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| wasabi | huh. i wonder if making xserver kick off dpkg-reconfigure on itself when it fails to start is a good idea. | 01:33 |
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| wasabi | heh. | 01:33 |
| wasabi | !!! HACK !!! | 01:33 |
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| bob2 | how annoying | 02:20 |
| bob2 | my laptop will only associate with my AP for about 20 seconds | 02:20 |
| bob2 | then it drops | 02:20 |
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| yann_ | hello :) | 02:55 |
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| yann_ | any webmaster of ubuntulinux.org, or a way to contact one of theme? didn't get any answer to my mails :/ | 02:55 |
| yann_ | we're creating a french support site for ubuntu, including a forum, would be nice if there could be a link in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/forums/ | 02:56 |
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| bob2 | who did you email? | 03:14 |
| yann_ | info & webmaster @ ubuntulinux.org | 03:15 |
| bob2 | when? | 03:20 |
| yann_ | the first about a month ago, the second about 2 weeks ago | 03:20 |
| yann_ | both were about a french site about ubuntu | 03:21 |
| yann_ | 12/13/2004 07:33 PM | 03:23 |
| yann_ | from etheeten@gmail.com | 03:23 |
| yann_ | if that could help you :| | 03:23 |
| yann_ | that was to trademarks@ubuntulinux.org | 03:23 |
| yann_ | the first mail is from 11/30/2004 01:54 AM , to info@ubuntulinux.org, from yann@mandragor.org | 03:25 |
| yann_ | does that help? :| | 03:25 |
| yann_ | well, do you think I should try to mail again? :/ | 03:34 |
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| bob2 | hm, no cds yet | 04:52 |
| bob2 | mako: if the cds claimed to have shipped on nov 8th, but aren't here yet, is it time to start wondering? | 04:53 |
| calc | wow that is a while | 04:56 |
| calc | i got mine back at thanksgiving | 04:57 |
| bob2 | daniels: my X laptop gets very unhappy when I start a second X server | 05:31 |
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| wasabi | I still haven't gotten mine either. | 06:34 |
| wasabi | CD's that is. | 06:34 |
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| bob2 | have you checked shipit.ubuntu.com? | 06:36 |
| kergan | how long does it take on average | 06:41 |
| bob2 | depends on when you order | 06:42 |
| bob2 | they go out in bunches | 06:42 |
| kergan | i orderd them aroung turkey day | 06:42 |
| kergan | and not it finaly told me thay sent them on the 6th of this month | 06:42 |
| bob2 | should be there very soon then | 06:44 |
| kylem | bob2, i've the same problem. (same ship date too) | 06:47 |
| kergan | 2 weeks | 06:47 |
| kergan | really | 06:47 |
| kergan | wow thats fast specaly since its the x-mas malling seasion | 06:47 |
| calc | they are shipped from switzerland i think | 07:00 |
| calc | so probably takes a while | 07:00 |
| fabbione | morning | 07:00 |
| calc | fabbione: hi | 07:00 |
| doko | morning all | 07:08 |
| fabbione | hey doko | 07:10 |
| fabbione | doko: we need a 64bit gcc for ppc | 07:10 |
| doko | fabbione: see on chinstrap:~doko/gcc/ | 07:13 |
| fabbione | sw33t | 07:14 |
| fabbione | why isn't uploaded? | 07:14 |
| doko | it's C only, we don't a 64bit glibc, no priority, ... | 07:16 |
| fabbione | doko: we need the gcc for the 64bit kernel :-) | 07:16 |
| fabbione | the rest can wait | 07:16 |
| fabbione | doko: we will need a very minimal amount of packages in 64 bit | 07:17 |
| calc | just buy an x86-64 ;) | 07:17 |
| fabbione | like gcc, libc, ncurses and something like sparc-utils | 07:18 |
| calc | does ubuntu work on g5's already? | 07:18 |
| fabbione | calc: our buildd are g5 | 07:18 |
| calc | cool | 07:18 |
| fabbione | but they are running UP/32bit | 07:18 |
| calc | oh | 07:18 |
| fabbione | because of kernel limitations | 07:18 |
| calc | that kinda sucks, wasting half of the system then | 07:18 |
| calc | is it numa like amd64? | 07:19 |
| fabbione | that's why we need gcc 64bit & so on... | 07:19 |
| fabbione | no idea... | 07:19 |
| fabbione | i am not into ppc at all | 07:19 |
| calc | oh ok | 07:19 |
| fabbione | i just need to prepare the kernel for elmo to test at the datacenter :) | 07:19 |
| === fabbione attempts another sparc ubuntu install | ||
| doko | 32bit apps on ppc are usually faster. | 07:20 |
| fabbione | doko: it is like sparc | 07:20 |
| calc | 32bit is usually faster in general except when you have a braindead arch like x86 | 07:20 |
| fabbione | 64bit kernel, 32 bit userland | 07:20 |
| fabbione | and only a few userland packages in 64bit | 07:20 |
| fabbione | like pgsql and stuff like that | 07:20 |
| calc | a 32bit x86-64 would be interesting | 07:20 |
| calc | i wonder if it would be even faster (if its even possible to force it into such a mode) | 07:21 |
| fabbione | installing on 9600bps serial console is the pain | 07:24 |
| wasabi | dont suppose anybody who knows much about preseeding base-config is awake | 07:26 |
| fabbione | wasabi: just ask | 07:31 |
| wasabi | Well.... trying to find the right preseeding values to get hoary's base-config to skip everything. | 07:32 |
| wasabi | Tried everything I can and it's still asking for username, passwor,d and showing the welcome and timezone screens | 07:32 |
| fabbione | wasabi: preseeding isn't always enough | 07:33 |
| fabbione | you need to workaround some debconf priorities as well | 07:33 |
| wasabi | Hmmm. | 07:33 |
| wasabi | Well, not sure how to adjust the priorities of base-config, which is started automatically. | 07:33 |
| fabbione | you need to edit the scripts | 07:34 |
| wasabi | the base-config scripts? | 07:34 |
| fabbione | yes | 07:34 |
| wasabi | nuh. | 07:34 |
| wasabi | buh. | 07:34 |
| wasabi | that's not easy. =/ | 07:34 |
| fabbione | i never said it was :) | 07:37 |
| wasabi | I was just hoping. | 07:37 |
| wasabi | It should be easier. | 07:37 |
| wasabi | So, there a howto? ;0 | 07:39 |
| fabbione | just read the code? ;) | 07:40 |
| wasabi | =( | 07:40 |
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| pitti | Morning | 07:56 |
| fabbione | hey pitti | 08:10 |
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| pitti | Hi mvo | 09:11 |
| mvo | hi pitti | 09:12 |
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| sid77 | hi | 09:28 |
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| pitti | Hi seb128 | 09:43 |
| Treenaks | "seb128 broke my gnome" ? | 09:44 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:seb128] : Ubuntu development -- ARE WE NEARLY THERE YET? -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Want to help Hoary? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | ||
| seb128 | morning | 09:44 |
| seb128 | (mataro server) | 09:44 |
| seb128 | Treenaks: hum ? | 09:44 |
| Treenaks | seb128: why did I have to rm ~/.gnome2/session to make my panel work again? :) | 09:44 |
| seb128 | "seb128 broke your panel" | 09:45 |
| Treenaks | seb128: and nautilus.. I couldn't right-click on the desktop either | 09:45 |
| seb128 | Treenaks: killall gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus gnome-panel trashapplet | 09:45 |
| seb128 | nothing to do with the session | 09:45 |
| seb128 | that's a gnome-vfs-daemon bug | 09:45 |
| Treenaks | seb128: removing the session fixed it for me | 09:45 |
| seb128 | no | 09:46 |
| seb128 | restarting fixed it | 09:46 |
| seb128 | no ? | 09:46 |
| seb128 | the bug doesn't happen every time | 09:46 |
| Treenaks | seb128: no, I tried to log in 3 times -- each time the panel "hung".. removing the session file -> it worked again | 09:46 |
| Treenaks | seb128: so that was a coincidence? | 09:47 |
| seb128 | yep | 09:47 |
| seb128 | you have kept the session ? | 09:47 |
| Treenaks | I moved it aside instead of rm'ing it, so yes | 09:48 |
| Treenaks | not that I used it for anything but starting gaim.. but hey | 09:48 |
| seb128 | you can retry to put it again and see if it bugs | 09:48 |
| Treenaks | tonight, when I'm with the machine again :) | 09:49 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:49 |
| seb128 | if the session is broken open a bug with it :) | 09:49 |
| seb128 | brrr | 09:51 |
| seb128 | -9C according to my weather | 09:51 |
| seb128 | at least now it feels like december :) | 09:51 |
| Treenaks | 8) | 09:55 |
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| pitti | daniels: ping | 10:19 |
| pitti | Kamion: already awake? | 10:20 |
| pitti | Keybuk: here? | 10:25 |
| seb128 | pitti: apparently you are the only one working here :p | 10:26 |
| fabbione | pitti: daniels is in vac... | 10:26 |
| pitti | yes, I remembered about daniels as soon as I hit enter :-/ | 10:26 |
| pitti | I need a native English speaker to review an USN text | 10:27 |
| mvo | pitti: how can I train pmount to not sync mount certain volumes in warty? i.e. external HDs | 10:27 |
| pitti | mvo: upgrade to hal/pmount/gvm of Hoary :-) | 10:28 |
