[12:01] <thenuke> D0wnXcaST: hmm, I wonder if those w2k discs would help :o
[12:02] <thenuke> D0wnXcaST: but you can copy files from NTFS to -> Linux if that helps
[12:02] <D0wnXcaST> can i copy linux to ntfs
[12:02] <D0wnXcaST> ?
[12:02] <D0wnXcaST> :)
[12:02] <thenuke> umm nope, and that will not work with bootdisk :D
[12:03] <D0wnXcaST> i have to copy a file that i have here, on my NTFS partition
[12:03] <thenuke> winXP does not no how to play with linux
[12:03] <ryan> i missed half the conversation but...
[12:03] <thenuke> you need to do FAT -partition
[12:03] <ryan> doesn't the ntfs kernel module have experimental write support
[12:03] <thenuke> and then copy files from linux to FAT and from FAT to NTFS
[12:03] <D0wnXcaST> ok ! but with boot disk that would let me see my ntfs partition,i could do it
[12:03] <ryan> and there is an ext2fs driver at sf for windows
[12:04] <ryan> and a berkeley ffs driver for windows
[12:04] <D0wnXcaST> win98 works on FAT32 or ntfs?
[12:04] <ryan> the one of which i did use
[12:04] <ryan> heh
[12:04] <D0wnXcaST> i think i have a FAT partition, for my win 98 :) and my win xp is NTFS
[12:05] <D0wnXcaST> so could i do something ?:)
[12:07] <D0wnXcaST> i think i find a boot disk that support ntfs, that would be nice
[12:09] <D0wnXcaST> unable to mount selected drive ???? i cant access to my floppy on linux now??
[12:09] <dominic> its annoying when stuff like that happens
[12:09] <ryan> heh
[12:09] <ryan> reminds me of back when kernel 2.6 was still in betas and they took the floppy driver right out of the kernel
[12:10] <ryan> what a harrowing experience
[12:13] <caspar> Hia
[12:14] <caspar> hey can someone tell me where i can get Grub installer becose i installd windows after ubuntu and i need a reinstall of Grub (now using knoppix)
[12:14] <scizzo> caspar: that sounds like a weird thing to do...
[12:14] <caspar> i know
[12:15] <caspar> but i know it works
[12:15] <scizzo> yes
[12:15] <caspar> if i install grub in the mbr i know it should work
[12:15] <caspar> but where can i download it?
[12:15] <scizzo> caspar: couldn't you use the Live CD and install it from there?
[12:16] <caspar> from knopix or ubuntu?
[12:16] <scizzo> caspar: ubuntu
[12:16] <ironwolf> scizzo: caspar: you can't install from the liveCD
[12:16] <caspar> how then
[12:16] <ironwolf> scizzo: caspar: oh, grub on mbr... *feels stupid* yeah, can be done from liveCD
[12:17] <berceco> Hi
[12:18] <scizzo> caspar: look at this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[12:18] <scizzo> in a section there it mentions grub
[12:18] <scizzo> might work
[12:18] <caspar> ok
[12:18] <EfaistOs> deos someone can explain why my mic doesnt work with gnome-cd-recorder ? it says that /dev/dsp doesnt exist but udev didnt create it ... why ?
[12:18] <scizzo> caspar: but I am not sure
[12:19] <scizzo> EfaistOs: does it work in any other application?
[12:19] <EfaistOs> like ?
[12:20] <caspar> WHAT AM I DOING STUPID!!!
[12:20] <caspar> where is the istall file on ubuntu located?
[12:20] <caspar> becose i can install it from the hard disk then
[12:20] <DigiKill> anyone figured out how to mount HFS+ drives thru ubuntu?  do i need another program installed other than the base install i have?
[12:21] <EfaistOs> scizzo, someone just gave me this mic so i'm trying to use it ...
[12:21] <DigiKill> all my music is on a HFS+ drive :S
[12:21] <scizzo> EfaistOs: well...I am not sure what other app
[12:21] <EfaistOs> scizzo, and why there is no dev/dsp  ?
[12:22] <scizzo> EfaistOs: well maybe the mic is using another device?
[12:22] <scizzo> EfaistOs: the application is looking for /dev/dsp but that might not be the device that the mic is using
[12:22] <EfaistOs> scizzo, which one in this case ?
[12:22] <scizzo> EfaistOs: look in dmesg and /var/log/syslog
[12:23] <scizzo> EfaistOs: I am sorry but it can be anything..../dev/usb/ /dev/sound/ etc etc
[12:23] <scizzo> everything depends on the mic
[12:23] <caspar> sight
[12:23] <paulproteus> DigiKill: -t hfsplus should do it.
[12:23] <caspar> i found install but it needs dir
[12:24] <caspar> where should i do it?
[12:24] <DigiKill> paulproteus: mount -t hfsplus?
[12:24] <paulproteus> DigiKill: Right.
[12:25] <DigiKill> mount <hdb> -t hfsplus
[12:27] <caspar> how the *** mist i instlall it?
[12:28] <caspar> must*
[12:28] <scizzo> caspar: doesn't matter....win would still overwrite it if you install win after Linux
[12:28] <caspar> i know
[12:28] <occy> hmmm, Don't see fsck included in warty
[12:28] <scizzo> caspar: always install win before installing linux
[12:28] <caspar> but if i NOW install grub
[12:28] <caspar> i don't want to lose cofig
[12:28] <caspar> config
[12:29] <occy> don't see it in /bin or /sbin
[12:30] <scizzo> caspar: can't help you much sorry...
[12:30] <berceco> srry, caspar, wich is your problem ?
[12:30] <caspar> i only want to install grub. yes i can find the sbin and then the grub-install only the prob is it needs a dir
[12:30] <scizzo> EfaistOs: found anything in the logs that might help you?
[12:31] <Amaranth> heh, anyone else get a new X today in hoary and have it fail to start?
[12:31] <EfaistOs> nope
[12:31] <berceco> well, once i had that problem. I boot with a recovery cd, and then exec grub-install hd0, and it worked
[12:31] <berceco> xd
[12:31] <berceco> *or something like that
[12:31] <berceco> xd
[12:32] <caspar> thx
[12:32] <berceco> np, hope it helps xd
[12:32] <caspar> mkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Read-only file system
[12:32] <caspar> :|
[12:33] <Amaranth> you need to remount it as rw
[12:33] <EfaistOs> scizzo, i've got this in messages
[12:33] <EfaistOs> Dec 18 22:29:21 localhost usb.agent[8314] :      snd-usb-audio: already loaded
[12:33] <EfaistOs> Dec 18 22:32:25 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 5
[12:33] <EfaistOs> Dec 18 22:32:25 localhost kernel: usbaudio: unregister dsp 14,3
[12:33] <EfaistOs> Dec 18 22:32:25 localhost kernel: usbaudio: unregister mixer 14,0
[12:33] <berceco> :S
[12:33] <EfaistOs> apparently it's usbaudio ...
[12:33] <DigiKill> paulproteus: no luck at the moment...but thanx..its givin me some insight...
[12:33] <DigiKill> dinnertime >.....yummmm
[12:33] <scizzo> EfaistOs: you have a webcam also?
[12:33] <caspar> what do i need to mount?
[12:33] <EfaistOs> yes
[12:33] <scizzo> EfaistOs: a webcam that handles sound?
[12:34] <EfaistOs> maybe i cant use it ...
[12:34] <EfaistOs> its the quickam communicate ... a new one ...
[12:34] <scizzo> EfaistOs: try to unplugg the cam...
[12:34] <scizzo> EfaistOs: and then unplugg the mic...and plug it in again
[12:34] <EfaistOs> it's unplugged
[12:34] <scizzo> EfaistOs: follow the log if when you plug the mic in
[12:34] <scizzo> EfaistOs: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog
[12:35] <caspar> ??
[12:35] <caspar> what is that berceco?
[12:35] <caspar> dcc chat?
[12:35] <caspar> if it is voice it is no good if i need port forwarding it is no good
[12:35] <berceco> k
[12:35] <berceco> hm
[12:36] <berceco> r u with a recovery cd ??
[12:36] <EfaistOs> scizzo, when i plug the mic ... nothing ... but when i plug the webcam it creates the /dev/mixer and /dev/dsp
[12:36] <caspar> i am whit knoppix cd
[12:37] <scizzo> EfaistOs: hmmm
[12:37] <scizzo> EfaistOs: I have no idea then
[12:37] <EfaistOs> scizzo, my volume manager applet doesnt raise the sound anymorr
[12:37] <EfaistOs> wait i'll come back
[12:37] <scizzo> EfaistOs: you need to unplugg the webcam to get the sound working again
[12:37] <crimsun> you should not be using usbaudio with snd-usb-audio simultaneously
[12:38] <scizzo> my cam overwrittes my volume manager
[12:38] <caspar> berceco how do i install grub from there becose it sais read-only file system if i do: grub-install hd0
[12:38] <EfaistOs> but then it remove /dev/dsp and /devmixer
[12:38] <EfaistOs> scizzo, what cam ?
[12:38] <crimsun> usbaudio should be blacklisted by default in ubuntu
[12:38] <berceco> how can i whisper u ?
[12:38] <caspar> donno
[12:39] <crimsun> /msg <nick> <something>
[12:39] <berceco> thx
[12:39] <berceco> xd
[12:43] <viktor_> I'm having problems with X.
[12:45] <viktor_> It started out as a problem with the nvidia drivers (version mismatch etc), but now it X says it can't load 'bitmap' and 'pcidata'.
[12:45] <viktor_> and oh, I'm running hoary..
[12:45] <viktor_> anyone got a clue?
[12:47] <XhyldazhK> hi all
[12:48] <XhyldazhK> i have seroius problems, no one of my apps recognizes carriage returns and tabs
[12:48] <XhyldazhK> when i run indent and do a cat over the resulting file, is displayed as totally unundented
[12:49] <crimsun> viktor_: are you running XFree86 or X.Org?
[12:50] <viktor_> xorg
[12:50] <XhyldazhK> crimsun, xfree86, but happens too in the virtual consoles
[12:50] <crimsun> viktor_: `X -version' confirms that?
[12:50] <EfaistOs> scizzo,
[12:51] <viktor_> crimsun: yes
[12:51] <EfaistOs> scizzo, i just rebooted ... because i couldn(t kill some processes and now my mic is working and the volume manager applet too ... i think it was due to a quickcam driver that i installed ...
[12:52] <viktor_> crimsun: you got any idea?
[12:53] <scizzo> EfaistOs: oo..ok
[12:53] <crimsun> viktor_: make sure your /etc/X11/xorg.conf is properly configured
[12:53] <scizzo> EfaistOs: well...I don't know what causes that
[12:53] <EfaistOs> the module wasnt maybe good
[12:54] <viktor_> crimsun: is there anything special that I should think about.. It worked before the nvidia drivers were updated, but now I get the error i mentioned even when using the 'nv' driver...
[12:54] <crimsun> viktor_: compare your old /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to your new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:55] <crimsun> viktor_: you can use the former for the latter if you subsitute the 'kbd' driver (X.Org) for the 'keyboard' driver (XFree86)
[12:56] <viktor_> crimsun, but this error didn't come up when I upgraded from XFree to Xorg, but when I updated Xorg to latest version in hoary just now... maybe the maintainers are in the progress of upgrading packages for latest Xorg..
[12:57] <crimsun> viktor_: post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin
[12:58] <scizzo> I have my nvidia card with GLX now.. :) *happy*
[12:58] <scizzo> Xorg that is
[12:59] <sbdot> what's with every linux distribution i've ever tried not working with the audio on my laptop
[12:59] <JStrike> Which version of automake to I need to use for most stuff?
[01:00] <crimsun> JStrike: for most? 1.4p6+
[01:00] <crimsun> JStrike: I use 1.9 for most things
[01:00] <crimsun> sbdot: what laptop?
[01:00] <JStrike> hrm. I have 1.9 installed and Mono still doesn't seem to recognise that I have it installed
[01:01] <crimsun> JStrike: automake --version
[01:01] <crimsun> look at the top line of the output
[01:02] <JStrike> crimsun : What do you mean?
[01:02] <crimsun> JStrike: if you want 1.9 by default, you need to manipulate alternatives or explicitly specify automake-1.9
[01:02] <JStrike> **Error**: You must have `automake' installed to compile Mono.
[01:02] <JStrike> Get ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/automake-1.3.tar.gz
[01:02] <JStrike> (or a newer version if it is available)
[01:02] <sbdot> crimsun: panasonic cf-45 toughbook. the way old one (yamaha yzf744 or something chip)
[01:03] <sbdot> same problem with redhat and later fedora.  linux and this laptop's sound are not friends.
[01:05] <viktor_> crimsun: http://dose.se/xorg.conf and http://dose.se/Xorg.0.log
[01:05] <scizzo> whats wrong with apt-get install automake-1.9 ?
[01:06] <scizzo> viktor_: I have the same card as you
[01:06] <scizzo> viktor_: I can show you my xorg.conf file if you want to
[01:07] <JStrike> scizzo : I have automake-1.9
[01:07] <viktor_> scizzo, ah, ok, and you're running hoary?
[01:07] <scizzo> viktor_: yes
[01:07] <scizzo> viktor_: http://ubuntu.scrappy.ath.cx/xorg.conf
[01:07] <viktor_> ok, great, i'll try.
[01:08] <gpled> does anyone know of a text base browser that comes with ubuntu?
[01:08] <crimsun> w3m
[01:08] <JStrike> gpled : No. But you can install lynx
[01:08] <crimsun> links
[01:09] <scizzo> gpled: apt-get install links
[01:09] <scizzo> :)
[01:09] <JStrike> I wonder why it doesn't detect that I have an automake installed. Maybe I need to restart
[01:09] <Amaranth> viktor_: I have that problem too.
[01:09] <Amaranth> It's because of the recent hoary upgrade, I guess.
[01:12] <shampoo> Hi
[01:12] <shampoo> anyone know how to get hotplug to load a ntfs usb drive ?
[01:12] <viktor_> Amaranth, okay
[01:13] <Amaranth> viktor_: I ended up hackishly installing xfree86
[01:13] <Amaranth> I wouldn't suggest it.
[01:13] <caspar> IT WORKS!!
[01:14] <caspar> and now mounting my xp :P
[01:14] <berceco> cool XD
[01:15] <viktor_> Amaranth, okay. I'll probably end up going to sleep. then waking up tomorrow, doing a dist-upgrade and live happily ever after...
[01:15] <Amaranth> lets hope so
[01:15] <Amaranth> tomorrow i need to fix xorg and get Win2k installed on my backup drive :/
[01:17] <caspar> now lets go to bed :P
[01:17] <caspar> bya all
[01:17] <njan> I've setup alsa in ubuntu, and it works with mpg123, but every time I use xmms or beep, they both claim that the soundcard's being blocked..
[01:17] <njan> ..anyone have any ideas or even what the best way to diagnose it would be? Never had this much trouble with alsa before..
[01:17] <intinig> Hello all
[01:18] <intinig> I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and broke my hoary
[01:18] <intinig> Xor doesn't start anymore
[01:18] <intinig> s/Xor/Xorg
[01:18] <intinig> anyone else had this problem?
[01:18] <njan> intinig, yes, that happened to me; I think there was a python .deb which was breaking, I ended up gutting out hal-manager, a few python packages, and xorg, and reinstalling them all.
[01:19] <xevil> intinig unexpected things happen in unstable
[01:19] <njan> intinig, not sure if you're having the same problem, but play with apt-get at the command line and see what it's complaining about.
[01:19] <intinig> it doesn't complain about anything
[01:19] <intinig> everything went smooth
[01:19] <njan> intinig, :(
[01:19] <intinig> the python problem (it was python orbit if I remember correctly) happened yesterday
[01:20] <intinig> I fixed it somehow
[01:20] <njan> intinig, you have checked that your xorg.conf is still there, haven't you? :p
[01:20] <intinig> it's there and I even ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:20] <intinig> I can tell you what xorg complains about
[01:21] <intinig> Unable to load required base modules
[01:21] <squeegy> intinig: you fixed the weird python orbit stuff?
[01:21] <intinig> the modules it can't load are: bitmap and pcidata
[01:21] <intinig> squeegy yes
[01:21] <squeegy> intinig: do you remember how?
[01:21] <squeegy> :)
[01:21] <squeegy> i was messing around with it for awhile today
[01:21] <squeegy> but had no luck.
[01:21] <intinig> squeegy the fast way is this
[01:22] <intinig> queue all the python upgrades
[01:22] <intinig> then the installation will abort
[01:22] <Amaranth> i forced python2.4-pyorbit to install with dpkg -i --force-all /path/to/apt/store/python-package.deb
[01:22] <intinig> do apt-get remove python-orbit-2.4 (or what the package was)
[01:22] <intinig> and it will go smooth like the silk
[01:23] <intinig> Amaranth's way is fine too
[01:23] <Amaranth> it just wants to overwrite a file the 2.3 version is using
[01:23] <intinig> Amaranth exactely
[01:23] <mdke> hi there. I just got back from holiday and did a smart upgrade. had 363 packages to upgrade and it fails on the last one. Can someone help me out with why? http://www.pastebin.com/131112
[01:23] <intinig> now is anyone able to help me go back to gui? I like bitchx but it's so early linux days :)
[01:24] <squeegy> i think i screwed it up beyond that by removed both version of pyorbit
[01:24] <mdke> squeegy, so you wouldn't recommend that? ;)
[01:24] <intinig> squeegy do an apt-get install python-orbit (no version)
[01:24] <njan> running xmms from console, I get:
[01:24] <njan>  Attaching to mixer hw:0
[01:24] <njan> failed: Permission denied
[01:24] <gpled> i have a friend who has a newly installed ubuntu.  if he types host www.googl.com, he gets the ip.  if hey type lynx <ip> lynx works.  if he type lynx www.google.com, it does not work.
[01:24] <squeegy> intinig: no go. i think i have 2.4 installed now, but it still wants 2.3 or something
[01:25] <njan> and then, when I actually play a file, alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (default): Permission denied
[01:25] <gpled> same thing is happening with firefox
[01:25] <gpled> any ideas?
[01:25] <mdke> squeegy, guess this will be figured out soon
[01:25] <intinig> gpled broken dns servers
[01:25] <gpled> intinig: in ubuntu, or isp?
[01:25] <squeegy> i think i broke it
[01:26] <intinig> gpled make him use different dns servers
[01:26] <intinig> so he can check
[01:26] <intinig> squeegy I broke xorg :(
[01:26] <gpled> dig and host work for him though
[01:26] <robertj> heya all. I installed ubuntu on a partition that used to have the windows bootloader on it
[01:26] <robertj> if I run fixmbr from the recovery console, then I won't have access to grub any more
[01:27] <robertj> any ideas?
[01:27] <gpled> shoudn't lynx and host, be using the same dns?
[01:28] <gpled> also, knoppix has no trouble
[01:28] <MobyTurbo> robertj, what are you trying to do?
[01:28] <robertj> Moby: have grub boot into windows
[01:28] <mdke> squeegy, i just looked at the "new packages in repository" list and there are like a million python packages in there. I guess this prob will get fixed soon
[01:28] <robertj> its on /dev/hda5 so I tried having grub boot to (0,4) with no luck
[01:29] <robertj> so I assume it's looking for some intermediate bootstrapping program that's not there?
[01:29] <squeegy> mdke: yeah i think i'm fixing it forcing stuff with dpkg
[01:29] <MobyTurbo> robertj, you need to use "chainloader +1" with windows.
[01:29] <mdke> squeegy, k
[01:29] <robertj> i think I did
[01:29] <mdke> nite all
[01:30] <MobyTurbo> robertj, check to make sure. also makeactive.
[01:30] <robertj> it does have both
[01:30] <robertj> root (hd0,4) \n makeactive \n chainloader +1
[01:30] <robertj> Unknown partition type 0x7 makeactive Error 12: INvalid device requested
[01:31] <MobyTurbo> robertj, have you checked the partition type with cfdisk?
[01:31] <robertj> yeah
[01:31] <robertj> its fat
[01:31] <robertj> actually ntfs
[01:31] <robertj> the old one was fat
[01:31] <njan> This is perverse
[01:31] <njan> alsa doesn't work
[01:31] <njan> using beep with the *esound* plugin *does* work
[01:32] <njan> but the volume is changable via the alsamixer..
[01:32] <robertj> oky, lets try this from another angle them
[01:32] <MobyTurbo> njan, what is alsa not working with?
[01:32] <njan> MobyTurbo, anything.
[01:32] <MobyTurbo> njan, try turning off the sound daemon.
[01:33] <intinig> did the xorg reinstallation and it still complains about module pcidata and module bitmap
[01:33] <intinig> any clue?
[01:33] <njan> james@anubis ~ $ xmms
[01:33] <njan> ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1172:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy
[01:33] <njan> ** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (default): Device or resource busy
[01:33] <njan> that's what I get out of xmms
[01:33] <njan> and I don't have any sound daemon running, MobyTurbo .. at least, not to the best of my knowledge. This is a practically vanilla hoary installation (albeit with a kernel I compiled)
[01:33] <squeegy> something is blocking your soundcard possibly
[01:33] <squeegy> njan: ps aux | grep esd
[01:33] <njan> squeegy, well, beep and mpg123 both work
[01:34] <MobyTurbo> njan, you do have a sound daemon working in Ubuntu.
[01:34] <MobyTurbo> njan, at least in Warty
[01:34] <njan> MobyTurbo, oh?
[01:34] <njan> hmm
[01:34] <squeegy> njan: run the command i just said
[01:34] <Zeitgueist> Hiya guys...would somebody be willing to help me out, getting my wireless card to work?
[01:34] <MobyTurbo> njan, desktop preferences > sound, then turn off "enable sound server startup"
[01:34] <njan> squeegy, I jumped straight to the kill -9 stage and that fixed it ;)
[01:35] <njan> MobyTurbo, ty. Why's that enabled by default?
[01:35] <njan> that breaks half of the sound apps I've used..
[01:35] <squeegy> njan: you could tell xmms to play through esd as well...
[01:35] <njan> squeegy, it only has OSS and ALSA as options
[01:35] <MobyTurbo> njan, system sounds, like those drums etc, use the sound server. If you turn them off those won't work, but everything else does. ;-)
[01:35] <njan> MobyTurbo, gotcha.
[01:35] <njan> ah.. presumably that way, system sounds would still work if something else was outputting sound, so I guess that does make some sense.
[01:36] <njan> But it would also make sense to preconfigure xmms &c upstream to work with esd, but I guess that's why xmms is in multi/universe and not in the main repository.
[01:36] <njan> k, bbiaf
[01:37] <gpled> how can i see dhcp info in ubuntu?
[01:39] <Zeitgueist> would somebody be willing to help me out, getting my wireless card to work?
[01:40] <squeegy> Zeitgueist: YMMV but wireless is a real PITA to setup
[01:40] <squeegy> gpled: what type of dhcp info?
[01:40] <Zeitgueist> Squeegy:  Oh yes, I'm finding that out.  Doesn't help that I'm a total noob with Linux
[01:40] <gpled> squeegy: all the info the system was able to pull from dhcp server.
[01:41] <squeegy> Zeitgueist: well i've been using linux for a number of years and haven't had much luck with wireless, it's not something exteremely easy
[01:41] <squeegy> gpled: you mean what ip address and whatnot?
[01:42] <squeegy> Zeitgueist: make sure you have a card that is supported before you waste your time
[01:42] <squeegy> Zeitgueist: find out what chipset your model uses and see if thats compatable
[01:42] <Zeitgueist> already done that...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=35573&posted=1#post35573
[01:42] <gpled> squeegy: default route, dns, dhcp server, ...
[01:43] <Zeitgueist> Squeegy:it's prism 2.5 so in theory it should be compatible
[01:44] <gpled> Zeitgueist: i would boot from knoppix, to see what modules you need to load, the modprob them in.
[01:45] <squeegy> i doubt knoppix will autodetect the wireless
[01:45] <squeegy> you might have some luck, but it is honestly doubtful
[01:46] <njan> Zeitgueist, if it's prism2.5, you either need the drivers from linux-wlan-ng or the ones in the linux kernel.
[01:46] <njan> s/linux-wlan-ng/pcmcia-cs/
[01:46] <njan> I've had more luck with those than the hostap ones
[01:46] <njan> and the pcmcia-cs ones are rfmon-enabled, whereas the modules in the kernel aren't.
[01:47] <njan> not quite sure how it works in ubuntu, because I've been using wlan in gentoo for a while, but you want one of those packages or the other
[01:48] <Zeitgueist> well Dlink's site refers me to ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/
[01:48] <Zeitgueist> so apparently those are the drivers to use
[01:48] <Zeitgueist> but I'm clueless as to which one I need
[01:49] <njan> linux-wlan-ng - utilities for wireless prism2 cards
[01:49] <Zeitgueist> they don't seem to correspond with my linux kernal version
[01:49] <njan> I have them through apt
[01:49] <Zeitgueist> kernel even
[01:49] <njan> yeah, they're in universe.
[01:49] <njan> if you apt-get install them, pcmcia-cs should pick them up and modprobe the right thing when you insert the card..
[01:50] <Zeitgueist> its not a laptop unless I'm confused as to your meaning on PCMCIA
[01:50] <njan> oh.. gotcha
[01:51] <njan> ok, well, in that case, if you apt-get install linux-wlan-ng and then find the right module to load, you can just add that to the modules you load at startup
[01:51] <Zeitgueist> desktop wireless card...and I dont want to move to get within cable distance of my router
[01:51] <Zeitgueist> hmm
[01:51] <noam> hello, I've just upgraded to the hoady tree and it seems to have problems
[01:51] <njan> it should be prism2_pci, I think
[01:52] <melazyboy> noam: ... if it was without problems it woulden't be in development
[01:52] <noam> when I write "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" it returns "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.9-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format"
[01:52] <Zeitgueist> njan: so you're saying the easiest way would be to physically connect it through wired access...run the update program
[01:52] <njan> Oh, it isn't connected now..
[01:52] <fajmoh> how do I get xv to ubuntu
[01:53] <fajmoh> apt-cache search xv gives nothing
[01:53] <njan> Zeitgueist, have you just installed it off the warty cd?
[01:53] <melazyboy> noam: you might have to rebuild the module or the kernel
[01:53] <Zeitgueist> njan:  Yes, it's pretty much a fresh install
[01:54] <noam> I've tried that
[01:54] <Zeitgueist> njan: my first linux install, so basically I'm the worst kind of fresh off of windows noob
[01:54] <noam> (the module, I mean)
[01:54] <loststryk> hello noam
[01:55] <noam> just a second, i'm going to try something
[01:55] <njan> hi there, loststryk ;)
[01:55] <loststryk> njan :)
[01:56] <njan> Zeitgueist, well, your options are basically restricted to running around with floppy disks / cdrs with deb files on them or plugging the machine in temporarily..
[01:56] <melazyboy> noam are you building it from kernel sources or ndis sources?
[01:56] <njan> Zeitgueist, needless to say, I think plugging it in is the swiftest thing to do.
[01:56] <loststryk> got k3b working nicely :)
[01:56] <njan> loststryk, cool.. you should be using xcdroast, though :p
[01:56] <Zeitgueist> njan:  looks like I'm gonna do that...thanks for the help
[01:56] <loststryk> why ?
[01:56] <loststryk> i like k3b :)
[01:56] <njan> Zeitgueist, yvw. I'm tripping over myself slightly, because I've just come from gentoo; I might be a little less verbose next time ;)
[01:57] <njan> loststryk, I don't like qt/kde apps :p
[01:57] <joshua__> loststryk, hes a gnome nazi
[01:57] <njan> joshua__, ;)
[01:57] <loststryk> am really liking this distro
[01:57] <bitserf> also, be patient, hoary guys. i think a fair number of core devs are on the plane right now :)
[01:57] <loststryk> thanks njan :)
[01:57] <njan> loststryk, yvw. :)
[01:57] <njan> loststryk, I'm glad that I suggested the right thing to you :p
[01:57] <Zeitgueist> njan: I've been thinking of just doing a gentoo level one install, just so I have to force myself to learn some basic Linux
[01:57] <loststryk> however i still need secure connections via ftp ;/
[01:58] <yopertunity> I would like it if it didn't disable root
[01:58] <njan> Zeitgueist, :).. I've been using gentoo for ~18 months.. but it's a lot of hassle maintaining, which is finally the thing which has made me drop it for my primary desktop.
[01:58] <scizzo> viktor_: still there?
[01:58] <yopertunity> njan: I did the same thing
[01:58] <njan> Zeitgueist, the community is the best, the package management is fantastic, their original development is incredible.. they have a fantastic hardened computing team in particular, and the upstream packaging is really really really good.
[01:59] <njan> Zeitgueist, and whatever anyone else tells you, my laptop was about 140% faster yesterday running gentoo with gnome 2.8 than it is today running ubuntu with gnome 2.8
[01:59] <Zeitgueist> yeah I've been told that gentoo is insanely fast
[01:59] <njan> Zeitgueist, it's just the maintainence which finally got me. I work 7 days a week and I *need* my laptop to work, and for both of those reasons, I need a laptop which 'just works', and ubuntu fits in there
[01:59] <njan> Zeitgueist, not insanely. Noticably fast would be more correct ;)
[01:59] <dj-death> Hi all
[01:59] <njan> yopertunity, there's somewhat of a mass exodus from gentoo -> ubuntu, it seems.
[02:00] <melazyboy> njan: Thats fucking bull shit...
[02:00] <loststryk> njan any further thoughts on secure ftp clients that can do auth tls ?
[02:00] <dj-death> has someone tried to install xorg on debian from ubuntu pkgs here ?
[02:00] <njan> yopertunity, I know a significant number of IT pros who've moved from gentoo to ubuntu in the last few months
[02:00] <njan> melazyboy, if you want to actually disagree with me on something, you're welcome to do so, and I'll tell you why I think you're wrong :)
[02:01] <yopertunity> njan: how does kde run on ubuntu?
[02:01] <njan> yopertunity, haven't tried it.
[02:01] <njan> yopertunity, I'm not a kde fan at the best of times ;)
[02:01] <yopertunity> njan: I just hate gnome though---lol
[02:01] <njan> yopertunity, I'm the same with kde :p
[02:02] <squeegy> your <insert favorite desktop enviroment here> sucks
[02:02] <squeegy> :)
[02:02] <occy> Buffer I/O error, dev hda, sector 8      <-- sounds bad huh?
[02:02] <njan> yopertunity, mepis is debian-based and kde-centric, you might look at mepis. The nasty downside to mepis, as I discovered this morning, is that the community is significantly smaller than ubuntu and from what I can make out, they don't release a lot of their code, scripts, etc, as Open Source.
[02:02] <yopertunity> njan: squeegy: ahhh yes, but type a research paper w/o one
[02:02] <melazyboy> njan: Because your making a rediciolus claim that gentoo is 140% faster, when in reality typical gentoo optimizations only make a 5-15% difference.
[02:02] <njan> yopertunity, that last part is 'I heard it in #mepis', though, I don't know to waht extent it's true.
[02:02] <squeegy> yopertunity: you don't get it.
[02:03] <njan> melazyboy, you're making a ridiculous (and badly spelt) claim based on the premise 'when in reality.. ' which is just as asserted as the point I made.
[02:03] <loststryk> no unrar ?
[02:03] <kX> hey google :)  http://www.tcpsecurity.com/
[02:03] <yopertunity> squeegy: and why is that?
[02:03] <squeegy> yopertunity: it was humor
[02:03] <squeegy> nto meant to bash de's.
[02:04] <melazyboy> ... show some numbers to back up your subjective claim of 140%...
[02:04] <njan> melazyboy, your 'reality' aside, I have personally experienced, as someone who works in IT, in a high-availability environment in which I use my laptop, that my laptop is significantly faster in gentoo than it has been today in ubuntu, under similar load. If you want to disagree with me, you're welcome to, but as was indicated by my experiental assertion, this is based on experience, and nothing else.
[02:04] <yopertunity> squeegy: sorry, I just see posts all the time where people say CLI only!
[02:04] <njan> melazyboy, I have neither the time nor interest in putting any numbers together.
[02:05] <squeegy> yopertunity: no, i was just saying that everyone thinks everyone elses favorite de sucks and vice versa
[02:05] <squeegy> i could care less personally, i've used gnome and kde, and nealry every window manager known to man
[02:05] <yopertunity> squeegy: oh yeah! well yours sux worsesest!
[02:05] <squeegy> !!!! :)
[02:05] <njan> melazyboy, gnome is more responsive, tab completion is faster, and I can have more open without my DE freezing for a few microseconds each time I switch Virtual Desktop, and as far as I can tell, there's a ~40% difference as far as my productivity is concerned, even if the *precise* response times aren't that great.
[02:06] <yopertunity> squeegy: I prefer commodore64
[02:06] <melazyboy> njan: You show your experince by making a claim that is not possible, gentoo is faster because it's compiled using specialized optimizations, those can be quantified, and the number doesn't even come close to 140%
[02:06] <squeegy> i like windowsME a lot personally
[02:06] <squeegy> best version of an OS to ever exist
[02:06] <loststryk> does anyone know of any ftp client that can connect to ftp servers that require auth tls ?
[02:06] <squeegy> :)
[02:06] <njan> melazyboy, bear in mind also that whilst a specific package might only be 10% faster with speed optimisations, the average linux desktop is a layered environment in which unoptimised software is running in an unoptimised desktop environment in an unoptimised xserver, on an unoptimised kernel.
[02:07] <njan> melazyboy, so 'speed', which is an ambiguous term, refers to the speed increase over *all four layers*.
[02:07] <loststryk> squeegy, you should do comedy for a living =op
[02:07] <squeegy> heh
[02:07] <njan> melazyboy, so what you're basically saying is that what I've said is, what I've asserted isn't possible because it's a claim which isn't possible, based on nebulous 'quantitative' figures which you haven't supplied either :)
[02:07] <joshua__> loststryk, squeegy: i sense sarcasm in your comments... whats bad about windowsME?
[02:08] <yopertunity> squeegy: they didnt even bother to date it because they knew it sucked sooo bad
[02:08] <njan> melazyboy, it's disagreeable people like you who give linux communities bad names :)
[02:08] <loststryk> sense ? was dripping wasn;t it >?
[02:08] <joshua__> loststryk, squeegy: i mean, it is a windows for ME
[02:08] <squeegy> njan: don't feed the trolls
[02:08] <DigiKill> ehlo again...
[02:08] <joshua__> squeegy, what do trolls eat?
[02:08] <njan> squeegy, :).. it's late, and I'm exercising a little less self-restraint than I usually would ;)
[02:09] <njan> joshua__, anyone else's opinions they don't like.
[02:09] <squeegy> hehe
[02:09] <joshua__> njan: not a very diversified diet
[02:09] <njan> joshua__, that's why they're so grumpy :)
[02:09] <melazyboy> thats fine -- run a benchmark oh smart pretentious IT prick. or google for compile time optimizations and see the speed comparisons
[02:09] <yopertunity> ok, just finished the ubuntu install on the desktop, step 1--- get rid of the doo doo brown :)
[02:09] <joshua__> njan, i see
[02:09] <loststryk> njan whats that type of msuic you like ? the matrix type one ?
[02:09] <njan> loststryk, huh?
[02:09] <loststryk> the one that makes you type 100+ words a minute
[02:09] <yopertunity> melazyboy: you were molested as a child werent you?
[02:09] <squeegy> melazyboy: you're a fool if you're talking about compiler optimizations making that big of a difference
[02:10] <njan> melazyboy, as I said before, I have no interest in benchmarking it, and as I also said before, the situation is more complicated than you're assuming. I suggest you go back and read what I said ;)
[02:10] <loststryk> infectious ,ushroom, what genre
[02:10] <squeegy> melazyboy: check out www.funroll-loops.org
[02:10] <melazyboy> squeegy: I'm not Njan claims Gentoo is 140% faster than Ubuntu.
[02:10] <squeegy> oh
[02:10] <njan> melazyboy, that's not what I said at all.
[02:10] <njan> my laptop was about 140% faster yesterday running gentoo with gnome 2.8 than it is today running ubuntu with gnome 2.8
[02:10] <njan> that's what I said.
[02:10] <melazyboy> squeegy: Im argueing that the difference pales to that figure.
[02:10] <crimsun> melazyboy: no need to take offense at a purely subjective claim. Let him claim what he feels. That doesn't make it invalid.
[02:11] <squeegy> compiler optimizations when used improperly cause slower code in many cases
[02:11] <njan> I didn't make any assertions specifically about gentoo, I only made reference to *my* laptop.
[02:11] <DigiKill> question on this Synaptic Package installer....how "reliable" is it, or am i better of doin packages by hand?
[02:11] <melazyboy> my laptop was
[02:11] <squeegy> and most gentoo kids don't have a clue what they're doing with CFLAGS
[02:11] <melazyboy>               about 140% faster yesterday running gentoo
[02:11] <njan> if you're extending that to 'gentoo is 140% faster than $otherdistro', then you're a fool.
[02:11] <crimsun> DigiKill: quite reliable
[02:11] <squeegy> DigiKill: it's reliable
[02:11] <squeegy> DigiKill: although i prefer using apt-get from the command line
[02:11] <DigiKill> crimsun: ty ....it looks like a nice setup too
[02:11] <squeegy> DigiKill: it's all your personal opinion though
[02:11] <DigiKill> i think even my parents <who know NOTHING> could use it
[02:12] <crimsun> it's very nice. I'm an apt-get(8) person, but Synaptic is very, very enticing.
[02:12] <njan> melazyboy, it was an occasional sentence. You wouldn't extrapolate 'this scottish man is drunk' to infer that all scottish men are drunk. Equally, it's stupid to assume that because I believe that in my circumstance, there's a 140% speed increase, there is always one.
[02:12] <njan> melazyboy, I suggest you both go back and read everything that I said carefully, and that you pick up a book or two on critical thinking and read something by Quine.
[02:12] <njan> and with that, I'm employing /ignore and getting a cup of tea ;)
[02:12] <joshua__> njan, i want tea
[02:13] <loststryk> njan i want beer
[02:13] <DigiKill> i like apt-get alot....but that did make it very Handy to see packages...esp. since not all linux packages are "useable" that ive noted
[02:13] <njan> joshua__, earl grey, darjeeling, or english breakfast?
[02:13] <njan> loststryk, sorry, I'm all out of beer :p
[02:13] <squeegy> yerba matte!
[02:13] <joshua__> njan, i prefer asian teas
[02:13] <njan> joshua__, ah.. don't have any of those in the cupboard
[02:13] <squeegy> you guys need to try yerba matte
[02:13] <squeegy> it's good stuff
[02:13] <joshua__> njan, darn
[02:13] <melazyboy> njan: Give me a fucking break, you none the less said that Gentoo was 140% faster than Ubuntu, which is impossible in any situation, why? BECAUSE COMPILE TIME OPTIMIZATIONS CAN NOT EQUATE TO 140% <-- now drop it douche.
[02:14] <njan> joshua__, I'm a darjeeling person myself. I've been known to drink green tea on occasion, though.
[02:14] <joshua__> njan, hmm... you know what else is good, thai iced coffee
[02:14] <njan> joshua__, really? I've never had it..
[02:14] <DigiKill> anyone got any CHAI?
[02:14] <njan> joshua__, I live in a cold country, somehow cold drinks which aren't carbonated just don't seem appealing ;)
[02:14] <DigiKill> i'd be down for some of that
[02:14] <melazyboy> njan: I never said anything about assuming, or you assuming, i said you stated, which you did, that gentoo was 140% faster on your laptop, which it isn't.
[02:15] <joshua__> njan, oh... well you should try it anyways
[02:15] <melazyboy> or wasn't.
[02:15] <dani> aalguien de espaa?
[02:15] <Tomcat_> We had an install party the last 12 hours...
[02:15] <Tomcat_> Nobody wanted Ubuntu. :-(
[02:16] <Xenguy> Tomcat_: their bad
[02:16] <joshua__> Tomcat_, i was about to say it sounds like fun... but after that addition thats no fun at all
[02:16] <loststryk> i'd have asked them to leave
[02:16] <Tomcat_> Yeah, and seeing the problems with Debian in the end, we should've only allowed Ubuntu.
[02:16] <MobyTurbo> Tomcat_, what did they like instead?
[02:16] <joshua__> Tomcat_, i would have stolen all their hard disks and installed them myself ;-)
[02:16] <Tomcat_> Well setting up Debian is fun... but you need to do so much to get the same functionality Ubuntu has out of the box... :I
[02:17] <DigiKill> agreed Tomcat_
[02:17] <loststryk> Tomcat_, did you try the debian sarge release ?
