[12:00] <king_arthur> tux_: suprnova down? that's bad news
[12:00] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  Such as https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JUSNAnalysis  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ProactiveSecurity  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4374
[12:00] <speel> yep but exeem is in the workings
[12:00] <ajmitch_> bluefoxicy: aha
[12:00] <ajmitch_> bluefoxicy: I just read some of those pages a few minutes ago :)
[12:01] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  There have been people working on security hardening Gentoo.  Those efforts are also being focused on Debian by another project.  They're also targetting Ubuntu
[12:01] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  I'm very interested in this stuff, so I've been watching them :)
[12:01] <ajmitch_> bluefoxicy: I'm interested in selinux integration work
[12:02] <|QuaD-> selinux integration?
[12:02] <|QuaD-> i thiunk i came in mid conversation
[12:02] <gen> cocks
[12:02] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  I'm not really much interested in an enterprise-class SELinux policy, but I'm not opposed to it if it's done well enough that it doesn't put 5 more layers of visible cruft in front of the user
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  I think if there is an SELinux policy, there should at least be an option to give sysadmin_t role automagically if you su or login to root; of course, strictly speaking, this may not be the best idea (I am not an access control expert though).  I'm very lazy though :)
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> I don't want to talk about access control; I have no experience with SE/GR/RSBAC/LIDS, nor formal training, so I have nothing interesting and insightful to offer.
[12:04] <ajmitch_> even the strict policy allows direct transition to sysadm_t on login by root
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> interesting.
[12:04] <ajmitch_> getting that working with sudo, su is more fun
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  SE-X?
[12:04] <speel> damn i cant login to the ubuntu site
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> speel:  nor I
[12:05] <ajmitch_> fedora core 3 has a targetted policy that just limits certain daemons
[12:05] <speel> i forgot my pw and for some reason it times out when i try to reset it
[12:05] <ajmitch_> SE-X is being worked on, afaik
[12:05] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  interesting
[12:05] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  I'm fairly certain that the most painful is going to be getting PaX integrated :)
[12:06] <ajmitch_> if PaX is selected as the way to go
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> it's easy enough, except it's ubiquitous and will break incompatible third party software
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> of course, the breakage rate is very very low
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> but it happens
[12:06] <ajmitch_> but certain things like JVMs can hiccup on PaX :)
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> yes
[12:07] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  easy enough to fix with chpax (or paxctl if they have PT_PAX_FLAGS in them; pipacs said he could wire up paxctl to clobber the PT_GNU_STACK marking and alter the ELF header to change it to PT_PAX_FLAGS, since PT_GNU_STACK is useless under PaX)
[12:07] <gpled> i am trying to learn more about ubuntu.  looking at inittab, it looks to me, that ubuntu starts at runlevel 2.  is that correct?
[12:08] <tomchuk> gpled: yup
[12:08] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  the problem is that some things that break under PaX are outside ubuntu's main distribution.
[12:08] <ajmitch_> yup
[12:08] <ajmitch_> and if they work on other distros, people will blame ubuntu
[12:08] <bluefoxicy> Personally I think that since so few things actually have problems with PaX, that it'd be more rewarding to just enable full pax, hardmode, mark what breaks in Ubuntu's world, fix what you can, and let third party developers handle their own sih.t
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> We're talking something liek 20 out of several thousand packages
[12:09] <ajmitch_> yeah
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> heh
[12:10] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  I actually wrote to the Kaffe list and told them how to do a JVM functional under full PaX :)
[12:10] <bluefoxicy> http://www.kaffe.org/pipermail/kaffe/2004-October/099938.html  There it is.
[12:12] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  I think the first concern is going to be SSP though, not PaX.  You read the USN analysis I did, right?  40% of bugs (NOT including kernel bugs) were buffer overflows
[12:12] <bluefoxicy> err, 40% of *exploitable* bugs :)
[12:12] <bluefoxicy> . . . 40% of USNs involved exploitable bugs based in buffer overflows.  THERE.
[12:13] <ACID|net> whats PaX?
[12:13] <bluefoxicy> ACID|net:  proper handling of the NX bit, and emulation of the NX bit on x86
[12:13] <bluefoxicy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaX
[12:14] <Cyberjames> ubuntu livecd rocks
[12:14] <bluefoxicy> yes, very much  ;)
[12:15] <ACID|net> ahh, thats why i aint hard of it :)
[12:15] <ACID|net> *heard
[12:16] <ajmitch_> bluefoxicy: yes, I just watched on irc an online talk by a hardened debian developer
[12:16] <ajmitch_> he was talking about these various things
[12:19] <ACID|net> hhmmm, too many machines on,  got this one, laptop and ubuntu one
[12:19] <ajmitch_> you call that too many? :)
[12:20] <ACID|net> for me yeah ;)
[12:20] <ACID|net> i usually only have this one
[12:20] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch_:  yeah, trulux?
[12:20] <bluefoxicy> he's the guy doing all the work :)
[12:23] <ajmitch_> bluefoxicy: yep :)
[12:24] <Pozac> ACID|net, you can. It's free, and not so hard.
[12:24] <andrew_> hello
[12:25] <ajmitch_> bluefoxicy: I might end up helping out, at the moment I just use a bit of selinux stuff on debian sid
[12:25] <usual> I am using a livecd to try and reinstall grub on my disk hda, I am getting errors like "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly."
[12:26] <andrew_> Can anyone answer me why on Ubuntu I can not run the resolution of 1280x1024?
[12:26] <tux_> andrew_, i missed the discussion... what system are you running it on?
[12:26] <|QuaD-> andrew_: are you sure your card is capable of it
[12:27] <ACID|net> usual: http://www.desktop-linux.net/grub.htm
[12:27] <ACID|net> look at that
[12:27] <ACID|net> and check your doing it right
[12:27] <andrew_> yes
[12:27] <andrew_> very sure. I'm running an ATI 9600 XT
[12:28] <andrew_> in Windows and before I updated it worked.
[12:28] <|QuaD-> andrew_: did you configure your xfree config file right?
[12:28] <andrew_> I should have.
[12:29] <|QuaD-> andrew_: post it online somewhere
[12:29] <tux_> sorry about that...
[12:29] <tux_> closed my tray app
[12:29] <andrew_> I'll upload it...
[12:29] <miausX> hi! :)
[12:29] <Pozac> ehlo :)
[12:29] <miausX> hiiii Pozac ! :D
[12:30] <lexhider> andrew_: I installed a machine with that card, on setup I was given a list of resolution to select/deselect. 1024x768 was selected by default but 1280x1024 wasn't and I had to manually select it.
[12:30] <andrew_> That's not the problem
[12:30] <Pozac> re miausX :)
[12:30] <andrew_> I can't even select it.
[12:30] <|QuaD-> andrew_: where is your config file
[12:31] <andrew_> I have the choices of 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768.
[12:31] <Pozac> Refresh rate set too high?
[12:31] <miausX> anybody uses screen?
[12:31] <andrew_> Hold on, |QuaD-.
[12:31] <Pozac> what monitor?
[12:31] <crimsun> miausX: of course :)
[12:31] <andrew_> http://fast.filespace.org/fenris/XF86Config-4
[12:31] <Pozac> miausX, everybody uses screen
[12:31] <andrew_> The monitor supports 1280x1024.
[12:31] <|QuaD-> i LOVE screen
[12:31] <miausX> crimsun: do you know something about a status bar? :D
[12:31] <siimo> anyone know how long warty will be supported? like security updates etc
[12:31] <miausX> me too :D
[12:31] <crimsun> siimo: 18 months.
[12:31] <crimsun> siimo: says on the web site.
[12:32] <ACID|net> crimsun: Is that after hoary or after relase?
[12:32] <crimsun> ACID|net: come again?
[12:32] <crimsun> siimo: sorry, clarification: "at least" 18 months.
[12:32] <|QuaD-> andrew_: looks good to me
[12:32] <|QuaD-> did you check your logs
[12:32] <|QuaD-> ?
[12:33] <andrew_> meaning?
[12:33] <ACID|net> 18 months after the next release or after warty's release
[12:33] <miausX> put this in your .screenrc:
[12:33] <siimo> ok thanks
[12:33] <miausX> hardstatus on
[12:33] <miausX> hardstatus alwayslastline
[12:33] <miausX> hardstatus string "%{.bW}%-w%{.rW}%n %t%{-}%+w %=%{..G} %H %{..Y} %m/%d %C%a "
[12:33] <|QuaD-> andrew_: your xfree logs, see if they have any hints
[12:33] <miausX> and enjoy :D
[12:33] <crimsun> ACID|net: 18 months following the october 2004 release of warty
[12:33] <andrew_> OK.
[12:34] <miausX> ufff... I can't wait to hoary release... yum! :)~
[12:34] <siimo> crimsun, ?  thought its 18mths after the release of warty
[12:34] <siimo> "Each release is supported for at least 18 months."
[12:34] <siimo> i think that means from when it is released
[12:34] <miausX> |QuaD-: me too, but I preffer E DR17 in hoary yum yum! :D
[12:35] <|QuaD-> E DR17?
[12:35] <Pozac> hehe
[12:35] <Pozac> never gonna happen
[12:35] <miausX> Enlightenment DR17 :D
[12:35] <Pozac> :)
[12:35] <|QuaD-> Pozac: :(
[12:35] <|QuaD-> miausX: oh
[12:35] <miausX> Pozac: hey! I have my DR17 compiled from CVS in my warty right now! :D
[12:36] <andrew_> where would the logs be located |QuaD- ?
[12:36] <|QuaD-> andrew_: /var/logs
[12:36] <crimsun> siimo: that's what I just said.
[12:36] <miausX> |QuaD-: I have a txt about that, I can send it to you if you want :)
[12:36] <|QuaD-> about what?
[12:36] <Pozac> miausX, CVS != release :)
[12:36] <Riddell> |QuaD-: ubuntu won't but there should be a KDE ubuntu one day
[12:36] <Riddell> |QuaD-: canonical ubuntu won't but there should be a KDE ubuntu one day
[12:37] <|QuaD-> Riddell: i know
[12:37] <Pozac> KDE Ubuntu *brr*
[12:37] <|QuaD-> Riddell: a boy can dream can't he?
[12:37] <miausX> hahahahaha
[12:37] <Pozac> Kubuntu.
[12:37] <crimsun> we should all beat up calc for defecting from kde
[12:37] <miausX> lol
[12:37] <crimsun> =P
[12:37] <ACID|net> Riddell: But isnt it easy to install KDE? using apt-get?
[12:37] <|QuaD-> miausX: what do you have a text about?
[12:38] <|QuaD-> ACID|net: its not optimised though
[12:38] <Riddell> crimsun: he hasn't defected that I know of
[12:38] <miausX> |QuaD-: I think nvu is available as precompiled binary: download, untar and execute (like firefox or thunderbird)
[12:38] <|QuaD-> miausX: yeah... it is
[12:38] <andrew_> in the logs file, when it tries to use the res I want it to, it says hsync out of range, any ideas?
[12:38] <crimsun> Riddell: maintainership or daily use? =P
[12:38] <miausX> |QuaD-: compiling, installing and upgrading DR17 from CVS
[12:38] <|QuaD-> andrew_: maybe your syncs are out of range
[12:38] <andrew_> and I guess I should reconfigure x86?
[12:38] <|QuaD-> miausX: i like ubuntu packages
[12:39] <lexhider> andrew_: what monitor are you using?
[12:39] <Pozac> Kbuntu.
[12:39] <andrew_> I have no idea.
[12:39] <miausX> |QuaD-: well... me too, but some packages are old, and I need the latest version
[12:39] <andrew_> But it is compatible with that res, I run that resolution in windows.
[12:39] <|QuaD-> miausX: you running hoary?
[12:39] <|QuaD-> andrew_: your syncs are off though
[12:39] <miausX> |QuaD-: no I don't, I'm in warty :)
[12:39] <|QuaD-> look up the syncs for your monitor
[12:39] <|QuaD-> miausX: i run hoary, new packages :)
[12:40] <miausX> |QuaD-: hehehe, I hope upgrade to hoary in a few days, I can't do that right now :)
[12:40] <deadshell> andrew_, my hsync is 30-90
[12:40] <deadshell> in /etc/X11XF86Config-4
[12:40] <siimo> does ubuntu detect other linux distros while setting up bootloader?
[12:41] <deadshell> *in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:41] <|QuaD-> miausX: i like hoary
[12:41] <|QuaD-> miausX: though it breaks often
[12:41] <miausX> oh :(
[12:41] <tux_> siimo, yea
[12:41] <miausX> |QuaD-: bad thing, I need a distro rock solid
[12:41] <crimsun> hoary seems ok right this instant
[12:41] <tux_> i have 6 including ubuntu on my other laptop
[12:41] <miausX> tux_: O.o
[12:42] <andrew_> hm
[12:42] <ACID|net> tux_: Why??
[12:42] <|QuaD-> crimsun: right now it is good :)
[12:42] <andrew_> i think I'll just reconfigure xconfig
[12:42] <starman12> trying to help friend get his 56k modem to work in linux..its a LTwinmodem for which im trying to install the driver via: sudo dpkg -i lt*.deb..it starts and looks like its going to install but errors out near end iwth : unable to find /etc/modprobe.conf ????
[12:42] <|QuaD-> andrew_: you probably need to set the syncs manually
[12:42] <andrew_> probably.
[12:43] <tux_> andrew_, look up model of monitor on google
[12:43] <siimo> brb going to do a fresh install of ubuntu
[12:43] <andrew_> I did.
[12:43] <tux_> ok
[12:43] <andrew_> and the horizontal syncs are 30-87.5
[12:44] <miausX> oh!!! good news! --> "Patrick Volkerding is back, feeling much better"
[12:45] <miausX> I was a slackware user... good times (but not better than Ubuntu :)
[12:45] <|QuaD-> anyone here use mozilla suite?
[12:45] <miausX> |QuaD-: no, sorry :S
[12:47] <nyktovus> how do i add something to a menu?
[12:47] <aeruder> miausX: really??
[12:47] <aeruder> miausX: awesome
[12:50] <miausX> aeruder: well, slack is a good distro for a server, but you know... ubuntu (installed with custom)... hum! :D
[12:50] <eruin> azureus is pretty damn nice
[12:50] <eruin> perfect gtk2 integration if I ever saw a java app do that
[12:50] <aeruder> miausX: yea, i know... but its good to hear he is back
[12:50] <Xenguy> miausX: they don't tell what really happened tho
[12:50] <aeruder> i'm not a slack fan in any way :)
[12:50] <tux_> eruin, yea, but if there are no torrents to get
[12:51] <eruin> I've got lotsa torrents to fetch ;)
[12:51] <tux_> suprnova had to go by-gy
[12:51] <eruin> oh
[12:51] <eruin> thepiratebay.org
[12:51] <tux_> byebye
[12:51] <eruin> ;>
[12:51] <miausX> :D
[12:51] <tux_> lol
[12:51] <tux_> thks
[12:51] <eruin> suprnova always sucked anyway ;)
[12:51] <kebac> I have never used any linux before, only BSD:s. I want to try some linux on my desktop. Could Ubuntu do it?
[12:51] <miausX> kebac: what bsd?
[12:51] <eruin> kebac, ofcourse ;)
[12:52] <eruin> ubuntu is the mother of all linux desktops
[12:52] <aeruder> kebac: yep
[12:52] <miausX> hahahahaha
[12:52] <kebac> miausX: NetBSD and FreeBSD
[12:52] <nyktovus> how can i make my login face use a logo?
[12:52] <nyktovus> or a picture?
[12:52] <miausX> kebac: you'll love Ubuntu :D
[12:52] <kebac> miausX: right :)
[12:52] <kebac> i will give it a try
[12:52] <miausX> kebac: I have FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE installed into my slave disk... I don't boot in FBSD since months :D
[12:53] <kebac> miausX: i have BSD:s only on servers, windows on desktops
[12:53] <miausX> kebac: well... If you like build all from source etc etc, maybe gentoo is your choice
[12:53] <kebac> miausX: once had Freebsd on desktop, too bad HDD broke down
[12:53] <miausX> aha, oks :)
[12:53] <eruin> nyktovus, check System -> Settings -> Logon picture
[12:53] <lexhider> kebac: IMHO the *best* linux distros to use are either debian or ubuntu, they are very closely related.
[12:54] <nyktovus> wheres that?
[12:54] <jon1012> has anyone used the last xfce rc2 under ubuntu ? :)
[12:54] <Pozac> nyktovus, You need to choose a gdm theme with a chooser..
[12:54] <kebac> miausX: i want everything just to work without scratching my head too much:)
[12:54] <nyktovus> i dont have a system menu
[12:54] <jon1012> (compiled from source)
[12:54] <eruin> lexhider, for desktops, I'd say ubuntu or gentoo
[12:54] <starman12> does anyone know if they are working on getting better 56k modem support in ubuntu ?
[12:54] <eruin> ubuntu is more of a desktop-focused debian
[12:54] <miausX> kebac: yep, Ubuntu is a VERY GOOD desktop, and why not, an excelent server (distrowatch.com replaces a debian woody by FBSD, but Ubuntu was here too)
[12:54] <ACID|net> is gentoo really hard to install??
[12:54] <lexhider> kebac: I've used openbsd, freebsd, netbsd, gentoo, mandrake, redhat, fedora.
[12:54] <nyktovus> it has a chooser, my little login face is some dudes shadow with a question mark for a nose
[12:55] <starman12> ACID|net, generally yes UNTIL you've done it a few times
[12:55] <miausX> ACID|net: in my opinion, yes
[12:55] <eruin> ACID|net, not really.. YMMV ofc
[12:55] <starman12> heh
[12:55] <Pozac> in my opinion no
[12:55] <miausX> kebac: oh, well... Ubuntu is for you :)
[12:55] <ACID|net> if u read the handbook is it ok?
[12:55] <eruin> ACID|net, yeah
[12:55] <starman12> gentoo IMO is way overkill for the GAIN
[12:55] <eruin> actually my gentoo runs like a breeze
[12:55] <crimsun> I love Gentoo.
[12:55] <pepsi> whorey
[12:55] <kebac> miausX: ok :)
[12:56] <starman12> and its NOT going to attract suzie homemaker anyway..so I say ubuntu rules..and we do want new users right ? <G>
[12:56] <miausX> ACID|net: well... the handbook is wonderful, but I preffer install FBSD, no gentoo :)
[12:56] <crimsun> The file manager, that is, not the distro, though I suppose the distro ain't half-shabby either.
[12:56] <ACID|net> i want to have ubuntu, gentoo, slackware, freebsd on my machine
[12:56] <eruin> I just use ubuntu because I'm the apt-get dist-upgrade-every-day kind of user, and recompiling my entire system every other day isn't my cup of tea ;)
[12:56] <crimsun> well, get to it, ACID|net. Xen's a free download.
[12:57] <miausX> eruin: lol
[12:57] <starman12> eruin, I think MOST would agree with you...
[12:57] <kebac> eruin: i completely agree
[12:57] <eruin> other than that, gentoo is wonderful
[12:57] <kebac> in BSD:s i like that they dont need to be upgraded as often as linuxes do
[12:58] <eruin> ubuntu has a much friendlier community though ;)
[12:58] <kebac> :)
[12:58] <Pozac> Now appreciate that fact or we'll bash you good.
[12:58] <Pozac> ;)
[12:58] <eruin> hehe
[12:59] <miausX> ACID|net: well, my experience: slackware (a very good distro, simple, rock solid, excellent server, but with few packages ready to install), gentoo (good distro, but I preffer ports from FBSD, the same but better)
[12:59] <lexhider> kebac: you don't have to upgrade woody very often.
[12:59] <Pozac> lexhider, When did you last upgrade your woody?
[01:00] <lexhider> that sounds a bit like a personal question.
[01:00] <kebac> lexhider: actually i have never seriously even tried linux on my own machines.. but my friend uses linux and he upgrates his OS's almost daily
[01:00] <Pozac> it is. :)
[01:00] <eruin> haha
[01:00] <ACID|net> whats a good way to get to know a lot of distros? after installation?? Install a few packages, what else?
[01:00] <Pozac> ls -l ?
[01:00] <eruin> kebac, sounds like he's following the development branch
[01:00] <miausX> ACID|net: well... run services :)
[01:00] <miausX> Pozac: loooooooooooooooool
[01:00] <|QuaD-> now here is my question, how different is using firefox, thunderbird, and sunbird then just using the mozilla suite?
[01:01] <miausX> |QuaD-: what is sunbird?
[01:01] <aeruder> calendar
[01:01] <Pozac> |QuaD-, much!
[01:01] <miausX> oh oks :)
[01:01] <|QuaD-> Pozac: why?
[01:01] <kebac> eruin: he maintains quite a large web site...
[01:01] <eruin> |QuaD-, well, afaik the mozilla suite is dead
[01:01] <ACID|net> miausX: Like what??? Apache, mysql etc?
[01:01] <lexhider> quad: not a great deal, just a clean UI .
[01:01] <Pozac> |QuaD-, like debian and ubuntu ;)
[01:01] <eruin> |QuaD-, it's almost like comparing opera to using firefox/thunderbird though
[01:01] <eruin> ;P
[01:01] <aeruder> mozilla suite is not dead
[01:01] <|QuaD-> eruin: its not dead
[01:02] <eruin> mozillas default browser is firefox, anyway
[01:02] <Pozac> |QuaD-, mozilla is the old stuff that helped create the architecture, firefox, thunderbird and sunbird are made for the people :)
[01:02] <miausX> ACID|net: apache, mysql, vsftpd, bind, cups, samba, sshd, postfix, squirrelmail, dhcpd, ntpd, and iptables :D
[01:02] <|QuaD-> Pozac: I don't think you are right, from my understanding, sunbird is jsut a standalone mozilla calc
[01:02] <|QuaD-> *calendar
[01:02] <|QuaD-> and same with thunderbird
[01:03] <eruin> |QuaD-, yes. in mozillasuite you get everything, while the birds and foxes are standalone things
[01:03] <miausX> ACID|net: it's only an idea... run services = install packages, fight with configuration files, compile the kernel... etc
[01:03] <Pozac> so they finally merged?
[01:03] <lexhider> quad: sunbird is still a fair way away from a 1.0 unlike firefox and thunderbird.
[01:03] <eruin> who merged?
[01:03] <|QuaD-> eruin: so... what is the advantage to the birds?
[01:03] <kebac> me and your mother
[01:03] <Pozac> firefox and mozilla?
[01:03] <|QuaD-> lexhider: right
[01:03] <eruin> yeah
[01:03] <eruin> as of 1.0
[01:03] <kebac> :)
[01:03] <Pozac> oh
[01:03] <ACID|net> miausX: So get them setup on one distro, check its all working then do it all over again with another??? (more or less)
[01:04] <Pozac> all for the better i suppose
[01:04] <eruin> which is why firefox is splashed all over mozilla.org front :P
[01:04] <Pozac> ACID|net, any old hardware lying around?
[01:04] <ACID|net> yep
[01:04] <miausX> ACID|net: oh, well... I don't know... :)
[01:04] <ACID|net> P120, 16mb and a 166, 64mb
[01:04] <miausX> ACID|net: it was only an idea :)
[01:04] <Pozac> ACID|net, so make that work
[01:04] <Pozac> :)
[01:04] <miausX> ACID|net: yuuuuuuuum! good server :D
[01:05] <Pozac> with all the distros
[01:05] <tux_> ACID|net, Damnsmall will work on it
[01:05] <|QuaD-> eruin: so mozilla suit has firefox and thunderbird?
[01:05] <miausX> use it as a gateway, firewall...
[01:05] <tux_> i have one running hre
[01:05] <ACID|net> hmmm, if i remember correctly freebsd is running apache on it
[01:05] <ACID|net> which i did last year
[01:05] <ACID|net> but i cant fully remember
[01:05] <miausX> tux_: I have feathe linux installed in my usb stick :D
[01:05] <eruin> |QuaD-, no
[01:05] <miausX> feather*
[01:05] <|QuaD-> eruin: i meant the equivalent
[01:05] <curvycom> I'm fairly new to linux, using Ubuntu, can anyone suggest a good gui daemon manager?
[01:05] <eruin> |QuaD-, mozilla _suite_ is the same old mozilla browser / mozilla mail, etc
[01:06] <eruin> but the browser focused on by mozilla is now firefox
[01:06] <|QuaD-> so mozilla suite is old?
[01:06] <miausX> curvycom: hum... I use console + vim... but did you try webmin?
[01:06] <Pozac> I never quite understood why services-admin was left out.
[01:06] <eruin> I think theres a roadmap or something on mozilla.org that explains that
[01:06] <|QuaD-> eruin: i was looking for something
[01:06] <|QuaD-> couldn't find anything
[01:07] <|QuaD-> imho, thunderbird and sunbird should be seemlessly integrated
[01:07] <Pozac> imho, I don't care.
[01:07] <Pozac> Evolution takes the cake.
[01:07] <|QuaD-> Pozac: i didn't like evolution
[01:07] <|QuaD-> i like kpim :(
[01:07] <eruin> I think firefox,thunderbird and sunbirds main seelingpoint is that theyre standalone
[01:08] <curvycom> miausX not yet, but I'm a newbee as I say.  THis system is great tho, it does every thing I need on my laptop.  I just thought a GUI based daemon manager might be a good learning tool for me.
[01:08] <miausX> hum, imho evolution has too much things, I like thunderbird (more simple)
[01:08] <curvycom> thanks
[01:08] <eruin> while if you really must have a monolithic environment, you use the suite
[01:08] <|QuaD-> eruin: yeah.... but i want my contacts integrated with my calendar, no?
[01:08] <eruin> and thunderbird/firefox has some cross-functionality if I'm not mistaken
[01:08] <eruin> err integration I mean
[01:09] <lexhider> thunderbird is OK but it SUCKS for reading mailing lists.
[01:09] <miausX> lol
[01:09] <miausX> mutt rocks! ;)
[01:09] <Pozac> cross-integration?
[01:09] <eruin> that's what I saw on the stuff installed on windows here until I ripped that out and installed ubuntu for my old daddeh
[01:09] <|QuaD-> lexhider: what do you reccomend
[01:09] <eruin> gmail is perfect for lists ;P
[01:09] <miausX> hahahahaha
[01:09] <|QuaD-> gmail is great... it gets a copy of all my email for backup
[01:10] <miausX> yep :D
[01:10] <|QuaD-> miausX: have you used nvu?
[01:10] <miausX> hum... yep
[01:10] <|QuaD-> do you like/
[01:10] <lexhider> quad: if you're after gui, I haven't found any thing that fights all my needs, but I'm currently using evolution.
[01:10] <|QuaD-> lexhider: ohh ok
[01:11] <Pozac> fight that need, boy :)
[01:11] <lexhider> gmail is great for email but I can't comment on using it with mailing lists.
[01:11] <miausX> |QuaD-: well, I preffer txt2tags + vim :)
[01:11] <Pozac> I'm off.. sleep tight
[01:11] <miausX> hehehehe
[01:11] <|QuaD-> lexhider: it is great for mailing lists
[01:11] <|QuaD-> miausX: haha
[01:11] <lexhider> s/fights/fits
[01:11] <Pozac> gkpim
[01:11] <kebac> i wonder how much gmail has HDD space...
[01:11] <Pozac> gtkkpim
[01:11] <|QuaD-> haha
[01:11] <lexhider> gmail = 1gig
[01:11] <|QuaD-> you should start the port
[01:11] <|QuaD-> gmail=great.... google never ceases to amaze me
[01:11] <kebac> lexhider: yeah, but total for all users
[01:12] <Pozac> kebac, enough. Its a cluster.
[01:12] <miausX> |QuaD-: hey! I only have to write a simple txt file (with a few tags) and I'll get an xhtml transitional document :D
[01:12] <kebac> Pozac: i know that
[01:12] <Pozac> all hail google
[01:12] <|QuaD-> miausX: i don't know how to use it
[01:12] <ctr> anyone got an ibook with external display working ?
[01:13] <miausX> |QuaD-: I use it to write documentation with latex output
[01:13] <lexhider> imagine it's crazy growth if/when anyone can get an account.
[01:13] <miausX> |QuaD-: what? nvu or txt2tags?
[01:13] <eruin> http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html
[01:13] <eruin> there 'tis ;)
[01:14] <eruin> Focus development efforts on the new standalone applications: the browser currently code-named Firefox, the Mozilla Thunderbird mail/news application, and standalone composer and other apps based on the the new XUL toolkit used by Firefox and Thunderbird. We aim to make Firefox and Thunderbird our premier products, and encourage extension authors and other ISVs to target these applications for their work as well.
[01:14] <|QuaD-> miausX: txt2tag...
[01:14] <|QuaD-> eruin: lemme look (seems logical name)
[01:14] <eruin> (almost get the feeling they're worried about yet another rename of firefox)
[01:14] <miausX> |QuaD-: aha, oks... give me a moment
[01:14] <miausX> |QuaD-: here it is: http://txt2tags.sourceforge.net/
[01:15] <|QuaD-> eruin: isn't it kind of counter intuitive not to make thunderbird a full pim?
[01:15] <miausX> |QuaD-: download the latest version, untar it and execute it, it's only a python script
[01:15] <|QuaD-> miausX: let me first read if i like it :)
[01:16] <miausX> in the tarball are documentation, samples, a menu for gvim, syntax color for kate, vim, emacs, nano... all :D
[01:16] <DigiKill> anyone usin a apple pro kb and apple mouse in here?
[01:16] <lexhider> eruin: I like following unix philosophy of doing one thing well.
[01:16] <DigiKill> how the hell does one RIGHT Click in here...apple keys not workin
[01:16] <miausX> |QuaD-: of course! :))
[01:17] <|QuaD-> miausX: seems interesting, yet a gui is easier
[01:17] <eruin> |QuaD-, pim?
[01:17] <lexhider> miausX: what's the output like, e.g. could you edit the resulting html/latex by hand or is it ugly like your average WYSIWYG html editor.
[01:17] <miausX> |QuaD-: I know :D
[01:17] <eruin> lexhider, yeah :)
[01:18] <miausX> lexhider: no no, output is perfect! I write the txt with tags, later I have a tex document, output of txt2tags, and at last I edit the tex file with vim + latex-suite :D
[01:18] <|QuaD-> eruin: like evolution, personal information manager, keeps track of contacts, calendar, to do list and notes
[01:18] <miausX> works perfect :)
[01:19] <miausX> lexhider: oh! and if you want an indented html/xhtml document you can use tidy (and yes, it validates like xhtml transitional) :D
[01:20] <lexhider> cool, if you think it would be good in the archives you could suggest it at supported seed thing on wiki
[01:20] <miausX> lexhider: if you don't like the default packages for latex, you can add new packages... if you want to remove or replace the current default packages you can edit by hand the txt2tags scripts, is easy :)
[01:22] <miausX> lexhider: well, there is an ubuntu package, but it's txt2tags 1.7, a VERY old version (latest 2.1, has many new features)
[01:22] <|QuaD-> when is nvu going to make it to hoary???
[01:22] <miausX> I can write a doc in the wiki explaining how to download, setup and use txt2tags (the latest version)
[01:22] <eruin> pah.
[01:23] <|QuaD-> miausX: you should
[01:23] <miausX> hahahaha oks :)
[01:23] <|QuaD-> but i still want a wysiwyg editor :)
[01:23] <miausX> i'll take note of that :)
[01:23] <miausX> |QuaD-: for editing html files?
[01:24] <|QuaD-> creating simple ones
[01:24] <miausX> I only know three: bluefish, quanta and nvu
[01:24] <[Cliff] > hi guys... i'm trying to start a new thread on the 3rd party forum but i keep getting a "can't do that" message. any ideas?
[01:24] <miausX> oh! and anjuta
[01:24] <|QuaD-> miausX: yeah... i am planning on using nvu
[01:25] <|QuaD-> miausX: also OOo has one
[01:25] <miausX> |QuaD-: yep... hum, do you know bluefish?
[01:25] <lexhider> miausX: I didn't realize there was a package already, it's in universe is it?
[01:25] <|QuaD-> miausX: i use that for php development
[01:25] <miausX> lexhider: hum... yep, maybe, I have universe and multiverse enabled in my sources.list :)
[01:25] <miausX> |QuaD-: aha oks :)
[01:26] <eruin> gedit is your friend :P
[01:26] <miausX> eruin: vim and gvim! of course ;D
[01:26] <miausX> oohhh... vim in my xterm with terminus font :D~
[01:27] <miausX> hum, time to sleep a bit, see you later! :)
[01:29] <siimo> hi can anyone tell me how to get Computer and Trash icon on desktop? and
[01:29] <eruin> vim? blasphemy
[01:30] <siimo> how to get the gnome desktop preferences in the "Main Menu"
[01:30] <eruin> whats that package with w32 codecs named?
[01:31] <prak> w32codecs
[01:32] <siimo> hello
[01:33] <|QuaD-> i might give in and just install nvu from the binaries on their site when i go home :(
[01:35] <siimo> ok i got the first part .. id really like to get these desktop preferences in main menu i dont use this manu bar menu
[01:35] <ACID|net> does Integrated Windows Authentication work on non-microsoft browers??
[01:36] <oak> siimo: you can use the gconf-editor
[01:37] <alka_trash> siimo: open gconf-editor and do a search for trash
[01:37] <oak> the keys i think you are looking for are in /app/nautilus/desktop
[01:37] <siimo> i got the trash part thanks
[01:37] <siimo> but i need to know how to add gnome desktop preferences to the main menu
[01:38] <prak> i need some help with DVD playback.. it was working when i first installed ubuntu.
[01:39] <eruin> w32codecs seems to be gone
[01:39] <oak> do you mean under "applications" instead of "computer"?
[01:39] <siimo> oak , alka_trash AKA the stuff shown in gnome control center
[01:39] <siimo> yes
[01:39] <lexhider> prak: what app are you using.
[01:39] <siimo> im using the main menu (not menu bar(
[01:40] <eruin> marillat
[01:40] <eruin> ahhheh
[01:40] <oak> in nautilus
[01:40] <oak> type control + l and type "applications://"
[01:40] <oak> i think you can just add a launcher there
[01:40] <oak> ?
[01:41] <siimo> launcher to what?
[01:41] <DigiKill> anyone on Ubuntu w. a Mac?
[01:42] <alka_trash> I was thinking about putting ubuntu on an g3, but haven't gotten to it
[01:42] <jdub> morning ajmitch_
[01:42] <jdub> thanks for the log mail
[01:42] <jon1012>  is there some geeks having geek codes here ? ;)
[01:42] <DigiKill> alka_trash: so far its nice on ppc....
[01:42] <jon1012> (just to know if people continue to use geek codes lol)
[01:42] <alka_trash> really, what type of mac
[01:42] <aeruder> geek codes ?
[01:42] <DigiKill> Dual 533 G4
[01:42] <sjoerd> DigiKill: i've got debian on mine, but that's mostly the same
[01:42] <jon1012> http://www.geekcode.com/
[01:42] <alka_trash> sounds great
[01:43] <alka_trash> any hardware problems
[01:43] <sjoerd> DigiKill: in ubuntu mmb and rmb are f11 and f12 by default iirc
[01:43] <DigiKill> sjoerd: have you got a regular mac mouse? im tryin to rightclick in Firefox to save/get wallpapers...
