[08:59] <Burgundavia_> salut all
[09:27] <Burgundavia_> hey lu?
[09:28] <lulu> morning Corey!
[09:31] <Burgundavia_> morning
[09:31] <Burgundavia_> I am in 233 correct?
[09:53] <Kinnison> Morning
[09:56] <Burgundavia_> morning
[09:56] <Burgundavia_> huh??
[09:56] <Kinnison> internals of baz
[09:56] <Burgundavia_> ah
[09:56] <Kinnison> We're breaking the five-metre rule you know
[10:10] <Burgundavia_> now we are not
[10:10] <Kinnison> Indeed
[10:11] <Kinnison> Do I really smell that much? :-(
[10:11] <Burgundavia_> nah, but the conversation is better up here
[10:11] <Kinnison> So kind
[10:12] <Burgundavia_> as always
[10:16] <Burgundavia_> what???
[10:22] <Kinnison> That you're always kind :-)
[10:37] <Kinnison> ra ra Burgundavia_ 
[10:39] <Burgundavia_> ya, im back
[10:39] <Burgundavia_> bloody wireless
[10:41] <Kinnison> it's that room. I only get reliable signal by the door
[10:58] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: if you're prepared to toke from *my* baz crack pipe I have a fix for the .listing bug
[10:58] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: otherwise you should wait for lifeless to review it
[11:16] <Burgundavia_> ah, whatever
[11:29] <Burgundavia_> lulu
[11:33] <lulu> yes? room check?
[11:36] <lulu> Burgundavia_: you are sharing with Marius Gedminas (Chris Halls was his room mate)
[11:36] <Burgundavia_> right
[11:42] <lulu> .
[12:04] <Burgundavia_> thanks
[12:43] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: did you sort everything out with respect to that charge?
[12:43] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: also; baz crack-of-the-minute has my patch in it to make it work :-)
[12:46] <Burgundavia_> no, waiting to talk to the staffer who was on at the time
[12:46] <Burgundavia_> I will also get crack of the day
[01:00] <sivang> hi everybody!
[01:00] <sivang> how is Mataro this morning?
[01:00] <Kinnison> hello dr sivan
[01:00] <sivang> hey Kinnison, what's up? :)
[01:00] <Kinnison> not much
[01:00] <sivang> how is the kernel module working?
[01:01] <Kinnison> Reasonably
[01:01] <sivang> heh :)
[01:01] <Kinnison> I need to find someone with a VALZ laptop for me to test with
[01:01] <sivang> when you have time, I
[01:01] <sivang> 'd like us to try working the dell ones as well , for inspiron 8200 
[01:02] <lifeless> Burgundavia_: bazaar now will do the right thing for your ftp hosted archive.
[01:03] <Burgundavia_> sounds good
[01:04] <sivang> lifeless : is there a canonical url for using bazzar already? I want to see how reasonable is it for storing documents etc.
[01:04] <Kinnison> lifeless: the canonical bazaar address is bazaar.canonical.com
[01:05] <sivang> Kinnison : can I already put doc stuff there? :)
[01:05] <Kinnison> erm s/lifeless/sivang/
[01:05] <Kinnison> I'm so awake right now
[01:06] <sivang> ah ok :)
[01:06] <sivang> heheh
[01:06] <Kinnison> sivang: It's the url to bazaar :-)
[01:06] <Kinnison> sivang: You make an archive on your laptop :-)
[01:06] <sivang> ah, distributed revision management . COOOL
[01:06] <sivang> :)
[02:12] <Burgundavia_> sivang, you still there?
[02:13] <sivang> yes, just a sec.
[02:13] <sivang> :)
[02:13] <Burgundavia_> you got bazaar yet?
[02:21] <sivang> Burgundavia_ : working on it, do you know if there any place in canonical where we can have the bazzar archive hosted, if we want to use it eventually?
[02:23] <Burgundavia_> sivang, that is being worked on,currently this is just a temp archive, so that we can work on the quickguide stuf
[02:24] <plovs> Burgundavia_, hi! so we have an arch repo now?
[02:24] <sivang> Burgundavia_ : how can I access it?
[02:25] <Burgundavia_> yah, just temp hosted with Kinnison
[02:25] <sivang> ah over his machines?
