[12:00] <etorix> im on hoary
[12:00] <ogra> Pozac: why should it.....as long as debian doesnt change it, it will stay
[12:00] <etorix> 64-bit
[12:00] <ogra> etorix: there should be a tool in the gnome menu anywhere then
[12:00] <Pozac> ogra, *cough* rc-update *cough*
[12:00] <ogra> Pozac: not a maintenance tool
[12:00] <etorix> erm .. im not in gnome anymore
[12:00] <ogra> Pozac: its a apt backaend
[12:01] <ogra> etorix: so i cant help you, last kde i touched was 1.2 :)
[12:01] <etorix> im in xfce4
[12:01] <ogra> etorix: or thecommandline
[12:01] <etorix> gdm/xfce4 64-bit
[12:01] <Pozac> ogra, I feel that managing my boot has been one of the largest pains in dealing with ubuntu so far.. I hate deleted oddly named symlinks manually :)
[12:02] <ogra> etorix:i dunno the exact name of the tool
[12:02] <Pozac> deleting...
[12:02] <etorix> gnome-tools will still run
[12:02] <ogra> etorix: something like gnome-runlevel-editor
[12:02] <etorix> if i knew what to call
[12:02] <Pozac> ogra, Removing stuff from rc3.d only to find it being started in rcS.d
[12:03] <Pozac> ogra, and rcS.d really doesn't say much to me
[12:03] <ogra> Pozac:thatsdebian....why did you mess around with them ?
[12:03] <ogra> etorix: or probaly gnome-service-editor
[12:03] <Pozac> ogra, evms, and every service installed is automatically started at boot
[12:03] <etorix> acually .. according to htop i aint got too many illegal services running
[12:03] <margo> How can I use an apple mouse with Ubuntu?
[12:04] <ogra> Pozac: nope
[12:04] <Pozac> ogra, am I supposed to remember that evms is K20evms and not K30evms?
[12:04] <ogra> Pozac: only the init script is run
[12:04] <ogra> hehe
[12:05] <ogra> Pozac: will you ever use evms ?
[12:05] <Pozac> ogra, not on this laptop i think
[12:05] <ogra> Pozac: on this installation ?
[12:05] <ogra> heh
[12:05] <etorix> evms?
[12:05] <ogram> can I bind the (useless) windows key and/or the "menu" key on my keyboard as buttons 2 and 3 somehow?
[12:05] <Pozac> ogra, I also have installed mysql and postgresql just to test them out and play around
[12:05] <ogra> etorix: volume management .... like lvm
[12:05] <etorix> ah
[12:06] <Pozac> and here comes the 6 minute boot
[12:06] <etorix> id like to disable the raid-probe ting
[12:07] <ogra> Pozac: i ve seen a 45 sec ubuntu boot in spain.....
[12:07] <etorix> the installer-cd spotted my SATA hd ok
[12:07] <Pozac> ogra, Yeh, bet that was with evms, postgresql, samba and mysql?
[12:07] <theNeonGod> ntp wasn't configured right out of the box ('can't find host start' error). what should i do?
[12:08] <punkrockguy318> theNeonGod, did you just install?
[12:08] <ogra> Pozac: with everything in a default install.... so no sql servers i guess
[12:08] <xskoulax> \o/
[12:08] <theNeonGod> punkrockguy318, yep
[12:08] <punkrockguy318> theNeonGod, same thing just happened to me, try again later
[12:09] <ogra> theNeonGod: on a laptop with wlan ?
[12:09] <theNeonGod> ogra no just a p3 desktop
[12:09] <ogra> theNeonGod: then this shouldnt happen.....
[12:09] <theNeonGod> i'll try it again in a bit
[12:10] <theNeonGod> whats the package turnover time like for ubuntu? the biggies, firefox, gaim, are a bit out of date.
[12:10] <ogra> theNeonGod: wlan is unfortunately started after ntp so there this error is a known bug.... but on desktops the net should be up already
[12:10] <crimsun> theNeonGod: eh?
[12:10] <ogra> theNeonGod: april is the next release
[12:10] <crimsun> theNeonGod: Warty receives no package updates at all. It's stable.
[12:10] <Pozac> Not only stable, frozen
[12:10] <punkrockguy318> theNeonGod, if you want the latest versions, check out warty-backports
[12:10] <crimsun> theNeonGod: Hoary has current mozilla-firefox and gaim.
[12:11] <theNeonGod> ogra running the ntp daemon from terminal within the desktop produces a 'can't find host start' error
[12:11] <ogra> theNeonGod: ah, i thought you mean the startup
[12:11] <punkrockguy318> theNeonGod, warty-backports has gaim, firefox, xchat... and more..all newest versions
[12:11] <siretart> has anyone experience with evms? I get an "No such device" error message from the startscript. has anybody seen that already? what could be the culprit?
[12:11] <theNeonGod> ogra im assuming it failed there too. didn't notice.
[12:11] <ogra> siretart: do you have evms devices ?
[12:12] <ogra> theNeonGod: it would show up red if it failed on boot
[12:12] <siretart> ogra: what exaclty do you mean with "devices", device nodes?
[12:12] <theNeonGod> ogra i kno
[12:13] <siretart> ogra: /dev/evms has devices, corresponding to my local drives
[12:13] <ogra> siretart: nope, i mean do you have any Enterprise Volume Management Devices to manage ?
[12:14] <siretart> ogra: I want to create some
[12:14] <siretart> so, not yet..
[12:15] <ogra> siretart: so i guess you have to create volumes with the empty disks first
[12:15] <wiss> hallo guys .. yesterday i installed ubuntu .. i had small pro ...
[12:15] <Pozac> wiss, yes?
[12:16] <wiss> i think i had done somthing wrong with sudo
[12:17] <Aoi> hi ya, I would like to permanently add echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, how can I do it?
[12:17] <etorix> ok .. i seem to be still online
[12:18] <ogra> etorix: nope, youre not !
[12:18] <wiss> while i open program like synaptic and programs that require root permitions
[12:18] <wiss> it give errors
[12:18] <ogra> etorix: its just an illusion ;)
[12:18] <wiss> Failed to run network-admin as user root:
[12:18] <wiss>  Child terminated with 1 status
[12:18] <etorix> hmm .. no nmap
[12:18] <aquarius> HOw unstable is hoary at the moment? If I were using Debian I'd be happy to use Debian unstable: does that roughly equate to hoary? Or is it more unstable than sid?
[12:18] <ogra> wiss: which password did you give it ? it requires your user pw
[12:19] <ogra> etorix: hehe
[12:19] <etorix> im not crashing much
[12:19] <Pozac> aquarius, hoary tracks sid
[12:19] <wiss> hahhaa
[12:19] <Aoi> aquarius I'm using hoary, pretty stable
[12:19] <aquarius> Ah. That's useful knowledge, Pozac and Aoi, cheers. :)
[12:19] <ogra> wiss for info: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:19] <optimized> can anyone help with a wireless LAN install?
[12:20] <etorix> ive also got a debian-amd64 from sid ..
[12:20] <wiss> ogra ok thx
[12:20] <ogra> aquarius: its more like sid + experimental
[12:20] <ogra> aquarius: at least the gnome stuff.....
[12:20] <Bumjubeo> Is there a different command for copying things to the floppy if copy and rs doesnt work?
[12:20] <aquarius> ogra: hm. That's what I was worried about...I don't really want experimental gnome, because my whole desktop might go away one day :)
[12:21] <optimized> Anyone have any info on compatiabilty of wireless devices in UBUNTU??
[12:21] <crimsun> optimized: most work just fine.
[12:21] <ogra> aquarius: there is 2.9 in hoary atm i think
[12:21] <Aoi> aquarius, some apps that I use are more stable on hoary than warty
[12:21] <crimsun> optimized: you could try looking on the forum
[12:21] <etorix> erm .. i dont want a gnome desktop period
[12:21] <optimized> well, upon setup, it says no netowrk devices found
[12:21] <crimsun> etorix: you know my response.
[12:22] <Pozac> Aoi, yeah, stable releases of software does not go in stable ubuntu
[12:22] <Pozac> at least not after stable ubuntu is frozen
[12:22] <ogra> aquarius: ubuntu is totally tied to the gnome release cycle, so the dev version will always have the dev version of gnome
[12:22] <aquarius> How is apt at downgrades these days? It used to be, er, not all that recommended...has that improved? (In short, can I upgrade to hoary and then bottle out back to warty?)
[12:22] <aquarius> ogra, I didn't realise that. Cheers!
[12:23] <crimsun> aquarius: apt has always been intelligent about {up,down}grades
[12:23] <Pozac> aquarius, you can use the backports from hoary instead
[12:23] <crimsun> aquarius: the user, however, usually isn't.
[12:23] <etorix> o0o .. i wouldnt
[12:23] <ogra> aquarius: if you are a apt pinning guru, you can downgrade.....
[12:23] <Pozac> crimsun, which roughly means, apt's interface to the user is not up to par
[12:23] <aquarius> crimsun: ha. Well put.
[12:23] <ogra> aquarius: ..... but only if you are one ;)
[12:23] <crimsun> Pozac: other way around
[12:24] <Aoi> Pozac, yeah weird world lol. Just a question, do you know where the hell ubuntu is chaging  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 0 as default?
[12:24] <crimsun> Pozac: the user is often disastrously curious
[12:24] <aquarius> ogra: not me, chief. I can pin stuff if I have to. Guru, no :)
[12:24] <Bumjubeo> Is there a way to mount your floppy disk drive that isnt mount /mnt/floppy as well :)
[12:24] <Pozac> crimsun, apt is old and lame. It will be replaced soon. :)
[12:24] <Pozac> Aoi, /proc is the kernel filesystem... it doesn't remember settings over reboots
[12:24] <ogra> Pozac: with what ?
[12:24] <naibed> bye
[12:24] <crimsun> Pozac: of course. It will be replaced with portage. Then we will all sprout wings and fly to Christmas Island and have celebrations...or not.
[12:25] <Aoi> Pozac witch script ubuntu load by first?
[12:25] <ogra> lol
[12:25] <Pozac> Aoi, I'm not sure where ubuntu wants the commands to be run at boot to be placed
[12:25] <Aoi> hmm
[12:25] <etorix> apt-get install portage
[12:25] <etorix> nope ..
[12:25] <optimized> is ther an option in Gnome to cinfigure the network device if auto cinfig can;t find it?
[12:25] <Pozac> ogra, Wait and see
[12:25] <aquarius> Pozac, apt's great, at least in my reasonably uninformed opinion.
[12:25] <Aoi> etorix, it would be useful lol
[12:26] <Pozac> crimsun, no no.. It will be replaced by something that communicates the act of managing software better to the user
[12:26] <Pozac> crimsun, while remaining completely technical flawless
[12:26] <Aoi> optimized, system > system settings > network
[12:26] <ogra> Pozac: canonical employs the apt maintainer, so i guess it will stay.....especially since a lot of work currently goes into package signing optimization
[12:26] <aquarius> But I'd like to be able to downgrade by just telling it: see this repository here? Downgrade your packages so that you're not using anything outside this repository. I'm not clear that this is technically possible, though, so downgrading being awkward is not apt's fault...
[12:27] <Pozac> aquarius, yeh, it is .. just too hard to use
[12:27] <ogra> Pozac: there will be some very cool desktop stuff instead
[12:27] <etorix> ha
[12:27] <optimized> thanks Aoi!!
[12:27] <Pozac> ogra, I'm seriously expecting some libraryfication soon :)
[12:27] <aquarius> Pozac: I'd like to see some better shells *around* apt, certainly, and I've seen a few in development. But the core stuff is considerably better than anyone else's packaging system.
[12:28] <Pozac> ogra, which, in turn, will open up to new, sane, textual interface
[12:28] <Pozac> So you all dig on dselect as well? :)
[12:28] <aquarius> blah. Not me.
[12:28] <Pozac> Now that we're all flaming and such
[12:28] <Pozac> hehe
[12:28] <Aoi> optimized, you welcome
[12:28] <ogra> Pozac: aptitude  ?
[12:28] <Aoi> Pozac, hm, I'll check out kernel, thanks by the way
[12:29] <Dko> Hi again. ><  Small question. I created a launcher for I guess a shell script.  But when I double click nothing happens.  But if I double click the shell script it runs fine.  Why is this?
[12:29] <Pozac> ogra, nope.. more specific tools like the ones we have
[12:30] <ogra> Pozac: we ?
[12:30] <ogra> Pozac: who ?
[12:30] <ogra> Pozac: or which ?
[12:30] <Pozac> like the million apt-*
[12:30] <Pozac> hopefully a little renamed
[12:31] <Pozac> I'm sorry, I'd just like to see the old school textual do the same kind of growing up that guis does
[12:32] <Pozac> and apt-extracttemplates does what?
[12:32] <ogra> Pozac:  i was fine with apt the last years on debian..... since ubuntu i mostly use synaptic now.....but have no probs with apt
[12:32] <ogra> Pozac: no idea, never needed
[12:32] <ogra> Pozac: apt-file is graet
[12:32] <Pozac> ogra, I have tried, many times, to understand the wicked ways of apt
[12:33] <Pozac> ogra, what does it do?
[12:33] <Pozac> apt-hilton
[12:33] <Dko> Any help please?
[12:34] <ogra> Pozac: find files in packages .... like a apt-cache-search-in-content-of-all-packages
[12:34] <Pozac> Dko?
[12:34] <Pozac> ogra: like qpkg -f <file> ?
[12:34] <Pozac> ogra, or just emerge search <package> ? :)
[12:34] <ogra> Pozac: yep, but with apt power over ALL packages
[12:34] <Dko> Should I post again my question? ><
[12:34] <Pozac> ogra, and apt power over all prefixes
[12:35] <ogra> Pozac: ever tried: apt-get moo ?
[12:35] <Pozac> I never moo
[12:35] <Pozac> I'm not a cow
[12:35] <ACIDnet> today is not my day
[12:35] <adbak> apt-get moo
[12:36] <Pozac> ogra, apt-file in no way says anything about power to search
[12:36] <ogra> adbak: in a terminal ;)
[12:36] <adbak> aye, i know
[12:36] <Pozac> ogra, like apt-cache requires you to know that there's a cache to search
[12:36] <Pozac> why not apt-find?
[12:36] <ogra> Pozac: apt-file update
[12:36] <Pozac> and apt-find -f file ?
[12:36] <Dko> Ok. I created a launcher for a shell script(At least thats what It calls it).  But when I double click nothing happens.  But if I double click the shell script it runs fine.  Why is this?
[12:36] <ogra> Pozac: because it already has its names ?
[12:37] <Pozac> ogra, apt-find is not taken?
[12:37] <ACIDnet> to create a apache website do u just add NameVirtualHost test.myname.co.uk:80
[12:37] <ACIDnet> then <VirtualHost test.myname.co.uk:80>...........
[12:38] <adbak> anyone know of a good .ogg encoder for CDs?
[12:38] <ACIDnet> to the bottom of the httpd.conf
[12:38] <ogra> Pozac: not yet i think
[12:38] <crimsun> adbak: grip? rhythmbox?
[12:38] <ogra> adbak: sound jiucer ?
[12:38] <ACIDnet> nothing i do seems to work
[12:38] <ACIDnet> :(
[12:38] <optimized> would it be wise to use ndiswrapper to get the driver off the WinXP install cd of my wireless PCI card?
[12:38] <AndyR> sound juicer works ok here
[12:38] <Pozac> ogra, well.. do you see my point of all the apt tools having confusing names and some confusing parameters?
[12:38] <optimized> or is there an easier way of doing it?
[12:39] <Pozac> makes my head hurt
[12:39] <crimsun> Pozac: "confusing?"
[12:39] <Dko> Yea... I guess im not getting any help.
[12:39] <crimsun> Dko: sec, lemme scroll up
[12:39] <Dko> k
[12:39] <Pozac> crimsun, yeah.. apt-file to search, apt-extracttemplates to do ??
[12:39] <ogra> Pozac: nope, but i use debian since 8 years... i am a little bit used to the naming scheme, so call me biased ;)
[12:39] <Pozac> crimsun, have to know that apt uses cache to know apt-cache search
[12:39] <crimsun> Dko: are you running the command in a terminal?
[12:40] <ogra> Pozac: do you know the man command ?
[12:40] <Pozac> ogra, yeh
[12:40] <Pozac> ogra, do you know how the brain works?
[12:40] <Dko> You mean click the check box to make it do that?  No, but I tried that and it didn't work eigther.
[12:40] <crimsun> Pozac: actually the similarities between apt-* are very close
[12:40] <occy> anyone know anything about getting sound to work on a AC'97 Audio contronler?
[12:41] <crimsun> Pozac: for instance, compare apt-file(1) and apt-get(1)
[12:41] <occy> is there a sound tool or something I can apt-get install?
[12:41] <crimsun> occy: what's your lspci line for the sound chipset?
[12:41] <Pozac> crimsun, why are they not one?
[12:41] <occy> crimsun: sec
[12:41] <ogra> Pozac: hmm, mine says.... <Pozac> crimsun, yeah.. apt-file to search, apt-extracttemplates to do ?? ....... probably man apt-extracttemplates
[12:42] <occy> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[12:42] <crimsun> Pozac: because you should not make HUGE scripts or binaries when the individual components can be split off
[12:42] <crimsun> occy: lsmod|grep snd_intel8x0
[12:42] <Pozac> crimsun, .so ?
[12:42] <AndyR> my ac97 sound didnt work until i used acpi=force
[12:42] <DaNewB> How can I know which device is my serial mouse?
[12:42] <ogra> Pozac: aptextracttemplates - Utility to extract DebConf config and templates from Debian packages
[12:42] <occy> crimsun: it found some stuff :)
[12:42] <Pozac> crimsun, or how does linux and xfree do?
[12:43] <occy> crimsun: a bunch of stuff, should I paste in /msg?
[12:43] <ogra> Pozac: its mostly a maintainer tool
[12:43] <crimsun> occy: or in #flood
[12:43] <occy> hmm
[12:43] <crimsun> occy: either.
[12:43] <Pozac> ogra, I'm not a maintainer..
[12:43] <crimsun> occy: alsamixer(1) should work
[12:43] <occy> hmm, aumix won't open.
[12:43] <ogra> Pozac: nice, so you dont need to care about apt-extracttemplates ....
[12:43] <crimsun> Pozac: have you inspected the output of say, /usr/bin/apt-get and /usr/bin/apt-extracttemplates?
[12:44] <crimsun> Pozac: you'll see that there are in fact apt libs
[12:44] <crimsun> Pozac: ldd output, that is
[12:44] <DaNewB> Could a serial mouse be on /dev/psaux?
[12:44] <Pozac> crimsun, then why the HUGE binaries?
[12:44] <crimsun> DaNewB: usually not.
[12:44] <occy> crimsun: see it?
[12:44] <crimsun> occy: indeed, sec.
[12:45] <occy> crimsun: tx sorry to bug you :)
[12:45] <occy> crimsun: take your time
[12:45] <DaNewB> crimsun, I tried /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyS1 w/ no luck
[12:45] <ogra> DaNewB: install gpm, configure it and reconfigure x to use the gpm interface.....
[12:45] <crimsun> occy: what happens when you use alsamixer?
[12:45] <crimsun> occy: actually, have we established that snd-intel8x0 is loaded?
[12:46] <occy> oops
[12:46] <occy> crimsun: #flood again
[12:46] <crimsun> Pozac: err..."huge?"
[12:46] <Pozac> crimsun, sorry HUGE scripts and binaries
[12:46] <crimsun> Pozac: 118 KB is hardly "huge"
[12:46] <Pozac> crimsun, your words man
[12:46] <AndyR> i have both alsa and oss mixers loaded, is that right?
[12:46] <crimsun> Pozac: that's my point precisely.
[12:46] <occy> crimsun: there you go.
[12:47] <crimsun> Pozac: those are all split up
[12:47] <ogra> occy: sudo rmmpd snd_intel8x0m
[12:47] <occy> dont' see alsamixer per se
[12:47] <ogra> occy: sudo rmmod snd_intel8x0m
[12:47] <ogra> occy: sorry
[12:47] <occy> ogra: done
[12:47] <sls> how do you manage partitions in ubuntu?
[12:47] <ogra> occy: it blocks your soundcard
[12:47] <crimsun> occy: and now run alsamixer
[12:47] <occy> ogra: should I edit some file to remove that perm?
[12:47] <Pozac> crimsun, I'm not getting you
[12:48] <occy> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[12:48] <ogra> occy: yep..... /etc/hotplug/blacklist should work
[12:48] <Pozac> crimsun, if all the apt-* are replaced by 1 or 3 humanly sane binaries, which load .so's as needed, whats so wrong with that?
[12:48] <crimsun> occy: sudo echo "snd-intel8x0m" >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:49] <Pozac> crimsun, to be honest, I dont _care_ that I'm searching the cache. I'm searching apt.
[12:49] <crimsun> occy: when you reboot, it should work
[12:49] <ogra> Pozac: a user doesnt need them
[12:49] <Pozac> consider a binary named apt
[12:49] <ogra> Pozac: a user does only need apt-get, apt-cache
[12:49] <Pozac> apt install <package> ; apt search, apt extracttemplates
[12:49] <occy> crimsun: k... not working atm though after removing that module.  ( ogra )
[12:49] <Pozac> then everyone only needs apt
[12:50] <crimsun> Pozac: then you have a huge binary for 'apt'
[12:50] <Pozac> and we can holds hangs and sing
[12:50] <ACIDnet> :@
[12:50] <crimsun> Pozac: and that's just bad practise
[12:50] <ACIDnet> can someone pelase help me setup apache
[12:50] <Pozac> crimsun, crimsun is emerge that huge?
[12:50] <crimsun> ACIDnet: did you install apache through Synaptic?
[12:50] <crimsun> Pozac: I have no idea.
[12:50] <ogra> occy: but the modules is at least one showstopper..... probably you have to unload all the sound modules to free the device proper
[12:50] <ACIDnet> its editing the httpd.conf to allow more than 1 website
[12:50] <Pozac> crimsun, my 600mhz thinkpad has never died on me because a binary is too huge
[12:50] <occy> ogra: ahhh
[12:50] <occy> let me reboot it... [tm] 
[12:50] <occy> heh
[12:51] <Pozac> you cant just go around saying stuff is not possible
[12:51] <Pozac> then you've been coding too much C
[12:51] <Pozac> or whatever
[12:51] <crimsun> err what?
[12:51] <AndyR> this aint doze :)
[12:51] <occy> heh, too lazy to unload all those modules
[12:51] <ogra> occy.....fastest would be a reboot after you did crimsuns  sudo echo "snd-intel8x0m" >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:51] <crimsun> the point of _separating_ binaries is to install only the pieces you use, Pozac.
[12:51] <occy> unless I can restart something.
[12:51] <ACIDnet> crimsun: I have setup two different VirtualHost things but they both point to the same thing
[12:51] <Pozac> crimsun, why?
[12:51] <Pozac> crimsun, my disk is 60gb... I have apt-extracttemplates installed anyways
[12:52] <Pozac> not sure why
[12:52] <occy> cool beans
[12:52] <occy> it's rebooting atm.
[12:52] <Pozac> also apt-sortpkgs
[12:52] <crimsun> Pozac: would you like to install the Qt3 and KDE libs even though they're unnecessary if you only use the command line?
[12:52] <occy> crimsun: occy.net is back up btw.... check out the new changes ;)
[12:52] <sls> is there a partition management program for ubuntu?
[12:52] <Pozac> crimsun, ffs no
[12:52] <occy> ugh
[12:52] <occy> I take that back, he's playing with apache 2.0
[12:52] <occy> heh
[12:52] <crimsun> Pozac: then why would you choose to install pieces that aren't necessary?
[12:53] <Pozac> crimsun, because they make up an integrated bunch like the desktop?
[12:53] <crimsun> Pozac: do they?
[12:53] <Pozac> instead of strung together fixes
[12:53] <Pozac> yeh
[12:53] <crimsun> Pozac: there's a reason KDE for Ubuntu proper is not installed by default.
[12:53] <Pozac> does it not make sense for a developer to type "apt extracttemplates" and a user to type "apt install" ??
[12:53] <Pozac> crimsun, yeh
[12:54] <Pozac> crimsun, there's also a reason gnomemeeting is
[12:54] <crimsun> a developer isn't going to argue about the modularity of programs as installed in Debian, Pozac.
[12:54] <crimsun> it's standard practise to modularize components.
[12:54] <Pozac> yep
[12:54] <Pozac> I'll try again
[12:54] <Pozac> can you not load so's at runtime?
[12:55] <crimsun> sls: there're the parted bits, but it's not as fully featured as PartitionMagic (tm)
[12:55] <occy> :/
[12:55] <Pozac> so that they are not necessarily loaded?
[12:55] <occy> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such device
[12:55] <Pozac> so apt-search.so doesn't get loaded when I type something that's not apt search ?
[12:55] <EfaistOs> why Rhythmbox cant play mp3 files ? it says that it hasnt a plugin for that
[12:55] <occy> beep-media player  failed to open /dev/dsp
[12:55] <crimsun> occy: contents of /proc/asound/cards ?
[12:55] <occy> crimsun: looking
[12:55] <Pozac> I love modularization
[12:55] <occy> crimsun: no soundcards
[12:55] <ogra> EfaistOs: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:55] <martin_> guys, what does <RET> mean?
[12:55] <occy> problematic
[12:55] <crimsun> occy: is this a laptop?
[12:56] <occy> crimsun: yessir
[12:56] <crimsun> occy: dell?
[12:56] <occy> crimsun: yup.  Dell inspiron 8200
[12:56] <Pozac> I just think apt-* is user-unfriendly
[12:56] <crimsun> occy: reboot, disable the modem and printer port in bios.
[12:56] <Pozac> And it's causing problems for ubuntu and debian
[12:56] <occy> crimsun: on it 007
[12:56] <Pozac> I know synaptic and gnome is what got me here
[12:56] <ogra> occy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[12:57] <crimsun> Pozac: I'm failing to see the gist of your thrust then
[12:57] <Pozac> crimsun, when I'm on a terminal I'm bummed
[12:57] <occy> ogra: okies
[12:57] <ogra> occy: Sound breaks due to [https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1254 Bug 1254]  -- add {{{acpi_irq_isa=7}}} to boot options
[12:57] <ogra> occy: thats it
[12:57] <EfaistOs> ogra, ok thanks :p
[12:57] <ogra> :)
[12:57] <martin_> guys... what does <RET> mean in info documentation?
[12:58] <ogra> martin_: the return key
[12:59] <martin_> ogra, like backspace?
[12:59] <occy> ogra: so don't disable modem in the bios?
[12:59] <ogra> martin_: like the "enter" key
[12:59] <Pozac> crimsun, is it really that hard to make a shell script or whatever that depending on parameters call binaries in /usr/share/apt ?
[12:59] <Pozac> there's nothing wrong with the current binaries
[12:59] <adbak> martin: return, enter (key)
[12:59] <ogra> occy: nothing in the wiki about this.....
[01:00] <Pozac> except I have to use apt-cache to search.. instead of just apt :)
[01:00] <crimsun> occy: the best thing to do is to use the acpi boot param
[01:00] <crimsun> occy: the harder hack is to disable stuff in bios
[01:01] <crimsun> occy: the recommended procedure is to use the acpi boot param as outlined in the url ogra pasted.
[01:01] <SirFunk> hey.. is there any way to net-install ubuntu off a floppy or something?
[01:01] <crimsun> Pozac: you seem to have no problem with the binary, and yet you think otherwise in other statements. Which is it? :)
[01:02] <occy> k
[01:02] <occy> crimsun:  ogra tx bunches guys.  You are both a peach. :)
[01:02] <ogra> SirFunk: if there is one, its described here: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/index.html
[01:02] <occy> will report back
[01:02] <SirFunk> k, thanks
[01:02] <crimsun> SirFunk: currently, Debian Woody/Sarge netinstall and then dist-upgrade to Warty
[01:02] <martin_> ogra, is learning info documentation important for understanding linux?
[01:02] <Pozac> crimsun, It focuses on how apt is built internally. Nobody cares.
[01:03] <crimsun> Pozac: if it's a concern, please sub to deity and offer comments
[01:03] <ogra> martin_: at least its helpful if you like to read ;)
[01:03] <Pozac> crimsun, It can be easier and simpler for the mere human to install software
[01:03] <Pozac> crimsun, and for him to evolve to developer
[01:03] <ixane> you have to love how stuff randomly starts working.  I reinstalled ubuntu, ignoring the error about the ext3 filesystem I made and telling it to continue anyhow.  it finished installing and now works
[01:03] <SirFunk> occy: uhm.... i don't see anything about a floppy media
[01:03] <SirFunk> crimsun: ohhhh ... ok
[01:03] <Pozac> crimsun, apt is wonderfully built. Users don't care.
[01:04] <ixane> whereas before it gave me no error, and then broke.
[01:04] <crimsun> Pozac: http://lists.debian.org/deity/
[01:04] <theNeonGod> is the ubuntu ntp server down?
[01:04] <ogra> martin_: i think i learned more with howtos and tutorials when i started.....later i looked at info and man pages
[01:04] <Pozac> crimsun, Just like cars needs engines AND aerodynamics
[01:04] <ixane> it's like...getting packages and stuff now
[01:04] <Pozac> crimsun, windows is all aerodynamics
[01:04] <Hikaru79> Are there any X.org drivers for the Radeon 9800 card?
[01:04] <Hikaru79> The one on ATI's site is only for XFree86, apparently.
[01:04] <ixane> Pozac: all show and no go
[01:05] <crimsun> Hikaru79: currently there are many reports of ATI's binary-only fglrx drivers not cooperating with X.Org
[01:05] <occy> hmmm.... /melooks at the bug
[01:05] <Pozac> sweet
[01:05] <martin_> ogra, do you know you way with linux commands? or unix commands
[01:05] <Pozac> Gosh, they've been at this since 1997
[01:05] <martin_> i wanna really understand how all this works
[01:06] <crimsun> martin_: try an O'Reilly book about learning Linux
[01:06] <ixane> Linux in a Nutshell covered a lot of commands pretty well.
[01:06] <theNeonGod> where can i find ntp.conf?
[01:06] <martin_> crimsun, theres noting as good on the net?
[01:06] <ixane> it doesn't introduce you to linux, but it has a lot of commands in it
[01:07] <crimsun> martin_: there is certainly information
[01:07] <crimsun> martin_: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxnut4/  is a nice reference if you're starting out.
[01:07] <ogra> martin_: http://www.tldp.org/
[01:07] <etorix> fifi,org is good
[01:07] <martin_> alright thanks guys ill check those sites out
[01:07] <etorix> fifi.org
[01:07] <Quest-Master> Anyone here code with C#? (Mono)
[01:07] <crimsun> theNeonGod: in /etc/
[01:08] <ixane> martin_: try your local library too.  you sometimes get lucky
[01:08] <occy> hmmm, man, I feel stupid, can't find boot options
[01:08] <theNeonGod> crimsun, thats what i thought. i didn't have one. THAT is why ntp wasn't working... (fresh out of box install too)
[01:08] <crimsun> occy: you're using Warty, correct?
[01:08] <occy> crimsun: yup
[01:08] <occy> Eye Am Sofa King We Todd Did
[01:08] <ogra> occy: to try the quick, you can hit escape on boot and then edit with e
[01:09] <crimsun> occy: for a permanent solution, sudo $EDITOR /boot/grub/menu.list
[01:09] <occy> k
[01:09] <crimsun> occy: scroll to the line marked with # kopt=....
[01:09] <ogra> occy: and edit the kernel line......
[01:09] <crimsun> occy: and add the acpi_... to the end
[01:09] <Pozac> Now that's pair supporting.
[01:09] <crimsun> occy: then run `sudo update-grub'
[01:09] <Pozac> :)
[01:09] <ixane> ubuntu is busily downloading and installing packages. whee!
[01:10] <ogra> crimsun: this hash sign is dumb there
[01:10] <occy> there is a menu.lst   same thing n'est pas?
[01:10] <Pozac> yeh
[01:10] <ogra> occy: yep, typo
[01:10] <crimsun> yep, typo
[01:10] <crimsun> sorry
[01:10] <occy> ogra: k, just checkin' ;)
[01:10] <Pozac> or just 'menu'
[01:11] <crimsun> I'm sure the 8.3 limitation was taken into consideration at some point
[01:11] <ogra> name
[01:11] <Pozac> oh the fat thing
[01:11] <Pozac> ogra, like your nick? ;)
[01:12] <occy> kopt=acpi_irq_isa=7   I take it.
[01:12] <ogra> Pozac: want to rename me too ? ;)
[01:13] <Pozac> ogra: Yeh, I think for a supporter, you nick is too close to ogre which brings scary images in my head
[01:13] <Pozac> in leave me frightened and confused
[01:13] <Pozac> ;)
[01:13] <ogra> lol
[01:13] <Pozac> and
[01:13] <occy> Pozac: hah
[01:13] <ogra> its just an abbreviation of my name
[01:13] <Pozac> I see
[01:13] <crimsun> occy: it should be at the end of the commented kopt line
[01:13] <ogra> Pozac: so blame my parents ;)
[01:14] <occy> oh, so...          kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro acpi_irq_isa=7
[01:14] <Pozac> ogra, I'll blame you for not being creative enough to come up with something else :)
[01:14] <occy> of course, the /dev/hda1 should piont to the appropriate place.
[01:14] <crimsun> occy: yep. Make sure there's a hash mark at the beginning.
[01:14] <occy> oh
[01:14] <occy> ok
[01:15] <crimsun> (in my menu.lst, there's: ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs)
[01:15] <ogra> Pozac: it was my first unix login when i was 14 on my first terminal..... so it probably indicates i dont wanna grow up ;)
[01:15] <crimsun> (since when you run `sudo update-grub', the comments are parsed to generate the new menu.lst)
[01:15] <occy> k, here we go boys and girls
[01:15] <occy> fingers_crossed = yes;
[01:16] <ogra> Pozac: its ust sticky
[01:16] <ogra> just
[01:16] <Pozac> ogra, on my first linux login (debian) on my friends machine when I was 16 the first thing that confused me was the strange and unfriendly naming of everything :)
[01:17] <occy> ogra:  crimsun !!!!!
[01:17] <occy> yes
[01:17] <occy> hehe
[01:17] <bluefoxicy> hmm
[01:17] <occy> victory
[01:17] <ogra> Pozac: hmm, so we are both stuck in our youth.....
[01:17] <Pozac> yeh
[01:17] <ogra> occy: great !!
[01:17] <occy> man, thanks for your patience guys
[01:18] <adbak> woot
[01:18] <Tyche> I'm looking to play mp3's any ideas?
[01:18] <Pozac> ogra, where you don't want to change your nick, I'm apparently doomed to make my own apt if I don't want to spend all my time waiting for darn gcc
[01:18] <bluefoxicy> hey
[01:18] <bluefoxicy> http://usrbac.sourceforge.net/misc/screenshot-whitehouse_com.png
[01:18] <ogra> Tyche: you should hear, not look.... will help
[01:18] <bluefoxicy> :)
[01:19] <ogra> Tyche: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:19] <Tyche> ogra: =) Let me rephrase, I'm listening to play mp3's. =)
[01:19] <ogra> Pozac: lol
[01:19] <crimsun> occy:)
[01:19] <martin_> good night everyone, see you tomorrow
[01:19] <theNeonGod> any reason why hald isn't in my /etc/init.d directory?
[01:19] <ogra> martin_: night
[01:20] <theNeonGod> i thought ubuntu was supposed to have hal set up by default?
[01:20] <ogra> theNeonGod: is dbus-1 there ?
[01:20] <theNeonGod> ogra, yes
[01:20] <occy> crimsun: so whenever you like, drop by #fitgeek ;)
[01:20] <occy> hehe
[01:21] <occy> crimsun: oh, have you heard my band yet?  ( ogra too )
[01:21] <ogra> theNeonGod: fine so hal is there too
[01:21] <occy> http://theinterference.com/   <--
[01:21] <occy> some free tunes there, in ogg too.
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[01:21] <ogra> occy: nice name
[01:21] <theNeonGod> ogra, but i can't run the 'removeable storage' app because hald is not running, supposedly
[01:21] <ogra> theNeonGod: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[01:21] <occy> tx
[01:21] <occy> :)
[01:22] <ixane> anyone ever read "The Unix Hater's Handbook"?
[01:22] <ernstp> Is there mono packages for hoary?
[01:22] <ixane> hehe. it's funny so far
[01:22] <ixane> it's free
[01:22] <ixane> just google it
[01:23] <ernstp> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BeagleInstallHowto
[01:23] <ernstp> says: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[01:23] <ixane> the forward make me laugh the most though.  The guy is like 'Unix sucks, and noone else has anything good, so I switched to mac.  no more of this random crashing with 'your program has ended with an error code -l' and whatever.
[01:24] <ixane> obviously written before OSX.  That poor sod has to be thinking 'ARG! IT FOLLOWS ME EVERYWHERE!'
[01:24] <ernstp> so I wrote: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[01:24] <ernstp> But there's no mono there...
[01:25] <theNeonGod> ogra, thanks
[01:25] <Pozac> ernstp, there's problems with mono in hoary atm
[01:25] <ernstp> Pozac, ah, damn.. :-)
[01:26] <ernstp> Pozac, Anyone working on updating gdesklets-data to python 2.4 ?
[01:26] <Pozac> ernstp, you could try pinning mono to warty's release from synaptic
[01:26] <Pozac> not sure how to do it from the shell
[01:26] <ernstp> Pozac, I'll give that a shot..
[01:26] <Tyche> ogra: Thank you.
[01:27] <Pozac> ernstp, python is a huge thing to upgrade, so they just need more time
[01:27] <Pozac> not sure why
[01:27] <theNeonGod> ogra, hmm. it seems to stop periodically. i had to do that just a few minutes after i first did it. still doesn't recognize my external hd though :-/
[01:27] <Pozac> everything everywhere seems to break when python gets updated
[01:27] <ogra> theNeonGod: hoary or warty ?
[01:28] <ixane> wow. how do I kill X without having it respawn like a demon in doom?
[01:28] <theNeonGod> warty
[01:28] <ogra> theNeonGod: weird.....
[01:28] <kayali> ok, I'm starting to understand how ubuntu works, it's lovely actually... Now to understand what I'm missing to play mp3s...
[01:28] <nomasteryoda> the Last Linux Show is on tonight at 9pm ET
[01:28] <ogra> ixane: dont like the demons ?
[01:28] <ixane> this is rigoddamn diculous! my moniter can't support the high res that it's using, but I can't kill X and change xorg.conf
[01:29] <ogra> ixane:  in a terminal: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:29] <ixane> I may have to either A, switch moniters, or B, kill myself instead!
[01:29] <ixane> ogra: I can't get to a bloody terminal!
[01:29] <ixane> that's the point!
[01:29] <Pozac> ixane, ctrl-alt-f1?
[01:29] <kayali> ixane: edit xorg.conf from a terminal :)
[01:29] <ogra> ixane: ctrl-alt-f1
[01:29] <ixane> aha!
