=== sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:25] plovs_: ping === Burgundavia_ [~rasputin@67.110.41.3.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:50] hey all [01:59] hey again, still a couple of minutes to go. [02:04] you tried out baz yet? [02:06] Burgundavia_: ah not past installing it....not yet, been busy with country team and other stuff.. [02:07] ah [02:07] Is cool stuff [02:07] yes, it sure looks like it is :) [02:07] I promised to write a quickstart guide before Jan 4 [02:07] So I have my hands full learning it [02:07] you should contact plovs about it - he may have done lots of work on it I think [02:11] I meant to baz [02:11] eh for it :) [02:11] hehe [02:11] As for the quickguide, ya I would like to see what is bubbling over [02:11] Now i get it [02:11] Burgundavia_: so any doc ready for baz? [02:12] should be fun, as the current stuff is crap, thus I have rewrite it [02:12] current stuff is all tla [02:12] there is a guide/howto currently? [02:12] eh, not for the baz interface.. [02:12] there is a really really wierd one [02:12] just install bazaar-doc and take a lok [02:13] this is the current guide? [02:13] ya, that is the arch docs [02:13] where does it install it? [02:14] apt-get install bazaard-doc [02:14] bazaar-doc [02:14] did that, does it appear under /usr/share/doc ? [02:15] is think so [02:15] ya, under bazaar-doc in that dir [02:17] looks strange , true. [02:18] the tla -h is something even more bizaar [02:18] :) [02:19] as you can see, it needs an overhaul, so that real people can actually use baz, not to mention all the changes [02:20] actually, the tutorial doesn't look _that_ bad, ofcourse I dind't really try those commands with tla. [02:21] so baz is working on top of tla? [02:22] no, baz is tla forked [02:25] ah, so it's the same code with improvements? [02:27] ya [02:30] as the devs describe it, tla without the crack [02:50] all right, got to catch my flight [02:50] talk to you in a couple of days [04:43] anybody here? [04:43] not asleep? === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:56] hello! Anyone around? === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://irclog.workaround.org | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by sivang at Sat Nov 20 20:50:09 2004 [09:35] ChrisH: hello! [09:36] ChrisH: everything allright? [09:36] I had this question: how do I show an image in a wiki page in Moin format? [09:37] enrico: more or less... baby is getting another tooth... total sleep time last night: 10 minutes :) [09:38] enrico: Didn't figure it out either. I was googling around for hours already but couldn't find any decent documentation of the Moin markup === sid77 [~sid77@151.11.187.66] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.88] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:50] ciao babbari [09:55] ChrisH: ah, ok. The only thing I found is that if in Moin you write a URL pointing to an image, the image shows up [09:55] ChrisH: however, this would be a URL pointing to a WikiName [09:55] cenerentola: ciao [09:55] ChrisH: oh, well, I'll do without maybe [09:56] do you guys know if there0s already a welcome panel [something that shows up when you run ubuntu after installation, or everytime u use the live cd] [09:56] planned.. [09:57] ? [09:57] enrico: I'd be happy for /any/ piece of documentation about Moin. Looks like it a grand secret. [09:58] cenerentola: yes, there is an "about ubuntu" HTML page which is about to be converted into DocBook to show it as a Yelp welcome page [09:58] ChrisH: oh, in the Moin websites you find many things [09:59] enrico: i meant something like mandrake's one... with links to the control centre and so on.. [09:59] ChrisH: Please also have a look at DifferencesWithRealMoin [09:59] ChrisH: I remember plovs was also working on a Moin markup cheat sheet [10:00] ChrisH: as soon as he comes online, we can ask [10:00] cenerentola: should be something like that, yes [10:01] enrico: thanks a lot... e hooray for la gnocca [10:02] cenerentola: hooray! [10:02] ChrisH: can you access the svn repo at 69.155.172.150 ? [10:03] I committed regularly 5 minutes ago, and now I can't seem to be able to checkout [10:03] connection times out [10:03] well, hasn't timed out yet, but it's been doing nothing for a long time [10:05] enrico: Yes, the svn repo works here. [10:06] enrico: plovs has written a short list of Moin markup. But it includes titles and lists - that's it. I couldn't find anything about tables, nested lists, embedded images etc. [10:07] ChrisH: tables are easy: just have a look at the source of the conference page, which has a table with people that did plan to attend [10:07] [svn] Ok, I may have routing problems from here, then [10:07] enrico: Sure, I could get it all together by looking at other people's pages. I just wished there was a reference manual somewhere. And Moin is widespread enough that there should be something like that IMHO. Not on our Wiki but from the developers of the MoinWiki. [10:08] everybuddy in da chan [and Her Majesty Enrico "The Secretary"] : when u're finished, could you please give some hints, and directives to introduce the "Ubuntu Course Book" to the school council? [10:10] thanks a lot ;-) [10:15] Usually in the MoinMoin pages there is one explaning the markup, in every MoinMoin wiki [10:15] Let me find you one [10:16] ChrisH: http://www.bfsf.it/wiki/HelpOnEditing [10:16] ChrisH: is that what you were looking for? [10:17] enrico: Ah, very good, thanks. [10:19] cenerentola: I suggest you discuss such a strategy with a friendly professor in that school, so that you create a project which suits the local context of the school itself [10:21] enrico: ok, but what about the contents... ohh i see.. you're going to be the project manager... [10:21] ok [10:21] ..5...4...3....2....1... chi tace acconsente... THANK YOU ENRICO ;) === enrico larts cenerentola with a huge club === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.84] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:22] About the contents, I suggest you just let the school project decide on them [10:22] If they use Ubuntu, then they can create a guide for schools with what they feel it is relevant for them [10:22] enrico: well since we're going to use it "everywhere"... and you have THE EXPERIENCE... some hints would be a nice idea thou [10:23] The outcome of such local project usually brings in creativity from the new environment (which is the school) and has a better quality than anything that can be created in the existing old community [10:23] plovs: good morning! [10:23] enrico: buon giorno plovs. [10:23] ! [10:23] cenerentola: my experience has always been to let people (schools, course attendees) decide on what's best for them [10:24] enrico: so i will. oki. [10:24] not only they'd bring more in a different kind of experience, but they'd feel the work "more belonging to them" ("pi loro") and do things with more enthousiasm [10:25] nice translation.. [10:25] enrico: you're right.. wax on... wax off... [10:26] plovs: I remember you were writing (or about to write) a Moin markup cheat sheet... is it already online somewhere? [10:26] ChrisH: :(( can't access the svn repo from Italy either :'( [10:27] The funny thing is that I stopped being able to access it just when I was trying to do an svk mirror! :( [10:27] enrico: Same here now. The repository is a /bit/ too unreliable for my taste. [10:28] (http://svk.elixus.org/) I met the developers here in Taiwan over the week-end [10:28] 2 days ago I wrote to John asking what to do if the repo is down while he's in Vegas, but he hasn't got back to me yet [10:28] Yes another archive system? :) Like baz isn't confusing enough. [10:28] *Yet [10:29] ChrisH: :) [10:29] ChrisH: this is a toy that runs on top of subversion that I wanted to try, but nothing that would annoy anyone that is not interested [10:30] ChrisH: it's only that there are people that use it in other svn repositories that I work in, and find it cool, so I wanted to have a look [10:30] Read that. I won't object to that. One thing that I sometimes find annoying in Ubuntu is that every common system is being trashed and rewritten. [10:31] q enrico : no no.. Miyagi sensei.. wax on... wax off [10:31] ChrisH: :) [10:31] sorry.. === sid77 [~sid77@151.11.187.66] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ChrisH has reached a rate of three cups of cappuccino per hour now [10:34] ChrisH: what kind of cappuccino? italian? or rest-of-the-world one? [10:35] cenerentola: Rest-of-the-world-in-a-can-in-power-form-to-be-put-in-boiling-water [10:35] *powder [10:36] blahhh ;) [10:36] I just do it for the caffeine. I'm out of syringes. [10:37] ok.. have you tried to smoke dried bananas? [10:38] svn mirror is up again [10:38] sorry: svn repository is up again. [10:38] Now I try mirroring it! [10:38] enrico: that