[12:10] <Josephus> why is that gdm refuses to start X (it sais there's already one running), but if i start it by startx it just works fine
[12:12] <stuNNed> Josephus, welp
[12:12] <stuNNed> killall gdm && gdm
[12:13] <Josephus> it doesn't help, and if that helps it was the second reboot of my new system, first time it worked :)
[12:13] <scoon> stuNNed, what does ps aux | grep -i gdm
[12:14] <scoon> stuNNed, give up when you get that err ?
[12:14] <stuNNed> scoon, ?
[12:14] <scoon> stuNNed, yes
[12:16] <stuNNed> scoon, sorry i don't understand your geek talk ;)
[12:16] <Josephus> it keeps asking me to start a second X on a different screen, but at that time there is only 1 gdm and 1 X process
[12:17] <Josephus> and for a few seconds i can see the cursor, the screen starts to flicker, and the whole thing just crashes
[12:17] <Josephus> and there's no error in the logs
[12:17] <scoon> stuNNed, but you said that startx works for you ?
[12:18] <stuNNed> scoon, yes, but use gdm and autologin instead of startx mostly
[12:18] <scoon> stuNNed, by the way man ps and man grep will help you figure out what I asked you to do
[12:18] <scoon> ok
[12:18] <scoon> stuNNed, try this
[12:18] <scoon> stuNNed, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:18] <scoon> stuNNed, you need to do it sudo or root
[12:19] <stuNNed> scoon, i'm in X and don't want to gdm stop it will kill X
[12:19] <Josephus> hey if these are for me, i'm not that beginner
[12:19] <scoon> stuNNed, sorry, i mis-read who wanted what
[12:20] <scoon> Josephus, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:20] <scoon> Josephus, ps aux | grep -i gdm
[12:20] <scoon> make certain that gdm is dead
[12:20] <stuNNed> scoon, that is a np :)
[12:20] <Josephus> it is
[12:20] <scoon> dead ?
[12:21] <Josephus> now yes
[12:21] <scoon> Josephus, so what happens when you do a
[12:21] <scoon> /etc/init.d/gdm start
[12:21] <Supplicium> hey, i just ordered some free ubuntu cds from the site and i was wondering if anyone knows if theres a limit to how many i can get.
[12:23] <Josephus> scoon: flickering, see the X cursor, blank screen
[12:23] <Josephus> no errormsg this time
[12:23] <Josephus> now i got the message mentioned above
[12:24] <Josephus> anyway i'm thinking that somehow gdm fails to start X properly, but i dunno how
[12:25] <Hikaru79> I've been using Hoary without problems for a few weeks now, but just now when I went into Synaptic and "Reloaded" the repositories, I got:
[12:25] <Hikaru79> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[12:25] <scoon> Josephus, did you look in the log
[12:26] <Hikaru79> Any ideas?
[12:26] <scoon> Josephus, /var/log/gdm
[12:26] <njan> I'm getting nasty inittab errors installing ubuntu off the latest warty CD..
[12:26] <njan> ..I don't suppose there's any way to install ubuntu off a knoppix CD?
[12:27] <JStrike> njan : Should be the same process as upgrading from debian. Look at the wiki
[12:28] <njan> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto :)
[12:29] <KAOS> ehlo
[12:30] <Josephus> scoon: nothing interesting, if it's an xconfig error then why 'startx' works
[12:30] <scoon> Josephus, anything strange in the logs ?
[12:30] <KAOS> on a PPC install <Dual 533 CPUs G4> i get an error at 'via82cxxx' Any thoughts?
[12:30] <scoon> Josephus, it may be a gdm error tho
[12:34] <KAOS> so noone had troubles w. a PPC install? its just me?
[12:34] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[12:34] <scoon> Josephus, is this a brand new error or have you done any apt'ing recently
[12:35] <Josephus> yeah, the whole system, as i said it was a fresh installation
[12:36] <scoon> Josephus, sorry missed that.  i was just logging in
[12:36] <scoon> Josephus, so there is nothing noted in /var/log/gdm either ?
[12:36] <root> is hoary completey fubar?
[12:36] <Josephus> no, and i'll go get some sleep, maybe continue it tomorrow
[12:36] <Josephus> thx, bye
[12:43] <KAOS> hmm.....so noone on PPC Ubuntu at the moment <G4> : got error loading to device=hda partition=2 : modprobe -v aic7xxx dies at like 2%
[12:44] <KAOS> get the "modprobe -v aic7xxx" error every which way ive tried installing so far.....
[12:49] <usual> hi
[12:52] <usual> When choosing kernel packages, do I want to choose kernel-* or linux-*
[12:54] <Cloudchaser> heya does anyone have any idea why i might not be able to make an online payment with firefox in ubuntu?
[12:54] <Cloudchaser> i used to do it with no problem with mozilla in rh9
[12:55] <Cloudchaser> i thought maybe there's some setting or something that i needed to set
[12:55] <Cloudchaser> checked cookies and popups and allowed those
[01:02] <gpled> i am trying to get ubuntu-desktop to install, but it fails because of gcalctool.  gcalctool says bad deb.  how can i fix this?
[01:03] <gpled> Unpacking gcalctool (from .../gcalctool_4.4.20-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[01:03] <gpled> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gcalctool_4.4.20-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:03] <gpled>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[01:03] <gpled> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[01:03] <gpled> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:03] <gpled>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gcalctool_4.4.20-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[01:03] <gpled> Failed to apply all changes! Scroll in this buffer to see what went wrong
[01:03] <gpled> any ideas?
[01:04] <cottonginntonix> hello everyone
[01:04] <cottonginntonix> im still having troubles installing java...LOL
[01:04] <gpled> anyone?
[01:05] <gpled> is their a way to clear out /var/cache/apt/archives/gcalctool_4.4.20-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[01:06] <scoon> cottonginntonix, what trouble ?
[01:06] <scoon> cottonginntonix, it is pretty straight forward to get going
[01:06] <Samchi> Hi, is there any known problem with fglrx and kernel 2.6.8.1-14?
[01:08] <BockBilbo> good night
[01:08] <BockBilbo> ..
[01:08] <BockBilbo> :s
[01:08] <BockBilbo> ive had a problem with ubuntu
[01:08] <BockBilbo> ive done an apt-get upgrade
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> sorry
[01:09] <moquist> BockBilbo2: have you also had a problem with Ubuntu?
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> i was saying that ive done an apt-get upgrade
[01:09] <moquist> ;)
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> yeah
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> xD
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> lol
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> see
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> the upgrade has deleted my original kernel image
[01:10] <Samchi> anyone know if there are any problems with kernel 2.6.8.1-14 Xfree and fglrx?
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> and has destroyed to the initrd image
[01:10] <Zotnix> I've noticed that Synaptic and apt-get upgrade differently.
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> adding some new entries that wont work to grub
[01:10] <farruinn> BockBilbo2: the old kernel should be right in /boot with the new one
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> now i cannot log in to ubuntu
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> farruinn, welll
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> the new one isnt there
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> though it is referenced in the new grub menu.list
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> and the old one is there
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> but the initrd image is missing
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> so it doesnt run
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> none of them boot
[01:11] <farruinn> damn
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> what has happened???
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:11] <farruinn> do you have a livecd?
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> well
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> knoppix
[01:12] <farruinn> eh, that wouldn't be so good
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> shall i download ubuntus live cd??
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> gnoppix?
[01:12] <farruinn> I was going to suggest copying the kernel on the livecd to /boot just so you could get back in and try to repair it
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> mmm
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> good idea...
[01:13] <TTilus> Zotnix: they may well resolve dependencies differently, at least apt and aptitude do
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> but... what could have happend???
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> it makes no sense at all
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:13] <TTilus> got my MythTV-to-be -box assembled but it won't boot  :-(
[01:14] <TTilus> fans buzz, but nothing else, no pic, no beep, no nothing
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> well
[01:14] <TTilus> any suggestions?
[01:14] <TTilus> is my pundit dead?
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> :(
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> well
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> farruinn, you there?
[01:16] <farruinn> BockBilbo2: I have no idea what happened
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> well
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> see
[01:16] <TTilus> *shiver*
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> i made an image of the whole linux partition 3 days ago
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> i think im gonna delete the whole partition and replace it with the image
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> it should work
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> then.... i wont do the upgrade..
[01:17] <TTilus> are socket-478 and PGA478 different?
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> but.... farruinn is it recommended to do upgrades in warty???
[01:17] <TTilus> ...could i have bought unsupported CPU  *blush*
[01:18] <Killian> anyone know if Ubuntu can fdisk a HFS+ drive on install? Cuz im havin all sorts of probs over here w. a mac install, and im just sayin fsck it....take out the whole drive
[01:19] <usual> BockBilbo, what upgrade
[01:19] <BockBilbo> usual i did an apt-get upgrade
[01:19] <BockBilbo> and it changed my kernel and my grub config
[01:19] <BockBilbo> and i cannot access to ubuntu now
[01:19] <usual> BockBilbo, using warty?
[01:19] <BockBilbo> yeah
[01:19] <usual> weird
[01:19] <BockBilbo> i dont really understand
[01:19] <BockBilbo> yes it is
[01:19] <BockBilbo> :s
[01:20] <BockBilbo> could it be a problem with universe?
[01:20] <BockBilbo> or multiuniverse?
[01:20] <TTilus> Killian: partitioning shouldt be about filesystems... mostly
[01:20] <farruinn> Killian: I don't know what modules the installer loads/has, but perhaps you need to run modprobe hfsplus
[01:20] <Killian> not partitioning....im just tryin to run 1st install
[01:21] <Killian> install-power4 didnt work
[01:21] <Killian> install didnt work
[01:21] <Killian> at this time i could care less about the data on the disk
[01:21] <TTilus> Killian: just implicated that partitioning from "fdisk"
[01:21] <Killian> i just wanna get rid of the HFS
[01:21] <BockBilbo> well
[01:21] <Killian> hfs+
[01:21] <BockBilbo> im now formating the partition and copying the image
[01:21] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:22] <farruinn> Killian: well, at the partitioning step just delete the hfs partition and you should have a huge chunk of empty space in which you can let the installer auto-configure if you wish
[01:22] <Killian> farruinn....how would i run that on a initial install...
[01:22] <BockBilbo> it will hopefully work
[01:22] <BockBilbo> S
[01:22] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:23] <Killian> i dont make it to the partitioning step...
[01:23] <Killian> it wont even load past 16%
[01:23] <Killian> :S
[01:23] <Zotnix> Mm.... GTK 2.6
[01:23] <TTilus> Killian: boot installer from CD?
[01:23] <Killian> yep TTilus
[01:23] <farruinn> Killian: what model mac?
[01:23] <Killian> Dual 533 G5
[01:23] <Killian> G4*
[01:24] <pixelmonkey_> Ubuntu needs to upgrade to gstreamer 0.8.6! :)
[01:24] <pixelmonkey_> in warty that is
[01:24] <Zotnix> WMV 9
[01:24] <Zotnix> Heh
[01:24] <pixelmonkey_> it's sitting around in Debian sid anyway... there are nasty bugs in 0.8.5 related to AAC playback (if you want it)
[01:25] <Killian> it botches on modprobe -v aic7xxx <Like 5% on install>
[01:25] <Killian> then jumps to module via82cxxx at 16% and stays there
[01:25] <Killian> cd not runnin..nothin..
[01:26] <farruinn> is this during boot or install?
[01:26] <farruinn> because if it's installing then you've already partitioned...
[01:26] <Killian> fabbioneinstall 
[01:26] <Killian> farruinn; install
[01:26] <Killian> bleh.....overly anxious and on a M$ kb atm
[01:27] <Killian> any other linux distro ive used has been able to wipe out the drive no matter what FS was on it on install....
[01:27] <Killian> this isnt even loadin up to really start install
[01:28] <sgood1971> Anyone know how to turn off the wireless radio on  my laptop? ifdown eth1 shuts down eth1, but I do not think it shuts off the radio.
[01:28] <Killian> tho ive never had HFS+....usually its been encrypted NTFS
[01:28] <Killian> and linux has ate that up easily... :S
[01:29] <Killian> sgood1971: wouldnt a "TOP" then "KILL <PID#>" for the radio work?
[01:29] <sgood1971> I don't know. I will try though.
[01:30] <Killian> as id think it'd have a process running for it somewhere
[01:30] <sgood1971> Nope, no processes for the radio as far as I can tell.
[01:31] <Killian> hmm.....not sure then...
[01:31] <Killian> ive never had to shut down eth0's before
[01:31] <sgood1971> Killian: Thanks anyway, I will just keep googleing until I get there.
[01:33] <JStrike> Ok. The the Nvidia kernel is loading now. But I am still stuck in 640x480 for some reason. Any ideas?
[01:33] <Killian> farruinn: any thoughts on what i can do w. this? was almost half tempted to try to run an fdisk thru the WIFI to wipe out the drive since i cant seem to clear it out from Root on the Mac end
[01:36] <farruinn> Killian: I actually don't fully understand what your problem is or at what point in the install process it's occurring
[01:36] <JStrike> It might have something to do with this from the log file
[01:36] <JStrike> (II) NVIDIA(0): JD177: Using default hsync range of 28.00-33.00 kHz
[01:36] <JStrike> and then
[01:37] <nyktovus> whats the difference between main restricted and universe?
[01:37] <JStrike> (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (hsync out of range)
[01:37] <JStrike> etc
[01:37] <farruinn> ubhuti: components
[01:37] <ubhuti> The Ubuntu software repository contains thousands of software packages organised into four "components", on the basis of the level of support offered, and whether or not they comply with Ubuntu's Free Software Philosophy. The components are called "main", "restricted", "universe" and "multiverse".
[01:37] <Killian> on boot: hold C for CDBoot....brings up the First screen...checking IDE1...etc...then it brings me to the BOOT: prompt where you can type "install" 'install-power4"
[01:38] <Killian> then after that...it locks at 16% on the install
[01:38] <JStrike> and
[01:38] <JStrike> (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[01:38] <nyktovus> thats great.. nice quote.. so whats the difference
[01:39] <nyktovus> they could be called "bob" "fred" "teddy" and "terd" .. and they'd make just as much sense
[01:39] <farruinn> Killian: ah, so it sounds to me like it's trying to load kernel drivers
[01:39] <farruinn> don't know the answer to that
[01:40] <farruinn> nyktovus: yeah, sorry, just reading tha now and seeing how unhepful it is
[01:40] <Killian> shiznit
[01:40] <Killian> wonder if its the Dual CPUs?
[01:40] <Killian> hell...could be anything....
[01:40] <farruinn> basically, main contains the free software supported and maintained by the Ubuntu team
[01:40] <farruinn> Killian: my guess something to do with the mobo, but that's just a very uninformed guess
[01:40] <nyktovus> ok .. so is that like "stable"
[01:41] <farruinn> nyktovus: actually, warty is like stable and hoary is unstable
[01:41] <JStrike> no. It is the supported stuff
[01:41] <farruinn> main, restricted, universe, multiverse exist in both
[01:41] <nyktovus> what the fuck? are those different repositories i never heard of?
[01:41] <farruinn> nope, *components* found on the repositories
[01:41] <nyktovus> look what happened to stable, testing and unstable?
[01:41] <nyktovus> can't i still use those?
[01:41] <farruinn> that's warty and hoary
[01:42] <farruinn> those are *releases*
[01:42] <nyktovus> uhh..
[01:42] <nyktovus> .. look lets drop the releases thing..
[01:42] <nyktovus> i'm talking about sources to download all the fuckin apps that are missing in this install
[01:42] <farruinn> nyktovus: that's not what you asked in the first place
[01:42] <farruinn> you need to enable universe
[01:43] <farruinn> that can be done by modifying /etc/apt/sources.list or through synaptic
[01:43] <nyktovus> right. so if i enable universe what does that mean?
[01:43] <nyktovus> universe is the most VAGUE term i ever heard
[01:44] <JStrike> It means you have access to all the other apps that are not supported by Ubuntu/cannonical
[01:44] <farruinn> nyktovus: look, I didn't choose the names - all of this is very easily found on the ubuntu website
[01:44] <nyktovus> no its not
[01:44] <nyktovus> i been digging around the crappy site all day.
[01:44] <macewan> nyktovus: uncomment the appropriate line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:45] <nyktovus> its "help" and support" sectioins need serious help
[01:45] <nyktovus> i know HOW to get repositories people. i dont know WHAT to comment or uncomment cause the choices of names SUCK
[01:45] <nyktovus> cause they are vague and unhelpful
[01:45] <JStrike> Dude. Get a grip
[01:46] <nyktovus> at least in debian they sya "unstable" testing" stable"
[01:46] <macewan> rescue remedy is your friend nyk
[01:46] <nyktovus> ...
[01:46] <macewan> takes the edge off
[01:46] <nyktovus> thanx man.
[01:46] <nyktovus> heheh
[01:46] <macewan> :)
[01:46] <Zotnix> You are using WARTY... if you have anything that says HOARY... you know you are using unstable.
[01:46] <Zotnix> Not very hard.
[01:46] <nyktovus> . i am using 4.10
[01:46] <farruinn> that's warty
[01:46] <nyktovus> so yes the system is stable
[01:46] <macewan> i use it at work
[01:46] <macewan> stable
[01:47] <nyktovus> but the system is lacking tons of essential apps
[01:47] <macewan> such as
[01:47] <JStrike> So. Anyone have any idea about my Resolution problem?
[01:47] <farruinn> btw, the components are described at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[01:47] <nyktovus> so i want to install,, using synaptic
[01:47] <macewan> what app?
[01:48] <macewan> have you been to ubuntuguide.org?
[01:48] <nyktovus> THAT was helpful
[01:48] <macewan> quite helpful
[01:48] <macewan> which app are you looking to install
[01:48] <nyktovus> xmms, sshd, proftpd, and netatalk
[01:48] <nyktovus> maybe more
[01:48] <farruinn> nyktovus: for ssh apt-get install openssh-server
[01:49] <nyktovus> i tried, its not on the cd
[01:49] <farruinn> xmms and netatalk are in universe
[01:49] <nyktovus> why cant i just use debians packages?
[01:49] <farruinn> erm, you don't have online repositories enabled?
[01:49] <nyktovus> why did ubuntu make it all confusing
[01:49] <macewan> are you drinking?
[01:49] <farruinn> do you know how to use debian?
[01:49] <nyktovus> not really
[01:49] <nyktovus> but i was learnign
[01:50] <macewan> sorry, that was uncalled for on my part
[01:50] <nyktovus> i'm not drunk, just really stupid
[01:50] <farruinn> ubuntu is *extremely* similar to debian - it does use deb packages
[01:50] <farruinn> you get them with either synaptic or apt
[01:50] <farruinn> (don't know if you know this already or not)
[01:50] <nyktovus> and why does totem fail to play any mpg movies?
[01:51] <JStrike> It seems to be an issue with my Monitor. Don't know why this issue would suddenly crop up
[01:51] <nyktovus> ok well synaptic is my choice
[01:51] <farruinn> nyktovus: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:51] <JStrike> nyktovus : Ubuntu doesn't ship with support for restricted formats
[01:51] <nyktovus> holy crap
[01:51] <nyktovus> thats GAY
[01:51] <JStrike> What?\
[01:52] <Zotnix> Lots of distros don't
[01:52] <farruinn> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/philosophy
[01:52] <nyktovus> wwell chrsit how can we make this OS actually worthwhile?
[01:52] <Zotnix> you can get the formats easily.
[01:52] <nyktovus> how?
[01:52] <JStrike> What are you going on about?
[01:52] <macewan> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:52] <Zotnix> He just sent you a link
[01:53] <Zotnix> RTFG
[01:53] <macewan> not very ubunt of you
[01:53] <macewan> ;)
[01:53] <Zotnix> I came from Slackware ;)
[01:53] <alka_trash> damn, my roommate decided to install Linux, so I handed him the Latest Ubuntu cd and then he goes and installs Redhat and he's now frustrated.
[01:54] <farruinn> heh, serves him right
[01:54] <farruinn> :D
[01:54] <alka_trash> I was trying to help him, now he is back in windows xp again
[01:54] <macewan> give him a warm milk. he'll be alright
[01:55] <Zotnix> I went from Windows ME to RH8 on my laptop
[01:55] <Zotnix> Liked it a lot.
[01:55] <farruinn> wow, I seriously could not handle all that negativity coming from nyktovus
[01:55] <Killian> anythings better than winME....cept perhaps Win 1.0
[01:55] <Zotnix> Well WinME I owe to me discovering Linux anyways.
[01:55] <Zotnix> Have used it ever since.
[01:55] <JStrike> Argh. 640x480 is killing me
[01:55] <macewan> haven't used win since '95 or so
[01:55] <Zotnix> So... been using Linux since March of 2003
[01:56] <alka_trash> wow
[01:56] <alka_trash> it
[01:56] <alka_trash> it's been a couple of years here too
[01:56] <Zotnix> I learned it slowly... remember compiling my first package.
[01:56] <Zotnix> brings a tear to my eye.
[01:56] <Zotnix> Dependency hell with RPMs...
[01:56] <alka_trash> yep
[01:56] <alka_trash> I remember that,
[01:56] <farruinn> heh, me to but only because it took so damn long on my 233MHz machine!
[01:57] <alka_trash> I then settled down with slack
[01:57] <JStrike> Any X experts in here?
[01:57] <alka_trash> I guess not, what's your issue
[01:57] <Killian> i like slack....probly my fav. distro ive used outta the 4 i have used
[01:58] <alka_trash> Killian: it's a great distro
[01:58] <Zotnix> I've used RH8, RH9, FC3, Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, Ubuntu, and Mandrake.
[01:58] <JStrike> alka_trash : I am stuck in 640x480 in Hoary atm
[01:58] <Zotnix> Slack I loved the boot scripts.
[01:58] <Zotnix> The layout of that.
[01:58] <Zotnix> but I'm liking Ubuntu.
[01:58] <JStrike> alka_trash : I suspect it has taken a dislike to my monitor
[01:58] <alka_trash> JStrike: check your config file :
[01:59] <zenwhen> Zotnix, I switched from slack too.
[01:59] <JStrike> alka_trash : Nothing has changed
[01:59] <Zotnix> Well my list distro was Gentoo
[01:59] <zenwhen> I've taken to tosiing all my needed stuff in bootmisc.sh
[01:59] <Zotnix> Got tired of compiling... though i loved the repositories... so huge.
[01:59] <zenwhen> lol
[01:59] <Zotnix> last*
[01:59] <Zotnix> Ubuntu comes close enough
[02:00] <zenwhen> If ubuntu doesnt't have it, debian usually does
[02:00] <zenwhen> doesn't*
[02:00] <Zotnix> Mandrake.. LOVED the ease of use. Didn't have to struggle with Samba
[02:00] <alka_trash> JStrike: open command prompt, log in as root,
[02:01] <alka_trash> JStrike: did you get that far yet
[02:01] <JStrike> alka_trash : Well, I dont have root. Will run whatever you say as sudo
[02:01] <alka_trash> JStrike: yep that's ti
[02:02] <alka_trash> JStrike: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:02] <JStrike> ok
[02:03] <JStrike> alka_trash : done
[02:10] <JStrike> alka_trash : You still there?
[02:12] <alka_trash> JStrike: sorry, helping my buddy
[02:13] <odo> ok, now I
[02:13] <odo> 'm impressed
[02:13] <JStrike> alka_trash : np
[02:14] <odo> just installed ubuntu to my laptop...this is really the first distro where touchpad, wlan and  perverted soundchip work out-of-the box... :)
[02:14] <tritium> JStrike, did you get the latest kernel installed yet?
[02:14] <alka_trash> look in that config file for horizontal and vertical settings
[02:18] <JStrike> tritium : yep
[02:19] <JStrike> alka_trash : I have them. For which depth are you talking about?
[02:20] <alka_trash> what's the highest setting on those
[02:20] <alka_trash> 1024x768?
[02:20] <JStrike> alka_trash: 1280x1024
[02:20] <alka_trash> kewl
[02:20] <JStrike> Which is what I used to run it in
[02:20] <alka_trash> right above that do you notice the section monitor
[02:21] <JStrike> alka_trash : yes
[02:22] <tiago_> hi there, how can I load a subtitle on totem-xine?
[02:22] <alka_trash> is there anything for HorizSync
[02:22] <JStrike> Nope
[02:22] <tritium> JStrike, so is Xorg working with your nVidia now?
[02:22] <JStrike> Just Identifier and Option
[02:22] <JStrike> tritium : Yes. But only in 640x480
[02:22] <JStrike> tritium : Thanks for the heads up btw
[02:22] <tritium> looks like it's just a matter of configuring your monitor?
[02:23] <tritium> JStrike, no problem.
[02:23] <tiago_> I can't load this subtitle... it not enables this option from menu
[02:25] <JStrike> alka_trash : Must I add something in for HorizSync
[02:26] <lil_anthony> question: what file is edited to start different window managers? cause for some reason i no longer get the session menu when i start ubuntu :(
[02:26] <lil_anthony> it automatically goes to gnome :(
[02:26] <farruinn> lil_anthony: running warty?
[02:27] <lil_anthony> yes
[02:27] <farruinn> ok, check Computer>System Configuration>Login Screen Options
[02:27] <farruinn> er, setup rather
[02:27] <tiago_> anybody could help me?
[02:29] <lil_anthony> ok far i'm seeing this but not getting it cause it appears to have the right window that i want but i never get that when i try reboot
[02:29] <lil_anthony> i just get a screen says debian and login password
[02:29] <farruinn> lil_anthony: oh, from what you had said before it sounded like you had automatic login enabled
[02:30] <lil_anthony> sorry
[02:30] <lil_anthony> no it starts gnome when i login but i personally hate gnome and want to use fluxbox instead
[02:30] <farruinn> lil_anthony: have you installed flux?  last I knew it wasn't in warty
[02:30] <lil_anthony> not sure what i changed though but i no longer get the session options
[02:30] <lil_anthony> yes
[02:31] <lil_anthony> i installed it
[02:31] <farruinn> aaah, from debian sources?
[02:31] <lil_anthony> been running it for a whilie
[02:31] <lil_anthony> i believe so
[02:31] <lil_anthony> if i recall i did a apt-get install fluxbox
[02:31] <farruinn> sounds to me like gdm has been pulled in fromt he debian repos to
[02:31] <farruinn> too*
[02:32] <lil_anthony> well i installed xdm
[02:32] <farruinn> oh, hmm, I haven't used xdm for ages...
[02:32] <IamMooooo> can anyone help me with an install, the install is hanging at loading components 34% "retrieving nic-extra-modules-2.6.8.1-386-dI"
[02:32] <lil_anthony> well all i want is NO GNOME
[02:32] <lil_anthony> and run flux
[02:33] <lil_anthony> gnome makes my old system run slow as crap
[02:33] <IamMooooo> annnnyone know?
[02:34] <lil_anthony> what file is that tdm & in i changed it to fluxbox &
[02:34] <lil_anthony> i can't remember the file though
[02:34] <lil_anthony> i thought it was .xsession
[02:35] <^SilenT^> .xinitrc perhaps
[02:35] <lil_anthony> let me try
[02:35] <JStrike> Shouldn't Xorg retrieve my HorizSync from my monitor identifier
[02:35] <scoon> lil_anthony, gdm uses ~/.xsession
[02:35] <farruinn> scoon: lil_anthony is using xdm
[02:36] <lil_anthony> ok this is totally confusing me :(
[02:36] <lil_anthony> dang i changed this crap last night trying to get vnc to work
[02:37] <tritium> JStrike, I haven't been following too carefully.  Did you try the Option "UseEdidFreqs" "true"
[02:37] <tritium> ?
[02:38] <farruinn> lil_anthony: I think you're right - ~/.xsession
[02:38] <lil_anthony> well that file doesn't exit
[02:38] <farruinn> try creating it and just putting fluxbox& in it
[02:39] <farruinn> ^SilenT^: does that sound right?
[02:39] <lil_anthony> then restart X?
[02:39] <farruinn> yeah
[02:39] <^SilenT^> farruinn, Could be. man xdm might be usefull :)
[02:39] <farruinn> that's what I've been reading :)
[02:39] <^SilenT^> =)
[02:39] <JStrike> tritium : No. Should I?
[02:39] <tritium> You could...
[02:39] <lil_anthony> so xdm ?
[02:39] <lil_anthony> or just make the file
[02:40] <IamMooooo> can anyone help me with an install, the install is hanging at loading components 34% "retrieving nic-extra-modules-2.6.8.1-386-dI"
[02:40] <Quest-Master> I want to find a cheap iBook
[02:40] <tritium> JStrike, be sure you've read through /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
[02:40] <Quest-Master> So stylish and cool.
[02:40] <^SilenT^> Quest-Master, :)
[02:40] <JStrike> tritium : I am still not understanding why this would suddenly happen
[02:41] <lil_anthony> ok i made .xsession
[02:41] <tritium> not sure...
[02:41] <lil_anthony> put fluxbox & in there
[02:41] <lil_anthony> and chmod 600 the file
[02:41] <lil_anthony> let me restart x and se what else i can screw up :)
[02:41] <farruinn> hehe, good luck =)
[02:42] <tritium> JStrike, I've got to step away for a while...I'll be back later.
[02:50] <Kirsch> what's a good CD Burning program to make a Music CD from MP3s?
[02:50] <snerfu> k3b
[02:57] <Hikaru79> What's a good C++ IDE besides Eclipse?
[02:57] <StevenR> where do ubuntu cd's get shipped from?
[02:58] <xevil> mine came from Sweden, if I remember correctly
[02:59] <mike998> hmmm when trying to start quake 2 installed from synaptic and from my windows CD, I am getting an error LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory
[02:59] <mike998> I have other stuff (lsdldoom and RTCW) running
[02:59] <mike998> does anyone know what this .so is and where I can get it?
[03:00] <gpled> when installing, could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com . is that normal?
[03:01] <StevenR> xevil: thanks
[03:01] <Hikaru79> gpled, no :| It means that computer is having problems connecting to the internet
[03:01] <Hikaru79> Was it able to complete installation?
[03:01] <xevil> StevenR: n/p
[03:02] <xevil> StevenR: it took several months to get them... I had almost forgotten about it
[03:03] <StevenR> xevil: i got mine a couple of days ago :)
[03:03] <xevil> StevenR: easy install, huh?
[03:03] <sub_pop> has anyone experimented with Gmail's POP? how does it behave with labels?
[03:04] <StevenR> xevil: only played with live cd so far, need to fit my other harddisk to install it
[03:04] <gpled> Hikaru79: it tried about 3 times, then moved to something like security.ubuntu.com.  also, I could ping archive.ubuntu.com from tty2
[03:04] <Hikaru79> o_O Hmm
[03:04] <Hikaru79> So it *did* have a connection to the internet that worked?
[03:05] <xevil> StevenR: it was the most painless Linux install I've done... less than an hour and everything worked
[03:05] <gpled> Hikaru79: yep.  i aslo pinged www.google.com
[03:05] <gpled> also
[03:05] <StevenR> xevil: cool :)
[03:05] <Hikaru79> Oh, in that case, it was probably just a problem on Ubuntu's side
[03:05] <Hikaru79> That's very rare, but it does happen
[03:05] <Hikaru79> Try again in a few hours
[03:05] <Hikaru79> Should be fine... I think
[03:05] <Hikaru79> I see no reason why it would be able to connect to everything *but* Ubuntu's repositories...
[03:06] <mike998> strange thing is, I can run quake 2 using wine, but I get no sound... Google looks like it's a problem with maybe a Joystick(?) but I don't have one and I've tried using the set_joystick 0 switch and am getting nothing
[03:07] <Hikaru79> Heh
[03:07] <Hikaru79> I've always found it very wierd that Joysticks plug into the sound card >_>
[03:08] <mike998> *sigh*
[03:08] <gpled> Hikaru79: it was trying for a path within the site. so i figured they had renamed a file or something.
[03:08] <mike998> so much for wanting to run quake 2
[03:08] <Hikaru79> It would've given a different error than 'cannot connect'... I would think
[03:09] <gpled> has anyone had trouble installing gcalctool?
[03:09] <douglas> is there a kget like app for gnome ?
[03:10] <gpled> douglas: is that like wget?
[03:10] <douglas> nope
[03:11] <Hikaru79> Still getting "W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907" when trying to reload the Synaptic repositories ;_;
[03:12] <douglas> is a downloader mananger
[03:21] <StevenR> well ubuntu live cd works from qemu, if anyone's interested
[03:28] <StevenR> meet my alter distro StevenR_Ubuntu
[03:30] <nyktovus> ok so how do you set xmms to be your preferred mp3 player?
[03:30] <nyktovus> i found the "preferred applications" panel.. but its only for web browswers and text
[03:34] <oh8gdv> can someone help me a bit with hoary? Im
[03:34] <nyktovus> anyone?
[03:34] <oh8gdv> I'm having some trouble with utf-8 :)
[03:34] <oh8gdv> it seems to be the default
[03:35] <StevenR> I have a quick install question... If i put the install cd in, how long would it take me to get to the point where I could just leave it cd crunching? (pretty experienced user)
[03:35] <snerfu> the install in itself is pretty short
[03:36] <oh8gdv> StevenR: how long does it take to partition for you?
[03:36] <snerfu> maybe 5 minutes to get to the package install section
[03:36] <oh8gdv> and select the country
[03:36] <StevenR> oh8gdv: it would take me about 3mins with something like cfdisk
[03:36] <oh8gdv> StevenR: and it's not too long a process, probably you can get a coffee while it's installing
[03:36] <oh8gdv> StevenR: not like windows, spending the whole evening just waiting
[03:36] <StevenR> this is a fast box, 1830mhz athlon
[03:37] <oh8gdv> 
[03:37] <oh8gdv> I don't like utf-8 :)
[03:37] <StevenR> i'll only have one partition on this experiementation install
[03:37] <StevenR> and swap, so actually 2
[03:37] <oh8gdv> but if someone (developer, perhaps?) tells me it's going to be forced anyways with the next release.. I might consider
[03:38] <nyktovus> anyone know how i can set the preffered programs to be used to access certain file types
[03:38] <StevenR> thanks folks
[03:38] <oh8gdv> nyktovus: you can set text editor and terminal quite easily, if that's what you're looking for. other than that, I haven't used gnome enough to say
[03:39] <nyktovus> i'm looking to set the preferred apps for mp3s
[03:40] <bam> nyktovus, right click on an mp3 file and select properties
[03:40] <bam> it will let you set it there
[03:40] <bam> from like the fourth tab of the properties screen
[03:41] <oh8gdv> hmh. so I guess everyone uses the stable release here? I'm going to need a bit more bleeding-edge than that. hoary seems really nice, other than UTF8.
