=== srbaker [~srbaker@dpc67446114.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GotD0t [~GotD0t@24.48.147.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] nobody is to TOUCH the hoary menus, hehe, they work fine now... no more tweaking please ;-) [12:17] they so don't work [12:17] ? [12:17] what do you mean they don't work? === thom is seriously tempted to add an @hourly cronjob to killall the panel [12:18] GotD0t: segfaults, bits of the panel going missing, etc etc [12:18] thom: i havent experienced any of that as of late [12:18] thom: so maybe they just dont like you ;-) [12:19] no, they're all known bugs [12:19] well they can fix that without messing with the configuration of the actual menus === lifeless_ [~robertc@dsl-43.6.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] because over the last week there have been hundreds of configurations and most of them were unusable === `anthony [~anthony@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] dear whiprush, please send your great suggestions to the devel list instead of prattling on about them in your blog where i only find them because by coincidence i read planet ars, love jdub. === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] jdub: heh, ok. I'm still getting used to it, I'll do it when I get home. [01:40] ;-) [01:40] whiprush: dude, remember that there is a whole distro you can fix here [01:40] heh, k. [01:41] Heading home from work, I'll formulate something in an hour or two, today was my first full day with them. === jdub has to pinch himself sometimes [01:41] "oh yeah, we can actually FIX THAT!" [01:41] bbl [01:41] later === hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion releases Array CD 2 and flees in the general direction of bed before anyone asks him questions about it. === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@p508EBDA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:38] anybody have any ideas on killing nautilus for good, i don't want it to come back [04:46] rm /usr/bin/nautilus [04:51] no, i mean i want to be able to use it [04:51] but whenever i killall nautilus it comes back === |QuaD- [~QuaD@beac872-0b01-dhcp182.bu.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:02] GotD0t: alt-F4 === HcE_ [~hc@66.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GotD0t [~GotD0t@24.48.147.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GotD0t [~GotD0t@24.48.147.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maskie [~maskie@196-30-110-161.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [~seveas@213-73-236-154.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont_r [~lamont@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgedmin [~mg@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maskie [~maskie@196-30-111-12.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elmo [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia_ [~rasputin@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] good morning mataro :) [09:06] hey Treenaks [09:08] good morining amsterdam :) [09:08] (...and mataro of course) [09:09] Hi ogra [09:09] Hi Treenaks, how's it going [09:09] hye ogra [09:10] pitti: I feel it's going to be a slow day today [09:11] and I really need someone to poke jdub -- it's been a week since I asked him to create ubuntu-nl and it's still not done :) === jdub is thusly poked [09:12] Treenaks: preferred email address? [09:13] jdub: ubuntu-nl@lists.ubuntu.com? [09:13] jdub: or list admin? [09:13] jdub: martijn@foodfight.org === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] admin [09:14] second one then :) [09:14] Nederlandstalige Ubuntu-ondersteuning en -discussie [09:15] should there be a space/hyphen there? [09:15] jdub: uh, remove the - before discussie [09:21] mjg59: you around for discussing how to do system-dtection stuff? (Hardware DB/dmi-decode things) === jamesh [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] uh? nice quit msg === BradB [~bradb@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 [~sid77@151.11.187.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 [~sid77@151.11.187.