[12:25] <sivang> plovs_: ping
[01:50] <Burgundavia_> hey all
[01:59] <sivang> hey again, still a couple of minutes to  go.
[02:04] <Burgundavia_> you tried out baz yet?
[02:06] <sivang> Burgundavia_: ah not past installing it....not yet, been busy with country team and other stuff..
[02:07] <Burgundavia_> ah
[02:07] <Burgundavia_> Is cool stuff
[02:07] <sivang> yes, it sure looks like it is :)
[02:07] <Burgundavia_> I promised to write a quickstart guide before Jan 4
[02:07] <Burgundavia_> So I have my hands full learning it
[02:07] <sivang> you should contact plovs about it - he may have done lots of work on it I think
[02:11] <Burgundavia_> I meant to baz
[02:11] <sivang> eh for it :)
[02:11] <sivang> hehe
[02:11] <Burgundavia_> As for the quickguide, ya I would like to see what is bubbling over
[02:11] <sivang> Now i get it
[02:11] <sivang> Burgundavia_: so any doc ready for baz?
[02:12] <Burgundavia_> should be fun, as the current stuff is crap, thus I have rewrite it
[02:12] <Burgundavia_> current stuff is all tla
[02:12] <sivang> there is a guide/howto currently?
[02:12] <sivang> eh, not for the baz interface..
[02:12] <Burgundavia_> there is a really really wierd one
[02:12] <Burgundavia_> just install bazaar-doc and take a lok
[02:13] <sivang> this is the current guide?
[02:13] <Burgundavia_> ya, that is the arch docs
[02:13] <sivang> where does it install it?
[02:14] <Burgundavia_> apt-get install bazaard-doc
[02:14] <Burgundavia_> bazaar-doc
[02:14] <sivang> did that, does it appear under /usr/share/doc ?
[02:15] <Burgundavia_> is think so
[02:15] <Burgundavia_> ya, under bazaar-doc in that dir
[02:17] <sivang> looks strange , true.
[02:18] <sivang> the tla -h is something even more bizaar
[02:18] <sivang> :)
[02:19] <Burgundavia_> as you can see, it needs an overhaul, so that real people can actually use baz, not to mention all the changes
[02:20] <sivang> actually, the tutorial doesn't look _that_ bad, ofcourse I dind't really try those commands with tla.
[02:21] <sivang> so baz is working on top of tla?
[02:22] <Burgundavia_> no, baz is tla forked
[02:25] <sivang> ah, so it's the same code with improvements?
[02:27] <Burgundavia_> ya
[02:30] <Burgundavia_> as the devs describe it, tla without the crack
[02:50] <Burgundavia_> all right, got to catch my flight
[02:50] <Burgundavia_> talk to you in a couple of days
[04:43] <sivang> anybody here?
[04:43] <sivang> not asleep?
[07:56] <enrico> hello!  Anyone around?
[09:35] <enrico> ChrisH: hello!
[09:36] <enrico> ChrisH: everything allright?
[09:36] <enrico> I had this question: how do I show an image in a wiki page in Moin format?
[09:37] <ChrisH> enrico: more or less... baby is getting another tooth... total sleep time last night: 10 minutes :)
[09:38] <ChrisH> enrico: Didn't figure it out either. I was googling around for hours already but couldn't find any decent documentation of the Moin markup
[09:50] <cenerentola> ciao babbari
[09:55] <enrico> ChrisH: ah, ok.  The only thing I found is that if in Moin you write a URL pointing to an image, the image shows up
[09:55] <enrico> ChrisH: however, this would be a URL pointing to a WikiName
[09:55] <enrico> cenerentola: ciao
[09:55] <enrico> ChrisH: oh, well, I'll do without maybe
[09:56] <cenerentola> do you guys know if there0s already a welcome panel [something that shows up when you run ubuntu after installation, or everytime u use the live cd] 
[09:56] <cenerentola> planned..
[09:57] <cenerentola> ?
[09:57] <ChrisH> enrico: I'd be happy for /any/ piece of documentation about Moin. Looks like it a grand secret.
