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HACK !!! === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-188-005.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [~james@203-59-217-65.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chuck_ is now known as zul === srbaker [~srbaker@dpc67446114.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] how annoying [02:20] my laptop will only associate with my AP for about 20 seconds [02:20] then it drops === rolfzor [~rlf@c-ac1072d5.02-118-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rolfzor [~rlf@c-ac1072d5.02-118-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === kergan [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-10-181-189.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yann_ [~yann@p5480CDB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] hello :) === rolfzor [~rlf@c-ac1072d5.02-118-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] any webmaster of ubuntulinux.org, or a way to contact one of theme? didn't get any answer to my mails :/ [02:56] we're creating a french support site for ubuntu, including a forum, would be nice if there could be a link in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/forums/ === aeruder [muncher@ip68-102-201-46.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] who did you email? [03:15] info & webmaster @ ubuntulinux.org [03:20] when? [03:20] the first about a month ago, the second about 2 weeks ago [03:21] both were about a french site about ubuntu [03:23] 12/13/2004 07:33 PM [03:23] from etheeten@gmail.com [03:23] if that could help you :| [03:23] that was to trademarks@ubuntulinux.org [03:25] the first mail is from 11/30/2004 01:54 AM , to info@ubuntulinux.org, from yann@mandragor.org [03:25] does that help? :| [03:34] well, do you think I should try to mail again? :/ === usual [~colin@alb-69-202-46-181.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asw [~asw@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asw [~asw@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] hm, no cds yet [04:53] mako: if the cds claimed to have shipped on nov 8th, but aren't here yet, is it time to start wondering? [04:56] wow that is a while [04:57] i got mine back at thanksgiving [05:31] daniels: my X laptop gets very unhappy when I start a second X server === bluefoxicy [~bluefox@pcp485126pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:34] I still haven't gotten mine either. [06:34] CD's that is. === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:36] have you checked shipit.ubuntu.com? [06:41] how long does it take on average [06:42] depends on when you order [06:42] they go out in bunches [06:42] i orderd them aroung turkey day [06:42] and not it finaly told me thay sent them on the 6th of this month [06:44] should be there very soon then [06:47] bob2, i've the same problem. (same ship date too) [06:47] 2 weeks [06:47] really [06:47] wow thats fast specaly since its the x-mas malling seasion [07:00] they are shipped from switzerland i think [07:00] so probably takes a while [07:00] morning [07:00] fabbione: hi [07:08] morning all [07:10] hey doko [07:10] doko: we need a 64bit gcc for ppc [07:13] fabbione: see on chinstrap:~doko/gcc/ [07:14] sw33t [07:14] why isn't uploaded? [07:16] it's C only, we don't a 64bit glibc, no priority, ... [07:16] doko: we need the gcc for the 64bit kernel :-) [07:16] the rest can wait [07:17] doko: we will need a very minimal amount of packages in 64 bit [07:17] just buy an x86-64 ;) [07:18] like gcc, libc, ncurses and something like sparc-utils [07:18] does ubuntu work on g5's already? [07:18] calc: our buildd are g5 [07:18] cool [07:18] but they are running UP/32bit [07:18] oh [07:18] because of kernel limitations [07:18] that kinda sucks, wasting half of the system then [07:19] is it numa like amd64? [07:19] that's why we need gcc 64bit & so on... [07:19] no idea... [07:19] i am not into ppc at all [07:19] oh ok [07:19] i just need to prepare the kernel for elmo to test at the datacenter :) === fabbione attempts another sparc ubuntu install [07:20] 32bit apps on ppc are usually faster. [07:20] doko: it is like sparc [07:20] 32bit is usually faster in general except when you have a braindead arch like x86 [07:20] 64bit kernel, 32 bit userland [07:20] and only a few userland packages