[12:00] <Blackwell> Quest-Master: no linux distro beats debian as far as upgradability/updatability is concerned, as i keep hearing.
[12:00] <Quest-Master> Or Ubuntu.
[12:00] <ogra> Blackwell: ubuntu is debian......
[12:00] <Pozac> Finkel is Einhorn
[12:00] <ogra> really 8)
[12:00] <Blackwell> ogra: so it would seem. but the same may apply to knoppix. however...the #debian folks seem to think that knoppix is not debian. i am afraid that ubuntu may spark the same level of not-welcomness.
[12:01] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[12:01] <Quest-Master> #debian hates Knoppix to death.
[12:01] <Quest-Master> I don't know about Ubuntu though.
[12:01] <Blackwell> Quest-Master: ;) i guess ubuntu may not have appeared on their radar yet.
[12:01] <Quest-Master> But a lot of the Ubuntu developers are Debian developers as well.
[12:01] <Pozac> how can you hate ubuntu?
[12:02] <sjoerd> Quest-Master: a channels doesn't hate anything, maybe some people on the channel do
[12:02] <Blackwell> so, there aren't any major stray-aways in ubuntu in comparison to debian, are there? nothing that would make debian folks groan and roll their eyes at?
[12:02] <Quest-Master> Not really.
[12:02] <noob> hey guys, since there are more people on #debian, do you think i could ask if anyone has already re-create a boot record from the ubuntu install cd?
[12:02] <Blackwell> Quest-Master: excellent news, thank you.
[12:02] <ogra> Blackwell: the company behind ubuntu has some of the most imoportant debian devs employed....they make sure all changes go back to debian
[12:02] <Blackwell> noob: try. report the reaction please. ;)
[12:02] <Quest-Master> :)
[12:03] <noob> i shouldnt do that ? :)
[12:03] <mdke> noob, you can do it
[12:03] <Pozac> noob, yeah, the process is basically the same.. :)
[12:03] <Blackwell> ogra: ah, that sounds very good. :)
[12:03] <mdke> you can do whatever you like
[12:03] <noob> sorry , i dont know thats why i ask you first
[12:03] <noob> :P
[12:03] <mdke> this is a free network
[12:03] <ogra> Blackwell: ubuntu is synced quite often with sid before the release freeze
[12:04] <ogra> Blackwell: so in ubuntu unstable you get mostly debian sid with ubuntu-ongonig-changes
[12:06] <dagron> wtf? I can't get su.. su (enter) password: (password) and it won't work. this is far different from slackware.
[12:06] <dagron> :)
[12:06] <tha_gamemaster> sudo su
[12:06] <azta> dagron: ubuntu has copied off OSX
[12:06] <tha_gamemaster> root is disabled by default
[12:06] <Pitr> did you sign up for the slackware-rehab exam?
[12:06] <dagron> sudo su (enter) password ?
[12:06] <ogra> dagron: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:06] <tha_gamemaster> yes dagraon
[12:06] <dagron> great
[12:06] <azta> dagron: root has no password, so you can't login as root...
[12:06] <tha_gamemaster> dagron*
[12:06] <Pozac> unless you use webmin?
[12:07] <Pozac> or has that been fixed? :)
[12:07] <azta> dagron: after that you can "passwd" btw
[12:07] <tha_gamemaster> you just sudo su for root access , if you want a root account, type sudo passwd root and then enter a new password
[12:07] <dagron> dunno. just installed ubuntu last hour or so.
[12:07] <Pozac> sudo -s also works for a root shell
[12:07] <Marble2> hey
[12:07] <dagron> nice
[12:07] <tha_gamemaster> I'm trying to get some sort of nvidia hardware exceleration for my ubuntu imac
[12:07] <Marble2> I have beep-media-player installed, how do I run it so taht I don't have to keep the terminal window open
[12:07] <Marble2> for it to stay running
[12:08] <Pozac> add a &
[12:08] <azta> beep & disown
[12:08] <Pozac> or run it from the menu :)
[12:08] <Marble2> space or no?
[12:08] <Pozac> space
[12:08] <azta> Marble2: doesn't matter
[12:08] <Marble2> doesnt work
[12:08] <Marble2> still dies when I close the window
[12:08] <Marble2> can I use screen?
[12:08] <azta> beep&disown == beep    &    disown
[12:08] <Marble2> i'm a screen newbie
[12:08] <azta> Marble2: & disown
[12:08] <dagron> thanks dudes. now I have root :)
[12:08] <Marble2> kk
[12:09] <tha_gamemaster> np dagron ^+^
[12:09] <ogra> dagron: you wont gain anything with it
[12:09] <azta> otherwise the shell just backgrounds it, and will kill it when it dies
[12:09] <Marble2> thanks azta
[12:09] <Marble2> worked
[12:09] <dagron> is everything different in ubuntu ?
[12:09] <azta> np
[12:09] <Pozac> no
[12:09] <azta> dagron: no
[12:09] <dagron> thought it would be kind of like slack
[12:09] <ogra> dagron: all gui tools require gksudo
[12:09] <tha_gamemaster> not everything, it's still linux
[12:09] <thenuke> ogra: like you could do anything what you want without root?
[12:09] <Pozac> dagron, it's very much debian :)
[12:10] <dagron> never used debian :S
[12:10] <ogra> thenuke: that as well ;)
[12:10] <dagron> im a slack fanatic
[12:10] <dagron> ;)
[12:10] <Pozac> dagron, this is the nicest debian experience I have ever tried :)
[12:10] <dagron> yes ubuntu is nice.
[12:10] <dagron> though it feels like the first time I sit in front of a pewter :S
[12:11] <tha_gamemaster> anyone running ubuntu on ppc ?
[12:11] <ogra> tha_gamemaster: lots of ppl do......
[12:12] <azta> tha_gamemaster: on a g3 ibook here
[12:12] <tha_gamemaster> ogra,  is anyone of those people available for me to ask them a question ^_^
[12:12] <tha_gamemaster> azta nvidia or ati card in your ibook?
[12:12] <azta> tha_gamemaster: if it's regarding broken resume on wake no :)
[12:13] <azta> tha_gamemaster: ATI rage mobility thing
[12:13] <tha_gamemaster> azta hehe no I'm using it on an iMac, I experienced that error already on my ibook G3, I'm trying to enable hardware video acceleration.
[12:13] <dagron> Ubuntu can use Debian packages?
[12:13] <azta> tha_gamemaster: ah, good luck :)
[12:13] <ogra> tha_gamemaster: runs fine on my imac at the office
[12:13] <tha_gamemaster> dagron yea
[12:13] <Pozac> I would love for dpkg/apt to be replaced in synaptic by a more library-ish interface
[12:13] <Blackwell> dagron: it is debian, just in a more friendly way, it seems.
[12:13] <jdub> dagron: preferably not; they're almost entirely available from universe/multiverse anyway
[12:14] <ogra> dagron: you shouldnt
[12:14] <azta> tha_gamemaster: this only has 8mb videoram, which wasn't enough for the dri stuff
[12:14] <dagron> aah. just like Vidalinux ?
[12:14] <EfaistOs> some users of webcam here ?
[12:14] <Pozac> there's no dselect.. woohooo
[12:14] <azta> tha_gamemaster: I haven't tried it in about 18 months though...
[12:14] <ogra> dagron: and ubuntu has 99% of the debian packages already in
[12:14] <tha_gamemaster> ogra I have X, but you can tell from my opengl screen savers that there is no hardware exceleration...
[12:14] <jdub> dagron: (ubuntu is completely rebuilt, so there's no guarantee that actual debian packages will work)
[12:14] <ungood> could someone help me with getting my RAID 0 array working?
[12:14] <Marble2> what the fuck is wrong with beep-media-player
[12:14] <Marble2> its a POS
[12:14] <tha_gamemaster> mplayer is good
[12:15] <Pozac> Marble2, yes. Sadly
[12:15] <dagron> argh. but I want my aterm and irssi.. going to try at least
[12:15] <azta> ungood: just mount it?
[12:15] <ogra> tha_gamemaster: i'll check it tomorrow if im at my shitty job ;)
[12:15] <tha_gamemaster> just get mplayer or videolan client
[12:15] <Marble2> prozac, what should I use?
[12:15] <tha_gamemaster> ogra thank you ^_^
[12:15] <Blackwell> dagron: ubuntu seems strictly non commercial too, debian spirited in a way, i guess.
[12:15] <Marble2> i want to play mp3s
[12:15] <Pozac> Marble2, xmms or rhythmbox
[12:15] <azta> ungood: what raid card ?
[12:15] <tha_gamemaster> marble2, xmms
[12:15] <jdub> Blackwell: it's highly commercial (it's just Free, too)
[12:15] <Marble2> can I apt-get it?
[12:15] <ungood> Promise Fasttrak 100
[12:15] <Pozac> yep
[12:15] <Marble2> cool
[12:15] <azta> ungood: is it a true hardware raid card?
[12:16] <Blackwell> jdub: that burb on their page seemed to give a different impression. ;)
[12:16] <ogra> Marble2: rhythmbox is already there
[12:16] <ungood> azta: I don't think so
[12:16] <vegai> how does ubuntu work with non-alsa sound drivers?
[12:16] <Marble2> it is shitty, i tried it
[12:16] <azta> ungood: um :(
[12:16] <vegai> OSS supported ok?
[12:16] <Pozac> xmms is the good old player
[12:16] <jdub> Marble2: dude, keep it nice please
[12:16] <azta> xmms is the sucky old player
[12:16] <Marble2> sorry
[12:16] <Marble2> in uh rythmbox
[12:16] <Marble2> it won't show my files
[12:16] <Marble2> it import
[12:16] <ungood> Ubuntu sees the two drives, but it doesn't want to combine them into one, it seems.
[12:16] <jdub> did you install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[12:17] <ungood> I don't want to format them, because I would lose a ton of my music.
[12:17] <azta> ungood: ah, you want the linux raid howto I guess
[12:17] <macewan> muine may be of use
[12:17] <ogra>  Marble2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:17] <tha_gamemaster> seeya azta
[12:17] <ungood> ok, I'll look into that. Thanks :)
[12:17] <Pozac> Muine is sweet.
[12:18] <macewan> it does have that cool factor
[12:18] <tha_gamemaster> brb
[12:18] <vegai> no-one?
[12:18] <ogra> vegai: what for oss ?
[12:19] <ogra> vegai: everything is replaced by alsa, oss will die anyway
[12:19] <rwabel> hi
[12:19] <Pozac> hello
[12:19] <vegai> I have a soundcard that's properly supported by only the 4Front driver. I was wondering whether oss is supported here
[12:19] <rwabel> i've a big problem with gnome 2.9.2 on ubuntu hoary
[12:19] <macewan> what sound card?
[12:19] <ogra> vegai: there surely is an alsa driver that works
[12:19] <vegai> I sure hope that ALSA will become a bit better before it kills OSS
[12:19] <Pozac> rwabel, yes?
[12:20] <vegai> ogra: negative.
[12:20] <rwabel> the whole panel is away and the desktop is unusable
[12:20] <ogra> vegai: what card ?
[12:20] <macewan> brb
[12:20] <rwabel> pozac: I don't know if it's a bug or sth like that. or if I did sth to the config
[12:20] <vegai> M-Audio Revolution 7.1, an ice1724-chip based card. And don't pretend to know more about this than me, please :)
[12:20] <Marble2> yay
[12:20] <tha_gamemaster> back
[12:20] <Marble2> xmms kicks ass
[12:20] <Pozac> rwabel, no, I think you just upgraded.. I had that problem too, not sure how I fixed it
[12:21] <ogra> vegai: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko
[12:21] <rwabel> pozac: sudo apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade didn't help
[12:21] <vegai> ogra: did I ask you not to pretend you know more about this than I?
[12:21] <Marble2> ok, now what can I use to play video files
[12:21] <macewan> ouch
[12:22] <Pozac> rwabel, I managed to get it running by trying a few times and killing leftover processes in between
[12:22] <Marble2> is mpc linux compatabile?
[12:22] <ogra> vegai: there is a alsa module .... dont you think it works ?
[12:22] <Pozac> good ol' ctrl-alt-backspace, slay pozac routine
[12:22] <vegai> yes, I've tried that module
[12:22] <vegai> it has problems
[12:22] <ogra> vegai: with the right options ?
[12:22] <Pozac> slay is the coolest tool
[12:22] <Quest-Master> What's with the attitude vegai? ogra's just trying to help.
[12:22] <vegai> yes
[12:22] <macewan> I'm in the middle of that myself.
[12:22] <Pozac> Marble2, I recommend totem-xine
[12:22] <rwabel> pozac: I tried to kill some gnome panels etc and I got only the taskbar from the bottom back. the rest like the desktop and the top panel still away
[12:23] <Pozac> rwabel, do you use GDM? try startx
[12:23] <vegai> Quest-Master: how?
[12:23] <Quest-Master> Marble2: totem-xine was pretty unstable for me. Use gxine.. simple, fast :)
[12:23] <macewan> killall gnome-panel
[12:23] <rwabel> pozac: yes gdm. tried startx, reboot, restart gdm
[12:23] <vegai> yes, ok, sorry. I guess you get a lot of clueless people here sometimes.
[12:23] <ogra> Quest-Master: thank you, i can cope with that ..... in fact he warned me ;)
[12:24] <rwabel> macewan: ahh that one I didn't know yet. I've to go back to gnome window manager, I'm in xfce at the moment
[12:24] <stuNNed_> is ubuntu slow on anyone else's laptop? odd.
[12:24] <Pozac> rwabel, I don't think I know then, sorry.. :(
[12:24] <jdub> stuNNed_: you don't happen to have a toshiba, do you?
[12:24] <Quest-Master> lol
[12:24] <vegai> but back to the question... I guess everything's linked against OSS libraries too?
[12:24] <macewan> brb
[12:25] <vegai> I shouldn't be worried, though. The 4Front driver has an ALSA emulating layer
[12:25] <rwabel> pozac: I'll try the killall gnome-panel
[12:25] <vegai> like ALSA has an OSS emulating layer ;)
[12:25] <|QuaD-> hey, anyone here have any experience with webhosts and python scripts?
[12:25] <vegai> kinda ironic...
[12:25] <jdub> vegai: warty is set up to use alsa drivers, but via the oss emulation modules (not using alsalibs)
[12:25] <vegai> hmm, it will tough then :/
[12:25] <Pozac> rwabel, do that
[12:25] <vegai> jdub: it's mostly autodetected, right?
[12:25] <jdub> no
[12:25] <DigiKill> evenin
[12:26] <vegai> ok, that's better
[12:26] <jdub> if you want to use oss stuff, it will just work
[12:26] <vegai> jdub: no, but I don't want ALSA.
[12:26] <stuNNed_> jdub, no dell inspiron 1.8ghz cpu/512ram/gf2go and it's pretty slow for some reason, refreshing windows and the like
[12:26] <Pozac> unless you alsa driver's oss layer thingie sucks :(
[12:26] <vegai> oh, right. Sorry again :)
[12:26] <rwabel> pozac: seems that the probem is only related to my specific user. loging in with another user works fine
[12:26] <vegai> good
[12:26] <DigiKill> Question: anyone compiled an Eggdrop bot on Ubuntu yet?
[12:27] <toxickore> hello people....
[12:27] <jdub> Pozac: the in-kernel oss emulation stuff is better than using alsalibs atm
[12:27] <Pozac> rwabel, yeah - perhaps something in ~/.gconf ?
[12:27] <jdub> Pozac: that's why we chose to use it
[12:27] <toxickore> how can i know if i'm using the latest ubuntu distro version?
[12:27] <jd85> i'm attempting to do an install of ubuntu on my laptop, and before with other distros i'd have to do ide=nodma at boot, but i dont know what `kernel` put in there and such, so i dont know what to do because it wont detect cd
[12:27] <ogra> toxickore: there is only one currently
[12:27] <Pozac> jdub, ok :)
[12:28] <jdub> toxickore: cat /etc/lsb-release, if it says 'warty' and 4.10, you're using the latest release.
[12:28] <toxickore> jd85: let's see
[12:28] <toxickore> jd85: yup... it's the 4.10
[12:28] <toxickore> jd85: thank you dude..
[12:28] <jd85> toxickore: may i add i'm a gentoo user and just need somthing that wont hog all of my cpu on my laptop lol its a 266, do you think it will run alright? its a p2
[12:28] <jd85> oops
[12:28] <jd85> not to toxickorebut to everyone
[12:29] <toxickore> ooops...
[12:29] <jd85> yea two oops
[12:29] <jdub> jd85: RAM matters, not CPU
[12:29] <toxickore> jdub: my answer was to you
[12:29] <toxickore> jd85: =P
[12:29] <jd85> jdub: i have 128mb... that enough
[12:29] <jd85> jdub: if i can even get it to 'find the cd'
[12:30] <rwabel> pozac: no luck. it only gave me back the bottom panel. ther other one where the gnome stuff is (like system etc) is still away
[12:30] <jdub> i'd recommend 256MB at the least for using gnome on ubuntu
[12:30] <jdub> (gnome plus anything useful on top)
[12:30] <Pozac> rwabel, and you can't click on anything, right?
[12:30] <jd85> jdub: well thats the max the laptop can take, have any suggestions? its only got a 3.1 gig hard drive..
[12:30] <jdub> rwabel: killall gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus trashapplet gnome-panel
[12:31] <ogra> jd85: you could try xfce4 as a replacement with smaller footprint
[12:31] <rwabel> pozac: right
[12:31] <jd85> ogra: but not with ubuntu?
[12:31] <ogra> jd85: should work with 128 but you wont benefit form all the nice gnome integration
[12:31] <rwabel> jdub: thanks, gonna try that one out
[12:32] <ogra> jd85: sure with ubuntu....
[12:33] <Pozac> I would like to once again point out that 'slay' is a wonderful tool no keen ubuntu user should be without.
[12:33] <Marble2> gar
[12:33] <noob> sorry, but what is slay for? :)
[12:33] <Marble2> i can't get audio working on VLC
[12:33] <zenwhen> I am running a caching server with 64MB of ram with Ubuntu. It is CERTAINLY not useable as a desktop with that little ram though.
[12:33] <Marble2> any ideas?
[12:34] <Pozac> noob, it kills all processes belonging to a user :)
[12:34] <noob> ok
[12:34] <noob> :)
[12:34] <Pozac> like the name sort of implies :)
[12:34] <rwabel> jdub: yeah great nautilus and trahsapplet did the job. thank you very much
[12:35] <zenwhen> I think 128 Might be ok, but I am getting a 256MB stick for it and a small monitor so I can use synergy to add it to my desktop.
[12:35] <zenwhen> :)
[12:35] <Marble2> anyone?
[12:35] <Pozac> Marble2, hold on, lemme install it...
[12:35] <zenwhen> Marble2, you get sound in everything else?
[12:35] <stuNNed_> jdub, any idea why it might be slow?
[12:35] <Marble2> yea
[12:35] <stuNNed_> jdub, this is ubuntu unstable, current.
[12:35] <Marble2> xmms and such gets sound
[12:36] <Marble2> brb bathroom
[12:36] <ogra> stuNNed_: with xcompmanager ?
[12:36] <rwabel> jdub: but after a logout and login again the same problem
[12:36] <zenwhen> have you tried multiple files Marble2
[12:36] <zenwhen> ?
[12:36] <stuNNed_> ogra, not sure if i'm using that or not, haven't manually enabled it.
[12:36] <jdub> rwabel: do it again, and save your session as you log out
[12:36] <jdub> stuNNed_: no strong ideas, no
[12:37] <ogra> stuNNed_: it draws shadows around your windows and you have to enable it .....
[12:37] <stuNNed_> ogra, then no
[12:37] <rwabel> judb: thanks
[12:37] <stuNNed_> jdub, could be 'nvidia' drivers or whatever agp i'm using you think?
[12:37] <stuNNed_> ogra, thanks
[12:37] <jdub> stuNNed_: dunno
[12:38] <Marble2> yes zenwhen
[12:38] <ogra> stuNNed_: nvidia drivers form where ? are there any for xorg already ?
[12:38] <Marble2> i have
[12:38] <stuNNed_> ogra, yes
[12:38] <stuNNed_> ogra, using what's in ubuntu unstable
[12:38] <stuNNed_> ogra, which is not latest afaik
[12:38] <zenwhen> Do OTHER video apps exhibit this issue?
[12:38] <Pozac> Marble2, hmm.. do you have the sound server enabled?
[12:39] <Pozac> I again recommend totem-xine.
[12:39] <Marble2> i'll try totem-xine
[12:39] <zenwhen> Check Settings -> preferences and make sure "Use spdif when available" isnt checked as well.
[12:39] <Pozac> xmms is like winamp in the old days, and totem-xine is like a good edition of the classic windows media player :)
[12:39] <zenwhen> under Audio.
[12:39] <zenwhen> Gxine is good as well.
[12:39] <Pozac> BEFORE everyone had to live off writing media players :(
[12:40] <Marble2> i just unchecked it zenwhen
[12:40] <Marble2> still no audio
[12:40] <zenwhen> damn
[12:40] <Pozac> try running vlc from a terminal and see if it shows errors
[12:40] <Pozac> like /dev/dsp in use or whatnot
[12:42] <Marble2> the hell
[12:42] <Marble2> a vlc restart fixed it
[12:42] <Marble2> works like a charm now
[12:42] <Pozac> It might be the sound server :)
[12:42] <zenwhen> It ws the spdif thing i bet.
[12:42] <tha_gamemaster> vlc is good
[12:42] <Marble2> probably
[12:42] <zenwhen> KMIX does the same thing if you install KDE but it takes away ALL sound.
[12:42] <zenwhen> lol
[12:43] <Pozac> I've had some sync issues with it in the past
[12:43] <rwabel> judb: by default it saves the session. is there a way to tell gnome to do it explicit?
[12:44] <Pozac> gnome-session-save perhaps?
[12:44] <jdub> rwabel: it doesn't save the session by default. click log out, look at the option at the bottom of the logout box.
[12:45] <jblack> Hmmm. Either at or atq is broken
[12:46] <rwabel> jdub: there are no option only logout, reboot and shutdown
[12:46] <jblack> looks like at
[12:46] <Pozac> My at says Garbled time
[12:46] <Pozac> hehe
[12:47] <jdub> rwabel: 'save current setup' at the top
[12:47] <euphoria> hi all
[12:47] <zenwhen> hey
[12:47] <Pozac> rwabel, you can run 'gnome-session-save'
[12:47] <rwabel> jdub: strange. are you sure.... and then the 3 options
[12:48] <rwabel> pozac: thanks gonna try that
[12:48] <tha_gamemaster> how can I test what type of framebuffer I'm running ?
[12:48] <tha_gamemaster> like what driver it's using from the kernel.
[12:48] <Pozac> rwabel, I also have that option
[12:49] <tha_gamemaster> brb
[12:50] <rwabel> pozac: yes, it worked. thanks...must have a different logout version. or maybe it's a setting question in gnome
[12:50] <rwabel> thanks for the help
[12:50] <Pozac> np
[12:52] <Pozac> Who is Remote?
[12:53] <euphoria> im newbiwe and come from spain :) im try to install a lucent modem, in download a ltmodem-8.31a10.tar.gz and im build i .deb later im put dpkg -i filename and all ok but when im try put modeprobe lt_serial say module not found, im dont have a modprobe.conf file ???
[12:53] <euphoria> im see some post but nothing work for me
[12:55] <tha_gamemaster> are there any precompiled kernel images for ubuntu with the nv kernel framebuffer compiled in? Or should be apt-get'n the kernel sources now ^_^
[12:56] <mdke> tha_gamemaster, what are you trying to do?
[12:56] <tha_gamemaster> get hardware acceleration for my video
[12:56] <Pozac> early nv framebuffer perhaps?
[12:56] <mdke> ok
[12:57] <euphoria> im install the kernel header from the synaptic and im download the driver from linmodem.org
[12:57] <mdke> tha_gamemaster, check out the wiki
[12:57] <mdke> tha_gamemaster, lemme find the right page
[12:57] <euphoria> im dont have internet in my ubuntu
[12:57] <tha_gamemaster> mdke I was in the wiki, I couldn't find what I was looking for, can you point me a little closer?
[12:57] <tha_gamemaster> mdke, ah thanks for looking ^_^
[12:58] <ogra> tha_gamemaster: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:58] <Pozac> Marble2, By the way, you should do a search in synaptic for xmms.. there are lots of plugins for it :)
[12:58] <mdke> ogra, gimme 5
[12:59] <ogra> botting slow today *g*
[12:59] <mdke> *grins*
[12:59] <mdke> /slap ogra
[12:59] <xevil> tha_gamemaster: you need the nvidia-glx package or d/l the source and compile it for yourself
[12:59] <tha_gamemaster> ogra, did I forget to mention I'm not using x86 ^_^
[12:59] <ogra> loo
[12:59] <ogra> tha_gamemaster: hmm
[12:59] <tha_gamemaster> xevil, does the source work on ppc?
[01:00] <xevil> tha_gamemaster: uh... you didn't mention that... I don't know
[01:00] <ogra> mdke: why the namechange ? just realized it.....
[01:00] <mdke> ogra, i was sick of having a | in my name :)
[01:00] <tha_gamemaster> xevil, yea, I know, we really need an ubuntu ppc channel ^_^
[01:00] <mdke> these are my initials
[01:01] <mdke> ogra, how are you doin?
[01:01] <mdke> been to spain on holiday?
[01:02] <ogra> mdke: so so..... working in my hated job again after an enlightening time in mataro is pretty hard
[01:02] <mdke> enlightening?
[01:02] <mdke> tell me more
[01:03] <xevil> tha_gamemaster: read this: http://www.petitiononline.com/nvppclin/petition.html
[01:03] <ogra> mdke: i was one week in mataro and the last one i took off (for illness) in my comp.....
[01:04] <tha_gamemaster> xevil, thank you very much ^_^
[01:04] <mdke> ogra, hopefully you'll get a new job soon
[01:04] <xevil> tha_gamemaster: looks like support for ppc is pretty much non-existant
[01:04] <euphoria> im go to sleep, im tired
[01:04] <euphoria> see you
[01:04] <euphoria> :)
[01:04] <mdke> euphoria, nite. sorry for the lack of help
[01:04] <euphoria> tomorow it a other day  xD
[01:05] <mdke> true
[01:05] <mdke> or not actually
[01:05] <mdke> its already tomorrow
[01:05] <ogra> mdke: heh
[01:05] <mdke> ogra, so what did you do in spain?
[01:06] <tha_gamemaster> xevil, yea I figured as much, I knew there was a reason I removed gentoo and mandrake from this iMac before...
[01:06] <ogra> mdke: learning and listening a lot
[01:06] <ogra> mdke: meeting cool ppl
[01:06] <mdke> :)
[01:06] <ogra> mdke: taking photos: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConferenceGalleries
[01:06] <tha_gamemaster> os x is just SO draining on these resources... I just need more ram to enjoy the  computer I suppose.
[01:06] <mdke> what were they talking about?
[01:06] <Blackwell> "ram is like sex, ..."
[01:07] <ogra> mdke: and starting this: http://www.grawert.net/xss_shot_1.png
[01:07] <merk> I'm new to ubuntu.  I've been using Linux for ten years for my pc.  So I've got a coupla questions.  Is therea utiility for setting mode lines under XFConfig?  My screen is slightly off center and it's annoying.  There are things on the right side I can't read or access.
[01:07] <tha_gamemaster> Blackwell, ain't it the truth ^_^
[01:07] <ogra> mdke: all the special ubuntu stuff.... some basics on packaging and the exciting launchpad stuff
[01:07] <tha_gamemaster> oh well, kernel compilation time.
[01:07] <Blackwell> urgs, my sympathies.
[01:08] <ogra> mdke: indeed there was a lot more, but thats what i picked.....
[01:08] <mdke> ogra, what is that xss thing?
[01:08] <ogra> mdke: and the cool new desktop thingies that will come with hoary ... hehe
[01:08] <ogra> mdke: the xsceensaver lock dialog
[01:08] <tha_gamemaster> Anyone got any suggestions before I  compile my  first ubuntu kernel? (so far I've done gentoo and debian)
[01:09] <sjoerd> oh, the kicking cops picture :)
[01:09] <Blackwell> tha_gamemaster: you'll do fine i bet.
[01:09] <Blackwell> you don't sound like a kernel recompilation allergic like me.
[01:09] <ogra> sjoerd: in the gallery ?
[01:09] <sjoerd> http://www.grawert.net/mataro/img113.jpeg.html
[01:09] <ogra> sjoerd: i took also the toilet signs
[01:10] <ogra> sjoerd: for fabio, he was so impressed
[01:10] <tha_gamemaster> Blackwell nope, but then again, just because you're not allergic, doesn't mean you're the first to run and participate ~_^
[01:10] <sjoerd> hehe
[01:10] <sjoerd> ogra: where was that again
[01:10] <ogra> sjoerd: in the last bar before the big party
[01:10] <sjoerd> oh right
[01:11] <xevil> tha_gamemaster: get kernel-package and have fun...
[01:11] <tha_gamemaster> xevil, thanks ^_^
[01:12] <xevil> tha_gamemaster: did you use kernel-package with Debian?
[01:13] <mdke> gtkpod takes bloody ages to add directories to the list
[01:13] <mdke> anyone else use gtkpod?
[01:14] <Tyche> Hey everyone
[01:15] <rwabel> I've just tested out the shadow feature of x.org. Looks nice, but the system gets unusable due to too much ressource usage.
[01:15] <ogra> rwabel: yep
[01:15] <ogra> rwabel: its a known issue.....
[01:15] <Tyche> I'm setting up my ubuntu server and I'm looking for a simple yet nice looking CMS for my personal web site. Image gallery, news, web links...can you suggest anything?
[01:16] <rwabel> ogra: I hear, didn't think that it would be so heavy ! but nice to see ;-)
[01:16] <Pugio> Does anyone know of any way to determine whether my network card is working or not?
[01:16] <Pugio> I'm having problems with getting it to connect to anything
[01:17] <Pugio> The case is: I have a cable plugged into my router, the cable works fine on my laptop
[01:17] <mdke> Pugio, ifconfig
[01:17] <ogra_dogwalk> rwabel: it will get lighter and faster..... ita a matter of time ;)
[01:17] <Tyche> pugio: can you do a ifconfig from cmd prompt
[01:17] <Pugio> I did
[01:17] <Pugio> hang on
[01:17] <Pugio> let me switch the cable out
[01:17] <mdke> Pugio, does it show up?
[01:17] <rwabel> ogra: isn't it a problem with the opengl?
[01:17] <Tyche> Any CMS that you guys use?
[01:17] <Blackwell> "Pugio quit (Connection reset by peer)" ;)
[01:18] <Blackwell> (not that cable, i hope)
[01:18] <mdke> Pugio, if it doesn't show up
[01:18] <Pugio> ok
[01:18] <ogra_dogwalk> rwabel: rahter with the apps i think.....
[01:18] <Pugio> had to switch the cable
[01:18] <mdke> try ifconfig -a
[01:18] <Pugio> I'm using the laptop's wireless
[01:18] <mdke> Tyche, what is cms?
[01:18] <Pozac> content management system
[01:18] <Pugio> ifconfig eth0 shows up
[01:18] <Pugio> but It can't connect to anything
[01:19] <rwabel> ogra: why with the apps? aren't the apps independent of it?
[01:19] <Pugio> and yet, I had just connected to you using the very same cable/connection
[01:19] <Blackwell> Pugio: ping gets through?
[01:19] <Pugio> nope
[01:19] <Pugio> nothing
[01:19] <SeFoKumA> yeah
[01:19] <Tyche> mdke: A Content Management System. So that I can have a personal website with nice admin utilities to add news, images and links.
[01:19] <Pugio> it doesn't even have an ip
[01:19] <Pugio> and I can't figure out how to get it working
[01:19] <mdke> Pugio, how are you starting it?
[01:19] <Blackwell> Pugio: pinging what, some windows or firewalled box? what's the ip config of both? does it show a link on the router?
[01:19] <Pugio> ok
[01:20] <Pugio> here's the deal
[01:20] <Pugio> my network is mostly unfirewalled
[01:20] <Pugio> I'm pinging a Mac OS X machine
[01:20] <Pugio> the eth0 card has no Ip address
[01:20] <Pugio> the Ubuntu network settings control has the card
[01:20] <Blackwell> Pugio: does that os x box respond to pings? make sure it does. have an ip address. no worky without, i guess.
[01:21] <Pugio> but every time I click "Activate" it activates for a sec and then deactivates
[01:21] <Blackwell> Pugio: maybe the system log shows why?
[01:21] <Pugio> ok, the box does respond to pings
[01:21] <Pugio> erm, which one?
[01:21] <Pugio> (what's the command for that again?)
[01:21] <Blackwell> Pugio: the one on the machine which fails to activate the network card.
[01:21] <Pugio> right, what I meant was, where's that log located
[01:21] <Blackwell> i expect the system log shows which module is attempted to be loaded (if any) and why it fails.
[01:22] <Pugio> woops
[01:22] <Blackwell> Pugio: no idea :)
[01:22] <Pugio> duh!
[01:22] <Pugio> hang on
[01:22] <Pugio> this is a standard ubuntu install
[01:22] <Pugio> ok here we go
[01:22] <pkellow> does anyone know how to fix the broken package of the samba?
[01:22] <Pugio> I got something
[01:22] <pkellow> i would greatly appreciate it
[01:23] <Blackwell> pkellow: remove and install again?
[01:23] <pkellow> just the samba
[01:23] <Blackwell> pkellow: or install a package from somewhere else? windows style admin approach, i know, but hey, might work. :)
[01:23] <Pugio> It says: "localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 11
[01:24] <Pugio> there's a whole bunch of those
[01:24] <Pugio> with the last interval number changing each time
[01:24] <Pugio> then it says "localhost dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received
[01:24] <Blackwell> Pugio: seems you should configure an ip address.
[01:25] <Pugio> but I'm using a DHCP server
[01:25] <Blackwell> it goes offline because it is configured to use DHCP and fails to acquire an ip config that way, i guess.
[01:25] <Blackwell> Pugio: <shrug> i'd do without dhcp first, just to make sure everything is ok without dhcp anyway.
[01:25] <Pugio> right, but it's never done this before
[01:25] <Pugio> ok, hang on
[01:25] <Blackwell> now it does. :)
[01:25] <pkellow> umm what is the last version of samba that works with ubunut
[01:26] <Blackwell> ubunut, nice one :)
[01:26] <Pugio> i already tried to give it a static ip
[01:26] <Pugio> but here goes again
[01:26] <Blackwell> pkellow: ubuntu is debian, i hear. so...
[01:26] <Blackwell> Pugio: tried and failed? or tried and succeeded, yet no change of state?
[01:26] <Pugio> tried and failed
[01:26] <pkellow> i know its debian i was just wondering
[01:26] <Pugio> butk, as I said, here goes again
[01:27] <Blackwell> ah, so get that manual ip configuration going first, i guess. :)
[01:27] <Blackwell> pkellow: unless it says otherwise, we must assume that it is "100% compatible", i guess.
[01:27] <Pugio> right, but that's not working either
[01:28] <Pugio> I'm at a loss
[01:28] <macewan> the ladies smile as macewan announces that he's back
[01:28] <Blackwell> Pugio: you fail at configuring the ip address of your network card?
[01:28] <Blackwell> there's ladies in here? <drool>
[01:28] <Pugio> well, it configures, (i'm using the ubuntu GUI for network config) but I still can't connect to anything
[01:29] <macewan> :)
[01:29] <Blackwell> Pugio: post the ip config of both boxes.
[01:29] <Pugio> ok
[01:29] <Blackwell> or post somewhere, don't know if channel is okay. just don't flood.
[01:29] <Pugio> it's only 3 fields
[01:30] <Pugio> Dead Box: ip: 192.168.123.150 - subnet: 255.255.255.255.0 - gateway: 192.168.123.254
[01:30] <Blackwell> that subnet mask worries me.
[01:30] <Pugio> Live Bod: ip: 192.168.123.172 - the rest is the same
[01:30] <Pugio> erm
[01:31] <Pugio> sorry
[01:31] <Pugio> that's only 3 sets of 255
[01:31] <Pugio> not four
[01:31] <Blackwell> :)
[01:31] <Pugio> the DNS servers are also identical
[01:31] <Pugio> as I said, it worked fine before
[01:31] <Pugio> just not anymore
[01:31] <krischan> Hey, what application are available to play back MIDI files?
[01:32] <Blackwell> Pugio: who provides the dhcp service?
[01:32] <Pugio> my router
[01:32] <Pugio> remember, it's hard configured now anyway
[01:33] <Pugio> I have an Asante something or other router
[01:33] <Pugio> it's worked ok before
[01:33] <Blackwell> Pugio: does the router activity led light up when you fire up ping or the activation of the network interface?
[01:34] <Blackwell> brute method to check, i know, but...
[01:34] <Blackwell> Pugio: i assume the router provides dhcp service to the other boxes ok?
[01:34] <Blackwell> Pugio: the router/nic link leds are lit?
[01:34] <Pugio> hmm
[01:34] <Blackwell> Pugio: using another port on the router doesn't change anything?
[01:34] <Pugio> they weren't
[01:34] <Pugio> nope
[01:34] <Pugio> but...
[01:34] <Pugio> I think I got it
[01:35] <Pugio> dumb dumb dumb me
[01:35] <Blackwell> well, no link no fun
[01:35] <Blackwell> you used the wrong port? ;)
[01:35] <Pugio> no
[01:35] <Pugio> this cable is slightly messed up
[01:35] <Blackwell> aha
[01:35] <Pugio> it doesn't seat right in the slot
[01:35] <Blackwell> no spare to play with, eh?
[01:35] <fender> need some help, how do you get audio from a dvd? can't install dvdrip or ffmpeg. which would do the job.
[01:35] <Pugio> it worked on the laptop
[01:35] <Pugio> cause the slot was slightly smaller
[01:35] <Pugio> nope, no spares
[01:35] <Pugio> actually, this was my spare
[01:36] <Blackwell> Pugio: get some, too cheap to miss
[01:36] <Blackwell> haha :)
[01:36] <Pugio> i know
[01:36] <sgood1971> Can anyone tell me how to open a port?
[01:36] <Blackwell> sgood1971: run a software which listens on that port.
[01:36] <fender> need some help, how do you get audio from a dvd? can't install dvdrip or ffmpeg. which would do the job.
[01:36] <Pugio> now, lets see if I can stuff something into this slot to seat it
[01:36] <Blackwell> fender: repeating is not friendly, esp. not at these intervals.
[01:37] <sgood1971> Blackwell: I am trying to run amule and I get a lowid because I need 4266 opened. I tried sudo iptables -I INPUT 1 -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 4662 -j ACCEPT but it still is not open.
[01:37] <Blackwell> Pugio: try to switch cables around, if that is an option. configure the interface back, too, i guess.
[01:37] <Blackwell> sgood1971: haha, alright. no clue about linux firewall stuff, sorry.
[01:38] <fender> does anyone know how to get audio from a dvd on to my hard drive?
[01:38] <Blackwell> hello mrs. ubuntu :)
[01:38] <Blackwell> fender: slightly rephrasing may still be considered repeating.
[01:39] <Pugio> well, I finally was able to kick someone else off of the other machine
[01:39] <Pugio> so, now I'm testing it with his cable and it works fine - of course
[01:39] <fender> blackwell:well, i want to know how to get audio from a dvd.
[01:39] <sgood1971> fender: There is a thread on http://linuxquestions.org that covers dvd-shrink using wine.
[01:40] <Pugio> but, the cable works on his machine (the "dead" one)
[01:40] <Pugio> so everythings great now:)
[01:40] <Pugio> thanks for the help
[01:40] <fender> sgood1971:thank you, i'll try it.
[01:40] <sgood1971> fender: just use the search and look for dvd shrink
[01:42] <macewan> fender: mplayer does this I believe
[01:43] <fender> yeah, i think it uses ffmpeg. well, i think it does. but i can't get ffmpeg, failed dependencies
[01:43] <tha_game|away> fender http://www.digital-digest.com, they have some linux software there, otherwise mplayer and transcode (if you want to do some well worth-while learning). Also there is DVD::RIP for linux.
[01:44] <tha_game|away> (mplayer/mencoder)
[01:44] <fender> i know about dvdrip, used it on freebsd, can't get to work on ubuntu, dependencies is a nightmare when trying to install dvdrip on suse. tried downloading transcode, same problem with that, failed dependencies.
[01:45] <fender> downloaded mplayer through apt-get and it doesn't work, doesn't load.
[01:45] <macewan> why are sound blaster cards such a bitch with ubuntu??
[01:45] <tha_game|away> fender intersting, I used to use dvdrip through mandrake and had no problems...
[01:46] <tha_game|away> macewan pci or isa?
[01:46] <macewan> pci
[01:46] <tha_game|away> macewan, hrm, I haven't tried it myself but I will be trying it soon, pci should be no problem...
[01:47] <fender> if you got to dvdrip's website it needs 10 or more dependencies including mplayer.
[01:47] <tha_game|away> fender, and ubuntu/debian doesn't have all the binary dependencies?
[01:47] <macewan> two different sound blaster types were tried, both barfed in different ways.
[01:47] <fender> well, i've only started using ubuntu and i think it
[01:48] <tha_game|away> macewan, ya got me, I've still  not messed with it on ubuntu.
[01:48] <fender> is a pleasure to use.
[01:48] <macewan> true pleasure, I use it at work.
[01:48] <tha_game|away> fender, I agree with you completely as I am in the same situation.  I'll be trying what you're doing in the next couple of days, if you have not gotten it to work by then and I am successful, I will guide you through it.
[01:49] <fender> ok
[01:50] <lexhider> does anyone else not have a logout menu item in hoary?
[01:51] <jlund> I''m trying to add a program to the existing 'Internet' group in the Applications menu but going to 'applications://' in nautilus is giving me an error. How do I manually add a program?
[01:51] <macewan> compiling latest alsa-driver, should i compile oss emulation
[01:51] <fender> i got the audio from an mpeg file, using ffmpeg, but you need to use a few commands in the terminal or shell.
[01:51] <tha_game|away> nrn
[01:51] <tha_game|away> brb*
[01:51] <cardador> lexhider: that happens to me normally after a dist-upgrade. try ro restart x, or reboot.
[01:52] <macewan> lexhider: never had that while i used hoary
[01:52] <magnon> me neither
[01:53] <lexhider> interesting, I've currently had to put a logout applet on panel.
[01:53] <fender> i got the audio from an mpeg file in freebsd, only problem is i'm trying to get the audio from the source...DVD.
[01:53] <fender> in ubuntu.
[01:54] <lexhider> I'll see if I can rectify
[01:55] <jlund> I'm trying to add a program to the existing 'Internet' group in the Applications menu but going to 'applications://' in nautilus is giving me an error. How do I manually add a program?
[01:55] <macewan> just right click from the menu itself
[01:56] <jlund> That closes the Applications list
[01:56] <jlund> I am on Hoary, dunno if that matters
[01:56] <tha_game|away> fender let me install ffmpeg and see if i can do it.
[01:56] <macewan> applications > Internet 'right click in the Internet menu on top of one of the existing 'net apps'
[01:58] <jlund> macewan: that closes the launcher
[01:58] <ogra> jlund: its currently not possible in hoary
[01:58] <jlund> oh
[01:58] <jlund> Why is that?
[01:59] <ogra> jlund: because its hoary
[01:59] <ogra> jlund: its in steady development
[01:59] <fender> the_game|way: go to http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/en/separate/tricks.html for some information, it might be a little bit useful.
[02:00] <jlund> Hm, seems like a weird thing to not be able to do
[02:00] <ogra> jlund: be happy that nothing essential is currently broken ;)
[02:00] <jlund> Oh well, I just added a little icon for it which works
[02:00] <jlund> Yes, I am very happy with hoary
[02:00] <jlund> I'm glad it's not just me!
[02:00] <jlund> Thanks
[02:00] <ogra> jlund: it will get fixed.....
[02:01] <tha_game|away> fender, checking...
[02:02] <tha_game|away> fender, yea that's what i was gunna recommend but you can't get mplayer installed.
[02:02] <jlund> ogra - I have no doubt of that. I will keep doing updates and dist-upgrades :)
[02:02] <ogra> ;)
[02:02] <kergan> is it ok i do a sysinfo script in here
[02:02] <kergan> ??
[02:03] <fender> you see, i don't have transcode or ffmpeg, or at least i think i don't. it's quite a difficult problem.
[02:04] <kergan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.889 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 290/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.82G Free: 18.50G Procs: 80 Uptime: 2 days 4 hrs 21 mins 36 secs Load: 2.57 2.28 2.20  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 502.04M Out: 37.65M
[02:04] <kergan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.889 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 290/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.82G Free: 18.50G Procs: 80 Uptime: 2 days 4 hrs 21 mins 37 secs Load: 2.57 2.28 2.20  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 502.04M Out: 37.65M
[02:04] <kergan> opps
[02:05] <kergan> hmm
[02:05] <imka> i need to recrute some hungarian ubuntu users so they help me on rosetta
[02:06] <kergan> i am trying to get ppl on my irc network to convert to ubuntu
[02:06] <kergan> specaly for the irc servers
[02:06] <kergan> ubuntu is far stabler than suse
[02:06] <dataw0lf> good for you.
[02:07] <imka> kergan it's not hard to convince some1 for ubuntu :)
[02:07] <kergan> i agree
[02:07] <kergan> the 1 person i was trying to convert was wanting to try gentoo
[02:07] <dataw0lf> so it's not much of an announcement.
[02:07] <kergan> and i talked him out of it
[02:08] <tha_game|away> has anyone successfully installed mplayer on ubuntu?
[02:08] <kergan> me
[02:08] <imka> tha_game yes, earlier
[02:08] <kergan> but it dont work like it should
[02:08] <imka> but it wouldnt work with my new install
[02:09] <tha_game|away> imka, I'm trying to get fender some help with installation, can't find anything in the wiki...
[02:09] <imka> i think its because of package conflicts. i have totem-xine with w32codecs and libdvdcss and it works like a charm. gnome look and feel rulz
[02:09] <kergan> i like the gnome-xine
[02:10] <tha_game|away> yea but we need the mplayer for some video editing.
[02:10] <kergan> tha_game|away,  cant you use xine
[02:10] <ogra> tha_game|away: tried kino for that ?
[02:10] <imka> tha_game if you really want it, you need to add a line to sources.list
[02:11] <tha_game|away> orga kino doesn't use mpeg2 video (especially not of the vob calibur)
[02:11] <tha_game|away> kergan xine for video editing?
[02:11] <tha_game|away> brb
[02:11] <imka> tha_game what kinda video editing. just cutting or what?
[02:12] <ogra> imka: vob indicates video cd
[02:12] <bob2> vob indicates dvd
[02:12] <ogra> bob2: hey bob
[02:12] <ogra> bob2: home again ?
[02:12] <imka> ah okay, vob. sry
[02:13] <bob2> yeah, only took...35 hours
[02:13] <bob2> including a missed flight
[02:13] <ogra> :-O
[02:13] <Gwildor> hello :)
[02:13] <Gwildor>  i just installed enlightenment, and, before, i have installed other WM that didnt make it to the <session> menu at the log in screen
[02:13] <ogra> but at least you got it warm there
[02:13] <sulkd> imka: I got w32 codecs in /usr/lib/win32 and still totem isn't showing wmvs.. how'd you configure it?
[02:13] <Gwildor> any idea how to add them
[02:14] <bob2> just don't use totem
[02:14] <bob2> install mplayer or gxine
[02:14] <imka> use totem-xine
[02:14] <lexhider> well, I still haven't got a logout menu thing, I'll just hope it returns in a dist-upgrade in the future.
[02:14] <bob2> totem-xine is a waste of your time
[02:14] <imka> the default totem uses gstreamer, which kinda sucks
[02:14] <bob2> a simple rhyme to give you...lime
[02:14] <ogra> bob2: hmm, never had probs with it
[02:15] <imka> bob2 i guess its a matter of preference. it works for me
[02:15] <bob2> gstreamer is prohibited by law from being awesome
[02:15] <imka> lol
[02:15] <ogra> bob2: lol
[02:15] <bob2> imka: ogra you guys won't come complaining here when your hoary upgrade breaks, tho
[02:15] <bob2> other people will, since they don't know what ubuntu-desktop is for
[02:15] <ogra> bob2: i know what to do ;)
[02:16] <imka> bob2 do you really think a missing ubuntu-desktop will break things? im not sure
[02:16] <ogra> btw, vlc is a good tool too
[02:16] <ogra> imka: it will !
[02:16] <bob2> imka: lack of gamin on hoary makes things irritatingly slow
[02:17] <imka> well, in that case, i just install ubuntu-desktop be4 upgrading and then reinstall totem-xine
[02:17] <imka> but why would it break it?
[02:17] <Blackwell> grmblfx, doesn't use the keyboard layout i specified at install time, grrr
[02:17] <kergan> i never had the prob of missing ubuntu-desktop
[02:17] <imka> kergan, r u running hoary?
[02:18] <kergan> yes
[02:18] <imka> cool
[02:18] <Blackwell> that's...not nice when trying to login with the non ascii char containing password you so cleverly chose...
