/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2004/12/30/#ubuntu-devel.txt

=== ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== Fwiffo [~user@jep.dhcp.kampsax.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== sivang [~sivang@80.179.66.193.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== doko [doko@dsl-084-057-098-121.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== mdke [~Matt|@81-178-85-6.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== robtaylor [~robtaylor@217.204.121.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== joshua__ [~joshua@24.48.147.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== elmo [~james@83.216.141.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== robtaylor [~robtaylor@217.204.121.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== srbaker [~srbaker@blk-224-161-8.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== shaya [~spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== bitserf [~ljb@222-152-17-146.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-87-140.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel
Mitariohi guys03:32
=== erich [user@erich.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel
erichWhy is libgtk2.0-dev in ubuntu that big (installed size 25 MB bigger than in debian) - does it include libgtk2.0-doc?03:39
=== srbaker [~srbaker@blk-224-161-8.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-5-238.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-5-238.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== erich [user@erich.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel
erichArgh... I just installed xserver-xorg from ubuntu - and hit a broken package.04:32
erichall the modules are .a files instead of .so files.04:32
=== plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== erich [user@erich.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel
bitserferich: i'm not sure, isn't .a what its supposed to be? istr murmurings about modules with non-stable ABI being .a, and stable being .so04:39
=== robtaylor [~robtaylor@217.204.121.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel
erichbitserf: yes. and according to a strace Xorg searches for .so files in its modules directorys, but there are only .a files. a downgrade of the xserver-xorg package helped.04:44
erichtry upgrading to latest hoary and then try to start a new x server04:44
erichbut DRI just locked up my machine. i'll retest that.04:45
bitserferich: i think the problem is with the 028_loader_speed_hack patch...trying to rebuild myself without it atm04:52
=== erich [user@erich.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel
bitserferich: i think the problem is with the 028_loader_speed_hack patch...trying to rebuild myself without it atm...i'm not sure what the correct fix would be as i've no clue of the intention daniels/fabbione have for it :)04:54
erichmaybe its just incomplete.04:54
bitserfi lost my previous xorg package due to overzealously running apt-get clean 04:55
erichyou can get the previous from archive.ubuntulinux.org04:55
bitserfexcellent, i was wondering if such a resource existed, thanks04:55
erichapparently they modified Xorg so it searches for .so files, but they still build .a and .o modules.04:56
erichit's not a special resource, just the normal package pool.04:56
bitserfyou'll have to excuse me, i'm not a devel proper, just a lurking user04:57
bitserfand you may need to restart gnome too05:51
bitserfwoops, sorry05:51
bluefoxicyhmm05:54
bluefoxicyanyone active here on the security team?05:54
bluefoxicyI need some guidance on the best way to categorize security notices05:55
=== srbaker [~srbaker@blk-224-161-8.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== jdodson [~jdodson@63-230-173-38.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== jdodson [~jdodson@63-230-173-38.ptld.qwest.net] has left #ubuntu-devel []
=== johanbr [~j@d207-81-98-60.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== bitserf [~ljb@222-152-17-146.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== infinity [adconrad@S010600e029962405.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== johanbr [~j@d207-81-98-60.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-devel []
=== enrico_ [~enrico@140.109.17.68] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== enrico_ is now known as enrico
=== tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== pasc [pasc@gandalf.redellipse.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== ogra_ [~ogra@pD95F8916.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
Kamionhm, the ubuntu-meta update script seems to have an amusing bug11:32
=== Kamion tries to track it down
Treenakswhat kind of bug?11:32
Kamionmisses the last package output by debootstrap due to not stripping newlines11:35
Kamionit didn't matter for most architectures because the last package was libreadline4, which isn't in the seed; but for powerpc it was powerpc-utils11:37
=== seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-8-68.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-3-112.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-3-112.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== doko [doko@dsl-082-082-067-198.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== AndyFit1 [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== AndyFit1 [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel []
=== x4m [~max@179.150-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== AndyFit1 [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== ruben [~ruben@83-134-126-160.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== erich [user@erich.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel
erichdaniels: latest xserver-xorg package appears to be broken. It searches for .so modules only, but the modules are .a and .o format02:02
truluxhey doko02:02
rubenerich: bug 479702:02
erichAh, #479702:02
Kamionerich: daniels is working on it02:03
erichyesterday i didn't find it. apparently doesn't contain the term "xserver-xorg"02:03
Kamionoh, the bug says that02:03
=== lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
lupus_still no python-gnome2 package for python 2.4?02:04
lupus_in hoary02:04
rubenlupus_: it's there02:05
danielsdoes anyone here run amd64 or powerpc and hoary?02:06
danielsneed to test new xorg before upload02:06
lupus_python-gnome2 is already the newest version.02:09
lupus_  File "/usr/local/share/gnome-schedule/mainWindow.py", line 26, in ?02:10
lupus_    import gnome02:10
lupus_ImportError: No module named gnome02:10
rubenah, right, the python2.4-gnome2 ain't there yet02:11
lupus_uhu :)02:12
lupus_:(02:12
=== erich [user@erich.developer.debian] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Client]
truluxdoko, there?02:16
lupus_seb128, anyidea when python2.4-gnome2 will be available? I can't code on my project till it is fixed (and no I'm not complaining it is my choice of using hoary) but I just wonder02:19
dokodaniels: yes, amd6402:20
dokotrulux: pong02:20
truluxdoko, i've uploaded hoary hardened-gcc packages02:20
truluxeverything done02:21
truluxdoko, can you upload them?02:21
dokoI'll have a look at the packages. I think you discussed the issue with pitti?02:22
danielsdoko: could you please test xserver-xorg from concordia:~daniels/xorg?02:22
dokodaniels: just this one package, or all the binary packages?02:23
seb128lupus_: what's the problem ?02:25
seb128lupus_: general rule: if the maintainer is not aware of a problem the problem is never fixed02:26
danielsdoko: all binary packages would be nice, but mainly just xserver-xorg02:26
truluxdoko, yes02:27
lupus_k I'll fill in a bug report02:27
truluxdoko, the pkgs info is on the bug report02:27
lupus_but I thought asking here was a better idea02:27
seb128lupus_: you don't want to say what's wrong here ?02:27
seb128lupus_: I still don't know what you are talking about02:28
lupus_<lupus_> still no python-gnome2 package for python 2.4?02:28
lupus_<lupus_> in hoary02:28
lupus_<ruben> lupus_: it's there02:28
lupus_<lupus_> python-gnome2 is already the newest version.02:29
lupus_<lupus_>   File "/usr/local/share/gnome-schedule/mainWindow.py", line 26, in ?02:29
lupus_<lupus_>     import gnome02:29
lupus_<lupus_> ImportError: No module named gnome02:29
lupus_<ruben> ah, right, the python2.4-gnome2 ain't there yet02:29
seb128lupus_: stop flooding02:30
seb128grrrr02:30
lupus_sorry but I don't understand what is not clear about that02:30
seb128lupus_: what's wrong with the python2.3 version ?02:31
seb128BTW I'll update to 2.4 soon02:31
=== erich [user@erich.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel
lupus_because the project is compiled with python 2.402:31
Mithrandirseb128: I guess you didn't mind that I snatched the pyorbit bug from you.02:31
lupus_and will look in python 2.4 site map02:31
seb128Mithrandir: no problem, thanks02:32
erichdaniels: btw, DRI on my radeon card with xserver-xorg locks up the screen. :-( kernel 2.6.10rc302:32
lupus_but gnome module is only available for python 2.3 at the moment02:32
seb128lupus_: yeah, have you an idea on how many python modules need to be updated ?02:32
seb128lupus_: that's not a 1 min job02:33
seb128just wait a bit02:33
danielserich: hmm, not had any other reports about that.  if you could file a bug with /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf, that'd be good, thanks02:33
danielserich: i'll be able to test it when I get back home02:33
lupus_yes I know I'm an impatient person :)02:33
seb128lupus_: yeah, that's not good02:34
erichdaniels: well, i'm running debian unstable + xserver-xorg from ubuntu and a heavily modified kernel. So i don't really know what is causing the troubles. :-(02:34
Mithrandirdo we have anything resembling "NOTHOARY" in bugzilla?02:35
erichbut maybe you know about it. like "i have a radeon patch pending" ;-)02:35
seb128Mithrandir: no, use NOTWARTY, that's NOTUBUNTU in fact02:35
Mithrandirseb128: okie, thx.02:35
dokoseb128: fixed gnome-python, uploading it soon.02:36