[02:17] <Tomcat_> MobyTurbo: Debian... nothing else. I think the guy who presented the distros said too much about Debian.
[02:17] <Tomcat_> loststryk: Yeah, only sarge.
[02:17] <Tomcat_> joshua__: ev0l :D
[02:17] <DigiKill> noone wanted Mandy? or SuSE?  wow!
[02:17] <njan> joshua__, shall do. Any particular recommendations on how to make it or how to procure it?
[02:17] <MobyTurbo> Tomcat_, Debian is a strange choice for newbies.
[02:17] <Tomcat_> SuSE wasn't available, because they suck too much...
[02:17] <xevil> Tomcat_ I agree... Ubuntu took less than 30 minutes to install/config
[02:18] <Tomcat_> Fedora was another option.
[02:18] <joshua__> njan, no clue...
[02:18] <njan> joshua__, bah :p
[02:18] <DigiKill> lol Tomcat_
[02:18] <DigiKill> FC3?  wow...
[02:18] <Tomcat_> MobyTurbo: We're mostly Debian geeks @ university, so that was the choice.
[02:18] <dani> aalguien de espaa?
[02:18] <Tomcat_> loststryk: It's not like I chose that. :P
[02:18] <njan> loststryk, ignore is fantastic :p
[02:18] <joshua__> njan, ill have to ask next time i go
[02:18] <DigiKill> i'd put ubuntu on rather than FC33 anyday
[02:18] <DigiKill> *FC3
[02:18] <Tomcat_> Yeah, same here. Absolutely.
[02:18] <MobyTurbo> Tomcat_, Debian's an excellent distro for sure, but for newbies I'd prefer ubuntu.
[02:18] <loststryk> fc2 was whacked, i dunno how they could ever show there faces after that bodge job
[02:19] <Tomcat_> MobyTurbo: We probably gave them too much choice... and when somebody tells newbies how good Debian is, of course they'll choose it.
[02:19] <DigiKill> loststryk: probly the same way Windows still showd their face after WinME
[02:19] <DigiKill> lol
[02:19] <loststryk> lol DigiKill
[02:19] <Tomcat_> Argh fucking Windows...
[02:19] <Tomcat_> We had one Laptop...
[02:19] <Tomcat_> Installed Debian...
[02:19] <fester420> i have a triboot systm suse 9.2 windows and ubuntu
[02:20] <Tomcat_> LILO didn't want to boot Windows. (NTLDR missing)
[02:20] <fester420> use grub
[02:20] <Tomcat_> Tried every workaround, finally Grub... nothing.
[02:20] <njan> Tomcat_, I hate it when it does that :/
[02:20] <fester420> i had that same problem
[02:20] <DigiKill> im sittin at a "triple" boot in essence....  OS 9/OS X/Ubuntu
[02:20] <Tomcat_> all options of map, rootnoverify, chainloader, makeactive... whatever.
[02:20] <joshua__> DigiKill, not true, not many in the windows community realized how crappy WinME was... im sure the percentage of people who realized how bad FC2 was is much greater
[02:20] <loststryk> if i can ever get my ftp problem sorted, i'll never go back to windows
[02:20] <MobyTurbo> Tomcat_, there's a howto somewhere on loading Linux via NT's loader.
[02:20] <Tomcat_> Finally we tried it the other way around... load WinXP boot loader and then run Linux from there.
[02:20] <fester420> load failsafe options
[02:20] <Tomcat_> Still WinXP didn't want to boot.
[02:20] <njan> MobyTurbo, the thought of that just makes me feel dirty, somehow :p
[02:20] <joshua__> DigiKill, so therefore MS didn't have to hide their faces
[02:20] <DigiKill> im outta here....i Robot is startin
[02:21] <joshua__> DigiKill, go for it
[02:21] <DigiKill> bbl...
[02:21] <joshua__> DigiKill, although i think someone would have hacked the robots to kill people, but ok
[02:21] <loststryk> sleep time
[02:21] <loststryk> njan ; night
[02:21] <loststryk> night all
[02:21] <Tomcat_> Well MobyTurbo, didn't work out because WinXP boot loader wouldn't even load WinXP. :)
[02:21] <Tomcat_> In the end we restored the backup...
[02:21] <njan> take care, loststryk
[02:21] <Tomcat_> :(
[02:21] <Tomcat_> She'll probably never try Linux again.
[02:21] <MobyTurbo> if I did dual-boot I'd do it between Linux and BSD.
[02:22] <fester420> i want to try solaris 10
[02:22] <fester420> i heard good shit about it
[02:22] <joshua__> I dual boot between hoary and warty
[02:22] <loststryk> actually me is off to watch invasion of the body snatchers on bbc2
[02:22] <loststryk> :):):):):):)
[02:22] <Tomcat_> I learned a few things about my system too... Ubuntu does have Framebuffer out of the box... :P
[02:22] <Tomcat_> And "hotkeys" is way better than using shortcuts in Gnome.
[02:23] <joshua__> ok, question if im using acclerated drivers on a 9700 pro what FPS should i get in glxgears
[02:24] <fester420> like 1000
[02:24] <fester420> fps
[02:24] <joshua__> fester420, really? because i get 2200+ and AA runs really shitty
[02:24] <fester420> did you get 3d drivers for it
[02:24] <joshua__> fester420, like i said, accelerated drivers
[02:25] <fester420> wow i got a shitty nvida card and i get 850 fps
[02:25] <fester420> is that an ati card
[02:25] <joshua__> yea
[02:26] <fester420> ati cards dont like ubuntu
[02:26] <joshua__> no, linux distros dont like ati
[02:26] <njan> no, ati don't like linux
[02:26] <fester420> i used to have a radion pro 9700
[02:26] <njan> :)
[02:26] <fester420> and linux fried it
[02:26] <scizzo> ati is nice
[02:27] <melazyboy> joshua__: Are you using xorg?
[02:27] <joshua__> melazyboy, no, im in warty
[02:27] <fester420> iam in suse 9.2
[02:27] <fester420> suse 9.2 works really well with ati based cards
[02:27] <joshua__> melazyboy, but i get really horrible FPS in AA even with all the textures on super low and at the lowest possible resolution
[02:27] <scizzo> fester420: I am using ati in my laptop and ubuntu....I have had no problem with it
[02:28] <djuuss> not as good as y0per does with nvidia
[02:28] <fester420> well sometimes it works sometimes it dosent
[02:29] <melazyboy> joshua__: 2200 isn't horrible fps for an ATI card, just stick with XFree86, your card isn't supported yet with Hoary
[02:29] <djuuss> like i said
[02:29] <fester420> joshua__, do glxgears and tell me what type of fps you are getting\
[02:29] <joshua__> fester420, 2600+
[02:29] <djuuss> joshua__: ey, you back? fixed your xconfig have you ?
[02:29] <joshua__> djuuss, nah... i just play off my lcd
[02:30] <joshua__> fester420, going up to 2800+
[02:30] <djuuss> so the crt is still a bitch rite?
[02:30] <fester420> thats good
[02:30] <joshua__> djuuss, yea, dont matter anyways
[02:30] <fester420> for ati
[02:30] <dosia> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[02:30] <fester420> you should have no problems
[02:30] <joshua__> fester420, but AA runs crappy with the lowest quailty tex's and at the lowest possible screen res
[02:31] <melazyboy> joshua__: Glxgears isn't really a benchmarking utility, if you get over 1k fps, then you have hardware acceleration, thats all it was ever really ment to test. And with the ATI card because the driver isn't open source, there isn't much you can do about it, simply said its working above 1kfps, so its working, you can make sure you don't have conflicting modules running, ie no 'ati', you should just have 'fglrx'
[02:31] <joshua__> fester420, and AA isn't based on a good engine
[02:31] <djuuss> joshua__: i'm sorry, i'm drunk, but why not try to get the sax2 rpm from suse and "alien" it to a .deb??
[02:31] <Phr0stByte> Anyone know of a good app for creating media labels? (DVD covers, cd labels, etc, etc)
[02:31] <joshua__> djuuss, whats sax2?
[02:31] <squeegy> anyone know of a tutorial for building .deb's from source?
[02:31] <fester420> fuck i should send yall fuckin suse 9.2
[02:31] <crimsun> squeegy: the maintainers' and developers' guide are beneficial
[02:32] <joshua__> fester420, i got myself a copy, its way to slow
[02:32] <crimsun> guides^
[02:32] <melazyboy> joshua__: make sure 'dri' and 'ati' aren't loaded with lsmod
[02:32] <djuuss> joshua__: its the ultimate X-configurator :) it autodetects *everything* including mousewheel and 3d accel
[02:32] <fester420> only yast is slow
[02:32] <joshua__> melazyboy, ok, one sec
[02:32] <CraHan> evening
[02:32] <fester420> and alot of other shit like the boot up
[02:32] <squeegy> crimsun: on debian's site or on ubuntu's?
[02:32] <CraHan> just did a dist-upgrade on hoary and...
[02:32] <CraHan> tsha tsching!  no more x.org
[02:32] <djuuss> yast is a bitch
[02:32] <CraHan> can't find bitmap or pcidata modules :)
[02:32] <djuuss> just get sax
[02:33] <fester420> thats y i use synaptic
[02:33] <joshua__> melazyboy, no they arnt
[02:33] <fester420> in my suse and apt-get
[02:33] <CraHan> so x.org doesn't start anymore
[02:33] <fester420> i hate fuckin yast
[02:33] <melazyboy> joshua__: if you see anything that looks suspecious of being a video module kill it
[02:33] <djuuss> yast is as slow as a snail in molasses
[02:33] <squeegy> fester420: it doesn't like it when you fuck it either
[02:33] <crimsun> squeegy: Debian's
[02:33] <joshua__> melazyboy, uhh, aside from fglrx i dont think so
[02:33] <fester420> lmao
[02:33] <melazyboy> djuuss: Sax and Sax2 won't work with fglrx
[02:34] <melazyboy> joshua__: In your xfree86, do you have the module 'fglrx' set under your primary display adapter?
[02:34] <HelloWorld> hi guys
[02:34] <djuuss> that sucks :(
[02:34] <melazyboy> XFree86-4.conf i think
[02:34] <HelloWorld> is the current hoary completely broken?
[02:34] <fester420> 3267 frames in 5.0 seconds = 653.400 FPS
[02:34] <fester420> 4170 frames in 5.0 seconds = 834.000 FPS
[02:34] <fester420> 4629 frames in 5.0 seconds = 925.800 FPS
[02:34] <fester420> 4911 frames in 5.0 seconds = 982.200 FPS
[02:34] <fester420> 4851 frames in 5.0 seconds = 970.200 FPS
[02:34] <joshua__> melazyboy, yes i do... thats why i get 2600+ in fglrx
[02:34] <crimsun> HelloWorld: not entirely
[02:34] <fester420> thats what i get
[02:34] <joshua__> melazyboy, err, in glxgears
[02:34] <crimsun> HelloWorld: just a li'l
[02:35] <CraHan> x.org on hoary is broken now :)
[02:35] <djuuss> melazboy: whats the easy way into nvidia-glx without manual modprobing nvidia?
[02:35] <HelloWorld> but I launch gnome, and the panel doesn't work
[02:35] <fester420> ifconfig
[02:35] <CraHan> at least for me
[02:35] <fester420> woops
[02:35] <HelloWorld> neither does nautilus
[02:35] <crimsun> CraHan: -7?
[02:35] <fester420> use synaptic
[02:35] <CraHan> crimsun: it errors with a message that it couldn't load the base modules
[02:35] <fester420> and get the drivers
[02:35] <HelloWorld> is anyone having the same issues, or are they specific to me?
[02:35] <Phr0stByte> Anyone know of a good app for creating media labels? (DVD covers, cd labels, etc, etc)
[02:35] <CraHan> worked fine before the update though
[02:35] <djuuss> just use k3b
[02:35] <fester420> xcdroast
[02:35] <melazyboy> djuuss: not sure i don't have an nvidia card, if your question is how do you auto-modprobe, there is a /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modules
[02:36] <joshua__> melazyboy, any clue?
[02:36] <djuuss> melazboy: k great, more config editing,
[02:36] <crimsun> well, I'll find out real quick, CraHan
[02:36] <bitserf> HelloWorld: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4794
[02:37] <HelloWorld> sorry, wrong button :)
[02:37] <CraHan> thanks crimsun
[02:37] <bitserf> hello: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4794
[02:37] <joshua__> bad djuuss
[02:37] <fester420> i got limewire
[02:37] <fester420> on both my linux os's
[02:38] <djuuss> joshua__: bite me
[02:38] <melazyboy> joshua__: 2k fps, really isn't that shabby for a ATI 9600-9800 there windows drivers are sub par, and their linux drivers are even worse than their windows drivers -- sorry thats all i can tell you, i upgraded to hoary and haven't had 3d acceleration since. i wasn't aware of the incompatability between xorg/fglrx, needless to say i don't think there will be a fix, i think ati will eventually make the buisness move to drop linux supp
[02:38] <joshua__> djuuss, im just kidding...
[02:38] <crimsun> CraHan: ok, maybe not real quick. Looks like my uni's connection is suffering.
[02:38] <djuuss> joshua__: oh really..
[02:38] <calc> wow acpi 3.0 is out and is huge
[02:38] <calc> double the size of the 2.0c spec
[02:38] <djuuss> joshua__: want me to burn it on dvd+r for you?
[02:38] <CraHan> crimsun: ok :)
[02:38] <joshua__> djuuss, yea... cept i don't download movies, i rent em and make copies
[02:40] <frogbert> is there any nero clone available for ubuntu?
[02:40] <fester420> no\
[02:40] <fester420> there is a roxio clone
[02:40] <fester420> but its a .rpm
[02:40] <frogbert> well that sucks
[02:40] <djuuss> frogbert: try k3b, will download some KDE libs tho
[02:40] <frogbert> oh okay
[02:40] <joshua__> fester420, well roxio sucks bullocks
[02:40] <frogbert> well that sucks
[02:40] <Phr0stByte> Anyone know of a good app for creating media labels? (DVD covers, cd labels, etc, etc)
[02:41] <frogbert> Yeah I'm trying to avoid that
[02:41] <fester420> i agree
[02:41] <djuuss> cdparanoia?
[02:41] <fester420> u can get xcdroast
[02:41] <fester420> as a tar.gz file
[02:41] <djuuss> wouldnt advise it
[02:41] <djuuss> dpkg wont know you installed xcdroast
[02:41] <frogbert> Compiling isn't a problem, but I don't want some kde crap in my gnome desktop.
[02:42] <fester420> you can
[02:42] <djuuss> apt-get install xcdroast k3b cdparanoia
[02:42] <fester420> you need the dependices
[02:42] <djuuss> frogbert: it wont "invade" gnome, its just used to draw the windows in k3b
[02:42] <fester420> for it you need some lib files
[02:42] <frogbert> djuuss, Yeah but the UI doesn't gell
[02:43] <djuuss> frogbert: not yet it doesn't..
[02:43] <socomm> Hello how do I change apaches default dir from /var/www/apache2-default to something else.
[02:43] <frogbert> I'll figure something out later
[02:43] <djuuss> frogbert: thats why it gets the kde libs
[02:43] <zenwhen> frogbert, theres no gnome equivelent app
[02:43] <djuuss> true that
[02:43] <LinuxJones> Has Hoary stabalized any the last few weeks ;0
[02:43] <CraHan> erhm
[02:43] <frogbert> I'd bitch and complain but then I'd be compaining about something free
[02:43] <CraHan> yeah, until today :)
[02:43] <socomm> LinuxJones: No.
[02:44] <djuuss> go with xcdroast, stick to command line, or suffer the k3b consequences
[02:44] <CraHan> borked x.org for me
[02:44] <fester420> i cant figure out how to burn iso's
[02:44] <LinuxJones> heh
[02:44] <frogbert> I should write somthing
[02:44] <socomm> fester420: man cdrecord
[02:44] <djuuss> good point socom
[02:44] <frogbert> Anyway is there a way to access my modem?
[02:44] <djuuss> depends on the modem :)
[02:44] <fester420> iam about to burn my windows partition off
[02:44] <frogbert> Lol yes, its a winmodem
[02:44] <zenwhen> fester420, right click the ISO and choose to burn it to a disc?
[02:44] <LinuxJones> fester420, burning cdroms didn't work for me like 3 weeks ago with Hoary :D
[02:44] <djuuss> aye
[02:45] <zenwhen> oh
[02:45] <zenwhen> hoary?
[02:45] <zenwhen> lol
[02:45] <djuuss> no *positive* experience wit hwinmodems
[02:45] <djuuss> i'm still at warty
[02:45] <frogbert> I've had them work but that was with those crippled 28.8 modem drivers in Mandrake
[02:45] <djuuss> complain all you want, but its not as old as woody :)
[02:45] <fester420> iam about to install fuckin fd3
[02:45] <socomm> fd3?
[02:45] <djuuss> hmm
[02:45] <fester420> omg i have a 3.0 mp/s internet connection
[02:45] <crimsun> guessing fc3
[02:46] <socomm> You mean FCe?
[02:46] <djuuss> going to bed
[02:46] <fester420> whoops
[02:46] <frogbert> LT Winmodem... it seems to know its there
[02:46] <socomm> s/FCe/FC3
[02:46] <frogbert> is there a dial program?
[02:46] <djuuss> i love this country, alcohol for 16 and up
[02:46] <fester420> dialup and linux sounds like it sucks
[02:46] <zenwhen> um
[02:46] <crimsun> fester420: works fine
[02:46] <zenwhen> it sucks as bad as your modem
[02:46] <gunnzi> #gentoo
[02:47] <frogbert> djuuss, Since when isn't it 16? Or less?
[02:47] <zenwhen> USR hardware modem or bust
[02:47] <djuuss> i'm from *holland*
[02:47] <djuuss> you know..
[02:47] <frogbert> Its a laptop I can't just rip it out and put a new one in
[02:47] <socomm> So anyone know how to configure apache?
[02:47] <frogbert> yes actually
[02:47] <zenwhen> frogbert, have a serial port?
[02:48] <djuuss> guys, i'm out
[02:48] <frogbert> yeah but no external modem worth mentioning
[02:48] <djuuss> good luck
[02:48] <djuuss> cya tomorrow
[02:48] <frogbert> socomm, ubuntuguide.org/
[02:49] <socomm> frogbert: Thanks.
[02:51] <socomm> Errm I just want to change apaches root directory.
[02:51] <socomm> Seems as if debian changed httpd.conf to apache2.conf
[02:51] <CraHan> so do I  need to set a path to where X.org looks for its modules?
[02:51] <CraHan> cause I have libpcidata.a
[02:52] <CraHan> in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/
[02:52] <CraHan> but X.org complains on startup that it can't find it
[02:53] <wazoo> Hello all. Using live cd, I cannot get a printer -- which is recognized, and offers a driver -- to print! Is this unique to the cd?
[02:54] <frogbert> What printer?
[02:54] <wazoo> hp laserjet 6l
[02:54] <frogbert> Mine works
[02:55] <frogbert> Is it plugged into the USB port of LPT
[02:55] <bitserf> the problem with X not working in hoary currently seems to be some module loader changes in -ubuntu7 of Xorg
[02:55] <wazoo> did I skip a step? I clicked on new printer, the printer was correctly identified, I clicked "apply" and tried to print a test page. Nothing.
[02:55] <wazoo> lpq shows nothing, also.
[02:55] <bitserf> i'll drop the patch and see if i can rebuild it, if successful, i'll let you know :)
[02:56] <lexhider> I don't have a lwn subscription, anyone point me to other information on tech details on what went down at the latest conference.
[02:57] <frogbert> Perhaps print from gedit
[03:00] <wazoo> frogbert, tried that too -- and it was listed as an option. I had the same trouble at work with Ubuntu -- different printer (also hp), same problem. Whether hpijs or ljet4.
[03:00] <lexhider> bitserf: I was about to upgrade to hoary, should I wait a few days?
[03:00] <frogbert> Anyone know how to get hotplugable disk drives to work?
[03:00] <frogbert> wazoo, I don't really know then.
[03:02] <wazoo> frogbert. thanks. I can't find anything on google the problem. maybe it's an hp thing? ah well.
[03:03] <gpled> wow, got the strange browser dns problem solved
[03:03] <lexhider> frogbert: what specifically are you trying to connect?
[03:05] <gpled> and, i learned more about ubuntu :)
[03:05] <K-otiK> does anyoen know how i could copy an ISO onto my hd?
[03:05] <frogbert> lexhider, I have a laptop with hotswapable drive bays
[03:06] <fester420> off a cd
[03:07] <lexhider> frogbert: sorry I don't have any experience with that stuff, I have had succesw with flash drives and even an ipod through firewire just last night.
[03:07] <fester420> some reason ubuntu dint like my laptop the battry moniter never worked
[03:08] <miausX> hi!
[03:08] <|QuaD-> anyone try out the new trillian? some features are pretty cool, wish gaim had them
[03:09] <Gnobody> alsa is messed up
[03:09] <fester420> eek trilion pisses me off
[03:09] <|QuaD-> fester420: why?
[03:10] <K-otiK> in ubuntu, how can i unistall programs i installed using apt-get?
[03:10] <miausX> |QuaD, oh, I tried trillian on my windoze machine... it ROCKS :D
[03:10] <fester420> iam using suse right now and the sound server for it only allows one sound at a time
[03:10] <miausX> K-otiK, apt-get --purge remove blah
[03:10] <fester420> and when othe sounds play suse gets mad
[03:10] <K-otiK> thanks miausX
[03:10] <|QuaD-> if they released trillian for linux, that would be the only piece of non-OSS i would put on
[03:10] <miausX> anybody knows txt2tags?
[03:11] <miausX> |QuaD, yeah me too... I hate gaim :P
[03:11] <|QuaD-> it is far better then gaim in my opinion
[03:11] <miausX> K-otiK, no prob ;)
[03:11] <|QuaD-> miausX: i like its features... but it still lacks a lot
[03:11] <miausX> |QuaD, yep... and I love the trillian interface :)
[03:12] <|QuaD-> yeah... but after reading trillian developers slashdot comments, i doubt it is coming anytime soon, or anytime for that matter
[03:12] <miausX> PLEASE, take a look at this --> http://txt2tags.sourceforge.net (and NEVER install the Ubuntu's/Debian version of txt2tags) :D
[03:12] <miausX> |QuaD :(
[03:12] <crimsun> CraHan: it's related to the dlopen changes
[03:12] <|QuaD-> miausX: i don't even care if it is opensource or not!!!
[03:12] <miausX> lol
[03:13] <crimsun> CraHan: it will have to be resolved in the next upload, -8
[03:13] <miausX> |QuaD me neither... I use Opera as my default browser, and yes, I bought it :)
[03:13] <|QuaD-> miausX: u don't like ff?
[03:13] <CraHan> crimsun: ok thanks!
[03:13] <CraHan> cd
[03:13] <CraHan> oops
[03:13] <miausX> |QuaD yep, firefox it's a VERY good browser, but... Opera is Opera ;)
[03:13] <bitserf> crimsun: do you know if the modules are supposed to be built as .so? thats what the code change seems to imply, but the matching modules on the filesystem are .a
[03:13] <K-otiK> does anyone have nmap installed on their ubuntu box?
[03:14] <miausX> fast like a missile :)
[03:14] <lukins> anyone able to compile kernel with make gconfig?
[03:14] <thoreauputic> interesting. I ysed to use Opera, but I find I prefer Firefox now
[03:14] <|QuaD-> miausX: never used opera
[03:14] <thoreauputic> *used to
[03:14] <|QuaD-> what makes it nice?
[03:15] <crimsun> bitserf: I think daniels and/or fabbione are better-posed to answer that question
[03:15] <miausX> |QuaD I love the Opera "prefereces" menu... the firefox preferences menu is a bit short :)
[03:15] <|QuaD-> heh
[03:15] <miausX> hehehe
[03:16] <K-otiK> nobody uses nmap?
[03:16] <thoreauputic> miausX: it's a different philosophy - to get extras in firefox you install the extensions
[03:16] <|QuaD-> K-otiK: i do
[03:16] <miausX> thoreauputic, yep :)
[03:17] <K-otiK> |QuaD- is your giving you crap like: sendto in send_tcp_raw: sendto(3, packet, 40, 0, 192.168.1.0, 16) => Operation not permitted
[03:17] <K-otiK> ?
[03:17] <K-otiK> cus nmap on my box isnt' working at all
[03:17] <|QuaD-> K-otiK: nope
[03:17] <lukins> whats nmap?
[03:17] <K-otiK> the best damn port scanner ever
[03:17] <miausX> K-otiK, are you running nmap with sudo? are you behind a firewall?
[03:18] <K-otiK> im in the terminal as root, and i am not running a firewall right now
[03:18] <miausX> hum
[03:18] <|QuaD-> K-otiK: try the x windows nmap
[03:18] <|QuaD-> i think nmap-fe
[03:18] <|QuaD-> its sometimes easier
[03:18] <|QuaD-> stops you from making config mistakes
[03:19] <thoreauputic> K-otiK: umm.. you are IRC ing as root without a firewall? Are you nuts?
[03:19] <K-otiK> i've used it, its ok, i'd rather do it through the term
[03:19] <K-otiK> no
[03:19] <K-otiK> im not root
[03:19] <miausX> K-otiK, try sudo nmap 127.0.0.1
[03:19] <miausX> ah! hehehehe ;D
[03:19] <thoreauputic> K-otiK: OK - had me worried for a moment there :)
[03:19] <miausX> thoreauputic, lol
[03:19] <K-otiK> in the terminal i su - root
[03:20] <miausX> uh?
[03:20] <miausX> why su - root?
[03:20] <K-otiK> so i was root and i just ran nmap -sP 192.168.1.* and it gave me that line
[03:20] <miausX> sudo -s ;)
[03:20] <K-otiK> sendto in send_tcp_raw: sendto(3, packet, 40, 0, 192.168.1.0, 16) => Operation not permitted
[03:20] <K-otiK> thats never happened, uninstalled it and installed it again still the same thing
[03:20] <miausX> hum... nmap works fine in my system
[03:21] <neighborlee> help lol...I installed another distro for testing/review on my other partition but now I can't seem to get lilo to 'find' my ubuntu system ( I edited lilo.conf and ran lilo but its erroring out: Fatal: First sector of /dev/hdb2 doesn't have a valid boot signature)...how do I fix this anyone ? ;-=)thx......
[03:21] <K-otiK> sudo nmap give me the same as before
[03:21] <miausX> Host localhost (127.0.0.1) appears to be up.
[03:21] <miausX> Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.311 seconds
[03:22] <miausX> are you in hoary K-otiK?
[03:22] <K-otiK> in what?
[03:22] <miausX> Ubuntu warty == stable, Ubuntu Hoary == unstable
[03:22] <miausX> (more or less) ;)
[03:23] <thoreauputic> K-otiK: what does  `ls -l /usr/bin/nmap` say?
[03:23] <K-otiK> root@ubuntu:~ # ls -l /usr/bin/nmap
[03:23] <K-otiK> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       371912 Aug 13 04:38 /usr/bin/nmap
[03:23] <K-otiK> root@ubuntu:~ #
[03:23] <miausX> thoreauputic, he is in warty (I think) and me too... I installed nmap right now and works fine, I think he is doing somethin wrong
[03:24] <K-otiK> im not sure what im looking for there but does that look ok?
[03:24] <thoreauputic> hmm... the perms look OK
[03:24] <thoreauputic> that's 755 which should be right
[03:25] <miausX> K-otiK, are you behind a router?
[03:25] <K-otiK> have you ever seen this happen to anybody else?
[03:25] <miausX> ... forget my last question, a router can't be the problem, sorry
[03:26] <K-otiK> when i had fc2 mynmap worked great
[03:26] <miausX> K-otiK, yep, when I was behind a firewall
[03:26] <miausX> or... when I tunned /proc to disable ICMP (you know, ping, etc)
[03:27] <|QuaD-> K-otiK: you can portscan me if you want :)
[03:27] <K-otiK> i dotn think it willwork
[03:27] <miausX> her it is --> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_*
[03:27] <miausX> here*
[03:28] <|QuaD-> K-otiK: ok :)
[03:28] <miausX> oh, work time... 3:28 am here :)
[03:28] <K-otiK> haha
[03:28] <miausX> ;D
[03:28] <miausX> brb guys :)
[03:29] <K-otiK> apt-get doesnt' have nmap fe?
[03:29] <K-otiK> weird
[03:30] <thoreauputic> K-otiK: sure it does - your repos must be wrong
[03:30] <K-otiK> i just ran update
[03:31] <thoreauputic> K-otiK: you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[03:32] <erich> Why is libgtk2.0-dev in ubuntu that big (installed size 25 MB bigger than in debian) - does it include libgtk2.0-doc?
[03:32] <K-otiK> universe i tryed to change it but i must have done somethgin wrong cus it doesn't work
[03:32] <K-otiK> nto sure what to add to the file withough screwing up
[03:34] <punkrockguy318> how can I set up the postfix mail account in evelolution?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> K-otiK:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[03:35] <erich> punkrockguy318: use localhost for delivery.
[03:35] <punkrockguy318> what about my account name and stuff?
[03:35] <erich> punkrockguy318: i hope you are aware that postfix is a MTA ("mail transfer agent") only. no pop or imap
[03:35] <punkrockguy318> yeah
[03:35] <punkrockguy318> but i can use evolution right?
[03:36] <erich> punkrockguy318: you don't need auth for localhost usually.
[03:36] <erich> i use evolution with postfix.
[03:36] <erich> for sending that is
[03:36] <K-otiK> thoreaputic aren't i already access the universE? dont' i wan to access the multi-verS?
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> erich, what do I do for sending? there's only smtp and sendmail
[03:37] <erich> punkrockguy318: both should work
[03:37] <erich> sendmail uses a wrapper named sendmail. this is installed by default by postfix and probably the fastest.
[03:37] <thoreauputic> K-otiK:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/view?searchterm=multiverse
[03:37] <erich> but you can smtp to "localhost" as well
[03:38] <K-otiK> thanks
[03:38] <thoreauputic> K-otiK: the ubuntu search function is quite useful - try it ;)
[03:39] <punkrockguy318> erich, under my LocalMail folder, it just said Loading...
[03:39] <erich> you need to configure mail recieving separately
[03:39] <erich> postfix is sending only.
[03:40] <punkrockguy318> oh
[03:40] <punkrockguy318> erich, it puts my mail into my Inbox, but it keeps coming up with a folder called "Local Mail" and its stuck on "Loading..."
[03:40] <erich> check the account settings for that.
[03:41] <punkrockguy318> alright
[03:41] <punkrockguy318> so it's just <username>@localhost right?
[03:42] <erich> what do you exactly want to do?
[03:42] <punkrockguy318> send a mail to someone else on the local machine
[03:42] <punkrockguy318> so their address would be <username>@localhost correct?
[03:43] <erich> yes.
[03:43] <erich> and it should come in via the "standard unix mail spool"
[03:43] <punkrockguy318> okay
[03:43] <Hikaru79> Hey, is jdong around? Under a different name perhaps? =/
[03:44] <erich> the local folders usually are located in your evolution directory. no idea whats wrong with them
[03:44] <punkrockguy318> erich, hmm... not everyone on my system has a postfix account... how can I hook them up with one?
[03:44] <punkrockguy318> erich, okay
[03:45] <K-otiK> can you play half-life mod's on ubuntu?
[03:46] <punkrockguy318> K-otiK, yup, with cedega
[03:46] <K-otiK> hell yea, if only i could play cs or dod, im on stalite internet
[03:46] <K-otiK> hoooorrible lag
[03:48] <erich> punkrockguy318: there are no postfix accounts
[03:48] <punkrockguy318> oh
[03:48] <erich> there is no such thing. postfix doesn't have a user management
[03:48] <punkrockguy318> erich, oh, there's just one mail spool?
[03:48] <erich> by default it will use the standard unix users.
[03:48] <punkrockguy318> oh
[03:48] <erich> you can set up several things, for example ldap directories or mysql databases.
[03:49] <punkrockguy318> because when I send a mail to becky@localhost I get an error:  Mailbox not available
[03:49] <erich> punkrockguy318: did you add a user becky yet?
[03:49] <punkrockguy318> yup
[03:49] <erich> no idea then.
[03:49] <erich> better try becky@yourhostname
[03:49] <erich> or your fqdn
[03:50] <erich> or just "becky", the mail server should complete that.
[03:50] <erich> well, i'm off
[03:50] <tolstoy> folks, i deleted my xorg.conf thinking dpkg-reconfigure would recreate it.  is there a way to get it back?
[03:50] <punkrockguy318> hmm
[03:51] <tolstoy> even aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg didn't do the trick.
[03:51] <bitserf> tolstoy: tried running 'dexconf' ?
[03:52] <tolstoy> bitserf: nope.  never heard of that.
[03:52] <bitserf> tolstoy: it should use the values from the questions you were asked about X on install, and generate a config file
[03:52] <tolstoy> bitserf: looks like it did the trick.
[03:53] <K-otiK> punkrockguy318 i could play any half-life mod?@!#$@#$
[03:53] <tolstoy> bitserf: thing things I do to get the cool drop shadows, including _finally_ moving up from a venerable matrox. ;)
[03:54] <_ubuntuniac> K-otiK, NOT EASILY !
[03:54] <scoon> look all
[03:54] <scoon> i don't want to be master of the obvious
[03:54] <bitserf> tolstoy: nvidia? i shall be returning to the nvidia camp myself, shortly...too slow on ati :)
[03:54] <scoon> but..........
[03:54] <scoon> jesus christ xp is such garbage
[03:54] <scoon> oh yeah
[03:54] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, and ur point ?
[03:55] <scoon> and i just got american IV, johnny cash rules
[03:55] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, no point.  like i said, just being master of the fucking obvious
[03:55] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, no need to swear
[03:56] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, eh ? ?
[03:56] <Hikaru79> What do you guys reccomend -- Evolution or Thunderbird? Which do you prefer?
[03:56] <wasabi> evolution.
[03:56] <scoon> Hikaru79, try them both out. I have used them both but always end up with evo
[03:57] <_ubuntuniac> thunderbird ...
[03:57] <scoon> Hikaru79, but i don't really know why.  they are both pretty damn close.
[03:57] <Hikaru79> I've been using Thunderbird up till now
[03:57] <Hikaru79> But I just tried evo for the heck of it
[03:57] <thoreauputic> sylpheed  heheh
[03:57] <scoon> Hikaru79, not thunderbird, maddog.  it is the other great drink :)
[03:57] <Hikaru79> And I'm a bit impressed, I must say
[03:58] <scoon> Hikaru79, the biggest diff between the 2 is that evo has PIM where t-bird does not.
[03:58] <Hikaru79> "pim">
[03:58] <Hikaru79> *?
[03:58] <scoon> Hikaru79, i think tbird is the "light weight" alternative.
[03:58] <Hikaru79> I see.
[03:59] <scoon> Hikaru79, Personal Info Manager
[03:59] <scoon> Hikaru79, think "palm"
[03:59] <scoon> Hikaru79, not the rosy one either.  but the palm device
[04:00] <thoreauputic> there are, however, much *lighter*  GUI mail clients like balsa and sylpheed
[04:01] <scoon> thoreauputic, that is absolutely correct.  but with how trendy mozilla stuff is now, those are easily forgotten.
[04:02] <thoreauputic> scoon: indeed. Sylpheed is a very nicely designed client - but it still uses gtk 1.2 so it isn't as pretty
[04:02] <scoon> thoreauputic, true, true.
[04:02] <scoon> anyone use beep media player over xmms ?
[04:03] <Hikaru79> When I try to remove evolution-data-server from my computer through synaptic, it threatens to destroy some pretty important-looking stuff, like gnome-menu, gnome-applets, etc. Is it not safe to remove evolution-data-server?
[04:05] <scoon> Hikaru79, well it comes with the evolution client.  so you are pretty much stuck with it.  as stated before, if you don't have PIM to deal w/ try out tbird.
[04:05] <scoon> Hikaru79, even if you do have PIM stuff you could try jpalm
[04:05] <thoreauputic> evo is pretty tightly integrated with gnome
[04:05] <Hikaru79> =/ Shucks. OK
[04:05] <Hikaru79> I can remove evolution itself just fine. But not 'evolution-data-server'
[04:05] <Hikaru79> Meh
[04:06] <scoon> Hikaru79, it only gets fired up when you start up the evo client.
[04:06] <Hikaru79> Oh, OK :)
[04:06] <Hikaru79> And it's probably not very space-intensive
[04:06] <Hikaru79> I'll deal.
[04:07] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: it deals with address book and calendar functions
[04:08] <K-otiK> is there a way i can adjust my monitors resolution through the terminal?
[04:08] <K-otiK> my laptop has unbuntu and it goes black when it gets to the user logon screen
[04:08] <K-otiK> ubunulinux.org didn't yield much
[04:11] <tux_> K-otiK, yea... sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ... something like that
[04:17] <discord> gtk+-2.0 comes with ubuntu right?
[04:17] <discord> its part of gnome and the gimp isnt it?
[04:18] <discord> im having trouble compiling gtkpod anyone want to help?
[04:18] <tolstoy> discord, have you installed the -dev packages?
[04:18] <neighborlee> during playing back of mplayer im getting: alsa-control : mixer attach /dev/mixer error: no such fileor directory ??
[04:19] <neighborlee> and when I click on stop..mplayer flat exist..it must need reinstalled LOL
[04:19] <neighborlee> exits
[04:19] <thoreauputic> discord: you almost certainly need the -dev package for gtk 2
[04:20] <thoreauputic> discord: though why you are compiling is another issue
[04:20] <discord> im compiling because their is no up to date gtkpod package
[04:21] <discord> whats wrong with compiling
[04:21] <discord> ?
[04:21] <neighborlee> I can't win tonight LOL.now i'm getting unresolveable depends with synaptic trying to reinstall mplayer ;(
[04:21] <thoreauputic> discord: nothing really - as long as it lands somewhere safe like /usr/local :)
[04:22] <thoreauputic> discord: so it doesn't confuse the packaging system
[04:22] <tolstoy> is there a way, in gnome 2.8 (or 2.8, hoary), to set icons for certain mime types?
[04:23] <neighborlee> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:23] <neighborlee>   mplayer-586: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1) but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed < what is best way to resolve this guys ?
[04:23] <neighborlee> id rather not -f it but..
[04:27] <_ubuntuniac> anyone know how to disable oss sound completely ?
[04:27] <smoki> i just downloaded and installed ubuntu but i can't start x... i made a post about it in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=35646&posted=1#post35646   it seems like other people have the same problem, any ideas??
[04:28] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, you can, but other apps that use it will now work.
[04:28] <_ubuntuniac> i don't care
[04:28] <_ubuntuniac> i can get the ones i need to work with alsa scoon
[04:28] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, do you know how ?
[04:28] <_ubuntuniac> (to disable oss)
[04:29] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, just rmmod all of the oss modules.
[04:29] <_ubuntuniac> i've done that now
[04:29] <_ubuntuniac> but i want that on reboot as well
[04:29] <Quest-Master> Who has gotten MIDI to work?
[04:29] <_ubuntuniac> don't want to do rmmod manualy
[04:30] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, then rebuild your kernel sans the oss modules
[04:30] <_ubuntuniac> tried doing that
[04:31] <_ubuntuniac> but my / is on a s/w raid0
[04:31] <scoon> and
[04:31] <_ubuntuniac> can't seem to get the kernel to NOT panic
[04:31] <scoon> what does that matter to kernel rebuild ?
[04:31] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, i get kernel panics on my rebuilds
[04:32] <_ubuntuniac> even using the same config file as the releases
[04:32] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, well then you are not doing something correctly
[04:32] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, get the source
[04:32] <diego> hey, i just did an upgrade on hoary and now i can't start xorg...there's a post in the forums...but uhh...is anyone working on this?
[04:32] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, save the .config file somewhere else
[04:32] <_ubuntuniac> diego, hoary is DEVEL
[04:32] <scoon> clean the source tree with make mrproper
[04:32] <tvon> Anyone else have busted X with the last batch of Hoary updates (few mins ago)?
[04:32] <diego> _ubuntuniac, hehe, yeah..
[04:32] <scoon> copy that .config into the source
[04:33] <diego> tvon, yep, complaining about it as we speak :)
[04:33] <smoki> i just downloaded and installed ubuntu but i can't start x... i made a post about it in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=35646&posted=1#post35646   it seems like other people have the same problem, any ideas??
