[12:01] sigh... conf connectivity to the US seems to have tanked. [12:07] thom: shtoom packages. *crave* === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Abandonando"] [12:19] anyone in here that can take ops in #ubuntu? you gotta kick this dude, he's flooding like crazy [12:20] never mind, its stopped, and he said was a mistake === rs [~remon@210-64-dsl.ipact.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] I love how it says "utnudu" on my chest while looking in the mirror. === RubenV [~lambda1@kn-res.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] Mithrandir: THERE ARE PACKAGES???? [12:27] lamont_r: he ITP-ed it, at least. [12:27] Mithrandir: DUDE! kewl. === lamont_r rolls yet another util-linux upstream upgrade === farruinn [~nathan@syr-69-201-2-221.twcny.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] lamont_r: I'm bothering your buildds with YA ooo build. [12:28] this one ought to work, though [12:28] feh === lamont_r takes a typing break === haggai waves to the Mataroers from the cold reaches of England [12:30] hi haggai [12:30] haggai: do you want the patch for using stamp-dir instead of the target directly? [12:31] Mithrandir: yes, if you're not going to upload it [12:31] otherwise I'll just resync with the pkgs [12:32] uploaded 15 minutes ago, or so. === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] is it possible to reset your plone password, I wanna give Rosetta a try [12:33] for Belgium Dutch === usual [~colin@alb-69-202-40-142.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] hmmm, I've found my password in the firefox history [12:38] but I can't log into the launch pad === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-87-125.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] daniels: I've managed to get X into a weird state where it's not updating the background properly [01:34] So if I change desktops, I get the contents of the previous desktop in the background behind the text [01:34] Persists over X restarts, and I can screengrab it in this state [01:34] daniels: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/brokenx.png [01:36] daniels: A suspend/resume cycle seems to have fixed it, so I'm guessing it's some weird interaction between vbestate and X === mjg59 [mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] Hey can somebody explain to me why we distribute mp3 software in universe [01:49] but not in main [01:49] is universe offshore or something? [01:49] Or is it simply principal? [01:50] May have more to do with the fact that Ubuntu main is a pretty small core set of packages, and universe is "everything else from Debian that doesn't FTBFS" [01:50] ie: Perhaps some folk don't consider said mp3 apps terribly "core". [01:50] So it just came along for the ride. [01:51] There are a number of instances on u-d where somebody's request for mp3 support from main was rebuked because of patent concerns. [01:51] Which begs the question of how it can be in universe. ;) [01:51] Oh, then ignore me. :) [01:51] Naw, im just asking. [01:52] Another valid concern would be that main is (likely) the only bit that ever makes it out on pressed/redistributed CDs. [01:52] I'm sure that makes a difference somewhere, to someone... Somehow. [01:52] You'd have to ask someone more in the know than I am, though. [01:53] My guess is that it's in Debian, and probably should be removed from Debian too. =/ [01:53] But that nobody cares to do it. heh. [01:54] Debian has an interesting "decoders are kosher, encoders aren't" attitude, backed up by some rather interesting legal wrangling. [01:54] Are there mp3 encoders in main that I don't know about? [01:54] I thought xmms was [01:54] Just a decoder, afaik. [01:55] Well, Debian's legal stuff seems suspicious to me. [01:55] Decoders are clearly licensed. [01:55] Yes, it's the vailidity of the patent that seems to be in question, not the existance of it. [01:55] Or some such. [01:55] You only have to go to... franwhomevers site to see the prices listed. [01:55] I find it confusing that Debian would be prepared to accept that risk. [01:56] on the shipping cds point of view, thats probably the sticking point, franhoffer (sp?) probably dosent go after you if you are not actively giving out mp3 capabilities [01:56] xmms is in main.. just checked. [01:57] perhaps its an mp3 crippled one, like in rh/fedora [01:57] possible. I know Debina's isn't. [01:57] debians [01:57] Debian doesn't stand to lose much, really. FH isn't likely to sue us (we don't have any money), and if they sent a cease and desist, we could.. Y'know... Cease.. And desist. [01:57] Ubuntu's position may change that. [01:57] At least practically. [01:58] THey seem to have money. ;) [01:58] Ubuntu's free to distribute what they want. [01:58] Yeah. === Lovechild [~dnielsen@82.150.72.