[06:59] <ironwolf> python2.4-pyorbit is borked is appears.
[07:25] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: you forgot to actually attach my signed key. :P
[08:30] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: hm..
[08:45] <thom> Mithrandir: I blame intelligent design, personally
[09:09] <sid77> hi
[09:10] <Treenaks> hi
[09:51] <bob2> mjg59: X seems to be very unhappy waking up on my laptop
[09:52] <Treenaks> bob2: it's an X40 right?
[09:52] <bob2> yup
[09:53] <daniels> worksforme
[09:53] <Treenaks> bob2: poke daniels ;)
[09:53] <bob2> hah, his works fine
[09:54] <Treenaks> bob2: he might be able to tell you how :0
[09:56] <Treenaks> hey John Smith :)
[01:24] <robtaylor> hey all. so, if i want to package something up for ubuntu (gaim-vv) should i just package it in debian unstable 1st? 
[01:25] <sivang> robtaylor : why not packaging it in hoary?
[01:26] <carlos> robtaylor: yeah, if you can, please package it for Debian first
[01:27] <robtaylor> meh. someone give me more input
[01:28] <Treenaks> robtaylor: well, get debian, build package :)
[01:28] <robtaylor> carlos: on another matter, had chance to play with accessd yet?
[01:28] <carlos> robtaylor: not yet, sorry
[01:29] <carlos> I'm really busy with Rosetta atm
[01:29] <robtaylor> ok i'm happy with the package for debian route.. (apart from the the month-long-new-package-must-be-evil wait)
[01:29] <robtaylor> carlos: np :_
[01:30] <Treenaks> robtaylor: just poke elmo :)
[01:31] <robtaylor> Treenaks: that genereally doesnt seem to help much...
[01:31] <Treenaks> robtaylor: poke him harder
[01:31] <robtaylor> heh
[01:31] <robtaylor> ok///
[01:32] <robtaylor> heh. if hoary has gaim-vv in core (and i can stabilise it) it will be posed to take over ervy cibercafe in the WORLD!
[01:33] <Treenaks> robtaylor: wouldn't it be better to fold the changes back into gaim mainline?
[01:34] <robtaylor> Treenaks: i think thats the long term plan.. though upstream seem a little, well, odd
[01:35] <sivang> Does anybody know what was the big show yesterday? :)
[01:35] <Treenaks> uh isn't the Big Show today?
[01:36] <sivang> Treenaks, I'm sure not, lulu said she had to go to it last night :)
[01:36] <Treenaks> sivang: hm
[01:37] <sivang> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConfAgenda
[01:37] <sivang> read the "SHow" about line, for "Thursday night 16th December"
[01:38] <Treenaks> "LinuxSpectacular" on the schedule
[01:38] <Treenaks> www.xdeblas.com/linuxshow
[01:38] <lifeless> that was last night
[01:38] <lifeless> 7:30 in the ballroom
[01:38] <Treenaks> lifeless: yes, that's what he said
[01:39] <carlos> sivang: http://www.xdeblas.com/linuxshow/
[01:39] <sivang> carlos : tnx, on to it now, tnx Treenaks :)
[01:40] <sivang> boy it's slow to download the MPG...
[01:40] <Treenaks> sivang: set up a torrent mirror :)
[01:41] <carlos> sivang: it's hosted in a 128Kbps ADSL line
[01:41] <carlos> so it's normal
[01:41] <carlos> I have a bigger version here
[01:41] <carlos> but don't think I could send you it
[01:41] <sivang> carlos, no thanks alot anyways :) I would wait for it to download..
[01:42] <sivang> carlos, hmm it won't download..Hmm I'll just wait for Xavier to have a mirror for it :)
[01:43] <carlos> it does not work?
[01:43] <sivang> does anyone know kiko's irc nick? :)
[02:05] <carlos> sivang: kiko :-)
[02:06] <sivang> carlos, :)
[02:08] <cenerentola> kiko, :)
[02:09] <elmo>  _* Opt python   python-fixed A fixed point math object for python [dummy package]                                              
[02:09] <elmo>   _* Opt python   python-id3li id3lib wrapper for Python - dummy package                                                        
[02:09] <elmo>   _* Opt python   python-mpz   Multiple-precision arithmetic support for Python (default version)                               
[02:09] <elmo>   _* Opt python   python-pyxat module for manipulating filesystem extended attributes          
[02:10] <elmo> doko: ubuntu-desktop depends on those and they appear to be br0k3n
[02:10] <doko> python-fixed isn't built anymore, use the decimal type in 2.4. no packages depend on python-fixedpoint
[02:11] <doko> python-mpz is removed.
