[12:03] <Tyche> any apache experts out there?
[12:04] <jbroome> Tyche: it can't hurt to go ahead and ask
[12:05] <Tyche> I can goto localhost and it works.
[12:05] <Tyche> I type in the ip address from another machine on the network...and no go.
[12:06] <scizzo> Tyche: internal network?
[12:06] <jbroome> iptables running?
[12:06] <Tyche> jbroome: I don't know about iptables
[12:06] <Tyche> Scizzo: Yes, internal network
[12:06] <scizzo> Tyche: you trying to access it from another internal machine?
[12:07] <Tyche> Yea
[12:07] <scizzo> hmmm
[12:08] <Tyche> i don't understand that apache2-default. Can I delete that folder and put my files in the /var/www/
[12:10] <marcellus> Does anyone know where one can find a "transcode" package?
[12:12] <marcellus> Tyche: look at /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[12:13] <mAIJK> How do I do to install Torsmo? Running KDE @ ubuntu
[12:15] <marcellus> apt-get install torsmo ?
[12:16] <mAIJK> Couldn't find package torsmo
[12:16] <mAIJK> It said
[12:17] <cardador> mAIJK: use synaptic. go to computer > syst conf > synaptic
[12:18] <intinig> what user does apache2 run as?
[12:18] <Tyche> scizzo - jbroome: don't ask...but, it helps if you type in the right ip address to the apache server. =)
[12:18] <mAIJK> cardador, Can't find it there either :(
[12:19] <Tyche> scizzo - jbroome: mine and the server are 1 off and I was typing the ip address for the machine that I was on.... duh.
[12:20] <marcellus> mAIJK: what does  apt-cache search torsmo  say
[12:20] <mAIJK> nothing
[12:23] <mAIJK> I have installed webmin for samba, how do I start it? localhost and a port # or what? ;)
[12:23] <cardador> mAIJK: do you know how to had universe to your repository?
[12:24] <Tyche> cardador: I have universe and marilatt and searched for torsmo and it didn't come up.
[12:24] <crunchie> hey peeps, just installed ubuntu 4.10 ;)
[12:24] <mAIJK> cardador, I fixxed that yesterday when I used fluxbox.
[12:25] <cardador> Tyche: and do you have multiverse?
[12:25] <crunchie> am i right in thinking its not optimised for my athlon XP until i upgrade the kernel to a 686 kernel?
[12:30] <Tzigane> Hi =)
[12:30] <Tzigane> Does anyone know how to re-enable xft for epiphany/firefox in Hoary?
[12:31] <Tzigane> Also.. How about that missing typeahead feature in Epiphany?  Any way to restore it?
[12:33] <Tzigane> Nice... Looks like gaim's still crashing
[12:34] <Tzigane> Did anyone answer?  I missed it =)
[12:35] <JanC> Tzigane: nobody answered  :)
[12:35] <Tzigane> JanC: Okay =)
[12:37] <confrey> hi everybody
[12:38] <Tzigane> Hi =)
[12:38] <confrey> how can I obtain debian menu in gnome menu? is it possible? the menu package is installed, I'd like to see all menu debian's voices in my  gnome menu
[12:39] <Tzigane> confrey: Not sure, I'm afraid
[12:39] <Tzigane> jdub: Hi =)
[12:39] <dataw0lf|w> hello everyone.
[12:40] <jdub> morning
[12:40] <arthur> wxPython isn't present on Ubuntu?
[12:41] <Tzigane> jdub: How go things in the high-and-mighty world of Ubuntu's employment?
[12:42] <trans_err> I need to make a DOS boot disk on a CD and to include a BIOS updater, any hints?
[12:42] <trans_err> Any known ISOs?
[12:43] <crunchie> trans_err, http://www.bootdisk.com/
[12:45] <BockBilbo> does warty installation cd have a rescue mode?
[12:45] <BockBilbo> ??
[12:46] <Tzigane> BockBilbo: You can sorta use something rescue-ish if you switch to another vt
[12:46] <BockBilbo> Tzigane, whats is vt?
[12:46] <BockBilbo> :S
[12:46] <snerfu> alt_f2
[12:46] <BockBilbo> see.. i just need to repair grub
[12:46] <Tzigane> Virtual terminal =) Use alt-F2
[12:46] <snerfu> err +
[12:46] <BockBilbo> :)
[12:46] <BockBilbo> ohh
[12:47] <Tzigane> Or f3
[12:47] <Tzigane> or 4
[12:47] <Tzigane> Whatever works =)
[12:47] <BockBilbo> ohh
[12:47] <confrey> how can I obtain debian menu in gnome menu? is it possible? the menu package is installed, I'd like to see all menu debian's voices in my  gnome menu
[12:48] <BockBilbo> Tzigane, and how do i restore grub using the vt??
[12:48] <Tzigane> BockBilbo: Well, once you're there, do something like...
[12:48] <Tzigane> BockBilbo: mkdir /target; mount /dev/hda# /target; cd /target; chroot .;
[12:49] <trans_err> does ubuntu include a loop device? mount -t vfat -o loop SOME.IMG /mnt reports a lack of /dev/loop#
[12:49] <Tzigane> (Where the # is the partition number of your root device)
[12:49] <Tzigane> Then you can use that system to fix it
[12:50] <Tzigane> trans_err: modprobe loop
[12:50] <Kamion> trans_err: modprobe loop
[12:50] <Tzigane> Hehe
[12:50] <trans_err> got it
[12:50] <trans_err> thanks
[12:50] <BockBilbo> thanks Tzigane
[12:50] <BockBilbo> i guess once i do that
[12:50] <mAIJK> I cant't change etc/apt/sources.list. no permissions, how should i do??
[12:50] <BockBilbo> i will have to execute update-grub
[12:50] <BockBilbo> right??
[12:50] <Tzigane> mAIJK: Use sudo
[12:50] <Tzigane> BockBilbo: That's right
[12:50] <mAIJK> i use kde
[12:51] <mAIJK> sudo is an unknown command
[12:51] <mAIJK> ;)
[12:51] <Tzigane> mAIJK: Bring up a terminal, type 'sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list' :P
[12:51] <BockBilbo> ok
[12:51] <BockBilbo> brb
[12:52] <mAIJK> sudo vi /etc/apt/sorces.list
[12:52] <confrey> bye to everybody... sleeping..
[12:54] <mAIJK> Tzigane, unkown command. I run KDE, sudo won't work then?
[12:55] <mAIJK> su instead?
[12:55] <Riddell> mAIJK: sudo will work on the command line fine
[12:56] <monoxide> hi everyone, i have been trying to install ubuntu, but the installer seems to stop loading...
[12:56] <gen> at what point
[12:56] <mAIJK> vi: command not found
[12:57] <monoxide> RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
[12:57] <farruinn> mAIJK: use vim, if /usr/bin/vi exists it just points to vim anyway
[12:57] <gen> monoxide, sounds like a definite bad burn
[12:57] <gen> did you md5sum the cd and match up
[12:57] <monoxide> no, but it is an orig cd
[12:58] <gen> still sounds like a bad copy for sure
[12:58] <monoxide> :(
[12:58] <monoxide> well im on dialup, so i cant download the cd...
[12:58] <gen> only have 1 cd?
[12:58] <monoxide> 2, the install cd and the live cd
[12:58] <gen> live work ok?
[12:58] <crunchie> im trying to install the nvidia nforce audio driver,but it needs kernel source installed, so i did but it still cant find it?any ideas?
[12:58] <candyman_> I am using an ubuntu installation in English, having configured the keyboard as Spanish (I have sundeadkeys and Eliminate Deadkeys)
[12:59] <candyman_> But I still get no accents
[12:59] <candyman_> ee works fine though
[12:59] <monoxide> i havn't tried on the computer i am trying to install on, but yes it does work
[12:59] <gen> you should try on the one you are attempting to install to also
[12:59] <monoxide> ok, will do that now
[01:00] <gen> if you want i can send you a copy (burned) that will work fine guaranteed
[01:00] <gen> of the i386 version
[01:01] <Bait-Fish> Hello all. You've got a *nix/ubuntu newbie here looking for some help.  I've been looking for info on how to mount a ramdisk to use for a Squid cache instead of a hard drive.  Running Ubuntu v2.5.x.  Any pointers?
[01:02] <monoxide> well the live cd wont work on it either... hangs just after loading GRUB
[01:02] <candyman_> any #ubuntu-er with Spanish keyboarding but English setup?
[01:03] <gen> monoxide, odd. what kind of hardware
[01:03] <monoxide> but i checked the memory and it only has 16MB and the installer says it need 32MB... :(
[01:03] <monoxide> its only and old 486
[01:03] <gen> yikes...no way
[01:03] <monoxide> lol
[01:03] <gen> definite wrong distro for that
[01:03] <monoxide> just an old box i had lying around that i thought i would test it on
[01:04] <thully> I have a question - what sound server does Ubuntu hoary use currently?
[01:04] <monoxide> thats not the box i wanted to install it on finnaly... but i suppose i cant even test it on that
[01:04] <gen> monoxide, can't really help you. that hardware is too old
[01:04] <monoxide> yea.
[01:04] <monoxide> oh well
[01:04] <gen> thully, xorg
[01:04] <Tyche> cardador: What is multiverse? Different from Universe.
[01:05] <monoxide> hmm... oh well suppose il have to install it on the p4 and whatever happens happens.
[01:05] <monoxide> thanks anyway :)
[01:05] <gen> yep.
[01:06] <trans_err> how can I force the agpgart module to NOT load at boot?
[01:07] <monoxide> multiverse is many universes existing side by side.... at least im fairly sure thats right
[01:07] <cardador> Tyche: it has some extra packages that are not on universe
[01:09] <Bait-Fish> Any tips on setting up a ramdisk in Warty? ;-)
[01:09] <ubhuti> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!
[01:10] <JanC> ubhuti : and now call the doctor ?  :-p
[01:10] <ubhuti> JanC: Parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[01:10] <mAIJK> su, then "vim /etc/apt/sources.list" -- vim is installed.. Command not found it say
[01:11] <Tyche> cardador: Is that on wiki to setup? or is it the same as universe, just multiverse?
[01:12] <candyman_> aaeoi  ieoamiguito
[01:12] <candyman_> damn
[01:13] <Tyche> cardador: No worries...got it working.
[01:14] <Tyche> What is the best way to have a graphical remote of my ubuntu server?
[01:16] <farruinn> Tyche: I believe that xnest is what you're looking for, but I don't know much about it
[01:16] <jbroome> Tyche: vnc over ssh?
[01:16] <toxickore> mako: what's up dude!
[01:16] <mAIJK> I have installed webmin for samba, how do I start it? localhost and a port # or what? ;)
[01:17] <jbroome> localhost:10000
[01:17] <thully> I was asking what sound server Ubuntu hoary uses - not what X server
[01:18] <wasabi> Is there a file on ubuntu someplace to say that it is ubuntu
[01:18] <wasabi> and what the dist is?
[01:18] <wasabi> such as /etc/debian_version
[01:19] <xevil> is anyone else having problems with USB periphials working only on an intermittent basis?  For example my scanner will work one minute, then 30 minutes later I'll get an IO error when I try to use it... this is with 2.6.8 kernel
[01:19] <Kosai> wasabi: /etc/issue.net does that for me, but doesn't seem very reliable.
[01:22] <toxickore> which one is the ubuntu's root password?
[01:22] <scizzo> toxickore: there is no root user
[01:22] <scizzo> toxickore: the installation tells you to use sudo
[01:22] <scizzo> toxickore: sudo apt-get install something
[01:22] <symoon> toxickore, the same as the first registred suer
[01:22] <jbroome> as does the FAQ
[01:22] <symoon> user
[01:22] <toxickore> symoon: ohhhhh i see...
[01:23] <scizzo> symoon: what?
[01:23] <symoon> "the same"
[01:23] <symoon> i mean sudo
[01:23] <mAIJK> lol,I typed in the wrong pw when I should connect to webmin so now i get acces denied for localhost :o
[01:23] <symoon> sudo asks you the first registred user pass
[01:23] <__learner__> can tell me a good ftp client for ubuntu.
[01:23] <Readis> There is a root user, but you need bring it out from the background
[01:23] <Kosai> __learner__: gftp.
[01:23] <jbroome> gftp is nice
[01:23] <scizzo> __learner__: lftp
[01:23] <__learner__> tx
[01:24] <thully> does anybody know what the current gnome sound server in hoary is?  has it been changed in the last few weeks?
[01:24] <scizzo> __learner__: learn lftp...trust me..you will like it when you learn how to use it
[01:24] <symoon> is there a issue with localized firefox packets ?
[01:24] <__learner__> I want an easy prog.
[01:24] <scizzo> __learner__: lftp is easy
[01:24] <symoon> i installed the rigth one, but interface is still in english
[01:24] <Readis> I use the cmd prompt ftp... its easy...
[01:24] <Tyche> farruinn & jbroome: What would be the ideal way to do it?
[01:25] <__learner__> a very easy one. I just need to upload and download some files from one server.
[01:25] <scizzo> __learner__: lftp is easy and powerful
[01:25] <scizzo> __learner__: lftp -u username -p port address
[01:25] <scizzo> __learner__: type in the password
[01:25] <symoon> maybe you mean graphical by easy
[01:25] <__learner__> does lftp has a gui?
[01:25] <symoon> or ever lftp user:pass@server
[01:25] <scizzo> __learner__: no...
[01:25] <symoon> even
[01:26] <__learner__> yes, GUI's make everything easyer.
[01:26] <scizzo> __learner__: you don't need gui
[01:26] <scizzo> __learner__: why would a gui be easier?
[01:26] <__learner__> I know I don't need, but I like them.
[01:26] <scizzo> __learner__: have you even tried lftp ?
[01:26] <farruinn> Tyche: I don't know how, but if you post to the ubuntu-users list I know there's someone that does exactly what you're talking about
[01:26] <__learner__> because I would just drag and drop files to and from the server
[01:26] <symoon> are firefox localisation packages working ?
[01:26] <__learner__> no, but I will.
[01:26] <Readis> YOu could see if Bear is avalible for ftp...
[01:27] <crunchie> anyone else here have nforce2 audio in ubuntu?
[01:27] <symoon> __learner__, you can use the ftp mode of gnome
[01:27] <__learner__> how can I do that?
[01:27] <scizzo> __learner__: so...drag and drop is more trustful then typing: put filename or even get filename
[01:27] <__learner__> it's just easyer.
[01:27] <symoon> __learner__, file / connect to a server
[01:27] <TTilus> warty installed happily but when login screen was supposed to appear, I only got rubbish on the screen
[01:28] <TTilus> mouse cursor is there and moves fine
[01:28] <TTilus> how do I get console?
[01:28] <symoon> TTilus, my dad had the same issue
[01:28] <symoon> TTilus, ctrl alt f1
[01:28] <symoon> he had to do upgrades
[01:28] <__learner__> I think gptpo will do the job for me.
[01:28] <TTilus> symoon: tried, no response
[01:29] <__learner__> gftp, not gptpo
[01:29] <TTilus> symoon: upgrades on sw or hw?
[01:29] <symoon> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:29] <symoon> ubuntu setup propose to upgrade
[01:30] <toxickore> how can i start my network card?
[01:30] <toxickore> i get some permission denied messages
[01:30] <scizzo> toxickore: sudo ifup ethX
[01:30] <TTilus> toxickore: remember sudo
[01:30] <toxickore> TTilus:
[01:30] <toxickore> TTilus: the problem is that i don't know how to use sudo
[01:31] <TTilus> toxickore: console window
[01:31] <symoon> toxickore, sudo 'what you wanted to type as root'
[01:31] <scizzo> toxickore: sudo....put it like this "su do"
[01:31] <TTilus> toxickore: prefix commands with "sudo"
[01:31] <toxickore> TTilus: oh... then that's easy
[01:31] <toxickore> scizzo: thanks
[01:31] <scizzo> sudo - execute a command as another user
[01:31] <symoon> HELP are firefox localisation packages working ?
[01:32] <crunchie> how can i tell which alias ubuntu uses for my sound card?
[01:32] <TTilus> I'm still at the starting point
[01:32] <TTilus> how to get console
[01:32] <TTilus> ctrl-alt-f1 doesnt help
[01:32] <symoon> TTilus, Ctrl+Alt+F[1..6] 
[01:32] <scizzo> TTilus: Ctrl+Alt+F1
[01:32] <scizzo> TTilus: F7 is X
[01:32] <scizzo> 1 - 6 is console
[01:33] <scizzo> at least standard
[01:33] <TTilus> yes, I'm aware of that, I'm not complete newbie
[01:33] <toxickore> damn.. Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[01:33] <TTilus> It just doesn't work
[01:33] <farruinn> TTilus, did you install openssh-server on the machine?
[01:34] <symoon> toxickore, dmesg | grep eth0
[01:34] <symoon> in order to check your nic has been identified
[01:34] <farruinn> TTilus: if you did you could ssh into it
[01:34] <toxickore> it's identified
[01:34] <TTilus> farruinn: don't have network on that yet :(
[01:34] <farruinn> TTilus: ok
[01:34] <toxickore> symoon: it is identified as eth0
[01:35] <saintshakajin> hi all
[01:35] <__learner__> gftp is great. Have a very nice feature: comparing windows. It compares your local files and the remote files. And tell you what files are different or missing etc. Thats exactly what I needed to update a site. Tx a lot people!
[01:35] <jbroome> yup
[01:35] <symoon> :)
[01:35] <Tyche> mAIJK: You there still?
[01:35] <GotD0t> ahh, im in a bind... i have a project that i commited to at the beginning of the semester for my history class and i said i was going to make a computer game. i was planning on using VB because its very easy to make a decent looking GUI in a few minutes, but now i don't have windows on my comp at all which makes development a tad difficult. anybody know of any language that i can develop in linux with a quick and easy gui tool?
[01:35] <saintshakajin> someone is using backports with its Warty?
[01:35] <TTilus> Can I do some jitterburg during boot and have ubuntu _not_ try to start X?
[01:36] <mAIJK> Tyche, yes?
[01:36] <Riddell> GotD0t: kdevelop and ruby
[01:36] <symoon> toxickore, try to install etherconf
[01:36] <symoon> then launch it
[01:36] <toxickore> symoon: okay dude
[01:36] <Tyche> mAIJK: I just installed webmin and was wondering what the default user/password is. I have tried all sorts of combos and it isn't letting m.e
[01:36] <GotD0t> Riddell: could i run it from an Ubuntu LiveCD?
[01:37] <scizzo> GotD0t: anjuta
[01:37] <GotD0t> scizzo: whats that?
[01:37] <Tyche> mAIJK: Just trying to get into it now, I think I have been blocked.
[01:37] <mAIJK> Tyche, I got Error - Access denied for 127.0.0.1 because I typed wrong 3 times
[01:37] <Riddell> GotD0t: nope
[01:37] <GotD0t> Riddell: darn
[01:37] <scizzo> http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/
[01:38] <GotD0t> scizzo: thanks
[01:38] <Tyche> mAIJK: LOL, me too.
[01:38] <big> so i got
[01:38] <big> http://www.homestarrunner.com/main2.html
[01:39] <__learner__> can I use Kdevelop under Gnome?
[01:39] <jdub> __learner__: sure
[01:39] <Quest-Master> __learner__: Anjuta is much better than KDevelop.. trust me
[01:40] <toxickore> scizzo: how do i install the package from the cd
[01:40] <__learner__> jdub, some guys told me it wasn't possible.
[01:40] <big> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/doodoocaca.php
[01:40] <symoon> shame on me... a firefox window was still opened...
[01:40] <__learner__> Anjuta. Does it have a GUI designer? I just love borland C++ Builder GUI.
[01:40] <Quest-Master> It has almost the exact same amount of features, and KDevelop is really slow
[01:40] <symoon> __learner__, it uses glade i think
[01:40] <big> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/noises.php
[01:40] <Quest-Master> __learner: You can use Glade for that, yeah.
[01:40] <__learner__> what is glade?
[01:40] <big> ??
[01:40] <Quest-Master> __learner__: GUI designer.
[01:40] <yorkomo> pardon me, but where can I find the ubuntu background with the topless ladies and dude?
[01:41] <__learner__> I'll read a little abou t it. talk to you soon.
[01:41] <Quest-Master> __learner__: If you are intent on using KDevelop, just apt-get for it. It'll install the kde-libs and base itself.
[01:41] <JanC> yorkomo: ubuntu-calendar
[01:41] <big> http://www.stateofoddity.com/index.php?page=pages/cartoons/cartoonseveryone
[01:41] <__learner__> what about anjuta. can it be installed via apt?
[01:41] <Quest-Master> Sure, __learner
[01:41] <big> ??
[01:41] <farruinn> yorkomo: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[01:42] <jbroome> __learner__: apt-cache search anjunta
[01:42] <GotD0t> can i run an app developed in anjuta from a LiveCD?
[01:42] <big> me?
[01:43] <farruinn> is big a bot?
[01:43] <big> ty
[01:43] <Quest-Master> GotD0t: Probably not. Why not do an HD-install?
[01:43] <__learner__> I tried eclipse, but I didn't like it. It is actually very slow on my system. And I couldn't understand the pugins system very well.
[01:43] <Quest-Master> GotD0t: You can try though.
[01:43] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: because i have to run it from a school computer...
[01:43] <Quest-Master> __learner: I didn't like Eclipse either.
[01:44] <Quest-Master> GotD0t: No idea then, sorry. :(
[01:45] <toxickore> scizzo: ready.... my network is up
[01:45] <toxickore> scizzo: it was just a matter of making ifcon etho up && dhclient
[01:47] <scizzo> toxickore: aa...ok
[01:48] <Readis> Tyche: If it has not been answered yet, there is a HOWTO in the forums that shows how to get webmin running
[01:48] <__learner__> what do you recommend, anjuta or Kdevelop? For a begginer in linux (not in programming or C++) like me. Used to Windows Visual programming tools. (AKA borland C++ Builder/ C++ delphi)
[01:48] <yorkomo> farruinn, that doesn't seem to work :(
[01:49] <farruinn> sudo apt-get ubuntu-calendar ?
[01:49] <Readis> sudo apt-get install ...
[01:49] <farruinn> right, that
[01:49] <yorkomo> hrm
[01:49] <yorkomo> wait, trying with synapic
[01:50] <farruinn> anyway, however you install it, the package is ubuntu-calendar
[01:50] <__learner__> what about vdkbuilder. Have you heard of it? Looks pretty like BCB.
[01:50] <Readis> sudo apt-get install <packagename>
[01:50] <yorkomo> riiight
[01:50] <yorkomo> thanks all for the help
[01:50] <yorkomo> and how do I run it now?
[01:50] <gen> bob the builder
[01:50] <JanC> just select it as default background
[01:50] <symoon> yorkomo, right click in backgrond
[01:51] <symoon> set background
[01:51] <JanC> and don't forget to update it every month  ;-)
[01:51] <yorkomo> ahhhh
[01:51] <yorkomo> I see
[01:51] <yorkomo> hawt
[01:52] <scizzo> night all
[01:52] <symoon> good night
[01:53] <Readis> later
[01:54] <TTilus> now i got it, ESC to get to grub menu and select "recovery mode"
[01:54] <warty> hey all. I installed XP again and it overwrote grub. I've mounted my warty partition from the livecd, now how do I reinstall grub?
[01:54] <pepsi> whorey
[01:55] <bur[n] er> mrwarty: chroot to your ubuntu install
[01:55] <bur[n] er> and run grub-install again
[01:57] <mrwarty> hrmm it's having problems
[01:57] <mrwarty> I did a mount -o bind /proc /mnt/warty/proc
[01:57] <mrwarty> but i still get permission denied to /dev/null
[01:57] <yorkomo> is there a place i can go where it will tell me where to find dependencies?
[01:58] <yorkomo> mplayer-k6:
[01:58] <yorkomo>   Depends: libartsc0 but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed
[01:58] <yorkomo>   Depends: libfribidi0 but 0.10.4-3 is to be installed
[01:58] <yorkomo>   Depends: libggi2 but 1:2.0.4-3 is to be installed
[01:58] <yorkomo>   Depends: libpng12-0 but 1.2.5.0-7ubuntu1 is to be installed
[01:58] <yorkomo>   Depends: libungif4g but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[01:58] <yorkomo> I don't know where to find these at
[01:58] <jbroome> apt-get didn't/wouldn't pull them in for you?
[01:58] <Quest-Master> Why mplayer-k6?
[01:58] <yorkomo> no
[01:58] <yorkomo> Quest-Master, because I have an amd athlon xp in the system
[01:58] <mrwarty> burner: any ideas?
[01:58] <symoon> yorkomo, which line did you add in you sources.list ?
[01:59] <yorkomo> is that not right?
[01:59] <Quest-Master> Oh
[01:59] <bur[n] er> /dev/null???
[01:59] <jbroome> athlons are k7s i think
[01:59] <bur[n] er> wtf you need that for?
[01:59] <yorkomo> symoon, I did it through synaptic
[01:59] <Quest-Master> sudo apt-get update
[01:59] <symoon> ya but which line ?
[01:59] <Quest-Master> Did you do that yorkomo?
[01:59] <symoon> beaceuse mplayer is not present in ubuntu
[01:59] <Quest-Master> After adding the sources through Synaptic?
[01:59] <bam> any ideas on if there's a way to install ubuntu with being able to boot from CD ?
[01:59] <pusling> how much discspace does a minimum ubuntu need?
[02:00] <symoon> 2go
[02:00] <bur[n] er> mrwarty: just chroot to /dev/hda1 (or whatever is /) and then run grub-install /dev/hda1 (or whatever is /)
[02:00] <thenuke> the normal install takes about 2gigs
[02:00] <yorkomo> Quest-Master, yeah, I updated...
[02:00] <symoon> 2GB sorry (french habits)
[02:00] <yorkomo> I thought I did
[02:00] <vladster> I an currently downloading ubuntu for testing purposes, can anyone give me the skinny on it?
[02:00] <yorkomo> doesn't reload update them?
[02:00] <mrwarty> i'm still getting permission denied
[02:00] <symoon> but with 2GO, there is little place left
[02:00] <mrwarty> and /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
[02:01] <yorkomo> ok
[02:01] <yorkomo> did the apt-get update
[02:01] <yorkomo> still can't find those dependencies
[02:01] <pusling> symoon: okay.. Have made a 2 gig file to test a program called qemu (a vmware lookalike, but gpl)
[02:02] <Quest-Master> There's another VMware lookalike, Bochs, but it runs WinXP like crap
[02:02] <symoon> exactly 1.8GB
[02:03] <mrwarty> doh im a moron
[02:03] <mrwarty> i mounted proc instead of dev ;)
[02:03] <bur[n] er> rright
[02:03] <mrwarty> thanks
[02:03] <bur[n] er> what livecd are you using?
[02:03] <mrwarty> warty
[02:03] <bur[n] er> you can prolly just do 'mount /dev/hda1'
[02:03] <bur[n] er> i've never used it ;)
[02:03] <bur[n] er> but it's based on morphix... 'sudo su' to become root
[02:04] <bur[n] er> then 'mount /dev/hda1'
[02:04] <mrwarty> burner: no, it needs access to /dev/null
[02:04] <mrwarty> so you have to bind the chroots dev to the livecds dev
[02:05] <thully> how do you add files to a burned CD-R in Ubuntu using nautilus-cd-burner?
[02:05] <vladster> will ubuntu work on a Asus Terminator K7 with an athlon t-bird 1.333MHz with 512 megs of ram?
[02:05] <pusling> vladster: probably - almost certain
[02:06] <bur[n] er> u do?
[02:06] <bur[n] er> odd
[02:06] <bur[n] er> i've never had to do that before, but whatever works
[02:06] <vladster> I had a hard time getting the raw debian install to see the onboard video chip
[02:06] <TTilus> vladster: could be that every bit and piece of the hw is not supported but it really should work
[02:07] <vladster> I got gentoo to work on it but I was wondering since the power is relativly low that I could use flux as the window manager
[02:08] <thully> any clue w/adding files to a CD?
[02:08] <vladster> Trying to keep the resources relatively lean
[02:09] <ssam> is there a way to remove a package without removing everything that depends on it?
[02:09] <symoon> why ?
[02:10] <pusling> vladster: then why are you changing to ubuntu with gnome and ...
[02:10] <symoon> note : ubuntu-base is only a meta-package
[02:10] <ssam> i want to build gstreamer from source
[02:10] <vladster> also is the version of sudo that is bundled with functional, the version that is with gentoo is crippled and will not work
[02:10] <symoon> ah y
[02:10] <ssam> to get aac working
[02:10] <symoon> i don't remember exactly
[02:10] <mojo> the new nvidia-glx and nvidia-common does not fix 686 segfault issue, any got it worked?
[02:10] <symoon> but i known there is a way to create dummy packages
[02:11] <symoon> whose role is only to satisfy dependencies
[02:11] <ssam> but synaptic wants to remove things like gnome-panel
[02:11] <vladster> I have been getting the same seg error messages in unreal tournament
[02:11] <ssam> is there a nodeps option like rpm
[02:11] <mojo> ssam: if I were u, I just download the src package, edit the dsc and remove the dep, then make the deb package from it, easy
[02:12] <mojo> ssam: yes there is, I just cant remember it, please ask 'pitti' , he knos
[02:12] <mojo> ssam: yes there is, I just cant remember it, please ask 'pitti' , he knows
[02:13] <ssam> how do i get the src package? (new to the debian style of doing stuff)
[02:14] <vladster> set up your apt_get repository to get the source repositories
[02:15] <vladster> I forgot where it is , I dont have my server booted up
[02:16] <vladster> God that thing is loud, I think one or two of the fans are going
[02:16] <ssam> in the repositorys setting in synaptic i have the deb-src ones ticked
[02:16] <ssam> i have a silent via mini itx
[02:17] <vladster> I have an old bx stuffed in a pavillion case with 4 fans
[02:17] <__learner__> I'll try anjuta
[02:17] <vladster> Learner?
[02:18] <vladster> and in the tp learner
[02:18] <vladster> as in*
[02:18] <ssam> after having a fanless imac its hard to tolerate to much noise
[02:18] <symoon> ssam, turn off your fans ;p
[02:19] <vladster> I have eight hard drives in my server
[02:19] <__learner__> wow
[02:19] <vladster> four scsi
[02:19] <ssam> i dont have any :-)
[02:19] <vladster> I have to get rid of the heat
[02:19] <arctick> anyone know what the deal with snes9x is? i try to install the frontend and it says snes9x is not installable
[02:19] <__learner__> I have one poor Hd on my local machine. And I have no server...
[02:20] <__learner__> I had the same problem with snes9x. I installed zsnes and it worked perfectly.
[02:20] <vladster> I have two desktops running and one server and a firewall
[02:21] <jbroome> two servers, two desktops and a laptop
[02:21] <__learner__> my snes9x is commandline only. Hey, Do you know how to install GBA emulator on ubuntu?
[02:21] <jbroome> the noise-cancelling headphones help. :)
[02:21] <ssam> headless mini itx, powerbook, wireless network
[02:23] <vladster> learner: you ever play terminus?
[02:23] <arctick> any good linux programs for gba?
[02:23] <arctick> emulators that is
[02:23] <ssam> is terminus a space sim?
[02:23] <vladster> yup
[02:24] <vladster> been active on the terminus point server for almost five years
[02:24] <Kamion> mojo: the new nvidia-* is just a sync to newer kernel version, not much in the way of functional change
[02:24] <big> ho need help?
[02:25] <ssam> i played that ages ago, it was quite fun
[02:25] <buns> installing realplayer but missing some lib files : libgtk-x11-2.0.so, libatk-1.0.so, libpango-.1.0.so, libpangorx-1.0.so. What package do I need to instal to get the missing lib
[02:25] <vladster> cait is still active
[02:26] <vladster> I play as a pirate
[02:26] <vladster> known as captain blood
[02:26] <jbroome> arrrrr
[02:26] <vladster> the point version server you can build bases now
[02:27] <arctick> how does bochs compare to vmware?
[02:27] <crunch> ubuntu has suddenly started freezin at hotplug :( is there a log that i can look at to see why?
[02:27] <vladster> Most of the time I am busting dust bunnies all over the place until they swarm on me
[02:28] <ssam> crunch, does unplugging all your usb stuff help?
[02:28] <symoon> arctick, as far i remember, vmware is a virtualizer, bochs a emulator
[02:28] <vladster> ssam: go to http://www.terminuspoint.com and get the skinny
[02:28] <vladster> there is also a forum site as well
[02:29] <crunch> ssam, only usb is a mouse, it was fine before has just suddenly started hanging after a reboot
[02:29] <ssam> if i unplug my mouse and keyboard then the boot completes
[02:29] <symoon> can somebody confirm the grub version of warty is not up to date in order to use splashimage ?
[02:30] <crunch> i'l give it a go, if it works, see u in 3 ;)
[02:30] <matlads> hello, any chance that ubuntu will release update cds for warty?
[02:31] <Readis> You will probably be able to do it with an apt-get later on...
[02:32] <matlads> i have several machines that are offline, and that cd comes in very handy
[02:32] <__learner__> can I use GRUB in graphic mode. I have seen some distros using that and I think it is very cool.
[02:32] <ssam> the installer gets updates if it can find a network (found my wireless)
[02:33] <symoon> __learner__, i have the same question :)
[02:33] <symoon> apparently no : http://sleepybuddha.sl.funpic.de/ubuntu/ :(
[02:33] <matlads> the last I checked, the updates alone are nearly 400MB. It would be cool if these were on an update cd
[02:33] <Quest-Master> __learner: That is cool.
[02:34] <Quest-Master> I wish Ubuntu could do that.
[02:34] <surrounder> hi all, I was wondering if there is a way to remove ipv6 support...it causes for example firefox to resolve very slowly even if I disable it in firefox...
[02:34] <Quest-Master> You should ask for it in the next release.
[02:34] <jbroome> Has anyone had ubuntu *not* be able to find the boot loader after the first reboot after install?
[02:34] <matlads> does anyone know how I can make such an update cd myself?
[02:34] <Quest-Master> Nope.
[02:34] <jbroome> I'll probably swap out the drive to see if that has anything to do with it
[02:34] <matlads> jbroome, not for me
[02:34] <vladster> updates can be done while you sleep if you don't have a broadband connection
[02:35] <ssam> can you do one machine and find the files in the cache somewere
[02:35] <ssam> somewhere
[02:35] <matlads> ssam, yes I can
[02:35] <ssam> and then copy them to the cache of the other machines
[02:35] <vladster> You can also update without installing specifying the directory as the repositiry
[02:36] <jbroome> agreed
[02:36] <matlads> vladster, how do I do that?
[02:37] <vladster> hold on a sec while I check the server
[02:38] <vladster> do apt-get update -d
[02:38] <vladster> I think that is the syntax
[02:39] <surrounder> no way to remove ipv6 completely?
[02:39] <vladster> or apt-get -d update
[02:39] <cthompson> anyone have a suggestion of the best way to install ubuntu on a laptop that has no ability to boot from a CD?
[02:39] <cthompson> it's currently running Gentoo
[02:40] <vladster> apt-get remove ipv6
[02:40] <tuppa> apt-get install sneakernet
[02:40] <matlads> vladster,  update -d will just download the updates
[02:40] <ficusplanet> I've been hearing something about the ubuntu devs not liking NetworkManager for some implementation reasons.  Is it completely ruled out (I noticed that netapplet is in hoary)?  What are the problems with it?
[02:40] <vladster> that is what he wants
[02:41] <Kamion> ficusplanet: see the wiki I think; start from ConfAgenda and look for the discussion on network configuration
[02:41] <vladster> I have ndone net boot floppys to a shared cd rom drive
[02:41] <Kamion> we did decide against NetworkManager for hoary in that discussion
[02:41] <crunch> i think my hotplug is hanging due to soundcard, how can i disable it?
[02:41] <vladster> that works pretty well for debian and should for ubuntu
[02:42] <vladster> almos time for the linux show
[02:43] <rattboi> anyone know why I'm getting GPG errors in synaptic
[02:43] <rattboi> ?
[02:43] <ficusplanet> Kamion, I found this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkMagic.  But I still don't know what the problem is with the implementation.
[02:43] <crunch> hmm i edited modules.conf to add alias snd-slot-0 nvsound          but now that entry has dissapeared yet the module still gets loaded?
[02:43] <ficusplanet> Kamion, Is it the separate dhcp client and the now using ifup/down?
[02:44] <vladster> http://www.thelinuxshow.com
[02:45] <Quest-Master> vladster: Is the show on right now?
[02:45] <vladster> in fifteen minutes I hope
[02:45] <Quest-Master> yay
[02:46] <infie> Anyone know how I would find out the config.h file that was used to compile a particular package in ubuntu warty?
