[12:00] <Dekkard> im leeeery of doing this new hoary upgrade...
[12:00] <Dekkard> they work like maniacs
[12:00] <etorix> thrift .. i tried but no banana
[12:00] <jocco> gftp looks nice thankyou :)
[12:01] <[Devil-Boy] > # Linux LKM Wireless Driver Source Code, Version 7.18
[12:01] <[Devil-Boy] > # Linux LKM Wireless Driver Source Code, Version 7.22
[12:01] <thrift> etorix: how far did you get with them, I actually have them running it's just the garbled texture, I've been scrounging the internet hoping someone has found a solution
[12:01] <Dekkard> np jocco
[12:01] <[Devil-Boy] > which one do i need to download?
[12:01] <[Devil-Boy] > i have ubuntu!
[12:01] <jocco> mee too, and I like it :)
[12:02] <etorix> i got as far as no GLX
[12:02] <[Devil-Boy] > i would like it even better if i knew how to use it
[12:02] <etorix> and i found a fix
[12:02] <etorix>  sec
[12:02] <[Devil-Boy] > hello
[12:02] <thrift> etorix: I have glx up now, it might not be perfect but glxgears at least runs
[12:03] <etorix> nvidia-glx?
[12:03] <thrift> etorix: yes
[12:04] <etorix> i have nvidia running fine on my debian-amd64
[12:04] <thrift> etorix: have you tried anything that uses the quake 3 engine on it?
[12:04] <imka> when im configuring gnomemeeting, it only offers one sound device /dev/dsp1. that means that my card has no full-duplex support, right?
[12:04] <sjoerd> imka: no
[12:04] <etorix> no not yet ..
[12:04] <imka> what then?
[12:05] <thrift> etorix: Just wondering if you would have messed up textures there
[12:05] <etorix> im gonna try doom3 but i cant get a 6800 into this Shuttle ..
[12:05] <rob66221> scizzo, i'm clicking on /etc/fstab and it opens in gedit as readonly; i see the line i need to modify, but it's readonly
[12:05] <thrift> etoris: lol
[12:05] <scizzo> rob66221: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[12:05] <zenwhen> can the live cd be used without starting X?
[12:05] <imka> the other device it's offering is my tv-card
[12:06] <etorix> the ubuntu .. my ubuntu aint ready for gaming yet anyway ..
[12:06] <thrift> etorix: gaming is the first thing I'm trying to set up on ubuntu, if I can't get it to work I might go back to ubuntu32
[12:07] <ogra> imka: half duplex is like talking through a walkie talkie (only one at a time can speak) full duplex is like phoning (both can speak at the same time) ....
[12:07] <etorix> hmm .. my debootstrapped denian-amd64 is nice ..
[12:07] <sjoerd> imka: you can't see that by the device names
[12:07] <rob66221> scizzo, T H A N K Y O U so much!  :)  bye.  rob
[12:07] <scizzo> np
[12:07] <ogra> imka: i think its not a question of the device in /dev , rather if your card chopset supports this mode
[12:07] <ogra> chip
[12:07] <sjoerd> imka: i mostly use the microphone from my webcam and output on the normal soundcard..
[12:08] <[Devil-Boy] > The driver files for the Linux driver are not "ready" for direct
[12:08] <[Devil-Boy] >     installation onto any Linux computer.  To build and install the driver you
[12:08] <[Devil-Boy] >     need some expertise on the Linux operating system in general and the type
[12:08] <[Devil-Boy] >     and version installed of the kernel installed on your computer.  With this
[12:08] <[Devil-Boy] >     knowledge you can use the driver source files provided to build your own
[12:08] <[Devil-Boy] >     Linux driver for your specific computer and kernel.
[12:08] <Blackwell> ...
[12:08] <imka> sjoerd i have a headset
[12:08] <[Devil-Boy] > where can i get some expertise on linux?
[12:08] <Dekkard> ??
[12:08] <Dekkard> google
[12:08] <Dekkard> simply linux
[12:08] <Blackwell> [Devil-Boy] : expertise? how to, manual for linux, etc. pp.
[12:08] <[Devil-Boy] > i need to complie a driver
[12:09] <[Devil-Boy] > i tryed all that
[12:09] <[Devil-Boy] > just so much to read
[12:09] <Dekkard> do you have the driver source?
[12:09] <[Devil-Boy] > yes
[12:09] <zenlunatic> Where the list of ubuntu sources.list servers?
[12:09] <Dekkard> have you untarred it?
[12:09] <[Devil-Boy] > yes
[12:09] <Dekkard> have you run ./configure
[12:09] <[Devil-Boy] > nope
[12:09] <Dekkard> :)
[12:09] <Dekkard> try that
[12:09] <[Devil-Boy] > shall i do that on a terminal?
[12:10] <sjoerd> imka: just select both input and output as the same device and see what happens
[12:10] <Dekkard> in terminal from the folder that has the untarred driver source
[12:10] <Dekkard> btw [Devil-Boy]  if ya dont wanna read.. yer barking up the wrong OS tree
[12:10] <[Devil-Boy] > ok
[12:10] <[Devil-Boy] > it's not that
[12:10] <[Devil-Boy] > it's i got this specific little problem
[12:11] <[Devil-Boy] > and there's too much to read about linux
[12:11] <xiam> do you know something like Quanta but using GTK? (not screem)
[12:11] <[Devil-Boy] > but i'll get there
[12:11] <sjoerd> [Devil-Boy] : for what do you need to compile a driver ?
[12:11] <lukins> having problems with screen resolutionin hoary
[12:11] <[Devil-Boy] > so i can use kismet and airsnort
[12:12] <sjoerd> don't those work with the default drivers ?
[12:12] <[Devil-Boy] > nope
[12:12] <Kirsch> hey guys, i have a Canon a85 Digital Camera, when I plug it in, it doesn't show up on my desktop but Device Manager does show that it is connected ,any ideas?
[12:12] <lukins> any way to manually change resolution, i've checked xorg.conf, dgpkg reconfigure x
[12:13] <ogra> Kirsch: i heard that you have to ebale the play mode or such to make it work
[12:13] <ogra> enable
[12:13] <Kirsch> yea, it's on play.
[12:14] <scizzo> lukins: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[12:14] <scizzo> lukins: System -> Systemtools -> Resolution ?
[12:14] <sjoerd> Kirsch: that's probably a ptp camera then
[12:14] <scizzo> lukins: maybe
[12:14] <ogra> Kirsch: hmm, try opening gthumb and click import photos from the file menu.....
[12:15] <lukins> scizzo tried both
[12:15] <Einzelganger> When ever I do "ls /" (list the contents of the root), the command hangs and I can't kill it. To make it totally weird, I do have this now in ubuntu/hoary. If I ssh to a debian/woody box, I get exactly the same problem. This both in console as in X. Any clues what's going on ?
[12:15] <jocco> this is frusterating, I can see my windows Box in the network window , but when I try to access it it tells me permission denied :/
[12:15] <jocco> I am so close LOL!
[12:15] <Kirsch> ogra: thanks, that worked :-)
[12:16] <[Devil-Boy] > Dekkard, i don't seem to be able to get access to the folder
[12:16] <[Devil-Boy] > where the files are
[12:16] <thenuke> jocco: i think you need permissions :I
[12:16] <[Devil-Boy] > it shows in a blue color
[12:16] <thenuke> jocco: change windows like that you dont need them
[12:16] <ogra> Kirsch: but it should normally work automatically ..... even with ptp ....
[12:16] <thenuke> or something
[12:16] <Kirsch> yea... that's why i'm confused...
[12:16] <[Devil-Boy] > do i need to use the sudo command?
[12:16] <Kirsch> i might restart.. see if that does anything.
[12:16] <ogra> Kirsch: hmmm
[12:16] <thenuke> or have a user with maybe a password which has permissions in that windows box
[12:17] <Kirsch> brb
[12:18] <Dekkard> hmm
[12:18] <Dekkard> wierd
[12:19] <Dekkard> you should be able to get into the folder even as user
[12:19] <Dekkard> form console
[12:19] <Dekkard> from
[12:19] <Dekkard> where is the folder
[12:19] <jocco> from network Icon in Computer menu
[12:20] <Dekkard> oi
[12:20] <Dekkard> sounds like you have no acces privvies
[12:20] <Dekkard> and me is a network idiot
[12:20] <jocco> I am looking at permissions, and it tells me I am not owner LOL!
[12:21] <jocco> perhaps I change my login
[12:21] <Dekkard> heh
[12:21] <Dekkard> lol
[12:21] <Dekkard>  where is that name from
[12:21] <hwm> anyone here successfully install xfig or know where a package can be found to install it?
[12:21] <Dekkard> fielding melish..
[12:21] <Dekkard> some t.v show
[12:22] <henry_> anyone have this problem: I dist-upgrade, and apt upgrades some gnome stuff.. when it's finished all my gnome apps freeze up, and when I ctrl-alt-backspace and then reboot I don't get menus, desktop, or any applets.. only two panels and a "show desktop" applet
[12:22] <jocco> my mom gave it to me, how do you know my name?
[12:22] <jocco> :D
[12:22] <Dekkard> right..
[12:22] <ogra> hwm: its in universe, install it with synaptic
[12:22] <Dekkard> lol
[12:23] <henry_> I tried creating a new account, login to that, and startx, and it works..
[12:23] <hwm> ogra - universe?  Am new to synaptic
[12:23] <ogra> hwm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[12:24] <mojo_> I added the debian marillat apt source to try and get libdvdcss/libdcss but i get errors because there are no binary-amd64 directories on the repository... WHAT TO DO?
[12:24] <hwm> ogra - universe is a repository I need to add to synaptic?
[12:24] <ogra> mojo_: nothing.....
[12:24] <ogra> hwm: yep
[12:25] <mojo_> so i am just outta luck b/c i am running 64bit ?
[12:25] <ogra> mojo_: try to find source pkgs or use a chroot 32bit environment
[12:25] <hwm> ogra - can you help me out with the syntax a bit?  I did it for wine, but with very specific instructions
[12:25] <mojo_> What is a chroot 32 bit environment?
[12:26] <ogra> mojo_: you set up a 32bit env inside you 64bit linux and are able to run 32bit apps
[12:26] <ogra> mojo_: many ppl do it for firefox i heard.... to make the plugins work
[12:27] <mojo_> OH, cool!  Where do I go to learn how to do that?  chroot have a webpage or sumthin?
[12:27] <njs12345> hmm
[12:27] <njs12345> when I try to start mplayer it just hangs
[12:27] <njs12345> mojo_: try "man chroot"
[12:27] <ogra> mojo_: there is some doc on alioth.debian.org i think.... anywhere in the amd64 port corner
[12:28] <etorix> yup
[12:28] <etorix> theres a good howto
[12:28] <ogra> etorix: got the ulr for mojo ?
[12:28] <njs12345> the last two lines of the output are "alsa-init: got device=0, subdevice=0
[12:28] <njs12345> alsa-init: 1 soundcard found, using: default
[12:28] <njs12345> "
[12:28] <ogra> url
[12:28] <hwm> ogra: for example, is it binary or source, what is the URI and what do I put in the distribution field?
[12:28] <etorix> mojo?
[12:29] <etorix> o0o
[12:29] <etorix>  sec
[12:29] <ogra> hwm: look at the howto....there is a screenshot with universe :)
[12:29] <etorix> http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-amd64/.
[12:30] <etorix> mojo:
[12:30] <makhand> does anyone know why I cant do 'sh file.bin'?
[12:30] <makhand> or now I can fix that?
[12:30] <mojo_> So the idea with chroot() is that it can set up an alternate directory structure so that the programs will find 32bit libs and such under the /lib dir?
[12:30] <bob2> that's one use of it
[12:30] <njs12345> makhand: that normally means a corrupt binary
[12:30] <ogra> makhand: sh ./file.bin ?
[12:30] <etorix> debootstrap is the bit
[12:31] <jocco> netquake 0o
[12:31] <njs12345> mojo_: another common use is to secure programs - so if they're exploited the cracker can't do as much damage
[12:31] <mojo_> etorix: thanks for the link...
[12:31] <etorix> chroot lails
[12:31] <makhand> I was trying to follow these instructions :http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport/view?searchterm=java
[12:31] <etorix> jails*
[12:32] <etorix> hmm .. never done a jail
[12:32] <Blackwell> makhand: follow these instead: http://javafaq.mine.nu/lookup?67
[12:32] <mojo_> jail ... you don't want to.  been held on bail b4 for a week... NOT fun
[12:33] <makhand> blackwell, thanks, I'll try
[12:33] <etorix> o0o ive been IN jail .. never done chroot jail
[12:34] <jocco> blender, and Wings 3d work very well with ubuntu, why is it not in the apt- list? Blender is, but is Ancient version :/ perhaps I am the first to install it :D
[12:34] <mojo_> being in jail is kinda like an app in a chroot()...  limited access, can't interact with the outside except via the kernel...
[12:34] <mojo_> lol
[12:34] <ogra> etorix: chroot jail is great if you got server users that urgently need ftp access.... you can minimize the security risk ;)
[12:34] <njs12345> lol
[12:34] <muyloko> hello, i need help to remove grubb(or whatever is called the boot loader of ubuntu) from the boot sector of my hard drive  without reinstalling windows
[12:34] <macewan> having trouble removing an application with dpkg. Getting: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 10
[12:34] <Blackwell> why does that page suggest JRE download? grr
[12:35] <njs12345> muyloko: have you got your Windows cd handy?
[12:35] <njs12345> you can insert it
[12:35] <njs12345> goto a command prompt
[12:35] <njs12345> and type "fixboot"
[12:35] <muyloko> can i do it without the windows cd?
[12:35] <njs12345> possibly, don't know
[12:35] <mojo_> So it looks like I'm gonna have probs w/ other stuff b/c of bein on 64bit too... can chroot help with flash, or with video drivers (i have an ati radeon 9800pro)
[12:35] <ferris> which version of windows?
 that is a cool trick... I always just install a diffrent distro to fix the MRB :D
[12:36] <muyloko> what about configure grubb so windows is the default boot system
[12:36] <muyloko> ?
 which version of windows are you using?
[12:36] <muyloko> xp
[12:36] <ogra> Blackwell: http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu#Java_1.5
[12:37] <ferris> boot to the command prompt
[12:37] <ogra> Blackwell: there is the prepackaged one
[12:37] <ferris> then type the fixboot command
[12:37] <muyloko> ok
[12:37] <muyloko> thanks
[12:37] <ferris> yep
[12:37] <Blackwell> ogra: that looks more useful than what the wiki suggests.
[12:37] <Blackwell> plus you stay inside the packaging system.
[12:38] <njs12345> lol
[12:38] <njs12345> I trust all of you have heard of bash.org?
[12:38] <ogra> Blackwell: the wiki method 2 is also great, i ues it everytime....
[12:38] <ogra> use
[12:38] <Blackwell> makhand, i guess try the route suggested by ogra.
[12:38] <Blackwell> ogra: method 2? i don't think i have seen that.
[12:38] <ferris> how can i get my program files to show up (either in a menu or folder) when logged into xfce?
[12:39] <ogra> Blackwell: on the official wiki
[12:39] <Quest-Master> Has anyone managed to get PSP7 working under Wine?
[12:39] <Quest-Master> Or Photoshop 7?
[12:39] <Blackwell> ogra: it misses a linebreak. a killer for newbs. plus it suggests jre, not sdk. plus it invites dependency complaints from the package system later one.
[12:40] <Se7h> Quest-Master not me
[12:40] <ogra> Quest-Master: she has... there is a howto on the site anywhere: http://suzansworld.com/
[12:40] <Blackwell> and it mumbles about JAVA_HOME, which is no use at all.
[12:40] <ogra> Blackwell: JAVA_HOME ?
[12:40] <Blackwell> fortunately it doesn't suggest CLASSPATH...
[12:40] <ogra> Blackwell: never seen that.....
[12:40] <Blackwell> ogra: yeah: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport/view?searchterm=java
[12:41] <Blackwell> ogra: some app servers, etc. require it.
[12:41] <ogra> Blackwell: method 2 http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[12:41] <Se7h> deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge non-free
[12:41] <Se7h> Blackwell
[12:41] <Se7h> there
[12:42] <Se7h> worked for me
[12:42] <ferris> java was fairly easy to install... I just did it yesterday.... I went to their site, downloaded it and followed THEIR instructions, it worked fairly well
[12:42] <ogra> Blackwell: which is the same method that was used to make the ubuntu java package on arslinux :)
[12:42] <JakeMega> hallo. would someone be so kind and help me installing firefox 1.0 instead of this older version whis is available through synaptics?
[12:42] <Blackwell> ogra: hm, i guess all that java stuff can use a clean up. several pages in the same wiki covering the same topic seems confusing.
[12:42] <hwm> ogra:  thanks!  I always want to make it harder than it is.
[12:42] <JakeMega> hoary crashes my system, so i cant do it that way
[12:43] <ogra> Blackwell: true... the wiki has grown very fast the last three months
[12:43] <Se7h> has anyone tried to connect gnomemeeting to netmeeting ?
[12:43] <hwm> ogra: you wouldn't happen to know how to set up an ubuntu server with two NICs to serve as an Internet gateway for a LAN on eth1 with a DSL connection on eth0?