[01:29] <Pozac> ixane, do that or add 'single' to the boot line from grub
[01:29] <Pozac> then it will boot to a terminal
[01:29] <ixane> ogra: you rock
[01:29] <ixane> I have quite a bit to learn about linux still
[01:30] <ogra> ixane: there do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:30] <ogra> ixane: if it isnt enough; sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[01:30] <Pozac> (I want apt reconfigure .. waaah)
[01:30] <ogra> Pozac: there is a "single" menuoption btw
[01:31] <ogra> Pozac: that wouldnt fit the naming scheme
[01:31] <Pozac> ogra, doh, my bad
[01:31] <Pozac> ogra, dpkg is out of the naming scheme
[01:31] <Pozac> well
[01:31] <ogra> Pozac: nope....tehy are different progs
[01:31] <Pozac> yes yes
[01:31] <Pozac> I want them all in one
[01:32] <ogra> Pozac: for different tasks......
[01:32] <Pozac> with a main task selection first (without --) and options next
[01:32] <ixane> is there like a default password for ubuntu?
[01:32] <ixane> for root?
[01:32] <Pozac> no
[01:32] <Agrajag> no
[01:32] <ixane> DAMMIT!
[01:32] <Pozac> Root is disabled
[01:32] <Agrajag> root is locked
[01:32] <Pozac> use sudo
[01:32] <ixane> arg
[01:32] <LucaBrasi> what's warty-release-live-i386.iso
[01:32] <ogra> ixane: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:32] <LucaBrasi> whats the live all about?
[01:32] <ogra> LucaBrasi: a live cd
[01:33] <LucaBrasi> as in you boot it from cd?
[01:33] <LucaBrasi> no hdd install?
[01:33] <ogra> LucaBrasi: the system runs from the cd without touching your disk
[01:33] <Pozac> yeh
[01:33] <LucaBrasi> hm not possible to install extra apps etc then?
[01:33] <ernstp> Pozac, can only find a few mono packages there too...
[01:33] <ernstp> Pozac, maybe I should mention that I'm running AMD 64?
[01:33] <ogra> ixane: its disabled because  freak golfing accidents
[01:34] <ogra> ;)
[01:34] <Pozac> ernstp, I don't know, sorry.. guess it's warty or wait :/
[01:34] <stuNNed_> does 2.6.9 in unstable fix hsf modem issues?
[01:35] <ernstp> Pozac, yup.
[01:35] <ogra> ernstp: dunno, but probably the tseng repo has more http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[01:35] <LucaBrasi> does the amd64 version really run any better/faster on amd64 platforms?
[01:35] <ogra> LucaBrasi: it uses extra registers in the processor, so i assume .... yes
[01:35] <ernstp> ogra, oooh, breakmyubunutu.. just what I've been waiting for! thanks!
[01:36] <ogra> ernstp: but i'm not sure if its not only software for mono
[01:37] <ogra> hehe
[01:37] <stuNNed_> ogra, what is your repo?
[01:37] <ogra> stuNNed_: www.grawert.net/software/
[01:37] <optimized> can anyone hep out a NooB??
[01:37] <stuNNed_> ogra, danke shein
[01:37] <adbak> optimized: what seems to be the problem?
[01:37] <ogra> heh, bitte
[01:38] <ycco> sorry for the part/join
[01:38] <optimized> well, i need help trying to get Ubuntu to detect my wireless network card
[01:38] <adbak> ycco: don't worry about it :)
[01:38] <ycco> adbak: :)
[01:38] <optimized> its a BLITZZ card
[01:38] <ycco> <-- occy
[01:39] <ycco> on another lappie
[01:39] <ycco> heh
[01:39] <optimized> are Linksys more widely accepted in linux>
[01:39] <kayali> hum... since the quality is not configurable in sound-juicer, anyone can tell me what setting is used by default?
[01:39] <ixane> ok, so why can't I type anything when I use sudo?
[01:39] <optimized> cause i can return it and grab a Linksys instead
[01:39] <Pozac> the Cerkinfo repository needs more media coverage
[01:40] <crimsun> optimized: the manufacturer brand isn't important, the actual chipset is.
[01:40] <optimized> ok, how can i go about finidng the chipset
[01:40] <crimsun> ixane: come again?
[01:40] <optimized> have any idea
[01:40] <ogra> Pozac: i'm not sure if anyone has tested these packages yet
[01:40] <ernstp> ogra, ok, I think the real problem here is that I'm running AMD64...
[01:40] <crimsun> optimized: might try a simple web search for "Linux 802.11"
[01:40] <crimsun> optimized: or something along those terms
[01:41] <ogra> ernstp: no source pkgs ?
[01:41] <optimized> ok, i will try
[01:42] <Pozac> ogra, I am trying them now... not that I'm anyone
[01:42] <ernstp> ogra, well... can't find any for mono..
[01:42] <ogra> Pozac: at least you are one (or so)
[01:42] <kayali> optimized: anything writen on the card itself?
[01:42] <Pozac> ernstp, the tseng one?
[01:43] <Pozac> not sure
[01:43] <optimized> umm, let me look
[01:43] <ycco> hmm
[01:43] <ogra> ernstp: hmm, got no amd64 here.....but in tseng there are src packages for the provided stuff....there should be mono source packages anywhere in universe
[01:44] <optimized> nope
[01:44] <ycco> Had to do it in gconf IIRC
[01:44] <optimized> it looks the exact same as a D-Link extreme-G
[01:44] <ogra> ycco: anywhere in the desktop settings
[01:44] <optimized> wireless PCI card
[01:45] <ernstp> ogra, hhmm, yes, I think I did something right now..
[01:45] <optimized> does anyone here have a wireless setup?? and if so, what components>
[01:46] <ycco> ogra: I think I had to specifically look for it in gconf
[01:46] <Pozac> ogra, it seems there are some conflicts with other packages when using that repo.. at least apt bails instead of breaking my system
[01:46] <optimized> cause i'm all for returning it and going with a more widely used setup
[01:46] <optimized> I had tried earlier to get ndiswrapper installed
[01:46] <ernstp> how do I make  apt-get -b source mono  pull dependencies also?
[01:46] <ogra> Pozac: looks like the prob with marillat.... is libpng in the errors ?
[01:47] <optimized> but since my host name was not recognized over the network (i don;t have one yet) then it disabled some things in Gnome
[01:47] <optimized> can't open the package manager
[01:47] <optimized> or root terminal
[01:47] <ogra> ernstp: sudo apt-get build-dep <packagename> && apt-get source -b <packagename> && dpkg -i <package.deb>
[01:47] <Pozac> ogra, don't know yet.. I'm having some problems removing liblame0 without losing what I have marked for install in synaptic
[01:47] <optimized> and it seems to be defaulting to the web to install packages, instead of using the CD
[01:48] <ogra> ernstp: there is missing one sudo before dpkg
[01:48] <elmo> anyone using Rosetta or editing or the wiki or anything else, might want to hold off for 5 mins
[01:48] <optimized> i edited the sources.list, and only commented the CD
[01:48] <Pozac> ogra, seems I have to clear my selection and only uninstall liblame0 before I'm allowed to install the other one
[01:48] <optimized> , uncommented all the websites
[01:48] <optimized> yet it still wants to check and DL strictly from the web
[01:49] <ogra> Pozac: hmm, where is liblame0 from ?
[01:49] <optimized> doesn't even take a look at the cd
[01:49] <Pozac> ogra, liblame0.0.0.0 or something from liblame0..
[01:49] <optimized> in terminal, how can i go about looking for the chipset manufacturer?
[01:49] <kayali> hum... how can I edit id3tags?
[01:49] <ogra> optimized: try apt-cdrom
[01:49] <ogra> kayali: try cantus3
[01:50] <ernstp> ogra, got it. thanks.
[01:50] <kayali> ogra: does it come with ubuntu?
[01:50] <ogra> kayali: its in universe, you have to install it
[01:50] <ernstp> ogra, I'll have to put this online if noone has built this stuff before!
[01:50] <optimized> when i log in, it says cannot look up the internet adress of debian (what i used for my host name)
[01:50] <Pozac> optimized, try lspci
[01:50] <optimized> thiis will prevent Gnome form operating correcty
[01:50] <ogra> ernstp: ask on the ubuntu-devel mailing list.....
[01:50] <scoon> optimized, try lspci -v
[01:51] <optimized> ok
[01:51] <scoon> optimized, or try dmesg | less and read it slowly
[01:51] <ernstp> optimized, debian 127.0.0.1 in hosts ?
[01:51] <ogra> optimized: sudo ifup lo
[01:51] <optimized> umm, ok
[01:51] <optimized> which one do i try first?
[01:51] <optimized> :)
[01:51] <ogra> optimized: but this shouldnt be missing
[01:52] <optimized> Ethernet conmtroller
[01:52] <optimized> Atheros Communications
[01:53] <optimized> AR5212
[01:53] <ogra> optimized: the local loopback device is used for process communication in linux... tu start the interface do: sudo ifup lo
[01:53] <optimized> 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
[01:53] <andreasvc> does the Ubuntu community know about www.cacert.org? they could get a free signed certificate
[01:53] <scoon> ogra, all tho, loopback should start on boot, if it does not then something is terribly fucked up
[01:53] <ogra> optimized: then care for the rest.... lo is very important
[01:54] <ogra> scoon: thats what i said before... but the gdm error indicates a missing lo
[01:54] <optimized> yulp
[01:54] <optimized> error
[01:54] <optimized> unabel to look up public/pickup
[01:54] <Pozac> I'm off to bed
[01:54] <optimized> No such file or directory
[01:55] <Pozac> bye all
[01:55] <ogra> night
[01:55] <optimized> Ignoring unkown interface lo=lo
[01:56] <scoon> orga, sorry - i just logged in.
[01:56] <scoon> optimized, what does ifconfig show ?
[01:57] <optimized> i typed in ifconfig
[01:57] <optimized> and nothing came up
[01:57] <ogra> optimized: is this a warty default installation ?
[01:57] <optimized> tried sudo ifconfig
[01:57] <optimized> yulp
[01:57] <optimized> fresh out of the install
[01:57] <Falc> I'm new to Ubuntu and I was trying to install vlc earlier. Now, while searching the web I found the actual directory of the repository, containing both 0.7.2 versions and 0.8 versions. However, when I added the repository to synaptic, only the 0.7.2 showup, any idea how I can get the other ones to show up?
[01:58] <andreasvc> Falc: just uncomment the universe line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:59] <ogra> Falc: they need newer librarys i guess.... the 0.7.2 pkgs are in universe anyway
[01:59] <scoon> optimized, i would do a dmesg | less and read over it real slow to see what has gone wrong.
[01:59] <optimized> when i do a lspci -v, it tells me that the Subsystem is D-Link System Inc. Unkown device 3a95
[01:59] <Dko> Umm I should be able to use the javac command if I installed JRE and JDK right?
[01:59] <elmo__> all done, sorry for the noise/inconvenience
[02:00] <optimized> Flags: bus master, medium devesel, latency 168, IRQ 209
[02:00] <Falc> andreasvc: I did, that's why I can see the 0.7.2 versions, but the others are in the exact same dir in the repository and don't show in synaptic...
[02:01] <ogra> Falc: did you relod the package lists ?
[02:01] <scoon> optimized, so does your loopback work ?
[02:01] <Dko> Umm I should be able to use the javac command if I installed JRE and JDK right?
[02:01] <Falc> ogra: yes, more than once
[02:01] <ernstp> dh_testdir -s
[02:01] <ernstp> dh_testdir: I have no package to build
[02:01] <ernstp> make: *** [binary-arch]  Fel 1
[02:01] <ernstp> Byggkommandot "cd mono-1.0.4 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc" misslyckades.
[02:01] <ernstp> E: Barnprocessen misslyckades
[02:01] <optimized> scoon, how do i look?
[02:02] <optimized> sry, new to linux
[02:02] <ernstp> damn, no mono for me..
[02:02] <ogra> Falc: so as i said, they will need newer libs i guess
[02:02] <scoon> optimized, ifconfig
[02:02] <optimized> nope
[02:02] <optimized> nothing
[02:02] <scoon> optimized, you do not need to be sudo for that either.
[02:02] <ogra> Falc: wont work on warty
[02:02] <kayali> it's really sad thet rhythmbox can not edit id3tags...
[02:02] <optimized> if i type in ifconfig it just does nothing
[02:02] <ogra> Falc: just take the 0.7.2 pkgs from warty
[02:02] <ernstp> kayali, 0.9 in cvs can!
[02:02] <scoon> optimized, so when you were installing, did you see any err's
[02:02] <ogra> kayali: do you know C ?
[02:02] <optimized> well, it coould not detect my network device
[02:03] <optimized> said i didn;t have one installed
[02:03] <kayali> ogra: a very little bit
[02:03] <optimized> then it asked for my host name
[02:03] <ogra> kayali: so you could try to implement it ;)
[02:03] <Dko> Umm I should be able to use the javac command if I installed JRE and JDK right?
[02:03] <kayali> ogra: ernstp said it's in cvs :)
[02:03] <optimized> then told me when i tried to log in, that because it could not find my hostname debian Gnome will not work correctly
[02:03] <ogra> kayali: as audio burning is ;)
[02:04] <kayali> ogra: ok, so this app is going somewhere :)
[02:04] <optimized> i cannot get into the package manager
[02:04] <ogra> kayali: i think so....
[02:04] <scoon> optimized, your wireless card will be someting to worry about AFTER you get your loopback working
[02:04] <optimized> nor the Root terminal
[02:04] <ycco> found it:  http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2004-November/008967.html   for anyone wanting emacs keybindings...
[02:04] <Falc> right... now I finaly get Totem to actually open the video files... but all I see is a blue rectangle unless I move the window around, or go fullscreen
[02:04] <kayali> ogra: soon we'll have the Rhythmnbox Music Store, selling oggs ;)
[02:04] <ogra> kayali: rhythmbox will become a all in one app for audio i think
[02:04] <ogra> heh
[02:05] <optimized> ok scoon, how can i get my loopback back in working order??
[02:05] <Dko> Did I insult someone?  Is that why my questions are rarely answerd?
[02:05] <scoon> well what other errs did you see when you installed ?
[02:05] <optimized> andwhat caused it to stop working?
[02:05] <optimized> nothing
[02:05] <optimized> that was it
[02:05] <optimized> it installed fine
[02:05] <scoon> optimized, ifconfig lo up
[02:06] <ogra> Dko: yes (to your question)
[02:06] <scoon> optimized, what does that do for you
[02:06] <optimized> PERMISSION DENIED
[02:06] <ogra> Dko: no (to the insultion)
[02:06] <scoon> optimized, you need sudo for that command
[02:06] <ogra> optimized: sudo
[02:06] <Dko> Ohh okies.  Ok then something is messed up.  The command doesn't work.
[02:07] <optimized> sudo: unable to lookup debian via goesbythatname()
[02:07] <ernstp> kayali, but it's not very good yet, only one file at a time. THAT could be improved!
[02:07] <ogra> Dko: try  java -version
[02:07] <optimized> postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[02:07] <Dko> I get Umm I should be able to use the javac command if I installed JRE and JDK right?
[02:07] <Dko> gehh ><
[02:08] <DaNewB> How come sometimes the "Log Out" dialog doesnt show "shut down computer" and "reboot" options?
[02:08] <Dko> java version "1.5.0_01"
[02:08] <Dko> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_01-b08)
[02:08] <Dko> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_01-b08, mixed mode, sharing)
[02:08] <Dko> I get that
[02:08] <ogra> Dko: looks ok
[02:08] <scoon> optomized, that should be your first line in /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost debian
[02:08] <ogra> Dko: did you follow the wiki ? http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[02:08] <scoon> optimized, and then re-try that ifconfig lo up
[02:09] <optimized> nano hosts?
[02:09] <kayali> nano -w
[02:09] <ogra> optimized: sudo nano /etc/hosts
[02:09] <optimized> ok, wrote the line
[02:09] <Dko> Havn't followed wiki it seams.  Ill try it out
[02:10] <optimized> it only had 127.0.0.1
[02:10] <optimized> so i added the rest
[02:10] <scoon> optimized, os then try ifconfig lo up
[02:10] <DaNewB> Anyone else got this problem?
[02:10] <ogra> Dko: method 2 is the best one... cares for environment nd firefox plugin too
[02:10] <optimized> ok, sudo ifconfig lo up
[02:10] <optimized> nothing
[02:11] <ogra> optimized: great
[02:11] <scoon> optimized, now do ifconfig
[02:11] <ogra> optimized: what does ifconfig say
[02:11] <scoon> optimized, no news is good news w/ linux
[02:11] <kayali> hey, hoary and gnome 2.9.2/2.9.3 are pretty stable... that's surprising ;)
[02:11] <optimized> UP LOOPBACK RUNNING
[02:11] <ernstp> kayali, not here.. :-)
[02:11] <andreasvc> when will hoary be released?
[02:12] <scoon> optimized, well there you go.  it is all ok now.
[02:12] <ogra> kayali: shhh, dont say it to loud .... it could break
[02:12] <optimized> ok, now what do i do?
[02:12] <kayali> ogra: it will I guess :)
[02:12] <ogra> andreasvc: april
[02:12] <scoon> now do a google search on your card's chipset and come back w/ some other ?'s
[02:12] <optimized> hehehehe
[02:12] <optimized> well, how about ndiswrapper
[02:12] <optimized> i read that if i get that installed
[02:12] <scoon> optimized, for a great linux primer check out tldp.org
[02:12] <ogra> optimized: first you now can login into gnome :(
[02:12] <ogra> oops
[02:12] <ogra> :)
[02:13] <kayali> ernstp: I love the new menus and how it all makes everything cleaner...
[02:13] <optimized> i can get the driver (XP) and then actually install it onto the system, corrct?
[02:13] <scoon> optimized, find out if you need that. your card may work w/o that miserable hack.
[02:13] <optimized> ahh, ok
[02:13] <DaNewB> My Log Out dialog is weird...
[02:14] <optimized> do a google search on the Arethos chipset?
[02:14] <ogra> optimized: if you are REALLY SURE you need it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[02:14] <Falc> is there a way to generate a list of all installed packages that are not dependencies for any other installed packages?
[02:14] <optimized> well, if i really do not need it, i should prolly look and see how others have gotten it to work, right?
[02:15] <ogra> optimized: is it a pci card ?
[02:15] <optimized> yulp
[02:15] <andreasvc> Falc: deborphan
[02:15] <ogra> optimized: sudo modprobe ath_pci
[02:15] <optimized> its the Blitzz BWI 715
[02:15] <ogra> optimized: then look in dmesg
[02:15] <ernstp> kayali, yes, that's great! but I've been having some problems with the desktop simply not showing up etc..
[02:16] <optimized> ok, typed it in, and nothing happened
[02:16] <kayali> ernstp: oh yeah, mine shows up only every two boots... negligeable problem ;)
[02:16] <ogra> optimized: type dmesg
[02:16] <ogra> optimized: and look at the last lines
[02:17] <optimized> ok, what am i looking for?
[02:17] <ernstp> kayali, right, then we have the same problem :-)
[02:18] <optimized> I have a ton of stuff
[02:18] <ogra> optimized: something regarding the ath_pci module or your card
[02:18] <optimized> ok, nothing about ath_pci module
[02:19] <optimized> but it does say ath_pci: no version for "ieee80211_ioctl_siwrate"
[02:19] <optimized> found: kernel tainted
[02:19] <LeeColleton> does anyone know which driver I should use for the Epson Stylus CX4600 ?
[02:20] <kayali> LeeColleton: gimp-print-ijs
[02:20] <optimized> ath_pci: 0.9.4.0 (EXPERIMENTAL)
[02:20] <nyktovus> how can i change my face in the chooser?
[02:20] <ogra> optimized: so it got loaded.....
[02:20] <the--dud> is k3b fully supported in ubuntu? even dvd burning?
[02:20] <LeeColleton> kayali: is it in a package of the same name?
[02:21] <ogra> the--dud: k3b is not supported at all
[02:21] <the--dud> why not?
[02:21] <kayali> LeeColleton: sorry, this is my first day with ubuntu, I don't know :)
[02:21] <ogra> the--dud: as every software from universe is
[02:21] <the--dud> ok, what i meant to ask was does it work?
[02:21] <optimized> so does that mean it works?
[02:21] <LeeColleton> kayali: thanks anyway
[02:22] <kayali> LeeColleton: Epson printers are very well supported with linux. goto localhost:631 and install it from there, should be straight forward
[02:22] <optimized> and would a newer kernel maybe have support for it?
[02:22] <ogra> the--dud: its tricky to install, because kde does some weird insecure stuff... but once installed it should work
[02:22] <optimized> like the 2.6.10-rc3 version?
[02:22] <the--dud> is there a fully featured graphical burner for gnome?
[02:22] <nyktovus> face browser? chooser? anyone know how i can customize mine?
[02:22] <the--dud> similar to k3b?
[02:22] <ogra> optimized: it should work right now....
[02:22] <stuNNed_> it's premature but looks like ubuntu 2.6.9 fixes issues with hsf linuxant modem
[02:22] <ernstp> the--dud, check out gnomefiles.org
[02:23] <ogra> the--dud: nope, not yet
[02:23] <the--dud> arg...
[02:23] <ogra> the--dud: there are some attemts though.....
[02:23] <the--dud> i see, any decent command line tools?
[02:23] <mojo> hello amigos
[02:23] <ogra> the--dud: rhythmboy will have audio burn support in the next major release
[02:23] <ogra> the--dud: box
[02:23] <the--dud> hmm
[02:24] <the--dud> i see
[02:24] <the--dud> but i want dvd data burning support
[02:24] <ogra> the--dud: nautilus already does data burning by default
[02:24] <Dko> Gehh! >< I tried my hardest to figure out those instructions. But I ended up banging my head into a wall
[02:24] <hypa7ia> i got my cd's today *dance dance*
[02:24] <optimized> how can i check
[02:24] <mojo> can some1 show me which folder contains .desktop file of Main Menu entries?
[02:24] <the--dud> or rather, dvd movies....
[02:24] <ogra> the--dud: not sure about dvd though
[02:24] <ogra> the--dud: so you are doomed to use k3b atm
[02:25] <hypa7ia> mojo: /home/$user/Desktop
[02:25] <optimized> well, cannot access the net
[02:25] <the--dud> technically, for an application, the only difference between dvd and cd, is the size
[02:25] <optimized> nor do a sudo apt-get update
[02:25] <mojo> no, not Desktop, I mean the Main Menu one
[02:25] <optimized> should i reboot?
[02:25] <ogra> optimized: you have to set up the network stuff
[02:25] <stuNNed_> ogra, was going to burn a mac disc today as an iso but linux couldn't  read the disc format
[02:25] <optimized> hmm, ok
[02:26] <ogra> stuNNed_: sure it was iso ?
[02:26] <hypa7ia> mojo: the one in computer > Desktop?
[02:26] <optimized> ok, Network name(ESSID)
[02:26] <optimized> what to add??
[02:26] <d_i> Someone who could help me?
[02:26] <mojo> no
[02:26] <|QuaD|> does anyone know of an xml viewer?
[02:26] <mojo> the one in Applications
[02:26] <ogra> optimized: dunno, its your network
[02:26] <jclochesy> I'm having a very slow internet response... DNS type problem... is this common?
[02:26] <optimized> where do i find that info?
[02:27] <ogra> optimized: if in doubt use ANY
[02:27] <Dko> Can someone help me install Java? Because I looked at this and it confused me to no end. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[02:27] <d_i> Is it true that i can order Ubuntu cd's for free ?!..
[02:27] <optimized> ogra, pm?
[02:27] <jclochesy> d_i, got mine in the mail today
[02:27] <d_i> total free..
[02:27] <d_i> ?
[02:27] <hypa7ia> mojo: i don't see a Desktop item in there, sorry
[02:27] <jclochesy> d_i, totally free
[02:27] <hypa7ia> d_i: yup, i got mine today!
[02:28] <|QuaD|> mojo: ?
[02:28] <Dko> d_i: Yep, just will take a while
[02:28] <jclochesy> I'm having a very slow internet response... DNS type problem... is this common?
[02:28] <yummyluv> when i try to boot off my live cd, when it starts x11 my monitor gets no signal, ive tried many configurations including failsafe
[02:28] <yummyluv> what gives?
[02:29] <hypa7ia> yummyluv: laptop perchance?
[02:29] <mojo> |Quad| How to remove an entry in Applications menu?
[02:29] <yummyluv> no desktop
[02:29] <d_i> Anyone how long time it will take to ship the cd's to Denmark?!
[02:29] <macewan> just installed openoffice 2, well a snapshot atleast
[02:29] <mojo> |Quad|: I think must delete some .desktop file but I dunno where
[02:29] <kayali> macewan: how is it?
[02:29] <optimized> ogra, can i PM??
[02:29] <jclochesy> DNS problem... does anyone know how to fix it?
[02:29] <macewan> blah
[02:29] <the--dud> i guess it wont kill me to have ~50 or so MB or kdelibs, to get k3b working...
[02:30] <mojo> jclochesy: check the IP6 issue, disable IP6 in FireFox
[02:30] <macewan> OOo that comes with ubuntu is quite fine right now
[02:30] <jclochesy> mojo, disable it?  I thought it was the other way around?
[02:30] <mojo> jclochesy: go to http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:30] <Dko> Could someone tell me what multiverse is? Maybe that would help me because it seams I require it. ><
[02:30] <mojo> jclochesy: no, IP6 is slower than IP4
[02:30] <ogra> mojo ??
[02:31] <mojo> ogra: fix me if I'm wrong
[02:31] <ogra> you are
[02:31] <kayali> Dko: it's a ubuntu repository, some place where you'll find packages to install
[02:31] <jdub> Dko: multiverse is where non-free software lives. it's equivalent to contrib and non-free in debian.
[02:31] <hypa7ia> Dko: multiverse is the non-free portion of universe
[02:31] <ogra> :)
[02:31] <mojo> ogra: ^-^, ppl is not perfect, mistakes is common
[02:31] <ogra> heh
[02:32] <hypa7ia> main:restricted :: universe:multiverse... or so it would say on the Ubuntu SAT's :-)
[02:32] <jclochesy> mojo, yes, it's set that way... but still very slow on resolving...  X-Chat took forever to find freenode as well
[02:32] <ogra> mojo: the prob are misconfigured dns servers that dont speak v6 proper....
[02:33] <Dko> *sighs* That doesn't help me at all. :/
[02:33] <mojo> ogra: i see
[02:33] <mojo> jclochesy: are u using DHCP from ADSL?
[02:33] <ogra> optimized: look at point 6 at this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[02:33] <kayali> Dko: you want java right?
[02:33] <Dko> yea.
[02:33] <jclochesy> dhcp on cable
[02:33] <ogra> optimized: look at the wlan0 config in the file
[02:34] <kayali> Dko: Java is non free software, hence, it's found in a special ubuntu repository called multiverse
[02:34] <d_i> Anywhere i can get a package list so i can see what kind of software that comes with ubuntu?
[02:34] <ogra> optimized: you should call your device ath0 instead of wlan0 but use similar settings (fitting your network indeed)
[02:35] <mojo> Dko: in multiverse, you still only can find the dependencies, you MUST download another Deb version outside, I got the file but I forget where to download it
[02:35] <ogra> kayali: java is not in multiverse
[02:35] <jclochesy> mojo, any other ideas?
[02:35] <optimized> ok, i went through the setup wizard
[02:35] <kayali> ogra: oops...
[02:35] <mojo> Dko: go to google and search for this sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[02:35] <ogra> Dko: first install the ava-package
[02:35] <mojo> jclochesy: cable he?
[02:35] <mojo> jclochesy: ....
[02:35] <ogra> Dko:  java-package
[02:35] <optimized> it keeps cycling through power and active on the back
[02:36] <mojo> jclochesy: go to the Modem bios via Web Browser
[02:36] <kayali> ogra: poor powerpc user here, knows nothing about java :(
[02:36] <ogra> Dko: then get the sun binary file mentioned in the wiki
[02:36] <ogra> kayali: i would love to change ;)
[02:36] <jclochesy> hmmm
[02:36] <kayali> ogra: java is useless on ppc, since we get no plugin
[02:36] <ogra> kayali: (the HW)
[02:36] <LeeColleton> kayali: when I go to localhost:631 it says that i have to use the non-working GUI and that admin functions have been restricted.  How do I reenable them?
[02:37] <optimized> when i try to activate it, it turns itself off
[02:37] <ogra> kayali: so its useless in browsers
[02:37] <mojo> Dko: dont go for the way in the wiki, it's shit way, do my way, search for sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb, install it and then download the java-common package in multiverse, done!
[02:37] <mojo> jclochesy: you know how?
[02:37] <|QuaD|> blah i need something to make it easy to read this xml file!
[02:37] <jclochesy> mojo, I don't know how to get to the modem... I can get to my router
[02:37] <mojo> |QuaD| gedit is good
[02:37] <ogra> optimized: are the settings you made right ?
[02:38] <kayali> ogra: indeed. only konqueror can view java applets since it 'talks' directly to the JRE, but it still fails 50% of the time, and it requires kde :)
[02:38] <optimized> well, not sure what to do for the Connection settings
[02:38] <mojo> jclochesy: ok, can u tell me about ur network structure, how many modem, how many router, how they connect?
[02:38] <|QuaD|> mojo: not really.. not when you have a 2000+ line xml file
[02:38] <ogra> mojo: does it set up the environment and the plugin correctly ?
[02:38] <optimized> i left them on Automatci
[02:38] <optimized> found my SSID
[02:38] <mojo> ogra: yes, more perfect! I got this way from an Debian expert
[02:38] <Dko> mojo: I think I found it and i have it dling now.
[02:38] <optimized> and disabled a WEP
[02:39] <jclochesy> mojo, it's just a modem from road runner connected to a router... which connects to this pc... i have had it working in fedora, mandrake, linspire...ect...
[02:39] <ogra> mojo: method 2 from the wiki worked for me on about 50 installs perfectly
[02:39] <jclochesy> mojo, so I'm thinking there must be something internally
[02:39] <optimized> I figurd it would be easier if i didnt have encryption on right now
[02:39] <ogra> mojo: personally i think its the best one
[02:39] <mojo> Dko: after installing it, go to Synaptic and install sun-j2sdk1.5debian, ALL DONE!
[02:39] <mojo> jclochesy: hmm
[02:40] <jclochesy> mojo, yeah...very strange
[02:40] <mojo> ur router?
[02:40] <jclochesy> mojo, I have another pc on the router, and an ibook connected wirelessy
[02:40] <jclochesy> mojo, those work fine
[02:40] <Dko> mojo: Ok thanks.  Much better then the majorly confusing instructions on hte wiki site
[02:40] <jclochesy> mojo, it's a dlink, filtering by mac
[02:40] <kayali> jclochesy: is it a LiveBox by any chance?
[02:40] <mojo> jclochesy: I don't think so
[02:41] <ogra> mojo: would you add it to the wiki ?
[02:41] <jclochesy> kayali, nope....just a regular old dlink
[02:41] <jclochesy> mojo, what don't you think?
[02:41] <mojo> ogra: can't due to some PATENT Issues, you're not allowed to Debianize even Java
[02:41] <mojo> ogra: so my way is better but illegal
[02:41] <ogra> mojo: the instructions...not the package
[02:42] <mojo> ogra: yeah, same
[02:42] <mojo> ogra: I've asked about it already
[02:42] <mojo> jclochesy: I used to have same prob on my stupid Modem Router ADSL
[02:43] <ogra> mojo: sorry, i cant imagine that anyone at canonical is upset if you add instructions
[02:43] <mojo> jclochesy: I rang the ISP, and they show me to go to the bios, changing the NAT and DNS to their latest changes, (they changed without noticing me)
[02:43] <mojo> ogra: OK then. let me try
[02:43] <Falc> how do I add something to an empty applications menu?
[02:44] <ogra> Falc: how did you empty it ?
[02:44] <jclochesy> mojo, hmmm I'm on business class road runner... I wonder if that matters?
[02:44] <Falc> I uninstalled everything that was listed under Multimedia
[02:44] <ogra> mojo: nice thanks....
[02:44] <mojo> jclochesy: maybe
[02:45] <mojo> jclochesy: can u send me the picture of ur network?
[02:45] <jclochesy> mojo, I don't have one
[02:45] <jclochesy> mojo, a picture
[02:45] <Falc> now there's still a Multimedia entry in the menu, but it doesn't show anything, just a tiny tiny rectangle which doesn't respond to right-clicks
[02:46] <mojo> jclochesy: it's hard for me to visualize ur net, so I need one if you can, maybe my CCNP skill is enough to solve this DNS issue
[02:46] <ogra> Falc: on warty ?
[02:46] <Falc> yes
[02:47] <ogra> Falc: run nautilus, hit ctrl-L and type applications://
[02:47] <Falc> ah, thanks
[02:47] <ogra> Falc: then add launcers as you like ;)
[02:48] <Falc> weird, multimedia doesn't actually show up in there anymore... ah well
[02:48] <ogra> Falc: you probably need to restart the panel if it doesnt show up
[02:48] <ogra> Falc: the things you added i mean
[02:50] <jclochesy> mojo, ready
[02:52] <Dko> mojo: Ok I do a dpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb and get a few dependancy errors which the page I went to said would happen. So I did a apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5debian.  That gives me a bunch of stuff like package missing and what not. ><
[02:53] <Blackwell> Dko: do you need to install it inside the package system? if not, to go without is much simpler as far as i know.
[02:53] <mojo> Dko: are u sure u get correct one?
[02:53] <kayali> actually, it looks like gnome is pretty much inspired by Mac OS X
[02:53] <mojo> Dko: http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu
[02:54] <ogra> kayali: its better ;)
[02:54] <Blackwell> kayali: gnome, like kde, can probably configured to match the l&f of many different systems, i guess.
[02:54] <occy> ogra: you have a personal website?
[02:54] <occy> crimsun: you have a personal website?
[02:54] <Blackwell> must not mistake the omnipresent "sudo" approach in ubuntu with gnome either.
[02:55] <Blackwell> ooh, web page collector
[02:55] <ogra> mojo: oh, its from davyd ..... great !! 8)
[02:55] <occy> feel free to msg me if you don't want to share with the channel.
[02:55] <ogra> mojo: so its sure the better choice....but he will know why it was not mentioned in the wiki yet
[02:56] <Dko> *sighs* Yep thats the page ive was looking at.  I think I have to make shure multiverse is in my sources.list. How would I do that?
[02:56] <ogra> occy: www.grawert.net
[02:56] <kayali> Blackwell: of course, I was talking about how gnome apps are envolving
[02:56] <mojo> Dko: open an xterm
[02:56] <occy> ogra: cool, found it with just googleing for ogra and ubuntu ;)
[02:56] <ogra> hehe
[02:56] <occy> ogra: sweet website
[02:57] <d_i> can i access ntfs hdds with ubuntu ?!
[02:57] <mojo> Dko: then type in sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:57] <ogra> Dko: multiverse: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/
[02:57] <mojo> Dko: then add in a line to the bottom
[02:57] <mojo> Dko: the line is:
[02:57] <maximaus> d_i: ja, du kan. :P
[02:58] <ogra> occy: thanks :)
[02:58] <d_i> maximaus, hehe cool :)
[02:58] <maximaus> d_i,  you just need to edit /etc fstab so that it mounts on boot.
[02:58] <mojo> Dko: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse
[02:58] <d_i> Ok great - easy stuff :)
[02:58] <ChrisC_> hey quick newbie question:  how do I add an application (that I've installed) to the Application menu?
[02:59] <maximaus> ChrisC_,  there's a right click context menu to do this.
[02:59] <mojo> ChrisC_: go to the main Menu, right click Entire Menu > Add this as Menu...
[02:59] <ChrisC_> ok I tried right-clicking but now in the right place ... thanks
[02:59] <ChrisC_> s/now/not
[03:00] <mojo> Dko:
[03:00] <mojo> wait
[03:00] <maximaus> anyone know of an easy way to edit runlevels with ubuntu, or are the services sane? I'm coming from Fedora.
[03:01] <Dko> huh?
[03:01] <Falc> probably the last question for the day: when I choose to shut down my computer, it goes through the entire process and then ends with a 'Power down' message on my screen. How can I make it turn off the power by itself?
[03:01] <mojo> Dko: my mistake, pls fix 'hoary' to 'warty'!!!!! VERY IMPORTANT!!
[03:01] <ogra> maximaus: the services are quite sane as they are
[03:01] <occy> ogra: I'm guessing the crimsun listed on debian planet is probably the same one in here?
[03:01] <hypa7ia> Falc: that's an acpi issue
[03:01] <maximaus> cool, I'll leave be. :D
[03:01] <ogra> Dko: or just follow the howto
[03:01] <Dko> k
[03:02] <ironwolf> apt in latest hoary appears broken... fyi
[03:02] <zenwhen> o
[03:02] <ogra> occy: probably, i dunno, we never met :)
[03:02] <mojo> ironwolf: no, check urs again!
[03:02] <Zotnix> I've search through google and tried adding none            /proc/bus/usb   usbfs   defaults,devmode=0666   0  0 to get my scanner to be usable by normal users... however upon startup it says the mount point does not exist.
[03:02] <kayali> how can I tell to my gnome that I don't need him to launch cdplayer each time I insert an audio cd?
[03:02] <occy> ogra: heh, k
[03:02] <d_i> of to bed - cya all
[03:02] <Zotnix> I saved the other default /proc entry in the fstab... anyway to get my scanner usable by non-root user?
[03:02] <suriya> I want to add a new directory to PATH (for a user), which file should I change? gdm does not source ~/.bash_profile
[03:02] <ogra> ironwolf: nope, there is ust some documetation missing
[03:03] <occy> ogra: occy.net (left column)
[03:03] <occy> ;)
[03:03] <Falc> any way I can configure ACPI to shut down? I know it's possible (or at least used to be...)
[03:03] <maximaus> kayali,  Computer/Desktop Preferences/Removable media
[03:03] <Zotnix> suriya, .bashrc
[03:03] <ogra> ironwolf: it now uses pgp singning on the pkgs
[03:03] <ironwolf> mojo: ogra: W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[03:03] <kayali> maximaus: thanks
[03:03] <ironwolf> how does one fix that?
[03:03] <ogra> ironwolf: yep
[03:03] <mojo> ironwolf: heh? weird!!
[03:03] <mojo> ironwolf: reinstall apt man
[03:03] <ogra> ironwolf: dunno.... i think mvo has set something up on the wiki
[03:04] <ogra> ironwolf:  but i'm not sure
[03:04] <suriya> Zontix, will that be sourced even if I do not open an interactive shell?
[03:04] <ogra> ironwolf: you will need the gpg key.....
[03:04] <Fergi> hi all, i'm looking for a front-end for LaTeX, i tried Kile, but its only works in KDE, any help? TIA
[03:04] <ironwolf> ogra: where does one find it?
[03:05] <ogra> yust found it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[03:05] <Riddell> Fergi: then use Kile
[03:06] <maximaus> Fergi: Kile will work under Gnome as will Lyx, another front-end
[03:06] <Zotnix> suriya, Ah... sorry. not sure.
[03:09] <Fergi> Kile in this link: http://kile.sourceforge.net/download.php are available for Mandrake, Suse, Fedora and so on, I tried one for Fedora, but I got an error message, when I called kile, "kile: error while loading shared libraries: libkatepartinterfaces.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory", any clue?
[03:10] <ogra> Fergi: kile is in universe
[03:10] <ogra> Fergi: use the ubuntu version
[03:10] <Fergi> where I get one for Ubuntu?
