etorixim on hoary12:00
ograPozac: why should it.....as long as debian doesnt change it, it will stay12:00
ograetorix: there should be a tool in the gnome menu anywhere then12:00
Pozacogra, *cough* rc-update *cough*12:00
ograPozac: not a maintenance tool12:00
etorixerm .. im not in gnome anymore12:00
ograPozac: its a apt backaend12:00
ograetorix: so i cant help you, last kde i touched was 1.2 :)12:01
etorixim in xfce412:01
ograetorix: or thecommandline12:01
etorixgdm/xfce4 64-bit12:01
Pozacogra, I feel that managing my boot has been one of the largest pains in dealing with ubuntu so far.. I hate deleted oddly named symlinks manually :)12:01
ograetorix:i dunno the exact name of the tool12:02
etorixgnome-tools will still run12:02
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ograetorix: something like gnome-runlevel-editor12:02
etorixif i knew what to call12:02
Pozacogra, Removing stuff from rc3.d only to find it being started in rcS.d12:02
Pozacogra, and rcS.d really doesn't say much to me12:03
ograPozac:thatsdebian....why did you mess around with them ?12:03
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ograetorix: or probaly gnome-service-editor12:03
Pozacogra, evms, and every service installed is automatically started at boot12:03
etorixacually .. according to htop i aint got too many illegal services running12:03
margoHow can I use an apple mouse with Ubuntu?12:03
ograPozac: nope12:04
Pozacogra, am I supposed to remember that evms is K20evms and not K30evms?12:04
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ograPozac: only the init script is run12:04
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ograPozac: will you ever use evms ?12:05
Pozacogra, not on this laptop i think12:05
ograPozac: on this installation ?12:05
ogramcan I bind the (useless) windows key and/or the "menu" key on my keyboard as buttons 2 and 3 somehow?12:05
Pozacogra, I also have installed mysql and postgresql just to test them out and play around12:05
ograetorix: volume management .... like lvm12:05
Pozacand here comes the 6 minute boot12:06
etorixid like to disable the raid-probe ting12:06
ograPozac: i ve seen a 45 sec ubuntu boot in spain.....12:07
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etorixthe installer-cd spotted my SATA hd ok12:07
Pozacogra, Yeh, bet that was with evms, postgresql, samba and mysql?12:07
theNeonGodntp wasn't configured right out of the box ('can't find host start' error). what should i do?12:07
punkrockguy318theNeonGod, did you just install?12:08
ograPozac: with everything in a default install.... so no sql servers i guess12:08
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theNeonGodpunkrockguy318, yep12:08
punkrockguy318theNeonGod, same thing just happened to me, try again later12:08
ogratheNeonGod: on a laptop with wlan ?12:09
theNeonGodogra no just a p3 desktop12:09
ogratheNeonGod: then this shouldnt happen.....12:09
theNeonGodi'll try it again in a bit12:09
theNeonGodwhats the package turnover time like for ubuntu? the biggies, firefox, gaim, are a bit out of date.12:10
ogratheNeonGod: wlan is unfortunately started after ntp so there this error is a known bug.... but on desktops the net should be up already12:10
crimsuntheNeonGod: eh?12:10
ogratheNeonGod: april is the next release12:10
crimsuntheNeonGod: Warty receives no package updates at all. It's stable.12:10
PozacNot only stable, frozen12:10
punkrockguy318theNeonGod, if you want the latest versions, check out warty-backports12:10
crimsuntheNeonGod: Hoary has current mozilla-firefox and gaim.12:10
theNeonGodogra running the ntp daemon from terminal within the desktop produces a 'can't find host start' error12:11
ogratheNeonGod: ah, i thought you mean the startup12:11
punkrockguy318theNeonGod, warty-backports has gaim, firefox, xchat... and more..all newest versions12:11
siretarthas anyone experience with evms? I get an "No such device" error message from the startscript. has anybody seen that already? what could be the culprit?12:11
theNeonGodogra im assuming it failed there too. didn't notice.12:11
ograsiretart: do you have evms devices ?12:11
ogratheNeonGod: it would show up red if it failed on boot12:12
siretartogra: what exaclty do you mean with "devices", device nodes?12:12
theNeonGodogra i kno12:12
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siretartogra: /dev/evms has devices, corresponding to my local drives12:13
ograsiretart: nope, i mean do you have any Enterprise Volume Management Devices to manage ?12:13
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siretartogra: I want to create some12:14
siretartso, not yet..12:14
ograsiretart: so i guess you have to create volumes with the empty disks first12:15
wisshallo guys .. yesterday i installed ubuntu .. i had small pro ...12:15
Pozacwiss, yes?12:15
wissi think i had done somthing wrong with sudo12:16
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Aoihi ya, I would like to permanently add echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, how can I do it?12:17
etorixok .. i seem to be still online12:17
ograetorix: nope, youre not !12:18
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wisswhile i open program like synaptic and programs that require root permitions12:18
wissit give errors12:18
ograetorix: its just an illusion ;)12:18
wissFailed to run network-admin as user root:12:18
wiss Child terminated with 1 status12:18
etorixhmm .. no nmap12:18
aquariusHOw unstable is hoary at the moment? If I were using Debian I'd be happy to use Debian unstable: does that roughly equate to hoary? Or is it more unstable than sid?12:18
ograwiss: which password did you give it ? it requires your user pw12:18
ograetorix: hehe12:19
etorixim not crashing much12:19
Pozacaquarius, hoary tracks sid12:19
Aoiaquarius I'm using hoary, pretty stable12:19
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aquariusAh. That's useful knowledge, Pozac and Aoi, cheers. :)12:19
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ograwiss for info: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo12:19
optimizedcan anyone help with a wireless LAN install?12:19
etorixive also got a debian-amd64 from sid ..12:20
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wissogra ok thx12:20
ograaquarius: its more like sid + experimental12:20
ograaquarius: at least the gnome stuff.....12:20
BumjubeoIs there a different command for copying things to the floppy if copy and rs doesnt work?12:20
aquariusogra: hm. That's what I was worried about...I don't really want experimental gnome, because my whole desktop might go away one day :)12:20
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optimizedAnyone have any info on compatiabilty of wireless devices in UBUNTU??12:21
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crimsunoptimized: most work just fine.12:21
ograaquarius: there is 2.9 in hoary atm i think12:21
Aoiaquarius, some apps that I use are more stable on hoary than warty12:21
crimsunoptimized: you could try looking on the forum12:21
etorixerm .. i dont want a gnome desktop period12:21
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optimizedwell, upon setup, it says no netowrk devices found12:21
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crimsunetorix: you know my response.12:21
PozacAoi, yeah, stable releases of software does not go in stable ubuntu12:22
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Pozacat least not after stable ubuntu is frozen12:22
ograaquarius: ubuntu is totally tied to the gnome release cycle, so the dev version will always have the dev version of gnome12:22
aquariusHow is apt at downgrades these days? It used to be, er, not all that recommended...has that improved? (In short, can I upgrade to hoary and then bottle out back to warty?)12:22
aquariusogra, I didn't realise that. Cheers!12:22
crimsunaquarius: apt has always been intelligent about {up,down}grades12:23
Pozacaquarius, you can use the backports from hoary instead12:23
crimsunaquarius: the user, however, usually isn't.12:23
etorixo0o .. i wouldnt12:23
ograaquarius: if you are a apt pinning guru, you can downgrade.....12:23
Pozaccrimsun, which roughly means, apt's interface to the user is not up to par12:23
aquariuscrimsun: ha. Well put.12:23
ograaquarius: ..... but only if you are one ;)12:23
crimsunPozac: other way around12:23
AoiPozac, yeah weird world lol. Just a question, do you know where the hell ubuntu is chaging  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 0 as default?12:24
crimsunPozac: the user is often disastrously curious12:24
aquariusogra: not me, chief. I can pin stuff if I have to. Guru, no :)12:24
BumjubeoIs there a way to mount your floppy disk drive that isnt mount /mnt/floppy as well :)12:24
Pozaccrimsun, apt is old and lame. It will be replaced soon. :)12:24
PozacAoi, /proc is the kernel filesystem... it doesn't remember settings over reboots12:24
ograPozac: with what ?12:24
crimsunPozac: of course. It will be replaced with portage. Then we will all sprout wings and fly to Christmas Island and have celebrations...or not.12:24
AoiPozac witch script ubuntu load by first?12:25
PozacAoi, I'm not sure where ubuntu wants the commands to be run at boot to be placed12:25
etorixapt-get install portage12:25
etorixnope ..12:25
optimizedis ther an option in Gnome to cinfigure the network device if auto cinfig can;t find it?12:25
Pozacogra, Wait and see12:25
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aquariusPozac, apt's great, at least in my reasonably uninformed opinion.12:25
Aoietorix, it would be useful lol12:25
Pozaccrimsun, no no.. It will be replaced by something that communicates the act of managing software better to the user12:26
Pozaccrimsun, while remaining completely technical flawless12:26
Aoioptimized, system > system settings > network12:26
ograPozac: canonical employs the apt maintainer, so i guess it will stay.....especially since a lot of work currently goes into package signing optimization12:26
aquariusBut I'd like to be able to downgrade by just telling it: see this repository here? Downgrade your packages so that you're not using anything outside this repository. I'm not clear that this is technically possible, though, so downgrading being awkward is not apt's fault...12:26
Pozacaquarius, yeh, it is .. just too hard to use12:27
ograPozac: there will be some very cool desktop stuff instead12:27
optimizedthanks Aoi!!12:27
Pozacogra, I'm seriously expecting some libraryfication soon :)12:27
aquariusPozac: I'd like to see some better shells *around* apt, certainly, and I've seen a few in development. But the core stuff is considerably better than anyone else's packaging system.12:27
Pozacogra, which, in turn, will open up to new, sane, textual interface12:28
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PozacSo you all dig on dselect as well? :)12:28
aquariusblah. Not me.12:28
PozacNow that we're all flaming and such12:28
Aoioptimized, you welcome12:28
ograPozac: aptitude  ?12:28
AoiPozac, hm, I'll check out kernel, thanks by the way12:28
DkoHi again. ><  Small question. I created a launcher for I guess a shell script.  But when I double click nothing happens.  But if I double click the shell script it runs fine.  Why is this?12:29
Pozacogra, nope.. more specific tools like the ones we have12:29
ograPozac: we ?12:30
ograPozac: who ?12:30
ograPozac: or which ?12:30
Pozaclike the million apt-*12:30
Pozachopefully a little renamed12:30
PozacI'm sorry, I'd just like to see the old school textual do the same kind of growing up that guis does12:31
Pozacand apt-extracttemplates does what?12:32
ograPozac:  i was fine with apt the last years on debian..... since ubuntu i mostly use synaptic now.....but have no probs with apt12:32
ograPozac: no idea, never needed12:32
ograPozac: apt-file is graet12:32
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Pozacogra, I have tried, many times, to understand the wicked ways of apt12:32
Pozacogra, what does it do?12:33
DkoAny help please?12:33
ograPozac: find files in packages .... like a apt-cache-search-in-content-of-all-packages12:34
Pozacogra: like qpkg -f <file> ?12:34
Pozacogra, or just emerge search <package> ? :)12:34
ograPozac: yep, but with apt power over ALL packages12:34
DkoShould I post again my question? ><12:34
Pozacogra, and apt power over all prefixes12:34
ograPozac: ever tried: apt-get moo ?12:35
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PozacI never moo12:35
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PozacI'm not a cow12:35
ACIDnettoday is not my day12:35
adbakapt-get moo12:35
Pozacogra, apt-file in no way says anything about power to search12:36
ograadbak: in a terminal ;)12:36
adbakaye, i know12:36
Pozacogra, like apt-cache requires you to know that there's a cache to search12:36
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Pozacwhy not apt-find?12:36
ograPozac: apt-file update12:36
Pozacand apt-find -f file ?12:36
DkoOk. I created a launcher for a shell script(At least thats what It calls it).  But when I double click nothing happens.  But if I double click the shell script it runs fine.  Why is this?12:36
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ograPozac: because it already has its names ?12:36
Pozacogra, apt-find is not taken?12:37
ACIDnetto create a apache website do u just add NameVirtualHost test.myname.co.uk:8012:37
ACIDnetthen <VirtualHost test.myname.co.uk:80>...........12:37
adbakanyone know of a good .ogg encoder for CDs?12:38
ACIDnetto the bottom of the httpd.conf12:38
ograPozac: not yet i think12:38
crimsunadbak: grip? rhythmbox?12:38
ograadbak: sound jiucer ?12:38
ACIDnetnothing i do seems to work12:38
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optimizedwould it be wise to use ndiswrapper to get the driver off the WinXP install cd of my wireless PCI card?12:38
AndyRsound juicer works ok here12:38
Pozacogra, well.. do you see my point of all the apt tools having confusing names and some confusing parameters?12:38
optimizedor is there an easier way of doing it?12:38
Pozacmakes my head hurt12:39
crimsunPozac: "confusing?"12:39
DkoYea... I guess im not getting any help.12:39
crimsunDko: sec, lemme scroll up12:39
Pozaccrimsun, yeah.. apt-file to search, apt-extracttemplates to do ??12:39
ograPozac: nope, but i use debian since 8 years... i am a little bit used to the naming scheme, so call me biased ;)12:39
Pozaccrimsun, have to know that apt uses cache to know apt-cache search12:39
crimsunDko: are you running the command in a terminal?12:39
ograPozac: do you know the man command ?12:40
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Pozacogra, yeh12:40
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Pozacogra, do you know how the brain works?12:40
DkoYou mean click the check box to make it do that?  No, but I tried that and it didn't work eigther.12:40
crimsunPozac: actually the similarities between apt-* are very close12:40
occyanyone know anything about getting sound to work on a AC'97 Audio contronler?12:40
crimsunPozac: for instance, compare apt-file(1) and apt-get(1)12:41
occyis there a sound tool or something I can apt-get install?12:41
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crimsunoccy: what's your lspci line for the sound chipset?12:41
Pozaccrimsun, why are they not one?12:41
occycrimsun: sec12:41
ograPozac: hmm, mine says.... <Pozac> crimsun, yeah.. apt-file to search, apt-extracttemplates to do ?? ....... probably man apt-extracttemplates12:41
occy0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)12:42
crimsunPozac: because you should not make HUGE scripts or binaries when the individual components can be split off12:42
crimsunoccy: lsmod|grep snd_intel8x012:42
Pozaccrimsun, .so ?12:42
AndyRmy ac97 sound didnt work until i used acpi=force12:42
DaNewBHow can I know which device is my serial mouse?12:42
ograPozac: aptextracttemplates - Utility to extract DebConf config and templates from Debian packages12:42
occycrimsun: it found some stuff :)12:42
Pozaccrimsun, or how does linux and xfree do?12:42
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occycrimsun: a bunch of stuff, should I paste in /msg?12:43
ograPozac: its mostly a maintainer tool12:43
crimsunoccy: or in #flood12:43
crimsunoccy: either.12:43
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Pozacogra, I'm not a maintainer..12:43
crimsunoccy: alsamixer(1) should work12:43
occyhmm, aumix won't open.12:43
ograPozac: nice, so you dont need to care about apt-extracttemplates ....12:43
crimsunPozac: have you inspected the output of say, /usr/bin/apt-get and /usr/bin/apt-extracttemplates?12:43
crimsunPozac: you'll see that there are in fact apt libs12:44
crimsunPozac: ldd output, that is12:44
DaNewBCould a serial mouse be on /dev/psaux?12:44
Pozaccrimsun, then why the HUGE binaries?12:44
crimsunDaNewB: usually not.12:44
occycrimsun: see it?12:44
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crimsunoccy: indeed, sec.12:44
occycrimsun: tx sorry to bug you :)12:45
occycrimsun: take your time12:45
DaNewBcrimsun, I tried /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyS1 w/ no luck12:45
ograDaNewB: install gpm, configure it and reconfigure x to use the gpm interface.....12:45
crimsunoccy: what happens when you use alsamixer?12:45
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crimsunoccy: actually, have we established that snd-intel8x0 is loaded?12:45
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occycrimsun: #flood again12:46
crimsunPozac: err..."huge?"12:46
Pozaccrimsun, sorry HUGE scripts and binaries12:46
crimsunPozac: 118 KB is hardly "huge"12:46
Pozaccrimsun, your words man12:46
AndyRi have both alsa and oss mixers loaded, is that right?12:46
crimsunPozac: that's my point precisely.12:46
occycrimsun: there you go.12:46
crimsunPozac: those are all split up12:47
ograoccy: sudo rmmpd snd_intel8x0m12:47
occydont' see alsamixer per se12:47
ograoccy: sudo rmmod snd_intel8x0m12:47
ograoccy: sorry12:47
occyogra: done12:47
slshow do you manage partitions in ubuntu?12:47
ograoccy: it blocks your soundcard12:47
crimsunoccy: and now run alsamixer12:47
occyogra: should I edit some file to remove that perm?12:47
Pozaccrimsun, I'm not getting you12:47
occyalsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device12:48
ograoccy: yep..... /etc/hotplug/blacklist should work12:48
Pozaccrimsun, if all the apt-* are replaced by 1 or 3 humanly sane binaries, which load .so's as needed, whats so wrong with that?12:48
crimsunoccy: sudo echo "snd-intel8x0m" >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist12:48
Pozaccrimsun, to be honest, I dont _care_ that I'm searching the cache. I'm searching apt.12:49
crimsunoccy: when you reboot, it should work12:49
ograPozac: a user doesnt need them12:49
Pozacconsider a binary named apt12:49
ograPozac: a user does only need apt-get, apt-cache12:49
Pozacapt install <package> ; apt search, apt extracttemplates12:49
occycrimsun: k... not working atm though after removing that module.  ( ogra )12:49
Pozacthen everyone only needs apt12:49
crimsunPozac: then you have a huge binary for 'apt'12:50
Pozacand we can holds hangs and sing12:50
crimsunPozac: and that's just bad practise12:50
ACIDnetcan someone pelase help me setup apache12:50
Pozaccrimsun, crimsun is emerge that huge?12:50
crimsunACIDnet: did you install apache through Synaptic?12:50
crimsunPozac: I have no idea.12:50
ograoccy: but the modules is at least one showstopper..... probably you have to unload all the sound modules to free the device proper12:50
ACIDnetits editing the httpd.conf to allow more than 1 website12:50
Pozaccrimsun, my 600mhz thinkpad has never died on me because a binary is too huge12:50
occyogra: ahhh12:50
occylet me reboot it... [tm] 12:50
Pozacyou cant just go around saying stuff is not possible12:51
Pozacthen you've been coding too much C12:51
Pozacor whatever12:51
crimsunerr what?12:51
AndyRthis aint doze :)12:51
occyheh, too lazy to unload all those modules12:51
ograoccy.....fastest would be a reboot after you did crimsuns  sudo echo "snd-intel8x0m" >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist12:51
crimsunthe point of _separating_ binaries is to install only the pieces you use, Pozac.12:51
occyunless I can restart something.12:51
ACIDnetcrimsun: I have setup two different VirtualHost things but they both point to the same thing12:51
Pozaccrimsun, why?12:51
Pozaccrimsun, my disk is 60gb... I have apt-extracttemplates installed anyways12:51
Pozacnot sure why12:52
occycool beans12:52
occyit's rebooting atm.12:52
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Pozacalso apt-sortpkgs12:52
crimsunPozac: would you like to install the Qt3 and KDE libs even though they're unnecessary if you only use the command line?12:52
occycrimsun: occy.net is back up btw.... check out the new changes ;)12:52
slsis there a partition management program for ubuntu?12:52
Pozaccrimsun, ffs no12:52
occyI take that back, he's playing with apache 2.012:52
crimsunPozac: then why would you choose to install pieces that aren't necessary?12:52
Pozaccrimsun, because they make up an integrated bunch like the desktop?12:53
crimsunPozac: do they?12:53
Pozacinstead of strung together fixes12:53
crimsunPozac: there's a reason KDE for Ubuntu proper is not installed by default.12:53
Pozacdoes it not make sense for a developer to type "apt extracttemplates" and a user to type "apt install" ??12:53
Pozaccrimsun, yeh12:53
Pozaccrimsun, there's also a reason gnomemeeting is12:54
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crimsuna developer isn't going to argue about the modularity of programs as installed in Debian, Pozac.12:54
crimsunit's standard practise to modularize components.12:54
PozacI'll try again12:54
Pozaccan you not load so's at runtime?12:54
crimsunsls: there're the parted bits, but it's not as fully featured as PartitionMagic (tm)12:55
Pozacso that they are not necessarily loaded?12:55
occyalsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such device12:55
Pozacso apt-search.so doesn't get loaded when I type something that's not apt search ?12:55
EfaistOswhy Rhythmbox cant play mp3 files ? it says that it hasnt a plugin for that12:55
occybeep-media player  failed to open /dev/dsp12:55
crimsunoccy: contents of /proc/asound/cards ?12:55
occycrimsun: looking12:55
PozacI love modularization12:55
occycrimsun: no soundcards12:55
ograEfaistOs: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats12:55
martin_guys, what does <RET> mean?12:55
crimsunoccy: is this a laptop?12:55
occycrimsun: yessir12:56
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crimsunoccy: dell?12:56
occycrimsun: yup.  Dell inspiron 820012:56
PozacI just think apt-* is user-unfriendly12:56
crimsunoccy: reboot, disable the modem and printer port in bios.12:56
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PozacAnd it's causing problems for ubuntu and debian12:56
occycrimsun: on it 00712:56
PozacI know synaptic and gnome is what got me here12:56
ograoccy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops12:56
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crimsunPozac: I'm failing to see the gist of your thrust then12:57
Pozaccrimsun, when I'm on a terminal I'm bummed12:57
occyogra: okies12:57
ograoccy: Sound breaks due to [https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1254 Bug 1254]  -- add {{{acpi_irq_isa=7}}} to boot options12:57
ograoccy: thats it12:57
EfaistOsogra, ok thanks :p12:57
martin_guys... what does <RET> mean in info documentation?12:57
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ogramartin_: the return key12:58
martin_ogra, like backspace?12:59
occyogra: so don't disable modem in the bios?12:59
ogramartin_: like the "enter" key12:59
Pozaccrimsun, is it really that hard to make a shell script or whatever that depending on parameters call binaries in /usr/share/apt ?12:59
Pozacthere's nothing wrong with the current binaries12:59
adbakmartin: return, enter (key)12:59
ograoccy: nothing in the wiki about this.....12:59
Pozacexcept I have to use apt-cache to search.. instead of just apt :)01:00
crimsunoccy: the best thing to do is to use the acpi boot param01:00
crimsunoccy: the harder hack is to disable stuff in bios01:00
crimsunoccy: the recommended procedure is to use the acpi boot param as outlined in the url ogra pasted.01:01
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SirFunkhey.. is there any way to net-install ubuntu off a floppy or something?01:01
crimsunPozac: you seem to have no problem with the binary, and yet you think otherwise in other statements. Which is it? :)01:01
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occycrimsun:  ogra tx bunches guys.  You are both a peach. :)01:02
ograSirFunk: if there is one, its described here: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/index.html01:02
occywill report back01:02
SirFunkk, thanks01:02
crimsunSirFunk: currently, Debian Woody/Sarge netinstall and then dist-upgrade to Warty01:02
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martin_ogra, is learning info documentation important for understanding linux?01:02
Pozaccrimsun, It focuses on how apt is built internally. Nobody cares.01:02
crimsunPozac: if it's a concern, please sub to deity and offer comments01:03
ogramartin_: at least its helpful if you like to read ;)01:03
Pozaccrimsun, It can be easier and simpler for the mere human to install software01:03
Pozaccrimsun, and for him to evolve to developer01:03
ixaneyou have to love how stuff randomly starts working.  I reinstalled ubuntu, ignoring the error about the ext3 filesystem I made and telling it to continue anyhow.  it finished installing and now works01:03
SirFunkoccy: uhm.... i don't see anything about a floppy media01:03
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SirFunkcrimsun: ohhhh ... ok01:03
Pozaccrimsun, apt is wonderfully built. Users don't care.01:03
ixanewhereas before it gave me no error, and then broke.01:04
crimsunPozac: http://lists.debian.org/deity/01:04
theNeonGodis the ubuntu ntp server down?01:04
ogramartin_: i think i learned more with howtos and tutorials when i started.....later i looked at info and man pages01:04
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Pozaccrimsun, Just like cars needs engines AND aerodynamics01:04
ixaneit's like...getting packages and stuff now01:04
Pozaccrimsun, windows is all aerodynamics01:04
Hikaru79Are there any X.org drivers for the Radeon 9800 card?01:04
Hikaru79The one on ATI's site is only for XFree86, apparently.01:04
ixanePozac: all show and no go01:04
crimsunHikaru79: currently there are many reports of ATI's binary-only fglrx drivers not cooperating with X.Org01:05
occyhmmm.... /melooks at the bug01:05
martin_ogra, do you know you way with linux commands? or unix commands01:05
PozacGosh, they've been at this since 199701:05
martin_i wanna really understand how all this works01:05
crimsunmartin_: try an O'Reilly book about learning Linux01:06
ixaneLinux in a Nutshell covered a lot of commands pretty well.01:06
theNeonGodwhere can i find ntp.conf?01:06
martin_crimsun, theres noting as good on the net?01:06
ixaneit doesn't introduce you to linux, but it has a lot of commands in it01:06
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crimsunmartin_: there is certainly information01:07
crimsunmartin_: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxnut4/  is a nice reference if you're starting out.01:07
ogramartin_: http://www.tldp.org/01:07
etorixfifi,org is good01:07
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martin_alright thanks guys ill check those sites out01:07
Quest-MasterAnyone here code with C#? (Mono)01:07
crimsuntheNeonGod: in /etc/01:07
ixanemartin_: try your local library too.  you sometimes get lucky01:08
occyhmmm, man, I feel stupid, can't find boot options01:08
theNeonGodcrimsun, thats what i thought. i didn't have one. THAT is why ntp wasn't working... (fresh out of box install too)01:08
crimsunoccy: you're using Warty, correct?01:08
occycrimsun: yup01:08
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occyEye Am Sofa King We Todd Did01:08
ograoccy: to try the quick, you can hit escape on boot and then edit with e01:08
crimsunoccy: for a permanent solution, sudo $EDITOR /boot/grub/menu.list01:09
crimsunoccy: scroll to the line marked with # kopt=....01:09
ograoccy: and edit the kernel line......01:09
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crimsunoccy: and add the acpi_... to the end01:09
PozacNow that's pair supporting.01:09
crimsunoccy: then run `sudo update-grub'01:09
ixaneubuntu is busily downloading and installing packages. whee!01:09
ogracrimsun: this hash sign is dumb there01:10
occythere is a menu.lst   same thing n'est pas?01:10
ograoccy: yep, typo01:10
crimsunyep, typo01:10
occyogra: k, just checkin' ;)01:10
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Pozacor just 'menu'01:10
crimsunI'm sure the 8.3 limitation was taken into consideration at some point01:11
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Pozacoh the fat thing01:11
Pozacogra, like your nick? ;)01:11
occykopt=acpi_irq_isa=7   I take it.01:12
ograPozac: want to rename me too ? ;)01:12
Pozacogra: Yeh, I think for a supporter, you nick is too close to ogre which brings scary images in my head01:13
Pozacin leave me frightened and confused01:13
occyPozac: hah01:13
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ograits just an abbreviation of my name01:13
PozacI see01:13
crimsunoccy: it should be at the end of the commented kopt line01:13
ograPozac: so blame my parents ;)01:13
occyoh, so...          kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro acpi_irq_isa=701:14
Pozacogra, I'll blame you for not being creative enough to come up with something else :)01:14
occyof course, the /dev/hda1 should piont to the appropriate place.01:14
crimsunoccy: yep. Make sure there's a hash mark at the beginning.01:14
crimsun(in my menu.lst, there's: ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs)01:15
ograPozac: it was my first unix login when i was 14 on my first terminal..... so it probably indicates i dont wanna grow up ;)01:15
crimsun(since when you run `sudo update-grub', the comments are parsed to generate the new menu.lst)01:15
occyk, here we go boys and girls01:15
occyfingers_crossed = yes;01:15
ograPozac: its ust sticky01:16
Pozacogra, on my first linux login (debian) on my friends machine when I was 16 the first thing that confused me was the strange and unfriendly naming of everything :)01:16
occyogra:  crimsun !!!!!01:17
ograPozac: hmm, so we are both stuck in our youth.....01:17
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ograoccy: great !!01:17
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occyman, thanks for your patience guys01:17
TycheI'm looking to play mp3's any ideas?01:18
Pozacogra, where you don't want to change your nick, I'm apparently doomed to make my own apt if I don't want to spend all my time waiting for darn gcc01:18
ograTyche: you should hear, not look.... will help01:18
ograTyche: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:19
Tycheogra: =) Let me rephrase, I'm listening to play mp3's. =)01:19
ograPozac: lol01:19
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martin_good night everyone, see you tomorrow01:19
theNeonGodany reason why hald isn't in my /etc/init.d directory?01:19
ogramartin_: night01:19
theNeonGodi thought ubuntu was supposed to have hal set up by default?01:20
ogratheNeonGod: is dbus-1 there ?01:20
theNeonGodogra, yes01:20
occycrimsun: so whenever you like, drop by #fitgeek ;)01:20
occycrimsun: oh, have you heard my band yet?  ( ogra too )01:21
ogratheNeonGod: fine so hal is there too01:21
occyhttp://theinterference.com/   <--01:21
occysome free tunes there, in ogg too.01:21
ograoccy: nice name01:21
theNeonGodogra, but i can't run the 'removeable storage' app because hald is not running, supposedly01:21
ogratheNeonGod: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart01:21
ixaneanyone ever read "The Unix Hater's Handbook"?01:22
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ernstpIs there mono packages for hoary?01:22
ixanehehe. it's funny so far01:22
ixaneit's free01:22
ixanejust google it01:22
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ernstpsays: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe01:23
ixanethe forward make me laugh the most though.  The guy is like 'Unix sucks, and noone else has anything good, so I switched to mac.  no more of this random crashing with 'your program has ended with an error code -l' and whatever.01:23
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ixaneobviously written before OSX.  That poor sod has to be thinking 'ARG! IT FOLLOWS ME EVERYWHERE!'01:24
ernstpso I wrote: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe01:24
ernstpBut there's no mono there...01:24
theNeonGodogra, thanks01:25
Pozacernstp, there's problems with mono in hoary atm01:25
ernstpPozac, ah, damn.. :-)01:25
ernstpPozac, Anyone working on updating gdesklets-data to python 2.4 ?01:26
Pozacernstp, you could try pinning mono to warty's release from synaptic01:26
Pozacnot sure how to do it from the shell01:26
ernstpPozac, I'll give that a shot..01:26
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Tycheogra: Thank you.01:26
Pozacernstp, python is a huge thing to upgrade, so they just need more time01:27
Pozacnot sure why01:27
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theNeonGodogra, hmm. it seems to stop periodically. i had to do that just a few minutes after i first did it. still doesn't recognize my external hd though :-/01:27
Pozaceverything everywhere seems to break when python gets updated01:27
ogratheNeonGod: hoary or warty ?01:27
ixanewow. how do I kill X without having it respawn like a demon in doom?01:28
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ogratheNeonGod: weird.....01:28
kayaliok, I'm starting to understand how ubuntu works, it's lovely actually... Now to understand what I'm missing to play mp3s...01:28
nomasteryodathe Last Linux Show is on tonight at 9pm ET01:28
ograixane: dont like the demons ?01:28
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ixanethis is rigoddamn diculous! my moniter can't support the high res that it's using, but I can't kill X and change xorg.conf01:28
ograixane:  in a terminal: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop01:29
ixaneI may have to either A, switch moniters, or B, kill myself instead!01:29
ixaneogra: I can't get to a bloody terminal!01:29
ixanethat's the point!01:29
Pozacixane, ctrl-alt-f1?01:29
kayaliixane: edit xorg.conf from a terminal :)01:29
ograixane: ctrl-alt-f101:29
Pozacixane, do that or add 'single' to the boot line from grub01:29
Pozacthen it will boot to a terminal01:29
ixaneogra: you rock01:29
ixaneI have quite a bit to learn about linux still01:29
ograixane: there do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg01:30
ograixane: if it isnt enough; sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg01:30
Pozac(I want apt reconfigure .. waaah)01:30
ograPozac: there is a "single" menuoption btw01:30
ograPozac: that wouldnt fit the naming scheme01:31
Pozacogra, doh, my bad01:31
Pozacogra, dpkg is out of the naming scheme01:31
ograPozac: nope....tehy are different progs01:31
Pozacyes yes01:31
PozacI want them all in one01:31
ograPozac: for different tasks......01:32
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Pozacwith a main task selection first (without --) and options next01:32
ixaneis there like a default password for ubuntu?01:32
ixanefor root?01:32
PozacRoot is disabled01:32
Agrajagroot is locked01:32
Pozacuse sudo01:32
LucaBrasiwhat's warty-release-live-i386.iso01:32
ograixane: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo01:32
LucaBrasiwhats the live all about?01:32
ograLucaBrasi: a live cd01:32
LucaBrasias in you boot it from cd?01:33
LucaBrasino hdd install?01:33
ograLucaBrasi: the system runs from the cd without touching your disk01:33
LucaBrasihm not possible to install extra apps etc then?01:33
ernstpPozac, can only find a few mono packages there too...01:33
ernstpPozac, maybe I should mention that I'm running AMD 64?01:33
ograixane: its disabled because  freak golfing accidents01:33
Pozacernstp, I don't know, sorry.. guess it's warty or wait :/01:34
stuNNed_does 2.6.9 in unstable fix hsf modem issues?01:34
ernstpPozac, yup.01:35
ograernstp: dunno, but probably the tseng repo has more http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu01:35
LucaBrasidoes the amd64 version really run any better/faster on amd64 platforms?01:35
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ograLucaBrasi: it uses extra registers in the processor, so i assume .... yes01:35
ernstpogra, oooh, breakmyubunutu.. just what I've been waiting for! thanks!01:35
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ograernstp: but i'm not sure if its not only software for mono01:36
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=== Pozac also applauds breakmyubuntu and ogra's repository.