[02:18] <mike998> just say I wanted to try running hoary but didnk'
[02:18] <ogra> night all
[02:18] <imka> night
[02:18] <kergan> and it works just as well ass the werty
[02:18] <mike998> t want to reinstall my warty...  could I do it by changing my repositories?
[02:18] <bob2> mike998: you can move to hoary from warty without reinstalling, but not the other way round
[02:18] <sulkd> heh.. ubuntu-desktop is just a virtual package.. it gets "removed" in your dist-upgrade whenever a package it represents is removed, like when they refactor some of the Ubuntu specific stuff and a package gets thrown out or renamed
[02:19] <bob2> sulkd: no it dopesn't
[02:19] <sulkd> the entire thing doesnt get removed when you see that
[02:19] <imka> well, i keep hearing this and that how important ubuntu-desktop is. but people who don't have it and upgraded say it 's okay
[02:19] <fender> can't believe it, need audio from a dvd, totem plays audio and no video. lol.
[02:19] <bob2> imka: yes, it's fine to remove it, if you know what it does
[02:19] <mike998> bob2: clarify for me... Hoary is gonna be the next release, right?  or was it the last release?
[02:19] <imka> yea, it's just a meta package
[02:19] <kergan> fender,  check for the dvdcss
[02:19] <bob2> imka: encouraging "newbies" to remove it means they will get lost and broken systems at some point in the future
[02:19] <bob2> mike998: next
[02:20] <imka> bob2 aight sir, i shut up LOL
[02:20] <bob2> mike998: but it's under very heavy development, don't upgrade unless you can handle a broken system and don't mind things changing a lot
[02:20] <fender> i havwe got dvdcss, i played the dvd earlier with ogle.
[02:20] <kergan> hmm
[02:20] <kergan> check your vidoe settings
[02:20] <imka> i'm off for a cigarette
[02:20] <mike998> bob2: I was considering doing so in order to challenge myself a little more and force myself to learn more
[02:21] <mike998> cheers, anyway
[02:21] <kergan> fender manke shure it outputting the video to the right source devise
[02:22] <IcE-bOy> hi
[02:22] <kergan> hello
[02:22] <IcE-bOy> where can i find firefox 1.0 for ubuntu ?
[02:22] <fender> works now. kergan.
[02:22] <IcE-bOy> i have look into multiverse and universe but i don't find it
[02:22] <IcE-bOy> only 0.9
[02:22] <kergan> in the resportiorys IcE-bOy
[02:22] <IcE-bOy> kergan, what repository ?
[02:22] <mike_douglas> IcE-bOy: check the backport project
[02:22] <kergan> in the houry
[02:23] <bob2> ew
[02:23] <bob2> no
[02:23] <bob2> IcE-bOy: it's in hoary
[02:23] <macewan> grab it from moz*.org
[02:23] <kergan> i cant spell
[02:23] <bob2> IcE-bOy: which will be releasaed in april
[02:23] <kergan> lol
[02:23] <IcE-bOy> hoary? anybody can pass me a source from hoary ?
[02:23] <fender> next version of ubuntu released in april?
[02:25] <bob2> IcE-bOy: what feature does 1.0 have that 0.9.3 doesn't that you want so much?
[02:26] <kergan> bob2,  none
[02:27] <kergan> its for to say i got the lates and greatest
[02:27] <kergan> hehehe
[02:27] <IcE-bOy> bob2, i want to use themes that only works with 1.0
[02:27] <aeruder> is there some where i can file bug reports on a certain package? because gtk-gnutella has the /usr/share stuff, but the rest of the files aren't in the .deb
[02:27] <IcE-bOy> but i'm upgrading now to hoary
[02:27] <macewan> iceboy: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpgradingToFirefox10/diff
[02:27] <speel> ah your going to regret it lol
[02:28] <macewan> ;) have fun with x.org
[02:28] <IcE-bOy> :)
[02:28] <speel> IcE-bOy: i advise you from experence lol dont do it
[02:28] <sulkd> aeruder, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:29] <kergan> ya hoary ant for the faint of hart
[02:29] <macewan> I'm back with warty too
[02:29] <kergan> and you have to know some basic linux stuff
[02:29] <speel> hoary is like a chair with one leg
[02:29] <IcE-bOy> why ?
[02:29] <IcE-bOy> what happened with hoary ?
[02:29] <macewan> and a kickstand
[02:29] <speel> things are missing and buggy
[02:29] <IcE-bOy> uff
[02:29] <kergan> speel its more like it has 3 legs and it needs 4
[02:29] <macewan> x is sloooowwww
[02:29] <speel> lol
[02:29] <Blackwell> hm. can one change the keyboard layout used at login?
[02:30] <IcE-bOy> # apt-get install mozilla-firefox -t hoary
[02:30] <IcE-bOy> ;)
[02:30] <macewan> anyone installed the latest alsa-*?
[02:31] <kergan> brb and let me tell you it that works
[02:31] <kergan> must reboot just casue i got done doing my daly dist-upgrade
[02:35] <kergan> works here
[02:36] <kergan> alsa too
[02:36] <Gwildor>  i just installed enlightenment, and, before, i have installed other WM that didnt make it to the <session> menu at the log in screen
[02:36] <Gwildor> any idea how to add them
[02:37] <kergan> Gwildor,  i dont have a clue
[02:37] <kergan> wish i did
[02:37] <kergan> but gnome is wot i use
[02:38] <bob2> DagaZ: can you please turn that off?
[02:38] <bob2> Gwildor: try asking on the list
[02:38] <kergan> better yet search the list first
[02:38] <Hikaru79> Anyone know of an MD-Player that has ATRAC3 support, comes with a backlit LCD remote, and has an FM radio tuner? =/
[02:38] <Gwildor> bob2, kergan , thnx :)
[02:39] <kergan> n/p
[02:39] <kergan> its allways best to search the list before you ask that way you ant asken the same question 2ce
[02:40] <bob2> Hikaru79: www.minidisc.org
[02:40] <aeruder> any devs around that i could talk to about a package in universal that is broken that is not broken in debian?
[02:40] <aeruder> (its missing half the files in ubuntu)
[02:41] <scoon> hello all
[02:41] <scoon> how is life w/ the best distro to date ?
[02:41] <kergan> i love it
[02:41] <kergan> much better than mdk 10.1
[02:42] <Gwildor> kergan, have anyidea what i sould "search" for
[02:42] <DagaZ> bob2: sure I can.. consider it done ;)
[02:43] <kergan> try enlightiment , ommm session, adding it
[02:43] <kergan> so on
[02:44] <macewan> ok, wish me luck. brb
[02:44] <Crane> hello
[02:44] <scizzo> hi
[02:44] <kergan> hello
[02:45] <Crane> Just wondering about ubuntu
[02:45] <kergan> what do you want to know
[02:45] <Crane> lol not sure
[02:45] <Crane> is it rpm based?
[02:46] <kergan> No
[02:46] <Crane> I'm thinking of giving it a try
[02:46] <kergan> its debian package based
[02:46] <imka> Crane, fortunately: no
[02:46] <Crane> fortunately?
[02:46] <kergan> it uses apt-get
[02:46] <kergan> and you dont get that with rpms
[02:46] <imka> i know it's offtopic, but who wants gmail? i got 8 invites left
[02:46] <speel> deb is betterthen rpm .. in my opinion ;P
[02:47] <kergan> i agree
[02:47] <imka> Crane, apt is the queen of package managers
[02:47] <Crane> lol
[02:47] <kergan> imka i have 5 gmail invites to give
[02:47] <imka> lol
[02:47] <Crane> I have run Debian before but I learned on redhat fedora
[02:47] <Crane> lol
[02:47] <speel> hey i have a question you know how debian is like 7 cds .. do you need them all?
[02:48] <kergan> Blackwell,  nope
[02:48] <Crane> no
[02:48] <aeruder> speel: you need cd #1
[02:48] <imka> Crane, if you like gnome and easy package management, try ubuntu.
[02:48] <aeruder> although its curious you are asking in here...
[02:48] <speel> thats it?
[02:48] <kergan> yep
[02:48] <aeruder> speel: for a base install (which consists of nearly nothing) yes
[02:48] <scoon> let me say this about ubuntu
[02:48] <scoon> linux has been my only OS since 1998
[02:49] <scoon> i have run them all, including gentoo
[02:49] <Crane> I will when I get home
[02:49] <speel> does it have gnome and the nessary stuff on cd 1
[02:49] <scoon> ubuntu is the best yet.
[02:49] <Crane> gentoo kicked my butt
[02:49] <Crane> tlol
[02:49] <scoon> super stable and very nice.
[02:49] <kergan> linux is on my main box and i have winxp as my file server
[02:49] <aeruder> speel: i doubt it
[02:49] <scoon> that sux
[02:49] <scoon> winxp is crap
[02:49] <scoon> i am sorry for you.
[02:49] <speel> hmmph
[02:49] <kergan> so winxp servers up my 9000+mp3s to my linux box
[02:49] <scoon> but i am a revovering emerge-holic
[02:49] <scoon> its all right
[02:49] <kergan> lol
[02:50] <scoon> i have 20+ gigs of music that
[02:50] <scoon> serves my web player
[02:50] <Crane> speel, a base install of debian has no x server
[02:50] <speel> man id use winxp but im so sick of updates and patches and all that nonsence i wish i had my games tho :(
[02:50] <scoon> a mac
[02:50] <scoon> and a shitty xp box.
[02:50] <speel> bah
[02:50] <speel> ok thanks Crane
[02:50] <speel> 7 cds is to much tho lol
[02:50] <Adrenal> what is rivafb?
[02:50] <scoon> anyway
[02:50] <scoon> don't want to flame
[02:50] <Adrenal> and y does it hate my nvidia driver so darn much?
[02:50] <scoon> just thought i'd play a bit of master of the obvious.
[02:51] <kergan> Adrenal, its for the riva vidoe card
[02:51] <Crane> after base install you can use apt-get to install new software
[02:51] <kergan> fb stands for fram buffer
[02:51] <scoon> isn't fram a car part manu ?
[02:51] <Adrenal> kergan, how do i disable it, and if i do disable it, will the nvidia driver replace what it did?
[02:51] <scoon> oil filters and what not.
[02:51] <kergan> Adrenal,  dont know
[02:52] <Adrenal> anyone?
[02:52] <kergan> i dont have a nivida video card
[02:52] <Adrenal> kk
[02:52] <kergan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.992 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 339/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.82G Free: 18.53G Procs: 75 Uptime: 19 mins 0 sec Load: 1.41 1.40 1.08  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 18.54M Out: 1.18M
[02:52] <Crane> is gnome the only desktop availible in ubuntu
[02:52] <kergan> no
[02:52] <Crane> cool
[02:52] <Adrenal> u can get almost any
[02:52] <Adrenal> but gnome is the best
[02:52] <speel> lol 1600X1200?
[02:52] <kergan> you can install kde, enlightment, flux
[02:52] <kergan> gnome is the best
[02:52] <Adrenal> but...y would u want to?
[02:53] <Crane> lolo
[02:53] <speel> flux is the fastest :P
[02:53] <Crane> lol
[02:53] <kergan> yep speel
[02:53] <Crane> just asking
[02:53] <Crane> I'm using gnome now
[02:53] <Adrenal> goods
[02:53] <Adrenal> *good
[02:53] <kergan> good
[02:53] <speel> kergan lol are you using like a 40 inch tv how do you see that high res
[02:53] <yann_> hello :)
[02:53] <speel> hi
[02:53] <Crane> hi
[02:53] <kergan> easy i have a 19"montor
[02:54] <Adrenal> ...swish
[02:54] <kergan> lol
[02:54] <yann_> is there a webmaster of ubuntulinux.org here, or any way to contact one of them?
[02:54] <Adrenal> email
[02:54] <kergan> and i make the fonts just a tad biger
[02:54] <yann_> doesn't get any answer :/
[02:54] <speel> ubuntu team never talks in here lol
[02:54] <yann_> tried already 3 times
[02:54] <Monk-InstallingL> nice
[02:54] <Adrenal> hmm
[02:54] <crimsun> yann_: feel free to say in #ubuntu-devel
[02:54] <Monk-InstallingL> people alive
[02:54] <rolfzor> yann_: try #ununtu-devel
[02:54] <yann_> i'll try :)
[02:55] <crimsun> speel: many developers speak here
[02:55] <Monk-InstallingL> i was praying people would be alive here
[02:55] <Adrenal> i'm...dead?
[02:55] <Adrenal> NOOOOOOOOOOOO
[02:55] <LostMonk> hehe
[02:55] <speel> i ask somtimes if there are ubuntu devs here but never any answer ;(
[02:55] <pepsi> whorey
[02:56] <Adrenal> how do i disbale rivafb?
[02:56] <LostMonk> i dont need devs, i just need people who have some knowledge using it
[02:56] <crimsun> Adrenal: don't load it. :)
[02:56] <kergan> just uninstall it
[02:56] <Adrenal> and how would i go about doing that?
[02:57] <kergan> using snyaptic
[02:57] <Adrenal> ok
[02:57] <kergan> and search for the package
[02:57] <kergan> and remove it
[02:57] <Adrenal> well, if u don;t use nvidia
[02:57] <Adrenal> does the ati driver replace it?
[02:57] <kergan> the riva driver is for an older vid card
[02:58] <kergan> the riva tnt cards
[02:58] <Adrenal> hmm
[02:58] <Adrenal> its not in synaptic
[02:58] <yann_> well i must say it's not that easy to contact ubuntu's team :/
[02:58] <kergan> hmm
[02:58] <Adrenal> ring them?
[02:58] <yann_> \o/
[02:58] <LostMonk> im about to install ubuntu so that i can play with it and learn it before i comepletely remove windows.....is there anything else i should download besides the iso before i install it?
[02:58] <Adrenal> 1800-ubuntu
[02:59] <kergan> lol
[02:59] <Adrenal> well, really its only 1800-ubunt
[02:59] <Adrenal> but we hope ppl will dial the u anyway
[02:59] <kergan> LostMonk,  nope
[02:59] <speel> lol
[03:00] <kergan> it should be 1-800-ubu-ntu2
[03:00] <LostMonk> someone said that it will auto help me partition as i install?
[03:00] <Adrenal> yes
[03:00] <Adrenal> yes it should
[03:00] <kergan> yes
[03:00] <Adrenal> wait
[03:00] <LostMonk> is 2gb big enough?
[03:00] <Gwildor> no.....dont do that
[03:00] <Adrenal> is rivafb the default 'nv' driver?
[03:00] <kergan> no
[03:00] <LostMonk> O-o
[03:01] <Gwildor> dont do tha atuo
[03:01] <Gwildor> auto
[03:01] <Gwildor> it will take over you whole HDD
[03:01] <Adrenal> auto?
[03:01] <Adrenal> AUTO?
[03:01] <kergan> never do the auto and 2 gigs ant big enuff
[03:01] <Adrenal> NO, NOT AGAIN
[03:01] <Adrenal> NOT THERE
[03:01] <Adrenal> NOOOOOOOO
[03:01] <LostMonk> i only have like 3 free total
[03:02] <kergan> LostMonk,  got a old hdd laying around
[03:02] <LostMonk> nope
[03:02] <kergan> hmm
[03:02] <LostMonk> Blackwell: i have 1 that is less than a gig
[03:02] <kergan> i recomend at least 5 gigs
[03:02] <LostMonk> O_o
[03:02] <LostMonk> i just want to use it some to get used to it, so i can get rid of windows
[03:02] <kergan> so you can have space to put all the soft youd use
[03:02] <LostMonk> my whole HD is only 10 GB
[03:02] <Adrenal> trust me
[03:02] <kergan> ouch
[03:02] <Adrenal> delete some stuuf
[03:03] <Adrenal> to get used to
[03:03] <LostMonk> i just did
[03:03] <Adrenal> it
[03:03] <kergan> ya really
[03:03] <scoon> LostMonk, monk, you will be a "found monk"when you dump winhell
[03:03] <Adrenal> u need more space
[03:03] <scoon> LostMonk, get the live cd
[03:03] <LostMonk> i need more money
[03:03] <LostMonk> :)
[03:03] <scoon> LostMonk, and use that for a spell. it will be a bit slow
[03:03] <kergan> LostMonk,  just dump win all together
[03:03] <scoon> LostMonk, but you will get a "feel" as to what is up.
[03:04] <LostMonk> Blackwell: i dont wanna completely dump my windows, and have no clue how to use this or nothign
[03:04] <Adrenal> its piss to use dude
[03:04] <Gwildor> LostMonk, i dropped my windose install without ANY linux expierience.......ubuntu makes it pretty easy
[03:04] <Adrenal> except for installing drivers
[03:04] <kergan> LostMonk,  linux is a much more mature os as comparied to win
[03:04] <bob2> DagaZ: thanks :)
[03:04] <Adrenal> AAARGGHHH
[03:04] <kergan> windows likes to hold your hand
[03:04] <Adrenal> yeh
[03:04] <Adrenal> the only way to learn linux is to get rid of window
[03:04] <Adrenal> shred the cd
[03:04] <Adrenal> delete the partition
[03:04] <LostMonk> what about some word docs that i have, is there gonna be anyway to transfer them over to linux?
[03:04] <bob2> you don't normally need to install drivers under linux
[03:05] <Adrenal> if u have the oppurtuntiy to go back
[03:05] <Adrenal> u will
[03:05] <Adrenal> and you won't learn
[03:05] <kergan> LostMonk, openoffice will read any doc you throw at it
[03:05] <bob2> Adrenal: lots of people choose linux over windows on it's merits, rather than because they have to
[03:05] <bob2> LostMonk: openoffice can read msot any word document
[03:05] <Gwildor> LostMonk, open office, itll open your text doc's
[03:05] <kergan> and mso documents
[03:05] <LostMonk> ok
[03:06] <scoon> LostMonk, listen, download the live ubuntu disc
[03:06] <kergan> trust use
[03:06] <kergan> us
[03:06] <LostMonk> now, will ubuntu configure my cable hook up automatically?
[03:06] <kergan> ubuntu makes it really easy
[03:06] <Gwildor> LostMonk, if you want to be 100% sure you will still be able to read your doc's, you can install open office in windows, and try to open them all
[03:06] <scoon> and see if open office works they way you like it.
[03:06] <Gwildor> LostMonk, it did for me
[03:06] <bob2> LostMonk: depends how it's setup
[03:06] <bob2> LostMonk: if your cable modem hands out dhcp, yes
[03:06] <LostMonk> i dunno what it does
[03:06] <LostMonk> :P
[03:07] <mike998> It's probably DHCP then
[03:07] <kergan> do you have to login like a 56k dial up
[03:07] <kergan> ??
[03:07] <LostMonk> nope
[03:07] <kergan> then its dhcp
[03:07] <LostMonk> i just open the browser
[03:07] <kergan> and its n/p then
[03:07] <Blackwell> LostMonk: hm, check the nick completion, you seem to use my nick accidentally.
[03:07] <LostMonk> what about irc?
[03:07] <kergan> xchat
[03:07] <LostMonk> i did Blackwell, sorry
[03:07] <kergan> is for irc
[03:08] <LostMonk> should i get that and a few other things before i convert?
[03:08] <kergan> you can get thoes after install
[03:08] <bob2> xchat is installed by default on ubuntu
[03:08] <kergan> using snyapttic
[03:08] <kergan> bob2, is right
[03:08] <mike998> most of the stuff you want is installed by default
[03:08] <mike998> if someone can give you the ubuntu getting started guide, you are set
[03:09] <LostMonk> i gotta make sure to save some of my docs and stuff
[03:09] <kergan> ya its in the topic
[03:09] <mike998> LostMonk: http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:09] <kergan> mike998,  its in the topic
[03:09] <kergan> lol
[03:10] <mike998> kergan: I can't see it!  I'm using bitchx
[03:10] <kergan> oh
[03:10] <mike998> heh
[03:10] <kergan> i use xchat
[03:10] <kergan> lol
[03:10] <kergan> bitchx is to dry for me
[03:10] <kergan> tho i have it installed
[03:10] <mike998> I used to use xchat, but I like the minimalistic interface for bitchx
[03:11] <mike998> heh to each his (or her) own!
[03:11] <miggumike> how can i automount a partition when i boot my computer?
[03:11] <kergan> ya
[03:11] <LostMonk> if i just put some folders on a disc, will i be able to look at them when i switch to linux?
[03:11] <kergan> http://ubuntuguide.org/ <--look thare
[03:11] <bob2> irssi-text is the one true irc client.
[03:11] <bob2> LostMonk: 'folders'? directories?
[03:11] <kergan> LostMonk,  yes
[03:11] <mike998> LostMonk: what operating system are you running right now?
[03:11] <LostMonk> like my documents folder
[03:11] <LostMonk> xp
[03:11] <kergan> yesa
[03:11] <kergan> yes
[03:12] <mike998> do you have access to a partitioning tool ?
[03:12] <bob2> yes, but you won't be able to write to it
[03:12] <Quest-Master> How can I search for these? gxineplugin.a gxineplugin.la gxineplugin.so
[03:12] <miggumike> hey
[03:12] <mike998> partition magic springs to mind
[03:12] <miggumike> can i automount a partition when i boot up?
[03:12] <bob2> miggumike: of course
[03:12] <mike998> miggumike: you will have to adjust your fstab
[03:12] <bob2> miggumike: and there's no need to repeat over and over
[03:13] <kergan> miggumike, http://ubuntuguide.org/ <--lok thare
[03:13] <miggumike> yeah sorry about that i joined linuxhelp but i stayed in here
[03:13] <miggumike> :/
[03:13] <kergan> Quest-Master,  whare do you want to look??
[03:13] <mike998> miggumike: check your /etc/fstab file for an example of how it works
[03:13] <mike998> well, it's the way it works... be careful with it
[03:14] <mike998> Quest-Master "find / -name gxineplugin.* -print"
[03:14] <kergan> mike998,  thats in the file system wot if he wants to look for it in the package manger
[03:15] <mike998> kergan: oh.  I didn't see him mention where he wanted to look for it
[03:15] <kergan> lol
[03:16] <kergan> ya hence i ask whre do he want to look??
[03:16] <mike998> meh, I'm trying to help... time for me to give something back and tonight is the night
[03:16] <kergan> me too
[03:16] <kergan> lol
[03:16] <mike998> ahhh i see
[03:16] <kergan> my irc network is dead no one is talking so i thought i come here and hang out awile
[03:17] <kergan> and help nubs
[03:17] <kergan> lol
[03:17] <mike998> lol - where do you usually hang out?
[03:17] <kergan> the biteme network
[03:17] <kergan> its a private network
[03:17] <kergan> not on the big irc lists
[03:17] <mike998> ah i see
[03:18] <LostMonk> hehe
[03:18] <LostMonk> i only use irc for a game mostly
[03:18] <mike998> i got another window open on the #fark channel
[03:18] <kergan> i helped set it up 5-6 years ago
[03:18] <mike998> not really reading it
[03:18] <kergan> lol
[03:18] <kergan> i sit on 13 chanels on my network
[03:18] <kergan> trade mp3s and such
[03:19] <mike998> Holy...  I have two windows open right now and have difficulty keeping track when both are talking
[03:19] <Crane> sorry got side tracked earlier
[03:19] <Crane> :)
[03:19] <mike998> oh I see.  Well, I usually use BitTorrent
[03:19] <kergan> me too
[03:19] <mike998> pity that suprnova et al went down
[03:19] <kergan> but irc i can get just one song if i want and not the whole album
[03:19] <Crane> wow there are a lot of users in this channel
[03:19] <mike998> yeah, very true.
[03:19] <kergan> suprnove works just fine for me
[03:20] <LostMonk> 2 windows?
[03:20] <LostMonk> thats it?
[03:20] <mike998> really ?  the IRC channel?
[03:20] <kergan> i got 16 total open
[03:20] <Crane> yep
[03:20] <LostMonk> i got 18 on 3 servers
[03:20] <kergan> not the irc chanel i thank
[03:20] <cef> Crane: don't go into #debian, it's got 706 at the moment
[03:20] <kergan> the webpage works
[03:20] <LostMonk> can u have multiple servers with xchat?
[03:20] <mike998> LostMonk: Yah.  I can't multitask.  If I try to chew gum and walk at the same time I usually end up falling over
[03:20] <kergan> and that got a notice saying thay got the irc chanel up and running agine
[03:21] <cef> LostMonk: yes
[03:21] <LostMonk> good
[03:21] <LostMonk> :)
[03:21] <mike998> LostMonk: Yeah, check out the first option (file?)
[03:21] <LostMonk> i play a huge online game that i need alot of irc open for
[03:21] <Crane> I'm in ubuntu and a clan channel
[03:21] <kergan> ya LostMonk  you can
[03:21] <Gwildor> LostMonk, xchat is available for windows, if you want to try that first, as well
[03:21] <Crane> ubuntu shows 293 users
[03:21] <LostMonk> nah, ill figure it out once i install
[03:21] <Gwildor> kk :)
[03:21] <cef> LostMonk: New -> Server Tab
[03:21] <kergan> yep
[03:21] <LostMonk> thats how i learned mIRC
[03:21] <kergan> just like that
[03:22] <mike998> LostMonk: The advice to try some of these apps in windows first is a really good idea.
[03:22] <kergan> LostMonk,  ya thats the way just play with it till its broke then you know how it works
[03:22] <LostMonk> now, if i have issues getting online once i switch, what should i do?
[03:22] <kergan> lol
[03:22] <mike998> I use XP at work (I have to) but I use Gimp and gaim and opeonoffice
[03:22] <kergan> LostMonk,  you shouldent have any probs
[03:22] <LostMonk> i have trillian pro for windows
[03:22] <mike998> I haven't had a problem
[03:22] <mike998> you paid for it?
[03:22] <LostMonk> thats the only thing i am really worried about
[03:23] <mike998> good man
[03:23] <LostMonk> nope :)
[03:23] <LostMonk> pay?
[03:23] <mike998> ah
[03:23] <cef> LostMonk: always a good idea to figure out what you use to connect to things first.. eg: dsl/cable/dial-up
[03:23] <Crane> is this your first time with linux Monk
[03:23] <Crane> ?
[03:23] <LostMonk> everytime i have reloaded windows, its autodone everything with the cable
[03:23] <LostMonk> yes crane
[03:23] <miggumike> i don't see where it explains how to automount a partition when i bootup
[03:24] <Crane> I've tried many distros and had very little prob connecting
[03:24] <cef> LostMonk: you're on cable? dhcp and the like? no special program to log you in or anything?
[03:24] <mike998> miggumike take a look at your /etc/fstab file
[03:24] <LostMonk> icable
[03:24] <kergan> cef we allredy did that
[03:24] <LostMonk> nope, nothing special
[03:24] <LostMonk> hehe
[03:24] <mike998>  /dev/hda2       /share         vfat    umask=000       0       0
[03:24] <LostMonk> i dont mind
[03:24] <LostMonk> this is great
[03:24] <Crane> should have no problems then
[03:24] <cef> LostMonk: then it should work fine.. no problems
[03:24] <LostMonk> most support channels i come across are empty
[03:24] <LostMonk> :P
[03:25] <miggumike> ok i'm in it
[03:25] <mike998> is a line I have added to automount my second partition
[03:25] <cef> LostMonk: only thing you might have issues with itself is the network card. do you know what network card you have?
[03:25] <miggumike> can i just add /dev/hda3 /mnt hfsplus umask=000 0 0
[03:25] <miggumike> ?
[03:25] <mike998> basically it's what you want to mount, where you want to mount it, the file system type, options
[03:25] <mike998> yep
[03:26] <Crane> Monk are you going to try ubuntu?
[03:26] <miggumike> do the spaces between everything matter?
[03:26] <kergan> /192.168.1.3/Donkey	/home/zenrox/mp32	smbfs	credentials=/root/.smbcredentials	0	0 <---thats wot i added for a remote dir
[03:26] <bob2> miggumike: yes
[03:26] <kergan> err with // in frount
[03:26] <cef> miggumike: as long as there is at least ONE space between each option
[03:26] <ska1> hi, any idea which sources to add to apt, to upgrade to firefox 1 and thunderbird 1
[03:26] <cef> miggumike: one space, 3 spaces, 20 spaces, all the same to it
[03:27] <kergan> it just needs at least one
[03:27] <imka> i need a good public jabber server. i've had a bad experience with some. any recommendations?
[03:27] <kergan> imka, i dont use jabber
[03:27] <kergan> whats it like
[03:27] <Crane> ska1 have you had a problem downloading and installing?
[03:27] <miggumike> under <options> should i ass umask=000
[03:28] <miggumike> add*
[03:28] <miggumike> ?
[03:28] <imka> kergan, imho the best im protocol
[03:28] <mike998> miggumike to make it accessable by everyone - yes
[03:28] <miggumike> alright
[03:28] <kergan> imka i use aol,msn(2ce),icq,yahoo
[03:28] <miggumike> /dev/hda3       /mnt            hfsplus umask=000       0       0
[03:29] <miggumike> that's what i'm adding
[03:29] <miggumike> any objections?
[03:34] <kergan> nope
[03:34] <mike998> looks good
[03:34] <mike998> umm
[03:34] <miggumike> ...
[03:34] <kergan> after thats done do a sudo mount -a so you dont have to reboot
[03:34] <Crane> do you have anything else in /mnt file?
[03:34] <mike998> actually if I were you I would actually create a mount point (the /share directory in my case)
[03:34] <cef> miggumike: umask is the reverse of permissions so a umask of 000 = chmod 777, umask of 022 = chmod 755, etc.
[03:34] <kergan> or /mnt/share
[03:34] <Crane> Yep
[03:34] <mike998> yep
[03:34] <Crane> I have mine set as /mnt/winders
[03:34] <Crane> :)
[03:34] <kergan> i put mine in my user dir so i can have easer acess to it
[03:34] <Crane> although I don't know why
[03:34] <mike998> This install was a case of "let's blow away windows"
[03:34] <kergan> like /home/zenrox/mp3s
[03:34] <miggumike> i can make the directory anything?
[03:34] <miggumike> /mnt/max0r
[03:34] <miggumike> ?
[03:34] <kergan> yep
[03:34] <miggumike> cool
[03:34] <mike998> miggumike: the world is your calciferous bivalve
[03:34] <miggumike> and i didn't follow what cef was saying.
[03:34] <miggumike> i not familiar w/ umask and chmod
[03:34] <kergan> ya you can do /mnt/life.sucks.dick if you wanted to
[03:34] <kergan> lol
[03:34] <miggumike> /mnt/i.hate.finals
[03:34] <mike998> miggumike: you know how file permissions work ?
[03:34] <Crane> LMAO
[03:34] <kergan> lol
[03:34] <socomm> miggumike: man umask, man chmod
[03:34] <Crane> /mnt/LMAO
[03:34] <miggumike> ok
[03:34] <kergan> hahahah
[03:34] <miggumike> i check it out
[03:34] <kergan> /mnt/dick
[03:34] <kergan> better yet /mnt/puss
[03:34] <kergan> lol
[03:34] <mike998> heh
[03:34] <Crane> I mounted my windows install and I really don't know why.
[03:34] <Crane> there is nothing there I want
[03:34] <mike998> It feels like my windows install mounts me every day in work
[03:34] <miggumike> no man for umask.
[03:34] <Crane> hell I haven't booted to windows in....
[03:34] <Crane> ummmmm
[03:34] <kergan> mike998,  i can understand that
[03:34] <Marble2> damn, does logitech make any linux drivers?
[03:34] <mike998> I have to use it... but I don't want to
[03:34] <kergan> Crane,  if you cant rember time to blow out win compleatly
[03:34] <Crane> I need to
[03:34] <Crane> Just to lazy to do it
[03:34] <mike998> you will need the time for the new upcoming 3d porn
[03:34] <kergan> Marble2,  you dont need drivers for logitec in linux
[03:34] <nigg> I was made aware of Ubuntu by a friend who ordered a CD from the site. He assured me that Ubuntu was speedy and light on resources. Can anyone confirm this?
[03:34] <cef> miggumike: chmod is a way of changing permissions. you have 3 groups of access 'User', 'Group' and 'Others'. Each one of these groups can have 'Read', 'Write', and 'Execute' permission.
[03:34] <Marble2> kergan:  why not
[03:35] <Marble2> my mouse3 doesn't work for scrolling up and down in firefox
[03:35] <Marble2> like if I press it in
[03:35] <Marble2> and other things too
[03:35] <Crane> you press it to scroll?
[03:35] <mike998> Marble2 mouse3 works differently in *nix
[03:35] <kergan> you need to slect a difert protical for your mouse
[03:35] <Marble2> like if you push in on it
[03:35] <Crane> yep it set up in your X config file
[03:35] <Marble2> where's that?
[03:35] <cef> miggumike: man chmod might help
[03:36] <Crane> x config is in /etc/X11 file
[03:36] <miggumike> ahh
[03:36] <kergan> thats for the old xserv
[03:36] <cef> miggumike: about the 6th paragraph down in the man page
[03:36] <kergan> the newer one is xorg.conf
[03:36] <cef> bbk
[03:37] <Crane> ubuntu uses xorg?
[03:37] <kergan> the devel ver of ubuntu
[03:37] <kergan> hoary
[03:37] <kergan> witch is wot i am using atm
[03:38] <Crane> cool
[03:38] <Crane> I can't wait to get home and try out ubuntu
[03:38] <mike998> Marble2: In windows I miss the middle click to paste.
[03:38] <|QuaD|> Crane: ubuntu is awesome
[03:38] <kergan> i love it but when i use the xcompmgr it slows down to a crawl
[03:38] <Crane> mike me tpp
[03:38] <Crane> too
[03:38] <LostMonk> be back in a bit
[03:39] <Crane> what is xcompmgr
[03:39] <kergan> so the xcompmgr is just used for screen shots
[03:39] <LostMonk> does ubuntu format the drive before an install?
[03:39] <|QuaD|> LostMonk: it can
[03:39] <kergan> it alows the shadows and fading of menus
[03:39] <mike998> LostMonk: only what you tell it to
[03:39] <Crane> oh
[03:40] <ska1> Crane: i've installed older versions, i want the latest release
[03:40] <kergan> ya and turns on the transparicy
[03:40] <Crane> I usually turn off bells and whistles
[03:40] <ska1> Crane: i've got firefox .93 but latest is v1
[03:40] <kergan> so the xcompmgr is just used for screen shots
[03:40] <kergan> then
[03:40] <Crane> cool
[03:40] <kergan> yep
[03:40] <ska1> how do i disable a startup service say postfix?
[03:41] <Crane> anyone using nvidia card and drivers?
[03:41] <bob2> no, that's not what xcompmgr is for
[03:41] <bob2> ska1: update-rc.d is the tool you want
[03:41] <|QuaD|> Crane: yeah
[03:41] <ska1> Crane: i'm using nvidia drivers on a gf4mx igp
[03:41] <bob2> ska1: or 'rm /etc/rc2.d/*postfix*'
[03:41] <ska1> bob2: thanx
[03:41] <Crane> install with no problems?
[03:41] <ska1> Crane:yup, went well
[03:41] <Crane> cool
[03:41] <LostMonk> O_o
[03:42] <ska1> Crane: installed the nvidia-glx deb package
[03:42] <Crane> next question, does anyone play quake3 or ut2k?
[03:42] <kergan> bob2,  then what is xcompmgr is for then
[03:43] <LostMonk> was there a huge netsplit or something
[03:43] <kergan> i have to run that if i want shadows
[03:43] <mike998> Crane: I can'
[03:43] <nigg> I was made aware of Ubuntu by a friend who ordered a CD from the site. He assured me that Ubuntu was speedy and light on resources. Can anyone confirm this?
[03:43] <mike998> t figure out how to get the sound okay in quake 2
[03:43] <mitochondyu> help
[03:43] <mitochondyu> newb
[03:43] <ska1> bob2: well "sudo update-rc.d -f postfix remove" did the trick
[03:43] <kergan> nigg yes its speedy and light on resurses
[03:43] <nigg> thanks for the response :)
[03:43] <mitochondyu> the unbuntu cd and reinstall GRUB loader right?
[03:43] <bob2> ska1: right
[03:43] <mitochondyu> cause i wanna  install windos xp
[03:44] <ska1> nigg: i'm not sure about the light part, though  its speedy and very integrated with good gnome default desktop
[03:44] <kergan> mitochondyu,  why install win xp
[03:44] <mike998> mitochondyu: usually the accepted way is to install windows then linux if you want to dual boot
[03:44] <kergan> ya
[03:44] <ska1> anybody running firefox v1 can point me to the apt repository to get it?
[03:44] <nigg> ska1 integrated... would there be any issues using Fluxbox or another lighter window manager?
[03:45] <mike998> good old microsoft's attitude of wanting to be the only o/s on the hdd
[03:45] <kergan> nope
[03:45] <kergan> nigg
[03:45] <kergan> ska1 its in hoary
[03:45] <nigg> perfect :)
[03:45] <Crane> ska1: I just downloaded the installer.
[03:45] <kergan> Cranes got the right idea
[03:45] <ska1> kergan: ok thanks :)
[03:45] <mitochondyu> cause i need to use my scanner
[03:45] <mitochondyu> that sucks
[03:46] <mitochondyu> sane wont detect my scanner
[03:46] <mitochondyu> i install xp just to use that
[03:46] <Marble2> where are system logs stored?
[03:46] <kergan> mitochondyu,  you need to install sane for scanners to work in linux
[03:46] <mitochondyu> yeah i know
[03:46] <mitochondyu> is not supported yet..
[03:46] <kergan> wots the scanner
[03:46] <Crane> /var/logs I think
[03:46] <mitochondyu> EPSON PERFECTTION 2480 PHOTO
[03:47] <Marble2> thanks crane
[03:47] <mitochondyu> else i wont even get near windoes
[03:47] <kergan> mitochondyu,  did you check out there site for a dev ver that has support or when thay are going to support your scanner
[03:47] <Marble2> Crane: is there  a place where like every command i issue is logged?
[03:47] <mitochondyu> yeah, one of them support it, and i am not linux guru, is like recompiling the kernal and stuff, too much for me now.
[03:48] <mitochondyu> am just a newb
[03:48] <kergan> Marble2,  ya use your arrow up key
[03:48] <Marble2> seriously, is there?
[03:48] <kergan> ya
[03:48] <kergan> Marble2,
[03:48] <Crane> Marble: are you talking about in the console?
[03:48] <Marble2> well yea
[03:48] <Marble2> or through GUI
[03:48] <Crane> if so just hit your arrow key up or down
[03:48] <Marble2> but I mean like
[03:48] <Marble2> forever
[03:49] <Marble2> after reboots and stuff
[03:49] <Marble2> and it goes away if I su to a different usewr
[03:49] <Marble2> -w
[03:49] <kergan> mitochondyu,  hmm ya to bad
[03:49] <prak> can someone tell me how i can disable mouse gestures in firefox1.0 packaged with hoary?
[03:49] <mitochondyu> so my question is,
[03:49] <mitochondyu> can u use unbuntu cd to reinstall GRUB after install windows XP over ubuntu?
[03:50] <kergan> that i dont know
[03:50] <kergan> make a back up copy of your master boot recoard
[03:50] <Crane> Marble2 I'm not sure as far as SUing to a diff user but I just scrolled through mine and found commands from 4 days ago
[03:50] <mitochondyu> how to do that?
[03:50] <kergan> i have never done that
[03:50] <kergan> lol
[03:50] <Marble2> but is it stored on the system somewhere?
[03:51] <kergan> but it can be done
[03:51] <Crane> not sure  I'll see what I can find out
[03:51] <prak> mitochondyu.. i have done this with sid...
[03:52] <prak> kergan says, you should back up your MBR and try it
[03:52] <prak> if you want to be very safe
[03:55] <mitochondyu> thanks guys i appreciate ur helps..am gonna try this sane cvs...it support my scanner..
[03:55] <mitochondyu> screw windows..i am sick of it
[03:55] <kergan> lol
[03:56] <mitochondyu> spyware of death
[03:56] <mitochondyu> and crash for no reason
[03:56] <mitochondyu> a clean install wont last few dayz
[03:56] <mitochondyu> anyone try longhorn tho?>??
[03:57] <socomm> What is longhorn?
[03:57] <_jon_> longhorn is the next release of windows
[03:57] <_jon_> but it's still beta
[03:57] <Marble2> what's longhorn
[03:57] <mike998> wont be out till 2006-2007ish
[03:58] <kergan> late 2007 is my guess
[03:58] <Crane> Marble2: you still here
[03:58] <Crane> ?
[03:58] <Marble2> yea
[03:58] <Blackwell> what's there to try about longhorn? i don't understand the hype.
[03:58] <Crane> all commands are stored in a file in you home directory
[03:58] <Blackwell> it's just another windows, get over it. "there are no silver bullets."
[03:58] <socomm> Windows?
[03:59] <Marble2> wha file?
[03:59] <mike998> it's gonna be the same old same old
[03:59] <Crane> /home/your_directory/.bash_history
[03:59] <socomm> http://www.lemis.com/~grog/windows.html
[03:59] <mike998> billy gives the consumers crap and they close their eyes and swallow it
[03:59] <Crane> I think by default it stores only the last 500 commands
[03:59] <_jon_> does anybody have a radeon 9200 who's running warty?
[04:00] <Marble2> thanks crane
[04:00] <Marble2> how do I change it
[04:00] <Marble2> from 500?
[04:00] <socomm> So longhorn is the next release of X Windows?
[04:00] <Crane> no prob
[04:00] <_jon_> socomm: no M$ windows
[04:00] <rolfzor> socomm: no, microsoft windows
[04:00] <_jon_> beat you rolfzor
[04:00] <Blackwell> mike998: i love my xp. but i will probably never understand the version junkies, whatever os they may prefer.
[04:00] <rolfzor> _jon_ :)
[04:01] <mike998> Blackwell: I do actually understand it, and sometimes I am guilty of it
[04:01] <rolfzor> Blackwell: last time I installed xp I got spyware before the installation was finished :)
[04:01] <Crane> umm hang on I checking
[04:01] <Marble2> ok
[04:01] <mike998> rolfzor: I have heard that many times... were you firewalled?
[04:01] <Marble2> what if it's root?
[04:02] <Marble2> there is no home directory for that
[04:02] <Blackwell> rolfzor: yeah, you have to know what you are doing. besides, some people consider xp contacting time.microsoft.com a proof for spyware in xp.
[04:02] <Blackwell> <tongue in cheek>
[04:02] <_jon_> Marble2: the home directory for root is /root/
[04:03] <Marble2> thanks
[04:03] <Crane> Marble2: not real sure, type env in your console for a list of veriables
[04:03] <Crane> you should see one called HISTFILE=
[04:03] <Crane> That is how many commands can be stored
[04:03] <Crane> Mine is set at 10000
[04:03] <cef> prak: re: disabling mouse gestures. I don't have it at all, but you might try opening firefox, and in the url bar type 'about:config' and looking thru the options.. double clicking on a line will alter the option
[04:04] <Marble2> mine isnt there
[04:04] <zenwhen> is anyone using amarok in ubuntu
[04:05] <socomm> Whatis amarok?
[04:05] <mitochondyu> canon.c: In function `sense_handler':
[04:05] <zenwhen> music app
[04:05] <mitochondyu> canon.c:327: warning: `status' might be used uninitialized in this function
[04:05] <mitochondyu> In file included from canon.c:1893:
[04:05] <mitochondyu> canon-sane.c: In function `sane_canon_init':
[04:05] <mitochondyu> canon-sane.c:2: warning: unused parameter `authorize'
[04:05] <mitochondyu> canon-sane.c: In function `sane_canon_get_devices':
[04:05] <mitochondyu> canon-sane.c:109: warning: unused parameter `local_only'
[04:05] <mitochondyu> canon-sane.c: In function `read_fs2710':
[04:05] <mitochondyu> canon-sane.c:1864: warning: operation on `p' may be undefined
[04:05] <mitochondyu> canon-sane.c: In function `read_fb1200':
[04:05] <mitochondyu> canon-sane.c:2216: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
[04:05] <mitochondyu> Please submit a full bug report,
[04:05] <mitochondyu> with preprocessed source if appropriate.
[04:05] <mitochondyu> See <URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions.
[04:05] <mitochondyu> For Debian GNU/Linux specific bug reporting instructions, see
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[04:05] <mitochondyu> make[1] : *** [canon.lo]  Error 1
[04:05] <mitochondyu> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/mitochondyu/Downloads/sane-backends-1.0.15/backend'
[04:05] <mitochondyu> make: *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[04:05] <mitochondyu> what tah heck is this?
[04:05] <mitochondyu> it wont compile T.T
[04:06] <cef> mitochondyu: first off, don't paste so much in channel
[04:06] <mitochondyu> help?
[04:06] <Crane> Marble2 you dan't get anything when you type env
[04:06] <mitochondyu> oh sorry..
[04:06] <Crane> ?
[04:06] <mitochondyu> didnt know
[04:06] <cef> mitochondyu: s'ok.. now you do *grin*
[04:06] <Crane> don't
[04:06] <Marble2> no
[04:06] <Marble2> i dont get HISFILE=
[04:06] <Marble2> HISTFILE
[04:06] <mitochondyu> any idea what happen?
[04:06] <Marble2> rather
[04:07] <mitochondyu> seems like nothing compile ever finish
[04:07] <Crane> hmmmm
[04:07] <socomm> Oh yeah amorok. What about it?
[04:07] <miausX> hi! :)
[04:07] <mitochondyu> i alwats get segmentation fault
[04:08] <aeruder> mitochondyu: well, it could be a gcc bug
[04:08] <aeruder> but sometimes as well, it ends up being a problem with your RAM
[04:08] <kergan> mitochondyu,  thay might be in the middel of initizling the status function still
[04:08] <aeruder> so you might try a memtest86... but usually that's only the case when sometimes it succeeds, and others it fauls
[04:09] <Crane> Are you running ubuntu?
[04:09] <mitochondyu> T.T all i want is my epson driver, then am all done,
[04:09] <kergan> pr your missing something it needs to compile
[04:09] <kergan> pr=or
[04:09] <Marble2> crane, me?
[04:09] <Crane> yep sorry
[04:09] <Marble2> yea
[04:09] <mitochondyu> anyone familiar with sane? can i compile just the san epson backend?
[04:10] <mitochondyu> i think is the cannon backend causing the error
[04:10] <kergan> compile the cannon back end first
[04:10] <kergan> then compile all of it
[04:10] <mitochondyu> how?
[04:10] <mitochondyu> sorry am no programmer eithe r:((
[04:10] <socomm> Bleh, this channel sucks.
[04:11] <kergan> i have tried to do thangs like that butit never works
[04:11] <kergan> lol
[04:11] <mitochondyu> i hate compiling..i know its not gonna work..
[04:11] <mitochondyu> crap.....
[04:11] <mitochondyu> now need to install windows just to use my scanner
[04:11] <mitochondyu> wtf.......
[04:11] <kergan> are you reading the README that came with it
[04:11] <mitochondyu> yeah
[04:11] <mitochondyu> ./configure
[04:11] <mitochondyu> make
[04:11] <mitochondyu> make insall
[04:12] <mitochondyu> lol
[04:12] <mitochondyu> all i knwo..
[04:12] <Crane> Marble2: sorry I can't find anything right now.
[04:12] <kergan> read the INSTALL
[04:12] <kergan> file
[04:12] <mitochondyu> hmm..ok
[04:12] <kergan> it might have a list of stuff to have installed
[04:12] <Crane> That that I found earlier was for redhat
[04:12] <kergan> first
[04:13] <Crane> Marble2: enter env command again and look for some type of history setting maybe it's named something else.
[04:13] <Crane> Why the hell am I sitting here with wwe wrestling on the damn TV
[04:14] <Marble2> kk
[04:14] <mitochondyu> ah fork it..!~
[04:16] <kergan> mitochondyu,  just wate
[04:16] <kergan> ubuntu will eventualy have that
[04:17] <mike998> kergan: there's talk of kubuntu
[04:17] <kergan> ewww
[04:17] <kergan> kde
[04:17] <Crane> lol
[04:18] <mike998> lol
[04:18] <mike998> actually, I preferred XFCE
[04:18] <kergan> i love gnome
[04:18] <kergan> and enlightment
[04:18] <Crane> does ubuntu support all debian software?
[04:18] <kergan> no
[04:18] <kergan> but most will install
[04:18] <kergan> lol
[04:19] <Crane> so they have their own repositories
[04:19] <Crane> ?
[04:19] <kergan> yes but the universe is not supported by ubuntu so you install software from that respotory at your own risk
[04:20] <kergan> thay wont help you if it runions your ubuntu
[04:20] <Crane> oh
[04:21] <Crane> I can't wait to get home and try it.
[04:21] <Crane> <--------in hotel out of town working right now
[04:21] <kergan> oh
[04:21] <kergan> lol
[04:22] <pepsi> whorey
[04:22] <pepsi> grumpy whores with warts
[04:22] <kergan> whay
[04:22] <kergan> what
[04:23] <pepsi> ubuntu
[04:23] <Crane> ??
