[12:00] <AndyR>  anyone managed to get a citrix ica client woring on firefox?
[12:00] <tuppa> hrm
[12:00] <tuppa> has anyone running hoary and upgraded gnome-menus to the latest version?
[12:00] <tuppa> now the Applications menu has gone FUBAR
[12:00] <Nexinarus> heh damnit now ftp prog is crashing arg
[12:01] <AndyR> tuppa, it is a know but i think
[12:01] <farruinn> I thought someone came in here yesterday or something and said that it was working now...
[12:01] <farruinn> well, it was working before, but that it was now the "new ubuntu" menu system and not upstream gnome
[12:02] <Nexinarus> heres the errors i get in the console..
[12:02] <Nexinarus> http://hybd.net/~mms/Temp/eog-errors
[12:03] <tuppa> ok, I guess I forgot to upgrade libgnome-menu0
[12:03] <tuppa> yep, better now
[12:03] <mAIJK> Why cant I run as root @ fluxbox. Try to start syanptics, "Child terminated with 1 status"
[12:03] <sayao> does anyone knows how to make a radeon 9000 IGP work on ubuntu
[12:03] <amathis> --- #ubuntu Banlist: Mon Dec 13 05:14:57 *!*@gnu-debian.user
[12:03] <amathis> that isn't the best idea.. ?
[12:04] <farruinn> mAIJK: try gksudo synaptic from the terminal
[12:05] <mAIJK> ye
[12:06] <farruinn> Nexinarus: maybe try upgrading the libpango stuff
[12:07] <Synek> Huh, time to sleep, good night, then
[12:07] <mAIJK> Bye!
[12:07] <mAIJK> Sleep wel'
[12:07] <mAIJK> l
[12:08] <lagarejo> hi all
[12:10] <Nexinarus> farruinn: i seem to have the latest libpango
[12:10] <Nexinarus> puzzling, ill send a bug report. thanks anyway
[12:11] <capnemo> euh in fact what is the diff between debian and ubuntu except the revision process?
[12:11] <farruinn> Nexinarus: was that the output when trying to open a jpeg?
[12:11] <Nexinarus> free cd's in the mail :)
[12:11] <Nexinarus> no that was when opening just standard oeg..
[12:11] <Nexinarus> maybe is should try opening a jpg in console?
[12:12] <farruinn> Nexinarus: if you file a bug, give the out put from eog foo.jpg
[12:12] <Nexinarus> oh ok
[12:12] <dieselx> in need of help regarding netmos 9835 linux install
[12:13] <dieselx> nebody got ne idea, guideline, etc
[12:13] <farruinn> capnemo: Ubuntu strikes me much more as a "desktop distro"
[12:14] <capnemo> farruinn, ah ... oops wrong choice then lol :)
[12:16] <farruinn> heheh, well I'm not saying that Ubuntu is designed solely for desktop users
[12:16] <farruinn> but Ubuntu makes linux as a desktop more accessible
[12:16] <capnemo> farruinn, yes and it dit it well .. as far as i know for now
[12:16] <farruinn> yes, I'm rather impressed
[12:16] <capnemo> a install process very very fast
[12:17] <farruinn> it helped only having one cd there
[12:17] <techn9ne> i thought the install was really long
[12:18] <capnemo> techn9ne, lol
[12:18] <techn9ne> took me well over an hr.
[12:18] <techn9ne> but that included the updates and stuff
[12:19] <capnemo> yup me too
[12:19] <techn9ne> i dont remember what suse took
[12:19] <techn9ne> but that was 5 cd's and had tons of software
[12:20] <epotash> which packages does apt-get dist-upgrade install?
[12:21] <epotash> specifically, im installing the base system of debian, and then changing the apt sources to ubuntu
[12:21] <techn9ne> why not just do ubuntu?
[12:21] <epotash> because i ahve a laptop with no cd
[12:22] <epotash> and debian has easy net install
[12:22] <Nexinarus> laptop with no cd? damn
[12:22] <epotash> anyway, so im assuming with dist-upgrade it wont install like gnome etc.
[12:22] <epotash> its actually not that bad, 600mhz p3
[12:22] <epotash> 192mb ram, 12gb hard disk
[12:23] <epotash> its a really light thinkpad
[12:23] <epotash> the floppy is external
[12:23] <Pluk> thinkpads rock!
[12:23] <epotash> yeah, i really like them
[12:23] <Pluk> got one too :)
[12:23] <Pluk> thank god a little faster though :P
[12:24] <epotash> im debating whether to get a t42 for college or use this one and build a pc
[12:24] <epotash> a shuttle mini-pc
[12:24] <Pluk> i really recomend it
[12:24] <Pluk> t42 here
[12:24] <epotash> yeah, its pretty sweet
[12:24] <epotash> what specs?
[12:24] <Pluk> http://phpsysinfo.boromir.co-lo.org
[12:25] <Pluk> got it through college
[12:25] <Pluk> wlan pilot project
[12:25] <Pluk> :)
[12:26] <techn9ne> does ubuntu have good wireless support?
[12:26] <epotash> i will likely get that one, 64mb radeon 9600m right?
[12:26] <Pluk> yeah thats right
[12:26] <Pluk> runs HL2 very good :0
[12:26] <Pluk> :)
[12:26] <epotash> thats good to hear
[12:26] <Pluk> wireless support is good in ubuntu
[12:27] <techn9ne> i wanna put my room mate on it but he uses wireless ... i hate wireless
[12:27] <techn9ne> insecure and buggy
[12:27] <Pluk> but it depends if the wlanchip is supported by linux
[12:27] <techn9ne> its a laptop so i dunno
[12:27] <thenuke> I think wireless is not insecure if you secure it :)
[12:27] <marsjays> wireless aye? i've got problems with my 3com wifi adapter (prism54), seems it doesnt load the firmware correctly..
[12:27] <epotash> whats a good pcmcia card to get that will run under linux (ubuntu)
[12:27] <techn9ne> its encrypted but i still dont trust it
[12:28] <Pluk> any wlancard with a prism chip will work
[12:28] <thenuke> yup. I have nothing to hide that much so I would think that someone might still hijack and decrypt something :)
[12:28] <techn9ne> its a laptop so i dunno whats in there
[12:28] <Pluk> but i thought ndiswrapper works great too nowadays
[12:28] <thenuke> because that kind of hijacking could be done anyways, wireless or not
[12:28] <techn9ne> ummm nothing ot hide? like your banking?
[12:29] <techn9ne> wireless just makes it easier
[12:29] <thenuke> there are no one around who even could use my connection somehow when I am connecting to bank
[12:29] <techn9ne> i setup some ladies network she had windows filesharing turned on w/o passwords in a dense neighbourhood w/ wirless and no encryption
[12:29] <thenuke> and I even would believe it would be not so easy
[12:29] <thenuke> in case of banking
[12:29] <techn9ne> w/ shared write access to her important stuff
[12:30] <techn9ne> i was like ummmm... yah you should prob. change some stuff
[12:30] <techn9ne> otherwise your neighbours are gonna be deleting your hd
[12:30] <Pluk> wireless with LEAP and then a VPN tunnel .. prolly secure enough :)
[12:30] <ACID|net> hey, when using the LiveCD how can u save things??? Can u use a USB Pen (FAT) or can u write it to NTFS Windows Partition
[12:30] <epotash> http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/detail.jsp?tab=features&pathtype=purchase&sku=3CRWE154G72
[12:31] <epotash> will that work?
[12:31] <techn9ne> umm cant write to ntfs
[12:31] <techn9ne> fat you can
[12:31] <techn9ne> if you can write to ntfs its buggy
[12:31] <marsjays> epotash: i have that one, there is a working driver, but i can't make it work now (worked when i used debian)
[12:31] <ACID|net> hmmm, so i plug in my usb pen drive - then how do i access it??
[12:31] <Pluk> ive heard that 3com are great with networks but crap with wlan
[12:31] <ACID|net> how do i install drivers?
[12:32] <Pluk> but im not a wireless guru :)
[12:32] <techn9ne> usb drive? i dont think you need drivers
[12:32] <gen> my usb drive auto mounts and everything
[12:32] <marsjays> ACID|net: have you tried just plugging the pendrive into your usb port?
[12:32] <epotash> does ubuntu use lilo or grub?
[12:32] <marsjays> epotash: grub
[12:32] <gen> grub
[12:32] <ACID|net> marsjays: CD is just burning
[12:33] <epotash> i installed debian woody and then am upgrading to ubuntu
[12:33] <marsjays> ACID|net: heh, ok.. however, the usb device should just mount automagically
[12:33] <epotash> debian uses lilo
[12:33] <epotash> is it easy to replace it?
[12:33] <ACID|net> marsjays: I just wanted to check ;) thanks
[12:33] <ACID|net> usb and linux is something i haven't done
[12:34] <gen> acid|net, it should "just work"
[12:34] <techn9ne> linux has good usb support in the kernel
[12:34] <gen> i've had no problems with it
[12:34] <gen> on multiple computers, laptops included
[12:34] <ACID|net> cool, if this live cd works im going to install it on my main pc next week
[12:34] <duncan_> I need help
[12:34] <ACID|net> well dual boot
[12:35] <ACID|net> still unsure about using it on this laptop
[12:35] <gen> the live cd shouldnt be the depending factor for that
[12:35] <ACID|net> if the LiveCD works will the main installation??
[12:35] <gen> just ask duncan_
[12:36] <duncan_> I installed XP then Ubuntu on another partition. But I can't load XP now. I select it but it prints some lines and quits.
[12:36] <duncan_> or freezes
[12:36] <duncan_> I should say
[12:37] <techn9ne> thats what you get for using xp... jk
[12:37] <duncan_> I'm weening myself of xp
[12:38] <duncan_> off
[12:38] <ACID|net> my problem is i know how to do everything in XP quickly, where linux it would take longer
[12:39] <ACID|net> and plus im still unsure with the whole saving data - just need to use it properly
[12:40] <duncan_> so does anybody know what's wrong?
[12:40] <humanWaffle> duncan_: yes, but we cannot hear you.. try rejoining
[12:41] <gen> j to the dub
[12:41] <LeeColleton> How do I configure Mailman so that it accepts mail from exim running with the group "Debian-exim" instead of "daemon"?
[12:41] <techn9ne> i have xp for games
[12:41] <techn9ne> everytihng else linux
[12:42] <gen> i take a shit on xp
[12:42] <techn9ne> and i cant get flash mx to work in wine
[12:42] <tvon|x31> then you say "I don't remember ordering this XP with sausage!"
[12:42] <epotash> can someone tell me the entry for deb-src in their apt sources.list
[12:42] <duncan_> can you hear me now?
[12:42] <gen> good
[12:42] <humanWaffle> duncan_: yews
[12:43] <epotash> please
[12:43] <duncan_> so I can't boot to XP, I just installed Ubuntu. It prints some lines when I select XP.
[12:44] <calc> tvon|x31: hahaha
[12:44] <calc> tvon|x31: saw that last night, that show is fubar ;)
[12:45] <humanWaffle> ubuntu, ugh.. must be a server glitch, try '/cycle' to flush your voice... you are dropping out
[12:45] <humanWaffle> oops
[12:45] <humanWaffle> duncan_, ugh.. must be a server glitch, try '/cycle' to flush your voice... you are dropping out
[12:45] <techn9ne> how do you uninstall something you got w/ apt-get?
[12:45] <humanWaffle> duncan_: I am sorry... just messing with you ^_6
[12:45] <ACID|net> hehe
[12:45] <duncan_> fuck you! are you going to help me or not?
[12:46] <neighborlee> sometimes I get invalid scan frequnecy ( and ive seen it in other distros too but its infrequent ) and wondering how do I fix it ? ;-))
[12:46] <neighborlee> logging/gotta run
[12:46] <amathis> duncan_: hehe
[12:47] <amathis> duncan_: what is problem
[12:47] <amathis> ?
[12:47] <neighborlee> oh sorry btw...its when my monitor goes in  standby of course..anyway...
[12:47] <duncan_> I formatted my HDD put a couple partitions on it. Installed XP, then Ubuntu. Ubuntu works fine. But when I try to boot to XP it prints some lines then freezes
[12:47] <usual> techn9ne, apt-get remove package
[12:48] <usual> Is there a formal way to request a package to be added to a repos?
[12:48] <amathis> duncan_: hrm.. don't use XP
[12:49] <gen> amathis, it's better if you don't talk
[12:49] <escoz> what's the best python ide? I'm starting on python now..
[12:49] <amathis> gen: I get that alot.... hmm
[12:49] <gen> exactly
[12:49] <tranceconscious> HURAY!!!!
[12:49] <tranceconscious> just installed the amd64 distro. i rocks.... it's really fast... neeed some help
[12:50] <tranceconscious> what is the root passwd?
[12:50] <creeperz> hey hey
[12:50] <usual> tranceconscious, the user account you created is the accout password
[12:50] <amathis> tranceconscious: type 'sudo passwd root'
[12:50] <amathis> and put one in
[12:51] <tranceconscious> nice one thanx....
[12:51] <tranceconscious> and something else....
[12:51] <techn9ne> whats the port for pop3?\
[12:51] <usual> 110
[12:51] <creeperz> you can type your registered nick password and it will shot up as stars
[12:51] <creeperz> observe:
[12:51] <creeperz> *******
[12:51] <tvon|x31> calc: yeah it is
[12:51] <creeperz> neat,eh?
[12:51] <gen> i can see it creep, you're owned
[12:52] <creeperz> hm?!
[12:52] <ACID|net> ubuntuforever
[12:52] <creeperz> gen: you cant see it
[12:52] <ACID|net> creeperz: it dontw work
[12:52] <gen> i know
[12:52] <usual> haha
[12:52] <tranceconscious> I chose the maximum resolution of 1280x1024, how can I add the 1600x1200???
[12:52] <usual> tranceconscious, edit the X config
[12:52] <creeperz> ACID|net: it appears as your pw to you
[12:52] <creeperz> but all stars to me
[12:52] <usual> no i saw it
[12:53] <ACID|net> lol
[12:53] <usual> his showed up
[12:53] <gen> i think they may depend on your client
[12:53] <gen> that*
[12:53] <creeperz> nope
[12:53] <creeperz> its all server side
[12:53] <usual> I would like to see the xchat systray plugin added to ubuntu
[12:53] <creeperz> your password doesnt show up
[12:53] <tranceconscious> where do i find the x config... let me remember...... /etc/XConfig??? or something like that?
[12:54] <usual> tranceconscious, depends, if your using warty it's in /etc/X11/XFree86someshit
[12:54] <punkrockguy318> Hmm.. Whenever I play any sort of game, I keep getting error messages about "Tempature above threshhold" and beeps
[12:54] <punkrockguy318> usual, what else would you use?
[12:54] <usual> punkrockguy318, hoary
[12:54] <gen> punk, xorg..
[12:54] <punkrockguy318> yeah i know that
[12:54] <punkrockguy318> i was asking about hoary
[12:55] <usual> hoary uses xorg not xfree86
[12:55] <punkrockguy318> usual, hoary is the devel branch correct?
[12:55] <usual> yes
[12:55] <Yakfisher> hi, can i ask a non ubuntu specific question here ?
[12:55] <usual> unstable
[12:55] <punkrockguy318> good
[12:55] <usual> but software is more current
[12:55] <punkrockguy318> i use warty-backports which keeps me up to date with stuff i care about
[12:55] <usual> like gnome is at 2.9.2 right now i think
[12:55] <punkrockguy318> firefox 1, newest xchat, and newest gaim
[12:55] <punkrockguy318> usual, oh, it's using devel software as well?
[12:55] <gen> punk, no one knows what you're talking about, kepp it on the dl
[12:56] <usual> punkrockguy318, yea
[12:56] <punkrockguy318> gen, what are you talking about?
[12:56] <ACID|net> punkrockguy318: Is it all hoary stuff tho?
[12:56] <gen> i gave it to you, shut up.
[12:56] <punkrockguy318> ACID|net, it's hoary stuff backported to be stable with warty
[12:56] <ACID|net> warty-backports == supported?
[12:56] <ACID|net> punkrockguy318: Cool
[12:56] <punkrockguy318> ACID|net, not officially, but it's tested quite a bit before released
[12:57] <tranceconscious> have another tricky question.....
[12:57] <epotash> i have a system with no window environment
[12:57] <epotash> what should i apt-get?
[12:57] <ACID|net> punkrockguy318: do u set that up like universal?
[12:57] <epotash> gnome-desktop?
[12:57] <usual> the white theme in xchat 2.4.1 sucks ass I switched it back to black
[12:57] <gen> punk, wasnt smart
[12:57] <epotash> will that get everything?
[12:57] <epotash> like xfree96, etc.
[12:57] <epotash> 86
[12:57] <punkrockguy318> ACID|net, somewhat
[12:57] <punkrockguy318> ACID|net, it's a different URL though
[12:57] <epotash> anyone?
[12:58] <ACID|net> punkrockguy318: U got a url for setting it up?
[12:58] <punkrockguy318> of course :D
[12:58] <epotash> brb
[12:58] <capnemo> re :) what is the name of the package for Xorg ?
[12:58] <punkrockguy318> ACID|net, http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[12:59] <ACID|net> yah cheers :)
[12:59] <Pluk> capnemo, xserver-xorg
[12:59] <capnemo> oki thanks :)
[01:00] <capnemo> Pluk, why apt-get cant find it then ?
[01:00] <tranceconscious> The only reason I'm still using windows is Cubase. Is there any way I can make a full ubuntu transition? Is there anything like cubase for linux around out yet????
[01:01] <punkrockguy318> tranceconscious, have you tried wine?
[01:01] <Pluk> capnemo, you need to run hoary for that
[01:01] <usual> tranceconscious, Wired
[01:01] <capnemo> tranceconscious, there are lots of software about music and rhythm on linux
[01:01] <epotash> why does apt-get ubuntu-desktop need 1200mb?
[01:01] <epotash> ?
[01:01] <capnemo> Pluk, hoary ??
[01:01] <punkrockguy318> tranceconscious, audacity is also nice... a little more leightweight though
[01:02] <stonersavant> <3 trance
[01:02] <Pluk> hoary = ubuntu warty unstable/testing
[01:02] <usual> tranceconscious, http://bloodshed.net/wired/
[01:02] <usual> that is the top linux audio software I think
[01:02] <ACID|net> from what ive heard it aint that unstable
[01:02] <capnemo> Pluk, seriously ?!
[01:02] <punkrockguy318> yeah, it was on /. earlier
[01:02] <usual> http://bloodshed.net/wired/img/screenshots/wired_shot-01.png
[01:02] <farruinn> epotash, it's a meta-package, depends on tons of other packages
[01:02] <Pluk> capnemo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2555
[01:03] <usual> Wired aims to be a professional music production and creation software running on the Linux operating system.
[01:03] <stonersavant> usual,anything newbs need to know beforehand when attempting to install wired?
[01:03] <punkrockguy318> usual, i gave wired a try on arch and it seemed nice
[01:03] <punkrockguy318> usual, are there debian pkgs for wired?
[01:03] <usual> stonersavant, yea, read the documentation haha
[01:03] <usual> punkrockguy318, havn't seen any
[01:04] <stonersavant> heh
[01:04] <capnemo> Pluk, why xorg is in a testing repository ??????!!!
[01:04] <punkrockguy318> me either :-\ it depends on devel wxgtk/wxpython packages which is a pain
[01:04] <tranceconscious> and what about the plugins i'm used to using with cubase? what about the VST's???
[01:04] <usual> read man
[01:04] <usual> shit
[01:04] <usual> i gave you the url
[01:04] <stonersavant> heh
[01:05] <Pluk> because theyre nog going to make fundamental changes in warty
[01:05] <Pluk> something to do with the 6 months release cycle
[01:05] <Tenniru> I am experiencing a severe problem with GNOME.
[01:05] <capnemo> Pluk, ahh yes the 6 months cycle
[01:05] <Tenniru> Mainly, upon startup it says something about Nautilus failing after some bubono-or-something startup failed.
[01:05] <capnemo> ok thanks for all bye bye and good night :)
[01:06] <Pluk> nite :)
[01:06] <Tenniru> It tells me to kill this bobono-activation-whatever and I did via terminal...
[01:06] <Tenniru> Stand by, let me get the actual error messages.
[01:07] <stonersavant> so I've read the kismet man, I've read the orinoco stuff, but I am stumped. Can someone point me towards a resource for patching orinoco drivers for kismet, in regards to ubuntu? I'm a linux newb but im working on fixing that
[01:08] <farruinn> Tenniru at the terminal, killall bonobo-activation-server
[01:08] <Tenniru> right
[01:09] <Tenniru> I did that.
[01:09] <Tenniru> ...What the...
[01:09] <Tenniru> It works fine when I'm in range of my wireless router.
[01:09] <Tenniru> This is bizarre.
[01:09] <zenwhen> hey farruinn
[01:09] <farruinn> hey zen
[01:09] <zenwhen> #ubuntuforums wasn't exciting enough for you? :(
[01:10] <xf_> Tenniru: it sounds like something's having problems resolving your machine. this is a random guess, i don't actually know. what does your /etc/hosts say?
[01:10] <thenuke> tranceconscious: that software is still very young, VST plugins are a requested feature which is not yet under development
[01:11] <Tenniru> What should I be looking for?
[01:11] <tranceconscious> and the last thing.... I have a crypto usb modem which I use to connect to my RAS server at work with callback. Where will I find drivers for my modem and how will I set up my connection???
[01:11] <tranceconscious> usual, thanx for the link man, I'll check it out....
[01:12] <tranceconscious> looks interesting...
[01:12] <usual> np
[01:12] <Tzigane> Hi =) Is anyone else aware that Epiphany under Hoary no longer provides text lookahead?  Whenever I enter keystrokes with the focus on the main view area, Epiphany behaves as if I was holding down Alt (And therefore shows up menus associated with the pressed keys..)
[01:13] <Tzigane> Is there some library I haven't upgraded properly that could be causing that?
[01:13] <epotash> how do i change my hostname?
[01:13] <kandinski> blargh!
[01:14] <Tzigane> epotash: Use the system tools
[01:14] <Tenniru> Hmm. Next objective- I want to switch from GNOME to AfterStep.
[01:14] <Tzigane> System settings -> Network settings
[01:14] <Tenniru> I made Synaptic Package Manager install it. What next?
[01:15] <LeeColleton> how do I get exim to run with gid = daemon ?
[01:15] <Tzigane> Tenniru: You can hopefully then select it from gdm, under 'Sessions'
[01:15] <Tzigane> LeeColleton: dpkg-reconfigure exim ?
[01:15] <Tenniru> Ah.
[01:16] <LeeColleton> Tzigane: ah ha ha.  if only it were that easy
[01:16] <Tzigane> LeeColleton: It should be =)
[01:16] <kleedrac> Which nes emulator should I apt-get from ubuntu
[01:16] <Tzigane> LeeColleton: If not exim it's exim-config or something... I think there may be a metapackage for configuration
[01:16] <Tenniru> fceu is great.
[01:17] <Tenniru> Just say apt-get install nes-emulator, it chooses it for you.
[01:17] <Tenniru> It's got network play and does about everything.
[01:17] <kleedrac> Tenniru: Got fceu but the keys are messed
[01:17] <g0d> fceu works for ubuntu?@?#$
[01:17] <techn9ne> nes ? as in nintendo?
[01:17] <LeeColleton> Tzigane: you mean dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
[01:17] <Tenniru> Yes
[01:17] <techn9ne> cool i didntk now they had those
[01:17] <kleedrac> Yes nes as in nintendo
[01:17] <LeeColleton> Tzigane: that just asks a bunch of questions about routing
[01:17] <Tzigane> LeeColleton: Oh.. Fair enough
[01:17] <kleedrac> But the keys are wasx instead of the cursor keys!
[01:17] <techn9ne> where do you get games?
[01:17] <Tenniru> ROM files?
[01:17] <LeeColleton> Tzigane: Mailman doesn't play nice with exim with the default debian packages
[01:18] <Tenniru> I don't think we're supposed to answer that.
[01:18] <techn9ne> well its been like 12 years i dont think nintendo cares
[01:18] <ACIDnet> hey all
[01:18] <ACIDnet> using the liveCD :D: :D :D
[01:18] <ACIDnet> and my usb pen drive works fine
[01:18] <LeeColleton> Mailman expects the MTA to execute scripts with the GID of daemon while Exim runs with the GID of Debian-exim.  AFU
[01:18] <Cloudchaser> hello..i'm having some trouble sometimes booting..i get this mesg: note: mount [201]  exited with preempt_code 1
[01:18] <Tzigane> LeeColleton: Gah..
[01:18] <kleedrac> Tenniru: How do I rebind my keys?
[01:18] <Tzigane> LeeColleton: Try removing exim from /etc/inetd.conf
[01:18] <kandinski> any of you at the Matar conference?
[01:18] <Tenniru> Stand by.
[01:18] <Tzigane> LeeColleton: It may then run as a daemon automatically
[01:19] <LeeColleton> Tzigane: no, I mean it has to run with the gid of daemon (which happens to be 1, on my system)
[01:19] <K-otiK> does ubuntu program cache have a nintendo emulator?
[01:19] <Tenniru> Yes.
[01:19] <Tenniru> It has fceu.
[01:19] <amathis> what is a nintendo emulator?
[01:19] <Tenniru> It emulates ROM images of the classic Nintendo system.
[01:19] <amathis> and how can I play Super Mario Bros on my pc?? :D
[01:20] <K-otiK> i did apt-get install fceu
[01:20] <K-otiK> didn't find the package
[01:20] <LeeColleton> Exim is running as a background process (aka. daemon mode) but it is running with the GID of 1, which /etc/group translates into "daemon"
[01:20] <Tenniru> They have a diffirent version.
[01:20] <ACIDnet> if i change my setting in the liveCD - like install gcc and keyboard map will it stay?? Or will i lose it?
[01:20] <Tenniru> fceu-sdl.
[01:20] <K-otiK> thanks tenniru
[01:20] <Tzigane> LeeColleton: Ahh.. I see
[01:21] <Tzigane> Could you suid the binary? (I don't know a whole lot about this suid business..)
[01:21] <LeeColleton> No wait, actually, that's my goal.. Exim is currently running with gid = 102 (Debian-exim)
[01:21] <Cloudchaser> does anyone have any idea what that means or how to find out whats going wrong? i looked in dmesg but i didn't see anyhing earthshattering
[01:21] <ACIDnet> hello???
[01:21] <LeeColleton> I want it to run with GID = 1
[01:22] <Tzigane> Yeah, I get you =)
[01:22] <Tzigane> I'm looking in /etc/init.d/exim4..
[01:22] <LeeColleton> ACIDnet: LoD are you out there?
[01:23] <LeeColleton> Tzigane: yeah, I didn't see anything there..
[01:23] <ACIDnet> if i change my setting in the liveCD - like install gcc and keyboard map will it stay?? Or will i lose it?
[01:23] <LeeColleton> ACIDnet: you can't install anything on a live CD
[01:24] <kleedrac> Tenniru: Any luck on rebinding keys?
[01:24] <LeeColleton> unless you mount the CD image before burning it and change that
[01:24] <Tenniru> fceu -inputcfg gamepad1 (name of rom).nes.
[01:24] <LeeColleton> information on a CD is "Read Only"
[01:24] <LeeColleton> hence CD-ROM
[01:24] <Tenniru> It wants to play a ROM while you do it, no reason why.
[01:24] <Tenniru> Hey, I installed AfterStep but can't get into it from GNOME.
[01:24] <Tenniru> What do I do?
[01:24] <LeeColleton> ACIDnet: you dig?
[01:25] <Tzigane> LeeColleton:  /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/03_exim4-config_tlsoptions ?
[01:25] <ACIDnet> ok, just thought it might save it somewhere, but then i guess its losing the point of being live
[01:25] <ACIDnet> just checking :)
[01:25] <Tzigane> LeeColleton: Nope..
[01:25] <amathis> are there any N64 Emulators?
[01:25] <Yakfisher> lee. i ran the suse 9.1 live and it did put files on my hd?
[01:25] <kleedrac> Tenniru: You rock!!  Thanks man ... do I have to redo that every time or will it remember?
[01:25] <ACIDnet> if things like my touchpad, audio, ethernet work on the Live will they work when i install it onto my harddrive?
[01:25] <Tenniru> It remembers.
[01:26] <kleedrac> Tenniru: Thanks man ... again you rock!!
[01:26] <kleedrac> l8r everyone
[01:26] <LeeColleton> what controls the GID that an app runs as?  Is it a compile time option?
[01:26] <Tenniru> No problem.
[01:26] <Tzigane> LeeColleton: grep Debian-exim /etc/* -r
[01:26] <Tenniru> Um... how do I make the login greeter notice that I installed AfterStep?
[01:26] <Tenniru> So I can finally dump GNOME?
[01:27] <techn9ne> ACIDnet : yes
[01:27] <techn9ne> ACIDnet : when i installed the installer detected my printer which wasnt detected during live
[01:27] <ACIDnet> techn9ne: cool,  im using a laptop and the FN keys dont work - any way to make them?? Like install anything??
[01:27] <mAIJK> How do I get torsmo or what it called to work ?
[01:27] <ACIDnet> its not overally impportant, just wondering
[01:28] <techn9ne> fn keys like f1, f2?
[01:28] <Tenniru> Wait. The iBook?
[01:28] <Tenniru> If there's a button "fn", hold it down while hitting the f keys.
[01:28] <ACIDnet> no, like volume control
[01:28] <Tenniru> Oh.
[01:28] <Tenniru> You have to set it to do that.
[01:28] <ACIDnet> and switching LCDs
[01:28] <ACIDnet> how?
[01:28] <Tenniru> Um... yeah... can't really help there. I'm a newbie myself.
[01:29] <ACIDnet> hmmm, not important atm ;)
[01:29] <ACIDnet> does anyone know if there is any sound/movies on the livecd to test my audio??
[01:29] <techn9ne> i just noticed i have those function keys... ive never used them
[01:29] <amathis> are there any N64 linux emulators?
[01:30] <K-otiK> i download fceu with apt-get but the command fceu-sdl and fceu didn't work
[01:30] <K-otiK> can i access this prog somewehre else?
[01:30] <punkrockguy318> yes
[01:30] <Tenniru> Just try apt-get install nes-emulator.
[01:31] <K-otiK> how, shouldnt' those commands ahve workeD?
[01:31] <ACIDnet> yah!!! Sound works!!
[01:31] <punkrockguy318> nes-emulator?  does that have a gui?
[01:31] <techn9ne> ACIDnet : i find that linux has much better h/w detection than windows
[01:32] <punkrockguy318> techn9ne, are you serious?
[01:32] <gen> techn9ne, depends on age of hardware
[01:32] <punkrockguy318> iw ould
[01:32] <punkrockguy318> i wouldn't go that far*
[01:33] <srbaker> anyone know where i might find some better network/computer artwork for dia?
[01:33] <techn9ne> I would. Everytime machien I've installed linux on its detected all of the onboard h/w
[01:33] <techn9ne> winxp never does
[01:33] <kandinski> nobody in Matar then?
[01:34] <Tenniru> Ubuntu worked perfectly with all the hardware on my old Dual USB iBook...
[01:34] <punkrockguy318> techn9ne, ubuntu does have nice hwd
[01:34] <punkrockguy318> techn9ne, the best i've seen on any distro
[01:34] <Tenniru> Except hald prevented it from going into sleep mode.
[01:34] <techn9ne> well i have suse too and it detected all the onboard stuff
[01:34] <punkrockguy318> it detected everything on my PC except for my webcam
[01:34] <ACIDnet> ok, i think i messed it up a little
[01:34] <techn9ne> windows has very poor out of box h/w support but the man. make drivers for it
[01:35] <ACIDnet> i unplugged my usb pen and plugged it back it and now i cant access it
[01:36] <punkrockguy318> techn9ne, the man point of bad *nix support is wireless
[01:36] <punkrockguy318> wireless support isn't too great...