stuNNed_ogra, what is your repo?01:37
ograstuNNed_: www.grawert.net/software/01:37
optimizedcan anyone hep out a NooB??01:37
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stuNNed_ogra, danke shein01:37
adbakoptimized: what seems to be the problem?01:37
ograheh, bitte01:37
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yccosorry for the part/join01:38
optimizedwell, i need help trying to get Ubuntu to detect my wireless network card01:38
adbakycco: don't worry about it :)01:38
yccoadbak: :)01:38
optimizedits a BLITZZ card01:38
ycco<-- occy01:38
yccoon another lappie01:39
optimizedare Linksys more widely accepted in linux>01:39
kayalihum... since the quality is not configurable in sound-juicer, anyone can tell me what setting is used by default?01:39
ixaneok, so why can't I type anything when I use sudo?01:39
optimizedcause i can return it and grab a Linksys instead01:39
Pozacthe Cerkinfo repository needs more media coverage01:39
crimsunoptimized: the manufacturer brand isn't important, the actual chipset is.01:40
optimizedok, how can i go about finidng the chipset01:40
crimsunixane: come again?01:40
optimizedhave any idea01:40
ograPozac: i'm not sure if anyone has tested these packages yet01:40
ernstpogra, ok, I think the real problem here is that I'm running AMD64...01:40
crimsunoptimized: might try a simple web search for "Linux 802.11"01:40
crimsunoptimized: or something along those terms01:40
ograernstp: no source pkgs ?01:41
optimizedok, i will try01:41
Pozacogra, I am trying them now... not that I'm anyone01:42
ernstpogra, well... can't find any for mono..01:42
ograPozac: at least you are one (or so)01:42
kayalioptimized: anything writen on the card itself?01:42
Pozacernstp, the tseng one?01:42
Pozacnot sure01:43
optimizedumm, let me look01:43
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ograernstp: hmm, got no amd64 here.....but in tseng there are src packages for the provided stuff....there should be mono source packages anywhere in universe01:43
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yccoHad to do it in gconf IIRC01:44
optimizedit looks the exact same as a D-Link extreme-G01:44
ograycco: anywhere in the desktop settings01:44
optimizedwireless PCI card01:44
ernstpogra, hhmm, yes, I think I did something right now..01:45
optimizeddoes anyone here have a wireless setup?? and if so, what components>01:45
yccoogra: I think I had to specifically look for it in gconf01:46
Pozacogra, it seems there are some conflicts with other packages when using that repo.. at least apt bails instead of breaking my system01:46
optimizedcause i'm all for returning it and going with a more widely used setup01:46
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optimizedI had tried earlier to get ndiswrapper installed01:46
ernstphow do I make  apt-get -b source mono  pull dependencies also?01:46
ograPozac: looks like the prob with marillat.... is libpng in the errors ?01:46
optimizedbut since my host name was not recognized over the network (i don;t have one yet) then it disabled some things in Gnome01:47
optimizedcan't open the package manager01:47
optimizedor root terminal01:47
ograernstp: sudo apt-get build-dep <packagename> && apt-get source -b <packagename> && dpkg -i <package.deb>01:47
Pozacogra, don't know yet.. I'm having some problems removing liblame0 without losing what I have marked for install in synaptic01:47
optimizedand it seems to be defaulting to the web to install packages, instead of using the CD01:47
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ograernstp: there is missing one sudo before dpkg01:48
elmoanyone using Rosetta or editing or the wiki or anything else, might want to hold off for 5 mins01:48
optimizedi edited the sources.list, and only commented the CD01:48
Pozacogra, seems I have to clear my selection and only uninstall liblame0 before I'm allowed to install the other one01:48
optimized, uncommented all the websites01:48
optimizedyet it still wants to check and DL strictly from the web01:48
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ograPozac: hmm, where is liblame0 from ?01:49
optimizeddoesn't even take a look at the cd01:49
Pozacogra, liblame0.0.0.0 or something from liblame0..01:49
optimizedin terminal, how can i go about looking for the chipset manufacturer?01:49
kayalihum... how can I edit id3tags?01:49
ograoptimized: try apt-cdrom01:49
ograkayali: try cantus301:49
ernstpogra, got it. thanks.01:50
kayaliogra: does it come with ubuntu?01:50
ograkayali: its in universe, you have to install it01:50
ernstpogra, I'll have to put this online if noone has built this stuff before!01:50
optimizedwhen i log in, it says cannot look up the internet adress of debian (what i used for my host name)01:50
Pozacoptimized, try lspci01:50
optimizedthiis will prevent Gnome form operating correcty01:50
ograernstp: ask on the ubuntu-devel mailing list.....01:50
scoonoptimized, try lspci -v01:50
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scoonoptimized, or try dmesg | less and read it slowly01:51
ernstpoptimized, debian in hosts ?01:51
ograoptimized: sudo ifup lo01:51
optimizedumm, ok01:51
optimizedwhich one do i try first?01:51
ograoptimized: but this shouldnt be missing01:51
optimizedEthernet conmtroller01:52
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optimizedAtheros Communications01:52
ograoptimized: the local loopback device is used for process communication in linux... tu start the interface do: sudo ifup lo01:53
optimized802.11abg NIC (rev 01)01:53
andreasvcdoes the Ubuntu community know about www.cacert.org? they could get a free signed certificate01:53
scoonogra, all tho, loopback should start on boot, if it does not then something is terribly fucked up01:53
ograoptimized: then care for the rest.... lo is very important01:53
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ograscoon: thats what i said before... but the gdm error indicates a missing lo01:54
optimizedunabel to look up public/pickup01:54
PozacI'm off to bed01:54
optimizedNo such file or directory01:54
Pozacbye all01:55
optimizedIgnoring unkown interface lo=lo01:55
scoonorga, sorry - i just logged in.01:56
scoonoptimized, what does ifconfig show ?01:56
optimizedi typed in ifconfig01:57
optimizedand nothing came up01:57
ograoptimized: is this a warty default installation ?01:57
optimizedtried sudo ifconfig01:57
optimizedfresh out of the install01:57
FalcI'm new to Ubuntu and I was trying to install vlc earlier. Now, while searching the web I found the actual directory of the repository, containing both 0.7.2 versions and 0.8 versions. However, when I added the repository to synaptic, only the 0.7.2 showup, any idea how I can get the other ones to show up?01:57
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andreasvcFalc: just uncomment the universe line in /etc/apt/sources.list01:58
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ograFalc: they need newer librarys i guess.... the 0.7.2 pkgs are in universe anyway01:59
scoonoptimized, i would do a dmesg | less and read over it real slow to see what has gone wrong.01:59
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optimizedwhen i do a lspci -v, it tells me that the Subsystem is D-Link System Inc. Unkown device 3a9501:59
DkoUmm I should be able to use the javac command if I installed JRE and JDK right?01:59
elmo__all done, sorry for the noise/inconvenience01:59
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optimizedFlags: bus master, medium devesel, latency 168, IRQ 20902:00
Falcandreasvc: I did, that's why I can see the 0.7.2 versions, but the others are in the exact same dir in the repository and don't show in synaptic...02:00
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ograFalc: did you relod the package lists ?02:01
scoonoptimized, so does your loopback work ?02:01
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DkoUmm I should be able to use the javac command if I installed JRE and JDK right?02:01
Falcogra: yes, more than once02:01
ernstpdh_testdir -s02:01
ernstpdh_testdir: I have no package to build02:01
ernstpmake: *** [binary-arch]  Fel 102:01
ernstpByggkommandot "cd mono-1.0.4 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc" misslyckades.02:01
ernstpE: Barnprocessen misslyckades02:01
optimizedscoon, how do i look?02:01
optimizedsry, new to linux02:02
ernstpdamn, no mono for me..02:02
ograFalc: so as i said, they will need newer libs i guess02:02
scoonoptimized, ifconfig02:02
scoonoptimized, you do not need to be sudo for that either.02:02
ograFalc: wont work on warty02:02
kayaliit's really sad thet rhythmbox can not edit id3tags...02:02
optimizedif i type in ifconfig it just does nothing02:02
ograFalc: just take the 0.7.2 pkgs from warty02:02
ernstpkayali, 0.9 in cvs can!02:02
scoonoptimized, so when you were installing, did you see any err's02:02
ograkayali: do you know C ?02:02
optimizedwell, it coould not detect my network device02:02
optimizedsaid i didn;t have one installed02:03
kayaliogra: a very little bit02:03
optimizedthen it asked for my host name02:03
ograkayali: so you could try to implement it ;)02:03
DkoUmm I should be able to use the javac command if I installed JRE and JDK right?02:03
kayaliogra: ernstp said it's in cvs :)02:03
optimizedthen told me when i tried to log in, that because it could not find my hostname debian Gnome will not work correctly02:03
ograkayali: as audio burning is ;)02:03
kayaliogra: ok, so this app is going somewhere :)02:04
optimizedi cannot get into the package manager02:04
ograkayali: i think so....02:04
scoonoptimized, your wireless card will be someting to worry about AFTER you get your loopback working02:04
optimizednor the Root terminal02:04
yccofound it:  http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2004-November/008967.html   for anyone wanting emacs keybindings...02:04
Falcright... now I finaly get Totem to actually open the video files... but all I see is a blue rectangle unless I move the window around, or go fullscreen02:04
kayaliogra: soon we'll have the Rhythmnbox Music Store, selling oggs ;)02:04
ograkayali: rhythmbox will become a all in one app for audio i think02:04
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optimizedok scoon, how can i get my loopback back in working order??02:05
DkoDid I insult someone?  Is that why my questions are rarely answerd?02:05
scoonwell what other errs did you see when you installed ?02:05
optimizedandwhat caused it to stop working?02:05
optimizedthat was it02:05
optimizedit installed fine02:05
scoonoptimized, ifconfig lo up02:05
ograDko: yes (to your question)02:06
scoonoptimized, what does that do for you02:06
ograDko: no (to the insultion)02:06
scoonoptimized, you need sudo for that command02:06
ograoptimized: sudo02:06
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DkoOhh okies.  Ok then something is messed up.  The command doesn't work.02:06
optimizedsudo: unable to lookup debian via goesbythatname()02:07
ernstpkayali, but it's not very good yet, only one file at a time. THAT could be improved!02:07
ograDko: try  java -version02:07
optimizedpostdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory02:07
DkoI get Umm I should be able to use the javac command if I installed JRE and JDK right?02:07
Dkogehh ><02:07
DaNewBHow come sometimes the "Log Out" dialog doesnt show "shut down computer" and "reboot" options?02:08
Dkojava version "1.5.0_01"02:08
DkoJava(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_01-b08)02:08
DkoJava HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_01-b08, mixed mode, sharing)02:08
DkoI get that02:08
ograDko: looks ok02:08
scoonoptomized, that should be your first line in /etc/hosts localhost.localdomain localhost debian02:08
ograDko: did you follow the wiki ? http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java02:08
scoonoptimized, and then re-try that ifconfig lo up02:08
optimizednano hosts?02:09
kayalinano -w02:09
ograoptimized: sudo nano /etc/hosts02:09
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optimizedok, wrote the line02:09
DkoHavn't followed wiki it seams.  Ill try it out02:09
optimizedit only had
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optimizedso i added the rest02:10
scoonoptimized, os then try ifconfig lo up02:10
DaNewBAnyone else got this problem?02:10
ograDko: method 2 is the best one... cares for environment nd firefox plugin too02:10
optimizedok, sudo ifconfig lo up02:10
ograoptimized: great02:11
scoonoptimized, now do ifconfig02:11
ograoptimized: what does ifconfig say02:11
scoonoptimized, no news is good news w/ linux02:11
kayalihey, hoary and gnome 2.9.2/2.9.3 are pretty stable... that's surprising ;)02:11
ernstpkayali, not here.. :-)02:11
andreasvcwhen will hoary be released?02:11
scoonoptimized, well there you go.  it is all ok now.02:12
ograkayali: shhh, dont say it to loud .... it could break02:12
optimizedok, now what do i do?02:12
kayaliogra: it will I guess :)02:12
ograandreasvc: april02:12
scoonnow do a google search on your card's chipset and come back w/ some other ?'s02:12
optimizedwell, how about ndiswrapper02:12
optimizedi read that if i get that installed02:12
scoonoptimized, for a great linux primer check out tldp.org02:12
ograoptimized: first you now can login into gnome :(02:12
kayaliernstp: I love the new menus and how it all makes everything cleaner...02:13
optimizedi can get the driver (XP) and then actually install it onto the system, corrct?02:13
scoonoptimized, find out if you need that. your card may work w/o that miserable hack.02:13
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optimizedahh, ok02:13
DaNewBMy Log Out dialog is weird...02:13
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optimizeddo a google search on the Arethos chipset?02:14
ograoptimized: if you are REALLY SURE you need it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/02:14
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Falcis there a way to generate a list of all installed packages that are not dependencies for any other installed packages?02:14
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optimizedwell, if i really do not need it, i should prolly look and see how others have gotten it to work, right?02:14
ograoptimized: is it a pci card ?02:15
andreasvcFalc: deborphan02:15
ograoptimized: sudo modprobe ath_pci02:15
optimizedits the Blitzz BWI 71502:15
ograoptimized: then look in dmesg02:15
ernstpkayali, yes, that's great! but I've been having some problems with the desktop simply not showing up etc..02:15
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optimizedok, typed it in, and nothing happened02:16
kayaliernstp: oh yeah, mine shows up only every two boots... negligeable problem ;)02:16
ograoptimized: type dmesg02:16
ograoptimized: and look at the last lines02:16
optimizedok, what am i looking for?02:17
ernstpkayali, right, then we have the same problem :-)02:17
optimizedI have a ton of stuff02:18
ograoptimized: something regarding the ath_pci module or your card02:18
optimizedok, nothing about ath_pci module02:18
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optimizedbut it does say ath_pci: no version for "ieee80211_ioctl_siwrate"02:19
optimizedfound: kernel tainted02:19
LeeColletondoes anyone know which driver I should use for the Epson Stylus CX4600 ?02:19
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kayaliLeeColleton: gimp-print-ijs02:20
optimizedath_pci: (EXPERIMENTAL)02:20
nyktovushow can i change my face in the chooser?02:20
ograoptimized: so it got loaded.....02:20
the--dudis k3b fully supported in ubuntu? even dvd burning?02:20
LeeColletonkayali: is it in a package of the same name?02:20
ograthe--dud: k3b is not supported at all02:21
the--dudwhy not?02:21
kayaliLeeColleton: sorry, this is my first day with ubuntu, I don't know :)02:21
ograthe--dud: as every software from universe is02:21
the--dudok, what i meant to ask was does it work?02:21
optimizedso does that mean it works?02:21
LeeColletonkayali: thanks anyway02:21
kayaliLeeColleton: Epson printers are very well supported with linux. goto localhost:631 and install it from there, should be straight forward02:22
optimizedand would a newer kernel maybe have support for it?02:22
ograthe--dud: its tricky to install, because kde does some weird insecure stuff... but once installed it should work02:22
optimizedlike the 2.6.10-rc3 version?02:22
the--dudis there a fully featured graphical burner for gnome?02:22
nyktovusface browser? chooser? anyone know how i can customize mine?02:22
the--dudsimilar to k3b?02:22
ograoptimized: it should work right now....02:22
stuNNed_it's premature but looks like ubuntu 2.6.9 fixes issues with hsf linuxant modem02:22
ernstpthe--dud, check out gnomefiles.org02:22
ograthe--dud: nope, not yet02:23
ograthe--dud: there are some attemts though.....02:23
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the--dudi see, any decent command line tools?02:23
mojohello amigos02:23
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ograthe--dud: rhythmboy will have audio burn support in the next major release02:23
ograthe--dud: box02:23
the--dudi see02:24
the--dudbut i want dvd data burning support02:24
ograthe--dud: nautilus already does data burning by default02:24
DkoGehh! >< I tried my hardest to figure out those instructions. But I ended up banging my head into a wall02:24
hypa7iai got my cd's today *dance dance*02:24
optimizedhow can i check02:24
mojocan some1 show me which folder contains .desktop file of Main Menu entries?02:24
the--dudor rather, dvd movies....02:24
ograthe--dud: not sure about dvd though02:24
ograthe--dud: so you are doomed to use k3b atm02:24
hypa7iamojo: /home/$user/Desktop02:25
optimizedwell, cannot access the net02:25
the--dudtechnically, for an application, the only difference between dvd and cd, is the size02:25
optimizednor do a sudo apt-get update02:25
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mojono, not Desktop, I mean the Main Menu one02:25
optimizedshould i reboot?02:25
ograoptimized: you have to set up the network stuff02:25
stuNNed_ogra, was going to burn a mac disc today as an iso but linux couldn't  read the disc format02:25
optimizedhmm, ok02:25
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ograstuNNed_: sure it was iso ?02:26
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hypa7iamojo: the one in computer > Desktop?02:26
optimizedok, Network name(ESSID)02:26
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optimizedwhat to add??02:26
d_iSomeone who could help me?02:26
|QuaD|does anyone know of an xml viewer?02:26
mojothe one in Applications02:26
ograoptimized: dunno, its your network02:26
jclochesyI'm having a very slow internet response... DNS type problem... is this common?02:26
optimizedwhere do i find that info?02:26
ograoptimized: if in doubt use ANY02:27
DkoCan someone help me install Java? Because I looked at this and it confused me to no end. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java02:27
d_iIs it true that i can order Ubuntu cd's for free ?!..02:27
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optimizedogra, pm?02:27
jclochesyd_i, got mine in the mail today02:27
d_itotal free..02:27
hypa7iamojo: i don't see a Desktop item in there, sorry02:27
jclochesyd_i, totally free02:27
hypa7iad_i: yup, i got mine today!02:27
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|QuaD|mojo: ?02:28
Dkod_i: Yep, just will take a while02:28
jclochesyI'm having a very slow internet response... DNS type problem... is this common?02:28
yummyluvwhen i try to boot off my live cd, when it starts x11 my monitor gets no signal, ive tried many configurations including failsafe02:28
yummyluvwhat gives?02:28
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hypa7iayummyluv: laptop perchance?02:29
mojo|Quad| How to remove an entry in Applications menu?02:29
yummyluvno desktop02:29
d_iAnyone how long time it will take to ship the cd's to Denmark?!02:29
macewanjust installed openoffice 2, well a snapshot atleast02:29
mojo|Quad|: I think must delete some .desktop file but I dunno where02:29
kayalimacewan: how is it?02:29
optimizedogra, can i PM??02:29
jclochesyDNS problem... does anyone know how to fix it?02:29
the--dudi guess it wont kill me to have ~50 or so MB or kdelibs, to get k3b working...02:29
mojojclochesy: check the IP6 issue, disable IP6 in FireFox02:30
macewanOOo that comes with ubuntu is quite fine right now02:30
jclochesymojo, disable it?  I thought it was the other way around?02:30
mojojclochesy: go to http://ubuntuguide.org02:30
DkoCould someone tell me what multiverse is? Maybe that would help me because it seams I require it. ><02:30
mojojclochesy: no, IP6 is slower than IP402:30
ogramojo ??02:30
mojoogra: fix me if I'm wrong02:31
ograyou are02:31
kayaliDko: it's a ubuntu repository, some place where you'll find packages to install02:31
jdubDko: multiverse is where non-free software lives. it's equivalent to contrib and non-free in debian.02:31
hypa7iaDko: multiverse is the non-free portion of universe02:31
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mojoogra: ^-^, ppl is not perfect, mistakes is common02:31
hypa7iamain:restricted :: universe:multiverse... or so it would say on the Ubuntu SAT's :-)02:32
jclochesymojo, yes, it's set that way... but still very slow on resolving...  X-Chat took forever to find freenode as well02:32
ogramojo: the prob are misconfigured dns servers that dont speak v6 proper....02:32
Dko*sighs* That doesn't help me at all. :/02:33
mojoogra: i see02:33
mojojclochesy: are u using DHCP from ADSL?02:33
ograoptimized: look at point 6 at this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/02:33
kayaliDko: you want java right?02:33
jclochesydhcp on cable02:33
ograoptimized: look at the wlan0 config in the file02:33
kayaliDko: Java is non free software, hence, it's found in a special ubuntu repository called multiverse02:34
d_iAnywhere i can get a package list so i can see what kind of software that comes with ubuntu?02:34
ograoptimized: you should call your device ath0 instead of wlan0 but use similar settings (fitting your network indeed)02:34
mojoDko: in multiverse, you still only can find the dependencies, you MUST download another Deb version outside, I got the file but I forget where to download it02:35
ograkayali: java is not in multiverse02:35
jclochesymojo, any other ideas?02:35
optimizedok, i went through the setup wizard02:35
kayaliogra: oops...02:35
mojoDko: go to google and search for this sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb02:35
ograDko: first install the ava-package02:35
mojojclochesy: cable he?02:35
mojojclochesy: ....02:35
ograDko:  java-package02:35
optimizedit keeps cycling through power and active on the back02:35
mojojclochesy: go to the Modem bios via Web Browser02:36
kayaliogra: poor powerpc user here, knows nothing about java :(02:36
ograDko: then get the sun binary file mentioned in the wiki02:36
ograkayali: i would love to change ;)02:36
kayaliogra: java is useless on ppc, since we get no plugin02:36
ograkayali: (the HW)02:36
LeeColletonkayali: when I go to localhost:631 it says that i have to use the non-working GUI and that admin functions have been restricted.  How do I reenable them?02:36
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optimizedwhen i try to activate it, it turns itself off02:37
ograkayali: so its useless in browsers02:37
mojoDko: dont go for the way in the wiki, it's shit way, do my way, search for sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb, install it and then download the java-common package in multiverse, done!02:37
mojojclochesy: you know how?02:37
|QuaD|blah i need something to make it easy to read this xml file!02:37
jclochesymojo, I don't know how to get to the modem... I can get to my router02:37
mojo|QuaD| gedit is good02:37
ograoptimized: are the settings you made right ?02:37
kayaliogra: indeed. only konqueror can view java applets since it 'talks' directly to the JRE, but it still fails 50% of the time, and it requires kde :)02:38
optimizedwell, not sure what to do for the Connection settings02:38
mojojclochesy: ok, can u tell me about ur network structure, how many modem, how many router, how they connect?02:38
|QuaD|mojo: not really.. not when you have a 2000+ line xml file02:38
ogramojo: does it set up the environment and the plugin correctly ?02:38
optimizedi left them on Automatci02:38
optimizedfound my SSID02:38
mojoogra: yes, more perfect! I got this way from an Debian expert02:38
Dkomojo: I think I found it and i have it dling now.02:38
optimizedand disabled a WEP02:38
jclochesymojo, it's just a modem from road runner connected to a router... which connects to this pc... i have had it working in fedora, mandrake, linspire...ect...02:39
ogramojo: method 2 from the wiki worked for me on about 50 installs perfectly02:39
jclochesymojo, so I'm thinking there must be something internally02:39
optimizedI figurd it would be easier if i didnt have encryption on right now02:39
ogramojo: personally i think its the best one02:39
mojoDko: after installing it, go to Synaptic and install sun-j2sdk1.5debian, ALL DONE!02:39
mojojclochesy: hmm02:39
jclochesymojo, yeah...very strange02:40
mojour router?02:40
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jclochesymojo, I have another pc on the router, and an ibook connected wirelessy02:40
jclochesymojo, those work fine02:40
Dkomojo: Ok thanks.  Much better then the majorly confusing instructions on hte wiki site02:40
jclochesymojo, it's a dlink, filtering by mac02:40
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kayalijclochesy: is it a LiveBox by any chance?02:40
mojojclochesy: I don't think so02:40
ogramojo: would you add it to the wiki ?02:41
jclochesykayali, nope....just a regular old dlink02:41
jclochesymojo, what don't you think?02:41
mojoogra: can't due to some PATENT Issues, you're not allowed to Debianize even Java02:41
mojoogra: so my way is better but illegal02:41
ogramojo: the instructions...not the package02:41
mojoogra: yeah, same02:42
mojoogra: I've asked about it already02:42
mojojclochesy: I used to have same prob on my stupid Modem Router ADSL02:42
ogramojo: sorry, i cant imagine that anyone at canonical is upset if you add instructions02:43
mojojclochesy: I rang the ISP, and they show me to go to the bios, changing the NAT and DNS to their latest changes, (they changed without noticing me)02:43
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mojoogra: OK then. let me try02:43
Falchow do I add something to an empty applications menu?02:43
ograFalc: how did you empty it ?02:44
jclochesymojo, hmmm I'm on business class road runner... I wonder if that matters?02:44
FalcI uninstalled everything that was listed under Multimedia02:44
