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| Burgundavia_ | salut all | 08:59 |
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| Burgundavia_ | hey lu? | 09:27 |
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| lulu | morning Corey! | 09:28 |
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| === sid77 hi | ||
| Burgundavia_ | morning | 09:31 |
| Burgundavia_ | I am in 233 correct? | 09:31 |
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| Kinnison | Morning | 09:53 |
| Burgundavia_ | morning | 09:56 |
| === Kinnison 's eyes bleed | ||
| Burgundavia_ | huh?? | 09:56 |
| Kinnison | internals of baz | 09:56 |
| Burgundavia_ | ah | 09:56 |
| Kinnison | We're breaking the five-metre rule you know | 09:56 |
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| Burgundavia_ | now we are not | 10:10 |
| Kinnison | Indeed | 10:10 |
| Kinnison | Do I really smell that much? :-( | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia_ | nah, but the conversation is better up here | 10:11 |
| Kinnison | So kind | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia_ | as always | 10:12 |
| === Kinnison is beginning to doubt it :-) | ||
| Burgundavia_ | what??? | 10:16 |
| Kinnison | That you're always kind :-) | 10:22 |
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| Kinnison | ra ra Burgundavia_ | 10:37 |
| Burgundavia_ | ya, im back | 10:39 |
| Burgundavia_ | bloody wireless | 10:39 |
| Kinnison | it's that room. I only get reliable signal by the door | 10:41 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: if you're prepared to toke from *my* baz crack pipe I have a fix for the .listing bug | 10:58 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: otherwise you should wait for lifeless to review it | 10:58 |
| Burgundavia_ | ah, whatever | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia_ | lulu | 11:29 |
| lulu | yes? room check? | 11:33 |
| lulu | Burgundavia_: you are sharing with Marius Gedminas (Chris Halls was his room mate) | 11:36 |
| Burgundavia_ | right | 11:36 |
| lulu | . | 11:42 |
| Burgundavia_ | thanks | 12:04 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: did you sort everything out with respect to that charge? | 12:43 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: also; baz crack-of-the-minute has my patch in it to make it work :-) | 12:43 |
| Burgundavia_ | no, waiting to talk to the staffer who was on at the time | 12:46 |
| Burgundavia_ | I will also get crack of the day | 12:46 |
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| sivang | hi everybody! | 01:00 |
| sivang | how is Mataro this morning? | 01:00 |
| Kinnison | hello dr sivan | 01:00 |
| sivang | hey Kinnison, what's up? :) | 01:00 |
| Kinnison | not much | 01:00 |
| sivang | how is the kernel module working? | 01:00 |
| Kinnison | Reasonably | 01:01 |
| sivang | heh :) | 01:01 |
| Kinnison | I need to find someone with a VALZ laptop for me to test with | 01:01 |
| sivang | when you have time, I | 01:01 |
| sivang | 'd like us to try working the dell ones as well , for inspiron 8200 | 01:01 |
| === Kinnison grins | ||
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| lifeless | Burgundavia_: bazaar now will do the right thing for your ftp hosted archive. | 01:02 |
| Burgundavia_ | sounds good | 01:03 |
| sivang | lifeless : is there a canonical url for using bazzar already? I want to see how reasonable is it for storing documents etc. | 01:04 |
| Kinnison | lifeless: the canonical bazaar address is bazaar.canonical.com | 01:04 |
| sivang | Kinnison : can I already put doc stuff there? :) | 01:05 |
| Kinnison | erm s/lifeless/sivang/ | 01:05 |
| Kinnison | I'm so awake right now | 01:05 |
| sivang | ah ok :) | 01:06 |
| sivang | heheh | 01:06 |
| Kinnison | sivang: It's the url to bazaar :-) | 01:06 |
| Kinnison | sivang: You make an archive on your laptop :-) | 01:06 |
| sivang | ah, distributed revision management . COOOL | 01:06 |
| sivang | :) | 01:06 |