[02:25] <sivang> Kinnison : you're the doc team patron aren't you ? ;-)
[02:26] <Burgundavia_> at his machine, until we get an official one
[02:26] <Burgundavia_> ftp://corey:burgerbar@userftp.pepperfish.net/corey.burger@gmail.com--2004
[02:27] <Burgundavia_> that is the baz url
[02:27] <Burgundavia_> have you set up baz?
[02:28] <sivang> curretnly trying to decided if I'm better off to use the deb pacakge or compile from source..
[02:28] <sivang> also looking at some arch docs
[02:28] <Burgundavia_> grab the crack of the day from that repo
[02:29] <Burgundavia_> is going to be updated daily or more
[02:29] <sivang> yeah, so we've heared on the morning sessions :)
[02:30] <Burgundavia_> so I would go with the debs, they are more up to date
[02:30] <Burgundavia_> On another note, did you guys see my post to list about the roles of the quickguide and userguide?
[02:35] <Burgundavia_> sivang, heard
[02:36] <sivang> I think I've seen it already, still havn't had a chance to read it thoroughly..
[02:36] <Burgundavia_> ya, I think I am leaning towards the task-based quickguide
[02:37] <plovs> Burgundavia_, we still need access to all the files first and then discuss what we will do in the end. This needs to be decided together
[02:37] <Burgundavia_> true
[02:37] <sivang> Burgundavia_ : any decision we run through the doc team needs to be approved first, either by reaching consensus on the mailing list, or in a meeting.
[02:38] <Burgundavia_> I realize that, I was just stating my opinion
[02:38] <sivang> ah ok :)
[02:39] <Burgundavia_> I have done 2 different apps in the current quickguide (calc and file-roller)
[02:39] <Burgundavia_> have you both set up baz, or do you need my help with that?
[02:40] <sivang> Burgundavia_ : I'll sure bug you if I stumble upon any trouble :)
[02:40] <Burgundavia_> ok
[03:03] <sid77> sorry, wrong comamnd
[03:04] <ChrisH> sid77: Not really. That was the first time you actually used the "/me" command correctly :)
[03:05] <sid77> ChrisH, I /ame hi on login just because I'm on 2 server ;)
[03:06] <ChrisH> sid77: Just that it sounds lame because /me indicates in action. "/me waves to everybody" or "/me is back" would be valid. :)
[03:06] <sid77> well, think I should checkout the correct use of /allchan then :)
[03:06] <ChrisH> Yo... wallops info: sid77 is back! ;)
[03:06] <sid77> ChrisH, uh?
[03:07] <sid77> mmmh
[03:08] <sid77> Should I use "/ame waves to everybody (so CrisH is happy)" ?
[03:08] <sid77> gh
[03:08] <sid77> just kidding
[03:12] <ChrisH> What is "/ame"? I just know "/me"
[03:13] <sid77> ChrisH, it is an xchat command (or alias), send a /me on every channel you are in (and on every server, that's why I use it)
[03:13] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: noooooooooooo!
[03:14] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: Your URL is http://arch.digital-scurf.org/guests/corey.burger@gmail.com--2004
[03:25] <Burgundavia_> hey
[03:25] <Burgundavia_> my test case for the bug report is working, dammit
[03:25] <Kinnison> ?
[03:27] <Burgundavia_> well, I tried to build a test case for the image display probelm iwht yelp, but the test images i have seem to work
[03:27] <Kinnison> Hehe
[03:28] <sivang> Burgundavia_, a yelp bug?
[03:30] <Burgundavia_> display to gimp-screenshots in SVG in docbook in yelp, they do not display correctly
[03:30] <Burgundavia_> s/to/of'
[03:50] <Burgundavia_> back soon
[03:50] <Burgundavia_> got to go pick up my laundry
[04:53] <Burgundavia_> hello again
[04:54] <Kinnison> nice clean clothes?
[05:04] <enrico> Hello everyone.  Could someone give me the status of the svn-baz affair?
[05:05] <enrico> I remember the original idea was to have a baz scrapbook and work on svn until everyone was happy with baz, and then schedule a svn->baz migration
[05:05] <enrico> Something went wrong?