[03:42] <oh8gdv> though I could understand if it was being forced
[03:42] <AndyFitz> hey doesnt     chmod user * -R work on hidden files ?
[03:42] <bam> what are you looking for that's newer than in warty?
[03:42] <oh8gdv> bam: x.org
[03:42] <AndyFitz> how can you get it to affect them
[03:42] <bam> ahh
[03:42] <En3rgy> question on installing ubuntu..
[03:42] <oh8gdv> bam: my radeon works soo much better under x.org
[03:42] <nyktovus> nope
[03:42] <bam> can't you set the apt-get sources file like you can in debian
[03:42] <nyktovus> didnt werk
[03:43] <nyktovus> it only opened it that once in that app
[03:43] <oh8gdv> bam: mixing different versions in debian sucks. I don't think there's x.org for warty
[03:43] <oh8gdv> I could be wrong, though
[03:43] <nyktovus> and there was only 2 tabs in properties
[03:43] <En3rgy> my laptop got stuck at or after the ling "Setting up gstreamer0.8-gsm"
[03:43] <nyktovus> woah! i lied
[03:44] <bam> really?  i get five tabs from properties when i right click on a file
[03:44] <bam> and the fourth is 'open with'
[03:44] <nyktovus> whats totem good for it doesnt seem to play anything
[03:44] <oh8gdv> bam: I know it's not the best idea to expect any help with not-released version, but it was my choice. so far so good.
[03:45] <oh8gdv> I guess I'll have to read the source
[03:45] <bam> naw, i'm not saying anything bad about it, was just curious
[03:45] <oh8gdv> unless you can tell me how to disable utf-8?
[03:45] <En3rgy> have any of u guys tried installing ubuntu on a dell laptop?
[03:45] <oh8gdv> En3rgy: not dell, but fujitsu-siemens.
[03:46] <bam> nyktovus, i switched to xine for video.  i couldn't get totem to stream over smb
[03:46] <snerfu> En3rgy, I have an inspiron 8100
[03:46] <En3rgy> i'm using a inspiron 9200
[03:46] <En3rgy> can't install tho.
[03:46] <nyktovus> where do apps exssit
[03:46] <bam> En3rgy, i'm running it on a dell inspiron 3800 right now
[03:46] <snerfu> En3rgy, errors on packages?
[03:46] <En3rgy> error when installing
[03:46] <En3rgy> got stuck while setting up packages.
[03:47] <snerfu> just keep rerunning that package installer
[03:47] <nyktovus> in mozilla i get an "open with" dialog
[03:47] <snerfu> it will eventually get everything
[03:47] <nyktovus> where can i find xmms
[03:47] <En3rgy> that's in my install phase tho.
[03:47] <nyktovus> ???
[03:47] <En3rgy> how do i do that.
[03:47] <snerfu> happened to me alot
[03:47] <En3rgy> they got stuck at the same point for hte last 3 times i've tried..
[03:47] <snerfu> it will drop you back to the package install option, and when you choose it again all the stuff you already installed is cached
[03:48] <bam> nyktovus, you gotta enable the the "universe" level packages in synaptic to see xmms... if that's what you mean
[03:48] <En3rgy> how? after restart?
[03:48] <nyktovus> no i have it installed already
[03:48] <nyktovus> i just dont know where to find the app itself
[03:48] <nyktovus> is it in /etc? /sbin?
[03:48] <bam> Ohmer, you already install the package/
[03:48] <nyktovus> where?
[03:48] <bam> ya
[03:48] <bam> /usr/bin/xmms i think
[03:48] <macewan> multimedia
[03:48] <macewan> applications > multimedia
[03:49] <En3rgy> snerfu, how do i get back to that package option page?
[03:49] <bam> after i installed xmms (and xine), i didn't see the items in the multimedia menu until after rebooting
[03:49] <En3rgy> i'm still at the second part of installing ubuntu
[03:49] <snerfu> When it errors out one of the options brings you back to the main install screen
[03:49] <macewan> bam: kill the gnome panel
[03:49] <En3rgy> well, it just got stuck, nothing came out.
[03:50] <bam> yam, it was fine, was just letting nyktovus know
[03:50] <nyktovus> no i need the actual location
[03:50] <bam> s/yam/yah/
[03:50] <nyktovus> not its stupid menu placement
[03:50] <bam> /usr/bin/xmms
[03:50] <macewan> which xmms > /usr/bin/xmms
[03:50] <nyktovus> dude YOU RULE!
[03:50] <nyktovus> bam is the man
[03:50] <nyktovus> WOOT Woot!
[03:51] <nyktovus> so whats a good mpg player?
[03:51] <nyktovus> or how do i make totem play anything?
[03:51] <En3rgy> totem
[03:51] <bam> nyktovus, xine has worked out best for me so far, for video
[03:51] <nyktovus> is there a way to make totem play things?
[03:51] <En3rgy> nyktovus, i love totem!!1
[03:52] <nyktovus> cause i already got it
[03:52] <En3rgy> nyktovus, yes
[03:52] <bam> i had to switch from totem to xine in ubuntu
[03:52] <snerfu> En3rgy, sorry to hear about that, I struggled through it on my laptop too
[03:52] <makaveli> wenever i try to partition with ubuntu i get an error that says "the attempt to mount a file system with type ext2 in IDE2 master, partition #2 () at / failed" can anybody help me i've been looking for the past two days to try to figure out the problem and can't find the answer ne ware
[03:52] <nyktovus> totem seems cool , i agree, but at the moment it blows.
[03:52] <nyktovus> it doesnt play anyting but with itself
[03:52] <bam> yam, i was getting a lot of errors with it
[03:53] <nyktovus> and frankly i'd rather do that myself then watch all these lame errors for its lack of capability
[03:53] <mike998> umm
[03:53] <makaveli> i've tried every filesystem in the manual config and they all give me the same error
[03:54] <bam> makaveli, is that a partition that ubuntu created?  or was it pre-existing?
[03:54] <makaveli> ubuntu is trying to creat it yes
[03:54] <makaveli> but i get that error every time
[03:55] <bam> i tried like six or seven distro's desktops last weekend, and i remember running across that exact error, but i don't remember why, and i don't think it was ubuntu :(
[03:55] <En3rgy> one more question while installing on my laptop, it doesn't detect my NIC, only my wireless.. and since i don't have a wireless access, can i manually force ubuntu to get the other one?
[03:55] <macewan> nyk: have you enabled multiverse?
[03:55] <makaveli> well do u know how i would fix it
[03:56] <nyktovus> no
[03:56] <nyktovus> what does it matter
[03:56] <nyktovus> do i need to install more?
[03:56] <nyktovus> whats a good all around mpg, divx, wmv player?
[03:56] <bam> makaveli, i don't off the top of my head
[03:56] <nyktovus> vlc?
[03:56] <bam> nyktovus, xine
[03:56] <macewan> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/
[03:56] <makaveli> bam, so then what would u suggest me to do
[03:57] <bam> although i don't think it will play wmv
[03:57] <makaveli> what is wmv
[03:57] <nyktovus> otem could not play 'file:///home/nyktovus/www.funnyjunk.com_water_balloon_fun.wmv'.
[03:57] <nyktovus> Failed to open; reason unknown
[03:57] <bam> makaveli, dunno, i'm thinking on it, but not sure
[03:57] <bam> makaveli, windows media file
[03:57] <makaveli> ok
[03:57] <nyktovus> will xine play dvds'?
[03:58] <bam> nyktovus, i'm not sure if any of them can handle the windows wmv codec  (but i'm not an expert on the subject)
[03:58] <nyktovus> wah??
[03:58] <makaveli> bam, i can use fdisk in gentoo and that works fine but this partitioning thing won't work no matter what
[03:58] <bam> not sure about dvds
[03:58] <makaveli> i don't know where else to look to get this problem solved it is all over the forums and nobody has replies that say how to fix it
[03:59] <En3rgy> nyktovus, i don't remember what's the name of the package, but there's a package with all the windows video encoders
[04:00] <macewan> nyk: libdvdcss2
[04:00] <bam> he already bolted :(
[04:00] <macewan> totem-xine also
[04:00] <QM[FMA] > nyktovus, sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[04:01] <En3rgy> oop..
[04:01] <bam> too impatient :)
[04:01] <macewan> if he'd only read the howtos & guides
[04:01] <En3rgy> any step by step booting for ubuntu?
[04:01] <macewan> booting?
[04:01] <macewan> or installing
[04:05] <makaveli> hey what's the command to partition without the installer interface to do it from the command line
[04:05] <socomm> qparted?
[04:06] <lexhider> is lilo not available for ubuntu?
[04:06] <En3rgy> installing.
[04:06] <socomm> lexhider: Yes.
[04:06] <socomm> lexhider: Lilo is available via apt-get.
[04:07] <En3rgy> does anyone know how to force ubuntu to choose my NIC card instead of my WAN card during the "detect network hardware" section??
[04:08] <lexhider> apt-cache search lilo | grep ^lilo
[04:08] <lexhider> give nothing
[04:09] <socomm> You need to enable the multiverse.
[04:09] <lexhider> socomm: thanks, has lilo had some kind of license change I'm unaware of.
[04:10] <socomm> lexhider: No, the Ubuntu developers seem to prefer grub over lilo.
[04:10] <farruinn> umm... I dont' see lilo in multiverse on archive.ubuntu.com
[04:10] <socomm> Multiverse, Universe one of those two.
[04:10] <lexhider> I don't particularly want lilo, I'm just having troubles getting winXP to boot with grub and I thought I'd try and see if lilo would work.
[04:11] <farruinn> eh, I dunno, I don't see it in universe either so I must be looking for the wrong thing
[04:12] <rageear> hey everyone
[04:12] <lexhider> unless I'm doing something really wrong, lilo isn't in universe/main/multiverse!
[04:13] <socomm> apt-get update
[04:14] <socomm> Grub should really have no problems booting into Xp.
[04:14] <punkrockguy318> is there a way to read /var/mail/ besides cat?
[04:15] <rageear> is it possible to see the contents of a disk before the install?
[04:15] <lexhider> socomm: I'm getting "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7"
[04:15] <socomm> What sorta disk?
[04:15] <rageear> i've got three disks in an old server and i don't want to erase any important data
[04:15] <rageear> hard drive = disk
[04:15] <DonL> Anyone know how to hook up an old Roland synth to a computer running Ubuntu and SBLive?
[04:16] <DonL> ..and what sequencers work well?
[04:16] <Quest-Master> DonL: Lot's of good sequencers.
[04:16] <socomm> rageear: How about mounting them via a Live-CD?
[04:16] <Quest-Master> DonL: Check http://www.gnome-apps.org/ and under Multimedia/
[04:16] <DonL> I've seen some KDE specific ones
[04:16] <rageear> oooh....thats a good idea
[04:16] <DonL> Quest-Master, thanks I'll go there.
[04:17] <Quest-Master> DonL: Some to check are BEAST, SWAMI, and Rosegarden Music (you can find this one at www.rosegardenmusic.com -- fabulous software piece)
[04:17] <Quest-Master> No problem.
[04:17] <DonL> I had it hooked up years ago to an Atari
[04:17] <rageear> i can do that, but i've got an install disk already...any way to do it with just the install disc?
[04:19] <scoon> anyone have any trouble with the warty samba upgrade
[04:19] <DonL> I was looking at the Rosegarden one, but I didn't really want to install KDE libraries
[04:19] <scoon> when i restart the service log.smbd show it crashing cuz of an internal err
[04:19] <DonL> After years of KDE I thought I'd give myself a break and see if I could go it alone with Gnome
[04:19] <farruinn> DonL: I think in this case it's worth it
[04:20] <DonL> farruinn,  I'll take that into consideration!
[04:20] <farruinn> DonL: the default qt theme is UGLY, but if you get the kcontrol package or something like that you can change the theme
[04:20] <Quest-Master> DonL: Gnome > KDE, but KDE apps > Gnome apps overall sadly.
[04:20] <lexhider> Here's my drama, just installed Ubuntu and want to boot XP, commented out windows bit in menu.lst (yes XP partition is hda1) and I get: "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" if I try to boot it.
[04:20] <lexhider> Is there a solution or is lilo available.
[04:22] <wm_eddie> Hey, is there a way I can mount an NTFS partition RW?
[04:22] <scoon> samba anyone ?
[04:22] <DonL> lexhider, in the past I've always installed windows first. I don't think it likes linux partitions
[04:22] <lexhider> DonL: windows was installed 1st.
[04:22] <DonL> ahh
[04:22] <wm_eddie> Windows's setup doesn't even concider that you have another OS installed.
[04:23] <DonL> wm_eddie, yeah. That's true
[04:23] <wm_eddie> Damn, I don't think RW NTFS support is even in the Ubuntu kernel...
[04:23] <DonL> It's been a long time since I dual booted though
[04:24] <wm_eddie> DonL: I've always had bad luck dual-booting... so I have two harddrives :)
[04:24] <lexhider> wm_eddie: there's no mature rw support for ntfs, fat32 does have it though.
[04:24] <DonL> me too. But I have a Linux distro on both
[04:24] <wm_eddie> lexhider: Damn, but Mandrake had it....
[04:24] <wm_eddie> my roommate is going to be pissed....
[04:25] <DonL> If mandrake had it, it must be available to us
[04:25] <wm_eddie> DonL: I'm not sure if it's experimental or not (NTFS RW support)
[04:25] <DonL> Could be, wm_eddie
[04:26] <farruinn> if mandrake had it we'd have it, but since we don't have it mandrake didn't have it =)
[04:26] <farruinn> probably was experimental
[04:26] <DonL> This is only week one with Ubuntu, for me, and I must say I'm lovin' it
[04:26] <DonL> After three years of Mandrake and one of Fedora
[04:26] <wm_eddie> I'm loving it too... but it's lacking on some really little things...
[04:27] <wm_eddie> I can't wait for Hoary
[04:27] <farruinn> yes, hoary will be nice
[04:27] <DonL> I've found the unofficial faq pages extremely informative.
[04:28] <DonL> and the extra repositories
[04:28] <burnez> moin!
[04:28] <DonL> less
[04:28] <lexhider> as far as I can tell, it appears there are no lilo debs for amd64-ubuntu
[04:29] <burnez> does anybody know this message "sudo: unable to lookup  via gethostbyname()
[04:29] <burnez> "
[04:29] <jonmasters> what is saying that?
[04:29] <DonL> no, sorry, bur
[04:29] <burnez> my gnome-desktop starts with a message that it would not run propperly because of the above
[04:30] <burnez> the bash, e.g. when i try to do apt-get update or somethin else
[04:30] <jonmasters> somewhere there's a missing hostname - what did you change?
[04:30] <burnez> nothing, i tried to set up an dsl-connection
[04:31] <DonL> during or after the install?
[04:31] <burnez> after the install.
[04:31] <jonmasters> Can you tell us what you did?
[04:32] <burnez> i started sudo ppoeconf and then i set up a connection.
[04:32] <burnez> pppoeconf
[04:32] <burnez> sorry
[04:32] <En3rgy> hey guys, any net install for ubuntu?
[04:32] <wm_eddie> burnez: you didn't tell the dsl-configuration program to set your computer's hostname according to the remote hostname or something... did you?
[04:32] <DonL> I'll have to ask here, because I don't know with this distro. Can you do a mock install after the fact so these things are picked up automatically?
[04:32] <burnez> hmm... difficult to say, germany here
[04:33] <burnez> one moment, plz
[04:34] <DonL> I was hooked up to ADSL when I did the install, and everything worked after. I didn't have to do anything
[04:34] <burnez> do you mean the ip of the dns-server?
[04:34] <jonmasters> night.
[04:35] <jonmasters> [gone] 
[04:35] <socomm> burnez: Does your ISP offer pppoe?
[04:35] <burnez> yes
[04:35] <punkrockguy318> why are home directorys default a+rx permissions??
[04:35] <socomm> Did you set your hostname in /etc/hosts?
[04:35] <burnez> i used to use kanotix and everything worked this way
[04:36] <burnez> nop, one moment, will have a look
[04:36] <burnez> "127.0.0.1 localhost DeBiAn-BoX localhost.localdomain
[04:36] <burnez> "
[04:37] <burnez> that's all
[04:37] <burnez> i really do not have a clue... :(
[04:37] <socomm> 127.0.0.1       localhost.localdomain   localhost       eden
[04:37] <DonL> I'm off for now. Thanks for the help and the chat. Much friendlier in here than in other places I've been
[04:38] <socomm> That's what my /etc/hosts looks like.
[04:38] <socomm> Perhaps you've got your entries out of order.
[04:38] <burnez> hmm
[04:39] <burnez> but i did not do anything.. well at leat i must have told ubuntu to set the computer's name to debian-box
[04:39] <socomm> Yes.
[04:39] <burnez> 'k and now?
[04:39] <socomm> Run sudo pppoeconf.
[04:40] <burnez> i did - several times.
[04:40] <tavon> hello everybody~ I just got ubuntu installed and configured~
[04:40] <burnez> will do again......
[04:40] <socomm> Also try checking your wiring it may be loose.
[04:41] <burnez> no, i am online with ubuntu at the moment
[04:41] <tavon> is there a repository that has eclipse?
[04:41] <burnez> what is this gethostbyname?
[04:42] <socomm> burnez: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man3/gethostbyname.3.html
[04:43] <burnez> thx, will have a look
[04:43] <burnez> do i need: network-admin
[04:46] <burnez> guyz, it's getting late... thank you for your kindness. i will be back tomorrow, i guess..
[04:46] <burnez> thank you very much for the help so far!
[04:48] <farruinn> anyone know if there are any afp clients for linux?
[04:49] <farruinn> there's the server software, netatalk, but it doesn't look like that allows you to connect to a server
[05:08] <nictuku> is it planned to add preseed support into ubuntu's d-i?
[05:09] <Garathor> ....I am SO drunk.
[05:21] <neighborlee> I hope future versions of ubuntu dont assume wrongly that everyone has dsl/cable connections....( I presume thats the case because not even setserial or wvdial installs during default setup!!)
[05:22] <nictuku> really? I installed it today and I'm almost sure I saw it installing wvdial.
[05:22] <neighborlee> was trying to setup my friend with ubuntu and i'm screwed without being able to get to the internet
[05:23] <neighborlee> nope
[05:23] <neighborlee> I had to install it manually by connecting to internet via windows and downloading it to his thumb drive then back over to ubuntu
[05:23] <neighborlee> which was ok if not slopppy
[05:23] <neighborlee> but the main problem is that I guesss linux overall (  maybe just ubuntu I have NO idea  for sure ) is REally bad at 56 modem setup
[05:24] <neighborlee> one is a winmodem and while I thought id heard support for them is getting better..I didn't expect it to work period
[05:25] <nictuku> blame your hardware vendor :)
[05:25] <neighborlee> but the other two are seemingly well known modems that i'm surprised weren't detecting/setup better..one is intel with hayes chipset and the other is blaster modem with rockwell chipset I think..either way we need setserial apparantly to force it to setup right in linux ;(
[05:26] <neighborlee> no its not them entirely...its pretty lame when not even setserial */or wvdial is NOT part of a default linux install
[05:26] <neighborlee> one wonders how many 56k users have been turned off linux due to this problem
[05:27] <neighborlee> yes I went to brag on ubuntu and I"m slightly embarrased FOR it
[05:27] <neighborlee> even though im having no problems because I have dsl ...
[05:28] <neighborlee> not to mention I was getting a weird s cript error running network-admin for which I had to totally reinstall to fix
[05:28] <nictuku> you should also ask how many gigabytes one would have to fit in a CD to make everyone happy with a single cd distribution.
[05:28] <nictuku> file a bug then.
[05:28] <neighborlee> that is not the point nic
[05:28] <neighborlee> I will
[05:28] <neighborlee> trust me I will
[05:28] <nictuku> I believe you.
[05:29] <neighborlee> the point is why does linux assume no one is using 56k modems ?
[05:29] <nictuku> about the dial up, I somewhat agree with you, since I am a dial up user.
[05:29] <neighborlee> yeah ...
[05:29] <farruinn> neighborlee: we have to keep in mind that this was the first release of this distro in in a word it is _amazing_
[05:29] <neighborlee> I dont understand the rational
[05:30] <farruinn> think about it, it will only get _better_ in the future
[05:30] <neighborlee> farruinn, I def. can't disagree with that6
[05:30] <neighborlee> that
[05:30] <nictuku> ubuntu is great.
[05:30] <neighborlee> farruinn, is the 56 modem support a known issue  then?
[05:30] <farruinn> I dunno, I have cable here
[05:30] <neighborlee> I just wasn't 'prepared' to be embarrased like that is sall
[05:30] <neighborlee> all
[05:31] <neighborlee> ic
[05:31] <farruinn> winmodems you can't expect much from
[05:31] <ironwolf> in squirrelmail, /etc/squirrelmail/apache.conf doesn't seem to be the active config... any clue where the active apache.conf is?
[05:31] <neighborlee> I did not expect much at all from his winmodem
[05:31] <neighborlee> but the other two shrug no idea for sure
[05:31] <lukins> has anyone been able to delete a cdrw?
[05:31] <neighborlee> and I told him that...although He basically understood anyway
[05:31] <neighborlee> lukins, delete ???
[05:32] <neighborlee> you mean erase I presume
[05:32] <lukins> i tried cdrecord blank=fast, but didn't work
[05:34] <neighborlee> what error
[05:34] <lukins> Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a34 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jrg Schilling
[05:34] <lukins> NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord
[05:34] <lukins>       and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version.
[05:34] <lukins>       Please send bug reports and support requests to <cdrtools@packages.debian.org>.
[05:34] <lukins>       The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version.
[05:34] <lukins> scsidev: '1,5,0'
[05:34] <lukins> scsibus: 1 target: 5 lun: 0
[05:34] <lukins> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[05:34] <lukins> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'.
[05:34] <lukins> cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'.
[05:34] <lukins> cdrecord:
[05:34] <lukins> cdrecord: For more information, install the cdrtools-doc
[05:34] <lukins> cdrecord: package and read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup .
[05:34] <lukins> lukins@Ubuntu:~ $
[05:35] <neighborlee> lukins, next time Please do not post in here when its that many lines
[05:35] <neighborlee> lukins, causes the natives to get grouchy <G>
[05:35] <neighborlee> anyway
[05:35] <lukins> you asked
[05:35] <neighborlee> and I informed
[05:35] <neighborlee> either way lets try to ascertain your issue
[05:36] <neighborlee> oh taht
[05:36] <neighborlee> that
[05:36] <neighborlee> I think its the way your using cdrecord because in the new kernel it requires a different syntax
[05:36] <neighborlee> anyone remember ?..if not I can look it up real quick ( as I dont remember myself offhand )
[05:37] <neighborlee> lukins, or you can use : xcdroast
[05:37] <neighborlee> or k3b if you'd rather
[05:37] <lukins> I'll try that.. have heard of it, but didn't know it was available on ubuntu
[05:38] <neighborlee> oh ok
[05:38] <neighborlee> grab it via synaptic
[05:38] <lukins> downloading now,thanks
[05:39] <neighborlee> lukins, you do know you can start synaptic via the  menu right ?
[05:39] <neighborlee> it/is
[05:40] <lukins> neighborlee, you are helpful but condescending
[05:41] <neighborlee> lukins, I phrased everything in such a way to avoid being condescending
[05:41] <neighborlee> damn
[05:42] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: too late - but you weren't condescending at all, as far as I can see
[05:42] <neighborlee> I didnt think I was no..:(
[05:42] <neighborlee> thx
[05:42] <thoreauputic> lukins was a little oversensitive, methinks :)
[05:42] <neighborlee> prob. yeah
[05:43] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, btw I might seeem hypersensitive myself but I was a bit surprised that ubuntu doesn't install setserial and wvdial as default ;-))
[05:43] <bluefoxicy> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JohnMoser  Up through USN #40-
[05:43] <bluefoxicy> 40-1
[05:43] <neighborlee> OR it got missed during install if it wasn't detecting the modem right ?
[05:44] <neighborlee> I am WAY out of touch using setserial..can someone give me a quick primer on its usage to get my friends modem to detect ?LOL
[05:44] <thoreauputic> dialup users are apparently regarded as strange throwbacks to the middle ages ;(
[05:44] <neighborlee> I used to know but im VERY rusty with it
[05:44] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, LOL that my take yes..sad but true prob.
[05:44] <pauladawn> Hi, new to Ubantu
[05:45] <neighborlee> pauladawn, hi welcome!!
[05:45] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: get your friend to run pppconfig as root
[05:45] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, ok
[05:45] <pauladawn> I have always used Windows and i thought this would be something new to try
[05:45] <thoreauputic> if it's a hardware external modem, pppconfig should find it
[05:46] <neighborlee> pauladawn, your in the right place ;-)
[05:46] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, its internal
[05:46] <pauladawn> Getting a little disgusted by Windows
[05:46] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: ah - a winmodem?
[05:46] <pauladawn> So far this is neat, going to take a little getting used to though
[05:46] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: you're in good company then ;)
[05:46] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, he has three..one is winmodem which I told him to  totally disregard fo rnow LOL..the other is blaster modem with rockwell chipset and other is intel with hayes chipset
[05:47] <pauladawn> Something to figure out while I am getting bored over the holidays
[05:47] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: easiest to run pppconfig first and see which one works then (if any)
[05:47] <pauladawn> Schools out for awhile
[05:47] <neighborlee> pauladawn, yeah it will but once there you'll love it..I cherrish every moment i'm here cause I no i'm safe from memory hogging virus scanners/firewalls and lord knows ubuntu runs very smoothly
[05:48] <neighborlee> pauladawn, heh
[05:48] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, ok sounds good
[05:48] <pauladawn> Ya so far it is so fast and smooth.
[05:48] <neighborlee> :)
[05:48] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: tip: head straight for ubuntulinux.org and read the FAQ, then look at the docs and the wiki
[05:48] <neighborlee> yeah
[05:48] <pauladawn> Ya I will, I just got this installed tonite
[05:48] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:49] <neighborlee> pauladawn, dual setup or one Hardrive for each OS ?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> welcome to the open source community :)
[05:49] <neighborlee> yeah really ;-))
[05:49] <pauladawn> I am in computer tech at school but they don't teach us any Linux
[05:49] <neighborlee> hmmmm
[05:49] <neighborlee> shame
[05:49] <pauladawn> Wonder why that is????
[05:49] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: they need a clue ?
[05:49] <neighborlee> lol
[05:50] <pauladawn> Maybe microsoft is supplying the computers?
[05:50] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: they are in the pockets of MS?
[05:50] <pauladawn> LOL
[05:50] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: exactly
[05:50] <neighborlee> hey yeah I was going to say..might be the MS thingee too <G>
[05:50] <pauladawn> So far I really like this
[05:51] <neighborlee> :)
[05:51] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: you can bring down a windows box in about 5 seconds flat using a live linux CD - scary
[05:51] <pauladawn> Well I know where to go if I have any questions, I've got to go and check this out some more.
[05:51] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: I'm not recommending the above, BTW ;)
[05:51] <thoreauputic> well, another quick visit...
[05:56] <neighborlee> lol
[05:57] <neighborlee> gotta run ...back to friends to try to get him online <
[06:08] <En3rgy> Is there any OpenGL support on Ubuntu for ATI Radeon 9700??
[06:09] <snerfu> Hmmm i should think so
[06:09] <snerfu> mesa maybe
[06:10] <En3rgy> well, i'm writing programs with OpenGL, so need direct rendering on Ubuntu..
[06:11] <snerfu> damn
[06:12] <Samchi> is there an update for the fglrx driver for kernel 2.6.8.1-14????
[06:13] <tha_gm> is there a channel for unbuntu+ppc?
[06:13] <Samchi> ls
[06:14] <Samchi> allo?
[06:14] <En3rgy> Samchi, i really don't know.. my FC3 partition is still not up and running because of the fglrx driver..
[06:14] <En3rgy> As far as i know, the rpm is not out..
[06:15] <En3rgy> but i'm new to the deb realm..
[06:15] <Samchi> I thought this was a ubuntu channel?
[06:15] <En3rgy> might still need ATI to release the newer driver first..
[06:16] <tha_gm> but usually the separate the channels based on distro and processor
[06:16] <Samchi> see I don't see how since it worked with kernel 2.6.8.1-13 and since they updated to the point release I just get a black screen
[06:17] <seth_> i think i'm going to make a wallpaper for ubuntu
[06:17] <seth_> "I love my OS"
[06:17] <seth_> hmm
[06:17] <seth_> "I love my Ubuntu"
[06:17] <seth_> nice
[06:18] <En3rgy> have u do a fglrx-config samchi??
[06:18] <Se7h> o.0
[06:19] <Samchi> ok I'll try that but I will have to reboot to reload the fglrx
[06:29] <melazyboy> has fglrx been fixed to work with xorg yet?
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> ok
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> on the wiki
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> I want a bullet with 2 paragraphs
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> how the hell?
[06:32] <melazyboy> En3rgy: Are you using hoary or woody (xfree/xorg)?
[06:32] <crimsun> melazyboy: not that I'm aware
[06:33] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: probably better practice to separate the paragraphs into separate bullets
[06:35] <bluefoxicy> crimsun: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JohnMoser
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  those were intended to be paragraphs  o.o
[06:37] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: which?
[06:37] <bluefoxicy> "Somewhere between 40% and 67.5% of vulnerabilities can definitely be stopped before they're known. Thus, 40-67.5% of zero-day exploits can be prevented."  <-- guarantee  :)
[06:38] <crimsun> under "Analysis?"
[06:38] <bluefoxicy> crimsun: yes
[06:38] <En3rgy> i'm using warty
[06:38] <En3rgy> Warty works on my desktop.. but not on my laptop tho.
[06:39] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: are you using an asterisk to denote a bullet?
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  yeah
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> the second level ones are just double indented
[06:39] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: the second paragraph should not have an asterisk
[06:39] <crimsun> just white space separation, if any
[06:40] <bluefoxicy> if I remove the asterisk and use the same indentation, it runs together.
[06:40] <bluefoxicy> i.e. it puts no newline
[06:40] <bluefoxicy> if I put one more space for indentation, it bullets it.
[06:40] <haffe> Hmmm, anyone here managed to get the coaxoutput of an nforce2 working with alsa?
[06:40] <crimsun> and you specified moin markup as the type, correct?
[06:40] <bluefoxicy> yes
[06:40] <crimsun> hmph.
[06:41] <crimsun> haffe: it works on the chipsets that support it
[06:41] <crimsun> (e.g., have the actual hardware)
[06:41] <haffe> Ok, I never managed to get it working.
[06:42] <crimsun> haffe: read the intel8x0 page on the alsa wiki
[06:44] <haffe> crimsun, Been there, done that :D
[06:44] <crimsun> then you should probably be asking in #alsa
[06:49] <snowball> Does anyone know if there is a way to install ubuntu from another partition or from a network instead of from the CD?  My CD-ROM drive doesn't work in the computer I want to install to.
[06:49] <crimsun> haffe: ...or you could just sit here and not give more details.
[06:50] <haffe> crimsun, I don't have linux installed at the moment, I wanted to know if it worked at all, or if I should simply give up.
[06:51] <crimsun> haffe: yes, it does work for the hardware that supports it
[06:51] <haffe> Ok, I'll have to figure it out then.
[07:06] <Fergi> hi all, i'm a beginner, and asking for your help. I installed Ubuntu in my notebook, dual booting with XP, at this moment, I need some documents reside in FAT32 partition, would you like to tell me how could I get  those documents from Ubuntu. Thx in advance
[07:06] <Psiconauta> you have to mount your disks....
[07:07] <Psiconauta> http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat
[07:07] <Fergi> ok, thx, going to read them by now
[07:08] <Psiconauta> ;)
[07:08] <Psiconauta> it's easy, don't worry
[07:10] <Tarcastil> what's better for a desktop? debian unstable or ubuntu?
[07:10] <Se7h> FINALY
[07:10] <Se7h> azureus running
[07:10] <Se7h> lol
[07:11] <Fergi> Hi Psiconauta: I add this line to mtab, /dev/hda1 / FAT32 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0, is that OK?
[07:12] <nictuku> no
[07:12] <crimsun> 'afternoon jdub
[07:12] <nictuku> the second argument, "/", should not be that.
[07:12] <nictuku> and it's not mtab, it's fstab
[07:12] <Fergi> oh
[07:12] <Fergi> oke
[07:22] <Fergi> hi all, about mounting, I added this line /dev/hda1 /mnt/XP1 vfat rw 0 0
[07:23] <melazyboy> that will not work
[07:23] <invist> hey all, I'm running hoary and gnome-panel seems to be broken because of python2.4 ... anyone else experiencing this?
[07:24] <Fergi> it works with a message "Perhaps there is a stale lock file", what is that mean?
[07:24] <melazyboy> Fergi: not sure, but it won't allow you to write on it
[07:24] <Fergi> I see
[07:24] <Fergi> so only read?
[07:24] <melazyboy> unless you include umask=000,fmask=000,dmask=000
[07:25] <melazyboy> those are all options
[07:27] <Fergi> ok, tx melazyboy
[07:33] <neighborlee> kewl it looks like the lt winmodem my friend has is indeed suppported in linux since 2001..so ill go to his home tomorrow and try again ;-)
[07:34] <thully> Hi - does anybody know how to add to a multisession in Ubuntu using Nautilus?
[07:34] <thully> multisession CD-R
[07:34] <Tomcat_> thully: I doubt it's possible... it has very few options.