[12:44] <mjr> Se7h, someone has, since it reportedly works if you use a codec that both support
[12:44] <ogra> hwm: heh...you may also want to add multiverse (just apped it after universe with a space) for nonfree software
[12:44] <mjr> I haven't, though, so no spesifics from me :)
[12:44] <Quest-Master> ogra: What language is that page in?
[12:44] <imka> can i disable my onboard sound if i wanna get a proper sound card?
[12:44] <ogra> Quest-Master: argh, sorry... its german...
[12:44] <Quest-Master> ok, I'll translate it in Babelfish and get by ;)
[12:45] <ogra> Quest-Master: probably try babel-...
[12:45] <siretart> Se7h: works great for me
[12:45] <mjr> imka, disabling from BIOS might be preferrable, but you can prevent hotplug from loading its modules by adding them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:45] <Se7h> siretart what do u user
[12:45] <Se7h> h323
[12:45] <Se7h> or callto
[12:45] <Se7h> ?
[12:45] <siretart> Se7h: jupp, h323
[12:45] <Se7h> jupp?
[12:46] <Se7h> ah
[12:46] <Se7h> yup
[12:46] <Se7h> lol
[12:46] <Se7h> hmm
[12:46] <Se7h> r u directly connected to the net ?
[12:46] <Se7h> or by some router ?
[12:46] <imka> mjr, as long as it works ;) but i won't need to do much configuring, right? hotplug should pick it up and work out of the box.
[12:46] <imka> ?
[12:46] <mjr> imka, if your new card is properly supported it should just work
[12:47] <ferris> can someone help me out with a desktop issue?
[12:47] <mjr> though if you fail to disable the on-board one apps may use it by default
[12:47] <mojo_> I'm gonna dash out ... thanks for the amd64 issues link, etorix.  peace out al...
[12:47] <mojo_> *all
[12:48] <imka> question of the day: skype or gnomemeeting?
[12:48] <mjr> gnomemeeting
[12:48] <mjr> free software, open protocol
[12:48] <mjr> (skype = proprietary software and protocol)
[12:49] <imka> alright
[12:49] <jedi> how does one set the $PATH so that it takes effect when logging in via GDM?
[12:49] <imka> a sound blaster audigy should work fine, shouldn't it? i'm gonna hijack my dad tomorrow
[12:50] <hwm> bye
[12:51] <siretart> Se7h: both clients have to be on the same subnet. or via ipv6
[12:51] <kensai> I have used Hoary before but now I try to update to hoary again and something in hoary is breaking my connection to the internet. which package can it be?
[12:54] <jedi> aha, /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[12:59] <nakee> I looked around and I found this email: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-December/014408.html
[12:59] <nakee> I don't understand
[12:59] <nakee> ubuntu doesn't come with kde?
[12:59] <ogra> nakee: kde is unsupported by ubuntu, but instalable
[12:59] <mjr> correct
[01:00] <ogra> nakee: but there is forming a community project called kubuntu
[01:01] <nakee> when I asked few days ago about packages people told me ubuntu recompiles all of debian's package which can be compiled
[01:01] <nakee> I see that is not so accurate
[01:01] <nakee> what else doesn't it support?
[01:01] <bob2> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[01:01] <nakee> is it gnome only?no xfce and the like?
[01:01] <bob2> no, you're confused
[01:01] <etorix> kde 3.3.2 is available in hoary
[01:01] <bob2> support = will fix bugs in
[01:01] <Se7h> http://www.astalavista.com/images/gallery/1_21.jpg
[01:01] <Se7h> lolol
[01:02] <bob2> nearly all of sid is avaiable, but canonical will not go out of it's way to fix bugs in random software
[01:02] <etorix> i installed xfce4 also
[01:02] <nakee> so it there but I shouldn't bother bug reporting?
[01:03] <bob2> you can file bugs in the debian bts
[01:03] <bob2> or ask for help on the ubuntu-user list
[01:03] <etorix> xfce4.2-rc2 64-bit
[01:03] <nakee> bob2: how do I know which packages are supported?
[01:04] <bob2> the ones in 'main' are supported
[01:04] <bob2> in aptitude and apt that's easy to see, I believe synaptic puts an ubuntu logo next to them
[01:04] <ogra> nakee: you see it in the package manager...they got a ubuntu icon ;)
[01:05] <occy> anyone know why IE would toss up 3 notifications on an SSL site but Firefox is only doing it once?
[01:06] <Haukkari> occy: IE = stoopid, Firefox = not so stoopid?
[01:06] <nakee> Kubuntu is a whole diffrent distribution or just a project to get kde as integrated into ubuntu main tree?
[01:10] <s0cks> Hey aperson
[01:11] <aperson> heh
[01:11] <bob2> it's going to be a derivative distribution, aiui
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> kubuntu is like ubuntu for people who aren't sane
[01:11] <ogra> hahahaha
[01:11] <|QuaD-> has kubuntu been started yet?
[01:11] <nakee> too bad, what a waste of resources
[01:12] <bob2> no
[01:12] <TongMaster> mako, ping
[01:12] <bob2> please don't make judgements when don't know the full story :)
[01:12] <|QuaD-> there are soo many kde apps i miss, and i just can't see having kde libs on my box
[01:13] <_mp_> i keep getting hdc:lost interrupt / drive appears confused. similar output as reported in Bug#: 124306 & Bug#: 123944  and from RH6.1 #9077, closed by ac .. hdc=noprobe in grub helps, but..
[01:13] <esher> hi all
[01:14] <esher> can any1 tell me where i can find modconf ?
[01:14] <nakee> bob2: you are right, I just think people too often use forking as a way not to compromise/work with each other, instead of working on their man to man skill, I don't know if it's the case on this case but I saw it happen too often
[01:15] <nakee> and more of the time forking creates a olot of uneeded overhead
[01:15] <nakee> s/more/most
[01:15] <crimsun> esher: don't believe it's installed by default
[01:15] <|QuaD-> nakee: do you prefer gnome or kde?
[01:15] <bob2> nakee: that is not the case for kubuntu
[01:15] <crimsun> esher: shouldn't be needed since Ubuntu uses udev and hotplug
[01:16] <nakee> |QuaD-: I prefer to have both, I use both kde and gnome program, and I would prefer them working well with each other:)
[01:16] <esher> but i love this tool to have a g00d lookup what ive loaded and what not
[01:16] <nakee> |QuaD-: I randomly change around between few window managers to keep life more intresting
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> the whoe ubuntu philosophy is to get an integrated desktop and make it work well
[01:16] <crimsun> esher: come again? `lsmod' also tells you what's loaded. :)
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> offer two entirely different desktop environments gets in the way of that
[01:16] <ogra> esher: lsmod or modinfo are not enough ?
[01:17] <|QuaD-> nakee: well if you have a preference, chances are you would prefer to have that one, therefore people who want kubuntu like ubuntu but want kde
[01:17] <esher> not for me ogra :D
[01:17] <nakee> |QuaD-: but why not have both in ubuntu?
[01:17] <nakee> |QuaD-: why do you need to create a sub dist ?
[01:17] <|QuaD-> nakee: waste of space, we don't need both
[01:17] <esher> so, what can i use to install from source ?
[01:17] <ogra> nakee: you couldnt pay the manpower
[01:17] <esher> unstable/testing ?
[01:18] <nakee> ogra: they are doing the job anyhow, what's the diffrance?
[01:18] <ogra> esher: all debian packages are in ubuntu
[01:18] <kark> hey
[01:18] <esher> but modconf not ?!
[01:18] <|QuaD-> nakee: i think they should just develop on kde :)
[01:18] <crimsun> esher: modconf is unnecessary given Ubuntu's use of udev and hotplug.
[01:19] <kark> hey, i have a question with my fstab
[01:19] <esher> modconf issen simple, you can add and remove modules
[01:19] <esher> its badly that this nice tool will not be supportet from ubuntu
[01:20] <nakee> |QuaD-: I prefer variaty of 4-5 diffrent desktop like xfce enlightenment kde gnome and maybe something simple like blackbox or so
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> esher: simple for YOU
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> simple for m
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> me
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> not simple for my grandmother
[01:20] <ogra> nakee: the aim of canonical (the comp behind ubuntu) is to offer professional support ..... this limits the amount of packages to the available manpower
[01:20] <|QuaD-> nakee: then ubuntu probably isn't for you
[01:20] <kark> i added a line to mount my windows harddrive(sata)... when booting it says there is no such device, though when i restart the fstab after the machine has booted it mounts fine.
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> nakee: ubuntu isn't about offering hundred of choices, it's about making those choices and then making them work
[01:21] <ogra> nakee: its all in universe.... just not actively supported by the core maintainers
[01:21] <nakee> ogra: I don't think it's bad if part of the packages would be officialy supported nd part would be supported by valuntires maintainers like they are on debian
[01:21] <ogra> nakee: but everyone is free to send in patches or enhancements for such packages
[01:21] <ogra> nakee: thats the plan :)
[01:22] <crimsun> nakee: Ubuntu members are different from their Debian counterparts
[01:22] <crimsun> nakee: the aim is very different (and rightly so, imo)
[01:24] <nakee> ogra: that's like giving more priority to certain packages and only maintainer support to others
[01:24] <nakee> ogra: if that what ubuntu is doing then great
[01:26] <mako> TongMaster: yeah
[01:27] <esher> them any1 can tellme how i can simple add much ip netfilter options modules ?
[01:28] <TongMaster> heya, I commented it to you instead. thought you might be asleep
[01:28] <Se7h> question
[01:28] <esher> about 20 modules i need
[01:28] <Se7h> does anyone uses speedtouch 330 to connect to internet?
[01:28] <bob2> esher: which one is missing?
[01:28] <Se7h> a friend of mine can't install it
[01:29] <TongMaster> The word you want for for potted pot plants, mako, is homegrown.
[01:29] <TongMaster> bob2 out to have known that.
[01:31] <esher> connection tracking, ftp protocal support ,irc protocol support, ip tables support, limit match support, mac adress support, packet type match support, netfilter MARK match support, multiple port match support, TOS match support, LENGTH match support, TTL match support, tcpmss match support, Connection state match support, Connection tracking match support, Unclean match support, Packet filtering, Full NAT, MASQUERADE target support, REDIRECT tar
[01:31] <esher> get support, Packet mangling, TOS target support, MARK targer support, LOG target support, TCPMSS target support
[01:31] <esher> that all
[01:31] <bob2> I'm pretty sure they're all part of the default kernel
[01:32] <esher> yo, but not loaded
[01:33] <bob2> esher: modprobe name_of_module
[01:33] <spikeb> ahhh, warty + backports is very nice.
[01:33] <ogra> esher: on a normal desktop install you wont need any of them
[01:33] <spikeb> well, warty is nice enough by itself heh
[01:33] <esher> hehe ok, but how i can know real module name for modprobe ?
[01:33] <ogra> esher: thats why they are not loaded
[01:34] <esher> ogra, ive used this not as desktop os
[01:34] <spikeb> why not?>
[01:34] <spikeb> heh
[01:34] <ogra> esher: its not only desktop.....
[01:34] <ogra> esher: ...but many defaults are :)
[01:35] <esher> iam not default hehe
[01:35] <virtex> fglrx won't enable AGP on my 9600xt so i don't get any 3D HW acceleration... anyone know how to fix this ???? =(
[01:36] <ogra> esher: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-686/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/
[01:36] <ogra> esher: add what you need to /etc/modules (without the .ko)
[01:36] <s0cks> ogra : You working on Hoary?
[01:36] <ogra> s0cks: nope
[01:37] <esher> aa thanx matre
[01:37] <esher> -r
[01:37] <s0cks> ogra : What exactly did you do during the conference?
[01:37] <ogra> s0cks: i work on warty..... but got a hoary box ....
[01:37] <s0cks> :P
[01:37] <s0cks> ogra : Right. How is hoary looking as far as stability, efficiancy, etc.
[01:38] <ogra> s0cks: like a dev system....*g*
[01:39] <ogra> s0cks: but the upcoming improvements will be awsome.....thats what i looked at at the conference mostly.....
[01:39] <esher> load modconf modulename this module permanent ?
[01:39] <ogra> esher: modprobe
[01:39] <esher> aaa sry, modprobe i mean
[01:39] <ogra> esher: nope, you have to add the modulename to /etc/modules
[01:39] <esher> load this command this module "for ever"
[01:39] <esher> okay
[01:39] <esher> thx
[01:40] <Se7h> how can i install my creative webcam usb ?
[01:40] <ogra> esher: then it gets loaded on boot :)
[02:19] <esher`> ohhhh oppless here :/
[02:20] <|QuaD-> isn't it usually?
[02:20] <g1powermac> Hi All
[02:20] <|QuaD-> hi
[02:20] <Se7h> how can i install my creative webcam usb ?
[02:21] <|QuaD-> Se7h: plug it in?
[02:21] <|QuaD-> i don't have a webcam
[02:21] <g1powermac> I have a linksys usb wireless ethernet adapter (wusb12), and when I plug it into a usb port, I notice in the dmesg that prism drivers are loaded, but ifconfig and iwconfig don't show it
[02:22] <g1powermac> any idea on how to configure it?
[02:23] <Se7h> |QuaD- no good lol
[02:24] <|QuaD-> Se7h: did you read the dmesg?
[02:27] <g1powermac> anyone?
[02:28] <woofman> hey you. i'm trying hard to create deb files for R 2.0.1. How is that possible?  N
[02:28] <woofman> Make-install is easy,
[02:28] <woofman> But creating a deb file is a pain in the ****
[02:30] <TheMuso> woofman: Have you checked whether there is a source package for it in Debian or Ubuntu sources?
[02:32] <aperson> anyone know if ubuntu can support my RAID partitions?
[02:32] <woofman> yep. last i checked it was 1.92 or something.
[02:32] <|QuaD-> woofman: what package
[02:33] <TheMuso> woofman: I suggest you download the source for the newer version, and get the source package from the Debian/Ubuntu sources, and use that as a base.
[02:34] <Grexo2> wow
[02:34] <|QuaD-> ?
[02:34] <Marjo> How do I update the menus in Gnome after installing applications?
[02:34] <Grexo2> got my ubuntu cds today
[02:34] <Grexo2> nicely designed
[02:34] <woofman> quad: r-base (1.9.1) was the last i checked. i downloaded the last version. compiled it and all is sweet on my part. i'm trying to make deb-package for my friends, but i cant seem to make it work
[02:34] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: when did you order them?
[02:34] <Grexo2> shipped from switzerland too priority
[02:34] <Grexo2> expensive stuff :P
[02:34] <Grexo2> quad:  Dunno
[02:35] <Grexo2> maybe 3 -4 weeks
[02:35] <Grexo2> ago
[02:35] <|QuaD-> so mine should have came today (i didn't check mail yet)
[02:35] <Grexo2> someone stole my nick and identity
[02:35] <|QuaD-> when you go to shipit page, what does it say?
[02:35] <Grexo2> lol
[02:35] <Grexo2> quad:  Shipped
[02:35] <|QuaD-> damn, mine doesn't
[02:36] <Grexo2> quad:  it gives a date and says it was shipped
[02:36] <|QuaD-> where????
[02:36] <Grexo2> ?
[02:36] <|QuaD-> mine just brings me to the update page
[02:36] <Grexo2> quad:  Hold on
[02:37] <Grexo2> CD Mailing History
[02:37] <Grexo2> then it gives a date of dec 6th
[02:37] <|QuaD-> where is that?
[02:37] <|QuaD-> would it take me there if i login if mine shipped?
[02:37] <Grexo2> User Info
[02:38] <Grexo2> when u login with your username and password
[02:38] <cef> hrm.. what's a good cd copy program?
[02:38] <Grexo2> yours didnt ship yet
[02:38] <Grexo2> if u dont have it
[02:38] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: :(
[02:38] <Grexo2> it only gives that info if it shipped
[02:38] <|QuaD-> i ordered before dec 6th though!
[02:38] <Grexo2> quad : Dec6th is when it shipped
[02:38] <Grexo2> i ordered in nov
[02:39] <|QuaD-> i ordered like mid nov
[02:39] <|QuaD-> yeah
[02:39] <Grexo2> quad:  I think i ordered a few days after the deadline
[02:39] <Grexo2> the original deadline
[02:39] <davideC> hello does anyone knows how to configurate a scanner?
[02:39] <woofman> ey bitches. burn the goddamn iso, it'll cost you max $0.3
[02:39] <woofman> cheapskates
[02:39] <cef> plus the iso download
[02:40] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: i have no idea when i ordered
[02:40] <|QuaD-> in regards to that
[02:40] <woofman> your time worth much cef?
[02:40] <woofman> :)
[02:40] <Grexo2> quad:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/
[02:40] <cef> woofman: no, but my bandwidth is
[02:40] <Grexo2> quad:  Mine only changed to shipped a few days ago
[02:40] <Grexo2> even though it says dec 6th
[02:40] <cef> woofman: charged per meg here in aus
[02:40] <Grexo2> and i received it in the mail today
[02:40] <cef> woofman: and that's the norm pretty much
[02:41] <woofman> heh. sorry cef. not the norm here in scandinavia
[02:41] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: i believe i ordered before the 20th
[02:41] <|QuaD-> how can i find out?