[01:43] <jon1012> mine is : GCS/IT/PA/SS/CC/AT d(++) s: a19 C++(++++)$>$ UL+++ P++ L++++ !E--- W+++ N++ o+ K-? w--- !O M-- V- PS++ PE- Y+ PGP++ t+ 5? X R+ tv+ b+++ D++ G++ e++ h! r% y++*
[01:43] <DigiKill> alka_trash: the only thing ive seen is the Adaptec SCSI card botches install
[01:44] <DigiKill> as far as hardware screwups
[01:44] <oak> siimo: open the gnome help
[01:45] <oak> siimo: there is a whole bunch in the desktop user guide (working with menus / customizing)
[01:46] <sjoerd> DigiKill: yeah apple mouse (well apple trackpad :)
[01:46] <alka_trash> do the new hoary packages work?
[01:46] <siimo> ok thx
[01:47] <alka_trash> I guess I'll just have to wait
[01:47] <speel> i wouldent use hoary packes
[01:47] <alka_trash> they are so fun though
[01:48] <speel> to unstable
[01:48] <alka_trash> true, they are that
[01:49] <speel> i rember i upgraded my system to current it went poof
[01:49] <crimsun> alka_trash: hoary packages of what?
[01:49] <alka_trash> last night I upgraded my xorg packages and xorg stopped working
[01:49] <speel> lol
[01:49] <crimsun> that was fixed over 7 hours ago
[01:49] <crimsun> in 8
[01:49] <alka_trash> I'm in the process of updating again
[01:50] <lexhider> alka_trash: should be fixed now.
[01:50] <speel> hoary is horrid as of right now
[01:50] <aeruder> yes it is
[01:50] <crimsun> actually, hoary works quite well _right now_
[01:50] <aeruder> python is causing many probs :)
[01:50] <speel> hey um does any one have problems with the cd player? mine seems to have no sound
[01:51] <aeruder> which cd player?
[01:51] <aeruder> is it analog or digital ?
[01:51] <speel> you know when you put in a music cd in and the cdplayer program comes up
[01:51] <DigiKill> sjoerd: any clue on how to tweak either the KB or the apple pro mouse settings to make it Right Click?
[01:52] <aeruder> if its analog, you have to make sure you have your CD in your mixer controls is turned up
[01:52] <DigiKill> i set my KB to Macintosh_normal i believe in the KB settings so far...but i still dont have Apple or even Win button capabilities.
[01:52] <aeruder> and that you DO actually have a cable going from the analog out of your cd-rom drive going to your sound card
[01:52] <alka_trash> I'm back in X land :)
[01:52] <speel> its all up ;(
[01:52] <sjoerd> DigiKill: does cat /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation  output 1 for you ?
[01:53] <DigiKill> one sec...
[01:53] <speel> oo noo lol im just taking about when you pop in a music cd in to hear it on your comp
[01:54] <aeruder> speel: i know...
[01:54] <DigiKill> yep sjoerd
[01:54] <DigiKill> output 1
[01:54] <aeruder> speel: some newer computers do not have the cd-rom drive connected to the sound card, and thus can only do digital extraction to play cds
[01:54] <aeruder> and most linux cd players will not do that
[01:55] <speel> it worked on slack
[01:55] <aeruder> speel: what kernel you using?
[01:55] <speel> 1.6
[01:55] <speel> 2.6
[01:55] <DigiKill> wb alka_trash
[01:55] <aeruder> try running alsamixer and making sure your cd device is both unmuted (shouldn't have the MM at the top) and turned up
[01:55] <alka_trash> thanks, the colors are so bright
[01:56] <DigiKill> you in xchat vs. irssi or somethin?
[01:56] <alka_trash> irssi
[01:56] <speel> yea =/ cd is all the way up
[01:56] <alka_trash> it was a small CLI adventure
[01:56] <lexhider> aeruder: do you have more than one CD drive? Have you successfully played a CD before on your setup.
[01:57] <sjoerd> DigiKill: and cat /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode
[01:57] <DigiKill> ahh....my cli isnt set right colorwise yet....as i just got done reinstallin
[01:57] <DigiKill> sjoerd:
[01:57] <aeruder> lexhider: sure
[01:57] <DigiKill> 88
[01:58] <aeruder> lexhider: and on one of my cds i can play analog, and one i have to play with digital extraction
[01:59] <aeruder> ok, so everything is working in hoary right now?
[01:59] <speel> ... weird lol gxine plays my cds
[01:59] <DigiKill> gxine?  i musta missed that one so far
[01:59] <aeruder> speel: it probably uses digital extraction.. you can see if you adjust the pcm in your mixer and it adjusts the cd output
[01:59] <aeruder> that means its using digital out
[01:59] <aeruder> if its adjusted by using the cd control in your mixer, that means its using analog and something with the default player is screwy :)
[02:00] <speel> ah well
[02:00] <sjoerd> DigiKill: that's F12, so F12 should do rmb for you
[02:00] <speel> thanks ;)
[02:00] <DigiKill> sjoerd: you are the master.....TY
[02:01] <DigiKill> thats bugged me for a bit over 24 hrs
[02:02] <DigiKill> anyone have any TCL compile problems yet?   i got errors trying to configure n make an eggdrop bot
[02:05] <speel> man all these consoles running linux .. ps2,xbox lol they should try gameboy
[02:05] <weinstein> trying to install 56k modem for friend in ubuntu ..dpkg -i ltmodem*.deb starts up fine but can't get past not being able to find : /etc/modprobe.conf..is there anything I can do to get around this ?
[02:05] <DigiKill> lol speel....that'd be entertaining
[02:06] <speel> lol yea it would
[02:06] <DigiKill> weinstein: noclue on that one as modems and i have never gotten along on linux...or in general for that matter
[02:06] <roo9> weinstein: touch /etc/modprobe.conf
[02:07] <roo9> weinstein: that was a known-issue with the debian ltmodem, must have carried over to ubuntu
[02:07] <prak> ok.. lexhider.. sorry i had to go away a bit
[02:07] <prak> i am using xine
[02:07] <speel> is any of the ubuntu team in here?
[02:07] <roo9> root@season:~ # ping6 fe80::203:93ff:fee9:5484
[02:07] <roo9> connect: Invalid argument
[02:07] <prak> and my DVD playback stopped working
[02:07] <lexhider> do you have libdvdcss2 installed?
[02:07] <weinstein> roo9, so your saying its unlikely to work
[02:07] <prak> yes
[02:07] <prak> for some reason
[02:07] <DigiKill> sjoerd: you ever do a kernel compile to use as virtual terminal?
[02:07] <prak> though
[02:07] <lexhider> do you have correct /dev/dvd symlink?
[02:07] <roo9> weinstein: just create an empty /etc/modprobe.conf and it works fine
[02:08] <roo9> weinstein: with touch /etc/modprobe.conf
[02:08] <prak> yes for that too.. it points to /dev/hdc
[02:08] <weinstein> roo9, I tried touching it but didn't work....
[02:08] <prak> which is basically my DVD+CDROM
[02:08] <roo9> weinstein: what's the error now?
[02:08] <weinstein> roo9, I tried touching it ( I reached out man!) buit nada
[02:08] <sjoerd> DigiKill: don't understand what you mean, sorry
[02:08] <weinstein> roo9, it just can't find the file thats all
[02:08] <lexhider> prak: warty or hoary?
[02:08] <prak> hoary
[02:08] <prak> i was coming to that
[02:08] <roo9> weinstein: touching the file creates the file... so it now will find it if you try again
[02:09] <roo9> weinstein: ls -l /etc/modprobe.conf
[02:09] <prak> it worked in warty
[02:09] <weinstein> roo9, ie: sudo dpkg -i ltmodem*.deb..it starts up but can't find  modprobe.conf
[02:09] <weinstein> reading
[02:09] <prak> upgrade to hoary broke it i believe
[02:09] <roo9> did ubuntu ever send out the CD's they promised? I never got any....
[02:09] <weinstein> roo9, well sadly I can't..i'm in  windows (ICK) atm so im a bit screwed on that front.so illl have to just try it again when i go back to ubuntu
[02:09] <DigiKill> sjoerd: a buddy of mine compiled up a slack kernel to use as an emulation of slack on his gentoo box : was just curious if you'd heard of anyone doing that...
[02:09] <sjoerd> roo9: i got mine
[02:09] <lexhider> roo9: I got mine.
[02:10] <roo9> weinstein: yes, you will
[02:10] <roo9> :-(
[02:10] <DigiKill> roo9: i never got mine...been over 6 weeks now
[02:10] <roo9> i never got mine, it's been.. since ubuntu was first /.'ed
[02:10] <lexhider> prak: I'm currently upgrading to hoary. but the deal with hoary is that you can expect stuff to be broken.
[02:10] <weinstein> roo9, comforting LOL
[02:10] <DigiKill> damn!
[02:10] <sjoerd> roo9: on the site you can get info about shipping iirc
[02:10] <prak> i agree
[02:10] <roo9> hrmm
[02:10] <speel> yea lol /. should stop killing sites
[02:10] <roo9> perhaps because I ordered alot.....
[02:10] <sjoerd> DigiKill: an emulation of slack ?
[02:11] <DigiKill> sjoerd: basically...to build off the kernel within his system
[02:11] <weinstein> roo9, i'm pretty sure even after touching that I was getting : no such file or DIR on /etc/modprobe.conf..but if you are SURE im willing to reconnect the HD he uses for linux and try again..if your wrong i'm COMING FOR YOU
[02:11] <DigiKill> rather than a dualboot
[02:11] <lexhider> prak: you might try mplayer which is a pretty good vid player.
[02:11] <sjoerd> DigiKill: you mean UML ?
[02:12] <DigiKill> cuz i got a debian kernel here, and the drive space to use it in now
[02:12] <DigiKill> thats it sjoerd....
[02:12] <weinstein> roo9, lol
[02:12] <weinstein> anyway...im going now...prepare for earthquake if this doesn't work <<
[02:14] <sjoerd> DigiKill: never used it
[02:14] <billytwowilly> anybody know anything about cigars?
[02:15] <DigiKill> sjoerd: cool...just checking : ty
[02:18] <roo9> billytwowilly: /join #cigars
[02:19] <billytwowilly> roo9, cyberjames was in there but he left..
[02:20] <billytwowilly> roo9, noone else is there.
[02:20] <Cyberjames> billytwowilly: yes?
[02:20] <billytwowilly> roo9, told me to join #cigars  assume you know something about the fine art of smoking cigars?;)
[02:20] <roo9> billytwowilly: then /server irc.prison.net && /join #cigars
[02:22] <billytwowilly> Cyberjames, a montecristo in a cigar tube with a red top and with a purplish cigar wrapper thingy came into my possession recently. Is that a decent cigar, and if so how much is it worth?
[02:23] <prak> hmm.. well lexhider... the last time i tried to fix all this, i had reinstalled xine libxine1 etc...
[02:23] <prak> i thought i tried then... it did not work.. but now it seems to be working ok
[02:23] <roo9> billytwowilly: not the channel for cigar talk.
[02:23] <prak> not sure what broke.. but reinstalling those packages fixed it...
[02:24] <prak> the error i was getting was about an invalid MRL as one possibility and a pcm unlock function also reported failure
[02:24] <prak> whatever it was is gone now!
[02:26] <|QuaD-> i finally broke down, installing nvu
[02:31] <imka> hi
[02:31] <imka> how do i restart the xserver? afaik there's some command
[02:32] <deadshell> imka,  startx
[02:35] <jedi> for us heretics who want to play mp3s in warty, what's the best way of going about it?
[02:35] <DigiKill> jedi...i like xmms
[02:37] <derf> anyone know how I can get mplayer installed under warty?  I've got universe and multiverse in my sources.list and i still can't apt-get install mplayer-686.  I'm looking at the debs in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/ right now, but they don't install by hand cleanly
[02:37] <jedi> DigiKill: thanks :)
[02:38] <DigiKill> no prob jedi.....i liked it cuz it was like winamp...only WAY more stable ;)
[02:39] <punkrockguy318> jedi, even better is beep-media-player
[02:39] <jedi> heh, i use it as well on my other box, but i thought there were some 'mp3s are evil' stuff going on, which (while they are evil) wasn't really an inconveniance :)
[02:39] <punkrockguy318> jedi, it's xmms souped up with gtk2 and much more features
[02:39] <jedi> i see... might take a look
[02:39] <DigiKill> punkrockguy318: beep-media player huh?
[02:39] <punkrockguy318> jedi, but make sure you get the new version
[02:40] <punkrockguy318> jedi, the one in universe is old an buggy
[02:40] <punkrockguy318> DigiKill, yeah, check it out
[02:40] <siimo> how come i cant reduce or increase the number of workspaces in gnome??
[02:40] <siimo> is this a ubuntu bug
[02:40] <punkrockguy318> siimo, you can
[02:40] <punkrockguy318> siimo, right click on the workspaces in the corner
[02:41] <punkrockguy318> and hit prefernences
[02:41] <jedi> siimo: works for me.. :)
[02:41] <siimo> punkrockguy318, no matter what number i select they stay 5
[02:41] <siimo> stay 4
[02:41] <siimo> i meant
[02:41] <jedi> are you on warty?
[02:41] <punkrockguy318> siimo, odd
[02:41] <siimo> yes
[02:41] <jedi> very odd
[02:41] <siimo> watry clean install
[02:41] <siimo> havent even installed any updates
[02:41] <DigiKill> very very odd..
[02:41] <DigiKill> i just put mine up to 6
[02:41] <DigiKill> on a fresh install today
[02:42] <siimo> if i change the row numbers then it gets spilt into rows
[02:42] <siimo> but workspace number wont change
[02:42] <DigiKill> tho siimo, did you do the ubuntu update during install?
[02:42] <siimo> no
[02:42] <DigiKill> ahhh.....thats probly it...cuz i did the update durin install...
[02:42] <DigiKill> mine works fine :S
[02:42] <siimo> i dont think this will be broken in watry
[02:43] <DigiKill> im in a fresh install of warty myself
[02:43] <DigiKill> just finished it an hour or so ago
[02:43] <DigiKill> bout 2 hrs ago....my bad
[02:43] <DigiKill> time flys when you're huntin for packages
[02:45] <jon1012> lol
[02:47] <siimo> humm
[02:47] <Folletto> italian ?
[02:49] <siimo> ok weird its fixed now
[02:49] <siimo> i removed gnome-applets and installed them again
[02:51] <grelli> where do you change the window manager in gnome 2.8?
[02:52] <mike_douglas> /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager in gconf
[02:54] <grelli> why thank you mike_douglas
[02:55] <billytwowilly> grelli, Look at #lsd
[03:01] <hazmat> anyone know how to get emacs keybindings in xchat? ctl-A moves to front of line, but i can get ctrl-k to copy and kill line.
[03:02] <hazmat> aha.. nm just figured it out, there was some default keybinding for ctrl-k, removed that and it works
[03:16] <imka> any1 here?
[03:16] <mike_douglas> no
[03:16] <imka> cause i wanna give out some gmail invites :D
[03:16] <imka> who wants one?
[03:18] <mdke> *laughs*
[03:19] <speel> http://www.speel3k.net/Screenshot.png :D
[03:21] <imka> pm me for gmail invitations!!!
[03:22] <aeruder> or pm me! or pm half the channel prolly, heh
[03:22] <aeruder> there seems to be a surplus of gmail invites :)
[03:22] <imka> yea, it looks like
[03:22] <imka> i made the same call on #debian and i got one pm
[03:23] <imka> lol
[03:23] <imka> i have 8 left
[03:23] <mdke> imka, make a channel for gmail invites
[03:25] <liquidboy> hey
[03:26] <liquidboy> can anyone here be bothered answering some newbie qns?
[03:27] <mdke> sure
[03:27] <aeruder> just ask
[03:28] <liquidboy> the synaptic package manager... is that supposed to be just for stuff already on your system?> i got the impression when my friend was showing it to me that it had access to online stuff...?
[03:29] <mdke> liquidboy, you can use it to install new software: it downloads and installs for you
[03:30] <liquidboy> hmm, so when i doa search for xfce,technically it should come up with somehting?
[03:30] <pepsi> how can i safely get out of x?
[03:30] <|QuaD|> bittornado = broken on hoary
[03:30] <pepsi> i dont have logout or shutdown menu items
[03:31] <mike_douglas> pepsi: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[03:31] <mdke> liquidboy, yes that is right. But some programs are contained in repositories which are not enabled by default in ubuntu. Go to the wiki (address above) and search for the synaptic howto
[03:31] <mdke> *laughs*
[03:32] <mdke> not exactly the safest way
[03:32] <liquidboy> ok
[03:32] <whatah> hey, it seems that my ubuntu install CDs don't work very well, they mess up on unpacking packages
[03:32] <whatah> they burned fine, but during installation it's a no go
[03:32] <whatah> anyone have a similar problem, or do you think it's the media i am using?
[03:32] <liquidboy> another one... what direcotry are the apps installed into by default? i've been trying to find the firefox plugins direcory but cant (and the find/search does nothing at all, which is also kind of strange)
[03:33] <mdke> whatah, some people have reported problems which disappear when the cd image is burned at a slower speed
[03:33] <speel> ive had problems with the cds they sent me
[03:33] <whatah> mdke: so, that was a real problem? thanks
[03:34] <imka> any1 playing ut2004? i have no sound
[03:34] <mdke> liquidboy, most things like that can be stored both at a system level, and at an individual user level. So for the firefox plugin you can look in /home/matt/.mozilla/firefox etc (substituting your user name for "matt")
[03:35] <liquidboy> oh
[03:35] <jlund> I have a question about the Universe components. When I activate them through Synaptic, refresh, and mark updates it finds 42 packages to modify. Without Universe repositories enabled it says my system is fully up to date. Why is this? I'm running Hoary.
[03:35] <liquidboy> i think i need some *really* basic starter documentation. the ubuntu starter's guide is a little over my head
[03:36] <mdke> liquidboy, try the faqs
[03:36] <aeruder> liquidboy: sounds like you need just some general linux instruction?
[03:36] <liquidboy> yeah
[03:36] <liquidboy> im used to windows/beos, so you can imagine ... :)
[03:36] <mdke> jlund, seems that the packages you need to update are all in the universe repository
[03:36] <aeruder> liquidboy: well, first rule is that every app will have user settings in your home directory in a hidden file/directory (or at least -most- apps)
[03:37] <liquidboy> so /home/*hidden directory* ?
[03:37] <aeruder>  /home/username/*hidden directory*
[03:37] <mdke> /home/liquidboy/
[03:38] <aeruder> do a ls -a to see all files/directories
[03:38] <mdke> hidden directories begin with a "."
[03:38] <aeruder> hidden files in linux are just things that start with a .
[03:38] <Zotnix> /home/martin/.secretstash
[03:38] <imka> does any1 have an idea why i don't have sound in ut2004?
[03:38] <billytwowilly> Is there something more powerful than running halt as root?
[03:38] <imka> it uses openal and i have it installed
[03:38] <billytwowilly> I did that and the box isn't going down.. This has never happened before.
[03:38] <aeruder> imka: are there any messages when it starts?
[03:39] <aeruder> billytwowilly: what is it stuck on?
[03:39] <aeruder> generally you can get scripts that hang when shutting down
[03:39] <aeruder> if you want to -force- a reboot
[03:39] <billytwowilly> just has "System is going down for a halt now!" Then nothing.
[03:39] <imka> brb
[03:39] <aeruder> oh... hrmm
[03:39] <aeruder> billytwowilly: any bad messages in dmesg?
[03:39] <aeruder> billytwowilly: also, sometimes, the shutdown messages show up on a different console
[03:39] <billytwowilly> oh
[03:40] <billytwowilly> it's nfs
[03:40] <aeruder> so if you hit alt-f? it'll show up somewhere else
[03:40] <billytwowilly> nfs not responding.
[03:40] <aeruder> ah
[03:40] <billytwowilly> so how do I force it to shutdown?
[03:40] <billytwowilly> halt -whatgoeshere?
[03:40] <aeruder> if you want to do a total immediate shutdown?
[03:40] <billytwowilly> I want it to shut down...
[03:40] <billytwowilly> Not wait for nfs server
[03:41] <billytwowilly> Just turn itself off.
[03:41] <liquidboy> how come when i search for a file i know is there, it says it isnt?
[03:41] <mdke> billytwowilly, can you kill the nfs service?
[03:41] <Zotnix> /etc/init.d/reboot
[03:41] <aeruder> well, kill the nfs stuff
[03:41] <Zotnix> I think that just reboots without doing anything
[03:41] <Zotnix> At least the one time I tried it.
[03:41] <aeruder> Zotnix: that will leave all his filesytems dirty...
[03:41] <aeruder> but yes, that will do it
[03:41] <aeruder> if you want to shutdown instead of reboot immediately, you do a
[03:42] <aeruder> poweroff -h -i -f
[03:42] <aeruder> poweroff -h -d -i -f  is better
[03:42] <aeruder> actually
[03:43] <billytwowilly> nothing is happening..
[03:43] <billytwowilly> fark it.
[03:43] <jlund> I have a question about the Universe components. When I activate them through Synaptic, refresh, and mark updates it finds 42 packages to modify. Without Universe repositories enabled it says my system is fully up to date. Why is this? I'm running Hoary.
[03:43] <billytwowilly> I'll just pull the plug.
[03:43] <billytwowilly> ;)
[03:43] <mdke> jlund, did you not believe my answer?
[03:43] <billytwowilly> jlund, you installed some packages from universe when you were running warty?
[03:44] <jlund> Oh mdke I didn't see it
[03:44] <jlund> Billy - no
[03:44] <mdke> jlund, it just means that you need to update some packages
[03:45] <jlund> The packages are not in Universe though
[03:45] <mdke> all of which are in the universe repo
[03:45] <mdke> they are to be newly installed or updated?
[03:45] <jlund> Mount for example says it needs to be updated when I have universe turned on but is not marked for an upgrade when universe is turned of
[03:45] <jlund> These are all packages that are already installed
[03:46] <mdke> oh thats interesting
[03:46] <mdke> mount!!
[03:46] <Zotnix> never pull the plug
[03:46] <Zotnix> >.<
[03:47] <imka> how can i set gnome to use dsp1 instead of dsp for sound? everytime i start an app, it tells me that /dev/dsp no such device. and i have no sound in ut2004
[03:47] <imka> ?
[03:47] <Zotnix> Doesn't that cause the head thing to crash into the disk causing damage?
[03:48] <jlund> mdke - yes it shows the latest as 2.12k without Universe and then 2.12l with Universe
[03:48] <imka> can i link dev/dsp to dev/dsp1?
[03:49] <imka> how can i set esd?
[03:50] <jlund> libswfdec0 is at 0.2.2-5 but when I go to Universe it says the latest is 0.2.2-7
[03:50] <jlund> Any reason for this?
[03:53] <jlund> Can someone running Hoary please tell me what the latest available version of "mount" is and why I see 2.12k without Universe enabled and 2.12l with Universe enabled?
[03:57] <Hikaru79> If you have the source of a program and compile it (./configre, make, make install), you can delete the source folder with all the stuff you downloaded, right?
[03:57] <bob2> if you want
[03:57] <bob2> but do you have a plan for how to uninstall the software later?
[03:58] <jlund> Take a look at Checkinstall
[03:58] <jlund> http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/
[03:59] <bob2> checkinstall is in universe
[03:59] <occy> hmmm
[04:00] <occy> I've used it on my desktop now for eons, but had issues last time I tried.
[04:00] <mdke> i was thinking of taking it off my laptop
[04:00] <imka> does any1 know how i make esd to use /dev/dsp1 instead of dsp? i have no /etc/esd.conf
[04:00] <bob2> occy: please file bugs!
[04:00] <occy> bob2: heh Everytime I file a bug, noone seems to care about it.
[04:01] <bob2> occy: e.g.?
[04:01] <Hikaru79> My bugs get answered immediatly =D Ubuntu loves me
[04:01] <Hikaru79> And I love it ^ ^ <3
[04:01] <occy> it took like 10months of bitching for metacity to get put back to the way it was working
[04:01] <bob2> ubuntu hasn't existed for ten months
[04:01] <occy> heh, I know.
[04:02] <mdke> he means a metacity bug i guess
[04:02] <occy> Not talking specifically about ubuntu bob2 :P
[04:02] <Hikaru79> bob2, love at first sight :)
[04:02] <occy> :)
[04:02] <occy> bob2: and hey :)
[04:02] <bob2> hola
[04:02] <occy> hmmm
[04:03] <mdke> what sort of issues were they occy?
[04:03] <occy> mdke: can't remember, but I think it was an X issue.  couldn't get X to work.  and for me, that's a killer.
[04:03] <mdke> *grins*
[04:03] <occy> went back to FC1 on the lappie.
[04:03] <mdke> X is useful on a laptop
[04:03] <occy> the odd thing was, I had someone in here who had the same exact laptop, but no problem.
[04:04] <occy> I was like.... huh?  So went back to FC1
[04:04] <occy> I still hate that hotplug bug on my desktop....
[04:04] <bob2> hotplug bug?
[04:05] <bob2> which bug number?
[04:05] <occy> bob2: heh, don't know what bug number, but I remember someone saying they had it too on here.  When it loads hotplug, it hangs on me.... 1/2 the time.   it's like voodoo to try and get the box back up.  So I just try and never reboot it.  But it has hardware issues, and locks up from time to time.  (not ubuntu's fault)
[04:06] <jlund> Which would you guys recommend for playing Videos? Xine-ui or Mplayer?
[04:06] <mdke> i use totem
[04:06] <jlund> I am coming from Gentoo where I used mplayer exclusively but I'm open to change
[04:06] <|QuaD|> jlund: totem-xine
[04:06] <jlund> ooh, heard good things about that too
[04:06] <occy> bob2: oh... check out me newly revised site if you are bored:   occy.net
[04:06] <bob2> totem-xine is not a very good choice
[04:06] <jlund> What kind of problems with codecs am I going to have?
[04:06] <lexhider> mplayer's pretty good except for dvd menus
[04:06] <bob2> gxine or mplayer are less hassle
[04:06] <|QuaD|> bob2: why?
[04:06] <bob2> jlund: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:07] <bob2> |QuaD|: it forces out ubuntu-desktop, then people whine when they upgrade to hoary and things stop working
[04:07] <mdke> *laughs*
[04:07] <mdke> bob2, you and your pet hates
[04:07] <|QuaD|> bob2: lol
[04:08] <bob2> mdke: hey, it saves other people hassle, too
[04:09] <mdke> bob2, :)
[04:09] <|QuaD|> bob2: you work for canonical right? how are they making money?
[04:09] <mdke> making money?
[04:10] <mdke> they are making money?
[04:10] <|QuaD|> yeah... its a company, goal is to make money
[04:10] <mdke> >_>
[04:10] <|QuaD|> i don't knwo
[04:10] <mdke> <_<
[04:10] <|QuaD|> thats my question
[04:10] <thully> Hi - I have tried both Hoary and Warty on this laptop, and I've noticed Hoary's fonts are much better.  What did they do?  Can I get those fonts on Warty?
[04:11] <hazza96> Fonts are always getting better
[04:11] <lexhider> I dont' know, but I doubt they have yet
[04:11] <netsplit> Can broadcast be always: [(~ netmask) | ip]  ?
[04:11] <thully> Is it the font, or the default rendering system - since Warty's fonts look like slightly-better-than-average-Linux fonts, while Hoary's fonts look like Mac OS X fonts
[04:12] <lexhider> thully, may be due to xorg?
[04:12] <thully> at least on my laptops - desktops use different font rendering systems
[04:12] <mdke> yep i think so too
[04:12] <bob2> it's not due to xorg
[04:12] <bob2> and laptops and desktops both use freetype for font rendering
[04:12] <bob2> |QuaD|: a variety of services
[04:12] <|QuaD|> bob2: care to expand on that?
[04:14] <jlund> Is it safe to enable the Universe repositories, install some packages, and then turn them off again?
[04:15] <occy> any diff gods here?  I've got two directories...  dir1  dir2   both have mostly the same thing.  (they were identical at one time)  they are on different computers.  I want to find out what has changed in dir1  and in dir2  and what I need to copy out of them into a new dir3  so I have all things synced and in order.
[04:15] <jlund> Or would this be stupid :)
[04:15] <bob2> |QuaD|: support and such, and some other interesting things in the pipeline...
[04:15] <bob2> jlund: well, yes, but note that the universe packages are unsupported
[04:15] <|QuaD|> bob2: ohh ok
[04:15] <bob2> occy: unison can create that 3rd dir for you
[04:15] <jlund> bob2: I know but I am having a weird problem
[04:16] <occy> bob2: k, /me looks
[04:16] <jlund> bob2: With Universe enabled I am seeing upgrades to packages that are not in Universe. So far I haven't installed anything from it but it still has upgrades when Universe repositories are enabled. When they are not enabled no upgrades are marked.
[04:16] <jlund> Strange eh?
[04:17] <bob2> jlund: for example?
[04:17] <jlund> mount
[04:17] <jlund> mount shows latest as 2.12k without universe but then 2.12l with universe
[04:17] <bob2> erm, very odd
[04:17] <jlund> All of my Python 2.3 packages as well
[04:18] <bob2> in hoary or warty?
[04:18] <jlund> This is hoary
[04:18] <bob2> I only see one version of mount in hoary
[04:18] <jlund> which?
[04:19] <bob2>  *** 2.12k-2ubuntu1 0
[04:19] <bob2>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[04:19] <jlund> hm, so maybe later versions are in Universe?
[04:19] <jlund> Because k is what I saw as well without Universe enabled
[04:19] <bob2> no
[04:19] <bob2> mount is not in universe
[04:19] <jlund> Well now I've got version l installed
[04:19] <jlund> So what does that mean?
[04:20] <bob2> er, after an update:
[04:20] <bob2>      2.12l-1ubuntu1 0
[04:20] <bob2>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[04:20] <jlund> ah, lovely
[04:21] <bob2> maybe you hadn't run 'apt-get update' lately?
[04:21] <jlund> I'm using synaptic
[04:21] <bob2> but after you added universe, you did, and got the new list?
[04:21] <jlund> And clicking reload
[04:21] <bob2> did you click reload and check *before* enabling universe?
[04:21] <Lathiat_> Hi guys -- anyonce else seen on hoary having gnome-panel/etc not load (just get my two panels blank, no nautilus background and cant do anything] ? (get the same off a warty->hoary upgrade and yesterdays hoary install cd) -- just wondering if its a known problem or i've got something weird
[04:21] <jlund> If I go back and forth turning Universe on and off it alternates between k and l
[04:22] <lexhider> Lathiat_: hoary gnome loaded up alright here.
[04:22] <Lathiat_> lexhider: updated today or?
[04:22] <bob2> jlund: that's very very strange
[04:22] <lexhider> yep
[04:23] <Lathiat_> lexhider: hrm, updated after yesterday?
[04:23] <lexhider> Lathiat_: try moving .gnome2 to .gnome2~ and logging in to see if you're config is stuffed.
[04:24] <LLM> linux n00b here again
[04:24] <Lathiat_> lexhider: had a blank homedir, and tried another user as well
[04:24] <LLM> i need help (again)
[04:24] <LLM> ive installed ubuntu
[04:24] <LLM> and now ive got the login screen up, and it wont let me log in
[04:24] <LLM> im positive that i have the username and PW correct
[04:24] <bob2> you know it's case-sensitive, right?
[04:25] <LLM> is there an administrator login or something?
[04:25] <LLM> ya i know
[04:25] <jlund> bob2: gtkhtml - What do you show as the latest
[04:25] <jlund> ?
[04:25] <bob2> LLM: no, there is not
[04:25] <LLM> crap
[04:26] <LLM> so theres nothing i can do?
[04:26] <bob2> jlund:  1.0.4-6.2
[04:26] <bob2> LLM: it's really unlikely that it's anything other than you mistyping it, but you can boot into a shell and reset it if you want
[04:26] <jlund> bob2: sorry gtkhtml3.2
[04:26] <LLM> how do i do that?
[04:26] <bob2> LLM: at the grub prompt, hit 'e', and add "init=/bin/bash" the end of the line, then boot
[04:26] <bob2> LLM: then run 'passwd your_user_name'
[04:27] <occy> bob2: read man pages for unison, and this faq:  http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/faq.html   and I still haven't found any working examples of how to do what I want to do:    dir1 dir2  > take same files and diff files and make new dir3
[04:27] <bob2> occy: ok.
[04:27] <LLM> ill try it
[04:27] <bob2> occy: it will make dir1 and dir2 into dir3
[04:27] <jlund> occy: what if you just did this. ls -al > dir1.txt then ls -al > dir2.txt
[04:27] <jlund> occy: then just run diff dir1.txt dir2.txt
[04:27] <jlund> That will show you what is different
[04:28] <bob2> jlund: that's not what occy is trying to do
[04:28] <jlund> You would of course do the ls commands in the different directories
[04:28] <occy> jlund: this should do things much easier than that.    go check out unison, it looks really powerful.
[04:28] <bob2> he/she wants a 3-way merge
[04:28] <jlund> oh, sorry
[04:28] <occy> he
[04:28] <occy> :)
[04:28] <Lathiat_> 3-way merge? scary :)
[04:28] <occy> Lathiat_: heh
[04:29] <Lathiat_> two way merges are hard enough :)
[04:29] <jlund> bob2: what is the latest gtkhtml3.2 - I show 3.2.3-0ubuntu1 as installed and with Universe turned on I see the latest as 3.2.3ubuntu1-1ubuntu1
[04:29] <XLx> I've been trying to figure out why doesn't my PC power down on the shutdown... I've googled to no avail. I had other distros properly shutdown my machine (also power off)
[04:29] <XLx> any pointers ?
[04:29] <bob2> jlund: 3.2.3ubuntu1-1ubuntu1
[04:29] <bob2> XLx: how old is it?
[04:30] <XLx> about 5 yrs.
[04:30] <XLx> 600MHz
[04:30] <occy> bob2: found this:  http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/download/stable/latest/unison-manual.html#tutorial    let me read
[04:30] <LLM> i dont know what to do, when it boots it tells me to hit esc to open some menu
[04:30] <jlund> Is it possible that Synaptic is caching the old stuff when I turn Universe off?
[04:30] <LLM> pressing "e" doesnt do anything
[04:30] <Lathiat_> LLM: yep do that, (press esc) then press e
[04:30] <jlund> bob2: Do you have Universe enabled?
[04:30] <bob2> jlund: yes
[04:30] <XLx> I had other distros power off the PC before...
[04:30] <bob2> XLx: add 'apm' on it's own line to /etc/modules
[04:31] <jlund> Hm, well that makes it harder to troubleshoot
[04:31] <XLx> okie
[04:31] <XLx> I can do that
[04:31] <XLx> anything else ?
[04:31] <bob2> LLM: yes, after you hit esc, you hit e
[04:31] <Lathiat_> hhey ctd
[04:32] <occy> bob2: so just do:   unison dir1  dir2
[04:33] <occy> and it'll create the 3rd dir for me automatically?
[04:33] <LLM> after i press esc, and then e, it then lists some things, like root, kernel etc
[04:33] <bob2> occy: I don't know, I've never used it
[04:33] <LLM> what now?
[04:33] <occy> bob2: haha
[04:33] <occy> bob2: ok
[04:33] <bob2> occy: no, 13:27:25           bob2 | occy: it will make dir1 and dir2 into dir3
[04:33] <LLM> it wont let me type inti=/bin/bash
[04:33] <bob2> LLM: edit the kernel command line
[04:33] <jlund> bob2: I know this is frustrating but I'm trying to figure out of this is a bug. Can you turn off Universe and see what the latest libgtkhtml3.2 is?
[04:33] <bob2> jlund: I really really really really really doubt it's related to universe
[04:34] <bob2> jlund: you can check the package files on archive.ubuntu.com manually
[04:34] <jlund> Hm, well I'm clueless
[04:34] <LLM> ok, i just add it to the end?
[04:34] <bob2> LLM: of the command line? yes.