[02:46] <jbroome> vladster: Website says no show tonight.  join them for final show next week
[02:46] <Quest-Master> Oh
[02:46] <jbroome> feel free to hang around IRC, they'll try to stop by
[02:46] <Quest-Master> No show tonight :(
[02:47] <vladster> crappola
[02:53] <crunch> does hotplug have its own modprobe.conf style configfile somewhere?
[02:58] <surrounder> hi all, I was wondering if there is a way to remove ipv6 support...it causes for example firefox to resolve very slowly even if I disable it in firefox...
[02:59] <Cloudchaser> there's info on that in the ubuntu how-to i think
[02:59] <Cloudchaser> or in the wiki
[03:01] <Cloudchaser> http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/
[03:01] <Vigilanty> hey, anybody know how to get a dvd burner to work with ubuntu?
[03:01] <surrounder> Cloudchaser: searching it now...only saw info on how to remove it in firefox but I already did that...
[03:02] <Cloudchaser>    1.  Read General Notes
[03:02] <Cloudchaser>    2. Applications -> Internet -> Mozilla Firefox
[03:02] <Cloudchaser>    3. Mozilla Firefox
[03:02] <Cloudchaser>       Address Bar -> about:config
[03:02] <Cloudchaser>       Filter: -> network.dns.disableIPv6 -> Change the Value to true (Double click)
[03:03] <Cloudchaser> oh sorry
[03:03] <Cloudchaser> missed what you said
[03:03] <Vigilanty> how to get a dvd burner workin on ubuntu?
[03:04] <Cloudchaser> Vigilanty, did you check the ubuntu how-to for more info?
[03:05] <surrounder> Cloudchaser: really want to remove ipv6, added it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist but it still gets loaded...
[03:05] <IcE-bOy> hi
[03:05] <IcE-bOy> what is the last ubuntu version ?
[03:05] <IcE-bOy> is 4.10 ?
[03:05] <arctick> yeah
[03:05] <matlads> apt-move is cool!
[03:06] <TTilus> dammit, still aint got no X
[03:06] <arctick> what does it do?
[03:06] <TTilus> rubbish
[03:07] <matlads> it creates a debian mirror for you using the packages apt has downloaded
[03:07] <Cloudchaser> surrounder, maybe in the ubuntu forums there's more info
[03:07] <TTilus> ive got radeon 9200SE
[03:07] <arctick> nice
[03:07] <RuffianSoldier> I have the non SE
[03:07] <TTilus> driver "ati" was detected
[03:07] <RuffianSoldier> SE isnt as goot
[03:07] <TTilus> RuffianSoldier: maybe
[03:07] <RuffianSoldier> its true
[03:07] <Cloudchaser> 1. sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases (or your preferred text editor)
[03:07] <Cloudchaser> 2. Find the line: alias net-pf-10 ipv6
[03:07] <Cloudchaser> 3. Edit this to: alias net-pf-10 off
[03:07] <Cloudchaser> 4. Save the file and reboot
[03:08] <RuffianSoldier> im a hard core gamer
[03:08] <matlads> arctick, now I can easily make update cds for offline machines, by just burning the mirror it creates
[03:08] <matlads> arctick, to cd
[03:08] <TTilus> RuffianSoldier: and i dont play...  :)
[03:08] <Cloudchaser> surrounder i found that in the forums aobut disabling ipv6
[03:08] <RuffianSoldier> ido
[03:08] <TTilus> whatever
[03:08] <crunch> 9200Se only has half the pipelines
[03:08] <Cloudchaser> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6841&highlight=IPV6
[03:08] <Cloudchaser> there's a link for more info
[03:09] <Vigilanty> what games u like RuffianSoldier?
[03:09] <TTilus> with "ati" driver it locks keyboard and displays rubbish, mouse cursor is visible and movable
[03:09] <RuffianSoldier> FPS
[03:09] <Vigilanty> ?
[03:09] <RuffianSoldier> Raven Shield - Joint Operations - and Vietcong are what i usually play
[03:09] <TTilus> with "radeon" driver it shows rubbish too
[03:10] <TTilus> with "vesa" I've got something less-rubbish but still totally messed up picture and mouse cursor isn't visible
[03:10] <__learner__> what version of automake shopuld I install for anjuta
[03:11] <TTilus> any ideas?
[03:11] <Vigilanty> what debian package should I use for a tdk dvd burner?
[03:14] <crunch> TTilus, on the forum search  fglrx   theres a howto
[03:15] <vladster> http://members.iinet.net.au/~cybersrc/about//linux_vs_windows_tco_comparison.pdf look at this
[03:15] <TTilus> fglrx?  are proprietary drivers really needed here?
[03:15] <surrounder> Cloudchaser: thanks very much. going to try the reboot as soon as I'm done d\l some stuff, thanks again :)
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> good luck surrounder and let me know if it works?
[03:21] <jbroome> damn, i tried a new HDD and it still doesn't boot.
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> really, that will be nice
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> oops wrong term
[03:25] <__learner__> How can I make linux to mount my fat partition during initialization?
[03:25] <Vigilanty> how do i mount my dvd burnin drive?
[03:25] <__learner__> I know it is simple, but I don't know how to do it.
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> its all in there
[03:25] <Vigilanty> been there...
[03:25] <Vigilanty> read that.
[03:25] <Quest-Master> I wish there was a guide on how to get MIDIs working in Ubuntu
[03:26] <Vigilanty> I'm sayin, that I just bought this shit...  Why shouldn't it work with my OS?
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> it tells you how to do what you want __learner__
[03:26] <Vigilanty> oh
[03:26] <Vigilanty> I thought it was a url on why it doesn't come with ubuntu.
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> the dvd burner i don't know
[03:26] <__learner__> tx
[03:26] <Vigilanty> hmmm...
[03:27] <Vigilanty> no one would be able to tell me about it though?
[03:27] <Vigilanty> google isn't even helpin very much
[03:28] <scoon> Vigilanty, what is google letting you down about ?
[03:28] <Cloudchaser> you have 2 cdrom drives?
[03:28] <__learner__> may I post a link to a walpaper I did about firefox here?
[03:29] <nomasteryoda> __learner__: do it in irc.thelinuxshow.com #linuxshow
[03:29] <__learner__> tx.
[03:29] <nomasteryoda> =)
[03:30] <__learner__> Hey, that guide is great. Answers lot of my questions. tx a lot
[03:30] <TTilus> any possibility one could make radeon 9200SE work without binary drivers (ie with radeon driver)
[03:31] <Gman> there won't be any bug fixing updates for warty will there?
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> learner that and the wiki and the forums have alot of answers :)
[03:33] <Cloudchaser> Vigilanty, does ubuntu recognize your dvd burner at all?
[03:34] <vladster> http://www.publicknowledge.org/
[03:34] <__learner__> tx a lot.
[03:35] <Quest-Master> Cloudchaser: Do you know if their are any Ubuntu-specific answers to getting MIDIs working? :)
[03:36] <vladster> hi nomasteryaoda
[03:37] <vladster> Got a whole list of bookmarks this week off of the page
[03:37] <vladster> too many to read, too many good ones
[03:37] <TTilus> duh...
[03:37] <TTilus> now it works
[03:38] <TTilus> magick was Option "AGPMode" "4"
[03:38] <TTilus> weirdo...
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> Quest-Master, i don't really know
[03:38] <Quest-Master> ;_;!!!
[03:38] <scoon> Quest-Master, tldp.org
[03:39] <TTilus> goodness this thing is flaming fast :-O
[03:39] <Cloudchaser> doesn't mplayer play midis?
[03:41] <vladster> I think it does?
[03:41] <TTilus> im just moving from P166MMX to Athlon64 3000+
[03:41] <TTilus> there really is a difference...  :)
[03:41] <vladster> strap in baby
[03:42] <vladster> now grab yourself a copy of ut2k4 and get ready to frag
[03:43] <vladster> I am only on a measly pentium 1.9 socket 423
[03:43] <Quest-Master> Would anyone have a solution to this? If so, I won't have to reinstall Ubuntu :D
[03:43] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7910
[03:43] <vladster> and half a gig of RIMMS
[03:46] <mike998> IDENTIFY
[03:46] <vladster> has anyone seen the 64 bit xeons yet
[03:46] <K-Rich> anyone awake here?
[03:47] <Quest-Master> .. yeah
[03:47] <Quest-Master> I'm waiting for some help too, hehe
[03:47] <K-Rich> Quest-Master: maybe i can help you...
[03:47] <Cloudchaser> did you check all your gftp settings
[03:48] <Cloudchaser> the fiel permissions settings?
[03:48] <Quest-Master> I'm not using gFTP
[03:48] <Quest-Master> I'm directly opening up the files in gEdit
[03:48] <K-Rich> my question is more ofbout the making-of the live CD since noone is ever alive in #morphix
[03:49] <Quest-Master> :P
[03:52] <RuffianSoldier> anyone used 3dDesktop in Ubuntu?
[03:55] <RuffianSoldier> anyone used 3dDesktop in Ubuntu?
[03:55] <Cloudchaser> i haven't
[03:57] <RuffianSoldier> nice!
[03:57] <Readis> Did you get it to work
[03:58] <Readis> ?
[04:02] <mroth> hmm anyone notice gpdf appears to have disapered from the standard package list today in hoary?
[04:02] <notos> hello
[04:02] <notos> hi i just made an apt-get install amsn  how do i do to make it apear on the aplications menu
[04:03] <notos> ?
[04:08] <rattboi> notos, right click in the gnome menu you'd like it to be in, and do "add launcher"
[04:11] <Cloudchaser> hmm rattboithat doesn't seem to work for me
[04:15] <notos> ok no waht i mean i installed amsn now to run it i need to type in a console windows amsn
[04:15] <notos> the amsn does not apear on the gnome menu :'(
[04:17] <rattboi> notos, I understand what you're saying
[04:17] <rattboi> how about open nautilus, then type "applications:\\\" in the path bar
[04:18] <rattboi> it should show you your gnome menu, only you can navigate it like a folder
[04:19] <notos> :O
[04:19] <notos> yea i see it :D
[04:20] <arctick> it would be nice if more programs came with icons for the menu
[04:20] <rattboi> arctick, usually there's an icon in the app's direcotry
[04:21] <GotD0t> wow, ubuntu won't let me kill nautilus
[04:21] <GotD0t> i do killall -9 nautilus, and it restarts it
[04:22] <notos> ... Waut a monment ... sorry for my dumbass but how do i create a link or compy the /usr/bin/amsn script?
[04:22] <GotD0t> use the link command
[04:22] <arctick> xkill is nice too
[04:23] <notos> :O
[04:23] <GotD0t> ?
[04:23] <notos> thx
[04:23] <Cloudchaser> i don't see a gnome menu or a path bar
[04:23] <GotD0t> arctick: whats xkill?
[04:24] <arctick> point and click on an app and it kills it
[04:24] <notos> I love linux ^_^
[04:24] <GotD0t> arctick: oh
[04:24] <notos> thx guys :D
[04:24] <GotD0t> i want to kill nautilus because everytime i upgrade hoary it breaks nautilus, so i figure if its not running when i upgrade it might not break
[04:25] <arctick> i wish gentoo had a better file manager
[04:26] <arctick> err ubuntu
[04:26] <arctick> duh
[04:26] <GotD0t> any idea on how to kill nautilus
[04:26] <mroth> killall nautilus
[04:26] <arctick> gotdo: run xkill, then click on nautilus
[04:27] <GotD0t> mroth: i tried that, it restarts
[04:27] <albertein> hi, does someone knows the name of the sun's java sdk package for ubuntu, i searched in sipnaptic but couldn't find out what is the sun's package
[04:27] <mroth> oh, you want it to stay dead?
[04:27] <GotD0t> mroth: yup
[04:28] <mroth> gnome probably relaunches it when it detects it missing
[04:28] <mroth> so my guess if you have to reconfigure gnome to not do so (just a guess)
[04:28] <GotD0t> mroth: except when it breaks after a hoary upgrade, which pisses me off
[04:28] <albertein> nobody?
[04:29] <GotD0t> albertein: you prob can't get it from the repos
[04:29] <GotD0t> albertein: but try enabling universe/multiverse
[04:29] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[04:29] <albertein> GotD0t, i already did that, but i only can see free-java-sdk, java-common and java2-common
[04:30] <Cloudchaser> ou get it here
[04:30] <Cloudchaser> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[04:30] <da_bon_bon> hey where can i get ubuntu screenhots?
[04:30] <albertein> Cloudchaser, ok, no package then, thanks =)
[04:30] <Cloudchaser> http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#jre
[04:31] <Cloudchaser> instructions there for how to set it all up
[04:31] <GotD0t> ubhuti: java
[04:31] <ubhuti> GotD0t: I give up, what is it?
[04:31] <GotD0t> ubhuti: jre
[04:31] <ubhuti> GotD0t: I give up, what is it?
[04:31] <arctick> be warned: the default ubuntu theme is ugly
[04:31] <GotD0t> darn it
[04:31] <GotD0t> he doesn't know java
[04:32] <albertein> ubuntu should have a option in its installation to be more developer friendly
[04:33] <da_bon_bon> hey where can i get ubuntu screenhots?
[04:33] <Riddell> albertein: such as how?
[04:33] <arctick> da_bon_bon : ubuntulinux.org
[04:33] <albertein> Riddell, for example i installed ubuntu, and i needed to compile some gnome c stuff
[04:34] <albertein> i needed to download the autotools, gcc, g++, libgnome-dev
[04:34] <GotD0t> i want to kill nautilus, and not have it come back from the dead
[04:34] <albertein> and a lot of other stuff
[04:34] <da_bon_bon> arctick: i want installer screens
[04:34] <albertein> it's just great for the average desktop user, but it would be nice that you could got a second optionall installation disk with development packages
[04:34] <albertein> like autotools
[04:34] <GotD0t> albertein: that would require more cd's
[04:34] <albertein> c/c++ compilers
[04:35] <arctick> install is eeeasy
[04:35] <albertein> GotD0t, sure!, but they could be optionall
[04:35] <GotD0t> albertein: true, would be good for people with dial up connections... you shoudl suggest that
[04:35] <albertein> something like, if you are a desktop user download this, if you are a developer or like to build stuff from source you can download this one too
[04:35] <albertein> GotD0t, where? in the ubuntu website ?
[04:36] <GotD0t> albertein: yea
[04:36] <albertein> i'll look for a email account to suggest it
[04:36] <albertein> i have a good connection and it was painfull, i didnt want to imagine the suffering from folks with dial-up
[04:36] <GotD0t> hehe
[04:38] <|QuaD-> albertein: why not just apt-get them
[04:39] <GotD0t> |QuaD-: hes talking about usability-wise, its a pretty good idea to have optional cds that let you install extra packages
[04:39] <GotD0t> |QuaD-: any idea on killing nautilus and make sure it doesn't automatically spawn again
[04:39] <albertein> yeah, exactly, i downloaded it, but its more confortable have the cd's with the packages
[04:40] <tar`> Hello, all!
[04:40] <GotD0t> HI tar`
[04:42] <tar`> Hmm... I just noticed a relevant report in the bug tracker that I'm going to read before asking here. :)
[04:43] <GotD0t> tar`: oh
[04:44] <tar`> What is "ASSI"?
[04:44] <tar`> Oh, assigned.
[04:45] <tar`> Anyway, booting from an install CD, I get a kernel panic about killing init.
[04:45] <GotD0t> hmm
[04:45] <tar`> I was wondering if anyone had the same issue and found a workaround.
[04:45] <GotD0t> tar`: no clue, i wouldn't suppose you would know how to kill nautilus and keep it from auto-spawning again
[04:46] <tar`> Is that a related question? (I don't get far enough for anything much to start running)
[04:46] <albertein> GotD0t, maybe a cron, hehehehehe
[04:46] <GotD0t> tar`:  no its not, its a problem im having
[04:46] <tar`> Hah, okay. :)
[04:46] <tar`> I don't know how.
[04:46] <albertein> GotD0t, a cron with a killall -9 nautiluis would be nice ;)
[04:47] <GotD0t> albertein: haha
[04:48] <tar`> Hey, noapic and nolapic worked.
[04:48] <tar`> What are those?
[04:48] <Safari_Al> Hi all.  I have a local ubuntu archive mirror, into which I have moved a changed version of a package.  How do I regenerate the indexes so that a netboot install doesn't fail on this newer package?
[04:49] <raja_> did samba break in hoary
[04:49] <GotD0t> tar`: oh, those are for laptops... acpi enables hardware buttons on the laptop (like volume and such) as well as standby power modes and the like
[04:49] <mockery> the most infectious pestilence upon thee, gotd0t!
[04:49] <GotD0t> mockery: excuse me?
[04:49] <mockery> gotd0t, thou stale old mouse eaten dry cheese!
[04:49] <amathis> 0.0
[04:49] <mockery> i would not have such a heart in my bosom, for the dignity of the whole body, amathis
[04:49] <GotD0t> its a bot
[04:49] <mockery> gotd0t, degenerate and base art thou
[04:50] <tar`> -_-
[04:50] <mockery> tar`, if the cook help to make the gluttony, you help to make the diseases
[04:50] <amathis> I am having Grub dual boot problems
[04:50] <mockery> i scorn you, amathis, scurvy companion. what, you poor, base, rascally, cheating, lack-linen mate! away, you moldy rogue, away!
[04:50] <amathis> anyone good with Grub?
[04:50] <mockery> hast thou never an eye in thine head, amathis?
[04:50] <amathis> -/-
[04:50] <mockery> amathis, thou art like the toad, ugly and venomous
[04:50] <GotD0t> amathis: whats the problem?
[04:50] <mockery> gotd0t, you speak an infinite deal of nothing
[04:50] <tar`> I use it, if that qualifies as being good with it. :)
[04:50] <mockery> thou hast not so much brain as earwax, tar`
[04:50] <tar`> /ignore mockery
[04:50] <mockery> thy breath stinks with eating toasted cheese, tar`
[04:50] <jbroome> who let the bots in here?
[04:50] <mockery> the most infectious pestilence upon thee, jbroome!
[04:50] <amathis> GotD0t: trying to add a XP boot from a slave HD
[04:50] <mockery> o, amathis, thou art as tedious as a tired horse, a railing wife, worse than a smoky house
[04:50] <amathis> but it cannot do it
[04:50] <mockery> thou art pigeon-liver'd and lack gall, amathis
[04:51] <amathis> I musta did something wrong in config?
[04:51] <mockery> hast thou never an eye in thine head, amathis?
[04:51] <GotD0t> amathis: whats your menu.list say, send it in a pm
[04:51] <mockery> i would not have such a heart in my bosom, for the dignity of the whole body, gotd0t
[04:51] <tar`> What did you add to the config?
[04:51] <mockery> tar`, thou most shallow man! thou worms-meat in respect of a good piece of flesh indeed!
[04:51] <albertein> thanks for everithing i need to do some homework about crappy servlets, see you
[04:51] <mockery> hast thou never an eye in thine head, albertein?
[04:51] <amathis> GotD0t: ok
[04:51] <mockery> hast thou never an eye in thine head, amathis?
[04:51] <creeperz> geez
[04:51] <mockery> creeperz, if the cook help to make the gluttony, you help to make the diseases
[04:51] <creeperz> WHY?!!!
[04:51] <mockery> creeperz, degenerate and base art thou
[04:51] <GotD0t> what?
[04:51] <mockery> thou are violently carried away from grace, gotd0t
[04:51] <creeperz> stop him!
[04:51] <mockery> creeperz, thou art like the toad, ugly and venomous
[04:51] <vladster> I have beed "tar"ed and feathered
[04:51] <mockery> i scorn you, vladster, scurvy companion. what, you poor, base, rascally, cheating, lack-linen mate! away, you moldy rogue, away!
[04:51] <jbroome>  /ignore works pretty wekk
[04:51] <mockery> thy food is such as hath been belch'd upon by infected lungs, jbroome
[04:51] <tar`> >_<
[04:51] <mockery> tar`, thou foul defacer of God's handiwork
[04:51] <creeperz> hes as worse ad godzilla to japanese people!!!
[04:51] <mockery> thy breath stinks with eating toasted cheese, creeperz
[04:51] <jbroome> err, well
[04:51] <mockery> jbroome, thou art a most notable coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality
[04:51] <GotD0t> ignore works as well
[04:51] <mockery> gotd0t, thou wilt be as valiant as the wrathful dove, or most magnanimous mouse
[04:51] <albertein> mockery, i didnt get it, could you explain please? my natural language isnt english
[04:51] <mockery> albertein, i make as good use of thy face as many a man doth of a death's-head, or a momento mori
[04:52] <albertein> hu??????
[04:52] <mockery> i scorn you, albertein, scurvy companion. what, you poor, base, rascally, cheating, lack-linen mate! away, you moldy rogue, away!
[04:52] <vladster> you are speaking about bmy best qualities
[04:52] <mockery> i would not have such a heart in my bosom, for the dignity of the whole body, vladster
[04:52] <creeperz> amathis is behind this whole thing!!!
[04:52] <mockery> creeperz, if the cook help to make the gluttony, you help to make the diseases
[04:52] <amathis> o.0
[04:52] <mockery> thou art not so big as a round little worm, amathis
[04:52] <creeperz> ...crazy
[04:52] <mockery> i would not have such a heart in my bosom, for the dignity of the whole body, creeperz
[04:53] <tar`> This installer seems pretty insistent about getting a working network card.
[04:53] <mockery> tar`, your bum is the greatest thing about you; so that in the beastliest sense, you are pompey the great
[04:54] <amathis> .. is it safe
[04:54] <mockery> amathis, thou most shallow man! thou worms-meat in respect of a good piece of flesh indeed!
[04:54] <amathis> ACK!
[04:54] <mockery> you should be a woman, amathis, and yet your beard forbids me to interpret that you are so
[04:55] <tar`> Do I really need one? I thought everything was supposed to be on this CD.
[04:55] <mockery> tar`, your bum is the greatest thing about you; so that in the beastliest sense, you are pompey the great
[04:55] <amathis> yay
[04:56] <GotD0t> haha
[04:57] <amathis> uh-oh
[04:57] <mockery> uh-oh
[04:57] <amathis> heh
[04:57] <mockery> heh
[04:57] <amathis> /quit
[04:57] <mockery> /quit
[04:57] <raja_> errr
[04:57] <mockery> errr
[04:57] <amathis> darn
[04:57] <mockery> darn
[04:57] <raja_> anyone else having issues with smbd in hoary
[04:57] <mockery> anyone else having issues with smbd in hoary
[04:57] <raja_> please kill the bot
[04:57] <mockery> please kill the bot
[04:57] <tar`> That's out?
[04:57] <mockery> that's out?
[04:58] <amathis> raja_: no one has ops >_<
[04:58] <mockery> raja_: no one has ops >_<
[04:58] <piyr> O, mockery, as tedious as a tired horse, a railing wife, Worse than a smoky house.
[04:58] <mockery> o, mockery, as tedious as a tired horse, a railing wife, worse than a smoky house.
[04:58] <GotD0t> nobody has ops
[04:58] <mockery> nobody has ops
[04:58] <GotD0t> why do peopl waste their bandwith with this crap
[04:58] <mockery> why do peopl waste their bandwith with this crap
[04:58] <tar`> 'Cause it's so cheap! :-D
[04:58] <mockery> 'cause it's so cheap! :-d
[04:58] <amathis> GotD0t: nothin better to do when your are not d/l'd porn
[04:58] <mockery> gotd0t: nothin better to do when your are not d/l'd porn
[04:58] <GotD0t> tar`: unfortunatly
[04:58] <mockery> tar`: unfortunatly
[04:59] <GotD0t> amathis: they can try being a useful human being
[04:59] <mockery> amathis: they can try being a useful human being
[04:59] <amathis> GotD0t: such a novel concept
[04:59] <mockery> gotd0t: such a novel concept
[04:59] <GotD0t> i have this really false hope that if i keep killall -9 nautilus then it wont come back
[04:59] <mockery> i have this really false hope that if i keep killall -9 nautilus then it wont come back
[04:59] <piyr> mockery:  Hence rotten thing! Or I shall shake thy bones out of thy garments.
[04:59] <mockery> mockery:  hence rotten thing! or i shall shake thy bones out of thy garments.
[04:59] <Amaranth> wtf
[04:59] <mockery> wtf
[05:00] <Amaranth> ok, lets flood it off the network :)
[05:00] <mockery> ok, lets flood it off the network :)
[05:00] <Amaranth> TEST
[05:00] <mockery> test
[05:00] <tar`> haha
[05:00] <mockery> haha
[05:00] <Amaranth> /quit
[05:00] <mockery> /quit
[05:00] <amathis> /msg lilo HI
[05:00] <mockery> /msg lilo hi
[05:00] <amathis> darn
[05:00] <mockery> darn
[05:00] <amathis> ><
[05:00] <mockery> ><
[05:00] <tar`> Is it gone yet?
[05:00] <mockery> is it gone yet?
[05:00] <techn9ne> ljlkj
[05:00] <amathis> tar`: nope
[05:00] <mockery> ljlkj
[05:00] <mockery> tar`: nope
[05:00] <mroth> no one has ops to kill the thing?  (everyone else just /ignore it for now)
[05:00] <mockery> no one has ops to kill the thing?  (everyone else just /ignore it for now)
[05:00] <Amaranth> \r\nQUIT :damn
[05:00] <mockery> \r\nquit :damn
[05:01] <piyr> so if everyone says one thing in turn, it will have so many messages per time that it will drop due to flood?
[05:01] <mockery> so if everyone says one thing in turn, it will have so many messages per time that it will drop due to flood?
[05:01] <Amaranth> Yep.
[05:01] <mockery> yep.
[05:01] <amathis> maybe
[05:01] <mockery> maybe
[05:01] <tar`> Yep.
[05:01] <mockery> yep.
[05:01] <amathis> on the count of 5
[05:01] <mockery> on the count of 5
[05:01] <tar`> Go go!
[05:01] <mockery> go go!
[05:01] <Amaranth> blah
[05:01] <GotD0t> hopefully
[05:01] <mockery> blah
[05:01] <mockery> hopefully
[05:01] <Amaranth> blah
[05:01] <mockery> blah
[05:01] <amathis> hahgtkshag
[05:01] <piyr> go go
[05:01] <raja_> ;lkpl
[05:01] <mockery> hahgtkshag
[05:01] <mockery> go go
[05:01] <amathis> asdga
[05:01] <GotD0t> tat
[05:01] <Amaranth> blah
[05:01] <amathis> asdg
[05:01] <techn9ne> blah
[05:01] <amathis> asdg
[05:01] <GotD0t> ahd
[05:01] <Amaranth> blah
[05:01] <piyr> go go
[05:01] <Cube-ness> m
[05:01] <mockery> ;lkpl
[05:01] <Cube-ness> mm
[05:01] <amathis> asdg
[05:01] <Cube-ness> m
[05:01] <techn9ne> blha
[05:01] <Cube-ness> m
[05:01] <Cube-ness> m
[05:01] <Cube-ness> m
[05:01] <tar`> w00t!
[05:01] <GotD0t> fdfjlk;sdf
[05:01] <piyr> go go
[05:01] <mockery> asdga
[05:01] <GotD0t> sdfjlksdf
[05:01] <techn9ne> blah
[05:01] <amathis> asdg
[05:01] <Amaranth> fucking thing
[05:01] <piyr> go go
[05:01] <Amaranth> damnit
[05:01] <techn9ne> blahsdf
[05:01] <mockery> tat
[05:01] <dieman> jeezus
[05:01] <amathis> sadg
[05:01] <techn9ne> sdjfklf
[05:01] <GotD0t> gah
[05:01] <techn9ne> sfljksf
[05:01] <mockery> blah
[05:01] <piyr> go go
[05:01] <amathis> asdg
[05:01] <Cube-ness> m
[05:01] <tar`> MAKE IT GO AWAY
[05:01] <raja_> kl
[05:01] <GotD0t> gay ass fucker
[05:01] <mockery> asdg
[05:01] <amathis> dsd
[05:01] <techn9ne> sfsfsfjklj
[05:01] <Amaranth> it has a timer!
[05:01] <mockery> blah
[05:01] <raja_> l;kl;klklk
[05:01] <tar`> Is it gone yet?
[05:01] <amathis> d
[05:01] <Amaranth> STOP!
[05:01] <GotD0t> its not working
[05:01] <mockery> asdg
[05:01] <tar`> lol
[05:01] <mockery> ahd
[05:01] <amathis> a
[05:01] <techn9ne> sdfdlksjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
[05:01] <GotD0t> it does?
[05:01] <mockery> blah
[05:01] <amathis> a
[05:01] <s0cks> Stop this shit.
[05:01] <mockery> go go
[05:01] <amathis> g
[05:01] <mockery> m
[05:01] <amathis> g
[05:01] <mockery> mm
[05:01] <amathis> g
[05:01] <tar`> That! Was! Amazing!
[05:01] <mockery> asdg
[05:01] <amathis> g
[05:01] <mockery> m
[05:01] <amathis> g
[05:01] <mockery> blha
[05:01] <amathis> CHINGA TU MADRE!
[05:01] <mockery> m
[05:01] <Amaranth> Stop, it has a flood timer.
[05:01] <amathis> arg
[05:01] <techn9ne> theres no channel ops?
[05:01] <mockery> m
[05:01] <amathis> haha
[05:02] <mockery> m
[05:02] <mockery> w00t!
[05:02] <mockery> fdfjlk;sdf
[05:02] <mockery> go go
[05:02] <raja_> i sent lilo a message
[05:02] <mockery> sdfjlksdf
[05:02] <mockery> blah
[05:02] <mockery> asdg
[05:02] <GotD0t> haha, thats funny... a smartly programmed bot
[05:02] <Amaranth> w00t
[05:02] <GotD0t> it'll be back Amaranth
[05:02] <Amaranth> It just left
[05:02] <UdontKnow> oh, fun
[05:02] <Amaranth> Does anyone have a hostmask for it?
[05:02] <raja_> UdontKnow, bot named mockery, awful beast
[05:02] <tar`> Whose botsez wasz itsez?
[05:02] <amathis> smelled UdontKnow...
[05:02] <amathis> :)
[05:02] <raja_> anyone on hoary using smb?
[05:03] <tar`> mockery [~noodlebot@procyon.noodleroni.com]  entered the room.
[05:03] <tar`> ?
[05:03] <UdontKnow> what was it doing?
[05:03] <Amaranth> Yeah.
[05:03] <jbroome> ~noodlebot@procyon.noodleroni.com
[05:03] <ubhuti> Parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jbroome
[05:03] <Amaranth> Repeating
[05:03] <mroth> repeating every line
[05:03] <mroth> said by anybody
[05:03] <raja_> root@slushie:/home/raja/xbox/backup/C (325.89 MBytes free) # smbtree
[05:03] <raja_> Password:
[05:03] <raja_> failed negprot
[05:03] <raja_> read_socket_with_timeout: timeout read. read error = Connection reset by peer.
[05:03] <raja_> grr
[05:03] <Amaranth> piyr mockery:  Hence rotten thing! Or I shall shake thy bones out of thy garments.
[05:03] <Amaranth> mockery mockery:  hence rotten thing! or i shall shake thy bones out of thy garments.
[05:04] <GotD0t> what
[05:04] <RuffianSoldier> http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=xnest8xw.jpg
[05:04] <tar`> How big is 'base system'?
[05:04] <GotD0t> RuffianSoldier: whats so great about that
[05:04] <RuffianSoldier> its a screeny
[05:04] <amathis> GotD0t: ugh.. didn't work
[05:05] <tar`> I think this drive is 1.4 GB, so not big enough for all of Ubuntu.. but it hasn't given me any options for removing packages.
[05:07] <GotD0t> aha, to all of those using hoary but hate having to restart X because nautilus breaks after each upgrade, just rename the /usr/bin/nautilus to something else, update, and then name it back to the original. then start nautilus from a terminal, stop it, then do killall nautilus and it will restart without the terminal.
[05:07] <tar`> Anyone know how to keep from overflowing my disk? ;)
[05:07] <bborkk> Anyone out there running Hoary on an IBM Thinkpad T42p?  I'm already running Warty and thinking about upgrading.
[05:11] <tar`> Anyone know?
[05:11] <tar`> It's working on installing apps now.
[05:12] <toxickore> hello
[05:12] <tar`> Hello, toxic
[05:12] <toxickore> anybody knows why my recently installed ubuntu takes a long time to load my gnome applications?
[05:12] <Tyche> RuffianSoldier: I would just like to get xnest to work. How do I set it up on the server and how do I connect otherwise?
[05:16] <tar`> The clock is ticking and the hard drive is filling...
[05:16] <adoyretsamon> Man, FlashBlock FireFox extension is nice
[05:17] <jbroome> adoyretsamon: yes it is.
[05:17] <techn9ne> is there a command line cd burning utility?
[05:17] <techn9ne> i want to use it w/ cron for backups
[05:17] <toxickore> techn9ne: cdrecord
[05:17] <jbroome> cdrecord
[05:17] <techn9ne> thanks
[05:17] <adoyretsamon> jbroome, nice to block that stuff for the bandwidth savings if nothing else
[05:19] <toxickore> wtf!
[05:19] <tar`> I'd tell you if I had context.
[05:20] <Tyche> Anyone user remote server connectivity? Like vnc or xnest?
[05:20] <tar`> I use VNC every once in a while.
[05:20] <fulvioo> trash vnc
[05:20] <fulvioo> use freenx
[05:21] <fulvioo> much better speed
[05:21] <adoyretsamon> really?
[05:21] <fulvioo> really
[05:21] <adoyretsamon> wow
[05:21] <fulvioo> its very nice, you can work even on dial ups
[05:21] <fulvioo> and its much more secure
[05:22] <fulvioo> since its use ssh too
[05:22] <adoyretsamon> i just found the link for knoppix .
[05:22] <adoyretsamon> cool
[05:22] <adoyretsamon> has freenx supposedly
[05:22] <Tyche> fulvioo: Is it in the repository?
[05:22] <fulvioo> i htink u can get on ubuntu by apt-get install nx-server or something like that
[05:22] <tar`> Is there a freenx server, or does it use an SSH server?
[05:22] <fulvioo> im not sure if it is or I added
[05:22] <toxickore> is there a mailing list in ubuntu?
[05:22] <fulvioo> there is a freenx
[05:22] <fulvioo> hang on
[05:23] <Tyche> tar: where do you configure/turn on vnc in ubuntu?
[05:23] <fulvioo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1968
[05:23] <tar`> I don't use Ubuntu yet ;)
[05:23] <adoyretsamon> fulvioo, i use a program called synergy for mousing from a windows box into my dualscreen suse desktop... and the connection is ssh
[05:24] <adoyretsamon> i have it, but it is on my other laptop
[05:24] <adoyretsamon> ubuntu that is
[05:24] <fulvioo> once I knew freenx, everything has changed heh
[05:24] <Tyche> I just need something that is easy to use and set up.
[05:24] <fulvioo> and i dont work for them :P
[05:24] <adoyretsamon> fulvioo, and secure?
[05:24] <fulvioo> thats easy/secure/fast
[05:24] <fulvioo> ssh connectivity m8
[05:25] <fulvioo> there is a free client for windows also
[05:25] <adoyretsamon> sweet
[05:25] <adoyretsamon> cool
[05:25] <toxickore> anybody knows why my applications take a long time to load?
[05:25] <Tyche> adoyretsamon: I have it installing now, where do I go to configure? How do I connect from a windows box?
[05:25] <|QuaD-> fulvioo: free ssh client for windows?
[05:25] <fulvioo> no, free freenx client for windows
[05:25] <|QuaD-> whats freenx?
[05:26] <fulvioo> remote admin like vnc
[05:26] <adoyretsamon> |QuaD-, there is a free ssh server/client too for windows if you need it
[05:26] <GotD0t> |QuaD-: openssh has a windows client version...
[05:26] <adoyretsamon> freenx is certainly cool
[05:26] <fulvioo> he wants graphic mode not command line if im not msitaken
[05:26] <marcellus> Blah. I managed to fubar my X configuration (well, I didn't do nything specific myself, but probably the installation of packages did it) and now it won't start.
[05:26] <|QuaD-> adoyretsamon: i thouhgt thats what he wanted
[05:26] <fulvioo> sure there is ssh for free for win
[05:26] <|QuaD-> i know there is a free ssh client/server for windows...
[05:27] <fulvioo> tar`: you dont need ubuntu. you only need ssh+linux distro
[05:27] <tar`> fulvioo: I was just responding to the question of how to configure it in Ubuntu. :)
[05:27] <fulvioo> ah :)
[05:27] <adoyretsamon> argh, got to get the dvd out to install freenx on suse
[05:27] <marcellus> How do I get multiple consoles?
[05:28] <adoyretsamon> in terminal?
[05:28] <marcellus> yeah
[05:29] <adoyretsamon> if on Ubuntu, i think command is Ctrl+shift+A or something like it
[05:29] <adoyretsamon> i can tell you in a min
[05:29] <adoyretsamon> for certain
[05:29] <adoyretsamon> marcellus, now if you mean in full console mode, that is Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6
[05:30] <adoyretsamon> and F7 for back to x
[05:30] <marcellus> adoyretsamon: Hmm. X isn't working I just want more than one console.