ogramojo: nice thanks....02:44
mojojclochesy: maybe02:44
mojojclochesy: can u send me the picture of ur network?02:45
jclochesymojo, I don't have one02:45
jclochesymojo, a picture02:45
Falcnow there's still a Multimedia entry in the menu, but it doesn't show anything, just a tiny tiny rectangle which doesn't respond to right-clicks02:45
mojojclochesy: it's hard for me to visualize ur net, so I need one if you can, maybe my CCNP skill is enough to solve this DNS issue02:46
ograFalc: on warty ?02:46
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ograFalc: run nautilus, hit ctrl-L and type applications://02:47
Falcah, thanks02:47
ograFalc: then add launcers as you like ;)02:47
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Falcweird, multimedia doesn't actually show up in there anymore... ah well02:48
ograFalc: you probably need to restart the panel if it doesnt show up02:48
ograFalc: the things you added i mean02:48
jclochesymojo, ready02:50
Dkomojo: Ok I do a dpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb and get a few dependancy errors which the page I went to said would happen. So I did a apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5debian.  That gives me a bunch of stuff like package missing and what not. ><02:52
BlackwellDko: do you need to install it inside the package system? if not, to go without is much simpler as far as i know.02:53
mojoDko: are u sure u get correct one?02:53
kayaliactually, it looks like gnome is pretty much inspired by Mac OS X02:53
mojoDko: http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu02:53
ograkayali: its better ;)02:54
Blackwellkayali: gnome, like kde, can probably configured to match the l&f of many different systems, i guess.02:54
occyogra: you have a personal website?02:54
occycrimsun: you have a personal website?02:54
Blackwellmust not mistake the omnipresent "sudo" approach in ubuntu with gnome either.02:54
Blackwellooh, web page collector02:55
ogramojo: oh, its from davyd ..... great !! 8)02:55
occyfeel free to msg me if you don't want to share with the channel.02:55
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ogramojo: so its sure the better choice....but he will know why it was not mentioned in the wiki yet02:55
Dko*sighs* Yep thats the page ive was looking at.  I think I have to make shure multiverse is in my sources.list. How would I do that?02:56
ograoccy: www.grawert.net02:56
kayaliBlackwell: of course, I was talking about how gnome apps are envolving02:56
mojoDko: open an xterm02:56
occyogra: cool, found it with just googleing for ogra and ubuntu ;)02:56
occyogra: sweet website02:56
d_ican i access ntfs hdds with ubuntu ?!02:57
mojoDko: then type in sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list02:57
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ograDko: multiverse: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/02:57
mojoDko: then add in a line to the bottom02:57
mojoDko: the line is:02:57
maximausd_i: ja, du kan. :P02:57
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ograoccy: thanks :)02:58
d_imaximaus, hehe cool :)02:58
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maximausd_i,  you just need to edit /etc fstab so that it mounts on boot.02:58
mojoDko: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse02:58
d_iOk great - easy stuff :)02:58
ChrisC_hey quick newbie question:  how do I add an application (that I've installed) to the Application menu?02:58
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maximausChrisC_,  there's a right click context menu to do this.02:59
mojoChrisC_: go to the main Menu, right click Entire Menu > Add this as Menu...02:59
ChrisC_ok I tried right-clicking but now in the right place ... thanks02:59
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maximausanyone know of an easy way to edit runlevels with ubuntu, or are the services sane? I'm coming from Fedora.03:00
Falcprobably the last question for the day: when I choose to shut down my computer, it goes through the entire process and then ends with a 'Power down' message on my screen. How can I make it turn off the power by itself?03:01
mojoDko: my mistake, pls fix 'hoary' to 'warty'!!!!! VERY IMPORTANT!!03:01
ogramaximaus: the services are quite sane as they are03:01
occyogra: I'm guessing the crimsun listed on debian planet is probably the same one in here?03:01
hypa7iaFalc: that's an acpi issue03:01
maximauscool, I'll leave be. :D03:01
ograDko: or just follow the howto03:01
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ironwolfapt in latest hoary appears broken... fyi03:02
ograoccy: probably, i dunno, we never met :)03:02
mojoironwolf: no, check urs again!03:02
ZotnixI've search through google and tried adding none            /proc/bus/usb   usbfs   defaults,devmode=0666   0  0 to get my scanner to be usable by normal users... however upon startup it says the mount point does not exist.03:02
kayalihow can I tell to my gnome that I don't need him to launch cdplayer each time I insert an audio cd?03:02
occyogra: heh, k03:02
d_iof to bed - cya all03:02
ZotnixI saved the other default /proc entry in the fstab... anyway to get my scanner usable by non-root user?03:02
suriyaI want to add a new directory to PATH (for a user), which file should I change? gdm does not source ~/.bash_profile03:02
ograironwolf: nope, there is ust some documetation missing03:02
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occyogra: occy.net (left column)03:03
Falcany way I can configure ACPI to shut down? I know it's possible (or at least used to be...)03:03
maximauskayali,  Computer/Desktop Preferences/Removable media03:03
Zotnixsuriya, .bashrc03:03
ograironwolf: it now uses pgp singning on the pkgs03:03
ironwolfmojo: ogra: W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: Unknown error executing gpgv03:03
kayalimaximaus: thanks03:03
ironwolfhow does one fix that?03:03
ograironwolf: yep03:03
mojoironwolf: heh? weird!!03:03
mojoironwolf: reinstall apt man03:03
ograironwolf: dunno.... i think mvo has set something up on the wiki03:03
ograironwolf:  but i'm not sure03:04
suriyaZontix, will that be sourced even if I do not open an interactive shell?03:04
ograironwolf: you will need the gpg key.....03:04
Fergihi all, i'm looking for a front-end for LaTeX, i tried Kile, but its only works in KDE, any help? TIA03:04
ironwolfogra: where does one find it?03:04
ograyust found it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary03:05
RiddellFergi: then use Kile03:05
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maximausFergi: Kile will work under Gnome as will Lyx, another front-end03:06
Zotnixsuriya, Ah... sorry. not sure.03:06
FergiKile in this link: http://kile.sourceforge.net/download.php are available for Mandrake, Suse, Fedora and so on, I tried one for Fedora, but I got an error message, when I called kile, "kile: error while loading shared libraries: libkatepartinterfaces.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory", any clue?03:09
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ograFergi: kile is in universe03:10
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ograFergi: use the ubuntu version03:10
Fergiwhere I get one for Ubuntu?03:10
ograFergi: with synaptic03:11
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ograFergi: you need to enable universe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto03:11
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ironwolfogra: gpg --search-keys ubuntu seems to have found it.  How does one verify the key is correct?03:12
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ograironwolf: search for it on a keyserver: http://keyserver.mine.nu/03:13
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ironwolforgra: I found it, I'm using it.  I'm asking how do I know I should trust it for this purpose.03:14
CheatersRealmcan I get xorg in warty?03:14
ironwolfCheatersRealm: no03:14
CheatersRealmno way no how eh?03:15
FergiOgra and maximaus; thx so much03:15
ograironwolf: you look at a keyserver who signed it....better.... have a own key in the web of trust that just _shows_ you this one is right ;)03:15
maximausno prob.03:15
DkoHelalua! Its finanly working!03:16
ironwolfogra: I don't understand.  I have a key in the well connected set.  Anyone can upload a public key to a keyserver can't they?03:19
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ograironwolf: but it is signed by someone03:20
occyogra: one last(heh) thing to bug you about if you don't mind.   How in the heck can I get:  Sun Java J2SE50 setup with firefox?03:20
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ograoccy: mojo had a nice url for that and Dko ust did it 5 min before03:21
DkoOne last thing. >< I can use javac now.  But my instructions tell me to do javac -depend JMUD.java  But there doesn't seam to be a -depend.03:22
ZotnixWoo, fixed my scanner.03:22
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dcstimmhey guys, why is the livecd (the one I got in the mail) not have mp3 support? and how do I enable it?03:22
hypa7iadcstimm: it's a patent issue03:23
dcstimmalso it has no mpeg03:23
hypa7iadcstimm: that too03:23
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dcstimmhypa7ia, how do I enable it?03:23
maximausjust search the ubuntu site for mp3 and you'll find the tutorial.03:23
hypa7iadcstimm: habe a look at the guide.  http://ubuntuguide.org03:23
dcstimmhypa7ia, it included the nvidia binary driver but not mp3 support?03:23
ograironwolf: http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x40976EAF437D05B503:23
hypa7iadcstimm: alas, yeah03:23
dcstimmhypa7ia, does that apply to the livecd?03:23
hypa7iathe process for adding mp3 would be the same for the livecd, i should think.03:24
dcstimmalso the nvidia drivers on the live cd just reboots my machine03:24
ograironwolf: there will be more signatures attached the next days i guess03:24
dcstimmhypa7ia, its not03:24
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dcstimmboots to X then just reboots03:24
hypa7iadcstimm: add the repos, apt-get the appropriate packages?03:24
ironwolfogra: So James Troup signed it.  I don't know him.03:24
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ograironwolf: click his mailaddress03:25
hypa7iadcstimm: have you read the ubuntuguide page?03:25
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occyDko: got that url handy?03:25
occyDko: for setting up Sun Java J2SE50 ?03:25
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ironwolfogra: nocrew.org doesn't mean anything to me, but his key has been signed by someone I trust.03:27
ironwolfmaybe it's me, but this seems advanced for Joe User.03:27
ograironwolf: as i said, the other devs will sign the srcive key too i guess03:27
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jdubironwolf: in general, it won't be seen or noticed.03:27
occyheh stupid question, what is multiverse?03:28
hypa7iaoccy: multiverse is the non-free portion of universe03:28
ironwolfjdub: so when hoary is released on CD, it will contain the key?03:28
ograoccy: ubuntu-nonfree03:28
occyogra: ahhh03:28
DaNewBWhat's the difference between totem-ui and totem-xine and totem-gstreamer and... which movie player is best?03:28
occyhypa7ia: k tx03:28
hypa7ianot totem?03:28
ograoccy: legally doubtable software03:28
=== occy googles for Sun Java J2SE50 and Ubuntu
Blackwelltrying to install sun java?03:29
kayalihow come so many people seem to need Java? ;)03:29
Blackwellkayali: wondering too03:29
ironwolfmany thanks ogra, apt seems less unhappy now.03:29
DkoOk what should be my classpath in ubunto?03:29
occyBlackwell: yeah, trying to install sun java03:29
ograoccy: http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu#Java_1.503:30
maximausI just recycled the java from my Fedora install LOL03:30
BlackwellDko: it should not be set. CLASSPATH env var should never be set.03:30
occyheh, only one entry on google03:30
jdubironwolf: yes03:30
ironwolfjdub: excellent.  It now makes much more sense now.03:30
Blackwelloccy: article on how to install it WITHOUT use of the package system: http://javafaq.mine.nu/lookup?6703:30
jdubDaNewB: xine-ui and totem-xine are different frontends to the same multimedia library03:30
DkoOk then what do I do if it says a directory of mine is included in your classpath? ><03:30
jdubDaNewB: totem-gstreamer and totem-xine are the same front end to different multimedia libraries03:30
jdubDaNewB: at the moment, i'd recommend totem-xine as the best combination of the two03:31
DkoOr I should make shure its included03:31
BlackwellDko: i don't understand what you mean. who is it?03:31
maximausDaNewB, I agree with jdub. I'd go ahead and install the xine-ui as well, as it's very small and uses the same libs. You might prefer it.03:31
suriyaWhich file should I modify to set PATH so that it is sourced on logging in using GDM?03:31
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DkoBlackwell: Look under compiling JamochaMUD.  Thats what im trying to do03:32
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brucehAnybody know if there is a vnc server package available?03:32
jdubbruceh: your desktop has a vnc server already - desktop preferences > remote desktop03:32
Dkoyay ><03:32
DaNewBjdub, maximaus, thnks ill try that03:32
brucehoh, thanks03:32
BlackwellDko: is that project still alive?03:32
DkoI have no clue. Im just trying to find a good gui mud client that I can install.03:33
BlackwellDko: why do you try to compile it yourself?03:33
DkoBlackwell: Because it seamed the only way to get it runing on ubuntu by what his instructions said03:34
Blackwelltypical linux user knee jerk reaction to do that :)03:34
BlackwellDko: where does it say that?03:34
occyBlackwell: hahahah, I love your comments at the end of that page.03:35
BlackwellDko: wether you compile the stuff and stick it into a jar file after 10 hours of solid work, or just use their .jar file, that should not make a relevant difference, apart from time spent on it.03:35
macewanthis may or may not be of use03:35
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Blackwelloccy: some people need it imprinted on their foreheads with a sledgehammer.03:35
occyBlackwell: hehe03:36
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s0cksMy CDs never actually came.03:36
DkoBlackwell: See I have no clue when it comes to linux or Java.  C++ I have some sorta clue but... :p03:36
Gwildors0cks, when did ship-it say they shipped?03:37
BlackwellDko: http://jamochamud.anecho.mb.ca/jar/?M=D03:37
Blackwelllook, real fresh meat.03:37
CheatersRealmDko, java = c++ - hard stuff03:37
Blackwellyeah, java is for weenies ;)03:37
Blackwell(like me.)03:38
TotetsuAnyone know where I can pick up the libpng packages with apt-get?03:38
DkoWell I understand the languages are very simmilar.  Just... different enough to fug with my head03:38
s0cksGwildor : It doesn't give exact dates.03:38
BlackwellDko: yeah. java requires oop. c++ invites self delusion about your own oop kung-fu (namely that c++ people plain don't have any, typically ;))03:38
Blackwell(as some evil people say...)03:39
qkslvrwolfcan I directly ask a n00b question, or should I just ask where the right man pages are?03:39
DkoAhh I double click jar and I get the same dang folders plus a new one. ><03:39
Gwildors0cks, it used to.......it said an exact date for me.....03:39
Blackwellqkslvrwolf: ask right ahead i'd think03:39
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Gwildors0cks, and they showed up 16 days later03:39
qkslvrwolfdoes ubuntu come with the necessary codec to play dvds/mpegs (totem isn't working straight up), and if not, where are they?03:39
BlackwellDko: double clicking a jar file may not have much success. the success directly depends what activity and programs has been associated with .jar files :)03:40
qkslvrwolf(cheers in advance)03:40
dcstimmany idea when the ppc livecd will be out?03:41
kayalidamn, hoary is hot! you get updates every 30 minutes ;)03:41
DkoWhich means more mind numbing fun for me. ><03:41
s0cksHow close to preview is hoary?03:42
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BlackwellDko: "java -jar theexecutablejarfile.jar" is not so mind numbing. but it assumes an "executable" jar.03:42
BlackwellDko: see "Jar files" at http://jamochamud.anecho.mb.ca/onlineReadme.html#CompilingJamochaMUD03:43
dcstimmmythtv should come installed by default in ubuntu03:43
BlackwellDko: "... execute a command similar to: java -jar [name of jar file] .jar"03:43
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kayalidcstimm: I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't use it03:43
BlackwellDko: the project seems alive. consider to contact them, without feedback "those" types of...misalligned java developers will never learn.03:44
dcstimmkayali, i would donate pvr 250 cards to all the major developers if they did it03:44
s0cksogra : You here man?03:44
kayalidcstimm: free software needs guys like you ;)03:44
ogras0cks: about to leave... but yes....03:44
DkoThanks. I finnaly got the program running.  And yea ill give the developer a buzz.03:45
hypa7iadcstimm: try knoppixmyth?03:45
dcstimmkayali, you mean a bored guy with to much money on their hands?03:45
kayalidcstimm: yes :)03:45
s0cksogra : How was the conference?03:45
ogras0cks: great !!03:45
dcstimmhypa7ia, its dumb, I have mythtv on my gentoo box, much easier to install than knoppixmyth03:46
s0cksogra : Get to meet the superheros?03:46
hypa7iareally?  durn :-/03:46
ogras0cks: but one week was to short.,.....03:46
s0cksogra : Yes, well, they all have real jobs ;-)03:46
ogras0cks: should have stayed both.....03:46
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hypa7iai'm setting up a myth box on ubuntu when i get back from the holidays... woo monitor being bigger than the roomie's tv :-/03:46
Falc*deep sigh* I backed up my elisp dir from an earlier install, but not my .emacs, oh how stupid03:47
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dcstimmI love having dual tuners in my machine03:49
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qkslvrwolfis there anyway I can get a window to come to the foreground when I select it, rather than having to minimize the window in front of it?03:49
dcstimmand I use my xbox as a frontend for mythtv so I can get component output for my hdtv03:49
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marccdis there an "Unstable" in Ubuntu?03:51
marccdor is ubuntu just by releases?03:51
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thenukehoary = unstable03:52
marccdthenuke, so I should s/warty/hoary in sources.list to get unstable packages?03:52
dcstimmhoary should not be used03:52
dcstimmby anyone03:52
thenukemarccd: right03:52
strixyhelloo. ACan anyone tell me how to burn an ISO while in Debian?03:52
marccdwarty is pretty up to date03:52
marccdbut where is firefox 1.0 for example?03:52
strixyhow about in Ubuntu?03:52
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marccdstrixy, same. man cdrecord03:53
strixywhich makes more sense to me, seeing as I am using Ubuntu03:53
Swerronhi, why in ubuntu console can't i do Whois an nslookup command?03:53
marccdstrixy, cd burning is not different on every distro, you should look up a cd burning how to03:53
strixygood idea.03:53
strixyI got so used to xcdroast03:54
marccdtry apt-get install k3b.. its Kde.. but its the best thing around03:54
strixysince I installed Ubuntu I've been living on the command line03:54
s0cksWell, yes, it tends to be important.03:54
marccdanyways. is hoary usable?03:54
s0cksmarccd : So I have heard.03:55
kayalimarccd: usable yes03:55
marccdyeah, so its like sid03:55
marccdive been using sid for 5 years, im just trying out ubuntu on another comp I have here, I must say very nice..03:55
s0cksHow efficiant is it??03:55
kayalimarccd: does sid have gnome 2.9.2?03:55
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marccdkayali, no, 2.8. experimental might, not sure, check #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org03:56
strixythanks marccd03:56
marccd2.7 was on experimental.. I dont know if they have started packaging 2.9.. they are really busy with getting 2.8 into sarge03:56
kayalimarccd: well hoary is 2.9.2... highly unstable in theory ;)03:56
Swerronhi, why in ubuntu console can't i do Whois an nslookup command?03:56
marccdSwerron, what error do you get?03:57
marccdkayali, well yeah, I just need a few things out of hoary, i usually pin packages when I use experimental on debian03:57
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marccdmeaning, ill just pin everything to warty, and ill -t hoary when I need it03:57
BrettMeisterIs this a good place to ask some very basic pre-install questions?03:58
marccdBrettMeister, kist asl03:58
marccdoops,. just ask03:58
marccdmissed the keys :-P03:58
Swerronmarccd: whois03:58
Swerronbash: whois: command not found03:58
CheatersRealmthe correct command is please-whois03:59
CheatersRealmyou have to ask nicely :)03:59
marccdSwerron, sudo apt-get install whois03:59
BrettMeisterI have read the docs on the Ubunto site.  When using partitionmagic to set up, how many partitions should I set aside for this linux distro?03:59
CheatersRealmor that.03:59
hypa7iaBrettMeister: just leave a big blank one and split it with the ubu installer03:59
CheatersRealmBrettMeister, you could leave 1 of unpartitioned space03:59
marccdBrettMeister, depends on your hard drive, the Ubuntu instalation can do it for you also, but you can use partition magic03:59
BlackwellBrettMeister: consider to wet your feet in vmware first, if that is an option.03:59
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marccdtry the live cd..03:59
hypa7iaFirst Post!04:00
BrettMeisterDoes vmware work well?04:00
Swerronmarccd: package not available??04:00
BlackwellBrettMeister: for me, yes.04:00
BrettMeisterBetter than partitionmagic?04:00
marccdSwerron, did you configure your sources.list?04:00
BlackwellBrettMeister: erh...vmware is a virtual pc environment thingie...04:00
hypa7iaBrettMeister: vmware is something completely different...04:00
marccdtry apt-cache policy whois04:00
BlackwellBrettMeister: good for trying new operating systems without the risk of wiping your hdd clean.04:01
BrettMeisterI've already been playing around with Knoppix.04:01
hypa7iabut costs major $$04:01
kayalihow can someone build a .deb package?04:01
Swerronmarccd: no, i'm a bit new to linux04:01
hypa7iaBrettMeister: should be fine then.04:01
marccdSwerron, ok04:01
Blackwellkayali: must follow the instructions for .debs?04:01
hypa7iaBrettMeister: i always make a separate partition for /home so i don't need to back up much if i want to reinstall04:02
kayaliBlacKnight|: I'm googling...04:02
Swerroni installed some repo yesterday, now i try some commands , like whois and nslookup and doenst work04:02
kayalisorry, this was for Blackwell04:02
Swerronid like to find out how to get those cmd04:02
marccdSwerron, as root edit /etc/apt/sources.list04:02
BrettMeisterSo I ought to set up a single partition for ubunto and the others for Windows XP?  I want to do a dual OS.04:02
marccdsudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list04:02
marccdgedit has to be installed04:03
BlackwellBrettMeister: leave free space, the ubuntu installer will pick it up and partition accordingly, i assume.04:03
Swerronyep. a windows poped up04:03
BlackwellBrettMeister: typically linux wants a separate swap partition, keep that in mind.04:03
BrettMeisterRight now I have defragged enought that I have about 34 gig open.  Enough?04:04
Quest-Masterthat's way more than enough. :D04:04
marccdSwerron, ok, youll see lines like04:04
marccd## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted04:04
Swerronyep, exactly04:04
marccdwhen It says uncomment, just remove the # from those "deb bla bla " lines04:04
marccdtake out the first #04:04
CheatersRealmI'm bored. downloading warty is taking a while.04:04
marccdjust do the same for all the # deb http... ocurrences in that file04:05
Swerronfrom all of them ?04:05
marccdjust the lines that say # deb http...04:05
Swerroni save it and try to install whois&04:05
marccdok, save it, and close gedit04:05
BrettMeisterSorry to be so thick here, but I really don't want to spend any more time than I have to straightening out a screw up.....04:05
marccdno, first you must do apt-get update04:05
marccdas the user root of course04:05
dcstimmAnyone know a nice place to live in the west that has good jobs and affordable rent?04:05
BrettMeisterDo I really need to run partitionmagic if I manually install ubunto?04:05
marccdsudo apt-get update && apt-get install whois04:06
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Swerronyes, i opened a root session04:06
marccdapt-get update04:06
marccdand then install whois04:06
Swerronok, updateding now04:06
dcstimmwhat is the point of the root terminal? very bad idea04:06
Swerrondo i have to do, apt-get install ?04:06
marccdyeah, apt-get install whois04:06
Swerronnice !04:06
marccdnow you should have all of the packages in ubuntu04:06
Swerronafter do i have to put back tbhe # in the list, or i let it that way04:07
marccdyou can search with "apt-cache search"04:07
marccdSwerron, no, just leave the list alone04:07
marccdyou might want to use Synaptic if you want something easier04:07
Swerronok , thanks a lot, ill try it as soon as downloading is complete :)04:07
marccdyoure welcome04:08
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Swerrongreat :) whois is installed :)P04:08
Swerroncan i do the same for nslookup?04:08
marccdapt-cache search nslookup04:09
BrettMeisterThanks for your help, folks.  This is a cool site.04:09
marccdif I remember correctly its the "host" package that includes that04:09
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Swerronwhat apt-cache search nslookup is for?04:09
marccdfor searching what you want04:09
Swerronto search if its already installed?04:09
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marccdno, for searching packages04:10
marccdall packages04:10
kerganinstalled or not04:10
marccdif you want to see installed packages do dpkg -l04:10
marccdor apt-cache policy to check..04:10
kerganany probs do a smartupgrade on the new hoary updates04:11
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Gwildorkergan, thats what i do ervery day :)04:13
kerganme too just making shure first this time thares a lot of them04:14
kergankinda scaird me04:14
Gwildori dont think its how many, i think its WHAT04:14
kerganthat too04:14
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kayalidamn, ripping/encoding a cd makes my ibook slow as hell :)04:15
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macewankernel 2.6.9 - anyone tried on warty?04:16