[04:34] <LLM> alright, now that ive done that.....
[04:35] <LLM> what next?
[04:35] <bob2> boot it
[04:35] <LLM> ah boot
[04:35] <LLM> i see
[04:35] <bob2> jlund: with universe disabled, '3.2.3ubuntu1-1ubuntu1'
[04:36] <LLM> so when i boot now, what will it do, or ask me to do?
[04:36] <davide> hello, i cannot get the wireless connection to work, can anyone help me?
[04:37] <jlund> Thanks Bob
[04:37] <bob2> jlund: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[04:37] <jlund> At this point I think I should just start over
[04:37] <jlund> Is there a way to get a Hoary CD?
[04:37] <LLM> um, it just took me back to the login screen
[04:37] <LLM> how do i reset the password?
[04:38] <bob2> jlund: how would reinstalling help?
[04:38] <bob2> jlund: there are testing cds, but they may or may not work
[04:38] <bob2> LLM: you didn't enter the line correctly, try again
[04:38] <jlund> bob2: This just seems really messed up. I must have screwed something up along the way
[04:39] <jlund> bob2: Is it possible that I have a cache somewhere that I can flush?
[04:39] <jlund> I'm really new to apt-get
[04:39] <bob2> jlund: you do have a cache, which 'update' updates.
[04:39] <bob2> jlund: are you doing something silly like pinning?
[04:39] <XLx> bob2: You are da man !
[04:39] <LLM> ok, this is what my command line says:
[04:39] <jlund> bob2: I don't know what pinning is so I'm guessing no
[04:40] <XLx> apm in /etc/modules works perfectly ! thanks bob2  for your wisdom...
[04:40] <LLM> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[04:40] <LLM> where do i add the init=/bin/bash
[04:40] <jlund> bob2: What is pinning?
[04:40] <bob2> LLM: yes, please read the bit I said about adding "init=/bin/bash" to the end of it
[04:41] <bob2> XLx: you're welcome
[04:41] <LLM> i did that the first time and it didnt work
[04:41] <bob2> jlund: a silly game you can play with apt
[04:41] <bob2> LLM: well, it's what you have to do
[04:41] <stuNNed> bob2, lol
[04:41] <bob2> jlund: paste your sources.list to #flood
[04:41] <Seq> does anybody know why gdesklets-data is being removed on a dist-upgrade in hoary but gdesklets itself is fine? (I'm assuming this is due to python 2.4)
[04:42] <jlund> bob2: pasted
[04:42] <LLM> am i supposed to add a space between splash and init=/bin/bash?
[04:43] <bob2> LLM: yes, of course
[04:43] <LLM> cuz thats what i did the first time :S
[04:44] <bob2> Seq: apt-cache show gdesklets-data, look at the Depends line
[04:45] <Seq> bob2: did you used to hang out in #debian a while back?
[04:45] <bob2> still do...
[04:45] <occy> bob2:  that rocks hard!!!
[04:45] <occy> bob2: it worked just peachy
[04:45] <Seq> i think you helped me with bind or something like that a year ago.
[04:45] <occy> bob2: thank you very much.
[04:46] <davide> HELP-- my pcmcia card goes on blinking, if i do iwconfig it gives me my configuration, but  if i try to change my setting it won't let me do it, and if i try to restart the card with card info it won't let me do it.
[04:46] <tux_> occy
[04:46] <occy> tux_:
[04:46] <tux_> nice to see you here
[04:46] <bob2> occy: you're welcome
[04:46] <tux_> hehe
[04:46] <occy> tux_: :)
[04:46] <tux_> nomasteryoda actually
[04:46] <tux_> yeeha
[04:46] <LLM> ok, it says my username is unknown
[04:46] <occy> tux_: you get your site up?
[04:46] <tux_> yea
[04:46] <occy> heh
[04:46] <tux_> they must have fixed it
[04:46] <occy> tux_: the sky is falling!
[04:46] <tux_> glad
[04:46] <occy> :)
[04:46] <occy> tux_: triple your money back if you don't like the hosting
[04:46] <tux_> suprnova fell
[04:46] <tux_> lol
[04:47] <occy> ;)
[04:47] <occy> tux_: 21 miles today!
[04:47] <tux_> whoa
[04:47] <tux_> cool
[04:47] <occy> I am one tired motha
[04:47] <tux_> my brother does that stuff
[04:47] <LLM> bob2: ive got a command line up, and ive entered the passwd command with my username, and it says my username is unknown
[04:48] <jlund> bob2: any ideas. sources.list is in flood
[04:48] <moquist> anybody know which package will give me libmp3lame.so?  toolame certainly doesn't...
[04:49] <bob2> moquist: it's not in ubuntu
[04:49] <bob2> moquist: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:49] <bob2> jlund: paste the output of 'apt-cache policy mount' with and without universe enabled (don't forget to run 'apt-get update' after each twiddle)
[04:49] <bob2> LLM: it sounds an awful lot like you didn't create a user
[04:50] <moquist> bob2: right.  I figured they were available somewhere, though...
[04:50] <bob2> moquist: read that page
[04:50] <LLM> im certain that i did, but anyway, if i didnt, how can i correct this?
[04:50] <moquist> *sigh*  I would encode in Ogg/Vorbis, but this is for a non-tech crowd, and it's my responsibility to make it blindinly easy for them.  Oh well.
[04:51] <moquist> bob2: yeah, I read it.  Thanks for the link.  Software Patents suck.
[04:51] <bob2> moquist: oh yes :/
[04:51] <bob2> LLM: 'adduser whatever' to create the user 'whatever'
[04:52] <LLM> k
[04:52] <LLM> wait, ive just typed in passwd root
[04:52] <Lathiat_> hmm.. theres already an OS project called rosetta, go the naming
[04:52] <LLM> and it told me to enter new UNIX password
[04:52] <LLM> but it wont let me type anything :S
[04:52] <jlund> bob2: pasted
[04:53] <bob2> LLM: it doesn't print anything as you type
[04:53] <bob2> LLM: but that won't create a new user, nor let you login through gdm
[04:53] <LLM> oh wait, i think i did it
[04:53] <bob2> jlund: well, apt is sane, maybe synaptic has a bug
[04:53] <jlund> How can I just check the output of dist-upgrade
[04:54] <jlund> I will try that and see what happens
[04:54] <bob2> apt-get -s dist-upgrade
[04:54] <bob2> but you don't need to, look at what you just pasted
[04:54] <bob2> in both cases, apt sees only one version, which is the l one
[04:55] <jlund> oh duh. That's because I did upgrade that one
[04:55] <roo9> i'm getting an error trying to run a python program "ImportError: No module named GDK"
[04:55] <jlund> I will try the same with gtkhtml3.2
[04:55] <roo9> anyone know where the Python::GDK module is in ubuntu?
[04:55] <bob2> roo9: the software's instructions should tell you to install python-gtk or so
[04:56] <roo9> bob2: gdk not gtk
[04:56] <bob2> yes, I know
[04:56] <roo9> python-gtk-1.2 is already installed...
[04:57] <roo9> in fact, GDK.py exists in /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-1.2
[04:57] <jlund> bob2: Pasted, and there are differences
[04:57] <LLM> it works
[04:57] <LLM> thanks alot bob2, and anyone else that helped me
[04:58] <bob2> jlund: er, yes, because gtkhtml3.2 is in universe
[04:59] <jlund> HAHAHAHAHA
[04:59] <bob2> jlund: thus, if you disable universe, you don't see the newer version (the /var/lib/dpjkg/status entry is fro mthe one you have installed at the moment)
[04:59] <jlund> I wonder what installed that?
[04:59] <jlund> I swear I didn't install anything for Universe
[04:59] <bob2> nothing in main depends on stuff in universe
[05:00] <jlund> Is there a way to see what depends on gtkhtml3.2?
[05:00] <jlund> God I am such an idiot
[05:00] <bob2> apt-cache showpkg gtkhtml3.2
[05:00] <pepsi> whats up with the Debian menu?
[05:01] <bob2> it's not in ubuntu
[05:01] <pepsi> uhm
[05:01] <pepsi> well i see it
[05:01] <pepsi> it shows more stuff
[05:01] <calc> bob2: ubuntu doesn't want the debian menu aiui
[05:01] <pepsi> aiui?
[05:01] <calc> as i understand it
[05:01] <bob2> as I understand it
[05:01] <bob2> calc: I know
[05:02] <pepsi> but it shows more stuff yo
[05:02] <calc> oh i meant to direct that to pepsi i guess :)
[05:02] <LLM> oh btw, whats with this x that stays on top of everything?
[05:02] <calc> pepsi: huh?
[05:02] <jlund> bob2: Is there a way to revert to only main components without reinstalling?
[05:02] <pepsi> the debian menu has more apps in it
[05:02] <bob2> jlund: you mean "is there a way to uninstall all the packaes from universe?"?
[05:02] <jlund> bob2: I realize what happened. I did a smart upgrade with Universe turned on and I think it installed the CVS Gnome
[05:02] <jlund> Yes
[05:03] <pepsi> it has stuff i installed but never bothered to make a menu item for
[05:03] <bob2> jlund: no, unless synaptic is buggy
[05:03] <calc> pepsi: installed via debs?
[05:03] <pepsi> calc: with synaptic
[05:03] <calc> pepsi: debian packages typically have menu entries for the debian menu
[05:03] <calc> but not for the gnome menu
[05:04] <calc> so of course the debian menu will show many more things than the gnome menu
[05:04] <jcompton> I'm trying to get a very basic forum server set up, but I'm getting "unable to detect MySQL support in PHP" from the forum configuration program. Any suggestions on how to solve this problem, preferably from within the package manager?
[05:04] <pepsi> okay, but if i get more stuff showing up in the debian menu, i want that
[05:04] <jlund> bob2: all of the output from apt-cache showpkg is gnome stuff
[05:04] <bob2> jlund: not core gnome stuff
[05:04] <ajmitch_> hopefully the menu system will be common at some point between gnome, kde, debian systems
[05:04] <bob2> jcompton: install php4-mysql
[05:04] <bob2> ajmitch_: they're standardising on fd.o .desktop files
[05:04] <pepsi> then i suppose id just rather be able to see the debian menu, like i am now able to
[05:04] <calc> ajmitch_: gnome and kde are already merged for how the menu works
[05:04] <jlund> bob2: K well time for an adventure :)
[05:05] <calc> the actual application.menu file isn't merged yet though
[05:05] <pepsi> you dont have a debian menu showing?
[05:05] <pepsi> in hoary
[05:05] <calc> i don't
[05:05] <calc> if you installed menu-xdg you might
[05:05] <ajmitch_> calc: that's what I thought
[05:05] <calc> kde adopted it for kde 3.2, and gnome did it in 2.9
[05:05] <ajmitch_> but I wasn't sure when debian was moving to that
[05:05] <ajmitch_> ah, 2.9
[05:06] <jcompton> bob2: Not coming up as a valid package. All I've got is libapache2-mod-php4 (installed), php4-cgi (installed) and php4-dev (not installed.)
[05:06] <bob2> jcompton: it's in universe
[05:07] <jlund> bob2: Is there a way to see packages that are installed on the system that are not listed in the current active repositories?
[05:07] <jlund> bob2: If so I think I can get this cleaned out
[05:07] <bob2> jlund: yes, 'obsolete packages' list in aptitude
[05:07] <bob2> maybe synaptic has something similar
[05:08] <calc> dselect has obsolete list as well
[05:09] <jlund> There is an "Installed (local or obsolete)" listing
[05:09] <jlund> That sound right?
[05:09] <bob2> yeah
[05:09] <jlund> Cool, I'll just wipe those
[05:11] <jlund> K, now for the reboot
[05:11] <jlund> If this works I'll come back to lavish you with praise
[05:11] <bob2> reboot?
[05:11] <bob2> why?
[05:11] <jlund> I noticed it making changes to grub
[05:12] <jlund> Want to make sure it didn't screw anything up
[05:13] <roo9> anyone here have experience with GPSDrive ?
[05:13] <EricNeon> good noon
[05:14] <roo9> it's acting very strange, i know gpsd has the proper position, but gpsdrive is giving me bogus info
[05:17] <occy> bob2: yeah, just tried to install warty 1.0 ubuntu and I get:   bad d-i packages file   or something on tty4 over and over again.
[05:17] <occy> used this same disc on another machine with no problem, so it's not the media
[05:18] <jlund> bob2: HOORAY!
[05:19] <jlund> bob2: Problem solved!
[05:19] <tux_> occy, i have seen similar errors with the ubuntu discs... most of the time ok
[05:19] <tux_> but some systems it just dies on install
[05:19] <Marble> what's the best media player for linux?
[05:19] <occy> Marble: beep-media-player is cool
[05:19] <occy> Marble: apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:19] <tux_> really... got to install that then
[05:20] <occy> tux_: it's xmms + GTK2
[05:20] <occy> heh
[05:20] <moriddin2>  hi.. im currently downloading ubuntu and am very new to linux OS, could anyone give me some installing/configuring tips?
[05:20] <Marble> just a second, I need to boot to unbut
[05:20] <Marble> *ubuntu
[05:20] <Marble> lol
[05:20] <Marble> i'm on windows
[05:20] <occy> :/
[05:20] <pepsi> windows is bad for you
[05:20] <jlund> moriddin - The best advice I could give is to not give up. Learning Linux is worth it!
[05:20] <occy> I'm tired of being on Fedora
[05:20] <moriddin2> affirmative, jlund
[05:20] <jlund> moriddin2 - Feel free to ask anything in this channel as you have questions or encounter issues.
[05:21] <tux_> occy, are they the shipped Ubuntu?
[05:21] <moriddin2> cool thanks.
[05:22] <Marble> ok, what was the command again?
[05:22] <Marble> I'm on ubuntu now
[05:23] <occy> tux_: what was that?
[05:23] <tux_> oh, which discs... shipped or downloaded
[05:23] <occy> tux_: downloaded... but I've installed on other machines with these discs
[05:23] <tux_> i got a pack of 20 from Ubuntu
[05:23] <occy> nothing wrong with the media
[05:24] <Marble> occy:  what was the apt-get line again?
[05:24] <tux_> yea
[05:24] <occy> tux_: heh, you have a pack of 40 copies of every distro there is.
[05:24] <tux_> apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:24] <occy> Marble: apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:24] <tux_> occy, LOL
[05:24] <occy> Marble: and you can apt-cache search beep in case that's wrong
[05:24] <occy> :)
[05:24] <jlund> occy: What do I need to have to enable mp3 support in Beep?
[05:24] <jlund> occy: I just tried to play one and it crashed
[05:24] <occy> jlund: odd, it just worked for me ootb
[05:25] <Marble> no results occy
[05:25] <occy> Marble: apt-cache search = your_friend;
[05:25] <Marble> apt-cache search beep
[05:25] <Marble> returns nothing
[05:25] <tux_> Marble, did you do apt-get update
[05:26] <Marble> not yet
[05:26] <Marble> what exactly is apt-get?
[05:26] <tux_> the ultimate package getting tool...
[05:26] <Marble> updated, still nothing
[05:26] <occy> root@spies:~ # apt-cache search beep
[05:26] <occy> beep - Advanced pc-speaker beeper
[05:26] <occy> beep-media-player - Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp
[05:26] <jlund> occy: What output plugin areyou using?
[05:26] <occy> works for me[tm
[05:26] <occy> ] 
[05:26] <Marble> root@Greg:/home/greg # apt-cache search beep
[05:26] <Marble> root@Greg:/home/greg #
[05:26] <jlund> Marble - it's in Universe so you will need to have that enabled
[05:26] <tux_> Marble, you might need to edit your "/etc/apt/source.list"
[05:27] <occy> Marble: you may need to apt-get dist-upgrade if you haven't done that in a while.
[05:27] <tux_> add universe
[05:27] <occy> ahhh
[05:27] <occy> what tux_ said
[05:27] <occy> :)
[05:27] <Marble> i've never done that occy
[05:27] <tux_> tks
[05:27] <Marble> and tux, that file != exist
[05:27] <tux_> marble, easy
[05:27] <tux_> Marble, you might need to edit your "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:27] <jlund> !!!
[05:27] <tux_> oops
[05:27] <tux_> sorry
[05:27] <jlund> I just needed to tell it right soundcard
[05:28] <occy> Marble: sec, I'll msg you
[05:28] <tux_> laptop keyboard
[05:28] <jlund> It's working!
[05:28] <Marble> tux, what do I edit in there?
[05:28] <jlund> And it looks much much better than XMMS
[05:28] <jlund> Thanks for the recommendation occy
[05:29] <occy> jlund: np... someone here recommend it and I like it.
[05:29] <occy> jlund: occy.net
[05:29] <occy> jlund: go check it out ;)
[05:29] <tux_> Marble, look at examples here... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/view?searchterm=universe
[05:30] <tux_> the wiki has very good examples and info
[05:30] <occy> tux_: I pasted him my sources.list
[05:30] <jlund> Nice design ;)
[05:30] <tux_> ok
[05:30] <tux_> cool
[05:30] <jlund> occy: Any idea how to get sound in Gaim to work?
[05:31] <tux_> jlund, i added Guifications to my system and have sound in gaim now
[05:31] <occy> jlund: no clue. :(
[05:31] <occy> bob2 seems to have gone to sleep
[05:31] <bob2> nope
[05:31] <occy> we shouldn't allow that to happen.
[05:31] <occy> heh
[05:31] <tux_> occy, did you try turning off acpi
[05:31] <jlund> tux_: What is Guifications?
[05:32] <tux_> let me post link
[05:32] <occy> bob2: see my install error, ,know any way around it?   bad packages d-i
[05:32] <occy> or something like that.
[05:32] <tux_> http://guifications.sourceforge.net/Guifications/index.php
[05:32] <bob2> don't know, I'd guess bad cd, but you say you checked the md5sum
[05:33] <occy> bob2: yeah...
[05:33] <occy> same cd, as I said, works on another machine.
[05:33] <tux_> ACPI was an issue a friend had installing Ubuntu
[05:33] <tux_> when he disabled it worked
[05:33] <bob2> occy: have you checked the md5sum?
[05:34] <jlund> Cool blog occy
[05:34] <occy> jlund: danke
[05:34] <jlund> What software are you using to do it?
[05:34] <occy> bob2: hmmm
[05:34] <occy> jlund: drupal
[05:34] <occy> jlund: drupal.org
[05:34] <tux_> drupal rocks
[05:34] <occy> it rocks
[05:34] <occy> I use it on all my sites
[05:34] <tux_> occy setup our mgalug.org
[05:34] <occy> tux_: heh
[05:34] <occy> tux_: and then you basturdized it.
[05:34] <tux_> heck yea
[05:35] <tux_> lol
[05:35] <tux_> yea
[05:35] <tux_> well...
[05:35] <occy> well, it's just pushbutton really... not themed hardly any at all.  I didn't have time to spend on it.
[05:35] <occy> pushbutton = drupal theme
[05:35] <tux_> yup
[05:37] <jlund> K selecing ESD as preferred sound output device gets me the gaim noises
[05:37] <occy> *sigh*
[05:37] <occy> I am tiiiired
[05:37] <jlund> now I just need to video player and I'll have a fully functional desktop here
[05:38] <tux_> mplayer
[05:39] <occy> night kiddies
[05:40] <jcompton> bob: That was the ticket, thanks. Now, do you have a suggestion for the most elegant way to restart Apache under Ubuntu so I can avoid the humiliation of reboots? :)
[05:40] <xiam> jcompton: //etc/init.d
[05:40] <bob2> sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 restrat
[05:40] <bob2> spelt correctly will work even better
[05:40] <tux_> lol
[05:41] <jcompton> Thank you.
[05:44] <jlund> bob2 and occy. Thanks
[05:44] <jlund> I appreciate all of the help
[05:44] <jlund> I'm loving this distro and I'll be talking it up at work tomorrow
[05:45] <Marble> how do I unmount all disks except the one my linux partition is on?
[05:45] <jlund> Hopefully we'll get a convert or two :)
[05:46] <Marble> anyone?
[05:46] <jlund> What kind of disks marble?
[05:46] <whatah> is there a way to do a netinstall of ubuntu?
[05:46] <Marble> uh like partitions
[05:47] <Marble> NTFS ones
[05:47] <Marble> i tried using unmount, but it says command not found?
[05:47] <Riddell> Marble: umount
[05:47] <xiam> Marble umount -a?
[05:47] <xiam> umount
[05:47] <Marble> root@Greg:/media/files # unmount -a
[05:47] <Marble> bash: unmount: command not found
[05:47] <bob2> dont do that
[05:47] <bob2> it's umount
[05:47] <bob2> read carefully
[05:47] <bob2> what are you trying to do?
[05:47] <jlund> Marble it's umount and you don't want to do what xiam posted
[05:47] <jlund> That would unmount all disks
[05:47] <jlund> :)
[05:48] <Marble> root@Greg:/media/files # unmount /dev/hdd3
[05:48] <Marble> bash: unmount: command not found
[05:48] <bob2> Marble: again, read carefully
[05:48] <Marble> I just want to unmount a damn disk :(
[05:48] <jlund> marbe: umount /dev/hdd3
[05:48] <bob2> Marble: there's no 'n' after the 'u'
[05:48] <Riddell> what's the debian meta-package that has the development tools (gcc, autoconf and aa that)
[05:48] <bob2> Riddell: there isn't one
[05:48] <xiam> I'm sorry I misunderstand what you want to do Marble.
[05:48] <bob2> Riddell: build-essential installs some stuff, but not autconf
[05:48] <bob2> (since you don't need it to build stuff)
[05:49] <Marble> ahh
[05:49] <Riddell> bob2: that sounds like the one
[05:49] <Riddell> thanks
[05:49] <Marble> umount: /media/files: device is busy
[05:49] <Marble> umount: /media/files: device is busy
[05:49] <Marble> grr
[05:50] <tux_> Marble, if any apps are using that device, then it will not be umounted
[05:50] <bob2> yes, you need to close whatever is accessing it
[05:50] <bob2> 'lsof | grep /media/files' is a good way to find out
[05:50] <Marble> thanks
[05:53] <Marble> what's the chmod for all users?
[05:53] <Marble> 775?
[05:53] <xiam> 777
[05:54] <xiam> read write for all
[05:54] <Marble> chmod 777 /media/files
[05:54] <Marble> that work?
[05:55] <jlund> Marble what are you trying to do?
[05:55] <Marble> make it so other applications can view the files in this directory
[05:55] <Marble> other than me as root
[05:55] <moriddin> guys, would using a program such as daemon tools subsitute burning the cd?
[05:56] <moriddin> it makes a virtual cd driver that is actually on your hard drive
[05:57] <roo9> does anyone know how to map a tcp port to a /dev/ entry
[05:58] <xiam> Where path is best for install stuff? /usr/local or just /usr like RH?
[05:58] <bob2> moriddin: for installing, you mean?
[05:58] <bob2> xiam: for random stuff from source? /usr/local.
[05:58] <bob2> roo9: how do you mean?
[05:59] <bob2> (network connects are unrelated to /dev)
[05:59] <xiam> thanks bob2
[05:59] <roo9> bob2: I have application A, which expects data on a /dev/ entry. I have application B which sends that exact data over a tcp/ip socket. how can i get them to talk to each other?
[05:59] <bob2> roo9: netcat can pipe data to and from tcp sockets
[06:00] <bob2> what exactly are these apps?
[06:00] <moriddin> yes, bob
[06:00] <moriddin> for installing
[06:00] <roo9> bob2: GPS programs...
[06:00] <bob2> moriddin: how could that work?  the cd won't be mounted once you boot into ubuntu
[06:00] <jlund> Marble to change everything in a directory you use the -R switch for recursive
[06:00] <dee> hey
[06:00] <jlund> So chmod -R 777 /directory
[06:01] <dee> please somone tell me... to compile from source.... u do what 3 things?
[06:01] <jlund> ./configure
[06:01] <dee> make config
[06:01] <jlund> make
[06:01] <jlund> make install
[06:01] <dee> ok cool
[06:01] <moriddin> ok bob.. so i must burn it onto a cd then?
[06:01] <bob2> dee: erm, that only works for some software, and they will invariably have a INSTALL file which explains it
[06:01] <bob2> moriddin: or netboot
[06:01] <moriddin> whats that?
[06:02] <bob2> booting over the network...
[06:02] <moriddin> using floppies?
[06:02] <Marble> how do I add a program to my applications menu?
[06:02] <roo9> bob2: but can netcat map that to a /dev/entry ?
[06:03] <bob2> moriddin: don't think warty supports that
[06:03] <bob2> roo9: a "/dev entry" is just a file
[06:03] <moriddin> bob: how do i netboot then?
[06:03] <roo9> hrmmmm
[06:03] <bob2> it depends on what program A wants to do
[06:03] <bob2> moriddin: find out if your hardware supports it, first
[06:04] <moriddin> ok
[06:04] <dee> jlund,  please PM me
[06:05] <moriddin> bob: how do i find out hardware requirements?
[06:05] <dee> bob2, please PM ME.
[06:05] <dee> sry for caps
[06:06] <Marble> what switches do i use on a tarball?
[06:06] <dee> i did ./configure
[06:06] <dee> Now what?
[06:06] <dee> just... make?
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> then make install
[06:07] <dee> tehnw bhat?
[06:07] <xiam> Marble, command --help provides you important information, try also man command or info command
[06:08] <Marble> thanks
[06:08] <Marble> -xvzf
[06:08] <xiam> for extraction you can use tar -xf file.tar
[06:08] <Marble> it's .tar.gz
[06:08] <xiam> Oh, you're right
[06:09] <moriddin> how do i find out hardware requirements?, and how do i netboot?
[06:09] <moriddin> anyone?
[06:09] <dee> Well
[06:09] <dee> I THINK you have to enable it in BOIS
[06:10] <moriddin> thanks
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> moriddin, look at the wiki for more ...
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=netboot
[06:12] <dee> hey yall
[06:12] <dee> What is a program that i shud install, just to install stuff
[06:12] <dee> where i must compile from source
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> dee, which program do you need?
[06:13] <dee> lol
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> did you look in apt?
[06:13] <dee> I dont need any
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:13] <dee> i dont know any
[06:13] <dee> Lol
[06:13] <dee> Yea, but i wanna compile from source
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:13] <dee> Know anyhting like gkrellm?
[06:13] <dee> But diff
[06:13] <dee> that will make my stuff look awsome
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> gkrellm is cool
[06:14] <dee> yea
[06:14] <bob2> dee: no
[06:14] <dee> But i need somthing diffrent
[06:14] <dee> darn.
[06:14] <bob2> dee: why do you want to compile gkrellm from source?
[06:15] <dee> i duno, i am trying to learn how to compile thins from shource
[06:15] <dee> when i tryed to compile aterm i had mass errors
[06:15] <dee> do i did easy way
[06:15] <bob2> did you follow the instructions that came with it?
[06:15] <bob2> you probably won't need to compile anything if you're using ubuntu...
[06:15] <jlund> Guys I have an AMD Athlon 1 gigahertz machine that is years old
[06:15] <jlund> Currently using the 386 kernel
[06:15] <jlund> Is this the best fit?
[06:15] <xiam> do you know how to avoid showing window contents while moving?
[06:16] <xiam> i'm using gnome
[06:16] <dee> bob2,  lol i know, but i want to work my way up to slackware... so i wanna learn how to compile things.
[06:16] <bob2> jlund: you can use the k7 one, as the description says
[06:16] <bob2> hah, "up to slackware"
[06:16] <dee> yea
[06:17] <dee> Whats do u mean by "hah"?
[06:17] <dee> not just slackware.
[06:17] <dee> But otehr distros
[06:17] <bob2> just that slackware isn't a really good place to end up if you're not already a slackware user
[06:17] <dee> well, where is?
[06:17] <bob2> if you want to learn hwo to compile stuff so you can use slackware, then just install it and ask for help in #slackware
[06:17] <bob2> debian or ubuntu are excellent advanced distributions
[06:18] <jlund> Gentoo is much better than Slackware if you want to mess with source
[06:18] <jlund> I used Gentoo for over a year before switching to Ubuntu this weekend
[06:18] <dee> Yea, thats what I ahve hjeard
[06:18] <bob2> gentoo seems to be for people who want to compile stuff without knowing what they're doing
[06:18] <dee> well jlund may i Pm you?
[06:18] <jlund> I cannot emphasize how nice it is to not have to wait for EVERYTHING to compile
[06:18] <bob2> from never having use it, at least
[06:18] <jlund> hah bob2
[06:19] <jlund> True in a lot of cases
[06:19] <bob2> 'emeger blah' is not teaching you anything about software
[06:19] <bob2> but this is pretty OT here, anyway
[06:19] <jlund> sure dee
[06:19] <jlund> Suffice it to say I'm happy with where I'm at now
[06:19] <jlund> And bob2 alone is more support than I ever saw with Gentoo
[06:22] <Marble> how do I change the firefox command?
[06:22] <Marble> I can't get my quicklaunch icon thing to go to 1.0 instead of .0.9.3
[06:23] <bob2> you have both installed?
[06:23] <Marble> yup
[06:24] <bob2> right click on it, choose properties, then change the 'command' entry to point at the full path to 1.0
[06:24] <xiam> I just installed 1.0 too :), I will uninstall firefox 0.9 and ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox
[06:24] <Marble> I have
[06:25] <Marble> it says child process denied or such
[06:25] <Despair> daniels: 6.8.1-1ubuntu8 packages fail to load nvidia's glx.so, in case user wailing hasn't commenced. ;)
[06:25] <Marble> Details: Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/firefox1.0" (Permission denied)
[06:26] <bob2> Marble: erm ,you did check that /usr/bin/firefox1.0 is an executable file, right?
[06:26] <Marble> wtf
[06:26] <Marble> /usr/bin/firefox1.0/firefox
[06:26] <Marble> runs 0.9.3
[06:27] <Marble> ahh
[06:27] <Marble> nvm
[06:27] <Marble> got it working
[06:28] <Marble> wtf, gmail won't work in linux firefox
[06:28] <bob2> yes it does
[06:29] <mike_dougla1> works fine
[06:29] <Marble> damn you adblock
[06:29] <errr> it would work on *nix before doze I would think anyway
[06:29] <Marble> brb
[06:30] <Marble> all better
[06:31] <dee> i wish My parents would ahve started me off on linux b4 windows.
[06:33] <Tomcat_> lol
[06:33] <Tomcat_> "It's always the parents' fault" :d
[06:33] <dee> lol
[06:33] <dee> naim-0.11.7.2.tar.bz2.tar
[06:33] <dee> how would i unzip THAT?
[06:33] <xiam> bz2.tar?
[06:33] <dee> w8
[06:33] <dee> yea
[06:33] <errr> my 4 year old is a linux user. I didnt want her to feel that way the same as me and you both dee
[06:33] <dee> thats the name of it
[06:34] <dee> errr, does she know alot?
[06:34] <xiam> :S! try tar -xf *.tar and then tar -xjf *.tar.bz2
[06:34] <Tomcat_> tar -xjvf naim...bz2.tar, then untar it? :>
[06:35] <errr>  http://ofset.sourceforge.net/gcompris/  http://childsplay.sourceforge.net/  <----- she knows how to play the hell out of these 2 games.
[06:36] <errr> she can type about 10 words
[06:36] <dee> lol c
[06:36] <dee> ool
[06:36] <errr> spelled correctly and all
[06:36] <errr> its neat
[06:36] <bob2> if it's really a tar containging a tarball, 'tar -xf naim-0.11.7.2.tar.bz2.tar', then untar the inner bit normally
[06:36] <bob2> also beat whoever gave you the file
[06:36] <xiam> jaja
[06:36] <errr> fwiw the - isnt needed in your tar commands
[06:37] <bob2> yes, but it's a good habit
[06:37] <errr> ok
[06:37] <bob2> making it optional is a bug, imho :)
[06:38] <errr> hmmm.... freedom to choose a bug :p
[06:38] <xiam> xD
[06:41] <dee> bob2 what was the point to put eh f int here?
[06:41] <dee> -xf  < whast the f do
[06:41] <errr> file
[06:41] <dee> I know x tells it to unzipp
[06:41] <bob2> no
[06:41] <bob2> x tells it to extract
[06:41] <bob2> f says "the next argument is the filename"
[06:41] <bob2> tar doesn't compress by itself
[06:42] <dee> I am there
[06:43] <dee> dee@knockout:~ $ ls
[06:43] <dee> Desktop  naim-0.11.7.2.tar.bz2.tar  nmap-2.00  stuff
[06:43] <dee> dee@knockout:~ $ tar -xf n
[06:43] <dee> naim-0.11.7.2.tar.bz2.tar  nmap-2.00
[06:43] <dee> dee@knockout:~ $ tar -xf naim-0.11.7.2.tar.bz2.tar
[06:43] <dee> tar: This does not look like a tar archive
[06:43] <dee> tar: Skipping to next header
[06:43] <dee> tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers
[06:43] <dee> tar: Read 8553 bytes from naim-0.11.7.2.tar.bz2.tar
[06:43] <dee> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[06:43] <dee> dee@knockout:~ $
[06:43] <errr> tar xjvf
[06:43] <dee> damn i kinda just flooded/spammed
[06:43] <dee> sry
[06:43] <dee> but why diddnt this work?
[06:43] <dee> ok
[06:43] <bob2> because it's not a tar file
[06:44] <bob2> it's probably a very badly named bz2
[06:44] <bob2> run 'file naim-0.11.7.2.tar.bz2.tar' to see what it is
[06:45] <Dko> Could someone tell me how to install SDL?  I dled the rpm file and extracted the files inside.  But I don't know what to do from here.
[06:45] <bob2> er, why are you using rpms?
[06:45] <bob2> SDL is in ubuntu
[06:46] <ryanmcgregor> u'll want to install it either through apt or with a deb file, not an rpm. rpms are for rpm based distributions.
[06:46] <Dko> Well I thought I didn't have SDL because of an error a game gave me. Give me a sec
[06:46] <bob2> you probably didn't
[06:46] <bob2> but that just means you need to install
[06:46] <bob2> it
[06:46] <Dko> How would I then?
[06:48] <bob2> what do you need?
[06:48] <Dko> How to install SDL please?
[06:48] <bob2> which part of SDL?
[06:48] <Dko> Run times
[06:48] <ryanmcgregor> sudo apt-get install programname
[06:48] <bob2> hah
[06:49] <ryanmcgregor> it will automatically download it
[06:49] <bob2> er, I think the issue here is finding the package name
[06:49] <ryanmcgregor> well, what was the filename of the rpm?
[06:49] <bob2> that won't help
[06:50] <Dko> Yea I think I need to know the package name
[06:50] <ryanmcgregor> try searching for sdl in synaptic, you might stumble upon what you need
[06:50] <bob2> libsdl1.2debian-all looks like a start
[06:50] <bob2> Dko: what games is this?
[06:51] <Dko> Eternal Lands
[06:56] <andrew> if there is a security hole in a package in universe, am i stuck with this package?
[06:57] <crimsun> yes.
[06:57] <Dko> If libsdl1.2debian and libsdl1.2debian-oss are both got green boxes next to them snynaptic it means there installed right?
[06:57] <crimsun> granted, if it's from universe, chances are it's from sid's pool, and sid gets package fixes rather quickly.
[06:57] <crimsun> (though not as quickly as woody or warty)
[06:57] <andrew> so in that case compiling from source would be the only option?
[06:58] <andrew> crimsun: ok so you can use unstable package?