[05:31] <adoyretsamon> ok
[05:31] <adoyretsamon> yea, then Ctrl+Alt+F2
[05:31] <adoyretsamon> or F3
[05:31] <adoyretsamon> etc.
[05:33] <marcellus> Nothing happens. Normally I am used to be able to switch between them with Alt-Fx, but I only have access to one now.
[05:33] <tar`> Minimum system requirements for Ubuntu? I can't find them on the site.
[05:34] <adoyretsamon> marcellus, I understand now
[05:34] <adoyretsamon> you are at init 3 or lower
[05:34] <adoyretsamon> no multiple terms
[05:34] <adoyretsamon> you need to do
[05:34] <adoyretsamon> sudo init 5
[05:36] <tar`> That'd start X, wouldn't it? (And their X isn't working..)
[05:36] <marcellus> adoyretsamon: Nope. What is providing the terminals?
[05:37] <adoyretsamon> the kernel?
[05:37] <marcellus> So no additional software is needed?
[05:37] <adoyretsamon> tar', yea it would try, but not actually load and bump you down to a console
[05:37] <adoyretsamon> no
[05:37] <adoyretsamon> that should work
[05:38] <adoyretsamon> would guess you have rebooted
[05:38] <adoyretsamon> marcellus, did you try
[05:38] <marcellus> Yeah, nothing happened.
[05:38] <adoyretsamon> dmesg reconfigure-xserver xfree86 or something like that
[05:40] <housetier> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:40] <adoyretsamon> thanks
[05:40] <adoyretsamon> that would help
[05:42] <marcellus> I have the working configuration in my svn repo, but the environment has probably caused it to break.
[05:43] <adoyretsamon> ah, yea
[05:44] <marcellus> The first problems I encountered was tha I couldn't login after a logout (in X) and then when I rebooted it complained about X already running.
[05:45] <adoyretsamon> so sounds like a lock file instead
[05:45] <adoyretsamon> let me look for that issue
[05:46] <adoyretsamon> marcellus, try making a new user
[05:46] <adoyretsamon> and login as him
[05:47] <adoyretsamon> marcellus,  http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gconf-list/2004-August/msg00018.html
[05:48] <adoyretsamon> or change the permissions on that folder ... if that is wrong
[05:50] <adoyretsamon> marcellus,  any luck?
[05:51] <tar`> See you later, all!
[05:51] <marcellus> Well, I need to resurrect the environment I had that caused that error (instead of the current one where X won't work at all).
[05:52] <snarf> how can i change my refresh rate? the app in gnome will only let me use 60hz, and it can do better than that
[05:52] <Tyche> where do you download freenx? I cannot find it.
[05:53] <adoyretsamon> marcellus, after making the change to those directorys, then try
[05:53] <adoyretsamon> sudo init 5
[05:54] <farruinn> snarf, edit your config file in the /etc/X11 directory
[05:55] <farruinn> it will be XF86Config-4 if you're using warty or xorg if you're using xorg
[05:55] <snarf> what do i edit in there?
[05:55] <GotD0t> xorg.conf if you're using xorg
[05:56] <farruinn> thanks GotD0t, I'm in warty so I wasn't sure on that
[05:56] <GotD0t> farruinn: no prob
[05:56] <farruinn> actually sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-[xorg|xfree86]  would be easier
[05:56] <farruinn> but you'll have to go through all of the configuration steps again
[05:57] <snarf> how the heck do i run root commands?
[05:57] <farruinn> ubhuti: rootsudo
[05:57] <ubhuti> By default the root password is disabled in Ubuntu.  Instead use sudo (and your user password).  If you haven't already, please read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:58] <adoyretsamon> snarf, but you can open a root terminal
[05:58] <snarf> oh ok
[05:58] <adoyretsamon> and then run those commands in it
[05:58] <farruinn> ubhuti root -s -H
[05:58] <ubhuti> sudo -s can be used to get a root shell, however it is not a login shell so the $HOME variable is not right.  To achieve a true root shell use sudo -s -H.
[06:01] <snarf> ok how do i restart X?
[06:01] <farruinn> /etc/init.d/xfree86 restart for me
[06:01] <adoyretsamon> snarf, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace will restart X
[06:02] <marcellus> adoyretsamon: I still can't start X. I think it is something with opengl, but the log doesn't tell me anything.
[06:02] <adoyretsamon> marcellus, turn off dri and glx
[06:02] <adoyretsamon> by commenting them out
[06:03] <marcellus> I have tried that (did GLCore too) and still won't start.
[06:04] <adoyretsamon> which card are you using? nvidia?
[06:04] <marcellus> yeah
[06:06] <marcellus> I had nvidia-glx installed, but have removed it.
[06:06] <marcellus> cd /etc/X11/
[06:06] <marcellus> l
[06:06] <marcellus> blah
[06:08] <adoyretsamon> marcellus, is there a backup copy of your XF86Config file?
[06:08] <adoyretsamon> that you can replace the new one with?
[06:08] <adoyretsamon> maybe ...
[06:10] <Rene_S> Howdy
[06:10] <marcellus> Yes, I have replaced it with one that worked before, but it has glx, dri, GLCore and v4l uncommented. The ones that probably are causing the problems.
[06:10] <adoyretsamon> hey
[06:10] <adoyretsamon> yea
[06:11] <marcellus> Hmm. I will see what the history was before that.
[06:11] <iMeXdiAC> prolly a similar topic ;) .. i recently installed ubuntu on my ppc ibook from a warty install cd .. well dri and glx worked to some extend for the first time on the machine atiRage128 though crashed the whole sys on some complex screensavers ?.. anyhow i was told that upgrading to hoary might make a difference (well i made a dist-upgrade) n now it seems as glx doesnt work not only a bit .. as ex chromium worked before though jerky bu
[06:11] <iMeXdiAC> t i got a pic and it didnt lock up the sys like now .. just wondering/curious if i would have a path to reenable glx and poss get it full working instead of disableing it to prevent crashes .. :)
[06:12] <Ferris_B> im running the CD version of ubuntu with the latest patches. What version of the kernel is that? I'm trying to patch orinoco drivers but im brand new at this
[06:13] <rvirani> how do I get KDE installed in one shot
[06:13] <Rene_S> Install Mepis :)
[06:13] <Rene_S> Just kidding I think there is a meta package called KDE
[06:13] <adoyretsamon> LOL
[06:13] <rvirani> Rene_S: meta package?
[06:14] <rvirani> how do I install one of those
[06:14] <adoyretsamon> install a package like kmail
[06:14] <adoyretsamon> or something
[06:14] <adoyretsamon> then the rest will follow
[06:14] <adoyretsamon> hehe
[06:14] <rvirani> no
[06:14] <adoyretsamon> ...most of it that is
[06:14] <rvirani> thats not good practice
[06:14] <Rene_S> acutally do a apt-get install kde
[06:14] <marcellus> adoyretsamon: nothing has changed in the Module section
[06:14] <rvirani> there should be a better way
[06:14] <rvirani> Rene_S: k thanx
[06:14] <Ferris_B> is there an apt-get for orinoco drivers?
[06:14] <adoyretsamon> man, what a pain in the butt
[06:14] <Rene_S> If that doesn't work try apt-get kde-base
[06:15] <adoyretsamon> or Synaptic
[06:15] <Rene_S> If that doesn't work try apt-get install kde-base rather
[06:15] <adoyretsamon> and install it there
[06:17] <Rene_S> rvirani: also make sure you have the universe repository for either Hoary or Warty turned on
[06:18] <iMeXdiAC> Ferris_B .. aik is the cd vers a warty install with the 2.6.8 kernel ..
[06:18] <rvirani> Rene_S: got it for Warty
[06:18] <rvirani> should I upgrade to Hoary?
[06:19] <iMeXdiAC> rvirani .. i wouldnt uprgrade to hoary yet ..
[06:19] <iMeXdiAC> rvirani .. i wouldnt uprgrade to hoary yet ..
[06:19] <iMeXdiAC> srz
[06:19] <iMeXdiAC> hmm sry
[06:20] <Rene_S> rvirani: Good, never sure what people are running these days.
[06:20] <farruinn> iMeXdiAC: I think you should post to the mailing list about your graphics card issue
[06:20] <farruinn> perhaps this link will help though: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDrivers
[06:21] <marcellus> Blah. I have to leave this for later and go to bed. Thanks for the help, adoyretsamon.
[06:21] <iMeXdiAC> thx :) .. ll take a look
[06:21] <adoyretsamon> ok
[06:21] <adoyretsamon> good luck
[06:22] <Rolled_s0cks> My stupid cd still aint here.
[06:22] <Ferris_B> was just wondering if there was a painless newb wayto install patched orinoco drivers, as Ive never done anything nearly as complex as recompiling
[06:23] <Ferris_B> for wireless packet exam in kismet
[06:23] <marcellus> Hmm
[06:24] <_bborkk_> Anyone know how the new fglrx video card driver (2.6.8.1.3-5) differs from the previous version?
[06:27] <Ferris_B> welcome back marcellus
[06:31] <rvirani> hi ho hi ho, its off to install KDE we go...
[06:40] <cmerlo441> is this the right place for installer help?
[06:40] <adoyretsamon> sure
[06:41] <cmerlo441> oh, good.  :)
[06:41] <cmerlo441> i'm trying to install over an old fc2 installation
[06:41] <cmerlo441> everytime it gets to creating hdd partitions, i get:
[06:41] <cmerlo441> "Not yet implemented!  This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout!  Parted can't resize this (yet)."
[06:42] <cmerlo441> i've tried creating ext3, ext2, reiser... everytime, same message
[06:42] <adoyretsamon> cmerlo441, do you need any of them>
[06:42] <adoyretsamon> ?
[06:42] <cmerlo441> and at this point, i've probably hosed the fc2 installation
[06:42] <adoyretsamon> your partitions that is
[06:42] <cmerlo441> well, yeah, i need hard drive partitions
[06:42] <adoyretsamon> lol
[06:42] <adoyretsamon> yea
[06:43] <adoyretsamon> meant delete the partitions and start fresh
[06:43] <bborkk> Is anyone using ibm-acpi with Ubuntu?
[06:43] <cmerlo441> tried that
[06:43] <adoyretsamon> i have done that before
[06:43] <cmerlo441> i teach CS for crap sake.  i wouldn't be here, but this has me totally stumped
[06:43] <adoyretsamon> lol
[06:43] <adoyretsamon> i have run into exactly that
[06:43] <adoyretsamon> zero out the drive
[06:43] <cmerlo441> i've googled this issue every way imaginable, and nothing
[06:43] <adoyretsamon> using the vendor tool
[06:44] <adoyretsamon> for the drive brand
[06:44] <cmerlo441> what's that?
[06:44] <cmerlo441> oh.
[06:44] <adoyretsamon> the UltimateBootCD has them on it
[06:44] <cmerlo441> what, you mean find the floppy i got with the disk?
[06:44] <adoyretsamon> most brands
[06:44] <cmerlo441> no chance of that
[06:44] <adoyretsamon> nope
[06:44] <adoyretsamon> there is an Ultimate Boot CD image you can download
[06:44] <adoyretsamon> let me find linl
[06:45] <cmerlo441> ubcd.sf.net/
[06:45] <cmerlo441> er, ?
[06:45] <cmerlo441> that one?
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> yea
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> that should be it
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> http://ubcd.sourceforge.net/
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> yea
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> the HD tools
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> just overwrith for about 2 mins
[06:45] <cmerlo441> now, here's what i read about this issue...
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> that should be enough to clean the drive
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> then install ubuntu
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> and partition the way you need
[06:46] <cmerlo441> apparently, it comes up when certain versions of parted try to resize an ext3 partition
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> sure
[06:46] <cmerlo441> i can't figure out why resizing is an issue.  i'm creating from scratch.
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> what happens with Partition magic?
[06:46] <cmerlo441> i don't have it handy
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> ok
[06:46] <cmerlo441> used to.  no idea where the discs are.
[06:47] <adoyretsamon> then cleaning it using this method will work
[06:47] <adoyretsamon> i have done that before
[06:47] <adoyretsamon> just last month for another system
[06:47] <cmerlo441> so, you think one of those hdd wiping tools would do the trick?
[06:48] <adoyretsamon> yea
[06:48] <adoyretsamon> i know cause i had to do it
[06:53] <tar`> Psst
[06:54] <adoyretsamon> PSST
[06:54] <tar`> My hard drive filled installing Ubuntu, even though at the beginning it said I would have an option to remove certain packages eventually.
[06:54] <Ferris_B> where do I get the source for the kernel?
[06:54] <tar`> How do I get to that place?
[06:55] <stuNNed> tar`, there is some expert mode or something
[06:55] <stuNNed> Ferris_B, apt-get install linux-source_version
[06:56] <Ferris_B> and that will put it in /usr/src/linux?
[06:56] <tar`> "boot the installer with 'linux archive-copier/copy=false" w00t!
[06:56] <tar`> Now to.. start over
[06:56] <tar`> Is this worth it?? haha
[06:57] <adoyretsamon> sudo apt-get install linux_kernel_version
[06:58] <Tyche> Where can I get shockwave for firefox?
[07:00] <adoyretsamon> Tyche, sorry to break it to you , but no shockwave in linux without using crossover office .... but you can have flash in firefox ... on linux that is
[07:01] <Tyche> bummer, I am finding so many sites with it now.
[07:01] <adoyretsamon> yea
[07:01] <Tyche> Any alternatives? or not in linux at all?
[07:02] <adoyretsamon> crossover office is only way i know
[07:02] <adoyretsamon> works well too
[07:03] <Tyche> What is that?
[07:03] <Tyche> A browser?
[07:03] <adoyretsamon> no
[07:03] <adoyretsamon> it uses a special version of Wine to allow windows apps to run on linux
[07:04] <adoyretsamon> like Office, Shockwave plugins, Quicktime, Dreamweaver, etc...
[07:04] <Tyche> Hmm..not repository? just something I go download and install?
[07:04] <adoyretsamon> $$
[07:04] <adoyretsamon> got to buy it
[07:04] <calamari> you have to buy it unless you warez it
[07:04] <adoyretsamon> true
[07:05] <adoyretsamon> but warez are frowned on in the Linux /opensource world
[07:05] <calamari> which apparently a lot of ppl here do.. kinda sad
[07:05] <calamari> yeah
[07:05] <calamari> I like that about Linux users.. not as corrupt :)
[07:05] <adoyretsamon> yea
[07:11] <ctd> Probably because what they do pay for is something worth paying for.
[07:11] <adoyretsamon> yea
[07:11] <adoyretsamon> it is worth paying for
[07:13] <adoyretsamon> nite all
[07:14] <adoyretsamon> or good day as the case may be
[07:17] <cef> there needs to be a way to get around CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK at boot. stupid pain in the rear. I won't want to compile a different kernel for this machine! *sigh*
[07:18] <calamari> cef: what is that?
[07:18] <cef> calamari: only allows h/drives to get DMA, not cdrom drives
[07:19] <cef> problem is, there are chipsets out there that you can ONLY set DMA at boot time.
[07:19] <cef> so with that option (which is the default in warty's kernels at least) you can't turn on DMA for cdrom drives (or burners as in my case)
[07:23] <cef> technically it's a problem in the kernel.. but it's annoying that ubuntu ships with that by default
[07:25] <calamari> cef: oic.. thanks for the explanation :)
[07:26] <calamari> I didn't even know that DMa was enabled for my HD, so that's cool news to hear
[07:30] <kleedrac> So I said nuts to it and installed grip and re-ripped my CD's to ogg :)
[07:30] <cef> calamari: I'd actually fix these bugs but I'm waiting for my new laptop. current one doesn't have the speed or memory to do anything worthwile with (ie: development)
[07:31] <cef> calamari: hoping I can get it soon so I can get working on this stuff.. :-/
[07:31] <calamari> hehe
[07:34] <mrbrown> hello
[07:37] <mrbrown> anybody home?
[07:37] <Bh420> hello mclfy
[07:37] <housetier> hello mrbrown!
[07:37] <housetier> welcome to #ubuntu mrbrown :)
[07:37] <Bh420> mcfly
[07:38] <mrbrown> mcfly? make like a tree and get outta here
[07:39] <Bh420> hehehehe
[07:39] <mrbrown> noob here...having trouble getting dvds to play
[07:41] <crimsun> what sort of trouble?
[07:41] <mrbrown> need to make a symlink for dev/dvd but it isnt working...
[07:42] <mrbrown> $ sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd
[07:42] <mrbrown> ln: `/dev/dvd': File exists
[07:42] <mrbrown> it wont let me make a new one?
[07:42] <crimsun> you reversed the symlink order
[07:43] <crimsun> ln [-s]  origin target
[07:43] <mrbrown> oh shoot. lol
[07:43] <crimsun> you shouldn't have to do that, though
[07:43] <mrbrown> I shouldnt?
[07:44] <mrbrown> jt@linpig:/ $ sudo ln -s /dev/dvd /media/cdrom0
[07:44] <mrbrown> ln: creating symbolic link `/media/cdrom0/dvd' to `/dev/dvd': Read-only file system
[07:44] <mrbrown> LOL
[07:44] <mrbrown> oh shoot.
[07:44] <mrbrown> man :/
[07:45] <KobrAs> as root?
[07:45] <crimsun> hmm, that's odd.
[07:45] <mrbrown> yeah as root
[07:45] <crimsun> you're using Warty proper, not the livecd, correct?
[07:45] <mrbrown> yeah warty proper
[07:47] <melazyboy> what does 'pts/5' mean when you run ps
[07:47] <crimsun> mrbrown: I presume you've installed all the needed packages to play DVDs?
[07:47] <crimsun> melazyboy: it's the pseudoterminal you're using
[07:48] <mrbrown> crim: yeah...libdvdcss2, xine...
[07:48] <mrbrown> xine won't play it unless its at /dev/dvd
[07:48] <mrbrown> unless you can change it.
[07:49] <crimsun> mrbrown: did you install totem-xine from the 'universe' repository?
[07:49] <melazyboy> crimsun: So whats the difference between a sudo terminal and a terminal? does screen create the pts(es)?
[07:49] <crimsun> melazyboy: "sudo terminal?"
[07:49] <melazyboy> psudo terminal rather
[07:49] <mrbrown> crim: no, should I?
[07:50] <melazyboy> sorry brain fart
[07:50] <crimsun> mrbrown: try it
[07:50] <mrbrown> ok
[07:50] <mrbrown> oh, its already installed
[07:50] <mrbrown> well yeah I guess I did, crim
[07:51] <melazyboy> mrbrown apt-get install vlc, and see if it plays the dvd
[07:52] <crimsun> melazyboy: generally a pseudoterminal is a virtual console, something like tty1 or pts/1 or vc/1; a terminal is usually an actual physical console. However, with the advent of terminal emulators like xterm, gnome-terminal, rxvt, etc., the distinction is blurred
[07:52] <melazyboy> if you want menus you will still need libdvdcss2
[07:52] <mrbrown> mel: I have libdvdcss2...will try vlc
[07:52] <melazyboy> crimsun: So how do i find what terminal pts/5 is tied to?
[07:53] <crimsun> melazyboy: use the `tty' command
[07:54] <crimsun> mrbrown: you shouldn't have / be a read-only filesystem normally - that usually indicates errors in the filesystem.
[07:54] <crimsun> mrbrown: look at the output of `mount'
[07:54] <melazyboy> crimsun: The problem is i have two processes running with the 'irssi' tag, i also have two screen names, melazyboy, and melazybo2, running from the same ip, process of elimination would mean both names are running from this comp the other process isn't on a terminal i see, and when i 'ps -A' it shows up with the pts thing, i want to kill off the other process while keeping this one im using online] 
[07:54] <crimsun> mrbrown: if it says (ro,...), then there's a deeper issue
[07:55] <mrbrown> /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=jt)
[07:55] <mrbrown> ok, then whats the issue?
[07:56] <crimsun> mrbrown: no, that's for the /dev/hdc "partition", which is your dvd-rom drive, which is normally (ro,...), so that's fine
[07:56] <crimsun> mrbrown: I'm referring to your root partition, /
[07:56] <mrbrown> ah, ok.
[07:57] <melazyboy> crimsun: Do you know any solution to my problem?
[07:57] <mrbrown> no 'ro' found there
[07:57] <crimsun> melazyboy: check the login date via `ps -auxww|grep melazy'
[07:57] <crimsun> melazyboy: then all you have to do is kill off the ssh priv sep process owned by your user
[07:58] <crimsun> sshd and init will take care of the rest
[07:58] <crimsun> mrbrown: not really sure what the problem is...
[07:59] <mrbrown> ok, tried VLC....
[07:59] <crimsun> mrbrown: are you saying no multimedia applications will play your dvd because /dev/dvd doesn't exist?
[07:59] <mrbrown> thats correct
[07:59] <mrbrown> [00000214]  main input: playlist item `dvdsimple:///dev/dvd@1:1'
[07:59] <mrbrown> [00000214]  v4l input error: cannot open device (No such file or directory)
[07:59] <mrbrown> [00000214]  v4l input error: cannot open audio device (No such file or directory)[00000214]  main input error: no suitable access module for `/://dvdsimple:///dev/dvd@1:1'
[07:59] <crimsun> mrbrown: ls -l /dev/dvd
[08:00] <mrbrown> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           11 2004-12-15 01:26 /dev/dvd -> /dev/cdr om0
[08:01] <melazyboy> try ln -sf /media/cdrom0/dvd /dev/dvd
[08:01] <melazyboy> and then try again
[08:01] <mrbrown> ok sure
[08:01] <melazyboy> and if that doesn't work paste the output of ln -l /media/cdrom0/dvd
[08:01] <crimsun> (that'd be `ls -l /media/cdrom0/dvd')
[08:02] <melazyboy> yar
[08:02] <melazyboy> =/
[08:02] <mrbrown> nope still wont work.
[08:03] <melazyboy> do you know what your cdrom is?
[08:03] <melazyboy> err dvdrom
[08:03] <melazyboy> like /dev/hdc
[08:03] <mrbrown> yeah its /dev/hdc
[08:04] <melazyboy> try 'ln -l /dev/dvd /dev/hdc'
[08:04] <melazyboy> err
[08:04] <melazyboy> try 'ln -sf /dev/dvd /dev/hdc'
[08:04] <melazyboy> there we go
[08:04] <melazyboy> then paste the output of ls -l /dev/dvd
[08:04] <melazyboy> err i fucked that up again =/
[08:04] <melazyboy> its ln -sf /dev/hdc /dev/dvd
[08:04] <Gaaruto> hello
[08:05] <crimsun> 'lo Gaaruto
[08:05] <mrbrown> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            8 2004-12-15 02:05 /dev/dvd -> /dev/hdc
[08:06] <melazyboy> there we go
[08:06] <melazyboy> now start vlc
[08:06] <mrbrown> [00000213]  main input: playlist item `dvd:///dev/dvd@0:1'
[08:06] <mrbrown> [00000213]  v4l input error: cannot open device (No such file or directory)
[08:06] <mrbrown> [00000213]  v4l input error: cannot open audio device (No such file or directory)
[08:06] <mrbrown> [00000213]  main input error: no suitable access module for `/://dvd:///dev/dvd@0:1'
[08:06] <mrbrown> :(
[08:07] <melazyboy> hrm
[08:07] <Gaaruto> how to config xorg please ? i have only 640*480 screen ! i change my horizsync and vertrefresh with xorgconfig but it dont work :(
[08:07] <melazyboy> Gaaruto: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:07] <crimsun> Gaaruto: which graphics chipset do you use?
[08:07] <melazyboy> mrbrown: got me
[08:07] <Gaaruto> nvidia
[08:08] <Cygnia> Did anyone here get their X server hosed by today's kernel update?
[08:08] <mrbrown> damn
[08:09] <mrbrown> back to winblows
[08:10] <crimsun> Cygnia: warty-security or hoary?
[08:10] <crimsun> Gaaruto: are you using the "nvidia" driver?
[08:10] <Gaaruto> reboot
[08:10] <Gaaruto> thanks
[08:10] <Cygnia> crimsun:warty on AMD64 with nvidia-glx installed.
[08:11] <crimsun> Cygnia: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'
[08:11] <mojo> seems to me daniels just updated new nvdia-common
[08:11] <mojo> it's not worked yet
[08:12] <mojo> but looks it will in next few days
[08:12] <crimsun> ah, that's probably the issue then.
[08:12] <crimsun> I don't know w/ amd64 seeing how I have only a piddly P3 :-)
[08:13] <Cygnia> crimsun: No packages found matching linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-4-amd64-generic.
[08:14] <crimsun> Cygnia: yeah, nevermind my command
[08:14] <Gaaruto> done !
[08:14] <Gaaruto> it wok
[08:14] <Gaaruto> work
[08:14] <Gaaruto> thanks
[08:17] <dingo> whats the package name for KDE headers
[08:18] <dingo> i am using debian sarge as the base package over ubuntu
[08:18] <dingo> i mean i install from deb sarge dvd as the source cd
[08:21] <crimsun> dingo: for each metapackage, there is a matching -dev package
[08:21] <crimsun> moin Tsjoklat
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> eve crimsun :)
[08:22] <crimsun> dingo: for instance, kdebase => kdebase-dev, kdelibs4 => kdelibs4-dev, ...
[08:27] <dingo> crimsun, i have kdebase installed
[08:27] <dingo> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[08:27] <dingo> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail
[08:27] <crimsun> dingo: please read what I typed :)
[08:27] <dingo> when i am trying to compile a program i am getting the above error
[08:28] <crimsun> dingo: install the -dev packages
[08:28] <crimsun> dingo: what program are you attempting to compile?
[08:28] <dingo> crimsun, picwiz-0.3.1
[08:29] <CardinalSin> lo all.
[08:29] <crimsun> dingo: you'll need the required -dev packages
[08:29] <crimsun> 'lo CardinalSin
[08:30] <kleedrac> hey crimsun
[08:30] <crimsun> 'lo kleedrac
[08:30] <kleedrac> I'm having a weird gnome issue
[08:30] <crimsun> what sort?
[08:30] <kleedrac> I can browse the network through Nautilus and it works fine the first time ... then after I'm done if I try to do it again nautilus doesn't work!
[08:31] <kleedrac> It starts but loads forever ... won't even load my home dir!!
[08:31] <crimsun> kleedrac: with warty or hoary?
[08:31] <kleedrac> hoary
[08:31] <kleedrac> Which I believe uses Gnome 2.9
[08:31] <crimsun> kleedrac: have you checked the wiki and -user mailing list?
[08:31] <crimsun> (I don't know offhand what's causing that)
[08:32] <kleedrac> I google.ca/linux and didn't find anything ... would a more specific search help?
[08:32] <kleedrac> If I recall correctly it was doing this under warty as well
[08:33] <kleedrac> How would you describe this issue to the wiki?
[08:33] <crimsun> nautilus issues
[08:33] <Gaaruto> do you know this xmms erreur ? "segmentation error" ?
[08:34] <crimsun> Gaaruto: that's too vague an error to be useful
[08:34] <crimsun> kleedrac: make sure you search the ubuntu-user mailing list archives, too
[08:35] <thoreauputic> Gaaruto: that could happen with any program ( seg fault ) It basically means it crashed :) (technical explanation I know ;)
[08:36] <Gaaruto> when i try to lauch xmms in terminal i got this error
[08:37] <kleedrac> No love on the wiki :)
[08:38] <crimsun> Gaaruto: strace -o foo.txt -fF xmms
[08:41] <Gaaruto> crimsun> ok
[08:41] <Gaaruto> and ?
[08:41] <crimsun> paste the foo.txt on paste.plone.org
[08:42] <thoreauputic> Gaaruto: foo.txt will contain info on what happened
[08:42] <Gaaruto> i read it, it the same thing "Segmentation fault"
[08:42] <intinig> can I install debian sarge .debs without risking my life?
[08:43] <Gaaruto> i paste only the last lines ok ?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> intinig: no ;)
[08:43] <intinig> thoreauputic, ouch :(
[08:43] <intinig> build from source?
[08:43] <Gaaruto> (there are more 9000 lines)
[08:43] <thoreauputic> intinig: sid maybe, but risky
[08:44] <Gaaruto> http://paste.plone.org/89
[08:46] <intinig> any url for a howto/tutorial on good practices for building custom debs?
[08:47] <thoreauputic> intinig: what are you wanting to install?
[08:47] <intinig> trac0.8
[08:47] <intinig> and CBView
[08:47] <thrift> hey does anyone know how to clear the partition table on a disk, I got myself in a little trouble
[08:48] <topyli> intinig: if you want to install debian packages, get sid sources and build packages on your box. that's safe
[08:48] <wezzer> cfdisk?
[08:48] <topyli> intinig: that is, if there are sid packages for what you want :)
[08:48] <thrift> cfdisk claims it can not read the partition table...evms sees the partitions though
[08:48] <wezzer> fdisk?
[08:49] <thrift> claims it can not open the disk
[08:49] <wezzer> umm
[08:49] <wezzer> I had a problem that cfdisk could't get disk opened but fdisk cleared partition table ok
[08:49] <thrift> I must of done something retarded, did it to all 3 raid disks too, luckily i backed up the data right before this
[08:49] <thrift> if there was a command line to just clear it without trying to read i think i would be ok...clearly it works at some level for evms to see the partitions fine
[08:50] <intinig> building my .debs from source is a big no?
[08:50] <kleedrac> crimsun: What exactly is gamin?
[08:50] <crimsun> kleedrac: it's a replacement for fam
[08:51] <thoreauputic> intinig: you could try using checkinstall
[08:51] <thrift> actually...the kernel appears to see the partition table too, as the devices exist in /dev per partition, but i can't even cfdisk -z
[08:51] <kleedrac> All right what's fam? :)
[08:51] <thoreauputic> File Alteration Monitor or something like that
[08:51] <topyli> intinig: no, that's fine
[08:52] <crimsun> Gaaruto: bzip2 foo.txt; place the foo.txt.bz2 on a web site
[08:52] <crimsun> Gaaruto: the version you pasted is not enough
[08:52] <topyli> intinig: debian sources are just easiest to build (on debian :)
[08:52] <thrift> hrm...oddly enough i can't open another unaltered disk on my raid controller either...perhaps it's a problem with the raid controller/driver
[08:52] <crimsun> kleedrac: think of gamin as a way to say "hey, X changed in the filesystem"
[08:52] <TTilus> raid problems
[08:53] <TTilus> tried to create soft raid0 from 2 SATA discs
[08:53] <TTilus> filesystem creation failed
[08:53] <thrift> TTilus: you have an md device you tried to create the fs on?
[08:54] <TTilus> thrift: y
[08:54] <TTilus> thrift: during installation with the tools provided
[08:54] <Gaaruto> crimsun> ok
[08:55] <kleedrac> crimsun: kewl thanks ... I'll be back .. I think a reboot may help
[08:55] <thrift> ttilus: i'v enever done it using ubuntu tools...what you should do is edit /etf/raidtab, make sure that is ok, mkraid /dev/mdx, raidstart /dev/mdx, mkfs.fs /dev/mdx
[08:55] <thrift> /etc/raidtab even
[08:56] <TTilus> thrift: what if i want to have root on that raid0
[08:57] <thrift> ttilus: I don't know exactly nor would i suggest...i've done it once, later the system got hosed, it was total hell to fix it
[08:57] <TTilus> i dont inted to fix it but rather have nice full backups  :)
[08:58] <bborkk> I just upgraded from Warty to Hoary.  Nothing catastrophic yet, but on boot it seems that X doesn't start correctly.  Instead, it looks like it tries to start but then leaves me with a login prompt.  Running startx after logging in works.  Any ideas?
[08:58] <thrift> pfft oh hell i feel like such a noob, you guys saw i was having problem sreading the partition table...i wasn't root and the error message didn't say anything about it, so i didn't even think...bah
[08:58] <thrift> ttilus: well none the less I personally don't know what to do specifically for a / raid in ubuntu
[08:58] <Gaaruto> crimsun> http://membres.lycos.fr/gaaruto2k80/foo.txt.bz2
[08:58] <TTilus> thrift: what kind of configuration would you suggest?
[08:59] <thrift> ttilus: I personally use a scsi for my system, and then ide raid for media and the like on /home/raid or /home at times
[09:00] <thrift> ttilus: if you have an extra ide or sata I would suggets you use that for the os and then hook up your sata raid drives where needed and bind directorys where you want speed to the raid as needed
[09:16] <bborkk> Is there a version of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto that explains how to use fglrx with X.org?
[09:16] <Tsjoklat> bborkk no need for that.. works great without it
[09:17] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: I have an ATI FireGL T2 and hardware acceleration isn't working.
[09:18] <bborkk> I just upgraded from Warty (where hardware acceleration was working)... of course, X won't even start on boot.  Perhaps I should look into that first.
[09:19] <daniels> bborkk: ati haven't released a version of fglrx that works with x.org yet
[09:19] <thrift> anyone know how to use evms.  I would like to create a raid 5 array out of 4 disks in it, but it is quite complex
[09:19] <bborkk> daniels: Is there a schedule, or am I at the mercy of the proprietary hordes?
[09:19] <Tsjoklat> and there you have your answer bborrkk
[09:20] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Okay, thanks.  I don't really need that right now anyway.  Any idea on why X won't properly start on boot up?  Manually starting X seems to work.
[09:21] <bborkk> Also, I'm having trouble changing virtual terminals.
[09:22] <Tsjoklat> bborkk did you make a backup of your XF86 config?
[09:22] <Tsjoklat> you could compare it with the xorg one
[09:22] <Tsjoklat> (I also heard from users that renameing XF86 to xorg would work)
[09:24] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Yep, I have a backup, but I don't know where to find my xorg config file.
[09:25] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Actually, it looks like my XFree config file was never removed.
[09:25] <daniels> bborkk: no schedule as I'm aware of, sorry
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> bborkk it is in /etc/X*
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> type in console: cd /etc/X*
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> then ls
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> and you should see it
[09:27] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: The XFree config file I'm looking at is in /etc/X11
[09:27] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: No mention of an xorg in that directory.
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> bborkk did you do a complete dist-upgrade?
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> otherwise: apt-get install x-window-system-core
[09:29] <Tsjoklat> and it should upgrade to xorg
[09:29] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Ah.  That might be it.  I simply replaced "Warty" with "Hoary" in my sources.list file.  Is that considered a dist-upgrade?
[09:29] <Tsjoklat> no
[09:29] <Tsjoklat> replace warty with hoary
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> make sure you got: main restricted universe multiverse
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> then do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> and it should do it for you
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> hi sid77
[09:30] <thoreauputic> don't forget the apt-get update first ;)
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> oops yes sorry!
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> thank you so kindly thoreauputic
[09:31] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Okay, I'll try that.  I assume it won't nuke everything and start from scratch?  Yep, I'll update first.  Thanks.
[09:31] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: :)
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic :)
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> no bborkk it will land you in hoary.. and that's where you want to be right
[09:32] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Yep.  I'll give it a whirl and be back soonish.  Thanks again.
[09:32] <Tsjoklat> bborkk most welcome.. good luck
[09:32] <|QuaD-> alo Tsjoklat
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD .. ladiesman of the hour :)
[09:33] <|QuaD-> ladies man? i wish
[09:33] <|QuaD-> :)
[09:34] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD hey you make killer buttered noodles right? :P
[09:34] <|QuaD-> clearly... i am the best at making them... well maybe not the best, but they are edible
[09:34] <|QuaD-> i also make rice!
[09:34] <|QuaD-> i can actually cook when there is a reason.... like a have someone of the femal gender coming over and is expectin a decent dinner
[09:35] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD waaaaw stop! pretty soon I am going to think you are the man with unlimited powers
[09:35] <|QuaD-> lol
[09:35] <Tsjoklat> talk about ubu.. that way you don't frighten me so much :)
[09:36] <|QuaD-> haha nothing to talk about... i have been away from my computer for a while... just ssh'ing in
[09:36] <|QuaD-> screen is amazing
[09:36] <|QuaD-> I am considering writing a wiki on it (if it hasn't been done yet)
[09:38] <kleedrac> Anyone having issues with gaim on msn?  It randomly spits my message back saying "Message could not be delivered: a connection error has occured"
[09:40] <topyli> kleedrac: haven't talked to people on msn recently. perhaps they have "extended" their protocol for a change :)
[09:40] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: i decided to idle in this debian woman chat that whoever was talking about... it is the funniest thing
[09:41] <kleedrac> heh ... like I said it happens randomly ... no certain time/user/anything afaik topyli
[09:42] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD Simira... oh what do you mean?