[07:35] <Tomcat_> I know how to burn files directly and yesterday I found out how to write ISOs... but I don't think Nautilus can do more.
[07:35] <Tomcat_> You'll probably need cdrecord or k3b for that...
[07:35] <thully> This should be a priority to add in the next version - I really don't like the thought of downloading k3b on dial-up
[07:36] <Tomcat_> Well you're free to make the priority public by reporting it in the Ubuntu Bugzilla or directly in the Gnome Bugzilla. :o
[07:36] <thully> OK - I'll do that - I've done so for other things like this where Ubuntu is lacking
[07:37] <Tomcat_> Good. :] 
[07:37] <Tomcat_> I'd like that too... so far I don't need any burner except Nautilus - and if it has more features, all the better.
[07:38] <Tomcat_> No bugs like that for Gnome. :o
[07:38] <thully> So, you don't add any files to CDs?
[07:38] <Tomcat_> Currently no.
[07:38] <Tomcat_> I always fill them up, and that's very easy on my disks. :)
[07:39] <|QuaD|> weird... i am running a dual monitor hoary system... i alsways have totem-xine playing movies on 1 monitor... but it won't play them today, plays sound but gives a blue screen.. tried on onther monitor it works fine
[07:39] <|QuaD|> any suggestions
[07:39] <Tomcat_> But if I wanted to add files, I'd probably do it on a DVD backup... and the DVD burner is in a Windows PC anyway.
[07:39] <Tomcat_> |QuaD|: X/overlay problem... no further ideas though.
[07:39] <invist> anyone running ubuntu on ppc?
[07:40] <|QuaD|> Tomcat_: thanks :) looks like i gotta restart xserver then
[07:40] <Tomcat_> |QuaD|: It's the same when you watch xine over VNC...
[07:40] <|QuaD|> Tomcat_: it has always worked though
[07:40] <Tomcat_> You didn't restart it already? :>
[07:40] <|QuaD|> which is werid
[07:40] <|QuaD|> nope ;)
[07:40] <|QuaD|> was waiting
[07:40] <Tomcat_> Yeah...
[07:40] <Tomcat_> I guess that's my Windows attitude... "to fix it, reboot" :o
[07:40] <|QuaD|> i shold update hoary while i am at it ;)
[07:41] <invist> good luck with that... updating hoary today broke gnome for me
[07:41] <|QuaD|> really? why
[07:41] <Tomcat_> I'm not sure how current graphics cards work, but I believe you need to choose a monitor for overlay (video)...
[07:41] <invist> python2.4 was just introduced into hoary, i don
[07:41] <invist> I don't think all packages have updated dependencies yet
[07:42] <|QuaD|> Tomcat_: not true
[07:42] <|QuaD|> i can normally run it on either (or both)
[07:42] <Tomcat_> Mh... good to know.
[07:42] <Tomcat_> As I said, I don't know... I can only cite the problems we always had in Windows and Linux using a second monitor. :>
[07:42] <Tomcat_> But I guess it depends on the graphics card, and if yours could do dual monitor overlay, it should continue to do so. :)
[07:43] <thully> out of curiosity - how do you fix hoary if it breaks on a dist-upgrade?
[07:44] <|QuaD|> thully: depends how it breaks
[07:44] <invist> for me it's been doing apt-get -f install plus manually running dpkg -i on packages
[07:45] <|QuaD|> invist: it depends what breaks
[07:45] <|QuaD|> apt-get -f is bad
[07:45] <paulproteus> |QuaD|: apt-get is for --fix-missing.
[07:46] <paulproteus> -f is a wonderful feature.  It's not "force", it's "fix".
[07:46] <|QuaD|> yyeah
[07:46] <|QuaD|> wait
[07:46] <|QuaD|> i thought it was force
[07:46] <invist> anyone got any idea how to get gnome-panel to behave nicely with python2.4?
[07:46] <invist> -f is fix-missing
[07:46] <thully> does major breakage occur much?
[07:47] <invist> anytime something major gets updated you can expect something to break
[07:48] <thully> major things, like GNOME X, or login?
[07:48] <invist> or python which broke my box today
[07:48] <paulproteus> |QuaD|: You must come from RPMland, where people use "rpm -f" and trash their systems.
[07:49] <thully> Is it safe to just use warty and install selected hoary packages?
[07:49] <invist> i wouldn't mix the 2
[07:49] <|QuaD|> :)
[07:49] <thully> because major breakage (in GNOME, X, or Login) scares me
[07:49] <zenwhen> thully, it works fine.
[07:49] <zenwhen> Check out the wiki article on apt pinning.
[07:50] <thully> I wouldn't sweat if more minor things broke, but I really don't want major things breaking very often
[07:50] <thully> However, there are a few things in hoary I just have to have - especially software suspend
[07:52] <thully> If you use Hoary, is it good or bad to dist-upgrade often (like once a day)?
[07:53] <calc> thully: watch to make sure it doesn't uninstall things
[07:53] <calc> i've been holding off due to the python update
[07:54] <invist> anyone know if 1280x854 is a supported resolution under x.org
[07:54] <invist> ?
[07:54] <MyMimi> hello
[07:55] <hazmat> invist, dunno about x.org.. but its supported on xfree.. so i would assume yes.
[07:55] <invist> hazmat: k, thanks
[07:55] <thully> what is a good amount of time between dist-upgrades on hoary?  If you aren't up-to-date and install a package from hoary, is it bad for the system?
[07:56] <MyMimi> anyone want to visit with a newbie?  I have Ubuntu running on my inspiron 5150 with only a few errors
[07:58] <|QuaD|> looks like gnome-panel-data failed
[08:00] <MyMimi> hello any mentors for hire?
[08:01] <MyMimi> I'll trade help for yummy recipes
[08:01] <calc> MyMimi: just ask the question someone may help
[08:02] <MyMimi> ok
[08:03] <|QuaD|> time for the reboot :)
[08:03] <|QuaD|> lets see if x boots
[08:04] <MyMimi> i get several mod probe errors (pci related i think) at startup, also my wireless network card show as a device but does not seem to work or be configured.
[08:09] <monoxide222> hi everyone, is there anything avtually in the ubuntu-base apt package or is it just to hold together everything that is included as part of the ubuntu base system?
[08:09] <billytwowilly> hold together
[08:09] <paulproteus> monoxide222: The second one.
[08:09] <billytwowilly> Don't get rid of it.
[08:09] <paulproteus> It's called a 'meta-package'.
[08:10] <paulproteus> If you install things like totem-xine that conflict with things in ubuntu-desktop, you should be fine.  But if you try to remove things from ubuntu-base, you're modifying the core software.  So do it only if you know what you're doing, or if someone who *really* knows what you're doing thinks it's a good idea.
[08:13] <mrpollock> :(
[08:13] <monoxide222> just that i am having alot of troubles with sound working on my ubuntu install, and the one thing that is working, is working through oss, so i thought maybe alsa and oss were conflicting somehow
[08:14] <monoxide222> and i was thinking that maybe if removed alsa it would work?
[08:15] <FlaminMoe> anyone willing to give a total n00b some help with ubuntu?
[08:15] <mrpollock> Total n00b here too! :)
[08:16] <paulproteus> FlaminMoe: Depends.  Maybe if you ask a question, we'll answer it. ;)
[08:16] <FlaminMoe> i'm running ubunta via the gnoppix cd
[08:16] <FlaminMoe> i need to change the screen res to 1280x1024 .. but it only goes up to 1024x768
[08:18] <mrpollock> Your video card supports 1280x1024?
[08:19] <mrpollock> I guess it's possible that the driver (?) that is being used may not support that resolution...
[08:19] <FlaminMoe> yep .. it's a gforce4 ultra
[08:19] <FlaminMoe> i see. .. so i need to install udpated nvidia drivers perhaps
[08:19] <mrpollock> Might be worth a try
[08:20] <FlaminMoe> ok .. so .. my second question is....
[08:20] <FlaminMoe> i need to be root to install drivers ... so how do i login as root? what would be the default password?
[08:20] <paulproteus> The 'nv' driver will, with very high likelihood, support all the resolutions of an NVidia card.
[08:20] <paulproteus> FlaminMoe: sudo , not su.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:21] <monoxide222> the thing with removing alsa is that 2 things depend on it, ubuntu-base and gdm. i figure i can replace gdm with xdm, but i was wondering about ubuntu-base. do you guys think that this would be ok? or that iv got the wrong problem?
[08:21] <monoxide222> damned net-splits...
[08:22] <paulproteus> monoxide222: Yeah, you "should" be fine.
[08:23] <paulproteus> ubuntu-base is just a metapackage.
[08:23] <paulproteus> But I think you're going down the slope toward insanity by losing ALSA; I don't know if e.g. GNOME's mixer can use OSS instead.
[08:23] <paulproteus> So, by all means, find out; just remember what packages you lost so you can put them back if you need to. (-:
[08:23] <monoxide222> lol.... alot of things "should" happen....
[08:23] <monoxide222> now to find xdm...
[08:24] <monoxide222> the mixer shows OSS atm
[08:25] <paulproteus> Okay.  Losing ubuntu-base won't hurt you; it contains no files.  Just remember that you can always install it to get back to, well, the base Ubuntu system if you get lost.
[08:26] <|QuaD-> the nvidia drivers are built for which kernel?
[08:26] <|QuaD-> i am having trouble figuring it out after my ugrade
[08:26] <crimsun> `uname -r`
[08:26] <crimsun> there are ones built for current in warty-security and in hoary
[08:26] <|QuaD-> no, what are the nvidia drivers built for inhoary
[08:27] <crimsun> 2.6.9
[08:27] <|QuaD-> cuz i am trying on 2.6.9-1-686 and no luck
[08:27] <|QuaD-> any suggestions?
[08:28] <|QuaD-> brb
[08:29] <monoxide222> anyone know where i can apt-get xdm from? because it is not on any of the ubuntu sources (they use gdm instead)
[08:29] <paulproteus> monoxide222: Is it in Universe?
[08:30] <paulproteus> monoxide222: Looks to be in Universe from where I sit.
[08:30] <|QuaD-> so any ideas why i am having trouble initializing nvidia modules?
[08:30] <crimsun> error messages help. Use paste.plone.org
[08:31] <monoxide222> i dont think i have the universe sources added...
[08:31] <netsplit> Does anyone know why I'd get "LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library" no such file or directory error when I start firefox with .mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so?
[08:31] <monoxide222> what are they?
[08:32] <paulproteus> monoxide222: Here you go: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[08:32] <|QuaD-> crimsun: http://www.slovin.us/xorg.log
[08:32] <paulproteus> They're Ubuntu's frozen sid, if you know what I'm talking about, monoxide222.
[08:32] <monoxide222> no...
[08:33] <BlacKnight|> hello hello
[08:34] <BlacKnight|> i'm having trouble getting my digital camera to work
[08:34] <paulproteus> monoxide222: Ah.  Then read the Wiki link I gave you.
[08:34] <BlacKnight|> i've installed gtkam and libgphoto2
[08:34] <BlacKnight|> but neither gphoto2 nor gtkam will autodetect my camera
[08:34] <paulproteus> That's sad.  BlacKnight|: Is it a USB camera?
[08:34] <BlacKnight|> tail -f /var/log/messages doesn't reveal anything
[08:34] <BlacKnight|> yep
[08:34] <paulproteus> If so, can you paste the output of 'lsusb' once it's plugged into the computer?
[08:34] <BlacKnight|> canon ixus v3
[08:34] <paulproteus> And, also, is the camera on? :)
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 058f:9310 Alcor Micro Corp.
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> the camera's on, plugged in
[08:35] <Seq> BlacKnight|: does your camera support changing the data transfer type?
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> 001/002 is the sd card...
[08:35] <monoxide222> i did. thanks paulproteus
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> (different device
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> )
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> Seq: only to ptp
[08:36] <Seq> BlacKnight|: from what?
[08:36] <BlacKnight|> 'normal'
[08:36] <BlacKnight|> it worked fine in mandrake
[08:36] <BlacKnight|> but it seems ubuntu isn't even recognising it
[08:36] <Seq> BlacKnight|: 'normal' is probably just usb removable storage, then, im assuming
[08:36] <BlacKnight|> no, i don't htink it is
[08:36] <|QuaD-> should i have "load GLcore" and "load xtt" in my xorg config for nvidia drivers?
[08:37] <BlacKnight|> ok i just disconnected my sd card reader...
[08:37] <BlacKnight|> and when i reconnected it, it didn't initialise
[08:37] <roo9> I would simply like to say that you have created one kick-ass linux distro.
[08:37] <BlacKnight|> which means there's something wrong with hotplug?
[08:37] <BlacKnight|> jbroome: i agree, it's quite nice
[08:39] <roo9> does anyone have any experience with the acx100 wireless cards? specifically the ACX111
[08:39] <BlacKnight|> oops
[08:39] <BlacKnight|> roo9: i agree rather
[08:39] <roo9> "acx100_reset_dev: Failed to upload firmware to the ACX111"
[08:39] <paulproteus> roo9: I have one in my (Debian) desktop.
[08:40] <paulproteus> acx111.sf.net will, as I recall, provide you terse instructions for getting firmware.
[08:40] <roo9> paulproteus: a 111? I would at least like someone to tell me they have gotten it to work, so i know it's possible
[08:40] <kuru> wtf? nothing works with this ubuntu thing
[08:40] <roo9> paulproteus: all the docs seem to be tied into the wiki, which seem to be crashed atm
[08:40] <kuru> firefox crashes when i submit a button
[08:40] <|QuaD-> crimsun: do oyu have any clues as to whats wrong with my xorg?
[08:41] <kuru> evolution crashes when i want to attach a file
[08:41] <kuru> ???
[08:41] <kuru> i don't wanna spend a whole other day re-configuring this system
[08:41] <roo9> kuru, what version are you using? is it warty or a preview release?
[08:41] <kuru> warty
[08:42] <roo9> kuru, no such problems here. I just did a brand-new install, no such issues remotely, I have not even needed to configure anything
[08:42] <kuru> well, I can't send a freaking email
[08:42] <roo9> paulproteus: do you know where on the filesystem the firmware is suppsed to reside?
[08:42] <paulproteus> /usr/lib/hotplug slash something-or-other
[08:43] <paulproteus> kuru: First thing, I suggest you run the memory tester that Ubuntu comes with.
[08:43] <roo9> how about /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware ....
[08:43] <paulproteus> roo9: Sounds right to me.
[08:44] <BlacKnight|> so any ideas with my camera problem?
[08:44] <roo9> paulproteus, the nicest thing about ubuntu : I have been using linux for a LONG time... and I don't feel constrained by the improvements you have made, as opposed to Mandrake or it's ilk
[08:45] <paulproteus> roo9: Don't compliment me, I'm just a Debian power-user who decided he wanted to spend less time mucking with his system and more time using it. :)
[08:45] <paulproteus> Though, I agree, that's part of what makes Ubuntu good.
[08:47] <|QuaD-> so does ANYONE know whats wrongwith the nvidia drivers in hoary?
[08:49] <roo9> paulproteus, i meant you in the plural sense.... I am also a debian user... though I turned to mac os x for my laptop for exactly that reason
[08:49] <|QuaD-> do i need to install restricted modules for nvidia drivers?
[08:50] <paulproteus> roo9: Ah, I see. :)
[08:50] <miggumike> anyone use ubuntuppc?
[08:50] <paulproteus> miggumike: Right here.
[08:51] <miggumike> paul i installed kde 3.3 and i wanted to know what i should to get my keyboard buttons work
[08:51] <miggumike> the volume and brightness buttons on my laptop, that is
[08:51] <paulproteus> Ah.  Those should be handled by pbbuttonsd automatically.
[08:51] <paulproteus> That's taken-care-of underneath the GUI layer.  Those should even work on the console.
[08:52] <BlacKnight|> is there a hardware detection daemon or osmething?
[08:52] <paulproteus> Try installing powerprefs to configure that.
[08:52] <paulproteus> Step 1: install powerprefs
[08:52] <paulproteus> Step 2: run
[08:52] <paulproteus> $sudo powerprefs
[08:52] <paulproteus> Step 3: tinker
[08:52] <BlacKnight|> E: Couldn't find package powerprefs
[08:53] <miggumike> paulproteus may i msg you?
[08:53] <miggumike> nm
[08:54] <ferris> how can i change the root password?
[08:54] <paulproteus> BlacKnight|: You may need to enable Universe to get powerprefs.
[08:54] <BlacKnight|> was that powerprefs for me anyway?
[08:54] <paulproteus> ferris: By default there is no root password.  The root account is locked.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:54] <BlacKnight|> and i have enabled univers
[08:54] <BlacKnight|> e
[08:54] <paulproteus> BlacKnight|: It's for whoever wants to configure the buttons on an Apple laptop.
[08:54] <paulproteus> paulproteus@baroque:~ $ apt-cache search powerprefs
[08:54] <paulproteus> powerprefs - Client to configure pbbuttonsd
[08:54] <Seq> BlacKnight|: udevd handles that i think, and it calls hotplug or something
[08:55] <roo9> paulproteus, i
[08:55] <roo9> paulproteus, i'm still getting the failed to upload firmware error..... do you know where it might dump a more useful error?
[08:56] <Seq> anybody using prism54 based wifi card getting firmware resets on a fairly random basis?
[08:56] <paulproteus> roo9: Afraid not.
[08:56] <kuru> hrmm... a reboot sorted things out
[08:56] <miggumike> paulproteus; i don't see anything...
[08:56] <kuru> i guess there were some updates to the system that required a reboot
[08:56] <kuru> very odd
[08:56] <kuru> it should have said something
[08:56] <paulproteus> But as this is a general Linux+acx111 question, not an Ubuntu-specific one, I can only advise either reading the mailing list, or asking in an acx111-relevant forum.
[08:57] <roo9> paulproteus, it's /lib/hotplug/firmware not /usr/lib
[08:58] <paulproteus> roo9: Really?  Are you sure?
[08:58] <paulproteus> I mean, okay.
[08:58] <roo9> paulproteus: yes
[08:58] <paulproteus> :)
[08:58] <roo9> at least over here anyway
[08:58] <paulproteus> Is that changing things at all?
[08:59] <roo9> paulproteus, yes, now I get a different error
[08:59] <roo9> which is progress anyway
[08:59] <roo9> acx100_issue_cmd failed: Invalid parameter [1250 uSec]  Cmd: Ah, Result: Eh
[08:59] <roo9> cb =0x1AE
[08:59] <calc> paulproteus: haven't seen you around in a while
[09:00] <kuru> no arabic fonts?
[09:01] <paulproteus> roo9: rofl!
[09:02] <paulproteus> "Ah, eh"...
[09:02] <paulproteus> Sorry, I guess that isn't funny.
[09:02] <paulproteus> roo9: Keep in mind that, if you like, you can use ndiswrapper ("ndis warper") to make this work.
[09:02] <paulproteus> calc: Just a few weeks as finals happened.
[09:02] <miggumike> paul: i don't see the options
[09:03] <miggumike> i just see things for the illuminated keyboard.
[09:03] <gsuveg> how can i install blender, gkrellm, gqview ?
[09:03] <paulproteus> miggumike: There's buttons on the left, as I recall, that show you categories of options.
[09:03] <kuru> what would I have to do to get ttf-arabeyes deb pacakge (it's in testing) on ubuntu?
[09:03] <monoxide222> hmmm... somehow i dont think alsa is the way to go.... is there someone who can help me with my sound problems?
[09:03] <paulproteus> gsuveg: They're in "Universe".
[09:03] <calc> paulproteus: last time i recall seeing you was in #debian-kde probably years ago ;)
[09:03] <paulproteus> At least gqview is.
[09:03] <gsuveg> paulproteus: what is universe?
[09:03] <paulproteus> calc: Ah.  I've seen you around here once or twice.
[09:04] <gsuveg> paulproteus: show me url
[09:04] <paulproteus> gsuveg: Sorry to be terse, but read the FAQ entry on Universe, and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[09:04] <paulproteus> FAQ URL is in the topic of the channel.
[09:04] <calc> yea
[09:05] <gsuveg> paulproteus: thanks a lot
[09:05] <roo9> this is a nice error "Danger Will Robinson, MAC did not come back"
[09:05] <paulproteus> roo9: I'm laughing, and I can only hope it's *with* you. :)
[09:05] <gsuveg> i dont remember, what is the url of unoff. ubuntu faq ?
[09:05] <paulproteus> By the way, calc, if you have ideas on making GNOME look nicer than the boring (but passable) Ubuntu default, do say them. :)
[09:05] <roo9> and only 2 google hits on that... The source code && some german language page
[09:06] <paulproteus> gsuveg: Being unofficial, there's a few.  Check out the ubuntuforums.org .
[09:06] <calc> there are themes though of course
[09:06] <roo9> the real question is this, can I order a prisimII card online and have it shipped here faster than I can get this POS to work?
[09:06] <paulproteus> Right, none of which look much better.
[09:06] <paulproteus> Not that it's a really big deal for me; when I teach a class full of Windows expats to use Ubuntu, they'll nag me about it, I'm sure.
[09:06] <calc> there are some other engines as well but i haven't looked at them
[09:06] <gsuveg> paulproteus: thx. imwas read it on osnews.org or other, i dont remember.
[09:07] <gsuveg> paulproteus: now im plan to use ubuntu
[09:07] <calc> paulproteus: art.gnome.org for more themes
[09:08] <gsuveg> paulproteus: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:09] <roo9> paulproteus, I have gotten like 2 hours of sleep in the past ?week? I can't remember... so i'm too tired to laugh...
[09:09] <miggumike> paul: don't see it :/
[09:10] <paulproteus> roo9: Getting NDIS WARPER to work will probably not take more than fifteen minutes.
[09:10] <roo9> paulproteus, is it in ubuntu?
[09:11] <calc> getting wpa to work takes longer ;)
[09:11] <calc> since its not in ubuntu
[09:11] <paulproteus> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363 seems relevant, roo9
[09:12] <BlacKnight|> hrmm
[09:12] <BlacKnight|> could my camera problem have something to do with this:
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: Scanning system for PnP BIOS support...
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: Found PnP BIOS installation structure at 0xc00f5570
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: PnP BIOS version 1.0, entry 0xf0000:0x615a, dseg 0xf0000
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PNPBIOS fault.. attempting recovery.
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: Warning! Your PnP BIOS caused a fatal error. Attempting to continue
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: You may need to reboot with the "nobiospnp" option to operate stably
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: get_dev_node: unexpected status 0x28
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: 6 nodes reported by PnP BIOS; 6 recorded by driver
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> (sorry about pastage)
[09:13] <paulproteus> roo9: My policy is, "Thank me when it works."
[09:13] <paulproteus> roo9: I suppose that applies to hugs, too.
[09:13] <paulproteus> Actually, I'll take the hug, who am I kidding? :)
[09:13] <paulproteus> BlacKnight|: It's possible.
[09:13] <roo9> :-)
[09:13] <paulproteus> Try adding the nobiospnp option to your boot.
[09:14] <roo9> BlacKnight|, try rebooting with the nobiospnp
[09:14] <BlacKnight|> will that fix my camera?
[09:14] <roo9> BlacKnight|, only way to find out is to try
[09:14] <roo9> it's possible
[09:14] <BlacKnight|> where do i add the option?
[09:14] <BlacKnight|> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-686-smp.nodri root=/dev/hda5 ro quiet splash
[09:15] <BlacKnight|> to the end of that line?
[09:15] <roo9> BlacKnight|, or just type it on boot
[09:15] <BlacKnight|> will my option work?
[09:15] <aeruder> where half the deps and friends are broken?
[09:16] <paulproteus> Mostly the friends are broken, actually. ;)
[09:16] <aeruder> heh, figured
[09:16] <aeruder> i was making it work.. until i hit a brick wall with python2.4-gnome2
[09:16] <aeruder> or the lack thereof
[09:17] <aeruder> oh well... i'm happy that subversion 1.x is in now :)
[09:17] <crimsun> aeruder: everything is being transitioned to python2.4
[09:17] <aeruder> crimsun: i figured... just making sure that it was a known issue (it seemed to be since it was rather large dep problems)
[09:17] <crimsun> well, it _is_ Hoary :)
[09:18] <aeruder> yes... and i do know what i'm doing.. so... i'll just wait
[09:18] <roo9> paulproteus, which driver to use? the win2k, win98, winxp winme? AHHH DLL HELL!
[09:18] <aeruder> i was in the process of doing a lot of manual dpkg work, until i realized that a couple critical packages haven't made it in yet
[09:18] <aeruder> :)
[09:19] <paulproteus> roo9: lol.  WinXP.
[09:20] <roo9> ndiswrapper (ndis_init_one_pci:1458): Windows driver couldn't initialize the device
[09:20] <roo9> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
[09:21] <paulproteus> roo9: Yeah.  Um, that's sad.
[09:22] <roo9> :-(
[09:22] <cenerentola> anyone still alive after friday's night fever?
[09:26] <stuNNed_> cenerentola, fever? :)
[09:29] <Zotnix> I have a printer in the gnome printer manager that I can't remove.
[09:29] <Zotnix> it's not grabbing the correct location. I know if I turn on auto-search in the config file it will find the printer automatically.
[09:30] <roo9_> ok
[09:30] <roo9_> i'm back
[09:30] <roo9_> it worked
[09:30] <roo9_> with the acx_pci
[09:30] <paulproteus> roo9_: Yay!
[09:30] <paulproteus> How'd that happen?
[09:30] <paulproteus> Reboot needed to take place?
[09:30] <roo9_> no fucking clue
[09:31] <roo9_> as a matter of pride
[09:31] <paulproteus> Of course.
[09:31] <paulproteus> Well, um, that's great.
[09:31] <roo9_> better if I knew how it occured
[09:31] <paulproteus> Here's a hug for you, then. [hug-here] 
[09:31] <roo9_> thank you too!
[09:31] <roo9_>  03:31:11 up 475 days, 23:41,  2 users,  load average: 0.34, 0.29, 0.21
[09:31] <roo9_> that is my main linux box
[09:32] <paulproteus> roo9_: Hooray.
[09:32] <paulproteus> You're probably vulnerable to a local root exploit, though.
[09:32] <crimsun> which 2.6 kernel?
[09:32] <roo9_> crimsun, on that high uptime?
[09:32] <roo9_> paulproteus, yes... But i trust all my local users... me & me
[09:32] <roo9_> well
[09:32] <roo9_> 1 or two close friends have accounts
[09:33] <paulproteus> So long as you don't run a web server there, you'll be fine.
[09:33] <roo9_> yeah.... no webserver
[09:33] <crimsun> roo9_: 64-bit jiffies weren't merged until 2.6
[09:33] <roo9_> crimsun, 64-bit ?
[09:33] <paulproteus> roo9_: If you use NickServ, you can use the GHOST command.
[09:34] <roo9_> paulproteus, yeah....
[09:34] <paulproteus> I run TWiki on my webserver and had a pest break in through that.  I patched it immediately and kicked him off, but was thankful I wasn't running a r00t-vulnerable kernel.
[09:34] <crimsun> you roll over at 457 days otherwise.
[09:34] <roo9> crimsun, dunno
[09:34] <roo9> crimsun, it could be patched in this kernel...
[09:35] <calc> i thought they rolled after 45 days
[09:35] <roo9> i thought they fixed that in 2.4
[09:35] <calc> depends on HZ right?
[09:35] <calc> at HZ = 1024 it would roll in just over 45 days
[09:35] <crimsun> no 2.2 kernel has it, only 2.4.23+ has it, and only 2.6.x
[09:35] <roo9> that's bad
[09:35] <roo9> hrmmm
[09:35] <crimsun> (don't remember which 2.6)
[09:36] <roo9> i don't know
[09:36] <calc> thats also the reason (aiui) that old windows boxes died after 45 days
[09:36] <roo9> and i'm operating on <0 sleep so....
[09:36] <roo9> IE: what shut down boston-logan airport
[09:38] <roo9> if you have an @ in your password, how do you do ftp://user:pass@host/pwd form?
[09:38] <crimsun> you omit the :pass
[09:38] <crimsun> and let the application prompt you for the passwd
[09:38] <paulproteus> Or you escape it in some CRAZY way.
[09:38] <crimsun> or you can try escaping it
[09:39] <roo9> in hex most likely
[09:39] <roo9> like %xx
[09:39] <aeruder> try ftp://user:my%40pass@host
[09:40] <paulproteus> sweet, a free ftp account! ;)
[09:40] <roo9> no ncftp in ubuntu
[09:40] <roo9> quick, someone suggest a free replacement
[09:40] <paulproteus> lftp?
[09:40] <paulproteus> 'tis in Universe, roo9.
[09:41] <crimsun> yeah, 'universe'
[09:41] <roo9> what's universe?
[09:41] <crimsun> it's another software repo. See the wiki.
[09:41] <roo9> apt-get install ncftp
[09:41] <roo9> that's all I have used for like 5 years now
[09:41] <aeruder> roo9: ubuntu has so many 'supported' packages
[09:41] <paulproteus> See FAQ entry on Universe, and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[09:41] <snowball> Can anyone give me a tip on how to install ubuntu without a working CD-ROM?  I looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto/view?searchterm=network%20install but am having some problems getting it to work.
[09:41] <aeruder> but there is also a universal repository with about a baJILLION packages
[09:41] <aeruder> at least!
[09:41] <paulproteus> aeruder: Twice that by my count.
[09:42] <paulproteus> snowball: The easiest way is to install using another computer that has a working CD-ROM, or to borrow a CD-ROM.
[09:42] <aeruder> counts have ranged from an extra 20 clear up to a extra twenty-bajillion packages
[09:42] <stuNNed_> is mozilla-mplayer still borked in unstable?
[09:42] <paulproteus> Just put your hard drive in that machine, install, and return it to yours.
[09:42] <aeruder> its a difficult thing to count...
[09:42] <snowball> Er, it's a notebook of death.
[09:42] <paulproteus> snowball: Oh.
[09:42] <paulproteus> Yeah, I had one of those.
[09:42] <calc> probably around 12000 more
[09:42] <paulproteus> Okay, let me try harder, then. :)
[09:42] <aeruder> get a little laptop->ide adaptor
[09:43] <paulproteus> Oh, right.
[09:43] <aeruder> you can pick one up for less than 15 dollars
[09:43] <roo9> 2.5mb/s sustained with the wireless
[09:43] <paulproteus> snowball: The easiest way is to install a simple Woody setup and dist-upgrade to Ubuntu.
[09:43] <roo9> paulproteus: you can do that? that's cool.
[09:43] <calc> roo9: you can manage up to ~ 3MB/s if you turn on burst mode on your ap
[09:44] <paulproteus> If you're familiar with debootstrap, you can try doing that, too, snowball.
[09:44] <roo9> calc: i'm in a major urban center... not likely to happen... i'm only getting the speed I am now because it's 4am...
[09:44] <snowball> to paulproteus.  I'm running Knoppix right now, but I wanted to wipe it out and install ubuntu instead since  hear it is better.
[09:44] <roo9> calc: lower manhattan to be exact
[09:44] <paulproteus> snowball: It is better. ;)
[09:44] <roo9> 565191919 bytes transferred in 220 seconds (2.45M/s)
[09:44] <calc> roo9: oh
[09:44] <paulproteus> You could use debootstrap if you'd rather.
[09:45] <snowball> to paulproteus: I think last time I did some weird partitioning, copied the iso over and somehow got the iso to run after booting from a boot floppy.
[09:45] <roo9> calc: this computer was lucky if it got 1.0mb/s in windows
[09:45] <paulproteus> snowball: debootstrap is a program that simulates the Debian Installer by a series of shell scripts.
[09:45] <calc> heh
[09:45] <paulproteus> It's actually called by the real Ubuntu/Debian installer anyway.
[09:46] <paulproteus> snowball: Do you want to keep any config files?
[09:46] <paulproteus> And/or, do you want to keep any files at all?
[09:46] <snowball> Oh, ok.  I tried doing the thing it said in the network setup on the site.  I made the 3 disks, but the network disk didn't really work.
[09:46] <snowball> paulproteus: I can lose everything.  I don't care.
[09:47] <roo9> snowball: specifics, what errors did you recieve?
[09:47] <paulproteus> snowball: You know, to be honest, there's all sorts of TOTALLY RAD ways to do this install, but the easiest is to just use the Woody install floppies to install the most minimal-possible Woody.
[09:47] <paulproteus> Then set your sources.list to Ubuntu, and do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop .
[09:47] <paulproteus> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-woody has a tad more information.
[09:47] <snowball> Hmm.  That sounds pretty good.  I've done the apt-get install before.
[09:49] <snowball> roo9: It turns my network card lights on and then tells me to select my net card, but it isn't listed--though I think it started it since the dongle's lights are on and flashing (notebook).
[09:50] <roo9> snowball: pcmcia?
[09:50] <roo9> because, I have never done a sucessful pcmcia network install.... in 10 years of trying
[09:50] <snowball> paulproteus: Hmm.  Thanks.  I'll try that out.  That looks easier.  I could just do that from knoppix (installed on hdd)?
[09:50] <snowball> roo9: yes.
[09:50] <paulproteus> snowball: I urge you not to try this from Knoppix-on-HD.
[09:50] <roo9> snowball: probably not from knoppix...
[09:50] <snowball> oh.  Hmm.
[09:50] <paulproteus> It "may" work, but all the package customizations that Knoppix does will make it a great pain.
[09:51] <snowball> Ok.
[09:51] <paulproteus> There'll be package conflicts and files strewn across the system and a mess.
[09:51] <paulproteus> Or, let me rephrase:
[09:51] <paulproteus> If you gave me a day, I could make that work.
[09:51] <paulproteus> But I'd hate to.
[09:51] <paulproteus> Especially when going straight from Woody to Ubuntu Warty is so easy.
[09:52] <paulproteus> It's like any of these other methods (netboot, hacked-testing-floppy-install): It's possible but unnecessarily difficult.
[09:52] <paulproteus> If you want the learning experience, use one of those.
[09:52] <paulproteus> But the Knoppix-to-Ubuntu Warty upgrade will be an exercise in tedium much more than it will be instructive.
