[12:00] <jkelly_> you can run a linux firewall on a sega dreamcast too. i like emacs.
[12:00] <Bh420> was thinking of one of the fanless eden boards for an ipcop machine
[12:00] <dreamer> I love my dreamcast ;)
[12:00] <linux_mafia> dreamer, i here you, im actively considering robbing a bank or some such at the moment, the creditors are closing in
[12:00] <dreamer> :/
[12:00] <dreamer> christmas sucks
[12:00] <jkelly_> dreamer: u could put linux on it!
[12:01] <dreamer> i could, but I'd rather play street fighter on it ;)
[12:01] <Bh420> i am going to claim to be an illegitimate son of bill gates... should be able to get a few mill
[12:01] <jkelly_> or sued a few mil
[12:01] <Bh420> cant get blood from a turnip
[12:01] <linux_mafia> dreamer, bah humbug, i just need to pay my rent, 2 weeks behind :( flatmates not impressed
[12:01] <dreamer> ouch :/
[12:02] <GotD0t> Bh420: not unless you have at least a masters, his daughter isn't getting crap unless she gets a masters
[12:02] <Bh420> yea but i am not a real child
[12:03] <Bh420> perfect age to im 23
[12:03] <neighborlee> is there a way to know when a standard system upgrade wont get me some security update or will synaptic let me know ? ;-)
[12:04] <Aure> where can I make bugreports for ubuntu ?
[12:04] <linux_mafia> i heard/read that he aint gonna give his kids squat "they will have to work for a living to appreciate money" he said, or some such, he'll probably leave his squillions to his cats or something
[12:04] <Bh420> haha
[12:04] <jkelly_> lol
[12:04] <SeFoKumA> re
[12:04] <Bh420> hes got more money then he knows what do with
[12:05] <linux_mafia> Aure, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:05] <jkelly_> the only way bill is going to make windows better is to do what apple done.
[12:05] <linux_mafia> what, make ipods?
[12:05] <jkelly_> apple put their own interface on freebsd.
[12:05] <Bh420> apple....
[12:06] <dreamer> the NT line is based on VMS
[12:06] <jkelly_> if windows done that, all their problems would go away.
[12:06] <Safari_Al> Hi all.  I've a local mirror of the ubuntu archives.  How should I properly install a modified package into this archive?  Is there any tool to regenerate the indeces?
[12:06] <neighborlee> Aure: ubuntulinux.org > support > right side under 'quick links'....( for future reference )
[12:07] <jkelly_> and if bill ditched ie and outlook.
[12:07] <dreamer> considering that 94% of error reporting to ms shows that it's 3rd party drivers / apps that cause the most problems
[12:07] <dreamer> they don't need to ditch ie or outlook, just fix the fucking things
[12:07] <Bh420> actually ie6 with sp2 isnt that bad...
[12:07] <linux_mafia> what has os x got to do with fbsd?
[12:07] <dreamer> it's improved a lot yeah ;)
[12:07] <dreamer> linux_mafia: it's based on the mach microkernel
[12:08] <jkelly_> mac ox x is built on top of freebsd.
[12:08] <linux_mafia> It uses Mach microkernel, BSD is implemented as a layer on top of the Mach kernel.
[12:08] <dreamer> I forget which version
[12:08] <dreamer> darwin is based on freebsd, as others have said
[12:08] <jkelly_> they found 2 new problem with sp2.
[12:08] <jkelly_> *problems
[12:09] <dreamer> sp2 is certainly a rather mixed bag :
[12:09] <dreamer> :/ even
[12:09] <jkelly_> and guess what program it was....?
[12:09] <keenan> if i'm running debian testing and i point apt-get to the ubuntu repository and upgrade, how much stuff will break?
[12:09] <jkelly_> it's was ie.
[12:09] <jkelly_> *it was ie.
[12:10] <jkelly_> go to www.secunia.com for more information.
[12:11] <xevil> keenan: you want to be the guinea pig on that?
[12:11] <keenan> ok, guinea pig, sounds fun =P
[12:12] <linux_mafia> keenan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes
[12:12] <jkelly_> what's the next version of ubuntu going to be like, i quite like ubuntu. i can watch my dvd's too, using ogle.
[12:16] <keenan> wow, everything's still working
[12:16] <keenan> better reboot to make sure
[12:16] <TTilus> Viite     e M Nimi                 Hahmo
[12:16] <TTilus> 21005 15,00 X Kari Aliranta        Frederik vers
[12:16] <TTilus> 21018 15,00 X Nino Hynninen        Oiva I. Sarko
[12:16] <TTilus> 21021 15,00 X Joni Hyttinen        Anselmi Janokas
[12:16] <TTilus> 21034 15,00 X Juho Itkonen         Hannes Kallo
[12:17] <TTilus> 21050 15,00 X Ville Koljonen       Kaarlo Honka
[12:17] <TTilus> 21063 15,00 X Aku Kolu             Henrik Eklund
[12:17] <TTilus> 21076 15,00 X Heikki Kupiainen     Kaaleppi Konttinen
[12:17] <TTilus> 21089 15,00 X Sampo Kyllnen       Voitto Salokoski
[12:17] <TTilus> 21092 15,00 X Mikko Lehtinen       Henri Ahlstrm
[12:17] <linux_mafia> beat it
[12:17] <TTilus> 21102 15,00 X Tomi Letonsaari      Evert Rauhamaa
[12:17] <TTilus> 21115 15,00   Mika Loponen         Valtteri Kanto
[12:17] <linux_mafia> what is that spam
[12:17] <TTilus> 21128 15,00 X Jarmo Louet          Sepeteus Korppi
[12:17] <TTilus> 21940 15,00 X Janne Nuutinen       Johan Ahlstrm
[12:17] <TTilus> 21144 15,00 X Hannu Pajunen        Anders von Hertzen
[12:17] <TTilus> 21157 15,00   Mikael Palojrvi     Simo Jantunen
[12:17] <TTilus> 21160 15,00 X Johannes Penttinen   Lauri-Juhani Laine
[12:17] <jkelly_> ????????/
[12:17] <TTilus> 21652 15,00   Anssi Rahkola        Dieter Haukkasalo
[12:17] <TTilus> 21173 15,00 X Pauli Rautiainen     Ilmari Merenheimo
[12:17] <TTilus> 21186 15,00 X Tomi Rutanen         Wille Kuusela
[12:17] <TTilus> 21199 15,00 X Mikko Ryytty         Hugo Hinderdorff
[12:17] <TTilus> 21209 15,00 X Jaakko Salonen       Antero jskelinen
[12:17] <TTilus> 21212 15,00 X Kimmo Salakka        Hermanni Vinl
[12:17] <TTilus> 21225 15,00 X Jukka Seppnen       Pivi Koponen
[12:17] <TTilus> 21238 15,00 X Jukka Turunen        Emil K. Hukka
[12:17] <TTilus> 21241 15,00 X Rauli Valo           Viktor Hmlinen
[12:17] <TTilus> 21254 15,00 X Sampo Vartiainen     Lasse Kokko
[12:17] <TTilus> 21267 15,00 X Jaakko Virtanen      Elias Vin Lhteenmki
[12:18] <TTilus> 21270 10,00 X Erkka Jouste         Untamo Erkko
[12:18] <TTilus> 21283 10,00 X Ilkka Plnen        Emil Gustafsson
[12:18] <TTilus> 21296 10,00 X Sami Sorvo           Sulevi Hellsten
[12:18] <TTilus> 21306 10,00 X Markus Valkama       Pekka Ervast
[12:18] <TTilus> 21335  2,00 X Hannu Aarniala       Verner Lehtimki
[12:18] <TTilus> 21348  2,00   Antti Halonen        (tusinaupseeri)
[12:18] <TTilus> 21351  2,00 X Tuomo Kalliokoski    (vapaaherra af Brs)
[12:18] <TTilus> 21364  2,00   Valtteri Saad        (eversti Talvela)
[12:18] <TTilus> 21377  2,00 X Martti Huusko        (alkoholitarkastaja)
[12:18] <TTilus> 21380 15,00 X Tonja Goldblatt      Aino Janokas
[12:18] <TTilus> 21393 15,00 X Anna-Riikka Ihantola Elisa Kantonen
[12:18] <TTilus> 21733 15,00 X Maarit Heikkinen     Katri Lhteenmki
[12:18] <TTilus> 21403 15,00 X Katja Inhil         Tatjana Ivanovna
[12:18] <TTilus> 21416 15,00 X Saana Katila         Natasha
[12:18] <TTilus> 21429 15,00 X Maija Korhonen       Matilda Jskelinen
[12:18] <TTilus> 21432 15,00 X Laura-Kaisa Lehtinen Maria Ehrblom
[12:18] <TTilus> 21445 15,00 X Elina Lappalainen    Viktoria Laakso
[12:18] <jkelly_> ???
[12:18] <TTilus> 21458 15,00 X Elina Leppl        Tilda Vehmas
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <TTilus> 21461 15,00 X AnnaLotta Viertola   Helj Piippo
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <TTilus> 21474 15,00 X Ines Lukkanen        Kerttu Laine
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <TTilus> 21487 15,00 X Helka Mkinen        Eva Ahlstrm
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <TTilus> 21490 15,00 X Pauliina Mnnist    Anna von hertzen
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:18] <TTilus> 21500 15,00 X Riina Nevalainen     Sylvia Rsenstrm
[12:18] <jkelly_> ?
[12:19] <TTilus> 21539 15,00 X Elisa Wiik           Unelma Anniina Lampela
[12:19] <jkelly_> ?
[12:19] <sjoerd> dutes, stop doing that
[12:19] <jkelly_> ?
[12:19] <TTilus> 21542 10,00 X Sanna Hietala        Irma von Hertzen
[12:19] <calc> someone please kick TTilus and jkelly_
[12:19] <jkelly_> ?
[12:19] <TTilus> 21555 10,00 X Mari Jyrnki         (vieraileva jazz-tytt)
[12:19] <sjoerd> s/dutes/dudes
[12:19] <TTilus> 21568 10,00 X Tutta Kesti          Pauliina Salmi
[12:19] <jkelly_> ?
[12:19] <calc> well kick ban
[12:19] <TTilus> 21571 10,00 X Heli Lehto           Lyydia Erkko
[12:19] <jkelly_> ?
[12:19] <jkelly_> don't
[12:19] <TTilus> 21513 10,00 X Virva Savolainen     Helmi Pellonp
[12:19] <TTilus> 21597 10,00   Heidi Westerlund     (teatterikriitikko)
[12:19] <TTilus> 21607  2,00 X Essi Koskinen        (narikkatytt)
[12:19] <TTilus> 21610  2,00 X Pia Kuivalainen      Emilia af Brs
[12:19] <TTilus> 21623  2,00 X Soila Kyyriinen     (rouva Gustafsson)
[12:19] <TTilus> 21636  2,00   Suvi Korhonen        Lilly Leeman
[12:19] <thenuke> wtf
[12:19] <TTilus> 21678  2,00 X Sanna Pikku-Pyhlt  Aili Kanto
[12:19] <TTilus> 21584  2,00   Kristiina Prauda     Sophia verst
[12:19] <TTilus> "focus follows eye" combined to careless middle-click  :-/
[12:19] <jkelly_> kick TTilus off, but i just want to know what he's doing.
[12:19] <calc> use a better irc client
[12:20] <calc> irssi blocks you from pasting crap like that with an are you sure question
[12:20] <TTilus> 01:18 < TTilus> "focus follows eye" combined to careless middle-click  :-/
[12:20] <thenuke> jkelly_: pronouncing some finnish womans names :)
[12:20] <surrounder> nb
[12:20] <TTilus> calc: using irssi...  :] 
[12:20] <calc> TTilus: so a middle click and then another enter or whatever it asks you?
[12:21] <thenuke> oh, and there were names of men also :P what list was that?
[12:21] <calc> or at least iirc it used to warn about large pastes
[12:21] <TTilus> calc: it didnt ask, that's what bothers me the most
[12:21] <calc> perhaps only in the debian version
[12:21] <arctick> finnish is one fucked up language
[12:22] <thenuke> arctick: :(
[12:22] <TTilus> im running irssi in screen and was switching from another prog to irssi, maybe pushed something extra in addition to the things necessary...
[12:22] <thenuke> arctick: might just be one of the hardest to learn languages :) So they say
[12:22] <TTilus> it's late (EEST)
[12:23] <arctick> i dont mean to offend, its just very different
[12:23] <calc> TTilus: well i double checked and it seems ubuntu's irssi doesn't warn about pastes for me either
[12:23] <TTilus> thenuke: aint true, at least not completely
[12:23] <calc> but i am nearly certain the version in debian does, so not sure what the difference is
[12:23] <thenuke> arctick: well, if I look at umm.. some language picked from africa, it would be different :P
[12:23] <neighborlee> is there a way to know when a standard system 'upgrade' wont get me some security update ( because it wont do conflict resolution ) or will synaptic let me know ? ..
[12:23] <jkelly_> so all you did was test ubuntu's irssi?
[12:24] <calc> jkelly_: i don't have debian easily accessible here to verify the version in debian still blocks it
[12:24] <TTilus> thenuke: finnish elementary school ranks the best in PISA and one of the major reasons is the language, if you can speak, you can write too
[12:24] <arctick> its even very different from say german, dutch and english, the germanic languages are the only ones im familiar with (french the exception)
[12:24] <thenuke> TTilus: I do not get your point :)
[12:25] <calc> hmm actually it does work here
[12:25] <calc> i didn't attempt to paste enough lines
[12:25] <TTilus> thenuke: naah... forget it...
[12:25] <calc> you have to attempt to paste at least 5 lines
[12:25] <calc> then it shows:
[12:25] <calc> 17:25 -!- Irssi: Pasting 7 lines to #debian-kde. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do
[12:25] <calc>           this or Ctrl-C to cancel.
[12:25] <thenuke> TTilus: finnish is very complicated language, with many many rules
[12:25] <thenuke> so that is why it is ranked to be pretty difficult
[12:25] <TTilus> thenuke: that one is true
[12:26] <RubenV> ehm, I forgot my ubuntulinux.org password
[12:26] <RubenV> can somebody help me out?
[12:26] <thenuke> chinese is somehow ranked to be the most difficult
[12:26] <arctick> english on the other hand, has rules but they dont mean anything because they are always broken
[12:26] <thenuke> "to learn
[12:26] <thenuke> the Finnish language is just to sit down and shut up"
[12:26] <thenuke> :D
[12:26] <RubenV> thai is horribly hard btw
[12:26] <thenuke> google is almighty and all knowing.
[12:26] <TTilus> thenuke: but that misses the fact that writing finnish doesnt involve any extra difficulties...  :)
[12:27] <thenuke> ah, google told me also. "Although Finnish is known as one of the hardest languages of Europe"
[12:27] <Bh420> any lanugage that has several diffrent meanings depnding on what tone you say it is a pain
[12:27] <arctick> whats the most difficult really depends on your native tounge. for an american, russian is very hard to learn. but for someone who already speaks croatian or polish for example, it's not so bad
[12:27] <linux_mafia> no way is chinese the hardest, it has fairly straight forward syntax, and only 4 tones, thai has something like 16
[12:27] <thenuke> so we might be able to find some really twisted languages outside europe :P
[12:27] <thenuke> to compete with ours =)
[12:27] <RubenV> linux_mafia: thai has 5
[12:27] <dreamer> chinese has more than 4 tones :P
[12:27] <thenuke> Bh420: true =)
[12:28] <RubenV> but thais distinguish letters by the length of it
[12:28] <arctick> from what i read though, finish only loosley resembles estonian not so much other languages in surrounding countries
[12:28] <TTilus> RubenV: so does finnis
[12:28] <thenuke> Bh420: But I think that most often you can pick the meaning from the umm.. surrounding words
[12:28] <Bh420> i will stick with english im fairly fluent in it
[12:28] <Bh420> LOL
[12:28] <linux_mafia> RubenV, really, oh, a guy at my work whos married to a thai told me, im sure he quoted double figures, must have misheard
[12:28] <RubenV> but on an ubuntu related side:
[12:28] <RubenV> linux_mafia: I had a thai girlfriend (exchange student) who tried to learn me thai
[12:29] <TTilus> arctick: actually it resembles estonian so much that finns and estonian people can somewhat understand each other without actually knowing anything about the other language
[12:29] <RubenV> tried, cause thai is impossible if you're not used to hearing tonal languages
[12:29] <RubenV> but as I was saying :D
[12:29] <TTilus> hungary is a close relative to finnish too
[12:29] <RubenV> anybody knows how to reset your opass?
[12:29] <linux_mafia> RubenV, opass?
[12:29] <jkelly_> why are we talking about langauges?
[12:29] <RubenV> *password
[12:30] <RubenV> I wanna give Rossetta a try
[12:30] <arctick> languages are interesting, and have an obvious parallel in programming
[12:30] <linux_mafia> jkelly_, why not, you guys were blathering about windows before for gods sake ;)
[12:30] <Bh420> lol
[12:30] <RubenV> al informatics are linguists in a way
[12:30] <RubenV> i love languages
[12:30] <farruinn> it's probably a topic better suited for #ubuntuforums though
[12:30] <Bh420> im more into accents
[12:31] <linux_mafia> RubenV, what do you mean reset? change it?
[12:31] <dreamer> yeah, there's probably nothing less appropriate than discussing windows in a linux channel
[12:31] <RubenV> yes
[12:31] <arctick> i'm just really starting to embrace languages, hated them in highschool, school ruins everyhthing good
[12:31] <Bh420> dreamer - true but so far everyone here seems to be very helpful and cool unlike most linux chans i ahve been in
[12:31] <dreamer> amen
[12:32] <RubenV> gaaaaaah
[12:32] <linux_mafia> RubenV, in a term type passwd
[12:32] <RubenV> anyone from canonical awake
[12:32] <RubenV> I mean on the ubuntu site linux_mafia
[12:32] <RubenV> you need your plone password for rosetta
[12:32] <linux_mafia> RubenV, oh, ok, sorry
[12:32] <RubenV> and thanks to firefox's nice remember pass feature, i've become completely dumb :)
[12:32] <RubenV> should've stated that more obvious, my fault
[12:33] <jkelly_> python.
[12:33] <Bh420> you can get the pass in the winblows version of FF
[12:33] <Bh420> not sure about linux versions
[12:33] <Striss> I'm trying to get Video-Out to TV working in Ubuntu, could anybody point me to a good walkthrough or tutorial?
[12:33] <Bh420> under adnavaced and privacy i think
[12:34] <Bh420> options > privacy > saved passwords
[12:34] <Bh420> then view saved passwords then hit show passwords
[12:34] <RubenV> heh
[12:34] <RubenV> coool!
[12:34] <RubenV> thanks, didn't know that
[12:34] <jmhodges> ok mono is still broken in hoary
[12:34] <Bh420> np
[12:35] <Bh420> i may use winblows mostly but i dont love ie... LOL
[12:35] <jmhodges> mono-assemblies* needs to be updated.. is anyone else seeing this?
[12:35] <jkelly_> is anyone having problems with archive.ubuntu.com? i am trying to download kde and it won't work.
[12:35] <Aure> me too
[12:35] <Aure> can't install any of the mono debs
[12:35] <jmhodges> gahh..
[12:35] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, hoary?
[12:36] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: hoary
[12:36] <jmhodges> sorry, wasn't clear
[12:36] <jmhodges> mono-assemblies-* are an old version (1.0.2-1).. they apparently need to be 1.0.4-1
[12:36] <tjs_> anyone running hoary kde?
[12:37] <jkelly_> how do u get hoary kde?
[12:37] <jmhodges> ah, sorry
[12:37] <Riddell> tjs_: what's your question?
[12:37] <Riddell> jkelly_: apt-get install kde
[12:37] <jmhodges> its mono-jit.. it asks for mono-assemblies-base-1.0.4 but that deb is "uninstallable"
[12:37] <jkelly_> tried that. can't connect.
[12:37] <tjs_> the kde package has unmet deps, kontact-plugins and kpaint
[12:38] <jkelly_> i think the problem is on their side.
[12:38] <Riddell> tjs_: how about just kdelibs and kdebase?
[12:38] <tjs_> that will work :)
[12:38] <Riddell> tjs_: we're in the process of updating the kde packages so I guess the kde metapackage itself may be not quite right
[12:39] <jkelly_> that works.
[12:39] <tjs_> ah, k thanks :)
[12:39] <tjs_> to 3.2.2?
[12:39] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, hmmm no i dont get that
[12:39] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: well thats interesting..
[12:39] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: i have universe and even multiverse enabled
[12:39] <jmhodges> interesting..
[12:40] <jmhodges> mono-jit:
[12:40] <jmhodges>  Depends: mono-assemblies-base-1.0.4  but it is not installable
[12:40] <jkelly_> what's the next step after you install kdelibs?
[12:40] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, you using synaptic or apt at a cli
[12:41] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: both
[12:41] <Riddell> jkelly_: kdebase kdm   then  kdemultimedia and whatever you want
[12:41] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: just tried both i mean :)
[12:41] <Riddell> tjs: to 3.3.2
[12:41] <tjs> woot
[12:41] <Aure> linux_mafia, I've same problems than jmhodges
[12:41] <keenan> neato, worked perfectly
[12:42] <jkelly_> no, not working.
[12:43] <piyr> is there a network usage monitor with ubuntu, like how there is a cpu usage monitor?
[12:43] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, ok in synaptic, i looked at mono-jit, and yes there is a newer version, the one you mention, i forgot i have smart upgrade turned off, so i thought that was the problem, i mean, not getting the same error as you
[12:43] <jkelly_> yes
[12:43] <RubenV> piyr:
[12:43] <RubenV> yes
[12:44] <RubenV> the system monitor
[12:44] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, but an apt-get dist-upgrade dosent give me it either
[12:44] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: ah, ok..
[12:44] <jmhodges> linux_mafia: so.. where are we then?
[12:45] <piyr> RubenV, how to make it show network usage?  mine shows only cpu, memory, and swap.  tried preferences.
[12:46] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, it says my mono packages have been held back, i guess that disabling smart upgrade in synaptic has affected the cli aswell,  i guess it has put something in apt.conf
[12:46] <jmhodges> hmm..
[12:46] <jmhodges> well i have smart upgrade enabled over here
[12:46] <jmhodges> and damn.. now i have to go
[12:46] <RubenV> can't you check network?
[12:46] <linux_mafia> jmhodges, you will just have to wait until that package is uploaded
[12:47] <jmhodges> well, i've been waiting for like a week or so :-/.. hope it comes soon
[12:47] <jmhodges> thanks linux_mafia
[12:47] <jmhodges> later
[12:47] <linux_mafia> ok
[12:47] <tjs> er... xorg in hoary is built without composite ?
[12:48] <linux_mafia> tjs, no, its just not enable in the conf file
[12:48] <tjs> ah
[12:48] <linux_mafia> s/enable/enabled
[12:49] <tjs> cheers
[12:50] <linux_mafia> tjs, Section "Extensions" / Option "Composite" "Enable" / EndSection
[12:50] <piyr> RubenV, no i don't see that option
[12:51] <tjs> thanks :)
[12:51] <tjs> Xog.conf isnt in /etc/X11 ?
[12:52] <linux_mafia> tjs, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:52] <crimsun> it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf for hoary
[12:52] <scizzo> no one that has got the GLX stuff going with xorg and Nvidia cards?
[12:53] <linux_mafia> tjs, plus you know need xcompmgr, and transset, to actually do anything with the composite optin
[12:53] <tjs> yes, i know
[12:53] <linux_mafia>  /s/optin/option
[12:53] <linux_mafia> ok, just checking dude
[12:53] <tjs> odd
[12:54] <tjs> i did a dist-upgrade to horay and I have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:56] <tjs> dpkg -L xserver-xorg says the package doesnt provide one
[12:56] <tjs> do we roll our own?
[12:56] <linux_mafia> tjs, i had that, just trying to remember what was the cause
[12:56] <linux_mafia> oh
[12:56] <linux_mafia> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:57] <tjs> ah
[12:57] <tjs> cheers
[12:57] <linux_mafia> to write one, it dosen't convert the XF86Config-4 file
[01:01] <lexhider> I know it's a basic Q, but how do I create a new page for the wiki?
[01:01] <farruinn> lexhider, do you have an account?
[01:01] <farruinn> (they're free/open to anyone)
[01:02] <lexhider> yep
[01:03] <farruinn> ok, when I log in I see "add wiki page" in the dark brown bar under the "view" tab
[01:05] <bestadvocate> hey does anyone know of a repository with siag office?
[01:06] <scizzo> okay...so before I reboot my machine...again...I would like to ask if someone else then me has the problem with using keyboard layouts in xorg?
[01:06] <boxchat> hi all!i was here earlier looking for help with this thread, which i still havent resolved: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=33690&postcount=5
[01:06] <natex> quit
[01:06] <boxchat> can anyone offer any tips on it? (wireless networking related)
[01:06] <lexhider> ok, I was a little concerned I was changing the ChangeMe site, not actually knowing to change it, D'oh!
[01:07] <farruinn> lol
[01:08] <scizzo> it seems that if I run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart then gdm or X will not understand the options: XkbRules "xorg" and Driver "kbd"
[01:08] <scizzo> it changes the the z and the y
[01:08] <scizzo> so y is at z and z is at y
[01:08] <farruinn> definitely sounds like a bug to me.
[01:09] <farruinn> have you tried searching for a bug?
[01:09] <scizzo> no
[01:09] <scizzo> not yet
[01:09] <scizzo> reboot time...brb
[01:10] <boxchat> any devs/or people knowledgeable about wireless networking to offer advice?
[01:11] <pw> boxchat: I got mine working just today
[01:11] <Neill> boxchat: mine works.
[01:11] <Neill> 802.11b or g?
[01:11] <boxchat> g
[01:11] <pw> Card?
[01:12] <boxchat> they're both using the broadcom 94306 chipset.
[01:12] <boxchat> i think thats the right number
[01:12] <techn9ne> is there a native linxu driver for it
[01:12] <techn9ne> or you use ndiswrapper?
[01:12] <boxchat> techn9ne, using ndiswrapper
[01:12] <linux_mafia> hmmm, so quick to ask questions and leave, people these days
[01:13] <Neill> ooi on this subject has anyone fixed the problem with the default kernel's stack size?
[01:13] <Aure> what the name of the traditionnaly ttyUSB1 on ubuntu ?
[01:13] <boxchat> at the moment, my winxp box is running. iwlist wlan0 scan on the laptop detects the network setting, but i cant get a dhcp lease
[01:13] <Neill> someone was telling me yesterday that they had to recompile to make their driver work.
[01:13] <Neill> boxchat: does if show up with ifconfig?
[01:13] <boxchat> yeah, as wlan0
[01:13] <linux_mafia> scizzo, in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf change Driver "kbd" to Driver "keyboard"
[01:14] <crimsun> Neill: the what?
[01:14] <crimsun> Neill: what are you referencing for 4k vs 8k?
[01:14] <scizzo> linux_mafia: why...it works now
[01:14] <scizzo> linux_mafia: kbd should work fine
[01:15] <Neill> crimsun: A new ubuntu user at work who was complaining about this.
[01:15] <crimsun> Neill: no, what program context
[01:15] <crimsun> what application
[01:16] <Neill> well the windows driver (loaded using ndiswrapper) paniced the kernel with the default stack size but worked with a larger one.
[01:16] <Neill> if I understood what he was saying.
[01:16] <Neill> I was pondering if it would be possible to get a kernel compiled like that included in the distribution.
[01:17] <Neill> (probably going to run into issues supporting non gpled drivers I would imagine)
[01:17] <boxchat> i'm not getting panic or anything. dmesg output all seems normal
[01:17] <linux_mafia> scizzo, yes your right sorry, that should have been the other way, keyboard is depreciated
[01:17] <crimsun> if the driver is included in linux-restricted-modules-foo, then it works. I can't speak for ndiswrapper
[01:17] <RuffianSoldier> im running Hoary - and the new KDE 3.3.2 is in repos - but I cant get it.  Anyone know any other way I can get KDE? PS - I Love Gnome - just gotta test the new KDE
[01:18] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: what's keeping you from getting it?
[01:18] <linux_mafia> scizzo, i just read a doc the other day about differences in xorg and xfree config, and my memory was a bit cloudy, just looked again to refresh
[01:18] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun - go to #flood
[01:19] <scizzo> linux_mafia: the kbd is working fine....but as soon as I run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart then the y and z gets switched...if I change it to use xfree86 and keyboard or just keyboard no changes are made when I restart the service again
[01:20] <Riddell> RuffianSoldier: if archive.ubuntu is down you could try and see if a mirror has got it
[01:20] <linux_mafia> scizzo, which version of xorg
[01:20] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: you don't need 'kde'
[01:21] <crimsun> just install the main metapackages referenced by kde
[01:21] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun - I know - I want it
[01:21] <scizzo> 6.8.1
[01:21] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: leave out the metapackages that haven't been recompiled yet
[01:21] <RuffianSoldier> how?
[01:21] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: apt-cache show kde|grep Depends
[01:22] <RuffianSoldier> then what?
[01:22] <crimsun> install the metapackages listed there except for the ones that aren't available
[01:23] <linux_mafia> scizzo, yeah, that was the other thing that was confusing me, xorg 6.7.x and xfree 4.4 both use keyboard, and xorg 6.8.x uses kbd iirc
[01:23] <scizzo> ok
[01:23] <pusling> what packages does a ubuntu need to get started? I have some problems in the install process and I try to repair it using a live-cd. Is there a standardpackage installing what I need?
[01:23] <scizzo> well I am going to test another thing now
[01:24] <linux_mafia> scizzo, which is odd because if thats the case, im using xorg 6.8.1 myself, and the keyboard driver
[01:24] <farruinn> pusling: look at what's in the "base" section in synaptic perhaps
[01:26] <scizzo> linux_mafia: I can try it again if you want to
[01:27] <scizzo> linux_mafia: have you tried doing changes or even tried /etc/init.d/gdm restart?
[01:28] <scizzo> linux_mafia: its not when it first boots up...that works fine when it goes from a reboot or something...its when I need to restart X that it changes the keys
[01:28] <scizzo> tried using the keyboard driver now...I still get the same result
[01:29] <linux_mafia> ok, that sounds like some kind of a bug then
[01:30] <linux_mafia> scizzo, but ive not seen similar problems
[01:30] <pusling> it is quite funny to install apt ...
[01:30] <scizzo> linux_mafia: the logfile is happy with kbd
[01:30] <scizzo> reboot again
[01:30] <scizzo> brb
[01:33] <Gaaruto> hello
[01:33] <scizzo> nice...seems like the GLX stuff is working now for me.. :)
[01:35] <Gaaruto> my xmms dont want run again :(
[01:35] <Gaaruto> someone knox this  : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7477 ?
[01:36] <pusling> farruinn: there is a package called ubuntu-base
[01:37] <farruinn> pusling: ah, there you go
[01:37] <pusling> ...but it was during the base system install it crashed last time ...
[01:38] <linux_mafia> Gaaruto, what version of xmms?
[01:39] <Gaaruto> linux_mafia, xmms 1.2.10
[01:39] <linux_mafia> Gaaruto, full version, ie mine is 1.2.10-1.4ubuntu1
[01:40] <Gaaruto> 1.2.10-1.4ubuntu1
[01:40] <linux_mafia> hmmm
[01:40] <Gaaruto> :(
[01:40] <wurstl007> kann mir jemand bei der mp3 wiedergabe helfen?
[01:41] <pusling> is there a packages.debian.org - just for ubuntu?
[01:41] <farruinn> pusling: unfortunately no
[01:41] <farruinn> apt-cache search and apt-cache show are helpful though
[01:42] <pusling> farruinn: argf... yeah - but I need to install those packages :/
[01:42] <scizzo> Nvidia GLX works just fine in hoary now
[01:42] <scizzo> time to sleep....