[02:11] <Kamion> if somebody updates the seeds, I can probably figure out how to change ubuntu-desktop
[02:11] <doko> I'll look at the other two.
[02:12] <sivang> anybody know if smurfix has changed his nick?
[02:13] <Kamion> sivang: try /names
[02:17] <Keybuk> thom: WIKI! :p
[02:17] <Keybuk> please <g>
[02:18] <cenerentola> sorry ppl but why isnt dsl connection included in network-admin?
[02:19] <Treenaks> cenerentola: "DSL connection" is usually a network connection
[02:19] <Treenaks> cenerentola: or you mean as an alias or with PPPoE or something?
[02:20] <cenerentola> treenaks: yep sorry.. a FoM has an ethernet dsl modem with a dial up connection
[02:20] <cenerentola> and i dont know how to help him
[02:20] <Treenaks> cenerentola: make him run 'pppoeconfig' on the command line
[02:21] <cenerentola> is it in the base installation or needs to be installed?
[02:21] <Treenaks> I think it's in the base.. but I could be wrong
[02:22] <cenerentola> treenaks: any gui in the future?
[02:22] <Treenaks> cenerentola: it's a CLUI :)
[02:22] <trulux> i'm back
[02:22] <Treenaks> cenerentola: but I think it was discussed in a BOF that the PPPoE/PPPoA stuff would be in the network config thing
[02:23] <cenerentola> it's true right..
[02:23] <cenerentola> ok thank you
[02:24] <trulux> lamont, ping
[02:25] <trulux> doko, ping
[02:25] <trulux> pitti, how's going the gcc stuff?
[02:25] <trulux> i'm going to check out the sources right now
[02:25] <trulux> and apply some patches
[02:27] <lamont_r> trulux: it was decided at the security bof that SSP type stuff would best be done in a derrivative distribution
[02:27] <lamont_r> which means that the main ubuntu-sources won't get the patch.
[02:27] <trulux> lamont_r, so, tell me, i'm open for any thing in such terms
[02:28] <lamont_r> the good news is that it was also announced at the conf (last saturday) that canonical is putting together tools to allow derrivitives to be easily managed, including merges, etc.
[02:28] <trulux> lamont_r, i see, so, when do you think this could be started?
[02:29] <trulux> i'm going to get a new server from a new sponsor and start re-organizing the project
[02:29] <AndyFitz> could it be the upgrade to gtk2-2.6?
[02:30] <AndyFitz> after logging in the desktop is frozen. the panels position is loaded but no widgets displayed  nautilus doesnt draw icons or the desktop either
[02:30] <AndyFitz> but the mouse works fine   it just cant do anything 
[02:31] <AndyFitz>  I mean interact with anything because all else failed to load
[02:31] <Treenaks> could it be something sound-related?
[02:32] <bob2> AndyFitz: dows killing X and logging in again fix it?
[02:32] <AndyFitz> negatory
[02:33] <AndyFitz> I'm using hoary and believe it was caused by updating within the last 20 mins
[02:33] <AndyFitz> anyone else experiencing this ?
[02:34] <AndyFitz> I'm updating this machine and seeing if the same error occurs 
[02:35] <AndyFitz> although if it is gtk2-2.6.0 then I'm really stuffed because xfce4 wont work  and not just gnome
[02:35] <trulux> lamont, ?
[02:36] <AndyFitz> o wait xfce ads fine on the affected machine 
[02:36] <AndyFitz>  ads = loads     when keyboard is taken out of range 
[02:36] <daniels> elmo: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=fooishbar.15391134
[02:38] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ping
[02:38] <Mithrandir> pong
[02:38] <AndyFitz> nautilus seems to work fine under xfce also..  its a gnome issue but not a config one  ( other accounts log in with the same issue )
[02:38] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ooo fails on sparc64 due to the MANIFEST
[02:39] <Mithrandir> hm, weird.
[02:39] <fabbione> Mithrandir: mind to fix it please?
[02:39] <Mithrandir> prod haggai about it?
[02:39] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i am not sure if it is related to ubuntu changes...
[02:39] <Mithrandir> it is, I can take a look, sure.
