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[09:52] yup [09:53] worksforme [09:53] bob2: poke daniels ;) [09:53] hah, his works fine [09:54] bob2: he might be able to tell you how :0 === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] hey John Smith :) === sid77 [~sid77@151.11.187.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rs [~remon@210-64-dsl.ipact.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 [~sid77@151.11.187.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [~ogra@pD95F8F29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [~jinty@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [rpGirl@m146i.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bitserf [~ljb@222-152-17-146.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SepheeBear [~SepheeBea@24-193-86-231.nyc.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [~jinty@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] hey all. so, if i want to package something up for ubuntu (gaim-vv) should i just package it in debian unstable 1st? [01:25] robtaylor : why not packaging it in hoary? [01:26] robtaylor: yeah, if you can, please package it for Debian first === robtaylor freezes [01:27] meh. someone give me more input [01:28] robtaylor: well, get debian, build package :) [01:28] carlos: on another matter, had chance to play with accessd yet? [01:28] robtaylor: not yet, sorry [01:29] I'm really busy with Rosetta atm [01:29] ok i'm happy with the package for debian route.. (apart from the the month-long-new-package-must-be-evil wait) [01:29] carlos: np :_ [01:30] robtaylor: just poke elmo :) [01:31] Treenaks: that genereally doesnt seem to help much... === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] robtaylor: poke him harder [01:31] heh [01:31] ok/// === robtaylor goes prepares ITP [01:32] heh. if hoary has gaim-vv in core (and i can stabilise it) it will be posed to take over ervy cibercafe in the WORLD! [01:33] robtaylor: wouldn't it be better to fold the changes back into gaim mainline? [01:34] Treenaks: i think thats the long term plan.. though upstream seem a little, well, odd [01:35] Does anybody know what was the big show yesterday? :) === sivang heared all the mataro people talking about that.. [01:35] uh isn't the Big Show today? [01:36] Treenaks, I'm sure not, lulu said she had to go to it last night :) [01:36] sivang: hm [01:37] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConfAgenda [01:37] read the "SHow" about line, for "Thursday night 16th December" [01:38] "LinuxSpectacular" on the schedule [01:38] www.xdeblas.com/linuxshow [01:38] that was last night [01:38] 7:30 in the ballroom [01:38] lifeless: yes, that's what he said [01:39] sivang: http://www.xdeblas.com/linuxshow/ [01:39] carlos : tnx, on to it now, tnx Treenaks :) [01:40] boy it's slow to download the MPG... [01:40] sivang: set up a torrent mirror :) [01:41] sivang: it's hosted in a 128Kbps ADSL line [01:41] so it's normal [01:41] I have a bigger version here [01:41] but don't think I could send you it [01:41] carlos, no thanks alot anyways :) I would wait for it to download.. [01:42] carlos, hmm it won't download..Hmm I'll just wait for Xavier to have a mirror for it :) [01:43] it does not work? [01:43] does anyone know kiko's irc nick? :) === smurfix_ [~smurf@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Abandonando"] === plovs [~plovs@62.84.21.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] sivang: kiko :-) [02:06] carlos, :) [02:08] kiko, :) === BradB [~bradb@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] _* Opt python python-fixed A fixed point math object for python [dummy package] [02:09] _* Opt python python-id3li id3lib wrapper for Python - dummy package [02:09] _* Opt python python-mpz Multiple-precision arithmetic support for Python (default version) [02:09] _* Opt python python-pyxat module for manipulating filesystem extended attributes === stub [~stub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:10] doko: ubuntu-desktop depends on those and they appear to be br0k3n === lamont_r [~lamont@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:10] python-fixed isn't built anymore, use the decimal type in 2.4. no packages depend on python-fixedpoint [02:11] python-mpz is removed. [02:11] if somebody updates the seeds, I can probably figure out how to change ubuntu-desktop [02:11] I'll look at the other two. === pitti [~pitti@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] anybody know if smurfix has changed his nick? [02:13] sivang: try /names === plovs [~plovs@62.84.21.