| pitti | mvo: seriously, this is not trivial in Warty | 10:28 |
| pitti | mvo: the easiest solution is probably to add an fstab entry | 10:28 |
| mvo | pitti: aye, thanks# | 10:28 |
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| pitti | gosh, all channels are so quiet today - it almost feels like it was christmas, or so... | 10:29 |
| ogra | heh | 10:30 |
| seb128_ | I can make some noise if you want :p | 10:30 |
| mvo | lalalalala | 10:30 |
| ogra | lololo | 10:30 |
| mvo | let's sing a christmas song | 10:30 |
| mvo | ;) | 10:30 |
| ogra | hehe | 10:30 |
| pitti | Frhliche Weihnacht berall | 10:31 |
| Treenaks | *shudder* | 10:31 |
| ogra | lalalalalala la lala | 10:31 |
| mvo | Treenaks: come on, now a dutch one ! | 10:31 |
| ogra | yay | 10:31 |
| pitti | 10:31 | |
| seb128_ | lalala | 10:32 |
| === wasabi baths in UTF-8 | ||
| wasabi | *bathes | 10:38 |
| === smurfix passes the soap to wasabi | ||
| seb128 | hum | 10:54 |
| === seb128 has just dist-upgraded | ||
| seb128 | and now | 10:54 |
| seb128 | /usr/bin/env: python: No such file or directory | 10:54 |
| seb128 | (running dput) | 10:54 |
| pitti | seb128: if it gives you a better feeling, my python XML support is gone, too | 10:55 |
| seb128 | :( | 10:55 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: ping | 10:55 |
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| fabbione | doko: did you realize that you uploaded gcc3.4 as native package? | 11:09 |
| fabbione | no | 11:09 |
| fabbione | nevermind | 11:09 |
| fabbione | i am on crack | 11:09 |
| Kamion | pitti: yo | 11:10 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i did bootstrap the sparc :-) | 11:10 |
| Kamion | cool | 11:11 |
| fabbione | plenty of problems, but nothing unfixable | 11:11 |
| fabbione | for some reasons d-i installed a -smp kernel (=kabuum) | 11:11 |
| Kamion | that's easy to sort out | 11:11 |
| fabbione | and it didn't find silo-installer or couldn't install silo for some reasons | 11:11 |
| fabbione | and it did add restricted to sources.list | 11:12 |
| fabbione | that's another kabuum | 11:12 |
| fabbione | probably 2 of them are related | 11:12 |
| Kamion | not really interested in kludging the restricted thing for sparc only; fix your archive :) | 11:12 |
| fabbione | Kamion: well... there is nothing restricted for sparc... | 11:13 |
| Kamion | for the rest, can you send me /var/log/debian-installer/syslog from the installed system? | 11:13 |
| fabbione | but yeah... | 11:13 |
| fabbione | i will fix my archive | 11:13 |
| Kamion | sure, but d-i doesn't get to know that | 11:13 |
| fabbione | sure i can | 11:13 |
| Kamion | the silo thing is weird | 11:13 |
| fabbione | it might be something wrong on the archive... i didn't spend too much time on it | 11:14 |
| Kamion | oh, *crap*, silo-installer is RETARDED | 11:14 |
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| Kamion | ok, that's silo-installer brokenness which needs to be fixed | 11:14 |
| fabbione | Kamion: oh.. ok | 11:14 |
| Kamion | unfortunately it means a string change | 11:15 |
| fabbione | Kamion: hmmm | 11:16 |
| Kamion | it might be easier to kludge it by unexcluding silo from debootstrap for now | 11:16 |
| fabbione | Kamion: no rush.... | 11:17 |
| fabbione | it is more important to get the correct kernel | 11:17 |
| fabbione | at least in the beginning | 11:17 |
| Kamion | fabbione: what does the 'ncpus probed' line in /proc/cpuinfo look like? | 11:17 |
| fabbione | ncpus probed : 1 | 11:18 |
| fabbione | this is with 2.6.8 from debian | 11:18 |
| Kamion | fabbione: hm, is linux-sparc64 in your archive? | 11:18 |
| Kamion | it's in restricted ... :) | 11:18 |
| fabbione | Kamion: the most important thing is that i need to figure why the console hangs at the end of the boot process | 11:19 |
| fabbione | isn't that from linux-meta? | 11:19 |
| Kamion | actually it might not be in restricted, haven't checked | 11:19 |
| Kamion | yes | 11:19 |
| mako | bob2: yeah, it may be a problem.. i am making a list of probably borked cds | 11:19 |
| mako | bob2: shipments that is.. i'll be contacting the companya bout them | 11:19 |
| fabbione | linux-sparc64_2.6.9-4_sparc.deb | 11:19 |
| mako | bob2: i have a half a dozen now | 11:19 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i get this in main | 11:20 |
| Kamion | hm | 11:20 |
| Kamion | /var/log/debian-installer/syslog definitely needed to debug | 11:20 |
| fabbione | i did send you the mail.... | 11:20 |
| fabbione | did you get it? | 11:20 |
| Kamion | haven't read mail yet this morning | 11:20 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 11:20 |
| fabbione | take your time | 11:20 |
| fabbione | i need to go and cut my hairs | 11:21 |
| fabbione | + the buildd is catching up | 11:21 |
| fabbione | all that lsb-* is crap on console :-) | 11:21 |
| fabbione | it looks really really really hugly | 11:21 |
| seb128 | doko: here ? | 11:21 |
| wasabi | waaaah | 11:22 |
| === wasabi beats base-config. | ||
| Kamion | wasabi: you know that the username/password stuff is in shadow not base-config, right? | 11:23 |
| wasabi | i can't even get the welcoem screen to go away. | 11:23 |
| wasabi | but no, i didn't. | 11:24 |
| Kamion | # Avoid the introductory message. | 11:24 |
| Kamion | base-config base-config/intro note | 11:24 |
| Kamion | does that not work? | 11:24 |
| wasabi | i have that, and no. | 11:24 |
| wasabi | # Skip the two initial welcome screens. | 11:25 |
| wasabi | base-config base-config/title title | 11:25 |
| wasabi | base-config base-config/intro note | 11:25 |
| wasabi | base-config base-config/login note | 11:25 |
| wasabi | i've got those. | 11:25 |
| wasabi | s/two/three | 11:25 |
| wasabi | heh | 11:25 |
| wasabi | s/two// =/ | 11:25 |
| Kamion | title isn't a question anyway | 11:25 |
| wasabi | yeah i just saw it in debconf-get-selections and figured i'd give it a try | 11:25 |
| Kamion | would probably be easiest to figure out how to get base-config's debconf priority to critical | 11:26 |
| wasabi | so the passwd stuff is shadow now, not passwd? | 11:27 |
| wasabi | the manual says passwd. | 11:27 |
| Kamion | might require adding a base-config/priority template for preseeding; I was ordered to stop Ubuntu copying debconf/priority from the first stage | 11:27 |
| wasabi | or something does, or i wouldn't have done it. | 11:27 |
| Kamion | passwd is from the shadow source package; sure, passwd | 11:27 |
| wasabi | i dont know enough about templates and stuff yet. | 11:28 |
| wasabi | im just a user trying to deploy ubuntu today | 11:28 |
| Kamion | I'm at least partially talking to myself ... :) | 11:28 |
| wasabi | if i can get this working, fai is going to die an ugly death | 11:29 |
| wasabi | because i like this much better. | 11:29 |
| Kamion | ok, how about I add base-config/priority for you now in 2.60ubuntu4 | 11:29 |
| wasabi | for obvious reasons. | 11:29 |
| wasabi | sounds good! | 11:29 |
| wasabi | Yeah I like the idea of having a seperate setting for base-config | 11:30 |
| wasabi | could be useful in certain circumstances. | 11:30 |
| ajmitch_ | morning | 11:32 |
| Kamion | jdub: can I add silo to base for sparc? | 11:39 |
| wasabi | Kamion: are you making that change now or later? just wondering so I can stop paying attention tonight. | 11:42 |
| Kamion | fabbione: aha, you and ia64 share a bug, found it and am fixing now | 11:43 |
| Kamion | wasabi: right after this fix for Fabio | 11:43 |
| wasabi | you dont' have to worry about it | 11:43 |
| Kamion | I think it's important though | 11:43 |
| wasabi | oh okay. ;) | 11:43 |
| Kamion | lamont: tomorrow's CD should fix the ia64 kernel brokenness | 11:44 |
| Kamion | (in d-i) | 11:44 |
| Kamion | wasabi: uploaded. when you see base-config_2.60ubuntu4_all.deb in the archive, try 'base-config base-config/priority select critical' | 11:57 |
| wasabi | super. You rock. | 11:57 |
| wasabi | thank you drive thru | 11:57 |
| Kamion | untested though :) | 11:58 |
| wasabi | fun | 11:59 |
| mvo | Kamion: is the hoary i386-cdimage of today safe to use? | 11:59 |
| Kamion | mvo: no idea, probably not | 11:59 |
| Kamion | mvo: it includes python2.4-minimal and so needs a debootstrap update, which I'm doing now | 12:00 |
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| mvo | is there a date that you can recommend :) ? | 12:01 |
| Kamion | 20041220 would be my first guess but I haven't tried it | 12:01 |
| mvo | ah, thanks | 12:01 |
| mvo | I'll give it a try then. I need a current cd to test upgrading from it | 12:01 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: cool.. what was the bug? | 12:32 |
| fabbione | whoops :-) | 12:33 |
| fabbione | i can see from the changes ;) | 12:33 |
| === wasabi backports base-config/hoarty to warty | ||
| === wasabi hum de dum | ||
| === pitti watches how a SSP-compiled package prevents a buffer overflow exploit | ||
| pitti | fabbione: is there a ppc or i386 dchroot somewhere with kernel build-deps? | 12:55 |