[09:52] <roo9> knoppix-> warty is probably impossible
[09:52] <paulproteus> roo9: Don't say "impossible".
[09:53] <paulproteus> I repeat my "could make it work over a full day" statement.
[09:53] <roo9> it's like sid->woody
[09:53] <paulproteus> roo9: lol. :)
[09:53] <roo9> it's not impossible... but why try
[09:53] <snowball> Yeah. I think I'll stay away from that.
[09:54] <roo9> it's just sheer lazyness
[09:54] <roo9> I was too lazy to burn potato && reinstall it
[09:54] <roo9> so I spent a week doing a sid->potato
[09:56] <Synek> hi all
[09:56] <roo9> hi Synek
[09:57] <Synek> sid>potato?
[09:57] <Synek> why? :)
[09:57] <nyktovus> how can i make ubuntu shut the machine down when i say "shut down" in the "computer" menu
[09:58] <nyktovus> it just lingers after its down unmounting etc
[09:58] <calc> nyktovus: does it print a acpi message on the screen ?
[09:59] <paulproteus> Or does it, perhaps, print "Power down" or "Power off"?
[10:03] <Gwildor> any idea why synaptic gives me this error while "reloading"      W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[10:03] <Gwildor> errr, how i can fix it
[10:03] <roo9> Synek: i was drunk, it was a dare, it was a long time ago, i was young and nieve
[10:04] <stuNNed_> Gwildor, temporarily comment out that repo, until apt-get update fixes it.
[10:04] <nyktovus> i dont think it does
[10:04] <Gwildor> stuNNed, and that will be...........
[10:04] <nyktovus> it leaves a "power off" message
[10:04] <stuNNed_> Gwildor, one sec
[10:04] <crimsun> Gwildor: I wrote a wiki page precisely for that.
[10:05] <Gwildor> crimsun, could you kindly post the link?
[10:05] <crimsun> Gwildor: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[10:05] <Gwildor> thnx :)
[10:05] <crimsun> oh dammit, I see an error
[10:06] <paulproteus> :), crimsun
[10:06] <crimsun> there.
[10:06] <Synek>  roo9 : bet you were, drunk all week ;)
[10:07] <roo9> Synek: it was summer.... I was errr 16? so yeah...
[10:09] <Synek> oh, i do believe you - doing sid>potato is much more rare thing than beeing drunk all week :)
[10:10] <nyktovus> so is there a way to make this machine power off itslef?
[10:11] <nyktovus> or do i have to push the button everytime
[10:11] <calc> a newer kernel might fix it
[10:13] <nyktovus> what about putting something in grub
[10:13] <nyktovus> like apm=off or something?
[10:14] <nyktovus> i dont know much about grub
[10:17] <stuNNed_> crimsun, know anything about this error:
[10:17] <stuNNed_> Unpacking replacement python2.3-pycurl ...
[10:17] <stuNNed_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:17] <stuNNed_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-pyorbit_2.0.1-1ubuntu3_i386.deb
[10:17] <stuNNed_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:18] <crimsun> stuNNed_: I had to manually dpkg -i --force-overwrite one package yesterday, but I don't remember which of the python2.4-foos it was
[10:19] <aeruder> i had some issues because of the lack of a gnome2 package for python2.4
[10:19] <aeruder> i'm just waiting until it shows up sometime
[10:19] <aeruder> i have infinite patience now that i have subversion 1.1
[10:19] <aeruder> ;)
[10:20] <miggumike> hey
[10:20] <crimsun> aeruder: will probably appear later today
[10:21] <aeruder> crimsun: cool... i can wait :)
[10:21] <aeruder> its the price i pay for playing the hoary game
[10:21] <nyktovus> i installed vlc, and it didnt add it to the menu
[10:23] <miggumike> how can i get my hotkeys to work on my powerbook?
[10:23] <crimsun> miggumike: search for multimedia keys on the wiki
[10:27] <kuru> I would like to add the java plugin to firefox
[10:27] <crimsun> kuru: check the instructions on the wiki under restricted formats
[10:29] <kuru> crimsun: cool, thanks
[10:31] <kuru> funky..
[10:31] <kuru> works like a charm
[10:32] <kuru> ubuntu really needs to get someone to do a real design for its website ;)
[10:32] <melazyboy> i happen to like their website
[10:33] <melazyboy> compair with others microsoft.com, mandrake.com, novel.com, debian.org
[10:37] <paulproteus> Heh, debian.org
[10:38] <ctd> kuru: What's wrong with the website?
[10:38] <kuru> ctd: horrid colors and.. well, it's stock plone
[10:39] <melazyboy> i happen to like the colors on the other hand
[10:39] <ctd> kuru: They are the ubuntu colors.
[10:39] <ctd> And lets face it, the layout serves it's purpose.
[10:40] <kuru> the layout is fine
[10:40] <kuru> but no one can say that this is the best it can be ;)
[10:40] <kuru> well, i hope not ;)
[10:40] <aeruder> define best
[10:40] <aeruder> ;)
[10:41] <ctd> In what way is there an issue with design?
[10:41] <kuru> paulproteus: no, you got me completely wrong
[10:41] <kuru> oh well, who cares
[10:42] <kuru> it just looks like someone spent 3 minutes setting it up
[10:42] <ctd> It does quiet well in presenting info in a nice light-weight way.
[10:42] <paulproteus> kuru: Got it. :)
[10:42] <ctd> kuru: I'd rather they spent 3-minutes setting it up, and the day they could've spent working on the distribution. ;)
[10:43] <ctd> sorry, that doesn't read very well.
[10:43] <aeruder> we know what you meant :)
[10:43] <ctd> kuru: I'd rather they spent 3-minutes setting it up, rather than a day they could spent working on the distribution. ;)
[10:43] <ctd> That's better. :)
[10:43] <kuru> i don't personally care.. as long as i can find the RestrictedFormat page and get my java on ;)
[10:44] <aeruder> but in general though, most opensource projects have cruddy websites... and people complain or whatever... but open source isn't about motivation by complaints, its motivation by "here's my patch, apply it or die!"
[10:44] <aeruder> so... feel free to design a new ubuntu web site and see what the admins think :)
[10:44] <kuru> aeruder: you can't really do the same with ubuntu
[10:44] <kuru> for example, ubuntu's logo is quite nice
[10:44] <kuru> i really like it
[10:44] <kuru> and someone did spend time thinking about it
[10:44] <kuru> but it's almost like they said.. bah, too much time on this, just set up the site, we got a deadline
[10:44] <kuru> that's the impression i get
[10:44] <ctd> Last time somebody suggested a new website for something, it was awefully heavy-weight compared to a light CSS design.
[10:45] <kuru> ctd: you think plone is light-weight?!
[10:45] <kuru> ctd: have you worked with plone?
[10:45] <ctd> kuru: Not talking about plone specifically -- slug.org.au rather.
[10:46] <kuru> ctd: well, yeah, but plone is rather heavy
[10:46] <ctd> I'm talking about the outputted html. :)
[10:46] <melazyboy> I happen to like the ubuntu website, and think it is one of the most successfull software sites on the web, and after about 5min of using it I can find anything i want when i want to find it, and the colors are easy on the eyes
[10:46] <kuru> melazyboy: cause there isn't a lot of stuff there yet
[10:47] <melazyboy> kuru: what isn't there that needs to be?
[10:47] <kuru> melazyboy: really, if you want to fool yourself into thinking that, that's fine with me.
[10:47] <melazyboy> kuru: what isn't there that needs to be?
[10:47] <paulproteus> melazyboy: I suggest you look at all the other software websites made with Plone, then. ;)
[10:47] <kuru> melazyboy: /win 6
[10:48] <nyktovus> can i uninstall totem
[10:48] <nyktovus> its gay, and useless
[10:48] <paulproteus> melazyboy: Not that I don't like the Ubuntu website; I just think it's not spectacular.
[10:48] <kuru> paulproteus: bingo ;)
[10:48] <paulproteus> nyktovus: I don't have the issue where totem has sex with other totems.  Could you clarify?
[10:48] <kuru> paulproteus: Couldn't of have said it better.
[10:48] <nyktovus> it doesnt play anything
[10:49] <melazyboy> it has everything it needs, or rather that i ever needed from it, and it has a very easy to use layout with colors that won't make the eyes explode
[10:49] <nyktovus> it has an error on every file type
[10:49] <paulproteus> kuru: couldn't have. :)
[10:49] <nyktovus> and i'd rather make vlc my default
[10:49] <paulproteus> nyktovus: You will find it helpful to read about RestrictedFormats on the wiki and enable totem-xine support.
[10:49] <nyktovus> well vlc is already installed
[10:49] <nyktovus> and functions
[10:49] <nyktovus> why should i repair a stupid horse that doesnt run
[10:50] <paulproteus> Sure, then you can remove Totem.  GNOME expects it a little, but it's not essential.
[10:50] <paulproteus> You won't be able to get movie thumbnails generated in Nautilus if you remove it, for example.
[10:51] <nyktovus> well it says it needs to remove ubuntu-desktop as well
[10:51] <nyktovus> :(
[10:51] <nyktovus> is there just a way i can make vlc the default and not totem
[10:51] <crimsun> that's fine, nyktovus
[10:51] <nyktovus> thats fine?
[10:51] <paulproteus> That's a meta-package; when that's installed, you know you have all the components of the default ubuntu desktop.
[10:51] <nyktovus> what is ubuntu-desktop
[10:52] <paulproteus> You can remove it; it's like the sticker on a box that says, "Breaking this seal means you have opened the package."
[10:52] <nyktovus> oh
[10:52] <nyktovus> lame
[10:52] <nyktovus> well the only totem that it say si have is totem-gstreamer
[10:52] <nyktovus> is that totem?
[10:53] <paulproteus> nyktovus: If you bothered to understand what these meta-packages are useful for, you might consider them useful rather than "lame".
[10:53] <crimsun> totem uses gstreamer; totem-xine uses xine.
[10:53] <crimsun> pretty clear if you ask me :)
[10:53] <nyktovus> ok right now i'm finding this a pain in the ass to play any kinda file.. i fail to see how "useful" it is
[10:54] <crimsun> nyktovus: did you follow the restricted formats section on the wiki?
[10:54] <nyktovus> it didnt seem to apply to me
[10:54] <nyktovus> where on that restricted formats page did it even mention wmv playback, and setting a default app
[10:56] <nyktovus> i'll leave totem there so long as i can add vlc to the preferred app list
[10:56] <nyktovus> right now totem is the default and i cant seem to change it
[10:56] <crimsun> you do know that wmv is a restricted format, correct?
[10:56] <crimsun> thus you'll need to add the 'w32codecs' package
[10:56] <nyktovus> uhh. yeah and?
[10:56] <nyktovus> i already have them playing via vlc
[10:57] <nyktovus> so obviously it aint a prob
[10:57] <nyktovus> the prob is when totem starts poking its nosey ass around trying to tell me i NEED to use it cause its default
[10:57] <crimsun> so set the default app using the preferences
[10:57] <nyktovus> so how can i change the default?
[10:57] <nyktovus> using WHAT prefrences?
[10:58] <faked> hi, I just installed ubuntu warty and rebooted the system, after reboot there's no Desktop, only a console-login in, is this normal? or is there a problem with my installation?
[10:58] <domo> elo all
[10:58] <Safari_Al> nyktovus, right click the file in nautilus, choose the "open with" tab and then add vlc there
[10:59] <Safari_Al> nyktovus, right click and then click properties, rather
[10:59] <nyktovus> did it
[10:59] <nyktovus> but mozilla has this strange feeling that totem needs to be used
[10:59] <nyktovus> all the time
[10:59] <Safari_Al> mozilla does not use the GNOME MIME system afaik
[10:59] <nyktovus> ok.
[10:59] <nyktovus> so?
[11:00] <nyktovus> i'm looking for a solution not an symantic argument
[11:00] <Safari_Al> So you may need to configure mozilla's file associations somewhere else.
[11:00] <nyktovus> hmm
[11:00] <nyktovus> ok.
[11:01] <crimsun> I'm not sure why you're choosing to be hostile to people trying to assist you, nyktovus.
[11:01] <nyktovus> cause its seems like the assistance is hostile and condesending
[11:02] <housetier> hmm
[11:02] <housetier> ok.
[11:03] <Safari_Al> nyktovus, firefox has a "file types" section in the "downloads" part of its configuration window
[11:03] <nyktovus> its like everybody wants to just rip me apart for my motive on WHY i wanna use vlc instead of totem
[11:04] <nyktovus> to me it just seems easier
[11:04] <housetier> nyktovus its the name calling that causes some uneasyness
[11:04] <nyktovus> i could sit and REcode totem to actually function.. or i could just set the default to vlc
[11:04] <crimsun> nyktovus: no one's trying to get you to use totem instead of vlc
[11:04] <nyktovus> didnt think i was gonna be berrated by totem-loyalists
[11:04] <nyktovus> :P
[11:05] <crimsun> nyktovus: try to remember that people might tend to be more familiar w/ totem
[11:05] <nyktovus> well totem doesn twork
[11:05] <nyktovus> it failed on everything i threw at it.
[11:05] <Safari_Al> nyktovus, no recoding required.  all you need to do is read the RestrictedFormats wiki page on the ubuntu site, and then follow the instructions there to install totem-xine, as I think it was explained to you earlier.  using vlc or using totem-xine both mean the same thing: installing extra packages.
[11:05] <nyktovus> vlc kicked right over
[11:06] <nyktovus> gotcha
[11:06] <nyktovus> so in this "file types" section of firefox
[11:06] <nyktovus> you cant "add" a filetype
[11:06] <housetier> faked did you install normally, as in not expert install or so?
[11:06] <crimsun> nyktovus: because mozilla-firefox doesn't use the same gconf configuration, it won't be affected by system-wide preferences set in gnome for certain multimedia settings
[11:06] <Safari_Al> nyktovus, I've never configured that part, so you may just have to play around and see what works.
[11:06] <nyktovus> but i did get wmv in there under vlc
[11:06] <nyktovus> but it still trys to use totem everytime
[11:07] <faked> housetier: I think I installed normal, I only manually configured my partitions
[11:08] <housetier> faked ok, when you login can you "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"?
[11:09] <faked> housetier: there also was no xfree86 installed, I justed fetched it with apt-get
[11:09] <housetier> that's strange imho
[11:10] <crimsun> nyktovus: you may use the Configuration Editor to set the application
[11:10] <nyktovus> kool
[11:11] <crimsun> my menus are a bit different because I'm in Hoary, but /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/
[11:11] <faked> housetier: yes it is
[11:11] <crimsun> see mms, mmsh, pnm, rtsp
[11:12] <faked> housetier: but I'm used to apt-get, so I can install all the packages mannually, thanks for help
[11:12] <BlacKnight|> the #debian boys hate you guys
[11:12] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: how's it going
[11:12] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: not bad, yourself?
[11:12] <housetier> faked :)
[11:12] <BlacKnight|> annoyed
[11:12] <BlacKnight|> usb is broken
[11:13] <BlacKnight|> i suspect it never worked
[11:13] <BlacKnight|> my sd card reader works when it's plugged in on bootup
[11:13] <BlacKnight|> but if i unplug it and then plug it in again, it doesn't give me back /dev/sda1
[11:13] <BlacKnight|> the people in #debian are too uppity to actually offer some help
[11:13] <BlacKnight|> i tried in here but noone knew
[11:14] <housetier> BlacKnight| I have the same symptoms with my usb webcam
[11:14] <housetier> haven't ever figured a way around that
[11:14] <BlacKnight|> great
[11:14] <BlacKnight|> that's fantastic
[11:14] <BlacKnight|> my camera doesnt work either
[11:14] <housetier> 'tis
[11:14] <BlacKnight|> same problem
[11:14] <BlacKnight|> i don't get anything in /var/log/messages
[11:14] <BlacKnight|> does any other usb hardware work for you?
[11:14] <housetier> mouse works flawlessly
[11:15] <crimsun> 'night all.
[11:15] <housetier> hmm something just accoured to me
[11:15] <BlacKnight|> you cant help crim?
[11:15] <housetier> BlacKnight| try to remount usbfs
[11:15] <BlacKnight|> occurred?
[11:15] <housetier> maybe that helps, its just a wild guess though
[11:15] <BlacKnight|> does your mouse work if you remove it and plug it in again?
[11:15] <housetier> yes it does
[11:16] <BlacKnight|> how do i unmount usbfs?
[11:16] <housetier> good question :)
[11:17] <housetier> you might need to unload kernel modules
[11:17] <BlacKnight|> i'm dubious as to whether this will actually work
[11:17] <BlacKnight|> not dubious, skeptical
[11:17] <aeruder> usually you just do a umount
[11:17] <crimsun> well, I face a similar situation with 2.6 kernels, BlacKnight|
[11:17] <BlacKnight|> umount usbfs?
[11:17] <BlacKnight|> i'm using 2.6.8 brimsun
[11:17] <housetier> umount -usbfs -a
[11:18] <housetier> erm -tusbfs
[11:18] <BlacKnight|> maybe i should just install debian.. debian seems to work
[11:18] <crimsun> I have to `sudo modprobe -r uhci_hcd && sudo modprobe uhci-hcd'
[11:18] <aeruder> umount /proc/bus/usb
[11:18] <aeruder> but that won't fix it
[11:19] <aeruder> you need to setup udev to have persistent device names for that particular device
[11:19] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: (this is a recurring problem with usb support in Linux 2.6. It works fine in 2.4.)
[11:19] <aeruder> that's the major strength of udev
[11:19] <BlacKnight|> how do i remount it?
[11:19] <BlacKnight|> aeruder: how do i do what you said?
[11:19] <BlacKnight|> and why won't my camera hotplug either?!
[11:20] <aeruder> BlacKnight|: dmesg will always show you what is going on
[11:20] <aeruder> as far as your camera, i have no idea
[11:20] <BlacKnight|> usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 2
[11:20] <BlacKnight|> that was 2 hours ago
[11:20] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: hotplug works best if there is a definition for your device
[11:20] <aeruder> as far as remounting usbfs, do a mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb
[11:20] <aeruder> as far as setting up persistent device names
[11:20] <BlacKnight|> ok so it's remounted.. but the sd reader isn't there
[11:20] <ernstp> howdy!
[11:21] <ernstp> first boot in ubuntu
[11:21] <crimsun> ernstp: welcome
[11:21] <Safari_Al> ernstp, congrats!
[11:21] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: my camera's supported by libgphoto2
[11:21] <BlacKnight|> which i have installed
[11:21] <ernstp> thanks..
[11:21] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: did you try what I suggested regarding uhci-hcd?
[11:21] <BlacKnight|> and which has placed definitions in /etc/hotplug or whatever
[11:21] <BlacKnight|> so remove them? i'm trying now
[11:21] <ernstp> now, I had to try hoary of cource...
[11:21] <aeruder> BlacKnight|: that will not create a /dev device for your camera
[11:22] <BlacKnight|> so what's -r?
[11:22] <BlacKnight|> remove?
[11:22] <crimsun> yes
[11:22] <BlacKnight|> and now what?
[11:22] <ernstp> and, gnome acting a bit strange. any other Gnome Hoary users here?
[11:22] <aeruder> libgphoto2 is probably using libusb (user space usb drivers )
[11:22] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: reinsert uhci-hcd
[11:22] <BlacKnight|> with my camera on?
[11:22] <nyktovus> ok so is there something i can put in grub's menu.list that will make my machine actually shut off instead of just halting and saying "power down"
[11:22] <nyktovus> ??
[11:22] <BlacKnight|> aeruder: what are the implications of that?
[11:23] <aeruder> BlacKnight|: none.. just that you won't necessarily get a /dev device
[11:23] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: ok i reinserted...
[11:23] <ernstp> nyktovus, nope
[11:23] <nyktovus> wha??? what about apm=off
[11:23] <crimsun> nyktovus: what's your current /proc/cmdline? you can try playing with acpi settings
[11:23] <ernstp> nyktovus, that list has nothing with that to do
[11:23] <BlacKnight|> i don't even get a /dev/bus/usb/blah/blah
[11:23] <aeruder> BlacKnight|: as far as udev persistent naming goes, you should do a google for persistent udev
[11:23] <aeruder> BlacKnight|: do you get anything in dmesg?
[11:23] <nyktovus> well windows turns the machine off ok.
[11:23] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: is usbfs mounted?
[11:24] <nyktovus> and i had another linux box with the same prob.. all i had to do was add some kinda line in lilo.conf
[11:24] <ernstp> .fdi files in /usr/share/hal/fdi do some things for hal
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #2
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.1 to 64
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: irq 177, io base 0000ef00
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> hub 2-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.2[C]  -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 185
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #3
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.2 to 64
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: irq 185, io base 0000ef20
[11:24] <aeruder> er. woah man
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3
[11:24] <crimsun> wow dude.
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
[11:24] <nyktovus> i'm not familiar with grub at all
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.3[A]  -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 169
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.3: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #4
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.3 to 64
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.3: irq 169, io base 0000ef40
[11:24] <ernstp> noone else having trouble with gnome in hoary?
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.3: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> hub 4-0:1.0: USB hub found
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> hub 4-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> shit sorry
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> sorry sorry
[11:24] <aeruder> oi
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> well that was dmesg :P
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> it wasn't meant to go into the channel though
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: yeah it's mounted
[11:25] <BlacKnight|> but i still don't have a /dev/sda1 for the sd card
[11:25] <crimsun> ernstp: current gnome is undergoing a python2.4 transition. Stuff is going to be screwed for a day or two more at least.
[11:26] <ernstp> crimsun, but I don't think this is it...
[11:26] <ernstp> many gnome apps don't start
[11:27] <BlacKnight|> hrmm it sounds like my problem is a bit atypical guys
[11:27] <ernstp> if I strace totem, it hangs when i select open
[11:27] <ernstp> on this: futex(0x5a4fc0, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL
[11:28] <BlacKnight|> am i supposed to get something in /var/log/messages when i plug a usb device in?!?!?!
[11:29] <crimsun> well, you should at least get something in `dmesg', BlacKnight|
[11:29] <aeruder> perhaps... but you should at least get somethi... yea
[11:29] <BlacKnight|> nope
[11:29] <BlacKnight|> nothign...
[11:29] <BlacKnight|> could it be bios?
[11:29] <BlacKnight|> oh, did i tell you about the biospnp error that i got?
[11:30] <BlacKnight|> could that be in any way related?
[11:31] <crimsun> there's a remote possibility, but the probability is extremely low
[11:32] <spikeb> i have no usb devices, so i won't be helpful in here either
[11:32] <spikeb> however, i decided to come along for the discussion :)
[11:32] <BlacKnight|> the discussion seems to have died...
[11:32] <spikeb> heh
[11:32] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: so what the hell could it be?
[11:32] <spikeb> figures. i'll hang anyway
[11:32] <domo> someone know how to stop the automatique reboot of X, I know that I can change the executable right of gdm and reboot, but I would like to do that more proprely
[11:32] <spikeb> i've used ubuntu before as well
[11:33] <BlacKnight|> someone in #debian suggested disabling sound, acpi and apic
[11:33] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: do you have ehci_hcd loaded?
[11:33] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: yeah, and usb_storage
[11:33] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: I have to boot with noapic to get usb devices to work
[11:33] <BlacKnight|> ubuntu's very good at loading the right modules
[11:33] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: ahhh
[11:33] <crimsun> (and my motherboard's bios is so terrible wrt acpi that the model is blacklisted in the kernel)
[11:33] <BlacKnight|> maybe i should try that?
[11:33] <spikeb> heh
[11:33] <BlacKnight|> what do i have to add to grub?
[11:34] <spikeb> yeah i disable acpi too
[11:34] <spikeb> acpi=off
[11:34] <paulproteus> (what about nolapic?)
[11:34] <BlacKnight|> spikeb: what's with guerin?
[11:34] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: he's a debian user
[11:34] <BlacKnight|> hahaha
[11:34] <crimsun> paulproteus: (for me, makes no difference from not booting with nolapic)
[11:34] <BlacKnight|> but there are so many debian users
[11:35] <BlacKnight|> sorry, good, useful debian users
[11:35] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: we have a few elitist asshats amongst our ranks
[11:35] <BlacKnight|> why do they tolerate being let down by that loser?
[11:35] <spikeb> probably more than our fair share.
[11:35] <crimsun> there are zealots everywhere.
[11:35] <BlacKnight|> well why not put them in their place
[11:35] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: because he's saying what many developers actually THINK
[11:35] <domo> someone can help me ?
[11:35] <spikeb> bofh syndrome
[11:35] <BlacKnight|> bofh?
[11:35] <paulproteus> domo: Maybe.  If you ask a question, we might answer it.
[11:35] <paulproteus> :)
[11:36] <domo> someone know how to stop the automatique reboot of X, I know that I can change the executable right of gdm and reboot, but I would like to do that more proprely
[11:36] <tuxJr_14> hi guys
[11:36] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: bastard operator from hell
[11:36] <domo> that's I did :)
[11:36] <ryanmcgregor> Hey, I am considering upgrading to the testing hoary branch. Do upgrades generally break add-on applications (eg Firefox 1.0, Thunderbird 1.0, RealPlayer, Skype, etc.)
[11:36] <crimsun> domo: I'm not sure what you mean by "automatic reboot of X"
[11:36] <paulproteus> domo: Do you mean you want to stop GDM from starting on boot?
[11:36] <domo> yep
[11:36] <spikeb> ryanmcgregor: depends.
[11:36] <spikeb> heh
[11:36] <domo> exactly
[11:36] <BlacKnight|> ok wish me luck
[11:36] <BlacKnight|> i'm about to reboot
[11:36] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: good luck
[11:36] <BlacKnight|> -detached
[11:37] <crimsun> domo: sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[11:37] <ryanmcgregor> spikeb: Will just simply redownloading the application and reinstalling it fix the problem?
[11:37] <domo> But I just want to do that for install a driver
[11:37] <spikeb> ryanmcgregor: again, depends. most likely, but not if hoary has silly or broken libraries
[11:37] <crimsun> domo: to install what driver?
[11:37] <domo> I know that I can reboot in rescue mode
[11:37] <crimsun> domo: nvidia?
[11:37] <paulproteus> domo: You can also change the contents of /etc/X11/default-display-manager .
[11:38] <domo> nope a Intel drivers for my graphiccard
[11:38] <paulproteus> right now it contains "/usr/bin/gdm".  If you change it to something else, gdm won't start on boot.
[11:38] <ryanmcgregor> spikeb: Alright, thx
[11:38] <paulproteus> If you change it back to having the contents "/usr/bin/gdm", then it will start on boot again.
[11:38] <spikeb> ryanmcgregor: you bet. :)
[11:38] <domo> ok so I just comment /usr/bin/gdm
[11:38] <paulproteus> Sure, that'd be fine.
[11:38] <domo> I will try and I come back
[11:38] <domo> Thanx
[11:38] <paulproteus> domo: Great, see you soon. :)
[11:38] <spikeb> good luck
[11:41] <domo> did I have to reboot ? cause if I just kill X with ctrl+alt+backspace, that didn't work
[11:42] <crimsun> you'd have to at least change runlevels from and back to 2, yes.
[11:42] <paulproteus> domo: You must run /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:42] <paulproteus> As root.  That will prevent it from respawning, as well as kill the current GDM session.
[11:42] <ztonzy> morning :)
[11:42] <BlacKnight|> hrmm
[11:42] <BlacKnight|> no luck
[11:43] <BlacKnight|> does this ring any bells?
[11:43] <BlacKnight|> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[11:43] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: that's a non-fatal error in this context; ignore it.
[11:43] <spikeb> no idea what pciehp is
[11:43] <crimsun> nearly everyone will get that error.
[11:43] <BlacKnight|> ajay@ajay:~ $ hotplug usb
[11:43] <karlheg> This X.org server is really nice.  The fonts that get chosen are a lot more readable.
[11:43] <BlacKnight|> Bad USB agent invocation, no action
[11:43] <BlacKnight|> how about that?
[11:43] <BlacKnight|> is that me being a noob?
[11:44] <BlacKnight|> plug/unplug usb device still dooes nothing
[11:44] <domo> /etc/init./gdm stop > that just percfect
[11:44] <domo> thanks a lot
[11:44] <karlheg> It looks way better than XFree86 did, and on at least this i855GM, I get DRI now too.
[11:44] <BlacKnight|> should i try your modprobe -r uhci_hcd ?
[11:44] <karlheg> I am very happy that they went to X.org with Hoary!  It's a lot better now.
[11:45] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: I use that command because I only have USB 1.1 support on my motherboard
[11:45] <BlacKnight|> any other ideas?
[11:45] <BlacKnight|> new bios?
[11:45] <karlheg> paulproteus, what is wrong with your GDM configuration?  (I just got here; maybe I can help?)
[11:45] <BlacKnight|> hrmm crimsun: are you going to be around in a couple of hours?
[11:46] <paulproteus> karlheg: No, I'm advising domo.
[11:46] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: that should go without saying - always use the latest bios
[11:46] <karlheg> spikeb, I bet pcihp is "pci hot plug".
[11:46] <karlheg> What's the issue?  Maybe I can help?
[11:46] <BlacKnight|> haha ok i'll try it spikeb
[11:46] <BlacKnight|> karlheg: my usb is b0rked
[11:46] <BlacKnight|> fix it
[11:46] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: especially if you're like me and have a rather retarded motherboard
[11:47] <karlheg> Ah, I seen now; got it to stop / start via the init.d script was it?
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> while i goto coles and buy stuff for gettnig drunk on the beach
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> spikeb: which one?
[11:47] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: i have an abit kt7a 1.3
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> ok
[11:47] <spikeb> most. retarded.board.ever.
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> hahah
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> mine'd be good if it wasnb't made of recycled human faeces
[11:47] <spikeb> thankfully, this box will soon be a server and in the closet and out of my hair
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> ok really should run
[11:48] <BlacKnight|> tasty
[11:48] <BlacKnight|> "ahll be back"
[11:48] <karlheg> BlacKnight|, I've had problems with USB on some hardware.  What host controller driver is hotplug loading?  uhci, ohci, ehci?
[11:48] <spikeb> ok ahnold
[11:48] <BlacKnight|> all of the above?
[11:48] <karlheg> On an HP Pavilion, I could not get USB cameras to work right that work fine on other computers.
[11:48] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd,
[11:48] <spikeb> heh
[11:48] <BlacKnight|> no ohci
[11:49] <BlacKnight|> karlheg: i can't get any usb devices to even register as being plugged in~
[11:49] <karlheg> It used the ohci_hcd rather than the uhci_hcd.  (ehci_hcd is for USB 2.0)
[11:49] <karlheg> I think that the ohci_hcd is probably not as well tested or that the hardware tends to be flakey.
[11:49] <karlheg> Most machines I've used have the uhci_hcd kind and work pretty well.
[11:50] <BlacKnight|> but why does the reader work when i boot up?
[11:50] <BlacKnight|> until i disconnect it...?
[11:50] <spikeb> sounds like a project utopia bug
[11:50] <BlacKnight|> ?
[11:51] <spikeb> project utopia is hotplug + udev+gnome volume manager + hald
[11:51] <karlheg> Not sure.
[11:51] <spikeb> everything that makes hotplugging work
[11:51] <spikeb> or not work, in this case
[11:51] <BlacKnight|> aaaaaaah
[11:51] <BlacKnight|> ok i'll figure it out when i get home
[11:51] <BlacKnight|> bbl
[11:52] <karlheg> Try google and see.  What specific computer hardware model is it?  what mainboard or manufacturer?
[11:52] <karlheg> Google for that + linux usb ohci
[11:58] <bitserf> anyone using the very latest (today) packages in hoary? my top panel has become somewhat empty. (no applets at all, completely blank). only the bottom one works. i whacked ~/.gnome* and ~/.gconf*, with the same result though :)
[11:59] <paulproteus> "Bleeding from the cutting-edge, eh?"
[11:59] <paulproteus> ;)
[12:00] <paulproteus> I used to use Debian Unstable, but it's Warty now on machines I want to be useful. :)
[12:01] <paulproteus> bitserf: Not crazy at all.  I fully understand. :)
[12:01] <housetier> crazy = apt-get -t experimental dist-upgrade :)
[12:01] <spikeb> heh
[12:01] <spikeb> no kidding
[12:01] <paulproteus> bitserf: While I'm chatting with someone like you, can you tell me if your version of Nautilus can properly handle remote SFTP/SSH directories through GNOME-VFS?
[12:02] <paulproteus> It seems Warty's can't.
[12:03] <spikeb> is hoary running gnome 2.9.x?
[12:03] <bitserf> paul: it seems nautilus is one of my apps which is currently busted, sorry :(
[12:03] <karlheg> The python transition got hairy.  I use 'aptitude' rather than 'synaptic', so it was a cinch to put them all on hold.  I used 'l' to limit the view to '~b', then used '=' on the section headings to mark them for 'hold' en-masse.
[12:03] <ironwolf> bitserf: I've seen the panels go away too.. enough reboots they come back.  I assume Daniels is working on it.
[12:03] <karlheg> Later on when they get them all uploaded, I'll let it upgrade them.
[12:04] <bitserf> karl: hmm, nice tip, thanks
[12:04] <karlheg> aptitude install less ssh
[12:04] <karlheg> ... is what I always type after a Debian install.
[12:05] <karlheg> :-)
[12:05] <spikeb> heh
[12:05] <karlheg> noman
[12:07] <housetier> wow I just learned something useful about aptitude, thanks karlheg
[12:07] <housetier> this l ~b thing sounds like a timesaver to me
[12:08] <paulproteus> I think aptitude is widely misunderstood.
[12:08] <karlheg>  / ~b is also.
[12:08] <paulproteus> Like a gifted but ugly child.
[12:08] <paulproteus> :)
[12:08] <spikeb> heh
[12:08] <karlheg> It's not ugly.
[12:08] <spikeb> are you guys going to help get xorg into sid as well?
