[12:17] <GotD0t> nobody is to TOUCH the hoary menus, hehe, they work fine now... no more tweaking please ;-)
[12:17] <thom> they so don't work
[12:17] <GotD0t> ?
[12:17] <GotD0t> what do you mean they don't work?
[12:18] <thom> GotD0t: segfaults, bits of the panel going missing, etc etc
[12:18] <GotD0t> thom: i havent experienced any of that as of late
[12:18] <GotD0t> thom: so maybe they just dont like you ;-)
[12:19] <thom> no, they're all known bugs
[12:19] <GotD0t> well they can fix that without messing with the configuration of the actual menus
[12:20] <GotD0t> because over the last week there have been hundreds of configurations and most of them were unusable
[01:09] <jdub> dear whiprush, please send your great suggestions to the devel list instead of prattling on about them in your blog where i only find them because by coincidence i read planet ars, love jdub.
[01:39] <whiprush> jdub: heh, ok. I'm still getting used to it, I'll do it when I get home.
[01:40] <jdub> ;-)
[01:40] <jdub> whiprush: dude, remember that there is a whole distro you can fix here
[01:40] <whiprush> heh, k.
[01:41] <whiprush> Heading home from work, I'll formulate something in an hour or two, today was my first full day with them.
[01:41] <jdub> "oh yeah, we can actually FIX THAT!"
[01:41] <whiprush> bbl
[01:41] <jdub> later
[04:38] <GotD0t> anybody have any ideas on killing nautilus for good, i don't want it to come back
[04:46] <chrisa> rm /usr/bin/nautilus
[04:51] <GotD0t> no, i mean i want to be able to use it
[04:51] <GotD0t> but whenever i killall nautilus it comes back
[05:02] <Riddell> GotD0t: alt-F4
[09:04] <Treenaks> good morning mataro :)
[09:06] <fabbione> hey Treenaks 
[09:08] <ogra> good morining amsterdam :)
[09:08] <ogra> (...and mataro of course)
[09:09] <pitti> Hi ogra
[09:09] <pitti> Hi Treenaks, how's it going
[09:09] <fabbione> hye ogra
[09:10] <Treenaks> pitti: I feel it's going to be a slow day today
[09:11] <Treenaks> and I really need someone to poke jdub -- it's been a week since I asked him to create ubuntu-nl and it's still not done :)
[09:12] <jdub> Treenaks: preferred email address?
[09:13] <Treenaks> jdub: ubuntu-nl@lists.ubuntu.com?
[09:13] <Treenaks> jdub: or list admin?
[09:13] <Treenaks> jdub: martijn@foodfight.org
[09:14] <jdub> admin
[09:14] <Treenaks> second one then :)
[09:14] <jdub> Nederlandstalige Ubuntu-ondersteuning en -discussie
[09:15] <jdub> should there be a space/hyphen there?
[09:15] <Treenaks> jdub: uh, remove the - before discussie
[09:21] <sladen> mjg59: you around for discussing how to do system-dtection stuff?  (Hardware DB/dmi-decode things)
[09:25] <Treenaks> uh? nice quit msg
[09:33] <pitti> haggai: Hi!
[09:35] <sid77> I'm running hoary on a geforce powerbook, yesterday I dist-upgraded and I found my screen on 640x480 resolution. I solved the problem just adding 2 lines (vert and horiz frequencies) to xorg.conf, should this kind of info be added to rhe default xorg.conf or will this broke things up on other machine?
[09:37] <fabbione> sid77: it's a bug. please check the bugzilla and lart daniels ;)
[09:37] <sid77> ok :)
[09:39] <daniels> sid77: it's fixed in my local tree in hoary
[09:39] <daniels> er
[09:39] <daniels> in my local tree, *for* hoary
[09:39] <daniels> the nv driver sucks, news at 11
[09:40] <lamont_r> daniels: s/news/film/
[09:40] <Treenaks> lamont_r: no, that's only on pay-tv ;)
[09:43] <Kamion> *groan*
[09:44] <sid77> lol
[09:44] <sid77> so I shouldn't file a bug, am I right?
[09:49] <daniels> sid77: right
[09:49] <Treenaks> daniels: I have the same problem (640x480 only, unless I add hsync/vrefresh) with the trident driver
[09:50] <Treenaks> daniels: (1024x768 laptop: Toshiba Satellite something)
[09:51] <daniels> cool
[09:52] <Treenaks> daniels: I can file that as a bug (+ X log + xorg.conf) if you want
[09:52] <daniels> nah, it's alright thanks, i'll just add that to the special case
[09:53] <Treenaks> trident DOES detect the panel as a 1024x768 panel..
[09:53] <stvn> daniels: is it the same bug as mine?
[09:53] <daniels> stvn: i think so, yeah
[09:55] <stvn> hm, i thought i had hsync/vrefresh but will try later this week
[10:20] <fabbione> morning guys
[10:34] <fabbione>   +?????????+ Installing the Ubuntu base system +?????????+                     
[10:35] <fabbione> ^^^ hoary on sparc
[10:35] <Treenaks> fabbione: it works now?