[04:23] <kergan> that still dont make sence
[04:23] <Hikaru79> I'm getting this strange error when trying to connect to a specific IRC server: http://www.pastebin.com/131803
[04:23] <Hikaru79> All other servesr (like this one) are fine
[04:23] <Hikaru79> But AfterNet gives that error
[04:24] <Hikaru79> Any ideas? =/ I've tried reading the manual, but the manual's all about mIRC and I'm on X-Chat >>
[04:24] <kergan> Hikaru79,  conver that manuel to xchat and see what happends
[04:24] <kergan> convert
[04:25] <Hikaru79> I can't -- the manual calls for changing the e-mail address. X-chat doesn't even ask for your e-mail address o_O;
[04:25] <Quest-Master> How is it possible to stream MP3s with XMMS, inside Firefox?
[04:25] <rolfzor> Hikaru79: press ctrl+s and change "User name:" to something in lowercase
[04:25] <kergan> Quest-Master,  using like shoutcast??
[04:26] <Quest-Master> Sort of
[04:26] <Quest-Master> But I'd like to be able to play MP3s inside Firefox
[04:26] <kergan> save the .pls file to your hdd
[04:26] <Hikaru79> There's no "user name" field, although there is a "Real Name" field, and I changed that to 'adrian' which is all lower-case
[04:26] <kergan> and open it in xmms
[04:26] <Quest-Master> Without downloading them, or opening a new XMMS instance
[04:26] <Quest-Master> Just directly in Firefox.
[04:26] <kergan> then get a plugin for firefox
[04:27] <kergan> but xmms must be open for that plugin to work
[04:27] <kergan> you can minize xmms
[04:28] <Crane> Hikaru79: have you connected to it with mirc with no problem?
[04:28] <rolfzor> Hikaru79: try editing ~/.xchat2/xchat.conf, and change "irc_user_name".. its on line 101 here
[04:28] <Crane> It could be a server problem
[04:28] <Hikaru79> Oh, never mind guys :) The guys in #xchat helped me out
[04:28] <Crane> cool
[04:28] <kergan> cool
[04:30] <Crane> Well I hope you guys don't mind me hanging out even though I'm not using ubuntu
[04:30] <Crane> :)
[04:30] <usual> Crane, did you bring beer
[04:30] <Hikaru79> Crane, Ubuntu is renowned for it's friendliness ;)
[04:30] <Quest-Master> Windoze? Or another Linux distro, Crane?
[04:31] <Hikaru79> But, yeah, beer has to be involved, of course.
[04:31] <kergan> winshit
[04:31] <Crane> Blag ..Fedora based
[04:31] <Crane> I'll bring beer tomorrow night
[04:31] <Crane> :)
[04:31] <kergan> lol
[04:31] <usual> beer is the international language
[04:31] <_jon_> poor fedora, gets more credit than deserved and less credit than wanted
[04:31] <Hikaru79> Actually... i'm under the legal drinking age :(
[04:31] <Hikaru79> Drat.
[04:31] <kergan> not me
[04:32] <Crane> lol
[04:32] <kergan> thng the gods
[04:32] <kergan> lol
[04:32] <Crane> Sorry I like fedora.. or blag rather
[04:32] <usual> Bring Hikaru79 some grape juice
[04:32] <Hikaru79> Haha
[04:32] <Hikaru79> :)
[04:32] <Crane> ok
[04:32] <usual> should be called bloatdora
[04:32] <rolfzor> drinking is so much funnier if you're under the legal age
[04:33] <usual> So where ya from Jason?
[04:33] <Hikaru79> rolfzor, true. Especially in Canada. The land of beer :D
[04:33] <Crane> Yea I agree about fedora
[04:33] <scoon> mmmmmmmmm beer
[04:33] <Crane> blag is a stipped down version
[04:33] <Crane> 1 cd install
[04:33] <scoon> but whiskey is a bit more fun
[04:33] <scoon> even more fun then fedora
[04:33] <Crane> Jager!!!
[04:34] <usual> ooooo pyhton updates
[04:34] <scoon> jaeger and gold schlager
[04:34] <usual> python
[04:34] <kergan> ok a good question here Whats your very first linux you all used?? mine was redhat 7.2
[04:34] <usual> Redhat 5.2
[04:34] <rolfzor> Hikaru79: is marijuana legal in canada?
[04:34] <mike998> suse
[04:34] <Crane> redhat 8
[04:34] <scoon> redhat 5.2
[04:34] <mike998> about 5 years ago
[04:34] <scoon> from the book
[04:34] <Crane> scoon: me too
[04:34] <Hikaru79> rolfzor, not legal, but it has been decriminalized
[04:34] <scoon> i used rh for years
[04:34] <scoon> then i used gentoo for about 18mos
[04:35] <scoon> but i have already ranted about that in therapy this eve
[04:35] <scoon> now i use ubuntu
[04:35] <Crane> I use clarkconnect as a file/game server at home
[04:35] <Crane> it's redhat based
[04:36] <usual> is there something broken with nautilus/file-roller in hoary?
[04:36] <usual> the context menus
[04:36] <usual> no unarchive option
[04:37] <usual> 1.4 F
[04:37] <usual> the temp here
[04:37] <usual> jesus
[04:37] <Crane> it's around 20 here I think
[04:38] <rolfzor> usual: yeah, it is for me at least.. only "open in file roller"
[04:38] <kergan> 37f here
[04:38] <usual> -17.6 F with wind
[04:38] <usual> rolfzor, k
[04:38] <mike998> -13F without the windchill here
[04:38] <paulproteus> usual: You're a few degrees below us here in Rochester.
[04:38] <usual> I'm in schenectady
[04:38] <usual> :D
[04:39] <calc> its too cold here 57F ;)
[04:39] <Crane> I'm in Tennessee right now
[04:39] <mike998> grrrrrrrrrrrrr
[04:39] <calc> supposed to get down to 22F on friday
[04:39] <Crane> live in Alabama
[04:39] <usual> I hate winter
[04:39] <calc> i'm in texas
[04:39] <Crane> I like cold weather
[04:39] <kergan> i am in washington state and we dont have snow witch we should have 4-5 feet by now
[04:40] <calc> whee!! its supposed to snow christmas eve
[04:40] <calc> it hasn't snowed here in probably over 10yrs
[04:40] <mike998> I'm in ottawa and it was -40F with the windchill today
[04:40] <Quest-Master> Aha.
[04:40] <usual> REST OF TONIGHT
[04:40] <usual> PARTLY CLOUDY. COLDER WITH LOWS AROUND 5 BELOW.
[04:40] <usual> LIGHT AND VARIABLE WINDS.
[04:40] <Quest-Master> kergan: http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger.html -- this is what I was talking about, wahoo.
[04:40] <Quest-Master> I wish it would snow here
[04:40] <Crane> holly crap I don't like it that cold
[04:40] <Quest-Master> It was supposed to, but it didn't.
[04:41] <mike998> and i do?
[04:41] <mike998> heh
[04:41] <kergan> Quest-Master,  that only works with mozilla 1.7 and not firefox
[04:41] <kergan> you got to get the firefox one off the respotores
[04:41] <mike998> it's wierd when it's warmer at night than during the day
[04:41] <Quest-Master> Oh yeah
[04:41] <Quest-Master> They have that one too :)
[04:42] <Quest-Master> http://mozplugger.mozdev.org
[04:42] <kergan> and it does thats like that but uses totom
[04:42] <kergan> for streaming the mp3s
[04:42] <kergan> youd have to edit the file for it to open xmms
[04:42] <Quest-Master> Hm
[04:42] <kergan> insted of totom
[04:42] <kergan> and i havent done that yet
[04:50] <scoon> anyone know what the url addy is for the preferences for firefox
[04:51] <scoon> about: something or other
[04:51] <mike998> about:config
[04:51] <scoon> just can't remember
[04:51] <scoon> thx mike998
[04:51] <mike998> np
[04:55] <PD> Hi ppl
[04:55] <cef> hi there
[04:55] <Crane> howdy
[04:55] <PD> When I log into KDE in ubuntu it says can not access /dev/dsp
[04:56] <PD> What should I do
[04:56] <aeruder> ignore it unless you want sound ;)
[04:56] <PD> :)
[04:56] <Riddell> PD: is your using in the audio group?  (run `groups` from a console)
[04:56] <PD> But I want sound
[04:57] <aeruder> PD: the first thing is to fire up a console... try cat /dev/dsp > /dev/null
[04:57] <PD> it only says pd when I run groups
[04:57] <aeruder> what error does it give you ?
[04:57] <aeruder> ah, permission denied then :)
[04:57] <PD> It says permission denied
[04:58] <crimsun> sudo adduser pd audio
[04:58] <aeruder> yea, you need to open /etc/group
[04:58] <aeruder> er, yea, i guess adduser can do it too :)
[04:58] <aeruder> i always forget about that, heh
[04:58] <crimsun> then you need to log out and back in
[04:58] <PD> ok let me try it
[04:58] <aeruder> PD: while you are at it
[04:59] <aeruder> do a adduser pd cdrom
[04:59] <aeruder> adduser pd floppy
[04:59] <aeruder> adduser pd video
[04:59] <aeruder> that should be good for most of the common things
[05:00] <PD> Okei I'll log out and come back innnn
[05:03] <paulproteus> aeruder: You should advise him to use the GUI tool available in Computer -> System configuration -> Users and Groups
[05:03] <aeruder> paulproteus: why?
[05:03] <paulproteus> That way, he'll become acquainted with the GUI tools if he prefers them.
[05:03] <aeruder> and if he doesn't?
[05:04] <paulproteus> Maybe "advise him to" is too strong; but point him to it as well, at least.
[05:04] <aeruder> paulproteus: if he had asked how to open a console, i'd have thought about teaching him the gnome-specific way
[05:04] <aeruder> not that i would even know the gnome-specific way :)
[05:04] <paulproteus> There are a lot of new Linux users I've been talking to who want more GUI tools to do things, even if there's a command-line available.
[05:04] <aeruder> paulproteus: but in general, the adduser method will work on all distros and perhaps on other os's
[05:05] <aeruder> paulproteus: and then cripple them when they have to do something with command line?
[05:05] <aeruder> paulproteus: a little command line never hurt anyone ;)
[05:05] <calc> x is just meant to be a way to run more xterms
[05:05] <aeruder> calc: thank you!
[05:05] <aeruder> heh
[05:05] <calc> :)
[05:05] <paulproteus> calc: That's not how lots of users see GNU/Linux, though I do have that position sometimes.
[05:06] <paulproteus> Basically, this is the big advantage of Ubuntu over most other distros: Well-integrated GUI tools.
[05:06] <calc> if dos wasn't a pos the same would be of windows
[05:06] <cendrizzi> Hi all, anyone use the ati drivers?
[05:06] <aeruder> paulproteus: that's not how many see it, but at the same time i don't see the point on teaching a user how to do it the "GNOME" way
[05:06] <aeruder> and then when they try XFCE they have to fire up gnome to add people to groups
[05:06] <PD> thanks guys its working now
[05:06] <paulproteus> aeruder: So they can feel less like, "Linux is a frustrating experience."
[05:06] <cendrizzi> I'm trying to setup laptop mode
[05:06] <aeruder> or when they try a different distro, they are screwed
[05:06] <calc> gui's are slower than console for most things, of course word processing, web browsing are useful to have a gui
[05:06] <aeruder> PD: was that in any way frustrating?
[05:06] <aeruder> hehe
[05:07] <PD> nope that was a cake walk
[05:07] <aeruder> PD: you're starting a flamewar ;)
[05:07] <calc> unless you like typing docbook directly in vim ;)
[05:07] <paulproteus> (PD: As an aside, you can do this from the GUI, too: Computer -> System settings -> Users and Groups.)
[05:07] <Xenguy> aeruder: maybe *for some people*, the GUI is a path to the CLI ?
[05:07] <kergan> Xenguy,  i agree
[05:07] <cendrizzi> anyone?  ati drivers?  Hopefully on a laptop?
[05:07] <Xenguy> kergan: some people will *never* take to the CLI (altho I'm not really sure why that is)
[05:07] <PD> I tried installing ubuntu on my friendslaptop but it crashed
[05:07] <kergan> i used the gui then started using the cli casue it was more powerfull
[05:08] <aeruder> Xenguy: *perhaps*... however, with many system conf issues with gui's, they are different from distro to distro, not to mention they are different from desktop to desktop, and then they are different from version to version
[05:08] <aeruder> so why not teach people the way that will stick around?
[05:08] <calc> i use the regular x.org driver for my 9600 but thats also because there is no amd64 driver at all for it
[05:08] <Crane> hey guys, got to go
[05:08] <PD> I tried stoppoing services an all that, finally I gave up
[05:08] <Crane> I'll swing in tomorrow night
[05:08] <Xenguy> aeruder: sure, which is why learning the 'low-level' tools is best ;-)
[05:08] <Crane> later
[05:09] <paulproteus> cendrizzi: There's probably some info on the forums, but I have no personal experience with it.
[05:09] <Xenguy> aeruder: but I guess in the end it depends on your specific audience at any given time
[05:09] <aeruder> Xenguy: in my experience, most somewhat-technically inclined people would rather be shown how to do it via the command-line (or even told, hey, you can directly edit /etc/group) than to use some magic gui that is gone when they install redhat
[05:10] <calc> that is why the tools need to be part of the desktop itself not part of the dist
[05:10] <cendrizzi> paulproteus, I'm coming here because I'm not getting help there :(
[05:10] <Xenguy> aeruder: I agree - and then there are those who are not 'tekkies', and want the GUI comfort zone
[05:10] <calc> eg g-s-t
[05:10] <paulproteus> cendrizzi: Ah.
[05:10] <aeruder> calc: yes, and then when they use KDE instead of gnome?
[05:10] <calc> shoot them to put them out of their misery? ;)
[05:10] <Xenguy> aeruder: or perhaps what they think is the comfort zone ;-)
[05:10] <paulproteus> aeruder: It's in the KDE Control Center, actually.
[05:10] <aeruder> or a slower machine and decide that they want to run blackbox or fluxbox?
[05:10] <paulproteus> Not hard to find.
[05:10] <paulproteus> aeruder: And it's certainly a good idea to teach them the command-line version, too.
[05:10] <cendrizzi> paulproteus, It's really dumb, you can setup laptop mode, to toggle between external monitor and lcd but I have no idea how to actually toggle
[05:10] <cendrizzi> there is no docs on it
[05:11] <aeruder> paulproteus: well, *I* for one will not be showing people how to do it via the GUI
[05:11] <calc> the kde admin tools looked pretty bad the last time i looked at them, and aren't nearly as complete
[05:11] <cendrizzi> ATI certainly doesn't have any
[05:11] <crimsun> command line first. gui tools after.
[05:11] <paulproteus> aeruder: No problem. :)
[05:11] <aeruder> and that is that.. so feel free to interject with how to do it via the GUI
[05:11] <aeruder> <-- doesn't use gnome/kde ;)
[05:11] <calc> aiui kalyxo is working on fixing the kde tools
[05:11] <kergan> i use my seti@home in cli casue its easer to set up that way
[05:11] <paulproteus> calc: Oh, good. :)
[05:12] <calc> would be cool to abstract the backend of g-s-t and just have both gnome and kde frontends to that
[05:13] <tar`> 'lo all.
[05:13] <kergan> high tar`
[05:13] <paulproteus> gnome-system-tools, got it.
[05:14] <paulproteus> I thought you were saying something about gstreamer, calc.
[05:14] <calc> oh sorry, yea gnome-system-tools
[05:18] <Riddell> calc: the backend is abstracted and there's already a KDE frontend to the network configuration stuff that needs to be investigated
[05:22] <tar`> Where has Ubuntu been all my life? :P
[05:23] <davyd> tar`: hidden in a pit of tar we call Debian ;)
[05:24] <calc> Riddell: great
[05:29] <tuggy1> the best linux distro!
[05:29] <tuggy1> and I have tried ALOT of them
[05:30] <tar`> Now to figure this Tomcat dealie out :P
[05:30] <tuggy1> just tried PCLOS beta8... its nice
[05:30] <kergan> wb lostmonk
[05:30] <lostmonk> anyone awake?
[05:30] <lostmonk> yay
[05:30] <kergan> did it work
[05:31] <lostmonk> noipe
[05:31] <tar`> I'm awake
[05:31] <kergan> lol
[05:31] <lostmonk> while i installed, i had a bootstrap error
[05:31] <kergan> what happed lostmonk
[05:31] <kergan> thats odd
[05:31] <lostmonk> heres my question
[05:31] <calamari> hi
[05:31] <kergan> didja do a check to see if the iso matched the checksom
[05:31] <lostmonk> i have 2 HD's
[05:31] <lostmonk> the what?
[05:32] <kergan> nevermind
[05:32] <lostmonk> hehe
[05:32] <kergan> /dev/hda = hdd c
[05:32] <lostmonk> if i install this on my 1 gig, can i take over the 10 gig after i get it working?
[05:32] <kergan> /dev/hdb = hdd d
[05:32] <kergan> yes
[05:32] <netsplit> If I've got the correct stuff in "route -n" what could cause me to not be able to ping the router given I connected it up correctly physically too?
[05:33] <kergan> you can format the drive and have it mount some whare later
[05:33] <cef> hrm, does ubuntu actually fit in 1 gig by itself
[05:33] <lostmonk> that way i can leave this new install of windows here if i have more issues
[05:33] <kergan> yep
[05:33] <kergan> lostmonk,
[05:33] <tuggy1> does anyone know the name of the system monitor that looks like just text on you backround
[05:33] <tar`> cef: According to the site, it fits in 300 MB if you do it right
[05:33] <kergan> ya its called top
[05:33] <lostmonk> yeah kergan?
[05:33] <kergan> yep
[05:33] <netsplit> tuggy1: gdesklets?
[05:33] <kergan> i have done that
[05:33] <cef> tar`: yeah expert server install
[05:33] <tuggy1> top? Thanks
[05:33] <Quest-Master> Has anyone here been able to install mozilla-mplayer through source?
[05:34] <cef> tar`: that doens't help the average desktop user
[05:34] <tuggy1> quest... I know people have had luck with mozplugger I think
[05:34] <lostmonk> well, if i can get it to install on the small drive, ill reinstall on the bigger if i gotta
[05:34] <lostmonk> i dunno if the iso was bad or what
[05:35] <lostmonk> whats the link for the site?
[05:35] <tar`> I had a 1.4 GB drive and by passing the option to tell it not to copy the package files, it fit until I rebooted and began the second half of installation :-\
[05:35] <kergan> www.ubuntulinux.org
[05:36] <tar`> Not that it's all that important now that I got rid of that laptop. ;)
[05:36] <tar`> Has anyone here installed Tomcat in Ubuntu?
[05:36] <lostmonk> warty-release-install-i386.iso
[05:37] <lostmonk> thats what i want right?
[05:37] <Quest-Master> There's a bug in the mozilla-dev package so I can't compile mozilla-mplayer for some reason
[05:37] <davyd> libpanel-applet2-doc doesn't install actual documentation it seems
[05:37] <Quest-Master> *bug in the mozilla-dev package for Debian and Ubuntu
[05:37] <kergan> lostmonk,  yes
[05:38] <lostmonk> well, here goes another 20 minutes of downloading
[05:38] <lostmonk> :P
[05:38] <kergan> lol
[05:38] <lostmonk> what makes ubuntu better than KDE?
[05:38] <lostmonk> since i have all this time
[05:38] <tuggy1> lostmonk they are too differant things
[05:39] <tuggy1> ubuntu is a distro
[05:39] <kergan> kde = gui
[05:39] <lostmonk> i thought ubuntu was just a kind of gnome
[05:39] <tuggy1> kde is a desktop manager/resource hog/everything else they pack in
[05:39] <tuggy1> no
[05:39] <kergan> ubuntu uses gnome primarly
[05:39] <tuggy1> gnome is just a desktop manager
[05:39] <kergan> as a gui
[05:40] <tuggy1> like explorer is to windows
[05:40] <Rene_S> Well for one thing Gnome seems to use less resources
[05:40] <kergan> sorry i am wrong gui = xserver
[05:40] <lostmonk> so ubuntu is more like red hat, etc
[05:40] <tuggy1> yeah
[05:40] <lostmonk> so a sorta "brand"
[05:40] <kergan> yeah
[05:40] <tuggy1> yep
[05:40] <lostmonk> but they will all use the same apps?
[05:40] <kergan> flavors we call them
[05:40] <kergan> prity much
[05:40] <lostmonk> hehe
[05:40] <Rene_S> The second reason is that its philosophy is nice
[05:40] <lostmonk> like i heard about kopete<sp?>
[05:41] <kergan> thats for kde desktop
[05:41] <tuggy1> kopete is the kde chat client
[05:41] <lostmonk> does ubuntu have something like that?
[05:41] <tuggy1> gnome has GAIM (better)
[05:41] <lostmonk> ahhhh
[05:41] <kergan> gaim= im
[05:41] <lostmonk> so i cant use kde stuff then
[05:41] <tuggy1> ask anyone and they will tell you that
[05:41] <kergan> instant messanger
[05:41] <tuggy1> sure you can
[05:41] <kergan> gnome has xchat tuggy1
[05:41] <tuggy1> you just need some KDE files
[05:42] <tuggy1> not for IM
[05:42] <bob2> lostmonk: you can use kde stuff, if you want
[05:42] <tuggy1> Xchat is for IRC
[05:42] <bob2> but they won't be as well integrated into the system as gnome ones generally are
[05:42] <tuggy1> GAIM is for AIM MSN Yahoo Jabber
[05:42] <lostmonk> but does kde stuff cause issues on ubu?
[05:42] <tar`> Man, you guys are loud... I need more tolerable Gaim sounds.
[05:42] <tuggy1> lostmonk, not really
[05:42] <lostmonk> not really isnt comforting :P
[05:43] <tuggy1> but the only good KDE app is k3b
[05:43] <tar`> Isn't there a FAQ that answers lostmonk's questions? These seem pretty general to me.
[05:43] <adbak> i use AIM sounds for gaim.  i got them back when i used my windows partition
[05:43] <lostmonk> im just stuck waiting for the iso to download again
[05:43] <tuggy1> not really means... it doesnt always looks as pritty, might have a bug here or there
[05:43] <lostmonk> mIRC is now the only app on my system
[05:44] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=8783
[05:45] <tuggy1> any one else here try Freesbie?
[05:45] <adbak> in xchat, what are those two bars below the member list for?
[05:45] <tar`> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view <- Includes "Do you support KDE?" "Which packages are available in Ubuntu?" etc.
[05:45] <Rene_S> one for lag
[05:45] <Rene_S> not sure about the other
[05:46] <Rene_S> says its a throttle meter
[05:46] <tuggy1> hey can someone go here: http://www.freesbie.org/images/freesbie11-2.jpg and tell me what system monitor that is in the top right
[05:46] <kergan> lag and amount transvered
[05:46] <tar`> So I guess it's so you don't flood?
[05:47] <Rene_S> that might come in handy if my wife doesn't stop spending my money
[05:47] <kergan> no
[05:47] <tar`> tuggy1: I saw that earlier today and couldn't figure out what it was either. :)
[05:47] <lostmonk> what is apt-get?
[05:47] <kergan> i use gkrellm for my system montor
[05:48] <tar`> tuggy1: It looked more elegant in the desktop I saw it in :P
[05:48] <adbak> apt-get is the backbone for synaptic.  it's basically the command line interface for downloading and installing programs
[05:48] <kergan> lostmonk,  its kinda like rpm -i some.rpm
[05:48] <lostmonk> wow
[05:48] <kergan> yep
[05:48] <tar`> lostmonk: Do you have previous Linux experience?
[05:48] <lostmonk> i guess i really got a lot to learn
[05:48] <tuggy1> apt-get is the greatest thing ever invented
[05:48] <lostmonk> none
[05:48] <Adrenal> i just reinstall ubuntu(don't ask)
[05:48] <tar`> Any alternative OS experience? ;)
[05:48] <lostmonk> ive seen the penguin, and heard stories
[05:48] <Adrenal> but the highest screen res i can get is 1024
[05:48] <tar`> haha
[05:48] <kergan> Adrenal,  what didja break
[05:49] <Adrenal> before i could get 1152
[05:49] <Adrenal> how do i increase it?
[05:49] <lostmonk> tar: windows
[05:49] <lostmonk> thats it
[05:49] <Xenguy> lostmonk: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptgetHowto/view?searchterm=apt-get
[05:49] <kergan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.992 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 290/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.82G Free: 18.50G Procs: 78 Uptime: 3 hrs 15 mins 58 secs Load: 1.32 1.71 1.65  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 255.70M Out: 17.22M
[05:49] <tar`> Eek
[05:49] <lostmonk> unless i go all the way back to like apple IIe or vic 20
[05:49] <Adrenal> kergan, y?
[05:49] <tuggy1> kergan how did you do that?
[05:49] <Hikaru79> tuggy1, it's an X-Chat plugin
[05:49] <Adrenal> sys.all
[05:49] <kergan> i got a script from www.xchat.org
[05:50] <Rene_S> Linux CPE000ae62705a3-CM014490004397 2.6.7-2.tmb.6mdk #1 Fri Dec 10 17:50:19 CST 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
[05:50] <Adrenal> somebody?
[05:50] <Adrenal> how do i increase my res?
[05:50] <kergan> edit your x conf file
[05:50] <Rene_S> wow uname -a is so informative
[05:50] <tuggy1> kergan, you running hoary?
[05:50] <kergan> yep
[05:50] <kergan> notice the kernel
[05:50] <kergan> ver
[05:50] <tar`> Computer > System Configuration > Screen Resolution ?
[05:50] <Adrenal> ...
[05:50] <Adrenal> the highest there is 1024
[05:50] <tuggy1> yeah thats what I thought
[05:50] <speel> man hoary is so unstable lol
[05:50] <adbak> adrenal: dpk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86.  type that in a terminal and use the defaults.  eventually you'll get to a list of res's
[05:50] <Hikaru79> http://dev.gentoo.org/~chainsaw/xsys/usage.html
[05:50] <kergan> not for me
[05:50] <tuggy1> how is hoary running for you?
[05:51] <kergan> its stable and runs great
[05:51] <speel> youll see
[05:51] <Adrenal> ta
[05:51] <tuggy1> I havent made the switch yet
[05:51] <adbak> adrenal: check out the nvidia / ati driver wiki for more info
[05:51] <tuggy1> does 3d nvidia drivers work well?
[05:51] <Adrenal> dpk-reconfigure: command not found
[05:51] <kergan> i just did a sysupdate and it still runs fine
[05:51] <lostmonk> am i gonna need a long time to learn all this?
[05:51] <kergan> lostmonk,  no
[05:51] <tuggy1> lostmonk, it will come faster then you think
[05:51] <adbak> dpkg-reconfigure
[05:51] <kergan> just a few weeks if your read the fourms
[05:51] <adbak> sorry
[05:52] <tuggy1> just play, break, fix, play, break, fix
[05:52] <kergan> yep
[05:52] <lostmonk> looks s  much like i need to learn greek or something
[05:52] <Adrenal> thanks
[05:52] <adbak> lostmonk: as long as you're interested, it will come soon
[05:52] <kergan> not greek just geek
[05:52] <adbak> adrenal: yw
[05:52] <lostmonk> i cant afford to break and fix too often
[05:52] <tar`> I've been able to avoid going into the terminal for a lot of stuff, which is nice.
[05:52] <lostmonk> my GF will go nuts
[05:53] <tuggy1> terminal is my fav place... makes things so much faster then waiting for guis
[05:53] <kergan> tuggy1,  some times
[05:53] <tar`> lostmonk: I installed Ubuntu (Warty) and had a working system without any configuration; plus, with synaptic, you don't even need the terminal to easily install new applications.
[05:53] <Xenguy> lostmonk: the apt-get commands are pretty basic once you catch on
[05:54] <Xenguy> lostmonk: or there's synaptic
[05:54] <tar`> tuggy1: I just hate how every time I want to do something new, I have to go learn how to do it. When I don't really care about the internals, clicking a box for DHCP is good enough.
[05:54] <kergan> far more supior the the rpm based distros
[05:54] <lostmonk> now, when i had the bootstarp error earlier, it said something about burning the disc slower??
[05:54] <lostmonk> should i do that this time around?
[05:54] <tar`> It's worth a shot.
[05:54] <tar`> I assume it said your disc was a bad burn?
[05:54] <lostmonk> i gotta dig for my burner app now
[05:55] <tuggy1> tar`, I agree with you there, the one thing ubuntu needs is a control center like yast2 or the one in yoper
[05:55] <speel> lol
[05:55] <lostmonk> yeah, said there was a del bootstrap, something like that
[05:55] <tuggy1> do that you can config certain things quickly
[05:55] <kergan> i just like the fast if some thing freazes x(god forbid) it dont take the whole system down like it would with winshit
[05:55] <Adrenal> how do i select something?
[05:55] <Adrenal> what key?
[05:56] <Hikaru79> Any sourceforge users around here? I tried registering this morning (twice!) and I still haven't gotten the confirmation letter. It's been about 12 hours already. Is this normal?
[05:56] <kergan> Hikaru79,  yes
[05:56] <kergan> can take up to 24-48 hrs
[05:57] <tuggy1> I love yoper... I hope they find their way into success, Its one of the few distros that could take me away from ubuntu
[05:57] <adbak> i tried to install yoper, but for some reason it wouldn't take to my cpu
[05:57] <tuggy1> what cpu?
[05:58] <lostmonk> what about knoppix?
[05:58] <adbak> dell dimension 4800 i think
[05:58] <tuggy1> hmm
[05:58] <adbak> p4 2ghz 512mb
[05:58] <adbak> no biggie, i love ubuntu
[05:58] <tar`> Knoppix can be fun, although *it* doesn't like my system. ;)
[05:59] <tuggy1> yeah I love ubuntu too
[05:59] <tuggy1> I need to stop going to distrowatch
[05:59] <adbak> hehe
[05:59] <lostmonk> my GF was wanting to know if there was any kind of windows emulator for running windows apps
[05:59] <adbak> i wish i would have found distrowatch earlier in my linux days
[05:59] <tuggy1> it always makes me want to try new distros, only to remeber why I use ubuntu
[05:59] <tuggy1> lostmonk
[05:59] <speel> lostmonk: use winehq
[05:59] <tuggy1> lostmonk, yeah wine
[05:59] <kergan> lostmonk,  ya wine
[06:00] <adbak> lostmonk: are you trying to wean her off of windows?
[06:00] <speel> but half the time things dont work well so eh its give or take ... why what kind of stuff she wants to run?
[06:00] <lostmonk> i gotta ewan myself off
[06:00] <tuggy1> hey does anyone know if you can use cedega to run win apps other then games?
[06:00] <lostmonk> i have no idea
[06:00] <kergan> ask her then
[06:00] <speel> lol
[06:00] <lostmonk> i know shes gonna miss her amarang
[06:00] <lostmonk> :)
[06:01] <tuggy1> lostmonk, there is nothing windows has that linux doesnt, except commercial 3d games
[06:01] <lostmonk> brb
[06:01] <kergan> most any thang  thats out for win is eather ported to linux or linux allready has an equilivant
[06:01] <adbak> or linux already has a superior
[06:02] <kergan> that too
[06:02] <adbak> anyone know if hoary will come with reiser4 support?
[06:02] <tuggy1> maybe I should try installing a non game with cedega... see if it works
[06:02] <kergan> adbak,  yes
[06:02] <tar`> adbak: Is that stable?
[06:02] <nictuku> IMHO some stuff run slower on linux, like mozilla firefox and most "graphical" apps.
[06:02] <bob2> kergan: how do you know that?
[06:02] <adbak> i do believe it's stable
[06:02] <bob2> reiser4 isn't in a mainline kernel yet
[06:02] <kergan> its in the kernel modules list
[06:03] <tuggy1> mozzila runs just fine on linux for me
[06:03] <tuggy1> nictuku, how fast is your comp?
[06:03] <SimonTek> anyone in the SE georgia area need work?
[06:03] <nictuku> you'd notice the difference if you were on a k6 300 with 128mb of ram :)
[06:03] <tar`> Firefox doesn't handle opening zillions of tabs at once as well in Linux as it does in Windows for me.
[06:03] <nictuku> and I'm even running fluxbox instead of gnome
[06:03] <tuggy1> you should be using vector linux
[06:03] <adbak> i'm on a k6 350 with 128mb ram
[06:03] <adbak> :)
[06:03] <tuggy1> or DSL
[06:04] <adbak> wb lostmonk
[06:04] <tuggy1> they are much better for slow old compters
[06:04] <nictuku> vector linux?
[06:04] <nictuku> tar, I agree.
[06:04] <tuggy1> (time to upgrade)
[06:04] <speel> old comps stricktly deli linux
[06:04] <lostmonk> how slow should i burn this copy of the iso?
[06:04] <kergan> 4x
[06:04] <speel> what is it?
[06:04] <kergan> or 16x
[06:04] <tuggy1> i burn my ISOs at like 32x
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> 52x here
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> no problems
[06:05] <lostmonk> i did burn it at 32x
[06:05] <tuggy1> never miss burn even with my super cheap CDr
[06:05] <kergan> i burn mine as fast as the media will go
[06:05] <bob2> it depends on the media and the drive
[06:05] <tuggy1> my dvd burner tops out at 32x
[06:05] <kergan> i installed werty using a cd-rw disk
[06:05] <bob2> some old drives have problems with data cds burnt at high speeds
[06:06] <lostmonk> im just gonna try it slower like it suggested
[06:06] <lostmonk> maybe its these cheap cd's i have
[06:06] <lostmonk> :)
[06:06] <kergan> lol
[06:06] <kergan> ya or you just got the one bad disk in the bunch
[06:06] <lostmonk> 10$ for 50\
[06:06] <nictuku> it depends on the speed of the processor and amount of ram available, too. I can't burn at 8x or I'd get a buffer underrun.
[06:06] <tuggy1> I paid 5 bucks for my 50 stack of CDr
[06:07] <nictuku> :)
[06:07] <lostmonk> is there a list anywhere for apps available for ubu?
[06:07] <tuggy1> but I work for a computer store and get them almost at cost
[06:07] <lostmonk> hehe
[06:07] <lostmonk> i wish
[06:07] <kergan> i payed 20 for my stack of memorex 100 cd-rs
[06:07] <lostmonk> not too bad
[06:07] <lostmonk> ida done that
[06:07] <bob2> lostmonk: yes, but it won't really help you
[06:07] <bob2> lostmonk: since it's 12 000 items long
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> 20 for 150 52x cdr
[06:07] <tuggy1> lost.. anything you can find linux source files for will run on ubuntu
[06:07] <lostmonk> ikes
[06:08] <lostmonk> i wouldnt know what to do with linux source files
[06:08] <tuggy1> plus the 8000 apps in the deb repos
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:08] <bob2> you don't need to use source
[06:08] <kergan> just to compile it
[06:08] <bob2> once you've installed ubuntu, just have a look in synaptic
[06:08] <bob2> you don't need to compile anything
[06:08] <lostmonk> i was looking at screenshots for something, and it showed like a weather update thing
[06:08] <tuggy1> bob2, unless you want mplayer
[06:08] <kergan> lostmonk,  thats in ubuntu
[06:08] <lostmonk> cool
[06:08] <bob2> tuggy1: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, please don't spread FUD
[06:09] <kergan> i have mine up as we speek
[06:09] <lostmonk> is there something l;ike outlook too?
[06:09] <lostmonk> good
[06:09] <bob2> lostmonk: yes, evolution
[06:09] <lostmonk> that was one of my fav things on trillian
[06:09] <lostmonk> instant weather before i left for work
[06:09] <kergan> ya its called evolution
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> lostmonk, do you mean like outlook express?
[06:09] <lostmonk> maybe my gmail will work with that, since it wouldnt with outlook
[06:10] <lostmonk> yeah
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> thunderbird is good
[06:10] <kergan> then its called thunderbird
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> mozilla.org
[06:10] <rolfzor> lostmonk: gmail works great in evolution
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> yea it does
[06:10] <lostmonk> good
[06:10] <lostmonk> today my outlook updated for the first time in 3 weeks
[06:10] <lostmonk> :P
[06:11] <tuggy1> bob2, now your stuff before you get on peoples case... there have been problems installing mplayer
[06:11] <kergan> lol
[06:11] <nictuku> will preseeds support be added to the next ubuntu release installer?
[06:11] <bob2> tuggy1: er, um, ok
[06:11] <kergan> nictuku,  whats that
[06:11] <bob2> tuggy1: the only problems I've seen are from people failing to follow the instructions
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> bob2, true
[06:11] <bob2> tuggy1: can you point me to a specific problem so it can be fixed?
[06:11] <lostmonk> well, im gonna try this again here
[06:12] <nictuku> auto-install, for mass installations.
[06:12] <lostmonk> if i have issues, ill be back again :P
[06:12] <kergan> lol
[06:12] <kergan> cya
[06:12] <lostmonk> hopefully, ill just be back
[06:12] <tuggy1> if I come across it again.. no problem
[06:12] <bob2> nictuku: some people are working on it for d-i in debian, I imagine there's still tiem for it to make it into hoary if it's stable
[06:12] <tuggy1> and its not FUD
[06:12] <kergan> nictuku,  probly not
[06:12] <bob2> it is FUD
[06:12] <bob2> since the packages work fine for thousands of people
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> bob2, call it like it is man
[06:13] <tuggy1> but we can also add that they are unsupported and not even in the ubuntu repos
[06:13] <bob2> no, we can't
[06:13] <bob2> since mplayer is in multiverse
[06:14] <nictuku> if when hoary releases the d-i is still "rc2", will it ship it?
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> mplayer rocks, even if a few people can't follow directions..
[06:14] <tuggy1> mplayer does rock
[06:14] <bob2> nictuku: warty shipped with d-i from before the first beta, iirc
[06:14] <adbak> gxine is a competent replacement for mplayer
[06:15] <SimonTek> is anyone from GA?
[06:15] <kergan> i think xine is better the mplayer
[06:15] <nictuku> rc2 has a pretty decent preseeds set.
[06:15] <tuggy1> best player for linux that I have used
[06:15] <kergan> but to each hisOR her own
[06:15] <bob2> SimonTek: the user list is probably a better place for questions like that
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> so where is that list guys
[06:16] <bur[n] er> xine is better than mplayer?
[06:16] <bob2> no
[06:16] <kergan> yes
[06:16] <bob2> they're both pretty much equivalent
[06:16] <Roshbo> Whats that weather thing called that Lost spoke about
[06:16] <nictuku> no, IMO.
[06:16] <SimonTek> I am curious if anyone wants to submit a resume. thats all
[06:16] <kergan> its in your add idam to your bar
[06:16] <adbak> burner: not necessarily.  depends on your tastes
[06:16] <bur[n] er> eh... i like mplayer's interface... that's about it
[06:16] <bob2> Roshbo: evolution used to be able to show weather forecasts.  theres a gnome panel applet for it now
[06:16] <bur[n] er> they both play about the same stuff
[06:17] <bob2> SimonTek: yes, I know, try the list
[06:17] <bur[n] er> vlc is actually really nice too
[06:17] <Roshbo> tks
[06:17] <bob2> SimonTek: the odds of finding any significant number of people from one specific state ine one random country at any time in here is small, compared to the list
[06:17] <adbak> i had problems with vlc, forget what they were
[06:17] <SimonTek> true
[06:17] <SimonTek> being lazy.
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:18] <kergan> SimonTek,  if i lived thare id sumit one but i am lazy
[06:18] <kergan> lol
[06:18] <Roshbo> ohh there's a stock ticker too...cool
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> yea, finding people to do work for money ...
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> people don't want to talk about working for a living...
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:18] <SimonTek> I know you.
[06:18] <tuggy1> ok I have a question... if I installed mplayer from source can I use the mozzila-mplayer from marrilatt?
[06:19] <SimonTek> i think.
[06:19] <adbak> tuggy1: you should be able to
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> tuggy1, in my experience, the mozplugger works better
[06:20] <tuggy1> thats what I have heard
[06:20] <tuggy1> where can I get mozplugger?
[06:21] <tuggy1> do I need to install from source
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> it should be in the deb repos
[06:21] <kergan> should be on the universer respotory
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> kergan, thanks
[06:21] <kergan> your welcome
[06:22] <kergan> but i dont
[06:22] <tuggy1> do I need to configure mozplugger at all?
[06:22] <tuggy1> or should it just work
[06:22] <kergan> it should just work
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> yea, what kergan said
[06:23] <adbak> it should just work ootb
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> it should work
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> and work well
[06:23] <tuggy1> ok Im going to try some videos
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> even can go full screen with quicktime trailers from apple
[06:23] <tuggy1> sounds good
[06:24] <kergan> the other one worsk just fine for even realplayer files and quick time
[06:24] <kergan> realplayer as long as rp is installed
[06:24] <tuggy1> where do I get rp? is it part of win32codecs
[06:24] <tuggy1> or the mplayer win codecs?
[06:25] <adbak> it's its own pkg
[06:25] <nictuku> i wonder if there are many people successfully using ubuntu in complex servers..
[06:25] <kergan> http://ubuntuguide.org/ <-- go here it will help you install it
[06:25] <tuggy1> oh you mean realplayer its self
[06:25] <tuggy1> I rather die
[06:25] <kergan> step buy step
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:25] <nictuku> most people here are desktop-only users, it seems..
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> helix works for some of the rp feeds
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> easy install
[06:26] <kergan> healix rp same thang
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> except the license
[06:26] <adbak> imho, helix is the one redeeming feature of Real
[06:26] <kergan> yep
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:26] <tuggy1> anyone still putting .rm files online needs to be shot
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:26] <rolfzor> twice
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> yea, rm sucks
[06:27] <Dko> Heh hi again ^^;  Umm im trying to install TinyFugue and when I ./config it get this:  checking for gcc... no checking for cc... no.  configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH.  Might I ask what I have to do about this?
[06:27] <kergan> then shot once more
[06:27] <tuggy1> OMG video files in mozilla!!!
[06:27] <tuggy1> hehe
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> sweet
[06:27] <calamari> Dko: you did install gcc, right?
[06:27] <tar`> Good night!
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> kergan, then fed to the bugblatter beast of traal
[06:27] <kergan> yep
[06:27] <kergan> lol
[06:27] <adbak> g'night,m tar`
[06:27] <Blackwell> you mean helix doesn't require you to hand over your first, second and third born to real software? way to go, real, we are so proud of you. :)
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> right
[06:28] <kergan> i love that radio program and books and movies
[06:29] <kergan> Blackwell,  dont we all
[06:29] <tuggy1> anyway to control the movies in mozplugger?
[06:29] <kergan> 15 mil ppl hitting on e company and it got out of businness
[06:29] <kergan> nope
[06:30] <Blackwell> kergan: real software is out of business? yay team! now let's move on to sco.
[06:30] <kergan> lol
[06:30] <kergan> and netware
[06:30] <tuggy1> so I cant fast forward through this SUPER CRAP XXX state of the union trailer
[06:30] <kergan> ttoo
[06:30] <Dko> Could someone help me with my  TinyFugue install problem?
[06:30] <tuggy1> NOOOOO!!!!!!
[06:31] <Blackwell> Dko: hm. is that software in any way related to the "brainf*ck" programming language?
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> tuggy1, let me find out what mine does now... it did have the controls
[06:31] <tuggy1> when the star of a movie doesnt come back for the sequal you know its bad (specially when they replace them with ICE T)
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> the mplayer file... let me find it
[06:31] <Dko> Oo
[06:32] <Dko> Blackwell: If you being serious. I have no clue.
[06:32] <Blackwell> Dko: half serious. that language actually exists. :)
[06:33] <lostmonk> dear god allmighty
[06:33] <Dko> lol intresting
[06:33] <tuggy1> is that what they write windows in?
[06:33] <lostmonk> this is ridiculous
[06:33] <Blackwell> tuggy1: some call c and c++ that kind of language, i guess.
[06:33] <tuggy1> cause when ever I use it I feel like im getting "brainf******"
[06:33] <rolfzor> Dko: have you installed build-essential?
[06:33] <lostmonk> couldnt retrieve bsdmainutils. This may be due to a network problem or a bad cd.
[06:33] <Blackwell> there are a few others like that. invented to be as horrible as possible.
[06:34] <Dko> I don't think I have.  Cause I havn't heard of that beffore
[06:34] <lostmonk> now, when it come to the network config part right in the begginning
[06:34] <rolfzor> omg
[06:34] <lostmonk> it says it cant find a network
[06:34] <Dko> <--- hates being a linux newb ><
[06:34] <lostmonk> asks if i wanna set it up static or something
[06:34] <lostmonk> i just byapss the step, could that be the problem?
[06:35] <rolfzor> Dko: install it through synaptic and try again
[06:35] <kergan> how is you net configured in win
[06:35] <lostmonk> i have no clue
[06:35] <kergan> go look
[06:35] <lostmonk> it just does it all automatically
[06:35] <lostmonk> what am i looking for?
[06:35] <kergan> if it uses static routing or dhcp
[06:35] <ChrisC_> Can you all recommend a stable IRC client for someone (me) who uses IRC like once a month but is scared by XChat?  I currently uses Mozilla's Chatzilla on Windows.
[06:36] <tuggy1> hmmm I need for programs open
[06:36] <Dko> rolfzor: Alright.  Just let me see if I can find
[06:36] <lostmonk> dhcp
[06:36] <kergan> hmm it might not reconize your nic card then
[06:36] <lostmonk> i have a garbage integrated nic
[06:36] <bob2> ChrisC_: you can use chatzilla on linux
[06:36] <rolfzor> ChrisC_: chatzilla runs on linux too
[06:36] <bob2> ChrisC_: what scares you about xchat?
[06:36] <kergan> lostmonk,  then thats wot it is
[06:37] <kergan> lostmonk, do you have a 3com laying arount
[06:37] <ChrisC_> Hmmm, I installed Mozilla but the CZ button isn't there ...
[06:37] <lostmonk> nope
[06:37] <lostmonk> i have no extra stuff
[06:37] <bob2> lostmonk: did your cd burn correctly?
[06:37] <kergan> lostmonk,  any network card
[06:37] <lostmonk> dunno
[06:37] <lostmonk> i had an error at a different part than last time, so i dunno
[06:37] <kergan> bob2 it worked just says cant find network
[06:37] <rolfzor> ChrisC_: you have to install the mozilla-chatzilla package
[06:38] <bob2> kergan: that's not answering my question :)
[06:38] <ChrisC_> Aha!
[06:38] <kergan> lostmonk,  it is a good burn this time
[06:38] <ChrisC_> I should be back in a minute with a different client :)
[06:38] <lostmonk> i dunno
[06:38] <tuggy1> what are some good program recommendations for stealing files? I mean sharing files
[06:38] <kergan> bob2,  it worked casue it errors out at the network setup part of the install
[06:38] <Dko> rolfzor: Yes that worked.  Thanks ^^
[06:38] <lostmonk> id assume it was
[06:38] <tuggy1> like with gnutella or edonky
[06:39] <lostmonk> i burned at half the speed as the 1st time
[06:39] <bob2> kergan: no, that doesn't mean the cd is ok
[06:39] <bob2> kergan: that's a sign that the cd is *not* ok
[06:39] <rolfzor> Dko: np
[06:39] <kergan> bob2,  not in my expereance
[06:39] <kergan> but ok
[06:39] <bob2> lostmonk: can you run the "check cd" step?
[06:39] <rolfzor> tuggy1: nicotine is great for music
[06:39] <rolfzor> (its a soulseek client)
[06:39] <lostmonk> is there a way to see if my hardware just is not supported?
[06:39] <lostmonk> lemme check
[06:39] <ChrisC_> tada!
[06:40] <lostmonk> not that i see
[06:40] <tuggy1> thanks rolf
[06:40] <tuggy1> any others?
[06:40] <lostmonk> its nero
[06:41] <adbak> lostmonk: check out http://www.linuxcompatible.org
[06:41] <ChrisC_> I apoligize in advance for the n00b questions I'm about to ask.  I know unix systems (work in QNX all day long) but need help getting my bearings in my new Ubuntu installation ...
[06:41] <ChrisC_> s/apoligize/apologize
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:41] <ChrisC_> I have a basic Ubuntu Warty install ...
[06:42] <ChrisC_> Recommend a CPU/memory status tracker?  Like something that resides at the bottom of the screen somewhere.  Ubuntu approved, of course.
[06:42] <lostmonk> as long as its green, its compatible, right?
[06:42] <bob2> ChrisC_: gnome has a system monitor applet
[06:42] <bob2> ChrisC_: right click on the panel -> add applet -> system monitor
[06:42] <adbak> chrisc_: gdesklets?
[06:43] <kergan> gkrellm is a far sepior systom monter
[06:43] <bob2> and takes up far more space and cpu
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> true, on both counts
[06:43] <tuggy1> OH NO!! Im only using 152 megs of ram
[06:44] <kergan> bob2,  not to bad if you keep all the plugins out of it
[06:44] <lostmonk> this so sux
[06:44] <kergan> but i cant stop form playing with the plugins
[06:44] <ChrisC_> OK, really stupid question:  "right click on the panel"  where?  I tried ...
[06:44] <kergan> anyware
[06:44] <bob2> anywhere on the bare panel
[06:45] <bob2> ie not on another applet
[06:45] <tuggy1> beed more apps running
[06:45] <ChrisC_> hmmm, mozilla buttons in the way, must learn how to size those ...
