pasted
[08:47] <tsw> mjr: I thought something like that
[08:48] <Agrajag> it'll tell you what you need to do
[08:48] <mjr> emanuelez, righto, no specs and therefore no free drivers for that, you'll have to install ati's proprietary frglx drivers
[08:48] <tsw> wild quess there is a apt source for it but its disabled by default :)
[08:48] <wiley> anybody know how to set up odbc datasource in OO?
[08:48] <scizzo> tsw: read
[08:48] <emanuelez> mjr, no apt-get uh?
[08:49] <mjr> emanuelez, don't know really, might be in restricted for all I know
[08:49] <emanuelez> mjr, i see... thx
[08:49] <farruinn> ubhuti: binarydriver emanuelez
[08:49] <ubhuti> farruinn: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:49] <farruinn> arg
[08:50] <farruinn> ubhuti binarydriver
[08:50] <ubhuti> methinks binarydriverhowto is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:50] <farruinn> take a look at that emanuelez
[08:50] <mjr> yeah, seems helpful
[08:50] <xukun> bob2: do you mean as long as something like ubuntu is out there no one needs to compile his or her own kernel?
[08:50] <emanuelez> thx a lot.. i'll take a look now
[08:50] <anGerHoOd> hi here
[08:51] <anGerHoOd> i ve a problem when i try to update my ubuntu
[08:52] <anGerHoOd> Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.138), connection timed out
[08:52] <emanuelez> sources.list... should i enable universe and restricted?
[08:53] <farruinn> restricted is already enabled
[08:53] <xukun> anGerHoOd: no problems here!
[08:53] <anGerHoOd> :/
[08:54] <anGerHoOd> i'm the only one in the world
[08:54] <anGerHoOd> lol
[08:54] <anGerHoOd> :|
[08:54] <slicslak> i need to remotely admin a ubuntu box.  is there something similar to KDE's Desktop Sharing built in?  yes, i can ssh, but i need to show the end user a few things.
[08:54] <bash> it's there a programs for ftp client on X11, that can pause uploads, etc
[08:54] <farruinn> emanuelez: you have to enable multiverse, but I don't think it looks like you _have_ to enable universe
[08:55] <slicslak> bash, gftp used to be really popular.  these days most ppl use the file manager built into theyir window manager
[08:55] <Tyche> Others use X-Chat?
[08:55] <Tyche> Is there a way to turn off the messages of people coming and going, etc?
[08:56] <farruinn> emanuelez: n/m that, I was looking at the wrong thing
[08:57] <emanuelez> farruinn, i see :) thx
[08:57] <piyr> Tyche: maybe Preferences->Chatting->General->Hide join/part messages
[08:58] <kerberos> hola
[08:58] <emanuelez> downloading k7 kernel now... i guess it's the right one for and amd64 running a 32 bit kernel...
[08:58] <Tyche> piyr: Oh, thank you. I need to open my eyes a little more. I was in there even.
[09:01] <anGerHoOd> is it possible to be banned from the ftp of ubuntu ?
[09:03] <ChibiFS> http://studiochibico.com/Xfce-dusk.tar.gz Dusk 2! Save your eyes from ouchey text D:!
[09:09] <MicroDan> is it a good idea to use the official debian repositories with ubuntu?
[09:09] <MicroDan> because ubuntu doesn't ahve the package I need
[09:09] <mjr> it's not
[09:09] <MicroDan> what would happen?
[09:10] <linux_mafia> MicroDan, nothing, if its not a core piece of the os, and you keep aware that you have a "foreign" peice of software on your box its fine
[09:11] <kerberos> alguie sabe com copiar dvd????????????
[09:11] <MicroDan> will apt-get upgrade-all work without breaking everything on ubuntu?
[09:11] <MicroDan> if I don't use debian
[09:12] <linux_mafia> MicroDan, it definately wont work, because upgrade-all does not exist as a command
[09:12] <MicroDan> oops
[09:12] <ChibiFS> Haha :P
[09:12] <adamw_> Just installed Ubuntu (Warty) and having trouble getting sound to work.  Can anyone help?
[09:13] <MicroDan> there was this thing in synaptic to upgrade everything
[09:13] <MicroDan> will that break if I use it
[09:13] <MicroDan> ?
[09:13] <ChibiFS> Microdan - It's Possible to do it, you'll just have a mixed system from then on.
[09:13] <gfg> no MicroDan
[09:13] <ChibiFS> Try not to upgrade anything from it. :P
[09:13] <xukun> after dist-upgrading hoary would that mean I have xorg or do I need to do some more configuration?
[09:13] <adamw_> MMessage says no Mixer elements or devices found
[09:13] <MicroDan> oh, dist-upgrade, that's what I meant
[09:13] <linux_mafia> dist-upgrading to hoary?
[09:14] <skeasor> bad idea
[09:14] <ChibiFS> xukun - Yes, you need to edit the keyboard driver from keyboard to kbd
[09:14] <ChibiFS> That's it, though.
[09:14] <MicroDan> gfg: that's good; on my last system, it broke after I did dist-upgrade by accident so I had to install ubuntu
[09:14] <linux_mafia> ChibiFS, really? i didnt
[09:15] <ChibiFS> Well, they might have changed that in xorg 6.8.1 or something, but 6.8.0 required it.