[10:35] <Kamion> rock
[10:36] <fabbione> Treenaks: i am testing the real first install .. but theoretically yes
[10:36] <Treenaks> fabbione: leet
[10:36] <fabbione> Treenaks: yeah.. i expect a failure configuring X.org
[10:37] <fabbione> but that's not daniels fault
[10:37] <fabbione> not this time at least
[10:37] <fabbione> ;)
[10:37] <thom> ... yay dell hardware
[10:37] <Treenaks> fabbione: it's yours?
[10:37] <daniels> heh :)
[10:37] <fabbione> Treenaks: more or less... the box simply doesn't have a video card :P
[10:37] <daniels> you can't ddc probe a serial port
[10:38] <fabbione> so i can't expect X to autoconfigure properly
[10:38] <fabbione> daniels: exactly...
[10:38] <Treenaks> daniels: hey i2c is a serial protocol ;)
[10:40] <fabbione> hmmm  it failed somewhere installing base...
[10:42] <Kamion> fabbione: uh ... we haven't actually added sparc to debootstrap yet
[10:42] <Kamion> so that's not so surprising :)
[10:42] <fabbione> right
[10:42] <daniels> Mithrandir: ping
[10:42] <fabbione> Kamion: i think it's time to dual bitch elmo ;)
[10:43] <Kamion> hey, I don't care, I can make debootstrap work regardless of whether it's in the archive or not
[10:43] <Kamion> somebody just needs to tell me that the archive is sufficiently stable
[10:43] <daniels> thom: hey dude, the amd64 doesn't happen to have an nvidia card in it, does it?
[10:43] <fabbione> Kamion: it is stable..
[10:43] <daniels> thom: (mataro.u.c)
[10:43] <fabbione> Kamion: i am only keeping up with main right now
[10:44] <fabbione> Kamion: i have "only" 5 FTBFS and missing ooo
[10:44] <fabbione> Kamion: but that's more related to ubuntu-desktop task than anything else
[10:44] <fabbione> Kamion: ooo is missing because i forgot to remove it from the PAS
[10:44] <fabbione> but i will be build it shortly
[10:44] <thom> daniels: don't think so
[10:45] <daniels> thom: can you check? :)
[10:45] <thom> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE]  (rev 01)
[10:45] <daniels> ahr, shit
[10:46] <lamont_r> Kamion: it would be _WAY_COOL_ if debootstrap were enhanced to allow me to specify a sources.list :-)
[10:47] <fabbione> lamont_r: i fully agree.. the limitation to a single url is overkilling
[10:48] <fabbione> Kamion: please do in such a way that both ltrace and strace are removed from sparc
[10:48] <fabbione> Kamion: the latter is a temporary hack. the former doesn't exist for sparc
[10:50] <Mithrandir> daniels: pong
[10:54] <ross> jdub: ping?
[10:54] <Treenaks> welcome to #pingpong
[11:03] <fabbione> hey elmo
[11:03] <fabbione> i did fix that Release file problem btw.. thanks anyway
[11:04] <elmo> k
[11:11] <jdub_> ross: ping
[11:11] <jdub_> pong
[11:14] <fabbione> Kamion:
[11:14] <fabbione> Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/kernel-wedge/commands/gen-control line 36, <KVERS> line 2.
[11:14] <fabbione> Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/kernel-wedge/commands/gen-control line 161.
[11:14] <fabbione> did you notice a bunch of these errors building the kernel?
[11:14] <daniels> fabbione: afaict they're harmless; i hit them a lot too
[11:15] <fabbione> i usually hitted the first one
[11:15] <fabbione> the second one is the first time
[11:15] <fabbione> that's why i am asking
[11:29] <Kamion> fabbione: yeah, they're harmless though
[11:31] <fabbione> Kamion: good..
[11:32] <_rene_> doko: there?
[11:40] <Kamion> it would help if I cronned update-germinate, wouldn't it?
[11:41] <Kamion> fabbione: the latter's fixed upstream
[11:42] <elmo> ANACRON IS FREAKIN "SPECIAL"
[11:43] <daniels> nice
[11:43] <daniels> mataro.ubuntu.com is going down for a few minutes for amd64 l-r-m special love
[11:45] <fabbione> daniels: eh what?
[11:45] <daniels> nvidia joy
[11:45] <fabbione> daniels: and why do you need to use mataro.u.c ?
[11:45] <daniels> BECAUSE IT'S AN AMD64
[11:45] <daniels> (this is thom)
[11:46] <Treenaks> Hot NVidia Love!
[11:46] <daniels> and no-one in the distro team is stupid enough to have an nvidia card in their amd64s
[11:46] <fabbione> no really.. i mean.. it's -> NVIDIA COMMERICIAL BINARY UBER CRAP <-
[11:46] <Treenaks> 
[11:49] <jdub_> distro team people upstairs please
[11:51] <fabbione> jdub_: what is going on?
[11:53] <pasc> elmo_away: ?
[11:53] <fabbione> jdub_: ???
[11:56] <daniels> mataro.u.c back up
[11:57] <fabbione> Kamion: can i kill devfs from the kernel?
[12:03] <cenerentola> hi there, will ever ubuntu be ported on sparc?
