[03:32] <Mitario> hi guys
[03:39] <erich> Why is libgtk2.0-dev in ubuntu that big (installed size 25 MB bigger than in debian) - does it include libgtk2.0-doc?
[04:32] <erich> Argh... I just installed xserver-xorg from ubuntu - and hit a broken package.
[04:32] <erich> all the modules are .a files instead of .so files.
[04:39] <bitserf> erich: i'm not sure, isn't .a what its supposed to be? istr murmurings about modules with non-stable ABI being .a, and stable being .so
[04:44] <erich> bitserf: yes. and according to a strace Xorg searches for .so files in its modules directorys, but there are only .a files. a downgrade of the xserver-xorg package helped.
[04:44] <erich> try upgrading to latest hoary and then try to start a new x server
[04:45] <erich> but DRI just locked up my machine. i'll retest that.
[04:52] <bitserf> erich: i think the problem is with the 028_loader_speed_hack patch...trying to rebuild myself without it atm
[04:54] <bitserf> erich: i think the problem is with the 028_loader_speed_hack patch...trying to rebuild myself without it atm...i'm not sure what the correct fix would be as i've no clue of the intention daniels/fabbione have for it :)
[04:54] <erich> maybe its just incomplete.
[04:55] <bitserf> i lost my previous xorg package due to overzealously running apt-get clean 
[04:55] <erich> you can get the previous from archive.ubuntulinux.org
[04:55] <bitserf> excellent, i was wondering if such a resource existed, thanks
[04:56] <erich> apparently they modified Xorg so it searches for .so files, but they still build .a and .o modules.
[04:56] <erich> it's not a special resource, just the normal package pool.
[04:57] <bitserf> you'll have to excuse me, i'm not a devel proper, just a lurking user
[05:51] <bitserf> and you may need to restart gnome too
[05:51] <bitserf> woops, sorry
[05:54] <bluefoxicy> hmm
[05:54] <bluefoxicy> anyone active here on the security team?
[05:55] <bluefoxicy> I need some guidance on the best way to categorize security notices
[11:32] <Kamion> hm, the ubuntu-meta update script seems to have an amusing bug
[11:32] <Treenaks> what kind of bug?
[11:35] <Kamion> misses the last package output by debootstrap due to not stripping newlines
[11:37] <Kamion> it didn't matter for most architectures because the last package was libreadline4, which isn't in the seed; but for powerpc it was powerpc-utils
[02:02] <erich> daniels: latest xserver-xorg package appears to be broken. It searches for .so modules only, but the modules are .a and .o format
[02:02] <trulux> hey doko
[02:02] <ruben> erich: bug 4797
[02:02] <erich> Ah, #4797
[02:03] <Kamion> erich: daniels is working on it
[02:03] <erich> yesterday i didn't find it. apparently doesn't contain the term "xserver-xorg"
[02:03] <Kamion> oh, the bug says that
[02:04] <lupus_> still no python-gnome2 package for python 2.4?
[02:04] <lupus_> in hoary
[02:05] <ruben> lupus_: it's there
[02:06] <daniels> does anyone here run amd64 or powerpc and hoary?
[02:06] <daniels> need to test new xorg before upload
[02:09] <lupus_> python-gnome2 is already the newest version.
[02:10] <lupus_>   File "/usr/local/share/gnome-schedule/mainWindow.py", line 26, in ?
[02:10] <lupus_>     import gnome
[02:10] <lupus_> ImportError: No module named gnome
[02:11] <ruben> ah, right, the python2.4-gnome2 ain't there yet
[02:12] <lupus_> uhu :)
[02:12] <lupus_> :(
[02:16] <trulux> doko, there?
[02:19] <lupus_> seb128, anyidea when python2.4-gnome2 will be available? I can't code on my project till it is fixed (and no I'm not complaining it is my choice of using hoary) but I just wonder
[02:20] <doko> daniels: yes, amd64
[02:20] <doko> trulux: pong
[02:20] <trulux> doko, i've uploaded hoary hardened-gcc packages
[02:21] <trulux> everything done
[02:21] <trulux> doko, can you upload them?