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] I'm just curious about it. [01:58] Obviously, Ubuntu doesn't (and never will) distribute all of Debian's archive. [01:58] it's hard to consistantly answer somebody's questions about mp3 support in gstreamer. [01:58] For a variety of reasons, from "some of it may get them in hot water" to "lots of it is crap". [01:58] heh, i notice they keep well away from the vid/dvd stuff though, christian marillats little domain, i guess the RIAA always shoots to kill [01:59] marillat is in france i believe. [02:00] s/RIAA/MPAA/ [02:00] i think [02:00] thought. [02:00] And I wouldn't say Debian stays "right away from it"... [02:00] infinity, yes sorry, thanks for correction [02:00] There are plenty of patent-encumbered MPEG decoders in an around Debian. [02:01] About the only thing missingis DeCSS. [02:01] And mplyer, but that has more to do with it having been a license nightmare for ages. [02:02] infinity, actually youre right now you made me think a bit deeper about it, i guess i only think about the apps i use === ultrafunk [~pd@insanity.ridge.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [~bryan@mxpxpod.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] how do I go about making kernel-header packages that aren't empty? === ultrafunk [~pd@eth779.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] make-kpkg kernel_headers not working? [02:20] wasabi_: it's giving me /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.9-blah with only makefiles in the directory [02:20] that sucks. ;) [02:20] i haven't tried it in a long time, since Debian. [02:21] wasabi_: do you make your own kernel-image .debs? [02:21] Since Ubuntu I haven't. [02:22] I think I got over it. [02:22] mxpxpod, i do, whys that? [02:22] linux_mafia: why's what? [02:22] mxpxpod : Are you doing it in the same invocation? [02:22] infinity: yes [02:22] mxpxpod : make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers? [02:22] infinity: yup [02:22] mxpxpod, i thought you were gonna ask a question about making kernel-image debs [02:23] infinity: well, I add a --append-to-version in there [02:24] What version of kernel-package do you have? [02:25] 8.114ubuntu1 [02:25] Doubly weird. I have no problems with an essentially identical Debian version. [02:26] infinity: so, you do it in the same invocation as well? [02:26] [02:28] welp, I gotta get going [02:28] I'll try doing this again (maybe I screwed something up) and see what I come up with === kylem [~kyle@CPE0030ab0b413b-CM023469906297.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@pD95F8FE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === linux_mafia [~max@222-152-205-106.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === diego [~diego@user-0cetu7o.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:23] hi all [06:23] what is being done to shorten boot times? [06:28] `qlots of things [06:30] that's good...is there a page documenting the procedures being carried out? [06:31] uh [06:31] don't know [06:31] you should ask here in ~ 2.5 hours, when everyone on the conference wakes up [06:32] conference? [06:32] thare's a conference going on in Mataro, Spain [06:32] with lots of Ubuntu developers [06:33] oh right, right, i'll be sure to stick around then. thanks === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:16] lamont_r? you awake yet? === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu development -- ARE WE NEARLY THERE YET? -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Want to help Hoary? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | Mataro server is mataro.ubuntu.com - local mirror, smtp smarthost, squid on 3128 === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by elmo at Sat Dec 11 23:35:38 2004 === #ubuntu-devel [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup [08:51] good morning fabbione === elmo__ [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bitserf [~ljb@222-152-17-146.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] mjg59: interesting, bob2 is seeing roughly the same thing === Rookie [~Rookie@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === justdave [~dave@66.227.241.236.gha.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurfix_ [~smurf@smurfix.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moquist [~moquist@pool-64-222-129-228.