[01:36] <techn9ne> and printers
[01:36] <techn9ne> you can get mostly anything to work though i think w/ ndiswrapper
[01:36] <punkrockguy318> i've never had a problem with any printers.. it didn't detect them, but they're easy to install
[01:37] <techn9ne> i got a funky brother mfc which ive had problems with
[01:37] <techn9ne> in suse and ubuntu
[01:37] <punkrockguy318> oh
[01:37] <techn9ne> i got it working by using another driver for a similar model
[01:37] <punkrockguy318> that usually works
[01:38] <punkrockguy318> i set up two samba printers in like five minutes
[01:38] <ACIDnet> hmmm, help me with my pen drive plz
[01:39] <techn9ne> i dunno umm plug it in and type mount
[01:39] <Tenniru> Hey, I just had Synaptic Package Manager install AfterStep... how do I actually switch to it?
[01:39] <punkrockguy318> Tenniru, log out.. now in your login, hit session..then hit afterstep
[01:39] <Tenniru> I tried.
[01:39] <Tenniru> It's not there.
[01:39] <punkrockguy318> Tenniru, hmm
[01:39] <punkrockguy318> Tenniru, not sure
[01:40] <ACIDnet> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[01:40] <ACIDnet> /dev/sda1 on /mnt/sda1 type vfat (rw)
[01:40] <marsjays> Tenniru: have you restarted gdm since you intalled afterstep? that might do it, but i don't know
[01:40] <punkrockguy318> Tenniru, yeah, do an alt-ctrl-backspace
[01:41] <ACIDnet> that restart xfree86?
[01:41] <punkrockguy318> yup
[01:41] <marsjays> log out _before_ you do your ctrl-alt-backspace though
[01:41] <K-otiK> hey tenniru, how do i run fceu, running the commands while in the terminal, like fceu istn' working
[01:41] <Tenniru> It's not there...
[01:41] <marsjays> weird..
[01:41] <punkrockguy318> marsjays, why?
[01:41] <punkrockguy318> K-otiK, fceu <romname>
[01:41] <Tenniru> fceu (name of ROM)
[01:42] <Tenniru> Or fceu-sdl (name of rom).
[01:42] <punkrockguy318> yeah
[01:42] <marsjays> punkrockguy318: i've had problems with parts of gnome staying alive when i've quit using ctrl-alt-backspace
[01:42] <punkrockguy318> dpkg -L <pkgname> | grep bin
[01:42] <K-otiK> sweet, can i hook up a control via usb?
[01:42] <punkrockguy318> marsjays, oh okay
[01:42] <K-otiK> i know you can for the one for windows
[01:42] <Tenniru> Also, I'm trying to switch login apps to login.app. How do I do this?
[01:43] <punkrockguy318> Tenniru, chmod a-x /etc/init.d/gdm  chmod a+x /etc/init.d/login.app  (or w/e the login.app daemon is)
[01:44] <ACIDnet> yah!!!
[01:44] <ACIDnet> i unmounted it and then plugged it back in and it worked
[01:44] <punkrockguy318> ACIDnet, :D yay
[01:44] <marsjays> ACIDnet: sweet :D
[01:46] <ACIDnet> this is all new to me, ive installed linux before but just at work as a server - never had to deal with basic desktop stuff
[01:49] <K-otiK> can ubuntu use .rar files?
[01:49] <GotD0t> K-otiK: sure
[01:51] <punkrockguy318> can dpkg install rpms?
[01:52] <punkrockguy318> or apt? or something?
[01:52] <GotD0t> punkrockguy318: don't believe so, but you can use alien to convert an rpm to a deb i believe
[01:52] <punkrockguy318> okay
[01:52] <ACIDnet> the livecd doesnt have everything which is installed onto the harddrive does it?
[01:53] <ACIDnet> like gcc and whois
[01:53] <GotD0t> punkrockguy318: don't know how stable alien is, either way i would recommend that you compile from source
[01:53] <ungood> Does ubuntu come with support for Promise RAID cards?
[01:54] <punkrockguy318> GotD0t, ty
[01:54] <GotD0t> ACIDnet: well you really shouldn't need to compile stuff on a livecd ;-)
[01:55] <ACIDnet> GotD0t, My mate wanted to know as we need to compile stuff on our coursework under linux but he dont want to install it
[01:55] <punkrockguy318> ACIDnet, gcc isn't even installed with base
[01:56] <ACIDnet> oh right, i must have installed it when i did it under vmware ten :)
[01:56] <GotD0t> ACIDnet: oh, that makes sense... what course?
[01:56] <ACIDnet> Computer Science
[01:56] <ACIDnet> shit course
[01:56] <GotD0t> hehe
[01:57] <GotD0t> and you specifically have to compile it under linux?
[01:57] <ACIDnet> 2nd year (3 years) and we have just started to compile C++ under linux or cygwin and using bluej to program in java
[01:57] <ACIDnet> yep - must be linux - lecturer is anti-ms
[01:57] <GotD0t> haha, go him
[01:58] <ACIDnet> we had a ms rep come in to discuss .net and he left half way in cause he wouldnt stop saying how shit ms is and how he will never let it be taught on any of his modules (hes been at the uni for about 40 years)
[01:58] <ACIDnet> just a little crazy ;)
[01:58] <GotD0t> thats not crazy, hes devoted
[01:59] <punkrockguy318> how do I install the qc-usb driver?
[01:59] <ACIDnet> if u saw him u would think he was crazy
[01:59] <GotD0t> man, i'd love a professor like that
[01:59] <farruinn> it's a bit close minded though
[01:59] <GotD0t> so>
[01:59] <GotD0t> hehe
[01:59] <ACIDnet> no tux racer on live cd :(
[01:59] <farruinn> not saying I like anything about ms
[02:00] <Tenniru> Well, there is the XBox.
[02:00] <punkrockguy318> ACIDnet, knoppixgames has it
[02:00] <GotD0t> thats true... MS did two things correctly.... XBox, and their DRM (which is nigh impossible to break, from what i understand)
[02:00] <punkrockguy318> xbox is nice
[02:00] <ACIDnet> linux is cool!!!
[02:00] <ACIDnet> its so easy to change little tihngs
[02:01] <ACIDnet> just quickly
[02:01] <punkrockguy318> i'm getting one.. xbox, 2 games, xbox live, 2months free.. $150usd... you can't beat that
[02:01] <Tenniru> And in my opinion, Windows was superior to the MacOS up until OS X 10.2.
[02:01] <Tenniru> I use OS X on my G4, Ubuntu on my iBook.
[02:01] <ACIDnet> hmmm, i want an imac
[02:01] <GotD0t> Tenniru: what big thing happened in 10.2?
[02:01] <GotD0t> I want a powerbook
[02:01] <techn9ne> windows is superior to... something??
[02:01] <amathis> hah
[02:01] <llun_ved> crap
[02:01] <techn9ne> wow
[02:02] <GotD0t> techn9ne: uh... yea its superior to, hmm
[02:02] <amathis> yes, windows is superior then Pico!
[02:02] <punkrockguy318> if i could afford a mac, i would get one
[02:02] <amathis> :d
[02:02] <techn9ne> call the ny times we got a story on our hands
[02:02] <Tenniru> Well, it started having a sensible software library...
[02:02] <farruinn> this conversation would actually be more suited to #ubuntuforums I think
[02:02] <ACIDnet> :O
[02:02] <ACIDnet> pico rules!!!!!!!!
[02:02] <GotD0t> hehe
[02:02] <Tenniru> Some good Unix tools again...
[02:02] <amathis> farruinn: bah!
[02:02] <amathis> :D
[02:02] <amathis> emacs > you.
[02:02] <Tenniru> And stopped being SLOW AS HECK.
[02:02] <Tenniru> I love pico.
[02:02] <Tenniru> And gedit.
[02:02] <ACIDnet> pico was first ever linux app used and installed
[02:02] <ACIDnet> only just found nano
[02:03] <orc3n> pico > *
[02:03] <amathis> BAH!
[02:03] <amathis> ew
[02:03] <GotD0t> haha orc3n
[02:03] <farruinn> lol
[02:03] <orc3n> pico > *:P
[02:03] <amathis> ugh
[02:03] <punkrockguy318> why not use nano?
[02:03] <llun_ved> anyone here running ubuntu as a web server?
[02:03] <farruinn> ACIDnet, you know that on Ubuntu pico is a symlink to nano, right?
[02:03] <orc3n> cuz I have everything setup for pico
[02:03] <amathis> llun_ved: yes
[02:03] <GotD0t> amathis: amen to that
[02:04] <ACIDnet> farruinn, yeah, only just found that out when going over the packages u can install
[02:04] <orc3n> llun_ved I have access to one running ubuntu
[02:04] <ACIDnet> but nano is just pico to me
[02:04] <llun_ved> amathis:  any problems with the setup?
[02:04] <amathis> llun_ved: nope
[02:05] <amathis> llun_ved: I compiled stuff though
[02:05] <amathis> didn't apt-get it
[02:05] <ACIDnet> ok, im off to join my sexy gf in bed
[02:05] <amathis> ACIDnet: quit calling the internet your gf
[02:05] <GotD0t> thanks for sharing ACIDnet
[02:05] <amathis> she is -my- gf
[02:05] <ACIDnet> ;)
[02:06] <ACIDnet> i need to be careful, dont want the internet ot think im cheating on it
[02:06] <amathis> WITH YOUR HAND TOO!
[02:06] <amathis> how dare you
[02:06] <amathis> you should be ashamed
[02:06] <ACIDnet> lol
[02:06] <ACIDnet> but i dont even have my webcam plugged in,.....
[02:06] <llun_ved> amathis:  k. i have been working with ubuntu and beatrix for a a bit. like what i see. thinking about migrating from slakware to ubuntu
[02:07] <amathis> llun_ved: I ran slackware forever
[02:07] <punkrockguy318> i'm thinking about completely migrating from arch to ubuntu
[02:07] <amathis> llun_ved: I love compiling stuff, but when I needed a lib or something quick, I love apt-get
[02:07] <amathis> slackware doesn't have that
[02:07] <amathis> it is like slackware with a cool pkg manager
[02:07] <amathis> which is handy sometimes
[02:07] <ACIDnet> im off now
[02:07] <ACIDnet> night
[02:07] <llun_ved> heh
[02:07] <punkrockguy318> arch is really nice.. but ubuntu/debian has more packages... i like pacman better than apt-get but.. apt-get is still nice
[02:08] <gangalino> ACIDnnet and his imaginary gfs...
[02:08] <gangalino> .gifs
[02:08] <GotD0t> hehe gangalino
[02:08] <llun_ved> i noticed the ubuntu servers are extremely fast
[02:08] <gangalino> anyway, I'm still having problems getting my neomagic soundcard working in warty
[02:08] <pepsi_> maybe your connection is just extremely slow
[02:09] <marsjays> haha
[02:09] <amathis> heh
[02:09] <amathis> look who it is -.-
[02:09] <GotD0t> bah
[02:10] <GotD0t> ubhuti: ubhuti
[02:10] <ubhuti> Hello, I'm Ubhuti, a simple blootbot. My name is Zulu for "brother".
[02:11] <punkrockguy318> ubhuti, botsnack
[02:11] <ubhuti> :)
[02:11] <punkrockguy318> ubhuti, botsmack
[02:11] <ubhuti> Wish i knew, punkrockguy318
[02:11] <GotD0t> hehe
[02:11] <GotD0t> ubhuti: botsmack
[02:11] <ubhuti> hmm... botsmack is OUCH!
[02:11] <GotD0t> ahh
[02:11] <GotD0t> hehe
[02:12] <llun_ved> all i know is that i really like what i see in the ubuntu distribution.
[02:12] <llun_ved> it is actually making me consider moving to it from slackware
[02:13] <ACIDnet> ok, this is going to sound really silly
[02:13] <ACIDnet> but how do u shutdown the live cd??
[02:13] <GotD0t> ACIDnet: hahaha
[02:13] <ACIDnet> :(
[02:13] <GotD0t> ACIDnet: try reboot ;-)
[02:13] <ACIDnet> what the command??
[02:13] <Garathor> Which IRC-client is there on the live CD?
[02:13] <farruinn> sudo halt
[02:14] <ACIDnet> The system is going down for system halt NOW!
[02:14] <ACIDnet> shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl
[02:14] <ACIDnet> init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl
[02:15] <snerfu> init 6
[02:15] <ACIDnet> well??
[02:15] <ACIDnet> should i just hit the power?
[02:16] <GotD0t> ACIDnet: did you try 'sudo reboot"
[02:16] <ACIDnet> yeah
[02:16] <GotD0t> hmm
[02:16] <ACIDnet> i got that the same
[02:16] <GotD0t> go for the power button, theres nothing to screw up... they've always said not to do that because it could mess up a write operation, but since you're running from a cd it wont matter
[02:17] <ACIDnet> just out of interest, what happens if i take the cd out??
[02:17] <GotD0t> try it
[02:17] <GotD0t> im interested to know
[02:17] <ACIDnet> ok, it wont eject
[02:17] <GotD0t> try using the eject command
[02:18] <GotD0t> hehe
[02:18] <cavanaugh> hello, i just installed ubuntu and i need the kernel source, where can i find this. The kernel version im running is 2.6.8.1-3-386
[02:18] <GotD0t> cavanaugh: i believe you do, apt-get source *package name*
[02:19] <farruinn> cavanaugh, apt-cache search linux-source
[02:19] <farruinn> GotD0t, I don't think that's what he want's in this case
[02:19] <GotD0t> farruinn: ?
[02:19] <GotD0t> farruinn: what would that do
[02:19] <farruinn> the linux-source-* package will install to /usr/src
[02:19] <GotD0t> oh
[02:19] <GotD0t> ok
[02:19] <farruinn> there's a debian howto on it...
[02:19] <GotD0t> gotcha
[02:20] <Kamion> just make sure to mentally substitute linux-source for kernel-source when reading Debian documentation on kernel source.
[02:20] <cavanaugh> thanks
[02:21] <cavanaugh> yes i was searching for kernel-source :)
[02:22] <farruinn> cavanaugh, I believe that kernel-source comes directly from Debian
[02:22] <farruinn> linux-source comes from ubuntu
[02:22] <farruinn> afaik
[02:22] <cavanaugh> ok
[02:24] <emoxer> hey whats the code to edit the source.list in ubuntu
[02:24] <emoxer> sudo emacs /etc/apt/source.list ?
[02:24] <fulvioo> vi /etc/apt/source.list
[02:24] <GotD0t> emoxer: sudo vim /etc/apt/source.list
[02:24] <fulvioo> lol
[02:24] <GotD0t> hehe
[02:24] <GotD0t> 2-1
[02:24] <emoxer> thans
[02:24] <GotD0t> hehe
[02:24] <emoxer> thanks
[02:24] <emoxer> wtf.
[02:24] <GotD0t> ?
[02:24] <emoxer> when i do that everything in that file doesnt come out
[02:24] <emoxer> i know i need to take out the hashes
[02:25] <emoxer> but nothing is coming out for that file when i do that command
[02:25] <emoxer> any idea why?
[02:25] <GotD0t> it might be sources.list
[02:25] <emoxer> ah! there we go.
[02:25] <emoxer> k thnx
[02:25] <zenwhen> hey Kamion, do you have another spot open for a channel to idle in? :)
[02:27] <emoxer> has anyone here used photoshop with wine on ubuntu?
[02:27] <emoxer> just asking to see if there will be any conflict doing that
[02:27] <GotD0t> emoxer: haven't heard any success or failure stories
[02:27] <emoxer> oh
[02:27] <GotD0t> emoxer: but it shouldn't cause any problems
[02:27] <emoxer> i heard some success stories with SuSe
[02:27] <emoxer> 9.1
[02:27] <emoxer> with 7
[02:27] <emoxer> 8 gave me an error when i tried it
[02:28] <GotD0t> what was it
[02:28] <emoxer> something about OS
[02:28] <emoxer> saying 8 was incompatible with the OS i was using
[02:28] <emoxer> to update
[02:28] <emoxer> lol
[02:28] <emoxer> i dont think 7 will do that though
[02:28] <emoxer> that's probably a new feature in CS
[02:28] <emoxer> w/e
[02:28] <GotD0t> 8 might require XP, and wine isn't set by default to ID as XP
[02:28] <emoxer> k
[02:28] <fulvioo> i hate wine
[02:28] <emoxer> i run CS on 2k
[02:28] <emoxer> why? lol
[02:28] <emoxer> its useful i suppose.
[02:28] <GotD0t> emoxer: oh, well then it might be 2k and xp, i dunno
[02:29] <emoxer> well im about to give it a shot.
[02:29] <GotD0t> emoxer: look in the wine docs about it
[02:30] <emoxer> um, the code to get wine is "sudo apt-get install wine"
[02:30] <emoxer> correct?
[02:30] <emoxer> after the apt-get update
[02:30] <GotD0t> emoxer: yea
[02:30] <emoxer> hmm
[02:30] <emoxer> doesnt seem to open
[02:30] <fulvioo> I prefer to run a vmware or Qemu
[02:30] <emoxer> can i get vmware through apt-get
[02:30] <GotD0t> fulvioo: vmware costs money
[02:30] <emoxer> lol
[02:30] <fulvioo> Qemu not
[02:30] <emoxer> im poor.
[02:30] <emoxer> :] 
[02:30] <fulvioo> :)
[02:31] <emoxer> how about Qemu
[02:31] <fulvioo> Qemu its a bit slower though
[02:31] <emoxer> hmm
[02:31] <emoxer> would it require a reboot to run wine?
[02:31] <GotD0t> emoxer: if you can use wine i would try that, because thats decently fine
[02:31] <GotD0t> emoxer: no
[02:31] <emoxer> weird
[02:31] <emoxer> its not working
[02:31] <emoxer> lol
[02:31] <GotD0t> what happens
[02:32] <emoxer> well i havent looked for the file but last time i was able to open it just by putting 'wine' in run application
[02:32] <emoxer> but thats not working as of right now.
[02:32] <emoxer> that procedure
[02:33] <emoxer> w/e im reinstalling it, should cause a problem right?
[02:33] <emoxer> DUDE GRUB TOTALLY MESSED UP MY MBR YESTERDAY LOL
[02:33] <fulvioo> ;D
[02:33] <emoxer> w/e i fixed it
[02:33] <emoxer> if lilo messes up on me forget it
[02:33] <emoxer> im gonna save up for a mac
[02:33] <emoxer> roflmao
[02:33] <GotD0t> hehe
[02:34] <emoxer> ah got it running
[02:34] <emoxer> woot
[02:34] <GotD0t> emoxer: cool
[02:34] <emoxer> not photoshop, wine
[02:34] <emoxer> lets see how photoshop works
[02:34] <fulvioo> why you guys think ubuntu got very popular?
[02:34] <GotD0t> emoxer: i had a problem the first time running it because for some reason it didn't create the sym link for the fake c drive
[02:34] <kleedrac> All right anyone got any experience with visualboyadvance and more specifically how to get a gui version?
[02:35] <emoxer> omg how lame now i need to d/l winesetuptk
[02:35] <emoxer> lol
[02:35] <emoxer> visualboy?
[02:36] <kleedrac> Yup yup ... it's a gba emulator ... I used apt-get install vba to get it and the man page points to gvba but it's not installed and not in the apt-get repos
[02:36] <emoxer> O
[02:36] <emoxer> M
[02:36] <emoxer> G
[02:36] <emoxer> I GOT IT WORKING!!!
[02:36] <GotD0t> emoxer: good luck, im gonna shower
[02:37] <GotD0t> emoxer: well, recsind that last statement, and replace it with a gratz
[02:37] <kleedrac> Nicely done emoxer
[02:37] <emoxer> just, i need to actually get the install file for photoshop instead of what i did "copy paste the windows directory and burn it on cd"
[02:37] <emoxer> roflmao
[02:37] <emoxer> said it needed personalization
[02:37] <emoxer> :] ] ] 
[02:37] <farruinn> fulvioo, because it's very stable imo, is desktop oriented to a certain degree, and uses the best package management known to man
[02:37] <emoxer> w/e im at least happy i know it works.
[02:37] <farruinn> fulvioo, oh, and the community is great too! =)
[02:38] <emoxer> ill be back guys.
[02:38] <kleedrac> So anyone got a gui for vba running on ubuntu and how? :)
[02:42] <pepsi_> whorey
[02:43] <fulvioo> ;)
[02:47] <kleedrac> Where's a list of packages I can apt?
[02:48] <crimsun> dpkg -l '*'   <-- one method
[02:48] <crimsun> Synaptic probably offers a method as well
[02:51] <Kid_Sk8> Algum Brasileiro Ae?
[02:52] <arctick> i have an ntfs drive that is owned by root, so my user accnt cant access it in gnome, how do i change the permissions so any user can read/execute (not write of course), i tried chmod 755 directory but it just tells me its a read-only partition
[02:52] <arctick> am i getting the octal wrong?
[02:53] <GotD0t> change the octal to include only read and execute, no write
[02:53] <GotD0t> arctick: never fully understood octals, so i don't know what it should be...
[02:53] <farruinn> chmod a+rw
[02:53] <crimsun> arctick: you need to pass umask, uid, and gid parameters as options to mount
[02:55] <arctick> octals are a bit easier then the +- crazy stuff imho
[02:56] <emoxer> okay.
[02:56] <emoxer> i cant get back into windows, lilo doesnt configure itself :[
[02:57] <arctick> how do i pass these parameters to mount?
[02:57] <arctick> i want to do it though fstab
[02:58] <crimsun> options are given in the fourth (from the left) field
[02:58] <fulvioo> this have been told today
[02:58] <arctick> emoxer: did you kill the partition with the lilo.conf on it?
[02:58] <fulvioo> see if this helps:
[02:58] <fulvioo> richard_: check your fstab, mine has /dev/hda2       /mnt/winxp      ntfs    ro,defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000
[02:58] <crimsun> ^^ arctick
[02:59] <farruinn> now what if you're mounting a filesystem that holds a *nix install?  that uid and gid stuff screwed up the priveleges on my OS X install
[02:59] <crimsun> farruinn: a *nix install - as in a *nix partition?
[02:59] <arctick> dosnt osx use another filesystem type?
[03:00] <farruinn> I have os x installed on another partition.  When I mount it with gid=1000,uid=1000 all the files I touch are given that owner:group
[03:00] <farruinn> so not permissions I mean, but ownership
[03:01] <farruinn> I was confused for a bit when I started OS X and it told me it couldn't find my home directory =)
[03:01] <arctick> sounds like a bug
[03:03] <arctick> woohoo it works
[03:04] <emoxer> for some reason ubuntu never detected my windows partition
[03:04] <emoxer> is there a reason for this?
[03:04] <arctick> i fixed the problem i had earlier though about the missing .hidden files, i managed to copy them off the partition after i removed it in fdisk and created another one, it was on the new fat partition which was mounted as reiserfs somhow, im suprised my machine didnt commit suicide at that point
[03:05] <emoxer> how could boot into my windows partition
[03:05] <emoxer> is there a way to do that through a windows cd?
[03:05] <thenuke> nnno. You can use windows cd to rewrite the bootsector, and then you can boot to windows but you cannot boot into linux anymore ;)
[03:06] <arctick> emoxer: add it to /etc/fstab
[03:06] <emoxer> thenuke>that sucks lol
[03:06] <emoxer> i want to use bothhhh
[03:06] <emoxer> is there a way to configure lilo through linux
[03:06] <arctick> do you know what partition windows is on?
[03:06] <emoxer> yeah
[03:07] <thenuke> My ubuntu installations automagically configured ubuntus bootloader grub like that I could boot into windows too :I
[03:07] <emoxer> GRUB MESSED UP MY MBR YESTERDAY
[03:07] <emoxer> lol
[03:07] <emoxer> i installed it with LILO
[03:07] <emoxer> thinking it would configure itself to dual-boot
[03:07] <emoxer> but nah, that wasnt the case
[03:07] <thenuke> I think you should be able to reconfigure it by yourself
[03:07] <emoxer> i got GRUB errors 15 and 17
[03:08] <thenuke> I wonder what those errors are
[03:08] <arctick> you should just install your bootloader in a boot partition
[03:08] <emoxer> so there isnt a way to configure lilo when it's on MBR?
[03:09] <arctick> yes
[03:09] <thenuke> arctick: and then first will pop up windowses bootloader? and you would have to add the boot partition into it?
[03:09] <emoxer> what is that
[03:09] <punkrockguy318> how do I get the scroll-through-workspace thing in gnome?
[03:09] <thenuke> emoxer: sure is
[03:09] <thenuke> emoxer: just edit the config and rerun lilo
[03:09] <emoxer> i dont know where to go =/
[03:09] <thenuke> you should find many howtos and guides with google
[03:09] <emoxer> k
[03:10] <arctick> there is a HOWTO
[03:10] <arctick> and a FAQ
[03:25] <punkrockguy318> can I fetch packages from debian's current unstable?
[03:26] <jdodson> yes
[03:26] <arctick> just add the repository and your ready to go
[03:26] <punkrockguy318> is it safe?
[03:26] <jdodson> punkrockguy318: no.
[03:26] <punkrockguy318> lol
[03:27] <arctick> its not that bad, but i wouldnt do it on a server
[03:27] <jdodson> :) i have done it and it makes things tough later on.
[03:27] <jdodson> ok its not too bad, but it is problematic.
[03:27] <jdodson> i have a pretty borg like ubuntu/debian setup here
[03:27] <techn9ne> how do i mount my windows partitions?
[03:27] <arctick> the 'ubuntu' packages are too few not to install other stuff
[03:28] <jdodson> artick: cant disagree with you there.
[03:30] <paulnet> hiya everyone. i'm trying to get my synaptics touchpad to work(the scroll area etc). any ideas how i can do it? (i've upgraded to xorg)
[03:30] <arctick> tech: mount /dev/hdxX /mnt/windows ; where /mnt/windows is a directory you want and the xX depends on where the partition is
[03:30] <arctick> also try "man mount"
[03:31] <techn9ne> artick : thanks
[03:31] <techn9ne> can i list all partitions? mounted and unmounted?
[03:33] <arctick> just type "mount" for a list of mounted partitions, unmounted i think you just have to look at em with fdisk
[03:35] <techn9ne> is /proc swap?
[03:35] <nix000> anyone faced errors with xchat ?i am at a point where i think my xchat is missbahaving. For some reason it would auto-accept files from certain server while it just refuses to connect to others !
[03:35] <paulnet> techn9ne, df -h will list your partitions. is that what you're after?
[03:36] <techn9ne> yah but i put suse on there, windows and now ubuntu and im trying to sort htem out and get rid of suse
[03:36] <paulnet> do you know the partition suse is on?
[03:36] <techn9ne> yes
[03:37] <techn9ne> i also have 2 swaps i dont know which one is used by ubuntu
[03:37] <paulnet> so you just want to format it?
[03:37] <paulnet> ubuntu will just use whichever one you've specified in your ubuntu /etc/fstab
[03:40] <arctick> no need for two swaps
[03:41] <natex> anyone able to find libdvdcss for warty?
[03:41] <GotD0t> natex
[03:42] <GotD0t> ubhuti: restrictedformats
[03:42] <ubhuti> Since there are some legal restrictions on what Ubuntu can freely release, some software my need to be aquired elsewhere.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats to find out how you can get this non-free software.
[03:42] <GotD0t> check that out
[03:42] <techn9ne> i want to commit my partition changes but it needs me to unmount my drive. the one im using how do i unmount the current drive?
[03:43] <natex> yes I've read that site, except that the suggested libdvdcss doesn't seem to be available using apt-get or synaptic (multiverse source)
[03:43] <lil_anthony> question: after installing php4 and apache? in what path does the php files go in?
[03:43] <arctick> you need the mallirat repository
[03:43] <GotD0t> natex: scroll down, theres a reference to the mallirat repo
[03:44] <GotD0t> natex: tells you about adding it and everything
[03:44] <natex> GotD0t: omg, I didn't scroll....
[03:44] <GotD0t> natex: hehe
[03:45] <GotD0t> natex: don't beat yourself up, we all do it
[03:45] <techn9ne> lil_anthony: /etc/php.ini
[03:46] <lil_anthony> so set the path via that file?
[03:46] <arctick> anyone know how to change gnome to use sawfish instead of metacity?
[03:47] <wasabi_> Heh. I have a '2' file showing up all over the place.
[03:47] <lil_anthony> where can i find (i know google and man pages) but where can i find some documentation online to set this up i downloaded a gallery php to host some images but not not sure how to get it all working as to where i need to place files and such
[03:48] <wasabi_> heh. It's the bash_completion script
[03:48] <natex> arctick: I've done that (sub pekwm), but it's been awhile. Google should have that.
[03:49] <yorkomo> hello all
[03:49] <GotD0t> hi
[03:50] <yorkomo> could anyone help me with the totem player?  I can't get it to play media files
[03:50] <yorkomo> not mpeg, nor mp3s...
[03:51] <leonel> yorkomo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:51] <GotD0t> leonel hand it to ubhuti
[03:51] <GotD0t> ubhuti: restrictedformats
[03:51] <ubhuti> Since there are some legal restrictions on what Ubuntu can freely release, some software my need to be aquired elsewhere.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats to find out how you can get this non-free software.
[03:51] <GotD0t> hehe
[03:51] <natex> hehe
[03:52] <yorkomo> I see
[03:52] <natex> yorkomo: make sure to scroll all the way ;)
[03:52] <yorkomo> I suppose I should rtfm ^_~
[03:52] <yorkomo> thanks
[03:53] <farruinn> yorkomo, it's ok, that's why we have ubhuti
[03:53] <yorkomo> wow, this is a pretty cool community
[03:54] <yorkomo> kinda scary to find such helpful people
[03:54] <yorkomo> ^_^
[03:55] <techn9ne> lil_anthony : http://gallery.sf.net
[03:56] <DigiKill> evenin...
[03:57] <GotD0t> afternoon
[03:57] <DigiKill> have an interesting question for anyone on PPC Ubuntu w. Firefox
[03:57] <DigiKill> regarding Plugins
[03:58] <epotash> how can i reconfigure x windows
[03:58] <DigiKill> cuz i only see linux x86 listed as a linux "flash/shockwave" plugin...
[03:58] <epotash> that dialog when i first installed
[03:58] <mjg59> There's no flash plugin for PPC
[03:58] <mjg59> Macromedia haven't released one
[03:58] <lil_anthony> ok thanks
[03:58] <mjg59> If they'd released the source code, we could fix tihs, but...
[03:58] <DigiKill> theres an OSX one....
[03:59] <mjg59> Yeah. It doesn't target X11, though, so there's no reasonable way to make it work
[03:59] <lil_anthony> i have moved the phps to /var/www   but when i try index.php it wants to save the file let me read the link you posted thanks
[03:59] <DigiKill> ive been debatin on tryin that one.....cuz i miss lookin at flash
[04:00] <mjg59> The OSX one won't work
[04:02] <DigiKill> see tho...im in an odd spot....cuz i have Fink runnin Debian Firefox thru X11, cuz the Quartz-WM on OSX is fubar'd on my system, so im basically cross-platformed.
[04:02] <DigiKill> im just waitin for Ubuntu in the mail is all to fix it
[04:02] <DigiKill> lol
[04:02] <regeya> geh.
[04:03] <natex> dang, still can't play dvds
[04:03] <regeya> so wait, you're running on an OS X box at the moment, DigiKill?
[04:03] <regeya> I hesitate to point out that there's a native flash plugin...
[04:03] <DigiKill> runnin XFCE and fluxbox in the quartz gui...
[04:03] <DigiKill> but thats for the OSX firefox...
[04:03] <regeya> natex: what have you tried so far?
[04:03] <DigiKill> i ported Debians firefox over ;)
[04:04] <DigiKill> only thing that works on OSX for me at the moment is Terminal and X11
[04:04] <regeya> DigiKill: bite the bullet and use the nice regular OS X GUI.  You can bathe later if it makes you feel dirty...
[04:04] <regeya> um.
[04:04] <DigiKill> i had to re-port everything cuz nothing works on OSX at the moment
[04:04] <regeya> what's the problem with everything else...not that I should give OS X help...
[04:04] <natex> regeya: installed libdvdcss from suggested source. using warty with totem(Gstreamer)
[04:05] <DigiKill> one program took out all my basics......
[04:05] <DigiKill> on an uninstall
[04:05] <DigiKill> cant launch ANYTHING in osx
[04:05] <regeya> eh, that stinks, DigiKill...
[04:05] <regeya> so the apps are GONE, or is something else wrong?