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| Burgundavia_ | sivang, you still there? | 02:12 |
| sivang | yes, just a sec. | 02:13 |
| sivang | :) | 02:13 |
| Burgundavia_ | you got bazaar yet? | 02:13 |
| sivang | Burgundavia_ : working on it, do you know if there any place in canonical where we can have the bazzar archive hosted, if we want to use it eventually? | 02:21 |
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| Burgundavia_ | sivang, that is being worked on,currently this is just a temp archive, so that we can work on the quickguide stuf | 02:23 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, hi! so we have an arch repo now? | 02:24 |
| sivang | Burgundavia_ : how can I access it? | 02:24 |
| Burgundavia_ | yah, just temp hosted with Kinnison | 02:25 |
| sivang | ah over his machines? | 02:25 |
| sivang | Kinnison : you're the doc team patron aren't you ? ;-) | 02:25 |
| Burgundavia_ | at his machine, until we get an official one | 02:26 |
| Burgundavia_ | ftp://corey:burgerbar@userftp.pepperfish.net/corey.burger@gmail.com--2004 | 02:26 |
| Burgundavia_ | that is the baz url | 02:27 |
| Burgundavia_ | have you set up baz? | 02:27 |
| sivang | curretnly trying to decided if I'm better off to use the deb pacakge or compile from source.. | 02:28 |
| sivang | also looking at some arch docs | 02:28 |
| Burgundavia_ | grab the crack of the day from that repo | 02:28 |
| Burgundavia_ | is going to be updated daily or more | 02:29 |
| sivang | yeah, so we've heared on the morning sessions :) | 02:29 |
| Burgundavia_ | so I would go with the debs, they are more up to date | 02:30 |
| Burgundavia_ | On another note, did you guys see my post to list about the roles of the quickguide and userguide? | 02:30 |
| Burgundavia_ | sivang, heard | 02:35 |
| sivang | I think I've seen it already, still havn't had a chance to read it thoroughly.. | 02:36 |
| Burgundavia_ | ya, I think I am leaning towards the task-based quickguide | 02:36 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, we still need access to all the files first and then discuss what we will do in the end. This needs to be decided together | 02:37 |
| Burgundavia_ | true | 02:37 |
| sivang | Burgundavia_ : any decision we run through the doc team needs to be approved first, either by reaching consensus on the mailing list, or in a meeting. | 02:37 |
| Burgundavia_ | I realize that, I was just stating my opinion | 02:38 |
| sivang | ah ok :) | 02:38 |
| Burgundavia_ | I have done 2 different apps in the current quickguide (calc and file-roller) | 02:39 |
| Burgundavia_ | have you both set up baz, or do you need my help with that? | 02:39 |
| sivang | Burgundavia_ : I'll sure bug you if I stumble upon any trouble :) | 02:40 |
| Burgundavia_ | ok | 02:40 |
| === sid77 mimes a "spaghetti western" dusty ball crossing the channel | ||
| sid77 | sorry, wrong comamnd | 03:03 |
| ChrisH | sid77: Not really. That was the first time you actually used the "/me" command correctly :) | 03:04 |
| sid77 | ChrisH, I /ame hi on login just because I'm on 2 server ;) | 03:05 |
| ChrisH | sid77: Just that it sounds lame because /me indicates in action. "/me waves to everybody" or "/me is back" would be valid. :) | 03:06 |
| sid77 | well, think I should checkout the correct use of /allchan then :) | 03:06 |
| ChrisH | Yo... wallops info: sid77 is back! ;) | 03:06 |
| sid77 | ChrisH, uh? | 03:06 |
| sid77 | mmmh | 03:07 |
| sid77 | Should I use "/ame waves to everybody (so CrisH is happy)" ? | 03:08 |
| sid77 | gh | 03:08 |
| sid77 | just kidding | 03:08 |
| ChrisH | What is "/ame"? I just know "/me" | 03:12 |
| sid77 | ChrisH, it is an xchat command (or alias), send a /me on every channel you are in (and on every server, that's why I use it) | 03:13 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: noooooooooooo! | 03:13 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: Your URL is http://arch.digital-scurf.org/guests/corey.burger@gmail.com--2004 | 03:14 |