in 64bit [07:20] like pgsql and stuff like that [07:20] a 32bit x86-64 would be interesting [07:21] i wonder if it would be even faster (if its even possible to force it into such a mode) [07:24] installing on 9600bps serial console is the pain [07:26] dont suppose anybody who knows much about preseeding base-config is awake [07:31] wasabi: just ask [07:32] Well.... trying to find the right preseeding values to get hoary's base-config to skip everything. [07:32] Tried everything I can and it's still asking for username, passwor,d and showing the welcome and timezone screens [07:33] wasabi: preseeding isn't always enough [07:33] you need to workaround some debconf priorities as well [07:33] Hmmm. [07:33] Well, not sure how to adjust the priorities of base-config, which is started automatically. [07:34] you need to edit the scripts [07:34] the base-config scripts? [07:34] yes [07:34] nuh. [07:34] buh. [07:34] that's not easy. =/ [07:37] i never said it was :) [07:37] I was just hoping. [07:37] It should be easier. [07:39] So, there a howto? ;0 [07:40] just read the code? ;) [07:40] =( === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] Morning [08:10] hey pitti === mvo [~Michael@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] Hi mvo [09:12] hi pitti === pitti_ [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 [~sid77@151.11.187.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] hi === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-19-189.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] Hi seb128 [09:44] "seb128 broke my gnome" ? === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:seb128] : Ubuntu development -- ARE WE NEARLY THERE YET? -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Want to help Hoary? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals [09:44] morning [09:44] (mataro server) [09:44] Treenaks: hum ? [09:44] seb128: why did I have to rm ~/.gnome2/session to make my panel work again? :) [09:45] "seb128 broke your panel" [09:45] seb128: and nautilus.. I couldn't right-click on the desktop either [09:45] Treenaks: killall gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus gnome-panel trashapplet [09:45] nothing to do with the session [09:45] that's a gnome-vfs-daemon bug [09:45] seb128: removing the session fixed it for me [09:46] no [09:46] restarting fixed it [09:46] no ? [09:46] the bug doesn't happen every time [09:46] seb128: no, I tried to log in 3 times -- each time the panel "hung".. removing the session file -> it worked again [09:47] seb128: so that was a coincidence? [09:47] yep [09:47] you have kept the session ? [09:48] I moved it aside instead of rm'ing it, so yes [09:48] not that I used it for anything but starting gaim.. but hey [09:48] you can retry to put it again and see if it bugs [09:49] tonight, when I'm with the machine again :) [09:49] ok [09:49] if the session is broken open a bug with it :) [09:51] brrr [09:51] -9C according to my weather [09:51] at least now it feels like december :) [09:55] 8) === BradB [~bradb@modemcable046.50-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] daniels: ping [10:20] Kamion: already awake? [10:25] Keybuk: here? [10:26] pitti: apparently you are the only one working here :p [10:26] pitti: daniels is in vac... [10:26] yes, I remembered about daniels as soon as I hit enter :-/ [10:27] I need a native English speaker to review an USN text [10:27] pitti: how can I train pmount to not sync mount certain volumes in warty? i.e. external HDs [10:28] mvo: upgrade to hal/pmount/gvm of Hoary :-) [10:28] mvo: seriously, this is not trivial in Warty [10:28] mvo: the easiest solution is probably to add an fstab entry [10:28] pitti: aye, thanks# === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-6-6.