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| GotD0t | nobody is to TOUCH the hoary menus, hehe, they work fine now... no more tweaking please ;-) | 12:17 |
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| thom | they so don't work | 12:17 |
| GotD0t | ? | 12:17 |
| GotD0t | what do you mean they don't work? | 12:17 |
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| thom | GotD0t: segfaults, bits of the panel going missing, etc etc | 12:18 |
| GotD0t | thom: i havent experienced any of that as of late | 12:18 |
| GotD0t | thom: so maybe they just dont like you ;-) | 12:18 |
| thom | no, they're all known bugs | 12:19 |
| GotD0t | well they can fix that without messing with the configuration of the actual menus | 12:19 |
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| GotD0t | because over the last week there have been hundreds of configurations and most of them were unusable | 12:20 |
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| jdub | dear whiprush, please send your great suggestions to the devel list instead of prattling on about them in your blog where i only find them because by coincidence i read planet ars, love jdub. | 01:09 |
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| whiprush | jdub: heh, ok. I'm still getting used to it, I'll do it when I get home. | 01:39 |
| jdub | ;-) | 01:40 |
| jdub | whiprush: dude, remember that there is a whole distro you can fix here | 01:40 |
| whiprush | heh, k. | 01:40 |
| whiprush | Heading home from work, I'll formulate something in an hour or two, today was my first full day with them. | 01:41 |
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| jdub | "oh yeah, we can actually FIX THAT!" | 01:41 |
| whiprush | bbl | 01:41 |
| jdub | later | 01:41 |
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| GotD0t | anybody have any ideas on killing nautilus for good, i don't want it to come back | 04:38 |
| chrisa | rm /usr/bin/nautilus | 04:46 |
| GotD0t | no, i mean i want to be able to use it | 04:51 |
| GotD0t | but whenever i killall nautilus it comes back | 04:51 |
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| Riddell | GotD0t: alt-F4 | 05:02 |
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| Treenaks | good morning mataro :) | 09:04 |
| fabbione | hey Treenaks | 09:06 |
| ogra | good morining amsterdam :) | 09:08 |
| ogra | (...and mataro of course) | 09:08 |
| pitti | Hi ogra | 09:09 |
| pitti | Hi Treenaks, how's it going | 09:09 |
| fabbione | hye ogra | 09:09 |
| Treenaks | pitti: I feel it's going to be a slow day today | 09:10 |
| Treenaks | and I really need someone to poke jdub -- it's been a week since I asked him to create ubuntu-nl and it's still not done :) | 09:11 |
| === jdub is thusly poked | ||
| jdub | Treenaks: preferred email address? | 09:12 |
| Treenaks | jdub: ubuntu-nl@lists.ubuntu.com? | 09:13 |
| Treenaks | jdub: or list admin? | 09:13 |
| Treenaks | jdub: martijn@foodfight.org | 09:13 |
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| jdub | admin | 09:14 |
| Treenaks | second one then :) | 09:14 |
| jdub | Nederlandstalige Ubuntu-ondersteuning en -discussie | 09:14 |
| jdub | should there be a space/hyphen there? | 09:15 |
| Treenaks | jdub: uh, remove the - before discussie | 09:15 |
| sladen | mjg59: you around for discussing how to do system-dtection stuff? (Hardware DB/dmi-decode things) | 09:21 |
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| Treenaks | uh? nice quit msg | 09:25 |
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| === sid77 hi | ||
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| pitti | haggai: Hi! | 09:33 |
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| sid77 | I'm running hoary on a geforce powerbook, yesterday I dist-upgraded and I found my screen on 640x480 resolution. I solved the problem just adding 2 lines (vert and horiz frequencies) to xorg.conf, should this kind of info be added to rhe default xorg.conf or will this broke things up on other machine? | 09:35 |
| fabbione | sid77: it's a bug. please check the bugzilla and lart daniels ;) | 09:37 |
| sid77 | ok :) | 09:37 |
| daniels | sid77: it's fixed in my local tree in hoary | 09:39 |
| daniels | er | 09:39 |
| daniels | in my local tree, *for* hoary | 09:39 |
| daniels | the nv driver sucks, news at 11 | 09:39 |
| lamont_r | daniels: s/news/film/ | 09:40 |
| Treenaks | lamont_r: no, that's only on pay-tv ;) | 09:40 |
| Kamion | *groan* | 09:43 |
| sid77 | lol | 09:44 |
| sid77 | so I shouldn't file a bug, am I right? | 09:44 |
| daniels | sid77: right | 09:49 |
| Treenaks | daniels: I have the same problem (640x480 only, unless I add hsync/vrefresh) with the trident driver | 09:49 |
| Treenaks | daniels: (1024x768 laptop: Toshiba Satellite something) | 09:50 |
| daniels | cool | 09:51 |
| Treenaks | daniels: I can file that as a bug (+ X log + xorg.conf) if you want | 09:52 |
| daniels | nah, it's alright thanks, i'll just add that to the special case | 09:52 |
| Treenaks | trident DOES detect the panel as a 1024x768 panel.. | 09:53 |
| stvn | daniels: is it the same bug as mine? | 09:53 |
| daniels | stvn: i think so, yeah | 09:53 |
| stvn | hm, i thought i had hsync/vrefresh but will try later this week | 09:55 |