[09:58] <enrico> cenerentola: yes, there is an "about ubuntu" HTML page which is about to be converted into DocBook to show it as a Yelp welcome page
[09:58] <enrico> ChrisH: oh, in the Moin websites you find many things
[09:59] <cenerentola> enrico: i meant something like mandrake's one... with links to the control centre and so on..
[09:59] <enrico> ChrisH: Please also have a look at DifferencesWithRealMoin
[09:59] <enrico> ChrisH: I remember plovs was also working on a Moin markup cheat sheet
[10:00] <enrico> ChrisH: as soon as he comes online, we can ask
[10:00] <enrico> cenerentola: should be something like that, yes
[10:01] <cenerentola> enrico: thanks a lot... e hooray for la gnocca
[10:02] <enrico> cenerentola: hooray!
[10:02] <enrico> ChrisH: can you access the svn repo at 69.155.172.150 ?
[10:03] <enrico> I committed regularly 5 minutes ago, and now I can't seem to be able to checkout 
[10:03] <enrico> connection times out
[10:03] <enrico> well, hasn't timed out yet, but it's been doing nothing for a long time
[10:05] <ChrisH> enrico: Yes, the svn repo works here.
[10:06] <ChrisH> enrico: plovs has written a short list of Moin markup. But it includes titles and lists - that's it. I couldn't find anything about tables, nested lists, embedded images etc.
[10:07] <enrico> ChrisH: tables are easy: just have a look at the source of the conference page, which has a table with people that did plan to attend
[10:07] <enrico> [svn]  Ok, I may have routing problems from here, then
[10:07] <ChrisH> enrico: Sure, I could get it all together by looking at other people's pages. I just wished there was a reference manual somewhere. And Moin is widespread enough that there should be something like that IMHO. Not on our Wiki but from the developers of the MoinWiki.
[10:08] <cenerentola> everybuddy in da chan [and Her Majesty Enrico "The Secretary"] : when u're finished, could you please give some hints, and directives to introduce the "Ubuntu Course Book" to the school council?
[10:10] <cenerentola> thanks a lot ;-)
[10:15] <enrico> Usually in the MoinMoin pages there is one explaning the markup, in every MoinMoin wiki
[10:15] <enrico> Let me find you one
[10:16] <enrico> ChrisH: http://www.bfsf.it/wiki/HelpOnEditing
[10:16] <enrico> ChrisH: is that what you were looking for?
[10:17] <ChrisH> enrico: Ah, very good, thanks.
[10:19] <enrico> cenerentola: I suggest you discuss such a strategy with a friendly professor in that school, so that you create a project which suits the local context of the school itself
[10:21] <cenerentola> enrico: ok, but what about the contents... ohh i see.. you're going to be the project manager...
[10:21] <cenerentola> ok
[10:21] <cenerentola> ..5...4...3....2....1... chi tace acconsente... THANK YOU ENRICO ;)
[10:22] <enrico> About the contents, I suggest you just let the school project decide on them
[10:22] <enrico> If they use Ubuntu, then they can create a guide for schools with what they feel it is relevant for them
[10:22] <cenerentola> enrico: well since we're going to use it "everywhere"... and you have THE EXPERIENCE... some hints would be a nice idea thou
[10:23] <enrico> The outcome of such local project usually brings in creativity from the new environment (which is the school) and has a better quality than anything that can be created in the existing old community
[10:23] <enrico> plovs: good morning!
[10:23] <cenerentola> enrico: buon giorno plovs.
[10:23] <cenerentola> !
[10:23] <enrico> cenerentola: my experience has always been to let people (schools, course attendees) decide on what's best for them
[10:24] <cenerentola> enrico: so i will. oki.
[10:24] <enrico> not only they'd bring more in a different kind of experience, but they'd feel the work "more belonging to them" ("pi loro") and do things with more enthousiasm
[10:25] <cenerentola> nice translation..
[10:25] <cenerentola> enrico: you're right.. wax on... wax off...
[10:26] <enrico> plovs: I remember you were writing (or about to write) a Moin markup cheat sheet... is it already online somewhere?
[10:26] <enrico> ChrisH: :((  can't access the svn repo from Italy either :'(
[10:27] <enrico> The funny thing is that I stopped being able to access it just when I was trying to do an svk mirror! :(
[10:27] <ChrisH> enrico: Same here now. The repository is a /bit/ too unreliable for my taste.