[02:40] <Mithrandir> I'm sure people will _love_ me for uploading ooo once a week
[02:40] <fabbione> it would take me another 18 hours to do a test build
[02:40] <fabbione> Mithrandir: nahh it can wait
[02:40] <fabbione> i don't need it right away
[02:40] <fabbione> we know that it can build.. that's the important part
[02:40] <Mithrandir> I'm travelling to Oslo tomorrow, but possibly on sunday.
[02:40] <Mithrandir> though, in Oslo, my bandwidth is _sucky_.
[02:40] <fabbione> even in 2 weeks from now
[02:41] <fabbione> don't get crazy
[02:41] <fabbione> it's the only package missing together with strace
[02:43] <AndyFitz> okay going to logout / in with this now that changes have been made . if something mucks up ill be able to identify the trouble package 
[02:44] <daniels> Keybuk: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=fooishbar.15425417
[02:45] <Treenaks> what's up with the cafepress-meme?
[02:46] <Treenaks> daniels: don't forget the ever-popular "CRACK!!!"
[02:47] <Kamion> well, I just bought mjg59's "debian-legal stole my DFSG" baseball jersey, so ...
[02:47] <AndyFitz> cant be a package problem 
[02:48] <Treenaks> why?
[02:49] <AndyFitz> because this computer loaded gnome fine 
[02:49] <AndyFitz> after updating 
[02:49] <fabbione> -> #ubuntu
[02:50] <AndyFitz> but I have no idea what else I did to affect the system
[02:50] <Treenaks> some python2.4 cruft maybe?
[02:51] <Keybuk> http://www.cafepress.com/keybuk.15425670
[02:51] <Keybuk> ^ completed T-Shirt :p
[02:51] <fabbione> guys please move problem solving to #ubuntu
[02:51] <lamont_r> trulux: I'm not on that team, but I expect it's not too far away
[02:51] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: I'm sure thom appreciates that
[02:52] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: he hasn't thrown anything particularly heavy at me yet
[02:52] <Keybuk> he is bright red however
[02:52] <mjg59> You're all just ripping off my designs
[02:52] <Burgundavia_> I might have to go buy that
[02:52] <mjg59> You bastards
[02:52] <Mithrandir> perhaps he doesn't have anything handy?
[02:52] <Treenaks> mjg59: your designs? link!
[02:52] <fabbione> mjg59: how safe is the patch to put ppc to sleep?
[02:53] <daniels> elmo: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=fooishbar.15425905
[02:53] <mjg59> Treenaks: http://www.cafepress.com/mjg59
[02:53] <mjg59> fabbione: No idea
[02:53] <fabbione> mjg59: someone was asking for inclusion
[02:53] <fabbione> afaik the patch is from benh
[02:53] <mjg59> fabbione: It's probably worth it
[02:53] <mjg59> Check with benh, though, if you can
[02:54] <fabbione> yaeh that's an option
[02:54] <bob2> it was me asking for it
[02:54] <Kamion> benh is capable of submitting it upstream, so I wouldn't include it until he's got it upstream
[02:54] <bob2> benh seems pretty happy with it atm
[02:54] <Kamion> personally
[02:54] <AndyFitz> hopefully later tonight ill put the icon set shown here http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/icons.png
[02:54] <AndyFitz> on this site  for download http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette/  :)
[02:54] <Treenaks> fabbione: slick!
[02:54] <Treenaks> uh
[02:54] <Treenaks> AndyFitz: slick!
[02:55] <AndyFitz> cheers
[02:55] <fabbione> Kamion: i tend to agree, but sometims upstream can be slow
[02:56] <Kamion> doesn't have to be released ... just in bitkeeper IMHO
[02:57] <Kamion> *shrug* dunno
[02:57] <fabbione> eheh
[02:57] <fabbione> i will give it a spin
[02:57] <fabbione> at the end 2.6.10 won't be default at the first shot
[02:57] <fabbione> we can back it out
[02:58] <fabbione> bob2: mind to either open a bug or send me the patch?
[02:58] <Kamion> oh, that's true, if it's just in the crack-of-the-day build ...
[02:58] <fabbione> bob2: just be sure the bug is assigned to me
[02:58] <bob2> fabbione: will do
[02:58] <fabbione> bob2: danke
[02:58] <Keybuk> heh, let me guess danw
[02:59] <Treenaks> Keybuk: where's your < Keybuk> # .la, a note to follow .so
[02:59] <Treenaks> Keybuk: shirt
[02:59] <Keybuk> Treenaks: that's not especially amusing, given it *is* the reason they're called that
[02:59] <thom> Keybuk: i'm thinking about it :-)
[02:59] <Treenaks> Keybuk: it is? it's not accidental?