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marccdmacewan, it should work fine04:21
macewanwould anything change with alsa?04:21
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marccdI dont think so, I use debian sid on my other computer, always with custom kernels.. I dont really fancy the "debian way" of installing kernels04:22
marccdit should work fine..04:22
marccdas long as you know what modules you need..04:22
macewanthat i do04:22
marccdyou could just copy boot/config-
marccd/boot, sorry04:23
marccdand use the same config..04:23
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macewanwas wondering if there was a ubuntu'ish howto available04:24
marccdon compiling a kernel?04:24
marccdI guess you could do the debian, well in this case, ubuntu way.. and get a deb04:25
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macewanWhat is the ReST format?04:33
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ZotnixAnyway to get packages with debugging symbols?04:36
marccdinstall gdb04:36
marccdif you want to debug an application that is04:36
ZotnixYeah, but the programs also need to be compiled with debugging symbols.04:37
marccdapt-get source package04:37
marccdchange the rules on the control file and compile it yourself04:37
ZotnixAh, okay.04:37
marccdalthough it will require some knowledge of how to create debian packages04:37
occyhmmm, if I do about:plugins  now in firefox, it shows the Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0-b6404:38
occybut when I try to go to this page that uses Java.... it just sits there04:39
marccdoccy, try executing java in a terminal, does the command exist?04:39
occymarccd: yup04:39
marccdweird, did you ln -s the plugin?04:40
occyyah, I'm sure that's why it shows up in the plugins list :)04:40
marccdusing Sun's?04:40
nomasteryodaoccy, the guys on the Linuxshow brought up Drupal04:41
occyused the one from multiverse04:41
occynomasteryoda: nifty04:41
marccdtry blackdown04:41
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nomasteryodathe last LinuxShow.. until about Feb 200504:41
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marccdjava is fast like an F1 Car04:42
occythe mozilla spinner isn't going anymore...04:42
occyok, /me trys the binary version04:44
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occydamn... this page is a nightmare:   http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5/04:46
occyis J2SE 5.0  =  j2se 1.5?04:46
marccdyou dont want the SDK04:46
occyconfusing as hell04:46
marccdyou want the runtine04:46
occydon't see a link there04:47
occygoing now marccd04:47
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occymarccd: 1.4.2 ?04:48
occyjdk ?04:48
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marccdoccy, yeah04:49
marccdwithin there choose the j2re04:49
occygrabbing:  ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/i386/01/j2re-1.4.2-01-linux-i586.bin04:50
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occythat link is slow, switched to metalab.unc.edu :)04:52
marccdjust unpack it in /usr/java or somewhere04:52
marccdln -s  the plugin04:52
marccdthen export PATH="/usr/java/bin":$PATH04:52
marccdor whatever the path is04:53
occybest to do it per user?  (only going to have max, 3users on the laptop)  or put in /usr/local or something.04:54
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marccddo as you please04:54
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prakcan someone tell me how i can disable mouse gestures in firefox1.0 that comes packages with hoary?04:59
HrdwrBoBclick on the mouse gestures extension05:00
prakthats the problem05:00
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prakits not there as an extension05:00
HrdwrBoBoh.. well.. not sure05:00
|QuaD|prak: it doesn't come with hoary i don't believe05:00
prakits funny.. coz the binary from mozilla has it as an extension05:00
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hypa7iaare there working installers for hoary yet?05:01
prak|QuaD| i was on warty and had 0.9. on hoary, i am on 1.0 and on my laptop, whenever i move my mouse in an ever so simple direction... i end up going back or something like that. you think it is something else causing it?05:02
hypa7iainstaller cd's i meant :-)05:02
prakhypa7ia -- i don't know if there is one... searched a lot, then simply upgraded to hoary from warty05:03
hypa7iaprak: did you have to do any weird utf8 stuff?  i hosed my last attempt at that bigtime :-/05:03
|QuaD|prak: when you upgraded you probably had it on warty05:04
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AndyFitzhi keenan05:04
keenani decided to try out hoary and so far everything's working great05:05
keenanexcept all my alsa devices seem to be shifted by one05:05
keenanat first everything complained "No such device"05:05
keenanbut then i tried hw:1 instead of hw:0 and it worked05:06
keenanany reason why this should happen?05:06
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keenanlike for example05:08
keenanto get aumix to work i had to rm /dev/mixer; ln -s /dev/mixer1 /dev/mixer05:08
keenanwhereas before it pointed at /dev/mixer005:08
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kergani never had to do that05:08
kerganwith hoary05:09
keenanhmm wonder what's different with my setup05:10
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rororhi all05:10
kergankeenan,  whats your card05:11
kerganmine is05:11
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kerganSysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1993.040 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 359/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.82G Free: 18.44G Procs: 71 Uptime: 19 mins 24 secs Load: 0.00 0.06 0.15  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 1.92M Out: 0.17M05:11
kerganbasic buint in one on a i845g/gl board05:11
keenanyeah sounds a lot like mine05:11
keenansame everything05:12
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Wonka_VisionAnyone install Ubuntu for AMD64 on an MSI K8N Neo2?05:14
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Craneerr.... hello05:18
CraneI get to go home tomorrow night05:18
Cranethen I can try Ubuntu05:18
kergangood for you05:18
CraneI'm tired of this hotel room05:19
occydamn.... this java thing isn't working under Firefox.05:19
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occyI can do other stupid java games and such05:20
occyand they all work fine05:20
Cranein firefox?05:20
occyMy dad's work has access through this java applet to some mainframe05:20
occyyeah... in firefox05:20
occyTrying to set it up for him.05:20
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CraneSorry I don't have much experience with java05:21
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keenanI figured it out!05:22
kergankeenan,  what was it05:22
keenani happened to have my usb midi interface plugged in when i booted up05:22
keenanso it tried to make _that_ the first card05:22
keenannow everything's back to normal =)05:23
crazneyhey is there an mplayer apt mirror that works for ubuntu somewhere?05:23
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orc3nlol @ doing so many upgrades to ubuntu that its turned back into debian :x05:25
Wonka_VisionX will not start after installing Ubuntu AMD64 release.05:25
Wonka_VisionI am unable to retrieve an error message.05:25
Wonka_VisionWhen trying to install the Nvidia drivers, I get an error message telling me that the installer is unable to find the linux-image- source tree.05:26
Wonka_VisionAny ideas?05:26
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Cranenot really05:27
CraneHave you installed the kernel source?05:27
Wonka_VisionI am not certain. I don't think the installer installs the kernel source, and I don't know where to find it.05:28
Wonka_VisionShould it be located on the cd?05:28
prakhypa7ia - i stuck to en-us and a couple of variants. no other nls including utf8.05:28
HrdwrBoBWonka_Vision: you shouldn't need that05:28
HrdwrBoBinstall restricted-modules05:28
Craneyou don't need kernel source for nvidia drivers?05:29
occyOk... so is there any way I can install Windows under Ubuntu?  (heh, like vmware or something, but free)05:29
HrdwrBoBapt-get install linux-restricted-modules-
HrdwrBoBCrane: no there is a package for them05:29
dcstimmanyone know a good multimeter and soldering iron to buy?05:29
prak|QuaD| if you are still there... no, i did not have it in warty either... in fact i had no extensions installed in warty either.. same with hoary now... still firefox ends up responding to mouse gestures.. is there a way i can remove and install it again? purge configs etc... just for the heck of it. ubuntu-desktop depends on firefox1.005:30
CraneNo package for kernel source?05:30
Craneoccy: why would you want to?05:30
occyCrane: looks like I need IE(ugh) to use this java05:31
occymy dad's work's site isn't working.05:31
occyI can load all kinds of java games and crap.... but they don't work.05:31
HrdwrBoBCrane: there is but you don't need it if you can get the nvidia driver in a package05:31
Wonka_VisionThen the Nvid drivers should install?05:31
occyit has some access to some mainframe system, so I'm sure it's doing something funky.05:31
occyand may need windows.05:31
occynomasteryoda: you have vmware?05:32
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nomasteryodalet me look at it05:32
Craneoccy: have you tried a different browser?05:32
Wonka_Visionrestricted-modules should be what the nvidia installer needs?05:32
occyCrane: tried Mozilla 1.7.3  and firefox 1.005:32
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HrdwrBoBWonka_Vision: no05:33
HrdwrBoBinstall that05:33
HrdwrBoBthen install nvidia-glx05:33
CraneWonka: does the 32bit version nvidia drivers install easily?05:33
HrdwrBoBthen run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable05:34
HrdwrBoBthen you're done05:34
HrdwrBoByou don't need to run the installer05:34
Wonka_VisionIsn't that only for the glx driver?05:34
Wonka_VisionI am having a problem with X not working completely.05:34
etorix<HrdwrBoB> install that*05:35
CraneWonka: have you checked your log files for errors?05:35
Wonka_VisionI have no idea where they would be located. The console default output merely tells me that Xfree is in beta or something.05:35
HrdwrBoBWonka_Vision: just run what I've said05:37
Wonka_VisionOkay I will give it a shot.05:37
HrdwrBoBthat will do the same thing as the installer will05:37
HrdwrBoBetorix: nvidia-glx05:37
Wonka_VisionI might just go with i386 release if I can't get 64 working.05:37
etorixdont i need kernel-headers for that .. nvidia?05:38
CraneWonka: check /var/log directory for the log file05:38
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HrdwrBoBetorix: no, this is a prepackaged version of the drivers05:39
HrdwrBoByou don't need anything05:39
HrdwrBoBit's all done for you05:39
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CraneHrdwrBoB: do you still have to change the XF86Config or xorg files?05:40
kerganand thats easy05:40
HrdwrBoBCrane: no05:40
HrdwrBoBthat's what nvidia-glx-config enable does05:40
etorixok .. thats coming ..05:40
CraneI hope to install ubuntu tomorrow I like to play games requiring the nvidia driver be installed05:41
etorixhmm .. im sure i saw a nvidia howto ..05:41
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Wonka_VisionIs xorg gonna become the default X server in upcoming version of Ubuntu?05:41
HrdwrBoBWonka_Vision: yes05:41
kerganWonka_Vision, yes05:41
kergani love it allready05:41
CraneI agree I like xorg05:41
etorixits on hoary 64-bit05:41
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etorixim on it .. xorg05:41
kergani got 15-20 fps using nwn on xfree now i get 20-30fps in xorg05:42
Wonka_VisionIt's on hoary 64bit? The error messages told me it was xfree.05:42
kerganusing /sys -p05:42
kerganSysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1993.040 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 354/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.93G Free: 18.55G Procs: 72 Uptime: 50 mins 36 secs Load: 0.00 0.11 0.25  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 3.04M Out: 0.42M05:42
etorixwel ..05:42
Wonka_VisionOh wait.. I am dumb.05:42
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etorixSystem Information for [ gububod ] 05:42
Wonka_VisionI am trying to install Warty.05:42
etorixOS/Kernel: Linux 2.6.9-1-amd64-generic05:43
etorixCPU Info: (1) 1004.913 MHz AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+05:43
etorixHD Info: 4G/56G05:43
etorixMemory: 467.058/1023.77 MB05:43
etorixProcesses: 8905:43
etorixUptime: 20min05:43
CraneKergan: where did you get the sysinfo script?05:43
Wonka_VisionWill 32bit apps install under ubuntu 64?05:43
Jon_KI was wondering how the unbuntu people afford to ship millions of pressed cds for free... is it all donation driven?05:43
Craneany certian version?05:43
Wonka_VisionI just got mine the other day.05:43
Wonka_Vision20 cds05:43
kerganits a perl script i can dcc it to ya then ya drop it in to the .xchat2 dir restart xchat then have a running script05:43
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XenguyJon_K: markshuttleworth.com05:44
etorixhmm .. no gawk on here05:44
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CraneI think I found it05:45
etorix20 cds?05:45
PDHi there ppl05:45
etorixhow many archs?05:46
kerganCrane, i cant dcc to ya05:46
kergangot a e-mail i can send it to05:46
kerganits that small05:46
PDI have installed kde 3.2.3, but now how do I upgrade to a lates version of KDE 3.3.005:46
PDCan i do it with apt-get itself05:47
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kerganif its on the respotroies05:47
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kergandid it work Crane05:47
kerganguess it did05:47
kerganSysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1993.040 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 338/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.93G Free: 18.55G Procs: 75 Uptime: 56 mins 6 secs Load: 0.12 0.16 0.22  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 3.12M Out: 0.44M05:48
ferrisis there an easy way to download and install java?05:48
PDI got a repository with kde3.3.0,but what command do I issue to upgrade my kde05:48
kerganmines nicer :P~~~05:48
Cranethats what I was thinking05:48
PDI cant do another apt-get install right?05:48
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kerganpd i wouldent trust it unluss it came from ubuntu or mabby a kubuntu05:49
Camthe default repositories should let you upgrade your system right?05:49
kergancam yes05:49
PDbut still can you tell me the procedure to do it?05:49
etorixkubuntu repository?05:49
PDUbuntu repository came with KDE 3.2.305:50
kerganits in discution05:50
Atlas_hello how can I change the loader for have a beautifull loader with color like knoppix for example?05:50
ferrisgood question atlas05:50
kerganpd ya05:50
ferrisi have used knoppix, but the kde crashes too much on my laptop05:50
kerganpd but the kde 3.3.0 and on the ubuntu respotories yet so i wouldent trust it05:51
kerganand= ant05:51
PDKergan So it is safe I use this KDE itself right05:51
Camthen why does it not have the latest version of gimp for instance?05:51
kergancam command line or gui05:51
etorixkde 3.3.205:52
Camsynaptic or apt05:52
kergangui is the eassy way05:52
kergansynaptic do a reload05:52
Cami have05:52
kerganthen do mark all upgrade then do smart upgrade05:52
Camand ive also done a apt-get update05:53
etorixgimp 2.0605:53
Cami have kergan05:53
kergancam you might have to manuley install that program to get the updates05:53
Camthe gimp?05:53
Camit says the latest version on the repository is 2.0.205:54
etorixgimp 2.0.6 ive got05:54
Cambut the gimp is up to 2.205:54
kergani have 2.0.605:54
kergan2.2 ant on the respotories yet then05:54
kerganand i am on hoary05:54
kerganand thats whare youd see it first05:55
etorixso its a re-compile of sid05:55
etorixrather han a compile of the latest05:55
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Atlas_what I must do so...?05:57
etorixmaybe this nvidia-glx will let me get off this 64x480 desktop05:57
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kergancrane_,  try agine05:57
crane_os[jason@localhost.localdomain, Linux 2.4.22-1.2188.nptl i686]  cpu[AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+ @ 1.66GHz]  mem[Physical : 408MB/883MB Free]  disk[Total : 55.92GB/111.36GB Free] 05:58
kergannope still not as pritty as mine05:58
macewanhrm, apt-get is stuck on a package that it will not remove. fix broken & purge do nothing with dpkg exit 10.05:58
crane_lol I thoughtI i\putg a different script in05:58
kerganyou have the same affliction i have05:59
etorixtry --force-overwrite?06:00
etorixnvidia claims success06:00
etorixi better tart up xorg.conf a bit06:01
etorix a lot,even06:01
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kljmplayer in ubuntu how to?06:09
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seth_hello there06:10
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bob2klj: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats06:11
Se7hdamn im ungry06:11
Cranelets try this one06:11
Craneos[Linux 2.4.22-1.2188.nptl - Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow)]  up[7 hours, 46 minutes]  cpu[AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+, 1662.518 MHz (3316.12 bogomips)]  cache[256 KB]  mem[839.25/883.12 MB (95.0%)]  load[0.12]  procs[68]  disk[53469.93/114036.23 MB (46.9%) (Maxtor 6Y120P0)]  video[PCI device 10de:0321 (nVidia Corporation) (rev 161). at 1024x768 (24 bits)] 06:11
bob2please don't do that again06:12
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kljbob2, sorry my inglish, i am brazileiro huauhuha06:12
bob2Crane: yeah, your computer specs are pretty off-topic ;)06:12
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Mojo_JojoHi, can someone help me connect to a windows printer.06:13
Se7hklj aprende a falar :P06:13
Cranesorry lol just checking a script06:13
Cranewon't happen again06:13
kljSe7h, uhauuha06:13
Se7h /exec -o uptime06:13
Se7h 05:13:39 up 5 days, 23:06,  3 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.44, 0.5606:13
kljSe7h, de que estado?06:13
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Se7hklj in english plz06:14
CraneWhat contry did ubuntu originate?06:14
Se7hlol ;P06:14
etorixisle of man?06:14
CraneAre there many American users?06:15
GoPlasticIs anyone able to help me get linksys pcmcia wireless card recognized?06:15
bob2Canonical is based on the Isle Of Man, but ubuntu is developed by people from around the world06:15
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kljSe7h, I am of Salvador/BA and you?06:16
Se7hklj Lisboa PT06:16
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Se7hoh man i think im not going to work today06:17
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CraneWork?? I need to go to bed06:17
ferrishow can i change the root password?06:17
Se7him doing 17-0006:18
HrdwrBoBubuntu doesn't work by default with 3ware raid cards as boot devices06:18
kljSe7h, you go to rock in rio lisboa?06:18
HrdwrBoBbecause it doesn't load the damn driver in the initial ram disk06:18
Se7hferris u realy want root active?06:18
Scorptype your old password and Ip address here like this:          IPADDRESS;oldpassword;newpassword;newpassword and it'll change :)06:18
ferrisi need it active so that i can install jave06:18
Se7hklj no, i've missed it06:18
Se7hferris sudo06:18
kljSe7h, ok06:19
ferrissudo... what options?06:19
Se7hferris non sudo <command> <- execute command working on root06:20
ferrisi am not at root06:20
ferrisi am at ferris06:20
Se7hi know06:20
Se7hbut sudo will ask for root password06:20
Se7hand u enter ur own from user06:20
Se7hthey r the same06:20
ferrisferris@absolute:~ $ sudo06:21
ferrisusage: sudo -V | -h | -L | -l | -v | -k | -K | [-H]  [-P]  [-S]  [-b]  [-p prompt] 06:21
ferris            [-u username/#uid]  -s | <command>06:21
ferrisferris@absolute:~ $06:21
ferristhat is what I got06:21
Se7hsudo + command06:21
Se7hlet me check my server uptime btw06:22
kljferris, sudo apt-get install amy lee hauauha06:22
ferriswhat command do i need to enter?06:22
Cloudchaserhiya..i have a question..in the middle of my screen is a black X06:22
Cloudchasercan't seem to get it to go away06:22
Se7hCloudchaser o.006:22
Se7hsinner# uptime06:23
Se7h 6:25AM  up 16 days, 2 mins, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.0006:23
Se7hferris how u want to install java ?06:23
ferrisi don't really care HOW... i just want to get it installed06:24
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ferrisso i can view yahoo games pages06:24
Cloudchaseranyone have any idea of what the "X" is or how to get rid of it?06:24
Se7hyes, but what's the file type ?06:24
Se7hCloudchaser no idea what u talikin' about06:25
Cloudchaseri have ubuntu installed06:25
Se7hferris "sudo /path_to_file/file.bin06:25
Cloudchaserin the middle of my screen is a black x that won't go away..it shows up over top of whatever i have open06:25
ferrisoh ok06:25
ferristhat makes sence06:25
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Se7hCloudchaser no idea what that is realy06:26
Cloudchaserand i can't get it to go away06:26
etorixok .. my xorg.conf says i have 1024x768 available .. but my desktop wont go above 64x48006:26
etorixwhers the gnome/whatever desktop config files?06:27
Se7hComputer -> System Configuration -> Screen Resolution06:27
etorixhmm .. that wouldnt give me a choice before06:28
etorixmy bootscreen does 1024x768 ok06:28
Se7hcheck ur xfree config file06:29
etorixits a real pita .. all the *yes/no* dialogs are offscreen06:29
etorixxorg ta06:30
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etorixit looks fine06:30
etorixsays i have three sizes available06:30
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Se7hwhats drivers of GC r u using ?06:30
Se7hwhat what card u have?06:30
etorix5600 gt06:30
etorix nvidia06:31
etorixhmm what version is the default glx?06:31
etorix dunno06:31
Se7hhave u instaled the newer ones?06:31
etorixfrom apt06:31
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etorixshould be 6629 .. i dont see it in xorg.log06:36
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Scorpguys does ubuntu/ppc support a powerbook G3s bells and whistles like the volume/brightness buttons and sleep functions etc... ?06:46
etorixharware detection is good ..06:46
ferrisburn a live cd06:47
ferrisrun it06:47
etorixi logged into gnome .. but no babana06:47
ferrisif it runs, it should work if you install it06:47
Scorpfrom where do I get a live cd? is that the same as the installation cd ?06:47
ferrisit is not06:47
etorix still no other choice than 640x480 @60 hz06:47
Scorpthere is only (from what I can tell) a 386 live cd06:48
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etorix640x480 @ 60 hz  is .. slightly un-tolerable06:49
etorixto put it mildly06:49
bob2Scorp: yes06:50
ferris<Scorp> i do not think it is still in distro. You can download KNoppix live cd. if it runs, ubuntu will load. (they are both debian)06:50
Scorpferris I would but downloading a whole live CD to see if the other one will work will take too much time06:50
HrdwrBoBferris: not that simple06:51
etorixbut is ubuntu binary compatible with debian?06:51
Scorpand I need to know if ubuntu comes with the software needed to support those fn+F? keys, (ie volume, brightness,) and if it'll support other things specific to my laptop and if it will emulate 2 buttons06:51
xskoulaxScorp, what laptop?06:52
ScorpPS I'm talking about the PPC version06:52
ScorpPowerBook G3 Pismo06:52
bob2etorix: mostly06:52
bob2Scorp: the keys are a hardware thing, and are supported by pbuttonsd (like on every other linux distribution)06:52
xskoulaxScorp, i'm pretty sure it will emulate the 2 button, i think it uses the f11 or f12 key for it06:53
etorixcan i add my 64-bit debian sources?06:53
bob2mouse emulation is also a kernel thing, and supported by ubuntu06:53
Scorpok excellent06:53
Scorpso I can get the source to pbuttonsd on any linux distro and compile it?06:53
bob2er, of course06:53
bob2like any other program06:53
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etorixhmm .. id like to get gkrellm up07:01
etorixnice to see artwiz is in07:01
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Se7htoshiba satelite t2155cds07:02
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Se7hdam old07:09
etorixhmm .. nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb07:09
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TycheHello there07:10
etorixmy ol' tosh 2540cds k6/2 was ok07:10
etorixeven tho it was onbly 32mb ram07:10
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Tycheis there a way from command line to convert unixtime stamp to normal date time?07:11
crimsunsure. The easiest way is probably a perl command07:11
crimsunjust Google for it07:11
bob2seconds-since-the-epoch to a normal date?07:12
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crimsun(I presume so, bob2)07:12
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zaeemhi guys07:15
zaeemhow can i display all the installed packages in my ubuntu and remove them if i want to..07:16
GotD0tdoes anybody know about getting a linksys WUSB11 working in ubuntu07:16
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zaeema command line utility preferably..07:16
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bob2zaeem: computer -> system -> synaptic07:16
bob2or aptitude07:16
zaeemlike rpm -qa lists all installed packages..07:16
bob2GotD0t: does linux support it?07:16
zaeembob2, i need a CLI command07:16
GotD0tbob2: thats the question07:16
bob2zaeem: aptitude then07:16
bob2GotD0t: you can find that out as easily as anyone...07:16
zaeembob2, aptitude was pretty difficult to use07:17
bob2zaeem: or dpkg -l | grep \^ii07:17
FX|LaptopI've got a question. My cdrom will not work with the ubuntu cd. I was wondering if its possible to get ubuntu with knoppix or mepis?07:17
zaeemi have compiled a 2.6.9 kernel and after it boots my keyboard and mouse do not work..any suggestions?07:17
bob2zaeem: use an ubuntu kernel07:17
FX|LaptopAnother words changing the repos to the ubuntu repos07:17
zaeembob2, the default ubuntu kernel doesnot support smp..07:17
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zaeemi need smp coz i am installing it on a dual processor DELL PE 245007:18
bob2zaeem: install the smp kernel then. linux-kernel-6868-smp or so07:18
bob2FX|Laptop: that probably won't work well07:18
etorixFX|Laptop: ive seen debootstrap howtos in the install guide07:18
FX|Laptopzeem search for this kernel...