[05:05] <Kinnison> Dunno. I've got Burgundavia_ trying to work with baz
[05:06] <enrico> s/scrapbook/sandbox/
[05:11] <Burgundavia_> hey
[05:11] <Burgundavia_> yes, nice clean clothes, but at 13 euros, a little pricey
[05:13] <Burgundavia_> would baz get url not just grab the files
[05:14] <Burgundavia_> With the svg is docbook, I think the docbook is going to meet all requirements
[05:14] <plovs> he corey can you send me a copy of what you wrote so far?
[05:16] <plovs> Burgundavia_, ?
[05:18] <Kinnison> baz register-archive http://....
[05:18] <Kinnison> baz get archive/branch
[05:18] <Kinnison> unfortunately the url-based get stuff is still pending
[05:18] <enrico> Kinnison: please expand [....]  :)
[05:18] <Kinnison> enrico: in this instance; http://arch.digital-scurf.org/guests/corey.burger@gmail.com--2004
[05:20] <plovs> Kinnison, and baz get .... what?
[05:20] <enrico> plovs: please note that that command is what you can use for downloading Burgundavia_'s work, but you don't need to work on baz :)
[05:20] <enrico> baz register-archive http://arch.digital-scurf.org/guests/corey.burger@gmail.com--2004
[05:20] <enrico> baz get archive/branch
[05:20] <Kinnison> then baz get corey.burger@gmail.com--2004/ubuntu-doc--quickfind-corey--0
[05:20] <enrico> oh, sorry, archive/branch needed to be expanded :(
[05:21] <Kinnison> you might need to wget http://arch.digital-scurf.org/guests/corey.burger@gmail.com.pub if you've not got his gpg key, and import it
[05:21] <plovs> No such package (ubuntu-doc--quickfind-corey)
[05:21] <Kinnison> oh?
[05:21] <enrico> Argh... it's getting quite complicated just to download one's work...
[05:22] <enrico> Is it possible for Burgundavia_
[05:22] <Kinnison> sorry; quickguide-corey
[05:22] <enrico> Is it possible for Burgundavia_'s work to end up in subversion in a way or another?
[05:22] <plovs>  ERROR 404: Not found.
[05:22] <Burgundavia_> I just chatted with lulu regarding the set up of baz on the official servers
[05:23] <Kinnison> baz has a bit of a learning curve^Wbrick-wall-with-shards-of-glass but once you're there it's easy
[05:23] <enrico> Kinnison: wasn't baz supposed to be the one with the almost-no-learning-curve feature?
[05:23] <enrico> Burgundavia_: what came out of the chat?
[05:23] <plovs> enrico, that is for geniuses only
[05:24] <Burgundavia_> baz is a work in progress (rather seriously)P
[05:25] <enrico> plovs: in theory, that was arch :)
[05:25] <enrico> Ok, let's cool down.  I'm trying to make a recap in the list of the current situation, so that everyone knows how to resume their work
[05:25] <Burgundavia_> Kinnison, is the baz just ro for everyone that me?
[05:25] <enrico> I'll try to do it here first
[05:26] <plovs> enrico, right
[05:26] <enrico> at the docteam BOF, we agreed that we would setup a baz sandbox and then keep working on svn until we all would like baz a lot.  Then, properly schedule a svn->baz migration
[05:27] <Burgundavia_> ya
[05:27] <enrico> I didn't get any more news, so I imagine the situation is still the same
[05:27] <Burgundavia_> but that doesn't really solve our imm. prob of getting my daily crack up to somewhere people can rip it apart
[05:27] <enrico> I haven't seen any news of the sandbox in the list either, so I guess it still isn't there and Burgundavia_ is just playing with baz because it's fun
[05:27] <Burgundavia_> I am playing with baz because I no history with any versioning system, thus have no bad habits and dislikes
[05:27] <enrico> Kinnison: can't baz commit to subversion?  I recall reading something like arch could do it
[05:28] <Kinnison> enrico: No
[05:28] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: Indeed
[05:28] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: Everyone can branch off your stuff in their own archives
[05:28] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: and then you can merge patches between yourselves
[05:29] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: that's the way distributed development works
[05:29] <enrico> We could ask Burgundavia_ to switch to svn for the sake of simplicity of working with the rest of the people, but I don't want to throw away the hard climbing Burgundavia_ has already made on baz's learning curve :)
[05:29] <Burgundavia_> I don't mind, but would need commit access to the svn repo
[05:30] <Burgundavia_> or a repo
[05:30] <enrico> Oh, that should be easy
[05:31] <plovs> enrico, well, not that simple as john is not available atm
[05:31] <Kinnison> This is why baz is good. Noone needs anyone else's permission to get on with branching and working on stuff
[05:32] <Burgundavia_> ya, that is what I mean
[05:32] <plovs> Kinnison, if you can get it to work, we'll buy you a beer
[05:33] <plovs> Burgundavia_, can you just send me a tgz?