[02:59] <Keybuk> I'd buy it :p
[02:59] <Keybuk> Treenaks: not that I'm aware
[02:59] <Keybuk> entirely deliberate
[02:59] <Treenaks> Keybuk: scary
[03:00] <bob2> fabbione: on which package?
[03:01] <fabbione> linux
[03:01] <azeem> whoa, the LWN article on Launchpad makes you think Soyuz is a new, non-free, package manager like e.g. dpkg
[03:02] <trulux> lamont_r, great
[03:02] <trulux> pitti, hi?
[03:02] <pitti> trulux: hi
[03:02] <Keybuk> it's more like a google for distrbution data
[03:03] <jdub> azeem: yeah, that was kinda bong
[03:03] <daniels> Dec 17 15:03:14 catsby kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 27723 (gimp).
[03:03] <fabbione> nice
[03:03] <trulux> pitti, i'm talking to lamount about hardened debian, what opinion do you have by now?
[03:03] <daniels> d'oh
[03:04] <pitti> trulux: moment, pleaswe
[03:04] <fabbione> daniels: you need to stop watching pr0n on all your 40 virtual desktop when using gimp
[03:04] <trulux> pitti, ok
[03:04] <Keybuk> thom: http://www.cafepress.com/assbarn.1858121
[03:05] <pitti> trulux: we now have kernel support for SELinux, might bring SSP gcc packages into universe and I will provide a PaX kernel soon
[03:05] <pitti> trulux: ping me back in 15 minutes, I have to disconnect 
[03:05] <trulux> pitti, sure
[03:05] <trulux> pitti, i'm doing a selinux backport for 2.4
[03:06] <trulux> latest stuff
[03:07] <fabbione> i doubt we will ever support 2.4
[03:08] <bob2> fabbione: #4759
[03:09] <azeem> so is there a reason why LaunchPad will not be open source (initially), or is the LWN story inaccurate in this regard?
[03:16] <Kamion> trulux: we recently *dropped* support for 2.4
[03:17] <trulux> Kamion, i see, yeah
[03:19] <thom> did i mention i hate you all?
[03:19] <Treenaks> thom: ALL?
[03:19] <thom> every single one of you
[03:20] <Treenaks> thom: any particular reason?
[03:24] <jamesh> Treenaks: http://www.cafepress.com/keybuk.15425670
[03:24] <Treenaks> jamesh: that's not a reason to hate :)
[03:29] <trulux> pitti, long 15 minutes past
[03:35] <pitti> lifeless: pmount 0.4.4 (umask 077) is in Ubuntu. Please cry out loud if your ssh stuff still does not work
[03:35] <pitti> trulux: hi
[03:36] <pitti> trulux: btw, do you know how one can detect whether a given binary was built using SSP?
[03:36] <lifeless> pitti: thanks!
[03:36] <Treenaks> hm.. python-serial needs a recompile I think
[03:37] <thom> amu: disk copy is done
[03:37] <daniels> thom: are you smouldering with generic rage?
[03:38] <thom> amu: and unmounted
[03:40] <thom> daniels: careful
[03:42] <Mithrandir> thom: bite!  bite!
[03:43] <Treenaks> Canonical Deathmatch?
[03:44] <amu> thom: thx
[03:46] <trulux> pitti, sure
[03:46] <trulux> pitti, strings binary | grep guard or libssp or stack_smash_handler
[03:47] <pitti> trulux: cool; thanks
[03:50] <trulux> now i must go for lunch, no food since 8am
[03:51] <trulux> ;P
[03:52] <robtaylor> Kinnison: any idea how many of you lot over there will be coming on monday?
[03:55] <pitti> mako: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpack/
[03:55] <Treenaks> pitti: Binary: language-support-ca, language-support-de
[03:56] <Treenaks> pitti: wheres -nl? :)
[03:56] <Treenaks> pitti: what do I have to do to make you add it?
[03:56] <pitti> Treenaks: it's a _demo_ package
[03:56] <pitti> Treenaks: nothing, I will add each and every language once the support is there
[03:56] <Treenaks> pitti: oh cool
[04:02] <jdub> doko: ping?