| fabbione | yup | 12:56 |
| fabbione | ppc davis | 12:56 |
| pitti | cool, thanks | 12:57 |
| pitti | fabbione: i386 somewhere? | 12:57 |
| fabbione | i386.. hmm probably macaroni | 12:57 |
| fabbione | otherwise send me the diff and i will build it for you | 12:57 |
| pitti | fabbione: I don't need a full build to start with; I will probably trim down the .config for my host and test there | 12:58 |
| pitti | fabbione: I would like to start with the PaX kernel | 12:59 |
| fabbione | pitti: ah i see | 12:59 |
| fabbione | good luck :-) | 12:59 |
| pitti | fabbione: thanks! | 12:59 |
| pitti | fabbione: btw, SSP really rocks | 12:59 |
| fabbione | pitti: eheheh | 12:59 |
| fabbione | you are a security bitch | 12:59 |
| pitti | fabbione: basically, with SSP you can forget about buffer overflow USNs | 12:59 |
| fabbione | yeah i was there for you taking notes man | 01:00 |
| === fabbione still remembers | ||
| pitti | I know | 01:00 |
| fabbione | "Why don't we chroot X?" | 01:00 |
| pitti | but now I saw it in action | 01:00 |
| pitti | and digged through the theory | 01:00 |
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| pitti | fabbione: it seems that I don't have access to macaroni | 01:02 |
| fabbione | pitti: you need to talk with elmo | 01:02 |
| pitti | fabbione: anyway, let's start with ppc then | 01:02 |
| pitti | fabbione: I do when he returns | 01:02 |
| fabbione | otherwise send me the stuff i will build here | 01:02 |
| === Kamion glares in the general direction of linda | ||
| Kamion | stupid pile of shit deliberately throws away all errors generated about the .changes | 01:13 |
| wasabi | Kamion: priority looks good... somehow I can't find the choice to get past the tiemzone. Asking for the Eastern, Central, etc. | 01:15 |
| wasabi | base-config tzconfig/choose_contry_zone/US select Central | 01:15 |
| Kamion | you've misspelled country there | 01:15 |
| wasabi | HAHA | 01:16 |
| wasabi | ohh geeze | 01:16 |
| wasabi | heh. im at work now... been doing server upgrades all night | 01:17 |
| wasabi | I've been awake 24 hours. Forgive me. | 01:17 |
| Kamion | np :) | 01:17 |
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| sid77 | hi | 01:18 |
| fabbione | the kernel package is insane | 01:25 |
| fabbione | i am not sure i want to redo it from scratch | 01:25 |
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| pitti | seb128: you broke the panel again!!! | 01:36 |
| pitti | seb128: I get bombarded with neverending error dialogs | 01:36 |
| pitti | seb128: :-) | 01:36 |
| seb128 | arf | 01:36 |
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| AndyFitz | okay this is silly. and I have no idea how to resolve the problem. gnome doesnt load and all that is shown is the panel position ( left blank ) and the desktops background colour ( not image ) | 01:47 |
| Treenaks | AndyFitz: apparently logging in a few times fixes it | 01:47 |
| AndyFitz | I thought it was gconfd because even on new user accounts it happens | 01:47 |
| Treenaks | no then it's gnome-vfs-daemon | 01:47 |
| AndyFitz | sorry ill move this to #ubuntu | 01:48 |
| Treenaks | AndyFitz: no, just poke seb128 :) | 01:48 |
| seb128 | killall gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus gnome-panel trashapplet | 01:48 |
| AndyFitz | I've gone as far as to create new user acounts and also to completely reinstall gnome entirely | 01:49 |
| AndyFitz | seb128: it must be gnome-session | 01:49 |
| AndyFitz | because I can load xfce4 fine | 01:49 |
| usual | AndyFitz, hey | 01:50 |
| AndyFitz | and from there 'sometimes' I can loat gnome-panel | 01:50 |
| AndyFitz | hiya usual | 01:50 |
| usual | AndyFitz, havn't seen ya in a while on gaim. | 01:50 |
| usual | doh I got a new screenname, maybe thats why | 01:50 |
| AndyFitz | usual, I've been online on jabber icq irc aol msn etc etc | 01:51 |
| usual | AndyFitz, yea, I forgot I changed my screenname | 01:51 |
| usual | AndyFitz, hows it goin | 01:51 |
| AndyFitz | good but something broke my gnome :P | 01:51 |
| usual | what happens? | 01:51 |
| AndyFitz | see above | 01:52 |
| usual | ahh | 01:52 |
| usual | AndyFitz, are your panels there but blank? | 01:52 |
| AndyFitz | yep | 01:53 |
| AndyFitz | but only sometimes | 01:53 |
| AndyFitz | I think if I've uses sudo recently they seem to work although I'm not sure | 01:54 |
| usual | AndyFitz, it happened to me too yesterday and the day before, but it seems fine now | 01:54 |
| AndyFitz | uses = used | 01:54 |
| usual | AndyFitz, I nuked the .hastodowithgnomedir's and it seemed to have helped | 01:54 |
| AndyFitz | I already tried nuking them | 01:55 |
| AndyFitz | the problem came back | 01:55 |
| usual | :( | 01:55 |
| AndyFitz | it was fixed for one login | 01:55 |
| usual | AndyFitz, hows the icon set coming btw | 01:56 |
| usual | looks good | 01:56 |
| AndyFitz | usual, thanks I'm reworking them to suit brisgeek.com/etiquette/ | 01:57 |
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| usual | AndyFitz, full set for gnome? | 01:58 |
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| AndyFitz | andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etiquette-icons.tar.gz is there but very incomplete | 01:58 |
| usual | AndyFitz, I came across your site for it the other day on gnome-look.org, I like it all but the metacity theme | 01:59 |
| AndyFitz | usual: theres over 2,000 icons in whats considered a full set for gnome :-/ and I keep changing styles / xml rules | 01:59 |
| usual | ah | 01:59 |
| AndyFitz | the metacity theme I have in the gimp screenshot ? | 02:00 |
| AndyFitz | its also here http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/icons.png | 02:00 |
| haggai | pitti: pong :) | 02:01 |
| AndyFitz | the hover state for the buttons shows their type | 02:01 |
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| usual | yea, it looks alot better in thie shot | 02:01 |
| usual | AndyFitz, can't wait to give them a try | 02:02 |
| usual | nice trashcan | 02:02 |
| AndyFitz | roberTO did that for the milk gtk theme I really like it yeah but was going to make my own pixmap based gtk theme first before considering what metacity to use | 02:02 |
| usual | k | 02:03 |
| AndyFitz | usual, download and check them out now , I'm currently using them at 16x16 on my gnome-panel, they were designed to scale below my other stuff | 02:04 |
| usual | AndyFitz, are they avilible somewhere | 02:04 |
| AndyFitz | andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etiquette-icons.tar.gz | 02:04 |
| AndyFitz | should work | 02:05 |
| fabbione | bob2: the BenH patch doesn't even compile | 02:05 |
| usual | got em | 02:05 |
| fabbione | arch/ppc/platforms/pmac_cache.S: Assembler messages: | 02:05 |
| fabbione | arch/ppc/platforms/pmac_cache.S:49: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `dssall' | 02:05 |
| fabbione | arch/ppc/platforms/pmac_cache.S:167: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `dssall' | 02:05 |
| fabbione | bum | 02:05 |
| AndyFitz | the default size is 48x48 like normal pixmap icons. lila, gartoon and the industrial gnome-vfs icons are all 92x92 I think | 02:06 |
| Kamion | that's odd, it compiled fine for me | 02:06 |
| usual | AndyFitz, wierd, I put them in the icon folder, it shows the icon in the theme app, but no icons changed | 02:06 |
| robtaylor | hey, is hoary working enough now that its worth upgrading to? | 02:06 |
| usual | robtaylor, I use it daily with little trouble | 02:07 |
| robtaylor | usual: cool, upgrade it is then ;) | 02:07 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i am using -7.diff on davis... | 02:07 |
| AndyFitz | usual: that happens sometimes with gnome-themes-manager , next login they will work | 02:07 |
| usual | ok | 02:07 |
| usual | brb | 02:07 |
| Kamion | fabbione: which flavour is failing? | 02:08 |
| fabbione | power3 | 02:08 |
| fabbione | at least... | 02:08 |
| Kamion | DSSALL is used in other places in arch/ppc/ | 02:08 |
| fabbione | this is the first one that gets to build | 02:08 |
| fabbione | yes i know.. but they don't get compiled on power3 apparently | 02:09 |
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| Kamion | best ask benh I suspect | 02:09 |
| mvo | ping doko | 02:09 |
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| fabbione | yeah.. they don't get compiled | 02:10 |
| fabbione | probably is just an ifdef somewhere | 02:10 |
| Kamion | elmo_away: please sync groff 1.18.1.1-5 from Debian | 02:11 |
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| pitti | Kamion: sorry for the groff upload; I worked through a modem yesterday and didn't bother to check sid again | 02:13 |
| Kamion | np | 02:13 |
| fabbione | Kamion: can you confirm that the patch is used only by power4 ? | 02:13 |
| Kamion | fabbione: deny | 02:14 |
| Kamion | power4 != G4 | 02:14 |
| fabbione | (for what is my understanding of ppc arch anyway) | 02:14 |