[09:15] <ChibiFS> Just want him to be safe.
[09:16] <adamw_> Audio problems, can anyone help?
[09:16] <xukun> ChibiFS: edit what? xorg.config( Driver          "keyboard")?
[09:16] <skeasor> adamw_ whats the prob?
[09:17] <MicroDan> where coudl I find the official debian sources for packages?
[09:17] <adamw_> skeasor, Volume control is saying there are no mixer elements.
[09:18] <ChibiFS> Yes, xukun, but don't change it unless it gives you trouble.
[09:18] <adamw_> skeasor, I am on a Dell Latitude with the 82801CA Audio Controller
[09:18] <techn9ne> how can I make nautilus show a 2 column file selector tree like windows explorer/konqueror.. is it possible?
[09:19] <Agrajag> nautilus --browser --no-desktop
[09:20] <techn9ne> that sorta works but i want a directory tree on left
[09:20] <Agrajag> huh
[09:20] <Agrajag> isn't there one?
[09:20] <techn9ne> no
[09:20] <Agrajag> what is there?
[09:20] <Agrajag> you do have a left panel, right?
[09:20] <techn9ne> info box w/ a big icon and name of current folder
[09:20] <adamw_> skeasor, Any ideas?
[09:20] <Agrajag> and it says "Information" with a little arrow pointing down?
[09:21] <Agrajag> click on that
[09:21] <Agrajag> and choose "Tree"
[09:21] <xukun> adamw_: then cat /proc/asound/cards does not say anything?
[09:21] <techn9ne> oh ok thanks. can i make it start like that w/ the tree?
[09:21] <Agrajag> it will next time you run nautilus the way I showed you
[09:21] <techn9ne> cool thanks
[09:22] <Agrajag> or you can go into file management prefs and turn off spatial browsing
[09:22] <adamw_> No asound directory in /proc
[09:22] <techn9ne> that works great. thanks.
[09:23] <_cds> how come It tries to load lvmcfg-utils, then I get a warning saying it's entering low memory mode, then goes back to loading lvmcfg, into this loop, on install?
[09:24] <techn9ne> how long has ubuntu been around?
[09:24] <techn9ne> is this the the first release (the current one)
[09:25] <xukun> adamw_: "snd_intel8x0" I think this is the module you need for  82801CA Audio Controller but I,m not sure
[09:26] <Riddell> techn9ne: yes, this is the first release, development plans started about 10 months ago
[09:27] <techn9ne> ive been using diff. linux distros for a while. most recently suse 9.2. ubuntu by far is the best.
[09:27] <techn9ne> things work much better than suse 9.2. less errors. less problems. less bs.
[09:27] <xukun> adamw_: what does lspci say about the Multimedia audio controller?
[09:28] <s0cks> ogra : !
[09:28] <adamw_> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[09:28] <adamw_> module is loaded in kernel
[09:29] <_cds> what does "module hid not found" mean?
[09:30] <xukun> adamw_: which module whould that be?
[09:31] <adamw_> snd_intel8x0, snd_intel8x0m
[09:31] <RuffianSoldier> hey zenwhen
[09:32] <adamw_> I'm gonna reboot real quick to see if anything changes... brb
[09:32] <_cds> can nobody help me?
[09:33] <emoxer> hey.
[09:33] <emoxer> anyone know how to boot ubuntu on hd from the cd?
[09:34] <emoxer> grub gave me error #'s 15 & 17
[09:34] <zAo^> Did you check the config?
[09:34] <emoxer> dude grub totally messed up my mbr
[09:35] <emoxer> i had to reinstall windows and im trying to get ubuntu back up, but i dont want to install grub or lilo, i'd rather just boot it through the cd
[09:36] <emoxer> you there?
[09:38] <zAo^> does anyone know a Linux-PDA?
[09:38] <techn9ne> next version of palm os is gonna use linux
[09:39] <adamw> Audio still not working after reboot
[09:39] <kent> emoxer, what do you meen with messed up your mbr?
[09:40] <emoxer> umm, it stopped working
[09:40] <emoxer> i couldnt get into windows
[09:40] <emoxer> or ubuntu
[09:40] <zAo^> emoxer, did you change some parameters?
[09:40] <xukun> adamw: did you use oss and not alsa?
[09:40] <emoxer> nah.
[09:40] <emoxer> it was basically a new install
[09:40] <emoxer> all i had done was install wine and xmms
[09:40] <emoxer> nothing big
[09:41] <jpvcx> zAo^: Sharp has a Linux pda.
[09:41] <zAo^> thnx jpvcx
[09:41] <emoxer> you wouldnt happen to know how to boot up the kernel to finish installing ubuntu
[09:42] <emoxer> because now my cd is saying grub or lilo can not install
[09:42] <emoxer> i check it's integrity and it said it's valid
[09:42] <emoxer> but why would it install grub or lilo properly?
[09:42] <emoxer> =/
[09:42] <emoxer> wouldnt*
[09:45] <kent> is it possible to use gnomemeeting as a way of talking to a person with a webcam who uses windows? Im thinking of buying a webcam, and gnomemeeting seems nice, but i want it to work with some kind of windows-client.