[02:41] <cef> woofman: also, in my case, I've ordered a few hundred so I can give them away to a usergroup and some friends, etc
[02:41] <Grexo2> quad it doesnt matter
[02:41] <Grexo2> just wait a week
[02:41] <Grexo2> quad:  Read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/
[02:42] <cef> well, 220 from memory
[02:42] <woofman> cef: sweet
[02:42] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: i read... what am i reading for?
[02:42] <cef> still need something to burn cd to cd though.. *sigh*
[02:42] <Grexo2> quad i think i may have ordered in october actually
[02:42] <Grexo2> time goes by quickly
[02:43] <davideC> anybody knows how to configurate a scanner??? if i use xsane it tells me no device
[02:43] <Grexo2> quad it took a long time :)
[02:43] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: i didn't order until nov
[02:43] <|QuaD-> i thought before the 20th
[02:43] <Grexo2> Shipment 2: We have shipped CDs to everyone gave us full and mailable shipping information before November 20th. People with incomplete or unusable information have been or will be contacted.
[02:43] <Grexo2> This batch started leaving the warehouse on December 8, 2004.
[02:43] <Grexo2> since it says dec 6th it stands to reason it was a late batch of the october ones
[02:44] <|QuaD-> what do you mean?
[02:44] <Grexo2> nevermind
[02:44] <|QuaD-> heh
[02:44] <Grexo2> just wait a few more weeks
[02:44] <|QuaD-> oh well, i will get them soon
[02:44] <Grexo2> quad:  Can u burn it?
[02:44] <Grexo2> i had a burnt copy already
[02:44] <woofman> ugh. i'm bored. i need a soulmate. anyone read pratchett lately?
[02:44] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: already burned
[02:44] <|QuaD-> been running for a while
[02:44] <|QuaD-> i want to distribute
[02:44] <Grexo2> quad kewl
[02:45] <Grexo2> quad:  i use the gnoppix livecd cause its newer date
[02:45] <|QuaD-> newer date?
[02:45] <Grexo2> the 2 projects are the same now
[02:45] <Grexo2> yeah newer release date
[02:45] <|QuaD-> gnoppix is now ubuntu?
[02:45] <Grexo2> i dont know if there are any differences
[02:45] <Grexo2> yep
[02:46] <cef> well mine supposedly left on the 8th of Nov.. but still not here
[02:46] <Grexo2> The Gnoppix project proudly presents the release update release of version 0.8.2 of the Gnoppix linux live cd. 0.8.2 comes with the develop efforts of UbuntuLinux.
[02:46] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: interesting.... i don't use live cds
[02:46] <wasabi> What makes it beter than ubuntu's livecd?
[02:46] <|QuaD-> wasabi: he just said newer
[02:46] <wasabi> ...
[02:46] <wasabi> k.
[02:47] <Grexo2> wasabi its prolly the same thing for all i know
[02:47] <Grexo2> wasabi it just has a newer date for the iso
[02:47] <Grexo2> wasabi
[02:47] <Grexo2> they had 2 versions based on ubuntu
[02:47] <Grexo2> it may be a tad different tho
[02:47] <Grexo2> i dont know
[02:47] <Grexo2> ubuntu is prolly better to use tho
[02:48] <Grexo2> heh
[02:48] <|QuaD-> I HATE the programming language nesC
[02:48] <|QuaD-> it is the worst
[02:48] <Grexo2> i have an issue with installing linux
[02:48] <Grexo2> maybe someone can help me
[02:48] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: whats up
[02:49] <Grexo2> it seems as though windows xp has a problem cause i have 2 mbrs
[02:49] <Grexo2> does full format delete existing mbr?
[02:49] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: it should i believe
[02:49] <Grexo2> ok
[02:49] <|QuaD-> you sure you have 2? not just one overwriting the other?
[02:49] <Grexo2> quad:  i created a new mbr to load off the 2nd hd
[02:50] <Grexo2> with linux
[02:50] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: is that possible?
[02:50] <Grexo2> i should have used the one on the 1st right?
[02:50] <Grexo2> yes
[02:50] <Grexo2> u can choose the drive when u install
[02:50] <Grexo2> for the mbr
[02:50] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: i think the MBR is only on the primary hd
[02:50] <Grexo2> quad:  u can have the mbr on both if u create it on the 2nd
[02:50] <Grexo2> it f0cks up windows
[02:50] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: ok, never tried
[02:50] <Grexo2> quad can i use ntbootloader instead of grub tho?
[02:51] <Grexo2> or is grub better?
[02:51] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: i don't believe so
[02:51] <|QuaD-> use grub
[02:51] <|QuaD-> why not just remove win?
[02:51] <Grexo2> cause i need it for apps
[02:51] <Grexo2> remove win?
[02:51] <Grexo2> cant
[02:51] <Grexo2> i need it
[02:51] <|QuaD-> what apps
[02:51] <|QuaD-> i will find you linux alternative
[02:51] <|QuaD-> s
[02:51] <Grexo2> ms word, quicken, etc...
[02:51] <mojo> sif sif, I still wait for my CD, it seems never come
[02:52] <Grexo2> and autocad
[02:52] <Grexo2> etc...
[02:52] <cef> I'm getting really sick of trying to burn cd's under linux
[02:52] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: msword=> autocad
[02:52] <Grexo2> ?
[02:52] <|QuaD-> quicken=>gnucash
[02:52] <|QuaD-> grr
[02:52] <|QuaD-> msword => OOo
[02:52] <spikeb> er
[02:52] <|QuaD-> autocad=> i forget the name
[02:52] <mojo> Grexo2: not all app are good compare to win one
[02:52] <Se7h> oh good
[02:52] <spikeb> gnucash....
[02:52] <spikeb> heh
[02:52] <Grexo2> mojo:  I need windows, enuff said
[02:52] <spikeb> not even gonna say it
[02:52] <Grexo2> i need both
[02:52] <Se7h> my creative nx is in the device manager
[02:52] <Se7h> LOL
[02:52] <mojo> Grexo2: sometime the company doesn;t care about Linux, they only care about the outcome
[02:53] <|QuaD-> Grexo2: qcad=autocad
[02:53] <spikeb> you can use ntloader to boot linux, yes. i dont remember how though
[02:53] <Grexo2> spikeb which is better tho?
[02:53] <mojo> qcad? ha! that's the most shit CAD i've ever used
[02:53] <spikeb> you can use grub to boot nt/xp too
[02:53] <mojo> autocad is still the best
[02:53] <spikeb> Grexo2, i don't know - i use grub cuz it's what i know
[02:53] <|QuaD-> mojo: is there a linux version
[02:53] <mojo> no, only way is to use Wine, but it's not as good as native WIn
[02:54] <mojo> AutoCAD R14 runs well on Wine
[02:54] <|QuaD-> mojo: then by default autoacad sucks
[02:54] <mojo> oh yeah
[02:54] <mojo> there is some special CAD program
[02:54] <mojo> but only run on UNIX
[02:54] <mojo> like IntoCAD
[02:54] <|QuaD-> there are linux cirucit cad programs (to design circuits)
[02:54] <mojo> or RotateX
[02:54] <mojo> ...I don't know any good one
[02:55] <mojo> the best still Protel
[02:55] <mojo> on Windows
[02:55] <mojo> Protel 2004
[02:55] <cheatersrealm2> what fun stuff can I do on my ubuntu box?
[02:55] <cheatersrealm2> I'm not very concerned with messing it up
[02:55] <|QuaD-> cheatersrealm2: there is a list
[02:55] <|QuaD-> rm -fR /
[02:55] <cheatersrealm2> heh
[02:55] <mojo> cheaterrealsm2: play game, install WineX, play World of WarCraft
[02:55] <|QuaD-> (don't really do that0
[02:55] <spikeb> you can upgrade to hoary, play some games, screw it up
[02:55] <cheatersrealm2> that's jsut for destruction
[02:55] <spikeb> use universe extensively
[02:55] <spikeb> (heh)
[02:56] <cef> ok, so can someone actually walk me thru getting cdrecord working with hoary?
[02:56] <cheatersrealm2> what do I need to do to upgrade to hoary?
[02:56] <|QuaD-> cheatersrealm2: upgrade to hoary, apt-get kde
[02:56] <cheatersrealm2> (link me)
[02:56] <|QuaD-> and just start adding programs till it breaks
[02:56] <spikeb> CheatersRealm, change all references in synaptic from warty to hoary
[02:56] <cef> because I get no where.. -scanbus fails, and passing dev=ata as well just makes it loop trying /dev/hda (my h/drive) and then it errors out
[02:56] <spikeb> then refresh, upgrade, reboot
[02:56] <cheatersrealm2> synaptic.conf?
[02:56] <spikeb> cef, i've had that problem forever
[02:57] <spikeb> CheatersRealm, no, /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:57] <spikeb> if you want to do it by hand
[02:57] <cheatersrealm2> k, thx
[02:57] <martin_> the manuals.
[02:57] <cef> spikeb: yeah and how'd you get around it? or haven't you? cos if I can't do this, I'll just have to go back to debian
[02:57] <martin_> they are taking over my mind!!!
[02:57] <Grexo2> b. Create a Linux boot disk. For now, this will be your only way of booting up to Linux.
[02:57] <Grexo2> ok i got instructions on using nt bootloader
[02:58] <Grexo2> however
[02:58] <Grexo2> can i boot via install cd?
[02:58] <spikeb> cef, well, the programs that use cdrecord work fine, just cdrecord directly doesnt work for me (niether do many other versions in other distros)
[02:58] <cef> spikeb: which programs in particular?
[02:58] <spikeb> cef, so i just use nautilus-cd-burner or k3b
[02:58] <Grexo2> let me try using grub again
[02:58] <cheatersrealm2> time to upgrade to hoary :)
[02:58] <cef> ahh k3b.. which has issues (apart from being kde)
[02:59] <cef> anything else?
[02:59] <spikeb> i use nautilus cd burner on warty
[02:59] <spikeb> that's it
[02:59] <cheatersrealm2> I have to reboot to get hoary up? that's lame :-P
[02:59] <|QuaD-> cheatersrealm2: does this look like a microkernel?
[02:59] <cef> spikeb: unfortunately it doesn't copy cd's.. it burns iso's and makes data disks, but it doesn't 'copy' from one device to another
[03:00] <spikeb> hmm
[03:00] <cef> even if I could just 'rip to iso' that'd be a start
[03:00] <spikeb> i hope that's on the feature list heh
[03:01] <cef> spikeb: well it's a sort of show stopper for my machine..
[03:01] <cheatersrealm2> |QuaD- maybe :-P
[03:01] <Grexo2> any of u install ubuntu on a computer with 2 hds?
[03:01] <Grexo2> and windows on the 1st hd
[03:02] <Grexo2> i want to know the best way to install ubuntu
[03:02] <cheatersrealm2> Grexo2, windows install first, then ubuntu
[03:02] <Grexo2> i have windows xp
[03:02] <Grexo2> on the 1st hd
[03:02] <|QuaD-> cheatersrealm2: it isn't
[03:02] <Grexo2> already installed
[03:02] <cheatersrealm2> |QuaD- I know
[03:02] <Grexo2> cheatersrealm2:  now how do i install ubuntu?  using grub on mbr?
[03:03] <Grexo2> on the 1st or 2nd hd
[03:03] <cheatersrealm2> I would think 1st
[03:03] <cheatersrealm2> grub can boot windows
[03:03] <Grexo2> cheatersrealm2 u sure?
[03:03] <Grexo2> i mean about the 1st
[03:03] <cheatersrealm2> make sure with someone else
[03:03] <cef> spikeb: and while I can use xcdroast on debian, it doesn't seem to work (for me) on ubuntu
[03:03] <cheatersrealm2> but I'm fairly confident
[03:03] <Grexo2> anyone?
[03:03] <cheatersrealm2> I've never done it myself, but I've read that
[03:03] <Grexo2> cheatersrealm2:  It can boot with boot or grub
[03:03] <Grexo2> i think boot means u need a bootdisk right?
[03:04] <cheatersrealm2> Grexo2, http://www.linuxforums.org/tutorials/grub-multiboot-howto/Multiboot-with-GRUB-2.html
[03:05] <Grexo2> im confused
[03:06] <Grexo2> the ubuntu installer supposedly does all that for u
[03:06] <cheatersrealm2> well then just put it on hda1
[03:06] <spikeb> it should
[03:06] <cheatersrealm2> or if you're really concerned
[03:06] <cheatersrealm2> put it on hdb1
[03:07] <cheatersrealm2> and then set that to boot
[03:07] <Grexo2> cheatersrealm2 i dont want my partition to get messed up
[03:07] <cheatersrealm2> and then futz with grub
[03:07] <Grexo2> i had to reinstall windows cause it f0cked my boot partition before
[03:07] <cheatersrealm2> that's why I don't dual boot :0
[03:07] <|QuaD-> there is no point to dual booting
[03:07] <|QuaD-> waste of space
[03:08] <cheatersrealm2> too much work to get a frickin windows os up with a linux one
[03:08] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[03:08] <cheatersrealm2> worth my time in money to just get another box
[03:08] <|QuaD-> use the os that is right for you
[03:09] <cheatersrealm2> yea
[03:09] <|QuaD-> for example, windows is right for my mother who can barely turn the computer on, but it isn't right for me
[03:09] <cheatersrealm2> heh
[03:09] <cheatersrealm2> I put my mom on fedora
[03:09] <cheatersrealm2> my dad too
[03:09] <s0cks> isos are funn
[03:09] <|QuaD-> i wouldn't wish fedora on my worst enemy
[03:09] <spikeb> hmm
[03:09] <occy> cheatersrealm2: trying to get my Mom and Dad setup on Ubuntu.
[03:10] <cheatersrealm2> |QuaD- it's fine cuz they can't mess it up
[03:10] <|QuaD-> RPM hell
[03:10] <spikeb> is there any place to officially file suggestions for ubuntu? bugzilla isn't the right place imho
[03:10] <occy> everything else is working except for this stupid java application that is needed for my Dad's work.
[03:10] <cheatersrealm2> spikeb, a place in a forum somewhere?
[03:10] <spikeb> hmm
[03:10] <spikeb> good idea
[03:10] <cheatersrealm2> occy, what's wrong with it?
[03:10] <crimsun> occy: have you tried jre 1.5.0, for instance?
[03:10] <spikeb> I have a couple ideas :)
[03:11] <occy> crimsun: hmmm I am on 1.5.0
[03:11] <occy> err
[03:11] <occy> sorry
[03:11] <occy> I am on 1.4.2
[03:11] <cheatersrealm2> spikeb, that's how gentoo does it
[03:11] <Hikaru79> I have a Laptop with a totally busted CD-ROM drive, but I'd like to install ubuntu on it. It's currently on Windows. Is there any way to get Ubuntu installed without needing a CD?
[03:11] <cheatersrealm2> occy, what happens when you try running it?
[03:11] <cheatersrealm2> Hikaru79, can you netboot?
[03:11] <occy> cheatersrealm2: it doesn't run :)
[03:11] <cheatersrealm2> occy, does it give an error?
[03:12] <Hikaru79> CheatersRealm, netboot?
[03:12] <occy> cheatersrealm2: I can run java games just fine.  But the app appears to try and load and then just does nothing.
[03:12] <cheatersrealm2> Hikaru79, you can boot from a network device
[03:12] <Hikaru79> =O
[03:12] <occy> anyhoo.... let me try 1.5.0 if I can find the silly thing
[03:12] <cheatersrealm2> occy, it doesn't give you any error messages?
[03:12] <cheatersrealm2> Hikaru79, and if you can't do that, do you have a floppy disk?
[03:12] <Hikaru79> Yeah, I have a floppy
[03:12] <Hikaru79> How can I get Ubuntu from a floppy though?
[03:13] <cheatersrealm2> you might have a really hard time
[03:13] <cheatersrealm2> but I think you can load a system slowly from floppies
[03:13] <occy> cheatersrealm2: no, but I've verified under Windows with IE6 and Firefox that the particular web java app does indeed work.
[03:13] <Hikaru79> Do I have to split up the install CD over like 999999 floppies? x_X
[03:13] <Hikaru79> I have an external USB drive. Is it possible to do anything with that?
[03:13] <Hikaru79> By drive, I mean hard drive
[03:13] <spikeb> CheatersRealm2 thanks for the suggestion
[03:13] <cheatersrealm2> Hikaru79, yes
[03:13] <Hikaru79> =O How?
[03:13] <cheatersrealm2> Hikaru79, that's probably how you're gonna have to do it
[03:13] <occy> crimsun: any ideas on a url for 1.5.0?   The java.sun.com site is a nightmare
[03:14] <cheatersrealm2> can you boot from that device?
[03:14] <Hikaru79> It's a 20GB drive, am I going to have to delete everything else on it?
[03:14] <Hikaru79> I don't see why not.
[03:14] <crimsun> occy: sec.
[03:14] <cheatersrealm2> well, either that
[03:14] <occy> crimsun: k bud
[03:14] <cheatersrealm2> or you can get a small floppy distro
[03:14] <cheatersrealm2> and then mount that image
[03:14] <cheatersrealm2> and then chroot
[03:14] <cheatersrealm2> that should work
[03:14] <billytwowilly> damnit. Who turned on grouped tabs in hoary?