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| Kamion | I don't know if it should be used only by the powerpc flavours; it contains a number of other updates beyond just sleep so I'd be wary of making that assumption | 02:15 |
| fabbione | Kamion: how can i identify that via CONFIG_* in the kernel? | 02:15 |
| Kamion | don't try, ask benh to fix it :) | 02:15 |
| fabbione | Kamion: the other changes are more generic | 02:15 |
| Kamion | I know | 02:15 |
| fabbione | and they compile (therefor they can be shipped) on all the other arches | 02:15 |
| fabbione | ;) | 02:15 |
| pitti | so it compiles, it ... ? | 02:16 |
| Kamion | CONFIG_6xx is the kernel used on most powerpc systems, including G4 laptops | 02:16 |
| Kamion | G5 systems are CONFIG_POWER4 | 02:17 |
| Kamion | I would imagine we'll see PowerBook G5 systems in a year or two | 02:17 |
| fabbione | hopefully in one year or two all this extra patching won't be required | 02:20 |
| fabbione | it looks like that only power3 doesn't have that DSSALL | 02:23 |
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| Kamion | fabbione: where's DSSALL defined? | 02:26 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ENOCLUE | 02:26 |
| fabbione | it looks like something in binutils | 02:26 |
| fabbione | grep doesn't return anything useful | 02:26 |
| srbaker | anyone know of squeak packages for ubuntu? | 02:27 |
| srbaker | or, even squeak for debian that i could recompile? | 02:27 |
| Treenaks | squeak? | 02:27 |
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| Treenaks | Simira: same one, or cooler one? :P) | 02:27 |
| Simira | squeak, Treenaks | 02:27 |
| srbaker | smalltalk environment | 02:27 |
| Simira | Treenaks: cooler, of course. The old one isn't in sale anymore | 02:28 |
| srbaker | grrrr. | 02:29 |
| srbaker | need /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 02:29 |
| Treenaks | srbaker: submit a patch | 02:29 |
| srbaker | Treenaks, i intend to as soon as i move | 02:29 |
| srbaker | it's on my tomboy list :P | 02:29 |
| srbaker | speaking of which, i need hoary packages for f-spot and tomboy. | 02:30 |
| srbaker | anyone know? | 02:30 |
| mvo | srbaker: there is a patch in the bts for /etc/apt/sources.list.d. we'll get it eventually :) | 02:30 |
| srbaker | okay. so now the only thing i need to increase my productivity is moisturizing cream that doesn't make my hands feel greasy | 02:34 |
| mvo | srbaker: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=66325 | 02:36 |
| srbaker | cool | 02:36 |
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| robtaylor | carlos: had time to look at accessd yet?? | 03:09 |
| robtaylor | pitti: would you like to take a look? | 03:10 |
| pitti | robtaylor: I'm in a bit of a hurry right now | 03:10 |
| pitti | robtaylor: but in general I'd like to look at it | 03:11 |
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| Kamion | Keybuk: signkey uses "$name's" in a couple of places, which in Perl is the same as $name::s | 03:11 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: care to fix that to ${name}'s? | 03:11 |
| pitti | robtaylor: is there a tarball/pdf/whatever to look at? | 03:11 |
| robtaylor | pitti: no rush, but when you're not busy let me know and i'll take you through it | 03:11 |
| pitti | robtaylor: a guided tour? That'll be nice! :-) | 03:11 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: (or $name\'s) | 03:12 |
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| robtaylor | pitti: http://sourcecontrol.net/~rtaylor/ has accessd and dbus packages with extra python bindings | 03:12 |
| robtaylor | s/accessd/my accessd arch repo mirror/ | 03:13 |
| srbaker | how do i completely disable OSS? | 03:13 |
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| pitti | Hi trulux | 03:15 |
| pitti | trulux: I tried your ssp packages. Rock! | 03:15 |
| pitti | trulux: it is really cool | 03:15 |
| pitti | trulux: to actually put it into Hoary, I'd like to see two things: | 03:15 |
| pitti | trulux: 1) rename the packages to *-ssp | 03:16 |
| pitti | trulux: 2) modify the gcc-ssp-3.4 wrapper program to include the necessary settings (-lssp and -fstack-protector) | 03:16 |
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| pitti | trulux: otherwise I played around with it a little, looks nice | 03:17 |
| lamont | Kamion: you around? | 03:17 |
| trulux | hey pitti | 03:17 |
| lamont | seb128: around? | 03:17 |
| seb128 | lamont: yep | 03:18 |
| trulux | pitti, why the name change? nothing is different (in usability terms) | 03:18 |
| Kamion | what's this total python b0rkage? | 03:18 |
| Kamion | /bin/sh: /usr/bin/mklibs: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory | 03:18 |
| trulux | the warpper is (almost) ready | 03:18 |
| jdahlin | what's up with archive.u.c? | 03:18 |
| trulux | just needs packaging | 03:18 |
| pitti | trulux: because we already have such a source and binary package? (and, btw, a newer one) | 03:19 |
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| trulux | pitti, i can send you the patches | 03:19 |
| trulux | in order to get the stuff without pain in newerr versions | 03:19 |
| Kamion | trulux: we can't just drop something straight into hoary without seeing how it works elsewhere first | 03:19 |
| trulux | what do you think? | 03:19 |
| Kamion | a separate package for the meantime is extremely useful. | 03:19 |
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| Kamion | otherwise you're asking a great deal of faith from us | 03:20 |
| pitti | trulux: and it would be cool to integrate -lssp and -fstack-protector into the wrapper, so that these do not need to be specified explicitly | 03:20 |
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| trulux | pitti, that could be done in an easy way | 03:20 |
| pitti | trulux: the plan is to have completely separate packages for a while | 03:20 |
| pitti | trulux: and when they prove good and we are reasonable sure to 1) not break anything and 2) we have a chance of sustainable support, then we can talk about putting them into main | 03:21 |
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| pitti | trulux: oh: and gcc-ssp packages should depend on libssp-dev | 03:22 |
| trulux | pitti, yes | 03:22 |
| pitti | trulux: thanks! see you later | 03:22 |
| trulux | pitti, i will send you the patches | 03:23 |
| trulux | Kamion, anyway, i did the stuff in the way i thought it's the best | 03:23 |
| trulux | and non-enabled by default is the best way | 03:23 |
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| trulux | i must go too | 03:26 |
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| srbaker | is it possible to comppletely disable OSS? | 03:30 |
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| yann__ | hi | 03:35 |
| === yann__ still trying to get in touch with ubuntu developers/webmasters, to *officialize* a french support site for Ubuntu | ||
| Treenaks | yann__: if you find them, tell me how you did it :) | 03:36 |
| Treenaks | yann__: I might need it for the Dutch site :) | 03:37 |
| yann__ | didn't they answer to your emails either ? | 03:37 |
| yann__ | Treenaks > let's see your website :) | 03:37 |
| Treenaks | yann__: www.ubuntulinux.nl and www.ubuntu-linux.nl (run by the same guy, need to be integrated) | 03:38 |
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| tim1 | hello | 03:39 |
| tim1 | is this the right channel to discuss rosetta ? | 03:39 |
| sivang | tim1: theres a rosetta chaneel :) | 03:39 |
| sivang | tim1: join #rosetta | 03:39 |
| mako | Kamion, elmo_away: so theoretically, there is a community council meetining today, right? | 03:42 |
| mako | Kamion: apparently, it will be just me and you | 03:42 |
| sivang | mako: also wondered about that :) | 03:42 |
| mako | elmo seems away and sabdfl as well | 03:42 |
| mako | well, there a couple country teams on the agenda | 03:43 |
| mako | and one more i suspect if sivang has anything to do with it | 03:43 |
| sivang | mako : yes :) | 03:43 |
| lamont | elmo is away | 03:43 |
| mako | lamont: do you know about sabdfl? | 03:43 |
| mako | smurfix: you around? | 03:44 |
| Treenaks | well, at least I'm here :) | 03:44 |
| lamont | no clue, but wouldn't surprise me, given his 'take some down time' comments at the conf | 03:44 |
| mako | i'm trying to decide if we have can go ahead with the meeting | 03:44 |
| mako | lamont: do you know elmo's story | 03:44 |
| mako | lamont: basically, will he be back in 1.25h? | 03:45 |
| lamont | doko!! | 03:46 |
| yann__ | Treenaks > www.ubuntu-fr.org | 03:47 |
| yann__ | :) | 03:47 |
| lamont | mako: dunno. ISTR him saying something about a week of holiday right after the conf | 03:47 |
| mako | hmm.. ok | 03:47 |
| mako | well.. i can call mark and see if he's gonna be around at all this week | 03:48 |
| mako | otherwise, this stuff will be put off until at least after new years | 03:48 |
| mako | Kamion: it may be our chance to ram through otherwise controverisal proposal | 03:49 |