[04:05] <DigiKill> yeah...Stay away from APE <application enhancer>
[04:05] <regeya> hehe...got bit by APE, eh?  that sucks. :-D
[04:06] <DigiKill> Ape took out all my system
[04:06] <DigiKill> yeah.....and have no backups or OS Disks for PPC
[04:06] <arctick> i was bit by an ape once...
[04:06] <DigiKill> im waitin for Ubuntu in the mail
[04:06] <DigiKill> lol
[04:06] <arctick> not really though
[04:06] <arctick> really i bit the ape
[04:06] <regeya> oooh... that REALLY sucks, DigiKill. :-(
[04:07] <DigiKill> to top it all off...no burner available to burn a Distro from ISO
[04:07] <regeya> don't have a high-speed connection, eh, DigiKill?
[04:07] <DigiKill> yeah regeya ....i got "decent speed"
[04:07] <regeya> oh. :-(
[04:08] <DigiKill> i was tryin for a Network install of Debian PPC tho i couldnt unmount 2nd partition
[04:08] <regeya> iirc you could boot an image, though I don't remember what sort of hoops you have to go through, and IIRC you have to have a separate volume with the install crap on it.
[04:09] <regeya> well, if you don't have an official OS X CD and don't feel like either buying one or stealing it, then yeah, I highly recommend Ubuntu. :D
[04:09] <lil_anthony> techn9ne: is there some kinda commmand to enable disable php? cause when i load index.php it wants to save instead of actually loading
[04:09] <DigiKill> yeah...i orderd Ubuntu like 3 weeks ago
[04:09] <DigiKill> just keep on waitin for it
[04:09] <DigiKill> :<
[04:10] <DigiKill> perhaps even 4 weeks ago
[04:10] <regeya> natex: where did you get these instructions?  from the libdvdread3 docs?
[04:10] <arctick> maybe fink could run the install? i dont know much about fink, you would have to mount the iso though, i dont know how to do that in linux
[04:11] <regeya> natex: if you're trying to use totem-gstreamer, you'll need some plugins...lemme look...
[04:11] <natex> regeya: from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/view?searchterm=dvd%20playback
[04:11] <regeya> make sure you have gstreamer0.8-dvd installed, of course...
[04:12] <natex> regeya: affirmative
[04:12] <regeya> natex: gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec?
[04:13] <natex> regeya: nope, lemme try that
[04:14] <regeya> luckily I still have Empire Strikes Back right here
[04:14] <natex> :)
[04:14] <usual> I just tried in hoary
[04:14] <usual> didn't play
[04:14] <usual> Totem could not play dvd://
[04:16] <techn9ne> lil_anthony : did you setup your httpd.conf file to tell it to parse php files?
[04:17] <lil_anthony> no i was tryign to follow that documentation but obviously i'm missing some steps
[04:17] <techn9ne> add type or something
[04:18] <lil_anthony> well let met look at it again (getting confused :( )
[04:19] <techn9ne> its something like add type : php, php3
[04:19] <techn9ne> and you direct it to your php binary
[04:19] <lil_anthony> ok
[04:19] <techn9ne> it tells it to take things w/ php send it to php then take output and send to browser
[04:19] <lil_anthony> ill try
[04:19] <natex> regeya:  gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec did not help
[04:19] <techn9ne> i cant remember i havnt had to do this manually in a while
[04:20] <techn9ne> in this rpm and deb based world...
[04:20] <lil_anthony> well i installed the deb package
[04:20] <lil_anthony> just don't know where all the stuff went but i will find it
[04:20] <techn9ne> ive never done it on debian just redhat
[04:20] <techn9ne> /etc/httpd.conf i think
[04:20] <techn9ne> or just search for it
[04:20] <techn9ne> find / |grep httpd.conf
[04:21] <natex> regeya: "mount" shows dvd as type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=natex); think this may be a problem?
[04:21] <lil_anthony> yeah was fixing to do that
[04:21] <usual> natex, I just did a apt-get install gstreamer0.8*
[04:21] <techn9ne> after you change stuff you gotta restart apache
[04:21] <usual> natex, nothing helped
[04:21] <techn9ne> service httpd restart
[04:21] <natex> usual: bleh
[04:22] <techn9ne> ubuntu is a gui dist. you might get more help in apache or debian
[04:22] <wasabi_> /etc/init.d/service restart
[04:23] <natex> I installed mplayer too, but ubuntu package fails at startup...
[04:23] <usual> yea
[04:23] <usual> segfaultd
[04:23] <natex> what in the funk...
[04:24] <usual> natex, totem-gstreamer opens the dvd files
[04:24] <usual> but wont launch the dvd
[04:24] <natex> usual: meaning totem-gstreamer can play your .VOB files?
[04:24] <usual> yes
[04:25] <techn9ne> is there a debian equiv of : ntsysv ?
[04:25] <natex> usual: hmmm, I get an error when totem is directed to launch .VOBs
[04:25] <techn9ne> or how do modify services
[04:26] <natex> maybe my libdvdcss is not being used
[04:27] <regeya> y'know, natex, as much as I hate to say it, if you want to use totem to play DVDs, I suggest totem-xine.  It conflicts with both totem-gstreamer and ubuntu-desktop, but in theory that's not a problem.
[04:27] <natex> regeya: yes, I'm debating. what is ubuntu desktop?
[04:28] <regeya> convenience package
[04:28] <regeya>  This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu desktop system
[04:28] <epotash> does anyone know which type of mouse to select in xorg configuration for an ibm thinkpad?
[04:29] <natex> regeya: I'm debating
[04:29] <farruinn> natex, there is no harm in install ubuntu-desktop
[04:29] <farruinn> er, removing
[04:29] <lil_anthony> well i uncommented the two lines for php4 in the httpd.conf file and then i /etc/init.d/apache restart but same thing
[04:29] <lil_anthony> wants to save php instead of load it
[04:29] <regeya> gah.  automounting is interfering with dvd playback.
[04:29] <regeya> I think.
[04:30] <natex> usual: can you tell me what "mount" says for your /dev/$dvd
[04:30] <regeya> ah, that's a lad, totem: play me some Empire!
[04:33] <william1> hello all
[04:34] <punkrockguy318> how do i remove a package and it's unwanted dependencies?
[04:35] <farruinn> punkrockguy318, get deborphan
[04:35] <kleedrac> Weird problem ... when I first installed I was able to browse my local smb network no problem (for user I entered "none" and no passwd) but now I can't seem to get in?  From fresh boot I am able to see the machines on the network but once I try to get into a share it won't come up and then I can't even see any of the computers!!
[04:35] <farruinn> it will find packages that were brought in by dependencies but aren't needed anymore
[04:35] <hell> is it possible for me to change gnome to fluxbox
[04:35] <usual> natex, if you get it working plz let me know
[04:36] <natex> usual: ok. I'm trying totem-xine....
[04:36] <punkrockguy318> farruinn, okay, nwo what
[04:36] <usual> natex, totem-xine works fine
[04:36] <farruinn> just run deborphan and it will get tell you the libraries that are no longer needed
[04:37] <punkrockguy318> none of them are showing up :-\
[04:37] <farruinn> punkrockguy318, have you removed the other package yet?
[04:37] <punkrockguy318> yeah
[04:37] <punkrockguy318> nvm, got it
[04:37] <punkrockguy318> thanks
[04:38] <farruinn> yup
[04:38] <kleedrac> Anyone else having issues like this with smb networks?
[04:39] <K-otiK> is there a way to copy a dvd to my hd?
[04:40] <kleedrac> K-otiK: cat :)
[04:40] <ultrafunk> K-otiK: try vobcopy (no ubuntu package available, but the debian package seems to work fine)
[04:41] <natex> usual: seems I'm out of luck. Even totem-xine hates me.
[04:41] <usual> totem-xine works fine
[04:41] <farruinn> natex, maybe gxine
[04:41] <usual> natex, just install the libdvdcss2 or whatever it is
[04:42] <kleedrac> I'm the only one here who has to fight with smb shares?
[04:42] <natex> usual: I have, first thing
[04:44] <natex> usual: /var/log/messages is saying "kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x54
[04:44] <natex> "
[04:44] <natex> kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 6319476
[04:44] <natex> usual: I don't thinglibdvdcss2 isntalled properly
[04:47] <farruinn> what package has xlib.h?
[04:48] <JDahl> use apt-cache search xlib.h
[04:49] <farruinn> woah, broken depends in warty?
[04:52] <natex> damn, different DVD, same problem.
[04:53] <farruinn> oops, I had some pinning shit that I didn't want
[04:59] <geppy|asleep> grip died.  I tried 'pgrep grip | xargs killall -9', but it's returning '15808: no process killed'
[05:01] <geppy|asleep> How do you kill a runaway grip?
[05:01] <JDahl> anyone remember what package gives BLAS manpages? they're not in blas-doc
[05:02] <Se7h> INFO: Initializing Audio...
[05:02] <Se7h> *ERROR*: Init Audio (Mixer): failed # No available audio device
[05:02] <Se7h> INFO: Shutting down...
[05:02] <Se7h> cant run criticalmass
[05:02] <Se7h> :|
[05:03] <stuNNed> geppy|asleep, ps aux|grep -i grip then killall -9 grip_whatever ?
[05:05] <geppy> stuNNed:  That returns that the pid is 15808, and the name is 'grip'.  Trying to kill grip doesn't return anything, and trying to kill the pid returns "15808: no process killed"
[05:05] <stuNNed> geppy, if you have bash_completion turned on what happens to 'killall gr<tab completion>'
[05:06] <golpira> ps aufx | grep grip | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill -9
[05:07] <lukins> question about compiler settings...
[05:07] <geppy> stuNNed:  tab-completion doesn't seem to do the trick for that.
[05:07] <geppy> golpira:  That doesn't return anything, and grip is still there.
[05:07] <stuNNed> geppy, with bash completion it does
[05:07] <ficusplanet> I was just reading some things about NetworkManager on the wiki.  What exactly is the problem with it?  What will be in hoary instead of it?
[05:08] <lukins> does march=pentium4 mean that pentium 11,111 also see benefits?
[05:08] <geppy> stuNNed:  How do you turn that on?  I'd assumed that I have it on, as when I start to type a folder name, filename, or program name, I can autocomplete.
[05:10] <stuNNed> geppy, check end of /etc/bash.bashrc
[05:11] <stuNNed> geppy, it's like tab completion extended
[05:11] <geppy> stuNNed:  Cool, thanks.
[05:11] <geppy> stuNNed:  Still not killing it, though.
[05:12] <stuNNed> geppy, is it zombied process?
[05:12] <geppy> stuNNed:  I've no idea.  It's not showing up in 'top.'  How do I check?
[05:13] <stuNNed> geppy, if you ps aux|grep -i grip and it should something like STAT Z or S
[05:13] <geppy> geppy    15808  0.1  1.8 40968 17172 ?       D    20:49   0:09 grip
[05:14] <stuNNed> ok so what does D mean?
[05:14] <stuNNed> that is the state
[05:14] <geppy> stuNNed:  I've no idea.  Where would I look it up?
[05:15] <stuNNed> geppy, man ps?
[05:15] <geppy> ooh
[05:15] <geppy> Yeah, that's where I am.
[05:15] <geppy> "D    Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)"
[05:15] <stuNNed> geppy, if it does stuff like that and not in use i'd use another program for whatever you need that for, imho
[05:15] <ricardo> .
[05:16] <jmhodges> hey whats the pkg that gives the Printing icon in the Actions menu in hoary?
[05:16] <jmhodges> i've somehow lost it heh
[05:16] <geppy> stuNNed:  So, there's nothing that I can do about it?  Grip crashes on every third CD;  at this point, it's going to take _forever_ for me to rip my CD collection.  Perhaps I'll just rip it in Knoppix.  =/
[05:16] <|QuaD-> how do i clear my dns?
[05:17] <stuNNed> geppy, i use 'rip' to rip stuff from cd
[05:17] <|QuaD-> cache
[05:17] <stuNNed> geppy, though it's command line based
[05:17] <jmhodges> |QuaD-: cat /dev/null > /etc/resolv.conf
[05:17] <|QuaD-> jmhodges: thanks
[05:17] <stuNNed> geppy, or sound juicer
[05:17] <geppy> stuNNed:  Does rip do cddb and flac?
[05:17] <stuNNed> geppy, yes
[05:17] <geppy> Hmm....
[05:18] <geppy> stuNNed:  So, it'd let me query CDDB, and then input the data into vorbis comments?
[05:19] <jmhodges> anyone got a clue as to the printing thing?
[05:20] <jmhodges> ah, gnome-cups-manager, duh
[05:27] <Tsjoklat> got it fixed jmhodges?
[05:27] <zenwhen> ubhuti where be all the cool kids?
[05:27] <ubhuti> all the cool kids are in #ubuntuforums of course! :D
[05:27] <zenwhen> lol
[05:32] <JDahl> someone else in the US still waiting for the CDs?
[05:32] <farruinn> me
[05:32] <farruinn> I ordered ages ago
[05:32] <JDahl> ok, I was just wondering if I screwed up my online order
[05:40] <geppy> how do you kill a process in the "D" state?
[05:41] <Amroc> lamont, you lurking in here?
[05:46] <BeanDip> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-menus_2.9.2cvs041212-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[05:46] <BeanDip>  trying to overwrite `/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu', which is also in package kdelibs-data
[05:46] <BeanDip> anyone else have that problem in hoary?
[05:46] <BeanDip> I can't figure out how to fix it
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> BeanDip did you do an update?
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> there is a new kdelibs out
[05:47] <BeanDip> yes I did do an update, and I'm not using kde
[05:49] <farruinn> BeanDip, did you ever have kdelibs-data installed?
[05:50] <farruinn> it may have been a dependency for something you installed
[05:51] <JDahl> BeanDip, yes my hoary was broken also... I had to manually remove kdelibs + friends to fix gnome
[05:52] <pepsi_> whorey
[05:54] <zenwhen> hi all
[05:55] <zenwhen> :)
[05:55] <gen> fix my computer
[05:55] <zenwhen> haha
[05:55] <zenwhen> who are you, seriously?
[05:55] <gen> bill nye
[05:55] <gen> the science guy
[05:55] <zenwhen> lol
[06:03] <lil_anthony> has anyoen here setup php4 and apache2 ? if so can i get some help please for some reason i cna't get phps to load they only wish to save
[06:04] <gen> lil flip
[06:04] <lil_anthony> flip?
[06:05] <snerfu> you have a load statement in httpd.conf for php4?
[06:05] <DonL> This thing rocks! I can't believe that after only two days I'm so far ahead with it.
[06:05] <lil_anthony> yeah
[06:06] <lil_anthony> when i get a 404 it shows php4 in there
[06:06] <snerfu> hmmm
[06:06] <gen> lil flip
[06:06] <lil_anthony> its like the mime type is not right or something
[06:06] <gen> lil flip can i have your autograph
[06:07] <housetier> lil_anthony do you have "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php"?
[06:07] <lil_anthony> yes
[06:07] <housetier> have you restarted apache2
[06:07] <lil_anthony> yes
[06:07] <housetier> have you restarted your browser as well?
[06:08] <lil_anthony> no
[06:08] <lil_anthony> let me try that
[06:08] <lil_anthony> didn't know that mattered
[06:09] <snerfu> hmmm cache maybe
[06:09] <gen> ohhh it's zenwhen, can i have your autograph
[06:09] <lil_anthony> not working
[06:09] <lil_anthony> don't know what i don't have set but it looks at php as a file
[06:09] <lil_anthony> as if it doesn't recognize the type
[06:10] <fulvioo> crossing fingers for dist-upgrade runs nicelly here
[06:11] <DonL> I just came over from another distro, and the only problems I have is a floppy drive that doesn't recognize anything I put in it, and a network printer hooked up to an XP that doenst work
[06:11] <|QuaD-> DonL: what distro
[06:11] <|QuaD-> what os
[06:12] <|QuaD-> grr
[06:12] <|QuaD-> warty or hoary
[06:12] <DonL> Fedora 2 and 3
[06:12] <lil_anthony> any ideas?
[06:12] <DonL> I'm on Warty
[06:12] <|QuaD-> DonL: did you mount your a drive?
[06:12] <|QuaD-> grr
[06:12] <|QuaD-> floppy drive
[06:12] <DonL> I managed to drag and drop something onto the desktop, then on to an app
[06:12] <|QuaD-> (i haven't used a floppy drive in like 5 years)
[06:13] <DonL> I distro sees it
[06:13] <snerfu> One sec lil_anthony
[06:13] <DonL> Yeh. I think macs don't even have them
[06:13] <|QuaD-> DonL: you might want to try mounting it
[06:13] <lil_anthony> ok th anks
[06:13] <calamari> hi
[06:13] <DonL> You mean (on no) type something?
[06:13] <|QuaD-> hehe yeah
[06:14] <calamari> any ideas why gksu would freeze up ?
[06:14] <snerfu>  AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml
[06:14] <snerfu> Do you have a line like that?
[06:14] <lil_anthony> go to flood and i will paste exactly what i have in /etc/apache2/http.conf
[06:15] <fulvioo> http://nopaste.php.cd/
[06:15] <fulvioo> this is more useful
[06:15] <lil_anthony> ok then ill go there
[06:15] <DonL> My biggest thing right now is not the floppy. I would really like the printer to work though. It worked in Fedora, so it should work now
[06:16] <|QuaD-> DonL: those are the only 2 devices i don't use, but one step at a time
[06:16] <|QuaD-> i can probably help you with the floppy
[06:16] <|QuaD-> first mount it
[06:16] <DonL> If I go to network, it shows me the other two computers, along with their shared files. I can get into them
[06:17] <DonL> I will try that QuaD. I'm used to self mounting..
[06:17] <DonL> ... but I can't find the printer.
[06:17] <DonL> If I go to the network set up, it says I havent got Samba happening yet!
[06:17] <|QuaD-> DonL: i have no idea about the printer... so you will handle the floppy drive from here? or do you still need me to walk you throuhg it
[06:17] <lil_anthony> http://paste.phpfi.com/41033
[06:18] <DonL> Please, QuaD
[06:19] <DonL> I would appreciate the help with the floppy
[06:19] <|QuaD-> DonL: sudo mkdir /mnt/floppy
[06:19] <|QuaD-> sudo /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[06:19] <|QuaD-> try that
[06:20] <|QuaD-> i think fd0 is floppydisk
[06:20] <DonL> I'm trying something..
[06:20] <|QuaD-> ok
[06:21] <aokaze> xuxa:  I am curious if you could answer a question.  or someone else.  You wouldnt happen to know how to get full keyboard support for a 109 Japanese keyboard on linux would you?  I can only type the english characters and not the others.
[06:23] <DonL> QuaD, I just stuck something in the drive and opened the gui app and it showed up. Now I want to close it, and it doesn't want to close.
[06:23] <DonL> Do I have to use command line for this as well?
[06:24] <DonL> The window with the drives in it is unresponsive.
[06:24] <|QuaD-> DonL: did you use the automounting or did you do the code i told you?
[06:24] <|QuaD-> i don't know much about the gui and mounting
[06:24] <DonL> I used your code
[06:24] <|QuaD-> i tend to mount most drives by hand
[06:24] <|QuaD-> oh
[06:25] <calamari> a friend of mine rebooted and now he cant open a root terminal or run any system tool apps that require a password.  can anyone help me get him back to normal?
[06:25] <|QuaD-> then do sudo umount /mnt/fd0
[06:25] <|QuaD-> grr
[06:25] <|QuaD-> not that
[06:25] <DonL> You know, if I knew more, I would too
[06:25] <|QuaD-> sudo umount /mnt/floppy
[06:25] <|QuaD-> or whatever folder in /mnt we mounted to
[06:25] <DonL> Ok
[06:26] <DonL> not found it says
[06:26] <lil_anthony> any ideas?
[06:26] <DonL> There is a kill switch somewhere, isn't there?
[06:27] <|QuaD-> DonL: not found?
[06:27] <|QuaD-> DonL: are there files on the disk?
[06:27] <DonL> Yes there are files there.
[06:27] <DonL> Should I take the disk out?
[06:27] <|QuaD-> no
[06:28] <|QuaD-> type ls /mnt/floppy
[06:28] <|QuaD-> what happens
[06:28] <DonL> ok
[06:28] <|QuaD-> what does it say (jsut tell me if it lists the files)
[06:28] <DonL> doesn't list the files
[06:28] <|QuaD-> ok.... type the sudo mount /dev..... as from before
[06:29] <DonL> doesn't return anything
[06:29] <|QuaD-> what doesn't?
[06:29] <DonL> just a blank line
[06:29] <snerfu> ls /media/floppy0
[06:29] <DonL> ok
[06:29] <|QuaD-> snerfu: is that how ubuntu  handles it?
[06:29] <snerfu> yeah
[06:29] <snerfu> cdrom and floppy
[06:30] <DonL> Now it reports what's in it
[06:30] <snerfu> its supposedly the new way
[06:30] <aokaze> Thanks everyone!!!  My scanner works!
[06:31] <|QuaD-> snerfu: hehe... i rely on the internet too much
[06:31] <DonL> ackaze, you actually got a scanner working?? Great
[06:32] <DonL> I've got an old parellel port pass-through model that only works on my son's Win 98
[06:32] <aokaze> dunno if printing does too.  hey at least it scans better then it does on XP.  XP has no driver support for that scanner.  If I try on XP it comes realy dark
[06:32] <DonL> Won't work on my wife's XP or any of my many Linux variants
[06:33] <DonL> Is yours a USB scanner?
[06:33] <aokaze> WiFi
[06:33] <DonL> Oh
[06:34] <aokaze> plane 802.11 not 802.11a or b just 802.11 with frequency hopping
[06:34] <aokaze> printer didnt originaly come with that though it came with a serial/parallel card on it
[06:35] <|QuaD-> aokaze: doesn't it have to be a,b,g,etc?
[06:35] <DonL> Ahh
[06:35] <snerfu> DonL, is your floppy working? wasn't quite sure.
[06:35] <aokaze> a,b,g,etc are all after the unlabled 802.11
[06:35] <DonL> Well, I think I'm used to another system, and have to get used to this one...
[06:36] <aokaze> 802.11a,b, ect wont communicate with the card
[06:36] <|QuaD-> aokaze: do you have a link to the card?
[06:36] <DonL> For some reason, the distro doesn't seem to know what to do with some file types. I'll have to sort that
[06:36] <|QuaD-> ie webpage
[06:36] <aokaze> you can ping it with 802.11a and b but cannot connect with thoes
[06:37] <DonL> snerfu, thanks for asking
[06:37] <DonL> |QuaD, thanks for your help
[06:37] <aokaze> no I dont.  I got it with a whole bunch of spectrum wireless network stuff
[06:37] <DonL> I'm going now to see if I can figure some things out.
[06:37] <snerfu> Happy to help
[06:37] <DonL> I'll be back....
[06:38] <aokaze> although I dont see many 1watt wireless cards anywhere that I know of
[06:38] <aokaze> other then spectrum 24
[06:40] <DonL> I had to come back for a second to tell you this. Too funny...
[06:40] <DonL> There was an error window tucked behind an open window that I had to respond to...
[06:41] <DonL> Not that that hasn't happend before, mind you
[06:41] <DonL> lol
[06:41] <DonL> Night now..
[06:44] <hemphill> Does anyone perchance know what the Xfree86 development package is called in Ubuntu?
[06:48] <RuffianSoldier> beandip
[06:48] <tolstoy> didn't applications:/// used to work in nautilus?  it's been awhile...
[06:48] <tolstoy> (hoary)
[06:50] <tolstoy> want to remove a duplicate evolution menu item: in case it's one I put there and not a bug.
[06:55] <happyhobo> hi folks
[06:57] <crimsun> 'lo
[06:58] <happyhobo> anyone know anything about dialup on ubuntu?
[07:00] <techn9ne> how do i change the name of my computer?
[07:01] <happyhobo> don't know
[07:01] <crimsun> techn9ne: `hostname'
[07:02] <techn9ne> crimsun: thanks
[07:03] <happyhobo> crimsun i have a hardware pcmcia modem mepis recognized
[07:04] <happyhobo> wvdial on ubuntu recognizes it but the network config will not activate it
[07:04] <crimsun> happyhobo: I'm not that familiar w/ wvdial; have you consulted the wiki?
[07:05] <happyhobo> thanks
[07:10] <BeanDip> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-menus_2.9.2cvs041212-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:10] <ironwolf> Is there a known issue with AIM and chatrooms under GAIM?
[07:10] <BeanDip>  trying to overwrite `/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu', which is also in package kdelibs-data
[07:10] <BeanDip> Anyone know how to fix that?
[07:10] <BeanDip> I'm in hoary
[07:13] <melazyboy> BeanDip: Try reinstalling it...
[07:14] <Tsjoklat> did you update BeanDip?
[07:14] <Tsjoklat> I asked you before but I got disco
[07:14] <Tsjoklat> and hi melazyboy
[07:15] <melazyboy> whats up Tsjoklat
[07:16] <Tsjoklat> the sky melazyboy :) with you?
[07:16] <BeanDip> I've done an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[07:16] <BeanDip> I keep getting the same message
[07:16] <Tsjoklat> BeanDip do you want to go totally to kde?
[07:16] <BeanDip> I've tried removing the file it was having problems replaccing
[07:16] <melazyboy> BeanDip: Are you getting that error any time you try to run dpkg or apt?
[07:17] <BeanDip> Tsjoklat, I don't have kde installed
[07:17] <BeanDip> only k3b
[07:17] <BeanDip> I'm about to try removing it
[07:17] <Tsjoklat> BeanDip so you need the libs for k3b? or are you trying to remove k3b?
[07:17] <Tsjoklat> BeanDip you probably have menu and menux-xdg installed... did you try to uninstall that?
[07:18] <BeanDip> melazyboy: yes I am
[07:18] <BeanDip> I can't even uninstall k3b
[07:18] <Tsjoklat> BeanDip did you search for menu and/or menu-xdg?
[07:19] <melazyboy> BeanDip: is that to say that if you try to remove Gaim entirly you will get the same message before the remove sequence is started?
[07:19] <BeanDip> melazybo2, yes
[07:19] <Tsjoklat> well I'll just keep talking to myself
[07:19] <BeanDip> Tsjoklat, I have none of what you are asking about installed
[07:19] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: you can talk to me!
[07:19] <melazyboy> BeanDip: Try cleaning your archive, there is a command to do it one sec, i suggest that because the problem is located in /var/cache and it could be corrupt
[07:19] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD :)
[07:20] <BeanDip> sudo apt-get clean
[07:20] <|QuaD-> :) though i might not be fun to talk to because I am currently writing my thesis proposal
[07:20] <melazyboy> there
[07:20] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD about what?
[07:20] <melazyboy> apt-get clean =D
[07:21] <Tsjoklat> you'll lose all your .debs though.. have to re-download everything you ever d/l
[07:21] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: my thesis is on Location Detection using an algorithm called belief propagation
[07:21] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD ... and is that eatable?
[07:21] <Tsjoklat>  b
[07:21] <melazyboy> i love ebay.
[07:22] <melazyboy> just bought a charger and swivel clip for phone for 98 cents
[07:22] <melazyboy> so pwn
[07:22] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: clearly.... its a theory more than than actual thing :)
[07:22] <melazyboy> anyone here read e-paranoids?
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD and will you be something after you are finished?
[07:23] <melazyboy> e-paranoids is filling the gap that about.com is leaving
[07:23] <zenwhen> hey melazyboy
[07:23] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: I am not something now????? i am hurt!
[07:23] <melazyboy> sup zen
[07:23] <zenwhen> come to #ubuntuforums
[07:23] <zenwhen> :)
[07:23] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: why don't you just let people talk in here
[07:24] <Tsjoklat> you are |QuaD now.. but perhaps you will be dr. |Quad?
[07:24] <zenwhen> because its a forums based chan, and because when ops are in here its pretty strictly a support channel. Not that theres anything wrong with that.
[07:25] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: i wish.... i will be |Quad, BS
[07:25] <|QuaD-> hehe
[07:25] <|QuaD-> i am an undergrad
[07:25] <|QuaD-> just ambitious
[07:25] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD and then you go for your MS?
[07:25] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: probably not in EE
[07:25] <|QuaD-> but maybe MBA or MS in CS
[07:26] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD got a long stretch ahead huh :)
[07:26] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: i am going out into the work force
[07:26] <|QuaD-> not going for advanced degrees yet.... you know anyone hiring EE/Computer Systems Engineer/CS majors?
[07:27] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD which country?
[07:27] <|QuaD-> US
[07:27] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD what part? :P
[07:27] <crimsun> US may not be the best place to look
[07:27] <crimsun> I'm considering overseas myself
[07:27] <aokaze> what is recommended for printing?  CUPS, LPD, LPRng, PPR, PDQ?
[07:27] <|QuaD-> now... Boston... wouldn't mind anywhere in the Northeast or west coast
[07:27] <Tsjoklat> hewo crimsun
[07:28] <Tsjoklat> UK got plenty of jobs
[07:28] <crimsun> hewwo Tsjoklat
[07:28] <|QuaD-> hehe... i like america :)
[07:28] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD no jobs though :)
[07:28] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD I would forget the west coast
[07:29] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: hehe i know... but those are the 2 places i like
[07:29] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD east would be my suggestion
[07:30] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: i am just looking everywhere
[07:30] <|QuaD-> just sending out my resume
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD look east... :) or further east to the UK
[07:30] <|QuaD-> saying "pick me pick me"
[07:30] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: i can move to india for the outsourcing
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD do you like your kidneys?
[07:31] <|QuaD-> lol
[07:31] <|QuaD-> i wouldn't survive a day there
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD no you wouldn't heheh
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD where are you now?
[07:31] <|QuaD-> hehe... i wouldn't survive anyplace that the primary language isn't english
[07:31] <|QuaD-> boston
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD it is the primary language lol...
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD Cananda?
[07:32] <|QuaD-> i coudl do canada
[07:33] <|QuaD-> ay matey
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD there you go eh
[07:34] <|QuaD-> :)
[07:34] <RuffianSoldier> anyone want to help me down a 5th of everclear?
[07:35] <zenwhen> i would
[07:35] <zenwhen> but theres no telling where in the world you are
[07:35] <RuffianSoldier> heh
[07:35] <zenwhen> lol
[07:35] <RuffianSoldier> Ohio
[07:36] <zenwhen> oh snap
[07:36] <zenwhen> Kentucky
[07:36] <crimsun> that explains why you're downing Everclear.
[07:36] <RuffianSoldier> hell ya
[07:36] <RuffianSoldier> northern kentucky?
[07:36] <zenwhen> Where in Ohio.
[07:36] <zenwhen> Central.
[07:36] <zenwhen> where are you in OH?
[07:36] <RuffianSoldier> im in the Dayton area
[07:36] <RuffianSoldier> SouthWest
[07:36] <crimsun> =)
[07:36] <ficusplanet> Does anyone know if beagle will be in hoary - at least in universe?
[07:37] <zenwhen> theres a couple other Ubuntu users in our area
[07:37] <crimsun> ficusplanet: too early to tell. Currently it's not.
[07:37] <zenwhen> We should all get blasted one day
[07:37] <zenwhen> lol
[07:38] <melazyboy> I live in texas, the primary language is spanish
[07:39] <|QuaD-> lftp and plain ftp give me two different speeds to a site, (lftp=>20Kb/S, ftp=>500Kb/s) any suggestions as to why
[07:48] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: what do you think?
[07:49] <|QuaD-> crimsun: ?
[07:49] <|QuaD-> anyone ;)
[07:51] <crimsun> 20 kb/s or 20 kB/s?
[07:51] <crimsun> (same for 500)
[07:51] <|QuaD-> byte
[07:51] <|QuaD-> B
[07:52] <Se7h> does anyone knows if VIA Unichrome supports OpenGL ?
[07:53] <crimsun> |QuaD-: lftp supports limiting; are you using it?
[07:54] <crimsun> |QuaD-: furthermore, does a bandwidth monitor such as bmon corroborate your observations?
[07:58] <Se7h> quoting from a forum
[07:58] <Se7h> "since everything is working so fine up to now, i can even stop downloading those fedora core 3 isos ;)"
[07:59] <Se7h> "Great to hear! Ubuntu is a great distro, especially for it's first release."
[07:59] <Se7h> :)
[07:59] <Se7h> bdale nice ;)
[08:00] <RuffianSoldier> hi will
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> will you do me a favore will?