[09:43] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD what is so funny about it
[09:43] <|QuaD-> well, in most normal channels, you talk about the topic, like here it is ubuntu, or whatever, so i assume that there it is... well debian... however they are having the same type of girltalk my female friends tend to have
[09:43] <BAOBAB> hi peoples
[09:43] <|QuaD-> it just doesn't remind me of irc
[09:44] <topyli> kleedrac: a "random linux user random harrassment random patch" perhaps? :)
[09:44] <BAOBAB> i am stupid man
[09:44] <kleedrac> topyli: Wouldn't put it past them :)
[09:44] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: just go idle in there and occasionally read the convos
[09:44] <|QuaD-> BAOBAB: i don't argue... jk, whats up
[09:44] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD that is excactly what I don't like/want :{
[09:44] <BAOBAB> quad are you clever?
[09:45] <Tsjoklat> BAOBAB what is your question
[09:45] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: haha
[09:45] <|QuaD-> BAOBAB: haha
[09:45] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: it kind of reminds me of a woman's rights organization... though they forgot what they are fighting for
[09:46] <BAOBAB> Quad dont laugh at me, because it makes me cry
[09:46] <BAOBAB> and i dont like tears
[09:46] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD well it seems that linux for/with women is still far gone... too bad, was hoping that something would happen at last... guess I am stuck with you guys
[09:47] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: am i that bad ??? :)
[09:47] <|QuaD-> BAOBAB: are you going to ask your question?
[09:47] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD that's beyond the point... I think if women in linux ever want to be taken serious they should have a more seriouse approach to matters then talking about menstrual pads
[09:48] <BAOBAB> |QuaD yes. My question: Is there life on mars and girls?
[09:48] <|QuaD-> Tsjoklat: just go idle ther for a little
[09:48] <kleedrac> and 405 pieces of gold, after 2714 moves.
[09:48] <kleedrac> You were level 7 with a maximum of 48 hit points when you died.
[09:48] <kleedrac> oops wrong channel sorry :)
[09:48] <Tsjoklat> kleedrac: you suck :P
[09:48] <kleedrac> I know
[09:49] <BAOBAB> i am going crazy
[09:49] <|QuaD-> what is "dungeons of doom"
[09:49] <kleedrac> I've been playing that stupid game for like 7 years and I've never acsended ... or did you mean that I spammed? :)
[09:49] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD something kleedrac sucks at :)
[09:49] <|QuaD-> lol
[09:49] <kleedrac> Quad: Nethack man ... nethack ... more specifically telnet nethac.alt.org
[09:49] <kleedrac> nethack.alt.org sorry
[09:49] <kleedrac> missed the 'k'
[09:50] <|QuaD-> blah... can you pm that to my other nick?
[09:50] <kleedrac> What's your other nick?
[09:50] <|QuaD-> so when i actuall have time i can check it out
[09:50] <|QuaD-> |QuaD|
[09:50] <|QuaD-> lol
[09:50] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD feels lonely when he doesn't have his alter ego with him
[09:50] <kleedrac> done and done :)
[09:50] <kleedrac> I have ten personalities but they're all nuts huh?
[09:51] <|QuaD-> haha... basically my problem is i have been in the lab or office every waking hour
[09:51] <|QuaD-> or just about
[09:52] <kleedrac> You never did answer me when I asked what your thesis is on the other night
[09:52] <kleedrac> mebbe you never noticed
[09:52] <|QuaD-> i thouhgt i did
[09:52] <|QuaD-> location detection by belief propagation
[09:52] <BAOBAB> |QuaD wont you get some beer for me some day?
[09:52] <|QuaD-> want a 1 page summary / something?
[09:52] <BAOBAB> |QuaD i like beer
[09:53] <sid77> ok, noob questions of the day: I've just apt-get upgraded hoary, how do I change a gnome menu item properties? with right click I only see "add this launcher to panel" and "entire menu". the "applications:///" location also do not work
[09:53] <kleedrac> Quad: sure kleedrac@gmail.com I'm always up for reading interesting stuff :)
[09:53] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: What're you canadian or something?
[09:54] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: hold up... i will put it on my site
[09:55] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: may i send you spam?
[09:55] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: plese
[09:55] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: please don't
[09:55] <kleedrac> Quad: kewl
[09:55] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: http://www.slovin.us/thesis[1] .proposal.for.ece.office.doc
[09:55] <|QuaD-> i hope that is the latest copy
[09:55] <|QuaD-> if there are a few typos... then it wasn't
[09:56] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: Ok , i wont if you pay me some money :)
[09:56] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: I'm canadian our money's worthless :)
[09:56] <kleedrac> though pretty :)
[09:57] <|QuaD-> lol
[09:57] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: then you can invite me to your place and give me some food. I am very hungry
[09:58] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: Where you at anyhow?
[09:58] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: i'm not asking too much as you can see :)
[09:58] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: depends on how much you think of gmail's spam blocker :)
[09:59] <|QuaD-> gmail's spam blocker is nice
[09:59] <kleedrac> Quad: Connection timed out while talking to www.slovin.us
[09:59] <kleedrac> I agree
[09:59] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: spam will never die anyway, it just will find new ways to reach all of you :)
[09:59] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: really? what does it resolv to... my hosts dns servers suck
[10:00] <kleedrac> 168.122.189.188
[10:01] <kleedrac> --- slovin.us ping statistics ---
[10:01] <kleedrac> 11 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 9998ms
[10:01] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: I agree but the last thing I need is someone signing me up for shit :D
[10:01] <cef> BAOBAB: it'll only die when it's unprofitable
[10:02] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: sides most of that shit is american only :)
[10:02] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: blah... let me get you the ip
[10:02] <Kamion> kleedrac: (play valkyries)
[10:03] <kleedrac> Kamion: But I like the starting package wiz's get ... I got a scroll of genocide and a ring of tele and ring of tele-control once!!! Died on Dlvl 4 :P
[10:03] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: how do you fight with SMS spam?
[10:04] <Kamion> kleedrac: valks are the easiest class by far; wizards are very powerful later but their early game is very difficult
[10:04] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: Thank god my phone doesn't support SMS :)
[10:04] <kleedrac> Kamion: Well seeing as how I'm averaging killing 4-5 of my own char's a day I don't see why not :)
[10:04] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: http://66.194.152.230/thesis[1] .proposal.for.ece.office.doc
[10:04] <|QuaD-> try that
[10:04] <|QuaD-> anyone else who wants to see my undergrad thesis proposal can :)
[10:05] <Kamion> kleedrac: last time I asked for advice on not dying so often, the advice was "play valks"; I ascended about a month later
[10:05] <Kamion> anyway, this ain't #nethack I guess :)
[10:05] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: i didn't know that there are such phones nowadays :)
[10:05] <kleedrac> Quad: now I'm getting a 404
[10:05] <kleedrac> Kamion: I'm in #nethack too :)
[10:05] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: you are lucky :)
[10:06] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: There are when you hate cellphones and go out of your way to find the GDSM phone with the least features on the market ... incedentally the Siemens C56 does it :)
[10:07] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: I'm back.  Works great.  Thanks.
[10:07] <bborkk> How do I reinstall ubuntu-desktop?
[10:07] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: do you use ICQ?
[10:07] <bborkk> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop returns a broken package error.
[10:07] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: try this again: http://www.slovin.us/thesis.proposal.for.ece.office.doc  if that doesn't work, i will post it for you tomorrow (when i get the dns servers fixed). i pay $4 a month for an amazing hosting plan, but they are currently fixing my dns servers
[10:08] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: yes and I know the trick of signing UIN@icq.com to gay porn mailing lists ... I did it to a friend of mine :)
[10:08] <bborkk> Never mind... all is well.
[10:09] <kleedrac> There we go ... that one worked Quad :)
[10:09] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: yesterday i found a prog that finds out the birthday of you ICQ number :)
[10:09] <kleedrac> Really?
[10:09] <kleedrac> Neat
[10:09] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: that is the date when you number was registered
[10:09] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: FINALLY
[10:09] <Tsjoklat> bborrk got it all working now?
[10:09] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: and how much spam goes to my ICQ# :)
[10:10] <kleedrac> Quad: I know ... I'll read it tomorrow though ... I think I need to sleep soon ...
[10:10] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: :) me too
[10:11] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: dont waste your time on sleeping!
[10:12] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: But it's hard to concentrate with my wife snoring beside me :)
[10:13] <neighborlee> lol
[10:13] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: My wife hates my comp :)
[10:13] <cef> kleedrac: that's what socks are for
[10:13] <bborkk> Okay, I just updated to Hoary... how do I logout?  :)
[10:13] <|QuaD-> Kamion: you still around?
[10:13] <Tsjoklat> bborrk what do you mean?
[10:14] <Kamion> |QuaD-: sure, only 10:15am here
[10:14] <kleedrac> cef: LOL but she's pregnant!!
[10:14] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: Thusly why I love my laptop and wifi :)
[10:14] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: System->Logout is no longer in the menu.
[10:14] <cef> kleedrac: ahh ok.. oxygen mask then?
[10:14] <|QuaD-> Kamion: i was going to ask you to take care of baobab
[10:14] <kleedrac> cef: Don't have one handy :)
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> bborkk it is under the other two
[10:14] <kleedrac> BAOBAB: Thusly why I love my laptop and wifi :)
[10:15] <Tsjoklat> bborkk but the menus are a tad messed up... best thing to do is to add log out button to your menu or shutdown from console
[10:15] <kleedrac> Well ... I'm gonna pass out at the kb so ... night all!!
[10:15] <|QuaD-> i am going to to put my stuff back in my office and head home... i will be back in like 30 mins :)
[10:16] <thrift> has anyone here used evms?
[10:16] <BAOBAB> kleedrac: wish u C++ dreams
[10:16] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: I added it to a panel.  Thanks.
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> bborkk it will be fixed... not sure when :)
[10:16] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Now off to see if X.org works.  Back in a bit.
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> bborkk toodles
[10:21] <BAOBAB> 
[10:25] <BAOBAB> beezly: do you have a problem?
[10:25] <beezly> BAOBAB: hmm
[10:25] <beezly> BAOBAB: trouble with X under hoary
[10:25] <beezly> crashes if I load firefox over a remote SSH session
[10:25] <BAOBAB> beezly: i will help you for $1000
[10:25] <beezly> (ie, if I load firefox over SSH from another machine)
[10:25] <BAOBAB> :)
[10:26] <BAOBAB> beezly:  i am very kind :)
[10:26] <beezly> hahaaa... I can help myself for that kind of money
[10:27] <Tsjoklat> wb bborkk
[10:27] <beezly> $1000 Taiwan New Dollars maybe :)
[10:27] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Yo.  All is well.  Cheers.
[10:27] <|QuaD|> brr... it was cold outside
[10:27] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: After changing the driver from fglrx to ati in xorg.conf, everything seems to work.  Even my logout menu option is back.
[10:28] <Tsjoklat> bborkk that is fabio.. glad it all went smoothly
[10:28] <beezly> hahah or Jamaican Dollars
[10:28] <beezly> $1000 JMD = 8.39 GBP
[10:29] <beezly> actually, the way the US$ is at the moment, it's probably about the same in that too
[10:29] <BAOBAB> beezly: how you know about Taiwan?
[10:29] <BAOBAB> beezly: do you live there?
[10:29] <beezly> BAOBAB: nope, UK
[10:29] <bborkk> Does anyone else get a jittery screen fade out when logging out?
[10:29] <BAOBAB> beezly: lets go to Taiwan for pretty girls :)
[10:30] <bborkk> BAOBAB: Just what Taiwan needs...
[10:30] <BAOBAB> bborkk: if you have any problems just sell you pc and buy a new one
[10:31] <BAOBAB> bborkk: my advice is very wise
[10:31] <beezly> BAOBAB: there are pretty girls here thanks
[10:32] <bborkk> So, no jittery fade out for anyone else on logout?
[10:32] <beezly> bborkk: under PPC I think I get that
[10:32] <bob2> it happens to lots of people
[10:32] <topyli> BAOBAB: yeah. those that come with ms works 2000 lite and SIX MONTHS of FREE Internet security are wonderful
[10:33] <thrift> i've just setup a raid5 with evms, setup fstab, rebooted, it mounted fine, but my raid disks are lit up like a christmas tree and i can't figure out where the activity is coming from, does anyone know what could be causing this and if this is standard behavior?
[10:34] <bborkk> beezly: Seems like an easy thing to fix/change and it would add some polish to the user experience.
[10:34] <thrift> n/m drives are just resyncing
[10:35] <_|Imanewbie|_> Hello, how do I check the amount of free memory on fat-c?
[10:35] <thrift> df -h
[10:35] <BAOBAB> why dont people  love ms windows? It's the best OS for home
[10:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> thrift: thx
[10:36] <bip> only for masochist ppl BAOBAB ;-)
[10:36] <Tsjoklat> amen bip
[10:36] <bip> amen Tsjoklat
[10:36] <bob2> this is kinda off-topic, folks
[10:36] <thrift> np
[10:37] <beezly> BAOBAB: all sorts for all sorts
[10:38] <BAOBAB> thoreauputic: unix is best if you want to know much. But if you wants just work or relax and have no problems Windows is the best
[10:39] <BAOBAB> thoreauputic: amen
[10:39] <bip> ever tried a mac BAOBAB ?
[10:39] <della> hi
[10:39] <beezly> BAOBAB: as I said, all sorts for all sorts. have you tried ubuntu or are you just lurking?
[10:40] <BAOBAB> bip: never :(
[10:40] <bip> it s way more relaxin the m$ crap
[10:40] <bob2> bip: BAOBAB beezly #advocacy or something, please
[10:40] <bip> and it even has hidden unix feature when u need em ;-)
[10:40] <thoreauputic> beezly: "lurking" is very kind - I would have used a word normally associated with Scandinavian folk tales
[10:40] <cef> BAOBAB: enough of the windows talk. this channel is #ubuntu for a reason
[10:40] <della> I upgraded xfree86 from debian to warty's version; now something odd is happening
[10:40] <beezly> thoreauputic: hehe
[10:41] <della> looks like .xsession is not respected, while .xinit is
[10:41] <Tsjoklat> bborkk got your problems solved now with x and your menu?
[10:41] <della> and gdm doesn't start, I only see the pointer on a black background
[10:42] <BAOBAB> cef: ok. Ubuntu is the best. Ubuntu is my religion. Ubuntu is my wife
[10:42] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Both seem to be fine... now I'm wrestling with ACPI.  Do you happen to know any tricks for the IBM Thinkpad T42p?  Does Ubuntu include ibm-acpi?
[10:42] <bob2> BAOBAB: you can like whatever you want, but this is not a channel for discussing windows
[10:42] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Oops.  I take it back.  I still have to upgrade the x-window-system-core package.
[10:43] <bob2> bborkk: the 2.6.9 in hoary includes some magic from matthew garret
[10:43] <bob2> t
[10:43] <beezly> hmm, no ubuntu for Sparc :( boohoo
[10:43] <BAOBAB> bob2: dont be too angry
[10:43] <bborkk> bob2: Magic is a plus.  Anything in particular I should do?
[10:43] <bob2> beezly: soon!
[10:43] <beezly> bob2: really?
[10:43] <beezly> I have an E4500 just waiting for it!
[10:43] <bob2> beezly: yes
[10:44] <bob2> cef: didn't arrive yet?
[10:44] <cef> bob2: no.. which by now is actually starting to be annoying
[10:44] <bob2> bborkk: are you using warty or hoary?
[10:44] <bob2> cef: hm, according to reports fro mhome, mine haven't either
[10:44] <bborkk> I just finished upgrading to Hoary a couple of minutes ago.
[10:44] <beezly> bob2: is there any info on progress anywhere? never spotted anything on the ubuntu wiki or anything
[10:44] <bborkk> bob2: I just finished upgrading to Hoary a couple of minutes ago.
[10:45] <cef> bob2: yeah.. If the list is alphabetical by last name, I'll be waiting a while
[10:45] <bob2> bborkk: then rebooting to 2.6.9 should help...but afaik there's still problems with acpi on t42
[10:45] <topyli> cef: my cds haven't arrived yet either. i was hoping to give them away to people at ork while the version is still current :\
[10:45] <bob2> cef: hehe, me too
[10:45] <bob2> topyli: dude, it's been out for < 2 months
[10:45] <nessmuk> me three!
[10:46] <BAOBAB> topyli: my CDs arrived yestarday though i was wayting for 4 months for them :)
[10:46] <bborkk> bob2: I found this page: http://www.stanford.edu/~sanjiv/thinkpad/thinkpad.html which seems to indicate there is hope after some fussing about.
[10:46] <bob2> you didn't  wait 4 months
[10:46] <cef> BAOBAB: what's your last name start with?
[10:46] <BAOBAB> cef: with F
[10:46] <bob2> ubuntu was announced < 3 months ago
[10:47] <nessmuk> I have a question about galeon...browser. It says it has to remove ubuntu-desktop in order to install galeon. This broke my ubuntu and I had to reinstall. Is there a workaround?
[10:47] <beezly> mine have arrived... a good stash of 'em
[10:47] <cef> hrm.. some ppl in Sydney got them I know.. *sigh*
[10:48] <cef> bob2: amd64 and i386 particularly would be useful about now
[10:48] <della> nessmuk: did you put anything in /etc/apt.conf[.d/] ?
[10:48] <topyli> bob2: true, i guess they'll have them in good time
[10:48] <bob2> beezly: do they have a fix for the "10% of power per hour" thing?
[10:48] <BAOBAB> bob2: about 4 months
[10:48] <bob2> cef: ah, handing them out?
[10:48] <beezly> bob2: what's that?
[10:48] <nessmuk> della...nope. No idea what that is. Very low end here. Mac user, new to CLUI
[10:48] <BAOBAB> anyway they arrived and i am very glad
[10:48] <Tsjoklat> nesmuk removing ubuntu-desktop should not bork your box
[10:48] <cef> bob2: using them actually.. would like to redo one of my desktops and my new lappy when I get it
[10:49] <sladen> nessmuk: ubuntu-desktop is just an alias package that depends on everything you need for the dedeafult desktop
[10:49] <bborkk> bob2: Do you know if there are plans to include ibm-acpi in Ubuntu?
[10:49] <Tsjoklat> nessmuk you'll lose ubu-desktop anyways the moment you install totem-xine
[10:49] <sladen> nessmuk: fine to let it remove it, since it won't actually remove anything
[10:49] <bob2> BAOBAB: I was at the preview release launch party
[10:49] <nessmuk> tsok...della....I had to reinstall
[10:49] <bob2> cef: ah, cool
[10:49] <della> nessmuk: why? did you remove also other packets?
[10:50] <della> nessmuk: ubuntu-desktop is only dependencies
[10:50] <cef> bob2: and since I don't have a bootdisk and hoary failed to boot after upgrading from warty on the desktop, and it has the burner in it.. *sigh*
[10:50] <BAOBAB> bob2: is it possible to make a GPRS connection in UBUNTU?
[10:50] <bob2> bborkk: apparently it's getting merged into 2.6.10 anyway, but ubuntu's kernels have some of the fixes already
[10:50] <nessmuk> no....I just told Synaptic to install Galeon
[10:50] <bob2> BAOBAB: yes
[10:51] <nessmuk> della....I don't understand. Doesn't dependencies mean that if the named item is uninstalled it will mess things up?
[10:51] <BAOBAB> bob2: thanx
[10:51] <Tsjoklat> nessmuk no it is just a metapackage
[10:51] <bborkk> bob2: Would installing ibm-acpi with the 2.6.9 kernel cause any problems you think?
[10:51] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[10:51] <della> nessmuk: A depending on B means that A needs B to be installed to work
[10:51] <da_bon_bon> is azz here?
[10:51] <BAOBAB> da_bon_bon: hi
[10:51] <della> and APT does all the dependency's work for you
[10:52] <nessmuk> my situation is that Firefox takes all the power in my current setup. New one coming...but I like damnedsmalllinux and Beatrix....maybe gonna run a silent box off usb. But I like the small browsers. Would like a few more features than dillo.
[10:52] <della> for instance, ubuntu-desktop depends on a lot of things
[10:52] <da_bon_bon> BAOBAB: hi
[10:52] <BAOBAB> da_bon_bon: your nick is very funny
[10:52] <da_bon_bon> BAOBAB: u know the meaning of it?
[10:52] <della> so that if you want to install a complete desktop, you just tell apt to install it
[10:52] <Tsjoklat> nessmuk tried epiphany?
[10:52] <bob2> bborkk: I don't know if it will apply or not, but it'd probably work
[10:52] <nessmuk> della...that's what I thought
[10:52] <della> and it will install all dependencies
[10:52] <nessmuk> tsjok...no. Is it good? Gnomish?
[10:53] <della> nessmuk: but there can be conflicts
[10:53] <Tsjoklat> nessmuk totally gnome works like a charm
[10:53] <tsw> bborkk: ibm-acpi? for laptops?
[10:53] <Tsjoklat> I never use ff myself
[10:53] <thoreauputic> nessmuk: epiphany is the current default browser for Gnome
[10:53] <da_bon_bon> BAOBAB: what is the meaning og "da_bon_bon" ??
[10:53] <Tsjoklat> epiph is really good with lots of extensions
[10:53] <della> nessmuk: to cut a long story short, why did you want to install galeon?
[10:53] <BAOBAB> who can sell me a cheap used notebook?
[10:53] <bborkk> tsw: Yep.  Supposed to add support not already available in the kernel.
[10:54] <nessmuk> della...I thought if Galeon was gnomish, it would just add itself in, not remove something. Would I need to reinstall ubuntu-desktop?
[10:54] <da_bon_bon> hey, anyone here upto sending me a CD? shipit aint delivered from 2 months :(
[10:54] <della> nessmuk: why not epiphany or firefox?
[10:54] <bborkk> tsw: Checkout http://ibm-acpi.sf.net
[10:54] <nessmuk> della...from what little I read about "nix browsers, it seemed to be best, next to huge ram hogs like FF
[10:54] <della> nessmuk: firefox is not a ram hog
[10:54] <candyman> hi all: I am using ubuntu on a computer that has a drive caddy for my hdd. this is where I have my backups and work, and I don't know how to automount it. Right now I am rewriting fstab everytime. That sucks. Quick man -k howto? I can read docs, I just don't know which ones to read.
[10:54] <BAOBAB> da_bon_bon: be patient and you will get it :)
[10:55] <tsw> bborkk: good to know.. I installed ubuntu on my ibm thinkpad 390x few days ago and couldnt get any kind of apm or acpi support
[10:55] <nessmuk> della...I have FF, but it chokes my current box. Is epiphany such a ramhog. And is in on the cd?
[10:55] <Tsjoklat> nessmuk I have a very sad box and epiph runs awesome
[10:55] <bborkk> nessmuk: Where did you read that about Galeon?
[10:55] <da_bon_bon> BAOBAB: why not directly tell me?
[10:55] <da_bon_bon> BAOBAB: oh oh u wre talking about shipit?
[10:55] <da_bon_bon> BAOBAB: i wanna try ubuntu but am waiting for the damned CD
[10:55] <topyli> della: i just wish epiphany didn't depend on mozilla
[10:55] <karlheg> candyman, EIDE or USB?
[10:56] <karlheg> USB is most handy, since you can hotplug it.
[10:56] <karlheg> There are USB internal mobile racks out.
[10:56] <della> topyli: why?
[10:56] <bborkk> tsw: The www.linux-thinkpad.org website has an active mailing list as well, even if the webpage itself hasn't been updated in 4 years.
[10:57] <da_bon_bon> hey, anyone here upto sending me a CD? shipit aint delivered from 2 months :(
[10:57] <cef> da_bon_bon: same here..
[10:57] <karlheg> da_bon_bon, Can't you burn one?
[10:57] <da_bon_bon> cef: when did u order from shipit?
[10:57] <karlheg> CD burner at school?
[10:57] <da_bon_bon> karlheg: i am not over cbale or dsl or t1
[10:57] <karlheg> I ordered several weeks ago and have not gotten them either.
[10:58] <topyli> della: i'd rather just install the engine part, not mozilla-browser
[10:58] <Bh420> same here
[10:58] <karlheg> da_bon_bon, Ah.  Very slow.
[10:58] <cef> da_bon_bon: ages ago... according to shipit they left on the 8th.. still not here
[10:58] <karlheg> Where are you?
[10:58] <Bh420> ordered mine right after warty went final
[10:58] <da_bon_bon> karlheg: yes. :(
[10:58] <cef> da_bon_bon: I ordered mine before warty went final
[10:58] <da_bon_bon> cef: my page never shows "delivered" or something :(
[10:59] <nessmuk> bborkk...it was here, from google: http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main....they recommendemd Galeon
[10:59] <da_bon_bon> cef: thats a long long time ago!
[10:59] <bborkk> nessmuk: Thanks.
[10:59] <nessmuk> tsjok...I'm gonna look at epiphany
[11:00] <da_bon_bon> many ppl have recived shipit cd, but not me :(
[11:00] <Tsjoklat> nessmuk good idea :0
[11:00] <karlheg> Maybe I asked for too many.
[11:00] <nessmuk> away....looking in Synaptic
[11:00] <karlheg> I want to give them away here on campus.
[11:00] <karlheg> I would like to see a lot more students using Linux.
[11:01] <da_bon_bon> karlheg: i asked for 10, do u think its too many? :(
[11:01] <karlheg> No.
[11:01] <karlheg> ... but I'm not in charge of that.
[11:01] <javiolo> how can i install ubuntu in a firewire hd ?
[11:01] <karlheg> I don't work for Canonical or Ubuntu; I'm just a user.
[11:01] <da_bon_bon> karlheg: if i reduce the no. of cds wanted, do u think they will ship it earlier?
[11:02] <cef> da_bon_bon: my cd's shipped (supposedly) on the 8th of Nov
[11:02] <beezly> da_bon_bon: I got 20 CD's shipped already
[11:02] <karlheg> javiolo, It may require extending the installer; it may not support that yet.
[11:02] <karlheg> da_bon_bon, I have no way of knowing.
[11:02] <da_bon_bon> beezly: godd for u :) but i did not get 10, whats this partiality? where do u stay?
[11:02] <beezly> UK
[11:03] <beezly> although I *think* they were posted from the UK
[11:03] <javiolo> karlheg: thanks :(
[11:03] <nessmuk> tsjok....so I see epiph in Synaptic. Should I also remove FF?
[11:03] <candyman> karlheg, they are EIDE
[11:03] <nessmuk> i don't use Open office at all. Can I just delete that without breaking anything?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> nessmuk: no - why?
[11:04] <candyman> /dev/hdd is a removable, I have several drives on caddies
[11:04] <Tsjoklat> nessmuk no
[11:04] <nessmuk> save space
[11:04] <candyman> I plug them in and out (with the computer off), but rewriting fstab is a pain
[11:04] <Tsjoklat> just remove it from your menu and never open it up
[11:04] <Tsjoklat> it's a dep
[11:04] <candyman> they are all partitioned differently
[11:05] <nessmuk> I'm real old school mac user....like the lean'n'mean OS 7 stuff when I can. I like using WannaBe text browser until I get to a link I actually wanna look at in graphics, then I switch. I like dillo
[11:05] <nessmuk> Tsjok...thanx
[11:05] <karlheg> javiolo, You could try the Live CD.
[11:06] <nessmuk> has anyone looked at or used Beatrix or Knoppix off a usb stick?
[11:06] <thoreauputic> nessmuk: you might like Links graphical ;)
[11:06] <Tsjoklat> nessmuk ask in #beatrix
[11:06] <nessmuk> tsjok...are they on freenode?
[11:06] <bborkk> What does it mean to authenticate a package?
[11:07] <bborkk> Specifically, I get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" when I install certain packages.
[11:07] <javiolo> karlheg why the livecd ?
[11:07] <Tsjoklat> nessmuk yes
[11:07] <Tsjoklat> bborkk: apt-get update and it will be fixed
[11:07] <nessmuk> thoreau....I was looking at w3m as a text browser...but I still don't know how to open it after it's install in usr/bin
[11:07] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: not necessarily
[11:07] <Tsjoklat> Kamion maybe not but that's what worked for me :)
[11:08] <Kamion> bborkk: apt now looks for signatures on package repositories
[11:08] <Kamion> bborkk: Debian and Ubuntu repositories are signed, but third-party ones may not be
[11:08] <Kamion> unsigned archives produce that warning
[11:08] <Tsjoklat> good idea
[11:08] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Kamion is right, I think, as updating didn't do it and I'm installing from a 3rd party repository.
[11:08] <thoreauputic> nessmuk: probably just type w3m - I don't know the exact command but it should be in your path
[11:09] <bborkk> Kamion: Is this a new feature?
[11:09] <Tsjoklat> bborkk of course Kamion is right.. he is sitting on top of the devs.. I don't :)
[11:09] <Kamion> bborkk: yep
[11:09] <thoreauputic> nessmuk: try typing ` which w3m` to see if it is
[11:09] <Kamion> bborkk: landed a day or two ago
[11:09] <nessmuk> thoreau...thnx
[11:10] <Kamion> some issues probably still need to be shaken out
[11:10] <bborkk> Kamion: Seems to be nice so far.
[11:10] <Tsjoklat> bborkk I only throw in the group what I tried and succesfully executed.. no failsafe
[11:10] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Oh yeah, forgot about that.  Much appreciated nonetheless.
[11:11] <Tsjoklat> I want to stay young and looking crisp for a tad longer.. :) all the headaches and grey hair devs have...
[11:12] <sesomwork> hi
[11:12] <nessmuk> tsjok...I can see using terminal to check or run an app...but how do I get things like xmms and w3m to show in my menubar with the other installed apps?
[11:14] <Tsjoklat> nautilus applications:/// add there
[11:14] <nessmuk> I thought, from doing numerous other linux installs, that it was kinda regular to give twice as much swap space as you have ram. But ubuntu uses 1:1....seems like my swap get filled up too easy. Or am I not understanding what the sys monitor says?
[11:15] <nessmuk> tsjok....thanx I'll try that.
[11:15] <thoreauputic> nessmuk: how much RAM do you have?
[11:15] <nessmuk> 128 meg
[11:15] <thoreauputic> and how much swap?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> 128?
[11:15] <nessmuk> I like the idea that Beatrix is 200meg. Delete Office, get the browser I like....looks better to me
[11:16] <nessmuk> tsjok...yes
[11:16] <bborkk> I'm trying to get ibm-acpi working.  I installed the package, the module can't be added for some reason... modprobe ibm-acpi results in FATAL: Module ibm_acpi not found.  Any ideas?
[11:16] <nessmuk> tsjok....epiph installs the mozilla engine. Is that duplicating FF unnecessarily?
[11:16] <thoreauputic> nessmuk: you might like to experiment with a lighter window manager like xfce or fluxbox
[11:16] <Tsjoklat> nessmuk if it does that you can remove ff
[11:16] <bob2> bborkk: you need to put the module somewhere that modprobe looks
[11:18] <nessmuk> tsjok...yes....I think knoppix-std uses fluxbox. Nice. But I don't know how to handle the checksum. Blew the iso. No good
[11:18] <bborkk> bob2: Ah.  That would make sense.  Where are modules generally kept and how do I found out where ibm-acpi is located?
[11:18] <bob2> bborkk: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ or so, find where the button.ko module is
[11:19] <thoreauputic> nessmuk: just sudo apt-get install fluxbox - very easy ;)
[11:21] <jiyuu0> seems like there's couple of updates today...
[11:21] <bborkk> bob2: Okay, I've got /lib/modules/2.6.9-1-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/button.ko ... Oh, just found something.  Thanks for the tip.
[11:22] <jiyuu0> linux-image something and nvidia-glx
[11:26] <herzi> i wanted to install ubuntu on a machine, it didn't boot from cd
[11:26] <herzi> so i installed it on the computer's disk in another computer
[11:26] <herzi> i installed ubuntu on /dev/hda, but in the target machine it is /dev/hde
[11:26] <herzi> can someone tell me how to tell grub to boot correctly?
[11:27] <nessmuk> thoreau....thanx. But be warned. I'm gonna trap someone into teaching me the alphabet so I can learn to type "See Spot run. Run. Run Run."
[11:27] <nessmuk> my tagline used to be "I don't have a CLUI about *nix....heh heh
[11:28] <Tsjoklat> night all be good!
[11:53] <karlheg> herzi, get a grub prompt when you boot it by pushing a down arrow quickly to get the menu, then read the screen.  Use 'e' to edit the entry you want to boot, arrow down, and 'e' to edit the kernel line.  Change 'e' to 'a' and boot with 'b', then edit /boot/grub/menu.lst right away... change the 'kopt' line and run 'update-grub' to propagate it to all kernels.
[11:53] <marsjays> anyone know a pdf reader (besides acrobat) that can show "notes" in pdf documents? xpdf just shows yellow icons where the notes are
[11:55] <TTilus> anybody tried to install ubuntu to raid0 root?
[11:55] <TTilus> i have and it fails on filesystem creation (with no further explanations on what happened)
[12:02] <nessmuk> on #beatrix it says Beatrix is a Q channel. What does that mean?
[12:03] <miausX> hi!!! :D
[12:04] <karlheg> nessmuk, why not ask them?
[12:04] <nessmuk> karl...no one answers!
[12:05] <karlheg> So perhaps it means "quiet"?
[12:05] <NaillL> hi everyone
[12:07] <miausX> hiii NaillL :)
[12:07] <bob2> k/win140
[12:09] <NaillL> have anybody problem with dual booting ubuntu & winxp ???
[12:09] <scizzo> NaillL: no
[12:09] <miausX> no NaillL
[12:09] <miausX> you should have a correct entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:10] <miausX> example: title windozeXP | root=/dev/hda1 | makeactive | chainloader +1 | boot (or something similar)
[12:18] <HWolf> Can anyone try and help me get my alsa/esd back working?
[12:18] <NaillL> i know how it works
[12:18] <NaillL> it`s a problem of debian-installer
[12:20] <NaillL> you know..... when i install ubuntu, i choose option "no boot manager". ... and then i`m booting for examle with gentoo-livecd, and chrooting into ubuntu /
[12:20] <NaillL> and i do :  MOUNT -t proc proc /mnt/.... ubuntu dir
[12:21] <NaillL> without mounting proc fs it`s breakes windowsxp.... and it became no longer works!
[12:21] <NaillL> gstreamer-properties
[12:22] <NaillL> it can help you
[12:25] <NaillL> and somebody knows whats wrong with totem ??? it never plays anything..... what should i do with it?
[12:25] <mesut> you should switch it mplayer =)
[12:25] <NaillL> it writes : couldn`t find any supported stream in ***.avi etc.
[12:25] <mesut> with mplayer*
[12:26] <crimsun> d'oh. Hope Gaaruto resolved his problem.
[12:26] <mesut> ^^ that error means , you have to install required codecs
[12:26] <crimsun> NaillL: have you installed w32codecs?
[12:26] <NaillL> i gess it is, but why there is no codecs on ubuntu-cd?
[12:27] <mesut> use apt-get
[12:28] <NaillL> it`s very easy 4 you to use apt-get .... but i`ve got very slow internet..... max - 3 kbps
[12:28] <NaillL> so it`ll take SO MUCH TIME.... 8(
[12:28] <crimsun> it's adequate
[12:28] <crimsun> I ran Debian Sid on 14.4 kbps dialup for a year
[12:29] <mesut> i wont use gentoo/debian or derivatives of these, with that connection
[12:29] <mesut> wouldnt*
[12:29] <NaillL> oh...and one more thing.... developers should include console-cyrillic to the ubuntu-project for russian support....
[12:30] <karlheg> I live on university campus in college housing, and have a LAN jack in the wall.  It's pretty quick -- a lot faster than DSL.
[12:30] <NaillL> you wouldn`t??? and what whould you use instead???? have any ideas???? mandrake ??? =)
[12:30] <karlheg> Fiber to the curb.
[12:31] <mesut> NaillL~ use suse i.e., or wait sarge to be stable,and ship with dozens of cds..
[12:31] <karlheg> Often the other end is slower than this end.
[12:31] <NaillL> here in Russia ve`ve got very big problem with connection..... if we want better, we must pay a lot
[12:31] <karlheg> I dont
[12:32] <karlheg> ... oops...
[12:32] <mesut> actually i guess here (turkey) is not different
[12:32] <NaillL> i think there is a difference !
[12:32] <karlheg> I don't know what the monetary exchange rate is... but here in USA, you can get 256 Kbps DSL from the telephone company for < $100 a month including your telephone service.
[12:33] <mesut> karlheg~ thats expensive,i am sure youre kidding
[12:33] <karlheg> How much that is depends on how much money you earn in a day, I suppose.  It's affordable for most middle-class people, I think.
[12:33] <mesut> ive friends that pay 20-30$  for a couple of mbits =)
[12:33] <mesut> in USA tho
[12:33] <Bh420> no crap i get 3000/300 from cable for $50 and that gives me 3 ips 10 mail accts and modem rental
[12:33] <karlheg> It's about $75 a month.
[12:34] <karlheg> That includes the telephone bill.
[12:34] <mesut> Bh420~ thats what i pay 256/64 + one ip + fsckng transparent proxy which you cannot quit.