[03:11] <ogra> Fergi: with synaptic
[03:11] <ogra> Fergi: you need to enable universe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[03:12] <ironwolf> ogra: gpg --search-keys ubuntu seems to have found it.  How does one verify the key is correct?
[03:13] <ogra> ironwolf: search for it on a keyserver: http://keyserver.mine.nu/
[03:14] <ironwolf> orgra: I found it, I'm using it.  I'm asking how do I know I should trust it for this purpose.
[03:14] <CheatersRealm> can I get xorg in warty?
[03:14] <ironwolf> CheatersRealm: no
[03:15] <CheatersRealm> no way no how eh?
[03:15] <Fergi> Ogra and maximaus; thx so much
[03:15] <ogra> ironwolf: you look at a keyserver who signed it....better.... have a own key in the web of trust that just _shows_ you this one is right ;)
[03:15] <maximaus> no prob.
[03:15] <ogra> :)
[03:16] <Dko> Helalua! Its finanly working!
[03:19] <ironwolf> ogra: I don't understand.  I have a key in the well connected set.  Anyone can upload a public key to a keyserver can't they?
[03:20] <ogra> ironwolf: but it is signed by someone
[03:20] <occy> ogra: one last(heh) thing to bug you about if you don't mind.   How in the heck can I get:  Sun Java J2SE50 setup with firefox?
[03:21] <ogra> occy: mojo had a nice url for that and Dko ust did it 5 min before
[03:22] <Dko> One last thing. >< I can use javac now.  But my instructions tell me to do javac -depend JMUD.java  But there doesn't seam to be a -depend.
[03:22] <Zotnix> Woo, fixed my scanner.
[03:22] <dcstimm> hey guys, why is the livecd (the one I got in the mail) not have mp3 support? and how do I enable it?
[03:23] <hypa7ia> dcstimm: it's a patent issue
[03:23] <dcstimm> also it has no mpeg
[03:23] <hypa7ia> dcstimm: that too
[03:23] <dcstimm> hypa7ia, how do I enable it?
[03:23] <maximaus> just search the ubuntu site for mp3 and you'll find the tutorial.
[03:23] <hypa7ia> dcstimm: habe a look at the guide.  http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:23] <dcstimm> hypa7ia, it included the nvidia binary driver but not mp3 support?
[03:23] <ogra> ironwolf: http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x40976EAF437D05B5
[03:23] <hypa7ia> dcstimm: alas, yeah
[03:23] <dcstimm> hypa7ia, does that apply to the livecd?
[03:24] <hypa7ia> the process for adding mp3 would be the same for the livecd, i should think.
[03:24] <dcstimm> also the nvidia drivers on the live cd just reboots my machine
[03:24] <ogra> ironwolf: there will be more signatures attached the next days i guess
[03:24] <dcstimm> hypa7ia, its not
[03:24] <dcstimm> boots to X then just reboots
[03:24] <hypa7ia> dcstimm: add the repos, apt-get the appropriate packages?
[03:24] <ironwolf> ogra: So James Troup signed it.  I don't know him.
[03:24] <dcstimm> repos?
[03:25] <ogra> ironwolf: click his mailaddress
[03:25] <hypa7ia> dcstimm: have you read the ubuntuguide page?
[03:25] <occy> Dko: got that url handy?
[03:25] <occy> Dko: for setting up Sun Java J2SE50 ?
[03:27] <ironwolf> ogra: nocrew.org doesn't mean anything to me, but his key has been signed by someone I trust.
[03:27] <ironwolf> maybe it's me, but this seems advanced for Joe User.
[03:27] <ogra> ironwolf: as i said, the other devs will sign the srcive key too i guess
[03:27] <jdub> ironwolf: in general, it won't be seen or noticed.
[03:28] <occy> heh stupid question, what is multiverse?
[03:28] <hypa7ia> occy: multiverse is the non-free portion of universe
[03:28] <ironwolf> jdub: so when hoary is released on CD, it will contain the key?
[03:28] <ogra> occy: ubuntu-nonfree
[03:28] <occy> ogra: ahhh
[03:28] <DaNewB> What's the difference between totem-ui and totem-xine and totem-gstreamer and... which movie player is best?
[03:28] <occy> hypa7ia: k tx
[03:28] <hypa7ia> not totem?
[03:28] <hypa7ia> :-)
[03:28] <ogra> occy: legally doubtable software
[03:28] <occy> hmmm
[03:29] <Blackwell> trying to install sun java?
[03:29] <kayali> how come so many people seem to need Java? ;)
[03:29] <Blackwell> kayali: wondering too
[03:29] <ironwolf> many thanks ogra, apt seems less unhappy now.
[03:29] <Dko> Ok what should be my classpath in ubunto?
[03:29] <occy> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Sun+Java+J2SE50+Ubuntu&btnG=Google+Search
[03:29] <occy> Blackwell: yeah, trying to install sun java
[03:30] <ogra> occy: http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu#Java_1.5
[03:30] <maximaus> I just recycled the java from my Fedora install LOL
[03:30] <Blackwell> Dko: it should not be set. CLASSPATH env var should never be set.
[03:30] <occy> heh, only one entry on google
[03:30] <jdub> ironwolf: yes
[03:30] <ironwolf> jdub: excellent.  It now makes much more sense now.
[03:30] <Blackwell> occy: article on how to install it WITHOUT use of the package system: http://javafaq.mine.nu/lookup?67
[03:30] <jdub> DaNewB: xine-ui and totem-xine are different frontends to the same multimedia library
[03:30] <Dko> Ok then what do I do if it says a directory of mine is included in your classpath? ><
[03:30] <jdub> DaNewB: totem-gstreamer and totem-xine are the same front end to different multimedia libraries
[03:31] <suriya> suriya
[03:31] <jdub> DaNewB: at the moment, i'd recommend totem-xine as the best combination of the two
[03:31] <Dko> Or I should make shure its included
[03:31] <Dko> http://jamochamud.anecho.mb.ca/onlineReadme.html#CompilingJamochaMUD
[03:31] <Blackwell> Dko: i don't understand what you mean. who is it?
[03:31] <maximaus> DaNewB, I agree with jdub. I'd go ahead and install the xine-ui as well, as it's very small and uses the same libs. You might prefer it.
[03:31] <suriya> Which file should I modify to set PATH so that it is sourced on logging in using GDM?
[03:32] <Dko> Blackwell: Look under compiling JamochaMUD.  Thats what im trying to do
[03:32] <bruceh> Anybody know if there is a vnc server package available?
[03:32] <jdub> bruceh: your desktop has a vnc server already - desktop preferences > remote desktop
[03:32] <Dko> yay ><
[03:32] <DaNewB> jdub, maximaus, thnks ill try that
[03:32] <bruceh> oh, thanks
[03:32] <Blackwell> Dko: is that project still alive?
[03:33] <Dko> I have no clue. Im just trying to find a good gui mud client that I can install.
[03:33] <Blackwell> Dko: why do you try to compile it yourself?
[03:34] <Dko> Blackwell: Because it seamed the only way to get it runing on ubuntu by what his instructions said
[03:34] <Blackwell> typical linux user knee jerk reaction to do that :)
[03:34] <Blackwell> Dko: where does it say that?
[03:35] <occy> Blackwell: hahahah, I love your comments at the end of that page.
[03:35] <macewan> http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/projects/misc/sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[03:35] <Blackwell> Dko: wether you compile the stuff and stick it into a jar file after 10 hours of solid work, or just use their .jar file, that should not make a relevant difference, apart from time spent on it.
[03:35] <macewan> this may or may not be of use
[03:35] <Dko> Ohh.
[03:35] <Blackwell> occy: some people need it imprinted on their foreheads with a sledgehammer.
[03:36] <occy> Blackwell: hehe
[03:36] <s0cks> My CDs never actually came.
[03:36] <Dko> Blackwell: See I have no clue when it comes to linux or Java.  C++ I have some sorta clue but... :p
[03:37] <Gwildor> s0cks, when did ship-it say they shipped?
[03:37] <Blackwell> Dko: http://jamochamud.anecho.mb.ca/jar/?M=D
[03:37] <Blackwell> look, real fresh meat.
[03:37] <CheatersRealm> Dko, java = c++ - hard stuff
[03:37] <Blackwell> yeah, java is for weenies ;)
[03:38] <Blackwell> (like me.)
[03:38] <Totetsu> Anyone know where I can pick up the libpng packages with apt-get?
[03:38] <Dko> Well I understand the languages are very simmilar.  Just... different enough to fug with my head
[03:38] <s0cks> Gwildor : It doesn't give exact dates.
[03:38] <Blackwell> Dko: yeah. java requires oop. c++ invites self delusion about your own oop kung-fu (namely that c++ people plain don't have any, typically ;))
[03:39] <Blackwell> (as some evil people say...)
[03:39] <qkslvrwolf> can I directly ask a n00b question, or should I just ask where the right man pages are?
[03:39] <Dko> Ahh I double click jar and I get the same dang folders plus a new one. ><
[03:39] <Gwildor> s0cks, it used to.......it said an exact date for me.....
[03:39] <Blackwell> qkslvrwolf: ask right ahead i'd think
[03:39] <s0cks> 12-06
[03:39] <Gwildor> s0cks, and they showed up 16 days later
[03:39] <qkslvrwolf> does ubuntu come with the necessary codec to play dvds/mpegs (totem isn't working straight up), and if not, where are they?
[03:40] <Blackwell> Dko: double clicking a jar file may not have much success. the success directly depends what activity and programs has been associated with .jar files :)
[03:40] <qkslvrwolf> (cheers in advance)
[03:41] <dcstimm> any idea when the ppc livecd will be out?
[03:41] <kayali> damn, hoary is hot! you get updates every 30 minutes ;)
[03:41] <Dko> Which means more mind numbing fun for me. ><
[03:42] <s0cks> How close to preview is hoary?
[03:42] <Blackwell> Dko: "java -jar theexecutablejarfile.jar" is not so mind numbing. but it assumes an "executable" jar.
[03:43] <Blackwell> Dko: see "Jar files" at http://jamochamud.anecho.mb.ca/onlineReadme.html#CompilingJamochaMUD
[03:43] <dcstimm> mythtv should come installed by default in ubuntu
[03:43] <Blackwell> Dko: "... execute a command similar to: java -jar [name of jar file] .jar"
[03:43] <kayali> dcstimm: I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't use it
[03:44] <Blackwell> Dko: the project seems alive. consider to contact them, without feedback "those" types of...misalligned java developers will never learn.
[03:44] <dcstimm> kayali, i would donate pvr 250 cards to all the major developers if they did it
[03:44] <s0cks> ogra : You here man?
[03:44] <kayali> dcstimm: free software needs guys like you ;)
[03:44] <ogra> s0cks: about to leave... but yes....
[03:45] <Dko> Thanks. I finnaly got the program running.  And yea ill give the developer a buzz.
[03:45] <hypa7ia> dcstimm: try knoppixmyth?
[03:45] <dcstimm> kayali, you mean a bored guy with to much money on their hands?
[03:45] <kayali> dcstimm: yes :)
[03:45] <s0cks> ogra : How was the conference?
[03:45] <ogra> s0cks: great !!
[03:46] <dcstimm> hypa7ia, its dumb, I have mythtv on my gentoo box, much easier to install than knoppixmyth
[03:46] <s0cks> ogra : Get to meet the superheros?
[03:46] <hypa7ia> really?  durn :-/
[03:46] <ogra> s0cks: but one week was to short.,.....
[03:46] <s0cks> ogra : Yes, well, they all have real jobs ;-)
[03:46] <ogra> s0cks: should have stayed both.....
[03:46] <hypa7ia> i'm setting up a myth box on ubuntu when i get back from the holidays... woo monitor being bigger than the roomie's tv :-/
[03:47] <Falc> *deep sigh* I backed up my elisp dir from an earlier install, but not my .emacs, oh how stupid
[03:49] <dcstimm> I love having dual tuners in my machine
[03:49] <qkslvrwolf> is there anyway I can get a window to come to the foreground when I select it, rather than having to minimize the window in front of it?
[03:49] <dcstimm> and I use my xbox as a frontend for mythtv so I can get component output for my hdtv
[03:50] <hypa7ia> neatoo
[03:51] <marccd> is there an "Unstable" in Ubuntu?
[03:51] <marccd> or is ubuntu just by releases?
[03:52] <thenuke> hoary = unstable
[03:52] <marccd> thenuke, so I should s/warty/hoary in sources.list to get unstable packages?
[03:52] <dcstimm> hoary should not be used
[03:52] <dcstimm> by anyone
[03:52] <thenuke> marccd: right
[03:52] <strixy> helloo. ACan anyone tell me how to burn an ISO while in Debian?
[03:52] <marccd> warty is pretty up to date
[03:52] <marccd> but where is firefox 1.0 for example?
[03:52] <strixy> how about in Ubuntu?
[03:53] <marccd> strixy, same. man cdrecord
[03:53] <strixy> which makes more sense to me, seeing as I am using Ubuntu
[03:53] <Swerron> hi, why in ubuntu console can't i do Whois an nslookup command?
[03:53] <marccd> strixy, cd burning is not different on every distro, you should look up a cd burning how to
[03:53] <strixy> good idea.
[03:54] <strixy> I got so used to xcdroast
[03:54] <marccd> try apt-get install k3b.. its Kde.. but its the best thing around
[03:54] <strixy> since I installed Ubuntu I've been living on the command line
[03:54] <s0cks> Well, yes, it tends to be important.
[03:54] <marccd> anyways. is hoary usable?
[03:55] <s0cks> marccd : So I have heard.
[03:55] <kayali> marccd: usable yes
[03:55] <marccd> yeah, so its like sid
[03:55] <marccd> ive been using sid for 5 years, im just trying out ubuntu on another comp I have here, I must say very nice..
[03:55] <s0cks> How efficiant is it??
[03:55] <kayali> marccd: does sid have gnome 2.9.2?
[03:56] <marccd> kayali, no, 2.8. experimental might, not sure, check #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org
[03:56] <strixy> thanks marccd
[03:56] <strixy> :)
[03:56] <marccd> 2.7 was on experimental.. I dont know if they have started packaging 2.9.. they are really busy with getting 2.8 into sarge
[03:56] <kayali> marccd: well hoary is 2.9.2... highly unstable in theory ;)
[03:56] <Swerron> hi, why in ubuntu console can't i do Whois an nslookup command?
[03:57] <marccd> Swerron, what error do you get?
[03:57] <marccd> kayali, well yeah, I just need a few things out of hoary, i usually pin packages when I use experimental on debian
[03:57] <marccd> meaning, ill just pin everything to warty, and ill -t hoary when I need it
[03:58] <BrettMeister> Is this a good place to ask some very basic pre-install questions?
[03:58] <marccd> BrettMeister, kist asl
[03:58] <marccd> oops,. just ask
[03:58] <marccd> missed the keys :-P
[03:58] <Blackwell> :)
[03:58] <BrettMeister> Thanks!
[03:58] <Swerron> marccd: whois
[03:58] <Swerron> bash: whois: command not found
[03:58] <Swerron> ??
[03:59] <CheatersRealm> the correct command is please-whois
[03:59] <CheatersRealm> you have to ask nicely :)
[03:59] <marccd> Swerron, sudo apt-get install whois
[03:59] <BrettMeister> I have read the docs on the Ubunto site.  When using partitionmagic to set up, how many partitions should I set aside for this linux distro?
[03:59] <CheatersRealm> or that.
[03:59] <hypa7ia> BrettMeister: just leave a big blank one and split it with the ubu installer
[03:59] <CheatersRealm> BrettMeister, you could leave 1 of unpartitioned space
[03:59] <marccd> BrettMeister, depends on your hard drive, the Ubuntu instalation can do it for you also, but you can use partition magic
[03:59] <Blackwell> BrettMeister: consider to wet your feet in vmware first, if that is an option.
[03:59] <marccd> try the live cd..
[04:00] <hypa7ia> First Post!
[04:00] <BrettMeister> Does vmware work well?
[04:00] <Swerron> marccd: package not available??
[04:00] <Blackwell> BrettMeister: for me, yes.
[04:00] <BrettMeister> Better than partitionmagic?
[04:00] <marccd> Swerron, did you configure your sources.list?
[04:00] <Blackwell> BrettMeister: erh...vmware is a virtual pc environment thingie...
[04:00] <hypa7ia> BrettMeister: vmware is something completely different...
[04:00] <marccd> try apt-cache policy whois
[04:01] <Blackwell> BrettMeister: good for trying new operating systems without the risk of wiping your hdd clean.
[04:01] <BrettMeister> I've already been playing around with Knoppix.
[04:01] <hypa7ia> but costs major $$
[04:01] <kayali> how can someone build a .deb package?
[04:01] <Swerron> marccd: no, i'm a bit new to linux
[04:01] <hypa7ia> BrettMeister: should be fine then.
[04:01] <marccd> Swerron, ok
[04:01] <Blackwell> kayali: must follow the instructions for .debs?
[04:02] <hypa7ia> BrettMeister: i always make a separate partition for /home so i don't need to back up much if i want to reinstall
[04:02] <kayali> BlacKnight|: I'm googling...
[04:02] <Swerron> i installed some repo yesterday, now i try some commands , like whois and nslookup and doenst work
[04:02] <kayali> sorry, this was for Blackwell
[04:02] <Swerron> id like to find out how to get those cmd
[04:02] <marccd> Swerron, as root edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:02] <BrettMeister> So I ought to set up a single partition for ubunto and the others for Windows XP?  I want to do a dual OS.
[04:02] <marccd> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:03] <marccd> gedit has to be installed
[04:03] <Blackwell> BrettMeister: leave free space, the ubuntu installer will pick it up and partition accordingly, i assume.
[04:03] <Swerron> yep. a windows poped up
[04:03] <Blackwell> BrettMeister: typically linux wants a separate swap partition, keep that in mind.
[04:04] <BrettMeister> Right now I have defragged enought that I have about 34 gig open.  Enough?
[04:04] <Quest-Master> that's way more than enough. :D
[04:04] <marccd> Swerron, ok, youll see lines like
[04:04] <marccd> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[04:04] <Swerron> yep, exactly
[04:04] <marccd> when It says uncomment, just remove the # from those "deb bla bla " lines
[04:04] <marccd> take out the first #
[04:04] <CheatersRealm> I'm bored. downloading warty is taking a while.
[04:05] <marccd> just do the same for all the # deb http... ocurrences in that file
[04:05] <Swerron> from all of them ?
[04:05] <Swerron> ok
[04:05] <Swerron> done,
[04:05] <marccd> just the lines that say # deb http...
[04:05] <Swerron> i save it and try to install whois&
[04:05] <marccd> ok, save it, and close gedit
[04:05] <Swerron> yes
[04:05] <BrettMeister> Sorry to be so thick here, but I really don't want to spend any more time than I have to straightening out a screw up.....
[04:05] <marccd> no, first you must do apt-get update
[04:05] <marccd> as the user root of course
[04:05] <dcstimm> Anyone know a nice place to live in the west that has good jobs and affordable rent?
[04:05] <BrettMeister> Do I really need to run partitionmagic if I manually install ubunto?
[04:06] <marccd> sudo apt-get update && apt-get install whois
[04:06] <Swerron> yes, i opened a root session
[04:06] <marccd> apt-get update
[04:06] <marccd> and then install whois
[04:06] <Swerron> ok, updateding now
[04:06] <dcstimm> what is the point of the root terminal? very bad idea
[04:06] <Swerron> do i have to do, apt-get install ?
[04:06] <marccd> yeah, apt-get install whois
[04:06] <Swerron> ok
[04:06] <Swerron> nice !
[04:06] <marccd> now you should have all of the packages in ubuntu
[04:07] <Swerron> after do i have to put back tbhe # in the list, or i let it that way
[04:07] <marccd> you can search with "apt-cache search"
[04:07] <marccd> Swerron, no, just leave the list alone
[04:07] <Swerron> ok,
[04:07] <marccd> you might want to use Synaptic if you want something easier
[04:07] <Swerron> ok , thanks a lot, ill try it as soon as downloading is complete :)
[04:08] <marccd> youre welcome
[04:08] <Swerron> great :) whois is installed :)P
[04:08] <Swerron> can i do the same for nslookup?
[04:09] <marccd> apt-cache search nslookup
[04:09] <BrettMeister> Thanks for your help, folks.  This is a cool site.
[04:09] <marccd> if I remember correctly its the "host" package that includes that
[04:09] <Swerron> what apt-cache search nslookup is for?
[04:09] <marccd> for searching what you want
[04:09] <Swerron> to search if its already installed?
[04:10] <marccd> no, for searching packages
[04:10] <marccd> all packages
[04:10] <kergan> installed or not
[04:10] <marccd> if you want to see installed packages do dpkg -l
[04:10] <marccd> or apt-cache policy to check..
[04:10] <Swerron> ok
[04:11] <kergan> any probs do a smartupgrade on the new hoary updates
[04:11] <kergan> do=doing
[04:13] <Gwildor> kergan, thats what i do ervery day :)
[04:14] <kergan> me too just making shure first this time thares a lot of them
[04:14] <kergan> kinda scaird me
[04:14] <Gwildor> i dont think its how many, i think its WHAT
[04:14] <kergan> that too
[04:14] <kergan> lol
[04:15] <kayali> damn, ripping/encoding a cd makes my ibook slow as hell :)
[04:15] <kergan> yep
[04:16] <macewan> kernel 2.6.9 - anyone tried on warty?
[04:21] <marccd> macewan, it should work fine
[04:21] <macewan> would anything change with alsa?
[04:22] <marccd> I dont think so, I use debian sid on my other computer, always with custom kernels.. I dont really fancy the "debian way" of installing kernels
[04:22] <marccd> it should work fine..
[04:22] <marccd> as long as you know what modules you need..
[04:22] <macewan> that i do
[04:23] <marccd> you could just copy boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386
[04:23] <marccd> /boot, sorry
[04:23] <marccd> and use the same config..
[04:24] <macewan> was wondering if there was a ubuntu'ish howto available
[04:24] <marccd> on compiling a kernel?
[04:25] <macewan> yup
[04:25] <marccd> I guess you could do the debian, well in this case, ubuntu way.. and get a deb
[04:26] <cheekyloverboy26> hi
[04:27] <marccd> hola
[04:33] <macewan> What is the ReST format?
[04:36] <Zotnix> Anyway to get packages with debugging symbols?
[04:36] <marccd> huh?
[04:36] <marccd> install gdb
[04:36] <marccd> if you want to debug an application that is
[04:37] <Zotnix> Yeah, but the programs also need to be compiled with debugging symbols.
[04:37] <marccd> apt-get source package
[04:37] <marccd> change the rules on the control file and compile it yourself
[04:37] <Zotnix> Ah, okay.
[04:37] <marccd> although it will require some knowledge of how to create debian packages
[04:38] <occy> hmmm, if I do about:plugins  now in firefox, it shows the Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0-b64
[04:39] <occy> but when I try to go to this page that uses Java.... it just sits there
[04:39] <marccd> occy, try executing java in a terminal, does the command exist?
[04:39] <occy> marccd: yup
[04:40] <marccd> weird, did you ln -s the plugin?
[04:40] <occy> yah, I'm sure that's why it shows up in the plugins list :)
[04:40] <marccd> using Sun's?
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> occy, the guys on the Linuxshow brought up Drupal
[04:41] <occy> used the one from multiverse
[04:41] <occy> nomasteryoda: nifty
[04:41] <marccd> try blackdown
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> the last LinuxShow.. until about Feb 2005
[04:42] <marccd> java is fast like an F1 Car
[04:42] <occy> the mozilla spinner isn't going anymore...
[04:42] <occy> heh
[04:44] <occy> ok, /me trys the binary version
[04:44] <occy> *sigh*
[04:46] <occy> damn... this page is a nightmare:   http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5/
[04:46] <occy> is J2SE 5.0  =  j2se 1.5?
[04:46] <marccd> you dont want the SDK
[04:46] <Gman> yes
[04:46] <occy> confusing as hell
[04:46] <marccd> you want the runtine
[04:46] <occy> hmmm
[04:47] <occy> don't see a link there
[04:47] <marccd> wwww.blackdown.org
[04:47] <occy> k
[04:47] <occy> going now marccd
[04:48] <occy> marccd: 1.4.2 ?
[04:48] <occy> jdk ?
[04:49] <marccd> occy, yeah
[04:49] <marccd> within there choose the j2re
[04:49] <occy> k
[04:50] <occy> grabbing:  ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/i386/01/j2re-1.4.2-01-linux-i586.bin
[04:52] <occy> that link is slow, switched to metalab.unc.edu :)
[04:52] <marccd> ok
[04:52] <marccd> just unpack it in /usr/java or somewhere
[04:52] <marccd> ln -s  the plugin
[04:52] <marccd> then export PATH="/usr/java/bin":$PATH
[04:53] <marccd> or whatever the path is
[04:54] <occy> best to do it per user?  (only going to have max, 3users on the laptop)  or put in /usr/local or something.
[04:54] <marccd> do as you please
[04:55] <occy> k
[04:59] <prak> can someone tell me how i can disable mouse gestures in firefox1.0 that comes packages with hoary?
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> tools
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> extensions
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> click on the mouse gestures extension
[05:00] <prak> thats the problem
[05:00] <prak> its not there as an extension
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> oh.. well.. not sure
[05:00] <|QuaD|> prak: it doesn't come with hoary i don't believe
[05:00] <prak> its funny.. coz the binary from mozilla has it as an extension
[05:01] <hypa7ia> are there working installers for hoary yet?
[05:02] <prak> |QuaD| i was on warty and had 0.9. on hoary, i am on 1.0 and on my laptop, whenever i move my mouse in an ever so simple direction... i end up going back or something like that. you think it is something else causing it?
[05:02] <hypa7ia> installer cd's i meant :-)
[05:03] <prak> hypa7ia -- i don't know if there is one... searched a lot, then simply upgraded to hoary from warty
[05:03] <hypa7ia> prak: did you have to do any weird utf8 stuff?  i hosed my last attempt at that bigtime :-/
[05:04] <|QuaD|> prak: when you upgraded you probably had it on warty
[05:04] <keenan> hello
[05:04] <AndyFitz> hi keenan
[05:05] <keenan> i decided to try out hoary and so far everything's working great
[05:05] <keenan> except all my alsa devices seem to be shifted by one
[05:05] <keenan> at first everything complained "No such device"
[05:06] <keenan> but then i tried hw:1 instead of hw:0 and it worked
[05:06] <keenan> any reason why this should happen?
[05:08] <keenan> like for example
[05:08] <keenan> to get aumix to work i had to rm /dev/mixer; ln -s /dev/mixer1 /dev/mixer
[05:08] <keenan> whereas before it pointed at /dev/mixer0
[05:08] <kergan> i never had to do that
[05:09] <kergan> with hoary
[05:10] <keenan> hmm wonder what's different with my setup
[05:10] <roror> hi all
[05:11] <kergan> keenan,  whats your card
[05:11] <kergan> mine is
[05:11] <kergan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1993.040 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 359/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.82G Free: 18.44G Procs: 71 Uptime: 19 mins 24 secs Load: 0.00 0.06 0.15  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 1.92M Out: 0.17M
[05:11] <kergan> basic buint in one on a i845g/gl board
[05:11] <keenan> yeah sounds a lot like mine
[05:12] <keenan> same everything
[05:12] <keenan> weird
[05:12] <kergan> ya
[05:12] <kergan> hmm
[05:14] <Wonka_Vision> Anyone install Ubuntu for AMD64 on an MSI K8N Neo2?
[05:17] <Crane> BooYA
[05:18] <Crane> err.... hello
[05:18] <kergan> hello
[05:18] <Crane> I get to go home tomorrow night
[05:18] <Crane> then I can try Ubuntu
[05:18] <kergan> good for you
[05:19] <kergan> lol
[05:19] <Crane> I'm tired of this hotel room
[05:19] <Crane> :(
[05:19] <occy> damn.... this java thing isn't working under Firefox.
[05:20] <occy> I can do other stupid java games and such
[05:20] <occy> and they all work fine
[05:20] <Crane> in firefox?
[05:20] <occy> My dad's work has access through this java applet to some mainframe
[05:20] <occy> heh
[05:20] <occy> yeah... in firefox
[05:20] <occy> Trying to set it up for him.
[05:21] <Crane> Sorry I don't have much experience with java
[05:22] <occy> np
[05:22] <keenan> I figured it out!
[05:22] <Crane> ??
[05:22] <kergan> why
[05:22] <kergan> keenan,  what was it
[05:22] <keenan> i happened to have my usb midi interface plugged in when i booted up
[05:22] <kergan> lol
[05:22] <keenan> so it tried to make _that_ the first card
[05:22] <kergan> hahah
[05:23] <keenan> now everything's back to normal =)
[05:23] <crazney> hey is there an mplayer apt mirror that works for ubuntu somewhere?
[05:25] <orc3n> lol @ doing so many upgrades to ubuntu that its turned back into debian :x
[05:25] <Wonka_Vision> X will not start after installing Ubuntu AMD64 release.
[05:25] <Crane> lol;
[05:25] <Wonka_Vision> I am unable to retrieve an error message.
[05:26] <Wonka_Vision> When trying to install the Nvidia drivers, I get an error message telling me that the installer is unable to find the linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-amd64-generic source tree.
[05:26] <Wonka_Vision> Any ideas?
[05:27] <Crane> not really
[05:27] <Crane> Have you installed the kernel source?
[05:28] <Wonka_Vision> I am not certain. I don't think the installer installs the kernel source, and I don't know where to find it.
[05:28] <Wonka_Vision> Should it be located on the cd?
[05:28] <prak> hypa7ia - i stuck to en-us and a couple of variants. no other nls including utf8.
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> Wonka_Vision: you shouldn't need that
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> install restricted-modules
[05:29] <Crane> you don't need kernel source for nvidia drivers?
[05:29] <occy> Ok... so is there any way I can install Windows under Ubuntu?  (heh, like vmware or something, but free)
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-5-amd64
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> Crane: no there is a package for them
[05:29] <dcstimm> anyone know a good multimeter and soldering iron to buy?
[05:30] <Crane> oh
[05:30] <prak> |QuaD| if you are still there... no, i did not have it in warty either... in fact i had no extensions installed in warty either.. same with hoary now... still firefox ends up responding to mouse gestures.. is there a way i can remove and install it again? purge configs etc... just for the heck of it. ubuntu-desktop depends on firefox1.0
[05:30] <Crane> No package for kernel source?
[05:30] <Crane> occy: why would you want to?
[05:31] <occy> Crane: looks like I need IE(ugh) to use this java
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> crap
[05:31] <Crane> where
[05:31] <occy> my dad's work's site isn't working.
[05:31] <Crane> lol
[05:31] <Crane> oh
[05:31] <occy> I can load all kinds of java games and crap.... but they don't work.
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> Crane: there is but you don't need it if you can get the nvidia driver in a package
[05:31] <Wonka_Vision> Then the Nvid drivers should install?
[05:31] <occy> it has some access to some mainframe system, so I'm sure it's doing something funky.
[05:31] <occy> and may need windows.
[05:32] <occy> nomasteryoda: you have vmware?
[05:32] <occy> heh
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> let me look at it
[05:32] <Crane> occy: have you tried a different browser?
[05:32] <Wonka_Vision> restricted-modules should be what the nvidia installer needs?
[05:32] <occy> Crane: tried Mozilla 1.7.3  and firefox 1.0
[05:33] <Crane> oh
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> Wonka_Vision: no
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> install that
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> then install nvidia-glx
[05:33] <Crane> Wonka: does the 32bit version nvidia drivers install easily?
[05:34] <HrdwrBoB> then run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:34] <HrdwrBoB> then you're done
[05:34] <HrdwrBoB> you don't need to run the installer
[05:34] <etorix> that?
[05:34] <Wonka_Vision> Isn't that only for the glx driver?
[05:34] <Wonka_Vision> I am having a problem with X not working completely.
 install that*
[05:35] <etorix> that?
[05:35] <Crane> Wonka: have you checked your log files for errors?
[05:35] <Wonka_Vision> I have no idea where they would be located. The console default output merely tells me that Xfree is in beta or something.
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> Wonka_Vision: just run what I've said
[05:37] <Wonka_Vision> Okay I will give it a shot.
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> that will do the same thing as the installer will
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> etorix: nvidia-glx
[05:37] <Wonka_Vision> I might just go with i386 release if I can't get 64 working.
[05:38] <etorix> dont i need kernel-headers for that .. nvidia?
[05:38] <Crane> Wonka: check /var/log directory for the log file
[05:39] <HrdwrBoB> etorix: no, this is a prepackaged version of the drivers
[05:39] <HrdwrBoB> you don't need anything
[05:39] <HrdwrBoB> it's all done for you
[05:40] <Crane> HrdwrBoB: do you still have to change the XF86Config or xorg files?
[05:40] <kergan> and thats easy
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> Crane: no
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> that's what nvidia-glx-config enable does
[05:40] <etorix> ok .. thats coming ..
[05:41] <Crane> I hope to install ubuntu tomorrow I like to play games requiring the nvidia driver be installed
[05:41] <Crane> thanks
[05:41] <etorix> hmm .. im sure i saw a nvidia howto ..
[05:41] <Wonka_Vision> Is xorg gonna become the default X server in upcoming version of Ubuntu?
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> Wonka_Vision: yes
[05:41] <kergan> Wonka_Vision, yes
[05:41] <Wonka_Vision> Excellent.
[05:41] <kergan> i love it allready
[05:41] <Crane> I agree I like xorg
[05:41] <etorix> its on hoary 64-bit
[05:41] <etorix> im on it .. xorg
[05:42] <kergan> i got 15-20 fps using nwn on xfree now i get 20-30fps in xorg
[05:42] <Wonka_Vision> It's on hoary 64bit? The error messages told me it was xfree.
[05:42] <kergan> using /sys -p
[05:42] <kergan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1993.040 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 354/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.93G Free: 18.55G Procs: 72 Uptime: 50 mins 36 secs Load: 0.00 0.11 0.25  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 3.04M Out: 0.42M
[05:42] <etorix> wel ..
[05:42] <Wonka_Vision> Oh wait.. I am dumb.
[05:42] <etorix> System Information for [ gububod ] 
[05:42] <Wonka_Vision> I am trying to install Warty.
[05:43] <etorix> OS/Kernel: Linux 2.6.9-1-amd64-generic
[05:43] <etorix> CPU Info: (1) 1004.913 MHz AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
[05:43] <etorix> HD Info: 4G/56G
[05:43] <etorix> Memory: 467.058/1023.77 MB
[05:43] <etorix> Processes: 89
[05:43] <etorix> Uptime: 20min
[05:43] <Crane> Kergan: where did you get the sysinfo script?
[05:43] <Wonka_Vision> Will 32bit apps install under ubuntu 64?
[05:43] <kergan> xchat.org
[05:43] <Jon_K> I was wondering how the unbuntu people afford to ship millions of pressed cds for free... is it all donation driven?
[05:43] <Xenguy> haha
[05:43] <Crane> any certian version?
[05:43] <Wonka_Vision> I just got mine the other day.
[05:43] <Wonka_Vision> 20 cds
[05:43] <kergan> its a perl script i can dcc it to ya then ya drop it in to the .xchat2 dir restart xchat then have a running script
[05:44] <Crane> cool
[05:44] <Xenguy> Jon_K: markshuttleworth.com
[05:44] <etorix> hmm .. no gawk on here
[05:45] <Crane> I think I found it
[05:45] <etorix> 20 cds?
[05:45] <PD> Hi there ppl
[05:46] <Crane> hello
[05:46] <etorix> how many archs?
[05:46] <kergan> Crane, i cant dcc to ya
[05:46] <kergan> got a e-mail i can send it to
[05:46] <kergan> its that small
[05:46] <PD> I have installed kde 3.2.3, but now how do I upgrade to a lates version of KDE 3.3.0
[05:46] <Crane> brb
[05:47] <PD> Can i do it with apt-get itself
[05:47] <kergan> if its on the respotroies
[05:47] <kergan> pd
[05:47] <Crane> os[jason@localhost.localdomain, Linux 2.4.22-1.2188.nptl i686]  cpu[AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+ @ 1.66GHz]  mem[Physical : 426MB/883MB Free]  disk[Total : 55.92GB/111.36GB Free] 
[05:47] <kergan> did it work Crane
[05:47] <kergan> guess it did
[05:48] <Crane> lol
[05:48] <kergan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1993.040 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 338/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.93G Free: 18.55G Procs: 75 Uptime: 56 mins 6 secs Load: 0.12 0.16 0.22  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 3.12M Out: 0.44M
[05:48] <ferris> is there an easy way to download and install java?
[05:48] <PD> I got a repository with kde3.3.0,but what command do I issue to upgrade my kde
[05:48] <kergan> mines nicer :P~~~
[05:48] <Crane> thats what I was thinking
[05:48] <Crane> lol
[05:48] <PD> I cant do another apt-get install right?
[05:49] <kergan> pd i wouldent trust it unluss it came from ubuntu or mabby a kubuntu
[05:49] <Cam> the default repositories should let you upgrade your system right?
[05:49] <kergan> cam yes
[05:49] <PD> but still can you tell me the procedure to do it?
[05:49] <etorix> kubuntu repository?
[05:49] <kergan> mabby
[05:50] <PD> Ubuntu repository came with KDE 3.2.3
[05:50] <kergan> its in discution
[05:50] <Atlas_> hello how can I change the loader for have a beautifull loader with color like knoppix for example?
[05:50] <ferris> good question atlas
[05:50] <kergan> pd ya
[05:50] <etorix> bootsplash?
[05:50] <ferris> i have used knoppix, but the kde crashes too much on my laptop
[05:51] <kergan> pd but the kde 3.3.0 and on the ubuntu respotories yet so i wouldent trust it
[05:51] <kergan> and= ant
[05:51] <PD> Kergan So it is safe I use this KDE itself right
[05:51] <kergan> yes
[05:51] <Cam> then why does it not have the latest version of gimp for instance?
[05:51] <kergan> farily
[05:51] <kergan> cam command line or gui
[05:52] <kergan> ??
[05:52] <etorix> kde 3.3.2
[05:52] <Cam> either
[05:52] <Cam> synaptic or apt
[05:52] <kergan> gui is the eassy way
[05:52] <kergan> synaptic do a reload
[05:52] <Cam> i have
[05:52] <kergan> then do mark all upgrade then do smart upgrade
[05:53] <Cam> and ive also done a apt-get update
[05:53] <etorix> gimp 2.06
[05:53] <Cam> i have kergan
[05:53] <kergan> cam you might have to manuley install that program to get the updates
[05:53] <Cam> the gimp?
[05:54] <kergan> ya
[05:54] <Cam> it says the latest version on the repository is 2.0.2
[05:54] <etorix> gimp 2.0.6 ive got
[05:54] <Cam> but the gimp is up to 2.2
[05:54] <kergan> i have 2.0.6
[05:54] <kergan> 2.2 ant on the respotories yet then
[05:54] <kergan> and i am on hoary
[05:55] <kergan> and thats whare youd see it first
[05:55] <etorix> so its a re-compile of sid
[05:55] <etorix> rather han a compile of the latest
[05:55] <kergan> ya
[05:57] <Atlas_> what I must do so...?