[08:02] <RuffianSoldier> will you change your name from will to something else will? cuz it tempts me to say dumb stuff using the word "will", so will you will?
[08:05] <crimsun> bdale: excellent.
[08:06] <Se7h> RuffianSoldier LOL
[08:06] <RuffianSoldier> :-)
[08:06] <Se7h> will will change?
[08:06] <Se7h> P
[08:07] <Se7h> tempting indeed
[08:07] <Se7h> lol
[08:07] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[08:07] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[08:09] <Se7h> hmm
[08:09] <Se7h> will will willing to it
[08:09] <Se7h> lol ok i shut up
[08:10] <Se7h> im trying to get some info on opengl coding
[08:11] <RuffianSoldier> goodnight
[08:13] <yorkomo> hrm
[08:13] <yorkomo> this is getting frustrating
[08:13] <yorkomo> I cannot seem to install the right packages to get totem to playback mp3s or media files
[08:14] <crimsun> yorkomo: did you enable 'universe' and add the "totem-xine" package?
[08:15] <crimsun> yorkomo: or possibly "gstreamer0.8-mad" if you use rhythmbox?
[08:15] <yorkomo> when you say enable universe... you meaN in synaptic?
[08:15] <crimsun> yorkomo: yes (or directly into /etc/apt/sources.list by hand)
[08:15] <Synek> hi all
[08:15] <crimsun> 'lo Synek
[08:15] <yorkomo> crimsun, I am such a newbie at this
[08:15] <yorkomo> please bear with me
[08:16] <yorkomo> I did followed the wiki to add the multiverse to synaptic
[08:16] <yorkomo> I don't see totem-xine as an installable package
[08:16] <crimsun> ok, you also need to add 'universe'
[08:16] <peppo> is there a netinst for amd64?
[08:16] <crimsun> I don't think there are any netinsts, peppo.
[08:17] <yorkomo> when you say add universe, I don't understand
[08:17] <crimsun> one sec, I need to install Synaptic :)
[08:17] <yorkomo> you mean in the section
[08:17] <yorkomo> I add one for multiverse and one for universe?
[08:17] <yorkomo> is that what you are telling me to do?
[08:18] <crimsun> since you've already added multiverse, all you need to do is add universe and Update
[08:18] <yorkomo> do I need to make a seperate repository or in the Section can I just type "multiverse universe"
[08:18] <yorkomo> ?
[08:19] <aokaze> whats the menu update command?
[08:20] <crimsun> yorkomo: do you have Synaptic open currently?
[08:20] <crimsun> aokaze: for what application?
[08:21] <yorkomo> yes
[08:21] <yorkomo>  Depends: libxine1 but it is not installable
[08:21] <aokaze> windowmaker
[08:21] <yorkomo> crimsun, I think I got it to update
[08:21] <Orcrist> yorkomo, you just hit reload and it will redownload the databse
[08:21] <yorkomo> but now I cannot install it because I don't have one of the dependencies :(
[08:21] <peppo> getting no more than 12 kB/s from any of the Ubuntu mirrors. does anyone know of a swedish/scandinavian mirror?
[08:21] <Se7h> yorkomo have u tried totem-xine
[08:21] <Se7h> ?
[08:22] <yorkomo> Se7h, same error :(
[08:22] <Se7h> error ?
[08:23] <yorkomo> totem-xine:
[08:23] <yorkomo>  Depends: libxine1 but it is not installable
[08:23] <Se7h> synaptic ->  totem-xine
[08:23] <crimsun> yorkomo: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/
[08:23] <Se7h> suynaptic takes care of dependecies
[08:24] <yorkomo> crimsun, thank you, but I think I got it
[08:24] <yorkomo> Se7h, right, it does, but not apparently if it cannot find libxine1 in the list of installable packages
[08:24] <Se7h> o.0
[08:24] <crimsun> libxine1 is in main for hoary, not sure what it is for warty
[08:25] <crimsun> could someone running warty run: `apt-cache policy libxine1' ?
[08:25] <Se7h> sure
[08:25] <Se7h> w8
[08:25] <Se7h> libxine1:
[08:25] <Se7h>   Installed: 1-rc5-1ubuntu2
[08:25] <Se7h>   Candidate: 1-rc5-1ubuntu2
[08:25] <Se7h>   Version Table:
[08:25] <Se7h>  *** 1-rc5-1ubuntu2 0
[08:25] <Se7h>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[08:25] <Se7h>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[08:26] <crimsun> yeah, I thought it was in main
[08:26] <Se7h> ;)
[08:26] <yorkomo> did I mess something up?
[08:26] <crimsun> yorkomo: click Reload
[08:26] <yorkomo> reloaded
[08:27] <Se7h> now serach it
[08:27] <Se7h> totem-xine
[08:27] <yorkomo> right
[08:27] <Se7h> or libxine1
[08:27] <Se7h> to make sure its there
[08:27] <yorkomo> I have it as an option to install
[08:27] <yorkomo> I cannot find libxine1
[08:28] <Se7h> thats odd
[08:28] <yorkomo> right
[08:28] <crimsun> yorkomo: please choose Settings>Repositories
[08:29] <yorkomo> ok
[08:29] <yorkomo> did that
[08:29] <Se7h> well, 7.30, time to bed...got to be up by 13h for the girl
[08:29] <Se7h> cya all
[08:29] <Se7h> *
[08:29] <crimsun> make sure you have 'main' 'restricted' 'universe' sections enabled for warty distribution
[08:29] <crimsun> ni Se7h
[08:29] <yorkomo> later Se7h
[08:30] <Se7h> ;)
[08:30] <yorkomo> crimsun,  there we are
[08:30] <yorkomo> now it has it
[08:30] <crimsun> good
[08:31] <yorkomo> I must have deleted libxine1 or something then huh?
[08:31] <crimsun> back in a few, retrieving laundry :)
[08:32] <yorkomo> thanks you Crim
[08:32] <yorkomo> crimsun*
[08:34] <aboutToUbuntu> well, I'm like 5 minutes away from switching from suse 9.1 to ubuntu. someone talk me out of it
[08:35] <yorkomo> *crickets*
[08:35] <peppo> can I install from a package archive mirror somehow?
[08:35] <yorkomo> I don't know what the suse community is like
[08:35] <yorkomo> but this one is great
[08:35] <aboutToUbuntu> yeah...
[08:35] <peppo> I'm getting extremely slow speeds from the official mirrors but have a package archive mirror nearby
[08:35] <aboutToUbuntu> any advice before i start?
[08:35] <yorkomo> aboutToUbuntu, well I am really new
[08:36] <yorkomo> as in I installed this sunday
[08:36] <yorkomo> and it is my first deviation from windows
[08:36] <aboutToUbuntu> no problems?
[08:36] <yorkomo> well, a few but none that I haven't gotten help with here
[08:36] <yorkomo> but as far as compatability problems or anything like that, no not really
[08:37] <yorkomo> I did have to get some developer packages so I could code in ubuntu as compilers and such are not included in the original release
[08:37] <aboutToUbuntu> ok. good. I always hate this.. because I feel like I'm going to forget to back something up, or screw something up somewhere
[08:37] <aboutToUbuntu> oh ok
[08:37] <aboutToUbuntu> well, i wont be coding for at least  a month
[08:38] <aboutToUbuntu> does anyone have an apache webserver going? does it come with the cd?
[08:42] <stratking> anyone have any luck getting a netgear wireless pci WG311 card
[08:43] <stratking> or now how to go about setting one up?
[09:00] <yorkomo> crimsun, are you still here?
[09:00] <|QuaD-> yorkomo: i am
[09:01] <yorkomo> do you know how I install codecs for totem?
[09:01] <yorkomo> I have audio on some movie files but no video
[09:01] <yorkomo> :/
[09:01] <Agrajag> install totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer
[09:01] <Tsjoklate> yorkomo from the merrilat rep
[09:01] <Tsjoklate> if you want the win32codecs
[09:01] <Tsjoklate> for mp3 you install gstreamer-mad
[09:02] <Tsjoklate> did you try totem-xine? works for most
[09:02] <yorkomo> Tsjoklate, yes, I did
[09:02] <yorkomo> but like I said, I get audio and no video
[09:02] <yorkomo> :/
[09:02] <Tsjoklate> yorkomo you could d/l the win32codecs... what sort of movies do you wish to play?
[09:02] <kleedrac> Anyone know how/where to go to add .wma support to xmms?
[09:03] <yorkomo> mpg
[09:03] <yorkomo> wmv
[09:03] <yorkomo> etc
[09:03] <yorkomo> all of them really
[09:03] <yorkomo> divx xvid yadda yadda
[09:03] <kleedrac> yorkomo: apt-get install xine
[09:04] <crimsun> yorkomo: so you installed libdvdcss2, w32codecs, totem-xine, and xine?
[09:05] <yorkomo> no, but now I will
[09:05] <yorkomo> thanks crimsun
[09:05] <yorkomo> and thanks Tsjoklate and kleedrac
[09:06] <kleedrac> np
[09:06] <kleedrac> So anyone know how to add wma support to xmms?
[09:06] <CerealKiller> would like some help setting up NAT
[09:07] <crimsun> kleedrac: you need to check out the avi-xmms module from xmms's cvs
[09:07] <crimsun> kleedrac: http://cvs.xmms.org/cvsweb.cgi/avi-xmms/
[09:07] <Tsjoklate> your welcome yorkomo
[09:08] <kleedrac> crimsun: Thanks ... my friends are fedora users who sent me xmms-wma.rpm which I can't seem to use :)
[09:08] <yorkomo> hrm, I cannot find just xine... do I want gnome-xine?
[09:08] <crimsun> kleedrac: well, the better (imo) alternative is to use w32codecs w/ mplayer
[09:08] <yorkomo> xine-ui?
[09:09] <kleedrac> mplayer is crashing on me for some reason
[09:09] <crimsun> yorkomo: xine-ui is fine
[09:09] <Tsjoklate> yorkomo you tried totem-xine already?
[09:09] <crimsun> yorkomo: though you'll probably want to use totem-xine as Tsjoklate suggests
[09:09] <Tsjoklate> totem-xine plus the codecs plus the libdvd thingy
[09:11] <yorkomo> yeah
[09:11] <yorkomo> thanks all
[09:11] <yorkomo> this is great
[09:12] <kleedrac> crimsun: mplayer gets as far as loading the /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf file then exits and tells me "Illegal Instruction"
[09:13] <Tsjoklate> working?
[09:13] <crimsun> kleedrac: what cpu do you have, and which mplayer binary package are you using?
[09:13] <|QuaD-> this bug about the 2 different speeds based on the ftp client is really bothering me
[09:13] <|QuaD-> can anyone else test it?
[09:13] <kleedrac> I apt-got mplayer and I'm running a Pentium III 900Mhz
[09:14] <kleedrac> Should I message you the full output?
[09:14] <kleedrac> Would that help?
[09:14] <crimsun> kleedrac: I'm afraid not. Any version of mplayer except for -k7* should work for your cpu
[09:14] <intinig> does a subversion gnome client exist?
[09:14] <kleedrac> crimsun: Hmmm ... I wonder why it does that?
[09:15] <will> best media player: VLC /get wxvlc) It plays everything!
[09:15] <|QuaD-> will: totem has caused me no troubles
[09:15] <|QuaD-> totem xine
[09:15] <crimsun> kleedrac: good question.
[09:15] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD same here.. totem-xine werkt geweldig
[09:15] <crimsun> intinig: I don't see one in warty or hoary
[09:15] <kleedrac> xine is working great for video and xmms works great for mp3's but some of my music is in .wma as my wife ripped it
[09:16] <will> xine is very good, with w32codecs
[09:16] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: heh.. never needed a wma file played
[09:16] <crimsun> intinig: however, there's always gsvn, as in http://gsvn.tigris.org/
[09:16] <will> but post processing with VLC is the way forward, it uses its own codecs (builtin)
[09:16] <kleedrac> Quad: consider yourself lucky :) worse quality than mp3 ... wish she'd learn to use oggenc that's why I installed it :)
[09:17] <crimsun> intinig: that project, however, seems deprecated.
[09:17] <intinig> what should I use then?
[09:17] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: is ogg open source?
[09:17] <kleedrac> Quad: absolutely
[09:17] <crimsun> all Ogg-based codecs are open source
[09:17] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: :)
[09:17] <Agrajag> BSDish license I think
[09:18] <kleedrac> Quad: http://www.vorbis.com/
[09:18] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: you are distracting me from my proposal!!!
[09:18] <crimsun> intinig: I can't recommend one offhand; try a Google search for such
[09:18] <kleedrac> Something like that ... but it's also better sound quality and compression vs just about anything but mod
[09:18] <kleedrac> Sorry Quad
[09:18] <|QuaD-> s'ok
[09:18] <|QuaD-> whats mod
[09:19] <kleedrac> Freakishly tiny (think x00Kb) files that sound amazing
[09:19] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD are you proposing to me?
[09:19] <kleedrac> Not sure how they're even made ... a friend attached a few as his email sig a few years back
[09:19] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: if you like :)
[09:20] <|QuaD-> i am proposing to whoever lets me write my thesis (and fund it)
[09:20] <kleedrac> What's the thesis on (not that I really want you to propose as I'm married but it'd be fun anyhow :) )
[09:20] <crimsun> |QuaD-: NSF and US Do*, then :)
[09:20] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD I would very much like to have at least one proposal in my life
[09:20] <Tsjoklate> lol
[09:21] <jiyuu0> Tsjoklat = Tsjoklat?
[09:21] <jiyuu0> Tsjoklat = Tsjoklate?
[09:21] <kleedrac> Let's all shower Quad with attention shall we? :)
[09:21] <Tsjoklate> ja Tsjoklat: warty Tsjoklate: hoary
[09:22] <jiyuu0> u go gal
[09:22] <Tsjoklate> testing hoary box out jiyuu0 and fishing for a proposal so it seems
[09:23] <jiyuu0> cool
[09:24] <kleedrac> So no one has any advise about xmms not playing wma's or mplayer's freakish instability? :)
[09:25] <Tsjoklate> kleedrac there is a thread on the wiki about that
[09:25] <crimsun> kleedrac: I'd really need strace output to debug mplayer
[09:25] <Tsjoklate> I don't have the link handy but do a bit of search
[09:25] <crimsun> the wiki sure is handy :)
[09:25] <kleedrac> Dang how do I strace to a file?
[09:26] <Tsjoklate> strace xmms
[09:26] <crimsun> kleedrac: -o
[09:26] <Tsjoklate> as the man said
[09:28] <kleedrac> Want me to email the output file or msg it to you?
[09:28] <crimsun> kleedrac: dcc is fine
[09:29] <crimsun> bzip2 the file first :)
[09:29] <Tsjoklate> use pastebin crimsun
[09:29] <Tsjoklate> easier
[09:30] <kleedrac> Wait a tic ... which archival util comes with ubuntu (show's you how much I use it :) )
[09:30] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: sorry was writing before.... what kind of proposal were you interested in
[09:30] <crimsun> Tsjoklate: (true, but strace output tends to be very verbose)
[09:30] <crimsun> kleedrac: file-roller?
[09:31] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD the moment past ... lol I'll stay single forever
[09:31] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: haha... i think i am going to also
[09:32] <|QuaD-> i change my mind too often
[09:32] <ironwolf> GAIM seems to kick me out of AOL chatrooms with consistently, but not any certain time index, and it won't allow me to re-join the same chatroom.  How can I diagnose this further to help get a fix?
[09:32] <crimsun> kleedrac: I don't think I'll be able to connect; your IP is a 192.168. :)
[09:32] <|QuaD-> ironwolf: that seems like something i owuld go to #gaim for
[09:33] <|QuaD-> i don't believe we have any gaim developers here
[09:33] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD would go to their website and see if anyone else has the same problems
[09:33] <ironwolf> |QuaD: been there...since it's running under ubuntu, was hoping for help here...No response there.
[09:34] <kleedrac> crimsun: file sending
[09:34] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: i would?
[09:34] <|QuaD-> ironwolf: nah, i would wait around, usually there are devs active, where you located (what country)
[09:34] <kleedrac> crimsun: you rejected it would you prefer an email?
[09:35] <Tsjoklate> too early yet ironwolf
[09:35] <intinig> anyone has experience with subversion here? I installed the package and the apache svn package. Now do I have to manually configure the rest or are there automated tools for the job?
[09:37] <ironwolf> |QuaD: sfbay.ca.usa
[09:37] <crimsun> kleedrac: I had to reject it because you're using an internal IP. I would never be able to establish a connection.
[09:38] <crimsun> kleedrac: try pasting the original (non-bzip2ed) version on a paste website (paste.plone.org, pastebin.com, etc.)
[09:38] <|QuaD-> ironwolf: when you wake up you should be fine
[09:38] <|QuaD-> (after you go to sleep)
[09:38] <crimsun> kleedrac: mostly I'm interested in the last part of the strace output
[09:39] <ironwolf> |QuaD: thanks...
[09:40] <aboutToUbuntu> so... where do i go to change the refresh rate on my monitor?
[09:41] <kleedrac> http://pastebin.com/129521
[09:41] <kleedrac> sorry
[09:42] <Tsjoklate> aboutToUbuntu computer - resolution
[09:42] <Tsjoklate> in hoary: System system settings screen resolution
[09:42] <ruebe> hi, moin
[09:42] <crimsun> kleedrac: hmm. What is the output of this command? dpkg -l mplayer\*|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $2}'
[09:43] <aboutToUbuntu> thanks. 'computer' is pretty important :)
[09:43] <kleedrac> mplayer-custom
[09:43] <kleedrac> mplayer-doc
[09:43] <kleedrac> mplayer-fonts
[09:43] <crimsun> kleedrac: ah, but you installed "mplayer-custom", which the wiki says will not work.
[09:44] <kleedrac> Oh?  I didn't even realize!  How do I correct this?
[09:44] <crimsun> kleedrac: remove mplayer-custom and install mplayer-586 instead
[09:45] <crimsun> kleedrac: the reason for the illegal instruction is quite simple: mplayer-custom is compiled with SSE2 support, which your Pentium III does not support
[09:45] <crimsun> kleedrac: your Pentium III (like mine) only supports MMX, MMX2, and SSE
[09:45] <kleedrac> heh ... man I didn't even realize ... I think that got installed during my upgrade to hoary
[09:46] <neoxed> can some one help me find my Video Card Drivers And Install them?
[09:46] <crimsun> neoxed: what video card?
[09:46] <neoxed> i dunno its onboard sis some thing
[09:46] <crimsun> neoxed: warty or hoary?
[09:46] <neoxed> warty i beleave
[09:47] <kleedrac> crimsun: You the man!!  Thanks very much!! Now I can convert these pesky wma's to oggs :)
[09:47] <crimsun> neoxed: please use a paste web site to paste the output of: lspci -v -s 01:00.0
[09:47] <crimsun> kleedrac: good to hear :)
[09:48] <neoxed> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  661FX/M661FX/M661MX/741/M741/760/M760 PCI/AGP (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[09:48] <neoxed>         Subsystem: Unknown device 1849:6331
[09:48] <neoxed>         Flags: 66MHz, medium devsel, IRQ 217
[09:48] <neoxed>         BIST result: 00
[09:48] <neoxed>         Memory at c0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable)
[09:48] <neoxed>         Memory at cfee0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] 
[09:48] <neoxed>         I/O ports at bc00 [size=128] 
[09:49] <neoxed>         Capabilities: <available only to root>
[09:51] <|QuaD-> neoxed: didn't i ask you yesterday not to paste in the channel
[09:51] <neoxed> i dunno
[09:51] <neoxed> i been trying to fix this up right so i tend to forget
[09:53] <|QuaD-> neoxed: do not do it again or i will ge nasty
[09:53] <|QuaD-> don't forget
[09:53] <crimsun> neoxed: thanks. Next time please read my entire request regarding a paste web site. :)
[09:53] <neoxed> systems download "don't forget.tex" 23kb
[09:54] <neoxed> ah :)
[09:54] <|QuaD-> crimsun: i think you should refuse to help him until he posts to a pastebin
[09:54] <crimsun> haha
[09:54] <neoxed> i dont know what a pastebin is
[09:54] <neoxed> X_X
[09:54] <crimsun> neoxed: paste.plone.org and pastebin.com are two examples
[09:54] <|QuaD-> neoxed: google
[09:55] <|QuaD-> i wouldn't be mad if i didn't explain this same thing to you yesterday
[09:55] <neoxed> http://pastebin.com/129522
[09:55] <neoxed> happy?
[09:55] <neoxed> that was prolly my brother man
[09:56] <crimsun> well, at least it's not $some_other_person_whose_nick_we_shall_not_mention(begins_with_g)
[09:56] <neoxed> hes been trying to help me fix linux up on my pc
[09:56] <|QuaD-> neoxed: ok, so before you forgot
[09:56] <|QuaD-> now its your brother?
[09:56] <|QuaD-> and then you comment on one of our regulars?
[09:57] <neoxed> thats why when u asked me didnt i tell you this yesterday i said i dunno
[09:57] <neoxed> comment?
[09:57] <crimsun> c'mon you two, it's not worth wasting breath/fingers over :)
[09:57] <|QuaD-> crimsun: he started it by being a moron
[09:57] <neoxed> i dont get it why ppl do this to me alot
[09:57] <neoxed> ima newbie
[09:57] <neoxed> thats all that needs to be said
[09:58] <neoxed> live and let live gezz
[09:58] <aboutToUbuntu> hey, I'm trying to update my '/etc/apt/sources.list' file, but the xserver wont open the display. anyone know how to bypass that?
[09:58] <crimsun> aboutToUbuntu: using what tool?
[09:58] <|QuaD-> neoxed: "newbie" does not mean you can break all the rules
[09:58] <Tsjoklate> ok everybody take a cookie and start anew
[09:58] <|QuaD-> aboutToUbuntu: do you use vim or gedit?
[09:59] <Tsjoklate> neoxed you might want to change nicks when somebody else is typing.. it might get confusing
[09:59] <aboutToUbuntu> i tried gedit and emacs
[09:59] <|QuaD-> i don't know how to use gedit as root (i tend to use vim for everything) but if you know vim, just type sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:59] <aboutToUbuntu> hmm...
[09:59] <kleedrac> crimsun: mplayer works but throws new errors about not being able to open video device and audio device :(
[09:59] <aboutToUbuntu> ok. I'll try. I'm really not very good with vim
[10:00] <|QuaD-> aboutToUbuntu: sudo emacs /etc/apt.... should also work
[10:00] <crimsun> kleedrac: I presume you're running mplayer from the command line in a terminal?
[10:00] <kleedrac> yup yup
[10:00] <crimsun> kleedrac: try `mplayer -ao esd somefile'
[10:01] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: is there a reason you don't use totem-xine?
[10:01] <aboutToUbuntu> QuaD, it says 'Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server'
[10:01] <kleedrac> Quad: I use xine for video I'm trying to use mplayer's ability to convert wma's as per http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77093&highlight=wma
[10:02] <aboutToUbuntu> the something about checking the DISPLAY environtment variable
[10:02] <|QuaD-> aboutToUbuntu: oh you are using xemacs
[10:02] <kleedrac> crimsun: That works great!!  But it spit that error on me for trying mplayer 01\ Heaven.wma -ao pcm -aofile heaven.wav
[10:03] <kleedrac> pcm is supposed to be the filewriter isn't it?
[10:03] <aboutToUbuntu> nope, just emacs. hmm...
[10:03] <|QuaD-> aboutToUbuntu: do you you use sudo or do you actually have a root acount?
[10:03] <|QuaD-> aboutToUbuntu: no its xemacs
[10:03] <|QuaD-> they call it emacs
[10:03] <aboutToUbuntu> well, something's up. i cant even open a terminal anymore. let me logout/in
[10:04] <|QuaD-> lol
[10:04] <|QuaD-> ok
[10:04] <crimsun> kleedrac: I think your syntax is incorrect; it should be: `mplayer -ao pcm 01\ Heaven.wma'
[10:04] <Tsjoklate> potatoe potato
[10:04] <crimsun> kleedrac: make a backup copy of 01\ Heaven.wma first if you're paranoid
[10:04] <kleedrac> crimsun: You don't think I need to specify an output file?
[10:05] <aboutToUbuntu> QuaD, i hate to say it, but that did the trick
[10:05] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: i had frenchfries yesterday!
[10:05] <|QuaD-> aboutToUbuntu: what did?
[10:05] <aboutToUbuntu> logging out and back in
[10:05] <crimsun> kleedrac: you don't need to.
[10:05] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD made it yourself? :P
[10:05] <|QuaD-> aboutToUbuntu: lol... whatever works
[10:05] <crimsun> kleedrac: by default: PCM: File: audiodump.wav (WAVE)
[10:05] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: or the cafeteria made them :)
[10:06] <|QuaD-> i don't cook fried stuff because i try not to eat it
[10:06] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD at school you mean?
[10:06] <kleedrac> crimsun: I'm an idiot!!  I forgot that when I pulled the music directory off a network share it was chmod'ed so my user couldn't create the outfile!!!
[10:06] <kleedrac> LOL
[10:06] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: yup :)
[10:07] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: i am lazy... i have a kitchen, but still have a meal plan that allows me to eat at the cafeteria twice a week
[10:07] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD now now you really need to learn how to cook
[10:07] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD okay I understand the forever single part now :P
[10:07] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: i am actually a good cook :)
[10:07] <|QuaD-> i make buttered noodles better than ANYONE
[10:08] <Tsjoklate> buttered noodels |QuaD? now that sounds.... scary
[10:08] <|QuaD-> jk :)
[10:08] <|QuaD-> haha
[10:10] <kleedrac> Well that's all for me tonight ... damn I love ubuntu :)
[10:10] <kleedrac> Thanks alot guys and night
[10:12] <wood1> Hello to all
[10:13] <wood1> How are you guys and dolls
[10:13] <crimsun> well, and yourself?
[10:13] <|QuaD-> tired
[10:13] <|QuaD-> i hate writing
[10:13] <Tsjoklate> hey Gmail2
[10:13] <Tsjoklate> dangrabbit.. sorry wood1
[10:13] <Tsjoklate> typo!
[10:14] <Tsjoklate> half asleep here
[10:14] <wood1> Oh, where did you say that you are from ?
[10:14] <wood1> How's your Ubuntu Linux ?
[10:14] <Tsjoklate> mine is great.. yours?
[10:15] <wood1> well it is great
[10:15] <wood1> But my Home Ubuntu is getting very slow these days
[10:15] <Tsjoklate> oh yeah? how come?
[10:15] <Tsjoklate> I am from Siberia wood1.. hence the bad English
[10:15] <wood1> I know that my Home PC is quite old, It's a celeron 850 MHz with 128 MB of Memory with a 32 MB Nvidia graphics card
[10:16] <wood1> I am from the Himalayan Kingdom of Nepal. Wow you are from Sibera
[10:16] <wood1> Siberia
[10:16] <wood1> but my home PC used to be quite fast till 3 weeks ago
[10:17] <wood1> I really don't know why it has gotten very slow these days
[10:17] <Simira> Tsjoklat: Check out the debian-women website. There's an IRC meeting this Saturday, if you want to join.
[10:18] <|QuaD-> Simira: out of curiosity whats the link?
[10:18] <wood1> Well Simira, can you tell me why my Ubuntu system is getting slow
[10:18] <Tsjoklate> ah great thanks for letting me know Simira :)
[10:18] <|QuaD-> wood1: thats like me asking you why my head is spinning
[10:19] <Simira> http://women.alioth.debian.org - Debian Women. Feel free to check it out. It's *not* a women-only thing!
[10:19] <|QuaD-> Simira: place for me to me my future woman? lol... jk
[10:19] <Tsjoklate> I'll attend Simira
[10:19] <wood1> Does somebody know the reasons for Ubuntu getting slow
[10:19] <Simira> |QuaD-: place for all interested
[10:20] <|QuaD-> :)
[10:20] <wood1> By the way, I noticed something while installing Ubuntu yesterday
[10:20] <Rattboi> |QuaD-: haven't updated Ubuntu for a few days
[10:20] <Rattboi> did they patch the ubuntu menus yet?
[10:20] <wood1> If you install your /boot  parition in the same partition of the root  / partition , Ubuntu gets alot faster
[10:21] <|QuaD-> Rattboi: don't know... i removed kde dependencies
[10:21] <|QuaD-> and it works
[10:21] <wood1> Well installing KDE slows down your Ubuntu System
[10:21] <|QuaD-> Simira: is your pic on that page?
[10:21] <|QuaD-> wood1: not necessarily
[10:22] <wood1> Well installing KDE in Ubuntu sucks
[10:22] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD tacky
[10:22] <Simira> |QuaD-: nope. I'm not profiled yet.
[10:22] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: i was just asking!
[10:22] <|QuaD-> Simira: ohhh
[10:23] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD still tacky :)
[10:23] <Rattboi> |QuaD-: so are the KDE dependencies there by default?
[10:23] <Rattboi> cause I never installed it
[10:23] <Rattboi> you know I'm talkinga bout the Actions menu, etc, right?
[10:23] <wood1> Don't install KDE in Ubuntu yet, it has lots of problems
[10:23] <|QuaD-> Rattboi: are you talkign about it not starting x cuz of kde/gnome conflict?
[10:23] <wood1> There is bound to be 1 or more problems
[10:24] <|QuaD-> wood1: he didn't
[10:24] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: there is one girl that caught my eye!
[10:24] <Rattboi> |QuaD-: I'm talking about the new X menu update that changed the Gnome menus to Debian style
[10:24] <Rattboi> has that been fixed yet?
[10:24] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD the cook at the cafeteria at school?
[10:24] <|QuaD-> no.. .from the deb woman's page, not telling which though
[10:24] <|QuaD-> Rattboi: no idea, haven't updated
[10:24] <Tsjoklate> I know which one
[10:24] <wood1> Well Rattboi, I think that you have messed up your sources.list
[10:24] <|QuaD-> which
[10:25] <Rattboi> wood1: I'm running hoary
[10:25] <Rattboi> so it's to be expected
[10:25] <|QuaD-> wood1: he knows what he's doing
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> Erinn
[10:25] <wood1> So how active is the Debian Women community ?
[10:26] <Rattboi> ok, I guess I'll have to reboot and update
[10:26] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: that was actually #2
[10:26] <Simira> we're working on it. There was a BOF in Mataro on friday, and my article will be out today.
[10:26] <Tsjoklate> well then the bottom but really debian-women is not a meatmarket
[10:26] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: yeah :)
[10:26] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: it was a joke
[10:26] <|QuaD-> i am not going!
[10:26] <|QuaD-> i just looked at the picture
[10:26] <wood1> How many active members does it have ?
[10:27] <Simira> there are presentations on DW from time to time, on different places
[10:27] <wood1> Simira
[10:27] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD that's why I only post pictures of Bucky the squirel
[10:27] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: haha.... i am a normal 21 year old hornball
[10:27] <wood1> What is the actual goal of the community ?
[10:27] <Simira> wood1: I don't know. That depends on how you count. There's a mailing list, IRC-channel (open to men as well: #debian-women
[10:28] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD and that is the reason why I sport Bucky the squirel :)
[10:28] <Simira> the goal is getting more women into computing and developing
[10:28] <Simira> in open source, mainly
[10:28] <wood1> Well I get it
[10:28] <wood1> When was the community born ?
[10:28] <|QuaD-> Simira: which is why i won't go... i would scare them away!
[10:29] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklate: at least i am honest
[10:29] <Tsjoklate> |QuaD and I applaud you for such
[10:29] <wood1> So the last meeting was on the 20 of November? When will the next meeting be ?
[10:29] <Simira> wood1: what about taking a look at the web-page?
[10:30] <|QuaD-> (though if either erin or hannah live by me.... i wouldn't mind having dinner to talk about debian, lol)
[10:30] <wood1> Well I am looking at it
[10:31] <wood1> Simira, Are you a software developer ?
[10:32] <Simira> wood1: I wouldn't say that. I've made a couple of applications (for windows, though), but I'm more of a network maintainer and administrator
[10:35] <aboutToUbuntu> is there something special that needs to be done to allow incoming ssh connections?
[10:35] <aboutToUbuntu> i keep having my connections refused
[10:35] <bluewheel> aboutToUbuntu, should not be
[10:35] <aboutToUbuntu> hmm..