| sivang | mako: I reckon most people need some time off after the conference, we could probably manage with only some brief discussions for country teams and others.. | 03:49 |
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| yann__ | Treenaks > how many mails did you sent? is it worth trying again? :) | 03:50 |
| Treenaks | yann__: none yet, because the merging isn't done yet | 03:50 |
| yann__ | we've got a forum that's already open, the site is comnig soon... but still can't get in touch with ubuntu's team | 03:51 |
| sivang | enrico: hi! | 03:51 |
| enrico | sivang: hi! | 03:52 |
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| Kamion | mako: hmm. does two out of four count as a majority? | 04:00 |
| smurfix | mako: yep, just came home | 04:00 |
| haggai | is Jane still on holiday? | 04:01 |
| Kamion | mako: elmo said he'd be away from tomorrow, which I took to mean that he'd be here today | 04:01 |
| mako | well, mark will l come | 04:02 |
| mako | i just talked to him on the phone | 04:02 |
| Kamion | ah, ok | 04:02 |
| Keybuk | hmm, hal is working today. yesterday it refused to play, today I get an "IAUDIO" window popping up. strange thing, I think my camera actually kills it | 04:08 |
| smurfix | mako: | 04:12 |
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| mako | smurfix: want to prepare a short thing about country teams goals and such to present at the meeting | 04:15 |
| mako | smurfix: i'm going to prepare a short summary from the nm bof | 04:15 |
| smurfix | mako: I'll be at the meeting | 04:16 |
| mako | smurfix: awesome.. i'll put an introduction on the agneda | 04:16 |
| sivang | mako: are you going to discuss the NM process on the CC meeting? | 04:16 |
| zul | when is the meeting? | 04:17 |
| smurfix | OK, I'll say a few words about country team stuff then | 04:17 |
| smurfix | zul: 1600 UTC | 04:17 |
| yann__ | \o/ | 04:17 |
| zul | smurfix: k thanks | 04:17 |
| lamont | haggai: my understanding is that Jane is still on holiday. she is checking email occasionally, apparently | 04:18 |
| Treenaks | how long do these meetings take, usually? | 04:19 |
| sivang | Treenaks: hmm, that depends :) | 04:21 |
| Treenaks | minutes, hours, days, weeks | 04:21 |
| sivang | Treenaks: there have been ones that took more then 2 hours :) | 04:21 |
| Treenaks | sivang: I've heard of 5-minute ones | 04:21 |
| sivang | Treenaks: there have beem, well, TB meetings tend to take much much longer. | 04:22 |
| Kamion | shortest has been 15 minutes IIRC | 04:22 |
| Treenaks | my boss won't like a >1hr one (closing down the building, setting the alarm and stuff :)) | 04:22 |
| zul | Treenaks: tell your boss to be patient :) | 04:23 |
| Treenaks | zul: 8) | 04:23 |
| mako | sivang: i'd like to | 04:24 |
| haggai | lamont: thanks :) | 04:26 |
| mako | are there any NM's for the meeting that need CC approval | 04:26 |
| mako | haggai: did we approve you yet? | 04:26 |
| mako | or do we need to? | 04:26 |
| haggai | mako: yup, I'm all done | 04:27 |
| mako | good | 04:27 |
| Treenaks | mako: NMs or "ubuntites"? | 04:27 |
| mako | there were a handful of people that raised their hand at the NM meeting | 04:27 |
| mako | Treenaks: sorry, "UBUNTITES" | 04:27 |
| Treenaks | mako: I was one of those :) | 04:27 |
| mako | we can add you to the list | 04:27 |
| Treenaks | OK, great | 04:27 |
| mako | Treenaks: actually, go add yourself :) | 04:28 |
| mako | CommunityCouncilAgenda | 04:28 |
| Treenaks | mako: hm, need to hack together a wiki page on myself then :) | 04:28 |
| Treenaks | probably | 04:28 |
| sivang | mako: development maintainers needs be approved by technical contribs right? | 04:28 |
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| Kamion | sivang: by the tech board | 04:33 |
| sivang | Kamion: ah ok :) | 04:33 |
| ChrisH | mako: Did you find a chance to review the NM draft? | 04:35 |
| mako | ChrisH: sure.. it will have to be super quick | 04:35 |
| smurfix | mako: next time write "smurf" instead of misspelling my name please ;-) | 04:38 |
| sivang | mako: could you reminde me what being an UBUNTITES mean? :) | 04:39 |
| mako | i spelled it right once and then mispelled it when i lost my change, i swear :) | 04:41 |
| lamont | fabbione: you around? | 04:41 |
| mako | sivang: basically you can vote and such but not upload packages | 04:41 |
| mako | sivang: i think you should put yourself down for that | 04:41 |
| mako | people with visible contributions to the community who want to be enfranchised | 04:41 |
| sivang | mako: ok, I'll go list my name there - already have a page :) | 04:41 |
| sivang | mako: but there is not "new ubuntites" page :) | 04:42 |
| Treenaks | sivang: 1 second | 04:43 |
| mako | well, make one, it's a wiki after all :) | 04:43 |
| sivang | ok, let's rock it on! (as jdub says ) | 04:43 |
| Treenaks | there's an entry on the agenda page now | 04:43 |
| Treenaks | sivang: edit now :) | 04:43 |
| sivang | Treenaks: done:) | 04:44 |
| sivang | mako: what about doc maintainership? is it the same like being a ubuntites? | 04:44 |
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| mako | sivang: yes | 04:47 |
| mako | Kamion: i want that patch | 04:47 |
| Kamion | currently it's too horrible for words and hardcodes my key ... :) | 04:48 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: package it up when you fix that :) | 04:49 |
| Kamion | (well, keyid, anyway) | 04:49 |
| smurfix | Kamion: So use $ENV{SIGN_KEYID} and complain if that's not set ;-) | 04:52 |
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| mojo | can some ppl here confirm this bug for me: (not sure my mistake or bug) | 04:59 |
| mojo | I have a error msg in synaptic each time I update | 05:00 |
| mojo | [Invalid UTF-8] Could not parse file '/usr/share/applications/ooo645calc.desktop': | 05:00 |
| mojo | desktop entry contain line 'Comment[ca] =Fulla de c\xc3| lcul d'OpenOffice.org' which is not UTF-8 | 05:00 |
| Mithrandir | mojo: it's a known issue | 05:00 |
| yann__ | wow, if this is a place to report bugs, i got a bug in gthumb (warty) :) | 05:00 |
| Mithrandir | yann__: bugzilla.ubuntu.com | 05:00 |
| yann__ | Mithrandir > i know, i know :| | 05:00 |
| yann__ | ok i'll try. | 05:01 |
| mojo | thx for the info, at least I know it's not my mistake | 05:01 |
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| fabbione | lamont: now | 05:56 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: the ibook thingy can compile only on 6xx | 06:19 |
| fabbione | so powerpc kernels | 06:19 |
| Kamion | ok | 06:20 |
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| === fabbione since watching the kernel compilation IS boring | ||
| sivang | smurfix: ping | 06:23 |
| pitti | fabbione: will the next kernel build system include an animated colorful cartoon strip to make it more interesting? | 06:23 |
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| smurfix | sivang: | 06:26 |
| sivang | smurfix: that in jap or chineese? | 06:28 |
| sivang | :) | 06:28 |
| sivang | smurfix: anyway, we still don't have an ubuntu-il mailing list :) | 06:29 |
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| smurfix | sivang: That's "pong". | 06:30 |
| sivang | smurfix: also, do we already have anything for making derived distros wrt to locality? | 06:30 |
| sivang | smurfix: in what lang? :) | 06:30 |
| smurfix | sivang: Chinese of course. | 06:31 |
| smurfix | sivang: I dunno wo's responsible for the mailing lists, I just know it's not me ;-) | 06:31 |
| smurfix | who's | 06:31 |
| smurfix | sivang: easily making derived distros is on the agends for post-hoary. | 06:32 |
| Kamion | sigh, need to add python-minimal to debootstrap as well as python2.4-minimal now ... | 06:34 |
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| tseng | has anyone noticed problems with the security update login package in warty? | 06:35 |
| tseng | google and gmane say no | 06:35 |
| pitti | tseng: no, what do you mean? | 06:35 |
| pitti | Hi elmo | 06:36 |
| tseng | booting it gives me a big dump of cant execute /sbin/agetty | 06:36 |
| pitti | elmo: Mark asked me to rename debstriptranslations to pkgstriptranslations | 06:36 |
| tseng | then it respawns to fast, and init gives up completely | 06:36 |
| pitti | elmo: I guess that means that debstriptranslations will be removed and I upload a new package pktstriptranslations? | 06:37 |
| pitti | tseng: This is not a login problem | 06:37 |
| elmo | pitti: just upload the new package for now | 06:37 |
| pitti | tseng: this rather sounds like the udev race condition | 06:37 |
| elmo | preferably soon, as I'm on holiday from tomorrow on | 06:37 |
| tseng | pitti: oh =/ | 06:37 |
| pitti | elmo: okay, I'll do | 06:38 |
| pitti | tseng: sometimes the text consoles just say byebye | 06:38 |
| pitti | tseng: BTW, we did not make a security update of 'login'. What do you mean in particular? | 06:38 |
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| bob2 | fabbione: hrm, ok | 06:39 |