[02:22] <doko> I'll have a look at the packages. I think you discussed the issue with pitti?
[02:22] <daniels> doko: could you please test xserver-xorg from concordia:~daniels/xorg?
[02:23] <doko> daniels: just this one package, or all the binary packages?
[02:25] <seb128> lupus_: what's the problem ?
[02:26] <seb128> lupus_: general rule: if the maintainer is not aware of a problem the problem is never fixed
[02:26] <daniels> doko: all binary packages would be nice, but mainly just xserver-xorg
[02:27] <trulux> doko, yes
[02:27] <lupus_> k I'll fill in a bug report
[02:27] <trulux> doko, the pkgs info is on the bug report
[02:27] <lupus_> but I thought asking here was a better idea
[02:27] <seb128> lupus_: you don't want to say what's wrong here ?
[02:28] <seb128> lupus_: I still don't know what you are talking about
 still no python-gnome2 package for python 2.4?
 in hoary
 lupus_: it's there
 python-gnome2 is already the newest version.
   File "/usr/local/share/gnome-schedule/mainWindow.py", line 26, in ?
     import gnome
 ImportError: No module named gnome
 ah, right, the python2.4-gnome2 ain't there yet
[02:30] <seb128> lupus_: stop flooding
[02:30] <seb128> grrrr
[02:30] <lupus_> sorry but I don't understand what is not clear about that
[02:31] <seb128> lupus_: what's wrong with the python2.3 version ?
[02:31] <seb128> BTW I'll update to 2.4 soon
[02:31] <lupus_> because the project is compiled with python 2.4
[02:31] <Mithrandir> seb128: I guess you didn't mind that I snatched the pyorbit bug from you.
[02:31] <lupus_> and will look in python 2.4 site map
[02:32] <seb128> Mithrandir: no problem, thanks
[02:32] <erich> daniels: btw, DRI on my radeon card with xserver-xorg locks up the screen. :-( kernel 2.6.10rc3
[02:32] <lupus_> but gnome module is only available for python 2.3 at the moment
[02:32] <seb128> lupus_: yeah, have you an idea on how many python modules need to be updated ?
[02:33] <seb128> lupus_: that's not a 1 min job
[02:33] <seb128> just wait a bit
[02:33] <daniels> erich: hmm, not had any other reports about that.  if you could file a bug with /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf, that'd be good, thanks
[02:33] <daniels> erich: i'll be able to test it when I get back home
[02:33] <lupus_> yes I know I'm an impatient person :)
[02:34] <seb128> lupus_: yeah, that's not good
[02:34] <erich> daniels: well, i'm running debian unstable + xserver-xorg from ubuntu and a heavily modified kernel. So i don't really know what is causing the troubles. :-(
[02:35] <Mithrandir> do we have anything resembling "NOTHOARY" in bugzilla?
[02:35] <erich> but maybe you know about it. like "i have a radeon patch pending" ;-)
[02:35] <seb128> Mithrandir: no, use NOTWARTY, that's NOTUBUNTU in fact
[02:35] <Mithrandir> seb128: okie, thx.
[02:36] <doko> seb128: fixed gnome-python, uploading it soon.
[02:36] <seb128> np
[02:37] <daniels> erich: er, you do know you'll need xlibmesa-dri and probably xlibmesa-gl too, right?
[02:37] <daniels> erich: mixing and matching components is a good way to kill your system quickly
[02:39] <seb128> doko: thanks
[02:39] <erich> daniels: yes, i know... but after someone said that his gnome-terminal runs a lot faster with xorg i couldn't resist. ;-)
[02:40] <daniels> erich: you should either backport the entirety of xorg or none at all, really
[02:40] <erich> i upgraded all of xorg. searched by version 6.8.1-1ubuntu
[02:40] <erich> + dependencies of course.