[10:35] <|QuaD-> aboutToUbuntu: did you install the ssh server?
[10:35] <aboutToUbuntu> not intentionally. if it did it automatically, then yes, otherwise no
[10:36] <Keybuk> aboutToUbuntu: install openssh-server
[10:36] <aboutToUbuntu> who would i do that?
[10:36] <|QuaD-> aboutToUbuntu: install the ssh server :)
[10:37] <aboutToUbuntu> now should i start it somehow?
[10:37] <bluewheel> /etc/init.d/... start
[10:37] <rattboi24> ok, updating
[10:37] <rattboi24> new dbus stuff, it looks like
[10:37] <rattboi24> oh, and for some reason my nvidia driver died
[10:37] <rattboi24> so I'm using the nv one
[10:38] <|QuaD-> rattboi24: let me know how it goes... i haven't updated in a little
[10:38] <aboutToUbuntu> praise the lordy it works!
[10:38] <|QuaD-> rattboi24: did you update your kernel?
[10:38] <wood1> Does somebody know how to import Outlook Express's Address Book from Microsoft Outlook ?
[10:38] <|QuaD-> that breaks the nvidia driver
[10:38] <rattboi24> yeah, I guess I might have
[10:38] <rattboi24> I think one of the updates had an updated kernel
[10:39] <rattboi24> here's the slow part...
[10:39] <rattboi24> probably shouldn't be running hoary on this 500mhz, 128mb machine
[10:39] <rattboi24> new perl updates as well
[10:39] <crimsun> hoary runs fine on a P233 64 MB RAM I have
[10:40] <rattboi24> crimsun: you use gnome?
[10:40] <crimsun> sometimes
[10:40] <|QuaD-> rattboi24: that is slow
[10:40] <rattboi24> yeah, but it's what I got
[10:42] <wood1> How to I export the email addresses in the Contacts folder to an Address Book ?
[10:43] <|QuaD-> rattboi24: isi t your main pc?
[10:44] <wood1> Simira, are you are into Network Administration ?
[10:44] <rattboi24> kinda
[10:44] <wood1> You said that you build some softwares in Windows
[10:44] <rattboi24> I use my roomates pc a lot
[10:45] <rattboi24> and my gf's 1ghz iBook
[10:45] <wood1> Can somebody help now, one of my customers has brought her Windows XP laptop to my office
[10:46] <wood1> The problem is that I can't access her contacts list while creating a New Mail Message in Outlook Xp
[10:48] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: you still around?
[10:48] <|QuaD-> guess not
[10:49] <imka> hi
[10:49] <|QuaD-> hey
[10:49] <imka> i gotta call my isp to activate my router. its got 2 physical adresses, almost identical. one ends with b the other with c. which 1 should i use<
[10:49] <imka> ?
[10:50] <aboutToUbuntu> so i have kind of a general question. Some of the packages that I get with apt-get arent the most up to date. should i lave them as they are, or can i update some other way?
[10:51] <bluewheel> aboutToUbuntu, sudo apt-get update first
[10:51] <aboutToUbuntu> by the way, thanks for answering my questions, its very much appreciated
[10:51] <bluewheel> that will update the package listing
[10:51] <aboutToUbuntu> bluewheel, i did that
[10:51] <|QuaD-> aboutToUbuntu: hoary or warty
[10:52] <aboutToUbuntu> warty
[10:52] <|QuaD-> thats expected... it is stable
[10:52] <|QuaD-> not bleeding edge
[10:52] <aboutToUbuntu> so ... if i wanted, say, openoffice 1.1.3, I have to wait?
[10:53] <aboutToUbuntu> or vnc 4.x
[10:53] <rattboi24> or install it by hand
[10:53] <|QuaD-> there is a backports repository... but it might break your system
[10:53] <tranceConscious> how do i set up a usb modem???
[10:54] <aboutToUbuntu> so, as far as I can remember, openoffice has a very nice and easy installed, or at least it was with suse. will it do the same thing here, and will it mess with the rest of my system?
[10:54] <aboutToUbuntu> *installer
[10:55] <|QuaD-> aboutToUbuntu: i owuld reccomend the back ports repo... but thats jsut me
[10:55] <rattboi24> nice, ubuntuguide.org
[10:55] <rattboi24> that's easier to remember
[10:55] <aboutToUbuntu> QuaD, how do i do it?
[10:56] <|QuaD-> rattboi24: is that the link for backports?
[10:57] <jiyuu0> |QuaD-, http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[10:57] <ironwolf> does order matter for rsync  --include and --exclude's ?
[10:57] <|QuaD-> aboutToUbuntu: look at jiyuu0's link
[10:58] <rattboi24> |QuaD-: no, unofficial ubuntu guide
[10:58] <rattboi24> used to be a different link that was more convoluted
[10:58] <wood1> But OpenOffice lacks the power of MS_Access
[11:00] <|QuaD-> wood1: who would want that
[11:00] <|QuaD-> its a HORRIBLE db
[11:00] <|QuaD-> linux has soo many better choices
[11:01] <wood1> I want OpenOffice to include a Database Software like Access
[11:01] <housetier> wait for the next major release
[11:02] <wood1> Well OpenOffice is nice but still lacks behind MS-Office in database application
[11:02] <housetier> or get the beta preview
[11:02] <wood1> How do I get the preview
[11:02] <housetier> openoffice.org I'd say
[11:02] <wood1> Can it handle Access mdb files ???
[11:02] <|QuaD-> wood1: how do you figure?
[11:02] <|QuaD-> MS Access is horrible
[11:03] <housetier> wood1 I don't know, see for yourself :)
[11:03] <|QuaD-> ms shouldn't even include it in their suite... there is nothing good about it anymore
[11:03] <wood1> Well it is very good
[11:03] <|QuaD-> the one advantage it had was ease of use
[11:03] <|QuaD-> but now with the different gui's for mysql, etc ... it lost that
[11:03] <wood1> Come on, let's be fair, Access is well ahead in terms of Database
[11:03] <|QuaD-> and it is horrible in terms of performance
[11:04] <|QuaD-> wood1: how do you figure? is isn't multithreaded, no server archetecture... what is it ahead on????
[11:04] <wood1> Well if all you want is a database software to handle 2 million records, Access is faster than the wind
[11:05] <|QuaD-> wood1: i REALLY hope you are kidding.... access is slow
[11:05] <|QuaD-> want me to get you technical papers comparing that to others>
[11:05] <JanC> OOo can handle .mdb on platforms that support the MS Jet Database Engine...
[11:05] <|QuaD-> wood1: if access is so powerful, why is it soo cheap and microsoft sql server like a couple grand?
[11:06] <wood1> Well have you done that ?
[11:06] <wood1> Can you get OpenOffice to handle *.mdb files
[11:06] <JanC> and Access is not a database, it's a database frontend & a RAD tool
[11:07] <JanC> which by default uses the MS Jet Database Engine...
[11:07] <rattboi24> ok, how do I get the nvidia driver working again?
[11:08] <wood1> Anyway, the part where Access wins is the interface to create Databases from a click of a mouse
[11:08] <|QuaD-> JanC: yes... i was playing with access support in OOo... i had to use it for an asp.net program.... it was difficult to use in OOo... i just went to a win pc
[11:08] <rattboi24> since I updated my kernel
[11:08] <|QuaD-> wood1: want me to show you easier interfaces for mysql?
[11:08] <|QuaD-> rattboi24: there are no precompiled drivers (i don't believe)
[11:09] <rattboi24> so if I get the nvidia drivers and reinstall them, there won't be issues?
[11:09] <rattboi24> I did that last time
[11:09] <|QuaD-> rattboi24: should work
[11:09] <oscarh> hi! is it able to get ubuntu to include a kernel patch? and who should i talk to?
[11:09] <|QuaD-> talk to the developers
[11:09] <|QuaD-> ie daniels, Kamion, etc
[11:09] <JanC> oscarh: #ubuntu-devel
[11:09] <oscarh> cheers
[11:09] <wood1> QuaD, That would be great
[11:10] <|QuaD-> wood1: what would
[11:10] <sladen> oscarh: what patch?
[11:10] <wood1> If I could use some simple interface to interact with MySQL databases ?
[11:10] <oscarh> sladen,  alps touchpad
[11:10] <JanC> wood1: OOo 2.0 will have database form creation wizards etc.
[11:11] <wood1> So QuaD, how do I do that in MySQL
[11:11] <Simira> and Access hasn't?
[11:11] <|QuaD-> woood1: mysqlcc, phpMyAdmin
[11:11] <wood1> By the way, I have to get my job done in Access in 1 Week.
[11:12] <wood1> When will OpenOffice 2 get released ?
[11:12] <|QuaD-> wood1: use a real database.. you won't regret it
[11:12] <housetier> wood1 some time next year, May I guess
[11:13] <wood1> QuaD, the problem is that I am very New to this Database thing, don't you get it ?
[11:13] <JanC> wood: Q2 2005 I think
[11:13] <Simira> |QuaD-: Access is easily exported to clean sql
[11:13] <tsw> why is the openoffice group making the same mistakes as microsoft has done, world doesnt need another access clone database wizard :/
[11:13] <JanC> http://www.rekallrevealed.org/  <-- if you don't mind using a KDE app
[11:13] <bluewheel> wood1, I did plenty of Access work, what got you stuck ? i have not sued it in a while now in favor of SQL for a varity of reasons
[11:14] <Simira> isn't OOo actually a MS Office clone?
[11:14] <JanC> not really
[11:14] <|QuaD-> wood1: if you are new.... then why did you make comments how access is so superior
[11:14] <JanC> first versions of StarWriter date back to the 1980s  :)
[11:14] <bluewheel> Simira, OOo is opene source version of StarOffice
[11:14] <wood1> Well bluewheel, I have a Access Database which contains 20 fields
[11:14] <|QuaD-> Simira, bluewheel: sql is a language not a database... you use sql within access and mysql
[11:14] <wood1> It's has just 1 primary key
[11:15] <bluewheel> 1 primary key ouch
[11:15] <wood1> It has 10 tables which has relationships with the Master table
[11:16] <wood1> QuaD, I said that I need an esay interface like Access. I will spend about 6 months to devote my time to master the SQL language but for now, I have to stick to Access
[11:16] <wood1> The only reason I have to switch to Windows is only because of Access
[11:16] <wood1> Don't you get it ???
[11:16] <bluewheel> Simira, i didn't know access used sql ?
[11:17] <bob2> access is based on Jet, which is somewhat like sqlite
[11:17] <Simira> why does on e have to excuse oneself for using Windows? *switches between mIRC and OE
[11:17] <Simira> bluewheel: yes
[11:17] <bob2> Simira: traitor!
[11:17] <tsw> if I recall correctly access uses something like sql but no quite alike
[11:18] <bluewheel> Simira, you don't / should not have to, but many people in this room might beg to differ, personally i spend 50% of my time on a Mac
[11:18] <tranceConscious> microsoft uses jet engine...
[11:18] <wood1> So can somebody help me if I can somehow use some kind of application in Linux to import my Access Database
[11:18] <tranceConscious> I mean access uses that.
[11:19] <bob2> wood1: I really doubt anything can do that
[11:19] <wood1> The Access database has 1 Primary key with 20 fields and has 10 separate tables which has relationships with the master table
[11:19] <JanC> wood1: you can learn basic SQL in 2 hours...
[11:19] <JanC> maybe one
[11:20] <bob2> wood1: if you can dump the sql, you might be able to munge it into a linux rdbms, but this is an access question, not an ubuntu one
[11:20] <housetier> wood1 maybe you can dump the database and import it into mysql
[11:20] <wood1> Well is there a way to import the Access Database to MySQL ?
[11:20] <JanC> yes
[11:20] <wood1> Wow that's great
[11:20] <bob2> wood1: you'll need to go ask some forum where questions about Access are on-topic
[11:21] <wood1> How do I go about doing that ?
[11:21] <bob2> wood1: #windows, perhaps
[11:21] <Simira> wood1: try google...
[11:21] <JanC> in your "Access database" make a foreign tables that link to a MySQL tables
[11:21] <|QuaD-> wood1: 05:04 < wood1> Well if all you want is a database software to handle 2 million records, Access is faster than the wind,  05:03 < wood1> Come on, let's be fair, Access is well ahead in terms of Database, i don't think you should just install windows and use their propietary stuff
[11:21] <JanC> and then just copy everything   :-p
[11:22] <JanC> foreign tables (or wather it's called is under import or link or something like that IIRC
[11:22] <wood1> The main point that I was and am trying to get is getting MySQL to import the Access database and use some kind of simple applications to edit the values
[11:23] <|QuaD-> wood1: there is an access viewer for gtk
[11:24] <|QuaD-> called mdb tools i think
[11:24] <wood1> Ok, let's say that I have already imported the database in MySQL. How do I edit the tables using a simple interface ?
[11:24] <|QuaD-> wood1: download and install phpmyadmin
[11:24] <|QuaD-> thats my tool of choice
[11:24] <|QuaD-> web interface TOO
[11:26] <jelajah> ada orang indonesia nggak?
[11:28] <|QuaD-> bob2: i am having a problem with ftping... i ftp using the standard ftp and get 600kb/s, using lftp or gftp to the SAME server i get 20kb/s... any suggestions? is it a bug somewhere?
[11:29] <bob2> |QuaD-: are you using passive mode in ftp?
[11:31] <aboutToUbuntu> next question. is there a better 'directory browser' than the current. something like 'konqueror', so that at least i can navigate back and forth and do other 'logical' things
[11:33] <wood1> Quad, what did you say the name of the 2 software was ?
[11:33] <melazyboy> |QuaD-: Are you even capable of 600kbps transfer, that sounds extremly flawed. like uh maybe 600kbps/60Kbps
[11:33] <wood1> One is phpmyadmin, what is the other ?
[11:33] <|QuaD-> bob2: whow do i specify?
[11:33] <|QuaD-> melazyboy: i am on a 10mbit line
[11:34] <|QuaD-> mysqlcc
[11:34] <melazyboy> |QuaD-: can you download 600kbps if you try to wget something from that host?
[11:35] <melazyboy> |QuaD-: IE try to use wget, see what it outputs as your transfer rate
[11:35] <|QuaD-> melazyboy: yea... i do it all the time
[11:36] <melazyboy> |QuaD-: Well when you wget the ftp file in question what does wget report as the transfer rate
[11:37] <|QuaD-> melazyboy: i am going the opposite direction
[11:37] <|QuaD-> uploading
[11:37] <melazyboy> |QuaD-: bah
[11:37] <|QuaD-> :)
[11:38] <jelajah> quit
[11:41] <|QuaD-> bob2: i toggled the passive and getting 450kb/s
[11:41] <|QuaD-> thanks
[11:45] <oscarh> anyone runnig hoary and knows why applications:/// doesn't work anymore?
[11:48] <ironwolf> oscarh: where are you typing it?
[11:48] <oscarh> nautilius
[11:48] <seb128> because the support for the vfolder has been dropped
[11:48] <oscarh> fileborvser
[11:48] <seb128> it was not working fine
[11:48] <seb128> the new system is better
[11:48] <oscarh> seb, so how do i edit the menu?
[11:49] <oscarh> sorry, new to gnome
[11:49] <seb128> you don't
[11:49] <oscarh> seb, wonderfull
[11:49] <seb128> that's been rewritten; that's a devel branch
[11:49] <oscarh> :)
[11:49] <seb128> you can add .desktop files
[11:49] <seb128> but you have no UI to do this for the moment
[11:50] <oscarh> don't like stuff on the desktop, but no worries, i like the console
[11:50] <maz1977> hi all
[11:50] <maz1977> I have a question about my winmodem
[11:50] <|QuaD-> seb128: what happened? i am lost
[11:50] <seb128> ?
[11:51] <bluewheel> maz1977, good chance it will cause hell
[11:51] <maz1977> the device manager tool has find a modem
[11:51] <|QuaD-> restate your message in 1 easy to read msg
[11:51] <maz1977> on which device I can find it??'
[11:52] <seb128> ??
[11:52] <|QuaD-> ok never mind then
[11:52] <cenerentola> hi there.... hi seb128
[11:52] <seb128> I don't understand the question
[11:52] <|QuaD-> seb128: did you need help
[11:52] <seb128> morning
[11:52] <seb128> no, I don't need any help, why ?
[11:53] <maz1977> seb128 are you talkin to me?
[11:53] <|QuaD-> seb128: i thouhgt you did
[11:53] <|QuaD-> sorry
[11:53] <maz1977> I would like to make a link like ln -s /dev/??? /dev/modem
[11:54] <seb128> maz1977, no, I'm talking with the guy with a weird char in the start of his name :p
[11:55] <maz1977> none can help me?
[12:05] <qazwer> I want install a server,what's better of debian or ubuntu?
[12:06] <|QuaD-> qazwer: debian stable
[12:07] <qazwer> thanks
[12:07] <linux_galore> seen a few people ask about Ubuntu as a server......time to make a server release
[12:07] <|QuaD-> qazwer: i actually think the developers reccomend against ubuntu for servers
[12:08] <daniels> |QuaD|: no, we absolutely do not
[12:08] <daniels> linux_galore: why would we want a separate 'server release'?
[12:08] <daniels> we use ubuntu on all our servers and see no reason for anyone else not to
[12:09] <daniels> boot with 'linux custom' in the installer and you won't get gnome or anything
[12:09] <linux_galore> daniels: why not..... if people want to pay for it
[12:09] <cenerentola> linux_galore free as in freedom and free as in beer
[12:09] <linux_galore> who needs a desktop with a server all you need is a nice admin interface vie the LAN
[12:10] <daniels> linux_galore: 'linux custom', you don't get gnome installed
[12:10] <|QuaD-> daniels: i am sorry for the confusion, i thought you reccomend agaoinst using it on a server
[12:10] <|QuaD-> i guess i was wrong :(
[12:10] <linux_galore> yeah but Linux custom doesnt have a nice server admin interface ala SLE9 by Novel
[12:10] <|QuaD-> linux_galore: so use sle8
[12:10] <|QuaD-> *sle9
[12:11] <qazwer> i like ubuntu ,i always use it on my work pc.i want install it on my server.
[12:11] <linux_galore> |QuaD| were I work thats a "your fired" response
[12:12] <bluewheel> linux_galore, I love the acceptance they have for new things :-)
[12:12] <qazwer> but has not webadmin ?
[12:12] <__learner__> does anyone here have EPSXE working under ubuntu?
[12:12] <linux_galore> to say Linux only exists on the desktop and go away if you want anything else is to me very narrow
[12:13] <bluewheel> linux_galore, I thought linux's main use was on servers in the enterprise
[12:14] <arctick> anyone who wants a REAL stable server uses bsd though
[12:14] <womble> Is there a dockable dialup management thing for Warty that I can give to ordinary users to control their PPP connection?
[12:15] <linux_galore> bluewheel: yes and there are now companies that make server releases to match the desktop releases......you know its like saying ooh you can buy a family car but we dont do anything but family cars.......your dead in the water
[12:15] <daniels> you don't need separate server and desktop releases
[12:15] <linux_galore> pffft Ive got BSD servers that do just as good a dummy spit as Linux
[12:16] <daniels> (distro wars are off topic)
[12:16] <qazwer> yes, I don't think  separate server and desktop releases
[12:16] <bluewheel> see i've only run Linux on my home machines and my work desktop, I managed to get one work server to used Linux for a file server because win2k crashed too much and they were pull out hair
[12:16] <arctick> i dont think that analogy works with OOS
[12:16] <linux_galore> I know so have a desktop server selector in the install under expert
[12:16] <arctick> oss rather
[12:17] <linux_galore> I cant see a distro doing a good desktop and server from a single CD
[12:17] <arctick> there are lots of custom-target distros that do quite well, look at knoppix
[12:18] <linux_galore> yes but say Im a corp with $$$ and Im like OK nice desktop but do you have a server option.......ooh use the same CD....eeer yeah right......Hello Mr Novell do you have a server to go with your desktop
[12:18] <arctick> and the number of cds is pretty irrelevant when you have apt
[12:18] <bluewheel> i am sure i will get canned for saying this but Solaris is a good out of the box Server OS
[12:19] <qazwer> My english not good.sorry.I'm from china.
[12:19] <linux_galore> not everyone wants a free ride some people are happy to pay for the extra's
[12:19] <bluewheel> housetier, someone had to do it :-)
[12:19] <housetier> :)
[12:19] <bluewheel> qazwer, where in china ?
[12:19] <Kamion> FYI, I renamed the 'custom' option to 'server' earlier today to drive home the point that it's perfectly reasonable to use Ubuntu as a server
[12:19] <qazwer> guangdong
[12:20] <bluewheel> qazwer, ahh ok have a friend in Bejing at the moment
[12:20] <linux_galore> Kamion: yeah but your not going to have apache mysql and php and a few mail server options squished into that single CD
[12:21] <qazwer> hehe,3q,but how to only to say you?
[12:21] <bluewheel> I think there is a need for server / desktop products to be differant, if for no other reason than we accept more failure on our desktop
[12:22] <bluewheel> a server though needs a seperate toobox to interface with since it is locked away somewhere deep in the depths
[12:22] <linux_galore> yes and the server rig can be a good money earner
[12:22] <Kamion> linux_galore: sure, but that's ok, you can get them from the network totally trivially. people installing servers will be picking their own package sets anyway.
[12:23] <daniels> if GNOME crashes, that has no effect on your web server
[12:23] <bluewheel> linux_galore, and there is that, I mean people don't mind paying for a server OS and if it undercuts windows then it is very viable option for TCO
[12:23] <daniels> there's no reason to say 'let's make something stable for our servers and it's OK, our desktops can be complete crap'
[12:23] <linux_galore> Kamion: I can do that with Novell too but II dont get the Enterprise server rig for that reason i get it because everything on the CD works together very well
[12:24] <bluewheel> daniels, but people accept it, it does not mean they will look at deiban stable, it has a very good version of gnome
[12:24] <Kamion> everything in Ubuntu main should work together just as well as everything on the CD
[12:24] <bluewheel> as in it's stable as hell
[12:24] <__learner__> where is the folder where the page should be in apache for linux? How can I change that?
[12:25] <arctick> i cant see Ubuntu or Debian taking any market share away from rh or novell anytime soon... the thing is people want proven stable packages
[12:25] <linux_galore> Kamion:  I dont want a desktop Ive already done that....now I want a dedicated server solution
[12:25] <arctick> plus a big name
[12:25] <Kamion> linux_galore: I wasn't contradicting that in the slightest
[12:25] <bluewheel> arctick, yea and peope also want to pay for software that comes from a nice big company who will certify and support it
[12:25] <bob2> __learner__: /var/www/
[12:25] <__learner__> tx a lot
[12:25] <linux_galore> Kamion: as soon as the customer install either red hat or Novell guess whats happens........both of those companies will throw in a 12 month desktop install for free....bye bye Ubuntu
[12:26] <Kamion> the guy who runs all our servers doesn't want his distribution to pick the set of packages though; he wants to select them by hand and have them be the minimal possible selection to reduce security exposure
[12:26] <Kamion> linux_galore: our releases are all supported for 18 months and we'll be doing longer-term support options too.
[12:26] <qazwer> if I set LC_ALL=zh_CN,I want save filename by zh_CN not UTF8, how can i do it?
[12:26] <arctick> wow, sounds like you got an admin that cares
[12:26] <linux_galore> Kamion: you can do that with any distro.....you miss the logic of having a distro
[12:26] <daniels> arctick: well, we didn't just hire random people
[12:26] <Kamion> linux_galore: as a distribution developer, I respectfully disagree :-)
[12:27] <daniels> arctick: just picking people off the streets ... 'do you care about admin?' 'no, I hate my servers' 'come work for us!'
[12:27] <arctick> lol
[12:27] <daniels> linux_galore: as far as I can tell, your main complaint about Ubuntu is that it's free
[12:27] <linux_galore> Kamion: using your logic I may aswell go grab Debian because im getting the same thing anyway
[12:27] <Kamion> distributions are about large-scale software integration and support; they aren't just about picking package sets for you 'cos you don't want to bother managing your server
[12:28] <Kamion> linux_galore: you don't get security support over three release cycles with Debian
[12:28] <bluewheel> daniels, it's more than just free, it just works
[12:28] <daniels> linux_galore: er, no, Ubuntu and Debian are different distributions, with different installers, packages, hardware support, and package sets
[12:28] <linux_galore> daniels: no Im saying Ubuntu needs to go beyond the desktop
[12:28] <bluewheel> debian / gentoo / freebsd are just free
[12:28] <daniels> linux_galore: it's already there
[12:29] <arctick> ive got a server related question. when youve set up apache, where do you stick your websites?
[12:29] <linux_galore> nope single CD desktop for a server......sorry no go and Im not sitting around while I have to download a pile of packages missing on the Ubuntu "desktop" CD for a server
[12:29] <arctick> im going to try to learn php+sql
[12:30] <Kamion> if you're managing a reasonable number of servers then you'll have a local mirror anyway
[12:30] <Kamion> that's what all the server admins I know do
[12:30] <Kamion> since you don't want to download all the security updates a dozen times
[12:30] <bob2> linux_galore: so you'd be happy if someone generated cd images without gnome but with dovecot?
[12:31] <linux_galore> yes I just grab a server enterprise CD shove it in one machine bingo I have a mirror......no having to play with packages Im not sure of on a download.......also I know all the apps on the CD have been integrated into the admin tool kit
[12:32] <linux_galore> bob2: yes but also with the services/apps have a admin interface....ie a beefed up webmin/control center
[12:32] <bob2> hah
[12:33] <Kamion> that's what we're doing with everything in main, not just with the CD
[12:33] <Kamion> only integrating the CD is the lazy distro's approach
[12:33] <linux_galore> yes but no X....just a remote browser login
[12:34] <linux_galore> Kamion: you mean lazy as in "doesnt chew up time"
[12:34] <Kamion> linux_galore: like it or not customers want to install stuff not on the CD, so any sane distro will integrate that stuff too
[12:35] <Kamion> unless your beloved CD is *all* that's supported, in which case they're offering less
[12:35] <linux_galore> Kamion: yes but I dont want to work around a "desktop" CD to install a server....i want a server CD for servers
[12:37] <bluewheel> I must say that i am pretty blown away by ubuntu, it's bacome such a great distro in such a small time, gee what some backing with money can do :-)
[12:41] <arctick> the fact its based on debian helps a lot i think
[12:42] <bluewheel> arctick, of course but it's still very ncie
[12:42] <bluewheel> nice
[12:42] <arctick> i must agree, i switched from gentoo and im not looking back
[12:43] <arctick> i'd like to contribute something to ubuntu but i dont know what
[12:43] <bluewheel> yea i have converted both my debian boxes
[12:49] <Xophe> I have been advised to compile an earlier kernel than the Ubuntu-provided 2.6.8.1, to see if the problems I'm having with my CD-ROM drive (mostly ripping CDs) are kernel-related
[12:50] <bluewheel> arctick, do what i do convert people, i've converted 2 new users through nothign else than showing it to them
[12:50] <superted> anyone running hoary here?
[12:50] <Xophe> is there a ubuntuish way of doing this?
[12:50] <Rattboi> superted, a lot are
[12:50] <bluewheel> Xophe, yep well it's the debian way but yes there are smart ways of doing it
[12:50] <bluewheel> Xophe, have you downloaded the source ?
[12:51] <superted> Rattboi: and its all good in the hood? :)
[12:51] <Rattboi> hmm
[12:51] <Rattboi> depends, I guess
[12:51] <Rattboi> what are you expecting?
[12:51] <Xophe> bluewheel: partly I'm wondering whether there are patched sources which should be tried rather than vanilla kernel.org
[12:51] <Rattboi> it's pretty good though
[12:51] <Xophe> I'm familiar enough with make-kpkg
[12:51] <Rattboi> expect instabilities at times
[12:52] <bluewheel> Xophe, i don't know about that i am running a ppc so my kernel is just d/l'ed source form elsewhere
[12:52] <bluewheel> i didn't use the ubunutu one
[12:52] <bluewheel> Xophe, tell the truth I don't even know what the ubuntu one is like
[12:52] <Xophe> bluewheel: well, quite; I don't even know if kernel.org is authoritative for amd64
[12:53] <superted> Rattboi: well is it complicated to downgrade afterwards if it gets too unstable?
[12:53] <bluewheel> amd64 might wanna try some user pages ?
[12:54] <Xophe> I'm afraid I don't know how to parse that
[12:54] <bob2> Xophe: have you filed a bug?
[12:54] <Xophe> bob2: no, because I don't know the cause of my problems yet
[12:55] <BockBilbo> hello!
[12:55] <Xophe> however, if that would cause a kernel for me to try to appear as if by magic, I'm up for it
[12:55] <Kamion> Xophe: we don't have any amd64-specific patches in our kernel, if that's any guide
[12:55] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me how to recover grub??
[12:56] <Xophe> Kamion: that's worth knowing, certainly
[12:56] <Kamion> there're a couple of patches which touch that architecture but they touch other architectures too
[12:56] <Xophe> (the symptoms of this particular problem are that while playing CDs directly works fine, ripping hem causes cdparanoia to go "++++" and sound-juicer to go at approximately 0.3x speed
[12:57] <Xophe>  ... mjg59 said that there were possibly issues with 2.6.8 and .9 with ripping, so...)
[12:58] <bluewheel> BockBilbo, did you install a dud kernel ? might want to use a live cd and then fix your config
[12:58] <BockBilbo> bluewheel, is not that
[12:58] <BockBilbo> the prob is that i have to install win for my parents
[12:58] <BockBilbo> and it will erase grub init
[12:58] <Xophe> Kamion: I presume that this means there isn't a terribly authoritative place to go for earlier ubuntu-flavoured kernels
[12:58] <BockBilbo> so i need to reinstall grub after installing win
[12:59] <Kamion> actually, I tell a lie, there's one amd64-specific patch on top of another patch we've applied to add a wireless driver, but that obviously doesn't matter for the upstream kernel
[12:59] <Kamion> Xophe: we don't have a snapshot.debian.net equivalent yet, no
[12:59] <BockBilbo> bluewheel, what command shall i use in knoppix, for instace, to reinstall grub?
[01:00] <Xophe> OK.  I'll try to remember all the options to make-kpkg then
[01:01] <bluewheel> reinstall, not sure i know that editing the config will fix most problems, i run PPC so i don't use it much at all
[01:01] <bluewheel> i normally troubleshoot for friends
[01:03] <bluewheel> but i assume there would be some grub command that you reinstall the actual program
[01:04] <Kamion> grub-install
[01:05] <Kamion> needs to be run in an appropriate root or given the --root-directory=/whatever option (I think the latter works, anyway)
[01:22] <xevil> anyone having problems with USB periphials working only intermittently?  For example my Epson 2450 scanner will work at boot usually, then a half hour later, I get an IO error...
[01:23] <xevil> the silence is deafening... :)
[01:27] <bluewheel> cya everyone
[01:39] <bip> anybody has any experience runnin ubuntu on a iMac ?
[01:39] <bip> i tried sarge rc 2 net install cd on it w/out luck ...
[01:39] <bip> now i m gettin a ubuntu ppc .iso for it
[01:44] <candyman> hey, how does the ubuntu-live recognise and mount disks automagically?
[01:44] <gen> by auto mounting perhaps
[01:44] <wood1> bluewheel, what about the Access Database thing
[01:45] <bip> anybody use ubunto on ppc here ?
[01:45] <bip> not a single mac user around ?
[01:45] <bip> :-(
[01:45] <bob2> bip: lots of people do
[01:46] <wood1> So
[01:46] <bob2> but asking "does anyone know anything about $blah?" or "does anyone use $foo?" is not a good way to get people to help you
[01:46] <Kamion> bip: kind of depends what problems you had with sarge d-i rc2
[01:47] <hazza96> do many people use ubuntu as a server, like a samba or mail server
[01:48] <bob2> lots
[01:48] <bip> well a lot ...
[01:48] <bip> i got  broken dependency issue ...
[01:48] <candyman> I installed my desktop andgen, auto mounting? what would that be?
[01:48] <bip> and no usable x enevironement ...