[12:34] <Bh420> no proxy on mine
[12:34] <NaillL> and here 600 dollars for unlim.....
[12:34] <NaillL> you can count
[12:34] <NaillL> the difference...
[12:34] <NaillL> =) free software.... =)
[12:35] <cef> In AU $'s per month, $40ish for 256kbps DSL, $25ish for the phone service
[12:36] <Bh420> telco here is like $30 or something for 256/256
[12:36] <TTilus> anybody tried to install ubuntu to raid0 root?
[12:36] <Bh420> was checking the prices for my grandparents and there telco wants $45 for and that like $70 for 512k
[12:37] <Bh420> and you gotta buy the modem from them for $120
[12:37] <Bh420> and sign a 1 years contract
[12:37] <Bh420> buncha bs
[12:37] <mesut> so is that thingie really cheap ?
[12:37] <Bh420> didnt have to sign contract one for my cable
[12:37] <NaillL> you know....i`ve desided to move out from there.... to AU...
[12:37] <mesut> where is that*
[12:37] <mesut> i mean
[12:37] <Bh420> USA
[12:38] <mesut> i heard that its much cheaper in korea, or japan
[12:38] <Bh420> hell yea it is
[12:38] <Bh420> like $30`USD for like 8mbit dsl line in korea
[12:38] <Bh420> oops $30~USD
[12:39] <Bh420> should move to sweden
[12:39] <Bh420> can get fibre right into your house
[12:39] <NaillL> why?
[12:39] <Bh420> like $100 month for 100mbit
[12:39] <Bh420> or something insane like that
[12:39] <mesut> omg
[12:39] <NaillL> i decided this not for getting fast inet 8)))
[12:39] <TTilus> we call it "fiber social democracy"  :)
[12:39] <Bh420> and big breasted blondes
[12:40] <mesut> then you dont need a harddrive there
[12:40] <NaillL> but for getting new good life.... without thinking how much is the bread today
[12:41] <Bh420> yeh but 100mbit...
[12:44] <mojo> ah! I'm going crazy! I no longer can play my War3 with Cedega b/c the new nvidia's going down!! nO!
[12:45] <tuxJr_14> hi
[12:46] <crimsun> 'lo
[12:47] <crimsun> mojo: you could compile 'nvidia.ko' manually
[12:48] <mesut> does ubuntu have xorg or xfree ?
[12:48] <crimsun> Warty has XFree86 (heavily patched); Hoary has X.Org
[12:49] <mesut> i guess the shipped cd is warty
[12:49] <crimsun> yes.
[12:50] <mesut> i need >=xorg6.8, i hope i can upgrade smoothly
[12:50] <mesut> cus radeon IGP cards nativly supported by xorg.6.8.X
[12:50] <mesut> with full 3D/DRI
[12:52] <swampie> Hello.. anybody got an opinion on Ubuntu's winmodem support?
[12:53] <tuxJr_14> mesut: you can try adding hoary in your apt sources and then get xorg.
[12:54] <PeG> sorry
[12:54] <PeG> for view the monitor
[12:54] <PeG> of my notebook
[12:54] <PeG> on a projector!
[12:54] <PeG> how can i do?
[12:54] <mesut> hey wait, that doesnt asked me for r00t pass
[12:55] <crimsun> it's not supposed to
[12:55] <PeG> crimsun, do you speak with me?
[12:55] <mesut> huh, so if it doesnt ask, how can i set it
[12:55] <crimsun> to mesut
[12:55] <crimsun> why do you need to set a root password?
[12:56] <tuxJr_14> crimsun: security?
[12:56] <mesut> crimsun~ modprobe powernow-k7
[12:56] <mesut> what do you think i am ?
[12:56] <crimsun> tuxJr_14: use sudo.
[12:57] <crimsun> there's a reason sudo is used by default instead of su
[12:57] <mesut> what is it
[12:57] <crimsun> mesut: sudo modprobe powernow-k7
[12:57] <tuxJr_14> crimsun: but the root password is not set, right? anyone can come in
[12:57] <crimsun> mesut: please see sudo(8) - and the wiki if you need further explanation why it's used in Ubuntu
[12:58] <mesut> most ppl agree that sudo is insecure, anyway ill read the wiki.
[12:58] <mesut> btw,
[12:58] <crimsun> tuxJr_14: logging in as root will fail by default
[12:58] <mesut> powernow-k7 didnt loaded
[12:58] <mesut> agrrr!
[12:58] <crimsun> mesut: um, sudo is insecure?
[12:58] <crimsun> mesut: so of course that's why it's strongly suggested in OpenBSD's login banner?
[12:58] <mesut> yeah, i read a lot of about it, when i was trying  to set the box, to make users can use "reboot"
[12:58] <tuxJr_14> crimsun: why? is it locked?
[12:59] <nessmuk> I have installed fluxbox. Can someone tell me how to switch from X to fluxbox?
[12:59] <crimsun> mesut: if it's so insecure, OpenBSD would not so strongly suggest it.
[12:59] <crimsun> nessmuk: you don't switch "from" X Windows. Fluxbox is just a window manager that uses X Windows.
[01:00] <nessmuk> crimsun....very informative. Now how do I run fluxbox?
[01:00] <tuxJr_14> nessmuk: you can switch from X but not to fluxbox. you can switch to console/svgalib
[01:00] <tuxJr_14> nessmuk: rm `which w-window-manager`
[01:00] <mesut> crimsun~ if i put sudo, i cant use tab complenation,that sux anyway :P
[01:00] <tuxJr_14> and link fluxbox to it
[01:00] <crimsun> mesut: yes you can.
[01:00] <mesut> brb food
[01:01] <tuxJr_14> x-window-manager
[01:01] <crimsun> mesut: enable bash_completion, or use another shell like zsh that has support
[01:01] <nessmuk> tux....what is rm?
[01:01] <Naill1> dudes..... and what `s the fastest desktop linux you`ve ever used???
[01:01] <crimsun> (delete)
[01:02] <tuxJr_14> nessmuk: remove
[01:02] <Naill1> what are you think?
[01:02] <tuxJr_14> nessmuk: have you used a terminal?
[01:02] <nessmuk> tux...only a little, preferably with guidance
[01:02] <tuxJr_14> Naill1: fluxbox
[01:02] <Naill1> oops...what DO you think...
[01:02] <nessmuk> tux....I'm a point'n'click Mac user....learning
[01:03] <nessmuk> tux...I'm fine in terminal when I know exactly what to type
[01:03] <sid77> hi
[01:04] <tuxJr_14> nessmuk: no offence to ubuntu users, but they should check out redflag. almost full win 2k clone
[01:05] <tuxJr_14> borrow some code too
[01:05] <sid77> big problem: toying around with gnome menus I probably did something wrong and right now I cannot get a gnome desktop while logging in as normal user, how could I recover it?
[01:06] <seb128> warty or hoary ?
[01:06] <nessmuk> tux...as a guy with 2 iMac G5's in the home network, I can't say I want a windows clone
[01:06] <sid77> seb128, hoary, sorry
[01:07] <nessmuk> tux...can you guide me through the commands to start fluxbox?
[01:07] <tuxJr_14> nessmuk: go to a console by ctrl alt F1
[01:07] <tuxJr_14> nessmuk: if you want to return, ctrl alt f7
[01:08] <svenl> Hello,
[01:08] <nessmuk> tux...I'm there
[01:08] <svenl> i am installing ubuntu on an amd64 system, and i have both a sata and a normal disk, with the bios saying the sata disk is first.
[01:09] <tuxJr_14> nessmuk: login as any user you want (if it asks for login)
[01:09] <nessmuk> tux....not the terminal in my login environment?
[01:09] <svenl> now grub is being installed, and ask me to tell the installations device, i have no idea what that should be, but i don't want to kill the normal-ide boot-sector.
[01:09] <tuxJr_14> nessmuk: well it can work. ok, open an xterm or gnome terminal
[01:10] <svenl> anyone able to help here ?
[01:10] <nessmuk> tux...I'm in the user terminal, but can go to root
[01:10] <tuxJr_14> nessmuk: with a gui editor, edit your $HOME/.xinitrc
[01:10] <tuxJr_14> nessmuk: no root needed
[01:11] <nessmuk> what do you change in that file?
[01:11] <crimsun> "exec fluxbox"
[01:14] <patjoh> Hi, every time I mount a drive from a bash-terminal, nautilus always pops up and showing the content of the mounted drive. How do I prevent this feature?
[01:15] <carambol> how i change the  size of the desktop display?
[01:15] <svenl> Kamion: isn't grub-installer a bit user-unfriendly asking me about the grub device name ?
[01:17] <Kamion> svenl: it only does that in complex situations. Normally it just says "Install the GRUB boot loader to the master boot record?"
[01:18] <svenl> Kamion: well, i have two disks, that is hardly complex, isn't it.
[01:18] <siretart> hi there.
[01:18] <Kamion> *shrug* not my code.
[01:18] <Kamion> it gives you a list of examples
[01:18] <svenl> Kamion: but well, i chose (hd0), since i configured the bios to have the sata disk first.
[01:18] <siretart> has somebody found an easy way to integrate WPA client support into ubuntu?
[01:19] <carambol> how to change the size of desktop display
[01:19] <svenl> Yeah, it tells you (hd0) is the first disk or something such.
[01:19] <svenl> Well, i suppose i guessed wrong, nothing happens :/
[01:19] <rjek> Actually, I didn't want an idea - I wanted to *know* as I valued the MBR on the other drive :)
[01:19] <carambol> i want 1024x 7xx
[01:20] <svenl> rjek: exactly.
[01:20] <Kamion> svenl: it only drops to the boot device question if it detects an operating system installed that it can't recognise using os-prober (and therefore can't add to the grub menu.lst)
[01:20] <Kamion> so, since it can't arrange for the boot loader to load the other OS, it goes into super-careful mode.
[01:21] <svenl> Kamion: well, i have a blank disk, and a disk with debian and windows installed. i want to install on the blank disk.
[01:21] <Kamion> (or, of course, if you say "no" to the MBR question)
[01:21] <svenl> I suppose hd0 was wrong.
[01:21] <svenl> i didn't had any MBR question though.
[01:21] <Kamion> in that case see my previous comment
[01:22] <svenl> Yeah, but there is no way to guess what will be used, i suppose i should have told hd1.
[01:22] <carambol> i am new to gnome...how i switch-over tot 1024 X 7xx?
[01:23] <svenl> Damn, no why won't my cdrom drive open.
[01:23] <svenl> And why does the damn motherboard try to overclock itself ?
[01:24] <crimsun> carambol: under Preferences you can choose the desktop resolution
[01:24] <svenl> Mmm.
[01:24] <carambol> tnx
[01:24] <tuxJr_14_> nessmuk: sorry for going out as the power had failed
[01:26] <tuxJr_14> nessmuk: were you able to run fluxbox?
[01:27] <tahorg_> hi
[01:27] <tuxJr_14> hi tahorg_
[01:27] <tuxJr_14> nessmuk: are you there?
[01:31] <sid77> seb128: as written into the faq I've tried to restart the gnome-panel but that was of no help, any idea?
[01:31] <tahorg_> what's happening with the menu in hoary ?
[01:32] <tahorg_> It has changed almost 4 time en 3 days ;)
[01:32] <tahorg_> in
[01:33] <crimsun> hoary is in development, after all.
[01:33] <seb128> sid77, killall gnome-panel nautilus trashapplet gnome-vfs-daemon
[01:33] <nessmuk> tux...no probs....I was off doing some other stuff....xmms and so on.
[01:33] <sid77> seb128: k, I'll try it
[01:34] <seb128> tahorg_, it has changed like 2 times in 2 months in fact
[01:34] <nessmuk> ready to go. I found the xinitrc file in Nautilus, but it has only root permissions. Can't edit it there.
[01:34] <mesut> crimsun~ "sudo passwd root" thats the trick =)
[01:37] <svenl> Huh, grub has no menu.
[01:38] <sid77> seb128: ok, everything back to normal. thanks a lot!
[01:38] <seb128> np
[01:38] <svenl> Oh, it takes forever to load the kernel, and grub gives no feedback, scary.
[01:39] <sid77> so, last stupid question: how can I change an application icon in the menu without messing everything up? applications:/// do not work and right click on the item do not show "properties dialog"
[01:40] <sid77> Am I missing something?
[01:40] <seb128> sid77, that's not really doable now
[01:41] <sid77> how
[01:41] <sid77> ok, thanks anyway
[01:44] <carambol> how i change  the resolution...?
[01:44] <svenl> Kamion: can i build d-i on a ubuntu system, or is it best to do a clean install for that ? Particularly since i want to build a celeron class custom d-i, and am running pure amd64.
[01:44] <carambol> Under Preferences it dont show an option to do that
[01:45] <Kamion> svenl: better build a chroot, the libparted API change for example will cause pain
[01:45] <Kamion> a chroot should be totally trivial to build
[01:46] <svenl> debootstrap sid /bath ?
[01:46] <svenl> Damn, it didn't recognize my wildcat VP880, graphic card, need to finish coding that driver.
[01:47] <svenl> Kamion: will probably do a plain debian install in a separate partition then.
[01:47] <svenl> grub-installer will probably not like it though.
[01:48] <Kamion> debootstrap sid should be fine, and Debian's grub-installer detects Ubuntu fine due to the lsb-release stuff
[01:48] <gustavor> how do I install an older package version? I installed firefox from hoary (glib was upgraded as well) and now gnome is crazy!
[01:49] <svenl> Kamion: nice.
[01:49] <svenl> Kamion: why doesn't grub has a nice graphical menu like it had on my self installed grub menu though ?
[01:49] <Kamion> although actually I think debootstrap sid fails at the moment in Debian, so it'll fail for us too; try sarge instead
[01:50] <Kamion> svenl: because we tried that and it broke on a number of systems depending on the graphics hardware, so we took the safer option
[01:50] <Kamion> I think it caused annoying delays waiting for the video card to change mode
[01:50] <svenl> Kamion: ah. I can modify that manually though, withough breaking everything.
[01:51] <carambol> can somebody tell how to change the resoltion...in Preferences no possiblity to do that
[01:52] <mjr> hm, trying to use gprs over bluetooth from my ubuntu box; what's it mean "pppd: Serial line is looped back"?
[01:52] <svenl> BTW, does ubuntu's cdrecord include the DVD patch ?
[01:53] <crimsun> svenl: I see references to a dvd patch in the cdrtools changelog.
[01:57] <svenl> Damn, why wont gdm allow me to login, while X is ok ? I suppose it is because i chose french as language and have a qwerty keyboard :/
[01:57] <svenl> Indeed, that is it.
[01:59] <seb128> gni ?
[01:59] <seb128> what has the keyboard to do with that ?
[02:01] <iMeXdiAC> seb128 .. keys are at different positions ex yz or special signs ..
[02:01] <seb128> iMeXdiAC, oh, he was mistyping, nevermind
[02:03] <squirrel> hi, I've just installed ubuntu on my main machine and I've lost my win XP install somehwere, can someone help me please?
[02:05] <svenl> seb128: the way localization-config preseeds the X config files is dependent on the LANG variable.
[02:05] <squirrel> I've only got 1 hard drive in at the moment, a 120 Gb one partition in to 2 NTFS partitons, and 1 FAT32 partion and I left 20 gig for my ubuntu install, i installed it there and after I restarted grub doesn't list windows on it's menu
[02:05] <sid77> squirrel, during installation do you choose "automatically partition my entire disk" or the manual option?
[02:05] <squirrel> manual
[02:05] <sid77> ok
[02:05] <sid77> :)+
[02:05] <seb128> svenl, I was thinking you blame gdm, not than you were typing on the wrong key :)
[02:06] <svenl> seb128: this also affects the gnome key selection thingy, which is then totally wrong, since the XF86Config is now bypassed by gnome.
[02:06] <squirrel> ~[ sid77 ] ~ I just chose the freee space and then partition automatically if I remember correclty
[02:06] <ubhuti> You are moron #1, squirrel
[02:07] <svenl> There fixed for gdm ....
[02:08] <nevyn> daniels: boo
[02:08] <daniels> sup
[02:08] <svenl> seb128: ah, no, gnome is also ok.
[02:08] <bob2> hey nevyn
[02:08] <nevyn> what's craige's website?
[02:08] <sid77> squirrel, try opening a terminal and run "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda" (substitute /dev/hda with your correct drive)
[02:08] <nevyn> hi bobo
[02:08] <nevyn> bleh bob2
[02:08] <nevyn> finger spasm :)
[02:09] <sid77> squirrel, it should display your current partitions
[02:09] <bob2> arseclown.tv?
[02:09] <daniels> nevyn: yeah, arseclown.tv
[02:09] <svenl> Hi daniels.
[02:11] <svenl> if i want to write an X driver on ubuntu, is it best to rebuild the X package, and then take the compiled tree, build my driver module out of it, and just copy it in place ?
[02:11] <nevyn> sweet.
[02:11] <squirrel> sid77 - I've done that and it does list my win xp partition there
[02:12] <squirrel> but it doesn't have a star next to boot
[02:12] <zAo^> how could I tell Nautilus not to open new windows?
[02:12] <zAo^> Cant find it anymore :-S
[02:12] <CypherNix> Hi everyone I'm having problems with my KVM switch/mouse and BeatrIX (asked in there channel but there are only like 4 people there) and I assume things are pretty much the same.
[02:13] <CypherNix> I have a KVM switch which only supports PS/2 so I'm using a USB-PS/2 adaptor. I'm a complete novice when it comes to *nix but I read all the posts in the forum, looked elsewhere and haven't found a solution.
[02:13] <CypherNix> Have tried to apply this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6550 but am getting an error when rebooting...it doesn't read that line.
[02:14] <CypherNix> I'm wondering if I'm even going in the right direction.
[02:15] <CypherNix> I made a file named options in /etc/modprobe.d/ and put this in it: psmouse.proto=imps
[02:15] <iMeXdiAC> zAo .. is written in the FAQ .. go to menu system->prefernces->fileManagm->behaviour tab->checkbox alwOpenInBrow
[02:16] <sid77> squirrel, ok, now you have to check grub (or lilo) configuration, what do you have installed?
[02:16] <zAo^> thnx iMeXdiAC
[02:17] <CypherNix> The problem I'm having is my mouse is going nuts when I switch from one pc to BeatrIX.
[02:18] <squirrel> sid77, I just installed staright off the amd64 cd and then rebooted and updated my packages, X isn't working yet
[02:18] <squirrel> I've got grub installed as my boot loader
[02:20] <sid77> ok, take a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst it is the configuration file, there should be a voice about win partition somewhere
[02:21] <daniels> svenl: run debuild -us -uc, then hit ctrl-c when it gets to actually building stuff (i.e. past ln, makedepend, etc)
[02:23] <svenl> Ok.
[02:23] <squirrel> sid77 - my windows partition isn't listed in there
[02:24] <sid77> ok
[02:25] <sid77> squirrel, it is strange, because it should have been added, anyway: read carefully how to add one entry to grub configuration file with "man grub" (some info should also be present in the menu.lst file)
[02:25] <CypherNix> I know my problem would most lightly go away if I used a genuine ps/2 mouse (no adaptor) but I haven't seen any good ones made in the last few years...all are USB. Buying a new KVM switch is something I can't afford...other options like using VNC or even Synergy is not the way I want to do things.
[02:26] <sid77> squirrel, then modify (using "sudo <editor> /boot/grub/menu.lst") that file and run "sudo update-grub"
[02:28] <CypherNix> Surely there must be a "fix" for this, I've read that in other distros like Fedora the problem is there for example in FC1 but not in FC2...so something can be changed to make/stop making it work.
[02:33] <squirrel> sid77 - do I need to put "makeactive" and "chainloader +1" in there? and do I use "root" or "rootnoverify"?
[02:34] <sid77> squirrel, urgh! that is something above my knowledge: I use ubuntu/x86 only at home and I cannot get it until this weekend
[02:35] <squirrel> ok, thanks for the help, I'll just keep trying asn see what happens - thanks again
[02:36] <sid77> squirrel, np
[02:38] <svenl> hey, nice quiet&cool seems to work out of the box :)
[02:38] <boxchat> hi all. can anyone help me out with the problem i've posted here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=33690&postcount=5
[02:38] <boxchat> ?
[02:40] <afonit> hey dresearching
[02:40] <svenl> mmm, hardware-monitor is not in ubuntu :/
[02:41] <Kamion> hardware-monitor | 1.0.1-1ubuntu1 | warty/universe | amd64, i386, powerpc, source
[02:42] <Kamion> but not in Ubuntu proper, true
[02:44] <vj_warty> hello i am in a serious problem with ubuntu warty, can anybody there help me?
[02:45] <zulkarnaen> #jakarta
[02:45] <afonit> first detail the problem, then somoen can evaluate whether they can help or not, my suggestion
[02:45] <PeG> for view the monitor
[02:45] <PeG> of my notebook
[02:45] <PeG> on a projector!
[02:45] <PeG> how can i do?
[02:46] <vj_warty> thanks, my problem is when i start system xserver crashs and says x is already running do you want to try it at disp 1 or rery at :0
[02:46] <svenl> Kamion: oh.
[02:47] <sid77> vj_warty, do you just dist-upgrade to hoary?
[02:47] <sid77> uops
[02:47] <sid77> no
[02:47] <boxchat> any wireless networking experts in here? :)
[02:47] <vj_warty> it happend just after i upgrade some packages form hoary
[02:48] <sid77> vj_warty, ok, I had the same problem when dist-upgrading from warty to hoary on my powerbook
[02:49] <vj_warty> sid77, how did you solve that?
[02:49] <svenl> Kamion: how are bugs handled for the universe part of it ? Do you feed them to the debian BTS or something ?
[02:49] <afonit> boxchat: I read your post (very very thorough btw, that is much appreciated) but I an not an expert with reguard to that, but I will research it and post in your ubuntu post if I find anything
[02:49] <sid77> vj_warty, if you choose to retry, after some failures you get a shell
[02:49] <vj_warty> ok
[02:49] <sid77> from there stop gdm (just to be sure) with "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm dtop"
[02:49] <boxchat> afonit, thanks a lot. i'm at the end of my rope :)
[02:49] <sid77> stop
[02:49] <__learner__> I found my monitor specs on the web, but how can I configure my monitor refresh rate under linux. It's working at 85hz but I know my monitor can handle more. At least 100.
[02:49] <sid77> vj_warty, then I just run a "apt-get install gdm"
[02:50] <vj_warty> sid77, ok
[02:50] <sid77> vj_warty, maybe this will not fix your problem because you've mixed up packages, but you should give it a try
[02:50] <sid77> vj_warty, afaik it could also mess things up... 8P
[02:51] <vj_warty> sid77, thanks for your tip, i'll try that
[02:51] <sid77> vj_warty, and don't forget to run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start" after that
[02:51] <svenl> Damn, no temperature monitor available ...
[02:52] <vj_warty> sid77, ok, i'll try it and come back if anything goes wrong
[02:55] <__learner__> I made a XFREE86 modeline using the specs at the http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl site. Where is the XF86Config file I need to change?
[02:56] <__learner__> will that work in ubuntu?
[02:56] <daniels> __learner__: it's in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:56] <daniels> but why do you need to make a modeline?  are things not working for you currently?
[02:56] <__learner__> tx
[02:57] <svenl> Mmm, sensors don't seem to be willing to work.
[02:57] <GotD0t> i have an entry in my menu bars without a picture, anybody know how i can add a picture?
[02:58] <__learner__> yes they are, but are not at maximum. My monitor (LG F700P) runs at 100hz(1024x768) with no problems, I'm used to it on windows. In ubuntu it is working at 85hz, I want to get it to 100.
[02:58] <__learner__> it can handle more than that but I don't feel secure to do it.
[02:58] <daniels> __learner__: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, don't worry about the ModeLine, just remove the lines starting with HorizSync and VertRefresh
[02:59] <__learner__> daniels, what is that supposed to do?
[02:59] <__learner__> My ubuntu worked only at 60hz out of the box.
[02:59] <svenl> Mmm, anyone does fan or temperature monitoring on ubuntu ? sensors-detect tells me that it didn't find any i2c devices.
[02:59] <thenuke_> __learner__: same with me
[03:00] <thenuke_> daniels: what does happen then if I delete those lines?
[03:00] <kent> GotD0t, rightclick on it and choose properties? that way you should be able to add a picture.
[03:00] <svenl> thenuke_: nothing, but you will have a harder time readding them :)
[03:00] <thenuke_> great
[03:01] <afonit> GotD9t, also that woudl occur if you have modified a thmee to an incomplete theme, sometimes if there are icons missingin that theme it will not default to the 'defaults' for the system
[03:01] <kent> svenl, i managed to get it working on my computer. But sensors-detect  detected my sensor-device.  (not on my computer now, so i cant tell more)
[03:01] <thenuke_> is there something else to do then when those lines have been made harder to read? I am not on my ubuntubox now so I cannot check if I could figure it out by myself
[03:02] <GotD0t> kent: i have two options, add this launcher to panel, or "entire menu" which lets you choose add this as drawer to panel or as menu to panel
[03:02] <svenl> kent: never buy too new motherboards, i guess :/
[03:03] <sid77> dhu!
[03:03] <__learner__> Should I change HorizSync VertRefresh to the specs of my monitor?  or is preferable to use the modeline generated by the site?
[03:03] <kent> GotD0t, do you mean that a launcher lacks a picture, or that a submenu lacks a picture? submenus is, as some one said, dependent on the theme..
[03:03] <GotD0t> kent: a launcher lacks a picture
[03:04] <kent> svenl, perhaps.  But i dont think those devices change so much, so you might get it working by asking on some mailinglist..
[03:04] <daniels> __learner__: it should probe your monitor for the resolution ranges it supports, instead of guessing and getting it wrong
[03:04] <GotD0t> kent: i want to add a picture to a launcher which was automatically added
[03:04] <daniels> __learner__: this has been fixed in our development tree
[03:04] <kent> GotD0t, then you should be able to rightclick on THAT launcher and choose properties. On my Ubuntu (warty) i have that option.
[03:04] <mads_> whats the the mount command for ntfs hhd? something like "mount -t /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows -umask -000" but it isn't quite right...
[03:04] <GotD0t> kent: nope
[03:04] <kent> GotD0t, then you are doing something wrong.
[03:05] <GotD0t> kent: im not an idiot, i know how to right click... and im not in warty btw
[03:05] <GotD0t> whatever, i gotta get going to class
[03:05] <kent> GotD0t, i did it just now to see if its possible, i rightclicked on the gimp launcher in the menu, choosed properties, and there i could change the icon.
[03:05] <__learner__> daniels this is not what happened during install? Probe - Noanswer - 60Hz?
[03:05] <bob2> mads_: '-o umask=000'
[03:06] <GotD0t> kent: well it doesn't work that way in hoary
[03:06] <gustavor> how do I install an older package version? I installed firefox from hoary (glib was upgraded as well) and now gnome is crazy!
[03:06] <__learner__> is this
[03:06] <kent> GotD0t, then go back to warty?  ;)
[03:08] <mads_> bob2: there is still something wrong with the mount command
[03:08] <mdz> good afternoon from Mataro
[03:08] <bob2> mads_: yes.
[03:08] <bob2> mads_: sudo mount -o umask=000 -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows/
[03:08] <bob2> (the manpage is pretty clear about that)
[03:09] <mkarra> Hi!
[03:10] <mkarra> ubuntu support SATA ? chipset nForce 3 250G ??
[03:10] <daniels> __learner__: sorry, I don't really follow
[03:11] <marcellus> mkarra: worked for me with that chipset
[03:11] <mkarra> ok
[03:12] <mads_> how do i play mp3's?
[03:13] <__learner__> daniels: Is it not what happened by first. When I installed ubuntu, my monitor was only running at 60hz. Because of that I think that detection does not work here.
[03:14] <vjwarty> sid77, i tried to install gdm but shows the error gdm depends libgnomevfs2-0 (>=2.9.1) but 2.8.2-0ubundu1 is to be installed; broken package; what do i do now?
[03:14] <marcellus> __learner__: I had the same problem. My old 17" CRTs suddenly used 60Hz instead of 75Hz I had before.
[03:14] <daniels> __learner__: ah, right
[03:14] <sid77> vjwarty, that's why I was worried before
[03:14] <sid77> vjwarty, why not completely dist-upgrading to hoary?
[03:15] <vjwarty> sid77, it is not possible with my sloooow dialup connection
[03:15] <sid77> urgh, same problem @home
[03:16] <vjwarty> sid77, is there any workaround of this prob?
[03:17] <sid77> vjwarty, don't know
[03:17] <sid77> vjwarty, maybe you should try to downgrade hoary packages to warty one
[03:18] <__learner__> I'll try the factory settings.
[03:18] <vjwarty> sid77, how do i do that?
[03:18] <__learner__> talk to you soon.
[03:18] <sid77> vjwarty, or trying to understand what is needed and install that
[03:18] <sid77> vjwarty, IIRC I saw a faq once, link is in the channel topic
[03:19] <vjwarty> sid77, it shows gnomevfs2.9.1 is needed; but i cant understand why apt couldn't find that???
[03:21] <sid77> vjwarty, if you have mixed repositories, are they both active in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[03:21] <sid77> vjwarty, probably hoary gdm needs hoary gnome stuff
[03:22] <vjwarty> sid77, i have hoary and warty in source.list is it the reason?
[03:23] <sid77> vjwarty, I think that both of them should be uncommented to be avalaible to mix packages (which isn't a good thing)
[03:24] <__learner__> changing values for factory settings didn't worked.
[03:24] <mads_> where can i find a map3 plugin for Music Player or Xmms?!
[03:24] <__learner__> I just need to press control+alt+backspace to restart X isn't it?
[03:25] <daniels> yeah
[03:25] <__learner__> didn't worked
[03:25] <__learner__> I'll eat. I get back soon.
[03:25] <mads_> where can i find a mp3 plugin for Music Player or Xmms?!
[03:26] <wezzer> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:27] <vjwarty> sid77, now i am in a tough situation; i'll try to downgrade the packages to warty!!;
[03:28] <crunch> my ubuntu install has only lasted 2hrs :(   just hangs at hotplug now, did alt-sysreq-e and cx8800 module was causing crash(tv card) stopped it from loading, then hal complains and X wont start
[03:29] <Tyche> Good morning all.
[03:29] <Tyche> I was wondering what you use for remote gui control of your ubuntu server.
[03:30] <crunch> Tyche, VNC is the way :)
[03:31] <sid77> vjwarty, yeah! but I don't know how to do that!!! 8|
[03:33] <zeedo> Tyche: for a server I wouldnt use a GUI
[03:33] <sid77> vjwarty, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394
[03:33] <zeedo> Tyche: but if you choose to you could use, remote X (over ssl), VNC (over ssl) as 2 options
[03:33] <sid77> hell
[03:34] <sid77> wrong link
[03:34] <sid77> vjwarty, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto#how-to-keep-a-mixed-system
[03:36] <Tyche> zeedo: I'm still learning and want to have the back up in case I need to do anything with it
[03:37] <Tyche> I have been using putty to ssh in and that will do most things, but I need to update and do things like that, and still not sure how to do that.
[03:37] <zeedo> Tyche: look at the apt manual pages and apt documentation
[03:37] <zeedo> Tyche: but running X on a server is generally a bad idea
[03:37] <vjwarty> sid77, any way thanks for the help; i'll check that faqs; now i am from command line so no browser support
[03:38] <Tyche> zeedo: Why is that? Performance? or security?
[03:39] <zeedo> Tyche: both
[03:40] <kent> what is the command to make cdrecord use atapi-stuff and not scsi-emulation?  is it not enough to use 'cdrecord file.iso -dev=/dev/hdd'?
[03:42] <mooch> how can i obtain a list of libraries a binary is linked against with objdump ? cannot remember...
[03:42] <crimsun> kent: that should be enough
[03:42] <crimsun> mooch: grep for the NEEDED string
[03:42] <vjwarty> mooch, is it ldd
[03:43] <crimsun> objdump is less noisy
[03:44] <kent> crimsun, im getting lots of errors while using cdrecord on my old sony 4x cdrw,  i im trying to check every known way of burning to get it working, but im starting to belive its my cdrw that is not working :(
[03:44] <Tyche> zeedo: I know, but this isn't a high profile machine. More or less for me to get familiar with everything and figure it out. it will be my first server and it will just have my little homesite as its only page.
[03:44] <zeedo> Tyche: yeh thats cool, just warning you though mate
[03:44] <zeedo> but please use something encyrypted when accessing it, such as vnc or X with ssh tunneling :)
[03:44] <crunch> is it ok to use sarge repos with ubuntu ?
[03:45] <nevyn> crunch: there's two answers to that.. a short one and a long one.
[03:45] <zeedo> Tyche: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Remote-X-Apps.html
[03:45] <nevyn> the short one is.. "no"
[03:45] <mooch> vjwarty: is does not show sqlite, although it was compiled and used for the compilation
[03:45] <nevyn> the long one is "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo"
[03:45] <crunch> lol
[03:46] <paknaald> Are there any known problems with a dual-boot with windows XP and Ubuntu like there once where with Fedora Core 2?
[03:46] <nevyn> if you want stuff from debian use universe.
[03:46] <crunch> nevyn, no medium answer?
[03:47] <Tyche> zeedo: Thanks I will look through that. Just so I know alittle going into it. Is that so I can run command line on the server and use gui on another machine I am at?
[03:47] <albeiro> hello
[03:47] <zeedo> Tyche: you can run the graphical part of a program locally, ie.. all the controls, but the code of it runs on the server
[03:47] <albeiro> i wonder how ubuntu resolves following problem
[03:48] <crunch> paknaald, worked fine here, the bug with fc2 was due to it changing the partition order, its fine in FC3 and easily fixable
[03:48] <Tyche> zeedo: Okay okay, that sounds very good. And is a good fit for what I'm looking for. Thank you.
[03:48] <albeiro> i have usb disk and usb pendrive. i would like to plug it and open its contest with just single click, no matter what
[03:48] <paknaald> crunch: i am pretty n00b, and that bug scared the heck out of me ;)
[03:49] <bob2> albeiro: on ubuntu, when you plug it in you'll get a nautilus window
[03:49] <zAo^> yeah :-)
[03:49] <zeedo> Tyche: np :)
[03:49] <Tyche> I do have one other question. I just installed ubuntu on a P3-800 with 256MB ram, not a horrible machine and I get vertical lines spaced evenly accrossed the screen. Suggestions?
[03:49] <paknaald> chrunch: i guess i like ubuntu over fc since it is debian-based, although in my n00bishness i don't like x-free86
[03:49] <crunch> paknaald, if during the install @ the grub section you ticked advanced, then selected which disk to put grub in, it was fine ;)
[03:49] <bob2> paknaald: why not?
[03:50] <albeiro> yeah, for now, if i will plug usb disk first it will get /dev/sda1 device, next usb pendrive it will get /dev/sdb1
[03:50] <paknaald> bob2: weren't there those licensing issues with xfree86, and isn't the rest of the linuxworld already on x-org?
[03:50] <paknaald> i guess 'standing alone' is never optimal
[03:50] <albeiro> something that could recognize vendror / device type / filesystem and care about it somehow would be nice
[03:50] <bob2> paknaald: there are licensing issues with XFree86 4.4, warty uses 4.3 + a bazillion patches
[03:51] <bob2> paknaald: hoary is already on x.org
[03:51] <paknaald> should i try hoary then or is that very unstable?
[03:51] <zAo^> well, I'm glad Warty uses XFree; I use an ATI Radeon ;-0
[03:51] <crunch> im kinda torn between the two at the mo, Fedora is great for help and useful info like fedorafaq , plus it always has the latest packages, but no ATI driver for X-org yet so no 3d :(
[03:52] <crunch> well, radeon 3d works just fine with xorg 6.7, its only 6.8 that isnt supported
[03:52] <zAo^> This is my last ATI :)
[03:53] <daniels> radeon 3d works fine on xorg with radeon 9250 or lower
[03:53] <crunch> i dont really want to go back to geforce myself, switched to my 9800pro cos at the time it was tons faster than any nvidia, plus it runs sooo much cooler and quieter
[03:54] <zAo^> Well, I got a 9600 Pro. My next will be a Matrox
[03:54] <zAo^> I agree to that crunch , but without support, what is the use?
[03:54] <bob2> matrox makes new cards?
[03:54] <crunch> zAo^ the driver is out this week
[03:54] <zAo^> w00t. Nice work :)
[03:55] <zAo^> When will the Ubuntu-pkg be released?
[03:55] <crunch> dont ask me :) im on FC3, my ubuntu install died after 2 hours lol
[03:56] <zAo^> What did you do then? What went wrong?
[03:56] <bob2> crunch: 'died'? how so?
[03:56] <bob2> zAo^: package of what?