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] gosh, all channels are so quiet today - it almost feels like it was christmas, or so... [10:30] heh [10:30] I can make some noise if you want :p [10:30] lalalalala [10:30] lololo [10:30] let's sing a christmas song [10:30] ;) [10:30] hehe [10:31] Frhliche Weihnacht berall [10:31] *shudder* [10:31] lalalalalala la lala [10:31] Treenaks: come on, now a dutch one ! [10:31] yay [10:31] [10:32] lalala === wasabi baths in UTF-8 [10:38] *bathes === smurfix passes the soap to wasabi [10:54] hum === seb128 has just dist-upgraded [10:54] and now [10:54] /usr/bin/env: python: No such file or directory [10:54] (running dput) [10:55] seb128: if it gives you a better feeling, my python XML support is gone, too [10:55] :( [10:55] Mithrandir: ping === ogra [~ogra@pD95F835F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === plovs_ [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] doko: did you realize that you uploaded gcc3.4 as native package? [11:09] no [11:09] nevermind [11:09] i am on crack [11:10] pitti: yo [11:10] Kamion: i did bootstrap the sparc :-) [11:11] cool [11:11] plenty of problems, but nothing unfixable [11:11] for some reasons d-i installed a -smp kernel (=kabuum) [11:11] that's easy to sort out [11:11] and it didn't find silo-installer or couldn't install silo for some reasons [11:12] and it did add restricted to sources.list [11:12] that's another kabuum [11:12] probably 2 of them are related [11:12] not really interested in kludging the restricted thing for sparc only; fix your archive :) [11:13] Kamion: well... there is nothing restricted for sparc... [11:13] for the rest, can you send me /var/log/debian-installer/syslog from the installed system? [11:13] but yeah... [11:13] i will fix my archive [11:13] sure, but d-i doesn't get to know that [11:13] sure i can [11:13] the silo thing is weird [11:14] it might be something wrong on the archive... i didn't spend too much time on it [11:14] oh, *crap*, silo-installer is RETARDED === rolfzor [~rolf@c-ac1072d5.02-118-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] ok, that's silo-installer brokenness which needs to be fixed [11:14] Kamion: oh.. ok [11:15] unfortunately it means a string change [11:16] Kamion: hmmm [11:16] it might be easier to kludge it by unexcluding silo from debootstrap for now [11:17] Kamion: no rush.... [11:17] it is more important to get the correct kernel [11:17] at least in the beginning [11:17] fabbione: what does the 'ncpus probed' line in /proc/cpuinfo look like? [11:18] ncpus probed : 1 [11:18] this is with 2.6.8 from debian [11:18] fabbione: hm, is linux-sparc64 in your archive? [11:18] it's in restricted ... :) [11:19] Kamion: the most important thing is that i need to figure why the console hangs at the end of the boot process [11:19] isn't that from linux-meta? [11:19] actually it might not be in restricted, haven't checked [11:19] yes [11:19] bob2: yeah, it may be a problem.. i am making a list of probably borked cds [11:19] bob2: shipments that is.. i'll be contacting the companya bout them [11:19] linux-sparc64_2.6.9-4_sparc.deb [11:19] bob2: i have a half a dozen now [11:20] Kamion: i get this in main [11:20] hm [11:20] /var/log/debian-installer/syslog definitely needed to debug [11:20] i did send you the mail.... [11:20] did you get it? [11:20] haven't read mail yet this morning [11:20] ah ok [11:20] take your time [11:21] i need to go and cut my hairs [11:21] + the buildd is catching up [11:21] all that lsb-* is crap on console :-) [11:21] it looks really really really hugly [11:21] doko: here ? [11:22] waaaah === wasabi beats base-config. [11:23] wasabi: you know that the username/password stuff is in shadow not base-config, right? [11:23] i can't even get the welcoem screen to go away. [11:24] but no, i didn't. [11:24] # Avoid the introductory message. [11:24] base-config base-config/intro note [11:24] does that not work? [11:24] i have that, and no. [11:25] # Skip the two initial welcome screens. [11:25] base-config base-config/title title [11:25] base-config base-config/intro note [11:25] base-config base-config/login note [11:25] i've got those. [11:25] s/two/three [11:25] heh [11:25] s/two// =/ [11:25] title isn't a question anyway [11:25] yeah i just saw it in debconf-get-selections and figured i'd give it a try [11:26] would probably be easiest to figure out how to get base-config's debconf priority to critical [11:27] so the passwd stuff is shadow now, not passwd? [11:27] the manual says passwd. [11:27] might require adding a base-config/priority template for preseeding; I was ordered to stop Ubuntu copying debconf/priority from the first stage [11:27] or something does, or i wouldn't have done it. [11:27] passwd is from the shadow source package; sure, passwd [11:28] i dont know enough about templates and stuff yet. [11:28] im just a user trying to deploy ubuntu