| === Kinnison spanks Burgundavia_ *HARD* | ||
| Burgundavia_ | hey | 03:25 |
| Burgundavia_ | my test case for the bug report is working, dammit | 03:25 |
| Kinnison | ? | 03:25 |
| Burgundavia_ | well, I tried to build a test case for the image display probelm iwht yelp, but the test images i have seem to work | 03:27 |
| Kinnison | Hehe | 03:27 |
| sivang | Burgundavia_, a yelp bug? | 03:28 |
| Burgundavia_ | display to gimp-screenshots in SVG in docbook in yelp, they do not display correctly | 03:30 |
| Burgundavia_ | s/to/of' | 03:30 |
| === sivang be right back, switching machines | ||
| Burgundavia_ | back soon | 03:50 |
| Burgundavia_ | got to go pick up my laundry | 03:50 |
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| Burgundavia_ | hello again | 04:53 |
| Kinnison | nice clean clothes? | 04:54 |
| enrico | Hello everyone. Could someone give me the status of the svn-baz affair? | 05:04 |
| enrico | I remember the original idea was to have a baz scrapbook and work on svn until everyone was happy with baz, and then schedule a svn->baz migration | 05:05 |
| enrico | Something went wrong? | 05:05 |
| Kinnison | Dunno. I've got Burgundavia_ trying to work with baz | 05:05 |
| enrico | s/scrapbook/sandbox/ | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia_ | hey | 05:11 |
| Burgundavia_ | yes, nice clean clothes, but at 13 euros, a little pricey | 05:11 |
| Burgundavia_ | would baz get url not just grab the files | 05:13 |
| Burgundavia_ | With the svg is docbook, I think the docbook is going to meet all requirements | 05:14 |
| plovs | he corey can you send me a copy of what you wrote so far? | 05:14 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, ? | 05:16 |
| Kinnison | baz register-archive http://.... | 05:18 |
| Kinnison | baz get archive/branch | 05:18 |
| Kinnison | unfortunately the url-based get stuff is still pending | 05:18 |
| enrico | Kinnison: please expand [....] :) | 05:18 |
| Kinnison | enrico: in this instance; http://arch.digital-scurf.org/guests/corey.burger@gmail.com--2004 | 05:18 |
| plovs | Kinnison, and baz get .... what? | 05:20 |
| enrico | plovs: please note that that command is what you can use for downloading Burgundavia_'s work, but you don't need to work on baz :) | 05:20 |
| === enrico puts Kinnison's line together: | ||
| enrico | baz register-archive http://arch.digital-scurf.org/guests/corey.burger@gmail.com--2004 | 05:20 |
| enrico | baz get archive/branch | 05:20 |
| Kinnison | then baz get corey.burger@gmail.com--2004/ubuntu-doc--quickfind-corey--0 | 05:20 |
| enrico | oh, sorry, archive/branch needed to be expanded :( | 05:20 |
| Kinnison | you might need to wget http://arch.digital-scurf.org/guests/corey.burger@gmail.com.pub if you've not got his gpg key, and import it | 05:21 |
| plovs | No such package (ubuntu-doc--quickfind-corey) | 05:21 |
| Kinnison | oh? | 05:21 |
| === Kinnison abrowses | ||
| enrico | Argh... it's getting quite complicated just to download one's work... | 05:21 |
| enrico | Is it possible for Burgundavia_ | 05:22 |
| Kinnison | sorry; quickguide-corey | 05:22 |
| enrico | Is it possible for Burgundavia_'s work to end up in subversion in a way or another? | 05:22 |
| plovs | ERROR 404: Not found. | 05:22 |
| === Kinnison had a braino | ||
| Burgundavia_ | I just chatted with lulu regarding the set up of baz on the official servers | 05:22 |
| === plovs frowns at baz | ||
| Kinnison | baz has a bit of a learning curve^Wbrick-wall-with-shards-of-glass but once you're there it's easy | 05:23 |
| enrico | Kinnison: wasn't baz supposed to be the one with the almost-no-learning-curve feature? | 05:23 |
| === plovs looks for plasters | ||
| enrico | Burgundavia_: what came out of the chat? | 05:23 |
| plovs | enrico, that is for geniuses only | 05:23 |
| Burgundavia_ | baz is a work in progress (rather seriously)P | 05:24 |
| enrico | plovs: in theory, that was arch :) | 05:25 |