[09:45] <BockBilbo> kent it is
[09:45] <BockBilbo> he must use windows netmeeting
[09:45] <RuffianSoldier> Someone talking about Windows in here?  Daniels - ban!
[09:45] <RuffianSoldier> jk
[09:45] <BockBilbo> both use the same protocol
[09:46] <balthus1980> hello all!
[09:46] <BockBilbo> hd3 or smthing like that i think
[09:46] <Simira> shut up, RuffianSoldier
[09:46] <RuffianSoldier> :-(
[09:47] <emoxer> does anyone know how to install ubuntu without installing lilo or grub?
[09:47] <Simira> kent, BockBilbo: it's protocol h323. I'm working on it just now. Trying windows msn at the moment.
[09:47] <balthus1980> quick questio...i am a total linux noob sorry in advance...can i burn the iso i download to a dvd-rw?
[09:47] <balthus1980> and still use it properly?
[09:47] <BockBilbo> simira, windows msn's webcam tool uses h323 too??
[09:48] <Simira> BockBilbo: not sure, I'm not using one
[09:48] <BockBilbo> ohh ok...
[09:48] <BockBilbo> well..
[09:48] <_cds> nobody?
[09:48] <BockBilbo> :s
[09:48] <BockBilbo> my wifi card isnt working
[09:48] <emoxer> :[
[09:48] <BockBilbo> :'(
[09:49] <BockBilbo> its a new computer.. and already broken
[09:49] <BockBilbo> :(
[09:49] <tsw> couldnt get apm or acpi working.. says kernel doesnt have apm or acpi installed
[09:50] <kent> Simira, using gnomemeeting, i cant talk to some one using msn, right? I have this friend in brazil, and want to be able to talk to her with a webcam and she uses windows.  But ok, i will figure out how this netmeeting works in windows.
[09:50] <BockBilbo> you cannot kent
[09:50] <BockBilbo> tell him to use netmeeting
[09:50] <BockBilbo> c:\Program Files\Netmeeting i think
[09:50] <Simira> kent: netmeeting should work, except in WinXP
[09:50] <BockBilbo> c:\Program Files\Netmeeting\conf.exe
[09:50] <BockBilbo> Simira, it does on XP too
[09:50] <balthus1980> what is the best faq or sticky for a noob like myself?
[09:51] <BockBilbo> balthus visit the wiki;)
[09:51] <emoxer> does anyone have experience with mepis?
[09:51] <kent> simira, BockBilbo,  and running this conf.exe is enough to start netmeeting in XP?
[09:52] <jpvcx> emoxer: well you could install grub/lilo to the root partition off your ubuntu install, then use something like GAG or ntloader to boot from it.
[09:52] <Simira> BockBilbo: refuses to install with me
[09:52] <BockBilbo> yes
[09:52] <emoxer> sorry, i cant install either period
[09:52] <emoxer> my cd's messed up or something i don't know the problem.
[09:53] <BockBilbo> Simira what refuses to install?
[09:53] <Simira> _cds: It might help if you state your problem
[09:53] <Simira> BockBilbo: netmeeting
[09:54] <Simira> on XP
[09:54] <BockBilbo> mmm
[09:54] <_cds> simira: _cds> how come It tries to load lvmcfg-utils, then I get a warning saying it's entering low memory mode, then goes back to loading lvmcfg, into this loop, on install?
[09:54] <BockBilbo> it works for me.. perhaps it is installed by default
[09:54] <Simira> BockBilbo: which version, then?Pro?
[09:55] <BockBilbo> hom
[09:55] <BockBilbo> home
[09:55] <emoxer> my problem is when i choose to install without grub or lilo it doesnt want to continue the installation process, how can i get it to start the second part of the installation?
[09:55] <emoxer> which starts after a reboot
[09:57] <xukun> adamw: any luck?
[09:57] <wasabi_> Does ubuntu automatically update the hostname in /etc/hosts when the IP changes?
[09:58] <_cds> simira: no idea, than?
[09:58] <Simira> _cds: not me.
[09:58] <Riddell> wasabi_: no
[09:58] <_cds> does anyone?
[09:59] <unperson> Sorry, I asked this earlier, but then I had to run out:
[09:59] <unperson> I'm I correct that the CD player installed by default in Warty has no random (aka shuffle) mode?
[09:59] <wasabi_> Riddell: so... uh how does it work with dhcp?
[09:59] <_cds> starting to wonder how good ubuntu is, if it can't get past the first stage of installation...
[09:59] <Riddell> wasabi_: how does what work?
[09:59] <wasabi_> Riddell: the name resolution
[10:00] <Riddell> wasabi_: DNS
[10:00] <trukulo> hi
[10:00] <wasabi_> Oh. So it just doesn't bother.
[10:01] <Riddell> wasabi_: /etc/hosts is from the days before DNS, these days it's just used to keep the localhost IP address to ensure that always works
[10:01] <wasabi_> Riddell: not everybody has their own personal dns server.
[10:02] <wasabi_> so, unless /etc/hosts is up to date, any software trying to find the IP of the hostname will fail.
