| lamont_r | sigh... conf connectivity to the US seems to have tanked. | 12:01 |
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| Mithrandir | thom: shtoom packages. *crave* | 12:07 |
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| linux_mafia | anyone in here that can take ops in #ubuntu? you gotta kick this dude, he's flooding like crazy | 12:19 |
| linux_mafia | never mind, its stopped, and he said was a mistake | 12:20 |
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| magnon | I love how it says "utnudu" on my chest while looking in the mirror. | 12:25 |
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| lamont_r | Mithrandir: THERE ARE PACKAGES???? | 12:27 |
| Mithrandir | lamont_r: he ITP-ed it, at least. | 12:27 |
| lamont_r | Mithrandir: DUDE! kewl. | 12:27 |
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| Mithrandir | lamont_r: I'm bothering your buildds with YA ooo build. | 12:28 |
| Mithrandir | this one ought to work, though | 12:28 |
| lamont_r | feh | 12:28 |
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| Mithrandir | hi haggai | 12:30 |
| Mithrandir | haggai: do you want the patch for using stamp-dir instead of the target directly? | 12:30 |
| haggai | Mithrandir: yes, if you're not going to upload it | 12:31 |
| haggai | otherwise I'll just resync with the pkgs | 12:31 |
| Mithrandir | uploaded 15 minutes ago, or so. | 12:32 |
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| RubenV | is it possible to reset your plone password, I wanna give Rosetta a try | 12:33 |
| RubenV | for Belgium Dutch | 12:33 |
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| RubenV | hmmm, I've found my password in the firefox history | 12:38 |
| RubenV | but I can't log into the launch pad | 12:38 |
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| mjg59 | daniels: I've managed to get X into a weird state where it's not updating the background properly | 01:34 |
| mjg59 | So if I change desktops, I get the contents of the previous desktop in the background behind the text | 01:34 |
| mjg59 | Persists over X restarts, and I can screengrab it in this state | 01:34 |
| mjg59 | daniels: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/brokenx.png | 01:34 |
| mjg59 | daniels: A suspend/resume cycle seems to have fixed it, so I'm guessing it's some weird interaction between vbestate and X | 01:36 |
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| wasabi_ | Hey can somebody explain to me why we distribute mp3 software in universe | 01:49 |
| wasabi_ | but not in main | 01:49 |
| wasabi_ | is universe offshore or something? | 01:49 |
| wasabi_ | Or is it simply principal? | 01:49 |
| infinity | May have more to do with the fact that Ubuntu main is a pretty small core set of packages, and universe is "everything else from Debian that doesn't FTBFS" | 01:50 |
| infinity | ie: Perhaps some folk don't consider said mp3 apps terribly "core". | 01:50 |
| wasabi_ | So it just came along for the ride. | 01:50 |
| wasabi_ | There are a number of instances on u-d where somebody's request for mp3 support from main was rebuked because of patent concerns. | 01:51 |
| wasabi_ | Which begs the question of how it can be in universe. ;) | 01:51 |
| infinity | Oh, then ignore me. :) | 01:51 |
| wasabi_ | Naw, im just asking. | 01:51 |
| infinity | Another valid concern would be that main is (likely) the only bit that ever makes it out on pressed/redistributed CDs. | 01:52 |
| infinity | I'm sure that makes a difference somewhere, to someone... Somehow. | 01:52 |
| infinity | You'd have to ask someone more in the know than I am, though. | 01:52 |
| wasabi_ | My guess is that it's in Debian, and probably should be removed from Debian too. =/ | 01:53 |
| wasabi_ | But that nobody cares to do it. heh. | 01:53 |
| infinity | Debian has an interesting "decoders are kosher, encoders aren't" attitude, backed up by some rather interesting legal wrangling. | 01:54 |
| infinity | Are there mp3 encoders in main that I don't know about? | 01:54 |
| wasabi_ | I thought xmms was | 01:54 |
| infinity | Just a decoder, afaik. | 01:54 |
| wasabi_ | Well, Debian's legal stuff seems suspicious to me. | 01:55 |
| wasabi_ | Decoders are clearly licensed. | 01:55 |
| infinity | Yes, it's the vailidity of the patent that seems to be in question, not the existance of it. | 01:55 |
| infinity | Or some such. | 01:55 |
| wasabi_ | You only have to go to... franwhomevers site to see the prices listed. | 01:55 |
| wasabi_ | I find it confusing that Debian would be prepared to accept that risk. | 01:55 |
| linux_mafia | on the shipping cds point of view, thats probably the sticking point, franhoffer (sp?) probably dosent go after you if you are not actively giving out mp3 capabilities | 01:56 |
| wasabi_ | xmms is in main.. just checked. | 01:56 |
| linux_mafia | perhaps its an mp3 crippled one, like in rh/fedora | 01:57 |
| wasabi_ | possible. I know Debina's isn't. | 01:57 |
| wasabi_ | debians | 01:57 |
| infinity | Debian doesn't stand to lose much, really. FH isn't likely to sue us (we don't have any money), and if they sent a cease and desist, we could.. Y'know... Cease.. And desist. | 01:57 |
| wasabi_ | Ubuntu's position may change that. | 01:57 |
| wasabi_ | At least practically. | 01:57 |
| wasabi_ | THey seem to have money. ;) | 01:58 |
| infinity | Ubuntu's free to distribute what they want. | 01:58 |
| wasabi_ | Yeah. | 01:58 |
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| wasabi_ | I'm just curious about it. | 01:58 |
| infinity | Obviously, Ubuntu doesn't (and never will) distribute all of Debian's archive. | 01:58 |
| wasabi_ | it's hard to consistantly answer somebody's questions about mp3 support in gstreamer. | 01:58 |
| infinity | For a variety of reasons, from "some of it may get them in hot water" to "lots of it is crap". | 01:58 |