| enrico | Ok, let's cool down. I'm trying to make a recap in the list of the current situation, so that everyone knows how to resume their work | 05:25 |
| Burgundavia_ | Kinnison, is the baz just ro for everyone that me? | 05:25 |
| enrico | I'll try to do it here first | 05:25 |
| plovs | enrico, right | 05:26 |
| enrico | at the docteam BOF, we agreed that we would setup a baz sandbox and then keep working on svn until we all would like baz a lot. Then, properly schedule a svn->baz migration | 05:26 |
| Burgundavia_ | ya | 05:27 |
| enrico | I didn't get any more news, so I imagine the situation is still the same | 05:27 |
| Burgundavia_ | but that doesn't really solve our imm. prob of getting my daily crack up to somewhere people can rip it apart | 05:27 |
| enrico | I haven't seen any news of the sandbox in the list either, so I guess it still isn't there and Burgundavia_ is just playing with baz because it's fun | 05:27 |
| Burgundavia_ | I am playing with baz because I no history with any versioning system, thus have no bad habits and dislikes | 05:27 |
| enrico | Kinnison: can't baz commit to subversion? I recall reading something like arch could do it | 05:27 |
| Kinnison | enrico: No | 05:28 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: Indeed | 05:28 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: Everyone can branch off your stuff in their own archives | 05:28 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: and then you can merge patches between yourselves | 05:28 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: that's the way distributed development works | 05:29 |
| enrico | We could ask Burgundavia_ to switch to svn for the sake of simplicity of working with the rest of the people, but I don't want to throw away the hard climbing Burgundavia_ has already made on baz's learning curve :) | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia_ | I don't mind, but would need commit access to the svn repo | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia_ | or a repo | 05:30 |
| enrico | Oh, that should be easy | 05:30 |
| plovs | enrico, well, not that simple as john is not available atm | 05:31 |
| Kinnison | This is why baz is good. Noone needs anyone else's permission to get on with branching and working on stuff | 05:31 |
| Burgundavia_ | ya, that is what I mean | 05:32 |
| plovs | Kinnison, if you can get it to work, we'll buy you a beer | 05:32 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, can you just send me a tgz? | 05:33 |
| Burgundavia_ | sure | 05:33 |
| Kinnison | plovs: It's already working for Burgundavia_ ... what's missing is a central place for you lot to mirror archives to and some documentation to make it easy for you to know what commands you need to do what | 05:33 |
| enrico | oh, tgz are cute | 05:33 |
| Burgundavia_ | just a sec | 05:33 |
| plovs | Kinnison, that's half a beer | 05:33 |
| Kinnison | I've been asked to say "Please just use SVN for now" | 05:34 |
| Kinnison | So as soon as Burgundavia_ can be set up with svn commit access he can move his stuff into svn | 05:34 |
| enrico | cool! | 05:34 |
| enrico | In the meantime, until John shows up again, we can see how to get Burgundavia_'s work | 05:35 |
| plovs | all fine with me, i just want to work on this guide! | 05:35 |
| === enrico hacks on a script | ||
| Burgundavia_ | ya | 05:35 |
| Burgundavia_ | lets use svn until after the conf, when I will write up some stuff about how to use baz | 05:35 |
| enrico | Burgundavia_: cool. But let's bring out baz only after a week there's not been other chaos and everyone is working in harmony :) | 05:37 |
| Kinnison | baz *will* cause chaos and confusion until you all get re-used to it. It is a very different working model. | 05:38 |
| Burgundavia_ | I was just thinking of righting the docs, not the actual transition | 05:40 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, you have my email? | 05:40 |
| enrico | Right. So, I'll now send a mail to john asking to create an account for Burgundavia_. In the meantime, it would be great to have a .tar.gz of Burgundavia_'s last things online somewhere | 05:40 |