[05:57] <etorix> maybe this nvidia-glx will let me get off this 64x480 desktop
[05:57] <crane_> os[jason@localhost.localdomain, Linux 2.4.22-1.2188.nptl i686]  cpu[AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+ @ 1.66GHz]  mem[Physical : 408MB/883MB Free]  disk[Total : 55.92GB/111.36GB Free] 
[05:57] <etorix> 640x480*
[05:57] <kergan> crane_,  try agine
[05:58] <crane_> os[jason@localhost.localdomain, Linux 2.4.22-1.2188.nptl i686]  cpu[AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+ @ 1.66GHz]  mem[Physical : 408MB/883MB Free]  disk[Total : 55.92GB/111.36GB Free] 
[05:58] <kergan> nope still not as pritty as mine
[05:58] <macewan> hrm, apt-get is stuck on a package that it will not remove. fix broken & purge do nothing with dpkg exit 10.
[05:58] <crane_> lol I thoughtI i\putg a different script in
[05:58] <crane_> lol
[05:58] <crane_> put
[05:59] <kergan> lol
[05:59] <kergan> you have the same affliction i have
[05:59] <crane_> ?
[06:00] <kergan> spellitise
[06:00] <kergan> lol
[06:00] <crane_> lol
[06:00] <etorix> try --force-overwrite?
[06:00] <etorix> nvidia claims success
[06:01] <etorix> i better tart up xorg.conf a bit
[06:01] <etorix>  a lot,even
[06:09] <klj> mplayer in ubuntu how to?
[06:09] <klj> warty
[06:10] <seth_> hello there
[06:10] <etorix> re
[06:11] <bob2> klj: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:11] <Se7h> damn im ungry
[06:11] <Crane> lets try this one
[06:11] <Crane> os[Linux 2.4.22-1.2188.nptl - Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow)]  up[7 hours, 46 minutes]  cpu[AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+, 1662.518 MHz (3316.12 bogomips)]  cache[256 KB]  mem[839.25/883.12 MB (95.0%)]  load[0.12]  procs[68]  disk[53469.93/114036.23 MB (46.9%) (Maxtor 6Y120P0)]  video[PCI device 10de:0321 (nVidia Corporation) (rev 161). at 1024x768 (24 bits)] 
[06:12] <Se7h> o.0
[06:12] <bob2> please don't do that again
[06:12] <Crane> me??
[06:12] <klj> bob2, sorry my inglish, i am brazileiro huauhuha
[06:12] <bob2> Crane: yeah, your computer specs are pretty off-topic ;)
[06:13] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, can someone help me connect to a windows printer.
[06:13] <Se7h> klj aprende a falar :P
[06:13] <Crane> sorry lol just checking a script
[06:13] <Crane> won't happen again
[06:13] <klj> Se7h, uhauuha
[06:13] <Se7h>  /exec -o uptime
[06:13] <Se7h>  05:13:39 up 5 days, 23:06,  3 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.44, 0.56
[06:13] <Se7h> :D
[06:13] <klj> Se7h, de que estado?
[06:14] <Se7h> klj in english plz
[06:14] <Crane> What contry did ubuntu originate?
[06:14] <Se7h> africa
[06:14] <Se7h> lol ;P
[06:14] <etorix> isle of man?
[06:15] <Crane> Are there many American users?
[06:15] <GoPlastic> Is anyone able to help me get linksys pcmcia wireless card recognized?
[06:15] <bob2> Canonical is based on the Isle Of Man, but ubuntu is developed by people from around the world
[06:16] <klj> Se7h, I am of Salvador/BA and you?
[06:16] <Crane> cool
[06:16] <Se7h> klj Lisboa PT
[06:16] <Se7h> lol
[06:17] <Se7h> oh man i think im not going to work today
[06:17] <Crane> lol
[06:17] <Crane> Work?? I need to go to bed
[06:17] <HrdwrBoB> AHAR
[06:17] <ferris> how can i change the root password?
[06:18] <Se7h> im doing 17-00
[06:18] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu doesn't work by default with 3ware raid cards as boot devices
[06:18] <klj> Se7h, you go to rock in rio lisboa?
[06:18] <HrdwrBoB> because it doesn't load the damn driver in the initial ram disk
[06:18] <Se7h> ferris u realy want root active?
[06:18] <Scorp> type your old password and Ip address here like this:          IPADDRESS;oldpassword;newpassword;newpassword and it'll change :)
[06:18] <ferris> i need it active so that i can install jave
[06:18] <Se7h> klj no, i've missed it
[06:18] <ferris> java
[06:18] <Se7h> ferris sudo
[06:19] <klj> Se7h, ok
[06:19] <ferris> sudo... what options?
[06:20] <Se7h> ferris non sudo <command> <- execute command working on root
[06:20] <ferris> i am not at root
[06:20] <ferris> i am at ferris
[06:20] <Se7h> erm
[06:20] <Se7h> i know
[06:20] <Se7h> but sudo will ask for root password
[06:20] <Se7h> and u enter ur own from user
[06:20] <Se7h> they r the same
[06:21] <ferris> ferris@absolute:~ $ sudo
[06:21] <ferris> usage: sudo -V | -h | -L | -l | -v | -k | -K | [-H]  [-P]  [-S]  [-b]  [-p prompt] 
[06:21] <ferris>             [-u username/#uid]  -s | <command>
[06:21] <ferris> ferris@absolute:~ $
[06:21] <ferris> that is what I got
[06:21] <Se7h> dude
[06:21] <Se7h> sudo + command
[06:22] <Se7h> let me check my server uptime btw
[06:22] <klj> ferris, sudo apt-get install amy lee hauauha
[06:22] <ferris> what command do i need to enter?
[06:22] <Cloudchaser> hiya..i have a question..in the middle of my screen is a black X
[06:22] <Cloudchaser> can't seem to get it to go away
[06:22] <Se7h> Cloudchaser o.0
[06:22] <Cloudchaser> ?
[06:23] <Se7h> sinner# uptime
[06:23] <Se7h>  6:25AM  up 16 days, 2 mins, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[06:23] <Se7h> :D
[06:23] <Se7h> ferris how u want to install java ?
[06:24] <ferris> i don't really care HOW... i just want to get it installed
[06:24] <ferris> so i can view yahoo games pages
[06:24] <Cloudchaser> anyone have any idea of what the "X" is or how to get rid of it?
[06:24] <Se7h> yes, but what's the file type ?
[06:24] <ferris> .bin
[06:25] <Se7h> Cloudchaser no idea what u talikin' about
[06:25] <Cloudchaser> i have ubuntu installed
[06:25] <Se7h> ferris "sudo /path_to_file/file.bin
[06:25] <Cloudchaser> in the middle of my screen is a black x that won't go away..it shows up over top of whatever i have open
[06:25] <ferris> oh ok
[06:25] <ferris> thanks
[06:25] <Se7h> np
[06:25] <ferris> that makes sence
[06:26] <Se7h> Cloudchaser no idea what that is realy
[06:26] <Cloudchaser> and i can't get it to go away
[06:26] <etorix> ok .. my xorg.conf says i have 1024x768 available .. but my desktop wont go above 64x480
[06:27] <etorix> whers the gnome/whatever desktop config files?
[06:27] <Se7h> Computer -> System Configuration -> Screen Resolution
[06:28] <etorix> hmm .. that wouldnt give me a choice before
[06:28] <Se7h> no?
[06:28] <etorix> my bootscreen does 1024x768 ok
[06:29] <etorix> no
[06:29] <Se7h> check ur xfree config file
[06:29] <etorix> its a real pita .. all the *yes/no* dialogs are offscreen
[06:30] <etorix> xorg ta
[06:30] <etorix> it looks fine
[06:30] <etorix> says i have three sizes available
[06:30] <Se7h> whats drivers of GC r u using ?
[06:30] <Se7h> what what card u have?
[06:30] <etorix> 5600 gt
[06:31] <etorix>  nvidia
[06:31] <etorix> hmm what version is the default glx?
[06:31] <etorix>  dunno
[06:31] <Se7h> have u instaled the newer ones?
[06:31] <etorix> yup
[06:31] <etorix> from apt
[06:32] <Se7h> brb
[06:36] <etorix> should be 6629 .. i dont see it in xorg.log
[06:46] <Scorp> guys does ubuntu/ppc support a powerbook G3s bells and whistles like the volume/brightness buttons and sleep functions etc... ?
[06:46] <etorix> harware detection is good ..
[06:47] <ferris> burn a live cd
[06:47] <ferris> run it
[06:47] <etorix> i logged into gnome .. but no babana
[06:47] <ferris> if it runs, it should work if you install it
[06:47] <etorix> banana*
[06:47] <Scorp> from where do I get a live cd? is that the same as the installation cd ?
[06:47] <ferris> no
[06:47] <ferris> it is not
[06:47] <etorix>  still no other choice than 640x480 @60 hz
[06:48] <Scorp> there is only (from what I can tell) a 386 live cd
[06:49] <etorix> 640x480 @ 60 hz  is .. slightly un-tolerable
[06:49] <etorix> to put it mildly
[06:50] <bob2> Scorp: yes
 i do not think it is still in distro. You can download KNoppix live cd. if it runs, ubuntu will load. (they are both debian)
[06:50] <bob2> no
[06:50] <Scorp> ferris I would but downloading a whole live CD to see if the other one will work will take too much time
[06:51] <HrdwrBoB> ferris: not that simple
[06:51] <etorix> but is ubuntu binary compatible with debian?
[06:51] <Scorp> and I need to know if ubuntu comes with the software needed to support those fn+F? keys, (ie volume, brightness,) and if it'll support other things specific to my laptop and if it will emulate 2 buttons
[06:52] <xskoulax> Scorp, what laptop?
[06:52] <Scorp> PS I'm talking about the PPC version
[06:52] <Scorp> PowerBook G3 Pismo
[06:52] <bob2> etorix: mostly
[06:52] <etorix> really?
[06:52] <bob2> Scorp: the keys are a hardware thing, and are supported by pbuttonsd (like on every other linux distribution)
[06:53] <xskoulax> Scorp, i'm pretty sure it will emulate the 2 button, i think it uses the f11 or f12 key for it
[06:53] <etorix> can i add my 64-bit debian sources?
[06:53] <bob2> mouse emulation is also a kernel thing, and supported by ubuntu
[06:53] <Scorp> ok excellent
[06:53] <Scorp> so I can get the source to pbuttonsd on any linux distro and compile it?
[06:53] <bob2> er, of course
[06:53] <bob2> like any other program
[07:01] <etorix> hmm .. id like to get gkrellm up
[07:01] <etorix> nice to see artwiz is in
[07:02] <Se7h> yeah
[07:02] <Se7h> toshiba satelite t2155cds
[07:09] <Se7h> http://bigkey.com/pic/Toshiba/Laptop/8766_Toshiba_satellite_pro_t2155cds_for_parts.jpg
[07:09] <Se7h> dam old
[07:09] <etorix> hmm .. nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb
[07:10] <Tyche> Hello there
[07:10] <etorix> my ol' tosh 2540cds k6/2 was ok
[07:10] <etorix> even tho it was onbly 32mb ram
[07:11] <Tyche> is there a way from command line to convert unixtime stamp to normal date time?
[07:11] <crimsun> sure. The easiest way is probably a perl command
[07:11] <crimsun> just Google for it
[07:12] <bob2> seconds-since-the-epoch to a normal date?
[07:12] <crimsun> (I presume so, bob2)
[07:15] <zaeem> hi guys
[07:15] <GotD0t> hi
[07:15] <kergan> hello
[07:16] <zaeem> how can i display all the installed packages in my ubuntu and remove them if i want to..
[07:16] <GotD0t> does anybody know about getting a linksys WUSB11 working in ubuntu
[07:16] <zaeem> a command line utility preferably..
[07:16] <bob2> zaeem: computer -> system -> synaptic
[07:16] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[07:16] <bob2> or aptitude
[07:16] <zaeem> like rpm -qa lists all installed packages..
[07:16] <bob2> GotD0t: does linux support it?
[07:16] <zaeem> bob2, i need a CLI command
[07:16] <GotD0t> bob2: thats the question
[07:16] <bob2> zaeem: aptitude then
[07:16] <bob2> GotD0t: you can find that out as easily as anyone...
[07:17] <zaeem> bob2, aptitude was pretty difficult to use
[07:17] <bob2> zaeem: or dpkg -l | grep \^ii
[07:17] <FX|Laptop> I've got a question. My cdrom will not work with the ubuntu cd. I was wondering if its possible to get ubuntu with knoppix or mepis?
[07:17] <zaeem> i have compiled a 2.6.9 kernel and after it boots my keyboard and mouse do not work..any suggestions?
[07:17] <bob2> zaeem: use an ubuntu kernel
[07:17] <FX|Laptop> Another words changing the repos to the ubuntu repos
[07:17] <zaeem> bob2, the default ubuntu kernel doesnot support smp..
[07:18] <zaeem> i need smp coz i am installing it on a dual processor DELL PE 2450
[07:18] <bob2> zaeem: install the smp kernel then. linux-kernel-6868-smp or so
[07:18] <bob2> FX|Laptop: that probably won't work well
[07:18] <etorix> FX|Laptop: ive seen debootstrap howtos in the install guide
[07:18] <FX|Laptop> zeem search for this kernel... 2.6.8.1-4-686-smp
[07:19] <FX|Laptop> Ok I'll look around etorix, thanks
[07:19] <zaeem> FX|Laptop, search where?
[07:20] <bob2> zaeem: in your package management tool
[07:20] <etorix> icluding a from-knoppix
[07:20] <zaeem> k
[07:21] <Se7h> OT question
[07:21] <Se7h> does anyone knows a good "1 floppy linux dist" ?
[07:22] <crimsun> DSL?
[07:22] <crimsun> that might be 2, hmm
[07:22] <etorix> theres a few .. look on distrowatch
[07:23] <etorix> my mate was making a uclibc distro with 200 apps in 5mb
[07:24] <zaeem> write a root/boot disk image from slackware install cd Se7h
[07:27] <zaeem> cant find ...
[07:27] <zaeem> :(
[07:28] <bob2> can't find what?
[07:28] <ivar> q: where should a newbie start debugging broken audio in hoary ?
[07:28] <zaeem> kernel-2.6.8.1-4-686-smp
[07:28] <etorix> ive seen smp kernels in the lists ..
[07:29] <zaeem> right now i am compiling a new one..
[07:29] <bob2> zaeem: yes, because it doesn't exist
[07:29] <bob2> zaeem: I told you the package name already
[07:29] <bob2> zaeem: if you want to find it yourself, " apt-cache search linux-image | grep smp"
[07:29] <zaeem> thnx bob2
[07:30] <FX|Laptop> zaeem, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-21.149645588  Read that
[07:30] <FX|Laptop> Otherwise, if you are on a dual-processor workstation, you might type:
[07:30] <FX|Laptop> sudo apt-get install linux-686-smp
[07:31] <zaeem> FX|Laptop, its a dual processor server..
[07:31] <FX|Laptop> Yea, and?
[07:31] <zaeem> Dell poweredge 2450...
[07:31] <FX|Laptop> thats what you want right is the smp kernel?
[07:32] <zaeem> yes but optimized for the p3
[07:34] <Synek> hello
[07:35] <zaeem> hi
[07:35] <Zotnix> Ack
[07:35] <Zotnix> it's the same.
[07:35] <Zotnix> Accidently clicked in there
[07:35] <Zotnix> Shouldn't they change the room +t
[07:36] <bob2> why?
[07:37] <Zotnix> So nobody can change the topic unless they are operator.
[07:37] <bob2> kI know what it is, bbut why do you think it should be set?
[07:37] <bob2> there have only been very minor issues with that in the past
[07:38] <Zotnix> because it is basic to good room operation.
[07:38] <bob2> you don't think this is a good channel? ;)
[07:39] <Zotnix> Didn't say that, just think they should operate the room well.
[07:41] <GotD0t> ok, im trying to build the drivers for my wireless lan card... and it cant find the file or directory "/lib/modules/2.6.9-1-686/build"
[07:42] <the--dud> argh... im trying to install from my slackware setup according to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromOtherDistroHowto
[07:42] <the--dud> its failing :(
[07:48] <VirteX> anyone in here successfully installed ATI drivers in 4.10 ??
[07:48] <hannes__> no
[07:48] <hannes__> dont't buy ati cards, they suck
[07:48] <VirteX> lol
[07:48] <hannes__> :D
[07:49] <VirteX> :P
[07:49] <VirteX> guess i'll have to switch back to a different distro... and i was liking this one too
[07:50] <VirteX> it works great on my laptop
[07:50] <hannes__> that's bad
[07:50] <crimsun> ATI drivers should work fine w/ Warty
[07:50] <hannes__> ubuntu has lots of potential
[07:50] <crimsun> (Warty uses XFree86, not X.Org)
[07:50] <VirteX> i haven't been able to get them to work at all
[07:51] <jamesh> VirteX: did you follow the directions on the wiki?
[07:51] <VirteX>  jamesh : got a link ? i've tried the ones i've found on the site but haven't had any luck making them work
[07:51] <hannes__> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:52] <hannes__> those
[07:52] <VirteX> ah yea... the binarydriverhowto... i've tried that three times
[07:53] <VirteX> fglrx is not a module, that's the error i get after trying that
[07:53] <VirteX> and then x doesn't run at all
[07:53] <John-UB> hi all
[07:54] <John-UB> question - has anyone managed to get a citrix web client to work in firefox under warty ?
[07:54] <hannes__> John-UB: try the "big mozilla"
[07:55] <John-UB> hannes__, ??
[07:55] <VirteX> brb
[07:57] <Se7h> http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=02061#0
[07:57] <Se7h> :)
[07:57] <John-UB> ubuntu urinates on fedora core from a height - it works on this machine for one which fedora refuses to do it seems
[07:58] <hannes__> John-UB: http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/
[07:58] <John-UB> ahh cheers hannes__
[08:00] <John-UB> so it works in mozilla not firefox ?
[08:01] <hannes__> dunno
[08:01] <hannes__> but try
[08:01] <John-UB> will do
[08:02] <hannes__> i've had a few situations where firefox didn't show a site correctly but mozilla did
[08:02] <hannes__> mozilla -> Mozilla suite
[08:03] <John-UB> for some reason firefox doesnt want to work with the plugin in linux
[08:03] <hannes__> ok
[08:03] <John-UB> and nothing seems to fix it
[08:14] <dudio> damn it, as im trying to install ubuntu from my slackware, install, 'dpkg-reconfigure locales console-data' fails
[08:23] <etorix> did u run base-config
[08:42] <etorix> cool .. gimp 2.2.0 n sid
[08:45] <etorix> hmm .. nicenew splash
[09:37] <zaeem> bob2: bootmisc.sh ??
[09:41] <bob2> zaeem: add it to squid's init script
[09:42] <zaeem> i tried...
[09:42] <zaeem> didnt work.
[09:47] <oga> hey does anybody know how to fix/reset my taskbar at the bottom of the screen..... (where avaiable programs/windows are displayed)... atm it's always blank (except the trashcan is still there) i can still alt+ tab between programs but no display... any ideas?
[09:48] <bob2> right click on it, add applet, task list
[09:51] <oga> cheers... much better
[09:56] <LucaBrasi> can someone tell me where the allowed resolutions etc are stored
[09:56] <LucaBrasi> I just installed a fresh copy of ubuntu ... restarted and just when its supposed to load I only get a black screen
[09:57] <LucaBrasi> my guess it's trying to use an invalid res as the LCD has a max res .. plus it's going over a KVM
[09:57] <LucaBrasi> anyway .. what's the conf file I need to look at?
[09:58] <LucaBrasi> anyone?
[09:58] <qbeek> yep ?
[09:58] <RuffianSoldier> slow night?
[09:58] <etorix> etc/X11/xf86Config-4 or xorg.conf , depending
[10:00] <etorix> on whether its xfree86 or xoeg
[10:00] <etorix> xorg*
[10:01] <LucaBrasi> I think it's the kvm not the res
[10:01] <LucaBrasi> X probably can't find the kbd/mouse properly or something bag
[10:01] <bob2> your kvm may be blocking ddc
[10:01] <bob2> lots of them are buggy like that
[10:01] <etorix> hmm
[10:01] <bob2> try taking it out and see if it works
[10:01] <LucaBrasi> the reason I think it's the kvm is because the hotkeys stop working when I boot to this black hole that is my new ubuntu install.
[10:02] <LucaBrasi> kvm hotkeys that is
[10:02] <bob2> take the kvm out and see if it works
[10:02] <LucaBrasi> yah
[10:02] <daniels> (by 'lots', bob2 means 'all')
[10:02] <bob2> yo daniels
[10:02] <daniels> sup
[10:03] <bob2> sleepin' it up
[10:05] <bob2> still in B?
[10:09] <LucaBrasi> ok it's not the KVM
[10:09] <LucaBrasi> what else could it be
[10:10] <LucaBrasi> the screen doesn't flicker ..it just goes completely black so it's not a wrong res either probably
[10:10] <LucaBrasi> at bootup there're 2 errors only
[10:10] <LucaBrasi> one about pcihp.ko
[10:10] <LucaBrasi> and pchp.ko or something like that
[10:10] <bob2> ignore them
[10:10] <LucaBrasi> from modprobe
[10:11] <LucaBrasi> those couldn't be causing this blackness?
[10:11] <bob2> no
[10:11] <LucaBrasi> hm what else then?
[10:13] <LucaBrasi> ah well ubuntu did look promising
[10:13] <LucaBrasi> fuckit .. I guess it's still just linux
[10:13] <bob2> yay for trolling
[10:13] <joh_> hi
[10:13] <LucaBrasi> yay for another distro that can't even install
[10:13] <AndyFitz> mod -1 troll  lol
[10:13] <joh_> Is there any tips&tricks for installing php5 on warty?
[10:14] <bob2> LucaBrasi: it installed fine, your hardware was broken
[10:14] <AndyFitz> your problem is fair enough mate.
[10:14] <bob2> LucaBrasi: install it without the kvm in the way and see if it works
[10:14] <RuffianSoldier> anyone ran 3d desktop in Ubuntu?
[10:14] <LucaBrasi> I rebooted it without the kvm anywhere .. it's not the kvm
[10:14] <AndyFitz> RuffianSoldier:  yes but not for long
[10:14] <AndyFitz> gets annoying
[10:14] <RuffianSoldier> hmm
[10:14] <bob2> LucaBrasi: it doesn't magically resetup X after a reboot
[10:15] <RuffianSoldier> im hacking trouble
[10:15] <RuffianSoldier> AndyFitz - how do I enable graphics accelleration?
[10:15] <LucaBrasi> bob2 why would it need to?
[10:15] <AndyFitz> what card do you have  ?
[10:15] <bob2> LucaBrasi: because your hardware was preventing it from finding out anything!
[10:15] <RuffianSoldier> AndyFitz - currently VIA Onboard
[10:16] <LucaBrasi> bob2 hmm ..funny. Why didn't windows have any problems with it?
[10:17] <LucaBrasi> windows even automatically enabled some sort of wheel scrolling function ... to enhance the mouse while its connected to the kvm, lol
[10:17] <RuffianSoldier> bbiab - dogwalk
[10:17] <LucaBrasi> and ubuntu won't even load ... because it's ..confused??
[10:17] <AndyFitz> lucabrasi, winging won't help you.  your problem is valid but your attitude is irritating .  take it easy mate
[10:18] <bob2> LucaBrasi: you're welcome to find a bug so it can be fixed
[10:18] <AndyFitz> file a bug, accept that your hardware is being the fun-police and go back to windows
[10:18] <LucaBrasi> nah that's ok .. I'll just go find a distro where others find and fix bugs ;-)
[10:18] <bob2> LucaBrasi: you're also making it unpleasant to try to help you, which only increases the likelyhood of you failing to get it to work
[10:18] <bob2> what a productvie attitude
[10:19] <LucaBrasi> err
[10:19] <LucaBrasi> what am I supposed to be doing .. dancing ?
[10:19] <LucaBrasi> took me half a day to get this all (hardware) put together and up and running
[10:19] <AndyFitz> not sending useless bytes of irrelevant text into my chat window for one
[10:20] <LucaBrasi> everything installs without a single problem or error ..then ubuntu turns into a black hole. No errors, nothing logged .. nice eh? Brand spanking new.
[10:20] <AndyFitz> ruffian:  I'm not sure if there are packages for vai hardware,  is that the chipset it uses ?
[10:20] <AndyFitz>  have you installed nvidia-glx ?
[10:20] <bob2> LucaBrasi: nothing logged at all? nothig in /var/local/XFree86.0.log, at *all*?
[10:20] <AndyFitz> fglrx-drivers  if its ati based
[10:20] <bob2> fabbione: daniels how does one get the X probe magic to run again?
[10:21] <ogra> bob2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:21] <ogra> bob2: moring....
[10:21] <bob2> ogra: sure that works?
[10:21] <ogra> bob2:err evening
[10:21] <ogra> bob2: yep, in warty from the terminal
[10:22] <LucaBrasi> dont even have a /var/local
[10:22] <bob2> ogra: to rerun xresprobe, etc?
[10:22] <bob2> LucaBrasi: er, /var/log
[10:22] <ogra> bob2: if you need more options: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[10:22] <ogra> bob2: nope, it is a Q/A dialog, filled with the detected values.....
[10:22] <LucaBrasi> dont have a Xfree86 log
[10:23] <bob2> yeah, trying to get the probe stuff to run again
[10:24] <ogra> bob2: i'm not sure if this is possible after installation, its probably done in the first stage of install.....
[10:24] <bob2> it's done in the second stage
[10:24] <ogra> bob2: ah, ok...
[10:25] <bob2> you can watch it download xresprobe after the user questions
[10:27] <etorix> ok .. gota sane screen-res at last
[10:28] <ogra> bob2: hmm, apt-cache rdepends xresprobe shows only xfree, so there must be some magic inside xfree.....
[10:28] <bob2> hmm, clever
[10:28] <etorix> wot a pita
[10:29] <bob2> ah, xserver-{xorg,xfree86}'s postinst calls it
[10:29] <ironwolf> where's the printer install how-to?  Installing a new printer via the menu's in Hoary/Printing seems to detect a printer, but printing the test page doesn't work.  Where do I look?
[10:30] <ogra> bob2: but i doubt a reinstall would help.....there is a md5 checksum anywhere that prevernts the config from being redone....
[10:30] <bob2> ogra: the magic of 'sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg ; apt-get install xserver-org' :)
[10:31] <ogra> bob2: hoary....
[10:31] <ogra> bob2: i think you need to delete /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum before .....
[10:32] <bob2> even after purging it?
[10:32] <ogra> bob2: not sure, try it :)
[10:33] <ogra> bob2: i know that no xconfig tool rewrites the file if XF86Config-4.md5sum is there, but i dunno if purge deletes it....
[10:35] <RuffianSoldier> gdm flexiserver xnest is fun :-D
[10:37] <cef> I'm interested in recording some video.. any recommended tools and formats that are supported by ubuntu natively?
[10:37] <bob2> ogg theora!
[10:38] <ironwolf> printing anyone?  Where do I look?
[10:38] <cef> bob2: was thinking that.. is that pretty standard? last I heard (a while ago) the video format itself was changing
[10:38] <Blackwell> cef: i suggest to start looking for the right tool instead of the right format.
[10:39] <Blackwell> the right tool will dictact the formats.
[10:39] <Blackwell> it would also dictact the right OS, but you have chosen yours already.
[10:39] <ultrafunk> cef: ripping or recording?
[10:39] <cef> Blackwell: perhaps.. the main issue really though is that i want the video to be viewable under linux
[10:39] <bob2> mpeg-2 is ok, too, iirc
[10:39] <Blackwell> dictate, rather
[10:39] <cef> ultrafunk: recording
[10:40] <bob2> Blackwell: in an ideal world, but his choices are limited initially by external factors (ie government-dictated rules about which formats he can use)
[10:40] <Blackwell> bob2: oh. did he mention those?
[10:40] <cef> and since ubuntu doesn't contain any copyrighted codecs.. makes sense to ask what can be easily recorded to and played back from
[10:41] <bob2> s/copyrighted codec/codecs infringing on actively enforced patents/ :)
[10:41] <Blackwell> cef: any format you pick is a useless pick if you don't find tools to deal with that format, is what i mean.
[10:41] <cef> bob2: whatever..
[10:41] <ultrafunk> cef: theora/ogg vorbis is a good choice, would work with something like gst-record (or Cupid, as it's now being called) and is generally playable with the tools shipping with Hoary at reasonable speed
[10:42] <ultrafunk> (or warty, if you use my gstreamer repository)
[10:42] <tuxJr_14> hi
[10:42] <cef> Blackwell: well the video is all cut.. all I need to do is convert it from video in to an actual data stream
[10:42] <Blackwell> cef: ah, i see. i thought you need to do recording and cutting.
[10:42] <Blackwell> just conversion and the format choice left then i guess.
[10:42] <cef> well hopefully I get my new lappy soon.. which should make this a lot easier..
[10:42] <bob2> x40!
[10:43] <cef> ultrafunk: LUV meeting videos btw. *grin* ..
[10:43] <etorix> hmm .. wonder if LiVES builds on here
[10:43] <cef> bob2: getting an amd64 lappy.. *grin*
[10:43] <LucaBrasi> anyone got any ideas where to look to find out why the fuck a fresh new install just loads a black screen instead of x
[10:43] <bob2> bastard!
[10:43] <bob2> LucaBrasi: we went through this
[10:43] <cef> bob2: *grin* should be fun
[10:43] <bob2> LucaBrasi: run this, 'sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xfree86 ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86'
[10:43] <LucaBrasi> bob2 no you went through how I should reinstall it .. you must work for a big ISP
[10:44] <bob2> cef: work/play/both?
[10:44] <bob2> LucaBrasi: huh?
[10:44] <RuffianSoldier> something is hungry!  You like that memory dont you!
[10:44] <bob2> LucaBrasi: I work for a luverly linux company
[10:44] <cef> bob2: both. work paying.. no hooks. if I left 5 days after they gave it to me, it's still mine
[10:44] <bob2> cef: wow
[10:44] <bob2> nice :)
[10:45] <LucaBrasi> how am I even supposed to run sudo when I dont have a working system
[10:45] <cef> bob2: payback for taking almost 4 weeks out of my life to move the office back in September
[10:45] <LucaBrasi> gezus
[10:45] <bob2> LucaBrasi: ssh in. or switch to a VT.
[10:45] <bob2> cef: ahhhh
[10:45] <melazyboy> Has xorg/fglrx been fixed yet?
[10:45] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 - I got a runaway process...... how can I find which process is using this CPU?
[10:46] <etorix> top
[10:46] <etorix> or htop if you got it
[10:47] <cef> bob2: quite a powerhouse of a machine tho.. ATI 9700 Pro, 1 gig ram, 5 x usb2's, 1 x 1394, etc
[10:47] <cef> bob2: and of course, it'll be running ubuntu *grin*
[10:48] <siddharth> question: is there firefox 1.0 for ubuntu available? could not find it in the universe repository....
[10:48] <bob2> LucaBrasi: or boot without X
[10:48] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: 'top'.
[10:48] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 - huh?
[10:48] <RuffianSoldier> top?
[10:49] <RuffianSoldier> aaaah
[10:49] <LucaBrasi> cant ssh in cant open a vt
[10:49] <bob2> siddharth: universe is not for random updates to things, it's for unsupported Free software.  firefox is in main, and in hoary is at 1.0 and 0.9.3 in warty.  the warty version will not be upgraded.
[10:49] <bob2> LucaBrasi: why?
[10:49] <bob2> cef: oh man, jeaaalous
[10:49] <LucaBrasi> why? because its a black hoele
[10:49] <LucaBrasi> theres nothing
[10:49] <bob2> LucaBrasi: are you sure it's even booting?
[10:49] <LucaBrasi> of course
[10:49] <LucaBrasi> it loads everything
[10:50] <LucaBrasi> then the screen just goes black
[10:50] <bob2> LucaBrasi: and then reaches X and goes black?
[10:50] <siddharth> thanks bob2. I could not locate it in the normal repository so I waded through universe. How do I upgrade warty to hoary? Any links on that?
[10:50] <LucaBrasi> I dont know if it reaches/opens X but it loads everything before it
[10:50] <bob2> LucaBrasi: ok, boot, and hit esc to get into grub.  hit 'e' on the first menu item, then add 'init=/bin/bash' to the end of the 'kernel options'
[10:50] <bob2> then boot it (b, iirc)
[10:50] <cef> Anyone tried the Belkin VideoBus II under Linux/Ubuntu?
[10:50] <bob2> then you will boot into a terminal, and you can run the command I gave you
[10:51] <bob2> make sure the kvm is not involved
[10:51] <bob2> siddharth: er, haory is the unstable version of ubuntu, and is breaking kinda regularily atm
[10:51] <LucaBrasi> kvm has nothing to do with it
[10:51] <bob2> so you say
[10:51] <LucaBrasi> its linux certified
[10:51] <bob2> but I don't think we have any evidence of that
[10:51] <bob2> but make sure it's not plugged in, just in case
[10:52] <spacey`stage> i cant make screenshots in hoary :p
[10:52] <siddharth> bob2: oops.... Guess I'll wait for the stable version. I gave up being on the bleeding edge some time ago :)
[10:52] <bob2> you can
[10:52] <spacey`stage> The Application "gnome-screenshot" has quit unexpectedly.
[10:52] <spacey`stage> =P
[10:52] <bob2> just not from the menu
[10:52] <RuffianSoldier> Did you enjoy eating that RAM Firefox? YES YOU DID! YES YOU DID!
[10:52] <spacey`stage> i just press print screen
[10:53] <joh_> What is the default admun user and password for zope in warty?
[10:53] <Blackwell> RuffianSoldier: memory leak? how much ram?
[10:53] <RuffianSoldier> well - it was using alot of CPU usage also
[10:53] <RuffianSoldier> thats all I was paying attention to
[10:53] <RuffianSoldier> it was going at the lowest 70%
[10:53] <Blackwell> RuffianSoldier: so you don't know how much ram it used or wether that might indicated a memory leak. ok.
[10:54] <etorix> i want gkrellm
[10:54] <RuffianSoldier> so apt-get it
[10:54] <etorix> dont see it
[10:54] <bob2> it's in universe
[10:54] <spacey`stage> RuffianSoldier, where you viewing a paticular page? i have had some high cpu usage at flash pages
[10:54] <bob2> please read the faq
[10:55] <etorix> Package gkrellm is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:55] <etorix> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:55] <etorix> is only available from another source
[10:55] <etorix> errr: Package gkrellm has no installation candidate
[10:55] <RuffianSoldier> I was viewing a PHP page - but I have been on it for at least 20 mins
[10:55] <RuffianSoldier> it just started acting up
[10:55] <bob2> etorix: yes, it's in universe, please read the faq
[10:56] <etorix> i have universe sources
[10:58] <dmsoulman> does anyone know if the next release of ubuntu will come with openoffice 2.0?
[10:58] <RuffianSoldier> I think there was an RC or Beta of some new version recently :-/
[10:58] <etorix> Search results
[10:58] <etorix> 
[10:58] <etorix> No results were found.
[10:58] <dmsoulman> yeah I've been reading about it and I looked at their roadmap and they're thinking March 05
[10:59] <bob2> er, upstream version freeze is long before that
[10:59] <dmsoulman> well I was hoping
[10:59] <bob2> it's up to the RM, but I don't think a month is enough time to beat the bugs out of a .0 release
[10:59] <bob2> it could happen, I guess...
[10:59] <dmsoulman> does offer a lot of great enhancements, would be great for the release if the bugs were worked out
[11:00] <dmsoulman> guess we'll have to see
[11:01] <etorix> apt-cache search gkrellm
[11:01] <etorix> enlightenment-theme-ganymede - cK's Ganymede theme for E
[11:05] <siddharth> question on evolution.... does anyone know how to download all contacts from an LDAP address-book to your local machine?
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> siddharth: why do you need to download
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> you can access it from evolution
[11:07] <siddharth> HrdwrBoB: Correct, I have configured that at my office. I wanted a copy of the addressbook for my home where I do not have access to the LDAP server.
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> tbh the easiest way to do that would be to run an ldap mirror on your machine :)
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> you may be able to do it in evo
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> but I'm not sure how (not at a gui to check atm)
[11:15] <Rohan> how do you tell apt-get to go and meet all dependencies for a package?
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> Rohan: it does automagically
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install foo
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> will get all dependancies for foo
[11:16] <Rohan> thats what i thought.. but sometimes it will say that blabla will not be installed
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> it might be simpyl recommended
[11:17] <ogra> Rohan: so something in your sources.list is wrong, or your package lists are not up to date
[11:17] <ogra> Rohan: what do you try to install ?
[11:17] <Rohan> well im trying to go from sarge to ubuntu
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> haha well yeah
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> you get that
[11:17] <Rohan> and when i try to install ubuntu-base
[11:18] <ogra> Rohan: hmm, there is a official upgrade guide on the wiki
[11:18] <Rohan> yeah i know... i have all the sources
[11:18] <ogra> Rohan: nd removed the sarge sources i hope
[11:18] <Rohan> of course
[11:18] <ogra> hmm
[11:18] <Rohan> it wants to install alsa-base for ubuntu-base
[11:19] <ogra> Rohan: you also did apt-get update ?
[11:19] <Rohan> then it says i need alsa-utils... and i try to meet its dependencies with pciutils.. but it says that it's already installed
[11:19] <Rohan> yeah i did
[11:20] <ogra> Rohan: hmm, pciutils       2.1.11-11
[11:22] <Rohan> hmm
[11:22] <Rohan> i just added in the unstable sources (sid) to see if it would find what it needed there
[11:22] <Rohan> im just assuming that ubuntu is closer to sid than sarge
[11:22] <Rohan> and it seems to be working
[11:23] <ogra> Rohan: thats not good, dont mix ubuntu and debian
[11:24] <etorix>  glxgears
[11:24] <etorix> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:24] <etorix> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[11:25] <Rohan> i dont think im mixing perse... since i told it to install ubuntu-base only and it will look for the packages that it needs in the ubuntu branch and the ones that arent there in the sid branch
[11:25] <ogra> Rohan: ubuntu/warty is to old for sid
[11:26] <Rohan> ic
[11:26] <ogra> Rohan: this will certainly break ... if  not now, then on one of the next upgrades
[11:26] <Rohan> well how do i meet the dependencies then
[11:26] <trukulo> hi
[11:27] <ogra> Rohan: seen this ? https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
[11:27] <ogra>  Just trying to switch sources in sources.list will have interesting and undefined results.
[11:28] <ogra> heh
[11:28] <Rohan> hmm
[11:28] <Rohan> how about sid to ubuntu?
[11:28] <ogra> interesting results *g*
[11:28] <ogra> Rohan: you can do sarge to hoary (unstable)
[11:29] <Rohan> im gone to go sarge>sid>hoary
[11:29] <ogra> Rohan: but unstable means unstable ..... its a bit like debian unstable with experimental
[11:29] <ogra> Rohan: drop sid there
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> well it has it's good days :)
[11:29] <Rohan> you sure
[11:29] <Rohan> ?
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> today, has been a bad day
[11:30] <Rohan> it looks like most people have gone from sid>hoary easily
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> I broke my fainces system a few days ago upgrading it to hoary
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> fiance
[11:30] <ferris> is ubuntu supposed to be as fast as MS Win9X ?