| linux_mafia | heh, i notice they keep well away from the vid/dvd stuff though, christian marillats little domain, i guess the RIAA always shoots to kill | 01:58 |
| wasabi_ | marillat is in france i believe. | 01:59 |
| infinity | s/RIAA/MPAA/ | 02:00 |
| wasabi_ | i think | 02:00 |
| wasabi_ | thought. | 02:00 |
| infinity | And I wouldn't say Debian stays "right away from it"... | 02:00 |
| linux_mafia | infinity, yes sorry, thanks for correction | 02:00 |
| infinity | There are plenty of patent-encumbered MPEG decoders in an around Debian. | 02:00 |
| infinity | About the only thing missingis DeCSS. | 02:01 |
| infinity | And mplyer, but that has more to do with it having been a license nightmare for ages. | 02:01 |
| linux_mafia | infinity, actually youre right now you made me think a bit deeper about it, i guess i only think about the apps i use | 02:02 |
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| mxpxpod | how do I go about making kernel-header packages that aren't empty? | 02:08 |
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| wasabi_ | make-kpkg kernel_headers not working? | 02:19 |
| mxpxpod | wasabi_: it's giving me /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.9-blah with only makefiles in the directory | 02:20 |
| wasabi_ | that sucks. ;) | 02:20 |
| wasabi_ | i haven't tried it in a long time, since Debian. | 02:20 |
| mxpxpod | wasabi_: do you make your own kernel-image .debs? | 02:21 |
| wasabi_ | Since Ubuntu I haven't. | 02:21 |
| wasabi_ | I think I got over it. | 02:22 |
| linux_mafia | mxpxpod, i do, whys that? | 02:22 |
| mxpxpod | linux_mafia: why's what? | 02:22 |
| infinity | mxpxpod : Are you doing it in the same invocation? | 02:22 |
| mxpxpod | infinity: yes | 02:22 |
| infinity | mxpxpod : make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers? | 02:22 |
| mxpxpod | infinity: yup | 02:22 |
| linux_mafia | mxpxpod, i thought you were gonna ask a question about making kernel-image debs | 02:22 |
| mxpxpod | infinity: well, I add a --append-to-version in there | 02:23 |
| infinity | What version of kernel-package do you have? | 02:24 |
| mxpxpod | 8.114ubuntu1 | 02:25 |
| infinity | Doubly weird. I have no problems with an essentially identical Debian version. | 02:25 |
| mxpxpod | infinity: so, you do it in the same invocation as well? | 02:26 |
| infinity | <nod> | 02:26 |
| mxpxpod | welp, I gotta get going | 02:28 |
| mxpxpod | I'll try doing this again (maybe I screwed something up) and see what I come up with | 02:28 |
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| diego | hi all | 06:23 |
| diego | what is being done to shorten boot times? | 06:23 |
| Treenaks | `qlots of things | 06:28 |
| diego | that's good...is there a page documenting the procedures being carried out? | 06:30 |
| Treenaks | uh | 06:31 |
| Treenaks | don't know | 06:31 |
| Treenaks | you should ask here in ~ 2.5 hours, when everyone on the conference wakes up | 06:31 |
| diego | conference? | 06:32 |
| Treenaks | thare's a conference going on in Mataro, Spain | 06:32 |
| Treenaks | with lots of Ubuntu developers | 06:32 |
| diego | oh right, right, i'll be sure to stick around then. thanks | 06:33 |
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| ironwolf | lamont_r? you awake yet? | 07:16 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu development -- ARE WE NEARLY THERE YET? -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Want to help Hoary? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | Mataro server is mataro.ubuntu.com - local mirror, smtp smarthost, squid on 3128 | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by elmo at Sat Dec 11 23:35:38 2004 | ||
| === #ubuntu-devel [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | ||
| diego | good morning fabbione | 08:51 |
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| daniels | mjg59: interesting, bob2 is seeing roughly the same thing | 09:09 |
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| elmo | doko: a whole bunch got rejected - I assume you saw that? | 09:37 |
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| Keybuk | Warning: Permanently added 'arch.netsplit.com' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. | 09:43 |
| Keybuk | ...why is that a Warning? I just typed "yes" | 09:43 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: you should've answered 'maybe' | 09:44 |
| Keybuk | n..no...no...no...no...no...n..no..Yes. | 09:45 |
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| Keybuk | Nothing like changing the byte order of structure fields to really drive the "out-of-tree" driver writers crazy. I like it :) | 10:06 |
| Keybuk | -- Greg Kroah-Hartman | 10:06 |
| Keybuk | *snigger* | 10:06 |
| Treenaks | 8) | 10:06 |
| fabbione | mdz: you here? | 10:07 |
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| Kamion | jdub: I wouldn't be so opposed to using python-udeb for individual UIs for modules that run after anna; that would only kill lowmem, and they can use newt or whatever | 10:27 |
| Kamion | jdub: python-udeb in the initrd I think is totally wrong. | 10:27 |
| Kamion | I suspect that may have been what joeyh was thinking of, but I'll have to talk with him | 10:27 |
| Kamion | however, that would mean adding cdebconf bindings to python | 10:28 |
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| pitti | lifeless: btw, fixing pmount just for vfat is trivially easy, without changing umasks for CD-ROM etc. | 10:55 |
| lifeless | cool! | 10:56 |
| pitti | lifeless: I have to do some security stuff before, then I can do this | 10:57 |
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| seb128 | BONG, this discussion on the filenames translations in GNOME is endless | 11:12 |
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| ross | "lets stop this endless discussion, ok?" | 11:13 |