[04:33] <scoon> make the config with whatever you use and then disable the oss stuff
[04:33] <smoki> oops
[04:33] <tvon> diego: ah, cool
[04:34] <Quest-Master> And who can fix my eternal-lasting gEdit problems? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7910 ;)
[04:34] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, I KNOW HOW TO RECOMPILE A KERNEL
[04:34] <diego> how do i search for a package? (no gui available)
[04:35] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, i've been using linux for 7 years
[04:35] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, well sorry, but most people seem to forget that important step
[04:35] <tvon> diego: apt-cache search
[04:35] <bam> apt-cache search <string>
[04:35] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, nice.  I have only been using since 1998.
[04:35] <diego> tvon/bam: thanks
[04:35] <bitserf> diego, tvon, *: its devel, so be patient :) i think the devs might still be on the plane back, or just getting off, so, uhm, yeah. it might be a little while :)
[04:35] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, i am not as "SMART" as you >:)
[04:35] <neighborlee> how do I fix apt-get not working due to : The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:35] <neighborlee>   mplayer-586: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1) but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed.
[04:36] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, do you know how i can to warty if i've done some upgrades to hoary ?
[04:36] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, contrary to poplular belief xchat does not give me "years of use" stats on everyone in this god damn room
[04:36] <_ubuntuniac> downgrade*
[04:36] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, if it were me i would restore the repos and try to re-install those changes that I made
[04:37] <_ubuntuniac> with aptitude reinstall ?
[04:37] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, i haven't messed w/ hoary.  after 18 painfull months of emerge addiction, I have gotten back into stable linux and writing code.
[04:37] <diego> bitserf, well, i have no problems now...gpm support with elinks rockx0rs!!
[04:37] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, there are posts in the forums by peeps that have tried it.
[04:37] <_ubuntuniac> gentoo ?
[04:38] <_ubuntuniac> i think i might actually install gentoo scoon !
[04:38] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, good luck.  I ran it for 18months.
[04:38] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, what you think ?
[04:38] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, it was nice.  emerge is cool.  but not so stable.
[04:39] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, that is why i am here.  If you really want to learn anything then i'd do something like lfs
[04:39] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, the thing with gentoo is it's as stable as you make it !
[04:39] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, bull shit.
[04:39] <neighborlee> no way is gentoo stable
[04:39] <_ubuntuniac> gentoo release are quite stable
[04:39] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, it is constantly changing.  I spent more time emerging than doing anything else.
[04:39] <_ubuntuniac> but NO one is running release !
[04:40] <neighborlee> I know i've tried and seen TONS of portage problems on the forums < fact <<
[04:40] <scoon> but then I was addicted to portage.
[04:41] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, what makes you think you want to run that ?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> ubuntu seems to  have become the refuge for recovering gentoo users ;)
[04:41] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, what do you seem to be missing w/ ubuntu
[04:41] <_ubuntuniac> gnome 2.9 !
[04:41] <_ubuntuniac> :P
[04:41] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, yawn
[04:41] <diego> is there a way to change my tty "resolution" without rebooting?
[04:41] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, you know you love it
[04:41] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, ever hear of jhbuild, or garnome
[04:42] <_ubuntuniac> when i start using linux eyecandy was something you had to ignore
[04:42] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, nope (looking them up)
[04:42] <thoreauputic> diego: setterm probably - haven't tried it but it does most tty stuff
[04:42] <diego> thoreauputic, k, i'll look around and let you know
[04:42] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, well there is your CVS gnome that you MUST have.
[04:42] <calc> hoary has gnome 2.9
[04:43] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, install them locally and use ~/.xsession to get them to work.
[04:43] <_ubuntuniac> calc, hoary is in a state !
[04:43] <scoon> easy as anything
[04:43] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, that's not a proper install in my opinion
[04:43] <thoreauputic> diego: also does useful stuff like turning off kernel messages and setting blank time
[04:43] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, proper install ?
[04:43] <scoon> wtf
[04:43] <_ubuntuniac> i want gnome to be part of my distro scoon
[04:43] <scoon> first thing gnome 2.9 is dev code
[04:43] <_ubuntuniac> yes
[04:43] <scoon> why install it globally and fuck up your box.
[04:44] <scoon> i have xfce installed that way
[04:44] <scoon> so it doesn't screw anything else up.
[04:44] <diego> thoreauputic, i don't see anything about changing res in man page
[04:44] <scoon> but hey
[04:44] <scoon> i haven't been doing this as long as you have.
[04:44] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, you've got a point
[04:45] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, you wanna have fun
[04:45] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, how would you go about installing stuff "locally?" with --prefix=/home/xx/usr/gnome2 ?
[04:45] <scoon> why not remaster a live cd and put in it what you want
[04:45] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, yes
[04:45] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, check out configure --help
[04:45] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, it really really works
[04:45] <thoreauputic> diego:  more likely it can change number of lines and that kind of thing - as I say, I haven't read thre man - I just use it to set the blank time mostly
[04:45] <K-otiK> when is easter?
[04:45] <_ubuntuniac> scizzo, i know "configure --help"
[04:45] <thoreauputic> *the
[04:45] <nictuku> --prefix=/usr/local/ is better, isn't it?
[04:45] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, ^^
[04:45] <_ubuntuniac> nictuku, shhh ...
[04:46] <nictuku> hehe
[04:46] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, what is better ?
[04:46] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, i know "configure --help"
[04:46] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, why install dev code globally
[04:46] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, you think i'm an idiot
[04:46] <scoon> for example
[04:46] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, no, if i did i would say so.
[04:46] <_ubuntuniac> _ubuntuniac scoon, you've got a point <<
[04:46] <scoon> have i said that yet
[04:47] <_ubuntuniac> so i AGREE with you NOW !?!
[04:47] <_ubuntuniac> so stop argueing with me ?
[04:47] <discord> anyone know why im not alowed to change ownership of the ipod directory i made in /mnt
[04:47] <scoon> huh ?
[04:47] <nictuku> discord, are you root?
[04:47] <_ubuntuniac> still thinking about gentoo though
[04:47] <discord> yeah
[04:47] <discord> oh
[04:48] <discord> its cause its mounted
[04:48] <discord> sorry
[04:48] <nictuku> what is this ipod directory?
[04:48] <nictuku> ah ok
[04:48] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, gonna go check out gentoo's status on ATI drivers
[04:48] <scoon> ati :(
[04:48] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, hell yeah !
[04:48] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, eek.
[04:49] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, bought my ati 9800XT and now it's a FigeGL X2 !
[04:49] <_ubuntuniac> that's value for money
[04:49] <_ubuntuniac> slow in releasing drivers but they will sooner or later
[04:49] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, and a barely supported card w/ linux
[04:49] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, don't hold your breath.
[04:49] <punkrockguy318> eh i've had bad luck w/ ati
[04:49] <_ubuntuniac> scoon, they're just waiting for intel to release their 32/64bi chip
[04:49] <scoon> but enough of this, it is my own politics.
[04:50] <diego> _ubuntuniac, installing gentoo is a good learning experience but running it (with updates) is ri-gosh-darn-diculous...i recently switched from gentoo to ubuntu because of it
[04:50] <scoon> whatevs
[04:50] <_ubuntuniac> ati fireglx works fine in linus
[04:50] <_ubuntuniac> linux*
[04:50] <_ubuntuniac> with binary drivers
[04:50] <scoon> diego, ubuntu is by far the most stable distro i have run to date.
[04:50] <scoon> and for me gentoo didn't really teach me much.
[04:50] <diego> scoon: i had no stability issues on gentoo
[04:50] <scoon> emerge'ing != compiling from scratch
[04:51] <scoon> i did
[04:51] <scoon> all the time.
[04:51] <diego> scoon, well gentoo was my first distro so i learned quite a bit
[04:51] <scoon> but i was ~x86
[04:51] <scoon> i burnt mine
[04:51] <_ubuntuniac> gentoo is 100% more hands on than ubuntu
[04:51] <diego> i was selectively ~x86 but mostly x86
[04:51] <_ubuntuniac> what are yo talking about scoon !
[04:52] <scoon> _ubuntuniac, i am typing w/ diego
[04:52] <scoon> oh wait
[04:52] <scoon> i burnt mine fingers on an antenna that had a super duper rock of crack in it
[04:52] <scoon> damn addictions
[04:52] <scoon> first emerge
[04:52] <scoon> then rocks
[04:52] <scoon> god life sux
[04:52] <diego> noobasaurus rex?
[04:53] <diego> haha what an asshat
[04:53] <scoon> me ?
[04:53] <scoon> wtf did i do
[04:53] <diego> no _ubuuntuniac
[04:53] <nictuku> lol
[04:54] <scoon> oh
[04:54] <scoon> sorry peoples
[04:54] <scoon> i have been up drinking some bourbon for a bit
[04:54] <scoon> just bored
[04:54] <scoon> all right
[04:54] <scoon> i am not really sorry
[04:54] <TongMaster> Anyone here tried to install Ubuntu on a system with a PERC 4e/DC raid controller?
[04:56] <discord> promise raid controllers were not fun for me
[04:58] <discord> TongMaster: is it software or hardware raid
[05:00] <s0cks> scoon : Asshat to the max. Jack and coke smooths that over no end.
[05:00] <scoon> s0cks, i just drink knob creek w/ 3 ice cubes
[05:00] <scoon> s0cks, but yes, jack and coke is quite tasty
[05:01] <s0cks> Rum and coke blends together better for some reason, but I am out of rum.
[05:02] <scoon> s0cks, doh
[05:02] <TongMaster> discord, hardware
[05:02] <scoon> that is never good
[05:03] <s0cks> scoon : President : Appearantly, my cabinet is empty (george bush problem) and needs restaffing. (translation, liquor cabinet)(My problem, restock tommorow)
[05:04] <discord> true hardware raid is supposed to appear as one disk to the computer are you sure that it is not software raid?
[05:04] <scoon> s0cks, it is always very important to have a plan B installed
[05:05] <scoon> s0cks, either buy way to much liquor or keep a spare flask
[05:05] <discord> scoon,  you have plan b installed?
[05:05] <s0cks> lol.
[05:05] <discord> or is it plan9
[05:05] <s0cks> Im on my last fifth of jack
[05:06] <discord> are you using a dell TongMaster
[05:06] <discord> maybe here
[05:06] <discord> http://linux.dell.com/storage.shtml
[05:06] <scoon> s0cks, you know a stripper turned me onto jack and cokes years ago
[05:07] <scoon> s0cks, as time wore on i got more and more pissed off and kept using less and less coke
[05:07] <scoon> s0cks, so now i am just at 3 ice cubes and whiskey
[05:07] <regeya> I always pop in at the most interesting times
[05:08] <regeya> oh as in coca cola...right?
[05:08] <s0cks> lol
[05:08] <scoon> yes
[05:08] <s0cks> Jack and coke has always been my favorite
[05:08] <s0cks> But rum and coke is my other hard liquor drink.
[05:08] <scoon> s0cks, try drinking w/ strippers.
[05:08] <s0cks> lol
[05:08] <s0cks> I don't want the clap
[05:08] <scoon> s0cks, they loose their appeal as well
[05:08] <regeya> I'm going to talk to Mr. Beam in a moment
[05:08] <scoon> i just said drink w/ thim
[05:09] <s0cks> lol
[05:09] <scoon> nada else
[05:09] <s0cks> I don't trust my self wasted
[05:09] <scoon> but lucky for me double bagging always helped
[05:10] <gpled> i have added apm to /etc/modules in hope that it will power off my computer at shutdown.
[05:11] <regeya> bravo.
[05:11] <gpled> i their a fast and easy way to tell linux to reload all the modules listed in /etc/modules?
[05:11] <gpled> is
[05:12] <diego> gpled: just modprobe apm...
[05:12] <diego> maybe rmmod acpi stuff
[05:12] <bitserf> gpled: grep -v ^# /etc/modules | xargs modprobe
[05:12] <bitserf> :P
[05:13] <regeya> heh
[05:13] <TongMaster> thanks, discord.
[05:14] <bitserf> gpled: though i can do a clean shutdown just by hitting the power button and walking away...acpi i think
[05:16] <discord> anyone help me with my fstab ?
[05:17] <gpled> bitserf: that a cool grep. going to have to start using that xargs :)
[05:18] <gpled> FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): Operation not permitted
[05:18] <bitserf> gpled: add a sudo just before xargs, you have to be root
[05:19] <gpled> hmm, that strange. that a piping problem?  i did #sudo grep -v ^# /etc/modules | xargs modprobe
[05:20] <bitserf> gpled: you're doing the grep as root, not the xargs...thats how pipelines work...the second bit in the pipeline as forked as yourself
[05:21] <discord> http://www.pastebin.com/131151 there is my fstab file and what i was told to do underneath it
[05:23] <bitserf> discord: the correct way to fix that is to use HAL's preferences.fdi
[05:24] <discord> woot
[05:24] <errr> how do I get syntax highlighting in vim? (Ive never had to do anything speical before to get it)
[05:24] <discord> i got it
[05:24] <discord> thanks
[05:24] <crimsun> errr: :syn on
[05:24] <errr> ah ok
[05:24] <errr> ty
[05:25] <crimsun> errr: you may also use ~/.vimrc with this line: syntax enable
[05:25] <discord> now to find some mp3's
[05:25] <discord> :] 
[05:25] <bitserf> discord: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RG9wHi57.txt <-- put this in /etc/hal/preferences.fdi, and you'll magically get your iPod labeled as "iPod" as well :)
[05:25] <EFS> you may also want to add 'set bg=light' as the default ubuntu terminal has a white bg and vim setting defaults to dark.
[05:25] <bitserf> woops, /etc/hal/fdi/preferences.fdi, that is
[05:25] <tvon> is there a repository of old ubuntu packages anywheres?
[05:25] <tvon> I think debian has something along those line
[05:25] <tvon> s
[05:25] <EFS> 'set bg=light' makes the highlights a bit more readable.
[05:26] <crimsun> tvon: as in archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:26] <discord> why do i want to do that?
[05:26] <discord> bitserf, do you have an ipod
[05:26] <errr> crimsun: thanks that was driving me crazy :)
[05:26] <tvon> crimsun: Isn't that the normal repository?
[05:26] <discord> bitserf, are you using gtkpod?
[05:26] <bitserf> discord: yes, i do
[05:26] <calc> vim defaults to light
[05:26] <bitserf> discord: yep.
[05:27] <discord> do you get the message about the sorting bug when you start gtkpod?
[05:27] <calc> but thanks for mentioning that i haven't looked into how to make it brighter
[05:27] <calc> so now setting it to bg=dark makes it brighter :)
[05:27] <crimsun> silly kde defector =P
[05:27] <bitserf> discord: yep, something about not being able to use extended information?
[05:27] <calc> crimsun: :P
[05:27] <discord> bitserf, i got that and something else also
[05:28] <discord> bitserf: Cannot unsort track view because of a bug in the GTK lib you are using (2.4.10 < 2.5.4). Once you sort the track view, you cannot go back to the unsorted state.
[05:28] <EFS> oops, you are right, mine is dark due to an old vimrc file ... sorry for the confusion.
[05:28] <bitserf> discord: ahh, i didn't get that because i'm running hoary, which has GTK 2.5.6
[05:28] <crimsun> 2.6.0, actually.
[05:29] <bitserf> crimsun: right, that slipped through unnoticed
[05:29] <discord> does it matter much about that does it change the order of mp3's or anything?
[05:29] <crimsun> thank $deity for apt-listchanges :)
[05:30] <tvon> diego: did you come up with any solutions to the X issue?
[05:30] <neighborlee> how do I enable GUI mode in mplayer ? ;-)
[05:30] <crimsun> neighborlee: use gmplayer
[05:31] <tvon> poking around for the previous packages...sadly I just cleaned them up
[05:31] <neighborlee> crimsun, its not in universe or multiverse
[05:31] <crimsun> erm, it's included as part of mplayer
[05:32] <neighborlee> its not loading mplayer gui though
[05:32] <calc> crimsun: ssh its supposed to be a secret ;)
[05:32] <crimsun> calc: oops ;)
[05:32] <crimsun> neighborlee: are you following gmplayer's syntax?
[05:32] <crimsun> neighborlee: you have to specify a skin
[05:32] <neighborlee> this is retarded
[05:33] <crimsun> for instance, I have this alias: mp='gmplayer -skin proton '
[05:33] <neighborlee> well i'm running it from my multimedia menu but illl try that
[05:34] <neighborlee> why did they remove mplayer-586 ?
[05:35] <crimsun> they...didn't?
[05:35] <neighborlee> mine was working but I opted to remove it because it kept flashing this dialogue showing error regarding alsa-control..went to reinstall it and bam I got tons of dependnecy errors..then I saw on forum that its now in multiverse
[05:36] <crimsun> available from both ubuntu hoary's 'multiverse' and from debian-marillat
[05:36] <neighborlee> yes but I kept getting dependency errors both in terminao and synaptic
[05:36] <crimsun> what sort of dependency errors? use #flood or pastebin as necessary
[05:37] <neighborlee> so I had to choose to install mplayer-custom as mentined on ubuntu forums..I 'm just wondering why mplayer-586 was causing errors
[05:37] <neighborlee> ok flood it is
[05:37] <|Arioch|> Could someone answer a quick question for me.  I need to exit out of X so that I can install Nvidia drivers.  Ctrl Alt Backspace just takes me to the login screen.  How can I exit to just a console?
[05:37] <trans_err> i have a 40gb maxtor that won't work anymore... it simply produces a high pitch whine and doesn't do anything else.... does anyone have any suggestions-- I really need some recent (and not backed up) info off of this thing
[05:37] <tvon> |Arioch|: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:38] <|Arioch|> Thank you so much.
[05:38] <tvon> |Arioch|: from a console
[05:38] <tvon> np
[05:38] <calc> trans_err: if nothing can access it, you can pay large sums to data recovery companies to do it
[05:38] <scoon> trans_err, it sounds really afu.
[05:38] <crimsun> neighborlee: looks like your apt sources are fubar
[05:39] <trans_err> afu?
[05:39] <scoon> trans_err, why not give knoppix a try and fsck it
[05:39] <gpled> be right back.  going to test my new apm :)
[05:39] <scoon> trans_err, All Fucked Up
[05:39] <neighborlee> crimsun, Ihaven't changed anything and I did apt-get update  and got no errors
[05:39] <trans_err> dammit- this can't happen
[05:39] <trans_err> dammit- i need a real pc to check this thing out
[05:40] <calc> trans_err: at least you'll have backups the next time this happens
[05:40] <trans_err> calc: that's what i said years ago when this happened
[05:40] <calc> hahaha
[05:40] <neighborlee> crimsun, im' using marilat so I dont see how..
[05:40] <calc> hit your end against a wall a few more times ;)
[05:40] <crimsun> neighborlee: are you pinning or anything?
[05:40] <trans_err> i want to go shoot a maxtor exec
[05:40] <neighborlee> crimsun, nope
[05:40] <calc> er s/end/head/
[05:41] <calc> all rotating objects eventually stop
[05:41] <neighborlee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&page=3&pp=10 < user 'lean' at this url also had similar errors it seems...
[05:42] <calc> thats why i try to avoid buying hardware that uses fans ;)
[05:42] <dee> help
[05:42] <dee> i need to be able to install stuff
[05:42] <dee> but cant
[05:42] <dee> rthere is no gcc or cc
[05:43] <scoon> trans_err, fire up knoppix or some other live cd and use fsck on the drive
[05:43] <tolstoy> hm. the composite extension in X.  just a tad flakey?  or is it the nvidia drives + 2.6.9?
[05:44] <bitserf> arghhhh. dpkg-buildpackage complains that you need to run it with fakeroot after completing the build. sucky if you're building X :)
[05:45] <dee> ?
[05:45] <calc> bitserf: running fakeroot debian/rules binary will probably pickup the build
[05:46] <calc> i think there may be a way with dpkg-buildpackage as well, but i'm eating so someone else can look it up ;)
[05:46] <bitserf> calc: too late, i accidentally ran a fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage after it, and first thing it does is whack the build tree :)
[05:46] <calc> yep
[05:47] <dee> pleas ehelp!!!!
[05:47] <calc> dee: apt-get install gcc
[05:47] <calc> but on my system it was automatically installed not sure why it wasn't on yours
[05:48] <mattw> it was not on mine either, but easy enough to install maybe it is different on different arches
[05:48] <dee> like
[05:48] <dee> i think it was b cuz i diddnt wanna have to w8 an hour for the live software updates
[05:48] <calc> maybe it got installed when i ran dselect since it installs standard
[05:49] <mattw> I selected to install the packages online during the second step and still didn't have gcc though
[05:49] <mattw> others having troubles with xorg 6.8.1-1ubuntu7 ?
[05:49] <crimsun> mattw: core modules don't load due to dlopen/elf loader changes.
[05:50] <crimsun> will be resolved in a bit
[05:50] <mattw> thanks, figured it had been answered plenty of times but I missed it
[05:50] <dee> wow
[05:50] <dee> apt-get install gcc
[05:51] <dee> calc,  look in ur PM
[05:58] <|Arioch|> Ok, I'm trying to install Nvidia drivers... I'm a bit of a noob.  It's trying to find the kernel sources, which I've installed via synaptic, but I don't know how to point the installer to the sources.  Any ideas?
[05:59] <crimsun> |Arioch|: enable 'restricted' repo, then apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[05:59] <crimsun> (presuming you're using a Ubuntu-provided kernel)
[06:00] <|Arioch|> LOL... did you catch that part about me being a noob?  ;)
[06:00] <|Arioch|> How do I enable restricted repo?
[06:00] <|Arioch|> In Synaptic's repo?
[06:01] <crimsun> yep
[06:02] <|Arioch|> I don't see a "restricted" in the list.
[06:03] <crimsun> in Settings>Repositories?
[06:03] <crimsun> (I don't have Synaptic open atm)
[06:03] <|Arioch|> That is where I'm at.  I have two that are not selected.
[06:03] <Gwildor> |Arioch|, enable them all, except for the top one, disable that
[06:03] <|Arioch|> ok
[06:03] <Gwildor> :)
[06:05] <|Arioch|> Ok, now for the second part... what do I apt-get?
[06:05] <Gwildor> for?
[06:05] <Gwildor> |Arioch|: enable 'restricted' repo, then apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[06:05] <|Arioch|> I'm trying to install Nvidia drivers.
[06:06] <Gwildor> |Arioch|: enable 'restricted' repo, then apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[06:06] <Gwildor> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[06:07] <cef> lo MacPlusG3
[06:07] <MacPlusG3> cef: good afternoon
[06:07] <|Arioch|> It came back saying that "linux-restricted-modules..." is already the newest version.
[06:09] <Gwildor> crimsun, i guess pick up where you left off with |Arioch|, cuz i use ATI
[06:09] <crimsun> |Arioch|: so it's already installed.
[06:10] <|Arioch|> Yes
[06:10] <crimsun> |Arioch|: why are you attempting to compile the Nvidia drivers?
[06:10] <|Arioch|> I wanted to install Nvida drivers but the installer needs to compile them for the Ubuntu kernel I guess.
[06:11] <crimsun> |Arioch|: linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` contains the Nvidia driver.
[06:11] <|Arioch|> I have a 17inch widescreen laptop with a resolution of 1440x900.  I have the modeline but I just wanted to install the drivers first.
[06:11] <|Arioch|> It does...
[06:11] <crimsun> yep, it does.
[06:12] <|Arioch|> How do I install them then?  I downloaded the driver from Nvidia's site.
[06:12] <crimsun> |Arioch|: you don't need to install or compile anything. It has already been done for you.
[06:12] <dee> ok i did synaptic and it says,,, could not lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open 11
[06:13] <|Arioch|> ...ok.  Let me add the modeline and reboot then.
[06:13] <crimsun> dee: do you have an instance of dpkg or apt-get already running?
[06:13] <cef> crimsun: he needs the other half of the nvidia driver (nvidia-glx) if he wants to use it
[06:13] <crimsun> |Arioch|: no need to reboot
[06:13] <crimsun> cef: correct
[06:13] <|Arioch|> I'm still here.
[06:13] <dee> crimsun, how do i chack
[06:14] <crimsun> dee: pgrep dpkg
[06:14] <crimsun> |Arioch|: as cef mentioned, make sure you have nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx installed as well
[06:14] <dee> it just went down a line
[06:14] <cef> there is a howto on the wiki about this, isn't there?
[06:14] <|Arioch|> crimsun, ok
[06:15] <cef> damn the ubuntu mirrors are slow for me.. *sigh*
[06:16] <|QuaD-> cef: where you located
[06:16] <|QuaD-> does anyone use the zeroconf (apple rendezvous) protocol?
[06:16] <cef> |QuaD-: melbourne, australia
[06:17] <dee> crimsun it just went down a line
[06:17] <|QuaD-> cef: can't help you there :)
[06:17] <crimsun> dee: so you don't have dpkg running
[06:17] <cef> |QuaD-: and I'm on Optus (cable ISP).. they're supposed to be looking at an ubuntu mirror at some stage.. *ho hum*
[06:17] <crimsun> did you run `sudo synaptic'?
[06:17] <|QuaD-> cef: :)
[06:17] <dee> anyone know any good books to get me started learning the basics???
[06:17] <crimsun> dee: ...of?
[06:18] <|QuaD-> dee: i like o'reilly running linux
[06:18] <|QuaD-> i used that to learn
[06:18] <cef> |QuaD-: annoying that I am getting 25kB/sec when the service is capable of 600kB/sec
[06:18] <dee> ok i did sudo synaptic and i got me.... "could not get locl ver/lib......./dpkg/locl open (11 resource temp unaviable)
[06:18] <dee> yea
[06:18] <dee> but thats a HUGE book
[06:19] <|QuaD-> cef: i would be upset
[06:19] <|QuaD-> dee: its worth every penny
[06:19] <kleedrac> What do I need to apt-get for configure: error: *** SDL_image lib not found! Get SDL_image
[06:19] <bitserf> cef: school holidays innit? all the kiddies on BT :|
[06:19] <crimsun> kleedrac: if you have the 'universe' repo, libsdl-image1.2-dev
[06:20] <cef> bitserf: possibly.. *sigh* weekend as well so yeah.. even worse than normal
[06:22] <dee> alll
[06:23] <dee> crimsun, forgot about me :(
[06:23] <crimsun> dee: try rebooting then running the command.
[06:24] <dee> ok mate
[06:24] <dee> brb
[06:33] <dee> hurray
[06:37] <tvon|x31> anyone know some packages with perdy fonts?
[06:37] <crimsun> there is quite a selection of ttf fonts
[06:37] <tvon|x31> I used to have a ton of perdy ones, all the ones I'm installing seem to not be them...
[06:37] <crimsun> apt-cache search ttf-
[06:37] <jeffbax> hello, I'm wondering if anyon would like to help me get my ATi drivers working :)
[06:38] <kleedrac> Is there any way to get older versions of "Battle of Wesnoth" from the repositories?
[06:38] <tvon|x31> Debian has some wicked historical repository with everything from the beginning of time (or thereabouts)
[06:38] <crimsun> [snapshot.debian.net] 
[06:38] <tvon|x31> ah, yes
[06:40] <jeffbax> can anyone help explain this to me
[06:40] <jeffbax> jeff@jeffbax:~ $ glxgears
[06:40] <jeffbax> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:40] <jeffbax> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[06:40] <jeffbax> jeff@jeffbax:~ $
[06:41] <crimsun> you're not loading the dri extension according to glxgears
[06:41] <jeffbax> is there somewhere that will explain how to fix that
[06:41] <crimsun> are you loading dri in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
[06:42] <speel> what would cause X to restart while playing a game
[06:42] <xhaker> hi i really need some help installing Warty. seen many people with the same problem
[06:42] <jeffbax> crimsun, I'm following - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=ati%20driver
[06:42] <xhaker> the partitions dont show up at the partition screen
[06:42] <jeffbax> I'm very new to Ubuntu and Linux
[06:42] <jeffbax> so I'm not exactly sure what you mean :)
[06:43] <jeffbax> I updated my kernel, then apt'd fglx-driver
[06:43] <jeffbax> and then i reconfigured my xserver to use fglrx instead of ati
[06:43] <cef> jeffbax: have you restarted X since then?
[06:43] <jeffbax> I reboot
[06:43] <cef> ahh ok
[06:44] <jeffbax> er
[06:44] <jeffbax> wait
[06:44] <jeffbax> I didn't reboot since reconfguring my xserver
[06:44] <cef> aha!
[06:44] <jeffbax> only when I updated my kernel and installed the driver
[06:44] <jeffbax> how do I restart the x server?
[06:44] <cef> it's half-configured then
[06:44] <speel> you dont have to reboot lol just hit alt ctrl backspace
[06:44] <jeffbax> what does alt ctrl backspace do
[06:44] <jeffbax> before i press it
[06:44] <jeffbax> and potentially lose this chat window :)
[06:45] <cef> like speel said: but you'll lose the current session.
[06:45] <jeffbax> how do i restart
[06:45] <jeffbax> x
[06:45] <jeffbax> and gnome
[06:45] <cef> ctrl-alt-backspace kills the current Xserver and auto-restarts it
[06:45] <jeffbax> ah
[06:45] <jeffbax> alright
[06:45] <speel> it restarts x and if the login screen dosent come up it should ask you for a login and once you put in ur login info type startx well thats only if the login screen dosent come up
[06:45] <cef> it'll log you out though
[06:45] <jeffbax> be back in a jiffy.. hopefully :)
[06:46] <jeffbax> ok, i'm back
[06:46] <speel> wb
[06:46] <xhaker> any help on that partioning problem?
[06:46] <jeffbax> and glxgears goes pretty quickly
[06:46] <jeffbax> but it doesn't report the framerate
[06:46] <jeffbax> like it did when my friend helped me set up ati drivers under debian
[06:47] <speel> do you really need it?
[06:48] <jeffbax> well, i'd just like to see that its really high
[06:48] <jeffbax> kid of reassuring :)
[06:48] <bitserf> starting up an opengl game will be all the benchmarking you really need :)
[06:48] <jeffbax> hah, well installing a game is a whole nother ballgame
[06:48] <speel> lol
[06:49] <jeffbax> so far, my linux experiences have been pretty ... difficult :) Fedora Core 1 was slow and not very fun, Core 2 ate my boot record and I couldn't get into Windows, Debian was ok, but I was having a lot of issues because it was only a slim install.  Now I'm tryin Ubuntu :)
[06:50] <speel> nice :) i used to be in that situation
[06:51] <jeffbax> i have a question
[06:51] <speel> fedora needs to just go home with that crap
[06:51] <jeffbax> is there a way for me to share my GAIM and Mozilla settings / bookmarks / logs / accounts between linux and windows
[06:51] <jeffbax> so I don't have to have two separate instances and redo my whole contact list again
[06:52] <xhaker> maybe maiking a vfat partition?
[06:52] <speel> hmm not to sure i mean it may be possible if you grab the seetings you want from your windows partion but im not to sure
[06:53] <jeffbax> another thing, if I have my ATi drivers installed correctly, should I be seeing window drag?
[06:53] <diego> xhaker, i don't think vfat supports permissions, which makes shit complain
[06:53] <speel> window drag?
[06:53] <jeffbax> you know
[06:53] <jeffbax> say you drag a window
[06:53] <jeffbax> and you see the window repeat a little
[06:53] <jeffbax> on the edge
[06:54] <jeffbax> until it is settled in a position
[06:54] <xhaker> like if it is a SFX
[06:54] <xhaker> lol
[06:54] <speel> ah yea hmm mine does it a little but not alot but i dont think that has a effect on your ati
[06:54] <speel> i think its just gnome
[06:55] <jeffbax> maybe
[06:55] <jeffbax> under debian
[06:55] <jeffbax> i had XFCE
[06:55] <xhaker> im still thinking if ubuntu is worth the hassle
[06:55] <jeffbax> didn't notice it much
[06:55] <jeffbax> so far I like ubuntu compared to Fedora :)
[06:55] <jeffbax> its just set up nicely by default
[06:55] <speel> ubuntu is a BREEEZE compared to fedora
[06:55] <jeffbax> though there are some things i'd like to change
[06:55] <Se7h> liboglft0 <- cant find this dam thing
[06:56] <jeffbax> is there a way to make windows lock on each other like in XFCE ?
[06:56] <xhaker> i use fedora on my server and i'm quite happy with it.. tho i've only seen the bash shell
[06:56] <xhaker> lol
[06:56] <calc> jeffbax: edge snapping?
[06:56] <tvon|x31> jeffbax: in mity?
[06:56] <jeffbax> yes!
[06:56] <tvon|x31> er, mcity
[06:56] <jeffbax> edge snapping calc :)
[06:56] <calc> jeffbax: hold shift
[06:56] <tvon|x31> hold down shift when moving
[06:56] <speel> lol i think any distro is good with just the shell
[06:56] <jeffbax> wow!
[06:56] <jeffbax> hah
[06:56] <jeffbax> awesome
[06:56] <jeffbax> thanks a lot :)
[06:57] <xhaker> so anyone here knows what i'm talking about? warty boot cd not detecting partitions?
[06:57] <|QuaD|> any python experts here?
[06:57] <spikeb> not i
[06:57] <calc> xhaker: does it see your drive at all?
[06:57] <xhaker> calc thats the problem.. it sees it all
[06:58] <xhaker> and wants it all
[06:58] <xhaker> lol
[06:58] <diego> |QuaD|, #python
[06:58] <calc> heh
[06:58] <|QuaD|> diego: :)
[06:58] <xhaker> calc cant afford to lose my stuff
[06:58] <xhaker> lol
[06:58] <speel> hey has anyone got .wmv files to work?
[06:58] <xhaker> speel shouldnt mplayer read them?
[06:59] <speel> possibly but i rather use totem
[06:59] <xhaker> hmm.. i saw libavcodec with wmv support
[07:00] <spikeb> ok
[07:00] <spikeb> speel: you need totem-xine and the win32codecs
[07:00] <xhaker> hehe
[07:00] <xhaker> that
[07:00] <xhaker> :P
[07:01] <siimo> any help for installing nvidia
[07:01] <speel> ah what kinda help
[07:01] <speel> o and thanks spikeb
[07:01] <trans_err> read the binary howto on ubuntu's wiki
[07:02] <spikeb> you're welcome
[07:02] <speel> siimo: http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/#installnvidiadriver
[07:02] <jeffbax> siimo, go here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=ati%20driver
[07:02] <siimo> thanks
[07:03] <bitserf> people who have problems with the latest Xorg, but want to use the rest of -6.8.1-1ubuntu7: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=35684&posted=1#post35684
[07:04] <jeffbax> if installing packages is really easy, how do you uninstall them?
[07:04] <jeffbax> i want to remove open office
[07:04] <jeffbax> and get abiword
[07:04] <spikeb> same way you install them
[07:04] <spikeb> either synaptic or apt-get, using remove instead of install
[07:05] <jeffbax> when i do
[07:05] <jeffbax> apt-get remove openoffice.org
[07:05] <jeffbax> it lists "ubuntu-desktop" in one of the files removed
[07:05] <diego> bitserf, cool. i plan on falling asleep before the compile is done though so i'll hold out i guess
[07:05] <spikeb> jeffbax: thats ok
[07:05] <speel> o and jeff if you plan on to compile your own stuff do apt-get install essential*
[07:06] <jeffbax> is essential make and gcc?
[07:06] <speel> yea it includes all that good stuff
[07:06] <jeffbax> getting it now
[07:08] <spikeb> i thought it was build-essential
[07:08] <speel> hmm ah well i always use essential*
[07:09] <Bandit> dumb question
[07:09] <Bandit> how do i get an acceptab;e c compiler
[07:09] <Bandit> acceptable
[07:10] <spikeb> apt-get install gcc
[07:10] <Bandit> thanks
[07:10] <jeffbax> how do i get firefox 1.0 on this
[07:10] <jeffbax> instead of .93
[07:11] <spikeb> jeffbax: either use the package from unstable, or get the installer from mozilla.org
[07:11] <spikeb> i wouldn't.
[07:11] <speel> i think ud have to install it your self unless some one knows a repo that has it or get the unstable reop but i dont suggest that
[07:11] <ajmitch_> the repository is in the wiki
[07:11] <Bandit> grr now how about glib
[07:11] <Bandit> sorry i am such a dumb ass
[07:12] <speel> bandit do apt-get install essential*
[07:12] <ajmitch_> just take a look for firefox on there & you should come across it
[07:12] <Bandit> ok thankyou
[07:12] <speel> np
[07:13] <Bandit> still doesnt work
[07:13] <Bandit> glib not installed
[07:13] <jeffbax> woa guys
[07:13] <spikeb> you nee glib-devel if you're trying to compile something
[07:13] <jeffbax> i just went to play tuxracer
[07:13] <jeffbax> and there are huge graphical problems
[07:14] <speel> essential* should include everything
[07:14] <jeffbax> it runs fast, but the whole screen is clipping :(
[07:14] <Se7h> liboglft0
[07:14] <jeffbax> like mad!
[07:14] <Se7h> does anyone knows where i can get it ?
[07:14] <trans_err> jeffbax: i'm having the same problem
[07:14] <alka_trash> hell
[07:14] <alka_trash> hello
[07:14] <jeffbax> trans_err: any ideas?
[07:15] <trans_err> jeffbax: none, just wanted to join the club
[07:15] <alka_trash> nice, I made it to the ubuntu channel
[07:15] <alka_trash> I upgrade my hoary today and now I can't get into xorg, some bitmap error
[07:16] <spikeb> ahh the bennies of running unstable
[07:16] <alka_trash> I hope that it's just some bad updates and a new update will fix it
[07:17] <alka_trash> anyone else update today?
[07:17] <alka_trash> I have to admit, the text mode irc client is pretty cool
[07:18] <tvon|x31> xorg is trashed with todays update...you need to install xserver-xfree86 for the time being
[07:18] <Se7h> i nedd liboglft0
[07:18] <Se7h> :|
[07:18] <alka_trash> okay, I'm glad that it's not just me
[07:18] <bitserf> tvon: not necessarily. the previous xorg packages are still on archive.ubuntulinux.org
[07:18] <cef> *sigh* why is it that I always choose the wrong day to update from warty to hoary.. *sigh*
[07:19] <alka_trash> I can tough it out, I bet it will only be a couple of days
[07:19] <alka_trash> until working updates
[07:19] <jeffbax> well its time for sleep
[07:19] <jeffbax> thanks for all the help :)
[07:20] <alka_trash> the joys of command line
[07:20] <alka_trash> links2, irssi, nano
[07:21] <diego> alka_trash, elinks, naim, and vim :D
[07:21] <alka_trash> I like vim too, naim?
[07:21] <alka_trash> is naim, what I think it is? a messenger client?
[07:21] <cef> yup
[07:21] <cef> ncurses based
[07:22] <alka_trash> I'm back baby!
[07:22] <alka_trash> thanks
[07:22] <diego> naim has support for aim and irc, i'm using both right now hehe
[07:22] <alka_trash> anything for yahoo
[07:22] <spikeb> centericq
[07:23] <cef> diego: does naim support everything gaim does?
[07:23] <spikeb> centericq supports msn, icq, yahoo (i think), aim...
[07:24] <diego> cef: no, just aim and irc
[07:24] <alka_trash> really
[07:24] <alka_trash> naim is pretty nice
[07:24] <alka_trash> I'm going to give centerirq a shot :)
[07:25] <cef> diego: bugger.. now if it really supported everything gaim did (including it's config), it'd be damn useful
[07:28] <alka_trash> hot dog! centericq is the sh!t!
[07:28] <spikeb> yes sir.
[07:28] <spikeb> :)
[07:29] <diego> cef, heh, true true...
[07:30] <alka_trash> I need more
[07:30] <spikeb> more what?
[07:30] <alka_trash> cool command line tools
[07:30] <spikeb> heh gonna become a CLI junkie?
[07:30] <alka_trash> I'm feeling just a little krazed
[07:31] <alka_trash> CLI, Yes, that's it
[07:32] <spikeb> A NCurses-based, menudriven front-end for cdrecord, Blade Encode, CDRDAO, CDparanoia, and MADplay.
[07:32] <spikeb> SimpleCDR
[07:32] <diego> spikeb, omg i need that now
[07:33] <diego> spikeb, does it support dvd's?
[07:33] <spikeb> dont know
[07:33] <spikeb> doesnt look like it, maybe a newish version does
[07:34] <g> can someone tell me right fast how to boot into single user mode please?