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] thom: WIKI! :p [02:17] please [02:18] sorry ppl but why isnt dsl connection included in network-admin? [02:19] cenerentola: "DSL connection" is usually a network connection [02:19] cenerentola: or you mean as an alias or with PPPoE or something? === stratus [~stratus@200.198.184.97] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] treenaks: yep sorry.. a FoM has an ethernet dsl modem with a dial up connection [02:20] and i dont know how to help him === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] cenerentola: make him run 'pppoeconfig' on the command line [02:21] is it in the base installation or needs to be installed? [02:21] I think it's in the base.. but I could be wrong [02:22] treenaks: any gui in the future? [02:22] cenerentola: it's a CLUI :) [02:22] i'm back === Burgundavia_ [~rasputin@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] cenerentola: but I think it was discussed in a BOF that the PPPoE/PPPoA stuff would be in the network config thing [02:23] it's true right.. [02:23] ok thank you [02:24] lamont, ping [02:25] doko, ping [02:25] pitti, how's going the gcc stuff? [02:25] i'm going to check out the sources right now [02:25] and apply some patches [02:27] trulux: it was decided at the security bof that SSP type stuff would best be done in a derrivative distribution === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] which means that the main ubuntu-sources won't get the patch. [02:27] lamont_r, so, tell me, i'm open for any thing in such terms [02:28] the good news is that it was also announced at the conf (last saturday) that canonical is putting together tools to allow derrivitives to be easily managed, including merges, etc. [02:28] lamont_r, i see, so, when do you think this could be started? [02:29] i'm going to get a new server from a new sponsor and start re-organizing the project === jinty [~jinty@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] could it be the upgrade to gtk2-2.6? [02:30] after logging in the desktop is frozen. the panels position is loaded but no widgets displayed nautilus doesnt draw icons or the desktop either [02:30] but the mouse works fine it just cant do anything [02:31] I mean interact with anything because all else failed to load [02:31] could it be something sound-related? [02:32] AndyFitz: dows killing X and logging in again fix it? [02:32] negatory [02:33] I'm using hoary and believe it was caused by updating within the last 20 mins [02:33] anyone else experiencing this ? === Treenaks didn't update in the last 20 minutes, and is now afraid to try [02:34] I'm updating this machine and seeing if the same error occurs [02:35] although if it is gtk2-2.6.0 then I'm really stuffed because xfce4 wont work and not just gnome [02:35] lamont, ? === jamesh [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] o wait xfce ads fine on the affected machine === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] ads = loads when keyboard is taken out of range [02:36] elmo: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=fooishbar.15391134 [02:38] Mithrandir: ping [02:38] pong [02:38] nautilus seems to work fine under xfce also.. its a gnome issue but not a config one ( other accounts log in with the same issue ) [02:38] Mithrandir: ooo fails on sparc64 due to the MANIFEST [02:39] hm, weird. [02:39] Mithrandir: mind to fix it please? [02:39] prod haggai about it? [02:39] Mithrandir: i am not sure if it is related to ubuntu changes... [02:39] it is, I can take a look, sure. [02:40] I'm sure people will _love_ me for uploading ooo once a week [02:40] it would take me another 18 hours to do a test build [02:40] Mithrandir: nahh it can wait [02:40] i don't need it right away [02:40] we know that it can build.. that's the important part [02:40] I'm travelling to Oslo tomorrow, but possibly on sunday. [02:40] though, in Oslo, my bandwidth is _sucky_. [02:40] even in 2 weeks from now [02:41] don't get crazy [02:41] it's the only package missing together with strace [02:43] okay going to logout / in with this now that changes have been made . if something mucks up ill be able to identify the trouble package [02:44] Keybuk: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=fooishbar.15425417 [02:45] what's up with the cafepress-meme? [02:46] daniels: don't forget the ever-popular "CRACK!!!" [02:47] well, I just bought mjg59's "debian-legal stole my DFSG" baseball jersey, so ... === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] cant be a package problem [02:48] why? === Burgundavia_ [~rasputin@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] because this computer loaded gnome fine [02:49] after updating [02:49] -> #ubuntu === zul [~chuck@zul.developer.gentoo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] but I have no idea what else I did to affect the system [02:50] some python2.4 cruft maybe? [02:51] http://www.cafepress.com/keybuk.15425670 [02:51] ^ completed T-Shirt :p [02:51] guys please move problem solving to #ubuntu [02:51] trulux: I'm not on that team, but I expect it's not too far away [02:51] Keybuk: I'm sure thom appreciates that [02:52] Mithrandir: he hasn't thrown anything particularly heavy at me yet [02:52] he is bright red however [02:52] You're all just ripping off my designs [02:52] I might have to go buy that [02:52] You bastards [02:52] perhaps he doesn't have anything handy? [02:52] mjg59: your designs? link! [02:52] mjg59: how safe is the patch to put ppc to sleep? [02:53] elmo: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=fooishbar.15425905 [02:53] Treenaks: http://www.cafepress.com/mjg59 [02:53] fabbione: No idea [02:53] mjg59: someone was asking for inclusion [02:53] afaik the patch is from benh [02:53] fabbione: It's probably worth it [02:53] Check with benh, though, if you can [02:54] yaeh that's an option [02:54] it was me asking for it [02:54] benh is capable of submitting it upstream, so I wouldn't include it until he's got it upstream [02:54] benh seems pretty happy with it atm [02:54] personally [02:54] hopefully later tonight ill put the icon set shown here http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/icons.png [02:54] on this site for download http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette/ :) [02:54] fabbione: slick! [02:54] uh [02:54] AndyFitz: slick! [02:55] cheers [02:55] Kamion: i tend to agree, but sometims upstream can be slow [02:56] doesn't have to be released ... just in bitkeeper IMHO [02:57] *shrug* dunno [02:57] eheh [02:57] i will give it a spin [02:57] at the end 2.6.10 won't be default at the first shot [02:57] we can back it out [02:58] bob2: mind to either open a bug or send me the patch? [02:58] oh, that's true, if it's just in the crack-of-the-day build ... [02:58] bob2: just be sure the bug is assigned to me === thom ponders revenge === Kamion withdraws objection [02:58] fabbione: will do [02:58] bob2: danke [02:58] heh, let me guess danw === BradB [~bradb@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] Keybuk: where's your < Keybuk> # .la, a note to follow .so [02:59] Keybuk: shirt [02:59] Treenaks: that's not especially amusing, given it *is* the reason they're called that [02:59] Keybuk: i'm thinking about it :-) [02:59] Keybuk: it is? it's not accidental? [02:59] I'd buy it :p [02:59] Treenaks: not that I'm aware [02:59] entirely deliberate [02:59] Keybuk: scary [03:00] fabbione: on which package? [03:01] linux [03:01] whoa, the LWN article on Launchpad makes you think Soyuz is a new, non-free, package manager like e.g. dpkg [03:02] lamont_r, great [03:02] pitti, hi? [03:02] trulux: hi [03:02] it's more like a google for distrbution data [03:03] azeem: yeah, that was kinda bong [03:03] Dec 17 15:03:14 catsby kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 27723 (gimp). [03:03] nice [03:03] pitti, i'm talking to lamount about hardened debian, what opinion do you have by now? [03:03] d'oh [03:04] trulux: moment, pleaswe [03:04] daniels: you need to stop watching pr0n on all your 40 virtual desktop when using gimp [03:04] pitti, ok [03:04] thom: http://www.cafepress.com/assbarn.1858121 [03:05] trulux: we now have kernel support for SELinux, might bring SSP gcc packages into universe and I will provide a PaX kernel soon [03:05] trulux: ping me back in 15 minutes, I have to disconnect [03:05] pitti, sure [03:05] pitti, i'm doing a selinux backport for 2.4 [03:06] latest stuff [03:07] i doubt we will ever support 2.4 [03:08] fabbione: #4759 === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:09] so is there a reason why LaunchPad will not be open source (initially), or is the LWN story inaccurate in this regard? === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] trulux: we recently *dropped* support for 2.4 === pitti [~pitti@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] Kamion, i see, yeah [03:19] did i mention i hate you all? === __keybuk [~scott@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] thom: ALL? [03:19] every single one of you [03:20] thom: any particular reason? === Burgundavia_ [~rasputin@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] Treenaks: http://www.cafepress.com/keybuk.15425670 [03:24] jamesh: that's not a reason to hate :) [03:29] pitti, long 15 minutes past === smurfix_ [~smurf@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] lifeless: pmount 0.4.4 (umask 077) is