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| fabbione | morning guys | 10:20 |
| fabbione | +?????????+ Installing the Ubuntu base system +?????????+ | 10:34 |
| fabbione | ^^^ hoary on sparc | 10:35 |
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| Treenaks | fabbione: it works now? | 10:35 |
| Kamion | rock | 10:35 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: i am testing the real first install .. but theoretically yes | 10:36 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: leet | 10:36 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: yeah.. i expect a failure configuring X.org | 10:36 |
| fabbione | but that's not daniels fault | 10:37 |
| fabbione | not this time at least | 10:37 |
| fabbione | ;) | 10:37 |
| thom | ... yay dell hardware | 10:37 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: it's yours? | 10:37 |
| daniels | heh :) | 10:37 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: more or less... the box simply doesn't have a video card :P | 10:37 |
| daniels | you can't ddc probe a serial port | 10:37 |
| fabbione | so i can't expect X to autoconfigure properly | 10:38 |
| fabbione | daniels: exactly... | 10:38 |
| Treenaks | daniels: hey i2c is a serial protocol ;) | 10:38 |
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| fabbione | hmmm it failed somewhere installing base... | 10:40 |
| Kamion | fabbione: uh ... we haven't actually added sparc to debootstrap yet | 10:42 |
| === fabbione takes note that cat /var/log/partman on a 9600 serial console is NOT sane | ||
| Kamion | so that's not so surprising :) | 10:42 |
| fabbione | right | 10:42 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: ping | 10:42 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i think it's time to dual bitch elmo ;) | 10:42 |
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| Kamion | hey, I don't care, I can make debootstrap work regardless of whether it's in the archive or not | 10:43 |
| Kamion | somebody just needs to tell me that the archive is sufficiently stable | 10:43 |
| daniels | thom: hey dude, the amd64 doesn't happen to have an nvidia card in it, does it? | 10:43 |
| fabbione | Kamion: it is stable.. | 10:43 |
| daniels | thom: (mataro.u.c) | 10:43 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i am only keeping up with main right now | 10:43 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i have "only" 5 FTBFS and missing ooo | 10:44 |
| fabbione | Kamion: but that's more related to ubuntu-desktop task than anything else | 10:44 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ooo is missing because i forgot to remove it from the PAS | 10:44 |
| fabbione | but i will be build it shortly | 10:44 |
| thom | daniels: don't think so | 10:44 |
| daniels | thom: can you check? :) | 10:45 |
| thom | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) | 10:45 |
| daniels | ahr, shit | 10:45 |
| lamont_r | Kamion: it would be _WAY_COOL_ if debootstrap were enhanced to allow me to specify a sources.list :-) | 10:46 |
| fabbione | lamont_r: i fully agree.. the limitation to a single url is overkilling | 10:47 |
| fabbione | Kamion: please do in such a way that both ltrace and strace are removed from sparc | 10:48 |
| fabbione | Kamion: the latter is a temporary hack. the former doesn't exist for sparc | 10:48 |
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| Mithrandir | daniels: pong | 10:50 |
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| ross | jdub: ping? | 10:54 |
| Treenaks | welcome to #pingpong | 10:54 |
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| fabbione | hey elmo | 11:03 |
| fabbione | i did fix that Release file problem btw.. thanks anyway | 11:03 |
| elmo | k | 11:04 |
| === fabbione gives elmo a big morning hug | ||
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| jdub_ | ross: ping | 11:11 |
| jdub_ | pong | 11:11 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: | 11:14 |
| fabbione | Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/kernel-wedge/commands/gen-control line 36, <KVERS> line 2. | 11:14 |
| fabbione | Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/kernel-wedge/commands/gen-control line 161. | 11:14 |
| fabbione | did you notice a bunch of these errors building the kernel? | 11:14 |
| daniels | fabbione: afaict they're harmless; i hit them a lot too | 11:14 |
| fabbione | i usually hitted the first one | 11:15 |
| fabbione | the second one is the first time | 11:15 |
| fabbione | that's why i am asking | 11:15 |
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| Kamion | fabbione: yeah, they're harmless though | 11:29 |
| fabbione | Kamion: good.. | 11:31 |
| _rene_ | doko: there? | 11:32 |
| Kamion | it would help if I cronned update-germinate, wouldn't it? | 11:40 |
| Kamion | fabbione: the latter's fixed upstream | 11:41 |
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| elmo | ANACRON IS FREAKIN "SPECIAL" | 11:42 |
| daniels | nice | 11:43 |
| daniels | mataro.ubuntu.com is going down for a few minutes for amd64 l-r-m special love | 11:43 |
| fabbione | daniels: eh what? | 11:45 |
| daniels | nvidia joy | 11:45 |
| fabbione | daniels: and why do you need to use mataro.u.c ? | 11:45 |
| daniels | BECAUSE IT'S AN AMD64 | 11:45 |
| daniels | (this is thom) | 11:45 |