FX|LaptopOk I'll look around etorix, thanks07:19
zaeemFX|Laptop, search where?07:19
bob2zaeem: in your package management tool07:20
etorixicluding a from-knoppix07:20
Se7hOT question07:21
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Se7hdoes anyone knows a good "1 floppy linux dist" ?07:21
crimsunthat might be 2, hmm07:22
etorixtheres a few .. look on distrowatch07:22
etorixmy mate was making a uclibc distro with 200 apps in 5mb07:23
zaeemwrite a root/boot disk image from slackware install cd Se7h07:24
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zaeemcant find ...07:27
bob2can't find what?07:28
ivarq: where should a newbie start debugging broken audio in hoary ?07:28
etorixive seen smp kernels in the lists ..07:28
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zaeemright now i am compiling a new one..07:29
bob2zaeem: yes, because it doesn't exist07:29
bob2zaeem: I told you the package name already07:29
bob2zaeem: if you want to find it yourself, " apt-cache search linux-image | grep smp"07:29
zaeemthnx bob207:29
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FX|Laptopzaeem, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-21.149645588  Read that07:30
FX|LaptopOtherwise, if you are on a dual-processor workstation, you might type:07:30
FX|Laptopsudo apt-get install linux-686-smp07:30
zaeemFX|Laptop, its a dual processor server..07:31
FX|LaptopYea, and?07:31
zaeemDell poweredge 2450...07:31
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FX|Laptopthats what you want right is the smp kernel?07:31
zaeemyes but optimized for the p307:32
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Zotnixit's the same.07:35
ZotnixAccidently clicked in there07:35
ZotnixShouldn't they change the room +t07:35
ZotnixSo nobody can change the topic unless they are operator.07:37
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bob2kI know what it is, bbut why do you think it should be set?07:37
bob2there have only been very minor issues with that in the past07:37
Zotnixbecause it is basic to good room operation.07:38
bob2you don't think this is a good channel? ;)07:38
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ZotnixDidn't say that, just think they should operate the room well.07:39
GotD0tok, im trying to build the drivers for my wireless lan card... and it cant find the file or directory "/lib/modules/2.6.9-1-686/build"07:41
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the--dudargh... im trying to install from my slackware setup according to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromOtherDistroHowto07:42
the--dudits failing :(07:42
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VirteXanyone in here successfully installed ATI drivers in 4.10 ??07:48
hannes__dont't buy ati cards, they suck07:48
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VirteXguess i'll have to switch back to a different distro... and i was liking this one too07:49
VirteXit works great on my laptop07:50
hannes__that's bad07:50
crimsunATI drivers should work fine w/ Warty07:50
hannes__ubuntu has lots of potential07:50
crimsun(Warty uses XFree86, not X.Org)07:50
VirteXi haven't been able to get them to work at all07:50
jameshVirteX: did you follow the directions on the wiki?07:51
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VirteX jamesh : got a link ? i've tried the ones i've found on the site but haven't had any luck making them work07:51
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VirteXah yea... the binarydriverhowto... i've tried that three times07:52
VirteXfglrx is not a module, that's the error i get after trying that07:53
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VirteXand then x doesn't run at all07:53
John-UBhi all07:53
John-UBquestion - has anyone managed to get a citrix web client to work in firefox under warty ?07:54
hannes__John-UB: try the "big mozilla"07:54
John-UBhannes__, ??07:55
John-UBubuntu urinates on fedora core from a height - it works on this machine for one which fedora refuses to do it seems07:57
hannes__John-UB: http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/07:58
John-UBahh cheers hannes__07:58
John-UBso it works in mozilla not firefox ?08:00
hannes__but try08:01
John-UBwill do08:01
hannes__i've had a few situations where firefox didn't show a site correctly but mozilla did08:02
hannes__mozilla -> Mozilla suite08:02
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John-UBfor some reason firefox doesnt want to work with the plugin in linux08:03
John-UBand nothing seems to fix it08:03
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dudiodamn it, as im trying to install ubuntu from my slackware, install, 'dpkg-reconfigure locales console-data' fails08:14
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etorixdid u run base-config08:23
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etorixcool .. gimp 2.2.0 n sid08:42
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etorixhmm .. nicenew splash08:45
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=== Topic for #ubuntu: Ubuntu support channel | FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ | Wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ | Mailing lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Forum: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ | Warty Guide: http://ubuntuguide.org
=== Topic (#ubuntu): set by elmo__ at Wed Dec 22 01:59:28 2004
zaeembob2: bootmisc.sh ??09:37
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bob2zaeem: add it to squid's init script09:41
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zaeemi tried...09:42
zaeemdidnt work.09:42
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ogahey does anybody know how to fix/reset my taskbar at the bottom of the screen..... (where avaiable programs/windows are displayed)... atm it's always blank (except the trashcan is still there) i can still alt+ tab between programs but no display... any ideas?09:47
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bob2right click on it, add applet, task list09:48
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ogacheers... much better09:51
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LucaBrasican someone tell me where the allowed resolutions etc are stored09:56
LucaBrasiI just installed a fresh copy of ubuntu ... restarted and just when its supposed to load I only get a black screen09:56
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LucaBrasimy guess it's trying to use an invalid res as the LCD has a max res .. plus it's going over a KVM09:57
LucaBrasianyway .. what's the conf file I need to look at?09:57
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qbeekyep ?09:58
RuffianSoldierslow night?09:58
etorixetc/X11/xf86Config-4 or xorg.conf , depending09:58
etorixon whether its xfree86 or xoeg10:00
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LucaBrasiI think it's the kvm not the res10:01
LucaBrasiX probably can't find the kbd/mouse properly or something bag10:01
bob2your kvm may be blocking ddc10:01
bob2lots of them are buggy like that10:01
bob2try taking it out and see if it works10:01
LucaBrasithe reason I think it's the kvm is because the hotkeys stop working when I boot to this black hole that is my new ubuntu install.10:01
LucaBrasikvm hotkeys that is10:02
bob2take the kvm out and see if it works10:02
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daniels(by 'lots', bob2 means 'all')10:02
bob2yo daniels10:02
bob2sleepin' it up10:03
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bob2still in B?10:05
LucaBrasiok it's not the KVM10:09
LucaBrasiwhat else could it be10:09
LucaBrasithe screen doesn't flicker ..it just goes completely black so it's not a wrong res either probably10:10
LucaBrasiat bootup there're 2 errors only10:10
LucaBrasione about pcihp.ko10:10
LucaBrasiand pchp.ko or something like that10:10
bob2ignore them10:10
LucaBrasifrom modprobe10:10
LucaBrasithose couldn't be causing this blackness?10:11
LucaBrasihm what else then?10:11
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LucaBrasiah well ubuntu did look promising10:13
LucaBrasifuckit .. I guess it's still just linux10:13
bob2yay for trolling10:13
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LucaBrasiyay for another distro that can't even install10:13
AndyFitzmod -1 troll  lol10:13
joh_Is there any tips&tricks for installing php5 on warty?10:13
bob2LucaBrasi: it installed fine, your hardware was broken10:14
AndyFitzyour problem is fair enough mate.10:14
bob2LucaBrasi: install it without the kvm in the way and see if it works10:14
RuffianSoldieranyone ran 3d desktop in Ubuntu?10:14
LucaBrasiI rebooted it without the kvm anywhere .. it's not the kvm10:14
AndyFitzRuffianSoldier:  yes but not for long10:14
AndyFitzgets annoying10:14
bob2LucaBrasi: it doesn't magically resetup X after a reboot10:14
RuffianSoldierim hacking trouble10:15
RuffianSoldierAndyFitz - how do I enable graphics accelleration?10:15
LucaBrasibob2 why would it need to?10:15
AndyFitzwhat card do you have  ?10:15
bob2LucaBrasi: because your hardware was preventing it from finding out anything!10:15
RuffianSoldierAndyFitz - currently VIA Onboard10:15
LucaBrasibob2 hmm ..funny. Why didn't windows have any problems with it?10:16
LucaBrasiwindows even automatically enabled some sort of wheel scrolling function ... to enhance the mouse while its connected to the kvm, lol10:17
RuffianSoldierbbiab - dogwalk10:17
LucaBrasiand ubuntu won't even load ... because it's ..confused??10:17
AndyFitzlucabrasi, winging won't help you.  your problem is valid but your attitude is irritating .  take it easy mate10:17
bob2LucaBrasi: you're welcome to find a bug so it can be fixed10:18
AndyFitzfile a bug, accept that your hardware is being the fun-police and go back to windows10:18
LucaBrasinah that's ok .. I'll just go find a distro where others find and fix bugs ;-)10:18
bob2LucaBrasi: you're also making it unpleasant to try to help you, which only increases the likelyhood of you failing to get it to work10:18
bob2what a productvie attitude10:18
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LucaBrasiwhat am I supposed to be doing .. dancing ?10:19
LucaBrasitook me half a day to get this all (hardware) put together and up and running10:19
AndyFitznot sending useless bytes of irrelevant text into my chat window for one10:19
LucaBrasieverything installs without a single problem or error ..then ubuntu turns into a black hole. No errors, nothing logged .. nice eh? Brand spanking new.10:20
AndyFitzruffian:  I'm not sure if there are packages for vai hardware,  is that the chipset it uses ?10:20
AndyFitz have you installed nvidia-glx ?10:20
bob2LucaBrasi: nothing logged at all? nothig in /var/local/XFree86.0.log, at *all*?10:20
AndyFitzfglrx-drivers  if its ati based10:20
bob2fabbione: daniels how does one get the X probe magic to run again?10:20
ograbob2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8610:21
ograbob2: moring....10:21
bob2ogra: sure that works?10:21
ograbob2:err evening10:21
ograbob2: yep, in warty from the terminal10:21
LucaBrasidont even have a /var/local10:22
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bob2ogra: to rerun xresprobe, etc?10:22
bob2LucaBrasi: er, /var/log10:22
ograbob2: if you need more options: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree8610:22
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ograbob2: nope, it is a Q/A dialog, filled with the detected values.....10:22
LucaBrasidont have a Xfree86 log10:22
bob2yeah, trying to get the probe stuff to run again10:23
ograbob2: i'm not sure if this is possible after installation, its probably done in the first stage of install.....10:24
bob2it's done in the second stage10:24
ograbob2: ah, ok...10:24
bob2you can watch it download xresprobe after the user questions10:25
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etorixok .. gota sane screen-res at last10:27
ograbob2: hmm, apt-cache rdepends xresprobe shows only xfree, so there must be some magic inside xfree.....10:28
bob2hmm, clever10:28
etorixwot a pita10:28
bob2ah, xserver-{xorg,xfree86}'s postinst calls it10:29
ironwolfwhere's the printer install how-to?  Installing a new printer via the menu's in Hoary/Printing seems to detect a printer, but printing the test page doesn't work.  Where do I look?10:29
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ograbob2: but i doubt a reinstall would help.....there is a md5 checksum anywhere that prevernts the config from being redone....10:30
bob2ogra: the magic of 'sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg ; apt-get install xserver-org' :)10:30
ograbob2: hoary....10:31
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ograbob2: i think you need to delete /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum before .....10:31
bob2even after purging it?10:32
ograbob2: not sure, try it :)10:32
ograbob2: i know that no xconfig tool rewrites the file if XF86Config-4.md5sum is there, but i dunno if purge deletes it....10:33
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RuffianSoldiergdm flexiserver xnest is fun :-D10:35
cefI'm interested in recording some video.. any recommended tools and formats that are supported by ubuntu natively?10:37
bob2ogg theora!10:37
ironwolfprinting anyone?  Where do I look?10:38
cefbob2: was thinking that.. is that pretty standard? last I heard (a while ago) the video format itself was changing10:38
Blackwellcef: i suggest to start looking for the right tool instead of the right format.10:38
Blackwellthe right tool will dictact the formats.10:39
Blackwellit would also dictact the right OS, but you have chosen yours already.10:39
ultrafunkcef: ripping or recording?10:39
cefBlackwell: perhaps.. the main issue really though is that i want the video to be viewable under linux10:39
bob2mpeg-2 is ok, too, iirc10:39
Blackwelldictate, rather10:39
cefultrafunk: recording10:39
bob2Blackwell: in an ideal world, but his choices are limited initially by external factors (ie government-dictated rules about which formats he can use)10:40
Blackwellbob2: oh. did he mention those?10:40
cefand since ubuntu doesn't contain any copyrighted codecs.. makes sense to ask what can be easily recorded to and played back from10:40
bob2s/copyrighted codec/codecs infringing on actively enforced patents/ :)10:41
Blackwellcef: any format you pick is a useless pick if you don't find tools to deal with that format, is what i mean.10:41
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cefbob2: whatever..10:41
ultrafunkcef: theora/ogg vorbis is a good choice, would work with something like gst-record (or Cupid, as it's now being called) and is generally playable with the tools shipping with Hoary at reasonable speed10:41
ultrafunk(or warty, if you use my gstreamer repository)10:42
cefBlackwell: well the video is all cut.. all I need to do is convert it from video in to an actual data stream10:42
Blackwellcef: ah, i see. i thought you need to do recording and cutting.10:42
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Blackwelljust conversion and the format choice left then i guess.10:42
cefwell hopefully I get my new lappy soon.. which should make this a lot easier..10:42
cefultrafunk: LUV meeting videos btw. *grin* ..10:43
etorixhmm .. wonder if LiVES builds on here10:43
cefbob2: getting an amd64 lappy.. *grin*10:43
LucaBrasianyone got any ideas where to look to find out why the fuck a fresh new install just loads a black screen instead of x10:43
bob2LucaBrasi: we went through this10:43
cefbob2: *grin* should be fun10:43
bob2LucaBrasi: run this, 'sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xfree86 ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86'10:43
LucaBrasibob2 no you went through how I should reinstall it .. you must work for a big ISP10:43
bob2cef: work/play/both?10:44
bob2LucaBrasi: huh?10:44
RuffianSoldiersomething is hungry!  You like that memory dont you!10:44
bob2LucaBrasi: I work for a luverly linux company10:44
cefbob2: both. work paying.. no hooks. if I left 5 days after they gave it to me, it's still mine10:44
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bob2cef: wow10:44
bob2nice :)10:44
LucaBrasihow am I even supposed to run sudo when I dont have a working system10:45
cefbob2: payback for taking almost 4 weeks out of my life to move the office back in September10:45
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bob2LucaBrasi: ssh in. or switch to a VT.10:45
bob2cef: ahhhh10:45
melazyboyHas xorg/fglrx been fixed yet?10:45
RuffianSoldierbob2 - I got a runaway process...... how can I find which process is using this CPU?10:45
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etorixor htop if you got it10:46
cefbob2: quite a powerhouse of a machine tho.. ATI 9700 Pro, 1 gig ram, 5 x usb2's, 1 x 1394, etc10:47
cefbob2: and of course, it'll be running ubuntu *grin*10:47
siddharthquestion: is there firefox 1.0 for ubuntu available? could not find it in the universe repository....10:48
bob2LucaBrasi: or boot without X10:48
bob2RuffianSoldier: 'top'.10:48
RuffianSoldierbob2 - huh?10:48
LucaBrasicant ssh in cant open a vt10:49
bob2siddharth: universe is not for random updates to things, it's for unsupported Free software.  firefox is in main, and in hoary is at 1.0 and 0.9.3 in warty.  the warty version will not be upgraded.10:49
bob2LucaBrasi: why?10:49
bob2cef: oh man, jeaaalous10:49
LucaBrasiwhy? because its a black hoele10:49
LucaBrasitheres nothing10:49
bob2LucaBrasi: are you sure it's even booting?10:49
LucaBrasiof course10:49
LucaBrasiit loads everything10:49
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LucaBrasithen the screen just goes black10:50
bob2LucaBrasi: and then reaches X and goes black?10:50
siddharththanks bob2. I could not locate it in the normal repository so I waded through universe. How do I upgrade warty to hoary? Any links on that?10:50
LucaBrasiI dont know if it reaches/opens X but it loads everything before it10:50
bob2LucaBrasi: ok, boot, and hit esc to get into grub.  hit 'e' on the first menu item, then add 'init=/bin/bash' to the end of the 'kernel options'10:50
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bob2then boot it (b, iirc)10:50
cefAnyone tried the Belkin VideoBus II under Linux/Ubuntu?10:50
bob2then you will boot into a terminal, and you can run the command I gave you10:50
bob2make sure the kvm is not involved10:51
bob2siddharth: er, haory is the unstable version of ubuntu, and is breaking kinda regularily atm10:51
LucaBrasikvm has nothing to do with it10:51
bob2so you say10:51
LucaBrasiits linux certified10:51
bob2but I don't think we have any evidence of that10:51
bob2but make sure it's not plugged in, just in case10:51
spacey`stagei cant make screenshots in hoary :p10:52
siddharthbob2: oops.... Guess I'll wait for the stable version. I gave up being on the bleeding edge some time ago :)10:52
bob2you can10:52
spacey`stageThe Application "gnome-screenshot" has quit unexpectedly.10:52
bob2just not from the menu10:52
RuffianSoldierDid you enjoy eating that RAM Firefox? YES YOU DID! YES YOU DID!10:52
spacey`stagei just press print screen10:52
joh_What is the default admun user and password for zope in warty?10:53
BlackwellRuffianSoldier: memory leak? how much ram?10:53
RuffianSoldierwell - it was using alot of CPU usage also10:53
RuffianSoldierthats all I was paying attention to10:53
RuffianSoldierit was going at the lowest 70%10:53
BlackwellRuffianSoldier: so you don't know how much ram it used or wether that might indicated a memory leak. ok.10:53
etorixi want gkrellm10:54
RuffianSoldierso apt-get it10:54
etorixdont see it10:54
bob2it's in universe10:54
spacey`stageRuffianSoldier, where you viewing a paticular page? i have had some high cpu usage at flash pages10:54
bob2please read the faq10:54
etorixPackage gkrellm is not available, but is referred to by another package.10:55
etorixThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or10:55
etorixis only available from another source10:55
etorixerrr: Package gkrellm has no installation candidate10:55
RuffianSoldierI was viewing a PHP page - but I have been on it for at least 20 mins10:55
RuffianSoldierit just started acting up10:55
bob2etorix: yes, it's in universe, please read the faq10:55
etorixi have universe sources10:56
dmsoulmandoes anyone know if the next release of ubuntu will come with openoffice 2.0?10:58
RuffianSoldierI think there was an RC or Beta of some new version recently :-/10:58
etorixSearch results10:58
etorixNo results were found.10:58
dmsoulmanyeah I've been reading about it and I looked at their roadmap and they're thinking March 0510:58
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bob2er, upstream version freeze is long before that10:59
dmsoulmanwell I was hoping10:59
bob2it's up to the RM, but I don't think a month is enough time to beat the bugs out of a .0 release10:59
bob2it could happen, I guess...10:59
dmsoulmandoes offer a lot of great enhancements, would be great for the release if the bugs were worked out10:59
dmsoulmanguess we'll have to see11:00
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etorixapt-cache search gkrellm11:01
etorixenlightenment-theme-ganymede - cK's Ganymede theme for E11:01
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siddharthquestion on evolution.... does anyone know how to download all contacts from an LDAP address-book to your local machine?11:05
HrdwrBoBsiddharth: why do you need to download11:06
HrdwrBoByou can access it from evolution11:07
siddharthHrdwrBoB: Correct, I have configured that at my office. I wanted a copy of the addressbook for my home where I do not have access to the LDAP server.11:07
HrdwrBoBtbh the easiest way to do that would be to run an ldap mirror on your machine :)11:08
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HrdwrBoByou may be able to do it in evo11:14
HrdwrBoBbut I'm not sure how (not at a gui to check atm)11:14
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Rohanhow do you tell apt-get to go and meet all dependencies for a package?11:15
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HrdwrBoBRohan: it does automagically11:16
HrdwrBoBapt-get install foo11:16
HrdwrBoBwill get all dependancies for foo11:16
Rohanthats what i thought.. but sometimes it will say that blabla will not be installed11:16
HrdwrBoBit might be simpyl recommended11:16
ograRohan: so something in your sources.list is wrong, or your package lists are not up to date11:17
ograRohan: what do you try to install ?11:17
Rohanwell im trying to go from sarge to ubuntu11:17
HrdwrBoBhaha well yeah11:17
HrdwrBoByou get that11:17
Rohanand when i try to install ubuntu-base11:17
ograRohan: hmm, there is a official upgrade guide on the wiki11:18
Rohanyeah i know... i have all the sources11:18
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ograRohan: nd removed the sarge sources i hope11:18
Rohanof course11:18
Rohanit wants to install alsa-base for ubuntu-base11:18
ograRohan: you also did apt-get update ?11:19
Rohanthen it says i need alsa-utils... and i try to meet its dependencies with pciutils.. but it says that it's already installed11:19
Rohanyeah i did11:19
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ograRohan: hmm, pciutils       2.1.11-1111:20
Rohani just added in the unstable sources (sid) to see if it would find what it needed there11:22
Rohanim just assuming that ubuntu is closer to sid than sarge11:22
Rohanand it seems to be working11:22
ograRohan: thats not good, dont mix ubuntu and debian11:23
etorix glxgears11:24
etorixXlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".11:24
etorixglxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.11:24
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Rohani dont think im mixing perse... since i told it to install ubuntu-base only and it will look for the packages that it needs in the ubuntu branch and the ones that arent there in the sid branch11:25
ograRohan: ubuntu/warty is to old for sid11:25
ograRohan: this will certainly break ... if  not now, then on one of the next upgrades11:26
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Rohanwell how do i meet the dependencies then11:26
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ograRohan: seen this ? https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge11:27
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ogra Just trying to switch sources in sources.list will have interesting and undefined results.11:27
Rohanhow about sid to ubuntu?11:28
ograinteresting results *g*11:28
ograRohan: you can do sarge to hoary (unstable)11:28
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Rohanim gone to go sarge>sid>hoary11:29
ograRohan: but unstable means unstable ..... its a bit like debian unstable with experimental11:29
ograRohan: drop sid there11:29
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HrdwrBoBwell it has it's good days :)11:29
Rohanyou sure11:29
HrdwrBoBtoday, has been a bad day11:30
Rohanit looks like most people have gone from sid>hoary easily11:30
HrdwrBoBI broke my fainces system a few days ago upgrading it to hoary11:30
ferrisis ubuntu supposed to be as fast as MS Win9X ?11:30
ograRohan: then everything gets updated...you can be sure that between sarge and hoary all the versions are newer11:30
HrdwrBoBferris: depends on the hardware11:30
HrdwrBoBI imagine on low ram systems win9x would perform 'faster'11:31
ferrisi have installed it on a sony viao laptop11:31
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HrdwrBoBwhat are the specs?11:31
ferrisit seems like knoppix was slow also11:31
ironwolfptal-mlcd says it initalized correctly, but can't find device.  I'm trying to setup an officejet K60.  dpkg-reconfigure hpoj says it finds the printer on the USB port, but that it can't communicate with it.  What should I try next?11:31
ograferris: what kind of vaio ?11:32
ferrisit is an 800 mhz11:32
HrdwrBoBironwolf: re plug it?11:32
HrdwrBoBferris: how much ram11:32
ograferris: i got a f707 here (600mhz) ...runs pretty fine11:32
HrdwrBoBram is the main killer11:32
HrdwrBoBif it has normal SODIMM slots just get some more11:33
ograferris: i got 256....11:33
ironwolfHrdwrBoB: plug it? it's plugged in, and it prints in windows.11:33
ograHrdwrBoB: nope, its a vaio....11:33
HrdwrBoBogra: yeah I figured as much11:33
ograHrdwrBoB: you have to buy sony mem11:33
ferrishow do i find the specs within ubuntu?11:33
HrdwrBoBferris: free -m11:33
ograHrdwrBoB: which is about 3x expensive11:33
HrdwrBoBtells you your memory11:33
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HrdwrBoBogra: hooray! it's like buying a cheap sony camera only to realise you can only buy sony memory sticks11:34
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ograits not a trick ;)11:34
ferrisswap is 48911:34
ograferris: thats your prob then11:34
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ferristhe weird thing is that i ran Knoppix on disk, it ran fine11:35
ograferris: it will swap all the time, because main mem is missing....that makes everything slow11:35
ferristhen i installed it on the drive and it slowed down11:35
ferrisso i reinstalled ubuntu11:35
ferrisit is running slow11:35
ferrisdo i need to 'defrag'?11:35
ferrisdo you ever need to 'defrag' with linux?11:36
ograferris: wont help....11:36
ograferris: depends on the filesystem you use11:36
ograferris: on journalled ones you dont11:36
ferrisI installed it with the standard settings11:37
ferrisjust let it go11:37
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ograferris: you can use ubuntu with a smaller desktop, then it doesnt eat so much mem11:37
ferrishow do i do that?11:37
ograferris: the default is ext3 which is journalled.... so no need for defrag11:37
ferrisis that similar to ntfs?11:38
ograferris: install icewm or xfce4 through synaptic from ubuntus universe....then select one of them on login11:38
ograferris: better :) (but i'm bised here)11:38
ironwolfHrdwrBoB: did you mean unplug it from the computer and re-plug in the USB?11:39
Rohan128mb and gnome shouldnt be that sluggish11:39
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ograRohan: 256 are a requirement with gnome desktop11:40
ograRohan: else it will swap11:40
Rohanhmm.. shows what i know heh11:40
ferrisogra: which is best for a newbie to linux?11:40
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ograRohan: but this applys for the newer gnome .... with 2.0 128 was enough11:41
Rohanah ic11:41
ograferris: icewm looks a bit like win 9X ..... xfce is something like a small gnome.....11:42
Rohanif i were learning linux and i had to pick between icewm and xfce4.. i think i would go xfce411:42
ograferris: its easy to try them...if you dont like them, just uninstall through synaptic11:42
ograferris: if you want it _really_ fast but very spartan, you can use open/black/fluxbox11:44
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rodanyone got a fix?11:48
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housetierI'll have a fix for you in a few11:49
rodoh man, that would be great :D11:51
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etorixhmm .. where are my debs going .. is there a auto-clen running or os?11:57
qbeeketorix, locally your debs are in /var/cache/apt/archives/ if it was the question.11:58
Rohanhousetier: while you're at it... fix this too... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=805011:58
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rodlol Rohan11:59
etorixqbeek:  thats where id expect them to be .. there aint enough in there tho11:59
Rohanit's annoying to have to install ubuntu on my g4 through sarge11:59
rodNow we're at it; During install the network card on my asus k8n motherbord gets recognised well, with the forcedeth module, which is right. But when the computer reboots for the first time, the network card doesnt get detected anymore.12:01
rodJust a modprobe forcedeth aint enough12:01
Rohanheh i was gonna say just modprobe12:02
rodthe controller or so of the nforce3 motherboard doesnt get recognised anymore or so12:02
rodduring the install dhcp gets setup well though12:02
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RuffianSoldierwhat are some good console only programs that are in Universe?12:15
asachi, is it easy to build a custom livecd (e.g. with latex)? Any pointers how to start?12:16
stuNNedRuffianSoldier, mc file manager for one12:17
RuffianSoldierfo sho!12:17
RuffianSoldierof course12:17
stuNNedRuffianSoldier, but it is very powerful, be careful12:17
RuffianSoldierI know! I use it often12:17
RuffianSoldierwhat else?12:17
RuffianSoldierI have Bitchx12:17
stuNNedaumix, mpg32112:18
RuffianSoldierwhat are those?12:18
stuNNedmplayer w/framebuffer12:18
stuNNedaumix=mixer,mpg321=mp3 player,giFTcurs=p2p frontend12:18
RuffianSoldierhey - bbiab12:19
RuffianSoldiergetting food12:19
etorixtextmode browser12:19
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RuffianSoldieri already have 2 text browsers lol12:20
rodta best12:21
rodnot sure how it compares to mplayer12:21
rodin fb mode12:21
stuNNeddamn fb should be easier to setup12:22
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etorixhmm .. whats the nvidia-glx command12:25
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rodhousetier, do you need more details or so in fixing that bug I mentioned when I joined this room?12:28
stuNNedetorix, glxinfo ?12:29
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etorixhmm .. no theres a install or setup command12:30
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etorixfor the glx-package from ubuntu12:32
etorixfound it12:33
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stuNNedwhat is it? ;)12:34
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etorixsudo apt-get install nvidia-glx12:35
etorixsudo nvidia-glx-config enable12:35
etorixget nvidia-settings too .. its useful12:36
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djtanseydoes anyone here have experience with partitions? i am trying to install ubuntu on a previous debian install that is on a dual boot system. but i'm not getting the option to modify the current partition table. i can only erase the whole disk. running fdisk on the current system says The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 7294. parted, on the current and install, says Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk!12:46
djtanseyInformation: The operating system thinks the geometry on /dev/hda is12:46
djtansey116257/16/63.  Therefore, cylinder 1024 ends at 503.999M.12:46
djtansey any help?12:46
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evil-dnahello dudes12:46
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evil-dnai ordered my ubuntu discs12:46
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evil-dnabut i didnt receive a confirmation email yet :(12:47
evil-dnaany idea when they process the next batch?12:47
stuNNedevil-dna, taking a while here but think some of mine shipped, they are coming from .nl btw so probly be a while12:47
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evil-dnanice, im in france, it's pretty close :)12:48
xevildjtansey: have you tried installing in expert mode?12:48
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evil-dnaif they could ship some free pot with it it would rock 8)12:49
djtanseyxevil: yes. but i couldn't see any difference other then some module load warnings.12:49
stuNNedevil-dna, pot?12:49
evil-dnaweed :P12:49
xevildjtansey: I installed over a Debian installation and didn't have any problems...12:50
stuNNedevil-dna, i gave that stuff up a few years ago, like 5, heh12:50
djtanseyxevil: my guess is that my partition table is somehow unhappy. fdisk can read it in my current setup but parted can't. i think once i solve than then i'm set.12:51
evil-dnaja ne12:52
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xevildjtansey: the install allowed me to choose which partition I wanted to modify and select only that one that my previous Debian install resided... I didn't even touch my swap partition12:53
libertinehi all. does anyone know the default longin details for the mysql server?im trying to login through webmin, but i cant use root/root passwd.12:53
stuNNedlibertine, user mysql ?12:54
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djtanseyxevil: yup, but mine doesn't. it only gives me the option to erase the whole disk. even when i say manually edit. i can only assume it is because parted can't read it. the commant print in parted only says "Error: can't have partion outside the disk"12:55
libertinenope, i get: Login failed : Incorrect administration username or password12:55
libertineits weird. i had the same setup on my desktop, but root/root pwd works, im sure.12:55