[07:35] <alka_trash> single user mode
[07:35] <alka_trash> isn't that init 1
[07:35] <diego> g, select it from grub menu...
[07:35] <alka_trash> oh how to boot, sorry
[07:36] <alka_trash> is there any advantages to using single user mode
[07:36] <g> well i just need to run fsck
[07:36] <g> and i can't do it while in this current mode
[07:36] <spikeb> g: press esc to get the grub menu then there should be a single user mode entry
[07:36] <diego> alka_trash, it's good for recovery if you can get to it
[07:36] <alka_trash> kewl
[07:36] <g> ok will check
[07:36] <g> thanks
[07:37] <g> i seen recovery mode thats not the same right?
[07:37] <|QuaD|> anyone here familiar with PHP XML-RPC functions?
[07:37] <discord> will someone tell me what is wrong with this line
[07:37] <diego> g, i think it is
[07:37] <g> ok will try
[07:37] <g> thanks again
[07:37] <diego> |QuaD|, #php...lol
[07:37] <spikeb> discord: if i can, i will
[07:37] <|QuaD|> diego: no one was :(
[07:37] <|QuaD|> familiar
[07:37] <|QuaD|> :)
[07:38] <diego> |QuaD|, the php manual is very good
[07:38] <discord> /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc ntfs rw,user 0 1
[07:38] <discord> from my /etc/fstab
[07:38] <discord> when i mount it
[07:38] <|QuaD|> diego: yeah... not on this subject, kinda lacking
[07:38] <diego> |Quad|, what are you working on, out of curiosity?
[07:38] <spikeb> discord: the rw bit
[07:38] <discord> only root can look at it
[07:38] <|QuaD|> trying to get contacts off a server, eventually port it to java and make a sync app
[07:38] <spikeb> oh
[07:38] <discord> so if i do ro then it will let the user look at it?
[07:39] <spikeb> no
[07:39] <|QuaD|> first want to learn how this hwhole system works
[07:39] <spikeb> but rw isnt good heh
[07:39] <discord> yeah
[07:39] <discord> well
[07:39] <spikeb> hmm, i dont know what's wrong with it
[07:39] <chibifs> >.>
[07:39] <chibifs> <.<
[07:39] <discord> anybody
[07:39] <thoreauputic> discord: try adding uid=1000,gid=1000
[07:39] <diego> |QuaD|, maybe LDAP would be appropriate?
[07:39] <thoreauputic> if those are your user's IDs of course
[07:39] <alka_trash> chibifs: welcome to the club
[07:40] <spikeb> so THAT's who broke xorg
[07:40] <spikeb> quit eating those packages!
[07:40] <|QuaD|> diego: the server i am trying to sync with only has xml-rpc
[07:40] <chibifs> Let's all now shun ourselves for being update-o-haulics :P
[07:40] <diego> |QuaD|, ah...well then proceed
[07:40] <alka_trash> it's too late chibifs has already swallowed them
[07:40] <spikeb> heh
[07:41] <spikeb> chibifs: a bad habit ot have when running unstable :P
[07:41] <chibifs> Yes indeed.
[07:41] <chibifs> x_x
[07:41] <diego> from now on, i check the forums before updating critical packages!
[07:41] <alka_trash> damn, apt-get need a little roll back feature
[07:41] <|QuaD|> diego: i can't find a good channel that focuses on this stuff then
[07:41] <discord> hmm i dont know if those are my gids
[07:41] <spikeb> im considering running debian unstable on a box here shortly
[07:41] <spikeb> heh
[07:41] <thoreauputic> discord: type id to see
[07:42] <thoreauputic> discord: that will give you a list
[07:42] <diego> |QuaD|, naim doesn't have /list support...sorry..maybe #web can help/point you somewhere more specific?
[07:42] <discord> they are but it didnt work
[07:42] <crimsun> spikeb: ubuntu hoary and debian sid are remarkably close (except for glib/gtk/pango/atk & gnome -related packages)
[07:42] <chibifs> Luckily with Linux you don't actually /need/ X :D
[07:42] <thoreauputic> discord: you want the first one (your users default group)
[07:42] <bitserf> http://www.yonkis.com/w.php?id=15122004113048.jpg
[07:42] <spikeb> crimsun: aye
[07:43] <discord> ?
[07:43] <|QuaD|> diego: i will look there, thanks for your help :)
[07:43] <cef> crimsun: and Xorg
[07:43] <crimsun> cef: true
[07:43] <diego> |QuaD|, meh, i haven't done anything but waste both our times...roflcopter
[07:43] <discord> thoreauputic just user id not the group one
[07:43] <thoreauputic> discord: there's a how to on ubuntulinux.org about it - use search
[07:43] <discord> hmm
[07:43] <thoreauputic> discord: both
[07:43] <discord> okay thanks
[07:43] <spikeb> xorg will make it's way back into sid from hoary though, i'd hope
[07:43] <crimsun> it will. waiting for sarge to release first.
[07:44] <spikeb> heh
[07:44] <spikeb> N+30 days for that :)
[07:44] <chibifs> Just enough terminals to live. :P
[07:44] <diego> chibifs: elinks man...that thing has more features than IE (TABBED BROWSING!!!!)
[07:44] <crimsun> chibifs: screen(1)
[07:44] <cef> spikeb: well depends.. if sarge gets released before hoary..
[07:44] <spikeb> i doubt that'll happen
[07:44] <chibifs> diego- elinks doesn't have graphics mode :/
[07:44] <spikeb> they're STILL waiting on the security infastructure
[07:45] <cef> spikeb: yeah I know..
[07:45] <spikeb> heh thoreauputic
[07:45] <spikeb> sarge will come out before
[07:45] <diego> chibifs: links does? shiiit....all the text-based browsers have their benefits
[07:45] <cef> spikeb: which means xorg most likely won't come from hoary, but perky
[07:45] <chibifs> Yeah. links has SVGA graphics mode, but no CSS
[07:45] <spikeb> elinks has css?
[07:46] <alka_trash> I'm back, with this CLI I wanted to line up all my tty terminals :)
[07:46] <chibifs> elinks has awesome css :D
[07:46] <spikeb> damn
[07:46] <alka_trash> relly, I'll have to give it a shot
[07:46] <crimsun> meh, screw ttys and just screen everything.
[07:46] <diego> chibifs: how do you get graphics in links? i don't have 'em
[07:46] <spikeb> links -g
[07:46] <chibifs> links -g
[07:46] <discord> thanks thoreauputic, i was reading about it elsewhere it doesn't like me using user it wants to be very specific with those ids
[07:47] <cef> damnit upgrading from warty to hoary is taking ages to download for me.. going to take somewhere between 3 and 6 hrs
[07:47] <thoreauputic> discord: BTW you don't want rw for ntfs
[07:47] <chibifs> I've never used screen before. Any special setup it needs to go through? o.O
[07:47] <crimsun> cef: you aren't seriously upgrading to hoary right this instant, are you?
[07:47] <discord> hmm i thought 2.6.8.1 finally supported rw
[07:47] <alka_trash> wow, elinks is pretty nice
[07:47] <diego> spikeb/chibifs: don't have that ? on hoary
[07:47] <crimsun> chibifs: screen <some app>
[07:47] <spikeb> hmm
[07:48] <discord> thoreauputic, does ntfs rw still not work
[07:48] <diego> cef/crimsun: haha
[07:48] <chibifs> discord, You can enable it, but it's risky.
[07:48] <thoreauputic> discord: not AFAIK, unless you use "captive" which is still experimental I think
[07:48] <cef> crimsun: well it's downloading.. I need a hoary devel box
[07:48] <alka_trash> okay, going to try screen
[07:48] <crimsun> anything X Windows-related is hosed atm. Today is not a good day to be dist-upgrading from Warty to Hoary.
[07:49] <diego> oh hmm...would i need framebuffer support?
[07:49] <chibifs> As in, you can do it, but windows probably won't like it anymore.
[07:50] <chibifs> diego - SVGAlib, doesn't necissarily need framebuffer.
[07:50] <diego> chibifs: thanks
[07:51] <chibifs> /etc/vga/libvga.config If you want to set it up for hard-accel. :P
[07:52] <underdog> hi everyone. i am having a problem with ubuntu + xorg. it can't load modules "bitmap" and "pcidata". has anyone had these problems?
[07:52] <underdog> oh, i'm with nvidia :)
[07:52] <chibifs> Yep. Wait for the new packages to come out. :D
[07:52] <cef> crimsun: I need gcc and libs, not x.. I can live with it.. I've lived with sid for 5 years
[07:52] <spikeb> thats insane
[07:52] <underdog> chibifs there's got to be a way to solve this...
[07:52] <ajmitch_> insane?
[07:53] <underdog> what do I do until then? use xfree?
[07:53] <cef> crimsun: and my lappy is still running sid atm, and that's working, so hey.. I'll live
[07:53] <chibifs> underdog - Backing up to the last package versions is a pain.
[07:53] <bitserf> underdog: get the previous xorg packages from archive.ubuntulinux.org
[07:53] <bitserf> underdog: or do what i do, and rebuild Xorg without the patch that causes the problem
[07:53] <underdog> bitserf can't I add an APT source to do that?
[07:53] <cef> crimsun: hopefully it's not as bad as the last time i upgraded to hoary though.. when it had a screwed up kernel and grub refused to boot anything at all
[07:54] <underdog> bitserf i'm not THAT crazy ;)
[07:57] <g> geeze what gives i can't for the life of me run fsck i booted in recovery mode typed fsck -C -r /dev/hda1 and it constantly says mounted with write permissions is there no way to check this thing or what?
[07:57] <underdog> well
[07:57] <underdog> I just have to sort out the nvidia kernel/X module version difference now
[07:58] <thoreauputic> g: you might need to boot from a cd in rescue mode and fsck it unmounted
[07:59] <g> ok so put the ubuntu cd in correct? and then how do i get to the shell if there is a wiki i will read just frustrated :(
[07:59] <neighborlee> does ubuntu support suspend to disk ?
[08:00] <neighborlee> friend is asking ( he's thinking of swithing and im recommendng of course ubuntu <G>)
[08:00] <alka_trash> neighborlee: works with my laptop
[08:00] <spikeb> it does on laptops it works on
[08:00] <spikeb> heh
[08:00] <neighborlee> ic
[08:00] <alka_trash> how do you start new window new screen
[08:01] <discord> can you select multiple folders in the gnome select file dialog?
[08:01] <spikeb> believe so
[08:01] <discord> ctrl does not work do you know how I would do that?
[08:01] <mitochondyu> hi all
[08:01] <discord> hello
[08:01] <mitochondyu> i need help
[08:01] <neighborlee> discord, I presume you tried shift
[08:01] <mitochondyu> newb questions
[08:01] <alka_trash> that came out wrong, I'm using screen and I'm not able to create a new window
[08:01] <neighborlee> hi
[08:02] <discord> i didnt but it does not work either
[08:02] <discord> mitochondyu, shoot
[08:02] <mitochondyu> i have a drive that contain, files and folder with different permmission, how can i set all files+folder+subfolder to same permission?
[08:02] <g> so how do you get to a terminal shell via the cd please?
[08:03] <discord> going to use chown / chmod
[08:03] <mitochondyu> ok thanks..
[08:03] <mitochondyu> didnt knwo abotu chown command
[08:04] <diego> chibifs: after apt-getting svgalib-bin, what else do i have to do? links2 doesn't seem to notice it
[08:04] <discord> sorry im so vague maybe someone knows better than me i dont know if you can use -r for recursive
[08:04] <mitochondyu> so -r means all the subfolders etc right?
[08:04] <mitochondyu> my english is poor sorry
[08:05] <discord> yeah
[08:05] <mitochondyu> thanks
[08:05] <discord> like
[08:05] <discord> rm -rf
[08:06] <discord> rm -rf /home/discord/666 would delete the 666 folder and anything underneath it
[08:06] <discord> the f is force
[08:06] <thoreauputic> chown takes -R I believe (upper case for recursive)
[08:06] <discord> you can always check the man pages
[08:06] <thoreauputic> according to man that's correct
[08:06] <discord> man chown
[08:06] <discord> or sometimes their is a quick help
[08:07] <discord> chown --help
[08:07] <mitochondyu> oh crap..i think i lost everything..wait.
[08:07] <mitochondyu> i will kill self.
[08:07] <alka_trash> discord: teach a man how to fish...
[08:08] <mitochondyu> ah thanks it works...is   sudo chmod 777 -R backups
[08:08] <discord> cool
[08:08] <diego> mitochondyu, better back up your backups...
[08:08] <mitochondyu> yeah
[08:08] <mitochondyu> mostly porn so.
[08:08] <alka_trash> he he
[08:08] <mitochondyu> hahahah
[08:09] <mitochondyu> so must back up
[08:09] <alka_trash> better back up your backups
[08:09] <discord> mitochondyu, got anything good?
[08:09] <diego> alka_trash, o.O
[08:09] <mitochondyu> yesh.
[08:09] <mitochondyu> i got dsl..upload bery slow
[08:09] <discord> hook it up ;] 
[08:09] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: you realise you just made all your p0rn executable? ;)
[08:10] <diego> w00000000000000t
[08:10] <alka_trash> ( weep weep ) I'm stuck in cli
[08:10] <mitochondyu> executable is good
[08:10] <diego> alka_trash: yeah no joke, i'm being so inefficient i'm going to sleep
[08:10] <diego> gn all
[08:10] <alka_trash> maybe there's something to read
[08:10] <alka_trash> diego: good night
[08:11] <spikeb> how's usplash coming along?
[08:11] <mitochondyu> thanks guys nite
[08:11] <underdog> bitserf, I got it to run
[08:11] <mike_douglas> anyone else having xserver problems? I can't load the core module after the latest update
[08:11] <underdog> with the previous xorg package
[08:11] <underdog> mike_douglas, just solved that one myself
[08:11] <underdog> :)
[08:12] <mike_douglas> lol, what luck
[08:12] <underdog> just remove xserver-common and xserver-xorg
[08:12] <underdog> wait
[08:13] <underdog> xserver-common_6.8.1-1ubuntu6_i386.deb and xserver-xorg_6.8.1-1ubuntu6_i386.deb are the ones to install
[08:13] <chibifs> rm -R /
[08:13] <chibifs> I mean
[08:13] <chibifs> uhhh. o.o;
[08:13] <g> dang i have this cd in so i hit execute shell but when i try to type fsck i get no command found
[08:13] <chibifs> Please, no one run that command. :P
[08:13] <nictuku> wasn't it -r, not -R ? :)
[08:13] <g> can someone help me please
[08:14] <underdog> rm -rf /
[08:14] <chibifs> f?
[08:14] <mike_douglas> chibifs: i was once joking around with a macosx buddy and told him to run that. I thought everyone knew that joke, I was wrong :(
[08:14] <underdog> that should do the trick, nictuku ;)
[08:14] <underdog> chibifs, force ;)
[08:14] <chibifs> I forgot that this was Ubuntu. :P
[08:14] <underdog> mike_douglas, do you need help?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> g: try /sbin/fsck
[08:15] <chibifs> Some people might actually do that if I say it here. :o
[08:15] <mike_douglas> not anymore, thanks for the package names
[08:15] <underdog> if you don't have them on your archive
[08:15] <underdog> I can send them to you via dcc
[08:15] <underdog> or e-mail even
[08:16] <mike_douglas> a downgrade one release feature in apt is definetly on my Christmas wishlist ;)
[08:16] <g> its not in /sbin
[08:16] <g> i take it the utility is not on the cd :(
[08:16] <thoreauputic> g: that's amazing
[08:16] <underdog> e2fsck
[08:16] <underdog> try that, g
[08:17] <g> evidently i'm not doing something right
[08:17] <g> i put the cd in
[08:17] <g> i then hit enter to boot
[08:17] <g> and hit hit escape
[08:17] <g> and hit execute shell
[08:17] <g> and i'm at #
[08:17] <g> and i try those commands and nada
[08:18] <underdog> g, try "cd /; find | grep fsck"
[08:18] <thoreauputic> g: are you sure this isn't the grub shell you are in ?
[08:19] <g> to be honest i don't know what the hell i'm in :)
[08:19] <g> i'm just trying to fix this drive :)
[08:19] <g> i'm in ash
[08:19] <g> built i shell
[08:19] <thoreauputic> OK
[08:19] <g> from the cd
[08:19] <g> sorry just this is pissing me off :(
[08:19] <underdog> well mike_douglas, good luck then. merry xmas without your downgrade ;)
[08:19] <underdog> bye guys
[08:19] <underdog> bitserf, thanks for the help
[08:20] <mike_douglas> horray (or hoary) the packages are still there!
[08:20] <thoreauputic> g: do you have a live cd like knoppix hanging around? Might be easier
[08:20] <mike_douglas> bye underdog
[08:20] <g> no i don't
[08:20] <g> all ihave is ubuttnu
[08:22] <thoreauputic> g: if you let the installer disc boot fully, you should be able to get a tty by doing al-f2 or alt-f3 I believe
[08:22] <bitserf> underdog: np
[08:23] <g> ok well here is the thing
[08:23] <g> isn't hte drive mounted at that point?
[08:24] <thoreauputic> you can umount it
[08:24] <g> thats the problem i can't check the disk cause its write mounted
[08:24] <underdog> g, when the install script starts
[08:24] <g> even a root?
[08:24] <underdog> it's not mounted yet
[08:24] <cef> not hard to mount it
[08:24] <thoreauputic> root: you should *not* IRC as root !
[08:24] <root> sorri
[08:24] <cef> but go thru the install process TILL you get to the partitioner.
[08:24] <root> my Hoary just break
[08:24] <g> your missing what i'm saying
[08:25] <root> I now just have to use BitchX
[08:25] <root> I dont know how to change nick with BitchX
[08:25] <g> my root is on the drive i want to check
[08:25] <root> can someone show me?
[08:25] <cef> otherwise the devices (eg: ide bus) don't get detected
[08:25] <g> so i don't see how i can issue commands without a mounted drive
[08:25] <mojo_0> aah...
[08:25] <thoreauputic> root: add a user  - adduser name
[08:25] <mojo_0> how to private chat with a nick? (what command?)
[08:26] <mojo_0> how to private chat with a person? (using bitchX)
[08:26] <thoreauputic> mojo_0: changing nick doesn't mean you aren't root
[08:26] <underdog> mojo_0, /query <<nickname>>
[08:26] <g> so this thing is going thru the process of asking for my host name and all that
[08:26] <underdog> mojo_0, to leave query just /query
[08:26] <g> i dn't wanna reinstall ubuntu
[08:26] <mojo_0> thx
[08:26] <mojo_0> thx
[08:26] <g> all i wanna do is fix this drive :)
[08:26] <g> grrr
[08:27] <thoreauputic> mojo_0: you are still root
[08:27] <cef> g: just get up to where it asks you to partition the drive.
[08:27] <g> ok
[08:27] <g> then do a alt f2?
[08:27] <g> as i do when i'm normally running?
[08:27] <cef> g: don't actually partition it. at that point, go to the second console, press enter and then mount the partition somewhere (eg: /target
[08:27] <cef> yup!
[08:27] <g> k
[08:28] <g> but if i mount it then i can't check it can i i'm confused
[08:28] <g> i don't see how you can fsck something that isn't mounted
[08:28] <g> and i know you said mount it and thats fine
[08:28] <cef> g: only reason you need to get to the partitioner is that it only detects the drives just before it
[08:28] <g> but do i mount it with r only or whats the deal
[08:28] <g> k
[08:28] <cef> mount it read only, or just run the fsck
[08:29] <g> k
[08:29] <cef> from that point on, you've got access to the drive.
[08:29] <g> ok gotcha
[08:30] <g> so the only reason fsck is crappin at me is cause its rw?
[08:30] <g> but one question
[08:30] <g> if it doesn't have write permissions how is it gonna fix it
[08:30] <poptones> sorry to interrupt, would someone mind giving a bit of bash help?
[08:30] <ajmitch_> g: it has write permissions to the underlying device
[08:30] <g> oh ok
[08:30] <thoreauputic> poptones: possibly - but might be better to /join #bash
[08:31] <ajmitch_> which is why it doesn't need to mount it
[08:31] <poptones> coolio i'll give it a shot
[08:33] <g> ok i got to the partioner i hit alt f2
[08:34] <g> i'm at shell i typed mount /dev/hda1 /drive -o r
[08:34] <g> and it can't find hda1
[08:35] <Se7h> question
[08:36] <Se7h> does anyones use Skype ?
[08:36] <g> brb
[08:39] <Se7h> no one ?
[08:39] <zenkov> Hi
[08:42] <g> any other ideas
[08:43] <g> one would tink there would be an easier way to repair his drive than having to do all this crap :)
[08:45] <Erix> hi
[08:46] <cef> g: ahh yeah.. devfs device names.. arghh.. try /dev/ide0/lun0/part1 (or something like that)
[08:48] <g> k
[08:51] <anir> hey guys
[08:51] <anir> how are u all
[08:52] <g> ok to mount the drive read only its -ro right?
[08:52] <g> ok i got it nevermind
[08:52] <anir> wht software should i use to play cds?
[08:54] <g> can you do me a favor and type locate reisfsck please and tell me the path thanks
[08:55] <g> err its in sbin i see it
[08:55] <g> :)
[08:58] <g> finally :)
[09:03] <anir> all busy??
[09:05] <g> cef and thor thanks it seems to be working onw
[09:05] <g> err now
[09:05] <g> i ran reiserfcsk with the -fix-fixable command so i hope it works
[09:06] <walski> just a question on custom kernel compiling
[09:07] <walski> is there anyway i can get the config that is used to make ubuntu kernel images? so i can make my own and patch some unsupprted hardware i need
[09:13] <txtda> i installed to much crap, how can i get back to original packages without deseleting one by one?
[09:14] <underdog> txtda, re-install?
[09:14] <txtda> rather not, is there a list i can import to apt?
[09:16] <Se7h> skype, does anyone has this ?
[09:22] <miggumike> hey. what is a good e-mail client other than evolution?
[09:22] <spikeb> for gnome? there isn't one, in my opinion.
[09:22] <txtda> mozilla and thunderbird
[09:22] <miggumike> for kde
[09:22] <melazyboy> walski: Yes there are two ways.
[09:22] <spikeb> miggumike: kmail
[09:23] <txtda> pine :)
[09:23] <melazyboy> walski: You can either get ubuntu's kernel-tree*, or you can copy your old .config file
[09:24] <melazyboy> walski: To copy the config just go to /boot, find the config file you want and copy it to your /usr/source/linux directry (which you should have made a sym link to)
[09:26] <haza96> has anyone installed the latest nvidia drivers (6629) from the nvidia web site?
[09:27] <miggumike> is thunderbird ok to use?
[09:27] <txtda> nope, but what nvidia comes with hoary
[09:27] <txtda> ?
[09:27] <spikeb> thunderbird is nice
[09:28] <haza96> how do I set the runlevel so that X isn't running?
[09:29] <walski> melazyboy, thanks mate
[09:30] <melazyboy> walski: no problem you might have to rename the config file to .config in your /usr/source/linux directory and then issue the command 'make oldconfig'
[09:30] <miggumike> can i change my computer's name?
[09:31] <bruceh> Hi, I just installed ubuntu and everything went well until I rebooted after the install and grub exited with Error 18. Anybody know what could have happened?
[09:31] <melazyboy> walski: Aucutually scratch that, make oldconfig, should read the config right out of the /boot dir, if you issue the command 'make oldconfig' it should copy the current kernel config file located in /boot/ to /usr/source/linux/.config, and then your read to configure and compile
[09:33] <walski> k awesome
[09:36] <melazyboy> miggumike: /etc/hostname
[09:37] <walski> melazyboy, works well thanks again
[09:37] <melazyboy> miggumike: All of your essential linux configuration files that can be changed,
[09:38] <melazyboy> miggumike: err sry, should be found in /etc, likewise for along time, most of the changes in those files can be viewed in /proc, which is little the gauges of linux
[09:38] <Se7h> skype, does anyone has this ?
[09:38] <melazyboy> like the*
[09:38] <Se7h> i cant get it to work
[09:39] <melazyboy> whats skype?
[09:39] <Se7h> they say something about esddsp skype
[09:39] <spikeb> it's a voip application
[09:39] <Se7h> to redirect the sound to it cause it's "stupid"
[09:39] <Se7h> lol
[09:40] <Se7h> but esddsp ...not a command
[09:40] <miggumike> thanks melazyboy
[09:40] <Se7h> artsdsp for kde
[09:40] <Se7h> and esddsp for gnoem
[09:41] <melazyboy> Se7h: are you using alsa or oss?
[09:41] <Se7h> alsa
[09:41] <miggumike> melazyboy: what do i edit to setup my email for my computer
[09:41] <Se7h> miggumike o.0
[09:42] <melazyboy> miggumike: that depends on what exactly your trying to set up
[09:42] <melazyboy> miggumike: a server or a client
[09:42] <miggumike> client i believe
[09:42] <melazyboy> miggumike: then it would depend on the client
[09:43] <Se7h> miggumike Evolution ?
[09:43] <miggumike> nm that
[09:43] <walski> spikeb, use alien to convert the rpm to the deb and install that
[09:44] <walski> i have it working in ubuntu perfectly
[09:44] <melazyboy> Se7h: just out of curiosity try this, 'dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1024 count=5 | aplay'
[09:44] <walski> sorry that was to Se7h
[09:45] <spikeb> hehe
[09:45] <Se7h> lol
[09:45] <Se7h> its not the installation
[09:45] <Se7h> melazyboy wtf is that ?
[09:45] <Se7h> i mean
[09:46] <Se7h> i cant understand it 100%
[09:46] <Se7h> woo
[09:46] <Se7h> Playing raw data 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
[09:46] <Se7h> 5+0 records in
[09:46] <Se7h> 5+0 records out
[09:46] <Se7h> 5120 bytes transferred in 0.079806 seconds (64156 bytes/sec)
[09:46] <miggumike> how can i make it so 'su' works?
[09:47] <Se7h> miggumike sudo su
[09:47] <miggumike> :/
[09:47] <miggumike> it didn't ask me for my password when i did that
[09:47] <melazyboy> dsp is something about sound, when i get errors of that sort i test the installation, alsa doesn't use oss's psudo file handles for the dsp, it uses its own unique method that i don't fully understand, im using a 100% alsa install, without oss and i have had some errors of that like with other apps
[09:49] <Se7h> melazyboy erros of that like ?
[09:49] <melazyboy> Se7h: Yes with applications bitching when they try to access a sudo file handle, like for instance /dev/dsp
[09:50] <Se7h> Are you using a desktop environment such as KDE or Gnome? Those both have "sound daemons" that take over control of the soundcard once it starts, and unless an application knows how to communicate with those sound systems they will not be able to use the sound device. Unfortunately, Skype will try to access /dev/dsp directly, instead of querying any running sound daemons.
[09:50] <Se7h> well
[09:50] <Se7h> i chowned the /dev/dsp with my user
[09:51] <miggumike> is there a way i can make my computer able to log into root?
[09:52] <melazyboy> Se7h: I don't think thats true, i use gnome and xmms, VLC, and xine all access ALSA directly, they all have an option to play through artsd, but they in addition have an ALSA option, as in a menu where you can select one but not both, and i play to what i believe is alsa directly with artsd running
[09:53] <Se7h> melazyboy well...its there call not mine
[09:53] <melazyboy> miggumike: sudo passwd root
[09:53] <Se7h> i got all apps playiong sound 100%
[09:53] <Se7h> skype its the only stupid one
[09:53] <Se7h> lol
[09:56] <Se7h> "Problem with sound device"
[09:56] <melazyboy> lol
[09:56] <melazyboy> when you ran that command i gave you did you hear sound?
[09:57] <miggumike> how can i add the volume adjustment icon near my clock in kde?
[09:58] <melazyboy> that i don't know.. i hate kde. kde=bad
[09:59] <Se7h> melazyboy yes i didd
[10:00] <melazyboy> then alsa must work
[10:00] <miggumike> melazyboy: when i do sudo passwd root it doesn't ask my for my old password.
[10:00] <miggumike> will this work?
[10:00] <bruceh> miggumike: right click on the panel, choose Add->Application Button->Multimedia->Sound->Kmix
[10:00] <melazyboy> miggumike: did you have an old password, or was the account disabled without a password?
[10:01] <miggumike> i thikn the account might be disable because i can't login it when i start kde
[10:02] <melazyboy> after you run sudo passwd it is enabled.
[10:02] <melazyboy> you have to run w/ -l to disable it now
[10:03] <miggumike> :/
[10:03] <melazyboy> are you needing help with this?
[10:03] <bruceh> well, that's annoying - two installs, both seem fine, exept won't boot. grub exits with error 18, which i think means it couldn't find an operating system
[10:03] <Se7h> miggumike why u want root ?
[10:03] <miggumike> yes. may i message you?
[10:03] <miggumike> i want to change my root password
[10:03] <melazyboy> sudo passwd root [enter]  foo [enter]  logout [enter]  root [enter]  foo [enter]  =DD
[10:03] <Se7h> for ur safety u shouldn't enable it
[10:04] <Se7h> LOL
[10:04] <Se7h> login hack or what ?
[10:04] <Se7h> ;P
[10:04] <melazyboy> no i just figured the confusion was with the enter key
[10:04] <melazyboy> lol
[10:05] <cenerentola> miggumike: sorry?
[10:05] <melazyboy> auctually i happen to be very much for the arguement that the root account is bad for the ubuntu demograph, so im going to side with Se7h you probably shoulden't enable it
[10:05] <cenerentola> miggumike: you don't need to use the root account..
[10:05] <miggumike> i want to change my root password
[10:06] <cenerentola> miggumike: actually you dont have a root password
[10:06] <cenerentola> miggumike: what do you mean precisely?
[10:06] <Se7h> "why u want root if u can sudo?
[10:06] <Se7h> hmm
[10:06] <Se7h> this would be geek in a t-shirt
[10:06] <Se7h> lol
[10:06] <miggumike> look mate when i do something like sudo apt-get mozilla i'll need to use a password
[10:06] <miggumike> what password is that, my root's?
[10:06] <melazyboy> 'sudo -s' == single console root access privledge login
[10:07] <cef> sudo uses YOUR password
[10:07] <cenerentola> no is your user's one.
[10:07] <Se7h> yes = user pass
[10:07] <melazyboy> miggumike: You can't ever, ever, read a password they are MD5 encrypted with shadow storage
[10:07] <miggumike> ok?
[10:07] <cenerentola> melazyboy: hes not talking about reading it..
[10:07] <cenerentola> miggumike: i got what you mean
[10:07] <cenerentola> so...
[10:07] <cenerentola> go in your gnome menu
[10:07] <miggumike> <- kde
[10:08] <cenerentola> miggumike: go away ;0
[10:08] <melazyboy> miggumike: when you passwd w/ sudo you just give the account a password and it overwrites the prior one, because you issued the command as a user with sufficient privledges
[10:08] <cenerentola> so "sudo passwd yourusername"
[10:08] <cef> kde needs a lot of work for integration with sudo
[10:09] <cenerentola> cef: sudo was invented by suse's dudes
[10:09] <melazyboy> cef: kde need lots of work period.
[10:09] <cenerentola> cef: suse uses kde
[10:09] <miggumike> my backspace button doesn't repeat now.
[10:09] <miggumike> the wonderful world of linux
[10:09] <melazyboy> miggumike: Remap backspace to caps lock, be a true geek
[10:09] <cef> cenerentola: perhaps, but KDE as it stands in debian (and hence how it got into ubuntu) uses the real root password in lots of places
[10:10] <miggumike> lol melazyboy, that doesn't sound like a bad idea
[10:10] <cenerentola> cef: so its debian packaged kde..
[10:10] <cenerentola> miggumike: so did you do that*?
[10:10] <miggumike> cenerentola: did what?
[10:11] <cenerentola> "sudo passwd yourusername"
[10:11] <cenerentola> then it asks for
[10:11] <miggumike> yeah
[10:11] <miggumike> i did
[10:11] <cenerentola> password: enter your actual password
[10:11] <cenerentola> miggumike: and?
[10:11] <miggumike> and i changed my accounts password
[10:11] <cenerentola> so its over now, right?
[10:11] <miggumike> i wanted to know how to change the roots password
[10:11] <miggumike> root's*
[10:11] <melazyboy> miggumike: now try su, or login root
[10:11] <cenerentola> you dont have a root password my friend...
[10:12] <miggumike> ok
[10:12] <miggumike> so there is no root.
[10:12] <cenerentola> miggumike: not a usable one
[10:12] <karlos> hi all
[10:13] <cenerentola> miggumike: actually if you look into your pass* and shadow files, there's an entry for user root... but it doesnt have a password so you cant use it..
[10:13] <cenerentola> karlos: ciao
[10:13] <miggumike> brb i'm going to switch to gnome
[10:13] <karlos> $ sudo passwd root
[10:14] <melazyboy> miggumike: In order to halt the windows-user-habbit of staying perma-logged in as root, ubuntu disabled it by default (passwd -l root) in order to activate that account you issue the command 'password root'
[10:15] <cenerentola> karlos: stop writing bad words: "sudo passed root" ;)
[10:15] <karlos> passwd
[10:15] <karlos> it worked on my machine to make a root account
[10:16] <cenerentola> karlos: its not, really, a good idea
[10:16] <karlos> i know
[10:16] <cenerentola> nice ;)
[10:16] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti
[10:16] <karlos> but i'm inherently stupid so there you go
[10:17] <Se7h> btw
[10:17] <Se7h> does anyone knows an app to comunicate with webcam
[10:18] <Se7h> ...like msn or so
[10:18] <stuNNed_> Se7h: gnomemeeting afaik
[10:18] <miggumike> so gnome a lighter xwindow than kde?
[10:18] <karlos> actually i'm getting used to this sudo business and ive now turned me root account off
[10:18] <atropus> I can't mount my cdrom. special device /dev/hdc does not exist? plz help
[10:19] <melazyboy> gnome meeting
[10:19] <Se7h> stuNNed_ i've tried that
[10:19] <Se7h> i mean
[10:19] <Se7h> i think i did
[10:19] <Se7h> using windows
[10:19] <melazyboy> Se7h: gnome meeting
[10:19] <Se7h> what would the other side have to use
[10:19] <Se7h> ?
[10:20] <bruceh> dammit, install failed. third try.
[10:20] <stuNNed_> Se7h: whatever, but that is the most common
[10:21] <Se7h> o.0
[10:21] <melazyboy> Se7h: I think gnome meeting can communicate with netmeeting
[10:21] <Se7h> melazyboy yes it can
[10:22] <Se7h> but netmeeting tend to desapear
[10:22] <Se7h> disapear
[10:22] <melazyboy> Se7h: well i think because any app can communicate with netmeeting gnome meeting can communicate with any app..
[10:23] <Se7h> callto:
[10:23] <Se7h> and
[10:23] <Se7h> h323
[10:23] <Se7h> or something like that
[10:23] <Se7h> but i've tried calling a netmeeting user
[10:23] <Se7h> and...no good
[10:24] <Se7h> is anyone using it btw ?
[10:24] <melazyboy> Se7h: firewall maybe"
[10:24] <melazyboy> ?
[10:24] <Se7h> sould be
[10:25] <Se7h> but i configured it
[10:25] <Se7h> and still hte same
[10:27] <karlos> any one know of a firewall app other than lokkit...i can't get that to work
[10:28] <stuNNed_> karlos: firestarter or shorewall
[10:28] <karlos> cheers
[10:28] <stuNNed_> karlos: afaik firestarter has a bunch of redundant rules and shorewall is text based but has alot of features
[10:28] <karlos> im the firestarter...teisted instigator
[10:29] <karlos> twisted
[10:30] <monoxide> hi everyone, im having trouble with my sound...
[10:31] <Se7h> ...
[10:32] <monoxide> xmms is playing but no sound
[10:32] <bruceh> monoxide, you using kde?
[10:32] <monoxide> gnome
[10:32] <bruceh> hmm... perhaps the sound is muted in gnome?
[10:33] <monoxide> i have checked the volume controls, everything is on full volume, and unmuted
[10:33] <monoxide> and cd player seems to work, just not xmms
[10:35] <hazza96> How do I make it so that the apps don;t stack on top of one another
[10:37] <bruceh> monoxide, have you checked that xmms is using the correct output plugin?
[10:39] <monoxide> well there it goes... very badly, but there it goes :)
[10:40] <monoxide> far too loud for my speakers
[10:40] <bruceh> was it the output plugin?
[10:41] <monoxide> yea, and the config of said plugin...
[10:41] <bruceh> cool
[10:42] <monoxide> alsa, not oss, and i have 2 cards, and it was on the wrong card :)
[10:42] <bruceh> fourth install, now grub exits with error 17. This is getting annoying.
[10:42] <monoxide> ahhh... music to my ears :)
[10:42] <monoxide> what is error 17?
[10:43] <bruceh> I don't know
[10:43] <bruceh> I suppose grub can't find the operating system.
[10:44] <Se7h> what does itt sais ?
[10:45] <monoxide> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2002-11/msg00029.html
[10:45] <monoxide> have a look there, no idea if it will help but my little contribution
[10:45] <monoxide> night all
[10:45] <bruceh> "Error 17" -- that's all, very cryptic
[10:48] <bruceh> I think I'll try using lilo instead.
[10:49] <mdke> hi all, mega problems with hoary: i can't start gnome. I also can't do an upgrade because of a problem related to python-orbit. Can anyone help me?
[10:50] <Aure> apt-get -f install
[10:50] <mdke> Aure: I've tried that but it fails because of the python-orbit problem
[10:51] <Aure> remove the python-orbit package
[10:51] <mdke> should i force it?
[10:51] <mdke> i can't remove it normally
[10:51] <C001M4N> ation, Inc
[10:51] <C001M4N> Ubuntu is a Linux distribution that starts with the breadth of Debian and adds regular releases (every six months), a clear focus on the user and usability (it should "Just Work", TM) and a commitment to security updates with 18 months of support for every release. Ubuntu ships with the latest Gnome release as well as a selection of server and desktop software that makes for a comfortable desktop experience off a single installation CD.
[10:51] <C001M4N> What makes Ubuntu special? Why do people choose Ubuntu as their favourite Linux for work and play?
[10:51] <C001M4N> Regular and Predictable ReleasesThe Ubuntu team releases a fresh Ubuntu every six months. It includes the latest kernel, X, Gnome and other key applications
[10:52] <cef> C001M4N: having fun there? any reason for the paste?
[10:53] <mdke> Aure: ?
[10:55] <mdke> Aure: oh ok something positive is happening now: I have removed the python-orbit package
[10:55] <C001M4N> cool i can geet ubuntu shipped to me for free
[10:55] <C001M4N> :)
[10:55] <C001M4N> i can get a new shiny frisbee
[10:55] <C001M4N> yay
[10:56] <C001M4N> a coaster
[10:56] <C001M4N> im gonna order cdz
[10:56] <C001M4N> and use them for frizbee
[10:56] <mdke> C001M4N: talking to yourself is bad mkay
[10:57] <mdke> and cds make terrible frisbees
[10:57] <C001M4N> im gonna order 1000 cds
[10:57] <C001M4N> and throw them away
[10:57] <cef> C001M4N: take your trolling somewhere else
[10:59] <C001M4N> this distrobut0n
[10:59] <C001M4N> is
[11:00] <C001M4N> JUNK
[11:00] <mdke> someone kick him
[11:00] <JStrike> Dude, you are an ass
[11:00] <bruceh> where's the op when you need one?
[11:00] <housetier> don't feed the trolls
[11:00] <mdke> Aure: once everything is nicely upgraded, can I reinstall python-orbit? or do i need to install a different package?
[11:01] <housetier> once coolman orders those 1000 CDs we will have his adress...
[11:02] <mdke> heh
[11:03] <bruceh> can I be part of the lynch mob, please?
[11:03] <mdke> anyone with an answer on that python-orbit question ^^?
[11:04] <cef> why bother with a lynching. I'm sure he runs windows (pirated) and lots of warez .. sure certain people would be interested
[11:04] <JStrike> mdke : I also have a problem with python-orbit
[11:04] <C001M4N>  i just ordered 100 cdz
[11:04] <mdke> JStrike: of what nature?
[11:04] <Botox> hi, i ran into the same problem this person is having here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8384 any ideas how to solve it?
[11:04] <mdke> C001M4N: using a proxy right?
[11:04] <JStrike> It fails to install properly
[11:04] <C001M4N> no
[11:05] <C001M4N> whats a proxy
[11:05] <mdke> C001M4N: it stops people from seeing your real address
[11:05] <C001M4N> what if they see my real address?