[06:58] <andrew> (s
[06:58] <andrew> )
[06:59] <bob2> not generally
[06:59] <ryanmcgregor> crimsun: i think what he is asking is if it is fixed in sid, will the ubuntu team add the fixed package to universe
[06:59] <bob2> not for warty
[06:59] <crimsun> for hoary, sometimes the fixed package is available in universe sooner than in sid
[07:00] <andrew> ok.  so if i want to stay secure with unstable packages, i should subscribe to debian-security-announce to hear when there are vulnerabilities in unstable as well?
[07:01] <andrew> er, the first "unstable" should be "universe"
[07:01] <crimsun> normally security announcements are prioritized for 'stable' packages
[07:01] <Dko> Alright. SDL seams to be installed. But I get this error when I try to install Eternal Lands. error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_net-1.2.so.0:
[07:01] <andrew> yea
[07:01] <crimsun> if they happen to affect packages in 'unstable', too, then it's a note in the DSA
[07:01] <bob2> d-s-a doesn't have advisories for packages in sid
[07:02] <ryanmcgregor> is the ubuntu team going to add more packages to the main branch then....cause it is rather limited at the moment
[07:02] <bob2> what crimsun said
[07:02] <ryanmcgregor> ?
[07:02] <bob2> ryanmcgregor: yes
[07:02] <bob2> ryanmcgregor: what isn't there that you want
[07:03] <bob2> Dko: instakk libsdl-net1.2
[07:03] <ryanmcgregor> bob2: hold on, checking synaptic to see what i have installed from universe
[07:03] <andrew> i mostly use totem, mozilla-firefox, emacs, open-office, gaim, xchat, and python for apps.
[07:03] <andrew> thinking about switching to ubuntu
[07:04] <ryanmcgregor> if it doesnt have the ubuntu symbol in synaptic, it is not in the main branch, right?
[07:04] <bob2> no idea, I don't use synaptic
[07:07] <andrew> ubuntu main is actually a good selection of apps
[07:07] <andrew> doesn't have all the little exotic things, but still it has a lot
[07:07] <calc> missing useful stuff like clamav ;)
[07:08] <calc> also gstreamer totem is about useless
[07:08] <bob2> due to patent issues
[07:08] <ryanmcgregor> ok, here goes: abiword (i like it for small files as i am on a slow computer), digikam, gpdf, guarddog (i hate firestarter), kooka (xsane is confusing), a bunch of libraries needed for nvu to install, a bunch of libraries needed for mplayer to compile, xawtv, xmms-skins to name a few
[07:08] <calc> patent issues that even an overzealous group like debian ignore
[07:09] <Dko> Gehh. ><  apt-get install doesn't work. It doens't seam to be a normal pakage.
[07:09] <bob2> debian doesn't have a suable company
[07:09] <calc> and we all know how overzealous debian-legal can be
[07:09] <bob2> Dko: "doesn't work"?
[07:09] <mike_dougla1> andrew: I built gtk2 emacs-cvs packages if you want them. A lot better on the eyes (without having to run it in gnome-terminal)
[07:09] <bob2> calc: no, debian-legal ignores patents almost entirely
[07:09] <calc> and fhg is suing lots of mp3 decoder companies
[07:09] <bob2> ryanmcgregor: none of those seem support=critical
[07:09] <bob2> er, s/=/-/
[07:09] <calc> bob2: is that why most patented stuff isn't in debian like lame, ffmpeg, etc?
[07:10] <bob2> calc: mpeg-4 and mp3 are enforced patents
[07:10] <ryanmcgregor> bob2: what about guarddog....or is updating iptables good enough?
[07:10] <bob2> calc: probably every single bit of software in main violates some patent
[07:10] <Dko> It basically says it can't find the package libsdl-net1.2
[07:10] <andrew> mike_dougla1: no thanks, mike_dougla1.  i'm not running ubuntu yet, just considering it.  appreciate it.
[07:10] <bob2> Dko: it's in universe
[07:10] <bob2> ryanmcgregor: hm, what about it?
[07:11] <calc> bob2: yes
[07:11] <calc> and so what is ubuntu doing releasing software ;)
[07:11] <wasabi_> I just noticed warty-updates.
[07:11] <wasabi_> SHould I be using archive.u.c or security.u.c for it?
[07:11] <calc> also does ubuntu disable the font hinting stuff in freetype or else apple might sue them ;)
[07:11] <Dko> whats universe?
[07:11] <calc> its enabled in regular builds last time i checked
[07:11] <ryanmcgregor> bob2: well it is a firewall, a security hole in a firewall seems serious to me
[07:12] <crimsun> wasabi_: either
[07:12] <andrew> the hyperlink is also patented
[07:12] <andrew> so we're all doomed...
[07:12] <bob2> ryanmcgregor: it's not a firewall, it's a tool for creating firewall rules
[07:12] <miggumike> how do i mount my mac volume in linux?
[07:12] <andrew> what is ubuntu running for service by default? (i hope none)
[07:13] <andrew> i mean tcp/ip services
[07:13] <bob2> andrew: "service"?  nothing listens on external ips.
[07:14] <Dko> Im sorry for making this so difficult.  But im a newb to linux. >< What is universe? A directory
[07:14] <andrew> bob2: good.  right now in my debian unstable system, portmap likes to run at every boot.  and i can't uninstall it because gnome depends on it.  i hope there aren't silly things like that in ubuntu
[07:14] <xiam> apache2 does, hmm.. I don't remember if it was installed by default...
[07:15] <bob2> Dko: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:15] <bob2> andrew: you don't need to uninstall it, just configure it to only listen on loopback
[07:15] <miggumike> does anyone know how do i mount my mac volume in linux?
[07:16] <andrew> ok thanks a lot for answering my questions
[07:17] <andrew> have a good night everyone
[07:17] <bob2> miggumike: depends what sort of "mnac volume" it is
[07:17] <miggumike> bob2: how can i find out what it is?
[07:18] <bob2> miggumike: you didn't create it?
[07:18] <bob2> is it HFS or UFS?
[07:18] <miggumike> hfs?
[07:18] <miggumike> i don't remember anything about that
[07:18] <miggumike> ufs maybe
[07:19] <bob2> sudo mount -t ufs /dev/wherever /mnt/
[07:20] <Dko> Ok im in Synaptic.  The only Universe I see is Development (universe) and Base System (universe) Neigther have the package im looking for. ><
[07:23] <nevyn> what are you looking for?
[07:24] <miggumike> i mounted /sys
[07:24] <Dko> libsdl-net1.2
[07:24] <miggumike> is osx in there?
[07:25] <Dko> Im just about to say screw it.
[07:26] <Shufla> hello :D
[07:27] <miggumike> everything is locked
[07:28] <miggumike> how can i get su access to my files on my osx partition
[07:28] <miggumike> ?
[07:28] <Dko> Yep im not gona get this damn game going -_-
[07:29] <Shufla> miggumike: which partition contains osx files?
[07:29] <miggumike> hda3
[07:30] <Shufla> miggumike: show here mount | grep hda3
[07:32] <siimo> can someone help me with setting permissions for cd burning ?
[07:33] <miggumike>  show here mount | grep hda3
[07:33] <miggumike> /dev/hda3 on /mnt type hfsplus (rw)
[07:34] <Shufla> miggumike: ls -ld /mnt
[07:35] <miggumike> drwxrwxr-t  1 root 80 36 2004-12-18 05:57 /mnt
[07:36] <siimo> hmmm ?
[07:37] <techn9ne> what are the min. requirements to run ubuntu?
[07:37] <techn9ne> i tried setting it up on a p200 w/ 16mb. ram and the installer just hung up
[07:37] <miggumike> 16mb ram?
[07:37] <mike_dougla1> that amount of ram is way too low
[07:37] <techn9ne> yea 16
[07:37] <fabbione> hmmm
[07:38] <techn9ne> well it runs windows 98
[07:38] <miggumike> what is on that computer now?
[07:38] <techn9ne> its capable of running an OS w/ a gui
[07:38] <miggumike> 16?
[07:38] <fabbione> iirc it should be possible to install with 16Mb of ram
[07:38] <crimsun> you can do it with 16, but you must create swap as soon as parted udeb is loaded.
[07:38] <aj> debian needs 32ish i think, ubuntu'd be similar probably; 64-128 would be safer
[07:38] <crimsun> it is possible, I tested several weeks ago
[07:38] <Shufla> techn9ne: you've got to setup swap BEFORE starting installation process. you've got to start installation in expert mode
[07:38] <techn9ne> im just really scared of hooking a windows98 computer into internet
[07:38] <miggumike> shufla: do you know what i can do to get into the locked folders?
[07:39] <miggumike> it's locking out my music and movies
[07:39] <ryanmcgregor> I have a question. I am an idiot, and accidently deleted some files from a program I compiled...if I just recompile the program and issue make install, will it just overwrite any files that happen to be left over?
[07:39] <aj> isn't using swap at that point horrifically slow?
[07:39] <miggumike> the two things i want
[07:39] <Shufla> miggumike: ok, i know. but i tell you how to access information, not solution :d
[07:40] <miggumike> =)
[07:40] <Shufla> miggumike: well, type man mount and find section with hfs. there's option, which allows you to change permissions of mounted drive. it will be `umask' or similiar. you may set umask to 000 and then there'll be read/write access to ALL users
[07:40] <techn9ne> ryanmcgregor : yes im pretty sure it will
[07:40] <Shufla> miggumike: you've got to type that umask in option field in /etc/fstab, then umount & mount /mnt
[07:40] <ryanmcgregor> techn9ne: thx....ill run and do that, just wanted to make sure before i made the problem worse :P
[07:40] <techn9ne> has any one ever got flashmx to work w/ wine?
[07:40] <techn9ne> ive been trying everything and it wont work
[07:40] <miggumike> ok i'll give it a shot
[07:41] <Shufla> techn9ne: <joke>on this 16mb ram machine?</joke> :D
[07:41] <techn9ne> lol no... this one im on has 512
[07:42] <techn9ne> i was running the 16mb. ram machine earlier... was PAINFUL slow
[07:42] <techn9ne> hd sounded like it was having a heart attack
[07:43] <Shufla> techn9ne: well. i'm working right now on pii 400 @ 64MB ram and slow disk. it's painful... i suppose, that 16mb will be worse, unusable... (with X...)
[07:43] <techn9ne> gnome or xfe?
[07:43] <techn9ne> i figured if it ran win98 i could run xfe on it
[07:44] <miggumike> only thing i can find is hpfs
[07:44] <Shufla> techn9ne: gnome right now. but i've got to develop SQL-mini-app here, horrible :D
[07:45] <techn9ne> gnome seems much faster than kde
[07:47] <techn9ne> i have a suse machine too and seems kinda clunky
[07:48] <Shufla> huh
[07:48] <Shufla> the problem is with so many diffrent libraries for any application: firefox - own, openoffice - own, gnome - own, k3b - own :D
[07:48] <Shufla> even half gig of ram is nor enough :/
[07:49] <techn9ne> kde has good intergration w/ kde apps
[07:49] <techn9ne> firefox didnt run well on it
[07:49] <Shufla> indeed
[07:50] <techn9ne> suse 9.2 is the nicest looking linux desktop i have ever seen though
[07:50] <Shufla> techn9ne: when it will be avaiable for free? like 9.1 with tricky, but possibile installation?
[07:51] <techn9ne> i dunno i used torrents to get it a few days after it came out
[07:51] <techn9ne> i heard rumors of jan-feb
[07:51] <Shufla> :D
[07:51] <Shufla> late :/
[07:51] <techn9ne> its not pirating when its gpl
[07:52] <Shufla> nope!
[07:52] <Shufla> it's pirating :D
[07:52] <techn9ne> oh well whatever. im not from us.
[07:52] <Shufla> accordin to license you are not allowed to download/copy isos :D
[07:52] <Shufla> me too :D
[07:52] <mike_dougla1> actually it is. SUSE 9.2 has some proprietary software on it
[07:52] <techn9ne> p2p apps and mp3 downloading is legal in my country.
[07:53] <techn9ne> big loophole. americans were pretty angry when it got challenged in court.
[07:53] <techn9ne> actually not americans... the RIAA
[07:54] <bob2> anyway, this is off-topic
[07:54] <Shufla> all ppl are supported, entry-level-supporter are just chatting :D
[07:54] <Shufla> and comapring gnome & kde uis :D
[07:55] <techn9ne> k3b should be ported to gnome
[07:55] <techn9ne> thats what i really miss from suse
[07:55] <nevyn> techn9ne: kdevelop.
[07:55] <nevyn> techn9ne: kde applications play nice under gnome.
[07:56] <nevyn> techn9ne: now if only gnome applications didn't still trash all my fonts and stuff when I start one in kde.
[07:56] <Shufla> but they need set of not needed libs, that aren't need for gnome (and areN'T supported by ubuntu:()
[07:57] <nevyn> indeed they're not.
[07:57] <nevyn> but they play nice.. unlike vica versa
[07:57] <techn9ne> how difficult is to make an app for qt and gtk simutaneously ?
[07:57] <techn9ne> are libraries that much diff?
[07:57] <nevyn> techn9ne: hard.
[07:58] <nevyn> twice the gui code.
[07:58] <Shufla> btw - are there plans to deploy ubuntu-like-philosophy server oriented system?
[07:58] <techn9ne> i dont know what the point would be... if you wnat a server use debian
[07:59] <Shufla> never ending testing with twenty not properlly prepared MTAs? :d
[07:59] <bob2> Shufla: ubuntu is server-oriented!
[08:00] <techn9ne> ubuntu is based on debian-unstable
[08:00] <Shufla> bob2: hm... i've prepared document for almost dream server oriented system. but it's in polish and my english skills are to low to translate it :(
[08:01] <cef> hrm.. anyone using hoary and nvidia's driver? preferably the one hoary ships
[08:02] <Shufla> damn... dpkg is running... damn... even mouse cursor is inresponsive :/
[08:02] <pitti> cef: I just tried, failed
[08:02] <pitti> cef: worked fine before the conference
[08:02] <cef> pitti: same
[08:02] <cef> well, I get issues with glx stuff
[08:02] <bob2> Shufla: sounds like you don't have dma enabled on your drive
[08:02] <Shufla> bob2: low end machine
[08:03] <bob2> ouchy
[08:03] <cef> standard 2d works, 3d has issues.. *sigh*
[08:03] <Shufla> bob2: hdparm is tweaked to maximum
[08:08] <siimo> hi i can burn as root but cannot as user can someone please help?
[08:09] <siimo> i keep getting these errors Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Permission denied)
[08:09] <siimo> even though my cd writer is hdd
[08:09] <Shufla> siimo: what is your cd-burner app?
[08:10] <siimo> Shufla, gnomebaker but it uses cdrecord
[08:11] <siimo> the program fails to detect the cd burner when opened as user
[08:11] <siimo> is this something to do with the cdrecord permissions
[08:12] <miggumike> what is the command?
[08:12] <siimo> Shufla, any ideas?
[08:12] <miggumike> sudo mount -hfsplus /etc/dva3 /mnt/
[08:12] <cef> daniels: you broke xorg again? sheesh!
[08:12] <bob2> miggumike: didn't I tell you the exact command an hour ago?
[08:13] <fabbione> cef: what is broken?
[08:13] <miggumike> bob2: it's not working
[08:13] <miggumike> do i have it right?
[08:13] <miggumike> i didn't write it down
[08:14] <fabbione> i need to get coffee and a shower
[08:14] <fabbione> ops
[08:14] <bob2> 16:19:37           bob2 | sudo mount -t ufs /dev/wherever /mnt/
[08:14] <miggumike> ahhh dev
[08:14] <miggumike> thanks
[08:14] <bob2> you may need a -o option, but you'll have to read the manpage to check
[08:15] <cef> fabbione: .so loading
[08:15] <fabbione> cef: what xorg version?
[08:16] <fabbione> because he uploaded -7 and then -8 with a similar fix
[08:16] <cef> -8 is broken
[08:16] <cef> bug report 4818
[08:16] <cef> so no glx for nvidia people *sigh*
[08:17] <fabbione> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:17] <fabbione> that looks like a nvidia bug....
[08:17] <Shufla> ok, got to code. have a nice day
[08:17] <fabbione> but i will take a look to it later
[08:17] <fabbione> ah amd64
[08:18] <cef> fabbione: I still blame daniels *grin*
[08:18] <fabbione> CRAP
[08:18] <fabbione> i blame gtk :)
[08:18] <cef> but I've got a similar problem with plain x86
[08:19] <fabbione> i will test on x86
[08:19] <fabbione> i don't have amd64
[08:19] <fabbione> bbl
[08:19] <calc> poor fabbione ;)
[08:19] <cef> fabbione: I'm using a k7 here, and no luck with glx at all
[08:19] <cef> fabbione: if you need me to test stuff, just ask
[08:20] <fabbione> cef: i will
[08:20] <calc> i have amd64 here but no nvidia
[08:20] <fabbione> but i don't really care too much about GLX being broken on an unstable branch
[08:20] <cef> heh
[08:20] <fabbione> specially with NVIDIA crap on the way
[08:22] <cef> ??
[08:22] <emschwar> I assume there's a known bug with gnome right now; is there a workaround?
[08:26] <siimo> hi can someone help i can only burn in warty (with cdrecord/GnomeBaker) as root
[08:27] <bob2> gcombust works fine
[08:28] <siimo> bob2, its not a specific program its all programs that use cdrecord only work as root for me
[08:28] <bob2> are you using a kernel you built yourself?
[08:29] <siimo> bob2, no im using default warty
[08:29] <siimo> fresh install an hour or 2 ago
[08:30] <siimo> do i have to change some permissions manually? im not experienced with this before
[08:30] <nessmuk> i'm wondering about running Beatrix off usb. Some are advising me that swap can heavy use for usb, may be short-term reliable, Any comments
[08:31] <bob2> nessmuk: #beatrix
[08:32] <nessmuk> bob...yeah....sorry wrong tab :)
[08:32] <emschwar> so, gnome seems hung whilst logging in.  I can't file a bug, unfortunately, because links doesn't have javascript.  Is this known, and is there a workaround?
[08:32] <siimo> is there such thing as cdburning group in ubuntu
[08:33] <bob2> siimo: no
[08:35] <siimo> hmmm
[08:35] <siimo> does the default warty kernel have the cd burning bug
[08:36] <adbak> siimo: i do believe
[08:36] <qs_> <------------ RuffianSoldier
[08:37] <qs_> whats wrong with ntp?
[08:37] <siimo> im downloading linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-k7
[08:37] <bob2> qs_: it's a fine protocol
[08:37] <qs_> bob2 - no - ntp.ubuntulinux.org is screwed up!
[08:37] <siimo> can someone post output of ls -l /usr/bin/cdrecord
[08:37] <qs_> it took 4 mins at syncronize clock part of boot
[08:37] <qs_> then told me it was messed up
[08:38] <bob2> qs_: works for me
[08:38] <bob2> qs_: sounds like you have a local network problem
[08:38] <bob2> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 133 2004-10-29 06:14 /usr/bin/cdrecord
[08:38] <qs_> bob2 - im about to call my ISP - frriggen disconnects and spikes left and right - its making me mad!
[08:38] <siimo> bob2, thats same as me
[08:39] <liquidboy> sorry for being such a noob, but what is a repository?
[08:39] <bob2> a http or ftp site that serves ubuntu packages
[08:40] <adbak> a repository (a.k.a. repo) is pool of packages that ubuntu uses
[08:40] <emschwar> so, no clues about gnome then :-\
[08:41] <bob2> emschwar: does it affect a new user?
[08:42] <emschwar> bob2: good question, let me see.
[08:42] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 - what is ntp anyway?  I just found out about it (you know)
[08:43] <liquidboy> ok, thanks
[08:43] <liquidboy> :)
[08:43] <emschwar> bob2: apparently not.
[08:43] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: network time protocol, a way for your clock to be synchronised to a very accurate clock somewhere else
[08:43] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[08:46] <liquidboy> how do i get synaptic to search the repositories? when i do a search, it only finds stuff already on my hd...
[08:46] <calc> RuffianSoldier: its the thing winxp uses as well if you click on the clock and see "Internet Time"
[08:46] <emschwar> bob2: with a gnome failsafe session, the bottom panel loads, but the top one still hangs.
[08:46] <RuffianSoldier> aaaah
[08:46] <bob2> emschwar: ok
[08:46] <emschwar> but for a new user, there's no problems
[08:47] <calc> unix has had ntp forever, ms just added it with xp
[08:47] <calc> its nice never to worry about what time your system thinks it is ;)
[08:50] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, i'm having a problem with any video that I watch in totem-xine, the playback is laggy then the window is inlarged or in fullscreen.
[08:50] <netsplit> Maybe the CPU is too slow to keep up.
[08:51] <Mojo_Jojo> it's a P4 3ghz with hyperthreading :D
[08:52] <Mojo_Jojo> also this is on a laptop, but it should play them just fine.
[08:53] <techn9ne> firefox is brocken how do i load it up in safe mode?
[08:53] <bob2> it has a 'safe mode'?
[08:53] <emschwar> hrm... looks like the top panel is stopped in a call to futex()
[08:53] <techn9ne> its saying this to me : /usr/bin/firefox: line 271: [: : integer expression expected
[08:54] <bob2> what have you changed since it last worked?
[08:56] <liquidboy> um, ive just read the "enable universe in synaptic package manager" it didnt do anything
[08:56] <liquidboy> " From your desktop select Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic Package Manager you will be asked to enter your password. Goto Settings > Repositories you will see (2) grayed out boxes click both of them, then click the Reload button."
[08:56] <bob2> "didn't do anything"?
[08:57] <liquidboy> there were 3 greyd out boxes. i clicked them all, pressed reload and...
[08:57] <liquidboy> nothing
[08:59] <liquidboy> how do i get synaptic to search online?
[08:59] <siimo> bob2, what kernel u running exactly?
[09:00] <bob2> liquidboy: it searches the package database, presumably
[09:00] <bob2> siimo: whatever's in hoary
[09:00] <siimo> hmmm
[09:00] <siimo> im more and more suspecious the kernel is cauing my burning problem
[09:01] <siimo> as i chmod u+s cdrecord and it still doesnt work
[09:01] <siimo> but it does work when i run it as root
[09:01] <liquidboy> i don't get the purpose of it then... i thought it was an easy way of downloading new software, but it only lists the software i already have...
[09:02] <liquidboy> im probably missing something really obvious
[09:02] <liquidboy> :P
[09:02] <netsplit> liquidboy: bad answer but you could just use apt-get like everyone else.
[09:02] <liquidboy> yeah
[09:03] <nyktovus> how do you add things to a menu?
[09:08] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 - ya - your right - network problem - I am having alot of trouble today - prolly from the fuse blowing so my modem resets
[09:13] <siimo> how do i re-install nvidia after upgrading kernel?
[09:14] <siimo> following the same instructions doesnt work
[09:14] <siimo> and i did install the default kernel from warty security
[09:15] <siimo> anyone
[09:18] <bob2> install te matching linux-restricted-modules package
[09:19] <lhb_> siimo: well, for me it did it automatically as far as i know
[09:19] <lhb_> siimo: nvidia screen comes up like normally before the kernel change
[09:20] <siimo> lhb_, but i have a 2.6.8.1-3 and a 2.6.8.1-4-k7
[09:21] <lhb_> me too
[09:21] <siimo> if i try to remove 2.6.8.1-3-i386 then it wants to install 2.6.8.1-4-i386
[09:21] <siimo> but i already have k7
[09:21] <siimo> i dont need 386
[09:21] <lhb_> true, i just leave it, doesnt bother me
[09:22] <siimo> yeah but ubuntu is thinking the old one is my default kernel so it wont reinstall nvidia
[09:22] <lhb_> mmmm.....
[09:23] <bob2> you don't need to 'reinstall' things
[09:23] <siimo> what is the difference between linux-image-2.6-386  and linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-386
[09:23] <siimo> first package is small
[09:23] <bob2> just install the correct linux-restricted-modules package
[09:23] <bob2> the first one Depends on the latest version of the latter
[09:23] <siimo> how does the k7 kernel come into it
[09:24] <bob2> I don't know why you're trying to install that
[09:24] <siimo> because i run a k7 processor
[09:24] <siimo> ?
[09:26] <siimo> this package is split into too many bits
[09:27] <siimo> ok figured it out finally
[09:27] <bob2> it's not split into any bits
[09:27] <bob2> the linux-restricted-modules stuff is non-free stuff from outside the kernel
[09:27] <siimo> well why do we need it?
[09:28] <bob2> "we" don't
[09:28] <siimo> then why install it
[09:28] <bob2> some people want it because they have hardware that requires non-free drivers
[09:29] <siimo> ok
[09:29] <siimo> i dont need it then i guess
[09:33] <lhb_> kudos for ubuntu!!! quickcam worked without any funnies!!!
[09:42] <Shufla> re :D
[09:46] <khadyoung> Anyone have any good suggestions for an Ubuntu-friendly hardware audio player (pref with OGG support)
[09:48] <khadyoung> I have considered an iPod but they are very expensive and I am pretty sure I would like OGG support
[09:55] <Shufla> khadyoung: (non OSS-spirit) i suggest that you instal mp3 encoder/decoder - mp3 based players are cheaper...
[09:55] <Shufla> s/instal/acquire/
[10:06] <khadyoung> Shufla, the only OGG player I have been able to find so far is actually cheaper than comparable MP3 only players.
[10:10] <Shufla> khadyoung: oh. ok :) sorry for misinformation :D
[10:13] <khadyoung> It looks as though the iRiver H3xx series operates as an external hard drive. I would assume Ubuntu could mount it when plugged in without any problems. Anybody any experience?
[10:17] <steven__> daniels: you there?
[10:17] <anon26> hey all
[10:18] <anon26> anyone know how i can add applications to the menu?
[10:18] <seb128> warty or hoary ?
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> configuration editor?
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> i think thats what its called
[10:19] <daniels> steven__: sup
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> anyway - goodnight
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> hey daniels - goodnight
[10:19] <anon26> anyone know how i can add applications to the menu in hoary?
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> anon26 - i think its called configuration editor
[10:20] <seb128> anon26: reply to my question first
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> it will help you with that
[10:20] <seb128> anon26: oh, hoary
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[10:20] <steven__> daniels: i installed xorg ubuntu7 and now X crashes on couldn't open module (bitmap|pcidata)
[10:20] <seb128> anon26: no tools to do that
[10:20] <anon26> :(
[10:20] <seb128> anon26: if you install menu and menu-xdg you'll get a debian submenu in applications with all the entries
[10:21] <RuffianSoldier> G'night all
[10:21] <seb128> or you can add some .desktop file by hand in ~/.local/share/applications
[10:21] <anon26> nah i just want to add one app to the menu, but i don't want to add aditional menu entries
[10:22] <seb128> anon26: just create a .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications so
[10:22] <seb128> anon26: the menu system has been rewritten, but there is no editor for the new system atm
[10:22] <seb128> base first, tools then
[10:23] <anon26> ok but what should the .desktop file contain?
[10:24] <aeruder> steven__how long ago?
[10:24] <ogra> anon26: just copy one from a existing entry and modify it ....
[10:24] <steven__> aeruder: upgraded yseterday, today it crashes
[10:25] <anon26> ok i'll give that a try brb
[10:25] <steven__> aeruder: i just noticed that there's a ubuntu8 version, downloading it now
[10:25] <aeruder> steven__: yes.. i had heard someone say that that was fixed today
[10:25] <ogra> anon26: best is to take one that is already in the same menu you want your new entry in
[10:25] <steven__> k ta
[10:26] <anon26> ok i went into ~/.local.... but there aren't any .desktop files in there to use as a template
[10:27] <steven__> anon26: the .desktops are in /usr/share/applications iirc
[10:27] <ogra> anon26: just copy one from /usr/share/applications to ~/.local/share/applications
[10:28] <seb128_> anon26:
 anon26: copy one from /usr/share/applications
 anon26: basically a Name, Comment, Categories
 and the Command to run /the icon
[10:28] <seb128_> --- Disconnected ().
[10:32] <daniels> steven__: yes, ubuntu7 is broken; ubuntu8 fixes it
[10:33] <steven__> k
[10:33] <anon26> ok edited the desktop file which is in ~/.local.....
[10:34] <anon26> now how do i get it to appear in the menu?
[10:36] <steven__> daniels: very well, it is solved, will try the multimonitor later today
[10:36] <fabbione> hey daniels
[10:36] <fabbione> daniels: did you get my sms?
[10:36] <ogra> anon26: if the categories are right, it should appear automatically, if not, restart your panel (kill it)
[10:37] <Adrenal> provided it is in xpm.gz format, can i compress any image and use it as the grub background by using the same steps as shown in the wiki art page?
[10:37] <daniels> fabbione: nope, phone got stolen on saturday
[10:38] <anon26> ok
[10:38] <fabbione> AH
[10:38] <nessmuk> steven__ ubuntu is v.4.10 on the home page. What's this about 8?
[10:38] <fabbione> daniels: 4818
[10:38] <ogra> Adrenal: you will have to reduce the colors etc. there is a howto on the debian installer site
[10:38] <fabbione> daniels: and if you can kindly commit -8 to baz
[10:41] <anon26> nope still nothing
[10:41] <anon26> this is the file
[10:41] <anon26> [Desktop Entry] 
[10:41] <anon26> Encoding=UTF-8
[10:41] <anon26> Name=Tux Racer
[10:41] <anon26> GenericName=Tux Racer
[10:41] <anon26> Comment=Slide down slopes eating herring
[10:41] <anon26> Exec=tuxracer
[10:41] <anon26> Icon=tuxracer.xpm
[10:41] <anon26> Terminal=false
[10:42] <anon26> Type=Application
[10:42] <anon26> Categories=Application;Games;
[10:42] <anon26> StartupNotify=true
[10:42] <daniels> fabbione: yeah, I've just triaged 4818, and it's a non-fatal (i.e. only kills 3D, there is a workaround), and I actually wrote a local fix last night, mainly by accident
[10:42] <daniels> fabbione: and -8 is in baz, foo ;)
[10:42] <cef> daniels: workaround? where?
[10:42] <cef> daniels: affects i386 as well btw, not just amd64
[10:42] <daniels> cef: ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.{so,a}
[10:43] <daniels> cef: yeah, I took lib%s.so out of the search path, not realising that nvidia-glx is rather crackful
[10:43] <fabbione> daniels: it wasn't this morning ;)
[10:43] <cef> daniels: aha!
[10:43] <daniels> fabbione: hmmm, I committed it last night ... oh no, wait, I didn't
[10:43] <daniels> fabbione: i typed 'baz commit', but my time at the internet cafe ran out
[10:43] <cef> daniels: yeah I can imagine.. cool
[10:44] <daniels> fabbione: btw, that 'deal with pci domains that don't start at 0' hack adds a lazy 15000 file opens
[10:44] <daniels> they're almost entirely to /proc, so it's not that bad
[10:44] <daniels> but 500 -> 15500 is a big jump
[10:44] <fabbione> hmmm
[10:45] <fabbione> daniels: well.. what is worst?
[10:46] <daniels> fabbione: hm?
[10:47] <cef> daniels: what should be the destination for that link? cos it doesn't work for the users home dir.
[10:48] <fabbione> daniels: what is worst? opening 15500 files or not fixing that bug?
[10:50] <daniels> fabbione: i dare say not fixing that bug :) i'm not arguing with it being fixed
[10:50] <daniels> i think we can do it better, though
[10:50] <daniels> doing an os.readdir()
[10:50] <daniels> i don't think the /proc/pci walking is too cpu-expensive, but i dunno
[10:50] <daniels> cef: huh?
[10:50] <daniels> cef: you need to link libglx.a -> libglx.so within /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions
[10:50] <cef> aha.. ok
[10:51] <anon26> thaks for the help guys, evryting works now
[10:56] <douglas> is the wiki with some problems ?
[10:56] <douglas> when i try to login it doenst repond...
[11:03] <imka> pm me for gmail invites!
[11:04] <fabbione> imka: that is wat offtopic
[11:05] <fabbione> way even
[11:06] <PeG> how can i capture my desktop? But only the application active
[11:06] <alexissoft> hi
[11:08] <pisuke> peg, take a screenshot and crop it with the gimp
[11:08] <PeG> :)
[11:08] <PeG> tx
[11:10] <joh_> How is ubuntu suited for server use?
[11:11] <cef> there is a minimal install available for servers
[11:12] <daniels> Gman: hey dude
[11:12] <Gman> hey daniel
[11:12] <joh_> do you recommend Ubuntu for server, instead of Debian Sarge?
[11:12] <jo> Hello, I was wondering if it's possible to put a banner concerning EU software patents on the Ubuntu webpage. It seems they want to approve software patents in the EU before the end of this year! More information: http://demo.ffii.org/
[11:13] <daniels> joh_: yes
[11:13] <daniels> Gman: how's things?
[11:14] <jo> joh_, I think Ubuntu is and will remain to be more "up-to-date" than Sarge
[11:14] <joh_> yea, but Sarge might be more stable for server use?
[11:14] <cef> joh: unlike sarge (currently), ubuntu has support and security updates
[11:15] <joh_> cef, ahh, I understand. Only woody and Ubuntu has that now
[11:15] <joh_> And Woody is a little... old
[11:16] <Gman> daniels, pretty cruisey dude...winding down for christmas fortunately
[11:16] <Gman> daniels, how's about you?
[11:19] <daniels> Gman: nice :) just chilling in barcelona atm
[11:19] <Gman> daniels, conference went well?
[11:19] <daniels> Gman: yeah, really well thanks
[11:19] <daniels> Gman: just relaxing in the holiday aftermath now
[11:19] <daniels> Gman: chatting to people back home
[11:19] <Gman> you get home for christmas?
[11:20] <daniels> yeah, christmas eve
[11:20] <Gman> sweet
[11:20] <Gman> daniels, jetlagged zombie for christmas day then? :)
[11:21] <ctd> isn't daniels already half a zombie from X hacking?
[11:21] <cef> daniels: what time you getting in?
[11:21] <cef> ctd: actually he's a whole zombie, but we don't usually mention it. *grin*
[11:22] <daniels> cef: 6:20am!  whoo!
[11:23] <cef> daniels: heh.. cab from the airport fun eh?
[11:23] <daniels> Gman: yeah.  get in 6:20 to like fifty degree weather, catch up with my little sister (5) before she leaves at about lunchtime, then go see other people for the day, then jump on the train to take a 200km journey up to mum's, crash, wake up early for christmas with all the family.
[11:23] <daniels> cef: heh, getting picked up, mercifully
[11:24] <cef> fun fun fun
[11:24] <ctd> cef: He was only 1/2 zombified the times I've seen him.
[11:24] <Gman> daniels, nutball
[11:24] <daniels> Gman: well, yeah
[11:24] <ctd> cef: He must return to full zombification only in vic, aye?
[11:25] <cef> ctd: heh
[11:25] <cef> daniels: gimme that stick.. after what you keep doing to xorg, you deserve a beating from most of us! *grin*
[11:26] <cef> hang on.. better not.. he'll probably enjoy it
[11:27] <stvn> daniels: xorg ubuntu8 doesn't solve the laptop+external screen problem
[11:28] <liquidboy> anyone here got time to help me with synaptic?
[11:28] <daniels> stvn: does Option "MonitorLayout" "LVDS,CRT", resolve the problem?
[11:29] <stvn> let's try, device option?
[11:30] <daniels> device section, yah
[11:30] <stvn> moment
[11:32] <siimo> does anyone use eclise here?
[11:33] <siimo> eclipse
[11:33] <stvn> daniels: yes, the laptop screen comes up fine and the external screen gets the same image
[11:33] <siimo> sorry
[11:33] <daniels> stvn: sweet, I'll poke alex, thanks a lot
[11:33] <cef> hrm.. hey does the livecd include build-essential by any chance?