| Burgundavia_ | I was about the ask | 05:40 |
| Burgundavia_ | I have created it | 05:41 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: you know the ftp url you mirror to for your archive? | 05:41 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: if you just ftp there you can put the file | 05:41 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: want a hand? | 05:41 |
| Burgundavia_ | na, I got it | 05:41 |
| Kinnison | cool | 05:42 |
| Burgundavia_ | it is up now | 05:42 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, ok, got it | 05:43 |
| Burgundavia_ | really, the stuff there is just proof of concept | 05:45 |
| enrico | How about a link in the channel (if it's not a burden?) | 05:45 |
| Burgundavia_ | ftp://corey:burgerbar@userftp.pepperfish.net/ | 05:46 |
| Burgundavia_ | that logs in as me | 05:46 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: nonononono | 05:46 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: Do you always give write-access to your websites? | 05:46 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: http://arch.digital-scurf.org/guests/ | 05:46 |
| Burgundavia_ | Kinnison, yes, if it is trivial | 05:46 |
| === Kinnison really really ought to tickle you lots -) | ||
| Burgundavia_ | Kinnison, if they can compromise your server from that, you have bigger problems than me | 05:47 |
| Burgundavia_ | and I could care less if somebody logs on and deletes everything | 05:47 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia_: userftp.pepperfish.net is a smelly *SMELLY* hack | 05:47 |
| Burgundavia_ | that is fine, we are just trying to pull down stuff | 05:47 |
| === Kinnison cringes | ||
| Burgundavia_ | sometimes I care about doing things correctly, this is not one of those times | 05:49 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, hmm it doesn't work on warty | 05:50 |
| Burgundavia_ | huh? | 05:50 |
| Burgundavia_ | I am running warty | 05:50 |
| Burgundavia_ | just a sec | 05:50 |
| Burgundavia_ | run accessories.xml directly, as I made an error about paths | 05:52 |
| plovs | yes, just did that, that works | 05:53 |
| plovs | looks good | 05:53 |
| Burgundavia_ | what do you think of the idea? | 05:53 |
| Burgundavia_ | The implementation is a bit of crap right now | 05:53 |
| plovs | besides the fact that it is b/w i think it quite nice | 05:54 |
| Burgundavia_ | the black and white is due to some error in yelp/gimp screenshot | 05:54 |
| plovs | i wonder whether it is quick-guide though, it is more like user-guide stuff afaik | 05:54 |
| Burgundavia_ | for some reason, screenshots created in the gimp do not display in yelp, but normal images due | 05:55 |
| Burgundavia_ | that is colour images | 05:55 |
| Burgundavia_ | bw works fine | 05:55 |
| Burgundavia_ | There is a gnome bug report filed for it | 05:55 |
| plovs | the images are b/w outside yelp as well, no? | 05:56 |
| Burgundavia_ | yes | 05:56 |
| Burgundavia_ | I made them bw in the gimp | 05:56 |
| Burgundavia_ | This mockup was why I posted the topic about task-based vs program-based | 05:59 |
| Burgundavia_ | For the next few days, should I continue on this track? | 06:04 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, it shows in colour if you make colour shots here | 06:04 |
| Burgundavia_ | wierd | 06:04 |
| Burgundavia_ | I need to do some serious looking to see what breaks | 06:04 |
| Burgundavia_ | I will sort that out | 06:04 |
| plovs | so let's discuss what we want to do with the quick-guide | 06:06 |
| plovs | we need a short intro o all the major apps, afaik | 06:07 |
| Burgundavia_ | Right now, or on the list? | 06:08 |
| plovs | let's discuss and then write something to the list | 06:08 |
| Burgundavia_ | The major reason I wanted something task based was that in order to document all the stuff for a specific program, that is a lot fo screen shots and thus not really quick | 06:10 |