[03:14] <Freakwitch> is anyone out there using Rhythmbox?
[03:14] <crimsun> occy: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp and choose JRE 5.0 Update 1
[03:14] <billytwowilly> and how do I turn them off?
[03:14] <s0cks> aperson is downloading the iso on 56 k
[03:14] <cheatersrealm2> billytwowilly, in what app?
[03:14] <s0cks> :-D
[03:14] <cheatersrealm2> nice
[03:14] <billytwowilly> CheatersRealm, the taskbar
[03:15] <spikeb> Freakwitch, i use it
[03:15] <cheatersrealm2> are you kidding me?  I need to know how to turn it off then.. I'm upgrading to hoary now
[03:15] <cheatersrealm2> lol
[03:15] <spikeb> billytwowilly, right click on the windowlist border, and select properties
[03:15] <spikeb> you can change it there
[03:15] <Freakwitch> spikeb: every time I try to import my library, it freezes and maxes out my cpu. I read somewhere that it doesn't like .jpg or other files, so I cleared everything out, but it still does it
[03:15] <spikeb> hmm
[03:15] <spikeb> Freakwitch, i haven't had that problem. How large is your hard drive?
[03:15] <billytwowilly> it wasn't there until today.
[03:15] <spikeb> er
[03:16] <spikeb> Freakwitch, library, i mean
[03:16] <Freakwitch> I've wanted to like and use this app for months (Rhythmbox), but it has never been stable
[03:16] <billytwowilly> spikeb, Thanks. So where do I file a complaint about it, because it's a dumb feature.
[03:16] <Freakwitch> right now, on this laptop, maybe 2gig max
[03:16] <spikeb> billytwowilly, i have no idea, perhaps file a bug?
[03:16] <billytwowilly> perhaps I will.
[03:16] <billytwowilly> Thanks
[03:16] <occy> crimsun: got it :)
[03:16] <occy> funkadylic
[03:16] <spikeb> Freakwitch, well I haven't had that problem, sounds like a bug :(
[03:16] <occy> crimsun: did you check out my bands site?
[03:17] <spikeb> billytwowilly, you're welcome, and good idea - i hate it too
[03:17] <crimsun> occy: haven't had time, sorry. I've been working on syllabi.
[03:17] <Freakwitch> well, it seems like a well-dcumented bug. I can't believe that such an important app would have such a basic bug in it
[03:17] <occy> crimsun: ahh, no worries mate.
[03:17] <cheatersrealm2> 25 mins till I'm done dl hoary
[03:17] <cheatersrealm2> I'll bbiab
[03:17] <spikeb> Freakwitch, yeah it's fairly well complained about, but it might not be fixed except in the CVS versions of rhythmbox
[03:18] <Freakwitch> I have high hopes for rhythmbox, but it seems to me that they have lots of stuff to iron out
[03:18] <spikeb> Freakwitch, hopefully they put out a new release soon (they're also working on audio burning)
[03:18] <Freakwitch> so I'll just wait over here with my crappy gtk1 UI for xmms....
[03:18] <occy> that way they can be windows free
[03:18] <spikeb> Freakwitch, there is another solution - you could try muine
[03:18] <Freakwitch> I've really enjoyed ubuntu thus far
[03:18] <Freakwitch> what is muine?
[03:18] <Freakwitch> is it in the repositories?
[03:18] <spikeb> Freakwitch, http://muine.gooeylinux.org/
[03:18] <occy> Freakwitch: yah, I've used just about every distro out there, and ubuntu is nice.
[03:19] <spikeb> Freakwitch, it's in one of the unofficial repos - i can get you a link
[03:19] <occy> heh
[03:19] <spikeb> Freakwitch, here is a URL with more info - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[03:20] <Freakwitch> thanks, spikeb
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> occy, i have an 7500
[03:20] <spikeb> you're welcome.
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> what gives?
[03:20] <spikeb> muine's user interface is pretty neat.
[03:20] <spikeb> different, but neat.
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> and have Ubntu on it
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu...
[03:20] <occy> nomasteryoda: really?  I thought you had something else dude
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> now i do
[03:21] <occy> nomasteryoda: whatchotalkin'boutwillis
[03:21] <occy> :)
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> but i also have that one too
[03:21] <spikeb> anyone here interested in a firefox theme that makes FF blend in even nicer with the rest of the desktop?
[03:21] <occy> nomasteryoda: hmmm, let me fix this other lappie first.
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> just added kde to the old 7500 last night
[03:21] <occy> and then I'll worry about the one I'm on now.
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> k
[03:21] <spikeb> here's a screenie of it http://linuxart.com/wordpress/wp-content/firefox-screenshot.png
[03:22] <spikeb> Freakwitch, i recommend enabling at least the backports repository, it's quite nice and stable for me :)
[03:22] <crimsun> occy: gotta do a bit of manual rearranging with the symlink and $PATH, too
[03:23] <Freakwitch> cool, thanks for the advice
[03:23] <Freakwitch> that's the one with muine in it, right?
[03:23] <Freakwitch> So if I upgrade to firefox 1.0 it works well?
[03:23] <Grexo> ok im back
[03:24] <Grexo> ubuntu installer doesnt allow you to format partitions?
[03:24] <occy> crimsun: yeah?
[03:24] <spikeb> Freakwitch, muine is in a different repo - markus'. firefox 1.0  backport works great for me
[03:24] <Grexo> i repartitioned my 2nd hd in ubuntu but then it started to install the files
[03:24] <Grexo> i want to fully format my 2nd partition BEFORE it installs
[03:24] <Grexo> how do i do this?
[03:24] <spikeb> wierd - it should be smart enough to do that
[03:24] <Grexo> low level format i mean
[03:25] <Freakwitch> spikeb, that's a nice firefox theme
[03:26] <spikeb> Freakwitch, yes it is - i like it :) wish i could take credit for making it.
[03:26] <spikeb> you can get it here http://primates.ximian.com/~glesage/stuff/firefox/
[03:26] <LucaBrasi> fresh install of ubuntu .. when gnome loads the display is completely messed up. Any ideas??
[03:26] <spikeb> LucaBrasi, misconfigured X
[03:26] <spikeb> (silly dexconf)
[03:27] <LucaBrasi> well
[03:27] <cef> ok this is getting annoying
[03:27] <LucaBrasi> if it's misconfigured it's bcause ubuntu did it
[03:27] <LucaBrasi> cause all it asked me for was the resolution
[03:27] <cef> I've got a combo data/audio cd, and every time I put it in my machine, the drive locks and I have to reboot
[03:27] <occy> crimsun: oh, right.  Sorry, I catch you now.
[03:28] <LucaBrasi> how can I run dexconf??
[03:28] <spikeb> yes
[03:28] <spikeb> hmm
[03:28] <spikeb> LucaBrasi, press control alt f1, login, and then type sudo dexconf
[03:28] <V1pr3X> hello
[03:29] <spikeb> im not sure if that'll fix it, though
[03:29] <spikeb> im out of my element here
[03:29] <spikeb> hi V1pr3X
[03:29] <Freakwitch> spikeb: isn't there a way to view packages by repository within synaptic?
[03:29] <spikeb> hmm
[03:29] <spikeb> Freakwitch, lemme see
[03:29] <LucaBrasi> spikeb ctrl+alt+f1 doesnt do a thing
[03:29] <spikeb> LucaBrasi, wierd. it should switch to a console
[03:29] <LucaBrasi> actually it does now
[03:29] <LucaBrasi> hm
[03:29] <LucaBrasi> sec
[03:30] <V1pr3X> I'm trying out an Ubuntu install on a new computer for my sister for christmas. Looks like a pretty decent distro you guys have put together here
[03:30] <spikeb> Freakwitch, i dont see  a way
[03:30] <spikeb> if you browse by sections, it lets you see if it's in universe, restricted, multiverse, etc
[03:30] <spikeb> but thats all i see
[03:30] <LucaBrasi> well when I run sudo dexconf it asks for the (root?) password
[03:31] <LucaBrasi> but then .. ubuntu didnt ask me to set a friggin root pass during install
[03:31] <spikeb> LucaBrasi, no it's asking for your password
[03:31] <Freakwitch> spikeb: ok, thanks
[03:31] <LucaBrasi> oh ok
[03:31] <LucaBrasi> so um why does dexconf not do anything? I'm still just at the terminal
[03:31] <spikeb> V1pr3X, i agree
[03:31] <spikeb> hmm
[03:31] <spikeb> LucaBrasi, no idea heh
[03:32] <spikeb> LucaBrasi, try pressing control alt f7 and see if its fixed
[03:32] <makhand> does anyone know when ubuntu is going to update their openoffice? since 1.1.4 is now out
[03:32] <V1pr3X> so anyhow, my sister is into media editing and such. I'm trying to find a package that will let her edit videos. Does such a beast exist?
[03:32] <spikeb> makhand, when hoary comes out, there will be a new version
[03:32] <makhand> spikeb, is there a scheduled time for that
[03:33] <spikeb> makhand, yes - march i believe
[03:33] <makhand> ok. thanks
[03:33] <V1pr3X> makhand- on the webpage it lists that they're committed to each release in march and october
[03:33] <spikeb> V1pr3X, you could compile one
[03:34] <V1pr3X> do you happen to know of any good ones?
[03:34] <spikeb> sure take a look at this - http://gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=94
[03:34] <Freakwitch> not bad, 363kB/s bandwidth from ubuntu servers....
[03:34] <makhand> V1pr3X, the reason I ask is because i noticed that between my install and now, firefox, thunderbird, gaim, etc have been updated. I was wondering if that was going to happen with openoffice
[03:35] <V1pr3X> thanks
[03:35] <spikeb> Freakwitch, yeah i get pretty good bandwidth from archive. ubuntu.com
[03:35] <LucaBrasi> how can I check if/why my frigging file system is mounted READ ONLY ???
[03:35] <spikeb> V1pr3X, no problem
[03:35] <spikeb> makhand, only security updates, if i remember right
[03:36] <xhaker> hi all
[03:36] <spikeb> V1pr3X, my sister is going to dual boot ubuntu and OSX :)
[03:37] <Dekkard> on which  apple?
[03:37] <V1pr3X> dualboot ubuntu and OSX? interesting
[03:37] <spikeb> Dekkard, an emac
[03:37] <Dekkard> k
[03:37] <LucaBrasi> ubuntu is a buggy piece of crap
[03:38] <LucaBrasi> can't even install properly
[03:38] <Dekkard> ive heard they dont have apples built in wifi card working yet under ubuntu
[03:38] <spikeb> Dekkard, not the new airport extreme stuff, no.
[03:38] <|QuaD-> LucaBrasi: installed fine here
[03:38] <spikeb> Dekkard, but regular airport works great.
[03:38] <Dekkard> i just got a 14" ibook..
[03:38] <spikeb> heh yeah
[03:38] <Dekkard> it has the extreme card..
[03:39] <Dekkard> i need to find some ifo on how to do that
[03:39] <spikeb> Dekkard, wait a while - alll sorts of problems with new apple laptops for linux
[03:39] <V1pr3X> I generally keep one computer windows for gaming purposes, then usually have one machine that's my openbsd firewall/router and usually a third machine that's my other OS box that I use for communication and browsing and such...unfortunately that one's down, although when it's back up I'll probably put ubuntu on it
[03:39] <Dekkard> i have no intention of trying it yet
[03:39] <V1pr3X> although I'm also considering Haiku, if it's bootable when I get the machine back up
[03:40] <Dekkard> i got ubuntu on my desktop..with a reely dusty win98 install..
[03:40] <Freakwitch> spikeb: no sound output from muine
[03:40] <spikeb> i have ubuntu on my desktop
[03:40] <Freakwitch> but at least it loaded my library without difficulty, that's an improvement over rhythmbox...
[03:40] <spikeb> Freakwitch, try turning up the sound using hte panel sound mixer
[03:40] <Freakwitch> yup, already did
[03:40] <spikeb> hmm
[03:40] <Dekkard> i like hoarys new menu.. hope this upgrade doesnt change it..
[03:40] <Freakwitch> the one in the panel, the one in muine, and the volume knob on my laptop are all up
[03:40] <|QuaD-> Dekkard: i was thinking that the other day
[03:41] <spikeb> Freakwitch, how bout alsamixer
[03:41] <Dekkard> heh
[03:41] <makhand> I'm looking to buy a new notebook. I dont need anything too special, just mostly easy wireless and the basics. I have desktops and other systems that can do the heavy lifting. Any suggestions on a good system with few problems?
[03:41] <Dekkard> ibook
[03:41] <Dekkard> powerbook
[03:41] <spikeb> makhand, a used IBM T21
[03:41] <V1pr3X> makhand: go for something that you're comfortable with carrying around
[03:42] <|QuaD-> makhand: get one of  those ultrasmall sony's
[03:42] <makhand> spikeb, so how easy is it to go in and out of wireless networks?
[03:42] <V1pr3X> when you buy a laptop, you're buying for size and portability, so decide if you'll like carrying it
[03:42] <spikeb> makhand, not sure,. i only have one
[03:42] <V1pr3X> Quad: I have one of those ultrasmall sonys
[03:42] <V1pr3X> no one else is allowed to touch it
[03:42] <makhand> v1pr3x I definitely agree. I want something light weight. I just wan tto make sure it works ok
[03:43] <|QuaD-> V1pr3X: i want one, no $
[03:43] <V1pr3X> and it gets about 9hrs battery life : )
[03:43] <Freakwitch> spikeb: well, it should be up, I still have system sounds and xmms works fine
[03:43] <spikeb> hmm
[03:43] <spikeb> Freakwitch, sorry to hear that
[03:43] <ctd> If you get the iBooks 12" laptops.. everything works except the internal wireless.
[03:43] <makhand> wireless is key for me
[03:43] <Dekkard> and there is no pcmcia slot
[03:43] <ctd> But if you get a USB wireless dongle, it's all cool.
[03:44] <spikeb> ctd, and you can make the internal wireless work by putting in an airport card instead of having apple put an airport extreme card in it
[03:44] <ctd> spikeb: I don't think the original airport card fits in the airport extreme slot.
[03:44] <Dekkard> all new powerbooks and ibooks come loaded with airport extreme now..
[03:44] <spikeb> ctd, if it doesn't, apple's retarded
[03:44] <spikeb> which wouldnt be new
[03:45] <Freakwitch> spikeb: I don't see a muine config file anywhere in /home or /etc....
[03:45] <ctd> Well, apart from wireless.. these machines rock.
[03:45] <Dekkard> the old card doesnt do G does it..
[03:45] <spikeb> there's no .muine?
[03:45] <Freakwitch> nope
[03:45] <ctd> Dekkard: Nope
[03:45] <spikeb> hmph
[03:46] <Dekkard> well. thing is with linux.. sooner or later , it will end up working
[03:46] <cheatersrealm2> atunnel is the best screensaver ever.
[03:46] <spikeb> that's not neccessarily true on nonx86 platforms, Dekkard
[03:46] <ctd> Dekkard: As soon as someone reverse-engineers the MIPs driver. ;)
[03:46] <Dekkard> hehe..he said mips
[03:47] <ctd> Broadcom won't release a driver, or the specs for the card.
[03:47] <Dekkard> i wonder if gentoo or yellowdog have a driver...
[03:47] <V1pr3X> mips...*shudder*
[03:47] <ctd> So the MIPs driver from the WRT54G is all we have to work off.
[03:47] <cheatersrealm2> Dekkard, mips spelled backwards is spim
[03:47] <spikeb> nope, neither have a driver.
[03:48] <cheatersrealm2> does xscreensaver use 3d accel?
[03:48] <spikeb> although, it is a viable ppc distro
[03:48] <Dekkard> i deserve that
[03:48] <spikeb> CheatersRealm, yes
[03:48] <cheatersrealm2> spikeb, then why is opengl slow?
[03:48] <spikeb> CheatersRealm2 because it sucks?
[03:48] <spikeb> heh
[03:48] <cheatersrealm2> spikeb, I have a gf3
[03:48] <spikeb> hm
[03:48] <cheatersrealm2> and I can't get planetary gears to work and stuff
[03:49] <Dekkard> it may have to do with the fact that the ibook powerbook vid cards are have such freekin week vram
[03:49] <spikeb> are you using the right drivers?
[03:49] <cheatersrealm2> spikeb, the nvidia-glx ones?
[03:49] <spikeb> yeah
[03:49] <cheatersrealm2> spikeb, I'm using them, they're configured
[03:49] <cheatersrealm2> glxgears works fine
[03:49] <cheatersrealm2> like 200fps
[03:49] <cheatersrealm2> 2000*
[03:49] <spikeb> hmm
[03:49] <spikeb> i dunno what xscreensaver's problem is then
[03:49] <cheatersrealm2> damn xscreensaver.
[03:50] <cheatersrealm2> maybe I'll restart it
[03:51] <cheatersrealm2> perhaps I should have niced the apt-get upgrade my box to hoary
[03:52] <cheatersrealm2> lol
[03:52] <spikeb> i need to fix my x config
[03:52] <cheatersrealm2> time to stop messing with my box
[03:52] <cheatersrealm2> glxgears doesn't work
[03:52] <cheatersrealm2> perhaps I should wait till hoary is finished
[03:53] <cheatersrealm2> :-P
[03:53] <LucaBrasi> anyone here installed ubuntu and have an ATI card and/or LCD screen?