| Treenaks | Hot NVidia Love! | 11:46 |
| daniels | and no-one in the distro team is stupid enough to have an nvidia card in their amd64s | 11:46 |
| fabbione | no really.. i mean.. it's -> NVIDIA COMMERICIAL BINARY UBER CRAP <- | 11:46 |
| Treenaks | 11:46 | |
| jdub_ | distro team people upstairs please | 11:49 |
| fabbione | jdub_: what is going on? | 11:51 |
| pasc | elmo_away: ? | 11:53 |
| fabbione | jdub_: ??? | 11:53 |
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| daniels | mataro.u.c back up | 11:56 |
| fabbione | Kamion: can i kill devfs from the kernel? | 11:57 |
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| cenerentola | hi there, will ever ubuntu be ported on sparc? | 12:03 |
| thom | already done | 12:04 |
| Treenaks | 16:32 * fabbione attempts the first hoary installation on sparc | 12:04 |
| cenerentola | thx treenaks... | 12:05 |
| cenerentola | wow. | 12:05 |
| cenerentola | treenaks: 16:32, when | 12:05 |
| cenerentola | ? | 12:05 |
| Treenaks | cenerentola: 20 hours ago | 12:06 |
| cenerentola | here's my baby: http://www.naturetechws.com/Product-888P.htm | 12:07 |
| Treenaks | Yikes! | 12:08 |
| Treenaks | why did I read that as "Nature Worldwide Technology Crap." ? | 12:08 |
| ross | holy crap 3.45kg | 12:08 |
| Treenaks | (just like the Marriott hotel around the corner, which I first read as "Marillat") | 12:09 |
| cenerentola | and the Can Torrent around mataro'' centre | 12:09 |
| Treenaks | cenerentola: Can Torrent, yeah 8) | 12:10 |
| cenerentola | don't touch my baby please | 12:10 |
| thom | 3.45KG? HOLY FUCKING SHIT | 12:10 |
| daniels | OMGWTFONLY630FPS | 12:11 |
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| martink | Sparc "PowerBook"? | 12:12 |
| fabbione | cenerentola: good luck... with that toy... most of the hw won't probably be supported by the kernel anyway | 12:14 |
| cenerentola | ahhh... | 12:14 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i figured why ftp still depends on libreadline5 | 12:14 |
| fabbione | Kamion: both libreadline4 and 5-dev provides libreadline-dev | 12:15 |
| cenerentola | fabbione: never ever, or just never, or sometime in a remote future? | 12:15 |
| fabbione | and netkit-ftp build-dep libreadline-dev that at that point in time was libreadline5 for me | 12:15 |
| Kamion | fabbione: sparc done | 12:16 |
| fabbione | cenerentola: no idea.. just for a started pcmcia support isn't compiled on sparc | 12:16 |
| Kamion | fabbione: devfs err, hmm, moo | 12:16 |
| daniels | ross: it probably needs three-phase to charge, too | 12:16 |
| fabbione | Kamion: uh? | 12:16 |
| ross | haha | 12:16 |
| ross | daniels: to charge? there are batteries which can power that? | 12:16 |
| daniels | ross: THE SUN | 12:17 |
| thom | the disk is actually a fiber channel raid array you tow behind you on a cart | 12:17 |
| daniels | it probably has a 50m^2 solar panel which you need to attach | 12:17 |
| ross | rofl | 12:17 |
| Kamion | fabbione: since the installer doesn't use it, I guess so | 12:17 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ok.. i guess we can wait for that | 12:17 |
| Kamion | fabbione: netkit-ftp> yeah, that's the standard problem | 12:17 |
| Kamion | fabbione: wait for what? :) | 12:17 |
| fabbione | Kamion: to kill devfs | 12:17 |
| fabbione | there might be people using it | 12:17 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ok.. i am going to tight the build-dep to libreadline4-dev | 12:18 |
| Kamion | please | 12:18 |
| cenerentola | fabbione: as you have some free time, could you please explain better what will happen with the sparc port, | 12:23 |
| cenerentola | ? | 12:23 |
| fabbione | Kamion: netkit-ftp is up | 12:24 |
| fabbione | cenerentola: right now we have a almost installable sparc port, but it will take sometime (a bunch of weeks) before the packages will enter the archive for real | 12:24 |
| fabbione | in anycase the port is unofficial | 12:24 |
| fabbione | and not supported | 12:24 |
| bob2 | seb128: after resuming from suspend-to-disk, the battery monitor decides I have no battery | 12:25 |
| cenerentola | well, if we find someone to help you, will you accept them? | 12:25 |
| fabbione | also.. i am doing the port in my spare time.. so that means that it will get the loves i can give it to it | 12:25 |
| bob2 | seb128: tho /prc/acpi knows I have one | 12:26 |
| fabbione | cenerentola: the problem is to find one | 12:26 |
| fabbione | cenerentola: but clearly yes.. help is welcome, even if at this point in time is still limited to fix FTBFS | 12:26 |
| seb128 | bob2, bugzilla that please :) | 12:26 |
| cenerentola | ok. it's a deal ;). | 12:27 |
| cenerentola | fabbione: FTBS... oops | 12:27 |
| cenerentola | ciao a tutti | 12:29 |
| daniels | mataro.u.c is going down for a reboot (2.6.9), will be back shortly | 12:31 |
| fabbione | stop rebooting that nice toy :P | 12:32 |
| daniels | only needed to reboot it twice -- once for the new card, once for 2.6.9 | 12:33 |
| daniels | after that, it should be fine | 12:33 |
| fabbione | until the nv1d14cr4p will crash it | 12:34 |
| daniels | thom: ? | 12:37 |
| thom | daniels: gimme a second | 12:39 |
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| doko | _rene_: yes | 01:00 |
| sivang | hi all | 01:01 |