[10:09] <JStrike> sudo apt-get install gnome-devel gives me the following error
[10:09] <JStrike> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:09] <JStrike>   gnome-devel: Depends: gnome-core-devel (= 62) but it is not going to be installed
[10:12] <emoxer> anyone know where i can download ubuntu
[10:13] <trukulo> ubuntulinux.org
[10:13] <emoxer> yeah, but its slow ther
[10:13] <emoxer> e
[10:13] <trukulo> JStrike, are you using warty or hoary
[10:13] <farruinn> try a different mirror
[10:13] <mjr> try the torrent
[10:13] <emoxer> ive tried the torrent
[10:13] <emoxer> wouldnt even download
[10:13] <emoxer> lol
[10:14] <eric> zdar je tu nejaky cechoslovak ?
[10:15] <Tyche> I'm having an issue with sound...where is the best place to start troubleshooting?
[10:15] <Tyche> It appears that it is there when I go into Device Manager.
[10:17] <pdaoust> hey, folks, is there any way to find out the exact config for the kernel and modules in the stock Warty distro?
[10:17] <RuffianSoldier> always is
[10:18] <pdaoust> RuffianSoldier: was that directed to me?
[10:18] <Tyche> Postfix configuration? Where is the best place to go about that?
[10:18] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[10:19] <pdaoust> Tyche: I believe that if you search around for a main.cf file, there is a copy of that file (called main.cf.default or something) will give you a play-by-play of a lot of handy configuration options. Otherwise, I find the Postfix Internet documentation really useful; it's helped me get out of a few pickles
[10:19] <pdaoust> RuffianSoldier: where can I find it? do I just go to /usr/src/linux?
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> maybe
[10:20] <pdaoust> :/
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> im not sure
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> where
[10:20] <pdaoust> heh
[10:20] <_cds> what does module hid not found mean on the install?
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> but I know it can be done
[10:20] <JStrike> trukulo : Hoary
[10:20] <Simira> kent: NetMeeting works out fine
[10:20] <pdaoust> _cds: it means something screwy
[10:20] <_cds> pdaoust: screwly like what?
[10:20] <_cds> s/screwly/screwy
[10:20] <pdaoust> _cds: probably your CD is borked? hid is a rather important kernel module that handles USB mice and keyboards.
[10:20] <trukulo> JStrike, so, you're alone, send a bug
[10:21] <JStrike> trukulo : Ok
[10:23] <pdaoust> RuffianSoldier: found it; Ubuntu keeps it at /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386
[10:23] <pdaoust> (for those of us with that kernel)
[10:24] <_cds> pdaoust: seems to be ok with another CD :S
[10:24] <_cds> no, wait, I lie
[10:24] <_cds> it does it at lv,-cfy utils
[10:24] <_cds> lvm-cfg utils, even
[10:25] <_cds> anyway I can fix this?
[10:25] <pdaoust> _cds: gosh, I haven't even encountered a problem like that.
[10:25] <_cds> because debian is crap to admin and I want a distro that works in low memory..
[10:25] <pdaoust> and it can't even find the file?
[10:26] <_cds> thats what it's saying
[10:26] <_cds> "FATAL: Module hid not found"
[10:26] <pdaoust> _cds: crazy
[10:26] <pdaoust> does a liveCD work?
[10:26] <pdaoust> does the same (supposedly broken) CD work in another computer (if you have another one you can try)?
[10:26] <_cds> umm. don't really have one I want to wipe, no
[10:27] <_cds> i'll try it on my server and see if it gets past that point...
[10:27] <pdaoust> _cds: man, I wish I could help you; this is out of my league
[10:28] <farruinn> _cds: do you get the error on boot or when installing?
[10:28] <_cds> when installing
[10:29] <_cds> whats lvmcfg-utils?
[10:29] <pdaoust> farruinn: do you mean when booting the install CD or when booting the newly-installed system?
[10:29] <farruinn> booting the cd
[10:29] <pdaoust> mm
[10:29] <pdaoust> yeah, that would make all the difference
[10:30] <epotash> anyone have any information on how to set up a server to do a net install
[10:31] <farruinn> epotash: have you searched the Debian doc at all?
[10:31] <farruinn> that's where I would start
[10:32] <epotash> im looking through some of it now
[10:32] <epotash> unfortunately, my other machine is xp
[10:33] <UbuntuNoSaint> hello, Guys! Could anyone help me with the error "temporary failure in name resolution" when my ubuntu is booting, trying to syncronize the clock?
[10:33] <_cds> pdaoust/farruinn: will it have anything to do with the fact it's doing it in low memory mode?
[10:34] <pdaoust> UbuntuNoSaint: hmmmmmmmmm..... possibly, one sec
[10:34] <UbuntuNoSaint> It is pretty sad, I have to go to gnome network tool and deactivate and activate again my eth0 and eth1, and
[10:34] <UbuntuNoSaint> after that everything is normally back.
[10:34] <UbuntuNoSaint> Sounds pretty weird. :-(
[10:35] <_cds> pdaoust/farruinn: it works in my server.. just not my laptop it seems
[10:35] <pdaoust> UbuntoNoSaint: whoa, sounds like more than just a time sync problem; I wonder if your computer isn't getting a DHCP lease at startup?
[10:35] <pdaoust> _cds: that's weird weird
[10:35] <epotash> so if i do a debian net install
[10:35] <epotash> what do i need to move to ubuntu?