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elmo [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] doko: a whole bunch got rejected - I assume you saw that? === martink [~martin@pD9EB292A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] Warning: Permanently added 'arch.netsplit.com' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. [09:43] ...why is that a Warning? I just typed "yes" [09:44] Keybuk: you should've answered 'maybe' [09:45] n..no...no...no...no...no...n..no..Yes. === jamesh [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BradB [~bradb@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] Nothing like changing the byte order of structure fields to really drive the "out-of-tree" driver writers crazy. I like it :) [10:06] -- Greg Kroah-Hartman [10:06] *snigger* [10:06] 8) [10:07] mdz: you here? === JanC [JanC@D5764B74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [~jinty@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [~jinty@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Astharot [~isager@82.52.100.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rs [~remon@210-64-dsl.ipact.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] jdub: I wouldn't be so opposed to using python-udeb for individual UIs for modules that run after anna; that would only kill lowmem, and they can use newt or whatever [10:27] jdub: python-udeb in the initrd I think is totally wrong. [10:27] I suspect that may have been what joeyh was thinking of, but I'll have to talk with him [10:28] however, that would mean adding cdebconf bindings to python === jamesh [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC_ [JanC@D5764B74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === diego [~diego@user-0cetu7o.cable.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === JanC [JanC@D5764B74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [~ogra@p508EADAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ross [~ross@82-133-111-179.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] lifeless: btw, fixing pmount just for vfat is trivially easy, without changing umasks for CD-ROM etc. [10:56] cool! [10:57] lifeless: I have to do some security stuff before, then I can do this === JanC_ [JanC@D5764B74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] BONG, this discussion on the filenames translations in GNOME is endless === JanC_ [JanC@D5764B74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] "lets stop this endless discussion, ok?" [11:13] "sure, but..." [11:13] seb128: your actually reading it ? [11:14] no, I've some real stuff to do actually :p [11:14] ;) [11:22] pitti: -8 will have SELINUX compiled but disabled as we discussed yesterday === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [rpGirl@m146i.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] fabbione: cool [11:37] uh, shouldn't we drop support for like 2.1 by now? [11:37] daniels: come upstairs :) === mdz [~mdz@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] if 2.4 is going to be the default [11:37] Keybuk: tell daniels to come upstairds [11:37] QualityAssuranceAndTesting BOF is starting upstairs NOW [11:37] /topic DANIELS, COME UPSTAIRS [11:38] dists/hoary/restricted/binary-sparc/Packages.gz [11:39] oops [11:39] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-hoary-output/rdepends/python2.1/python2.1 [11:39] elmo: ^-- [11:41] yeah, but most of those are surely because of 2.1 variants of other modules? [11:41] build-depends sure, not convinced about the depends though [11:42] pychecker's is an alternative dependency, python2.1 not default === JanC_ [JanC@D5764B74.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] so yeah, probably correct [11:43] [and while we're at it, why not 2.2 too :p] [11:44] interesting, if I experimentally add universe to the list of components for germinating debootstrap, it wants to add dialog to base === Kinnison [~dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] lamont: how do I configure postfix to use a smarthost over tls with smtp authentication [12:03] lamont: please tell me the exact same thing :) === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] seb128: evolution's packaging... how do I easily edit a single patch? [12:09] Keybuk: you see the bts for postfix-tls and find the howto that's in one of those... it's a hoary thing I haven't done yet... [12:12] Kinnison, cdbs, patches are in debian/patches in standard diff format [12:12] so trivial I would say [12:13] seb128: how do you edit patches with cdbs' simple-patchsys? [12:13] with vi? [12:23] seb128: okay; give me the process for editing the 02 patch [12:23] azeem: badly [12:24] anybody using quilt for this stuff? [12:25] azeem, tar xzf *.orig.tar.gz && cp -af dir dir.org && cd dir && patch && cd .. && diff [12:26] yeah [12:26] seb128: dude, this is almost 2005 :P [12:26] and ? [12:27] I almost never edit patches [12:27] I get them from bugzilla, or work with the CVS and cvs diff [12:27] huh? seriously? [12:27] dear god. [12:27] then you don't need quilt, and simple-patchsys is good enough [12:27] and I just need to cp the diff in debian/patches === smurfix_ [~smurf@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] thom it's the only sane way to work with simple-patchsys [12:27] it is SO BROKEN [12:27] thom: cdbs can also use dpatch and quilt, besides its own simple-patchsys === smurfix__ [~smurf@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] azeem: i know [12:27] thom, I edit the sources and diff on the source control system (cvs, svn, tla, ...) [12:28] dpatch is love [12:28] daniels: why don't you switch X to dpatch? [12:28] daniels, you are the broken one dude [12:29] fabbione: stfu noob hth hand kthxbye [12:29] daniels: uha uha uha [12:29] seb128: simple-patchsys doesn't scale to x, therefore it sucks :P [12:29] doko: in your python upload orgy you forgot pyopengl [12:30] at least that i can see [12:30] daniels: did you look at quilt? [12:30] azeem: yes [12:30] and? [12:30] it's quilt [12:30] I only looked at it briefly, and would like to know other people's opinions [12:30] aha [12:31] subversion notably uses cdbs and quilt [12:31] it looked like bad, bad crack to me [12:31] daniels, right :) [12:32] what should be saving my mixer settings over reboots? [12:32] (ie where should I file a bug when it doesn't ;) [12:32] alsa [12:33] alsa-bsae [12:33] base [12:34] seb128: ye gods; that's vile === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@d058152.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:48] Keybuk: what about using procmail for local mail delivery? [12:49] pitti: why? [12:50] thom: Keybuk's mail on u-devel [12:50] thom: kicking postfix [12:50] no, why would you use procmail? [12:50] i know the context [12:50] procmail is love [12:51] procmail is worse than perl. [12:51] thom: it should reasonably act as a local MTA [12:51] thom: or does it not? [12:51] pitti: but oh, the complexity! [12:51] pitti: that's just replacing one horror show with a different one [12:51] thom: do you know something simpler? [12:52] pitti: the suggestion is that we write a minimal one in python, according to scott's spec or the discussion thereof [12:52] thom: the suggestion was "unless there is something that already does this" [12:53] thom: I could not find one, though [12:53] thom: so rewriting one could be an option [12:53] thom: s/re// [12:53] pitti: i think that if the choice is procmail or nothing, nothing wins [12:54] thom: then this basically means rewriting procmail in python, then? [12:54] it should implement the sieve mail filtering spec [12:54] since that has an RFC [12:54] (and sieve scripts are actually readable) === pitti thinks that reimplementing existing stuff is kind of a waste [12:56] jamesh: can't we at least use sieve and/or procmail as a "backend"? [12:56] thom: ^ [12:57] then we only need a root daemon which calls procmail/sieve/whatever as the target user [12:57] pitti: dude, have you read the procmail source code? [12:57] elmo: yes, it's crap [12:57] that's insulting to crap [12:58] ;-) [12:58] there is a sieve library implementation in Cyrus [12:58] jamesh: what about the one in mailutils? [12:58] root daemon + procmail == whoops [12:58] daniels: ? [12:58] pitti: it has a sieve impl? [12:58] jamesh: " sieve -- a mail filtering tool." [12:58] jamesh: ^ from the package description [12:58] jamesh: I don't know it, though [12:59] OTOH: for local-only delivery, we don't really need mail filtering [12:59] pitti: indeed [12:59] evo etc. can do it on their own [12:59] pitti: if you need that, use postfix [12:59] so basically, we only need a setgid mail daemon which appends the mails in /var/mail/$user? [01:00] yeah [01:00] this should indeed be easy [01:00] took me only about 10m to implement ... :p [01:00] . o O ( always implement the proposed spec before sending it :p ) [01:00] Keybuk: your points 5-7 are incorrect... [01:01] lamont_r: no they are not [01:01] listens on 127.0.0.1 [01:01] and ::1 [01:01] doesn't [01:01] beg to differ. [01:01] tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN [01:01] tcp 0 0 localhost.localdom:smtp *:* LISTEN 4065/master [01:01] postfix listens on localhost -> master.cf to fix that [01:01] ^ default config [01:01] syndicate