[10:28] <enrico> (http://svk.elixus.org/)  I met the developers here in Taiwan over the week-end
[10:28] <enrico> 2 days ago I wrote to John asking what to do if the repo is down while he's in Vegas, but he hasn't got back to me yet
[10:28] <ChrisH> Yes another archive system? :) Like baz isn't confusing enough.
[10:28] <ChrisH> *Yet
[10:29] <enrico> ChrisH:  :)
[10:29] <enrico> ChrisH: this is a toy that runs on top of subversion that I wanted to try, but nothing that would annoy anyone that is not interested
[10:30] <enrico> ChrisH: it's only that there are people that use it in other svn repositories that I work in, and find it cool, so I wanted to have a look
[10:30] <ChrisH> Read that. I won't object to that. One thing that I sometimes find annoying in Ubuntu is that every common system is being trashed and rewritten.
[10:31] <cenerentola> q enrico : no no.. Miyagi sensei.. wax on... wax off
[10:31] <enrico> ChrisH: :)
[10:31] <cenerentola> sorry..
[10:34] <cenerentola> ChrisH: what kind of cappuccino? italian? or rest-of-the-world one?
[10:35] <ChrisH> cenerentola: Rest-of-the-world-in-a-can-in-power-form-to-be-put-in-boiling-water
[10:35] <ChrisH> *powder
[10:36] <cenerentola> blahhh ;)
[10:36] <ChrisH> I just do it for the caffeine. I'm out of syringes.
[10:37] <cenerentola> ok.. have you tried to smoke dried bananas?
[10:38] <enrico> svn mirror is up again
[10:38] <enrico> sorry: svn repository is up again.
[10:38] <enrico> Now I try mirroring it!
[10:38] <cenerentola> enrico: that cinese thing is in perl... you... betrayer
[10:38] <cenerentola> ;)
[10:39] <enrico> cenerentola: first think, it's taiwanese: if you call it chinese, it's a diplomatic incident :)
[10:39] <cenerentola> chrish: i think that there will be a Hoary release party, in april, in Milan... you're absolutely invited..
[10:39] <cenerentola> enrico: sorry..
[10:40] <cenerentola> enrico: what about the ninja that ran into the kitchen's window... did i say sth so wrong?
[10:41] <cenerentola> ChrisH: at least you'll drink something that can, reasonably, be called cappuccino: the other half of heavens..
[10:41] <ChrisH> cenerentola: Thanks. :) But looking back to the chaos I had in Mataro I think I'll rather stay home and watch it from here. :)
[10:41] <enrico> ChrisH: chaos?
[10:42] <ChrisH> enrico: Wife and baby mostly. Completely wrong decision to allow them to come with me.
[10:42] <ChrisH> enrico: I had enjoyed the conf much more if I had more to time to spend with other people. This way I had 5 minutes with everybody and it was like running from one chaos to another.
[10:43] <ChrisH> enrico: Or do you remember having seen me sitting relaxed at my notebook (which didn't boot every second time)? :)
[10:43] <enrico> ChrisH: :)
[10:43] <enrico> ChrisH: it's quite normal for conferences, however, to only be able to do 10% of what you planned
[10:43] <ChrisH> enrico: It not the fault of the conference at all. But like this is was just annoying.
[10:44] <enrico> it's almost normal that 10% is a big lot of things, also because you add 90% of what you didn't plan
[10:44] <ChrisH> enrico: Needed to learn a lot of names from people I had hardly talked with on IRC. That slowed things down. And of course hardly anyone knew me. :)
[10:44] <enrico> ChrisH: unfortunately, the weather was not nice enough for your wive to bring the child to the beach or something like that
[10:45] <ChrisH> enrico: We had one walk at the beach and she absolutely enjoyed being there (after staying in the living room for 9 months with a baby that just talks like a core dump). So she liked it. But it was an obstruction to me.
[10:45] <ChrisH> enrico: After four days I was very glad to be back home.
[10:46] <ChrisH> enrico: Travelling large distances bothers me already. But carrying half of a children room with me and pacify a crying baby is not very relaxing.