[05:33] <Burgundavia_> sure
[05:33] <Kinnison> plovs: It's already working for Burgundavia_ ... what's missing is a central place for you lot to mirror archives to and some documentation to make it easy for you to know what commands you need to do what
[05:33] <enrico> oh, tgz are cute
[05:33] <Burgundavia_> just a sec
[05:33] <plovs> Kinnison, that's half a beer
[05:34] <Kinnison> I've been asked to say "Please just use SVN for now"
[05:34] <Kinnison> So as soon as Burgundavia_ can be set up with svn commit access he can move his stuff into svn
[05:34] <enrico> cool!
[05:35] <enrico> In the meantime, until John shows up again, we can see how to get Burgundavia_'s work
[05:35] <plovs> all fine with me, i just want to work on this guide!
[05:35] <Burgundavia_> ya
[05:35] <Burgundavia_> lets use svn until after the conf, when I will write up some stuff about how to use baz
[05:37] <enrico> Burgundavia_: cool.  But let's bring out baz only after a week there's not been other chaos and everyone is working in harmony :)
[05:38] <Kinnison> baz *will* cause chaos and confusion until you all get re-used to it. It is a very different working model.
[05:40] <Burgundavia_> I was just thinking of righting the docs, not the actual transition
[05:40] <plovs> Burgundavia_, you have my email?
[05:40] <enrico> Right.  So, I'll now send a mail to john asking to create an account for Burgundavia_.  In the meantime, it would be great to have a .tar.gz of Burgundavia_'s last things online somewhere
[05:40] <Burgundavia_> I was about the ask
[05:41] <Burgundavia_> I have created it
[05:41] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: you know the ftp url you mirror to for your archive?
[05:41] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: if you just ftp there you can put the file
[05:41] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: want a hand?
[05:41] <Burgundavia_> na, I got it
[05:42] <Kinnison> cool
[05:42] <Burgundavia_> it is up now
[05:43] <plovs> Burgundavia_, ok, got it
[05:45] <Burgundavia_> really, the stuff there is just proof of concept
[05:45] <enrico> How about a link in the channel (if it's not a burden?)
[05:46] <Burgundavia_> ftp://corey:burgerbar@userftp.pepperfish.net/
[05:46] <Burgundavia_> that logs in as me
[05:46] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: nonononono
[05:46] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: Do you always give write-access to your websites?
[05:46] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: http://arch.digital-scurf.org/guests/
[05:46] <Burgundavia_> Kinnison, yes, if it is trivial
[05:47] <Burgundavia_> Kinnison, if they can compromise your server from that, you have bigger problems than me
[05:47] <Burgundavia_> and I could care less if somebody logs on and deletes everything
[05:47] <Kinnison> Burgundavia_: userftp.pepperfish.net is a smelly *SMELLY* hack
[05:47] <Burgundavia_> that is fine, we are just trying to pull down stuff
[05:49] <Burgundavia_> sometimes I care about doing things correctly, this is not one of those times
[05:50] <plovs> Burgundavia_, hmm it doesn't work on warty
[05:50] <Burgundavia_> huh?
[05:50] <Burgundavia_> I am running warty
[05:50] <Burgundavia_> just a sec
[05:52] <Burgundavia_> run accessories.xml directly, as I made an error about paths
[05:53] <plovs> yes, just did that, that works
[05:53] <plovs> looks good
[05:53] <Burgundavia_> what do you think of the idea?