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 hi === sladen [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] haggai: Hi! === smurfix_ [~smurf@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] I'm running hoary on a geforce powerbook, yesterday I dist-upgraded and I found my screen on 640x480 resolution. I solved the problem just adding 2 lines (vert and horiz frequencies) to xorg.conf, should this kind of info be added to rhe default xorg.conf or will this broke things up on other machine? [09:37] sid77: it's a bug. please check the bugzilla and lart daniels ;) [09:37] ok :) [09:39] sid77: it's fixed in my local tree in hoary [09:39] er [09:39] in my local tree, *for* hoary [09:39] the nv driver sucks, news at 11 [09:40] daniels: s/news/film/ [09:40] lamont_r: no, that's only on pay-tv ;) [09:43] *groan* [09:44] lol [09:44] so I shouldn't file a bug, am I right? [09:49] sid77: right [09:49] daniels: I have the same problem (640x480 only, unless I add hsync/vrefresh) with the trident driver [09:50] daniels: (1024x768 laptop: Toshiba Satellite something) [09:51] cool [09:52] daniels: I can file that as a bug (+ X log + xorg.conf) if you want [09:52] nah, it's alright thanks, i'll just add that to the special case [09:53] trident DOES detect the panel as a 1024x768 panel.. [09:53] daniels: is it the same bug as mine? [09:53] stvn: i think so, yeah [09:55] hm, i thought i had hsync/vrefresh but will try later this week === maskie [~maskie@196-30-111-233.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rs [~remon@210-64-dsl.ipact.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] morning guys [10:34] +?????????+ Installing the Ubuntu base system +?????????+ [10:35] ^^^ hoary on sparc === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia_ [~rasputin@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] fabbione: it works now? [10:35] rock [10:36] Treenaks: i am testing the real first install .. but theoretically yes [10:36] fabbione: leet [10:36] Treenaks: yeah.. i expect a failure configuring X.org [10:37] but that's not daniels fault [10:37] not this time at least [10:37] ;) [10:37] ... yay dell hardware [10:37] fabbione: it's yours? [10:37] heh :) [10:37] Treenaks: more or less... the box simply doesn't have a video card :P [10:37] you can't ddc probe a serial port [10:38] so i can't expect X to autoconfigure properly [10:38] daniels: exactly... [10:38] daniels: hey i2c is a serial protocol ;) === martink [~martin@pD9EB36DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] hmmm it failed somewhere installing base... [10:42] fabbione: uh ... we haven't actually added sparc to debootstrap yet === fabbione takes note that cat /var/log/partman on a 9600 serial console is NOT sane [10:42] so that's not so surprising :) [10:42] right [10:42] Mithrandir: ping [10:42] Kamion: i think it's time to dual bitch elmo ;) === ross [~ross@82-133-111-179.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] hey, I don't care, I can make debootstrap work regardless of whether it's in the archive or not [10:43] somebody just needs to tell me that the archive is sufficiently stable [10:43] thom: hey dude, the amd64 doesn't happen to have an nvidia card in it, does it? [10:43] Kamion: it is stable.. [10:43] thom: (mataro.u.c) [10:43] Kamion: i am only keeping up with main right now [10:44] Kamion: i have "only" 5 FTBFS and missing ooo [10:44] Kamion: but that's more related to ubuntu-desktop task than anything else [10:44] Kamion: ooo is missing because i forgot to remove it from the PAS [10:44] but i will be build it shortly [10:44] daniels: don't think so [10:45] thom: can you check? :) [10:45] 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) [10:45] ahr, shit [10:46] Kamion: it would be _WAY_COOL_ if debootstrap were enhanced to allow me to specify a sources.list :-) [10:47] lamont_r: i fully agree.. the limitation to a single url is overkilling [10:48] Kamion: please do in such a way that both ltrace and strace are removed from sparc [10:48] Kamion: the latter is a temporary hack. the former doesn't exist for sparc === amu [~amu@195.71.9.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] daniels: pong === Keybuk [~scott@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] jdub: ping? [10:54] welcome to #pingpong === elmo [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] hey elmo [11:03] i did fix that Release file problem btw.. thanks anyway [11:04] k === fabbione gives elmo a big morning hug === jdub_ [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] ross: ping [11:11] pong === doko [~doko@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] Kamion: [11:14] Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/kernel-wedge/commands/gen-control line 36, line 2. [11:14] Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/kernel-wedge/commands/gen-control line 161. [11:14] did you notice a bunch of these errors building the kernel? [11:14] fabbione: afaict they're harmless; i hit them a lot too [11:15] i usually hitted the first one [11:15] the second one is the first time [11:15] that's why i am asking === trukulo [~mzarza@26.Red-81-45-239.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@c128202.