[06:45] <tuggy1> I want to know if my swap partition works
[06:45] <adbak> the grey bars at the top and bottom of the screen
[06:46] <tuggy1> damn linux and it s good memory managment and non resource hogging applications
[06:46] <kergan> lol
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> tuggy1, if you are logged in then it is working
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:46] <kergan> i have 516mbs of ram and i havent even tuched my swap yet
[06:46] <ChrisC_> OK, still lost ... "bare panel" ... oh CHRIST you meant the thing at the TOP of the screen.  I was clicking around the taskbar at the bottom ...
[06:46] <tuggy1> I have never had anything more to swap yet
[06:46] <kergan> i have even made my swap 128mgs
[06:47] <ChrisC_> bingo!
[06:47] <lostmonk> should i try to get like a barebones install of linux first or somthing?
[06:47] <tuggy1> I have a gig for swap
[06:47] <bob2> ChrisC_: that is also a panel, but it doesn't have any free space
[06:47] <adbak> lostmonk: have you tried to do the default install?
[06:48] <lostmonk> what do you mean?
[06:48] <tuggy1> 12 windows open so far... no slow down!! this thing must be broken, its missing the bullettime application load features of windows
[06:48] <ChrisC_> hmmm, as soon as I installed the System Monitor panel, the mouse got jumpy
[06:48] <adbak> what are you trying to install/configure?
[06:48] <ChrisC_> removed it -> mouse smooth again
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> tuggy1, if you add the mplayerplug-in with mozplugger installed you get the controls in the mozilla player window
[06:48] <lostmonk> i restart with the cd in
[06:48] <lostmonk> and it never gets past base install
[06:48] <bob2> lostmonk: have you checked the cd burnt correctly yet?
[06:48] <tuggy1> mplayerplug-in?
[06:48] <lostmonk> ive reburnt it once already
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:49] <calamari> tuggy1: what's sad is that this 333MHz machine should be capable of that.. but linux is paintfully slow on it.
[06:49] <adbak> is your cd-drive reliable?  i had trouble installing ubuntu on this comp but that was due to a faulty cd-drive
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> calamari, did you mod hdparm?
[06:49] <bob2> lostmonk: no, that's not the same
[06:49] <lostmonk> never had issues with it before
[06:49] <bob2> lostmonk: check that the CD burnt correctly
[06:49] <lostmonk> how?
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> to speed up the HD access speeds
[06:49] <calamari> nomasteryoda: dunno.. not sure what that means :)
[06:49] <bob2> lostmonk: select 'check cd' from the installer menu
[06:49] <calamari> oh
[06:49] <bob2> or use md5sum on it
[06:50] <tuggy1> why wont this computer slow down!!!!
[06:50] <lostmonk> installer menu on the cd?
[06:50] <ChrisC_> hmm, it's the network component of the System panel that causes the jumpy mouse.  I wonder if that's a warning of network trouble (brand new install)
[06:50] <bob2> tuggy1: chill dude
[06:50] <tuggy1> 246mb of ram used
[06:50] <tuggy1> sorry
[06:50] <adbak> lostmonk: try installing ubuntu again, but instead of hitting enter after your computer boots up, type 'custom-expert'
[06:51] <lostmonk> ok
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> look at this article... http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/14/166253&tid=89
[06:51] <lostmonk> then what?
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> for hdparm
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> er, the url that is
[06:51] <calamari> nomasteryoda: thanks, I appreciate that :)
[06:51] <adbak> then you'll have a list of options that you can use to check the cd or install various parts of ubuntu
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> lostmonk, look at sudo lspci
[06:51] <lostmonk> ah, ok
[06:52] <lostmonk> sudo what?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> sudo lspci   - lspci lists pci hw
[06:52] <tuggy1> I should get a screen shot of this when Im done
[06:52] <lostmonk> and what with the md5sum thing am i looking for?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> that the md5 matches for the iso
[06:53] <lostmonk> dunno how
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> nero has that option too... pretty sure of that
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> i have done it, but since i have used k3b for the past year, i have forgotten windows junk ...hehe
[06:53] <kergan> ya me too
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> k3b is the kde cdburning app
[06:54] <tuggy1> heheI opened all off the standard ubuntu apps that are installed normally
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> calamari, if you mod the hdparm, first do the dma option then if it is stable, try something more daring
[06:54] <lostmonk> i have old nero soo
[06:54] <kergan> with minimal kde crap installed
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:54] <tuggy1> only using 381mb of ram
[06:55] <mroth> hmm.. im using 700mb running only xchat, thunderbird, firefox, gaim, and some terminal windows
[06:55] <tuggy1> wow mroth... youve got to be kidding
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> lostmonk, look here
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> http://www.fastsum.com/press/md5-hash.php
[06:55] <mroth> according to resource monitor anyhow
[06:55] <ChrisC_> OK, next n00b question:  when I do some action requiring root, what governs whether I get a password prompt for that action?  It seems to be remembering the root password sometimes (i.e. no PW prompt)
[06:55] <tuggy1> are you compiling in the background?
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> that should get you going on a windows burn
[06:56] <mroth> what are your stats coming from/
[06:56] <mroth> nope
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> and free
[06:56] <tuggy1> from gnomes system monitor
[06:56] <mroth> maybe it uses more because I have more total
[06:56] <mroth> (2gb installed)
[06:56] <CheatersRealm> ChrisC_, if you su to root, then you just need the password when suing, then you are root.  if you use sudo then it remembers it and sometimes it just doesn't require a password (at least it can be set up that way)
[06:56] <tuggy1> yeah I only have a gig installed
[06:56] <mroth> firefox has a VM size of 120MB :/
[06:57] <mroth> haha wtf trashapplet has a vm size of 27.3mb
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> CheatersRealm, ChrisC_ also note the option to open a root terminal
[06:57] <tuggy1> how many tasks running?
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> which requires only entering sudo password once
[06:57] <tuggy1> I have 143
[06:57] <adbak> ChrisC_: or you can always use the root terminal: Applications -> Sys Tools -> Root Termina
[06:57] <mroth> why on earth does an icon of a trashcan need 30 megs of ram
[06:57] <ChrisC_> let me do a test to see if I can come up with a testcase to illustrate what I mean ...
[06:58] <kergan> i have 150 running and still only takeing  2/3 of my ram
[06:58] <mroth> 90 tasks total
[06:58] <CheatersRealm> I am really considering running ubuntu
[06:58] <tuggy1> yeah my trash take 24mb
[06:58] <tuggy1> kergan how much ram?
[06:58] <kergan> 516
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> CheatersRealm, Ubuntu rocks
[06:58] <tuggy1> I have every gnome game launched right now :)
[06:58] <ChrisC_> adbak: actually, that's what's driving my question:  why don't I get a root PW prompt when I try to open a root terminal (it just opens)?
[06:58] <CheatersRealm> nomasteryoda, I figured I might get that response here :)
[06:58] <cryptomatt> i get this error right at the boot process saying that VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hda6.
[06:58] <tuggy1> chris there is no root
[06:59] <tuggy1> it uses gksudo
[06:59] <cryptomatt> this is because its an reiserfs
[06:59] <bur[n] er_> cryptomatt: do you even use ext3?
[06:59] <tuggy1> so it asks for your password
[06:59] <cryptomatt> no i dont
[06:59] <bur[n] er_> well there you go ;)
[06:59] <ChrisC_> tuggy1: I know :) so what do you want to call the root terminal :)
[06:59] <cryptomatt> how can i prevent it from trying to read a ext3
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, if you used sudo within 5 min then it acutally keeps your status as "sudo"
[06:59] <cryptomatt> i mean it just slows up my boot
[06:59] <lostmonk> nomasteryoda, how do i use that?
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> the checker?
[06:59] <ChrisC_> nomasteryoda: aha!  first prize!
[06:59] <cryptomatt> burber: ??
[06:59] <lostmonk> yeah
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[06:59] <CheatersRealm> what is ubuntu's package management system's name?
[07:00] <tuggy1> umm it should be called the sudo terminal
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> apt
[07:00] <bur[n] er_> CheatersRealm: synaptic?
[07:00] <adbak> CheatersRealm: apt
[07:00] <ChrisC_> nomasteryoda: is that configured somewhere?
[07:00] <CheatersRealm> aight, thx
[07:00] <tuggy1> but it is in full root use mode
[07:00] <adbak> CheatersRealm: APT - Advanced Package Management
[07:00] <cryptomatt> VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hda6.
[07:00] <cryptomatt> VFS: Can't find ext2 filesystem on dev hda6.
[07:00] <tuggy1> am I the only one here that has a root file manager?
[07:00] <cryptomatt> it tries ext3, then it tries ext2 then settles for reiserfs
[07:00] <cryptomatt> how can i make sure it just tries reiserfs upfront
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> the sudo timeout?
[07:01] <tuggy1> crypt, they talked about this on the forums
[07:01] <tuggy1> search there
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> lostmonk, just download and install the program on windows ...
[07:01] <CheatersRealm> adbak, I know what APT is, maybe not what it stands for, but over the past few years, I've learned the power of the google
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> then check the iso md5sum
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> with it
[07:01] <CheatersRealm> :)
[07:01] <cryptomatt> tuggy1: i will try that
[07:02] <bur[n] er_> cryptomatt: if you find out... enlighten me ;)
[07:02] <adbak> CheatersRealm: don't forget http://www.apt-get.org
[07:02] <ChrisC_> OK, next question, this one's a bit tougher and longer to ask ...
[07:02] <bur[n] er_> i'm curious as well
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er, about?
[07:02] <ChrisC_> I want to just test out the 3D performance of my new machine (my first one wiht any kind of 3D hardware) ...
[07:02] <bur[n] er_> nomasteryoda: about the ext3 vfs error on boot when using reiser
[07:02] <ChrisC_> I downloaded the doom3-demo but it won't run ...
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, what kind of card, memory, etc
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> nvidia is generally the best out there
[07:03] <tuggy1> chris have you tried glxgears
[07:03] <CheatersRealm> ChrisC_, can you run glxgears?
[07:03] <ChrisC_> I installed the nvidia drivers and it goes to X but then falls to a lower resolution version of my desktop with mouse frozen in upper left corner; Ctrl-Alt-Backspace recovers
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> i have 256mb and it runs well
[07:03] <tuggy1> to make sure you got 3d
[07:03] <cryptomatt> burner: i think it has to do with the boot image.. i think this particular boot image assumes a ext based FS.. settles for reiserfs eventually.. perhaps kernel will need to b recompiled?
[07:04] <ChrisC_> glxgears:  glad to, synaptic?
[07:04] <tuggy1> nope
[07:04] <tuggy1> just type it into a term
[07:04] <ChrisC_> running now!
[07:04] <CheatersRealm> what's it's fps?
[07:04] <tuggy1> how many fps?
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> if it bumped back to lower res, then nvidia is not running... you get a splashscreen for nvidia then the login
[07:04] <CheatersRealm> haha tuggy1
[07:04] <tuggy1> lol
[07:04] <ChrisC_> where does it display the fps
[07:04] <CheatersRealm> I think back in the terminal
[07:05] <tuggy1> in the term window
[07:05] <tuggy1> damn
[07:05] <nu-unxsaintaant_> hey
[07:05] <ChrisC_> oh, yeah ... 1300 fps
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, some of the screensavers are GL, so they can also display fps
[07:05] <ChrisC_> 2000
[07:05] <tuggy1> thats not bad
[07:05] <CheatersRealm> ok, does ubuntu have redhat-like config scripts for the services like apache?
[07:05] <ChrisC_> MSI FX5700LE
[07:05] <tuggy1> so 3d works for ya
[07:06] <tuggy1> umm what does doom 3 do when you run it?
[07:06] <ChrisC_> tuggy1: agreed :)
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, have you tried bzflag?
[07:06] <nu-unxsaint> anybody know anything about Synaptic's repositories?
[07:06] <bur[n] er_> CheatersRealm: rcconf ?
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> also 3d
[07:06] <bur[n] er_> nu-unxsaint: yes
[07:07] <ChrisC_> It goes to a graphical startup screen, but after a few seconds bails out to the hosed screen I described above
[07:07] <ChrisC_> lemmee try it again
[07:07] <CheatersRealm> bur[n] er_, ok, that's part of it, will I have to edit the config scripts manually if I want apache to run a certain way?
[07:07] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, make sure dvi and glx are in the XF86Config file
[07:07] <ChrisC_> oh wait, I can't, it'll kill this session ...
[07:07] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:07] <bur[n] er_> CheatersRealm: how do you want it to run?
[07:07] <CheatersRealm> three key smash!
[07:07] <bur[n] er_> /etc/apache/httpd.conf ?
[07:08] <ChrisC_> nomasteryoda: OK, I'll look ...
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, turn on the logging in xchat so you can save the sessions
[07:08] <CheatersRealm> bur[n] er_, right, so there's no systemwide configuration utilities? (i've used gentoo so I know how to do it, and I also have used fedora which does it all bascaily for you)
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> very handy sometimes
[07:08] <bur[n] er_> CheatersRealm: does what?
[07:08] <ChrisC_> nomasteryoda: I'm actually using Chatzilla, I'll evolve to a better IRC client some day :)
[07:09] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:09] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:09] <CheatersRealm> bur[n] er_, like, they help you set up the servcies, not just the runlevels, but they actually do the configs
[07:09] <nomasteryoda> xchat is on ubuntu warty disc
[07:09] <CheatersRealm> I don't have a 'thing' I want to do now, it's just I wanted to know if ubuntu rolled it's own config utils
[07:09] <bur[n] er_> rcconf is it
[07:10] <bur[n] er_> afaik
[07:10] <CheatersRealm> ok, thanks
[07:10] <tuggy1> cheat.. it has all the debian config utils i think
[07:10] <CheatersRealm> I've never used deb.
[07:10] <CheatersRealm> how much do they do?
[07:10] <nomasteryoda> CheatersRealm, you can also use webmin
[07:10] <tuggy1> umm they should do just about everything?
[07:10] <ChrisC_> my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file has a Load "glx" but nothing about dvi
[07:11] <nomasteryoda> CheatersRealm, there are many 1000s of packages for deb
[07:11] <CheatersRealm> ok, cool
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, oops ...
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> meant dri
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> type
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> o
[07:12] <ChrisC_> ok, yeah, that's in there
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> does it also have nvidia as the Device driver
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> in that file
[07:12] <ChrisC_> tell me where to look :)
[07:12] <tuggy1> hmm anyone know good programs to use for either edonkey or gnutella?
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> Section "Device"
[07:13] <ChrisC_> yes
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> sounds good then
[07:13] <ChrisC_> and the identifier matches
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> good
[07:13] <ChrisC_> OK, let me just try it and I'll be back
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> so looks ok from that aspect
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, look at
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> lsmod
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> oops
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> missed him
[07:14] <tuggy1> anyone use mldonkey?
[07:15] <kergan> nope just limewire
[07:15] <tuggy1> looks like its just what Im looking for
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> azerus here
[07:15] <ChrisC_> yeah, it died
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, lol
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> look at
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> lsmod
[07:15] <CheatersRealm> btdownloadcurses.py !
[07:15] <tuggy1> yeah I use azeruas
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> to see if nvidia driver modules are loaded
[07:15] <CheatersRealm> (that + screen)
[07:15] <tuggy1> mldonkey died?
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> CheatersRealm, lol
[07:16] <bur[n] er_> azureus even
[07:16] <ChrisC_> yep
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> azureus rocks
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> cool
[07:16] <CheatersRealm> nomasteryoda, actually, that's what I use, my college blocks bt, so I dl from home over ssh
[07:16] <bur[n] er_> good stuff... just slow... abc is supposedly making a 2.7.0 release for linux soon
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:16] <bur[n] er_> it's python based... so faster than azureus :)
[07:16] <bur[n] er_> college blocks bt?
[07:16] <bur[n] er_> how? you can use any port you want
[07:17] <CheatersRealm> bur[n] er_, packet shapers
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> ssh is the way to go
[07:17] <bur[n] er_> wow
[07:17] <bur[n] er_> impressive
[07:17] <CheatersRealm> yeah
[07:17] <CheatersRealm> well it doesn't stop us
[07:17] <ChrisC_> big sucker, too:  "nvidia   4821428  12"
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> sure it is
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> but it is the best video set out there
[07:18] <ChrisC_> Oh, no arguments ...
[07:18] <CheatersRealm> gnite
[07:18] <nomasteryoda> nite
[07:18] <CheatersRealm> if anyone wants a gmail invite
[07:18] <CheatersRealm> first 10 to ask me get them
[07:18] <CheatersRealm> just msg me
[07:18] <ChrisC_> so anyway, I start of the doom3-demo, it goes to a splash screen, then bails out to show what appears to be a 640x480 chunk of my desktop, non functional
[07:19] <trombie> are there drivers for the GForce 2 agp card >2yr old in ubuntu?
[07:19] <CheatersRealm> trombie, arn't they the same as the newest ones?
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, are the other modelines in your XF86Config file?
[07:19] <zenwhen> trombie, yeah
[07:19] <zenwhen> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:19] <trombie> i dunno
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> including that resolution?
[07:19] <zenwhen> trombie, theres no difference
[07:20] <zenwhen> You use the same instructions as people with brand new cards.
[07:20] <trombie> thinkin about tryin linux for awhile
[07:20] <ChrisC_> nomasteryoda: oh boy, I get to remember all that old Xconfig stuff again ...
[07:20] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> if you have the drivers then i would mostly guess the issue is with resolutions
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> i hate that part of x
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> is always problem
[07:22] <ChrisC_> OK, there are several modelines, one for each color depth, each with plenty of resolution options including 640x480
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> crud
[07:23] <ChrisC_> OK, so how about recommending another simple game that I can use just to see my 3D card do something :)
[07:24] <Blackwell> windows <duck>
[07:24] <ChrisC_> zing!
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> bzflag
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> is cool and worldwide play
[07:24] <adbak> any luck, lostmonk?
[07:24] <lostmonk> im reburning it again
[07:24] <calc> http://armagetron.sourceforge.net/
[07:24] <lostmonk> if this dont worjk
[07:25] <lostmonk> im throwing the damn system out the window
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> gltron is good way too
[07:25] <lostmonk> freakin BS
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:25] <calc> http://tuxracer.sourceforge.net/
[07:25] <lostmonk> ive gone thru 5 cd's
[07:25] <calc> those are a couple nice open gl games
[07:25] <lostmonk> its 130am
[07:25] <lostmonk> this is just ridiculous
[07:25] <bur[n] er_> bzflag is sweet
[07:25] <aeruder> tuxracer!
[07:25] <lostmonk> im going to linux to lose problems
[07:25] <Blackwell> lostmonk: you are? bwaahahaha
[07:25] <tuggy1> lol
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> lostmonk, once you get going ... it is very sweet
[07:26] <bur[n] er_> linux does not help against stupidity
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> like a whole new universe has opened up to you
[07:26] <lostmonk> yeah well, i cant take many ore headaches form this
[07:26] <bur[n] er_> oooh... ouch, sorry ;)
[07:26] <Blackwell> yeah, after you have solved all the problems it is very nice. (replace "it" with whatever gives you problems :)
[07:26] <lostmonk> stfu
[07:27] <bur[n] er_> just playin mate
[07:27] <lostmonk> bbiab
[07:29] <ChrisC_> trying to figure out bzflag ...
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> oh yea?
[07:30] <ChrisC_> is there a practice mode?  I assume if I join a server I will be ripped to pieces :)
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> just enter a username you want, then an email address .. bogus works
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> no
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> noobs are ok
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> try one of the ducati style ones
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> or spirals
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> is fun
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> tab for jump
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> right mouse for flag release
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> left to fire
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> you'll live
[07:31] <ChrisC_> OK, n00b question: how do I jump out of that app and back to my regular desktop?  Alt-Tab didn't do it ...
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> have to quit using esc
[07:31] <adbak> at the lower left of the screen, you'll see a button.  click it
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> then arrow down to quit
[07:32] <adbak> nm
[07:32] <ChrisC_> adbak: talking about being in a fullscreen game ...
[07:34] <nomasteryoda> so did it work ok
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> most fullscreen games are keyboard only to login/out
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, which server?
[07:37] <ChrisC_> OK, that was fun
[07:37] <ChrisC_> which server:  heck if I know :)
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> Spirals is cool
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> so your GL is working fine...
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> good
[07:39] <regeya> sorry
[07:41] <ChrisC_> back again ... see, it's the simple things in life (tuxracer)
[07:41] <ChrisC_> yeah, GL seems to work :)
[07:41] <ChrisC_> don't know what's up ID's butt
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> tuxracer is nice
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> yea... google lists some others with same issue
[07:42] <ChrisC_> synaptic is just too damn easy
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:42] <calc> ChrisC_: use dpkg then :)
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[07:43] <calc> dpkg --force-all is nice
[07:43] <nomasteryoda> try using suse's yast and synaptic together...hehe
[07:43] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[07:43] <calc> just ask daniels ;)
[07:43] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, make sure you don't
[07:43] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:45] <lostmonk> this is just dumb
[07:45] <lostmonk> 4 cd's, all freezing at different points
[07:45] <lostmonk> wtf?
[07:46] <ChrisC_> back again, this time dizzy from armageTRON
[07:46] <ChrisC_> wheeee!
[07:46] <ChrisC_> OK, it's a quarter to 2am, time to go
[07:47] <ChrisC_> Thanks nomasteryoda for your help, I'll probably be back tomorrow with more serious tasks :/
[07:47] <aeruder> or he'll still be up playing bzflag...
[07:48] <lostmonk> is there anyone here that truly knows this damn thing all the way thru?
[07:48] <bur[n] er> lostmonk: what thing?
[07:48] <lostmonk> this damn distro
[07:49] <bur[n] er> uhh..
[07:49] <lostmonk> everyon has such great things to say about it
[07:49] <lostmonk> but the damn thing wont work
[07:49] <TongMaster> heya, is there a way to use the live CD as a rescue CD? I"ve not been able to find it so far.....
[07:49] <lostmonk> or amybe the mirror i used has a bad iso?
[07:50] <regeya> hm...I'm guessing that the lovely bluecurbve for debian package on themes.freshmeat.net doesn't come with the kde style packaged...considering running alien on FC's package...
[07:50] <lostmonk> cuz i have burned thru 4 damn cds
[07:50] <regeya> lostmonk, you've lost me.  I'm running ubuntu right now.
[07:50] <bur[n] er> lostmonk: do an md5 sum?
[07:50] <bur[n] er> sure your download is good?
[07:50] <regeya> I've tried my best to break it, too, I really have.
[07:50] <lostmonk> its freezes at different points everytime
[07:50] <bur[n] er> do you burn .iso files the right way
[07:50] <lostmonk> on every cd
[07:50] <lostmonk> yeah
[07:51] <lostmonk> ive burnt them plenty
[07:51] <bur[n] er> md5sum it?
[07:51] <regeya> m eh
[07:51] <lostmonk> it did a verify and no issues
[07:51] <lostmonk> i downloaded a diff app to burn it just for a verify
[07:52] <Synek> hi
[07:52] <fjordlander> Hello all - pretty crowded here!
[07:52] <bur[n] er> lostmonk: i mean the download!!!
[07:52] <bur[n] er> not the burn
[07:52] <lostmonk> how do i md5 the dl?
[07:52] <bur[n] er> if the burn verifies fine... great, but if you're burning crap, who cares
[07:53] <bur[n] er> lostmonk: u in windows?
[07:53] <lostmonk> yeah
[07:53] <bur[n] er> get a lil program called "dsmd5"
[07:53] <bur[n] er> verify the md5sum with the sum posted on the ubuntu website
[07:54] <TongMaster> nevermind, brain in nuetral
[07:57] <lostmonk> i have no idea how to use this thing
[07:57] <bur[n] er> drag and drop the .iso onto the md5 program
[07:57] <lostmonk> okay
[07:57] <bur[n] er> it will calculate an md5 sum
[07:57] <bur[n] er> it's a way to verify a file downloaded is the same as the file on the server
[07:57] <lostmonk> nothing happened
[07:58] <lostmonk> where is the sum on the site?
[07:59] <lostmonk> got it
[08:00] <lostmonk> they match
[08:00] <lostmonk> now what?
[08:00] <lostmonk> ive never had an issue with a cd before now
[08:00] <lostmonk> and ive used 3 apps to burn the cd
[08:01] <bur[n] er> damn
[08:01] <bur[n] er> i was hoping they wouldn't ;)
[08:01] <bur[n] er> on that note... i have no idea
[08:01] <bur[n] er> shitty media?
[08:01] <bur[n] er> or maybe ubuntu doesn't like some of your hardware
[08:01] <bur[n] er> i dunno
[08:01] <lostmonk> i burned 1 copy at 2x
[08:01] <bur[n] er> i had no issues
[08:01] <lostmonk> so then what else can i try?
[08:01] <lostmonk> where can i find a different distro?
[08:01] <lostmonk> one that works already
[08:03] <NewComer> i'm having problems upgrading from warty to hoary, i get errors updating console-data
[08:14] <fjordlander> Ubuntu does not seem to like something on my P4.   Downloaded and burned and can install on a P3 but installer hangs just as it displays the prompt to select the language for install on my P4.  No keyboard response. Ideas?  Can't switch to another console to view output even when i set debug options for boot.
[08:15] <AcidPils> is your keyboard broken?
[08:15] <AcidPils> ;)
[08:21] <aeruder> fjordlander: usb keyboard?
[08:34] <nomasteryoda> distrowatch
[08:40] <RuffianSoldier> nomasteryoda ??
[08:40] <RuffianSoldier> what about?
[09:09] <fjordlander> ps2 keyboard not broken
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> NEWS FLASH! PS/2 KEYBOARD NOT BROKEN!
[09:09] <fjordlander> And Thats Not All!!!!!
[09:10] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[09:10] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[09:10] <fjordlander> For $2 more you can have a mouse not broken too!!!
[09:10] <craz_out> hrm, i'm installing ubuntu on a mates computer, and it keeps freezing on "load hotplug system" or something like that..
[09:10] <craz_out> anyone know what's up with that?
[09:10] <lostmonk> hehe
[09:11] <lostmonk> i just had it freeze on me in 4 spots, with 4 different burns of the cd
[09:11] <craz_out> i can't seem to get around it...  recovery mode still does it, and init=/bin/sh doen't work cause it's a usb kb
[09:12] <lostmonk> im moving on
[09:12] <lostmonk> seems i just cant install it myself
[09:12] <fjordlander> Hmm... I am freezing with a ps2 keyboard on a P4 Mobo with radeon card at choose language for installer stage
[09:14] <Zotnix> crazney, have you looked at dmesg?
[09:15] <craz_out> Zotnix, nah
[09:15] <craz_out> Zotnix, can i login at that stage?
[09:16] <Zotnix> Well, you can look at it once you log in.
[09:16] <fjordlander> I have set installer to full debugging but since it freezes at the the point it has just initiated framebuffer, I can't see debugging data
[09:16] <craz_out> but it's freezing during init..
[09:17] <Zotnix> Ah, ew
[09:17] <fjordlander> Installs fine on a P3.  Also I know stock debian will install without this issue
[09:18] <craz_laptop> over here now
[09:21] <Zotnix> craz_laptop, so you can
[09:21] <Zotnix> ack
[09:21] <Zotnix> so you can't boot up at all?
[09:21] <craz_laptop> well it freezes on 'starting hotplug subsystem'
[09:21] <craz_laptop> i can't swithc virtual terminals
[09:21] <craz_laptop> at that stage
[09:22] <Zotnix> Does it time out or it never goes on?
[09:22] <craz_laptop> never goes on, it seems
[09:22] <RuffianSoldier> ha
[09:24] <craz_laptop> Zotnix, any idea how to get around it?
[09:28] <Zotnix> craz_laptop, did some googling. Not really sure.
[09:28] <craz_laptop> hrm, just tried some random boot cd my mate had lying around, it froze on the hotplug stuff too
[09:28] <sid77> hi
[09:28] <Zotnix> What kind of hardware do you have on there?
[09:29] <craz_laptop> Zotnix, hrm, xp3000+, usb kb/mouse.. standard other stuff
[09:29] <Zotnix> Which live CD do you have burned?
[09:29] <adnans> hmm, Xorg feels a lot slower after the recent updates :/
[09:30] <craz_laptop> slax i think
[09:30] <craz_laptop> and it's a shuttle pc
[09:30] <Zotnix> I meant the Ubuntu
[09:30] <Zotnix> warty-i386.iso ?
[09:30] <craz_laptop> oh
[09:30] <Zotnix> Or something like that?
[09:30] <craz_laptop> 4.10
[09:31] <craz_laptop> i can't find a hoary cd, is that right?
[09:31] <Zotnix>  warty-release-install-i386.iso
[09:31] <Zotnix> Did you get that one?
[09:31] <craz_laptop> he thinks so
[09:32] <Aoi> I have 3 lan cards, eth0 eth1 (network) are sis and eth2 (internet) via. I had setup only eth2, how can I bring up eth0 and eth1? (I would like to setup a gateway using firestarter and I failed ifconfig)
[09:32] <Zotnix> Which is a 64 bit processor... I THINK (if it doesn't work don't kill me) you need to get the amd64 release
[09:32] <craz_laptop> nah, it's not a 64bit cpu
[09:32] <craz_laptop> ahha!
[09:33] <craz_laptop> usb keyboard it was
[09:33] <Zotnix> Oh
[09:33] <Zotnix> Odd.
[09:33] <Zotnix> XP3000 isn't 64 bit?
[09:33] <craz_laptop> nah
[09:33] <Zotnix> Damn... I was off
[09:33] <Zotnix> What kind of keyboard?
[09:33] <craz_laptop> usb keyboard.. laptop layout..
[09:33] <craz_laptop> it says inki 1 on it
[09:34] <craz_laptop> 89 keys
[09:34] <Zotnix> Never heard of it.
[09:35] <craz_laptop> yeah either
[09:35] <craz_laptop> once i finalise the setup nstuff i can get a dmesg output for you, if you like.
[09:36] <craz_laptop> hrm, ok another problem.. nforce 2 network drivers, they don't ship do they?
[09:38] <RuffianSoldier> hey adnans
[09:38] <adnans> hi
[09:39] <RuffianSoldier> I am contemplating getting hot-chocolate
[09:39] <RuffianSoldier> should I?
[09:39] <adnans> hot grits, better
[09:39] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[09:39] <RuffianSoldier> I wish
[09:39] <housetier> RuffianSoldier go get it and bring some
[09:39] <RuffianSoldier> now I want Waffle house
[09:39] <RuffianSoldier> ill dcc you some
[09:39] <housetier> :)
[09:40] <Zotnix> modprobe forcedeth     can try that
[09:41] <loz> My alsa sound doesn't work.  Where do I start trying to get that working.  I know it worked under alsa in gentoo, so why is it claiming no cards found?
[09:41] <alka_trash> oh damn, I usually don't like Walmart but, http://media.linspire.com/howto/walmart.swf
[09:42] <alka_trash> and this sounds pretty good too, http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/28447/index.html
[09:43] <Zindar> morning
[09:43] <aeruder> bah, that's crud
[09:43] <aeruder> you can spend a little bit more and get a much better machine from the same place (walmart)
[09:43] <alka_trash> have you seen the flash though
[09:44] <alka_trash> it's killing me, penguin all over the place
[09:47] <alka_trash> Linspire is like a commercial version of Ubuntu with KDE, I like how there logo are these cheesy people running, it's like bottle of vitamins
[09:48] <alka_trash> it's always funny on how they rename sh!t to there own too
[09:50] <alka_trash> I bet some kid is going to get this for Christmas and feel like I felt back in 83' when I got a intelevision instead of a Atari 2600.
[10:01] <bassinboy> someone here makes the theme xfce-dusk  ... who is it?
[10:03] <bassinboy> ChibiFs?
[10:21] <remi> remi
[10:23] <blipper> Hello.. anybody got any ideas about a Mentor/Mercury serial modem with conexant chipset compatibility with Ubuntu?
[10:25] <remi> Si quelqu'un parle francais : A l'installation de Ubuntu, on ne m'a pas demande de mot de passe pour root Comment le defini maintenant ?
[10:25] <ctd> remi: #ubuntu-fr ;)
[10:25] <remi> merci
[10:32] <rnwolf> I am trying to setup zope/plone on my new ubuntu setup. Can anyone help?
[10:35] <xskoulax> morning
[10:36] <zenlunatic> does ubuntu powerpc have wireless support?
[10:39] <xskoulax> zenlunatic, i think it has support for the airport cards but not airport extreme
[10:39] <xskoulax> and i would imagine it supports pcmcia cards that it supports under x86
[10:39] <xskoulax> but don't quote me on that ;)
[10:40] <zenlunatic> cool i think i found a good distro
[10:41] <xskoulax> can't speak about it on ppc hardware yet
[10:41] <xskoulax> at least until i steal my brothers new iBook on xmas day ;p
[10:41] <zenlunatic> yeah well debian requires the 3rd iso for wireless-tools
[10:42] <xskoulax> but its been on my viao laptop for 2+ months now
[10:42] <xskoulax> which is the longest a linux distro has stayed on here
[10:42] <martin_> these faqs are frustrating
[10:42] <martin_> GOD
[10:42] <martin_> they dont explain anything
[10:42] <xskoulax> zenlunatic, it will be easier to install with a wired net hookup
[10:42] <xskoulax> but i did install with out
[10:43] <martin_> people how do i switch to console mode from like uhm animated mode?
[10:43] <martin_> like using commands
[10:43] <martin_> and not your cursor and such things.. . .
[10:43] <xskoulax> today is my first time back on #ubuntu since like the end of october i think, so i'm a little out of the loop
[10:44] <xskoulax> but the box has been running smooth in the intervening period, updates have worked good
[10:44] <xskoulax> i did manage to somehow lose my wep key week and a half ago though
[10:44] <xskoulax> but i'm certain that was me
[10:44] <martin_> xskoulax: can yo usee this?
[10:44] <xskoulax> yea
[10:45] <martin_> oh i thought people cant see my messages
[10:45] <xskoulax> sup martin_
[10:45] <martin_> everyone seems to ignore me for some reason
[10:45] <martin_> *sigh*
[10:45] <martin_> could you help me out a lil?
[10:45] <xskoulax> i'll try
[10:45] <xskoulax> but i'ma n00b
[10:45] <xskoulax> i might know what you need though
[10:45] <martin_> do you know how to switch to console mode?
[10:45] <martin_> you know, like windows has dos
[10:46] <martin_> this has some other thing
[10:46] <xskoulax> you can click on applications > system tools > terminal
[10:46] <xskoulax> that would bring up a "dos box"
[10:46] <xskoulax> in windows terms
[10:46] <martin_> cool
[10:46] <martin_> and i can use that to do whatever i like?
[10:46] <martin_> i mean, it has effect?
[10:48] <xskoulax> ctrl+alt+f1-f6 will also bring up command line and you would use ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to the Graphical interface
[10:48] <xskoulax> well martin_ you can do anything a normal user can
[10:48] <xskoulax> to do root stuff in ubuntu you use sudo
[10:49] <martin_> what is root stuff?
[10:49] <xskoulax> more detail on sudo is where i would be starting to get out of my depth
[10:49] <xskoulax> root is the admin account on linux
[10:49] <martin_> ok, and sudo?
[10:49] <xskoulax> sudo is a way of accessing root account commands from your account
[10:50] <martin_> alright... umm
[10:50] <xskoulax> most linux's force you to have a root and a normal account
[10:50] <martin_> whats the best way to learn about this system?
[10:50] <martin_> this is my first tiem with linux... took me an entire day just to install it.. i had lots of weird problems
[10:50] <martin_> playing with the terminal?
[10:51] <xskoulax> martin_, stick with it; when you get things working you get a nice warm fuzzy feeling ;)
[10:51] <martin_> yeah im sticking with it, i like this much more than windows
[10:51] <xskoulax> terminal would be the dos equilivent
[10:52] <xskoulax> www.linuxquestions.org is a good forum for general linux stuff i've found
[10:52] <martin_> skoul
[10:52] <martin_> ah cool
[10:52] <martin_> say, how do i get windows to boot whenever i like and ubuntu to boot whenever i like without windows taking over?
[10:52] <massi> ciao!
[10:53] <xskoulax> martin_, you need to install windows before installing ubuntu
[10:53] <massi> hi ^^
[10:53] <martin_> i thoght so
[10:53] <xskoulax> otherwise it will overwrite the area ubuntu needs to boot
[10:53] <martin_> hi massi :)
[10:53] <martin_> man
[10:53] <martin_> windows is a bitch
[10:53] <xskoulax> ubuntu and linux in general isn't as arrogant :p
[10:54] <martin_> so tell me please, how do i set things?
[10:54] <xskoulax> set things?
[10:54] <martin_> i mean
[10:54] <martin_> lets say i format
[10:54] <martin_> and install windows... and then i go and install ubuntu
[10:55] <martin_> then i can decide how to devide the partitions?
[10:55] <martin_> without ruining the windows installation?
[10:55] <massi> well..i'm trying to use a picodisk (usb mass storage)..i've done mount /dev/sda .. but into /dev/ i haven't /sda .. what can i do ?_?
[10:55] <martin_> sorry massi thats like chinese to me :/
[10:55] <martin_> i still havent figured out how to listen to music -_-
[10:56] <massi> martin_, ^_^ understood
[10:56] <xskoulax> martin_, the best solution if you can is to use another computer for learning linux that way you can't hose you windows install
[10:56] <xskoulax> if thats not possiable i'd prefer to use 2 seperate harddrives to keep things seperated
[10:56] <martin_> skoulax, dont have another computer :/
[10:57] <xskoulax> thought that might be the case
[10:57] <martin_> thats a pretty good idea.. i wonder where i could get another hard drive though, im short on cash
[10:57] <ctd> Unless it's essential, usually the best way is to just go straight linux and boot off windows.
[10:58] <ctd> That way you force yourself to learn.
[10:58] <xskoulax> there is less risk of messing up important work with stuff on seperate hard drives
[10:58] <xskoulax> ctd has a very good point
[10:58] <martin_> yes, ctd does ^^
[10:58] <xskoulax> i guess it depends on what you need your computer for
[10:58] <martin_> well finally i found some people who answer my questions
[10:58] <martin_> i was getting really frustrated
[10:59] <xskoulax> if your are a gamer going pure linux could get frustrating fast
[10:59] <martin_> oh... cause i am
[10:59] <martin_> although i havent been gaming in the past week at all
[10:59] <xskoulax> but if you need a stable computer for email word processing and internet you really can't go wrong with linux
[10:59] <martin_> i could stop quake3ing for a while i suppose :)
[10:59] <xskoulax> quake3 works on linux
[10:59] <xskoulax> \o/
[10:59] <martin_> cooooooooooooooooool
[11:00] <martin_> how can i get it up and running?
[11:00] <martin_> i dont understand jack shit about all these packages
[11:00] <xskoulax> i've got it working on the slackware install i did for my brother waaaay back
[11:00] <martin_> i dont even know what a package is
[11:00] <xskoulax> package is like a zipped program kinda
[11:01] <xskoulax> except in ubuntu and indeed other debian distributions you have a nice program called apt-get
[11:01] <xskoulax> it downloads the program and anything else it needs to run
[11:01] <xskoulax> and will install it too
[11:01] <martin_> where can i get it?
[11:02] <xskoulax> it?
[11:02] <martin_> the apt get
[11:02] <xskoulax> its installed on ubuntu by default
[11:02] <martin_> oh o_o
[11:02] <martin_> how do i run it then
[11:02] <subterrific> martin_: use synaptic, it is a gui front-end for apt-get
[11:02] <martin_> ?
[11:02] <xskoulax> yea
[11:02] <xskoulax> sub has a point there
[11:03] <xskoulax> i use synaptic too
[11:03] <xskoulax> great program
[11:03] <martin_> is it included in ubuntu also?
[11:03] <xskoulax> yea
[11:03] <martin_> whats a front end btw
[11:03] <martin_> like a skin?
[11:03] <xskoulax> kinda
[11:03] <xskoulax> apt-get is like a dos command
[11:03] <martin_> ok.. how do i run it then?
[11:03] <martin_> oh i see
[11:03] <martin_> and front end is the graphic version
[11:04] <xskoulax> yea
[11:04] <subterrific> martin_: Computer->System Configuration->Synaptic
[11:04] <martin_> cool :)
[11:04] <subterrific> those menus should be at the top of your screen
[11:04] <xskoulax> martin_,  you have ubuntu running now?
[11:04] <martin_> yes
[11:04] <xskoulax> or you here on a windows install
[11:04] <martin_> its the only things installed
[11:04] <xskoulax> ahhhh
[11:04] <xskoulax> ok then so you already have have the battle done ;)
[11:04] <martin_> i dont really wanna install windows to be honest
[11:04] <martin_> :
[11:04] <martin_> )
[11:05] <martin_> man installing ubuntu was frustrating
[11:05] <martin_> it took me more than a day
[11:05] <subterrific> martin_: just hang around irc, ask questions, you'll be pro in no time
[11:05] <martin_> my cd burner didnt work, my HD was connected wrong and lots of shit
[11:05] <xskoulax> martin_, don't worry about it its like learning a new language
[11:05] <martin_> cool sub
[11:05] <xskoulax> you only get profecient by using it
[11:06] <martin_> yeah xsouklax, only thing i need is a way to learn it
[11:06] <martin_> but #ubuntu pretty much serves that need :)
[11:06] <xskoulax> its a good place to start
[11:07] <xskoulax> www.ubuntuforums.org is the english language forum for ubuntu
[11:07] <martin_> cool thanks
[11:07] <subterrific> and don't forget google
[11:07] <xskoulax> and it looks like they have a guide that i didn't know about http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:07] <subterrific> google knows all
[11:07] <martin_> google is godlike :)
[11:08] <xskoulax> google > *
[11:08] <martin_> true, true.
[11:08] <martin_> ok im gonna try to use synaptic
[11:08] <martin_> brb
[11:09] <martin_> wow
[11:09] <martin_> i have like a million packages
[11:10] <xskoulax> yea there are all kinds of programs
[11:11] <martin_> all these programs are installed?
[11:11] <xskoulax> and that would just be with the default repositories
[11:11] <martin_> seems so. i thought i didnt have anything
[11:11] <xskoulax> no not all of them
[11:11] <martin_> oh, i have them though?
[11:11] <xskoulax> those are the programs you can get from the default repos.
[11:12] <martin_> repos = ?
[11:12] <xskoulax> its like a laundry list of the programs those repos. know about
[11:12] <xskoulax> repositiories
[11:12] <Agrajag> repositories
[11:12] <martin_> and repositories are?
[11:12] <martin_> hehe
[11:12] <Agrajag> a place to get software
[11:12] <martin_> oh ok
[11:13] <martin_> xskoulax, which program do i need for quake 3 to run?
[11:13] <martin_> oh, wait , before that - how can i get bittorrent to run?
[11:13] <Agrajag> you need to download the installer from id's website.
[11:13] <xskoulax> well you would need to get 3d drivers installed first
[11:13] <karlos> hello everyone...i'm having a headache with "jack"..does anyone know anything about "jack"
[11:13] <karlos> ?
[11:13] <xskoulax> karlos, i don't know jack ;P
[11:13] <pw> groan
[11:13] <Agrajag> for bittorrent: sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[11:13] <karlos> i'm trying to run ardour
[11:14] <martin_> agrajag, could you be more newbie-friendly and specific please? :)
[11:14] <karlos> it's to do with sound
[11:14] <Agrajag> martin_: open a terminal
[11:14] <Agrajag> run that command I gave after the colon
[11:14] <martin_> alright brb
[11:14] <xskoulax> applications > system tools > terminal
[11:14] <Agrajag> close synaptic first.
[11:15] <Agrajag> ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake3/linux/linuxq3apoint-1.32b-3.x86.run <<< quake3 for linux
[11:15] <Agrajag> all you need if that and the quake3 cd
[11:15] <xskoulax> well and 3d drivers for your graphics card :p
[11:15] <RuffianSoldier> hey beyond - do you like soup?
[11:16] <martin_> agrajag it says unable to lock the administration directory
[11:16] <martin_> is another process using it?
[11:16] <martin_> something liek that
[11:16] <Agrajag> martin_: I said to close synaptic first.
[11:16] <martin_> oh oops :)
[11:16] <martin_> agrajag, if i press ctrl+alt+f1 its like terminal right?
[11:17] <beyond> RuffianSoldier, what are you talking about ?
[11:17] <Agrajag> well yes, but it's usually better to just run a terminal in X
[11:17] <xskoulax> applications > system tools > terminal
[11:17] <martin_> alright
[11:17] <RuffianSoldier> beyond - do you know what soup is?
[11:17] <Agrajag> yeah
[11:17] <beyond> RuffianSoldier, no I don't
[11:17] <RuffianSoldier> YOU SHOULD TRY IT!
[11:17] <RuffianSoldier> google soup
[11:17] <martin_>  sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[11:17] <martin_> er
[11:18] <martin_> e: couldnt find package
[11:18] <beyond> ok...I'll take a look
[11:18] <xskoulax> Agrajag, martin_ is on a new install
[11:18] <xskoulax> might he need repos for that
[11:18] <Agrajag> aw crap, that stuff's in universe?
[11:18] <martin_> yes.. my first time using linux in general
[11:18] <Agrajag> martin_: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:18] <Agrajag> er
[11:19] <Agrajag> actually
[11:19] <Agrajag> martin_: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:19] <xskoulax> Agrajag, you can prolly guide him better than me
[11:19] <Agrajag> gedit should be easier to use
[11:19] <Agrajag> there should be instruction in that file on enabling "universe"
[11:19] <martin_> alright.. whats universe?
[11:20] <xskoulax> martin_, if you type alt+f2 you can get a run box
[11:20] <Agrajag> it's a set of package sthat are not in the standard ubuntu distribution
[11:20] <xskoulax> you can paste that command there if you need
[11:20] <xskoulax> to open gedit on that file
[11:20] <martin_> oh coooooool
[11:21] <martin_> finally im learning how to do something :)
[11:21] <xskoulax> \o/
[11:21] <martin_> so the sudo gedit stuff is actually connecting to some server and downlaoding things from it?
[11:21] <Agrajag> huh
[11:21] <Agrajag> no
[11:21] <xskoulax> no
[11:21] <martin_> oh.
[11:21] <xskoulax> gedit is like notepad
[11:22] <Agrajag> it's editing a text file on your computer
[11:22] <martin_> oh lol
[11:22] <martin_> why would i want to do that then?
[11:22] <martin_> right now i mean, concidering i want to downlaod bittornado
[11:22] <Agrajag> to enable the universe repository.
[11:22] <martin_> oh ok, ill read it then
[11:22] <martin_> brb
[11:22] <Agrajag> You ned to tell apt that you want to use software from anothe repository
[11:22] <xskoulax> sudo is saying i want to run this command as the admin, gedit is the program you want to run, and /etc/apt/sources.list is the path to the file
[11:23] <martin_> Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network?
[11:23] <Agrajag> yes
[11:23] <martin_> what is uncommenting
[11:23] <Agrajag> remove the #
[11:23] <xskoulax> yea that means remove the # from infront of the lines
[11:23] <lifeless> xskoulax: aptitude can uncomment lines for you
[11:23] <martin_> from all of the lines in that text file?
[11:23] <xskoulax> no
[11:23] <Agrajag> no
[11:23] <xskoulax> not all
[11:23] <Agrajag> just those two
[11:23] <martin_> the 2 first ones?
[11:23] <Agrajag> no
[11:23] <Agrajag> the two following that statement.
[11:24] <xskoulax> ## leave alone # remove
[11:24] <martin_> Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[11:24] <martin_> those i do not touch?
[11:24] <Agrajag> yes
[11:24] <martin_> bah.
[11:24] <Agrajag> ERGH
[11:24] <martin_> look :
[11:24] <Agrajag> yes
[11:24] <xskoulax> #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[11:24] <martin_> the first ## is : Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[11:24] <xskoulax> becomes deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[11:24] <martin_> the second ## is: Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[11:24] <Agrajag> you see the two lines, right after that one that sayas "the next two lines"?
[11:25] <Agrajag> those two
[11:25] <martin_> the universe lines?
[11:25] <Agrajag> they have a URL in them, and at the very end they say "universe"
[11:25] <Agrajag> remove the # from the front of those lines
[11:25] <martin_> and i leave the the 'fetch software from the network' alone?
[11:25] <Agrajag> yes
[11:25] <xskoulax> martin_, it might help to maximize the editor
[11:25] <martin_> yeah, ive maximized it :)
[11:25] <xskoulax> so wordwrap isn't confusing the issue
[11:26] <martin_> ok ive removed the comments
[11:26] <Agrajag> ok
[11:26] <martin_> saved and closed
[11:26] <Agrajag> save the file
[11:26] <Agrajag> ok
[11:26] <Agrajag> now
[11:27] <Agrajag> back to the terminal
[11:27] <martin_> ok
[11:27] <Agrajag> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[11:27] <Agrajag> runt hat line
[11:27] <martin_> 44% waiting for headers.
[11:27] <martin_> cool, working
[11:27] <xskoulax> yea
[11:28] <martin_> 184kb/sec, sweet
[11:28] <xskoulax> that line is actually 2 commands
[11:28] <martin_> yeah i understood that && means "and"
[11:28] <xskoulax> yea
[11:28] <martin_> and & does nothing?