| mooch | food is waiting, for those of you who want to get some | 01:03 |
| sladen | "want" is an interesting point. The desire to eat, vs. the desire to die. | 01:08 |
| daniels | EIGHT HUNDRED EFF PEE ESS | 01:09 |
| fabbione | ahaha | 01:09 |
| thom | it's mutant tomato, unmulched and seeking revenge | 01:10 |
| sladen | wasn't it daniels who said ''glxgears is not a benchmarking tool'' yesterday | 01:10 |
| ross | thom: not evil mutant tomato! | 01:11 |
| mooch | 700 efe pe ese here | 01:13 |
| mooch | rocks | 01:13 |
| daniels | sladen: laden with sarcasm | 01:14 |
| daniels | sladen: (my current 'benchmarking', not my original 'it's not a benchmark' remarks, because it ISN'T) | 01:14 |
| ross | daniels: but it's got a FPS counter | 01:15 |
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| thom | fglrxgears is cooler | 01:15 |
| daniels | GRAH HEISENBUG | 01:15 |
| daniels | ross: you have no idea how tempting it is to remove that | 01:16 |
| ross | ha | 01:16 |
| thom | unless you have a special EVIL_LT_XORG_HACKER environment variable set? | 01:16 |
| _rene_ | doko: trying to write someting up for OOo on solaris and I wonder whether you can tell gcc which ld to use except on compile time... | 01:16 |
| daniels | yeah | 01:17 |
| daniels | I_ACCEPT_GLXGEARS_IS_NOT_A_BENCHMARK_AND_I_WILL_NOT_POST_THE_RESULTS_OF_RUNNING_THIS_TO_A_FORUM_OR_IRC_CHANNEL=1 glxgears | 01:17 |
| lamont_r | daniels: localized? | 01:18 |
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| Kinnison | Hi, anyone here got a toshiba laptop who is prepared to test a kernel module patch from me? | 01:27 |
| thom | don't trust the bad man! he's an evil evil person and his "patch" will take your laptop to the beach | 01:27 |
| Treenaks | Kinnison: I know someone | 01:27 |
| Kinnison | thom: sssssh | 01:28 |
| Treenaks | Kinnison: what kind of patch is it | 01:28 |
| jdub_ | BEND OVER BEFORE THE ONE YOU LOVE | 01:28 |
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| Kinnison | I need a tester whose toshiba_acpi module says their HCI is \_SB_.VALZ.GHCI | 01:29 |
| Treenaks | Kinnison: 1 moment | 01:29 |
| Kinnison | Treenaks: it's an acpi patch to punt the toshiba keys through the acpi event layer | 01:29 |
| Treenaks | ah | 01:29 |
| Treenaks | let me contact the guy | 01:29 |
| === thom chokes when he sees jdub's response | ||
| jdub_ | ross: your mum. | 01:30 |
| Treenaks | Kinnison: no, this guy mostly has a broken ACPI table on his toshiba, and no \_SB_.VALZ.GHCI stuff | 01:31 |
| ross | ha | 01:31 |
| Treenaks | jdub_: you wish :) | 01:31 |
| Kinnison | Treenaks: oh well; thanks for asking | 01:31 |
| Kinnison | Treenaks: what model does he have? | 01:31 |
| Treenaks | uh satellite somethingorother 1GHz-from-before-the-Centrino-days | 01:32 |
| Kinnison | oh right | 01:32 |
| Treenaks | 6000! that could be it | 01:32 |
| Treenaks | yes.. looks like the Satellite Pro 6000 | 01:32 |
| Kinnison | oh well. thanks | 01:34 |
| bob2 | seb128: #4694 | 01:35 |
| seb128 | bob2, I've read it, thanks | 01:37 |
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| daniels | (if printing's broken, come scream at me, because it's my fault) | 01:49 |
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| fabbione | lamont_r: libgtk2-perl <- any idea why it fails on ia64? | 01:50 |
| fabbione | t/GtkComboBox................# Failed test (t/GtkComboBox.t at line 63) | 01:51 |
| fabbione | i don't understand why this test should fail | 01:51 |
| Kamion | 64-bit crap probably | 01:51 |
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| Kamion | I can look at it at some point given a box with the build-deps | 01:52 |
| === sid77 hi | ||
| fabbione | Kamion: it's a possibility.. but than.. shy did it build on amd64? | 01:52 |
| Kamion | #ifdef __x86_64__ /* non-broken code */ ;) | 01:53 |
| fabbione | Kamion: it's a perl script :P | 01:53 |
| fabbione | well no | 01:53 |
| fabbione | the test is in perl | 01:54 |
| Kamion | it's a set of bindings | 01:54 |
| fabbione | hmmm it builded on debian sparc | 01:54 |
| daniels | goddamnit, why is nvidia working now | 01:56 |
| fabbione | Kamion: possibly it's an API/ABI change in libgtk2.0 | 01:56 |
| fabbione | Kamion: everyone that success in builging the package had version 2.4.x | 01:57 |
| fabbione | both ia64/sparc64 have 2.5.x | 01:57 |
| seb128 | gtk is API/ABI compatible | 01:57 |
| ross | unless -DGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED is on of course | 01:58 |
| fabbione | ross: point | 01:58 |
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| doko | _rene_: IIRC compile time only. | 01:59 |
| fabbione | tools/genmaps.pl:system 'gcc -DGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -Wall -o foo foo.c `pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags --libs`' | 01:59 |
| ross | bzt | 01:59 |
| ross | thats a bug | 01:59 |
| bob2 | hm, suck, my sound driver is throwing out I/O errors | 01:59 |
| Kamion | elmo: $ dchroot -c hoary | 02:00 |
| Kamion | Executing shell in 'hoary' chroot. | 02:00 |
| Kamion | Unknown id: cjwatson | 02:00 |
| Treenaks | bob2: your /sound/ driver? that's scary | 02:00 |
| _rene_ | doko: hmm, thanks | 02:00 |
| daniels | Kamion: any sanity tests I could sensibly run on nic-restricted-modules other than 'output of dpkg-deb -c looks right'? | 02:04 |