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] fabbione: yeah, they're harmless though [11:31] Kamion: good.. [11:32] <_rene_> doko: there? [11:40] it would help if I cronned update-germinate, wouldn't it? [11:41] fabbione: the latter's fixed upstream === elmo [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] ANACRON IS FREAKIN "SPECIAL" [11:43] nice [11:43] mataro.ubuntu.com is going down for a few minutes for amd64 l-r-m special love [11:45] daniels: eh what? [11:45] nvidia joy [11:45] daniels: and why do you need to use mataro.u.c ? [11:45] BECAUSE IT'S AN AMD64 [11:45] (this is thom) [11:46] Hot NVidia Love! [11:46] and no-one in the distro team is stupid enough to have an nvidia card in their amd64s [11:46] no really.. i mean.. it's -> NVIDIA COMMERICIAL BINARY UBER CRAP <- [11:46] [11:49] distro team people upstairs please [11:51] jdub_: what is going on? [11:53] elmo_away: ? [11:53] jdub_: ??? === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elmo [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] mataro.u.c back up [11:57] Kamion: can i kill devfs from the kernel? === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lhb [lhb@kapsi.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:03] hi there, will ever ubuntu be ported on sparc? [12:04] already done [12:04] 16:32 * fabbione attempts the first hoary installation on sparc [12:05] thx treenaks... [12:05] wow. [12:05] treenaks: 16:32, when [12:05] ? [12:06] cenerentola: 20 hours ago [12:07] here's my baby: http://www.naturetechws.com/Product-888P.htm [12:08] Yikes! [12:08] why did I read that as "Nature Worldwide Technology Crap." ? [12:08] holy crap 3.45kg [12:09] (just like the Marriott hotel around the corner, which I first read as "Marillat") [12:09] and the Can Torrent around mataro'' centre [12:10] cenerentola: Can Torrent, yeah 8) [12:10] don't touch my baby please [12:10] 3.45KG? HOLY FUCKING SHIT [12:11] OMGWTFONLY630FPS === daniels returns the card. [12:12] Sparc "PowerBook"? [12:14] cenerentola: good luck... with that toy... most of the hw won't probably be supported by the kernel anyway [12:14] ahhh... [12:14] Kamion: i figured why ftp still depends on libreadline5 [12:15] Kamion: both libreadline4 and 5-dev provides libreadline-dev [12:15] fabbione: never ever, or just never, or sometime in a remote future? [12:15] and netkit-ftp build-dep libreadline-dev that at that point in time was libreadline5 for me [12:16] fabbione: sparc done [12:16] cenerentola: no idea.. just for a started pcmcia support isn't compiled on sparc [12:16] fabbione: devfs err, hmm, moo [12:16] ross: it probably needs three-phase to charge, too [12:16] Kamion: uh? [12:16] haha [12:16] daniels: to charge? there are batteries which can power that? [12:17] ross: THE SUN [12:17] the disk is actually a fiber channel raid array you tow behind you on a cart [12:17] it probably has a 50m^2 solar panel which you need to attach [12:17] rofl [12:17] fabbione: since the installer doesn't use it, I guess so [12:17] Kamion: ok.. i guess we can wait for that [12:17] fabbione: netkit-ftp> yeah, that's the standard problem [12:17] fabbione: wait for what? :) [12:17] Kamion: to kill devfs [12:17] there might be people using it [12:18] Kamion: ok.. i am going to tight the build-dep to libreadline4-dev [12:18] please [12:23] fabbione: as you have some free time, could you please explain better what will happen with the sparc port, [12:23] ? [12:24] Kamion: netkit-ftp is up [12:24] cenerentola: right now we have a almost installable sparc port, but it will take sometime (a bunch of weeks) before the packages will enter the archive for real [12:24] in anycase the port is unofficial [12:24] and not supported [12:25] seb128: after resuming from suspend-to-disk, the battery monitor decides I have no battery [12:25] well, if we find someone to help you, will you accept them? [12:25] also.. i am doing the port in my spare time.. so that means that it will get the loves i can give it to it [12:26] seb128: tho /prc/acpi knows I have one [12:26] cenerentola: the problem is to find one [12:26] cenerentola: but clearly yes.. help is welcome, even if at this point in time is still limited to fix FTBFS [12:26] bob2, bugzilla that please :) [12:27] ok. it's a deal ;). [12:27] fabbione: FTBS... oops [12:29] ciao a tutti [12:31] mataro.u.c is going down for a reboot (2.6.9), will be back shortly [12:32] stop rebooting that nice toy :P [12:33] only needed to reboot it twice -- once for the new card, once for 2.6.9 [12:33] after that, it should be fine [12:34] until the nv1d14cr4p will crash it [12:37] thom: ? [12:39] daniels: gimme a second === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mooch [~data@213.229.161.