[03:56] <crunch> ok here we go :)
[03:56] <zAo^> bob2, the radeon driver
[03:57] <daniels> fglrx will be in very shortly after it's been released -- and it hasn't, yet
[03:57] <crunch> installed nforce nvsound driver, then hotplug started to hang,  did alt-sysreq-e and cx8800 was causing hang (its a tv-card unrelated to nvsound)   i added cx8800 to blacklist and then it still hangs but with no error
[03:58] <bob2> 'hang'?
[03:58] <crunch> also the odd thing is, if i then depmod nvsound, hotplug goes ok, but then hal complains and X wont start,  modprobe nvsound again and its ok
[03:58] <crunch> hang= freeze=stop
[03:59] <bob2> it *completely* freezes the system?
[03:59] <crunch> alt-sysreq still works
[03:59] <bob2> can you ctrl-c hotplug?
[03:59] <bob2> did you file a bug?
[03:59] <svenl> Cool, it is working now.
[04:00] <svenl> Wonder still why udev doesn't create the i2c or isa devices ...
[04:00] <crunch> it might still be the old alsa driver for my nforce audio getting loaded somewhere, yet i blacklisted its modules
[04:00] <crunch> bob2, not tried ctrl-c will do that in a mo
[04:00] <bob2> you're not using alsa?
[04:01] <crunch> bob2, no alsa for nforce (soundstorm) isnt that great, the proper nforce audio driver uses oss, but is alot better quality wise and for gaming
[04:02] <crunch> normally to install the nvsound module i would just edit modprobe.conf and   ## alias sound-slot-0 intel810  and replace with alias sound-slot-0 nvsound, but hotplug tries to do this automatically right? after modules-update
[04:04] <M0N5> Hi
[04:05] <M0N5> I'm a Linux newbie and got told Ubuntu was a good place to start. I want to install Ubuntu, but i'd like to partition my HD first so I don't overwrite XP. Can anyone help me?
[04:05] <ctr> er.
[04:06] <M0N5> anyone?
[04:06] <zeedo> M0N5: yeh, what do you need help with ?
[04:07] <zeedo> just makespace for ubuntu with any partitioning tool then start the install
[04:07] <zeedo> ubuntu will recognise the windows install and setup a bootloader to handle the dual boot for you
[04:07] <thenuke_> zeedo: and space for ubuntu itself too :o
[04:07] <zeedo> thenuke_: I said that :)
[04:07] <thenuke_> oh.  :)
[04:08] <zAo^> M0N5, in Windows shrink your "C" with Partion Magic
[04:08] <M0N5> is it free?
[04:08] <M0N5> :-D
[04:08] <zAo^> lol
[04:09] <crunch> M0N5, there is a bootcd with tons of utils on it inc partition magic,which is free but not exactly legal
[04:09] <M0N5> law never was my strongpoint ;)
[04:09] <zAo^> lol @ crunch
[04:09] <zAo^> thats why I use Linux :)
[04:10] <crunch> there is a linux version of the bootdisk too, with legal stuff, but i wouldnt trust it with ntfs
[04:11] <crunch> M0N5, before you mess with your partition, make sure its 100% defragged first
[04:11] <__learner__> For me, the easyer way is to backup your data, make the partition with WINXP installer, reinstallXP, install ubuntu (I think this is good because installing windows aways ressurect the windows system. After sometime of use, windows system is aways full of junk.)
[04:11] <M0N5> :-/
[04:11] <M0N5> that sounds heard learner
[04:11] <zeedo> __learner__: good advice :)
[04:12] <crunch> or even better, make a slipstreamed xp cd with SP2 on it
[04:12] <crunch> then reinstall :)
[04:12] <__learner__> it's not. I did it here, and now I have both windows and Linux in god shape. (Because I just use windows when I absolutely need, AKA photoshop/Dreamweaver)
[04:12] <zeedo> M0N5: __learner__ is proposing, you reinstall windows and only use a portion of the drive during the install
[04:12] <zeedo> then install ubuntu to the other portion
[04:12] <zeedo> which will give you 2 clean OSs installed side by side :)
[04:12] <crunch> M0N5, u see my PM?
[04:13] <M0N5> would i need to download ubuntu and put it on a CD
[04:14] <crunch> M0N5, yep, if you just want to have a look around the linux world you could just try knoppix first, v3.7 just came out, boot off the cd, pretty fast too
[04:14] <__learner__> Yes, thats it. It is really easy. Remove all partitions (it's very easy using winXP's installation prog). Then create a partition for windows XP only the size you want it to take. Install XP normally. Than install Ubuntu, ubuntu will autodetect windows and put it on GRUB for you.
[04:14] <svenl> Normally partman should be able to resize FAT and NTFS partitions. I don't think the ubuntu version of parted/libparted is configured to do ntfsresizing though.
[04:14] <daniels> svenl: the one in Hoary is
[04:15] <svenl> Hoary -> Warthy+1 ?
[04:15] <M0N5> what do the XP installation disks look like?!
[04:15] <daniels> hoary is warty+1, yes
[04:15] <crunch> lol
[04:15] <M0N5> i can see office ill have to look for xp
[04:15] <svenl> daniels: do you have something like sid too ?
[04:15] <crimsun> that would be hoary currently
[04:16] <svenl> crimsun: oh.
[04:16] <daniels> svenl: yes, 'hoary'
[04:17] <jdub> though hoary is not much like sid, really ;)
[04:18] <svenl> jdub: that is only because ubuntu supports only a few arches, with good auto-builder support ?
[04:18] <svenl> Mmm, wonder if lm-sensors installation broke cool&quiet though.
[04:19] <daniels> svenl: currently the only official architectures are amd64, i386, and powerpc (possibly also ia64)
[04:19] <svenl> daniels: yeah, i know.
[04:20] <scizzo> daniels: I am suppose to be angry with you...
[04:20] <scizzo> daniels: :P
[04:20] <daniels> ok, well, if you're after bashing debian, please take it elsewhere
[04:20] <scizzo> daniels: hehe
[04:20] <daniels> scizzo: ... ?
[04:20] <scizzo> daniels: sv_SE.UTF-8
[04:20] <daniels> scizzo: it's broken, is it?
[04:21] <scizzo> daniels: when I have it selected in gdm as language and so on I get the error msg that it does not exists even though I did a dpkg-reconfigure locales and added it to locale.gen
[04:21] <daniels> ok, i'll look into it
[04:21] <scizzo> daniels: it loads ok and everything...but both warty and hoary gives me a first error that it is not available
[04:22] <crunchie> bob2, pressing ctrl-c after i could tell it loaded the nvsound module got me past hotplug :)
[04:23] <scizzo> daniels: thanks.. :)
[04:23] <M0N5> i am returned
[04:23] <crunchie> but now how can i tell what else was making it stop there?
[04:23] <M0N5> funny story, went upstairs to look for the disks and a box fell on my head. true story.
[04:25] <zAo^> lol @ M0N5
[04:25] <M0N5> oki im installing partition magic.
[04:26] <M0N5> reinstalling XP is outta the question for now cos I can't find the disks :-D
[04:26] <M0N5> what should I do aft6er installing PM?
[04:26] <zAo^> run it? :-$
[04:26] <Tyche>  I just installed ubuntu on a P3-800 with 256MB ram, not a horrible machine and I get vertical lines spaced evenly accrossed the screen. Suggestions?
[04:27] <zAo^> Tyche, saw thatone be4. Is the sync ok?
[04:27] <jdub> svenl: no, we just don't have an exact equivalent of sid. hoary is our development branch where sid is synced to, where we upload to, and it follows freezes, etc.
[04:28] <crunchie> M0N5, i think maybe it would be better and safer :) if you just tried knoppix first ;)
[04:28] <crunchie> Tyche, sounds like wrong refresh rate to me, or wrong gfx driver
[04:29] <Tyche> zAo^ & Crunchie: Not sure where to check to be honest with you.
[04:30] <__learner__> I have a 5 button 2 wheels mouse. Can I make it work with all features under linux?
[04:30] <svenl> jdub: ok.
[04:30] <crunchie> Tyche, can you get to a terminal?
[04:31] <svenl> daniels: BTW, am i right in thinking that xfree builds pipes all his build i make_world.build.log ? And nothing is visible elsewhere ?
[04:31] <Tyche> Yea, it is viewable still
[04:32] <Tyche> Crunchie, I can even log into gui if you want, it is still viewable.
[04:32] <daniels> svenl: xfree86, yes
[04:32] <daniels> svenl: xorg, no
[04:33] <__learner__> how can I do that?
[04:33] <crunchie> Tyche, oh thats ok then,try sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and see what rates it has set for monitor, or try setting it to 640x480 resolution
[04:33] <scizzo> __learner__: maybe....maybe not
[04:34] <M0N5> Will I need to put ubuntu on CD to instalkl it if I'm partitiong the HD?
[04:34] <gustavor> where is rc.local? is there another file for the same task?
[04:34] <scizzo> M0N5: sudo cfdisk /dev/hdx
[04:35] <scizzo> gustavor: its System V
[04:35] <scizzo> AFAIK
[04:35] <__learner__> I'll try to fix the refresh again. Will be back on a minute.
[04:35] <scizzo> gustavor: use /etc/rcS.d or /etc/init.d
[04:36] <gustavor> scizzo, System V system are different? what are the redhat based systems?
[04:36] <budyong> M0N5 install the ubuntu on u new partition
[04:38] <scizzo> gustavor: you can read about it on debian.org
[04:41] <svenl> daniels: you still build the gamma DRI stuff ? I wonder how many 3Dlabs GMX2000 users are there still.
[04:41] <daniels> svenl: there's no reason not to build it
[04:41] <svenl> daniels: do you know if it even still works ?
[04:41] <daniels> svenl: no, why would I?
[04:42] <scizzo> did I do something wrong?
[04:42] <Tyche> zAo^ & Crunchie: Great. That worked. The refresh was at 75, I changed it to 85 and it worked nicely. I changed the resolution down also now, since the next time I log in it will not be on this 19" monitor. That may cause issues on that little 15" hehe
[04:42] <svenl> daniels: well, i am thinking nobody used that code since 3-4 years ago.
[04:42] <daniels> svenl: but there's no point in removing it.  it's tiny, it has virtually no impact on build time, and it's not breaking anything.
[04:42] <svenl> daniels: do the kernel build the drm modules for it ?
[04:42] <daniels> we are not (repeat: not) regressing hardware support without a very good reason.
[04:42] <daniels> i don't know
[04:43] <daniels> don't you still have 3dlabs hardware?
[04:43] <M0N5> ghotta run
[04:43] <M0N5> thansk for your help guys :-D
[04:43] <svenl> daniels: sure, but not the GMX 2000. I have the Appian Jeronimo 2000, which has a gamma, but permedia3 rasterizers, and not the MX rasterizers like the GMX 2000, and is thus unsupported.
[04:43] <Amaranth> Anyone know if the DRI driver for Radeon 7000 (r100, i guess) cards has the t_vertex issues fixed?
[04:43] <Amaranth> That's all I know about it.
[04:44] <svenl> daniels: and i have more interest in the newer Wildcat VP serie if i find free time for it.
[04:44] <daniels> Amaranth: yah, it does
[04:44] <daniels> Amaranth: in x.org (hoary), not xfree86 (warty) though
[04:44] <Tyche> Hey crunch, where is vnc configured on ubuntu?
[04:44] <Amaranth> daniels: Odd, I'm still seeing the problem.
[04:44] <scizzo> I wonder if there is a easy way to convert the disks to use UTF-8 instead of ISO
[04:44] <Amaranth> What do I need to update>
[04:44] <Amaranth> err, upgrade
[04:44] <daniels> Amaranth: weird
[04:44] <scizzo> I have found ways to do it file by file....or using mount for it
[04:45] <svenl> daniels: how stable is hoary with regard to X ?
[04:45] <daniels> Amaranth: xserver-xorg, xlibmesa-dri
[04:45] <scizzo> but GTK2 now needs to have UTF-8 in strings
[04:45] <scizzo> hmmm...
[04:45] <daniels> svenl: i don't know of any real problems; the minor ones, I have fixes for in my local tree to upload later
[04:45] <Amaranth> daniels: It makes playing bzflag a real PITA. :P
[04:46] <arctick> is x.org faster than x11?
[04:46] <svenl> daniels: i hear DRI is broken on it, at least on radeon 9200SE/pegasos hardware.
[04:46] <daniels> Amaranth: heh
[04:46] <daniels> svenl: i see no bugs about it
[04:46] <svenl> daniels: well, pegasos is no supported ubuntu plateform yet, so ...
[04:46] <daniels> svenl: dri works for me on i855, it works on the nvidia card i went out and got for testing nvidia-glx (seeing as everyone just has laptops here) today, it works on my radeon at home last i looked
[04:47] <daniels> svenl: dude, if you don't file bug reports, i can't fix the bloody bugs
[04:47] <Amaranth> daniels: Are your speed fixes in hoary?
[04:47] <daniels> Amaranth: not yet, but they will be in the next upload, which I hope to get done tomorrow or Friday
[04:47] <Amaranth> Cool, how fast are you booting now?
[04:48] <svenl> daniels: if i can't install ubuntu on the hardware, it hardly makes sense filling bug report, don't you think. I have been getting bug report from people who self compiled X.org on top of debian though, but don't know the details.
[04:48] <spiv> svenl: "Cannot install" sounds like a bug to me.
[04:49] <topyli> lol
[04:49] <Amaranth> daniels: Those packages are up-to-date but bzflag is still screwed. Want me to file a bug report?
[04:49] <svenl> spiv: a known one though. Will probably be fixed soon, so i don't fret to much about this.
[04:50] <Amaranth> brb
[04:51] <daniels> svenl: in any case, a self-compiled X.Org will be different to ours
[04:52] <svenl> Yep, but chance are that intrinsic brokeness on seldom used plateforms are the same, or that you would know if you fixed the issue.
[04:52] <svenl> daniels: but that is unimportant right now, was just asking.
[04:53] <albeiro> hm
[04:53] <albeiro> just started livecd ubuntu
[04:53] <albeiro> connected usb disk
[04:53] <albeiro> and... nothing :/ i mean, i can probably access it, that's not the way it should be
[04:54] <Amaranth> nope, restarting X didn't fix it :/
[04:55] <albeiro> should not gnome-volume-manager catch it ?
[04:55] <__learner__> removing those lines in XF86Config-4 also didn't worked.
[04:56] <__learner__> any tip on setting the refresh rate.
[04:57] <kirt> Anyone know where i can download the ubuntu login sound?  I need it and don't have access to my desktop atm..
[05:00] <__learner__> where should I add this line: Modeline "1024x768@100" 126.64 1024 1056 1536 1568 768 781 794 807
[05:01] <thenuke_> XF86Config-4 or something like that
[05:01] <thenuke_> :)
[05:01] <thenuke_> /etc/X11 .. search from there
[05:02] <scizzo> daniels: do you anything about the GTK2 and UTF-8 string reading?
[05:03] <Tyche> Anyone use webmin?
[05:03] <Tyche> I just wanted to test it out, but I cannot even get into the console.
[05:04] <Tyche> It says it will pull from the password file and it is stored in a different location, etc. Says it only uses the user root.
[05:04] <Tyche> So I tried adding another user to the password file and that isn't working. Any suggestions?
[05:05] <kirt> Tyche: I'm not sure if it's installed by default, but superadduser works great
[05:06] <__learner__> I mean where inside the XF86Config-4 file I should put modeline... .
[05:06] <zeedo> Tyche: try user:admin and a blank pass
[05:06] <__learner__> my mistake
[05:06] <__learner__> sorry
[05:06] <zeedo> then once inside change the password :) and the username too
[05:06] <kirt> Tyche, oops didn't read your question..
[05:07] <daniels> scizzo: not really, sorry
[05:08] <Tyche> zeedo: Nope that didn't work. I'm scared now, because I try again...it will lock me out. And I have no idea how to fix that. i have had to uninstall and reinstall it each time it has done that.
[05:08] <zeedo> Tyche: lol, that can be fixed, you can reset the admin pass though, hang on I'll get the details
[05:09] <scizzo> daniels: hmmm
[05:09] <Tyche> zeedo: it tells me the password file is /etc/webmin/miniserv.users and when I go into that the only line is root:*
[05:09] <zeedo> Tyche: login as root with a blan password then
[05:10] <scizzo> daniels: because from what I know in time GTK2 apps will read UTF-8 string adds or something....I asked people last night and they told me that the string handle in GTK2 will become UTF-8
[05:10] <zeedo> Tyche: http://www.webmin.com/faq.html
[05:10] <zeedo> instructions for changing password are there, question 2
[05:12] <Tyche> zeedo: You are awesome. Sorry that I am a little slow on this stuff. Not new to computers...just new to a lot of this linux stuff.
[05:12] <zeedo> Tyche: not a prob, thats what channels like this are here for :-)
[05:15] <__learner__> whats is the name of the X configurator tool?
[05:15] <Rocha> Hi all
[05:16] <Rocha> I just replaced warty to hoary in synaptic to be able to install xorg
[05:16] <Rocha> How can I enable the dropshadows? Is it a separate package?
[05:16] <__learner__> what is dropshadows?
[05:17] <Rocha> And btw, i'm using xfree, can i just logout, kill this server and run xorg?
[05:17] <Rocha> __learner__, let me show you a screen shot
[05:18] <zeedo> Rocha: I havent did this on ubuntu but Im sures hardly diff from the gentoo setup
[05:18] <Rocha> ok, i'll try here
[05:18] <zeedo> Rocha: you must add a line to your xconfig file and then install and a package
[05:18] <zeedo> Rocha: I can give you the gentoo docs on it, see if you can get that working in ubuntu
[05:18] <zeedo> Rocha: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency
[05:20] <scizzo> zeedo: thanks
[05:21] <zeedo> scizzo: what for ?
[05:21] <farruinn> could someone suggest a good (preferably graphical) email client that supports imap and pop?
[05:21] <kent> farruinn, evolution?
[05:21] <farruinn> I don't care much for firebird or evolution
[05:21] <Rocha> zeedo, thanks, i'll try
[05:22] <Tyche> zeedo: I know, but I wish I could give some feedback a little at least. That worked though and I am in now.
[05:22] <kent> farruinn, balsa, kmail?
[05:22] <zeedo> Tyche: nice :)
[05:22] <kirt> farruinn: sylpheed is also nice if you have a slower computer.  Can't remember if it does IMAP, but i'm pretty sure it does.
[05:23] <farruinn> ok, I'll check that one
[05:26] <scizzo> time to work and then go home
[05:27] <zeedo> farruinn: evolution does pop/imap but it can be pretty resource intensive
[05:30] <farruinn> zeedo, yeah, I've noticed
[05:30] <farruinn> it also runs some daemons that I just find unecessary
[05:30] <farruinn> and its thread view is a bit buggy I think
[05:30] <zeedo> farruinn: yeh, id swap it for sylpheed or thunderbird but I need the exchange functionality
[05:31] <candyman> I installed KDE from universe and sound disappeared. Anyone knows how I should fix this?
[05:32] <farruinn> candyman: it probably has something to do with KDE's sound daemon, artsd
[05:33] <albeiro> i would like to try ubuntu but have no spare disk i could connect. but i have nice 2.5' disk in external usb enclosure
[05:33] <Rocha> zeedo, i'll try running xorg now, let's see if it works
[05:33] <Rocha> zeedo, how can i know if i'm using xfree or xorg btw ?
[05:33] <albeiro> say, my motherboard can boot from usb...
[05:34] <zeedo> Rocha: cool :)
[05:34] <albeiro> will ubuntucope with it ?
[05:34] <zeedo> Rocha: check which you have installed
[05:34] <Rocha> I have both
[05:34] <Rocha> Ubuntu comes with XFree, but I installed xorg
[05:34] <Rocha> Hmm, maybe it removes xfree
[05:34] <Rocha> Let me try
[05:39] <zAo^> some said 2day that there is a bootcd with Partition Magic and more
[05:40] <Rocha> This is so slooooowwwww
[05:40] <zeedo> Rocha: using nvidia ?
[05:40] <Rocha> I don't know, this is not my computer.
[05:40] <zAo^> glxinfo ;-)
[05:40] <zeedo> Rocha: sudo lsmod
[05:41] <zeedo> if you have nvidia or ati drivers you have to add another line to your xconfig file :-)
[05:41] <Rocha> Hmm, i have to go for some time, i'll be here in a moment.
[05:41] <zAo^> btw: is it same to update the fglrx-driver??
[05:41] <zeedo> It made my ssytem ALOT faster when I was running with transparency and drop shadows
[05:42] <zAo^> Great. Will I get direct rendering again? :)
[05:44] <zAo^> zao@amd:~/Downloads $ glxinfo | grep render
[05:44] <zAo^> direct rendering: Yes
[05:44] <zAo^>     GLX_ATI_render_texture
[05:44] <zAo^> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 Generic
[05:44] <zAo^> :-)
[05:47] <daniels> (spambot currently doing the rounds)
[05:53] <iBuntU> how do you disable spatial in nautilus?
[05:54] <farruinn> preferences > behaviour tab, check "always open in browser window"
[05:54] <iBuntU> hmm i dont think it can do what i want anyway, multi-dirs open in one naut. instance
[05:55] <zenwhen> how do you all get a cd back when you are told your drive is busy and it will not let you eject the disk?
[05:55] <zenwhen> I need this dvd drive open to burn a dvd and apparently am goig to have to reboot to get it done
[05:56] <mart> zenwhen: do you know which app is holding it open?
[05:57] <zenwhen> yeah
[05:57] <zenwhen> i found it just before you asked
[05:57] <zenwhen> thanks anyway
[05:57] <mart> np
[05:58] <zenwhen> I am totally up to date on warty now
[05:58] <zenwhen> lol
[05:58] <zenwhen> dialup sucks
[05:58] <ctr> so
[05:59] <ctr> ubuntu is more fly than I thought it was
[05:59] <ctr> anyone here got bluetooth and phones working ?
[05:59] <iBuntU> if theres anything that will make you want highspeed its a distro with apt
[06:00] <iBuntU> or maybe porn
[06:01] <pisuke> pr0n
[06:01] <farruinn> iBuntU: why do you say any distro with apt?  What is it about other distros that don't require as much downloading?
[06:02] <iBuntU> well back in the day, when redhat was the shit, i would just go buy a cd from a local book store when a new version came out
[06:02] <iBuntU> no downloading required
[06:05] <mart> can I umount a usb stick without using sudo?
[06:05] <mart> seems strange that it is mounted automatically, but I can't seem to umount it as a normal user
[06:06] <zenwhen> I can
[06:06] <moyote> mart; let me check mine
[06:06] <moyote> I can umount mine as well.
[06:06] <zenwhen> mine automounts and then i just right click and select unmount volume to get rid of it
[06:06] <moyote> me too
[06:06] <sjoerd> mart: pumount
[06:08] <mart> sjoerd: thanks, but now it doesn't even automount....
[06:10] <hidde> Can anyone name me an alternative to totem and mplayer for playing dvd's?
[06:10] <iBuntU> xine?
[06:11] <candyman> so how do i deinstall kde then?
[06:11] <candyman> (killall artsd did not solve the no sound problem)
[06:12] <mart> hotplug is wasted
[06:13] <hidde> Damn, I get no sound in tvtime. :-S
[06:14] <candyman> hidde, do you have the patch-through cable?
[06:14] <candyman> tvtime outputs the sound through a jack in the back of the card
[06:14] <candyman> mine has a double-jack lead that connects it to the soundcard
[06:15] <hidde> candyman, I have it, should work. It did in my previous hoary. :-)
[06:15] <candyman> but my sound does not work today anyway, because I installed kde yesterday
[06:16] <farruinn> candyman: does sound still work in gnome?
[06:17] <zenwhen> candyman, what card?
[06:17] <zenwhen> i hope you say audigy
[06:17] <zenwhen> lol
[06:18] <hidde> candyman, if the cable works, the sound should work?
[06:21] <candyman> farruin, zenwhen, no, sound in gnome went away when I installed kde
[06:22] <candyman> well, it actually went away when I run kde for the first time: no sound, back to gnome, no sound either
[06:22] <candyman> but it was fine
[06:22] <candyman> hidde, yes
[06:22] <zenwhen> hmmmm
[06:22] <Tyche> anyone use putty and its tunnel abilities?
[06:22] <zenwhen> open up kmix
[06:22] <candyman> if the other sound is working
[06:22] <candyman> tyche, I am doing so as we speak
[06:22] <zenwhen> and mess with the surround settings
[06:22] <candyman> works prerfectly
[06:22] <candyman> kmix surround: thanks
[06:22] <hidde> candyman, the cable is there, but not the sound, and playing mp3's as we speak.
[06:23] <candyman> something is also using all my cpu cycles too
[06:23] <Tyche> candyman: I have webmin installed on a server. From my windows box I'm trying to tunnel to the server and use localhost:10000 for webmin.
[06:24] <candyman> I only use it to tunnel for mail, both pop and smtp
[06:24] <candyman> are you tunnelling 10000 local to which port remote?
[06:25] <Tyche> 10000 port remote...it is working, but I'm getting a access denied for my ip address.
[06:26] <Tyche> candyman: not sure if it is because https isn't liking me going in, I'm thinking I just need to tell apache or webmin or ssh that it is okay for my ip address to do this.
[06:26] <candyman> not sure
[06:27] <candyman> I tunnel to a box not administered by myself, and I didn't have to tell the guy anything
[06:27] <candyman> it just worked
[06:27] <hidde> candyman, is there anything else I can try?
[06:27] <candyman> can you ssh to that box?
[06:27] <candyman> have you tried plain old ssh by hand?
[06:28] <Tyche> candyman:  Yes, I can ssh
[06:29] <candyman> https could be getting cranky
[06:29] <candyman> I know a spanish apache devel, let me check if he is online
[06:29] <Tyche> I'm not familiar with https, that is just what webmin forwards you to.
[06:30] <hidde> #tvtime
[06:30] <housetier> Tyche you could add the ip of your windows box to the access list
[06:31] <Tyche> housetier: Where would I do that at friend?
[06:32] <candyman> no, he is not here
[06:32] <candyman> housetier, if he can ssh into a shell then the windows box is already accepted
[06:32] <candyman> unless you mean the access list of webmin/apache
[06:33] <housetier> Tyche ssh to the box, lynx https://localhost:10000/ and find your way :) the webmin documention tells you where that settings is
[06:33] <housetier> candyman webmin has its own access list and user management thingy
[06:33] <candyman> housetier, right you are then, bingo!
[06:34] <Tyche> housetier: I will have to get on the server since I cannot access it via ssh and localhost:10000, since that is why I'm asking =), but thank you. I will investigate that.
[06:35] <housetier> you said otherwise before...
[06:36] <paolo> Hi guys! I have intalled ubuntu in the second hd of a windows98 pc. Booting windows all is ok, and the windows disk doesn't have any error. Notwithstanding, fsck-ing the windows vfat disk gives errors: many 8-char file names doesn't correspond with the corresponding long name: it seems that the 1st char of short name is different (a rare char appears) from the 1st char of long name. Any idea?
[06:37] <Tyche> housetier: What part? I said I can ssh and do everything even goto http://localhost:10000 the problem is when webmin tries to forward me to the https for webmin.
[06:38] <housetier> Tyche ok then ssh into your box and use a text browser to connect to https://localhost:10000/ from your box (not the windows one)
[06:38] <housetier> there you login, fix the ip access thingy and try again, using https://your-linux-box.tld:10000/
[06:39] <ctr> paolo, probably due to case sensitivity
[06:39] <housetier> try again from the windows box I mean
[06:39] <ctr> paolo, where the 8 char start with a cap and the long version doesn't
[06:39] <Tyche> housetier: Great...hard for me to understand sometimes...still trying to break this MS mold.... =)
[06:41] <ctr> paolo, I never fsck fat partitions, I let the fat natives do that
[06:41] <ctr> paolo, just as I wouldn't want a windows install touching my ext3 partitions
[06:41] <Rocha> I have just upgraded from xfree to xorg and my X is very very slow
[06:43] <zAo^> Rocha, what VGA card?
[06:43] <bob2> Rocha: did you turn on composite?
[06:43] <paolo> ctr: but the debian fsck didn't show those errors. Would it be a ubuntu specific bug?
[06:44] <ctr> paolo, erm, no idea to be honest
[06:44] <Rocha> bob2, yup
[06:44] <ctr> paolo, I am on a mac and haven't used a pc for about a year now
[06:44] <bob2> Rocha: well, there you go
[06:44] <Rocha> zAo^, gforce 2 mx 400
[06:45] <bob2> 03:43:27           bob2 | Rocha: did you turn on composite?
[06:45] <bob2> 03:43:27           bob2 | Rocha: did you turn on composite?
[06:45] <bob2> 03:43:27           bob2 | Rocha: did you turn on composite?
[06:45] <bob2> gah, sorry
[06:45] <Rocha> composite should work fast i think
[06:45] <Simira> bob2!
[06:46] <bob2> Simira: aloha!
[06:46] <Rocha> With this card at least
[06:46] <Simira> bob2: behave... no flooding in here!
[06:46] <daniels> composite doesn'tgenerally work fast
[06:46] <bob2> Simira: it was my daniels, I swear
[06:46] <zerokarmaleft> Rocha, geforce4 ti 4200...composite is slow
[06:46] <Simira> bob2: your daniels?
[06:47] <daniels> reports of composite working quickly are anomalies ;)
[06:47] <Rocha> ok, let me turn composite off
[06:47] <nicolaj> allright... I messed up the panels! How can i restore the UI to the default values?
[06:47] <zerokarmaleft> daniels, looks great for screen caps though
[06:50] <Erix> my cds came today. they are really nicely packaged.
[06:50] <calamari> hi
[06:50] <phezzzerrr> just like mandrakes huh Erix
[06:51] <calamari> anyone know why wine is giving me a segmentation fault and return code 139 on everything? (even wine --help).  I've never been able to use it.
[06:51] <Erix> phezzzerrr: sorry?
[06:51] <calamari> winesetup will run, but even after it finishes I get the seg fault
[06:52] <phezzzerrr> wine is bad beer is worst
[06:52] <NanoTek> has anyone the solution for this problem ? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6346&highlight=Gtk-WARNING
[06:53] <bob2> calamari: on i386?
[06:53] <phezzzerrr> NanoTek: you call that a problem
[06:53] <calamari> bob2: yeah
[06:54] <NanoTek> phezzzerrr, yes I call that a problem
[06:54] <NanoTek> Indeed it is not very huge
[06:55] <NanoTek> but i need the solution :p
[06:55] <paolo> ctr: thank you very much!
[06:56] <will> calamari: I had the same problem: just disable loading of the local registry :)
[06:56] <will> calamari: disable loading of windows registry files
[06:56] <zenwhen> http://zenhardwhere.com/images/mashot.png
[06:57] <phezzzerrr> zenwhen: that has to be one of the largest screenshot files i have had to download in a while and the ugliest
[06:58] <calamari> will: that fixed it!  thank you :)
[06:58] <will> no prob! it pissed me off for ages!
[06:59] <zenwhen> phezzzerrr, whats ugly about it?
[06:59] <phezzzerrr> everything
[06:59] <daniels> let's not have screenshot wars here, please
[06:59] <zenwhen> are you a kde user?
[06:59] <phezzzerrr> yes
[06:59] <phezzzerrr> <<<liar
[06:59] <zenwhen> that would explain your lack of taste
[06:59] <zenwhen> qed
[07:00] <phezzzerrr> :_(
[07:00] <daniels> guys. stop.
[07:00] <zenwhen> im done
[07:00] <zenwhen> :)
[07:01] <zenwhen> sup daniels
[07:03] <calamari> now the question is can wine use the good part of the windows registry somehow, because textpad thinks I'm doing a free trial and doesn't have any of my settings, hehe
[07:03] <__learner__> can anyone here run psx emulator EPSXE under ubuntu?
[07:03] <imka> hi
[07:03] <imka> i'm having problems installing mplayer from marillat's source
[07:04] <imka> apt is complaining about packages, they're installed but they're rebranded ubuntu ones
[07:06] <phezzzerrr> go apt
[07:11] <imka> any ideas about mplayer
[07:11] <imka> ?
[07:11] <phezzzerrr> better cl than gui
[07:11] <phezzzerrr> 0_-
[07:12] <imka> can i use w32codecs in totem?
[07:12] <spacey`ki> yes
[07:12] <imka> how?
[07:12] <spacey`ki> just install the codecs
[07:12] <spacey`ki> and it will work
[07:12] <spacey`ki> there are packages for that
[07:12] <imka> and encrypted dvd's?
[07:12] <spacey`ki> search in the wiki
[07:12] <spacey`ki> don't know about css
[07:13] <imka> i know, w32codecs from marillat. i just thought that i need to do some linking
[07:13] <spacey`ki> i think its in the wiki
[07:13] <spacey`ki> ldconfig
[07:14] <spacey`ki> i think it should work when you installed related packages
[07:14] <bob2> you don't need to do anything with ldconfig to use the windows dlls
[07:15] <vince_> hi all
[07:15] <calamari> what program should I use to view the files in /usr/share/doc/wine-doc ?
[07:15] <vince_> I search somebody to test my ssh configuration ?
[07:16] <Tyche> anyone use webmin?
[07:16] <vince_> I have router and I can't test external access
[07:17] <vince_> does somebody have a ssh client just to test a ssh request ... ?
[07:18] <Tyche> vince_ I do
[07:18] <Tyche> vince_ that request isn't working.
[07:19] <imka> the default totem uses gstreamer, right?
[07:19] <vince_> on 81.56.176.128 ?
[07:19] <usual> imka, yes
[07:19] <vince_> you have no prompt ?
[07:19] <imka> nice
[07:19] <Tyche> vince_ the connection was refused.
[07:19] <usual> imka, not really...not yet at least
[07:19] <usual> imka, it can't play dvd's
[07:19] <phezzzerrr> ssh: connect to host 81.56.176.128 port 22: Connection refused
[07:20] <vince_> f..k :) ok Tyche thanks for your test
[07:20] <nicolaj> How can i restore the UI/desktop to the default values?
[07:20] <phezzzerrr> is external port being forwarded to internal
[07:20] <imka> usual i'm installing dvd-gstreamer
[07:20] <usual> nicolaj, delete the hidden gnome dir's
[07:20] <phezzzerrr> and everyone has ssh
[07:20] <vince_> i have create prot forward name SSH
[07:20] <phezzzerrr> its called wow ssh
[07:20] <usual> imka, don't work
[07:20] <imka> i can't install mplayer, cause of package conflicts.
[07:20] <usual> imka, use xine if you want to watch dvd's
[07:21] <vince_> on port 22
[07:21] <vince_> my ssh config "listen" port 22
[07:21] <nicolaj> ok, if they are hidden how du I find them?
[07:21] <usual> ls -la
[07:21] <phezzzerrr> sshd_config and thats default
[07:21] <imka> usual can i set totem to use the xine engine?
[07:21] <phezzzerrr> and i did connect at port 22
[07:22] <usual> nicolaj, you want to delete whaterver is screwed up i guess
[07:22] <PaNkePaSa> hey people, I'm reading the academic involvement in the wiki and it does not become clear what can ubuntu do for the person working in the project or thesis
[07:22] <usual> imka, yes install totem-xine
[07:22] <vince_> yes default is 22 for ssh
[07:22] <nicolaj> good guess ;)
[07:22] <PaNkePaSa> do you know how does this work?
[07:22] <vince_> maybe more information :
[07:23] <Tyche> Has anyone used webmin here?
[07:23] <vince_> when I reload my sshd with : /etc/init.d/ssh reload
[07:23] <vince_> I have an error :
[07:23] <vince_> Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key
[07:24] <vince_> sshd: no hostkeys available -- exiting.
[07:24] <Rocha> Hello again
[07:24] <Rocha> I have installed the nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-settings
[07:24] <vince_> does somebody know how t build ssh key ?
[07:24] <PaNkePaSa> vince_: ssh-keygen -t dsa
[07:25] <usual> nicolaj, why are you fingering me
[07:25] <Rocha> But then X doesn't run, because it says that the nvidia driver is more recent the kernel's nvidia module
[07:25] <Rocha> how can i fix this?
[07:25] <Ferris_B> Would someone mind telling me what should be in the /lib/bodules/build folder?
[07:26] <Ferris_B> modules, rather
[07:26] <bob2> it's a symlink
[07:26] <Ferris_B> oooh, what should it point to?
[07:26] <devFran> knowledage base of ubutu, very good.
[07:26] <Ferris_B> <-- newb, tryingto patch drivers
[07:26] <vince_> Yop tyche, can you retry ssh request ?