[12:04] <thom> already done
[12:04] <Treenaks> 16:32  * fabbione attempts the first hoary installation on sparc
[12:05] <cenerentola> thx treenaks...
[12:05] <cenerentola> wow.
[12:05] <cenerentola> treenaks: 16:32, when
[12:05] <cenerentola> ?
[12:06] <Treenaks> cenerentola: 20 hours ago
[12:07] <cenerentola> here's my baby: http://www.naturetechws.com/Product-888P.htm
[12:08] <Treenaks> Yikes!
[12:08] <Treenaks> why did I read that as "Nature Worldwide Technology Crap." ?
[12:08] <ross> holy crap 3.45kg
[12:09] <Treenaks> (just like the Marriott hotel around the corner, which I first read as "Marillat")
[12:09] <cenerentola> and the Can Torrent around mataro'' centre
[12:10] <Treenaks> cenerentola: Can Torrent, yeah 8)
[12:10] <cenerentola> don't touch my baby please
[12:10] <thom> 3.45KG? HOLY FUCKING SHIT
[12:11] <daniels> OMGWTFONLY630FPS
[12:12] <martink> Sparc "PowerBook"?
[12:14] <fabbione> cenerentola: good luck... with that toy... most of the hw won't probably be supported by the kernel anyway
[12:14] <cenerentola> ahhh...
[12:14] <fabbione> Kamion: i figured why ftp still depends on libreadline5
[12:15] <fabbione> Kamion: both libreadline4 and 5-dev provides libreadline-dev
[12:15] <cenerentola> fabbione: never ever, or just never, or sometime in a remote future?
[12:15] <fabbione> and netkit-ftp build-dep libreadline-dev that at that point in time was libreadline5 for me
[12:16] <Kamion> fabbione: sparc done
[12:16] <fabbione> cenerentola: no idea.. just for a started pcmcia support isn't compiled on sparc
[12:16] <Kamion> fabbione: devfs err, hmm, moo
[12:16] <daniels> ross: it probably needs three-phase to charge, too
[12:16] <fabbione> Kamion: uh?
[12:16] <ross> haha
[12:16] <ross> daniels: to charge? there are batteries which can power that?
[12:17] <daniels> ross: THE SUN
[12:17] <thom> the disk is actually a fiber channel raid array you tow behind you on a cart
[12:17] <daniels> it probably has a 50m^2 solar panel which you need to attach
[12:17] <ross> rofl
[12:17] <Kamion> fabbione: since the installer doesn't use it, I guess so
[12:17] <fabbione> Kamion: ok.. i guess we can wait for that
[12:17] <Kamion> fabbione: netkit-ftp> yeah, that's the standard problem
[12:17] <Kamion> fabbione: wait for what? :)
[12:17] <fabbione> Kamion: to kill devfs
[12:17] <fabbione> there might be people using it
[12:18] <fabbione> Kamion: ok.. i am going to tight the build-dep to libreadline4-dev
[12:18] <Kamion> please
[12:23] <cenerentola> fabbione: as you have some free time,  could you please explain better what will happen with the sparc port,
[12:23] <cenerentola> ?
[12:24] <fabbione> Kamion: netkit-ftp is up
[12:24] <fabbione> cenerentola: right now we have a almost installable sparc port, but it will take sometime (a bunch of weeks) before the packages will enter the archive for real
[12:24] <fabbione> in anycase the port is unofficial
[12:24] <fabbione> and not supported
[12:25] <bob2> seb128: after resuming from suspend-to-disk, the battery monitor decides I have no battery
[12:25] <cenerentola> well, if we find someone to help you, will you accept them?
[12:25] <fabbione> also.. i am doing the port in my spare time.. so that means that it will get the loves i can give it to it
[12:26] <bob2> seb128: tho /prc/acpi knows I have one
[12:26] <fabbione> cenerentola: the problem is to find one
[12:26] <fabbione> cenerentola: but clearly yes.. help is welcome, even if at this point in time is still limited to fix FTBFS
[12:26] <seb128> bob2, bugzilla that please :)
[12:27] <cenerentola> ok. it's a deal ;).
[12:27] <cenerentola> fabbione: FTBS... oops
[12:29] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti
[12:31] <daniels> mataro.u.c is going down for a reboot (2.6.9), will be back shortly
[12:32] <fabbione> stop rebooting that nice toy :P
[12:33] <daniels> only needed to reboot it twice -- once for the new card, once for 2.6.9
[12:33] <daniels> after that, it should be fine
[12:34] <fabbione> until the nv1d14cr4p will crash it
[12:37] <daniels> thom: ?
[12:39] <thom> daniels: gimme a second
[01:00] <doko> _rene_: yes
[01:01] <sivang> hi all
[01:03] <mooch> food is waiting, for those of you who want to get some
[01:08] <sladen> "want" is an interesting point.  The desire to eat, vs. the desire to die.
[01:09] <daniels> EIGHT HUNDRED EFF PEE ESS
[01:09] <fabbione> ahaha
[01:10] <thom> it's mutant tomato, unmulched and seeking revenge
[01:10] <sladen> wasn't it daniels who said ''glxgears is not a benchmarking tool'' yesterday
[01:11] <ross> thom: not evil mutant tomato!