[03:53] <cheatersrealm2> apt-get should tell you what number it's on for setting-up such and such
[03:53] <|QuaD-> cheatersrealm2: if you can't get your xserver set up in warty, why would you download hoary?
[03:53] <cheatersrealm2> |QuaD- what do you mean? it works fine. just not right now.
[03:53] <|QuaD-> cheatersrealm2: oh ok
[03:54] <cheatersrealm2> stuff is broken right now because i'm halfway between everything
[03:54] <cheatersrealm2> like glxgeras segfaulted
[03:54] <cheatersrealm2> rebuilding the db
[03:54] <cheatersrealm2> yay
[03:54] <cheatersrealm2> almost ready to reboot
[03:54] <cheatersrealm2> bbiab
[03:54] <|QuaD-> lol
[03:55] <spikeb> brb
[03:55] <LucaBrasi> anyone here installed ubuntu and have an ATI card and/or LCD screen?
[03:57] <Freakwitch> has anyone successfully managed to get kismet running on warty?
[03:58] <|QuaD-> tonights theme seems like its wireless
[03:59] <housetier> LucaBrasi I installed ubuntu on a laptop that has a lcd display
[03:59] <|QuaD-> don't ALL laptops have lcd displays?
[03:59] <|QuaD-> i have never seen a crt laptop
[04:00] <sime> how do I review the boot msg's, all the OK's and FAIL's
[04:00] <spikeb> much better
[04:00] <LucaBrasi> housetier what sort of laptop?
[04:00] <housetier> sime "dmesg"
[04:00] <sime> housetier, its not exact, hotplug complains about somthing when booting, but i cannot find it in dmesg
[04:01] <Freakwitch> spikeb: you missed my question, so I'll ask again, has anyone gotten kismet running on warty?
[04:01] <housetier> LucaBrasi cheap noname brand
[04:01] <housetier> sime hmm you could run the hotplug scripts again to see what it spits out
[04:01] <spikeb> Freakwitch, I don't know
[04:02] <sime> housetier,  /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[04:02] <sime> ?
[04:02] <sime> just that my NIC doesn't like not having hotplug
[04:02] <housetier> sime you should add a "sudo" there but else it looks fine :)
[04:02] <sime> yeah i know sudo :)
[04:02] <spikeb> wtf
[04:03] <spikeb> why is it called wastebasket on the desktop, and trash folder on the panel?
[04:07] <sm> hello.. how do I update the panel menus when they get out of whack
[04:07] <V1pr3X> okay, so before I compile and install this media editor for my sister, where should I put it to respect file organization scheme?
[04:07] <adbak> sm: do you mean the order in which they're arranged?
[04:07] <Quest-Master> What do you guys think about Galeon VS Epiphany? (Mozilla Firefox is getting on my nerves now :()
[04:07] <sm> no, when app entries disappear from the menus
[04:08] <sm> I remember update-menus or some thing
[04:08] <V1pr3X> firefox is getting on your nerves? I've been using it since 0.5...I love it!
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> firefox rox
[04:08] <V1pr3X> anyhow, Galeon always bothered me with it's interface, but I haven't tried Epiphany
[04:08] <adbak> sm: if the app is in the Applications or Computer menus, then you can just right click on those entries and click Add to Panel.  I don't know of any update-menus
[04:09] <housetier> V1pr3X I think you have to try for yourself
[04:09] <Freakwitch> spikeb: thanks, i just upgraded firefox and gaim from the backport repository. Very cool.
[04:11] <CheatersRealm> yarr, the upgrade to hoary borked me good
[04:11] <CheatersRealm> I think I can fix it though
[04:12] <V1pr3X> so for installing this gnome app for my sister, what directory should I untar/unzip it to?
[04:12] <Quest-Master> Firefox keeps on crashing on me and getting laggy now for some reason
[04:13] <Quest-Master> I have loved it to death previously though
[04:13] <CheatersRealm> so I'm stuck
[04:13] <CheatersRealm> I can't get x back up
[04:14] <|QuaD-> CheatersRealm: lol
[04:14] <CheatersRealm> failed to load glcore, module does not exist?
[04:14] <CheatersRealm> I'm trying to use nvidia drivers
[04:14] <CheatersRealm> do I take glcore out?
[04:15] <lordan> Anybody having stability problems with OOo-1.1.3?
[04:16] <CheatersRealm> oh
[04:16] <adbak> Quest-Master: what version of java do you have for Ffx?
[04:16] <CheatersRealm> I just need to upgrade my nvidia kernel module
[04:16] <CheatersRealm> or downgrade the x hook
[04:19] <CheatersRealm> ok, so I'm stuck, how can I make sure the kernel and x driver are made for the same nvidia version?
[04:20] <macewan> wow, anyone tried xdesktopwaves?
[04:22] <CheatersRealm> lol, I figured out what it was
[04:22] <CheatersRealm> macewan, no, what does it do?
[04:22] <CheatersRealm> I had to remove nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common
[04:22] <CheatersRealm> then I get kernel 2.6.9
[04:22] <macewan> http://xdesktopwaves.sourceforge.net/screen3.jpg
[04:22] <CheatersRealm> now after I reboot, I can get nvidia stuff
[04:22] <Cloudchaser> heya..i have a hopefully quick question
[04:23] <CheatersRealm> macewan, nice, but it's small
[04:23] <Cloudchaser> if i go into the "network" it shows all the pc's on the network
[04:23] <Cloudchaser> in an article i read it says you can right click on a share and choose connect
[04:23] <Cloudchaser> but..i don't have that option and i can't look at the shares since i don't have permission
[04:23] <CheatersRealm> macewan, that's actually really neat.
[04:24] <macewan> http://www.macewan.org/screenshots/xdesktopwaves.jpg
[04:25] <macewan> turns your background into water
[04:25] <CheatersRealm> yeah
[04:25] <CheatersRealm> it reacts to windows and pointers
[04:25] <CheatersRealm> that's nice
[04:26] <CheatersRealm> brb, fixing my borked arse box
[04:26] <macewan> yes :)
[04:27] <CheatersRealm> lol
[04:27] <CheatersRealm> gotta re-install nvidia-glx
[04:27] <CheatersRealm> it got my kernel stuck at 2.6.8 when I went to hoary
[04:31] <MajesticTreeFrog> question for you guys, I went to ubuntu, and they discussed their philosophy of having things 'just work'.  My training at college was in useability and ergonomics.  So, is there an easy way for a non-programmer with my skills to help out?
[04:34] <CheatersRealm> MajesticTreeFrog, there's always a way to help
[04:34] <CheatersRealm> :)
[04:34] <MajesticTreeFrog> yay!
[04:34] <CheatersRealm> you can always submit bugs
[04:34] <CheatersRealm> and make other people fix them
[04:34] <MajesticTreeFrog> lol
[04:34] <CheatersRealm> but I'm currently busy
[04:34] <CheatersRealm> because I can't get x up
[04:34] <CheatersRealm> so bbiab
[04:35] <MajesticTreeFrog> well, thats something about anyone could do.  I was hoping I could somehow use my study of ergonomics to help with the whole 'it just works' bit.
[04:35] <MajesticTreeFrog> Thats something I have wanted linux to do for some time
[04:35] <MajesticTreeFrog> I would love to be part of making it happen.
[04:36] <srl> Hey, I'm trying to install ubuntu on a laptop with 32 MB RAM, and the installer doesn't seem to like it. Is there any way to mount a swap partition before the installer tries to run?
[04:38] <CheatersRealm> MajesticTreeFrog, open source software as a whole has a ton of usuability problems
[04:38] <CheatersRealm> MajesticTreeFrog, I'm pretty sure you can submit them as enhancements or something in bugzilla and then they should get fixed
[04:39] <MajesticTreeFrog> hmmm
[04:39] <CheatersRealm> so just look for usability problems with ubuntu itself, then submit the bugs
[04:39] <CheatersRealm> I think that's how it gets fixed..
[04:39] <MajesticTreeFrog> ok, so something along the lines of:
[04:39] <MajesticTreeFrog> Program XYZ works like (xxx), this is counter-intuitive, a more user friendly approach would be (yyy)
[04:39] <MajesticTreeFrog> ?
[04:41] <CheatersRealm> yeah, something along those lines
[04:41] <CheatersRealm> but the problem with that is, you will most likely run into problems with non-ubuntu things
[04:41] <CheatersRealm> brb, booting, it actually works now :)
[04:42] <MajesticTreeFrog> k
[04:43] <rscow> Any experience with Netgear USB wireless dongle and iBook (Warty)?
[04:43] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[04:44] <CheatersRealm> MajesticTreeFrog, I'll give you a usability problem, I can't boot x
[04:45] <CheatersRealm> it's not auto-loading my kernel module for nvidia
[04:45] <MajesticTreeFrog> well, it should.
[04:45] <da_bon_bon> hi anyone here who ordered that many CDs that canonical staff contacted them to ask why?
[04:45] <MajesticTreeFrog> no, I only ordered 3
[04:46] <s0cks> What all needs to go on the cd when I burn it? Everything with the iso?
[04:46] <da_bon_bon> well, cause i have ordered 22. will it incite canonical?
[04:47] <s0cks> The canonical staff asked me, and promptly sent them :)
[04:47] <da_bon_bon> s0cks: how many did u order?
[04:47] <s0cks> 100
[04:47] <s0cks> of each archetecture.
[04:47] <s0cks> But I had due reason.
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> s0cks: OMG, why did u need 100 cds per arch? u run a LUG?
[04:48] <Atlas> how can I change the boot loader graphic? like knoppix for example with the text scrolling in colour and a framebuffer in the top with one image...or something like that for enjoy boot time :O) ?
[04:49] <tvon|x31> its called bootsplash, and ubuntu doesnt have it yet
[04:49] <s0cks> da_bon_bon: Actually, I work at a computer store, and wanted to get people on ubuntu :)
[04:49] <Atlas> erf :s
[04:49] <Atlas> not solution?
[04:49] <da_bon_bon> s0cks: oh. so u dont think 22 will be nay problem, tight?
[04:49] <da_bon_bon> *right
[04:51] <s0cks> da_bon_bon: Depends on what you are using them for. Frisbees, probably.
[04:51] <da_bon_bon> s0cks: LOL. no, i am a member of a LUG and want to distribute them...
[04:51] <CheatersRealm> ok, so now there always seems to be a display running on display :0
[04:52] <s0cks> da_bon_bon: That aught to work.
[04:54] <lukins> anyway to get back into a gnome session that hangs?
[04:54] <Quest-Master> Darnit
[04:54] <Quest-Master> This sucks
[04:54] <Quest-Master> My Metacity is messed up
[04:54] <Quest-Master> The window border won't change for my theme
[04:55] <Quest-Master> Or any theme for that matter
[04:55] <Quest-Master> It's stuck at d3a :o
[04:55] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[04:55] <srl> Odd. I enabled swap, which let me get a bit further in the installation
[04:55] <da_bon_bon> can anyone here tell me why ubuntu is better than FC3?
[04:55] <srl> But starting up the partitioner fails at 35%
[04:55] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, it's not fc3 :)
[04:55] <bob2> try tit and see
[04:55] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, actually, it's got an easier setup
[04:55] <bob2> er, "it".
[04:56] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, if you prefer debian over redhat
[04:56] <bob2> srl: in expert mode, possibly
[04:56] <Quest-Master> Is there any way to reset Metacity?
[04:56] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, you might like the face that the ubuntu is designed to just work really easily
[04:56] <srl> bob2: What about expert mode?
[04:56] <lukins> dabon not corporate
[04:56] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, in short, try it and see :)
[04:56] <bob2> Quest-Master: 'reset'.
[04:57] <bob2> srl: for adding swap.
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> CheatersRealm: i like debian over redhat. is liveCD as good as the intall version?
[04:57] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, also we have warty and hoary as release names :)
[04:57] <bob2> srl: you're not trying to modify the swap partition at all, right?
[04:57] <bob2> da_bon_bon: no
[04:57] <srl> bob2: Right
[04:57] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, I dunno, I never try livecds to see anything about a distro, I just insatll
[04:57] <srl> bob2: I need to use it though
[04:57] <srl> bob2: Since I only have 32MB RAM
[04:57] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, are you on broadband?
[04:57] <Quest-Master> bob2: Will that ONLY reset Metacity?
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> CheatersRealm: but how do i install more than 1 disto
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> CheatersRealm: narrowband
[04:58] <bob2> srl: it would be less hassle to pull the drive if it' at all possible
[04:58] <bob2> Quest-Master: er, I forgot a question mark.  what are you trying to do?
[04:58] <Quest-Master> My window border isn't changing
[04:58] <Quest-Master> No matter what
[04:58] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, therein lies the challenge... you gotta either already have room for it on the drive or have more room somewher eI guess
[04:58] <srl> bob2: Can't, it is a small laptop
[04:58] <srl> Well, not small laptop
[04:58] <srl> But a 2.5" hd
[04:58] <Quest-Master> I even removed the theme, and the window border still remains
[04:58] <Quest-Master> For any theme I use
[04:58] <bob2> srl: they have normal IDE connections...
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> CheatersRealm: i have enough room on HD
[04:58] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, I was gonna say just install it, because it takes like 30 minutes over my dsl (90kKB/s)
[04:59] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, does it have empty space?
[04:59] <srl> bob2: Actually, I have no working desktops here :)
[04:59] <da_bon_bon> CheatersRealm: i have the install CDs. ya i can partition it to have empty space!
[04:59] <zenlunatic> Can ubuntu use debian sources.list servers for packages?
[04:59] <CheatersRealm> haha, I remove xfree86 and it automatically installs xorg
[05:00] <bob2> zenlunatic: yes, but it's strongly discouraged
[05:00] <Quest-Master> bob2: Will reset only restart Metacity then? :D
[05:00] <CheatersRealm> I would like to say that apt is a very slick and fast way of installing things. faster imo than rpm but that's purey my opinion
[05:00] <zenlunatic> bob2: Do they have their own servers? How can I have the large debian repository available to me on ubuntu?
[05:00] <bob2> Quest-Master: no
[05:00] <bob2> zenlunatic: please read the faq
[05:01] <bob2> zenlunatic: yes, of courrse ubuntu has it's own servers, 99% of sid is avaiable in a form useful for ubuntu on them
[05:01] <da_bon_bon> hey guys i have a strange problem: PLEASE PLEASE go here to read in detail. its very serious: http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15500
[05:01] <da_bon_bon> CheatersRealm: ^^^^ Pls help
[05:01] <bob2> da_bon_bon: pleae don't
[05:02] <da_bon_bon> bob2: what dont i do? link externally?
[05:02] <bob2> da_bon_bon: please don't get that far off-topic
[05:03] <da_bon_bon> bob2: its not off-topic - its a linux problem i just put it in knoppix forums coz i can explain in detail there. pls go and see
[05:03] <bob2> and please don't beg like that, it discourages people from helping you
[05:04] <bob2> if you have a question that's too long to explain on IRC, it's probably a sign you should be trying a mailing list ;)
[05:04] <lukins> is there anything you can do in hoary that you can't in warty?
[05:05] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i can expalin in detail there...
[05:05] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, I've never successfully moved a partition
[05:05] <bob2> da_bon_bon: try asking on the mailing list, you're far far far  far more likely to get help
[05:05] <CheatersRealm> gl
[05:06] <da_bon_bon> bob2: whose mailing list? knoppix? ubuntu? fedora? all have the problem.
[05:07] <bob2> da_bon_bon: pick one, and write a coherent and detailed question
[05:07] <Quest-Master> god metacity >:
[05:07] <bob2> so kill it
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok i will epxlain here. i have 2 disks - on second disk i think part. table is corrupt since i can read data off the individual partition in both win32 & lin...
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> but i cant install it says cant read part table. in /dev/hdc
[05:08] <bob2> da_bon_bon: no, NOT here
[05:08] <bob2> da_bon_bon: ask on a mailing list
[05:08] <bob2> as I said, twice
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> ok
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> ok
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> ok
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> sorry
[05:10] <CheatersRealm> anyone know why I would get a 'there appears to already be a display running on :0' when my computer boots?
[05:11] <lukins> cheater YES
[05:11] <lukins> I spent all day trying to figure that out
[05:12] <CheatersRealm> schwing
[05:12] <CheatersRealm> what's the problem?
[05:12] <lukins> ok, you updated your ubuntu to hoary
[05:12] <CheatersRealm> yes suh
[05:12] <lukins> but the problem is new ubuntu uses xorg and old uses xfree
[05:12] <CheatersRealm> yeah
[05:12] <bob2> well, hoary can use either
[05:12] <lukins> for some reason, update doesn't delet the xfree file in /etc/init.d
[05:12] <CheatersRealm> I already apt-get removed xfree and then it installed xorg
[05:13] <CheatersRealm> lukins, it's not there.
[05:13] <CheatersRealm> lukins, wait, it's /etc/init.d/xfree86 right?