[02:41] <erich> but the only package i downgraded to -6 is xserver-xorg
[02:41] <erich> should i downgrade all others, too?
[03:18] <doko> daniels: xserver on amd64 starts, anything else to check?
[03:36] <lexhider_> I created AudioCDCreation page on wiki and somehow it's under FrontPage >> Rosetta >> .. more stuff ..
[03:36] <lexhider_> can I change this to something more appropriate
[03:42] <daniels> doko: nope, that's it, thanks
[03:46] <seb128> anybody known why multisync is not tried by the buildds ?
[03:50] <trulux> pitti, hey
[03:51] <trulux> pitti, howya?
[03:51] <seb128> not sure that's he's here today
[04:20] <trulux> elmo, ping
[05:00] <shaya> daniels: where's this upload you said you did
[05:00] <daniels> i admit, i lied
[05:00] <daniels> (what sort of a question is that?)
[05:00] <daniels> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2004-December/001116.html
[05:09] <shaya> I would have figured it hit archiev already
[05:11] <daniels> shaya: it's a source-only upload
[05:12] <shaya> oh
[05:12] <shaya> so has to be built
[05:12] <shaya> I see
[05:12] <daniels> shaya: so in the time since I've uploaded it, it would have had to have been put in the internal archive, noticed by the buildds, built, uploaded, accepted, and mirrored to the external archive
[05:12] <shaya> yes, didnt know it worked that way
[05:13] <shaya> used to old debian way of uploading binaries with the source
[05:14] <daniels> all our uploads are source-only
[05:14] <shaya> yes, put 2 and 2  together
[06:07] <Keybuk> blegh
[06:08] <Treenaks> ?
[06:09] <Keybuk> Total AU$  460.00 ... proof that I'm a sucker for an offer of free food :p
[06:09] <Keybuk> even when the free food costs lots of money, in reality
[06:09] <Treenaks> ugh
[06:10] <Keybuk> (lca registations)
[06:10] <Treenaks> how many?
[06:10] <Mithrandir> when's LCA again?
[06:10] <Keybuk> just the one
[06:11] <Treenaks> hm.. lca.org.au is NOT what I expected
[06:11] <Mithrandir> it's linux.conf.au. :P
[06:11] <Treenaks> yeah I googled :)
[06:12] <Treenaks> I think I'll stick to FOSDEM though :(
[06:12] <Keybuk> I figured I should probably register as "Professional" rather than be cheap :p
[06:12] <Keybuk> (the fact it included a "dionner" is iirrelevant :p)
[06:12] <Treenaks> hey rubenv
[06:12] <Keybuk> mith: april 2005, week before ubuntu conf
[06:13] <RubenV> Treenaks: 'morning
[06:15] <Treenaks> hm.. Mako an I wondered why there was an entire stall of "mooning" characters on the market behind the cathedral in Barcelona
[06:16] <Treenaks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caganer
[06:16] <Treenaks> but it's traditional
[06:17] <sivang> Treenaks, heheh
[06:18] <sjoerd> haha
[06:18] <sivang> Keybuk, what is lca?
[06:18] <Treenaks> it's true
[06:18] <Treenaks> there was an entire stall full of those
[06:19] <Keybuk> sivang: linux.conf.au -- big, well regardedLinux developer conference
[06:50] <fabbione> it's nice to be back home
[06:50] <fabbione> except for the little detail of a few hours delay
[06:50] <Mithrandir> hi fabio
[06:50] <Treenaks> wb fabio :)
[06:51] <fabbione> hey
[06:51] <fabbione> now... let's lart somebody for fun..
[06:51] <fabbione> DANIELS! 
[06:51] <sjoerd> haha
[06:51] <fabbione> 2 uploads on X in the same day
[06:51] <Mithrandir> fabbione: what has he broken today?