[11:30] <ogra> Rohan: then everything gets updated...you can be sure that between sarge and hoary all the versions are newer
[11:30] <Rohan> ok
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> ferris: depends on the hardware
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> I imagine on low ram systems win9x would perform 'faster'
[11:31] <ferris> i have installed it on a sony viao laptop
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> what are the specs?
[11:31] <ferris> it seems like knoppix was slow also
[11:31] <ironwolf> ptal-mlcd says it initalized correctly, but can't find device.  I'm trying to setup an officejet K60.  dpkg-reconfigure hpoj says it finds the printer on the USB port, but that it can't communicate with it.  What should I try next?
[11:32] <ogra> ferris: what kind of vaio ?
[11:32] <ferris> f590
[11:32] <ferris> it is an 800 mhz
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> ironwolf: re plug it?
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> ferris: how much ram
[11:32] <ogra> ferris: i got a f707 here (600mhz) ...runs pretty fine
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> ram is the main killer
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> if it has normal SODIMM slots just get some more
[11:33] <ogra> ferris: i got 256....
[11:33] <ironwolf> HrdwrBoB: plug it? it's plugged in, and it prints in windows.
[11:33] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: nope, its a vaio....
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: yeah I figured as much
[11:33] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: you have to buy sony mem
[11:33] <ferris> how do i find the specs within ubuntu?
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> ferris: free -m
[11:33] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: which is about 3x expensive
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> tells you your memory
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: hooray! it's like buying a cheap sony camera only to realise you can only buy sony memory sticks
[11:34] <ogra> yep
[11:34] <ogra> its not a trick ;)
[11:34] <ferris> 128
[11:34] <ferris> swap is 489
[11:34] <ogra> ferris: thats your prob then
[11:35] <ferris> the weird thing is that i ran Knoppix on disk, it ran fine
[11:35] <ogra> ferris: it will swap all the time, because main mem is missing....that makes everything slow
[11:35] <ferris> then i installed it on the drive and it slowed down
[11:35] <ferris> so i reinstalled ubuntu
[11:35] <ferris> it is running slow
[11:35] <ferris> do i need to 'defrag'?
[11:36] <ferris> do you ever need to 'defrag' with linux?
[11:36] <ogra> ferris: wont help....
[11:36] <ferris> ok
[11:36] <ogra> ferris: depends on the filesystem you use
[11:36] <ogra> ferris: on journalled ones you dont
[11:37] <ferris> I installed it with the standard settings
[11:37] <ferris> just let it go
[11:37] <ogra> ferris: you can use ubuntu with a smaller desktop, then it doesnt eat so much mem
[11:37] <ferris> how do i do that?
[11:37] <ogra> ferris: the default is ext3 which is journalled.... so no need for defrag
[11:38] <ferris> ok
[11:38] <ferris> is that similar to ntfs?
[11:38] <ogra> ferris: install icewm or xfce4 through synaptic from ubuntus universe....then select one of them on login
[11:38] <ogra> ferris: better :) (but i'm bised here)
[11:38] <ogra> biased
[11:38] <ferris> lol
[11:39] <ironwolf> HrdwrBoB: did you mean unplug it from the computer and re-plug in the USB?
[11:39] <Rohan> 128mb and gnome shouldnt be that sluggish
[11:40] <ogra> Rohan: 256 are a requirement with gnome desktop
[11:40] <ogra> Rohan: else it will swap
[11:40] <Rohan> hmm.. shows what i know heh
[11:40] <ferris> ogra: which is best for a newbie to linux?
[11:41] <ogra> Rohan: but this applys for the newer gnome .... with 2.0 128 was enough
[11:41] <Rohan> ah ic
[11:42] <ogra> ferris: icewm looks a bit like win 9X ..... xfce is something like a small gnome.....
[11:42] <Rohan> if i were learning linux and i had to pick between icewm and xfce4.. i think i would go xfce4
[11:42] <ogra> ferris: its easy to try them...if you dont like them, just uninstall through synaptic
[11:44] <ogra> ferris: if you want it _really_ fast but very spartan, you can use open/black/fluxbox
[11:48] <rod> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4893
[11:48] <rod> anyone got a fix?
[11:49] <housetier> I'll have a fix for you in a few
[11:51] <rod> oh man, that would be great :D
[11:57] <etorix> hmm .. where are my debs going .. is there a auto-clen running or os?
[11:57] <etorix> auto-clean*
[11:58] <qbeek> etorix, locally your debs are in /var/cache/apt/archives/ if it was the question.
[11:58] <Rohan> housetier: while you're at it... fix this too... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8050
[11:59] <rod> lol Rohan
[11:59] <etorix> qbeek:  thats where id expect them to be .. there aint enough in there tho
[11:59] <Rohan> it's annoying to have to install ubuntu on my g4 through sarge
[12:01] <rod> Now we're at it; During install the network card on my asus k8n motherbord gets recognised well, with the forcedeth module, which is right. But when the computer reboots for the first time, the network card doesnt get detected anymore.
[12:01] <rod> Just a modprobe forcedeth aint enough
[12:02] <Rohan> heh i was gonna say just modprobe
[12:02] <rod> the controller or so of the nforce3 motherboard doesnt get recognised anymore or so
[12:02] <rod> during the install dhcp gets setup well though
[12:15] <RuffianSoldier> what are some good console only programs that are in Universe?
[12:16] <asac> hi, is it easy to build a custom livecd (e.g. with latex)? Any pointers how to start?
[12:17] <stuNNed> RuffianSoldier, mc file manager for one
[12:17] <RuffianSoldier> fo sho!
[12:17] <RuffianSoldier> of course
[12:17] <stuNNed> RuffianSoldier, but it is very powerful, be careful
[12:17] <RuffianSoldier> I know! I use it often
[12:17] <RuffianSoldier> what else?
[12:17] <RuffianSoldier> I have Bitchx
[12:18] <RuffianSoldier> centericq
[12:18] <stuNNed> aumix, mpg321
[12:18] <stuNNed> giFTcurs
[12:18] <RuffianSoldier> what are those?
[12:18] <stuNNed> mplayer w/framebuffer
[12:18] <stuNNed> aumix=mixer,mpg321=mp3 player,giFTcurs=p2p frontend
[12:19] <etorix> eLinks
[12:19] <RuffianSoldier> elinks?
[12:19] <RuffianSoldier> hey - bbiab
[12:19] <RuffianSoldier> getting food
[12:19] <etorix> textmode browser
[12:20] <RuffianSoldier> i already have 2 text browsers lol
[12:20] <rod> mp3blaster
[12:21] <rod> ta best
[12:21] <rod> not sure how it compares to mplayer
[12:21] <rod> in fb mode
[12:22] <stuNNed> damn fb should be easier to setup
[12:25] <etorix> hmm .. whats the nvidia-glx command
[12:28] <rod> housetier, do you need more details or so in fixing that bug I mentioned when I joined this room?
[12:29] <stuNNed> etorix, glxinfo ?
[12:30] <etorix> hmm .. no theres a install or setup command
[12:32] <etorix> for the glx-package from ubuntu
[12:33] <etorix> found it
[12:34] <stuNNed> what is it? ;)
[12:35] <etorix> 
[12:35] <etorix> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:35] <etorix> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:36] <etorix> get nvidia-settings too .. its useful
[12:46] <djtansey> does anyone here have experience with partitions? i am trying to install ubuntu on a previous debian install that is on a dual boot system. but i'm not getting the option to modify the current partition table. i can only erase the whole disk. running fdisk on the current system says The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 7294. parted, on the current and install, says Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk!
[12:46] <djtansey> Information: The operating system thinks the geometry on /dev/hda is
[12:46] <djtansey> 116257/16/63.  Therefore, cylinder 1024 ends at 503.999M.
[12:46] <djtansey>  any help?
[12:46] <evil-dna> hello dudes
[12:46] <evil-dna> i ordered my ubuntu discs
[12:47] <evil-dna> but i didnt receive a confirmation email yet :(
[12:47] <evil-dna> any idea when they process the next batch?
[12:47] <stuNNed> evil-dna, taking a while here but think some of mine shipped, they are coming from .nl btw so probly be a while
[12:48] <evil-dna> netherlands?
[12:48] <stuNNed> yes
[12:48] <evil-dna> nice, im in france, it's pretty close :)
[12:48] <xevil> djtansey: have you tried installing in expert mode?
[12:49] <evil-dna> if they could ship some free pot with it it would rock 8)
[12:49] <djtansey> xevil: yes. but i couldn't see any difference other then some module load warnings.
[12:49] <stuNNed> evil-dna, pot?
[12:49] <evil-dna> weed :P
[12:49] <evil-dna> (.nl)
[12:50] <xevil> djtansey: I installed over a Debian installation and didn't have any problems...
[12:50] <stuNNed> evil-dna, i gave that stuff up a few years ago, like 5, heh
[12:51] <djtansey> xevil: my guess is that my partition table is somehow unhappy. fdisk can read it in my current setup but parted can't. i think once i solve than then i'm set.
[12:52] <evil-dna> ja ne
[12:53] <xevil> djtansey: the install allowed me to choose which partition I wanted to modify and select only that one that my previous Debian install resided... I didn't even touch my swap partition
[12:53] <libertine> hi all. does anyone know the default longin details for the mysql server?im trying to login through webmin, but i cant use root/root passwd.
[12:54] <stuNNed> libertine, user mysql ?
[12:55] <djtansey> xevil: yup, but mine doesn't. it only gives me the option to erase the whole disk. even when i say manually edit. i can only assume it is because parted can't read it. the commant print in parted only says "Error: can't have partion outside the disk"
[12:55] <libertine> nope, i get: Login failed : Incorrect administration username or password
[12:55] <libertine> its weird. i had the same setup on my desktop, but root/root pwd works, im sure.
[12:55] <stuNNed> libertine, i found a doc on google to reset root passwd for mysql
[12:55] <xevil> djtansey: bummer...
[12:55] <libertine> stuNNed, i'll have a look. but i've tried dpkg-reconfigure, too
[12:58] <libertine> sudo /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'password'
[12:58] <libertine> that did it :) duh, google is my friend.
[12:58] <stuNNed> there ya go :)
[12:58] <stuNNed> libertine, what are you using mysql for may i ask? :)
[12:58] <stuNNed> google is the shazizzle on the tip of the fizzle
[12:58] <libertine> hahahah
[12:59] <stuNNed> :D
[12:59] <libertine> i work in a skateboard shop, and i'm setting up an online webstore with mambo and mambo-phpshop. so i'm just getting used to playing with it all
[01:00] <stuNNed> have studied oracle in school but proby need to read up on mysql
[01:00] <libertine> yeah, i've only done a few weeks on mysql at uni, last year. cant remember anything :)
[01:01] <libertine> but i've bought a few books last week. php+mysql, etc. gonna be writing something like urkut/myspace, next year when i get time.
[01:02] <stuNNed> do you know if mysql can scale?
[01:02] <libertine> might do it in mono/asp.net but someone reccomended java/tomcat. need to look into it all. interesting stuff though :) but dont tell anyone who shops at our skateshop that i'm a big geek
[01:02] <stuNNed> hehe
[01:03] <libertine> it's pretty popular for large systems, so i imagine it scales well
[01:03] <libertine> i've not looked into it in much detail yet though, tbh
[01:04] <djtansey> i don't seem to have access to /dev/hda (my harddrive) even though dmesg shows it being recognized in the boot. why doesn't /dev/hda exist?
[01:04] <libertine> djtansey, what are you trying to do?
[01:07] <djtansey> libertine: my ubuntu install (and parted in a shell) doesn't seem able to deal with my partitions. i am replacing debian with ubuntu on a dual-boot machine and i get Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk! Information: The operating system thinks the geometry on /dev/hda is 116257/16/63.  Therefore, cylinder 1024 ends at 503.999M. when i try to run parted, and when i say print it just spits out the error again. fdisk. however,
[01:07] <djtansey>  seems happy to read it and to change the partitions though it warns The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 7294. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,and could in certain setups cause problems with:..
[01:07] <rod> is it possible to automaticly increase the NICE level of an app when the window is selected?
[01:08] <rod> would be cool
[01:09] <stuNNed> what do you mean window is selected?
[01:09] <djtansey> libertine: any guesses?
[01:10] <libertine> djtansey, the only thing i can think of is the sizes of logical/primary partitions might be causing some trouble
[01:10] <rod> stuNNed, like... Im copying a huge file via a terminal while playing music in totem
[01:10] <libertine> i've never seen that error before, sorry.
[01:10] <rod> not totem starts to stutter
[01:11] <rod> If I would select totem, it gets a high priority so it stopts stuttering
[01:11] <stuNNed> rod, sure you can renice cp
[01:11] <libertine> rod, i dont think you can do it automatically. it'd be a metacity thing i think
[01:11] <rod> But imagine working in openoffice for example under high load
[01:11] <mjg59> rod: You mean drop the nice level, and you can't without being root
[01:11] <xevil> djtansey: it's wonderful mapping new trails, huh? :)
[01:11] <rod> yeah, the metacity rooms were empty so I came here
[01:12] <rod> yeah, drop the nice level, which increases the priority
[01:12] <mjg59> You need to be root to drop it below 0, so it's not going to happen
[01:12] <djtansey> xevil: :) -- it installed happily on my ibm x40. but i did the whole drive then anyway
[01:12] <libertine> i'm off to ikea folks :) stuNNed, thanks for telling me about that 'google' thing :)
[01:12] <stuNNed> libertine, that is np thank you for the info :)
[01:13] <libertine> that google is a great idea, everyone should be told about it!
[01:13] <libertine> ;)
[01:13] <rod> hmmokay... It would have been a great thing if it was possible.. its a shame imho
[01:14] <xevil> djtansey: how were those partitions created originally?
[01:14] <rod> Always having a high priority in the app you are currently working in
[01:15] <djtansey> xevil: it was a long time ago. probably windows primary install then resizing the vfat partition (though it's ntfs so maybe i did something else) then did debian.
[01:16] <miausX> hi! :)
[01:16] <_kristin_> hi there
[01:17] <stuNNed> where is there?
[01:17] <_kristin_> when trying to use hoary as according to the wiki page, i get a nice looking python 2.4 depencency bug
[01:17] <stuNNed> _kristin_, yes, you need to use dpkg to force install or latest or something
[01:18] <_kristin_> hmm, i do? :/
[01:18] <stuNNed> or/the
[01:18] <stuNNed> yes
[01:28] <thotypous> hi
[01:28] <frogbert> anyone here got a winmodem to work with ubuntu>
[01:28] <Pizbit> Mornin
[01:28] <frogbert> ?
[01:28] <Pizbit> Just wondering how stable hoary is these days:)
[01:29] <thotypous> frogbert, I haven't tryed but you should just download and compile the drivers
[01:29] <thotypous> and it should work
[01:31] <telemac1> hi people
[01:31] <telemac1> were is the source of ubuntu ?
[01:33] <stuNNed> frogbert, yes, with linuxant.com hsf drivers
[01:33] <stuNNed> frogbert, and ubuntu 2.6.9 kernel
[01:35] <thotypous> telemac1, which part of ubuntu?
[01:35] <telemac1> thotypous: the x dectection changes in xserver
[01:36] <thotypous> telemac1, ubuntu is a collection of a lot of different softwares... which one with their source
[01:36] <thotypous> telemac1, if it is really changed, it should be in the FTP
[01:36] <thotypous> telemac1, or, better, in the CVS
[01:36] <telemac1> thotypous: cvs ?
[01:37] <telemac1> thotypous: which is the host of ubuntu cvs ?
[01:37] <thotypous> telemac1, please wait
[01:40] <thotypous> telemac1, I was confused.. the CVS I was seen were the ubuntu backports CVS...
[01:42] <_kristin_> "python-pyxattr: Depends on: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is installed"
[01:42] <_kristin_> i get like 20 of these python-* blah blah
[01:43] <_kristin_> tried to force install of the python2.4_2.4-2ubuntu1_i386.deb package
[01:43] <_kristin_> no errors, but it still complains about the same thing...
[01:43] <thotypous> telemac1, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UnifiedHardwareDetection
[01:44] <thotypous> telemac1, ubuntu uses that software.. it don't have it's own detection code
[01:44] <thotypous> telemac1, the modifications should be only in some scripts that softwares use, but the scripts are itself their source
[01:45] <_kristin_> any help would be greatly appriciated on this...
[01:45] <thotypous> _kristin_, your really need python-pyxattr?
[01:46] <_kristin_> not really no, but my point was that all python extensions and applications that has any python dependencies fails
[01:46] <_kristin_> so upgrade/dist-upgrade fails as well
[01:46] <_kristin_> i think i saw some discussion on this issue on one of the mailing lists
[01:47] <_kristin_> but i cant seem to find the thread....
[01:47] <thotypous> _kristin_, try to update the apt package, if it fails, you should register a bug
[01:47] <thotypous> _kristin_, if it isn't already registered..
[01:48] <_kristin_> i saw one recent python bug on bugzilla, but im not quite sure if its exactly the same... it was pretty anemic in terms of information
[01:49] <thotypous> so you can reply it and add more info
[01:50] <_kristin_> argh, im getting a ton of missing dependencies when trying to run hoary here
[01:50] <kayali> hi there
[01:51] <_kristin_> all relating to this python thingie, and something which seems to be two seperate gimp-data and aptitude problems
[01:51] <_kristin_> ill post a bug i suppose
[01:51] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etiquette-icons.tar.gz   - if anyone is willing to test   http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette for more details
[02:08] <parents> anyone know how to set a nameserver in resolv.conf so it doesn't change? the one my dhcp server gives me sucks.
[02:09] <Pozac> parents, you can tell dhcpcd not to overwrite, just a sec
[02:10] <sven-tek> i thought so too, but have not found any dhcpcd in ubuntu
[02:10] <sven-tek> dirty way would be to remove write righte from resolv.conf :-)
[02:11] <Pozac> It seems to use dhclient
[02:11] <Pozac> there's a /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[02:13] <Pozac> hmm.. in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script, there's a make_resolv_conf() function.. perhaps the contents of it could be commented out?
[02:15] <sdlfkjsl> hello
[02:15] <Pozac> hi
[02:15] <sdlfkjsl> hope someone can help me here
[02:15] <sdlfkjsl> i have a couple of questions
[02:16] <Pozac> probably, ask away :)
[02:16] <sdlfkjsl> i tried to install ubuntu on my notebook with vmware, but when installing the mainsystem it can't read the cd
[02:17] <sdlfkjsl> i ordered the cd's, and downloaded the cd, but it's the same with both
[02:17] <sven-tek> ubuntu kernel seems to miss the drivers for the vmwares cdrom
[02:18] <sdlfkjsl> hmm, but, it loads the cd and all, and tries to configure network settings
[02:19] <sven-tek> yout mean it starts up installs a lot and then, ubuntu says wait i restart into your new ubuntu.. and bang?
[02:20] <sdlfkjsl> it starts install, but one step of the installation process is installing main system ( or something)
[02:20] <sdlfkjsl> and then it's going to copy files and stuff, and then BANG
[02:22] <Pozac> sven-tek, dhcpcd is in universe, and it seems to work ok :)
[02:22] <Pozac> .. at least for hoary
[02:26] <sven-tek> sdlfkjsl, there is a point where it reboots and uses the installed kernel and not the kernel from the install-cd. is seems to break there.
[02:26] <Pozac> but this is before
[02:26] <sdlfkjsl> hmm ok, going to install it on my desktop then
[02:27] <Pozac> what kind of laptop is it, sdlfkjsl ?
[02:27] <sdlfkjsl> medion,
[02:27] <sdlfkjsl> from aldi :P
[02:27] <Pozac> nice :)
[02:28] <sdlfkjsl> but, is ubuntu also a nice for web/ftp/mail server?
[02:29] <sdlfkjsl> i'm totally new to linux and at the moment i have a win2000 server for these things
[02:29] <sdlfkjsl> but, if this is working out nice i'm trying to put it all on linux,
[02:29] <_kristin_> submitting bugs isnt a walk in the park, thats for sure heh
[02:30] <_kristin_> picky bugzilla... but thats a good thing i suppose...
[02:30] <_kristin_> bbl
[02:31] <Atlas> how to configure WebDownloader for X2.5.0final in downloader by default with firefox please?
[02:32] <sven-tek> sdlfkjsl, if it really breaks before - i cant help since i know ubuntu since yesterday too
[02:32] <Atlas> someone can answer to me please?
[02:33] <sdlfkjsl> sven-tek, thx, i'm going to try to install it on my desktop,
[02:33] <sdlfkjsl> if that goes allright i will blame vmware ;P
[02:33] <sven-tek> sdlfkjsl, good choice
[02:34] <sven-tek> i have never installed a linux in vmware over windows. i always did it the other way
[02:35] <sven-tek> but now the few apps i still need run with wine and i dont have vmware any more
[02:35] <sdlfkjsl> ok
[02:38] <sven-tek> anybody here who _likes_ gnomes new behavior to open new windows for each folder you open? can someone explain how to use it, i cant see any good in this
[02:39] <joh_> I love it
[02:40] <plasmo> sven-tek: i just turnit off :)
[02:40] <joh_> the thing is that it opens the window at the same location as it were the last time you opened it. So you can create your own little system of windows
[02:40] <Pozac> I love it too
[02:40] <joh_> I find that very nice
[02:41] <ACIDnet_> hey all
[02:41] <Pozac> hey ACIDnet
[02:41] <plasmo> hello
[02:41] <guru_> hi does anybody get a centrino working?
[02:41] <ACIDnet_> i have a single dynamic IP and a domainname(with no-ip) pointing to my router
[02:41] <oga> hi..... can anybody recommend a bt client for linux?
[02:41] <guru_> oga: azureus
[02:41] <plasmo> bittornado :x
[02:41] <sven-tek_> joh_, thats interesting. can u explain why?
[02:42] <sven-tek_> mldonkey
[02:42] <Pozac> or bittornado
[02:42] <ACIDnet_> i want to be able to have two websites for each PC - my windows IIS (Coursework) and my Ubuntu WebServ (Different Coursework),  i want to access them via subdomains - any ideas how i can do it without changing port numbers
[02:42] <ACIDnet_> would be willing to buy a new router...
[02:42] <Pozac> sven-tek, it's another philosophy for dealing with files, that is easier on the human brain
[02:43] <Pozac> sven-tek, for sadly, our brains are not at all that good with hierachies.
[02:43] <Pozac> ACIDnet, you need another IP address then
[02:43] <guru_> or does anyone know a good tut because the ones up to know did not work
[02:44] <ACIDnet_> Pozac, :(
[02:44] <ACIDnet_> My ISP wont even give me a static....
[02:44] <sven-tek_> Pozac, i try to use it right now. but still i end up with dozends of open windows.
[02:44] <plasmo> use the middle mouse button
[02:44] <Pozac> ACIDnet, unless you can forward a folder to another machine in apache..
[02:45] <cef> hey does standard wine support OpenGL yet out of the box?
[02:45] <Pozac> sven-tek, maybe your homedir could use some reorganization?
[02:45] <Pozac> cef, I should believe so, if the system does
[02:45] <ctd> ACIDnet_: You could do a reverse-squid proxy.
[02:46] <Pozac> sven-tek, it works best for higher resolutions though
[02:46] <cef> Pozac: hrm.. got a win app that needs OpenGL.. might give it a try *grin*
[02:46] <Pozac> cef, go ahead :)
[02:48] <ACIDnet_> ok, i got zoneedit to forward a subdomain onto the main ip but with a different port
[02:48] <ACIDnet_> not a perfect solution but works
[02:48] <Pozac> It can, and should, be transparent from the outside tho
[02:48] <sven-tek_> Pozac, lol what is the high resolution for - i guess one need it for those hundreds of nautlius-instances
[02:49] <Pozac> sven-tek, 800x600 is high enough for me tho
[02:49] <neels> Any qt programmers around?
[02:49] <Pozac> sven-tek, You can just set to always use the browser.. in /apps/nautilus somewhere in gconf
[02:49] <neels> My qt app looks ghastly
[02:50] <Pozac> sven-tek, I also use my homedir as desktop.. and keep ~20 folders on my desktop, of which 5 have different backgrounds for easy distinguishing
[02:50] <sven-tek> Pozac, i know that and always did it. But i try to understand the reasons so i can use it better perhaps.
[02:50] <deus> hi all
[02:51] <deus> could anyone help me plz
[02:51] <Pozac> We can try
[02:51] <Pozac> if you ask a question :)
[02:51] <deus> i search since ource a dokument where described a change from woody to warty
[02:52] <deus> i know i saw it times befor but my woodhad has forgotten where
[02:52] <deus> and today i search and search and cant find it
[02:52] <sven-tek> I HATE THOSE can i ask a question - questions
[02:52] <sven-tek> JUST ASK
[02:52] <Pozac> yeh
[02:52] <deus> welcome to ubuntu how friendly
[02:52] <deus> i still asked :)
[02:53] <neels> I need qt help anyone
[02:53] <sven-tek> OR DO YOU WHAT FOR 293 PEOPLE TO SAY YES
[02:53] <sven-tek> WAIT not WHAT
[02:53] <deus> bad vibes today ?
[02:53] <Pozac> neels, can't help you, sorry
[02:53] <fabbione> chill down
[02:53] <neels> :)
[02:53] <deus> :)
[02:54] <deus> iam chilled i only asked if someone know where i can find the dokumentation for switching a woody installation to ubuntu, all i have done ... :)
[02:54] <Pozac> deus, Sometimes people forget how timid joining a channel can seem.. don't worry :)
[02:54] <xevil> isn't this the Psychic Friends Network? :)
[02:54] <mercurus> deus: FAQ iirc
[02:55] <stuNNed> anyone having nvidia glx issues with unstable current?
[02:55] <rolfzor> stuNNed: yep
[02:55] <deus> Pozac : no Problem, everyone has its bad day cause thats why we humans ;)
[02:55] <cef> stuNNed: yeah xorg issue.. there is a temp fix
[02:56] <stuNNed> cef, ah ok, what is it? :D
[02:56] <stuNNed> rolfzor, thanks
[02:57] <cef> in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions, make s symbolic link from libglx.so to libglx.a
[02:58] <stuNNed> ok, thanks
[02:58] <cef> note that this should be removed when this problem is fixed
[02:58] <neels> why does my qt application look like shit on ubuntu?
[02:59] <looksaus> is gst-python packaged in ubuntu main?
[02:59] <stuNNed> cef, do i need to reload nvidia module/restart x?
[02:59] <looksaus> or just in universe
[03:00] <cef> stuNNed: yes
[03:00] <cef> stuNNed: just restart x
[03:00] <deus> next question : is there anyone here with a Thinkpad 600e and Ubuntu on it, cause have a few questions to enable the sound chip ..
[03:00] <neels> nark nark nark
[03:05] <sven-tek> anybody here who has a good "howto make totem play mediafiles" or "howto install mplayer"
[03:06] <rolfzor> sven-tek: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:07] <plasmo|sleep> or http://ubuntuguide.org/ for all your howtos :)
[03:07] <sven-tek> ok, thought one of you has a beloved one
[03:09] <siretart> sven-tek: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty
[03:10] <looksaus> this is funny
[03:10] <afonit> has anyone added this repository  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main    and if so how do you get ubuto to recognize it as a legitimate source?
[03:10] <looksaus> I updated my apt sources to include
[03:10] <looksaus> universe
[03:10] <looksaus> but it doesn't seem to find
[03:11] <looksaus> gst-python
[03:11] <looksaus> even though it is present: http://ftp.belnet.be/linux/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gst-python/
[03:11] <looksaus> same with other packages
[03:11] <looksaus> strange...
[03:11] <bob2> it's not in warty
[03:11] <sven-tek> siretart, i get this " The item you requested does not exist on this server or cannot be served."
[03:12] <bob2> but is in hoary
[03:12] <bob2> pool/ contains packages for all suites
[03:12] <bob2> afonit: you need to be way more specific about hte problem you're having
[03:12] <afonit> bob2 I will reasearch a tad more, then be more specific
[03:12] <siretart> sven-tek: try again, I get the page
[03:13] <cef> wow.. ubuntu actually prompted me what to do when I put in this cd.. (it contains audio and data)
[03:13] <sven-tek> siretart, ok fixed it
[03:14] <looksaus> bob2, how likely is it that I'll get errors when I pin gst-python from hoary?
[03:17] <bob2> how much stuff does it Depend on?
[03:18] <looksaus> you mean from hoary?
[03:18] <bob2> yes
[03:18] <looksaus> probably the entire gstreamer thing...
[03:18] <looksaus> it's not really a problem if sound on this machine stops working...
[03:19] <looksaus> it's just the rest of my system that I want to be stable...
[03:23] <Capri> anyone here with possibility to write to smbfs share with latest ubuntu warty package?
[03:24] <oga> any recommendations on movie player?
[03:24] <oga> (including wmv)
[03:25] <Capri> oga: I use totem-xine although I have to start it twice to see something
[03:26] <oga> it keeps saying - cannot open file - reason unknown
[03:27] <oga> meh
[03:34] <Capri> oga: you need some propritary addons and the dlls from marillat's repository
[03:35] <crimsun> ogra: there are a number of options: 'vlc', 'totem-xine', or 'mplayer'
[03:36] <crimsun> ogra: err, sorry.
[03:36] <crimsun> oga: there are a number of options: 'vlc', 'totem-xine', or 'mplayer'
[03:41] <cef> Pozac: re: wine and OpenGL.. the answer is: sort of
[03:42] <stuNNed> cef, is that nvidia prob an ubuntu xorg prob or xorg prob in general?
[03:42] <sls> i have a service that:
[03:42] <sls> dead but subsys locked
[03:42] <cef> ubuntu xorg afaik
[03:43] <sls> how do i get rid of theh subsys so i can restart the service?
[03:44] <crimsun> cef: the brown paper bag issue?
[03:44] <crimsun> cef: the one fixed in 8?
[03:44] <sls> does anyone know anything about services?
[03:44] <crimsun> what service?
[03:44] <sls> pxe
[03:44] <sls> its dead
[03:45] <sls> but subsys locked...
[03:45] <cef> crimsun: no, the one that isn't fixed in 8
[03:45] <crimsun> cef: what are the symptoms?
[03:45] <sls> is there a socket file i can delete?
[03:45] <cef> crimsun: bug 4818..
[03:45] <crimsun> ah, I see.
[03:45] <crimsun> yep.
[03:46] <cef> crimsun: daniels & fabbione both know about it.. lib*.so loading doesn't search the path
[03:46] <crimsun> cef: correct.
[03:46] <sls> crimsun: i would rather no apply the windows solution and reboot
[03:47] <cef> erm what? the gnome bar (at the top) is unusable
[03:49] <crimsun> cef: (it works here)
[03:50] <cef> hrm.. just upgraded.. might need to restart gnome.. annoying, since I now can't get to the log out option
[03:50] <FallenHitokiri> when I try to shut down my system it reboots after saying: "acpi-power-off requested". how can I fix this that my system turns off?
[03:52] <cef> this is wacked.. "I've detected a panel running, so I will exit now".. ho hum
[03:53] <stuNNed> cef, you must be running leet ultra-unstable ubuntu ;)
[03:53] <cef> stuNNed: heh
[03:53] <zeedo> cef: thats a gnome panel message which happens if you start gnome without logging out properly before hand
[03:53] <zeedo> it starts gnome-panel by default and then starts the one from your previous session
[03:54] <cef> zeedo: well the panel at the top 'died' on me, so that explains why it came up
[03:54] <zeedo> yeh
[03:54] <cef> of course now i have blank panels at the top/bottom of the screen
[03:55] <cef> and ctrl-alt-backspace just dropped me to a command prompt
[03:55] <eim> How can I define a default OS to boot in grub after the timeout? Thanks.
[03:55] <crimsun> cef: I had that happen on the very first login to GNOME after I rebooted 2 days ago
[03:56] <crimsun> cef: I killed everything related to gnome and logged back in, and all was peachy
[03:56] <sls> seb128: do you live in Nancy France?
[03:56] <cef> crimsun: I had it happen like that too.. but I started the machine today a few times.. only hapened again since I upgraded
[03:57] <crimsun> I suspect one only needs to kill certain gnome daemons
[03:57] <cef> nup, seems permanent here
[03:57] <crimsun> But I took the hammer approach
[04:00] <occy> crimsun: tx again for your help yesterday evening.
[04:00] <skaffen> eim: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst ,look for the line that starts with "saved"
[04:00] <eim> skaffen: Thanks
[04:00] <occy> crimsun: occy.net (left sidebar)
[04:00] <crimsun> occy: np :) No, I don't maintain a web page. Yes, I'm the same one on debianplanet.org et al.
[04:00] <occy> crimsun: haha
[04:00] <occy> crimsun: you read my mind..
[04:00] <cef> yup killing every gnome process manually then stopping and stareting gdm fixed it
[04:01] <eim> skaffen: Seems like I need "savedefault".
[04:02] <occy> Could the fact that I can use this one java web tool under MS Windows XP with IE6 and Firefox, but not under Linux be a fact that the java code is making calls to specific windows things?  I can play Yahoo java games just find under Firefox on Linux, but can't view that one websites application.
[04:02] <cef> crimsun: that's just plain annoying.. *sigh*
[04:03] <crimsun> occy: possibly. Does the jvm tell you which applet fails to init?
[04:03] <crimsun> cef: indeed.
[04:03] <crimsun> cef: seb128 probably has more insight.
[04:03] <occy> crimsun: hmmm, is there a console I can initiate or something to ascertain that?
[04:04] <occy> ahh
[04:04] <crimsun> occy: sometimes the error is printed in the space on the web page where the applet should have loaded; sometimes it creates a log file in ~
[04:04] <occy> java console
[04:04] <skaffen> eim: savedefault works if you set default to "saved"
[04:04] <occy> :)
[04:04] <occy> web dev tool rocks
[04:04] <crimsun> occy: yep, that works, too.
[04:04] <Rhodan> hell thar
[04:04] <Rhodan> hello*
[04:05] <Rhodan> I installed warty and upgraded to hoary via synaptic, after rebooting a message comes up saying there is a xserver already running on this display
[04:05] <Rhodan> what do I do ?
[04:06] <crimsun> Rhodan: are you able to log into GNOME and use it?
[04:07] <Rhodan> well i guess not, this message comes up straight away
[04:07] <occy> crimsun: does that look bad?
[04:07] <mdke> Can someone tell me how to change the default amount of time that the console waits before blacking out after inactivity?
[04:07] <crimsun> occy: which jre/jdk are you using?
[04:07] <occy> I grabbed the blackdown version  (and tried to use the debian one from multiverse too
[04:07] <occy> +)
[04:08] <crimsun> occy: hmm. 1.4.x?
[04:08] <occy> crimsun: yah... sec
[04:08] <crimsun> `java -version'
[04:08] <occy> 1.4.2
[04:08] <occy> hmmm
[04:08] <occy> I wonder if I need to have a path set
[04:09] <occy> I simply have the symlink setup now.
[04:09] <crimsun> occy: for the moz-firefox plugin, just the symlink is sufficient
[04:09] <Rhodan> crimsun: any idea's ?
[04:09] <occy> I type which java  and it's not found, but it's in /usr/local/bin/j2re1.4.2/
[04:09] <crimsun> Rhodan: `X -version'
[04:10] <occy> crimsun: right, but if it needs some sort of local system java stuff, won't it need the path to be set?
[04:10] <occy> I bet that's the problem.
[04:10] <crimsun> occy: actually in that case, $CLASSPATH would need to be set
[04:10] <Rhodan> crimsun: what do you mean ?
[04:10] <ib_> Hi all
[04:10] <occy> crimsun: how can I do that. (man you are a busy guy)
[04:10] <ib_> The first time for my ubuntu installation
[04:11] <crimsun> occy: prepending the $JAVA_HOME/bin path to your $PATH may help, too
[04:11] <occy> I wish I was worth a lot of money so I could afford to pay guys like you and ogra and bob2 for helping people on irc.
[04:11] <occy> heh
[04:11] <ib_> But i have a problem about the modem of Laptop Dell C840.
[04:11] <crimsun> Rhodan: type that command in a terminal and say what version it reports
[04:11] <occy> if that VA stock only would have held up at $200+/share.  *sigh*
[04:11] <occy> heh
[04:12] <Rhodan> crimsun: thats if I could get to the terminal as this blasted message is there, it won't let met ctrl + alt f2-f7
[04:12] <occy> export $PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin/j2re1.4.2/bin
[04:12] <occy> will that work?
[04:13] <crimsun> occy: export PATH=/usr/local/bin/j2re1.4.2/bin:$PATH
[04:13] <occy> ahh
[04:13] <occy> I can never remember that silly syntax
[04:14] <crimsun> ib_: have you looked on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops ?
[04:15] <crimsun> Rhodan: can you ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[04:15] <Rhodan> tried that
[04:15] <Rhodan> stupid ass message just keeps coming back
[04:15] <ib_> thx
[04:16] <bob2> hah
[04:17] <Pozac> Rhodan, have you tried about hitting ESC at boot and selecting the rescue option?
[04:17] <occy> stupid question #4325452452:  How can I set the resolution of GDM?  I had to change to 1024x768 for my gnome session, and now the GDM login screen is at 1400x1050 still... (and barely does show the login field)
[04:17] <Pozac> eh. recovery mode, that is :)
[04:17] <Rhodan> Pozac: i can try that, what do I do if that works
[04:18] <Pozac> occy, I think you may have to set the 1024x768 option first in your list of resolutions in your x config
[04:18] <cuga> Heya, I am using accelerated video drivers (which replaced the libgl), now i can't apt-get anything cause it keeps trying to put libgl back, how can i tell it too ignore taht so i can apt stuff again?
[04:18] <occy> Pozac: okies
[04:18] <crimsun> occy: usually I edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and do what Pozac said.
[04:18] <khad> Anyone know why gxine would play encrypted DVDs but totem-xine will only play non-encryoted DVDs? THey use the same backend (libxine) right?
[04:18] <occy> ahh ok
[04:18] <crimsun> occy: then `sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart'
[04:20] <Pozac> Rhodan, I'm not sure - are you sitting at the computer you're fixing?
[04:21] <Rhodan> Pozac: yes, in XP at the mo, so i'll have to reboot in Ubuntu
[04:22] <Pozac> Rhodan, if it complains that there's already a server running, one must be - perhaps on vty8?
[04:22] <Pozac> or have you installed Xvnc or something?
[04:23] <Rhodan> Pozac: I installed warty, amended souces.list to hoary, and upgraded to hoary, thats all I did
[04:23] <Rhodan> rebooted, and now this message
[04:23] <Pozac> ok
[04:24] <khad> Nobody knows anything about totem-xine vs. gxine? ....
[04:25] <crimsun> khad: dpkg -l libdvdcss2 |grep ^ii
[04:26] <khad> ii  libdvdcss2     1.2.8-sarge0.0 Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtime
[04:26] <bob2> haha, USN for nasm
[04:27] <khad> crimsun, I have libdvdcss2 installed and it works fine when I use gxine, I just can't figure out why totem-xine doesn't want to acknowledge it.
[04:28] <AndyFitz> khad:  I have your same problem
[04:28] <AndyFitz> actually sorry only with some video files.  I can play dvd's fine
[04:28] <mojo> ale ale
[04:28] <khad> AndyFitz, I just can't figure out why two frontends using the same library have different playback issues
[04:28] <mojo> I just pack a new Debian RealPlayer 10 with MPEG4 support, who needs, pls raise hand!