[11:28] <xskoulax> Agrajag, ?
[11:28] <Agrajag> && means that when the first command completes successfully, run the second.
[11:29] <Agrajag> If the first command fail, do not run the second.
[11:29] <Agrajag> filas
[11:29] <Agrajag> FAILS
[11:29] <martin_> Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[11:29] <martin_> bah?
[11:29] <xskoulax> & does nothing correct
[11:29] <Agrajag> man my fingers must be retarded
[11:29] <martin_> er i need to rewrite the error it gave me
[11:29] <Agrajag> xskoulax: yes it does
[11:29] <martin_> hold on this might take some time.
[11:29] <Agrajag> & by itself runs a command in the background, rather than the foreground
[11:29] <xskoulax> ok koo thats what i thought
[11:30] <martin_> some packages could not be isntalled. this may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are usding the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of incoming.
[11:30] <Agrajag> that's... odd.
[11:30] <Agrajag> back in a moment.
[11:31] <martin_> theres another thing, sec
[11:31] <xskoulax> martin_, i'm guessin he's checking something
[11:31] <martin_> since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against taht package should be filed. the following information may helpo to solve the situtation:
[11:31] <martin_> xskoulax, alright. btw, how do you type my name? you actually type it, or is there a hotkey or something
[11:32] <xskoulax> i type mar then hit the tab key and it finishes it for me :D
[11:32] <xskoulax> you could use xs tab for me
[11:32] <xskoulax> i would imagine
[11:32] <martin_> the following packages have unmet dependencies: bittornado-gui:depends:libwxgtk2.4-python but it is not going to be installed
[11:32] <martin_> oh cool
[11:33] <martin_> i didnt know you could do that here
[11:33] <xskoulax> that means bittornado needs a python libary
[11:33] <xskoulax> which would be a dll in windows
[11:33] <xskoulax> at least thats my understanding
[11:33] <martin_> i dont even know what ddl files are for
[11:34] <martin_> is there a hotkey to maximize/minimized windows?
[11:34] <xskoulax> dlls are like small chunks of program that can be use by lots of programs
[11:34] <xskoulax> but if you are missing the dll your program is like wait a second i have a peice missing
[11:35] <xskoulax> and crashes :D
[11:35] <xskoulax> alt+f5 alt+f9 its seems
[11:35] <martin_>   oh ok :)
[11:35] <Agrajag> figure it out yet martin_ ?
[11:36] <xskoulax> i'm guessing you're using xchat for irc, if you click on the X icon it will show the short cuts on the menu
[11:36] <martin_> Agrajag, nope
 the following packages have unmet dependencies: bittornado-gui:depends:libwxgtk2.4-python but it is not going to be installed
[11:36] <martin_> xskoulax, yes i am
[11:36] <zenkov> hm :-(
[11:36] <martin_> xskoulax, which x icon, top left?
[11:37] <xskoulax> yea
[11:37] <xskoulax> sorry i meant the program icon not close :p
[11:37] <martin_> xskoulax, i didnt close :)
[11:38] <xskoulax> i know, but that was poor guiding on my part :)
[11:38] <zenkov> My problem is that I dont have a /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd entry. In /dev I have entries for my disks, for my audio devices, for my input devices and also for my floppy device but no entry for my cdroms. How i can fix it?
[11:38] <martin_> how come alt+f8 doesnt do anything?
[11:38] <martin_> it should resize
[11:39] <xskoulax> dunno
[11:39] <xskoulax> i,ve never used those short cuts before
[11:40] <xskoulax> you have to click near the edge i think with that
[11:40] <martin_> oh, its done with the arrows
[11:40] <alexissoft> hi
[11:40] <martin_> with the keyboard arrows
[11:40] <xskoulax> oh yea
[11:40] <xskoulax> yea just tried it
[11:41] <martin_> hello alexissoft
[11:41] <xskoulax> see martin_ you just taught me something
[11:41] <zenkov> :-(
[11:41] <martin_> yes xskoulax ^^
[11:41] <xskoulax> zdrasti zenkov
[11:41] <martin_> google > #ubuntu > *
[11:41] <zenkov> xskoulax: hi
[11:41] <xskoulax> thats as far as my russian extends but least i could do was say hi
[11:42] <martin_> i know a few russian words. kak dila?
[11:42] <zenkov> :-)
[11:42] <xskoulax> i know that one t00
[11:42] <martin_> :)
[11:42] <xskoulax> zhopa
[11:42] <xskoulax> :D
[11:42] <martin_> where did Agrajag go?
[11:42] <xskoulax> ammm
[11:42] <xskoulax> nore sure
[11:42] <xskoulax> not*
[11:42] <martin_> xskoulax, maybe you could help me?
[11:43] <xskoulax> i know what the problem is but i don't know how to fix it :/
[11:43] <Agrajag> I'm here
[11:44] <martin_> yo Agrajag
[11:44] <Agrajag> what is the problem?
[11:44] <xskoulax> Agrajag did you see this <martin_> the following packages have unmet dependencies: bittornado-gui:depends:libwxgtk2.4-python but it is not going to be installed
[11:44] <Agrajag> hm
[11:45] <xskoulax> zenkov, i think you would have to add the stuff for your cdroms manually
[11:45] <Agrajag> what about: sudo apt-get install libwxgtk2.4-python
[11:45] <xskoulax> nm i misread that
[11:45] <Agrajag> then: sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[11:45] <martin_> working on it..
[11:46] <xskoulax> its not seeing the actual devices, are they burners zenkov
[11:46] <martin_> Agrajag, i ran it through f2 but it didnt do anything
[11:46] <martin_> oh i didnt click run in terminal :)
[11:46] <Agrajag> uh
[11:46] <Agrajag> just keep a terminal open dude
[11:47] <martin_> oh ok
[11:47] <Agrajag> makes things a lot easier
[11:47] <martin_> well it finished both things
[11:47] <Agrajag> ok
[11:47] <Agrajag> what happens when you run btdownloadgui from a terminal
[11:47] <martin_> lets find out
[11:47] <martin_> command could not be found
[11:47] <xskoulax> btdownloadgui or btdownload-gui
[11:47] <xskoulax> ?
[11:48] <martin_> same
[11:48] <Agrajag> it's btdownloadgui
[11:48] <Agrajag> so wait, you said "it finished both things"
[11:48] <Agrajag> what do you mean?
[11:48] <martin_> well i ran those 2 commands from f2
[11:48] <Agrajag> ok
[11:48] <martin_> so all i saw is "done" and it closed
[11:49] <Agrajag> run it in a temrinal
[11:49] <martin_> ok sec
[11:49] <Agrajag> open a terminal, keep it open
[11:49] <martin_> ok
[11:49] <Agrajag> the alt-f2 run thingy is best used for starting GUI programs
[11:49] <xskoulax> applications > system tools > terminal if you forgot where it is
[11:50] <martin_> Agrajag, after running sudo apt-get install libwxgtk2.4-python it gave me the same error
[11:50] <martin_> as the first time
[11:50] <martin_> xskoulax, didnt forget, thx though
[11:51] <Agrajag> ok, something is seriously messed up
[11:51] <xskoulax> yea i think so, i just grabbed it from universe fine
[11:51] <martin_> -_-
[11:51] <xskoulax> mmmm
[11:52] <zenkov> xskoulax: but why don't work udev/rules.d/udev.rules and udev/cdsymlinks.sh?
[11:53] <xskoulax> zenkov, are you talking to me in russian :P, I'm pretty much a n00b
[11:54] <martin_> xskoulax, he's asking you why those files or whatever dont work
[11:54] <xskoulax> i just know that burners are treated like scsi devices oftern
[11:54] <xskoulax> martin_, i realised what he was asking, its over my head though :D
[11:54] <martin_> :)
[11:55] <martin_> bah.. so synaptic doesnt work at all on my comp?
[11:56] <xskoulax> martin_, it prolly works
[11:56] <martin_> xskoulax, how do i change password?
[11:56] <martin_> user password, that is
[11:56] <Agrajag> try another package maybe?
[11:56] <Agrajag> martin_: passwd
[11:56] <Agrajag> run that in a terminal
[11:56] <martin_> alright
[11:56] <Auzy> hey all
[11:56] <martin_> ok cool
[11:57] <martin_> hi Auzy
[11:57] <Agrajag> well, I hope you figure out your apt problem, but as it's about 3 am I'm going to sleep
[11:57] <martin_> Agrajag, what other package?
[11:57] <Agrajag> dunno
[11:57] <Agrajag> um
[11:57] <Auzy> I'm just curious if anyones been working on trying to get enlightenment 17 working in ubantu?
[11:57] <martin_> Agrajag, alright, thanks for the help and good night :)
[11:58] <xskoulax> Agrajag, u in west coast us/
[11:58] <xskoulax> ?
[11:58] <Agrajag> yes
[11:58] <xskoulax> ok denver here
[11:58] <xskoulax> :D
[11:59] <xskoulax> gn Agrajag, i'll see if i can help him out
[11:59] <Agrajag> night all
[11:59] <martin_> night
[12:00] <martin_> xskoulax, how do i add a timer to the chat?
[12:00] <martin_> next to each one's nickname
[12:00] <martin_> to know what time the message was sent
[12:00] <Auzy> hmm.. i guess thats a no?? cause I really need the e17 libs for the thing I'm making :(
[12:01] <xskoulax> martin_, settings > prefs
[12:01] <xskoulax> there is an option to time stamp text
[12:02] <martin_> well xskoulax do you have any idea about what my problem might be?
[12:08] <tuxJr_14> hi
[12:34] <demon666_nl> hi
[12:35] <tuxJr_14> hi decklin
[12:35] <tuxJr_14> hi demon666_nl
[12:35] <decklin> hi tuxJr_14 :)
[12:35] <demon666_nl> Will there be a network install for ubuntu ? (I know I can do this with debian and after that upgrade to ubuntu but a friend of mine wants an easy way to install ubuntu and he hasn't got a cd-rom drive)
[12:36] <tuxJr_14> hi decklin
[12:36] <demon666_nl> hi tuxJr_14 :)
[12:36] <tuxJr_14> hi demon666_nl
[12:41] <demon666_nl> Will there be a network install for ubuntu ?
[12:41] <siretart> demon666_nl: I already installed warty via network
[12:43] <opi> demon666_nl: You can run it in ,,custom'' mode, install base and apt-get rest
[12:44] <jordi> siretart: he means a tiny CD image.
[12:46] <Pozac> I thought there was a tiny CD image.
[12:47] <etorix> ok im trying to figger out the debian-installer hd numbering
[12:47] <etorix> i want to install to hda3
[12:48] <etorix> hda1 exists , hda2 is a extended, does that mean #2 in the installer is tho correct?
[12:48] <etorix> the*
[12:53] <|Snegec|> I'm trying to figure that out too..
[12:59] <remi> remi
[01:01] <siretart> jordi: I dont find it right now, but I used to have a tiny cd netinst image (about 4mb iso image) for warty
[01:02] <demon666_nl> I meant installing without a CD
[01:02] <demon666_nl> I mean a floppy image
[01:03] <|Snegec|> how exactly do you set up a dsl connection once ubuntu is installed?
[01:16] <pisuke> hi. anyone knows if ubuntu cvs binary has http proxy support? how can I enable it?
[01:17] <Zomb> can anyone paste the sources.list line for the current ubuntu unstable branch?
[01:17] <pisuke> Zomb, just s/warty/horay
[01:18] <sid77> hi
[01:20] <Zomb> pisuke: s,debian,ubuntu, -> no "just", dude
[01:21] <Zomb> the doc search system on the homepage sucks. Does not find "sources.list".
[01:25] <demon666_nl> Will there be a floppy netinstall image for ubuntu ?
[01:26] <frogbert> Can someone tell me how to mount another ext3 partition so that any user can read/write to it?
[01:27] <davybondo> Hi my 1st time on irc
[01:27] <housetier> hello davybondo
[01:28] <housetier> welcome to the harsh and addictive world of irc
[01:28] <jordi> davybondo: welcome to the productivity blackhole.
[01:28] <housetier> HAHAHAHAa
[01:28] <jordi> heh
[01:28] <davybondo> Hi housetier and all you guys
[01:29] <davybondo> can I ask 1 of you a question about Ubuntu
[01:31] <davybondo> this is my 1st time useing Ubuntu ....I was useing Mandrake
[01:31] <vegai> I wonder if the ubuntu team is considering a default firewall setup?
[01:31] <Zomb> frogbert: ext3 is not stupid fat. It knows permission flags, so do not try to cheat the kernel.
[01:32] <housetier> davybondo ask your question here and it will most likely be answered
[01:32] <vegai> frogbert: easy ;) mount /dev/hda8 /mnt ; chmod -R a+rwx /mnt/*
[01:32] <vegai> but that's probably not what you wanted..
[01:34] <davybondo> I'm trying to access my hdc drive but it's disabled anybody know how I can access it......Thanks
[01:34] <Pozac> disabled?
[01:35] <davybondo> I have XP on the hdc drive and Ubuntu on my slave drive hdd
[01:35] <Pozac> frogbert, can't you just set low permissions on it?
[01:36] <Pozac> davybondo, have you selected the correct partition?
[01:36] <Pozac> hdc1 or whatever
[01:37] <davybondo> ya tried both ...they have a red icon on them
[01:37] <ar|k> what is ubuntu all abt. its spreadin like fire
[01:37] <bob2> www.ubuntulinux.org, it's the coolest linux distribution in town!
[01:37] <Pozac> ar|k, ubuntu means humanity towards others ;)
[01:38] <ar|k> is it better than mepis/.
[01:38] <davybondo> says I dont have permission it wont let me log on as root
[01:38] <Pozac> davybondo, what does mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows say?
[01:38] <bob2> mepis is a livecd
[01:39] <bob2> ubuntu is an operating system
[01:39] <ar|k> simple installation?
[01:39] <frogbert> Okay so will that say that way when I reboot?
[01:39] <Pozac> davybondo, are you aware of the way root is handled in ubuntu?
[01:40] <davybondo> I'll try that Pozac ...should I type into a terminal window
[01:40] <cef> bob2: you know what I need? a livecd with dev tools and distcc.. *grin*
[01:40] <bob2> cef: haha
[01:40] <cef> bob2: for all those work machines that sit idle every night
[01:40] <Pozac> davybondo, yeah.. if you need to be root, use 'sudo -s' first
[01:40] <Pozac> cef, like the gentoo one? :)
[01:41] <ar|k> im new to linux. im thinking of installing mandrake10.1 cos they say this is the easiest. pls tell me what ubuntu can offer... plss
[01:41] <cef> Pozac: yeah, but all ubuntu.. none of that silly gentoo over-optimization
[01:41] <bob2> ar|k: if you don't know anything about linux, then about the only thing that matters is ease of installation.  I'm pretty sure ubuntu's is simpler than mandrake's.
[01:41] <Pozac> cef ;)
[01:42] <Pozac> ubuntu install is so easy
[01:42] <ar|k> what abt other installations?
[01:42] <Pozac> try them
[01:42] <bob2> ar|k: you'd have to ask them
[01:42] <Pozac> they are free
[01:42] <Pozac> :)
[01:42] <bob2> e.g., #mandrake or whatever
[01:43] <Pozac> I highly recommend Ubuntu for everyone.
[01:43] <bob2> me too
[01:43] <ar|k> thanks
[01:43] <Pozac> davybondo, did you add anything to your /etc/fstab file?
[01:44] <davybondo> tried it Pozac typed in -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows and came back with               command not found, I know it is a ntfs file system
[01:45] <bob2> you forgot the word 'mount'
[01:45] <Pozac> davybondo, mount :)
[01:45] <davybondo> no never heard of that
[01:45] <bob2> "sudo mount  -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows"
[01:45] <Pozac> if /mnt/windows is where you want it
[01:45] <Pozac> Isn't this documented somewhere?
[01:45] <bob2> yes
[01:46] <Pozac> davybondo, read here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1886&page=1&pp=10
[01:47] <bob2> also in the faq
[01:47] <bob2> and the ubuntu guide thing
[01:47] <Pozac> and lots of howto's
[01:49] <demon666_nl> Will there be a floppy netinstall image for ubuntu ?
[01:50] <davybondo> Thanks Pozac.......I think I'll go read up on it
[01:50] <atropus> how can I unmount a flash drive when it is busy?
[01:50] <bob2> demon666_nl: it's being worked on, and is a 'good to have goal, iirc
[01:50] <bob2> atropus: kill whatever is making it busy
[01:50] <Pozac> davybondo, no problem :) if you still have problems after reading, come back here :)
[01:50] <jinty> man mount fstab
[01:51] <davybondo> Thanks a lot      Cya later
[01:53] <Pozac> demon666_nl, Please make one! ;)
[01:55] <marco> is there someone who speek italian?
[01:55] <usual> I do not
[01:55] <marco> so, i try to speek en..
[01:56] <demon666_nl> bob2 do you know if it's a goal for hoary or grumpy ? do you know where to find more about this on the wiki ?
[01:56] <bob2> marco: #ubuntu-it
[01:56] <bob2> demon666_nl: hoary, iirc, maybe on the hoary goals page?
[01:57] <marco> thanks bob!!!
[01:57] <marco> bye to all
[01:57] <khinester> hello
[01:57] <usual> hi
[01:58] <khinester> i have installed ubuntu on a low spec laptop using the howto from the main site
[01:58] <khinester> and have also added openoffice
[01:58] <khinester> but can't find out how to start open office
[01:59] <khinester> it is not in the applications folder
[01:59] <bob2> which 'application folder'?
[02:00] <khinester> when you click on the IceWM icon
[02:00] <khinester> you have Applications
[02:00] <bob2> you need to mention that you're using icewm then :)
[02:00] <khinester> sorry
[02:01] <vegai> I wonder if the ubuntu team is considering a default firewall setup?
[02:02] <vegai> is there already a tool for defining firewalls?
[02:02] <ar|k> is there PPPOE confiuration?
[02:02] <vegai> (in an easy way)
[02:02] <demon666_nl> bob2 : I can't find anything about it on the wiki. (only howto's if you've installed linux already or use knoppix or debian bootfloppy's)
[02:03] <usual> vegai, I am using firestarter
[02:03] <usual> vegai, it's nice
[02:04] <usual> vegai, http://www.fs-security.com/
[02:06] <demon666_nl> firestarter is nice. But not necessary if you don't install additional services. See http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7511
[02:11] <usual> AndyFit1, very nice
[02:13] <usual> AndyFit1, msg me your aim name again
[02:13] <AndyFit1> usual: AndyFitzGeek
[02:14] <usual> ok gotcha
[02:14] <usual> icons look great
[02:14] <AndyFit1> thanks mate
[02:14] <usual> AndyFit1, just to let you know, gnome crashed for me on login
[02:14] <usual> AndyFit1, said panel was already running
[02:15] <usual> AndyFit1, gnome is behaving strange
[02:15] <AndyFit1> ouch, thats happened to me in hoary too
[02:15] <usual> AndyFit1, have you made a firefox icon yet?
[02:15] <AndyFit1> now I know why people wear those _Insert name_ broke my gnome   t-shirts
[02:15] <bob2> vegai: there are lots, but none of them were considered 'best of breed' enough to go in
[02:16] <bob2> vegai: also, the default install has no need for a firewall
[02:16] <usual> hehe
[02:16] <vegai> demon666_nl: but aren't daemons automatically started in Debian/Ubuntu?
[02:16] <AndyFit1> usual,  checkout http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etq
[02:16] <AndyFit1> I can't use the firefox logo.  but I have made an svg for it
[02:17] <usual> AndyFit1, I see, nice work either way
[02:17] <AndyFit1> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etq/trademarks.svg  if you want the svg :-P
[02:17] <etorix> will xfce4 go on this
[02:17] <AndyFit1> etorix: yes
[02:17] <usual> ERROR 404: Not Found.
[02:18] <etorix> erm .. what about KDE
[02:18] <bob2> demon666_nl: dunno then, I believe kamion was working on it...maybe ask on the ubuntu-devel list?
[02:18] <AndyFit1> etorix: yes but  not much support for it with this distro
[02:19] <usual> AndyFit1, did you move the file or something?
[02:19] <AndyFit1> you'll basically  get what debian has
[02:19] <etorix> ok .. im on amd64 .. i have sources
[02:19] <AndyFit1> usual: I'm checking what happened to it ..    brisgeek is a debian box  . never lets me down.    fitzsimon.com.au is a win2k box ( I only use it for the storage space )  its constantly flaky
[02:20] <usual> haha
[02:20] <etorix> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" - Alpha amd64 Binary-1 .. i just installed
[02:20] <AndyFit1> usual,  it went missing ... weird ..  its up now
[02:20] <usual> k
[02:22] <AndyFit1> usual, the October wallpaper  2nd from the top on http://brisgeek.com/etiquette/downloads.html  works best with the icon them I find
[02:22] <usual> k
[02:23] <AndyFit1> they are just cinepaint to gimp mods of the dark brown calender png files. a bit more elegant I think
[02:25] <etorix> i have no root account .. .. no choice other than 640x480 ..
[02:25] <etorix> so dialogs are un-accessible
[02:26] <etorix> they go off-screen
[02:26] <Roshbo> uptime
[02:26] <usual> AndyFit1, how can I extract the trademark icons in inkscape
[02:27] <AndyFit1> just open the svg file, make a new document 128x128 pt and copy paste the ones you want and save them
[02:28] <wood1> Hi to all
[02:28] <AndyFit1> hi wood1
[02:28] <wood1> Great to back to #ubuntu
[02:28] <wood1> I miss you guys and dolls
[02:28] <AndyFit1> and welcome back
[02:29] <usual> AndyFit1, I see a bunch or templates but nowhere to custom tell it to do 128x128
[02:29] <AndyFit1> usual CTRL+SHIFT+D
[02:29] <AndyFit1> just open the document properties dialog
[02:30] <demon666_nl> vegai : all ports are closed by default and only opened when you install something like apache. But firestarter might be nice if you want to make sure those services aren't reachable. A firewall is also nice if you're paranoid :)
[02:31] <AndyFit1> totem-xine and mplayer arent opening my divx :P
[02:31] <demon666_nl> bob2 : thnx
[02:31] <wood1> How do I transfer a file from Amsn to somebody from Gaim ?
[02:31] <usual> AndyFit1, do I have to do something special to perfectly paste the icon into the new doc? or do I just drag it over it and hope for the best
[02:31] <AndyFit1> I wanna watch theOCS02E06.  too bad I guess lol
[02:31] <usual> AndyFit1, did you install the multimedia packages like libdvdcss2 or whatever
[02:32] <AndyFit1> usual, those bugs were fixed when I visited the inkscape dev team in melbourne :)
[02:32] <AndyFit1> it should work fine.  but ungrouping everything and pressing up down helps too.. also making sure you vacuum the defs every so often
[02:33] <zenlunatic> how does one verify the iso is not corrupted? ie md5?
[02:33] <zenlunatic> or does ubuntu not have this?
[02:33] <AndyFit1> usual: yeah I installed everything needed.  and I didnt uninstall anything .  the same files that played a few days ago won't play now  with no corruption etc
[02:34] <AndyFit1>  usual,  could you pm me you sources.list  ?
[02:34] <usual> AndyFit1, sure
[02:34] <AndyFit1> you= your
[02:34] <AndyFit1> thanks .  I did alot of sources.list cleansing when gnome-panel didnt load ;)
[02:35] <etorix> hmm .. why didnt i get an option to set a root password and account
[02:36] <etorix>  how am i i sposed to edit
[02:36] <usual> AndyFit1, 1 sec
[02:36] <AndyFit1> etorix, because it uses sudo
[02:37] <AndyFit1> now you type sudo -s  instead of su
[02:37] <etorix> the user is in the sudoers?
[02:37] <AndyFit1> if you want more than the first user to be able to use sudo  you have to edit sudoers
[02:37] <etorix> ah ok
[02:37] <etorix> no second user
[02:38] <Shufla> hello ubunte[i] rs :D
[02:38] <etorix> it seems to work ok so far but i need to do a bit of serious editing from within
[02:45] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:45] <da_bon_bon> may i aska fedora installation question here, if people dont mind?
[02:46] <zenlunatic> no i mind
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> oh! why? its REALLY serious and someone here might know!?
[02:48] <AcidPils> dont ask to ask, just ask... (i guess noboby will know the ansyer ;) )
[02:48] <fabbione> -> #fedora
[02:48] <da_bon_bon> i inserted FC3 first disc , the install was about to start and it gave an error about disk space and i neede to restarts. henceforth, ever since install start, the x server starts, display a rainbow stripes horizontal lines and hangs the amchine
[02:48] <AcidPils> answer even
[02:49] <AcidPils> good question, next one ;)
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: i need all possible help
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> AcidPils: LOL. i am serious! :P
[02:51] <AcidPils> sorry, i never used fedora
[02:52] <etorix> -> #fedora
[02:52] <da_bon_bon> ok
[02:52] <gsuveg> da_bon_bon: me on my new asus notebook, the fc3 dont works.
[02:52] <etorix> i used fedora for a day or so
[02:52] <da_bon_bon> gsuveg: it worked the first time
[02:52] <gsuveg> da_bon_bon: test with ubuntu :)
[02:52] <AcidPils> cant you change to a console? maybe with some more input would help
[02:53] <da_bon_bon> gsuveg: i have alreadytried ubuntu and like it
[02:53] <AcidPils> why fedora then? oO
[02:54] <gsuveg> yes. why ?
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> AcidPils: to get the feel of it. also, i LOVE kde
[02:54] <AcidPils> kde is great... as long as i dont have to use it
[02:54] <gsuveg> da_bon_bon: then apt-get install kde or so
[02:55] <Kamion> zenlunatic: in the installer, go back to the main menu and look for "verify the CD-ROM's integrity" near the bottom
[02:55] <da_bon_bon> gsuveg: ok. but i still wanana try FC3
[02:56] <gsuveg> da_bon_bon: intall vmware ;)
[02:56] <etorix> fc3 = no apt
[02:56] <da_bon_bon> gsuveg: i was thinking of that!!
[02:56] <gsuveg> etorix: nono. you can use apt in fc
[03:15] <Ileden> Hi! I'm quite new to linux (haven't gotten it to work well enough for me yet), and I'll probably be installing Ubuntu next time I'll try it out. I'm wondering if this channel is friendly towards help requests concerning ubuntu, and linux in general - can I get help here during the setup process?
[03:15] <zeedo> Ileden: yep
[03:15] <Ileden> Great. :)
[03:16] <zeedo> as long as you have read the docs first, people here will be happy to help
[03:16] <AcidPils> im also new to this chan, but most of the guys here are helful
[03:17] <Ileden> Well, I'll be sure to try the docs first, but not everything is that well documented, at least for those with not much previous technical experience with linux...
[03:17] <Ileden> I haven't yet read the ubuntu docs, though.
[03:17] <|rufius|> Could anyone tell me how to change my default media player from Totem to something else?
[03:18] <siretart> ah, hi AcidPils ;)
[03:18] <Ileden> I'd also like to know whether this channel has a friendly attitude towards helping out on setting up technically insignificant, but usability-wise meaningful features for ubuntu? Often some of my questions and laments about some aspects of linux have been met with somewhat of a resistance from people using linux, which does make setting up a linux for my tastes a problem.
[03:19] <siretart> Ileden: I have a good impression of the ubuntu community. Both in this channel and in the wiki
[03:20] <siretart> Ileden: but you'll never learn if you don't try ;)
[03:20] <Ileden> siretart: From what small I've seen at the wiki, I also got a good impression. One of the reasons ubuntu seems so appealing. :)
[03:23] <Ileden> siretart: So true. The main problem is just that - you (or at least I) mostly learn by doing. But I need to have the system up and working for me to start learning how it works. And from previous experience it seems to set up linux (not just install) you need to know how it works. So there we have an endless loop. :)
[03:23] <Ileden> by setting up I don't just mean the installation.
[03:24] <Ileden> I mean installing and setting up all the software required for normal use of a computer system -.which is somewhat extensive list for me :)
[03:25] <siretart> Ileden: ubuntu works fairly good at setting up a gnome desktop with office tools like openoffice and evolution. it depends how YOU want to use your computer. for many people this suffices
[03:25] <etorix> best way to learn is by doing
[03:25] <|rufius|> hrm i just want to get rid of totem... stupid totem
[03:26] <AcidPils> hi siretart i found my way to this channel at last ;)
[03:26] <siretart> hehe
[03:28] <Ileden> siretart: yes, that is the problem, for most people Office is enough. I however have some more uses, and on previous occasion I haven't gotten all of the applications I want to work.
[03:29] <Ileden> and most people that have more uses already know how to use linux. :)
[03:29] <siretart> Ileden: what applications are you talking of?
[03:30] <Ileden> well, last time I tried (Mandrake) I couldn't get grip to copy CDs properly, nor could I understand how the cd writing software was meant to be used. To name two examples.
[03:32] <siretart> grip is not a burning application, but a fairly good ripper
[03:32] <Ileden> oh, sorry, I wasn't using grip for trying to burn something.
[03:33] <Ileden> I don't remember what I used anymore, it was more than a year ago, or something. :)
[03:34] <Ileden> there were other problems as well, but I'm afraid I don't recall all of them either. :)
[03:34] <Ileden> I have tried to map out my uses for my computer though, to approach moving to linux at least in a somewhat organized fashion.
[03:36] <Ileden> But anyway, I'll probably won't have time for my next attempt at linux until next year, so this I'm just here to check out whether the Ubuntu community is nice and friendly enough to help me. :)
[03:37] <urdalen> !search download accelerator
[03:37] <rhodan> hello thar
[03:37] <wood1> Amaranth, how are you?
[03:37] <wood1> are you there
[03:38] <AndyFit1> g'day,  anybody know if there is a specific file used for folding@home ?  and if so do they have a mimetype ?
[03:38] <wood1> Treenaks, are you there ?
[03:38] <wood1> AndyFit, do you know how to install fonts in Ubuntu ?
[03:38] <wood1> I want to install some ttf fonts
[03:39] <AndyFit1> wood1: yeah there are a few ways..    the easiest is to go to fonts:// in nautilus and drag and drop them
[03:39] <AndyFit1> open nautilus  go  CTRL+L  type fonts://  and drag the ttf files in there
[03:40] <wood1> fonts://
[03:40] <wood1> that's it
[03:40] <srbaker> anyone know of a good repository that has things like f-spot, muine, tomboy?
[03:40] <srbaker> i need at least those appas
[03:41] <wood1> thanks Andy
[03:41] <AndyFit1> nps
[03:42] <|rufius|> has anyone in here tried to play Postal for linux?
[03:42] <|rufius|> hrm actually, more accurately, has anyone tried to play a game and have it completely mess up the xserver?
[03:42] <AndyFit1> srbaker: f-spot is very unstable unless you get it from cvs
[03:42] <royalbuds> hi, whats the difference between debian and ubuntu?
[03:42] <|rufius|> royalbuds: ubuntu is more user friendly
[03:42] <srbaker> oh
[03:42] <srbaker> suck
[03:42] <srbaker> what about tomboy packages?
[03:43] <|rufius|> like if i try to play netpanzer or postal, my xserver goes nuts and dies on me, have to restart it
[03:43] <royalbuds> |rufius|, but what about the packages, can i use debian mirrors?
[03:43] <AndyFit1> the rest should be in unstable or multiverse
[03:43] <AndyFit1> I mean universe
[03:43] <srbaker> uh, tomboy isn't
[03:43] <|rufius|> royalbuds: if you wanted to but i havent found much that the ubuntu mirrors didn'th ave...
[03:43] <AndyFit1> srbaker ? hoary ?
[03:44] <royalbuds> |rufius|, but i can use apt?
[03:44] <srbaker> AndyFit1, no, warty
[03:44] <kensai> royalbuds, yep apt is the package manager for ubuntu too
[03:44] <AndyFit1> ahh sorry  yeah I know there is a repo for warty too.    getswea something something
[03:44] <linux_mafia> srbaker, tseng's repo has those things
[03:44] <|rufius|> royalbuds: its debian essentially, if it didn't have apt, you couldn't call it based on debian
[03:44] <|rufius|> ;)
[03:44] <srbaker> thx
[03:45] <wood1> AndyFit, how do I know which services are running on my system right now ?
[03:45] <linux_mafia> srbaker, hang on i give you apt line
[03:45] <srbaker> http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/
[03:45] <srbaker> :)
[03:45] <linux_mafia> http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[03:46] <AndyFit1> wood1:  in gnome-system tools there is a runlevel editor .  but for somereason it isnt included in ubuntu
[03:46] <AndyFit1> I wish it were
[03:46] <wood1> How do I use that ?
[03:46] <wood1> Is it installed or do we have to manually install it ?
[03:46] <linux_mafia> srbaker, im on hoary, fspot is a no go here still, you can install it, but it wont start
[03:47] <srbaker> wow
[03:47] <srbaker> tseng has all of those
[03:47] <srbaker> nice
[03:47] <AndyFit1> wood1  its not installed and I'm not sure why it isnt in the repos anymore
[03:47] <srbaker> linux_mafia, ahh, then i'll wait for it to not suck
[03:47] <AndyFit1> it was in there once
[03:47] <wood1> What is tomboy ???
[03:47] <AndyFit1> but I updated and it disappeared
[03:47] <linux_mafia> srbaker, you could try cvs, but i havent bothered
[03:47] <linux_mafia> wood1, mono app for taking notes
[03:48] <srbaker> oh damn.  mono is only in universe
[03:48] <srbaker> wood1, tomboy is a wiki for your desktop.  it kicks major ass
[03:48] <wood1> What does it do actually ?
[03:49] <linux_mafia> wood1, http://www.beatniksoftware.com/tomboy/
[03:49] <srbaker> wood1, google for "Seven Cool Mono Apps" and read about it
[03:49] <macewan> good morning from someone that has 10 days off :)
[03:49] <linux_mafia> off what?
[03:49] <macewan> work
[03:49] <linux_mafia> oh
[03:49] <mgedmin> is it possible to install ubuntu over the network from the i386 install cd?
[03:49] <mgedmin> apparently the CD-ROM drive is not detected on Dell PowerEdge 750 servers
[03:50] <mgedmin> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4062.html implies it is possible, but I cannot find network installation methods anywhere
[03:50] <linux_mafia> mgedmin, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto/view?searchterm=net%20install
[03:52] <AndyFit1> morning macewan
[03:54] <macewan> :)
[03:56] <AndyFit1> I'll be right back
[03:58] <tim1> we have a fully transparent gnome-panel in hoary! yippie
[03:58] <macewan> because of xorg
[03:58] <macewan> ?
[03:58] <kergan> not counting the vwm that ant transparent
[03:58] <|rufius|> Does ubuntu use xorg or xfree86?
[03:59] <kergan> werty uses xfree
[03:59] <kergan> hoary uses xorg
[03:59] <|rufius|> hrm ok
[03:59] <tim1> macewan: no, gnome-panel and gnome-applets 2.9.3
[03:59] <|rufius|> then i don't understand whats going on w/ netpanzer...
[03:59] <tim1> actually i'm running xf86 under hoary
[03:59] <kergan> i have xorg
[03:59] <kergan> and i love it
[04:00] <macewan> it's nice but i found it fairly slow
[04:00] <kergan> i found its slow when i run xcompmgr
[04:01] <kergan> so xcompmgr is for screenshots only
[04:01] <wood1> Andy, how do I install tomboy ?
[04:01] <DoktorTomoe> hi :)
[04:02] <Pozac> hi DoktorTomoe :)
[04:02] <DoktorTomoe> What is the proper way of installing JAVA under Ubuntu Hoary?
[04:02] <macewan> untar, make, sudo make install I believe
[04:02] <macewan> for wood1
[04:02] <kergan> www.ubuntuguid.org go thare for java install DoktorTomoe
[04:03] <Pozac> tim1, are all the applets transparent too?
[04:03] <kergan> ubuntuguide.org
[04:03] <kergan> Pozac, yes
[04:03] <wood1> How do I open the Nautilus browser as the root user ?
[04:03] <wood1> Andy
[04:03] <Pozac> sweet
[04:03] <wood1> macewan
[04:03] <kergan> wood1, sudo nautlius
[04:03] <macewan> tomboy install
[04:04] <tim1> Pozac: the ones i use are, gnome-menu, volume, clock ...
[04:04] <kergan> tim1,  and weather
[04:04] <Pozac> tim1, no pager?
[04:04] <kergan> lol
[04:05] <Pozac> Am I the only one using the bubblemon applet? It's totally sweet, though slightly broken :(
[04:05] <tim1> kergan: weather yes
[04:05] <macewan> ah yeah dot slash configure before you make wood1
[04:06] <tim1> Pozac: what does pager do? everything is german over here
[04:06] <kergan> tim1,  i was makingshure you dint forget any applets
[04:06] <Pozac> tim1, It shows mini previews of the workspaces
[04:07] <Pozac> It doesn't seem to fixed yet :(
[04:07] <kergan> its the vwm
[04:07] <tim1> hm how can the pager be transparent ?
[04:08] <Pozac> dunno :)
[04:08] <Pozac> it can be better than now
[04:08] <Gwildor|Work> Pozac, what is the "bubblemon"applet do?
[04:08] <Pozac> it looks really out of place
[04:08] <Pozac> Gwildor, cpu load, mem, swap monitor
[04:09] <Gwildor|Work> Pozac, ahhh, imma have to look into that
[04:10] <Pozac> Gwildor, it has some problems with memory though... it doesn't leave out the buffers/cache part, so memory seems to be full very quick :(
[04:11] <DoktorTomoe> Java: tried the way of ubuntuguide, didnt work
[04:11] <Blackwell> hi
[04:11] <Pozac> hi BlacKnight|
[04:11] <Pozac> blackwell
[04:11] <kergan> DoktorTomoe, then you dint follow the instructions
[04:12] <wood1> Andy, I can't paste some TTF fonts in Nautilus ?
[04:12] <Pozac> :)
[04:12] <kergan> casue its installed and works just fine
[04:12] <DoktorTomoe> kergan: to the very letters.
[04:12] <kergan> hmmm
[04:12] <kergan> what ver of java
[04:12] <kergan> 1.5
[04:12] <Blackwell> java? install problems?
[04:13] <kergan> Blackwell, i know
[04:13] <kergan> lol
[04:13] <kergan> welp i am off to work
[04:13] <kergan> bye alll
[04:13] <DoktorTomoe> 1.4.2
[04:13] <DoktorTomoe> 1.5 does not work for me -_-
[04:14] <Blackwell> DoktorTomoe: try better than "does not work"?
[04:14] <DoktorTomoe> Blackwell: The custom banking account application written by that damn freelancer I have to use is not running under 1.5
[04:15] <Blackwell> DoktorTomoe: ah, so java 1.5 is running fine on your box? who's next? :)
[04:15] <DoktorTomoe> Java 1.5 used to run on that old SuSE-Box of mine. I tried it there. Ubuntu is pretty new on this system
[04:17] <DoktorTomoe> Blackwell: The Problem is how to install Java 1.4.2 on Ubuntu, because I am stuck with this java application (it refuses to run under 1.5)
[04:17] <Blackwell> DoktorTomoe: same way as 1.5 :)
[04:17] <Blackwell> DoktorTomoe: http://javafaq.mine.nu/lookup?67
[04:18] <Pozac> Are there any goodies in the linux-image-2.6.9-1 build that are not in 2.6.8.1 ?
[04:18] <linux_mafia> Pozac, inotify
[04:18] <Pozac> ohh
[04:18] <Pozac> for gamin?
[04:20] <etorix> is there a ppp-setup app?
[04:20] <linux_mafia> Pozac, i guess, i only know of its use with beagle
[04:20] <etorix> pppconfig gives me just errors
[04:20] <etorix> /usr/sbin/pppconfig: line 24: BEGIN: command not found
[04:21] <etorix> ha ha ha
[04:21] <etorix> /usr/sbin/pppconfig: line 25: use: command not found
[04:21] <Pozac> etorix, did you try System Settings -> Network ?
[04:22] <etorix> ok ill try that
[04:22] <etorix>  .. i cant find any ppp stuff in the *install* manual
[04:23] <Pozac> linux_mafia, I'm hoping inotify/gamin will solve alot of my FAM woes :)
[04:24] <linux_mafia> Pozac, i dont think gamin really has anything to do with inotify, at the moment anyway, until dnotify is completely depreciated
[04:25] <Pozac> linux_mafia, ok :(
[04:25] <Blackwell> hm. good to see that it is not only java developers who get "deprecated" wrong all the time. ;)
[04:26] <Pozac> Blackwell, its deprecation or what win32 has become :)
[04:28] <linux_mafia> Blackwell, hey your right, i guess i never thought about it, must be mis-spelled/mis-used so often
[04:29] <Blackwell> Pozac: win32, deprecated? funk, nobody told me. i need to tell my boss, we need to cancel the current project. :)
[04:30] <Pozac> Blackwell, Its not. It should. :)
[04:30] <Blackwell> linux_mafia: i keep seeing it in the java realm. it's too funny, even the sharpest and most nitpicking java folks get it wrong now and then. ;)
[04:30] <Blackwell> Pozac: ah, perhaps, like any c level api :)
[04:30] <wood1> What is the difference between a .tar file and a .bz2 file format ?
[04:31] <Blackwell> but then again, someone's got to write the nice infrastructure for us high level bozos...:)
[04:31] <Pozac> wood1, tar just packs file into one, no compression
[04:31] <rhodan> hello thar
[04:31] <Blackwell> wood1: one os file archive with compression, the other only an archive.
[04:31] <macewan> http://www.macewan.org/index.php?m=200412#post-200
[04:31] <Pozac> wood1, bz2 and gz are ways to compress that single tar file
[04:31] <macewan> could someone look at that and tell me if it makes sense?
[04:31] <macewan> it's a tomboy howto install
[04:31] <Blackwell> wood1: actually, i take that bz2 being a file archive format back. it may be, don't know. :)
[04:32] <Pozac> macewan, compiling is not needed on ubuntu
[04:32] <Blackwell> macewan: install of vs. on?
[04:32] <tim1> macewan: there are tomboy .deb packages
[04:32] <macewan> really?
[04:32] <tim1> in hoary ...
[04:33] <macewan> what about warty
[04:33] <Pozac> I got the package from somewhere when I ran warty
[04:33] <Pozac> tim1, you got mono working in hoary?
[04:33] <Blackwell> macewan: consider bold step marks or something, so that at first glance the steps can be told apart easily. oh, i know, i am nitpicking on form, not content. :-)
[04:33] <tim1> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/t/tomboy/
[04:34] <Kirsch> hey guys, i'm not new to linux but I have never needed to try and dialup before, can someone point me to a good howto or to where the config is so I can try and figure it out?
[04:34] <macewan> no, thanks for the input
[04:34] <macewan> :)
[04:34] <tim1> Pozac: there are also .deb packages for mono :)
[04:34] <rhodan> neep neep
[04:34] <Pozac> tim1, I can't install it since it was removed a few days ago
[04:35] <Pozac> deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./ <- to get tomboy, from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[04:35] <Pozac> in warty
[04:35] <Blackwell> Kirsch: got dsl?
[04:35] <tim1> yeah i can't update it to 1.0.4 either, but 1.0.2 is still working
[04:35] <macewan> well I'll be
[04:35] <Pozac> So how do I go about installing 1.0.2 ?
[04:35] <linux_mafia> shit, last cig
[04:36] <Blackwell> linux_mafia: smoking can cause death.
[04:36] <rhodan> is it worth upgrading to hoary hedgehog ?
[04:36] <tim1> apt-get install mono=1.0.2
[04:36] <Blackwell> and cancer. and...
[04:36] <macewan> in hoary it complains about not have *mint or something another not being version 1.0.4
[04:37] <rhodan> is hoaring hedgehog worth the upgrade ?
[04:37] <Kirsch> Blackwell: No, Dialup
[04:37] <Kirsch> old fashioned 56K
[04:37] <Kirsch> PPP
[04:37] <Pozac> tim1, version 1.0.2 not found..
[04:37] <tim1> hm
[04:37] <Pozac> rhodan, it breaks but it's sweet. You decide. :)
[04:38] <linux_mafia> hoaring hedgehog, haha, (pictures a hedgehog out on a boozy stripclub night)
[04:38] <rhodan> kekeke
[04:38] <tim1> pozac: wait a second
[04:38] <wood1> can the "tar" command be used to unzip .zip files
[04:38] <rhodan> Pozac: what breaks ? anything major ?
[04:38] <Pozac> use unzip
[04:38] <wood1> I can't extract a .bz2 file using tar ?
[04:39] <Pozac> rhodan, ubuntu is released every 6 months, with feature additions in the beginning (=breakage, like X.Org was a few days ago), but later on it will stabilize
[04:39] <macewan> bunzip2 *.bz2
[04:39] <Pozac> wood1, tar vxjpf archive.tar.bz2
[04:40] <linux_mafia> wood1, it all depends, a straight .bz2 you would use bzip2 -d <file> a tar.bz2 then tar jxf <filr>
[04:40] <maswan> linux_mafia: Ehm. j means to do automatic bzip2 decompression. either bzip2 -d first or j as a flag to tar.
[04:40] <Pozac> wood1, if you have got X, then file-roller is a sweet tool. :)
[04:41] <tim1> pozac: i have the 1.0.2 packages still in my apt cache
[04:42] <wood1> By the way, I can't connect to this IRC Channel using Port 6667
[04:42] <Kirsch> How do I know where my modem is?
[04:42] <linux_mafia> maswan, yeah i know, didnt make myself clear, a straight .bz2 you would use bzip2 -d <file> or if you have a tar.bz2 then tar jxf <file>, better?
[04:42] <Kirsch> which /dev/ttySX ?
[04:42] <Pozac> tim1, I'll just wait for some fixage :)
[04:43] <wood1> Could that be due to some firewall that I can't connect to this #IRC using gaim
[04:43] <Pozac> tim1, thanks :)
[04:43] <linux_mafia> maswan, or can you go tar j on a straight .bz2, is that what youre saying?
[04:43] <tim1> pozac: ok :)
[04:44] <wood1> linux_mafia, I think that my network administrator has block the port 6667
[04:44] <wood1> How do I connect to gaim and still access port 6667
[04:44] <pisuke> tar xvfz *.tar.gz or *.tgz
[04:44] <pisuke> tar xvfj *.tar.bz2
[04:45] <Blackwell> wood1: ask your network admin. you don't want to get fired for hacking your way around a block set up esp. for you.
[04:45] <pisuke> that's it. or use fireroller :)
[04:45] <linux_mafia> using gaim for irc? odd, or is it common? ive used xchat or bitchx only
[04:45] <wood1> Well Blackwell, is there a way out ?
[04:45] <Blackwell> packer/unpacker support isn't integrated into the file explorer?
[04:45] <maswan> linux_mafia: the first thing
[04:46] <Blackwell> wood1: a six-pack might do the trick.
[04:46] <wood1> Linux_mafia, which software are you using to chat in this forum right now ?
[04:46] <linux_mafia> xchat
[04:46] <wood1> I am using gaim
[04:46] <Blackwell> wood1: excellent, so your port 6667 is not blocked?
[04:46] <wood1> How many of you here use Gaim to access this chat forum ?
[04:46] <Blackwell> wood1: this is irc. not a forum.
[04:47] <Aoi> hi ya, I can't figure out how to setup my home network. I would like ubuntu act as my internet gateway for another 2 boxes. I have eth0 internet (sis), eth1(sis) and eth2(via). witch ip I need to set on eth1?
[04:47] <Pozac> in a way, it's also a forum
[04:47] <Pozac> there were fora (?) before there phpBB and the internets
[04:47] <Blackwell> Aoi: consider a little broadband router. that is more secure since there is less room for screwing up the security related config. you can still have the ubuntu box behind that nat router.
[04:47] <wood1> Blackwell, this is the only PC on my network which does not have the port 6667 blocked because it is used as a fax Server
[04:48] <Blackwell> wood1: yeah, i hear fax uses port 6667.
[04:48] <wood1> Pozax, I understand that this is not a forum
[04:48] <Blackwell> (kidding)
[04:48] <Aoi> Blacwell what do you think use a nat router and setup firestarter?
[04:48] <Pozac> Aoi, Use a class C adress, like 192.168.1.1
[04:48] <wood1> So is there a way out to access this chatroom from my other Network PCs?
[04:49] <rhodan> i'm trying to install mplayer following the FAQ off the ubuntu forum
[04:49] <Blackwell> Aoi: i don't know what firestarter is. but i mean do not use a pc for the first line of defense. it is too easy to screw the security related configuration up.
[04:49] <wood1> I have installed Ubuntu on all of my network pcs
[04:49] <Aoi> Pozac, how can I do it? eth1 192.0.0.1 and my windowz box 192.0.0.2 ? (crossed over)
[04:49] <rhodan> but when i run  $ sudo apt-get install libpng-dev
[04:49] <Aoi> Blackwell, I see, firestarter is a iptables gui
[04:49] <rhodan> it says i need to specifically choose one to install
[04:49] <rhodan> any ideas
[04:49] <Pozac> Aoi, you need the 192.168 part, but otherwise ok
[04:49] <Aoi> I don't mind use ubuntu as the first line defense because it is dedicated
[04:50] <wood1> So Blackwell, is there a way to connect to this chatroom from my other PCs ?