| plovs | i like the svg's we should have some of those, but an in-depth discussion is more for the user-guide , afaik | 06:10 |
| plovs | the idea is a short over-view, what is on the cd and why people would want it | 06:11 |
| plovs | not how it actually works | 06:11 |
| lulu | hey guys a quick one - we discussed turning off all other options on the wiki other than moinmoin. then - someone raised the fact that we may want html on the wiki. so is the final decision moinmoin and html or just moin moin? | 06:12 |
| Burgundavia_ | umm, ok, to me that is not really useful as a quickguide | 06:13 |
| Burgundavia_ | To me, a quickguide tells me how to do the major thing(s) that the app does, without going into too many details | 06:13 |
| plovs | lulu, where do we need html? nothing comes to mind atm | 06:14 |
| Burgundavia_ | with html comes security issues, so if we include html, only a select number of tags must be allowed | 06:14 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, what use is a guide that explains badly what an app does? | 06:14 |
| plovs | lulu, if it is not a lot of work to turn it back on, i would just turn it all off except for moin | 06:15 |
| Burgundavia_ | but it would not explain badly, just that file-roller creates and reads files, and this is how to read a archive (the most common usage of the roller) | 06:15 |
| lulu | plovs: ok....lets' start with that and if it's needed, we can ask for html to be added. thanks :o) | 06:16 |
| plovs | lulu, always welcome | 06:16 |
| Burgundavia_ | Can we link directly to the main userguide directly from the quickguide | 06:16 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, i asked the same question, afaik not at the moment | 06:17 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, we write two guides, we should not have too much overlap, they should be two distinct different things | 06:17 |
| plovs | two targets, as far apart as possible | 06:18 |
| Burgundavia_ | I am having a hard time seeing your vision for the quickguide. Could you spit me out some sample text? | 06:18 |
| plovs | you have subversion installed? | 06:19 |
| Burgundavia_ | yep | 06:19 |
| plovs | svn co http://69.155.172.150/faq look in quickguide | 06:20 |
| Burgundavia_ | that was what you mocked up before you left correct? | 06:24 |
| plovs | yes | 06:24 |
| Burgundavia_ | I was wondering more what you would put, say, under the file-roller entry | 06:25 |
| plovs | for something like file-roller, a couple of lines would be enough, To work with archives we have file-roller. It can open and extract archives and can be used to create archives as well. | 06:27 |
| plovs | nothing much. it is a minor app | 06:27 |
| enrico | if it adds archive support to nautilus, it may be worth mentioning | 06:27 |
| Burgundavia_ | Ok, so would describe the app at 30,000ft then, without going into how it does anything? | 06:27 |
| plovs | the browser, evolution and multiple language support is much more important | 06:27 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, exactly | 06:28 |
| plovs | and only zoom in on some apps | 06:28 |
| plovs | the quick-guide is used to 'sell' ubuntu, not explain it | 06:28 |
| Burgundavia_ | ok then, is a screenshot, showing the major buttons is a userguide thing, iyo | 06:28 |
| plovs | for that we have the userguide and maybe the faq | 06:28 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, right, imho it is | 06:29 |
| plovs | off course some screenshots might be nice, with special features | 06:29 |
| Burgundavia_ | ok then, do we really need to have any images in the quickguide at all then? | 06:30 |
| plovs | for example the clock integrates with evolution, that is something utterly cool and nice for new users | 06:30 |
| plovs | that you should show | 06:30 |
| plovs | in the what-is-new part the new package-selection thing | 06:31 |
| Burgundavia_ | ok then | 06:32 |
| Burgundavia_ | But the svg stuff is major cool for the userguide | 06:32 |