[05:13] <lukins> yes
[05:13] <bob2> it's an init script
[05:13] <CheatersRealm> yeah, it's gone
[05:13] <bob2> it won't be removed when you delete a package, only when you purge it
[05:14] <lukins> hmm, the way i solved was this, because i was pulling my hair out
[05:14] <CheatersRealm> nooo :(
[05:14] <lukins> install cd... expert mode... base install
[05:14] <CheatersRealm> no.
[05:14] <CheatersRealm> lol
[05:14] <lukins> change sources list to hoary and apt-upgrade
[05:14] <lukins> took HOURS but it worked
[05:14] <CheatersRealm> I can figure this out
[05:14] <lukins> have you /etc/init.d/gdm stop ?
[05:15] <billytwowilly> Took hours? Are you on dialup?
[05:15] <bob2> CheatersRealm: does purging 'xserver-xfree86' fix it?
[05:15] <lukins> the install onto hardrive
[05:15] <bob2> you really don't need to reinstall
[05:16] <lukins> bob are you sayint apt-get purge xfree
[05:16] <bob2> no
[05:16] <bob2> 14:15:07           bob2 | CheatersRealm: does purging 'xserver-xfree86' fix it?
[05:16] <bob2> there's a few different ways to purge it
[05:17] <CheatersRealm> how do you purge?
[05:17] <bob2> how do you install packages?
[05:17] <CheatersRealm> sudo apt-get install package
[05:17] <billytwowilly> replace install with remove
[05:17] <CheatersRealm> yeah
[05:17] <bob2> then sudo apt-get --purge remove xserver-xfree86
[05:17] <CheatersRealm> I did that
[05:17] <CheatersRealm> oh
[05:18] <bob2> ?
[05:18] <lukins> EXACTLY
[05:18] <CheatersRealm> not installed so not removed?
[05:18] <bob2> you ran that exact command?
[05:19] <calamari> hi
[05:19] <CheatersRealm> yeo
[05:19] <CheatersRealm> it's already gone
[05:19] <CheatersRealm> I already removed it
[05:19] <CheatersRealm> wait
[05:19] <CheatersRealm> does xorg use nvidia-glx?
[05:19] <bob2> no
[05:19] <bob2> do you ?
[05:19] <lukins> did you check your /etx/X11/xorg.conf file? do you have one?
[05:19] <CheatersRealm> well I did in xfree86...
[05:20] <CheatersRealm> I dunno if I have one..
[05:20] <CheatersRealm> but I'm gonna remove it right now, see if that fixes things
[05:20] <lukins> i had to modify mine when i upgraded because it was garbage. I used the monitor settings I stole from Kanotix
[05:20] <lukins> NO don't remove it!
[05:20] <lukins> you will never boot up again
[05:21] <bob2> huh?
[05:21] <bob2> of course you can boot
[05:21] <lukins> into x
[05:21] <dr_willis> heh heh
[05:21] <bob2> and if Ubuntu didn't setup X for you properly, please file a bug
[05:21] <calamari> I have a weird problem
[05:21] <dr_willis> you can normally  reun the X config tools.
[05:22] <CheatersRealm> dr_willis, how?
[05:22] <calamari> I know I had samba on here and working weeks ago
[05:22] <lukins> cheater take the monitor section from a knoppix and copy them into your xorg file
[05:22] <dr_willis> CheatersRealm,  not sure :P i use soo many different Disrtos. thers alwyas the basic X --configure option.
[05:22] <calamari> but when I went to use it today, it wasn't enabled.. so I went to install it, and it is giving me errors in synaptic
[05:22] <CheatersRealm> dr_willis, argh.. thx
[05:22] <dr_willis> or i cheat and copy over the xconfuig from a Morphix or Knoppix boot/setup
[05:22] <CheatersRealm> ok
[05:22] <CheatersRealm> so I can startx
[05:22] <bob2> lukins: Ubuntu really couldn't sort it out?
[05:22] <CheatersRealm> but I can't boot and get to gdm.
[05:23] <CheatersRealm> hold on..
[05:23] <calamari> I found this thread, but there was no solution: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6318
[05:23] <bob2> CheatersRealm: erm, your only problem is gdm refuses to start?
[05:23] <lukins> bob2, I tried several times and the x was hosed allways, it would boot into x and just hang
[05:23] <bob2> lukins: please file a bug
[05:23] <calamari> here is one of the errors: invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba
[05:24] <lukins> bob2, I'm quite the noob, I don't know if what I'm doing is a bug, or it's just me screwing around
[05:24] <bob2> lukins: if a default install fails to get X working, it's a bug
[05:25] <lukins> bob2, but it wasn't a default, that went fine, it was an upgrade to hoary
[05:25] <CheatersRealm> bob2, it's not a default install, andyeah, just gdm
[05:25] <CheatersRealm> bob2, lukins has my situation correct6
[05:25] <CheatersRealm> my problem was that I messed with it and then upgraded
[05:25] <CheatersRealm> nvidia-glx is my problem
[05:25] <lukins> cheatersRealm, I'ved lived your situation
[05:25] <bob2> lukins: so waryt was fine, but after upgrading to hoary, X stops starting?
[05:25] <lukins> x hangs, it does start, it cycles a few times and then says...
[05:26] <bob2> lukins: then please file a bug
[05:26] <lukins> xserver already started on :0
[05:26] <bob2> assuming you didn't deliberately break your X config somehow
[05:26] <lukins> bob2 do you work for ubuntu or something?
[05:27] <bob2> I work for canonical, but not on ubuntu
[05:27] <lukins> i see
[05:27] <CheatersRealm> lukins, do you use an nvidia card?
[05:27] <lukins> nope
[05:27] <lukins> millenia g200
[05:28] <CheatersRealm> hrm
[05:28] <lukins> pos
[05:28] <bob2> (this is my own time, I'm waiting for something to build ;)
[05:28] <CheatersRealm> well I was thinking maybe that was it
[05:28] <lukins> cool, i appreciate the hlp
[05:28] <CheatersRealm> yeah, thx bob
[05:28] <CheatersRealm> so what could cause it to already have an x display running?
[05:28] <lukins> cheaters, send me your xorg.conf file
[05:28] <CheatersRealm> uhm
[05:28] <CheatersRealm> how?
[05:29] <lukins> open it up in gedit copy the text. right click on my nick here, choose open dialogue windows and paste contents in there
[05:29] <CheatersRealm> dude, I've got 2 computers
[05:29] <CheatersRealm> how am I supposed to have gedit and irc open if it barely boots.
[05:29] <lukins> so your not on the hosed computer now?
[05:29] <lukins> lol
[05:30] <CheatersRealm> alright hold on... starting x with an xinitrc
[05:30] <lukins> good point
[05:31] <CheatersRealm> wait
[05:31] <CheatersRealm> how can I boot to runlevel 1?
[05:31] <CheatersRealm> straight there
[05:31] <CheatersRealm> or even 3
[05:31] <bob2> 3 is the same as 2
[05:31] <bob2> which is the default
[05:32] <CheatersRealm> it is?
[05:32] <bob2> yes
[05:32] <CheatersRealm> what doesn't start x
[05:32] <bob2> this isn't redhat
[05:32] <CheatersRealm> whatever that is
[05:32] <bob2> they all do
[05:32] <lukins> just hit ctrl alt f1 to get to a commandline
[05:32] <bob2> aside from 1
[05:32] <CheatersRealm> ok, fine
[05:32] <CheatersRealm> I need to get grub right?
[05:32] <lukins> not sure what you mean
[05:32] <bob2> 6you have grub already
[05:33] <bob2> hit esc to get into the menu during boot (immediately after the bios), then boot the rescue option
[05:33] <CheatersRealm> rescue isn't the right kernel
[05:33] <CheatersRealm> I just append a 1 to the end of the kernel line right?
[05:33] <bob2> does it matter?
[05:33] <bob2> yes
[05:33] <lukins> you mean some kernels get you into gnome?
[05:34] <bob2> no
[05:36] <CheatersRealm> lukins, you append the runlevel
[05:36] <CheatersRealm> 1 is single user
[05:36] <CheatersRealm> 3 is with gdm and all
[05:36] <lukins> 1 doesnt start x?
[05:36] <bob2> 2-5 are the same
[05:36] <bob2> 1 doesn't start much of anything
[05:37] <neighborlee> ok I give what dumb thing am I doing wrong whereby I can't mount my CD , but it comes up automatically with icon on desktop ....i'm getting wrong fs type , too many mounted etc.etc. ???? ( yes its my only CD drive at /media/cdrom0)
[05:37] <bob2> is it an audio cd?
[05:37] <neighborlee> nope
[05:37] <neighborlee> its my homeworld game cd
[05:38] <neighborlee> there is a linux binary and I wanted to try it ;-)
[05:38] <bob2> is it mounted?
[05:38] <CheatersRealm> what do I have to run when I startx to get ANY window manager
[05:38] <CheatersRealm> I'm talking like anything
[05:39] <neighborlee> nope
[05:39] <neighborlee> bob2, nope
[05:39] <bob2> CheatersRealm: it should start gnome by default
[05:39] <bob2> neighborlee: can you mount it manually?
[05:39] <bob2> neighborlee: sure you're picking the righgt device, etc?
[05:40] <neighborlee> bob2, no i can't...only udf works
[05:40] <CheatersRealm> bob2, what command starts gnome?
[05:40] <neighborlee> /dev/hdc is all I have atm
[05:40] <lukins> gdm
[05:40] <neighborlee> /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0
[05:41] <bob2> neighborlee: 'only udf works'?
[05:41] <bob2> CheatersRealm: eh?
[05:41] <bob2> CheatersRealm: it more or less runs 'exec gnome-session
[05:41] <CheatersRealm> ahh, gnome-sessio0n
[05:41] <CheatersRealm> k
[05:41] <neighborlee> bob2, isn't that the new cd mounting system ?..I mean it auto mounts when I insert cd but I cant manually
[05:42] <CheatersRealm> woooohooo! I have a windowmanager
[05:42] <bob2> neighborlee: udf is a filesystem format
[05:42] <cheatersrealm2> bwhahaha
[05:43] <bob2> neighborlee: so what exactly is your problem, if it's mounting it automatically?
[05:43] <cheatersrealm2> who wants the xorg?
[05:43] <lukins> are you seeing you booted gnome?
[05:43] <neighborlee> bob2, well because one of my CD's isn't...
[05:43] <cheatersrealm2> lukins, yep, I just got gnome to boot
[05:43] <lukins> no applause please, everyone please sit down
[05:43] <cheatersrealm2> :)
[05:43] <cheatersrealm2> lukins, still need to see the xorg.conf?
[05:44] <lukins> well, my prob when i finally did boot was that the screen res was too high, that was fixed with the new xorg.conf
[05:44] <lukins> short answer: no
[05:44] <cheatersrealm2> short answer no with a but
[05:44] <cheatersrealm2> lol
[05:44] <cheatersrealm2> well, whatever
[05:44] <cheatersrealm2> I will sort this out in a few days
[05:44] <cheatersrealm2> like after I get presents n'stuff
[05:44] <cheatersrealm2> lol
[05:45] <lukins> neighborlee, do you have the dir /media/cdrom0
[05:45] <cheatersrealm2> oh crap
[05:45] <cheatersrealm2> I just minimized a window
[05:45] <cheatersrealm2> and it went away
[05:45] <cheatersrealm2> ahh, I got alt-tab
[05:45] <cheatersrealm2> lol
[05:46] <cheatersrealm2> wait
[05:46] <cheatersrealm2> my xorg is very similar to XF86
[05:46] <lukins> its the same
[05:46] <cheatersrealm2> yeah, exactly the same
[05:47] <lukins> my monitor settings were crap in there, there were no horiz or vertical settings
[05:47] <lukins> i think thats the bug.... that keeps the x server hanging
[05:48] <cheatersrealm2> mine are fine
[05:48] <lukins> ah, now if i could only get to my ntfs drive
[05:48] <bob2> er, I'm pretty sure you don't need to specify frequencies anymore
[05:49] <bob2> but, again, if X didn't work out of the box, its a bug, please report it
[05:49] <cheatersrealm2> bob2, it's from some wierd thing I did with xfree86 and nvidia I'm sure
[05:49] <cheatersrealm2> gnite
[05:50] <lukins> seeya
[05:51] <CheatersRealm> ok, well I'm still here
[05:51] <CheatersRealm> just rebooting
[05:51] <CheatersRealm> I NEED TO GO TO SLEEPL
[05:51] <CheatersRealm> lol
[05:51] <lukins> why is this so addictive?
[05:51] <rtfm> gday folks
[05:51] <rtfm> how can I make sure my fonts are antialiased
[05:52] <bob2> look at your monitor real close
[05:52] <calamari> any ideas on how to get samba working again from this smoldering pile?  I've posted my error message to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6318
[05:52] <rtfm> bob2, that helps ... not :-)
[05:52] <bob2> calamari: nothing on the list about it?
[05:52] <bob2> rtfm: how else would you check?
[05:52] <calamari> bob2: dunno.. didn't search the list :)
[05:52] <bob2> rtfm: 'xmag' and zooming in on text would work, too
[05:53] <CheatersRealm> ok, so I have figured out that there is NOTHING having to do with nvidia
[05:53] <bob2> calamari: the list is far more likely to have useful content than the forum
[05:53] <CheatersRealm> maybe gdm
[05:53] <lukins> rtfm, if you go to fonts and see the options for antialiasing....
[05:53] <calamari> oic
[05:53] <calamari> thanks, I'll check it
[05:54] <lukins> goodnight all
[05:54] <rtfm> lukins, in the fonts section that I can see under computer->desktop pref->Font their is only smoothing. Same thing?
[05:54] <unb> ATI Mobility 9700, AMD64, anyone? I just installed Ubuntu in my new laptop and X doesn't work. Any suggestions?
[05:54] <CheatersRealm> WOW, I THINK I MIGHT HAVE IT!!! re-apting gdm
[05:54] <calamari> bob2: do you know if synaptic or apt keep any history of package installation / removal?  I know I had samba installed before and it wasn't today.  I'm wondering if another app somehow said to remove it
[05:55] <CheatersRealm> :-P
[05:55] <bob2> calamari: aptitude does
[05:55] <CheatersRealm> calamari, I removed it!
[05:55] <bob2> calamari: you really really need to watch what apt and synaptic try to on hoary, tho
[05:55] <nicedreams> unb > try xf86config
[05:55] <nicedreams> oops
[05:55] <nicedreams> wait
[05:55] <calamari> CheatersRealm: cool, since you're hacked into my system, can you fix my printing problems too? :)
[05:55] <nicedreams> try the config util for x.org
[05:55] <bob2> unb: it didn't set itup automatically?
[05:55] <CheatersRealm> calamari, done
[05:56] <CheatersRealm> please work please work please work please work
[05:56] <CheatersRealm> lol
[05:56] <rtfm> ok antialiasing... how is it setup. are the settings controlled in Computer->Desk Pref->Font or in the X font configuration?
[05:56] <bob2> both
[05:57] <unb> it created what seems to be a valid X config file, detecting the right chipset. But GDM fails to load and I'm sent back to the console.
[05:57] <rtfm> hmmm ok well its doing something
[05:57] <bob2> unb: please file a bug, including the output of 'dmesg', 'lspci', 'lspci -n' and 'lsmod'.
[05:57] <nicedreams> unb > try xinit
[05:57] <rtfm> sorry bog2, thought you were joking befoer
[05:58] <rtfm> err sorry bob2
[05:58] <CheatersRealm> I AM GOD
[05:58] <CheatersRealm> I FIXED IT
[05:58] <calamari> CheatersRealm: thanks buddy.. doesn't print out legal sized anymore.. heh. I wish
[05:58] <CheatersRealm> heh, well I fixed enough of the world's problems for tonight (mainly my own)
[05:58] <calamari> oh and you upgraded me to 1200x600!
[05:59] <CheatersRealm> oh crap
[05:59] <CheatersRealm> more stuff isn't working
[05:59] <calamari> someday Linux printing will catch up to Windows.. not quite yet tho
[05:59] <CheatersRealm> ok
[05:59] <CheatersRealm> how can I see what is currently installed, but not at apt's newest version?
[05:59] <heero17> hello
[05:59] <unb> I'll try in a second xinit and xf86config.  The problem is that after a failed attempt to load X my console is not readable anymore. Tooooo dim, I can't see the command line and I have to reboot.
[05:59] <bob2> CheatersRealm: aptitude -> 'upgradable packages'
[06:00] <CheatersRealm> thx
[06:01] <jedi-linux> hello people
[06:01] <jedi-linux> >)
[06:01] <CheatersRealm> thx bob
[06:01] <CheatersRealm> I think that'll fix the rest of my crpa
[06:01] <nicedreams> unb > do a ctrl+alt+backspace
[06:01] <nicedreams> unb > that will exit X
[06:01] <CheatersRealm> bob2, you've been a great help tonight.
[06:02] <CheatersRealm> ahh, gnite
[06:02] <Cube-ness> hmm.. playing with hoary.. recent update included kernel 2.9.1.. it panics on boot during the hotplug stuff.. error about not getting sync of something.. anybody know anything about this?