[11:33] <stvn> daniels: you too
[11:38] <daniels> stvn: ok, so does it work without the HorizSync/VertRefresh stuff, and with no other options than MonitorLayout?
[11:38] <siimo> does anyone use eclipse here?
[11:38] <siimo> i just want to know if you see cut off buttons with ubuntu human theme
[11:39] <stvn> daniels: i have horisync/vertrefresh for the laptop screen an da modeline, but all other stuff is dead normal
[11:40] <daniels> stvn: if you send in your xorg.conf, I'll see if I can't get it working out of the box
[11:40] <stvn> it is what ubuntusetup produced + the monitorlayout option
[11:40] <stvn> k
[11:40] <djrom_> :(
[11:40] <djrom_> 640x480 suxx
[11:43] <siimo> does anyone use eclipse here?
[11:44] <mojo_> ah
[11:44] <mojo_> something wrong with new Xorg
[11:44] <mojo_> the glxgear no longer works
[11:44] <mojo_> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[11:45] <mojo_> is it my mistake or bug?
[11:45] <daniels> bug
[11:45] <mojo_> thx
[11:46] <mojo_> it's nice to see python2.4 is out in latest update
[11:46] <mojo_> now I'm just waiting for gnome-doc-utils and yelp built based on new python2.4, then all'd be perfect!
[11:48] <daniels> stvn: ok, it should work if you ditch HorizSync and VertRefresh
[11:48] <daniels> stvn: and probably the modeline also, since IIRC I added it last revision
[11:48] <stvn> k lets try
[11:49] <douglas> im trying to copy a file for a smb share in nautilus and it is not copying, it only gives me a timeout
[11:49] <douglas> do i have to install samba ?
[11:50] <siimo> does anyone use eclipse here?
[11:50] <siimo> i just want to know if you see cut off buttons with ubuntu human theme
[11:50] <siimo> is this the theme bug or eclipse bug
[11:50] <douglas> and another thing
[11:50] <douglas> is there a way to change the default gnome menu ?
[11:51] <mojo_> siimo: me!
[11:51] <mojo_> siimo: I use Eclipse
[11:51] <thoreauputic> douglas: go to applications:// in nautilus to add launchers to your menu
[11:51] <siimo> mojo_, do you have this problem
[11:52] <stvn> daniels: nope, without modeline is ok, but without hor/ver it takes the resolution of the external screen instead of the laptop (1024x768 vs 1280x800)
[11:52] <siimo> damn he left
[11:52] <douglas> ok
[11:52] <daniels> stvn: interesting; could you please send the log without HorizSync/VertRefresh?
[11:52] <djrom_> daniels
[11:52] <daniels> djrom_: sup
[11:53] <djrom_> HorizSync/Vertrefresh,
[11:53] <djrom_> in which section can we add them ?
[11:53] <douglas> that application trick did not work
[11:53] <daniels> djrom_: in the Device section
[11:53] <thoreauputic> douglas: you have to right click, add
[11:54] <thoreauputic> then choose your icon etc
[11:54] <will> when i inst a new kernel, do i have to reinstall the nvidia driver aswell?
[11:54] <djrom_> Section "Device"
[11:54] <djrom_>         Identifier      "Trident Microsystems CyberBlade i1"
[11:54] <djrom_>         Driver          "trident"
[11:54] <djrom_>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[11:54] <djrom_> EndSection
[11:54] <djrom_> ?
[11:54] <daniels> djrom_: sorry, Monitor section
[11:55] <daniels> will: if you installed it yourself, yes
[11:55] <daniels> will: that's why we provide packages of it
[11:55] <djrom_> =)
[11:55] <djrom_>         Option  "HorizSync" "28-49"
[11:55] <djrom_>         Option  "VertRefresh" "43-72"
[11:55] <djrom_>         Option          "DPMS"
[11:56] <daniels> djrom_: right
[11:56] <djrom_> writted by dpkg-reconfigure :o
[11:56] <will> daniels: its very good that the new ver. of the kernel comes out, but having to go throught the nvidia install every time seems really boring. is it something that could be put in crontab?
[11:56] <douglas> i want to remove a item from the menu
[11:57] <daniels> will: why do you want to install it yourself?  we have packages of the nvidia driver
[11:57] <thoreauputic> douglas: you can't right-click delete? Permissions issue I expect
[11:57] <will> is that so? will look now :)
[11:58] <cenerentola> multimedia newbie: sorry but why do i hear noise while listening to mp3s
[11:58] <thoreauputic> douglas: you might need sudo to delete menu entries - haven't tried it myself
[11:58] <douglas> but the item i want to delete is in the foot menu
[11:59] <will> daniels: would it be a good idea to remove the old (self installed) driver first?
[11:59] <will> cenerentola: keep PCM volume t around 2/3
[11:59] <cenerentola> ok
[12:00] <daniels> will: shouldn't matter
[12:00] <cenerentola> will: big thanks
[12:00] <will> cenerentola: it could be other things though !
[12:00] <will> daniles: thanks will try it now then
[12:00] <cenerentola> will: well it works...
[12:05] <douglas> i cant access the applications:/// on the neutilus menu
[12:05] <douglas> nautilus
[12:05] <douglas> how to correct this ?
[12:05] <douglas> do i have to install a different package ?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> douglas: did you ctrl-l and then type in the location?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> ctrl-L
[12:07] <douglas> it says that it is not a valid localization
[12:07] <douglas> im using hoary
[12:10] <douglas> do you have a idea ?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> douglas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#applicationsmenu
[12:11] <seb128> applications:/// was using the old menu format
[12:11] <seb128> doesn't work for hoary
[12:11] <seb128> you can install menu and menu-xdg is you want a debian submenu with all the entries
[12:11] <thoreauputic> ah, OK sorry
[12:12] <seb128> or add some .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications
[12:12] <thoreauputic> so wht's the editing method for Hoary?
[12:12] <seb128> making .desktop entries by hand for the moment
[12:13] <seb128> the menus format has changed, so some new tools need to be written
[12:13] <seb128> that's a development branch ...
[12:13] <douglas> oh
[12:13] <douglas> ok
[12:16] <will> daniels: all is well now :)
[12:18] <douglas> did you manange to copy from nautilus (hoary) to using smb shares ?
[12:18] <douglas> from a machine to another
[12:18] <douglas> when i try this nautilus freeze
[12:31] <tuxJr_14> hi
[12:32] <thenuke> hohhaohoo, I ordered some booze =)
[12:32] <thenuke> http://cygserv.cygnnet.jkl.fi/thenuke/holia/
[12:34] <scoon> thenuke, even at 6:30am in philly, those make me thirsty.
[12:34] <scoon> thenuke, god bless booze, without it, there would be no hot girls.
[12:34] <thenuke> :-] 
[12:43] <DoktorTomoe> Hi
[12:43] <DoktorTomoe> Does *anyone* know the proper way of getting an ESS Maestro3 sound chip back to work?
[12:43] <douglas> hi
[12:44] <douglas> i updated some gnome things yesterday and now nautilus is breaking everytime
[12:44] <DoktorTomoe> douglas: how did you upgrade?
[12:45] <douglas> apt-get update
[12:45] <douglas> apt-get upgrade
[12:46] <douglas> and gnome is not recognizing my sound card too
[12:46] <fct> DoktorTomoe, tried "modprobe esssolo1"? perhaps the module for maestro1 works too
[12:46] <DoktorTomoe> fct: modprove esssolo1 : FATAL: Module off not found.
[12:47] <fct> ok, try running "modconfig" and browsing the kernel/sound entries
[12:47] <DoktorTomoe> fct: I really think it should work, There is a startup message that maestro3 war disabled in configuration. I am not ure in WHAT configuration file, however.
[12:48] <fct> try with modconfig, it should install and activate the modules
[12:48] <DoktorTomoe> fct: modconfig does not seem to exist on my machine. How do I get it?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> modconf actually
[12:49] <fct> apt-get install modconf
[12:49] <fct> yeah, I forgot it changed the name
[12:49] <fct> I just type "modc<TAB>" :)
[12:50] <thoreauputic> fct: exactly ;)
[12:51] <DoktorTomoe> fct: something is really screwed up here ... there is no modconf in the apt rep.
[12:51] <fct> neither a command in your system?
[12:52] <DoktorTomoe> fct: neither a command in my system (and no, I am NOT using Windows ;)
[12:52] <thoreauputic> DoktorTomoe: does `whereis modconf` return anything?
[12:52] <fct> DoktorTomoe, are you using macos? j/k
[12:52] <DoktorTomoe> thoreauputic: modconfig:
[12:53] <thoreauputic> DoktorTomoe: no - modconf
[12:53] <thoreauputic> sudo modconf
[12:53] <DoktorTomoe> thoreauputic: modconf:  (I am doing all this as root)
[12:53] <thoreauputic> weird
[12:54] <fct> apt-cache search modconf
[12:54] <thoreauputic> ah well maybe it's deprecated or something ;)
[12:54] <DoktorTomoe> fct: no outpot
[12:54] <fct> argh, damn it
[12:54] <fct> well, try this:
[12:55] <thoreauputic> DoktorTomoe: you have universe enabled?
[12:55] <fct> modprobe --list |grep sound |less
[12:55] <DoktorTomoe> thoreauputic: yes.
[12:55] <fct> that should give you the list of sound modules
[12:56] <DoktorTomoe> fct: got about 100 or so. maestro3 is in it.
[12:56] <fct> right
[12:56] <fct> do modprobe snd-maestro3 (if that's the name)
[12:57] <DoktorTomoe> fct: ok
[12:57] <Haukkari> Squeak
[12:57] <fct> should work, try
[12:57] <Haukkari> /lib/cpp fails sanity check
[12:57] <Haukkari> And when I run it, it just jams there. ctrl+c does help, though
[12:57] <DoktorTomoe> Haukkari: apt-get install cpp
[12:57] <Haukkari> DoktorTomoe: it's installed
[12:58] <thoreauputic> Haukkari: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:58] <Haukkari> thoreauputic: oh. Wow.
[12:58] <Haukkari> Aww.
[12:58] <Haukkari> cpp still hangs
[12:59] <Haukkari> strace tells it's waiting for something... wait4(-1,    are the last words. :)
[12:59] <thoreauputic> Haukkari: hoary?
[12:59] <Haukkari> thoreauputic: nope, Warty
[12:59] <thoreauputic> hmm
[12:59] <Haukkari> thoreauputic: I was thinking of upgrading to Hoary tho. But I don't know how broken it is
[12:59] <DoktorTomoe> fct: does not work. do I have to restart alsa or something?
[01:00] <thoreauputic> Haukkari: heh - pretty broken at the moment - X problems and such
[01:00] <fct> DoktorTomoe, I guess so
[01:00] <Haukkari> thoreauputic: aww.
[01:00] <DoktorTomoe> fct: any hints how I do this? (I am one of these adepts, I know..)
[01:00] <thoreauputic> Haukkari: what are you compiling?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> DoktorTomoe: /etc/init.d/alsa
[01:01] <thoreauputic> followed by `start`
[01:01] <fct> yep, "/etc/init.d/alsa restart" should work
[01:01] <Haukkari> thoreauputic: valknut (a newer version of dcgui-qt)
[01:01] <thoreauputic> on the same line of course
[01:02] <fct> also, you can try the command "alsaconf"
[01:02] <thoreauputic> Haukkari: ah - never heard of it ;)
[01:03] <Haukkari> thoreauputic: :(
[01:03] <Haukkari> thoreauputic: dcgui-qt is in apt but it's ooold. :)
[01:03] <thoreauputic> Haukkari: I see
[01:04] <DoktorTomoe> fct: alsaconf saved my day :) are those changes permanent?
[01:04] <DoktorTomoe> fct: e.g. after an reboot?
[01:04] <fct> yep
[01:04] <thoreauputic> DoktorTomoe: you might need to run alsactl
[01:04] <fct> alsaconf updates the modules configuration
[01:04] <superted> I found hoary to unstable for me. Will it be even slightly possible to downgrade?
[01:05] <will> superted: i had the same experience, and no, its time to reinstall
[01:05] <DoktorTomoe> thoreauputic, fct: thank you, domou arigatou gozaimasu...
[01:05] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:05] <fct> that's the ugly part of using development software :P
[01:05] <will> superted: its theoretically possible, but its quicker to reinstall all :)
[01:06] <superted> will: okay
[01:06] <will> warty is rock solid ):
[01:07] <superted> yeah i know
[01:07] <superted> but i always get tempted by bleeding core stuff, but my situation today requires me to be able to log into X at all times :\
[01:08] <xevil> superted: the up side is that a warty install will take less than an hour... :)
[01:09] <superted> yeah i just have to do some magic to find disk space
[01:09] <DoktorTomoe> I feel guilty of asking for another piece of help ... -_-;
[01:09] <fct> DoktorTomoe, this is the support channel :P
[01:10] <fct> anyway, I must confess I don't use ubuntu and am still waiting for the cds to arrive
[01:10] <DoktorTomoe> fct: yeah, but i do not want to be selfish ... however, there is this pcmcia wlan card of mine
[01:10] <fct> which model/chipset? a centrino one?
[01:10] <DoktorTomoe> ndiswrapper uses the windows drivers, and loaded them
[01:10] <DoktorTomoe> Realtek (a netgear card)
[01:11] <DoktorTomoe> it used to work (with some quirks), but it does not after I crashed the system
[01:11] <fct> hmmm, not sure there
[01:11] <sid77> hi
[01:11] <Haukkari> thoreauputic: I managed to bypass the /lib/cpp-check
[01:11] <Haukkari> thoreauputic: so now I can compile this. Yay. :)
[01:11] <Haukkari> thoreauputic: I just hope it works. ;)
[01:12] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:14] <thoreauputic> gotta go - have fun :)
[01:20] <DoktorTomoe> Where/What is the proper file to define hostnames of IPs in a local network?
[01:20] <fct> DoktorTomoe, /etc/hosts, if I remember correctly
[01:20] <fct> try "man hosts" for the format
[01:22] <DoktorTomoe> merci :)
[01:26] <fct> DoktorTomoe, try http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ for docs, perhaps you don't need to ask here
[01:26] <fct> but if you need to, and find a solution, perhaps you could contribute to documentation :)
[01:30] <noam> hello
[01:31] <noam> does anyone know where I can report bugs in the Hoary Hedgehog release?
[01:34] <moriddin2> hi, could anyone help me out please? im trying to boot from the ubuntu CD in order to install it and it tells me something like boot error: Disk Error 32, AX = 4200 Drive 9F
[01:34] <opi> hi guys
[01:34] <moriddin2> hi
[01:34] <moriddin2> opi, could you help me out please?
[01:35] <moriddin2> hi, could anyone help me out please? im trying to boot from the ubuntu CD in order to install it and it tells me something like boot error: Disk Error 32, AX = 4200 Drive 9F
[01:35] <opi> hum..
[01:36] <DoktorTomoe> moriddin2: Is it possible that the ISO you downloaded does not mat6ch the checksum?
[01:36] <moriddin2> whats a checksum?
[01:37] <DoktorTomoe> its a hash of data. if the checksums do not match, the files are different (e.g. you had a broken download)
[01:37] <moriddin2> i dont think so, the download was smooth
[01:37] <moriddin2> and i downloaded it twice
[01:38] <DoktorTomoe> are you absolutly sure the download was ok?
[01:39] <moriddin2> yes
[01:40] <stvn> moriddin2: could be your bios
[01:40] <moriddin2> what  do you mean?
[01:40] <stvn> google on your error gives a lot or posts on hardware/bios problems (together with faulty CDs)
[01:40] <stvn> moriddin2: what kind of motherboard do you have?
[01:41] <stvn> moriddin2: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/49308
[01:42] <stvn> moriddin2: you need to write down the exact error, probably there's something before and after the disk error line
[01:45] <moriddin2> wait a sec
[01:45] <DoktorTomoe> anyone a idea what could be wrong with this fstab line: dolores:/home/Gemeinsame\ Dateien /media/nfs/dolores_gemeinsame nfs auto,user 0 0
[01:45] <TenPlus1> Hi folks...
[01:45] <cef> sure the server side has that capital G in it's share name?
[01:45] <TenPlus1> I need a little help installing a sound-driver under Ubuntu... anyone ??
[01:46] <DoktorTomoe> cef: yes, it has.
[01:46] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: Just fixed this problem (with a lot of help). Maybe I can help ...
[01:47] <cef> ahh that space in the share name might be the issue.. might try double escaping that space
[01:47] <TenPlus1> DoktorTomoe: excellent... I have a SoundMAX onboard...
[01:47] <DoktorTomoe> cef: didnt work :(
[01:48] <cef> DoktorTomoe: hrm.. manual mounting it from the command line works?
[01:48] <DoktorTomoe> cef: jupp
[01:49] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: and what seems to be the problem?
[01:50] <TenPlus1> DoktorTomoe: well, Ubuntu cannot find my soundcard, and I have an alsa-driver-9.9.1adi directory (I unzipped) with the driver inside, although it doesnt install at all
[01:50] <TenPlus1> I followed the make instructions but they only result in errors
[01:50] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: did you try alsaconf?
[01:50] <TenPlus1> at the command-line ?
[01:51] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: try sudo alsaconf
[01:52] <TenPlus1> Doktor: it says command not found
[01:52] <DoktorTomoe> hmmmm
[01:52] <karlos> hi..can anybody help me change my monitor res please...i'm gettin a tad confused
[01:52] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: apt-cache search alsaconf
[01:54] <TenPlus1> DoKtor: came up with "alsa-utils - Advances Linux Sound Architechture (utilities)"
[01:54] <DoktorTomoe> nfs problem solved. had to be escaped with \040 (numerical space)
[01:54] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils
[01:55] <iz> ohja hij zeikt over gnome volume panel not found
[01:55] <iz> argh sorry
[01:55] <TenPlus1> alsa-base and alsa-utils is already the newest version (it says)
[01:55] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: sudo apt-get remove alsa-base alsa-utils
[01:56] <DoktorTomoe> then install it again. Maybe your compile broke something ...
[01:59] <dasdas> hi
[01:59] <dasdas> how do you execute windows executables in linux - can you?
[01:59] <dasdas> ubuntu
[01:59] <thenuke> you would need wine for example
[02:00] <DoktorTomoe> windows on another partition also helps in most cases. makes it smoother
[02:00] <thenuke> it's not an windows emulator but allows you to run some windows software in linux
[02:00] <DoktorTomoe> when using wine
[02:03] <TenPlus1> DoKtor: it's asking for the install CD and I inserted it, now it's not accepting
[02:03] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: Try commenting out the reference to CD in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:04] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: it should get the packages from the net then
[02:06] <TenPlus1> it wont let me... file is read only
[02:09] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: you know vi?
[02:10] <TenPlus1> nope, sorry
[02:11] <stvn> DoktorTomoe: let him use gedit or nano
[02:11] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: which editor do you use?
[02:11] <DoktorTomoe> hm, ok
[02:12] <stvn> userfriendly etc ;)
[02:12] <TenPlus1> anything that's useable...
[02:12] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:12] <DoktorTomoe> useable, yes. Userfriendly? :)
[02:12] <stvn> lol
[02:13] <DoktorTomoe> you get your own idea of userfriendlyness after 5 weeks without a gui :)
[02:13] <TenPlus1> ok, I rem'd out the cd lines
[02:13] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: now: sudo apt-get update
[02:13] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: and then sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils
[02:14] <dobber> hi all, i have a problem booting the live cd on my laptop, it hangs on "enableing DMA on hdc [cdrom blabla] "
[02:14] <TenPlus1> DoK: it's installing now...
[02:15] <TenPlus1> done
[02:15] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: What was your problem again? ;) ... try sudo alsaconf
[02:16] <TenPlus1> command not found
[02:16] <DoktorTomoe> whereis alsaconf
[02:16] <TenPlus1> ?? dunno
[02:16] <DoktorTomoe> maybe your shell knows? :)
[02:16] <crimsun> alsaconf is in the 'alsa-utils' package
[02:16] <crimsun> /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[02:17] <TenPlus1> all that's in there is alsactl
[02:17] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: you are sure that the alsa-utils package is installed?
[02:17] <TenPlus1> yep, installed ok
[02:18] <crimsun> dobber: check the boot options
[02:18] <crimsun> dobber: I believe there's an option to disable enabling DMA for ATAPI devices
[02:19] <mmpf> in which file can i tell ubuntu to modprobe nvidia at startup?
[02:19] <mmpf> i added a script in the rc5.d directory
[02:20] <pisuke> /etc/modules
[02:20] <dobber> crimsun: 10x
[02:20] <DoktorTomoe> TenPlus1: Sorry, i am stuck
[02:21] <crimsun> mmpf: dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-common|grep ^ii
[02:21] <TenPlus1> that's ok... I didn't think it would be that easy to be honest...
[02:21] <TenPlus1> thx tho
[02:24] <emanuelez> hello *
[02:24] <emanuelez> what pogram do u suggest me to download pictures from a digital camera?
[02:26] <TenPlus1> I have an INSTALL and INSTALL.SH file in my sound-card driver directory, how do I install it properly ??
[02:26] <crimsun> TenPlus1: aren't you using ALSA?
[02:27] <TenPlus1> I have no idea... am new to driver install under linux...
[02:27] <TenPlus1> any help would be most appreciated
[02:27] <crimsun> TenPlus1: you shouldn't have had to install anything. Ubuntu configures it automagically.
[02:27] <TenPlus1> crimsun: during boot it says that it couldnt find my soundcard
[02:28] <TenPlus1> i have a "SoundMAX Integral Digital Audio"
[02:28] <crimsun> TenPlus1: you'll use the snd-intel8x0 ALSA driver
[02:28] <TenPlus1> how do I set that up ??
[02:31] <xevil> that dobber is a really nice guy, huh?
[02:31] <crimsun> TenPlus1: please paste on pastebin.com the output of `lsmod|grep snd'
[02:31] <TenPlus1> ok, typed it, but no output
[02:36] <cef> ok, where do I find the equivalent of the msttcorefonts package in debian?
[02:36] <TenPlus1> how do I run a batch-file... it's called install-sh but when I type it in, it says command not found
[02:37] <cef> TenPlus1: the local directory is not in your path. either specify the whole path, or put ./ in front of the filename if it's in the current directory
[02:38] <TenPlus1> cef: doesnt work...
[02:38] <zeedo> TenPlus1: chmod +x install-sh; ./install-sh
[02:39] <TenPlus1> says "no input file specified"
[02:40] <zeedo> TenPlus1: what are you trying to install ?
[02:40] <TenPlus1> a sound driver for my motherboard
[02:40] <crimsun> TenPlus1: how about `lsmod|grep i810_audio' ?
[02:41] <TenPlus1> tried that, nothing happened
[02:43] <crimsun> TenPlus1: `sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0'
[02:43] <TenPlus1> ok, done that, nothing appeared, just the prompt again
[02:44] <crimsun> TenPlus1: good
[02:44] <crimsun> TenPlus1: `sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss'
[02:45] <TenPlus1> same again...
[02:46] <crimsun> TenPlus1: good.
[02:46] <TenPlus1> ? what does that mean ?
[02:46] <crimsun> TenPlus1: check the output of `groups'
[02:46] <crimsun> TenPlus1: make sure "audio" is listed
[02:46] <TenPlus1> how do I do that ? where is groups ?
[02:47] <crimsun> TenPlus1: I use the syntax `foo' to denote a command you type in a terminal
[02:47] <dasdas> hi
[02:48] <dasdas> how do you execute windows .exe files on ubuntu?
[02:48] <crimsun> dasdas: ...you don't. Why?
[02:48] <crimsun> TenPlus1: what is the output?
[02:49] <cef> erm, is it just me, or is msttcorefonts missing from hoary?
[02:49] <TenPlus1> you've lost me crimsun...
[02:49] <dasdas> i mean can u use windows applications on ubuntu?
[02:49] <mmpf> i think with wine you can
[02:49] <DoktorTomoe> dasdas: Yes, you can. Install wine
[02:49] <cef> dasdas: normally no, with wine, depends on the apps.
[02:49] <dasdas> thanx
[02:49] <dasdas> where can i download wine?
[02:49] <DoktorTomoe> dasdas: As mentioned earlier, an windows partition helps running even the most obscure windows program
[02:50] <DoktorTomoe> dasdas: sudo apt-get install wine
[02:50] <dasdas> thanx
[02:50] <crimsun> TenPlus1: you typed those lsmod commands in a terminal
[02:50] <DoktorTomoe> sudo apt-get install wine winesetup should save you trouble though
[02:50] <crimsun> TenPlus1: therefore, type the groups command in a terminal, too
[02:50] <TenPlus1> yes
[02:52] <crimsun> TenPlus1: and what is the output of the `groups' command?
[02:52] <mmpf> has someone this cymotion keyboard from cherry running on ubuntu?
[02:53] <TenPlus1> is just says "root"
[02:53] <crimsun> TenPlus1: what is the output of `whoami'?
[02:53] <emanuelez> when do u think gphoto2 2.1.5 will be installable?
[02:53] <TenPlus1> root
[02:53] <crimsun> TenPlus1: why are you root?
[02:54] <TenPlus1> I have no idea
[02:54] <TenPlus1> does that make a difference tho
[02:54] <crimsun> TenPlus1: you're not using a livecd, are you?
[02:54] <TenPlus1> no, it's installed
[02:54] <crimsun> TenPlus1: how did you get to root?
[02:54] <TenPlus1> ??? just opened a shell
[02:54] <emanuelez> TenPlus1: it supports my new camera.. that's it :(
[02:55] <crimsun> TenPlus1: well, open a regular shell
[02:55] <mmpf> error: "Couldn't find QT development headers!" <- how can i get them?
[02:55] <crimsun> TenPlus1: a non-root shell
[02:55] <TenPlus1> k, i opened the shell again and typed groups
[02:55] <TenPlus1> audio appears
[02:55] <crimsun> TenPlus1: good.
[02:55] <crimsun> TenPlus1: in that same shell, type `alsamixer'
[02:55] <TenPlus1> function failed: no such device
[02:56] <mmpf> what do i have to install to get QT development headers?
[02:56] <G-man> hi, guys can you tell me where to download a checksum program and how to use it?
[02:57] <G-man> ive downloaded and burnt ubuntu and im having lots of trouble installing it..
[02:57] <crimsun> mmpf: sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev libqt3-headers qt3-dev-tools
[02:57] <G-man> please help i must install this im going insane
[02:57] <mmpf> thx crimsun
[02:57] <G-man> O_O
[02:57] <crimsun> TenPlus1: output of `cat /proc/asound/cards' ?
[02:57] <mmpf> G-man, try md5sum
[02:57] <G-man> how do i use it?
[02:57] <TenPlus1> "--- no soundcards ---"
[02:57] <mmpf> have you linux running?
[02:58] <Gorth> Is it possible to force alsa not to mute my LINEIN at startup?
[02:58] <G-man> nope i dont im using winxp
[02:58] <mmpf> if you have then: md5sum ubuntuiso.iso
[02:58] <G-man> im converting myself to linux
[02:58] <crimsun> Gorth: it's not muted unless you leave it muted. When you shut down, the mixer settings are saved.
[02:58] <mmpf> hmm i'll look at google
[02:59] <crimsun> TenPlus1: give me the relevant `lspci -v' output for your sound chipset, please.
[02:59] <G-man> mmpf: the ubuntu installation always gets stuck at the 59% when its retrieving information, on the netcfg file
[03:00] <Gorth> crimsun: ahh ok, that's weird. I don't remember muting it before I reboot.
[03:00] <mmpf> http://www.irnis.net/gloss/md5sum-windows.shtml there you can get it for windows
[03:00] <TenPlus1> crimson: nothing appears for sound-card, or nothing I can make out to be a sound-card
[03:00] <crimsun> TenPlus1: then paste all of the output onto pastebin.com
[03:01] <G-man> 10Q mate
[03:01] <mmpf> is your ubuntu trying to get files from the internet? mybe it can't get a connection?
[03:02] <G-man> i dont think so, since i burnt the image onto a cdrom and im booting it from the cd
[03:02] <TenPlus1> crimsun: done...
[03:02] <G-man> and i have internal modem...
[03:02] <cef> where is msttcorefonts? anyone?
[03:02] <G-man> a dsl one
[03:02] <crimsun> cef: in the 'multiverse' repo
[03:03] <cef> crimsun: ahh ok.. might edit the wiki then, since it just says you can apt it.
[03:03] <mmpf> i'm using ubuntu today the first time too ... so maybe someone else can help?
[03:04] <crimsun> TenPlus1: hmm. Do you have an ISA sound chipset?
[03:05] <xevil> cef: in Debian testing contrib I think
[03:05] <TenPlus1> I have no idea... all I know is that it's a SoundMAX onboard my Asus A7V8X-MX SE motherboard
[03:06] <mmpf> G-man, can it be that linux can't handle your modem?
[03:07] <G-man> it can be so i disconnected it once
[03:07] <G-man> and it happend again.. (stuck)
[03:07] <G-man> maybe its because of my motherboard?
[03:08] <G-man> i have asus p4p800
[03:09] <mmpf> or your iso is damaged... can be that it simply can't read the file
[03:09] <G-man> well i download it again and burn it again.. im going to checkit out. .ill be back soon
[03:09] <crimsun> TenPlus1: did you disable it in bios? did you assign an irq to it in bios?
[03:10] <mmpf> or check the checksum of your old iso G-man
[03:10] <G-man> k
[03:11] <TenPlus1> crimsun: it works fine under windows and has irq 22
[03:11] <crimsun> TenPlus1: working under Windows doesn't mean a single thing.
[03:12] <TenPlus1> true, but it is working and not disabled in any way
[03:12] <crimsun> it appears to be disabled
[03:12] <crimsun> I checked the motherboard specs; it should be PCI-based
[03:12] <crimsun> therefore it should be listed in lspci output
[03:12] <crimsun> yet it's not?
[03:13] <TenPlus1> weird...
[03:15] <cef> xevil: it's in multiverse. I've updated the wiki anyway saying it's in multiverse
[03:15] <cef> xevil: and I just installed it from there, so all is good. *grin*
[03:16] <xevil> cef: thanks... I'm new to Ubuntu, but have used Debian for a while
[03:17] <cef> think we need to add a section to the FAQ about the different repo's, what each holds, and how to enable them
[03:17] <cef> xevil: similar.. nort so new to ubuntu, but really not been using it since just before the release
[03:17] <cef> xevil: but previously a long time debian user
[03:18] <TenPlus1> thx for your help tho crimsun...
[03:18] <crimsun> TenPlus1: would you paste `lsmod' output to pastebin.com?
[03:19] <mmpf> is someone using the cymotionmaster linux from cherry?
[03:19] <xevil> cef: I installed Ubuntu 3 days ago... it has a familiar feel to it, though I'm not a Gnome fan...
[03:21] <TenPlus1> crimsun: done
[03:22] <xevil> BBL... this dialup is killing me...
[03:23] <crimsun> TenPlus1: hmm, did you reboot, or did you remove the ALSA modules?
[03:23] <TenPlus1> I reboot...
[03:24] <berstein> Hello.  Any pointers on setting up a CD burning under Warty (kernel 2.6.8.1) ?
[03:24] <crimsun> TenPlus1: out of curiosity, do you use your printer port?
[03:25] <TenPlus1> nope, and I've re-pasted the lsmod list after putting in those commands again
[03:27] <crimsun> TenPlus1: still nothing in /proc/asound/cards, correct?
[03:28] <TenPlus1> cant get into cards directory...
[03:28] <crimsun> TenPlus1: cat /proc/asound/cards
[03:29] <TenPlus1> nothing... "--- no soundcards ---"
[03:29] <crimsun> ok, reboot and disable the printer port in bios
[03:31] <kquamme94> anyone home?
[03:31] <berstein> some at home, others at office :)  how can we help you?
[03:31] <mmpf> i'm at home
[03:31] <kquamme94> can anyone help me real quick on a samba issue
[03:31] <crimsun> TenPlus1: ah, we've been trying the wrong driver :)
[03:32] <mmpf> can i turn a rpm-file in a .deb file?
[03:32] <TenPlus1> crimsun: doh!...
[03:32] <Rotund> anyone know the status of mono in hoary?  I can't seem to get it to install (missing the mono-assemblies)
[03:32] <crimsun> TenPlus1: modprobe snd-via82xx snd-pcm-oss
[03:33] <kquamme94> i need to access and folder on my ubuntu machine named "/sambashare" from a WinXP machine in the same room. I am using 192.168.1.X naming sceme and have the workgroup names set the same, but can't get it to show up in the network neighborhood
[03:33] <lexhider> mmpf: alien
[03:34] <crimsun> Rotund: I presume mono-assemblies-base and mono-assemblies-arch will be updated to match 1.0.4 soon
[03:34] <kquamme94> "access a folder"
[03:34] <lexhider> mmpf: I use alien to convert the realplayer10 rpm to a deb which I then install with dpkg.
[03:34] <mmpf> the man-page sounds good :)
[03:34] <mmpf> thx lexhider
[03:34] <kquamme94> anyone have any ideas for me?
[03:35] <mmpf> have you searched for the ip of your ubuntu-maschine?
[03:35] <xLobeznox> what does ubuntu use for screen detect'
[03:35] <TenPlus1> crimsun: now I get a page full of errors
[03:35] <crimsun> TenPlus1: did you reboot first?
[03:35] <TenPlus1> yep
[03:36] <kquamme94> mmpf: i tried to search for the share and add it as a network drive and it couldn't find it
[03:36] <crimsun> TenPlus1: what sort of errors? (use pastebin.com)
[03:37] <kquamme94> i have made sure the firewall is not causing the problem and have ruled that out
[03:37] <TenPlus1> k, sent...
[03:38] <crimsun> TenPlus1: you have to sudo modprobe ...
[03:39] <crimsun> TenPlus1: inserting/removing modules requires root privileges
[03:39] <kquamme94> if anyone knows how to make samba work, I would greatly aprpreciate it because I am currently at school trying to finish this project
[03:40] <TenPlus1> crimsun: ok, works now under root terminal
[03:41] <crimsun> TenPlus1: ok, in a normal terminal, run `alsamixer'
[03:41] <mmpf> have you started the sambademon kquamme94?
[03:41] <TenPlus1> "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such device"
[03:42] <crimsun> TenPlus1: does `cat /proc/asound/cards' still report no devices?
[03:42] <TenPlus1> yep, afraid so
[03:44] <crimsun> ah well.
[03:44] <TenPlus1> *sob* I really don't wanna use Windows anymore...
[03:45] <kquamme94> no one has any suggestion for me?
[03:45] <kquamme94> suggestions*
[03:47] <mmpf> have you started the sambademon kquamme94 ?
[03:47] <kquamme94> yep
[03:48] <kquamme94> i have everything configured and started, it's just not showing up on the windows machines
[03:51] <ashish> Hi to all
[03:51] <ashish> Long time no see
[03:51] <ashish> I am fighting to install Ubuntu Linux on all of my PCs of my department
[03:51] <ashish> treenaks, are you there ?
[03:51] <ashish> are you there, bob2 ?
[03:52] <ashish> stuNNed, how are you man ?
[03:52] <spacedman> stuNNed silence...
[03:54] <ashish> By the way, how do I install fonts in Ubuntu ?
[03:55] <ashish> I have a local font which I want to install in Ubuntu
[03:55] <ashish> Is Gentoo better than Ubuntu ?
[03:55] <will> umm
[03:56] <D4_> hi :)
[03:56] <ashish> One of my friends said that Gentoo is a Father and Ubuntu a child
[03:57] <ashish> Is Emerge better than apt-get ???