| plovs | btw the layout in svn is not fixed or finished | 06:32 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, agreed, it looks great | 06:32 |
| Burgundavia_ | So I will start writing simple stuff for the apps for the quickguide | 06:32 |
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| plovs | good idea, and try to find out what is new | 06:32 |
| Burgundavia_ | fills the tranlated requirement as well | 06:32 |
| Kinnison | bah | 06:32 |
| plovs | hahaha that was an encouraging visit | 06:33 |
| plovs | until you have a password you can send me the diffs | 06:33 |
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| Burgundavia_ | ok | 06:34 |
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| Kinnison | Let's try that again :-) | 06:34 |
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| plovs | dsilvers, irssi? | 06:34 |
| dsilvers | ctrlproxy | 06:34 |
| Kinnison | It seems to work too | 06:34 |
| Kinnison | which is nice | 06:34 |
| plovs | very schizo | 06:35 |
| plovs | :-) | 06:35 |
| Burgundavia_ | I am taking notes in the current bof, so won't be in here much right now | 06:36 |
| plovs | Burgundavia_, ok, cu later then | 06:37 |
| Kinnison | This is all very fun | 06:38 |
| Kinnison | I now have xchat and irssi attached to the same irc session | 06:38 |
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| sivang | enrico : hi!!!! | 06:39 |
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| sivang | how is tawiwan this time of the year? | 06:40 |
| enrico | 06:40 | |
| sivang | how do you produce that sign? | 06:40 |
| sivang | :) | 06:40 |
| enrico | <3 | 06:41 |
| Kinnison | enrico: is this a case of la la la ? | 06:41 |
| enrico | Kinnison: | 06:43 |
| plovs | enrico, you are an svn wizard right? | 06:43 |
| enrico | Kinnison taught me how to enter arbitrary Unicode characters in gnome-terminal :) | 06:43 |
| enrico | plovs: rather a user, but try to ask | 06:43 |
| plovs | i have a foler that i want to add to revision control but it claims it already is, but when i check out the repo it is not there | 06:45 |
| plovs | folder | 06:45 |
| plovs | i did a workaround, making new folders and moving stuff into it | 06:49 |
| enrico | plovs: I usually checkout the archive in another directory, add then folder, then commit | 06:50 |
| plovs | enrico, will try | 06:50 |
| enrico | Time to go to bed | 07:01 |
| lulu | sivang: Hiya! Oferw is looking for you | 07:01 |
| sivang | lulu : I Know, he's sent me an email but currently I cannot log into rossetta so I didn't have much to answer him back, plus I had tons of emails to go through, But I'll answer him now, COuld you help us with rosseta? I have been unable to iunstall the testing certificate and daf told me it would get released today buyt still no go.. | 07:02 |
| lulu | sivang: daf is online - rather than my acting as a go between - please contact him directly and then enlighten us :o). Thanks :o) | 07:04 |
| sivang | ok, I'll try again ;o) | 07:04 |
| lulu | sivang: they are working like crazy to get it released today, so hopefully soon - hang in there for a bit methinks :o) | 07:08 |
| sivang | lulu : ok, so I'll tell ofer to have some patience :) | 07:08 |
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| lulu | sivang: I do hope it will be this evening but I think tomorrow is a good guestimate - they are ironing out a few problems. | 07:09 |
| sivang | lulu : I'll just contact him to let him know we have something to wait for. | 07:09 |
| lulu | sivang: thanks! | 07:15 |
| Burgundavia_ | plovs, you still here? | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia_ | is guess not | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia_ | anybody else here, or have I lost internet again? | 07:42 |
| ChrisH | I'm still here. :) | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia_ | ok, just checking | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia_ | wireless is flaky upstairs | 07:42 |