cinese thing is in perl... you... betrayer [10:38] ;) [10:39] cenerentola: first think, it's taiwanese: if you call it chinese, it's a diplomatic incident :) [10:39] chrish: i think that there will be a Hoary release party, in april, in Milan... you're absolutely invited.. [10:39] enrico: sorry.. [10:40] enrico: what about the ninja that ran into the kitchen's window... did i say sth so wrong? [10:41] ChrisH: at least you'll drink something that can, reasonably, be called cappuccino: the other half of heavens.. [10:41] cenerentola: Thanks. :) But looking back to the chaos I had in Mataro I think I'll rather stay home and watch it from here. :) [10:41] ChrisH: chaos? [10:42] enrico: Wife and baby mostly. Completely wrong decision to allow them to come with me. [10:42] enrico: I had enjoyed the conf much more if I had more to time to spend with other people. This way I had 5 minutes with everybody and it was like running from one chaos to another. [10:43] enrico: Or do you remember having seen me sitting relaxed at my notebook (which didn't boot every second time)? :) [10:43] ChrisH: :) [10:43] ChrisH: it's quite normal for conferences, however, to only be able to do 10% of what you planned [10:43] enrico: It not the fault of the conference at all. But like this is was just annoying. [10:44] it's almost normal that 10% is a big lot of things, also because you add 90% of what you didn't plan [10:44] enrico: Needed to learn a lot of names from people I had hardly talked with on IRC. That slowed things down. And of course hardly anyone knew me. :) [10:44] ChrisH: unfortunately, the weather was not nice enough for your wive to bring the child to the beach or something like that [10:45] enrico: We had one walk at the beach and she absolutely enjoyed being there (after staying in the living room for 9 months with a baby that just talks like a core dump). So she liked it. But it was an obstruction to me. [10:45] enrico: After four days I was very glad to be back home. [10:46] enrico: Travelling large distances bothers me already. But carrying half of a children room with me and pacify a crying baby is not very relaxing. [10:53] ChrisH: :) [10:53] ChrisH: but the crying baby talking like a core dump is so cute anyway [10:55] enrico: Admitted. :) And he is godlike in choosing one-time passwords. === sid77 [~sid77@151.11.187.66] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:00] ChrisH: OH! That is cool! [11:00] ChrisH: although you risk low entropy maybe? "babbaababah" [11:01] I made a local full mirror of the repository [11:01] now I try to play with it [11:24] first thing I tried to do, I found a bug in svk! :) [11:24] I'm so powerful :) [11:41] enrico: what about your brand new laptop? did you buy it? === plovs_ [~plovs@195.13.248.84] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mercurus [~mercurus@pipp-p-144-138-229-238.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.84] has joined #ubuntu-doc === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> tolkien.freenode.net === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.84] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:15] cenerentola: sure! Bought new laptop the day after I got here, I'm superhappy about it [03:15] cenerentola: saved around 300eur [03:24] enrico: vattinne raccomandato emmerda [03:24] should we know the specs? [03:26] cenerentola: :) ASUS Centrino 1.6, 4hours battery, 768Mb RAM, 60Gb HD, ATI mobility 9000, USB Firewire IrDA PCMCIA, video 14.2, centrino wireless, bag, 1 optical USB mouse, alluminium case: only weights 2.2Kg [03:26] cenerentola: 1088euro all inclusive [03:27] dont worry even the "fanculizzati raccomandato" is included DO NOT WORRY or PAIN. === ChrisH considers buying a Pentium M flaptop or 999 Eur... [03:28] ChrisH: where?? [03:28] chrish: have a look on google: powerbook 888p [03:29] it costs a little more but it worths every cent [03:29] ;) [03:29] cenerentola: oh, and Linux works with all the hardware I tried so far [03:29] enrico: blah.. disgustin [03:29] I used the Ubuntu live CD to test the laptop before buying it [03:30] enrico: ehehe... Because You Warty't [03:30] ...ok stupid sentence [03:30] enrico: at my employer... let me grab the link [03:31] oh, nice, the svn repo is down again [03:31] http://www.otto.