| tseng | well i did a clean install of warty, then dist-upgrade from security, universe, and main | 06:39 |
| tseng | and it grabbed a new login | 06:39 |
| Kamion | elmo: could you sync groff 1.18.1.1-5 from Debian please? | 06:39 |
| tseng | pitti: sorry its a bit hard to report better, as its not finishing init | 06:40 |
| elmo | Kamion: done | 06:42 |
| Kamion | thanks | 06:43 |
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| Kamion | fabbione: the silo-installer/silo thing is fixed in d-i svn | 06:50 |
| pitti | elmo: I uploaded pkgstriptranslations. | 06:50 |
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| tseng | pitti: i found my bug.. inittab is all wrong | 07:03 |
| pitti | tseng: ugh, did you modify it or is it wrong by default? | 07:03 |
| tseng | i didnt modify it, not sure how it got this way | 07:04 |
| tseng | will one from hoary do? | 07:05 |
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| pitti | tseng: what's wrong with the inittab? | 07:07 |
| tseng | its calling /sbin/agetty | 07:07 |
| tseng | and /sbin/rc | 07:07 |
| tseng | which dont even exist | 07:07 |
| tseng | i think someone copied over it | 07:09 |
| pitti | tseng: I doubt that inittab says agetty by default | 07:10 |
| pitti | tseng: this would have breaked on each and every installation | 07:10 |
| tseng | yeah someone was f'ing with it | 07:10 |
| tseng | i appologize | 07:11 |
| pitti | tseng: no worries :-) | 07:12 |
| pitti | tseng: were you able to restore it? | 07:12 |
| pitti | tseng: I can send you the default version if necessary | 07:13 |
| tseng | yes, but im totally baffled as to who wouldve copied another distros inittab over this one | 07:13 |
| tseng | heh, i have one here now that i know what is up | 07:13 |
| elmo | Kamion: I'm beginning to think grub and scrubbing disks REALLY don't agree | 07:13 |
| Kamion | elmo: hmm? | 07:14 |
| elmo | I just got that stupid grub failure when reinstalling a DL380 | 07:14 |
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| elmo | then again, lilo doesn't work either. meh. | 07:15 |
| Kamion | scrubbing disks? | 07:15 |
| elmo | today sucks. | 07:15 |
| elmo | kamion: when you first create a RAID array and it syncs thems | 07:15 |
| Kamion | it would probably be good for me to learn something about RAID, wouldn't it? | 07:15 |
| elmo | yeah, I'm getting exactly the same error as on the Dell's | 07:16 |
| elmo | in that bug-from-hell | 07:16 |
| Kamion | is that the HPT370 one? | 07:17 |
| elmo | nah | 07:17 |
| elmo | one sec | 07:17 |
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| Kamion | locales suck | 07:19 |
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| elmo | hmm, I closed the bug. go me. | 07:20 |
| jdub | it's your birthday. | 07:20 |
| maswan | elmo: did you see my note about bittorrent tracker? | 07:20 |
| elmo | maswan: the port thing? | 07:21 |
| maswan | elmo: yeah | 07:21 |
| elmo | maswan: yeah, thanks | 07:22 |
| elmo | Kamion: 2211 | 07:22 |
| Kamion | elmo: same failure mode as at the start of that bug? | 07:24 |
| elmo | right | 07:24 |
| elmo | gar, and it's going take eons to scrub half a fricking terabyte | 07:24 |
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| Kamion | can you arrange to add the debug command to grub-installer's grub invocation? | 07:25 |
| Kamion | or even run the grub commands by hand in the grub shell | 07:25 |
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| elmo | dump (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage1 /tmp/grbdfsbdfsgaz is failing | 07:26 |
| elmo | with "file not found" | 07:26 |
| lamont | anyone need anything before I run? | 07:26 |
| lamont | oh. elmo's here. cool | 07:27 |
| elmo | Kamion: there's some strace's in p.u.c/~james that mdz and I looked at before, there's very little difference between working and broken; I'll try and get some more tho | 07:27 |
| Kamion | grub straces are depressingly uninformative sometimes :( | 07:30 |
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| Kamion | as mdz said in the bug, it looks like working-strace was when booted from the hard disk? | 07:31 |
| elmo | right | 07:32 |
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| === pitti pats his new PaX enabled kernel | ||
| tseng | yay for pax! | 07:39 |
| === Kamion wonders how many locales he can enable on this box before it explodes | ||
| Kamion | elmo: I'm kind of way out of ideas :-( | 07:40 |
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| pitti | tseng: it fends off the buffer overflow exploit as well as SSP | 07:40 |
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| tseng | pitti: im very familiar with pax | 07:41 |
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| pitti | tseng: what do you think, is either one (ssp/pax) already enough or should we strive to get both? | 07:42 |
| tseng | pitti: well, both is ideal | 07:42 |
| tseng | because pax has 0 protection against ret2libc | 07:42 |
| tseng | well, not 0, just adds security-by-obscurity | 07:43 |
| pitti | tseng: I will put a PaX enabled kernel into universe when I finished the porting to 2.6.9 | 07:43 |
| tseng | oh wow | 07:43 |
| elmo | Kamion: no prob - can you remind me the equivalent of grub-installer for lilo tho? I need at least one bootloader on this thing :) | 07:43 |
| pitti | tseng: do you happen to know somebody who already did that | 07:43 |
| tseng | pitti: yes | 07:43 |
| pitti | tseng: s//?/ | 07:43 |
| tseng | the author | 07:43 |
| pitti | tseng: on the hp there is only a patch for 2.6.7 | 07:43 |
| tseng | yes | 07:43 |
| Kamion | elmo: lilo-installer | 07:43 |
| fabbione | elmo: lilo-installer? | 07:44 |
| fabbione | argh ;) | 07:44 |
| Kamion | anna should install it by default | 07:44 |
| pitti | tseng: the rejections are not bad, but cause a bit of work | 07:44 |
| elmo | hmm, no lilo in the base system atm | 07:45 |
| elmo | I guess the "Install lilo" step is spassing out real early | 07:45 |
| Kamion | elmo: doesn't need to be, lilo-installer will apt-install it as needed | 07:45 |
| elmo | oh | 07:45 |
| Kamion | if it's used | 07:45 |
| elmo | eh, sorry, to be stupid, but you're saying I should be able to just run 'lilo-installer' from shell? | 07:46 |
| Kamion | no - are you in the d-i environment? | 07:46 |
| elmo | yes | 07:47 |
| Kamion | back up to the main menu and select the menu item to install lilo | 07:47 |
| fabbione | elmo: *cough*sparc*cough* are you having some fun at the dc? | 07:47 |
| elmo | I tried that | 07:47 |
| Kamion | you can try udpkg --configure lilo-installer too | 07:47 |
| elmo | it just says an error occured, and there's nothing helpful on the log tailing screen | 07:47 |
| elmo | what file is that thing tailing? | 07:47 |
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| Kamion | tty3 tails /var/log/messages, tty4 tails /var/log/syslog | 07:47 |
| jdub | /bin/sh: /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory | 07:49 |
| jdub | 07:49 | |
| elmo | sweeet | 07:49 |
| Kamion | fixed in new python-defaults | 07:49 |
| Kamion | or install python-minimal | 07:49 |
| elmo | Kamion: ok, so it's just saying lilo-installer exited with status 1, meh | 07:49 |
| Kamion | elmo: stick 'set -x' at the top of the postinst | 07:50 |
| jdub | Kamion: probably getting that in this upgrade | 07:50 |
| elmo | LOL | 07:50 |
| elmo | it's looking for part156378345346 | 07:50 |
| Kamion | welcome to d-i debugging | 07:50 |
| Kamion | wow | 07:50 |
| elmo | (or so) | 07:50 |
| elmo | Kamion: do the final releases have "Unofficial" in the README.diskdefines ? | 07:51 |
| Kamion | can you see what bootfs_devfs and bootfs are being set to? | 07:51 |
| elmo | this'd be so much easier if we had wireless in here and I could do this without the to-fro | 07:52 |
| jdub | Errors were encountered while processing: | 07:52 |
| jdub | linda | 07:52 |
| jdub | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 07:52 |
| jdub | heh | 07:52 |
| Kamion | elmo: no | 07:52 |
| Kamion | that'd be linda wanting python ... | 07:53 |
| elmo | ah, okay, maybe I should start from the beginning and burn a fresh CD then | 07:53 |
| Kamion | well, I dunno what'd have been fixed, but I suppose it can't hurt to try ... | 07:53 |
| Kamion | elmo: where's the line with Unofficial? | 07:53 |
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| elmo | DISKNAME says "Unofficial binary-i386" in it at the end | 07:54 |
| elmo | fabbione: :( | 07:54 |
| Kamion | #define DISKNAME Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" - Preview i386 Binary-1 | 07:54 |
| elmo | this is just a CD which I had lieing around, it could date back to like, June.. | 07:55 |
| fabbione | elmo: good luck.. | 07:55 |
| Kamion | I can't even remember when I removed Unofficial; certainly before the preview, but I'm not sure when | 07:55 |
| elmo | ok, trashing and burning fresh from releases.u.c | 07:56 |
| fabbione | pitti: ping? | 07:56 |
| Kamion | Automatically selecting en_GB.UTF-8 locale in addition to en_GB. | 07:57 |