[11:05] <gustavor> I would like to learn how-to make deb packages for ubuntu... is there a good document to start with?
[11:05] <mdke> JStrike: apt-get remove python-orbit has done the trick for me.
[11:05] <mdke> C001M4N: then they know your IP address and your house address
[11:06] <JStrike> mdke : But doesn't GVM depend on it?
[11:06] <C001M4N> so.....................
[11:06] <C001M4N> i don't think they will come after me
[11:07] <mdke> JStrike: not sure. I am planning to reinstall it afterwards, its just a question of a version change I think
[11:07] <mdke> someone make sure those cds arent sent: it would be a waste
[11:08] <cef> C001M4N: hope you like waiting for your cd's.. the delivery delay is long
[11:08] <mdke> hopefully indefinite
[11:09] <mdke> oooh a new gnome menu
[11:09] <mdke> funky
[11:09] <C001M4N> no
[11:09] <C001M4N> i
[11:09] <C001M4N> only
[11:10] <C001M4N> order
[11:10] <C001M4N> 1
[11:10] <C001M4N> :)
[11:10] <C001M4N> i can't wait to get my ubuntu
[11:10] <mdke> ok i really like that new gnome menu. great idea to have the locations separate.
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[11:11] <hazza96> stop the spamming
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[11:12] <hazza96> that's it where is the ignore button
[11:12] <mdke> omg
[11:12] <mdke> operator please
[11:12] <bitserf> hi, anyyone have any idea where the autoconf info files reside? there is no autoconf-doc package, unexpectedly
[11:12] <hazza96> just use ignore
[11:13] <hazza96> is he still doing it?
[11:13] <mdke> nope
[11:13] <mdke> hes left
[11:13] <hazza96> oh good
[11:13] <mdke> i'm off too
[11:13] <mdke> Aure: thanks for your help
[11:13] <mdke> have a good sunday all
[11:14] <hazza96> cya
[11:14] <bitserf> gah, i bring you this gem from autoconf's README.Debian: "No documentation, because the Debian project has decided that the GNU
[11:14] <bitserf> FDL is not an acceptable license for documentation"....
[11:15] <bitserf> that TOTALLY SUCKS
[11:15] <DoktorTomoe> hi
[11:15] <bitserf> an example of license nazism gone crazy :(
[11:16] <DoktorTomoe> bitserf: What seems to be the problem? I just came and didn't get your prevorius lines.
[11:17] <bitserf> doktor: debian (and thus by extension ubuntu) has no documentation for autoconf, because the GNU FDL is not "free enough". talk about being anal at the expense of your users..
[11:17] <bitserf> there is autobook, but i'm looking for the info files because i need reference material
[11:18] <DoktorTomoe> being "free enough" always has been a problem to debian ... did you try google?
[11:19] <bitserf> well, yeah, sure, i solved the problem. i have a problem with that attitude though. so much. especially for something as widely used as autoconf...ffs
[11:19] <DoktorTomoe> I totally agree with that ...
[11:20] <DoktorTomoe> How "stuck" is ubuntu with debian's licence policy anyway? Would it be a problem just to change it for ubuntu distribution?
[11:20] <bitserf> i'm going to file a bug report regardless, what a pain in the ass..
[11:21] <bitserf> its worse than non-free driver stuff in my opinion
[11:21] <DoktorTomoe> be sure to give me a link so that I'm able to participate.
[11:25] <bitserf> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4800
[11:26] <bitserf> i had slippery fingers though, so committed without initial comment :|
[11:28] <DoktorTomoe> Hm, I really like to help with this Rosetta thing.
[11:28] <DoktorTomoe> Whom can I contact?
[11:30] <hazza96> what Rosetta thing?
[11:32] <DoktorTomoe> hatta96: Seems to be some translaters project for ubuntu: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta
[11:33] <Napsask> guys where can i find a daemons/services tutorial for ubuntu?
[11:33] <DoktorTomoe> A notice on ubuntulinux.com celebrated it as "open" :?
[11:34] <DoktorTomoe> creating a daemon or just invoking it?
[11:34] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: managing all system daemons
[11:34] <Napsask> apache etc
[11:34] <hazza96> my sound has disappeared
[11:34] <hazza96> xmms says that I don't have any devices
[11:34] <DoktorTomoe> Napsask: Try searching on google, but use debian instead of ubuntu. That'll help
[11:35] <hazza96> I can't play sound in other apps either
[11:35] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: like @boot&runlevels etc
[11:35] <fab> bonjour
[11:36] <Ribs> HELLO!
[11:36] <fab> how are u??
[11:36] <hazza96> how do i let other users run the Synaptic package management
[11:36] <fab> is there french people here?
[11:37] <DoktorTomoe> hazza96: sudo synaptic? But I see no reason for doing it...
[11:37] <DoktorTomoe> hazza96: There is a reason for locking it up to root :)
[11:38] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: if i wanted to add apache on runlevel 5 on what would be the command?
[11:38] <hazza96> ok I should point out the user trying to run sudo is a NIS auth user
[11:39] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: can u tell me?
[11:40] <DoktorTomoe> Napsask: man init
[11:40] <DoktorTomoe> :)
[11:40] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: plz just give me the command
[11:41] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: i want just to see it...?
[11:41] <DoktorTomoe> doing some research, just a moment (I am kind of a debian newbie)
[11:42] <Napsask> k
[11:43] <DoktorTomoe> Napsask: Tage a look at the /etc/init.d/rc script. Add the appropriate command to the runlevel you like...
[11:44] <Napsask> DoktorTomoe: so i just make links of a script to the rcx.d right?
[11:44] <DoktorTomoe> jup, that should to the trick
[11:45] <Napsask> still doesnt work
[11:45] <Napsask> :/
[11:45] <DoktorTomoe> got some error messages?
[11:45] <Napsask> np
[11:45] <Napsask> i just remove some links of my default runlevel
[11:45] <Napsask> by still the start
[11:46] <Napsask> *but
[11:54] <Adrenal> anyone know where i can download ub_human14.xpm.gz?
[11:54] <Adrenal> the wiki page has no links
[11:55] <Adrenal> anyone?
[12:02] <crimsun> I don't see one
[12:03] <Speirsje> toch wel...
[12:04] <Speirsje> Hi, I have a big problem....
[12:04] <Speirsje> I dont get into Windows anymore
[12:04] <Speirsje> and I am in Ubuntu now...
[12:04] <iz> Speirsje, join #ubuntu-nl for dutch
[12:05] <Speirsje> thx
[12:06] <Timerever> don't take me wrong but i dunno where else to ask this.... is it possible too use Freetype in Windoze instead of ClearType?
[12:06] <crimsun> not that I'm aware.
[12:07] <JStrike> And don't substitute a "z" in Windows
[12:08] <Timerever> :-(
[12:09] <Timerever> i have this question also... a bit wierd but....
[12:09] <Timerever> when you install ubuntu it has XFree4.3
[12:10] <Timerever> if you install X.org 6.8 you won't have nice (and slow) shadow on gnome,cause it wasn't compiled with support for it isn't?
[12:10] <JStrike> yep
[12:10] <JStrike> Metacity doesn't have the compositor enabled yet
[12:10] <crimsun> you don't want the X.Org in Hoary anyhow
[12:11] <Timerever> ?
[12:12] <Timerever> is X.org broken in beta ubuntu (sorry forgot it's codename)
[12:13] <crimsun> yes.
[12:13] <JStrike> XOrg just really isn't much different to XFree unless you have a WM that does compositing etc
[12:13] <crimsun> (codename Hoary)
[12:13] <Timerever> compositing is nice :)
[12:13] <murf> hello, my mouse dont work after i install ubuntu warty ... it is standart ps2 mouse, i have [Driver mouse, Device /dev/input/mice, Protocol auto]  in the XF86Config, anybody know what shall i do?
[12:13] <HcE> which WM uses compositing?
[12:13] <Timerever> and freetype too :(
[12:14] <Timerever> XfWM
[12:14] <JStrike> HcE : None of the major ones atm
[12:14] <Timerever> it uses it
[12:14] <HcE> so Gnome or Openbox dosn't?
[12:14] <crimsun> xfwm uses its own composite methods
[12:14] <Timerever> :)
[12:14] <Timerever> doh
[12:14] <JStrike> But metacity should have it soon. The code has been in for ages (in unstable form)
[12:16] <murf> nobody have some suggestion?
[12:17] <crimsun> murf: when you move the mouse, does `cat /dev/input/mice' report anything?
[12:17] <douglas> use /dev/psaux
[12:17] <Timerever> well going away now
[12:17] <Timerever> bye
[12:19] <murf> crimsun: nothing in cat /dev/input/mice when i move the mouse
[12:19] <HcE> murf: you say it's a ps2 mouse, and you use /dev/input/mice ?
[12:20] <crimsun> what about douglas's /dev/psaux?
[12:20] <HcE> I thought that was for USB
[12:20] <crimsun> HcE: it's device-neutral
[12:20] <HcE> mhm, /dev/psaux would be my choice
[12:20] <murf> there is no such device psaux, so i create psaux via MAKEDEV ....
[12:20] <HcE> crw-------  1 root root 10, 1 2002-10-08 14:03 /dev/psaux
[12:23] <douglas> yep
[12:23] <douglas> /dev/psaux is working on my machine
[12:23] <mjg59> psaux is just a repeater for input/mice in 2.6
[12:24] <mjg59> You'll get exactly the same thing out of the two of them
[12:24] <HcE> oh
[12:24] <magnon> murf: you're on ubuntu? makedev won't help you since there's udev
[12:26] <murf> magnon: nop i install ubuntu and there is no udev
[12:29] <murf> hmmm psaux doesnt work either :-(
[12:37] <murf> mjg59: so why it doesn't work when i use psaux or mice ?
[12:38] <adnans> anyone else experiencing broken xorg on hoary?
[12:44] <rico_k> zdar. je tu niekto z ciech alebo slovenska ?
[12:44] <alexissoft> coucou
[12:46] <adnans> ah ok
[12:49] <chibifs> Does anyone here use gmail? o_o;
[12:54] <daniels> (yeah, X is broken in hoary, fix on the way)
[12:56] <berceco> Does anyone know what will happen if i boot with the noacpi option ??
[12:58] <Mabus> greetings! I'm running on the latest xorg packages from hoary, and I'm having a bit of trouble starting X. It claims the bitmap and pcidata modules don't exist. Any thoughts ?
[12:59] <daniels> Mabus: fix is on the way
[12:59] <scizzo> hi daniels
[12:59] <daniels> yo
[12:59] <Mabus> daniels: oh, great! A couple of hours, or ?
[01:00] <daniels> Mabus: hopefully 2h
[01:00] <Mabus> very good
[01:03] <Shufla> hello :)
[01:04] <scizzo> hi
[01:04] <Shufla> I'd like to start polish documentation in ubuntu... am I allowed to setup wiki's PolishDocumentation page and add there pages with docs in polish?
[01:09] <Tomcat_> Shufla: I'm pretty sure you can do that.
[01:10] <Tomcat_> There's already GermanDocumentation, so I see no problems.
[01:11] <Shufla> great :D
[01:12] <Shufla> where are guidelines for fresh commiters to wiki?
[01:12] <Shufla> (my inet connection is slow and browsing web is painful, sorry :( )
[01:23] <Pozac> Is xorg broken everywhere or just here? :(
[01:23] <Ribs> works here
[01:23] <Shufla> work[ed]  here
[01:24] <Ribs> did you just upgrade?
[01:24] <Pozac> yeah
[01:24] <Pozac> yesterday
[01:24] <Ribs> hoary, right?
[01:24] <Pozac> now I'm missing base modules like pcidata and bitmap
[01:24] <Pozac> of course :)
[01:24] <Ribs> right, thanks for telling me
[01:25] <Ribs> I think I might go back to Warty now
[01:25] <Ribs> The backports project is looking good
[01:25] <scizzo> it is suppose to be fixed later today
[01:26] <Pozac> cool
[01:26] <scizzo> in a few hours or so
[01:26] <scizzo> and hoary == development so things will break
[01:26] <Pozac> yeah, I know
[01:26] <Pozac> thanks :)
[01:27] <xevil> my experience with Debian unstable was similar to yours Pozac... something was always broken
[01:27] <Ribs> That's why it's called unstable :)
[01:27] <xevil> no doubt...
[01:27] <Pozac> This is the first problem I've had with Hoary :)
[01:28] <foxfuz> hi *
[01:28] <Pozac> So I'm not complaining.
[01:28] <Pozac> hi
[01:29] <Pozac> + download over dialup
[01:30] <scizzo> Pozac: oo..that is a nice one
[01:31] <scizzo> Pozac: sitting counting money while downloading
[01:31] <xevil> Pozac I feel your pain... I'm in "the sticks" as well stuck with a dialup :(
[01:31] <Pozac> :)
[01:32] <Pozac> So who can suggest me an console activity for the next couple of hours sin ce I won't be X'ing? :)
[01:32] <xevil> Pozac boggle?
[01:33] <Pozac> boggle?
[01:33] <xevil> Pozac word puzzles
[01:34] <xevil> it's in the bsdgames package
[01:34] <Pozac> ohthanks, vil
[01:34] <Pozac> xevil, even.
[01:34] <Pozac> This is my first time with xchat-text.
[01:35] <xevil> hangman is in there as well
[01:36] <scizzo> Pozac: irssi is nice.. :)
[01:36] <xevil> or epic
[01:37] <xevil> I alternate between epic and bitchx
[01:37] <Pozac> I've used epic and bx in the past
[01:39] <Pozac> From where do I get irssi?
[01:39] <Auke> Pozac: apt-get?
[01:40] <xevil> it's in ubuntu's repository
[01:40] <Pozac> It has no installation candidate. :( What does that mean?
[01:41] <Pozac> The worst thing about Ubuntu is the inherited lame debian error msgs :(
[01:41] <Shufla> Pozac: apt-cache search irssi?
[01:42] <Pozac> oh
[01:42] <Shufla> Pozac: 'cos irssi in console is irssi-text, not irssi
[01:42] <Pozac> thanks, Shufla :)
[01:42] <Shufla> n/p
[01:43] <Shufla> support@work support@home :D
[01:43] <Pozac> Thats the spirit :)
[01:44] <Shufla> i hope that hoary will be mature enough to implement it as main workstation in company i'm working for :D
[01:45] <Shufla> eh, brb
[01:47] <Shufla> re :D
[01:47] <Pozac> Shufla: Yeah, Hoary is coming along nicely.. Can hardly wait till April.
[01:48] <xevil> is that the release date for Hoary?
[01:48] <ruben> is it normal that xorg breaks after an upgrade?
[01:48] <Shufla> Pozac: Huh... But I won't implement it :( Linux in general is to...geek-like for ordinary secretary. But Ubuntu will change it shortly :D
[01:48] <ruben> my X is completely dead
[01:48] <Shufla> ruben, did you upgrade warty->hoary?
[01:48] <ruben> it can't load the modules pcidata & bitmap
[01:48] <ruben> Shufla: I have been running hoary for a while now
[01:48] <daniels> ruben: no, but a fix is about to be uploaded, will be in the archive within 2h
[01:49] <ruben> after this morning's upgrade, it died
[01:49] <xevil> ruben yours and otheres as well... it a broken package
[01:49] <Shufla> ruben, well, velkom in world of instability :D
[01:49] <ruben> daniels: ok, great
[01:49] <ruben> Shufla: I'm coming from gentoo, hoary is incredibly stable :D
[01:49] <Auke> heh lucky me for downgrading hoary -> warthy then :-)
[01:49] <chand> ruben : https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4797
[01:49] <Shufla> ruben, but it may change in any time - that's diffrent with gentoo :D
[01:49] <ruben> This means I have 2 hours of study up ahead then ;)
[01:50] <Shufla> i'm running warty right now with backported firefox-1.0 from hoary :D
[01:50] <chand> ruebn downgrade xserver-xorg package or rebuild xorg ;)
[01:50] <chand> ruben worry
[01:50] <chand> who
[01:50] <chand> s/worry/sorry
[01:50] <Auke> say, those of you who know hoary and warthy both have seen the difference in the default panels right? ( applications|computer vs. applications|locations|system)
[01:51] <ruben> nah, I can live with the breakage for a while ;)
[01:51] <ruben> Auke: uhu
[01:51] <Shufla> Auke, yes, it was disscussed on -devel list. they want to make better and more understandalbe structure of menu
[01:51] <Auke> ruben: any clue where I can find this menu configuration?
[01:52] <Auke> I think ubuntu is doing great in that aspect... I just didn't like the locations bar so i'd like to strip it out
[01:52] <shoka> May be obvious, but do I get  Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: from Ubunto Warty when trying to start a remote X session, but the same host works fine from Fedora 3.
[01:52] <shoka> why do I dooh
[01:52] <Shufla> shoka, you sshed to remote host?
[01:52] <shoka> yep
[01:52] <Shufla> shoka, try to ssh -X, works?
[01:52] <chand> u need to use ssh -X host or ssh -Y with latest ssh
[01:53] <daniels> does anyone here run amd64?
[01:53] <Auke> -Y ?
[01:53] <chand> and check if X11Forwading is set to yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[01:53] <Auke> chand: that's only for accepting ssh connections, not for making them
[01:54] <chand> The behavior of ssh clients that are invoked with the -X flag has changed. In OpenSSH 3.8 and later, X11 forwarding is performed in a way that applications run as untrusted clients by default
[01:54] <Auke> chand: as in, that way you enable others to use -X to _your_ machine
[01:54] <chand> To forward X11 so that applications are run as trusted clients, invoke ssh with the -Y flag instead of the -X flag, or set ForwardX11Trusted in the ~/.ssh/config file.
[01:54] <chand> Auke : ok
[01:54] <Shufla>  man ssh | grep 'Enables X11 forwarding'
[01:55] <Auke> chand: it's ssh*D*_config remember :-P
[01:55] <shoka> Ta, thats a fix :) :) :). When did that happen, and why?
[01:55] <ruben> there's a bug in the locations bar imho
[01:55] <Auke> shoka: I think it's a difference in the default ssh-client configuration in ubuntu and fedora
[01:56] <ruben> It opens mounted FTP's with firefox instead of nautilus
[01:56] <Auke> chand: and do you know the technical difference between trusted and untrusted clients?
[01:56] <Auke> lol
[01:57] <Shufla> blah... i cannot type uppercase polish letters... and i've forgot solution :(
[01:58] <shoka> Thanks all superb service, back to playing with remote Ethereal
[01:59] <chand> ;)
[02:00] <Auke> ruben: do you know which file contains the 'Applications | COmputer' menu items in my panel?
[02:01] <erich> Auke: this is not a single file, but comes from .desktop files IIRC
[02:01] <erich> Auke: so when a new program is installed it will just drop another .desktop file there and appears in the menu
[02:01] <ruben> there is some file in /etc, but as erich said, it's mainly from the .desktop
[02:01] <Auke> hmm.. I assumed it was somewhere in /usr/share or something, because it's the same for all users
[02:01] <chand> Auke : all clients are trusted ;)
[02:02] <Auke> chand: so there is no real difference between -X and -Y :P that's rich
[02:03] <Auke> and I can see the strategey with .desktop files.. but if I want to make a change _above_ that level, for instance add a menu next to applications and computer?
[02:04] <Shufla> ok :D
[02:04] <Shufla> oldie go to university :D
[02:04] <Shufla> have a nice day :D
[02:04] <ruben> Auke: my guess wil be: /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/
[02:04] <erich> Auke: i think they are hardcoded in the panel source these menus. You can of course add panel folders, or add some separate applet.
[02:04] <ruben> however, i'm not sure if this is used with gnome-menus
[02:04] <erich> ruben: bad guess i'd expect. this is about VFS
[02:04] <ruben> i'm not at all familiar with the panel config
[02:05] <Auke> hmm.. could be hard-coded.. that would explain why I could find it
[02:05] <ruben> erich: applications are defined in some file (atleast, that's what it looks like at first sight)
[02:06] <Pozac> whats this about a new menu spec in the new gnome-panel?
[02:06] <erich> ruben: these files do the opposite - map the virtual file system applications:// to reflect the menus contents
[02:06] <Auke> I get the feeling that <somewhere> they define that applications and computer should show up, and then /usr/share/applications/*.desktop specify what's in those...
[02:07] <Pozac> Auke: gconf maybe?
[02:07] <ruben> erich: hmmm, interesting, my aplications:// has been dead for ages though
[02:08] <erich> Auke: /usr/share/applications
[02:08] <erich> Auke: IIRC these files are used to make the menu
[02:08] <Auke> erich: indeed, I change / add those if I want new entries in a menu
[02:09] <Auke> erich: however, this time I'd like to add a whole new menu
[02:09] <erich> dpkg -L gnome-panel
[02:10] <erich> must be one of these, or maybe in gnome-panel-data
[02:11] <Auke> ...
[02:11] <Auke> it's a bloody miracle that whole gnome menu even works
[02:11] <ruben> Auke:
[02:11] <ruben> try this: /etc/xdg/menus/
[02:12] <Auke> don't have that one
[02:12] <ruben> you don't have gnome-menus installed?
[02:12] <ruben> the new menu depends on that one
[02:13] <Pozac> ruben: He needs hoary and the newest gnome-panel for that.
[02:13] <Auke> the package doesnt even exist in my repository (warthy)
[02:13] <ruben> ohhh
[02:13] <Pozac> xdg = freedesktop.org
[02:13] <ruben> i thought you wanted to edit the new panel
[02:13] <Pozac> somehow
[02:13] <ruben> the old one is a source patch afaik
[02:14] <Auke> (ask)
[02:14] <Auke> (aFk)
[02:15] <hazza96> how do you set a different wallpaper for each workspace?
[02:16] <umarmung> hazza96, gnome can't do this, you have to install an app like wallpapoz
[02:16] <Pozac> ls
[02:16] <Pozac> duh
[02:17] <hazza96> bugger
[02:17] <hazza96> KDE can
[02:17] <hazza96> :)
[02:17] <Pozac> Gnome is not a toy
[02:17] <hazza96> lol
[02:17] <Pozac> You have to have a valid use for a computer to use Gnome.
[02:17] <Pozac> :)
[02:18] <scizzo> hazza96: actually..that is nautilus
[02:19] <hazza96> huh?
[02:19] <scizzo> nautilus sets the wallpaper
[02:19] <hazza96> oh
[02:19] <hazza96> and what is nautilus?
[02:20] <Pozac> the crappy broken filemanager that sets the wallpaper
[02:20] <Pozac> :)
[02:20] <scizzo> filemanager that is built into gnome...
[02:20] <scizzo> but nautilus handles the look of the desktop also...
[02:20] <lupus_> like explorer.exe in winhoos :)
[02:21] <Pozac> except not as much
[02:21] <hazza96> what else can you use on Ubuntu if Nautilus is so crappy
[02:21] <Pozac> Your computer will function without it.
[02:21] <scizzo> the application to set the wallpaper is gnome...but nautilus makes it show on the desktop
[02:21] <scizzo> what is wrong with nautilus?
[02:21] <scizzo> I like nautilus
[02:21] <scizzo> works just fine
[02:21] <Pozac> so do I
[02:21] <Pozac> yup
[02:21] <Pozac> it's gotten a lot better in the last couple of years
[02:22] <scizzo> Pozac: so why is it crappy? like you said?
[02:22] <hazza96> (23:20:04) Pozac: the crappy broken filemanager that sets the wallpaper
[02:22] <Pozac> nonetheless it's the least crappy filemanager
[02:22] <Pozac> they all need a lot of stuff totally unrelated to file managing
[02:22] <Auke> "all file browsers suck, this one just sucks less"
[02:23] <hazza96> why can't a new user run Synaptic but the original user can
[02:23] <scizzo> hazza96: because the first user has sudo rights
[02:23] <Pozac> edit /etc/sudoers
[02:23] <scizzo> hazza96: sudo visudo
[02:24] <Pozac> oh well
[02:24] <Auke> Pozac: make sure to use 'visudo' ;)
[02:24] <scizzo> Pozac: you need visudo for that
[02:24] <Pozac> scizzo: And here I've been nano -w'ing it always
[02:24] <Auke> I usually do something like %wheel: ALL= NOPASSWD: ALL
[02:24] <Pozac> gosh darn.
[02:24] <Pozac> Yeah, I do what Auke does too.
[02:25] <Pozac> So why do I need to use visudo?
[02:26] <Pozac> oh
[02:26] <Pozac> locking and stuff. Sorry for asking.
[02:26] <scizzo> Pozac: ls -l /etc/sudoers
[02:26] <Auke> and checking mostly
[02:26] <scizzo> Pozac: man sudo
[02:26] <Pozac> (stupid man and all it's answers)
[02:26] <Auke> ghehe... imagine the impact of making a small typo in a production system :P
[02:27] <scizzo> Pozac: can also look at man visudo
[02:28] <Pozac> scizzo: just did.
[02:30] <hazza96> visudo is much easier, you don't have to chmod the file or even change into the /etc dir
[02:31] <Pozac> Enjoy.
[02:31] <Auke> yay :)
[02:32] <Auke> anyone know the release date of KotoR ] [ ?
[02:32] <Auke> (PC version?)
[02:32] <Auke> ghe, ok, ok, I get the point- its a linux-world :P ok, see ya
[02:35] <lupus_> does anyoneknow a way to let python show which functions that I'm using on my project are deprecated
[02:36] <douglas> it does it automatic
[02:36] <douglas> when you use a deprecated function it shows you in a warning
[02:37] <lupus_> hmm weird
[02:37] <lupus_> when I use the String.replace function
[02:37] <lupus_> I seem to have never gotten any errors about this
[02:37] <douglas> wich is your python version ?
[02:38] <lupus_> first python 2.3
[02:38] <lupus_> now python 2.4 but haven't tested with that
[02:39] <douglas> im using py 2.4
[02:40] <lupus_> my project uses python-gnome2
[02:40] <douglas> yep
[02:40] <lupus_> so I have to wait till that is available for 2.4
[02:40] <douglas> and it just python 2.3
[02:40] <douglas> hehehe
[02:41] <lupus_> this is my project: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-schedule/src/
[02:42] <lupus_> but like I said it didn't said to me the String.replace was deprecrated (I had to read it in the manual :p)
[02:43] <douglas> im testing that now
[02:44] <lupus_> K :)
[02:50] <douglas> hey lupus
[02:50] <douglas> i was wrong
[02:50] <douglas> try python -W
[02:51] <lupus_> k thx
[02:51] <douglas> okz
[02:55] <marais> hi :))
[02:55] <douglas> hi :)
[02:56] <marais> I've got a question but I don't know id it's the right place to expose it
[02:56] <marais> :)
[02:56] <Gwildor> try here
[02:56] <marais> thks a lot :)
[02:56] <Gwildor> :)
[02:56] <marais> I've got installed in my computer w2000 and ubuntu
[02:56] <marais> each one in one partition
[02:56] <Gwildor> ok
[02:56] <marais> w2000 was ok until I installed ubuntu..
[02:57] <marais> qhen I try to start it apprears a message saying:
[02:57] <marais> disk e (the one con ubuntu) is with a systems file fat32
[02:57] <marais> the systema starts checking it and dos not let me init w2000
[02:58] <marais> it starts but at a certain point gets stopped..
[02:58] <marais> exactly at the point after configuring net connexions
[03:07] <Pozac> marais: If windows fails checking it, the disc is probably broken.
[03:07] <marais> mnnn
[03:07] <marais> but it's this disk:)
[03:08] <Pozac> or did the check complete?
[03:08] <Pozac> yes
[03:08] <marais> I have no problems in linux
[03:08] <marais> the check gets completed
[03:08] <Pozac> hmm
[03:08] <marais> after there is a notice very short that i can never read
[03:08] <marais> and then starts initing
[03:09] <marais> very slowly but it does it
[03:09] <Pozac> can you start windows failsafe?
[03:09] <marais> sip:)
[03:09] <marais> that I can do..
[03:09] <Pozac> Somewhere there is an option to reboot on errors... Not sure where though :(
[03:09] <marais> yes I do :)
[03:09] <marais> F8
[03:10] <Pozac> turning that off will prevent the machine from rebooting immidiatly so you can read the error
[03:10] <marais> mnnn
[03:10] <marais> I will try...
[03:10] <Pozac> You should have asked me pre-Ubuntu :(
[03:10] <marais> I could start the machine though in safe way mode
[03:10] <hazza96> I have found the font handling in Gnome on Ubuntu is much much better than KDE on Mandrake
[03:11] <marais> thanks a lot again Pozac :)
[03:11] <Pozac> no problem, sorry I couldnt help further
[03:12] <marais> :)
[03:13] <lupus_> that ms does this is total crap
[03:13] <lupus_> there solution for the blue windows :p
[03:13] <lupus_> reboot :)
[03:13] <marais> jajajajaja
[03:13] <Pozac> hazza96: If you got nothing to do the next 10-16 weeks, I recommend you try out gentoo. I've had my best font results there, after moderate tweaking.
[03:13] <marais> yes :)
[03:13] <Pozac> agreed :)
[03:13] <lupus_> marais, dutch? :P
[03:13] <marais> nop :)
[03:13] <marais> spanish
[03:13] <lupus_> in my language ja = yes
[03:14] <marais> ahhh oki :)
[03:15] <Pozac> Man, I could sure go for an updated xorg package right about now.
[03:15] <lupus_> why? :)
[03:15] <Pozac> It's broken in hoary :(
[03:15] <lupus_> haven't noticed any problems
[03:16] <lupus_> other gnome stuff is broken :s
[03:16] <Pozac> So you don't get the missing base modules error?
[03:16] <hazza96> Pozac: i have started then abandonded installing Gentoo 10-15 times
[03:17] <lupus_> oh crap :)
[03:17] <lupus_> I haven't restart C
[03:17] <lupus_> X
[03:17] <Pozac> hazza96: Well, you need the 10-16 weeks.
[03:17] <lupus_> after todays update
[03:17] <hazza96> I have Ubuntu running fine thanks
[03:17] <Pozac> lupus_: I recommend you keep her humming then. :)
[03:17] <lupus_> bleh :S
[03:17] <hazza96> It only took me two days because I was living in a Mnadrake world before that
[03:18] <hazza96> I get much better FPS on Ubuntu in Americas Army
[03:18] <hazza96> even on the older drivers
[03:19] <Pozac> I havent tried the newer Mandrakes, but the older ones I've tried sure sure weren't lean.
[03:19] <Pozac> -/+ sure.
[03:19] <Pozac> Ubuntu is lean and sweet.
[03:19] <lupus_> I was a slackware user before ubuntu
[03:20] <lupus_> and before that fedora
[03:21] <Pozac> btw, does anyone know when we will start seeing some of the recent boot optimizations in ubuntu?
[03:21] <Pozac> 30 second boot is a wonderful thing.
[03:23] <lexhider> pozac: hoary which will ship in April.
[03:24] <Pozac> lexhider: Yeah well, I'm using hoary now.
[03:25] <Pozac> Perhaps I'm just used to the gentoo way of a day or two from action to results. :)
[03:25] <lexhider> pozac: sorry, I had assumed that stuff was in hoary already. I'm currently upgrading to hoary so I don't know.
[03:27] <Pozac> lexhider: Enjoy the upgrade, lots of exciting new software :)
[03:27] <odo> Is hoary like debian sid? meaning, is everything every now and then broken? ;P
[03:28] <lexhider> odo: yes, AFAIK
[03:28] <marais> how do you update?
[03:28] <odo> lexhider: ok
[03:28] <Mabus> Xorg is broken in hoary atm, for example.
[03:29] <Pozac> I believe they try hard to keep it working though
[03:29] <odo> I will most likely upgrade to hoary when it is released as stable...I rather have working system with older packages...
[03:29] <odo> especially on a laptop, I want a system that I don't have to be repairing all the time...
[03:29] <Pozac> odo: That's what people who run win98 say.
[03:29] <Pozac> :)
[03:30] <odo> haha
[03:30] <lexhider> ubuntu releases every 6 months so you can expect the development branch to break early on in the cycle and to be pretty stable later on.
[03:30] <odo> I used Gentoo up until 2 days ago on my laptop...it was a nightmare ;P
[03:30] <Pozac> This is the only update that has left my laptop broken
[03:31] <Pozac> odo: I even bought a 7200 rpm disc for my ThinkPad X21 because of Gentoo.
[03:31] <odo> :)
[03:31] <odo> I decided that Gentoo is more trouble than its worth :)
[03:31] <Pozac> Ditto :)
[03:31] <odo> But I still run it on my fileserver
[03:31] <Pozac> I installed ubuntu in my workstation a couple of months ago - an hour later I switched my laptop too
[03:32] <urdalen> ;)
[03:32] <Pozac> odo: it's easier when you don't run ~x86 ;)
[03:33] <odo> it is
[03:34] <odo> gentoo was good about a year ago...now portage is too bloated and almost every emerge -u world gets something broken
[03:34] <Pozac> I miss the compiling sometimes though
[03:35] <Pozac> odo: And now Ubuntu takes the cake.
[03:35] <Pozac> root__: You should log in as a user.
[03:36] <root__> woops, if that's me
[03:36] <Pozac> it is
[03:37] <Pozac> rturner: Much better. :)
[03:37] <rturner> hi, I just upgraded hoary, which contained an xorg update, now the xserver can't find modules bitmap and pcidata, any ideas?
[03:37] <Pozac> It's known
[03:37] <rturner> Pozac , thanks for the root tip off :)
[03:37] <Pozac> An hour or more I believe.
[03:37] <rturner> ok good news
[03:38] <rturner> Pozac , thanks
[03:38] <Pozac> rturner: I'm also IRC'ing in text mode because of this. ;)
[03:38] <rturner> hehe :)
[03:39] <odo> ok, I got to go now, bbl
[03:39] <Pozac> rturner: It should be possible to install the previous version, if you're impatient.
[03:39] <Pozac> Not sure exactly how, though.
[03:40] <rturner> i'm ok, I know these guys won't take long to fix
[03:40] <rturner> Pozac , there's something very minamalist and satisfying about text mode :)
[03:41] <rturner> Pozac  what does that mean?
[03:41] <Pozac> rturner: Indeed. Also, bitchX is very oldschool. :)
[03:41] <rturner> what VERSION
[03:41] <u> hi, anyone can tell me why sometime i can't read floppy, I have a "Unable to mount the selected volume" when i double click the floppy 1 ?
[03:41] <Pozac> rturner: I was recommended irssi-text
[03:42] <rturner> Pozac : it was the only one i could remember offhand, has a very memorable name
[03:42] <Pozac> rturner: lol, yeah. And a cool icon, if you've seen that.
[03:42] <rturner> Pozac , so what's the state of the art in irc clients, usually when i have X i use xchat?
[03:43] <rturner> ah ok
[03:43] <Pozac> rturner: I use xchat too, or Gaim, when I'm the gay-smiley-acceptance-mood.
[03:45] <miausX> hi :)
[03:45] <Pozac> rturner: irssi is quite cool, actually. Might try the X version, when I get my X back.
[03:45] <Pozac> hi miausX :)
[03:45] <daniels> Pozac: you know you can disable the smileys in gaim?
[03:45] <miausX> hia Pozac! ;D
[03:45] <rturner> Pozac , I'll remember the name, I'm not a big irc user tho
[03:46] <rturner> Pozac, only when the system fries :)
[03:46] <miausX> Pozac, irssi rocks :)
[03:46] <Pozac> daniels: I can? Sweet.
[03:46] <Mabus> Pozac:  you can also download other smiley sets.
[03:46] <Pozac> I'll be sure to check that out soon.
[03:47] <Pozac> Mabus: I currently don't have an emoticon for how I'm feeling.
[03:47] <Pozac> ;)
[03:47] <Mabus> hehe :)
[03:47] <miausX> hum, I need MySQL Administrator (mysql-admin in Debian Sid). Can I install it with dpkg -i or that is dangerous? there is a binary package ready to use in the mysql homepage too :)
[03:48] <Pozac> hmm
[03:48] <Pozac> Have you checked universe and multiverse?
[03:49] <Pozac> It's in hoary.
[03:49] <miausX> yep, both Pozac :)
[03:49] <miausX> hum... I'm in warty... I'm thinking about to install hoary package :)
[03:49] <Pozac> miausX: Try googling for backports
[03:49] <miausX> oks :D
[03:49] <u> hi, anyone can tell me why sometime i can't read floppy, I have a "Unable to mount the selected volume" when i double click the floppy 1 ?
[03:50] <miausX> thank you Pozac!
[03:50] <Pozac> np
[03:50] <miausX> Pozac, here is a shot --> http://www.mysql.com/products/administrator/mysqladmin_health_linux-small.png
[03:50] <Pozac> u: Isnt there an "advanced"-button or something?
[03:50] <miausX> looks great! :D
[03:50] <Pozac> miausX: My X is broken :(
[03:50] <miausX> oh, oks :)
[03:51] <u> Pozac: i dont see any advance bouton?
[03:51] <miausX> Pozac, problems with the X package in hoary?
[03:51] <u> button*
[03:51] <Pozac> miausX: Yes, daniels is working on it.
[03:51] <miausX> aha, oks :))
[03:52] <miausX> oh, daniels is a Ubuntu developer? great job, daniels... THANK YOU :D
[03:52] <Pozac> u: hmm.. There should be a button or something to tell you more about why not.
[03:53] <u> look , i took a screenshot
[03:53] <miausX> DJCarras, holas! tu tambien con ono? ;)
[03:53] <Pozac> u: Did you just pull out the last floppy or unmount it first?
[03:53] <u> i really cant read a floppy
[03:53] <DJCarras> ea
[03:53] <u> dont know why
[03:53] <DJCarras> lo "bueno" abunda
[03:53] <DJCarras> no?
[03:54] <miausX> jajajajaja XD
[03:54] <u> maybe just pull it?
[03:54] <DJCarras> XDD
[03:54] <Pozac> I havent had a floppy drive for years, because they are stupid and lame and small. :)
[03:54] <miausX> Pozac, usb stick! :D
[03:54] <Pozac> I think you need to unmount it first
[03:54] <u> yep, but still useful some time
[03:54] <Pozac> miausX: I hear that.
[03:54] <u> ok ! but if i didnt do it, how do i fix it now?
[03:55] <Pozac> sudo umount -f /mnt/floppy
[03:55] <Pozac> I think
[03:55] <miausX> u, can you mount it from the terminal?
[03:55] <miausX> O.o
[03:55] <mathieu__> sorry, i got disconnet
[03:55] <mathieu__> lol, im U
[03:55] <mathieu__> :P
[03:55] <mathieu__> mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[03:56] <Pozac> hehe
[03:56] <Pozac> oh
[03:56] <Pozac> is it formatted?
[03:56] <womp> Pozac: don't forget slow
[03:56] <mathieu__> thats what i get when i try to read a floppy
[03:56] <womp> ;)
[03:56] <Pozac> womp: Right. And noise and fragile.
[03:56] <mathieu__> all floppy i tried have this error
[03:56] <DJCarras> pos eso
[03:56] <Pozac> try mount -t fat /mnt/floppy
[03:56] <mathieu__> yesterday i have been able to read a disk
[03:57] <miausX> hummmm
[03:57] <DJCarras> try mount -t auto /dev/fd0
[03:57] <lexhider> isn't it vfat?
[03:57] <Pozac> for floppies?
[03:57] <mathieu__> with a floppy in or not?
[03:57] <Pozac> in
[03:57] <miausX>   $ sudo -s
[03:57] <miausX>   # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0/
[03:57] <miausX> that is :)
[03:57] <Pozac> ok then
[03:57] <DJCarras> for example
[03:57] <DJCarras> :d
[03:58] <DJCarras> :XD
[03:58] <DJCarras> ups
[03:58] <miausX> :D
[03:58] <DJCarras> XDD
[03:58] <Pozac> Doesn't it usually autodetect vfat?
[03:58] <DJCarras> yes
[03:58] <mathieu__> mount -t auto /dev/fd0 = i have to be root, but i'm root, im the only user
[03:58] <mathieu__> ?
[03:58] <miausX> Pozac, yes, but it fails with some floppies, I don't know why :)
[03:58] <DJCarras> mount -t /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[03:58] <Pozac> mathieu__: sudo mount -t auto /dev/fd0
[03:58] <DJCarras> ups
[03:59] <DJCarras> mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[03:59] <Pozac> mathieu__: sudo is what ubuntu uses to gain root priviliges.