[04:50] <Blackwell> Aoi: these routers cost something like usd30, 40. really worth their money.
[04:50] <linux_mafia> Aoi, read a gateway or nat howto
[04:50] <Kirsch> i know this may be a long shot, but i have an LG4500 (Verizon, USA) phone with a datacable, I know that in windows i was able to use it as a modem and dialup. Is there a way i can do this in Linux?
[04:50] <Blackwell> Aoi: more points to get it wrong than right, with a full blown operating system, in my opinion. but that's just me perhaps.
[04:50] <Aoi> Pozac, I can't figure out, ipconfig eth1 192.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 ? then I need to forward ipv4 ?
[04:50] <Pozac> I own a Linksys router. It's a 166mhz box that runs Linux :)
[04:50] <wood1> Blackwell, how do you mean by a six-pack ????
[04:51] <Blackwell> daisy chaining them works nicely :)
[04:51] <Aoi> linux_mafia, I've try to find at google but I couldn't find a "easy" one
[04:51] <Pozac> Aoi, echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward i believe
[04:51] <Aoi> Blackwell, I see.
[04:51] <Blackwell> wood1: a friendly smile, a six-pack of beer on the admin's desk, that may be all you need to get over that port block. :)
[04:51] <Aoi> Pozac, oh just only it? wow nat rlz lol
[04:51] <wood1> Oh no
[04:52] <Aoi> wait, if I tur on eth1, my eth0 internet goes down
[04:53] <Aoi> I can't find a clear nat howto
[04:53] <Pozac> the interface is down? or just can't connect?
[04:53] <martin_> guys, in the terminal, when i want to use a command i have to first type gnome-terminal (and then) --help, for example. is there a way to make gnome-terminal a passive command or something?
[04:53] <Aoi> if eth1 up, eth0 can't connect
[04:53] <linux_mafia> Aoi, are they the same type of card?
[04:53] <Pozac> Aoi, Are you sure you want nat and not just ip masq?
[04:53] <wood1> hey guys and dolls, isn't there no way to connect to this chatroom from PCs whose port 6667 are blocked ?
[04:53] <Aoi> linux_mafia, yes
[04:53] <Aoi> linux_mafia, I have 2 sis and 1 via
[04:53] <Pozac> Aoi, bring eth1 up first
[04:54] <linux_mafia> Aoi, then you need aliases for the modules iirc
[04:54] <Aoi> 1 sis eth0, another sis eth1 (the via one I don't mind)
[04:54] <Aoi> modules iirc linux_mafia ? I don't understand O-o
[04:54] <Aoi> Pozac, eth1 up but not active let me test
[04:54] <martin_> guys, in the terminal, when i want to use a command i have to first type gnome-terminal (and then) --help, for example. is there a way to make gnome-terminal a passive command or something?....
[04:55] <Pozac> martin_, We don't understand your question
[04:56] <Pozac> martin_, How would you run a simple command like 'mount' instead of gnome-terminal (from the terminal?)
[04:56] <macewan> you mean something like: man tomboy
[04:56] <martin_> Pozac, you mean thats just the way it is in the terminal?
[04:56] <macewan> help instructions
[04:56] <wood1> Pozac, do you know a way to connect to this chatroom ?
[04:56] <martin_> Pozac, how about when i go to tty?
[04:56] <Aoi> pozac, if I turn on eth1, eth0 can't connect
[04:56] <wood1> macewan
[04:56] <Pozac> martin_, (and please don't just repeat it, it's not a nice thing to do like in real life)
[04:57] <martin_> Pozac, in real life if someone doesnt hear you, its the most logical thing to do...
[04:57] <Pozac> wood1, Dont known.. have your admin open up the port
[04:57] <Pozac> martin_, But we heard you
[04:57] <martin_> Pozac, ok sorry nevermind. i wont do that again
[04:58] <Pozac> martin_, what exactly do you need to do?
[04:59] <Pozac> clicking the terminal shortcut is the same action as running gnome-terminal
[04:59] <Pozac> Aoi, hmm
[05:00] <martin_> Pozac, im just trying to learn linux.. my first time
[05:00] <linux_mafia> Aoi, sorry was on phone, you there?
[05:00] <martin_> and typing gnome-terminal before each command can get really annoying
[05:00] <macewan> Pozac: You said earlier that compiling isn't needed on Ubuntu.
[05:00] <Pozac> martin_, it's ok, hang in there :)
[05:00] <martin_> isnt there a way to bypass it?
[05:01] <Pozac> martin_, you should _never_ need to type gnome-terminal
[05:01] <Aoi> linux_mafia, yes
[05:01] <martin_> but Pozac, if for example i type --help in the terminal window, it says unkown command
[05:01] <macewan> Pozac: why is it not needed?
[05:01] <martin_> only if i type gnome-terminal --help it works
[05:01] <Aoi> linux_mafia, I'm trying to figure out how to "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
[05:01] <Pozac> martin_, --help is not a command :) mount is a command
[05:02] <martin_> oh.
[05:02] <linux_mafia> Aoi, ok, i havent done this for ever, but basically, you cant have the same module used for 2 pieces of hardware
[05:02] <grelli> I'm running hoary right now, and there seems to be a dependancy issue with things needing python 2.3, and 2.4 being standard in ubuntu.  I know hoary is development and I shouldn't be whining, but is there a way to fix that?
[05:02] <martin_> Pozac, where can i get a list of commands then?
[05:02] <Aoi> linux_mafia, I'm used to "su -"
[05:02] <Pozac> martin_, type ls /usr/bin
[05:02] <Aoi> linux_mafia, oh I see, what I'm supposed to do in my case?
[05:02] <Aoi> linux_mafia, eth are loading ok, but I can't figure out how to setup it
[05:03] <martin_> it says no such directory, Pozac
[05:03] <Pozac> martin_, In linux (unix) all executable files are in /bin and /usr/bin
[05:03] <Pozac> note the slash / .. not \ like windows
[05:03] <pw> Pozac: that's not right; what about /usr/X11R6/bin
[05:03] <pw> ?
[05:04] <Pozac> pw, true.. and the rest of $PATH
[05:04] <macewan> Pozac: I guess because the packages can be retrieved via apt-get? :)
[05:04] <martin_> well it says theres no such directory Pozac
[05:04] <martin_> although ls works
[05:04] <Pozac> martin_, why are you typing commands? what do you want to do?
[05:04] <crimsun> grelli: you should not be whining :)
[05:05] <Pozac> Otherwise, you really should be clicking around in ubuntu's gorgeus Gnome :)
[05:05] <crimsun> grelli: for the most part, the transition to python2.4 is going smoothly
[05:05] <mojo> ala
[05:05] <mojo> x-mas is close
[05:05] <pw> jingle bells
[05:05] <mojo> merry x-mas all ubuntu-users and developers
[05:05] <macewan> not everyone celebrates christmas
[05:05] <Blackwell> i wonder how long it will take for that x-mas thing to turn sour this year. :)
[05:05] <grelli> crimsun there just seems to be a few packages that still depend on 2.3
[05:06] <Pozac> macewan, sorry, the packages can.. from the wiki FAQ
[05:06] <mojo> I'm not christian but I still celebrate x-mas for the sake of all ppl
[05:06] <Blackwell> i predict one more day until people start with their yearly "yeah, yeah, f*cking happy x-crap, move on ffs..." ;)
[05:06] <etorix> e crimsun
[05:06] <Pozac> macewan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[05:06] <martin_> Pozac, i want to learn how to use linux through commands, not through graphics...
[05:06] <martin_> i can do that through windows
[05:06] <Pozac> martin_, then you need to read
[05:06] <Pozac> hehe
[05:06] <martin_> Pozac, thats why i asked where can i read
[05:06] <pw> martin_: It might be an idea for you to get a good Linux boox.
[05:07] <pw> er.
[05:07] <pw> Book.
[05:07] <Pozac> yah
[05:07] <pw> Try "Running Linux".
[05:07] <Blackwell> martin_: it helps to have some gui to get something going and working at all. believe me...you cannot avoid "OS sex" with linux. ;)
[05:07] <Blackwell> martin_: hell, not even os x manages to keep the unix backend away from you.
[05:08] <macewan> linux.org may have links to such things martin_
[05:08] <Pozac> linuxdoc.org perhaps
[05:09] <pw> martin_: If you really, really, really want to "learn linux" then you should install Linux From Scratch.
[05:09] <bassinboy> Chibifs?
[05:09] <pw> None of that wussy hand-holding "distribution" nonsense.
[05:09] <etorix> o'reilly is always good
[05:09] <Blackwell> martin_: if available to you, consider installing linux in a vmware environment. allows for quickly testing various distros, etc. without any risk of destroying your existing pc configuration.
[05:09] <crimsun> re etorix
[05:09] <etorix> e
[05:09] <crimsun> grelli: patience, patience :)
[05:09] <etorix>  im on a ubuntu x64
[05:10] <grelli> crimsun I know, I've used debian for years
[05:10] <wood1> Ok bye to all
[05:10] <crimsun> bye wood1
[05:10] <wood1> bye
[05:10] <etorix> apt doesnt like my xfce4 sources
[05:10] <Pozac> good luck, wood1
[05:10] <wood1> Cheers to Ubuntu and this Chat room
[05:10] <mknisely> Looking for assistance installing a Sonicwall Long Range Wireless Card.
[05:10] <Pozac> Getting closer.. the term is channel :)
[05:11] <micsch> what happens if i uninstall ubuntu-desktop?
[05:11] <grelli> I know how things get
[05:11] <Pozac> micsch, nothing
[05:11] <micsch> realy
[05:11] <Pozac> micsch, ubuntu-desktop just depends on what the ubuntu desktop should contain
[05:11] <Pozac> so if you only remove that, it shouldnt change anything
[05:11] <crimsun> etorix: how is it complaining?
[05:11] <Pozac> unless the devs change how they want the desktop to be
[05:11] <mknisely> Can anyone assist with installing a Sonicwall Long Range Wireless card?
[05:11] <etorix> i tell a lie .. it sees it
[05:12] <Pozac> I had to uninstall ubuntu-desktop to install totem-xine
[05:12] <etorix> unless xfce4x64 is in ubuntu
[05:13] <mknisely> Soniwall Wirelss (802.11b) install help needed...
[05:15] <micsch> http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz
[05:15] <etorix> ok .. it was giving a ign at the beginning .. but its ok now
[05:16] <pw> http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/SenaoCard
[05:17] <pw> that may point you in the right direction viz: what the card really is
[05:17] <mknisely> the linux-wlan makes no mention of a Sonicwall Card.
[05:17] <pw> on the face of it, it looks like it's a prism2 based card.
[05:17] <mknisely> I know that it has a Prism2 chip.
[05:18] <mknisely> I must drop.... will return.
[05:19] <macewan> anyone upgraded to the latest alsa for sound blaster card use with 2.6.8?
[05:20] <etorix> o0o-er .. wot .. no gkrellm
[05:25] <garcia79> hi to all. why i cannot login as root? everytime i have to login as user and type "su" and password...
[05:25] <usual> garcia79, sudo
[05:26] <etorix> its not a bug .. its a feature ..  apparently
[05:26] <garcia79> i use sudo to do some operations on the system, but i use su to change to root...
[05:27] <usual> sudo -s
[05:27] <etorix> theres a howto in the manual
[05:27] <garcia79> sudo -s? oh thanks usual and etorix
[05:27] <usual> garcia79, sudo -s will drop you into a root shell
[05:27] <Aoi> Pozac^AFK, thanks dude, I had sucessfully set up
[05:28] <garcia79> i understand...thanks!
[05:29] <garcia79> i have another stupid ;-) question.
[05:30] <garcia79> how can i connect to the internet. I'm not kidding! i used pppoeconf to configure my connection ADSL, but now i' dont know how to connect...
[05:31] <usual> dunno
[05:31] <usual> i use cable
[05:31] <garcia79> excuse for my english
[05:31] <Gwildor|Work> my dsl just......worked
[05:31] <martin_> garcia79, are you using a router?
[05:31] <etorix> tried pon
[05:32] <Pozac> garcia79, does network-admin work?
[05:32] <garcia79> i think that my adsl modem is not a router...
[05:32] <garcia79> i try to explain me better....
[05:33] <garcia79> now i'm on line using ubuntu with my dsl modem
[05:33] <Pozac> garcia79, my adsl modem run DHCP, so I just use dhcpcd on my WAN interface :)
[05:34] <martin_> Pozac, i used synaptic to get codecs are whatever for music player to play mp3
[05:34] <martin_> i updated and installed whats it called hmmm...
[05:35] <garcia79> but i don't know how to connect... what command from terminal? i know it is a stupid question. i'm connceted but i don't now how i did
[05:35] <Pozac> martin_, I use xmms for mp3
[05:35] <martin_> well gst something
[05:35] <martin_> anyhow..
[05:35] <crimsun> martin_: gstreamer0.8-mad?
[05:35] <Pozac> garcia79, ifup eth0 perhaps?
[05:35] <martin_> crimsun, thats the one
[05:35] <martin_> :)
[05:36] <garcia79> no....
[05:36] <Pozac> gstreamer-mad enables rhythmbox and beep-media-player to play mp3s
[05:36] <crimsun> garcia79: pon ...?
[05:37] <martin_> now when i try to run music player, it gives me this error: failed to create the player: couldnt initialise scheduler gst-register?
[05:38] <martin_> crimsun*
[05:38] <garcia79> pon, yes... i build on the desktop a launcher for pon. but i was not sure...wait a moment please...
[05:38] <Pozac> garcia79, use the modem applet :)
[05:38] <martin_> pozac, any idea why it would give me that error?
[05:39] <Pozac> martin_, try running gst-register-0.8 in the terminal
[05:39] <martin_> heh thanks
[05:39] <martin_> :)
[05:39] <Pozac> np ;)
[05:40] <martin_> pozac, if i want to get bittorrent or bittornado for linux, how can i do that?
[05:40] <Pozac> martin_, it's in apt :)
[05:41] <martin_> synaptic?
[05:41] <Pozac> yep
[05:41] <crimsun> just Search for bittorrent, select it, then Apply
[05:41] <martin_> gui stands for graphic user interface?
[05:42] <Pozac> yep
[05:42] <Pozac> or sudo apt-get install bittorrent in terminal :)
[05:43] <martin_> whats this sudo thing?
[05:43] <martin_> i mean where does it come from?
[05:43] <martin_> or what does it represent
[05:43] <crimsun> it comes from OpenBSD
[05:44] <Pozac> SUperuser DO
[05:44] <crimsun> it allows you to run a command as a different user, by default the root user
[05:44] <martin_> oh cool
[05:44] <martin_> why do i want to run a command as a different user?
[05:44] <Pozac> you need to be in /etc/sudoers
[05:44] <Pozac> martin_, superuser
[05:44] <martin_> what are these etc/ libraries
[05:44] <crimsun> it's akin to the su(1) command but provides a command audit trail
[05:44] <martin_> i dont understand how these things work
[05:45] <Pozac> martin_, in /etc lies configuration files
[05:45] <Pozac> martin_, for easy backing up
[05:45] <martin_> ok . . .
[05:45] <crimsun> martin_: Ubuntu does not configure the 'root' user's account by default in an attempt to foster more secure administration methods
[05:45] <martin_> man isnt there a walkthrough for linux with all the commands and what you hsould start with?
[05:45] <martin_> whats this root thing
[05:45] <riffic> hey I figured out the resolution problem I was having yesterday
[05:45] <martin_> ?
[05:45] <Pozac> not really...
[05:46] <riffic> I edited xorg.conf for the monitor refresh rate settings..
[05:46] <Pozac> linux is generally not a toy, you need a purpose :)
[05:46] <paulproteus> martin_: http://www.physics.ubc.ca/mbelab/computer/linux-intro/html/ might help you
[05:46] <crimsun> martin_: therefore you'd preface a command with sudo to run the command as root, since many system administration tasks require root privileges
[05:46] <riffic> but I guess XFree86.conf takes precedence
[05:46] <riffic> and it needed the settings too
[05:46] <Pozac> Eating time. Later. :)
[05:46] <riffic> so if anyone cares that's how I fixed
[05:47] <Blackwell> riffic: document
[05:47] <martin_> cool .
[05:47] <Blackwell> that's the shame of irc, nothing of it goes into the archives, such as google and co. ;|
[05:47] <paulproteus> martin_: There's a lot of documentation out there on the web.  Googling is helpful.
[05:47] <paulproteus> Blackwell: That's why the most successful channels have wikis tied to them. :)
[05:48] <crimsun> Blackwell: bots can log if necessary, though we encourage wiki and mailing list use first and foremost
[05:48] <Blackwell> paulproteus: hm, feeding the logs into those wikis?
[05:48] <paulproteus> Blackwell: No, having users document what they discover on wikis.
[05:48] <Blackwell> who is actually sitting down and doing that kind of work? a few power helpers do, that's it in my experience. :|
[05:49] <paulproteus> Blackwell: Yeah, guess that's true.
[05:49] <crimsun> Blackwell: thus it is _everyone's_ job to encourage wiki and mailing list use
[05:49] <paulproteus> Blackwell: #joiito has a bot that lets any user blog.
[05:49] <Mojo_Jojo> anyone here know anyting about gnomemeeting?
[05:49] <paulproteus> Like:
[05:49] <Blackwell> paulproteus: and they actually do that? i can tell that the majority of the java newbie bozos don't give a funk. of course...they are only interested in getting their homework done and over with. ;)
[05:49] <paulproteus> ?blog I got (thing) to work by reading (URL)
[05:50] <paulproteus> Blackwell: Well, #joiito is a social channel, not a tech channel.
[05:50] <Blackwell> paulproteus: hm. "pubic hair is explained at ..."? ;) just kidding.
[05:50] <Blackwell> yay if it works. i have seen to many leeches on irc.
[05:52] <martin_> paulproteus, thanks.
[05:52] <martin_> xskoulax|zzzz, music workin well :)
[05:53] <martin_> paulproteus, i used synapt to get bittorent and installed it... how do i know where it is installed and how do i run it>
[05:53] <tck> has anyone used an infra-red device with warty ?
[05:53] <paulproteus> martin_: If you click on a dot-torrent file in Firefox it will open with BitTorrent.
[05:54] <Findeton> hi!
[05:54] <usual> man gstreamer sucks
[05:54] <amathis> what is a good program for scanning"?
[05:54] <Findeton> i got ubuntu installed
[05:54] <martin_> paulproteus, ok thanks... but how do i know where its installed?
[05:54] <paulproteus> In Synaptic, you can find the file list for a package.
[05:54] <crimsun> martin_: the Python scripts are installed into /usr/bin, as most executables and scripts are
[05:54] <Findeton> and, well, when i installed mldonkey... it got the 2.5-21 version, which is totally broken
[05:54] <paulproteus> Files in directories with "bin" in them are program parts.
[05:55] <Findeton> i installed via synaptic, i mean
[05:55] <Findeton> ...
[05:55] <martin_> crimsun, how do i get into those libraries?
[05:55] <paulproteus> btdownloadgui is the most straightforward to understand.
[05:55] <paulproteus> martin_: You run it on a terminal, like:
[05:55] <linux_mafia> amathis, scanning what?
[05:55] <paulproteus> btdownloadgui /path/to/file.torrent
[05:55] <amathis> linux_mafia: with a scanner o.,o
[05:56] <Findeton> i think the mldonkey version of ubuntu should be upgraded to a new one
[05:56] <linux_mafia> amathis, ok, was thinking nmap, use xsane
[05:56] <Findeton> ;)
[05:56] <Findeton> 2.5-28h for example
[05:56] <martin_> btdownloadgui? whats that?
[05:57] <etorix> an alternative to btdownloadcurses
[05:58] <martin_> that doesnt tell me much :)
[05:58] <crimsun> martin_: it has a graphical interface as opposed to a command line curses-based one.
[05:58] <crimsun> martin_: a window, icons, etc.
[05:59] <martin_> ah ok...
[05:59] <martin_> well thanks guys , bbl.
[05:59] <crimsun> martin_: ncurses is a terminal-based library, hence it's used for command-line applications
[06:00] <amathis> how can I see what devices ( usb) are connected to my puter'
[06:01] <crimsun> lsusb(1) reports all usb devices
[06:01] <crimsun> from that you can deduce which are connected
[06:01] <crimsun> there's also a program called usbview
[06:02] <crimsun> (in universe)
[06:02] <amathis> ugh
[06:02] <amathis> wtf
[06:02] <amathis> this scanner is hooked up
[06:02] <amathis> but xsane cannot figure it out :(
[06:02] <amathis> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 03f0:0801 Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 7400c
[06:11] <fender> tha_game|away:had any luck with dvdrip?
[06:12] <bassinboy> Chibifs?
[06:13] <fender> tha_game|away: did you find any infromation on dvdrip or any other program that could take audio from a dvd.
[06:14] <lkerscher> hi @ all
[06:14] <crimsun> 'lo
[06:14] <pisuke> http://kwiki.ffii.org/Cons041221En :)
[06:15] <fender> tha_game|away: are you there?
[06:15] <DoktorTomoe> Hi
[06:15] <lkerscher> i have a question: can I copy this sources (http://www.entropia.de/cms/pub/Main/LinuxStartSeite/sources.list.stable.internet) in my souces.list from ubuntu without any problems?
[06:16] <DoktorTomoe> Anyone knows what "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.9-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format" means?
[06:17] <crimsun> DoktorTomoe: what gave you that error?
[06:17] <DoktorTomoe> hm, i tried to modprobe ndiswrapper (to get wlan)
[06:18] <lkerscher> hello?
[06:18] <crimsun> DoktorTomoe: you're running Hoary?
[06:18] <crimsun> lkerscher: one sec.
[06:18] <DoktorTomoe> crimsun: Yes
[06:18] <lkerscher> okay thanks
[06:18] <crimsun> DoktorTomoe: checked bugzilla?
[06:19] <DoktorTomoe> crimsun: Where can I find it?
[06:19] <crimsun> DoktorTomoe: linked from the Ubuntu web site
[06:19] <anir> hey guys where can i get linspire??
[06:19] <crimsun> anir: from Linspire's home page, of course.
[06:19] <DoktorTomoe> Blackwell: I'm just trying to get this machine working :)
[06:19] <anir> crimsun: i am looking for a free distro
[06:19] <adbak> anir: ubuntu is a free distro
[06:20] <fender> need some help with extracting audio from a dvd, asked same question yesterday, some help offered from tha_game|away, but he doesn't seem to be online at the moment.
[06:20] <anir> crimsun: i have to pay for linspire...why??
[06:20] <crimsun> lkerscher: um, no, you cannot use that list in your sources.list without breaking many, many things.
[06:20] <anir> adbak: can i get linspire for free?
[06:20] <lkerscher> hm fuck
[06:20] <lkerscher> and any party of thislist?
[06:21] <crimsun> fender: do you have mplayer installed?
[06:21] <adbak> anir: i have no clue, but go to distrowatch.com and there's a little drop-down menu.  find linspire on it and it will tell you the website for linspire
[06:21] <Blackwell> anir: some companies make money off of putting together a very ease to use linux distribution. if you don't want to pay for them, that's ok.
[06:21] <fender> can't get mplayer to work, or dvdrip or transcode or fffmpeg, real problem i'm having.
[06:22] <anir> adbek: i searched.. it charges $20.. but i am from India.. so its impossible for me to pay
[06:22] <crimsun> lkerscher: it's not a good idea to randomly add sources.
[06:22] <anir> hey all u linux guys listen..
[06:22] <lkerscher> okay so I have to search some promgrams manually?
[06:22] <crimsun> lkerscher: furthermore, those aren't necessary for Ubuntu, which includes most of those packages in either main, universe, or multiverse repos
[06:23] <anir> i have seen some problems with linux...
[06:23] <fender> can't get mplayer to work, or dvdrip or transcode or fffmpeg, real problem i'm having.
[06:23] <anir> you guys should look into these
[06:23] <crimsun> lkerscher: you should enable the universe and multiverse repos in Synaptic if you want some of those packages. Ubuntu already includes most of them.
[06:23] <[Phaedrus] > hey guys
[06:23] <anir> why Linux uses multiple GUI???
[06:23] <[Phaedrus] > i have a question
[06:24] <lkerscher> hm and how to do that?
[06:24] <crimsun> lkerscher: that package list was written for Debian Woody. Ubuntu Warty is much newer than Debian Woody.
[06:24] <[Phaedrus] > anyone have any idea how to setup a Motorola SM56 PCI modem in ubuntu?
[06:24] <adbak> crimsun: for multiverse do you just copy the universe repo and replace uni- with multi-?
[06:24] <[Phaedrus] > it seems that ubuntu recognises it under 'device settings'
[06:24] <crimsun> lkerscher: follow the instructions for Restricted formats on the wiki.
[06:24] <anir> listen to me..
[06:24] <adbak> anir: for choices.  some people like one over another.  some work better on older machines
[06:24] <Blackwell> anir: because people can't agree on a single one. if you want less choice, consider sticking to windows or better mac.
[06:24] <lkerscher> okay
[06:24] <lkerscher> thank you
[06:24] <crimsun> adbak: you could do that, sure. You can also enable it in Synaptic.
[06:25] <anir> i am not talking about me only.. i am talking about the average home users..
[06:25] <adbak> crimsun: but there is no multiverse repo when you install ubuntu.  you have to manually add it
[06:25] <crimsun> the average home user will be pleased with GNOME 2.8
[06:25] <crimsun> hence its selection as a default desktop for Warty
[06:25] <anir> many of home pc users dont want to install linux because its less  user friendly..
[06:25] <crimsun> adbak: that's the idea
[06:26] <crimsun> adbak: it shouldn't be "installed" by default. A small subset of fully-supported packages is good.
[06:26] <anir> the question is not Independence to CHOOSE its independence to NOT have to choose
[06:26] <crimsun> anir: GNOME 2.8 is hardly user-friendly.
[06:27] <adbak> crimsun: yes, i agree, i was just trying to say that i can't enable it in synaptic cuz i don't have it in my sources.list
[06:27] <crimsun> err, user-unfriendly.
[06:27] <crimsun> adbak: it should be in your sources.list by default, just commented out
[06:27] <Blackwell> anir: if you don't want to choose, there are options you can...erh...choose that are good for that state of mind.
[06:28] <DoktorTomoe> crimsun: this ndiswrapper problem is not mentioned in bugzilla. Given the information I have is relatively small ("does not work"), is in really good to file a bug report?
[06:28] <lkerscher> sorry but which is that wiki-adress?
[06:28] <adbak> anir: linux, in general, may be less user-friendly, but that gap is quickly being closed.  not to mention some (avg home users) are scared off because of the learning curve. they're used to their windows
[06:28] <crimsun> lkerscher: also linked from Ubuntu's web site.
[06:28] <Blackwell> anir: you may have "standardization" in mind. i agree that standardization in the way of windows and mac os x is important and good. but you won't find many fans of that among unix people.
[06:28] <Blackwell> bsd people on the other hand....enjoy the fruits of standardization every single day, too.
[06:28] <crimsun> DoktorTomoe: it's your call, really, but Hoary _is_ a moving target, and things are expected to break. You could wait a couple days and see if linux-image-2.6.9-1-386 is updated again.
[06:29] <anir> crimsun: see .. an average user dont want to keep trying a newer version of OS everyother day.... what i get in KDE i get diferent feel in GNOME..
[06:29] <crimsun> anir: do you expect the average user to try every available desktop environment?
[06:30] <crimsun> anir: or do you think (s)he will stick with one that works, one that is aesthetically-pleasing, and one that is efficient?
[06:30] <crimsun> anir: for instance, by choosing to try both KDE and GNOME, you've already crossed outside the definition of the "average" home user. Your expectations of the "average" home user thus are irrelevant.
[06:31] <anir> crimsun:..indeed they dont..well i want to solve problems with the computer.. not create.. right..
[06:31] <DoktorTomoe> anir: What exactly is your problem in choosing one of the GUIs?
[06:31] <DoktorTomoe> anir: Just choose the one which most of the applications you want to use are written for. That's KDE for me,
[06:32] <[Phaedrus] > anyone have any idea how to setup a Motorola SM56 PCI modem in ubuntu?
[06:32] <anir> crimsun: thats what i am trying to say.. i am confused which one suits me best..there are so many linux os.. but without any stahdard..like for eg.. windows or OS x uses only one GUI
[06:32] <DoktorTomoe> anir: I didn't want to sound harsh or impolite, but I really do not understand your problem...
[06:33] <Blackwell> anir: that is the problem with linux. if you don't like so much choice...there isn't much that can be done about it.
[06:34] <anir> doktortomoe: i am trying 3 different linux os from last one week or so.. in search of which one suits me best.. but why should i invest all the time??
[06:34] <anir> blackwell: do u think its good?
[06:34] <DoktorTomoe> anir: If you actually have been trying 3 different distributions (please do not call them OS), why have you done it?
[06:35] <anir> coz this time i had the time..why should someone who is busy like hell should do it doktortomoe
[06:35] <adbak> anir: if the abundance of choices is not pleasing, you can always accept the defaults
[06:36] <Blackwell> anir: to have choice? yes, to have choice is good. however, in the java software development field there is often too much (dubious) choice, and it actually hurts people. what you should consider perhaps it to ignore everything that is not mainstream. that helps to cut away of lot of first level choices.
[06:37] <DoktorTomoe> anir: Actually, I am busy like hell (IT Freelancer), but I know what I want, and how to get it. And I know how to obtain the software I need. Therefore, I do not really invest time, unless I think it is important.
[06:37] <Blackwell> anir: you seem to assume that all the linux distros out there are made for one particular group of users. that is however not so. if you are in a hurry, you don't have time to learn something new. so let a consultant tell you what you need or get what you already know. if you are unhappy with the stuff you already know...linux is in the box of options again.
[06:37] <DoktorTomoe> anir: Important could mean "hazzlefree in respect of malware" for John User
[06:38] <anir> guys i think lindows is a good choice for me.. but i dont want to invest some money to try it..
[06:38] <anir> now comes ELX..
[06:38] <Blackwell> anir: then don't. don't buy the cat in the sack.
[06:38] <Blackwell> (as we say in germany)
[06:39] <Blackwell> anir: besides, who will help you with lindows? lindows is by far, far, far NOT linux mainstream.
[06:39] <DoktorTomoe> anir: See, this is choice - you choose not to. now you have options left. (btw: any other germans in here?=
[06:39] <Blackwell> anir: in other words: you are about to get yourself a freak linux distro. i advise against that.
[06:39] <[Phaedrus] > guys... guys.... let it go... i'm sure the man can make his own choices
[06:39] <anir> blackwell: is lindows is not good???
[06:40] <etorix_> you should never have to pay for a linux ..
[06:40] <Blackwell> anir: do you know anyone who uses it?
[06:40] <Blackwell> etorix: bullshit
[06:40] <DoktorTomoe> anir: Lindows would be the WindowsXP of Linux if SuSE wasn't in existance.
[06:40] <bob2> chill dudes
[06:40] <adbak> anir: if you want a popular distro that does not offer much choice and is user-friendly, try Fedora (http://fedora.redhat.com) or Mandrake
[06:40] <Blackwell> if the distro is good and meets your requirements, it can be easily worth twice the price of an xp server license. :)
[06:40] <DoktorTomoe> etorix_: I really am willing to pay for a linux if it was well configured for my needs.
[06:40] <etorix_> so am i
[06:40] <Blackwell> DoktorTomoe: right on :)
[06:41] <Blackwell> so was i...when i decided to buy mandrake...
[06:41] <Blackwell> and then i found out they don't have any "pay on delivery" options in germany. :)
[06:41] <DoktorTomoe> etorix_: my time is valuable too, and if I save more on time than on linux, I'll get my money
[06:42] <Hutch192> Hi all. anybody know how to upgrade to Firefox 1.0 ?
[06:42] <anir> but the problem i am getting here is .. i have not been able to play mpeg4  files in UBUNTU..in other one i may not be able to run DVD
[06:42] <Tyche> You would have to use Hoary
[06:42] <etorix_> i repeat .. you should never have to pay for a linux ..
[06:42] <DoktorTomoe> Hutch192: I just downloaded it from firefox and ran the installer as root...
[06:42] <bob2> etorix_: this seems kinda off-topic
[06:42] <anir> hutch192: go to there site
[06:42] <bob2> anir: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:42] <bob2> anir: it's in the FAQ...
[06:42] <anir> bob2: i have done everything given there
[06:43] <Tyche> Anyone use a easy to use powerful CMS that would be good for a personal site?
[06:43] <DoktorTomoe> anir: Where is the problem? I got vlc installes pretty easy. It now plays virtually any file format.
[06:43] <bob2> anir: I can play mpeg-4 files fine
[06:43] <adbak> anir: what do you use to play movies?
[06:43] <Hutch192> DoktorTomoe: so did i. but i turned to be version 0.9.6
[06:43] <bob2> Tyche: drupal is kinda cool, but php
[06:43] <DoktorTomoe> Hutch: you might want to change the link firefox in /usr/bin
[06:44] <anir> doktortomoe: i have vlc too.. it too does not play anything.. says the pulgin needed to handle the movie is not available
[06:44] <pisuke> bye
[06:44] <adbak> anir: have you tried gxine?
[06:44] <DoktorTomoe> anir: are you sure you installed correctly?
[06:44] <Hutch192> DoktorTomoe: i did that too.
[06:44] <anir> yes i did
[06:44] <Hutch192> DoktorTomoe: i mean if there is a .deb package for ff 1.0
[06:44] <Tyche> PHP is good thing, bob2
[06:45] <anir> i tried totem-xine and vlc
[06:45] <bob2> anir: can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1'?
[06:45] <bob2> Tyche: in insecure-land, maybe ;-)
[06:45] <DoktorTomoe> Hutch192: Which directory did you install ff 1.0 to? (I am not aware of an ff1.0-deb)
[06:45] <Tyche> bob2, and what is a good secure alternative? asp? =)
[06:45] <Hutch192> DoktorTomoe: /usr/local/Firefox/
[06:45] <jpvcx> Hutch192: ubuntu-backport should have it.... i think.
[06:45] <DoktorTomoe> Tyche: have you heard of PERL?
[06:45] <bob2> Tyche: perl, python, ruby
[06:45] <adbak> Hutch192: there's Ffx 1.0 in the ubuntu bakcports repo
[06:46] <bob2> erk, I really wouldn't trust the 'backports' repository
[06:46] <bob2> Hutch192: what's the killer feature 1.0 has that you want?
[06:46] <Tyche> DoktorTomoe: Yea, do I know how to use it. No. Is there a CMS that would use any of those?
[06:46] <zenwhen> they work fine on all the machines I have used them on
[06:46] <anir> bob2: how will i get the output? in the terminal?
[06:46] <bob2> anir: yes.
[06:46] <zenwhen> which would be 9 machines all running stock warty
[06:46] <thisfred> Tyche: zope uses python
[06:46] <Hutch192> bob2: RSS.
[06:47] <thisfred> Tyche: and there are a number of CMS'es built on top of Zope
[06:47] <bob2> like plone!
[06:47] <zenwhen> I don;t see the reason to bash projects that are meant to give people access to the applications they want.
[06:47] <bob2> zenwhen: I'm not bashing anything, I'm just a bit concerned about how it started
[06:47] <anir> bob2: can u type the command again plz
[06:47] <bob2> 03:45:03           bob2 | anir: can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1'?
[06:48] <thisfred> like Plone indeed, or CPS, or Silva (disclaimer: I work for Infrae, the company that made Silva)
[06:48] <DoktorTomoe> Hm, anyone got an idea how I change a distro on a webserver remotely? (Dont want suse, want debian)
[06:48] <zenwhen> bob2, I was just stating that the backports project hosts some quality debs.
[06:48] <zenwhen> No biggie. :P
[06:48] <bob2> DoktorTomoe: you don't
[06:48] <anir> is there a space between libavcodec2 and | and tail ?? bob2
[06:48] <bob2> anir: doesn't matter
[06:49] <anir> its says command not found bob2
[06:49] <bob2> zenwhen: well, if you say so...
[06:49] <bob2> anir: er, are you sure you didn't make a typo?
[06:49] <DoktorTomoe> bob2: I thought I've seen it before. I didn't care at that point of time, however.
[06:50] <macewan> off hand does anyone know the correct sources.list for debian unstable?
[06:50] <bob2> DoktorTomoe: there's debtakeover, but I really really wouldn't do that on a machine that's actually needed
[06:50] <anir> it says bash: dpkg-l: command not found; bash:tail-nl: command not found bob2
[06:50] <bob2> anir: please read what I wrote again
[06:50] <ACID|net> when using samba, how can u view the share as a different user??
[06:50] <bob2> *carefully*
[06:51] <ACID|net> share on the windows machine
[06:51] <anir> bob2 typo?
[06:51] <bob2> anir: you made at least two typoes
[06:51] <crimsun> macewan: for what repo?
[06:51] <anir> bob2: what is typoes?
[06:51] <bob2> anir: ? just type what I wrote originally, without removing any of the space I had
[06:52] <Blackwell> "typing is smotheing i dno't konw how to do porprley"
[06:52] <Blackwell> "typo" is very related.
[06:52] <anir> bob2: whth the colons?? '  '
[06:52] <macewan> grabbing newer version of alsa - someone recommend unstable
[06:52] <bob2> anir: ? just cut and paste what I said
[06:53] <crimsun> macewan: are you running Warty or Hoary?
[06:53] <macewan> warty
[06:53] <crimsun> macewan: 1.0.6 should be new "enough". Any reason you need Sid/Hoary's 1.0.7?
[06:53] <anir> bob2: bash: dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1?: command not found
[06:53] <crimsun> (fwiw, there are a few alsa-lib problems with 1.0.7)
[06:54] <bob2> anir: I didn't type that
[06:54] <bob2> 03:47:48           bob2 | 03:45:03           bob2 | anir: can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1'?
[06:54] <macewan> 1.0.6? I'm seeing 1.0.5
[06:55] <[Phaedrus] > Anybody have any idea how good Audacity is?
[06:55] <crimsun> macewan: are you referring to alsa-driver or alsa-lib?
[06:55] <macewan> driver
[06:55] <crimsun> [Phaedrus] : I find it more than adequate for my needs
[06:55] <crimsun> macewan: apt-cache policy alsa-source
[06:55] <crimsun> macewan: sudo apt-get install alsa-source && more /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[06:56] <macewan> 1.0.5a is what I'm seeing
[06:56] <macewan> for the source
[06:56] <crimsun> macewan: for 'alsa-source'?
[06:56] <[Phaedrus] > thanks crimsun
[06:56] <macewan> yup
[06:56] <crimsun> macewan: from the 'universe' repo?
[06:56] <anir> bob2: you plz type exactly what i will type on the terminal screen..please
[06:56] <bob2> I have, 3 times
[06:57] <adbak> anir: are you in the correct directory?
[06:57] <anir> bob2: lol yea.. but i am a kinda dump
[06:57] <bob2> there is no correct directory
[06:57] <macewan> let me double
[06:57] <macewan> yes, from universe
[06:57] <anir> adbak: how will i know which one is my correct directory
[06:58] <bob2> the directory doesn't matter
[06:58] <adbak> bob2 said there isn't one
[06:58] <adbak> i was just throwing out suggestions
[06:58] <anir> :)
[06:58] <anir> bob2: please..
[06:58] <bob2> ?
[06:58] <bob2> I pasted it 3 times
[06:59] <macewan> just a sec. brb
[06:59] <anir> ok i will type... sudo dpkg-l libavcodec2|til-nl?...right?
[06:59] <anir> bob2
[07:00] <krischan> guys, an XMMS-related question: how do I enable XMMS to play back MIDI files? I heard about the 'xmms-midi' plugin, but I can't find it in Ubuntu's repos.
[07:02] <anir> bob2: can u help me?
[07:02] <andy> hi guys... i just installed Ubuntu onto my pismo powerbook and during installation I made my ethernet port the default networking port.  however it didn't seem to install support for my airport card though.  how do i go about installing that as well?
[07:03] <Blackwell> anir: you can have someone remotely look over your shoulder, too, in case this is somehow not working out.
[07:03] <Blackwell> pick someone willing to help and make sure to only allow looking, not actual controlling of your desktop.
[07:03] <bob2> andy: just load the airport module and then use iwconfig
[07:03] <Blackwell> bbl
[07:03] <anir> blackwell: will u help me?
[07:04] <bob2> 03:54:26           bob2 | 03:47:48           bob2 | 03:45:03           bob2 | anir: can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1'?
[07:04] <bob2> run that command
[07:04] <CheatersRealm> is there an unofficial ubuntu website that people find to be helpufl?
[07:04] <adbak> krischan: i don't know what plugin is needed for xmms, but tse3play is a midi players
[07:04] <andy> bob2: how do I find the airport module? via terminal?
[07:05] <anir> bob2: when i copy and paste everything.. from 03:54...till -nl'?.. it gives command not found
[07:05] <bob2> andy: modprobe airport, yes
[07:05] <andy> thanks :)
[07:05] <bob2> andy: dude, you're not copying what I wrote
[07:05] <adbak> youre welcome
[07:05] <bob2> er, anir
[07:05] <crimsun> macewan: it is not recommended that you randomly add the Sid binary packages line to /etc/apt/sources.list. Much weeping and gnashing of teeth may ensue. Instead, you may be able to grab the package from Sid's pool manually and install it.
[07:05] <bob2> anir: please just cut and paste it carefully
[07:05] <anir> bob2: whtever i am typing it says command not found..
[07:06] <andy> bob2: huh? not copying it?
[07:06] <adbak> do you need to be superuser?
[07:06] <bob2> andy: not talking to you
[07:06] <bob2> adbak: no
[07:06] <andy> lol, k
[07:06] <adbak> bob2, you have your hands full
[07:06] <adbak> :
[07:06] <adbak> :)
[07:06] <Tyche> Thanks for your feedback.
[07:07] <Tyche> I'm going to download and do some testing on these CMS. Are any of them in warty?
[07:07] <bob2> drupal is
[07:07] <anir> thats why i dont want to use linux
[07:07] <bob2> just stayaway from the *nukes
[07:07] <anir> it makes u frastrated
[07:07] <bob2> anir: well, you're not copying what I said
[07:07] <Tyche> anir it is worth it.
[07:07] <bob2> the command I showed you to use works fine
[07:08] <anir> bob2: i am simply copying it
[07:08] <etorix_> worked here too
[07:08] <Tyche> bob2, agreed I don't like the *nukes.
[07:08] <bob2> anir: well, I'm not sure what's going on then, since it works for me and etorix_, and what you're showing me is not what I typed
[07:08] <andy> bob2: sorry to be a pain, but "modprobe airport" didn't seem to do anything
[07:08] <etorix_> un  libavcodec2    <none>         (no description available)
[07:09] <Tyche> bob2, Still learning debian. Once I install drupal, where do I find docs? Or where did it get installed to?
[07:09] <anir> bob2: do i have to use 'sudo'?
[07:09] <bob2> andy: it just loads the module, then you need to configure it...
[07:09] <bob2> andy: no
[07:09] <bob2> anir: no
[07:09] <crimsun> Tyche: /usr/share/doc/drupal/* ?
[07:10] <bob2> andy: 'iwconfig' is the command you want
[07:10] <bassinboy> Chibifs?
[07:10] <CheeseMapping> I'm about to make one of those snap decisions.  should be fun
[07:10] <anir> bob2:i will paste.....03:54:26           bob2 | 03:47:48           bob2 | 03:45:03           bob2 | anir: can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1'?...then i will press enter..right?
[07:11] <bob2> anir: no, just the bit I put in quotes
[07:11] <Cheese> Does ubuntu have good package management?
[07:11] <bob2> if you don't understand something someone says to you, it's much much much much easier if you just say so
[07:11] <etorix_> apt
[07:11] <crimsun> Cheese: excellent. It's based on Debian.
[07:11] <bob2> Cheese: of course, it's based on Debian
[07:11] <etorix_> i <3 apt
[07:11] <Cheese> great. I'm SO there.
[07:11] <nomasteryoda> CheatersRealm, yea... ubuntuforums
[07:11] <Cheese> time to snag an ISO and a CD
[07:11] <anir> bob2:okay i will paste.... 'dpkg -l libavcodec2 | tail -n1'? and  press enter...okay this time??
[07:12] <Cheese> Debian irritated me because the liveCD and actual install didn't support my 160gb hd for no apparent reason.
[07:12] <bob2> debian doesn't have a live cd
[07:12] <Cheese> the install disc is one
[07:12] <CheatersRealm> thx nomasteryoda
[07:12] <bob2> no it's not
[07:12] <etorix_> harddly
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> np
[07:12] <Tyche> crimsun: It is there, thank you. Doesn't say anything about the debian install. Does synaptic just put it on the machine and then you install it like the instructions say? moving and copying, setting up DB, etc.
[07:12] <bob2> anir: without the quotes, yes
[07:12] <Cheese> it boots into linux to install. imo, it's a livecd
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> bob2, noobs
[07:13] <etorix_> no its not
[07:13] <crimsun> Tyche: I presume so; the README*s will be more helpful.
[07:13] <bob2> nomasteryoda: 'noobs'?
[07:13] <Cheese> course, by that definition, that'd make everything a liveCD, so that probobly is wrong
[07:13] <crimsun> Cheese: a live CD is more along the lines of Knoppix or Ubuntu's livecd or MandrakeMove
[07:13] <anir> bob2:  okay i am giving you the out put..
[07:13] <anir> bob2: tail: 1?: invalid number of lines
[07:13] <anir> No packages found matching libavcodec2.
[07:13] <bob2> ok then
[07:14] <Cheese> crimsun, I present to you the following: Gentoo calls their install discs liveCDs
[07:14] <crimsun> Cheese: good thing this isn't Gentoo (the distro), eh? :)
[07:14] <Tyche> cruimsun: Thanks, I will keep searching.
[07:14] <anir> so bob2 what should i do?
[07:15] <bob2> Cheese: gentoo says lots of things that may or may not be sensible ;-)
[07:15] <Cheese> bob2: very true
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> bob2, the Debian "liveCD"
[07:16] <bob2> anir: erm, I think you should read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats again and make sure you followedthe instructions correctly
[07:16] <Cheese> crimsun: compiling everything was a learning experience.  I learned that on a 450mhz box it takes a while, and that the Gentoo_Mirrors aren't always up to date
[07:16] <Cheese> that gets REALLY old REALLY fast
[07:17] <ixane> that's better.
[07:17] <anir> bob2: do i need to install libavcodec2?
[07:17] <ixane> wow. I'm getting a fast torrent too!
[07:18] <ixane> once I installed new network modules in XP it stopped blue-screening after 20 mins
[07:18] <ixane> blah. XP.
[07:18] <anir> guys why did you say that lindows is not linux?
[07:19] <netmole> hi all
[07:19] <bob2> anir: you really followed all the instructions on that page?
[07:19] <anir> yes i did bob2
[07:19] <bob2> well, I'm not sure what to suggest...I followed them and can play mpeg-4 fine
[07:20] <anir> bob2: let me check again..
[07:21] <zenwhen> Doesn;t Lindows run as root?
[07:21] <zenwhen> Doesn't*
[07:21] <bob2> everything, yes
[07:21] <zenwhen> ha
[07:21] <zenwhen> yeah, Id say thats good enough of a reason to say its not quite Linux alone
[07:23] <Pozac> They should have named it Linux 98 instead
[07:23] <anir> under which section i will see bob2
[07:23] <bob2> anir: see what?
[07:23] <anir> for mpeg4 files.. under wiki/restricted formats
[07:24] <bob2> er, didn't you say you'd already read it?
[07:24] <netmole> i will participate as translator for Ubuntu linux in my native language czech
[07:25] <netmole> how i contact responsible preson ?
[07:25] <trukulo> netmole, look for rosetta, if you want
[07:25] <trukulo> you can translate projects there directly
[07:25] <smurfix> netmole: Are there any ubuntu-specific czech Web pages etc.?
[07:25] <anir> i want to try lindows but
[07:25] <anir> lets what this has to offer..
[07:25] <anir> its good if its windows like
[07:26] <netmole> no i didnt see nothing
[07:26] <anir> linspire..
[07:26] <bob2> netmole: the ubuntu-doc list would be a good place to talk to people about that
[07:26] <netmole> i order cd by cd shipping system
[07:27] <netmole> ok
[07:27] <netmole> i go there
[07:28] <anir> bob2: what is the meaning of there is no plugin to handle the movie??
[07:28] <bob2> anir: you need to provide waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more context
[07:28] <bob2> but if you can't play a movie generally, don't expect to be able to play it in a browser
[07:28] <scizzo> anir: you haven't read the information on the site if you don't know that
[07:28] <bob2> I'd suggesting reading the wiki page again and making sure you've understood it all
[07:28] <scizzo> anir: "These formats are patent-encumbered. If you do not require compatibility with MPEG-4 players, consider Ogg Theora."
[07:29] <anir> i have too see in " where to get other legally  questionable package" ..bob2 scizzo
 anir: "These formats are patent-encumbered
[07:29] <fhsioe> oh
[07:30] <bob2> you need to read the section on the page that explains how to install mplayer or gxine or such
[07:30] <scizzo> anir: maybe you should start to learn about patent and stuff also
[07:30] <fhsioe> i hope software patents in europe to stay as now, illegal
[07:30] <fhsioe> ;)
[07:31] <anir> do i need to install libdvdcss2??