[01:49] <hazza96> I installed ubuntu last night and i like what i have seen so far
[01:49] <bip> i have succesfully ran both sarge and yellow dog linux on iBook
[01:49] <hazza96> i will be trying it out on my server before using it on my client's sites
[01:49] <bip> but now i have got this ol iMac for free
[01:49] <Kamion> bip: oh, dependency issues aren't really due to the installer, so Ubuntu should be ok
[01:58] <rattboi> god, I'd love to find some old iMac for free
[01:59] <gen> a dead mac is a good mac
[01:59] <georgia> gen: rubbish!
[02:00] <georgia> sometimes a mac is the right tool for the job
[02:00] <georgia> sometimes windows is the right tool for the job, sometimes its linux on x86, sometimes linux on something like sparc, depends o the job
[02:01] <gen> which job? a blow job? /sarcasm
[02:01] <bob2> chill dudes
[02:01] <gen> no problem
[02:01] <gen> im reviewing for an exam anyhow
[02:06] <bip> mac r great machines ...
[02:07] <bip> find me <a ol x86 machine that still usable as desktop ;-)
[02:07] <bip> i have a sparc x86 and  some macs here
[02:07] <bip> and they all do something useful ;-)
[02:26] <ondrej> mm all
[02:26] <rattboi> yo
[02:34] <ondrej> I just wanted to say THANK YOU ... Ubuntu CDs arrived today :-)
[02:36] <arctick> im still waiting for mine :(
[02:37] <bip> i m downloading mine right now
[02:43] <strat50s> hi
[02:44] <crimsun> 'lo
[02:51] <VerTiCal> What
[02:51] <VerTiCal> ur
[02:51] <gen> what
[02:51] <gen> ur
[02:51] <VerTiCal> What's root's password on the liveCD?
[02:51] <VerTiCal> >.>
[02:51] <gen> isn't one
[02:53] <rattboi> ubuntu doesn't have a root user by default
[02:53] <VerTiCal> ...
[02:53] <sladen> VerTiCal: there isn't one.  Type   sudo apt-get install ...    etc
[02:53] <sladen> VerTiCal: sudo mount /foo/bar /mnt
[02:55] <rattboi> if you get annoyed with that, though, you can do "sudo -s" to be in root
[02:56] <VerTiCal> ah
[02:56] <VerTiCal> thanks
[02:59] <Keybuk>  Twas the launchpad meeting,
[02:59] <Keybuk>  and all through the ballroom...
[02:59] <GotD0t> Keybuk: is that necessary
[02:59] <Keybuk> GotD0t: the singing?  it's too quiet :p
[02:59] <GotD0t> Keybuk: hehe
[03:00] <GotD0t> Keybuk: only reason im here is i forgot to charge my mp3 player
[03:00] <GotD0t> Keybuk: and without it, it would be too quite during my drive to school
[03:00] <GotD0t> Keybuk: ok, its pretty much done, im out
[03:14] <aaroncuk> hi all, wheres the best place to get themes for ubuntu??
[03:15] <zenwhen> aaroncuk,  ~/themes
[03:15] <zenwhen> .themes
[03:15] <zenwhen> that is
[03:16] <aaroncuk> is there a site that has loads on
[03:17] <zenwhen> aaroncuk, ?
[03:17] <aaroncuk> can u download new themes from the web
[03:17] <zenwhen> http://gnome-look.org
[03:18] <aaroncuk> cheers, thats the ticket
[03:18] <zenwhen> :)
[03:18] <zenwhen> I thought you asked where to put them.
[03:18] <zenwhen> lol
[03:19] <aaroncuk> what do am i looking for, gd2 themes?
[03:19] <aaroncuk> sorry i meant gtk2
[03:19] <zenwhen> gtk and metacity
[03:21] <krischan> Hello everyone. Are there XFCE-desktop-experienced people around? I could use some help please.
[03:32] <krischan> Do you know how the panel of xfce4 can be kept in the foreground when another window is maximized? For the moment, I have to resize/move all maximized windows of a desktop in order to make the panel visible. That's bulky.
[03:34] <Grenshad> hi
[03:36] <Grenshad>  is someone have got problems with modplugbmp which is complaining about POTFILES.in and libmodplug ?
[03:39] <mousematt> any via unichrome users here? or C3 users?
[03:41] <Xophe> Hello
[03:42] <Xophe> I popped in earlier talking about building an older kernel
[03:42] <Xophe> the vanilla kernel.org kernel that I built panics on boot, failing to recognize its root filesystem
[03:42] <Xophe> (built from the .config that came with the 2.6.8.1 generic amd64 kernel
[03:43] <Xophe>  which came with Ubuntu Warty)
[03:43] <bob2> you'll need to build an initrd
[03:43] <Xophe> oh, damn
[03:43] <Xophe> of course
[03:43] <bob2> then screw around making it boot
[03:44] <PPCUser> Hello
[03:45] <RuffianSoldier> hey bob2
[03:45] <Xophe> however, in addition, I've observed something odd with this machine
[03:45] <PPCUser> Sorry, I've had a quick look over a few Ubuntu mirrors, but can't find a Live PPC CD of Warty... are they available?
[03:45] <RuffianSoldier> no
[03:45] <Xophe> any reboot short of turning the mains power off causes the bios to fail to recognize the hard drive
[03:45] <jdub> PPCUser: there's no ppc live cd yet
[03:45] <bob2> PPCUser: no, sorry
[03:46] <PPCUser> Alright, thanks guys
[03:54] <sid77> PPCUser: download the installable one, it is really cool ;)
[03:56] <Xophe> now, the initrd thing.  THat means I need cramfs patches, right?
[03:57] <Xophe> (also, I'm guessing that this isn't a good place to report minor but annoying bugs... what is?)
[03:59] <superted> Xophe: bugzilla
[03:59] <superted> Xophe: allthough the bug might be minor, it can bring down the user experience
[04:00] <Xophe> superted: right... but it would be nice not to have to go through the hassle of dealing with bugzilla for minor bugs
[04:00] <Xophe> does reportbug or bug do anything useful?
[04:00] <superted> i don't know
[04:00] <superted> you could maybe try and tell one of the devs about the bug
[04:01] <Xophe> they're annoyed enough with me as it is :)
[04:01] <superted> hehe
[04:02] <bob2> Xophe: reportbug routes bugs to ubuntu-users
[04:03] <Xophe> and is that a good idea?
[04:03] <rodi> so, speaking of annoyed...  I have one nagging problem left with Hoary, and after a little poking around on the forums and the wiki, haven't found anyone else having it...
[04:03] <rodi> My screen starts to flicker as if the refresh rate is incorrect every time I log in.
[04:04] <fabbione> Xophe: please report bugs only on kernels that come from us
[04:04] <fabbione> Xophe: do not send reports for kernel you compiled yourself
[04:04] <rodi> The problem being that this is an LCD (laptop) and one generally doesn't set the refresh or sync rate on them as far as I understand.
[04:04] <fabbione> Xophe: also.. out kernel is patched.. so it is pointless to use our config on a vanilla kernel
[04:04] <rodi> I thought it might help to install the binary kernel, but it appears to only be available for Warty right now, and I'm not sure it would help anyhow.
[04:04] <rodi> Any sugggestions?
[04:05] <Xophe> fabbione: ok: "my CD-ROM drive does not work for ripping CDs"
[04:05] <Xophe> but the point of building a non-Ubuntu kernel was that I have been informed that there are bugs in 2.6.8.x and 2.6.9.x regarding ripping CDs
[04:06] <Xophe> and before reporting a bug as a kernel bug (probably hardware-specific) I wanted to test this theory
[04:06] <Xophe> and I have asked here before about earlier builds of Ubuntu-flavoured kernels
[04:06] <Xophe> and was told that there aren't any
[04:06] <Xophe> fabbione: so, suggestions welcome
[04:06] <fabbione> Xophe: if it was such a big problem people would have reported it much earlier than now
[04:07] <murf> hello, who is member of ubuntu team members, there is no list on the website (or i'm blind) ...
[04:07] <Xophe> how many people are running Ubuntu on "IBM IntelliStation A Pro"s?
[04:07] <fabbione> so my suggestion is still report a bug (severity minor) with all possible details, including try more than one tool
[04:07] <fabbione> and not just "cdrip" doesn't work
[04:07] <Xophe> *sigh*
[04:07] <farruinn> Xophe: afaik, linux-source-2.8.* is the ubuntu patched source and kernel-source-* is the unpatched source, so maybe try with linux-source if you haven't already
[04:07] <sgarrity> I'm trying to install ubuntu on a G3 iMac - doesn't anyone know of any free tools to resize a Mac OS X partition? (HFS, I think)
[04:07] <murf> oh ... the correct question was - is there list of ubuntu developer members ?
[04:08] <bob2> murf: there isn't one
[04:08] <murf> bob2: so it sounds like anonymous distribution ....
[04:08] <sid77> sgarrity, never heard of. I know there is something commercial which do the wotk but I'm not too sure about it :(
[04:08] <Xophe> farruinn: sure, but linux-source-2.6.8.1 is precisely not the source I need to try to verify this hypothesis
[04:08] <sgarrity> sid77: Yeah, thought so. Thanks.
[04:08] <bob2> murf: no, read the lists, it's pretty obvious who's doing it
[04:08] <jdub> hey sgarrity
[04:09] <murf> bob2: you mean mailing list ?
[04:09] <sgarrity> jdub: hey, I'm finally getting around to trying Ubuntu - I'm seeing if I can get it installed on my old G3 iMac.
[04:09] <sid77> sgarrity, try to format the partition, it's really worth :)
[04:09] <wezzer> good evening everyone
[04:09] <jdub> sgarrity: rad
[04:09] <sgarrity> sid77: Well, I only have the iMac for mac browser testing (I'm a web-developer).
[04:10] <rodi> hey wezzer
[04:10] <sid77> sgarrity, so go ahead and put that OSX dvd in to format everything ;)
[04:10] <trukulo> jdub, you have to say to me if you need something special for the conference
[04:12] <RuffianSoldier> Sweet - Ubuntu has KDE 3.3.1 (Havent tried it yet) I love KDE - just hate K apps
[04:13] <crimsun> well, hoary has mostly 3.3.2 now
[04:13] <crimsun> still a few metasets with 3.3.1
[04:13] <RuffianSoldier> Well - im running Hoary
[04:13] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[04:13] <RuffianSoldier> I love Gnome because it works - but KDE is such Eye Candy
[04:14] <Markrian> FYI, never EVER mention 'Ubuntu' in #debian.
[04:14] <crimsun> they're just jealous.
[04:15] <crimsun> ;-)
[04:15] <wezzer> Gnome has better usability imho
[04:15] <b_e_n_z> why not?
[04:15] <wezzer> and it isn't so candy as KDE
[04:15] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: gnome is fairly nice eye candy, too
[04:15] <Markrian> I just got attacked by like 10 people, accused of trolling when I suggested Ubuntu to a user who clearly found installing debian tough
[04:15] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun - I love Gnome
[04:16] <Qerub> Markrian: What did they say?
[04:16] <Markrian> Pretty much 'quit trolling', generally mocking me (?!) for using Ubuntu
[04:20] <mashu> bye
[04:20] <RuffianSoldier> anyone here running the latest KDE?
[04:21] <Qerub> RuffianSoldier: 3.3.1 here.
[04:21] <Qerub> (But not using Ubuntu.)
[04:21] <RuffianSoldier> IC
[04:21] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: only konsole and konqueror ocassionally :)
[04:21] <RuffianSoldier> :-)
[04:22] <RuffianSoldier> both good K Apps
[04:22] <Qerub> amaroK and Kicker are great too :)
[04:22] <RuffianSoldier> ya
[04:22] <Synek> aterm & firefox? ;P
[04:22] <RuffianSoldier> KSIRC and Kopete blow
[04:22] <RuffianSoldier> Aterm rocks
[04:23] <Synek> heheh
[04:23] <RuffianSoldier> Firefox is a given
[04:23] <RuffianSoldier> whatever that means :-p
[04:24] <Synek> hm, depending on kde-stuff to only run konqueror or konsole? no thank you :)
[04:32] <ctr> is there a ubuntu specific ppc channel ?
[04:33] <farruinn> ctr, unfortunately no
[04:33] <crimsun> ctr: not that I'm aware of, but I might well be misinformed
[04:33] <farruinn> at least I don't know of any
[04:33] <farruinn> but there are a number of ppc folks who come here
[04:34] <ctr> k, I just wanted to know how 'stable' hfs+ support was
[04:34] <sid77> ctr, don't know, but you can ask here
[04:34] <ctr> I managed to mount the disk and unmount it
[04:34] <farruinn> ctr, I find it quite stable
[04:35] <ctr> but I fear reading from it or doing anything with it incase it becomes fubar'd
[04:35] <sid77> mmmh
[04:35] <farruinn> reading is well supported, writing is not so well supported
[04:35] <sid77> farruinn, no hfsplus?
[04:35] <sid77> on
[04:36] <farruinn> hfs is fine afaik, but I believe that writing to hfs+ is a bit buggy
[04:36] <ctr> ahhh
[04:36] <farruinn> but I haven't had any problems
[04:36] <ctr> hmm
[04:36] <ctr> so I should probably, to be safe, mount it read-only ?
[04:36] <farruinn> and you can always use hpmount if you're wary of ruining the disk
[04:36] <sid77> I actually write/read a lot
[04:36] <farruinn> sid77: same here, but I believe that it's one of those "experimetal" things in the kernel =)
[04:37] <sid77> I mount it in rw and do the work by the user root (to get around the user/group problem) are there safer way?
[04:37] <Hendrik_> who has experience with installing ati drivers?
[04:39] <bob2> you mean the binary-only ones?
[04:39] <farruinn> sid77, I tried setting gid=1000,uid=1000 once and it really screwed up the permissions on my os x partition
[04:39] <Hendrik_> yeah
[04:40] <Hendrik_> i think the main problem is my dual monitor
[04:40] <Hendrik_> <- 9800 pro
[04:40] <ctr> sorry about that
[04:40] <ctr> X crashed
[04:40] <ctr> erm, yes, so you guys use your partitions fine ?
[04:40] <Hendrik_> i have now only 640*480 @ the second monitor
[04:41] <farruinn> ctr, do you have os x installed on this partition?
[04:41] <sid77> farruinn, I only run a mount -t hfsplus /dev/...
[04:41] <RuffianSoldier> Xorg for life!
[04:41] <farruinn> sid77: yes, but then you have to do everything as root,right?
[04:42] <ctr> farruinn, yes
[04:42] <ctr> farruinn, I have a big osx partition and a small linux one
[04:43] <farruinn> ctr, _don't_ set gid=1000,uid=1000 when mounting the os x partition =)
[04:43] <farruinn> it will change the ownership on every file you touch
[04:43] <ctr> ahh
[04:43] <ctr> what do you recommend ?
[04:44] <farruinn> ctr, I'm actually still trying to figure out how to mount my hfs+ without having to be root
[04:44] <ctr> how do you mount it and read it as a normal user ?
[04:45] <SGC|Work> mount -t hfsplus /dev/hd? /mountpoint
[04:45] <ctr> k
[04:45] <ctr> how do I mount it as read only ?
[04:45] <ctr> so it wont be changed at all
[04:45] <SGC|Work> hang on, let me check the mount parms for options
[04:45] <SGC|Work> one lets you do ro
[04:45] <farruinn> in your fstab put ro as an option
[04:46] <SGC|Work> unless you're mounting it manually
[04:46] <xiximkopp> does anyone of you use an nvidia graphic adapter in recent hoary??
[04:46] <SGC|Work> mount -t hfsplus 0o ro /dev/hd? /mountpoint
[04:46] <SGC|Work> mount -t hfsplus -o ro /dev/hd? /mountpoint
[04:46] <xiximkopp> my glx doesnt work anymore :-(
[04:46] <ctr> SGC|Work, thanks :)
[04:47] <SGC|Work> ctr, no prob
[04:47] <ctr> And read only wont mess the partition up will it ?
[04:47] <SGC|Work> nope
[04:47] <sid77> farruinn, yep I do the mount work by root
[04:48] <ctr> hmmmmm
[04:48] <xiximkopp> anybody knows whats wrong with glx???
[04:49] <scizzo> xiximkopp: nothing is wrong with glx
[04:50] <ctr> Thanks guys :)
[04:50] <xiximkopp> did you update? tried glxinfo/glxgears?
[04:50] <farruinn> ctr, np, glad to see more people using ubuntu on ppc =)
[04:50] <scizzo> xiximkopp: I am using warty
[04:50] <tritium> xiximkopp, do they segfault?
[04:51] <xiximkopp> tritium, yupp
[04:51] <xiximkopp> yours too?
[04:51] <tritium> me too.  Hadn't noticed until you pointed it out.
[04:51] <tritium> Yeah.
[04:51] <ctr> farruinn, I left a space for linux and thought I'd try ubuntu
[04:51] <ctr> farruinn, so far so good :)
[04:51] <xiximkopp> nasty thingy...
[04:52] <scizzo> xiximkopp: no errors in the dmesg logs?
[04:52] <tritium> My menus still give me trouble, sometimes requiring a reboot.
[04:52] <scizzo> xiximkopp: /var/log/dmesg
[04:52] <scizzo> or something
[04:52] <ctr> farruinn, the hfs+ thing is great
[04:52] <ctr> farruinn, if I can be convinced enough I may even move all my mail over to thunderbird
[04:52] <ctr> and all my browsing
[04:52] <farruinn> ctr, excellent
[04:53] <ctr> soI use the same tools, email, bookmarks etc whether in OSX or Linux
[04:53] <tritium> Wow, I can't believe that the mixer_applet2 takes up 20MB virtual memory, or the clock-applet using 18.6MB.
[04:53] <ctr> ok
[04:53] <ctr> brb
[04:53] <farruinn> tritium: I know, same with trashapplet
[04:53] <tritium> I don't get it.
[04:53] <farruinn> it annoys me
[04:54] <tritium> That's ridiculous.
[04:54] <xiximkopp> scizzo, nothing in dmesg, module loaded, correct permissions...
[04:57] <xiximkopp> even tried to install the drivers form nvidia.com... the same
[04:58] <scizzo> xiximkopp: sounds like weird support
[04:58] <scizzo> xiximkopp: what geforce card?
[04:58] <tritium> xiximkopp, maybe something with Xorg?
[04:58] <RuffianSoldier> I installed KDE - and Ubuntu removed my loggout ability in Gnome :-/
[04:59] <RuffianSoldier> its mad at me
[05:00] <ctr> sweet
[05:01] <ctr> I changed my uid on linux
[05:01] <ctr> to be the same as the one on my mac partition
[05:01] <sid77> ctr, so you should have no problem to touch file
[05:01] <ctr> ahh
[05:01] <ctr> mounted it read-only for the moment
[05:02] <xiximkopp> scizzo, gf2mx
[05:02] <xiximkopp> tritium, i dont know...
[05:03] <xiximkopp> could be
[05:04] <scizzo> xiximkopp: hmmm...those I have had troubles with before
[05:05] <ctr> how do I play mp3's ?
[05:05] <RuffianSoldier> how can I add KDE into the GDM sessions list?
[05:06] <wezzer> ctr: sudo apt-get install madplayer0.8-mad
[05:06] <scizzo> wezzer: gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:06] <ctr> hmm
[05:06] <ctr> how come rhythmbox wont play the mp3 ?
[05:06] <wezzer> scizzo: ach, I'm bit tired today, thanks for correcting :)
[05:06] <crimsun> ctr: did you add gstreamer0.8-mad?
[05:07] <wezzer> ctr: as scizzo said, type sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:07] <xiximkopp> scizzo, i dont understand
[05:07] <scizzo> ctr: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:07] <scizzo> xiximkopp: I am not sure how xorg works
[05:08] <scizzo> xiximkopp: but the geforce2 cards I had to do some weird stuff to get it going normally before....but I am not sure now how
[05:08] <xiximkopp> scizzo, it worked all the time... until yesterday, when i updated...
[05:09] <scizzo> xiximkopp: upgraded from warty to hoary?
[05:09] <ctr> k
[05:09] <ctr> thanks :)
[05:09] <mas01cr> OK, for reference: a vanilla kernel.org 2.6.7 kernel compiled with the config from ubuntu's generic amd64 kernel (a) boots and (b) rips CDs successfully with at least cdparanoia
[05:10] <farruinn> ctr, you're setting up rythmbox to use your iTunes music library?
[05:10] <ctr> Another quick question, I have setup a network profile in the network config tool, how do I set that as the default boot profile ?
[05:10] <ctr> farruinn, yeah
[05:10] <farruinn> ctr, sweet =)
[05:10] <ctr> farruinn, yep
[05:10] <xiximkopp> when warty was stable... i run hoary for some time now...
[05:11] <ctr> hah
[05:11] <ctr> cool
[05:11] <ctr> you can, if you include universe
[05:11] <ctr> install ferite
[05:11] <ctr> it even has rc2 there
[05:11] <ctr> nice
[05:11] <superted> ferite?
[05:11] <ctr> http://www.ferite.org
[05:11] <farruinn> superted, apt-cache show ferite man
[05:12] <RuffianSoldier> can someone help me add KDE to GDM?
[05:12] <RuffianSoldier> its just for testing of the new version
[05:13] <ctr> can I play unencrypted .m4a files ?
[05:13] <wezzer> I don't know if totem supports them
[05:13] <wezzer> but mplayer can play those
[05:15] <svenl> Kamion: ubuntu warthy dog has the same keyboard bug as debian-installer fixed recently. It proposed me macintosh USB keymaps only while i am on a amd64 box.
[05:15] <carthik> RuffianSoldier, just apt-get install KDE, it comes up automatically
[05:15] <carthik> did for me
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> I did
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> and it did not
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> :-/
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> I need to test this latest KDE
[05:16] <Kamion> svenl: "Warty Warthog", not "warthy dog", please
[05:16] <Kamion> (or just "warty")
[05:16] <svenl> Kamion: released-ubuntu :)
[05:16] <Kamion> svenl: ok, we import fixes (semi-)automatically from Debian, so that fix should be in the next release
[05:16] <RuffianSoldier> carthik - do you know how to add it?
[05:16] <Kamion> we're up to date on kbd-chooser at the moment
[05:16] <svenl> Kamion: ok, just wanted to let you know.
[05:16] <Kamion> svenl: thanks
[05:17] <Kamion> svenl: I think I vaguely heard about that bug but it's good to know exactly ...
[05:17] <svenl> Kamion: the motherboard didn't like to boot from the scsi drive on the adaptec controller.
[05:17] <carthik> RuffianSoldier, in a minute
[05:17] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[05:17] <RuffianSoldier> ty
[05:17] <svenl> but when i got the dvd-burner from my pegasos box, it worked, altough video mode is strange.
[05:17] <Andrei_V> How do I identify to NickServ from centericq ???
[05:18] <svenl> As for promise ata raid, u-i (?) shows individual disks, so this probably means if i install them, i will not be able to see them.
[05:18] <svenl> Will move them to via sata, and do software raid on them.
[05:20] <Xophe> Kamion: do bug reports generated by reportbug go somewhere useful for ubuntu developers?
[05:20] <carthik> RuffianSoldier, go to /etc/gdm/
[05:20] <Kamion> Xophe: ubuntu-users at the moment; it's not great ...
[05:20] <Xophe> is your dislike of filtering ubuntu-users for useful bug reports greater than my dislike of bugzilla?
[05:20] <daniels> Kamion: have you got anything already on the l-r-m udeb front I could steal?
[05:20] <RuffianSoldier> carthik - ok
[05:23] <carthik> RuffianSoldier, there ought to be another way, add a file called .Xsession to you home directory
[05:23] <Kamion> daniels: not quite, but nearly; mind if I just upload it when I'm done and you can rev it again after that?
[05:23] <carthik> one second, let me search for a forum link for you
[05:23] <RuffianSoldier> carthik - im confused
[05:23] <Kamion> test-building now
[05:24] <Kamion> Xophe: the main issue is that ubuntu-users bug reports don't get saved, and are liable to get lost unless they can be fixed immediately
[05:24] <daniels> Kamion: sure, sounds fine to me
[05:24] <Xophe> Kamion: ok, that sounds suboptimal
[05:24] <bip> what brought u all to ubuntu ?
[05:24] <Xophe> I guess I'll have to fight with bugzilla then
[05:24] <bip> i come fromn debian ...
[05:24] <bip> and it looks like it might be an improvement ...
[05:25] <bip> i like the fixed release cycle ...
[05:25] <carthik> RuffianSoldier, I'm sorry, but I cannot find a file I thought should be there...
[05:25] <carthik> anyways, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1211&highlight=xsession is a beginning
[05:25] <bip> and the way packager r bundled into logical groups
[05:27] <carthik> RuffianSoldier, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2920 is what I was looking for
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> well - KDE might use different parameters
[05:33] <Xophe> Right, that's it
[05:33] <Xophe> I would like to report a bug against linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic
[05:33] <Xophe> and I really would like to help you folks
[05:33] <Xophe> but that package is unknown to bugzilla
[05:33] <sid77> anyone have tried hoary on a powerbook? last time I dist-upgraded I got a nice 800x600 xorg (which on a 12" is not really usable)
[05:33] <Xophe> (and my patience is beginning to wear slightly thin)
[05:35] <Fergi> hi all, i am a beginner, sorry for my stupid question, he he he, would you mind  to tell me how to install tex, latex, kile in ubuntu, I just install my ubuntu an hour ago
[05:36] <spiv> Xophe: Just file it against UNKNOWN
[05:37] <farruinn> Fergi, take a look at Synaptic in the Computer > System Configuration menu
[05:37] <farruinn> that is a graphical front-end to the apt package management system
[05:37] <Fergi> Got it, thx so much
[05:37] <netmonk> Fergi, check out this guide http://ubuntuguide.org/ , check for the Repositories section and then Add-On Applications
[05:39] <Xophe> spiv: where should I report bugs against bugzilla?
[05:39] <spiv> Xophe: In the Websites component.
[05:39] <spiv> Xophe: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Websites
[05:40] <Xophe> thanks
[05:40] <spiv> s/component/product/... I always forget bugzilla's terminology :)
[05:40] <spiv> Xophe: Thank you for being patient enough to report bugs :)
[05:43] <Xophe> having come from Debian's bug reporting, I have to wonder why Ubuntu has made it harder for its users
[05:43] <Xophe> presumably there's a corresponding improvement for the developers, but...
[05:44] <Tomcat_> What is a good address book apart from Evolution and Thunderbird?
[05:45] <sebas> kaddressbook (in kdepim)
[05:46] <Kamion> Xophe: only a temporary measure while we finish our bug tracking system
[05:47] <Kamion> Xophe: kernel bugs in general go against 'linux'
[05:47] <Kamion> Xophe: no, there isn't really a corresponding improvement for the developers particularly in the current situation
[05:48] <Xophe> oh.  oh well
[05:49] <Kamion> the new system when finished will have e-mail submission, and will (we hope ...) be a significant improvement
[05:49] <Xophe> from my point of view, definitely
[05:54] <mart> hmmm... hello. what is archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-1/ ?
[05:55] <bob2> test cds for hoary
[05:55] <RubenV> pre release for hoary cds
[05:55] <mart> and that's different to the daily builds?
[05:56] <RuffianSoldier> wtf?
[05:57] <RuffianSoldier> ok - I realized I did apt-get install kdesktop instead of apt-get install kde
[05:57] <RuffianSoldier> and now I cant apt-get install kde
[05:57] <RuffianSoldier> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:57] <RuffianSoldier>   kde: Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed
[05:57] <RuffianSoldier>        Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed
[05:57] <RuffianSoldier> E: Broken packages
[05:58] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: are you using hoary?
[05:58] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 - yes
[05:58] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: then that's be expected
[05:59] <RuffianSoldier> didnt they add KDE 3.3.1 yeserday bob2?
[05:59] <bob2> I see some 3.3.2 uploads
[05:59] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[05:59] <RuffianSoldier> i want it :-(
[06:00] <RuffianSoldier> anyway I can download the ubuntu .deb from the repos with a browser then install it from that?
[06:00] <RuffianSoldier> or anywhere I can get the ubuntu kde.deb?
[06:00] <bob2> erm, that won't help
[06:01] <emanuelez> hello *
[06:01] <RuffianSoldier> well - will this KDE problem be fixed?  I havent used the new KDE yet - i really want to
[06:01] <farruinn> RuffianSoldier: kde is a meta package, so dpkg -i kde.deb won't do you much
[06:02] <RuffianSoldier> well - anyone else have problems install KDE in hoary?
[06:02] <ctr> how do I change this nautilus back to the older school
[06:02] <emanuelez> i have a problem with gnome menus: i installed azureus so i added a new item to the menu as documented in ubuntuguide.org but nothing works. itt added the item but nothing happens when i click it
[06:03] <farruinn> ctr, preferences, behaviour tab, always open in browser
[06:03] <stuNNed_> hi all
[06:03] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 - im guessing some required KDE packages havent been added to the repos yet?  so KDE wont install...... am I correct?
[06:04] <emanuelez> RuffianSoldier, ubuntu developers are not really focusing on kde... i wonder if k3b works...
[06:05] <RuffianSoldier> emanuelez - I have known that for ages - my question is - since the latest KDE is in hoary repos - why am I not able to get it?
[06:05] <gangalino> I'm having trouble understanding how to share my RealPlayer w/ other logins. whereis doesn't even show realplay for other users
[06:05] <zAo^^> lo all
[06:06] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: I don't know, check the bts
[06:06] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: you can't get it because it's not all there
[06:06] <RuffianSoldier> thats what I thought
[06:07] <zAo^^> I had no updates for 3 days now; what is wrong? (standard sources on Warty)
[06:07] <mart> gangalino: how did you install it?
[06:07] <bob2> zAo^^: warty only gets security updates
[06:08] <farruinn> zAo^^: I know, isn't it great! ;-)
[06:08] <RuffianSoldier> zAo^^ Just upgrade to Hoary - I did - and it was easy
[06:09] <gangalino> mart: by typing "./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin". Follow the prompts provided to finish installing the player.
[06:09] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: please don't encourage random people to do that
[06:09] <RuffianSoldier> :-(
[06:09] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[06:09] <RuffianSoldier> I enjoy Hoary though
[06:09] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[06:09] <gangalino> there's even a share directory in my home
[06:09] <xt> How do I change priority between alsa-cards ?
[06:10] <xt> I'm getting the tv-card-snd-device as first ;(
[06:10] <zAo^^> RuffianSoldier, I did 2. Failed in all ways...
[06:10] <RuffianSoldier> hmmm
[06:10] <RuffianSoldier> went perfect for me
[06:10] <mart> gangalino: I've not been using ubuntu for long, but in debian I was using alien to convert the helix player rpm to a deb and installing that
[06:10] <zAo^^> I need to open my RAW pictures in Gimp. In Debian Sarge I could...
[06:11] <farruinn> zAo^^: perhaps you need mrwtoppm-gimp?
[06:12] <zAo^^> farruinn, never heard of :) What is it?
[06:12] <farruinn> zAo^^: I don't know, I just ran `apt-cache search raw | grep gimp'
[06:12] <zAo^^> GIMP-plugin to support Minolta DiMAGE 5/7/7i RAW images
[06:13] <farruinn> is that what you're looking for?
[06:13] <zAo^^> I need Canon's. I did that 2 :)
[06:15] <nxvl> hi
[06:15] <nxvl> Ubuntu came's with Xorg or XFree?
[06:16] <farruinn> ubhuti xorg
[06:16] <ubhuti> xorg is available in hoary.  XFree86 is in warty.
[06:16] <bob2> warty with xfree86, hoary with x.org
[06:16] <gangalino> any neomagic soundcard users here?
[06:16] <nxvl> thnx
[06:26] <NanoTek> hey
[06:27] <NanoTek> ? Could someone post here the result of : cat ~/.bashrc
[06:27] <NanoTek> thx :p
[06:28] <spity> hi
[06:28] <NanoTek> hi spity
[06:30] <rodi> NanoTek: "No such file or directory"
[06:30] <rodi> ;)
[06:31] <NanoTek> Oo lol thx
[06:34] <tritium> sucks to your assmar!
[06:40] <spiral> hello
[06:40] <spiral> does anyone here use kde on hoary ?
[06:40] <cenerentola> never ;)
[06:40] <spiral> :-)
[06:41] <veshen> which advantages takes hoary over warty?
[06:41] <cenerentola> why are u looking for kde?