[01:13] <mooch> 700 efe pe ese here
[01:13] <mooch> rocks
[01:14] <daniels> sladen: laden with sarcasm
[01:14] <daniels> sladen: (my current 'benchmarking', not my original 'it's not a benchmark' remarks, because it ISN'T)
[01:15] <ross> daniels: but it's got a FPS counter
[01:15] <thom> fglrxgears is cooler
[01:15] <daniels> GRAH HEISENBUG
[01:16] <daniels> ross: you have no idea how tempting it is to remove that
[01:16] <ross> ha
[01:16] <thom> unless you have a special EVIL_LT_XORG_HACKER environment variable set?
[01:16] <_rene_> doko: trying to write someting up for OOo on solaris and I wonder whether you can tell gcc which ld to use except on compile time...
[01:17] <daniels> yeah
[01:17] <daniels> I_ACCEPT_GLXGEARS_IS_NOT_A_BENCHMARK_AND_I_WILL_NOT_POST_THE_RESULTS_OF_RUNNING_THIS_TO_A_FORUM_OR_IRC_CHANNEL=1 glxgears
[01:18] <lamont_r> daniels: localized?
[01:27] <Kinnison> Hi, anyone here got a toshiba laptop who is prepared to test a kernel module patch from me?
[01:27] <thom> don't trust the bad man! he's an evil evil person and his "patch" will take your laptop to the beach
[01:27] <Treenaks> Kinnison: I know someone
[01:28] <Kinnison> thom: sssssh
[01:28] <Treenaks> Kinnison: what kind of patch is it
[01:28] <jdub_> BEND OVER BEFORE THE ONE YOU LOVE
[01:29] <Kinnison> I need a tester whose toshiba_acpi module says their HCI is \_SB_.VALZ.GHCI
[01:29] <Treenaks> Kinnison: 1 moment
[01:29] <Kinnison> Treenaks: it's an acpi patch to punt the toshiba keys through the acpi event layer
[01:29] <Treenaks> ah
[01:29] <Treenaks> let me contact the guy
[01:30] <jdub_> ross: your mum.
[01:31] <Treenaks> Kinnison: no, this guy mostly has a broken ACPI table on his toshiba, and no \_SB_.VALZ.GHCI stuff
[01:31] <ross> ha
[01:31] <Treenaks> jdub_: you wish :)
[01:31] <Kinnison> Treenaks: oh well; thanks for asking
[01:31] <Kinnison> Treenaks: what model does he have?
[01:32] <Treenaks> uh satellite somethingorother 1GHz-from-before-the-Centrino-days
[01:32] <Kinnison> oh right
[01:32] <Treenaks> 6000! that could be it
[01:32] <Treenaks> yes.. looks like the Satellite Pro 6000
[01:34] <Kinnison> oh well. thanks
[01:35] <bob2> seb128: #4694
[01:37] <seb128> bob2, I've read it, thanks
[01:49] <daniels> (if printing's broken, come scream at me, because it's my fault)
[01:50] <fabbione> lamont_r: libgtk2-perl <- any idea why it fails on ia64?
[01:51] <fabbione> t/GtkComboBox................#     Failed test (t/GtkComboBox.t at line 63)
[01:51] <fabbione> i don't understand why this test should fail
[01:51] <Kamion> 64-bit crap probably
[01:52] <Kamion> I can look at it at some point given a box with the build-deps
[01:52] <fabbione> Kamion: it's a possibility.. but than.. shy did it build on amd64?
[01:53] <Kamion> #ifdef __x86_64__  /* non-broken code */ ;)
[01:53] <fabbione> Kamion: it's a perl script :P
[01:53] <fabbione> well no
[01:54] <fabbione> the test is in perl
[01:54] <Kamion> it's a set of bindings
[01:54] <fabbione> hmmm it builded on debian sparc
[01:56] <daniels> goddamnit, why is nvidia working now
[01:56] <fabbione> Kamion: possibly it's an API/ABI change in libgtk2.0
[01:57] <fabbione> Kamion: everyone that success in builging the package had version 2.4.x
[01:57] <fabbione> both ia64/sparc64 have 2.5.x
[01:57] <seb128> gtk is API/ABI compatible
[01:58] <ross> unless -DGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED is on of course
[01:58] <fabbione> ross: point
[01:59] <doko> _rene_: IIRC compile time only.
[01:59] <fabbione> tools/genmaps.pl:system 'gcc -DGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -Wall -o foo foo.c `pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags --libs`'
[01:59] <ross> bzt
[01:59] <ross> thats a bug
[01:59] <bob2> hm, suck, my sound driver is throwing out I/O errors
[02:00] <Kamion> elmo: $ dchroot -c hoary
[02:00] <Kamion> Executing shell in 'hoary' chroot.
[02:00] <Kamion> Unknown id: cjwatson
[02:00] <Treenaks> bob2: your /sound/ driver? that's scary
[02:00] <_rene_> doko: hmm, thanks
[02:04] <daniels> Kamion: any sanity tests I could sensibly run on nic-restricted-modules other than 'output of dpkg-deb -c looks right'?