[07:31] <fhsioe> because otherways it's a chaos
[07:31] <bob2> if you want to play dvds, yes
[07:31] <bob2> have you really read that page?
[07:31] <bob2> we can't help you unless you tell us what you're doing
[07:31] <anir> no i want to play only vcds..bob2
[07:31] <bob2> a vcd does not contain mpeg-4
[07:32] <anir> bob2: i have installed w32codecs
[07:32] <scizzo> OMG!
[07:32] <anir> i want to play mpg files.. bob2
[07:32] <scizzo> anir: 1. add the sources to synaptic
[07:32] <scizzo> anir: 2. reload the package information
[07:32] <scizzo> anir: 3. Search for the packages mentioned on the wiki
[07:32] <bob2> anir: okease just tell us if you've read the page or not
[07:32] <eim> Anyone is running Warty on a server machine? I'm considering to replace my Woody with Warty on my main server.
[07:32] <scizzo> anir: 4. Mark them and install them....and try to play things again
[07:32] <zloy> I want to install JDK. What is the better location for it. And where is it better to update environment?
[07:33] <bob2> eim: yes
[07:33] <eim> bob2: Works fine?
[07:33] <anir> scizzo: its given only for mplayer..nothing for totem
[07:33] <bob2> yes
[07:33] <bob2> anir: the page explains that, too
[07:33] <bob2> totem-xine
[07:34] <anir> i have installed totem-xine bob2
[07:34] <eim> bob2: Fine. I'm deciding between reinstalling the whole system or just upgrading to Warty.
[07:36] <anir> guys let me tell you .. i am trying to play a file with .dat extension
[07:37] <rhodan> hello thar
[07:39] <rhodan> can anybody please help me installing a new theme in ubuntu that i've downloaded from gnome-look ?
[07:39] <trukulo> anir: try in console totem file.dat
[07:39] <anir> i dont know what the heck i am doing... i am totally lost..
[07:40] <anir> trukulo: tell me how
[07:41] <trukulo> open a console
[07:41] <rhodan> anyone?
[07:41] <trukulo> terminal, if you understand it
[07:41] <anir> trukulo: how do i open a console?
[07:41] <anir> yes terminal
[07:42] <trukulo> rhodan: open System -> Desktop preferences -> theme
[07:42] <trukulo> in terminal
[07:42] <trukulo> write totem /path/to/file.dat
[07:42] <trukulo> where /path/to , is where you have .dat
[07:42] <anir> then trukulo
[07:43] <rhodan> trukulo: yes I have been there, but when I select the file i downloaded nothing happens
[07:45] <anir> trukulo nothing is working
[07:45] <martin_> help: i installed bittornado and i downloaded a quake3 torrent and it wont run
[07:46] <trukulo> rhodan, do you see: "install theme" button?
[07:46] <trukulo> anir, what error do you have?
[07:46] <ACID|net> whats the url to get new gnome themes??
[07:46] <trukulo> ACID|net, art.gnome.org is one of them
[07:47] <rhodan> truluko: yes
[07:47] <trukulo> rhodan, use it
[07:47] <anir> trukulo.. now its playing
[07:47] <anir> trukulo: but i have to tell the picture quality is not as good as XP pro
[07:47] <rhodan> trukulo: tried, does not work
[07:47] <trukulo> rhodan, what file do you have? tar.gz or tar.bz2 ?
[07:48] <rhodan> trukulo: tar.gz
[07:48] <trukulo> anir, why it's better?
[07:48] <trukulo> rhodan, look in detailed
[07:48] <trukulo> what's theme for? gtk? metacity? icons?
[07:49] <anir> trukulo: i dont know why.. i am an unbiased commentator
[07:49] <trukulo> anir, in my system i can see it very well
[07:51] <rhodan> trukulo: thank you it now loaded the theme, however the icons do not load, do they have to go anywhere specific ? it's gtk2
[07:51] <trukulo> icons are another download
[07:51] <tritium> Are the python-fixedpoint and python-mpz packages being permanently removed from Hoary?
[07:51] <trukulo> themes are separated in three, gtk, metacity and icons
[07:52] <rhodan> trukulo: ok, but in this archive file there is a directory called icons
[07:52] <trukulo> but i think it's for controls
[07:52] <trukulo> try open nautilus
[07:52] <anir> trukulo:may be i need some plugins
[07:52] <anir> ??
[07:52] <trukulo> and look control icons (open, save...)
[07:53] <trukulo> anir, if it works, it works
[07:53] <trukulo> don't know what your problems are, need more feedback if you want help
[07:53] <anir> trukulo: thank u very much
[07:54] <trukulo> you're wellcome
[07:56] <anir> its a headache that everytime i have to download  from the net
[07:57] <anir> nowif i dont have internet connection... i cant use ubuntu??
[07:57] <anir> that means ububtu is only for the net connected poeples??
[07:57] <woodysanay> hi to all
[07:58] <anir> plz comment guys
[07:58] <xelerated> ubuntu owns!
[07:58] <xelerated> finally a debian distro without the headaches
[07:58] <anir> owns??
[07:59] <anir> xelerated: think you dont have internet connection.. is it worth having Ubuntu??
[07:59] <xelerated> yes its worth it
[07:59] <anir> to an extent linux  sux
[07:59] <Amaranth> ...
[07:59] <anir> xelerated: how??
[07:59] <xelerated> and to a greater extent windows sucks
[08:00] <JStrike> No version of linux is all that great without an internet connection
[08:00] <trukulo> anir, what if you have only a windows cd a unplugged computer?
[08:00] <trukulo> do you think windows is good?
[08:00] <anir> xelerated: how will you get the softwares if you dont have net connected??
[08:00] <xelerated> anir, what do you mean how? you can do word processing, lots of games, all sorts of stuff
[08:00] <JStrike> Windows is by far a better option if you dont have an internet connection
[08:00] <xelerated> you are on line right now.... why not download it now
[08:01] <trukulo> JStrike, how? playing solitaire and writing with wordpad?
[08:01] <anir> xelerated: i can atleast play movie, play games and do all sort of things without downloading any softwares from the net in windows
[08:01] <xelerated> yea and i can play movies and play all sorts of games in linux without getting online
[08:01] <jdub> anir: now you're starting to define the issue :)
[08:02] <jdub> anir: the problem here is that, for various reasons, FOSS is locked out of a lot of multimedia formats and protocols
[08:02] <trukulo> anir, what games? solitaire and pinball? great
[08:02] <anir> but in ububtu i have to download from the net only to configure my system...
[08:02] <JStrike> trukulo : What are you on about? No. If you buy a cd, or someone gives you a program, with dependency resolution, linux is pretty useless
[08:02] <jpvcx> anir: sure, try playing .ogm files in a fresh windows xp install
[08:02] <jdub> anir: so in large part, we cannot use these things easily on linux
[08:03] <trukulo> JStrike, if anyone gives you a program for windows, that depends on directx9b , and you don't have it... what?
[08:03] <jdub> anir: for the more technically minded, there are ways around this, but it involves downloading software because none of it can be shipped with Ubuntu itself for legal reasons
[08:03] <trukulo> it's the same problem
[08:03] <anir> take for example ... i am downloading 200MB from yesterday..
[08:03] <trukulo> i agree with jdub
[08:03] <trukulo> problems you're talking about have patent and copyright problems
[08:03] <rhodan> trukulo: thanks for your help with the theme
[08:03] <JStrike> trukulo : Seems to come with almost anything that needs it
[08:04] <trukulo> in ubuntu you have alternatives, just use them
[08:04] <jdub> anir: are you using warty or hoary?
[08:04] <trukulo> JStrike, i disagree
[08:04] <anir> jdub i am using warty
[08:04] <trukulo> you are talking about windows AND a lot of software installed after installation
[08:04] <jdub> anir: ok, so those are the initial security updates available for warty
[08:04] <trukulo> software, that it's system separatedly distributed
[08:04] <anir> and belive me.. it requires a lot of time to do this..
[08:05] <tritium> JStrike, windows never has the tools I need, internet connection or not.
[08:05] <trukulo> anir, but it's only one time installation, upgrades are clean
[08:05] <anir> but see in windows.. you will get all the required software in the installing cd only
[08:06] <trukulo> jdub, he's talking about marillat repos
[08:06] <jdub> anir: you get all the required software from the CD only with ubuntu too, but you have additional needs
[08:06] <ACID|net> in samba client, i want to change a directory which has spares - how do i do it??? IMPORTANT
[08:06] <JStrike> tritium : I haven't used windows in a long time, but back then, I never came across dependency issues, such as you will have on linux without an internet connection
[08:06] <anir> thats why people hasitates to install linux.. as my rommie said
[08:07] <trukulo> JStrike, if you have repos on cd's with depends, you have no problems
[08:07] <trukulo> same as windows
[08:07] <trukulo> programs in windows come with depends
[08:07] <JStrike> trukulo : Rubish
[08:07] <tritium> JStrike, you were just less aware of the DLL hell under the hood with windows
[08:07] <trukulo> JStrike, think what you want
[08:07] <anir> i dont know.. but other than being a bit stable...i dont find any advantages in linux over windows
[08:08] <trukulo> anir, perhaps, you need to read more about linux then
[08:08] <JStrike> If someone hands you a cd with a modern game, you can be pretty sure it will run on windows. Not the same with linux
[08:08] <jdub> anir: that's ok :)
[08:08] <trukulo> what about free software advantage?
[08:08] <tritium> JStrike, try installing yahoo messenger or something similar without the latest Internet Explorer if you want dependency hell in windows
[08:08] <xelerated> i was just showing a buddy an advantage of my linux box over his windows box, my weather monitor gives me everything his does, but i dont see add's or popups
[08:08] <JStrike> And that is not even bringing in the problem with different distros using different versions of libraries
[08:08] <trukulo> JStrike, it's a problem of support in game companys
[08:08] <anir> hope we will get something better linux in the near future which will solve the problems... but till then..
[08:08] <zenwhen> You wont find the advantages if you are only using oyur computer for email web browsing and games, and dont care about security or automation.
[08:09] <JStrike> I dont have windows, but I am talking about 6-7 years ago when I did
[08:09] <|QuaD-> why is this a linx vs windows discussion? we are all in here because we experienced the fact that linux is better then windows... lets move on
[08:09] <trukulo> JStrike, then go back windows if you want, i'm really happy with linux
[08:09] <anir> now Window is coming with LongHorn... its great..
[08:09] <zenwhen> If you donlt see why Linux is a superior platform, you haven;t looked hard enough.
[08:09] <ACID|net> hmmm, " " :D
[08:09] <trukulo> anir, why is it great?
[08:09] <xelerated> yea, if i didnt care one bit about security, id use windows. But i do care about security, and wont touch windows other than to play an occasional game
[08:09] <tritium> anir, what compilers and libraries does Longhorn come with?
[08:09] <jdub> dudes, let's leave the windows vs. linux argument please
[08:10] <zenwhen> anir, longhorn will be great for people who will also never understand why it is a inferior platform.
[08:10] <trukulo> jdub, ok
[08:10] <anir> i have just tried transformation package in XP pro... looks great.. feels great.. and most of all  easy to handle.. and i found it very very stable
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[08:10] <JStrike> trukulo : Why should I go back to windows. I was merely stating that you cant tell someone new to linux that it doesn't have those issues
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[08:10] <anir> now the ball is in your court LINUX..
[08:10] <xelerated> actually i think longhorn might be halfway decent, since they are taking a more serious approch to security, but im sture they will still botch it some
[08:10] <jdub> anir: enoug thanks.
[08:10] <jdub> xelerated: enough please.
[08:10] <zenwhen> The solution to problems with linux for newbies is for them to use it long enough not to be newbies.
[08:11] <zenwhen> I dont want linux dumbed down to the point where control is taken away.
[08:11] <ACID|net> linux will only really work when OEMs start installing it
[08:11] <ACID|net> or at least offering it
[08:11] <anir> what happened guys.. say something
[08:11] <ACID|net> which will only work when microsoft become less anti-competitive
[08:11] <jdub> zenwhen: 'control' and what you're calling 'dumbed down' aren't related.
[08:11] <|QuaD-> xelerated: no version of windows will be halfway decent until it is a Windows linux distribution
[08:12] <jdub> ACID|net, |QuaD-: enough please.
[08:12] <ACID|net> ????
[08:12] <jpvcx> anir: jdub anir: enoug thanks. <- thats why
[08:12] <|QuaD-> jdub: i was trying to stop the convo
[08:12] <Simira> hm... when I plug my usb cam, where will it normally mount?
[08:12] <zenwhen> jdub, new users will complain about Linux until it is windows.
[08:12] <jdub> |QuaD-: a comment like that is not a conversation stopper.
[08:12] <|QuaD-> jdub: read above
[08:12] <tritium> Simira, look under /media
[08:13] <Simira> tritium: nope, only cdroms
[08:13] <jdub> |QuaD-: i did, thus my comment.
[08:13] <|QuaD-> read my comment before that
[08:13] <tritium> Simira, hmm, not for me...usbstick, zip, etc under media
[08:13] <anon26> hey all
[08:13] <jdub> Simira: camera? it won't mount, it's not a storage device.
[08:13] <Simira> tritium: my usb-stick mounts there
[08:13] <jdub> |QuaD-: i reacted to your last comment.
[08:13] <anon26> anyone know how to get java working in hoary?
[08:13] <Simira> jdub: it stores my pics :p
[08:13] <anir> guys its nothing about inferrior platform.. tell me why till date more people use windows??
[08:13] <Simira> jdub: how do I mount it then?
[08:14] <jdub> Simira: ah, not a webcam ;) it may not have mounted
[08:14] <tritium> Simira, not all cameras are usb-storage
[08:14] <trukulo> anir, please, stop
[08:14] <zenwhen> anir, I am pretty sure youare trolling.
[08:14] <jdub> anir: there is no need to continue this discussion.
[08:14] <Simira> jdub: no, my digital one, got a replacement for the stolen one today
[08:14] <Simira> tritium: this should be
[08:14] <zenwhen> So just stop, or leave. This isnt #defendlinux.
[08:14] <anir> i am not against linux.. i want to use it and i want it to be better..
[08:14] <anir> now why dont you listen
[08:14] <anon26> anyone know how to get java working in hoary?
[08:14] <jdub> anir: we're listening, just keep it on-topic please.
[08:14] <trukulo> anir: try another channel, please, this is for ubuntu support for users
[08:15] <Simira> anon26: installed the java packages?
[08:15] <trukulo> or open me a query if you want
[08:15] <|QuaD-> anon26: www.ubuntuguide.com
[08:15] <anir> sorry guys...
[08:15] <anon26> well there are so many i don't know which ones to go with
[08:15] <trukulo> anon26, look for java in wiki
[08:15] <jdub> Simira: is gnome-volume-manager running?
[08:15] <anir> i loved ubuntu.. and did not want to leave it.. thats why i hope that it gives me more..
[08:15] <|QuaD-> anon26: if you are using hoary, you should be able to make an educated decision on which you like the best
[08:15] <trukulo> there's a howto
[08:15] <Simira> anon26: searcj for java, and read the description. It's fairly easy
[08:15] <Simira> jdub: yes
[08:15] <|QuaD-> anir: what did you leave it for?
[08:16] <Tyche> Anyone here install and running Drupal?
[08:16] <ACID|net> whats the best way to do a complete system backup in ubuntu??  Is it ghost?
[08:16] <trukulo> Tyche, me
[08:16] <anir> coz i cant run my windows progs here..
[08:16] <tritium> anir, did you install wine?
[08:16] <|QuaD-> anir: want me to help you figure out alternative linux progs?
[08:16] <zenwhen> Anir, more people use Linux because Microsoft is a corrupt monopoly that pushes any and all competitors out of the limelight. Dell doesnt sell desktops wiht Linux because Microsoft would raise their price to Dell. It has nothing to do with quality. It has everything to do with the fact that most people have not even heard of Linux. Ubuntu aims to change that. There will alays be adjustment when switching platforms. You just have to
[08:16] <zenwhen> get used to the diffrences and read some guides.
[08:17] <trukulo> anir, of course you can't, the same you can't run mac or linux programs on windows
[08:17] <jdub> zenwhen: dude, seriously, enough.
[08:17] <zenwhen> I meant more people use Windows.
[08:17] <trukulo> sorry jdub
[08:17] <zenwhen> Oh ok
[08:17] <Tyche> trukulo: I just installed it from warty. Now, do I need to follow the readme? Or did it do the database and copying stuff?
[08:17] <trukulo> anir, open me a query if you want
[08:17] <zenwhen> I was simply trying to enlighten him.
[08:17] <jdub> zenwhen: after you'd been asked to stop.
[08:17] <trukulo> Tyche, particullary, i prefer to install drupal from tar.gz, not package
[08:17] <tritium> anir, I can help you install wine.  It can run many, but not all, windows applications.
[08:17] <zenwhen> Oh, I hadnt seena nything directed towards me. Sorry.
[08:17] <trukulo> it's newer version and more... control?
[08:18] <anon26> thanks guys
[08:18] <jdub> zenwhen: it was directed to the channel.
[08:18] <zenwhen> oh ok
[08:18] <|QuaD-> tritium: or we can help him find equivalent OSS linux packages
[08:18] <anir> tritium i have installed WINE
[08:18] <anir> quad: plz
[08:18] <zenwhen> jdub, is the channel support only?
[08:18] <tritium> anir, okay, just makeing sure
[08:18] <|QuaD-> anir: what programs do you need?
[08:18] <tritium> making sure
[08:18] <anir> i am missing my windows games that i used to play quad
[08:19] <jdub> zenwhen: no, but off-topic discussion is unnecessary here.
[08:19] <|QuaD-> anir: thats the only thing we really can't help you with, unless you like ut2k4 or doom3 :)
[08:19] <trukulo> jeff, perhaps you can post a channel for off-topic discussions on topic
[08:19] <anir> jdub: i beg an apology
[08:19] <trukulo> it's an idea
[08:19] <Quenyar> anyone got experience configuring ubuntu as an Internet Gateway for a bunch of Windows machines (DSL)?
[08:19] <Tyche> trukulo: So actually go out and download the drupal and go at it as if it wasn't installed in warty.
[08:19] <zenwhen> Every time anyone trues to talk about anything other than support, they are threatened. I thought discussion of Linux was on topic. I'll just stop talking unless I can help someone I suppose.
[08:19] <zenwhen> tries*
[08:19] <anir> quad: hmm..
[08:19] <trukulo> Tyche, yes, that's what i do
[08:19] <jdub> trukulo: there is the entire rest of the internet available for non-ubuntu discussion...
[08:20] <trukulo> sure jdub, but it would help things like this
[08:20] <Tyche> trukulo: Okay, thank you. Can I check out your site?
[08:20] <trukulo> i said it was only an idea
[08:20] <trukulo> Tyche, badopi.org
[08:20] <anir> trukulo thank you
[08:21] <anir> see let us come together to make ubuntu better..
[08:21] <anir> better than anyother
[08:21] <jdub> anir: so there are programs around that will help you run windows software on linux (generally not games), but these are for special cases. in general, there's no point switching to linux while continuing to use windows software.
[08:21] <Quenyar> for example, if you're installing ubuntu and it detects two NICs, does it further probe and find the DSL connection?
[08:22] <Tyche> trukulo: hehe, cannot read it, but looks good. That is what I was looking for. Thank you.
[08:22] <trukulo> anir, i know it's difficult to understand, but if you wanna help, that's not the way
[08:22] <trukulo> you can send suggests to bugzilla ubuntu
[08:22] <trukulo> Tyche, it's spanish :)
[08:22] <DaNewB> warty.iso --> 100% download complete! :)
[08:22] <tritium> anir, there are different opinions of what would be better.  I don't play video games, so the ability to play windows games wouldn't make ubuntu better for me...
[08:23] <anir> tritium: but for the rest 50% people it will be.. why only think about yourself
[08:23] <trukulo> anir, we can't do more than we do
[08:23] <tritium> anir, I'm not.  I'm thinking about those that don't care about games.
[08:23] <trukulo> if companys make games for linux, then superb
[08:23] <jdub> anir: people work on what's important to them.
[08:24] <Tyche> How do I get into MySQL if I have never used the base install from warty? Do I need to change the password for root, since the root password isn't working?
[08:24] <Quenyar> tritium, however, sometimes being able to review a document in actual MS-Word is required - Open Office is great, but MSW paginates things differently, for example
[08:24] <woodysanay> ok guys, I will see you all tomorrow
[08:24] <tritium> Quenyar, ???
[08:24] <jdub> Tyche: the root account is disabled, use sudo.
[08:24] <woodysanay> bye
[08:24] <woodysanay> take care
[08:24] <anir> tritium: suppose u work in php and i work with java.. so it will be better if it supports both..isnt it
[08:24] <trukulo> Quenyar, paginates on word dependes on printer
[08:24] <Tyche> jdub how do I sudo mysql? sudo mysql -u <myusername> -p?
[08:24] <Quenyar> tritium - a reason to run wine to run a typical windows app not related to games
[08:25] <trukulo> anir, normally, people who develop in linux don't mind about commercial games
[08:25] <tritium> Quenyar, okay...
[08:25] <|QuaD-> anir: games that you would want to play are usuall closed source, so it is more up to the developers
[08:25] <trukulo> they develop what they need/like
[08:25] <Tyche> jdub: I get and ERROR 2202: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
[08:25] <Tyche> jdub: That is when I enter in my password.
[08:25] <trukulo> Tyche, do you have mysql-server installed?
[08:26] <Quenyar> anyone on who has experience in configuring multiple NICs, iptables, routing, etc?
[08:26] <Tyche> trukulo: checking...
[08:26] <trukulo> jdub, i'll help tyche, stay working
[08:26] <trukulo> Tyche, open me a query if you want
[08:26] <tritium> anir, I'm more of a minimalist.  I'd prefer the intersection, rather than the union, of users' needs.
[08:27] <tritium> Then let users customize beyond that.
[08:27] <Tyche> trukulo: No, I don't. Installing mysql-server now. Sorry to have bother you jdub. Didn't know you were working on another thing.
[08:27] <trukulo> Tyche, don't worry, if you need help, i'm here
[08:28] <Tyche> trukulo: Okay, now I am getting access denied when logging in with my username.
[08:28] <trukulo> Tyche, ok, what command do you use exactly? post here
[08:28] <|QuaD-> Tyche: did you add the user name to the server?
[08:28] <|QuaD-> create a database?
[08:28] <|QuaD-> etc?
[08:28] <anir> rather than searching for YOUR linux.. if one linux can satisfy both of us.. then only we can say its ubuntu..i am not talking about game only.. that was only an example..if linux continues this devident procedure..i mean different distro for different user.. it can never beat windows.. coz see in a company..some 10000 people uses a computer.. so will you make 10000 linux.. because of the fact that 10000 different individual have different need and they like
[08:28] <anir> to work on different polatforms
[08:29] <Tyche> trukulo: I have done nothing, besides install mysql-server and then try to get in using: sudo mysql -u <myusername> -p
[08:29] <trukulo> tyche: in <username> , use root
[08:29] <|QuaD-> anir: as much as linux distros deviate, many factors stay the same for compatibility reasons
[08:29] <trukulo> root is default user for mysqld
[08:29] <trukulo> and there's no password
[08:29] <trukulo> so don't use -p
[08:30] <Tyche> trukulo: Nice work!
[08:30] <anir> think about it guys.. coz i am a corporate guy and handle 10000 IT pro.. i am still using windows..
[08:30] <trukulo> Tyche, add a password in mysql
[08:31] <anir> thats a 0 more its 1000
[08:31] <trukulo> sudo mysqladmin -u root password
[08:31] <|QuaD-> anir: your point?
[08:31] <trukulo> anir, you think ppl here don't know about corporate enviroments?
[08:32] <anir> quad: my point is that we have to give extensive training to any freshers that joins in linux..
[08:32] <anir> no trukulo my point was not to hurt anyone
[08:32] <[Phaedrus] > and these are the people whom you call IT Pros?
[08:32] <trukulo> anir, please, stay on topic :)
[08:33] <occy> installing ubuntu on my Mom's Inspiron 8200 (Dell)
[08:33] <occy> heh
[08:33] <|QuaD-> anir: people like what they are used to, whats your point. The university i work at (4th largest private institution in the USA) supports linux
[08:33] <trukulo> ppl please, stop arguing about this
[08:33] <etorix> does she know?
[08:33] <occy> turns out it had a bad hard drive
[08:33] <trukulo> use #ubuntu-argue or something similar
[08:33] <|QuaD-> anir... go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:33] <trukulo> or better: #ubuntu-flame
[08:33] <occy> whoa, arguing?  I missed a flame war?
[08:33] <[Phaedrus] > heh
[08:33] <Tyche> trukulo: I'
[08:33] <occy> darn.  knew I should have lurked here.
[08:33] <|QuaD-> occy: someone trying to tell us how windows is superior
[08:34] <tritium> anir, You overlook the fact that a standard windows installation does not include many of the tools that come standard in any linux distro.
[08:34] <trukulo> ppl, please: #ubuntu-flame
[08:34] <[Phaedrus] > Does anyone know if Ubuntu supports Motorola SM56 PCI modems?
[08:34] <Tyche> trukulo: Sorry, meant to say. I'm going to go download drupal now and install. See if I can get it working per the installation readme.
[08:34] <trukulo> Tyche, ok, tyche
[08:34] <anir> and the fact is that total cost of linux is more than that of windows
[08:34] <|QuaD-> anir: go to ubuntu-offtopic for this
[08:34] <anir> sorry quad
[08:35] <bob2> that's enough, guys
[08:35] <occy> go get em' bob2
[08:35] <anir> i am leaving.. seems like i become a pain in ass.. sorry all
[08:35] <tritium> anir, I'd be careful callilng that a "fact"
[08:35] <|QuaD-> haha... i guess you aren't coming to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:35] <[Phaedrus] > Does anyone know if Ubuntu supports Motorola SM56 PCI modems?
[08:35] <tritium> calling
[08:35] <trukulo> anir, join #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:35] <bob2> [Phaedrus] : try asking on the user list
[08:36] <FuMaNcHu> Hi
[08:36] <occy> bob2, still didn't get it installed on this lappie.  that odd reason I metioned.  but it's installling now on an 8200 inspiron
[08:36] <occy> seems to be going well so far.
[08:36] <[Phaedrus] > will do bob
[08:36] <occy> are there still daily builds of ubuntu?
[08:36] <occy> or was that a pre 1.0 release thing
[08:36] <|QuaD-> occy: isn't that hoary?
[08:36] <bob2> there are daily hoary cds, aiui
[08:37] <FuMaNcHu> Can i ask something ?
[08:37] <occy> |QuaD-: ahhh it is?
[08:37] <trukulo> FuMaNcHu, try
[08:37] <|QuaD-> occy: i believe... hoary is the most uptodate version
[08:37] <occy> ahh ok.
[08:37] <trukulo> hoary is development version, unstable
[08:37] <occy> bbs
[08:37] <|QuaD-> yes, and bleeding edge
[08:38] <FuMaNcHu> Ok, i have mouse problem, it works just fine on the live cd, but it doesnt work at all on the installed ubuntu
[08:38] <etorix> im on a hoary
[08:38] <|QuaD-> etorix: :)
[08:38] <etorix> fresh today
[08:38] <FuMaNcHu> How can i fix that
[08:38] <trukulo> FuMaNcHu, in X ?
[08:38] <FuMaNcHu> Yep
[08:40] <etorix> eek .. Need to get 161MB/163MB of archives.
[08:40] <trukulo> FuMaNcHu, laptop?
[08:41] <xeph> \quit
[08:41] <FuMaNcHu> Desktop
[08:41] <atlas95> hello
[08:41] <|QuaD-> hi
[08:42] <atlas95> someone can help me?
[08:42] <|QuaD-> atlas95: instead of asking that, state your question
[08:42] <atlas95> i've error message when I launch program for resolution, I'm french I donr't know the name in english
[08:43] <trukulo> fumachu: look in .xsession-errors at your home
[08:43] <occy> atlas95: mon francais et horrible
[08:43] <FuMaNcHu> Anyone had the same problem with that?
[08:43] <occy> more franglais than anything
[08:43] <atlas95> "the X server don't support the extesion XRandR"
[08:43] <|QuaD-> atlas95: i don't understand
[08:44] <atlas95> (it's my translation of my error in french)
[08:44] <atlas95> erf
[08:45] <atlas95> i have this message when I launch : gnome-display-propertie
[08:45] <FuMaNcHu> Ill check it out and get back
[08:45] <FuMaNcHu> Thanks trukulo
[08:45] <trukulo> you're wellcome fumanchu
[08:45] <FuMaNcHu> Where r u from?
[08:45] <trukulo> spain
[08:45] <atlas95> this bot is crazy
[08:47] <atlas95> He! I found the error in english :
[08:47] <atlas95> "he XServer does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution"
[08:47] <atlas95> "changes to the display size are not available."
[08:47] <atlas95> you can help me now?
[08:47] <trukulo> you can't change resolution in X
[08:47] <atlas95> and why :s ?
[08:48] <trukulo> your graphic card seems not to support it
[08:48] <trukulo> don't know, need more feedback
[08:48] <atlas95> it's a radeon 9600 pro
[08:48] <atlas95> it support
[08:48] <atlas95> before this work but since yesterday :s ?
[08:48] <trukulo> do you use warty or hoary?
[08:48] <atlas95> i don't know why...
[08:48] <atlas95> wary
[08:48] <atlas95> warty*
[08:49] <atlas95> if I try hoary this can work?
[08:49] <trukulo> don't try hoary
[08:49] <trukulo> it's problematic for newbie ppl
[08:49] <occy> installing grub...
[08:49] <|QuaD-> hoary breaks every so often
[08:49] <trukulo> do you changed anything? installed new programs? help me to help you
[08:49] <atlas95> I have installed firefox 1.0
[08:50] <atlas95> whit "depot" backport
[08:50] <|QuaD-> anyone here use bittornado?
[08:50] <atlas95> and other programs, for example I have try to install nforce driver but they don't work
[08:50] <trukulo> atlas95, that's the problem then
[08:50] <trukulo> things you've installed
[08:51] <atlas95> i have installed ati driver too but it is a big che**
[08:51] <trukulo> try to quit that backport
[08:51] <atlas95> how?
[08:51] <trukulo> and make : aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade, you know
[08:51] <trukulo> you have installed things that can break it
[08:51] <trukulo> perhaps your drivers are bad for ubuntu
[08:52] <occy> cool beans.  Got base installed.
[08:53] <occy> grabbing updates now
[08:53] <atlas95> backport is disable
[08:53] <atlas95> i have juste install last gaim and firefox whit it
[08:53] <atlas95> and they work....
[08:53] <atlas95> :o(
[08:53] <trukulo> and the drivers
[08:53] <occy> man... this stinks when I can get my Mom's laptop to work with Ubuntu but not mine.
[08:53] <occy> heh
[08:53] <billytwowilly> anyone have any idea why my loki games don't have sound under ubuntu?
[08:54] <occy> billytwowilly: do other things have sound?
[08:54] <atlas95> my other problem is ; I have once time "save my session" when I have quit my computer and now whenever I reboot my program save start :s but I don't want :(
[08:54] <billytwowilly> occy, yah, all other stuff has sound.
[08:54] <billytwowilly> I think it may have to do with esd in gnome?
[08:55] <tritium> billytwowilly, maybe you need to disable the sound server before running the games?
[08:55] <occy> billytwowilly: hmmm, perhaps, but have you checked aumix  or a mixer to make sure all levels are up and set right?
[08:55] <billytwowilly> tritium, how would I do that?
[08:55] <billytwowilly> occy, When I run mplayer I have to pass it -ao esd
[08:55] <occy> billytwowilly: yeah, tritium could be right.
[08:55] <tritium> billytwowilly, System->Preferences->Sound
[08:56] <occy> noone was answering so I was just guessing :)
[08:56] <tritium> billytwowilly, I'm using Hoary.  I hope your menu is setup the same way...
[08:56] <billytwowilly> tritium, there is an "enable sound server at startup" but no "shut down sound server"
[08:56] <billytwowilly> tritium, I'm running hoary too;)
[08:56] <tritium> billytwowilly, good deal
[08:57] <tritium> billytwowilly, right, but you can disable it.  You can kill the currently running server manually
[08:58] <atlas95> ok trukulo i try this thx :)
[08:58] <trukulo> ok
[08:58] <billytwowilly> tritium, how would I kill it?
[08:59] <tritium> billytwowilly, ps ax | grep esd
[08:59] <tritium> that will show you the process
[08:59] <tritium> then kill #
[09:01] <ixane> grrr. grub error 18
[09:01] <ixane> max cyl exceeds the max supported by bios
[09:01] <Yeahh> wassup
[09:02] <ixane> this sounds a bit like the error debian had where it couldn't figure out my 160gb hd
[09:02] <ogra> ixane: play a bit with the LBA settings of your BIOS ;)
[09:02] <ixane> this is an older computer
[09:03] <tritium> billytwowilly, did you get it?
[09:03] <trukulo> ixane, that computer support that big hds?
[09:03] <ixane> it's worked in other distros :/
[09:04] <ixane> debian is the only one that has had a problem with it.
[09:04] <ixane> the problem was that it ran into that 137 gb limit.
[09:04] <trukulo> ixane, knows nothing about it, i'm poor, my hd is 30gb
[09:05] <ixane> trukulo: this was a freebie :)
[09:05] <ixane> the old hd was 10gb
[09:05] <ixane> but in any case, it's annoying.
[09:06] <ogra> ixane: its pretty sure solvable with other LBA settings, but if your BIOS doesnt support it :(
[09:07] <ixane> perhaps I can manually enter in the geom in my bios
[09:07] <ogra> uhh
[09:07] <ixane> and LBA is supported btw
[09:08] <ogra> ixane: so try switching it if there are different options
[09:09] <ixane> the only options I see are LBA, NORMAL, and LARGE
[09:09] <ixane> for verious things
[09:09] <ixane> various*
[09:09] <ogra> ixane: what was set up ?
[09:09] <ixane> LBA
[09:10] <ixane> Normal didn't work
[09:10] <ogra> ixane: so try large
[09:10] <ixane> I'm about to try large
[09:10] <ogra> heh
[09:10] <ixane> wait for it...
[09:10] <ixane> wait for it...
[09:10] <ixane> it says 'GRUB loading, please wait...' and my floppy drive light came on, but there it sits...
[09:11] <ogra> hmm
[09:11] <ixane> and my keyboard won't respond.  Caps and Numlock won't do anything
[09:11] <ogra> quite bad
[09:11] <trukulo> ixane, try config bios in related USB things
[09:11] <trukulo> legacy USB , i think
[09:12] <ixane> trukulo, A) it's already on B) it's an IDE drive, so how would USB help?
[09:13] <ixane> and a PS/2 keyboard
[09:13] <ixane> maybe I have to reinstall
[09:14] <ixane> grub was set up with it set to LBA
[09:14] <trukulo> ixane, that's about keyboard lock
[09:14] <ixane> oh
[09:14] <ogra> ixane: shouldnt matter for the mbr
[09:14] <ixane> lets see if it'll detect the full HD size with the config set to normal
[09:15] <ogra> good idea
[09:15] <ixane> in the install I mean
[09:15] <occy> gimp 2.2 in hoary?
[09:15] <ixane> odd though.  No distro except for debian based ones has had a problem with it
[09:15] <ixane> and I've tried a few
[09:17] <bborkk> What's the digital camera situation like on Ubuntu these days?  I'm thinking about buying a Canon SD300 camera, but I haven't found any information about whether or not it plays well with Linux in general and Ubuntu in particular.
[09:20] <JStrike> bborkk : Look at gphoto.org
[09:23] <elmo> sorry
[09:23] <ixane> hell. I probobly have to make a boot partition that's before cyl 1024
[09:25] <ogra> bborkk: a400 and a75 work..... not sure about SD300, but with a little luck canon uses the same protocol eveywhere
[09:25] <occy> w00p, it installed and even X is working
[09:27] <Captain_Obvious> hows ubuntu for using it as a webserver?
[09:27] <Ribs> Captain_Obvious, fine, I'm told
[09:28] <Ribs> personally, I would rather use Debian for server duties
[09:28] <nakee> Captain_Obvious: try www.freedesktop.org :)
[09:28] <ogra> Captain_Obvious: look at www.ubuntulinux.org it seems to cope good with the userbase
[09:28] <ogra> Ribs: why that ?
[09:29] <djuuss> hey
[09:29] <Ribs> because Debian is well suited for the task. Ubuntu is more of a desktop distro.
[09:29] <Ribs> I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Ubuntu, it's great for what it is. But I personally would rather use Debian
[09:29] <djuuss> what apt mirror do i use for packages found in for instance.. the PLF?
[09:30] <mgedmin> AFAIU one reason to prefer Ubuntu to Debian on a server is that Debian woody is 2 years old, and Debian sarge does not have security updates
[09:30] <ogra> Ribs: how did you get this idea ? ubuntu is debian under the hood....with a lot improvements debian will see way later....ever tried a custom install of ubuntu ?
[09:31] <Ribs> I am aware it's based on Debian, but has a lot of extras that I would never consider on a server. And no, I haven't tried a custom installation.
[09:31] <Captain_Obvious> well, atm i have one comp and it'll be both a server and a desktop
[09:31] <|QuaD-> Ribs: supposedly the ubuntu developers use it as a server
[09:31] <ixane> that's it. I'm done playing games with the installer.  I'm going to do a custom install
[09:32] <ixane> hopefully that'll actually work
[09:32] <ogra> Ribs: you get a slim (200mb) base system, nothing else, then you can add your server stuff
[09:32] <Captain_Obvious> i should be getting a comp soon for use as a server
[09:32] <Ribs> *shrug*, like I said. It's personal preference
[09:32] <Captain_Obvious> and im going to be installing the new distro this weekend
[09:32] <|QuaD-> Captain_Obvious: the new distro?
[09:33] <Captain_Obvious> which will probably be ubuntu
[09:33] <|QuaD-> oh
[09:34] <kayali> hello there
[09:34] <Captain_Obvious> hopefully i get the computer soon
[09:34] <the--dud> hi folks
[09:34] <nakee> Rico:what's the diffrance? same version of apache and if you want to computer stable then install on it only what you need
[09:35] <EpheMeroN> Hey guys. I just did an install of Ubuntu last night. What's the easiest way to upgrade Firefox from 0.9.3 to 1.0?
[09:35] <Captain_Obvious> are there any problems installing kde on ubuntu?
[09:35] <Ribs> EpheMeroN, With the backports project
[09:36] <jordi> mako: fooooooooooooooood
[09:36] <mooch> mako!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[09:36] <EpheMeroN> what's that?
[09:36] <mooch> jordi: tio, no me envies sms's a mi, cuando se los quieres enviar a mako
[09:36] <mooch> ups
[09:36] <mooch> english
[09:36] <jordi> mooch: lol
[09:37] <ACID|net> how do i get more than 1 ip on a network card???
[09:38] <nakee> especialy since debian kernel on stable is way behind
[09:38] <EpheMeroN> there's no simple apt-get install firefox type command?
[09:38] <EpheMeroN> i already added the repositories listed on the user guide
[09:38] <billytwowilly> tritium it worked. thanks
[09:39] <Captain_Obvious> it would be apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:39] <Riddell> Captain_Obvious: no
[09:39] <EpheMeroN> ah okay
[09:39] <EpheMeroN> and will that upgrade it to 1.0 without any issues?
[09:39] <nakee> EpheMeroN: it depends if you want to keep stable or move to development
[09:40] <EpheMeroN> I just want to upgrade to 1.0 and then install Java and Flash.
[09:41] <ogra> EpheMeroN: flash is in multiverse .... for java see the wiki
[09:42] <kayali> how stable is hoary this day? any outstanding issue?
[09:42] <EpheMeroN> k
[09:42] <AMIGrAve> First time that I ask to ask, but are KDE Ubuntu questions allowed ?
[09:43] <nakee> ogra: why is that?there are packages for flash on various platforms
[09:43] <ogra> kayali: better question....how stable is hoary tommorow ;)
[09:45] <ogra> nakee: i see only flashplayer-mozilla in synaptic.....
[09:46] <kayali> ogra: I was gonna ask it just after ;)
[09:46] <ogra> *g*
[09:46] <djuuss> AMIGrAve: all questions allowed, but since not everyone uses kde, there aren't as many people who know the answers
[09:46] <bborkk> JStrike: Thanks.  I'll take a look.
[09:46] <ogra> kayali: nobody can say .....
[09:47] <ogra> AMIGrAve: since ubuntu ust gets a community based branch called kubuntu....
[09:48] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: KDE Ubuntu questions are allowed
[09:48] <kayali> ogra: kubuntu? do they have a homepage I could check?
[09:48] <Riddell> kayali: no homepage yet, there's a wiki page
[09:49] <ogra> kayali: there was a talk in mataro at the conference... i think you can find somethink on the wiki
[09:49] <nakee> what wiki does ubuntu site uses?
[09:49] <ACID|net> |-)
[09:49] <AMIGrAve> yeah I heard about kubuntu but it is hard to get information about it except the wiki page on ubuntu
[09:49] <ACID|net> hmmm, setting up apache is a lot harder than i expected
[09:50] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: what information would you like?
[09:50] <ACID|net> i want it to be setup like a production server but i dont what it should look like
[09:50] <ACID|net> i want multi-ips and multi-domains but all internal so what should i do???
[09:51] <ACID|net> <VirtualHost testlocal.localdomain>
[09:51] <ACID|net> and then edit the hosts.conf to testlocal.localdomain
[09:52] <kayali> how come I can't find 'smbmount' on my fresh warty install? I'm new to ubuntu and find it strange that it seems not to come with samba... since Nautilus fails to see the windows computer, I thought 'mount -t smbfs' would do, but it seems the kernel also comes without smbfs support...
[09:52] <occy> anything I gotta do to be able to ssh to my ubuntu box?  I do a which ssh and it is in /usr/bin
[09:52] <naibed> hi
[09:52] <djuuss> anyone tried the new debian drivers for nvidia instead of the 6111 ubuntu package?
[09:52] <AMIGrAve> Riddell: three things : 1) is it a very early project or is there already a preview running  2) is it as free as ubuntu and debian   3) If I want to help the project, what can I do, who should I contact ?
[09:53] <ogra> occy: install openssh-server, there is only the client by default
[09:53] <occy> ogra: ahh, danke
[09:53] <ACID|net> 1) warty is a proper release
[09:53] <ACID|net> 1) been out since ocoter
[09:53] <derJunior> hi@all
[09:53] <ogra> occy gern geschen
[09:53] <occy> ogra: :)
[09:53] <ogra> :)
[09:54] <ACID|net> opps sorry, misread
[09:54] <derJunior> i need some tools: lame galeon and limewire, how can i install this under ubuntu?
[09:54] <derJunior> or what do i need to put into the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:54] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: it's a very early project, the only things that's been done is some packages have been uploaded to hoary which you can see in hoary-changes
[09:54] <derJunior> ogra: ne idee?
[09:55] <naibed> derJunior, apt-get them. If they're not in the ubuntu repos, uncomment the "world" repositories (/etc/apt/sources.list)
[09:55] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: it is of course Free Software and will be available at no cost once CDs are available
[09:55] <ogra> AMIGrAve: ask haggai if he comes around
[09:55] <kayali> no one knows how to mount a windows share with ubuntu?
[09:55] <derJunior> naibed: hm i have uncomment the world repoitories
[09:55] <naibed> Kaloz, mount -t smbfs //IP/C /mnt/C -o WORKGROU=FOO,guest
[09:56] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: 3) good question, what is your experience and skills, we don't have a mailing list yet unfortunatly, you can add comments on the wiki page
[09:56] <ogra> derJunior: dunno if galeon is in hoary, limewire depends on ava i think...
[09:56] <kayali> naibed: unsupported filesystem type...
[09:56] <naibed> kayali, try with smbmount (if you don't have it, install it)
[09:56] <derJunior> ogra: hm i don't understand you
[09:56] <kayali> naibed: but doesnt smbmount come with samba?
[09:56] <calc> kayali: go to "Network Servers" click on "File" click on "Connect to Servers"
[09:56] <naibed> Kaloz, with smbfs pkg
[09:57] <ogra> derJunior: there is no java in ubuntu.... so no limewire as it is a ava program
[09:57] <ogra> java
[09:57] <naibed> ogra, what?
[09:57] <derJunior> ogra: oh okay but that is bad
[09:57] <derJunior> i need java to
[09:57] <derJunior> too
[09:57] <kayali> calc: wow, thanks... that worked ;)
[09:57] <ogra> derJunior: for java and lame: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:57] <ACID|net> anyone got a wiki for apache??
[09:58] <derJunior> oh there is a wiki
[09:58] <derJunior> gread
[09:58] <derJunior> great
[09:58] <ogra> ACID|net: www.apache.org ;)
[09:58] <AMIGrAve> Riddell: well I've not good skills in programming (just python, php, C# (yeah, I know ;-) and I did C long time ago,) as the required skills for KDE are around C++ i'm out of the game for that, but I want to learn deb packaging.
[09:59] <ogra> cenerentola: hi ;)
[09:59] <naibed> Does anyone know how can I join to rosetta project? I mean how can I register to be able to translate programs via web?
[10:00] <Riddell> what's the name of the gnome RSS reader?
[10:00] <calc> blam, or thunderbird
[10:00] <naibed> Riddell, apt-cache search gnome rss
[10:00] <calc> blam doesn't show pictures, etc
[10:01] <linux_mafia> i like liferea the best, but crashes every 2 seconds
[10:01] <linux_mafia> well it did last time i tried it
[10:01] <linux_mafia> calc, blam shows pics
[10:02] <ogra> Riddell: liferea is also a good one
[10:04] <Riddell> ogra: ah, that's the one I was thinking of, thanks
[10:07] <eim> I'm experiencing some troubles with a fresh installed Warty version on a Dell Dimension (8300): The grub boot loader hangs during the boot process: I just get some "GRUB, GRUB, ..." on the upper left corner. Any suggestions? Thanks.
[10:08] <eim> grub is installed in the MBR. Maybe I should install it on the first partition.
[10:08] <naibed> eim, have a look at grub's bugs (more than ubuntu specific..)
[10:08] <eim> naibed: I don't think it's a *real* grub bug but much more a miss-configuration.
[10:10] <linux_mafia> for those running hoary, in the newly appeared debian menu, are there duplicates of all the entries?
[10:11] <ogra> eim: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[10:11] <LinuxJones> linux_mafia, they put the Debian menu back in Hoary ?
[10:11] <eim> ogra: I'll check, thanks.
[10:11] <ogra> linux_mafia: it will surely disappear soon
[10:11] <ogra> LinuxJones: its a bug i think.....
[10:12] <LinuxJones> ogra, I hope so :D
[10:12] <linux_mafia> LinuxJones, at the moment its there, i assume it will go soon
[10:12] <derJunior> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ <-- this is the URL
[10:13] <derJunior> but how can i put it into the sources.list
[10:13] <ogra> derJunior: is broken
[10:13] <occy> hmmm, can't seem to get X to go into 1024x768 full screen.  It just makes the window smaller (from 1400x1050) onscreen.
[10:13] <derJunior> what i syntax do i need
[10:13] <derJunior> ogra: *grmL*
[10:13] <LinuxJones> linux_mafia, there were some problems with X in Hoqry a few days ago, do you know it it has been fixed ?
[10:13] <occy> nvidia?
[10:13] <occy> isn't there a bot in here?
[10:13] <ogra> derJunior: marillat seems not to work anymore
[10:14] <derJunior> ogra: hmkay and what can i use instead of this?
[10:14] <linux_mafia> LinuxJones, i never noticed any problems, so cant say if its been fixed or not
[10:14] <ftwig> updating WiFi Howtos, anyone there who wnderstands WiFi who can have a look?
[10:14] <ogra> derJunior: no idea, i personally use totem xine
[10:14] <LinuxJones> linux_mafia, ok thanks
[10:14] <derJunior> totem?
[10:14] <Pozac> totem is sweet.
[10:14] <ogra> derJunior: totem-xine
[10:14] <derJunior> ogra: is this another deb?
[10:14] <ogra> derJunior: yep
[10:15] <derJunior> ogra: okay can you say me the link or the entry in the sources lsit?
[10:15] <Pozac> ogra, do you have it working in hoary?
[10:15] <ogra> derJunior: its in universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:15] <Rewop> cool. an ubuntu channel
[10:15] <derJunior> ogra: i am on console
[10:15] <derJunior> :)
[10:16] <ogra> Pozac: totem xine? nope, i dont use my hoary box, i just play with it ;)
[10:16] <Pozac> ogra, good choice :)
[10:16] <derJunior> ogra: okay sorry, but what should i do with totem?
[10:16] <ogra> Pozac: wartyis for real work :)
[10:16] <derJunior> it is a media player
[10:17] <ogra> derJunior: you showed the marillat url, so i thought you wanted mplayer
[10:17] <derJunior> i need things like galeon lame java and some like this
[10:17] <derJunior> ogra: okay mplayer is great too
[10:17] <Rewop> can anyone say why i should switch from warty to hoary? i haven't understood the difference between them..