[10:35] <UbuntuNoSaint> p-daoust: I'm not on a DHCP network...
[10:35] <epotash> change the apt sources, and just do upgrade?
[10:35] <_cds> anyone know where I can go for more support?
[10:35] <farruinn> epotash, if you're talking about doing a netinstall of debian then upgrading to ubuntu?
[10:35] <farruinn> epotash: if so that's exactly right
[10:36] <epotash> i think that is the easiest way
[10:36] <epotash> will it install everything?
[10:36] <UbuntuNoSaint> pdaoust: I think I'm doing something stupid, cause after I reactivate it on gnome network tool everything is back to normal..
[10:36] <epotash> like im thinking i will just do a minimal deb install, and then upgrade, will i need to install ubuntu desktop (gnome) separately?
[10:36] <UbuntuNoSaint> googling didn't help me...
[10:36] <farruinn> epotash: that's exactly what I was going to suggest =)
[10:37] <epotash> cool
[10:37] <epotash> where can i get a sources file for ubuntu
[10:37] <UbuntuNoSaint> anyone? :-)
[10:37] <epotash> im guessing theres one i can just use "wget" to download? or do i have to enter manually
[10:38] <farruinn> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge/
[10:38] <epotash> ahhh, thank you
[10:38] <_cds> where can I go for support, then?
[10:39] <farruinn> epotash: you might even do a woody net install, that way you're guaranteed that there's nothing in Debian that's newer in Ubuntu =)
[10:39] <farruinn> definitely wouldn't do sid
[10:39] <UbuntuNoSaint> tip: I have two eths on my machine: eth0 and eth1, but both are well configured (I copied its configuration from another functional Debian install of mine).
[10:40] <UbuntuNoSaint> That's the only remaining thing stopping me from using Ubuntu on a daily basis at home. ;-)
[10:44] <farruinn> _cds: is "low memory mode" a bios setting?
[10:44] <farruinn> if so I would try turning that off
[10:45] <tck> that ubuntuguide is nice
[10:45] <tck> alot of effort gone into it :)
[10:45] <epotash> why did u say not to do sid?
[10:45] <_cds> farruim: no, it's what the installer does cos my laptop doesn't have much RAM
[10:45] <farruinn> epotash: there are many packages in sid that are at a higher version than they are in ubuntu
[10:45] <epotash> oh
[10:46] <epotash> what is better about ubuntu than sid?
[10:46] <farruinn> epotash: I like warty because it's frozen and stable
[10:46] <farruinn> I can put up with a bit of staleness for that
[10:46] <epotash> does sid have gnome 2.8?
[10:46] <farruinn> no idea
[10:46] <murf> Hi! why the first release has number 4.10 ? instead of 1.0 ?
[10:47] <farruinn> date of release, october 4
[10:47] <farruinn> or... no, october 2004
[10:47] <farruinn> so whatever's released in 2005 will be 5.*
[10:48] <xhoy> mm
[10:48] <xhoy> nice way to number elases ;-)
[10:48] <calc> 5.04
[10:48] <xhoy> and in 2010? it wil be 0.?
[10:48] <xhoy> or 10.?
[10:48] <calc> 10.x
[10:48] <_cds> farriunn?
[10:48] <epotash> farruinn: which version should i upgrade to?
[10:49] <epotash> 4.10?
[10:49] <xhoy> and 3010 wil be 3010?
[10:49] <calc> and in year 3000 it would be 1010.x ;)
[10:49] <epotash> or warty? or are they different
[10:49] <calc> er 3010
[10:49] <xhoy> calc: no
[10:49] <xhoy> 1010 ;-)
[10:49] <JStrike> SOB: Hunting down all the gnome-dev files is going to be hell
[10:49] <xhoy> year - 2000
[10:49] <xhoy> 2004-2000=4.x
[10:49] <Cube-ness> hmnm.. using hoary here.. kernel 2.6.9 panics when trying to start the hotplug stuff at boot.. is this a know issue?
[10:50] <farruinn> epotash: warty is the stable, frozen branch, hoary is the unstable devel branch
[10:50] <Cube-ness> known
[10:50] <_cds> farruinn: is it worth me downloading hoary to see if that likes my lappy?
[10:51] <mAIJK> When Im going to install an package from synaptic I cant find anything. What should I do to find the packages ? ;)
[10:51] <farruinn> _cds, I can't really say - I've never installed hoary and I dont have a laptop =(
[10:51] <farruinn> mAIJK, have you tried the search feature?
[10:51] <JStrike> There doesn't seem to be a libnautilus2-dev package
[10:52] <mAIJK> I don't find anything when Im search
[10:52] <farruinn> ubhuti supportedhardware
[10:52] <ubhuti> farruinn: I give up, what is it?
[10:52] <RomanK> Hi all!
[10:52] <farruinn> damn you ubhuti
[10:52] <farruinn> ubhuti supported hardware
[10:52] <ubhuti> Don't know if your hardware is supported?  Find out at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSuport
[10:52] <RomanK> Anyone in here using gnome-volume-manager+pmount? If you plug in and out a usb-stick several times... does it create multiple /media/foobar-n on your machines, too?
[10:53] <_cds> that bot's wrong..