[02:07] <elmo> Kamion: meh
[02:07] <elmo> Kamion: fixed
[02:08] <bob2> Treenaks: yeah, and unloading and reloading doesn't help
[02:08] <Treenaks> bob2: use less water :P
[02:08] <fabbione> Kamion: seb128 is working on the libgtk2-perl thingy
[02:08] <fabbione> it builded for a mistake in the first place ;)
[02:08] <seb128> ah ah
[02:09] <Kamion> fabbione: oh, ok
[02:10] <Kamion> daniels: where are you? I'll come and have a look
[02:10] <Kamion> 13:10 < CIA-8> tbm * r1999 utils/initrd-tools/ (debian/changelog mkinitrd):
[02:10] <Kamion> 13:10 < CIA-8> Add support for encrypted root filesystems using dm-crypt and cryptsetup.
[02:10] <thom> Kamion: d-i needs to run udevstart, otherwise you don't get hda on scott's laptop
[02:10] <Kamion> 13:10 < CIA-8> Patch provided by Wesley W. Terpstra, with modifications and testing by
[02:10] <Kamion> 13:10 < CIA-8> Loic Minier and me (Closes: #247054).
[02:10] <Kamion> ooh
[02:11] <Kamion> thom: d-i so does already run udevstart
[02:11] <thom> Kamion: and udevstart throws a slew of sed errors
[02:11] <Kamion> unless it's moved from /sbin
[02:11] <daniels> Kamion: currently in the hack room; it was bitching because modules.dep wasn't there, so i threw it in and am respinning now
[02:11] <Kamion> thom: specifically in d-i?
[02:26] <sivang> does anybody know why testing certficiate doesn't work? Is there anything I need to do besides importing the certificate into firefox?
[02:27] <daniels> has anyone got a good lib32 testcase for amd64 that uses GL?
[02:27] <lamont_r> fabbione: test failrues
[02:28] <fabbione> lamont_r: nm.. we already tracked down the problem
[02:30] <Kamion> daniels: glxgears!
[02:30] <lamont_r> fabbione: and fixed it???
[02:32] <fabbione> lamont_r: seb is on it
[02:32] <fabbione> it is prefectly reproducible (see the scroll back)
[02:33] <daniels> Kamion: it's native, sorry :P
[02:33] <Treenaks> daniels: doom 3
[02:35] <daniels> Treenaks: ... anything I could install on our router to test with
[02:37] <Treenaks> daniels: some lib32-compiled version of tuxracer?
[02:40] <Kamion> no wonder d-i/gtk wouldn't start up; libgtk-x11 dinnae work so well
[02:44] <daniels> Kamion: goddamnit, dude
[02:44] <daniels> Kamion: i almost tangoed my monitor in the launchpad meeting
[02:50] <elmo> I think we should s/tango/thom/ in memory of the Argentinian  incident
[02:50] <daniels> heh :)
[02:51] <daniels> 'i almost rentboyed my laptop'
[03:01] <fabbione> guys is there any c++ expert around that can help me a few minutes?
[03:02] <fabbione> argh never mind
[03:04] <daniels> fabbione: hm, sup?
[03:06] <fabbione> daniels: 3838
[03:06] <fabbione> the problem isn't c++ in wvstreams
[03:06] <fabbione> it's openssl that broke
[03:07] <fabbione> Kamion: it might be wise to kick both the wvstreams and openssl maintainers in Debian
[03:07] <fabbione> Kamion: openssl hasn't been fixed in more than a month
[03:07] <fabbione> but clearly.. it doesn't have a bug
[03:08] <fabbione> "        was totally broken (it patched itself)"
[03:08] <fabbione> pitti: gotta love ya :-)
[03:09] <pitti> fabbione: I didn't break it :-)
[03:09] <zul> fabbione: how is the sparc stuff coming?
[03:09] <pitti> fabbione: the nice thing was that it patched the patch instead of patching the appropriate files
[03:10] <daniels> fabbione: ah, cool
[03:11] <fabbione> zul: pretty good
[03:11] <fabbione> stay tuned
[03:11] <fabbione> pitti: ehehe
[03:45] <jdub> Kamion: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130547
[03:48] <jdub> seb128: ping
[03:48] <seb128> jdub, pong
[03:49] <jdub> seb128: checked vuntz's new patch?
[03:49] <seb128> talking with him on jabber right now
[03:49] <jdub> cool
[03:50] <pitti> haggai: here?
[04:34] <Keybuk> scott    26889  0.1  1.9  18956  9552 ?        D    15:30   0:00 xscreensaver-demo
[04:34] <Keybuk> ... what's wrong with this picture? :o)
[04:34] <Kinnison> That reminds me
[04:35] <Kinnison> I need to make sure ktoshkeyd uses TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE
[04:43] <daniels> daniel@mataro:~/doom3 $ sudo ./doom3-linux-1.1.1286-demo.x86.run
[04:43] <daniels> Verifying archive integrity...Error in MD5 checksums: 0f31c705ff44388b7de1b0568c2b99a5 is different from 319c7d28bb6a3333c4b74eaa9bfd6bc9
[04:44] <daniels> OH WHAT
[04:44] <daniels> Mithrandir: ping
[04:46] <Kinnison> nice clean clothes?