| elmo | Kamion: meh | 02:07 |
| elmo | Kamion: fixed | 02:07 |
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| bob2 | Treenaks: yeah, and unloading and reloading doesn't help | 02:08 |
| Treenaks | bob2: use less water :P | 02:08 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: seb128 is working on the libgtk2-perl thingy | 02:08 |
| fabbione | it builded for a mistake in the first place ;) | 02:08 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 02:08 |
| Kamion | fabbione: oh, ok | 02:09 |
| Kamion | daniels: where are you? I'll come and have a look | 02:10 |
| Kamion | 13:10 < CIA-8> tbm * r1999 utils/initrd-tools/ (debian/changelog mkinitrd): | 02:10 |
| Kamion | 13:10 < CIA-8> Add support for encrypted root filesystems using dm-crypt and cryptsetup. | 02:10 |
| thom | Kamion: d-i needs to run udevstart, otherwise you don't get hda on scott's laptop | 02:10 |
| Kamion | 13:10 < CIA-8> Patch provided by Wesley W. Terpstra, with modifications and testing by | 02:10 |
| Kamion | 13:10 < CIA-8> Loic Minier and me (Closes: #247054). | 02:10 |
| Kamion | ooh | 02:10 |
| Kamion | thom: d-i so does already run udevstart | 02:11 |
| thom | Kamion: and udevstart throws a slew of sed errors | 02:11 |
| Kamion | unless it's moved from /sbin | 02:11 |
| daniels | Kamion: currently in the hack room; it was bitching because modules.dep wasn't there, so i threw it in and am respinning now | 02:11 |
| Kamion | thom: specifically in d-i? | 02:11 |
| sivang | does anybody know why testing certficiate doesn't work? Is there anything I need to do besides importing the certificate into firefox? | 02:26 |
| daniels | has anyone got a good lib32 testcase for amd64 that uses GL? | 02:27 |
| lamont_r | fabbione: test failrues | 02:27 |
| fabbione | lamont_r: nm.. we already tracked down the problem | 02:28 |
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| Kamion | daniels: glxgears! | 02:30 |
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| lamont_r | fabbione: and fixed it??? | 02:30 |
| fabbione | lamont_r: seb is on it | 02:32 |
| fabbione | it is prefectly reproducible (see the scroll back) | 02:32 |
| daniels | Kamion: it's native, sorry :P | 02:33 |
| Treenaks | daniels: doom 3 | 02:33 |
| daniels | Treenaks: ... anything I could install on our router to test with | 02:35 |
| Treenaks | daniels: some lib32-compiled version of tuxracer? | 02:37 |
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| Kamion | no wonder d-i/gtk wouldn't start up; libgtk-x11 dinnae work so well | 02:40 |
| daniels | Kamion: goddamnit, dude | 02:44 |
| daniels | Kamion: i almost tangoed my monitor in the launchpad meeting | 02:44 |
| elmo | I think we should s/tango/thom/ in memory of the Argentinian incident | 02:50 |
| daniels | heh :) | 02:50 |
| daniels | 'i almost rentboyed my laptop' | 02:51 |
| fabbione | guys is there any c++ expert around that can help me a few minutes? | 03:01 |
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| fabbione | argh never mind | 03:02 |
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| daniels | fabbione: hm, sup? | 03:04 |
| fabbione | daniels: 3838 | 03:06 |
| fabbione | the problem isn't c++ in wvstreams | 03:06 |
| fabbione | it's openssl that broke | 03:06 |
| fabbione | Kamion: it might be wise to kick both the wvstreams and openssl maintainers in Debian | 03:07 |
| fabbione | Kamion: openssl hasn't been fixed in more than a month | 03:07 |
| fabbione | but clearly.. it doesn't have a bug | 03:07 |
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| fabbione | " was totally broken (it patched itself)" | 03:08 |
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| fabbione | pitti: gotta love ya :-) | 03:08 |
| pitti | fabbione: I didn't break it :-) | 03:09 |
| zul | fabbione: how is the sparc stuff coming? | 03:09 |
| pitti | fabbione: the nice thing was that it patched the patch instead of patching the appropriate files | 03:09 |
| daniels | fabbione: ah, cool | 03:10 |
| fabbione | zul: pretty good | 03:11 |
| fabbione | stay tuned | 03:11 |
| fabbione | pitti: ehehe | 03:11 |
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| jdub | Kamion: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130547 | 03:45 |
| jdub | seb128: ping | 03:48 |
| seb128 | jdub, pong | 03:48 |
| jdub | seb128: checked vuntz's new patch? | 03:49 |
| seb128 | talking with him on jabber right now | 03:49 |
| jdub | cool | 03:49 |
| pitti | haggai: here? | 03:50 |
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| Keybuk | scott 26889 0.1 1.9 18956 9552 ? D 15:30 0:00 xscreensaver-demo | 04:34 |
| Keybuk | ... what's wrong with this picture? :o) | 04:34 |
| Kinnison | That reminds me | 04:34 |
| Kinnison | I need to make sure ktoshkeyd uses TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE | 04:35 |
| daniels | daniel@mataro:~/doom3 $ sudo ./doom3-linux-1.1.1286-demo.x86.run | 04:43 |
| daniels | Verifying archive integrity...Error in MD5 checksums: 0f31c705ff44388b7de1b0568c2b99a5 is different from 319c7d28bb6a3333c4b74eaa9bfd6bc9 | 04:43 |
| daniels | OH WHAT | 04:44 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: ping | 04:44 |
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| Kinnison | nice clean clothes? | 04:46 |