stuNNedlibertine, i found a doc on google to reset root passwd for mysql12:55
xevildjtansey: bummer...12:55
libertinestuNNed, i'll have a look. but i've tried dpkg-reconfigure, too12:55
libertinesudo /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'password'12:58
libertinethat did it :) duh, google is my friend.12:58
stuNNedthere ya go :)12:58
stuNNedlibertine, what are you using mysql for may i ask? :)12:58
stuNNedgoogle is the shazizzle on the tip of the fizzle12:58
libertinei work in a skateboard shop, and i'm setting up an online webstore with mambo and mambo-phpshop. so i'm just getting used to playing with it all12:59
stuNNedhave studied oracle in school but proby need to read up on mysql01:00
libertineyeah, i've only done a few weeks on mysql at uni, last year. cant remember anything :)01:00
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libertinebut i've bought a few books last week. php+mysql, etc. gonna be writing something like urkut/myspace, next year when i get time.01:01
stuNNeddo you know if mysql can scale?01:02
libertinemight do it in mono/asp.net but someone reccomended java/tomcat. need to look into it all. interesting stuff though :) but dont tell anyone who shops at our skateshop that i'm a big geek01:02
libertineit's pretty popular for large systems, so i imagine it scales well01:03
libertinei've not looked into it in much detail yet though, tbh01:03
djtanseyi don't seem to have access to /dev/hda (my harddrive) even though dmesg shows it being recognized in the boot. why doesn't /dev/hda exist?01:04
libertinedjtansey, what are you trying to do?01:04
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djtanseylibertine: my ubuntu install (and parted in a shell) doesn't seem able to deal with my partitions. i am replacing debian with ubuntu on a dual-boot machine and i get Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk! Information: The operating system thinks the geometry on /dev/hda is 116257/16/63.  Therefore, cylinder 1024 ends at 503.999M. when i try to run parted, and when i say print it just spits out the error again. fdisk. however,01:07
djtansey seems happy to read it and to change the partitions though it warns The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 7294. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,and could in certain setups cause problems with:..01:07
rodis it possible to automaticly increase the NICE level of an app when the window is selected?01:07
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rodwould be cool01:08
stuNNedwhat do you mean window is selected?01:09
djtanseylibertine: any guesses?01:09
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libertinedjtansey, the only thing i can think of is the sizes of logical/primary partitions might be causing some trouble01:10
rodstuNNed, like... Im copying a huge file via a terminal while playing music in totem01:10
libertinei've never seen that error before, sorry.01:10
rodnot totem starts to stutter01:10
rodIf I would select totem, it gets a high priority so it stopts stuttering01:11
stuNNedrod, sure you can renice cp01:11
libertinerod, i dont think you can do it automatically. it'd be a metacity thing i think01:11
rodBut imagine working in openoffice for example under high load01:11
mjg59rod: You mean drop the nice level, and you can't without being root01:11
xevildjtansey: it's wonderful mapping new trails, huh? :)01:11
rodyeah, the metacity rooms were empty so I came here01:11
rodyeah, drop the nice level, which increases the priority01:12
mjg59You need to be root to drop it below 0, so it's not going to happen01:12
djtanseyxevil: :) -- it installed happily on my ibm x40. but i did the whole drive then anyway01:12
libertinei'm off to ikea folks :) stuNNed, thanks for telling me about that 'google' thing :)01:12
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stuNNedlibertine, that is np thank you for the info :)01:12
libertinethat google is a great idea, everyone should be told about it!01:13
rodhmmokay... It would have been a great thing if it was possible.. its a shame imho01:13
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xevildjtansey: how were those partitions created originally?01:14
rodAlways having a high priority in the app you are currently working in01:14
djtanseyxevil: it was a long time ago. probably windows primary install then resizing the vfat partition (though it's ntfs so maybe i did something else) then did debian.01:15
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miausXhi! :)01:16
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_kristin_hi there01:16
stuNNedwhere is there?01:17
_kristin_when trying to use hoary as according to the wiki page, i get a nice looking python 2.4 depencency bug01:17
stuNNed_kristin_, yes, you need to use dpkg to force install or latest or something01:17
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_kristin_hmm, i do? :/01:18
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frogbertanyone here got a winmodem to work with ubuntu>01:28
PizbitJust wondering how stable hoary is these days:)01:28
thotypousfrogbert, I haven't tryed but you should just download and compile the drivers01:29
thotypousand it should work01:29
telemac1hi people01:31
telemac1were is the source of ubuntu ?01:31
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stuNNedfrogbert, yes, with linuxant.com hsf drivers01:33
stuNNedfrogbert, and ubuntu 2.6.9 kernel01:33
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thotypoustelemac1, which part of ubuntu?01:35
telemac1thotypous: the x dectection changes in xserver01:35
thotypoustelemac1, ubuntu is a collection of a lot of different softwares... which one with their source01:36
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thotypoustelemac1, if it is really changed, it should be in the FTP01:36
thotypoustelemac1, or, better, in the CVS01:36
telemac1thotypous: cvs ?01:36
telemac1thotypous: which is the host of ubuntu cvs ?01:37
thotypoustelemac1, please wait01:37
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thotypoustelemac1, I was confused.. the CVS I was seen were the ubuntu backports CVS...01:40
_kristin_"python-pyxattr: Depends on: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is installed"01:42
_kristin_i get like 20 of these python-* blah blah01:42
_kristin_tried to force install of the python2.4_2.4-2ubuntu1_i386.deb package01:43
_kristin_no errors, but it still complains about the same thing...01:43
thotypoustelemac1, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UnifiedHardwareDetection01:43
thotypoustelemac1, ubuntu uses that software.. it don't have it's own detection code01:44
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thotypoustelemac1, the modifications should be only in some scripts that softwares use, but the scripts are itself their source01:44
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_kristin_any help would be greatly appriciated on this...01:45
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thotypous_kristin_, your really need python-pyxattr?01:45
_kristin_not really no, but my point was that all python extensions and applications that has any python dependencies fails01:46
_kristin_so upgrade/dist-upgrade fails as well01:46
_kristin_i think i saw some discussion on this issue on one of the mailing lists01:46
_kristin_but i cant seem to find the thread....01:47
thotypous_kristin_, try to update the apt package, if it fails, you should register a bug01:47
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thotypous_kristin_, if it isn't already registered..01:47
_kristin_i saw one recent python bug on bugzilla, but im not quite sure if its exactly the same... it was pretty anemic in terms of information01:48
thotypousso you can reply it and add more info01:49
_kristin_argh, im getting a ton of missing dependencies when trying to run hoary here01:50
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kayalihi there01:50
_kristin_all relating to this python thingie, and something which seems to be two seperate gimp-data and aptitude problems01:51
_kristin_ill post a bug i suppose01:51
AndyFitzhttp://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etiquette-icons.tar.gz   - if anyone is willing to test   http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette for more details01:51
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parentsanyone know how to set a nameserver in resolv.conf so it doesn't change? the one my dhcp server gives me sucks.02:08
Pozacparents, you can tell dhcpcd not to overwrite, just a sec02:09
sven-teki thought so too, but have not found any dhcpcd in ubuntu02:10
sven-tekdirty way would be to remove write righte from resolv.conf :-)02:10
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PozacIt seems to use dhclient02:11
Pozacthere's a /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf02:11
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Pozachmm.. in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script, there's a make_resolv_conf() function.. perhaps the contents of it could be commented out?02:13
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sdlfkjslhope someone can help me here02:15
sdlfkjsli have a couple of questions02:15
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Pozacprobably, ask away :)02:16
sdlfkjsli tried to install ubuntu on my notebook with vmware, but when installing the mainsystem it can't read the cd02:16
sdlfkjsli ordered the cd's, and downloaded the cd, but it's the same with both02:17
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sven-tekubuntu kernel seems to miss the drivers for the vmwares cdrom02:17
sdlfkjslhmm, but, it loads the cd and all, and tries to configure network settings02:18
sven-tekyout mean it starts up installs a lot and then, ubuntu says wait i restart into your new ubuntu.. and bang?02:19
sdlfkjslit starts install, but one step of the installation process is installing main system ( or something)02:20
sdlfkjsland then it's going to copy files and stuff, and then BANG02:20
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Pozacsven-tek, dhcpcd is in universe, and it seems to work ok :)02:22
Pozac.. at least for hoary02:22
sven-teksdlfkjsl, there is a point where it reboots and uses the installed kernel and not the kernel from the install-cd. is seems to break there.02:26
Pozacbut this is before02:26
sdlfkjslhmm ok, going to install it on my desktop then02:26
Pozacwhat kind of laptop is it, sdlfkjsl ?02:27
sdlfkjslfrom aldi :P02:27
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Pozacnice :)02:27
sdlfkjslbut, is ubuntu also a nice for web/ftp/mail server?02:28
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sdlfkjsli'm totally new to linux and at the moment i have a win2000 server for these things02:29
sdlfkjslbut, if this is working out nice i'm trying to put it all on linux,02:29
_kristin_submitting bugs isnt a walk in the park, thats for sure heh02:29
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_kristin_picky bugzilla... but thats a good thing i suppose...02:30
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Atlashow to configure WebDownloader for X2.5.0final in downloader by default with firefox please?02:31
sven-teksdlfkjsl, if it really breaks before - i cant help since i know ubuntu since yesterday too02:32
Atlassomeone can answer to me please?02:32
sdlfkjslsven-tek, thx, i'm going to try to install it on my desktop,02:33
sdlfkjslif that goes allright i will blame vmware ;P02:33
sven-teksdlfkjsl, good choice02:33
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sven-teki have never installed a linux in vmware over windows. i always did it the other way02:34
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sven-tekbut now the few apps i still need run with wine and i dont have vmware any more02:35
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sven-tekanybody here who _likes_ gnomes new behavior to open new windows for each folder you open? can someone explain how to use it, i cant see any good in this02:38
joh_I love it02:39
plasmosven-tek: i just turnit off :)02:40
joh_the thing is that it opens the window at the same location as it were the last time you opened it. So you can create your own little system of windows02:40
PozacI love it too02:40
joh_I find that very nice02:40
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ACIDnet_hey all02:41
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Pozachey ACIDnet02:41
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guru_hi does anybody get a centrino working?02:41
ACIDnet_i have a single dynamic IP and a domainname(with no-ip) pointing to my router02:41
ogahi..... can anybody recommend a bt client for linux?02:41
guru_oga: azureus02:41
plasmobittornado :x02:41
sven-tek_joh_, thats interesting. can u explain why?02:41
Pozacor bittornado02:42
ACIDnet_i want to be able to have two websites for each PC - my windows IIS (Coursework) and my Ubuntu WebServ (Different Coursework),  i want to access them via subdomains - any ideas how i can do it without changing port numbers02:42
ACIDnet_would be willing to buy a new router...02:42
Pozacsven-tek, it's another philosophy for dealing with files, that is easier on the human brain02:42
Pozacsven-tek, for sadly, our brains are not at all that good with hierachies.02:43
PozacACIDnet, you need another IP address then02:43
guru_or does anyone know a good tut because the ones up to know did not work02:43
ACIDnet_Pozac, :(02:44
ACIDnet_My ISP wont even give me a static....02:44
sven-tek_Pozac, i try to use it right now. but still i end up with dozends of open windows.02:44
plasmouse the middle mouse button02:44
PozacACIDnet, unless you can forward a folder to another machine in apache..02:44
cefhey does standard wine support OpenGL yet out of the box?02:45
Pozacsven-tek, maybe your homedir could use some reorganization?02:45
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Pozaccef, I should believe so, if the system does02:45
ctdACIDnet_: You could do a reverse-squid proxy.02:45
Pozacsven-tek, it works best for higher resolutions though02:46
cefPozac: hrm.. got a win app that needs OpenGL.. might give it a try *grin*02:46
Pozaccef, go ahead :)02:46
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ACIDnet_ok, i got zoneedit to forward a subdomain onto the main ip but with a different port02:48
ACIDnet_not a perfect solution but works02:48
PozacIt can, and should, be transparent from the outside tho02:48
sven-tek_Pozac, lol what is the high resolution for - i guess one need it for those hundreds of nautlius-instances02:48
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Pozacsven-tek, 800x600 is high enough for me tho02:49
neelsAny qt programmers around?02:49
Pozacsven-tek, You can just set to always use the browser.. in /apps/nautilus somewhere in gconf02:49
neelsMy qt app looks ghastly02:49
Pozacsven-tek, I also use my homedir as desktop.. and keep ~20 folders on my desktop, of which 5 have different backgrounds for easy distinguishing02:50
sven-tekPozac, i know that and always did it. But i try to understand the reasons so i can use it better perhaps.02:50
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deushi all02:50
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deuscould anyone help me plz02:51
PozacWe can try02:51
Pozacif you ask a question :)02:51
deusi search since ource a dokument where described a change from woody to warty02:51
deusi know i saw it times befor but my woodhad has forgotten where02:52
deusand today i search and search and cant find it02:52
sven-tekI HATE THOSE can i ask a question - questions02:52
sven-tekJUST ASK02:52
deuswelcome to ubuntu how friendly02:52
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deusi still asked :)02:52
neelsI need qt help anyone02:53
sven-tekWAIT not WHAT02:53
deusbad vibes today ?02:53
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Pozacneels, can't help you, sorry02:53
fabbionechill down02:53
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=== sven-tek okay, thats it from my side :-)
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deusiam chilled i only asked if someone know where i can find the dokumentation for switching a woody installation to ubuntu, all i have done ... :)02:54
Pozacdeus, Sometimes people forget how timid joining a channel can seem.. don't worry :)02:54
xevilisn't this the Psychic Friends Network? :)02:54
mercurusdeus: FAQ iirc02:54
stuNNedanyone having nvidia glx issues with unstable current?02:55
rolfzorstuNNed: yep02:55
deusPozac : no Problem, everyone has its bad day cause thats why we humans ;)02:55
cefstuNNed: yeah xorg issue.. there is a temp fix02:55
stuNNedcef, ah ok, what is it? :D02:56
stuNNedrolfzor, thanks02:56
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cefin /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions, make s symbolic link from libglx.so to libglx.a02:57
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stuNNedok, thanks02:58
cefnote that this should be removed when this problem is fixed02:58
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neelswhy does my qt application look like shit on ubuntu?02:58
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looksausis gst-python packaged in ubuntu main?02:59
stuNNedcef, do i need to reload nvidia module/restart x?02:59
looksausor just in universe02:59
cefstuNNed: yes03:00
cefstuNNed: just restart x03:00
deusnext question : is there anyone here with a Thinkpad 600e and Ubuntu on it, cause have a few questions to enable the sound chip ..03:00
neelsnark nark nark03:00
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sven-tekanybody here who has a good "howto make totem play mediafiles" or "howto install mplayer"03:05
rolfzorsven-tek: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:06
plasmo|sleepor http://ubuntuguide.org/ for all your howtos :)03:07
sven-tekok, thought one of you has a beloved one03:07
siretartsven-tek: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty03:09
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looksausthis is funny03:10
afonithas anyone added this repository  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main    and if so how do you get ubuto to recognize it as a legitimate source?03:10
looksausI updated my apt sources to include03:10
looksausbut it doesn't seem to find03:10
looksauseven though it is present: http://ftp.belnet.be/linux/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gst-python/03:11
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looksaussame with other packages03:11
bob2it's not in warty03:11
sven-teksiretart, i get this " The item you requested does not exist on this server or cannot be served."03:11
bob2but is in hoary03:12
bob2pool/ contains packages for all suites03:12
bob2afonit: you need to be way more specific about hte problem you're having03:12
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afonitbob2 I will reasearch a tad more, then be more specific03:12
siretartsven-tek: try again, I get the page03:12
cefwow.. ubuntu actually prompted me what to do when I put in this cd.. (it contains audio and data)03:13
sven-teksiretart, ok fixed it03:13
looksausbob2, how likely is it that I'll get errors when I pin gst-python from hoary?03:14
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bob2how much stuff does it Depend on?03:17
looksausyou mean from hoary?03:18
looksausprobably the entire gstreamer thing...03:18
looksausit's not really a problem if sound on this machine stops working...03:18
looksausit's just the rest of my system that I want to be stable...03:19
Caprianyone here with possibility to write to smbfs share with latest ubuntu warty package?03:23
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ogaany recommendations on movie player?03:24
oga(including wmv)03:24
Caprioga: I use totem-xine although I have to start it twice to see something03:25
ogait keeps saying - cannot open file - reason unknown03:26
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Caprioga: you need some propritary addons and the dlls from marillat's repository03:34
crimsunogra: there are a number of options: 'vlc', 'totem-xine', or 'mplayer'03:35
crimsunogra: err, sorry.03:36
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crimsunoga: there are a number of options: 'vlc', 'totem-xine', or 'mplayer'03:36
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cefPozac: re: wine and OpenGL.. the answer is: sort of03:41
stuNNedcef, is that nvidia prob an ubuntu xorg prob or xorg prob in general?03:42
slsi have a service that:03:42
slsdead but subsys locked03:42
cefubuntu xorg afaik03:42
slshow do i get rid of theh subsys so i can restart the service?03:43
crimsuncef: the brown paper bag issue?03:44
crimsuncef: the one fixed in 8?03:44
slsdoes anyone know anything about services?03:44
crimsunwhat service?03:44
slsits dead03:44
slsbut subsys locked...03:45
cefcrimsun: no, the one that isn't fixed in 803:45
crimsuncef: what are the symptoms?03:45
slsis there a socket file i can delete?03:45
cefcrimsun: bug 4818..03:45
crimsunah, I see.03:45
cefcrimsun: daniels & fabbione both know about it.. lib*.so loading doesn't search the path03:46
crimsuncef: correct.03:46
slscrimsun: i would rather no apply the windows solution and reboot03:46
ceferm what? the gnome bar (at the top) is unusable03:47
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crimsuncef: (it works here)03:49
cefhrm.. just upgraded.. might need to restart gnome.. annoying, since I now can't get to the log out option03:50
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FallenHitokiriwhen I try to shut down my system it reboots after saying: "acpi-power-off requested". how can I fix this that my system turns off?03:50
cefthis is wacked.. "I've detected a panel running, so I will exit now".. ho hum03:52
stuNNedcef, you must be running leet ultra-unstable ubuntu ;)03:53
cefstuNNed: heh03:53
zeedocef: thats a gnome panel message which happens if you start gnome without logging out properly before hand03:53
zeedoit starts gnome-panel by default and then starts the one from your previous session03:53
cefzeedo: well the panel at the top 'died' on me, so that explains why it came up03:54
cefof course now i have blank panels at the top/bottom of the screen03:54
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cefand ctrl-alt-backspace just dropped me to a command prompt03:55
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eimHow can I define a default OS to boot in grub after the timeout? Thanks.03:55
crimsuncef: I had that happen on the very first login to GNOME after I rebooted 2 days ago03:55
crimsuncef: I killed everything related to gnome and logged back in, and all was peachy03:56
slsseb128: do you live in Nancy France?03:56
cefcrimsun: I had it happen like that too.. but I started the machine today a few times.. only hapened again since I upgraded03:56
crimsunI suspect one only needs to kill certain gnome daemons03:57
cefnup, seems permanent here03:57
crimsunBut I took the hammer approach03:57
occycrimsun: tx again for your help yesterday evening.04:00
skaffeneim: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst ,look for the line that starts with "saved"04:00
eimskaffen: Thanks04:00
occycrimsun: occy.net (left sidebar)04:00
crimsunoccy: np :) No, I don't maintain a web page. Yes, I'm the same one on debianplanet.org et al.04:00
occycrimsun: haha04:00
occycrimsun: you read my mind..04:00
cefyup killing every gnome process manually then stopping and stareting gdm fixed it04:00
eimskaffen: Seems like I need "savedefault".04:01
occyCould the fact that I can use this one java web tool under MS Windows XP with IE6 and Firefox, but not under Linux be a fact that the java code is making calls to specific windows things?  I can play Yahoo java games just find under Firefox on Linux, but can't view that one websites application.04:02
cefcrimsun: that's just plain annoying.. *sigh*04:02
crimsunoccy: possibly. Does the jvm tell you which applet fails to init?04:03
crimsuncef: indeed.04:03
crimsuncef: seb128 probably has more insight.04:03
occycrimsun: hmmm, is there a console I can initiate or something to ascertain that?04:03
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crimsunoccy: sometimes the error is printed in the space on the web page where the applet should have loaded; sometimes it creates a log file in ~04:04
occyjava console04:04
skaffeneim: savedefault works if you set default to "saved"04:04
occyweb dev tool rocks04:04
crimsunoccy: yep, that works, too.04:04
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Rhodanhell thar04:04
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RhodanI installed warty and upgraded to hoary via synaptic, after rebooting a message comes up saying there is a xserver already running on this display04:05
Rhodanwhat do I do ?04:05
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crimsunRhodan: are you able to log into GNOME and use it?04:06
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Rhodanwell i guess not, this message comes up straight away04:07
occycrimsun: does that look bad?04:07
mdkeCan someone tell me how to change the default amount of time that the console waits before blacking out after inactivity?04:07
crimsunoccy: which jre/jdk are you using?04:07
occyI grabbed the blackdown version  (and tried to use the debian one from multiverse too04:07
crimsunoccy: hmm. 1.4.x?04:08
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occycrimsun: yah... sec04:08
crimsun`java -version'04:08
occyI wonder if I need to have a path set04:08
occyI simply have the symlink setup now.04:09
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crimsunoccy: for the moz-firefox plugin, just the symlink is sufficient04:09
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Rhodancrimsun: any idea's ?04:09
occyI type which java  and it's not found, but it's in /usr/local/bin/j2re1.4.2/04:09
crimsunRhodan: `X -version'04:09
occycrimsun: right, but if it needs some sort of local system java stuff, won't it need the path to be set?04:10
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occyI bet that's the problem.04:10
crimsunoccy: actually in that case, $CLASSPATH would need to be set04:10
Rhodancrimsun: what do you mean ?04:10
ib_Hi all04:10
occycrimsun: how can I do that. (man you are a busy guy)04:10
ib_The first time for my ubuntu installation04:10
crimsunoccy: prepending the $JAVA_HOME/bin path to your $PATH may help, too04:11
occyI wish I was worth a lot of money so I could afford to pay guys like you and ogra and bob2 for helping people on irc.04:11
ib_But i have a problem about the modem of Laptop Dell C840.04:11
crimsunRhodan: type that command in a terminal and say what version it reports04:11
occyif that VA stock only would have held up at $200+/share.  *sigh*04:11
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Rhodancrimsun: thats if I could get to the terminal as this blasted message is there, it won't let met ctrl + alt f2-f704:12
occyexport $PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin/j2re1.4.2/bin04:12
occywill that work?04:12
crimsunoccy: export PATH=/usr/local/bin/j2re1.4.2/bin:$PATH04:13
occyI can never remember that silly syntax04:13
crimsunib_: have you looked on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops ?04:14
crimsunRhodan: can you ctrl+alt+backspace ?04:15
Rhodantried that04:15
Rhodanstupid ass message just keeps coming back04:15
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PozacRhodan, have you tried about hitting ESC at boot and selecting the rescue option?04:17
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occystupid question #4325452452:  How can I set the resolution of GDM?  I had to change to 1024x768 for my gnome session, and now the GDM login screen is at 1400x1050 still... (and barely does show the login field)04:17
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Pozaceh. recovery mode, that is :)04:17
RhodanPozac: i can try that, what do I do if that works04:17
Pozacoccy, I think you may have to set the 1024x768 option first in your list of resolutions in your x config04:18
cugaHeya, I am using accelerated video drivers (which replaced the libgl), now i can't apt-get anything cause it keeps trying to put libgl back, how can i tell it too ignore taht so i can apt stuff again?04:18
occyPozac: okies04:18
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crimsunoccy: usually I edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and do what Pozac said.04:18
khadAnyone know why gxine would play encrypted DVDs but totem-xine will only play non-encryoted DVDs? THey use the same backend (libxine) right?04:18
occyahh ok04:18
crimsunoccy: then `sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart'04:18
PozacRhodan, I'm not sure - are you sitting at the computer you're fixing?04:20
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RhodanPozac: yes, in XP at the mo, so i'll have to reboot in Ubuntu04:21
PozacRhodan, if it complains that there's already a server running, one must be - perhaps on vty8?04:22
Pozacor have you installed Xvnc or something?04:22
RhodanPozac: I installed warty, amended souces.list to hoary, and upgraded to hoary, thats all I did04:23
Rhodanrebooted, and now this message04:23
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khadNobody knows anything about totem-xine vs. gxine? ....04:24
crimsunkhad: dpkg -l libdvdcss2 |grep ^ii04:25
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khadii  libdvdcss2     1.2.8-sarge0.0 Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtime04:26
bob2haha, USN for nasm04:26
khadcrimsun, I have libdvdcss2 installed and it works fine when I use gxine, I just can't figure out why totem-xine doesn't want to acknowledge it.04:27
AndyFitzkhad:  I have your same problem04:28
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AndyFitzactually sorry only with some video files.  I can play dvd's fine04:28
mojoale ale04:28
khadAndyFitz, I just can't figure out why two frontends using the same library have different playback issues04:28
mojoI just pack a new Debian RealPlayer 10 with MPEG4 support, who needs, pls raise hand!04:28
crimsunoccy: got the gdm straightened out?04:28
PozacRhodan, the best advice I can give you is learn how to ubuntu/debian /etc/rcX.d works and figure out why X gets started twice using recovery mode.04:29
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RhodanPozac: ok, thanks anyway04:31
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occycrimsun: :/04:40
occycrimsun: can't seem to keep 1024x768 in 24bpp but 1400x1050 does04:40
occyquite odd04:40
crimsunoccy: in Section "Screen" of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, did you modify the Modes line in Depth 24?04:41
occychanged it to be 1024x76804:41
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occythe 24bit depth one which is default depth04:41
crimsunoccy: and you have a "DefaultDepth 24"?04:41
mojoTomcat: just Debian package of RealPlayer 10 + MPEG4 plugin04:41
occyeither that, or the image that is selected for 1024x768 is poorly gradiated.04:42
crimsunoccy: what's the Modes line?04:42
occymodeline pattern not found04:43
occyDepth 24  Modes "1024x768"04:44
occyguess I could do:  1024x768,1400x1050"04:44
Tomcat_mojo: I myself don't need it... but I asked a friend. I might come up to you again.04:44
crimsunoccy: can you alter that to: Modes "1024x768" "1400x1050"04:44
occyahh ok04:44
occywish there was a way to tell GDM to stay fixed at a certain resolution.04:46
occyit changes depending on what resolution I change to as my user.04:46
occyunder multiple users, that can be problematic04:46
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occybe back soon, gotta do some Christmas stuff.04:49
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Blackwellhi :)04:51
PozacBlackwell :)04:52
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etorixok i feel better05:07
etorix  i got gkrellm + gkrellm-common from my debian-amd64 local archive .. lol05:08
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Capriare there any other 2.6 kernels (next to available?05:11
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etorixmy hoary hedgehog has a 2.6.905:12
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etorixdunno if i can recommend it tho ..05:12
etorixive only bin using ubuntu for a dat or so05:13
etorixwhat shows in synaptic?05:14
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CapriI have the possibility between two
Capria -3 and a -4 from security-warty05:16
CapriWith both I can not write to samba shares which is a known bug in the vanilla kernel tree05:17
cenerentolaciao, is there any kind of bootable cd that i could use for disk partitioning?05:17
etorixi didnt enjoy any of the 2.6.8 series05:17
Capriin the preview state of warty there was a 2.6.7. Does anyone know if I still can find it anywhere?05:17
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Caprietorix: do u know if samba write on share works with the hoary 2.6.9?05:18
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etorixno clue05:18
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Mabusgreetings! Ever since the Xorg improvements landed in hoary, I've been getting consistent onstartup crashes in gnome-applets. Does anyone know what's wrong or where I can find any log output ?05:22
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Mabusdaniels: ping ? Do you know?05:22
etorixvar/log usually has the logpile .. and xsession-errors in $home05:23
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Mabushmm, no files called anything with "session" in home05:24
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Gwildor|Workllok in var/log?05:26
Mabus"panel" isn05:26
etorixits un-visible05:26
Mabus"panel" isn't mentioned in /var/log05:26
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Gwildor|Workxsession-errors in var/log05:26
Mabusdoesn't exist05:26
MabusI've installed the gnome-panel-dbg package, if that helps in any way05:27
Mabusthanks etorix05:28
Mabus(in home)05:28
Gwildor|Workglad you found it :).........sorry05:29
Mabusthanks for trying :)05:29
Mabusbut because we found the file doesn't mean I know what's wrong :)05:29
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Gwildor|Workim afraid of X settings........05:30
Mabushmm, I don't think it logs to xsession-errors05:31
etorix(II) LoadModule: "glx"05:31
etorix(WW) Warning, couldn't open module glx05:31
etorix(II) UnloadModule: "glx"05:31
etorix(EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)05:31
Mabusso nobody else has the same problem ?05:32