seb128np02:36
danielserich: er, you do know you'll need xlibmesa-dri and probably xlibmesa-gl too, right?02:37
danielserich: mixing and matching components is a good way to kill your system quickly02:37
=== AndyFit1 [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel []
seb128doko: thanks02:39
erichdaniels: yes, i know... but after someone said that his gnome-terminal runs a lot faster with xorg i couldn't resist. ;-)02:39
danielserich: you should either backport the entirety of xorg or none at all, really02:40
erichi upgraded all of xorg. searched by version 6.8.1-1ubuntu02:40
erich+ dependencies of course.02:40
erichbut the only package i downgraded to -6 is xserver-xorg02:41
erichshould i downgrade all others, too?02:41
=== lexhider_ [~lexhider@dip-220-235-84-8.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel
dokodaniels: xserver on amd64 starts, anything else to check?03:18
=== srbaker [~srbaker@blk-224-161-8.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== lexhider_ [~lexhider@dip-220-235-84-8.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel
lexhider_I created AudioCDCreation page on wiki and somehow it's under FrontPage >> Rosetta >> .. more stuff ..03:36
lexhider_can I change this to something more appropriate03:36
danielsdoko: nope, that's it, thanks03:42
seb128anybody known why multisync is not tried by the buildds ?03:46
truluxpitti, hey03:50
truluxpitti, howya?03:51
seb128not sure that's he's here today03:51
=== womp [~ruben@83-134-126-160.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== usual [~colin@alb-69-202-40-142.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== koke [~koke@fanelli.sindominio.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel
truluxelmo, ping04:20
=== bob2 [rob@bob2.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-3-112.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== [Clint] [~c123p456@user-12hdtek.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== shaya [~spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel
shayadaniels: where's this upload you said you did05:00
danielsi admit, i lied05:00
=== ferryfp [~ferry@gn-lwb-27f2f.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel
daniels(what sort of a question is that?)05:00
danielshttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2004-December/001116.html05:00
shayaI would have figured it hit archiev already05:09
danielsshaya: it's a source-only upload05:11
shayaoh05:12
shayaso has to be built05:12
shayaI see05:12
danielsshaya: so in the time since I've uploaded it, it would have had to have been put in the internal archive, noticed by the buildds, built, uploaded, accepted, and mirrored to the external archive05:12
shayayes, didnt know it worked that way05:12
shayaused to old debian way of uploading binaries with the source05:13
danielsall our uploads are source-only05:14
shayayes, put 2 and 2  together05:14
=== koke [~koke@fanelli.sindominio.net] has left #ubuntu-devel []
=== hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== moyogo [~moyogo@Toronto-HSE-ppp3718050.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel
Keybukblegh06:07
Treenaks?06:08
KeybukTotal AU$  460.00 ... proof that I'm a sucker for an offer of free food :p06:09
Keybukeven when the free food costs lots of money, in reality06:09
Treenaksugh06:09
Keybuk(lca registations)06:10
Treenakshow many?06:10
Mithrandirwhen's LCA again?06:10
Keybukjust the one06:10
Treenakshm.. lca.org.au is NOT what I expected06:11
Mithrandirit's linux.conf.au. :P06:11
Treenaksyeah I googled :)06:11
=== _rene_ [~rene@dsl-082-083-171-197.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
TreenaksI think I'll stick to FOSDEM though :(06:12
KeybukI figured I should probably register as "Professional" rather than be cheap :p06:12
Keybuk(the fact it included a "dionner" is iirrelevant :p)06:12
=== womp [~ruben@83-134-126-160.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel
Treenakshey rubenv06:12
Keybukmith: april 2005, week before ubuntu conf06:12
RubenVTreenaks: 'morning06:13
=== maswan [maswan@kennedy.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel
Treenakshm.. Mako an I wondered why there was an entire stall of "mooning" characters on the market behind the cathedral in Barcelona06:15
Treenakshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caganer06:16
Treenaksbut it's traditional06:16
sivangTreenaks, heheh06:17
sjoerdhaha06:18
sivangKeybuk, what is lca?06:18
Treenaksit's true06:18
Treenaksthere was an entire stall full of those06:18
Keybuksivang: linux.conf.au -- big, well regardedLinux developer conference06:19
=== `anthony [~anthony@29.red-62-57-43.user.auna.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== fabbione waves
fabbioneit's nice to be back home06:50
fabbioneexcept for the little detail of a few hours delay06:50
Mithrandirhi fabio06:50
Treenakswb fabio :)06:50
fabbionehey06:51
fabbionenow... let's lart somebody for fun..06:51
fabbioneDANIELS! 06:51
sjoerdhaha06:51