[03:57] <zeedo> ashish: you probably wont get an unbiased distro comparison in a channel devoted to one of the subjects of the comparison
[03:58] <ashish> Well how is Ubuntu better than the other Linux Distros ???
[04:00] <ashish> I have a small problem installing fonts in Ubuntu
[04:01] <ashish> How do I install fonts in Ubuntu ?
[04:01] <ashish> How do I update Ubuntu ?
[04:02] <superted> ashish: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:02] <ashish> Well I have seen it
[04:02] <ashish> But I still can't install some fonts I need
[04:03] <superted> .ttf fonts?
[04:04] <ashish> Yes
[04:04] <ashish> ttf fonts
[04:05] <superted> then you just need to put them in a font folder
[04:05] <superted> don't know which
[04:05] <Rotund> one that is in your XF86Config
[04:05] <ashish> where is the font directory ?
[04:05] <Rotund> and you need to run ttmkfdir
[04:06] <Rotund> you probably want to make your own
[04:06] <Rotund> then just add it like...
[04:07] <ashish> Well what is the first process ?
[04:07] <Rotund> if you open /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, it'll become quite obvious
[04:07] <Rotund> (FontPath is the keyword),,, right at the top
[04:07] <Rotund> create a directory
[04:07] <Rotund> typically under /usr/
[04:08] <Rotund> umm.. one sec
[04:08] <Rotund> /usr/lib/X11/fonts
[04:08] <Rotund> make one called "myfonts"
[04:08] <Rotund> toss all your fonts in there
[04:08] <xLobeznox> what does ubuntu use for screen detect'?
[04:08] <mjg59> Uh
[04:09] <mjg59> Easiest thing to do is just to open fonts:/// in Nautilus and drag them in there
[04:09] <mjg59> fontconfig will look after the rest
[04:09] <Rotund> or that
[04:09] <Rotund>  =)
[04:09] <mjg59> xLobeznox: A lot of magic
[04:09] <ashish> Then the browser will detect my local fonts automatically
[04:09] <ashish> Anyway Rotund, thanks
[04:09] <xLobeznox> mjg59, are you devel?
[04:09] <rjek> Is there a way of getting esd to listen on TCP publically? It seems to ignore /etc/esound/esd.conf
[04:09] <mjg59> xLobeznox: Not really
[04:09] <rjek> And the sound configuration just has a tick box to enable automatically starting esd.
[04:10] <Rotund> rjek: you killed esd and restarted it?
[04:10] <xLobeznox> ok, I would like to know what ubuntu use for that, I need it
[04:10] <xLobeznox> for a GUI app
[04:10] <dentedtaxi> hi everyone
[04:10] <rjek> Rotund: I can kill it and restart it manually with my choice of switches, yes.
[04:10] <Rotund> xLobeznox: as in "what resolutions does my monitor support?"
[04:11] <rjek> But I'd like it to do that when I log in so I don't have to.
[04:11] <Rotund> and it still doesn't opena public port?
[04:11] <Rotund> you firewalled?
[04:11] <Lyahgelo> Hi to all
[04:11] <xLobeznox> Rotund, resolution, and refresh, yes
[04:11] <xLobeznox> Rotund, and how many screens are there is posible to know?
[04:11] <rjek> Rotund: It doesn't open a public port by default.  I want to change that.  If I kill the one it starts, and start my own with the right switches, it works.
[04:12] <rjek> I want to change the switches that get passed to it when it automatically starts when I log in.
[04:12] <Rotund> rjek: what did you add to esd.conf?
[04:12] <rjek> Rotund: -tcp -public -promiscuous
[04:12] <rjek> But it doesn't appear to be touching that file.
[04:12] <mjg59> rjek: My recollection is that esd doesn't behave usefully when it's started by Gnome
[04:13] <rjek> Because if I remove the -nobeeps, it doesn't beep when I log in.
[04:13] <Rotund> xLobeznox: You want to know just what it is currently?  or of the possible choices currently in X?  Or more of "I am going to set-up detecting what monitor you have)
[04:13] <rjek> mjg59: Damn it. :)
[04:13] <anir> hii
[04:13] <lifeless> mjg59: esd doesn't behave usefullyt... ever
[04:13] <Rotund> rjek: you could try polypaudio
[04:13] <anir> hey guys
[04:13] <rjek> It's just fine if you want to make a beep every-so-often and have it occur at approx. the right time, or for streaming music from another machine.
[04:13] <rjek> Rotund: I could, if I had any idea what it was. :)
[04:13] <anir> anyome want to talk to me??
[04:14] <Rotund> rjek: Another implementation of a mixer that's ESD compat.
[04:14] <rjek> Hello anir.
[04:14] <rjek> Rotund: OK.  Say I use that.  How do you tell Gnome to use that instead? :)
[04:14] <anir> hi rjek
[04:14] <rjek> Or does it provide an "esd" command too?
[04:14] <Rotund> rjek: It just does
[04:14] <anir> i want to ask u a question rjek
[04:14] <Rotund> rjek: *shrug* it just works for me =)
[04:14] <rjek> Is it how to spell "you" and use question marks? :)
[04:14] <mjg59> rjek: It provides an esd command
[04:15] <rjek> Sorry, that's one of the things that get up my wick.
[04:15] <xLobeznox> Rotund, I want to add to gnome screen configurator, a feature to detect screens and put cloned etc..
[04:15] <xLobeznox> and change configuration in real time
[04:15] <Rotund> rjek: yes, makes it's own esd
[04:15] <anir> join/#slackware
[04:16] <Rotund> xLobeznox: Have you looked at the RandR extension of X11?  That's what you use to change the resolution on the fly
[04:16] <Rotund> xLobeznox: You can even mess people up and flip the screen 90 degrees
[04:16] <anir> rjek i want to play music, watch movie and play games.. which linux distros i should use?
[04:16] <rjek> Any of them will let you, I should imagine.  It's just some of them take more effort than others.
[04:17] <rjek> And if Angband is the type of game you like playing, you're laughing.
[04:17] <stvn> heh
[04:17] <Rotund> xLobeznox: So, the answer is it's built in X, maybe... depends on if the extension is supported
[04:17] <xLobeznox> Rotund, I said to change configuration really, and add new screens, if you plug a monitor to vga output
[04:17] <anir> i am talking about half-life, warcraft..
[04:17] <xLobeznox> to detect it and put cloned or dualheaded
[04:17] <rjek> anir: I think you'll find Windows will work best for those.  Considering they're written for Windows.
[04:18] <Rotund> xLobeznox:  ahhh.  that's different.  I believe you have to kill and restart X
[04:18] <stvn> anir: as long as the game is supported by linux, it doesn't matter that much, if it isn't supported, well there's always windows
[04:18] <anir> okay.. so linux is  not for gaming
[04:18] <xLobeznox> anir, not really
[04:18] <anir> how about slakeware?
[04:18] <Rotund> anir: it's not bad
[04:18] <stvn> anir: not specifically, i have some games which work fine, but windows tend to be better in running windows programs
[04:18] <xf_> sure it is, just not the games you want to play
[04:18] <Rotund> Most FPS's are ported.  and WineX can do most others
[04:18] <Rotund> It's not great, but not BAD
[04:19] <stvn> indeed
[04:19] <Rotund> HalfLife 2 and World of Warcraft
[04:19] <anir> stvn what are the games u have in linux?
[04:19] <Rotund> They worked like 2 weeks later
[04:19] <stvn> anir: ATM only enemy territory, haven't much time to play nowadays
[04:19] <xLobeznox> anir, if you annoy game developers to annoy the company where they work to opensource they software, then you'll have games in gnu and bsd
[04:20] <stvn> xLobeznox: he better start with annoying ati/nvidia to get the hardware required ;)
[04:20] <stvn> +support
[04:20] <Rotund> nvidia's support is the same as Windows
[04:20] <anir> and about playing mp3s and mpeg4 files?? coz ubuntu is noty playing mpeg4 files
[04:20] <stvn> anir: it is possible
[04:21] <anir> stvn how?
[04:21] <stvn> read the wiki: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestictedFormats at the top of my head
[04:21] <Rotund> hell, nvidia builds both drivers from the same source
[04:21] <anir> yes it  does not support mpeg4 formats
[04:21] <stvn> you need to add support for mp3 and mpeg4, i can watch more movies in linux than in windows
[04:22] <anir> what support stvn
[04:22] <anir> which linux do u use stvn?
[04:22] <stvn> mplayer, avcodecs, w32codecs, stuff like that
[04:22] <hannu> I need help with my USB bus. It is not detected at all.
[04:22] <stvn> ubuntu, hence my presence in this channel
[04:22] <fsmw> hi all!, is there another way to configure a printer in ubuntu, i can't find the way to share a printer in gnome-cups-manager, and using cups server config via web is disabled
[04:22] <Rotund> anir you need to add a couple repositories
[04:23] <anir> rotund which ones???
[04:23] <stvn> anir: it's all written here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:23] <stvn> anir: check for the bit on DVDCSS/xvid/other legally questionable packages
[04:24] <fsmw> i need to share my printer to other ubuntu clients
[04:24] <stvn> anir: mplayer is your friend or otherwise totem-xine or gxine can be friendly as well, i watch everything in totem myself
[04:25] <rjek> Rotund: OK.  polypaudio.  How do you actually get it to listen on TCP?
[04:25] <Rotund> rjek: no clue =)
[04:25] <Rotund> I just know it does
[04:25] <Rotund> gotta run to work
[04:25] <rjek> Rotund: Running with -tcp -public -promiscuous doesn't, and I've changed its config file such that it loads the esound-tcp module.
[04:26] <Rotund> rjek: google for it and it should help
[04:26] <anir> anyone tried MEPIS
[04:27] <Palle> hello
[04:27] <anir>  anyone tried MEPIS
[04:27] <mmpf> not yet anir but i will soon
[04:27] <mmpf> have just installed ubuntu
[04:28] <anir> okay..anyone else??
[04:28] <anir> i need a feeback..
[04:28] <jam3s> anyone use ubuntu as server?
[04:28] <anir> i have seen the desktop .. it looks great
[04:29] <hannu> No experience with Mepis
[04:29] <Palle> what's the command to mount my / partition if i boot from a knoppix live cd?? and then reinstall GRUB??
[04:29] <hannu> But seriously. I really need to get the USB working. Device manager does not show it at all. What can I do?
[04:29] <Palle> i mean how to install grub
[04:30] <hannu> Does anybody here know anything about the USB or should I just file a bug?
[04:31] <Palle> nobody knows?
[04:31] <anir> someone knows..
[04:31] <anir> nut they are busy i guess palle
[04:32] <Palle> okey, well i don't have the time to w8 right now guess i'll have to experiment a little on my own... cya
[04:32] <anir> cool palle
[04:33] <anir> i cant play mp3 in ubuntu
[04:33] <rjek> That's because it doesn't have any MPEG Audio codecs installed by default.
[04:33] <jam3s> anir: me to
[04:34] <jam3s> me too
[04:34] <jam3s> i see
[04:34] <rjek> Read the FAQ on www.ubuntulinux.org - I seem to recall that tells you about it.
[04:34] <anir> can anyone help in this topic.. other than refering to wiki..
[04:35] <hannu> to get listening support to ubuntu you need to install gstreamer0.8-mad (AFAIR)
[04:36] <anir> i have installed hannu
[04:36] <hannu> and still nothing?
[04:36] <hannu> worked for me...
[04:36] <anir> no hannu
[04:36] <rjek> anir: What information doesn't the FAQ give you that you need?
[04:37] <anir> i mean i cant install xmss
[04:37] <rjek> Have you enabled the Universe depot in Synaptic?
[04:38] <anir> yes i have
[04:38] <rjek> Or is it Restricted?  I can never remember.
[04:38] <rjek> OK.  Have you clicked the "Reload" button?
[04:38] <EzeCuervo> hola
[04:39] <anir> yes rjek
[04:39] <rjek> anir: In a terminal window, type "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad"
[04:39] <rjek> It'll ask for your password.
[04:40] <anir> rjek how will i open a terminal window?
[04:40] <rjek> anir: Right click on the desktop, and click on "Open Terminal"
[04:43] <rjek> anir: Any joy?
[04:43] <huttan> anyone here familiar with building kernels on fast systems with HT and such?
[04:43] <anir> well its not talking my password
[04:43] <rjek> Yes.
[04:44] <rjek> anir: You're likely to be mistyping it, then.
[04:44] <rjek> huttan: What specifically do you want to know?
[04:44] <huttan> rjek, ever had problems with the system running slow ?
[04:44] <rjek> huttan: What, while you're building it, or when running the kernel you've built?
[04:44] <rjek> I just enabled SMP, and used a version of the kernel that understood the HT siblings.
[04:45] <rjek> (I think any 2.6 kernel does.)
[04:45] <huttan> rjek, the kernel i made myself, it should really have anything i need, but my whole system is running really slow, like it's going at 30% or something
[04:45] <rjek> And it works a treat.
[04:45] <rjek> huttan: Are the virtual CPUs actually being used?
[04:45] <huttan> rjek, im trying 2.6.7 now, 2.6.9 has failed like 20 kernels now
[04:45] <huttan> rjek, yeah..it's using booth the cpus
[04:45] <rjek> When the kernel boots on my machine, I get this:
[04:46] <huttan> rjek, but something is really messed up, it's going very slow
[04:46] <zenwhen> HT works great for me in Linux.
[04:46] <sjoerd> huttan: the standard ubuntu smp kernel should just work (tm)
[04:46] <rjek> Total of 4 processors activated (19228.26 BogoMIPS).
[04:46] <rjek> cpu_sibling_map[0]  = 1
[04:46] <rjek> cpu_sibling_map[1]  = 0
[04:46] <rjek> cpu_sibling_map[2]  = 3
[04:46] <rjek> cpu_sibling_map[3]  = 2
[04:46] <huttan> rjek, i have nothing like that
[04:46] <rjek> Hmm, I suspect that the kernel doesn't know about the HT then.
[04:47] <rjek> Can you do a uname -a, and paste it for me?
[04:47] <huttan> Linux huttan 2.6.9 #1 SMP Sat Dec 18 13:52:28 CET 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:47] <sjoerd> huttan: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep siblings
[04:47] <anir> rjek i typed the password wrong now nothing is taking ..what do i do?
[04:47] <huttan> siblings	: 2
[04:47] <huttan> siblings	: 2
[04:48] <sjoerd> huttan: looks ok
[04:48] <rjek> anir: Give up? :)
[04:48] <huttan> sjoerd, where do i get the standard smp kernel?
[04:48] <huttan> maybe i can compare some things
[04:48] <rjek> kernel-image-2.6-686-smp seems to be a good choice.
[04:48] <sjoerd> huttan: just install a -smp kernel package
[04:49] <anir> no i dont  want to rjek
[04:49] <rjek> anir: OK.  Close that terminal window you opened.  Open a new one.  Do "apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad" again, but type your password in right this time.
[04:52] <anir> its not asking fot password..
[04:54] <anir> rjek: its giving  couldnot get lock/var/lib/dpkg/lock
[04:54] <rjek> anir: That's because you're missing the "sudo" bit.
[04:55] <rjek> Does it mention something about you not being root?
[04:55] <rjek> Also make sure you're not running synaptic elsewhere.
[04:56] <anir> do i have to give the codes '   ' ?
[04:56] <Quest-Master> hehe
[05:01] <Quest-Master> Noooooooo
[05:01] <Quest-Master> My apt-get is broken again
[05:02] <mmpf> is kde working on ubuntu?
[05:03] <anir> rjek u there?
[05:03] <anir> rjek: i typed and it says that its already installed
[05:03] <rjek> anir: "you", and yes.
[05:03] <mmpf> has someone kde running?
[05:03] <rjek> anir: There you go, then.
[05:03] <anir> so what next?
[05:03] <rjek> You go off and play MP3s.
[05:04] <rjek> Normally with either Totem or the shockingly dire RhythmBox.
[05:04] <anir> i cant install xmss rjek
[05:04] <rjek> Do you mean xmms?
[05:04] <bur[n] er> get beep-media-player
[05:04] <bur[n] er> it's gtk2
[05:04] <bur[n] er> fits better than xmms
[05:04] <anir> yes xmms rjrk
[05:04] <Quest-Master> exactly what i was about to say
[05:04] <Quest-Master> ;)
[05:05] <anir> yes rjek..xmss
[05:05] <rjek> but gmp leaks memory like a seive, and doesn't have as many input modules as XMMS.
[05:05] <rjek> anir: What does it say when you try to do "apt-get install xmms" ?
[05:05] <anir> does exit
[05:06] <anir> it does not exit rjek
[05:06] <rjek> exit?
[05:06] <bur[n] er> rjek: bmp?  what input module do you need?
[05:06] <rjek> bur[n] er: Last time I checked, it lacked a FLAC one, for a start.
[05:06] <bur[n] er> guess i don't know about hte memleaks, i haven't checked that out
[05:06] <anir> rjek do i have to install gxmms too??
[05:06] <rjek> anir: No.
[05:07] <bur[n] er> hrm... you're right... no flac :\
[05:07] <rjek> And for certain things, MP3 and Ogg Vorbis just suck.
[05:07] <bur[n] er> it doesn't have shn either :\
[05:07] <bur[n] er> just noticed
[05:07] <anir> what plug-ins i should install rjek?
[05:08] <rjek> anir: Which ever ones you like.
[05:09] <anir> okay i am installing now.. let me see if it plays.. rjek
[05:10] <anir> and what about games.. like delta force.. can i play it in ubuntu rjek?
[05:10] <rjek> I imagine it's only slightly more likely to work as expecting to run XBox games on a Playstation.
[05:11] <anir> i didnt get u rjek
[05:11] <rjek> "you"
[05:11] <rjek> Expecting Linux to play Windows games well is like expecting a PlayStation to play XBox games.
[05:12] <anir> okay.. so is there any linux game?
[05:12] <rjek> A couple.
[05:12] <bur[n] er> except... you can play windows games on linux
[05:12] <bur[n] er> it's called cedega
[05:12] <huttan> anir, you can get a windows emulator like cedega to play win games in linux
[05:12] <bur[n] er> wine may work too
[05:12] <rjek> bur[n] er: Not especially well, it's a pain in the arse to set up, and most modern games you've got to cough up for a piece of software to do it.
[05:13] <rjek> It's much easier to just reboot into Windows most of the time. :)
[05:13] <anir> what about WINE huttan
[05:13] <huttan> anir, i found out that cedega works much better
[05:13] <anir> but the thing is that i cant install it in linux
[05:13] <huttan> anir, you cant install what in linux ?
[05:13] <rjek> anir: There are some native Linux ports of games.  Like Doom 3 and Return To Castle Wolfenstien.  There are plenty of "free" games too, but none are especially graphically stunning.
[05:14] <huttan> tuxracer xjump :)
[05:14] <huttan> rjek, 2.6.7 seems to be running alot faster than 2.6.9 did, maybe it's a bug in 2.6.9
[05:15] <rjek> huttan: Hmm, perhaps.
[05:15] <bur[n] er> rjek: cedega works really well for my starcraft :)
[05:15] <bur[n] er> and i can't reboot to windows ;)
[05:15] <bur[n] er> i have no windows
[05:16] <rjek> bur[n] er: But cedega costs almost as much as an OEM version of Windows. :)
[05:16] <rjek> huttan: I use 2.4.22 on my Xeon/HT box. :)
[05:16] <bur[n] er> are you kidding?
[05:16] <rjek> No.
[05:16] <anir> bur[n] er i dont know how to install my windows games in linux as it does not run automatically and when i click on the setup file it gives error message
[05:16] <huttan> rjek, maybe i should try a 2.4 kernel
[05:16] <bur[n] er> anir: cedega setup.exe
[05:16] <bur[n] er> or 'wine setup.exe'
[05:16] <JanC> if anyone here is against (unlimited) software patents, you can sign this open letter (read it first! ;)
[05:16] <JanC> http://demo.ffii.org/support.php
[05:17] <huttan> cedega costs money?
[05:17] <bur[n] er> Sign up for a TransGaming subscription at 5 USD, 5 EUR, or 3 GBP per month, with a minimum three-month payment
[05:17] <bur[n] er> $15
[05:17] <bur[n] er> not a ton
[05:17] <rjek> Allowing software patents is consistant with the rest of patent law.  The problem isn't allowing software to be patented, but the whole of patent law in general.
[05:17] <huttan> funny
[05:17] <bur[n] er> not even close to windows OEM
[05:18] <huttan> i just searched for cedega on google and downloaded it
[05:18] <huttan> never knew it wasnt free
[05:18] <rjek> bur[n] er: Shrug, my local computer shop'll sell you a copy of Windows OEM for about 10UKP.  (Assuming you've bought something else... like a patch lead.)
[05:18] <bur[n] er> eh, they're a good company, and they don't ask much... i'm about supporting them
[05:18] <bur[n] er> to each their own
[05:19] <rjek> FreeCiv and Gnocatan is all you need, anyway :)
[05:19] <anir> ??
[05:20] <rjek> !!
[05:21] <rjek> http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php
[05:21] <Tomcat_> Wah.
[05:21] <rjek> bur[n] er: Euch.
[05:21] <rjek> Evolution works OK.
[05:22] <anir> guys i am from India..
[05:22] <anir> so its a bit difficult to pay in $ for me from here
[05:22] <bur[n] er> it does... however... it doesn't handly winmail.dat attachments which my company depends on sadly :\
[05:23] <bur[n] er> we don't want to buy an exchange server
[05:23] <bur[n] er> there are no alternatives
[05:23] <rjek> Buy Crossover Office, then.
[05:23] <moriddin2> hi, could anyone help me with configuring the internet on ubuntu?
[05:23] <moriddin2> im new to ubuntu.. first time
[05:23] <bur[n] er> rjek: i'm thinking about it
[05:23] <bur[n] er> i want to test it out first...
[05:23] <moriddin2> (im using my other computer that has windows on it)
[05:23] <bur[n] er> it says outlook has only a bronze rating...
[05:23] <orospakr> bur[n] er, I run a exim4 perl filter that converts all the TNEF winmail.dat thingies on incoming mail on our MTA.
[05:23] <bur[n] er> maybe it won't be usabel for me
[05:23] <bur[n] er> i signed up and am hoping to get a link to a trial
[05:23] <anir> its really easy moriddin2
[05:24] <moriddin2> yes, anir?
[05:24] <moriddin2> well you see, thing is im using a router
[05:24] <moriddin2> and i have no clue how to configure it
[05:24] <moriddin2> with winxp, i only install windows and it auto detects it by itself and everything works
[05:24] <moriddin2> so i dont know how to configure
[05:24] <anir> u click on computers>system configuration>networking moriddin2
[05:25] <moriddin2> yeah but after im there i dont know what to do
[05:26] <anir> give your ip address
[05:27] <anir> moriddin2 click on add
[05:28] <bur[n] er> moriddin2: if you have a router... it's probably dhcp
[05:28] <bur[n] er> are you using wireless?
[05:28] <bur[n] er> internet access is usually automatic
[05:29] <anir> bur[n] er can i install my tv card on ubuntu?
[05:29] <moriddin2> burner: im not using wireless
[05:31] <moriddin2> its not working.. i tried dhcp (automatic)
[05:31] <moriddin2> and it doesnt work :(
[05:31] <DoktorTomoe> Does anbody know how to compile the GIMP with Ubuntu Hoary?
[05:32] <bur[n] er> anir: why not?
[05:32] <bur[n] er> moriddin2: what do you get when you type "ifconfig"
[05:32] <bur[n] er> see an ip?
[05:32] <anir> bur[n] er can u tell me how?
[05:32] <bur[n] er> anir: plug it in your agp or pci slot ;)
[05:33] <anir> yes i have done bur[n] er
[05:33] <anir> then how will i install the software..again wine bur[n] er
[05:34] <nyk> how can i set energy settings after install?
[05:34] <Nidhoggr> is it possible to install ubuntu on my 12" powerbook without messing with my os x install?
[05:35] <xLobeznox> Nidhoggr, is posible, as posible as installing any debian with osx
[05:36] <xLobeznox> Hostname: wildness - OS: Linux 2.6.8-powerpc/ppc - CPU: IBM PowerPC G3 750FX (900MHz) - Processes: 121 - Uptime: 2h 33m - Load Average: 0.77 - Memory Usage: 206.06MB/376.73MB (54.70%) - Disk Usage: 30.88GB/36.98GB (83.50%)
[05:36] <anir> sometimes i get sick with it..lol
[05:37] <anir> bur[n] er i have been trying from yesterday to install the tv card
[05:37] <Nidhoggr> xLobeznox: I haven't attempted anything but OS X on my powerbook.  I wanted to check out ubuntu, because I'm thinking of using it on my home fileserver.
[05:37] <DoktorTomoe> anyone can help with a compile problem (system seems not to like sh)?
[05:37] <convertor> xLobeznox, is that an old powerbook?
[05:37] <moriddin> now ubuntu working...
[05:37] <xLobeznox> convertor, is an iBook G3 12"
[05:37] <anir> bur[n] er what about DirectX??
[05:37] <moriddin> can i run windoes from here?
[05:38] <xLobeznox> windows?
[05:38] <moriddin> windows..
[05:38] <xLobeznox> :_D
[05:38] <convertor> xLobeznox, cool - runs ubuntu well?
[05:39] <bur[n] er> anir: what about it?
[05:39] <nyk> anyone know anything about energy settings? like spinning a disk down, suspending a machine when its not in use.. etc
[05:39] <moriddin> guys, is there a possibility to run windows through ubuntu?
[05:39] <anir> bur[n] er how will i install the software to run the tv card??
[05:40] <bur[n] er> moriddin: possibly with qemu ??  or uhh... virtualpc or something?
[05:40] <Qerub> moriddin: qemu, vmware, wine, win4lin
[05:40] <moriddin> where i can find those?
[05:40] <bur[n] er> google ;)
[05:40] <Qerub> moriddin: qemu and wine are probably in universe
[05:40] <moriddin> 10x
[05:41] <bur[n] er> moriddin: why though?
[05:41] <xLobeznox> convertor, yes, but I use debian sarge, not ubuntu
[05:41] <Qerub> moriddin: vmware and win4lin are not free (neither as in beer or speech)
[05:41] <xLobeznox> convertor, I tried ubuntu not many time ago, but I have more software here ;)
[05:42] <moriddin> if im programming in asp can i run a server on my ubuntu?
[05:45] <anir> bur[n] er its playing my mp3..thank you
[05:45] <pisuke> moriddin, in ubuntu php
[05:45] <anir> bur[n] er: now i want to play movie... what do i have to do??
[05:46] <bur[n] er> totem
[05:47] <pisuke> moriddin, or maybe try the asp.net that comes with mono (don't know how it performs or complete it is)
[05:47] <convertor> xLobeznox, yea cool -fair enough....
[05:48] <anir> bur[n] er totem does not play mu mpeg4  movies.. do i need any plugins?
[05:49] <moriddin> pisuke: thanks.
[05:49] <DoktorTomoe> ok. what does "bad interpreter" mean exactly?
[05:49] <DoktorTomoe> ok. what does "bad interpreter" mean exactly?
[05:49] <moriddin> guys, this "qemu" thing, how can i use it to run windows?
[05:49] <moriddin> im really new at this..
[05:49] <bur[n] er> anir: apt-get install totem-xine
[05:49] <rjek> Have you read its manual?
[05:49] <bur[n] er> you may have to add universe to your sources.list
[05:49] <bur[n] er> i forget
[05:50] <bur[n] er> i'm a debian user at heart, so i've done all kindsa tweakin
[05:50] <Shinjan> hi
[05:52] <anir> bur[n] er is a good teacher :)
[05:53] <bur[n] er> thanks, i do what i can ;)
[05:53] <bur[n] er> now to find xbox patches for freevo
[05:53] <bur[n] er> bbiab
[05:56] <moriddin> guys could someone help me run licq?
[05:56] <moriddin> it tells me i need to install the licq daemon? whats that?
[05:58] <bur[n] er> licq daemon?
[05:58] <bur[n] er> why not just use gaim?
[06:00] <Shinjan> gaim is cool
[06:01] <anir> what is licq?
[06:01] <anir> i know only icq..is it similar??
[06:01] <moriddin> burner... i want to connect to my icq ive been using up till now for the past 10 years
[06:02] <moriddin> yes, licq is for linux OS
[06:02] <moriddin> i understood you cant run windows files through linux OS, you need a package or something
[06:03] <jdub> moriddin: use gaim, it's installed in ubuntu by default
[06:03] <Shinjan> yeah
[06:03] <Shinjan> and easy to use
[06:03] <Shinjan> try it
[06:03] <anir> i use gai,
[06:04] <anir> gaim..its good
[06:04] <anir> use it
[06:04] <anir> yes its installed by default
[06:04] <moriddin> is gaim like icQ?
[06:04] <moriddin> i mean can i connect to icq with it?
[06:05] <moriddin> to my old account?
[06:05] <Shinjan> yes
[06:05] <moriddin> oh cool
[06:05] <Shinjan> u need your icq number and password
[06:05] <Shinjan> thats all
[06:06] <moriddin> heh thanks
[06:06] <moriddin> works :))
[06:06] <anir> if u use gaim u can access to all your account at the same time.. moriddin
[06:07] <moriddin> okay thanks
[06:07] <moriddin> guys could you please explain to me how to run windows through qemu?
[06:11] <convertor> anir, can gaim encript?
[06:12] <anir> u try it.. i have not tried.. i have installed ubuntu yesterday only
[06:13] <convertor> cant see any config for it....anyone know?
[06:17] <bar_`> I have windows xp installed, will ubnutu identify my windows partition and keep it out of harm?
[06:17] <bar_`> or even better, allocate its own free space out of windows's D:\ or something?
[06:17] <anir> yes bar_
[06:18] <bar_`> anir; will ubuntu allocate space from a given windows drive?
[06:18] <anir> while installing??
[06:19] <bar_`> yah
[06:19] <anir> ask bur[n] er
[06:21] <Saleop> how long does it usually take to ship? i ordered 5 CDs.
[06:21] <anir> bur[n] er when i try to play movie it says there is no plugin to play the movie????
[06:22] <anir> bur[n] er what do i do??
[06:23] <anir> bur[n] er: you there??
[06:25] <bur[n] er> yo
[06:25] <bur[n] er> what's up?
[06:26] <bur[n] er> u get totem-xine?
[06:26] <anir> bur[n] er when i try to play movie from cd it says there is no plugin to play the movie
[06:26] <anir> bur[n] er yes i downloaded it
[06:26] <bur[n] er> one sec
[06:27] <nyk> if i get totem-xine, will it overwrite the totem that comes with it already?
[06:27] <bur[n] er> yes
[06:28] <nyk> you talkin to me burner?
[06:28] <bur[n] er> yes
[06:28] <Nick_Jacked>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY aikido
[06:28] <nyk> was THAT to me too?
[06:28] <nyk> hehehehehe
[06:29] <anir> yes nyk  for both of us..;)
[06:29] <bur[n] er> nyk: yes
[06:29] <nyk> thanx
[06:29] <anir> bur[n] er now what do i do?
[06:29] <bur[n] er> anir: you got totem-xine?
[06:29] <Nick_Jacked> Anyone know how to disable individual sound events?
[06:29] <bur[n] er> and it doesn't work?
[06:30] <Quest-Master> Anyone? My apt-get is broken as well as synaptic-- http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8715
[06:30] <bur[n] er> man, i just wanna smoke a bowl
[06:30] <bur[n] er> why do people keep buggin me ;)
[06:30] <anir> bur[n] eryes i got
[06:30] <anir> bur[n] er i am so sorry..
[06:30] <bur[n] er> what kinda codec does that video use anir ?
[06:30] <jdub> Quest-Master: see how it says 'apt-get -f install'? have you actually done that?
[06:31] <anir> bur[n] er codec? its mpg file
[06:31] <bur[n] er> anir: can you play it with vlc?
[06:33] <anir> i have not tried it..
[06:33] <Quest-Master> jdub: I said in that post that I already did.. I also posted the errors returned after doing that
[06:33] <anir> bur[n] er:vlc.. i will download it
[06:33] <jdub> Quest-Master: didn't appear in that page.
[06:34] <anir> bur[n] er: the file has a .dat extension
[06:34] <Quest-Master> ".. I tried sudo apt-get -f install, AND I tried Fix All Broken Packages in Synaptic, and they both continuously return these errors.."
[06:35] <bur[n] er> anir: that's a vcd format usually
[06:35] <anir> bur[n] er: so vlc should work??
[06:38] <xevil> moriddin: Quest-Master what errors are you getting?
[06:38] <xevil> oops
[06:38] <xevil> Quest-Master: what errors are you getting
[06:40] <Quest-Master> xevil: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8715
[06:43] <b_52globemaster> hello
[06:43] <bur[n] er> anir: worth a shot
[06:43] <bur[n] er> i can play .dat vcds with totem
[06:43] <bur[n] er> iirc
[06:43] <bur[n] er> it's been awhile since i've seen one of those
[06:43] <nyk> i like vlc, i wish i could make it my default media player
[06:44] <anir> bur[n] er: hmm then i dont know why i am having the problem..what do u use?
[06:44] <bur[n] er> totem
[06:45] <anir> bur[n] er: do u have any extra plugins??
[06:45] <will> nyk: thats easy!
[06:45] <bur[n] er> anir: seems like it doesn't play with totem
[06:45] <bur[n] er> according to a mailing list
[06:45] <bur[n] er> but... try vlc
[06:45] <bur[n] er> vlc can do most anything
[06:46] <anir> i am installing bur[n] er
[06:47] <bur[n] er> let me know if it works
[06:47] <xevil> Quest-Master: well I know offhand that liblame0 and libavcodec2 aren't in any of the warty repositories...
[06:47] <Quest-Master> There was a command to fix it though
[06:47] <Quest-Master> I remember
[06:48] <xevil> Quest-Master: just unmark mplayer and it should quit bitching
[06:48] <bur[n] er> uninstall mozilla-mplayer? ;)
[06:49] <Quest-Master> I need to be able to play Quicktime and MP3 stuff inline with Firefox though
[06:49] <Quest-Master> ;_;
[06:50] <bur[n] er> Quest-Master: try the vlc plugin?  i dunno... never tried it myself
[06:50] <nyk> is there a command i can issue that shows what totem i have?
[06:50] <xevil> lame has some liscencensing issues as will not be in the repository
[06:51] <crimsun> nyk: dpkg -l totem|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'
[06:51] <crimsun> nyk: that prints the version
[06:51] <anir> bur[n] er what plugins you use with totem??
[06:51] <Quest-Master> I'll try mozplugger..
[06:51] <rasputin> do anyone know a mplayer binary package for ubuntu?
[06:52] <rasputin> tired of compiling sources :/
[06:52] <rasputin> oh.. found one myself
[06:52] <rasputin> ubuntu roxx
[06:52] <anir> roxx
[06:52] <nyk> prints it where?
[06:53] <anir> rasputtin what does roxx do?
[06:53] <anir> rasputin: what does roxx do?
[06:53] <nyk> i think he means ubuntu rocks
[06:53] <anir> oops..:)
[06:56] <anir> does linux stores cokies like windows??
[06:57] <pepsi> heh
[06:57] <crimsun> do you mean to ask if applications store cookies?
[06:57] <bur[n] er> Quest-Master: use hte vlc mozilla plugin
[06:57] <bur[n] er> it works well :)
[06:57] <crimsun> mozilla-firefox, opera, etc. do, yes.