etorixi use xfce4 x64-bit05:32
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Mabusdoes anyone know how I can prevent gnome-panel to autostart ?05:41
Mabusif so, I can start it from a terminal and watch the output05:42
Mabusmight tell me something05:42
Mabusor can I "listen" to stderr somehow ?05:42
seb128the output is in ~/.xsession-errors05:42
seb128you can also killall gnome-panel like 10 times in a row05:42
seb128it'll stop to respaw05:43
seb128or remove it from the session05:43
Mabusah, there it stopped05:44
Mabusthat was more like 20 :)05:44
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Mabusbah! no output, nothing in xsession-errors, and didn't work.05:45
Mabustried with --g-fatal-warnings as well05:45
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seb128Mabus: what doesn't work ?05:47
Mabusseb128: gnome-panel in hoart05:47
seb128"what" = details05:47
Mabusit crashes on start05:47
seb128doesn't work can be a billions of stuff05:47
Mabusyeah :)05:48
seb128get a backtrace ?05:48
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MabusI've tried looking in /var/log, .xsession-errors, stdout and stderr, and haven't found anything05:48
anirhow will i install tv card on ubuntu??05:48
Mabusseb128: find . -type f | xargs cat | grep panel in /var/log gives nothing.05:48
seb128Mabus: apt-get install bug-buddy05:48
seb128you get a window on the crash to send a bug upstream05:49
seb128in the details of this window there is a backtrace05:49
Mabusseb128: aargh! I thought I had that package already :D05:49
seb128you should05:49
MabusI didn't understand why I didn't get the bug-buddy window05:49
MabusI've always gotten that before05:49
MabusI think it was removed some time ago due to some packages not being upgraded simultaneously05:50
anirhey guys05:50
Mabus(or however that's spelled)05:50
anirhi to all05:50
twisted_steelhello anir05:51
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anirhi twisted_steel05:52
anirtwisted_steel: can u tell me how can i wantch tv using xawtv?05:52
twisted_steelanir: unfortunately I have no experience with watching tv on a computer05:53
anircan anyone help me please?05:54
Mabuserm.. can anyone please write an AT-sign so I can copy it ?05:56
bur[n] er_@05:56
qbeekin my search of a well gnome code editor, I found Moleskine (http://sourceforge.net/projects/moleskine/). Does anyone know if it is an interesting project?05:57
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bur[n] er_never used it qbeek05:59
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bur[n] er_i use bluefish usually06:00
Mabusseb128: I submitted a bugreport now.06:00
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Mabusseb128: however, since I used bug-buddy, I don't know the #id06:00
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anirguys can u help me plz06:02
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bur[n] er_anir: you can do it ;)06:02
anirbur[n] er_: i have install xawtv.. but there is no signal.. what do i do?06:03
bur[n] er_do you have support for your tv card?06:04
anirbur[n] er_: how do i check if its properly installed or not??06:04
bur[n] er_uhh... what driver are you using, what card?06:04
bur[n] er_ugh... better yet, just google... i gotta go to work :\  sorry06:04
noamsmlexcuse me, I have recently upgraded to hoary and I have noticed that I can't change the gnome applications menu anymore, is there anything I can do to change that?06:06
Mojo_Jojonoamsml, what happens when you "nautilus application:///Internet" or what ever you want to edit06:08
anirany one here to help me???06:09
Mabusanir: tried mythtv ?06:09
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anirmabus: how will i install the driver?06:10
MabusI have no idea06:11
Mabustried Video4Linux ?06:11
anirmabus: where will i get it?06:13
Mabusheh :)06:13
Mabusanir: you need to enable v4l in the kernel06:13
MabusI think06:13
anirmabus: thank you :)06:14
etorixbicyclerepair ??06:15
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eimAnyone has installed Ubuntu on an Intel Serial ATA system (RAID)?06:15
anirwhat is the command to join other rooms??06:16
Mabushmm, it looks like the crash is related to the recent file list06:16
Mabusseb128, etorix: know how to clear it ?06:17
etorixno .. but the install cd sees my SATA hd ok06:17
etorixrecent file list?06:17
etorixa dist-upgrade?06:17
joviananir "/join #room"06:18
Mabusno, the recently opened/viewed file list in the menu06:18
eimetorix: The installer does not see the configure SATA RAID but only the singled Hard Disks.06:18
etorixah recently opened files06:18
anirmobus: how can enable v4l..what is the command??06:18
Mabusanir: make-kpkg kernel_image && cd .. && dpkg -i kernel-package-XX-XX.deb06:19
Mabusor similar06:19
Mabusanir: basically, you need to compile the kernel06:19
etorixmabus .. that menu is prolly a xml file06:19
Mabusetorix: hmm, perhaps..06:19
MabusI couldn't find it in .gnome206:19
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etorixlook in etc/x11/gdm or so ..06:20
anirmobus: i am not atall comfortable with kernel..:) i am new to use it.. still trying06:20
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etorixive seen one in passing like ..06:20
sjoerdMabus: doesn't the ubuntu kernel support v4l stuff ?06:20
Mabussjoerd: ah, good point. It might do that.06:20
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MabusI dist-upgraded from debian sid to hoary :)06:21
Mabusanir: sjoerd's right, it probably supports v4l already.06:21
etorixim on a generic ubuntu .. aint got round to a k8 yet06:21
etorix but i will06:21
Mabusanir: I'm quite sure there are websites that specialize in TV/Video on linux.06:22
Mabusanir: it's probably alot easier to ask them.06:22
sjoerdanir: do you have an /sys/class/video4linux dir?06:22
anirmobus: i am searching it..06:22
aniranyways that you very much guys..06:23
Mabusanir: searching google for "video on linux" gave that as the first hit.06:24
anir"/join #ubuntu-offtopic"06:24
jovianwithout the quotes anir06:24
anir*thank you06:24
Mabussjoerd: do you know where the recently opened files list is stored ?06:24
Mabus(for gnome-panel menu)06:24
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sjoerdMabus: ~/.recently-used06:25
anirsjoerd..let me check it out.. can u tell me how?06:25
Mabusoh god06:25
Mabussjoerd: thanks alot06:25
Mabusnow gnome-panel actually works dandy06:25
kergani harve a prob witht he weather applet06:26
sjoerdanir: open a terminal and do "ls /sys/class/video4linux"06:26
Mojo_Jojokergan, what problems are you having wiht the weater applet?06:27
anirsjoerd: its giving output  vbi0 video006:27
kerganthis is a good one ok i can put it on the panel06:27
sjoerdanir: then your driver is loaded correctly06:27
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kerganas soon as i slect my location it crashes06:28
kerganthen i click close and gnome freazes06:28
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anirsjoerd?: so what should i do next?06:28
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sjoerdanir: zapping is much nicer to watch television then xawtv imho06:28
martin_hi everyone06:28
kerganif i slect and other location it works like a dream06:28
xskoulax|sleephi martin06:30
sjoerdanir: install zapping (it's in universe), do edit->channels and tune your device to some nice channel :)06:30
anirsjoerd:zapping.. i will install it..the command should be " sudo apt-get install zapping" right?06:30
sjoerdanir: that should work06:31
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martin_xskoulax|sleep, i found a great site to learn linux commands http://www.tldp.org/06:32
anirsjoerd: zapping is not on my list.. though my universe is enabled06:32
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anirsjoerd: lol i got into a helping site and i got more confused...lol06:34
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joviananir i have zapping in universe06:35
karimhow are the X credential given when you do a su ?06:35
joviandouble check to make sure universe is enabled06:35
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|QuaD-karim: eh?06:36
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xskoulaxyea martin_ that site is good06:37
xskoulaxhow you liking ubuntu so far?06:37
karim|QuaD-, when you su, you can run a X application from the sued user06:38
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|QuaD-is that anir i see in here?06:40
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|QuaD-i have the 20GB one06:42
anirhow are you blackwell06:42
|QuaD-its nice06:42
Se7hone thing06:42
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Se7his ubuntu ready to use usb2.0 ?06:42
|QuaD-Se7h: i believe it can.... debian sid does...06:43
|QuaD-hey atlas, sup06:43
Atlassomeone has seti@home ?06:43
anirhey quad how are you06:43
|QuaD-anir: just fine, and you? i thouhgt you are done with linux06:44
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|QuaD-Atlas: i used to.... a few months back, what do you need?06:44
TycheHello there.06:44
AtlasI search help to configure applets for gnome206:44
TycheI was wondering. I installed Rhythmbox and gstreamer-mad and still not playing MP3's any suggestions?06:44
|QuaD-Atlas: sorry it was back in my kde days, but maybe i can still help?06:45
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sjoerdanir: it should be there, you sure your got your universe lines06:45
anirquad: i love linux.. i was a bit frustrated  yesterday.. sorry about that..06:45
anirsjoerd: i am installing zapping06:46
|QuaD-Tyche: i prefer using totem-xine and xmms, i reccomend against gstreamer and would recommend xine (and some UI)06:46
Se7h|QuaD- well, i supose so06:46
Se7hbut im not geting the full transfer speed from usb2 i should get06:46
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anirsjoerd: i got it.. installing06:47
arctickid recomend using rythembox rather than xmms06:47
arctickxmms is overrated06:47
|QuaD-arctick: thats why there are multiple options :)06:47
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arctickindeed, choice is the best thing about linux06:48
Mojo_Jojorythembox is cool :)06:48
arctickjust thought while we were expressing personal opinions i would jump on the bandwagon06:48
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|QuaD-arctick: i tried it back in its early days, didn't work so well, so i just stuck to xmms06:48
arcticki cant wait until rythembox has cdburning support06:49
mojo_quad: u know of a playlist plugin for xmms?06:49
|QuaD-mojo_: playlist plugin? doesn't it come wiht a playlist?06:49
arcticki have yet to burn one audiocd in linux06:50
mojo_sry, i mean, um, medai organizer type thing...06:50
|QuaD-mojo_: sorry06:50
mojo_media library / organizer plugin06:50
Mojo_Jojocan someone tell me why linux doesnt need to be defraged :_06:52
mojo_winamp, the win derivative of amp and xamp (pre-xmms) has a media lib feature my brother uses.  i was wondering if there was something like it.06:52
anirsjoerd: how do i sacn the channels?06:53
|QuaD-Mojo_Jojo: it is a different type of file system, journaled systems don't need to be defragged cuz they look at the journals06:53
mojo_i tried rhythmbox but haven't played w/it long enough to get it set up for all media types yet06:53
TycheQuad: Do I need to add something special to Xine for it to work? Not working in that either with W32codecs06:53
kerganMojo_Jojo,  easy the file system is jurneled06:53
sjoerdanir: edit -> channels06:53
|QuaD-Mojo: isn't xmms a copy of winamp?06:53
kergan|QuaD-,  no06:53
|QuaD-Tyche: apt-get remove  totem06:53
|QuaD-Tyche: apt-get install totem-xine06:53
Mojo_Jojohow does a journaled filesystem work, I want to try to explain why linux doesnt need a defrag.06:54
mojo_quad/mjjj - journalized fs doesn't imply non-fragmenting to me.  just implies a transaction log for recovery06:54
anirsjoerd: sad thing is that i cant find any edit button06:55
mojo_quad: xmms is derived from xamp, derived from amp.  winamp is derived from amp.  think of it as a fork that crosses over platforms.06:55
|QuaD-mojo_: that was how it was explained to me, i don't know much about filesystems06:55
|QuaD-mojo_: ohh06:55
kerganMojo_Jojo,  it looks at the journel before looking for the file06:55
bur[n] er_Mojo_Jojo: it's not journaling that does that06:55
sjoerdanir: in the menubar of zapping ?06:55
bur[n] er_u don't have to defrag ext2 either... that's not journaled06:56
anirsjoerd: nope06:56
sjoerdanir: can you describe what the zapping window looks like for you then06:56
kerganMojo_Jojo, linux also put the file back on the hdd in one peice (unlike windows a part of it at a time06:56
sjoerdanir: oh and which language your using ;)06:56
mojo_q/mjjj: journal, to my understanding, is a lot like a transactional database.... keeps track of changes to files in a log/journal so you can roll back on failure, re-trace steps06:56
Mojo_Jojook, so there is a journal (text file?) that it looks for and it lists where verything is?06:57
|QuaD-mojo_: no... it also keeps track of locations and whatnot06:57
mojo_mjjj - i don't know that it works quite like tht.  i can prolly google up a good expla. for ya... brb...06:57
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anirsjoerd: i am from india but the india is not mentioned here..???how can i get the channels of india?06:57
Mojo_Jojomojo_ thanks i'm really interested in this :)06:57
sjoerdanir: which version of zapping is that ? (help -> about)06:58
anirsjoerd: zapping 0.6.806:58
sjoerdah, hrm, i've got 0.8 and that shows indea in the regions dropdown06:59
sjoerdalthough if you know your frequencies you can just use another region that comes close to them06:59
anirsjoerd: how can i get 0.806:59
mojo_journalized - here's a good start... http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/aix/products/aixos/whitepapers/jfs_vfs.html07:00
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Mojo_Jojothanks mojo_ :)07:00
|QuaD-mojo_: can you give us a quick sommary, no time to read it... .but would be interested in knowingg07:01
CredHello. What is the password for network configuration?07:01
kerganyour sudo password Cred07:01
CredIt doesn't accept it07:01
sjoerdanir: as said you don't need to if you know your frequencies..07:01
kergantry your own password for you user account07:01
CredHuh? It's the same07:02
anirsjoerd: i have no idea about the frequencies07:02
sjoerdanir: then pick a random region and start trying :)07:02
kerganCred, pey07:02
kerganCred, yep07:02
anirsjoerd: k07:03
Credkergan, so..? :)07:03
mojo_quad: in a regular file system, changes are made to the file directly.  new data replaces.  jfs if you change part of a file, it writes the 'transaction' to a log built into the filesys.  sort of like a database with transaction support.  so as you update a file, it keeps the history as it goes until update complete.  that way if there is a failure during an update, it can 'roll back' the changes to recover the file to its previous state07:03
kerganCred,  it sound work07:03
kerganCred,  it should work07:03
CredIt doesn't07:03
kerganhmmm cant help you07:03
mojo_mjjj: np07:03
Mojo_Jojothanks for typing that mojo_07:04
mojo_yeah i type fast ;)07:04
mojo_if you do some googling you'll get a better handle on it07:04
Mojo_JojoI'll google later i'm in school right now, I was wondering how a linux fs works, because my teacher is talking baout windows fs.07:05
Mojo_Jojofs are kinda interesting :D07:05
mojo_why you don't have to defrag a linux fs though i don't know.  i can only guess that the filesystems are more intelligent and dynamically do self-maintenance as they go07:06
anirsjoerd: i cant find the scan button..07:06
mojo_it makes sense... i mean it's not too far from the idea of garbage collection in memory management07:06
mojo_'cept that it would be moving chunks around07:07
kerganMojo_Jojo, just rember linux file systems are far sepir07:07
mojo_he he07:07
Mojo_Jojoyeah i guess07:07
Blackwellyeah, automagically any linux filesystem is superior to anything else.07:07
sjoerdMojo_Jojo: the principles are mostly the same07:07
Blackwellthat is why companies port their filesystems to linux :>07:07
Mojo_Jojoif windows NTFS also has permissions how can linux much more secure? if it also has perissions?07:08
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BlackwellMojo_Jojo: eh?07:08
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mojo_wow mjjj - ahem - security goes further than access control lists and such on files07:08
kerganlike sharing preissions???07:08
anirwht is the speciality of ext3 fs?07:09
djuussbought a new harddisk07:09
Blackwellanir: i could google, but...07:09
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Mojo_Jojohihihi i need to learn how to explain myself better haha07:09
djuusswhat do i put on it (exept for hoary?)07:09
Mojo_Jojoi;m learning security so this is all new to me07:09
anirblackwell: but...???07:09
Atlassomeone can say me if a gnome applet for folding@home exist?07:09
Blackwelldjuuss: tons of erotic pictures.07:09
Blackwellanir: i am too lazy.07:09
mojo_linux gets a lot of its security fromt the way the os manages processes and permissions within the context of running programs and access to computer resources, not just file system security07:09
Blackwellthat may sound familiar...:] 07:10
anirblackwell: lol..07:10
djuussBlackwell: already got that covered07:10
kerganBlackwell,  better tons of pr0n07:10
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djuusshow about a distro?07:10
Blackwellkergan: i didn't want to be that...straightforward. :)07:10
djuussand not hoary07:10
Blackwelldjuuss: yeah, put lots of distros on it.07:10
Blackwellcollecting distros is fun.07:10
djuusswhich ones?07:10
Blackwellcomputers are boring when they simply work.07:10
Blackwelldjuuss: all of them07:10
djuusssome recent released ones07:10
Mojo_Jojomojo_ so don't windows and linux work the sameway?07:10
Blackwellthat way you will escape boredom successfully.07:11
djuussdont ever say that07:11
kerganMojo_Jojo,  no07:11
aniri agree with u blackwell07:11
Mojo_Jojocare to explain?07:11
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djuussfirst of all: don't say "windows" and "works" in the same sentence07:11
Mojo_Jojook i'll remember that07:11
Blackwelldjuuss: my windows xp works just fine. :)07:11
kerganlinux = better memory manger win = memory hog07:11
djuussexept in the sentence "microsoft works doesn't work"07:11
Blackwellruns linux fine inside vmware, too.07:11
mojo_all posturing and snobbery aside, there are diffs in the designs of the os's07:12
djuussBlackwell, maybe, but it still spies on you ;)07:12
Atlassomeone can say me if a gnome applet for folding@home exist?07:12
|QuaD-Blackwell: i want vmware, to cheap to pay for a license though07:12
Blackwellkergan: give linux some functional equivalent gui and see the ram being eaten windows-style :)07:12
anirso wats the panel decided..?? xmss or rythembox?07:12
kerganAtlas,  thare ant one07:12
mojo_but i am not sure i could give you a succinct answer cuz i am not all brushed up on that for ya07:12
djuussAtlas: apt-cache search gnome applet07:12
djuussinstall all of 'm07:12
Blackwell|QuaD-: i have come to love it at the job. "oops, wrong step - roll back to snapshot state"07:12
djuussthe big bag of goodies07:12
|QuaD-Blackwell: lol07:13
kerganBlackwell,  but if a program crashes it dont take the whole os down like win07:13
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|QuaD-Blackwell: i need a job that will pay for vmware07:13
kerganlinux= moduler07:13
Blackwell|QuaD-: since i don't need to live with linux, vmware is excellent to make use of linux anyway, without the more heavy task of "properly" installing it and getting just everything possible to work with it.07:13
kerganthe left hand dont know why the right hand crashed07:13
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mojo_windows nt, 2000, and stuff from that gene pool is a lot more secure than the windows, windows 95, windows me/you/all your base are belong to us strain07:13
Blackwelllike the poor sobs in here...:)07:13
Blackwellmp3 players, codecs, dvd, cd-r writing, etc.07:13
djuussmojo_ true07:13
Blackwellall non issues, i can simply enjoy it without fumbling. ;)07:14
djuussbut they're secure for *inbound* connections. Especially XP phones home like ET on steroids07:14
Blackwellkergan: if a windows program crashes, that program crashes.07:14
|QuaD-Blackwell: i just want to run the occasional windows program to test it out07:14
mojo_nt, or 'new technology', was actually a full-on new os design.  windows and such before that was really a bunch of stuff 'stuck' on top of dos that grew like a polyp that eventuallyu wanted to fall off and walk on its own07:14
Blackwellif you still think otherwise, consider to update your outdated information. it doesn't hurt, regardless of which side of the fence(s) you are standing.07:15
djuussrating: 5 (insightful)07:15
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Blackwell|QuaD-: i tried to install vmware on mandrake once...too much fumbling. the windows install on the other hand was a matter of minutes and didn't even require a reboot.07:15
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Blackwell|QuaD-: i wanted vmware on that esp. for that purpose, too. ;)07:16
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Blackwellof course someone should shout "Wine" now.07:16
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drspinI've used vmware in gentoo and suse and have had no troubles07:16
anirwhat command i should use to check if my tv card is installed properly or not??07:16
|QuaD-Blackwell: so are you running windows on linux or linux on windows?07:16
Blackwelldrspin: then you have mastered the art of kernel recompiles and such successfully. i had a few days of fumbling with getting the matching kernel sources to the installed kernel already...07:16
djuusswine or cygwin07:17
|QuaD-cygwin? why would someone wnat that?07:17
djuussif your running XChat on windows?07:17
Blackwell|QuaD-: i recently installed linux inside a vmware box, hosted on windows. for trying, wet my feet, etc. windows does the media stuff fine for me, so i don't need to bother getting that to work in the linux installation.07:17
djuussomg.. just when i'm trying to figure out what distro's to get, distrowatch is down07:18
Blackwellcygwin? die hard unix hardcore people need it to feel more complete when being forced at gun point to use windows.07:18
mojo_speaking of kernels, i just installed this ubuntu last night.  it put a generic x86-64 kernel on here.  how do i switch it to the amd64 kernel?  i 'installed' it with synaptic but it still boots to the x86_64 kernel... ???07:18
|QuaD-Blackwell: why not just install ubuntu and get rid of windows07:18
Blackwellor so they say...they will still complain about lack of "full" regex support in those commandline tools...07:18
djuusswoops.. thought distrowatch was a .org07:18
mojo_distrowatch is back up07:18
mojo_at least it works for me...07:19
drspinI'm getting ready to try out ubuntu and if I like it I'll install it today...07:19
Mojo_Jojoanother Q whats the differance between *BSD and Linux?07:19
mojo_drspin - yeah, i just got this installed yesterday07:19
djuussyeah i tried distrowatch.org07:19
Blackwell|QuaD-: because i am very comfortable with windows and because i don't want to go through the pains that some of the people in here are going through. i am not forced to concern myself with how to get media stuff going on linux that way, and a million other small things.07:19
|QuaD-Mojo_Jojo: whats the difference between an apple and an orange?07:19
djuussmojo_: but all they have is livecd's anyhow07:19
Blackwell|QuaD-: besides - i am not yet fed up with half-life 2.07:19
|QuaD-Blackwell: thats never a concern :)07:19
drspinis linux able to read/write NTFS reliably yet?07:20
|QuaD-Blackwell: thats the reason07:20
Mojo_Jojo|QuaD that much of a diferance huh..i guess i'll google around later07:20
Blackwell|QuaD-: ...i have been in this channel for too long to fall for that "no problems with anything on linux" sermon :)07:20
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|QuaD-Mojo_Jojo: 2 different OS's07:20
Blackwelli have been playing with linux for too long for that, too. ;)07:20
Mojo_Jojoithought they were both like unix07:20
|QuaD-Blackwell: if you know what you are doing... there are rarely problems07:20
spikebany clue where to find a jre+plugin on ppc that WORKS?07:21
|QuaD-Mojo_Jojo: both are unix clones07:21
Blackwell|QuaD-: yes, exactly like in windows.07:21
xevildrspin: as far as I know NTFS can be read but not written to in linux07:21
|QuaD-Blackwell: yup07:21
Mojo_Jojo|QuaD ah ok07:21
mojo_mjjj: bsd is derived from the 'berkely standard distribution'.  back when tv's used tubes and phones had cords, at&t bell labs worked with berkely university on unix development07:21
spikebit can be written07:21
spikebjust dont depend on it not trashing everything07:21
Blackwellxevil: can be written with that "lifted and jailed" ntfs driver thing.07:21
djuussxevil: thats bs07:21
mojo_the univ released it's own distribution.  berkely is where much of the current networking and security in unix/linux, and much development on internet protocols took place07:22
drspinxevil: I know that's how it used to be... shame I have a 50GB partition filled with music that I won't be able to modify :/07:22
djuussxevil: it writes it blindfolded07:22
convertorMojo_, berkley system development....07:22
xevilhe did say reliably...07:22
Mojo_Jojomojo_ ok :)07:22
mojo_bsd is a gen-u-ine unix derivative, variant, flavor, whatever07:22
Blackwelldrspin: irc lesson: don't rely on information on irc.07:22
mojo_linux was based on a small os called minix, which i think that unix was actually modelled on in some ways.  i am not so sure on my 'lore' there...07:22
Blackwelldrspin: if you google, you will stumble over that project which incorporates the original ntfs driver file(s) to access ntfs filesystems with read/write access.07:23
|QuaD-mojo_: WRONG07:23
FITHEh?  no, Linux was born because Linus disagreed with the author of Minix..  Andrew Taunenbaum07:23
Blackwellmojo_: better update :)07:23
djuussyeah you rolled a low skillcheck 1d6 there07:23
drspinblackwell: I know -- I ask to get more than one reponse so I'll be better equipped for research07:23
BlackwellFITH: because?07:23
mojo_but anyway, linux was an os project written by linux torvalds inspired by minix, a unix-like OS.  the kernel is the core of the os.  it was so unix-like in structure that it was largely compatible07:23
|QuaD-linux and BSD are unix CLONES.... linux was built of minix, unix and minix had little or nothing to do wiht eachother07:23
drspinblackwell: thanks07:23
|QuaD-FITH: WRONG07:24
FITHLinus didn't think that a microkernel was the right design07:24
|QuaD-FITH: wrong again07:24
FITHfor a unix to be built from, etc07:24
zenwhenwell linus was using minix when he wrote Linux07:24
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BlackwellFITH: so in order to do better he wrote his own?07:24
|QuaD-zenwhen: wrong07:24
|QuaD-Minix was used as a teaching os07:24
|QuaD-never meant to be a primary os07:24
KamionLinus wrote Linux 'cos he felt like writing an operating system. The disagreement with Tanenbaum was incidental.07:24
FITHBlackwell: Yeah, the archives of their conversations at the time are around07:24
mojo_besides that, most of the 'commands' and such in linux are a suite of programs and utilities that run on top of the os.  much of them come from the gnu project, which stands for GNU's Not Unix.  A recursive acronym (a common geek humor thing).07:24
Blackwellastonishing what changes information goes through, once it is in someones head.07:24
|QuaD-the ideas behind it were used to build linux, but it wasn't based of minix07:24
|QuaD-Kamion: exactly :)07:25
mojo_the GNU project aimed to write a free 'clone' of all the unix utilities and eventually the whole operating system.07:25
BlackwellFITH: you said linus developed linux BECAUSE of a disagreement. that is something i have never heard before.07:25
djuussthere was UNIX but it was wayexpen$ive so they created minix. Linux felt that minix $ucked a$$, and built linux07:25
djuussthe first linux is Linus :P07:25
|QuaD-Linus and tanenbaum disagreed but NEVER was that the reason for linux07:25
|QuaD-djuuss: minix was meant as a teaching os NOT as a unix clone07:26
Blackwellmojo_: the gnu project, as i understand it, provides many of the tools that nowadays we come to expect in a unix, i guess. but it started out as providing free alternatives i heard, yes.07:26
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spikebthey disagreed because they're both blowharding asshats07:26
Blackwellspikeb: everyone's a moron. :)07:26
spikebincluding me!07:26
Blackwellyeah, me too, and proud of it, dammit.07:26
FITHHmm... true I think I did overstate that...   They disagreed and Linus decided to write an OS.. two seperate facts...   If they had agreed Linus might have helped with Minux07:27
djuuss|QuaD-: i know, but they made minix, as a teaching os, instead of unix, which could be used as a teaching os, but was way to expensive for that purpose07:27
drspinok - so does anyone know if this NTFS driver http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/status.html#ntfsdriver is included in the ubuntu kernel?07:27
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drspinspeaking of... what version of the kernel does "warty" use?07:27
djuussdrspin: there is one, not sure which tho07:27
zenwhen|QuaD-, I am nearly positive I read Linu was using MINIX when he wrote Linux.07:27
|QuaD-djuuss: minix was never meant to have anything to do with unix. unix was closed source (i believe) therefore not a teaching os07:27
FITH"AT: I still maintain the point that designing a monolithic kernel in 1991 is a fundamental error. Be thankful you are not my student. You would not get a high grade for such a design :-)"07:27
drspindj:  as long as it has read without corruption I'll be ok ;)07:27
Blackwelldrspin: i would suggest that other project which uses the original driver files.07:28
|QuaD-zenwhen: he might have been using it to learn on (which he did) but no one "uses" minix07:28
djuussdrspin: it reads it just fine07:28
drspinblackwell - ok thanks07:28
drspindj - thanks!07:28
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zenwhen|QuaD-, I'll check in on it. I think it was in Linux Magazine. I forget where I read the interview.07:29
mojo_Okay all.. that was just top of the head stuff.  Mojo Jojo, you can probl'y google for better 'histories' and such07:29
|QuaD-zenwhen: read again, minix isn't that type of OS07:29
mojo_i am not really clear on the whole minix thing07:29
Kamiontry the book "Just For Fun"; it's got a good deal of the early history in Linus' own words.07:29
mojo_don't take my word for more than just hearsay anyway07:29
spikebminix is crap for use. good for learning though07:29
Mojo_Jojomojo_ I think I will haha but I did learn a little bit :D07:29
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mojo_mjjj - np, thats the jist07:30
mojo_mjjj - i like wikipedia's articles.. was reading on the history of the usenet not too long ago.  interesting stuff07:31
Kamionhe describes how he was dissatisfied with the Minix terminal emulation, so decided to write his own; the terminal emulator grew a disk driver and filesystem code so that he could save things to disk, and it snowballed from there.07:31
Mojo_Jojomojo_ ok i'll check with wkikipedia :)07:31
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FITHAnother interesting article is from Andrew T. about "Who wrote linux" ...  Which we wrote when a MS researcher mis-represented him..07:32
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|QuaD-FITH: thats one of the best linux/minix/origin set of letters i have read, especially the responses from linus and everyone07:33
mojo_FITH: nice links07:34
Mojo_Jojoyeah thanks FITH :)07:34
FITHYeah, after seeing the junk that MS published at the time, it was nice to see some good come out of it.  I think more people know about the history of Unix because of it :)07:35
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mojo_So BSD is another clone?  I thought it started with bell labs codebase07:35
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mojo_ya learn sumthin new every day07:36
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drspindoes ubuntu use SCSI emulation for burning or the new IDE stuff07:37
HauntedUnixGot a friend who's running ubuntu. He has a 512mb USB mp3 player, and he can't move files larger than 10kb to it. Works fine under windows. He was going to try and format it in linux, but fdisk/cfdisk /dev/sda gives "disc not readable"07:37
HauntedUnixAny suggestions? :)07:37
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mojo_drspin: you mean seraila ata?  i am not sure.  my sata drive appears as a scsi interface on ubuntu07:39
HauntedUnix(Works with supermount or manual mounting, by the way)07:39
sjoerddrspin: scsi emulation shouldn't be used anymore with 2.6 kernels (and thus isn't used in ubuntu)07:40
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|QuaD-alright all, brb gotta change labs07:41
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TycheI'm having issues with sound. What is the best way to configure it? First time it installed it recognized my sound card, this time it isn't. How do I check drivers or install drivers? I think it is ac9707:43
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|QuaD-i am back :)07:46
|QuaD-i see i missed a lot07:47
TycheWoot Quad is back!07:47
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TycheI'm having issues with sound. What is the best way to configure it? First time it installed it recognized my sound card, this time it isn't. How do I check drivers or install drivers? I think it is ac9707:49
mrothhmm, is anyone else having problems with gnome-window-list on panel since yesterday's distupgrade in hoary?07:51
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drspinwhat kernel does ubuntu use?07:54
sjoerddrspin: linux07:55
drspinwarty ;)07:55
drspinI was meaning version07:55
mrothwarty is, hoary is currently 2.6.907:55
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spikebis hoary using gnome 2.9.x?07:56
t17mhSo I want to compile a new module for my ubuntu kernel. Is there a way to do this without building my own kernel from scratch? The module is provided as a patch to the kernel source.07:56
mrothspikeb: yes07:56
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drspinok so the liveCD will read my NTFS volume and information just fine -- is it safe to assume that an actual install will perform the same?07:59