| daniels | elmo: could you please install the most recent kernel-wedge on davis and concordia? | 04:50 |
| daniels | mataro.u.c going down for one last reboot | 04:51 |
| `anthony | la la la la la la la firewalls suck la la la I want the internet back la la la la la | 04:52 |
| Treenaks | `anthony: uh.. you have internet | 04:53 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: pong | 04:53 |
| `anthony | Treenaks: No. I have a butchered internet with a network device damaging my packets. | 04:54 |
| Treenaks | `anthony: well, blame thom | 04:54 |
| thom | no, no | 04:55 |
| thom | blame spain | 04:55 |
| thom | it's like blame canada with more phlegm | 04:55 |
| Treenaks | I had a nice Telefonica ADSL connection at gate M3 on the Barcelona airport ;) | 04:55 |
| Treenaks | Intel/Telefonica/HP promo stand with insecure AP & uncapped DSL | 04:55 |
| lamont_r | daniels: hurry up even | 04:58 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: you might want to stick "deb " & "deb-src " on the front of the last two lines of /etc/apt/sources.list :p | 04:59 |
| Kamion | meh what? | 04:59 |
| Keybuk | the universe ones are kinda missing then :p | 04:59 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: d'oh! | 04:59 |
| Kamion | fixed locally | 05:00 |
| Kamion | need to shut down now until I can find my power adaptor or a UK socket | 05:00 |
| daniels | lamont_r: it's back | 05:01 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: ah. do you want to test lib32 stuff? :) | 05:01 |
| lamont_r | daniels: cool | 05:02 |
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| Keybuk | seb128: gnome-panel attacked Mark's laptop | 05:04 |
| seb128 | in which way ? | 05:05 |
| jdub | it's a bit b0rk atm | 05:07 |
| jdub | vuntz sent a new patch | 05:07 |
| jdub | trying it out atm | 05:07 |
| seb128 | jdub, you are doing a new package too ? | 05:07 |
| seb128 | BONG | 05:07 |
| jdub | no, just doing a quick hack to try | 05:08 |
| jdub | i tohught you were doing the package :) | 05:08 |
| seb128 | it's installed on my box | 05:08 |
| seb128 | just playing with it before uploading | 05:08 |
| jdub | ahr | 05:08 |
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| fabbione | lamont_r: linux-s 2.6.9 for i386 is dead? | 05:23 |
| lamont_r | dunno | 05:24 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: in a couple of hours, sure. | 05:24 |
| fabbione | it's more than 8 hours that has been uploaded... | 05:25 |
| fabbione | i wonder if it is stocked somewhere | 05:25 |
| lamont_r | checking | 05:26 |
| fabbione | thanks | 05:27 |
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| daniels | Mithrandir: cool, thanks | 05:35 |
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| `anthony | woo! look at all the upnp-aware devices on the conference network... | 05:45 |
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| fabbione | lamont_r: did you find my i386 kernel? | 06:01 |
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| Kamion | fabbione: have you checked down the back of the sofa? | 06:03 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ahahahah | 06:03 |
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| daniels | Mithrandir: well, l-r-m -9 (0ubuntu8 for nvidia-glx) should do lib32 sanely | 06:06 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: just got uploaded now | 06:06 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: did you notice that ooo is ftbfs? | 06:06 |
| Simira | Mithrandir went swimming, he's back within a couple of hours | 06:10 |
| fabbione | Simira: thanks.. we know he reads the scrollback ;) | 06:10 |
| Simira | yup | 06:10 |
| Kamion | daniels: seeded | 06:11 |
| Kinnison | hey Simira | 06:12 |
| Kamion | mdz: seeded dmsetup-udeb (I'd thought you were doing it, apparently you thought I was doing it) | 06:12 |
| Simira | hi Kinnison :) Still enjoying Mataro? | 06:12 |
| Kinnison | Oh yes | 06:13 |
| lamont_r | fabbione: found and uploaded. | 06:14 |
| daniels | Kamion: cheers | 06:14 |
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| fabbione | lamont_r: cheers.. what went wrong? | 06:15 |
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| koke | window | 06:16 |
| koke | ops, sorry | 06:16 |
| lamont_r | it was a cooperative effort | 06:17 |
| fabbione | hmmmm | 06:20 |
| fabbione | oh well... | 06:20 |
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| fabbione | seb128: | 06:26 |
| fabbione | checking for XineramaQueryExtension in -lXinerama_pic... no | 06:27 |
| fabbione | checking for Xinerama support on XFree86... no | 06:27 |
| fabbione | checking if <X11/extensions/XIproto.h> is needed for xReply... no | 06:27 |
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| fabbione | this is building gtk+2.0_2.5.6-0ubuntu3 | 06:27 |
| fabbione | perhaps we should change that to recognize the new shared xinerama lib? | 06:27 |
| mdz | Kamion: thanks | 06:28 |
| trulux | lamont_r, is doko over there? i have uploaded and updated the hardened debian repository | 06:28 |
| lamont_r | trulux: he's not physically present in the room where I am | 06:28 |
| seb128 | fabbione, yeah | 06:29 |
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| mdz | elmo: python2.4 is expected to be pulled into main shortly, if it isn't already | 06:29 |