| ross | "sure, but..." | 11:13 |
| sjoerd | seb128: your actually reading it ? | 11:13 |
| seb128 | no, I've some real stuff to do actually :p | 11:14 |
| sjoerd | ;) | 11:14 |
| fabbione | pitti: -8 will have SELINUX compiled but disabled as we discussed yesterday | 11:22 |
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| pitti | fabbione: cool | 11:30 |
| elmo | uh, shouldn't we drop support for like 2.1 by now? | 11:37 |
| jdub | daniels: come upstairs :) | 11:37 |
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| elmo | if 2.4 is going to be the default | 11:37 |
| jdub | Keybuk: tell daniels to come upstairds | 11:37 |
| mdz | QualityAssuranceAndTesting BOF is starting upstairs NOW | 11:37 |
| Treenaks | /topic DANIELS, COME UPSTAIRS | 11:37 |
| Kamion | dists/hoary/restricted/binary-sparc/Packages.gz | 11:38 |
| Kamion | oops | 11:39 |
| Kamion | http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-hoary-output/rdepends/python2.1/python2.1 | 11:39 |
| Kamion | elmo: ^-- | 11:39 |
| elmo | yeah, but most of those are surely because of 2.1 variants of other modules? | 11:41 |
| Kamion | build-depends sure, not convinced about the depends though | 11:41 |
| Kamion | pychecker's is an alternative dependency, python2.1 not default | 11:42 |
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| Kamion | so yeah, probably correct | 11:42 |
| elmo | [and while we're at it, why not 2.2 too :p] | 11:43 |
| Kamion | interesting, if I experimentally add universe to the list of components for germinating debootstrap, it wants to add dialog to base | 11:44 |
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| Keybuk | lamont: how do I configure postfix to use a smarthost over tls with smtp authentication | 12:01 |
| Treenaks | lamont: please tell me the exact same thing :) | 12:03 |
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| Kinnison | seb128: evolution's packaging... how do I easily edit a single patch? | 12:09 |
| lamont_r | Keybuk: you see the bts for postfix-tls and find the howto that's in one of those... it's a hoary thing I haven't done yet... | 12:09 |
| seb128 | Kinnison, cdbs, patches are in debian/patches in standard diff format | 12:12 |
| seb128 | so trivial I would say | 12:12 |
| azeem | seb128: how do you edit patches with cdbs' simple-patchsys? | 12:13 |
| azeem | with vi? | 12:13 |
| Kinnison | seb128: okay; give me the process for editing the 02 patch | 12:23 |
| daniels | azeem: badly | 12:23 |
| azeem | anybody using quilt for this stuff? | 12:24 |
| seb128 | azeem, tar xzf *.orig.tar.gz && cp -af dir dir.org && cd dir && patch && cd .. && diff | 12:25 |
| azeem | yeah | 12:26 |
| azeem | seb128: dude, this is almost 2005 :P | 12:26 |
| seb128 | and ? | 12:26 |
| seb128 | I almost never edit patches | 12:27 |
| seb128 | I get them from bugzilla, or work with the CVS and cvs diff | 12:27 |
| thom | huh? seriously? | 12:27 |
| thom | dear god. | 12:27 |
| azeem | then you don't need quilt, and simple-patchsys is good enough | 12:27 |
| seb128 | and I just need to cp the diff in debian/patches | 12:27 |
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| daniels | thomit's the only sane way to work with simple-patchsys | 12:27 |
| daniels | it is SO BROKEN | 12:27 |
| azeem | thom: cdbs can also use dpatch and quilt, besides its own simple-patchsys | 12:27 |
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| thom | azeem: i know | 12:27 |
| seb128 | thom, I edit the sources and diff on the source control system (cvs, svn, tla, ...) | 12:27 |
| daniels | dpatch is love | 12:28 |
| fabbione | daniels: why don't you switch X to dpatch? | 12:28 |
| seb128 | daniels, you are the broken one dude | 12:28 |
| daniels | fabbione: stfu noob hth hand kthxbye | 12:29 |
| fabbione | daniels: uha uha uha | 12:29 |
| daniels | seb128: simple-patchsys doesn't scale to x, therefore it sucks :P | 12:29 |
| fabbione | doko: in your python upload orgy you forgot pyopengl | 12:29 |
| fabbione | at least that i can see | 12:30 |
| azeem | daniels: did you look at quilt? | 12:30 |
| daniels | azeem: yes | 12:30 |
| azeem | and? | 12:30 |
| daniels | it's quilt | 12:30 |
| azeem | I only looked at it briefly, and would like to know other people's opinions | 12:30 |
| azeem | aha | 12:30 |
| thom | subversion notably uses cdbs and quilt | 12:31 |
| thom | it looked like bad, bad crack to me | 12:31 |
| seb128 | daniels, right :) | 12:31 |
| bob2 | what should be saving my mixer settings over reboots? | 12:32 |
| bob2 | (ie where should I file a bug when it doesn't ;) | 12:32 |
| thom | alsa | 12:32 |
| daniels | alsa-bsae | 12:33 |
| daniels | base | 12:33 |
| Kinnison | seb128: ye gods; that's vile | 12:34 |
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| pitti | Keybuk: what about using procmail for local mail delivery? | 12:48 |
| thom | pitti: why? | 12:49 |
| pitti | thom: Keybuk's mail on u-devel | 12:50 |
| pitti | thom: kicking postfix | 12:50 |
| thom | no, why would you use procmail? | 12:50 |
| thom | i know the context | 12:50 |
| daniels | procmail is love | 12:50 |
| jamesh | procmail is worse than perl. | 12:51 |
| pitti | thom: it should reasonably act as a local MTA | 12:51 |
| pitti | thom: or does it not? | 12:51 |
| thom | pitti: but oh, the complexity! | 12:51 |
| thom | pitti: that's just replacing one horror show with a different one | 12:51 |
| pitti | thom: do you know something simpler? | 12:51 |
| thom | pitti: the suggestion is that we write a minimal one in python, according to scott's spec or the discussion thereof | 12:52 |
| pitti | thom: the suggestion was "unless there is something that already does this" | 12:52 |
| pitti | thom: I could not find one, though | 12:53 |
| pitti | thom: so rewriting one could be an option | 12:53 |
| pitti | thom: s/re// | 12:53 |