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/OttoDe/de_DE/-/EUR/OV_DisplayProductInformation-ProductRef;sid=fZ8cOrfZHIceOvYQ-Lg2Gqx1pCJUqRuRUVQn7Yo7pboF9d0GzWI=?ProductRef=7572121-0-17654@OttoDe&ls=0&SearchDetail=1&aktPage=0&Query_Text=laptop&Farbe_Text=&ArtikelID_Text=&Personen_Text=&PreisMin_Text=&PreisMax_Text=&Hersteller_Text=&Artikel_Text=&Stichwoerter_Text=&Artikel=Notebook&Hersteller=&Trend=&stype=normal [03:32] ChrisH: if you pasted me the webpage contents, it was probably shorter :) [03:32] Similar to this one (sorry for the ugly link). Just with a Pentium M. DVD burner, 256 MB RAM, 30 GB hdd, and (!) XP Home :) [03:32] Minus 15% for me. ;) [03:33] ChrisH: sounds like a great deal!! [03:34] enrico: At least better than my Pentium III 400 with 128 MB (not upgradable). :( [03:34] Centrinos are nice: lots of battery time, wireless lan (works with linux no ndiswrapper, here at least) [03:35] id say works with ubuntu [03:35] not every distro has ipw drivers [03:35] yes, works with ubuntu [03:35] In Debian you install the ipw driver source, compile it against the current kernel headers, then download the firmware from Intel (or copy it from Ubuntu) [03:36] which is someting "longer" [03:36] *h* [03:36] oh, yes [03:46] enrico: do you know what kind of windows manager martin schulze uses? [03:47] uh, no, no idea [03:47] But if all windows are fullscreen, or you can't see the background in any way, it must be ion [03:51] ok thx === plovs [~plovs@62.84.21.44] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:17] plovs: hello! [04:17] plovs: around? [04:17] plovs: are you finaly here? ;l) [04:52] question: what is the canonical ubuntu way for burning CDs? [04:53] enrico: you should ask kamoin about it, he has some hackish script that tried to do that [04:54] sivang: you mean, no CD-burning programs in main? [04:54] I don't mean "burning Ubuntu CD images", but just mastering CDs using Ubuntu [04:54] enrico: I don't think so, most of the are in optional [04:54] So, if someone asks "how do I burn a CD with Ubuntu?", what do we answer? [04:55] enrico: nautilus [04:55] enrico: so it's [04:55] _in_ main from the desktop point of view [04:55] that is, you open "nautilus-cd-burner" and use it [04:55] and it comes intalled on the desktop. === mercurus [~mercurus@PIPP-p-144-134-201-192.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:58] sivang: ok, thanks [04:58] just adding one or two things to the Applications for people migrating from windows part of the users guide [04:59] sivang: BTW, you need to use tags around every paragraph, not only around the full text. I already fixed your intro in the guide [04:59] enrico: good, please bug me on the intro part - I have sketches somewhere on my desktop and I finally need to get it done :) [04:59] enrico: hehe was just hinking of that :) [05:00] enrico: thanks! [05:00] sivang: please work offline at the moment, as the repository is a bit down [05:00] enrico: yes, we should investigate baz further and have the repo integrated with the rest of the hoary team [05:00] IMHO [05:01] but since you don't quite celebrate Christmas there, you're welcome to bring forward the work while the others idle a bit ;) [05:01] sivang: eh, but it'd be a bit soon now. We should actually have a stable repo [05:01] I can't understand what's so wrong in it :( [05:02] enrico: wrong about what? [05:02] wow there is even a webmin-burner - CD burning module for webmin [05:04] wrong in that repository: it goes down so often :( [05:04] enrico: I wanted to mail hornbeck something about that, but then felt it was rude so I dropped that idea, you recall he christmas las vegas holiday mail? [05:05] Yes. But don't worry: I mailed him about it === asw waves -- sorry we never really chatted in Barcelona! [05:05] asw: hey! [05:05] asw: yo! [05:06] cenerentola: who is martin schulze? [05:06] sivang: btw, about the markup, you can use yelp to directly show the DocBook XML files: this saves time and provides for a quick preview [05:07] enrico: Ah I know, I have this on my desktop: [05:09] enrico: boy net accesss from uni is _so_ slow [05:09] asw: it was very nice meeting though ! :) [05:10] asw: I especially enjoyed listening to you on the chineese resturant :) although I was trying to timeshare between the two sides of the table :) [05:36] I enjoyed meeting both of you. I thought you guys were going to join us when I ended up talking to plovs until 3am. What happened? [05:36] sivang, enrico: but I should really get some food [which is why I'm marked "away"] === boglot [~logbot@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ChrisH [~chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:51] asw: go get some :) [05:51] hey ChrisH [05:55] asw: we had a walk in the beach, then came back, but everyone disappeared [05:55] I spent some time talking with mako about a bunch of important things we had pending === enrico is about to go to bed [05:56] sivang: hey, master :) [05:57] I asked Elmo about the status of svn migration to Canonical webfarm and we chatted a bit about it, trying to sync with the current status of the situation [05:58] ChrisH: hey father to a model to be baby :) [05:58] enrico: sounded like elmo is too canonical to like svn :) [05:58] Result, we won't have it before beginning of next year, as Elmo will be in vacation as well starting from today [05:58] sivang: say what? :) [05:58] ChrisH: no, not really. He just has to work out the details to fit us accessing the svn repository with the farm security policy [05:59] enrico: I felt they wanted us to migrate it to baz asap [06:00] ChrisH: if they do, then they should set up this baz sandbox one day :) [06:01] enrico: true [06:07] going to bed. === boglot [~logbot@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:21] asw: ping [06:29] hi all === ChrisH [~chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:00] ChrisH: hi! i just continued on a doc and find out how to make links working! [07:03] plovs: Great. How? :) [07:09] General Notes === sm [~simon@lsanca1-ar5-4-60-061-228.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:10] [07:38] svn is down again, at least from here [07:39] poor John, and i thought i had a bad provider [08:03] ChrisH: can you sync with svn? [08:12] plovs: Currently I have extreme problems with my workstation. :( [08:12] plovs: My main hard disk doesn't boot into anything and the partition table seems to be lost. === ChrisH wonders how he can get back his data === douglas [~douglas@suporte2.unilestemg.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === maskie [~maskie@196-30-111-101.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:37] ChrisH: knoppix? [08:39] plovs: Using which tool? I've just plugged the disk into my wife's PC and am running gpart. Didn't recover it so far. :( [09:03] ChrisH: does knoppix have testdisk? [09:03] http://www.sleuthkit.org/informer/sleuthkit-informer-15.html#testdisk [09:09] also gpart is supposed to be a good tool for this [09:13] ChrisH: i tried gpart, it is slow but quite nice [10:07] plovs: hey! === sid77 [~sid77@ppp-226-168.30-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:20] hi [10:47] sivang: hi! [10:47] plovs: ah! [10:47] plovs: finally I talk to you! where have you been the last days? [10:48] we had friends over [10:48] so no computer time [10:48] have you checked out the svn server lately? [10:51] fq2 is starting to look nice [10:53] sivang: and how are you? [10:55] plovs: pretty fine, thanks :) [10:56] have you seen anything of the quickguide that corey is making? [10:56] plovs: not yet :( svn server is mostly down.. [10:56] it is not on the svn server [10:56] btw svn is up atm, so check it out [10:57] plovs: ok, I'll do that now. [11:01] sivang: check out fq2/faq2.xml [11:06] plovs: checking now [11:16] plovs: very very nice [11:16] plovs: so we have 2 short guides, one which is task oriented, one which is feature oriented, and one major hand book. cooool [11:17] i thought that would be good [11:17] we need a faq and this one covers almost everything, why reinvent the wheel? [11:17] plovs: I mean, this just provides every user and his taste something he can use. I like the versatility [11:18] plovs: we can reach a broader range of users like that [11:19] ok, i send something to the list [11:20] plovs: please do :-) [11:20] plovs: btw, you shoudl also add to the booting editing list, that now there is a gui app to do that in hoary [11:20] plovs: "boot-admin" [11:23] we must update the whole thing for hoary, i suppose, i finish this and then make a copy of the dir for hoary, so we end up with two versions [11:25] plovs: btw, just seen a topic there - how to access website faster, disable ipv6. [11:25] plovs: how do I do that? [11:31] i'll put it in [11:37] sivang: ok, update svn [11:38] tn [11:38] x [11:39] updated, cna't see the ipv6 disagble section? [11:41] in tips and tricks [11:42] it seems to work [11:42] doesn't crash my browser anyway [11:42] :-) [11:47] ok, i'm of to bed, goodnight!