[12:09] <housetier> I had been /-ing for ~b before
[12:09] <housetier> but its tedious if you have a lot of b's
[12:09] <karlheg> The TUI is great, since it works over a ssh connection to a headless server.  In gnome-terminal or xterm, the mouse works on it also.
[12:09] <karlheg> spikeb, Does a warthog shit in the woods?
[12:10] <spikeb> sometimes.
[12:10] <karlheg> I bet they will.
[12:10] <spikeb> :P
[12:10] <paulproteus> karlheg: ?
[12:10] <karlheg> Please, not on the rug!
[12:11] <karlheg> "Does a bear shit in the woods?" is a way of saying "yes"... Americana.
[12:12] <khinester> hello
[12:12] <paulproteus> karlheg: Right. :)
[12:12] <karlheg> khinester, Hello.
[12:12] <khinester> how do i add the RewriteEngine within the apache conf file
[12:12] <khinester> karlheg: hello
[12:13] <karlheg> cd /etc/apache2 && ls
[12:13] <karlheg> cd mods-enabled && ls
[12:14] <karlheg> ln -s ../mods-available/<whatever> .
[12:14] <karlheg> http://localhost/manual/
[12:16] <khinester> ok i think i see it, so i need to sym link the mods-available into the mods-enabled dir
[12:16] <karlheg> The module load and config file from the available into the enabled, yes.
[12:17] <karlheg> There's probably a cli tool to do it, as an interface to be used by maintainer scripts, but doing it by hand will probably always work.
[12:17] <khinester> sorry new to unix, what is cli
[12:17] <paulproteus> command line interface
[12:18] <karlheg> command line interface
[12:18] <khinester> duh
[12:18] <paulproteus> As compared to graphical user interface (gui)
[12:18] <khinester> thx
[12:18] <karlheg> jinx
[12:18] <paulproteus> Sure thing. :)
[12:18] <paulproteus> heh, karlheg
[12:18] <karlheg> Huh?
[12:19] <karlheg> If you install 'dict-foldoc', 'dict-vera', 'dict-gcide', etc, then point the dictionary lookup applet at localhost, you can look that up.
[12:19] <karlheg> 'dict-wordnet'.
[12:20] <paulproteus> Or you could just use the Internet dict.
[12:20] <karlheg> Very handy on a laptop in english class.
[12:20] <karlheg> paulproteus, Sure, but not while off-line.
[12:20] <karlheg> I like it on localhost.
[12:21] <khinester> one more question
[12:22] <karlheg> I'm having issues with my new LinkSYS WRT54G which I've just re-flashed with the OpenWRT firmware...  I need to sign off for a while -- my link will be bouncing until I fix it.  Later on, folks.
[12:22] <karlheg> ?
[12:22] <karlheg> khinester, ?
[12:22] <khinester> on the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled do i have to create a file for each virual host
[12:23] <khinester> or can i put the rewrite rules into the default file
[12:23] <paulproteus> That's good practice, khinester, though not required.
[12:23] <paulproteus> Ciao, karlheg.
[12:23] <karlheg> khinester, You can if you like, if that seems appropriate.  Put them in sites-available and symlink to them from sites-enabled so you can turn them on and off at will.
[12:23] <karlheg> Learn about mod_macro.
[12:23] <karlheg> You can make a macro and use it multiple times for various simalarly configured VH.
[12:24] <agenteo> can you suggest me an app to print an image from ubuntu? GIMP doesn't print on my PC...
[12:24] <karlheg> Or for related https/http sites, with mod_rewrite redirects to flick between them as appropriate for different sections.
[12:24] <karlheg> ... it can get complicated.
[12:25] <karlheg> ls -d /usr/share/doc/*apache*
[12:25] <karlheg> Have a nice trip.  Gotta go now.
[12:25] <paulproteus> agenteo: Firefox should be one.
[12:25] <khinester> i am using mod_rewrite to access hosts on a zope server, but for some reason the mod_rewrite is not rewriting to this
[12:26] <agenteo> paulproteus: I've used oo.org thinks it should works until I found out what the hell GIMP wants
[12:26] <agenteo> paulproteus: thanks :-)
[12:27] <khinester> this is  my rule
[12:27] <khinester> <VirtualHost *>
[12:27] <khinester>         ServerName  dev.hostname.com
[12:27] <khinester>         RewriteEngine On
[12:27] <khinester>         RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://localhost:9080/traveluni/bahamas_expert/$1?REAL_HOST=%{HTTP_HOST}&REAL_PATH=$1 [QSA,P] 
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[12:29] <StevenR_Ubuntu> well that was an easy install :) Ubuntu running on an old harddisk now :D
[12:30] <paulproteus> Glad to hear it, StevenR_Ubuntu. :)
[12:32] <StevenR_Ubuntu> hmmm...1st of probably many questions....what's the difference between removal and complete removal of a package in synaptic?
[12:35] <hazmat> is the source for rosetta available?
[12:40] <burnez> good morning!
[12:40] <Aure> afternoon for me ;)
[12:40] <paulproteus> StevenR_Ubuntu: "complete" is probably synonymous with --purge on the command-line
[12:40] <burnez> yeah, for me midday
[12:40] <paulproteus> using --purge removes configuration files as well as program files.
[12:41] <khinester> bye all
[12:41] <burnez> does onyone have a "sudo: unable to lookup  via gethostbyname()" problem?
[12:42] <paulproteus> burnez: You should ensure that your hostname (as defined in /etc/hostname) maps to an IP address.
[12:42] <paulproteus> If you're not always connected to the Internet, you can add a mapping in /etc/hosts.
[12:42] <burnez> but i do not have a hostname...
[12:44] <burnez> here is, what my /etc/hosts looks like: "127.0.0.1 localhost DeBiAn-BoX localhost.localdomain"
[12:44] <paulproteus> What does your /etc/hostname say?
[12:44] <paulproteus> Alternately, what is the output of the 'hostname' command?
[12:45] <burnez> there is also that error, that gnome won't work propperly when i lock-in, that says that.
[12:45] <burnez> 1moment
[12:45] <paulproteus> Great, thanks.
[12:45] <burnez> nothing.
[12:46] <burnez> "Great, thanks." I have to thank you!
[12:46] <paulproteus> What does /etc/hostname contain?
[12:46] <burnez> that's it: nothing
[12:46] <paulproteus> Oh.  That's sad.
[12:46] <burnez> should I add somethin?
[12:46] <paulproteus> You should give your computer a hostname.
[12:46] <paulproteus> Make up a name! :)
[12:46] <domo> hi again
[12:47] <burnez> hmm, and which one?
[12:47] <paulproteus> Welcome back, domo.
[12:47] <burnez> localhost??
[12:47] <paulproteus> Something of your choice, burnez.
[12:47] <paulproteus> If you really want to, localhost is fine.
[12:47] <paulproteus> It's a bit boring, but okay.
[12:47] <paulproteus> My laptop is called 'baroque'; my desktop is called 'renaissance'.
[12:47] <burnez> okay, I will have a try..
[12:47] <domo> one more little pb: I have this kernel's version  2.6.8.1-3-386 and I  look for the kernel source but I only find the 2.6.7 version
[12:47] <burnez> ;)
[12:48] <paulproteus> Once you decide on a name, tell me, and I'll tell you how to give your computer that name.
[12:48] <burnez> AcIdHeAd would be fine
[12:48] <domo> someone know where to find the 2.6.8 kernel-source version ?
[12:48] <uuuu> greetings all ubuntu guru masters
[12:49] <paulproteus> by convention, the first letter at least must be lowercase.
[12:49] <domo> hi uuuu
[12:49] <burnez> ahh, okay.
[12:49] <burnez> aCiDhEaD
[12:49] <burnez> an now?
[12:49] <paulproteus> Great.
[12:49] <paulproteus> Now run:
[12:49] <paulproteus> sudo hostname aCiDhEaD
[12:49] <paulproteus> And also add that word next to localhost in /etc/hosts.
[12:51] <burnez> 'k
[12:52] <paulproteus> Now you should no longer have this problem.
[12:52] <[dEvIL-bOY] > ok!!!
[12:52] <burnez> thank you very much!
[12:52] <burnez> it worked!!
[12:52] <burnez> :)
[12:52] <domo> :)
[12:52] <[dEvIL-bOY] > like i was saying....
[12:52] <paulproteus> My pleasure, burnez.
[12:52] <paulproteus> Now one more thing:
[12:52] <[dEvIL-bOY] > is there anyone here who knows about airsnort?
[12:52] <paulproteus> Could you add a page to the wiki telling what you did?
[12:52] <paulproteus> [dEvIL-bOY] : Just a little.
[12:53] <paulproteus> weplab (weplabs) is better.
[12:53] <paulproteus> I took a course from the guy who wrote airsnort's algorithm, actually.
[12:53] <[dEvIL-bOY] > does it do the same?
[12:53] <paulproteus> Same thing, just faster.
[12:53] <[dEvIL-bOY] > bullshit!!!
[12:53] <burnez> sure... but my English is not that good..
[12:53] <[dEvIL-bOY] > :P
[12:53] <paulproteus> burnez: Write it up with a note saying your English isn't good, and someone else will come by and fix it. :)
[12:53] <paulproteus> That's the nice thing about wikis.
[12:53] <[dEvIL-bOY] > but do you know if i can install weplabs from synaptic?
[12:54] <burnez> oh, u did not talk to me.. fine! Thank you very much, paulproteus
[12:54] <[dEvIL-bOY] > i have searched for it
[12:54] <[dEvIL-bOY] > and no joy
[12:54] <paulproteus> [dEvIL-bOY] : No, it's not.
[12:54] <[dEvIL-bOY] > paulproteus, come on! could you please share your wisdom with us?
[12:54] <paulproteus> Airsnort is fine, then, and easiest.
[12:54] <[dEvIL-bOY] > hummmm..
[12:55] <paulproteus> I've only ever used airsnort anyway.
[12:55] <burnez> 'k, thanx again and cy'all!
[12:55] <paulproteus> Ciao, burnez.
[12:55] <[dEvIL-bOY] > you see when i run airsnort it gives me a error message saying could not start monitor
[12:55] <[dEvIL-bOY] > you see when i run airsnort it gives me a error message saying could not start monitor mode
[12:55] <[dEvIL-bOY] > do you have the same problem?
[12:56] <[dEvIL-bOY] > and another issue with my ubuntu, i add to a panel a battery status but it doesn't work as it should
[12:56] <paulproteus> [dEvIL-bOY] : Its ability to do that will depend on your driver.
[12:57] <[dEvIL-bOY] > it's plugged into the mains and it says running on battery
[12:57] <paulproteus> For some drivers, you need to patch them and rebuild them.
[12:57] <[dEvIL-bOY] > but i would imagine that orinoco driveres would work fine
[12:57] <[dEvIL-bOY] > although i haven't installed any drivers
[12:57] <paulproteus> I had to patch my orinoco for monitor mode.
[12:57] <[dEvIL-bOY] > ahhh
[12:57] <paulproteus> As for battery, I don't really know about that.
[12:58] <[dEvIL-bOY] > could you possibly tell me that patch name to see if i can find it?
[12:58] <[dEvIL-bOY] > please
[12:58] <bitserf> right, whoever suggested i reboot, thanks. i never thought the day would arrive i'd need a reboot to get my panels to work :) i did a single user mode, which i thought was equivalent, but apparently not...wonder if it was related to nautilus &c being blocked on a futex() syscall...seen bugginess w.r.t. to that on Fedora before
[12:58] <paulproteus> You should go to the web site for airsnort and look there.
[12:59] <paulproteus> bitserf: Awesome, glad to hear it.
[12:59] <paulproteus> Hey, does Nautilus' SFTP/SSH GNOME-VFS work, then?
[12:59] <[dEvIL-bOY] > paulproteus,  you see the thing is i haven't installed anything yet without the synaptic package manager
[12:59] <[dEvIL-bOY] > as I don't know any better
[01:00] <[dEvIL-bOY] > and then, their website must have loads of patches
[01:00] <paulproteus> [dEvIL-bOY] : To make this work, it'll take work.  So going to the airsnort site is the first place to look.
[01:00] <[dEvIL-bOY] > ok
[01:00] <[dEvIL-bOY] > will do
[01:01] <[dEvIL-bOY] > paulproteus,  how to find out which is my driver version?
[01:02] <andrea> hi, guys
[01:02] <tmp> i cant chnage the default text editor, now i'm stuck with using gedit ? any idea if there is a work around to this ?
[01:03] <[dEvIL-bOY] > tic tac tic tac
[01:04] <paulproteus> Sorry, I have to go.  I will probably be back later.
[01:04] <saoul> hi
[01:04] <paulproteus> [dEvIL-bOY] : It's been so long I don't remember; I'd just read the information on the site.
[01:04] <bitserf> paul: hmm, it appears not. i tried typing in an sftp:// URI, and also the Connect To Server  method
[01:04] <[dEvIL-bOY] > i'm reading it as well, there's the command and all that
[01:04] <[dEvIL-bOY] > but which one to download
[01:05] <bitserf> paul: running ethereal shows SSH traffic going across though (don't know SSH protocol well enough to comment on why its failing), it just never prompted me for authentication credentials
[01:05] <[dEvIL-bOY] > hey peeps
[01:06] <[dEvIL-bOY] > is there any command that i can type in a terminal to see my drivers version for a wireless card
[01:06] <[dEvIL-bOY] > on my device manager it says unknwon
[01:08] <bitserf> mein gott...the new find-as-you type stuff for tree/list views in gtk 2.6.x is awesome
[01:08] <bitserf> (pops up a little textbox if it has focus, typing moves selected item to matches)
[01:08] <rjek> Hello.
[01:09] <rjek> Anybody who was/is at the conference know when Kinnison left/is leaving?
[01:13] <bitserf> paul: seems i spoke too soon...i can SFTP into boxes for which i've set up SSH key auth
[01:16] <guerriero> aho
[01:16] <guerriero> ci seite
[01:16] <guerriero> siete
[01:26] <Ad__> hello
[01:28] <__learner__> Hi. I would like to know a good cd burning program
[01:29] <StevenR_Ubuntu> __learner__: k3b
[01:29] <__learner__> K3b, will it work under Gnome
[01:29] <__learner__> does K3B have a GUI?
[01:29] <__learner__> I want something I can use like Nero. Because I need other people to use it to.
[01:29] <StevenR_Ubuntu> __learner__: no. It is a gui frontend to cdrecord
[01:30] <__learner__> tx. So I need to get cdrecord and K3b?
[01:30] <StevenR_Ubuntu> __learner__: well synaptic should resolve dependancies for oyu
[01:30] <StevenR_Ubuntu> *you
[01:30] <__learner__> tx
[01:31] <__learner__> Isn't there any gnome compatible version?
[01:32] <StevenR_Ubuntu> not of k3b (note the k :) )
[01:32] <StevenR_Ubuntu> maybe gnomebaker
[01:35] <__learner__> I installed K3B, will it work?
[01:36] <StevenR_Ubuntu> __learner__: you wont know until you try :)
[01:36] <__learner__> yeah, it's downloading right now.
[01:37] <Josephus> hoary is like sid in debian?
[01:37] <Josephus> i mean the number of broken packages, bugfixes
[01:37] <thenuke> haha :) it took about 20minutes or more to boot ubuntu LiveCD on my laptop :D
[01:38] <__learner__> this is on theyr website: Cdrecord won't run anymore when configured suid root. The reason is that the new kernel forbids suid root programs to use the SCSI subsystem - have you tried it with ubuntu?
[01:38] <johann_> hi any ubuntu chessplayers here
[01:38] <thenuke> Josephus: hoary is the upcoming version and is unstable atm
[01:39] <thenuke> __learner__: I used k3b, works ok when it is run as a root
[01:40] <Josephus> thenuke: i know, but i pulled firefox 1.0 from hoary, and it updated something by dependency, and my warty gdm is not working. so othe question is how unstable is it?
[01:40] <__learner__> just sudo k3b?
[01:40] <Josephus> i've been using debian/sid before ubuntu
[01:40] <[dEvIL-bOY] > helloz
[01:41] <[dEvIL-bOY] > how do i add a search engine to firefox?
[01:41] <[dEvIL-bOY] > it used to be so simple in windows
[01:41] <IRCMonkey> ciao
[01:44] <johann_> devil-boy : sudo firefox add the search engine when a normal user launches firefox it will be there.
[01:45] <johann_> no chess players?
[01:45] <[dEvIL-bOY] > so it would be something lie sudo firefox imdb
[01:45] <[dEvIL-bOY] > ?
[01:46] <johann_> open root terminal : type sudo firefox
[01:46] <thenuke> no need for sudo if you use root terminal
[01:46] <johann_> true
[01:47] <[dEvIL-bOY] > nope, i'm not using root
[01:47] <[dEvIL-bOY] > i might mess it up
[01:48] <johann_> from normal terminal type sudo firefox
[01:48] <[dEvIL-bOY] > gotcha
[01:48] <[dEvIL-bOY] > so basicly whenever i want to do changes to applications and stuff i need to use the sudo command
[01:48] <[dEvIL-bOY] > right?
[01:49] <johann_> not always but firefox requires it for certain tasks
[01:49] <[dEvIL-bOY] > ok
[01:49] <[dEvIL-bOY] > sweet as!
[01:49] <johann_> extensions and themes don't require it but security updates etc do
[01:49] <[dEvIL-bOY] > another question
[01:50] <[dEvIL-bOY] > how to find out drivers version on ubuntu?
[01:50] <johann_> for what in particular
[01:50] <[dEvIL-bOY] > humm..
[01:50] <[dEvIL-bOY] > wireless on board card
[01:51] <[dEvIL-bOY] > i'm trying to patch my orinoco card so i can use airsnort
[01:51] <[dEvIL-bOY] > but no joy :(
[01:51] <[dEvIL-bOY] > i don't know which version to download
[01:51] <johann_> sorry I can't help with that one
[01:52] <[dEvIL-bOY] > it's all good
[01:52] <[dEvIL-bOY] > what type of multiplayer games have we got available for ubuntu?
[01:53] <[dEvIL-bOY] > ok
[01:54] <[dEvIL-bOY] > what about bit torrent? i installed a version from synaptic
[01:54] <[dEvIL-bOY] > now i downloaded a torrent
[01:54] <[dEvIL-bOY] > and it gave me an error running application
[01:56] <[dEvIL-bOY] > which of the following types of linux is ubuntu? Linux GTK  Linux Motif  Linux PPC  Linux AMD64
[01:57] <[dEvIL-bOY] > ppc?
[01:57] <[dEvIL-bOY] > laptop p4?
[01:57] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOY] : those are not types of linux
[01:58] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOY] : ubuntu is GNU/Linux based on Debian
[01:58] <scizzo> GTK is a interface thingy and so is motif
[01:58] <[dEvIL-bOY] > humm..
[01:59] <[dEvIL-bOY] > sounds a bit complicated
[01:59] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOY] : www,gtk.org
[01:59] <[dEvIL-bOY] > interface between machine and software?
[01:59] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOY] : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/
[01:59] <scizzo> read that instead
[02:00] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOY] : Debian is multiplatform thingy...
[02:02] <[dEvIL-bOY] > scizzo, so if i wanted to download a software that was asking me the options for the interface
[02:02] <[dEvIL-bOY] > which one would i choose ? any?
[02:03] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOY] : well....do you know of any options?
[02:03] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOY] : might happen that you could do that later with the software..
[02:03] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOY] : leave it blank if you don't know
[02:03] <scizzo> hold on
[02:03] <scizzo> what software?
[02:04] <scizzo> Linux GTK in that case
[02:04] <[dEvIL-bOY] > http://azureus.sourceforge.net/download.php
[02:04] <superted> any russians here?
[02:04] <scizzo> which means you are using Linux with a interface that is GTK based
[02:04] <[dEvIL-bOY] > so can i have that for future reference
[02:04] <[dEvIL-bOY] > or it's different in different cases/
[02:04] <[dEvIL-bOY] > ?
[02:05] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOY] : that depends on how the software is compiled
[02:05] <[dEvIL-bOY] > ...
[02:05] <scizzo> well..its different anyway
[02:06] <scizzo> in this case..if you are using GNOME and so on for Ubuntu its GTK
[02:06] <[dEvIL-bOY] > gotcha
[02:06] <[dEvIL-bOY] > scizzo, could you talk me trhough an installation?
[02:07] <The_Nalf> scizzo: ? hey scizzo :)) (fabrice #gnomemeeting)
[02:08] <scizzo> The_Nalf: y0 The_Nalf :)
[02:08] <scizzo> [dEvIL-bOY] : ummm
[02:10] <[dEvIL-bOY] > well i never installed anything and now i have something that i need to install in tar.bz2
[02:10] <[dEvIL-bOY] > ....
[02:14] <scizzo> tar xjvf file.tar.bz2
[02:18] <BlacKnight|> so who's around?
[02:22] <trukulo> hi ppl
[02:26] <[dEvIL-bOY] > how can i have access to a windows pc trough a network?
[02:26] <Deathy> hi. does warty 4.10 have support for multi-processor systems? I need to install it on a dual Xeon
[02:26] <[dEvIL-bOY] > i have access to one pc on my network but the one i need to have access doesn't let me access it
[02:26] <rjek> What do you want to do?  Just access the files on it, or remote control it?
[02:26] <[dEvIL-bOY] > files in it
[02:28] <paulproteus> Deathy: Yes.  It has an SMP kernel you can apt-get.
[02:28] <rjek> [dEvIL-bOY] : OK.  Can you ping the Windows box you're trying to access?
[02:29] <[dEvIL-bOY] > i'll try
[02:29] <rjek> [dEvIL-bOY] : Also, what error, if any, is it reporting when you try to access files on it?
[02:29] <[dEvIL-bOY] > yeah
[02:29] <Deathy> paulproteus and what's the exact command?
[02:29] <[dEvIL-bOY] > something like priveladges
[02:29] <rjek> [dEvIL-bOY] : Providing precise reports makes it easier to solve your problem.
[02:30] <[dEvIL-bOY] > the folder contents can not be displayed
[02:30] <paulproteus> devusb: apt-get install linux-686-smp
[02:30] <paulproteus> Deathy: , rather.
[02:30] <[dEvIL-bOY] > You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: source".
[02:32] <[dEvIL-bOY] > rjek,  any thoughts on that?
[02:36] <drelch> hi
[02:37] <drelch> little question: how can i add keyboard scancodes to X. so that i can use my internetkeyboard with programs like lineakd? the "setkeycodes" command only works in the console
[02:48] <knoppix> I just installed ubuntu, but when I reboot I get grub booting stage 1.5 error 17 and then it hangs. What could this be
[02:49] <NeoXed> reinstall
[02:49] <NeoXed> did the same shit to me
[02:49] <knoppix> Been there, done that.
[02:49] <NeoXed> i reinstalled and it fixed it
[02:50] <NeoXed> ar wired
[02:50] <NeoXed> umm are yo downloading all the updates it asks you to?
[02:50] <NeoXed> you.
[02:50] <knoppix> If I cant even boot it. How am I supposed to download any updates?
[02:51] <NeoXed> ... it asks you to download updates while it installs
[02:51] <knoppix> Hmmm.
[02:51] <knoppix> I will try that.
[02:51] <NeoXed> kk :)
[02:55] <uuuu> how do i connect to a ftp
[02:55] <uuuu> ?
[02:55] <uuuu> in a terminal
[02:56] <NanoTek> Kikoo !! :p
[02:56] <NeoXed> not sure but i think its connect 0.0.0.0:21
[02:57] <uuuu> ok
[02:57] <NeoXed> not sure but i think its connect 0.0.0.0:21:user:pass
[02:57] <NeoXed> try that
[02:58] <uuuu> ok
[02:59] <uuuu> nope
[02:59] <uuuu> didn't work
[03:01] <NeoXed> type 'man ftp'
[03:01] <uuuu> ftp login
[03:01] <NeoXed> maybe it has help menu
[03:01] <uuuu> i got that
[03:01] <uuuu> i'm on ftp
[03:01] <uuuu> and it does had a help
[03:01] <uuuu> but ...can't figure it out
[03:01] <NeoXed> lol
[03:01] <NeoXed> download a GUI ftp client
[03:04] <domo> hi
[03:05] <domo> when I try to install i get that error msg: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[03:05] <NeoXed> redownload the iso?
[03:06] <Guardiann> hello
[03:06] <NeoXed> :)
[03:06] <domo> I download the kernel source, make the modules and symbolic link but after that I have this message:  No rule to make target `Graphic'.  Stop.
[03:06] <domo> Someone can help me to understand ?
[03:07] <domo> hi Guardiann
[03:07] <Guardiann> hi
[03:07] <NeoXed> no clue im kinda newbie my self
[03:07] <scoon> domo,
[03:07] <scoon> domo, what is the problem
[03:07] <Guardiann> eveyone here using ubuntu?
[03:07] <domo> I try to install my drivers for my graphic card
[03:08] <domo> a intel 855G
[03:08] <oh8gdv> Guardiann: probably not
[03:08] <NeoXed> Guardiann i think so
[03:08] <NeoXed> lol
[03:08] <domo> I download the drives from the intel site
[03:08] <Guardiann> :)
[03:08] <NeoXed> well bet alot are
[03:08] <oh8gdv> from 291 if everyone is..
[03:08] <oh8gdv> yeah
[03:08] <oh8gdv> probably most. but not all
[03:08] <domo> but when I launch the install script i get this error msg
[03:08] <Guardiann> how do you guys like it
[03:08] <usual> I love it
[03:09] <NeoXed> i used to hate linux now i like it due to ubuntu
[03:09] <scoon> domo, all right.  you need to put them somewhere in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/
[03:09] <Guardiann> i am d/l it now
[03:09] <scoon> domo, after that, do a depmod -a
[03:09] <oh8gdv> ubuntu is debian done right (from a workstation perspective anyways)
[03:09] <scoon> then you should be able to load them
[03:09] <domo> I like it also Guardiann
[03:09] <usual> is anyone using ubuntu as a server?
[03:10] <scoon> Guardiann, best running distro i have used in the 6yrs i have been running linux
[03:10] <domo> but where I find this build directory scoon
[03:10] <scoon> domo, well is there a README w/ the drivers you are getting ?
[03:10] <scoon> are the modules native or are they something esle
[03:10] <Guardiann> very good good to hear
[03:10] <domo> nope :(
[03:11] <domo> the only README that I find is for the rpm package
[03:11] <scoon> domo, what is the site addy
[03:11] <domo> 1s scoon, I find it
[03:12] <Guardiann> i am looking forward to this
[03:14] <domo> I get the drivers from here: http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/filter_results.asp?strOSs=39&strTypes=DRV%2CARC&ProductID=922&OSFullName=Linux*&submit=Go%21
[03:15] <usual> the kernel doesn't have drivers for that?
[03:16] <domo> and the README can be find here but it's just about RPM stuff: ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/7485/ENG/readme.txt
[03:16] <usual> ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/7485/ENG/readme.txt
[03:16] <haffe> Ok, I'm back. Still no luck getting ubuntu to boot
[03:17] <domo> the graphic card work, but I the color are not respected, and I thinking, that the official drivers that can correct that
[03:18] <domo> maybe I can do that by a other way ?
[03:18] <scoon> domo, you could look into alien is a deb that will install rpms
[03:18] <domo> I'm on a laptop and every think is to bright on my screen
[03:19] <domo> allright, I will try it
[03:19] <scoon> domo, but i don't think that is a very good idea.
[03:19] <domo> so what is the right idea for you ?
[03:19] <scoon> domo, i think that may be a bit of a hack, i have never used alien so i don't know tho..............
[03:19] <scoon> domo, use the kernel module.
[03:20] <domo> you know a way to change contrast and brightness on X ?
[03:20] <scoon> domo, start with the docs that come with a kernel source and then pose around from there.
[03:20] <scoon> domo, doesn't your monitor have controls for that ?
[03:20] <scoon> or screen or whatever
[03:21] <domo> only for brightness but it's not precise
[03:21] <domo> it's a laptop
[03:21] <domo> I try xgamma but I didn t see any differrence
[03:21] <AndyR> lo ppl
[03:21] <Nivlem> Hi AndyR:
[03:21] <domo> scoon, witch kernel module ?
[03:22] <scoon> domo, what do you mean by precise ?
[03:22] <domo> sorry for my english scoon :)
[03:22] <scoon> domo, in the kernel source tree there is a dir called Documentation, that is where i'd start looking first.
[03:22] <Nivlem> To start ntp time sync is the command: /etc/init.d/ntpd start?
[03:22] <scoon> or look for some help w/ xfree or x.org whatever you are using
[03:22] <scoon> are you warty
[03:23] <domo> precise = precisly
[03:24] <domo> scoon, yes I am
[03:24] <anir> hey guys
[03:24] <anir> #ubuntu
[03:24] <domo> ok, I go to look at the documentation
[03:24] <scoon> domo, so then you are using xfree
[03:24] <anir> i am sick of this os
[03:24] <domo> yes
[03:25] <scoon> anir, well it def is not worse than xp
[03:25] <anir> why this OS is so  slow??
[03:25] <domo> so, I have to install the source kernel for that
[03:25] <anir> scoon why is this so slow?
[03:25] <domo> it's not slow for me
[03:25] <scoon> anir, could you define what "slow" means.  it would make it much easier to help
[03:25] <anir> scoon i dont know much of programming so i guess its not for me
[03:25] <anir> okay
[03:26] <scoon> anir, who said anything about programming
[03:26] <anir> scoon see when i start 2 or more windows at the same time .. i cant work
[03:26] <Nivlem> Yeah I have to agree with scoon...Ubunut runs like a bat out of hell on my AMD 1.6 with 384megs ram
[03:26] <Nivlem> *Ubuntu*
[03:27] <housetier> don't bats usually FLY? ;)
[03:27] <scoon> anir, what are the 2 windows ? what are your hw specs ? more info plz
[03:27] <anir> scoon i have a P3 with 128 MB SD ram
[03:27] <scoon> anir, what are you trying to open
[03:27] <anir> My space for Ubuntu is 9 GB scoon
[03:27] <scoon> anir, what are you tring to open
[03:27] <Nivlem> housetier: Yes they do...just a saying..heh
[03:28] <housetier> :D
[03:28] <anir> i opened one web browser and and the synaptic package scoon
[03:28] <scoon> anir, first thing, how much swap space did you set up when you installed ubuntu
[03:28] <paulproteus> Nivlem: I don't get it - is bats-out-of-hell fast or slow?
[03:28] <anir> is my configuration is sufficient for ubuntu? scoon
[03:29] <scoon> anir, the rule of them is 2 times the amount of physical ram
[03:29] <Nivlem> paulproteus: It means it is really FAST!
[03:29] <Nivlem> Gotta run...L8R
[03:29] <anir> so how much swap space i have to use scoon??
[03:29] <scoon> anir, when you ran the install, how much swap did you use
[03:29] <paulproteus> anir: I think the two factors facing your performance are (1) RAM size and (2) video card choice.
[03:30] <scoon> anir, the general rule of thumb is twice the amount of physical ram
[03:30] <Cyberjames> hi! what is the root password for ubuntu?
[03:30] <anir> so for me its 256 right scoon
[03:30] <paulproteus> Cyberjames: None.  See the FAQ as regards root.
[03:30] <anir> is 128 MB ram is sufficient?
[03:30] <scoon> anir, 2 * 128 = 256
[03:30] <paulproteus> URL in topic.
[03:30] <scoon> anir, seems that your math is correct.
[03:31] <anir> okay..actually i did not allcate any swap space while installing ubuntu scoon
[03:31] <anir> thank you scoon..lol
[03:31] <scoon> anir, well there you go.
[03:31] <scoon> anir, you don't have much ram and you have NO swap space
[03:31] <scoon> anir, that would really suck
[03:32] <anir> is it very necessary scoon??
[03:32] <scoon> anir, so yes, linux is very slow when set up like that.
[03:32] <scoon> anir, what do you think
[03:32] <scoon> anir, are you happy w/ the way your box runs.
[03:32] <anir> okay scoon..i will do it now..actually this is the first time i am installing Linux
[03:32] <scoon> anir, it will crash soon
[03:32] <anir> okay so i am going and reinstalling it scoon...
[03:33] <mupe> I have an ubuntu desktop comp with 384 MB RAM and it doesn't usually seem to use swap...
[03:33] <anir> thank you for your help..scoon...see you  soon
[03:33] <scoon> anir, good start. i bet you will notice a difference.
[03:33] <scoon> mupe, yea well i have a gig of ram and a gig of swap.  yet i rarely hit swap.
[03:33] <anir> cool scoon bye
[03:33] <scoon> anir, l8r
[03:34] <scoon> mupe, but every so often i use a bit of it.
[03:35] <mupe> what is the rule of swap = 2 * ram amout based on?
[03:36] <scoon> mupe, don't know.  it was someting i read in the kernel docs some where and have stuck w/ it.
[03:36] <scoon> mupe, i bet with a little effort the reasoning could be found but i just never gave a shit.
[03:37] <scoon> mupe seems to work tho
[03:40] <domo> someone is on warty here ?
[03:41] <superted> em
[03:41] <superted> pretty much everyone?
[03:42] <domo> oups I means hoary
[03:42] <domo> so I can try it, it's enought stable ?
[03:43] <Simira> it works for me
[03:43] <Simira> mostly
[03:43] <superted> me too
[03:44] <domo> oki, so I will make the jump
[03:44] <superted> but it's unstable at times
[03:45] <domo> I m tired of Xfree, I hope X will manage better my graphic card
[03:48] <cristiano> hi guys. anyone can pls tell me where is the grub.conf file?
[03:51] <cristiano> any answer?pls!^^
[03:52] <hashar>  /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[03:53] <cristiano> maybe thx i try it;)
[03:54] <pettsson> does any1 know if there are any problems with gf2mx-cards in ubuntu?
[03:54] <usual> pettsson, shouldn't be
[03:54] <usual> pettsson, are you using nvidia drivers?
[03:55] <hashar> hmm do you think I can use debian3.0 installer to install ubuntu ?  ;o)
[03:55] <pettsson> the installation goes well but when i remove the install-disc and reboot my screen goes blank (cant select any drivers then)
[03:55] <usual> pettsson, install the nvidia drivers
[03:56] <pettsson> but i cant even boot after that i removed the install cd
[03:56] <paulproteus> hashar: Yes.  You can do that.