[03:59] <miausX> yep
[03:59] <Pozac> Read more on ubuntulinux.org
[03:59] <mathieu__> ok
[03:59] <miausX> mathieu__, type whoami in a terminal :)
[04:00] <Pozac> The root user is only accesible through sudo
[04:00] <miausX> before and after to type sudo -s
[04:00] <imka> hi
[04:00] <Pozac> You can set a root password if you want to enable the root user
[04:00] <Pozac> hi imka
[04:00] <mathieu__> ho, i know im real newbi, i start learning linux like a week or two
[04:00] <imka> i have a strange problem in gnome.
[04:00] <mathieu__> so
[04:00] <mathieu__> sorry if i'm that noob
[04:00] <miausX> Pozac, yes, sudo for execute a single command, sudo -s tu start a session as root (pipes, redirections, etc)
[04:00] <Pozac> mathieu__: It's cool to be noob
[04:00] <miausX> yeah :D
[04:00] <Pozac> miausX: neat.
[04:01] <imka> i've installed skype, and when i start it (most of the time), its icon is not in the tray but on the desktop
[04:01] <Pozac> miausX: I've been using the old sudo su - trick
[04:01] <miausX> hehehe, I use sudo -s, when I finish CTRL+d and all done :)
[04:01] <rturner> if you just give the root a password you can login as root, or something like that, can't remember
[04:01] <mathieu__> miausX, thanks, that works
[04:01] <mathieu__> :P
[04:01] <miausX> imka, sorry, no idea about skipe :S
[04:01] <rturner> but it was easy
[04:02] <mathieu__> thanks a lot
[04:02] <miausX> mathieu__, no prob ;)
[04:02] <Pozac> imka: I don't know skype, but there has been a couple of different ways the tray has been handled. skype --help perhaps ?
[04:02] <Pozac> rturner: yup
[04:02] <imka> skype is great, but the only problem is that it's qt
[04:02] <imka> Pozac i check
[04:02] <miausX> mathieu__, don't forget to umount the floppy BEFORE remove it from the drive! :)
[04:02] <intinig> Hello all
[04:03] <miausX> hi intinig!
[04:03] <intinig> After yesterday's xorg update
[04:03] <Pozac> Its known
[04:03] <miausX> lol! this channel grows from day to day :D
[04:03] <Pozac> an hour or so
[04:03] <intinig> I can't get a gui anymore :)
[04:03] <Pozac> intinig: Missing bitmap and pcidata?
[04:03] <intinig> Pozac yep. Known problem?
[04:03] <daniels> i just uploaded x.org, if you dist-upgrade in two hours or so it'll be fixed
[04:03] <Pozac> intinig: Yup, an hour or so.
[04:03] <Pozac> two hours or so.
[04:03] <intinig> Cool, thanks guys
[04:03] <Pozac> ;)
[04:04] <miausX> :D
[04:04] <intinig> I know I don't have to worry
[04:04] <intinig> with ubuntu :)
[04:04] <daniels> yeah, lost connection for a while, turned out the wired network here is totally stuffed
[04:04] <daniels> but wireless works fine, go figure
[04:04] <miausX> hehehehe
[04:04] <intinig> kudos to the python guy that fixed python orbit too
[04:05] <DJCarras> weno gente
[04:05] <miausX> oh, talking about python... yesterday I found txt2tags, beautiful program :))
[04:05] <DJCarras> uno q se marcha
[04:05] <miausX> ta hora DJCarras :)
[04:05] <DJCarras> ciaoooo
[04:05] <intinig> ciao
[04:05] <DJCarras> byeeeeee
[04:05] <Pozac> daniels: Any idea about when mono will be back?
[04:06] <miausX> hum, mono come's from ximian?
 I tried to unmount the floppy before removing it, but i got error. "unable to unmount... " ?
[04:07] <mathieu__> :)
[04:07] <Pozac> I updated yesterday, and mono was removed
[04:07] <womp> miausX: miguel de icaza is the godfather of mono
[04:07] <intinig> I'll take a nap while I wait for xorg, thanks and goodbye to all
[04:07] <mathieu__> i know why :) i have to be root, so i'll go and do it in the term
[04:08] <viktor_> daniels: is X supposed to work now? cause I just ran update and dist-upgrade and still got the bitmap and pcidata errors...
[04:08] <Pozac> womp: and Gnome.
[04:08] <miausX> hahahahaha, that is... ximian logo is a monkey, and mono == monkey in spanish :D
[04:08] <Pozac> viktor_: 2 hours.
[04:09] <mathieu__> device is busy ? :)
[04:09] <womp> miausX: a ximian is a kind of monkey :D
[04:09] <miausX> Pozac, no no, Miguel de Icaza is the creator of Ximian Gnome, that is not Gnome :)
[04:09] <Pozac> miausX: And the original Gnome !!
[04:09] <miausX> womp, oh! I don't know that :D
[04:10] <mathieu__> How can i set me as root ?
[04:10] <miausX> Pozac, uh! I don't know that too ! :D
[04:10] <viktor_> Pozac, ah ok. I just came back to the machine seeing what daniels said without knowing what he said... :)
[04:10] <womp> mathieu__: why do you want to do that?
[04:10] <miausX> mathieu__, root -s --> begin a session as root and CTRL+d ends
[04:10] <Pozac> sudo -s
[04:10] <miausX> errrr... sudo -s, sorry :)
[04:10] <viktor_> Pozac, man I'm dumb. without knowing when he said it I meant..
[04:10] <Pozac> ;)
[04:10] <mathieu__> because i need to unmount the floppy
[04:10] <womp> Pozac: not really, gnome is a GNU project, it's not really miguel's pet ;)
[04:11] <daniels> viktor_: only when you get 6.8.1-1ubuntu8 in a dist-upgrade
[04:11] <daniels> Pozac: weird, I'm not sure, sorry
[04:11] <Pozac> viktor_: hehe ok... he said it 6-7 minutes ago :)
[04:11] <mathieu__> if i do it in terminal: root@ubuntu:~ # umount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[04:11] <mathieu__> umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[04:11] <mathieu__> ?
[04:11] <miausX> mathieu__, you are trying to umount the floppy from it is mounted
[04:12] <miausX> mathieu__, cd && umount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[04:12] <viktor_> daniels, ok. thanks. I guess I can revert to xfree or a cached version of xorg right?
[04:12] <mathieu__> ill try this
[04:12] <lexhider> lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2004-December/001116.html
[04:12] <mathieu__> but can you tell me what the cd && stand for?
[04:13] <Pozac> cd = move to home dir
[04:13] <Pozac> pwd
[04:13] <Pozac> = current dir.
[04:13] <lexhider> cd is the "change directory" command
[04:13] <miausX> cd --> go to your home directory and && is used to execute a command after the first
[04:13] <lexhider> && means logical and
[04:13] <Pozac> if your current dir is the floppy dir, it is in use by you.
[04:13] <miausX> yeah :)
[04:13] <mathieu__> ok
[04:13] <mathieu__> thanks :)
[04:13] <miausX> no prob ;)
[04:14] <mathieu__> but still do the same thing, device is busy
[04:14] <ivan> Hi - when I put a wifi caed in a laptop after I suitch on how do I get it to start?
[04:14] <Pozac> mathieu__: any nautilus windows open?
[04:14] <miausX> mathieu__, lsof /dev/fd0
[04:14] <mathieu__> nautilus ???
[04:14] <Pozac> mathieu__: file manager :)
[04:14] <miausX> lsof tells you what program are using the floppy device :)
[04:14] <mathieu__> no
[04:14] <miausX> Pozac, hehehe
[04:15] <Pozac> ;)
[04:15] <miausX> mathieu__, try lsof /dev/fd0
[04:15] <mathieu__> famd    2993 mathieu   26r   DIR    2,0 7168    1 /media/floppy0
[04:15] <mathieu__> thats the respond i got
[04:15] <Pozac> kill 2993
[04:15] <Pozac> :)
[04:15] <miausX> hum!!
[04:15] <miausX> I have an idea
[04:16] <mathieu__> lol, what is 2993 ?
[04:16] <Pozac> hehe
[04:16] <miausX> maybe it is out of that directory as root, but remains in it as user
[04:16] <Pozac> no
[04:16] <Pozac> fam just hangs because it is stupid
[04:16] <miausX> hahahahaha! lol
[04:16] <Pozac> fam is the File Alteration Monitor, which tells nautilus The File Manager when the files on the disc have changed
[04:16] <miausX> mathieu__, 2993 is the PID if famd (PID = proccess ID)
[04:17] <miausX> ups! SPLIT!!! to the barricade!!!
[04:17] <Pozac> It is supposed to let go of the files on the disc, but sometimes it gets confused and hangs
[04:17] <Pozac> mathieu__: When did you last upgrade your system?
[04:17] <anir> hi guys..
[04:18] <Pozac> hi
[04:18] <miausX> hi anir :)
[04:18] <mathieu__> never since i have linux installed
[04:18] <anir> may i ask for a help here
[04:18] <Synek> anir: sure :)
[04:18] <anir> hi misusx how are you
[04:18] <miausX> mathieu__, that is a BAD thing :)
[04:18] <mathieu__> ?
[04:18] <mathieu__> lol !
[04:18] <anir> miausx how are you
[04:18] <Pozac> mathieu__: You might want to open up synaptic and update it now.
[04:18] <miausX> anir, very well thanks! can I help you? :D
[04:18] <mathieu__> ok !
[04:18] <anir> hi pozac
[04:18] <mathieu__> i'll check to update !
[04:19] <Pozac> mathieu__: Lots of stupid erorrs and stuff gets fixed every day. If you don't update, you don't give people a chance to fix their errors before you run into them :)
[04:19] <miausX> mathieu__, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:19] <Pozac> synaptic is really a nice tool.
[04:20] <mathieu__> miausX: do you always use the terminal ?
[04:20] <miausX> Pozac, I love apt or aptitude (you know... I love console) :D
[04:20] <anir> anyone???
[04:20] <mathieu__> yep, that what i was thinking, synaptic
[04:20] <anir> knock knock..
[04:20] <miausX> mathieu__, no no, I'm in xchat and gnome right now, but I love the terminal :)
[04:20] <mathieu__> :)
[04:20] <mathieu__> yep
[04:20] <mathieu__> :)
[04:20] <miausX> anir, me! whats the problem?
[04:21] <mathieu__> ill try synaptic, and ill do it in console ! that way i'll learn to work with both of them
[04:21] <mathieu__> :)
[04:21] <miausX> hehehe, good :))
[04:21] <anir> miausx which software should i use to play mpeg files?
[04:22] <miausX> anir, oh, there is a page in the ubuntu wiki talking about that, give me one moment
[04:22] <anir> sure
[04:22] <mathieu__> Pozac: can you point me out where to update in synaptic ? :)
[04:22] <miausX> anir, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:23] <Pozac> mathieu__: The leftmost button in the toolbar gets a list of new software
[04:23] <Pozac> mathieu__: Then there's a "Mark all upgrades"-button and an "Apply"-button
[04:24] <anir> u got it miausx
[04:24] <miausX> anir, :D
[04:24] <mathieu__> Pozac: i did the left most button (Reload) , than i click mark all, but the apply button is gray and i cant click
[04:24] <mathieu__> ?
[04:24] <daniels> viktor_: yeah, xorg 6.8.1-1ubuntu6 is fine
[04:25] <miausX> Pozac, how is hoary? can I use it as a desktop?
[04:25] <Pozac> miausX: No, X is broken. :) But in 2 hours you can, no mono apps though.
[04:25] <miausX> oh no problem... :D
[04:25] <mathieu__> i think i update it yesterday without knowing it :) i install wine, so maybe i did an update at same time
[04:25] <Pozac> miausX: Overall the stability is on par or better than gentoo ~x86.
[04:25] <mathieu__> :)
[04:26] <miausX> Pozac, are there many problems?
[04:26] <Pozac> mathieu__: seems that you did :)
[04:26] <miausX> O.o WOW!!!
[04:26] <Pozac> miausX: no
[04:26] <njs12345> does anyone here have gdesklets working under hoary?
[04:26] <mathieu__> ok, :) great
[04:26] <Pozac> miausX: This X thing is my first problem.
[04:26] <miausX> :O
[04:26] <miausX> oh my god.... upgrading in two hours :D
[04:26] <miausX> Pozac, thanks, it rocks :D
[04:27] <Pozac> mathieu__: Then you should be good to go. In the development edition, which will be released in April, the FAM has been replaced.
[04:28] <mathieu__> ok, fam ?
[04:28] <mathieu__> :)
[04:28] <Pozac> mathieu__: You can use sudo /etc/init.d/fam restart
[04:28] <njs12345> Pozac: yeah, by gamin, right?
[04:28] <Pozac> mathieu__: to restart fam, so it releases your floppy.
[04:28] <Pozac> njs12345: yeah
[04:29] <scizzo> if anyone is interested gimp 2.2.0 is out
[04:29] <Pozac> njs12345: And it's called famd instead of fam.
[04:29] <mathieu__> ok, thanks pozac
[04:29] <mathieu__> what is FAM ?
[04:29] <njs12345> (F)ile (A)lteration (M)onitor
[04:29] <anir> where will i find 'libid3tad0'??
[04:30] <Pozac> mathieu__: It's the File Alteration Monitor, which notifies the File Manager when files have changed
[04:30] <njs12345> basically, lets programs know when a file has been changed or renamed et
[04:30] <anir> 'libid3tag0'
[04:30] <mathieu__> ok
[04:30] <Mabus> daniels: how long does it take for the upload to propagate to the server ?
[04:30] <miausX> Mabus, two hours?
[04:30] <Pozac> mathieu__: It is only supposed to be running when you have windows open, but sometimes it gets confused.
[04:30] <anir> hi denials where will i find 'libid3tag0'?
[04:30] <Pozac> miausX: Maybe we're down to an hour and a half
[04:31] <mathieu__> ok,
[04:31] <mathieu__> ill try to find out a bit more about this, ill re-mount the drive, open and close windows, try to find if still confused
[04:31] <colin_> I upgraded X in hoary and it's fubar
[04:31] <daniels> Mabus: i uploaded it a while ago, now it has to be noticed by the build daemons, built, and then mirrored to the public archive.  the process usually takes about 2h from start to finish -- there's a bit less than that now.
[04:31] <daniels> colin_: known issue, fix uploaded.
[04:31] <marsjays> anyone got WPA working? having some problems..
[04:31] <daniels> anir: just sudo apt-get install libid3tag0
[04:31] <colin_> daniels: roger
[04:31] <colin_> ty
[04:31] <Pozac> anir: apt-cache search libid3
[04:32] <Pozac> anir: Try that.
[04:32] <Pozac> how
[04:32] <Pozac> ow
[04:32] <Mabus> daniels: thanks alot. I'm looking forward to seeing if your holy smashing of the server affects start time or not :)
[04:33] <daniels> Mabus: a combination of making gdm start earlier plus the part of the 'holy smashing' that I've uploaded, plus another part of that to come yet, plus the cupsys work, plus ...
[04:33] <Mabus> ooo, I can't wait.
[04:33] <daniels> i still have gdm to upload, but that's going to wait until after the new year (my holidays apparently started two days ago)
[04:33] <Mabus> to bad 2.6.10-rc3-mm1 didn't work here, since it had the readahead stuff as well.
[04:34] <Mabus> hehe
[04:35] <miausX> lol
[04:35] <Pozac> Next up, Gnome startup.
[04:35] <Pozac> Any takers?
[04:35] <Pozac> It needs to be a lot faster.
[04:35] <cef> daniels: did you break xorg?
[04:35] <Mabus> daniels: I don't know if you're interested or not, but with 2.6.10-rc3-mm1, XOrg refused to start, saying that it couldn't lock the ~/.Xauthority file.
[04:35] <Mabus> just a general FYI.
[04:36] <daniels> cef: yeah
[04:36] <daniels> Mabus: um, weird
[04:36] <Mabus> (same .config as 2.6.10-rc2-mmX, which works)
[04:36] <cef> daniels: thought so! heh.. so when do we expect a fix?
[04:36] <daniels> Pozac: the two main issues that we profiled with gnome startup are the gtk icon cache (there's a patch in 2.6.x aiui) and just needing to do readahead for the session
[04:37] <miausX> lunch time! :D
[04:37] <daniels> cef: already uploaded, dude, get with the times :P
[04:37] <Pozac> yeah, scroll up.
[04:37] <daniels> cef: (i had *.so modules lying around from a previous install, so it worked for me)
[04:37] <Rhodan> hello all
[04:37] <cef> daniels: cool. what's the latest xorg now? (just upgrading a box from warty)
[04:37] <daniels> cef: 6.8.1-1ubuntu8, which is actually the entire 6.8.x branch
[04:38] <Pozac> daniels: I think I saw somewhere that nautilus sets a gconf value on startup, which makes gconf sync the ~/.gconf hiearchy
[04:38] <mathieu__> if i want to copy a file to a floppy, is this command correct: cp /home/mathieu/lsass.exe /dev/fd0?
[04:38] <njs12345> mathieu__: no
[04:38] <Rhodan> can anyone tell me how I can md5 check the ubuntu cd in windows ?
[04:38] <njs12345> you need to mount it first
[04:38] <Pozac> mathieu__: To the mount point :)
[04:38] <mathieu__> lol, ok
[04:38] <mathieu__> the device is mount
[04:38] <mathieu__> the floppy, i mean
[04:39] <cef> daniels: hrm.. I just did an update, and the repo's still say -1ubuntu7 is the latest.. doh!
[04:39] <Pozac> mathieu__: Everything is a file or folder. You mount the floppy file (which is really the floppy drive) onto the main filesystem somewhere you can find it, and access the files on it this way.
[04:39] <mathieu__> ok
[04:39] <Rhodan> anyone /
[04:39] <Pozac> mathieu__: /dev = This is where the device files are :)
[04:39] <mathieu__> ok :)
[04:40] <Pozac> Rhodan: Sorry, not me :(
[04:40] <mathieu__> yes. like, fd0 for the floppy
[04:40] <TheCan> hi. how does this work with the --added-version when builing a custom kernel? i want my new kernel to have a different version number from the old one
[04:40] <Rhodan> ok, sigh
[04:40] <umarmung> Rhodan, search for digestIT
[04:40] <cef> daniels: trying to create a dev box.. since I am actually officially on holidays, perhaps I can get some shit done *grin*
[04:40] <mathieu__> what would be the correct command for what i need
[04:40] <daniels> cef: yeah, hasn't built on the buildds yet
[04:40] <daniels> cef: heh
[04:41] <Pozac> mathieu__: I cannot remember where you mounted it. If you type 'mount' with no arguments, it will tell you what is mounted
[04:41] <Pozac> and where
[04:41] <mathieu__> ok
[04:41] <cef> daniels: cool..
[04:41] <mathieu__> ./media/floppy0
[04:42] <lexhider> daniels: are you back in oz now?
[04:42] <Pozac> mathieu__: So cp /home/mathieu/lsass.exe /media/floppy
[04:42] <daniels> lexhider: nope, not for a few days yet; i'm sitting in an internet cafe in barcelona basically babysitting x through to the archive, at which point i'll go investigate food and possibly hit the beach again
[04:42] <Rhodan> umarmung: thank you
[04:42] <mathieu__> yep
[04:42] <mathieu__> that worked
[04:42] <mathieu__> thanks  a lot again :)
[04:43] <lexhider> daniels: such is life.
[04:43] <mathieu__> thanks to all ! seeya !
[04:43] <lexhider> was there much X action at the conf?
[04:44] <cef> lexhider: well, they broke it. *grin*
[04:44] <daniels> lexhider: aside from the startup stuff, not much
[04:44] <daniels> cef: heh no, I broke it yesterday
[04:44] <cef> daniels: same thing. *grin*
[04:44] <cef> daniels: though I knew it was your fault, even without confirmation. you always break it *grin*
[04:46] <lexhider> anyone know why amd64 doesn't have lilo?
[04:48] <cef> nfi. only one thing I like about lilo over grub.. when you actually update kernel images, it tells you if it can't find all the bits for them
[04:49] <JohnnyBGood> lo all
[04:50] <lexhider> what's nfi stand for?
[04:50] <JohnnyBGood> no f#cking idea
[04:50] <cef> no f...... idea
[04:50] <lexhider> ok
[04:50] <JohnnyBGood> :)
[04:50] <lexhider> a bit like SFA
[04:51] <JohnnyBGood> I would assume so.... if I knew what SFA was
[04:51] <cef> sweet f... all
[04:52] <JohnnyBGood> aaah
[04:52] <JohnnyBGood> ta cef
[04:52] <JohnnyBGood> not quite tho, one is an answer, and one is a statement
[04:52] <JohnnyBGood> close enough for me to stop being a pedantic pain in the arse
[04:52] <lexhider> I installed amd64 on my brothers new machine and we couldn't get grub to boot the XP partition, I thought I'd give lilo a spin but I couldn't find it.
[04:56] <Rhodan> can anyone please help with a problem I'm having trying to install ubuntu ?
[04:56] <Pozac> cef: So you prefer grubs wicked device naming scheme? :)
[04:56] <Rhodan> the problem is exactly the same as this, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8361
[04:57] <Rhodan> any idea's ?
[04:58] <Mabus> Rhodan: is that 2.6 ? I know I had the same problem once.
[04:58] <lexhider> not off the top of my head.
[04:58] <Mabus> bah, can't remember what I did to solve it.
[04:59] <Rhodan> yes 2.6
[04:59] <scoon> anyone here notice that samba can't be restarted after security fix
[04:59] <Rhodan> if I install it in VMWARE, it works fine
[04:59] <zenwhen> thats odd
[04:59] <Rhodan> so I know it's not the cd/drive
[04:59] <Mabus> Rhodan:  do you have a floppy drive ?
[04:59] <Rhodan> yup
[04:59] <Mabus> hmm
[04:59] <zenwhen> I am ON ubuntu with a P4 system and am currently installing it on my P3 server.
[05:01] <gpled> Rhodan: does you ubuntu install, but die when asked to update from the internet?
[05:01] <Rhodan> no, this is right at the beginning of the install, when it's installing the base system and it gets to the kernel part
[05:01] <Rhodan> I've just installed it no problem in VMWARE with the same cd
[05:02] <gpled> this 4.10?
[05:02] <Rhodan> yes
[05:02] <Mabus> I'd try installing in expert mode
[05:02] <Mabus> and then just disable all the modules you don't need to load
[05:02] <Mabus> I think that's what I did, and it worked.
[05:02] <Rhodan> but I'm not an expert =)
[05:02] <Mabus> become one
[05:03] <Mabus> ;)
[05:03] <Pozac> Fake being one.
[05:03] <Rhodan> wish I could
[05:03] <Pozac> Get a MSCE while you are at it.
[05:03] <Pozac> :)
[05:03] <scoon> anyone care to fake some samba help ?
[05:03] <JohnnyBGood> MCSE if I may be a pain in the arse
[05:03] <Rhodan> lol
[05:04] <Pozac> scoon: I'll fake.
[05:04] <gpled> A+ looks nice too
[05:04] <scoon> Pozac, thanks
[05:04] <Pozac> scoon: All my samba daemons have just been restarted?
[05:04] <JohnnyBGood> fake it... chicks do it all the time
[05:04] <Pozac> In hoary.
[05:04] <gpled> lol
[05:04] <scoon> Pozac, after updating warty's samba, i can't restart the daemon
[05:05] <scoon> Pozac, the only way it works is by a restart.  I know it is a problem w/ the init.d
[05:05] <scoon> Pozac, but want to see if anyone else has this problem.
[05:05] <Pozac> scoon: I really can't fake any further. :(
[05:05] <scoon> Pozac, damn
[05:05] <scoon> Pozac, but you could test something out for me.
[05:05] <JohnnyBGood> lol
[05:05] <scoon> Pozac, are you running samba now ?
[05:05] <Pozac> yeah
[05:06] <Pozac> hoary's
[05:06] <scoon> Pozac, can you smbclient into your share ?
[05:06] <odo> I'm at my friend's place...I got him to install ubuntu...yay :)
[05:06] <Pozac> scoon: yep
[05:06] <scoon> Pozac, now do a /etc/init.d/samba restart and try smbclient again
[05:06] <scoon> Pozac, does it still work ?
[05:07] <Pozac> scoon: Yes
[05:07] <Pozac> odo: Sweet.
[05:07] <scoon> Pozac, might be time to seek out a bug then for this.
[05:07] <scoon> Pozac, thx
[05:07] <lexhider> g/night.
[05:07] <Pozac> scoon: np
[05:08] <scoon> Pozac, unless of course you faked all of those samba requests.
[05:08] <Pozac> lol
[05:08] <scoon> Pozac, then i will send my midnite army of pimp midgets out to get you.
[05:08] <scoon> bitch
[05:08] <scoon> >:)
[05:08] <Pozac> ow
[05:08] <gir_> Hi, I was wondering about a html design program for ubuntu that my mother could use, has to be easy, any suggestions?
[05:08] <Pozac> that hurt, man
[05:09] <gpled> Rhodan: only thing i can think of: open the box and make sure no one has the ide drives in strange.  i found one box that had the hd hooked to a pci-ide card.
[05:09] <scoon> Pozac, nice, nice.
[05:09] <Pozac> You know I wouldn't be faking no samba requests.
[05:09] <scoon> Pozac, just needed to flex my intent.  that's all.
[05:09] <Rhodan> gpled: it's a sata drive
[05:09] <scoon> Pozac, i know how peeps get about their samba
[05:09] <gpled> Rhodan: can you put an ide master drive in?
[05:10] <Pozac> scoon: My samba is my life.
[05:10] <Pozac> ok, that was a bit fake.
[05:10] <Rhodan> nope don't have one
[05:10] <scoon> Pozac, doh.  that is no good.  run don't walk to the nearest liquor store and quit now.
[05:10] <Rhodan> just a sata drive with windows xp on
[05:10] <scoon> Pozac, if that is the case just give up.
[05:10] <scoon> :)
[05:11] <gpled> Rhodan: do you have an ide controler on the motherboard?
[05:11] <Pozac> Never give up; Never surrender.
[05:11] <Rhodan> gpled: yes
[05:11] <scoon> Pozac, quitters always win
[05:11] <Pozac> scoon: Yeah well, then I'm a born loser.
[05:11] <scoon> Pozac, look up at down and know that is the best it will be.
[05:11] <Pozac> lol
[05:12] <Pozac> Now I'm just confused.
[05:12] <gpled> Rhodan: i would almost bet that is what is going on.  whish you where near me. i would give you a drive to test
[05:12] <gpled> Rhodan: is their a LUG near you?
[05:12] <scoon> Pozac, me too.  let's just give up here
[05:12] <scoon> Pozac, thanks for the help........
[05:12] <Pozac> scoon: help?
[05:12] <Pozac> hehe
[05:13] <Rhodan> gpled: nope
[05:13] <scoon> :|
[05:13] <Pozac> gpled: Maybe he needs kernel options?
[05:13] <Rhodan> why would it be the drive, if it's having a problem with copying the kernel over ?
[05:13] <Pozac> So that the right driver gets loaded
[05:14] <Rhodan> thats like at 80% of the install
[05:14] <njs12345> gir_: Mozilla Composer?
[05:14] <Pozac> Damn memory, but I can't remember which modules, one is ide only and one is ide+sata
[05:14] <gir_> composer? I'll take a look. I was thinking dreamweaver type prog for linux
[05:14] <gir_> thanks
[05:14] <Pozac> I'll just go eat some marzipan
[05:15] <njs12345> oh right
[05:15] <njs12345> perhaps Nvu then
[05:15] <Pozac> Bye all, thanks for the help, I'll be back.
[05:15] <njs12345> although I'd point her at http://alistapart.com and tell her to handcode ;)
[05:15] <gpled> Rhodan: like Pozac is saying.  if you can pass a kernel option, you might get it going.
[05:15] <Rhodan> gpled: Ok, any idea's what I can try ?
[05:16] <gpled> Rhodan: my bet is if you put an ide drive in, and installed to that, it would work.
[05:17] <Rhodan> gpled: I think so too, as it installed fine in vmare, but that does not solve my SATA problem which is the drive I have and want to use
[05:17] <gpled> does anyone know, if the kernel has setting for sata drives in it?
[05:18] <gpled> Rhodan: i hear you.  SATA drives are the new things out, and are not going away.  was wondering, did they give you a shielded sata cable with that?
[05:19] <Rhodan> gpled: yup
[05:20] <gir_> does anyone know a program that can handle M$ Publisher files?
[05:20] <gpled> Rhodan: good to see manufatures finally doing that.
[05:22] <gpled> how can i tell what dns servers, a dsl modem is telling ubuntu, when making a dhcp request?
[05:23] <njs12345> gir_: No, but Scribus is better than Publisher in terms of functionality
[05:23] <njs12345> http://www.scribus.org.uk/index.php
[05:24] <gpled> the dsl/dhcp modem is using dynamic to get dns.  i know what the dns for isp is.  but i keep getting 192.168.0.1 for dns.
[05:24] <gpled> dns server
[05:24] <gir_> njs12345: I've got that and it seems pretty good but we have some older mms pub files from the windows days that need to be opened
[05:24] <loststryk> .0.1 is your router
[05:24] <loststryk> what is your isp ?
[05:25] <gpled> that is the ip of the dsl modem.  if i hand edit /etc/resolv.conf to the correct values (take out 192.168.0.1) life is good.
[05:25] <gpled> isp is qwest. dsl modem is actiontec
[05:25] <loststryk> ask qwest for the correct dns servers
[05:25] <gpled> have that
[05:25] <loststryk> :)
[05:25] <gir_> mjs12345: i have access to mac osx and ubuntu linux but no windows
[05:26] <njs12345> oh right, I dunno then - I did some searching but couldn't find anything
[05:26] <Amaranth> any luck with xorg today with hoary?
[05:26] <gpled> if i reboot (re-request dhcp) my /etc/resolv.conf ends up with the 192.168.0.1 back in, which i then have to take out.
[05:27] <gir_> njs12345: thanks anyway, i think i'll try to save them as another file format if i can get to a windows box
[05:27] <njs12345> Office 2004 for Mac might be able to open them
[05:27] <Amaranth> gpled: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script
[05:27] <Amaranth> replace the contents of the make_resolv_conf() function with echo "Nothing to do for resolv.conf"
[05:32] <king_arthur> hi there! i was just looking for somebody who has installed ndiswrapper recently
[05:33] <gir_> njs12345: that's a good idea i'll try that now
[05:34] <king_arthur> I have downloaded the .deb for it but I am left without internet connection during installation does it need any other packages to satisfy dependencies?
[05:34] <king_arthur> would be nice if somebody has done this before
[05:34] <diego> daniels, assuming your nick is the same as the man of the forums, my happiness is in your hands. /me bows.
[05:34] <king_arthur> and could advice
[05:35] <Amaranth> anyone figure out a solution to the xorg issues with hoary?
[05:36] <diego> Amaranth uses ubuntu? 1337
[05:36] <Amaranth> diego: since it got slashdotted :)
[05:36] <diego> Amaranth, 'daniels' of the forums claims to have broken it and is actively fixing it
[05:36] <diego> according to the forum thread about this
[05:37] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:37] <Amaranth> i know he broke it :P
[05:37] <Amaranth> i was wondering if anyone had a fix or a workaround that isn't installing xfree86
[05:38] <diego> one person suggested installing an older xorg .deb from your previously downloaded files
[05:38] <diego> another guy suggested compiling xorg, roofle
[05:39] <diego> i can't wait to play tuxracer again!!!!!!!!
[05:39] <speel> lol
[05:40] <Amaranth> yeah, i'm downgrading to ubuntu6
[05:41] <bruceh> ok, I got ubuntu installed last night, and it downloaded all the updates during the install process. Now that it boots into gnome, it claims there is not a network device available. What gives?
[05:42] <diego> bruceh: what devices does 'ifconfig' list?
[05:42] <bruceh> nothing, not even loopback
[05:44] <diego> odd...are your nic modules loaded?
[05:45] <gpled> Amaranth: how did you know about the dhclient-script?  did you have the samething happen to you?
[05:45] <Amaranth> gpled: Yeah, my qwest service with an actiontec modem happened to me. :P
[05:45] <bruceh> diego, hmm... lsmod does not show anything that looks like a nic module, so no.
[05:45] <gpled> Amaranth: did quest have a clue?
[05:45] <bruceh> what module should I be loading?
[05:45] <Amaranth> didn't call them
[05:46] <Amaranth> they would have told me to reboot the modem :P
[05:46] <diego> bruceh: the module depends on your NIC. google is your friend and i'm not - i gotta shower
[05:46] <Amaranth> and to do things to windows
[05:46] <diego> bye all
[05:46] <bruceh> ok, thanks...
[05:46] <strat50s> hi
[05:46] <Amaranth> i setup the modem in windows then installed linux :)
[05:46] <strat50s> mmm just let me ask you a question
[05:47] <diego> strat50s, NO
[05:47] <strat50s> I've installed ubuntu packages for X.org on my iBook G4... and well they installed ok
[05:47] <strat50s> :D
[05:47] <strat50s> why not diego? ;)
[05:47] <gpled> Amaranth: knoppix does note seem to have trouble with it.  When I have some time, i am going to try and figure out what they are doing diffrent.
[05:47] <strat50s> well I carry on
[05:47] <strat50s> the installed great and xcompmgr works great with its shadows
[05:48] <strat50s> but when i use transset on any window, it moves painfully slow
[05:48] <strat50s> I have a 32 MB ATI Mobility Radeon 9200...
[05:48] <strat50s> and... G4 is at 933 Mhz so... I think the problem is not the machine...
[05:48] <strat50s> I think it's about configuration
[05:49] <strat50s> does anybody have had the same problem?
[05:50] <strat50s> no clue?
[05:51] <gpled> wow, starting to see a lot of G4s out there.  is everyone buying these off of ebay?
[05:51] <strat50s> mmm I bought it directly from Apple Store gpled
[05:51] <strat50s> a year ago...
[06:04] <davyd> hey all
[06:04] <davyd> is anyone else noticing missing schema for some things in GNOME?
[06:04] <davyd> like gnome-applets?
[06:05] <seb128> davyd: no
[06:05] <murf> how can i install kde on ubuntu? apt-get -s install kde show me that it is not available ... i have update warty main and restricted
[06:05] <njs12345> hey davyd
[06:05] <davyd> seb128: hmm, so it's just me then...
[06:05] <seb128> yes
[06:05] <davyd> this is not so crash hot
[06:05] <njs12345> missing schema? how do you mean?
[06:05] <Riddell> murf: try kde-core
[06:06] <murf> Riddell: it reports couldn't find package
[06:06] <murf> does anybody here use kde instead of gnome ?
[06:06] <seb128> davyd: which schemas are broken ?
[06:07] <Tr1ed> How can i set my internet configuration if my ip is never the same?
[06:07] <davyd> seb128: well some gnome-applets by the looks of things...
[06:07] <davyd> perhaps others...
[06:07] <seb128> davyd: ie ?
[06:07] <davyd> mini-commander
[06:07] <thenuke> have anyone used ubuntu with 64megs of ram
[06:07] <seb128> davyd: give me one example so I can check here
[06:07] <Riddell> murf: have you added universe?
[06:08] <seb128> /usr/share/gconf/schemas/mini-commander.schemas and /usr/share/gconf/schemas/mini-commander-global.schemas are here
[06:08] <murf> Riddell: no ... only warty, main and restricted
[06:08] <seb128> $ grep commander /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-applets-data.postinst         SCHEMA_FILES="battstat.schemas charpick.schemas cpufreq-applet.schemas drivemount.schemas geyes.schemas gkb.schemas gswitchit.schemas gtik.schemas gweather.schemas mini-commander-global.schemas mini-commander.schemas mixer.schemas modemlights.schemas multiload.schemas stickynotes.schemas "
[06:08] <seb128> davyd: looks ok
[06:08] <davyd> seb128: see I don't have -global.schemas
[06:08] <davyd> and the files are there
[06:08] <davyd> they just don't seem to be doing anything effectual
[06:09] <seb128> davyd: ie ?
[06:09] <davyd> well I have schema files, but if I browse in gconf-editor I see a lot of <no values>
[06:09] <seb128> davyd: dpkg -L gnome-applets-data | grep commander ?
[06:09] <murf> Riddell: oh it seems thats the problem
[06:09] <murf> Riddell: Ubuntu probably dont officialy support kde
[06:09] <seb128> davyd: hum ... dpkg -l gnome-applets-data ?
[06:10] <murf> Riddell: dont -> doesnt
[06:10] <davyd> hmm, it says they're installed in /usr/share/gconf/schemas
[06:10] <davyd> so what is in /etc/gconf/schemas then?
[06:10] <seb128> davyd: I've /apps/mini-commander/macro_commands and /apps/mini-commander/macro_patterns in gconf
[06:11] <seb128> davyd: /etc/gconf is the old location, we are moving to /usr/share/gconf
[06:11] <davyd> seb128: see, I don't have that location... but I should
[06:11] <davyd> I wrote the code ;)
[06:11] <seb128> davyd: but since files in /etc are conffiles we don't remove them (an admin could have changed them)
[06:12] <seb128> davyd: dpkg -l gnome-applets-data ?
[06:12] <davyd> iU ?
[06:12] <Haukkari> Hello
[06:13] <seb128> look on the first lines
[06:13] <Haukkari> Does anyone know why apt-get says Get *blahblahpackagename*: Err http://mirrorname/packagename Error reading from server blahblah connection reset by peer
[06:13] <seb128> i = installed
[06:13] <Haukkari> The server is archive.ubuntu.com
[06:13] <njs12345> iU is unpacked
[06:13] <njs12345> well
[06:13] <Haukkari> I'm trying to install Gnome
[06:13] <njs12345> U is unpacked
[06:13] <seb128> U = Unpacked
[06:14] <seb128> davyd: the package is not correctly installed
[06:14] <seb128> davyd: apt-get -f install
[06:14] <davyd> aah
[06:14] <davyd> yay for obscure dpkg flags
[06:15] <Haukkari> :/
[06:15] <Tr1ed> Hey, i am on DSL, and i'd try to set my internet configuration, but i cannot. my ip changes everytime i reboot and i'd like some help plz.
[06:15] <rturner> looks like the new hoary xorg packages are avail
[06:15] <Haukkari> Any idea why archive.ubuntu.com is giving me a "Connection reset by peer" when I try to install gnome via apt?
[06:15] <rturner> looks like the new hoary xorg packages are avail
[06:15] <Haukkari> Is it broken?
[06:16] <gpled> Haukkari: who is your isp, and what modem do you have?
[06:16] <Haukkari> gpled: my ISP is OPOY (Oulu Telephone Company) and I have a Cisco LRE bridge box. I use PPPoE from my desktop to connect to the internet.
[06:16] <seb128> davyd: the lettre are explained on the first line when you dpkg -l
[06:17] <davyd> seb128: so I see, doesn't mean I've ever noticed them ever
[06:17] <davyd> not until you mentioned them in fact
[06:17] <davyd> curse my human brain
[06:17] <gpled> Haukkari: cat /etc/resolv.conf, and make sure it does not have your modem ip address in it, for nameserver. should have your isp's nameservers.
[06:17] <Haukkari> gpled: ah
[06:18] <txepox> buenas... alguien me puede ayudar a instalar la tarjeta de audio (atiixp en un porttil)?
[06:18] <Haukkari> gpled: nope, didn't help
[06:18] <Haukkari> gpled: it already had right nameservers
[06:18] <Haukkari> gpled: :/
[06:19] <Haukkari> gpled: and apt did get a few packages.. about half of the gnome packages
[06:19] <seb128> davyd: you probably had a dist-upgraded which stopped due to some bug (probably an overwrite in the massive python updates)
[06:19] <seb128> davyd: and the "config" phase has not been runned
[06:19] <Haukkari> Any known problems with the archive.ubuntu.com mirrors right now?
[06:19] <davyd> seb128: I seem to recall seeing that, yes
[06:19] <gpled> Haukkari: i suspect something is going on with the server
[06:19] <davyd> seb128: it all becomes clear now
[06:19] <seb128> :)
[06:20] <gpled> Haukkari: i had an install keep baling on the xwindow part
[06:20] <scizzo> is xorg fixed in hoary now? if anyone knows?
[06:20] <davyd> also, cutest bug ever, try having two people logged into gdm
[06:20] <davyd> and insert an audio CD
[06:20] <Haukkari> gpled: aha. The server doesn't have the packages apt-get update told it
[06:20] <gpled> Haukkari: then out of the blue it worked. on install 5 or so.