[06:57] <anir> yes crimsun
[06:57] <crimsun> of course they're all highly configurable
[06:57] <anir> okay..how do i clean them crimsun
[06:57] <crimsun> but Linux itself (the kernel) does not care about cookies
[06:57] <crimsun> you Delete Cookies
[06:58] <anir> i did some ..while working in windows..
[06:58] <pepsi> whorey
[06:58] <anir> lol pepsi
[06:58] <bur[n] er> anir: in firefox... edit, preferences, privacy
[06:59] <anir> pepsi where are you  from?
[06:59] <anir> bur[n] er thank you
[06:59] <bur[n] er> sure... u don't use firefox on windows too?
[06:59] <pepsi> chicago, but im in california
[06:59] <bur[n] er> 40% of the hits on my site are from firefox users
[07:00] <anir> bur[n] er what is your site??
[07:00] <anir> bur[n] erwhich OS u r using?
[07:00] <xevil> Quest-Master: http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[07:00] <Palle> hmmm, isn't "grub-install /dev/hd**" the right command to install grub???
[07:01] <Palle> Palle:
[07:01] <bur[n] er> anir: you're kidding?
[07:01] <bur[n] er> about the OS
[07:01] <bur[n] er> the site is just my blog
[07:01] <bur[n] er> nothing special
[07:02] <anir> bur[n] er i could not install tv  card on my system
[07:02] <bur[n] er> why not?
[07:02] <bur[n] er> i had an all in wonder working
[07:02] <bur[n] er> brb
[07:02] <anir> bur[n] er: i dont know.. nothing is coming.. which software should i use?
[07:03] <jbroome> xawtv?
[07:04] <bur[n] er> apt-cache search tv :)
[07:04] <bur[n] er> anir: googling works well too
[07:04] <bur[n] er> i use kde on the machine with the all in wonder
[07:04] <bur[n] er> i use ktv
[07:04] <bur[n] er> but... i'm sure there's a gnome app
[07:05] <bur[n] er> anir: apt-cache search gnome tv
[07:05] <bur[n] er> you'll find one
[07:06] <anir> how can ui switch to kde?
[07:06] <anir> bur[n] er do u use ubuntu?
[07:06] <Qerub> anir: add universe to sources.list and apt-get install kde-core
[07:07] <Qerub> anir: after apt-get update:ing of course.
[07:07] <anir> whats the size? qerub
[07:08] <bur[n] er> anir: i use ubuntu on my laptop
[07:08] <bur[n] er> and a different distro on my desktop
[07:08] <Qerub> anir: no idea, try and see.
[07:08] <bur[n] er> anir: why get kde though
[07:08] <bur[n] er> just stick with gnome
[07:08] <Qerub> because kde rocks :-)
[07:08] <bur[n] er> to something you know
[07:08] <bur[n] er> kde is ok
[07:08] <bur[n] er> i like gtk based apps heaps better
[07:09] <bur[n] er> although glade leaves somethign to be desired
[07:09] <bur[n] er> there's also mythtv and freevo
[07:09] <bur[n] er> those are cool projects
[07:10] <anir> bur[n] er: but u use kde?
[07:11] <anir> qerub: do u have any approximate idea what is the download size?
[07:11] <Palle> How do i install Grub??? or lilo??
[07:11] <Qerub> anir: i'd guess ~70 mb.
[07:12] <anir> bur[n] er: what is that other distro? which one u like most?
[07:12] <trukulo> palle: sudo aptitude install grub
[07:12] <trukulo> man grub
[07:12] <Palle> okay thnx trukulo
[07:12] <Ed_Gein> Anyone using Nvidia 6629 with kernel 2.6.8?
 palle: sudo aptitude install grub
 man grub
[07:13] <tvon|x31> don't think you can Ed_Gein
[07:13] <anir> qureb are you sure its update:ing
[07:13] <tvon|x31> I believe 6629 is the latest driver which as packaged in Hoary requires 2.6.9 (which is in hoary)
[07:13] <Ed_Gein> tvon|x31:thanks, thats what I was afraid of
[07:13] <tvon|x31> There were a lot of issues with it initially, I ended up finking out and installing the official Nvidia driver
[07:14] <tvon|x31> might be fixed now
[07:14] <Ed_Gein> I'll hold off
[07:17] <anir> qureb: do i need to do any more configuration after converting to  KDE
[07:18] <bur[n] er> anir: i like ubuntu a lot
[07:18] <anir> i love it too bur[n] er
[07:18] <bur[n] er> anir: a lot more to switch to kde
[07:18] <anir> bur[n] er can u plz explain..
[07:18] <bur[n] er> i wish my centrino was better supported... but other than that.. it's good
[07:18] <bur[n] er> bur[n] er: kde is a whole different window manager/desktop environment
[07:19] <bur[n] er> very different from gnome
[07:19] <anir> bur[n] er one more thing.. how is centrino??
[07:19] <anir> i want to buy a laptop.
[07:19] <bur[n] er> whatcha mean
[07:19] <bur[n] er> it's ok
[07:19] <bur[n] er> it's just a marketing thing though
[07:20] <anir> hows different from pentium? bur[n] er
[07:20] <bur[n] er> just means a scalable processor and the intel 2100/2200 wireless mini pci card
[07:20] <anir> bur[n] er: oh not so great ..
[07:20] <bur[n] er> pentium m
[07:20] <bur[n] er> battery life rules
[07:20] <anir> bur[n] er pentiun $
[07:20] <anir> 4
[07:21] <bur[n] er> the wireless connection works with linux ok...
[07:21] <bur[n] er> but with all distro's i've ever tried, i have to "rmmod ipw2100; modprobe ipw2100" for it to work
[07:21] <bur[n] er> on every boot
[07:21] <anir> well if i switch to KDE..is it fine bur[n] er
[07:21] <lkerscher> hi@all
[07:22] <lkerscher> how can i install other programms like galeon on ubuntu?
[07:23] <bur[n] er> anir: it's not officially ubuntu supported
[07:23] <bur[n] er> it's just debian packages of kde
[07:23] <bur[n] er> only thing i use kde really is k3b
[07:23] <bur[n] er> and konqueror
[07:23] <anir> bur[n] er: so its better if i stick to it
[07:25] <bur[n] er> better is a relative term ;)
[07:25] <tpdd> hello my install fails at the grub setup, the system dosent have a floppy and it seems that the installer sees that but the grub install just hangs
[07:25] <bur[n] er> tpdd: can you boot a livecd and install grub that way?
[07:26] <Qerub> anir: it's qerub, not anything else. and no, you won't need to configure much.
[07:26] <Qerub> anir: apt-get update; apt-get install kde-core
[07:26] <qatlog> Hi all! I know I should proberly read some more information before posting this question, but I am gonna do it anyway. Is there a tool like apt or yum on ubuntu?
[07:26] <Qerub> qatlog: apt
[07:26] <anir> bur[n] er: i have install vlc and it seems it has no mood of playing my cd
[07:26] <Qerub> qatlog: ubuntu is a debian derivate
[07:26] <tpdd> burner: havent tried, didnt think if that would make a difference.  can i continue with the install after that?
[07:27] <qatlog> Qerub: ah I see :-) I just read about ubuntu and I though I would go here to ask.
[07:27] <anir> qerub: will kde spport ubuntu??
[07:27] <Qerub> anir: it's rather a question of the opposite.
[07:28] <Qerub> anir: i heard some talk about "kubuntu" and putting kde into main, but i don't know yet.
[07:28] <bur[n] er> tpdd: can you?
[07:28] <Qerub> qatlog: take a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ :-)
[07:29] <anir> qerub: yes..its the other way..lol
[07:29] <bur[n] er> anir: dunno what to say then
[07:29] <Qerub> anir: but ubuntu will always be gnome centric.
[07:29] <tpdd> bur[n] er: i dont have the live cd but i can grab it fairly quick.  Then i will give it a try
[07:29] <anir> guys help meeeeeee
[07:29] <superted> Cedega is the new WineX?
[07:30] <bur[n] er> superted: yes
[07:30] <qatlog> Qerub: I am there now reading :-) Thanks!
[07:30] <oak> bur[n] er, is it possible for you to add something to /etc/modprobe.d ?
[07:30] <dsoft> hiya
[07:30] <dsoft> can anyone remind me the name of the xf86 config command?
[07:30] <anir> i tried totem .. i tried vlc.. but i cant play my cds on ubuntu...why??
[07:30] <anir> who has coded ubuntu??
[07:30] <lkerscher> bur[n] er, galeon isn't kde
[07:30] <lkerscher> or?
[07:30] <davyd> anir: you probably need something that can do digital CD playback
[07:31] <Shinjan> its gnome
[07:31] <davyd> the gnome CD player program doesn't
[07:31] <anir> davyd : what should i do?
[07:31] <davyd> anir: you need a program like goobox
[07:31] <anir> goobox..
[07:31] <bur[n] er> anir: last hope is mplayer
[07:31] <davyd> or the developmental version of sound juicer
[07:31] <lkerscher> Shinjan, okay where can i get it
[07:31] <dsoft> anyone knows the command for the xf86config (to change the refresh rate resolution)
[07:31] <lkerscher> i prefer an apt server :)
[07:32] <anir> davyd: where will i find goobox?
[07:32] <davyd> anir: not sure if Ubuntu has it packaged...
[07:32] <bur[n] er> oak: to /etc/modprobe.d???
[07:32] <bur[n] er> oh, he left
[07:32] <anir> bur[n] er: where is mplayer?
[07:32] <bur[n] er> lkerscher: galeon?  wtf?
[07:32] <davyd> anir: hmm, appears they do
[07:32] <bur[n] er> anir: apt-cache search mplayer
[07:32] <davyd> anir: use synaptic to search for goobox, then install
[07:32] <anir> oh. ubuntu.. u r letting me down
[07:32] <bur[n] er> c'mon man ;)
[07:33] <daniels> mplayer is in universe (maybe multiverse)
[07:33] <Qerub> dsoft: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:33] <anir> i have searched davyd.. its not there
[07:33] <DigiKill> Question: anyone have/had Synamptic stop listing packages?  i installed some Debian docs/packages and now Synaptic shows nothing :S
[07:33] <davyd> anir: oh wait, you need universe turned on
[07:33] <anir> ya its turned on davyd
[07:34] <davyd> anir: crazy... I have it
[07:34] <ogra> anir: for mplayer you need a enabled multiverse or the marillat repository
[07:34] <bur[n] er> wtf will goobox do?  i thought anir wanted to play vcds?
[07:34] <bur[n] er> goobox is a cd ripper
[07:34] <davyd> bur[n] er: oh does he?
[07:34] <davyd> I thought he wanted Audio CDs
[07:34] <anir> yes i want to play vcds
[07:34] <davyd> ok then ignore me
[07:34] <anir> i can play audio with xmms
[07:34] <davyd> totem should be able to do it, I recommend using totem-xine and the w32codecs
[07:35] <davyd> information on getting those is in the wiki
[07:35] <mvo__> DigiKill: do you run warty on a powerpc?
[07:35] <anir> davyd : what is for vcds.. i have tried totem and vlc
[07:35] <DigiKill> yes mvo__
[07:35] <davyd> anir: totem has played the single vcd I own just fine
[07:35] <bur[n] er> w32codecs!!
[07:35] <bur[n] er> that might be missing ;)
[07:35] <davyd> anir: I imagine the issue is going to be codecs
[07:35] <davyd> hence installing w32codecs usually helps
[07:35] <bur[n] er> i just told him totem-xine ;)
[07:36] <anir> davyd: ya it says the required plugin to play the movie is not there
[07:36] <davyd> along with the totem-xine package, to make use of them
[07:36] <davyd> anir: mmm, that sounds a lot like a missing codec
[07:36] <mvo__> DigiKill: it's a known bug in warty, use the package in http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mvo/synaptic/warty/
[07:36] <DigiKill> mvo__: is that a common thing w. PPC Ubuntu?  ahhh.....TY mvo__
[07:36] <mvo__> and remove /root/.synaptic/synaptic.conf
[07:36] <davyd> the w32codecs aren't allowed to be shipped with Ubuntu, you have to install them by your own choice
[07:37] <anir> davyd: how can i?
[07:37] <bur[n] er> anir: apt-get install w32codecs :)
[07:37] <bur[n] er> or use synaptic
[07:37] <bur[n] er> anir: get familiar with synaptic
[07:37] <ogra> anir: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:37] <trukulo> better use aptitude
[07:37] <davyd> man, we have too many tools
[07:37] <davyd> no wonder it's all so confusing
[07:37] <zloy> hello. I've been using Ubuntu more than month without any problems. Today after normal boot (no any error messages) I can't got any sound. I have x86 with integrated soundcard AC'97
[07:38] <bur[n] er> i think synaptic is the preferred n00b method
[07:38] <anir> apt-get install w32codecs :)
[07:38] <anir> <bur[n] er> or use synapti: its not in the synaptic
[07:38] <Qerub> mvo__: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mvo/synaptic-experimental-dpkg-install-progress.png <- does that analyze the output of dpkg or are you working on any kind of libdpkg?
[07:38] <bur[n] er> zloy: turn up the volume ;)
[07:38] <DigiKill> mvo__: could i inquire where you found that info?
[07:38] <mvo__> Qerub: yes
[07:38] <davyd> hmm, I should add the magic to the wiki to use the marillat sources with hoary
[07:38] <bur[n] er> anir: u have universe in your sources.list?
[07:38] <ogra> lol
[07:39] <mvo__> DigiKill: the info about the powerpc problem?
[07:39] <anir> bur[n] er: yes
[07:39] <tpdd> bur[n] er: i can run grub-install in the live cd and off knoppix but then I cant get the install to continue on the next boot.  Does ubuntu have a no-floppy flag somewhere to make it not even look for a floppy
[07:39] <DigiKill> mvo__: yes please
[07:39] <mvo__> DigiKill: I broke it ... ;)
[07:39] <anir> davyd: i am sick of the restricted formats..
[07:39] <bur[n] er> tpdd: i honestly have no idea.. i installed it once, and it was ages ago
[07:39] <DigiKill> cool...another ppc user on ubuntu...lol
[07:40] <bur[n] er> anir: check that wiki page that davyd linked too
[07:40] <bur[n] er> you need another deb repository
[07:40] <DigiKill> mvo__: did you use the .deb package i'd guess?
[07:40] <davyd> anir: it sucks, one day it will be solved
[07:40] <davyd> although the solution will cost money
[07:40] <davyd> since they formats will technically have to be licensed
[07:40] <anir> money?? why?
[07:40] <bur[n] er> or... people could not use shitty formats ;)
[07:41] <bur[n] er> and stick to ogg vorbis and ogg theora and xvid
[07:41] <davyd> anir: the restricted formats commonly require a license, which is why they aren't shipped for free
[07:41] <mvo__> DigiKill: the package on that url fix the problem. the version in warty is broken for ppc. the package list basicly vanishes when you open the preferences window
[07:41] <davyd> some of them are free to use for certain uses, like say Windows Media Player, but not for others
[07:41] <Qerub> mvo__: yes to #0 or #1?
[07:41] <Qerub> mvo__: gah, dumb question. sorry.
[07:41] <davyd> if you live in a country that doesn't care, that's ok... but what can you do?
[07:42] <zloy> bur[n] er: no other suggestions?
[07:42] <xuzo> hi
[07:42] <mvo__> Qerub: it uses the dpkg --status-fd feature. but it needs some additonal love in dpkg and apt to make it work. dpkg does not report a lot of importend information right now. I have a "fixed" dpkg that outputs additonal information
[07:43] <xuzo> I have problems with a "PATA cdrom"
[07:43] <DigiKill> mvo__: im looking at that list going ".deb ppc package or the ppc build".....which to get?
[07:43] <bur[n] er> zloy: problem with alsa?  oss?  try both outputs?
[07:43] <Qerub> mvo__: okidok, thanks.
[07:44] <mvo__> Qerub: np, I hope to put some experimental packages online before xmas :)
[07:45] <tolstoy> has anyone here ever gotten a redhat box (fc3) to talk to a printer installed on ubuntu?
[07:45] <bur[n] er> zloy: oss or alsa problem?
[07:45] <bur[n] er> or both
[07:46] <Starbuck> hi every one
[07:46] <davyd> tolstoy: you'll need to unsecure you're CUPS server
[07:46] <Starbuck> need help installing ubuntu
[07:46] <davyd> tolstoy: cups is bound to only run on 127.0.0.1:631 by default for security reasons
[07:47] <davyd> tolstoy: I recommend comparing the /etc/cupsd.conf to one that does export over the network
[07:47] <Starbuck> need help installing ubuntu
[07:47] <davyd> Starbuck: you need to ask a question ;)
[07:47] <anir> bur[n] er: when i typed apt-get install w32codecs it said could not find package
[07:47] <ogra> anir: did you read the url i gave you ?
[07:47] <zloy> bur[n] er: probably alsa
[07:48] <tolstoy> davyd, yes, I've done that.
[07:48] <anir> orga: plz paste it again
[07:48] <ogra> anir: it describes exactly what to do to get w32codecs
[07:48] <Starbuck> Ok, everything goes well during installation but while rebooting, i have "loading grub, error 17"
[07:48] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:48] <tolstoy> davyd, i think the prob is figuring out the cups Q name.  think I got it now.
[07:48] <davyd> tolstoy: aah right, yeah they auto assign whacky ones
[07:48] <davyd> look in printers.conf
[07:49] <tolstoy> davyd, for instance, it's not / or /printers/queue1, but, /printers/LaserJet-2100M.
[07:49] <davyd> tolstoy: yeah
[07:49] <anir> ogra: where should i see?
[07:49] <ogra> anir: look for marillat.....
[07:50] <davyd> someone should update the wiki to include mention of apt-key add, and how to add marillat's package signing key
[07:50] <davyd> it's useful knowledge for hoary
[07:50] <zloy> bur[n] er: as far as I know alsa is integrated in kernel
[07:51] <tolstoy> davyd, i didn't even know there was such a thing.
[07:51] <Starbuck> Ok, everything goes well during installation but while rebooting, i have "loading grub, error 17"
[07:51] <riffic> can someone help me, I just upgraded to hoary and now my resolution is stuck at 640x480
[07:51] <tolstoy> what's the command?
[07:51] <davyd> tolstoy: for?
[07:51] <anir> orga: i want to play vcds .. not dvd
[07:51] <fajmoh> I got a problem here, How do I change keymap in X?
[07:51] <davyd> anir: it still applies
[07:51] <tolstoy> apt-key for the marillat stuff
[07:52] <davyd> tolstoy: oh right, you download his key with `gpg --keyserver something --recvkeys something` (which is on his website)
[07:52] <tolstoy> gotcha.
[07:52] <davyd> then you just go `gpg --export -a hiskeyid | apt-key add -`
[07:52] <fajmoh> I know "Computer - Desktop Preferences - Keyboard", but it's just two keymaps for swedish there and none of them works properly for me ...
[07:52] <anir> i dont get any idea how to do it
[07:53] <Starbuck> no one whants t
[07:53] <Starbuck> no one want to help me ?
[07:53] <davyd> Starbuck: hmm...
[07:53] <DigiKill> mvo: are you still here?
[07:53] <davyd> GRUB didn't work for me either, so I stuck with the true and tested lilo
[07:53] <Starbuck> but in the menu it dont want to install lilo
[07:54] <davyd> Starbuck: from memory, the way the CD works, you should be able to insert the CD and select your language, and then press cancel to go to the main menu of install options
[07:54] <anir> ogra: its written install..how?
[07:54] <DigiKill> mvo:  thank you for that help...i now have a package manager again : wooohoooo
[07:54] <mvo> DigiKill: yes
[07:54] <mvo> DigiKill: glad to hear :)
[07:54] <davyd> Starbuck: then you can trigger the right number of options to install a boot loader without the requirement of reinstalling
[07:54] <DigiKill> its nice to know there's more than 3 other ppc ubuntu users out there / in here ;) :)
[07:55] <Starbuck> i will try that and if that dont work ill be bck ;)
[07:55] <davyd> it should offer lilo if you tell it not to install grab
[07:55] <davyd> Starbuck: okies, but I'll probably be asleep by then ;)
[07:55] <anir> davyd: its telling installing..how?
[07:55] <Starbuck> perhaps another one help dude :)
[07:56] <Starbuck> thanks a lot
[07:56] <Starbuck> ++
[07:56] <ogra> anir: add marillat to synaptic as described ;)
[07:56] <riffic> can someone help me with this resolution prob
[07:56] <riffic> can someone help me, I just upgraded to hoary and now my resolution is stuck at 640x480
[07:57] <ogra> anir: then reload in synaptic and you can install the codecs package
[07:57] <anir> ogra: i am getting no idea how to add
[07:57] <bur[n] er> riffic: fix it ;)  why'd you go to hoary if you don't know how to fix stuff ;)
[07:57] <riffic> i looked at xorg.conf
[07:57] <bur[n] er> and??  any screen errors?
[07:57] <bur[n] er> is xorg.conf set up right?
[07:57] <riffic> but it looks normal.. yet the only res i can reach is this really low res
[07:58] <riffic> and i
[07:58] <riffic> er
[07:58] <riffic> i dont know how to make it higher
[07:58] <ogra> anir: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[07:58] <Quest-Master> omg.
[07:58] <bur[n] er> hrm... i'd love to help riffic, but i don't have time right now
[07:58] <Quest-Master> I just figured out how to finally get MIDIs working in Ubuntu.
[07:58] <Quest-Master> !!!
[07:58] <bur[n] er> maybe just go back to warty?
[07:58] <riffic> okay well thanks anyways
[07:59] <riffic> i'll try to see if anyone else has run into this
[07:59] <Qerub> riffic: it's a pretty common problem.
[07:59] <riffic> oh?
[07:59] <Qerub> riffic: but i don't know how to fix it (since i haven't really checked.)
[08:00] <anir> ogra: i have checked all universe..
[08:01] <pisuke> Can I use cvs with a http proxy?
[08:01] <ogra> anir: you need marillat...... the synaptic howto describes how to add it
[08:01] <riffic> okay I'm looking at a forum post about it now
[08:01] <riffic> but ack this hurts my eyes
[08:04] <anir> ogra:... i am still finding...
[08:05] <anir> is it a respository? ogra
[08:05] <dasdas> hi
[08:05] <ogra> anir: you need to add the marillat repository to synaptic
[08:06] <ogra> anir: the data you need for this is on the restricted format page
[08:06] <dasdas> i installed ubuntu - i wiped out an entire hard disk and installed it.
[08:06] <ogra> anir: the description how to add repositorys to synaptic is in the synaptic howto
[08:06] <dasdas> when i decided to clean it - format the entire hard disk and run and install windows again, it gives the error message:
[08:06] <dasdas> GRUB loading, please wait ...
[08:06] <dasdas> error 17
[08:07] <dasdas> how can i install windows again
[08:07] <dasdas> ?
[08:08] <bur[n] er> dasdas: u can do fixmbr fixboot from the xp recovery cd
[08:08] <bur[n] er> or... just fix grub
[08:09] <Qerub> dasdas: fdisk /mbr on an old windows bootdisk should do the same as above
[08:09] <trukulo> dasdas: look in google for fdisk /mbr
[08:09] <dasdas> how would i fix the grub?
[08:09] <davyd> dasdas: you're the second person to complain about this
[08:09] <bur[n] er> dasdas: use a live cd... and run 'grub-install /dev/hda'
[08:09] <davyd> dasdas: if you don't have a live CD, you can use the installer CD
[08:10] <davyd> after selecting your language, you can press cancel to go to the main menu of installation options
[08:10] <trukulo> dasdas, but it's a problem of microsoft, not ubuntu ;)
[08:10] <trukulo> ubuntu installs well ;)
[08:10] <hob1> hi everyone!
[08:10] <bur[n] er> it's a microsoft problem?
[08:11] <davyd> with the right combination of options you can get it to the point where it wants you to install a bootloader (you don't have to reinstall)
[08:11] <bur[n] er> odd
[08:11] <moriddin> hi again people
[08:11] <bur[n] er> anyway... bbl
[08:11] <moriddin> uhm... ive just installed windows xp and i dont know how to run ubuntu
[08:11] <davyd> dasdas: and you can choose lilo, which I find works better
[08:11] <moriddin> how do i run ubuntu now?
[08:11] <davyd> moriddin: you'll need to get your bootloader back into the MBR
[08:11] <trukulo> moriddin, installing grub
[08:11] <moriddin> whats an MBR?
[08:11] <hob1> im a bloody ubuntu-starter, and event though i love it right away, there are still some sore points with my system, like does anyone know howto import my mail-stuff from thebat! ?
[08:12] <davyd> moriddin: in much the same way I described for dasdas
[08:12] <davyd> moriddin: master boot record
[08:12] <xevil> master boot record
[08:12] <davyd> moriddin: windows over writes it
[08:12] <moriddin> master boot record? whats that :/
[08:12] <moriddin> in the setup screen?
[08:12] <trukulo> hob1, i don't know "the bat"
[08:12] <anir> ogra..no
[08:12] <davyd> moriddin: it's what a PC uses to boot an operating system
[08:12] <anir> ogra: i am tried
[08:12] <moriddin> ok and how to i modify that?
[08:12] <moriddin> do*
[08:12] <trukulo> davyd, exactly, a hard disk, not a pc
[08:12] <ogra> anir: no ?
[08:13] <anir> ogra: i am tired.. could not find..
[08:13] <davyd> trukulo: only PCs use MBRs so it's valid
[08:13] <trukulo> but you're ok for newbies
[08:13] <moriddin> davyd how do i modify that?
[08:13] <trukulo> davyd, i disagree, a mac use it too
[08:13] <davyd> moriddin: you'll need to reinstall the GRUB/lilo boot loader
[08:13] <ogra> anir: what ? how to add repos ?
[08:13] <davyd> trukulo: they use open firmware
[08:13] <ogra> anir: or marillat ?
[08:13] <moriddin> whats the grub/lilo boot loader?
[08:13] <davyd> trukulo: except for the older stuff, which boots straight into the System folder
[08:14] <trukulo> davyd, umm, i'm not sure, i'll believe you
[08:14] <moriddin> is it in the ubuntu CD rom?
[08:14] <davyd> moriddin: it's a piece of software that resides in the mbr, you can install it from the CD rom
[08:14] <moriddin> um ok, i install it through windows then?
[08:14] <davyd> if you boot the installer CD and select your lanaguage and then press cancel you well get the main install menu
[08:14] <anir> ogra: marillat
[08:14] <davyd> moriddin: no
[08:15] <davyd> moriddin: once you have the main install menu, you need to do things like detect your hardware, and perhaps some other things, then it will offer you the option of installing the boot loader
[08:15] <ogra> anir: its in the middle of the resricted formats page
[08:15] <davyd> moriddin: you don't need to reinstall
[08:15] <davyd> trukulo: when you're next on a mac, press Ctrl-Apple-O-F
[08:15] <hob1> sorry, just got my tea..
[08:15] <davyd> (I think that's the right combo)
[08:15] <dasdas> this is very serious stuff
[08:15] <moriddin> davyd: i should boot from the ubuntu cd, then choose language, then cancel installation, and then redetect my hardware and all that stuff?
[08:15] <trukulo> davyd, i'll do, thanks
[08:15] <davyd> trukulo: you'll be thrown into open firmware
[08:15] <hob1> the bat, a mail-programme for win (and maybe linux?)
[08:15] <dasdas> i don't know precisely how to solve this problem
[08:16] <davyd> moriddin: yeah, I forget the exact order of options you need
[08:16] <moriddin> davyd: does that mean re-configuring my internet connection too?
[08:16] <davyd> dasdas: if you follow a similar method to moriddin, you should get the option to install the lilo bootloader
[08:16] <davyd> moriddin: shouldn't do
[08:16] <trukulo> dasdas: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q166454/
[08:17] <moriddin> davyd: ok. now lets say i;d like to boot windows sometime later on, how do i do that?
[08:17] <davyd> moriddin: I think you just need to run the detect hardware step, and then it will offer the bootloader step
[08:17] <davyd> moriddin: you can add it to the list in GRUB
[08:17] <davyd> or lilo
[08:17] <hob1> so i was using this mail-programme, THE BAT, and maybe some of u knwo how to import my mails and folder to evolution..?
[08:17] <davyd> the setup files have examples for doign it
[08:17] <moriddin> davyd: and how do i see that list?
[08:17] <davyd> moriddin: it's either /etc/grub.conf or /etc/lilo.conf depending on which you're using
[08:18] <moriddin> davyd: alright.. so if i add windows to the grub/lilo, then ill be able to choose an operating system when i boot my comp?
[08:18] <davyd> GRUB can boot many operating systems, which is why it's useful, unlike say the Windows bootloader which can boot windows
[08:18] <davyd> moriddin: yes
[08:18] <davyd> I personally only have mine offer if I hold down shift when booting
[08:18] <trukulo> hob1, http://www.mepis.org/node/view/845
[08:18] <davyd> else it boots straight into linux
[08:18] <trukulo> read that
[08:18] <anir> orgo: help me
[08:19] <moriddin> davyd: ok thanks man :) im gonna boot ubuntu now and try that
[08:19] <davyd> and I am going to bed
[08:19] <davyd> it's 3.20am
[08:19] <ogra> anir: you understood how to add a repo in synaptic ?
[08:19] <ogra> anir: then add the following:
[08:19] <ogra> anir: URI: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:20] <ogra> anir: Distribution:   testing
[08:20] <anir> orgo:yes i added multiverse
[08:20] <ogra> anir: Section(s):     main
[08:20] <ogra> anir: add this data......as described in the synaptic howto page.....
[08:21] <ogra> anir: then reload your packae list with the reload button and you should find it then
[08:22] <anir> ogra: i have done
[08:22] <ogra> anir: you added marillat ?
[08:23] <anir> ogra:i got w32codecs
[08:23] <ogra> :)
[08:23] <daniels> nice!  http://www.jakeslife.net/ubuntu/
[08:23] <daniels> (ubuntu wallpapers)
[08:23] <anir> its 11.2 mb..it will take time
[08:23] <ogra> daniels: http://www.grawert.net/xss_shot_1.png
[08:24] <anir> ogra: i have not find marillant
[08:24] <anir> ogra: is it okay if i directly add w32codecs
[08:25] <ogra> anir: you only need this.....
[08:25] <ryanh> How do I set up a mysql server for a phpbb forum?
[08:25] <anir> orga: which one w32codecs or marillant?
[08:26] <daniels> ogra: nice :)
[08:26] <daniels> ogra: what did you end up doing about the fonts?
[08:26] <ogra> anir: marillat is a repository....which contains w32codecs.....
[08:26] <trukulo> daniels, here you have mine: http://mercurio.homeip.net/ficheros/ubuntu-lion.png
[08:27] <ogra> daniels: i just ripped out all the X fonst drawing stuff and replaced it with the corresponding xft code
[08:28] <daniels> ogra: awesome, looks really good
[08:28] <keknehv> so... how would I set up a mysql server?
[08:28] <ogra> daniels: quite easy if you once understood it *g* and i dont think i introduce any security probs this way
[08:28] <ogra> daniels: netx step : utf-8 support (i want dots, no stars *g* )
[08:28] <ziggy> I have a quick and fairly stupid question....after I use dpkg or synaptec to install something...what directory does it go to?
[08:30] <ogra> daniels: i am still impressed that nobody touched this ugly piece of crap since ages and all other solutions leave you insecure
[08:30] <Quest-Master> Wahoo! http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=36420#post36420
[08:30] <tvon|x31> SPeaking of UTF-8 support...
[08:30] <tvon|x31> Whenever I login to GNOME I get a "Language not supported EN_us, using system default"
[08:31] <tvon|x31> my lang is UTF-8.EN_us
[08:31] <tvon|x31> er
[08:31] <daniels> 3ogheh, yeah
[08:31] <tvon|x31> en_US.UTF-8
[08:31] <daniels> ogra: oooer, utf-8 would be cool
[08:31] <ziggy> Anyone willing to help?
[08:31] <tvon|x31> ziggy: what directory does what go into?
[08:32] <tvon|x31> ziggy: the package determines where files go...to get a list of files in a pakcage run "dpkg -L <packagename>"
[08:32] <ziggy> I just used dpkg to install zsnes and wormux.
[08:32] <ogra> daniels: what about fade to trans (easy made with the saved under pixmap fading in above the win me thinks)
[08:33] <daniels> ogra: i think it already fades in and out :)
[08:33] <ogra> daniels: nope .... this win just POPS UP in front of your eyes... like a baseball bat :)
[08:33] <trukulo> ziggy, try in /usr/bin/games
[08:33] <tvon|x31> ziggy: does my above answer make sense?
[08:34] <tvon|x31> dpkg -L zsnes
[08:34] <daniels> ogra: oh right, for the password dialog
[08:34] <daniels> ogra: yeah, should be fairly easy
[08:34] <ziggy> Yup it does, thanks.
[08:34] <tvon|x31> np
[08:35] <ogra> daniels: i will try it...learning xft basics took me one week.... lets see for utf8....
[08:35] <daniels> heh :)
[08:35] <ogra> daniels: and X lib is really fun i found out....
[08:35] <daniels> libX11 is a piece of crap
[08:37] <ogra> daniels: so make lib-xorg a better piece of crap then :) i rely on you ;)
[08:38] <daniels> ogra: heh, can't change xlib, sadly
[08:38] <daniels> 'night
[08:38] <ogra> night
[08:38] <anir> ogra: where r  u frm?
[08:38] <ogra> anir: germany
[08:38] <anir> bye  denials
[08:38] <anir> cool.. i m frm India
[08:40] <Rhodan> hello thar
[08:41] <Quest-Master> hello
[08:41] <Rhodan> sup
[08:42] <Rhodan> anyone care to troubleshoot my tech problem
[08:45] <nomasteryoda> with 306 "logged" in here, someone will try
[08:45] <anir> has any virus effect linux?
[08:45] <ogra> nope
[08:45] <nomasteryoda> very few
[08:45] <anir> do i need an antivirus?
[08:45] <nomasteryoda> no
[08:45] <ogra> nomasteryoda: you know one ??
[08:46] <nomasteryoda> ogra, i have not had it happen and do not know of anyone who has... but there are scanners for Linux
[08:46] <ska1> hi all, where can i get the firefox v1 deb?
[08:46] <nomasteryoda> free one from Bitdefender
[08:46] <ogra> nomasteryoda: to help you not to spread windows viruses ;)
[08:46] <ska1> also, thunderbird v1 too?
[08:46] <nomasteryoda> i have it for scanning windows systems
[08:46] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[08:46] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[08:46] <nomasteryoda> true
[08:47] <Rhodan> code] The following packages have unmet dependencies
[08:47] <Rhodan> linux-386: Depends: linux-image-386 but it is not installable
[08:47] <Rhodan> Depends: linux-restricted-modules-386 but it is not going to be installed
[08:47] <Rhodan> E: Broken Packages
[08:47] <Rhodan> can anybody tell me what the mans
[08:47] <Rhodan> means*
[08:47] <Rhodan> it happens when i try install ubuntu
[08:47] <nomasteryoda> Rhodan, that you need to edit your apt-get source.list and add the restricted sources... in a nutshell
[08:47] <Rhodan> how do I do that
[08:48] <Rhodan> its off the warty cd I am installing
[08:48] <nomasteryoda> let me point you to wiki
[08:48] <anir> ogra: i am still having the same problem
[08:48] <ogra> Rhodan: while installing ?
[08:48] <Rhodan> yes, while installing off cd
[08:48] <ogra> Rhodan: before the first reboot ?
[08:48] <Rhodan> yes
[08:48] <anir> ogra: it says no plugin to handle the movie
[08:49] <ska1> any body know, which sources to add to apt sources to upgrade to firefox v1 and thunderbird v1?
