[11:47] <plovs> hi all
[11:50] <douglas> hi plovs
[04:28] <sivang> hi siretart 
[04:28] <siretart> hi sivang 
[04:29] <siretart> I contributed 2 Howtos for the ubuntu wiki. Is this the channel for coordination in the wiki?
[04:29] <sivang> also :)
[04:29] <sivang> it's also the channel for the ubutnu documentation team and other related stuff 
[04:30] <siretart> ah, ok. then I'm right here, I think :)
[04:30] <sivang> you're always right here! as long as you follow the code of conduct :)
[04:30] <siretart> :)
[04:31] <siretart> I'm just looking at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto. Perhaps it would be better to explain how to copy files with nautilus instead using scp
[04:32] <siretart> in respect of the target audience of the howto. I mean, an experienced users would know how to read scp(1)
[04:32] <sivang> siretart, sounds like a good point, did you check if the nautilus docs already talk about that?
[04:34] <siretart> sivang: no, I don't find it in nautilus manual. But browsing in the local filesystem is. And browsing using "ssh://" urls is very transparent and intuitive
[04:36] <sivang> siretart : ok, I looked into it. It could benefit from a section of how to do stuff the "GUI" way after setting up, would you be interested in adding it?
[04:37] <siretart> jepp, i'll give it a try
[04:37] <sivang> you know how to login into the wiki?
[04:37] <siretart> btw: where did the howto index go?
[04:37] <siretart> sivang: I'm ReinhardTartler in the wiki
[04:44] <siretart> sivang: ok, updated
[04:44] <sivang> siretart, cool. thanks!
[04:46] <sivang> siretart, where is the part explaining about using nautilus to copy files ?
[04:47] <siretart> I called it Browsing with Nautilus over ssh
[04:47] <siretart> perhaps I should mention that copying is done via drag and drop, just like in local folders.. wait a minute..
[04:51] <siretart> sentence added
[04:55] <sivang> good, now I see it. Thank you siretart 
[04:55] <siretart> you're welcome
[05:12] <plovs> siretart: i used scp because copying with nautilus is kinda slow, but i agree that we should have both. And thanks for writing on the wiki!
[05:13] <plovs> sivang: svn is back online
[05:15] <siretart> plovs: what do you mean with nautilus is kinda slow? for a single file there should not be much difference, and for multiple files I think scp i quite unhandy. I personally prefer rsync over scp, but thats an other story..
[05:16] <plovs> siretart: rsync, now that is an Howto i would like to see
[05:16] <siretart> btw: I see that there are many orphaned howtos. How about categorizing them?
[05:17] <plovs> siretart: how?
[05:18] <siretart> I think of categories of "system maintenance", "file householding", "desktop enhancements", "networking" etc, and making the howtos subpages of them
[05:19] <plovs> good idea, go ahead if you want, and a page with orphaned howto's is also a good idea
[05:19] <siretart> At the moment there doesn't exist any overview of all howtos in the wiki
[05:19] <siretart> plovs: where should this page go? Wiki -> DocumentationArea?
[05:22] <plovs> How about ... wiki is opening slow atm
[05:23] <siretart> website too. heavy load on zope?
[05:23] <plovs> zope is slowish
[05:25] <plovs> There is a page called HowTo, under it are the howto's, why not write the pages on that pages and put them under there?
[05:25] <siretart> I think they used to be there, but some days ago I noticed all howtos beeing orphaned
[05:26] <siretart> no Idea why
[05:26] <plovs> somebody might have accidently removed them, so we should move them back
[10:48] <plovs> ChrisH: hi!
[10:48] <ChrisH> plovs: re-hi :)
[10:49] <plovs> natasha is reading other stuff :-)
[10:49] <ChrisH> proofreading?
[10:50] <plovs> no, recipies and other woman stuff
[10:50] <plovs> and i am trying to install openoffice pre 2.o
[10:51] <plovs> how are you?
[10:51] <plovs> did you figure out how to do those links?
[10:51] <ChrisH> Okay so far. Yesterday I had to have a one-day-grandma-in-law-visit so I accomplished nothing. And currently I'm struggling with VPN (neither racoon nor freeswan work correctly since I use kernel 2.6).
[10:52] <ChrisH> [links]  Do the references a I wrote them in the DocbookReference not work?
[10:52] <plovs> no, but that might be because it is different documents
[10:52] <ChrisH> Hmmm.
[10:53] <plovs> vpn stuff is tricky
[10:53] <plovs> it took me a week to get it to work, and then we found out the guys on the other end where to blame :-)
[10:54] <plovs> ChrisH: did you get it from svn?
[10:55] <ChrisH> plovs: What did i get from the svn?
[10:55] <ChrisH> [links]  http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/link.html could help
[10:56] <ChrisH> [links]  Do you want to link to a URL? Or to an anchor in the same document (not the same "file" but the same "document" in terms of everything that gets included)?
[10:57] <plovs> i want to do exactly what you wrote in the wiki, but to another file (NOT another doc)
[10:57] <ChrisH> I had assumed that xref would even work here. Strange.
[11:00] <plovs> Read <xref linkend="general_notes"/>. shows up without the link
[11:01] <plovs> but in the doc you send are some other ways to do it
[11:11] <plovs> i made a typo, but even without that it doesn't work
[11:11] <ChrisH> Using hyperlinks is probably not a good idea either since that would break in yelp.
[11:12] <plovs> but it would be great if we could get it to work
[11:12] <ChrisH> Yes, definitely what we will need at some point.
[11:12] <plovs> well, i'm just toying with it anyway
[11:13] <plovs> ok, time to sleep
[11:13] <ChrisH> There will still be technical issues from time to time. Like the yelp developer told sivan that we are "abusing" DocBook in a way that may in the future be incompatible with yelp. But he didn't elaborate.
[11:14] <plovs> we should ask him, i'll mail sivang
[11:14] <plovs> good night
[11:14] <ChrisH> nite