[10:54] <RomanK> i'm not using ubuntu, btw, but debian sid... but since this gvm+pmount-stuff originates from ubuntu, i thought i'd ask in here ;)
[10:54] <mAIJK> It's something u have to do to find packages in synaptics?
[10:54] <farruinn> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport
[10:54] <farruinn> sorry
[10:54] <omalley> was wondering about that
[10:54] <farruinn> mAIJK, what are you looking for?
[10:55] <mAIJK> several packages
[10:55] <siretart> hi folks
[10:55] <mAIJK> kopete, fluxbox and so on
[10:55] <mAIJK> but i can't find anything when I search
[10:55] <AMIGrAve> i just installed ubuntu for the fist time, server X failed to start with nv module, i used vesa to get X working. Is there a package that will install nvidia's driver ?
[10:55] <RuffianSoldier> kopete blowspete
[10:56] <murf> farruinn: "22:45 < farruinn> or... no, october 2004" so it is pretty new distribution ....
[10:56] <siretart> did anybody around try netapplet from gnome? I don't want to break my warty for nothing..
[10:56] <farruinn> mAIJK: make sure you select your search in the side pane
[10:57] <AMIGrAve> is it nvidia-kernel-common ?
[10:57] <siretart> AMIGrAve: what nvidia card do you have?
[10:57] <mAIJK> farruinn side "pane" ?
[10:58] <farruinn> mAIJK, on the left there is a list of all of your previous searches.  When you click on them you get the results.
[10:58] <AMIGrAve> siretart, Geforce 6600GT
[10:58] <epotash> farruinn, do i only need to change that one thing in apt sources?
[10:58] <tritium> Wow, I just used DBAN to wipe my old laptop hard drive.  Now, I can't boot from CD unless I put in my other hard drive.
[10:58] <mAIJK> I don't get any results.
[10:58] <tritium> Even the BIOS settings differ, depending on which drive i have in the laptop.
[10:58] <siretart> AMIGrAve: oh, I think you have to use the binary drivers. The install procedure is described here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:58] <tritium> One case sees the fixed optical disk installed, the other doesn't.
[10:59] <farruinn> epotash: if you have deb-src lines change those too
[10:59] <AMIGrAve> siretart, thanks
[10:59] <farruinn> mAIJK: are you on a ppc?
[10:59] <tritium> Is there a way to boot the ubuntu Live CD from floppy or something else, since it can't boot from CD drive?
[10:59] <mAIJK> laptop-user
[10:59] <AMIGrAve> BTW: I choosed belgian keyworkd at install but X-server was installed with XkbdLayout = "us"
[11:00] <farruinn> mAIJK: powerbook or ibook perhaps?
[11:00] <AMIGrAve> and I also got this message : "dpkg warning: architecture 'amd64' is not in remapping table"
[11:01] <mAIJK> no
[11:02] <farruinn> mAIJK, you're not searching for more than one thing at once are you?
[11:02] <mAIJK> no
[11:02] <tritium> Anyone know how I can boot the LiveCD without having a bootable CD?  floppy?  from installed ubuntu partition?
[11:02] <farruinn> mAIJK: what if you apt-cache search <package> at the command line?
[11:02] <mAIJK> I remember that the last time I used ubuntu I had the same problem, didn't get any search result.. but I clicked some option and then it worked
[11:03] <farruinn> huh
[11:03] <farruinn> maybe you need to hit reload
[11:03] <mAIJK> tried that of course
[11:03] <farruinn> does apt-cache search show you anything?
[11:04] <mAIJK> It works now
[11:04] <mAIJK> Can't you run fluxbox @ ubuntuu?
[11:04] <farruinn> of course
[11:05] <mAIJK> Should I find it @ Synaptic?
[11:05] <Synek> yup
[11:05] <mAIJK> I can't find kopete @ synaptic :/
[11:05] <mAIJK> I dont find fluxbox :/
[11:06] <mAIJK> I tried to search at samba, I found five things, but when I search at fluxbox or kopete I find nothing
[11:06] <epotash> are there things i can do to speed up my boot time?
[11:06] <epotash> i havent installed yet (downloading packages now), but just from experience with debian
[11:07] <Synek> mAIJK: i believe you have to uncomment universe in sources.list
[11:07] <farruinn> epotash, this is only applicable to hoary, but they're working on 30 second boots
[11:08] <mAIJK> Synek Where do I find sources.list?
[11:08] <farruinn> maybe fluxbox is only in hoary because I'm not finding it either
[11:08] <farruinn> ubhuti enable universe
[11:08] <ubhuti> To enable universe run `sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list' and uncomment the universe lines as indicated.
[11:08] <Synek> farruinn: just as ubhuti said
[11:08] <Synek> :)
[11:09] <Synek> after that: sudo apt-get update
[11:09] <farruinn> oy, should tell ubhuti that
[11:10] <_cds> is the fact that my laptop isn't on the ssupported list a bad thing?
[11:10] <farruinn> _cds, not necessarily
[11:10] <farruinn> just means no one has tested it yet
[11:10] <_cds> i see..
[11:10] <_cds> and given my problems, it might not be supported?
[11:10] <_cds> is there anywhere I can ask?
[11:10] <_cds> forum or anything?
[11:11] <farruinn> ubhuti ubuntu-users
[11:11] <ubhuti> it has been said that ubuntu-users is at http://lists.ubuntulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[11:11] <epotash> how do you browse a floppy/
[11:11] <epotash> ?
[11:11] <epotash> just /dev/fd0?
[11:11] <Kosai> You need to mount it first.
[11:11] <dsr> you need to mount it
[11:11] <epotash> how do you do that
[11:11] <Synek> mount /dedia/floppy
[11:12] <Synek> mount /media/floppy
[11:12] <mAIJK> Thanks, It works fine now
[11:12] <epotash> ah
[11:14] <epotash> how easy is it to get a wireless network card working under linux
[11:14] <mAIJK> does someone know how to get an USB WLAN stick to work with ubuntu ???
[11:15] <TgI> hi
[11:15] <Qerub> I just installed Ubuntu on a friend's computer. The installation went fine but during base-config I got some nasty harddrive errors... Something with "DMA timeout, BadCRC", Disabling dma mode with hdparm does the trick, but what reasons can there be for DMA to fail? Windows works fine with DMA enabled on the same machine. I acknowledge this is not Ubuntu specific, but anyway.
[11:16] <capnemo> hello :) brand new with ubuntu :)
[11:17] <capnemo> but a bit confused to see no dialog to set the root password !
[11:17] <capnemo> at the install phase !
[11:17] <amathis> capnemo: ubuntu uses sudo
[11:17] <amathis> but, if you want a root password, type 'sudo passwd root'
[11:18] <farruinn> capnemo, there was a dialog that said you wouldn't be setting a password
[11:18] <pdaoust> this is weird; can't use my Olympus MAUSB-4W card reader in Ubuntu. Apparently it uses Sandisk SDDR-09 drivers, which of course are compiled into the stock Warty kernel (as modules), but a quick look at /proc/bus/usb/whateverit'scalled
[11:19] <mAIJK> When Im setting up fluxbox I get this error: " Perl: warning: Setting locate failed - perl: warning: please check that your loacale settings and so on ..."
[11:19] <capnemo> amathis, sudo is oki for some applications but it's a bit silly to forget that
[11:19] <marsjays> what does "not authenticated" mean in the "mark additional required changes?" dialog in synaptic?
[11:20] <TgI> I have a question > I am trying to install ubuntu with a cd but the installation says he can`t find my cd-rom drive (but i am booting from that cd-rom:S) Can somebody help me?
[11:20] <farruinn> marsjays, has synaptic been open for a long time?
[11:20] <marsjays> farruinn: nope
[11:20] <Kosai> TgI: How is the CD drive connected?
[11:21] <TgI> Kosai > With a IDE cable
[11:21] <Kosai> Oh.  That's odd.
[11:21] <TgI> Kosai > And the Live CD works fine:S
[11:22] <marsjays> farruinn: oh, updated my package lists and now it's gone
[11:22] <farruinn> marsjays: huh, that's an odd error for that
[11:23] <marsjays> farruinn: though i got a message that one of my apt-sources .. umm.. wait, i'll check
[11:24] <mathmonk> Hello: I can't get my synaptics cpad to work on ubuntu.  Does anyone know how to make it work ?
[11:24] <marsjays> farruinn: something about signatures that couldn't be verified because public key is not available, GPG error when i update my package lists
[11:24] <farruinn> marsjays: you're running hoary?
[11:24] <marsjays> farruinn: yes
[11:25] <mathmonk> anyone, please ?
[11:25] <TgI> Kosai > do you know an anser for my problem?
[11:25] <capnemo> rhaaa i feel in jail with ubuntu !!!!
[11:26] <marsjays> mathmonk: maybe this http://www.janerob.com/rob/ts5100/cPad/index.shtml can help you (google -> "synaptic cpad linux" -> i'm feeling lucky :)
[11:27] <mathmonk> marsjays: thanks, I will try it out.
[11:27] <JStrike> capnemo : It wasn't forgotten. It was left out on purpose
[11:28] <TgI> Can somebody else help me?
[11:29] <marsjays> mathmonk: um, not sure if that's what you want though.. check out the xfree86-driver-synaptics och xorg-driver-synaptics (depending on which X you run)
[11:29] <farruinn> TgI: does it happen every time you boot?
[11:30] <marsjays> TgI: what kind of cdrom do you have?
[11:30] <TgI> Farruinn > Yes > i have make a keyboard selection and country > then he search for the cd-rom and tell`s me he can`t find that
[11:30] <epotash> if u dont use "
[11:30] <epotash> shutdown"
[11:31] <epotash> do shutdown, does it like lock the harddisk?
[11:31] <emanuelez> hello *
[11:31] <TgI> I have the cd`s from ubuntu
[11:31] <epotash> or make it read only
[11:32] <marsjays> TgI: yes, but your cdrom drive? is it standard IDE or is it SCSI or something else?
[11:32] <TgI> It`s standard ide > The live cd works perfect
[11:32] <marsjays> ok..
[11:33] <TgI> marsjays > but the install cd is a big problem :(
[11:33] <Nexinarus> Hmm when ever i open a JPG with eog (eye of gnome, the picture viewer) it always crashes. no matter what.