[04:03] <daniels> http://www.theage.com.au/news/Film/Iraq--coming-to-a-screen-near-you/2004/12/17/1102787272392.html
[04:10] <Mithrandir> daniels: I wonder if they'll have a scene where a marine kills an unarmed and wounded person lying in a mosque.
[04:11] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: that'll be in the Director's Cut
[04:17] <trulux> pitti, how long is to being an ubuntu developer?
[04:17] <trulux> is it like debian timings? *shrug*
[04:18] <pitti> trulux: no, we have a totally different and much quicker approach :-)
[04:19] <pitti> trulux: the short-short story is: find an UD to work with, prove that you have the skills and introduce yourselves to the developers and the community
[04:19] <pitti> trulux: however, such decisions are taken by the Community Council
[04:22] <trulux> pitti, then let me know who wants to handle my admission
[04:22] <trulux> ;-)
[04:23] <pitti> trulux: just start doing something, make your name recognized on the mailing lists and the IRC channel
[04:23] <pitti> trulux: doing an actual upload can be done by an existing UD, and it should be easy to find one
[04:24] <pitti> trulux: much like Debian Sponsoring
[04:24] <trulux> pitti, kay
[04:24] <pitti> trulux: for example, are you interested in preparing gcc SSP packages for Ubuntu universe?
[04:24] <trulux> pitti, yes
[04:25] <trulux> Warty and hoary
[04:25] <trulux> i have both
[04:25] <pitti> trulux: this would really rock
[04:25] <pitti> trulux: not Warty
[04:25] <trulux> Hoary then
[04:25] <pitti> trulux: Hoary only, we will not change anything in Warty
[04:25] <trulux> ok
[04:25] <trulux> let me chroot Hoary
[04:25] <trulux> ;-)
[04:26] <pitti> trulux: we probably won't use SSP for Hoary, it needs some extensive testing
[04:26] <pitti> trulux: but it would be great to play with this and make it easy for other people to try out
[04:26] <pitti> trulux: since OpenBSD and gentoo use it as well, it cannot be so broken
[04:26] <pitti> trulux: our biggest concern is the supportability
[04:26] <trulux> pitti, yeah, listen
[04:27] <pitti> trulux: if there is a big chance that this will not be integrated into gcc4, then we lose
[04:27] <trulux> SSP overhead is minimal, impact when our libssp is used is also minimal
[04:27] <trulux> pitti, it will be, i know it by Etoh
[04:27] <pitti> I know, the runtime costs should be negligible
[04:27] <pitti> trulux: it will be adopted upstream? eventually? 
[04:27] <trulux> SSP also does not make conflicts because we can make it only *legitimate* enabled, meaning we would enabled it when we would like to use it
[04:28] <trulux> pitti, dunno, but maybe
[04:28] <pitti> trulux: cool
[04:28] <trulux> i know some people on the FSF ,  even inside the core devel teams, so, i hope i can try to move things+
[04:28] <pitti> trulux: so if you prepare hoary packages, they should probably be called gcc-ssp or so
[04:28] <trulux> but nothing assured
[04:29] <trulux> pitti, umm, i think they would be called .hardened
[04:29] <trulux> gcc-version.hardened
[04:29] <pitti> hmm
[04:29] <pitti> I'd prefer -ssp, though
[04:29] <trulux> -hardened because it would have more than just SSP
[04:29] <trulux> PIE for example
[04:29] <pitti> anyway, the name is not that important for now
[04:29] <trulux> yeah
[04:29] <pitti> what's PIE?
[04:30] <trulux> Position Independent Executables
[04:30] <pitti> ah
[04:30] <pitti> I thought that was called -fpic?
[04:30] <trulux> makes us able to get benefit of memory address space layout randomization
[04:30] <pitti> like PaX?
[04:30] <trulux> yeah
[04:30] <pitti> cool
[04:31] <pitti> I proposed to put a PaX kernel into our universe soon
[04:31] <trulux> in the time i have worked with it, i have know a config that is not invassive, it's smooth and works fine on debian-based envs
[04:31] <trulux> pitti, i would help with that
[04:31] <pitti> ssp and PaX together provide a good protection against buffer overflow exploits
[04:31] <trulux> not only that, also to many other things
[04:31] <pitti> trulux: does X.org still break with PaX?