[04:28] <crimsun> occy: got the gdm straightened out?
[04:29] <Pozac> Rhodan, the best advice I can give you is learn how to ubuntu/debian /etc/rcX.d works and figure out why X gets started twice using recovery mode.
[04:31] <Rhodan> Pozac: ok, thanks anyway
[04:40] <occy> crimsun: :/
[04:40] <occy> crimsun: can't seem to keep 1024x768 in 24bpp but 1400x1050 does
[04:40] <occy> quite odd
[04:41] <crimsun> occy: in Section "Screen" of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, did you modify the Modes line in Depth 24?
[04:41] <occy> yah
[04:41] <Tomcat_> mojo?
[04:41] <occy> changed it to be 1024x768
[04:41] <occy> the 24bit depth one which is default depth
[04:41] <crimsun> occy: and you have a "DefaultDepth 24"?
[04:41] <mojo> Tomcat: just Debian package of RealPlayer 10 + MPEG4 plugin
[04:42] <occy> either that, or the image that is selected for 1024x768 is poorly gradiated.
[04:42] <crimsun> occy: what's the Modes line?
[04:43] <occy> hmm
[04:43] <occy> modeline pattern not found
[04:43] <Pozac> 'Modes'-line
[04:43] <occy> oh
[04:43] <Pozac> ;)
[04:44] <occy> Depth 24  Modes "1024x768"
[04:44] <occy> guess I could do:  1024x768,1400x1050"
[04:44] <Tomcat_> mojo: I myself don't need it... but I asked a friend. I might come up to you again.
[04:44] <crimsun> occy: can you alter that to: Modes "1024x768" "1400x1050"
[04:44] <occy> ahh ok
[04:46] <occy> odd
[04:46] <occy> wish there was a way to tell GDM to stay fixed at a certain resolution.
[04:46] <occy> it changes depending on what resolution I change to as my user.
[04:46] <occy> under multiple users, that can be problematic
[04:49] <occy> be back soon, gotta do some Christmas stuff.
[04:51] <Blackwell> hi :)
[04:52] <Pozac> Blackwell :)
[05:07] <etorix> ok i feel better
[05:08] <etorix>   i got gkrellm + gkrellm-common from my debian-amd64 local archive .. lol
[05:11] <Capri> are there any other 2.6 kernels (next to 2.6.8.1) available?
[05:12] <etorix> my hoary hedgehog has a 2.6.9
[05:12] <etorix> dunno if i can recommend it tho ..
[05:13] <etorix> ive only bin using ubuntu for a dat or so
[05:13] <etorix> day*
[05:14] <etorix> what shows in synaptic?
[05:16] <Capri> I have the possibility between two 2.6.8.1
[05:16] <Capri> a -3 and a -4 from security-warty
[05:17] <Capri> With both I can not write to samba shares which is a known bug in the vanilla kernel tree
[05:17] <cenerentola> ciao, is there any kind of bootable cd that i could use for disk partitioning?
[05:17] <etorix> i didnt enjoy any of the 2.6.8 series
[05:17] <Capri> in the preview state of warty there was a 2.6.7. Does anyone know if I still can find it anywhere?
[05:18] <Capri> etorix: do u know if samba write on share works with the hoary 2.6.9?
[05:18] <etorix> no clue
[05:18] <etorix> sorry
[05:22] <Mabus> greetings! Ever since the Xorg improvements landed in hoary, I've been getting consistent onstartup crashes in gnome-applets. Does anyone know what's wrong or where I can find any log output ?
[05:22] <Mabus> daniels: ping ? Do you know?
[05:23] <etorix> var/log usually has the logpile .. and xsession-errors in $home
[05:24] <Mabus> hmm, no files called anything with "session" in home
[05:26] <Gwildor|Work> llok in var/log?
[05:26] <Gwildor|Work> look
[05:26] <Mabus> "panel" isn
[05:26] <Mabus> d'oh
[05:26] <etorix> its un-visible
[05:26] <Mabus> "panel" isn't mentioned in /var/log
[05:26] <Gwildor|Work> xsession-errors in var/log
[05:26] <Mabus> doesn't exist
[05:27] <Mabus> I've installed the gnome-panel-dbg package, if that helps in any way
[05:27] <Mabus> ah
[05:28] <Mabus> .xsession-errors
[05:28] <Mabus> thanks etorix
[05:28] <Mabus> (in home)
[05:29] <Gwildor|Work> glad you found it :).........sorry
[05:29] <Mabus> thanks for trying :)
[05:29] <Mabus> but because we found the file doesn't mean I know what's wrong :)
[05:30] <Gwildor|Work> im afraid of X settings........
[05:31] <Mabus> hmm, I don't think it logs to xsession-errors
[05:31] <etorix> hmm
[05:31] <etorix> (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[05:31] <etorix> (WW) Warning, couldn't open module glx
[05:31] <etorix> (II) UnloadModule: "glx"
[05:31] <etorix> (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)
[05:32] <Mabus> so nobody else has the same problem ?
[05:32] <etorix> i use xfce4 x64-bit
[05:41] <Mabus> does anyone know how I can prevent gnome-panel to autostart ?
[05:42] <Mabus> if so, I can start it from a terminal and watch the output
[05:42] <Mabus> might tell me something
[05:42] <Mabus> or can I "listen" to stderr somehow ?
[05:42] <seb128> the output is in ~/.xsession-errors
[05:42] <seb128> you can also killall gnome-panel like 10 times in a row
[05:43] <seb128> it'll stop to respaw
[05:43] <seb128> or remove it from the session
[05:44] <Mabus> ah, there it stopped
[05:44] <Mabus> that was more like 20 :)
[05:45] <Mabus> bah! no output, nothing in xsession-errors, and didn't work.
[05:45] <Mabus> tried with --g-fatal-warnings as well
[05:47] <seb128> Mabus: what doesn't work ?
[05:47] <Mabus> seb128: gnome-panel in hoart
[05:47] <Mabus> *hoary
[05:47] <seb128> "what" = details
[05:47] <Mabus> it crashes on start
[05:47] <seb128> doesn't work can be a billions of stuff
[05:48] <Mabus> yeah :)
[05:48] <seb128> get a backtrace ?
[05:48] <anir> hi
[05:48] <Mabus> I've tried looking in /var/log, .xsession-errors, stdout and stderr, and haven't found anything
[05:48] <anir> how will i install tv card on ubuntu??
[05:48] <Mabus> seb128: find . -type f | xargs cat | grep panel in /var/log gives nothing.
[05:48] <seb128> Mabus: apt-get install bug-buddy
[05:49] <seb128> you get a window on the crash to send a bug upstream
[05:49] <seb128> in the details of this window there is a backtrace
[05:49] <Mabus> seb128: aargh! I thought I had that package already :D
[05:49] <Mabus> bah
[05:49] <seb128> you should
[05:49] <Mabus> I didn't understand why I didn't get the bug-buddy window
[05:49] <Mabus> I've always gotten that before
[05:50] <Mabus> I think it was removed some time ago due to some packages not being upgraded simultaneously
[05:50] <anir> hey guys
[05:50] <Mabus> (or however that's spelled)
[05:50] <anir> hi to all
[05:51] <twisted_steel> hello anir
[05:52] <anir> hi twisted_steel
[05:52] <anir> twisted_steel: can u tell me how can i wantch tv using xawtv?
[05:53] <twisted_steel> anir: unfortunately I have no experience with watching tv on a computer
[05:54] <anir> can anyone help me please?
[05:56] <Mabus> erm.. can anyone please write an AT-sign so I can copy it ?
[05:56] <bur[n] er_> @
[05:57] <twisted_steel> @
[05:57] <Mabus> thanks
[05:57] <qbeek> in my search of a well gnome code editor, I found Moleskine (http://sourceforge.net/projects/moleskine/). Does anyone know if it is an interesting project?
[05:59] <bur[n] er_> never used it qbeek
[06:00] <bur[n] er_> i use bluefish usually
[06:00] <Mabus> seb128: I submitted a bugreport now.
[06:00] <Mabus> seb128: however, since I used bug-buddy, I don't know the #id
[06:02] <anir> guys can u help me plz
[06:02] <bur[n] er_> anir: you can do it ;)
[06:03] <anir> bur[n] er_: i have install xawtv.. but there is no signal.. what do i do?
[06:04] <bur[n] er_> do you have support for your tv card?
[06:04] <anir> bur[n] er_: how do i check if its properly installed or not??
[06:04] <bur[n] er_> uhh... what driver are you using, what card?
[06:04] <bur[n] er_> ugh... better yet, just google... i gotta go to work :\  sorry
[06:06] <noamsml> excuse me, I have recently upgraded to hoary and I have noticed that I can't change the gnome applications menu anymore, is there anything I can do to change that?
[06:08] <Mojo_Jojo> noamsml, what happens when you "nautilus application:///Internet" or what ever you want to edit
[06:09] <anir> any one here to help me???
[06:09] <Mabus> anir: tried mythtv ?
[06:10] <anir> mabus: how will i install the driver?
[06:11] <Mabus> I have no idea
[06:11] <Mabus> tried Video4Linux ?
[06:13] <anir> mabus: where will i get it?
[06:13] <Mabus> google
[06:13] <Mabus> heh :)
[06:13] <anir> mobus:k
[06:13] <Mabus> anir: you need to enable v4l in the kernel
[06:13] <Mabus> I think
[06:14] <anir> mabus: thank you :)
[06:15] <etorix> bicyclerepair ??
[06:15] <eim> Anyone has installed Ubuntu on an Intel Serial ATA system (RAID)?
[06:16] <anir> what is the command to join other rooms??
[06:16] <Mabus> hmm, it looks like the crash is related to the recent file list
[06:17] <Mabus> seb128, etorix: know how to clear it ?
[06:17] <etorix> no .. but the install cd sees my SATA hd ok
[06:17] <etorix> recent file list?
[06:17] <etorix> a dist-upgrade?
[06:18] <jovian> anir "/join #room"
[06:18] <Mabus> no, the recently opened/viewed file list in the menu
[06:18] <eim> etorix: The installer does not see the configure SATA RAID but only the singled Hard Disks.
[06:18] <etorix> ah recently opened files
[06:18] <anir> mobus: how can enable v4l..what is the command??
[06:19] <Mabus> anir: make-kpkg kernel_image && cd .. && dpkg -i kernel-package-XX-XX.deb
[06:19] <Mabus> or similar
[06:19] <Mabus> anir: basically, you need to compile the kernel
[06:19] <Mabus> :)
[06:19] <etorix> mabus .. that menu is prolly a xml file
[06:19] <Mabus> etorix: hmm, perhaps..
[06:19] <Mabus> I couldn't find it in .gnome2
[06:20] <etorix> look in etc/x11/gdm or so ..
[06:20] <anir> mobus: i am not atall comfortable with kernel..:) i am new to use it.. still trying
[06:20] <etorix> ive seen one in passing like ..
[06:20] <sjoerd> Mabus: doesn't the ubuntu kernel support v4l stuff ?
[06:20] <Mabus> sjoerd: ah, good point. It might do that.
[06:21] <Mabus> I dist-upgraded from debian sid to hoary :)
[06:21] <Mabus> anir: sjoerd's right, it probably supports v4l already.
[06:21] <etorix> im on a generic ubuntu .. aint got round to a k8 yet
[06:21] <etorix>  but i will
[06:22] <Mabus> anir: I'm quite sure there are websites that specialize in TV/Video on linux.
[06:22] <Mabus> anir: it's probably alot easier to ask them.
[06:22] <sjoerd> anir: do you have an /sys/class/video4linux dir?
[06:22] <anir> mobus: i am searching it..
[06:23] <anir> anyways that you very much guys..
[06:23] <Mabus> http://www.exploits.org/v4l/
[06:24] <Mabus> anir: searching google for "video on linux" gave that as the first hit.
[06:24] <anir> "/join #ubuntu-offtopic"
[06:24] <jovian> without the quotes anir
[06:24] <anir> *thank you
[06:24] <jovian> np
[06:24] <Mabus> sjoerd: do you know where the recently opened files list is stored ?
[06:24] <Mabus> (for gnome-panel menu)
[06:25] <sjoerd> Mabus: ~/.recently-used
[06:25] <anir> sjoerd..let me check it out.. can u tell me how?
[06:25] <Mabus> oh god
[06:25] <Mabus> sjoerd: thanks alot
[06:25] <Mabus> now gnome-panel actually works dandy
[06:26] <kergan> i harve a prob witht he weather applet
[06:26] <kergan> now
[06:26] <sjoerd> anir: open a terminal and do "ls /sys/class/video4linux"
[06:27] <Mojo_Jojo> kergan, what problems are you having wiht the weater applet?
[06:27] <anir> sjoerd: its giving output  vbi0 video0
[06:27] <kergan> this is a good one ok i can put it on the panel
[06:27] <sjoerd> anir: then your driver is loaded correctly
[06:28] <kergan> as soon as i slect my location it crashes
[06:28] <kergan> then i click close and gnome freazes
[06:28] <anir> sjoerd?: so what should i do next?
[06:28] <sjoerd> anir: zapping is much nicer to watch television then xawtv imho
[06:28] <martin_> hi everyone
[06:28] <kergan> if i slect and other location it works like a dream
[06:29] <kergan> and=any
[06:30] <xskoulax|sleep> hi martin
[06:30] <sjoerd> anir: install zapping (it's in universe), do edit->channels and tune your device to some nice channel :)
[06:30] <anir> sjoerd:zapping.. i will install it..the command should be " sudo apt-get install zapping" right?
[06:31] <sjoerd> anir: that should work
[06:32] <martin_> xskoulax|sleep, i found a great site to learn linux commands http://www.tldp.org/
[06:32] <anir> sjoerd: zapping is not on my list.. though my universe is enabled
[06:34] <anir> sjoerd: lol i got into a helping site and i got more confused...lol
[06:34] <karim> hi
[06:35] <jovian> anir i have zapping in universe
[06:35] <karim> how are the X credential given when you do a su ?
[06:35] <jovian> double check to make sure universe is enabled
[06:36] <|QuaD-> karim: eh?
[06:37] <xskoulax> yea martin_ that site is good
[06:37] <xskoulax> how you liking ubuntu so far?
[06:38] <karim> |QuaD-, when you su, you can run a X application from the sued user
[06:38] <|QuaD-> right
[06:40] <|QuaD-> is that anir i see in here?
[06:42] <|QuaD-> i have the 20GB one
[06:42] <anir> how are you blackwell
[06:42] <|QuaD-> its nice
[06:42] <Se7h> one thing
[06:42] <Se7h> is ubuntu ready to use usb2.0 ?
[06:42] <Atlas> hello
[06:43] <|QuaD-> Se7h: i believe it can.... debian sid does...
[06:43] <|QuaD-> hey atlas, sup
[06:43] <Atlas> someone has seti@home ?
[06:43] <anir> hey quad how are you
[06:44] <|QuaD-> anir: just fine, and you? i thouhgt you are done with linux
[06:44] <|QuaD-> Atlas: i used to.... a few months back, what do you need?
[06:44] <Tyche> Hello there.
[06:44] <Atlas> I search help to configure applets for gnome2
[06:44] <Tyche> I was wondering. I installed Rhythmbox and gstreamer-mad and still not playing MP3's any suggestions?
[06:45] <|QuaD-> Atlas: sorry it was back in my kde days, but maybe i can still help?
[06:45] <sjoerd> anir: it should be there, you sure your got your universe lines
[06:45] <anir> quad: i love linux.. i was a bit frustrated  yesterday.. sorry about that..
[06:45] <|QuaD-> LOL
[06:46] <anir> sjoerd: i am installing zapping
[06:46] <|QuaD-> Tyche: i prefer using totem-xine and xmms, i reccomend against gstreamer and would recommend xine (and some UI)
[06:46] <Se7h> |QuaD- well, i supose so
[06:46] <Se7h> but im not geting the full transfer speed from usb2 i should get
[06:47] <anir> sjoerd: i got it.. installing
[06:47] <arctick> id recomend using rythembox rather than xmms
[06:47] <arctick> xmms is overrated
[06:47] <|QuaD-> arctick: thats why there are multiple options :)
[06:48] <arctick> indeed, choice is the best thing about linux
[06:48] <Mojo_Jojo> rythembox is cool :)
[06:48] <arctick> just thought while we were expressing personal opinions i would jump on the bandwagon
[06:48] <|QuaD-> arctick: i tried it back in its early days, didn't work so well, so i just stuck to xmms
[06:49] <arctick> i cant wait until rythembox has cdburning support
[06:49] <mojo_> quad: u know of a playlist plugin for xmms?
[06:49] <|QuaD-> mojo_: playlist plugin? doesn't it come wiht a playlist?
[06:50] <arctick> i have yet to burn one audiocd in linux
[06:50] <mojo_> sry, i mean, um, medai organizer type thing...
[06:50] <|QuaD-> mojo_: sorry
[06:50] <mojo_> media library / organizer plugin
[06:51] <mojo_> np
[06:52] <Mojo_Jojo> can someone tell me why linux doesnt need to be defraged :_
[06:52] <mojo_> winamp, the win derivative of amp and xamp (pre-xmms) has a media lib feature my brother uses.  i was wondering if there was something like it.
[06:53] <anir> sjoerd: how do i sacn the channels?
[06:53] <anir> scan
[06:53] <|QuaD-> Mojo_Jojo: it is a different type of file system, journaled systems don't need to be defragged cuz they look at the journals
[06:53] <mojo_> i tried rhythmbox but haven't played w/it long enough to get it set up for all media types yet
[06:53] <Tyche> Quad: Do I need to add something special to Xine for it to work? Not working in that either with W32codecs
[06:53] <kergan> Mojo_Jojo,  easy the file system is jurneled
[06:53] <sjoerd> anir: edit -> channels
[06:53] <|QuaD-> Mojo: isn't xmms a copy of winamp?
[06:53] <kergan> |QuaD-,  no
[06:53] <|QuaD-> Tyche: apt-get remove  totem
[06:53] <|QuaD-> Tyche: apt-get install totem-xine
[06:54] <Mojo_Jojo> how does a journaled filesystem work, I want to try to explain why linux doesnt need a defrag.
[06:54] <mojo_> quad/mjjj - journalized fs doesn't imply non-fragmenting to me.  just implies a transaction log for recovery
[06:55] <anir> sjoerd: sad thing is that i cant find any edit button
[06:55] <mojo_> quad: xmms is derived from xamp, derived from amp.  winamp is derived from amp.  think of it as a fork that crosses over platforms.
[06:55] <|QuaD-> mojo_: that was how it was explained to me, i don't know much about filesystems
[06:55] <|QuaD-> mojo_: ohh
[06:55] <kergan> Mojo_Jojo,  it looks at the journel before looking for the file
[06:55] <bur[n] er_> Mojo_Jojo: it's not journaling that does that
[06:55] <sjoerd> anir: in the menubar of zapping ?
[06:56] <bur[n] er_> u don't have to defrag ext2 either... that's not journaled
[06:56] <anir> sjoerd: nope
[06:56] <sjoerd> anir: can you describe what the zapping window looks like for you then
[06:56] <kergan> Mojo_Jojo, linux also put the file back on the hdd in one peice (unlike windows a part of it at a time
[06:56] <sjoerd> anir: oh and which language your using ;)
[06:56] <mojo_> q/mjjj: journal, to my understanding, is a lot like a transactional database.... keeps track of changes to files in a log/journal so you can roll back on failure, re-trace steps
[06:56] <anir> sjoerd:english
[06:57] <Mojo_Jojo> ok, so there is a journal (text file?) that it looks for and it lists where verything is?
[06:57] <|QuaD-> mojo_: no... it also keeps track of locations and whatnot
[06:57] <mojo_> mjjj - i don't know that it works quite like tht.  i can prolly google up a good expla. for ya... brb...
[06:57] <anir> sjoerd: i am from india but the india is not mentioned here..???how can i get the channels of india?
[06:57] <Mojo_Jojo> mojo_ thanks i'm really interested in this :)
[06:58] <sjoerd> anir: which version of zapping is that ? (help -> about)
[06:58] <anir> sjoerd: zapping 0.6.8
[06:59] <sjoerd> ah, hrm, i've got 0.8 and that shows indea in the regions dropdown
[06:59] <sjoerd> although if you know your frequencies you can just use another region that comes close to them
[06:59] <anir> sjoerd: how can i get 0.8
[07:00] <mojo_> journalized - here's a good start... http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/aix/products/aixos/whitepapers/jfs_vfs.html
[07:00] <Mojo_Jojo> thanks mojo_ :)
[07:01] <|QuaD-> mojo_: can you give us a quick sommary, no time to read it... .but would be interested in knowingg
[07:01] <Cred> Hello. What is the password for network configuration?
[07:01] <kergan> your sudo password Cred
[07:01] <Cred> It doesn't accept it
[07:01] <sjoerd> anir: as said you don't need to if you know your frequencies..
[07:01] <kergan> try your own password for you user account
[07:02] <Cred> Huh? It's the same
[07:02] <anir> sjoerd: i have no idea about the frequencies
[07:02] <sjoerd> anir: then pick a random region and start trying :)
[07:02] <kergan> Cred, pey
[07:02] <kergan> Cred, yep
[07:03] <anir> sjoerd: k
[07:03] <Cred> kergan, so..? :)
[07:03] <mojo_> quad: in a regular file system, changes are made to the file directly.  new data replaces.  jfs if you change part of a file, it writes the 'transaction' to a log built into the filesys.  sort of like a database with transaction support.  so as you update a file, it keeps the history as it goes until update complete.  that way if there is a failure during an update, it can 'roll back' the changes to recover the file to its previous state
[07:03] <kergan> Cred,  it sound work
[07:03] <kergan> Cred,  it should work
[07:03] <Cred> It doesn't
[07:03] <kergan> hmmm cant help you
[07:03] <mojo_> mjjj: np
[07:03] <kergan> then
[07:04] <Mojo_Jojo> thanks for typing that mojo_
[07:04] <mojo_> yeah i type fast ;)
[07:04] <mojo_> yw
[07:04] <mojo_> if you do some googling you'll get a better handle on it
[07:05] <Mojo_Jojo> I'll google later i'm in school right now, I was wondering how a linux fs works, because my teacher is talking baout windows fs.
[07:05] <Mojo_Jojo> fs are kinda interesting :D
[07:06] <mojo_> why you don't have to defrag a linux fs though i don't know.  i can only guess that the filesystems are more intelligent and dynamically do self-maintenance as they go
[07:06] <anir> sjoerd: i cant find the scan button..
[07:06] <mojo_> it makes sense... i mean it's not too far from the idea of garbage collection in memory management
[07:07] <mojo_> 'cept that it would be moving chunks around
[07:07] <kergan> Mojo_Jojo, just rember linux file systems are far sepir
[07:07] <kergan> sepoir
[07:07] <kergan> crap
[07:07] <mojo_> superior
[07:07] <mojo_> he he
[07:07] <kergan> ya
[07:07] <mojo_> np
[07:07] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah i guess
[07:07] <Blackwell> yeah, automagically any linux filesystem is superior to anything else.
[07:07] <sjoerd> Mojo_Jojo: the principles are mostly the same
[07:07] <Blackwell> that is why companies port their filesystems to linux :>
[07:08] <kergan> lol
[07:08] <Mojo_Jojo> if windows NTFS also has permissions how can linux much more secure? if it also has perissions?
[07:08] <Blackwell> Mojo_Jojo: eh?
[07:08] <mojo_> wow mjjj - ahem - security goes further than access control lists and such on files
[07:08] <kergan> like sharing preissions???
[07:09] <anir> wht is the speciality of ext3 fs?
[07:09] <djuuss> heyey
[07:09] <djuuss> bought a new harddisk
[07:09] <Blackwell> anir: i could google, but...
[07:09] <Mojo_Jojo> hihihi i need to learn how to explain myself better haha
[07:09] <djuuss> what do i put on it (exept for hoary?)
[07:09] <Mojo_Jojo> i;m learning security so this is all new to me
[07:09] <anir> blackwell: but...???
[07:09] <Atlas> someone can say me if a gnome applet for folding@home exist?
[07:09] <Blackwell> djuuss: tons of erotic pictures.
[07:09] <Blackwell> anir: i am too lazy.
[07:09] <mojo_> linux gets a lot of its security fromt the way the os manages processes and permissions within the context of running programs and access to computer resources, not just file system security
[07:10] <Blackwell> that may sound familiar...:] 
[07:10] <anir> blackwell: lol..
[07:10] <djuuss> Blackwell: already got that covered
[07:10] <kergan> Blackwell,  better tons of pr0n
[07:10] <djuuss> how about a distro?
[07:10] <Blackwell> kergan: i didn't want to be that...straightforward. :)
[07:10] <djuuss> and not hoary
[07:10] <kergan> lol
[07:10] <Blackwell> djuuss: yeah, put lots of distros on it.
[07:10] <Blackwell> collecting distros is fun.
[07:10] <djuuss> which ones?
[07:10] <Blackwell> computers are boring when they simply work.
[07:10] <Blackwell> djuuss: all of them
[07:10] <djuuss> some recent released ones
[07:10] <Mojo_Jojo> mojo_ so don't windows and linux work the sameway?
[07:11] <Blackwell> that way you will escape boredom successfully.
[07:11] <djuuss> nooooooo!!!!
[07:11] <djuuss> dont ever say that
[07:11] <kergan> Mojo_Jojo,  no
[07:11] <anir> i agree with u blackwell
[07:11] <kergan> never
[07:11] <Mojo_Jojo> care to explain?
[07:11] <djuuss> first of all: don't say "windows" and "works" in the same sentence
[07:11] <Mojo_Jojo> ok i'll remember that
[07:11] <Blackwell> djuuss: my windows xp works just fine. :)
[07:11] <kergan> linux = better memory manger win = memory hog
[07:11] <djuuss> exept in the sentence "microsoft works doesn't work"
[07:11] <Blackwell> runs linux fine inside vmware, too.
[07:12] <mojo_> all posturing and snobbery aside, there are diffs in the designs of the os's
[07:12] <djuuss> Blackwell, maybe, but it still spies on you ;)
[07:12] <Atlas> someone can say me if a gnome applet for folding@home exist?
[07:12] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: i want vmware, to cheap to pay for a license though
[07:12] <Blackwell> kergan: give linux some functional equivalent gui and see the ram being eaten windows-style :)
[07:12] <anir> so wats the panel decided..?? xmss or rythembox?
[07:12] <kergan> Atlas,  thare ant one
[07:12] <mojo_> but i am not sure i could give you a succinct answer cuz i am not all brushed up on that for ya
[07:12] <djuuss> Atlas: apt-cache search gnome applet
[07:12] <djuuss> install all of 'm
[07:12] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: i have come to love it at the job. "oops, wrong step - roll back to snapshot state"
[07:12] <djuuss> the big bag of goodies
[07:13] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: lol
[07:13] <kergan> Blackwell,  but if a program crashes it dont take the whole os down like win
[07:13] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: i need a job that will pay for vmware
[07:13] <kergan> linux= moduler
[07:13] <djuuss> modular
[07:13] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: since i don't need to live with linux, vmware is excellent to make use of linux anyway, without the more heavy task of "properly" installing it and getting just everything possible to work with it.
[07:13] <kergan> the left hand dont know why the right hand crashed
[07:13] <mojo_> windows nt, 2000, and stuff from that gene pool is a lot more secure than the windows, windows 95, windows me/you/all your base are belong to us strain
[07:13] <Blackwell> like the poor sobs in here...:)
[07:13] <Blackwell> mp3 players, codecs, dvd, cd-r writing, etc.
[07:13] <djuuss> mojo_ true
[07:14] <Blackwell> all non issues, i can simply enjoy it without fumbling. ;)
[07:14] <djuuss> but they're secure for *inbound* connections. Especially XP phones home like ET on steroids
[07:14] <Blackwell> kergan: if a windows program crashes, that program crashes.
[07:14] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: i just want to run the occasional windows program to test it out
[07:14] <mojo_> nt, or 'new technology', was actually a full-on new os design.  windows and such before that was really a bunch of stuff 'stuck' on top of dos that grew like a polyp that eventuallyu wanted to fall off and walk on its own
[07:15] <Blackwell> if you still think otherwise, consider to update your outdated information. it doesn't hurt, regardless of which side of the fence(s) you are standing.
[07:15] <djuuss> rating: 5 (insightful)
[07:15] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: i tried to install vmware on mandrake once...too much fumbling. the windows install on the other hand was a matter of minutes and didn't even require a reboot.
[07:16] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: i wanted vmware on that esp. for that purpose, too. ;)
[07:16] <Blackwell> of course someone should shout "Wine" now.
[07:16] <drspin> I've used vmware in gentoo and suse and have had no troubles
[07:16] <kergan> WINE
[07:16] <anir> what command i should use to check if my tv card is installed properly or not??
[07:16] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: so are you running windows on linux or linux on windows?
[07:16] <Blackwell> drspin: then you have mastered the art of kernel recompiles and such successfully. i had a few days of fumbling with getting the matching kernel sources to the installed kernel already...
[07:17] <djuuss> wine or cygwin
[07:17] <djuuss> e
[07:17] <|QuaD-> cygwin? why would someone wnat that?
[07:17] <djuuss> if your running XChat on windows?
[07:17] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: i recently installed linux inside a vmware box, hosted on windows. for trying, wet my feet, etc. windows does the media stuff fine for me, so i don't need to bother getting that to work in the linux installation.
[07:18] <Olivier_54> y
[07:18] <djuuss> omg.. just when i'm trying to figure out what distro's to get, distrowatch is down
[07:18] <Blackwell> cygwin? die hard unix hardcore people need it to feel more complete when being forced at gun point to use windows.
[07:18] <mojo_> speaking of kernels, i just installed this ubuntu last night.  it put a generic x86-64 kernel on here.  how do i switch it to the amd64 kernel?  i 'installed' it with synaptic but it still boots to the x86_64 kernel... ???
[07:18] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: why not just install ubuntu and get rid of windows
[07:18] <Blackwell> or so they say...they will still complain about lack of "full" regex support in those commandline tools...
[07:18] <djuuss> woops.. thought distrowatch was a .org
[07:18] <mojo_> distrowatch is back up
[07:19] <mojo_> at least it works for me...
[07:19] <drspin> I'm getting ready to try out ubuntu and if I like it I'll install it today...
[07:19] <Mojo_Jojo> another Q whats the differance between *BSD and Linux?
[07:19] <mojo_> drspin - yeah, i just got this installed yesterday
[07:19] <djuuss> yeah i tried distrowatch.org
[07:19] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: because i am very comfortable with windows and because i don't want to go through the pains that some of the people in here are going through. i am not forced to concern myself with how to get media stuff going on linux that way, and a million other small things.
[07:19] <|QuaD-> Mojo_Jojo: whats the difference between an apple and an orange?
[07:19] <djuuss> mojo_: but all they have is livecd's anyhow
[07:19] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: besides - i am not yet fed up with half-life 2.
[07:19] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: thats never a concern :)
[07:20] <drspin> is linux able to read/write NTFS reliably yet?
[07:20] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: thats the reason
[07:20] <Mojo_Jojo> |QuaD that much of a diferance huh..i guess i'll google around later
[07:20] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: ...i have been in this channel for too long to fall for that "no problems with anything on linux" sermon :)
[07:20] <|QuaD-> Mojo_Jojo: 2 different OS's
[07:20] <Blackwell> i have been playing with linux for too long for that, too. ;)
[07:20] <Mojo_Jojo> ithought they were both like unix
[07:20] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: if you know what you are doing... there are rarely problems
[07:21] <spikeb> any clue where to find a jre+plugin on ppc that WORKS?
[07:21] <|QuaD-> Mojo_Jojo: both are unix clones
[07:21] <Blackwell> |QuaD-: yes, exactly like in windows.
[07:21] <xevil> drspin: as far as I know NTFS can be read but not written to in linux
[07:21] <|QuaD-> Blackwell: yup
[07:21] <Mojo_Jojo> |QuaD ah ok
[07:21] <mojo_> mjjj: bsd is derived from the 'berkely standard distribution'.  back when tv's used tubes and phones had cords, at&t bell labs worked with berkely university on unix development
[07:21] <spikeb> it can be written
[07:21] <spikeb> just dont depend on it not trashing everything
[07:21] <Blackwell> xevil: can be written with that "lifted and jailed" ntfs driver thing.
[07:21] <djuuss> xevil: thats bs
[07:22] <mojo_> the univ released it's own distribution.  berkely is where much of the current networking and security in unix/linux, and much development on internet protocols took place
[07:22] <drspin> xevil: I know that's how it used to be... shame I have a 50GB partition filled with music that I won't be able to modify :/
[07:22] <djuuss> xevil: it writes it blindfolded
[07:22] <convertor> Mojo_, berkley system development....
[07:22] <xevil> he did say reliably...
[07:22] <Mojo_Jojo> mojo_ ok :)
[07:22] <mojo_> bsd is a gen-u-ine unix derivative, variant, flavor, whatever
[07:22] <Blackwell> drspin: irc lesson: don't rely on information on irc.
[07:22] <mojo_> linux was based on a small os called minix, which i think that unix was actually modelled on in some ways.  i am not so sure on my 'lore' there...
[07:23] <Blackwell> drspin: if you google, you will stumble over that project which incorporates the original ntfs driver file(s) to access ntfs filesystems with read/write access.
[07:23] <|QuaD-> mojo_: WRONG
[07:23] <FITH> Eh?  no, Linux was born because Linus disagreed with the author of Minix..  Andrew Taunenbaum
[07:23] <Blackwell> mojo_: better update :)
[07:23] <djuuss> yeah you rolled a low skillcheck 1d6 there
[07:23] <drspin> blackwell: I know -- I ask to get more than one reponse so I'll be better equipped for research
[07:23] <Blackwell> FITH: because?
[07:23] <mojo_> but anyway, linux was an os project written by linux torvalds inspired by minix, a unix-like OS.  the kernel is the core of the os.  it was so unix-like in structure that it was largely compatible
[07:23] <|QuaD-> linux and BSD are unix CLONES.... linux was built of minix, unix and minix had little or nothing to do wiht eachother
[07:23] <drspin> blackwell: thanks
[07:24] <|QuaD-> FITH: WRONG
[07:24] <FITH> Linus didn't think that a microkernel was the right design
[07:24] <|QuaD-> FITH: wrong again
[07:24] <FITH> for a unix to be built from, etc
[07:24] <zenwhen> well linus was using minix when he wrote Linux
[07:24] <djuuss> no
[07:24] <Blackwell> FITH: so in order to do better he wrote his own?
[07:24] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: wrong
[07:24] <|QuaD-> Minix was used as a teaching os
[07:24] <|QuaD-> never meant to be a primary os
[07:24] <Kamion> Linus wrote Linux 'cos he felt like writing an operating system. The disagreement with Tanenbaum was incidental.
[07:24] <FITH> Blackwell: Yeah, the archives of their conversations at the time are around
[07:24] <mojo_> besides that, most of the 'commands' and such in linux are a suite of programs and utilities that run on top of the os.  much of them come from the gnu project, which stands for GNU's Not Unix.  A recursive acronym (a common geek humor thing).
[07:24] <Blackwell> astonishing what changes information goes through, once it is in someones head.
[07:24] <|QuaD-> the ideas behind it were used to build linux, but it wasn't based of minix
[07:25] <|QuaD-> Kamion: exactly :)
[07:25] <mojo_> the GNU project aimed to write a free 'clone' of all the unix utilities and eventually the whole operating system.
[07:25] <Blackwell> FITH: you said linus developed linux BECAUSE of a disagreement. that is something i have never heard before.
[07:25] <djuuss> there was UNIX but it was wayexpen$ive so they created minix. Linux felt that minix $ucked a$$, and built linux
[07:25] <djuuss> the first linux is Linus :P
[07:25] <|QuaD-> Linus and tanenbaum disagreed but NEVER was that the reason for linux
[07:25] <djuuss> true
[07:26] <|QuaD-> djuuss: minix was meant as a teaching os NOT as a unix clone
[07:26] <Blackwell> mojo_: the gnu project, as i understand it, provides many of the tools that nowadays we come to expect in a unix, i guess. but it started out as providing free alternatives i heard, yes.
[07:26] <spikeb> they disagreed because they're both blowharding asshats
[07:26] <Blackwell> spikeb: everyone's a moron. :)
[07:26] <spikeb> including me!
[07:26] <Blackwell> yeah, me too, and proud of it, dammit.
[07:26] <spikeb> hahah
[07:27] <FITH> Hmm... true I think I did overstate that...   They disagreed and Linus decided to write an OS.. two seperate facts...   If they had agreed Linus might have helped with Minux
[07:27] <djuuss> |QuaD-: i know, but they made minix, as a teaching os, instead of unix, which could be used as a teaching os, but was way to expensive for that purpose
[07:27] <FITH> http://people.fluidsignal.com/~luferbu/misc/Linus_vs_Tanenbaum.html
[07:27] <drspin> ok - so does anyone know if this NTFS driver http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/status.html#ntfsdriver is included in the ubuntu kernel?
[07:27] <drspin> speaking of... what version of the kernel does "warty" use?
[07:27] <djuuss> drspin: there is one, not sure which tho
[07:27] <zenwhen> |QuaD-, I am nearly positive I read Linu was using MINIX when he wrote Linux.
[07:27] <|QuaD-> djuuss: minix was never meant to have anything to do with unix. unix was closed source (i believe) therefore not a teaching os
[07:27] <FITH> "AT: I still maintain the point that designing a monolithic kernel in 1991 is a fundamental error. Be thankful you are not my student. You would not get a high grade for such a design :-)"
[07:27] <drspin> dj:  as long as it has read without corruption I'll be ok ;)
[07:28] <zenwhen> Linus*
[07:28] <Blackwell> drspin: i would suggest that other project which uses the original driver files.
[07:28] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: he might have been using it to learn on (which he did) but no one "uses" minix
[07:28] <djuuss> drspin: it reads it just fine
[07:28] <drspin> blackwell - ok thanks
[07:28] <drspin> dj - thanks!
[07:29] <zenwhen> |QuaD-, I'll check in on it. I think it was in Linux Magazine. I forget where I read the interview.
[07:29] <mojo_> Okay all.. that was just top of the head stuff.  Mojo Jojo, you can probl'y google for better 'histories' and such
[07:29] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: read again, minix isn't that type of OS
[07:29] <mojo_> i am not really clear on the whole minix thing
[07:29] <Kamion> try the book "Just For Fun"; it's got a good deal of the early history in Linus' own words.
[07:29] <mojo_> don't take my word for more than just hearsay anyway
[07:29] <spikeb> minix is crap for use. good for learning though
[07:29] <Mojo_Jojo> mojo_ I think I will haha but I did learn a little bit :D
[07:30] <mojo_> mjjj - np, thats the jist
[07:30] <Mojo_Jojo> :)
[07:31] <mojo_> mjjj - i like wikipedia's articles.. was reading on the history of the usenet not too long ago.  interesting stuff
[07:31] <Kamion> he describes how he was dissatisfied with the Minix terminal emulation, so decided to write his own; the terminal emulator grew a disk driver and filesystem code so that he could save things to disk, and it snowballed from there.
[07:31] <Mojo_Jojo> mojo_ ok i'll check with wkikipedia :)
[07:32] <FITH> Another interesting article is from Andrew T. about "Who wrote linux" ...  Which we wrote when a MS researcher mis-represented him..