[07:26] <maddoc> Nice. I got my pressed cd's now. :-) I'm currently testing the live cd. Everythings seems to be great. :->
[07:26] <Ferris_B> this is the error I get: root@onosendai:/ # patch -p0 < orinoco-0.13e-rfmon-dragorn3.diff
[07:26] <Ferris_B> patching file orinoco-0.13e/hermes.c
[07:26] <Ferris_B> patching file orinoco-0.13e/hermes.h
[07:26] <Ferris_B> patching file orinoco-0.13e/orinoco.c
[07:26] <Ferris_B> patching file orinoco-0.13e/orinoco.h
[07:26] <Ferris_B> root@onosendai:/ # cd orinoco-0.13e
[07:26] <Ferris_B> root@onosendai:/orinoco-0.13e # make
[07:26] <Ferris_B> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build SUBDIRS=/orinoco-0.13e modules
[07:26] <Ferris_B> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[07:27] <Ferris_B> make: *** [modules]  Error 2
[07:27] <warty> use flood chan
[07:27] <Ferris_B> oops,sorry for the flood :x
[07:27] <daniels> Ferris_B: please don't flood like that again
[07:27] <fabbione> dude
[07:27] <daniels> Ferris_B: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-686
[07:27] <boodle> Hi, I'm using screen+aterm as my gnome-terminal in ubuntu and when I view consoles with ascii characters they're all garbled (colors replaced with odd chars). My environment vars (term, colorterm) all look ok and it ansi colors work ok with default gnome-terminal...help!
[07:27] <daniels> Rocha: you need the latest linux-restricted-modules for your kernel also
[07:27] <Rocha> daniels, where can i get that?
[07:27] <Rocha> daniels, synaptic right?
[07:28] <pisuke> daniels, hows the faster boot competition going? can't resist to ask you.
[07:28] <Ferris_B> I appreciate your help and patience guys, sorry about the flood
[07:28] <daniels> pisuke: we've sort of settled down a bit; scott and thom reinstalled their laptops, and we're just all uploading our stuff to hoary
[07:28] <daniels> Rocha: yeah
[07:29] <pisuke> daniels, great. ty
[07:29] <vince_> does somebody can send ssh request on 81.56.176.128 ?
[07:29] <wburdett> Can anyone tell me how to change the monitor (CRT) settings in Ubuntu? My Sony 200ES isn't running at the proper refresh rate, but the "Screen Resolution" configuration tool list nothing but "60hz"
[07:29] <vince_> have prompt ?
[07:29] <warty> connection refused
[07:29] <vince_> :-'
[07:29] <vince_> :-(
[07:29] <vince_> sniff
[07:29] <Ferris_B> So, I installed the headers. Should the symlink build point towards wherever those headers just installed?
[07:30] <bob2> yes
[07:30] <Rocha> daniels, upgrading, thanks :)
[07:31] <Ferris_B> apt-get took the liberty of setting all the headers up for me, but neglected to tell me where it put them
[07:31] <bob2> eh?
[07:31] <bob2> the symlink points at them
[07:31] <Ferris_B> I dont have to make it myself?
[07:31] <farruinn> wburdett: I would backup my xconfig file and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-[xfree86|xorg]  (xfree86 if you're in warty, xorg for hoary)
[07:32] <bob2> Ferris_B: correct
[07:34] <farruinn> Ferris_B: dpkg -L [package]  will tell you what and where files are installed by [package] 
[07:34] <Ferris_B> oooh, ok, the headers apt-get downloaded are a different number than what the patch is looking for
[07:34] <Ferris_B> ok
[07:34] <khinester> hello
[07:35] <khinester> i just installed my first ever ubuntu server and have couple of questions
[07:36] <khinester> everything went very smoothly, but i don't understand how to install packages
[07:36] <khinester> for example i want to run plone
[07:36] <khinester> and apache
[07:36] <tseng> man apt
[07:36] <bob2> computer -> system -> synaptic
[07:36] <tseng> and apt-get
[07:37] <khinester> i did run apt-get zope plone
[07:37] <bob2> tseng: that's not all that useful an answer for someone obviously very new
[07:37] <khinester> but got an error
[07:37] <tseng> bob2: likewise id assume someone doing a server install wouldnt have synaptic
[07:37] <khinester> i am working through ssh
[07:37] <bob2> hah
[07:38] <bob2> you need to find the names of the packages you want
[07:38] <khinester> plone
[07:38] <will> does anyone have problems with rhythmbox and their media being on a mounted vfat drive?
[07:38] <bob2> then use 'sudo apt-get install blah' to install it.
[07:38] <farruinn> apt-cache search plone
[07:38] <bob2> so, sudo apt-get install zope
[07:39] <khinester> E: Couldn't find package zope
[07:39] <khinester> is the error i got
[07:39] <bob2> is it in warty?
[07:39] <neighborlee> i'm prepping to upgrade but this is confusing ...in synaptic ( preferred method) its saying the smart upgrade way resolves conflicts and fulfills dependnecies but default ugrade avoids them entirely...how the heck do I know if its better to avoid conflicts or introduce them ( and let smart upgrade figure it out) because its  providing me with more recent packages which could well be more secure and less buggy ?????
[07:39] <khinester> yes
[07:39] <khinester> is this a problem
[07:39] <farruinn> khinester: do you have universe installed?
[07:39] <farruinn> enabled that is
[07:40] <khinester> how would i do this
[07:40] <farruinn> ubhuti: enable universe
[07:40] <ubhuti> To access the universe component, edit /etc/apt/sources.list as indicated in the file. Alternatively you may enable universe in Synaptic: Settings>Repositories, check the box for universe.
[07:40] <bob2> argh, another bot
[07:40] <farruinn> bob2, that's not good?
[07:40] <khinester> -bash: enable: universe: not a shell builtin
[07:41] <bob2> khinester: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, uncomment the 'universe' lines.
[07:41] <bob2> (this is in the FAQ)
[07:41] <gangalino> how do you update/install software from cvs w/ warty?
[07:42] <RuffianSoldier> cvs?
[07:42] <RuffianSoldier> the pharmacy?
[07:42] <RuffianSoldier> :-p
[07:43] <khinester> bob2: would i uncomment both lines or just the src
[07:43] <bob2> both
[07:43] <farruinn> khinester: and while you're at it you should add universe to the end of the lines for the security repositories
[07:44] <bob2> er, are you sure that's useful?
[07:44] <farruinn> I can't remember what I was trying to install, but there were dependencies that were unmet until I did that
[07:45] <ChrisH> How can I check if I already run x.org in Hoary? I think the update went wrong somehow.
[07:46] <iMeXdiAC> khinester dont forget to make an apt-get update before another apt-get install ..
[07:46] <gangalino> also, how do I share apps (like RealPlayer) among users on the system, install or run the installer in a certain dir like '/var/share/' or someplace?
[07:46] <bob2> ChrisH: dpkg -l xserver-xorg
[07:46] <bob2> gangalino: install them to /usr/local/
[07:47] <neighborlee> is it better to upgrade or dist-upgrade..synaptic is giving me confusing opinions on both and I'd like some input please ;-)
[07:47] <ChrisH> bob2: Not installed and not installable (Package xserver-xorg has no installation candidate). Shouldn't it be in main or universe?
[07:47] <bob2> it depends on what you're doing
[07:47] <bob2> ChrisH: it's in hoary/main
[07:47] <gangalino> bob2: have you installed RealPlayer that way?
[07:47] <bob2> gangalino: not since 2002 or so
[07:47] <ChrisH> bob2: Ah, my fault probably. I have a warty line in the sources.list enabled accidentally. :(
[07:49] <gangalino> bob2: they have this installer .bin that I ran in my '/home' I wonder if I rerun it in '/usr/local' would it be ok and usuable by others
[07:51] <khinester> ok i run sudo apt-get update and got this error
[07:51] <khinester> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:51] <bob2> pease don't paste it here
[07:51] <bob2> you have aptitude or something open elsewhere
[07:51] <farruinn> khinester: close synaptic if you have it open
[07:51] <zAo^> close Synaptic :)
[07:52] <khinester> k
[07:53] <zAo^> someone tried to use the Ubuntu-kernel in Debian (Sarge) ?
[07:54] <DomasoFan> hi. have a few questions about ubuntu
[07:54] <zAo^> lo
[07:55] <DomasoFan> can ubuntu be used and installed by blind people?
[07:55] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[07:55] <RuffianSoldier> well, in
[07:55] <RuffianSoldier> theory
[07:56] <DomasoFan> has ubuntu gnopernicus, the screen reader for gnome included?
[07:56] <saif> hello guys
[07:56] <jdub> DomasoFan: not installed by default, but it is supported
[07:56] <saif> I have alittle problem
[07:57] <usual> colin@lexapro:~ $ apt-cache search gnop
[07:57] <usual> gnopernicus - Screen reader for GNOME 2
[07:57] <saif> i was messing around with synaptic
[07:57] <saif> and now
[07:57] <saif> i don't have a taskabar in GNOME
[07:57] <saif> how do i get my taskbar back?!?!?!
[07:58] <gangalino> what about this cvs thing? I'm trying to install an app for my NetMD http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/libnetmd/CVSROOT/
[07:58] <Qerub> saif: gnome-panel
[07:58] <saif> :)
[07:58] <saif> thanx!!
[07:58] <will> is there a way to mass change permissions on a mounted vfat drive?
[07:59] <sjoerd> chmod -R
[07:59] <sjoerd> oh hrm, vfat.. mount time option
[07:59] <khinester> ok all installed
[07:59] <khinester> but
[07:59] <will> sjoerd its a dir with all my music in and random dirs have write disabled!
[08:00] <khinester> where does the apt installs the Products
[08:00] <khinester> for zope
[08:01] <will> i want to recursively change them in every folder
[08:01] <saif> I guess I should restart after installing the panel!! c ya!
[08:02] <sjoerd> vfat doesn't have permissions itself, that's a mount time option.. so if random dirs are non-writable that's odd
[08:02] <bur[n] er> anyone use the helix player for .rm streams?  I wasn't able to for some reason, and i'm curious if it's just me or all of helix users
[08:02] <Qerub> sjoerd: I think files can be read-only or read-write actually...
[08:03] <will> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/d          vfat    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000        $
[08:03] <bur[n] er> i don't think so... i think all of vfat is all or none
[08:03] <will> thats the line in question
[08:03] <Qerub> bur[n] er: You probably need RealPlayer... It depends on how the stream is encoded.
[08:04] <Qerub> bur[n] er: Can you try making a file -r?
[08:04] <DomasoFan> hm. how a blind person should install ubuntu?
[08:04] <will> any ideas sjoerd?
[08:04] <saif> ok, I installed the panel ( donno how it got uninstalled! wasn't me! and I ran it from the terminal and now i have it back, but I don't want to have to keep loading it, i want it to start automaically
[08:05] <saif> bare with me, I am new to LinuX
[08:05] <Rocha> I did "apt-get upgrade linux-restricted-modules"
[08:05] <Rocha> And i guess it is updating my whole system.
[08:05] <farruinn> Rocha: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules would have done it
[08:06] <farruinn> you can ctrl-c to stop it if it's still downloading
[08:06] <Rocha> ok, but i think i can't stop this now
[08:06] <farruinn> Rocha, it's installing now?
[08:06] <Rocha> Just finished :)
[08:06] <Rocha> It's been installing for 20 minutes maybe
[08:06] <farruinn> oh =) well, good luck =)
[08:06] <Rocha> I think i have this all fucked up, let me try to restart X
[08:07] <sjoerd> will: add the umask=007 option
[08:08] <will> sjoerd: will try brb
[08:09] <mroth> !seen daniels
[08:09] <mroth> whoops, no bot i guess
[08:09] <noname-nouser> heya, i'd like to install nvidia glx, glut & cg on my shiny new ubuntu
[08:09] <calamari> how can I list the contents of a zipfile with zip ?
[08:09] <bip> wait
[08:09] <farruinn> ubhuti: seen daniels
[08:09] <noname-nouser> is there some tutorial/repo/howto i can use?
[08:09] <ubhuti> daniels is currently on #ubuntu
[08:10] <bip> it well explained in a site
[08:10] <bip> check this noname-nouser :
[08:10] <bip> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[08:10] <Gwildor|Work> noname-nouser, the wiki?
[08:10] <bip> it s well done
[08:11] <bip> i found it at the main ubuntu site noname-nouser
[08:11] <morcy> hi!
[08:11] <DomasoFan> hi
[08:11] <will> still the same problem!
[08:11] <DomasoFan> hm. i will go and fight with my mutt :-)
[08:12] <noname-nouser> bip, Gwildor|Work: thanks!
[08:12] <Tyche> vince_ Sorry buddy, need my help still? i was at work and got called away from my desk.
[08:12] <morcy> well... I have a non-technical question. Is there any comercial interest in the development of ubuntu?
[08:13] <morcy> Sorry for my bad english
[08:13] <morcy> :-)
[08:13] <bip> sure reade
[08:13] <bip> read the ubuntulinux site morcy
[08:13] <bip> there is acompany backin and supportin it morcy
[08:13] <khinester> when i try to access the zope server on port 8080 i get connection refused
[08:14] <morcy> thanks bip, and... how can they send "totally free" CDs of Ubuntu, without any transport charge?
[08:14] <bip> because they think is good that ppl can try it ...
[08:15] <Qerub> morcy: thanks to mark shuttleworth :)
[08:15] <bip> never received a free brochure in your life morcy  ?
[08:15] <bip> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/marketplace/document_view
[08:15] <xukun> which packages do I need to apt for apache2 + MySQL with php?
[08:15] <bip> check that morcy
[08:15] <Olivier_54> lo
[08:16] <RuffianSoldier> iHello
[08:16] <RuffianSoldier> eSup?
[08:16] <xukun> I.m running hoary on this system
[08:16] <saif> guys, I get this error upon starting synaptic, any1 have any id?
[08:16] <morcy> thanks, I'll read now the information bip...
[08:16] <saif> Couldn't stat source package list file: apt-build/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/_var_cache_apt-build_repository_dists_apt-build_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:16] <RuffianSoldier> Same here xukun
[08:16] <RuffianSoldier> saif - eeeeeeeeek
[08:17] <imka> ubuntu-desktop is a meta package, so when it's missing, it won't cause any trouble when updating. is this correct?
[08:18] <saif> yup
[08:18] <saif> everything is running fine!
[08:18] <saif> just getting this message!
[08:18] <imka> cause i've replaced totem-gstreamer (dep for ubuntu-desktop) with totem-xine
[08:18] <calamari> imka: i've heard that if you remove those packages you won't be able to update to hoary and it will screw you over
[08:19] <xukun> RuffianSoldier: I never know which packages to install
[08:19] <RuffianSoldier> what do you mean?
[08:19] <calamari> imka: but I really don't know, except that I'm afraid to remove them
[08:19] <xukun> RuffianSoldier: forget it sorry
[08:19] <calamari> I wish I could remove them, because I have a bunch of crap on here I want to get rid of
[08:19] <imka> calamari, that's interesting to hear
[08:19] <saif> i dont advise that!
[08:20] <saif> not that i know anyting about it, but i installed kde,
[08:20] <saif> and wanted to remove some packages fro the system
[08:20] <saif> now KDE dissapeared
[08:20] <saif> after removing the evolution mail!
[08:20] <calamari> weird
[08:21] <imka> calamari, you could be wrong, cause i think the ubuntu packages will be updated, no matter if "ubuntu-desktop" is installed, since it's only a meta package
[08:21] <xukun> I need to do something like this but not sure: "apt-get install mysql-client mysql-server
[08:21] <xukun> apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-auth-mysql libapache-mod-php4
[08:21] <xukun> "
[08:21] <imka> afaik it's only good when installing
[08:21] <xukun> rr
[08:21] <calamari> imka: the one I remember specifically about was that if I removed them I wouldn't get Xorg unless I did it manually, because then it wouldn't know
[08:22] <xukun> bob2: are you here?
[08:22] <morcy> I love the X system that comes with Ubuntu
[08:23] <imka> what does everyone else think? is it okay to remove ubuntu-desktop?
[08:23] <morcy> I work with Blender, and I have a real good 3D graphic speed in OpenGL
[08:23] <Gwildor|Work> imka, yeas it is
[08:24] <saif> well
[08:24] <imka> Gwildor|Work, r u sure? i think so too, btw
[08:24] <saif> i think it's ok, coz i just cecked, and i don't have it installed!
[08:24] <saif> so i installed it now! :)
[08:24] <Gwildor|Work> imka, i am posititve
[08:24] <imka> saif the question is if it becomes relevant when upgrading
[08:25] <imka> Gwildor|Work, ok thanks
[08:25] <saif> imka: well, i did upgrade too!!
[08:25] <Gwildor|Work> imka, np :)
[08:25] <saif> imka: hell, i wrote a command apt-get upgrade
[08:25] <saif> then i got all the packages in the world!
[08:25] <saif> about 4 hours!
[08:26] <saif> so i guess it's ok to remove desktop! ( whatever it is! )
[08:26] <imka> kool
[08:27] <Gwildor|Work> it is...i promise......
[08:27] <imka> :)
[08:28] <saif> guys, is there any linux based development progrm similar to visual studio?? or macromedia dreamweaver??
[08:29] <sivang> saif : well, you need to have kde installed, and use "KDevelop"
[08:29] <saif> i am a C# programmer, anything close to it???
[08:29] <saif> do i need to have kde???
[08:29] <sivang> saif : you should go and read some about it, it's a nice thing.
[08:29] <morcy> saif: mono is your solution
[08:29] <sivang> saif : sorry
[08:29] <sivang> saif : you do not :) only kde libs dependencies that apt woudl fix automatically.
[08:30] <saif> ok
[08:30] <Simira> bob2: where's your MAtaro pics?
[08:30] <sivang> saif : ah yes, mono is a .NET implementatin for linux..so yes.
[08:30] <saif> ah cool
[08:31] <saif> so KDevelp has mono??
[08:31] <saif> or is mono a program byitself?
[08:31] <sivang> saif : hmm, I'm not sure about that..:) I have nevr used kdevelop to do mono stuff, only C++
[08:31] <sivang> maybe caronte would know better? :)
[08:31] <saif> u mean morcy?
[08:32] <sivang> yes :)
[08:32] <sivang> he just changed nick, though.
[08:32] <morcy> no, no...
[08:32] <morcy> there is a implementation of .NET, called mono
[08:32] <morcy> this is maintained with some Gnome developers
[08:32] <saif> the .NET framework?!?!
[08:32] <sivang> I think there's an IDE...
[08:32] <sivang> lemme search
[08:32] <saif> or Visual Studio.NET?
[08:33] <morcy> no, not Visual Studio.net
[08:33] <Dekkard> .net
[08:33] <morcy> .net framework
[08:33] <Dekkard> the mono project
[08:33] <morcy> and, for example, there is an implementation of C# language
[08:33] <saif> ah cool,
[08:33] <saif> it's a cross between .NET and GTK
[08:34] <saif> ok,
[08:34] <saif> let me go try my luck figuring out how to install this thing!
[08:34] <morcy> what? a cross between .net and GTK?
[08:34] <sivang> saif : you should install tomby, it's an example of how good can mono get :)
[08:34] <morcy> no, GTK is a widget-library
[08:34] <sivang> sorry, that is "tomboy"
[08:35] <Dekkard> whip likes mono...
[08:35] <saif> allrighty! one morequestion, any torrent site dedicated to linux stuff?!?!
[08:36] <saif> or a good torrent site? with lots of linux stuff?!
[08:38] <morcy> bye
[08:41] <gustavor> ubuntu doesn't come with apt-auto? I never used but I wanted to try for the first time
[08:42] <zerokarmaleft> saif, monodevelop is an IDE for mono...it's a port of sharpdevelop
[08:42] <sivang> zerokarmaleft, thank you!
[08:42] <sivang> I forgot the name..
[08:42] <sivang> saif, what he said :)
[08:42] <sivang> it's really nice.
[08:42] <bip_> wow
[08:42] <gustavor> forget what I said the package name is auto-apt
[08:42] <bip_> i made it
[08:42] <bip_> look
[08:42] <zerokarmaleft> saif, there's nothing on linux that compares to VS.NET, though, imho
[08:42] <bip_> Linux ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:42] <bip_> i have ubuntu running ...
[08:43] <bip_> in a virtual machine
[08:43] <Tyche> for the apache what is the httpd executable?
[08:45] <zerokarmaleft> saif, anjuta is OK if you don't want to install KDE dependencies...some people like eclipse also
[08:45] <kicat> hi!
[08:46] <kicat> Somebody speak in spanish or catalan?
[08:47] <zerokarmaleft> sivang, what's tomboy?
[08:47] <saif> zerokarmaleft: thanx for the info, i'm sure nothin compares to VS.NET just close to it
[08:47] <saif> zerokarmaleft: coz i really am rebelling on microsoft!
[08:48] <Stuttergart> Anyone running VMWare on Hoary?
[08:48] <Stuttergart> I'm getting kernel-headers mismatches when trying to compile the VMWare modules against the latest linux-image package.
[08:48] <zerokarmaleft> saif, monodevelop is probably the most convenient since it has pretty good support for code completion and project templates
[08:48] <sladen> Stuttergart: why are you using kernel-headers?
[08:49] <Stuttergart> sladen: You need the kernel-headers packages so that the VMWare install process can compile against them.
[08:49] <Stuttergart> It needs the headers for your running kernel. I suppose for some symbol stuff.
[08:49] <saif> alrighty! thankx a lot, would u know if i should bother myself looking for a debian package for it?!
[08:50] <saif> does it exist, a monodevelop pakage?
[08:50] <noname-nouser> nice.
[08:54] <zerokarmaleft> saif, yes there's a package for monodevelop
[08:54] <goonie> is there a reason why mplayer can't be found in the repositories ?
[08:54] <JanC> goonie : licenses ?
[08:55] <bestadvocate> wow you guys I just started running hoary and its really great :) its so fun i dont mind the nautlius crashes
[08:55] <Dekkard> ive noticed that mplayer has dissappeared from my install
[08:55] <goonie> janC: but mplayer is in gentoo portage I think.. or at least it was
[08:57] <JanC> but it's not in debian afaik
[08:57] <Dekkard> portage has nuffing to do with apt
[08:58] <goonie> Dekkard: I know, I was just saying that it shouldn't be because of licences if it's allowed in portage
[08:58] <saif> but i can't find it on the mono site
[08:58] <Dekkard> k
[09:00] <ulisse> Hi channel!
[09:00] <zenwhen> hi
[09:00] <saif> ah! but I found it among the pakages on my computER!  :) donno how it got there! probably this get-apt commad that got me all the apps in the world!
[09:00] <saif> I am downloading now!
[09:01] <ulisse> I'm having a strange behaviour with gnome-menus in hoary
[09:01] <ulisse> Sometimes it disappears the buttons to logoff, run apps etc...
[09:01] <bestadvocate> ulisse: me too are some programs not appearing?
[09:02] <bestadvocate> oh i had that problem too
[09:02] <bestadvocate> i had to restart
[09:02] <ulisse> bestadvocate, not programs, but basic functions
[09:02] <bestadvocate> ulisse:and since the restart button was missing i had to use ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:03] <ulisse> the strange is that sometimes I start Gnome regularry, the button is there, but after a while it disappear!
[09:03] <bestadvocate> ulisse: did it happen right after you updated? thats the only 2 times it happened to me
[09:03] <ulisse> bestadvocate, It happens since two days ago update, but happens daily...
[09:03] <bestadvocate> but i just started to use hoary today last night and its happened twice to me
[09:04] <Tyche> what is PAM Authentication?
[09:04] <ulisse> I think it could be a known issue, hoary is in developement, but I came here just to know if it was happening only to me ;)
[09:05] <bestadvocate> ulisse: do you know your way around bugzilla? i think we should check it out
[09:05] <pisuke> pam = plugable autentication modules
[09:05] <pisuke> you can use pam to autenticate login, ldap ...
[09:05] <pisuke> google a bit about it
[09:06] <farruinn> there's a man page for it too
[09:06] <ulisse> bestadvocate, I don't know how to use bugzilla, I just took a look into the forum
[09:06] <bestadvocate> ulisse: i have only the vagest ideas after reading firefox bugs for fun
[09:07] <bestadvocate> ( i was really into that whole google-firefox conspericy theory)
[09:07] <Tyche> where can I read about how to configure the postfix installation?
[09:07] <ulisse> bestadvocate, I think I'll wait and see, gnome-menus are under hard-development right now...
[09:08] <ulisse> Now I have to go, sadly I have to reboot under winzozz
[09:08] <bestadvocate> alright, goodluck!
[09:08] <ulisse> C U next time ;)
[09:08] <Tyche> pisuke: Thanks
[09:12] <scizzo> this is...ummm...annoying...
[09:13] <zerokarmaleft> this->stop_annoying_scizzo();
[09:15] <saif> stop_annoying_scizzo() { saif.leave(); };
[09:15] <saif> bye!
[09:15] <saif> thanx for everything!
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> How can I make it so I loggin in at console?
[09:17] <zerokarmaleft> RuffianSoldier, you mean so gdm is disabled?
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[09:17] <scizzo> anyone that has the solution for GLX and nvidia cards for Xorg?
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> I dont want X to start at boot
[09:18] <rend> what the difference between wth warty-release-install-i386.iso and warty-release-live-i386.iso ?
[09:18] <Spherical`> live cd
[09:18] <rend> right and whats live cd?
[09:18] <Spherical`> installation to hard-drive cd?
[09:19] <Spherical`> Rights off the disk...
[09:19] <Spherical`> No need to install.
[09:19] <Spherical`> runs*
[09:19] <bestadvocate> live cds dont install, its knoppix
[09:19] <rend> ahh, kinda thought that but wanted to check
[09:19] <rend> so only 1 cd for the install compared to 7+ for debian? :)
[09:20] <bestadvocate> yah but thats for many reasons
[09:20] <thenuke_> rend: :) you do not need the 7+ cd's to install debian
[09:20] <rend> thenuke_: I know :)
[09:20] <bestadvocate> if you want to use less debian cds use the debian-installer
[09:20] <rend> the net install on debian is very good
[09:20] <maijk> 
[09:21] <Walcky> Hi all
[09:22] <Ti_Uhl> hello
[09:22] <Ti_Uhl> :)
[09:23] <bestadvocate> hi ti_uhl
[09:23] <bestadvocate> hi walcky
[09:24] <Synek> re-hi ;)
[09:25] <Ti_Uhl> i'm setting up a workshop around linux in my university and currently have about 200 subscriptions, and i was wondering if i could spread the ubuntu cd's wich i can order online. But is it possible to order about 300 cd's ? i currently ordered 50 of them.
[09:26] <bip> well if u read carefully the cd ordering page
[09:26] <bip> there is a note about mass orders Ti_Uhl
[09:27] <bip> How Many CDs Can I Order?
[09:27] <bip> You should use your judgment and limit yourself to a reasonable number of CDs for yourself and to give to your friends and coworkers. If you a large number of CDs, you will be contacted by Canonical staff to confirm who will ask about how you intend to use the CDs and to
[09:27] <bip> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/
[09:27] <Ti_Uhl> bip well for a workshop with 200 attendees so far .... would that be a good enough reason ?
[09:28] <bip> well i dont work foir canonical ...
[09:28] <bip> why don t u ask em Ti_Uhl ?
[09:28] <Ti_Uhl> couldn't find an email adress to ask them so i figured that here would be the appropiate place :)
[09:29] <scaroo> hi ppl, i d like to know if the kernel 2.6.9 used in current hoary is inotify patched
[09:30] <Ti_Uhl> bip : found the email adress in the faq, thx
[09:30] <Ti_Uhl> :)
[09:35] <Aure> Hello
[09:35] <Aure> i've just installed a frech hoarty
[09:35] <Aure> +fresh -frech
[09:36] <Aure> everything is ok, but the xorg configuration
[09:37] <Aure> i'm stuck to the 640x480. A dpkg-reconfigure doesn't help
[09:38] <Aure> anyone to help ?
[09:38] <Qerub> set your monitor "frequencies" in your x config
[09:39] <Aure> ok
[09:39] <Aure> i've only used medium preferences
[09:43] <RuffianSoldier> # The default runlevel.
[09:43] <RuffianSoldier>  id:5:initdefault:
[09:43] <RuffianSoldier>  if I change that to 3 it wont start X right?
[09:45] <superted> is it problematic to downgrade to warty from hoary?
[09:46] <superted> just did an upgrade and the desktop is pretty ruined
[09:47] <Aure> ok, I've switch to Advanced with the right frequencies, but it solves nothing
[09:47] <Aure> another idea ? :)
[09:47] <CraHan_> strange
[09:48] <bestadvocate> i just filled out a bug in bugzilla, i hope i did it in an understandable and apropriate manner
[09:48] <CraHan_> when I attach a usb CF device, gnome asks me to import the images
[09:48] <CraHan_> but doesn't show a flash icon on the desktop
[09:48] <noname-nouser> hmm, glu looks problematic
[09:48] <CraHan_> hoary though
[09:48] <CraHan_> so I guess it's no surprise
[09:49] <bestadvocate> anyone know how to restart just gnome-panel?
[09:49] <Aure> CraHan_, I use hoary because warty installer freezes on my computer
[09:49] <farruinn> bestadvocate: if you kill the process it should automatically restart
[09:49] <CraHan_> Aure: did you try using acpi=off before booting?
[09:49] <Aure> maybe should I deactivate some module ?
[09:50] <CraHan_> I had warty hang too during the install
[09:50] <Aure> CraHan_, no, but before it works with
[09:50] <bestadvocate> how should i kill it farruinn
[09:50] <CraHan_> was because acpi was messing things up
[09:50] <farruinn> bestadvocate: run killall gnome-panel from the command line
[09:50] <bestadvocate> ty here it goes
[09:51] <bestadvocate> that went badly
[09:51] <bestadvocate> not all of it restarted
[09:51] <farruinn> if you can log out and log back in that would be best
[09:51] <bestadvocate> yah looks like i have to... sigh thanks....
[09:57] <bestadvocate_> hello again everyone
[09:57] <farruinn> have a functional gnome-panel now?
[09:58] <thrillhouse_home> hey, question about kernel images.  do i want kernel-image-2.6.x or linux-image-2.6.x?
[09:58] <thrillhouse_home> i am trying to install the nvidia drivers in hoary
[09:58] <bestadvocate_> say i was wondering, i was using the nice program Ubuntu Update Manager, which is a nice front aplication for synaptic. The problem is it does not seem to run "apt-get update" or the "refresh" button automatically do you think I should report this as a bug in Ubuntu bugzilla?
[09:59] <diego> thrillhouse_home: i think one depends on the other but i'm not sure
[10:00] <bestadvocate_> yah i do farruin thanks
[10:00] <thrillhouse_home> trying to install the linux-restricted-2.6.x package which requires linux-image.  but i have kernel-image installed already.  and when i try to install linux-image, there are errors because it is trying to overwrite files owned by kernel-image.
[10:01] <thrillhouse_home> what is the difference between the two?
[10:02] <bestadvocate_> thrillhouse_home: is kernel-image the ubuntu tweaked version and linux-restricted the debian origional version possibly?
[10:03] <thrillhouse_home> i think it is the other way around.  kernel-image is in sid/woody/etc.  i think the linux-image is the ubuntu version
[10:04] <bestadvocate_> alrigth that makes sense to me
[10:04] <thrillhouse_home> makes sense because the restricted image needs the linux-image.  can i remove the package for the kernel i am running safely ;)?
[10:04] <bestadvocate_> anyone: well since no-one has an opinion on whether I should report the Ubuntu Update Manager I think I will report it
[10:05] <farruinn> thrillhouse_home: just apt-get install linux-image-[arch] 
[10:05] <farruinn> that ought to upgrade your current kernel if it needs upgrading
[10:05] <farruinn> (where [arch]  is ppc, i386, or amd64 of course)
[10:05] <NetGeek> anyone know a place to get gftp for ubuntu
[10:05] <thrillhouse_home> but it comflicts with kernel-image-[arch] 
[10:05] <thrillhouse_home> it will not install
[10:06] <farruinn> I believe that kernel-image-[arch]  is a meta package
[10:06] <thrillhouse_home> btw, is there a "default" sudo pw?  i did the conversion from debian unstable -> hoary, and my root pw does not work for sudo
[10:07] <farruinn> sudo uses your user password
[10:07] <thrillhouse_home> farruinn: ah
[10:07] <farruinn> as long as your user is in the sudoers file it will work
[10:08] <thrillhouse_home> farruinn: well i have kernel-image-x installed.  i am trying to install restricted-image-x.  it needs linux-image-x.  it won't install, it conflicts with kernel-image-x
[10:08] <farruinn> apt-get remove kernel-image-x
[10:08] <farruinn> it's a dummy package
[10:08] <jdong> you shouldn't be using kernel-image-x anyway!
[10:08] <jdong> ubuntu uses linux-image-x
[10:08] <thrillhouse_home> yes, i know that now :)
[10:08] <farruinn> and linux-source-x too btw
[10:09] <jdong> kernel-image-x is auto-imported from Debian :(
[10:09] <thrillhouse_home> i am running kernel-image-x tho, can i remove it while running it?
[10:09] <jdong> yeah
[10:09] <thrillhouse_home>  I repeat, this is very dangerous. If at all in doubt, answer
[10:09] <thrillhouse_home>     no. If you know exactly what you are doing, and are prepared to
[10:09] <thrillhouse_home>     hose your system, then answer Yes.
[10:09] <jdong> but make sure you install a new kernel befoore rebooting!!
[10:09] <thrillhouse_home> yah :)
[10:10] <jdong> but you're fine removing it!
[10:10] <jdong> (I'd install linux-image before removing kernel-image)
[10:10] <jdong> lol
[10:10] <farruinn> jdong, he can't, conflicts
[10:10] <jdong> ok
[10:10] <jdong> didn't see that part
[10:10] <farruinn> he mentioned it before you got here I think
[10:10] <thrillhouse_home> ok, looks that that worked ok.
[10:11] <thrillhouse_home> farruinn: /etc/sudoers?
[10:11] <jdong> you don't wanna edit that manually ;-)
[10:11] <jdong> use visudo
[10:12] <jdong> just like how you'd use vipw or vigr for /etc/passwd and /etc/groups ;)
[10:12] <thrillhouse_home> sure ;).
[10:12] <thrillhouse_home> what do i need to add myself?
[10:12] <jdong> the last time I made a syntax error in /etc/passwd.... oh that was a LOT of fun!
[10:12] <thrillhouse_home> haha
[10:12] <jdong> visudo
[10:13] <thrillhouse_home> if i want to add user x to the sudo list
[10:13] <jdong> x <tab> ALL=(ALL) ALL
[10:13] <thrillhouse_home> (if you know off the top of your head)
[10:13] <sladen> 770All *and * Dave's bithday's?
[10:13] <sladen> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta
[10:13] <chico25> hello
[10:14] <chico25> I'm spanish
[10:14] <sladen> gah, wrong channel
[10:14] <jdong> I'm jdong
[10:14] <chico25> I have a problem
[10:14] <jdong> yay, 1 package away from a finished XFCE backport!
[10:14] <chico25> MY ubunto d'ont have lock
[10:15] <jdong> lock?
[10:15] <farruinn> jdong, oooh, backporting from hoary to warty?
[10:15] <chico25> yes
[10:15] <jdong> farruinn: Nope, from XFCE's website
[10:15] <jdong> 4.2 RC2
[10:15] <jdong> It aint' in hoary yet!
[10:15] <farruinn> ah, even better
[10:15] <jdong> LOL
[10:15] <chico25> block sesion, no
[10:15] <chico25> lock sesion
[10:15] <linux_mafia> whom should i petition for inclusion of an option in the kernel images?
[10:15] <jdong> What did you change?
[10:16] <punkrockguy318> how can I open another gnome session while an existing one is open?
[10:16] <farruinn> punkrockguy318: sudo apt-get install xnest
[10:16] <farruinn> it's great =)
[10:16] <jdong> gdmflexiserver
[10:16] <punkrockguy318> farruinn, yeah
[10:16] <punkrockguy318> but like another server on f8
[10:16] <thrillhouse_home> also, what is this "not authenticated" stuff for some packages?
[10:17] <jdong> err, it doesn't have a signature?
[10:17] <punkrockguy318> jdong, thanks, exactly what i was looking for
[10:17] <linux_mafia> thrillhouse_home, the new apt uses digital sigs
[10:17] <thrillhouse_home> linux_mafia: ah
[10:17] <linux_mafia> well checks the sigs of the packages i should say
[10:18] <farruinn> that's only in hoary, correct?
[10:18] <linux_mafia> i think so
[10:18] <Hendri1> Hey, is there anywone who can help me with installing quake2?
[10:18] <punkrockguy318> is there any way I can add a menu item to all menus?
[10:19] <linux_mafia> it makes good sense, especially after some of the debian machines were compromised, and savannagh (sp?) etc
[10:19] <punkrockguy318> or can I add a menu item to the Computer menu in gnome?
[10:19] <linux_mafia> punkrockguy318, in hoary?
[10:19] <punkrockguy318> i want to add gdmflexiserver
[10:19] <punkrockguy318> linux_mafia, in warty
[10:20] <jdong> It's under Apps->System Tools already!