in Ubuntu. Please cry out loud if your ssh stuff still does not work [03:35] trulux: hi [03:36] trulux: btw, do you know how one can detect whether a given binary was built using SSP? [03:36] pitti: thanks! === Crushed_Cigar [~zinc@ACC6068B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:36] hm.. python-serial needs a recompile I think [03:37] amu: disk copy is done [03:37] thom: are you smouldering with generic rage? [03:38] amu: and unmounted === `anthony [~anthony@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] daniels: careful [03:42] thom: bite! bite! [03:43] Canonical Deathmatch? [03:44] thom: thx [03:46] pitti, sure [03:46] pitti, strings binary | grep guard or libssp or stack_smash_handler [03:47] trulux: cool; thanks [03:50] now i must go for lunch, no food since 8am === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux said this on another channel so, it's really a problem [03:51] ;P === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:52] Kinnison: any idea how many of you lot over there will be coming on monday? [03:55] mako: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpack/ [03:55] pitti: Binary: language-support-ca, language-support-de [03:56] pitti: wheres -nl? :) [03:56] pitti: what do I have to do to make you add it? [03:56] Treenaks: it's a _demo_ package [03:56] Treenaks: nothing, I will add each and every language once the support is there [03:56] pitti: oh cool === mgedmin [~mg@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] doko: ping? [04:03] http://www.theage.com.au/news/Film/Iraq--coming-to-a-screen-near-you/2004/12/17/1102787272392.html [04:10] daniels: I wonder if they'll have a scene where a marine kills an unarmed and wounded person lying in a mosque. [04:11] Mithrandir: that'll be in the Director's Cut [04:17] pitti, how long is to being an ubuntu developer? [04:17] is it like debian timings? *shrug* [04:18] trulux: no, we have a totally different and much quicker approach :-) [04:19] trulux: the short-short story is: find an UD to work with, prove that you have the skills and introduce yourselves to the developers and the community [04:19] trulux: however, such decisions are taken by the Community Council [04:22] pitti, then let me know who wants to handle my admission [04:22] ;-) [04:23] trulux: just start doing something, make your name recognized on the mailing lists and the IRC channel [04:23] trulux: doing an actual upload can be done by an existing UD, and it should be easy to find one [04:24] trulux: much like Debian Sponsoring [04:24] pitti, kay [04:24] trulux: for example, are you interested in preparing gcc SSP packages for Ubuntu universe? [04:24] pitti, yes [04:25] Warty and hoary [04:25] i have both [04:25] trulux: this would really rock [04:25] trulux: not Warty [04:25] Hoary then [04:25] trulux: Hoary only, we will not change anything in Warty [04:25] ok [04:25] let me chroot Hoary [04:25] ;-) [04:26] trulux: we probably won't use SSP for Hoary, it needs some extensive testing [04:26] trulux: but it would be great to play with this and make it easy for other people to try out [04:26] trulux: since OpenBSD and gentoo use it as well, it cannot be so broken [04:26] trulux: our biggest concern is the supportability [04:26] pitti, yeah, listen [04:27] trulux: if there is a big chance that this will not be integrated into gcc4, then we lose [04:27] SSP overhead is minimal, impact when our libssp is used is also minimal [04:27] pitti, it will be, i know it by Etoh [04:27] I know, the runtime costs should be negligible [04:27] trulux: it will be adopted upstream? eventually? [04:27] SSP also does not make conflicts because we can make it only *legitimate* enabled, meaning we would enabled it when we would like to use it [04:28] pitti, dunno, but maybe [04:28] trulux: cool [04:28] i know some people on the FSF , even inside the core devel teams, so, i hope i can try to move things+ [04:28] trulux: so if you prepare hoary packages, they should probably be called gcc-ssp or so [04:28] but nothing assured === douglas [~douglas@suporte2.unilestemg.