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] _rene_: yes [01:01] hi all [01:03] food is waiting, for those of you who want to get some [01:08] "want" is an interesting point. The desire to eat, vs. the desire to die. [01:09] EIGHT HUNDRED EFF PEE ESS [01:09] ahaha [01:10] it's mutant tomato, unmulched and seeking revenge [01:10] wasn't it daniels who said ''glxgears is not a benchmarking tool'' yesterday [01:11] thom: not evil mutant tomato! [01:13] 700 efe pe ese here [01:13] rocks [01:14] sladen: laden with sarcasm [01:14] sladen: (my current 'benchmarking', not my original 'it's not a benchmark' remarks, because it ISN'T) [01:15] daniels: but it's got a FPS counter === ross runs [01:15] fglrxgears is cooler [01:15] GRAH HEISENBUG [01:16] ross: you have no idea how tempting it is to remove that [01:16] ha [01:16] unless you have a special EVIL_LT_XORG_HACKER environment variable set? [01:16] <_rene_> doko: trying to write someting up for OOo on solaris and I wonder whether you can tell gcc which ld to use except on compile time... [01:17] yeah [01:17] I_ACCEPT_GLXGEARS_IS_NOT_A_BENCHMARK_AND_I_WILL_NOT_POST_THE_RESULTS_OF_RUNNING_THIS_TO_A_FORUM_OR_IRC_CHANNEL=1 glxgears [01:18] daniels: localized? === Kinnison [~dsilvers@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] Hi, anyone here got a toshiba laptop who is prepared to test a kernel module patch from me? [01:27] don't trust the bad man! he's an evil evil person and his "patch" will take your laptop to the beach [01:27] Kinnison: I know someone [01:28] thom: sssssh [01:28] Kinnison: what kind of patch is it [01:28] BEND OVER BEFORE THE ONE YOU LOVE === ross wonders what jdub is on [01:29] I need a tester whose toshiba_acpi module says their HCI is \_SB_.VALZ.GHCI [01:29] Kinnison: 1 moment [01:29] Treenaks: it's an acpi patch to punt the toshiba keys through the acpi event layer [01:29] ah [01:29] let me contact the guy === thom chokes when he sees jdub's response [01:30] ross: your mum. [01:31] Kinnison: no, this guy mostly has a broken ACPI table on his toshiba, and no \_SB_.VALZ.GHCI stuff [01:31] ha [01:31] jdub_: you wish :) [01:31] Treenaks: oh well; thanks for asking [01:31] Treenaks: what model does he have? [01:32] uh satellite somethingorother 1GHz-from-before-the-Centrino-days [01:32] oh right [01:32] 6000! that could be it [01:32] yes.. looks like the Satellite Pro 6000 [01:34] oh well. thanks [01:35] seb128: #4694 [01:37] bob2, I've read it, thanks === stratus [~stratus@200.198.184.97] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robtaylor|away is now known as robtaylor [01:49] (if printing's broken, come scream at me, because it's my fault) === mvo [~egon@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] lamont_r: libgtk2-perl <- any idea why it fails on ia64? [01:51] t/GtkComboBox................# Failed test (t/GtkComboBox.t at line 63) [01:51] i don't understand why this test should fail [01:51] 64-bit crap probably === sid77 [~sid77@151.11.187.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] I can look at it at some point given a box with the build-deps === sid77 hi [01:52] Kamion: it's a possibility.. but than.. shy did it build on amd64? [01:53] #ifdef __x86_64__ /* non-broken code */ ;) [01:53] Kamion: it's a perl script :P [01:53] well no [01:54] the test is in perl [01:54] it's a set of bindings [01:54] hmmm it builded on debian sparc [01:56] goddamnit, why is nvidia working now [01:56] Kamion: possibly it's an API/ABI change in libgtk2.0 [01:57] Kamion: everyone that success in builging the package had version 2.4.x [01:57] both ia64/sparc64 have 2.5.x [01:57] gtk is API/ABI compatible [01:58] unless -DGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED is on of course [01:58] ross: point === fabbione checks [01:59] _rene_: IIRC compile time only. [01:59] tools/genmaps.pl:system 'gcc -DGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -Wall -o foo foo.c `pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags --libs`' [01:59] bzt [01:59] thats a bug [01:59] hm, suck, my sound driver is throwing out I/O errors [02:00] elmo: $ dchroot -c hoary [02:00] Executing shell in 'hoary' chroot. [02:00] Unknown id: cjwatson [02:00] bob2: your /sound/ driver? that's scary [02:00] <_rene_> doko: hmm, thanks [02:04] Kamion: any sanity tests I could sensibly run on nic-restricted-modules other than 'output of dpkg-deb -c looks right'? [02:07] Kamion: meh [02:07] Kamion: fixed === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] Treenaks: yeah, and unloading and reloading doesn't help [02:08] bob2: use less water :P === zeedo [~notroot@www.bsrf.