=== sivang [~sivang@80.179.66.193.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> zelazny.freenode.net === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === trickie [~trickie@203-206-82-239.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico_ [~enrico@140.109.17.68] has joined #ubuntu-doc === douglas [~douglas@suporte2.unilestemg.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:47] hi all [11:50] hi plovs === douglas [~douglas@suporte2.unilestemg.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.215] has joined #ubuntu-doc === siretart [siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:28] hi siretart [04:28] hi sivang [04:29] I contributed 2 Howtos for the ubuntu wiki. Is this the channel for coordination in the wiki? [04:29] also :) [04:29] it's also the channel for the ubutnu documentation team and other related stuff [04:30] ah, ok. then I'm right here, I think :) [04:30] you're always right here! as long as you follow the code of conduct :) [04:30] :) [04:31] I'm just looking at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto. Perhaps it would be better to explain how to copy files with nautilus instead using scp [04:32] in respect of the target audience of the howto. I mean, an experienced users would know how to read scp(1) [04:32] siretart, sounds like a good point, did you check if the nautilus docs already talk about that? [04:34] sivang: no, I don't find it in nautilus manual. But browsing in the local filesystem is. And browsing using "ssh://" urls is very transparent and intuitive [04:36] siretart : ok, I looked into it. It could benefit from a section of how to do stuff the "GUI" way after setting up, would you be interested in adding it? [04:37] jepp, i'll give it a try [04:37] you know how to login into the wiki? [04:37] btw: where did the howto index go? [04:37] sivang: I'm ReinhardTartler in the wiki [04:44] sivang: ok, updated [04:44] siretart, cool. thanks! [04:46] siretart, where is the part explaining about using nautilus to copy files ? [04:47] I called it Browsing with Nautilus over ssh [04:47] perhaps I should mention that copying is done via drag and drop, just like in local folders.. wait a minute.. [04:51] sentence added [04:55] good, now I see it. Thank you siretart [04:55] you're welcome [05:12] siretart: i used scp because copying with nautilus is kinda slow, but i agree that we should have both. And thanks for writing on the wiki! [05:13] sivang: svn is back online [05:15] plovs: what do you mean with nautilus is kinda slow? for a single file there should not be much difference, and for multiple files I think scp i quite unhandy. I personally prefer rsync over scp, but thats an other story.. [05:16] siretart: rsync, now that is an Howto i would like to see [05:16] btw: I see that there are many orphaned howtos. How about categorizing them? [05:17] siretart: how? [05:18] I think of categories of "system maintenance", "file householding", "desktop enhancements", "networking" etc, and making the howtos subpages of them [05:19] good idea, go ahead if you want, and a page with orphaned howto's is also a good idea [05:19] At the moment there doesn't exist any overview of all howtos in the wiki [05:19] plovs: where should this page go? Wiki -> DocumentationArea? [05:22] How about ... wiki is opening slow atm [05:23] website too. heavy load on zope? [05:23] zope is slowish [05:25] There is a page called HowTo, under it are the howto's, why not write the pages on that pages and put them under there? [05:25] I think they used to be there, but some days ago I noticed all howtos beeing orphaned [05:26] no Idea why [05:26] somebody might have accidently removed them, so we should move them back === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.88] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.88] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sm [~simon@lsanca1-ar5-4-60-061-228.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:48] ChrisH: hi! [10:48] plovs: re-hi :) [10:49] natasha is reading other stuff :-) [10:49] proofreading? [10:50] no, recipies and other woman stuff [10:50] and i am trying to install openoffice pre 2.o [10:51] how are you? [10:51] did you figure out how to do those links? [10:51] Okay so far. Yesterday I had to have a one-day-grandma-in-law-visit so I accomplished nothing. And currently I'm struggling with VPN (neither racoon nor freeswan work correctly since I use kernel 2.6). [10:52] [links] Do the references a I wrote them in the DocbookReference not work? [10:52] no, but that might be because it is different documents [10:52] Hmmm. [10:53] vpn stuff is tricky [10:53] it took me a week to get it to work, and then we found out the guys on the other end where to blame :-) [10:54] ChrisH: did you get it from svn? [10:55] plovs: What did i get from the svn? [10:55] [links] http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/link.html could help [10:56] [links] Do you want to link to a URL? Or to an anchor in the same document (not the same "file" but the same "document" in terms of everything that gets included)? [10:57] i want to do exactly what you wrote in the wiki, but to another file (NOT another doc) [10:57] I had assumed that xref would even work here. Strange. [11:00] Read . shows up without the link [11:01] but in the doc you send are some other ways to do it [11:11] i made a typo, but even without that it doesn't work [11:11] Using hyperlinks is probably not a good idea either since that would break in yelp. [11:12] but it would be great if we could get it to work [11:12] Yes, definitely what we will need at some point. [11:12] well, i'm just toying with it anyway [11:13] ok, time to sleep [11:13] There will still be technical issues from time to time. Like the yelp developer told sivan that we are "abusing" DocBook in a way that may in the future be incompatible with yelp. But he didn't elaborate. [11:14] we should ask him, i'll mail sivang [11:14] good night [11:14] nite