[05:53] <Burgundavia_> The implementation is a bit of crap right now
[05:54] <plovs> besides the fact that it is b/w i think it quite nice
[05:54] <Burgundavia_> the black and white is due to some error in yelp/gimp screenshot
[05:54] <plovs> i wonder whether it is quick-guide though, it is more like user-guide stuff afaik
[05:55] <Burgundavia_> for some reason, screenshots created in the gimp do not display in yelp, but normal images due
[05:55] <Burgundavia_> that is colour images
[05:55] <Burgundavia_> bw works fine
[05:55] <Burgundavia_> There is a gnome bug report filed for it
[05:56] <plovs> the images are b/w outside yelp as well, no?
[05:56] <Burgundavia_> yes
[05:56] <Burgundavia_> I made them bw in the gimp
[05:59] <Burgundavia_> This mockup was why I posted the topic about task-based vs program-based
[06:04] <Burgundavia_> For the next few days, should I continue on this track?
[06:04] <plovs> Burgundavia_, it shows in colour if you make colour shots here
[06:04] <Burgundavia_> wierd
[06:04] <Burgundavia_> I need to do some serious looking to see what breaks
[06:04] <Burgundavia_> I will sort that out
[06:06] <plovs> so let's discuss what we want to do with the quick-guide
[06:07] <plovs> we need a short intro o all the major apps, afaik
[06:08] <Burgundavia_> Right now, or on the list?
[06:08] <plovs> let's discuss and then write something to the list
[06:10] <Burgundavia_> The major reason I wanted something task based was that in order to document all the stuff for a specific program, that is a lot fo screen shots and thus not really quick
[06:10] <plovs> i like the svg's we should have some of those, but an in-depth discussion is more for the user-guide , afaik
[06:11] <plovs> the idea is a short over-view, what is on the cd and why people would want it
[06:11] <plovs> not how it actually works
[06:12] <lulu> hey guys a quick one - we discussed turning off all other options on the wiki other than moinmoin. then - someone raised the fact that we may want html on the wiki. so is the final decision moinmoin and html or just moin moin?
[06:13] <Burgundavia_> umm, ok, to me that is not really useful as a quickguide
[06:13] <Burgundavia_> To me, a quickguide tells me how to do the major thing(s) that the app does, without going into too many details
[06:14] <plovs> lulu, where do we need html? nothing comes to mind atm
[06:14] <Burgundavia_> with html comes security issues, so if we include html, only a select number of tags must be allowed
[06:14] <plovs> Burgundavia_, what use is a guide that explains badly what an app does?
[06:15] <plovs> lulu, if it is not a lot of work to turn it back on, i would just turn it all off except for moin
[06:15] <Burgundavia_> but it would not explain badly, just that file-roller creates and reads files, and this is how to read a archive (the most common usage of the roller)
[06:16] <lulu> plovs: ok....lets' start with that and if it's needed, we can ask for html to be added. thanks :o)
[06:16] <plovs> lulu, always welcome 
[06:16] <Burgundavia_> Can we link directly to the main userguide directly from the quickguide
[06:17] <plovs> Burgundavia_, i asked the same question, afaik not at the moment
[06:17] <plovs> Burgundavia_, we write two guides, we should not have too much overlap, they should be two distinct different things
[06:18] <plovs> two targets, as far apart as possible
[06:18] <Burgundavia_> I am having a hard time seeing your vision for the quickguide. Could you spit me out some sample text?
[06:19] <plovs> you have subversion installed?
[06:19] <Burgundavia_> yep
[06:20] <plovs> svn co http://69.155.172.150/faq look in quickguide
[06:24] <Burgundavia_> that was what you mocked up before you left correct?
[06:24] <plovs> yes
[06:25] <Burgundavia_> I was wondering more what you would put, say, under the file-roller entry
[06:27] <plovs> for something like file-roller, a couple of  lines would be enough, To work with archives we  have file-roller. It can open and extract archives and can be used to create archives as well.
[06:27] <plovs> nothing much. it is a minor app
[06:27] <enrico> if it adds archive support to nautilus, it may be worth mentioning
[06:27] <Burgundavia_> Ok, so would describe the app at 30,000ft then, without going into how it does anything?