[04:50] <daniels> elmo: could you please install the most recent kernel-wedge on davis and concordia?
[04:51] <daniels> mataro.u.c going down for one last reboot
[04:52] <`anthony> la la la la la la la firewalls suck la la la I want the internet back la la la la la
[04:53] <Treenaks> `anthony: uh.. you have internet
[04:53] <Mithrandir> daniels: pong
[04:54] <`anthony> Treenaks: No. I have a butchered internet with a network device damaging my packets.
[04:54] <Treenaks> `anthony: well, blame thom
[04:55] <thom> no, no
[04:55] <thom> blame spain
[04:55] <thom> it's like blame canada with more phlegm
[04:55] <Treenaks> I had a nice Telefonica ADSL connection at gate M3 on the Barcelona airport ;)
[04:55] <Treenaks> Intel/Telefonica/HP promo stand with insecure AP & uncapped DSL
[04:58] <lamont_r> daniels: hurry up even
[04:59] <Keybuk> Kamion: you might want to stick "deb " & "deb-src " on the front of the last two lines of /etc/apt/sources.list :p
[04:59] <Kamion> meh what?
[04:59] <Keybuk> the universe ones are kinda missing then :p
[04:59] <Kamion> Keybuk: d'oh!
[05:00] <Kamion> fixed locally
[05:00] <Kamion> need to shut down now until I can find my power adaptor or a UK socket
[05:01] <daniels> lamont_r: it's back
[05:01] <daniels> Mithrandir: ah.  do you want to test lib32 stuff? :)
[05:02] <lamont_r> daniels: cool
[05:04] <Keybuk> seb128: gnome-panel attacked Mark's laptop
[05:05] <seb128> in which way ?
[05:07] <jdub> it's a bit b0rk atm
[05:07] <jdub> vuntz sent a new patch
[05:07] <jdub> trying it out atm
[05:07] <seb128> jdub, you are doing a new package too ? 
[05:07] <seb128> BONG
[05:08] <jdub> no, just doing a quick hack to try
[05:08] <jdub> i tohught you were doing the package :)
[05:08] <seb128> it's installed on my box
[05:08] <seb128> just playing with it before uploading
[05:08] <jdub> ahr
[05:23] <fabbione> lamont_r: linux-s 2.6.9 for i386 is dead?
[05:24] <lamont_r> dunno
[05:24] <Mithrandir> daniels: in a couple of hours, sure.
[05:25] <fabbione> it's more than 8 hours that has been uploaded...
[05:25] <fabbione> i wonder if it is stocked somewhere
[05:26] <lamont_r> checking
[05:27] <fabbione> thanks
[05:35] <daniels> Mithrandir: cool, thanks
[05:45] <`anthony> woo! look at all the upnp-aware devices on the conference network...
[06:01] <fabbione> lamont_r: did you find my i386 kernel?
[06:03] <Kamion> fabbione: have you checked down the back of the sofa?
[06:03] <fabbione> Kamion: ahahahah
[06:06] <daniels> Mithrandir: well, l-r-m -9 (0ubuntu8 for nvidia-glx) should do lib32 sanely
[06:06] <daniels> Mithrandir: just got uploaded now
[06:06] <fabbione> Mithrandir: did you notice that ooo is ftbfs?
[06:10] <Simira> Mithrandir went swimming, he's back within a couple of hours
[06:10] <fabbione> Simira: thanks.. we know he reads the scrollback ;)
[06:10] <Simira> yup
[06:11] <Kamion> daniels: seeded
[06:12] <Kinnison> hey Simira 
[06:12] <Kamion> mdz: seeded dmsetup-udeb (I'd thought you were doing it, apparently you thought I was doing it)
[06:12] <Simira> hi Kinnison :) Still enjoying Mataro?
[06:13] <Kinnison> Oh yes
[06:14] <lamont_r> fabbione: found and uploaded.
[06:14] <daniels> Kamion: cheers
[06:15] <fabbione> lamont_r: cheers.. what went wrong?
[06:16] <koke> window
[06:16] <koke> ops, sorry
[06:17] <lamont_r> it was a cooperative effort
[06:20] <fabbione> hmmmm
[06:20] <fabbione> oh well...
[06:26] <fabbione> seb128:
[06:27] <fabbione> checking for XineramaQueryExtension in -lXinerama_pic... no
[06:27] <fabbione> checking for Xinerama support on XFree86... no
[06:27] <fabbione> checking if <X11/extensions/XIproto.h> is needed for xReply... no
[06:27] <fabbione> this is building gtk+2.0_2.5.6-0ubuntu3
[06:27] <fabbione> perhaps we should change that to recognize the new shared xinerama lib?
[06:28] <mdz> Kamion: thanks
[06:28] <trulux> lamont_r, is doko over there? i have uploaded and updated the hardened debian repository
[06:28] <lamont_r> trulux: he's not physically present in the room where I am
[06:29] <seb128> fabbione, yeah
[06:29] <mdz> elmo: python2.4 is expected to be pulled into main shortly, if it isn't already
[06:29] <trulux> lamont_r, i mean, is he online/available for talk?