| thom | pitti: i think that if the choice is procmail or nothing, nothing wins | 12:53 |
| pitti | thom: then this basically means rewriting procmail in python, then? | 12:54 |
| jamesh | it should implement the sieve mail filtering spec | 12:54 |
| jamesh | since that has an RFC | 12:54 |
| jamesh | (and sieve scripts are actually readable) | 12:54 |
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| pitti | jamesh: can't we at least use sieve and/or procmail as a "backend"? | 12:56 |
| pitti | thom: ^ | 12:56 |
| pitti | then we only need a root daemon which calls procmail/sieve/whatever as the target user | 12:57 |
| elmo | pitti: dude, have you read the procmail source code? | 12:57 |
| pitti | elmo: yes, it's crap | 12:57 |
| elmo | that's insulting to crap | 12:57 |
| pitti | ;-) | 12:58 |
| jamesh | there is a sieve library implementation in Cyrus | 12:58 |
| pitti | jamesh: what about the one in mailutils? | 12:58 |
| daniels | root daemon + procmail == whoops | 12:58 |
| pitti | daniels: ? | 12:58 |
| jamesh | pitti: it has a sieve impl? | 12:58 |
| pitti | jamesh: " sieve -- a mail filtering tool." | 12:58 |
| pitti | jamesh: ^ from the package description | 12:58 |
| pitti | jamesh: I don't know it, though | 12:58 |
| pitti | OTOH: for local-only delivery, we don't really need mail filtering | 12:59 |
| thom | pitti: indeed | 12:59 |
| pitti | evo etc. can do it on their own | 12:59 |
| thom | pitti: if you need that, use postfix | 12:59 |
| pitti | so basically, we only need a setgid mail daemon which appends the mails in /var/mail/$user? | 12:59 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 01:00 |
| pitti | this should indeed be easy | 01:00 |
| Keybuk | took me only about 10m to implement ... :p | 01:00 |
| Keybuk | . o O ( always implement the proposed spec before sending it :p ) | 01:00 |
| lamont_r | Keybuk: your points 5-7 are incorrect... | 01:00 |
| Keybuk | lamont_r: no they are not | 01:01 |
| lamont_r | listens on 127.0.0.1 | 01:01 |
| lamont_r | and ::1 | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | doesn't | 01:01 |
| lamont_r | beg to differ. | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN | 01:01 |
| pitti | tcp 0 0 localhost.localdom:smtp *:* LISTEN 4065/master | 01:01 |
| Treenaks | postfix listens on localhost -> master.cf to fix that | 01:01 |
| pitti | ^ default config | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | syndicate scott% sudo lsof -i :25 | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | master 10807 root 11u IPv6 85850 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | master 10807 root 12u IPv4 85851 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) | 01:01 |
| lamont_r | Keybuk: you changed your config, or had previously installed postfix from debian | 01:01 |
| Keybuk | lamont_r: neither. fresh install _yesterday_ | 01:01 |
| daniels | daniels@catsby:~/canonical/xorg/arch/pristine/xorg-6.8.1/build-tree/xc/fonts/bdf/75dpi% netstat -an | grep 25 | 01:02 |
| daniels | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN | 01:02 |
| daniels | tcp6 0 0 ::1:25 :::* LISTEN | 01:02 |
| jamesh | pitti: I wonder if it uses the same implementation? | 01:02 |
| pitti | hmm, my config is still from warty | 01:02 |
| === lamont_r actually looks | ||
| pitti | jamesh: as I said, I have no idea | 01:02 |
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| sid77 | hi | 01:02 |
| pitti | Keybuk: my master.cf says: | 01:03 |
| pitti | 127.0.0.1:smtp inet n - - - - smtpd | 01:03 |
| pitti | ::1:smtp inet n - - - - smtpd | 01:03 |
| pitti | Keybuk: is that different from yours? | 01:03 |
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| pitti | Keybuk: if so, then probably a patch got lost during the merge | 01:04 |
| Keybuk | entirely like;y | 01:04 |
| Keybuk | smtp inet n - - - - smtpd | 01:04 |
| pitti | argh | 01:04 |
| lamont_r | pitti: I'll get that fixed | 01:04 |
| pitti | lamont_r: is it possible that this "localhost only" patch got lost during merge? | 01:04 |
| lamont_r | Keybuk: your proposed daemon - support for .forward files? delivery to commands? Those both render the problem into a can of worms | 01:06 |
| Keybuk | if users want that functionality, they can install a proper MDA | 01:07 |
| lamont_r | keybuk: is there a bug in bz for the bad default? | 01:08 |
| Keybuk | bz? | 01:08 |
| pitti | bugzilla? | 01:08 |
| lamont_r | bugzilla. | 01:08 |
| === lamont_r uploads a new postfix. :-( | ||
| lamont_r | then I get to track down the config template change dropage | 01:09 |
| lamont_r | was introduced in 2.1.5-1ubuntu1 in hoary | 01:10 |
| lamont_r | on oct 30. Any fresh install since then listens on *:25, and will until postfix is purged/installed, or the config is edited. | 01:12 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Can you try http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3909 at some point? | 01:12 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: ooh, sure -- gimme an hour or two to finish playing smtpd | 01:13 |
| lamont_r | Keybuk: your proposed damon, 3 requires configuration - guessing doesn't work. 4 requires a full featured MTA, pretty much | 01:13 |
| Keybuk | disagree | 01:13 |
| Simira | you guys are working to hard! I can't keep up with the mailing-lists! | 01:14 |
| Treenaks | Simira: dont subscribe to hoary-changes ;) | 01:15 |
| Simira | Treenaks: I'm not. | 01:15 |
| Treenaks | Simira: THAT one's busy :) | 01:15 |
| Simira | though I consider update my server to hoary, as my sound don't work | 01:15 |
| Simira | Treenaks: I'm not on that OR users | 01:15 |
| pitti | lamont_r: is it now "postfixitagain"? | 01:16 |
| fabbione | doko: mind to check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=278449 ? | 01:19 |
| fabbione | doko: perhaps you have an idea of a fix | 01:19 |