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] Kamion: seb128 is working on the libgtk2-perl thingy [02:08] it builded for a mistake in the first place ;) [02:08] ah ah [02:09] fabbione: oh, ok [02:10] daniels: where are you? I'll come and have a look [02:10] 13:10 < CIA-8> tbm * r1999 utils/initrd-tools/ (debian/changelog mkinitrd): [02:10] 13:10 < CIA-8> Add support for encrypted root filesystems using dm-crypt and cryptsetup. [02:10] Kamion: d-i needs to run udevstart, otherwise you don't get hda on scott's laptop [02:10] 13:10 < CIA-8> Patch provided by Wesley W. Terpstra, with modifications and testing by [02:10] 13:10 < CIA-8> Loic Minier and me (Closes: #247054). [02:10] ooh [02:11] thom: d-i so does already run udevstart [02:11] Kamion: and udevstart throws a slew of sed errors [02:11] unless it's moved from /sbin [02:11] Kamion: currently in the hack room; it was bitching because modules.dep wasn't there, so i threw it in and am respinning now [02:11] thom: specifically in d-i? [02:26] does anybody know why testing certficiate doesn't work? Is there anything I need to do besides importing the certificate into firefox? [02:27] has anyone got a good lib32 testcase for amd64 that uses GL? [02:27] fabbione: test failrues [02:28] lamont_r: nm.. we already tracked down the problem === srbaker [~srbaker@dpc67446114.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [rpGirl@m146i.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] daniels: glxgears! === Kamion runs away [02:30] fabbione: and fixed it??? [02:32] lamont_r: seb is on it [02:32] it is prefectly reproducible (see the scroll back) [02:33] Kamion: it's native, sorry :P [02:33] daniels: doom 3 [02:35] Treenaks: ... anything I could install on our router to test with [02:37] daniels: some lib32-compiled version of tuxracer? === Kamion rebuilds cdebconf WITH THE RIGHT GTK LIBRARIES THIS TIME === Treenaks hands Kamion the Auto-Lart [02:40] no wonder d-i/gtk wouldn't start up; libgtk-x11 dinnae work so well [02:44] Kamion: goddamnit, dude [02:44] Kamion: i almost tangoed my monitor in the launchpad meeting [02:50] I think we should s/tango/thom/ in memory of the Argentinian incident [02:50] heh :) [02:51] 'i almost rentboyed my laptop' [03:01] guys is there any c++ expert around that can help me a few minutes? === martink [~mk793652@irz7150.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] argh never mind === sid77 mimes a "spaghetti western" dusty ball crossing the channel [03:04] fabbione: hm, sup? [03:06] daniels: 3838 [03:06] the problem isn't c++ in wvstreams [03:06] it's openssl that broke [03:07] Kamion: it might be wise to kick both the wvstreams and openssl maintainers in Debian [03:07] Kamion: openssl hasn't been fixed in more than a month [03:07] but clearly.. it doesn't have a bug === mdz [~mdz@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] " was totally broken (it patched itself)" === zul [~chuck@zul.developer.gentoo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] pitti: gotta love ya :-) [03:09] fabbione: I didn't break it :-) [03:09] fabbione: how is the sparc stuff coming? [03:09] fabbione: the nice thing was that it patched the patch instead of patching the appropriate files [03:10] fabbione: ah, cool [03:11] zul: pretty good [03:11] stay tuned [03:11] pitti: ehehe === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang be right back, switching machines === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:45] Kamion: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130547 [03:48] seb128: ping [03:48] jdub, pong [03:49] seb128: checked vuntz's new patch? 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D 15:30 0:00 xscreensaver-demo [04:34] ... what's wrong with this picture? :o) [04:34] That reminds me [04:35] I need to make sure ktoshkeyd uses TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE [04:43] daniel@mataro:~/doom3 $ sudo ./doom3-linux-1.1.1286-demo.x86.run [04:43] Verifying archive integrity...Error in MD5 checksums: 0f31c705ff44388b7de1b0568c2b99a5 is different from 319c7d28bb6a3333c4b74eaa9bfd6bc9 [04:44] OH WHAT [04:44] Mithrandir: ping === Burgundavia_ [~rasputin@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:46] nice clean clothes? [04:50] elmo: could you please install the most recent kernel-wedge on davis and concordia? [04:51] mataro.u.c going down for one last reboot [04:52] <`anthony> la la la la la la la firewalls suck la la la I want the internet back la la la la la [04:53] `anthony: uh.. you have internet [04:53] daniels: pong [04:54] <`anthony> Treenaks: No. I have a butchered internet with a network device damaging my packets. [04:54] `anthony: well, blame thom [04:55] no, no [04:55] blame spain [04:55] it's like blame canada with more phlegm [04:55] I had a nice Telefonica ADSL connection at gate M3 on the Barcelona airport ;) [04:55] Intel/Telefonica/HP promo stand with insecure AP & uncapped DSL [04:58] daniels: hurry up even [04:59] Kamion: you might want to stick "deb " & "deb-src " on the front of the last two lines of /etc/apt/sources.list :p [04:59] meh what? [04:59] the universe ones are kinda missing then :p [04:59] Keybuk: d'oh! [05:00] fixed locally [05:00] need to shut down now until I can find my power adaptor or a UK socket [05:01] lamont_r: it's back [05:01] Mithrandir: ah. do you want to test lib32 stuff? :) [05:02] daniels: cool === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:04] seb128: gnome-panel attacked Mark's laptop [05:05] in which way ? [05:07] it's a bit b0rk atm [05:07] vuntz sent a new patch [05:07] trying it out atm [05:07] jdub, you are doing a new package too ? [05:07] BONG [05:08] no, just doing a quick hack to try [05:08] i tohught you were doing the package :) [05:08] it's installed on my box [05:08] just playing with it before uploading [05:08] ahr === jdub kills build === mdz [~mdz@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === farruinn [~nathan@syr-69-201-2-221.twcny.