[10:53] <enrico> ChrisH: :)
[10:53] <enrico> ChrisH: but the crying baby talking like a core dump is so cute anyway
[10:55] <ChrisH> enrico: Admitted. :) And he is godlike in choosing one-time passwords.
[11:00] <enrico> ChrisH: OH!  That is cool!
[11:00] <enrico> ChrisH: although you risk low entropy maybe?  "babbaababah"
[11:01] <enrico> I made a local full mirror of the repository
[11:01] <enrico> now I try to play with it
[11:24] <enrico> first thing I tried to do, I found a bug in svk! :)
[11:24] <enrico> I'm so powerful :)
[11:41] <cenerentola> enrico: what about your brand new laptop? did you buy it?
[03:15] <enrico> cenerentola: sure!  Bought new laptop the day after I got here, I'm superhappy about it
[03:15] <enrico> cenerentola: saved around 300eur
[03:24] <cenerentola> enrico: vattinne  raccomandato emmerda
[03:24] <cenerentola> should we know the specs?
[03:26] <enrico> cenerentola: :)  ASUS Centrino 1.6, 4hours battery, 768Mb RAM, 60Gb HD, ATI mobility 9000, USB Firewire IrDA PCMCIA, video 14.2, centrino wireless, bag, 1 optical USB mouse, alluminium case: only weights 2.2Kg
[03:26] <enrico> cenerentola: 1088euro all inclusive
[03:27] <cenerentola> dont worry even the "fanculizzati raccomandato" is included DO NOT WORRY or PAIN.
[03:28] <enrico> ChrisH: where??
[03:28] <cenerentola> chrish: have a look on google: powerbook 888p
[03:29] <cenerentola> it costs a little more but it worths every cent
[03:29] <cenerentola> ;)
[03:29] <enrico> cenerentola: oh, and Linux works with all the hardware I tried so far
[03:29] <cenerentola> enrico: blah.. disgustin
[03:29] <enrico> I used the Ubuntu live CD to test the laptop before buying it
[03:30] <cenerentola> enrico: ehehe... Because You Warty't
[03:30] <cenerentola> ...ok stupid sentence
[03:30] <ChrisH> enrico: at my employer... let me grab the link
[03:31] <enrico> oh, nice, the svn repo is down again
[03:31] <ChrisH> http://www.otto.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/OttoDe/de_DE/-/EUR/OV_DisplayProductInformation-ProductRef;sid=fZ8cOrfZHIceOvYQ-Lg2Gqx1pCJUqRuRUVQn7Yo7pboF9d0GzWI=?ProductRef=7572121-0-17654@OttoDe&ls=0&SearchDetail=1&aktPage=0&Query_Text=laptop&Farbe_Text=&ArtikelID_Text=&Personen_Text=&PreisMin_Text=&PreisMax_Text=&Hersteller_Text=&Artikel_Text=&Stichwoerter_Text=&Artikel=Notebook&Hersteller=&Trend=&stype=normal
[03:32] <enrico> ChrisH: if you pasted me the webpage contents, it was probably shorter :)
[03:32] <ChrisH> Similar to this one (sorry for the ugly link). Just with a Pentium M. DVD burner, 256 MB RAM, 30 GB hdd, and (!) XP Home :)
[03:32] <ChrisH> Minus 15% for me. ;)
[03:33] <enrico> ChrisH: sounds like a great deal!!
[03:34] <ChrisH> enrico: At least better than my Pentium III 400 with 128 MB (not upgradable). :(
[03:34] <enrico> Centrinos are nice: lots of battery time, wireless lan (works with linux no ndiswrapper, here at least)
[03:35] <cenerentola> id say works with ubuntu
[03:35] <cenerentola> not every distro has ipw drivers 
[03:35] <enrico> yes, works with ubuntu
[03:35] <enrico> In Debian you install the ipw driver source, compile it against the current kernel headers, then download the firmware from Intel (or copy it from Ubuntu)
[03:36] <cenerentola> which is someting "longer"
[03:36] <cenerentola> *h*
[03:36] <enrico> oh, yes
[03:46] <cenerentola> enrico: do you know what kind of windows manager martin schulze uses?
[03:47] <enrico> uh, no, no idea
[03:47] <enrico> But if all windows are fullscreen, or you can't see the background in any way, it must be ion
[03:51] <cenerentola> ok thx
[04:17] <enrico> plovs: hello!