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| trukulo | fabbione, chronicles about the conference, in spanish in my web | 01:22 |
| fabbione | hey trukulo ! | 01:23 |
| fabbione | url? | 01:23 |
| trukulo | http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/79/ <- only spanish , sorry | 01:24 |
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| seb128 | doko, | 01:31 |
| seb128 | Dpaquetage de python2.4-twisted ( partir de .../python2.4-twisted_1.3.0-4ubuntu1_all.deb) ... | 01:31 |
| seb128 | dpkg: erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-twisted_1.3.0-4ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack): | 01:31 |
| seb128 | tentative de remplacement de /usr/share/man/man1/im.1.gz, qui appartient aussi au paquet python2.3-twisted | 01:31 |
| moquist | I'm interested in working on an LTSP .deb for Ubuntu. Anybody know if that's already happening? | 01:38 |
| moquist | Also, I'm coming from the Gentoo world (and I've never used Debian); are there virtual deps I need to know about when filling out Depends:, or can I just list packages by name? | 01:39 |
| thom | moquist: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-virtual_pkg | 01:42 |
| moquist | thom: cool; thx! | 01:43 |
| thom | np | 01:43 |
| trukulo | fabbione, r u awake, there, and have 5 minutes? | 01:48 |
| sladen | did anyone get a "vegetarian" death-wish that didn't contain "salmon" ? | 01:48 |
| daniels | sladen: kinnison did, and palmed it off | 01:49 |
| sladen | Keybuk: did you manage get anything without fish in exchange? | 01:50 |
| fabbione | trukulo: i am awake of course.. i need 5 minutes before i have 5 minutes completely free... (smoking break) | 01:52 |
| trukulo | you have them | 01:52 |
| trukulo | :) | 01:52 |
| fabbione | ;) | 01:52 |
| fabbione | trukulo | 01:55 |
| fabbione | e | 01:55 |
| fabbione | re | 01:55 |
| trukulo | ok, query please | 01:55 |
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| bob2 | anyone noticed if usb-storage is significantly unfucked in the latest 2.6.9 kernels? | 02:04 |
| Treenaks | bob2: the weird ub driver got ditched | 02:04 |
| Treenaks | bob2: so it should work like it did in 2.6.8.1 | 02:04 |
| bob2 | oh, rock | 02:05 |
| bob2 | now to just find my usb key | 02:05 |
| bob2 | and camera cable | 02:05 |
| === Treenaks is going to haxx0r the quickcam driver tonight... | ||
| Treenaks | stupid logitech | 02:05 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: what's the current state of postgres 8? | 02:37 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: test suite fails for beta4; I did not try RC1 yet | 02:37 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: http://www.postgresql.org/news/253.html :) | 02:37 |
| Mithrandir | Treenaks: I was more interested in the current state of it in ubuntu/debian | 02:37 |
| Mithrandir | I know the upstream state. | 02:38 |
| Treenaks | will it upgrade cleanly? :) | 02:38 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: it's still 7.4.6, and this is not going to change for Sarge | 02:38 |
| Treenaks | (unlike the 6.x->7.0->7.1->7.2->7.3->7.4 breakages) | 02:38 |
| sladen | Kinnison: dude, signkeys build chokes on noodles' keydb_db4.c | 02:38 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: if we need an 8.0 package in Ubuntu, then I can package it | 02:38 |
| Mithrandir | true, but there has been talk of putting one in experimental | 02:38 |
| === rasputin_ is now known as Burgundavia | ||
| pitti | Mithrandir: Oliver Elphick started repackaging it for the new multiversion architecture | 02:39 |
| === Burgundavia is now known as Burgundavia_ | ||
| pitti | Mithrandir: he did not report back so far :-( | 02:39 |
| Treenaks | Oliver Elphick should not be let close to pg8! | 02:39 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: but I will ping him, maybe I can finish the packaging | 02:39 |
| pitti | Treenaks: ? | 02:40 |
| Treenaks | pitti: afaik, he broke the upgrade scripts for the older postgresql series migrations | 02:40 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: ok | 02:40 |
| Treenaks | pitti: and didn't accept patches | 02:40 |
| pitti | Treenaks: the whole concept of the current upgrading is brokebn | 02:40 |
| pitti | Treenaks: patches do not help there any more | 02:40 |
| pitti | Treenaks: I rewrote half of the scripts, it got a bit better | 02:41 |
| pitti | Treenaks: but this does not help for woody upgrades since they still use the maitnainer scripts from 7.2 | 02:41 |
| Treenaks | pitti: I'm on sarge, does that help? | 02:41 |
| pitti | Treenaks: that's why I persuaded him of complete repackaging | 02:41 |
| pitti | Treenaks: if you already run 7.4, then you are fine | 02:42 |
| Treenaks | pitti: OK :) | 02:42 |
| pitti | Treenaks: I write him a mail now | 02:42 |
| Kinnison | sladen: try ./configure --with-backend=fs or whatever it's called | 02:42 |
| daniels | 70025 debian/patches/000_stolen_from_6.8_branch.diff | 02:48 |
| daniels | 111987 total | 02:48 |
| bob2 | Updating OpenOffice.org's dictionary list... done. | 02:48 |
| bob2 | [Invalid UTF-8] Could not parse file '/usr/share/applications/ooo645calc.desktop': desktop entry contain line 'Comment[ca] =Fulla de c\xc3| lcul d'OpenOffice.org' which is not UTF-8 | 02:48 |
| daniels | mua ha ha | 02:48 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: known issue | 02:48 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: what, that we have a lot of patches? | 02:48 |
| Mithrandir | uhm | 02:48 |
| Mithrandir | s/daniels/bob2/ | 02:48 |
| bob2 | ah | 02:48 |
| lupus_ | Unpacking python2.4-twisted (from .../python2.4-twisted_1.3.0-4ubuntu1_all.deb) ... | 02:51 |
| lupus_ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-twisted_1.3.0-4ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack): | 02:51 |
| lupus_ | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/im.1.gz', which is also in package python2.3-twisted | 02:51 |