[06:20] <seb128> davyd: next time just run apt-get -f install when you get a such problem
[06:20] <davyd> and then wonder where on earth the music is coming from
[06:20] <seb128> ah ah
[06:20] <Haukkari> gpled: the developers are apparently screwing something up
[06:20] <gpled> Haukkari: is this for 4.10?
[06:21] <njs12345> davyd: I had something like that under windows.. I was in the middle of a game of Counter-Strike and all of a sudden music started playing :D
[06:21] <Haukkari> gpled: yep
[06:21] <Haukkari> gpled: maybe I should try Hoary
[06:21] <njs12345> hmm
[06:21] <njs12345> which packages are the standard C library manpages in?
[06:21] <Haukkari> Are there any developers on this channel?
[06:22] <gpled> Haukkari: i feel your pain.  i had the additional problem of my modem telling ubuntu it was a nameserver.
[06:22] <odo> Haukkari: maybe first try other mirror? :)
[06:22] <Haukkari> odo: ...
[06:22] <Haukkari> odo: well, maaaayyybe
[06:22] <davyd> gpled: perhaps your modem is a nameserver?
[06:22] <Haukkari> odo: but that would be too easy, now wouldn't it?
[06:22] <odo> sure
[06:22] <davyd> usually they pass useful things via DHCP
[06:22] <Haukkari> odo: where can I get a list of mirrors?
[06:23] <davyd> the only time I've ever had anything majorly broken was modems trying to pass non-routable default routes, although thankfully I don't think you get those kind of problems any more
[06:23] <odo> This works...haukkari is sitting next to me and we communicate via irc
[06:24] <gpled> davyd: all i know, is that when my 192.168.0.1 shows up in /etc/resolv.conf, i can not use a web browser. can ping and dig, but will not browse the internet.
[06:24] <njs12345> my worst ubuntu problem was my ati card, but that's a crappy POS anyway, so I don't really blame ubuntu
[06:24] <davyd> gpled: hmm, sounds like some magic proxy server crack
[06:25] <davyd> perhaps your modem is getting name info from the root servers via anycast
[06:25] <njs12345> all the other problems I've brought onto myself by upgrading to hoary
[06:25] <davyd> whereas in your browser you're using a proxy whose name is only exported internally via your ISPs DNS
[06:25] <gpled> davyd: the modem says the nameservers are 205.1712.65.  i know they are 205.171.2.65
[06:26] <Haukkari> boohoo
[06:26] <Haukkari> Damn you, ubuntu
[06:26] <JDahl> is gnome in hoary broken? I can only start X in failsafe terminal mode, and .xsession-errors gives me this: "Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1"
[06:26] <gpled> davyd: lynx does it too
[06:26] <davyd> gpled: do you have a proxy set in your environment?
[06:26] <Haukkari> JDahl: even warty seems borken
[06:27] <davyd> gpled: since that sounds broken
[06:27] <gpled> davyd: nope. and if i use another isp/modem/dsl, i have no trouble
[06:27] <davyd> in that ISP-broken sort of way
[06:27] <JDahl> Haukkari, is that confirmed by other people also?
[06:27] <gpled> davyd: think the isp is trying to save ip address
[06:27] <Haukkari> JDahl: well, warty mirror is broken
[06:28] <gpled> and doing some kind of bridge/magic
[06:28] <Haukkari> JDahl: it doesn't need to be confirmed by other people. Package.list says something is there and I checked with links: those packages are not there
[06:28] <gpled> strange thing, is knoppix has no trouble with this.
[06:28] <davyd> I'm not sure what sort of weird bridgy shit you could do that would break something like that
[06:29] <gpled> it is almost as if http is using its own resolver.  a diffrent one then ping and dig use.
[06:29] <davyd> personally I think we should have just let IBM have it's way, the entire internet should have been one big layer 2
[06:29] <davyd> that would have been so nice...
[06:30] <gpled> the work around is to set nameservers, and tell ubuntu/dhcp, hands off the /etc/recolv.conf file
[06:30] <karlos> hi all
[06:30] <vafnord> hi
[06:30] <karlos> ive buggered me gaim up
[06:30] <davyd> gpled: still, sounds whacky
[06:31] <karlos> i tried to install the latest version
[06:31] <superted> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3804&highlight=bluefish <- how does one open or save the files in bluefish like this dude can
[06:31] <karlos> now it complains about ssl libraryies
[06:31] <vafnord> while messing around with gnome keyboard shortcuts, i have totally disabled
[06:31] <davyd> it really sounds like your modem is anycasting, but I can't think of a way to prove that
[06:31] <gpled> davyd: was tough to figure out what was going on. i would setup a computer at my house, take it to a friends house, and tell him, it was working realy, i saw it :)
[06:32] <vafnord> my "c" key
[06:32] <davyd> gpled: what sort of modem what it out of interest?
[06:32] <gpled> davyd: i thought ubuntu was hanging on to my route setting some how
[06:32] <gpled> actiontec
[06:32] <gpled> qwest
[06:32] <davyd> hmm, never heard of it
[06:33] <gpled> i have a diffrent isp/modem.  i have no trouble
[06:33] <davyd> yeah, sounds about right
[06:33] <davyd> thankfully non of the ISPs here do anything weird really nowadays
[06:33] <gpled> even apt-get can use the modem. just not any web browsers.
[06:33] <davyd> except for Telstra Cable with it's 'heart beat'
[06:34] <davyd> the weirdest authentication method ever
[06:34] <gpled> smells of the msn isp days.
[06:34] <davyd> basically, you plug in a cable modem, and you can dhcp an IP on it
[06:34] <intinig> I got my guy back :)
[06:34] <vafnord> does anyone know where gnome keyboard shortcuts are stored?
[06:35] <davyd> or plug it into a switch, and DHCP an ip for every machine
[06:35] <davyd> but to be able to send traffic, you first need to send a UDP packet to a magic port on a magic IP
[06:35] <davyd> with your username and password
[06:35] <davyd> which activates that IP for 5 minutes
[06:35] <superted> is it difficult to downgrade to warty from hoary?
[06:35] <davyd> so you send one of these every 5 minutes
[06:35] <davyd> superted: undoubtedly
[06:35] <vafnord> I've looked in ~/.gnome ~/.gnome2 ~/.gconf and I an't find them
[06:35] <davyd> superted: it's generically hard to downgrade in debian
[06:36] <superted> davyd: :\
[06:36] <davyd> vafnord: use gconf-editor to search gconf
[06:40] <bruceh> how can I get vnc server started?
[06:41] <njs12345> davyd: I remember on #gnome yesterday you were talking about how to redefine the GNOME shortcuts
[06:41] <davyd> njs12345: sounds possible
[06:41] <njs12345> like ctrl+space goes to gnome-terminal
[06:41] <davyd> alt-space
[06:42] <njs12345> yup, that's the one
[06:42] <njs12345> how do you do that?
[06:42] <davyd> in gconf:/apps/metacity/something
[06:42] <davyd> hmm, I need to flush crap out of my system, need to restart X
[06:42] <njs12345> aha
[06:42] <davyd> bbiab
[06:43] <speel> does ubuntu have a changelog for the next release?
[06:44] <davyd> significantly less broken
[06:44] <vafnord> davyd: Thanks, but I checked there and the binding that are giving me trouble do not appear to be set
[06:45] <davyd> vafnord: what sort of binding is this?
[06:45] <vafnord> davyd: I stupidly bound "c" alone as a shortcut and now the key won't work
[06:45] <njs12345> speel: they have a roadmap sorta thing on the wiki
[06:45] <Gordan> hi, i have a question guys, there's a recent version of Alien in the Ubuntu repo?
[06:45] <davyd> vafnord: hmm, it shouldn't even let you do that
[06:46] <davyd> vafnord: where did you bind it?
[06:46] <njs12345> Gordan: I have alien installed and I don't remember installing it, I think it might be installed by default
[06:46] <Gordan> ok tnx njs
[06:46] <vafnord> davyd: In "computer -> desktop preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[06:47] <njs12345> if not then it's probably in universe or multiverse (look in /etc/apt/sources.list)
[06:47] <davyd> vafnord: and you can't click on it and press delete?
[06:47] <Gordan> fine, tnx again
[06:47] <deadshell> n1 else get their ubuntu cd already
[06:47] <vafnord> davyd: I did, and according to that dialog those bindings are gone, but the two keys still don't work
[06:47] <njs12345> deadshell: mine should be arriving soon.. but I lost my patience and d/led and burned it ages ago
[06:48] <davyd> vafnord: out of interest, have you tried logged out and back in, in case something is jammed up?
[06:48] <deadshell> me too but now i have 10 each of powerPC and x86
[06:49] <vafnord> davyd: Sure did.  Haven't tried rebooting yet.  Maybe I should try restarting the x server.
[06:49] <davyd> vafnord: yeah, I would
[06:49] <davyd> or gnome-settings-daemon
[06:49] <davyd> if that was still running, it might be choking things up
[06:49] <vafnord> Hmmmmm
[06:49] <njs12345> lol
[06:49] <vafnord> davyd: tnx for the ideas
[06:50] <njs12345> I ordered ten anyway deadshell, despite the fact that I'm the only person I know in RL who even knows what linux is
[06:51] <davyd> njs12345: you're not looking hard enough ;)
[06:51] <davyd> unless you're a hermit
[06:51] <njs12345> lol no
[06:51] <deadshell> lol njs12345  i'm not sure who would be getting these either but i can't pass up free stuff
[06:52] <njs12345> I wonder what would happen if you ordered like 10,000
[06:52] <speel> is it me or does anyone else find the wiki all disorganized
[06:52] <vafnord> davyd: Hooray!  Killing gnome-settings-daemon worked.  Thanks so much!
[06:52] <davyd> njs12345: they would be personally delivered from SPACE!
[06:52] <davyd> by non other then Mr Shuttleworth himself
[06:53] <njs12345> you wake up in the morning and one day your house is snowed in
[06:53] <njs12345> except instead of snow, it's Ubuntu CDs
[06:53] <deadshell> they came from zurich
[06:54] <njs12345> deadshell: where are you?
[06:54] <deadshell> Swiss made?
[06:54] <deadshell> njs12345,  home
[06:54] <njs12345> I mean like what country ;)
[06:54] <deadshell> njs12345,  j/k im in NJ usa
[06:54] <deadshell> aren't i funny
[06:55] <JDahl> something seems to be wrong with gnome in hoary... right now I have to work (yes, I know - dont use developer's ver for a work machine), and I need a quick fix; what lightweight window managers are the easier to install, wmaker?
[06:55] <njs12345> *cough*no*cough* :D
[06:55] <seb128> JDahl: what's broken in hoary ?
[06:55] <njs12345> davyd, you're the same davyd on p.g.o right?
[06:55] <speel> enlightment , fluxbox
[06:55] <davyd> njs12345: that'd be me, there aren't many of us ;)
[06:56] <njs12345> lol
[06:56] <njs12345> This year Stephanie and I will be giving someone a present involving free software.
[06:56] <njs12345> that's a pretty good idea
[06:56] <JDahl> seb128: I havent had time to put my finger on in... gnome freezes right after the panels come up (X is fine)
[06:56] <njs12345> the cost of one CDR, and they won't know it :D
[06:57] <davyd> njs12345: it comes with an awfully expensive digital camera ;)
[06:57] <seb128> JDahl: killall gnome-panel gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus trashapplet
[06:57] <seb128> JDahl: that's a known bug of gnome-vfs-daemon
[06:57] <njs12345> I get that a lot as well
[06:57] <davyd> my immediate family-in-law wanted to buy my father-in-law a new digital camera
[06:57] <JDahl> seb128: thanks, I will try that
[06:57] <njs12345> if that doesn't work then I just delete all the gnome conf directories
[06:57] <davyd> only they wanted to buy some nasty one
[06:57] <davyd> "because it came with photoshop"
[06:58] <davyd> I looked it up at work and discovered it was Photoshop Elements (as I expected)
[06:58] <njs12345> rm -rf ~/.gnome2 ~/.gnome ~/.gconf ~/.gnome2_private
[06:58] <davyd> so instead I ordered a Sony for pretty much the same price
[06:58] <RubenV> njs12345: that must be the worst solution ever :)
[06:58] <njs12345> RubenV: it's not that bad for me
[06:59] <AndyFitz> davyd: what are you doing awake at this hour.  arent you in perth ?
[06:59] <njs12345> I don't customize gnome that much, and the only thing I actually lose is my rhythmbox playlists (which I backed up first)
[06:59] <vafnord> Eww, sony=proprietary memory
[06:59] <njs12345> my cousin is into photography and he uses Photoshop Album
[07:00] <davyd> AndyFitz: I dunno, and yes
[07:00] <njs12345> but he's not talented with computers really..
[07:00] <AndyFitz> its harder to convince relatives gimp is a wiser choice when they want something easy to use.   things like the new f-spot concepts look promising for home users
[07:00] <speel> BAH GIMP
[07:00] <njs12345> f-spot looks cool
[07:00] <davyd> f-spot isn't bad, but is seriously alpha
[07:00] <AndyFitz> yeah not nearly stable yet
[07:00] <davyd> gthumb works better, but lacks the coolness
[07:01] <davyd> AndyFitz: aren't you in Brisbane though?
[07:01] <njs12345> I would install it and mess around (maybe even hack on it, I dunno.. even though I hate c#) but I can't get mono working
[07:01] <davyd> so it's almost the other side of the night for you
[07:01] <AndyFitz> davyd:  yeah and its 4am here
[07:01] <AndyFitz> gmt+10
[07:01] <davyd> hmm, that's right, no daylight savings in Queensland
[07:01] <davyd> stupid 5 timezone summer
[07:01] <AndyFitz> yep lol
[07:02] <RubenV> gimp ain't really for organizing pictures
[07:02] <njs12345> yeah, gimp's more like Photoshop really
[07:02] <AndyFitz> ruben: its only meant to be good at manipulating them
[07:02] <AndyFitz> gthumb is my fav but only because I owned acdSee back in days of yore when I used windows
[07:03] <njs12345> davyd: I did my first patch against gnome-applets :) (I'm Nicholas J. Skehin)
[07:03] <AndyFitz> f-spots timeline concept looks really swanky
[07:03] <davyd> njs12345: you'll have to remind me... I see a lot of patches
[07:04] <njs12345> a one-line XML patch to add Belgium to the locations list
[07:04] <RubenV> njs12345: yeah! :D
[07:04] <davyd> aah right
[07:04] <AndyFitz> be right back, changing machines
[07:04] <davyd> yeah, I've got to commit those later on
[07:05] <njs12345> I'm working on DVD blanking support for n-c-b, but that's a bit harder
[07:05] <njs12345> mainly because it actually involves writing C and it's not one line
[07:06] <davyd> heh
[07:06] <njs12345> while I was doing it though, a found a bug
[07:09] <anir> hi guys
[07:09] <anir> tell me which one is better.. LongHorn or Ubuntu
[07:09] <njs12345> lol
[07:09] <njs12345> Ubuntu, mainly because it's not vaporware
[07:09] <davyd> anir: I don't know, we still haven't seen Longhonn ;)
[07:10] <njs12345> well.. most people haven't, unless you regularly go into certain channels on efnet
[07:10] <anir> i am using a transformation pack of LongHorn on Xp davyd
[07:10] <davyd> njs12345: I have an MSDN release around somewhere that I was sent
[07:10] <anir> what is vaporware njs12345
[07:10] <Ribs> Well, Longhorn will have some nice undocumented features
[07:10] <davyd> I couldn't be bothered firing it up
[07:10] <JDahl> what seb128 suggested to fix gnome didnt help.. I install enlightenment, but I cannot choose it from gdm.. does it use xdm?
[07:11] <Ribs> and a few security holes, which is always a nice thing in a OS
[07:11] <seb128> JDahl: you use the drive applet ?
[07:11] <Ribs> but on the other side Ubuntu won't run like a compile pile of shit...
[07:11] <davyd> avalon looked coolish
[07:11] <njs12345> anir: vaporware? it's a product that hasn't showed up on the market yet
[07:11] <davyd> but we'll see if it ever ships
[07:11] <speel> we dont need to see longhorn all we know is its made by microsoft which automaticly makes it horrid
[07:11] <speel> ;)
[07:12] <anir> i was just mistaking by comparing windows with linux..
[07:12] <njs12345> it's like
[07:12] <anir> now i understand that both are different
[07:12] <davyd> speel: if you employ the best software engineers in the world, minus maybe about 10. You do come up with cool features
[07:12] <JDahl> seb128: yes... (in fact .xsession-errors gave some errors about mounting which I thought was irrelevant)
[07:12] <davyd> speel: of course, that doesn't mean it won't be horrid ;)
[07:12] <anir> what is the use of WINE
[07:12] <seb128> JDahl: oh ok, so you need to kill it too
[07:12] <anir> i am a new user of linux..switched a day back
[07:13] <SeFoKumA> re
[07:13] <njs12345> WINE lets you run windows apps under linux
[07:13] <Ribs> anir: see www.winehq.com
[07:13] <njs12345> but only some
[07:13] <njs12345> and rarely perfectly
[07:13] <seb128> JDahl: you are loosing a ton of time, the GNOME pb is solved in 10s
[07:13] <Ribs> ... yet :)
[07:13] <seb128> JDahl: just killall what I said before and add drive_... (don't remember the name exactly, look on ps)
[07:13] <anir> yea but i am just not so happy with the limited software of linux..
[07:14] <speel> limited?
[07:14] <njs12345> anir: it's not limited - you just need to look hard
[07:14] <anir> i mean compitable
[07:14] <njs12345> except with games maybe.. that's why I keep xp around
[07:14] <speel> anir have you used synaptic?
[07:14] <anir> now i want to play mpeg4 files... what should i use?
[07:14] <anir> yes speel..
[07:14] <njs12345> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:14] <Bandit> whats synaptic
[07:15] <anir> thats what .. restricted ..
[07:15] <njs12345> a GUI tool to apt, Debian/Ubuntu's package manager
[07:15] <JDahl> seb128: nothing matches ps -ef | grep drive
[07:15] <speel> anir: http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/
[07:15] <njs12345> they're not allowed to ship the video players/etc because it violates patents and such
[07:15] <anir> speel what is that?
[07:15] <seb128> JDahl: GNOME is started ?
[07:16] <JDahl> seb128: no.. should it be?
[07:16] <speel> the starter guide to help you setup whatcha need
[07:16] <seb128> yes
[07:16] <seb128> JDahl: start GNOME as usual
[07:16] <seb128> if it hangs just do the kill in a console
[07:16] <anir> speel i dont know much about kernels ..can i use linux?
[07:16] <JDahl> seb128: bingo... you have a pretty solid gnome knowledge.. developer?
[07:17] <seb128> JDahl: yep
[07:17] <anir> i am not been able to load xawtv on  my system speel
[07:17] <JDahl> anyway... thanks a lot - now I can work (and leave the hell of console mode irc behind me)
[07:18] <seb128> np
[07:18] <speel> you need the codecs i belive
[07:18] <anir> yea the codes
[07:18] <anir> i dont know how to use them
[07:18] <njs12345> seb128: Debian and GNOME right? :D
[07:18] <speel> that site i sent you can help you with whatcha need plus more
[07:21] <seb128> njs12345: yep
[07:21] <njs12345>  /whois works wonder
[07:21] <njs12345> *wonders
[07:23] <Hikaru79> Man, I love Ubuntu
[07:23] <nakee> what version of kde comes with Ubuntu?
[07:23] <anir> ha ha.. i loved it too... still i do. but i have some problem with it
[07:23] <Haukkari> Anyone still had any problems with apt-get tonight?
[07:24] <Riddell> nakee: warty has KDE 3.2, hoary mostly has 3.3
[07:24] <Haukkari> My apt-get won't find the right packages
[07:24] <Hikaru79> anir, what problems? :(
[07:24] <Haukkari> And therefore can't install almost anything... some packages it does find but, well. It won't install those if it can't download all the dependencies. :(
[07:24] <siretart> could somebody help me to debug gnome? after my partial upgrade gnome-panel does not seem to be started at all: metacity seems to run, but I dont see background or menu panel
[07:24] <nakee> Riddell: thanks:)
[07:24] <anir> i cant play mpeg4 files
[07:25] <seb128> siretart: start GNOME and then killall gnome-panel gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus trashapplet in a console
[07:25] <Haukkari> Why doesn't the damn apt work?! Any developers around?
[07:26] <Riddell> Haukkari: what doesn't work about it?
[07:26] <siretart> seb128: ok, and now?
[07:27] <davyd> anir: there is information about that in the wiki
[07:27] <Haukkari> Riddell: well, when I type apt-get install gnome... I get this:
[07:27] <Haukkari> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main portmap 5-4ubuntu5 [22.4kB] 
[07:27] <Haukkari> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main portmap 5-4ubuntu5
[07:27] <Haukkari>   Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)
[07:27] <Haukkari> Riddell: and I did apt-get update 10 seconds ago
[07:27] <davyd> anir: you're not allowed to ship mpeg4 codecs without an appropriate license
[07:27] <pantz_> hi people - debian newbie here - what package do i need for the kernel source?
[07:27] <Mabus> daniels: X works fine :) However, I'm getting repeated crashes in gnome-panel now.
[07:28] <siretart> pantz_: linux-source-`uname -r`
[07:28] <Riddell> Haukkari: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list for archive.ubuntu.com ?
[07:28] <Haukkari> Riddell: lots of stuff. deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted to start with
[07:28] <Haukkari> Riddell: then I have universe
[07:28] <anir> davyd .. tell me in details
[07:29] <Mabus> daniels: I'm not sure where to look for logs or anything, so if you want any details, please help me locate them.
[07:29] <davyd> anir: I don't recall the details
[07:29] <Haukkari> Riddell: both are warty, of course.
[07:29] <pantz_> siretart, when i search synaptic for linux - i don't see a linux-source-xxx package?
[07:29] <davyd> which is why they are in the wiki ;)
[07:29] <Gwildor> (hoary) i have bittorrent installed, bittorrent-gui also, but i cant use it, nothing i have tried will launch it.
[07:29] <anir> davyd i just want to play my cds but its not playing
[07:31] <Haukkari> Riddell: any ideas? :/
[07:31] <Gwildor> pAntZ, are you searching "xxx" or pluging in actual numbers?
[07:31] <pantz_> Gwildor, btdownloadcurses.py is not bad - kinda gui-ish
[07:31] <Haukkari> Maybe I should just wait until tomorrow and hope it'll be fixed by then
[07:31] <pantz_> Gwildor, just the word linux
[07:31] <Gwildor> kk
[07:31] <Gwildor> :)
[07:31] <siretart> pantz_: I see a linux-source-2.6.8.1
[07:31] <davyd> anir: try the application goobox
[07:32] <anir> goobox..
[07:32] <anir> cool
[07:32] <Riddell> Haukkari: are you using a proxy?
[07:32] <Haukkari> Riddell: not that I know of. :)
[07:32] <seb128> siretart: should, work ... it doesn't ?
[07:33] <Haukkari> Riddell: and I did get some packages from there
[07:33] <siretart> seb128: nope, I see a mouse curser, and my gnome-terminal. nothing more
[07:33] <anir> davyd how can i install it?
[07:33] <Haukkari> Riddell: the packages apt tried to get and failed aren't there according to links. So packages.list is broken or something very weird is going on.
[07:33] <seb128> siretart: do you use the drive applet ?
[07:33] <pantz_> siretart, i haven't updated from the base install kernel yet - have to wait until my bandwidth is reset tomorrow or i will have to pay - could it be that the source for that kernel is not in the repo?
[07:33] <crimsun> Amaranth: / scizzo: X.Org 6.8.1-1ubuntu8 is available.
[07:33] <siretart> seb128: what is drive applet? (i suppose no)
[07:33] <Amaranth> crimsun: already using it :P
[07:33] <pantz_>  # uname -a
[07:33] <pantz_> Linux ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:33] <Riddell> Haukkari: what does "grep -r roxy /etc/apt/*" give you?
[07:34] <seb128> siretart: and applet for GNOME which has small picture of the drives to mount/umount
[07:34] <Haukkari> Riddell: nothing.
[07:34] <Haukkari> I installed Ubuntu just a few hours ago from the minicd
[07:35] <siretart> seb128: should I use it or could that be the culprit?
[07:35] <seb128> siretart: you need to killall all the stuff use gnome-vfs
[07:35] <seb128> siretart: in the gt, ps ax | grep drive ?
[07:37] <siretart> seb128: there is no drive
[07:37] <seb128> siretart: you have the panel freezing ?
[07:37] <siretart> but I think I managed it, gnome just started, but i dont now whz
[07:37] <seb128> and killall nautilus gnome-vfs-daemon gnome-applets trashapplet doesn't help ?
[07:38] <workGremlin> popey: o/
[07:38] <ACIDnet> hey all
[07:38] <popey> ola!
[07:38] <Riddell> Haukkari: I'm out of ideas I'm afraid, are other people having problems downloading portmap?
[07:38] <siretart> seb128: now the panel works. Now I'm rebooting to be sure..
[07:38] <joaquinz> hi
[07:38] <seb128> siretart: ok
[07:38] <joaquinz> could anybody get work the framebuffer in ubuntu?
[07:39] <Haukkari> Riddell: no idea. :/
[07:39] <stuNNed_> is latest xorg in unstable broken?
[07:39] <Haukkari> Riddell: it does the same with almost every other package too
[07:39] <crimsun> stuNNed_: in Hoary? No, it's fixed. 6.8.1-1ubuntu8
[07:39] <Haukkari> Riddell: only the most basic stuff seems to install... like aumix and stuff
[07:39] <crimsun> stuNNed_: -7 is broken
[07:39] <stuNNed_> crimsun: you da man thanks :D
[07:40] <joaquinz> i've tryied compiling my own 2.6.9 kernel but while booting the screen shutdowns,  but this kind of shutdowns because high resolution or frequence
[07:40] <workGremlin> popey: Are you an Ubuntu user yet?
[07:40] <anir> crimsun what do u think about slakeware
[07:40] <popey> workGremlin, no, not yet
[07:40] <crimsun> anir: it's a fine distro.
[07:40] <popey> workGremlin, I use debian exclusively
[07:41] <Haukkari> Riddell: eh
[07:41] <siretart> seb128: thanks for your help, now the beast works but I dont know what the problem was..
[07:41] <popey> (at the moment)
[07:41] <joaquinz> i dont know what to do, in my last debian sid box i had not this problem...
[07:41] <anir> is it better than ubuntu? crimsun
[07:41] <Haukkari> Riddell: when I told apt-get install portmap it installed it
[07:41] <workGremlin> I either need to try Ubuntu again, or Gentoo.
[07:41] <seb128> siretart: np
[07:41] <Haukkari> Riddell: but then apt-get install gnome had the next package, that is aalib1, to complain about
[07:41] <popey> workGremlin, yeah, I can't decide which to use either
[07:41] <crimsun> anir: you can't compare distros like that.
[07:41] <Riddell> Haukkari: very strange
[07:41] <Haukkari> Riddell: and I don't want to install 190 packages by hand. :/
[07:41] <joaquinz> does anybody have an idea?
[07:41] <anir> what is dostros crimsun?
[07:41] <ACIDnet> ive just installed ubuntu on my PC :D :D :D :D
[07:41] <crimsun> anir: you can compare _versions_ of the same distro but not different Linux distros.
[07:42] <workGremlin> popey: I dunno if Gentoo might be better for me - I'll get bored if everything works straight away, might be nicer to watch it compile and break stuff in an optimised way :)
[07:42] <anir> okay.. crimsun
[07:42] <popey> workGremlin, ricer
[07:42] <workGremlin> popey: Rice?  We're having curry?
[07:42] <anir> i mean is mandrake is better for a new user crimsun
[07:42] <joaquinz> ?
[07:42] <crimsun> joaquinz: perhaps you need to set a fb mode using gtf?
[07:43] <crimsun> anir: again, you can't compare them like that
[07:43] <ACIDnet> just out of interest, i have about 20Gb spare, and i was wondering if i could break that into 4 * 5Gb partitons and install 4 different distros on there - is it easy??? Will it auto detect gurb
[07:43] <Haukkari> Damn you aptitude!! How can I mark a task to be installed in aptitude?
[07:43] <anir> crimsun i am not comparing.. i am asking which version is good for a new usercrimsun
[07:43] <billytwowilly> apt-get installl packagename
[07:44] <joaquinz> crimsun : what?
[07:44] <crimsun> anir: they're both good for a new user
[07:44] <crimsun> joaquinz: a fb modeline.
[07:44] <anir> okay..
[07:45] <joaquinz> crimsun : i've put video=vesafb,mtrr vga=792 in my grub config file
[07:45] <Xenguy> anir: Ubu is very impressive and will only get better; you should try it if you are trying different distros :-)
[07:45] <joaquinz> and then in boot my screen shutdowns... i can use the computer in X mode, but not in console mode
[07:45] <anir> okay
[07:45] <crimsun> joaquinz: it works with vga=normal, correct?
[07:46] <joaquinz> crimsun : yes
[07:46] <joaquinz> wait
[07:46] <ACIDnet> is installing other distros easy?? Will they auto be added to gurb??
[07:46] <joaquinz> vga=normal is the same to dont put vga=xxx?
[07:48] <joaquinz> ?
[07:48] <crimsun> joaquinz: yes
[07:48] <crimsun> joaquinz: did you compile vesafb in with "y"?
[07:49] <joaquinz> crimsun : obviously :)
[07:50] <crimsun> joaquinz: have you read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=279648 ?
[07:51] <Eagle101> hello everyone...can someone please please help me out...my ubuntu box wont start after i updated the system...it starts but all i see is the wallpaper and my cursor
[07:51] <joaquinz> crimsun : are you god? :)
[07:51] <crimsun> joaquinz: no, I just read before asking.
[07:52] <Xenguy> heh
[07:52] <joaquinz> crimsun : so, do i have to wait the bug resolves?
[07:52] <crimsun> joaquinz: no, you can recompile your kernel to use either of the workarounds outlined there
[07:53] <Xenguy> Eagle101: what did you update anyway?
[07:53] <Eagle101> Xenguy: apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:53] <alzen> one problem i have, ubuntu can't see partition table on my hd, it is caviar 120gb disk; arch linux has problems with it too, only mdk from these 3 distros can see partitions properly, anyone knows what can be the reason?
[07:53] <Xenguy> Eagle101: you 'upgraded' to Hoary?
[07:53] <joaquinz> crimsun : sorry , really but i didnt understand very well.. if i download again the kernel-source package, will it come with the bug-fix'
[07:54] <crimsun> joaquinz: no.
[07:54] <Eagle101> no no..i have warthy...i just wanted to update my own system
[07:54] <crimsun> joaquinz: you have to do one of the following: 1) compile vesafb as "m" and rebuild the initrd, or 2) revert the changes in modular-vesafb
[07:55] <Xenguy> Eagle101: My knowledge of Ubuntu is limited still, but I have used Debian for some years...
[07:55] <joaquinz> and how can i revert the changes in modular-vesafb? recompiling modules? (make modules)  ?
[07:55] <Amroc> lamont you here yet?
[07:56] <Eagle101> Xenguy: because now i can get to shell, but i cant even use the apt-get becasue it says that its corrupted and i have to use apt-get install -f , but stil that wont help
[07:56] <Xenguy> AFAIK, the 'apt-get dist-upgrade' command is only for moving to a new version (e.g. moving from Warty -> Hoary, or something similar)...
[07:57] <neighborlee> could someone do me a favor and try and install mplayer...I seem to have the right repositories in place but trying to install it gives me several dependency errors...( few of them are libartsc0 and libfribidi0 ) ??
[07:57] <crimsun> Xenguy: it's used anytime packages need to be added and/or removed in addition to upgraded
[07:58] <Xenguy> Eagle101: If you want to make sure your Warty install is completely up-to-date, then something like this should work -> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:58] <Eagle101> Xenguy: i think you are wrong, apt-get dist-upgrade is to update all the applications and sucn things to the latest version...doesnt have to do anything with hoary
[07:58] <ACIDnet> hmmm,  i dont like Xchat's theme - whats a good colour combie?
[07:58] <Xenguy> Eagle101: maybe I am wrong -> see what crimsun said
[07:58] <crimsun> joaquinz: no, change your kernel config to make vesafb support as a module, then recompile
[07:59] <crimsun> Xenguy: no, what you said is mostly correct.
[07:59] <crimsun> (if one is an astute user, dist-upgrade is safe for daily use)
[07:59] <Eagle101> Xenguy: i knew that apt-get update is only to upate the sources.list , and i never heard of apt-get upgrade
[08:00] <Dko> Hello could someone answer a newb question please?  Im trying to move files and folders around with the GUI (typing out commands is driving me insane.) But I don't seam to get a password so I can edit root folders/files which makes it impossible to do it thru the Gui.  What can I do?
[08:00] <Xenguy> Eagle101: so what to do now? ...
[08:00] <crimsun> Dko: FAQ. You use `sudo' with your _own_ passwd.
[08:01] <Eagle101> Xenguy: i dont know man, is there any way that i can ubuntu back on
[08:01] <joaquinz> crimsun: ok, thx u
[08:01] <Dko> I know about sudo.  But I don't wana use the command line every time. Id rather use the gui.
[08:01] <Xenguy> Eagle101: what happens if you do what I said above? (or perhaps crimsun has better advice?)
[08:02] <popey> dko "sudo nautilus"
[08:02] <Eagle101> Xenguy: you mean go back to ubuntu shell and type apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade
[08:02] <kipod> hello :) does some here knows how i can add a right click > play in xmms  option ( when the mouse is over an Mp3 folder  )
[08:03] <Eagle101> kipod: in gnome?
[08:03] <kipod> Eagle101,  yeah ^^
[08:03] <Xenguy> Eagle101: yeah, that's one idea (also be aware that on the few occasions I did 'apt-get dist-upgrade' with debian, I would sometimes need to repeat the command several times for all the dependencies to synchronize to a stable state)
[08:04] <Xenguy> Eagle101: also, if I noticed an error on a particular piece of software, I would sometimes need to uninstall that one, and re-run the dist-upgrade -- stuff like that
[08:04] <Eagle101> kipod: right click on a file, and go to some tab there(forgot which one) and choose xmms default
[08:04] <Dko> Ok thanks.  Thats doing the trick
[08:05] <Eagle101> Xenguy: o ok...but also when i went to the shell. and i tryed to install kde, it wont let me, it says that apt-get is corrupted or soemthing
[08:05] <kipod> Eagle101,  ^^ yeah  but i want to add this option for a folder
[08:05] <Xenguy> Eagle101: In that situation you do *not* want to complicate things with KDE...
[08:05] <Eagle101> kipod: only for that particular folder, or for all the files .mp3
[08:06] <Xenguy> Eagle101: you're trying to get your system back to a sane state...
[08:06] <Riddell> Eagle101: try apt-get install kde-core
[08:06] <Xenguy> Eagle101: since no one is suggesting anything different, try what I said and then report the exact error messages, if any
[08:06] <kipod> Eagle101,  to all the folders that contian MUSIC fils
[08:06] <Eagle101> Xenguy: well then how would i go to fix that apt-get corrupt thing
[08:06] <Xenguy> Riddell: no no
[08:07] <Shufla> hello :)
[08:07] <veran> what I have done when system is messed up, is remove all the base X packages, which kills all the X apps, then start installing only what I want
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[08:07] <Dko> Ok just one more question and im gone. :P  Is there any possible way to adjust my gamma settings? Or get a program that will allow me too?  My monitor isn't very bright even with its brightness setting at max. ><
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> anyone here using Samsung Samtron 56V monitor? plese its urgent!
[08:07] <Eagle101> kipod: yea, that worked for me, just select one file and make xmms default, then xmms will play that file automatically
[08:08] <Eagle101> Xenguy: ok let me go and ill be back
[08:08] <Xenguy> Eagle101: OK
[08:08] <kipod> Eagle101,   i don't want it to play a file i want it to play a folder ... like with WinAmp on WINDOWS
[08:09] <veran> why not just add the folder your playlist in xmms?
[08:09] <Dko> I guess there isn't a way.  ohh welll... :/
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> anyone know why i am epxeriencing display corruption in i810 on knoppix 3.6
[08:10] <veran> what kind of curroption?
[08:10] <veran> anything interesting when you tail the XFree86 log?
[08:10] <kipod> cuse its much more easy to just right click it and mark play folder on XMMS
[08:10] <kipod> veran,  ^ look up
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> anyone know why i am epxeriencing display corruption in i810 on knoppix 3.6
[08:11] <speel> try a knoppix channel
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> speel: no one is responding out there
[08:12] <speel> bah umm have you tryed linuxquestions?
[08:12] <speel> www.linuxquestions.org
[08:12] <jirah> hola
[08:13] <jirah> ?alguien habla espa?ol?
[08:13] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you might try a newer version of Knoppix
[08:13] <jirah> o meor aun..alguien escribe en espa?ol?
[08:13] <yam> jirah: un poco
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok. thanks. anyway, can i fix this version?
[08:13] <jirah> mmmm...kooll
[08:13] <crimsun> jirah: #ubuntu-es tambien
[08:13] <jirah> tu sabes si ubuntu soporta la Ati radeon 9200
[08:14] <jirah> aaaa...ok...thank you
[08:14] <jirah> :D
[08:14] <crimsun> de nada
[08:17] <Shufla> funny...
[08:18] <Shufla> smth has happen to my password on ubuntu.com...
[08:18] <Eagle101> Xenguy: u there
[08:18] <Xenguy> Eagle101: yes
[08:18] <miausX> see you later guys :)
[08:19] <WW> Is it possible to tell Firefox to ignore certain web sites or URLs?
[08:19] <Eagle101> Xenguy: i went and did apt-get update and finished successfully...then when i did apt-get upgrade, i get this error message
[08:19] <Eagle101> Xenguy: Reading package list..Done
[08:19] <WW> I can't find something like this in the preferences window.
[08:19] <Eagle101> Xenguy: Building Dependency Tree...Done
[08:20] <Eagle101> Xenguy: You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these....The following packages habe umet dependency...gnome panel: depends: libecal6(>=1.0.2) but it isnt installed
[08:21] <Eagle101> Xenguy: also Depends: libedataservers (>=1.0.2) but it isnt installed...E: Umet dependencies, Try using -f
[08:21] <Eagle101> Xenguy: thats the error message
[08:22] <Xenguy> Eagle101: good - got it...
[08:22] <crimsun> Eagle101: you appear to have mixed apt sources, and at least 'libedataservers' doesn't exist as a package
[08:22] <Amaranth> WW: You looking for something like AdBlock?
[08:23] <WW> Amaranth: I'm not sure what AdBlock is, but it sounds like what I'm looking for!
[08:23] <Eagle101> so what do you think i should do
[08:25] <crimsun> Eagle101: what distro did you upgrade from?
[08:25] <Eagle101> crimsun: i installed ubuntu fresh on this new hard disk
[08:26] <njs12345> WW: http://adblock.mozdev.org
[08:26] <WW> Amaranth: I found the AdBlock web page Thanks for the suggestion.
[08:26] <WW> :)
[08:27] <Xenguy> Eagle101: if you do have mixed apt sources, as crimsun thinks, then there must be some reason for this - did you do anything out of the ordinary along the way?
[08:27] <joh> I'm unable to start X (xorg) on hoary. It says it's unable to load the base modules "bitmap" and "pcidata" which does not exist. Anyone experienced a similar problem?
[08:27] <Xenguy> Eagle101: oh BTW, are you dual-booting?
[08:28] <Eagle101> Xenguy: yes i am dual booting...and i dont think i did something ordinary
[08:28] <Xenguy> Eagle101: OK, here's one idea...
[08:28] <nakee> joh: look in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules see if libpcidata is there
[08:28] <Shufla> cu
[08:28] <Xenguy> Eagle101: I wonder if it is possible to get rid of 'gnome panel' (since that is causing the error), then re-run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' ?
[08:28] <Eagle101> how do i do that...?
[08:29] <Xenguy> Eagle101: this is my typical approach, BTW -- if I get errors regarding a piece of software, I remove the offending party :-)
[08:29] <joh> nakee: it's not
[08:29] <ACIDnet> how do I tell what codecs i have installed - like divx, xvid, mo3
[08:29] <joh> nakee: only libpcidata.a
[08:30] <nakee> yea
[08:30] <joh> nakee: this is after downgrading, wait...
[08:30] <nakee> joh: check your xorg.conf and see what's the module path
[08:30] <Xenguy> Eagle101: we need to find what package contains 'gnome panel'...