[06:27] <plovs> the browser, evolution and multiple language support is much more important
[06:28] <plovs> Burgundavia_, exactly
[06:28] <plovs> and only zoom in on some apps
[06:28] <plovs> the quick-guide is used to 'sell' ubuntu, not explain it
[06:28] <Burgundavia_> ok then, is a screenshot, showing the major buttons is a userguide thing, iyo
[06:28] <plovs> for that we have the userguide and maybe the faq
[06:29] <plovs> Burgundavia_, right, imho it is
[06:29] <plovs> off course some screenshots might be nice, with special features
[06:30] <Burgundavia_> ok then, do we really need to have any images in the quickguide at all then?
[06:30] <plovs> for example the clock integrates with evolution, that is something utterly cool and nice for new users
[06:30] <plovs> that you should show
[06:31] <plovs> in the what-is-new part the new package-selection thing
[06:32] <Burgundavia_> ok then
[06:32] <Burgundavia_> But the svg stuff is major cool for the userguide
[06:32] <plovs> btw the layout in svn is not fixed or finished
[06:32] <plovs> Burgundavia_, agreed, it looks great
[06:32] <Burgundavia_> So I will start writing simple stuff for the apps for the quickguide
[06:32] <plovs> good idea, and try to find out what is new
[06:32] <Burgundavia_> fills the tranlated requirement as well
[06:32] <Kinnison> bah
[06:33] <plovs> hahaha that was an encouraging visit
[06:33] <plovs> until you have a password you can send me the diffs
[06:34] <Burgundavia_> ok
[06:34] <Kinnison> Let's try that again :-)
[06:34] <plovs> dsilvers, irssi?
[06:34] <dsilvers> ctrlproxy
[06:34] <Kinnison> It seems to work too
[06:34] <Kinnison> which is nice
[06:35] <plovs> very schizo
[06:35] <plovs> :-)
[06:36] <Burgundavia_> I am taking notes in the current bof, so won't be in here much right now
[06:37] <plovs> Burgundavia_, ok, cu later then
[06:38] <Kinnison> This is all very fun
[06:38] <Kinnison> I now have xchat and irssi attached to the same irc session
[06:39] <sivang> enrico : hi!!!!
[06:40] <sivang> how is tawiwan this time of the year?
[06:40] <enrico> 
[06:40] <sivang> how do you produce that sign?
[06:40] <sivang> :)
[06:41] <enrico> <3
[06:41] <Kinnison> enrico: is this a case of  la la la  ?
[06:43] <enrico> Kinnison: 
[06:43] <plovs> enrico, you are an svn wizard right?
[06:43] <enrico> Kinnison taught me how to enter arbitrary Unicode characters in gnome-terminal :)
[06:43] <enrico> plovs: rather a user, but try to ask
[06:45] <plovs> i have a foler that i want to add to revision control but it claims it already is, but when i check out the repo it is not there
[06:45] <plovs> folder
[06:49] <plovs> i did a workaround, making new folders and moving stuff into it
[06:50] <enrico> plovs: I usually checkout the archive in another directory, add then folder, then commit
[06:50] <plovs> enrico, will try
[07:01] <enrico> Time to go to bed
[07:01] <lulu> sivang: Hiya! Oferw is looking for you
[07:02] <sivang> lulu : I Know, he's sent me an email but currently I cannot log into rossetta so I didn't have much to answer him back, plus I had tons of emails to go through, But I'll answer him now, COuld you help us with rosseta? I have been unable to iunstall the testing certificate and daf told me it would get released today buyt still no go..
[07:04] <lulu> sivang: daf is online - rather than my acting as a go between - please contact him directly and then enlighten us :o). Thanks :o)
[07:04] <sivang> ok, I'll try again ;o)
[07:08] <lulu> sivang: they are working like crazy to get it released today, so hopefully soon - hang in there for a bit methinks :o)
[07:08] <sivang> lulu : ok, so I'll tell ofer to have some patience :)
[07:09] <lulu> sivang: I do hope it will be this evening but I think tomorrow is a good guestimate - they are ironing out a few problems.
[07:09] <sivang> lulu : I'll just contact him to let him know we have something to wait for.
[07:15] <lulu> sivang: thanks!
[07:20] <Burgundavia_> plovs, you still here?
[07:42] <Burgundavia_> is guess not
[07:42] <Burgundavia_> anybody else here, or have I lost internet again?