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| fabbione | please stop pasting errors here | 02:52 |
| fabbione | it is a known problem | 02:52 |
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| pitti | mdz: got a minute? | 02:56 |
| sladen | Kinnison: "# This is your name / primary UID or whatever" <-- signee or singer? | 03:00 |
| mooch | daniels: dstone? | 03:00 |
| Kinnison | sladen signuid's encrypted content? signee | 03:01 |
| daniels | mooch: yeha | 03:02 |
| daniels | yeah, even | 03:02 |
| mooch | daniels: just funny that you noticed about the nokia possition | 03:03 |
| ross | hi mooch | 03:07 |
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| sid77 | I've noticed that apt-get do 101 http get per tcp connection (or something similar), is there a way to modify this value? | 03:15 |
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| sivang | You don't have permission to access / on this server." | 03:26 |
| Treenaks | sivang: what server | 03:26 |
| sivang | Treenaks : no sorry, this was meant to go private to someone..:) | 03:26 |
| moquist | Magnus just asked the ubuntu-devel list, but I'm less patient. :) Is this the place for aspiring devs to ask questions about package creation and testing, or is there another place to ask that stuff? Wiki page, perhaps? | 03:36 |
| thom | moquist: here. | 03:43 |
| jdub_ | $ sudo /etc/init.d/readahead_early restart | 03:43 |
| jdub_ | * Reading essential files... | 03:43 |
| jdub_ | cat: /etc/readahead/earlyfiles: No such file or directory | 03:43 |
| jdub_ | ...done. | 03:43 |
| jdub_ | 03:43 | |
| jdub_ | thom: needs a shutdown to have earlyfiles? | 03:43 |
| jdub_ | thom: (shouldn't it be in /var?) | 03:44 |
| thom | no, readahead_early is irrelevant and not in your startup anymore | 03:44 |
| moquist | thom: k; thx. In that case, what is the recommended testing method for new .deb files? AFAICT I can't use 'apt-get' because my .deb isn't in any sources list. But I want to make sure I've covered all the deps, so dpkg -i appears to be insufficient. | 03:44 |
| jdub_ | thom: i just upgraded and /etc/init.d/readahead said that :) | 03:44 |
| ross | moquist: create a local repository? | 03:44 |
| thom | no, you just pasted readahead_early, not readahed | 03:44 |
| thom | readahead | 03:44 |
| jdub_ | oh yeah | 03:45 |
| jdub_ | and yet, it is still there | 03:45 |
| thom | in rcS? | 03:45 |
| moquist | ross: ok. I wondered if that would be the answer, but didn't want to take off making things harder than they need to be (if indeed this is hard at all - I have no idea.) | 03:45 |
| thom | moquist: use apt-ftparchive to create an archive, it's really easy | 03:46 |
| jdub_ | thom: no, but the initscript is there | 03:46 |
| thom | moquist: really, you ought to have at least a quick read of the debian NM guide. :-) | 03:46 |
| thom | jdub_: *shrug* | 03:46 |
| thom | jdub_: it'll go away if you purge, otherwise it does nothing | 03:46 |
| jdub_ | still there after purge | 03:47 |
| thom | file a bug, severity trivial. it's cosmetic issue that mostpeople won't even see | 03:48 |
| jdub_ | i have eyes in the back of my /etc/init.d directory | 03:49 |
| moquist | thom: k. i've been looking at the Debian Policy Manual, but the NM list/guide/corner looks quite helpful. | 03:49 |
| thom | moquist: it definitely is | 03:49 |
| moquist | anybody know if there are plans for an 'ubuntu-mentors' mailing list ever? | 03:50 |
| jdub_ | moquist: yeah, potentially in the new year | 03:56 |
| moquist | jdub_: cool. that will be good. | 03:57 |
| Keybuk | [ #Broken: 37 ] ... Impressive. | 03:59 |
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| thom | Keybuk: eh? | 04:00 |
| Keybuk | 37 uninstallable packages currently | 04:01 |
| Kamion | 68 on i386 in main | 04:03 |
| Kamion | mostly python, doko's going to be looking at it | 04:04 |
| Keybuk | yeah, sadly "world" Depends: python these days | 04:07 |
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| sivang | moquist : you can try use the debian-mentors list at the moment, and contact ChrisH about it - he's the project ownder for debian mentors, most of the stuff are similar in packaging so you could get a good start. | 04:19 |
| pitti | Hi sivang! | 04:20 |
| moquist | sivang: thanks! | 04:20 |
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| === lamont__r larts daniels | ||
| lamont__r | why did my mouse,and then keyboard go away, huh? | 04:21 |
| sivang | moquist : by the way he's a close freind of mine, so you can tell him I've sent you and you can join the #ubuntu-doc channel as he's also a memeber of ubuntu doc team :) | 04:22 |
| sivang | pitti : Hi marin! | 04:22 |
| sivang | pitti : Hi martin! | 04:22 |
| sivang | pitti : ENjoying the conference? | 04:22 |
| `anthony | can whoever has a laptop in the BOF room that will talk to the projector please grab http://www.interlink.com.au/anthony/tech/talks/Ubuntu/python-ubuntu.sxi | 04:22 |
| daniels | lamont__r: it's a gtk bug | 04:22 |
| lamont__r | grumble | 04:23 |
| === seb128 kicks daniels | ||
| lamont__r | seb128: fix it. kthxbye | 04:23 |
| mdz | pitti: yes | 04:24 |
| pitti | mdz: "yes" to what? | 04:24 |
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| Keybuk | this is just begging for FIGLET ... | 04:30 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: who are you? GMAIL? | 04:30 |
| Keybuk | Treenaks: you are LIVE in the BOF room ... | 04:30 |
| daniels | HELLO BOF ROOM | 04:30 |
| === Treenaks waves to the BOF attendees | ||
| Kamion | __ _____ _ _ ___ __ __ _ _ __ __ | 04:31 |
| Kamion | \ \ / / _ \| | | | _ \ | \/ | | | | \/ | | 04:31 |
| Kamion | \ V / (_) | |_| | / | |\/| | |_| | |\/| | | 04:31 |
| Kamion | |_| \___/ \___/|_|_\ |_| |_|\___/|_| |_| | 04:31 |