[01:42] <_void> hello all
[01:42] <linux_mafia> Gaaruto, i was getting the same error the other day, but its righted itself, if you are running the same version as me and seeing the problem, it is most likely related to one of its depends, have you done an upgrade recently?
[01:42] <farruinn> pusling: apt-cache show will tell you what it depends on
[01:42] <_void> anyone here using a radeop 9800 xt ?
[01:43] <_void> radeon*
[01:43] <scizzo> night
[01:43] <crimsun> Gaaruto: sorry, I was helping you with that last time.
[01:43] <farruinn> pusling: you can download the files directly from http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/
[01:44] <crimsun> Gaaruto: could you pass me the url where you posted the strace output?
[01:44] <Gaaruto> linux_mafia, this afternoon at 1am (i m in France)
[01:44] <wurstl007> i cant manage playing mp3 files with ubuntu, although ia already installed the lame codec could anybody help me
[01:44] <linux_mafia> Gaaruto, using french server? or master repo? mirrors are sometimes a little (or a lot) behnid
[01:45] <pusling> farruinn: I have a wartymirror on my local network - I like that :)
[01:45] <Aure> good night
[01:45] <_void> wurstl007, lame codec is for ENCODING mp3s not PLAYING
[01:45] <farruinn> pusling: ooh, lucky you =)
[01:45] <linux_mafia> wurstl007, play mp3s in/with what?
[01:45] <Gaaruto> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7477 ? --> there is the same problem crimsun , look at this
[01:45] <_void> wurstl007, there is a tutorial on the wiki if you go look#
[01:45] <crimsun> Gaaruto: I already did, but the strace output is lacking
[01:45] <Gaaruto> linux_mafia, no french server
[01:45] <crimsun> Gaaruto: I need the entire strace output
[01:46] <linux_mafia> wurstl007, also lame is for encoding (making) mp3s, not playing them
[01:46] <pusling> farruinn: the debmirror-command makes nice mirrors ;)
[01:46] <linux_mafia> Gaaruto, oh ok, heh
[01:47] <wurstl007> linux_mafia, oh what shall i use then
[01:47] <Gaaruto> crimsun, could you remind me the command to put the result in a file please ?
[01:48] <linux_mafia> wurstl007, well what do you want to use to play mp3s?
[01:50] <linux_mafia> wurstl007, sudo apt-get install madplay, will get you going, you need to enable universe repo though
[01:52] <linux_mafia> wurstl007, gstreamer08-mad for mp3s in rythmbox
[01:52] <wurstl007> linux_mafia, thanks i'm trying this at he moment
[01:53] <linux_mafia> wurstl007, yeah sorry, madplay by itself was not what i meant to say
[01:53] <creeperz> I HATE CRACK WHORES!
[01:53] <creeperz> there im out of the closet!
[01:53] <creeperz> i HATE CRACK WHORES!!!!!
[01:54] <creeperz> if you see a crack whore, shoot on sight!!
[01:54] <creeperz> anyone with me?
[01:55] <wurstl007> linux_mafia, anyway thw wiki seems to work just fine :) thanks
[01:55] <creeperz> i know bam is!
[01:55] <arctick> yeah man, crack whores rule
[01:55] <creeperz> arctick: NO!!! KILL CRACK WHORES!
[01:55] <amathis> arctick: don't encourage him.
[01:55] <creeperz> because amathis wants to lecture me about their rights and bullshit
[01:55] <creeperz> and how i should have sympathy for them
[01:56] <pusling> who have operpower in here?
[01:56] <creeperz> and something about horse sex and him being addicted to stuff so he provides sexual favors
[01:56] <amathis> ...
[01:56] <huttan> creeperz, the point being?
[01:56] <creeperz> well, all i wanted to say was that i hate lectures
[01:56] <creeperz> especially when i dotn care
[01:56] <arctick> crack whores are no worse than normal whores, a whore is a whore, and how is it anyones buisness anyway?
[01:57] <creeperz> good point
[01:57] <amathis> arctick: he just likes bringing conversations into other channels.
[01:57] <creeperz> KILL ALL WHORES!!
[01:57] <creeperz> amathis: this is my first time :-)
[01:57] <pusling> ./ignore creeperz
[01:57] <arctick> hmm, the bad thing about channels with no ops
[01:57] <creeperz> well, im out :-)
[01:57] <creeperz> peace
[01:58] <creeperz> tell Gmail i said howdy
[02:00] <huttan> anyone knows what can be wrong if my kernel only finds 882mb ram, but i have 1gb total?
[02:01] <crimsun> huttan: install an optimised kernel
[02:01] <crimsun> huttan: what cpu do you have?
[02:01] <huttan> crimsun, I think i have, just thinking there is some strange option i forgot then that you could let me know about
[02:01] <huttan> crimsun, p4 3.2ghz HT
[02:01] <amathis> huttan: nice comp :)
[02:02] <huttan> work late shift...lots of cash no life :p
[02:02] <crimsun> huttan: and uname -r reports 2.6.8.1-3-686-smp?
[02:02] <huttan> crimsun, i installed 2.6.9
[02:02] <crimsun> huttan: from hoary or self-compiled or...?
[02:02] <huttan> crimsun, selfcompiled ofcourse
[02:02] <crimsun> Gaaruto: strace -o foo.txt -fF xmms
[02:03] <crimsun> huttan: then you didn't enable highmem support
[02:03] <crimsun> huttan: recompile with it enabled
[02:03] <huttan> crimsun, i need highmem support for 1gb ram ?
[02:03] <crimsun> yes
[02:03] <huttan> oh, thought it was only for like 4gb and really high shit like that
[02:03] <huttan> thanks alot
[02:03] <linux_mafia> who else in here has 1GB of ram? anyone?
[02:04] <crimsun> I do
[02:04] <crimsun> or 1.5 depending on the machine
[02:04] <huttan> crimsun, i set it for 4gb ?
[02:04] <crimsun> huttan: yes
[02:04] <mxpxpod> how do I make kernel-header packages that aren't empty?
[02:04] <huttan> that might explain why things are running slow for me ?
[02:04] <linux_mafia> hmm, just wondered if many people did
[02:04] <crimsun> huttan: it shouldn't
[02:05] <huttan> crimsun, X seems to lagg for some strange reason..and everything is set up right
[02:06] <JDahl> crimsun, isnt highmem support enabled by default? and for debian also?
[02:06] <JDahl> linux_mafia, I have 2gb and often that's not enough for my simulations
[02:07] <crimsun> JDahl: for non -386, yes, but that's irrelevant for huttan, who compiled his own kernel
[02:08] <pusling> what kernel are ubuntu shipped with? kernel-image-2.6.7-1-386 are in universe?
[02:08] <crimsun> pusling: Warty ships with patched 2.6.8.1
[02:08] <crimsun> pusling: Hoary currently has patched 2.6.9
[02:09] <pusling> crimsun: so what is the name of the kernel package? (I need to do some manual instal)
[02:10] <crimsun> pusling: for what, Warty? Hoary?
[02:10] <pusling> warty
[02:10] <crimsun> pusling: and what do you want, the image or the source or the headers? What cpu do you have?
[02:10] <pusling> the image - 386
[02:11] <crimsun> linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-386
[02:11] <crimsun> (from warty-security)
[02:11] <Gaaruto> for a pentium 4 with hypertreading, is 686 or 686smp ?
[02:12] <jbroome> smp
[02:12] <Gaaruto> thaks
[02:12] <Gaaruto> thanks
[02:12] <huttan> crimsun, is there some special option for dual-ddr or does the kernel autodetect that ?
[02:12] <crimsun> huttan: irrelevant for RAM.
[02:13] <huttan> crimsun, kk
[02:16] <pusling> hmm.. some one at the ubuntu shipping center cannot count ... (ordered 20 - 4 arrived)
[02:17] <JDahl> pusling, where do you check that? I want to see what happened to my CDs
[02:18] <pusling> JDahl: I can remember what I ordered - and it is printed on the envelope what I have ordered (20). They have just arrived today (4).
[02:18] <crimsun> Gaaruto: are you using Warty or Hoary?
[02:19] <Gaaruto> CraHan_, hoary
[02:19] <Gaaruto> crimsun, hoary
[02:19] <Gaaruto> sorry
[02:19] <Gaaruto> :)
[02:19] <crimsun> Gaaruto: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'
[02:21] <Gaaruto> sudo dpkg ?
[02:21] <crimsun> nope
[02:21] <Gaaruto> ok
[02:21] <crimsun> just as a regular user is fine
[02:22] <crimsun> eek, I flubbed the package name
[02:22] <Gaaruto> dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-386|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'
[02:23] <crimsun> yep, that'll work.
[02:23] <Gaaruto> and now ?
[02:23] <Gaaruto> that's all ?
[02:23] <crimsun> what does it return?
[02:23] <Gaaruto> nothing
[02:24] <Gaaruto> sory
[02:24] <Gaaruto> there is something
[02:24] <Gaaruto> 2.6.9.7
[02:24] <Gaaruto> 2.6.9-7
[02:24] <crimsun> Gaaruto: can you update && upgrade please?
[02:25] <Gaaruto> yes i can
[02:25] <crimsun> after the update && upgrade, please reboot and try xmms again
[02:27] <pusling> how do I see if I have grub installed?
[02:27] <Gaaruto> i have upgrading my system this afternoon but there are new packages now
[02:27] <crimsun> pusling: /boot/grub/* exists
[02:27] <crimsun> Gaaruto: indeed, you'll note that there's a 2.6.9-8
[02:29] <Gaaruto> i have this message when i update with ftp://nerim... in my sources.list : GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907"
[02:29] <Gaaruto> what does it mean ?
[02:30] <crimsun> Gaaruto: disregard it for now
[02:30] <Gaaruto> ok
[02:31] <crimsun> Gaaruto: it means the public key used to sign packages from marillat's repository has not been merged into root's keychain
[02:32] <pusling> argff.. no vim either
[02:32] <farruinn> pusling: /usr/bin/vim
[02:32] <Gaaruto> i reboot
[02:32] <pusling> farruinn: not installed yet... apt-get install vim are installing something, but things are quite slow my end :)
[02:33] <farruinn> oh =(
[02:33] <farruinn> right, forgot that you were installing some stuff by hand
[02:34] <pusling> farruinn: I am trying to use qemu which is a gpl wannabe clone of vmware. It is not working 100% (and my computer is quite old)
[02:35] <farruinn> ah, I use a mac, so I don't know anything about vmware
[02:35] <farruinn> or qemu
[02:35] <pusling> qemu is working for macs as well I think ;)
[02:35] <farruinn> this is emulation software we're talking about, right?
[02:36] <pusling> jup
[02:36] <pusling> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/
[02:36] <GotD0t> anybody know if i can set the wordcompletion in OO.org to tab instead of enter?
[02:37] <Gaaruto> ok xmms work
[02:37] <Gaaruto> thanks
[02:38] <Gaaruto> but can you explain me what is the command you have give me ?
[02:39] <Gaaruto> crimsun,
[02:39] <Gaaruto> ?
[02:39] <hazza96> It gives him root access to your box
[02:39] <hazza96> just kidding :)
[02:39] <Gaaruto> :)
[02:39] <pusling> *lol*
[02:40] <pusling> Gaaruto: is it the grep awk command?
[02:40] <crimsun> Gaaruto: which command?
[02:40] <crimsun> Gaaruto: I didn't do any work at all; daniels did.
[02:40] <Gaaruto> this command : "dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'"
[02:41] <crimsun> Gaaruto: that's my incorrect version (which you corrected) of printing the version of the package installed
[02:41] <Gaaruto> that's all ?
[02:41] <Gaaruto> lol
[02:41] <crimsun> Gaaruto: note in the changelog for linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9 (2.6.9-8) that: * Remove previous patches to nvidia-glx and sync back with Debian patches from new Debian 6629 packages, fixing segfaults (closes: Ubuntu#4640).
[02:42] <pusling> Gaaruto: try only the dpkg part and skip |grep ....
[02:42] <Gaaruto> great
[02:43] <Gaaruto> thanks a lot
[02:43] <hazza96> does anyone play Americas Army on their ubuntu box?
[02:44] <K-otiK> does anyone know how to copy an iso onto your hd using ubuntu?
[02:44] <K-otiK> or a DVD?
[02:44] <hazza96> has anyone tried running a Bynari server on an ubuntu box?
[02:44] <hazza96> K-otiK: do you want to access the contents of the iso?
[02:45] <|QuaD-> Bynari? whats that
[02:45] <K-otiK> no, i want to take for example slackware, and put it on my box and available for download
[02:45] <hazza96> It's a mail server that provides the same functionality as an Exchange server
[02:45] <K-otiK> and have it*
[02:46] <|QuaD-> oh
[02:46] <hazza96> www.bynari.net
[02:46] <hazza96> It can run on Debian after you do a a conversion of the RPM using alien
[02:46] <pusling> isn't it just cat /dev/cdrom > new.iso ?
[02:47] <hazza96> pusling: no
[02:47] <|QuaD-> why not just use a groupware, like phpgroupware, for exchange type stuffs
[02:47] <hazza96> you need to use mkisofs
[02:48] <hazza96> |QuaD-: the clients use Outlook and plugins from other programs
[02:48] <Gaaruto> crimsun, you tell me, about GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim..., "the public key used to sign packages from marillat's repository has not been merged into root's keychain"
[02:48] <Gaaruto> what can i do ?
[02:48] <Gaaruto> to resolv it ?
[02:49] <|QuaD-> hazza96: ohh
[02:49] <homer> do CD-ROM drives have jumpers?
[02:49] <crimsun> Gaaruto: nothing atm because he doesn't sign his packages :)
[02:49] <homer> I tried two ubuntu installation cds
[02:49] <homer> but both had "corrupted" data
[02:49] <homer> at the same time, both worked on my laptop
[02:49] <pusling> homer: yeah - master and slave
[02:49] <homer> i never configured any jumpers
[02:49] <homer> so that could be a cause
[02:50] <homer> k
[02:50] <pusling> does the cdrom work with <another os
[02:50] <pusling> ?
[02:50] <|QuaD-> the cableselect jumber on a cdrom should do the trick
[02:50] <Gaaruto> crimsun, we can't use nerim sources now ?
[02:51] <crimsun> Gaaruto: sure you can - you are
[02:51] <crimsun> Gaaruto: that's just a warning regarding the missing key
[02:51] <crimsun> Gaaruto: it's not a fatal error
[02:51] <Gaaruto> ok
[02:52] <Gaaruto> because it is a debian package, right ?
[02:52] <Gaaruto> or not ?
[02:52] <Gaaruto> :)
[02:52] <crimsun> (the intention is to authenticate the binary packages so you know that the person/machine who claims to have created the package is actually the creator of the package you're downloading)
[02:53] <Gaaruto> ok
[02:53] <Gaaruto> thanks a lot crimsun for all
[02:54] <Gaaruto> i going to sleep (3am here :)
[02:54] <Gaaruto> bye
[02:54] <crimsun> (one of the long-standing gripes against apt is that it isn't able to authenticate the packages. The infrastructure has actually been in place for a long time; last year the work picked up a lot of speed. It looks like Ubuntu will be the first Debian-based distro to implement a couple things like compressing packages and release files with bzip2 instead of gzip and signing packages)
[02:55] <Gaaruto> ok
[02:55] <mike998> crimsun: thanks for the headsup
[02:55] <mike998> sounds pretty cool
[02:55] <Gaaruto> bye all
[02:56] <crimsun> later
[02:56] <mike998> silly question for everyone here... does anyone know of linux based software I could use to transfer mp3s on to my USB connected MiniDisc player ?
[02:57] <|QuaD-> mike998: how are the discs formatted?
[02:57] <|QuaD-> are they like minicds?
[02:57] <|QuaD-> or are they are propietary protocol?
[02:57] <linux_mafia> mike998, what brand is the thing?
[02:57] <linux_mafia> mike998, oh, and model
[02:58] <|QuaD-> linux_mafia: i am guessing sony
[02:58] <mike998> it is for a MD walkman MZ-N420D
[02:58] <mike998> (reading off the front of the device)
[02:59] <|QuaD-> mike998: how do you transfer music on with windows?
[02:59] <mike998> one of the newer NetMD ones
[02:59] <mike998> |QuaD|: when I ran windows I used teh sony software...  I'd like to avoid using it any more
[03:00] <mike998> sorry about the typos - I am trying to find the CD right now
[03:00] <|QuaD-> mike998: its not like a drag and drop windows explorer thing?
[03:01] <mike998> hang on...  I will try.  I don't think it is, though as Sony tend to use their own protocols and compression schemes (I believe it's Atrac for this thing)
[03:02] <mike998> Hmmm - I have connected it via USB and nothing on the dmesg
[03:03] <|QuaD-> mike998: google for some information, but i don't think its possible
[03:03] <mike998> oh ho!  what's this?
[03:03] <mike998> usb 1-2.1: new full speed USB device using address 4
[03:04] <mike998> okay - I will see what google says
[03:04] <linux_mafia> mike998, http://www.pdr.cx/projects/gnetmd/main/
[03:04] <Se7h> hey
[03:04] <Se7h> can u tell the meaning of this please
[03:04] <Se7h> i mean
[03:04] <linux_mafia> mike998, gnetmd looks promising, and there are deb packages
[03:04] <Se7h> whats its for exactly
[03:04] <Se7h> The Ubuntu Backports project's goal is to provide a stable AND up-to-date Ubuntu Linux system by backporting desktop applications from Ubuntu's Development branches and Debian Sid.
[03:05] <mike998> linux_mafia: how do I install from deb?  I've used RPM in the past... not sure about deb
[03:05] <|QuaD-> Se7h: do you want update popular programs like gaim, ooo, and firefox?
[03:05] <linux_mafia> mike998, you are using ubuntu right?
[03:05] <|QuaD-> backports puts stable UP TO DATE releases in their repo, for warty
[03:05] <Se7h> |QuaD| synaptic?
[03:05] <mike998> linux_mafia: Yep...  This is the longest I have ever run linux
[03:06] <linux_mafia> heh
[03:06] <Se7h> ah
[03:06] <Se7h> hmm
[03:06] <|QuaD-> Se7h: synaptic what
[03:06] <Se7h> forget it
[03:06] <|QuaD-> Se7h: remember anything on those are not supported
[03:06] <djtansey> does anyone here have a PDA that they sync with evolution? i'm trying to figure out what to purchase this holiday season. i need a new organizer desperately. esp one that syncs easily.
[03:06] <mike998> linux_mafia: Can I add the URL to the synaptic repositories?
[03:06] <|QuaD-> djtansey: zaurus
[03:06] <linux_mafia> mike998, no
[03:06] <|QuaD-> i don't have one but they are great
[03:07] <mike998> djtansey: I have an Palm Tungsten E that is syncing very well
[03:07] <mike998> linux_mafia: okay...
[03:07] <linux_mafia> mike998, repos need to have certain files to make them work in that way
[03:07] <mjg59> djtansey: Any PocketPC device ought to in Hoary
[03:07] <mjg59> But there's no Evolution 2 plugin for the Multisync in Warty
[03:08] <djtansey> mike998: what don't you like about it? anything?
[03:08] <mike998> djtansey: about the palm itself?
[03:08] <djtansey> mjg59: i have hard time getting myself to use pocketPCs, do palms not sync as well?
[03:08] <djtansey> mike998: yeah. the device or your experience with it.
[03:08] <|QuaD-> mjg59: palms are kind of behind the technology... i reccomend a pocketpc like ipaq... cheap with loads of feature
[03:08] <|QuaD-> s
[03:08] <|QuaD-> and you can put linux on the ipaq
[03:09] <mike998> djtansey: I have to use a SD card reader to move files to my SD card.  The battery will only last for about an hour playing MP3s
[03:09] <djtansey> |QuaD: i had a zaurus. it recently died. it wasn't the best designed thing in the world
[03:09] <djtansey> mike998: one hour? that's not long.
[03:09] <mike998> otherwise, it's not too shabby - works for me... your milage may vary
[03:09] <linux_mafia> mike998, just dl the latest versions of the gnetmd packages that end with .deb, you can install single debs using, sudo dpkg -i <file.deb>
[03:09] <mike998> djtansey: yeah, hence the reason I have bought myself a minidisc player
[03:09] <mike998> linux_mafia: okay - I will try that... thanks
[03:10] <|QuaD-> djtansey: i want the sl-6000, but so expensive compared to an ipaq
[03:10] <linux_mafia> |QuaD-, familiar/opie was kinda shitty when i tried it, is it better now?
[03:10] <|QuaD-> linux_mafia: never used it
[03:11] <|QuaD-> i would do anything for a pda with linux on it again
[03:11] <|QuaD-> though that would mean i would have to remove thunderbird
[03:11] <djtansey> mike998: how is it with handwriting input? how about battery life generally? how well/easily does it sync?
[03:11] <linux_mafia> |QuaD-, what distro did you use on your ipaq?
[03:12] <|QuaD-> i didn't mean again... lol... i have only had palms
[03:12] <|QuaD-> i use a t-mobile sidekick now... which is my pim
[03:12] <mike998> djtansey: ubuntu is the first time I have managed to get this to sync with my pc when it doesn't run windoes
[03:12] <|QuaD-> i am waititng to get a pda until the sidekick can sink with linux
[03:13] <linux_mafia> |QuaD-, when i had linux on my ipaq, it looked kool, everything worked well, but man, i got like a third to a quarter the battery life i got with win
[03:13] <djtansey> mike998: that's encouraging.
[03:13] <djtansey> mike: warty?
[03:13] <|QuaD-> linux_mafia: i want a pda for functionality and a pdaphone for pim
[03:13] <mike998> djtansey: Otherwise, it's not too bad.  The only problem I have with it is that the batteries don't last as long as I would like.  And added to the fact that the SD card can't be used as a type of USB drive...
[03:14] <mike998> djtansey: yep warty
[03:14] <miausX> hi! :)
[03:14] <mjg59> djtansey: I don't have any Palm devices
[03:14] <djtansey> mike998: that's the SD people's fault. hopefully my ibm x40's SD card reader will work sometime soon. do you sync via a cradle? and how long is your battery generally?
[03:15] <marcellus> Which authentication system should one use. Just feels limited to use .htaccess and similar instead of having one systemwide system.
[03:15] <mjg59> I didn't like the Zaurus when I had one
[03:15] <mjg59> Qtopia seemed fairly nasty
[03:15] <mjg59> It may well be better now
[03:16] <mike998> djtansey: battery tends to last a fair while.  I'd been having some problems with a rogue application that wouldn't allow the device to shut off and it's screwed the batteries a little... they only last for a day when the device is on
[03:16] <|QuaD-> are their any debian based distros?
[03:16] <mike998> djtansey: I sync via USB
[03:16] <thenuke> |QuaD-: are there any? there sure are.
[03:17] <thenuke> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=are+there+any+debian+based+distros&btnG=Search
[03:17] <mjg59> |QuaD-: You can run Debian on an ipaq. It's not a great idea, though.
[03:17] <djtansey> mike998: cool.
[03:17] <djtansey> mike: thanks.
[03:17] <Se7h> apt-got builds and supervises a partial (or full) Debian mirror, that is filled on-the-fly by apt-get requests. But there's more! Its modular mirror engine is ready for customized mirroring algos. So you can easily make your own module! (Eg for apt4rpm)
[03:17] <|QuaD-> thenuke: i meant for pda's... lol
[03:17] <Se7h> nice
[03:17] <mike998> no problems
[03:17] <thenuke> oh ok :)
[03:17] <|QuaD-> mjg59: really?
[03:17] <mjg59> |QuaD-: Familiar is Debian-based, but has smaller packages
[03:18] <mjg59> |QuaD-: Debian doesn't try to make packages small. This is less than ideal if you only have 64MB of storage.
[03:18] <|QuaD-> mjg59: thats the type of thing i wanted
[03:18] <|QuaD-> mjg59: what does zaurus use... what distro
[03:18] <mjg59> |QuaD-: The Zaurus uses something Familiar based, I think
[03:18] <mjg59> It's Debianish
[03:19] <|QuaD-> oh
[03:19] <|QuaD-> i wish they didn't discontinue the zaurus sl-6000
[03:19] <Cloudchaser> a 5500
[03:19] <miausX> |QuaD-, are you asking about a small debian based distro? maybe feather linux (62M), damn small linux (50M)...
[03:19] <Cloudchaser> i wish they sold the clamshell ones here
[03:20] <|QuaD-> miausX: now a pda distro... miausX dsl is an amazing distro
[03:20] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: no wifi or bluetooth builtin :(
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> yah but its what there is
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> right now there's not much else for an alternative
[03:21] <miausX> |QuaD oh... pda... sorry, I have installed feather linux into my usb stick, but no idea about pda's :(
[03:21] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i would be satisfied with an sl-6000 if they weren't 3x the price of the competition
[03:21] <Cloudchaser> its so big though
[03:21] <Cloudchaser> i like the clamshell
[03:21] <Cloudchaser> always have..dreamed of having a nice little clamshell handheld ever since my old jornada fried
[03:21] <Cloudchaser> but i can't afford 800.00 or so to buy one
[03:22] <Cloudchaser> how much was the 6000 going for?
[03:22] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: any idea why zaurus's are soo expensive?
[03:22] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: about $600
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> well the clamshells are expensive because they're resold here by some companies...imported
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> the 6000 probly because of all the stuff it has and it was aimed at enterprise users
[03:23] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i hear there is one being sold in america
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> sharp really hosed it
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> the whole user community really
[03:23] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: what you think of the new clamshell
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> i would love one
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> 4 gig hard drive is cool
[03:24] <Cloudchaser> nice long battery and nice screen i think
[03:24] <Cloudchaser> never saw one in person though
[03:24] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: still upset about no wifi
[03:24] <Cloudchaser> yah that would be nice
[03:24] <Cloudchaser> i have a card though and really don't use the wifi much outside the house
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> haven't run into too many places i could use it
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> rather have longer battery
[03:25] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: hmm, i neeed it
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> and..there's still some apps i can't do on it so i have an old treo90 for palm apps
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> i agree it should be an option on the models
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> same with bluetooth
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> but sharp is catering to japanese users
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> and apparently its not a priority there
[03:27] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: yeah.... i still have a while before i give up my sidekick or they offer sync, so I am not seriously looking yet
[03:28] <Cloudchaser> i love the sidekick's looks but wouldn't get one because i like to add stuff
[03:28] <Cloudchaser> if i could afford it i'd probly get a treo 600
[03:28] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i love it. the restrictions make it an advantage, imho
[03:28] <|QuaD-> it has NEVER crashed on me
[03:28] <|QuaD-> my palm crashed weekly from everything i added
[03:29] <miausX> hum... I'm thinking about update to hoary (to test, send bug reports... you know). Is hoary buggy right now? Can I upgrade without problems or I should wait a few days?
[03:30] <miausX> Now I'm working in the wiki, but I want to be a bit more involved :)
[03:30] <|QuaD-> miausX: now it is pretty nice, last week i was down for aobut 4 days
[03:31] <miausX> oks, thanks |QuaD :)
[03:31] <Cloudchaser> |QuaD i like mine too although since i have an app i need on the palm i mostly carry that..but i have so many cool z apps too that i use
[03:31] <fulvioo> I updated these days, and I havent found a problem yet
[03:31] <Cloudchaser> i like being able to vnc to it and ssh and all that
[03:31] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: they make an ssh app, and are about to release the vnc one
[03:31] <Cloudchaser> you have the 6000?
[03:32] <miausX> hum... you were down? hoary didn't boot?
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> |QuaD I have those already
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> for the 5500...
[03:32] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i don't mind paying for most apps if i plan to use them, but the ssh app is $10 (most are 4.99 or 2.99)
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> oh for the sidekick?
[03:32] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: yea
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> oh i see
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> but i have verizon wireless
[03:33] <|QuaD-> i can't see spending $10 for ssh so i haven't purchased it yet
[03:33] <Cloudchaser> so i can't get one of those
[03:33] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: what phone
[03:33] <Cloudchaser> an old lg vx4400
[03:33] <Cloudchaser> i'd get the treo if i could afford it and the data service ;)
[03:33] <Cloudchaser> but i'm a bit underemployed at the moment
[03:34] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: thats my problem with any company EXCEPT t-mobile... i pay so little for my phones and service
[03:34] <Cloudchaser> right but the coverage area wasn't as good as verizon's
[03:34] <Cloudchaser> and now i'm stuck for 2 years ;)
[03:34] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i live in boston, every service has decent coverage
[03:34] <Cloudchaser> ah
[03:35] <Cloudchaser> i live in florida and like to have phone whereever i go.. in CT there were lots of bad spots with tmobile from what friends told me...not sure how it is here in florida
[03:36] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i live about 70% in boston, 30% in NYC.... both of which do fine wiht most companies
[03:36] <Cloudchaser> what about in between along the way?
[03:36] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: i drive.... i lose service for about 10 minutes on the border of mass and ct
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> when i lived in CT i was all over the state hiking and stuff.. verizon was the only one who had service in all areas
[03:38] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: dont forget, i drive on major highways the whole time though... so any company that DOESN"T have service there is in trouble
[03:39] <Cloudchaser> hehe true
[03:39] <Cloudchaser> i was out in the boonies alot ;)
[03:39] <Freedomzen> is this the ubuntu linux channel or a cell phone commercial
[03:39] <Freedomzen> :D
[03:39] <miausX> lol
[03:39] <Cloudchaser> sorry
[03:39] <Freedomzen> kiddin man
[03:39] <Freedomzen> rant on
[03:39] <Dank12345> Hi, I was wondering if you can install windows XP onto a computer that has Ubuntu on it, I have the partitions already, and that.
[03:39] <|QuaD-> Freedomzen: haha... :)
[03:39] <Cloudchaser> i'll ask an ubuntu question and maybe someone can answer this time ;)
[03:39] <miausX> Cloudchaser, no problem :D
[03:40] <|QuaD-> Dank12345: you can
[03:40] <thenuke> Dank12345: sure you can :) you just cant boot yourself to ubuntu then ;)
[03:40] <thenuke> but that can be fixed
[03:40] <hazza96> wow, there are 270+ ppl in this channel
[03:40] <hazza96> is this an indication of how much support it needs or that ubuntu has a strong community?
[03:40] <Dank12345> Do I just do the install, cause Im afraid that the ubuntu might get screwed up, and then I have to install everything again.
[03:40] <miausX> of course... a grub boot disk, knoppix... :)
[03:40] <Cloudchaser> sometimes when i start my pc up or restart it it halts on booting with an error: note: mount [201]  exit with preempt_count 1
[03:41] <miausX> hazza96, both ;D
[03:41] <|QuaD-> Cloudchaser: thats maybe an answer for a developer
[03:41] <hazza96> lol
[03:41] <thenuke> Dank12345: if you have not heavily customized your ubuntu yet and so on :) it just might be easier to install XP, and then re-install ubuntu :)
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> i had just reinstalled windows 2000 partiton and it didn't write over grub
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> which surprised me
[03:42] <hazza96> Cloudchaser: something went wrong with the Win2K install then
[03:42] <miausX> thenuke, you are right :)
[03:42] <hazza96> :)
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> the windows side has a problem now too..something about not being a windows 2k partition
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> but the windows install works ok
[03:42] <miausX> O.o
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> i don't use it much ;)
[03:42] <thenuke> Dank12345: ubuntu itself will not be screwed up, but the bootloader of ubuntu will be lost.
[03:42] <Dank12345> so you are saying its easier to put ubuntu on a computer that has woiindows, than to put windows onto a comp tat has ubuntu?
[03:43] <Dank12345> SO then can I just make a copy of it
[03:43] <|QuaD-> Dank12345: yup
[03:43] <Dank12345> or somehow get around that>?
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> but i still have some apps i need on it that don'tw work on linux...but i wonder why it didn't write over the grub
[03:43] <Se7h> sorry for the spam
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> i was happy it didn't, mind you, so i didn't have to try to rebuild it from the live CD
[03:43] <thenuke> that can be fixed, yes, but if you have to ask this question you asked :) I must say that it would be best if you could install windows xp first and then install ubuntu again. Thay way, ubuntu will make you an bootloader where you choose if you want to boot linux or windows
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> but i was going to try to do that
[03:44] <Dank12345> Sucks...
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> i think i'll start all over again with an empty hd on my laptop, although i have ubuntu all nice and set up now
[03:44] <thenuke> Dank12345: a bit yes.
[03:44] <Dank12345> I was hoping I could leave the ubuntu
[03:44] <miausX> Cloudchaser, the only program I need (for windows) is Borland Turbo C++ (my teacher... you know), but I have dosemu + freedos + tc++ from de Borland museum :D
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> hehe me too Dank12345
[03:44] <thenuke> Dank12345: but after all, it wont take so long to install them both :)
[03:45] <Dank12345> the thing is...I know how to install windows, but not Ubuntu
[03:45] <Dank12345> :
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> i have some gps apps that don't work in linux
[03:45] <Dank12345> :)\
[03:45] <thenuke> ~1hour for XP and ~2hours for ubuntu? or something like that
[03:45] <thenuke> and you do not have to sit there and stare at the monitor for the 3 hours ;)
[03:45] <Dank12345> Yeah
[03:45] <|QuaD-> 2 hours for ubuntu? try like 30 mins'
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> ubuntu installed itself for me
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> ;)
[03:45] <Dank12345> Well
[03:45] <miausX> lol
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> was really easy and everything worked
[03:45] <Dank12345> yes if you want it to use the whole drive
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> and the how-to doc is just awesome
[03:46] <Dank12345> and not make any partitions
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> i had partitions
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> 3 of them..ubuntu didn't put my other linux part in the grub though
[03:46] <Dank12345> Well...
[03:46] <Dank12345> One of the things is
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> but thats ok, i don't need it
[03:46] <miausX> Cloudchaser, installation procedure for Ubuntu: ENTER - ENTER - ENTER - UP - DOWN - ENTER ... etc :D
[03:46] <Dank12345> if your network uses DHCP
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> haha yep
[03:46] <Dank12345> then youre set
[03:46] <Dank12345> but if it uses PPPOE
[03:46] <Dank12345> then you have to know the command
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> ah
[03:46] <Dank12345> and the nameserver
[03:47] <miausX> since I try Debian based distro my enter key hates me :P
[03:47] <Cloudchaser> why do you use that?
[03:47] <Dank12345> which?
[03:47] <Dank12345> You mean me
[03:47] <Dank12345> ?
[03:47] <Dank12345> Its not that I use it
[03:47] <Dank12345> Its my ISP....
[03:47] <Dank12345> DSL...
[03:47] <Cloudchaser> ah
[03:48] <Cloudchaser> i never used DSL
[03:48] <Dank12345> :)
[03:48] <Dank12345> Well
[03:48] <Cloudchaser> so i didn't know how to get it set up
[03:48] <gangalino> I've used LSD though
[03:48] <Dank12345> Its a bit cheaper, oh its real easy
[03:48] <Dank12345> if you know the command
[03:48] <Dank12345> :)))))
[03:48] <gangalino> anyone here use CVS to install software?
[03:49] <miausX> Dank12345, well... I had a dsl line, but with a router (the easy way :D)
[03:49] <Dank12345> I use my friend to install software :)
[03:49] <Cloudchaser> hehe
[03:49] <Dank12345> Yeah that works too
[03:49] <miausX> gangalino, me! I have DR17 installed from CVS :D~
[03:49] <homer> hey
[03:49] <Dank12345> hey!
[03:49] <homer> if you are installing ubuntu
[03:50] <homer> and in the middle the screen flickers madly
[03:50] <homer> and it stops installing
[03:50] <homer> what does that mean
[03:50] <Dank12345> I couldnt even get to where you select the root directory or something???
[03:50] <miausX> what's the problem gangalino?
[03:50] <diego> homer: the world will explode around you in a couple minutes
[03:50] <miausX> diego, lol
[03:50] <homer> seriously though
[03:50] <Dank12345> helpful.....
[03:51] <hazza96> I have NIS, webmin and the webmin-nis module installed.
[03:51] <hazza96> When I try and configure the NIS client using webmin it says that I don't have NIS cleint support installed?
[03:51] <miausX> do you speak spanish diego?
[03:51] <diego> miausX: not actively but i can if i need to
[03:51] <miausX> :))
[03:51] <gangalino> miausx: I've never used CVS before, and what I want to install doesn't have very good instructions
[03:51] <miausX> gangalino, tell me the URL
[03:52] <Dank12345> k see you guys, thanks.
[03:53] <miausX> gangalino, you need (in 90% cases) two commands: a) login, b) check out the sources
[03:55] <homer> anyone know
[03:56] <homer> also
[03:56] <homer> it says that the MD5 and the files don't match
[03:56] <miausX> no idea homer :(
[03:56] <homer> which is weird
[03:56] <homer> because the CD works fine on my laptop
[03:56] <homer> and it is an official ubuntu cd
[03:56] <homer> which no noticeable scratches or anything
[03:56] <K-otiK> is there something i can use to encrypt  files on my computer, just in case of a local compromise?
[03:56] <K-otiK> on ubuntu?
[03:56] <adoyretsamon> homer, i have had lots of problems with those discs
[03:56] <diego> homer: hmm...that is odd
[03:57] <homer> i don't think it's ubuntu though
[03:57] <diego> K-otiK: there are a few options on that, i personally use a loopback filesystem with aes as described in a recent freshmeat article
[03:57] <homer> because it chocked on windows xp installation too
[03:57] <diego> homer: is that cd drive ok?
[03:58] <homer> I have two
[03:58] <Cloudchaser> sounds like bad cd drive maybe
[03:58] <homer> and they both do that
[03:58] <homer> :\
[03:58] <Cloudchaser> hmmm
[03:58] <homer> maybe it's my mobo
[03:58] <diego> have you ran memtest86?
[03:58] <homer> is that on the CD?
[03:58] <diego> i think so
[03:58] <homer> i'll try
[03:59] <K-otiK> is there something i can use to encrypt  files on my computer, just in case of a local compromise?
[03:59] <homer> Could not find kernal image: memtest86
[03:59] <Riddell> K-otiK: gpg
[04:00] <Cloudchaser> hi neighborlee ;)
[04:00] <neighborlee> I mean not 100% but stilll LOL
[04:00] <neighborlee> hi cloud!!!!
[04:01] <Cloudchaser> i'm a happy convert
[04:01] <neighborlee> I have a bit of a question for anyone actually and here it is...
[04:01] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, heh rad!!!
[04:01] <Cloudchaser> no more redhat for me!
[04:01] <neighborlee> LOL
[04:01] <neighborlee> you go girl!
[04:01] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, youll love ubuntu I think..
[04:01] <neighborlee> I sure do and you know how pick I am <G>
[04:01] <Cloudchaser> your questions are usually over my head but i'm sure someone here could answer it
[04:01] <neighborlee> picky
[04:02] <neighborlee> heh np at all
[04:02] <diego> homer: if you wish to continue with memtest86 just put memtest86 on a floppy. inconvenient but still...
[04:02] <neighborlee> I just did synaptic > upgrade..but i'm wondering if there are possibly security fixes I've missed by not doing dist-upgrade instead ???
[04:02] <neighborlee> I chosen upgrade instead as it sounded 'safer' <G>
[04:02] <neighborlee> chose
[04:03] <farruinn> neighborlee: just doing an upgrade would have gotten security fixes if there were any
[04:03] <neighborlee> sigh I dunno..the whole upgrade vs dist-upgrade is rather convoluted in its explanation if you ask me <<
[04:04] <neighborlee> farruinn, ok
[04:04] <neighborlee> and I did man apt-get and i'm still not sure it makes sense LOL
[04:05] <farruinn> dist-upgrade is really for upgrading to a new release
[04:05] <farruinn> e.g. warty to hoary
[04:05] <miausX> hum... no
[04:06] <miausX> dist-upgrade == upgrade (but if it should install new packages, it installs them)
[04:06] <miausX> upgrade == wel... upgrade but DON'T install any new packages
[04:06] <scmason> Is hoary available yet?
[04:06] <farruinn> right, but if you're just doing an update every few days I don't see why you would be doing a dist-upgrade
[04:07] <farruinn> scmason: hoary is the unstable development version
[04:07] <neighborlee> well but its more complex than even that..dist-upgrade upgrades what it needs to and overrides apps that aren't considered important if there are conflicts....so to me its sketchy as to what kind of system you are left with ??
[04:07] <miausX> farruinn, well... maybe a broken dependencie cause a new package, or apt needs to install/deinstall something :)
[04:08] <miausX> it takes the same time, so... why should you use upgrade? :)
[04:08] <neighborlee> yeah so for what i've seen..upgrade is far safer but i'm not sure at what cost to not having a completely updated system
[04:08] <miausX> neighborlee, you can use dist-upgrade, I use it in woody, sarge, ubuntu... etc etc... no problems :)
[04:09] <neighborlee> well like I say..in synaptic it tells you that
[04:09] <neighborlee> during the process..if it detects conflicts..
[04:09] <huttan> where do i set X-permissions in ubuntu?
[04:09] <neighborlee> that it willl upgrade first what its 'important' and leave the rest
[04:09] <farruinn> I think I would try upgrade first, then if there were packages being held back I would investigate why these packages are being held back
[04:09] <neighborlee> so to me thast sketchy at best
[04:09] <miausX> :)
[04:09] <miausX> O.o!!
[04:09] <neighborlee> shrug so I just used 'default' method which is upgrade
[04:09] <huttan> I cant run X :1 as a normal user, says im not authorized
[04:10] <miausX> oh my god... 4:09 am...!!
[04:10] <neighborlee> woah
[04:10] <miausX> time to slepp a bit :D
[04:10] <farruinn> huttan, are you using gdmflexiserver?
[04:10] <neighborlee> yup
[04:10] <miausX> sleep*
[04:10] <neighborlee> cu l8r
[04:10] <Striss> I just setup TV-Out in ubuntu, it works but now my sound doesnt work...anybody have an idea what might have happened?
[04:10] <miausX> see you later :D
[04:10] <huttan> farruinn, no, i dont like it
[04:10] <huttan> farruinn, it wont autologin, i just want a new X screen from where i can run cedega and stuff, something i can just shut down easy w/o it affecting this one
[04:12] <Hikaru79> Anyone in here well-acquainted with Java's Swing GUI? =/
[04:12] <farruinn> hmm, I don't know if this is a result of me installing xnest, but I have Applications>System Tools>New Login which opens a new login on vt8
[04:13] <scmason> I am
[04:13] <scmason> swing that is
[04:13] <Hikaru79> scmason, can you answer a few questions for me? =)
[04:13] <scmason> maybe, i will try
[04:13] <Hikaru79> ^ ^ Can I PM?
[04:13] <scmason> ??
[04:14] <Hikaru79> Like, can I PM you?
[04:14] <stuNNed> ok the way evolution handles pgp is pissing me off nothing like thunderbird
[04:14] <farruinn> scmason: as in /msg
[04:14] <scmason> yes
[04:16] <Striss> Does anybody know why enabling TV-Out would break my audio?
[04:19] <littlepenguin> Survey: list the wm/de you use
[04:20] <farruinn> atm, metacity/gnome
[04:20] <farruinn> would like to try something else however
[04:20] <littlepenguin> xfce/xfwm
[04:21] <littlepenguin> shameless plug: try xfce! i think it's great as a de. good looks, lightweight, extendable
[04:21] <farruinn> I was using xfwm with gnome, but it would take so long to load for some reaso
[04:21] <farruinn> much much longer than logging into xfce
[04:21] <scoon> farruinn, openbox is nice with gnome as well.
[04:22] <farruinn> does that do the tab thing like fluxbox?
[04:22] <scoon> farruinn, no
[04:22] <farruinn> I like fluxbox, but it's not in warty
[04:22] <scoon> farruinn, flux is probably easy enough to compile on your own
[04:22] <gen> you can use flux in warty..
[04:22] <adoyretsamon> flux is the best
[04:22] <littlepenguin> because you're loading nautilus, plus everything else with gnome. xfce is loading just xfce. fluxbox is in the apt universe repository
[04:22] <farruinn> aaah, must be another package that's not compiled for ppc
[04:22] <farruinn> all of kde is like that and I've run into others such as grip
[04:23] <paulproteus> farruinn: No, Universe is available for powerpc.
[04:23] <paulproteus> I'm using Universe packages on my iBook G4.
[04:23] <zenlunatic> Does iso have gnome 2.8?
[04:23] <farruinn> paulproteus: right, but some things are only available as source for ppc
[04:23] <stuNNed> zenlunatic, yes
[04:23] <paulproteus> Whatever ISO means, Ubuntu has it.
[04:23] <littlepenguin> farruinn: yes, all repositories in ubuntu are for all architectures
[04:23] <littlepenguin> ISO is a cd image
[04:24] <paulproteus> Huh, I guess you're right.  I can't seem to get fluxbox here.
[04:24] <farruinn> littlepenguin: yes, I understand that, however not all packages in the repository have been built and packaged into a .deb - some are only available as debian source package
[04:25] <farruinn> wtf, I guess I won't - it want's to remove basically all of gnome and X
[04:25] <scmason> How can I install exim (means uninstalling postfix) without breaking Ubuntu base
[04:26] <scmason> or does it really matter if I unistall Ubuntu-base?
[04:28] <Tyche> For some reason I can no longer load the change user app. It acts like it is going to load and then just dissapears.
[04:28] <Tyche> Any ideas?
[04:28] <Tyche> doesn't seem like I can load synaptic either. I haven't made any changes really.
[04:28] <Tyche> Just some config files for apache, postfix, etc.
[04:29] <scoon> farruinn, why not download the source
[04:29] <scoon> and install flux locally
[04:29] <farruinn> I will if I have to, but I'll give openbox a try - never used it before
[04:29] <scoon> farruinn, like so ./configure --prefix=/home/farruinn/flux && make && make check && make install
[04:30] <scoon> farruinn, openbox is nice.  I used it for almost a year.  i used it for the keybinding
[04:32] <scmason> ANy ideas on how to unistall postfix?
[04:33] <scmason> w/o breaking ubuntu-base?
[04:33] <calamari> hi
[04:34] <calamari> is there a way to view what the boot messages were?
[04:34] <scoon> calamari, try dmesg
[04:34] <scmason> dmesg
[04:35] <calamari> thanks
[04:35] <scmason> okay then, thanks all and goodnight
[04:35] <farruinn> scmason: goodnight =)
[04:37] <theHelix> I am new to Ubunto (and linux as a whole), and I was wondering if I could get some help.
[04:37] <theHelix> Ubuntu*
[04:37] <farruinn> this is the place =)
[04:37] <hazza96> Ask away
[04:38] <theHelix> I just installed it and I am trying to set up my root account. I type "sudo passwd root" and it promts me for a new password but I cant type anything in.
[04:38] <homer> how long should grub take to load
[04:38] <farruinn> theHelix: it won't show ***'s
[04:38] <farruinn> but it is working
[04:39] <farruinn> just enter the password you want and hit enter
[04:39] <theHelix> Alright I will try that
[04:39] <hazza96> why is the root account disabled anyway?
[04:40] <hazza96> what was the reason behind that?
[04:40] <farruinn> hazza96: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo discusses that in some depth
[04:40] <hazza96> ok
[04:42] <hazza96> Quote "even though they would rarely use it" ha ha, I am experimenting way too much for that to apply to me.
[04:42] <farruinn> well at least by having to enter sudo every time, you know that what you are about to do could have some negative effects
[04:43] <farruinn> sort of makes you think, "do I really want to do this..."
[04:44] <homer> how long does grub take to load
[04:44] <hazza96> I have done many many things that had a negative effect, all done while on a box that don't really matter.
[04:44] <hazza96> All stuff done with root I have done many times
[04:44] <homer> i waited like 10 minutes
[04:44] <joh_> the final argument is "MacOSX does it this way"
[04:45] <farruinn> translation: good for the home user =)
[04:45] <pdkl> there is a good reason to disable root
[04:46] <pdkl> i very  much agree with doing it
[04:46] <homer> should grub take a long time to load
[04:47] <pdkl> as linux is becoming more mainstream, you have to protection from users screwing up the system.  its fine they can screw their account, but not the compelete system
[04:47] <pdkl> plus if they mess it up bad enough (the user account preference file) they can always recreate the account
[04:47] <pdkl> power users arent going to have a problem enabling root
[04:47] <hazza96> so the design of ubuntu is the complete opposite of Lindows
[04:47] <hazza96> :)
[04:48] <farruinn> hahah, yes, thankfully so
[04:49] <Amaranth> homer: grub? should have come up before you could even boot to linux
[04:49] <Amaranth> and it should have automatically started booting into linux after 2 seconds
[04:49] <amathis> grub is icky IMHO
[04:52] <hazza96> I have been using Mandrake for years, now that that I am trialing ubuntu I realise how much MDK has shielded me from some of the internals
[04:55] <K-otiK> does anyone wanna give me some insite on, this exploit i just ran? you might find it interesting
[04:56] <K-otiK> oops
[04:56] <K-otiK> wrong server
[04:57] <Striss> my /dev/dsp seems to have dissapeared...how do i fix this?
[04:57] <farruinn> someone know a way I can update the menu in gnome without logging out/in?
[05:01] <|QuaD-> have the fast boot times been put through to hoary yet?
[05:02] <Quest-Master> I hope they can give Ubuntu GRUB a graphical interface like Suse and Mandrake have
[05:03] <Striss> can anybody help me repair my sound? it says /dev/dsp no such file
[05:03] <scmason> you can replace your grub screen
[05:06] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: that will just make it go slower... is it really necessary?
[05:06] <Striss> what does /dev/dsp link to in ubuntu?
[05:07] <bancus> How can I tell my system to use UTF-8 as the default encoding?
[05:08] <Striss> anybody, could you check what /dev/dsp links to?
[05:09] <MobyTurbo> Striss, it's not a link here
[05:09] <Striss> damn
[05:09] <Striss> i really need to find out how to get my /dev/dsp back
[05:09] <Quest-Master> |QuaD-: The newbies desire it.
[05:09] <Quest-Master> :P
[05:09] <Quest-Master> I don't really have a problem with it, but a lot of people ask me about it
[05:10] <MobyTurbo> Striss, cd /dev ; sudo sh /MAKEDEV dsp
[05:10] <Striss> really? cool i'll try that
[05:10] <MobyTurbo> oops, make that ./MAKEDEV
[05:10] <Striss> k
[05:10] <Striss> thanks
[05:10] <Striss> brb
[05:11] <Striss> "don't know how to make device dsp"
[05:12] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: it is just a slowdone... i would rather a 20 second bootime wiht no graphical grub
[05:12] <MobyTurbo> Striss, what does "grep dsp MAKEDEV" show you?
[05:12] <|QuaD-> then a 120 second one wiht
[05:15] <sul> ehm.. is anyone having problems with package indices on archive.ubuntu.com not verifying properly?
[05:15] <MobyTurbo> sul, I just apt-get updated  a few minutes ago and it worked.
[05:15] <bpd1069> yes...  kdelibs-data%3a or something
[05:16] <bpd1069> sul: that was directed to you
[05:16] <ficusplanet> I'm considering buying an IBM X40.  What are my options for installing Ubuntu on it (it has no optical drive)?
[05:17] <sul> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[05:17] <sul> MobyTurbo: are you using Hoary or Warty?
[05:17] <sul> MobyTurbo: are you using Hoary or Warty?
[05:17] <MobyTurbo> sorry, bad reflexes with ^W. Warty
[05:17] <sul> ah :] 
[05:17] <sul> oh ok.. someone here with Hoary that can try a apt-get update for me?
[05:18] <MobyTurbo> ^W used to delete words in xchat before they made it GNOME2 HIG compatable.
[05:18] <bpd1069> sul:k
[05:18] <|QuaD-> sul: what is wrong with your apt-get update
[05:18] <ficusplanet> sul, works for me
[05:18] <Striss> MobyTurbo, just a sec, i'll let you know what the greb did
[05:18] <|QuaD-> mine works fine
[05:18] <sul> |QuaD-: see above
[05:18] <|QuaD-> sul: how long have you been using hoary
[05:18] <sul> ficusplanet: can you md5sum your /etc/apt/trusted.gpg ?
[05:18] <Striss2> MobyTurbo, this is what came from grep...
[05:19] <sul> |QuaD-: since late november, something like that
[05:19] <Striss2> makedev dsp        c $major  3 $audio
[05:19] <ficusplanet> sul, 5f942e58b054394b27ee24cf49076bdb  /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
[05:19] <Striss2> makedev dsp1       c $major 19 $audio
[05:19] <Striss2> and so on
[05:19] <MobyTurbo> Striss2, same as here.
[05:19] <sul> ficusplanet: weird same as mine, yet I get this at apt-get update:
[05:19] <sul> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[05:19] <Striss2> hmm
[05:20] <Striss2> why the heck is my /dev/dsp not there anymore, i dont understand
[05:20] <Striss2> it was working fine just a few hours ago
[05:20] <|QuaD-> sul: some came in witht hat message on warty when trying to use an unsupported repo... i don't remember what the answer was though
[05:20] <MobyTurbo> Striss2, maybe it's a udev problem??
[05:20] <Striss2> udev?
[05:20] <MobyTurbo> Striss2, take a look at the appropriate lines in dmesg
[05:20] <Striss2> k
[05:20] <SirFunk> anyone here very familiar w/ the macintosh therm drivers?
[05:21] <sul> pretty bad, cause something went wrong in the last dist-upgrade and Gnome isn't working properly, I don't get any menus and panel stuff, so I'm stuck in console
[05:21] <Striss2> what should i be looking for in dmesg
[05:21] <SirFunk> or kernel dev in general i guess
[05:21] <SirFunk> ?
[05:21] <|QuaD-> sul: i had that for a while too
[05:21] <sul> |QuaD-: I'm using the one on archive.ubuntu.com
[05:21] <|QuaD-> do you have kdelibs installed?
[05:21] <sul> no
[05:21] <|QuaD-> u sure?
[05:21] <|QuaD-> do a dpkg -l | grep kde
[05:22] <sul> |QuaD-: yeah, nothing
[05:22] <|QuaD-> hmm, well that was my problem
[05:22] <calamari> hmm.. can I find cpu speed someplace?
[05:22] <MobyTurbo> Striss2, best I can tell you is the name of your card.
[05:23] <MobyTurbo> or rather, its chipset
[05:23] <calamari> nm.. k6/2 333 .. very slow hehe
[05:23] <|QuaD-> sul: what errors were you having when you upgraded (be for this one)
[05:23] <|QuaD-> *before
[05:26] <sul> |QuaD-: at dist upgrade I just get warned that I'm trying to install packages that cannot be verified
[05:26] <|QuaD-> hm, i never got that one
[05:26] <|QuaD-> when did you start getting that error?
[05:26] <sul> ok.. works now.. I just cleaned out /var/lib/apt/lists
[05:27] <sul> just tonight
[05:27] <sul> must be a problem with the way apt-get verifies the up-to-dateness of the lists...
[05:27] <sul> that or archive.ubuntu.com just got compromised
[05:27] <sul> :] 
[05:28] <farruinn> sul, do you mean the gpg signing?
[05:28] <Se7h> wooo
[05:28] <Se7h> major updates made
[05:28] <sul> farruinn: well the gpg signing didnt work, but that was probably due to corrupt local copies of lists.. apt-get never tried regetting them seemed to think they were ok
[05:29] <farruinn> ah, I see
[05:29] <sul> now if I could just get my mad broken proxy to stay up long enough for me to dist-upgrade.... the person who wrote polipo should be hung
[05:32] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[05:32] <|QuaD-> sul: i actually have been doing updates a lot, just not upgrades... i don't have time to fix it if it breaks, so don't want to break it right now
[05:32] <calamari> is there any sort of internet connection sharing on ubuntu?
[05:32] <da_bon_bon> can anyone tell v4.10 is warty warthog, whats the next version gonna be?
[05:34] <sul> |QuaD-: dist-upgrade rarely breaks anything on my system.. and when that happens subsequent upgrades usually fix it for me..
[05:34] <zenlunatic> Does ubuntu auto-detect hardware
[05:34] <amathis> zenlunatic: yea
[05:34] <farruinn> da_bon_bon: 5.04 for april 2005
[05:34] <amathis> very well also.
[05:35] <sul> |QuaD-: my friend however is running Fedora Core 2, and he says that freetype support has gotten broken twice when he's been upgrading.. and he has had to fiddle around himself to get it working
[05:35] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: whats its name gonna be?
[05:35] <farruinn> da_bon_bon: hoary hedgehog
[05:35] <farruinn> it's all on the ubuntu website
[05:36] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: then, i heard many ppl say on the forums that they have tried out hoary. how come?
[05:36] <|QuaD-> freetype?
[05:36] <farruinn> it is the current development release
[05:36] <farruinn> so people are testing it
[05:36] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: then can i get it?
[05:37] <farruinn> yeah, but it's the _unstable_ development branch - not really recommended unless you know what you're doing
[05:37] <diego> da_bon_bon: ubuntu is OPEN...no one's stopping you
[05:37] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: how do i get it?
[05:37] <da_bon_bon> diego: ^
[05:37] <diego> da_bon_bon: there are guides either on the forums or on the wiki (or both)
[05:38] <da_bon_bon> diego: can u please give me the links to the guides?
[05:38] <calamari> what keys do I press for scrollback in a text console?
[05:38] <farruinn> ctrl-shift-pageup
[05:38] <Striss2> is there an audio configuration app with Ubuntu?
[05:39] <sul> |QuaD-: yeah freetype is a font collection
[05:39] <calamari> farruinn: that just beeps and prints a ~
[05:39] <diego> da_bon_bon: if you upgrade to hoary, you're going to need to know how to look through the forums for support purposes...
[05:40] <sul> |QuaD-: err.. font library even..
[05:40] <farruinn> calamari: oh wow you're right - that always worked in debian for me
[05:40] <sul> well.. a reboot.. thanks for the help guys
[05:40] <da_bon_bon> diego: i am surfing the forums, but i cant find any link for hoary. can u pls help me out, if it isnt too muchj trouble?
[05:40] <|QuaD-> sul: ahh ok
[05:41] <diego> da_bon_bon: you don't download a hoary install disc (yet), if that's what you're looking for
[05:41] <da_bon_bon> diego: oh that was what i was looking for. then how do i get hoary?
[05:42] <farruinn> da_bon_bon: do you have warty installed already?
[05:42] <calamari> bbiam
[05:42] <diego> da_bon_bon: you use hoary repositories and dist-upgrade
[05:42] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: i am waiting for the shipit cds to arrive from 2 months
[05:42] <diego> or maybe you could use just 'upgrade', i dunno
[05:42] <farruinn> da_bon_bon: you need to have warty installed first, then you may upgrade to hoary
[05:43] <diego> ohhh..oops, got ahead of myself
[05:43] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: oh ok.
[05:43] <diego> da_bon_bon: yeah, there's no hoary install discs available yet to my knowledge so you need warty first
[05:44] <da_bon_bon> is there any way other than shipit to get the hoary discs? i cant download isnce i am on dialup
[05:45] <farruinn> da_bon_bon: have a friend?
[05:45] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: most people out here are windows addicts
[05:45] <farruinn> :-/
[05:45] <farruinn> did you order any livecds? You could let them borrow those - fix that problem =)
[05:46] <da_bon_bon> farruinn: if i order i386 cds, i get both live & install discs. problem is, they havent arrived yet :(
[05:47] <MobyTurbo> re
[05:47] <diego> da_bon_bon: are you in the US?
[05:48] <da_bon_bon> diego: no. India
[05:48] <zenpod> da_bon_bon has been outsourced
[05:48] <zenpod> ;)
[05:48] <diego> da_bon_bon: oh heh, I'm not mailing any that far away :D
[05:49] <da_bon_bon> diego: thats ok, i expect VERY few people will even _think_ about mailing that far
[05:50] <farruinn> can anyone suggest a better solution to midi synth than timidity?
[05:54] <da_bon_bon> zenpod: " da_bon_bon has been outsourced" what did u intend to mean by that?
[05:54] <da_bon_bon> zenpod: i am 16 yrs old and have been born in india itself :P
[05:55] <diego> da_bon_bon: i'm 16 too. w00t for 16-year olds
[05:56] <amathis> heh
[05:56] <amathis> youngins.
[05:57] <da_bon_bon> diego: yes. w00t nice to have someone of my age out here :)
[05:57] <diego> da_bon_bon: i guess you'd be interested in learning that "have been born" is considered awkward (if not incorrect) because "have been" implies it has happened many times/over an extended period of time...and i assume you were only born once.
[05:57] <da_bon_bon> amathis: 'lo there senior citizen. just joking., how old r u ?
[05:57] <amathis> 20.
[05:57] <da_bon_bon> diego: i am soooo sorry i was playin yahoo pool and was typing in hurry, so the grammatical mistake
[05:58] <diego> da_bon_bon: oh no problem, just trying to help you learn the language (I come from Argentina, myself, but now I live in Texas)
[05:59] <da_bon_bon> diego: i know the language quite well, tho mistakes do happen! actually i was typing too fat
[05:59] <diego> da_bon_bon: and apparently you still are typing too 'fat' :)
[06:00] <amathis> diego: well, language is dictated by culture and lifestyle sometimes and not by textbooks, though it seems strange, English of now days is not the same as the English of old.
[06:00] <cef> MobyTurbo: sounds like me
[06:00] <da_bon_bon> diego: LOL. sorry again!
[06:00] <amathis> diego: hablas espanol?
[06:00] <cef> MobyTurbo: "Why I remember, back in the days before 1.0......"
[06:00] <da_bon_bon> amathis: i agree
[06:00] <Cloudchaser> hmm whats the difference between this irc room and #UbuntuForums?
[06:01] <farruinn> Cloudchaser: #ubuntuforums is more relaxed
[06:01] <diego> amathis: like i said a long time ago: "miausX: not actively but i can if i need to"
[06:01] <SirFunk> how do i control my powerbook cpu speed in ubuntu?
[06:01] <amathis> Cloudchaser: this is supposed to be on topic... *heh*
[06:01] <farruinn> really this channel is for support only
[06:01] <farruinn> or something like that
[06:01] <Cloudchaser> ok thank you :)
[06:03] <MobyTurbo> cef, and before my first Linux kernel I had a SysV shell account.
[06:04] <farruinn> anyone know how to search the mailing list archives?
[06:04] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, if there's no mechanism try site: with google.com
[06:05] <MobyTurbo> site:foo.com
[06:05] <farruinn> MobyTurbo: I did try site:lists.ubuntu.com midi, but didn't come with anything
[06:06] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, well, I don't know what to tell you. I subscribe to several of the mailing lists so I never have bothered with archives.
[06:06] <cef> MobyTurbo: heh.. I remember telnetting into BBS's in other countries back in '93, and the occasional server with IRC on it *grin*... BBS's... ahh them were the days
[06:06] <farruinn> MobyTurbo: I'm subscribed as well, but I only joined a few weeks ago.
[06:07] <MobyTurbo> cef, I was a BBS sysop
[06:07] <farruinn> btw, google for site:lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu comes up with "3 of about 61" - whatever that means
[06:08] <cef> MobyTurbo: same.. started using bbs's in '83, ran my own from '88 to '96 (7 lines)
[06:08] <farruinn> none of the three on the lists.ubuntu.com server
[06:08] <MobyTurbo> cef, oh yeah, you're the one who ran TBBS, right?
[06:08] <cef> MobyTurbo: yup!
[06:08] <MobyTurbo> cef, it's like deja vu all over again.
[06:08] <diego> old farts
[06:08] <cef> heh
[06:09] <gpled> ra bbs was cool.
[06:09] <MobyTurbo> I prefered Maximus.
[06:09] <gpled> wildcat was nice, but started getting expensive
[06:10] <MobyTurbo> I never liked wildcat's interface for some reason.
[06:10] <cef> gpled: yeah. that sort of shot up in price, whereas tbbs just stayed the same old expensive price
[06:10] <MobyTurbo> cef, heh
[06:10] <gpled> anyone have a fido node number?
[06:10] <cef> still, 340K of pure assembler to run 96 lines..
[06:11] <MobyTurbo> cef, Maximus 1.x came with source, 2.0 was free as in beer but did not include source. 3.0 was originally like that but Scott gave out the source once BBSsing died.
[06:11] <MobyTurbo> cef, TBBS was definitely without peer for multiple lines on a single computer, though Maximus did pretty well under OS/2 and many BBSs could run a couple of lines with Desqview-386.
[06:11] <MobyTurbo> or Linux.
[06:12] <cef> MobyTurbo: as for deja vu, if I'm not mistaken, "same shit, different channel" (ala same convo previously on #debian)
[06:12] <MobyTurbo> (DOSEMU can make you run DOS BBSs under Linux quite well.)
[06:12] <MobyTurbo> cef, true. :-)
[06:12] <diego> is it time to find a more contemporary channel to idle in?
[06:12] <MobyTurbo> DOSEMU even has FOSSIL emulation as part of the package.
[06:13] <MobyTurbo> diego, DOSEMU is in universal
[06:13] <MobyTurbo> er, universe
[06:13] <MobyTurbo> there's also dosbox, better for some games.
[06:13] <cef> MobyTurbo: heh.. I've noticed that one of the users in the usergroup I'm president of is David Nugent.. Mr X00..
[06:14] <MobyTurbo> cef, no, he was Mr BNU. Someone else did x00
[06:14] <Cloudchaser> web pages are still loading very slowly in firefox
[06:14] <Cloudchaser> even after turning off the ipv6
[06:14] <cef> MobyTurbo: ahh yes, that's the one.. wonder if he's hacking on dosemu...? *grin*
[06:15] <diego> how much speed increase do you really get by turning off ipv6?
[06:15] <MobyTurbo> cef, is the usergroup you're talking about a LUG?
[06:15] <Cloudchaser> i'm not sure i get any
[06:15] <cef> MobyTurbo: yup. Linux Users of Victoria. It was weird seeing his name on our mailing lists.. *grin*
[06:15] <MobyTurbo> diego, it depends upon the program
[06:15] <Cloudchaser> but i'm not real happy it takes so long to load pages
[06:16] <diego> s/$/in Firefox/
[06:16] <MobyTurbo> cef, I'm curious who wrote DOSEMU's FOSSIL driver too.
[06:16] <MobyTurbo> diego, you can disable ipv6 in Firefox's about:config
[06:16] <diego> let me try again from the beginning
[06:17] <diego> how much speed increase can i expect to get by turning off ipv6 in Firefox?
[06:17] <MobyTurbo> diego, how slow are your DNS lookups? That's what it speeds up.
[06:17] <diego> MobyTurbo: are DNS lookups cached?
[06:18] <MobyTurbo> diego, per session I believe, I could be wrong.
[06:18] <diego> hmm
[06:18] <farruinn> MobyTurbo: I think you're right
[06:18] <diego> i guess they're pretty quick but significantly slower than actually loading most pages
[06:18] <Cloudchaser> hmmm i did change it but when i went to look at it now it says "false"
[06:19] <MobyTurbo> Cloudchaser, that's odd. It works here(tm)
[06:19] <SirFunk> anyone here using ubuntu ppc on a laptop?
[06:19] <gpled> if knoppix works, should ubuntu work?  talking about xwindow.
[06:19] <Cloudchaser> do i have to save it or anything? i did the change back when i installed ubuntu from the how-to
[06:19] <jbroome> theoretically, yes
[06:20] <MobyTurbo> gpled, warty runs a Debian-patched XFree86 4.3, Hoary runs Xorg (but you shouldn't run it lately if you value your sanity). I don't know what knoppix runs nowadays, assuiming it uses Debian's latest it is the same as Ubuntu warty.
[06:20] <Cloudchaser> wow its even slower now
[06:21] <Cloudchaser> in fact it still hasn't loaded the page
[06:21] <Cloudchaser> hmm
[06:21] <MobyTurbo> Cloudchaser, getting rid of ipv6 shouldn't ever slow things down.
[06:21] <Cloudchaser> i can't seem to get to any web pages at the moment
[06:21] <Cloudchaser> ah there we go
[06:21] <MobyTurbo> Cloudchaser, unless you're going to a ipv6-only site. :-)
[06:22] <oak> wow...amazing once that wait disappears
[06:22] <Cloudchaser> it seems to be working now
[06:23] <Cloudchaser> doesn't seem to be faster though
[06:23] <MobyTurbo> the wait used to be worse, especially on *BSD.
[06:24] <MobyTurbo> (this seems to have been fixed on that platform.)
[06:26] <Cloudchaser> in general things seem to load ok, guess the ones tht don't are just slow sites
[06:27] <MobyTurbo> Cloudchaser, it won't speed up all sites, just those that are ipv6 enabled while you're only using ipv4.
[06:28] <Cloudchaser> i have no idea what i'm using ;) my banking site is one thats slow
[06:28] <MobyTurbo> Cloudchaser, if you have no idea what you're using it's ipv4.
[06:33] <gpled> hmmm, this does not sound good.  on install, being asked to run aptitude :(
[06:34] <MrE> How do I fall back to single user mode (out of X)?
[06:34] <MobyTurbo> gpled, aptitude is a piece of cake compared to dselect.
[06:35] <MobyTurbo> MrE, # /sbin/telinit 1
[06:35] <MrE> MobyTurbo, Thanks.
[06:39] <gpled> what should i do in aptitude? want to finish the install
[06:41] <farruinn> gpled, that happened to me once
[06:41] <gpled> wonder what broke.  every other install just worked
[06:41] <farruinn> I quit aptitude and sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:41] <farruinn> for some reason that worked
[06:41] <farruinn> gpled, this is a fresh install from the disc?
[06:41] <gpled> down load cd. 4.10
[06:42] <gpled> fresh install
[06:42] <farruinn> yeah, that's what I was doing too
[06:42] <Tsjoklat> also apt-get install x-window-system-core
[06:42] <farruinn> for some reason it didn't want to install OOo
[06:43] <raghu> how to install ubuntu on harddisk...
[06:43] <raghu> i have live cd
[06:43] <farruinn> do you have the install cd as wel?
[06:43] <farruinn> the livecd isn't for installation, there's a separate disc for that
[06:46] <raghu> farruinn: is  it free?
[06:46] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[06:46] <RuffianSoldier> it is
[06:46] <farruinn> yup, just go to the downloads section of the website
[06:46] <raghu> farruinn: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/
[06:48] <gpled> Tsjoklat: apt-get install x-window-system-core seems to help a lot. got x up.
[06:48] <gpled> farruinn: doing apt-get install ubuntu-desktop now
[06:49] <Se7h> root@devil:/home/seth # chown -R root:scr IBMJava2-142/
[06:49] <Se7h> chown: `root:scr': invalid group
[06:49] <Se7h> how come ?
[06:50] <housetier> src maybe?
[06:50] <Tsjoklat> gpled :)
[06:50] <Se7h> ups
[06:50] <Se7h> housetier ;P
[06:50] <housetier> SouRCe not SCoRe
[06:50] <Se7h> i know
[06:50] <Se7h> dislexic
[06:50] <gpled> how did you guys figure this out?
[06:50] <housetier> Dyslexics have more fnu!
[06:51] <gpled> also, are you guys using amd cpu?
[06:51] <Se7h> i am
[06:51] <gpled> Se7h: any install trouble?
[06:51] <Se7h> no
[06:52] <Se7h> not at all
[06:52] <Se7h> Linux devil 2.6.8.1-3-k7 #1 Thu Nov 18 13:24:36 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:52] <Se7h> ;)
[06:52] <farruinn> gpled: I'm on ppc. When the install gave me trouble I just installed the metapackages I knew of
[06:52] <Se7h> its flying baby
[06:52] <Se7h> what seems to be the problem btw ?
[06:53] <gpled> Tsjoklat: farruinn:  thanks, you guys got my install going!
[06:55] <jmhodges> ok, where do bug reports for universe go?
[06:55] <jmhodges> i know its "not supported"
[06:55] <jmhodges> but these mono things must have an upstream somewhere..
[06:57] <Tsjoklat> gpled it's girl but your welcome anyways
[06:58] <calamari_> hi
[06:59] <calamari_> I installed ubuntu on a slow computer.. I know there was a way to speed up Gnome, but I can't remember where in gconf it is
[07:00] <mbp__> calamari_: what about it?
[07:00] <farruinn> calamari_: try getting rid of as many applets as possible, such as show desktop, trash applet, volume control, etc
[07:00] <MobyTurbo> jmhodges, check out the (Debian) maintainer's email shown by "apt-cache show foo"
[07:00] <mbp__> you can turn off font antialiasing maybe?
[07:00] <calamari_> mbp: there was a way to disable the eye candy
[07:00] <jmhodges> MobyTurbo: thanks
[07:00] <mbp__> or use a very simple theme?
[07:00] <mbp__> which candy?
[07:00] <calamari_> like the animations
[07:01] <mbp__> of window opening/closing?
[07:01] <calamari_> and outline drag instead
[07:02] <mbp__> calamari_: look under apps/metacity
[07:02] <mbp__> oh
[07:02] <mbp__> apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources
[07:02] <calamari_> thanks, thats it! :)
[07:02] <gpled> gclctoll seems to be stuck in synapic.  how should i remove it?
[07:03] <mbp__> ooh, i didn't know there was a single setting
[07:03] <mbp__> that's neat
[07:03] <mbp__> calamari_: apparnetly you need to run "metacity-message restart" to make it take effect
[07:03] <mbp__> hey, that rocks
[07:03] <gpled> gcaltool.  sorry, looking at two computers
[07:03] <mbp__> my machine's graphics card is pretty slow without binary carp
[07:05] <neighborlee> alert alert <G>..if you'd like to see morrowind games come to linux there seems to be a post on a forum at morrowinds site mentioning someone brought this up..not sure who is doing this but it can't hurt to ( since linux gaming is getting much stronger meaning we have pull now ) go there and say yes I want to see this game here in linux..very important FYI!!!!!
[07:15] <Tyche> I just don't understand. I have made any changes really and now my users and groups will not ope for me to add or make changes. Looks like Synaptic iwll not either.
[07:18] <Se7h> RadioHead@dial-b2-185-104.telepac.pt) has joined #SCT
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[07:18] <Se7h> isn't this too much ?
[07:19] <Se7h> shit
[07:19] <Se7h> wrong paste
[07:19] <housetier> indeedy-doo
[07:19] <Se7h> PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games"
[07:19] <Se7h> better
[07:20] <Se7h> isn't this too much ?
[07:20] <Tsjoklat> hey bborkk
[07:20] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: Hiya.
[07:21] <Tsjoklat> bborkk how are things working out for you?
[07:21] <bborkk> Well, the Evolution launcher in the panel doesn't work, but I'm not too worried about that.  Otherwise, I'm really trying to get ACPI sleep/suspend/hibernate working before I take off for a month of traveling.
[07:21] <housetier> Se7h that looks ok to me
[07:22] <Tsjoklat> bborkk did you check the wiki and/or forum pages about that matter?
[07:22] <bborkk> From everything I've read, sleep (s3) should work on my IBM Thinkpad T42p, but it's not working.
[07:23] <bborkk> I've been doing a lot of reading about ibm-acpi.  I've also read most everything related to this on Ubuntu wiki, I think.
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> bborkk I have to say I have no idea what might help your situation
[07:23] <bborkk> Me either.  :)
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> and the forum?
[07:23] <Se7h> housetier hmmkay
[07:24] <bborkk> I haven't searched the forum completely yet.  I was going to do that next.
[07:24] <Se7h> im trying to put java to work
[07:24] <Se7h> 4486 frames in 5.0 seconds = 897.200 FPS
[07:24] <Se7h> gforce4
[07:25] <Tsjoklat> bborkk the answer may be right here.. it just depends on timezones and who is awake or not
[07:27] <housetier> Se7h there is a package named "java-package" that might help creating a .deb which you then can install
[07:27] <bborkk> Tsjoklat: True.  I try to straddle the EDT and GMT turnover.
[07:27] <bborkk> Is there any search functionality on the forums?  I don't see it.
[07:27] <bborkk> Never mind.  I see it.
[07:27] <Se7h> housetier where?
[07:27] <Se7h> not in the repository i bet
[07:29] <bborkk> Anyone out there with an IBM T42p with suspend, sleep, and/or hibernate working?
[07:31] <bborkk> Alternatively, is there an easy way to switch to APM from ACPI?
[07:31] <housetier> Se7h http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/j/java-package/
[07:34] <Se7h>  deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge non-free
[07:34] <Se7h> guess that'll make the work
[07:35] <neighborlee> hey guys what seems to be most used/best IM for linux ..gaim ?
[07:36] <|QuaD-> gaim is most popular
[07:36] <|QuaD-> kopete is pretty nice too
[07:36] <|QuaD-> some like it better
[07:37] <neighborlee> is there a gnome equiv ?
[07:37] <neighborlee> wait dont matter..i've got qt installed
[07:37] <Se7h> well
[07:38] <Se7h> Gaim support most of IM protocols
[07:38] <neighborlee> yeah true it does
[07:38] <housetier> neighborlee I use bitlbee for all my IM needs
[07:38] <Se7h> but if u want some "geek" msn client
[07:38] <Se7h> i would suggest dMSN that changed name to Mercury
[07:39] <housetier> although bitlbee only works with AnyIrcClient
[07:39] <neighborlee> hmm i'd forgotten about anyircclient ;-)...
[07:39] <neighborlee> ok kewl ill consider these
[07:43] <RuffianSoldier> I installed KDE on Ubuntu (for Testing perposes) - and now my sound is all screwed up!
[07:43] <RuffianSoldier> its all staticy
[07:43] <neighborlee> :( I hope someone here can help as i've been using gnome2.8 ever since booting ubuntu albeit kde is also very nice...
[07:44] <neighborlee> hmmm i've 'heard' that arts came be screwey but thats a wild guess off top of my head
[07:44] <neighborlee> might not apply to latest kde shrug
[07:44] <RuffianSoldier> Well - the latest KDE just ruined my sound in Ubuntu
[07:44] <neighborlee> if it does..I think you can disable it ? under kde control > sound or something..
[07:44] <RuffianSoldier> Anyway I can fix that?
[07:45] <RuffianSoldier> neighborlee - its messed up in Gnome also
[07:45] <neighborlee> hmm well its your sound card then very likely
[07:45] <neighborlee> which one ?
[07:45] <RuffianSoldier> onboard
[07:45] <Stew2> I deleted my xfree86config-4 file. Is there an app I can run to recreate it? I thought, it's just a config file.
[07:45] <RuffianSoldier> Stew2 - here - type this
[07:45] <neighborlee> Stew2, xf86config < I think is what its called
[07:45] <RuffianSoldier> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:46] <RuffianSoldier> that will reconfigure it (And also write a new Config file)
[07:46] <neighborlee> yes what ruffian just said
[07:46] <RuffianSoldier> anyone have any ideas on my sound problem?
[07:47] <neighborlee> RuffianSolider: you could check the alsa list for that card to verify its supported
[07:47] <RuffianSoldier> how?
[07:47] <neighborlee> alsasound.org or whatever the page is...google it
[07:47] <RuffianSoldier> umm - its not like it wasnt ever working
[07:47] <RuffianSoldier> it is supported
[07:47] <neighborlee> http://www.alsa-project.org/
[07:47] <RuffianSoldier> because its VIA - and I watched a DVD in Ubuntu
[07:47] <neighborlee> but if its also not working in gnome something is def. wrong
[07:48] <neighborlee> that or you just need to reboot ..have you been 'up ' long ?
[07:48] <RuffianSoldier> no
[07:48] <RuffianSoldier> I rebooted 4 times today
[07:48] <neighborlee> you could try restarting sound server if only I remembered how..that 'might' fix it ..shrug
[07:48] <RuffianSoldier> and when sound plays - its gross static
[07:49] <neighborlee> do you have XP home/pro and does it work there okay?
[07:49] <neighborlee> or whatever ;-)
[07:49] <RuffianSoldier> it works great in Win2k - BeatrIX and SUSE
[07:49] <Stew2> I tried xf86config and the dpkg command. Neither creates a new /etc/X11/xfree86config-4 file
[07:50] <Stew2> How do I recreate it? When I ran xf86config, it 'said' it recreated one.
[07:50] <neighborlee> its called XF86config-4 or something
[07:50] <Stew2> Do I have to run xf86config as root?
[07:50] <neighborlee> XF86Config-4
[07:50] <Stew2> neighborle Yeah, that's the file I deleted.
[07:50] <neighborlee> ic
[07:50] <RuffianSoldier> neighborlee - it could be a conflict
[07:51] <RuffianSoldier>  Gnome uses the ESD sound server, and KDE ARTSD
[07:51] <Stew2> I had the same problem with FC3. "The color depth 24 is not supported (ati)"
[07:51] <neighborlee> ok has it 'ever' worked in ubuntu without scratchiness ?
[07:51] <Stew2> But I changed the color depth to 16 and it worked. This one I changed to 16 and it said that wasn't supported by the driver either. What gives?
[07:52] <neighborlee> oh brother..ati stuff..i've no idea about that sorry..nvidia here ;(
[07:52] <Stew2> yeah, sucks.
[07:52] <Stew2> Okay well, bye.
[07:53] <neighborlee> sigh
[07:53] <RuffianSoldier> ATI owns
[07:53] <calc> except for the whole no drivers bit
[07:53] <calc> on amd64 and ppc
[07:57] <silentrage> Does anyone know What kernel version Ubuntu is running and what the apt-get command is to get the latest kernel source?
[07:58] <|QuaD-> silentrage: warty or hoary?
[07:58] <silentrage> The CD edition. I believe that's warty, right?
[07:58] <|QuaD-> yeah
[07:59] <|QuaD-> let me look
[07:59] <|QuaD-> (you can just do a uname -r
[07:59] <|QuaD-> i believe version 2.6
[07:59] <|QuaD-> now you want the latest kernel, or kernel source?
[07:59] <calc> well its 2.6 something 2.6.8.1 iirc
[07:59] <JanC> btw: there was a security update for the kernel yesterday
[07:59] <RuffianSoldier> brv
[07:59] <calc> hoary is at 2.6.9
[08:00] <silentrage> 2.6.8.1-4-686
[08:00] <|QuaD-> calc: nope
[08:00] <|QuaD-> calc: 2.9.x
[08:00] <|QuaD-> calc: thouhg i am still running 2.8
[08:00] <calc> |QuaD-: kernel 2.9.x ? wow i want some future stuff
[08:00] <|QuaD-> calc: you are right
[08:00] <|QuaD-> haha
[08:00] <|QuaD-> i am a moron
[08:00] <calc> :)
[08:00] <silentrage> I'm looking for the source. I'm trying to install drivers for a linksys wpc11 ver.4
[08:00] <calc> you even told him how to get the kernel version then confused it with gnome 2.9.2 ;)
[08:00] <ironwolf> anyone here using rsync to push data from A->B ?
[08:01] <|QuaD-> silentrage: apt-cache search kernel-source
[08:01] <|QuaD-> find your kernel
[08:01] <|QuaD-> apt-get install that package
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> can someone help me with a sound problem?
[08:01] <silentrage> It seems the source with apt-get only goes up to 2.6.7
[08:02] <ironwolf> rync keeps erroring with "no such file or directory" when I push from A -> B, looking at /var/log/syslog on B that's running rsync --daemon
[08:02] <TTilus> You can fetch if from kernel.org too
[08:03] <JanC> silentrage : it's linux-source, not kernel-source
[08:03] <TTilus> ironwolf: propably then there is "no such file or directory" which rsync is expecting to see on its command line
[08:03] <ironwolf> does rsync not create directories on the destination?
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> I installed KDE to test the latest version - then I realized the sound is all messed up (Rapid clicking) - I thought it was KDE's problem - and went back to Gnome - and the sound is still messed up!
[08:04] <TTilus> ironwolf: try?
[08:04] <silentrage> ahhh there it is
[08:04] <JanC> :-)
[08:04] <ironwolf> TTilus: I've tried, it starts the rsync from A->B, A thinks it's working, B's /var/log/syslog is giving errors of "no such file or directory"
[08:04] <ficusplanet> Does anybody know if it's possible to use a card other than the airport extreme in the newest ibooks?  Could I use an older/linux-compatible airport card?
[08:04] <silentrage> Thanks TTilus
[08:08] <RuffianSoldier> can someone help me with this sound problem?
[08:09] <TTilus> silentrage: just remember to take the kernel config you use as your starting point from kernel-source deb
[08:52] <calamari_> bbl.. restarting my connection for the full 4 hrs
[09:05] <ironwolf> welcome rookie :)
[09:06] <Rookie> hello ironwolf
[09:08] <UROD> i am durak
[09:11] <lizdeika> yesterday upgraded hoary and gnome is in unusable state :(
[09:15] <|QuaD|> lizdeika: thats why hoary is labeled unstable
[09:15] <|QuaD|> do you have kdelibs on your system (they might have been installed as a dependency)?
[09:15] <lizdeika> i know but that is very unstable
[09:15] <|QuaD|> lizdeika: not true
[09:16] <|QuaD|> it has its problems
[09:16] <|QuaD|> what is your problem, maybe we can help you out
[09:16] <lizdeika> i think some kde packages are left after i tried to install k3b(no lick)
[09:16] <lizdeika> *luck
[09:16] <|QuaD|> probably
[09:16] <|QuaD|> dpkg -l | grep kde
[09:16] <lizdeika> how kde is related to gnome ? :)
[09:17] <|QuaD|> there was a fight over some libs
[09:17] <|QuaD|> that was a problem i encountered
[09:17] <lizdeika> i have no access to that machine now
[09:17] <|QuaD|> oh
[09:18] <lizdeika> but problem is i have no menus no context menus just plain top and bottom panels
[09:18] <lizdeika> oh and "minimize all" button
[09:18] <|QuaD|> oh, thats a problem some people have that i don't think has been solved
[09:18] <lizdeika> i have deleted all gnome related files and dirs in home -> no luck
[09:21] <lizdeika> i use hoary because it detects my usb stick and i can burn cds with gnome-burner
[09:22] <|QuaD|> lizdeika: just remember that this is an unstable OS and that breaks like this are expected
[09:22] <lizdeika> and its way more accurate about what kernel modules must be loaded
[09:22] <|QuaD|> i don't think anyone has fixed that yet (though it isn't affecting me)
[09:22] <lizdeika> warty loaded everything in its way :)
[09:24] <lizdeika> well its ok just gonna wait for fixes
[09:24] <|QuaD|> :)
[09:24] <|QuaD|> i haven't upgraded in like 4 days... i hear it is breaking so i am waiting cuz i  don't have time to fix it
[09:26] <|QuaD|> and on that note... bed time
[09:27] <lizdeika> dont forget: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade :))
[09:32] <linux_mafia> who would i ask/petition to get an option set in ubuntu kernel images, in hoary anyway?
[09:32] <jdub> linux_mafia: file an enhancement request bug or mail ubuntu-devel
[09:32] <linux_mafia> jdub, ok thanks
[09:32] <jdub> depending on whether you think it requires discussion
[09:32] <jdub> what was the option?
[09:34] <linux_mafia> jdub, to use beagle you need extended attributes set for your fs, they are set for ext3, and now inotify is in the hoary images, no recompiles necessary, but since i use reiser, i still have to recompile, id like it set, unless it could cause grave problems, but i cant see how
[09:35] <linux_mafia> would that be an ok thing to request?
[09:39] <jdub> probably, yeah
[09:39] <linux_mafia> ok sweet, cheers
[09:39] <linux_mafia> i'll file a request
[09:47] <NaillL> hey.... where i can find win32codecs for totem???
[09:48] <NaillL> i`ve added repository universe and main..... but there was no codecs.....
[09:48] <bob2> they're not in ubuntu at all, since it's not legel todistribute them
[09:48] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:50] <NaillL> 8(...
[09:51] <NaillL> so legaly there is no way to watch movies on ubuntu???
[09:52] <thoreauputic> NaillL:  bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:55] <NaillL> ok....i`ll read
[09:55] <karlos> hi..does anyone know how to put in a command that will tell me what programs i have installed
[09:57] <Dengar> dpkg -l
[09:57] <karlos> thanks
[09:57] <Dengar> np
[10:00] <monoxide> can someone help me with my sound probles??
[10:00] <monoxide> its workin really wierd
[10:01] <monoxide> works for some things, but not for others.
[10:01] <monoxide> works for some things in some cases
[10:01] <NaillL> i have that problem
[10:01] <monoxide> it only seems to work in CD Player, and only from one of my cd drives
[10:02] <NaillL> it`s because of 2 modules audio have been loaded into kernel
[10:02] <NaillL> but problems with CD i dont have
[10:02] <NaillL> oss & alsa conflicts
[10:03] <monoxide> so how would i fix it?
[10:03] <monoxide> i can easy just use one cd drive for music
[10:04] <NaillL> i just play with mixer settings.... try this
[10:05] <monoxide> i have, i have put everything on max and still nothing
[10:05] <NaillL> not max....
[10:05] <NaillL> =)
[10:05] <NaillL> try to disable somthinf... linein ... aux
[10:05] <monoxide> disable=mute?
[10:06] <NaillL> and you`ll need also to switch between devices in mixer settings.....
[10:06] <NaillL> yep
[10:07] <NaillL> but you just need not to load some modules
[10:07] <NaillL> is there anybody knows how?
[10:08] <monoxide> how do i disable them?
[10:13] <NaillL> i don`t know 8( unfortunally.... i think its loads with initrd..... hey smbdy help!
[10:14] <NaillL> maybe /etc/modules.conf
[10:14] <thoreauputic> lsmod to see what modules are loaded, modprobe to load , rmmod to unload, /etc/modules to make them load at boot
[10:15] <NaillL> sorry... but i cant help you....in cause of lack of my desktop..
[10:15] <NaillL> but there is a default module loading.... even there is no such modules in /etc/modules
[10:15] <NaillL> it`s debian
[10:16] <NaillL> only if you compile your own kernel
[10:16] <thoreauputic> modconf controls modules I believe - I haven't used it
[10:22] <yakfisher> could anyone help me with a boot problem?
[10:23] <spiritz> maybe I can try, go ahead
[10:24] <yakfisher> Thx. I tried to resize my suse partition last night ,using qtparted
[10:24] <yakfisher> now all i get at boot is the grub propmt
[10:24] <yakfisher> prompt
[10:25] <diego> what package is `watch` a part of?
[10:26] <svenl> Mmm, any grub expert here ?
[10:26] <diego> svenl: maybe, maybe not
[10:26] <svenl> ok.
[10:26] <yakfisher> lol. no worries if not, i'll just reinstall everything
[10:27] <NaillL> dolilo!
[10:27] <svenl> I got this amd64 box (asus A8V Deluxe motherboard), did an install yesterday on a sata drive connected to the via-sata driver, and today i rebooted after having connected my old IDE drive.
[10:27] <blomberg_taf> hello
[10:28] <spiritz> salut blomberg_taf
[10:28] <svenl> the bios finds the grub of the SATA disk, but grub fails to find the kernel, which i suppose it is looking for on the PATA disk.
[10:28] <blomberg_taf> j'ai un probleme, a l'installation , je voudrais savoir qui d'autre la eu !
[10:28] <svenl> i am at the grub command line prompt.
[10:28] <blomberg_taf> il refuse de charger les firmware de carte reseau , il bloque a 34%
[10:28] <svenl> blomberg_taf: dis quel probleme, ce sera plus facile, de preference en anglais ...
[10:28] <svenl> diego: so, do you know how i can, in the grub prompt list the disks and such things ?
[10:29] <diego> svenl: nope sorry, never used the grub prompt
[10:29] <svenl> ok.
[10:29] <spiritz> sven1: I think you can use the E key to manually set the booting parameters. Then since you changed the harddrives name you should set your booding device (the one with the kernel) to another one, such as maybe hda1 hdb1 .....
[10:29] <termitor_taff> svenl, sorry , when installer load nic-firmware is blocking on
[10:30] <yakfisher> is it possible to edit grub somehow using a live CD linux distro?
[10:30] <diego> yakfisher: sure...just mount the boot partition
[10:30] <termitor_taff> yakfisher, use the commande promt of grub !
[10:30] <yakfisher> ah. thx.
[10:30] <svenl> will try forcing to it or something such.
[10:31] <NaillL> a.... this problem i had only when i`d tried to install ubuntu with vmware
[10:31] <svenl> modified it to (hd1,0).
[10:31] <diego> what package provides watch?
[10:31] <termitor_taff> when loading nic-restricted-firmware-2.6.8.1-3-386-di_0.3_i386.udeb, is bloking
[10:32] <spiritz> diego : you should type watch in rpm.pbone.net, then it'll show you which package contains it
[10:32] <diego> ah nvm, found in synaptic
[10:32] <diego> spiritz: ^
[10:32] <spiritz> ok
[10:33] <diego> ok so procps provides /usr/bin/watch, how can i get the source?
[10:41] <Mesta> I just recomended ubuntu to my brother for gimp and xsane use but then I thought that I'm not sure about gnome-cd-burner burning images.  I cant find google info specifically on whether it'll burn images.  Will it?
[10:41] <Agrajag> yes, right-click on the iso and choose burn to CD... or whatever the option is
[10:41] <Mesta> I was told it supports backing up data not music, so I don't know where images files fall here
[10:41] <Mesta> k
[10:41] <Agrajag> oh
[10:41] <Agrajag> images, like pictures??
[10:41] <Agrajag> those are data
[10:42] <Mesta> yes pictures, scans,
[10:42] <Mesta> I imagine he'll being using png
[10:42] <Mesta> jpeg, and sometimes tiff
[10:43] <Mesta> thks
[10:45] <kuru> I need some help here.. I grabbed the ubuntu iso
[10:45] <kuru> I have a windows box (fresh from dell) with a shiny winxp home edition ;)
[10:45] <kuru> so.. I'm trying to burn it on a CDRW I have, I erased it..
[10:45] <kuru> apparently I don't have any software that would burn the iso properly
[10:46] <kuru> so, I had windows 'extract' the ISO
[10:46] <kuru> and I set the cd to bootable
[10:46] <kuru> my question is
[10:46] <kuru> where is the bootable image?
[10:46] <Zotnix> I'm having problems burning CD's in Ubuntu
[10:47] <Zotnix> I know you have to be root but my system freezes for a few seconds every few seconds.
[10:49] <Emanuelez> hello *
[10:50] <Emanuelez> is bluetooth sopported in ubuntu?
[10:51] <iMeXdiAC> emanuelez .. i think its supported .. though you will have to use the cli no gui yet..
[10:52] <Emanuelez> iMeXdiAC: no gnome-bluetooth yet? awww :'(
[10:52] <bob2> it has been packaged, but it's not ready to go into supported yet
[10:53] <Emanuelez> bob2: i see... thank u
[10:54] <svenl> Mmm, if i install windows xp, it will kill the grub install, right ?
[10:56] <Emanuelez> svenl: indeed :(
[10:58] <mojo> ah!!! WarCraft III no longer work with new nvidia-glx 6629!! NO!!!
[10:59] <mojo> ARgh...!
[11:00] <Zotnix> I have to add "options ide-cd dma=1" to my modules.conf... however... it says not to modify that file... how would I add this?
[11:00] <kuru> so, which file is the one to use as a boot image?
[11:00] <kuru> install/vmlinuz or sbm.bin ?
[11:00] <kuru> come on people.. ;)
[11:03] <icecrash> moin
[11:03] <iMeXdiAC> zonix .. imho you can create in /etc/modutils/ a new file or add it to an existing one that you feel apropriate and it should load at boottime
[11:04] <ironwolf> Emanuelez: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~jdub/warty/ add that to sources for bluetooth
[11:04] <icecrash> anyone who knows why php4-imap is not available for ubuntu? is there an official reason?
[11:04] <bob2> because it's unsupportable, iirc
[11:05] <kuru> bob2: you must know! what's the boot image to use when burning a cd for ubuntu.. the isolinux/vmlinuz one?
[11:05] <svenl> Mmm, i can always reinstall grub from a chroot from the installer afterward, will try.
[11:05] <icecrash> bob2: it's also not in the universe section, but available in debian
[11:06] <bob2> icecrash: right
[11:06] <bob2> kuru: ? you burn the .iso
[11:06] <kuru> bob2: i don't have software that could
[11:07] <kuru> bob2: I had to extract the iso into files and copy them to the CD
[11:07] <bob2> kuru: erm? what are you trying to do then?
[11:07] <kuru> bob2: get rid of this windows thing ;)
[11:07] <bob2> kuru: erk, no idea then, sorry
[11:07] <kuru> alright.. then I'll be the first to know ;)
[11:13] <Emanuelez> ironwolf: thx a lot :)
[11:13] <kuru> okay, question, what is the install/sbm.bin file for?
[11:14] <[dEvIL-bOy] > greetings
[11:14] <ironwolf> Emanuelez: thank jdub :)
[11:15] <[dEvIL-bOy] > would it be ok to consume someones time
[11:15] <[dEvIL-bOy] > as i am trying to install ubuntu on a laptop with windows xp
[11:15] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and i find it hard to create a dual boot
[11:16] <Emanuelez> ironwolf: jdub?
[11:17] <kuru> well.. that didn't work.. it told me to use a bootloader
[11:17] <[dEvIL-bOy] > how did you do it in the end then?
[11:18] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i thought i had to create a 50mb partition in the beggining of the HD
[11:18] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and create some boot options there
[11:20] <zeedo> kuru: the sbm.bin file is a smart media bootdisk, read the README.sbm for more info, but it basically allows you to boot a CD (or any other device) from floppy, useful for systems that dont Cd boot
[11:20] <kuru> so what the hell do I do to boot from CD ;)
[11:20] <lamont_r> Emanuelez: jdub would be the ~jdub in the URL...
[11:20] <zeedo> to boot from Cd burn the CD and it should boot
[11:21] <zeedo> if it doesnt stick the sbm.bin in a file and then boot that with the Cd in the drive
[11:21] <zeedo> err stick the sbm.bin on a floppy I meant
[11:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > hey hey
[11:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > if I want to install ubuntu on a hard drive that has already winXP
[11:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what should i do
[11:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i got the disk for ubuntu
[11:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what am i missing?
[11:23] <ironwolf> Emanuelez: jdub is an ubuntu God.... yeah, that's pretty much it.
[11:24] <zeedo> [dEvIL-bOy] :http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/
[11:24] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i think i have read that, but i'll try it again
[11:24] <lamont_r> [dEvIL-bOy] : an install CD? :-)
[11:24] <[dEvIL-bOy] > don't know
[11:25] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i got it of the net
[11:26] <Emanuelez> lol... thank u everybody... i'm not very smart today... i hope it's just because of the temperature LOL
[11:26] <lamont_r> Emanuelez: np
[11:27] <kuru> so.. what's the initrd file for then?
[11:27] <kuru> i take that back
[11:27] <kuru> what windows shareware software can i use to burn an iso?
[11:28] <crimsun> cdrwin, nero, etc.
[11:28] <nevyn> is there any "order tracking facility for shipit?
[11:28] <kuru> those are not shareware
[11:28] <kuru> or free.. or anything
[11:30] <crimsun> kuru: you said shareware
[11:30] <crimsun> kuru: both of the programs listed provide at least time-limited demos
[11:31] <broseman> Hello togehter! Are there any evolutin experts among us? I would like to public the availabilty informations (do not know the correct english word for that, german menus.. sorry) and I do not find any informatins about that. Who could help me?
[11:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > when i create a partition for linux
[11:31] <kuru> oh yeah?
[11:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > does it has to be NTFS or FAT?
[11:31] <kuru> okay.. i found something
[11:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > oi neither?
[11:31] <zeedo> [dEvIL-bOy] : neither
[11:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > so it would be just unallocated space?
[11:32] <zeedo> [dEvIL-bOy] : yes, then let ubuntu use that space
[11:32] <kuru> WTF
[11:32] <[dEvIL-bOy] > cool
[11:32] <b_e_n_z> [dEvIL-bOy] , partition number is 82 for linux... then you create a filesystem for that partition, which can be reiserfs, xfs or ext3
[11:33] <kuru> i get this isomagic thing and it tells me
[11:33] <tuxJr_14> hi
[11:33] <kuru> that I can't burn over 300mb iso images
[11:33] <[dEvIL-bOy] > but that is done with the boot disk , right?
[11:33] <crimsun> kuru: it sure would be a lot easier if you chose one of the programs I suggested
[11:33] <kuru> crimsun: I am grabbing nero6603.exe right now
[11:33] <zeedo> [dEvIL-bOy] : yes, just leave it as unallocated and ubuntu will handle the filesystem type when its being isntalled
[11:34] <tuxJr_14> kuru: must be in the shareware version. nero should do it
[11:34] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ok
[11:34] <kuru> crimsun: but I had already installed isomagic by the time you said that
[11:34] <svenl> Damn, ...
[11:34] <kuru> I just want something for a one time use and then wipe out windows completely
[11:35] <stvn> er.. is it normal that firefox deletes all your bookmarks in hoary?
[11:35] <kuru> Limitations:  Running until November 30, 2004
[11:35] <kuru> that doesn't look good
[11:36] <[dEvIL-bOy] > another question....i create the partition >reboot install linux> then how will i choose the boot options?
[11:37] <[SemTeX] > anyone tried a multiboot on an acer travelmate 8000 (or 6000)
[11:37] <zAo^> [dEvIL-bOy] , install grub
[11:37] <[dEvIL-bOy] > when?
[11:37] <[dEvIL-bOy] > after or before?
[11:37] <[SemTeX] > those things have a smartcard protection and i'm afraid that's the reason why windows doesn't boot anymore :(
[11:37] <tuxJr_14> [dEvIL-bOy] : it should automatically do it
[11:37] <zAo^> well, the Ubuntu setup questions you at the end of the setup
[11:37] <[SemTeX] > "ntldr missing" (and it's there)
[11:38] <Adrenal> my ubuntu is using like 350mb of ram
[11:38] <Adrenal> is this normal?
[11:38] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ok
[11:38] <Simira> bob2?
[11:38] <crimsun> Adrenal: ?
[11:38] <[dEvIL-bOy] > zAo^ what should i keep an eye open to
[11:38] <zAo^> Adrenal, with or without buffers?
[11:38] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what type of question can i mess up?
[11:38] <Adrenal> buffers?
[11:38] <kuru> _finally_
[11:38] <bob2> Simira: heya
[11:38] <zAo^> [dEvIL-bOy] , you must install the "Bootloader in the MBR"
[11:38] <[dEvIL-bOy] > gotcha!
[11:38] <zAo^> Adrenal, "free -m"
[11:38] <bob2> Simira: pictures aren't up yet since I managed to misplace my cable
[11:38] <broseman> Maybe I should explain me again: Evolution 2 gives you the possibility to publish something like "availability informations". I do not know how to use is. Who could help me?
[11:39] <Simira> bob2: where's all your pics from Mataro? I haven't seen your link in the gallery
[11:39] <crimsun> Adrenal: free -m |grep '-'|awk -F' ' '{print $4}'
[11:39] <kuru> I waslmost gonna reach for the credit card and just register for something
[11:39] <Adrenal> 152 mb free
[11:39] <bob2> Simira: and tollef ran off with his reader thing
[11:39] <zAo^> with buffers I have 1GB in use, so? :)
[11:39] <Adrenal> 346
[11:39] <broseman> SemTex: I tried it on a different travelmate model and failed withe a grub error. Sory, cannot help you.
[11:39] <crimsun> Adrenal: you have 346 MB of usable memory
[11:39] <Simira> bob2: but you did read off the first half, didn't you?
[11:39] <Adrenal> and 166 cached
[11:40] <Adrenal> kk
[11:40] <Adrenal> thanks
[11:40] <Adrenal> but y does it display so much less?
[11:40] <kuru> i hope all this effort is worth it
[11:40] <Adrenal> in system monitor
[11:40] <kuru> ubuntu should be good for my development box, no?
[11:40] <crimsun> Adrenal: Linux caches very aggressively
[11:40] <zAo^> and I like that :D
[11:40] <[SemTeX] > broseman: thx for the tip
[11:41] <Adrenal> ah, but the caches are moved apart as more memory is needed?
[11:41] <crimsun> Adrenal: the prevailing philosophy is that there's little point in having RAM if it's not used to speed up access
[11:41] <[SemTeX] > i'll try formatting it and removing all the acer stuff first :)
[11:41] <bob2> Simira: did indeedy
[11:41] <Adrenal> ah, of course
[11:41] <crimsun> Adrenal: yes, it's called "reclaiming"
[11:41] <Adrenal> thanks
[11:41] <[dEvIL-bOy] > zAo^ 4. Install Ubuntu the 'easy way' but DO NOT allow it to override MBR. It says it "should be harmless" but for me, was not. Instead, install GRUB to /dev/hda2(or whatever) and use WinXP? boot.ini for multiboot (well, I did).
[11:41] <stvn> anyone else had a problem with firefox removing all the bookmarks?
[11:41] <[dEvIL-bOy] > this was on the website
[11:41] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what is your opinion about it?
[11:42] <crimsun> stvn: not I
[11:42] <zAo^> [dEvIL-bOy] , trust me. When you want to get rid of Linux, and back to the windows loader, just install a Windows CD en choose "repair". Then just type "fixmbr". Your mbr will be Windows-like again.
[11:43] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ok
[11:44] <broseman> Ok, hey folks, where do I get some more informations about evolution? Does anyonehas a good link for me?
[11:44] <stvn> crimsun: hoary?
[11:44] <crimsun> stvn: for this context, yes.
[11:45] <zAo^> does anyone know how I can make multi-ISO's (XBOX) in linux???
[11:45] <stvn> crimsun: ok, strange, they were all gone this morning :'(
[11:45] <zAo^> stvn, are you useing a FAT32 partition?
[11:46] <stvn> zAo^: nope, standard ubuntu install, so ext3
[11:47] <broseman> Please: What is that reason, that no one react on my questions?
[11:47] <zAo^> stvn, different user? :-%
[11:48] <crimsun> broseman: sorry, I don't know much regarding Evolution. Have you checked the wiki and the -user mailing list archive?
[11:48] <stvn> zAo^: single user system
[11:48] <zeedo> broseman: what information do you need ?
[11:48] <tuxJr_14> broseman: most probably because no one knows much about it
[11:48] <stvn> zAo^: it's really odd, AFAIK there was no update on firefox yesterday
[11:48] <broseman> crismun: thx, i wil check the lists
[11:49] <broseman> zeedo: how to publish availability informations
[11:49] <zAo^> stvn, tried this? chmod -R 775 /home/<user>/.mozilla ?
[11:49] <zeedo> broseman: I dont know what you mean
[11:49] <broseman> tuxJr_14: yeah, you're probably right. thx!
[11:50] <broseman> zeedo: in evolution: menu | actions | third entry
[11:50] <stvn> zAo^: there is a new and empty bookmark file in stead ofmine
[11:51] <zeedo> broseman: on my system the third entry is "compose new message"
[11:51] <zeedo> oh in the calendar section...
[11:51] <zeedo> broseman: never used that
[11:51] <broseman> yes, sorry, forgot that
[11:52] <broseman> yes, it seems, that a lot of people do not us ist, but it's pretty useful, i think
[11:53] <broseman> but by the way: could you tell me the english expression for this "third entry". That would be a help, so I could google for it
[11:53] <zeedo> "Publich Free/Busy Information"
[11:54] <zeedo> "Publish Free/Busy Information"  *
[11:54] <broseman> thx a lot!
[11:54] <zeedo> np
[11:57] <broseman> okay, thanks to all and gb!
[11:59] <pusling> can anyone see from which package /usr/bin/add-shell come ?
[12:00] <crimsun> pusling: passwd
[12:12] <[dEvIL-bOy] > well good news
[12:12] <[dEvIL-bOy] > it seems to be working fine
[12:12] <[dEvIL-bOy] > doing some updates now
[12:13] <SeFoKumA> nas
[12:13] <[dEvIL-bOy] > any tips how to tweak the ubuntu for best performance?
[12:13] <crimsun> moin seb128
[12:13] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : hdparm for IDE/ATAPI hardware
[12:15] <pusling> hmm... If I miss the passwd-package - what other packages might I be missing?
[12:15] <crimsun> pusling: um, you ... shouldn't (can't?) be
[12:15] <crimsun> Priority: required Section: base
[12:16] <pusling> crimsun: it is a broken install that I am trying to fix.
[12:17] <crimsun> pusling: sudo apt-get --reinstall base-files passwd
[12:17] <crimsun> err
[12:17] <crimsun> pusling: sudo apt-get --reinstall install base-files passwd
[12:17] <crimsun> that must be a truly screwed install
[12:18] <pusling> crimsun: it is... trying to get a emulator-program, qemu to work. It is a vmware lookalike, but it segfaults when I try to install ubuntu the normal way
[12:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > crimsun hdparm for IDE/ATAPI hardware
[12:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > how?
[12:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > coz i'm doing some updates
[12:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > wouldn't that be automatic?
[12:21] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : the idea is to optimise hdparm settings for your specific hardware
[12:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ohh i see
[12:22] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : for instance, DMA isn't enabled for ATAPI devices by default
[12:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > hummm
[12:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i have a laptop
[12:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and i don't know the specifications for the hard drive
[12:23] <[dEvIL-bOy] > humm...
[12:23] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : for instance, use `sudo hdparm -v /dev/hdX' (substitute X with your device letter)
[12:23] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : that command shows you the current settings
[12:23] <pisuke> [dEvIL-bOy] , hdparm -i /dev/hdaX will give you info about your device then edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[12:23] <[dEvIL-bOy] > that's very good crimsun but i still haven't logged in
[12:23] <[dEvIL-bOy] > not even once
[12:23] <[dEvIL-bOy] > still doing updates
[12:24] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and ....
[12:24] <[dEvIL-bOy] > where do i need to write those comands?
[12:27] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : in the terminal
[12:27] <crimsun> either at console or in a terminal emulator like gnome-terminal,xterm,...
[12:28] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i'm a noob
[12:28] <[dEvIL-bOy] > :S
[12:29] <crimsun> the fastest way for you will perhaps be to log in via the graphical display manager, then open a Terminal
[12:30] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i'll get back to you on that one as i haven't had a chance to log in yet
[12:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what about wep encription?
[12:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > know anything about that?
[12:31] <crimsun> do you mean WEP "nonencryption?" ;)
[12:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > :) yeah...
[12:31] <crimsun> WEP is broken like a windowpane after a baseball is hurled through it
[12:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > possibilities to bypass
[12:32] <luiz> hello all
[12:32] <[dEvIL-bOy] > hi
[12:33] <luiz> I have just installed ubuntu and even after changing the root password I cannot use any gnome app that require root priveligies, it seems the gtksu is broken...
[12:33] <Ng> has anyone else installed ubuntu and brought their /home from a previous distro?
[12:33] <bob2> luiz: er, did you read the faq?
[12:33] <ctr> Ng: nope ;)
[12:33] <bob2> Ng: yes.
[12:33] <Ng> I did and I've noticed that my GPG keyrings have been blanked :(
[12:34] <Ng> hey ctr
[12:34] <Ng> I'm not 100% sure it was the ubuntu installer, but the dates look about right
[12:34] <luiz> <reading it as fast as possible>
[12:34] <Ng> well, I suspect it was actually evolution
[12:34] <ctr> ng: the files are blank or the program reads them as empty ?
[12:34] <bob2> the installer will not have deleted files
[12:34] <Ng> ctr: the files are 0 bytes
[12:34] <ctr> shit
[12:35] <ctr> I forgot to save my keyring when backing up my ibook when osx did a crash on me
[12:35] <Ng> bob2: yeah, I didn't mean that, it would have to be evolution, that's the only gpg aware thing I would have run since the install
[12:35] <Ng> ctr: I have a copy on a wickle CD somewhere, I just need to find it and remember the password I used to encrypt it ;)
[12:35] <luiz> The wiki is down, where can I find the FAQ
[12:36] <Ng> if not I have two unrevokable keys and loads of files I can't read ;(
[12:36] <bob2> luiz: the wiki is not down
[12:37] <luiz> bob2: I cant connect to it...
[12:37] <bob2> works here...
[12:38] <luiz> I will try a dist-upgrade first, thankas all
[12:42] <[dEvIL-bOy] > Edit the file /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc and change the line that reads FIREFOX_OPEN_IN="window" to be FIREFOX_OPEN_IN="tab". There is a comment about this on the line above
[12:42] <[dEvIL-bOy] > how do i edit this file
[12:42] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ?
[12:42] <nakee> hey
[12:42] <nakee> who is the guy responsible for localization?
[12:43] <daniels> nakee: there is no single point of contact for localisation
[12:43] <scizzo> eek daniels
[12:45] <nakee> daniels: there is a listed team leader, just no details about him beside his name
[12:46] <nakee> the universaty I study/work in is intrested in making a project to push hebrew into linux desktop as much as possible
[12:46] <nakee> I thought about recommanding them to use debian at start
[12:47] <nakee> but since we want to use stable and we don't want our patchs to be released only in 2 years
[12:47] <nakee> that using ubuntu might be better idea:)
[12:47] <[dEvIL-bOy] > trying to edit this file /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc
[12:47] <[dEvIL-bOy] > but i won't let me write to it
[12:47] <[dEvIL-bOy] > any ideas?
[12:47] <crimsun> [dEvIL-bOy] : you need root privileges
[12:47] <nakee> Anyhow I think it would work much better with collaberiation from the distribution we chose
[12:48] <nakee> and I wonder how intrested would ubuntu be in it
[12:48] <nakee> daniels: so I need to know who I should talk to:) any idea?
[12:48] <daniels> nakee: very interested, of course
[12:48] <daniels> email ubuntu-devel if you like
[12:48] <theine> hi, what's the cleanest way of changing the window manager in gnome 2.8?
[12:48] <daniels> but 'we would like to do stuff' ... well, there's nothing much useful we can say
[12:49] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what's the default password for root?
[12:49] <daniels> nakee: daf works on rosetta for canonical
[12:49] <nakee> daniels: ofcourse help with the technical how things should be done to be easily integrated, willingness to work and advise on bidi patchs
[12:50] <daniels> nakee: easily integrated -> submit .po files, bidi patches -> file them in bugzilla
[12:50] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : thank god there is none...
[12:50] <[dEvIL-bOy] > hummm
[12:50] <fg_ubuntu> hello
[12:50] <[dEvIL-bOy] > none ....
[12:51] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ...whatever?
[12:51] <daniels> [dEvIL-bOy] : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[12:52] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : you can easily set one of course
[12:52] <[dEvIL-bOy] > humm
[12:52] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i'll do my best
[12:52] <theine> is everybody using metacity in here?
[12:53] <seb128> theine, just ask your question
[12:53] <fg_ubuntu> where is the beautiful wiki howto? cant find it anymore.
[12:54] <fg_ubuntu> is that on the forum?
[12:54] <theine> hi, what's the cleanest way of changing the window manager in gnome 2.8?
[12:54] <nakee> daniels: well if they decide on using ubuntu (and would officialy approve the project) I would probebly come back with more specific questions:)
[12:55] <seb128> theine, try to change /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current in gconf-editor
[12:55] <theine> seb128: that doesn't work unfortunately
[12:56] <seb128> just killall metacity && wm
[12:56] <seb128> and save your session when you log out
[12:56] <[dEvIL-bOy] > where do i need to do this?
[12:56] <[dEvIL-bOy] > If you wish to use the root account in more traditional UNIX fashion, you can set the root password by typing sudo passwd root. This will allow you to use su or login as root on the console.
[12:56] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ?
[12:56] <theine> seb128: yeah, that works, it's just that everything involving a kill command is not particularily _clean_...
[12:57] <theine> seb128: but nevermind, i can sure live with that
[12:57] <seb128> theine, there is a gconf key
[12:58] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : do you know how to use the console?
[12:58] <seb128> theine, you can read /usr/bin/gnome-wm
[12:58] <seb128> the logic is here
[12:58] <trukulo> hi ppl
[12:59] <theine> seb128: ah, that's nice, thanks
[12:59] <[dEvIL-bOy] > nope, but i done computer>system conf> users
[12:59] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and i changed the root password
[12:59] <[dEvIL-bOy] > but it didn't worked
[12:59] <fg_ubuntu> sorry, i cant find wiki howto anymore. maybe the url is changed?
[01:00] <theine> seb128: I don't have the superuser (root) in there
[01:00] <seb128> you don't need it
[01:00] <theine> seb128: did you try to add root with the "Add User" button?
[01:01] <seb128> have you tried to change /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default ?
[01:01] <theine> seb128: I'll try in a second, first I want to log in and out of gnome
[01:01] <seb128> fg_ubuntu, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[01:01] <theine> seb128: sorry, that root thing was meant for devil-boy of course :)
[01:01] <seb128> I figured that
[01:01] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ohh
[01:02] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i didn't
[01:02] <seb128> don't add root
[01:02] <seb128> DOH
[01:02] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : so how did you set the root password in there if the root account is not even shown?
[01:02] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i ticked show all users and groups
[01:02] <sid77> hi
[01:03] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : aaah... :)
[01:03] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : well that should work I guess
[01:03] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : how do you know that it doesn't?
[01:03] <[dEvIL-bOy] > but it doesn't i tryed
[01:03] <[dEvIL-bOy] > do i need to reboot or something
[01:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i only logged out
[01:04] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : try to open a terminal
[01:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and tryed the root account
[01:04] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : can you do that?
[01:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > nope
[01:04] <fg_ubuntu> seb128, if you try www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowTo you cant find the long howto list anymore
[01:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > tell me where from please
[01:04] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : Applications -> System Tools -> Terminal
[01:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > terminal server client?
[01:05] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ok got it
[01:05] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : Or just right click on the desktop and say Open Terminal
[01:05] <[dEvIL-bOy] > next step?
[01:05] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : Right, now type ``su <enter>''
[01:06] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : without the quotation marks of course...
[01:06] <fg_ubuntu> seb128, ok i found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8278
[01:06] <[dEvIL-bOy] > yeah done that
[01:06] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : does it ask you for a password?
[01:06] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i take it i dont need to delete what was alredy in the terminal
[01:06] <[dEvIL-bOy] > no
[01:07] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : that can't be, just type ``su'' and hit enter
[01:07] <[dEvIL-bOy] > now it asks for password
[01:07] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : ok, give your root password
[01:08] <[dEvIL-bOy] > yeah, now it says root@ubuntu
[01:08] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : so it works
[01:08] <[dEvIL-bOy] > does this means i can log in?
[01:09] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : well, i would guess that the login manager is configured so that root is not allowed to log into gnome
[01:09] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : which is very well justified by the way
[01:09] <[dEvIL-bOy] > yeah
[01:09] <[dEvIL-bOy] > but i want to edit some files and no luck there
[01:09] <[dEvIL-bOy] > if i do that on the terminal
[01:10] <[dEvIL-bOy] > would i have the root priviledges on my user account?
[01:10] <Kamion> sudo vi /whatever
[01:10] <xevil> theine: can't you do "sudo su" then the p/w and get root in a terminal?
[01:10] <theine> xevil: sure, devil-boy did it in another way, but that works also
[01:11] <murf> hello, after installation my mouse don't work. :-( the mouse is ps2 type so i put to the XF86Config type PS/2 but i see only two devices /dev/input/mice and /dev/input/mouse0. When I use mouse0 or mice it doesn't work. So what i shall to do to have mouse work ?
[01:11] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : yeah, try to get used to a terminal based text editor and do the stuff in the terminal
[01:11] <[dEvIL-bOy] > that will give me brain damage
[01:12] <smo> You should beable to use a gui editor too?  "sudo gedit filename"  should work .. gedit from within "su" shouldn't
[01:12] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : come on, it's not that hard
[01:12] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : try nano, it's supposed to be suitable for starters
[01:12] <[dEvIL-bOy] > so your saying that i can't browse to the file i want to and edit it after i do the login to root in the terminal?
[01:12] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : no
[01:12] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : you are then only root in that terminal
[01:13] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ohh i see
[01:13] <[dEvIL-bOy] > and i take it the terminal doesn't accept dos comands
[01:13] <smo> dos doesn't take unix commands either ;o)
[01:14] <[dEvIL-bOy] > any website where i can find linux commands?
[01:14] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : no, but that doesn't mean that it's not infinitely more powerful than dos
[01:14] <[dEvIL-bOy] > true...
[01:14] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : well, the dos prompt I should say, I guess everybody can agree on that
[01:15] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : you have the ``cd'' command in unix too for example
[01:15] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : ``dir'' is ``ls''
[01:15] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : ``copy'' is ``cp''
[01:16] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : I don't know any other dos commands anymore
[01:16] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i got a page up with commands
[01:16] <[dEvIL-bOy] > lol..k
[01:16] <theine> [dEvIL-bOy] : good, try to dig into that, it's extremely worth it
[01:20] <scizzo> smo: its not hard setting dos to use unix commands and it is not that hard to setup so that you can use dos commands on unix either
[01:21] <scizzo> toying around at work with Solaris and other OS is nice
[01:21] <smo> I'm aware, I still use djgpp on msdos .. but I do think that trying to treat linux as entirely different OS actually hinders the learning process
[01:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > how do i enter to a folder in the terminal?
[01:21] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOy] : as normal: cd directory/
[01:25] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ok got it
[01:25] <[dEvIL-bOy] > now how to edit a file
[01:25] <[dEvIL-bOy] > when in a terminal?
[01:25] <sladen> $EDITOR foobar.txt
[01:25] <zAo^> [dEvIL-bOy] , vi <file>
[01:26] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOy] : that depends....you should use a editor and there are a few choices....vi, vim, emacs, jed, joe, nano, etc
[01:26] <[dEvIL-bOy] > where foobar is the name of the file?
[01:26] <sladen> where "foobar.txt" is the name of your file
[01:27] <[dEvIL-bOy] > so no vi <file>
[01:27] <[dEvIL-bOy] > or is that another way?
[01:28] <Kamion> vi is not a beginner's editor (and I say that as somebody who loves it)
[01:28] <Kamion> 'nano <file>'
[01:32] <N00B> root@ubuntu:/etc/mozilla-firefox # $EDITOR mozilla-firefoxrc.txt
[01:32] <N00B> bash: mozilla-firefoxrc.txt: command not found
[01:32] <N00B> man..
[01:33] <N00B> any other ways to do this?
[01:33] <Ng> yeah, you can call an editor directly
[01:34] <Ng> e.g. nano
[01:34] <N00B> even if i don't have root priveladges?
[01:34] <N00B> got it
[01:35] <N00B> now....how to use it?
[01:35] <lool> someone knows who admins https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/ ?
[01:35] <scizzo> N00B: read at the bottom of the editor
[01:35] <N00B> i know
[01:36] <N00B> but the thing is on the ubuntu website it says to edit the firefox file so i can open in the same tab
[01:36] <N00B> and on this editor it's blanl
[01:36] <N00B> and on this editor it's blank
[01:36] <scizzo> ?
[01:36] <scizzo> in the same tab?
[01:36] <supos> I have a bit of a problem. I have two cd drives, /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd. When I put a cdrom in the first one (/dev/hdc) it automounts just fine, but when I put one in the other (/dev/hdd) it just does nothing. I also tried with an audio cd, and then it pops up the music player for both drives
[01:36] <N00B> yeah
[01:36] <N00B> no
[01:36] <scizzo> why not open firefox....and in the address field type: about:config
[01:37] <N00B> in the same windows
[01:37] <N00B> in the same window
[01:37] <N00B> on a diferent tab
[01:37] <N00B> soz
[01:37] <scizzo> well that is a configuration in firefox
[01:37] <scizzo> why would you need to edit the file using a editor?
[01:38] <[dEvIL-bOy] > Edit the file /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc and change the line that reads FIREFOX_OPEN_IN="window" to be FIREFOX_OPEN_IN="tab". There is a comment about this on the line above
[01:38] <N00B> to do this
[01:40] <scizzo> N00B: sudo nano /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc
[01:42] <scizzo> N00B: you need to sudo to edit files in /etc/
[01:42] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i think i'm going to leave it for now
[01:42] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i'll be back
[01:43] <N00B> thanks people
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:49] <scizzo> hi
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> scizzo: do u use ubuntu? which release?
[01:50] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: hoary
[01:50] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: and warty
[01:50] <scizzo> warty on my laptop and hoary on my workstation at home
[01:50] <da_bon_bon> scizzo: how did u get hoary?
[01:50] <Ng> :o
[01:50] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: using apt-get
[01:50] <Ng> you probably don't wnat hoary if you can't answer that question yourself
[01:51] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: but hoary is not "stable"
[01:51] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: its development version
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> scizzo: what cmd? apt-get ?
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> i mean whhat after aptget?
[01:52] <Ng> da_bon_bon: why do you want hoary?
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> tjust wanna see the difference and try it ou
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> tjust wanna see the difference and try it out
[01:53] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: I do not think you are going to use hoary if you don't have good control of how things work
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> actually, i dont have ubuntu at all, i am waiting for the shipit CDs to arrive, from 2 months, and no sign yet!
[01:53] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: and for the record....if you look on the wiki you have a lot of information there about things like that
[01:53] <Ng> da_bon_bon: be aware that hoary *will* break on you
[01:54] <Ng> in interesting and surprising ways
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> actually, i dont have ubuntu at all, i am waiting for the shipit CDs to arrive, from 2 months, and no sign yet!
[01:54] <bob2> have yours shipped yet?
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no.
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> i really wanna try ubuntu, but theres no way i can get it.
[01:56] <bob2> on shipit.ubuntu.com, it says yours have no shipped yet?
[01:56] <sladen> da_bon_bon: http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[01:56] <da_bon_bon> no my page on shipit is not updated ever. it does not say anything about being shipped or something :(:(
[01:57] <bob2> you should email mako@canonical.com and ask what's up
[01:57] <bob2> if you ordered 2 months ago, they should at the very least be en route
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> i ordered 12 cds. is it too much? does that delay shipping?
[01:58] <Han> Hi, I noticed while running the liveCD that my network gets stuffed after a given amount of data. Is this a known problem? Didn't find anything on the forums.
[01:58] <bob2> da_bon_bon: no, that'd be fine
[01:58] <bob2> Han: please file a bug, giving the output of 'lspci -n', 'lspci' and 'dmesg' before and after the problem.
[01:59] <Han> rather difficult if the network is stuffed...
[01:59] <bob2> save them to disk somewhere
[02:00] <Han> hmmm oh yeah of course...
[02:06] <supos> Is there an easy way of copying audio cds in Nautilus?
[02:08] <da_bon_bon> bob2: actually, a frnd of mine was gonna ship the cds from india but he wimped out at the last moment :( so i had expectations of trying out ubuntu, which were largely deflated.
[02:11] <bob2> da_bon_bon: so you didn't order from shipit?
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no, i had ordered from shipit.
[02:15] <amathis> arg
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> bob2: but the frnd then offered to send me cd when i didnt get for a long time. but he wimped out in the end!
[02:15] <amathis> I HATE THE MORNING
[02:16] <bob2> da_bon_bon: well, email mako, you should have some sort of news on the site by now
[02:16] <amathis> da_bon_bon: give me a good kick for being an idiot? k?
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i mailed hi just now
[02:16] <bob2> cool
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> amathis: why should i kick u?
[02:16] <amathis> da_bon_bon: because I am an idiot o.o
[02:17] <amathis> someone kick me hard...
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> amathis: please be clear and tell me
[02:17] <amathis> da_bon_bon: read up ^_^
[02:17] <amathis> right before bagpuss joined
[02:17] <amathis> :P
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> amathis: i wasnt there, i suppose
[02:18] <da_bon_bon> oh ok got it
[02:18] <bagpuss> is KDE broken in hoary?
[02:18] <bagpuss> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:18] <bagpuss>   kde: Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed
[02:18] <bagpuss>        Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed
[02:19] <supos> doesn't anyone know how to copy audio cds in Ubuntu?
[02:19] <Han> bob2, The kernel doesn't have jfs support so I made notes. the networkcard had irq 18 o_O
[02:19] <Simira> supos: check the mailing-lists or ubuntu-forum
[02:19] <mart> supos: I can tell you how to do this on the console
[02:19] <mart> supos: I don't know if there's a nice gui way
[02:20] <bob2> bagpuss: it's being uploaded atm
[02:20] <bob2> well, was yesterday
[02:20] <amathis> k3b perhaps
[02:20] <supos> mart: I know how to do it on the console, but this is my parents' computer, so that's pretty much a no-go :(
[02:20] <bagpuss> ah, I just updated, I'll see if it works tomorrow
[02:20] <amathis> supos: k3b
[02:20] <Simira> why do people seem to be allergic to check out forums and stuff before they bother others about problems?
[02:20] <supos> Simira: I did, but I couldn't find any answer
[02:21] <amathis> why are p[eople who hang out in a support channel so against actually -helping- someone
[02:21] <supos> amathis: Yeah, that was gonna be my last resort, I just wish there was something in main that would do the trick
[02:22] <amathis> supos: 'cdparanoia
[02:22] <amathis> that is cmd line though
[02:22] <amathis> do you mean burn cd's? or just copy them
[02:22] <supos> amathis: just copy
[02:22] <amathis> cp data off the cd?
[02:23] <amathis> mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
[02:23] <Riddell> bagpuss: yes, it's broken, just install kde-core and then other bits as required
[02:23] <amathis> cp -R /mnt/cdrom/* /home/supos/
[02:23] <fg_ubuntu> hi all. it's 1 hour i try to found wiki howto stuff that was in www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/HowTo.maybe they moved all the howtos?
[02:23] <bagpuss> Riddell: ah, okay, thanks
[02:23] <supos> amathis: oh, sorry. copy audio cd in one cd drive onto a blank cdrom in other cd drive
[02:24] <supos> amathis: But that's actually also a problem, it seems I can't mount audio cds. Data cds are fine
[02:24] <netmonk> Does anyone know any brand of usb wifi that works with Ubuntu or a place where I can find info?
[02:25] <bob2> netmonk: netgear ma-111, version *one*
[02:25] <amathis> supos: go to /media/cdrom
[02:25] <amathis> see if it is there
[02:25] <Ng> hmm
[02:26] <netmonk> bob2, thank you!
[02:27] <bob2> two will not work at all
[02:27] <supos> amathis: I can mount data cdroms with no problems, it's only audio cds that won't mount. But when I pop in an audio cd it starts the music player, so the cd is alright
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> whats the smallest ISO recording program ever to be found?
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> unde win32
[02:27] <amathis> supos: go to /media/cdrom then
[02:27] <amathis> because it automounted it
[02:29] <supos> amathis: nope, nothing there
[02:30] <supos> amathis: running mount also says no cd is mounted
[02:30] <amathis> geg
[02:30] <amathis> g2g
[02:30] <da_bon_bon> whats the smallest ISO recording program ever to be found? under win32?
[02:33] <supos> da_bon_bon: dunno, but you might have better luck in a more windows specific channel...
[02:33] <da_bon_bon> supos: does cdrecord work undre win32?
[02:34] <supos> da_bon_bon: no idea
[02:34] <scizzo> da_bon_bon: this is not a win support channel its a ubuntu and Linux support channel...please respect that...
[02:35] <b_e_n_z> da_bon_bon: stop asking winblows questions here
[02:37] <Ng> at least he didn't say "winblows" ;)
[02:38] <Ng> I never cringed more on my old ISP helpdesk job than when a smug windows user would tell me about how they ditched "microshaft internal exploder" ;/
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> supos, scizzo, b_e_n_z: i am very sorry. i wont do that again.
[02:49] <bratsche> Has anyone else had problems with starting up and finding all your panels empty and Nautilus not displaying stuff on the screen, and Nautilus not accepting right clicks?
[02:49] <bob2> on hoary?
[02:49] <bratsche> Yeah.
[02:50] <bratsche> I had this happen once before.
[02:50] <bratsche> I had to move my gconf files, do gconftool-2 --shutdown and then restart it.
[02:50] <bratsche> And that worked, but I probably lost everything that was in my gconf files.
[02:53] <mart> bratsche: I read something about this on the wiki, it happened to me, just rebooting cleared it
[02:53] <bratsche> That didn't clear it for me, I tried.
[02:54] <mart> bratsche: might want to add that as a last resort on the wiki
[02:54] <bratsche> I had done a Synaptic upgrade, which updated my nvidia drivers.  But they were built against 2.6.9 (which I had installed, but I was still running 2.6.8.1) so I had to update my grub.conf to fix that and reboot.
[02:54] <bratsche> And that was when the problem began.
[02:54] <bratsche> Anyway, I'm off to work now.  I'll ask about it more later.
[02:59] <scizzo> yeah! Firefox seems to crash
[03:00] <scizzo> or...maybe not
[03:03] <Aure> hi everyone
[03:03] <hazza96> hi
 is their a way to compile a program and let it error all the depecrated functions I'm using
 so I can replace them
[03:08] <Kamion> that's too general a question to answer. deprecation depends on the library providing the functions.
[03:09] <Aure> lupus_ : generic solution : try to change the warning level
[03:10] <theine> seb123: still there?
[03:10] <SeFoKumA> re
[03:10] <lupus_> Aure, how do I do that?
[03:11] <Aure> depends on your programming language, environment, etc.
[03:12] <ctr> are there any nice gui db admin tools (mysql) for linux ?
[03:12] <hazza96> myAdmin
[03:13] <hazza96> or phpMyAdmin I can't remember the name right now
[03:13] <theine> is there an ``official'' Debian/Ubuntu way of changing the default window manager in Gnome 2.8?
[03:13] <hazza96> checked the forums?
[03:13] <ctr> hazmat, would rather not have to use that
[03:14] <mart> theine: update-alternatives
[03:15] <theine> mart: that alone doesn't do it I'm afraid, as /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager already points to /usr/bin/openbox
[03:15] <theine> mart: but Gnome doesn't seem to be affected by that yet
[03:18] <lupus_> Aure, sorry I didn't notice that I hadn't said it was python :)
[03:18] <mart> theine: what does your x-session-manager point to?
[03:19] <theine> I tried to change the gconf key /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default to x-window-manager (which should do the trick according to /usr/bin/gnome-wm) but when Gnome starts up, it hangs at initializing the window manager
[03:19] <Aure> lupus_, I don't use python... Try #python :)
[03:19] <theine> mart: /usr/bin/gnome-session
[03:19] <mart> theine: am looking at /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xorg*
[03:20] <mart> theine: see the second 'paragraph'
[03:20] <theine> mart: I want back to Warty...
[03:20] <cocaxx_> hi
[03:21] <hazza96> no you don't unless my hardware just went faulty it is causing all sorts of problems for me
[03:21] <zAo^> lo
[03:21] <cocaxx_> I have a default installation and now I need to compile a kernel module -> which package do I need for the source?
[03:21] <theine> mart: the one with ``if [ -z "$STARTUP" ] ; then''?
[03:22] <zAo^> cocaxx_, linux-headers-<version of your kernel>
[03:22] <mart> theine: yes, it tries to set the session manager first, so if that's pointing to gnome (and presumably the gnome session manager will start the gnome wm)
[03:23] <theine> mart: But are you sure that STARTUP isn't already set at that point?
[03:24] <theine> mart: Oh, perhaps I didn't mention that I still want to run gnome, i.e. just replace metacity with openbox
[03:24] <miausX> hi! :)
[03:24] <mart> theine: I don't think it is unless you have a $HOME/.xsession
[03:26] <theine> mart: the standard way is ``killall metacity && openbox'' inside Gnome and then save the session at logout
[03:27] <mart> theine: :) then I am stumpted
[03:27] <theine> mart: but that's so ugly...
[03:27] <zAo^> what is wrong/good anbout Xandros?
[03:28] <pusling> what is the name of the program in the install procedure that setups password and so on?
[03:29] <theine> mart: I mean, if metacity wouldn't be so featureless I'd excuse to not provide an easy way of changing the window manager, but unfortunately it is...
[03:29] <theine> s/to\ not\ provide/not\ providing/
[03:30] <mart> theine: I have just build kde3.4 if you want features (clank, grind, chug)
[03:30] <qbeek> mart, use "openbox --replace" and save the session. It's cleaner :)
[03:31] <miausX> mart in warty!? O.o
[03:31] <theine> mart: sure, but if I wanted to go for KDE, I head back to Debian :)
[03:32] <mart> qbeek: theine is running openbox
[03:32] <mart> miausX: in hoary, XFree in warty doesn't want to play with my laptop
[03:32] <XhyldazhK> hi all
[03:32] <theine> qbeek: I know, but that's so not very nice
[03:32] <XhyldazhK> how do I downgrade all packages from hoary to warty?
[03:33] <XhyldazhK> that was in the howto but the howtos have been deleted
[03:33] <miausX> mart, ah, oks :)
[03:34] <cocaxx_> where can I get the kernel-source package?
[03:34] <zAo^> how can I give a process a lower priority??
[03:34] <cocaxx_> (without apt-get)?
[03:34] <FluFlo> cocaxx_, go to kernel.org
[03:34] <zAo^> cocaxx_, www.kernel.org
[03:34] <cocaxx_> hrm
[03:34] <XhyldazhK> how do I downgrade all packages from hoary to warty?
[03:34] <miausX> XhyldazhK, uh? the howto is here  --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DowngradingFromHoaryHowTo/
[03:34] <cocaxx_> form the ubuntu kernel
[03:34] <HcE> zAo^: use nice?
[03:35] <zAo^> thnx hce
[03:35] <miausX> XhyldazhK, next time try the search field ;P
[03:35] <FluFlo> cocaxx_, you may ftp to archive.ubuntu.org and look for it
[03:36] <zAo^> HcE, and when its already started?
[03:36] <Kamion> pusling: base-config
[03:36] <cocaxx_> ok
[03:37] <pusling> Kamion: thx
[03:40] <cocaxx_> FluFlo: cant connect to the ftp Oo
[03:40] <FluFlo> cocaxx_, errr. Let me see
[03:41] <cocaxx_> ah
[03:41] <cocaxx_> com
[03:41] <cocaxx_> maybe
[03:41] <cocaxx_> ah
[03:41] <cocaxx_> now
[03:42] <FluFlo> cocaxx_, http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/
[03:43] <cocaxx_> ah
[03:43] <cocaxx_> thanks
[03:47] <lupus_> how can I let apt-get auto install needed dependencies
[03:48] <tck> it should do it automatically
[03:49] <bob2> it always does that, there's no way to tell it not to
[03:49] <lupus_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:49] <lupus_>   ubuntu-desktop: Depends: bicyclerepair but it is not going to be installed
[03:49] <lupus_>                   Depends: gimp-python but it is not going to be installed
[03:49] <bob2> you're using hoary
[03:49] <bob2> and it's in a lot of flux, and some stuff is not installable
[03:49] <lupus_> idd
[03:49] <bob2> wait a bit
[03:50] <mart> bicyclerepair!?! gnome gets more features everyday!
[03:50] <cocaxx_> gg
[03:50] <Zindar> it's a vim thing isn't it?
[03:50] <mart> apparently it does a few editors, vim is the only one I've heard of
[03:51] <bob2> it's a python refactoring tool, which works in vim and emacs
[03:51] <mart> oh, pymacs is just an emacs plugin?
[03:51] <bob2> yes
[03:52] <bob2> a beautiful/hack, one might say
[03:53] <moquist> anybody know which package has dos2unix?
[03:54] <bob2> did you forget to read the channel topic?
[03:56] <lifeless> bob2: ??
[03:57] <bob2> er, hrm
[03:57] <bob2> moquist: wrong channel
[03:57] <bob2> for me that is
[03:57] <moquist> bob2: :)
[03:57] <moquist> bob2: which channel are you thinking of?  I'll be sure not to ask that question there... ;)
[03:58] <bob2> hehe
[04:00] <bob2> it's in sysutils
[04:01] <javiolo> Hi
[04:01] <moquist> bob2: thanks.  :)
[04:01] <javiolo> has someone installed ubuntu on a emac g4 ?
[04:02] <pusling> what package do I need to get the x, gnome and so on ?
[04:02] <javiolo> seems i cant start to install
[04:02] <bob2> pusling: ubuntu-desktop
[04:07] <StevenR> Congratulations to the ubuntu devs on putting together a great livecd, works perfectly for me. Convinced me to try ubuntu on a spare disk. :-D
[04:07] <javiolo> has anyone installed ubuntu on a macintosh ?
[04:08] <bob2> javiolo: yes
[04:08] <javiolo> what model ?
[04:08] <bob2> ibook g4
[04:08] <javiolo> do you have any problem installing it ?
[04:08] <javiolo> im trying to install it on a emac g4 1.25 ghz
[04:09] <pusling> and which package contains ifconfig and networking tools?
[04:09] <daniels> javiolo: are you attempting to install warty or hoary?
[04:09] <bob2> installed fine
[04:09] <javiolo> lol
[04:09] <javiolo> when i try to load the kernel
[04:10] <javiolo> the screen change to white and give me a message...
[04:11] <javiolo> warty
[04:11] <javiolo> daniels warty
[04:12] <javiolo> i tested on a g5 and works ok
[04:12] <sid77> ok
[04:12] <sid77> I'm back :)
[04:12] <javiolo> only that it doesnt recognice a firewire HD, to make the installation there
[04:15] <javiolo> anyone ?
[04:15] <bob2> I don't know if that is supported
[04:15] <bob2> try asking on the user list
[04:16] <javiolo> well, i dont think so
[04:16] <javiolo> tried several times
[04:17] <sid77> javiolo, you should try booting with "install expert"
[04:17] <bob2> pusling: net-tools, but it's priority: important
[04:17] <sid77> javiolo, then before choosing partitions you have to load right kernel modules
[04:17] <javiolo> ok
[04:17] <pusling> bob2: it is a pretty screwed install I am fixing...
[04:17] <javiolo> sid77 how to do that ?
[04:18] <sid77> javiolo, you will be asked for that
[04:19] <sid77> javiolo, there still will be some booting problems: I do not know if yaboot can boot stuff from fw
[04:19] <javiolo> sid77 mm ok
[04:20] <sid77> javiolo, if he can find a good openfirmware path maybe shouldn't be any problem
[04:20] <javiolo> sid77 ok
[04:20] <javiolo> sidd77 ill check in a few minutes
[04:21] <sid77> javiolo, good luck! I think it's pretty hard ;)
[04:21] <ylon> How do you clone an ntfs partition to another ntfs partition?  We've tried partimage to no avail and now I'm working with `ntfsclone` however this is time sensitive and need to go directly from one partition to another instead of from making an image to restoring to another partition.
[04:21] <javiolo> sid77 :0
[04:27] <fko> hi everybody
[04:27] <fko> can I find help setting up my local network?
[04:29] <imka> hi
[04:30] <imka> how do i use a connected machines files with ssh through nautilus?
[04:33] <Ng> imka: open a nautilus window and go File->Connect to Server
[04:33] <imka> lets see
[04:33] <Ng> change the service type to ssh
[04:35] <imka> Ng nothing is happening
[04:35] <imka> imka@192.168.1.2  is that a right syntax?
[04:36] <FluFlo> maybe you need some gnome-vfs stuff?
[04:36] <Ng> imka: did it show a little "Connect to Server" window with a series of boxes in?
[04:36] <imka> sweet
[04:36] <Ng> aha :)
[04:38] <paladin_> can I see somewhere the difference between debian and ubuntu?
[04:38] <paladin_> except this 6 month release thing
[04:39] <Ng> paladin_: debian is ruled by beard, ubuntu is ruled by shuttleworth ;)
[04:39] <Ng> the respective project websites should give their mission statements, which will be the main difference atm
[04:40] <paladin_> ok
[04:40] <paladin_> ubuntu just seems to import sid packages
[04:40] <paladin_> and maybe applay some patches
[04:40] <bob2> and then polish them
[04:40] <bob2> brand them
[04:40] <bob2> fix bugs
[04:40] <Ng> yeah, the difference is all in the patches
[04:40] <bob2> add extra features
[04:41] <imka> Ng the icon is on the desktop but i can't do anything with it
[04:42] <Ng> imka: try with the Connect to Server again, but rather than put "imka@192.168.1.2" in, put "192.168.1.2" in the server name bit, "imka" in the user bit and then try
[04:42] <Ng> I'm not 100% sure that you can put the username and hostname in like that
[04:42] <Ng> although you ought to be able to
[04:43] <FluFlo> Ng, I had problems doing that on ftp sites
[04:43] <FluFlo> on gnome 2.6
[04:44] <tvon|x31> you can on 2.8 for sure
[04:44] <tvon|x31> username:password@hostname works fine
[04:45] <imka> tvon i`ll try that
[04:45] <tvon|x31> I don't know if you have to have a path... eg username:password@hostname:/path/
[04:46] <bur[n] er> someone should integrate gparted's .deb package into hoary!!
[04:46] <bur[n] er> it's so slick!
[04:47] <j3di`> is there an ssh server preinstalled in ubuntu?
[04:47] <tvon|x31> I think thats diff for diff protocols...not sure..  I think webdav has no second : but ssh/sftp does
[04:47] <tvon|x31> bur[n] er: I *think* that anything in sid gets into hoary universe automagically
[04:47] <tvon|x31> I might be spreading horrible lies though
[04:47] <tvon|x31> yes
[04:47] <bur[n] er> it's not in sid though
[04:47] <tvon|x31> erm, I'm fairly certain
[04:47] <earthen> does ubuntu have a firewall installed by default??
[04:47] <j3di`> ?
[04:48] <j3di`> where is mpg321 or 123 in ubuntu?
[04:48] <j3di`> or xmms?
[04:48] <seb128> earthen, no need
[04:48] <TTilus> earthen: do houses have doors?
[04:48] <TTilus> :)
[04:48] <seb128> earthen, no
[04:49] <TTilus> seb128: iptables?
[04:49] <earthen> i WAS WINDERING CAUSE I CAN'T GET SWAT PAGE TO LOAD
[04:49] <TTilus> earthen: you hurt my ears...
[04:49] <seb128> TTilus, no, no firewall installed
[04:49] <|QuaD-> hey, i noticed "readahead" was in the accepted hoary changes this morning, does that refer to the the new boot time changes?
[04:49] <bur[n] er> tvon|x31: what you said is somewhat true... but universe only gets updated when releases happen... (6 month cycles)
[04:50] <jdub_> |QuaD-: it's part of that, yeah
[04:50] <earthen> sorry caps was on
[04:50] <paladin_> hm, and every 6 month I will get an update? (except security updates which will be given regulary)
[04:50] <|QuaD-> jdub_: i don't have time to upgrade today, how many seconds off are we looking with these updates?
[04:50] <paladin_> or is there also some development tree like sid
[04:50] <earthen> so what could be stoping swat from loading
[04:51] <paladin_> which always has the newest applications
[04:51] <jdub_> |QuaD-: see the blogs
[04:51] <fko> can I find help sharing my internet connection to my local network? I'm completly lost with dhcp, route, iptables, dns, ....
[04:52] <|QuaD-> jdub_: i ahve been trying to follow the blogs... but they throw out soo many numbers, each optimizing something else, not sure which this is
[04:52] <bur[n] er> paladin_: there's a dev tree... aka hoary, but it's going to have broken packages and issues like sid does
[04:53] <paladin_> is it always as up-to-date as sid?
[04:53] <|QuaD-> paladin_: i believe more so (not sure though)
[04:53] <paladin_> problems are no problems here ;-) so it does not get boring =)
[04:54] <jdub_> paladin_: the development branch is synced with sid daily, but parts of it race ahead
[04:54] <paladin_> ah fine :)
[04:55] <imka> hmm something must be wrong with the connection between the 2 machines
[04:55] <twistf47e> does anyone know how to install bastille?
[04:55] <tvon|x31> bur[n] er: I was under the impression that during the development of hoary universe was regularly synced
[04:55] <imka> is anything wrong with starting eth1 as "ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.2"?
[04:56] <Se7h> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /home/seth/0.geral/azureus/libswt-pi-gtk-3106.so: /home/seth/0.geral/azureus/libswt-pi-gtk-3106.so: failed to map segment from shared object: Operation not permitted
[04:56] <Se7h> :|
[04:57] <FluFlo> Se7h, wich java machine are you using?
[04:58] <twistf47e> Can anyone tell me if ubuntu has support for bastille?
[04:58] <Se7h> ibm jre
[05:01] <ctw> Hi has anybody had luck with a serial internal modem in an ibook? It's detected, but I think the problem is that I cannot turn off the sound information that the modem sends to the OS. (not sure though)
[05:01] <tritium> I see that ifrename is installed but apparently not used yet in Warty?
[05:02] <tritium> (not called in /etc/init.d/networking)
[05:02] <tritium> If we want to use it, is that still a change we make by hand?
[05:07] <bob2> twistf47e: I don't think it will do anything useful in ubuntu
[05:07] <bob2> ctw: depends which sort of ibook
[05:08] <ctw> bob2: its a new-world g3 ibook from 2001
[05:08] <ctw> do you need more specific info?
[05:08] <bob2> ctw: I believe it's supported then
[05:08] <ctw> yeah, I think so too ... it is detected and I can connect, but the modem always hangs up right away
[05:08] <fko> I wonder if I am blacklisted in #ubuntu: I never get answers for my questions... :'(
[05:09] <ctw> I tried wvdial, and I see a lot of garbage after connection and then it quits
[05:09] <ctw> I read somewhere that one has to disable sound by sending ATZL0L0 to the modem, but either I didn't do it right, or it doesn't work
[05:09] <ctw> any idea?
[05:13] <Kamion> tritium: it's called from hotplug
[05:14] <tritium> Kamion, really?  I edited my iftab, and my devices are not getting renamed.
[05:16] <Kamion> that's how it's meant to work certainly; could be a bug
[05:16] <imka> i keep getting a "connecton refused" when using sftp. i do have a fw running but afaik that doesnt matter on the client machine
[05:16] <Kamion> eth0 is an annoying corner case
[05:16] <Kamion> the devices won't get instantly renamed, obviously
[05:16] <Kamion> you have to re-plug the devices
[05:17] <tritium> Yeah, this was several days and reboots ago
[05:17] <tritium> I used my old debian /etc/network/interfaces file.  Maybe it's wrong for ubuntu...
[05:18] <tritium> "mapping hotplug" "script grep"
[05:18] <ctw> I tried to use the gnome network-admin but that couldn't connect to the modem either -- according to dmesg it is detected though
[05:20] <imka> any ideas why i can't connect to my laptop via sftp? the network interfaces are up, and there's no firewall running on the server machine (laptop)
[05:21] <iz> imka, proftpd installed?
[05:21] <tritium> Anyone have ifrename working?
[05:21] <imka> iz no
[05:21] <iz> when you want to ftp you laptop you need a ftp deamon
[05:21] <iz> like proftpd
[05:22] <imka> iz afaik sftp uses ssh
[05:22] <imka> it even tells that it's using port 22
[05:22] <iz> aha
[05:22] <iz> imka, ssh is running?
[05:23] <ctw> any ibook users?
[05:23] <imka> iz how do i check?
[05:23] <iz> ps -A
[05:23] <imka> wait... top
[05:23] <shmoolik> hello when i start my UbuntuLinux i get this error ( on bootup ) "error inserting pxiehp"
[05:23] <tritium> Kamion, can you take a loot at my interfaces and iftab file to see if you notice anything wrong?
[05:24] <shmoolik> some one here knows what it means?
[05:24] <tritium> shmoolik, Are you using a Dell?
[05:24] <imka> ssh <defunct>
[05:24] <bob2> shmoolik: pciehp?
[05:24] <shmoolik> no i m useing P3 on ASUS MB
[05:25] <shmoolik> yeah PCIEHP
[05:25] <Kamion> tritium: sorry, in a meeting at the moment, I can only pay attention to IRC in spare moments
[05:25] <tritium> shmoolik, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#booterrors
[05:25] <tritium> Kamion, no problem.  Thanks.
[05:25] <zAo^> Does Ubuntu give a SIS 300 direct rendering???
[05:26] <tritium> shmoolik, basically, you should blacklist it
[05:26] <shmoolik> tritium,  thanks... i will read how i should do it ...
[05:28] <tritium> shmoolik, no problem.  It's a simple change to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:30] <tsw> how come firefox is version 0.9.3 ?
[05:30] <tritium> I keep getting GPG errors from Marillat's repository with every apt-get update.
[05:30] <tsw> on ubuntu default install
[05:31] <bob2> tsw: because the previews were too unstable to go into warty
[05:31] <bob2> tritium: yes, you need to read his website, then load his key into your apt keyring
[05:31] <tsw> but hasnt the 1.0 been around for a month or so?
[05:31] <tritium> bob2, thanks
[05:31] <bob2> tsw: yes, and there's not been an ubuntu release since then
[05:31] <zAo^> Does Ubuntu give a SIS 300 direct rendering???
[05:32] <bob2> zAo^: you don't need to repeat
[05:32] <tsw> does ubuntu have stable, unstable, and testing like debian?
[05:32] <bob2> stable and unstable, more or less
[05:33] <tritium> bob2, do you have his URL?
[05:33] <zAo^> bob2, I'm ready to install, but when it doesnt, what is the use then?
[05:33] <bob2> tritium: http://marillat.free.fr/
[05:33] <shmoolik> can i ask one small thingy
[05:34] <tritium> thanks
[05:34] <bob2> zAo^: eh? X will work even if DRI doesn't.
[05:34] <shmoolik> how can i add all the resent programs via apt-get ?
[05:34] <zAo^> bob2, I know that. Though, the CPU is a slow one, so I really like DRI
[05:34] <shmoolik> i mean like firefox 1.0
[05:34] <bob2> shmoolik: you mean, "How do I run the development version of Ubuntu?"?
[05:35] <tritium> marillat.free.fr doesn't seem to exist
[05:35] <shmoolik> yeah i think that i mean that bob2
[05:35] <imka> i'm trying to access my laptop through sftp. everything seems to be smooth, it asks for the password, and keeps asking asking asking asking, even though i did type it the right password
[05:35] <svend> how do I get ubuntu to recognize my scsi burner as a burner?  It shows up as a cdrom right now.
[05:36] <imka> any ideas?
[05:36] <svenl> hi svend :)
[05:36] <bob2> tritium: http://debian.video.free.fr/, I guess that's him
[05:36] <svend> svenl: hi
[05:36] <tritium> bob2, I appreciate it.
[05:37] <bob2> shmoolik: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:37] <bob2> shmoolik: assuming you can deal with it breaking at various times
[05:37] <imka> same with ssh. why does it keep asking for my password forever??
[05:38] <imka> i can log in as root
[05:38] <imka> but not as user... strange
[05:38] <miausX> hi :D
[05:39] <shmoolik> bob2,  thank u mean very much
[05:40] <EVH> hi
[05:40] <tritium>  gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 didn't help.  Still get GPG errors
[05:40] <bob2> yes, you need to load it into *apt's* keyring
[05:41] <tritium> okay, his website provides other instructions
[05:44] <miausX> hummm... I think amule don't work very well... the amule gui is awful! (font, appearcence... etc). It looks like a default gtk+ theme, but I have Industrial theme (both, gtk+ and gtk-2
[05:44] <imka> why can i not acces my laptop through ssh? the machines can even ping each other
[05:45] <crimsun> imka: did you install openssh-server on the Ubuntu laptop?
[05:45] <miausX> sorry... and gtk-2.0
[05:45] <tritium> bob2, I assume I use apt-key to do that?  It want a file where the key is stored.
[05:45] <svenl__> mmm.
[05:45] <imka> crimsun it's not running ubuntu, but the ssh server is running on it
[05:45] <bob2> gpg --armor --export KEYID | apt-key import -
[05:46] <imka> it just says connecting to 192.168.1.2... and hangs
[05:46] <tritium> bob2, thanks.  It would be great if somebody put those instructions on the wiki
[05:47] <svend> how does Gnome know if a cd drive is a cdrw?
[05:47] <ctw> Has anybody here personally installed Ubuntu on an iBook and gotten the modem to work?
[05:47] <tritium> I've never used apt-key before
[05:47] <imka> brb
[05:47] <miausX> tritium, do it yourself :D
[05:48] <tritium> miausX, I don't know anything about gpg or apt-key
[05:48] <miausX> tritium, register is free, and create an article on the wiki is like write a txt :)
[05:48] <miausX> Ohmer, oks... :)
[05:48] <shmoolik> bob2, thanks for the artical
[05:49] <tritium> even Marillat's website is wrong
[05:49] <miausX> s#@t... s/Ohmer/oh ... (tab)
[05:49] <shmoolik> bob2,  i must ask u have u used this hoary pakages ?
[05:49] <miausX> Humboldt, maybe debian.org/doc?
[05:50] <miausX> ooops...! brb
[05:52] <bob2> ctw: try asking on the list
[05:52] <bob2> shmoolik: I'm using hoary, yes
[05:53] <shmoolik> bob2,  have u came cross some bugs?
[05:54] <bob2> yes, lots
[05:54] <bob2> like last week /proc kept getting umounted
[05:54] <tritium> shmoolik, there have been a few update that occasionally take away the Gnome panel
[05:54] <tritium> but they've been fixed
[05:54] <shmoolik> hum thanks ...
[05:54] <tritium> I did see another gnome-panel update today...
[05:56] <bob2> there like 19 today
[05:56] <ctw> bob2: ok, thanks
[05:56] <tritium> lots of python updates today
[05:56] <joe__> Hiya peeps, I have an ASUS A7N266VM-SE mobo with onboard Nforce 2 sound and lan, Ubuntu and the lan work fine but I have no sound
[05:56] <joe__> anyone know how to fix?
[05:57] <tritium> joe__, some people (including myself) have to add acpi_irq_isa=7 to their kernel options at boot to get sound to work
[05:58] <joe__> where bouts do ya add that?
[05:59] <tritium> joe__, In your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:59] <tritium> there's a line with "kopt=..."
[05:59] <Mesta> guys what's the procedure on a bug that was reportedly fixed in hoary but is still reocurring in hoary?  I've added comments to the old bug but I think it's fixed status has it not send out mail after the date it was reported to be fixed.  Do I change the fixed status?  Or do I start another bug?
[05:59] <tritium> at the end of that
[05:59] <tritium> Some info is on the wiki somewhere
[06:01] <joe__> # kopt=root=/dev/hdb2 ro acpi_irq_isa=7
[06:01] <joe__>  <--- That ok?
[06:02] <tritium> Yep
[06:02] <tritium> joe__, But this may not be your problem.  You should search the wiki
[06:02] <joe__> k, ty
[06:02] <tritium> You can always try it, and if it works, then great.
[06:03] <tritium> sure
[06:03] <Lappy486> how does one go about upgrading Warty to Hoary?
[06:04] <Mesta> change all instances of warty in sources.list to hoary
[06:05] <Mesta> apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade, u want to update before the editing of soures.list too
[06:05] <joe__> tritium, If that sound dont work would the official driver from nvidia cure it?
[06:05] <joe__> if so how do ya install the kernel source
[06:06] <tritium> joe__, for your video card?
[06:06] <Lappy486> thanks
[06:06] <Mesta> no prob
[06:07] <joe__> no my mboard has intergrated Nvidia video, sound and ethernet
[06:07] <joe__> video worked when i installed the nvidia-glx module
[06:07] <joe__> ethernet worked anyway
[06:07] <joe__> now its just the sound
[06:08] <shmoolik> when  i do aptget update i resive lots of errors ... from were can i get a mirror list for ubuntu source list  ?
[06:08] <imka> i'm trying to use sftp (ssh). the 2 machines i have connected can ping each other. the ssh server is running on my laptop, i have ssh client installed on my pc. but when using sftp or ssh command, it just hangs at connecting
[06:08] <AndyFitz> ubuntu theme : http://brisgeek.com/etiquette/  includes a ubuntuised  novell linux desktop gdm theme
[06:08] <tritium> Not sure, joe__...
[06:08] <pdkl> does ubunut linux repartition or have a utility like partition magic on the cd itself?
[06:09] <tritium> Anyone have a working xorg.conf for nVidia with TwinView?
[06:10] <tritium> gotta go...
[06:15] <DrArcHeH> AndyFitz: only took 2 months :)
[06:15] <Synek> hi
[06:15] <AndyFitz> I must be in an awkward locale
[06:25] <imka> im trying to connect to my laptop via sftp but it hangs when connecting
[06:26] <shmoolik> i m trying to install my nVidia driver but when i do $ sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings he tell me that he can't find the pakage... any ideals?
[06:26] <fajmoh> shmoolik: get them from nvidia.com instead
[06:27] <farruinn> imka: do you have a firewall running on the laptop? If so you won't be getting any feedback when trying to connect
[06:27] <shmoolik> i don't think there is any deb files there...
[06:27] <farruinn> shmoolik: have you added the correct repositories to your sources.list and run an apt-get update?
[06:27] <joe__> Hiya peeps another prob, how do I mount my usb stick if /dev/sda dont exist?
[06:28] <fajmoh> shmoolik: why shall you have .deb files?
[06:28] <fajmoh> the nvidia-installer is simple.
[06:28] <fajmoh> very simple
[06:28] <shmoolik> fajmoh,  yeah but u need the kernel source ....
[06:28] <shmoolik> as much as i can remmber ...
[06:29] <fajmoh> ah, true. I always compile my own kernel anyway.
[06:29] <farruinn> it's not recommended to install software outside of apt repositories anyway
[06:29] <joe__> Any1 know how to mount the darn memory stick :/ I got my sound working
[06:30] <shmoolik> farruinn, yeah that is my main consorn ...
[06:30] <fajmoh> farruinn: what u mean can happen?
[06:30] <farruinn> fajmoh: it makes it easy to break your system
[06:30] <fajmoh> the nvidia-installer has a uninstall-function, you don't need to do inte manually
[06:30] <farruinn> ah, well that's a nice feature not all software comes with
[06:34] <daniels> um
[06:34] <daniels> fajmoh: people shouldn't have to run nvidia-installer
[06:34] <daniels> it should be packaged
[06:34] <daniels> which is why it is
[06:35] <fajmoh> daniels: yeye, but if it doesnt exist a .deb package
[06:35] <joe__> Anyone know how to mount a usb memory stick which is usually /dev/sda1?
[06:35] <fajmoh> then it's stupid to wait until someone has done one.
[06:35] <bob2> joe__: it should mount when you plug it in
[06:36] <joe__> nope and I know it works because I dual boot XP on this machine and it works fine on there
[06:36] <bob2> does it have a hfs or ntfs filesystem on it?
[06:36] <joe__> nope its fat32
[06:38] <fajmoh> does you have vfat support in ya kernel?
[06:38] <joe__> yup
[06:39] <joe__> Is there a specific kernel module that needs loading?
[06:41] <daniels> fajmoh: thee's a .deb around
[06:42] <fajmoh> daniels: okey, I didn't know 'cause I just got this ooold laptop running ubuntu
[06:42] <fajmoh> and it's no nvidia there :)
[06:49] <JeaLouS> hello i have a question about ubantu
[06:49] <JeaLouS> i installed it and cant access it as root
[06:50] <fajmoh> JeaLouS: just run
[06:50] <fajmoh> sudo -s
[06:50] <fajmoh> and type your password
[06:50] <fajmoh> then you're root.
[06:50] <fajmoh> it's all in the FAQ
[06:50] <fajmoh> FAQ YOU!
[06:50] <fajmoh> :)
[06:50] <jonmasters>  Hello
[06:50] <JeaLouS>  fajmoh  : i thought it';s debian like
[06:51] <jonmasters> Hmmm...I guess nobody's about. Well, Paul, when you see this - I'm here. Room 122.
[06:51] <Yakfisher> Hi. When i scan my computer with "shields up" it "fails" because the ports are only closed rather than stealthed. Is this something to worry about?
[06:51] <njan> Yakfisher, nope.
[06:52] <njan> Yakfisher, the distinction between 'closed' and 'stealthed' is that your computer is sending a packet back to the scanning computer to indicate that there's nothing on the port which the scanning tool has probed which is listening.
[06:52] <Yakfisher> ah. thx
[06:53] <njan> when 'stealthed', your computer is simply dropping the packets and behaving as if there were no computer on the other end of the connection; closed means that your computer is sending a 'reset' packet back to the scanner, but it isn't anything to worry about unless you're intending to run a server off that machine which you think is likely to be attacked.
[06:53] <bob2> no
[06:53] <bob2> if you're running a server, you by definition have ports which reply
[06:53] <njan> If you're running a server off it, the slightly increased amount of work which sending that reset packet back entails could potentially make the server less responsive whilst being attacked.. but for a client machine it doesn't matter.
[06:53] <bob2> so there's no point in dropping stuff on the floor
[06:53] <bob2> right
[06:53] <Yakfisher> Thx for that. just used to being stealthed :) assumed it was "better"
[06:54] <njan> bob2, 'you by definition have ports which reply' <= that doesn't mean anything in this context - he's referring to ports which don't have services running on them.
[06:54] <njan> Obviously if he has a server, he's going to accept traffic to ports which he's running services off of.
[06:54] <bob2> njan: yes, but you can't "be stealthed" if you ever reply to anything
[06:55] <njan> bob2, with reference to shieldsup, steve gibson considers individual ports to 'be stealthed' if they're dropping traffic.
[06:55] <bob2> lordy
[06:55] <JeaLouS> i have a problem with the font
[06:55] <JeaLouS> at the login main page
[06:56] <JeaLouS> it looks too large the names
[06:56] <arktick> can anyone point me to a good apache tutorial? i have it installed but i just want to know the basics on how to serve a page, not read through hundreds of pages of manual
[06:57] <arktick> i dont care about security, performance, etc, i just want to learn php and sql but first i need a working server. i have the default page displaying, but i dont know where to put the pages i want to serve
[06:58] <bob2>  /var/www
[06:59] <arktick> thanks
[07:02] <mart> /back
[07:02] <mart> huh, what is the irc for that?
[07:02] <MyKe3> hello i have just tryed to install nvidia driver via aptget ... and now my X don't load....
[07:06] <svenl> Mmm, why in hell does X becomes iresponsive while copying a bunch of files, this is a AMD64 3200+, it should not react like that :/
[07:13] <DrArcHeH> svenl: because you don't have dma enabled?
[07:27] <tsk1979> apt-get is getting really old stuff in my just installed ubuntu
[07:27] <tsk1979> how do i get newer stuff
[07:28] <njan> apt-get update
[07:28] <FluFlo> tsk1979, what do you mean with old?
[07:28] <RuffianSoldier> upgrade to Hoary?
[07:29] <Vince-0> U guys used Hoary - does it look usable ...
[07:29] <knot> hi, does anyone know how i can get my external ps/2 mouse working on my laptop (ubuntu), my touchpad works fine but it doesn't respond to the external mouse
[07:29] <tsk1979> i just did apt get
[07:29] <Vince-0> I gotta get 64bit CPU driver support for my 9600 radeon
[07:29] <tsk1979> it is getting kde 3.2!
[07:29] <RuffianSoldier> upgrade to hoary and it gets you KDE 3.3.2 the latest one
[07:29] <tsk1979> is there an option similar to "~" in gentoo
[07:29] <tsk1979> how do i upgrate to hoary?
[07:29] <fajmoh> I need to add more sources to apt, 'cause now I can't even get ncftp :(
[07:30] <fajmoh> which file is it?
[07:30] <Vince-0> tsk1979 - U gotta D/L new distro
[07:30] <oh8gdv> hmh. why is X slow? or is it just gnome?
[07:30] <tsk1979> oic
[07:30] <farruinn> fajmoh: /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:30] <RuffianSoldier> oh8gdv, what are you running?
[07:30] <tsk1979> there is no way i can just upgrade this one
[07:30] <Vince-0> tsk1979 - use synaptic - its easier than apt -get
[07:30] <RuffianSoldier> Man - noobtastic today
[07:30] <oh8gdv> I've used to XFCE's fastness with X.org 6.8.1 under gentoo and now this gnome bloat..
[07:30] <oh8gdv> RuffianSoldier: Pentium 4 2,8GHz / radeon mobility 9000
[07:30] <tsk1979> synaptic also shows old stuff
[07:30] <oh8gdv> fglrx driver, acceleration was enabled, I checked
[07:31] <Vince-0> tsk1979 - indeed - gotta replace urz
[07:31] <RuffianSoldier> oh8gdv - you have a runnaway process
[07:31] <oh8gdv> no.
[07:31] <tsk1979> oic
[07:31] <farruinn> tsk1979: you can upgrade by changing the repository you download from
[07:31] <oh8gdv> RuffianSoldier: CPU-load is not high.
[07:31] <tsk1979> so i have to download new hoary
[07:31] <georgia> RuffianSoldier: you were new to this at one point too
[07:31] <oh8gdv> is it just gnome or is xfree slower than x.org?
[07:31] <tsk1979> 550MB download!! eeks!
[07:31] <Vince-0> tsk1979 - select all the repositories and reloading synaptic
[07:31] <oh8gdv> tsk1979: it's small, isn't it?
[07:31] <RuffianSoldier> georgia - ya - im just saying - alot of newbs here today
[07:31] <oh8gdv> tsk1979: took lot longer to install than to fetch and burn to cd
[07:31] <Vince-0> <--n0ob
[07:31] <tsk1979> i am on 128Kbps... so its bug
[07:31] <thully> yes - add universe, enter in "multiverse", and reload
[07:32] <oh8gdv> tsk1979: oh. :)    8Mbit :)
[07:32] <RogueDopple> the word noob is against teh ubntun retarded policy
[07:32] <RogueDopple> of love and self flaggelation
[07:32] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[07:32] <Vince-0> jeez guys - I am on 64k here ...
[07:32] <bip>   ok i make love ...
[07:32] <RuffianSoldier> how about - newb?  Or Newatithahahyousuck?
[07:32] <tsk1979> in gentoo i can do an emerge --sync and and be with the latest
[07:32] <bip> u self fagellate yourself RogueDopple
[07:32] <tsk1979> should be similar way for ubuntu
[07:33] <farruinn> tsk1979 there is
[07:33] <tsk1979> where i can download the latest versions of a particular package
[07:33] <tsk1979> can you point me to a howto
[07:33] <oh8gdv> so you have no idea why gnome would be slow for me? (dragging windows eats 100% CPU and the windows don't redraw very fast)
[07:33] <svenl> DrArcHeH: Mmm, not sure, but should not be a problem, will check.
[07:33] <RogueDopple> how to google chapter one
[07:33] <farruinn> tsk1979: change your apt sources in Synaptic: Settings>Repositories, then change everything that says warty to hoary
[07:33] <RogueDopple> type "www.google.com/linux"
[07:33] <oh8gdv> wonder if the less stable branch would be faster
[07:33] <tsk1979> thanx :)
[07:33] <svenl> DrArcHeH: it is a plain ubuntu/amd64 install, it should be enabled by default, no ?
[07:33] <farruinn> tsk1979: no problem
[07:34] <oh8gdv> also, changing window in irssi is much slower than usually
[07:34] <oh8gdv> even windows is faster
[07:34] <farruinn> tsk1979: once you do that you'll have to hit the "reload" button
[07:34] <farruinn> tsk1979: just be aware that hoary is the unstable development branch so there are no guarantees that things will work correctly
[07:34] <DrArcHeH> svenl: depends on your configuration, but the most straightforward cause would be that. As io takes a lot of resources without dma
[07:34] <RogueDopple> now hoary is that also whorey
[07:35] <RogueDopple> ubuntu next release horney
[07:35] <tsk1979> farruinn: i like unstable :)
[07:35] <tsk1979> another question
[07:35] <tsk1979> after this apt-get update
[07:35] <Mirv> hmm, is the newest kernel upgrade to warty incorrectly marked as being in the universe or something?
[07:35] <farruinn> tsk1979: one of those crazy, masochistic, bleeding edge guys huh?
[07:36] <RogueDopple> i'm so bleeding edge i run fc 3 he eh
[07:36] <tsk1979> gentoo guy that too with "~" experimenting with debian stuff ;-)
[07:36] <svenl> DrArcHeH: it is an asus A8V Deluxe, and the copy was on a PATA disk on the via controller.
[07:36] <bob2> Mirv: warty got a kernel security fix?
[07:36] <Mirv> I noticed linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-k7 was in the universe after installing it, and now there are Base System (universe) and Development (universe) -sections even if I remove universe from the repositories
[07:37] <tsk1979> now lets say i just want to update kde... i just say apt-get install kde?
[07:37] <Mirv> bob2: I guess so, but I just wonder if something went wrong
[07:37] <tsk1979> right
[07:37] <DrArcHeH> svenl: you can just check it, `hdparm -di /dev/hdx`
[07:37] <Mirv> slightly
[07:37] <tsk1979> if i use synapse it will start updating everything
[07:37] <Riddell> tsk1979: in hoary the kde metapackage is currently broken, use kde-core instead
[07:37] <farruinn> tsk1979: now that you've updated your sources.list run `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[07:38] <tsk1979> thanx Riddell
[07:38] <tsk1979> hmm that will be a big upgrade :)!
[07:38] <tsk1979> thanks farruinn
[07:38] <Mirv> is there any place (besides this:) someone would like to know about the problem, if it is there?
[07:38] <thully> I also run unstable - but for the simple reasons that A)software suspend is in the hoary kernel  B)Hoary has better fonts than warty C)I want up-to-date software
[07:38] <bob2> Mirv: try asking on the list
[07:38] <symoon> hi
[07:39] <thully> I'm on a laptop, and Hoary's fonts are simply beautiful compared to any other Linux fonts i've seen
[07:39] <RogueDopple> hoary oh you so dirrty
[07:39] <symoon> on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogImages/ there is no link to download attachenemts ? is there a ubuntu-grub-images packet ?
[07:39] <svenl> DrArcHeH: indeed, that was it. Strange.
[07:40] <bip> ok search and replace warty with hoary ...
[07:40] <Mirv> bob2: ubuntu-devel? okay, I'll try that
[07:40] <bip> not hard as upgrade ;-)
[07:40] <della> hi, I've got a strange problem
[07:41] <RogueDopple> ha ha
[07:41] <RogueDopple> i bet you do
[07:41] <della> when gdm tries to start up, it opens a console with the mouse cursor and a black background
[07:41] <RogueDopple> heres my shrinks no. 1312 313 13
[07:41] <lillo> hello
[07:41] <symoon> della: did you upgrade your ubuntu after install ?
[07:41] <lillo> I need help on booting ubuntu
[07:42] <symoon> on my dad's laptop, i meet the same issue, and not with upgrade
[07:42] <della> symoon: yes, it's updated
[07:42] <symoon> try to create a test user
[07:42] <della> when it tries to start, it complains that it display :0 is used
[07:42] <symoon> ah at the gdm level sorry
[07:42] <della> kdm and xdm work ok
[07:43] <lillo> I have a SATA disk and an IDE disk. SATA is boot disk, and already has a primary partition on which resides WinXP. I installed Ubuntu on another partition on this SATA disk, but I can't install grub on the MBR otherwise Win won't load anymore... how can I boot into ubuntu?
[07:43] <murf> is it possible to install firefox 1.0 on warty wardog ?
[07:43] <murf> there is some older version
[07:43] <farruinn> murf: if you search www.ubuntuforums.org, someone posted with a backport
[07:43] <farruinn> quite a while ago, but it should be there
[07:43] <symoon> lillo: did you add a line in grub ?
[07:43] <lillo> ?
[07:43] <lillo> no
[07:44] <symoon> ok
[07:44] <RogueDopple> um uhuh
[07:44] <symoon> it is the point
[07:44] <lillo> if I do standard install grub, it goes on the MBR of the SATA (boot) disk, and winXp won't load
[07:44] <symoon> do you know the name of the partition where windows is
[07:44] <lillo> /dev/sda1
[07:44] <farruinn> lillo: you can setup grub for dual boot
[07:45] <symoon> lillo: is there a windows entry in the grub menu ?
[07:45] <lillo> yes, but it won't boot
[07:45] <symoon> when you focus the windows entry, type e
[07:45] <lillo> (that is, with grub installed onto the SATA MBR)
[07:46] <symoon> it will edit the grub entry for windows
[07:46] <symoon> you should check if parameters are the right
[07:46] <lillo> ok
[07:46] <lillo> what are the right params?
[07:46] <symoon> only the name of the partition
[07:46] <symoon> and chainload something
[07:46] <symoon> i check example file
[07:46] <lillo> btw, I've been told NOT to install grub on the MBR otherwise WinXp won't load... and infact it doesn't
[07:47] <murf> does anybody know what can i do, my mouse works neither in the live cd nor after installation from cd, i have a ps2 one, so i put type PS/2 into the XF86Conf but neither /dev/input/mouse0 nor /dev/input/mice works
[07:48] <symoon> try a lsmod | grep ps
[07:48] <lillo> is there a way to make a boot floppy? This way I could simply skip grub installation...
[07:48] <symoon> i don't remember the name of the module
[07:49] <Mirv> actually, could someone with warty verify that the newest linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-* upgrades are marked as universe, and available also when universe repositories are not being used?
[07:50] <farruinn> Mirv: you're right, it's in universe
[07:50] <Mirv> yep, so something's wrong (though it's merely cosmetic)
[07:50] <rcrockett> hello.  Is there anyone here familiar with configuring sound on a laptop?  Using Ubuntu - Warty release - sorry I'm new.
[07:53] <paladin_> why does ubunto import debian sid packages and not testing?
[07:54] <farruinn> paladin_: I'm assuming because sid is the newest
[07:54] <farruinn> people already complain about the "staleness" of warty, it would have been worse if they had used testing
[07:55] <paladin_> farruinn: testing is just a maximum of 10 days behind sid
[07:55] <paladin_> developers could save a lot of time with patching
[07:55] <farruinn> oh, I have no idea then
[07:55] <zAo^> lillo, fire
[07:56] <lillo> zAo^, ?
[07:56] <paladin_> farruinn: yep, its quite stupid in my opinion
[07:56] <zAo^> lol, my screen wasnt updated, sorry :)
[07:56] <paladin_> everyone thinks sid is so up-to-date
[07:56] <paladin_> bis testing is it too, and much more stable
[07:57] <paladin_> ~but
[07:57] <ubhuti> paladin_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:57] <paladin_> no, that's why I am asking
[07:57] <farruinn> n/m ubhuti
[07:57] <rcrockett> is anyone here familiar with installing the alsa sound drivers in Ubuntu?  I've used synaptic to get them, but I don't think it's installed
[07:59] <javi> hi, when I install kshisen on ubuntu, Apps menu bar won't update ... Do you know where must I put my shisen.desktop file ? I'd like all my users could play this game from apps menu ... I found about: /var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/ , /var/lib/gnome/Debian/Aplicaciones/ , /usr/share/applications/ , but I'm confused, why are three location and not uniq location ?
[08:02] <lillo> again, how can I make a boot floppy for ubuntu?
[08:02] <rcrockett> does anyone in this forum actually answer questions?  I've watched several listed - but no one responds.
[08:03] <farruinn> rcrockett: there can be many reasons for that
[08:03] <farruinn> first, not everyone knows the answer to every question
[08:03] <farruinn> I for one do not know the answer to the two previous questions therefore I cannot help those people
[08:03] <Mirv> second-and-halfth, the question might be too broad to be easily answered
[08:04] <rcrockett> fair enough - just checking to see if anyone was watching.  Thank you
[08:04] <Mirv> rcrockett: I was just going to answer that be sure that libasound2-package(s) are installed, they are ALSA even thought their package names don't included "alsa"
[08:04] <javi> ok, /usr/share/applications is the location
[08:05] <Mirv> rcrockett: I don't know about configuring, but if you have more than one sound source in your system (e.g. tv-card and sound card, or integrated sound and sound card), Ubuntu Warty sometimes selects the "wrong" as default and you may not get sound
[08:05] <Mirv> I noticed it myself
[08:05] <javi> rcrokett, alsa is installed by default, isn't it ?
[08:06] <Mirv> and yes, ALSA should be installed as default...
[08:06] <Mirv> the latter one could be an explanation if there is a problem with sound
[08:06] <rcrockett> well, it's a laptop a gateway 450x and it's using ESS Allegro sound
[08:06] <rcrockett> See, I thought the alsa driver was there as well.
[08:07] <rcrockett> I don't understand why I'm not getting any sound.  Everything else has been working beautifully.  Wi-fi . . . the full nine yards
[08:07] <chapter3> how can i find out what version of ubuntu i'm using?
[08:08] <Mirv> rcrockett: is volume control working, ie. if you open the full controls does it something about ESS or something else?
[08:09] <rcrockett> I see several different tabs - but the ESS Technology ESS1988 {oss mixer} tab is there
[08:10] <Mirv> what is the first one?
[08:12] <barry> i'm running warty on an amd64. i just upgraded via synaptic, and now my nvidia driver does not work. has anyone else noticed this?
[08:12] <rcrockett> ok, Mirv, I need to stop now and just say thank you - I had actually never looked at that full volume control before . .  I"m feeling like a real Dumb A#$ because, while the volume applet said the volume was up, the system volume was turned down . . . I guess those drivers were working after all . .
[08:12] <rcrockett> I can't believe I didn't look there . . .
[08:12] <Mirv> rcrockett: ok, have fun :P
[08:13] <chapter3> how can i find out what version of ubuntu i'm using?
[08:15] <chapter3> or will horay always be 5.04?
[08:16] <rcrockett> I thought the version went with the distro version name - but I know with Debian, you can update so much, so easily, I don't know how versioning would be maintained. . .
[08:16] <chapter3> ok, so dist-upgrade doesn't actually update any version numbers?
[08:17] <chapter3> just odd that i've been using apt-get upgrade about every 30 minutes (horay), and everything upgrades fine
[08:17] <chapter3> then today i had a bunch (55) package that would not upgrade with apt-get upgrade, so i just tried apt-get dist-upgrade and now they are upgrading
[08:17] <cristiano> hi guys
[08:18] <cristiano> pls someone help me to configure an Epson USB printer (C62), my pc looks not to find it!!!:((((
[08:18] <emong> ok, goto Computer, System Configuration, Printing
[08:19] <cristiano> already done
[08:20] <cristiano> oh btw the command "cat /proc/bus/usb/devices" find the printer but i'm not able to make it work:(
[08:20] <emong> Pick usb connection.. try #1 first.. then browse through the list of available printers.. It might be there. I'm not sure as I've disabled cups on my comp atm (no printer)
[08:21] <cristiano> i've tried all the usb # but nothing :(
[08:21] <thully> Hi - I have a winmodem driver which creates custom device nodes which udev destroys every boot - how do I fix it so that these nodes survive reboot?
[08:22] <cristiano> the cups server seems to work (i can see localhost:631)
[08:22] <emong> Have you found your printer in the list? Try a test print
[08:23] <cristiano> no i can't find my printer in the list
[08:23] <cristiano> i've tried to do a test print with all the printers in the list but nothing happened
[08:23] <cristiano> damn i need to print!!!:(
[08:24] <[dEvIL-bOy] > guys
[08:24] <emong> eek! Have you tried looking on a different connection (perhaps USB #2 - Port, not USB2)
[08:24] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i need some help with the mount command
[08:24] <cristiano> this is what the cat command says about my printer :"
[08:24] <cristiano> T:  Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  3 Spd=12  MxCh= 0
[08:24] <cristiano> D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
[08:24] <cristiano> P:  Vendor=04b8 ProdID=0005 Rev= 1.00
[08:24] <cristiano> S:  Manufacturer=EPSON
[08:24] <cristiano> S:  Product=USB Printer
[08:24] <cristiano> S:  SerialNumber=ABCDE0301201517330
[08:24] <cristiano> C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr=  2mA
[08:24] <cristiano> I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=07(print) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usblp
[08:24] <cristiano> E:  Ad=01(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
[08:24] <cristiano> E:  Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
[08:24] <cristiano> root@ubuntu:/home/cristiano # dmesg
[08:24] <cristiano>  SRC=10.3.136.157 DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 TTL=1 ID=62906 PROTO=2
[08:24] <cristiano> yes i tried but nothing to do
[08:25] <emong> cristiano.. look on the printer compatibility list. (Use google to find it, can't remember addy :) )
[08:25] <cristiano> C62 ever worked under linux (mandrake 10.1 before ubuntu)
[08:25] <emong> [dEvIL-bOy] : what are you trying to do?
[08:25] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i got winxp and linux on the same hard drive
[08:26] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : poor you ;)
[08:26] <[dEvIL-bOy] > but i would like to access some files from the windows partition
[08:26] <[dEvIL-bOy] > why is that?
[08:26] <surrounder> <- not fond of windows
[08:26] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : your first linux install?
[08:27] <[dEvIL-bOy] > yeah
[08:27] <[dEvIL-bOy] > is it that obvious?
[08:27] <spotter> anyone running hoary want to risk loading this url
[08:27] <surrounder> :)
[08:27] <spotter> http://www.jascoproducts.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online-store/scstore/go/2005_tech_glamcam.html?L+scstore+tjwj6461ff441244+110267804
[08:27] <spotter> it kills my gnome desktop
[08:27] <spotter> in firefox and plain mozilla
[08:27] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : okay, I don't know if there a clickety-click solution...
[08:27] <spotter> no one brave enough?
[08:27] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : but if your not afraid of the commandline I may be able to help you :)
[08:28] <[dEvIL-bOy] > it's not that i'm affraid is that i lack on linux knoladge
[08:28] <[dEvIL-bOy] > try
[08:28] <jonc> Anybody know anything about the IDE detection order for the Warty PPC installer?  I'm having weird problems with my busses getting switched with and without ide=reverse.
[08:28] <[dEvIL-bOy] > dont i need to install something first?
[08:29] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : okay, try to mount the partition using -t ntfs ( so mount /dev/hdaX -t ntfs ( or vfat) /mnt/windows
[08:29] <RuffianSoldier> and what was your error?
[08:30] <[dEvIL-bOy] > do i need to use root to do that?
[08:30] <tritium> I noted that xorg.conf still loads "dri" and "GLcore" even after nvidia-glx is installed
[08:30] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : sudo would do the job..
[08:30] <tritium> but it seems to be working just fine
[08:30] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : you know the devicenumber of your windows partition in linux?
[08:30] <tritium> surprising
[08:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > no
[08:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > instead of sudo can i do "su"?
[08:31] <surrounder> [dEvIL-bOy] : ok if I query you?
[08:31] <[dEvIL-bOy] > yeah sure
[08:34] <barry> has anyone else had problems with upgrading and the nvidia driver doesn't work anymore? i'm using warty
[08:35] <ACID|net> hey,  im just downloading this XLiveCD and have a few questions
[08:35] <ACID|net> at uni we can SSH into our server to run scripts and i was just wondering if i could use the XLive CD on there too
[08:37] <farruinn> ACID|net: you want to ssh into a server from the livecd?
[08:38] <farruinn> because openssh-server isn't included on the livecd afaik
[08:38] <farruinn> so you can't ssh into a machine running the livecd
[08:39] <tritium> barry, what did you upgrade?  kernel?
[08:42] <ACID|net> i want to connect to my uni (can connect via ssh) using the XLiveCD
[08:42] <ACID|net> how do i know if i could without trying it
[08:43] <dreamer> surely trying it would be the most logical approach :P
[08:43] <ACID|net> but i dont want to kill the server
[08:43] <dreamer> fair enough
[08:43] <jonc> Wait -- so you want to boot the server with the liveCD?
[08:43] <dreamer> I did manage to connect to a shell using the livecd
[08:43] <dreamer> so there's no reason you couldn't
[08:44] <farruinn> ACID|net: maybe I don't understand ssh well, but how would connecting to an ssh server kill the server?
[08:45] <ACID|net> hmmm, well ive connected
[08:46] <ACID|net> hmm, emacs has worked!!
[08:47] <ACID|net> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting    <----- hmmm, i take it that means i can run x?
[08:48] <ACID|net> i used the startx command
[08:48] <farruinn> this is on the local system?
[08:49] <ACID|net> no
[08:49] <ACID|net> remote
[08:49] <jonc> ACID|net: I'm totally confused as to what you're doing.  Are you booting the server or your local machine with the liveCD?
[08:49] <ACID|net> local == liveCD
[08:49] <ACID|net> remote == what i want to connect to
[08:49] <dreamer> why do you need to run the x server on the remote system?
[08:49] <farruinn> ACID|net: I think you need gdmflexiserver to use X remotely like that, which afaik isn't on the livecd
[08:50] <ACID|net> hmmm
[08:50] <farruinn> I'm no expert in this though, so I could be wrong
[08:50] <dreamer> what are you actually trying to do?
[08:50] <dreamer> run an app from the server on your machine?
[08:50] <ACID|net> use the server as if im locla
[08:50] <dreamer> a graphical one?
[08:50] <ACID|net> yeah
[08:50] <dreamer> ah
[08:51] <dreamer> see farruin's comment ;)
[08:51] <dreamer> do you need the graphical stuff?
[08:52] <ACID|net> yeah
[08:52] <dreamer> RuffianSoldier: if you're trying to make me jealous, you've succeeded :P
[08:53] <RuffianSoldier> yup 1 dollar and 53 cents
[08:53] <RuffianSoldier> 2 dollars*
[08:53] <dreamer> <- didn't get paid last night
[08:53] <Ribs> lol
[08:53] <Ribs> surely there would only be one decimal point, RuffianSoldier?
[08:54] <RuffianSoldier> Ribs - its kinda an inside joke
[08:56] <jdong> any Hoary users in here?
[08:57] <RuffianSoldier> me!
[08:57] <jdong> do any hoary users experience problems with HOTPLUG that weren't in Warty?
[08:57] <RuffianSoldier> no
[08:57] <jdong> cuz I'm considering backporting Hoary hotplug for Warty...
[08:57] <jdong> [since it is double Warty's speed!
[08:57] <RuffianSoldier> I put a DVD - Ogle pops up - I plug in my camera -the folder pops up
[08:58] <RuffianSoldier> etc and so on
[08:58] <jdong> ok, I'll build a testing package
[08:58] <jonc> Has anybody dealt with the /sbin/pivot_root problem before?
[08:58] <jonc> Er..
[08:58] <RuffianSoldier> no
[08:58] <jonc> The post-install booting problem, that is.
[09:08] <jonc> Anybody installed Warty on a PPC box?
[09:10] <farruinn> jonc, yeah, beige g3
[09:10] <scizzo> y0 people
[09:11] <xulin> hi
[09:11] <xulin> how many time does it take to reaceave the cd :) ?
[09:11] <dreamer> took me 2-3 months :D
[09:11] <dreamer> but I live in middle earth :P
[09:11] <RuffianSoldier> nerd
[09:12] <dreamer> <- new zealander
[09:12] <RuffianSoldier> aaaaaaaah
[09:12] <RuffianSoldier> I was gonna say
[09:12] <farruinn> lol
[09:12] <farruinn> dreamer: that's good =)
[09:12] <dreamer> :)
[09:13] <punkrockguy318> The nvidia drivers don't work with the new kernel update...
[09:13] <punkrockguy318> how can I get them to work?
[09:13] <gosh> hi everyone
[09:14] <gosh> some one here uses gDesklets??
[09:14] <Ribs> punkrockguy318: remove them, and install the proper ones manually
[09:14] <RuffianSoldier> me
[09:14] <punkrockguy318> Ribs, the ones from the nvidia site will work fine?
[09:15] <Ribs> punkrockguy318: I'm using them right now.
[09:15] <RuffianSoldier> gosh -me
[09:15] <Ribs> punkrockguy318: But make sure you remove the synaptic ones first.
[09:15] <cenerentola> punkrockguy318: me too.
[09:15] <punkrockguy318> what did the nvidia-glx-config enable do?
[09:15] <Ribs> otherwise every OpenGL application will segfault :)
[09:16] <gosh> how do i use it?
[09:16] <RuffianSoldier> is it installed?
[09:16] <gosh> i installed from apt
[09:16] <RuffianSoldier> you in Hoary gosh?
[09:16] <gosh> nop
[09:16] <cenerentola> gosh: well you need to activate panels
[09:16] <RuffianSoldier> then you cant use Gdesklets gosh
[09:16] <RuffianSoldier> its an old version
[09:16] <RuffianSoldier> nothing is compatable with it anymore
[09:17] <Aure> punkrockguy318, it's not exhaustive, but he makes a s/nv/nvidia in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> you can add hoary repos once just to get it real quick
[09:17] <oh8gdv> http://joneskoo.kapsi.fi/ubuntu_2004-12-16.png
[09:17] <cenerentola> RuffianSoldier: what?
[09:17] <oh8gdv> not bad, considering I installed today :)
[09:17] <cenerentola> gosh: are u in warty*?
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> ya
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> why?
[09:17] <punkrockguy318> Aure, oh
[09:17] <gosh> how can activate panels?
[09:17] <RuffianSoldier> you need a new version
[09:18] <cenerentola> oh8gdv: where did you get the background?
[09:18] <cenerentola> RuffianSoldier: are you sure?
[09:18] <oh8gdv> cenerentola: a sec, I'll see if I still have it
[09:18] <RuffianSoldier> cenerentola - yes - very much so
[09:18] <gosh> yes im in warty
[09:18] <cenerentola> RuffianSoldier: i used gdesklets in warty..
[09:18] <oh8gdv> gnome-look.org
[09:18] <cenerentola> oh8gdv: how is it called?
[09:18] <oh8gdv> cenerentola: in 1600x1200 wallpapers page 8
[09:18] <Mesta> can one dist-upgrade continually forever and be reasonably prudent?
[09:19] <RuffianSoldier> gosh - apt-get remove gdesklets - add hoary repos - apt-get update then apt-get install gdesklets then remove hoary repos when yourdone
[09:19] <oh8gdv> cenerentola: Tux Information 1600x1200-1280x.....
[09:19] <gosh> but is not the same?
[09:19] <gosh> i already have a process gDesklets
[09:19] <cenerentola> gosh: ...
[09:19] <gosh> but i don't see nothing
[09:19] <cenerentola> gosh: RuffianSoldier's ones are newer
[09:19] <RuffianSoldier> cuz its an old version
[09:19] <cenerentola> RuffianSoldier: so?
[09:19] <RuffianSoldier> hoary ahs the latest
[09:20] <RuffianSoldier> its ALOT better
[09:20] <RuffianSoldier> and ALOT different
[09:20] <RuffianSoldier> ALOT more usable
[09:20] <gosh> i can't use this one?
[09:20] <cenerentola> RuffianSoldier: which is different from necessary
[09:20] <gosh> ok
[09:20] <gosh> i do that
[09:20] <cenerentola> oh8gdv: thank you
[09:20] <oh8gdv> hmh.
[09:21] <oh8gdv> now when I've removed all the gnome-bloat, this X feels almost usable :)
[09:21] <oh8gdv> tried tuxracer and neverball, worked great.
[09:21] <oh8gdv> I guess ati's binary drivers work with ubuntu's X so well I won't try to upgrade and get x.org
[09:21] <oh8gdv> yet, at least
[09:22] <cenerentola> gosh: if you want to see panels you need to install and activate them..
[09:25] <nykto> is there a ssh server preinstalled?
[09:25] <punkrockguy318> apt-get install openssh
[09:25] <farruinn> openssh-server even
[09:25] <farruinn> unless openssh is a dummy package
[09:25] <punkrockguy318> yeah
[09:26] <nykto> what is the repositories for debian?
[09:26] <nykto> can i just use synaptic to install?
[09:27] <punkrockguy318> yup
[09:30] <jdong> ok, got Hotplug from 11.6s down to 3.7s
[09:30] <jdong> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=430876
[09:32] <gosh> if i update gDesklets it's ok tu eliminate ubuntu desktop, and gnome-applets,etc?
[09:32] <farruinn> gosh, ubuntu-desktop is simply a dummy package, so yes
[09:32] <N00B> what is the server type for a hotmail account on evulotion?
[09:33] <gosh> no, i want gdesklets, here tellme that i update from hoary, but if i do, this elimintaes evolution, gnomeapplets, ubuntu desktop, and a few more
[09:33] <gosh> this is normal?
[09:34] <zerokarmaleft_> N00B, evolution doesn't support hotmail accounts
[09:34] <TTilus> N00B: AFAIK you cant access hotmail with POP3 or IMAP
[09:34] <zenwhen> N00B, I am not sure that evo can do hotmail.
[09:34] <N00B> cheers
[09:34] <jdong> it CANT
[09:35] <farruinn> gosh, no, those others are not good things to remove
[09:35] <zenwhen> I could be wrong though.
[09:35] <TTilus> zerokarmaleft_: wrong, _hotmail_ doesnt support remote usage
[09:35] <thully> Hi - I have a winmodem which uses special device nodes that are destroyed every time I reboot the computer - how can I fix it so that these nodes are not destroyed each boot?  I think it has to do w/udev.
[09:35] <N00B> how can i play mp3s?
[09:36] <gosh> noo you have to install libgstreamer-mad
[09:36] <calc> didn't hotmail change over to a pay for remote use as well?
[09:37] <scizzo> N00B: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:39] <enabl> you can use gotmail to get evolution to use hotmail
[09:50] <JanC> it seems like there is a (over)load problem with  https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/ ?
[10:00] <Aure> what should i put in /etc/fstab to permits non-root users to write on my usb key ?
[10:00] <Aure> -s
[10:01] <N00B> if i want to use azerus do i need to have java installed?
[10:02] <farruinn> Aure: I think if you put "user" in the options column you'll get what you're looking for
[10:03] <Aure> /dev/sda1       /media/usbkey   vfat    defaults,user,noauto,noexec     0       0 < it doesn't work!
[10:04] <njan> noauto,umask=0,quiet
[10:04] <Aure> njan, only that ?
[10:05] <Aure> not defaults noexcec and user ?
[10:05] <farruinn> I think the important option there is the umask=0
[10:05] <Aure> ok, i'il test
[10:06] <Aure> njan, yes, it works!
[10:06] <njan> :)
[10:07] <Aure> thanks
[10:09] <Kyaneos> hi
[10:10] <thully> Anybody have a solution for my winmodem issue?
[10:10] <j3di`> is this where i can get answers about gnoppix?
[10:11] <Ribs> ohhh
[10:11] <Ribs> Ubuntu is now ranked number nine on distrowatch
[10:15] <j3di`> anyone know if there is an installer on the "warty 0.8.2" release of gnoppix
[10:16] <Rocha> Good evening
[10:16] <Rocha> Is there anyway i can change the PATH variable while using Gnome ?
[10:16] <farruinn> mm, I know there was a thread on $PATH a while ago on ubuntu-users
[10:17] <Rocha> I mean...without using a shell prompt
[10:17] <ACID|net> what is gnoppix?
[10:17] <Rocha> ACID|net, Gnome LiveCD similar to Knoppix
[10:17] <j3di`> its a livecd
[10:17] <j3di`> yeah, lately its based on ubuntu
[10:17] <j3di`> i like unbuntu, but id rather have a werking system when i install
[10:18] <ACID|net> so whats the different between the gnoppix live cd and ubuntu??
[10:18] <Rocha> ACID|net, ubuntu is not a live cd
[10:18] <j3di`> i installed ubuntu and it was lacking everything
[10:18] <j3di`> i know
[10:18] <ACID|net> Rocha: it has a live cd tho
[10:18] <farruinn> j3di`: there is a lot of stuff in the universe component
[10:18] <ACID|net> j3di`: Like what??? Apart from mp3 supprt which would be nice
[10:18] <farruinn> not installed by default
[10:18] <j3di`> i love gnoppix, but there doesnt seem to be an installer script
[10:18] <j3di`> universe component?
[10:19] <j3di`> is there an ssh server?
[10:19] <j3di`> xmms?
[10:19] <j3di`> mpg321?
[10:19] <farruinn> yes
[10:19] <j3di`> mplayer?
[10:19] <j3di`> vlc?
[10:19] <farruinn> yes
[10:19] <j3di`> yes what?
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> hey - someone run a traceroute on me please
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> and paste results
[10:19] <ACID|net> j3di`: There all very easy to install - and u need to remember - its only 1 cd!
[10:19] <farruinn> j3di`: all of those things are available in ubuntu to my knowledge
[10:20] <dsoft> hiya
[10:20] <ACID|net> mandrake and debian are a lot more
[10:20] <j3di`> ? i dont get it
[10:20] <farruinn> j3di`: you have to download them from the net
[10:20] <j3di`> if its on the cd why doesnt it install?
[10:20] <dsoft> there is any chance of install kde on ubuntu by apt-get?
[10:20] <N00B> HEY peeps
[10:20] <farruinn> it's a livecd, livecd's aren't used for installing
[10:20] <ACID|net> dsoft: yep
[10:20] <N00B> i got this file gnomp3_0.1.7.orig.tar.gz
[10:20] <N00B> how do i install it?
[10:20] <housetier> RuffianSoldier I guess you are dropping icmp requests?
[10:20] <dsoft> what the name of the packek of kde? ACID|net
[10:20] <dsoft> paquet
[10:20] <N00B> shall i extract the folder inside?
[10:20] <farruinn> N00B: what are you trying to install?  is it available with apt?
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> housetier - "Thank you SUSE Firewall"
[10:20] <ACID|net> dsoft: theres a lot, u need to use synaptic and tick all with kde i think
[10:20] <housetier> or whatever it is that makes it hard to ping you
[10:21] <N00B> i don't know
[10:21] <N00B> i was after a mp3 player
[10:21] <j3di`> morphix is a live cd you can install
[10:21] <Riddell> dsoft: kde-core will give you the essentials
[10:21] <j3di`> same with knoppix
[10:21] <dsoft> oki
[10:21] <farruinn> j3di`: ah, well then there wasn't enough room on ubuntu's
[10:21] <ACID|net> mp3 support by default would be nice
[10:21] <dsoft> it says not packet available
[10:22] <j3di`> crappp
[10:22] <farruinn> ACID|net: it has to do with freeness
[10:22] <ACID|net> u need to use universal
[10:22] <N00B> can i private message anyone to give me a hand on this subject?
[10:22] <j3di`> ok, so everything i want is on the net.. not on the cd?
[10:22] <ACID|net> farruinn: I thought mp3 codec was free tho
[10:22] <dsoft> says same wich kde-base (that is the packet i thought i should to install)
[10:22] <farruinn> ACID|net and N00B see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:22] <dsoft> its   apt-get install kde-core  yeah?
[10:22] <farruinn> dsoft, you have to enable universe
[10:22] <mitochondyu> hi all
[10:23] <N00B> i'm on that page
[10:23] <ACID|net> "MP3, and WMA are patent-encumbered, for both encoding and decoding, these patents are being actively enforced."  AHHH!!!
[10:23] <N00B> streamer0.8-mad (for MP3 decoding)
[10:23] <N00B> gstreamer0.8-lame (for MP3 encoding) (in cerkinfo repositor
[10:23] <Riddell> dsoft: yes (kde-core is an alias for kdebase, kdelibs and the sound server)
[10:23] <dsoft> how i should o that?
[10:23] <mitochondyu> newb question, how to change the GNOME SPLASH SCREEN after typing in name and pass
[10:23] <dsoft> the universe, i mean
[10:23] <farruinn> dsoft: you use synaptic?
[10:23] <dsoft> im nooby :(
[10:23] <dsoft> whats synaptic?
[10:23] <oh8gdv> some gui for apt-get
[10:23] <N00B> but i thought gnomp3 would be better
[10:23] <oh8gdv> I prefer text-based
[10:24] <dsoft> nope, im using console
[10:24] <N00B> ermmm
[10:24] <farruinn> dsoft hehe =), Computer>System COnfiguration>Synaptic
[10:24] <dsoft> ohh
[10:24] <dsoft> :P
[10:24] <dsoft> nice
[10:25] <farruinn> dsoft: go to "repositories" under the settings menu
[10:25] <farruinn> there will be two options greyed out, go ahead and check them
[10:25] <dsoft> oki
[10:25] <dsoft> mean dev and dev-src?
[10:26] <dsoft> er, wich b
[10:26] <dsoft> deb and deb-src?
[10:26] <farruinn> yeah
[10:26] <farruinn> it will ask if you're sure you want to enable universe
[10:26] <dsoft> oki, checked
[10:26] <dsoft> yeah :)
[10:26] <farruinn> then hit the reload button
[10:26] <j3di`> does ubuntu have an ssh server built in after install?
[10:27] <farruinn> j3di`: no, but you can apt-get install openssh-server
[10:27] <j3di`> will that install its dependicies?
[10:27] <ACID|net> why would a desktop need ssh-server??
[10:27] <j3di`> or can i just use synaptic?
[10:27] <dsoft> done
[10:27] <j3di`> its not a desktop mister assumption
[10:27] <farruinn> j3di`: synaptic is a graphical frontend to apt
[10:27] <farruinn> synaptic runs an apt command
[10:27] <dsoft> hehe, now its a kde tree
[10:28] <oh8gdv> j3di`: ubuntu for non-desktop?
[10:28] <j3di`> i know what it is.. can i use it to install openssh-server?
[10:28] <ACID|net> yes
[10:28] <j3di`> i just want a good installer for debian
[10:28] <j3di`> ubuntu seems to be pretty solid
[10:28] <oh8gdv> j3di`: I might not put it to a server, though
[10:29] <j3di`> i was using morphix but its kinda out dated
[10:29] <oh8gdv> j3di`: debian is outdated, though security-patched. perfect for server
[10:29] <oh8gdv> j3di`: depending on the kind of the server, of course
[10:29] <j3di`> ok, would everybody stop telling what NOT to do, and give me a few options
[10:29] <oh8gdv> j3di`: apt-get install openssh-server installs the server and all its dependencies.
[10:29] <oh8gdv> j3di`: I thought you were answered already
[10:30] <j3di`> thanx
[10:30] <j3di`> i'm a linux newbie
[10:30] <N00B> when i go to download gstremer it has loads of different type of files such as : alpha,arm,hppa,i386,ia64,m68k,mips,mipsel,powerpc,s390,sparc....and i'm running Ubuntu Linux 4.10 Warty on a p4 system, which version do i want to downloadd?
[10:30] <j3di`> i want something simple, easy and gui. i want a little multimedia, and an ssh and ftp server.. figured debian would be a good choice.
[10:31] <ACID|net> i386
[10:31] <Rocha> N00B, i386
[10:31] <N00B> cheers
[10:31] <j3di`> i dont wanna have to go back to school just to get a ftp server running
[10:31] <farruinn> N00B: are you installing via apt?
[10:31] <farruinn> or are you downloading?
[10:31] <N00B> well i'm on their website
[10:32] <oh8gdv> j3di`: and command-line is too difficult?
[10:32] <N00B> which is the option that i would learn better how to install application?
[10:32] <farruinn> synaptic
[10:32] <dsoft> haha, only 275MB for kde xDDD
[10:32] <dsoft> wow
[10:32] <j3di`> no its not.. its just confusing
[10:32] <oh8gdv> dsoft: it's not much :)
[10:32] <dsoft> :)
[10:32] <oh8gdv> j3di`: it takes some time to get used to, yes. but it's worth it
[10:32] <j3di`> i like synaptic, shows what you have, what you dont, whats available
[10:32] <dsoft> thanks for help guys :)
[10:33] <N00B> humm
[10:33] <farruinn> dsoft: no problem =)
[10:33] <dsoft> and sorry for my worst english (not my native languaje)
[10:33] <dsoft> :)
[10:33] <N00B> still on the website after i choose the i386 it gives me 4 packages...
[10:34] <farruinn> N00B: go to Computer>System Configuration>Synaptic
[10:34] <farruinn> there is no reason to mess around with tarballs etc when you're running an apt system
[10:34] <j3di`> i just dont wanna have to study my ass off just to do something
[10:34] <N00B> done
[10:34] <j3di`> like install a prog
[10:35] <farruinn> j3di`: I think ubuntu will be a good choice then
[10:35] <j3di`> ok kool
[10:35] <j3di`> mainly this is a desktop system, i just want ftp and ssh as well
[10:35] <j3di`> nothing to hard
[10:35] <j3di`> proftpd
[10:35] <j3di`> netatalk
[10:35] <j3di`> xmms
[10:35] <oh8gdv> is there a reason why mplayer isn't in the tree?
[10:35] <j3di`> mpg321
[10:35] <oh8gdv> same reasons as with debian?
[10:36] <ACID|net> oh8gdv: whats the reason with debian?
[10:36] <j3di`> so is there anything on the cd that doesnt get installed during the install?
[10:36] <Rocha> One think that is really anoying is that i can't change a folder's permissions recursively
[10:36] <farruinn> j3di`: not that i know of
[10:36] <ACID|net> j3di`: dont think os
[10:36] <oh8gdv> ACID|net: I don't remember the official version and my description would be politically incorrect
[10:36] <Rocha> Does someone know how to do this graphically?
[10:36] <j3di`> ok. so if i want anything i cant find then i need to get it on an online repository
[10:36] <farruinn> yeah, through synaptic/apt
[10:36] <ACID|net> oh8gdv: Basicly i think its to do with legal stuff
[10:37] <ACID|net> i think and u need to get it from somewhere else
[10:37] <oh8gdv> ACID|net: how come xine is included?
[10:37] <ACID|net> hmm
[10:37] <N00B> farruinn, is it ok if i private message you
[10:37] <zerokarmaleft> are the stock ubuntu kernels built with kernel .config support?
[10:37] <j3di`> where can i find a list of all the included progs?
[10:37] <N00B> i need a guru
[10:37] <ACID|net> now i dont kow
[10:37] <farruinn> N00B: sure
[10:37] <ACID|net> j3di`: www.distrowatch.com
[10:37] <ACID|net> will have all the main ones and the version numbers
[10:38] <oh8gdv> hmh. can I use debian/rules script and dpkg-buildpackage or something to build mplayer?
[10:38] <oh8gdv> (how compatible are debian and ubuntu)
[10:39] <ACID|net> oh8gdv: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats <--- how to install mplayer
[10:39] <ACID|net> and other things
[10:39] <j3di`> wheres the software list?
[10:39] <j3di`> that was a vague link acid
[10:40] <gen> j3di, try click ubuntu on the right and scrolling down
[10:40] <gen> it's a hard technique to master.
[10:40] <ACID|net> j3di`: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[10:41] <ACID|net> gen: isnt it just
[10:41] <j3di`> oops
[10:41] <j3di`> my bad man
[10:41] <j3di`> sorry
[10:41] <karlos> hi.........does anyone know how to play windows media player files from internet pages with ubuntu
[10:41] <j3di`> its all at the bottom
[10:41] <j3di`> :P
[10:41] <ACID|net> :)
[10:42] <j3di`> is that list correct?
[10:42] <j3di`> it shows that xmms is installed
[10:42] <j3di`> ???
[10:43] <farruinn> it's in main, but it's not installed by default
[10:43] <j3di`> what?
[10:44] <j3di`> i dont understand
[10:44] <Rocha> xmms sucks
[10:44] <gen> xmms doesnt suck
[10:44] <j3di`> thanx. thats great.
[10:44] <Rocha> Use Rhythmbox
[10:44] <j3di`> rocha, shut it
[10:44] <gsuveg> re
[10:44] <j3di`> :D
[10:44] <gen> muine is better then rhythmbox
[10:44] <j3di`> anyway. so what does it mean? "its in main, but not installed?"
[10:44] <Rocha> gen: i know, but it uses mono an mono is not installed by default
[10:45] <j3di`> look children i wanna use mpg321
[10:45] <j3di`> for the radio station i run
[10:45] <farruinn> packages in main are supported and maintained by ubuntu
[10:45] <j3di`> but xmms is kool, its tiny.
[10:45] <j3di`> soo.. what are we saying?
[10:45] <gsuveg> hoary is the devel right ?
[10:45] <j3di`> they arent installed but the people at ubuntu liek them?
[10:46] <ACID|net> not like
[10:46] <j3di`> they "approve" of those apps?
[10:46] <ACID|net> but support
[10:46] <farruinn> gsuveg: yes
[10:46] <j3di`> what the F*CK??
[10:46] <crimsun> j3di`: then run mpg321
[10:46] <ACID|net> j3di`: i dont see why u are finding this concept so hard to understand
[10:46] <gsuveg> farruinn: im get that iso :)
[10:47] <j3di`> ok so these apps are not installed..
[10:47] <j3di`> but its "ok" by the people of ubuntu if you install them?
[10:47] <j3di`> tell them "thank you" for me, for letting me use xmms
[10:47] <gsuveg> how can i get real root ?
[10:48] <gsuveg> su -  and passwd ?
[10:48] <farruinn> ubhuti: root
[10:48] <ubhuti> If you really must have a root user, run `sudo passwd root'. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documenation/faq/root
[10:48] <Granted> no use
[10:48] <Rocha> Applications->System Tools->Root terminal
[10:48] <gsuveg> farruinn: thanks
[10:48] <farruinn> that will enable the root account
[10:48] <farruinn> if you just want a temporary shell use sudo -s -H
[10:48] <gsuveg> farruinn: thats clean
[10:49] <oh8gdv> It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available.
[10:49] <oh8gdv> what the..?
[10:50] <gsuveg> farruinn: you think to not bad use hoary ?
[10:50] <gsuveg> farruinn: im not newbie user
[10:50] <farruinn> I don't personally use hoary
[10:50] <farruinn> but that's because I like having a stable system that doesn't need to be updated constantly
[10:51] <farruinn> but, if I had another machine I would probably run hoary on it
[10:52] <PotajiTo> wenas
[10:54] <oh8gdv> what did I forget to lose xv support? ;/
[10:54] <oh8gdv> and what should I do with XF config
[10:55] <IRCMonkey> what is the minimum requirements to install ubuntu?
[10:55] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: imho it depend on gnome
[10:56] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: what like box have you?
[10:57] <IRCMonkey> i want to give some lessons to people who know a little about pc and sotfware and i need the minimum requirements to purpose them to install ubuntu
[10:57] <sivang> IRCMonkey : are you interested in writing a backgorund guide?
[10:57] <IRCMonkey> it can be every kind of box gsuveg
[10:58] <IRCMonkey> sivang i don't have the required level in english to do it in french perhaps
[10:58] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: clear. the satisfaction depend on proc/ram
[10:58] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: x86 ? right ?
[10:59] <IRCMonkey> yes gsuveg
[10:59] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: 700Mhz/256MB i think ok
[10:59] <N00B> which java version do i need to install azeurus?
[10:59] <IRCMonkey> ok thanks :)
[10:59] <sivang> IRCMonkey : well, I am working on one such similar thing - when I finish it would be nice if you could translate/add/suggest about it :)
[10:59] <ACID|net> ok this is intersting
[11:00] <ACID|net> trying to install mplayer like it says on the guide, but it says it depends on things which cant be installed - whY??
[11:00] <gsuveg> N00B: 1.4?
[11:00] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: yw
[11:01] <N00B> gsuveg, have you got a name please?
[11:01] <N00B> :S
[11:01] <gsuveg> N00B: pardon?
[11:01] <gsuveg> IRCMonkey: but this is the _minimum_ and gnome not very fast on that
[11:01] <N00B> the version you said ...has it got a proper name?
[11:02] <gsuveg> N00B: im dont ubuntu user ;)
[11:02] <N00B> ohh
[11:02] <N00B> ok
[11:02] <gsuveg> N00B: apt-cache search jre ?
[11:02] <gsuveg> if i good remember
[11:02] <N00B> i haven't got that one on synaptic manager
[11:02] <N00B> hummm
[11:03] <gsuveg> jre or jdk
[11:08] <N00B> i have installed gstreamer0.8-mad, silly question ...how do i use it?
[11:08] <crimsun> N00B: through rhythmbox or totem
[11:08] <ACID|net> N00B: its a codec - u need another app to use it
[11:08] <N00B> ahh
[11:08] <N00B> so codecs work in share with all appz?
[11:08] <ACID|net> hmmm, mplayer wont install cause it says i dont have the correct copy of libpng and libggi2
[11:08] <ACID|net> yep
[11:09] <N00B> k!
[11:09] <crimsun> they work w/ apps configured (e.g., written) to use them
[11:09] <ACID|net> well yeah.....
[11:11] <N00B> i have synaptic package manager open, and i searched for java as i want to install azerus the bit torrent client , 1 do i need java to install it? or not really
[11:11] <N00B> and which version shall i install as it has listed me loads
[11:11] <ACID|net> u need to install java before installing azerus
[11:11] <N00B> hummm
[11:12] <N00B> any ideas which one?
[11:12] <N00B> java-common
[11:13] <gen> n00b, read the wiki on java, it's on the official site..
[11:14] <N00B> will do
[11:14] <N00B> thx
[11:14] <gen> np
[11:14] <punkrockguy318> how can I install nvidia-glx with the 686 kernel?
[11:14] <gen> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx..
[11:16] <gsuveg> how many app now in official repo ?
[11:16] <gen> 3 trillion
[11:16] <ACID|net> libggi2 required for mplayer is newer than what is on the universe list - how do i get it?
[11:17] <gsuveg> gen: rotfl
[11:19] <punkrockguy318> the nvidia-glx doesn't work with the latest kernel
[11:19] <punkrockguy318> how can I get it to work
[11:19] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:20] <jcole> hey ubuntu developers
[11:20] <jcole> question
[11:20] <jcole> where can i get the latest gst-editor?
[11:21] <gen> yeah cause only the developers will know that
[11:21] <jcole> i tried this with no success - http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi?package=gst-editor&details=details
[11:21] <ACID|net> thoreauputic: I have
[11:22] <jcole> latest .debs are 0.5
[11:22] <jcole> but the latest source is 0.8 - http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-editor/
[11:22] <zerokarmaleft> jcole, so build it from source
[11:23] <jcole> is there a strange reason for this? my gstreamer libs are all 0.8
[11:23] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: possibly you need the "unstable" Marillat repo to get the latest libs - not sure: if you are on Hoary you definitely do
[11:23] <jcole> zerokarmaleft: i would like to know why this one and only gstreamer package is versioned back
[11:24] <zerokarmaleft> jcole, i don't think gstreamer's and gst-editor's version numbers go up at the same time
[11:24] <abrotman> when using the warty liveCD . it drops me right to grub .. am i missing something?
[11:24] <zerokarmaleft> jcole, it's not really part of the core group of gstreamer packages, afaik
[11:24] <abrotman> are there docs somewhere for the liveCD?
[11:25] <zerokarmaleft> jcole, hmm nevermind, i'm looking at the other source directories
[11:25] <jcole> zerokarmaleft: ok, i was gonna say to look at this - http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/
[11:26] <zerokarmaleft> jcole, which repositories do you have in sources.list?
[11:26] <jcole> zerokarmaleft: i'm s/warty/hoary
[11:26] <jcole> zerokarmaleft: i'm the latest
[11:26] <N00B> which aplication do i need to install to be able to mount a ntfs partition and to access it
[11:27] <jcole> zerokarmaleft: it's just that debian/ubuntu is severely behind in sid/experimental
[11:27] <N00B> and how do i know which /dev is when linux in on /dev2
[11:27] <N00B> ?
[11:29] <thoreauputic> N00B: type  sudo fdisk -l  in a terminal to see your partitions
[11:29] <jcole> it doesn't make sense why it's versioned back so far... i don't see any bug reports or any information of why it's this way
[11:29] <siretart> N00B: did you read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=ntfs ?
[11:29] <N00B> no , but i will now...
[11:30] <N00B> ok
[11:31] <N00B> now i know that ntfs is on dev/1
[11:31] <N00B> how can i use the mount command?
[11:31] <N00B> do make work?
[11:31] <siretart> mount <device> <mountpoint> (replace with correct values)
[11:31] <thoreauputic> N00B: read the wiki link - it tells you what to do and which files to edit
[11:32] <N00B> ok
[11:32] <thoreauputic> N00B: you need to edit your /etc/fstab - it's all on the wiki howto
[11:39] <ACID|net> hmmm,  does making mplayer take a long time
[11:43] <ACID|net> as
[11:43] <ACID|net> as
[11:43] <ACID|net> i just extracted mplayer, did ./configure, then make, then make install but i dont appear to have a GUI - what did i do wrong??
[11:44] <siretart> try gmplayer
[11:44] <gsuveg> mplayer install with intaller ?
[11:45] <ACID|net> gmplayer doesnt work
[11:45] <ACID|net> gsuveg:  I downloaded the .bz2 from the site
[11:45] <siretart> ACID|net: why dont you take a precompiled deb file?
[11:45] <ACID|net> it didnt work
[11:47] <siretart> sorry to hear that. for me the debs from christian marillat worked very well
[11:47] <ACID|net> hmmm
[11:47] <nykto> so this list of apps on distrowatch is actually just a list of supported apps .. right?
[11:47] <stan> is the precompiled mplayer deb working for anyone not using a p4? i think it was optimized for p4 and fails on athlons
[11:48] <keknehv> How do you install a *.deb package that you have downloaded?
[11:48] <nykto> so where can i get a list of what actually comes preinstalled?
[11:48] <ACID|net> it keeps giving errors about libpng and libggi2
[11:48] <housetier> keknehv dpkg -i file.deb
[11:48] <keknehv> thanks housetier
[11:48] <housetier> keknehv you should add a sudo in front though :)
[11:49] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: you probably need the -dev libraries, not the standard ones - but you are doing this the hard way
[11:49] <ACID|net> i tried to easy way and it didnt work
[11:50] <ACID|net> kept saying i had the wrong version installed
[11:50] <ACID|net> but i cant find a later version
[11:50] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: you used aynaptic/apt with the correct repositories?
[11:50] <ACID|net> yep
[11:50] <thoreauputic> *synaptic
[11:51] <ACID|net> xmms installed ifne
[11:51] <siretart> ACID|net: what do you get if you do a "debuild -uc -us" in the mplayer source tree?
[11:52] <ACID|net> siretart: when i configured mplayer i didnt include --enable-gui
[11:52] <ACID|net> but when i do it gives same error as with synaptic
[11:52] <oh8gdv> hmh. mplayer eats 30% CPU with fglrx, uh.
[11:52] <oh8gdv> I think that's quite a lot
[11:52] <oh8gdv> don't you?
[11:52] <oh8gdv> (2,8GHz p4, radeon mobility 9000)
[11:52] <ACID|net> hmmmm
[11:53] <oh8gdv> I don't think it ate that much with x.org 6.8.1
[11:55] <AndyR> lo ppl
[11:55] <gen> lo
[11:55] <gen> ..
[11:55] <ACID|net> hmmm food dude
[11:55] <AndyR> anyone able to help with lame?
[11:55] <gen> you're lame enough
[11:55] <AndyR> lol yeah
[11:56] <ibs> Does anybody use captive ntfs with ubuntu?