| trulux | lamont_r, i mean, is he online/available for talk? | 06:29 |
| trulux | doko, ping? | 06:30 |
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| smurfix_ | doko: ? | 06:47 |
| doko | smurfix_; hmm, used the wron nick ... | 06:49 |
| trulux | doko, hey | 06:50 |
| trulux | doko, did you managed my patches? i have a new revision of the PIE ones | 06:50 |
| trulux | for all archs | 06:50 |
| trulux | the SSP one is still not working on upgrowing stack archs | 06:50 |
| pitti | trulux: what is a "stack arch"? | 06:51 |
| sjoerd | pitti: archs where your stack goes upward instead of downward | 06:52 |
| pitti | ah | 06:52 |
| pitti | trulux: I thought SSP would place canaries on both ends of a buffer? | 06:52 |
| pitti | trulux: at least that would make sense... | 06:52 |
| daniels | good god | 06:53 |
| daniels | CXXFLAGS="-g0 -DTT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER -pipe -O3 -march=pentium4 -fweb -funswitch-loops -funroll-all-loops -funit-at-a-time -fsched2-use-traces -fsched2-use-superblocks -fsched-stalled-insns=12 -frename-registers -fprefetch-loop-arrays -fpeel-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -fmerge-all-constants -finline-limit=32768 -finline-functions -ffunction-sections -ffast-math -fdata-sections -fbranch-target-load-optimize2 -fvisibility-inlines | 06:53 |
| trulux | pitti, i've talked to Etoh, it's developer, and dunno, he is putting effort in the coming 4.0 release | 06:54 |
| trulux | (for gcc4) | 06:54 |
| trulux | but i think people runnning hppa for example is not our first goal | 06:55 |
| trulux | as we don't have access to such hardware | 06:55 |
| trulux | other archs are already supported | 06:55 |
| pitti | trulux: cool, that means that there is a chance of supporting SSP in gcc 4? | 06:55 |
| trulux | sure | 06:56 |
| trulux | Etoh asked about some info on gcc3 to 4 changes, i've just talked to him about them and he said that it's now WPI | 06:56 |
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| trulux | hopefully in some months we will have it, dunno | 06:57 |
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| fabbione | mdz: do you want to hand me the cloop stuff? | 07:13 |
| fabbione | mdz: i need to do another upload pretty soon | 07:13 |
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| lamont_r | azeem: you around? | 07:28 |
| azeem | yes | 07:30 |
| usual | hello lamont_r | 07:31 |
| lamont_r | usual: hi | 07:31 |
| fabbione | lamont_r: if you want to debug that problem with the buildd that didn't uplaod the kernel this is about the right tim | 07:32 |
| fabbione | lamont_r: -7 is up | 07:32 |
| fabbione | lamont_r: kthxbye | 07:32 |
| fabbione | ;) | 07:32 |
| lamont_r | fabbione: already fixed and tested | 07:33 |
| fabbione | cool | 07:33 |
| lamont_r | -7 fixes ppc? :-) | 07:33 |
| azeem | lamont_r: anything up in particular, or are you just happy that I'm around? =) | 07:35 |
| lamont_r | wondering if you know why the hurd patch changed the x86 detection to use i.86.* instead of i.86 | 07:38 |
| lamont_r | (util-linux) | 07:38 |
| azeem | not off-hand | 07:39 |
| azeem | is it in the package already or in some bug #? | 07:39 |
| sladen | doko: would you be able to sudo apt-get install dmidecode && sudo dmidecode | mail -s 'Foreign BIOS' ubuntu@paul.sladen.org ? | 07:40 |
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| trulux | pitti, hey | 07:42 |
| pitti | hi trulux | 07:42 |
| trulux | pitti, i have uploaded the hardened toolchain packages to a srage-ready rep | 07:42 |
| pitti | trulux: cool | 07:42 |
| trulux | let me rebuild the Packages.gz and test the rep | 07:42 |
| pitti | trulux: I would really like to eventually see that in Debian and Ubuntu | 07:42 |
| pitti | trulux: however, there were some concerns about upstream adoption and cooperation | 07:43 |
| pitti | trulux: how well is SSP supported by IBM? | 07:43 |
| tseng | pitti: not very | 07:43 |
| trulux | hey tseng | 07:43 |
| tseng | hi | 07:43 |
| trulux | tseng, just as all the rest of research projects | 07:44 |
| fabbione | mako: do you have the key of the room? | 07:44 |
| doko | sladen: not on my laptop. I know this feature from some Siemens-Fujitsu desktops. I'll try to get access to one when I return. | 07:46 |
| sladen | groovy | 07:47 |
| tseng | pitti: there is limited response to bugs against SSP | 07:47 |
| pitti | tseng: that's why we are hesitant with using it | 07:48 |
| tseng | and then there is the issue of where to put the __guard symbols | 07:48 |
| trulux | tseng, libssp | 07:48 |
| tseng | yes maybe | 07:48 |
| trulux | tseng, it's the best way | 07:48 |
| tseng | do you have pappy's paper on why its in glibc? | 07:49 |
| tseng | ill try and dig it out of cvs. | 07:51 |
| trulux | tseng, yes | 07:51 |
| trulux | pappy and me are going to work together on some things | 07:51 |
| trulux | and we think libssp is the best way to handle the __guard symbols | 07:51 |
| tseng | ok | 07:52 |
| tseng | what was the name of that gcc4 thing that redhat is looking at | 07:53 |
| trulux | tseng, mudflap | 07:53 |
| trulux | it's not going to be the thing it was supposed to | 07:53 |
| trulux | that's the reason because gcc4 will get a ready ssp version | 07:54 |
| trulux | (this comes from Etoh) | 07:54 |