| Burgundavia_ | regarding rosetta, it might be good if as the package is uploaded, you could have optionbox for the original language of the program, thus you wouldn;t have wierdness like gconf-editor saying it is not in English | 04:31 |
| jdub_ | /bin/sh: 3: No such file or directory | 04:32 |
| jdub_ | /bin/sh: 3: No such file or directory | 04:33 |
| `anthony | Python BOF starting in a couple of minutes. | 04:33 |
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| Treenaks | go jdub_, go jdub_ | 04:33 |
| jdub_ | haha | 04:33 |
| jdub_ | ___ _ _____ _____ _ _ ___ _ _ _ _ _____ _ _ | 04:33 |
| jdub_ | |_ _| | | / _ \ \ / / __| | | | | _ ) | | | \| |_ _| | | | | 04:33 |
| jdub_ | | | | |_| (_) \ V /| _| | |_| | _ \ |_| | .` | | | | |_| | | 04:33 |
| jdub_ | |___| |____\___/ \_/ |___| \___/|___/\___/|_|\_| |_| \___/ | 04:33 |
| jdub_ | 04:33 | |
| daniels | (developers! developers! developers! developers!) | 04:34 |
| sid77 | o_O | 04:34 |
| === maswan waves a bit | ||
| daniels | _ _ | 04:34 |
| daniels | _ __ ___ _ __ | |_| |__ ___ _ _ | 04:34 |
| daniels | | '__/ _ \ '_ \| __| '_ \ / _ \| | | | | 04:34 |
| daniels | | | | __/ | | | |_| |_) | (_) | |_| |_ | 04:34 |
| daniels | |_| \___|_| |_|\__|_.__/ \___/ \__, (_) | 04:34 |
| daniels | |___/ | 04:34 |
| lamont__r | jdub_: proportinal fonts can suck | 04:34 |
| Burgundavia_ | daniels, you missed about 15 developers | 04:35 |
| daniels | Burgundavia_: the ubuntu developer base isn't actually 20, i don't think | 04:35 |
| Burgundavia_ | no, i was refering to the rant from ballmer | 04:36 |
| daniels | ah | 04:36 |
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| sivang | are we online a BOF room's LCD? | 04:49 |
| sivang | jdub : when is the first Ubuntu love day ? :)) | 04:49 |
| jdub_ | sivang: january | 04:49 |
| jdub_ | sivang: not on the bof screen atm | 04:49 |
| Treenaks | Ubuntu love day? | 04:49 |
| Keybuk | Burgundavia_: rant? ballmer? | 04:50 |
| jdub_ | fun for bug hunters, new maintainers, etc. | 04:51 |
| sivang | Treenaks : go to irc.gimp.net, join #gnome-love :) | 04:51 |
| === sivang always knew the ubuntu is going to follow the gnome love tradition :) | ||
| Keybuk | ubuntu love involves groups of threes though | 04:52 |
| Keybuk | much more fun | 04:52 |
| ross | rofl | 04:52 |
| ross | the ubuntu love circle | 04:52 |
| ross | ewww, bad bad thoughts | 04:52 |
| Burgundavia_ | ttp://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg | 04:55 |
| sivang | and they need to be from at least three different places in the world :) | 04:57 |
| bob2 | SPECIAL | 05:15 |
| pitti | elmo: around somewhere? | 05:16 |
| === thom donates a new set of eyeballs to pitti | ||
| pitti | elmo: I sent you a mail with the exception | 05:22 |
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| Keybuk | * gimp-python depends on python (< 2.4) | 05:44 |
| Keybuk | d'oh | 05:44 |
| Keybuk | * python-twisted depends on python (< 2.4) | 05:44 |
| Kinnison | oops | 05:44 |
| === Keybuk scraps the "seb128 broke my gnome-panel" t-shirt order and gets "doko broke my upgrade" instead :p | ||
| Kinnison | "Matthias Klose stole my apt-get upgrade" | 05:49 |
| === seb128 still wants a "No, I will *not* fix your panel" t-shirt! | ||
| daniels | i want 'it's a bug in gtk' t-shirt | 05:50 |
| Keybuk | "iz gtk bug" | 05:50 |
| Kinnison | nonono | 05:50 |
| daniels | '(*) Reassign to [seb128@canonical.com] ' | 05:50 |
| Kinnison | gtk_bug_set_assignment (GTK_BUG(foobar), GTK_BUG_OWNER_SEB128); | 05:51 |
| elmo | pitti: okay, I've applied the mother of all disgusting hacky crap workarounds - please try amber again ? | 05:55 |
| pitti | elmo: sure | 05:56 |
| pitti | d'oh | 05:57 |
| pitti | elmo: now I get a different exception | 05:57 |
| sivang | people, what is DOAP? :) I don't recall antyhing about it on the morning sessions..:) | 05:57 |
| thom | description of a project | 05:58 |
| sivang | thom : nothing more? nothing related to bug tracking and/or revision control? | 05:58 |
| jdub_ | sivang: google for it, you will end up at usefulinc | 06:05 |
| ross | doap rules | 06:05 |
| ross | jdub_: did i mention that burtonini serves doap files from inside the blog tree? | 06:05 |
| ross | with a l33t pyblosxom plugin | 06:05 |
| daniels | ill | 06:06 |
| ross | which i'll sell to canonical for... a million dollars | 06:06 |
| jdub_ | ross: rad! | 06:06 |
| jdub_ | haha | 06:06 |
| sivang | jdub_ : where there an official announcment regarding it? | 06:06 |
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| jdub_ | sivang: it's not really an announcing kind of thing | 06:07 |
| sivang | jdub_ : ah ok then :) how is your leg btw? | 06:07 |
| ross | i hope eugenia does switch to doap | 06:07 |
| jdub_ | sivang: it's just a standard | 06:07 |
| jdub_ | sivang: good, the drugs *do* work | 06:07 |
| Keybuk | http://www.cafepress.com/keybuk | 06:08 |
| sivang | jdub_ : ah nice to hear, have you been to barcelona some more times since our last trip there? :) any nice photos? | 06:08 |
| ross | oh oh i want seb to break my panel so i can wear cheap tat | 06:09 |
| sivang | jdub_ : oh like SOAP :) silly me.. | 06:10 |
| robtaylor | hey.. whats the name of the guy working on baz-ng? | 06:12 |
| Keybuk | Martin Pool | 06:13 |
| robtaylor | is his proposal written up anywhere? | 06:13 |
| Keybuk | no ide | 06:13 |
| robtaylor | ah well =) | 06:13 |
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| === Keybuk adds an even sillier t-shirt | ||
| ross | ha | 06:16 |
| doko | keybuk: at least for gimp-python I'd like to pass the t-shirt to lamont_r :-p | 06:16 |
| ross | Keybuk: you've got to add a cockfosters tee | 06:16 |
| Keybuk | OMG! HOW DID I FORGET THAT?! | 06:16 |
| ross | "I Opened A Cafepress Store And Forgot To Do A Cockfosters Shirt" | 06:17 |
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| daniels | Keybuk: don't forget the 'Is that in the midlands?' shirt | 06:21 |