fabbione2 uploads on X in the same day06:51
Mithrandirfabbione: what has he broken today?06:51
Treenaksfabbione: you leave him alone for one day... :)06:51
sjoerdseems like everyone who flew back yesterday/today has a delay somewhere06:51
=== fabbione points the sodomotron towards daniles' airplane
fabbionesjoerd: not an excuse to fuck up X06:52
=== fabbione grrrrs
fabbionePreparing to replace libc6 2.3.2.ds1-19 (using .../libc6_2.3.2.ds1-19ubuntu2_sparc.deb) ...06:52
fabbioneops06:52
fabbioneand my mirror as a consequence06:52
=== cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== gsuveg [~gsuveg@hosting.suveg.hu] has left #ubuntu-devel []
=== TD [~mike@foghorn.codeweavers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel
TDdoes michael voigt ever hang out here?08:04
sjoerdTD: mvo, currently not here08:05
TDthanks08:05
=== hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"]
=== ferryfp [~ferry@gn-lwb-27f2f.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== herzi [~herzi@c182041.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel
truluxHardened Debian talk at the Umeet #linux on irc.uninet.edu09:15
truluxfeel free to join09:15
trulux;)09:15
=== AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel
wasabi_I am looking for the build process that creates the Ubuntu ISOs. Is that public anywhere?09:45
danielswasabi_: it's just created with debian-cd09:45
wasabi_What about the d-i modifications?09:45
wasabi_I'm trying to create a preseed for it, for network installs at my office.09:45
wasabi_Is that all just built off of the repository?09:46
wasabi_Not totallly educated on the d-i yet... but im guessing ubuntu has a lot of udebs which do the X configuration and stuff?09:47
=== x4m [~max@179.150-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel
danielswasabi_: apt-get install debian-installer09:54
danielsx configuration is done entirely within the xserver-xorg package09:55
wasabi_hmm, nifty.09:55
wasabi_At first boot or something? Or after base-config?09:55
wasabi_I don' thave debian-installer. Is it in warty?09:56
wasabi_Not in hoary either.09:57
danielswhen xserver-xorg first gets configured, it does all its probing and magic10:02
danielsapt-get source debian-installer IIRC10:02
danielsand a whole host of udebs10:02
wasabi_I'm excited about this. ;)10:08
wasabi_Going to give FAI the boot.10:08
=== jon1012 [~jon@AMontsouris-151-1-48-183.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel
jon1012hi :)10:08
=== Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== Simira [~rpGirl@ti511220a080-0667.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel
wasabi_Interesting. It created a pxeboot.tar.gz thing in it's build directory.10:17
wasabi_But didn't actually package any of it.10:17
=== usual [~colin@alb-69-202-40-142.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel
wasabi_Woh.10:25
wasabi_This is super easy10:25
=== wasabi_ just build a mini.iso
wasabi_All I really have to do now is make a preseed file.10:25
=== sgarrity [~steven@142.176.234.122] has joined #ubuntu-devel
wasabi_uh oh. Doesn't look like ubuntu has preseed support?10:30
danielsi'm not sure, sorry10:31
Mithrandirwasabi_: warty doesn't, hoary does.10:31
wasabi_Hmm.10:31
sgarrityHas there been any discussion of having Home-as-Desktop set as a default in Ubuntu?10:31
wasabi_Suppose it's possible to grab d-i from hoary.10:31
wasabi_(I need this. =/)10:32
Mithrandirwasabi_: might work, yes.10:32
wasabi_I guess fixing this up shold be as easy as changing one line from hoary to warty for the release file to grab.10:34
wasabi_Mithrandir, know anything about the d-i setup? I dont' even know what im looking for. =/10:35
Mithrandirwasabi_: you probably want to talk to Kamion, not me.10:36
wasabi_k.10:36
=== mdke [~Matt|@81-178-85-6.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== martink [~martin@pD9EB2919.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== srbaker [~srbaker@blk-224-161-8.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== bluefoxicy [~bluefox@pcp485126pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== Nigelenki [~bluefox@pcp485126pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== ajmitch_ [~ajmitch@c211-28-221-125.chirn1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel
wasabi_Cool. THink I got my d-i building11:26
wasabi_with a combination of warty/hoary udebs11:26
wasabi_So... I think the best thing for Hoary... to make this d-i unattended installation stuff easy for Real Users... is to have debian-installer generate a ubuntu-images or something package... which contains the netboot image and pxe info.11:27
wasabi_So to set up a network server, You'd just install ubuntu-image, and all the dhcp/dns stuff.11:27
wasabi_heh. no keyboard.11:39
=== sgarrity [~steven@142.176.234.122] has left #ubuntu-devel []
=== jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel
=== wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel
bluefoxicyis ubuntulinux.org down/slow?11:56

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!