[04:17] <enrico> plovs: around?
[04:17] <sivang> plovs: are you finaly here? ;l)
[04:52] <enrico> question: what is the canonical ubuntu way for burning CDs?
[04:53] <sivang> enrico: you should ask kamoin about it, he has some hackish script that tried to do that 
[04:54] <enrico> sivang: you mean, no CD-burning programs in main?
[04:54] <enrico> I don't mean "burning Ubuntu CD images", but just mastering CDs using Ubuntu
[04:54] <sivang> enrico: I don't think so, most of the are in optional
[04:54] <enrico> So, if someone asks "how do I burn a CD with Ubuntu?", what do we answer?
[04:55] <sivang> enrico: nautilus
[04:55] <sivang> enrico: so it's 
[04:55] <sivang> _in_ main from the desktop point of view
[04:55] <sivang> that is, you open "nautilus-cd-burner" and use it
[04:55] <sivang> and it comes intalled on the desktop.
[04:58] <enrico> sivang: ok, thanks
[04:58] <enrico> just adding one or two things to the Applications for people migrating from windows part of the users guide
[04:59] <enrico> sivang: BTW, you need to use <para> tags around every paragraph, not only around the full text.  I already fixed your intro in the guide
[04:59] <sivang> enrico: good, please bug me on the intro part - I have sketches somewhere on my desktop and I finally need to get it done :)
[04:59] <sivang> enrico: hehe was just hinking of that :)
[05:00] <sivang> enrico: thanks!
[05:00] <enrico> sivang: please work offline at the moment, as the repository is a bit down
[05:00] <sivang> enrico: yes, we should investigate baz further and have the repo integrated with the rest of the hoary team
[05:00] <sivang> IMHO
[05:01] <enrico> but since you don't quite celebrate Christmas there, you're welcome to bring forward the work while the others idle a bit ;)
[05:01] <enrico> sivang: eh, but it'd be a bit soon now.  We should actually have a stable repo
[05:01] <enrico> I can't understand what's so wrong in it :(
[05:02] <sivang> enrico: wrong about what?
[05:02] <sivang> wow there is even a webmin-burner - CD burning module for webmin
[05:04] <enrico> wrong in that repository: it goes down so often :(
[05:04] <sivang> enrico: I wanted to mail hornbeck something about that, but then felt it was rude so I dropped that idea, you recall he christmas las vegas holiday mail?
[05:05] <enrico> Yes.  But don't worry: I mailed him about it
[05:05] <enrico> asw: hey!
[05:05] <sivang> asw: yo!
[05:06] <sivang> cenerentola: who is martin schulze?
[05:06] <enrico> sivang: btw, about the markup, you can use yelp to directly show the DocBook XML files: this saves time and provides for a quick preview
[05:07] <sivang> enrico: Ah I know, I have this on my desktop:
[05:09] <sivang> enrico: boy net accesss from uni is _so_ slow 
[05:09] <sivang> asw: it was very nice meeting though ! :)
[05:10] <sivang> asw: I especially enjoyed listening to you on the chineese resturant :) although I was trying to timeshare between the two sides of the table :)
[05:36] <asw> I enjoyed meeting both of you.  I thought you guys were going to join us when I ended up talking to plovs until 3am.  What happened?
[05:36] <asw> sivang, enrico: but I should really get some food [which is why I'm marked "away"] 
[05:51] <sivang> asw: go get some :)
[05:51] <sivang> hey ChrisH 
[05:55] <enrico> asw: we had a walk in the beach, then came back, but everyone disappeared
[05:55] <enrico> I spent some time talking with mako about a bunch of important things we had pending
[05:56] <ChrisH> sivang: hey, master :)
[05:57] <enrico> I asked Elmo about the status of svn migration to Canonical webfarm and we chatted a bit about it, trying to sync with the current status of the situation
[05:58] <sivang> ChrisH: hey father to a model to be baby :)
[05:58] <ChrisH> enrico: sounded like elmo is too canonical to like svn :)
[05:58] <enrico> Result, we won't have it before beginning of next year, as Elmo will be in vacation as well starting from today
[05:58] <ChrisH> sivang: say what? :)
[05:58] <enrico> ChrisH: no, not really.  He just has to work out the details to fit us accessing the svn repository with the farm security policy
[05:59] <ChrisH> enrico: I felt they wanted us to migrate it to baz asap
[06:00] <enrico> ChrisH: if they do, then they should set up this baz sandbox one day :)
[06:01] <ChrisH> enrico: true
[06:07] <enrico> going to bed.