| ross | am i allowed to chop the ubuntu logo up? i.e. just have the circle? | 06:24 |
| ross | or will sabdfl kick my arse? | 06:24 |
| jdub_ | ross: send a trademark request to info | 06:25 |
| jamesh | seb128: jrb says he's rolling a gnome-control-center tarball | 06:25 |
| seb128 | ok ... | 06:25 |
| jdub_ | ross: it's unlikely that you'd be allowed, though | 06:26 |
| ross | bah | 06:27 |
| ross | oh oh, prior usage | 06:27 |
| ross | the web site favicon is the circle on it's own | 06:27 |
| jdub_ | not on ubuntu | 06:28 |
| jdub_ | canonical logo is a very similar circle (reversed) without the dots | 06:28 |
| ross | ubuntu.com has a favicon, which is the circle on a white bg, for me | 06:29 |
| jamesh | also, an third party wanting to chop up the logo is a bit different from Canonical producing derivatives | 06:29 |
| ross | jamesh: in that case canonical should do the t-shirt design i want :) | 06:29 |
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| jamesh | ross: submit your idea to info@ then :) | 06:30 |
| jdub_ | ross: send the design, we're going to have a competition anyway | 06:30 |
| jdub_ | (the favicon totally has circles on it) | 06:30 |
| jamesh | jdub_: I think ross was talking about "just the circles" as "without the text" | 06:30 |
| ross | yeah | 06:31 |
| ross | jdub_: info@ubuntu.com? | 06:31 |
| jdub_ | ross: jeff.waugh@canonical.com | 06:31 |
| jdub_ | i don't get info | 06:31 |
| Keybuk | elmo: just for you ... http://www.cafepress.com/keybuk.15390259 | 06:50 |
| Kinnison | seb128: Would you prefer a new patch file, or an interdiff of the two packages for this replacement buttons diff? | 06:54 |
| seb128 | new patch | 06:54 |
| Kinnison | okay | 06:55 |
| === Kinnison is just doing a full build to test | ||
| seb128 | Kinnison, feel free to upload if you want :) | 06:56 |
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| Kinnison | seb128: I'm not in the keyring | 06:58 |
| Kinnison | seb128: And I like it that way | 06:58 |
| seb128 | Kinnison, ok, fine | 07:00 |
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| ross | jdub_: cafepress.com/burtonini | 07:03 |
| daniels | heh! | 07:04 |
| daniels | Earnings & Sales | 07:05 |
| daniels | Potential commission: $0.00 | 07:05 |
| daniels | ($0.00 cleared, $0.00 pending) | 07:05 |
| daniels | YOU BASTARDS. | 07:05 |
| ross | do you have tat too? | 07:05 |
| daniels | yep | 07:06 |
| ross | oh oh oh | 07:07 |
| ross | i presume it's not /daniels | 07:07 |
| Keybuk | not unless he has hidden talents | 07:08 |
| daniels | ross: keep on guessing | 07:08 |
| thom | fooishbar | 07:08 |
| daniels | THOM WINS | 07:08 |
| ross | that was my next guess | 07:08 |
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| azeem | lamont_r: can't you take out those uint16_t fixes from 50hurd.dpatch into a seperate patch at least? They look pretty generic to me and would cut down the size of the patch a fair bit | 07:14 |
| lamont_r | the hurd patch needs to come in as a collection of smaller patches... upstream considers them gratuitous changes, near as I can tell. | 07:16 |
| lamont_r | and 2.12l-1 added even more stuff to 50hurd.dpatch. :-( | 07:16 |
| lamont_r | like 90% of the agetty changes (leaving a comment and a couple includes there from my hacking, and removing all of the termio->termios change) | 07:17 |
| lamont_r | ditto for xgethostname, although upstream hasn't looked at that to see what he thinks yet. | 07:17 |
| lamont_r | I need to look at 10mount.dpatch and split that up some. getblocks is ugly messy, and came in with the hurd patch (and is broken.) | 07:18 |
| === lamont_r is going to chat with jbailey next week about some other options for the patch... | ||
| azeem | braindmg did the patch, btw, but he's away until next week | 07:21 |
| azeem | lamont_r: ah, you mean you found more parts of the original hurd patch in other patches, and put them back into 50hurd for 2.12l-1? | 07:23 |
| jdub_ | ross: ahem. no attachment. :-) | 07:24 |
| lamont_r | yeah | 07:25 |
| ross | jdub_: use your imagination :) sure i won't be sued for cropping the logo? :) | 07:25 |
| lamont_r | there may be 1 or 2 parts that actually are in 2.12l upstream | 07:25 |
| azeem | good start :) | 07:25 |
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| jdub_ | ross: playing with trademarks is frowned upon ;) | 07:40 |
| ross | ssh | 07:42 |
| elmo | Keybuk: dude. that rocks | 07:43 |
| Keybuk | I thought you'd appreciate it | 07:44 |
| elmo | what's with the OHMIGODMYEYES colour of the Are We There Yet one tho? | 07:44 |
| Keybuk | you can only put one of each product on the cheapskate shop | 07:46 |
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| mooch | dudes, come to the 1st floor to see the thing... | 07:57 |
| mooch | it is quite cool, and there is nobody here | 07:57 |
| jdahlin | seb128: I hope pango 1.8.0 is in hoary | 07:57 |
| mooch | although is already 30 min late | 07:57 |
| seb128 | jdahlin, not yet, fighint with other stuff | 07:59 |
| jdahlin | seb128: man you're so slow. it's been out for a whole 30 minutes | 08:01 |
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| spotter | this url (in firefox) kills my gnome desktop | 08:26 |
| spotter | http://www.jascoproducts.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online-store/scstore/go/2005_tech_glamcam.html?L+scstore+tjwj6461ff441244+1102678043 | 08:26 |
| spotter | weirdest thing | 08:26 |
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| spotter | also does it things in mozilla | 08:26 |
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| trulux | i'm going to make a talk in the Umeet about hardened debian | 09:48 |
| trulux | the sunday, 20:00 gmt | 09:48 |
| trulux | i would like to have some Ubuntu gcc packages ready for that day, so, doko, are you there? | 09:48 |
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