[03:56] <hashar> paulproteus> just have to use a ubuntu file mirror ? :p
[03:56] <usual> pettsson, what happens
[03:58] <pettsson> can i ad nv as a bootparameter?
[03:58] <pettsson> add
[04:05] <Bandit> when installing ubuntu is there commands similar to adsl-setup to setup my dsl connection
[04:06] <JStrike> pettsson : You can use Recovery Mode and then edit /etc/X11/xorg
[04:10] <miausX> hi!
[04:12] <hashar> anyone got a deb repository URL to install from network please ? :o)
[04:12] <hashar> I can only find ISOs
[04:12] <pettsson> try "your country code".debian.org
[04:13] <hashar> ;)
[04:13] <hashar> not really helpfull to grab ubuntu
[04:14] <Bandit> anyone know how to setup ubunto tp use my dsl modem
[04:15] <miausX> hashar, you are asking about servers for the sources.list? a ftp mirror to grab ubuntu iso?
[04:15] <hashar> I managed to find one : ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/ubuntu/dists/
[04:16] <miausX> Bandit, I have not idea, maybe you can find something searching in the ubuntu wiki, debian.org/doc or google
[04:16] <hashar> I am doing a network installation since I dont got any cd burner o)
[04:16] <lukins> can someone share with me their cdrom line from /etc/fstab?
[04:16] <miausX> hashar, hum? -- deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse
[04:17] <hashar> great :)
[04:17] <miausX> lukins, of course -->/dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:17] <miausX> hashar, err... do you want ALL my sources.list?
[04:17] <miausX> I can paste it in a query :)
[04:17] <lukins> miausx, that's pretty much what i have, but when i boot up, the cdrom0 keeps being deleted
[04:17] <the_gummibear> how can i play a dvd with the menu's?
[04:18] <miausX> Humboldt, I have two entries, cdrom0 and cdrom1, I don't have that problem in warty
[04:18] <miausX> the_gummibear,  try xine-ui or ogle :)
[04:18] <the_gummibear> let's give it a try :)
[04:19] <miausX> the_gummibear, maybe you need libdvdcss2 (from marillat repository) :)
[04:19] <JStrike> Or latest gstreamer supports it iirc
[04:19] <miausX> here it is --> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[04:19] <the_gummibear> hmm.. how can i add those marillat repository
[04:19] <miausX> JStrike, yeah :)
[04:19] <the_gummibear> ah :)
[04:19] <miausX> the_gummibear, ;))
[04:20] <miausX> lukins, how can I help you?
[04:20] <ed_gein> Are there any major obstacles installing winxp and ubuntu on seperate hds?
[04:20] <miausX> ed_gein, I don't think so... I should install winXP in the master HD and Ubuntu in the slave hd :)
[04:21] <the_gummibear> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/marillat/testing/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/marillat/testing/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[04:21] <the_gummibear> :(
[04:21] <miausX> did you put "deb" at the begining of the line, the_gummibear?
[04:21] <miausX> it works fine for me right now
[04:21] <lukins> miausx, i'm reading something about adding ide-scsi to grub, so let me try that, thanks for your help
[04:22] <miausX> no prob :)
[04:22] <the_gummibear> binary (deb) i have
[04:22] <miausX> Humboldt, me too :?
[04:22] <ed_gein> lukins: which kernel are you running
[04:22] <lukins> 2.6.8
[04:22] <miausX> ouch... sorry... s/Humboldt/hum :S
[04:23] <ed_gein> I didn;t think you needed scsi emulation with the 2.6 series kernel
[04:23] <miausX> yeah
[04:23] <lukins> ok, cdrecord -scanbus gives me a lot of errors though
[04:23] <miausX> no no
[04:24] <miausX> lukins, with a 2.6 kernel you can use this: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc :))
[04:24] <lukins> let me try!
[04:24] <miausX> you DON'T need scsi emulation :)
[04:25] <the_gummibear> buh, really can't get on those ftp's :(
[04:25] <lukins> cdrecord: No tracks specified. Need at least one. ...and a bunch of other stuff
[04:25] <talibkweli> hello
[04:25] <miausX> the_gummibear, ouch! strange, I have all working
[04:26] <miausX> lukins, no no, you have to put more options, the line I have pasted only was an example :)
[04:26] <the_gummibear> typo :p
[04:26] <ed_gein> isn't it cdrecord --scanbus?
[04:27] <lukins> AAAHAHAHAHAH
[04:27] <ed_gein> as opposed ot cdrecord -scanbus
[04:27] <lukins> oh
[04:27] <the_gummibear> now xine-ui :)
[04:27] <ed_gein> I'm probably wrong
[04:27] <miausX> cdrecord speed=30 dev=/dev/hdc -eject -driveropts=burnfree -gracetime=2 blah.iso --- another example :)
[04:28] <miausX> ed_gein, let me try it
[04:28] <miausX> ed_gein, no, it's the same :)
[04:28] <ed_gein> <- at a windows box
[04:28] <ed_gein> ok
[04:28] <lukins> blashpemy
[04:28] <miausX> lol
[04:29] <miausX> ed_gein, qemu + ubuntu? ;D
[04:29] <talibkweli> hello everyone
[04:29] <miausX> hi talibkweli :)
[04:29] <karlos> hello
[04:29] <miausX> hi karlos
[04:29] <karlos> hi
[04:29] <the_gummibear> bah, still no menu's :(
[04:29] <ed_gein> At the moment windows is a needed,spent $400 on a video card, HalfLife 2 better look perfect
[04:30] <ed_gein> hello talib
[04:30] <miausX> the_gummibear, oh, try ogle... both support dvd's menu
[04:30] <karlos> my kids just got their red belts everyone (karate)
[04:30] <ed_gein> congrats
[04:30] <karlos> cheers
[04:30] <miausX> "Ogle is a DVD player with DVD menu support..."
[04:31] <ed_gein> hopefully they won't kill one another
[04:31] <ed_gein> j/k
[04:31] <karlos> they like to try
[04:31] <ed_gein> I'm sure
[04:31] <the_gummibear> what is a recen i386 ?
[04:31] <the_gummibear> *recent
[04:31] <the_gummibear> mine is 1,5y old
[04:31] <karlos> 1.5 i remember that
[04:33] <miausX> brb
[04:35] <karlos> anyone remember the dpkg command that lets you see the packages installed on your system
[04:36] <karlos> i got xfce4.2 installed from .bin this morning .... very impressive....well worth a go
[04:36] <the_gummibear> ogle ain't working at all.. guess i'll need to go to windows for that stupid dvd :(
[04:37] <ljlane> karlos, dpkg -l
[04:37] <karlos> thanx
[04:41] <Qerub> the_gummibear: got decss?
[04:42] <EfaistOs> hi
[04:43] <the_gummibear> not that i know, what is decss?
[04:43] <EfaistOs> does someone have a webcam ? i've got a quickcam communicate of logitech ... do u know how to detect it ?
[04:44] <Qerub> the_gummibear: most dvd movies are scrambled and you need a decss enabled libdvdread to see them.
[04:45] <the_gummibear> i have libdvdread
[04:45] <the_gummibear> i can play dvd's, but i can never get the root menu
[04:45] <paulproteus> And you need libdvdcss2 that does DeCSS>
[04:46] <Qerub> the_gummibear: on my debian system, i've got a /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[04:46] <Qerub> the_gummibear: if you got it, run it.
[04:46] <the_gummibear> done :p
[04:46] <the_gummibear> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[04:46] <cenerentola> ogra: ping
[04:46] <the_gummibear> is what it returns
[04:47] <Qerub> the_gummibear: do you have apt-get/aptitude/synaptic running?
[04:47] <Quest-Master> Could someone please, please, please help me with this?
[04:47] <Qerub> the_gummibear: try running "sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh"
[04:47] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7910
[04:48] <Quest-Master> I've been at it for weeks
[04:48] <Quest-Master> I really need it fixed
[04:48] <Quest-Master> :(
[04:48] <the_gummibear> Setting up libdvdcss2 (1.2.5-1) ...
[04:48] <the_gummibear> synaptic was running :p
[04:48] <Qerub> the_gummibear: sounds good.
[04:49] <Qerub> the_gummibear: try playing a movie now.
[04:49] <the_gummibear> prefered program?
[04:49] <Qerub> the_gummibear: totem with xine backend, i guess.
[04:49] <Qerub> the_gummibear: (package: totem-xine)
[04:49] <D0wnXcaST> I'm trying to config my internet on ubuntu, i'm not able. I have a cable modem plug to my ethernet card. I do : Sudo ifconfig eth0 down; dhclient eth0; ifconfig eth0 up . and its written that permission is denied ....
[04:49] <D0wnXcaST> It worked once, but i had to reconfig. and didnt work anymore?
[04:50] <Qerub> Quest-Master: try another ftp client like ncftp...
[04:50] <Qerub> Quest-Master: and see what it says.
[04:50] <Qerub> D0wnXcaST: you should be using "ifup" and "ifdown" first of all. and you need to be root, so use sudo.
[04:50] <D0wnXcaST> Im root
[04:51] <Quest-Master> I want to be able to directly open files from an FTP server with gEdit though Qerub
[04:51] <D0wnXcaST> so, i should do , sudo ifdown eth0; ...
[04:51] <D0wnXcaST> ?
[04:51] <Qerub> D0wnXcaST: yes
[04:51] <the_gummibear> the menu is still not loading :s
[04:51] <D0wnXcaST> ok, ill go and try this
[04:51] <Qerub> Quest-Master: I'm not saying you should continue to use ncftp, just see what happens.
[04:52] <the_gummibear> it starts playing the movie but can't get on any menu
[04:52] <Qerub> Quest-Master: It's probably more verbose.
[04:52] <Quest-Master> Ok
[04:52] <Quest-Master> I'll try it
[04:54] <prak> hello .. .can someone help me fix dvd playback on xine? it was working well until i went to ubuntoguide.org and started adding packages. now it DVD playback fails with one or more errors (the most obvious error is invalid MRL)
[04:56] <ubuntu> hello.ervey boy
[04:57] <ubuntu> how can i install cvs server on ubuntu
[04:57] <the_gummibear> pff, i'll just go to windows for the dvd.. it's not working here
[04:57] <the_gummibear> thx anyway :)
[04:58] <D0wnXcaST> nice, i finally got my eth0 conifg :P
[05:00] <superted> i notice there is a package called diveintopython
[05:00] <superted> how can i read it ?
[05:01] <paulproteus> superted: If it's installed look in
[05:01] <paulproteus> /usr/share/doc/diveintopython/
[05:01] <imka> hi
[05:02] <imka> if i select a language at the beginning of the install, that'll effect the locale, the keyboard layout, and gnome, right? cause i wanna install ubuntu on my gonnabefatherinlaw`s pc but he only speaks hungarian
[05:02] <azta> anyone know of a guide to get sleep/wake working properly on an ibook ?
[05:03] <azta> I had debian on it about 18months ago, and it worked. With warty and hoary it just sits there on resume with some cpufreq warning message...
[05:03] <imka> azta don't know, sorry
[05:03] <paulproteus> azta: It should work with Warty.  What iBook?
[05:04] <azta> paulproteus: a g3
[05:04] <azta> 12"
[05:04] <azta> 500mhz
[05:04] <paulproteus> I had to put a patch in my kernel to make my iBook G4 sleep.
[05:04] <paulproteus> Try running powerprefs and making sure it's set to sleep on lid-shut.
[05:04] <azta> but these older ones don't need It I think
[05:04] <paulproteus> If it's plugged into power, it may not sleep by default; I think default is sleep on shut if on battery.
[05:04] <imka> any ideas regarding my question? ^^^
[05:04] <paulproteus> Yeah, I think they don't need any patch.
[05:04] <azta> oh, lemmi look what it's set up to do
[05:05] <paulproteus> imka: I think so.
[05:05] <azta> it does sleep though. The powerled starts "breathing", but resume gets stuck
[05:05] <azta> booting...
[05:05] <imka> paulproteus apt takes care of it right? so i should get a hungarian gnome, even if there's nothing about hungarian translation on the ubuntu website (i have offered my services btw)
[05:06] <paulproteus> I think that's right.
[05:06] <imka> nice. thanks
[05:06] <paulproteus> I've never used translations myself.
[05:06] <azta> I'm impressed with cpufreq and powernowd working nice outathebox
[05:07] <azta> in fact i'm impressed with ubuntu altogether... great job guys
[05:09] <teuteu> salut!!!!
[05:10] <miausX> azta, yeah, me too... I can't wait to hoary :D~
[05:10] <teuteu> salut!!!!-fr
[05:11] <azta> paulproteus: yeah, it sleeps on AC and battery lid-close
[05:11] <paulproteus> Oh.  Hmm.
[05:12] <azta> on wake, I get "cpufreq: resume failed to assert current frequency is what timing core thinks it is."
[05:12] <azta> perhaps it's that thats stopping it wake fully
[05:12] <azta> after that I see "eth0: resuming eth1: Airport waking up eth1: New link status: Connected (0001)" then it just sits there and needs a reboot.
[05:14] <azta> can you disable cpufreq with a bootparam ? :/
[05:16] <anir> hello guys
[05:17] <anir> hey
[05:17] <anir> how are you all
[05:17] <mousematt> does ubuntu's license or relationship with canonical prevent it from being pre-installed on PCs?
[05:17] <anir> tell me how will i install plug ins for firefox?
[05:17] <azta> mousematt: I can't see how
[05:19] <mousematt> azta: thanks. thats wonderful news
[05:19] <azta> mousematt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/philosophy/document_view
[05:19] <anir> can i install my tv card in ubuntu??
[05:20] <azta> anir: if the kernel has a driver for it.. sure
[05:20] <anir> well i have just installed ubuntu...azta
[05:20] <azta> anir: google.com/linux for your tv card :)
[05:21] <anir> azta i want to install my tv card.. how can i do that
[05:21] <azta> put it in the computer, boot ubuntu, try use it would be the first step
[05:22] <anir> how can i load the software??
[05:22] <anir> which one is better??
[05:22] <azta> dunno. Google.com/linux will :)
[05:22] <azta> apt-cache search tv ?
[05:23] <anir> any linux guri here???
[05:23] <azta> lol
[05:23] <anir> i want help.. i need to talk to
[05:24] <anir> i mean guru.. i am sorry its not guri
[05:24] <azta> Results 1 - 100 of about 582,000 for any gurus here?
[05:25] <azta> just ask your question anir
[05:25] <anir> wait i am coming in a sec
[05:25] <azta> too much information
[05:28] <azta> theres a problem somewhere with the powernowd init script. It's spitting out a "modprobe" usage: message...
[05:34] <alex> Hello
[05:34] <Synek> hello :)
[05:35] <alex> Wow :0
[05:36] <alex> I am Amazed
[05:38] <alex> Helllo
[05:38] <Synek> of being on irc? ;-)
[05:38] <alex> Yes
[05:38] <alex> This is my first time here
[05:39] <njan> hi there, alex.
[05:39] <alex> hello
[05:39] <njan> alex, new to IRC, or linux? (Or both?)
[05:40] <alex> not sure but i have to go I`ll be back
[05:40] <Synek> ;] 
[05:46] <haffe> Hmmm, is there someway I can use apt-get from a cdbooted ubuntu?
[05:51] <gsuveg> anyone use universe repo here ?
[05:53] <Synek> gsuveg: i do
[05:54] <gsuveg> Synek: please see me application. msg ok?
[05:57] <gsuveg> can i use pptp in ubuntu ? maybe with modprobe ppp_mppe_mppc
[06:01] <anon26> hi all
[06:01] <anon26> could anyone give me a hand with ndiswrapper?
[06:02] <__learner__> Is there any way for me to configure an email server, so I can send mails without opening my webmail, and the emails go with the FROM field as I want?
[06:02] <socomm> Hello, anyone know how to change xorg's keymapping?
[06:03] <anon26> ndiswrapper builds just fine with module assistant build fails to load with modprobe citing module is wrong format
[06:03] <socomm> dpkg --configure something ...
[06:03] <socomm> I forget, anyone have an idea?
[06:04] <anon26> anyone in here know how to get ndiswrapper to work?
[06:05] <scoon> anon26, never used ndiswrapperd, what are you trying to get to work ?
[06:06] <anon26> ndiswrapper module for kernel2.6.8.3 builds just fine using module-assistant
[06:06] <anon26> but when i try to load the module with modprobe, i keep getting an error saying the module is in the wrong format
[06:07] <socomm> anon26: You may be running a different kernel.
[06:07] <anon26> nope uname- a confirms i am running 2.6.8-3
[06:07] <socomm> Which is it 2.6.8.3 or 2.6.8-3?
[06:08] <anon26>  2.6.8.1-3-386
[06:08] <socomm> What's the exact error that lsmod returns?
[06:09] <anon26> i don't know what just happens but it magically works now
[06:09] <anir> hey guys
[06:09] <sladen> and girls
[06:09] <anir> does tv cards work in linux?
[06:09] <anir> lol
[06:09] <anon26> i deleted the ndiswrapper folder from /lib/modules/kernel/drivers.....
[06:09] <sladen> anir: yes
[06:09] <anir> no girls here i guess
[06:10] <anon26> rebuilt the module with ndiswrapper and then installed it
[06:10] <anon26> and now it works
[06:10] <anir> sladen can u tell me how?
[06:10] <anon26> could this be a conflict with linux-restricted-modules?
[06:10] <socomm> Girls? Hahaha.
[06:11] <socomm> anir: Some tv cards do work under linux.
[06:11] <fievel> hi
[06:11] <fievel> is there growisofs on ubuntu live cd ?
[06:12] <anir> hey guys
[06:12] <anir> tell me which one is better for watching tv on linux??
[06:12] <scoon> anir, i use tvtime
[06:13] <anir> i have a mercury  made tv card socumm
[06:13] <anir> scoon hi
[06:13] <anir> i have reinstalled the ubuntu scoon
[06:13] <scoon> hello
[06:13] <scoon> ok
[06:13] <socomm> anir: http://www.google.com/linux just look your card up there.
[06:13] <anir> and i can see the diff now scoon
[06:14] <scoon> anir, you were the "no swap" person
[06:14] <scoon> good, good
[06:14] <ankae314> Hello, I know is a FAQ but, how can I change the language ? I've the live version installed
[06:14] <anir> yes scoon...lol unfortunately
[06:14] <anir> now no more scoon
[06:15] <scoon> anir, eh, you resolved it.  good job
[06:15] <scoon> anir, check out tldp.org for some good general info
[06:15] <anir> thyank you scoon.. now i want to install tvtime.. do i have to download it??
[06:15] <anir> scoon
[06:15] <scoon> anir, its in one of the ubuntu repos
[06:16] <scoon> anir, so yes
[06:16] <anir> i will try it scoon..
[06:16] <anir> are you a programmer scoon?
[06:17] <scoon> anir, yes.
[06:17] <ankae314> Hello, how can I change the language ? I've the live version installed
[06:20] <anir> cool.. so for how long you are using linux?
[06:20] <anir> scoon.. what is linux is doing to compete  Long Horn??
[06:20] <[dEvIL-bOy] > hey
[06:20] <[dEvIL-bOy] > can i get some help
[06:20] <scoon> anir, been using it since 1998. Haven't run windows since then
[06:21] <scoon> anir, don't understand your other ?
[06:21] <socomm> [dEvIL-bOy] : Can you?
[06:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i have connecter to my home wireless connection with WEP and now that i'm around a friends and he hasn.t got WEP i can't connect
[06:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > of course i can
[06:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > there must be some gurus around here
[06:22] <scoon> [dEvIL-bOy] , you need to create another profile for the non-WEP network
[06:22] <socomm> I'd help but I never used WiFI.
[06:22] <scoon> you can create different profiles with the networking tool
[06:23] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ahhh
[06:23] <fievel> is there anywhere a list of packages present in live cd ?
[06:23] <[dEvIL-bOy] > but do i need to type in the SSid?
[06:24] <[dEvIL-bOy] > because it won't let me click next if i don't give it the SSID
[06:24] <anir> okay.. i have been using windows since 1998.. i do programming in C.. well i was asking Windows in lauching Long Horn..new OS..with better GUI for 64 bit pross..what can we expect  from Linux scoon
[06:26] <anir> scoon its asking for installing libruby 1.8  but the available version is libruby 1.7 only what do i do?
[06:27] <superted> anyone else got problems with hoary/python today/yesterday?
[06:28] <anir> scoon u thr???
[06:29] <D0wnXcaST> How come i can't execute any .exe file ? "Could not display /home.... " ???
[06:29] <D0wnXcaST> I need to execute a .exe to creat a dos boot disk
[06:31] <anir> heck anyone here to help me??
[06:31] <D0wnXcaST> ?
[06:31] <anir> downxcast can u help me installing a tv card?
[06:32] <D0wnXcaST> no sorry
[06:32] <anir> can anyone?
[06:32] <cenerentola> anir: ask your question
[06:32] <anir> actually i dont know how to deal with kernal
[06:33] <cenerentola> well turn off the computer... plug the board in... and start
[06:33] <cenerentola> praying when you press the power button
[06:33] <D0wnXcaST> anyone, i cant execute .exe file ?
[06:34] <cenerentola> D0wnXcaST: well you need wine: which is Win Emulator
[06:34] <thenuke> D0wnXcaST: umm.. exes are for windows :)
[06:35] <D0wnXcaST> ok ! :)
[06:35] <D0wnXcaST> lol ! sorry, im really new to linux
[06:36] <anir> cenerentola i want to install my tv card on this os.Ubuntu..
[06:36] <D0wnXcaST> is wine in ubuntu or i have to download it ?
[06:36] <crimsun> it's in 'universe'
[06:37] <crimsun> enable the 'universe' repo, then install it
[06:37] <anir> hey crimsum how are you..remember me>?
[06:37] <crimsun> hi anir
[06:38] <crimsun> I vaguely remember your nick
[06:38] <D0wnXcaST> ok, ill try to find what it is :)
[06:38] <cenerentola> anir: ok turn off the computer and install the card
[06:38] <anir> crimsun i am trying to install  the tv card..dont know how to deal with kernal
[06:38] <anir> card is installed cenerentola
[06:39] <cenerentola> anir: ok... are drivers installed?
[06:39] <anir> no .. i dont know how to install the driver in linux. cenerentola
[06:39] <cenerentola> ahh so lets not speak about kernel things...
[06:40] <cenerentola> what board is it?
[06:40] <anir> its a mercury made
[06:41] <anir> cenerentola its a mercury made
[06:41] <Yeahh> who told that i had to save a profile to access the wi fi?
[06:42] <D0wnXcaST> crimsun: where do i enable univers repo?
[06:43] <Yeahh> and i used to have loads of bookmarks on my firefox but because i made a chande with sudo to add some more search engines it disappear
[06:43] <D0wnXcaST> i found it !
[06:43] <Yeahh> how can i get back to my other profile at start?
[06:43] <anir> downxcast u go to computer..then system configuration...click
[06:43] <Yeahh> anyone?
[06:44] <Yeahh> and another thing
[06:44] <Yeahh> i haven't tested gnome meeting
[06:44] <Yeahh> anyone up for it?
[06:44] <eruin> ello lads... any of you know a nice tool to resize vfat-partitions?
[06:44] <Yeahh> partition magic
[06:44] <eruin> going to install ubuntu on the good old hometown computer :P
[06:44] <housetier> with or without losing data?
[06:45] <eruin> for linux, without losing data :)
[06:45] <anir> what tv card i can use for linux?
[06:45] <Yeahh> that's another issue i had...i can't make my tv out to work
[06:45] <anir> crimsun tell me how can i install libruby 1.8?
[06:45] <Yeahh> on totem movie player
[06:46] <Yeahh> it says that i need to restart to use it
[06:46] <Yeahh> and i done it so
[06:46] <Yeahh> but no luck
[06:46] <anir> when i try to install libruby.. a error msg comes
[06:46] <housetier> eruin you know the answer already: backup! ;D other than that, I don't know of a tool that can accomplish that, although I guess there is at least one
[06:46] <D0wnXcaST> no, i though i had find it, but still didnt find it. I'm in the synaptic package manager, am i right place?
[06:47] <eruin> I guess I'll have to acquire=-09] '\[] 
[06:47] <anir> HELP ME
[06:47] <haffe> Ok, nom I'm going insane, this is the fifth time I have reinstalled ubuntu. And I still get GRUB error 17 when booting.
[06:47] <anir> ANYONE
[06:47] <crimsun> anir: please don't shout.
[06:47] <eruin> partitionmagic then (the weird letters were an attempt to use english charset on a .no keyboard)
[06:47] <anir> sorry crimson..
[06:47] <crimsun> anir: warty-security has 1.8.1+1.8.2pre2-3ubuntu0.1
[06:48] <housetier> eruin *maybe* parted can do what you want
[06:48] <crimsun> anir: so just install 'libruby1.8'
[06:48] <anir> from where i will get it?
[06:48] <housetier> eruin although I really recommend backing up your most precious data, just in case
[06:48] <eruin> housetier, thanks... anything but a windows tool (I dont understand windows at all)
[06:48] <tsw> I just have to say: thank you ubuntu team. Ubuntu is the best desktop linux I have tested so far!
[06:48] <anir> hey tsw
[06:49] <anir> i have a few question tsw
[06:49] <eruin> tsw, time to test hoary then =)
[06:49] <housetier> eruin I haven't used parted myself yet, so I don't know of any tips or pitfalls
[06:49] <tsw> anir: go ahead
[06:49] <anir> well whaich linux OS for 64 bit processor?
[06:50] <tsw> eruin: not really in need for never software.. maybe firefox 1.0 would be nice
[06:50] <tsw> anir: asking me ? I just have wet dreams about 64 bit processors :)
[06:51] <anir> tsw why is that??
[06:51] <anir> lol
[06:51] <tsw> anir: atm I have 500Mhz Pentium III ibm laptop on my hands.. :)
[06:51] <sjoerd> ah right, 64 procs the new hype
[06:52] <anir> yeah.. Windows already with LongHorn
[06:52] <D0wnXcaST> I enabled the univers repo. now how do i install wine
[06:53] <crimsun> anir: libruby1.8 is available in main
[06:53] <crimsun> anir: all you have to do is install it
[06:53] <aquarius> I've got a mate, running Ubuntu. He's not very computer literate. I'd like to send him a program to run, which is not packaged for Ubuntu (or Debian). It's currently available as source. What's the best way for me to get the program to him so that he can easily install it? Should I build a deb? (Clicking debs from Nautilus doesn't seem to work on my warty install.)
[06:53] <tsw> D0wnXcaST: apt-get update; apt-get install xine-ui
[06:53] <crimsun> aquarius: what program is it?
[06:54] <anir> main?? can u help me a more crimsun
[06:54] <crimsun> anir: do you use Synaptic?
[06:54] <anir> yes crimsun i do
[06:55] <aquarius> crimsun, in this case it's comical (http://comical.sourceforge.net/), but I'm interested in a more general solution.
[06:55] <D0wnXcaST> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:55] <D0wnXcaST> i got this message each time i open synaptic now
[06:55] <D0wnXcaST> ???
[06:55] <[Phaedrus] > hey guys
[06:55] <[Phaedrus] > are they shipping free cds to countries outside the US?
[06:55] <crimsun> [Phaedrus] : yes
[06:55] <anir> hey guys does yahoo messanger works in linux?
[06:56] <crimsun> anir: yes, via Gaim's Yahoo transport
[06:56] <[Phaedrus] > thanks crimsun
[06:56] <crimsun> aquarius: use a web search engine to see if anyone has made unofficial debs
[06:56] <D0wnXcaST> anir: yes, use gaim
[06:56] <anir> crimsun i do yes synaptic.. now tell me ahead
[06:56] <crimsun> aquarius: otherwise your best bet is to compile and install it in /usr/local
[06:57] <punkrockguy318> what's the easiest way to get java5 on ubuntu?
[06:57] <crimsun> anir: open Synaptic
[06:57] <crimsun> punkrockguy318: follow the restricted formats howto on the wiki
[06:58] <aquarius> crimsun, yep, that's what *I'd* do, but I don't want to have to talk him through the ./configure, make, make install dance if I can avoid it; I'd rather either ship him a compiled binary or some previously existing thing which does the compilation etc for him. I did think about building my own .deb, but I'm not great at building debs.
[06:58] <crimsun> anir: click the Search icon in the top toolbar; type "libruby1.8" (without the quotes) in the Search box; click Search
[06:58] <punkrockguy318> crimsun, are you talking about creating my own package?
[06:59] <crimsun> punkrockguy318: no, I'm talking about install Java 1.5.0 on Ubuntu
[06:59] <crimsun> installing^
[07:00] <anir> crimsun there is nothing called libruby 1.8 only libryby is there... when i try to install it error msg comes
[07:00] <crimsun> anir: not "libruby 1.8", "libruby1.8"
[07:00] <crimsun> anir: note that there's no whitespace
[07:01] <anir> yes crimsun libruby1.8 only..its not there
[07:02] <anir> when i try to install libruby..it gives error meg saying it needs libruby1.8 which is uninstallable
[07:02] <crimsun> anir: don't try to install libruby. Install libruby1.8 after making sure the 'warty-security' repo is available
[07:03] <crimsun> actually, nevermind
[07:03] <crimsun> it doesn't really matter whether you pull in libruby or libruby1.8 directly
[07:03] <anir> how can i make sure that 'warty-security' repo is available crimsun?
[07:03] <crimsun> anir: in Synaptic, Settings>Repositories
[07:04] <crimsun> anir: there's a line that reads [ ]  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[07:04] <anir> then??
[07:04] <crimsun> anir: make sure that [ ]  is checked
[07:05] <anir> okay..crimsun
[07:05] <crimsun> anir: there's another line for 'universe'
[07:05] <crimsun> anir: make sure that box, too, is checked
[07:05] <anir> i have checked the universe crimsun
[07:05] <crimsun> both should be checked, then click OK
[07:05] <crimsun> then click Apply
[07:06] <anir> cool
[07:06] <crimsun> err
[07:06] <crimsun> click Reload
[07:06] <anir> okay
[07:07] <Kirsch> is there a good program to switch network profiles more easily? (Than the Network Configuration)? I have a wireless card and sometimes it takes a good 5-10min before it actually switches. any ideas?
[07:08] <Hikaru79> If I have a .sub file that goes with an .avi video, how do I load that in gxine? I tried simply opening the sub, but nothing showed up... =/
[07:12] <crimsun> Hikaru79: tried searching the web?
[07:12] <snerfu> I just went through the arduous task of upgrading from ubuntu warty to hoary, a few errors and things i had to fix but now that I have it running, I am really glad I did it
[07:12] <anir> where are you from crimsun?
[07:12] <punkrockguy318> what do I add to my sources.list to use http://z42.de/debian/?
[07:13] <tigger|nl> where can I find what program's Gnome automatically starts after login in?
[07:13] <tigger|nl> *programs
[07:14] <anir> why do we use WINE?
[07:14] <tsw> how can I find which package provides libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[07:15] <Riddell> tsw: dpkg -S libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[07:15] <crimsun> anir: southeastern US
[07:15] <crimsun> (libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2)
[07:15] <parallax> How do i Install xpde??
[07:15] <anir> cool you are a great guy crimsun
[07:16] <punkrockguy318> crimsun, what do I need to add to my sources.list to use the http://z42.de/debian/ java packages
[07:16] <tsw> Riddell: not found.. doesnt that search on installed packages only?
[07:16] <crimsun> tsw: I just told you which package you need to install. And yes, only installed packages.
[07:16] <anir> tsw do u have any idea about long horn?
[07:16] <Riddell> tsw: yes, use packages.debian.org for uninstalled packages
[07:17] <anir> crimsun do u have any idea about LongHorn
[07:17] <crimsun> anir: none.
[07:17] <sjoerd> anir: you've got an unhealty obsession with longhorn
[07:17] <tsw> anir: yes I noticed, but just little slow :)
[07:18] <anir> well i am using a trasforming code of LongHorn in Xp..
[07:18] <tsw> and the information that I can use packages.debian.org the same way that on debian is more helpfull on long run :)
[07:18] <crimsun> punkrockguy318: follow the directions
[07:18] <anir> u guys should look at it..competetion will be there
[07:19] <PotajiTo> j ati
[07:19] <punkrockguy318> ls
[07:19] <PotajiTo> wenas
[07:20] <tigger|nl> I'd installed a mail-notification program which automatically started after login in Gnome. But the program wasn't that good, so I removed it with apt-get, but forgot that it was starting automatically. So everytime I login now it gives an error that the mail-notification program can't be found. Were can I disable automatically starting up that program?
[07:20] <anir> i find the GUI greatr there
[07:21] <anir> crimsun.. my tv card doesnot work in linux.
[07:21] <D0wnXcaST> Anyone can tell me how i can create a DOS Boot disk in linux?
[07:21] <anir> u guys should work to make linux more user friendly and more compitible with available softwares
[07:22] <crimsun> you mistake Linux's goal, then.
[07:22] <anir> actually i dont know it crimsun..plz tell me
[07:23] <crimsun> anir: various projects have their own objectives. Not even Ubuntu aims to support everything.
[07:23] <sladen> D0wnXcaST: 'dd'
[07:24] <sladen> D0wnXcaST: dd of=/dev/fd0 if=dos-boot-disk.img
[07:24] <sladen> tigger|nl: is it a panel app?   right-click and remove it
[07:25] <anir> okay..so that means we can never expect a linux OS which will support Visual softwares?? like Visual Basic, VC++ etc
[07:25] <tigger|nl> sladen: no, not a panel app :(
[07:26] <D0wnXcaST> sladen: doesnt work?
[07:26] <crimsun> anir: I would not hold my breath for one, though some have tried.
[07:26] <D0wnXcaST> no such file
[07:27] <anir> crimsun what can we expect from ubuntu's next release?
[07:27] <_blackdog> anir, there is gambas,
[07:27] <D0wnXcaST> ???