[10:20] <jdong> New Login
[10:20] <punkrockguy318> jdong, ah thank you :-D i thought i saw it...
[10:20] <linux_mafia> oh, just right click, an option exists iirc to add menu items
[10:20] <bestadvocate_> lock like the button next to logout?
[10:20] <bestadvocate_> neverming what i just typed
[10:20] <punkrockguy318> bestadvocate_, yeah like that
[10:21] <punkrockguy318> linux_mafia, is there any way to add it to the root menu? w/ lock and log out?
[10:22] <linux_mafia> punkrockguy318, not sure, and i cant test for myself right now, menus in hoary are a bit screwy
[10:22] <punkrockguy318> i'm about to install hoary on my other partition to check it out
[10:22] <linux_mafia> due to architecture changes in gnomes menuing system
[10:23] <punkrockguy318> how's the new gnome/
[10:23] <jdong> it's really the same
[10:23] <linux_mafia> basically the same
[10:23] <Aure> i've find what sucks on my hoarty xorg: one GL module breaks all
[10:24] <punkrockguy318> that's one thing I miss about arch:  xorg
[10:24] <Hendri1> Quake 2: LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory <- $@#$@#$ :X
[10:27] <thrillhouse_home> anyone having problems with nvidia-glx?
[10:28] <pw> This is sex.
[10:30] <Aure> mmh, i've problems now with rhythmbox : it freezes when playings mp3s (not oggs)
[10:31] <Simira> lucky you, I've got no sound at all
[10:31] <Aure> simira : 2 things possible
[10:31] <jdong> did you install the gstreamer mad packages?
[10:31] <Aure> first, alsa, oss, or don't know ?
[10:32] <Aure> jdong, i've installed a lot of gstreamer packages, but there is some strangeries
[10:32] <geppy> XMMS won't display special characters in the playlist, such as ''.  Is there a fix for this?
[10:32] <Hendri1> it does here...
[10:33] <Aure> jdong, what's the difference between gstreamer0.8-misc and gstreamer-misc ?
[10:33] <Hendri1> btw, on the other side, i don't know how to make thoose chars on linux :)
[10:33] <geppy> Hendri1:  Hmph.  It's just giving me an accented a and a copyright symbol where the  should be.
[10:33] <jdong> aure: I don't think there is....
[10:33] <jdong> the latter is just a more generic package
[10:33] <geppy> Hendri1:  I don't, either, and it'd really help me with my Spanish if I did...
[10:33] <jdong> vestige from Debian.
[10:33] <Hendri1> whehe :)
[10:34] <geppy> =)
[10:34] <Aure> jdong, ok, i'll remove all the 0.8x
[10:34] <Aure> simira : launch alsa-mixer, sets all the fills at max
[10:34] <Aure> Simira, there is lots (use the right key to scroll)
[10:34] <Simira> Aure: I did
[10:35] <will> what is a good music cataloger/orginizer?
[10:35] <scizzo> will: gtktalog
[10:35] <Aure> Simira, then launch gstreamer-properties, and sets the sink audio to alsa
[10:35] <scizzo> will: hmmm...or maybe that is not what you are looking for
[10:35] <iBuntU> rhythembox is good
[10:36] <geppy> Perhaps it's just grip that's messing up these special characters.  Is there a way to make grip accept special characters such as ''?
[10:36] <will> rhythembox freezes when i tu and import all my music
[10:36] <geppy> rhythmbox sucks
[10:36] <will> rhythmbox even!
[10:36] <will> it stops responding half way through loading my library
[10:36] <geppy> will:  same here;  That's "a gstreamer bug"
[10:36] <geppy> hmph
[10:37] <will> geppy have you gone over to xinethen? is all well there?
[10:38] <Simira> Aure: still no sound
[10:38] <geppy> will:  Xine?  I'm currently using XMMS, but I'm having trouble with GRIP.  Are you using XINE?
[10:38] <thully> Hi - does anybody know what sound server Ubuntu Hoary uses - I'm having problems w/sound in Macromedia Flashand the sound server
[10:38] <will> geppy i have it installed, i use totem-xine
[10:39] <geppy> will:  Ah, cool.  I don't care for either of those;  I use XMMS/mplayer.
[10:39] <will> im going to remove all of gstreamer from my warty :)
[10:39] <geppy> will:  heh  =)
[10:39] <Aure> simira : last thing : rise the volume in the gnome sound applet  at top right of the string (ok, last one is not my best idea)
[10:39] <will> geppy: mplayer crashes all the time, and cant resize damn films!
[10:39] <geppy> hahaha
[10:39] <geppy> Works fine for me.  =/
[10:40] <geppy> will: did you do a binary install, or a source one?
[10:40] <will> does it have an audio library feature?
[10:40] <geppy> mplayer?  No.
[10:40] <will> geppy: just from synaptic (586)
[10:40] <maijk> What's the swedish charset?
[10:40] <geppy> will:  That's a bad idea.  You should install mplayer from source, if you want to use it.
[10:41] <Simira> Aure: nope. There's some trouble with esd
[10:41] <geppy> will:  If you'd like, I have a shell script that'll do it automatically, for you.
[10:41] <Aure> Simira, in theory you've selected alsa, not esd
[10:41] <will> that would be useful can you send it over?
[10:41] <Aure> simira : i can't help you more, good luck
[10:41] <Simira> Aure: no, I set all to esd
[10:42] <geppy> will:  It will install gmplayer for you, if you want gmplayer.
[10:42] <Einzelganger> Evolution doesn't see any local mail (used to be warty, now hoary), while there is mail in /var/spool/mail/user which I can read with f.e. mutt. I can't find anything on the web. I've not done anything special, any idea what's wrong? (evo 2.1)
[10:42] <geppy> will: sorry, misread that;  sure
[10:42] <geppy> will:  http://www.bigphatawesome.org/etc/
[10:42] <Simira> Aure: thanks for trying
[10:42] <geppy> It's the mplayer.sh
[10:42] <thully> speaking of these sound issues - any clue on who Flash sound only works w/sound server disabled?  I don't want to disable the sound server, as this causes all GNOME apps to have no sound.
[10:42] <maijk> I really need help with my WEBMIN, I have installed it but I can't log in. "Wrong usernamne or password".
[10:42] <thully> who=why
[10:42] <Gwildor|Work> aure, simira, not sure if this will help, but i once had no sound, and i had to turn up via<something or other>......it wass all the way to the left of alsla mixer
[10:42] <geppy> thully:  When the sound server is accessing the sound device, nothing else can use it.
[10:42] <thully> is there a workaround?
[10:43] <will> geppy: i have gmplayer
[10:43] <geppy> thully:   Probably, but they're all pretty hackish.
[10:43] <Gwildor|Work> aure, simira,    ...sorry all the way to the FAR RIGHT
[10:43] <geppy> will:  Right, but the binary version is very buggy;  if you do a source install, it's practically guaranteed to give you a better experience.
[10:43] <thully> I want Flash sound - but I want rhythmbox sound also
[10:44] <thully> P.S. my sound card is just a basic laptop-integrated snd-intel8x0 based chip
[10:44] <geppy> thully:   I don't know what to say;  ask someone more knowledgeable.  =)
[10:44] <thully> This happens in Hoary - not Warty
[10:44] <will> geppy: what do i need to compile it?
[10:44] <Gwildor|Work> thully, you get rhythmbox sound with the sound server turned off.....i had to turn it off to get sound in ET
[10:44] <earthen> can someone help me with installing swat
[10:44] <geppy> will:  Nothing;  it should install everything that you need to install in the script.
[10:45] <geppy> will:  It'll apt-get gcc and automake, and whatever else you need.
[10:45] <thully> nope - I get no rhythmbox sound w/sound server off
[10:45] <earthen> it says i need to upgrade "3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2" but i can't figure out how
[10:45] <thully> The file attempts to play for 3 secs and then it gives up
[10:45] <maijk> What is default PW to WEBMIN? It isn't root's..... Really need help..
[10:45] <majuno> alguien habla espaol?
[10:45] <Aure> Gwildor|elsewher, i have sound, i have a sis chipset, i am not all fluent with english, so i don't have understand all you write :)
[10:46] <will> geppy: should i remove the package mplayer first from apt-get?
[10:46] <Gwildor|Work> aure, i was giving help to Simira problem
[10:46] <geppy> will:  That would probably be a good idea.
[10:46] <thully> have they changed anyhing major in the last 3-4 weeks in the sound server?
[10:47] <Simira> Gwildor|elsewher: thanks, but that's all ok
[10:47] <Gwildor|Work> Simira, yeah, i came in a bit late.......sorry
[10:47] <Simira> np
[10:47] <earthen> anybody- how can I upgrade to "3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2"  so i can install swat for samba
[10:47] <thully> since it all worked fine in warty - just not hoary, which I wish to test (yes, I know there is the possiblity for bugs, but I like to have "latest and greatest" - besides, hoary kernel has software suspend support
[10:47] <Aure> jdong : the gstreamer* debs are gstreamer0.6* debs. I uninstall all of them, and now it works
[10:48] <linux_mafia> anyone know who should i petition for inclusion of an option in the kernel images?
[10:49] <monoxide> i installed ubuntu last night, but sound doesnt seem to be working...
[10:49] <thully> Hey does anybody here subscribe to the digets form of any Ubuntu mailing list - I'm having a problem with the Ubuntu digest
[10:49] <Gwildor|Work> linux_mafia, try in #ubuntu-dev     or whatever the channel is
[10:49] <will> geppy: whats the command to run the script?
[10:49] <thully> All text in thhe digest turns an unreadable gray about 1/3 down the page
[10:50] <geppy> will:  once you've downloaded it, just do './mplayer.sh'
[10:50] <will> monoxide: try lspci see if your sound card is there
[10:50] <linux_mafia> Gwildor|elsewher, good thinking man, im a bit braindead this morning, heh
[10:50] <Gwildor|Work> np :)
[10:50] <svenl> Someone here is using this nice cool&quiet thingy on their amd64 box ? I did get it working the first time, but now i seem to have problems with it ?
[10:51] <monoxide> can anyone help me get sound server working?
[10:51] <will> geppy: command not found
[10:51] <iBuntU> is there any language-learning software for linux? i know theres many different language tutors you can buy for windows... i'm trying to learn dutch and an interactive program might help
[10:52] <geppy> will: run this:   wget http://www.bigphatawesome.org/etc/mplayer.sh && ./mplayer.sh
[10:52] <monoxide> 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02)
[10:52] <Gwildor|Work> ibuntu, honestly, i learned a bit of greek playing an mmorpg, my clan was all greek.......try that....and its fun
[10:52] <will> geppy:still does not work!
[10:53] <monoxide> you need to det execute permission on the script first
[10:53] <iBuntU> thats an idea
[10:53] <majuno> alguien habla espaol?
[10:53] <monoxide> chmod 0755 mplayer.sh
[10:53] <geppy> will: one second
[10:53] <will> its working now!
[10:53] <will> put execute permision on it!
[10:54] <jkelly> ?
[10:54] <geppy> will: wget http://www.bigphatawesome.org/etc/mplayer.sh && sh ./mplayer.sh
[10:54] <geppy> will:  When you download it, you're the one that puts the permissions on it... but that should work, anyways.
[10:54] <will> oh i love 8Mbits connections!
[10:54] <geppy> will:  Is it working?
[10:55] <will> geppy: yeah i gave it execute permission
[10:55] <will> geppy: its running now :)
[10:55] <vinic> hi people! I'm trying to access chkconfig but i get "command not found" (and, yes i type SUDO before..."
[10:55] <monoxide> oh i hate 56Kbits connections
[10:55] <karlos> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[10:55] <geppy> =)
[10:56] <monoxide> will: can you help me get sound server working now? ;)
[10:57] <vinic> anyone can help?
[10:57] <monoxide> can someone help me get sound working? i need my music...
[10:57] <will> monoxide: sorry, does lspci list your sound card?
[10:57] <linux_mafia> vinic, chkconfig is not included in debian/ubuntu systems, although it may be apt-gettable
[10:58] <earthen> can some one help with installing swat
[10:58] <thully> monoxide: are you on warty or hoary
[10:58] <monoxide> 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02)    <<< i think thats a sound card?
[10:58] <svenl> vinic: it probably is not installed, what is it supposed to do ?
[10:58] <monoxide> warty
[10:58] <vinic> eveI used to run it...
[10:58] <thully> monoxide: check your sound volume - it may be muted by default
[10:59] <linux_mafia> svenl, Found in most .rpm based distro's (not in Debian systems), chkconfig is a command line, non-graphical tool that can be used to start, stop, add and remove services
[10:59] <vinic> it configures services at startup
[10:59] <will> monoxide: yes have you checked computer, desktop preferences, sound
[10:59] <svenl> vinic: /etc/init.d/<service> start | stop | restart ?
[11:00] <monoxide> it says enable sound server startup and its ticked
[11:00] <vinic> svenl . I know but I want to disable some stuff at start up
[11:00] <will> monoxide: also as thully said: try right clicking on your speaker icon (top right) and
[11:00] <thully> monoxide: You want "PCM" up to about 2/3 (in Volume Control-Playback) and Volume and CD to about the same (in Volume Control-Capture)
[11:00] <will> monoxide: good
[11:01] <svenl> vinic: add a exit 0 at the start of the script ?
[11:01] <monoxide> thully: its on 100%
[11:01] <will> thully: what is my 'pcm-2'?
[11:01] <will> oops
[11:01] <thully> Nothing important - at least on standard setups
[11:01] <jkelly> how do you install kde for ubuntu?
[11:01] <vinic> svenl , ???
[11:01] <linux_mafia> vinic, it dosen't appear to exist in ubuntu, if you have your heart set on that tool i think there is a debian proper package, you should probably install rcconf, its an easy way to manage those things
[11:01] <thully> Is PCM up also?
[11:02] <Gwildor|Work> jkelly, apt-get install kde
[11:02] <vinic> linux_mafia well I maybe have some mixed reminds with mandrake
[11:02] <monoxide> pardon thully?
[11:02] <vinic> linux_mafia Thank you
[11:02] <thully> monoxide: what is your "PCM" volume level
[11:02] <jkelly> thanks
[11:02] <thully> monoxide:  What about the master volume, and CD?
[11:03] <maijk> What is default PW to WEBMIN? It isn't root's..... Really need help..
[11:03] <monoxide> it has four mixers and some of them were on 0 for master and pcm
[11:03] <monoxide> i put them up and i am testing it now
[11:03] <earthen> Can anyone help with samba and swat
[11:04] <thully> thully: Also, check to make sure they aren't muted (make sure the speaker icons have no X over them)
[11:04] <linux_mafia> vinic, you can also use the command 'update-rc.d' man for syntax, but be aware that an upgrade of packages will restore links
[11:05] <linux_mafia> earthen, whats the problem
[11:05] <will> geppy: are you about?
[11:06] <geppy|away> will: yeah
[11:06] <geppy> will: what is it?
[11:06] <monoxide> awesome! :) its working now
[11:06] <will> geppy: its kicking up errors and quiting, shall i paste to #flood?
[11:06] <geppy> will:  hold on, I'm about to reboot;  I'll be right back.
[11:07] <will> geppy: ok see ya soon
[11:07] <monoxide> thanks a bunch will and thully
[11:07] <will> monoxide: damn mixers eh!
[11:09] <thully> I'm having a stupid problem w/flash - it just doesn't want to play sound w/the sound server on, and GNOME apps don't want to play  sound w/sound server off
[11:09] <earthen> can someone help me with this error
[11:09] <earthen> "swat: Depends: samba (= 3.0.7-1ubuntu6) but 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2 is to be installed"
[11:09] <will> earthen: that is a dependency nightmare!
[11:09] <earthen> doh!
[11:09] <earthen> how can i fix it
[11:10] <farruinn> earthen: do you use multiple repositories?
[11:10] <earthen> yes i think so
[11:10] <farruinn> try commenting them out in you sources.list
[11:10] <earthen> what one should i leave there
[11:11] <farruinn> leave the official ubuntu ones there
[11:11] <farruinn> archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com ones
[11:12] <earthen> ok but thats all that was there anyway'
[11:13] <earthen> seemed like they were there 4 times though
[11:13] <will> earthen: remove universe
[11:14] <farruinn> but then he can't get swat at all
[11:14] <geppy> will: you here?  =)
[11:14] <farruinn> in warty anyway
[11:14] <earthen> i don't see universe there but i'm sure i added it before is there a file i can check to see
[11:15] <will> geppy: yeah
[11:15] <Aure> ok, now gstreamer works, xorg too. But nvidia-glx don't work (glxgears segfaults). Any idea ? :)
[11:15] <will> can you take a look in flood?
[11:15] <geppy> will:  alright
[11:15] <jkelly> why don't u add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[11:15] <geppy> will:  Which file were you downloading, at the time?
[11:15] <jkelly> to sources.list
[11:16] <farruinn> earthen, try running sudo apt-get clean
[11:16] <will> geppy: i dnt understand why it has corrupted, i have re-downloaded 3 times
[11:16] <farruinn> earthen: then enable universe for swat
[11:16] <will> geppy: all the files had downloaded
[11:16] <suix> hi
[11:16] <geppy> will:  Which file is it?
[11:16] <suix> I've yust removed a partiton, resized another and I've changed the root directory partiton
[11:17] <suix> Ive changed the grub conf but when I boot the system I get error 15
[11:17] <jkelly> earthen: add deb ftp:/ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[11:17] <suix> do u know why can I get this error?
[11:17] <farruinn> jkelly: for swat?
[11:17] <jkelly> earthen: then add deb ftp:/ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:17] <earthen> ok i did the clean but i'm not see the universe in the list now
[11:17] <will> geppy: it was an error in the script
[11:18] <earthen> I can't seem to add any more eather
[11:18] <geppy> will:  If you go back to before the errors start popping up, it should tell you which file it was downloading.
[11:18] <jkelly> and then add earthen: add deb ftp:/ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main testing main
[11:18] <will> geppy: lok in flood again, i have pasted in everything
[11:19] <geppy> will:  You must've pasted it before I joined...
[11:19] <cudgera> #flood
[11:20] <usual> hi lamont_r
[11:20] <Pugio> Hello hello hello, can anyone recommend any good linux books?
[11:20] <pw> "Running Linux"
[11:20] <jkelly> hacking exposed: linux and unix security.
[11:20] <Pugio> Something that covers the basics, but also explains HOW things work
[11:20] <earthen> ok i added itall now
[11:21] <usual> Linux for dummies
[11:21] <Pugio> like, how the various OS layers work - kernel, window manager, etc.
[11:21] <farruinn> earthen: run an apt-ge update for your changes to take effect then try again
[11:21] <KING^^^> hello i have a question
[11:21] <KING^^^> how can i logon another root ? on port ssh 22 ?
[11:21] <jkelly> Pugio: hacking exposed: linux and unix security, good book, inresting.
[11:22] <Pugio> is that only about security tho?
[11:22] <KING^^^> like i do on windows with putty
[11:22] <earthen> ok
[11:22] <maijk> Im installing webmin now, The setup list 60 linux OS, but not ubuntu. What should I choose???
[11:22] <jkelly> no there's quite a few.
[11:23] <KING^^^> nobody can help me ?
[11:23] <farruinn> maijk: are you using apt?
[11:23] <will> geppy: its all broken up (in flood) check http://www.pastebin.com/130093
[11:23] <earthen> farruinn: i still get the same error
[11:23] <nirai> KING^^^ do you want to connect to ubuntu with ssh?
[11:23] <farruinn> earthen: warty or hoary?
[11:23] <geppy> will:  Okay, it's there, now.
[11:23] <saif> hello every1
[11:23] <earthen> should i remove samba and reinstall it
[11:23] <saif> me again
[11:23] <nirai> or do you want to connect from ubuntu to another machine?
[11:23] <KING^^^> not ubuntu nirai
[11:23] <KING^^^> another root
[11:23] <earthen> warty i think how can i tell
[11:24] <maijk> farruinn, nope. Installing from the tar.gz from webmin.com... I installed with apt, but I cant log in to the webmin then
[11:24] <farruinn> earthen: that's what I would suggest. remove samba then install swat
[11:24] <KING^^^> another machine
[11:24] <nirai> open up terminal
[11:24] <KING^^^> and ?
[11:24] <nirai> then type this in ssh -l root ipaddress
[11:24] <maijk> farruinn,  can I choose slackware or something like that? ;)
[11:24] <farruinn> maijk: I only recommend using apt
[11:25] <KING^^^> nirai: but it's a user
[11:25] <earthen> now i get this error
[11:25] <earthen> swat: Depends: samba (= 3.0.7-1ubuntu6) but it is not going to be installed
[11:25] <nirai> the "-l" flag lets you choose user name.
[11:25] <geppy> will:  I don't know what to say;  it's working fine for me.  Perhaps you could try breaking up the shell script, and working on it.  It's just an amalgamation of the commands that you'd run on the command line.
[11:25] <KING^^^> then i type : ssh -l user ipadress ?
[11:25] <nirai> ssh -l user ipaddress
[11:25] <KING^^^> ok
[11:25] <KING^^^> thx
[11:25] <maijk> farruinn, but when I install with synaptics everything work, but i cant log in @ webmin. Trying to log in with my root account as default but it doesn't work!
[11:26] <farruinn> maijk: just as long as you realize that installing something w/o apt makes even _more_ likely that it won't work with the rest of your system
[11:26] <neighborlee> is it better to upgrade or dist-upgrade..synaptic is giving me confusing opinions on both and I'd wondering which is prudent ? ;-))
[11:26] <farruinn> earthen: see if you can `apt-get install swat=3.0.7-1'
[11:26] <neighborlee> I'm
[11:26] <earthen> ok
[11:27] <saif> guys, i'm totally new to linux, i was told that mono is the closeset to c# andhas all the .net libraries
[11:27] <saif> i got monodevelop, ubt i don't c any webapplications,
[11:27] <earthen>  farruinn: it says
[11:27] <earthen> Version '3.0.7-1' for 'swat' was not found
[11:27] <saif> now i am a web developer using C#, what's out there for me!??
[11:28] <earthen> si there some way i can list what they have
[11:28] <farruinn> earthen: aha, I know
[11:28] <neighborlee> saif, that is correct
[11:28] <neighborlee> saif, closest to yes library wize what it has I can't say...
[11:29] <linux_mafia> maijk, what does "i cant login" actually mean, passwd not accepted, cant get it to connect on the browser? what?
[11:29] <farruinn> earthen: in your /etc/apt/sources.list add universe to the deb http://security.ubuntu.com... line and the deb-src line below that
[11:29] <earthen> ok
[11:29] <saif> ok, so for a web application, the laguage i should learn for linux is php??
[11:30] <geppy> Yes.
[11:30] <farruinn> earthen: then sudo apt-get update again of course
[11:30] <will> geppy: should i run this from my home dir?
[11:30] <geppy> will:  it shouldn't matter, but that'd be fine
[11:30] <geppy> wait
[11:30] <geppy> yes
[11:30] <saif> what languages are there for web development, and what programs are there to help me with programmin?
[11:30] <maijk> linux_mafia, default loggon account is root, but It doesn't work. https://localhost:10000 works fine, but I can't log in @ webmin
[11:31] <will> geppy: okay its running again now :)
[11:31] <geppy> haha =)
[11:31] <|QuaD|> saif: php, asp, can use perl, lots
[11:31] <geppy> will:  were you in /, or something?
[11:31] <earthen> what do you mean add universe to it
[11:31] <arctick> saif: php is pretty much standard, esp. when working with databases
[11:32] <will> geppy: no /home/will
[11:32] <saif> aha, php and mysql,
[11:32] <saif> but a development tool,
[11:32] <neighborlee> saif, I find eclipse to be a very nice IDE environment...
[11:32] <|QuaD|> saif: vim
[11:32] <arctick> i want to learn php+sql myself but i dont know where to start
[11:32] <farruinn> make it look like this: deb http://security.ubuntu.com... warty-security main restricted universe
[11:32] <arctick> ive got as far as installing apache ;)
[11:32] <geppy> arctick:  php.net
[11:32] <saif> arctick: same here
[11:33] <jkelly_> what's a good way to learn programming, i've seen runtime revoulution and i tried python, i am also starting to use a prgram called comal, it's for apple mac.
[11:33] <|QuaD|> saif and arctick: both php and mysql have nice websites
[11:34] <farruinn> earthen: without the ... of course
[11:34] <linux_mafia> maijk, i dont understand what "@ webmin" means
[11:35] <jkelly_> programming, anyone? just staarting, very basic, tips on what books to read and what websites to go to?
[11:35] <earthen> do i do the same for the deb-src as well
[11:35] <saif> |Quad|: ok, thanx alot, i'll go get vim and eclipse and c those websites, php.net??!
[11:35] <saif> jkelly_: yes?
[11:35] <|QuaD|> saif: you don't neeed vim AND eclipse
[11:35] <bborkk> I have a strange problem that causes my system bell to be turned into a screen flash... looks like the screen is refreshing or something.  This happened after I installed MPlayer.  Any ideas?
[11:35] <|QuaD|> vim comes with ubuntu
[11:35] <saif> it does?
[11:36] <farruinn> earthen: yeah
[11:36] <geppy>  How do you kill a program in a "D" state/
[11:36] <saif> command not found!
[11:36] <|QuaD|> weird... i thought it did
[11:36] <|QuaD|> try from a command
[11:36] <jkelly_> saif: do u do programming?
[11:37] <bborkk> jkelly: Check out the www.python.org website... it has a lot of resources for learning Python from scratch.
[11:37] <saif> jkelly_: yes i do, microsoft though, VB.NET C# ..
[11:37] <|QuaD|> VB.NET yucky
[11:37] <xevil> vim was standard in my Ubuntu install
[11:37] <arctick> saif: check out bluefish for code editing, much better than vim
[11:37] <|QuaD|> c# is a little more respectable, not much though
[11:37] <|QuaD|> vb.net programmers should be ashamed to admit it
[11:37] <earthen> farruinn: thank you it seems to be updating it now
[11:38] <jkelly_> i want to learn a programming language that's free. linux, hail open source!
[11:38] <farruinn> earthen: yay! =)
[11:38] <saif> i figured that lately too! :)
[11:38] <yurik> hi........ who knows where is the grub.conf in UBUNTU?
[11:38] <saif> but it gets the job done easily, and it works!
[11:38] <earthen> Thank you very much
[11:38] <bborkk> jkelly: Well, Ubuntu primarily uses Python.
[11:38] <farruinn> earthen: I was having a similar problem with some other package and didn't realize that there were security updates in universe
[11:38] <gangalino> any windows media plugins?
[11:38] <farruinn> yurik: to find a file use locate <file>
[11:39] <earthen> this is only my second week using linux so i'm very new to this all
[11:39] <jkelly_> i've used python for windows, but that's it. how do istart python if i have it already installed?
[11:39] <farruinn> earthen: cool, get ready to learn a lot =)
[11:40] <yurik> farruinn, "locate grub" doesnt work
[11:40] <earthen> hehe i'm a tech for a small school and i've desided to wipe all the windows computer and put Ubuntu on them lol
[11:40] <jkelly_> linux is cool. can't wait to longhorn comes out.... not!
[11:40] <xevil> yurik: isn't it /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:40] <earthen> maybe i should waite for a bit lol
[11:40] <farruinn> xevil: thanks, I'm on ppc
[11:40] <yurik> xevil, wait ... let me check
[11:41] <farruinn> earthen: heheh, probably a good idea
[11:41] <jkelly_> earthen: stay away from the dark side! lol.
[11:41] <arctick> longhorn will be a disapointment, i dont think theyre even doing the new filesysterm anymore
[11:41] <marcellus> Should it be possible to have both xorg-common and xfree86-common installed?
[11:41] <farruinn> earthen: when I was in high school they put linux on a couple of computers to sort of see how people liked it
[11:41] <earthen> unbuntu runs so well though so far except for a few small things
[11:42] <will> lonnnnnnghorn is scum
[11:42] <earthen> yeah i have done the same thing here
[11:42] <farruinn> yes, I'm very impressed with ubuntu
[11:42] <yurik> xevil, yes... you are right ........ thanks a lot!
[11:42] <xevil> yurik: n/p dude
[11:42] <jkelly_> it's just FUD. that's all they do. this is the one thing microsoft can get rid of... linux!
[11:42] <earthen> I am thinking of maybe duel boot
[11:42] <jkelly_> *can't
[11:42] <saif> well, to be frank with u guys, i thought linux should be running more smoothly than this,
[11:42] <saif> i'm totally new to it,
[11:43] <jkelly_> it's just FUD. that's all they do. this is the one thing microsoft can't get rid of... linux!
[11:43] <saif> ubuntu is the first distro i use, and it's been 4 days, and the system crashed 4 times already!
[11:43] <bborkk> Anyone out there using ibm-acpi on a Thinkpad?
[11:43] <jkelly_> is linux 64-bit any good?
[11:43] <will> saif: what did you do to your ubuntu box?!?!
[11:44] <bborkk> saif: Really?  Mine hasn't crashed at all.  What hardware are you using?
[11:44] <arctick> linux hasnt crashed 4 times for me in the last, more than 4 years
[11:44] <jkelly_> of course i woud need a 64-bit laptop.
[11:44] <saif> athlon 2000+
[11:44] <saif> nvidia gforce
[11:44] <xevil> saif: what motherboard chipset?
[11:44] <saif> 756 ram
[11:45] <saif> soltek
[11:45] <jkelly_> linux hardly ever crashes... windows does.... all the time.. glad to get away from it.
[11:45] <thenuke> and what have you been doing when it has crashed?
[11:45] <thenuke> solteks are crap :9
[11:45] <saif> dono exact number
[11:45] <saif> yeah
[11:45] <xevil> is it a nforce2?
[11:45] <thenuke> dunno if it has anything to do with crashes anyways
[11:45] <will> and i love...:NO MORE REBOOTS all the time!!!
[11:45] <saif> but i think the problem is gnome
[11:45] <jkelly_> i'm running ubuntu on a 900mhz machine and it's fast!.
[11:45] <will> saif: gnome has a few issues
[11:45] <saif> geforce4Ti
[11:46] <palmi> can somone please help me, I just installed ubuntu a few minutes ago. I only seem to be able to see one of my two hard drives. how can I find the other one
[11:46] <arctick> where do you put webpages for apache to serve?
[11:46] <will> palmi: you need to mount it
[11:46] <xevil> palmi: mount it
[11:46] <saif> i wanna dowloa kde
[11:46] <saif> it's possible right?
[11:46] <saif> on ubuntu?
[11:46] <jkelly_> apparently there is a memory leak or something like that in windows NT, it needs to restart every 300 days, or something like that.
[11:46] <earthen> yeah we have a alot of 800mhz computer here and ubuntu has made them alot faster than when they were on windows
[11:46] <jkelly_> sudo apt-get install kde
[11:47] <saif> ok cool
[11:47] <will> palmi:http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/
[11:47] <palmi> thanx
[11:47] <arctick> jkelly: i think you mean winME
[11:47] <saif> personally i do't have much trouble with windows,
[11:47] <saif> i just hate the microsoft policy
[11:47] <surrounder> oi
[11:47] <jkelly_> winME?
[11:48] <saif> and don't wanna be on the side!
[11:48] <saif> that side!
[11:48] <saif> ok,
[11:48] <jkelly_> the dark side!
[11:48] <jkelly_> lol
[11:48] <arctick> yeah, windows ME (millenium edition) was the one with the horible memory leaks
[11:48] <dreamer> wintendo 9x doesn't reclaim memory, which is why it needs to be restarted so often
[11:48] <saif> i also:0
[11:48] <will> palmi: its a bit of a newbie himself who wrote it, so if it sounds crappy to you/ strange just ask
[11:48] <dreamer> personally, I've always rather liked the NT line :P
[11:48] <will> arctick: and windows 98
[11:49] <saif> NT 2000 and XPPro are good ( IMHO )
[11:49] <jkelly_> don't they have windows xp 64-bit, it doesn't run anything 64 bit, does it?
[11:49] <arctick> NT is certainly more stable anyway, still not as much so as linux or BSD
[11:49] <saif> anyways, i have a Create SBLive
[11:49] <will> windows 9x's memory management is on a level with a hippie who has smoked 10 joints a day for about 30 years
[11:49] <saif> and 4 speakers
[11:50] <saif> sound only cumz from rear speakers,
[11:50] <saif> vat to do?
[11:50] <will> saif: check out your sound mixer
[11:50] <saif> i did
[11:50] <arctick> thow out the two speakers that sound dosnt come from? lol
[11:50] <saif> tried alsa and oss
[11:50] <jkelly_> have any of you tried novell desktop linux yet?
[11:50] <will> no is it good?
[11:50] <Bh420> nope
[11:51] <arctick> its pretty
[11:51] <Bh420> been wanting to atleast try it so say i have tho
[11:51] <linux_mafia> jkelly_, win is still in beta for 64 bit, you have to pay or jump through hoops to register to use it iirc, and from what ive read and heard its complete crap, as flaky as corn and dandruff
[11:51] <saif> none of them have the rear/front control
[11:51] <jkelly_> yeah,  it's good.
[11:51] <Bh420> havent found a copy of it yet anywhere
[11:51] <jkelly_> it looks nice too.
[11:52] <dreamer> the reason win 64bit is flaky is up until recently it only worked on itanium procs
[11:52] <arctick> where, by default, do i put webpages for apache to serve? documentation for it sucks...
[11:52] <dreamer> which is why it hasn't been released to the general public
[11:52] <Bh420> ive heard good things about the 64bit xp version on A64 chips
[11:52] <jkelly_> that's weird.
[11:52] <dreamer> yeah I've heard it's going well on A64
[11:52] <Bh420> course a64 kicks butt
[11:52] <Gwildor|elsewher> i have a win 64 serial number......but no disk....i know its on newsgroups though
[11:52] <dreamer> it's on emule too
[11:52] <Gwildor|elsewher> the iso is
[11:53] <dreamer> but I wouldn't get it until it's commercially available anyway
[11:53] <dreamer> ;)
[11:53] <Bh420> next system is going to be a A64 :)
[11:53] <Gwildor|elsewher> no 64bit ....so no need for it
[11:53] <jkelly_> would you get it, winxp 64-bit?
[11:53] <dreamer> Bh420: ditto
[11:53] <dreamer> mmm asus sli a64 board
[11:53] <Bh420> if you have a A64 why not try it
[11:53] <saif> u ca get win64 from the microsoft web site!
[11:53] <jkelly_> i know but nothing works for it.
[11:54] <Bh420> most of the issues ive seen related to xp 64bit have been immature drivers
[11:54] <dreamer> I wouldn't be bothered with it until it has popular support
[11:54] <dreamer> too much hassle
[11:54] <Bh420> but not so much lately
[11:54] <jkelly_> and anyway the programs work only in 32-bit.
[11:54] <Bh420> for now this AXP2700 is working fine
[11:54] <Bh420> gotta love nforce2 chipset :)
[11:55] <dreamer> maybe, but I hate the onboard gf4 in the nf2 boards in my shuttles ;)
[11:55] <jkelly_> you can get 64-bit ubuntu.
[11:55] <dreamer> atm ubuntu is running on a duron 850 :P
[11:55] <dreamer> for pretty much just this irc client ;)
[11:56] <Bh420> i got the Asus A7N8X DLX no onboard video.. :)
[11:56] <linux_mafia> dreamer, why do you hate it?
[11:56] <dreamer> because the drivers give me seven kinds of hell
[11:56] <dreamer> :/
[11:56] <Bh420> its a GF4 MX iirc
[11:56] <jkelly_> what does dreamer hate?
[11:56] <dreamer> yeah it's mx
[11:56] <linux_mafia> dreamer, in linux?
[11:56] <Bh420> the GF3 is better then the GF4 MX
[11:56] <dreamer> in windows.
[11:57] <dreamer> I couldn't get ubuntu livecd to boot on it either though
[11:57] <dreamer> my radeon is in my ubuntu machine because my g400 died ;)
[11:57] <Bh420> still using a GF2 Pro here lol
[11:57] <saif> good night
[11:57] <linux_mafia> dreamer, i have soltek nf2 mobo, w/ onboard gfx, ive never had one problem, must be lucky
[11:58] <dreamer> it's in a shuttle mini-itx
[11:58] <dreamer> two of them, actually
[11:58] <dreamer> I suspect one is actually a touch faulty
[11:58] <dreamer> I had to get the board in the other one replaced
[11:58] <Bh420> i want get one of those mini-itx M12000 boards...
[11:58] <Bh420> build a set top computer the size of a cheapie dvd player
[11:59] <jkelly_> you can run linux on an xbox.
[11:59] <dreamer> I wanted to, but I think I'll build one into a silverstone or dign desktop case, so I can use the mobo in my ubuntu box
[11:59] <dreamer> eventually
[11:59] <dreamer> when I have that elusive money thing
[11:59] <shaya> anyone know why delete doesn't work in emacs?
[11:59] <shaya> it just backspaces