| Kamion | that text look OK? | 07:57 |
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| jon1012 | hi :) | 07:58 |
| Kamion | any suggestions for how to record that /etc/locale.gen has been migrated to UTF-8? if the user later removes the UTF-8 locales, that choice should be respected | 07:59 |
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| jon1012 | someone when the mono-assemblies-arch and mono-assemblies-base 1.04-1 will be available ? | 08:09 |
| jon1012 | (one the hoary repositories) | 08:09 |
| jon1012 | beucause impossible to use any mono package until then :/ | 08:10 |
| jon1012 | (especially monodevelop) | 08:10 |
| tseng | mono apps work for me. | 08:11 |
| jon1012 | mmh... when have you updated the packages for the last time ? :/ | 08:12 |
| jon1012 | try to update or reinstall monodevelop and you will see :( | 08:12 |
| jon1012 | everything is broken because these two package are not here | 08:12 |
| jon1012 | mmh they are here but in version 1.0.2-1 while mono-jit asks for 1.0.4-1 | 08:13 |
| jon1012 | :/ | 08:13 |
| tseng | from archive.ubuntu.com? | 08:13 |
| jon1012 | yes | 08:13 |
| tseng | no such problem here. | 08:13 |
| jon1012 | ? | 08:14 |
| jon1012 | I update my apt-get each day to see if there is a fix... | 08:14 |
| jon1012 | but didn't see it :( | 08:15 |
| jon1012 | (in hoary) | 08:15 |
| elmo | fabbione: please shout when you're done with davis | 08:21 |
| Simira | anyone else got some tips for how to mount my digital camera? | 08:23 |
| Treenaks | Simira: what kind of cam is it | 08:24 |
| Simira | Canon powershot | 08:24 |
| elmo | Kamion: doh, same error with fresh CD, meh | 08:30 |
| mooch | open wifi aps make baby jesus happy | 08:34 |
| Simira | Treenaks: : you had a suggestion, or you just wanted to know about my new cam? | 08:35 |
| Treenaks | Simira: canon powershot? | 08:35 |
| Treenaks | Simira: open gthumb, file -> import photos | 08:36 |
| Treenaks | Simira: it'll be detected automagically | 08:36 |
| ogra | Simira: doent it getmounted automatically ? | 08:36 |
| ogra | +s | 08:36 |
| Treenaks | ogra: powershots use PTP.. they're not mass-storage :( | 08:36 |
| Simira | hum | 08:36 |
| Simira | *tries* | 08:36 |
| ogra | Treenaks: bah.... | 08:36 |
| Simira | I like the cam, though | 08:37 |
| ogra | Treenaks: i love my ole olympus | 08:37 |
| Treenaks | Simira: which one? the A85? | 08:37 |
| Treenaks | ogra: Good Ole'ympus ;) | 08:37 |
| Simira | no, only an A400. A little bit better than the old one. | 08:37 |
| ogra | *g* | 08:37 |
| Treenaks | Simira: you've seen mine right? that's a A75 | 08:37 |
| ogra | Simira: was yours insured ? | 08:37 |
| Simira | yes, it was | 08:38 |
| ogra | wow, lucky girl;) | 08:38 |
| Simira | well, not the cam, but my travel insurance covered it | 08:39 |
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| Treenaks | ogra: mine is ;) | 08:40 |
| Treenaks | I'm doing 100M/day on it 8) | 08:40 |
| ogra | probably there should be a place to upload for all the ppl that can not pay for the traffic..... | 08:40 |
| ogra | Treenaks: looks similar for mine | 08:41 |
| Simira | it won't detect my camera :-/ | 08:41 |
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| ogra | but there were loads of ppl taking pictures..... | 08:42 |
| Simira | bob2 hasn't put up his, and Tollef. And Mako. Among others | 08:42 |
| Treenaks | bob2 should :) | 08:42 |
| amu | is there a way the xorg config could be done by xorg itself? without a user input, or i've to run the old mkxf86config? | 08:42 |
| Treenaks | Simira: I've seen tollef's pics.. | 08:42 |
| Treenaks | Simira: or at least some of those | 08:42 |
| Simira | yep | 08:43 |
| Treenaks | amu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? | 08:43 |
| Simira | hm | 08:43 |
| Simira | *grumble* | 08:43 |
| mako | Simira: i won't until i get home | 08:43 |
| ogra | Simira: yep....he has made a really beutiful one of me in the bar | 08:43 |
| Simira | :) hehe | 08:43 |
| ogra | +a | 08:43 |
| Treenaks | amu: otherwise: "dexconf" | 08:43 |
| Simira | hm... but I still can't get my camera on Ubuntu... hrmf | 08:43 |
| Treenaks | Simira: it's not detected by gthumb? | 08:44 |
| Treenaks | Simira: it should be in "play" mode, otherwise it won't be detected | 08:44 |
| Treenaks | (if it's like mine) | 08:44 |
| amu | Treenaks: it works also if there's no debconf data? need it for the livecd | 08:45 |
| Simira | hm, ok | 08:45 |
| Simira | yay | 08:46 |
| Simira | it worked | 08:46 |
| ogra | hmm, yesterday i saw daniels saying that the detection stuff is done by xorg itself.....probably he changed something | 08:46 |
| Simira | mako: you're still stuck in Spain??? | 08:46 |
| mako | Simira: stuck is perhaps not the best term | 08:46 |
| Simira | ah, Daniels also took a lot of picks | 08:46 |
| mako | Simira: i'm in valencia staying with jordi | 08:46 |
| ogra | heh | 08:46 |
| amu | ogra: good question, daniels is away | 08:47 |
| Simira | mako: so, holiday-vacationing, eh? | 08:47 |
| ogra | amu: i heard he is on holiday now.... | 08:47 |
| pitti | tseng: guess what? the whole grsecurity patch applies cleanly against the patched Ubuntu kernel source :-) | 08:50 |
| tseng | pitti: wonderful, i had a feeling it would | 08:50 |
| tseng | im using it in a pretty big patchset myself | 08:50 |
| pitti | tseng: the back of my head always reminded me about long-winded discussions in Debian about the non-applicability to Debian kernels... | 08:50 |
| pitti | fabbione: around and have a minute? | 08:52 |
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| pitti | tseng: oops, there are two rejections | 09:02 |
| wasabi_ | yay! | 09:06 |
| wasabi_ | got my cd's just now | 09:06 |
| wasabi_ | wow this are slick | 09:06 |
| fabbione | re | 09:11 |
| fabbione | elmo: ANYTIME! | 09:11 |
| fabbione | elmo: next time don't wait for me... just kick me out :-) | 09:12 |
| fabbione | pitti: yeah | 09:12 |
| elmo | fabbione: don't worry there's no rush, I'm probably only half way through | 09:12 |
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| fabbione | elmo: it's 100% your :-) | 09:13 |
| fabbione | i was only doing a test compilation | 09:13 |
| fabbione | nothing really too seriuos... just the ibookg4sleep1337patch | 09:13 |
| fabbione | in the worst case i will tell ppc users to blame GTK | 09:13 |
| elmo | lol | 09:13 |
| ogra | heh | 09:13 |
| fabbione | pitti: PONG! | 09:14 |
| fabbione | pitti: DING DONG DANG! | 09:14 |
| pitti | fabbione: sorry, still at the phone | 09:21 |
| fabbione | Description: | 09:21 |
| fabbione | Remote exploit for IPSwitch WS_FTP version 5.03 that binds a shell to port 4444. | 09:21 |
| fabbione | CUTE! | 09:21 |
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| ajmitch_ | morning | 09:55 |
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| pitti | fabbione: back | 10:03 |
| ajmitch_ | pitti: thanks for doing those libssp packages :) | 10:04 |
| pitti | fabbione: is there an easy way to provide a hacked kernel image (with new deb names) without duplicating the linux-source source package? | 10:04 |
| fabbione | pitti: yo | 10:04 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: no problem, easy package | 10:04 |
| fabbione | pitti: build-dep on linux-source-2.6.9 | 10:05 |
| ajmitch_ | pitti: what will be harder is if we try & get selinux in, and enabled by default | 10:05 |
| fabbione | pitti: the one that gives you the tar.bz2 in /usr/src | 10:05 |
| fabbione | pitti: but i don't recall if it has patches or not.. you will have to check on that | 10:05 |
| pitti | fabbione: basically I want to use all the Ubuntu patches, add one, change the configuration and the deb names | 10:06 |
| fabbione | in case... you have linux-patches something | 10:06 |
| fabbione | pitti: yup... i got that | 10:06 |
| fabbione | pitti: you still need the same build-deps | 10:06 |
| pitti | fabbione: okay, I will play around with that | 10:06 |
| pitti | fabbione: basically I would need a binary package that ships the source's dpatches | 10:07 |
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| fabbione | no.. you just need to ship your patch | 10:07 |
| fabbione | all the others are in the source or -linux-patch | 10:07 |
| trulux | hi there | 10:07 |
| trulux | pitti, woo woo! | 10:07 |
| trulux | :) | 10:07 |
| pitti | hi trulux | 10:08 |
| pitti | fabbione: ah, cool | 10:08 |
| ajmitch_ | hi trulux | 10:08 |
| fabbione | check all the pkgs.. there is everything you need | 10:08 |
| fabbione | the only thing i am not sure we ship are the config | 10:08 |
| fabbione | in that case i will provide them for you.. no big deal for that | 10:09 |
| trulux | hey ajmitch_ | 10:09 |
| trulux | ajmitch_, i think we cantry to write a little schedule for the SELinux work | 10:09 |
| pitti | fabbione: I need to change the config anyway; patching yours would be nice, but just copy&change is fine by now | 10:10 |
| ajmitch_ | trulux: sure | 10:10 |