[07:27] <_blackdog> it's VB like, I've never used it
[07:28] <_blackdog> has good press tho
[07:28] <crimsun> anir: see the wiki
[07:29] <anir> i am looking for a linux where i can use all the windows softwares..
[07:29] <tigger|nl> it is also not in Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup Programs Tab
[07:29] <anir> oops finally libruby1.8 installed...lol
[07:30] <crimsun> anir: why not just use Windows?
[07:30] <anir> why linux have been made crimsun?
[07:31] <crimsun> anir: that's a FAQ, search the web.
[07:31] <thenuke> anir: to run windows software without windows.
[07:32] <anir> its not about using linux or windows..definitely people will use that OS which gives more
[07:32] <mtl> thenuke: lol
[07:32] <mtl> :D
[07:33] <thenuke> anir: and they also use what they have got used to using :)
[07:33] <anir> crimsun what do i have to  install do play .dat files?
[07:33] <thenuke> most users do not see reason to fix something that works
[07:34] <anir> thenuke thats right..but people always need more.. thats why i am trying linux..and i am quite happy.. the thing is that limited software available here
[07:34] <tiger> hello
[07:34] <anir> thenuke what do i have to install to run .dat files??
[07:35] <thenuke> dunno.  .dat sounds not like something to be installed :)
[07:35] <thenuke> what is it and where did it come from?
[07:35] <anir> to play movie files
[07:36] <thenuke> anir: I have no glue about that :I
[07:36] <crimsun> anir: follow the restricted formats howtos on the wiki
[07:36] <anir> restricted?
[07:37] <_blackdog> apt-get install vlc worked for me, I'm using hoary tho
[07:38] <anir> is there restriction to play movie also crimsun?
[07:40] <tiger> helle
[07:40] <crimsun> see the wiki pages
[07:41] <anir> give me the add of wiki page
[07:42] <crimsun> anir: it's in the topic.
[07:42] <g> does anybody know why when i try to play americas army X restarts?
[07:42] <darkpeter> hi ho
[07:42] <joshua__> sorry
[07:42] <joshua__> hi
[07:43] <darkpeter> ow r u ?
[07:43] <anir> ubuntu doesnot play my music cd too..:(
[07:43] <joshua__> im good, im trying to get americas army to work... but whenever i try to play it restarts X
[07:43] <darkpeter> can u help me for install amsn ??
[07:43] <joshua__> whats that
[07:43] <darkpeter> which line can i put in my sources.list ??
[07:43] <Ribs> darkpeter: use Gaim
[07:43] <darkpeter> it'es a client for msn
[07:43] <darkpeter> ;)
[07:43] <darkpeter> ^
[07:43] <Ribs> amsn really, really, sucks
[07:43] <darkpeter> yeah
[07:43] <darkpeter> but ...
[07:44] <Ribs> Gaim can log into MSN without problems
[07:44] <darkpeter> ubuntu only with gnome ??
[07:44] <Ribs> What?
[07:44] <darkpeter> ubuntu work only with gnome ??
[07:44] <tigger|nl> darkpeter: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories and than you can just apt-get install amsn
[07:45] <darkpeter> ;)
[07:45] <darkpeter> thx
[07:45] <joshua__> darkpeter, ubuntu only directly supports gnome, but you can use KDE or anything else if you wish
[07:45] <darkpeter> caus ive got only a 400mhz ;)
[07:45] <anir> tigger|nl is amsn is better than gnome?
[07:46] <crimsun> amsn is not comparable with gnome
[07:46] <crimsun> the former is a MSN client, the latter, a desktop environment
[07:46] <djuuss> lol
[07:46] <djuuss> anir: but amsn is better then gaim if thats what you mean
[07:47] <djuuss> anir: imho
[07:47] <djuuss> (sorry to butt in)
[07:47] <tigger|nl> I think amsn is better than gaim to, I only use MSN (no icq/aim/etc.)
[07:48] <anir> some guys will mis-lead u..lol
[07:48] <anir> oh its gaim
[07:48] <tigger|nl> but if I would use icq/aim/etc. I would likely use gaim too, but for msn only I think amsn is better
[07:48] <djuuss> yup
[07:49] <tigger|nl> in gaim you can't see your current status (online/away/busy) for example
[07:49] <tigger|nl> at least, I couldn't see it ;)
[07:49] <djuuss> but to give credit where credit is due, msn > icq+aim
[07:49] <djuuss> m$ aint all bad ;)
[07:50] <tigger|nl> as longs as it runs on linux :P
[07:50] <djuuss> hmm you can make gaim to show your current stat
[07:50] <tsw> isnt irc enough?
[07:50] <anir> does amsn works with yahoo???
[07:50] <djuuss> no
[07:50] <tigger|nl> gaim is
[07:50] <djuuss> amsn works with msn
[07:50] <darkpeter> arf :(
[07:50] <djuuss> gaim *does*
[07:50] <darkpeter> can u send me your sources.list ??
[07:51] <darkpeter> plz
[07:51] <darkpeter> cause i erase it :(
[07:51] <darkpeter> from the apt folder
[07:51] <djuuss> depends on your geographic location if you should use mine
[07:51] <tigger|nl> i'll send
[07:51] <djuuss> i use ftp.nluug.nl
[07:51] <djuuss> solid 700KB/s
[07:52] <djuuss> and up
[07:52] <anir> or i can only use gaim
[07:52] <darkpeter> arf
[07:52] <djuuss> tsw: no irc isn't enough :)
[07:53] <darkpeter> resend plz
[07:53] <djuuss> is probarbly me
[07:53] <darkpeter> :(
[07:53] <djuuss> power failure-->modem haywired
[07:53] <tigger|nl> plz :$
[07:53] <darkpeter> he refuse
[07:53] <darkpeter> :D
[07:53] <djuuss> tsw: apt-get install amsn should work
[07:54] <djuuss> i'll copypast
[07:54] <darkpeter> anyone can send me the sources.list ??
[07:54] <djuuss> here's what should be in the default
[07:54] <darkpeter> it's don't work with tigger
[07:54] <tsw> depends imlib1 not going to be installed and so on with sox docker and tcltls
[07:55] <anir> crimsun what do i need to play music cd?
[07:55] <tsw> darkpeter: why do you need sources.list?
[07:55] <crimsun> headphones/speakers, a cdrom, a cd.
[07:55] <darkpeter> tsw: cause i erase mine :(
[07:55] <djuuss> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[07:55] <djuuss> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[07:56] <punkrockguy318> why is it required that java pkgs are built?  why can't a sun-j2re1.5 exist in multiverse?
[07:56] <anir> lol crimsun i have them all.. i was asking do i need anything else in linux?
[07:56] <crimsun> anir: you need precisely what I listed.
[07:56] <darkpeter> thx
[07:56] <njan> I thought that this was specific to one machine I have, but I've downloaded a hoary CD and tried it in another.. gnome-theme-manager eats 100% of processor on both machines I've tried it on..
[07:56] <djuuss> punkrockguy318: dpkg needs to know you *have* java so it can install packages with java deps
[07:57] <njan> in warty and in hoary..
[07:57] <tigger|nl> djuuss: what is the line for ftp.nluug.nl ?
[07:57] <punkrockguy318> djuuss, yeah, but why can't the java package be provided in multiverse?
[07:58] <djuuss> dunno i'm on my laptop now
[07:58] <njan> has anyone else had the same problem?
[07:58] <tsw> is there some instant messenger for linux that handles msn messenger webcam options?
[07:58] <dreamcatcher> anyone having troubles installing mono on powerpc?
[07:59] <djuuss> punkrockguy318: good point..
[08:00] <djuuss> tigger|nl: wasn't there something like apt-get netselect ?
[08:00] <djuuss> tigger|nl: should give you the fastest mirror
[08:00] <tigger|nl> i'll try, tnx
[08:00] <darkpeter> is ubuntu unstable ??
[08:00] <darkpeter> debian unstable ??
[08:00] <crimsun> ubuntu is a debian-based distro
[08:01] <crimsun> only hoary is similar to sid
[08:01] <darkpeter> yeah :)
[08:01] <darkpeter> but how to make in debian testing ?
[08:01] <crimsun> come again?
[08:02] <darkpeter> no
[08:02] <darkpeter> sry :p
[08:02] <darkpeter> it's alright
[08:02] <darkpeter> sry for my bad english i'm french :)
[08:03] <djuuss> ubuntu is debian unstable stable ;)
[08:04] <djuuss> tigger|nl: sorry.. apt-get install netselect
[08:04] <tigger|nl> djuuss: found it already :)
[08:05] <tigger|nl> very useful!
[08:05] <joshua__> anybody have any insight into why Americas Army would crash X?
[08:05] <djuuss> tigger|nl: what servers did you try?
[08:06] <tigger|nl> fastest are: ftp.cprm.net and ftp.tiscali.de
[08:06] <Hikaru79> I have a USB external hard drive that I'm copying about 4 GB worth of files to. Now, I know that USB isn't exactly lightning-quick, but atm it's saying that it will take over 2 hours to transfer the files. It went *MUCH* faster in Windows. Is there some USB driver or something that I have to get for performance?
[08:07] <tigger|nl> funny, 'cause I'm in NL ;)
[08:09] <djuuss> tigger|nl: i know the feeling.. i usually use ftp.uni-erlangen.de for apt on debian regular because its faster then ftp.nluug.nl which is in utrecht
[08:10] <D0wnXcaST> Anyone can tell me how i can create a DOS Boot disk in linux?
[08:10] <djuuss> but then again, i'm on an 8Mbit line, "fast" isn't a fixed value ;)
[08:11] <mjr> well, you pretty much need _some_ version of DOS to make a DOS boot disk, but you can do it in some system emulation software like bochs or dosemu, I suppose
[08:11] <tigger|nl> :), well, 300KB/sec on a 2,5 Mbit isn't bad either
[08:11] <tsw> I have 4Mbit line and Im gettin about 350KB/sec havent yet figured out whats wrong..
[08:12] <djuuss> tigger|nl: i'd rather walk to my data, thanks
[08:12] <tigger|nl> tsw: run 'apt-get install netselect-apt'  then! ;)
[08:12] <tigger|nl> and netselect-apt
[08:12] <tsw> tigger|nl: ?
[08:13] <djuuss> i get about 880 from fast servers
[08:13] <tigger|nl> than I seeks for the fastest mirror
[08:13] <tigger|nl> seeks=search :$
[08:13] <djuuss> but it touches 1.2 MB/s once in a while :P
[08:13] <mirak> hi
[08:14] <tsw> the speeds are tested from a good fast known server
[08:14] <tsw> its not apt-get related
[08:14] <djuuss> then it's connection related
[08:14] <tsw> yes I know
[08:14] <djuuss> mine is officially labeled as "2-8Mbit"
[08:14] <tsw> just havent found where the problem is
[08:15] <djuuss> but since the nearest hub is about 100m out, i get 8Mbit all the time
[08:15] <tsw> I had 2Mbit line, but now my isp has doubled all speeds so mine increased to 4Mbits..
[08:15] <djuuss> guess the problem isn't in settings, but in infrastructure then
[08:16] <tsw> it could be that the isp has some wierd settings on the network.. or just saturated
[08:18] <djuuss> call 'm up
[08:19] <djuuss> i say
[08:19] <tsw> maybe I should.. I was a reseller on summer :)
[08:19] <tsw> but then again I know how their system works, and calling doesnt help
[08:19] <djuuss> lol
[08:20] <djuuss> if the employees aren't supposed to know how it works, i guess it won't no :P
[08:20] <tsw> and its not like I dont have the time waiting for a extra minute or so
[08:21] <djuuss> 350 for a 4mbit isn't all bad
[08:21] <illek> Hi all.  Can anyone tell me how to eliminate sudo and just be able to login as root?
[08:21] <djuuss> yeah
[08:21] <djuuss> just sudo passwd
[08:21] <tsw> should be somewhere around 440-460 imho
[08:22] <illek> tks
[08:22] <djuuss> should be
[08:23] <tsw> netselect-apt thinks fastest mirror is ftp.at.debian.org
[08:23] <tsw> would think that the fastest mirror should be on the same country  :)
[08:24] <tigger|nl> at least something closer!
[08:24] <tigger|nl> finland ---> austria
[08:24] <tigger|nl> holland --> germany isn't so weird
[08:25] <tsw> maybe it doesnt test ftp.funet.fi
[08:25] <djuuss> yeah you can get good rates for holland-->germany
[08:25] <djuuss> in the 700's
[08:25] <tsw> my guess for the fastest in finland :)
[08:26] <tsw> speaking of IM:s trillian 3.0 has been released :)
[08:26] <djuuss> who?
[08:26] <tsw> oh its windows only..
[08:26] <djuuss> trillian = skypeish?
[08:27] <tigger|nl> trillian = gaim-like
[08:27] <mameluke> hehe, run and buy! -> http://www.linuxiso.org/ads/banners/5308_12pack.gif
[08:27] <tsw> trillian is Instant Messenger client capable of using msn icq aim yahoo..
[08:27] <djuuss> whadaa you mean "its windows only", stop wining! ;)
[08:29] <djuuss> so whats so good about trillian?
[08:29] <joshua__> does anybody have any experience with ubuntu and americas army
[08:29] <tsw> imho nothing just got the news from a bot that reads slashdot headlines :)
[08:29] <joshua__> djuuss, it does the same thing as gaim, cept worse
[08:30] <stuNNed_> whoa gxine has improved tremendously
[08:30] <joshua__> thats stunning
[08:30] <djuuss> joshua__:l0l (and about AA, it should just work, unless you don't have 3daccel )
[08:30] <djuuss> hehe
[08:30] <joshua__> djuuss, i do... glxgears runs at 2500+... when i try to run AA it crashes X
[08:31] <djuuss> :|
[08:31] <djuuss> tried other games?
[08:31] <joshua__> nope
[08:31] <djuuss> RTCW:ET, nwn?
[08:31] <NewComer> any fast ubuntu mirrors
[08:31] <NewComer> ?
[08:31] <NewComer> archive.ubuntu is slow
[08:31] <tigger|nl> lol
[08:32] <tigger|nl> apt-get mirror?
[08:32] <djuuss> NewComer: type this-> sudo apt-get install netselect
[08:32] <tigger|nl> ;)
[08:32] <NewComer> cool
[08:32] <joshua__> djuuss, nope, havent tried any
[08:33] <joshua__> djuuss, AA = already paid for
[08:33] <joshua__> ;-)
[08:33] <djuuss> joshua__: well i found that on ubuntu, when one game doesn't work, and another one doesn't either, there's something *wrong*
[08:33] <joshua__> djuuss, i think thats fairly universal
[08:34] <djuuss> so? universal doesn't mean false :P
[08:34] <joshua__> djuuss, usually when one doesn't work there is a problem
[08:34] <joshua__> ;-)
[08:34] <djuuss> what vidcard do you use?
[08:34] <tigger|nl> when all don't work, the problem isn't at AA probably
[08:34] <joshua__> 9700 pro
[08:34] <joshua__> see the thing is
[08:35] <mxpxpod> when upgrading to python2.4 in hoary, is anyone else having problems with the python2.4-pyorbit package?
[08:35] <joshua__> i had it working on warty
[08:35] <joshua__> then i upgraded to hoary
[08:35] <joshua__> then i installed another warty when i realized the drivers in hoary arnt acclerated for ati
[08:35] <max__> anyone able to get the nvidia drivers working with hoary and the 2.6.9 kernel?
[08:35] <NewComer> netselect will select the fastest mirror, but where are the mirrors?!!
[08:35] <joshua__> and now i cant get it working in warty
[08:35] <njs12345> hmm
[08:35] <djuuss> so you upgraded and downgraded
[08:35] <njs12345> has anyone followed the workaround.org email article?
[08:36] <djuuss> that does tend to break configs yeah
[08:36] <max__> when I startup X, the it won't go farther than the splash screen and the cursor is extremely slow
[08:36] <joshua__> djuuss: no, i have two versions on my comp
[08:36] <tigger|nl> NewComer: you wan't to download ubuntu-iso?
[08:36] <tigger|nl> wan't=want
[08:36] <djuuss> and does it work on the other version?
[08:36] <joshua__> djuuss, warty and hoary
[08:36] <joshua__> djuuss, well the hoary drivers are not accelerated, so it cant work at all
[08:36] <NewComer> tigger|nl, no, wanna upgrade to hoary
[08:37] <djuuss> and it works on warty?
[08:37] <NewComer> found the mirrors
[08:37] <NewComer> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[08:37] <joshua__> djuuss, no, thats what im trying to get working.... it worked on my original warty version
[08:37] <djuuss> suppose you'll  need to get drivers for ati again
[08:38] <joshua__> djuuss, like i said earlier, they are accelerated for ATI
[08:38] <joshua__> djuuss, glxgears runs at 2500+ fps
[08:38] <djuuss> odd
[08:38] <djuuss> try to wine(x) the windows version?
[08:39] <djuuss> or upgrade x
[08:39] <joshua__> djuuss, and i can't see the error thats causing it because it crashes x before i can run see it
[08:39] <djuuss> run it from the terminal, does it have a verbose mode?
[08:39] <joshua__> djuuss: dude, i do run it from the terminal... but i cannot see the output because X crashes
[08:40] <djuuss> check the syslog
[08:40] <joshua__> where is that
[08:40] <ferris> after I installed linux... my mouse is a square block.... I installed on a laptop (sony viao)
[08:40] <djuuss> applications-->system tools-->system log
[08:41] <ferris> is there a resolve for this?
[08:41] <dreamcatcher> anyone using mono packages from horary on powerpc?
[08:41] <joshua__> djuuss, all i see is (pam_unix_ session closed and then session opend for user joshua
[08:42] <djuuss> guess you could try to reinstall X..
[08:43] <joshua__> djuuss, what the hell is the point? it worked before, and i didn't do anything to this computer
[08:43] <joshua__> err
[08:43] <joshua__> to this install
[08:43] <joshua__> well this is interesting
[08:43] <joshua__> hehe
[08:43] <djuuss> download it again i say
[08:43] <joshua__> i just installed it again
[08:43] <joshua__> it works
[08:43] <joshua__> thanks for your help
[08:43] <djuuss> :D
[08:43] <djuuss> lol
[08:44] <joshua__> djuuss, question is i have two displays, would disabling acceleration on one display increase my FPS while playing on the other?
[08:44] <alfatau> hi, i mounted a win2000 (NTFS) share with "mount -t smbfs" but i can't create (from my machine) a file bigger than 2GB onto that share. So i tried to copy the file from the win2000 machine, sharing it with the newest samba and in that way i was able to copy the huge file. So, why can't i copy a file bigger than 2GB from my machine to a win2000 one but i can take successfully it from samba share of my machine using the win2000 one?
[08:45] <djuuss> depends on how much memory your card had
[08:45] <djuuss> has
[08:45] <joshua__> djuuss, well it cant hurt... how can i go about doing that
[08:45] <djuuss> dunno don't use multiple screens
[08:45] <djuuss> how many instances of X are running?
[08:46] <joshua__> djuuss, there has to be a way to use different drivers on different displays
[08:46] <joshua__> djuuss, i assume only one...
[08:46] <djuuss> but having *acceleration* on or off doesn't matter, as long as your using it on only one screen
[08:46] <njan> alfatau, that's probably because the filing system on the remote machine doesn't support files larger than 2gb :)
[08:46] <joshua__> djuuss, hmm, ok. whatever
[08:46] <joshua__> djuuss, thanks for your help
[08:47] <njan> alfatau, unfortunately, inferior operating systems to linux still use filing systems with stupidly small filesize limits ;)
[08:47] <Kyaneos> hi
[08:47] <joshua__> well djuuss... this is interesting
[08:48] <joshua__> djuuss, apparently AA doesn't like my CRT display... it doesn't crash from my LCD but it does from my CRT
[08:48] <njan> alfatau, actually, strike that.. re-read your post. That is odd.. it may be a problem with either samba or the windows implementation of smb.. I'd try searching msdn and seeing if anyone who develops / uses samba has any idea..
[08:48] <djuuss> theres definitly something wrong with your xconfig file then :) *especially* the device section of your crt
[08:48] <joshua__> djuuss, minor problem, but interesting none the less.... ill figure it out later
[08:48] <alfatau> njan: no, it isn't because i can get the large file through the samba server running on my linux box, using the win2000 machine
[08:49] <njan> alfatau, yeah, re-read your post .. *points above*
[08:49] <djuuss> whats the easiest way to get nvidia-glx?
[08:49] <djuuss> without having manually modprobe nvidia
[08:49] <djuuss> having *to*
[08:50] <NewComer> netselect says that artfiles.org is the fastest mirror near me, yet i get 6Kb/s only!
[08:51] <NewComer> any one near the mediterranean?
[08:52] <ferris> can someone tell me how to fix my mouse?... it is a square block, does not look lik an arrow, or anything just a distorted square.... I am using a laptop... with a touchpad
[08:52] <ferris> is there a script or something that I can use to focus it?
[08:53] <bur[n] er> what's the command to edit startup services???
[08:53] <bur[n] er> i was thinking debconf, but i forget now
[08:54] <bur[n] er> rcconf... found it :)
[08:54] <djuuss> get a list of mirrors near you
[08:55] <djuuss> mediterranean? where?
[08:55] <NewComer> anywhere, germany and france mirrors are fast to me
[08:57] <NewComer> but not ubuntu mirrors
[08:57] <djuuss> then just use the ubuntu mirrors for main
[08:58] <djuuss> and a debian mirror for universe
[08:58] <mirak> hi
[08:59] <mirak> why isn't the frame buffer enabled in the kernel ?
[08:59] <sladen> mirak: should be
[09:00] <mirak> I should have /dev/fb0 device then, no ?
[09:00] <mirak> sladen: is that a kernel boot option ?
[09:01] <sladen> mirak: have you loaded the modules?
[09:01] <mirak> no
[09:01] <mirak> fbdev ?
[09:02] <sladen> mirak: sudo modprobe vesafb
[09:03] <mirak> sladen: it's loaded
[09:03] <mirak> now
[09:03] <mirak> sladen: what must I do to enable it ?
[09:05] <IRCMonkey99999> whois
[09:07] <snowball> I tried upgrading from a basic debian install over the network as shown here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes.  I can't get X to start and get errors like "no symbols found"  Anyone know how to fix this?
[09:13] <sjoerd> pitti: home again ?
[09:13] <pitti> hi sjoerd
[09:13] <pitti> sjoerd: yes, returned about an hour ago
[09:13] <sjoerd> good flight ?
[09:14] <pitti> sjoerd: had some delay, but otherwise fine
[09:14] <pitti> sjoerd: nice to see my gf again :-)
[09:14] <pitti> sjoerd: and nice to be home
[09:15] <pitti> sjoerd: although it's darn cold
[09:15] <sjoerd> hehe
[09:15] <sjoerd> it's freezing there
[09:15] <sjoerd> ?
[09:15] <pitti> sjoerd: it's snowing
[09:16] <benkong2> greetings all I am about to install ubuntu soon as my dl finishes and I burn a cd any thoughts? I looked at the starter guide but did not see install docs.
[09:16] <sjoerd> pitti: then it feels more like almost christmas
[09:16] <phin> benkong2: hopefully you enjoy it on a workstation as much as i do :)
[09:16] <pitti> sjoerd: true
[09:16] <pitti> sjoerd: walking over an xmas market in a T-Shirt is sooo wrong
[09:16] <phin> nothing but good things to say.. thou i wish they had a hostap kernel :(
[09:16] <Rene_S> bah humbug, Christmas should be cancelled and every made to work twice as long.
[09:17] <sjoerd> pitti: haha
[09:17] <benkong2> phin: I hope so I am currently using gentoo on an amd64
[09:17] <D0wnXcaST> Anyone can tell me how i can create a DOS Boot disk in linux?
[09:17] <benkong2> phin: what is a hostap kernel
[09:17] <Slackman> mkfatfs?
[09:17] <sjoerd> pitti: it was around 0 when i came back home.. Was a very odd feeling
[09:18] <Rene_S> 0 try -205
[09:18] <pitti> night, guys
[09:18] <benkong2> pitti: night
[09:18] <sjoerd> pitti: night
[09:18] <miggumike> hey, i installed kde 3.3 on my ubuntu and my xmms doesn't work in it.  xmms opens and i load a song but when i click play it freezes and no song plays...
[09:19] <Slackman> question, does warty ever change aside from security updates etc..i.e is xorg ever likely to make it into warty or do we need to wait for hoary to be released?
[09:19] <Riddell> miggumike: try killall artsd
[09:19] <Riddell> Slackman: warty doesn't change
[09:19] <benkong2> are there specific install docs for ubuntu located anywhere? Is the CD a live CD?
[09:20] <snowball> aargh.  I hate having no working CD-ROM.
[09:20] <Riddell> benkong2: it uses debian-installer, there is a separate live CD (based on Morphix)
[09:20] <Slackman> Riddell ah k...is there a roadmap to see when hoary will be released or is it just when ever its ready?
[09:20] <benkong2> I just read an article that Hoary is out
[09:20] <miggumike> riddell: nothing still
[09:20] <Riddell> Slackman: releases are every 6 months, roadmap will be somewhere in the wiki
[09:20] <Riddell> miggumike: use juK?
[09:20] <benkong2> Is this wrong? http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9098
[09:21] <benkong2> I am dl the amd-64 install cd now is that a boot CD?
[09:21] <Riddell> benkong2: is what wrong?
[09:21] <miggumike> riddell: i'll install and try =)
[09:21] <benkong2> Riddell: the article that says hoary is released
[09:22] <Riddell> benkong2: install CD is an install CD, it will be bootable into debian-installer
[09:22] <benkong2> Riddell: thanks
[09:22] <Riddell> benkong2: hoary is in development, you can get it by changing your apt sources from warty to hoary, it's not releases
[09:22] <Riddell> released
[09:22] <gpled> are their docs that talk about recovering from an install fail?
[09:23] <newtoubuntu> hey, does anyone know how I can get at the files in my windows partition?
[09:23] <benkong2> Riddell: Ok thanks
[09:23] <miggumike> =)
[09:23] <miggumike> riddell: thanks this works just fine
[09:24] <newtoubuntu> or better yet, how to get netzero to work with ubuntu. they have a .deb file, but I cant get to it since its dled in my windows partition
[09:24] <lwillis> Is anyone using subversion from hoary at the moment - it seems to be borked?
[09:24] <lwillis> Keeps just reporting "Can't find a temporary directory" ..
[09:26] <imka> any developers here?
[09:26] <snowball> miggummike: You might be able to mount it with the mount command.
[09:26] <imka> i want to help with translation, but i get no response on the mailing list
[09:26] <snowball> miggummike: your windows partition that is.
[09:30] <XhyldazhK> hi all
[09:31] <XhyldazhK> how do I download and install from sources?
[09:31] <gpled> sudo apt-get install   getting command not found
[09:34] <KAOS> Good Afternoon....
[09:35] <tsw> you meen good evening ;)
[09:35] <tsw> or good night
[09:35] <KAOS> just a note for anyone taking notes on PPC G4 Ubuntu install.... : It doesnt like the Adaptec SCSI cards that come standard w. some Macs...
[09:36] <KAOS> but good evenin tsw
[09:36] <XhyldazhK> ubuntu's indent is broken!!!
[09:36] <tsw> KAOS: good afternoon for you :)
[09:36] <KAOS> ty tsw.
[09:37] <KAOS> XhyldazhK...no clue on that as my ubuntu install is still configuring/downloadin packages :S
[09:38] <NewComer> dd
[09:38] <XhyldazhK> I configured it from sources and it's still broken!
[09:40] <lukins> how do i start firefox automatically to start at bootup?
[09:43] <neighborlee> lukins, not positive as I dont do it but I believe in : /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
[09:44] <lukins> i did it once but can't remember, it was in gnome somewhere not in a script...
[09:45] <neighborlee> lukins, easier in : computer > desktop prefs > sessions > startup programs: add
[09:45] <neighborlee> heh yes
[09:45] <gpled> what package do i need to install to get xwindow working?
[09:45] <gpled> install failed
[09:46] <gpled> was something like apt-get install x-window-base
[09:46] <Rene_S> ? now how in the world does that happen ?
[09:46] <neighborlee> gpled: I had that too once and I forget why it does it but ..try: apt-get install gnome
[09:46] <Rene_S> apt-get install x-window-system
[09:46] <EfaistOs> does someone know why gnome-sound-recorder doesnt work ?
[09:46] <lukins> neighborlee, thats it exactly, thanks!
[09:46] <neighborlee> EfaistOs, I never use it finding it a bit wonkie
[09:47] <neighborlee> EfaistOs, i'd use : audacity
[09:47] <neighborlee> EfaistOs, much better and far superior audio app if not overkill for just sound bite recording <G>
[09:47] <neighborlee> lukins, np
[09:48] <KAOS> is Openbox available for Ubuntu? outta curiousity
[09:50] <magnon> KAOS: mad man :P
[09:50] <magnon> but it's in universe
[09:50] <magnon> in hoary, at least
[09:52] <lukins> random question: what is multiverse?
[09:54] <xhyldazhk_> hey
[09:54] <xhyldazhk_> indent is broken in my system
[09:54] <xhyldazhk_> is the same for all you?
[09:54] <gpled> striking out.  trying sudo apt-get update, then upgrade
[09:55] <magnon> lukins: some stuff that isn't possible to include in multiverse because of licensing issues, so it can't be supported the same way - but software that is still useful to users like mp3 things
[09:55] <gpled> ubuntu failed to get xwindow instaled
[09:55] <lukins> magnon, thanks
[09:55] <KAOS> ok...so package is avail...cool...
[09:56] <lukins> gpled, have you tried the gnoppix livecd, did x come up for you with that?
[09:56] <magnon> KAOS: you can search for packages in synaptic or using the command apt-cache search <package>
[09:56] <KAOS> yeah...im still in the Install/config processes tho...
[09:56] <magnon> aha
[09:56] <KAOS> just getin ready for what i can install later ;)
[09:57] <xhyldazhk_> where can i get a working 'indent' for my system???
[09:57] <titanium> i just burned warty live to a cd and tried to boot from it. the first time i booted from it, after the progress bar was full, my computer restarted. the second time at the bootloader i chose 'load media into memory', and after a few minutes of cd accessing, i was dumped to a kernel panic screen. any ideas?
[09:57] <magnon> you should give the gnome configuration in ubuntu a shot though, in my opinion that's what makes ubuntu greater.
[09:57] <gpled> lukins: i has ubuntu working.  just mozilla could not see webpages on the internet.  could see local.  so i reinstalled
[09:57] <magnon> in addition to a bunch of other stuff of course
[09:57] <gpled> last time i had to manual apt-get x window
[09:58] <xhyldazhk_> where can I get a working indent?
[09:58] <KAOS> magnon...i'll give it a shot...since i have to ;).....but yeah...i'll see whats up w. it...
[09:58] <gpled> has anyone done an install with in the past 24 hours?
[09:58] <magnon> I think you might be surprised.
[09:58] <KAOS> the last gnome version i used i didnt like at all....tho after usin OSX , gnome will probly feel really close
[09:58] <magnon> KAOS: when was that?
[09:58] <KAOS> gpled, im installing Right now, on a PPC box
[09:58] <gpled> i wonder if something is up with the source packages.  never had this much trouble before
[09:59] <gpled> KAOS: let me know how it goes
[09:59] <KAOS> magnon. was on Slack 9.0, bout a year n a half ago
[09:59] <gpled> KAOS: where did you get the PPC box from?
[09:59] <magnon> just curious, knowing a lot of people who have excused themselves for their gnome criticism after trying out Warty
[09:59] <gpled> old apple?
[09:59] <KAOS> gpled...you gettin the package update?
[10:00] <KAOS> gpled: im dualbootin OSX and Ubuntu on a Dual 533cpu G4
[10:00] <gpled> KAOS: yep, packages are updating
[10:00] <neighborlee> gpled, i'd have thought that was fixed by now but it happened to be first time I installed...it happened I believe when I told it to get updates instead of doing it once I had desktop running....
[10:00] <xhyldazhk_> hey where can I get a working ubuntu indent?
[10:00] <titanium> so does anyone know anything about booting from ubuntu with the livecd
[10:01] <EfaistOs> neighborlee, i cant record things even with audacity ...
[10:01] <gpled> neighborlee: you talking about the browser not working?
[10:01] <neighborlee> gpled, nope I wasn't
[10:01] <KAOS> titanium: only thing i know is that liveCD is for x86 machines....make sure your CD drive is set to boot before HDD in Bios
[10:02] <neighborlee> gpled, that just sounds like you weren't actually connected to net
[10:02] <KAOS> gpled: install went great....i just got ubuntu main screen
[10:02] <KAOS> logged in
[10:02] <gpled> neighborlee: i could use xchat :)
[10:02] <neighborlee> EfaistOs, are you sure MIC is plugged in properly and set to 'record' in mixer ?
[10:02] <KAOS> so im gonna hop outta my ircbot...and onto ubuntu...cya in a while
[10:02] <gpled> do you think i should not do the update during install?
[10:03] <ztonzy> hi :)
[10:03] <neighborlee> gpled, then you might have tried: rm ~/.mozilla first or removed it and  installed via synaptic
[10:03] <gpled> just leave it, and reboot, then use synaptic in x?
[10:03] <neighborlee> gpled, i'm pretty sure thats how I got in trouble but as I say i'd have thought they'd fixed that
[10:03] <ztonzy> anyone know to see me as user getting the USB rights for my system ?
[10:04] <neighborlee> gpled, thats what i'd do yes
[10:04] <neighborlee> ztonzy, I didn't really...anyway usb just should work
[10:04] <neighborlee> ztonzy, whats not working for you
[10:04] <nictuku> i dint either hehe
[10:04] <gpled> neighborlee: iv done two installs with out a hitch. first time i try and put it on windows users machine, a heck breaks loose :)
 titanium: only thing i know is that liveCD is for x86 machines....make sure your CD drive is set to boot before HDD in Bios      ubuntu begins to load but does not load successfully (my machine reboots when the progress bar fills, or i am dumped to a kernal panic screen).