[06:02] <CheatersRealm> I have to get up in 6 hours and swim
[06:02] <nicedreams> unb > if xinit works, then you know x works
[06:02] <nicedreams> i forgot
[06:02] <nicedreams> they use x.org and not xfree
[06:02] <nicedreams> so i don't know if xinit and xf86configure will work
[06:02] <jedi-linux> yeah will work
[06:02] <nicedreams> or at least they do on the test release i'm using
[06:03] <jedi-linux> xorgconfig
[06:03] <bob2> Cube-ness: ask on the user list
[06:03] <nicedreams> xorgconfig
[06:03] <nicedreams> there we go
[06:03] <jedi-linux> yeah
[06:03] <unb> X is never loaded. I get a message telling me that X failed and it shows a Log that doesn't tell me what's wrong. It then says that GDM will be disabled and dumps me back into console mode (at this point I can't really see the command line anymore).
[06:03] <nicedreams> oh
[06:03] <nicedreams> easy
[06:03] <nicedreams> do this
[06:03] <nicedreams> aptititude update
[06:03] <nicedreams> and then
[06:03] <nicedreams> dist-upgrade
[06:03] <nicedreams> i had the same thing
[06:03] <nicedreams> just upgrade
[06:03] <rtfm> try aptitude update
[06:03] <nicedreams> and dist-update
[06:04] <nicedreams> err
[06:04] <nicedreams> upgrade
[06:04] <nicedreams> sry
[06:04] <bob2> nicedreams: enter isn't punctuation ;)
[06:04] <nicedreams> :)
[06:04] <unb> I don't seem to have any of the commands you are suggesting: xorgconfig, xinit, xf86configure :(
[06:05] <nicedreams> hmmmm... i need to get used to configing x.org
[06:05] <jedi-linux> xorgconfig
[06:05] <nicedreams> look up in google x.org config command
[06:05] <jedi-linux> is place in
[06:05] <nicedreams> or util
[06:05] <bur[n] er> or just edit the config file by hand
[06:05] <bob2> x.org is more or less identical to xfree86
[06:05] <nicedreams> acually xorgconfig works for me
[06:05] <jedi-linux> is place in /usr/X11R6/xorgconfig
[06:05] <rtfm> bob2, I have LCD which are fixed resolution devices... means they only work best at desgined resolution...
[06:05] <crimsun> unb: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[06:05] <nicedreams> but do "aptitude update" then "aptitude dist-upgrade" then reboot
[06:06] <jocco> hello everyone :) in DOS all I have to do to switch drives is type cd drive:\ , how do we do it in linux?
[06:06] <jocco> I have a FAT32 space I want to access
[06:06] <bur[n] er> jocco: where is it mounted?
[06:06] <rtfm> bob2, this is 17" LCD so it is 1280x1024. This makes test quite small. Best way to enlarge things without changing resolution?
[06:06] <crimsun> jocco: mount points
[06:06] <nicedreams> jocco > linux doesn't use drive letters
[06:06] <jedi-linux> jocco
[06:06] <nicedreams> jocoo
[06:06] <bur[n] er> jocco: again... where is it mounted?
[06:06] <rtfm> bob2, s/test/text
[06:06] <nicedreams> do this
[06:06] <jocco> I have tried CD mnt\hda4
[06:06] <bur[n] er> jocco: why not just go through nautilus?
[06:06] <nicedreams> mkdir /mnt/fatdrv
[06:07] <bur[n] er> jocco: cd /mnt/hda4
[06:07] <nicedreams> mount -t vfat /dev/hda# /mnt/fatdrv
[06:07] <bur[n] er> make sure you have priveleges on that drive
[06:07] <nicedreams> replace # with partition number
[06:07] <nicedreams> do
[06:07] <nicedreams> fdisk -l
[06:07] <jedi-linux> and the line on u fstab
[06:07] <unb> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  ==> Package `xserver-org` us bit ubstakked ab bi ubfi us avaukabke. :|
[06:07] <nicedreams> to find it
[06:07] <crimsun> unb: are you using Warty?
[06:07] <nicedreams> unb > do the upgrade
[06:07] <jocco> ok I try that Thankyou verry much :)
[06:07] <bur[n] er> otherwise jocco.... look at "computer" from the places
[06:08] <unb> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  ==> Package `xserver-org`is not available and no info is available :|
[06:08] <nicedreams> unb > sudu aptitude update
[06:08] <jedi-linux> >O
[06:08] <nicedreams> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:08] <unb> Yes, I'm using Warty. I just downloaded the CD.
[06:08] <jocco> yea the computer dont see it :/ I am going to check it out again, I may have formated it NTFS by mistake...
[06:08] <crimsun> unb: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'
[06:09] <jedi-linux> jocco u have the line to mount a fat partition on u fstab file??
[06:09] <jedi-linux> and the support in the kernel?
[06:09] <bur[n] er> default kernel supports fat32
[06:09] <nicedreams> if it's a stock kernel it should have fat and ntfs
[06:09] <bur[n] er> and it should be picked up by /etc/fstab
[06:10] <jocco> thanks Jedi, I will look :)
[06:10] <|QuaD|> wow... i love saved by the bell
[06:10] <calamari> ahh crap
[06:10] <nicedreams> lol
[06:10] <|QuaD|> reminds me of my younger days
[06:10] <rtfm> how do I load 100dpi fonts
[06:10] <calamari> I didn't have samba installed after all.. it was smbclient
[06:10] <nicedreams> you might need to get smbfs
[06:10] <calamari> now samba won't let me remove it either.. bad package! bad!
[06:11] <nicedreams> don't they use iffs or something like that now instead of smbfs?
[06:11] <|QuaD|> do you guys have any reccomendations on a program to do backups (with the option of incremental backups)
[06:11] <unb> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ==> this one is available. I then did /etc/init.d/gdm start ==> same thing. I doesn't load, and I get an unreadable console after trying. I'm rebooting right now ...
[06:11] <nicedreams> unb > have you tried to upgrade?
[06:12] <saad> |QuaD|: bacula
[06:12] <saad> I use a combination of bacula and rsnapshot
[06:12] <|QuaD|> saad..... thanks
[06:12] <|QuaD|> rsnapshot?
[06:12] <unb> After installing Ubuntu, the system loaded a huge lot of packages directly from the Ubuntu web site. I must assume therefore that I am up to date.
[06:13] <|QuaD|> saad: is there a gui frontend?
[06:13] <jocco> I am used to QTparted to tweak partitions, is there something like this for ubuntu?
[06:14] <saad> |QuaD|: none that I am aware of for bacula. rsnapshot is cli only
[06:14] <bur[n] er> jocco: gparted
[06:14] <jocco> I think I did format it ntfs
[06:14] <jocco> thanks Burner :)
[06:14] <bur[n] er> jocco: gnomefiles.org has it... there is a link to a .deb of it
[06:14] <|QuaD|> saad: :(
[06:14] <rtfm> how do I load 100dpi fonts
[06:14] <unb> The error log says that I'm running xfree86 4.3.0.1, not xorg.
[06:14] <bur[n] er> it's not actually in ubuntu's repository right now :(
[06:14] <bob2> rtfm: dump the font size
[06:14] <bur[n] er> but... it works well... better than qtparted imo
[06:14] <rtfm> bob2, how
[06:15] <bob2> rtfm: in the gnome font dialog
[06:15] <rtfm> thanks
[06:16] <jocco> WOW! I love Apt :)
[06:16] <saad> |QuaD|: for bacula there is a cli, a "far from complete" gnome gui, and a restore only wxWidgets gui
[06:16] <saad> |QuaD|: http://www.bacula.org/html-manual/bacula.html#UADef
[06:16] <|QuaD|> saad: i am reading
[06:17] <jocco> today was major victory , I got Enemy terratory working in Linux :) Ubunto is very easy to set up :)
[06:17] <|QuaD|> saad: would prefer one with a gui
[06:17] <saad> |QuaD|: I am a cli guy so I must admit that I never look at guis
[06:18] <|QuaD|> saad: i am normally, i start off with gui's thoug
[06:18] <|QuaD|> h
[06:18] <|QuaD|> saad: is it atleast an ncurses ?
[06:20] <jocco> is ext3 the best to use with Ubuntu?
[06:20] <saad> |QuaD|: nope. but it is very efficient imho
[06:20] <jocco> I am formating slave disk
[06:20] <jedi-linux> i i think the best is reiserfs
[06:20] <|QuaD|> saad: lol
[06:20] <jedi-linux> more fast >D
[06:20] <jocco> resurf :)
[06:20] <jocco> cool
[06:20] <jocco> I try that
[06:21] <jocco> thanks
[06:21] <saad> |QuaD|: ncurses doesn't always make sense
[06:21] <|QuaD|> saad: i just want something to make it easier
[06:22] <saad> |QuaD|: moreover, bacula concentrates on high portability. the client is supported on c'al unix, linux, *bsd, and windows
[06:22] <jocco> btw, I have 2 gigs ram, and a 2 gig swap, my friend tells me that I should have a 4 gig swap? is this true?
[06:22] <|QuaD|> saad: what kind of backup, tar's?
[06:22] <Dekkard> with 2 gigs of ram you prolly dont even need swap
[06:22] <bob2> jocco: no, your friend is wrong
[06:22] <bob2> yeah
[06:22] <jocco> cool :)
[06:22] <saad> |QuaD|: how about reading the excellent documentation? ;-)
[06:23] <|QuaD|> saad: i would have to stop watching saved by the bell!
[06:23] <|QuaD|> i skimmed it
[06:23] <Dekkard> that double ram fopr swap idea was back when machines were using 32 meg or ram..
[06:23] <saad> jocco: it used to be true in the ol' days. and also for some borked 2.4.x kernels during the VM rework
[06:24] <jocco> Ah :)
[06:24] <jocco> yea I see article saying that .... old Debina install tutorials
[06:24] <jocco> debian
[06:24] <saad> swap really really depends on the underlying os
[06:24] <Dekkard> i have a half gig of ram..and my machine rarely if ever touches swap
[06:25] <jocco> I render stuff in real time, and I also ray trace stuff.... useing blender mostly, soon I hope to use Truespace under WINE
[06:25] <jocco> I am 3d artist :)
[06:26] <saad> so you are the kind of guy with 32MB of ram huh ;-)
[06:26] <jocco> 0o
[06:26] <jocco> 2 gigs this system, and 6 gigs on my opteron system :)
[06:27] <saad> jocco: more seriously. experiment for your swap size. put it at a rather small size first. and if that's not enough, swapon is your friend
[06:27] <|QuaD|> saad: why do you use rsnapshot and bacula?
[06:27] <bob2> there isn't even need for that
[06:28] <bob2> if you have 2GB of ram, add 512mb of swap and stop caring
[06:28] <saad> |QuaD|: worst case scenario.
[06:28] <jocco> soon I want to install Ubuntu 64 bit on opteron, it works great but no 64bit drivers from ATI :/
[06:28] <jocco> thanks bob2 :)
[06:28] <|QuaD|> saad: so you keep 2 backups of everything?
[06:28] <saad> |QuaD|: and different goals too.
[06:29] <|QuaD|> saad: what do you mean
[06:29] <jedi-linux> jocco
[06:29] <jedi-linux> u are now in u amd box?
[06:29] <jocco> :D
[06:29] <jedi-linux> u kan do a command for this public
[06:29] <saad> |QuaD|: not exactly. rsnapshot is for taking snapshots of important directories that I'd want to be restoring fast
[06:29] <jedi-linux> please say how many bogomips u have
[06:29] <jocco> nope, I am in intem p4 box
[06:29] <jedi-linux> do cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:30] <jocco> opteron is running winXP 64x
[06:30] <saad> |QuaD|: and bacula stores its stuff on a DDS tape
[06:30] <|QuaD|> saad: so it doesn't do incremental backups?
[06:30] <jocco> I wil do it after I install Ubintu on it for you :)
[06:30] <jocco> I am going to install Nvidia card first
[06:31] <jedi-linux> >D
[06:31] <saad> |QuaD|: for god's sake, read the fine documentation. rsnapshot does incremental in its own way and use hard links for saving space. it uses rsync man!
[06:31] <jocco> the ati really hurts my eyes in VESA mode
[06:32] <|QuaD|> saad: i am reading
[06:32] <|QuaD|> just slowly
[06:32] <unb> I'm trying to get X to run on an ATI Mobility 9700 card using Ubuntu AMD64. No luck so far. I just realized that maybe the "ati" driver is for 32-bit kernel only? Could my setup be failing because I'm running on the amd64 arch? What do you think?
[06:32] <saad> as for the gui part, I can't help. most of my machines run headless
[06:33] <|QuaD|> lol
[06:34] <jedi-linux> unb i think maybe u should look if u kan install the driver with apt-get but frist update u database of ports
[06:36] <unb> My system is up to date with the Ubuntu repositories. What do you mean by installing the driver with apt-get? Is there an ati-specific package  I can install?
[06:36] <jedi-linux> well im now in gentoo, but
[06:36] <jedi-linux> im always
[06:36] <jedi-linux> prefer
[06:36] <jedi-linux> get the driver
[06:36] <jedi-linux> from the ati page
[06:36] <jedi-linux> try with this
[06:37] <jedi-linux> www.ati.com/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html
[06:39] <jedi-linux> elmaya sabes si el envio de cd gratis ha parado?
[06:39] <lek> english jedi
[06:39] <jedi-linux> oka
[06:39] <unb> Thanks for the link. I'll give it a try but first I'll have to figure out how to install this stuff in Ubuntu.
[06:39] <elmaya> ni idea
[06:39] <jocco> is there some way to automaticaly update my fstab file? I have just made a partition into resurf, and I have no idea how to do settings...
[06:40] <jedi-linux> not stop, jocco u need add some line as this
[06:41] <jedi-linux> device @ some as /dev/hda4   some mount point @ /mnt/windows
[06:41] <jocco> yea :) thanks
[06:41] <jedi-linux> and
[06:41] <jedi-linux> the type of filesystem is
[06:41] <jedi-linux> reiserfs
[06:42] <jedi-linux> u get it?
[06:42] <calamari> can anyone guide me through removing samba manually?
[06:42] <jedi-linux> oka
[06:42] <jedi-linux> is
[06:44] <jedi-linux> example  /dev/hda1  /mnt/infected  reiserfs  noatime,notail,auto,user  0 0
[06:45] <jedi-linux> auto ..always will mount the partition
[06:45] <jedi-linux> user, all user kan see and change the partition
[06:46] <jedi-linux> notail, is for have more performance
[06:46] <jedi-linux> noatime ....i dont have idea but works fine! >D
[06:46] <|QuaD|> i wish there was an easy backup choice!
[06:46] <jedi-linux> u get it jocco??
[06:46] <tuxJr_14> hi
[06:46] <jocco> how do I find the mount point name?
[06:46] <jedi-linux> hi tux
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> rsync?
[06:46] <jocco> make it up?
[06:46] <tuxJr_14> hi jedi-linux
[06:46] <jedi-linux> well is easy
[06:47] <jedi-linux> when u do the ubuntu instalation
[06:47] <jedi-linux> u remember in where partition is locate windows?
[06:47] <tuxJr_14> jocco: you just create a directory and mount it there. or sometimes the device label is the mount point
[06:47] <jocco> yes'
[06:47] <jedi-linux> and what is this partition?
[06:47] <tuxJr_14> |QuaD|: amanda?
[06:48] <jedi-linux> is /dev/hda1?
[06:48] <jocco> nope hdb2
[06:48] <|QuaD|> amanda? is she a nice girl ? jk, lemme look in to i
[06:48] <|QuaD|> t
[06:49] <jedi-linux> then is /dev/hdb2
[06:49] <jedi-linux> do a dir in /mnt
[06:49] <tuxJr_14> |QuaD|: amanda's a tool for backup using tapes
[06:49] <jocco> ok I tyr :)
[06:49] <jocco> try
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> mkdir /mnt/hdb2
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> sudo mkdir /mnt/hdb2
[06:50] <jocco> ;) ty :)
[06:50] <|QuaD|> tuxJr_14: client server model?
[06:50] <|QuaD|> tuxJr_14: i am just looking for a simple gui
[06:50] <tuxJr_14> |QuaD|: i think so.
[06:50] <tuxJr_14> |QuaD|: amanda's terminal based but it is easy
[06:51] <|QuaD|> tuxJr_14: after reading a howto configure, seems difficult
[06:51] <jedi-linux> ubuntu gnome have a look like the Ximian desktop ?
[06:51] <saad> |QuaD|: let's turn the thing around. what are your needs? how many machines are you going to backup? etc.
[06:52] <tuxJr_14> |QuaD|: had heard a lot about it but never used, though
[06:52] <jocco> cd hdb2
[06:52] <jocco> 0o
[06:52] <jocco> wrong window sorry :)
[06:52] <saad> |QuaD|: needs specification is a prerequisite to solution fishing ;)
[06:52] <|QuaD|> saad: 1 :)
[06:52] <|QuaD|> just back up stuff from 1 hd to another
[06:53] <|QuaD|> thats why i want simple
[06:53] <saad> |QuaD|: is the other hd completely dedicated to the backup?