scott% sudo lsof -i :25 [01:01] COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME [01:01] master 10807 root 11u IPv6 85850 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) [01:01] master 10807 root 12u IPv4 85851 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) [01:01] Keybuk: you changed your config, or had previously installed postfix from debian [01:01] lamont_r: neither. fresh install _yesterday_ [01:02] daniels@catsby:~/canonical/xorg/arch/pristine/xorg-6.8.1/build-tree/xc/fonts/bdf/75dpi% netstat -an | grep 25 [01:02] tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN [01:02] tcp6 0 0 ::1:25 :::* LISTEN [01:02] pitti: I wonder if it uses the same implementation? [01:02] hmm, my config is still from warty === lamont_r actually looks [01:02] jamesh: as I said, I have no idea === sid77 [~sid77@151.11.187.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] hi [01:03] Keybuk: my master.cf says: [01:03] 127.0.0.1:smtp inet n - - - - smtpd [01:03] ::1:smtp inet n - - - - smtpd [01:03] Keybuk: is that different from yours? === trukulo [~mzarza@26.Red-81-45-239.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] Keybuk: if so, then probably a patch got lost during the merge [01:04] entirely like;y [01:04] smtp inet n - - - - smtpd [01:04] argh [01:04] pitti: I'll get that fixed [01:04] lamont_r: is it possible that this "localhost only" patch got lost during merge? [01:06] Keybuk: your proposed daemon - support for .forward files? delivery to commands? Those both render the problem into a can of worms [01:07] if users want that functionality, they can install a proper MDA [01:08] keybuk: is there a bug in bz for the bad default? [01:08] bz? [01:08] bugzilla? [01:08] bugzilla. === lamont_r uploads a new postfix. :-( [01:09] then I get to track down the config template change dropage [01:10] was introduced in 2.1.5-1ubuntu1 in hoary [01:12] on oct 30. Any fresh install since then listens on *:25, and will until postfix is purged/installed, or the config is edited. [01:12] Keybuk: Can you try http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3909 at some point? [01:13] mjg59: ooh, sure -- gimme an hour or two to finish playing smtpd [01:13] Keybuk: your proposed damon, 3 requires configuration - guessing doesn't work. 4 requires a full featured MTA, pretty much [01:13] disagree [01:14] you guys are working to hard! I can't keep up with the mailing-lists! [01:15] Simira: dont subscribe to hoary-changes ;) [01:15] Treenaks: I'm not. [01:15] Simira: THAT one's busy :) [01:15] though I consider update my server to hoary, as my sound don't work [01:15] Treenaks: I'm not on that OR users [01:16] lamont_r: is it now "postfixitagain"? [01:19] doko: mind to check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=278449 ? [01:19] doko: perhaps you have an idea of a fix === Astharot [~isager@82.52.100.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] fabbione, chronicles about the conference, in spanish in my web [01:23] hey trukulo ! [01:23] url? [01:24] http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/79/ <- only spanish , sorry === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] doko, [01:31] Dpaquetage de python2.4-twisted ( partir de .../python2.4-twisted_1.3.0-4ubuntu1_all.deb) ... [01:31] dpkg: erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-twisted_1.3.0-4ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack): [01:31] tentative de remplacement de /usr/share/man/man1/im.1.gz, qui appartient aussi au paquet python2.3-twisted [01:38] I'm interested in working on an LTSP .deb for Ubuntu. Anybody know if that's already happening? [01:39] Also, I'm coming from the Gentoo world (and I've never used Debian); are there virtual deps I need to know about when filling out Depends:, or can I just list packages by name? [01:42] moquist: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-virtual_pkg [01:43] thom: cool; thx! [01:43] np [01:48] fabbione, r u awake, there, and have 5 minutes? [01:48] did anyone get a "vegetarian" death-wish that didn't contain "salmon" ? [01:49] sladen: kinnison did, and palmed it off [01:50] Keybuk: did you manage get anything without fish in exchange? [01:52] trukulo: i am awake of course.. i need 5 minutes before i have 5 minutes completely free... (smoking break) [01:52] you have them [01:52] :) [01:52] ;) [01:55] trukulo [01:55] e [01:55] re [01:55] ok, query please === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] anyone noticed if usb-storage is significantly unfucked in the latest 2.6.9 kernels? [02:04] bob2: the weird ub driver got ditched [02:04] bob2: so it should work like it did in 2.6.8.1 [02:05] oh, rock [02:05] now to just find my usb key [02:05] and camera cable === Treenaks is going to haxx0r the quickcam driver tonight... [02:05] stupid logitech === Simira [rpGirl@m146i.