[07:32] <FITH> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/brown/
[07:33] <|QuaD-> FITH: thats one of the best linux/minix/origin set of letters i have read, especially the responses from linus and everyone
[07:34] <mojo_> FITH: nice links
[07:34] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah thanks FITH :)
[07:35] <FITH> Yeah, after seeing the junk that MS published at the time, it was nice to see some good come out of it.  I think more people know about the history of Unix because of it :)
[07:35] <mojo_> So BSD is another clone?  I thought it started with bell labs codebase
[07:36] <mojo_> ya learn sumthin new every day
[07:37] <drspin> does ubuntu use SCSI emulation for burning or the new IDE stuff
[07:37] <HauntedUnix> Got a friend who's running ubuntu. He has a 512mb USB mp3 player, and he can't move files larger than 10kb to it. Works fine under windows. He was going to try and format it in linux, but fdisk/cfdisk /dev/sda gives "disc not readable"
[07:37] <HauntedUnix> Any suggestions? :)
[07:39] <mojo_> drspin: you mean seraila ata?  i am not sure.  my sata drive appears as a scsi interface on ubuntu
[07:39] <HauntedUnix> (Works with supermount or manual mounting, by the way)
[07:40] <sjoerd> drspin: scsi emulation shouldn't be used anymore with 2.6 kernels (and thus isn't used in ubuntu)
[07:41] <|QuaD-> alright all, brb gotta change labs
[07:43] <Tyche> I'm having issues with sound. What is the best way to configure it? First time it installed it recognized my sound card, this time it isn't. How do I check drivers or install drivers? I think it is ac97
[07:46] <|QuaD-> i am back :)
[07:47] <|QuaD-> i see i missed a lot
[07:47] <Tyche> Woot Quad is back!
[07:47] <|QuaD-> haha
[07:49] <Tyche> I'm having issues with sound. What is the best way to configure it? First time it installed it recognized my sound card, this time it isn't. How do I check drivers or install drivers? I think it is ac97
[07:51] <mroth> hmm, is anyone else having problems with gnome-window-list on panel since yesterday's distupgrade in hoary?
[07:54] <drspin> what kernel does ubuntu use?
[07:55] <sjoerd> drspin: linux
[07:55] <drspin> warty ;)
[07:55] <drspin> I was meaning version
[07:55] <drspin> LOL
[07:55] <mroth> warty is 2.6.8.1, hoary is currently 2.6.9
[07:56] <spikeb> is hoary using gnome 2.9.x?
[07:56] <t17mh> So I want to compile a new module for my ubuntu kernel. Is there a way to do this without building my own kernel from scratch? The module is provided as a patch to the kernel source.
[07:56] <mroth> spikeb: yes
[07:56] <spikeb> cool
[07:59] <drspin> ok so the liveCD will read my NTFS volume and information just fine -- is it safe to assume that an actual install will perform the same?
[08:01] <|QuaD-> drspin: i can't see why it wouldn't... but remember murphys law
[08:02] <drspin> quad :: aye :: can't trust one linux install to work the same as another... or something like that ;)
[08:03] <|QuaD-> drspin: lol... but i do think i should work
[08:05] <drspin> quad :: so far I like ubuntu more than any other distro - except gentoo but my purpose is different here
[08:06] <Gaaruto> hi
[08:06] <drspin> the music player just crashed on me...
[08:06] <|QuaD-> drspin: are u using xmms?
[08:07] <Gaaruto> how to configure postfix please ? i have a message when i try to install a soft
[08:07] <drspin> Quad :: I'm using the LiveCD and it has RhythmBox -- but it won't let me play any mp3 files and it crashed when I loaded a radio station
[08:08] <|QuaD-> drspin: i don't know too much about RhythmBox, I prefer xmms... lightweight and stable
[08:09] <BrettMeister> Have WindowsXP w/ a C and D recovery partition on a hard drive with about 34 gig open.  Have PartionMagic.  How many partitions will ubu need when I install?
[08:09] <drspin> quad :: yes I know XMMS and like it's interface
[08:09] <sjoerd> BrettMeister: create one free partition, you can partition further during install
[08:10] <drspin> it does lack much of what RhythmBox made up for in usability -- especially when dealing with a 6000 song library
[08:10] <drspin> I like iTunes... but not for linux... yet...
[08:10] <Quest-Master> I heard Rhythmbox crashes if you load too many songs
[08:10] <drspin> 1 mp3 file...
[08:10] <Quest-Master> I prefer beep-media-player anyhow
[08:10] <Quest-Master> Or you could try RealPlayer10 for Linux. Heard that works pretty well too.
[08:10] <Quest-Master> Based off of the Helix Player.
[08:11] <drspin> it says "there is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file"
[08:11] <manoupe> hi
[08:11] <|QuaD-> i am VERY dissapointed with apple's rendezvous client
[08:11] <BrettMeister> Thanks.  What size of partition for ubu? I forgot to ask.
[08:11] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[08:11] <Quest-Master> You have to install one.
[08:11] <etorix> i hear xoveroffice runs itunes
[08:11] <drspin> etorix -- it does but it's not worth it... slow and VERY unstable
[08:11] <|QuaD-> when i read about rendezvous it sounded cool, i figured anyone in the same subnet
[08:11] <|QuaD-> littlee did i know
[08:11] <|QuaD-> it is LAN's not subnets!
[08:11] <etorix> heh
[08:11] <manoupe> can someone tell me which package to install in order to have gcc, make, autoconf etc ... ?
[08:11] <drspin> -devel
[08:12] <etorix> ubu .. who let alfred jarry in here
[08:12] <drspin> XMMS is not on the liveCD :
[08:12] <drspin> :/
[08:12] <|QuaD-> drspin: so install ubuntu
[08:12] <rolfzor> manoupe: build-essential
[08:13] <sjoerd> drspin: xmms sucks anyway
[08:13] <manoupe> ok rolfzor, thank a lot :)
[08:13] <BrettMeister> What size of partition does Ubunto need?
[08:13] <manoupe> sure
[08:13] <etorix> xfmedia from xfce4 is my least buggy musicplayer ..on 64-bit
[08:14] <rolfzor> manoupe: it doesn't seem to include autoconf though
[08:14] <manoupe> okay, so I'll install it manually :)
[08:14] <etorix> Get:45 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main bicyclerepair 0.9-3ubuntu1 [110kB] 
[08:14] <etorix> bicyclerepair??
[08:15] <etorix> bash: bicyclerepair: command not found
[08:15] <mroth> apt-cache show bicyclerepair
[08:17] <drspin> so the 2.6 kernel seems a bit snappier...
[08:17] <drspin> or perhaps it's the version of X that this Live CD uses
[08:18] <FITH> Hmm...  interesting...  is xfmedia in a deb, or compiled yourself?
[08:18] <FITH> (Admitidly I'm searching on a Deb-Unstable machine, but I can't find it)
[08:18] <Gaaruto> how to configure postfix please ?
[08:19] <etorix> erm .. i hace access to a 64-bit repository for xfce4
[08:19] <etorix> have*
[08:19] <FITH> Hmm... I'll keep looking...  could be that Deb (or even Deb-i386) doesn't have it
[08:19] <etorix> FITH: 32-bit comes from os-cillation
[08:21] <theNeonGod> any way i can 'browse' available networked printers? i can access the smb shares of the computer that has the shared printer, but i put in what i thought was ther right host, location, etc, and its not printing.
[08:21] <mojo_> hey etorix:  which platform u runnin?
[08:22] <etorix> FITH:  i know the 64-bit works cos im on it .. the 32-bit debs are at  http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37
[08:22] <etorix> ubuntu 64-bit
[08:22] <FITH> Ah, cool, I'll check it out, thanks!
[08:22] <etorix> hoary hedghog or so
[08:22] <etorix> its gnome-friendly
[08:23] <mojo_> etorix:  just built this amd athalon64 system yesterday and installed ubuntu-64
[08:23] <etorix> i cant tell u its ubuntu-friendly on 32-bit tho
[08:23] <etorix> but i have no issues on 64-bit
[08:23] <mojo_> etorix: it put on the x86_64 kernel, and i was wondering how to change it to the amd64 kernel.  i 'installed' it via synaptic but it didn't 'take'.
[08:24] <FITH> Hmm, I'll have to try out the XFCE4.2 stuff when I get home... I've got both a 32-bit and a AMD64-bit box to play with
[08:24] <etorix> ah .. i debootstrapped a debian-amd64 awhile ago .. this is the first formal 64-bit distro
[08:24] <mojo_> it seems to be running just fine.  i just saw the _amd64 versions when scanning the software in synaptic and thought i may as well start out with the properly optimized kernel image
[08:25] <etorix> i havent got round to kernel-changing yet
[08:25] <pdaoust> now here's a curious problem: whenever I go to a page with Japanese encoding -- NHK, MegaTokyo, Google Japan -- Firefox dies on me. anyone else have this issue?
[08:25] <etorix> yeah .. right
[08:26] <pdaoust> oh wait -- Google Japan doesn't have that problem
[08:26] <titcheo> bonsoir
[08:27] <etorix> hmm .. they got embedde nippon-fonts or what
[08:27] <pdaoust> evening
[08:27] <pdaoust> etorix: I'll check
[08:27] <|QuaD-> drspin: so install ubuntu
[08:27] <|QuaD-> blah
[08:27] <|QuaD-> sorry bout that
[08:28] <puxi> Hola?
[08:28] <ska1> hi, when using vim, when i press enter after a comment line, the next line starts with a comment automatically, how to stop that?
[08:29] <pdaoust> ohhhhhhh I don't like vim; I'm used to GUI stuff :-/
[08:29] <FITH> ska1: <take with a grain of salt>  Install emacs!
[08:29] <drspin> is is possible that the media players are unable to use my music files due to them being on an NTFS partition?
[08:30] <etorix> very likely
[08:30] <ska1> pdaoust, FITH:hmm, i've been wired to work with vim so can't change now
[08:30] <drspin> damn
[08:30] <ska1> :)
[08:30] <drspin> well I'm going to reboot... backup my data and install ubuntu
[08:30] <pdaoust> drspin: it is possible, but... I don't know how likely. Can any other programs use any other files on your NTFS partition?
[08:31] <FITH> would have thought if they can be read they would be usable...
[08:31] <etorix> captive?
[08:31] <ska1> fun to use strange keys inside vim, as if like magic, emacs is also equally good, but my first love was vim, so can't change now though
[08:31] <etorix> its a bit slow innit?
[08:31] <drspin> pdaoust: not sure -- the file manager (nautilus I think) will accurately gather properties for files and whatnot
[08:31] <pdaoust> FITH: yeah, I think so too
[08:31] <ska1> drspin: run the command "file /path/to/nts/file"
[08:31] <pdaoust> drspin: in a non-root account?
[08:31] <FITH> i.e. if you can do "cp /ntfs-stuff/britney.mp3 /tmp"   then it should  just work
[08:31] <ska1> drspin: if that command returns the file type, then reading the file is not the problem any more :)
[08:32] <pdaoust> hmmmmmm, okay, this character set thingy I'm having problems with... it appears that all the websites that have problems are in ShiftJIS (x-sjis) encoding... don't know why that would make Firefox bail
[08:32] <mroth> my gnome-window-switcher on panel recently started to refuse to be wider than maybe 200px, so everything is crammed into a tiny space.. it wont expand to full width of panel bar.  any ideas on what woudl cause that?
[08:32] <Atlas_> britney powaa :p
[08:32] <FITH> lol
[08:32] <pdaoust> mroth: gnomes
[08:32] <pdaoust> that's what cause it
[08:32] <pdaoust> computer gnomes
[08:33] <mroth> I always knew it
[08:33] <pdaoust> sometimes the stupidest answer is the most plausible ^_^
[08:33] <mojo_> gnomes - half breed from an elf and a gremlin huh?
[08:33] <pdaoust> in all seriousness, mroth, you've tried all the settings you can find?
[08:33] <mojo_> lol
[08:33] <spikeb> great news
[08:33] <spikeb> i finally got my ubuntu cds today :)
[08:33] <mroth> pdaoust: yeah, it doesnt seem to care what the 'max' width is set to at all, and I've tried removing/readding it and rebooting
[08:34] <drspin> is it possible that on the LiveCD - there isn't an mp3 codec??
[08:34] <drspin> because I get thge same thing in
[08:34] <kebac> i heard that it is because of USA
[08:34] <pdaoust> drspin: you are correct
[08:34] <drspin> pdaoust: there is no mp3 codec on the LiveCD...
[08:35] <pdaoust> drspin: looking in the Ubuntu Wiki, you'll find a page called RestrictedFormats, which helps you with installing MP3 codecs, Flash, Java, etc
[08:35] <pdaoust> mroth: ohhhhhh, I reread it, and I have an idea, but the phone is for me
[08:35] <mojo_> yeah our usa... we tell you we wanna export our democracy but in reality we just want to export our restrictive laws
[08:35] <drspin> ... how can I be productive in this environment that I'm testing if I can't listen to my music...
[08:36] <ska1> drspin:well said ;)
[08:36] <ska1> drspin: so have you been able to access that britney file after all?
[08:36] <mojo_> lol@drspon well said
[08:36] <drspin> a live CD should include support for MP3, OGG, AAC (maybe),
[08:36] <etorix> ~hitme baby~
[08:37] <drspin> LOL
[08:37] <drspin> it was Nsync
[08:37] <drspin> ;)
[08:37] <drspin> just because it was the first one in my music folder
[08:37] <drspin> ;)
[08:38] <mojo_> i try to get most my music lossless, convert my shns to flac.  shame you can't just convert an mp3 to another (lossy) format w/o furter degradation
[08:38] <drspin> a liveCD should also include a flash and shockwave plugin...
[08:38] <drspin> mojo_ it's because the frequencies that are removed from say an OGG file are very different than those from an MP3 file
[08:39] <pdaoust> drspin: unfortunately Macromedia hasn't released Shockwave for Linux yet... you can get it working with Crossover Plugin, I've heard, but that costs $
[08:39] <sjoerd> drspin: please provide a free flash and shockwave plugin
[08:39] <mojo_> drspin: yeah, i know (but thx).  it's just a shame thats all.  if i could, i'd just conv. them all and be done with mp3s
[08:40] <drspin> sjoerd: yes... I'm working on that as fast windowmaker makes updates ;)
[08:40] <spikeb> lol
[08:40] <sjoerd> drspin: and please solve the patent issues with mp3 and stuff like that too :)
[08:40] <spikeb> there is a free flash plugin
[08:40] <pdaoust> okay, mroth, I think I know what your problem is -- I bet you anything there's an evil invisible panel applet that's preventing your taskbar from expanding any further. Fill up your taskbar with tasks (if it's not already full to its maximum 200px) and right-click on the empty space immediately after the taskbar... I bet you there's an invisible icon there
[08:40] <spikeb> swfdec
[08:40] <sjoerd> drspin: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:41] <spikeb> patents on MP3 expire in 06 or 07, as well
[08:41] <spikeb> not too shabby
[08:41] <sjoerd> spikeb: last time i tried that it gave more problems then it solved unfortunately...
[08:41] <mroth> pdaoust: if there is, i cant find it.. I've tried moving the panel applet all around and it hasnt made a difference, and i cant find anything invis
[08:41] <mroth> i tried jumping it up to the top panel too, no diff
[08:42] <pdaoust> mroth: poopy
[08:42] <mroth> yeah :/
[08:42] <mroth> this happened on my laptop once in debian, but it went away after a reboot
[08:42] <pdaoust> mroth: well, there was my one good idea... my brain is now empty for the day :-/
[08:42] <spikeb> heh on my box swfdec is only good for pretending to do flash
[08:42] <drspin> sjoerd: while I'm at it I'll go ahead and solve the usability issues and I'll sue SCO and I'll develop a kernel that can recompile itself on the fly without a reboot...
[08:42] <spikeb> it doesnt actually do it, but it keeps firefox happy
[08:42] <mroth> pdaoust: heh, thanks for trying
[08:42] <pdaoust> mroth: no prob
[08:42] <Haukkari> Does ubuntu have mini install cd's?
[08:42] <Haukkari> Those would be nice
[08:42] <sjoerd> drspin: nope, if you solve those two i'll be happy already :)
[08:43] <Haukkari> I don't want to download the big and fat 600 megabyte cd. :/
[08:43] <mroth> i dont think they current make any mini-cds.. nor a network-install thing, which is too bad, since i know a lot of people who want that
[08:43] <drspin> sjoerd: well damn - I'm sorry my goals are too high for you ;)
[08:43] <mojo_> Q:  Mandrake spoiled me... diskdrake was easy to mount partitions with... anyone know if Ubuntu has an easy utility, or can you point me at the howto or sumthin?  I have some partitions from previous install with all my media files and I need to mount and move them.  also have a new hard drive to part and format
[08:43] <mroth> i've heard some people use the debian network install, and then abort it and change the apt repositories to ubuntu, and then update, heh
[08:44] <drspin> mojo :: if you setup your fstab properly you can just type "mount Label"
[08:44] <sjoerd> drspin: obviously i don't mind if you solve al the worlds problems :)
[08:44] <drspin> sjoerd: so much pressure :/
[08:44] <mojo_> drspin so i just man fstab and go from there?
[08:44] <drspin> mojo: aye
[08:44] <mojo_> thx
[08:45] <drspin> yw :)
[08:45] <drspin> the linux noob helps someone :D
[08:45] <mojo_> :D
[08:45] <treke> anyone know of a gnome-vfs capable text editor in ubuntu?
[08:45] <mmpf> hi@all
[08:46] <pdaoust> exit
[08:46] <mojo_> <///////#~~  (pfffft) Hi mmpf
[08:46] <pdaoust> whoa
[08:46] <pdaoust> that's not a console window
[08:47] <pdaoust> :-D
[08:47] <mojo_> (cough) :D
[08:47] <mmpf> can i somehow install kde3.3 on ubuntu?
[08:49] <Blackwell> mmpf: same way as on debian?
[08:49] <spikeb> heh
[08:49] <spikeb> mmpf, i wouldn't.
[08:49] <spikeb> use debian proper instead.
[08:50] <CheatersRealm> ok, I can either a) sit here and be bored, or b) install ubuntu
[08:51] <mmpf> but i can't find the debian-server for the amd64 port
[08:51] <spikeb> oh
[08:51] <spikeb> i can find it
[08:51] <spikeb> but i wouldnt use that iether
[08:51] <spikeb> heh
[08:51] <mojo_> wwyd spikeb?
[08:51] <mmpf> where do you find them
[08:51] <mojo_> (hehe)
[08:51] <spikeb> mojo_ i'm not quite sure
[08:51] <spikeb> mmpf, hang on i will look
[08:51] <mojo_> lol
[08:51] <mmpf> k
[08:52] <etorix> why not?
[08:52] <etorix> amd64 is at alioth
[08:52] <Haukkari> Is "Hoary Hedgehog" meant like Old Hegdgehog or a White Hedgehog? =)
[08:52] <spikeb> mmpf, http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/
[08:52] <udssr> my ssh server will let people in, that dont have a public rsa key in my files allthough i told him not to do so
[08:52] <gen> heakkari, it sleeps around
[08:53] <gen> haukarri*
[08:53] <udssr> he just asks for a password
[08:53] <udssr> not a passphrase
[08:53] <mmpf> but somehow i didn't get apt work on my amd64
[08:54] <theNeonGod> how do i restart smbd?
[08:54] <udssr> ./etc/init.d/smbd restart
[08:54] <mojo_> "./etc"?
[08:54] <etorix> apt has to work
[08:54] <mmpf> i'll keep on trying...
[08:54] <theNeonGod> udssr, not in /etc/init.d. does that mean i'm not running it?
[08:54] <udssr> you can do sh instead of the dot too
[08:55] <mojo_> oh..
[08:55] <udssr> actually its /etc/init.d/samba
[08:56] <theNeonGod> not there either
[08:56] <mojo_> i thought "./" in front of cmd like "./configure" was to get bash or whatever to execute from current directory.  So shouldn't the "./etc" in your exa. just have been "/etc"?  forgive my ignorance if i am missin sumthin
[08:57] <udssr> dunno
[08:57] <theNeonGod> udssr, my bad. samba not installed. can this be why i cant connect to a windows printer?
[08:57] <udssr> :-)
[08:57] <mojo_> rotf
[08:57] <udssr> yes...maybe :-)
[08:58] <theNeonGod> udssr, thought the samba package was just to _serve_ files and printers to windows tho?
[08:58] <udssr> let ma check
[08:58] <theNeonGod> "The Samba software suite is a collection of programs that
[08:58] <theNeonGod> implements the SMB protocol for unix systems, allowing you to serve
[08:58] <theNeonGod> files and printers to Windows, NT, OS/2 and DOS clients. This protocol
[08:58] <theNeonGod> is sometimes also referred to as the LanManager or NetBIOS protocol."
[08:58] <mmpf> i always thougt that cups is used to connect to windows printers
[08:58] <theNeonGod> yeah... i think thats running
[08:59] <theNeonGod> just that none of my windows printers are showing up
[08:59] <udssr> ahhhm...
[09:00] <udssr> i dont really know...im not using printers :-)
[09:00] <spikeb> ooh
[09:00] <spikeb> are you guys going to have free cds for hoary too?
[09:00] <mmpf> have you tried with cups theNeonGod?
[09:00] <theNeonGod> mmpf, i think so. cups runs by default, yes?
[09:01] <mmpf> i think you need cups to use your printer
[09:01] <mmpf> but i've never used a printer on ubuntu, only on mandrake
[09:02] <spikeb> cups is installed by default on ubuntu
[09:08] <virtex> I need help with an ATI problem if anyone has an experience with ATI, Fglrx, and Mesa... i can't Direct Rendering to work, as well as the Opengl is still being done by Mesa :( even tho it's all installed
[09:09] <s0cks> Hi.
[09:09] <sipstar> Hello
[09:10] <Tdot> umm ubuntu definitley didn't ask me for a root password
[09:11] <s0cks> Tdot : There is a reason for that.
[09:11] <Tdot> explain please
[09:12] <s0cks> Ubuntu doesn't use a root I think.
[09:12] <s0cks> I still am not even using ubuntu.
[09:12] <spikeb> nope, it doesn't
[09:12] <Tdot> how do you control things?
[09:12] <s0cks> w00t! The n00b was right.
[09:12] <Tdot> and why is root in /etc/passwd
[09:12] <spikeb> Tdot, sudo
[09:12] <virtex> there is still a root account
[09:12] <spikeb> because root exists, it's just disabled.
[09:12] <Tdot> ah
[09:13] <Tdot> weird
[09:13] <spikeb> nah
[09:13] <Tdot> ...different, not weird
[09:13] <virtex> actually if you change the password you can use it all you want
[09:13] <spikeb> osx does the same thing heh
[09:13] <dreamer> it's a bloody good idea imo
[09:14] <Tdot> will it screw anything up if i cheat and change the root passwd
[09:14] <spikeb> im not sure
[09:14] <s0cks> Tdot : No.
[09:14] <virtex> it hasn't done anything to my system
[09:14] <Tdot> k
[09:14] <virtex> anyone here got the ATI drivers working properly ?
[09:14] <spikeb> i have.
[09:14] <s0cks> ATi = outdated.
[09:14] <virtex> I have them installed and everything... but it's still using Mesa :(
[09:14] <Tdot> yeah just did sudo xterm and changed it
[09:14] <Tdot> thanks
[09:15] <virtex> anyideas... direct rendering is still off too
[09:16] <jocco> Hi, Thanks for Ubuntu, is there a Virus scan installed by default, or  a popular one I can apt-get? TIA :)
[09:17] <Tdot> ive never had use a virus scanner in linux
[09:17] <etorix> for win-viruses?
[09:17] <Atlas_> lol
[09:17] <etorix> rootkithunters ok
[09:18] <s0cks> The cases weigh 50 pounds. :-\
[09:18] <Atlas_> someone can help me to configure applet seti@home please?
[09:19] <etorix> id prefer to get electricsheep
[09:20] <etorix> but it doesnt like xorg
[09:20] <pwhiting> newbie apt-get question: I'm doing an "apt-get install dialog" and it ends up wanting to remove 79 packages - things like wget, adduser, udev, ...
[09:21] <etorix> is it replacing them?
[09:21] <etorix> i installed xdialog .. that went ok
[09:21] <pwhiting> no - 1 install, 79 removes, and 0 upgrades
[09:22] <jocco> is there wine for Ubuntu?
[09:22] <etorix> hmm .. dont then
[09:22] <jocco> or something for running windows applications?
[09:23] <Atlas_> someone can help me to configure applet seti@home please :o(?
[09:23] <etorix> wine should be on 32-bit
[09:24] <jocco> I just looked in synaptic, after update, no WINE
[09:24] <etorix> i have wine-doc available .. no wine
[09:25] <CheatersRealm> omg, I am officially stupid
[09:25] <CheatersRealm> I definately forgot to bring a few cd's home from college to burn stuff
[09:25] <spikeb> wine ought to be among the supported packages.
[09:26] <spikeb> CheatersRealm, heh
[09:26] <CheatersRealm> now I have to use a 4x crap from my parets
[09:26] <Atlas_> someone can help me to configure applet seti@home please :o(?
[09:26] <spikeb> Atlas_, i would, but i know nothing about it.
[09:26] <etorix> it should be in non-free or .. restric?ted
[09:26] <CheatersRealm> brb, with a cd and some snacks to install ubuntu
[09:26] <spikeb> etorix, wine? no.
[09:26] <Atlas_> :(
[09:27] <Tdot> lol
[09:27] <etorix> well i know its not available for 64-bit yet
[09:27] <spikeb> i hope these guys plan on taking more stuff out of universe and into supported as the releases go on
[09:28] <etorix> it doesnt build either
[09:28] <jocco> I have warty, is that like SID or woody 0o ?
[09:29] <spikeb> jocco, warty is similar to SID
[09:30] <jocco> Thanks :)
[09:30] <spikeb> jocco, they froze sid, updated GNOME and did some other things, and called it warty (to oversimplify)
[09:30] <CheatersRealm> ok, so I'm about to install warty
[09:30] <xskoulax> anyone having problems with gaim the last couple days?
[09:31] <spikeb> xskoulax, not any more htan usual
[09:31] <spikeb> (stupid msn switchboard server)
[09:31] <xskoulax> oh yea forgot about its support for msn
[09:32] <xskoulax> let me clarify, problems with aim on gaim
[09:32] <spikeb> nope, i don't use aim heh
[09:34] <CheatersRealm> warty install is just text to start with right?
[09:35] <spikeb> it's just text install
[09:35] <spikeb> but rather painless
[09:35] <CheatersRealm> just needed to make sure I didn't need my mouse yet
[09:35] <xskoulax> CheatersRealm, you ever installed linux?
[09:35] <Tdot> os[Linux 2.6.8.1-3-386 - Debian testing/unstable]  up[57 minutes]  cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz, 1600.381 MHz (3153.92 bogomips)]  mem[247.01/250.92 MB (98.4%)]  video[ at 1280x1024 (24 bits)] 
[09:35] <Tdot> why is my memory always so high?
[09:35] <Tdot> no way it's actually using that much
[09:35] <spikeb> Tdot, it might be lying
[09:35] <xskoulax> thats whats free prehaps
[09:35] <xskoulax> ?
[09:35] <etorix> linux uses it all
[09:36] <spikeb> Tdot, try free -m and look at the buffers/cache line
[09:36] <etorix> its still available
[09:36] <Tdot> Buffers:         25148 kB
[09:36] <Tdot> Cached:          93204 kB
[09:36] <CheatersRealm> xskoulax, yes, several times
[09:36] <Tdot> -/+ buffers/cache:        128        122
[09:36] <CheatersRealm> I'm just unvovering things on my desk as I need them
[09:36] <Tdot> thats better i suppose
[09:37] <spikeb> much better
[09:37] <xskoulax> ahhh ok CheatersRealm, should be plain sailing then
[09:37] <Tdot> now i just habe to dump gnome
[09:37] <Tdot> this is killing it lol
[09:37] <spikeb> bleck
[09:37] <spikeb> i wouldn't use ubuntu at all if i didn't want gnome heh
[09:37] <Tdot> lol
[09:37] <Tdot> i just liked trying new distros
[09:38] <Tdot> like*
[09:38] <spikeb> heh
[09:38] <ozan> Hi, Everytime during starting progress i get "PnPBIOS: Warning! Your PnP BIOS caused a fatal error." message. (actually it started to appear after i changed my motherboard) This message tells me to add "nobiospnp" option to operate stably. I just don't know where to add this option or what to do to fix this problem?
[09:38] <spikeb> well, to me the point of ubuntu is a gnome desktop distro
[09:38] <CheatersRealm> xskoulax, I'm lost, where are all the emerge commands :)
[09:38] <spikeb> otherwise i could use debian proper
[09:38] <Tdot> why would someone make a distro based on using gnome with it
[09:38] <Tdot> lol
[09:39] <spikeb> ask the ubuntu devs
[09:39] <CheatersRealm> because kde is huge, so it takes a wihle to make kde as nice as they made gnome
[09:39] <Tdot> kde sucks too
[09:39] <Tdot> i use fluxbox on slackware
[09:40] <etorix> im using xfce4 x64
[09:40] <CheatersRealm> Tdot, oh yeah? well I use my own hand coded wm on lfs ! (ok, not really.)
[09:40] <jocco> yea, is there an easy way to install Blackbox or IceWM? like from Apt-get?
[09:40] <Tdot> haha
[09:40] <spikeb> apt-get install fluxbox
[09:40] <spikeb> heh
[09:40] <Tdot> xfce looked nice with this livecd i tried
[09:40] <jocco> thanks
[09:40] <CheatersRealm> I kinda liked xfce
[09:40] <Tdot> it looked decent
[09:41] <Tdot> but it probably took a while to get it that way
[09:41] <etorix> it uses gnome-libs
[09:41] <CheatersRealm> I like kde and gnome for the most part, other than their bulkyness..
[09:41] <Gwildor|Work> Tdot, what live vd was it?
[09:41] <Gwildor|Work> cd*
[09:41] <Tdot> Whoppix
[09:41] <Gwildor|Work> brb......
[09:41] <Tdot> mod of knoppix
[09:41] <spikeb> heh
[09:41] <spikeb> whoppix
[09:41] <etorix> slack -current is a bit froz since pat got ill
[09:41] <CheatersRealm> knoppix might have it.. (xfce)
[09:41] <jocco> nope no fluxbox :(
[09:42] <spikeb> etorix, he's back
[09:42] <xskoulax> lol CheatersRealm
[09:42] <CheatersRealm> :)
[09:42] <etorix> o0o .. they busy boys in xfce
[09:42] <Gwildor|Work> fluxbox is apt-getable
[09:42] <CheatersRealm> alright.. it's just installing now..
[09:43] <CheatersRealm> not even fedora is this easy
[09:43] <Gwildor|Work> spikeb, got a screenshot of whoppix?
[09:43] <etorix> xfce4.2-rc3 is out this week .. in time for xmas
[09:43] <spikeb> Gwildor|Work, no, but CheatersRealm might
[09:43] <jocco> I cant get it :( I tried xfce too
[09:43] <etorix> well if slack did a 64-bit ..
[09:43] <spikeb> jocco, they're probably in universe
[09:44] <Gwildor|Work> CheatersRealm, got a screenshot of whoppix?
[09:44] <CheatersRealm> Gwildor, nope, never used it.
[09:44] <|QuaD-> whoppix?
[09:44] <CheatersRealm> I did google it tho
[09:44] <CheatersRealm> |QuaD-, mod of knoppix
[09:44] <Tdot> whoppix is pretty nice
[09:44] <Tdot> i use it for wireless wardriving
[09:44] <Tdot> on my lappy
[09:44] <etorix> *whoppix*
[09:44] <spikeb> RC3 will be 4.2 final if all goes well
[09:44] <etorix> heh
[09:44] <|QuaD-> Everything is a mod of knoppix
[09:44] <|QuaD-> it seems like
[09:44] <etorix> cool
[09:44] <CheatersRealm> |QuaD-, gentoo isn't
[09:44] <Tdot> i dont like knoppix
[09:44] <Tdot> whoppix is coo though
[09:44] <Tdot> :P
[09:45] <etorix> overclockix had the best fluxbox
[09:45] <spikeb> ubuntu's livecd used to be a ripoff of knoppix's name
[09:45] <spikeb> heh
[09:45] <Tdot> ubuntuix ?
[09:45] <Tdot> hjeh
[09:45] <spikeb> no
[09:45] <spikeb> gnoppix
[09:45] <xskoulax> hah
[09:45] <Gwildor|Work> gnoppix is not ubuntu live
[09:45] <Pozac> it is now
[09:46] <CheatersRealm> wow, ubuntu wins so far for ease of install - 1st reboot now
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> i just burned one
[09:46] <Gwildor|Work> not the same...still different
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> and it wouldn't boot.
[09:46] <jocco> holy shit!!! the universial directory is HUGE, thankyou for showing me that :) looks like lots of cool stuff :)
[09:46] <Gwildor|Work> knoppix is knoppix ...the K is for KDE......gnoppix for GNOME
[09:46] <spikeb> jocco, it's completely unsupported and may or may not work.
[09:46] <Tdot> universal directory?
[09:46] <Tdot> is that an apt-get source /
[09:46] <Gwildor|Work> Tdot, yeah
[09:46] <Tdot> whats the link heh
[09:47] <jocco> yea you can find them in synaptic repository lists
[09:47] <Gwildor|Work> Tdot, you already have it, just uncomment it in synaptic....or manually
[09:47] <mojo_> ubuntu didn't install the xfonts core on my system... took a good hour (for me) to figure that one out.  apt was nice though and it ran fine once the basic fonts were there for it.
[09:47] <Tdot> duh
[09:47] <Tdot> lol
[09:47] <Tdot> i was looking right at it
[09:47] <spikeb> heh
[09:47] <Tdot> but only the security one clicked in my head
[09:47] <mojo_> other than that ubuntu install was pretty painless
[09:48] <Gwildor|Work> lol
[09:48] <spikeb> makes me angry that gnoppix-warty has bootsplash and no installer, and the ubuntu install cd has installer and no bootsplash
[09:48] <spikeb> heh
[09:48] <jocco> ooOOOO000OOOOooo Neat Quake 2 is free :)
[09:48] <Gwildor|Work> Tdot, you can add multiverse too, while you are there..........
[09:48] <mojo_> multiverse?
[09:48] <etorix> i have shedloads of pythons installing/upgrading
[09:48] <goonie> hi all.. I need some help with dual display. I have my laptop and an extra monitor and I wanted to extend my desktop to my extra monitor. How do I do this?
[09:48] <Gwildor|Work> Tdot, where it says "universe" make it say "universe multiverse"
[09:48] <spikeb> mojo_, the equivelent of non-free
[09:48] <spikeb> iirc
[09:49] <Gwildor|Work> what is iirc?
[09:49] <spikeb> if i recall correctly
[09:49] <CheatersRealm> is it supposed to be download a ton of stuff now?
[09:49] <mojo_> AAAAHHHH!!!  That is where the codecs live huh? ;)
[09:49] <CheatersRealm> Gwildor, if i remember correctly
[09:49] <Gwildor|Work> ahhhhhhhh
[09:49] <Tdot> ok
[09:49] <Tdot> whats multiverse?
[09:49] <Gwildor|Work> non free
[09:49] <spikeb> non-free applications
[09:49] <Tdot> ah
[09:49] <etorix> goonie:  look on here: etorix: 'nvidiaconfig' could be http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/nv-online/
[09:49] <Gwildor|Work> but are free there...........i dont get it
[09:50] <CheatersRealm> am I supposed to be downloading almost 600 programs?
[09:50] <Tdot> haha
[09:50] <goonie> etorix thx :)
[09:50] <will> hehe
[09:50] <Tdot> i downloaded 4 gigs of iso's while i slept last night
[09:50] <Pozac> Tdot, for more unsupported repositories see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[09:50] <Tdot> thanks
[09:50] <Tdot> brb time to make fluxbox work
[09:50] <xskoulax> CheatersRealm, i'm guessing its getting updated packages
[09:50] <CheatersRealm> xskoulax, is it getting x for the first time?
[09:51] <spikeb> heh cool
[09:51] <spikeb> breakmyubutnu
[09:51] <CheatersRealm> or is it just getting an x patch to upgrade?
[09:51] <xskoulax> mmmm not sure
[09:51] <FITH> The upgrade from Warty to Horay was about 440mb last night
[09:51] <mojo_> how do i add the multiverse as a source for apt?
[09:51] <CheatersRealm> xskoulax, cuz X for the first time is ~40mb, which means I can go take a nap
[09:51] <xskoulax> last install i did was 3 months ago
[09:52] <xskoulax> so i can't exactly remember
[09:52] <spikeb> hmm
[09:52] <Gwildor|Work> mojo_, in synaptic.......where it says "universe" make it say "universe multiverse"
[09:52] <CheatersRealm> wow
[09:52] <CheatersRealm> after unpacking 1.2 gb will be used
[09:52] <spikeb> FITH, how's hoary working right now
[09:52] <jocco> quake2 dont work, BUmmer /
[09:52] <Pozac> jocco, got opengl?
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> works well I just updated a box last night
[09:52] <jocco> yea :)
[09:52] <etorix>  quake2 is a bit old now
[09:52] <xskoulax> jocco, i think thats just the linux point release
[09:53] <xskoulax> not the data files too
[09:53] <spikeb> is usplash available/working yet? :)
[09:53] <etorix> "universe multiverse" .. will that work on 64-bit too?
[09:53] <mojo_> Gwildor|Work: I don't get it... under settings > repositories?
[09:53] <Gwildor|Work> yeah
[09:53] <Gwildor|Work> mojo_, scroll down to the "universe" repo..........
[09:54] <Gwildor|Work> mojo_, and in the line that says "universe" make it say "universe multiverse"
[09:54] <Tdot> well that didnt go too well
[09:54] <Tdot> heh
[09:54] <spikeb> i might try hoary out
[09:54] <spikeb> :)
[09:54] <CheatersRealm> in the bottom right, I have this thing that says '8m52s' is that the estimated time left (it's running apt)
[09:54] <Tdot> what file do you change the runlevel from /
[09:54] <spikeb> CheatersRealm, cool
[09:54] <Tdot> somewhere in /etc/init.d/ im guessing
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> Tdot: what do you want to do
[09:55] <mojo_> Gwildor - Okay I *think* I follow now.. but do i want to clone those entries and make new ones or do i want to replace/edit them?
[09:55] <Tdot> get rid of gdm
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> /etc/init.dgdm stop
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:55] <spikeb> HrdwrBoB, so right about now would be a good time to upgrade to hoary and have a working install, eh? :)
[09:55] <Gwildor|Work> mojo_, just edit them............
[09:55] <Gwildor|Work> mojo_, or you can duplicate them, and have one for universe, and one for multiverse
[09:55] <lukins> ahh, someone else here tried to upgrade to hoary and got hosed
[09:56] <lukins> guess why I'm here
[09:56] <Gaaruto> hi
[09:56] <Gaaruto> i have a pb to install gdesklets
[09:56] <mojo_> Gwildor: okay so it won't matter which way then..