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:23] lamont_r: linux-s 2.6.9 for i386 is dead? [05:24] dunno [05:24] daniels: in a couple of hours, sure. [05:25] it's more than 8 hours that has been uploaded... [05:25] i wonder if it is stocked somewhere [05:26] checking [05:27] thanks === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:35] Mithrandir: cool, thanks === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:45] <`anthony> woo! look at all the upnp-aware devices on the conference network... === koke [~koke@fanelli.sindominio.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:01] lamont_r: did you find my i386 kernel? === Keybuk [~scott@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:03] fabbione: have you checked down the back of the sofa? [06:03] Kamion: ahahahah === Keybuk [~scott@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:06] Mithrandir: well, l-r-m -9 (0ubuntu8 for nvidia-glx) should do lib32 sanely [06:06] Mithrandir: just got uploaded now [06:06] Mithrandir: did you notice that ooo is ftbfs? [06:10] Mithrandir went swimming, he's back within a couple of hours [06:10] Simira: thanks.. we know he reads the scrollback ;) [06:10] yup [06:11] daniels: seeded [06:12] hey Simira [06:12] mdz: seeded dmsetup-udeb (I'd thought you were doing it, apparently you thought I was doing it) [06:12] hi Kinnison :) Still enjoying Mataro? [06:13] Oh yes [06:14] fabbione: found and uploaded. [06:14] Kamion: cheers === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] lamont_r: cheers.. what went wrong? === koke [~koke@fanelli.sindominio.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:16] window [06:16] ops, sorry [06:17] it was a cooperative effort [06:20] hmmmm [06:20] oh well... === koke [~koke@fanelli.sindominio.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === koke [~koke@fanelli.sindominio.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [~koke@fanelli.sindominio.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === koke [~koke@fanelli.sindominio.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:26] seb128: [06:27] checking for XineramaQueryExtension in -lXinerama_pic... no [06:27] checking for Xinerama support on XFree86... no [06:27] checking if is needed for xReply... no === ph_ [~ph@pD9E10EE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:27] this is building gtk+2.0_2.5.6-0ubuntu3 [06:27] perhaps we should change that to recognize the new shared xinerama lib? [06:28] Kamion: thanks [06:28] lamont_r, is doko over there? i have uploaded and updated the hardened debian repository [06:28] trulux: he's not physically present in the room where I am [06:29] fabbione, yeah === hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:29] elmo: python2.4 is expected to be pulled into main shortly, if it isn't already [06:29] lamont_r, i mean, is he online/available for talk? [06:30] doko, ping? === jamesh [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsilvers [~dsilvers@213.151.107.243] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jinty [~jinty@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:47] doko: ? [06:49] smurfix_; hmm, used the wron nick ... [06:50] doko, hey [06:50] doko, did you managed my patches? i have a new revision of the PIE ones [06:50] for all archs [06:50] the SSP one is still not working on upgrowing stack archs [06:51] trulux: what is a "stack arch"? [06:52] pitti: archs where your stack goes upward instead of downward [06:52] ah [06:52] trulux: I thought SSP would place canaries on both ends of a buffer? [06:52] trulux: at least that would make sense... [06:53] good god [06:53] CXXFLAGS="-g0 -DTT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER -pipe -O3 -march=pentium4 -fweb -funswitch-loops -funroll-all-loops -funit-at-a-time -fsched2-use-traces -fsched2-use-superblocks -fsched-stalled-insns=12 -frename-registers -fprefetch-loop-arrays -fpeel-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -fmerge-all-constants -finline-limit=32768 -finline-functions -ffunction-sections -ffast-math -fdata-sections -fbranch-target-load-optimize2 -fvisibility-inlines [06:54] pitti, i've talked to Etoh, it's developer, and dunno, he is putting effort in the coming 4.0 release [06:54] (for gcc4) [06:55] but i think people runnning hppa for example is not our first goal [06:55] as we don't have access to such hardware [06:55] other archs are already supported [06:55] trulux: cool, that means that there is a chance of supporting SSP in gcc 4? [06:56] sure [06:56] Etoh asked about some info on gcc3 to 4 changes, i've just talked to him about them and he said that it's now WPI === ^2046 [blueboy@149.Red-217-126-76.