[06:30] <trulux> doko, ping?
[06:47] <smurfix_> doko: ?
[06:49] <doko> smurfix_; hmm, used the wron nick ...
[06:50] <trulux> doko, hey
[06:50] <trulux> doko, did you managed my patches? i have a new revision of the PIE ones
[06:50] <trulux> for all archs
[06:50] <trulux> the SSP one is still not working on upgrowing stack archs
[06:51] <pitti> trulux: what is a "stack arch"?
[06:52] <sjoerd> pitti: archs where your stack goes upward instead of downward 
[06:52] <pitti> ah
[06:52] <pitti> trulux: I thought SSP would place canaries on both ends of a buffer?
[06:52] <pitti> trulux: at least that would make sense...
[06:53] <daniels> good god
[06:53] <daniels> CXXFLAGS="-g0 -DTT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER -pipe -O3 -march=pentium4 -fweb -funswitch-loops -funroll-all-loops -funit-at-a-time -fsched2-use-traces -fsched2-use-superblocks -fsched-stalled-insns=12 -frename-registers -fprefetch-loop-arrays -fpeel-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -fmerge-all-constants -finline-limit=32768 -finline-functions -ffunction-sections -ffast-math -fdata-sections -fbranch-target-load-optimize2 -fvisibility-inlines
[06:54] <trulux> pitti, i've talked to Etoh, it's developer, and dunno, he is putting effort in the coming 4.0 release
[06:54] <trulux> (for gcc4)
[06:55] <trulux> but i think people runnning hppa for example is not our first goal
[06:55] <trulux> as we don't have access to such hardware
[06:55] <trulux> other archs are already supported
[06:55] <pitti> trulux: cool, that means that there is a chance of supporting SSP in gcc 4?
[06:56] <trulux> sure
[06:56] <trulux> Etoh asked about some info on gcc3 to 4 changes, i've just talked to him about them and he said that it's now WPI
[06:57] <trulux> hopefully in some months we will have it, dunno
[07:13] <fabbione> mdz: do you want to hand me the cloop stuff?
[07:13] <fabbione> mdz: i need to do another upload pretty soon
[07:28] <lamont_r> azeem: you around?
[07:30] <azeem> yes
[07:31] <usual> hello lamont_r 
[07:31] <lamont_r> usual: hi
[07:32] <fabbione> lamont_r: if you want to debug that problem with the buildd that didn't uplaod the kernel this is about the right tim
[07:32] <fabbione> lamont_r: -7 is up
[07:32] <fabbione> lamont_r: kthxbye
[07:32] <fabbione> ;)
[07:33] <lamont_r> fabbione: already fixed and tested
[07:33] <fabbione> cool
[07:33] <lamont_r> -7 fixes ppc? :-)
[07:35] <azeem> lamont_r: anything up in particular, or are you just happy that I'm around? =)
[07:38] <lamont_r> wondering if you know why the hurd patch changed the x86 detection to use i.86.* instead of i.86
[07:38] <lamont_r> (util-linux)
[07:39] <azeem> not off-hand
[07:39] <azeem> is it in the package already or in some bug #?
[07:40] <sladen> doko: would you be able to   sudo apt-get install dmidecode && sudo dmidecode | mail -s 'Foreign BIOS' ubuntu@paul.sladen.org ?
[07:42] <trulux> pitti, hey
[07:42] <pitti> hi trulux 
[07:42] <trulux> pitti, i have uploaded the hardened toolchain packages to a srage-ready rep
[07:42] <pitti> trulux: cool
[07:42] <trulux> let me rebuild the Packages.gz and test the rep
[07:42] <pitti> trulux: I would really like to eventually see that in Debian and Ubuntu
[07:43] <pitti> trulux: however, there were some concerns about upstream adoption and cooperation
[07:43] <pitti> trulux: how well is SSP supported by IBM?
[07:43] <tseng> pitti: not very
[07:43] <trulux> hey tseng
[07:43] <tseng> hi
[07:44] <trulux> tseng, just as all the rest of research projects
[07:44] <fabbione> mako: do you have the key of the room?
[07:46] <doko> sladen: not on my laptop. I know this feature from some Siemens-Fujitsu desktops. I'll try to get access to one when I return.
[07:47] <sladen> groovy
[07:47] <tseng> pitti: there is limited response to bugs against SSP
[07:48] <pitti> tseng: that's why we are hesitant with using it
[07:48] <tseng> and then there is the issue of where to put the __guard symbols
[07:48] <trulux> tseng, libssp
[07:48] <tseng> yes maybe
[07:48] <trulux> tseng, it's the best way
[07:49] <tseng> do you have pappy's paper on why its in glibc?
[07:51] <tseng> ill try and dig it out of cvs.