[04:32] <trulux> dunno really, i think that was XFree, XOrg is pax-friendly AFAIK
[04:32] <pitti> trulux: I remember that older XFree versions did not play well with pax
[04:32] <pitti> well, I'll try that out
[04:32] <daniels> you break it, you get to keep both pieces :P
[04:40] <mvo> thanks Keybuk !
[04:51] <trulux> pitti, can you upload my pkgs after i build them?
[04:51] <pitti> trulux: sure
[04:52] <trulux> pitti, thanks ;D
[04:53] <pitti> trulux: cool, I'm looking forward to playing around with it
[04:53] <trulux> pitti, maybe an Ubuntu-Hardened Debian alliance should be created, i was promoting such alliances between hardened gentoo, adamantix and debhard
[04:53] <trulux> tseng, right? :)
[04:56] <trulux> pitti:
[04:56] <trulux> root@estila:/# apt-get install dpkg-dev debnest
[04:56] <trulux> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[04:56] <trulux> Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho
[04:56] <trulux> i'm getting the devel tools
[05:00] <trulux> ready
[05:00] <trulux> pitti, i hope i will work on the collision rts and let this get the toolchain sources
[05:00] <trulux> kay?
[05:01] <pitti> sure, thanks
[05:01] <trulux> also, we must provide a special binutils package
[05:01] <trulux> we need the kernel.org version
[05:01] <pitti> trulux: is it specific for SSP, or has it some general modifications which also allow SSP?
[05:02] <trulux> the binutils one? is for native PaX marking support
[05:02] <trulux> PT_PAX_FLAGS
[05:02] <pitti> ah, that one
[05:02] <trulux> i have a work that maybe you can do, as i'm not able to figure how to do it
[05:03] <trulux> packaging the libssp as debian pkg
[05:03] <trulux> i couldn't do it
[05:03] <pitti> trulux: what makes it difficult?
[05:04] <trulux> my (un)experience on packaging libraries that need to be installed in some different locations
[05:05] <pitti> trulux: hmm, I can do that
[05:07] <trulux> ok
[05:08] <trulux> pitti, give me an address to send you the tarball
[05:08] <trulux> it's light
[05:08] <pitti> libssp?
[05:08] <pitti> trulux: martin.pitt@canonical.com
[05:08] <pitti> trulux: if it is bigger than 100 KB, then please put it onto people.d.o or so
[05:08] <pitti> trulux: or, rather
[05:09] <pitti> trulux: can you just send me the upstream URL?
[05:09] <trulux> i'm the upstream
[05:09] <pitti> oooohkay
[05:09] <pitti> trulux: what does this lib do?
[05:12] <trulux> pitti, implements SSP as shared lib
[05:12] <trulux> no more crappy behaviors nor strange errors
[05:12] <pitti> trulux: you mean the functions that generate and check canaries?
[05:12] <trulux> yep
[05:12] <trulux> ssp.c
[05:12] <pitti> trulux: and previous versions did this with macros?
[05:12] <trulux> it provides backward compatibility with Glibc version
[05:13] <trulux> just that
[05:13] <trulux> it was an original idea of some gentoo devs
[05:13] <jamesh> because what the world needs is more shared libraries
[05:14] <jamesh> to be more exact, more shared libraries that might end up being linked to every application
[05:14] <trulux> pitti, sorry, my evo did something stupid and tarball is not included, resending
[05:16] <trulux> pitti, sent
[05:18] <pitti> trulux: got it, thanks
[05:21] <trulux> ok
[05:21] <trulux> pitti, then i will start playing around gcc
[05:21] <trulux> gcc-3.3 or gcc-3.4?
[05:21] <trulux> what one do you want with SSP & PIE
[05:21] <pitti> I don't really mind
[05:22] <pitti> in the end we should be able to provide both
[05:22] <pitti> but for playing around either is fine
[05:24] <trulux> then 3.4
[05:34] <mooch> thom may?
[05:36] <mooch> anyone knows his nick?
[05:36] <pitti> mooch: thom is the correct one
[05:36] <mooch> thom: ping
[05:37] <daniels> mooch: he's not here at the moment
[05:49] <da_bon_bon> hi all i am having major problem
[05:49] <da_bon_bon> can anyone help me, please?
[05:50] <da_bon_bon>  i installed ubuntu, and entered username as "rohandhruva" and a password, but whenever i enter it in newly installed sysytem, after entering password, it again asks for username
[05:51] <Kinnison> try "rohandhr" as your username
[05:51] <Kinnison> It may be truncating to 8 characters
[05:58] <trulux> doko, i'm starting a hardened gcc-3.4 packages for hoary
[05:58] <da_bon_bon> hi, i need some help, can anyonr help me?