[07:42] <ChrisH> I'm still here. :)
[07:42] <Burgundavia_> ok, just checking
[07:42] <Burgundavia_> wireless is flaky upstairs
[07:43] <ChrisH> no problm, yo$"$ur line is w____ing corre"%ly
[07:44] <Burgundavia_> huh?
[07:44] <ChrisH> kidding :)
[07:45] <Burgundavia_> you know, it is very hard to write docs for hoary when you are not running it
[07:45] <sivang> Burgundavia_, then , you should!
[07:45] <Burgundavia_> I do at home, just not on my laptop
[07:45] <sivang> Burgundavia_, hoary works pretty ok for me on my crappy dell
[07:46] <sivang> and has become even more stable over the past week :)
[07:46] <ChrisH> Hoary is really mad on my system, too. aptitude is broken. Half of the applets from my top panel are missing. I don't know whether x.org runs...
[07:46] <Burgundavia_> yes, but I would rather not deal with crap at the conf
[07:46] <Burgundavia_> I can deal with that at my home
[07:46] <sivang> Burgundavia_, you always have Kinnison next to you to help :)
[07:46] <Burgundavia_> can I send you guys some files diffs to upload to the svn server?
[07:47] <sivang> Burgundavia_, do we have a quicbook branch alreayd?
[07:49] <Burgundavia_> or not, I just deleted all my work
[07:49] <Burgundavia_> I had to remove the files, delete the directory and redownload from the svn server
[07:49] <Burgundavia_> guess which step corey forgot
[07:50] <Burgundavia_> I am working off the stuff on the svn server that plov did while at the conf
[07:53] <ChrisH> Is there perhaps a way to create a second Gnome session within the session in a window? Would simplify having an english version to write the dox.
[07:56] <sivang> yes there is, I need to ask my gnome hackers freind over at gnome-love
[07:56] <sivang> :)
[07:56] <ChrisH> Thanks.
[07:56] <plovs> back again
[07:57] <plovs> sivang, yes we have a quickbook branch
[07:59] <sivang> ok, Burgundavia_ needs help with commiting to it,
[07:59] <sivang> couldn't we get a hold of horny?
[08:01] <plovs> sivang, he's offline afaik
[08:01] <plovs> sivang, can you patch? Burgundavia_could send you diffs
[08:02] <sivang> ok, no prob
[08:02] <sivang> Lemme update first..
[08:02] <sivang> :)
[08:02] <sivang> and checkout the quickguide branch
[08:03] <sivang> what's the repo url?
[08:03] <Burgundavia_> going for dinner
[08:04] <Burgundavia_> nev mind about the diffs, I completely wiped out my change due to my stupidity
[08:07] <plovs> sivang, it's a sub-folder in faq
[08:12] <lulu> Dinner BOF - adios amigos :o)
[08:13] <sivang> heheh
[08:13] <sivang> adios lulu
[08:13] <lulu> :o)
[08:45] <plovs> sivang, awake?
[08:49] <sivang> yes plovs, lmost :)
[08:49] <sivang> also with a cold 
[08:51] <plovs> sivang, poor guy!
[08:52] <plovs> did you check out the svn repo?
[08:53] <plovs> check out fq2, please
[08:53] <sivang> not yet :) I'll update now.
[08:53] <plovs> ok
[08:53] <sivang> oh, a new dir?
[08:53] <plovs> yes, my small project, for fun
[08:55] <sivang> you said that the quickguide is under the same folder
[08:57] <plovs> under /faq/quickguide
[08:57] <plovs> does fq2 work in yelp?
[09:00] <sivang> lemme check
[09:08] <sivang> ChrisH : try to explore xnest, it made for exactly that purpose.
[09:09] <ChrisH> sivang: tnx
[09:10] <sivang> no prob buddy
[09:12] <ChrisH> sivang: Hmmm... does not look very trivial...
[09:13] <sivang> I know
[09:13] <sivang> but it's worthwhile
[09:13] <sivang> plovs : still checking out the stuff.. it takes tons of time..
[09:15] <sivang> btw, does anybody know where is the contry teams web page?
[09:16] <plovs> nope
[09:16] <plovs> ok, i updated getting started and am of to bed
[09:16] <plovs> night