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:57] hopefully in some months we will have it, dunno === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-38-156.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === usual [~colin@alb-69-202-40-142.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:13] mdz: do you want to hand me the cloop stuff? [07:13] mdz: i need to do another upload pretty soon === martink [~martin@pD9EB2B17.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === farruinn [~nathan@syr-69-201-2-221.twcny.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === x4m [~max@205.157-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:28] azeem: you around? [07:30] yes [07:31] hello lamont_r [07:31] usual: hi [07:32] lamont_r: if you want to debug that problem with the buildd that didn't uplaod the kernel this is about the right tim [07:32] lamont_r: -7 is up [07:32] lamont_r: kthxbye [07:32] ;) [07:33] fabbione: already fixed and tested [07:33] cool [07:33] -7 fixes ppc? :-) [07:35] lamont_r: anything up in particular, or are you just happy that I'm around? =) [07:38] wondering if you know why the hurd patch changed the x86 detection to use i.86.* instead of i.86 [07:38] (util-linux) [07:39] not off-hand [07:39] is it in the package already or in some bug #? [07:40] doko: would you be able to sudo apt-get install dmidecode && sudo dmidecode | mail -s 'Foreign BIOS' ubuntu@paul.sladen.org ? === usual [~colin@alb-69-202-40-142.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:42] pitti, hey [07:42] hi trulux [07:42] pitti, i have uploaded the hardened toolchain packages to a srage-ready rep [07:42] trulux: cool [07:42] let me rebuild the Packages.gz and test the rep [07:42] trulux: I would really like to eventually see that in Debian and Ubuntu [07:43] trulux: however, there were some concerns about upstream adoption and cooperation [07:43] trulux: how well is SSP supported by IBM? [07:43] pitti: not very [07:43] hey tseng [07:43] hi [07:44] tseng, just as all the rest of research projects [07:44] mako: do you have the key of the room? [07:46] sladen: not on my laptop. I know this feature from some Siemens-Fujitsu desktops. I'll try to get access to one when I return. [07:47] groovy [07:47] pitti: there is limited response to bugs against SSP [07:48] tseng: that's why we are hesitant with using it [07:48] and then there is the issue of where to put the __guard symbols [07:48] tseng, libssp [07:48] yes maybe [07:48] tseng, it's the best way [07:49] do you have pappy's paper on why its in glibc? [07:51] ill try and dig it out of cvs. [07:51] tseng, yes [07:51] pappy and me are going to work together on some things [07:51] and we think libssp is the best way to handle the __guard symbols [07:52] ok [07:53] what was the name of that gcc4 thing that redhat is looking at [07:53] tseng, mudflap [07:53] it's not going to be the thing it was supposed to [07:54] that's the reason because gcc4 will get a ready ssp version [07:54] (this comes from Etoh) [07:54] doko, there? [07:55] pitti, it would be great to work together on some things, i mean Ubuntu and debhard devs, but we need some infrastructure === Keybuk [~scott@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] the problem is fun, we don't have a rsync server nor a good scm [07:55] trulux: and we need some people who actually know what they are doing :-) [07:55] pitti, what do you mean with that? [07:56] lamont_r: network says NO [07:56] trulux: I mean, if you want to help us bringing gcc-ssp support to Ubuntu, that'd be great === JanC [~JanC@D5764B74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:57] pitti, yeah ;-) [07:57] hardened debian exists for that [07:58] it's not fork of Debian like Adamantix <- i should register this as trademark :D [07:58] trulux: it might be easier for them if h-deb builds from hoary [07:58] tseng, i can try to chroot a hoary installation [07:58] i'm running warty [07:58] ya debbootstrap it [07:59] kay [07:59] grab that latest gcc source, and try to work in your patches [07:59] you are self hosting now? [07:59] what repos to use? same as warty ones but s/warty/hoary/ right? [07:59] tseng, yes [07:59] mcp is hosting the wiki and