[11:33] <Nexinarus> I even reinstalled the package and it still crashes upon opening any picture
[11:34] <Nexinarus> It used to work,
[11:35] <farruinn> Nexinarus: are you in hoary?
[11:35] <mAIJK> Why doesent my programs show in the blackbox menu ?
[11:35] <Nexinarus> im in the other one,
[11:35] <Qerub> mAIJK: aptitude install menu
[11:35] <Nexinarus> warty
[11:37] <TgI> marsjays > are you still there?
[11:37] <fko> hello
[11:38] <marsjays> TgI: yes..
[11:38] <marsjays> TgI: i don't know what might be wrong, my guess is that some driver is missing..
[11:38] <fko> can anyone teache me how to share a connection? i have two nic, one "external" the second "internal"
[11:41] <mAIJK> Qerub: Permission Denied, are you root? (How should I do to log in as root?)
[11:42] <marsjays> mAIJK: sudo aptitude install menu
[11:42] <mAIJK> Ohh, I wrote sudu ;)
[11:42] <marsjays> hehe
[11:43] <epotash> how big should i make my boot partition?
[11:43] <mAIJK> Im kind of new with this ;)
[11:45] <mAIJK> well, I run that aptitude thing, the computer did alot of thing but I don't see any different? ;o
[11:45] <marsjays> epotash: if you're talking about your /boot, i think 50 MB would be enough..
[11:46] <Synek> is seperate /boot partition realy necessary?
[11:46] <marsjays> mAIJK: run update-menu (or something like that) and restart blackbox
[11:46] <marsjays> Synek: no, not really
[11:46] <Nexinarus> epotash, about 32mb
[11:47] <Nexinarus> that worked good for me
[11:47] <Synek> :)
[11:47] <mAIJK> "This Aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers" HAAHHAH ;)
[11:47] <mAIJK> funny
[11:48] <marsjays> Synek: i've been using linux for something like 4-6 years and never had a separate /boot until a few weeks ago (when i btw made it too small, so i can only have two kernels installed at once :-P )
[11:48] <mAIJK> marsjays didn't work, or I wrote wrong
[11:48] <Nexinarus> heh only 2? i would think people only need 1..
[11:49] <marsjays> mAIJK: ok.. umm.. sudo update-menu?
[11:50] <mAIJK> nope
[11:50] <Synek> update-menus
[11:50] <marsjays> Nexinarus: you don't want to know how many i had when i ran debian, before i installed ubuntu :)
[11:50] <mAIJK> YEE!
[11:50] <marsjays> hehe, i was almost right :)
[11:50] <Synek> :)
[11:51] <Synek> tab key is your friend ;)
[11:51] <mAIJK> tab key is your friend?
[11:51] <mAIJK> aah
[11:51] <mAIJK> :P
[11:51] <Synek> ;)
[11:51] <Nexinarus> hah
[11:52] <mAIJK> Do u think fluxbox is the best ?
[11:52] <epotash> whats wrong with gnome
[11:52] <Synek> Hm, well, i usually have 3 kernels: one with all stuff, one i working on and one "testing"
[11:53] <Cube-ness> i like gnome a lot.. i like ROX a lot too
[11:53] <Synek> mAIJK: dunno, best for me, for sure ;)
[11:53] <marsjays> btw, anyone got a creative muvo2? can't get mine to work properly..
[11:53] <marsjays> (mount that is9
[11:53] <capnemo> hum .. to install kde i need to install 434Mb of package ... sounds a bit crazy lol :)
[11:53] <Nexinarus> im rather pissed i cant view images..
[11:53] <Nexinarus> it worked a few weeks ago, and now it doesnt
[11:54] <Nexinarus> ive installed a few things, but hmm
[11:54] <Synek> You ca't?
[11:54] <mAIJK> I just installed Torsmo, how do I activate it?
[11:54] <Synek> s/ca't/can't ?
[11:54] <Riddell> capnemo: that's the whole of KDE, you would be fine with kdelibs and kdebase
[11:55] <Synek> mAIJK: just type 'torso'?
[11:55] <marsjays> Nexinarus: i _think_ my eog was non-working a few days ago, but it works now.. when did you update last?
[11:55] <Nexinarus> 10 minutes ago
[11:55] <marsjays> ok :-/
[11:55] <mAIJK> command not found
[11:55] <Nexinarus> i just updated eog.. nothing else..
[11:56] <Nexinarus> i cant afford to update everything else heh
[11:56] <Nexinarus> 90mb.. ow
[11:56] <farruinn> Nexinarus, does it print anything useful when you open eog from a terminal?
[11:57] <marsjays> Nexinarus: hehe ok.. (/me remembers the good ol' days, apt-get dist-upgrade on a 33k6 modem >X-c )
[11:57] <Nexinarus> heh
[11:58] <Synek> wow
[11:58] <Nexinarus> oh thanks farruinn, it does say alot of errors in the console
[11:58] <Synek> Beat me, on 115 apt-get ugrade is still a horror ;)
[11:58] <farruinn> Nexinarus: you installed the packages it depends on, right?
[11:59] <AndyR> lo ppl
[11:59] <Nexinarus> i use synaptic, it does it auto. ill upload the error log.. im sure the prob is obvious..