| ChrisH | no problm, yo$"$ur line is w____ing corre"%ly | 07:43 |
| Burgundavia_ | huh? | 07:44 |
| ChrisH | kidding :) | 07:44 |
| Burgundavia_ | you know, it is very hard to write docs for hoary when you are not running it | 07:45 |
| sivang | Burgundavia_, then , you should! | 07:45 |
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| Burgundavia_ | I do at home, just not on my laptop | 07:45 |
| sivang | Burgundavia_, hoary works pretty ok for me on my crappy dell | 07:45 |
| sivang | and has become even more stable over the past week :) | 07:46 |
| ChrisH | Hoary is really mad on my system, too. aptitude is broken. Half of the applets from my top panel are missing. I don't know whether x.org runs... | 07:46 |
| Burgundavia_ | yes, but I would rather not deal with crap at the conf | 07:46 |
| Burgundavia_ | I can deal with that at my home | 07:46 |
| sivang | Burgundavia_, you always have Kinnison next to you to help :) | 07:46 |
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| Burgundavia_ | can I send you guys some files diffs to upload to the svn server? | 07:46 |
| sivang | Burgundavia_, do we have a quicbook branch alreayd? | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia_ | or not, I just deleted all my work | 07:49 |
| Burgundavia_ | I had to remove the files, delete the directory and redownload from the svn server | 07:49 |
| Burgundavia_ | guess which step corey forgot | 07:49 |
| Burgundavia_ | I am working off the stuff on the svn server that plov did while at the conf | 07:50 |
| ChrisH | Is there perhaps a way to create a second Gnome session within the session in a window? Would simplify having an english version to write the dox. | 07:53 |
| sivang | yes there is, I need to ask my gnome hackers freind over at gnome-love | 07:56 |
| sivang | :) | 07:56 |
| ChrisH | Thanks. | 07:56 |
| plovs | back again | 07:56 |
| plovs | sivang, yes we have a quickbook branch | 07:57 |
| sivang | ok, Burgundavia_ needs help with commiting to it, | 07:59 |
| sivang | couldn't we get a hold of horny? | 07:59 |
| plovs | sivang, he's offline afaik | 08:01 |
| plovs | sivang, can you patch? Burgundavia_could send you diffs | 08:01 |
| sivang | ok, no prob | 08:02 |
| sivang | Lemme update first.. | 08:02 |
| sivang | :) | 08:02 |
| sivang | and checkout the quickguide branch | 08:02 |
| sivang | what's the repo url? | 08:03 |
| Burgundavia_ | going for dinner | 08:03 |
| Burgundavia_ | nev mind about the diffs, I completely wiped out my change due to my stupidity | 08:04 |
| plovs | sivang, it's a sub-folder in faq | 08:07 |
| lulu | Dinner BOF - adios amigos :o) | 08:12 |
| sivang | heheh | 08:13 |
| sivang | adios lulu | 08:13 |
| lulu | :o) | 08:13 |
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| plovs | sivang, awake? | 08:45 |
| sivang | yes plovs, lmost :) | 08:49 |
| sivang | also with a cold | 08:49 |
| plovs | sivang, poor guy! | 08:51 |
| plovs | did you check out the svn repo? | 08:52 |
| plovs | check out fq2, please | 08:53 |
| sivang | not yet :) I'll update now. | 08:53 |
| plovs | ok | 08:53 |
| sivang | oh, a new dir? | 08:53 |
| plovs | yes, my small project, for fun | 08:53 |
| sivang | you said that the quickguide is under the same folder | 08:55 |
| plovs | under /faq/quickguide | 08:57 |
| plovs | does fq2 work in yelp? | 08:57 |
| sivang | lemme check | 09:00 |
| sivang | ChrisH : try to explore xnest, it made for exactly that purpose. | 09:08 |
| ChrisH | sivang: tnx | 09:09 |
| sivang | no prob buddy | 09:10 |
| ChrisH | sivang: Hmmm... does not look very trivial... | 09:12 |
| sivang | I know | 09:13 |
| sivang | but it's worthwhile | 09:13 |
| sivang | plovs : still checking out the stuff.. it takes tons of time.. | 09:13 |
| sivang | btw, does anybody know where is the contry teams web page? | 09:15 |
| plovs | nope | 09:16 |
| plovs | ok, i updated getting started and am of to bed | 09:16 |
| plovs | night | 09:16 |
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