today [11:28] I'm at least partially talking to myself ... :) [11:29] if i can get this working, fai is going to die an ugly death [11:29] because i like this much better. [11:29] ok, how about I add base-config/priority for you now in 2.60ubuntu4 [11:29] for obvious reasons. [11:29] sounds good! [11:30] Yeah I like the idea of having a seperate setting for base-config [11:30] could be useful in certain circumstances. [11:32] morning [11:39] jdub: can I add silo to base for sparc? [11:42] Kamion: are you making that change now or later? just wondering so I can stop paying attention tonight. [11:43] fabbione: aha, you and ia64 share a bug, found it and am fixing now [11:43] wasabi: right after this fix for Fabio [11:43] you dont' have to worry about it [11:43] I think it's important though [11:43] oh okay. ;) [11:44] lamont: tomorrow's CD should fix the ia64 kernel brokenness [11:44] (in d-i) [11:57] wasabi: uploaded. when you see base-config_2.60ubuntu4_all.deb in the archive, try 'base-config base-config/priority select critical' [11:57] super. You rock. [11:57] thank you drive thru [11:58] untested though :) [11:59] fun [11:59] Kamion: is the hoary i386-cdimage of today safe to use? [11:59] mvo: no idea, probably not [12:00] mvo: it includes python2.4-minimal and so needs a debootstrap update, which I'm doing now === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] is there a date that you can recommend :) ? [12:01] 20041220 would be my first guess but I haven't tried it [12:01] ah, thanks [12:01] I'll give it a try then. I need a current cd to test upgrading from it === sivang [~sivang@cablep-179-87-196.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] Kamion: cool.. what was the bug? [12:33] whoops :-) [12:33] i can see from the changes ;) === wasabi backports base-config/hoarty to warty === wasabi hum de dum === pitti watches how a SSP-compiled package prevents a buffer overflow exploit [12:55] fabbione: is there a ppc or i386 dchroot somewhere with kernel build-deps? [12:56] yup [12:56] ppc davis [12:57] cool, thanks [12:57] fabbione: i386 somewhere? [12:57] i386.. hmm probably macaroni [12:57] otherwise send me the diff and i will build it for you [12:58] fabbione: I don't need a full build to start with; I will probably trim down the .config for my host and test there [12:59] fabbione: I would like to start with the PaX kernel [12:59] pitti: ah i see [12:59] good luck :-) [12:59] fabbione: thanks! [12:59] fabbione: btw, SSP really rocks [12:59] pitti: eheheh [12:59] you are a security bitch [12:59] fabbione: basically, with SSP you can forget about buffer overflow USNs [01:00] yeah i was there for you taking notes man === fabbione still remembers [01:00] I know [01:00] "Why don't we chroot X?" [01:00] but now I saw it in action [01:00] and digged through the theory === skyrider [~Alexey@195.128.178.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] fabbione: it seems that I don't have access to macaroni [01:02] pitti: you need to talk with elmo [01:02] fabbione: anyway, let's start with ppc then [01:02] fabbione: I do when he returns [01:02] otherwise send me the stuff i will build here === Kamion glares in the general direction of linda [01:13] stupid pile of shit deliberately throws away all errors generated about the .changes [01:15] Kamion: priority looks good... somehow I can't find the choice to get past the tiemzone. Asking for the Eastern, Central, etc. [01:15] base-config tzconfig/choose_contry_zone/US select Central [01:15] you've misspelled country there [01:16] HAHA [01:16] ohh geeze [01:17] heh. im at work now... been doing server upgrades all night [01:17] I've been awake 24 hours. Forgive me. [01:17] np :) === sid77 [~sid77@151.11.187.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] hi [01:25] the kernel package is insane [01:25] i am not sure i want to redo it from scratch === didg [~didier@d83-177-139-242.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] seb128: you broke the panel again!!! [01:36] seb128: I get bombarded with neverending error dialogs [01:36] seb128: :-) [01:36] arf === jinty [~jinty@212.145.79.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 [~sid77@151.11.187.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione compiles yet another kernel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === usual [~colin@alb-69-202-46-181.