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rasputin_ [~rasputin@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub_ [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dnielsen [~dnielsen@82.150.72.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurfix_ [~smurf@smurfix.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] pitti: what's the current state of postgres 8? [02:37] Mithrandir: test suite fails for beta4; I did not try RC1 yet [02:37] Mithrandir: http://www.postgresql.org/news/253.html :) [02:37] Treenaks: I was more interested in the current state of it in ubuntu/debian [02:38] I know the upstream state. [02:38] will it upgrade cleanly? :) [02:38] Mithrandir: it's still 7.4.6, and this is not going to change for Sarge [02:38] (unlike the 6.x->7.0->7.1->7.2->7.3->7.4 breakages) [02:38] Kinnison: dude, signkeys build chokes on noodles' keydb_db4.c [02:38] Mithrandir: if we need an 8.0 package in Ubuntu, then I can package it [02:38] true, but there has been talk of putting one in experimental === rasputin_ is now known as Burgundavia [02:39] Mithrandir: Oliver Elphick started repackaging it for the new multiversion architecture === Burgundavia is now known as Burgundavia_ [02:39] Mithrandir: he did not report back so far :-( [02:39] Oliver Elphick should not be let close to pg8! [02:39] Mithrandir: but I will ping him, maybe I can finish the packaging [02:40] Treenaks: ? [02:40] pitti: afaik, he broke the upgrade scripts for the older postgresql series migrations [02:40] pitti: ok [02:40] pitti: and didn't accept patches [02:40] Treenaks: the whole concept of the current upgrading is brokebn [02:40] Treenaks: patches do not help there any more [02:41] Treenaks: I rewrote half of the scripts, it got a bit better [02:41] Treenaks: but this does not help for woody upgrades since they still use the maitnainer scripts from 7.2 [02:41] pitti: I'm on sarge, does that help? [02:41] Treenaks: that's why I persuaded him of complete repackaging [02:42] Treenaks: if you already run 7.4, then you are fine [02:42] pitti: OK :) [02:42] Treenaks: I write him a mail now [02:42] sladen: try ./configure --with-backend=fs or whatever it's called [02:48] 70025 debian/patches/000_stolen_from_6.8_branch.diff [02:48] 111987 total [02:48] Updating OpenOffice.org's dictionary list... done. [02:48] [Invalid UTF-8] Could not parse file '/usr/share/applications/ooo645calc.desktop': desktop entry contain line 'Comment[ca] =Fulla de c\xc3| lcul d'OpenOffice.org' which is not UTF-8 [02:48] mua ha ha [02:48] daniels: known issue [02:48] Mithrandir: what, that we have a lot of patches? [02:48] uhm [02:48] s/daniels/bob2/ [02:48] ah [02:51] Unpacking python2.4-twisted (from .../python2.4-twisted_1.3.0-4ubuntu1_all.deb) ... [02:51] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-twisted_1.3.0-4ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack): [02:51] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/im.1.gz', which is also in package python2.3-twisted === sid77 [~sid77@151.11.187.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] please stop pasting errors here [02:52] it is a known problem === mdz [~mdz@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:56] mdz: got a minute? [03:00] Kinnison: "# This is your name / primary UID or whatever" <-- signee or singer? [03:00] daniels: dstone? [03:01] sladen signuid's encrypted content? signee [03:02] mooch: yeha [03:02] yeah, even [03:03] daniels: just funny that you noticed about the nokia possition [03:07] hi mooch === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] I've noticed that apt-get do 101 http get per tcp connection (or something similar), is there a way to modify this value? === stratus [~stratus@200.198.184.97] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] You don't have permission to access / on this server." [03:26] sivang: what server [03:26] Treenaks : no sorry, this was meant to go private to someone..:) [03:36] Magnus just asked the ubuntu-devel list, but I'm less patient. :) Is this the place for aspiring devs to ask questions about package creation and testing, or is there another place to ask that stuff? Wiki page, perhaps? [03:43] moquist: here. [03:43] $ sudo /etc/init.d/readahead_early restart [03:43] * Reading essential files... [03:43] cat: /etc/readahead/earlyfiles: No such file or directory [03:43]