[06:41] <ctr> veshen, firefox 1.0
[06:41] <veshen> thanks ctr
[06:42] <ctr> ven: various other things, but I upgraded to hoary for it
[06:42] <zAo^^> farruinn, the Minolta way didnt work :D
[06:42] <veshen> have you got any problems with hoary crc?
[06:43] <veshen> sorry, ctr
[06:43] <bob2> ctr: what does firefox 1.0 do that 0.9.3 doesn't?
[06:43] <cenerentola> bob2: let's say is more trendy?!
[06:43] <NanoTek> re
[06:43] <Synek> much more
[06:43] <Synek> ;>
[06:44] <sebas> 1.0 has quite another 'find feature', IIRC.
[06:44] <sebas> No extra window anymore, but a wider status bar at the bottom.
[06:44] <Synek> indeed
[06:44] <bob2> 0.9.3 has typeahead find, too
[06:44] <sebas> Also some security fixes, IIRC.
[06:44] <ctr> bob: there ate various tweaks, my favorite is the better in-page-searching
[06:44] <sebas> bob2: I didn't mean typeahead, but a different find widget.
[06:45] <ctr> when you type you get a thing at the bottom
[06:45] <ctr> and you can jump forwards, backwrds, highlight words
[06:45] <sebas> That's not typeahead find, is it?
[06:45] <sebas> typeahead is the one *without* pressing control + F.
[06:45] <cenerentola> q lulu
[06:45] <ctr> think so
[06:46] <veshen> what other things are worth in hoary?
[06:46] <ctr> er
[06:46] <veshen> does it give much problems?
[06:46] <ctr> I think they use X.org's server rather than Xfree86
[06:47] <ctr> the version of gnome is more current
[06:47] <mart> veshen: x.org seems to work better with laptops (mine at least)
[06:47] <ctr> to be honest
[06:47] <ctr> #i installed warty yesterday
[06:47] <ctr> and upgraded to hoary last night
[06:47] <Kamion> mart: the Array CDs get some degree of QA; dailies are totally automatic
[06:47] <zerokarmaleft> veshen, you should be prepared to find certain things broken/mishaving in hoary
[06:48] <Kamion> mart: which CD were you using when you had to use mknod?
[06:48] <veshen> thanks zerokarmaleft
[06:48] <zAo^> lol ^^ laptop :)
[06:49] <mart> Kamion: todays daily.  anything else and it would have been more than just a raised eyebrow :)
[06:49] <veshen> so warty is more reasonable to work, and hoary to investigate?
[06:49] <ctr> ves: I have had no problems with haory
[06:49] <Kamion> mart: the dailies use udev; there is expected to be some device chaos, but I'd like a copy of your /var/log/debian-installer/* after the install to see what's wrong
[06:50] <veshen> ctr: which version of gnome comes with hoary?
[06:51] <ctr> veshen, how do I find out ?
[06:51] <zerokarmaleft> veshen, the latest 2.9.x release IIRC
[06:51] <veshen> ok, thanks ctr and zerokarmaleft
[06:51] <mart> Kamion: I don't know if there'll be an "after the install" on that, hang on, and I'll boot it again
[06:51] <veshen> one last question please, which is the best way to update to hoary?
[06:52] <bip> i think i have a brokem cd player ...
[06:52] <Kamion> mart: note that the node needs to be in /dev/cdroms/
[06:52] <ctr> I followed the instructions on the wiki
[06:52] <ctr> which, were,
[06:52] <ctr> setup apt-sources.list and then dist-upgrade
[06:52] <bip> if i pick the expert option in the installer , will it let me install over a network ?
[06:53] <veshen> ctr: thanks a lot
[06:53] <ctr> ves: np
[06:53] <suix> hi
[06:53] <ctr> I am on a ibook so I am not sure if that makes a difference
[06:53] <bip> im trym
[06:54] <bip> im tryin to install into a Imac ctd
[06:54] <bip> im tryin to install into a Imac ctr
[06:54] <mart> Kamion: it has worked this time!
[06:54] <bip> i dont know if tha makes a difference
[06:54] <ctr> kip: ahh
[06:55] <ctr> kip: doubt it
[06:56] <ctr> gah I hate writing documentation
[06:57] <lillo> hello
[06:57] <lillo> can someone help me? I have a problem
[06:57] <rodi> you don't have to ask to ask.  Just ask ;)
[06:57] <carthik> lillo ask and someone might help
[06:57] <lillo> ok :)
[06:57] <carthik> :)
[06:57] <lillo> just installed ubuntu on a SATA drive
[06:58] <lillo> my system has a SATA 120 GB HD and another 10 GB IDE disk
[06:58] <lillo> the SATA disk has a primary partition with WinXP on it
[06:58] <lillo> I installed Ubuntu on a new partition on this SATA disk
[06:58] <lillo> the install asked me if I wanted to install grub and I let it do it
[06:59] <mart> Kamion: very weird, I can't break it again.  Perhaps my laptop didn't reset properly or something, it's detected it twice on 'linux' and once on 'expert' since
[06:59] <lillo> but now when I choose to run Windows, it just halts and doesn't load anymore
[06:59] <lillo> how can I solve this issue?
[07:00] <Kamion> mart: udev and hotplug have some race conditions
[07:00] <Kamion> mart: I've personally seen problems I haven't been able to debug because they go away when I try to look into them
[07:01] <Kamion> mart: there's light at the end of the tunnel though: a udev/hotplug rewrite is happening that will apparently fix most of that
[07:01] <rodi> lillo: if you installed GRUB on the MBR, your Windows might be fuxxored :(
[07:01] <lillo> yes I did :(
[07:01] <RuffianSoldier> You can download a Hoary ISO already?
[07:01] <lillo> any way to fix this?
[07:01] <rodi> lillo: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html is a good guide
[07:02] <Kamion> RuffianSoldier: gotta test newer installer code somehow
[07:02] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[07:02] <rodi> I think you'll have to mount the windows disk, save whatever you can, then re-install, lillo.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong- haven't run windows in close to five years.
[07:02] <RuffianSoldier> so technically - Hoary is out
[07:02] <mart> what's the coolest file system?
[07:02] <Kamion> no, obviously it isn't
[07:02] <tseng> filesystems arent supposed to be cool
[07:02] <lillo> rodi, thanks. And I hope you're wrong and I can restore my install
[07:02] <tseng> they are supposed to work
[07:03] <tseng> ext3 works :)
[07:03] <Kamion> the ISO images are marked "Alpha"
[07:03] <RuffianSoldier>  hoary-install-i386.iso
[07:03] <RuffianSoldier> http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/5.04/array-1/
[07:03] <tseng> thats an array
[07:03] <tseng> very first pre-release
[07:03] <mart> tseng: reiser, ext3 and xfs have all worked for me.  I have to make my mind up somehow...
[07:03] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[07:03] <RuffianSoldier> PR
[07:03] <Kamion> RuffianSoldier: I'm aware of it, I built and published it ;)
[07:03] <rodi> mart: what do you need it to do?
[07:04] <RuffianSoldier> Kamion - you built and published Ubuntu? huh?
[07:04] <rodi> Kamion: hehe, "aware"
[07:04] <Kamion> RuffianSoldier: I'm the developer responsible for building CD images.
[07:04] <RuffianSoldier> aaaaaah
[07:04] <mart> rodi: store files? :)
[07:04] <RuffianSoldier> Im talking to a celebrety everyone!
[07:04] <RuffianSoldier> Kamion!
[07:04] <rodi> mart: are you looking for stability? speed?  fast recovery?
[07:04] <Kamion> dude, a number of developers hang out on #ubuntu
[07:05] <RuffianSoldier> im just being silly
[07:05] <Kamion> I noticed ;)
[07:05] <RuffianSoldier> I did find Hoary very easy to upgrade to
[07:05] <lillo> hummm, really, any way to restore the winXP MBR? This starts to look scary
[07:05] <RuffianSoldier> I had 100% success
[07:05] <RuffianSoldier> lillo - your the 2nd person today to have WinXP MBR problems
[07:05] <mart> rodi: as far as I remember XFS has relatively slow deletes, I think that's helpful for me
[07:05] <lillo> heh
[07:06] <RuffianSoldier> seriously - Ubuntu has bad luck with XP - it messed  up my 50 Gigger
[07:06] <JanC> sounds like good luck
[07:06] <RuffianSoldier> heh
[07:07] <mart> XFS is cool enough for now
[07:07] <zerokarmaleft> does fixmbr from the rescue console work?
[07:07] <JanC> 1 shot and XP was death
[07:07] <JanC> :-)
[07:07] <lillo> fixmbr? Don't know it...
[07:07] <RuffianSoldier> Why Ubuntu Why! I love yoU! Why did you destroy my 50GB Hard Drive! Damn You Ubuntu! :-D
[07:08] <njs12345> hmm..
[07:08] <njs12345> gnome-panel is kind of messed up
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> explian?
[07:08] <zerokarmaleft> lillo, boot up the XP cd, and there should be an option for an emergency console
[07:08] <Kamion> Hoary has a newer version of parted in the installer, which may help with the Windows cooperation problems
[07:08] <njs12345> my top panel is just blank and doesn't respond when I right click or drag it around, while the bottom one works as normal
[07:08] <Kamion> (not Array 1, but dailies and the future Array 2)
[07:08] <njs12345> but the top one is needed to start programs, so it's kind of useless
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> restart
[07:08] <zerokarmaleft> lillo, and fixmbr /?...since i don't remember any of the command line options
[07:09] <lillo> hm, ok thanks
[07:09] <njs12345> RuffianSoldier: if you were talking to me, I've tried that ;)
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> :-/
[07:09] <lillo> later I guess I should NOT install grub on the MBR
[07:10] <njs12345> I'm using 2.9.2cvs041212-0ubuntu3
[07:10] <zerokarmaleft> lillo, indeed :)
[07:10] <zerokarmaleft> lillo, i keep XP on a separate disk
[07:10] <lillo> heh
[07:10] <zerokarmaleft> god i hate dual booting
[07:11] <Ubuntu> zerokarmaleft - Ubuntu added all 3 of my other OSs into GRUB
[07:11] <Ubuntu> I registered this nick hehehe
[07:11] <njs12345> lol
[07:12] <zerokarmaleft> lol, nick squatter!
[07:12] <Ubuntu> nick squatter?
[07:12] <Ubuntu> huh?
[07:12] <lillo> ok, going to try restoring, thanks people!
[07:12] <lillo> bye
[07:12] <rodi> good luck lifeless
[07:12] <rodi> heh, oops.
[07:12] <rodi> s/lifeless/lillo/
[07:12] <njs12345> how can I force the install of a specific version of a package?
[07:13] <njs12345> with apt, of course
[07:13] <Ubuntu> hahahahah
[07:13] <njs12345> I'm going to try downgrading
[07:13] <Ubuntu> HOld a gun to your computer
[07:13] <housetier> njs12345 apt-get install package=1.2.5
[07:13] <njs12345> thanks housetier
[07:13] <housetier> good luck1
[07:13] <housetier> !
[07:15] <Kamion> njs12345: (note that the version in question must be in one of the Packages files corresponding to the deb lines currently in /etc/apt/sources.list)
[07:15] <unperson> If you're installing a non-packaged library, where is the normal place to put the headers?  Would it be /usr/local/include?
[07:18] <RuffianSoldier> channel dead
[07:18] <unperson> eh?
[07:18] <RuffianSoldier> channel dead
[07:19] <RuffianSoldier> call the coranor
[07:20] <RuffianSoldier> hi
[07:20] <njs12345> hmm strang
[07:20] <njs12345> if I run strace on gnome-panel it stops on a poll () call
[07:21] <seb128> njs12345, killall gnome-panel gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus trashapplet
[07:22] <RuffianSoldier> Gnome robots owns
[07:23] <njs12345> seb128: that worked! woot
[07:23] <mart> I wonder if openstuff.net could be persuaded to do some ubuntu merchandise
[07:23] <njs12345> so it would appear to be a gnome-vfs bug
[07:24] <ionic> hey
[07:24] <ionic> i need help
[07:24] <RuffianSoldier> spamming?
[07:24] <ionic> how to make my nvidia card get accelerated
[07:24] <ionic> ??
[07:24] <ionic> im on ubuntu
[07:24] <RuffianSoldier> well - I dont see why you would come here if you werent
[07:24] <seb128> njs12345, yes
[07:25] <RuffianSoldier> DRI
[07:25] <Agrajag> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:25] <njs12345> well thanks a lot seb
[07:25] <njs12345> brb
[07:27] <ionic> i did
[07:27] <ionic> but wont work
[07:28] <ionic> ok its working now
[07:28] <ionic> thanks
[07:30] <darren> I know Ubuntu uses the .deb package, but I also read that it can use RPM, is this true?
[07:30] <alexissoft> hi
[07:30] <fulvioo> install Alien
[07:30] <Agrajag> darren: well not really
[07:30] <Agrajag> I guess you could use alien though
[07:30] <njs12345> yeah - I think you'd do something like this:
[07:30] <Ribs> darren: use .deb files whenever you can
[07:31] <njs12345> dpkg -d <rpm file>; dpkg *.deb
[07:31] <njs12345> oops
[07:31] <njs12345> alien -d <rpm file>; dpkg *.deb
[07:31] <darren> There's only a rpm on the sun site
[07:31] <njs12345> but yeah deb is better
[07:31] <njs12345> oh
[07:31] <Agrajag> for java?
[07:31] <fulvioo> get the .bin
[07:31] <Agrajag> darren: http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[07:31] <njs12345> see also
[07:31] <Agrajag> read that, someone made a deb for it
[07:32] <njs12345> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/wiki/Java
[07:32] <darren> If I install from the bin, Azureus can't find java
[07:32] <Agrajag> it works for me
[07:32] <fulvioo> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:33] <zAo^> does gimptool exist for Ubuntu?
[07:34] <Agrajag> hm, apt-cache search gimptool returns libgimp2.0-dev
[07:35] <Agrajag> maybe it's in there
[07:35] <tritium> man, gconf-editor crashes _every_ time I click on /apps/evolution/mail
[07:36] <marcellus> "It also includes the gimptool-2.0 utility."
[07:36] <zAo^> thanks Agrajag , I should try that first ;-)
[07:37] <tsk1979> ubuntu is build upon debian... right?
[07:37] <tsk1979> so apt-get is built into it
[07:37] <BeanDip> I have a problem I can't fix in hoary.  There is a file in conflict between the latest kdelibs package and the gnome-menu package.  I have tried apt-get -f install, apt-get -f ugrade, and pretty much everything standard.  I have tried apt-get remove kdelibs. apt-get clean, No matter what I try, apt and dpkg die with the following errors:
[07:37] <BeanDip> Unpacking gnome-menus (from .../gnome-menus_2.9.2cvs041212-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[07:37] <BeanDip> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-menus_2.9.2cvs041212-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:37] <BeanDip>  trying to overwrite `/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu', which is also in package kdelibs-data
[07:37] <tsk1979> i am a gentoo user, thinking about moving
[07:37] <BeanDip> can anyone help?
[07:37] <mart> BeanDip: the wonderful world of dpkg --force-overwrite
[07:39] <mart> BeanDip: I would try dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-menus__2.9.2cvs041212-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[07:39] <marsjays> anyone know how to get a 3com officeconnect wifi adapter working?
[07:39] <zAo^> great, RAW file loaded :)
[07:39] <zAo^> which chipset?
[07:39] <mart> BeanDip: it's a bit of a last resort option
[07:39] <marcellus> I used that last resort last night.
[07:39] <BeanDip> mart
[07:39] <BeanDip> no dice
[07:39] <tsk1979> does the ubuntu install CD(latest) support SATA natively?
[07:39] <BeanDip> now I get the following:
[07:40] <BeanDip> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gnome-menus:
[07:40] <BeanDip>  gnome-menus depends on libgnome-menu0; however:
[07:40] <BeanDip>   Package libgnome-menu0 is not configured yet.
[07:40] <BeanDip>  gnome-menus depends on libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.9.1); however:
[07:40] <BeanDip>   Package libgnomevfs2-0 is not configured yet.
[07:40] <tsk1979> or do i have to first install it and then enable SATA support by rebuilding?
[07:40] <mart> BeanDip: dpkg --configure -a  or dpkg --configure libgnomevfs2-0
[07:41] <marcellus> Ubuntu supported SATA for me (Debian didn't).
[07:41] <superted> xorg says that my nvidia kernel module is version 6111 whilst my other is 6229, how can i update the kernel module?
[07:42] <mart> BeanDip: it usually takes a few goes to get everything to sit nicely
[07:42] <mart> BeanDip: particularly when there is a lot of interdependent packages
[07:42] <murf> there is no X in the installation cd ? it have to be installed from net ?
[07:43] <Kamion> X is on the CD
[07:44] <Kamion> as is the standard Ubuntu desktop
[07:44] <Kamion> BeanDip: might wanna try 'apt-get -f install' now
[07:44] <mart> murf: hazarding a guess, if you pick 'server' it might not install X
[07:45] <mart> murf: at the CD boot prompt, I mean
[07:46] <murf> mart: oh you are probaly right, i just hit the enter ... ;-)
[07:49] <Simira> lulu: I put up a UbuntuWomen page on the wiki, and added my article
[07:51] <taurex> just installed ubuntu just getting to grips with it, I'm a redhat/fedora user, where do I put the default gateway?
[07:52] <bob2>  /etc/network/interfaces
[07:52] <cardador> taurex: computer > syst conf > network
[07:52] <taurex> so it goes together with the ip?
[07:52] <taurex> cardador: thx but I'm text only
[07:53] <cardador> ah
[07:53] <lillo> hello again
[07:53] <lillo> I have another problem :P
[07:53] <HcE> How come there is no kernel-image-2.4.28-i386 and kernel-headers-2.4.28?
[07:54] <bob2> HcE: are you using warty?
[07:54] <HcE> only kernel-headers for m68k
[07:54] <njs12345> taurex: should look something like this - http://pastebin.ca/2983
[07:54] <lillo> in order to restore the MBR with fixmbr, I need to boot the WinXP CD... but I need the SATA drivers too
[07:54] <HcE> bob2: I'm browsing the pool
[07:54] <HcE> may be I'm that's blind
[07:54] <lillo> which are on my motherboard CD
[07:54] <Kamion> HcE: kernel-* is generally random crap left over from Debian
[07:54] <Kamion> HcE: our kernels are linux-*
[07:54] <HcE> doh!
[07:54] <HcE> right...
[07:54] <bob2> HcE: 2.4 is not supported on ubuntu, and kernel-blah is debian stuff, not ubuntu
[07:54] <lillo> I need to copy these on a 1.4 MB disk
[07:54] <HcE> *look again*
[07:54] <HcE> I need 2.4 kernel =/
[07:54] <lillo> but the problem is Ubuntu doesn't recognize my floppy!!
[07:54] <njs12345> HcE: why?
[07:55] <taurex> njs12345: thanks a lot
[07:55] <HcE> because of touchscreen driver only written for 2.4
[07:55] <njs12345> oh.. that sucks, I pity you
[07:55] <lillo> whenever I try to open a floppy, it says "unable to mount volume"
[07:56] <lillo> when I try the format utility, it says "unable to open device, program aborting"
[07:56] <HcE> njs12345: it's about 200 lines, so I think maybe I'll just rewrite the driver for 2.6 kernel
[07:56] <njs12345> heh cool
[07:56] <njs12345> I've done a little kernel programming before.. just enough to get my hands wet, but still, I was pretty proud of myself
[07:56] <HcE> but it's not my code, and I've never written a kernel module
[07:57] <njs12345> hmm
[07:57] <njs12345> HcE: put the code on pastebin (http://pastebin.ca/)
[07:58] <HcE> hmm
[07:58] <lillo> can anyone help me accessing my floppy? I have urgent need to
[07:59] <njs12345> lillo: does this work
[07:59] <njs12345> cat /dev/fd0
[07:59] <njs12345> you ought to get lots of random crap
[07:59] <lillo> heh, /dev/fd0: No such file or directory (!)
[07:59] <marsjays> i'm having problems with my home-brewed kernels.. they wont boot, i just get a message saying "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,4)"
[08:00] <njs12345> oh dear
[08:00] <HcE> njs12345: pastebin.ca really slow?
[08:00] <njs12345> oh ok.. there are loads of other ones
[08:00] <natty> hi everyone!
[08:00] <njs12345> try
[08:00] <njs12345> http://pastebin.uniformserver.com/
[08:01] <natty> i have a couple of probs i cant solve, can i get help with ubuntu probs in here?
[08:01] <marsjays> lillo, njs12345: actually, since ubuntu runs devfs per default, the floppy is at /dev/fd/0 or something similar
[08:01] <njs12345> oh
[08:01] <Kamion> marsjays: Ubuntu doesn't run devfs by default
[08:01] <njs12345> well, I'm using Hoary, so it might be different
[08:01] <njs12345> yeah, i thought it ran udev by default?
[08:02] <Kamion> correct, with traditional paths
[08:02] <lillo> humm, doing cat /dev/fd/0 does give nothing... I have to ctrl-c
[08:02] <Kamion> marsjays: the Warty installer uses devfs and the Hoary installer uses udev with devfs-style paths, but that's different
[08:02] <HcE> njs12345: http://pastebin.uniformserver.com/pastebin.php?show=27
[08:02] <marsjays> Kamion: ok.. but the path was right :)
[08:03] <Kamion> marsjays: only in the installer. post-install, it's /dev/fd0.
[08:03] <Kamion> unless I'm confused :)
[08:03] <marsjays> Kamion: not on my hoary system it isn't :-P
[08:03] <natty> ok i guess i'll just shoot :) problem: i want to connect my laptop to my desktop. they both have wireless, but i dont know how to add the wireless card to ubuntu after i've installed ndiswrapper.ie:how do i set it to recive(be an access point), and forward packets to the laptop?
[08:04] <lil_anthony> can someone tell me how to check a drive for bad blocks isn't hte command badblocks /dev/hda?
[08:04] <marsjays> anyone know why my homebrewed kernels wont boot?
[08:05] <natty> marsjays, whats the error?
[08:05] <Kamion> marsjays: there'll be a /dev/fd/0, but I'm betting that /dev/fd is a symlink to /proc/self/fd, which has nothing to do with floppy drives
[08:05] <marsjays> Kamion: hmm, ok..
[08:05] <Kamion> so /dev/fd/0 is the standard input file descriptor
[08:05] <Kamion> from what I can see floppies are still /dev/fdN
[08:05] <marsjays> natty: "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,4)"
[08:06] <natty> marsjays, did you compile support for the filesystem type into the kernel?
[08:06] <HcE> marsjays: did you compile your filesystem type into the kernel?
[08:06] <HcE> natty: ;)
[08:06] <marsjays> Kamion: ah, oh yeah.. forgot to insert the floppy module ;D
[08:06] <marsjays> natty, HcE: yes
[08:07] <Kamion> marsjays: heh
[08:07] <marsjays> lillo: sudo modprobe floppy; ls /dev/fd*
[08:08] <darren> I installed jre from the bin file, but it installed it to my home dir. Where's it supposed to be installed?
[08:08] <lillo> heh, now it's reading it
[08:08] <lillo> why the hell is the floppy module not loaded at startup?
[08:09] <pepsi_> whats a floppy?
[08:09] <pepsi_> ;)
[08:09] <natty> marsjays, tbh i dont know any other reason for that error, i've only got that when i've not put reister in the kernel and tried to boot
[08:09] <marsjays> pepsi_: hehe
[08:09] <lillo> thanks a lot btw :)
[08:09] <natty> or double check you put ide support in there too
[08:10] <marsjays> lillo: if you want to load the floppy module at boot, just add it to /etc/modules
[08:10] <njs12345> HcE: fixed one build error :)
[08:10] <njs12345> only 7 left..
[08:10] <HcE> hey
[08:11] <lillo> marsjays, tnx, I'll keep it in mind
[08:11] <alexissoft> warty => hoary pfiiioouuuuu
[08:11] <alexissoft> hard :)
[08:11] <HcE> njs12345: is it tricky work, or easy doable?
[08:12] <njs12345> the first one was really easy, but the next ones look a bit harder
[08:12] <HcE> ok
[08:13] <njs12345> the first one is in the line
[08:14] <njs12345>  if (usb_submit_urb(&mydev->readurb))
[08:14] <njs12345> I looked up usb_submit_urb on lxr.linux.no and it's got a new argument, of which the default seems to be GFP_KERNEL, so just used that
[08:15] <njs12345> changed it to
[08:15] <njs12345>         if (usb_submit_urb(&mydev->readurb, GFP_KERNEL))
[08:15] <HcE> ok *make mental note*
[08:16] <titanfox> hello. I want to know how I can download and configure a linux kernel for Ubuntu
[08:17] <titanfox> I want to install 2.6.8.1-k7. Downloading is not a problem, but I also want to edit the settings
[08:17] <cenerentola> carlos: buenas noche de puta madre
[08:17] <Agrajag|gone> that's not very nice
[08:17] <carlos> cenerentola: you need to learn more words :-P
[08:17] <titanfox> or how do I configure a existing ubuntu installation ?
[08:18] <titanfox> it loads a wrong driver for my scsi board
[08:18] <titanfox> err. module
[08:18] <cenerentola> carlos: will u be my teacher... nasty teacher?
[08:18] <cenerentola> carlos: obviously joking, dont misunderstand anything
[08:18] <carlos> cenerentola: ;-)
[08:18] <carlos> don't worry
[08:19] <njs12345> ok
[08:19] <njs12345> HcE: found the next few errors :)
[08:19] <HcE> hihi
[08:20] <HcE> njs12345: nice...
[08:20] <HcE> lack of words
[08:22] <craig_> Hey Ogra, I was told to ask you about Mr Burns on the forum.. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6708&page=2&pp=10 is this your project?
[08:22] <noirequus> howdy
[08:23] <njs12345> ok
[08:23] <njs12345> HcE: I've got it to build
[08:24] <HcE> njs12345: nice =)
[08:24] <njs12345> but I dunno if it'll run
[08:24] <noirequus> anybody got powerpc experience?
[08:24] <HcE> hehe, I'll be able to test i tomorrow I hope
[08:24] <HcE> the touchscreens are at work
[08:24] <njs12345> do you want the source code?
[08:25] <HcE> njs12345: that would be excellent
[08:25] <njs12345> ok
[08:25] <tritium> Anybody else experience gconf-editor crashing if you try to open /apps/evolution/mail ?
[08:25] <tritium> (in Hoary)
[08:25] <njs12345> now, there are few "assignment from incompatible pointer type errors" that may well cause it to segfault/etc
[08:25] <njs12345> I'll try fixing them
[08:26] <HcE> ok (=
[08:26] <njs12345> http://pastebin.uniformserver.com/pastebin.php?show=28
[08:26] <njs12345> for the time being, that's my buildable source
[08:28] <ctw> Hi everybody! Does anyone here know if I can install ubunto on an apple ibook with a G3 processor (the information on the ubuntu website suggest that ubuntu requires G4 or G5, but the wording is not entirely clear)
[08:28] <zerokarmaleft> omg, lillo
[08:28] <zerokarmaleft> lillo, just got back from lunch...noticed you're having to jump through some more hoops :/
[08:31] <HcE> njs12345: do I grab wrong or did you paste the old code?
[08:32] <njs12345> HcE: I just got it to build perfectly :)
[08:32] <njs12345> wait a sec
[08:32] <njs12345> what makefile are you using?
[08:32] <HcE> a really small one
[08:33] <noirequus> ctw go right ahead with your ibook install
[08:33] <njs12345> show me it
[08:33] <Dawson64> I've just installed Ubuntu 64 bit... any ideas how I can isntall ATI drivers?
[08:33] <HcE> njs12345: http://pastebin.uniformserver.com/pastebin.php?show=29
[08:33] <njs12345> ah
[08:33] <njs12345> ok
[08:33] <Agrajag|gone> Does ATI even make 64-bit drivers?
[08:33] <HcE> don't remember if I needed to tweak it, I'm getting the old source directly now
[08:34] <njs12345> you need an even smaller makefile ;)
[08:34] <HcE> hihi
[08:34] <Dawson64> Agrajag|gone: I don't think so... but even 2D support would be nice. I can't change above 1024 x 768... I'd like to be able to use 1600 x 1200.
[08:34] <njs12345> obj-m := itmtouch.o
[08:34] <njs12345> just that one line
[08:34] <njs12345> then you do
[08:35] <njs12345> sudo make -C <kernel source code path> SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
[08:35] <HcE> ok
[08:35] <ctw> thanks noirequus! Have you done an install on a G3 ... is there anything I should look out for?
[08:36] <zerokarmaleft> njs12345, are you working on a USB driver?
[08:36] <njs12345> yeah, I was.. but I think I just finished
[08:36] <njs12345> I'm not sure about whether the last fix I made will mess it up
[08:36] <HcE> hihi
[08:37] <zerokarmaleft> i'm in the middle of writing one too
[08:37] <noirequus> well, i've not actually installed ubuntu, but my ibook cratered last night and osx wouldnt install in any fashion
[08:37] <noirequus> so i put YDL on it (i had the disks laying around)
[08:38] <noirequus> am now torrenting the ubuntu image and gonna put that on
[08:38] <noirequus> i had no probs with YDL, i just prefer debian
[08:38] <ctw> what's YDL?
[08:39] <noirequus> i don't like redhat linux (ydl is based on it), but the rpm hell seems to be fixed with "yum" yellowdog update manager
[08:39] <noirequus> yellow dog linux www.yellowdoglinux
[08:39] <noirequus> one of the older ppc linux distros
[08:40] <marsjays> ah, i finally got my kernel to boot.. but during the startup HAL complained about missing kernel features, anything special i have to compile into the kernel to make HAL work? any patch?
[08:40] <ctw> well I'm running debian on another machine, so I guess I would prefer ubunu (haven't tried ubuntu yet)
[08:40] <noirequus> debian rocks
[08:40] <ctw> I just switched recently from suse, and I really like it to..
[08:41] <noirequus> i like the way i can have apt-get install from source, rather than install precompiled binaries
[08:42] <ctw> I've mostly used apt-get for binaries so far, but their package manager rocks
[08:42] <noirequus> apt-get by default installs binaries, but it can be told to compile from source
[08:42] <ctw> it sounds like we'll be installing ubuntu on ibooks around the same time ... care to exchange e-mails to help each other out in case somthing goes wrong?
[08:42] <noirequus> what can i say, i've been spoiled by fink
[08:43] <noirequus> fink on osx rocks
[08:44] <HcE> njs12345: is the paste-page a bit buggy? I get excactly the same code on your paste and mine
[08:44] <njs12345> really? exactly?
[08:44] <HcE> yes
[08:44] <HcE> 27 and 28 are alike
[08:46] <HcE> maybe I screwed some way =/
[08:49] <kent> '7j #ubuntu.se
[08:51] <Tyche> Apache conf file for apache2 can someone remind me where that is?
[08:52] <titanfox> in ubuntu, what file contains the information what modules Ubuntu should load during startup ?
[08:52] <Tyche> Is it the conf.d that has taken its place?
[08:52] <kent> titanfox, /etc/modules  ?
[08:53] <HcE> njs12345: thanks for your help, I have to go now! I know it's doable at least :)
[08:53] <njs12345> ok, fine, well, I tried ;)
[08:53] <titanfox> kent: in the folder /etc/modules ?
[08:53] <titanfox> kent : I want to change the SCSI module that ubuntu loads
[08:54] <titanfox> kent : the one that he loads now (79xx) does not work, sicne I have another adapter (29160N from adaptec)
[08:55] <kent> titanfox /etc/modules is not a folder, its a file.  I use that to edit which modules gets loaded.
[08:56] <titanfox> kent : then how must I edit that file so that it loads the right SCSI module ?
[08:58] <kent> titanfox, well, do you know what module you want to load instead of 79xx? put that one in there then. There might be a better way though. Debian had some program that configures loading of modules, but i dont know what its called and if its installed on ubuntu.
[08:58] <titanfox> kent : I dont think that is the right file
[08:58] <titanfox> kent : that file is only 288 bytes
[08:58] <Kyaneos> hi
[08:59] <titanfox> kent : when I boot, I get a modprobe error that the module doesnt exist or something, but /etc/conf does not contain any info about SCSI
[08:59] <jcoventry> hello
[08:59] <jcoventry> is anyone able to test a small puzzle game i programmed for x86 linux
[09:00] <njs12345> jcoventry: OK
[09:00] <farruinn> titanfox: cat /etc/modules and you'll see that it's a *list* of the modules to be loaded
[09:00] <jcoventry>  http://www.twilightice.net/~joshuacoventry/linux/
[09:00] <jcoventry> the puzzle game download link is at that page...