[08:30] <Eagle101> Xenguy: can it also be because my friend gave me his sources.list and i copied them into my sources.list
[08:31] <jo> I tried to create an account on the ubuntu website using the join_form. But it keeps on loading until I get a timeout error. Any ideas?
[08:31] <Xenguy> Eagle101: maybe we should have a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[08:31] <crimsun> joh: known issue. It's fixed in 8 as of several hours ago.
[08:31] <neighborlee> in gnome how do I add a new menu item..i'm trying in nautilus > Applications:/// < but its not allowing me to choose type 'directory' from list ???
[08:32] <crimsun> joh: the auth portion is temporarily down
[08:32] <crimsun> err
[08:32] <crimsun> jo: the auth portion is temporarily down
[08:32] <tolstoy> neighborlee, good question. that feature seems to be gone from the latest hoary builds
[08:32] <Xenguy> Eagle101: how many files get listed when you do -> cd /etc/apt && ls -l sources*
[08:33] <neighborlee> tolstoy, lemme slap whomever made that decision < LOL
[08:33] <jo> crimsun, oh ok. And when will it be up again?
[08:33] <neighborlee> tolstoy, I suppose it was buggy then ;(
[08:33] <tolstoy> neighborlee, i added an "evolution" menu item when evo wasn't being added, now i have two!  and "pan" disappeared.
[08:33] <Eagle101> Xenguy: only one...sources.list
[08:34] <tolstoy> neighborlee, nautilus folks have a habit of just removing things by policy: like no right-click to get a terminal, no "extract", etc.
[08:34] <Xenguy> Eagle101: OK, backup that file first
[08:34] <joh> crimsun: auth portion?
[08:34] <Eagle101> Xenguy: why you think it can be from the sources.list too?
[08:34] <crimsun> joh: no, read what I said about 8. The "auth portion" is directed to 'jo'.
[08:34] <jo> :-)
[08:35] <neighborlee> tolstoy, happy joy
[08:35] <joh> crimsun: ah, ok, thanks.
[08:35] <crimsun> jo: I don't have an ETA, sorry.
[08:35] <neighborlee> tolstoy, and then we wonder why kde is more popular
[08:35] <Eagle101> brb
[08:36] <jo> crimsun: ok, no problem.
[08:37] <tolstoy> neighborlee, speaking of which, I did something, somehow and nautilus covered up all windows with its background.  in other words, by workspace switch "saw" windows, but I couldn't.  fun!
[08:37] <neighborlee> tolstoy, i'm going to ask in  #gnome LOL
[08:37] <cabrilo> hello. I want to loop mount an iso but I keep getting "mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#"
[08:37] <cabrilo> any ideas?
[08:37] <tolstoy> neighborlee, who knows, maybe it's that pesky xcompmgr I keep using.
[08:37] <neighborlee> tolstoy, haha
[08:38] <tolstoy> neighborlee, once you have drop shadows, it's hard to give 'em up.  not to mention windows fading in and out.
[08:39] <neighborlee> tolstoy, like that eyecandy ey ? LOL
[08:39] <neighborlee> o_0
[08:42] <tolstoy> neighborlee, actually, the dropshadows are _great_ for having many windows (say, source files) on the screen.  so, candy==good, but i find it actually improves usability
[08:43] <neighborlee> tolstoy, where is this feature located
[08:43] <tolstoy> neighborlee, are you using hoary?
[08:44] <wasabi_> Anybody have any suggestions for deploying ubuntu over the network?
[08:44] <wasabi_> Does the d-i let you do that?
[08:44] <neighborlee> no..all ive done is apt-get upgrade..im half afraid to dist-upgrade LOL
[08:45] <tolstoy> neighborlee, well, if you've got the x.org version of X, you just make a couple of mods to xorg.conf, then apt-get xcompmgr (helps to have, say, nvidia)
[08:45] <Xenguy> wasabi_: there is a tool called 'FAI' (fully automatic install)...
[08:45] <wasabi_> FAI sucks.
[08:45] <Xenguy> wasabi_: but I don't know more than that, and there may be a simpler way for you - consider it just a pointer :-)
[08:46] <Xenguy> wasabi_: you have tried that tool?
[08:46] <wasabi_> yes
[08:46] <Xenguy> wasabi_: what is the main reason it "sucks" (I am curious) ?
[08:46] <neighborlee> tolstoy, lemme check
[08:46] <wasabi_> It reimplements d-i, silently.
[08:46] <wasabi_> Using debootstrap.
[08:46] <wasabi_> So, no good hardware detections, etc.
[08:47] <Xenguy> hrm
[08:47] <neighborlee> tolstoy, if I  had x.org i'd have x.conf in /etc/X11 right
[08:47] <wasabi_> I think I just found a page about preseeing d-i.
[08:47] <wasabi_> That might be better.
[08:47] <neighborlee> tolstoy, dont think I do as i just have XF86Config-4  there now...
[08:47] <Gwildor> (hoary) i have bittorrent installed, bittorrent-gui also, but i cant use it, nothing i have tried will launch it.
[08:47] <neighborlee> tolstoy: hmm i'm glad they are moving to x.org
[08:47] <tolstoy> dpkg -l | grep xserver ought to tell you for sure
[08:48] <njs12345> or X -version
[08:48] <tolstoy> njs12345, and give up the chance you use cmd-line pipes while we still can?  bah! ;)
[08:48] <neighborlee> lol
[08:49] <neighborlee> tolstoy, XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Ubuntu 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25.1 20041117134039 root@)
[08:49] <neighborlee> tolstoy, so your telling me I prob. should dist-upgrade <G>
[08:49] <neighborlee> tolstoy, and maybe backup first ?LOL
[08:50] <tolstoy> neighborlee, well, i don't know.  i've managed to deal with hoary probs so far, but ymmv, of course
[08:50] <crimsun> Hoary really is quite manageable _if you don't upgrade everyday_
[08:51] <crimsun> granted, that removes the edge
[08:51] <crimsun> ;)
[08:51] <tolstoy> crimsun, some of us are addicted.  I mean, wake up, coffee, apt-get . . .
[08:52] <njs12345> tolstoy: me too :D
[08:53] <crimsun> tolstoy: eh. I have a crontab that updates every 30 mins. :D
[08:53] <njs12345> lol
[08:53] <njs12345> well
[08:53] <njs12345> I've written a custom daemon that updates whenever it senses I have the spare CPU cycles
[08:53] <tolstoy> lately, I've had to kill a lot of gnome-this and gnome-that. when I restart X, i've gotten "gnome-panel already exists", but I can't see it, etc.  fun!
[08:53] <njs12345> IN ASSEMBLY
[08:53] <crimsun> just update, though.
[08:53] <tolstoy> heh.
[08:53] <njs12345> tolstoy: I get that a lot as well :\
[08:54] <njs12345> meh, I just can't live without the cutting edge though
[08:54] <tolstoy> and these drop shadows: i just bought myself a new video card (retired the old matrox) because I can't live without 'em.
[08:55] <njs12345> lol
[08:56] <tolstoy> add Option "Composite" "Enable" to the extensions section in xorg.conf, apt-get install xcompmgr, xcompmgr -c -f &, and away you go! ;)
[08:58] <DigiKill> ehlo....question for anyone Dualbooted Ubuntu and OS X....accessing other hdds from other OS...possible?
[08:59] <DigiKill> OS X didnt see ubuntu partitions real well, and i dont/cant access my HFS+ Drives from Ubuntu :S
[08:59] <sjoerd> DigiKill: for OS X you need something that can read ext2.. I've got something installed for that, don't remember the name
[09:00] <tolstoy> neighborlee, according to #nautilus on gimpnet: the vfolder method in gnomevfs has been dropped, so no applications:///, the menu system has been changed to use gnome-menus which is a new module, and respect the freedesktop spec
[09:00] <DigiKill> my OSX install is fsckt, so im just mostly tryin to access my hfs+ drives <got 80 gigs i need access too: Data:>
[09:01] <tolstoy> neighborlee,  more: there is no menu editor atm, but you can add a .desktop for each entry than you want to add
[09:01] <neighborlee> tolstoy, I think I figured out how to do it..i'm working on it..seems 'create launcher' is doing the job but i'm not done yet so we'll see <<<<<
[09:01] <tolstoy> neighborlee, by which he means: .gnome2/vfolders/applications
[09:01] <DigiKill> already did a  mount -t hfsplus /dev/hd<X> /mnt  tho now im not findin where the hell my 80gig'r is :S
[09:01] <sjoerd> DigiKill: linux can read hfsplus, but i don't know if it's enabled in the ubuntu kernel..
[09:01] <joh> how do I check what the module path is in xorg?
[09:02] <neighborlee> tolstoy, yup np...as I say its working it seems..ill know for sure in a sec
[09:02] <DigiKill> i looked thru packages...it should come as default on Ubuntu...mine did
[09:02] <DigiKill> but it seems to "not be lovin me"
[09:02] <sjoerd> DigiKill: you sure you've got the right hdX
[09:03] <DigiKill> sjoerd: i did a 'fdisk -l hd<x> to find the proper Sizes...so yeah
[09:03] <speel> hey did any one get defective cds from the cds they sent?
[09:03] <DigiKill> not i speel
[09:04] <speel> hmm
[09:04] <DigiKill> i got mine from budgetLinuxcd's tho...
[09:05] <DigiKill> my Ubuntu order hasnt come in over a month
[09:07] <Fire`> did anyone had problems configuring network during install ( I have DSL type connection with login;pass ) ?
[09:07] <DigiKill> grr...this is buggin me...all my music is on 80gig and it wont let me have it>>.....argh!
[09:07] <JohnnyBGood> nite all
[09:11] <petrov> hello
[09:12] <derJunior> hi@al
[09:12] <derJunior> all
[09:12] <derJunior> the package ubuntu-dekstop do what?
[09:12] <njs12345> it's a pseudo-package I think
[09:13] <njs12345> if you reinstall it, it takes your system back to the state it would have been when you first started it up
[09:15] <miggumike> how can i remap my f11 and f12 key to be my middle and right mouse buttons?
[09:15] <derJunior> hmkay
[09:15] <derJunior> how can i static change my defaut language in gnome?
[09:17] <joh> hmm, I've installed nvidia-glx and compiled the nvidia-kernel, but when starting xorg, it says it couldn't load glx because the modules does not exist. libglx.so exists in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ though.
[09:18] <daniels> joh: sudo ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.{so,a}
[09:20] <joh> daniels: thanks!
[09:21] <daniels> no worries
[09:23] <neighborlee> whats the command to launch nautilus from terminal..if I just type nautilus it doesn't give me the full pane on left side etc.etc. like clicking on 'home'..??
[09:25] <sjoerd> neighborlee: looking for nautilus --browser ?
[09:25] <njs12345> heh.. gimp 2.2 is out
[09:25] <neighborlee> sjoerd, yes thats prob. it thx
[09:25] <derJunior> whats the name of the java package? I use universe
[09:25] <neighborlee> sjoerd, yes thats it thxxxx
[09:26] <neighborlee> njs12345, kewwwwl thx for heads up
[09:27] <speel> does ubuntu have a new pkg for the new gimp
[09:27] <derJunior> hm
[09:27] <njs12345> probably not given the fact it only came out like 10 minutes ago ;)
[09:28] <derJunior> how can i use the multiverse source?
[09:29] <sorcio> hi there everybody
[09:29] <speel> well lol i mean usually when do they release it
[09:29] <sorcio> anychance anybody out there using ndsiwrapper?
[09:31] <sorcio> would like to give it a try but don't have any link and no internet connection (yet) on ubuntu linuxbox
[09:31] <will> is there a realplayer how to?
[09:31] <speel> will : yes
[09:31] <sladen> on the wiki if I recall correctly---there's a search box in the corner
[09:32] <speel> will: http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/#realplayer
[09:32] <will> speel: where is it ? search comes up with nothing in ubuntus website
[09:32] <speel> i just sent you the link
[09:32] <will> ta!
[09:33] <sladen> speel: can you make sure there's a link to that on the wiki so that the next time somebody does a search it shows up
[09:33] <derJunior> LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en",
[09:33] <derJunior>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[09:33] <derJunior>         LANG = "en_GB"
[09:34] <derJunior> where can i set this variables?
[09:34] <sorcio> Riddell: could you pls help with ndiswrapper ;)
[09:36] <kipod> is there a way to upgrade my firefox
[09:36] <kipod> from 0.9 to 1.0
[09:37] <roo9> anyone know what package contains Xm/Xm.h
[09:37] <crimsun> lesstif-dev
[09:37] <crimsun> well, on my system at least
[09:37] <crimsun> it's a Motif header.
[09:38] <roo9> anyone use ubuntu on ppc ?
[09:38] <Riddell> sorcio: don't think so, never used it
[09:39] <sorcio> Riddell: tah. I though you did
[09:40] <miggumike> is there any tutorials on how to get MoL running?
[09:40] <miggumike> on ubuntu. i found one for debian, but it wants me to install a new kernal and last time i tried to install debian they didn't have my sound supported.
[09:41] <roo9> miggumike: MoL ?
[09:41] <crimsun> Mac on Linux
[09:41] <roo9> ahhh
[09:42] <derJunior> okay i give up
[09:42] <roo9> miggumike: that does require patches to the kernel. You can probably patch the ubuntu kernel
[09:42] <derJunior> cu tomorrow
[09:42] <roo9> miggumike: ubuntu is based on debian, so you should be able to do it nicely.
[09:43] <roo9> miggumike: I have copious experience with the kernel, so if you want to take a stab at it, i'll hang around and assist you
[09:43] <miggumike> yeah, but when i tried to installed debian a couple days ago the sound didn't work, so i don't want to install the kernal they want me to
[09:43] <flithm> hey everyone... my gf has expressed interest in getting windows off her machine, so I'm currently looking for options for a good distro that she'll enjoy using.  One of her requirements is that she be able to install her own applications, and since ubuntu is debian based I though it might be good.  Just curious on what ubuntu users think about this.  How about package management, does it just use synaptic or does it have its own custom thi
[09:43] <flithm> ng?
[09:43] <roo9> miggumike: don't install debian, just follow those intructions on your ubuntu machine
[09:43] <miggumike> ok cool
[09:43] <eruin> anyone know what "failed to load module "bitmap" and "pcidata"" when trying to start X after an upgrade to hoary might mean?
[09:44] <eruin> I've doublechecked xorg.conf (and deleted xf86conf) - the modules aren't mentioned anywhere
[09:44] <miggumike> roo9: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ctwardy/mol-debian-benh.html
[09:44] <miggumike> can you check that out and see if it looks ok?
[09:44] <thenuke> flithm: well, because ubuntu is build on debian, it uses apt-get
[09:44] <thenuke> flithm: and synaptic is installed by default
[09:46] <roo9> miggumike: those instructions would be highly debian specific, since they only provide package instructions
[09:46] <flithm> thenuke: would you recommend ubuntu to someone who has never used linux before?  or would you recommend another distro?  I myself use another one, but I would never install it on her machine.
[09:46] <roo9> though... you could just install from source
[09:46] <eruin> flithm: I would.
[09:46] <eruin> flithm: in my experience it's fairly easy to set up, and pretty much fool-proof once you're past the install
[09:47] <flithm> eruin: cool.  do you use synaptic or just apt-get for package management?
[09:48] <roo9> miggumike: if there are source .debs you could make your life much easier
[09:48] <roo9> lemme check
[09:48] <roo9> yeah, there are
[09:48] <miggumike> roo9 may i msg you?
[09:48] <roo9> miggumike: sure
[09:48] <eruin> flithm: depends... for quickie installs or operations I know exactly what I need to do - I use apt-get, but synaptic for upgrades/new package selection
[09:49] <eruin> flithm: mostly because my first distro was debian ;-)
[09:49] <flithm> eruin: gotcha.  thanks for the info
[09:50] <flithm> one last question... is ubuntu gnome only?
[09:50] <eruin> flithm: yeah, well, afaik they do provide kde packages, but the main dekstop scope (see apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop) is gnome
[09:51] <flithm> thanks
[09:51] <flithm> I exposed her to several wm's and she definitely preferred kde
[09:52] <eruin> the most kde-centric distro is Suse, I think
[09:52] <roo9> is there a facility similar to http://packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[09:52] <seb128> flithm: there is kubuntu project
[09:53] <Riddell> eruin: mandrake, mepis, arklinux, xanderos, linspire and knoppix are also kde-centric
[09:53] <seb128> flithm: kde in ubuntu
[09:53] <eruin> Riddell: yeah, the only onw I would recommend is suse, though
[09:53] <eruin> then again, that's probably mostly a matter of personal taste
[09:54] <eruin> I can't base that opinion on anything specific ;)
[09:54] <flithm> thanks for the all the help everyone... appreciate it.
[09:55] <roo9> libxaw6-dev is broken btw
[09:56] <eruin> roo9: you tried an update?
[09:56] <esher> hi
[09:56] <eruin> I just got a new one here
[09:58] <roo9> eruin: I just updated this morning, i can try again
[10:00] <Shinjan> hi
[10:00] <roo9> eruin: still broken, specifically, it's the depend on libxaw6, libxaw6-dev depends on a version of libxaw6 that is not present
[10:01] <eruin> oh, nm me ;)
[10:02] <DigiKill> question: anyone know the proper Kernel to use for install on a Dual CPU?
[10:02] <sjoerd> DigiKill: one of the -smp ones
[10:02] <DigiKill> yeah...know that much...but choice at Install ?
[10:02] <DigiKill> last time i used install-power4
[10:02] <neighborlee> whats best  way to convert a avi file to svcd ?
[10:03] <roo9> DigiKill: you can use a non-smp one to install though, then upgrade to a smp kernel later, it just won't use both cpu's during the install
[10:03] <DigiKill> i did that last nite...but i fubar'd my install....yaboot got 10 gigs and ubuntu got 9 gigs on another partition...lol
[10:04] <DigiKill> was just curious if anyone knew what choice right off the bat for installin SMPKernel
[10:04] <unperson> It is not possible to use an SATA drive with a parellel EIDE Mobo is it?
[10:04] <roo9> unperson: with a SATA to IDE converter
[10:04] <dee> hey hey\
[10:05] <dee> any one here thats currently on ububtu?
[10:05] <dee> ???/
[10:05] <roo9> dee: probably 1/2 the channel, just ask your question
[10:06] <dee> lol
[10:06] <dee> i was woundering how to install from source
[10:06] <dee> Like.. compile
[10:07] <jayeola> man that was such a funny question
[10:07] <dee> well
[10:07] <dee> nvm
[10:07] <dee> Well
[10:07] <dee> I need to know hwo to unzip somkthing
[10:07] <unperson> roo9, I'm assuming this is a PCI card?
[10:07] <eruin> sudo apt-get install zip / unzip
[10:07] <dee> well
[10:08] <dee> i dont wanna do it like that
[10:08] <eruin> you'll probably need the universe or multiverse repositories in your sources.list
[10:08] <dee> like
[10:08] <dee> i dont wanna use the ubuntu installer thing
[10:08] <dee> i want the universal way
[10:08] <frankps> hi
[10:08] <eruin> oh, eh, well first off, we're not talking about unzip ;)
[10:08] <jon1012> hi :)
[10:08] <eruin> no idea how to _install_ ubuntu itself from the sources
[10:09] <roo9> unperson: no, it's a small little adapter chip that plugs into the back of the SATA drive and gives you an IDE connection
[10:09] <frankps> sorry, but I am new to compiling linux kernels, how long does it take on a 1,4 GHz Pentium M?
[10:09] <eruin> but you could easily fetch all your packages and rebuild them from source using apt-get -b after you've installed
[10:09] <frankps> I have started compiling it
[10:09] <roo9> frankps: 2-5 hours
[10:09] <jon1012> I have a little problem, I have installed xorg from hoary and now the xorg server don't want to start it tells me that he can't find the module bitmap and pcidata :/
[10:09] <eruin> provided you have the apt-src lines in sources.list
[10:09] <unperson> roo9, Ah, any idea the ballpark of what these things cost?
[10:09] <frankps> roo9: You are kidding?
[10:09] <roo9> frankps: yes
[10:09] <eruin> jon1012: umm, try apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade plus apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:09] <roo9> unperson: 10-12$USD
[10:10] <frankps> roo9: Good
[10:10] <jon1012> thx :)
[10:10] <eruin> jon1012: I just had the same problem.. seems that the repository was a bit out of synch ;)
[10:10] <frankps> roo9: So then 10 hours?
[10:10] <roo9> frankps: 15m-1 hour, depending on how much ram you have
[10:10] <unperson> roo9, THanks.
[10:10] <jon1012> lol ok ;)
[10:10] <jon1012> eruin, I was going to recompile from source all the xorg stuff
[10:10] <frankps> roo9: I have some (512 MB)
[10:10] <roo9> frankps: probably 1/2 hour
[10:10] <dee> i am trying to unzip this tgz
[10:10] <roo9> if even
[10:11] <frankps> thanks roo9
[10:11] <jon1012> eruin, thx :)
[10:11] <frankps> going for a cup of tea then
[10:11] <roo9> dee: you don't unzip tgz, you ungzip/untar them
[10:11] <roo9> dee: try "tar xvf <file>"
[10:11] <roo9> err
[10:11] <dee> can nyone help me  unzip this tarball? if so please PM me
[10:11] <roo9> tar zxf <file>
[10:11] <dee> ok cool
[10:11] <eruin> reboot-time ;)
[10:11] <jayeola> uh-huh
[10:11] <jayeola> like roo9 said
[10:12] <dee> roo i pm'd u
[10:13] <roo9> dee: don't pm without permission
[10:13] <roo9> and uze
[10:13] <dee> ok
[10:13] <roo9> tar zxf <file>
[10:13] <dee> roo9,  may i PM u???
[10:13] <roo9> just ask in channel de
[10:13] <roo9> e
[10:14] <dee> ok
[10:14] <dee> i unzipped it
[10:14] <dee> now what?
[10:14] <dee> do the make crap?
[10:14] <roo9> yes
[10:14] <roo9> type make crap
[10:15] <dee> lol
[10:15] <dee> ok
[10:15] <warty_girl> hi
[10:15] <Gwildor> (hoary) i have bittorrent installed, bittorrent-gui also, but i cant use it, nothing i have tried will launch it.
[10:16] <dee> root@knockout:/home/dee # ./configure && make && sudo install
[10:16] <dee> what did i nott do right?
[10:17] <jon1012> tar zxvf <file>X
[10:17] <warty_girl> has anyone here an experience with radeon 9200 on amd64 and ubuntu? i wonder if i shall buy the card
[10:17] <tomchuk> dee: you mean "sudo make install"
[10:17] <dee> tomchuk, pm  me plz
[10:18] <will> has anyone tried updating the latest linux-images and gotten a load of confusing options to chose from? and, do they have the Nvidia Driver?
[10:20] <Reiver> is there any place I can read up on how to be able to access an SATA raid stripe set?
[10:20] <speel> hey any ubuntu devlopers here? i keep getting time outs on the site
[10:27] <Haukkari> Hello
[10:27] <Haukkari> Where does Ubuntu get its /var/lib/apt/lists/* files?
[10:27] <Haukkari> I seem to be missing some of those
[10:27] <KAOS> ehlo...quick partition question if i may...
[10:28] <noob> hi, i'm trying to config my internet. My cable modem is directly plug to my ethernet card. in the console i type : sudo ifdown eth0; dhclient eth0 ; ifup eth0
[10:28] <noob> and i got, permission denied and stuff like this
[10:28] <KAOS> on /boot partition, does it need to be bigger than 1mb? as yaboot uses 800kb by itself : or would it be better to use a 5mb partition in case it gets too big :S
[10:28] <tomchuk> Haukkari: you need to so a sudo apt-get update
[10:28] <noob> i already confg my network once, but i m not able anymore:(
[10:30] <Dko> Could someone one help me real quick?  Ive had to install Ubuntu like 5/6 times.  It it self goes on fine and runs great.  But when ever I run windows 98 once or twice and reboot GRUB all a sudden won't load up.  Making it impossible for me to boot in eigther windows or Ubuntu untill I reinstall Ubuntu.  Does anyone know the cause?
[10:30] <tomchuk> KAOS: my boot partition has 25MB in it - disk space is cheap, make it 50MB and call it a day
[10:30] <Haukkari> tomchuk: mok
[10:30] <Haukkari> tomchuk: ok, even. :)
[10:30] <KAOS> ty tomchuk: i'll go bigger than...
[10:31] <KAOS> my first time dealin w. yaboot
[10:31] <will> okay, so everytime i install a new kernel, i have to re-install the nvidia driver?
[10:31] <tomchuk> KAOS: KAOS oops, didn't read the yaboot stuff
[10:32] <tomchuk> looks like yaboot needs a small bootstrap partition and then the usual linux boot partition
[10:32] <tomchuk> KAOS: don't mind me just fallow yaboot's instructions
[10:32] <Dko> Can anyone help me solve my problem? ><
[10:33] <Dko> Maybe if I installed LILO instead?  Though I can't seam to figure out how.
[10:35] <speel> is there a easy way to make a vcd??
[10:36] <tomchuk> speel: vcdtools or vcdimager
[10:37] <noob> y as-tu des channels daide linux en fr%
[10:37] <noob> [16:34]  <noob> pcq je ne suis pas avec fedora, mais ja
[10:37] <noob> hi, i'm trying to config my internet. My cable modem is directly plug to my ethernet card. in the console i type : sudo ifdown eth0; dhclient eth0 ; ifup eth0
[10:37] <noob> and i got, permission denied and stuff like this
[10:38] <ajmitch_> because sudo is only applied to the first command in the list there
[10:38] <tomchuk> noob: the semi-colon seperates three commands - you need to enter sudo for each of those: sudo ifdown eth0; sudo dhclient eth0; sudo ifup eth0
[10:38] <noob> ohgh
[10:38] <noob> ok !
[10:38] <noob> or ill use sudo -s
[10:38] <noob> so ill open a session
[10:39] <tomchuk> noob: but if you have "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces you don't need to manuall call dhclient
[10:39] <noob> thanks guys
[10:40] <tomchuk> noob: just sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0
[10:40] <noob> ko
[10:40] <noob> ok* ! ill try it !
[10:40] <noob> thanks ! again
[10:40] <tomchuk> np
[10:42] <mdke> i can't seem to be able to edit menus in the same way in the new hoary. What is the easiest way to edit the menus now does anyone know?
[10:43] <joshua__> mdke, i dunno... but i realized that as well
[10:43] <Dko> If no one can solve my problem can they maybe help me uninstall grub and put somthing else on like LILO?
[10:43] <mdke> joshua__, yeah i've lost my previous menu entries
[10:44] <tomchuk> Dko: seems win98 is trashing your mbr, lilo probably won't help that
[10:44] <tomchuk> Dko: if your BIOS has a setting to write-protect the MBR that would be best
[10:44] <joshua__> mdke, oh... you mean menu for grub?
[10:44] <mdke> joshua__, nope for gnome
[10:44] <joshua__> mdke, ok, im lost
[10:44] <Dko> Alright ill check my BIOS.
[10:45] <mdke> joshua__, i mean the gnome menus. No problem this end with grub
[10:46] <tomchuk> mdke: you can do it manually editing the desktop files in /usr/share/applications and using the desktop-file-* tools to validate and install them
[10:46] <mdke> tomchuk, right ok. Any idea why the ability to edit the menus by right clicking is no longer there?
[10:47] <tomchuk> beats me, I don't run hoary, it might be an upstream change in gnome
[10:47] <mdke> hmm
[10:49] <tomchuk> mdke: oh, I thought you were trying to add/edit items by going to aplications:/// in nautilus
[10:50] <mdke> nope
[10:51] <tomchuk> mdke: go to aplications:/// and you should be able to add/edit/remove launchers
[10:52] <jo> quit
[10:52] <mdke> apparently that is not a valid location
[10:52] <mdke> i tried the correct spelling too
[10:53] <seb128> there is no tools to edit the menus in hoary
[10:53] <mdke> hi seb
[10:53] <Ribs> Doesn't going to applications:// work?
[10:53] <seb128> but with the new gnome-menus package from tonight you can get a debian menu with all the old debian entries in it
[10:53] <mdke> seb128, how come they can't be edited now?
[10:53] <seb128> you just need to install "menu" and "menu-xdg"
[10:54] <seb128> mdke: that's called "development"
[10:54] <mdke> what do you mean?
[10:54] <seb128> mdke: you start by making a system and then the tools up to it
[10:54] <seb128> mdke: the menu system is new, that's logic to make the base first no ?
[10:54] <seb128> and then the tools to edit it
[10:54] <martink> hey seb128, just found a way to start epiphany (amd64, #4785): uninstall mozilla-browser :-/
[10:55] <mdke> guess so
[10:55] <Ribs> are there any plans for Ubuntu to migrate to Epiphany?
[10:55] <Dko> *Sighs* I don't seam to have an option to write protect my MBR.
[10:55] <Ribs> or is it sticking to firefox?
[10:55] <seb128> Ribs: epiphany is available
[10:55] <seb128> you can use it
[10:55] <seb128> martink: weird
[10:55] <Ribs> Where is it?
[10:56] <mdke> Ribs, have you tried the universe repository?
[10:56] <tomchuk> Dko: hmm, well I don't know what to say except get rid of Win 98 :)
[10:56] <Ribs> Well, I'm using hoary i386 atm
[10:56] <Ribs> gonna change to warty amd64 soon
[10:57] <seb128> martink:
[10:57] <seb128> $ ldd /usr/bin/epiphany |grep xpcom
[10:57] <seb128>         libxpcom.so => /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libxpcom.so (0x40032000)
[10:58] <martink> seb128, yes, now that the other libxpcom is gone, it finds that one
[10:58] <Dko> I wish I could.  But there are too many programs that I need win98 for. >< WIsh I had the money to upgrade it to xp.
[10:58] <seb128> you have that now ?
[10:58] <seb128> martink: ok ...
[10:59] <martink> seb128, and unless I uninstall (mozilla's) libnspr4, it doesn't resolve domain names
[10:59] <seb128> even with
[10:59] <seb128> even with mozilla-browser installed it picks the right one on i386
[11:00] <nyktovus> how can i make no icons in the ubuntu menus?
[11:00] <martink> yes, I saw that the grep gave 4 or 5 libs on i386 and only one on amd64
[11:00] <seb128> mdke: epiphany-browser is in main
[11:00] <mdke> ok
[11:00] <mdke> Ribs, there is your answer
[11:01] <subterrific> i have an open bug in the epiphany bug tracker about that issue
[11:01] <seb128> subterrific: which one ? the lib ?
[11:01] <mdke> nite all
[11:02] <Ribs> ta
[11:02] <subterrific> yeah, it would link to the right libnspr4 at compile time, but the wrong one at runtime
[11:02] <joaquinz> hi, does anybody know how to put a module to autoload at the very-early boot time?
[11:02] <subterrific> did the latest xorg update break OpenGL for anyone else/
[11:02] <subterrific> ?
[11:02] <joaquinz> ?
[11:03] <martink> subterrific, #152223?
[11:03] <joaquinz> maybe putting it in the initrd, is there anyway to do this? because i need vesafb to load at the boot time to get working bootsplash :S
[11:03] <subterrific> joaquinz: like how early? /etc/modules is pretty early
[11:03] <subterrific> oh
[11:04] <tomchuk> nyktovus: ing gconf-editor: /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons
[11:04] <subterrific> hey pepsi
[11:04] <pepsi> hi subterrific
[11:04] <pepsi> :)
[11:05] <subterrific> martink: yup
[11:05] <joaquinz> subterrific: do u have any idea?
[11:05] <subterrific> joaquinz: nope
[11:05] <Rhodan> hi all
[11:06] <Rhodan> anyone know where I can download an ISO of the latest build of Ubuntu ?
[11:06] <joaquinz> :(
[11:06] <scizzo> Rhodan: warty is the latest
[11:06] <scizzo> Rhodan: latest stable that is
[11:07] <Rhodan> but a newer build with updated drivers etc ?
[11:07] <Rhodan> having a prob installing warty on my pc, it can't detect the sata drive
[11:07] <joaquinz> does anybody have any idea?
[11:09] <scizzo> AFAIK is that the warty release is the latest build and that you have to use synaptic to update the kernel and such...
[11:09] <Ribs> is it possible to make it so that ubuntu keeps all the data already on the drive if I decide to re-install it?
[11:09] <Rhodan> damn ok, so i'm screwed
[11:09] <Ribs> ie. all stuff in /home
[11:10] <joaquinz> is there anyway to put a module in the initrd(like reiserfs module)  and to load it at the boot time?
[11:11] <littlepenguin> Yes, ribs. Just go to the partitioner manually in the setup, edit the partition w/ home and set don't format.
[11:11] <Ribs> thank you littlepenguin
[11:11] <littlepenguin> joaquinz, try editing as root /etc/modules
[11:11] <nyktovus> that worked!
[11:12] <tomchuk> nyktovus: of course it did ;)
[11:13] <joaquinz> littlepenguin : now, i have vesafb in my /etc/modules... but i need to load earlier... it is loading too late
[11:15] <littlepenguin> you want vesa framebuffer? if you want framebuffer for the kernel messages add 'append=xxxxx' to lilo.conf. not a grub epert. xxxxx=the fb mode you want
[11:16] <joaquinz> littlepenguin : but , i've vesafb compiled as a module
[11:17] <joaquinz> so, until the system enters the second runlevel (after mounting partition) it doesnt load vesafb
[11:17] <joaquinz> so the screen keeps black for a few seconds... and i need to load vesafb early because bootsplash
[11:18] <littlepenguin> if it's a module, it won't load until it starts a runlevel. correct if wrong
[11:18] <nyktovus> how can i make numlock comeon at system boot?
[11:19] <joaquinz> littlepenguin : exactly :(
[11:20] <joaquinz> littlepenguin : but if u look, many modules like reiserfs
[11:20] <joaquinz> loads at the begining of the system... they are in a auto-generated initrd...
[11:20] <littlepenguin> im not sure if u can work around that. maybe ask the guys on #kernel or the kernel mailing list
[11:20] <joaquinz> :(
[11:20] <joaquinz> ok thx u
[11:21] <tomchuk> joaquinz: just compile vesafb and framebuffer consle support into your kernel
[11:21] <tomchuk> joaquinz: not as modules
[11:21] <littlepenguin> if you need kernel compiling hel, there's a whole thread on the lq forums (linuxquestions)
[11:21] <joaquinz> tomchuck: i cant :( there's a bug in the kernel source with vesafb
[11:21] <bluefoxicy> wtf
[11:21] <littlepenguin> i mean help
[11:21] <bluefoxicy> my password doesn't work?=
[11:22] <bluefoxicy> >:(
[11:22] <littlepenguin> pw doesn't work on what?
[11:22] <CraHan> well looks like X is back
[11:22] <ACID|net> evening all
[11:22] <CraHan> but now gnome is gone ;)
[11:23] <CraHan> guess we can't be too demanding with hoary ;)
[11:23] <Pozac> My gnome is not gone?
[11:23] <littlepenguin> what doesn't your password work on? your account, root, sudo?
[11:23] <CraHan> mine doesn't start anymore
[11:23] <subterrific> CraHan: try rebooting?
[11:23] <CraHan> blue bg and empty panels
[11:23] <CraHan> rebooted already
[11:23] <Pozac> hmm
[11:23] <Pozac> I had that error yesterday
[11:23] <bluefoxicy> uhhh
[11:23] <littlepenguin> cranhan, maybe a gconf problem?
[11:24] <CraHan> could be
[11:24] <bluefoxicy> hey guys, is ubuntulinux.org slow as shit today?
[11:24] <CraHan> haven't changed anything since the last update though
[11:24] <subterrific> CraHan: rm -rf ~/.ICE* ; rm -rf /tmp/.ICE*
[11:24] <Pozac> Got it working via startx.. lots of processes hanging around?
[11:24] <CraHan> subterrific: ok
[11:24] <subterrific> CraHan: that usually fixes gnome not starting for me
[11:25] <CraHan> just deleted those files
[11:25] <subterrific> opengl just stopped working for me in hoary
[11:25] <CraHan> now to see what happens :)
[11:26] <ACID|net> how easy is it to dual boot a linux distro with another linux distro?
[11:26] <TheCan> Hi. is it true suspend to disk doesnt work in 2.6.8.1? allthough it's in the kernel config..
[11:26] <Pozac> ACID|net, very easy.
[11:27] <littlepenguin> Acid|net, very easy. Just edit the bootloader conf
[11:27] <ACID|net> Pozac: Will the setup/install sort it?
[11:27] <Pozac> ACID|net, Ubuntu install imported all my lilo options into its grub :)
[11:27] <littlepenguin> Yes, the setup will (atleast for me)
[11:28] <ACID|net> i want to install fedora or gentoo or another distro just to see what the difference is
[11:28] <nyktovus> how can i make numlock comeon at system boot?
[11:28] <Pozac> Notably, I haven't booted any other linux distros since I installed ubuntu.
[11:29] <bluefoxicy> damnit I can't get to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/forgottenpassword :(
[11:29] <CraHan> thanks subterrific that did the trick
[11:29] <Pozac> nyktovus, Look at numlockx, or your systems bios.
[11:30] <littlepenguin> the system bios is most likely to have it
[11:31] <Pozac> ACID|net, With gentoo you can choose to just use the grub you already have installed, and just add an entry to it. (Since you'll be doing it all manually anyway)
[11:35] <subterrific> is daniel s around?
[11:37] <nyktovus> numlock is ON in the bios, but when ubuntu starts it turns it off
[11:39] <Pozac> nyktovus: odd, my numlock is on.
[11:39] <Pozac> and I didn't turn it on.
[11:39] <nyktovus> great
[11:39] <TheCan> anyone knows where to get 2.6.9 source deb?
[11:39] <nyktovus> mine has to be activated
[11:40] <king_arthur> hi there
[11:40] <king_arthur> just a trivial question about filesystems...
[11:41] <king_arthur> what type of filesys to specify in fstab in order to mount a win XP partition?
[11:42] <ajmitch_> morning jdub
[11:42] <ajmitch_> king_arthur: either vfat or ntfs, most likely ntfs
[11:44] <lukins> anything I can do now that I've hosed my x server?
[11:47] <tomchuk> lukins: install and run debian stable untill you learn your lesson :P
[11:49] <ajmitch_> harsh punishment
[11:50] <tomchuk> If I were a real sadist, I'd have said Windows ME
[11:51] <lukins> tomchuk, i tried to update my ubuntu with sarge!!!
[11:52] <tomchuk> you mean apt-get dist-upgrade to Sarge?
[11:52] <tomchuk> or from sarge?
[11:52] <ajmitch_> you're rather brave
[11:52] <lukins> no, i had a sarge disk 1 cd and i tried to upgrade ligtk2
[11:52] <lukins> just so i could compile a kernel, but somehow something got screwed
[11:53] <ajmitch_> that sounds a little odd
[11:53] <lukins> well, i though since they were both debian, what would be the difference
[11:54] <tomchuk> lukins: it's possible to fairly cleanly do a dist-upgrade from sarge to warty, but mixing packages can be troublesome
[11:54] <lukins> so it seems
[11:55] <lukins> has anyone been able to compile a kernel on ubuntu?
[11:55] <speel> is it me or is the ubuntu site going slow
[11:56] <aeruder> lukins: well, i don't use the ubuntu packages for kernels, but i compile plenty
 damnit I can't get to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/forgottenpassword :(
[11:56] <king_arthur> speel: probably you oing to fast 8)
[11:56] <speel> lol
[11:56] <bluefoxicy> anyone know if ubuntulinux.org is down/slow?
[11:56] <speel> lol i just said the same thing
[11:56] <speel> yea its slow for me to
[11:56] <aeruder> its ok for me
[11:56] <bluefoxicy> shet
[11:56] <king_arthur> speel: how much RAM have you got?
[11:56] <speel> 512
[11:57] <bluefoxicy> 768 here
[11:57] <king_arthur> speel: you nee plenty
[11:57] <king_arthur> speel: that's plenty
[11:57] <Cyberjames> ubuntu rocks
[11:57] <speel> i dident say ubuntu is slow im saying is the ubuntu site going slow :P
[11:57] <king_arthur> speel: lol
[11:58] <bluefoxicy> xi seem to not be able to log in as well.
[11:58] <king_arthur> 301 users might be one reason
[11:58] <bluefoxicy> Cyberjames:  it will rock more when it is more secure  :)
[11:59] <ajmitch_> bluefoxicy: 'more secure', such as?
[11:59] <DJCarras> buenas
[11:59] <tux_> man, suprnova had to go down
[11:59] <tux_> oh well...