[06:51] <Treenaks> fabbione: you leave him alone for one day... :)
[06:51] <sjoerd> seems like everyone who flew back yesterday/today has a delay somewhere
[06:52] <fabbione> sjoerd: not an excuse to fuck up X
[06:52] <fabbione> Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.2.ds1-19 (using .../libc6_2.3.2.ds1-19ubuntu2_sparc.deb) ...
[06:52] <fabbione> ops
[06:52] <fabbione> and my mirror as a consequence
[08:04] <TD> does michael voigt ever hang out here?
[08:05] <sjoerd> TD: mvo, currently not here
[08:05] <TD> thanks
[09:15] <trulux> Hardened Debian talk at the Umeet #linux on irc.uninet.edu
[09:15] <trulux> feel free to join
[09:15] <trulux> ;)
[09:45] <wasabi_> I am looking for the build process that creates the Ubuntu ISOs. Is that public anywhere?
[09:45] <daniels> wasabi_: it's just created with debian-cd
[09:45] <wasabi_> What about the d-i modifications?
[09:45] <wasabi_> I'm trying to create a preseed for it, for network installs at my office.
[09:46] <wasabi_> Is that all just built off of the repository?
[09:47] <wasabi_> Not totallly educated on the d-i yet... but im guessing ubuntu has a lot of udebs which do the X configuration and stuff?
[09:54] <daniels> wasabi_: apt-get install debian-installer
[09:55] <daniels> x configuration is done entirely within the xserver-xorg package
[09:55] <wasabi_> hmm, nifty.
[09:55] <wasabi_> At first boot or something? Or after base-config?
[09:56] <wasabi_> I don' thave debian-installer. Is it in warty?
[09:57] <wasabi_> Not in hoary either.
[10:02] <daniels> when xserver-xorg first gets configured, it does all its probing and magic
[10:02] <daniels> apt-get source debian-installer IIRC
[10:02] <daniels> and a whole host of udebs
[10:08] <wasabi_> I'm excited about this. ;)
[10:08] <wasabi_> Going to give FAI the boot.
[10:08] <jon1012> hi :)
[10:17] <wasabi_> Interesting. It created a pxeboot.tar.gz thing in it's build directory.
[10:17] <wasabi_> But didn't actually package any of it.
[10:25] <wasabi_> Woh.
[10:25] <wasabi_> This is super easy
[10:25] <wasabi_> All I really have to do now is make a preseed file.
[10:30] <wasabi_> uh oh. Doesn't look like ubuntu has preseed support?
[10:31] <daniels> i'm not sure, sorry
[10:31] <Mithrandir> wasabi_: warty doesn't, hoary does.
[10:31] <wasabi_> Hmm.
[10:31] <sgarrity> Has there been any discussion of having Home-as-Desktop set as a default in Ubuntu?
[10:31] <wasabi_> Suppose it's possible to grab d-i from hoary.
[10:32] <wasabi_> (I need this. =/)
[10:32] <Mithrandir> wasabi_: might work, yes.
[10:34] <wasabi_> I guess fixing this up shold be as easy as changing one line from hoary to warty for the release file to grab.
[10:35] <wasabi_> Mithrandir, know anything about the d-i setup? I dont' even know what im looking for. =/
[10:36] <Mithrandir> wasabi_: you probably want to talk to Kamion, not me.
[10:36] <wasabi_> k.
[11:26] <wasabi_> Cool. THink I got my d-i building
[11:26] <wasabi_> with a combination of warty/hoary udebs
[11:27] <wasabi_> So... I think the best thing for Hoary... to make this d-i unattended installation stuff easy for Real Users... is to have debian-installer generate a ubuntu-images or something package... which contains the netboot image and pxe info.
[11:27] <wasabi_> So to set up a network server, You'd just install ubuntu-image, and all the dhcp/dns stuff.
[11:39] <wasabi_> heh. no keyboard.
[11:56] <bluefoxicy> is ubuntulinux.org down/slow?