[09:02] <s0cks_work> Back
[09:03] <lil_anthony> can someone please tell me the command to type to check and repair a file system on ubuntu?
[09:03] <noirequus> fsck?
[09:03] <lil_anthony> i'm trying fsck -a -C /dev/hda but it says bad magic block
[09:03] <noirequus> how bout "man fsck"
[09:04] <lil_anthony> how abut it?
[09:04] <lil_anthony> i read it :)
[09:04] <jcoventry> njs12345: did you get there?
[09:04] <noirequus> thats as far as my noodle stretches
[09:04] <noirequus> sorry
[09:04] <farruinn> lil_anthony: to use fsck I believe the filesystem needs to be mounted as read only
[09:05] <lil_anthony> ok it says its not cleanly mounted
[09:05] <lil_anthony> whatever that means
[09:05] <socomm> Or bettter yet, not mounted at all.
[09:05] <njs12345> oh crap, sorry
[09:05] <njs12345> just let me dl and run it now
[09:05] <lil_anthony> so do you have to boot into a special mode
[09:05] <lil_anthony> or what?
[09:05] <farruinn> lil_anthony: you need to fsck / ?
[09:05] <socomm> Yes single user mode.
[09:06] <jcoventry> ok no problem, njs12345
[09:06] <farruinn> that's done on boot if it needs to be done, right?
[09:06] <socomm> Or 'Safe Mode' as Ubuntu calls it.
[09:06] <lil_anthony> i dont know
[09:06] <jcoventry> isn't there also a safe mode on windows?
[09:06] <farruinn> socomm: is that single user mode?
[09:06] <lil_anthony> so how you get into safe mode on ubuntu?
[09:07] <socomm> Yes that's the actual name for it.
[09:07] <socomm> Why Ubuntu calls it `safe mode' I'll never know.
[09:07] <njs12345> it's OK I guess
[09:07] <farruinn> lil_anthony: sudo `shutdown -F now' I believe
[09:07] <njs12345> but you need to be able to resize it
[09:07] <lil_anthony> that forces the shutdown
[09:07] <jcoventry> does it work, njs12345
[09:08] <socomm> Anyway anyone how I can get my mouse cursor back to that fancy industrial theme?
[09:08] <njs12345> works, yes
[09:08] <jcoventry> can you send a screenshot of it to wackymacs@spymac.com please?
[09:08] <socomm> Try `shutdown -Fr now'
[09:10] <njs12345> jcoventry: http://217.155.201.142/~njs/puzzle.png
[09:10] <farruinn> whenever I use `shutdown -F now' it goes into single user mode... then ctrl-d reboots...
[09:11] <socomm> All right use `shutdown -F now', that's probably what you want.
[09:13] <yorkomo> pardon me gents, but where does firefox get installed to?
[09:14] <socomm> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[09:17] <scizzo> I wonder if I should try to use hoary
[09:18] <fulvioo> I havent see a problem on hoary yet
[09:18] <jcoventry> thanks, njs12345
[09:18] <fulvioo> im only using for 3 days though
[09:19] <marsjays> is there _anyone_ who knows how to make the firmware for my 3com wifi adapter load correctly?
[09:19] <aekold> hi
[09:20] <socomm> Apparently the MPAA is cracking down on BitTorrent Tracker websites.
[09:22] <Ribs> again?>
[09:23] <ions|ubuntu> how do I add vfat support so I can mount a floppy?
[09:23] <socomm> vfat should be in the stock kernel.
[09:23] <Ribs> ions|ubuntu: should be there already
[09:24] <socomm> mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[09:24] <ions|ubuntu> cat /proc/filesystems did not list it
[09:24] <socomm> vfat or fat
[09:25] <socomm> I've compiled my own kernel, so you're on your own.
[09:25] <ions|ubuntu> hmm anyway to do this w/o having to go in as root?
[09:25] <aekold> anoyone have xmms segment fault when upgrade to hoary?
[09:26] <ions|ubuntu> this is not my machine, it's a friend's and they're not going to like anything as complicated as using root to use a floppy
[09:26] <socomm> aekold: Not here.
[09:27] <aekold> then, where?
[09:27] <socomm> I meant it doesn't segfault on my machine.
[09:27] <aekold> i cant fix it
[09:28] <aekold> i try to delete all configuration and reinstall but nothing
[09:28] <socomm> When did you upgrade?
[09:28] <aekold> today
[09:29] <socomm> I upgraded like two days ago. This is probably just a temporary bug, upgrade later on to see if the bug goes away.
[09:29] <aekold> rhythbox says that "there is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file"
[09:29] <aekold> but with totem i can ear mp3s
[09:32] <socomm> aekold: Join Ubuntu's mailing list and report the probems.
[09:32] <daniels> aekold: sudo apt-get install gstreamer-mad gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:34] <marsjays> please, somebody kick me in the groin.. i've been complaining about my wifi adapter not working for like a week, and now it turns out it was working, i just didn't activate it
[09:35] <freddy__> hi
[09:36] <aekold> daniels, thx rhythbox is running well
[09:36] <daniels> aekold: no worries
[09:36] <aekold> socomm, not so much to say about the problem
[09:36] <freddy__> I just wanted to ask what u guys use for timetracking of your different jobs. I used to use gnotime, but cannot install it on ubuntu. Can u refer me to anything like that ?
[09:36] <aekold> aekold@ubuntu:~ $ xmms
[09:36] <aekold> Violacin de segmento
[09:36] <aekold> aekold@ubuntu:~ $
[09:37] <aekold> violacion de segmento aka segment fault
[09:37] <aekold> heh
[09:37] <RubenV> checking for xmlcatalog... not found
[09:37] <RubenV> configure: error:
[09:37] <RubenV> *** Ooops, couldn't find xmlcatalog.  Actually this should
[09:37] <RubenV> *** never happen at this point, which means your system is really broken.
[09:37] <RubenV> anyone knows this?
[09:37] <socomm> Install the dev package for that library.
[09:37] <iz> <freddy__gnotime - utility for tracking and invoicing time spent on projects
[09:37] <farruinn> freddy__: it's in universe
[09:38] <freddy__> farruinn: but I cannot get it instlled due to dependencies
[09:38] <RubenV> socomm: well, I have most libxml dev pkgs
[09:38] <farruinn> freddy__: this is in hoary then?
[09:39] <freddy__> farruinn: it says: libgtkhtml3.1-11 (>= 3.1.19)
[09:39] <freddy__> farruinn: and will not install that due to evolution and others
[09:40] <socomm> RubenV: Try libxml2-utils xml-core.
[09:40] <ironwolf> daniels? is evo off of CRACK yes?
[09:40] <ironwolf> *yet?
[09:41] <socomm> libxml-catalog-perl
[09:41] <daniels> ironwolf: not really, keeps crashing for me
[09:41] <socomm> Evo works for me.
[09:41] <ironwolf> daniels: any eta?  It's a xorg thing so its you right? ;)
[09:42] <ironwolf> socomm: are your running latest hoary?
[09:42] <socomm> dist-upgraded sunday.
[09:42] <Walcky2> hi all
[09:42] <ironwolf> socomm: to warty latest or hoary latest?
[09:42] <socomm> hoary
[09:43] <ironwolf> socomm: well it seems borked in current hoary. not sure why.
[09:44] <Walcky2> does anybody try to install mono (or monodevelop) whith de latest hoary packages ?
[09:45] <daniels> ironwolf: er, evolution?  that's the gnome team's fault ;)
[09:45] <cenerentola> hi there
[09:46] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, afaik all of the mono dependencies haven't been updated to 1.04
[09:46] <cenerentola> can someone help me with the utf-8 thing...
[09:46] <cenerentola> this kind of things can be changed after installation?
[09:46] <cenerentola> s/lation//
[09:47] <JStrike> So. My NVidia kernel module doesn't seem to work with the latest update from hoary. Is this a known issue?
[09:48] <lifeless> ya4
[09:48] <Walcky2> zerokarmaleft: ok so I cannot install anything on my new hoary system...:(
[09:48] <socomm> Reinstall the kernel module.
[09:48] <cenerentola> jstrike: ask daniels
[09:48] <JStrike> daniels : ?
[09:49] <socomm> Hoary uses Xorg, so you'll need to reinstall the  drivers for it.
[09:49] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, you can build mono from the source tarballs on hoary
[09:50] <daniels> JStrike: yeah
[09:50] <JStrike> socomm : I know. I have been using Hoary for a while now with XOrg. This issue just seems to be with the latest XOrg or kernel from hoary
[09:50] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, a bit more apt-get elbow grease involved but i have mono 1.05 up and running
[09:50] <Walcky2> zerokarmaleft: arghh ..... I think it will be a hard work
[09:50] <JStrike> daniels : My NVidia kernel module doesn't seem to work with the latest update from hoary. Apparently you know something about this
[09:52] <JStrike> Should I roll back the XOrg package or kernel or do something else?
[09:52] <Walcky2> zerokarmaleft: I don't understand you're last sentence...can U explain it a little bit please ?
[09:52] <JabberWonkie> Has anyone had issues with Ubuntu accessing Hitachi harddrives on their laptops
[09:52] <RubenV> JabberWonkie: i think i have a hitachi and it works nicely
[09:53] <JabberWonkie> Hmm..I got one on my Inspiron 8200 and accessing the hard drive is gawd awful slow.
[09:53] <JabberWonkie> maybe it's the controller
[09:54] <RubenV> i have an inspiron 8600 and it doesn't give any problem
[09:55] <daniels> JStrike: i don't know whether nvidia-glx, linux-restricted-modules-*, or what is at fault; if you could try rolling back your nvidia-glx first and then your linux-restricted-modules package, that would be awesome
[09:55] <daniels> right now, i just have no clue where it breaks
[09:55] <JabberWonkie> RubenV: did you have to look for any drivers after install?
[09:55] <titanfox> I installed the Nvidia Graphics driver, but it says that it is installed correctly, but that my kernel is configured to use rivafsb and that the nvidia module will not load untill I remove the riva module. But where do I edit this >
[09:56] <RubenV> JabberWonkie: no
[09:56] <RubenV> atleast not for anything hard disk related
[09:57] <ironwolf> daniels: aren't you the gnome/xorg team? ;)
[09:57] <daniels> ironwolf: seb is the one-man gnome team, i am the x team
[09:57] <JabberWonkie> What modle hitachi do you have?
[09:58] <tvon> Does anyone know of a fix to the 2.6.9/nvidia-glx issues?
[09:59] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, to build mono from source tarballs, you have to apt-get the library dependencies (packages ending in -dev)
[09:59] <tvon> you also need mcs installed
[09:59] <tvon> to build mcs
[09:59] <tvon> fyi
[10:00] <JabberWonkie> Maybe I f&#$ed the install.  I guess I could try again.
[10:03] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, most of the library dependencies aren't really mentioned at mono-project.com, but if you check the output after running the configure scripts, you'll see which libraries are missing and then grab them with apt-get
[10:03] <illek> Hi all.  Can anyone enlighten me as to how to see the other partitions on my HD.  I edited fstab and mtab but still see only the Ubuntu partition
[10:04] <Ribs> illek: They need to be mounted :)
[10:04] <illek> from a terminal?
[10:05] <farruinn> illek, or go to the computer place in nautilus
[10:05] <farruinn> "disks" in the Computer menu on warty
[10:06] <Walcky2> zerokarmaleft: it was to be a hard work, wasn't it ?
[10:06] <illek> thats my problem, they don't show up in "Disks"
[10:06] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, i finished in an hour or so
[10:09] <Walcky2> zerokarmaleft: you download the mono's tarballs (mono-jit, mono-assembly, mono-mcs, ....) and apt-get the corresponding dependencies (libglib-dev, libc6-dev, ...) before you build them that's right ?
[10:09] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, right
[10:11] <noirequus> y'all be good
[10:11] <funky_> hi
[10:11] <Walcky2> zerokarmaleft: so let's go, I test that immediately....and thanks for your help
[10:11] <zerokarmaleft> np
[10:13] <tranceConscious> is there a way to configure my network proxy during the installation of ubuntu?
[10:14] <mart> tranceConscious: without Alt-F2'ing and setting it in /etc/apt.conf
[10:15] <mart> tranceConscious: I'd love to know if there is
[10:16] <tranceConscious> let me try it...
[10:16] <mart> sorry, /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:17] <funky_> whats the name of the console package manager like synaptic ?
[10:17] <mart> Acquire::http::Proxy "http://wwwcache:8080/";
[10:17] <mart> funky_: aptitude?
[10:17] <funky_> yeah
[10:17] <farruinn> funky_: there's also dselect
[10:18] <mart> farruinn: you sadist :)
[10:18] <funky_> farruinn: i know, but i was trying to recall the other
[10:18] <farruinn> :D
[10:18] <funky_> thanks anyway :)
[10:19] <funky_> is there any way to find a broken package ?
[10:19] <funky_> without using synaptic ?
[10:19] <funky_> the synaptic filters dont works for me
[10:19] <funky_> or i dont use them
[10:20] <tranceConscious> is apt.conf or apt.conf.d cause i find an apt.conf.d in /etc/apt...?!?
[10:20] <mart> tranceConscious: doesn't exist by default
[10:20] <mart> /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:20] <farruinn> funky_: maybe apt-cache unmet
[10:21] <mart> does gnome have a gui for saying "cardctl eject"?
[10:21] <tranceConscious> can you copy paste or send me an apt.conf that has the unstable sources as default???
[10:22] <mart> tranceConscious: you want to put them in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:22] <mart> they're probably already in there, just uncomment the lines with "hoary"
[10:22] <tranceConscious> can someone you copy paste or send me an apt.conf and a sources.list that has the unstable sources as default???
[10:22] <mart> tranceConscious: one step at a time!
[10:22] <tranceConscious> there is no apt.conf. i only find apt.conf.d
[10:23] <mart> tranceConscious:  do you want to use a proxy?
[10:23] <mart> tranceConscious: if you do, you need to create and apt.conf
[10:24] <mart> tranceConscious: if you want unstable sources, then you need to modify /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:26] <scizzo> anyone else but me having problems using Rhythmbox in hoary?
[10:26] <scizzo> (rhythmbox:9582): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()
[10:26] <scizzo> etc
[10:29] <tranceConscious> ok, I need to use a proxy. can you send me an apt.conf to see how to configure the proxy....? and then can you send me a copy of sources.list to see how to configure mine too? [I'm not a total stranger with linux, don't worry] 
[10:29] <zerokarmaleft> scizzo, is that when you import a folder?
[10:29] <findeton> hello !
[10:29] <scizzo> zerokarmaleft: when I try to play
[10:30] <findeton> I'm having the next problem:
[10:30] <findeton> $ gcc main.cc  -o exectuable
[10:30] <findeton> gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory
[10:30] <neighborlee> is there a unpacker ( like say file roller) that will let you unpack to hidden dir
[10:30] <findeton> what's the solution?
[10:31] <farruinn> findeton: apt-get install g++ if you haven't already
[10:32] <zerokarmaleft> scizzo, well i'm still running warty but i'm running rhythmbox 0.8.8 with no problems
[10:33] <zerokarmaleft> scizzo, actually sometimes it locks up whenever it plays a new file but i've got the hunch that it's a gstreamer issue and not rhythmbox
[10:33] <findeton> farruinn: oh dear :)
[10:33] <findeton> farruinn: I  thought  I only needed gcc :P
[10:33] <farruinn> g++ is the c++ compiler
[10:34] <findeton> yeah, but... then why it fails if I use the gcc command ? I don't understand :)
[10:35] <farruinn> gcc is the c compiler
[10:35] <farruinn> gnu c compiler
[10:37] <findeton> well, okay, anyway it works now so thanks you !
[10:37] <findeton> now I must go, bye !
[10:40] <scizzo> zerokarmaleft: are you using UTF-8 with X?
[10:43] <tranceConscious> can someone tell me what should i put in my apt.conf to use a proxie??? [I cant find an apt.conf file in /etc/apt] 
[10:44] <farruinn> tranceConscious: you must create apt.conf in that directory (e.g. sudo vim /etc/apt/apt.conf)
[10:44] <farruinn> and if you man apt.conf then search for proxy it will show you how to use a proxy
[10:45] <farruinn> http::proxy http://[[user] [:pass] @] host[:port] /
[10:45] <tranceConscious> you mean I should create an empty apt.conf? does man work on the first boot after the 1st installation phaze?
[10:46] <farruinn> man should work
[10:46] <farruinn> you could also sudo gedit /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:46] <farruinn> or sudo echo 'http::proxy http://[etc] ' > /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:48] <tranceConscious> sudo echo 'http::proxy http://[etc] ' > /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:49] <tranceConscious> I was used in using unstable sources in debian. what do i have to comment out now in ubuntu? universe???
[10:49] <farruinn> replace [etc]  with whatever is applicalbe
[10:51] <tranceConscious> what is the root password and how do i change it?
[10:51] <farruinn> ubhuti rootsudo
[10:51] <ubhuti> By default the root password is disabled in Ubuntu.  Instead use sudo (and your user password).  If you haven't already, please read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:51] <jbroome> Nice :)
[10:53] <scizzo> this is lovely
[10:54] <scizzo> I choose to use UTF-8 in locales but when I want to use it in gdm it tells me that sv_SE.UTF-8 does not exists
[10:54] <scizzo> :)
[10:56] <Kamion> scizzo: is it in /etc/locale.gen? Did you run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'?
[10:56] <scizzo> Kamion: read what I said once again please
[10:57] <scizzo> "I choose to use UTF-8 in locales...."
[10:57] <scizzo> so yes...I used dpkg-reconfigure locales
[10:57] <scizzo> and yes...it is in /etc/locale.gen
[10:58] <scizzo> the problem I am going to get is that if I do not use UTF-8 then some programs will become weird....GTK2 is using UTF-8 for the strings and so I need UTF-8 to make everything work
[10:58] <Kamion> scizzo: sorry, wasn't entirely clear to me from what you said, a lot of people get that bit wrong
[10:58] <Kamion> scizzo: does 'perl -de1' spit out any errors?
[10:59] <Kamion> or actually make that 'LC_ALL=sv_SE.UTF-8 perl -de1' just to make sure
[10:59] <Kamion> and drop the 'd' from the perl options, because I suck
[10:59] <scizzo> no
[10:59] <Kamion> so it must be an X.org-specific thing
[10:59] <Kamion> blame daniels :-)
[10:59] <pusling> where to get .deb-packages for mplayer ? The debian marillat mirror won't work
[11:00] <pusling> if I choose sarge
[11:00] <scizzo> Kamion: LC_ALL=sv_SE.UTF-8 perl el gives me nothing
[11:00] <Kamion> -e1 (one), not l (ell)
[11:01] <Kamion> but anyway, yeah
[11:01] <scizzo> sorry yes I ment that
[11:01] <Kamion> scizzo: might want to file a bug with your version of, um, libx11-6 I think
[11:01] <scizzo> missed the -
[11:01] <fuzzix> Holy...!
[11:02] <fuzzix> hello :)
[11:02] <scizzo> Kamion: let me check something first
[11:02] <burnis> Hello :P
[11:02] <Kamion> scizzo: there've been some similar problems since X.org was introduced; daniels fixed some of them but I think some may still remain
[11:03] <fuzzix> Anyone got the patience for (hopefully) a quick on regarding oss emulation for an ensoniq? Modules loaded, aliases added but no dice.
[11:04] <fuzzix> *on warty
[11:05] <scizzo> Kamion: that is what I am looking at right now
[11:05] <scizzo> brb
[11:06] <candyman> waste is not on universe
[11:06] <candyman> it is gpl, why is it so?
[11:07] <Kamion> candyman: it's not in Debian, so we didn't get it automatically. anything else in universe is only there because people cared sufficiently
[11:07] <tuppa> woohoo!
[11:07] <tuppa> dist-upgrade on hoary just broke my desktop totally!
[11:08] <candyman> Kamion, thanks
[11:08] <scizzo> Kamion: so it seems that I know where that error comes from...but now...I get another error...the UTF-8 error is gone
[11:08] <candyman> so I should compile it myself?
[11:10] <riley> when i ran a configure script, right after checking for gcc it checked for something called cc, which it said it could not find in $PATH... i searched for cc on synaptic, but could only find things like cccc and cccd... what should i install from synaptic to solve this problem?
[11:10] <tuppa> anyway
[11:10] <tuppa> nothing a reboot can't fix ;)
[11:10] <Kamion> candyman: guess so
[11:11] <farruinn> riley gcc g++
[11:11] <Kamion> riley: cc = C compiler; it's the name you'd find it on in ancient Unixes
[11:11] <Kamion> riley: have you installed gcc?
[11:11] <candyman> well, they say p2p is a bad thing
[11:12] <candyman> and it is going to get me to learn how to compile and install stuff myself.
[11:12] <candyman> thanks, Kamion ;)
[11:12] <riley> Kamion: yeah i thought i had gcc installed... i'm not sure if i do on this system though
[11:13] <riley> Kamion: looks like i didn't... must be on my other ubuntu system
[11:14] <SirFunk> is there a chan for ubuntu ppc?
[11:15] <Kamion> this one
[11:15] <scizzo> well...totem kan play files.. :)
[11:15] <SirFunk> heh
[11:15] <SirFunk> i think ubuntu is neglecting to turn on the fans in my powerbook.. it gets REALLY HOT
[11:16] <Kamion> varies rather a lot by model, that does
[11:16] <Kamion> I'm not sure all of them are supported by the kernel
[11:16] <SirFunk> that would suck if linux melted my laptop :-D
[11:16] <Kamion> note that the AlBook basically uses its case as a heatsink; this is normal
[11:16] <chapter3> i just plopped in the livecd, and it didn't pickup my linksys wireless card, any ideas?
[11:17] <rtousey> chapter3, which one do you have?
[11:17] <SirFunk> Kamion: my fans are on like non-stop with OSX
[11:17] <rtousey> I was just going to ask about that
[11:17] <SirFunk> and i'm not even sure if they come on at all with linux
[11:17] <Kamion> SirFunk: feel free to file a bug if it's running radically hotter than Mac OS or whatever, though. Make sure to include a tarball of /proc/device-tree
[11:17] <chapter3> the 802.11b one, pcmcia
[11:17] <Kamion> there are some tunable parameters for the fans in /proc
[11:17] <SirFunk> Kaloz: hmmm... ok
[11:17] <SirFunk> oopse
[11:17] <fuzzix> dmesg: unable to register OSS PCM device 0:0
[11:17] <fuzzix> unable to register OSS mixer device 0:0
[11:17] <SirFunk> Kamion: i mean.. i'll cehck that out
[11:18] <riley> Kamion: thanks, that did it
[11:18] <scizzo> fuzzix: do you have a webcam?
[11:18] <rtousey> chapter3, take a look at linuxquestions.org/hcl
[11:18] <fuzzix> scizzo: Just occured to me too!
[11:18] <chapter3> k
[11:18] <Kamion> SirFunk: what kind of powerbook?
[11:19] <SirFunk> 1st gen 12" g4
[11:19] <rtousey> now, does ubuntu include madwifi drivers? for my linksys card?
[11:19] <rtousey> maybe in universe?
[11:19] <fuzzix> scizzo: You reckon unplugging it will help?
[11:19] <fuzzix> Never really use it
[11:19] <Kamion> rtousey: yes, though not in the installer yet
[11:19] <Kamion> we'll have them in the installer for hoary though, it should be done tomorrow or so
[11:19] <scizzo> fuzzix: it helped for me
[11:20] <Kamion> SirFunk: refer to http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/12/msg00067.html
[11:20] <rtousey> Kamion, but it is in universe?
[11:20] <scizzo> fuzzix: because the USB sound overwrites everything
[11:20] <Kamion> rtousey: no, it's in restricted, and should be installed by default
[11:20] <rtousey> Kamion, oh
[11:20] <scizzo> fuzzix: try to unplug it and restart or something
[11:20] <fuzzix> scizzo: I'll give it a shot - thanks
[11:20] <Kamion> rtousey: the live CD is ... a bit different in warty
[11:20] <scizzo> fuzzix: it might help if you just inplug it
[11:21] <fuzzix> I'll try a reboot - need to get it warking on boot anyway
[11:21] <fuzzix> *working
[11:21] <SirFunk> Kamion: hmm... /sys/devices/temperatures does not exist
[11:22] <Kamion> SirFunk: are any therm* drivers actually loaded?
[11:22] <scizzo> fuzzix: it would work...you just need to find that one little module to rmmod.. :P
[11:22] <SirFunk> Kamion: one sec
[11:22] <rtousey> Kamion, excellent, thanks
[11:22] <rtousey> Kamion, what do you mean, about the live cd?
[11:22] <chapter3> anybody fixed the xmms/horay issue yet btw?
[11:22] <SirFunk> Kamion: nope, none loaded
[11:23] <Kamion> rtousey: the warty live CD isn't necessarily a good metric of what an installed system supports, unfortunately; we're working on fixing that for hoary
[11:23] <rtousey> Kamion, i installed from the install cd
[11:23] <SirFunk> Kamion: when i try to load them it says "no such device"
[11:23] <Kamion> rtousey: oh, sorry, I confused you with chapter3
[11:23] <Kamion> SirFunk: did you try all of them?
[11:23] <rtousey> Kamion, so, the drivers should already be there...i can just put in the card and go!
[11:24] <rtousey> Kamion, a common mistake
[11:24] <Kamion> rtousey: in theory :-)
[11:24] <SirFunk> Kamion: yeah there's only 2
[11:24] <rtousey> Cool, you guys have another convert
[11:24] <chapter3> btw, is there a horay livecd yet?
[11:24] <Kamion> SirFunk: therm_adt746x and therm_windtunnel, right?
[11:25] <Kamion> SirFunk: sounds like your board isn't supported by the version of the kernel you're running ...
[11:25] <Kamion> at least the fans on it
[11:25] <SirFunk> Kamion: that blows
[11:25] <SirFunk> i wonder if any kernel supports it
[11:25] <Kamion> it's possible 2.6.9 fixes it. please send tarball of /proc/device-tree and it'll be possible to tell
[11:26] <SirFunk> Kamion: i'm using 2.6.9
[11:26] <Kamion> d'oh :)
[11:26] <SirFunk> yeah
[11:26] <Kamion> SirFunk: then definitely file a bug
[11:27] <SirFunk> ok, where do i do that.. i'm pretty new to ubuntu
[11:27] <Kamion> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:28] <zerokarmaleft> are the stock ubuntu kernels configured for QoS networking?
[11:28] <mAIJK> Hi, I have installed KDE @ ubuntu. But when i try to use synaptic or something like that it says that my root password is wrong. I have tried gksudo and so on. It works with fluxbox and gnome
[11:28] <hawk16> sup
[11:29] <hawk16> yo how i use the livecd to install ubuntu
[11:29] <Hikaru79> You don;t
[11:29] <Hikaru79> *don
[11:29] <Hikaru79> *don't
[11:29] <Kamion> zerokarmaleft: CONFIG_NET_QOS is enabled; some of the classifiers are modules you'd have to load
[11:29] <Hikaru79> I can't spell -_-;;
[11:29] <fuzzix> Good stuff :)
[11:29] <hawk16> heh
[11:29] <Hikaru79> hawk16, use the Install CD
[11:29] <hawk16> thing is
[11:29] <Hikaru79> Free download just like the LiveCD
[11:29] <hawk16> my windows cd broke in half
[11:29] <hawk16> so i really have nothing
[11:29] <Hikaru79> o_o
[11:29] <hawk16> to download it with
[11:29] <Kamion> unfortunately the installation stuff wouldn't fit on the live CD
[11:29] <Riddell> mAIJK: KDE doesn't work with sudo yet, you will need to set a root password with `sudo passwd` on the command line
[11:30] <Hikaru79> Well, what are you connecting to IRC from?
[11:30] <Kamion> can't you download it using the live CD itself? you can mount a hard disk to put the image on ...
[11:30] <hawk16> LiveCD
[11:30] <hawk16> im on LiveCD
[11:30] <Hikaru79> Why not download through LiveCD? I think it has CD-burning software
[11:30] <Hikaru79> Installed.
[11:30] <hawk16> what will it save to?
[11:31] <lamont_r> you pretty much need a second cdrom before you can run on livecd and burn another
[11:31] <mAIJK> ridell What do u mean? (newbie)
[11:31] <hawk16> i have 2
[11:31] <hawk16> cd roms
[11:31] <hawk16> both are burners
[11:32] <lamont_r> then you should have no problems burning.
[11:32] <hawk16> but i mean
[11:32] <hawk16> dosent it have to save to something?
[11:32] <lamont_r> apt-get from http sources is b0rked on the livecd though (known)
[11:32] <farruinn> hawk16: mount your harddrive
[11:32] <hawk16> ok
[11:32] <hawk16> use page file?
[11:33] <hawk16> btw does ubuntu have that gay password screen with half-naked ugly people?
[11:33] <Kamion> that's not the default.
[11:34] <chapter3> btw, is there a horay livecd yet?
[11:34] <hawk16> ok good
[11:34] <GotD0t> chapter3: nope, not till april ;-)
[11:34] <Kamion> it's certainly on its way, I'm not sure if there's been an official test release yet
[11:34] <hawk16> i dont want half-naked ugly people on my password screen
[11:34] <Kamion> there'll be a test release long before April
[11:34] <chapter3> darn, i would like to run the livecd and have it work with my linksys wireless card :\
[11:34] <GotD0t> that would be silly Kamion
[11:35] <jbroome> I prefer full-naked
[11:35] <Kamion> interesting, a fair number of the complaints were about the people being excessively good-looking (=> not ordinary people)
[11:35] <hawk16> yea but there ugly
[11:35] <Kamion> GotD0t: which people?
[11:35] <hawk16> and theres a guy
[11:35] <hawk16> so its worse
[11:35] <Kamion> anyway the login screen argument is SO three months ago
[11:35] <Kamion> GotD0t: er, I meant "which would be silly?"
[11:36] <fuzzix> Someone say naked?
[11:36] <chapter3> so has anybody sucessfully gotten the livecd to work with a linksys wireless card?
[11:36] <hawk16> lol
[11:36] <hawk16> yo
[11:36] <hawk16> can i get a windows game to work with linux
[11:36] <hawk16> is that possible?
[11:36] <jbroome> whcih game?
[11:36] <hawk16> world of warcraft
[11:36] <GotD0t> Kamion: a live cd of an unstable distribution
[11:37] <Kamion> GotD0t: it will happen; these things have to be tested, especially since the live CD is being rearchitected for hoary
[11:37] <Kamion> you can't just say "ta-daaah!" at the final release date and expect it all to work with no user testing
[11:37] <GotD0t> Kamion: oh? how so?
[11:37] <Kamion> hardware detection being brought into line with the installer by dint of both using the same code
[11:37] <GotD0t> Kamion: gotcha
[11:37] <Kamion> there's stuff on the wiki about it I think, since it's been discussed at the conference
[11:38] <Kamion> basically we take the first half of the installer and use it to bring up a live CD environment
[11:38] <GotD0t> Kamion: that sounds good
[11:38] <chapter3> so has anybody sucessfully gotten the livecd to work with a linksys wireless card?
[11:38] <hawk16> is it possible to run World of Warcraft on ubuntu
[11:39] <GotD0t> hawk16: only one way to find out ;-)
[11:39] <Readis> Howdy all...
[11:45] <hawk16> i got liquid cooling :)
[11:47] <jose_luis1mx> join#torreon
[11:48] <jose_luis1mx> join #torreon
[11:48] <hawk16> its fun having liquid cooling
[11:49] <hawk16> my cpu is at 3.86ghz and is running at 28c
[11:49] <tranceConscious> I do a sudo passwd root and create a password. I then do su - and when it asks for the password i enter the password i just created and works fine. But when in the graphical login I try root and same password as before, it returns to asking for the username. what is going on. can someone help???
[11:50] <hawk16> hmm
[11:50] <farruinn> tranceConscious: are you trying to login to gnome as root?
[11:51] <hawk16> i don't know much about graphical user interface linux
[11:51] <farruinn> from gdm
[11:51] <hawk16> im a server guy