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] okay this is silly. and I have no idea how to resolve the problem. gnome doesnt load and all that is shown is the panel position ( left blank ) and the desktops background colour ( not image ) [01:47] AndyFitz: apparently logging in a few times fixes it [01:47] I thought it was gconfd because even on new user accounts it happens [01:47] no then it's gnome-vfs-daemon [01:48] sorry ill move this to #ubuntu [01:48] AndyFitz: no, just poke seb128 :) [01:48] killall gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus gnome-panel trashapplet [01:49] I've gone as far as to create new user acounts and also to completely reinstall gnome entirely [01:49] seb128: it must be gnome-session [01:49] because I can load xfce4 fine [01:50] AndyFitz, hey [01:50] and from there 'sometimes' I can loat gnome-panel [01:50] hiya usual [01:50] AndyFitz, havn't seen ya in a while on gaim. [01:50] doh I got a new screenname, maybe thats why [01:51] usual, I've been online on jabber icq irc aol msn etc etc [01:51] AndyFitz, yea, I forgot I changed my screenname [01:51] AndyFitz, hows it goin [01:51] good but something broke my gnome :P [01:51] what happens? [01:52] see above [01:52] ahh [01:52] AndyFitz, are your panels there but blank? [01:53] yep [01:53] but only sometimes [01:54] I think if I've uses sudo recently they seem to work although I'm not sure [01:54] AndyFitz, it happened to me too yesterday and the day before, but it seems fine now [01:54] uses = used [01:54] AndyFitz, I nuked the .hastodowithgnomedir's and it seemed to have helped [01:55] I already tried nuking them [01:55] the problem came back [01:55] :( [01:55] it was fixed for one login [01:56] AndyFitz, hows the icon set coming btw [01:56] looks good [01:57] usual, thanks I'm reworking them to suit brisgeek.com/etiquette/ === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] AndyFitz, full set for gnome? === srbaker [~srbaker@dpc67446114.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etiquette-icons.tar.gz is there but very incomplete [01:59] AndyFitz, I came across your site for it the other day on gnome-look.org, I like it all but the metacity theme [01:59] usual: theres over 2,000 icons in whats considered a full set for gnome :-/ and I keep changing styles / xml rules [01:59] ah [02:00] the metacity theme I have in the gimp screenshot ? [02:00] its also here http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/icons.png [02:01] pitti: pong :) [02:01] the hover state for the buttons shows their type === pitti tries to remember what he wanted to ask haggai [02:01] yea, it looks alot better in thie shot [02:02] AndyFitz, can't wait to give them a try [02:02] nice trashcan [02:02] roberTO did that for the milk gtk theme I really like it yeah but was going to make my own pixmap based gtk theme first before considering what metacity to use [02:03] k [02:04] usual, download and check them out now , I'm currently using them at 16x16 on my gnome-panel, they were designed to scale below my other stuff [02:04] AndyFitz, are they avilible somewhere [02:04] andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etiquette-icons.tar.gz [02:05] should work [02:05] bob2: the BenH patch doesn't even compile [02:05] got em [02:05] arch/ppc/platforms/pmac_cache.S: Assembler messages: [02:05] arch/ppc/platforms/pmac_cache.S:49: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `dssall' [02:05] arch/ppc/platforms/pmac_cache.S:167: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `dssall' [02:05] bum [02:06] the default size is 48x48 like normal pixmap icons. lila, gartoon and the industrial gnome-vfs icons are all 92x92 I think [02:06] that's odd, it compiled fine for me [02:06] AndyFitz, wierd, I put them in the icon folder, it shows the icon in the theme app, but no icons changed [02:06] hey, is hoary working enough now that its worth upgrading to? [02:07] robtaylor, I use it daily with little trouble [02:07] usual: cool, upgrade it is then ;) [02:07] Kamion: i am using -7.diff on davis... [02:07] usual: that happens sometimes with gnome-themes-manager , next login they will work [02:07] ok [02:07] brb [02:08] fabbione: which flavour is failing? [02:08] power3 [02:08] at least... [02:08] DSSALL is used in other places in arch/ppc/ [02:08]