[05:59] <trulux> i will change the pkgs names but i need some help on creating the right configuration for them, i mean, they must not conflict with gcc-3.4 ones
[05:59] <trulux> we need a gentoo-alike gcc profile changer
[05:59] <trulux> or even different named gcc packages
[06:00] <da_bon_bon> i installed ubuntu, chose username "rohandhruva" and a password, but now thats not accpeted, after entering password, i again am returned to username prompt
[06:00] <daniels> trulux: er
[06:01] <daniels> ii  gcc-3.3                   3.3.5-4                   The GNU C compiler
[06:01] <daniels> ii  gcc-3.4                   3.4.3-2ubuntu1            The GNU C compiler
[06:02] <trulux> daniels, i just appended -hardened to version
[06:03] <trulux> name is not important by now
[06:04] <Kinnison> da_bon_bon: try "rohandhr" as your username
[06:08] <daniels> trulux: well, we have differently-named gcc packages
[06:08] <trulux> daniels, i'm just following what pitti said, but tell me about them
[06:09] <trulux> i'm new in Ubuntu development
[06:09] <daniels> trulux: gcc-2.95 ... gcc-3.2 ... gcc-3.3 ... gcc-3.4 ...
[06:11] <trulux> yeah
[06:30] <mooch> ping
[06:30] <mooch> there is an error in the wiki web page
[06:30] <mooch> System Message: ERROR/3 (<string>, line 3)
[06:30] <mooch> Document or section may not begin with a transition.
[06:30] <mooch> ubuntulinux.com/wiki
[06:30] <mooch> at the bottom
[06:30] <Kamion> it's a wiki, you can fix it ... :)
[06:31] <mooch> Kamion: i believe is more a code problem...
[06:32] <mooch> gotta go
[06:33] <Kamion> mooch: well, there's junk at the end of the page
[06:33] <Kamion> mooch: deleting it solved the problem
[06:34] <douglas> hi !
[06:34] <douglas> where i can report a pygtk error ?
[06:34] <douglas> im using ubuntu hoary
[06:35] <Kamion> bugzilla; but note that an upload happened just recently to fix a pygtk problem
[06:35] <mgedmin> mooch: that's the way docutils tells you about incorrect reStructuredText markup
[06:37] <douglas> hey Kamion
[06:37] <douglas> you right
[06:37] <douglas> i updated ubuntu and it worked
[06:37] <douglas> thanks :)
[08:06] <gsuveg> re
[09:17] <Simira> I just *love* the new menus in hoary Gnome!
[09:18] <Treenaks> Simira: seb128 isn't here to receive your love :)
[09:18] <Simira> oh, shame... well, I'll get him later :)
[09:19] <Simira> I didn't like the last one at all...
[09:19] <Treenaks> "the last one"?
[09:20] <Simira> the messy one :p menu setup, that is
[09:20] <Treenaks> ah ok
[09:25] <sivang> Simira, new menus?
[09:25] <sivang> which ones?
[09:25] <Treenaks> Simira: the applications/places/system ones I think
[09:25] <Simira> sivang: in hoary, Apps;Places;System
[09:26] <sivang> Simira, can't see them..
[09:26] <sivang> strange.
[09:26] <sivang> maybe I have to logout the gnome session :)
[09:26] <Simira> sivang: last update, though. Made today.
[09:26] <Simira> or someth
[09:26] <Treenaks> sivang: update to the latest hoary, and if you're running a stock kernel, reboot
[09:27] <Treenaks> sivang: that should take care of it :)
[09:27] <sivang> Simira, were there any discussin before the layout change? or is it a debian upstream change?
[09:27] <Simira> sivang: quite a lot of discussions, I believe. I really like the result, anyway
[09:27] <sivang> Simira, where was it? devel mailing list?
[09:28] <Simira> sivang: not sure, I didn't read it ;p
[09:34] <Simira> *plays with hoary*
[09:39] <Fwiffo_> sivang: there were some discussion on the devel list
[11:10] <Qerub> Anyone file like uploading a PO template of gnome-panel to Rosetta?
[11:15] <Simira> crap!
[11:15] <Simira> where can I find a downloadable dicionary for translation?