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:29] pitti, umm, i think they would be called .hardened [04:29] gcc-version.hardened [04:29] hmm [04:29] I'd prefer -ssp, though [04:29] -hardened because it would have more than just SSP [04:29] PIE for example [04:29] anyway, the name is not that important for now [04:29] yeah [04:29] what's PIE? [04:30] Position Independent Executables [04:30] ah [04:30] I thought that was called -fpic? [04:30] makes us able to get benefit of memory address space layout randomization [04:30] like PaX? [04:30] yeah [04:30] cool [04:31] I proposed to put a PaX kernel into our universe soon [04:31] in the time i have worked with it, i have know a config that is not invassive, it's smooth and works fine on debian-based envs [04:31] pitti, i would help with that [04:31] ssp and PaX together provide a good protection against buffer overflow exploits [04:31] not only that, also to many other things [04:31] trulux: does X.org still break with PaX? [04:32] dunno really, i think that was XFree, XOrg is pax-friendly AFAIK [04:32] trulux: I remember that older XFree versions did not play well with pax [04:32] well, I'll try that out [04:32] you break it, you get to keep both pieces :P === herzi [~herzi@c206205.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:40] thanks Keybuk ! === skyrider [~skyrider@195.128.178.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:51] pitti, can you upload my pkgs after i build them? [04:51] trulux: sure [04:52] pitti, thanks ;D [04:53] trulux: cool, I'm looking forward to playing around with it [04:53] pitti, maybe an Ubuntu-Hardened Debian alliance should be created, i was promoting such alliances between hardened gentoo, adamantix and debhard [04:53] tseng, right? :) [04:56] pitti: [04:56] root@estila:/# apt-get install dpkg-dev debnest [04:56] Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho [04:56] Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho [04:56] i'm getting the devel tools [05:00] ready [05:00] pitti, i hope i will work on the collision rts and let this get the toolchain sources [05:00] kay? [05:01] sure, thanks [05:01] also, we must provide a special binutils package [05:01] we need the kernel.org version [05:01] trulux: is it specific for SSP, or has it some general modifications which also allow SSP? [05:02] the binutils one? is for native PaX marking support [05:02] PT_PAX_FLAGS === douglas [~douglas@suporte2.unilestemg.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Fui] [05:02] ah, that one [05:02] i have a work that maybe you can do, as i'm not able to figure how to do it [05:03] packaging the libssp as debian pkg [05:03] i couldn't do it [05:03] trulux: what makes it difficult? [05:04] my (un)experience on packaging libraries that need to be installed in some different locations [05:05] trulux: hmm, I can do that [05:07] ok [05:08] pitti, give me an address to send you the tarball [05:08] it's light [05:08] libssp? [05:08] trulux: martin.pitt@canonical.com [05:08] trulux: if it is bigger than 100 KB, then please put it onto people.d.o or so [05:08] trulux: or, rather [05:09] trulux: can you just send me the upstream URL? [05:09] i'm the upstream === trulux smiles [05:09] oooohkay [05:09] trulux: what does this lib do? === Simira [~rpGirl@223.80-202-211.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:12] pitti, implements SSP as shared lib [05:12] no more crappy behaviors nor strange errors [05:12] trulux: you mean the functions that generate and check canaries? [05:12] yep [05:12] ssp.c [05:12] trulux: and previous versions did this with macros? [05:12] it provides backward compatibility with Glibc version [05:13] just that [05:13] it was an original idea of some gentoo devs [05:13] because what the world needs is more shared libraries [05:14] to be more exact, more shared libraries that might end up being linked to every application [05:14] pitti, sorry, my evo did something stupid and tarball is not included, resending [05:16] pitti, sent [05:18] trulux: got it, thanks === skyrider [~skyrider@195.128.178.150] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:21] ok [05:21] pitti, then i will start playing around gcc [05:21] gcc-3.3 or gcc-3.4? [05:21] what one do you want with SSP & PIE [05:21] I don't really mind [05:22] in the end we should be able to provide both [05:22] but for playing around either is fine [05:24] then 3.4 === jdub [~jdub@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:34] thom may? [05:36] anyone knows his nick? [05:36] mooch: thom is the correct one [05:36] thom: ping [05:37] mooch: he's not here at the moment === lamont__r [~lamont@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@210.18.160.134] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:49] hi all i am having major problem === jinty [~jinty@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:49] can anyone help me, please? [05:50] i installed ubuntu, and entered username as "rohandhruva" and a password, but whenever i enter it in newly installed sysytem, after entering password, it again asks for username [05:51] try "rohandhr" as your username [05:51] It may be truncating to 8 characters [05:58] doko, i'm starting a hardened gcc-3.4 packages for hoary === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@210.18.160.134] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:58] hi, i need some help, can anyonr help me? [05:59] i will change the pkgs names but i need some help on creating the right configuration for them, i mean, they must not conflict with gcc-3.4 ones [05:59] we need a gentoo-alike gcc profile changer [05:59] or even different named gcc packages [06:00] i installed ubuntu, chose username "rohandhruva" and a password, but now thats not accpeted, after entering password, i again am returned to username prompt [06:00] trulux: er [06:01] ii gcc-3.3 3.3.5-4 The GNU C compiler [06:01] ii gcc-3.4 3.4.3-2ubuntu1 The GNU C compiler [06:02] daniels, i just appended -hardened to version [06:03] name is not important by now [06:04] da_bon_bon: try "rohandhr" as your username [06:08] trulux: well, we have differently-named gcc packages [06:08] daniels, i'm just following what pitti said, but tell me about them [06:09] i'm new in Ubuntu development [06:09] trulux: gcc-2.95 ... gcc-3.2 ... gcc-3.3 ... gcc-3.4 ... [06:11] yeah === madduck is now known as god === god is now known as bookwriter === bookwriter is now known as madduck [06:30] ping [06:30] there is an error in the wiki web page [06:30] System Message: ERROR/3 (, line 3) [06:30] Document or section may not begin with a transition. [06:30] ubuntulinux.com/wiki [06:30] at the bottom [06:30] it's a wiki, you can fix it ... :) [06:31] Kamion: i believe is more a code problem... [06:32] gotta go [06:33] mooch: well, there's junk at the end of the page [06:33] mooch: deleting it solved the problem === sivang [~sivang@80.179.82.41.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === douglas [~douglas@suporte2.unilestemg.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:34] hi ! [06:34] where i can report a pygtk error ? [06:34] im using ubuntu hoary === HcE reported his first bug _with_ correcting patch today =) [06:35] bugzilla; but note that an upload happened just recently to fix a pygtk problem [06:35] mooch: that's the way docutils tells you about incorrect reStructuredText markup [06:37] hey Kamion [06:37] you right [06:37] i updated ubuntu and it worked [06:37] thanks :) === smurfix_ [~smurf@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elmo [~james@213.151.107.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-2-179.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fpk^off is now known as fpk === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maskie [~maskie@196-30-111-121.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gsuveg [~gsuveg@hosting.suveg.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:06] re === i3dmaster [~i3dmaster@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fpk [~Rel@prag151.server4you.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === _rene__ [~rene@dsl-213-023-036-010.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [~rpGirl@223.80-202-211.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] I just *love* the new menus in hoary Gnome! [09:18] Simira: seb128 isn't here to receive your love :) [09:18] oh, shame... well, I'll get him later :) [09:19] I didn't like the last one at all... [09:19] "the last one"? [09:20] the messy one :p menu setup, that is [09:20] ah ok [09:25] Simira, new menus? [09:25] which ones? [09:25] Simira: the applications/places/system ones I think [09:25] sivang: in hoary, Apps;Places;System [09:26] Simira, can't see them.. [09:26] strange. === _rene__ is now known as _rene_ [09:26] maybe I have to logout the gnome session :) [09:26] sivang: last update, though. Made today. [09:26] or someth [09:26] sivang: update to the latest hoary, and if you're running a stock kernel, reboot [09:27] sivang: that should take care of it :) [09:27] Simira, were there any discussin before the layout change? or is it a debian upstream change? [09:27] sivang: quite a lot of discussions, I believe. I really like the result, anyway [09:27] Simira, where was it? devel mailing list? [09:28] sivang: not sure, I didn't read it ;p [09:34] *plays with hoary* [09:39] sivang: there were some discussion on the devel list === pd_MELAPACHIQUE [MELAPACHIQ@86.Red-83-33-48.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pd_MELAPACHIQUE [MELAPACHIQ@86.Red-83-33-48.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~sivang@80.179.82.41.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Qerub [qerub@h141n2fls303o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] Anyone file like uploading a PO template of gnome-panel to Rosetta? [11:15] crap! [11:15] where can I find a downloadable dicionary for translation?