[06:21] <cenerentola> asw: ping
[06:29] <plovs> hi all
[07:00] <plovs> ChrisH: hi! i just continued on a doc and find out how to make links working!
[07:03] <ChrisH> plovs: Great. How? :)
[07:09] <plovs>  <link linkend="sect-general">General Notes</link>
[07:10] <plovs> <sect1 id="sect-general">
[07:38] <plovs> svn is down again, at least from here
[07:39] <plovs> poor John, and i thought i had a bad provider
[08:03] <plovs> ChrisH: can you sync with svn?
[08:12] <ChrisH> plovs: Currently I have extreme problems with my workstation. :(
[08:12] <ChrisH> plovs: My main hard disk doesn't boot into anything and the partition table seems to be lost.
[08:37] <plovs> ChrisH: knoppix?
[08:39] <ChrisH> plovs: Using which tool? I've just plugged the disk into my wife's PC and am running gpart. Didn't recover it so far. :(
[09:03] <plovs> ChrisH: does knoppix have testdisk?
[09:03] <plovs> http://www.sleuthkit.org/informer/sleuthkit-informer-15.html#testdisk
[09:09] <plovs> also gpart is supposed to be a good tool for this
[09:13] <plovs> ChrisH: i tried gpart, it is slow but quite nice
[10:07] <sivang> plovs: hey!
[10:20] <sid77> hi
[10:47] <plovs> sivang: hi!
[10:47] <sivang> plovs: ah!
[10:47] <sivang> plovs: finally I talk to you! where have you been the last days?
[10:48] <plovs> we had friends over
[10:48] <plovs> so no computer time
[10:48] <plovs> have you checked out the svn server lately?
[10:51] <plovs> fq2 is starting to look nice
[10:53] <plovs> sivang: and how are you?
[10:55] <sivang> plovs: pretty fine, thanks :)
[10:56] <plovs> have you seen anything of the quickguide that corey is making?
[10:56] <sivang> plovs: not yet :( svn server is mostly down..
[10:56] <plovs> it is not on the svn server
[10:56] <plovs> btw svn is up atm, so check it out
[10:57] <sivang> plovs: ok, I'll do that now.
[11:01] <plovs> sivang: check out fq2/faq2.xml
[11:06] <sivang> plovs: checking now
[11:16] <sivang> plovs: very very nice 
[11:16] <sivang> plovs: so we have 2 short guides, one which is task oriented, one which is feature oriented, and one major hand book. cooool
[11:17] <plovs> i thought that would be good
[11:17] <plovs> we need a faq and this one covers almost everything, why reinvent the wheel?
[11:17] <sivang> plovs: I mean, this just provides every user and his taste something he can use. I like the versatility
[11:18] <sivang> plovs: we can reach a broader range of users like that
[11:19] <plovs> ok, i send something to the list
[11:20] <sivang> plovs: please do :-)
[11:20] <sivang> plovs: btw, you shoudl also add to the booting editing list, that now there is a gui app to do that in hoary
[11:20] <sivang> plovs: "boot-admin"
[11:23] <plovs> we must update the whole thing for hoary, i suppose, i finish this and then make a copy of the dir for hoary, so we end up with two versions
[11:25] <sivang> plovs: btw, just seen a topic there - how to access website faster, disable ipv6.
[11:25] <sivang> plovs: how do I do that?
[11:31] <plovs> i'll put it in
[11:37] <plovs> sivang: ok, update svn
[11:38] <sivang> tn
[11:38] <sivang> x
[11:39] <sivang> updated, cna't see the ipv6 disagble section?
[11:41] <plovs> in tips and tricks
[11:42] <plovs> it seems to work
[11:42] <plovs> doesn't crash my browser anyway
[11:42] <plovs> :-)
[11:47] <plovs> ok, i'm of to bed, goodnight!