[08:49] <Rhodan> right in the beginning, when installing the base system
[08:49] <ogra> Rhodan: looks like a corrupted cd
[08:49] <Rhodan> i have tried multiple cd's
[08:49] <ogra> Rhodan: there is a tool in the boot menu to test the media....use it
[08:49] <Rhodan> and installed it in vmware without a hassle
[08:49] <Rhodan> using the same cd
[08:49] <nomasteryoda> yea, me too
[08:49] <ogra> oh
[08:49] <Rhodan> yup
[08:49] <nomasteryoda> Rhodan, on a laptop?
[08:49] <Rhodan> no, desktop pc
[08:50] <Rhodan> so we all out of idea's then ?
[08:50] <ogra> Rhodan: anything special about the hw ? scsi cd ?
[08:50] <nomasteryoda> no .. thinking
[08:50] <Rhodan> ide cd/dvd drive
[08:50] <Rhodan> sata hard drive
[08:50] <Rhodan> nforce 3 motherboard
[08:51] <Rhodan> A64 cpu
[08:51] <ogra> Rhodan: a64 ?
[08:51] <nomasteryoda> A64, do you have the A64 cd
[08:51] <Rhodan> athlon 64
[08:51] <ogra> Rhodan: with the i386 kernel ?
[08:51] <ogra> hmm
[08:51] <Rhodan> will that not work ?
[08:51] <Rhodan> A64 cd, is that not for 64bit ?
[08:51] <Rhodan> i want 32bit
[08:52] <ogra> i dont know, but there must be a reason for a amd64 cd ......
[08:53] <nomasteryoda> yea, hardware is different for sure...
[08:53] <nomasteryoda> but if windows xp will install on an amd64, then ubuntu 32bit should
[08:54] <nomasteryoda> is the sata the new sata2
[08:54] <Rhodan> no
[08:54] <nomasteryoda> ok
[08:54] <Rhodan> I do have windows xp pro installed
[08:54] <Rhodan> which is what i'm using now, unfortunately
[08:54] <nomasteryoda> Rhodan, does it boot ok with the bootable Ubuntu?
[08:55] <Rhodan> yep
[08:55] <Rhodan> i heard the live cd had better hardware support or something
[08:55] <Rhodan> could be that
[08:55] <sjoerd> 64bit code on an amd can use more registers, so it's more efficient
[08:56] <Rhodan> i've downloaded the latest hoary release, as of last night, but get the same error when trying to install
[08:58] <trukulo> Rhodan, try to install with append nolapic on kernel
[08:59] <Rhodan> eh
[08:59] <Rhodan> what do i type and where
[08:59] <trukulo> look for kernel append in google
[08:59] <nomasteryoda> the advanced install
[09:00] <sturmkind> hi
[09:00] <nomasteryoda> something like F2
[09:00] <nomasteryoda> on booting
[09:00] <Rhodan> what does nolapic do
[09:01] <trukulo> says linux don't use local apic
[09:02] <Rhodan> i c
[09:03] <Rhodan> i have tried disabling/enabling acpi in the bios if that what it does
[09:03] <trukulo> simillar
[09:03] <trukulo> but if you've tried to disable apic, don't try it
[09:03] <trukulo> it's not the problem then
[09:03] <Rhodan> oko
[09:04] <Rhodan> so it looks like windows xp will live longer on my pc then
[09:04] <ogra> Rhodan: btw: acpi != apic
[09:05] <trukulo> ogra: lapic runs over acpi
[09:05] <trukulo> i think
[09:06] <frittz> I can't decide whether to use slackware or ubuntu =\
[09:06] <pw> easy answer
[09:06] <ogra> trukulo: hmm, but you can use a fine grained system in grub to switch it of partly....i.e. pci=noacpi , acpi=off nolapic etc
[09:07] <trukulo> ogra, i agree
[09:07] <pw> frittz: depends what you want the box to do
[09:07] <trukulo> but if he used noacpi at all...
[09:07] <frittz> just a nice little home desktop.... something that can manage to actually run gdesklets without bashing of the head on the desk
[09:07] <pw> frittz: that's a no brainer then
[09:07] <ogra> trukulo: and i think its worth trying all of them .....
[09:07] <pw> ubunt
[09:07] <pw> u
[09:08] <frittz> tried ubuntu before, tried to switchy to hoary from the wart or whatever and got major errors
[09:08] <frittz> followed the dirs on the wiki
[09:08] <ogra> frittz: there is a way to use gdesklets without bashing of the head on the desk ?
[09:08] <frittz> lol
[09:08] <scizzo> anyone that knows how I can get the gnome-cd player applet to play my cds?
[09:09] <frittz> super karamba is not as nice... gdesklets has some nice features... not just gdesklets, somethign where i wont be nagged saying "cant find this dependencie, blah blah"
[09:09] <scizzo> hmm...turning ESD on works
[09:10] <ogra> frittz: you can have evrything you need in ubuntu via synaptic....but this wont make the setup process for gdesklets better
[09:10] <pw> frittz: no, you miss my point. I don't see the point of gdesklets or applications like it
[09:12] <moriddin> yo peeps, if i wanna set a new OS(windows) in my GRUB/lilo, how do i do that?
[09:12] <frittz> well, hell, I give ubuntu another shot.... so much for ye old out-dated slackware.
[09:15] <Capri> I've pinned release o=Ubuntu with priority 1001 to use every package from ubuntu when there are newer versions in any non-Ubuntu repository. Now I have a local repository with some chosen packages and I want that these packages are not downgraded with Ubuntu ones. How I can do that? I've found something in the apt_preferences manpage telling me that I could use Pin: origin "" but I have no idea what this does.
[09:17] <Capri> Any ideas how to pin this?
[09:23] <Quest-Master> How do I update the entire kernel in Ubuntu from a i386 to a i686?
[09:24] <scizzo> Quest-Master: with synaptic
[09:24] <ogra> Quest-Master: or with: sudo apt-get install linux-686
[09:25] <Quest-Master> Oh, I did that already ogra
[09:25] <Quest-Master> That updates the entire kernel?
[09:26] <ogra> Quest-Master: yepp, linux-686 always depends on the current 686 kernel image
[09:27] <Schugy> my problem is that i can't use HBCI with my cyberjack pinpad usb :-/
[09:30] <moriddin> hey people, help me out please, if i want to install windowsxp and to be able to boot it and to boot ubuntu whenever i like, i need to do something with grub/lilo?
[09:30] <huttan> ogra, should i install that if i made my own 686 kernel too?
[09:30] <ogra> huttan: nope, what for did you make your own kernel ?
[09:31] <huttan> ogra, felt better
[09:31] <huttan> ogra, oh, it was the whole kernel, i thought it was program updates or something
[09:32] <ogra> huttan: its the kernel with the ubuntu patches, the modules and the restricted modules package
[09:36] <siveys> I can't figure out how to browse what packages are in the "main" component for example.. Could someone point me to the right direction?
[09:37] <lamont_r> siveys: synaptic
[09:38] <siveys> lamont_r: I'm not running Ubuntu but Debian.
[09:38] <siveys> lamont_r: I'm just curious of what packages are in all of those components..
[09:39] <lamont_r> wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
[09:39] <lamont_r> The wiki has the seed lists.  each of the componets has the seed items and the needed dependencies (that aren't in a lower seed)
[09:40] <lamont_r> so if something is not seeded,it could go *poof* if the dependency graph changed.
[09:40] <siveys> lamont_r: ok I'll try there and if not satisfied I'll try to replace my apt repository temporarily and use synaptic..
[09:41] <siveys> lamont_r: thanks
[09:42] <lamont_r> siveys: here's some info: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SeedManagement
[09:42] <lamont_r> it tells you how to get the list out of arch
[09:45] <nakee>  http://releases.ubuntu.cz/4.10/warty-release-live-i386.iso
[09:45] <nakee> is what I need for installation only?
[09:46] <nakee> or is there a live cd and dead cd choise?:)
[09:46] <lamont_r> livecd != install cd
[09:46] <lamont_r> live cd is a boot and use it, don't touch the harddrive (well, it'll use linux swap if it finds it, but that's almost expected...).  the install cd is the one you want for install.
[09:46] <nakee> ha ok thanks
[09:47] <siveys> why are those two separate cd:s?
[09:48] <king_arthur> nakee: live cd has an additional nice feature
[09:49] <king_arthur> nakee: you can use it to make a one click install of Firefox and other OpenSoftware useful programs on a winkozz machine
[09:50] <Mayday> is there some ubuntu kinda live-cd that can be tossed onto a 512mb usb-key?
[09:50] <nakee> king_arthur: great:) now I only need to get a windows machine;)
[09:51] <king_arthur> nakee: I don't have any partitions left... ;)
[09:52] <dags> i'm getting lots of "Disabling IRQ" and "apic error on cpu0 60(60)" errors. i read on some forum that it could mean cpu is faulty, but wxp/prime95 runs fine. what could be done? i'm running apt-get up- date/grade after first boot, and the errors are all over the place..
[09:52] <king_arthur> nakee: a totally M$ environment free here at home
[09:53] <dags> asus p4p800 (i865pe) & p4 ht cpu by the way
[09:53] <nakee> king_arthur: I used to have windows at home for the really rare cases I need it for bank hp or so, but I used it like once every 4-5 month
[09:53] <nakee> king_arthur: and then it always got tons of viruses before I could update:)
[09:53] <nakee> so I gave it up:)
[09:53] <lamont_r> siveys: because it doesn't fit on 1?
[09:54] <lamont_r> siveys: the liveCD is a complete ubuntu-desktop install, compressed (cloop).  there was ~100MB of free space, which we gave to windows versions of some OSS stuff.
[09:54] <lamont_r> the install CD is on the order of 550 MB, iirc.
[09:55] <lamont_r> in any case, doesn't fit to have both on one.
[09:55] <king_arthur> I am on a mac and spoiled in these regards, have higly underesimated the virus and adware problem on win machines, saw it last night at a friend's place... AMAZING!!
[09:55] <lamont_r> For hoary there _is_ talk of having a unified dvd that does live and install.
[09:55] <lamont_r> although that opens the door for users to shoot themselves accidentally... :-(
[09:56] <lamont_r> king_arthur: plan is to have a livecd for ppc in hoary as well.
[09:57] <king_arthur> lamont_r: no kidding? that would be absolutely great!!
[09:57] <lamont_r> king_arthur: actually hoping to have livecd's for all architectures
[09:57] <AMIGrAve> i'm trying to install the nvidia driver but it fails telling me that I probably have conflicting OpenGL libraries. Should I remove mesa ?
[09:57] <king_arthur> lamont_r: how do you know? could you post me a link to that info?
[09:58] <ogra> AMIGrAve: you followed the wiki page?
[09:58] <lamont_r> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConfAgenda search for Live and follow the link
[09:58] <ogra> AMIGrAve: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[09:58] <neels> hi all, please help me to make my qt application look acceptable! (This Motif style is getting me grey hairs)
[09:59] <lamont_r> king_arthur: fwiw, those are my notes from the BOF session
[09:59] <king_arthur> lamont_r: where are they?
[10:00] <AMIGrAve> ogra: I didn't followed these steps because the driver installed this way does not support my Geforce 660GT so I used this information :  http://www.uberdose.com/kbase/ubuntu-and-nvidia-geforce-6600/
[10:00] <king_arthur> lamont_r: sorry I just noticed
[10:00] <neels> does anyone know how to make qt look better on ubuntu?
[10:00] <king_arthur> lamont_r: to many rooms... :)
[10:00] <lamont_r>  /LiveCDDesign
[10:00] <lamont_r> on the wiki, that is
[10:00] <neighborlee> question...why is using totem branded okay but not mplayer ? ;-)
[10:01] <neighborlee> does it truly contain no copyright enfringements ?
[10:02] <neels> does anyone know how to make qt look better on ubuntu?
[10:02] <neighborlee> yeah use gnome
[10:02] <neighborlee> neels: of course i'm def. kidding
[10:02] <neighborlee> neels: what do you mean better
[10:03] <neels> I mean not Motif
[10:03] <neels> I made this qt application and it looks dreadful!
[10:03] <neighborlee> neels: well I"ve never developed with qt  but surely you have choices for what widgets you want to use
[10:03] <neels> qt-designer itself looks like a true nightmare
[10:04] <neels> hm I guess we're talking theme here
[10:04] <neighborlee> neels: hmm never used it sorry
[10:04] <neels> :)
[10:04] <neighborlee> neels: i'm a gnome guy ( was that obvious)
[10:04] <ogra> neighborlee: nope ;)
[10:04] <neels> well I was just happening to have an application in qt. and it looks damned.
[10:04] <neighborlee> neels: you'll find more help i'm thinking in #kde
[10:05] <neels> also here on freenode?
[10:05] <neighborlee> ogra, heh
[10:05] <neighborlee> neels, yup
[10:05] <neighborlee> ;-)
[10:05] <neighborlee> neels;i'd be happy to help if I knew...
[10:05] <neels> let's see what kde has to say :)
[10:05] <neighborlee> kewl let us know....
[10:06] <stuNNed> what is glib package called in ubuntu?
[10:06] <Riddell> neighborlee: try putting this under General in /etc/qt3/qtrc
[10:06] <Riddell> style=plastik
[10:06] <neighborlee> stuNNed, libglib
[10:07] <neels> Riddell, is that the qt theme your talking about?
[10:07] <Riddell> neels: yes
[10:07] <Riddell> you may also need kdeartwork-style
[10:07] <neighborlee> Riddell, hmmm now I forget what my question was ?LOL..was this about jahshaka ?
[10:07] <neighborlee> Riddell, if so I did get it working afterall
[10:08] <aracataca> hi, could anyone pleaze tell me the command to get the video lan client?
[10:08] <Riddell> neighborlee: your question was about mplayer licensing problems
[10:08] <neighborlee> oh that
[10:08] <neels> Riddell, there's no /etc/qt3
[10:08] <mdl> hi, I try to cp -R from /media/cdrom0 but get unknown filetype. It's MS files I want to cp
[10:08] <Riddell> neels: make one or use ~/.qt/qtrc
[10:09] <Riddell> aracataca: sudo apt-get install vlc
[10:09] <neighborlee> Riddell,i'm just using totem for now..there is flat no mplayer to even install now in apt
[10:09] <stuNNed> neighborlee, aha! thanks :D
[10:09] <aracataca> thanks, ill tr
[10:09] <aracataca> y
[10:09] <neighborlee> Riddell, no surprise though i'm sure they dont want us using it till they fix licensing issues <G>
[10:09] <neighborlee> Riddell, unless of course we compile it which I have zero intentin of doing <G>
[10:09] <neels> right, Riddell, let me try and install KDE :)
[10:10] <miggumike> neels: i'm using kde 3.3
[10:10] <neighborlee> stuNNed, np ;-)
[10:11] <aracataca> thanks riddel, i still gotta get into that stuff.. but i will, i promise!  ;)
[10:11] <stuNNed> neighborlee, trying to get gnomad2 to work with second generation dell jukebox but just used alien :D
[10:11] <aracataca> the next thing is to record a live stream in mp3-format...
[10:12] <aracataca> or is any other formatting better?
[10:12] <aracataca> in windows, i was using total record, dunno if theres something similar to that, but i guess so
[10:13] <neels> THANKS ALL
[10:13] <neighborlee> stuNNed, wasn't aware dell jukebox worked in linux lol
[10:13] <neighborlee> I really need a good ogg player ;-0..does linux have one yet peeps ????
[10:14] <darksatanic> xmms?
[10:14] <neighborlee> shoooot
[10:14] <adnans> I use alsaplayer *g*
[10:14] <neighborlee> sorry I didn't make that very clear did I ;(
[10:14] <neighborlee> sorry..I MEANT portable player
[10:14] <neighborlee> :(
[10:14] <miggumike> how can i access my hda3 parition's locked files?
[10:14] <Pozac> and with linux on it?
[10:14] <darksatanic> You mean iPod-like?
[10:14] <neighborlee> I hear the rio500 works in linux but I doubt it does ogg
[10:14] <darksatanic> Try the iRiver.
[10:14] <neighborlee> darksatanic, yup
[10:15] <neighborlee> iriver huh
[10:15] <ogra> neighborlee: hmm, rhythmbox on a laptop ?
[10:15] <neighborlee> ogra, LOL
[10:15] <neighborlee> ogra, dont I wish I h ad a laptop
[10:15] <neighborlee> shrug
[10:15] <AndyR> lo ppl
[10:15] <neighborlee> maybe santa will bring one <G>
[10:15] <neighborlee> AndyR, hi
[10:15] <ogra> *g*
[10:15] <neighborlee> dear santa...
[10:15] <darksatanic> neighborlee: www.iriver.com
[10:16] <darksatanic> Those run Linux, and will play oggs, IIRC.
[10:16] <neighborlee> kewl thx..checking
[10:16] <AndyR> darksatanic, what you doing here ? :))
[10:17] <darksatanic> AndyR: Well, I _do_ have Ubuntu on one of my machines. :)
[10:17] <AndyR> lol
[10:18] <AndyR> we "will" meet one day
[10:18] <Riddell> neighborlee: I think the problems with mplayer licencing are not infringement but technicalities (not including GPL licence text, not adding GPL notices to some files, not saying that some files are modified) but you can get it from marillat
[10:19] <miggumike> how can i access my hda3 parition's locked files?
[10:19] <mdl> I try to cp -R from /media/cdrom0 but get unknown filetype. It's MS files I want to cp. Suggestions?
[10:19] <neighborlee> Riddell, well..yeah I can understand the gpl stuff..although I do have marillat in my repository yet I got several dependency problems when trying to get it..would you try and see if you also have trouble...???
[10:20] <AMIGrAve> is this message normal at boot time ? "Cannot access the hardware clock via any known method ?"
[10:21] <Riddell> neighborlee: I'm using "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" and hoary and havn't had any dependency problems
[10:21] <neighborlee> Riddell, lemme check
[10:22] <neighborlee> Riddell: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ : unstable: main < is what I have too and I'm unable to install : mplayer-586 without getting many dependency conflicts....
[10:23] <neighborlee> maybe you should try again <G>
[10:23] <neighborlee> mplayer-586:
[10:23] <neighborlee>   Depends: libartsc0 but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed
[10:23] <neighborlee>   Depends: libfribidi0 but 0.10.4-3 is to be installed
[10:23] <neighborlee>   Depends: libggi2 but 1:2.0.4-3 is to be installed
[10:23] <neighborlee>   Depends: libpng12-0 but 1.2.5.0-7ubuntu1 is to be installed
[10:23] <neighborlee>   Depends: libungif4g but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[10:23] <neighborlee> damn
[10:23] <neighborlee> sorry it did NOT look like that many lines in the dialogue window <<<
[10:23] <neighborlee> anyway...
[10:23] <ogra> neighborlee: try testing, not unstable
[10:23] <Pozac> I am also getting dependency errors when trying to install mplayer-586
[10:23] <Riddell> neighborlee: are you using hoary?
[10:24] <Pozac> neighborlee, have you tried the mplayer-custom from hoary multiverse?
[10:24] <neighborlee> I have original ubuntu from like 3-4 months ago
[10:24] <neighborlee> but I did do: apt-get upgrade few days ago...<<<<
[10:24] <Pozac> or warty multiverse
[10:25] <neighborlee> Pozac, Yes but its only command-line player
[10:25] <Pozac> neighborlee, ohh
[10:25] <neighborlee> :)
[10:25] <neighborlee> thx though..
[10:26] <ogra> neighborlee: for warty you need the testing repo, unstable is for hoary
[10:26] <neighborlee> i appreciate the attempt
[10:26] <neighborlee> hmmmmmmmm
[10:26] <neighborlee> I thought ubuntu was always unstable based....
[10:26] <neighborlee> is this a oops ?
[10:26] <ogra> see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:27] <Riddell> neighborlee: warty is several months old
[10:27] <ogra> neighborlee: if a stable release is made, there are no updates form debian anymore, so its in the starte of unstable before october
[10:28] <ogra> neighborlee: which is nearly the same as sarge
[10:29] <aracataca> sorry folks to interrupt, anyone got the name for a tool that records a livestream?
[10:30] <miggumike> my hda3 is my osx partition. when i mount it on my linux system many files are locked.
[10:30] <miggumike> how can i unlock it?
[10:32] <pw> has a conversation about proposing multisync for hoary's desktop seed proposals been had?
[10:36] <AMIGrAve> when uncommenting universe apt source, is it possible to install kde ? if yes, what is the name of the metapackage installing all the base stuff ?
[10:37] <neighborlee> Riddell, several months old meaning I need to dist-upgrade to get things working ?
[10:38] <neighborlee> ogra, hmm alright somehow I must have changed it accidentily then ;(..i'll put it back to testing
[10:38] <ogra> neighborlee: yep, do this.....should work then :)
[10:39] <neighborlee> darksatanic, so does iriver actually work okay in linux ?..it doesn't seem to say anywhere
[10:41] <darksatanic> neighborlee: It's a stand-alone device.
[10:41] <darksatanic> What do you mean by "works in Linux"?
[10:41] <neighborlee> darksatanic, well I mean to be able to transfer my music from linux to it
[10:41] <darksatanic> AFAIK, they act as standard USB-storage devices.
[10:42] <darksatanic> I don't own one myself, but I know several Linux-type people with them.
[10:42] <neighborlee> darksatanic, I was hoping so yes
[10:42] <TopDog> I have a harddrive hdd1 with ReiserFS, what exactly do I need to write in etc/stab to mount it on boot?
[10:44] <neighborlee> ogra: still not working ;(
[10:44] <neighborlee> ogra: i'm still getting several dependency conflicts
[10:44] <ogra> neighborlee: universe is enabled too ?
[10:44] <neighborlee> curious...xmms-xmmplayer depends on mplayer-custom ?....that can't be right ;-)
[10:45] <Seq> darksatanic: i assume its an mp3 player you're talking about. which one?
[10:45] <darksatanic> Seq: iRiver.
[10:46] <Seq> darksatanic: i have an iriver ihp-120 :)
[10:46] <darksatanic> I don't... :) can you help neighborlee with their questions?
[10:46] <Seq> darksatanic: it mounts as a removable drive with a vfat filesystem. works fine, just be sure to umount before unplugging
[10:46] <neighborlee> Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/universe Packages
[10:46] <neighborlee>   Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/testing/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No such file or directory
[10:47] <Seq> ah, i misunderstood who wanted help
[10:47] <neighborlee> that was me
[10:47] <neighborlee> thx for info.yeah its the 120 I was looking at
[10:47] <Seq> neighborlee: is it one of the hard disk ones, or the flash ones?
[10:47] <neighborlee> hd I think
[10:47] <ogra> neighborlee: universe from ubuntu
[10:47] <neighborlee> says you can put regular files on it .128MB
[10:47] <Seq> ahh, yeah. it works great. the only problem i've had with it at all is there is no gapless playback
[10:48] <neighborlee> ah
[10:48] <Seq> 128MB?
[10:48] <neighborlee> yeah
[10:48] <mupe> how do I completely disable ipv6?
[10:48] <neighborlee> ogra: what do you mean universe from ubuntu ?
[10:48] <Seq> thats prolly a flash one. the ihp-120 (i think its h120 now) is 20GB
[10:49] <neighborlee> http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/iFP-780.aspx < I meant this one ;(
[10:49] <Schugy> i've had a iFP-890 and it was bad
[10:50] <ogra> neighborlee: ubuntus universe repository i mean......http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[10:50] <calc> get an ipod ;)
[10:50] <Schugy> at least worse than I have exspected for that premium price
[10:50] <Schugy> ipod doesn't play ogg vorbis
[10:51] <Schugy> useless
[10:51] <calc> they're pretty and expensive, and you are supporting a lunatic's company ;)
[10:51] <joh_> I have a H120, its really a great player. Good for linux geeks
[10:51] <Seq> neighborlee: http://ifp-driver.sourceforge.net/
[10:51] <neighborlee> ah thx
[10:51] <neighborlee> ogra: ok
[10:51] <Seq> neighborlee: looks like you need to use those utilities to access the ifp players. there seems to be a kernel module they're working on to mount it as a regular removable storage device
[10:52] <Schugy> i think there's no iRiver Player that supports gapless ogg vorbis playback
[10:52] <Seq> Schugy: no. if one did, i'm sure they all would. they're "gapless fix" in the latest firmware is a joke ;)
[10:53] <Schugy> and the iFP890 was noisy
[10:54] <Schugy> and the support wasn't even existant
[10:54] <Schugy> maybe I?l try trekstore next time
[10:58] <neighborlee> Seq, kewl
[11:01] <pw> Hmm.
[11:04] <frittz> where is the wallpapers folder located?
[11:05] <jam3s> locate <filename?
[11:07] <Gman> frittz, usually /usr/share/pixmaps/backgrounds
[11:08] <frittz> alright thanks now one more quick quest, how do i get an address bar in nautilus...
[11:10] <pw> frittz: ctrl-l
[11:11] <frittz> ah, thanks
[11:11] <ogra> frittz: right click a folder..... select browse
[11:13] <f4r4i> hey y'all
[11:14] <f4r4i> my gdm seems partially borked. it starts up fine, it opens my last opened windows and gaim but i don't have any panels and i don't know how to get them back
[11:15] <ogra> f4r4i: warty or hoary ?
[11:17] <f4r4i> warty
[11:18] <f4r4i> do you know how i can start a gnome configuration tool or something from the terminal
[11:19] <jazzka> hi!
[11:19] <f4r4i> 'sup
[11:19] <ogra> f4r4i: look if there is a panel running but not showing up with: ps ax|grep  gnome-panel
[11:19] <jam3s> hi!
[11:19] <ogra> f4r4i: if not, run it manually from the console: gnome-panel &
[11:20] <jazzka> is there any way to upgrade Ubuntu's OpenOffice org to the latest version?
[11:20] <ogra> f4r4i: then log out and save your session
[11:20] <f4r4i> yeah there's a panel running
[11:20] <f4r4i> gnome-panel &
[11:21] <ogra> f4r4i: nope,
[11:21] <f4r4i> oops wrong window
[11:21] <ogra> f4r4i: not if there is one running
[11:21] <ogra> f4r4i: is should show up .....
[11:21] <rhodan> hello thar
[11:21] <ogra> f4r4i: it
[11:21] <f4r4i> yeah there's one runnign but i just can't see it
[11:21] <f4r4i> all i see is desktop
[11:21] <rhodan> yo ogra
[11:22] <rhodan> I sorted my problem
[11:22] <rhodan> I'm chatting from Ubuntu now =)
[11:22] <ogra> f4r4i: try to kill the running panel: killall gnome-panel
[11:22] <ogra> rhodan: great :)
[11:22] <rhodan> kekeke
[11:22] <ogra> f4r4i: gnome-session should start a new one then
[11:23] <rhodan> why the hell is firefox so damn slow
[11:24] <jam3s> ubuntu is a good choice for server?
[11:24] <AMIGrAve> what is the executable name of the gnome apps that allows to change theme ?
[11:25] <|QuaD-> does anyone here have experience with php xmlrpc clients?
[11:25] <sm> how to gnome-pilot and multisync compare ?
[11:25] <sm> (do)
[11:26] <will> gnome-theme-manager
[11:27] <rhodan> anyone here using the fglrx drivers for ATI ?
[11:27] <f4r4i> yo ogra, the killall command doesn't kill the invisible gnome-panel, and gnome-session refuses to to start cos there's one already runnin'
[11:27] <f4r4i> grrrr...
[11:28] <Pozac> killall -9
[11:28] <ogra> f4r4i: Pozac is right
[11:28] <Pozac> Gotta love -9 ;)
[11:28] <ogra> heh
[11:28] <ogra> depends
[11:29] <f4r4i> still 'no process killed'
[11:29] <Pozac> then there is no gnome-panel process
[11:30] <Pozac> hmm
[11:30] <ogra> f4r4i: you look for gnome-panel , not for /usr/lib/gnome-panel
[11:30] <ogra> f4r4i: .... which are the applet locations.....
[11:31] <neighborlee> Ogra: i'm still unable to get past dependency issues with my repos.setup..i'm rechecking but I dont see what I've got wrong...help me jesus
[11:32] <neighborlee> ogra: I tried the url you pasted but its not helping
[11:32] <neighborlee> or i'm being a total buttwad today..( which is possible)
[11:32] <ogra> neighborlee: you got universe in now ? and removed the universe bit form marillat again ?
[11:32] <mroth> is GLX working for anyone with nvidia-drivers in current packages of hoary?
[11:32] <neighborlee> ogra: lemme goto #flood and past sources.list
[11:33] <ogra> neighborlee: k
[11:33] <f4r4i> interesting... there appears to be no /usr/lib/gnome-panel. should there be one?
[11:41] <ogra> neighborlee: i just tried it....
[11:41] <ogra> neighborlee: seems not to work anymore, i think the wiki needs an update.....
[11:41] <neighborlee> ahhh
[11:41] <neighborlee> ogra same errors as mine ?
[11:41] <ogra> yep
[11:42] <neighborlee> ok..
[11:42] <neighborlee> good I feel relieved
[11:42] <ogra> even stable doesnt like me
[11:42] <neighborlee> lol
[11:42] <neighborlee> woah
[11:44] <noob> I have 2 hd on my pc, prim has Win XP, and sec. has Ubuntu linux. I had to re-install win xp yesterday, but now when i boot up i don't have the choice to boot windows or linux anymore? how can i fix that?
[11:46] <Pozac> noob, boot the livecd
[11:46] <mdke> noob, windows has nabbed your boot record
[11:47] <Pozac> the best thing about ubuntu is the semi-porn
[11:47] <noob> ok ! damn, i lent my cd to a friend
[11:47] <noob> is there any way to fix it other than boot with the cd &
[11:47] <noob> ?
[11:47] <jbroome> apt-get and semi-porn
[11:47] <Pozac> a 16 mb stage 1 gentoo install cd will do the trick
[11:48] <Pozac> or a floppy if you still got the drive
[11:48] <noob> yes i have a floppy drive
[11:48] <noob> would i always have to boot with a floppy now, or it will create a new boot record like before?
[11:49] <Pozac> you can recreate it easily
[11:49] <neighborlee> Pozac, semi pron ?
[11:49] <Pozac> neighborlee, yeah, the chicks and the dude from the calendar are on the cd cover :)
[11:49] <neighborlee> LOL
[11:49] <noob> ok, can you point me where i could find a boot disk
[11:49] <neighborlee> yeah I love that design...it rocks
[11:50] <noob> and ill try to find out how to re-create my boot record
[11:50] <Pozac> I'm not sure, haven't used one for ages..
[11:50] <neighborlee> noob: you dont need boot disk
[11:50] <neighborlee> noob: at least you shouldn't..just boot with livecd and use 'rescue' mode
[11:50] <Pozac> he hasn't got the livecd
[11:50] <neighborlee> noob: once there you re-run lilo and install it to your harddrive MBR
[11:50] <noob> ok
[11:50] <neighborlee> Pozac, easier if he just grabs it and uses it
[11:50] <ogra> neighborlee: no lilo on ubuntu
[11:50] <noob> than i think ill wait to have back my cd
[11:51] <noob> ill ask it back , ghope to have it soon, i had some new stuff to try and learn :)
[11:51] <neighborlee> ogra: sorry:(i'mi thinking of mdk
[11:51] <neighborlee> noob: okay grub then LOL
[11:51] <f> hey folks
[11:52] <neighborlee> ogra: i presume livecd has rescue mode for him to fix this righth ?
 : do you know how i could do it with a floppy?
[11:52] <Pozac> I wonder why grub was chosen.. I find lilo much better
[11:52] <Pozac> hey f
[11:52] <ogra> neighborlee: nope.... not this release i think
[11:52] <neighborlee> ditto..I find lilo easier actually..grub is confusing LOL
[11:52] <neighborlee> ogra: k thx
[11:52] <neighborlee> noob: then you do not want livecd
[11:52] <noob> Ok, but when i'll have my cd back, what do i do, only put it in, boot on cd and thats it
[11:52] <ogra> Pozac: because you cant edit your lilo.conf brfore booting.... with grub xou can ;)
[11:52] <calc> using grub from a floppy is pretty easy
[11:53] <neighborlee> noob: unless you want to show off ubuntu to friend then by all means!!
[11:53] <noob> what is livecd, is it my ubuntu cd?
[11:53] <neighborlee> noob: special cd that runs from cd and doesn't require installation
[11:53] <neighborlee> noob: not recommended but for on the move and showing off to converts <G>
[11:53] <noob> it's not my ubuntu cd?
[11:53] <neighborlee> no
[11:53] <noob> lol, sorry, im a bit mixed up :)
[11:53] <neighborlee> noob: no biggie
[11:54] <Pozac> ogra, true.. I only use it to correct the drive (stupid naming system) :)
[11:54] <dagron> there is a LiveCD and an install-cd. LiveCD is only the preview of what it will be like when it's newly installed.
[11:55] <noob> ok, but can I use my ubuntu install cd to create a new boot record?
[11:55] <dagron> like Knopix. you don't have to install Ubuntu to run the livecd.
[11:55] <noob> or i have to use a liveCd
[11:55] <noob> if so, ill try to find a livecd cause i dont have one
[11:55] <noob> i only have the ubuntu install  cd
[11:55] <dagron> I have seriosly no idea. how can you have trouble with ubuntu?
[11:55] <Pozac> Can't he just chroot into his old system and run that grub?
[11:55] <Pozac> that would be totally easy
[11:55] <neighborlee> noob: I've done it before but with FC cd
[11:56] <dagron> sweet.
[11:56] <neighborlee> noob: knooppix may work dunno...but I know FC cd works by going into whats called 'rescue mode'
[11:56] <noob> dagron, i dont really have prob, i reinstall win xp on my primary hd, and it kill my boot record , so now i cant boot on my sec. hd
[11:56] <dagron> that sucks dude :S
[11:56] <noob> yrp
[11:56] <noob> i really dont know how to do this
[11:57] <neighborlee> noob: for that you only need disk#1 of FC..as I say knoppix may do it I dont know...but I know FC does...
[11:57] <dagron> format /dev/hda2 ?
[11:57] <mdke> noob, you could try the ubuntu install cd i guess. But be careful :)
[11:57] <mdke> noob, otherwise any live cd will do: knoppix, gnoppix, gentoo etc
[11:57] <noob> mdke, yep that what i thoug, but i hope not to erase my linux
[11:58] <noob> damn microsoft windows :P
[11:58] <mdke> noob, kill windows
[11:58] <noob> lol :P
[11:58] <mdke> you don't need it
[11:58] <noob> i need for work
[11:58] <mdke> ;)
[11:58] <neighborlee> noob: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/iso/ < go there and get : FC3-i386-disc1.iso   and burn it to a cd..reboot and go into rescue mode and then run: grub-install hda ( if wrong someone correct me)
[11:58] <noob> Autocad and 3d software
[11:58] <noob> :)
[11:58] <Blackwell> i wonder about the design or rather changes that ubuntu does to debian. i am looking for a way to "sanely" get a debian desktop "configuration" done without wading head to toe through what debian folks may consider initiation rites. :)
[11:59] <Quest-Master> How good do you guys consider Fedora?
[11:59] <ogra> Blackwell: so use ubuntu.....
[11:59] <mdke> #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:59] <Quest-Master> lol
[11:59] <noob> neighborlee: ok ! ill check this out
[11:59] <noob> thanks
[11:59] <Pozac> Inferior? :)
[11:59] <neighborlee> Quest-Master, I dont like it really..I feel like a guinea pig <G>...but the rescue mode works fine <G>
[11:59] <ogra> Blackwell: sounds like thats what youre looking for
[11:59] <neighborlee> LOL