the website on a hardened server [07:59] yes @ s/w/h/g [08:00] mcp is in? [08:00] yes [08:00] interesting. [08:00] heh [08:01] yeah.. if you get your patches working against hoary gcc sources [08:01] and can provide a nice diff i think that'll put us well on the way [08:01] which gcc is using hoary? [08:01] ok [08:01] 3.3.5 [08:01] is default [08:01] jdub: firewall rules fixed [08:02] tseng, then great [08:02] good [08:03] trulux: im off for home, hopefully my dsl is fixed [08:03] trulux: otherwise ill bbiaf days [08:05] ok [08:11] azeem: I good and truly broke the hurd patch, I think... Probably some time ago... just switched util-linux over to using dpatch, and left what's left of the hurd patch as unapplied magic for some caring individual to fix and mail me... === lamont_r must head out for a while === hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ericf [~eric@tudra.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] tseng: i have some debs with selinux already im just working on sysvinit at the moment [08:21] zul, working with selinux stuff? [08:22] trulux: a bit.. [08:22] when i have time to [08:24] somebody needs to correct the imbalance on the current slashdot article about boot optimisation [08:24] http://www.planetarytramp.net/bootchart/bootchart-20041210-1934.png [08:25] zul, how is it going? [08:26] trulux: its ok..just trying to fix some patches but its going slowly [08:26] is it going to be desktop friendly? [08:26] i mean, no conflicts with gnome and so on [08:27] i hope so :) [08:27] thats the goal eventually [08:29] zul, great [08:30] i wa splanning to do that, do you know rjc? [08:30] nope [08:30] then you should get in contact with him, he has done a lot of work with selinux-debian [08:30] join #selinux [08:31] okie dokie [08:31] :) [08:32] ;D === maskie [~maskie@196-30-111-195.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [~spotter@dyn-160-39-242-122.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] anyone have an idea why my delete key acts as backspace in hoary's emacs? [08:53] works fine in vi for instance [09:03] no one home? [09:06] shaya: try #ubuntu [09:06] or use vim [09:07] shaya: somebody else mentioned it. Can you find the bug on the bugzilla and add your experience too [09:11] daniels: ack, I'll replace my graphics card soon. [09:11] fabbione: yes. === _rene__ [~rene@dsl-082-082-057-058.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elmo [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _rene__ is now known as _rene_ === catdog [~ed@83.216.156.19] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang is rebooting be back in a sec. === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === usual [~colin@alb-69-202-40-142.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] anyone cares about this thread? http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-November/msg00561.html === smurfix_ [~smurf@smurfix.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gro [~gro@u212-239-167-170.adsl.pi.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@d058152.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgedmin [~mg@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thully [~thully@pm476-09.dialip.mich.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === linux_mafia [~max@222-152-205-106.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] Hey - has anyone had trouble w/ mailing list digests [10:53] My messages change to an unreadable text color about 1/3 into the message [10:53] thully: duff HTML in one of the messages? [10:54] maybe - I think it is the "replay" color [10:54] replay=reply === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:linux_mafia] : Ubuntu development -- ARE WE NEARLY THERE YET? -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Want to help Hoary? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | Mataro server is mataro.ubuntu.com - local mirror, smtp smarthost, squid on 3128 [10:54] oops [10:54] jesus [10:54] Could something be done serverside to strip all such html from messages? [10:55] who would i ask/petition to include an option in the kernel images, at least in hoary anyway? === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === motaboy [~motaboy@host74-39.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rs [~remon@210-64-dsl.ipact.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thully [~thully@pm476-09.dialip.mich.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:11] I'm really starting to like Jazz === lamont_r [~lamont@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont_r grumbles at the wireless [11:27] doko: sup? === elmo [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spotter [~spotter@dyn-wireless-244-65.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel