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| ironwolf | python2.4-pyorbit is borked is appears. | 06:59 |
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| Mithrandir | Treenaks: you forgot to actually attach my signed key. :P | 07:25 |
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| Treenaks | Mithrandir: hm.. | 08:30 |
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| thom | Mithrandir: I blame intelligent design, personally | 08:45 |
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| sid77 | hi | 09:09 |
| Treenaks | hi | 09:10 |
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| bob2 | mjg59: X seems to be very unhappy waking up on my laptop | 09:51 |
| Treenaks | bob2: it's an X40 right? | 09:52 |
| bob2 | yup | 09:52 |
| daniels | worksforme | 09:53 |
| Treenaks | bob2: poke daniels ;) | 09:53 |
| bob2 | hah, his works fine | 09:53 |
| Treenaks | bob2: he might be able to tell you how :0 | 09:54 |
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| Treenaks | hey John Smith :) | 09:56 |
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| robtaylor | hey all. so, if i want to package something up for ubuntu (gaim-vv) should i just package it in debian unstable 1st? | 01:24 |
| sivang | robtaylor : why not packaging it in hoary? | 01:25 |
| carlos | robtaylor: yeah, if you can, please package it for Debian first | 01:26 |
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| robtaylor | meh. someone give me more input | 01:27 |
| Treenaks | robtaylor: well, get debian, build package :) | 01:28 |
| robtaylor | carlos: on another matter, had chance to play with accessd yet? | 01:28 |
| carlos | robtaylor: not yet, sorry | 01:28 |
| carlos | I'm really busy with Rosetta atm | 01:29 |
| robtaylor | ok i'm happy with the package for debian route.. (apart from the the month-long-new-package-must-be-evil wait) | 01:29 |
| robtaylor | carlos: np :_ | 01:29 |
| Treenaks | robtaylor: just poke elmo :) | 01:30 |
| robtaylor | Treenaks: that genereally doesnt seem to help much... | 01:31 |
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| Treenaks | robtaylor: poke him harder | 01:31 |
| robtaylor | heh | 01:31 |
| robtaylor | ok/// | 01:31 |
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| robtaylor | heh. if hoary has gaim-vv in core (and i can stabilise it) it will be posed to take over ervy cibercafe in the WORLD! | 01:32 |
| Treenaks | robtaylor: wouldn't it be better to fold the changes back into gaim mainline? | 01:33 |
| robtaylor | Treenaks: i think thats the long term plan.. though upstream seem a little, well, odd | 01:34 |
| sivang | Does anybody know what was the big show yesterday? :) | 01:35 |
| === sivang heared all the mataro people talking about that.. | ||
| Treenaks | uh isn't the Big Show today? | 01:35 |
| sivang | Treenaks, I'm sure not, lulu said she had to go to it last night :) | 01:36 |
| Treenaks | sivang: hm | 01:36 |
| sivang | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConfAgenda | 01:37 |
| sivang | read the "SHow" about line, for "Thursday night 16th December" | 01:37 |
| Treenaks | "LinuxSpectacular" on the schedule | 01:38 |
| Treenaks | www.xdeblas.com/linuxshow | 01:38 |
| lifeless | that was last night | 01:38 |
| lifeless | 7:30 in the ballroom | 01:38 |
| Treenaks | lifeless: yes, that's what he said | 01:38 |
| carlos | sivang: http://www.xdeblas.com/linuxshow/ | 01:39 |
| sivang | carlos : tnx, on to it now, tnx Treenaks :) | 01:39 |
| sivang | boy it's slow to download the MPG... | 01:40 |
| Treenaks | sivang: set up a torrent mirror :) | 01:40 |
| carlos | sivang: it's hosted in a 128Kbps ADSL line | 01:41 |
| carlos | so it's normal | 01:41 |
| carlos | I have a bigger version here | 01:41 |
| carlos | but don't think I could send you it | 01:41 |
| sivang | carlos, no thanks alot anyways :) I would wait for it to download.. | 01:41 |
| sivang | carlos, hmm it won't download..Hmm I'll just wait for Xavier to have a mirror for it :) | 01:42 |
| carlos | it does not work? | 01:43 |
| sivang | does anyone know kiko's irc nick? :) | 01:43 |
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| carlos | sivang: kiko :-) | 02:05 |
| sivang | carlos, :) | 02:06 |
| cenerentola | kiko, :) | 02:08 |
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| elmo | _* Opt python python-fixed A fixed point math object for python [dummy package] | 02:09 |
| elmo | _* Opt python python-id3li id3lib wrapper for Python - dummy package | 02:09 |
| elmo | _* Opt python python-mpz Multiple-precision arithmetic support for Python (default version) | 02:09 |
| elmo | _* Opt python python-pyxat module for manipulating filesystem extended attributes | 02:09 |
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| elmo | doko: ubuntu-desktop depends on those and they appear to be br0k3n | 02:10 |
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| doko | python-fixed isn't built anymore, use the decimal type in 2.4. no packages depend on python-fixedpoint | 02:10 |
| doko | python-mpz is removed. | 02:11 |
| Kamion | if somebody updates the seeds, I can probably figure out how to change ubuntu-desktop | 02:11 |
| doko | I'll look at the other two. | 02:11 |
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| sivang | anybody know if smurfix has changed his nick? | 02:12 |
| Kamion | sivang: try /names | 02:13 |
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| Keybuk | thom: WIKI! :p | 02:17 |
| Keybuk | please <g> | 02:17 |
| cenerentola | sorry ppl but why isnt dsl connection included in network-admin? | 02:18 |
| Treenaks | cenerentola: "DSL connection" is usually a network connection | 02:19 |
| Treenaks | cenerentola: or you mean as an alias or with PPPoE or something? | 02:19 |
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| cenerentola | treenaks: yep sorry.. a FoM has an ethernet dsl modem with a dial up connection | 02:20 |
| cenerentola | and i dont know how to help him | 02:20 |
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| Treenaks | cenerentola: make him run 'pppoeconfig' on the command line | 02:20 |
| cenerentola | is it in the base installation or needs to be installed? | 02:21 |
| Treenaks | I think it's in the base.. but I could be wrong | 02:21 |
| cenerentola | treenaks: any gui in the future? | 02:22 |
| Treenaks | cenerentola: it's a CLUI :) | 02:22 |
| trulux | i'm back | 02:22 |
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| Treenaks | cenerentola: but I think it was discussed in a BOF that the PPPoE/PPPoA stuff would be in the network config thing | 02:22 |
| cenerentola | it's true right.. | 02:23 |
| cenerentola | ok thank you | 02:23 |
| trulux | lamont, ping | 02:24 |
| trulux | doko, ping | 02:25 |
| trulux | pitti, how's going the gcc stuff? | 02:25 |
| trulux | i'm going to check out the sources right now | 02:25 |
| trulux | and apply some patches | 02:25 |
| lamont_r | trulux: it was decided at the security bof that SSP type stuff would best be done in a derrivative distribution | 02:27 |
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| lamont_r | which means that the main ubuntu-sources won't get the patch. | 02:27 |
| trulux | lamont_r, so, tell me, i'm open for any thing in such terms | 02:27 |
| lamont_r | the good news is that it was also announced at the conf (last saturday) that canonical is putting together tools to allow derrivitives to be easily managed, including merges, etc. | 02:28 |
| trulux | lamont_r, i see, so, when do you think this could be started? | 02:28 |
| trulux | i'm going to get a new server from a new sponsor and start re-organizing the project | 02:29 |
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| AndyFitz | could it be the upgrade to gtk2-2.6? | 02:29 |
| AndyFitz | after logging in the desktop is frozen. the panels position is loaded but no widgets displayed nautilus doesnt draw icons or the desktop either | 02:30 |
| AndyFitz | but the mouse works fine it just cant do anything | 02:30 |
| AndyFitz | I mean interact with anything because all else failed to load | 02:31 |
| Treenaks | could it be something sound-related? | 02:31 |
| bob2 | AndyFitz: dows killing X and logging in again fix it? | 02:32 |
| AndyFitz | negatory | 02:32 |
| AndyFitz | I'm using hoary and believe it was caused by updating within the last 20 mins | 02:33 |
| AndyFitz | anyone else experiencing this ? | 02:33 |
| === Treenaks didn't update in the last 20 minutes, and is now afraid to try | ||
| AndyFitz | I'm updating this machine and seeing if the same error occurs | 02:34 |
| AndyFitz | although if it is gtk2-2.6.0 then I'm really stuffed because xfce4 wont work and not just gnome | 02:35 |
| trulux | lamont, ? | 02:35 |
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| AndyFitz | o wait xfce ads fine on the affected machine | 02:36 |
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| AndyFitz | ads = loads when keyboard is taken out of range | 02:36 |
| daniels | elmo: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=fooishbar.15391134 | 02:36 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: ping | 02:38 |
| Mithrandir | pong | 02:38 |
| AndyFitz | nautilus seems to work fine under xfce also.. its a gnome issue but not a config one ( other accounts log in with the same issue ) | 02:38 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: ooo fails on sparc64 due to the MANIFEST | 02:38 |
| Mithrandir | hm, weird. | 02:39 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: mind to fix it please? | 02:39 |
| Mithrandir | prod haggai about it? | 02:39 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: i am not sure if it is related to ubuntu changes... | 02:39 |
| Mithrandir | it is, I can take a look, sure. | 02:39 |
| Mithrandir | I'm sure people will _love_ me for uploading ooo once a week | 02:40 |
| fabbione | it would take me another 18 hours to do a test build | 02:40 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: nahh it can wait | 02:40 |
| fabbione | i don't need it right away | 02:40 |
| fabbione | we know that it can build.. that's the important part | 02:40 |
| Mithrandir | I'm travelling to Oslo tomorrow, but possibly on sunday. | 02:40 |
| Mithrandir | though, in Oslo, my bandwidth is _sucky_. | 02:40 |
| fabbione | even in 2 weeks from now | 02:40 |
| fabbione | don't get crazy | 02:41 |
| fabbione | it's the only package missing together with strace | 02:41 |
| AndyFitz | okay going to logout / in with this now that changes have been made . if something mucks up ill be able to identify the trouble package | 02:43 |
| daniels | Keybuk: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=fooishbar.15425417 | 02:44 |
| Treenaks | what's up with the cafepress-meme? | 02:45 |
| Treenaks | daniels: don't forget the ever-popular "CRACK!!!" | 02:46 |
| Kamion | well, I just bought mjg59's "debian-legal stole my DFSG" baseball jersey, so ... | 02:47 |
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| AndyFitz | cant be a package problem | 02:47 |
| Treenaks | why? | 02:48 |
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| AndyFitz | because this computer loaded gnome fine | 02:49 |
| AndyFitz | after updating | 02:49 |
| fabbione | -> #ubuntu | 02:49 |
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| AndyFitz | but I have no idea what else I did to affect the system | 02:50 |
| Treenaks | some python2.4 cruft maybe? | 02:50 |
| Keybuk | http://www.cafepress.com/keybuk.15425670 | 02:51 |
| Keybuk | ^ completed T-Shirt :p | 02:51 |
| fabbione | guys please move problem solving to #ubuntu | 02:51 |
| lamont_r | trulux: I'm not on that team, but I expect it's not too far away | 02:51 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: I'm sure thom appreciates that | 02:51 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: he hasn't thrown anything particularly heavy at me yet | 02:52 |
| Keybuk | he is bright red however | 02:52 |
| mjg59 | You're all just ripping off my designs | 02:52 |
| Burgundavia_ | I might have to go buy that | 02:52 |
| mjg59 | You bastards | 02:52 |
| Mithrandir | perhaps he doesn't have anything handy? | 02:52 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: your designs? link! | 02:52 |
| fabbione | mjg59: how safe is the patch to put ppc to sleep? | 02:52 |
| daniels | elmo: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=fooishbar.15425905 | 02:53 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: http://www.cafepress.com/mjg59 | 02:53 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: No idea | 02:53 |
| fabbione | mjg59: someone was asking for inclusion | 02:53 |
| fabbione | afaik the patch is from benh | 02:53 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: It's probably worth it | 02:53 |
| mjg59 | Check with benh, though, if you can | 02:53 |
| fabbione | yaeh that's an option | 02:54 |
| bob2 | it was me asking for it | 02:54 |
| Kamion | benh is capable of submitting it upstream, so I wouldn't include it until he's got it upstream | 02:54 |
| bob2 | benh seems pretty happy with it atm | 02:54 |
| Kamion | personally | 02:54 |
| AndyFitz | hopefully later tonight ill put the icon set shown here http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/icons.png | 02:54 |
| AndyFitz | on this site for download http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette/ :) | 02:54 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: slick! | 02:54 |
| Treenaks | uh | 02:54 |
| Treenaks | AndyFitz: slick! | 02:54 |
| AndyFitz | cheers | 02:55 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i tend to agree, but sometims upstream can be slow | 02:55 |
| Kamion | doesn't have to be released ... just in bitkeeper IMHO | 02:56 |
| Kamion | *shrug* dunno | 02:57 |
| fabbione | eheh | 02:57 |
| fabbione | i will give it a spin | 02:57 |
| fabbione | at the end 2.6.10 won't be default at the first shot | 02:57 |
| fabbione | we can back it out | 02:57 |
| fabbione | bob2: mind to either open a bug or send me the patch? | 02:58 |
| Kamion | oh, that's true, if it's just in the crack-of-the-day build ... | 02:58 |
| fabbione | bob2: just be sure the bug is assigned to me | 02:58 |
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| bob2 | fabbione: will do | 02:58 |
| fabbione | bob2: danke | 02:58 |
| Keybuk | heh, let me guess danw | 02:58 |
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| Treenaks | Keybuk: where's your < Keybuk> # .la, a note to follow .so | 02:59 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: shirt | 02:59 |
| Keybuk | Treenaks: that's not especially amusing, given it *is* the reason they're called that | 02:59 |
| thom | Keybuk: i'm thinking about it :-) | 02:59 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: it is? it's not accidental? | 02:59 |
| Keybuk | I'd buy it :p | 02:59 |
| Keybuk | Treenaks: not that I'm aware | 02:59 |
| Keybuk | entirely deliberate | 02:59 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: scary | 02:59 |
| bob2 | fabbione: on which package? | 03:00 |
| fabbione | linux | 03:01 |
| azeem | whoa, the LWN article on Launchpad makes you think Soyuz is a new, non-free, package manager like e.g. dpkg | 03:01 |
| trulux | lamont_r, great | 03:02 |
| trulux | pitti, hi? | 03:02 |
| pitti | trulux: hi | 03:02 |
| Keybuk | it's more like a google for distrbution data | 03:02 |
| jdub | azeem: yeah, that was kinda bong | 03:03 |
| daniels | Dec 17 15:03:14 catsby kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 27723 (gimp). | 03:03 |
| fabbione | nice | 03:03 |
| trulux | pitti, i'm talking to lamount about hardened debian, what opinion do you have by now? | 03:03 |
| daniels | d'oh | 03:03 |
| pitti | trulux: moment, pleaswe | 03:04 |
| fabbione | daniels: you need to stop watching pr0n on all your 40 virtual desktop when using gimp | 03:04 |
| trulux | pitti, ok | 03:04 |
| Keybuk | thom: http://www.cafepress.com/assbarn.1858121 | 03:04 |
| pitti | trulux: we now have kernel support for SELinux, might bring SSP gcc packages into universe and I will provide a PaX kernel soon | 03:05 |
| pitti | trulux: ping me back in 15 minutes, I have to disconnect | 03:05 |
| trulux | pitti, sure | 03:05 |
| trulux | pitti, i'm doing a selinux backport for 2.4 | 03:05 |
| trulux | latest stuff | 03:06 |
| fabbione | i doubt we will ever support 2.4 | 03:07 |
| bob2 | fabbione: #4759 | 03:08 |
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| azeem | so is there a reason why LaunchPad will not be open source (initially), or is the LWN story inaccurate in this regard? | 03:09 |
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| Kamion | trulux: we recently *dropped* support for 2.4 | 03:16 |
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| trulux | Kamion, i see, yeah | 03:17 |
| thom | did i mention i hate you all? | 03:19 |
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| Treenaks | thom: ALL? | 03:19 |
| thom | every single one of you | 03:19 |
| Treenaks | thom: any particular reason? | 03:20 |
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| jamesh | Treenaks: http://www.cafepress.com/keybuk.15425670 | 03:24 |
| Treenaks | jamesh: that's not a reason to hate :) | 03:24 |
| trulux | pitti, long 15 minutes past | 03:29 |
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| pitti | lifeless: pmount 0.4.4 (umask 077) is in Ubuntu. Please cry out loud if your ssh stuff still does not work | 03:35 |
| pitti | trulux: hi | 03:35 |
| pitti | trulux: btw, do you know how one can detect whether a given binary was built using SSP? | 03:36 |
| lifeless | pitti: thanks! | 03:36 |
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| Treenaks | hm.. python-serial needs a recompile I think | 03:36 |
| thom | amu: disk copy is done | 03:37 |
| daniels | thom: are you smouldering with generic rage? | 03:37 |
| thom | amu: and unmounted | 03:38 |
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| thom | daniels: careful | 03:40 |
| Mithrandir | thom: bite! bite! | 03:42 |
| Treenaks | Canonical Deathmatch? | 03:43 |
| amu | thom: thx | 03:44 |
| trulux | pitti, sure | 03:46 |
| trulux | pitti, strings binary | grep guard or libssp or stack_smash_handler | 03:46 |
| pitti | trulux: cool; thanks | 03:47 |
| trulux | now i must go for lunch, no food since 8am | 03:50 |
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| === trulux said this on another channel so, it's really a problem | ||
| trulux | ;P | 03:51 |
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| robtaylor | Kinnison: any idea how many of you lot over there will be coming on monday? | 03:52 |
| pitti | mako: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpack/ | 03:55 |
| Treenaks | pitti: Binary: language-support-ca, language-support-de | 03:55 |
| Treenaks | pitti: wheres -nl? :) | 03:56 |
| Treenaks | pitti: what do I have to do to make you add it? | 03:56 |
| pitti | Treenaks: it's a _demo_ package | 03:56 |
| pitti | Treenaks: nothing, I will add each and every language once the support is there | 03:56 |
| Treenaks | pitti: oh cool | 03:56 |
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| jdub | doko: ping? | 04:02 |
| daniels | http://www.theage.com.au/news/Film/Iraq--coming-to-a-screen-near-you/2004/12/17/1102787272392.html | 04:03 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: I wonder if they'll have a scene where a marine kills an unarmed and wounded person lying in a mosque. | 04:10 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: that'll be in the Director's Cut | 04:11 |
| trulux | pitti, how long is to being an ubuntu developer? | 04:17 |
| trulux | is it like debian timings? *shrug* | 04:17 |
| pitti | trulux: no, we have a totally different and much quicker approach :-) | 04:18 |
| pitti | trulux: the short-short story is: find an UD to work with, prove that you have the skills and introduce yourselves to the developers and the community | 04:19 |
| pitti | trulux: however, such decisions are taken by the Community Council | 04:19 |
| trulux | pitti, then let me know who wants to handle my admission | 04:22 |
| trulux | ;-) | 04:22 |
| pitti | trulux: just start doing something, make your name recognized on the mailing lists and the IRC channel | 04:23 |
| pitti | trulux: doing an actual upload can be done by an existing UD, and it should be easy to find one | 04:23 |
| pitti | trulux: much like Debian Sponsoring | 04:24 |
| trulux | pitti, kay | 04:24 |
| pitti | trulux: for example, are you interested in preparing gcc SSP packages for Ubuntu universe? | 04:24 |
| trulux | pitti, yes | 04:24 |
| trulux | Warty and hoary | 04:25 |
| trulux | i have both | 04:25 |
| pitti | trulux: this would really rock | 04:25 |
| pitti | trulux: not Warty | 04:25 |
| trulux | Hoary then | 04:25 |
| pitti | trulux: Hoary only, we will not change anything in Warty | 04:25 |
| trulux | ok | 04:25 |
| trulux | let me chroot Hoary | 04:25 |
| trulux | ;-) | 04:25 |
| pitti | trulux: we probably won't use SSP for Hoary, it needs some extensive testing | 04:26 |
| pitti | trulux: but it would be great to play with this and make it easy for other people to try out | 04:26 |
| pitti | trulux: since OpenBSD and gentoo use it as well, it cannot be so broken | 04:26 |
| pitti | trulux: our biggest concern is the supportability | 04:26 |
| trulux | pitti, yeah, listen | 04:26 |
| pitti | trulux: if there is a big chance that this will not be integrated into gcc4, then we lose | 04:27 |
| trulux | SSP overhead is minimal, impact when our libssp is used is also minimal | 04:27 |
| trulux | pitti, it will be, i know it by Etoh | 04:27 |
| pitti | I know, the runtime costs should be negligible | 04:27 |
| pitti | trulux: it will be adopted upstream? eventually? | 04:27 |
| trulux | SSP also does not make conflicts because we can make it only *legitimate* enabled, meaning we would enabled it when we would like to use it | 04:27 |
| trulux | pitti, dunno, but maybe | 04:28 |
| pitti | trulux: cool | 04:28 |
| trulux | i know some people on the FSF , even inside the core devel teams, so, i hope i can try to move things+ | 04:28 |
| pitti | trulux: so if you prepare hoary packages, they should probably be called gcc-ssp or so | 04:28 |
| trulux | but nothing assured | 04:28 |
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| trulux | pitti, umm, i think they would be called .hardened | 04:29 |
| trulux | gcc-version.hardened | 04:29 |
| pitti | hmm | 04:29 |
| pitti | I'd prefer -ssp, though | 04:29 |
| trulux | -hardened because it would have more than just SSP | 04:29 |
| trulux | PIE for example | 04:29 |
| pitti | anyway, the name is not that important for now | 04:29 |
| trulux | yeah | 04:29 |
| pitti | what's PIE? | 04:29 |
| trulux | Position Independent Executables | 04:30 |
| pitti | ah | 04:30 |
| pitti | I thought that was called -fpic? | 04:30 |
| trulux | makes us able to get benefit of memory address space layout randomization | 04:30 |
| pitti | like PaX? | 04:30 |
| trulux | yeah | 04:30 |
| pitti | cool | 04:30 |
| pitti | I proposed to put a PaX kernel into our universe soon | 04:31 |
| trulux | in the time i have worked with it, i have know a config that is not invassive, it's smooth and works fine on debian-based envs | 04:31 |
| trulux | pitti, i would help with that | 04:31 |
| pitti | ssp and PaX together provide a good protection against buffer overflow exploits | 04:31 |
| trulux | not only that, also to many other things | 04:31 |
| pitti | trulux: does X.org still break with PaX? | 04:31 |
| trulux | dunno really, i think that was XFree, XOrg is pax-friendly AFAIK | 04:32 |
| pitti | trulux: I remember that older XFree versions did not play well with pax | 04:32 |
| pitti | well, I'll try that out | 04:32 |
| daniels | you break it, you get to keep both pieces :P | 04:32 |
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| mvo | thanks Keybuk ! | 04:40 |
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| trulux | pitti, can you upload my pkgs after i build them? | 04:51 |
| pitti | trulux: sure | 04:51 |
| trulux | pitti, thanks ;D | 04:52 |
| pitti | trulux: cool, I'm looking forward to playing around with it | 04:53 |
| trulux | pitti, maybe an Ubuntu-Hardened Debian alliance should be created, i was promoting such alliances between hardened gentoo, adamantix and debhard | 04:53 |
| trulux | tseng, right? :) | 04:53 |
| trulux | pitti: | 04:56 |
| trulux | root@estila:/# apt-get install dpkg-dev debnest | 04:56 |
| trulux | Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho | 04:56 |
| trulux | Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho | 04:56 |
| trulux | i'm getting the devel tools | 04:56 |
| trulux | ready | 05:00 |
| trulux | pitti, i hope i will work on the collision rts and let this get the toolchain sources | 05:00 |
| trulux | kay? | 05:00 |
| pitti | sure, thanks | 05:01 |
| trulux | also, we must provide a special binutils package | 05:01 |
| trulux | we need the kernel.org version | 05:01 |
| pitti | trulux: is it specific for SSP, or has it some general modifications which also allow SSP? | 05:01 |
| trulux | the binutils one? is for native PaX marking support | 05:02 |
| trulux | PT_PAX_FLAGS | 05:02 |
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| pitti | ah, that one | 05:02 |
| trulux | i have a work that maybe you can do, as i'm not able to figure how to do it | 05:02 |
| trulux | packaging the libssp as debian pkg | 05:03 |
| trulux | i couldn't do it | 05:03 |
| pitti | trulux: what makes it difficult? | 05:03 |
| trulux | my (un)experience on packaging libraries that need to be installed in some different locations | 05:04 |
| pitti | trulux: hmm, I can do that | 05:05 |
| trulux | ok | 05:07 |
| trulux | pitti, give me an address to send you the tarball | 05:08 |
| trulux | it's light | 05:08 |
| pitti | libssp? | 05:08 |
| pitti | trulux: martin.pitt@canonical.com | 05:08 |
| pitti | trulux: if it is bigger than 100 KB, then please put it onto people.d.o or so | 05:08 |
| pitti | trulux: or, rather | 05:08 |
| pitti | trulux: can you just send me the upstream URL? | 05:09 |
| trulux | i'm the upstream | 05:09 |
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| pitti | oooohkay | 05:09 |
| pitti | trulux: what does this lib do? | 05:09 |
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| trulux | pitti, implements SSP as shared lib | 05:12 |
| trulux | no more crappy behaviors nor strange errors | 05:12 |
| pitti | trulux: you mean the functions that generate and check canaries? | 05:12 |
| trulux | yep | 05:12 |
| trulux | ssp.c | 05:12 |
| pitti | trulux: and previous versions did this with macros? | 05:12 |
| trulux | it provides backward compatibility with Glibc version | 05:12 |
| trulux | just that | 05:13 |
| trulux | it was an original idea of some gentoo devs | 05:13 |
| jamesh | because what the world needs is more shared libraries | 05:13 |
| jamesh | to be more exact, more shared libraries that might end up being linked to every application | 05:14 |
| trulux | pitti, sorry, my evo did something stupid and tarball is not included, resending | 05:14 |
| trulux | pitti, sent | 05:16 |
| pitti | trulux: got it, thanks | 05:18 |
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| trulux | ok | 05:21 |
| trulux | pitti, then i will start playing around gcc | 05:21 |
| trulux | gcc-3.3 or gcc-3.4? | 05:21 |
| trulux | what one do you want with SSP & PIE | 05:21 |
| pitti | I don't really mind | 05:21 |
| pitti | in the end we should be able to provide both | 05:22 |
| pitti | but for playing around either is fine | 05:22 |
| trulux | then 3.4 | 05:24 |
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| mooch | thom may? | 05:34 |
| mooch | anyone knows his nick? | 05:36 |
| pitti | mooch: thom is the correct one | 05:36 |
| mooch | thom: ping | 05:36 |
| daniels | mooch: he's not here at the moment | 05:37 |
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| da_bon_bon | hi all i am having major problem | 05:49 |
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| da_bon_bon | can anyone help me, please? | 05:49 |
| da_bon_bon | i installed ubuntu, and entered username as "rohandhruva" and a password, but whenever i enter it in newly installed sysytem, after entering password, it again asks for username | 05:50 |
| Kinnison | try "rohandhr" as your username | 05:51 |
| Kinnison | It may be truncating to 8 characters | 05:51 |
| trulux | doko, i'm starting a hardened gcc-3.4 packages for hoary | 05:58 |
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| da_bon_bon | hi, i need some help, can anyonr help me? | 05:58 |
| trulux | i will change the pkgs names but i need some help on creating the right configuration for them, i mean, they must not conflict with gcc-3.4 ones | 05:59 |
| trulux | we need a gentoo-alike gcc profile changer | 05:59 |
| trulux | or even different named gcc packages | 05:59 |
| da_bon_bon | i installed ubuntu, chose username "rohandhruva" and a password, but now thats not accpeted, after entering password, i again am returned to username prompt | 06:00 |
| daniels | trulux: er | 06:00 |
| daniels | ii gcc-3.3 3.3.5-4 The GNU C compiler | 06:01 |
| daniels | ii gcc-3.4 3.4.3-2ubuntu1 The GNU C compiler | 06:01 |
| trulux | daniels, i just appended -hardened to version | 06:02 |
| trulux | name is not important by now | 06:03 |
| Kinnison | da_bon_bon: try "rohandhr" as your username | 06:04 |
| daniels | trulux: well, we have differently-named gcc packages | 06:08 |
| trulux | daniels, i'm just following what pitti said, but tell me about them | 06:08 |
| trulux | i'm new in Ubuntu development | 06:09 |
| daniels | trulux: gcc-2.95 ... gcc-3.2 ... gcc-3.3 ... gcc-3.4 ... | 06:09 |
| trulux | yeah | 06:11 |
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| mooch | ping | 06:30 |
| mooch | there is an error in the wiki web page | 06:30 |
| mooch | System Message: ERROR/3 (<string>, line 3) | 06:30 |
| mooch | Document or section may not begin with a transition. | 06:30 |
| mooch | ubuntulinux.com/wiki | 06:30 |
| mooch | at the bottom | 06:30 |
| Kamion | it's a wiki, you can fix it ... :) | 06:30 |
| mooch | Kamion: i believe is more a code problem... | 06:31 |
| mooch | gotta go | 06:32 |
| Kamion | mooch: well, there's junk at the end of the page | 06:33 |
| Kamion | mooch: deleting it solved the problem | 06:33 |
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| douglas | hi ! | 06:34 |
| douglas | where i can report a pygtk error ? | 06:34 |
| douglas | im using ubuntu hoary | 06:34 |
| === HcE reported his first bug _with_ correcting patch today =) | ||
| Kamion | bugzilla; but note that an upload happened just recently to fix a pygtk problem | 06:35 |
| mgedmin | mooch: that's the way docutils tells you about incorrect reStructuredText markup | 06:35 |
| douglas | hey Kamion | 06:37 |
| douglas | you right | 06:37 |
| douglas | i updated ubuntu and it worked | 06:37 |
| douglas | thanks :) | 06:37 |
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| gsuveg | re | 08:06 |
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| Simira | I just *love* the new menus in hoary Gnome! | 09:17 |
| Treenaks | Simira: seb128 isn't here to receive your love :) | 09:18 |
| Simira | oh, shame... well, I'll get him later :) | 09:18 |
| Simira | I didn't like the last one at all... | 09:19 |
| Treenaks | "the last one"? | 09:19 |
| Simira | the messy one :p menu setup, that is | 09:20 |
| Treenaks | ah ok | 09:20 |
| sivang | Simira, new menus? | 09:25 |
| sivang | which ones? | 09:25 |
| Treenaks | Simira: the applications/places/system ones I think | 09:25 |
| Simira | sivang: in hoary, Apps;Places;System | 09:25 |
| sivang | Simira, can't see them.. | 09:26 |
| sivang | strange. | 09:26 |
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| sivang | maybe I have to logout the gnome session :) | 09:26 |
| Simira | sivang: last update, though. Made today. | 09:26 |
| Simira | or someth | 09:26 |
| Treenaks | sivang: update to the latest hoary, and if you're running a stock kernel, reboot | 09:26 |
| Treenaks | sivang: that should take care of it :) | 09:27 |
| sivang | Simira, were there any discussin before the layout change? or is it a debian upstream change? | 09:27 |
| Simira | sivang: quite a lot of discussions, I believe. I really like the result, anyway | 09:27 |
| sivang | Simira, where was it? devel mailing list? | 09:27 |
| Simira | sivang: not sure, I didn't read it ;p | 09:28 |
| Simira | *plays with hoary* | 09:34 |
| Fwiffo_ | sivang: there were some discussion on the devel list | 09:39 |
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| Qerub | Anyone file like uploading a PO template of gnome-panel to Rosetta? | 11:10 |
| Simira | crap! | 11:15 |
| Simira | where can I find a downloadable dicionary for translation? | 11:15 |
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