| fabbione | pitti: ok.. i will tell you some little secrets about configs tomorrow.. i am watching a movie now ;) | 10:11 |
| pitti | fabbione: oh, then I won't disturb you further | 10:11 |
| pitti | fabbione: enjoy! :-) | 10:12 |
| fabbione | pitti: thanks man | 10:12 |
| fabbione | have a good night | 10:12 |
| pitti | night! | 10:12 |
| ogra | fabbione: have fun :) | 10:12 |
| seb128 | 'n | 10:12 |
| seb128 | oups | 10:12 |
| seb128 | 'night | 10:12 |
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| trulux | ajmitch_, fine | 10:27 |
| trulux | ajmitch_, why not start a page named SELinux on Debian at the hardened debian wiki | 10:27 |
| trulux | ? | 10:27 |
| ajmitch_ | go ahead :) | 10:28 |
| trulux | heh | 10:29 |
| trulux | let me start a draft | 10:29 |
| pitti | trulux: btw, I'm currently at porting the grsecurity patch to the Ubuntu kernel | 10:29 |
| trulux | pitti, did you noticed that 2.0.3 is for 2.6.9?? | 10:29 |
| trulux | it's a spender's test patch | 10:29 |
| pitti | trulux: yup, that's the one I use | 10:29 |
| trulux | ok | 10:30 |
| ajmitch_ | I don't think that grsecurity & selinux will work in the same kernel at all :) | 10:30 |
| ajmitch_ | you'd need to choose between them | 10:30 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: not at the same time | 10:30 |
| trulux | pitti, don't use it by now | 10:30 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: but at least I like grsecurity much more than SELinux, so I'm happy :-) | 10:30 |
| trulux | ajmitch_, err, it depends on how the hooks are used and implemented | 10:30 |
| trulux | ajmitch_, we are strange guys here ... don't get sad by this, grsec is much more usable :( | 10:31 |
| trulux | but does a diff thing anyway | 10:31 |
| ajmitch_ | iirc grsec may even patch out the LSM hooks from the kernel | 10:32 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: in theory you _could_ have two chained MAC systems, though :-) | 10:33 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: and grsec does not use LSM | 10:33 |
| ajmitch_ | only if you were brave and/or stupid :) | 10:34 |
| ajmitch_ | I know that | 10:34 |
| ajmitch_ | but I mean that grsec explicitly disables the functionality that selinux uses | 10:34 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: I don't know whether it would work, and I don't really care | 10:34 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: actually I mostly care for PaX | 10:34 |
| ajmitch_ | it doesn't help that the grsec dev is rather disagreeable ;) | 10:34 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: but since grsecurity applies reasonably well to our kernel, why not take the full patch :-) | 10:34 |
| ajmitch_ | selinux is already enabled in upstream debian kernels, packages are in sid | 10:35 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: the default Ubuntu kernel is also compiled with SELInux (but not enabled) | 10:35 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: same as in Sid | 10:36 |
| ajmitch_ | as long as you're just wanting to have another kernel :) | 10:36 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: right now this is not intended to replace our default kernel anyway :-) | 10:36 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: right now it will become an additional kernel in universe, for people wanting PaX | 10:36 |
| ajmitch_ | iirc gentoo people had PaX & selinux working together | 10:37 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: yes, this should be entirely possible | 10:37 |
| trulux | pitti, i have the selinux hooks for pax | 10:38 |
| trulux | will be inside my backport | 10:38 |
| trulux | which stills is in really panic-state | 10:38 |
| trulux | (that one which means nothing even compiles without brainfucking and so on) | 10:39 |
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| wasabi_ | So I suspose my next step is going to be building a kerberos 5 .udeb. | 10:53 |
| wasabi_ | And d-i piece. | 10:53 |
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| trulux | pitti, btw, what about the gcc patches? | 11:03 |
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| pitti | trulux: will look at them; right now I still have your packages installed | 11:04 |
| trulux | ok, fine | 11:04 |
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| gilligan_ | hi | 11:32 |
| elmo | can someone do me a favour and try logging into the website? | 11:33 |
| trulux | elmo, hey | 11:33 |
| pitti | elmo: yes | 11:33 |
| trulux | elmo, did you noticed my enhyancement report to the bugzilla? | 11:33 |
| elmo | trulux: the binutils thing? | 11:34 |
| elmo | pitti: yes, it works or yes, you can try? :) | 11:34 |
| pitti | elmo: works for me | 11:34 |
| trulux | pitti, we need to have elmo including my PT_PAX_FLAGS stuff inside binutils for having good PaX support | 11:34 |
| pitti | elmo: now both | 11:34 |
| trulux | (soft mode) | 11:34 |
| elmo | pitti: excellent | 11:34 |
| trulux | elmo, yes | 11:34 |
| elmo | pitti: for your next trick, can you try rosetta? | 11:34 |
| pitti | elmo: sure | 11:34 |
| gilligan_ | have there been any sound related changes to hoary recently ? just did a apt-get upgrade and have a completely sound-free system running now hehe.. ( sorry to bug the dev channel but the general channel is mostly clueless.. ) | 11:35 |
| pitti | elmo: "You are logged in" | 11:35 |
| pitti | elmo: works | 11:35 |
| elmo | pitti: sweet, thanks | 11:35 |
| pitti | trulux: hmm, right now I use the legacy ELF header marking | 11:35 |
| pitti | trulux: this is way less intrusive | 11:36 |
| gilligan_ | i get silence from whatever player i try - no error messages tho.. and nothing seems to be muted according to alsamixer | 11:36 |
| elmo | trulux: sorry, I won't have a chance to look at that till after Christmas - I'm busy in the data centre right now, and on holiday after that | 11:36 |
| pitti | gilligan_: is esd still running | 11:36 |
| pitti | gilligan_: ? | 11:36 |
| pitti | gilligan_: and check in gstreamer-properties that esd is used | 11:36 |
| gilligan_ | esd running | 11:36 |
| gilligan_ | .. /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps | 11:37 |
| pitti | gilligan_: check whether your mixer now has a "DRC" setting which is low | 11:37 |
| gilligan_ | pitti: DRC seems to be off | 11:38 |
| gilligan_ | and DRC Range = 0 | 11:38 |
| pitti | gilligan_: can you enable it? This DRC thingy bite me a while ago | 11:38 |
| gilligan_ | hum.wonder how ;) | 11:39 |
| trulux | elmo, data center? | 11:39 |
| gilligan_ | esd is set to input & output in gstreamer preferences btw | 11:39 |
| elmo | trulux: working on our machines | 11:39 |
| trulux | elmo, we are looking for someone to support us giving a development machine | 11:40 |
| trulux | sponsoring | 11:40 |
| trulux | because we are running on a bit bad-organized network, without a main development center | 11:40 |
| ogra | elmo there are a lot ppl on #ubuntu, ust trying rosetta | 11:41 |
| gilligan_ | elmo: ah.. DRC was it.. | 11:41 |
| pitti | gilligan_: works now? | 11:41 |
| gilligan_ | elmo: now i get super-crappy sound but i guess i just have to play around with the mixer a bit | 11:41 |
| gilligan_ | elmo: thanks | 11:41 |
| elmo | ogra: when I rebooted it? sweet :( | 11:42 |
| ogra | hmm... some are a little upset.... | 11:42 |
| pitti | gilligan_: I had this crappy and silent sound, too; for me it helped to set DRC to about 75% | 11:42 |
| ogra | saving while rebooting.....hm | 11:42 |
| gilligan_ | pitti: "DRC" or "DRC Range" ? my "DRC" is still off .. "DRC Range" is set to 75 | 11:43 |
| pitti | gilligan_: don't know exactly | 11:43 |
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| ironwolf | did apt get borked in hoary? I keep getting "W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: Unknown error executing gpgv" everytime I do apt-get update. normal channel doesn't have help to offer. Any idea where to look for the error text? | 11:53 |
| ajmitch_ | trulux: so what will you try & push? grsec or selinux? | 11:55 |
| trulux | grsec as soft option | 11:55 |
| trulux | selinux for the big guys ;D | 11:55 |
| ajmitch_ | soft option? | 11:55 |
| pitti | ironwolf: ping mvo tomorrow; he recently introduced signature verification in apt | 11:56 |
| trulux | yes, the easiest to deploy one | 11:56 |
| ajmitch_ | do you find selinux hard to deploy? | 11:57 |
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| trulux | ajmitch_, not until we get it in the right way | 11:58 |
| trulux | it's a MAC system with TE and so on, it's more difficult to deployt than simple grsec | 11:59 |
| pitti | ajmitch_: one big problem is that selinux requires a bunch of patched base packages, which grsec doesn't | 11:59 |
| ajmitch_ | pitti: as long as you don't have to maintain the patches it's ok :) | 12:00 |
| ajmitch_ | especially if the patches get merged upstream | 12:00 |
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