[07:51] <trulux> tseng, yes
[07:51] <trulux> pappy and me are going to work together on some things
[07:51] <trulux> and we think libssp is the best way to handle the __guard symbols
[07:52] <tseng> ok
[07:53] <tseng> what was the name of that gcc4 thing that redhat is looking at
[07:53] <trulux> tseng, mudflap
[07:53] <trulux> it's not going to be the thing it was supposed to
[07:54] <trulux> that's the reason because gcc4 will get a ready ssp version
[07:54] <trulux> (this comes from Etoh)
[07:54] <trulux> doko, there?
[07:55] <trulux> pitti, it would be great to work together on some things, i mean Ubuntu and debhard devs, but we need some infrastructure
[07:55] <trulux> the problem is fun, we don't have a rsync server nor a good scm
[07:55] <pitti> trulux: and we need some people who actually know what they are doing :-)
[07:55] <trulux> pitti, what do you mean with that?
[07:56] <jdub> lamont_r: network says NO
[07:56] <pitti> trulux: I mean, if you want to help us bringing gcc-ssp support to Ubuntu, that'd be great
[07:57] <trulux> pitti, yeah ;-)
[07:57] <trulux> hardened debian exists for that
[07:58] <trulux> it's not fork of Debian like Adamantix <- i should register this as trademark :D
[07:58] <tseng> trulux: it might be easier for them if h-deb builds from hoary
[07:58] <trulux> tseng, i can try to chroot a hoary installation
[07:58] <trulux> i'm running warty
[07:58] <tseng> ya debbootstrap it
[07:59] <trulux> kay
[07:59] <tseng> grab that latest gcc source, and try to work in your patches
[07:59] <tseng> you are self hosting now?
[07:59] <trulux> what repos to use? same as warty ones but s/warty/hoary/ right?
[07:59] <trulux> tseng, yes
[07:59] <trulux> mcp is hosting the wiki and the website on a hardened server
[07:59] <tseng> yes @ s/w/h/g
[08:00] <tseng> mcp is in?
[08:00] <trulux> yes
[08:00] <tseng> interesting.
[08:00] <trulux> heh
[08:01] <tseng> yeah.. if you get your patches working against hoary gcc sources
[08:01] <tseng> and can provide a nice diff i think that'll put us well on the way
[08:01] <trulux> which gcc is using hoary?
[08:01] <trulux> ok
[08:01] <tseng> 3.3.5
[08:01] <tseng> is default
[08:01] <lamont_r> jdub: firewall rules fixed
[08:02] <trulux> tseng, then great
[08:02] <tseng> good
[08:03] <tseng> trulux: im off for home, hopefully my dsl is fixed
[08:03] <tseng> trulux: otherwise ill bbiaf days
[08:05] <trulux> ok
[08:11] <lamont_r> azeem: I good and truly broke the hurd patch, I think...  Probably some time ago...  just switched util-linux over to using dpatch, and left what's left of the hurd patch as unapplied magic for some caring individual to fix and mail me...
[08:16] <zul> tseng: i have some debs with selinux already im just working on sysvinit at the moment
[08:21] <trulux> zul, working with selinux stuff?
[08:22] <zul> trulux: a bit..
[08:22] <zul> when i have time to
[08:24] <sladen> somebody needs to correct the imbalance on the current slashdot article about boot optimisation
[08:24] <sladen> http://www.planetarytramp.net/bootchart/bootchart-20041210-1934.png
[08:25] <trulux> zul, how is it going?
[08:26] <zul> trulux: its ok..just trying to fix some patches but its going slowly
[08:26] <trulux> is it going to be desktop friendly?
[08:26] <trulux> i mean, no conflicts with gnome and so on
[08:27] <zul> i hope so :)
[08:27] <zul> thats the goal eventually
[08:29] <trulux> zul, great
[08:30] <trulux> i wa splanning to do that, do you know rjc?
[08:30] <zul> nope
[08:30] <trulux> then you should get in contact with him, he has done a lot of work with selinux-debian
[08:30] <trulux> join #selinux
[08:31] <zul> okie dokie
[08:31] <zul> :)
[08:32] <trulux> ;D
[08:52] <shaya> anyone have an idea why my delete key acts as backspace in hoary's emacs?
[08:53] <shaya> works fine in vi for instance
[09:03] <shaya> no one home?
[09:06] <azeem> shaya: try #ubuntu
[09:06] <zul> or use vim
[09:07] <sladen> shaya: somebody else mentioned it.  Can you find the bug on the bugzilla and add your experience too
[09:11] <Mithrandir> daniels: ack, I'll replace my graphics card soon.
[09:11] <Mithrandir> fabbione: yes.
[10:33] <stratus> anyone cares about this thread? http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-November/msg00561.html
[10:52] <thully> Hey - has anyone had trouble w/ mailing list digests
[10:53] <thully> My messages change to an unreadable text color about 1/3 into the message
[10:53] <sladen> thully: duff HTML in one of the messages?
[10:54] <thully> maybe - I think it is the "replay" color
[10:54] <thully> replay=reply
[10:54] <linux_mafia> oops
[10:54] <linux_mafia> jesus
[10:54] <thully> Could something be done serverside to strip all such html from messages?
[10:55] <linux_mafia> who would i ask/petition to include an option in the kernel images, at least in hoary anyway?
[11:11] <usual> I'm really starting to like Jazz
[11:27] <lamont_r> doko: sup?