[10:17] <nu-unxsaintaant_> derJunior, u got a dvd player or burner?
[10:17] <Pozac> ogra: but not without backports :)
[10:17] <ogra> derJunior: its all described on the restricted formats page
[10:18] <ogra> Pozac:only firefox.... ;)
[10:18] <derJunior> nu-unxsaintaant_: why you ask me?
[10:18] <derJunior> ogra: yes but the link is broaken you said
[10:18] <ogra> derJunior: not the link, the packages
[10:18] <ogra> derJunior: they dont work in ubuntu anymore
[10:19] <derJunior> okay this isn't better
[10:19] <Pozac> Rewop, you should not
[10:19] <ogra> derJunior: for hoary there is a working mplayer in multiverse
[10:19] <Pozac> Rewop, hoary will be released in april
[10:19] <derJunior> ogra: hm okay
[10:20] <Rewop> Pozac: but in the forums everyone talks like if they have switched..
[10:20] <ogra> Rewop: hoary is unstable, breaks from time to time.....and is in steady flux
[10:20] <Rewop> Pozac: aha
[10:20] <Pozac> Rewop, because they can. It's free, though still in development. There are many great things going on in the free software world now, so for many - the newer the better :)
[10:21] <Rewop> Pozac: ok
[10:21] <ogra> Rewop: its the version that is currently developed and will be the next stable release in april
[10:21] <Pozac> yeh
[10:21] <Pozac> so when you're done exploring and knowing all about warty, hoary is ready for you :)
[10:22] <the--dud> and now for something completely different: ubuntu suffers some major norwegian language confusion
[10:22] <derJunior> do i only have to change warty with hoary in my sources.list?
[10:22] <the--dud> one second its bokml, next its danish, then its suddenly nynorsk
[10:22] <ogra> Rewop: but if you want to help to track bugs and dont care about the instabilities (and know how to fix certain things) hoary is for you
[10:22] <Pozac> derJunior, yep
[10:23] <kayali> is there somewhere I can see a list of packages for ubuntu? I mean, the content of the repositories... I remember seeing that somewhere on the website
[10:24] <thenuke> synaptic
[10:24] <Rewop> ogra: i'm quite new to all this ubuntu stuff :) .. but why aren't they like upgrading the packages and stuff? in debian they did it all the time.. and for about 2 months ago they did it with ubuntu too, i think..
[10:24] <Pozac> kayali, synaptic?
[10:24] <kayali> Pozac: I'm looking for a website
[10:24] <ogra> Rewop: not on my woody machine :)
[10:24] <whatah> ubuntu, ubuntu, oi oi oi
[10:24] <Gwildor|Work> Rewop, warty is frozen....no more updates.....except for security
[10:24] <Riddell> Rewop: they are upgrading hoary which is the current "unstable" ubuntu
[10:25] <Pozac> kayali, I believe there is... somewhere..
[10:25] <ogra> Rewop: the stable release of debian only gets security updates, nohing else...as ubuntu stable does
[10:25] <Rewop> aha.. so they were uprgading warty when IT was unstable..
[10:25] <Rewop> now i get it..
[10:25] <bassinboy> Chibifs?
[10:26] <Pozac> I don't get it.
[10:26] <Pozac> Chibifs?
[10:26] <the--dud> isnt localization an important goal for ubuntu?
[10:26] <the--dud> hello?
[10:27] <ogra> Pozac: its a nick
[10:27] <ogra> the--dud: yep, it is.....thats why hoary just gets switched to utf8 everywhere
[10:27] <Pozac> oh
[10:28] <the--dud> ogra, how can i help in sorting out this awful norwegian translation then?
[10:28] <the--dud> its terribly inconsistent
[10:28] <Rewop> yesterday i tried to fix two monitors with two graphic cards to my computer, but it didn't work.. how do you do that? some talked about xinerama, but i couldn't find it for ubuntu.. is there another way?
[10:28] <Pozac> the--dud, is it warty or hoary?
[10:29] <ogra> the--dud: the ubuntu-devel mailing list is the best start place i think..... and dile a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:29] <ogra> file
[10:29] <Pozac> Rewop, its a feature in xfree86
[10:29] <the--dud> warty
[10:29] <naibed> Rewop, xinerama is (I think) an extension for XFree/Xorg
[10:29] <the--dud> i just became aware of the warty/hoary issue 5 minutes ago
[10:29] <Pozac> Rewop, you need to reconfigure your XF86Config
[10:30] <ogra> the--dud: hmm, warty wont see any updates execpt critical stuff....
[10:30] <Rewop> Pozac: ok.. how?
[10:30] <Rewop> :)
[10:30] <Pozac> I'm totally sure how except manually :(
[10:30] <the--dud> perhaps its better in hoary
[10:30] <naibed> Rewop, RTFM :)
[10:30] <Pozac> X -config
[10:30] <Pozac> perhaps
[10:30] <naibed> the--dud, It's more up-to-date :)
[10:30] <ogra> Rewop: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:30] <Pozac> thanks, ogra
[10:31] <Pozac> RuffianSoldier just spammed me
[10:31] <RuffianSoldier> hey
[10:31] <RuffianSoldier> pozac
[10:31] <RuffianSoldier> nonono
[10:31] <Pozac> wtf is up with that?
[10:31] <kayali> damn, when I import mp3s into rhythmbox, it tells me there's no plugin to handle that filetype... how funny ;)
[10:31] <Rewop> ogra: i have done that.. but i can only configure one card.. at least what i saw..
[10:31] <the--dud> ill have to verify that later, as im still using slackware on my primary machine
[10:31] <naibed> kayali, did you miss any gstreamer plugin?
[10:32] <Rewop> you'll have to excuse my english.. i'm a foreigner :)
[10:32] <kayali> naibed: well, I just did a normal install...
[10:32] <naibed> the same to me :P
[10:32] <the--dud> been waiting for my new harddrive, then ill install ubuntu on this one as well
[10:32] <ogra> Rewop: me too ;)
[10:32] <djuuss> who isn't
[10:32] <nu-unxsaintaant_> how would I know if I had a stable version of unix?
[10:32] <naibed> kayali, apt-cache search gstreamer mp3
[10:32] <salgado> what's used in warty installation to detect the monitor and videocard?
[10:32] <ogra> djuuss: not everywhere though
[10:32] <djuuss> nu-unxsaintaant_: if it doesnt boot into windoze
[10:32] <naibed> kayali, I think you need that
[10:33] <kayali> naibed: gstreamer0.8-misc - Collection of various GStreamer plugins
[10:33] <djuuss> ogra: agreed, wether or not your a foreigner depends where "here" is
[10:33] <ogra> hehe
[10:33] <naibed> kayali, , gstreamer-mad - MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer
[10:34] <the--dud> btw, i see on the wiki pages that there is a bounty out for a sound theme for hoary?
[10:34] <the--dud> but i cant see it on the main bounty page
[10:34] <Blackwell> sound theme? make it not-annoying please. :>
[10:34] <ogra> the--dud: not sure if not already someone has claimed it
[10:34] <NewComer> for some reason i update the list and upgrade yet gnome/xchat and many packages aren't updated
[10:34] <NewComer> apt-get update
[10:34] <the--dud> ah, shoot
[10:34] <NewComer> apt-get upgrade
[10:35] <djuuss> specially if it should fit with "hoary warthog"
[10:35] <ogra> the--dud: also a thing for the ubuntu-devel list ;)
[10:35] <djuuss> (e.g. don't record your mom as a sound theme just because she fits the description)
[10:35] <Pozac> hoary hedgehog?
[10:35] <ogra> Pozac: right
[10:36] <the--dud> ogra, im well traversed with mailing lists thank you ;) im just chitchatting some here...
[10:37] <naibed> Why do I get an " A system error occurred. " error while trying to upload any translation with rosetta? Maybe a server problem or it' my fault?
[10:38] <djuuss> prolly your fault
[10:38] <djuuss> check your fwall and modem
[10:38] <naibed> djuuss, :? don't think it's a firewall problem..
[10:39] <djuuss> hmm
[10:39] <djuuss> why not
[10:40] <djuuss> ?
[10:40] <naibed> djuuss, because 1)I don't have any firewall (nor NAT) and 2) a problem with my fw/modem trying to send a POST ..?
[10:40] <Rewop> when i setup my Shortcut Keys to pause music when i press ctrl-shift-s, i can't use the "s"-key after that, why is that?
[10:41] <djuuss> can you send POST without rosetta?
[10:41] <naibed> djuuss, of course
[10:41] <ogra> naibed: are you logged in ?
[10:41] <djuuss> and you got rosetta through apt?
[10:41] <naibed> ogra, yes
[10:41] <Pozac> Rewop, sounds like a bug. Does it happen with other shortcut keys?
[10:41] <ogra> djuuss: rosetta is a server
[10:42] <naibed> djuuss, I mean the web..
[10:42] <Pozac> apt-get install google.com
[10:42] <djuuss> lol
[10:42] <djuuss> i get it
[10:42] <Rewop> Pozac: only with letters and numbers i think..
[10:43] <justin2> how can I disable IPv6?
[10:43] <ogra> Rewop: laptop ?
[10:43] <D0wnXcaST> anyone can tell me how to update my linux, apt-get update... ^^^
[10:43] <D0wnXcaST> ??
[10:43] <djuuss> then i don't know never tried
[10:43] <Rewop> ogra: no
[10:43] <Pozac> Rewop, Odd.
[10:43] <djuuss> apt-get update
[10:43] <djuuss> and then apt-get upgrade
[10:43] <D0wnXcaST> thats it?
[10:43] <D0wnXcaST> ok
[10:43] <D0wnXcaST> thanks ! :)
[10:43] <djuuss> update gets new package list, upgrade downloads the new packages
[10:43] <djuuss> np
[10:44] <crimsun> justin2: why do you want to disable IPv6? :)
[10:44] <ogra> djuuss: for rosetta: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/
[10:44] <justin2> I get slow dns quaries
[10:44] <Rewop> anyone else experienced the same? could someone just test if it works on their machines?
[10:44] <naibed> So anyone can confirm me that it's not my fault? :?
[10:44] <crimsun> justin2: blame your ISP
[10:45] <D0wnXcaST> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:45] <D0wnXcaST> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:45] <D0wnXcaST> does that mean that there is no update available?
[10:45] <naibed> D0wnXcaST, that's it
[10:45] <crimsun> justin2: you can also use iptables to discard IPv6 packets
[10:45] <ogra> D0wnXcaST: looks like;)
[10:45] <D0wnXcaST> because i juste re-install ubuntu, shouldn't have new update?
[10:45] <ogra> justin2: everywhere or only in certain apps ?
[10:46] <naibed> D0wnXcaST, you can dist-upgrade to hoary..
[10:46] <plattypus1> Hi all.
[10:46] <crimsun> 'lo plattypus1
[10:46] <plattypus1> I need help. I'm trying to get Ubuntu and a self-compiled kernel to get along.
[10:46] <ogra> plattypus1: why that ?
[10:46] <plattypus1> However, every time I try to boot it kernel panics, no root found.
[10:46] <crimsun> plattypus1: did you create the initrd image?
[10:46] <D0wnXcaST> naibed: what is this &
[10:46] <D0wnXcaST> hoary?
[10:47] <ogra> D0wnXcaST: its the unstable development branch
[10:47] <Snegec> Anyone can tell me what these 3 things mean? Assertion (heads < 256) at disk_dos.c:486 in function probe_partition_for_geom() failed.
[10:47] <Snegec> Assertion ((C * heads + H) * sectors + S == A) at disk_dos:495 in function probe_partition_for_geom() failed.
[10:47] <crimsun> plattypus1: then rebuild your kernel with support for the root filesystem in it.
[10:47] <Pozac> plattypus1, what do you need a self compiled kernel for?
[10:47] <Snegec> Assertion (heads > 0) at disk_dos.c:485 in function probe_partition_for_geom() failed.
[10:47] <ogra> D0wnXcaST: dont upgrade to it if you canz handle instability and breakage
[10:47] <ogra> cant
[10:47] <D0wnXcaST> ok, than i wont upgrade to it
[10:47] <crimsun> plattypus1: not as a module ("m") but directly as "y"
[10:48] <D0wnXcaST> I'm new to linux, only 2 weeks now
[10:48] <D0wnXcaST> :)
[10:48] <naibed> Snegec, an assertion is something that shouldn't happen :)
[10:48] <Pozac> I assert that naibed is wrong
[10:48] <naibed> :o
[10:48] <plattypus1> Pozac, first, I think it helps performance, and second I want to make Linuxant's DriverLoader work and it doesn't like the kernel-source package.
[10:48] <Pozac> ;)
[10:48] <ogra> D0wnXcaST: did you already enable universe and multiverse to get more software ?
[10:49] <Snegec> naibed: I reckon it's my hard drive.. but no test or anything detects it.. Windows Scandisk wont get past FAT and I get blue screens in windows at times something about VFAT(01).. but I can't install Linux cuz of this :()
[10:49] <Pozac> plattypus1, ok.. it's probably the filesystem thing crimsun said
[10:49] <ogra> plattypus1: on ubuntu you dont use the kernel-source package
[10:49] <crimsun> plattypus1: linux-source
[10:49] <D0wnXcaST> ogra: yes before i re-installed linux, i had installed universe to have WINE.
[10:49] <NewComer> guys I need help, left apt to update to hoary overnight, got errors configuring some packages, namely base-config , console-data and console-common.. yet checking most of the packages on finds that they weren't updated, although there's new versions of these packages in /var/cache/apt/archives and running apt-get upgrade again doesn't update them
[10:49] <Pozac> plattypus1, I was... mere months ago
[10:49] <D0wnXcaST> ill go an enable it
[10:49] <naibed> Snegec, make a backup and run fdisk to repair that..
[10:49] <D0wnXcaST> :)
[10:49] <plattypus1> crimsun, that might be the problem...
[10:49] <crimsun> plattypus1: the problem is more than likely related to the root filesystem's support being in the initrd, which you aren't using.
[10:49] <ogra> plattypus1: and for linuxant you only need the linux-headers package
[10:49] <Snegec> naibed: run fdsik? Like? re-partition the drive?
[10:50] <plattypus1> ogra, every time it gives me errors that it can't find autoconf.h and version.h
[10:50] <naibed> Snegec, seems like a partition problem, isn't it?
[10:50] <ogra> plattypus1: you dont even have to reboot
[10:50] <Snegec> naibed: I dont know
[10:50] <Snegec> Naibed, seems like FAT problem if I was guessing
[10:50] <punkrockguy318> is hoary okay for day-to-day use?
[10:50] <ogra> plattypus1: got the build-essential package ?
[10:50] <punkrockguy318> or is everything pretty broken?
[10:50] <Snegec> and FAT problem on primary drive..
[10:50] <plattypus1> build-essential?
[10:51] <ogra> plattypus1: autoconf, automake, gcc etc
[10:51] <naibed> in function probe_partition_for_geom() failed.
[10:51] <zenwhen> build-essential is all the gcc stuff
[10:51] <plattypus1> Yeah, I have those, though I apt-got them individually.
[10:51] <Pozac> apt-sorry
[10:51] <ferris> i have a package manager question
[10:51] <ogra> plattypus1: looks like autoconf is missing according your error
[10:51] <Pozac> ferris, yeh?
[10:51] <martin_> guys what package i need in order to run *.avi files?
[10:52] <crimsun> plattypus1: version.h is only in the linux-headers-foo packages
[10:52] <ferris> i installed some programs the were all games... but I cannot find them
[10:52] <ferris> they are not under games folder
[10:52] <Pozac> martin_, did you read the website?
[10:52] <crimsun> ferris: how did you install the games?
[10:52] <ogra> ferris: look in /usr/games for the executables
[10:52] <plattypus1> It says that autoconf.h in /usr/src/linux/somethingorother is missing, then tries to use "/boot/config-2.6.8-1-3-386 on a temporary kernel tree"
[10:52] <ferris> through the synaptic package manager
[10:52] <crimsun> plattypus1: read what I typed above :)
[10:53] <martin_> Pozac, remind me please which webiste.. im sorry, i have like 10 sites bookmarked, im sitting on the computer nonstop and finding more and more things i dont know and need to learn..
[10:53] <xeph> Hey. Does anyone know how to send a file over bluetooth to another devices (eg. cellphone) ?
[10:53] <ferris> checked the progs and chose apply
[10:53] <Snegec> naibis: sigh.. oh well.. guess I'll have to reinstall all over again.. jeezus
[10:53] <ogra> plattypus1: there are plenty wiki pages how to install linuxant/slmodem drivers....look there, you only need the headers and build essential
[10:54] <naibed> Snegec, make a backup, then have a look with fdisk..
[10:54] <Crane> hello
[10:54] <Pozac> martin_, go read here https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:54] <plattypus1> I have support for the root fs in my kernel.
[10:54] <Bumjubeo> Quick one for someone :) - Ive installed Ubuntu and its all succesful, its on a dell inspiron 7500 - It goes through the verbose startup no problem, and once its all done that, the screen goes black, if I turn off the laptop, I see the login screen however the computer is shutting down. Ubuntu will load up if im using the live cd, anyone have any clues for this one :)
[10:54] <Pozac> martin_, I use totem-xine :)
[10:54] <plattypus1> It's ext3, and both ext2 and 3 are y.
[10:54] <naibed> bye
[10:54] <martin_> ok ill use it too then :) thanks pozac.
[10:54] <crimsun> plattypus1: and your motherboard chipset and HD drivers?
[10:54] <Pozac> You're welcome, martin_ :)
[10:55] <ferris> how can I make a link (on the desktop) to /usr/games?
[10:55] <crimsun> plattypus1: did you also disable initrd support?
[10:55] <ferris> the gui will not allow me to make link
[10:55] <plattypus1> I'm not a linux newbie, just not good with this distro. :)
[10:55] <ogra> plattypus1: the point with this distro is....you dont compile anything....
[10:56] <Pozac> ferris, middle click and drag
[10:56] <ogra> plattypus1: ....you just use it
[10:56] <Pozac> plattypus1, ubuntu needs portage!
[10:56] <crimsun> did you start with stock kernel source from kernel.org, or are you using kernel-source-foo, or are you using linux-source-foo, or...?
[10:56] <Crane> ferris rightclick on desktop and select cfreate launcher
[10:56] <ferris> does it seem like there are more and more people switching from MS to linux?
[10:56] <crimsun> ubuntu needs portage like a fish needs a bicycle
[10:56] <plattypus1> Pozac, That's what gentoo's for. I just don't want a source-based distro on a PII 233. :)
[10:56] <ogra> Pozac ????????
[10:56] <Pozac> crimsun, yeah well the fish already has the full body water suit
[10:56] <martin_> ferris, whats ms? windows you mean?
[10:57] <Crane> then in command enter nautilus /usr/games
[10:57] <Pozac> ogra?
[10:57] <Pozac> hehe
[10:57] <Pozac> ok ok.. ubuntu, for me, perhaps could might maybe use a little subset of some of portage
[10:57] <Pozac> and maybe just one ebuild
[10:57] <ferris> yes
[10:57] <crimsun> ugh.
[10:58] <ogra> Pozac: sudo apt-get build-dep <package> && apt-get source -b <package> is waaay better
[10:58] <crimsun> portage is great, but keep it in Gentoo.
[10:58] <plattypus1> So where did you say the Linuxant wiki were?
[10:59] <Pozac> ogra, I'm not convinced. :)
[10:59] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto at the bottom for example
[10:59] <the--dud> dont suppose there are any US based ubuntu rsync servers?
[10:59] <plattypus1> ogra, thankies.
[10:59] <ogra> Pozac: tried ?
[10:59] <martin_> Pozac, can i get totem-xine from apt-get?
[10:59] <the--dud> more specifically, for the cd images
[10:59] <crimsun> the--dud: umn.edu?
[11:00] <DaNewB> Just freshly installed Warty. My serial mouse doesnt work. How can I fix this?
[11:00] <Pozac> martin_, yes.. follow these instructions https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/
[11:00] <ferris> thanks for the help on that
[11:00] <Pozac> I believe totem-xine is in multiverse anyways
[11:01] <Agrajag> Pozac: universe
[11:01] <Pozac> ogra, no.. don't care so much about that part, I care about it takes 3 minutes to make a new ebuild
[11:01] <the--dud> crimsun, its not listed to have rsync on the wiki... but it might have anyway...
[11:01] <ogra> Pozac: depends on what you compile i guess
[11:01] <Pozac> Agrajag, ok..
[11:01] <mh_le> How "new" are the packages in ubuntu? same as debian?
[11:02] <crimsun> 'totem-xine' is in universe
[11:02] <Pozac> ogra, apt has never been my friend, synaptic is my friend :)
[11:02] <crimsun> (as Agrajag said)
[11:02] <ogra> Pozac: synaptic cant build packages (yet)
[11:02] <martin_> Pozac, i have totem-gstreamer and it seems to run the movie but i only get the sound without a picture... does that mean i just need divx codec? or should i dl xine?
[11:02] <Agrajag> get xine
[11:02] <martin_> hi Agrajag
[11:02] <Agrajag> apt-get install totem-xine
[11:02] <martin_> ok :)
[11:02] <ogra> martin_: get totem-xine
[11:02] <Agrajag> assuming apt works for you now
[11:02] <Pozac> martin_, get totem-xine. the xine backend is better
[11:02] <ogra> martin_: from universe
[11:02] <crimsun> martin_: do you have 'w32codecs' installed?
[11:02] <martin_> yeah Agrajag, works :)
[11:03] <martin_> ogra, thanks, ive set it up already
[11:03] <Pozac> ogra, so I guess I'm not building packages then
[11:03] <martin_> crimsun, i dont know what that is
[11:03] <martin_> crimsun, should i get it from apt-get?
[11:03] <ogra> Pozac: normally there is no need for building them....
[11:03] <crimsun> martin_: dpkg -l w32codecs|grep ^ii
[11:03] <Meleis> Hi !
[11:04] <Pozac> ogra, I know. I don't necessarily want to build the whole system :)
[11:04] <martin_> crimsun, man... could you please explain to me what dpkg does and means?
[11:04] <Meleis> Does someone know the command line to create Ubuntu ISO CD when having just files and directory ?
[11:04] <ogra> Pozac: the idea that anything gets faster with self compiled binarys is a myth i think.....and what you gain through optimization is marginal regarding the work it needs
[11:04] <Bumjubeo> So here it is :) Ive installed Ubuntu and its all succesful, its on a dell inspiron 7500 - It goes through the verbose startup no problem, and once its all done that, the screen goes black, if I turn off the laptop, I see the login screen however the computer is shutting down. Ubuntu will load up if im using the live cd, anyone have any clues for this one :)
[11:04] <Pozac> ogra, I just like that if I can see on the lists that a new gnome-panel has been released, I can copy gnome-panel-1.1 to gnome-panel-1.2 and install it (presuming nothing radically has changed)
[11:05] <nash> hello guys
[11:05] <martin_> no packages found matching w32codecs|grep ^ii, crimsun
[11:05] <the--dud> at least i cant connect to umn.edu through rsync ;/
[11:05] <crimsun> Meleis: are you sure you don't want to just download an iso?
[11:05] <martin_> oh dpkg means download package?
[11:05] <Agrajag> on, dpkg handles Debian packages
[11:05] <crimsun> martin_: 'w32codecs' is in Christian Marillat's repo. See the wiki under Restricted formats
[11:05] <Pozac> ogra, I also find it a myth. Ubuntu works as fast or faster than gentoo :)
[11:05] <martin_> oh, d stands for debian?
[11:06] <Agrajag> yes
[11:06] <ogra> yep
[11:06] <tolstoy_> folks, updated to hoary, no xorg.conf.  X -configure didn't work (or do I need to be out of X).  What was that deb-something command I need to get an xorg conf to appear?
[11:06] <Meleis> crimsun, i did but the md5sum failed... so i mounted it and i did "md5sum -c md5sum.txt" he told me which files had problems, so i downloaded them again... they are ok. Now i would like to build the CD...
[11:06] <martin_> ok crimsun.. what is wiki btw?
[11:06] <nash> guys, at boot the "starting hotplug subsystem" step takes 40 sec! any tip to speed up my boot?
[11:06] <djuuss> tolstoy_: you need to be out of X :)
[11:06] <ogra> tolstoy_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:06] <crimsun> martin_: it's explained on the wiki :)
[11:07] <ogra> djuuss: nope
[11:07] <djuuss> you dont?
[11:07] <kquamme94> hows everyone doing?/
[11:07] <occy> hey... I've done apt-get install nvidia-settings linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-686     What do I need to do to setup nvida on this laptop?   ( nVidia GeForce2 Go chipset )
[11:07] <martin_> ftp.nerrim.net/debian-marrilat, crimsun?
[11:07] <djuuss> occy: $ nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:07] <ogra> djuuss: nope, but i think you dont reconfigure it if it already rund....the changes take effect on next X startup then
[11:08] <martin_> i got that repository, xskoulax helped me out with that one, crimsun
[11:08] <ogra> runs
[11:08] <Agrajag> martin_: have you run apt-get update since adding it?
[11:08] <martin_> ill go run a search in synapt..
[11:08] <ogra> occy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:08] <nash> guys, at boot the "starting hotplug subsystem" step takes 40 sec! any tip to speed up my boot?
[11:08] <martin_> Agrajag, yi dont think i have, ill run it now
[11:08] <Pozac> (ogra: notice how many people here are having apt-related problems)
[11:08] <crimsun> Meleis: use mkisofs(8) to generate an .iso
[11:08] <siretart> perhaps you guys want to have a look at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty
[11:08] <Agrajag> martin_: k, after that you should be able to get w32codecs
[11:08] <crimsun> Meleis: read the man page, or look for a how-to
[11:08] <zenwhen> nash, hoary's hotplug is much faster.
[11:08] <djuuss> ogra: well if i were reconfiguring X i'd want to see what it changed, so beeing out of X isn't a bad idea, though not imperative perhaps
[11:09] <gilligan_> hi
[11:09] <ogra> Pozac: this will get better in hoary
[11:09] <tolstoy_> ogra, seems like someone here did something different to get it working, but I'll try that.
[11:09] <occy> ogra: k, tx, err... danke
[11:09] <occy> heh
[11:09] <ogra> djuuss: ctrl-alt-backspace works here too ;)
[11:09] <djuuss> nash: i'tll wear out
[11:09] <Meleis> crimsun, ok i was just hoping a dev to be here and the things going easier... thanks anyway
[11:09] <zenwhen> You can get hoary's hotplug system for warty in the ubuntu backports.
[11:09] <crimsun> Meleis: devs are in here
[11:09] <martin_> Agrajag, ok its all updated, ill try to get w32codecs
[11:09] <djuuss> ogra: gotta love that combo :)
[11:09] <nash> zenwhen: point me to some links
[11:10] <crimsun> Meleis: fortunately your question can be answered with a quick Google search
[11:10] <gilligan_> i just did an apt-get upgrade ( running hoary) and my sound ceased to work.. none of the apps complain or report any errors but i dont *hear* any output ;--]  has anythnig changed recently in that regard ? any hints ? ..
[11:10] <tolstoy_> weird.  updating to hoary didn't install the xorg server.  very weird.
[11:10] <Meleis> crimsun : with xcdroad i can make some ISOs, but there are some files he resized cause of Joliet limitations
[11:10] <djuuss> has it been released???
[11:10] <djuuss> just now?
[11:10] <zenwhen> Nash: we better discuss this in #ubuntuforums ... the people in here dont like backport discussions.
[11:11] <martin_> ok, downloading :)
[11:11] <Pozac> gilligan_, are you running KDE?
[11:11] <occy> ogra: <-- rox
[11:11] <Meleis> crimsun, xcdroad > xcdroast
[11:11] <Pozac> ogra, they want their mplayers that work and new firefoxes?
[11:11] <ogra> Pozac: bah
[11:11] <Pozac> hehe
[11:11] <gilligan_> Pozac: i have some kde packages installed but dont actually use it
[11:11] <nash> ok zenwhen, thanks...
[11:11] <zenwhen> ogra, some people want improvements and dont have time to test a new distro.
[11:11] <Meleis> ok, anyway, does anybody knows how to mount read-write (not read only) an ISO ?
[11:11] <gilligan_> Pozac: why - does that break anything?
[11:11] <ogra> Pozac:  i could live with the old ff.....i would still use it
[11:11] <Pozac> gilligan_, Ok.. kmix sometimes sets the audio output to the SP/DIF channel
[11:12] <zenwhen> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntu-bp/ thats the backports project
[11:12] <gilligan_> oh.. i found some error on startup..
[11:12] <Pozac> ogra, Lets see what happens in a couple of releases :)
[11:13] <Pozac> ogra, afterall, warty is a warthog
[11:13] <ogra> zenwhen: i know, i use the ff backport too, but there is really no need....and building a complete set of ff packages takes a lot of time....which i would rather see for improvements....
[11:13] <gilligan_> starting alsa.. /etc/rc2.d/S12alsa: Error: alsactl restore failed with message: alsactl: set_control:805: warning: name mismatch (DRC Switch/DRC Range ) for control #8
[11:13] <gilligan_> aslactl : set_control:892: bad contro.8.value type
[11:13] <djuuss> i'm getting myself a dual boot of yoper, their site is back online so i'll try it out
[11:13] <gilligan_> any alsa experts around? ;-}
[11:13] <Meleis> ok... :o(
[11:13] <ogra> zenwhen: so hoary will miss things again, because the manpower was missing ....
[11:13] <zenwhen> ogra, well If things like FF 1.0 arent going to be offered fro warty, someone needs to offer it.
[11:14] <Meleis> have a nice day, bye
[11:14] <zenwhen> for*
[11:14] <Pozac> ogra, has the manpower been missing?
[11:14] <ogra> zenwhen: why, 0.9.3 worked fine
[11:14] <Pozac> people want the newest version
[11:14] <ogra> Pozac: every helping hand improves
[11:14] <zenwhen> ogra, thats not the point for most people. They want the newest version.
[11:14] <Pozac> desktop people want the newest version
[11:14] <zenwhen> And ntohing will stop them from wanting it.
[11:14] <ogra> what for ?
[11:14] <Pozac> pride
[11:14] <ogra> bah
[11:14] <Pozac> freedom
[11:14] <ogra> ok
[11:15] <zenwhen> Its better that people run warty and still file bug reports on other packahges in it than switch to another diestro to get what they want.
[11:15] <zenwhen> distro*
[11:15] <djuuss> talking about latest version.. when will OOo 1.1.3 make it into warty?
[11:15] <Pozac> never
[11:15] <Amaranth> No.
[11:15] <Amaranth> Warty is frozen, it won't change.
[11:15] <Pozac> unless you backport it
[11:15] <ogra> zenwhen: dont you think a 6 month release cycle is enough ? i can live 6 months with the current version
[11:15] <occy> ogra: much better looking
[11:15] <djuuss> arg
[11:16] <crimsun> hey occy, how's the triath training going?
[11:16] <occy> crimsun: did my first 21 miler sunday!
[11:16] <djuuss> guess i'll back up my /home and try hoary
[11:16] <occy> w00p
[11:16] <crimsun> nice!
[11:16] <ogra> wpw
[11:16] <occy> whew, it was work, that's for sure.
[11:16] <djuuss> ciao
[11:16] <occy> sites are down due to upgrade of the php bug.
[11:16] <zenwhen> ogra, many people can't. I dont see how backports hurt anyone. There are people who want a) updated software and b) stability. Backports + warty is just that.
[11:16] <naibed> gilligan_, try witch alsactl..
[11:16] <occy> otherwise I'd point you to em'
[11:16] <occy> :)
[11:16] <Bumjubeo> So here it is :) Ive installed Ubuntu and its all succesful, its on a dell inspiron 7500 - It goes through the verbose startup no problem, and once its all done that, the screen goes black, if I turn off the laptop, I see the login screen however the computer is shutting down. Ubuntu will load up if im using the live cd, anyone have any clues for this one :)
[11:17] <Pozac> portage is excellent for this task
[11:17] <saif> hello, guys, any good books on how to develop web applications using mono?!?! if that is possible?!?!
[11:17] <Amaranth> saif: whoa, slow down
[11:17] <DaNewB> How can I make my serial mouse work?
[11:17] <crimsun> saif: yes, there's an excellent one. Hold.
[11:17] <ogra> zenwhen: i didnt say they hurt anyone.....i am just a little sad that the manpower gets lost on a dead dog
[11:17] <Pozac> if you want newer than warty and not unstable - compile it yourself, using portage
[11:17] <Amaranth> crimsun: Mono: A Developer's Handbook? :)
[11:17] <naibed> or pkgsrc :P
[11:17] <occy> hmmm
[11:18] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, X error probably
[11:18] <saif> was that too fast?!?! sorry! :)
[11:18] <occy> at 1024x768 there is some wierd blurring of things
[11:18] <etorix> yeah .. if you have a week to spare
[11:18] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, can you use CTRL-ALT-F1 to jump to a console when the screen is black?
[11:18] <NewComer> darksatanic, edit ur XF86config, put /dev/tty0
[11:18] <Bumjubeo> let me just check that one
[11:18] <occy> it's crystal clear at 1400x1050
[11:18] <occy> (which I'd love to use by my almost 60 year old Mom would have issues with that res)
[11:18] <bytecoder> occy: why would you want to run X at a lower resolution then the max?
[11:19] <NewComer> DaNewB, edit ur XF86config, put /dev/tty0 as input device in mouse section
[11:19] <Amaranth> ogra: If you want up-to-the-minute packages use hoary or gentoo. The 6-month cycle is designed for have a system that doesn't change little by little so it's easier to maintain and support.
[11:19] <saif> Amaranth: thanx!! i'll chk it out!
[11:19] <occy> bytecoder: see above :)
[11:19] <zenwhen> ogra, well it is a double edged sword. People would compile the apps themseleves if they wanted them. this just makes it easier. I refuse to run hoary until there is a preview ISO.
[11:19] <NewComer> darksatanic, sorry that wasn't for u
[11:19] <ogra> Amaranth: heh, i know :)
[11:19] <martin_> Pozac, when i mark xine for installation it tells me that i need to remove gstreamer and desktop(?) and to install xine
[11:19] <Pozac> ogra, I find it weird that people who give their software away in two versions - stable and unstable - cannot give their users stable updates for 6 months
[11:19] <martin_> to install xine*
[11:19] <Pozac> martin_, Yes. Do it.
[11:19] <zenwhen> No matter how helpful it might be, I cannot be incovenienced with instability.
[11:19] <crimsun> Amaranth: of course :)
[11:19] <ogra> zenwhen: i got an extra box for hoary testing and development :)
[11:19] <Bumjubeo> Prozac: ctrl-alt-f1 took me to the console yeah
[11:19] <Amaranth> zenwhen: You can't make a preview ISO of a constantly moving target. It literally changes every hour.
[11:19] <martin_> Pozac, ok.
[11:19] <crimsun> saif: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/monoadn/
[11:20] <ogra> zenwhen: but use warty for all my work
[11:20] <Pozac> martin_, ubuntu-desktop is just a empty package to make sure you install all the stuff the ubuntu guys want you to have is there
[11:20] <crimsun> saif: in fact, look here: http://www.mono-project.com/about/books.html
[11:20] <DaNewB> NewComer, thnks, i'll try
[11:20] <Amaranth> crimsun: I talk to the author from time to time on irc.gnome.org :)
[11:20] <crimsun> Amaranth:)
[11:20] <Pozac> martin_, and totem-xine conflicts with totem-gstreamer, which is needed by ubuntu-desktop :)
[11:20] <zenwhen> ogra, I have a warty server and a warty desktop. I am thinking baout building a third box for Hoary testing.
[11:20] <saif> all righty! thanx a lot!
[11:20] <ogra> martin_: reinistall this package before you upgrade to the next stable version of ubuntu....many things will rely on it
[11:20] <Amaranth> saif: You probably want an ASP.NET book and the Mono one.
[11:21] <bytecoder> you could always install gstreamer-mad, which enables support for the "controversial" formats
[11:21] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, login and edit your XF86Config
[11:21] <Amaranth> saif: The ASP.NET one will teach you how to use that and the Mono one will show you how to setup mono to use it for web sites.
[11:21] <Bumjubeo> awesome, thanks prozac!
[11:21] <bytecoder> I think you need to enable the debian marillat repository to get it, though
[11:21] <saif> Amaranth: I don't think i need the asp.net one,
[11:21] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, do you know what to do to fix it?
[11:21] <saif> Amaranth: been developing c# for 2 years now!
[11:21] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, I think your resolution might be too high by default or something
[11:21] <Amaranth> oh
[11:22] <Bumjubeo> Not really :) But I figured google could help me out instead of bothering you guys some more :)
[11:22] <Amaranth> saif: Then just get Mono: A Developer
[11:22] <Amaranth> err, that one :P
[11:22] <saif> Amaranth: thanx for the advice though, will get the mono one!
[11:22] <eim> grub-install has just destroied the boot-sector of an NTFS partition. Any ideas on how to recover it? Thanks.
[11:22] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, I'll help you out
[11:22] <Bumjubeo> okay, sweet deal then :)
[11:22] <martin_> cool Pozac, it works :)
[11:23] <Amaranth> saif: If you want to talk to the author I believe he is edd on irc.gnome.org. He would be in #mono.
[11:23] <martin_> why does it take so much time to load though?
[11:23] <ogra> martin_: dont forget ygout the package on upgrade ;)
[11:23] <ogra> about
[11:23] <saif> really?!?!
[11:23] <Amaranth> eim: Don't, use grub to boot windows.
[11:24] <Amaranth> saif: Yeah.
[11:24] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, just open the file in your editor (nano -w /etc/X11/XF86Config), find the section with the resolutions and remove the highest one on all lines
[11:24] <saif> nice nice! good to know that, i don't think i wanna bother him with stuff that i can read in books! if i run into walls or problems i'kk go there! :)
[11:24] <Pozac> unless it's the resolution you intend to use and know the monitor can do, ofcourse :)
[11:24] <Amaranth> saif: Just ask him if his book has what you need. :)
[11:24] <Pozac> martin_, np :)
[11:24] <Pozac> martin_, Does it take a long time to load?
[11:25] <Pozac> More than a couple of seconds?
[11:25] <ogra> Pozac: please dont forget to tell the people that ubuntu-desktop is very important on a stable to stable upgrade
[11:25] <saif> Amaranth: thanx a milion! i'll go there then! c ya!
[11:25] <Amaranth> saif: See you there. :)
[11:25] <saif> exit
[11:26] <saif> :)
[11:26] <ogra> Pozac: there will be important things missing if they upgrade and the package is not there
[11:26] <Pozac> martin_, the ubuntu-desktop package is very important when you upgrade to hoary in april
[11:26] <AndyR> lo ppl
[11:26] <ogra> Pozac: thanks ;)
[11:26] <Pozac> ogra, ok..
[11:27] <Pozac> ogra, now, not to nag, but can't both totem's just provide a totem like portage?
[11:27] <linux_mafia> Amaranth, is that edd dumbill, you talking about?
[11:27] <Pozac> ogra, so it won't be removed when totem-xine is installed?
[11:27] <Amaranth> linux_mafia: Yeah.
[11:27] <Pozac> ogra, that is, you must admit, kinda lame...
[11:28] <linux_mafia> Amaranth, sweet, he seems like a pretty damn smart guy from what ive read
[11:28] <ogra> Pozac: nope, its a policy you have to make if you want to give professional support
[11:28] <guru> hi m8s
[11:28] <guru> does anybody know sth. about the root user?
[11:28] <the--dud> i just made a new ubuntu cd image mirror in texas usa *_*
[11:28] <ogra> Pozac: i.e. no ubuntu-desktop..... unsupported software (universe SW)
[11:28] <guru> I am new to ubuntu
[11:29] <guru> So I did not find the root user
[11:29] <scizzo> guru: did you read the thing before you created the account?
[11:29] <gilligan_> hm.noone else experiencing troubles with sound in hoary ?
[11:29] <Pozac> ogra, but im amateur.. and will gladly support as much of universe as I can
[11:29] <ogra> guru: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:29] <scizzo> guru: I mean the normal user account?
[11:29] <stvn> guru: sudo is your friend
[11:29] <scizzo> guru: ubuntu is using sudo
[11:29] <Bumjubeo> pozac: Did I need to be root to edit XF86Config?
[11:29] <naibed> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com refuses connection :S
[11:29] <ogra> Pozac: thats fine....but canonical probably once wants to live from its supported part ;)
[11:30] <guru> not really all the other distributions I tried had ther sth like normal user
[11:30] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, yes.. sudo nano sorry :(
[11:30] <Bumjubeo> ahh np :)
[11:30] <crimsun> gilligan_: nope. Sound's fine here.
[11:30] <ogra> guru: please read the wiki
[11:30] <ogra> naibed: so probably someone is working on it.....
[11:31] <Pozac> ogra, I'm not sure what my helping out supporting what I use and know about has anything to with how canonical wants to live?
[11:31] <naibed> ogra, shit! XD
[11:31] <guru> ok thx m8s
[11:31] <gilligan_> crimsun: hm.wonder what the hell happened.. it worked just fine before i did the apt-get upgrade..  whatever player I try, it doesnt complain.. but i get only silence..
[11:31] <stvn> Pozac: shh, there are a lot of canonical ppl here, they want to get paid ;)
[11:31] <ogra> Pozac: canonical made ubuntu possible..... who do you think pays for this all ?
[11:31] <Pozac> ogra, However, any advice and comments on my behaviour is gladly appreciated, don't get me wrong
[11:31] <naibed> Bad Gateway: the proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
[11:31] <crimsun> gilligan_: well, what player are you using?
[11:31] <DaNewB> NewComer, after editing XF86Config, what do I do?
[11:32] <Pozac> ogra, I know I know
[11:32] <crimsun> AndyR: please no spam, thanks :)
[11:32] <gilligan_> crimsun: doesnt matter.same for whatever i try
[11:32] <Pozac> ogra, Does this mean I cannot help you support these poor noobs?
[11:32] <crimsun> Pozac: we're all "noobs"
[11:32] <scizzo> Pozac: please...stop using the work "noobs"
[11:32] <crimsun> gilligan_: what sound hardware?
[11:32] <Pozac> crimsun, I too..
[11:32] <ogra> Pozac: so let them make the policy they need for pro support and enjoy the benefit you get from the freeness of their distro ;)
[11:32] <ironwolf> what happened to apt in hoary?  I keep getting "unknown error executing gpgv" when I do an apt-get update  Anyone have an idea how to rectify this?
[11:32] <scizzo> everyone is in a learnin stage...
[11:33] <Pozac> scizzo, sorry
[11:33] <AndyR> crimsun, hardly spam, but i wont do it again
[11:33] <crimsun> AndyR: much appreciated.
[11:33] <gilligan_> crimsun: powerbook.. onboard sound.. worked fine before..
[11:33] <AMIGrAve> what's the difference between package nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server ?
[11:33] <bassinboy> Chibifs
[11:33] <ogra> Pozac: universe is not supported by canonical....and will never be i guess, so they need you for this....
[11:33] <Pozac> yes
[11:34] <Pozac> And certainly, I will make sure the .. people.. know the true implications of their actions
[11:35] <Pozac> And remind them how they must use their package manager to break their video players before they upgrade. :)
[11:35] <ogra> heh
[11:35] <occy> crimsun: thanks for asking :)
[11:35] <Pozac> sadly
[11:35] <ogra> Pozac: you must not......but it will cause much more support not telling them.....
[11:36] <crimsun> occy: np, I remember my own marathon training. :)
[11:36] <occy> crimsun: yeah?
[11:37] <occy> crimsun: how come you don't hang out in #fitgeek?
[11:37] <ogra> Pozac: ubuntu/canonical/gnome simply decided to support gstreamer (which is totem) and only one videoplayer will be in the supported stuff
[11:37] <occy> :)
[11:37] <crimsun> occy: didn't know of it til just now :)
[11:37] <occy> hehe
[11:37] <occy> check out fitgeek.org too
[11:37] <Pozac> ogra, Yeh, but ubuntu-desktop is not only supported, it's also required
[11:37] <crimsun> cool, thanks :)
[11:38] <Pozac> ogra, don't you think the package manager should take care of that?
[11:38] <ogra> Pozac: only on upgrade
[11:38] <Pozac> yeh
[11:38] <Pozac> only when needed
[11:38] <Pozac> like I don't need ubuntu when my computer is off
[11:38] <ogra> Pozac: but you would read upgrade notes bfore you upgrade ?
[11:39] <Pozac> ogra, Maybe
[11:39] <ogra> they will mention this ....
[11:40] <Pozac> well
[11:40] <Pozac> how does it create more support then?
[11:40] <the--dud> rosetta keeps giving me errors when i try to change add some translations >_<
[11:40] <Pozac> :)
[11:40] <ogra> the ppl that dont read upgrade notes ;)
[11:41] <BuckyG> Anyone got ideas on how to get an Zip250 Atapi seen in Warty?
[11:41] <calc> load ide-floppy
[11:42] <BuckyG> I'm a Wintel newbie.  How do you load ide-floppy?
[11:42] <gpled> are their any apps for ubuntu, that would let someone read their hotmail accounts?  want to use t-bird, but hotmail uses http-mail, instead of pop3.
[11:42] <Pozac> BuckyG, add it to /etc/modules
[11:42] <the--dud> " A system error occurred." so damn informative as well
[11:43] <Pozac> BuckyG, or 'modprobe ide-floppy' if you need it now
[11:44] <ogra> the--dud: they just reboot it.....
[11:44] <Bumjubeo> Pozac: well ive changed the resolutions all the way down to 800x600 which I know this monitor will support, could it be because of thsi error - PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 000 0:00:07.1 ?
[11:45] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, Gee, I'm not sure - could be, though..
[11:47] <Pozac> Bumjubeo, Here's a suggestion.. boot the livecd, copy the XF86Config to your disc
[11:47] <Bumjubeo> k, makes sense.
[11:48] <the--dud> ogra, okay, lets hope it starts working soon then...
[11:48] <mh_le> How "new" are the packages in ubuntu? same as debian?
[11:48] <xskoulax> newer
[11:48] <xskoulax> i think
[11:48] <Pozac> eh
[11:48] <Pozac> hoary tracks sid?
[11:48] <Pozac> or how is it?
[11:48] <ogra> Pozac: yep unilt the codefreeze
[11:49] <ogra> Pozac: then the testing starts.....
[11:49] <mh_le> xskoulax: how does it deal with self compiled programs?
[11:49] <ogra> Pozac: then it gets released
[11:49] <Pozac> ogra, that's going to be sweet.
[11:50] <BuckyG> Thanks, Pozac.  It's working now...
[11:50] <ogra> Pozac: a stable debian every 6 months *g*
[11:50] <Pozac> mh_le, or do you mean stable?
[11:50] <Pozac> BuckyG, np
[11:50] <mh_le> Pozac: yeah, I guess
[11:51] <D0wnXcaST> anyone could tell me exactly what a shell account?
[11:51] <D0wnXcaST> sorry ig this is newbi, I AM :)
[11:51] <ogra> mh_le: the stable packages are from august i think
[11:51] <ogra> mh_le: the majority.....some came in later
[11:52] <mh_le> I see
[11:52] <ogra> mh_le: but the newest are from october
[11:52] <mh_le> cool
[11:52] <ogra> mh_le: (not regarding the sceurity updates though)
[11:52] <Pozac> D0wnXcaST, a shell is the command line interface to the computer. An account is like what the banks use, so they can charge money for it.
[11:52] <punkrockguy318> and all the importannt updates you can get from warty-backports anyway
[11:53] <Pozac> D0wnXcaST, an account usually means you get a username
[11:53] <D0wnXcaST> whats the link between account and shell?
[11:53] <ogra> punkrockguy318: i doubt the importance
[11:53] <andy> hi, i'm having issues installing software onto the system.  I'm new at linux, so basic descriptions would be great.  Thanks! :)
[11:53] <D0wnXcaST> when i go in my console on ubuntu, is it a shell?
[11:53] <ogra> andy http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[11:53] <punkrockguy318> ogra, they're pretty nifty update... xchat, firefox, gaim...
[11:53] <ogra> D0wnXcaST: yep
[11:54] <D0wnXcaST> ok
[11:54] <ogra> punkrockguy318: you said important first ;)
[11:54] <Pozac> D0wnXcaST, and you are using your own user-account.
[11:54] <ogra> punkrockguy318: they are probably nice or beautiful......but i doubt the importance
[11:54] <xskoulax> mh_le, binary i think
[11:54] <D0wnXcaST> ok !
[11:55] <mh_le> xskoulax: no source?
[11:55] <xskoulax> you can get source
[11:55] <xskoulax> and compile that if you wish
[11:55] <mh_le> goodie
[11:55] <etorix> hmm .. no rcconf .. no ksysv ..
[11:56] <ogra> etorix: rather gsysv if it yould exist *g*
[11:56] <ogra> would
[11:56] <etorix> what services-controller is
[11:56] <ogra> etorix: rm
[11:56] <etorix> on here?
[11:57] <ogra> etorix: remove the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d
[11:57] <ogra> etorix: or do sudo /etc/init.d/servicename start/stop/reload
[11:59] <ogra> etorix: the gnome-system-tools part for runlevel control was buggy when warty got released... for hoary there will be a new tool
[11:59] <Pozac> ogra, will the init system change?