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|QuaD-drspin: i can't see why it wouldn't... but remember murphys law08:01
drspinquad :: aye :: can't trust one linux install to work the same as another... or something like that ;)08:02
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|QuaD-drspin: lol... but i do think i should work08:03
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drspinquad :: so far I like ubuntu more than any other distro - except gentoo but my purpose is different here08:05
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drspinthe music player just crashed on me...08:06
|QuaD-drspin: are u using xmms?08:06
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Gaarutohow to configure postfix please ? i have a message when i try to install a soft08:07
drspinQuad :: I'm using the LiveCD and it has RhythmBox -- but it won't let me play any mp3 files and it crashed when I loaded a radio station08:07
|QuaD-drspin: i don't know too much about RhythmBox, I prefer xmms... lightweight and stable08:08
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BrettMeisterHave WindowsXP w/ a C and D recovery partition on a hard drive with about 34 gig open.  Have PartionMagic.  How many partitions will ubu need when I install?08:09
drspinquad :: yes I know XMMS and like it's interface08:09
sjoerdBrettMeister: create one free partition, you can partition further during install08:09
drspinit does lack much of what RhythmBox made up for in usability -- especially when dealing with a 6000 song library08:10
drspinI like iTunes... but not for linux... yet...08:10
Quest-MasterI heard Rhythmbox crashes if you load too many songs08:10
drspin1 mp3 file...08:10
Quest-MasterI prefer beep-media-player anyhow08:10
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Quest-MasterOr you could try RealPlayer10 for Linux. Heard that works pretty well too.08:10
Quest-MasterBased off of the Helix Player.08:10
drspinit says "there is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file"08:11
|QuaD-i am VERY dissapointed with apple's rendezvous client08:11
BrettMeisterThanks.  What size of partition for ubu? I forgot to ask.08:11
Quest-MasterYou have to install one.08:11
etorixi hear xoveroffice runs itunes08:11
drspinetorix -- it does but it's not worth it... slow and VERY unstable08:11
|QuaD-when i read about rendezvous it sounded cool, i figured anyone in the same subnet08:11
|QuaD-littlee did i know08:11
|QuaD-it is LAN's not subnets!08:11
manoupecan someone tell me which package to install in order to have gcc, make, autoconf etc ... ?08:11
etorixubu .. who let alfred jarry in here08:12
drspinXMMS is not on the liveCD :08:12
|QuaD-drspin: so install ubuntu08:12
rolfzormanoupe: build-essential08:12
sjoerddrspin: xmms sucks anyway08:13
manoupeok rolfzor, thank a lot :)08:13
BrettMeisterWhat size of partition does Ubunto need?08:13
etorixxfmedia from xfce4 is my least buggy musicplayer ..on 64-bit08:13
rolfzormanoupe: it doesn't seem to include autoconf though08:14
manoupeokay, so I'll install it manually :)08:14
etorixGet:45 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main bicyclerepair 0.9-3ubuntu1 [110kB] 08:14
etorixbash: bicyclerepair: command not found08:15
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drspinso the 2.6 kernel seems a bit snappier...08:17
drspinor perhaps it's the version of X that this Live CD uses08:17
FITHHmm...  interesting...  is xfmedia in a deb, or compiled yourself?08:18
FITH(Admitidly I'm searching on a Deb-Unstable machine, but I can't find it)08:18
Gaarutohow to configure postfix please ?08:18
etorixerm .. i hace access to a 64-bit repository for xfce408:19
FITHHmm... I'll keep looking...  could be that Deb (or even Deb-i386) doesn't have it08:19
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etorixFITH: 32-bit comes from os-cillation08:19
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theNeonGodany way i can 'browse' available networked printers? i can access the smb shares of the computer that has the shared printer, but i put in what i thought was ther right host, location, etc, and its not printing.08:21
mojo_hey etorix:  which platform u runnin?08:21
etorixFITH:  i know the 64-bit works cos im on it .. the 32-bit debs are at  http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=3708:22
etorixubuntu 64-bit08:22
FITHAh, cool, I'll check it out, thanks!08:22
etorixhoary hedghog or so08:22
etorixits gnome-friendly08:22
mojo_etorix:  just built this amd athalon64 system yesterday and installed ubuntu-6408:23
etorixi cant tell u its ubuntu-friendly on 32-bit tho08:23
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etorixbut i have no issues on 64-bit08:23
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mojo_etorix: it put on the x86_64 kernel, and i was wondering how to change it to the amd64 kernel.  i 'installed' it via synaptic but it didn't 'take'.08:23
FITHHmm, I'll have to try out the XFCE4.2 stuff when I get home... I've got both a 32-bit and a AMD64-bit box to play with08:24
etorixah .. i debootstrapped a debian-amd64 awhile ago .. this is the first formal 64-bit distro08:24
mojo_it seems to be running just fine.  i just saw the _amd64 versions when scanning the software in synaptic and thought i may as well start out with the properly optimized kernel image08:24
etorixi havent got round to kernel-changing yet08:25
pdaoustnow here's a curious problem: whenever I go to a page with Japanese encoding -- NHK, MegaTokyo, Google Japan -- Firefox dies on me. anyone else have this issue?08:25
etorixyeah .. right08:25
pdaoustoh wait -- Google Japan doesn't have that problem08:26
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etorixhmm .. they got embedde nippon-fonts or what08:27
pdaoustetorix: I'll check08:27
|QuaD-drspin: so install ubuntu08:27
|QuaD-sorry bout that08:27
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ska1hi, when using vim, when i press enter after a comment line, the next line starts with a comment automatically, how to stop that?08:28
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pdaoustohhhhhhh I don't like vim; I'm used to GUI stuff :-/08:29
FITHska1: <take with a grain of salt>  Install emacs!08:29
drspinis is possible that the media players are unable to use my music files due to them being on an NTFS partition?08:29
etorixvery likely08:30
ska1pdaoust, FITH:hmm, i've been wired to work with vim so can't change now08:30
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drspinwell I'm going to reboot... backup my data and install ubuntu08:30
pdaoustdrspin: it is possible, but... I don't know how likely. Can any other programs use any other files on your NTFS partition?08:30
FITHwould have thought if they can be read they would be usable...08:31
ska1fun to use strange keys inside vim, as if like magic, emacs is also equally good, but my first love was vim, so can't change now though08:31
etorixits a bit slow innit?08:31
drspinpdaoust: not sure -- the file manager (nautilus I think) will accurately gather properties for files and whatnot08:31
pdaoustFITH: yeah, I think so too08:31
ska1drspin: run the command "file /path/to/nts/file"08:31
pdaoustdrspin: in a non-root account?08:31
FITHi.e. if you can do "cp /ntfs-stuff/britney.mp3 /tmp"   then it should  just work08:31
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ska1drspin: if that command returns the file type, then reading the file is not the problem any more :)08:31
pdaousthmmmmmm, okay, this character set thingy I'm having problems with... it appears that all the websites that have problems are in ShiftJIS (x-sjis) encoding... don't know why that would make Firefox bail08:32
mrothmy gnome-window-switcher on panel recently started to refuse to be wider than maybe 200px, so everything is crammed into a tiny space.. it wont expand to full width of panel bar.  any ideas on what woudl cause that?08:32
Atlas_britney powaa :p08:32
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pdaoustmroth: gnomes08:32
pdaoustthat's what cause it08:32
pdaoustcomputer gnomes08:32
mrothI always knew it08:33
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pdaoustsometimes the stupidest answer is the most plausible ^_^08:33
mojo_gnomes - half breed from an elf and a gremlin huh?08:33
pdaoustin all seriousness, mroth, you've tried all the settings you can find?08:33
spikebgreat news08:33
spikebi finally got my ubuntu cds today :)08:33
mrothpdaoust: yeah, it doesnt seem to care what the 'max' width is set to at all, and I've tried removing/readding it and rebooting08:33
drspinis it possible that on the LiveCD - there isn't an mp3 codec??08:34
drspinbecause I get thge same thing in08:34
kebaci heard that it is because of USA08:34
pdaoustdrspin: you are correct08:34
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drspinpdaoust: there is no mp3 codec on the LiveCD...08:34
pdaoustdrspin: looking in the Ubuntu Wiki, you'll find a page called RestrictedFormats, which helps you with installing MP3 codecs, Flash, Java, etc08:35
pdaoustmroth: ohhhhhh, I reread it, and I have an idea, but the phone is for me08:35
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mojo_yeah our usa... we tell you we wanna export our democracy but in reality we just want to export our restrictive laws08:35
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drspin... how can I be productive in this environment that I'm testing if I can't listen to my music...08:35
ska1drspin:well said ;)08:36
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ska1drspin: so have you been able to access that britney file after all?08:36
mojo_lol@drspon well said08:36
drspina live CD should include support for MP3, OGG, AAC (maybe),08:36
etorix~hitme baby~08:36
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drspinit was Nsync08:37
drspinjust because it was the first one in my music folder08:37
mojo_i try to get most my music lossless, convert my shns to flac.  shame you can't just convert an mp3 to another (lossy) format w/o furter degradation08:38
drspina liveCD should also include a flash and shockwave plugin...08:38
drspinmojo_ it's because the frequencies that are removed from say an OGG file are very different than those from an MP3 file08:38
pdaoustdrspin: unfortunately Macromedia hasn't released Shockwave for Linux yet... you can get it working with Crossover Plugin, I've heard, but that costs $08:39
sjoerddrspin: please provide a free flash and shockwave plugin08:39
mojo_drspin: yeah, i know (but thx).  it's just a shame thats all.  if i could, i'd just conv. them all and be done with mp3s08:39
drspinsjoerd: yes... I'm working on that as fast windowmaker makes updates ;)08:40
sjoerddrspin: and please solve the patent issues with mp3 and stuff like that too :)08:40
spikebthere is a free flash plugin08:40
pdaoustokay, mroth, I think I know what your problem is -- I bet you anything there's an evil invisible panel applet that's preventing your taskbar from expanding any further. Fill up your taskbar with tasks (if it's not already full to its maximum 200px) and right-click on the empty space immediately after the taskbar... I bet you there's an invisible icon there08:40
sjoerddrspin: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats08:40
spikebpatents on MP3 expire in 06 or 07, as well08:41
spikebnot too shabby08:41
sjoerdspikeb: last time i tried that it gave more problems then it solved unfortunately...08:41
mrothpdaoust: if there is, i cant find it.. I've tried moving the panel applet all around and it hasnt made a difference, and i cant find anything invis08:41
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mrothi tried jumping it up to the top panel too, no diff08:41
pdaoustmroth: poopy08:42
mrothyeah :/08:42
mroththis happened on my laptop once in debian, but it went away after a reboot08:42
pdaoustmroth: well, there was my one good idea... my brain is now empty for the day :-/08:42
spikebheh on my box swfdec is only good for pretending to do flash08:42
drspinsjoerd: while I'm at it I'll go ahead and solve the usability issues and I'll sue SCO and I'll develop a kernel that can recompile itself on the fly without a reboot...08:42
spikebit doesnt actually do it, but it keeps firefox happy08:42
mrothpdaoust: heh, thanks for trying08:42
pdaoustmroth: no prob08:42
HaukkariDoes ubuntu have mini install cd's?08:42
HaukkariThose would be nice08:42
sjoerddrspin: nope, if you solve those two i'll be happy already :)08:42
HaukkariI don't want to download the big and fat 600 megabyte cd. :/08:43
mrothi dont think they current make any mini-cds.. nor a network-install thing, which is too bad, since i know a lot of people who want that08:43
drspinsjoerd: well damn - I'm sorry my goals are too high for you ;)08:43
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mojo_Q:  Mandrake spoiled me... diskdrake was easy to mount partitions with... anyone know if Ubuntu has an easy utility, or can you point me at the howto or sumthin?  I have some partitions from previous install with all my media files and I need to mount and move them.  also have a new hard drive to part and format08:43
mrothi've heard some people use the debian network install, and then abort it and change the apt repositories to ubuntu, and then update, heh08:43
drspinmojo :: if you setup your fstab properly you can just type "mount Label"08:44
sjoerddrspin: obviously i don't mind if you solve al the worlds problems :)08:44
drspinsjoerd: so much pressure :/08:44
mojo_drspin so i just man fstab and go from there?08:44
drspinmojo: aye08:44
drspinyw :)08:45
drspinthe linux noob helps someone :D08:45
trekeanyone know of a gnome-vfs capable text editor in ubuntu?08:45
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mojo_<///////#~~  (pfffft) Hi mmpf08:46
pdaoustthat's not a console window08:46
mojo_(cough) :D08:47
mmpfcan i somehow install kde3.3 on ubuntu?08:47
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Blackwellmmpf: same way as on debian?08:49
spikebmmpf, i wouldn't.08:49
spikebuse debian proper instead.08:49
CheatersRealmok, I can either a) sit here and be bored, or b) install ubuntu08:50
mmpfbut i can't find the debian-server for the amd64 port08:51
spikebi can find it08:51
spikebbut i wouldnt use that iether08:51
mojo_wwyd spikeb?08:51
mmpfwhere do you find them08:51
spikebmojo_ i'm not quite sure08:51
spikebmmpf, hang on i will look08:51
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etorixwhy not?08:52
etorixamd64 is at alioth08:52
HaukkariIs "Hoary Hedgehog" meant like Old Hegdgehog or a White Hedgehog? =)08:52
spikebmmpf, http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/08:52
udssrmy ssh server will let people in, that dont have a public rsa key in my files allthough i told him not to do so08:52
genheakkari, it sleeps around08:52
udssrhe just asks for a password08:53
udssrnot a passphrase08:53
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mmpfbut somehow i didn't get apt work on my amd6408:53
theNeonGodhow do i restart smbd?08:54
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udssr./etc/init.d/smbd restart08:54
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etorixapt has to work08:54
mmpfi'll keep on trying...08:54
theNeonGodudssr, not in /etc/init.d. does that mean i'm not running it?08:54
udssryou can do sh instead of the dot too08:54
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udssractually its /etc/init.d/samba08:55
theNeonGodnot there either08:56
mojo_i thought "./" in front of cmd like "./configure" was to get bash or whatever to execute from current directory.  So shouldn't the "./etc" in your exa. just have been "/etc"?  forgive my ignorance if i am missin sumthin08:56
theNeonGodudssr, my bad. samba not installed. can this be why i cant connect to a windows printer?08:57
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udssryes...maybe :-)08:57
theNeonGodudssr, thought the samba package was just to _serve_ files and printers to windows tho?08:58
udssrlet ma check08:58
theNeonGod"The Samba software suite is a collection of programs that08:58
theNeonGodimplements the SMB protocol for unix systems, allowing you to serve08:58
theNeonGodfiles and printers to Windows, NT, OS/2 and DOS clients. This protocol08:58
theNeonGodis sometimes also referred to as the LanManager or NetBIOS protocol."08:58
mmpfi always thougt that cups is used to connect to windows printers08:58
theNeonGodyeah... i think thats running08:58
theNeonGodjust that none of my windows printers are showing up08:59
udssri dont really know...im not using printers :-)09:00
spikebare you guys going to have free cds for hoary too?09:00
mmpfhave you tried with cups theNeonGod?09:00
theNeonGodmmpf, i think so. cups runs by default, yes?09:00
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mmpfi think you need cups to use your printer09:01
mmpfbut i've never used a printer on ubuntu, only on mandrake09:01
spikebcups is installed by default on ubuntu09:02
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virtexI need help with an ATI problem if anyone has an experience with ATI, Fglrx, and Mesa... i can't Direct Rendering to work, as well as the Opengl is still being done by Mesa :( even tho it's all installed09:08
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Tdotumm ubuntu definitley didn't ask me for a root password09:10
s0cksTdot : There is a reason for that.09:11
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Tdotexplain please09:11
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s0cksUbuntu doesn't use a root I think.09:12
s0cksI still am not even using ubuntu.09:12
spikebnope, it doesn't09:12
Tdothow do you control things?09:12
s0cksw00t! The n00b was right.09:12
Tdotand why is root in /etc/passwd09:12
spikebTdot, sudo09:12
virtexthere is still a root account09:12
spikebbecause root exists, it's just disabled.09:12
Tdot...different, not weird09:13
virtexactually if you change the password you can use it all you want09:13
spikebosx does the same thing heh09:13
dreamerit's a bloody good idea imo09:13
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Tdotwill it screw anything up if i cheat and change the root passwd09:14
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spikebim not sure09:14
s0cksTdot : No.09:14
virtexit hasn't done anything to my system09:14
virtexanyone here got the ATI drivers working properly ?09:14
spikebi have.09:14
s0cksATi = outdated.09:14
virtexI have them installed and everything... but it's still using Mesa :(09:14
Tdotyeah just did sudo xterm and changed it09:14
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virtexanyideas... direct rendering is still off too09:15
joccoHi, Thanks for Ubuntu, is there a Virus scan installed by default, or  a popular one I can apt-get? TIA :)09:16
Tdotive never had use a virus scanner in linux09:17
etorixfor win-viruses?09:17
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etorixrootkithunters ok09:17
s0cksThe cases weigh 50 pounds. :-\09:18
Atlas_someone can help me to configure applet seti@home please?09:18
etorixid prefer to get electricsheep09:19
etorixbut it doesnt like xorg09:20
pwhitingnewbie apt-get question: I'm doing an "apt-get install dialog" and it ends up wanting to remove 79 packages - things like wget, adduser, udev, ...09:20
etorixis it replacing them?09:21
etorixi installed xdialog .. that went ok09:21
pwhitingno - 1 install, 79 removes, and 0 upgrades09:21
joccois there wine for Ubuntu?09:22
etorixhmm .. dont then09:22
joccoor something for running windows applications?09:22
Atlas_someone can help me to configure applet seti@home please :o(?09:23
etorixwine should be on 32-bit09:23
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joccoI just looked in synaptic, after update, no WINE09:24
etorixi have wine-doc available .. no wine09:24
CheatersRealmomg, I am officially stupid09:25
CheatersRealmI definately forgot to bring a few cd's home from college to burn stuff09:25
spikebwine ought to be among the supported packages.09:25
spikebCheatersRealm, heh09:26
CheatersRealmnow I have to use a 4x crap from my parets09:26
Atlas_someone can help me to configure applet seti@home please :o(?09:26
spikebAtlas_, i would, but i know nothing about it.09:26
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etorixit should be in non-free or .. restric?ted09:26
CheatersRealmbrb, with a cd and some snacks to install ubuntu09:26
spikebetorix, wine? no.09:26
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etorixwell i know its not available for 64-bit yet09:27
spikebi hope these guys plan on taking more stuff out of universe and into supported as the releases go on09:27
etorixit doesnt build either09:28
joccoI have warty, is that like SID or woody 0o ?09:28
spikebjocco, warty is similar to SID09:29
joccoThanks :)09:30
spikebjocco, they froze sid, updated GNOME and did some other things, and called it warty (to oversimplify)09:30
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CheatersRealmok, so I'm about to install warty09:30
xskoulaxanyone having problems with gaim the last couple days?09:30
spikebxskoulax, not any more htan usual09:31
spikeb(stupid msn switchboard server)09:31
xskoulaxoh yea forgot about its support for msn09:31
xskoulaxlet me clarify, problems with aim on gaim09:32
spikebnope, i don't use aim heh09:32
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CheatersRealmwarty install is just text to start with right?09:34
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spikebit's just text install09:35
spikebbut rather painless09:35
CheatersRealmjust needed to make sure I didn't need my mouse yet09:35
xskoulaxCheatersRealm, you ever installed linux?09:35
Tdotos[Linux - Debian testing/unstable]  up[57 minutes]  cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz, 1600.381 MHz (3153.92 bogomips)]  mem[247.01/250.92 MB (98.4%)]  video[ at 1280x1024 (24 bits)] 09:35
Tdotwhy is my memory always so high?09:35
Tdotno way it's actually using that much09:35
spikebTdot, it might be lying09:35
xskoulaxthats whats free prehaps09:35
etorixlinux uses it all09:35
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spikebTdot, try free -m and look at the buffers/cache line09:36
etorixits still available09:36
TdotBuffers:         25148 kB09:36
TdotCached:          93204 kB09:36
CheatersRealmxskoulax, yes, several times09:36
Tdot-/+ buffers/cache:        128        12209:36
CheatersRealmI'm just unvovering things on my desk as I need them09:36
Tdotthats better i suppose09:36
spikebmuch better09:37
xskoulaxahhh ok CheatersRealm, should be plain sailing then09:37
Tdotnow i just habe to dump gnome09:37
Tdotthis is killing it lol09:37
spikebi wouldn't use ubuntu at all if i didn't want gnome heh09:37
Tdoti just liked trying new distros09:37
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ozanHi, Everytime during starting progress i get "PnPBIOS: Warning! Your PnP BIOS caused a fatal error." message. (actually it started to appear after i changed my motherboard) This message tells me to add "nobiospnp" option to operate stably. I just don't know where to add this option or what to do to fix this problem?09:38
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spikebwell, to me the point of ubuntu is a gnome desktop distro09:38
CheatersRealmxskoulax, I'm lost, where are all the emerge commands :)09:38
spikebotherwise i could use debian proper09:38
Tdotwhy would someone make a distro based on using gnome with it09:38
spikebask the ubuntu devs09:39
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CheatersRealmbecause kde is huge, so it takes a wihle to make kde as nice as they made gnome09:39
Tdotkde sucks too09:39
Tdoti use fluxbox on slackware09:39
etorixim using xfce4 x6409:40
CheatersRealmTdot, oh yeah? well I use my own hand coded wm on lfs ! (ok, not really.)09:40
joccoyea, is there an easy way to install Blackbox or IceWM? like from Apt-get?09:40
spikebapt-get install fluxbox09:40
Tdotxfce looked nice with this livecd i tried09:40
CheatersRealmI kinda liked xfce09:40
Tdotit looked decent09:40
Tdotbut it probably took a while to get it that way09:41
etorixit uses gnome-libs09:41
CheatersRealmI like kde and gnome for the most part, other than their bulkyness..09:41
Gwildor|WorkTdot, what live vd was it?09:41
Tdotmod of knoppix09:41
etorixslack -current is a bit froz since pat got ill09:41
CheatersRealmknoppix might have it.. (xfce)09:41
jocconope no fluxbox :(09:41
spikebetorix, he's back09:42
xskoulaxlol CheatersRealm09:42
etorixo0o .. they busy boys in xfce09:42
Gwildor|Workfluxbox is apt-getable09:42
CheatersRealmalright.. it's just installing now..09:42
CheatersRealmnot even fedora is this easy09:43
Gwildor|Workspikeb, got a screenshot of whoppix?09:43
etorixxfce4.2-rc3 is out this week .. in time for xmas09:43
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spikebGwildor|Work, no, but CheatersRealm might09:43
joccoI cant get it :( I tried xfce too09:43
etorixwell if slack did a 64-bit ..09:43
spikebjocco, they're probably in universe09:43
Gwildor|WorkCheatersRealm, got a screenshot of whoppix?09:44
CheatersRealmGwildor, nope, never used it.09:44
CheatersRealmI did google it tho09:44
CheatersRealm|QuaD-, mod of knoppix09:44
Tdotwhoppix is pretty nice09:44
Tdoti use it for wireless wardriving09:44
Tdoton my lappy09:44
spikebRC3 will be 4.2 final if all goes well09:44
|QuaD-Everything is a mod of knoppix09:44
|QuaD-it seems like09:44
CheatersRealm|QuaD-, gentoo isn't09:44
Tdoti dont like knoppix09:44
Tdotwhoppix is coo though09:44
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etorixoverclockix had the best fluxbox09:45
spikebubuntu's livecd used to be a ripoff of knoppix's name09:45
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Tdotubuntuix ?09:45
Gwildor|Workgnoppix is not ubuntu live09:45
Pozacit is now09:45
CheatersRealmwow, ubuntu wins so far for ease of install - 1st reboot now09:46
bluefoxicyi just burned one09:46
Gwildor|Worknot the same...still different09:46
bluefoxicyand it wouldn't boot.09:46
joccoholy shit!!! the universial directory is HUGE, thankyou for showing me that :) looks like lots of cool stuff :)09:46
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Gwildor|Workknoppix is knoppix ...the K is for KDE......gnoppix for GNOME09:46
spikebjocco, it's completely unsupported and may or may not work.09:46
Tdotuniversal directory?09:46
Tdotis that an apt-get source /09:46
Gwildor|WorkTdot, yeah09:46
Tdotwhats the link heh09:46
joccoyea you can find them in synaptic repository lists09:47
Gwildor|WorkTdot, you already have it, just uncomment it in synaptic....or manually09:47
mojo_ubuntu didn't install the xfonts core on my system... took a good hour (for me) to figure that one out.  apt was nice though and it ran fine once the basic fonts were there for it.09:47
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Tdoti was looking right at it09:47
Tdotbut only the security one clicked in my head09:47
mojo_other than that ubuntu install was pretty painless09:47
spikebmakes me angry that gnoppix-warty has bootsplash and no installer, and the ubuntu install cd has installer and no bootsplash09:48
joccoooOOOO000OOOOooo Neat Quake 2 is free :)09:48
Gwildor|WorkTdot, you can add multiverse too, while you are there..........09:48
etorixi have shedloads of pythons installing/upgrading09:48
gooniehi all.. I need some help with dual display. I have my laptop and an extra monitor and I wanted to extend my desktop to my extra monitor. How do I do this?09:48
Gwildor|WorkTdot, where it says "universe" make it say "universe multiverse"09:48
spikebmojo_, the equivelent of non-free09:48
Gwildor|Workwhat is iirc?09:49
spikebif i recall correctly09:49
CheatersRealmis it supposed to be download a ton of stuff now?09:49
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mojo_AAAAHHHH!!!  That is where the codecs live huh? ;)09:49
CheatersRealmGwildor, if i remember correctly09:49
Tdotwhats multiverse?09:49
Gwildor|Worknon free09:49
spikebnon-free applications09:49
etorixgoonie:  look on here: etorix: 'nvidiaconfig' could be http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/nv-online/09:49
Gwildor|Workbut are free there...........i dont get it09:49
CheatersRealmam I supposed to be downloading almost 600 programs?09:50
goonieetorix thx :)09:50
Tdoti downloaded 4 gigs of iso's while i slept last night09:50
PozacTdot, for more unsupported repositories see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu09:50
Tdotbrb time to make fluxbox work09:50
xskoulaxCheatersRealm, i'm guessing its getting updated packages09:50
CheatersRealmxskoulax, is it getting x for the first time?09:50
spikebheh cool09:51
CheatersRealmor is it just getting an x patch to upgrade?09:51
xskoulaxmmmm not sure09:51
FITHThe upgrade from Warty to Horay was about 440mb last night09:51
mojo_how do i add the multiverse as a source for apt?09:51
CheatersRealmxskoulax, cuz X for the first time is ~40mb, which means I can go take a nap09:51
xskoulaxlast install i did was 3 months ago09:51
xskoulaxso i can't exactly remember09:52
Gwildor|Workmojo_, in synaptic.......where it says "universe" make it say "universe multiverse"09:52
CheatersRealmafter unpacking 1.2 gb will be used09:52
spikebFITH, how's hoary working right now09:52
joccoquake2 dont work, BUmmer /09:52
Pozacjocco, got opengl?09:52
HrdwrBoBworks well I just updated a box last night09:52
joccoyea :)09:52
etorix quake2 is a bit old now09:52
xskoulaxjocco, i think thats just the linux point release09:52
xskoulaxnot the data files too09:53
spikebis usplash available/working yet? :)09:53
etorix"universe multiverse" .. will that work on 64-bit too?09:53
mojo_Gwildor|Work: I don't get it... under settings > repositories?09:53
Gwildor|Workmojo_, scroll down to the "universe" repo..........09:53
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Gwildor|Workmojo_, and in the line that says "universe" make it say "universe multiverse"09:54
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Tdotwell that didnt go too well09:54
spikebi might try hoary out09:54
CheatersRealmin the bottom right, I have this thing that says '8m52s' is that the estimated time left (it's running apt)09:54
Tdotwhat file do you change the runlevel from /09:54
spikebCheatersRealm, cool09:54
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Tdotsomewhere in /etc/init.d/ im guessing09:54
HrdwrBoBTdot: what do you want to do09:55
mojo_Gwildor - Okay I *think* I follow now.. but do i want to clone those entries and make new ones or do i want to replace/edit them?09:55
Tdotget rid of gdm09:55
HrdwrBoB/etc/init.dgdm stop09:55
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HrdwrBoB/etc/init.d/gdm stop09:55
spikebHrdwrBoB, so right about now would be a good time to upgrade to hoary and have a working install, eh? :)09:55
Gwildor|Workmojo_, just edit them............09:55
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Gwildor|Workmojo_, or you can duplicate them, and have one for universe, and one for multiverse09:55
lukinsahh, someone else here tried to upgrade to hoary and got hosed09:55
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lukinsguess why I'm here09:56
Gaarutoi have a pb to install gdesklets09:56
mojo_Gwildor: okay so it won't matter which way then..09:56
Pozacmojo, my line says "main restricted universe multiverse"09:56
spikebhoary's xorg was broken a couple nights ago09:56
Gaarutoi have install python gnome extra but i cant install gdesklets09:56
Gaarutoi have this message : "gdesklets-data:09:56
Gaaruto  Dpend: python (<2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu3 is to be installed"09:57
etorixyou could debootstrap hoary09:57
TdotHrdwrBoB, that only stops if its running09:57
Tdoti want gdm not to boot at start09:57
Gaarutosomone to solve my pb please ?09:57
Tdotin slackware i just change the runlevel to 309:57
lukinsspikeb exactly when i tried to upgrade09:57
Tdot3 = console login 4 = xdm09:57
spikeblukins, heh09:57
littlepenguinum. the multiverse line needs to be deleeted09:57
PozacGaaruto, hoary's python is currently broken09:57
etorixo great09:57
PozacGaaruto, or are you running warty?09:57
Gaarutook Pozac09:57
littlepenguinGaaruto, dl python 2.4 from python.org09:57
lukinsi have a base system no x or gnome, how do I install gnome?09:58
etorixits all updating here09:58
PozacGaaruto, they are fixing it :)09:58
mojo_Gwildor: THANKS!  Okay they are showing up now, and they list in the sections separately so I can stay sane on what is coming from where.09:58
Tdotlukins, consider yourself lucky09:58
spikebpython is broken eh09:58
Pozaclittlepenguin, it says less than (<) python 2.4 ?09:58
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lukinsi tried apt=get install gnome, no luck09:58
Tdoti dont want gdm and i dunno how to change init scripts in this distro09:58
Pozacwell.. some python packages are09:58
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Gaarutoi prefere an dist-upgrade whith python littlepenguin09:58
spikebPozac, anything important?09:58
Gwildor|Workmojo_,  dont forget to synaptic refresh09:58
lukinstdot, sounds like you and i are having the same problem09:58
littlepenguinif you want console login, sudo vi /etc/inittab and change the default runlevel to 309:58
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CheatersRealmI have a question.  if warty is xfree86, and isn't hoary supposed to be xorg.  but didn't they also say that you can upgrade from one to another just by downloading?  isn't that kinda hard to switch everything to xorg from xfree and keep the install?09:59
HrdwrBoBTdot: rm /etc//etc/rc2.d/SS99gdm09:59
mojo_Gwildor: Yep, done did it.09:59
Pozacspikeb, gdesklets for one.. :) not sure how much currently09:59
HrdwrBoBthat would be /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm09:59
lukinscheaters, my broken ubuntu tends to agree with you09:59
spikebim gonna do it09:59
spikebi can reinstall if i need to, gonna check out hoary09:59
martonanyone using gnomemeeting?09:59
etorixCheatersRealm: ive done it09:59
CheatersRealmetorix, is it hard to do?09:59
spikebheh, 779 packages updating :)10:00
CheatersRealmlol spikeb10:00
lukinsetorix, didn't run into any problems?10:00
mojo_Gnomemeeting... man i hated that on Mandrake cuz it kept putting it's flippin icon on my desktop even after i'd delete it.  Other that that I never used it ;)10:00
littlepenguingdesklets... try to see if anybody has a deb pkg org repository for it10:00
CheatersRealmapparently I got 2.5 minutes left.10:00
PozacCheatersRealm, much of the difference between the X servers lies in partly the licensing, and partly in the composite extension.. so besides the 'normal' opensource license and eyecandy, xorg = xfr