[10:04] <neighborlee> gpled, haha
[10:05] <ztonzy> neighborlee, I just got the lastest gphoto2 things and I cant connect if I am not 'root'  so I want the USB to let me as user to have the rights
[10:05] <neighborlee> gpled, and linux knew that! <G>
[10:05] <neighborlee> heh
[10:05] <neighborlee> ztonzy, oh ic
[10:05] <ztonzy> neighborlee, and funny is...now finally my Kodak EZ200 works !!!
[10:05] <sjoerd> ztonzy: are you in group plugdev ?
[10:06] <ztonzy> sjoerd, hmm lemme see
[10:06] <gpled> whats up with now being able to power off at shutdown?
[10:06] <gpled> how do you fix that?
[10:06] <neighborlee> ztonzy,well I guess you would change your permissions on the device itself at: /dev/blah
[10:06] <grit_> hello
[10:06] <neighborlee> ztonzy,kewl
[10:06] <neighborlee> grit_, hi
[10:06] <ztonzy> sjoerd, yes...
[10:06] <ztonzy> correct
[10:06] <nictuku> shouldn't that be changed in /etc/fstab?
[10:07] <Hikaru79> I can't seem to eject my cd-rom... it insists that it's busy, but it's NOT
[10:07] <Hikaru79> o_o Any ideas?
[10:07] <ztonzy> neighborlee, sure if I am only could find it *grin*
[10:07] <grit_> hey does anybody know the command to change a few things in ubuntu
[10:07] <grit_> it was in the installation
[10:07] <grit_> but i forgot it
[10:07] <Hikaru79> grit_, what things?
[10:07] <sjoerd> ztonzy: is the usb endpoint chownt to group plugdev ?
[10:07] <grit_> like what resolutions you want to use
[10:07] <Hikaru79> Oh
[10:07] <ztonzy> sjoerd, hmmm....  endpoint ?
[10:07] <Hikaru79> I think it's something like sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:07] <magnon> Hikaru79: HAL seems to steal your cdrom now and then
[10:08] <magnon> Hikaru79: use Nautilus to eject it
[10:08] <Hikaru79> I tried, magnon
[10:08] <Hikaru79> But it says that it's busy
[10:08] <Hikaru79> I've tried CLI and Nautilus
[10:08] <neighborlee> grit_, if you just  mean resolution thats done right from desktop menu
[10:08] <Hikaru79> And manually pressing the button, of course
[10:08] <EfaistOs> does someone know if a quickcam webcam is detected by default in ubuntu ?
[10:08] <grit_> yes
[10:08] <ztonzy> sjoerd, sorry bit of intermediate linuxuser :P
[10:08] <grit_> but i want 1280x1024
[10:08] <grit_> and it isnt in there
[10:08] <sjoerd> ztonzy: /prob/bus/usb/blabla there are nodes added if you plug in your camera
[10:08] <sjoerd> ztonzy: they should be chowned to group plugdev
[10:08] <magnon> Hikaru79: hm, what does lsof tell you?
[10:08] <neighborlee> EfaistOs, would depend which one it was
[10:09] <Hikaru79> Just 'lsof'?
[10:09] <Hikaru79> Or are there any args I have to use?
[10:09] <ztonzy> sjoerd, oki!
[10:09] <neighborlee> lsof ?..gez talk about your tons of output !LOL
[10:09] <ztonzy> sjoerd, you mean /proc ?
[10:09] <grit_> ok that wasnt it guys
[10:09] <sjoerd> ztonzy: uhm, yes
[10:09] <grit_> brb
[10:09] <ztonzy> =)
[10:09] <EfaistOs> neighborlee, quickcam communicate ... lsusb detects it ... but i dunno what are the others modules to load ... with xawtv and gnomemeeting it's not working/detecting
[10:10] <EfaistOs> if someone have a good documentation about it ...
[10:10] <neighborlee> EfaistOs, well make sure one that is known to work in linux first
[10:10] <eric> hello again
[10:11] <ulisse> Hi channel!
[10:11] <paulproteus> Hi ulisse!
[10:11] <ulisse> Someone here is using Hoary?
[10:11] <Hikaru79> I am, ulisse :)
[10:11] <ulisse> Do you know a way to edit the gnome menus?
[10:12] <Hikaru79> =/ Nope... try asking in the forum
[10:12] <ztonzy> sjoerd, I tried ' sudo chown plugdev -R * '  ---  which gave me an error as it is no user
[10:12] <ztonzy> sjoerd, in the dir:  /proc/bus/usb
[10:12] <grit_> does anybody remember the menu in the installation that asks you for some resolutions you want to use?
[10:12] <EfaistOs> neighborlee, where ?
[10:12] <sjoerd> ztonzy: uhm, no please check what the permissions of the new items are
[10:12] <sjoerd> ztonzy: then we can find out what is going wrong (it should just work)
[10:12] <ulisse> In warty I used to do it by rightclicking on them, but in hoary it semms to be disabled
[10:12] <ztonzy> sjoerd, they are just numbers  00*
[10:13] <ztonzy> 00#  I mean
[10:13] <sjoerd> ztonzy: ls -l
[10:13] <sjoerd> ztonzy: it will show you usernames
[10:13] <ztonzy> well
[10:13] <ztonzy> here it just shows 001 ->
[10:13] <ztonzy> dr-xr-xr-x    2 root     root            0 2004-12-17 11:00 001
[10:13] <ztonzy> dr-xr-xr-x    2 root     root            0 2004-12-17 11:00 002
[10:13] <ztonzy> dr-xr-xr-x    2 root     root            0 2004-12-17 11:00 003
[10:13] <ztonzy> -r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 2004-12-18 21:48 devices
[10:14] <grit_> how do i change the resolution menu, i want it to have 1280x1024 too
[10:14] <ztonzy> sorry for pasting !
[10:14] <Qerub> Hello. I'm having some problems with getting fglrx working in Ubuntu (Warty). Everything is installed fine, but the computer locks up when running 3D intensive stuff like Tux Racer. (glxgears works.) Any ideas?
[10:14] <sjoerd> ztonzy: and inside the directories
[10:14] <ztonzy> same there I guess
[10:15] <ulisse> grit_, I think you have to edit /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[10:15] <grit_> i dont have Xorg.conf
[10:15] <ztonzy> sjoerd, yes...root for all
[10:15] <Hikaru79> Gaah... I still can't eject the stupid CD-ROM >____<
[10:15] <Rene_S> Hammer
[10:15] <ulisse> grit_, so edit XF86.conf
[10:15] <Rene_S> and a crowbar
[10:15] <grit_> yes i did that but it doesnt work
[10:16] <paulproteus> grit_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 may do it.
[10:16] <grit_> no
[10:16] <ulisse> grit_, I think paulproteus is right...
[10:17] <ulisse> grit_, how did you edit your XF86 file?
[10:17] <grit_> i added the resolution to the list
[10:17] <ulisse> But in what depth?
[10:17] <grit_> all of them
[10:17] <sjoerd> ztonzy: can you check in the device manager if 'Device Type' of your camera is indeed camera
[10:17] <DeviantDog> howdy
[10:17] <neighborlee> EfaistOs, http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ < try here
[10:17] <gpled> poor guy, trying to talk a windows guy through an install, over the phone.  talking over the phone. he has dsl.
[10:17] <ian__> so I did an upgrade with a debian repository in the list, and it screwed some things up.  after some more apt-get magic it's mostly working again but I can't add a clock to the panel and a bunch of icons are missing.  any hints on how to figure out what I need to get/replace?
[10:18] <ulisse> grit_, did you restarted the X server?
[10:18] <grit_> yes
[10:18] <mirak> hi
[10:18] <grit_> 5 times
[10:18] <mirak> how do I enable the frame buffer ?
[10:18] <ztonzy> sjoerd, what to look for ?
[10:18] <titanium> i still am not having any luck getting ubuntu (warty) livecd to work. each time i try to boot from it, my computer restarts after the progress bar has filled on the loading screen
[10:18] <ulisse> grit_, after restart, you have to change the resolution by the settings panel
[10:18] <grit_> probably yes
[10:18] <gpled> titanium: does knoppex work?
[10:18] <grit_> but its hard if its not in there
[10:19] <sjoerd> ztonzy: your camera device and then in the advanced tab info.category
[10:19] <grit_> just the 3 default ones
[10:19] <ulisse> grit_, you mean that the resolution setting isn't in the menu?
[10:19] <grit_> indeed
[10:19] <titanium> i am downloading both knoppix and gnoppix right now to find out, gpled
[10:19] <ztonzy> sjoerd, under my camera in main tree it has two other "USB Interface"  looking in main or those two ?
[10:19] <titanium> i'm bored and hungover so i want to try playing around with these
[10:20] <ztonzy> sjoerd, meaning ...two undermenus
[10:20] <tsw> how can I disable sleep on lid close with apm
[10:20] <ztonzy> sjoerd, sorry...submenus
[10:20] <tsw> this thinkpad doesnt like it and wont come back up after sleep
[10:20] <sjoerd> ztonzy: in the main iirc, but also check the children
[10:20] <ulisse> grit_, I dunno... for me it worked.
[10:21] <grit_>         SubSection "Display"
[10:21] <grit_>                 Depth           24
[10:21] <grit_>                 Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[10:21] <grit_> this is how it looks
[10:21] <grit_> for every depth
[10:21] <ztonzy> sjoerd, main:   info.bus:  'usb_device'      info.category:   'multimedia'
[10:21] <gpled> titanium: it has been my experiance, that if a computer can run linux, knoppix will work.
[10:22] <ztonzy> sjoerd, in 'multimedia.device'   it shows:   /dev/video0
[10:22] <SilvereX> anyone experienced gnome cpufreq applet showing absolute nonsense every second?
[10:22] <grit_> mine says 6 ghz all the time
[10:23] <sjoerd> ztonzy: that's a webcam ?
[10:23] <titanium> amd xp 2200+, nforce2 motherboard, 512mb ram, if that means anything?
[10:23] <ian__> does apt-get keep a log?
[10:23] <ztonzy> sjoerd, well this can be used bothwaus
[10:23] <ztonzy> ways*
[10:23] <sjoerd> ztonzy: ah, interesting
[10:23] <SilvereX> grit_, mine also shows negative values etc. does this mean cpufreq isn't working?
[10:23] <mak> I'm very new to debian. what does one doe after a '.deb' file has been obtained?
[10:24] <ztonzy> sjoerd, yepp :D
[10:24] <sjoerd> ztonzy: at the same time too ?
[10:24] <ztonzy> sjoerd, one of the best webcams I have come across in imagequality, but crap using it as digicam
[10:24] <nictuku> mak, dpkg -i <file.deb>
[10:24] <sjoerd> haha
[10:24] <ztonzy> sjoerd, same time ?
[10:24] <mak> thanks nictuku
[10:25] <sjoerd> ztonzy: you can use it as a webcam and as a ptp camera at the same time ?
[10:25] <ztonzy> sjoerd, most ones who has used this as webcam or watching me...has always said I have great livevideo...but that is in windows :-\
[10:25] <ztonzy> sjoerd, now with new gphoto2 I can...in windows as way before
[10:25] <ztonzy> yepp
[10:26] <Hikaru79> x_x I still... can't... eject the CD-ROM. Does anyone have any ideas?
[10:26] <ztonzy> sjoerd, but I wouldnt recommend getting it...hard to get to work...in linux
[10:26] <ztonzy> sjoerd, and also...it is no longer selling I guess
[10:27] <ztonzy> sjoerd, cant I chown me as user to those usb-devices ?
[10:27] <ztonzy> in /proc/bus/usb  ?
[10:27] <paulproteus> Hikaru79: What is your CD's mountpoint?
[10:27] <sjoerd> you can, but that won't help you much
[10:27] <ztonzy> grrr
[10:28] <ztonzy> this shouldnt be
[10:28] <sjoerd> ztonzy: what are the values of usb_device.product_id and usb_device.vendor_id
[10:28] <Hikaru79> paulproteus, cdrom0
[10:28] <ferris> where can i go to learn how to install files from tarballs, and compiling?
[10:29] <crimsun> ferris: tldp.org
[10:29] <ferris> i do not know anything in linux
[10:29] <ferris> thank
[10:29] <ferris> you
[10:29] <ian__> anyone know what package the various icons on the Computer menu are in? (home/desktop/disks/etc.)
[10:29] <XhyldazhK> why indent thinks a carriage return is a tab?????????????????????
[10:29] <crimsun> ferris: you might also try #linpeople and #linuxhelp
[10:30] <ferris> thanks crimsun
[10:31] <ztonzy> sjoerd, usb_device.product_id:   int   768 (0x300)                       usb_device.vendor_id:   int   1034 (0x40a)
[10:33] <gpled> if i say no, to do i want to instal from the internet, do i still get an xwindow system?
[10:33] <paulproteus> gpled: Yes.
[10:33] <gpled> cool
[10:33] <gpled> hope this works
[10:33] <paulproteus> Slightly-stale versions of all the packages are on your CDs.
[10:33] <Simira> groar
[10:34] <paulproteus> All the packages necessary for a default install, anyway.
[10:34] <gpled> every time i say yes, i can not get x to work.
[10:34] <Simira> why does my x.org fail to start so often in hoary?
[10:34] <ian__> is there an Ubuntu Art package?
[10:34] <ztonzy> sjoerd, does it give you any clue ?
[10:34] <XhyldazhK> PLEASE, any of you have it's 'indent' program working correctly???
[10:35] <Simira> ian__: have a look on the wiki
[10:35] <daniels> XhyldazhK: it works for me
[10:35] <daniels> Simira: how does it fail?
[10:35] <sjoerd> ztonzy: try this: edit libgphoto2.usermap, copy the second line (one prefixed with libgphoto2), and replace the seconde number with that 0x40a and the fourth with 0x300
[10:35] <sjoerd> ztonzy: /etc/hotplug/usb/libgphoto2.usermap
[10:35] <XhyldazhK> daniels: sure? which version do you have?
[10:36] <ian__> Simira, ok.  I did an upgrade with a debian source and now the splashscreen says debian and some icons are broken! :)
[10:36] <paulproteus> man indent may be instructive, xhyldazhk.
[10:36] <XhyldazhK> paulproteus, is not that!
[10:36] <gsuveg> what the wifi applet name what in ubutu is ?
[10:36] <XhyldazhK> paulproteus, indent by default uss the -gnu preset
[10:36] <Simira> daniels: mostly the menus and icons on the taskbar doesn't show. Sometimes, the screen just goes empty(with the Ubuntu default login background) after I write my password.
[10:37] <XhyldazhK> but when i try on a C file, simply destroys all indentation
[10:37] <Simira> daniels: this happens when I log in on X
[10:37] <daniels> Simira: weird
[10:37] <XhyldazhK> can be that because my encoding is iso 8859 -1 instead of unciode?
[10:37] <daniels> Simira: that sounds kind of like a gdm/gnome bug
[10:37] <daniels> XhyldazhK: ii  indent                     2.2.9-5                    C language source code formatting program
[10:38] <daniels> XhyldazhK: i'm using en_AU.UTF-8
[10:38] <ztonzy> sjoerd, you mean where it says Kodak EZ200...cause the first lines are for Agfa's ;)
[10:38] <Simira> daniels: yes. I even got the same trying to login on failsafe or any other session type (choosing from the login screen)
[10:38] <XhyldazhK> daniels, is that your LANG variable?
[10:38] <daniels> Simira: weird
[10:38] <daniels> XhyldazhK: yes
[10:38] <ztonzy> XhyldazhK, hey...arent you a Blender user ;) ?
[10:38] <XhyldazhK> yes ztonzy
[10:38] <paulproteus> daniels: I had this problem with crazy GNOME-runs-screaming dotfiles in $HOME.
[10:38] <sjoerd> ztonzy: doesn't matter
[10:39] <ztonzy> XhyldazhK,  nice to see you here too
[10:39] <ztonzy> sjoerd, uh ?
[10:39] <Simira> daniels: I know. Do you have any constructive suggestions for it? ;)
[10:39] <daniels> paulproteus: weird
[10:39] <XhyldazhK> i was doing a GLUT example and I thought was a good idea indenting it in K&R style, but indent made it all unindented
[10:39] <daniels> Simira: not really, sorry
[10:39] <daniels> Simira: my brain is pretty fried at the moment anyway
[10:39] <paulproteus> GNOME is very bad at handling its own dot-files.
[10:39] <paulproteus> Simira: Is $HOME fresh?
[10:39] <daniels> Simira: so anything I say should be regarded
[10:39] <paulproteus> s/own dot/old dot/
[10:39] <Simira> daniels: ok. Is seb the right person to bug about it?
[10:39] <daniels> Simira: probably, yeah
[10:40] <Simira> paulproteus: what do you mean fresh? It shouldn't be any problems there, no
[10:40] <XhyldazhK> daniels, where do you set up the default encoding?
[10:40] <daniels> Simira: but AIUI most people are not going to be around at all this weekend, and are then taking 23rd->2nd (or 23rd->3rd) off
[10:40] <daniels> XhyldazhK: i can't remember; i set it in my slightly insane .zshrc
[10:40] <Simira> daniels: all weared out from Mataro, eh?
[10:40] <ztonzy> sjoerd, hmm,  my Kodak EZ200 isn't in that list
[10:41] <sjoerd> ztonzy: that's why you should try adding it ;)
[10:41] <sjoerd> ztonzy: and if that helps file a bug to have it added :)
[10:41] <daniels> Simira: yeah
[10:41] <ztonzy> sjoerd, hmm ...I dont know how to file and where that bug and if it is
[10:41] <Simira> daniels: well, guess I'll have to bug my personal support about it then ;p
[10:42] <daniels> Simira: good plan :)
[10:42] <sjoerd> ztonzy: in bugzilla against gphoto2 (or libgphoto2)
[10:43] <XhyldazhK> daniels, it can have to do with the fact that I've installed some hoary packages in my warty installation?
[10:43] <XhyldazhK> ztonzy, are you a ubuntu user?
[10:44] <Hikaru79> OK... this is starting to get REALLY worrying. Can *nobody* help me eject the stupid CD-ROM? X-x
[10:44] <gsuveg> Hikaru79: its mounted
[10:44] <gsuveg> umount it and eject
[10:45] <Hikaru79> It's not mounted.
[10:45] <Hikaru79> In fact, I can't mount it
[10:45] <gsuveg> mount ?
[10:45] <Hikaru79> I get the following error:
[10:45] <Hikaru79> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd,
[10:45] <Hikaru79>        missing codepage, or too many mounted file systems
[10:46] <ztonzy> XhyldazhK, yes I am ....Fedora--> debian--> ubuntu
[10:46] <ztonzy> sjoerd, ....I dont follow you about the numbers
[10:47] <ztonzy> sjoerd, possible to take this in PM ?
[10:47] <mroth> has anyone noticed the current repositories want to install python2.4, but ubuntu-desktop still has a dependency on <2.4 ?
[10:47] <ztonzy> sjoerd, maybe I can paste those lines there instead
[10:48] <gpled> ok, x faild to install.  anyone know that apt-get to get it working?
[10:48] <XhyldazhK> ztonzy, have you had any problems with Ubuntu?
[10:49] <sjoerd> ztonzy: those lines all have a lot of numbers on them.. Leave the first one in place (0x0003), replace the second one with 0x40a and the third one with 0x300
[10:49] <ztonzy> XhyldazhK, some...but that's not directly related to Ubuntu itself I thinl
[10:49] <ztonzy> think*
[10:50] <ztonzy> sjoerd,  0x300   and not 0x0300  ?
[10:50] <sjoerd> ztonzy: shouldn't matter
[10:51] <sjoerd> ztonzy: you can try 0x0300 just to be sure
[10:51] <ztonzy> sjoerd, looks like this now...a  new line for my cam:
[10:51] <ztonzy> # Kodak EZ200
[10:51] <ztonzy> libgphoto2           0x0003      0x040a   0x0300    0x0000       0x0000      0x00         0x00            0x00            0x00            0x00               0x00               0x00000000
[10:51] <sjoerd> replug you camera and hope :)
[10:51] <ztonzy> sjoerd, heh
[10:52] <ztonzy> sjoerd, wee
[10:52] <murf> hello, why default desktop manager is gentoo?
[10:52] <ztonzy> sjoerd, got a dialouge popup !
[10:52] <murf> gentoo -> gnome ;-)
[10:52] <Botox> hi, ubuntu is giving me a headache here :/ is there any way to force the installer to delete an existing linux installation and allow the user to partion the disk ? (info: i currently have fedora and xp installed and would like to replace fedora with ubuntu, xp should remain intact)
[10:52] <ztonzy> sjoerd, damn...still that red cross
[10:53] <paulproteus> Botox: Custom partitioning.
[10:53] <ztonzy> sjoerd, hmm...gtkam doesnt show thumbnail images ....just lines with names
[10:53] <paulproteus> Then you can delete the existing Linux setup.
[10:53] <mirak> how to enable the frame buffer ?
[10:54] <sjoerd> ztonzy: gotta go, please file a bug in the bugzilla (other people can probably help you with that)
[10:54] <jasund> Hello!  I can see and run xsane from sudo, but not from regular user.  Is there a symbolic link I need to employ?
[10:54] <ztonzy> sjoerd, hmmm  dont know how...but will think of it
[10:55] <ztonzy> sjoerd, but now I didnt get any error messege
[10:55] <ztonzy> :)
[10:55] <sjoerd> ztonzy: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ :)
[10:55] <XhyldazhK> ztonzy, does your indent work?
[10:55] <ztonzy> indent ?
[10:55] <ztonzy> sjoerd, :)
[10:56] <XhyldazhK> indent, the program that autoindents C/C++ code
[10:56] <devil> x
[10:57] <ztonzy> XhyldazhK, sorry I dont know much about that
[10:57] <XhyldazhK> :(
[10:59] <Botox> paulproteus: i alreaday did that, it simply does not work, the installer also says that it will not allow you to install ubuntu over an existing linux installation i had the same problem with debian sarge :(
[10:59] <XhyldazhK> my 'indent' inserts lots of useless 0x20 characters on my source files!
[11:00] <XhyldazhK> I'm not a newbie, I've used Linux since redhat 5.2, and i have no idea of what's happening, ANd yes, I've read all man page
[11:00] <paulproteus> Botox: If you delete the partition first, you'll be fine.
[11:00] <paulproteus> But you must delete the partition, and then recreate it.
[11:01] <paulproteus> Then it'll allow you to blank it.
[11:01] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[11:02] <FX|Laptop> I have a question. Got an older dell laptop. The install gets past "scanning cdrom" but after that its justs a blue screen. any ideas?
[11:04] <Simira> daniels: here we go again. "Gnome-panel quits unexpectedly"
[11:05] <DigiKill> weeeeeeeeeeee
[11:05] <DigiKill> Ubuntu on Dual 533 PPC's....
[11:05] <DigiKill> pretty snappy overall
[11:06] <FX|Laptop> anyone have an answer?
[11:06] <DigiKill> FX|Laptop: i didnt see the question
[11:06] <crimsun> I have an answer, but it might not be to your question.
[11:06] <xevil> FX|Laptop: you may try disabling acpi
[11:07] <FX|Laptop> go to exper mode on boot?
[11:07] <freedomla> hi can somebody help me with installing linux?
[11:07] <xevil> yeah
[11:07] <FX|Laptop> or what would be the correct command?
[11:07] <freedomla> i have this old mac os system, and i'm trying to get it to boot from the cd
[11:08] <xevil> FX|Laptop: check this page... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops/view?searchterm=dell%20notebook%20install
[11:08] <DigiKill> freedomla: ....old beige system?
[11:08] <Dekkard> but i could be wrong
[11:08] <freedomla> i tried that but it didn't work
[11:08] <nootrope> ubuntu runs on motorola cpus?
[11:08] <FX|Laptop> ty xevil checking it out now
[11:09] <DigiKill> freedomla: Hold Down C  to boot from CD
[11:09] <DigiKill> at startup...immediately after turnin off system
[11:09] <freedomla> it didn't work
[11:09] <freedomla> i don't know why
[11:09] <DigiKill> yep nootrope
[11:09] <nootrope> kool
[11:09] <DigiKill> im on dual PPCs right now...
[11:09] <nootrope> kool++
[11:09] <DigiKill> tho process manager isnt seein 2nd cpu on graph :S
[11:09] <DigiKill> freedomla: you have to hold it down till it kicks up your monitor....
[11:10] <DigiKill> i had to hold mine down for like 2 minutes or so...just to be SURE it would boot
[11:10] <nootrope> my question is, how to setup PPPoE in ubuntu
[11:10] <DigiKill> PPPoE in ubuntu?  not sure ...i dont use pppoe
[11:10] <DigiKill> and i just got installed myself ;)
[11:11] <nootrope> thanks, DigiKill.  Anyone else know?
[11:12] <Dekkard> first check to see if rppppoe is installed
[11:12] <nootrope> i'm trying to test itfrom the live cd, first.  :/
[11:12] <freedomla> well i held down c b4 i shut down, then shut down, then reboot, and kept holding it until it booted to the user-mode screen
[11:12] <nootrope> ok. i'll check on rp-pppoe
[11:12] <freedomla> and it still didn't work
[11:13] <DigiKill> freedomla: what model Mac?
[11:13] <freedomla> really old
[11:13] <freedomla> how do i check?
[11:13] <DigiKill> is it an 8600 or something>?
[11:13] <gpled> i have x installed, but cant get gnome up. what apt-get install do i need?
[11:13] <DigiKill> does it still have OS8 or whatever installed?
[11:14] <freedomla> it's mac os
[11:14] <freedomla> that's it
[11:14] <freedomla> no number after it
[11:14] <DigiKill> cuz "about this mac" would tell you off the Apple icon...pretty sure..
[11:15] <Dekkard> bbiaf
[11:15] <freedomla> it said J1-8.1
[11:15] <DigiKill> i just need to figure out how to mount hfs+ drives now...
[11:17] <DigiKill> freedomla: that means youre running OS 8.1....try the "more info" button.
[11:17] <DigiKill> Japanese 0S8.1 at that...
[11:17] <freedomla> ok
[11:18] <freedomla> so does that mean anything to u?
[11:18] <DigiKill> that just means the OS its runnin....
[11:18] <DigiKill> isnt there a MORE INFO button in that area?
[11:19] <freedomla> not really
[11:19] <freedomla> i just see 13mb and a bar next to ti
[11:19] <wildrex> im a newbie at linux if my wirless ethernet card is shown as eth0 an realtek 8180 but none of the lights are on
[11:20] <gpled> has anyone seen any docs about what to do, when x fails to install?  how to fix it up with apt-get?
[11:21] <magnon> gpled: you're not providing any information on why it fails
[11:21] <paulproteus> wildrex: Then it means you probably not connected to any network.
[11:22] <FX|Laptop> I don't think Ubuntu wants to play nice with my cdrom. :(
[11:22] <f-> is Ubuntu a version of debian?
[11:23] <DigiKill> yes F-
[11:23] <wildrex> an wlan is grayed out?
[11:23] <FX|Laptop> fails at "detect and mount cd-rom. :(
[11:23] <wildrex> do i have to install ndiwrapper compile wlan driver
[11:24] <gpled> magnon: says some packages failed to install.  manualy add them. does not tell which ones.
[11:24] <D0wnXcaST> Anyone can tell me how i can create a DOS Boot disk in linux?
[11:25] <gpled> FX|Laptop: what kind of cdrom drive you have?
[11:25] <freedomla> DigiKill, i know that Mac can read the linux cd when it's booted into regular mode, but is it a compatibility problem? or is linux cross-platform like java?
[11:25] <gpled> D0wnXcaST: find a dos image, and dd it to /dev/fd0
[11:25] <DigiKill> freedomla: is this a TOWER or a desktop <flat>
[11:25] <D0wnXcaST> what do you mean by dd ?
[11:25] <freedomla> tower
[11:26] <FX|Laptop> gpled not really sure. Its a removable one that came with the latitude c600 laptop I have
[11:26] <gpled> D0wnXcaST: dd if=/dosdisk.img of=/dev/fd0
[11:27] <gpled> FX|Laptop: sometime they are usb
[11:27] <D0wnXcaST> ok, but what's the meaning of dd
[11:27] <DigiKill> freedomla: is it Blue and White?  or beige/white colored : the tower
[11:27] <gpled> D0wnXcaST: man dd
[11:27] <D0wnXcaST> sorry, i'm newbi
[11:27] <FX|Laptop> Nah mine slides in and out. The floppy drive is the same.
[11:27] <freedomla> it's white
[11:27] <magnon> gpled: try apt-get install --fix-missing
[11:27] <gpled> D0wnXcaST: hope i dont sound mean. not trying to.
[11:27] <DigiKill> freedomla: the Model# should be printed on the front of the tower... Powermac xxxx
[11:27] <D0wnXcaST> no
[11:28] <DigiKill> from what ive been told
[11:28] <FX|Laptop> If I need floppy I just pull out the cdrom and same if I need the cdrom, slide out the floppy
[11:28] <gpled> magnon: is that a real command?  that would be cool
[11:28] <magnon> it is
[11:28] <D0wnXcaST> anyway, i'll try this, but i would like to know what the command dd does exactly, seem to extract the image to the floppy
[11:28] <magnon> I believe it works that way
[11:29] <FX|Laptop> Works up until it tries to install the packages off the cdrom. :(
[11:29] <gpled> magnon: thanks, will try that.  have to run.
[11:29] <freedomla> it says power macintosh 6500/275
[11:29] <DigiKill> freedomla: one thing ive been told...it may be a SCSI HDD, and ubuntu didnt like my SCSI at all....
[11:30] <freedomla> everything is so sealed up inside, so it's kind of hard for me to do anything with the parts, even checking them haha
[11:31] <freedomla> i thought scsi drives work fine w/ linux
[11:31] <freedomla> that's what they use for servers right?
[11:31] <DigiKill> Ubuntu didnt like my Adaptec SCSI card at all on install tho
[11:31] <DigiKill> i had to pull it to install Ubuntu
[11:32] <freedomla> but i can't even boot from the cd
[11:32] <freedomla> i see a hd-like icon before i see the mac smiley face, but that's only for less than a second
[11:32] <freedomla> when i press c
[11:32] <freedomla> when i don't press c it doesn't appear
[11:33] <DigiKill> freedomla: from what ive been told by the #macosx room <where i am in another window> it could be a bad ribbon or lazer...
[11:33] <DigiKill> perhaps that room may be able to help you more than I can....
[11:33] <DigiKill> very knowledgable mac heads in #macosx
[11:33] <freedomla> ok
[11:34] <DigiKill> and thats where im pullin my info from ;)
[11:34] <freedomla> alright i'll try
[11:36] <D0wnXcaST> anyone has a good list of all commands i can use in the terminal ?
[11:36] <crimsun> um...
[11:36] <crimsun> there's no such thing.
[11:37] <paulproteus> D0wnXcaST: http://www.physics.ubc.ca/mbelab/computer/linux-intro/html/
[11:38] <xevil> D0wnXcaST: check this page: http://www.computerhope.com/unix.htm
[11:39] <D0wnXcaST> great, thanks to both of you
[11:40] <paulproteus> D0wnXcaST: Here's a hint: I googled for introduction+command+line+linux :)
[11:40] <Qerub> Hello. I'm having some problems with getting fglrx working in Ubuntu (Warty). Everything is installed fine, but the computer locks up when running 3D intensive stuff like Tux Racer. (glxgears works.) Any ideas?
[11:40] <D0wnXcaST> :)
[11:41] <goonie> I'm having problems with downloading from Ubuntu repositories.. I get the following error: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-386_2.6.8.1-16.3_i386.deb
[11:41] <goonie>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[11:41] <mAIJK> tux racer ;))
[11:42] <goonie> does anyone else have these problems?
[11:42] <paulproteus> goonie: You may want to do apt-get update , or click "Refresh" in Synaptic.
[11:46] <goonie> paulproteus: thx... I feel kinda stupid now :$
[11:46] <DigiKill> anyone know where the HFS+ mounting "helper" is in ubuntu?
[11:49] <titanium> when i made my warty livecd, should i have not finalized it? i still can't get it to boot properly from the cd so i'm thinking i must've screwed it up
[11:51] <fridge> is there a guide to the python integration efforts in ubuntu?
[11:52] <D0wnXcaST> anyone could tell me, when i boot with a DOS Boot disk, can i have access to my hd partition?
[11:53] <paulproteus> goonie: One lesson learned.
[11:53] <paulproteus> D0wnXcaST: No.
[11:53] <D0wnXcaST> ohhh, is there a way that i can access my hd partition in dos
[11:53] <thenuke> D0wnXcaST: you can access dos-compatible partitions :)
[11:53] <D0wnXcaST> da....
[11:54] <D0wnXcaST> my winxp partition is NTFS
[11:54] <D0wnXcaST> so i cant copy any file?
[11:54] <scizzo> D0wnXcaST: accessing the files...sure....writting to a NTFS disk...risky
[11:54] <thenuke> well, if you have bootdisk which is made in XP+
[11:55] <thenuke> scizzo: he is talking about dos-boot disk
[11:55] <thenuke> scizzo: not about linux and ntfs-support :)
[11:55] <D0wnXcaST> look, my problem is on my Win XP pc, i got the lsass.exe problem, so i want to boot in dos to copy the new lsass.exe
[11:55] <scizzo> ok
[11:55] <thenuke> try and boot, I do not know what kind of bootdisk you have :)
[11:55] <D0wnXcaST> thenuke: can i find an image of a boot disk made in winxp?
[11:56] <D0wnXcaST> i took a DOS 6.22 boot disk
[11:56] <thenuke> D0wnXcaST: I think you could go for www.bootdisk.com
[11:56] <D0wnXcaST> the latest dos , but maybe i would need a winxp boot disk like you said
[11:57] <D0wnXcaST> i'll try the: XP Quick Boot Diskette
[11:58] <D0wnXcaST> oh, it wont work
[11:59] <D0wnXcaST> this is only a disk to boot with when you got some booting file damaged