[09:56] <Pozac> mojo, my line says "main restricted universe multiverse"
[09:56] <spikeb> hoary's xorg was broken a couple nights ago
[09:56] <Gaaruto> i have install python gnome extra but i cant install gdesklets
[09:56] <Gaaruto> i have this message : "gdesklets-data:
[09:57] <Gaaruto>   Dpend: python (<2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu3 is to be installed"
[09:57] <etorix> you could debootstrap hoary
[09:57] <Tdot> HrdwrBoB, that only stops if its running
[09:57] <Tdot> i want gdm not to boot at start
[09:57] <Gaaruto> somone to solve my pb please ?
[09:57] <Tdot> in slackware i just change the runlevel to 3
[09:57] <lukins> spikeb exactly when i tried to upgrade
[09:57] <Tdot> 3 = console login 4 = xdm
[09:57] <spikeb> lukins, heh
[09:57] <littlepenguin> um. the multiverse line needs to be deleeted
[09:57] <Pozac> Gaaruto, hoary's python is currently broken
[09:57] <etorix> o great
[09:57] <Pozac> Gaaruto, or are you running warty?
[09:57] <Gaaruto> ok Pozac
[09:57] <littlepenguin> Gaaruto, dl python 2.4 from python.org
[09:58] <lukins> i have a base system no x or gnome, how do I install gnome?
[09:58] <etorix> its all updating here
[09:58] <Pozac> Gaaruto, they are fixing it :)
[09:58] <spikeb> bah
[09:58] <mojo_> Gwildor: THANKS!  Okay they are showing up now, and they list in the sections separately so I can stay sane on what is coming from where.
[09:58] <Tdot> lukins, consider yourself lucky
[09:58] <spikeb> python is broken eh
[09:58] <Pozac> littlepenguin, it says less than (<) python 2.4 ?
[09:58] <lukins> i tried apt=get install gnome, no luck
[09:58] <Tdot> i dont want gdm and i dunno how to change init scripts in this distro
[09:58] <Pozac> well.. some python packages are
[09:58] <Gaaruto> i prefere an dist-upgrade whith python littlepenguin
[09:58] <spikeb> Pozac, anything important?
[09:58] <Gwildor|Work> mojo_,  dont forget to synaptic refresh
[09:58] <lukins> tdot, sounds like you and i are having the same problem
[09:58] <remi> remi
[09:58] <littlepenguin> if you want console login, sudo vi /etc/inittab and change the default runlevel to 3
[09:59] <CheatersRealm> I have a question.  if warty is xfree86, and isn't hoary supposed to be xorg.  but didn't they also say that you can upgrade from one to another just by downloading?  isn't that kinda hard to switch everything to xorg from xfree and keep the install?
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> Tdot: rm /etc//etc/rc2.d/SS99gdm
[09:59] <mojo_> Gwildor: Yep, done did it.
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> er
[09:59] <Pozac> spikeb, gdesklets for one.. :) not sure how much currently
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> that would be /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm
[09:59] <spikeb> eh
[09:59] <lukins> cheaters, my broken ubuntu tends to agree with you
[09:59] <spikeb> im gonna do it
[09:59] <spikeb> i can reinstall if i need to, gonna check out hoary
[09:59] <marton> anyone using gnomemeeting?
[09:59] <etorix> CheatersRealm: ive done it
[09:59] <CheatersRealm> etorix, is it hard to do?
[10:00] <spikeb> heh, 779 packages updating :)
[10:00] <CheatersRealm> lol spikeb
[10:00] <etorix> sec
[10:00] <lukins> etorix, didn't run into any problems?
[10:00] <jocco> 0o
[10:00] <mojo_> Gnomemeeting... man i hated that on Mandrake cuz it kept putting it's flippin icon on my desktop even after i'd delete it.  Other that that I never used it ;)
[10:00] <littlepenguin> gdesklets... try to see if anybody has a deb pkg org repository for it
[10:00] <CheatersRealm> apparently I got 2.5 minutes left.
[10:01] <mmpf> bye
[10:02] <Pozac> CheatersRealm, much of the difference between the X servers lies in partly the licensing, and partly in the composite extension.. so besides the 'normal' opensource license and eyecandy, xorg = xfree86
[10:02] <etorix> ok .. theres a sticky moment when you stop xfree86 in intit.d
[10:02] <etorix> init.d
[10:02] <etorix>  im looking for the command
[10:02] <spikeb> that's a stickey wicket
[10:02] <CheatersRealm> Pozac, I was thinking that they're pretty close, but still...
[10:03] <littlepenguin> for a gdesklets repository try http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=gdesklets&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all
[10:03] <spikeb> i like the breakmyubuntu page
[10:03] <spikeb> some nice backports there.
[10:04] <Pozac> spikeb, yeah
[10:04] <lukins> what are gdesklets, if you don't mind i ask?
[10:04] <spikeb> hmm
[10:04] <Pozac> spikeb, the certinfo repo has some (untested) video plugins for gstreamer :)
[10:05] <spikeb> Pozac, cool
[10:05] <littlepenguin> they're little addons like a dock, and other stuff. stuff like stuff on dockapplets.org
[10:07] <CheatersRealm> ok ubuntu install is now boring
[10:07] <CheatersRealm> that's how easy it is
[10:07] <spikeb> heh
[10:08] <Pozac> boring is good
[10:08] <CheatersRealm> no, I want it now
[10:08] <CheatersRealm> lol
[10:08] <spikeb> im waiting for my install to upgrade heh
[10:08] <spikeb> bout twenty minutes
[10:09] <CheatersRealm> mine's upgrading now I think
[10:09] <Pozac> Ubuntu needs a graphical install, so Dopewars can be played while installing
[10:09] <CheatersRealm> from warty install
[10:09] <CheatersRealm> Pozac, yes!
[10:09] <Pozac> Dopewars is a sweet game
[10:09] <spikeb> Pozac, eventually it will have a graphical install
[10:09] <Pozac> spikeb, it doesn't matter much :) it's only an install
[10:09] <spikeb> i'm HOPING they do a gtk front end to d-i (that's the nice way to play with debian)
[10:09] <spikeb> heh
[10:09] <Pozac> to me at least
[10:10] <spikeb> Pozac, doesnt matter to me. a good install is a good one, text or graphical
[10:10] <Pozac> *shudder*
[10:10] <CheatersRealm> spikeb, but you need to have dopewars or tuxracer or something
[10:10] <spikeb> heh
[10:10] <spikeb> i play nintendo while stuff is installing
[10:10] <etorix> here
[10:10] <etorix> apt-get update
[10:10] <etorix> apt-get install lsb-base
[10:10] <etorix> rm -f /etc/init.d/xfree86-common
[10:10] <etorix> init 3
[10:10] <etorix> apt-get install xserver-xorg
[10:10] <etorix> /etc/init.d/xorg-common start
[10:11] <etorix> init 5
[10:11] <etorix> apt-get install transset
[10:11] <etorix> i find the xorg-toys amuse me greatly for 5 seconds
[10:12] <lukins> etorix, but how do you stop xfree?
[10:12] <Pozac> thats 5 seconds out of your day
[10:12] <spikeb> init 3 is to stop xfree
[10:12] <lukins> thanks
[10:13] <HrdwrBoB> ...
[10:13] <CheatersRealm> not bad etorix
[10:13] <HrdwrBoB> why not just /etc/init.d/gdm stop
 rm -f /etc/init.d/xfree86-common
[10:13] <etorix> that too
[10:13] <etorix> as usual theres afew ways
[10:14] <etorix> you need to REMOVE xfree
[10:14] <spikeb> upgrading to xorg doesnt do that for you?
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> not really
[10:14] <spikeb> hmm
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> upgrading removes it
[10:14] <etorix> never go back
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> here's how I ran Xorg
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> a) apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> b) restart gdm
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> c) enjoy
[10:15] <lukins> hrdwrbob, it didn't when i did an upgrade
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> interesting
[10:15] <lukins> I've never tried dist-upgrade
[10:15] <spikeb> bbl playing paper mario while upgrading
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> hrm.. maybe I did, it was a while ago but I don't remember removing it
[10:15] <etorix> this ubuntu came with xorg
[10:16] <etorix> and i recompiled xorg-ubuntu for my debian-amd64
[10:16] <etorix> i dist-upgrade every day
[10:17] <lukins> what's the advantage of dist-upgrade over apt-get upgrade
[10:17] <HrdwrBoB> it's about 100x better
[10:17] <HrdwrBoB> on average
[10:17] <Pozac> hehe
[10:17] <lukins> regarding dependency problems?
[10:17] <CheatersRealm> boring. ok now I installed ubuntu
[10:18] <Aoi> hey ya, I have a question, my init.d are returning 2 errors grep: /proc/cmdline and /proc/filesystem (it doesnt exists), can I ignore these? how can I take this error msg?
[10:18] <jocco> ok, I got IceWM,Fluxbox, and Enlightnement, anyone can suggest anything else to try?
[10:18] <kayali> hi there
[10:19] <kayali> jocco: openbox, fvwm ;)
[10:19] <CheatersRealm> jocco, is waimea still under development?
[10:19] <kayali> CheatersRealm: yes
[10:19] <Aoi> jocco enlightment+gnome
[10:19] <CheatersRealm> jocco, you could also try windowmanager
[10:19] <kayali> windowmaker
[10:19] <jocco> Cool Thanks :)
[10:19] <[dEvIL-bOy] > hello
[10:19] <[dEvIL-bOy] > everyone
[10:19] <Aoi> fast question: how can I load ifconfig at startup ?
[10:20] <CheatersRealm> kayali, argh, you're all over my comments today..
[10:20] <CheatersRealm> it's been a while since I used either
[10:20] <[dEvIL-bOy] > how can i see what type and model of my device so i can download or patch the drivers?
[10:20] <sid77> hi
[10:20] <kayali> what does it mean? when I do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' it tells me a package (gimp) has been held back?
[10:21] <CheatersRealm> [dEvIL-bOy] , lspci ?
[10:21] <etorix> its held for some reason .. often good
[10:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > CheatersRealm is that on a terminal windows?
[10:21] <[dEvIL-bOy] > or what?
[10:22] <r1kk1> hello everyone
[10:22] <woonis> Does anyone else have a problem with very small buttons on the bottom taskbar in Hoary? Here's a screenshot http://www.onticweb.com/desktop_screenshot.png
[10:22] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i don't thing the device is pci as it is a wireless card on board
[10:22] <lukins> aoi add it to /etc/modules
[10:22] <CheatersRealm> [dEvIL-bOy] , yeah
[10:22] <jocco> wow! openbox looks nice :)
[10:22] <Aoi> lukins, oh thanks
[10:22] <CheatersRealm> [dEvIL-bOy] , try anyhow
[10:23] <lukins> aoi, maybe /etc/init.d would be better
[10:23] <[dEvIL-bOy] > cheers
[10:23] <CheatersRealm> under 200 fps on glxgears measn there's no hardware accel, right?
[10:23] <Aoi> I can't figure out how ubuntu's /etc/init.d works
[10:23] <Aoi> some /etc/rcS.d are loaded but they are ln
[10:24] <Aoi> if I remove, it return me some weird errors
[10:24] <Aoi> If i chmod +x -x it return doesn't have permission
[10:25] <woonis> Does anyone else have a problem with very small buttons on the bottom taskbar in Hoary? Here's a screenshot http://www.onticweb.com/desktop_screenshot.png
[10:26] <Amaranth> i did
[10:26] <Aoi> I have
[10:26] <Amaranth> i changed the taskbar preferences
[10:26] <HrdwrBoB> woonis: right click on the bar between the desktop icon and the taskbar
[10:26] <HrdwrBoB> preferences
[10:26] <HrdwrBoB> size
[10:26] <r1kk1> when I open the package manager and choose all, no packages are on the upper right pane.  How do I make them appear?
[10:27] <kayali> woonis: I don't have this problem
[10:27] <woonis> What should it be set to HrdwrBoB?
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> mine is set to minimum 50
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> max 4096
[10:27] <woonis> That's what mine is set to as well and that still happens
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> (effectively unlimited)
[10:28] <HrdwrBoB> that sucks
[10:28] <Aoi> mine too
[10:28] <woonis> If I change the minimum they expand but shouldn't it just figure it out?
[10:28] <Amaranth> you'd hope
[10:28] <HrdwrBoB> it should but just change the minimum
[10:28] <Amaranth> appearently the max is ignored
[10:29] <kayali> still this is development software, report it and it might get fixed
[10:29] <woonis> Yes that is what I will do
[10:29] <kayali> does the desktop and panel icons show on every boot for you?
[10:29] <CheatersRealm> what's the easiest way to restart x?
[10:29] <Amaranth> nope, sometimes they don't show up
[10:29] <Amaranth> i get empty panels that do nothing
[10:29] <kayali> yeah...
[10:30] <woonis> The desktop and panel icons always show up for me
[10:30] <kayali> that's freaking annoying :)
[10:30] <Amaranth> CheatersRealm: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:30] <Amaranth> :)
[10:30] <Gwildor|Work> ctrl-alt-backspace
[10:30] <Amaranth> Gwildor|Work: That sometimes leaves gnome things running
[10:30] <CheatersRealm> thx Amaranth
[10:30] <CheatersRealm> Gwildor, I dunno if that works completely
[10:30] <Gwildor|Work> idk........sorry............
[10:31] <Amaranth> CheatersRealm: Your best bet would actually probably be logging out of your GNOME session and then hitting ctrl-alt-bksp
[10:31] <Amaranth> or logging out of your GNOME session, switching to a terminal, and running sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:31] <Gwildor|Work> or just restart the whole computer
[10:32] <Gwildor|Work> .......im lazy :)
[10:32] <HrdwrBoB> if I don't shoot people with my tank
[10:32] <HrdwrBoB> the terrorists win
[10:32] <HrdwrBoB> so I'm taking it to work
[10:32] <Gwildor|Work> ?
[10:32] <HrdwrBoB> and I'm going to shoot cow orkers
[10:32] <Gwildor|Work> lol
[10:32] <CheatersRealm> Amaranth, I wound up logging out
[10:32] <HrdwrBoB> .. anyway that was the wrong channel but hey
[10:32] <CheatersRealm> yo, so if glxgears crashes my computer, that's a bad thing, right?
[10:33] <etorix> heh
[10:33] <spikeb> CheatersRealm, yes
[10:33] <etorix> my glxgears complains
[10:33] <kayali> how do I access universe?
[10:33] <CheatersRealm> argh
[10:33] <CheatersRealm> stupid agp crap
[10:34] <etorix> glxgears
[10:34] <etorix> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:34] <etorix> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[10:34] <kayali> i get a huge 641FPS with glxgears ;)
[10:34] <CheatersRealm> lol
[10:34] <spikeb> heh
[10:34] <etorix> woot
[10:35] <kayali> my radeon9200 kicks ass :)
[10:35] <etorix> most of my other extensions load
[10:35] <kayali> etorix: what card is that?
[10:35] <spikeb> heh
[10:35] <etorix> 5600 xt
[10:35] <mroth> etorix: fix for GLX not found: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=37360#post37360
[10:35] <spikeb> i have a radeon 9200 as well
[10:35] <etorix> nvidia
[10:35] <kayali> etorix: using which drivers?
[10:35] <etorix> o cool
[10:36] <spikeb> my proc is too wimpy to handle ut2004 though
[10:36] <etorix> nvidia-glx from apt
[10:36] <etorix> mine isnt
[10:36] <kayali> how do I add Universe to Synaptic?
[10:36] <rwabel_> I just made dist-upgrade and upgrade on hoary and now I can right click on a picture on firefos and set it as background. Wasn't so before. Great thing!
[10:36] <etorix> 6629 i beleive they are
[10:37] <kayali> rwabel_: yeah, but now, your desktop won't show up on every boot ;)
[10:37] <spikeb> heh
[10:37] <rwabel_> kayali: either by sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list or in synaptic settings repository
[10:37] <spikeb> gimp failed
[10:37] <etorix> but im going to put a new kernel and finish the dist-upgrade before i do any gaming
[10:37] <rwabel_> kayali: damn, that's bad. didn't check so far
[10:38] <illek> Hello all.  A question for you Guru's.  Every time I reboot, I have to run alsaconf again to get sound back. I have a TV card and a sound card installed and on reboots it installs the TVcard as the sound card.  Any way to keep it from reinstalling a "sound card" each bootup?
[10:38] <rwabel_> kayali: do you need universe entries ?
[10:38] <kayali> rwabel_: indeed ;)
[10:38] <r1kk1> how do i get packages to appear in the synaptic, I click all in the categories and nothing appears, as a matter of fact, no packages appear
[10:38] <spikeb> hmm
[10:38] <spikeb> r1kk1, try refreshing first
[10:39] <r1kk1> have done that but no good
[10:39] <sid77> r1kk1, I had the same problem long time ago
[10:39] <r1kk1> it will refresh about 26 packages but none will appear
[10:39] <r1kk1> how did you fix it sid77
[10:40] <sid77> r1kk1, if you go to the preferences you see that no column are selected to be shown
[10:40] <sid77> dist-upgrade to hoary
[10:40] <rwabel_> kayali: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[10:40] <rwabel_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[10:40] <spikeb> trying to anyway
[10:40] <sid77> r1kk1, if you select some of them they will be unselected again
[10:41] <sid77> r1kk1, pretty annoying bug
[10:41] <r1kk1> let me look at prefrences
[10:41] <sid77> r1kk1, maybe should be filed a bug
[10:41] <CheatersRealm> hey, there we go, hardware accel
[10:41] <CheatersRealm> now, can I do fancy tricks with xfree86, or should I upgrade to xorg?
[10:41] <CheatersRealm> well, I just installed, so lets break it
[10:41] <CheatersRealm> lol
[10:41] <spikeb> heh
[10:41] <spikeb> aye
[10:42] <spikeb> my thoughts exactly
[10:42] <kayali> rwabel_: ok thanks
[10:42] <r1kk1> I check all in the columns but still no dice Sid77 this is annoying
[10:42] <CheatersRealm> yar
[10:43] <sid77> r1kk1, I know
[10:43] <Mugsy> hey
[10:43] <sid77> r1kk1, on which architecture are you on?
[10:43] <r1kk1> g3 ibook ppc
[10:44] <sid77> r1kk1, I experienced it on a ppc (just curious)
[10:44] <r1kk1> figures and i just installed abiword and a few apps, went back ffor more and no packages are viewable
[10:45] <r1kk1> i do appreciate ya sid77, what a bug!
[10:45] <CheatersRealm> isn't init 3 supposed to drop me to a terminal?
[10:46] <kayali> is there a way to make apt-get install suggested and recommended packages ?
[10:46] <sid77> r1kk1, I think the bug shows up if you check the option to bring more tabs in the lower panel
[10:47] <sid77> r1kk1, anyway newer version of synaptic are fxed
[10:47] <spikeb> that reminds me
[10:47] <kayali> when I 'apt-get install anjuta' it suggests a few recommanded and suggested packages, but doesn't install them....
[10:47] <spikeb> WHY is emacs installed by default?
[10:47] <r1kk1> all the tabs are greyout for me
[10:47] <kayali> spikeb: good question
[10:47] <rwabel_> kayali: you have to add them seperately. it only suggest them :-)
[10:47] <sid77> r1kk1, because no package is selected
[10:47] <r1kk1> i need to select a package for them to ungrey but that goes back to seeing no package
[10:47] <Mugsy> can anyone help me?  I installed ubuntu and it worked fine until it rebooted after it was finished and it gave me a BOOT DISK FAILURE error.
[10:48] <kayali> rwabel_: ok, so it installs anjuta, but not gcc... that's a bit strange ;)
[10:48] <r1kk1> I even selected all the mirrors for repositories
[10:48] <CheatersRealm> etorix, I can't follow your directions for installing xorg, init 3 doesn't do anything
[10:49] <etorix> init 3 isjust quit x to a full-screen term
[10:49] <CheatersRealm> right
[10:49] <CheatersRealm> it's not doing that.
[10:49] <rwabel_> kayali: well when it depends on gcc it installs it. what he needs he installs. what I suggest he only suggest. bug you can right click on the suggestions and add them for installation
[10:50] <rwabel_> not everyone wants to have suggested packages installed
[10:50] <etorix> ctrl-alt-f1 ?
[10:50] <CheatersRealm> excellent
[10:50] <CheatersRealm> should I shutdown x now?
[10:50] <CheatersRealm> or just forget about it?
[10:50] <kayali> rwabel_: anjuta is useless without gcc and automake... I have like 12 suggested packages, I need to note their name and apt-get them... I find that cumbersome, but well ....
[10:51] <rwabel_> use synaptic
[10:51] <vinic> hi people! I just reinstalled XP and I was aware to lose grub but I was also aware how to get it back... well, it doesnt work, so I need help...
[10:51] <kayali> oh...
[10:51] <rwabel_> or maybe there is an option for apt-get to install suggested packages. But I don't know it
[10:52] <will> vinic:did you back up your MBR?
[10:52] <vinic> will erm, no
[10:52] <vinic> will I didnt know that was possible
[10:52] <vinic> :)
[10:54] <CheatersRealm> how do you use apt to list packages that match a string?
[10:54] <scizzo> CheatersRealm: match a string?
[10:54] <vinic> will : but I still can access my  /boot/grub directory with rescue disc
[10:54] <CheatersRealm> like if I want to find the xorg package?
[10:54] <CheatersRealm> wait
[10:54] <CheatersRealm> I need different servers don't I
[10:54] <CheatersRealm> lol
[10:54] <scizzo> CheatersRealm: apt-cache search xorg?
[10:54] <scizzo> CheatersRealm: apt-cache show package
[10:55] <vinic> will: and running grub-install should work.... but it doesnt
[10:55] <spikeb> you could do it manually
[10:55] <CheatersRealm> thx scizzo
[10:55] <CheatersRealm> etorix, what apt repository has xorg?
[10:55] <mojo_> ROFLMAO Get this... I just let the dog out and see this odd package left on the steps.  It's for me, but doesn't say from whom.  Only clue is the Swiss Post/Zurich label.  Guess what it was?  My UBUNTU Cd's!!  LOL I sent of for these ages ago, and only yesterday finally dl'd and installed Ubuntu.  Weird. LOL
[10:55] <rwabel_> cheaters: are you on hoary?
[10:55] <spikeb> mojo_, LOL i got mine today too
[10:55] <CheatersRealm> rwabel_, newp
[10:56] <mojo_> Pretty cd's... the Ubuntu logo works well for cd-labels
[10:56] <will> vinic: have a look at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installation.html#Installation
[10:56] <spikeb> mojo_, how many did you get?
[10:56] <etorix> ermj .. im not sure
[10:56] <scizzo> CheatersRealm: are you very new to this?
[10:56] <scizzo> CheatersRealm: because warty does not use xorg
[10:57] <rwabel_> cheaters: well there might me some backports. check the forum
[10:57] <spikeb> i didnt see xorg on the list of backports
[10:57] <rwabel_> now
[10:57] <scizzo> CheatersRealm: its in hoary and hoary is development version
[10:57] <rwabel_> a reason to switch to hoary...all the time new stuff and broken stuff ;-9 that's fun
[10:57] <CheatersRealm> scizzo, lay it on me then
[10:57] <spikeb> rwabel_, yeah im upgrading to check it out
[10:57] <scizzo> CheatersRealm: ?
[10:57] <spikeb> and if it breaks im going back
[10:58] <CheatersRealm> well, a backport would be nice
[10:58] <CheatersRealm> but it's not a requirement
[10:58] <rwabel_> spikeb: it's worth it, if u can life with some hand-working
[10:58] <mojo_> Um, I got two amd64/emt64 cds and eight of the x86 LiveCD/InstallCD packs.  So 10 in all, or 18 discs
[10:58] <scizzo> hoary will break things
[10:58] <mojo_> The website said ask for plenty and pass 'em out... so... :D
[10:58] <spikeb> rwabel_, well what i plan to do is only update when the branch is relatively stable.
[10:58] <spikeb> i can ask every week or so
[10:58] <spikeb> mojo_, cool. i got five each of the ppc and x86
[10:58] <bob2> hey pw
[10:59] <mojo_> I'm gonna give a cpl to my brothers to see if they wanna try them
[10:59] <rwabel_> spikeb: you mean in some months?
[10:59] <will> vinic: see this, its better, and look under 'Oops, I Didn't Create A Grub Boot Disk And Now Linux Won't Boot?:' http://www.desktop-linux.net/grub.htm
[10:59] <mojo_> They are still enraptured with the windows world
[11:00] <vinic> will : thanks I'm checking that
[11:00] <CheatersRealm> is hoary really that experimental?
[11:00] <spikeb> rwabel_, well no, just updating when nothing major is broken
[11:01] <spikeb> brb
[11:01] <rwabel_> spikeb: aha, but when do you know that ;-) it's not always that obvious. but it's a good idea to wait with upgrades
[11:01] <vinic> will : damn, my floppy is broken!
[11:02] <Mugsy> can anyone help me?  I installed ubuntu and it worked fine until it rebooted after it was finished and it gave me a BOOT DISK FAILURE error.
[11:03] <rwabel_> mugsy: did you come to grub?
[11:03] <spikeb> goddamn panel
[11:04] <rwabel_> spikeb: hehe happend to me today again. what's your problem with the panel?
[11:04] <spikeb> rwabel_, it tries to start eight billion times
[11:04] <will> vinic:i had the same prblem- better buy a new one!
[11:05] <vinic> will : yeh... guess so
[11:05] <rwabel_> spikeb: I had to killall some gnome stuff and finally a reboot helped
[11:05] <spikeb> heh
[11:05] <spikeb> i rebooted
[11:05] <vinic> will : but i have to solve that fast
[11:07] <spikeb> bah
[11:07] <spikeb> not using a cvs version of rhythmbox
[11:07] <spikeb> heh
[11:07] <rwabel_> damn, all the icons in the taskbar are so small, very narrowed...is there a way to make them larger (well not bigger in size)
[11:08] <will> vinic: you can make a grub cd
[11:09] <thotypous> Why ubuntu doesn't have ffmpeg packages? How it's supposed to play ASF files?
[11:09] <will> vinic : or the easist way is th boot ubuntu live cd and install grub (easY!!)
[11:09] <spikeb> heh
[11:09] <vinic> will : yeh, I was thinking about that, on a CDRW
[11:09] <spikeb> i think ill go back to warty and use some backports
[11:09] <vinic> will : sounds nice
[11:09] <will> thotypous: use the w32codecs & xine orgetVLC
[11:09] <scizzo> thotypous: have you read about the Restrictedformats on the wiki?
[11:10] <JStrike> thotypous : Because there are patents and copyrights involved
[11:10] <thotypous> scizzo, no... ffmpeg as patent restrictions?
[11:10] <bob2> thotypous: talk to your local government representative about unfucking the world's laws
[11:10] <will> vinic: remember it has to be a bootable cd
[11:10] <thotypous> I'm lucky I'm brazilian
[11:10] <bob2> thotypous: mpeg-4 is patented
[11:10] <thotypous> =)
[11:10] <vinic> will : and?...
[11:10] <bob2> hah, lucky
[11:11] <thotypous> here aren't software patents
[11:11] <scizzo> thotypous: read the wiki please...it will give you answers to a lot of things
[11:11] <vinic> will : what may I do?
[11:11] <thotypous> scizzo, ok ok thanks ;)
[11:11] <will> vinic: have you got the ubuntu live cd?
[11:11] <vinic> will : "live" I dont know... but I have the Warty CD
[11:12] <vinic> will : is this what you call the "live" cd
[11:12] <will> vinic: its the cd you put in and can run ubuntu straight off the CD
[11:13] <vinic> vinic :  but it hasnt a rescue mode? has it?
[11:13] <thotypous> so I will get gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg from other repository and it's ok =)
[11:15] <will> thotypous: use VLC
[11:15] <vinic> will : whatever, I forgot to say that I can run rescue mode from a Mandrake 9.1 CD
[11:15] <thotypous> will, I like VLC, but I want gstreamer integration
[11:15] <leitao> please, how can i check all the packages my last apt-get update changed?
[11:16] <will> thotypous: Gstreamer is not stable/usable enough yet for me :(
[11:16] <thotypous> will, but it's the default system in ubuntu
[11:17] <vinic> will : OH I just understood the "live" cd (I'm french...)
[11:17] <mojo_> heya, is libdcss/libdvdcss in a repository i can add to synaptic or do i have to do that one manually?  i already have the multiverse added to synaptic but i don't find them.... :(
[11:17] <thotypous> yeah! gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg worked just rlz =)
[11:17] <will> vinic: its okay. do you have that cd?
[11:18] <vinic> will : no
[11:18] <spikeb> the ubuntu logo looks like it was designed for cds
[11:18] <mojo_> purty aint it?
[11:19] <will> well vinic: have you found a working floppy disk then?
[11:19] <spikeb> aye
[11:20] <mojo_> well... from a design standpoint i like it.  it makes a good recognizable logo, incorporates the notion of the three ppl in a circle w/ eachother, which alludes to the ubuntu 'humanity to others'... visually simple and attractive
[11:20] <vinic> will : no, I only have a CD player working on that computer
[11:20] <vinic> will : It received High voltage and all went off, includin HD
[11:20] <vinic> :/
[11:20] <mojo_> i also like the color scheme and that they actually distribute a pallete or two for artists to use
[11:21] <mojo_> heh... i hope that boom wasn't his processor going nuclear lol
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:22] <mojo_> So... libdcss...  anyone?
[11:24] <[Devil-Boy] > can someone help
[11:25] <[Devil-Boy] > i know the type of device i have
[11:25] <[Devil-Boy] > but i don;t know how to patch it
[11:25] <CheatersRealm> [Devil-Boy] , what do you mean?
[11:25] <pw> how's ubuntu as a server?
[11:25] <spikeb> pw, apparently fine
[11:25] <[Devil-Boy] > 0000:02:07.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controlle r (rev 01)
[11:25] <spikeb> but it seems desktoppy to me
[11:25] <pw> spikeb: it's all polished and nice and stuff
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> pw: it's ok, some things are irritating
[11:26] <[Devil-Boy] > i need to patch the drivers so i can use kismet and airsnort
[11:26] <spikeb> pw, aye
[11:26] <[Devil-Boy] > :S
[11:26] <pw> my server looks distinctly untidy compared to my desktop
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> pw: I had trouble because I had an SATA adatper and a 3ware card
[11:26] <spikeb> if i was going to use a server, i would probably use debian proper or centos
[11:26] <spikeb> or slack
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> it didn't load the 3ware drivers on the initrd
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> oh god forbid slackware
[11:26] <pw> HrdwrBoB: the only slight fly in my ointment is the WG311T, but that works fine and I've updated the hardware matrix to say so.
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> well I'd like php5
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> unfortunately it's not in warty
[11:27] <pw> ah, I don't need anything like that
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> which is irritating me
[11:27] <pw> I need (thinks) exim4, courier, and apache + php4
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> ah
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> well I'm tempted just to go with php4
[11:27] <pw> and the box is dead simple
[11:27] <spikeb> I really like the human icon set
[11:27] <CheatersRealm> will hoary get rc's before it's ready?
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> but I know the programmers would love the new features of 5
[11:27] <spikeb> how come it's not the default in hoary yet?
[11:27] <spikeb> CheatersRealm, yes
[11:28] <CheatersRealm> spikeb, and once they start coming out, the testing should be pretty stable, yeah?
[11:28] <spikeb> if the first release is any indication, yes.
[11:28] <spikeb> brb
[11:31] <[Devil-Boy] > does anyone understands about orinoco drivers in linux?
[11:31] <[Devil-Boy] > it's related to wireless
[11:31] <[Devil-Boy] > or wi fi
[11:33] <will> how do i set the path for a fnt directory?
[11:33] <will> sorry FONT directory!
[11:35] <[Devil-Boy] > The Linux Orinoco Driver - CVS>> anyone who can help me with this?
[11:36] <rob66221> unable to get cd drive to mount: "mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist" ... it is a fresh install from this cd drive ... can anyone help?
[11:37] <scizzo> rob66221: what are you trying to do actually?
[11:38] <rob66221> scizzo, just checking out and learning linux; want to view contents of cd
[11:38] <scizzo> rob66221: so mount /cdrom gives you that error?
[11:39] <EpheMeroN> hey guys i downloaded and installed java off the forums HOWTO section but still won't work in firefox
[11:39] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: did you do the steps with copy stuff ?
[11:40] <EpheMeroN> yes i downloaded the java off the link, then did copy/paste in a terminal just as the thread mentioned
[11:40] <imka> hi
[11:40] <s0cks> ogra : You here?
[11:40] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: have you restarted firefox?
[11:40] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: and did you copy/paste to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ ?
[11:40] <rob66221> scizzo, doing Computer > Disks > (double-click) CD-ROM 1 gives me that error; I will try mount /cdrom now  ... standby
[11:40] <ogra> s0cks: ?
[11:40] <EpheMeroN> I'll try now 'cuz I did this yesterday so maybe a reboot fixed it lemme check.
[11:41] <imka> gnomemeeting says it needs a full-duplex soundcard. what's full duplex? does a via onboard sound device fall in that category?
[11:41] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: you don't need to reboot
[11:41] <s0cks> ogra : so what went on at the conference?
[11:41] <ogra> s0cks: a lot of nice talks...... much hacking......
[11:42] <sjoerd> imka: that means you need a soundcard that can record and output audio at the same time
[11:42] <s0cks> ogra : Excellent
[11:42] <ogra> s0cks: seen the pictures ?
[11:42] <s0cks> A few.
[11:42] <rob66221> scizzo, yes from terminal, "mount /cdrom" gives error "mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist"
[11:43] <imka> sjoerd thanks. i think i should look at some database. but im afraid that i won't be able to do that with my onboard one
[11:43] <Hikaru79> Anyone know where I can find a non-binary version of libtcltk for ruby?
[11:43] <scizzo> rob66221: ummm....you shouldn't use scd0
[11:43] <s0cks> ogra : http://foodfight.org/fotos/2004/07-19%20First%20pictures/?IMG_0003.JPG
[11:43] <EpheMeroN> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=198   >>> that's what I did. The very first post in the thread. I did that and Java is not working yet.
[11:43] <rob66221> scizzo, this was the default install setting; what should I do to correct?
[11:44] <sjoerd> imka: dunno, iirc gnomemeeting tests for it, but i'm not sure
[11:44] <scizzo> rob66221: is this the standard install of warty?
[11:44] <ogra> s0cks: heh.... i have only seen the hotel...... treenaks was there a day before it started
[11:45] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[11:45] <rob66221> scizzo, yes, it's the standard warty install
[11:45] <ogra> s0cks: .... so he could take nice pics of mataro
[11:45] <scizzo> rob66221: dmesg |grep hd
[11:45] <s0cks> ogra : I would have loved to come, but taxi fare from the USA is a bit expensive.
[11:45] <scizzo> rob66221: try to find which one is your CD drive
[11:45] <sjoerd> s0cks: that picture is not in spain
[11:46] <EpheMeroN> scizzo: done
[11:46] <ogra> sjoerd: lol
[11:46] <s0cks> lol
[11:46] <ogra> sjoerd: true, amsterdam i guess
[11:47] <s0cks> I wanna go there to have some legal hash brownies.
[11:47] <mitochondyu> hi all
[11:47] <sjoerd> ogra: yeah either amsterdam or utrecht
[11:47] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: well....could you tell me the libjava thingy
[11:48] <mitochondyu> anyone knows does linux have a program like GRABIT, using usenet to download stuff?
[11:48] <vinic> will : what's the command for cleaning screen in shell?
[11:48] <ogra> s0cks: its illegal, even in nl, they just connive it
[11:48] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: libjavaplugin_oji.so
[11:48] <vinic>  what's the command for cleaning screen in shell?
[11:48] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: show me the whole line
[11:48] <EpheMeroN> total 20
[11:48] <EpheMeroN> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        19600 2004-10-13 05:50 libnullplugin.so
[11:48] <s0cks> lol
[11:48] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: thats it?
[11:48] <EpheMeroN> yes
[11:49] <rob66221> scizzo, "dmesg | grep cd" reveals "sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 24x24x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray"
[11:49] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: ls -l .mozilla/firefox/plugins/
[11:49] <s0cks> Ubuntu has a HUGE wiki.
[11:49] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: in your homedir
[11:50] <scizzo> rob66221: mount /dev/sr0 /cdrom
[11:50] <scizzo> rob66221: try that
[11:50] <scizzo> rob66221: that is: sudo mount /dev/sr0 /cdrom
[11:50] <EpheMeroN> ls: .mozilla/firefox/plugins/: No such file or directory
[11:50] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: you haven't followed the howto completely then
[11:51] <EpheMeroN> A few posts below it says to: mkdir /home/username/.mozilla/plugins
[11:51] <jocco> HI again :) can anyone please refer me to a verbose tutorial on setting up Ubuntu and my windows system conected through a cheep router ? :) TIA
[11:51] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: aaa...
[11:51] <EpheMeroN> Do I need to do that and THEN run the install?
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> scizzo: no you should be able to use pmount as a user
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> that's what pmount is for
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> pmount /dev/sr0
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> jocco: install ubuntu
[11:52] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: sudo  ln -s /usr/local/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> jocco: use interweb
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> the end
[11:52] <jocco> Ok thanks :)
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> jocco: a cheap router should still have DHCP etc
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> so it will all be automatic
[11:52] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: try that...and then restart firefox
[11:52] <rob66221> scizzo, "mount /dev/sr0 /cdrom" gives "mount: only root can do that"; so I am doing "su" and can't remember setting a root password during install, ug; is there a default?
[11:52] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: in the search: about:plugins
[11:52] <jocco> Thank you :)
[11:52] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: look if everything is found there
[11:53] <scizzo> rob66221: sudo please
[11:53] <scizzo> rob66221: sudo mount /dev/sr0 /cdrom
[11:54] <Dekkard> hmm
[11:54] <jocco> http://interweb.spb.ru/
[11:55] <jocco> ?
[11:55] <EpheMeroN> scizzo: can I pm u?
[11:55] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: why?
[11:55] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: I told you what to try...could you please try that instead?
[11:56] <rob66221> scizzo, that did it :) what do I need to do to make the desktop icon (Computer > Disks > CD-ROM 1) run the proper command now?
[11:56] <EpheMeroN> I did -and restarted Firefox.
[11:56] <EpheMeroN> didn't work
[11:57] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: hold on....sudo ln -s /usr/local blabla /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/file did not work ?
[11:57] <jocco> in kde I used konquor to access my FTP, what do people in Gnome use? (with GUI please :) )
[11:57] <crimsun> nautilus?
[11:57] <EpheMeroN> no sir
[11:58] <Ribs> or gftp if you don't like nautilus constantly fucking up
[11:58] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3713.html
[11:58] <scizzo> EpheMeroN: try to follow that howto for java...it worked fine for me
[11:58] <EpheMeroN> k
[11:58] <EpheMeroN> thanks
[11:58] <thrift> does anyone have the nvidia drivers working under ubuntu 64?  I'm getting garbled textures in wolfet and unreal won't load....
[11:58] <JStrike> jocco : Why are you looking for an address bar?
[11:59] <scizzo> rob66221: hmmm...change the options in /etc/fstab
[11:59] <jocco> in nautalis yes :)
[11:59] <JStrike> jocco : No. I am asking why you would be looking for one?
[11:59] <Dekkard> just install gftp
[11:59] <jocco> to access my FTP
[11:59] <JStrike> Click on the File Menu and the "connect to server"
[12:00] <jocco> yes I am apt-geting gftp now thankyou :)