| trulux | doko, there? | 07:54 |
| trulux | pitti, it would be great to work together on some things, i mean Ubuntu and debhard devs, but we need some infrastructure | 07:55 |
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| trulux | the problem is fun, we don't have a rsync server nor a good scm | 07:55 |
| pitti | trulux: and we need some people who actually know what they are doing :-) | 07:55 |
| trulux | pitti, what do you mean with that? | 07:55 |
| jdub | lamont_r: network says NO | 07:56 |
| pitti | trulux: I mean, if you want to help us bringing gcc-ssp support to Ubuntu, that'd be great | 07:56 |
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| trulux | pitti, yeah ;-) | 07:57 |
| trulux | hardened debian exists for that | 07:57 |
| trulux | it's not fork of Debian like Adamantix <- i should register this as trademark :D | 07:58 |
| tseng | trulux: it might be easier for them if h-deb builds from hoary | 07:58 |
| trulux | tseng, i can try to chroot a hoary installation | 07:58 |
| trulux | i'm running warty | 07:58 |
| tseng | ya debbootstrap it | 07:58 |
| trulux | kay | 07:59 |
| tseng | grab that latest gcc source, and try to work in your patches | 07:59 |
| tseng | you are self hosting now? | 07:59 |
| trulux | what repos to use? same as warty ones but s/warty/hoary/ right? | 07:59 |
| trulux | tseng, yes | 07:59 |
| trulux | mcp is hosting the wiki and the website on a hardened server | 07:59 |
| tseng | yes @ s/w/h/g | 07:59 |
| tseng | mcp is in? | 08:00 |
| trulux | yes | 08:00 |
| tseng | interesting. | 08:00 |
| trulux | heh | 08:00 |
| tseng | yeah.. if you get your patches working against hoary gcc sources | 08:01 |
| tseng | and can provide a nice diff i think that'll put us well on the way | 08:01 |
| trulux | which gcc is using hoary? | 08:01 |
| trulux | ok | 08:01 |
| tseng | 3.3.5 | 08:01 |
| tseng | is default | 08:01 |
| lamont_r | jdub: firewall rules fixed | 08:01 |
| trulux | tseng, then great | 08:02 |
| tseng | good | 08:02 |
| tseng | trulux: im off for home, hopefully my dsl is fixed | 08:03 |
| tseng | trulux: otherwise ill bbiaf days | 08:03 |
| trulux | ok | 08:05 |
| lamont_r | azeem: I good and truly broke the hurd patch, I think... Probably some time ago... just switched util-linux over to using dpatch, and left what's left of the hurd patch as unapplied magic for some caring individual to fix and mail me... | 08:11 |
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| zul | tseng: i have some debs with selinux already im just working on sysvinit at the moment | 08:16 |
| trulux | zul, working with selinux stuff? | 08:21 |
| zul | trulux: a bit.. | 08:22 |
| zul | when i have time to | 08:22 |
| sladen | somebody needs to correct the imbalance on the current slashdot article about boot optimisation | 08:24 |
| sladen | http://www.planetarytramp.net/bootchart/bootchart-20041210-1934.png | 08:24 |
| trulux | zul, how is it going? | 08:25 |
| zul | trulux: its ok..just trying to fix some patches but its going slowly | 08:26 |
| trulux | is it going to be desktop friendly? | 08:26 |
| trulux | i mean, no conflicts with gnome and so on | 08:26 |
| zul | i hope so :) | 08:27 |
| zul | thats the goal eventually | 08:27 |
| trulux | zul, great | 08:29 |
| trulux | i wa splanning to do that, do you know rjc? | 08:30 |
| zul | nope | 08:30 |
| trulux | then you should get in contact with him, he has done a lot of work with selinux-debian | 08:30 |
| trulux | join #selinux | 08:30 |
| zul | okie dokie | 08:31 |
| zul | :) | 08:31 |
| trulux | ;D | 08:32 |
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| shaya | anyone have an idea why my delete key acts as backspace in hoary's emacs? | 08:52 |
| shaya | works fine in vi for instance | 08:53 |
| shaya | no one home? | 09:03 |
| azeem | shaya: try #ubuntu | 09:06 |
| zul | or use vim | 09:06 |
| sladen | shaya: somebody else mentioned it. Can you find the bug on the bugzilla and add your experience too | 09:07 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: ack, I'll replace my graphics card soon. | 09:11 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: yes. | 09:11 |
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| stratus | anyone cares about this thread? http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-November/msg00561.html | 10:33 |
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| thully | Hey - has anyone had trouble w/ mailing list digests | 10:52 |
| thully | My messages change to an unreadable text color about 1/3 into the message | 10:53 |
| sladen | thully: duff HTML in one of the messages? | 10:53 |
| thully | maybe - I think it is the "replay" color | 10:54 |
| thully | replay=reply | 10:54 |
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| linux_mafia | oops | 10:54 |
| linux_mafia | jesus | 10:54 |
| thully | Could something be done serverside to strip all such html from messages? | 10:54 |
| linux_mafia | who would i ask/petition to include an option in the kernel images, at least in hoary anyway? | 10:55 |
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| usual | I'm really starting to like Jazz | 11:11 |
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| lamont_r | doko: sup? | 11:27 |
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