[06:53] <|QuaD|> saad: no
[06:53] <tuxJr_14> |QuaD|: just do something like : find {dir from where to backup} -print | tar -cjvf backup.tbz2 -
[06:54] <saad> then tar is your friend
[06:54] <tuxJr_14> |QuaD|: or something like : find {dir from where to backup} -print | tar -cjvf /mnt/{dirname}/backup.tbz2 -
[06:54] <|QuaD|> that does seem easy
[06:55] <saad> or use rsnapshot. it is extremely easy to setup and run
[06:55] <saad> well time to go to work
[06:55] <saad> laters
[06:55] <|QuaD|> maybe rsync it is
[06:56] <tuxJr_14> later saad
[06:56] <saad> |QuaD|: rsnapshot is rsync based and it is very efficient with space. please give it a try after reading the documentation carefully (it is a quick read. pdf format)
[06:57] <tuxJr_14> saad: rsync is good
[07:01] <TongMaster> bob2, you about curly?
[07:08] <Adrenal> can i mount my zen touch in ubuntu?
[07:08] <manchot> does ubuntu have an option so that I can choose a 'base' to install?
[07:08] <manchot> instead of being forced upon unnecessary pkgs
[07:09] <kergan> manchot, you can just remove pakages you dont want
[07:09] <kergan> Adrenal,  what is a zen touch??
[07:09] <jocco> it is quite bare by default :)
[07:09] <Adrenal> creative zen touch
[07:09] <Adrenal> a portable hdd mp3 player
[07:09] <Adrenal> like the iPod
[07:09] <kergan> how does it connect to the pc
[07:09] <Adrenal> usb
[07:10] <kergan> and does it suppost usb mass/storage
[07:10] <tuxJr_14> manchot: type custom at the boot prompt
[07:10] <Adrenal> i'd assume so
[07:10] <Adrenal> 20 gig hdd
[07:10] <kergan> then it shoud be easy to mount it
[07:10] <manchot> is ubuntu has kde?
[07:10] <kergan> manchot,  yes
[07:10] <kergan> manchot,  but not default
[07:11] <jdub> manchot: not supported, but it exists in universe
[07:11] <Adrenal> how do i mount it then
[07:11] <manchot> not in iso image?
[07:11] <Adrenal> what command?
[07:11] <jdub> manchot: no
[07:11] <manchot> why not?
[07:11] <jdub> manchot: you can use 'custom', but i'd recommend installing the desktop anyway.
[07:11] <kergan> fist plug it in and see what happends
[07:11] <jocco> synaptic, and check the unchecked repositories
[07:11] <jdub> manchot: because it's unsupported.
[07:11] <jdub> manchot: wait for kubuntu.
[07:11] <Adrenal> nothing
[07:11] <Adrenal> even in windows u need to install the driver to detect it
[07:12] <kergan> jdub, i agree with you just wait for kubuntu
[07:12] <manchot> jdub: are you kidding, is there really a kubuntu?
[07:12] <jdub> manchot: no, i'm not kidding. it's in development in hoary atm.
[07:12] <jocco> yea that is the brazillian distro
[07:12] <jocco> jokeing
[07:12] <kergan> Adrenal, do a google search and look for answers and howto's
[07:12] <Adrenal> kk
[07:13] <Adrenal> cheerio
[07:13] <kergan> jocco,  that just wrong
[07:14] <kergan> lol jedi-linux  hahahahha rofl
[07:14] <jedi-linux> huh?
[07:15] <kergan> i just like the nick
[07:15] <kergan> sorry
[07:15] <kergan> hehehehe
[07:15] <jedi-linux> ok .d
[07:15] <jedi-linux> :D
[07:18] <ubuntu> 
[07:20] <jocco> WOOT I mounted my hard disk, Now I am Truely a man!!!
[07:22] <kergan> lol
[07:26] <jedi-linux> somebody has use the free shipment of cd ? to get ubuntu
[07:26] <jedi-linux> how many time take recive the cd?
[07:27] <kergan> mine just got shiped on the 6th of this month
[07:27] <jedi-linux> o and since u wait the cd?
[07:28] <kergan> yep
[07:28] <kergan> so far
[07:28] <jedi-linux> lol
[07:28] <kergan> 16days
[07:28] <kergan> give and take a few
[07:29] <jedi-linux> well im now in gentoo but i dont have time to download it the iso of ubuntu
[07:29] <jedi-linux> but i want taste
[07:30] <kergan> jedi-linux,  pluse its nice that you dont havet to compile the programs you want
[07:31] <jedi-linux> oh all is in binary format
[07:31] <jedi-linux> that the rpm package system?
[07:31] <kergan> .deb cinda like .rpm
[07:31] <jedi-linux> mm sound cool, because some time compile source with low ram is hard to do
[07:32] <jedi-linux> xorg kan take 3hour to kompile but
[07:32] <kergan> and very time consuming
[07:32] <jedi-linux> the performance is kool
[07:32] <jedi-linux> and how is the performance in ubuntu?
[07:32] <kergan> nice
[07:32] <kergan> fast d/l of the updates
[07:33] <kergan> farly fast install(depending on cpu)
[07:33] <kergan> this is what mine is on
[07:33] <kergan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.987 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 330/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.82G Free: 18.66G Procs: 75 Uptime: 8 hrs 58 mins 42 secs Load: 1.11 1.61 1.33  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 104.78M Out: 6.68M
[07:33] <jedi-linux> yeah, is true
[07:33] <kergan> runs fast with the seti@home projects
[07:34] <kergan> and i dont notice a performanc drag
[07:34] <jedi-linux> :o
[07:34] <jedi-linux> my p4mobil  dont have much bogomips
[07:34] <jedi-linux> 3340 i think
[07:34] <jedi-linux> but maybe i need more ram, now i have 128
[07:35] <kergan> i have 512 mb ddr2100
[07:35] <jedi-linux> then i must use some litgh as fluxbox to get more speed
[07:35] <kergan> in here now
[07:35] <jedi-linux> :D
[07:35] <kergan> that helps
[07:35] <kergan> but i want to put in a p4 with HT
[07:35] <kergan> my mobo supports it
[07:35] <jocco> anyone here have a dual monitor setup?
[07:35] <kergan> i845g/gl board
[07:36] <kergan> jocco,  not me
[07:36] <jocco> I want to purchace new GFX card for a linux system, just wonderin which models to shoose from.... I love dual head for artwork
[07:37] <jedi-linux> nop me too
[07:37] <jedi-linux> but
[07:37] <jedi-linux> u will try
[07:37] <jedi-linux> doing a search in google . typing .....Dual head how do gentoo
[07:37] <jedi-linux> or look in the forums
[07:37] <jedi-linux> Dual head on linux
[07:37] <jedi-linux> some like that
[07:37] <jocco> k : )
[07:38] <jocco> I got mu disk mounted BTW, thanks for your help jedi :)
[07:38] <jocco> my
[07:38] <lione1> Hello
[07:38] <jocco> hi
[07:38] <jedi-linux> hi lionel
[07:38] <jocco> rebooting now to test it :)
[07:38] <lione1> Neat...
[07:38] <jedi-linux> :D
[07:39] <lione1> I sort of like this OS
[07:39] <jocco> mee too!
[07:39] <lione1> I'm sort of a Linux noob.
[07:39] <jocco> mee too!
[07:39] <lione1> lol
[07:39] <jocco> :D
[07:39] <jedi-linux> me too :)
[07:39] <lek> clearly
[07:39] <jocco> fun distro
[07:39] <jedi-linux> yeah :))
[07:39] <jocco> almost everything I have tried works with it so far :)
[07:39] <lione1> Why are there 272 people in this room and no spam bots ;)
[07:39] <lione1> Really?
[07:40] <lione1> But not microsoft compatible programs ah?
[07:40] <jocco> not yet
[07:40] <jocco> I think there is wine
[07:40] <lione1> what's wine?
[07:40] <jedi-linux> wine is a layer of compatibility
[07:40] <jocco> it runs windows programs without emulator
[07:40] <jedi-linux> with the 32api
[07:40] <jedi-linux> :D yeah
[07:40] <jedi-linux> well
[07:41] <jedi-linux> i has probe games
[07:41] <jedi-linux> like starcraft and diablo
[07:41] <jedi-linux> and run fine :D
[07:41] <jocco> halflife
[07:41] <jedi-linux> yeah haltlife too but i prefer CS
[07:41] <jedi-linux> :D
[07:41] <jedi-linux> u kan use
[07:41] <jedi-linux> cedega
[07:41] <krrh> I get a kernel panic when booting the ubuntu live cd, along with a code containing 20-pairs of numbers. Is this code some sort of identifier that could help me troubleshoot the problem?
[07:41] <plasmo> halflife :)~
[07:41] <lione1> Oh.... I get it... so you don't have to slow everything down (becuse of the extra code translating) in order to do stuff that is meant for Micro-shit producs?
[07:41] <jocco> http://www.winehq.com/
[07:42] <jdub> lione1: dude, keep it nice please
[07:42] <jedi-linux> cedega is avalible in the ubuntu packages?
[07:42] <lione1> Micro-junk ??? that better?
[07:42] <jdub> jedi-linux: no, cedega is not free software
[07:42] <jocco> cedega?
[07:42] <jedi-linux> well i have the cvs version
[07:43] <jedi-linux> cedega : ...is the wine version for run games
[07:43] <jedi-linux> with the DirectX buiiltin
[07:43] <jocco> Oh that is wineX
[07:43] <jedi-linux> yeah
[07:43] <jedi-linux> winex
[07:43] <jedi-linux> :)
[07:43] <kergan> winex should be free
[07:44] <plasmo> cvs is free
[07:45] <jedi-linux> yeah
[07:45] <kergan> plasmo,  pain in the arse to compile it
[07:45] <kergan> i have tried
[07:45] <kergan> never worked
[07:45] <plasmo> :/
[07:45] <jocco> /dev/hdb2      /mnt/hdb2        reiserfs defaults       1        2
[07:45] <jocco> :)
[07:45] <jocco> I am verry proud of myself!
[07:45] <jedi-linux> well but this type of proyects, need some of money to do miracles, but the good side is ..kan fint it in some p2p net :D
[07:46] <jedi-linux> try looking with apollon or limewire ;)
[07:46] <Lione1> Who is donating all the money for the free distibution of Ubunto?
[07:46] <jocco> me and 2 jewish lawyers
[07:46] <jocco> BRB rebooting...
[07:47] <kergan> Lione1, dont know but shoulent be too much for them to make the cds
[07:47] <krrh> Anyone willing to help me sort out a bootting issue witht he live CD? I've Googled myself into this channel and desperation.
[07:47] <lukins> whats up krrh
[07:47] <lek> what's the error krrh
[07:48] <krrh> I get a kernel panic when booting the live CD, claiming that the program has attempted to kill the idle task.
[07:48] <krrh> A code of about 20 pairs of digits appears immediately before this message.
[07:49] <jedi-linux> krh
[07:49] <krrh> I'm sure it's hardware related, as I can't get fedora to install on this machine, either. But the hardware is all current.
[07:49] <jedi-linux> u have the correct version for u pc?
[07:49] <lukins> look, you can't even install ubuntu with the livecd so if you want to intall it, get the install disk
[07:49] <krrh> I do have the correct version.
[07:49] <lek> lukins, shut up
[07:49] <krrh> It boot on a laptop I own, and the media check is all good.
[07:50] <krrh> I'm not actually installing from the live CD. It won't boot, period.
[07:50] <krrh> I have tried to install, however, and the installer fails in a similar fashion.
[07:50] <lukins> knoppix loads ok?
[07:50] <K-Rich> krrh, did you try with framebuffer? under more boot options?  i have to do that on this one
[07:51] <jedi-linux> what Mother board have u laptop???
[07:51] <krrh> Haven't tried Knoppix for the sake of troubleshooting. Not intrested in the distro.
[07:51] <K-Rich> does anyone know if i can use the apt repositories for debian unstable?
[07:51] <IsaacNewbie> can sumeone tell me where 2 get list of hardware that ubuntu support?
[07:51] <lukins> no just wanted to know if it would boot for you
[07:51] <krrh> I have tried many boot options, including disabling all hardware detection.
[07:52] <jedi-linux> or what model is u laptop?
[07:52] <lek> jedi, stop with the "u", it's seriously annoying
[07:52] <krrh> The PC in question is a Microstar 6577, or MS-6577. It's not a laptop. My laptop with the liveCD works fine.
[07:52] <jedi-linux> aaa :OK
[07:53] <krrh> This isnt' the PC brand. It's the motherboard, I mean.
[07:53] <jdub> K-Rich: you should not. ubuntu is built against ubuntu, and provides universe for all the unsupported debian packages.
[07:53] <jdub> IsaacNewbie: there is no hardware compatibility list
[07:54] <IsaacNewbie> thx....
[07:54] <IsaacNewbie> seem need 2 do a lot b4 installation....
[07:54] <K-Rich> jdub the reason i ask is i use sid on my desktop, ubunto on this laptop, was hoping i could interchange stuff...
[07:54] <Lione1> Oh... I have a question... Can I run Ubuntu alongside Microsoft Windows (XP) ???
[07:54] <Lione1> On a different Virtual disk?
[07:55] <lek> haha
[07:55] <lukins> k-rich i concur, it hosed my system
[07:55] <Lione1> (Thats just a name i wrote up lol... I mean like a different partition)
[07:55] <lukins> k-rich, just use the universe and multiverse repos and that should cover sd
[07:55] <lukins> sid
[07:55] <jocco> hooray!!! my new partition works, thanks everyone :)
[07:55] <Lione1> Its probably on the websie... I'll go take a look
[07:55] <jdub> Lione1: yes.
[07:56] <plasmo> jocco: cool :)
[07:56] <s0cks> What came before warty?
[07:56] <Lione1> Congradulations!
[07:56] <K-Rich> how often are the ubuntu repositories updated? (i mean, like can i get gimp 2.2 (which is in debian experimental still) or do i have to wait in this as well?
[07:56] <jocco> Thanks
[07:56] <plasmo> s0cks: nothing :)
[07:56] <s0cks> I didn't think so.
[07:56] <jocco> This is the first disrtro I have been able to get all my hardware to work with :)\
[07:56] <plasmo> warty is the first release
[07:56] <Lione1> I'm wondering... how do you ask somone permission before p/ming them... do you ask on the channel?
[07:57] <K-Rich> Lione1, usually yes :)
[07:57] <Lione1> Thanks!
[07:57] <pepsi> .
[07:57] <zenwhen> pm them with:   do you like me (check one) [] yes [] no
[07:57] <pepsi> [X]  no
[07:57] <zenwhen> ;-;
[07:58] <lek> go to your computer repair service
[07:58] <Amaranth> s0cks: The version number is the year and month of the release.
[07:58] <Amaranth> 2004, month 10
[07:58] <Amaranth> 4.10
[07:58] <s0cks> Right.
[07:58] <s0cks> How long till Hoary is due?
[07:58] <Amaranth> If this project is still around in the year 3000 it'll have issues.
[07:58] <pepsi> whorey
[07:59] <etorix> i hate pm windows flying open in the middle of summink else
[07:59] <plasmo> around march
[07:59] <Amaranth> s0cks: Well, new releases come every six months.
[07:59] <lek> s0cks, april..
[07:59] <s0cks> I know all of this.
[07:59] <s0cks> I just wanna know what month.
[07:59] <lek> I just said, can you add?
[07:59] <pepsi> warty, whorey, grumpy girlfriends
[08:00] <plasmo> lol
[08:00] <s0cks> perky at the end of that.
[08:00] <K-Rich> :P
[08:00] <s0cks> Grumpy and perky...
[08:00] <s0cks> hm...
[08:01] <jedi-linux> 
[08:01] <K-Rich> bitchy and moany too
[08:01] <s0cks> mmmm.... bitchy banana
[08:01] <s0cks> and moany mongoose
[08:01] <Amaranth> warty warthog, hoary hedgehog, grumpy groundhog, perky penguin
[08:01] <Amaranth> whee
[08:01] <Amaranth> they just love aliteration
[08:01] <pepsi> whorey
[08:02] <Amaranth> pepsi: We got the joke, stop.
[08:02] <pepsi> no
[08:02] <pepsi> eat my pants
[08:02] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[08:02] <pepsi> :)
[08:02] <plasmo> :d
[08:02] <lek> Are you kids 10 or what?
[08:02] <pepsi> 10.5
[08:03] <lek> apparently.
[08:03] <Amaranth> hey, I have some aliteration for you guys: pepsi pissant :P
[08:03] <plasmo> im 19 ;). still a kid tho
[08:03] <Amaranth> just kidding
[08:03] <pepsi> :o
[08:03] <pepsi> no yur not
[08:03] <pepsi> :P
[08:03] <K-Rich> Amaranth Anteatter, plasmo phirranah, krrh kangaroo
[08:03] <pepsi> i need to find something to do
[08:03] <K-Rich> this could go on and on
[08:03] <Amaranth> I say after perky penguin they should call the next one pepsi pissant or dingo daniels ;)
[08:04] <plasmo> lol
[08:04] <K-Rich> what it multiverse v. universe  and restricted ?
[08:04] <kergan> i like dingo daniels
[08:04] <kergan> lol
[08:04] <Amaranth> K-Rich: It's in the wiki, I think. Let me find a link.
[08:04] <K-Rich> is it like contrib and non-free and experimental under debian?
[08:04] <s0cks> crap.
[08:04] <s0cks> I need a cd-r, and the closest one is next to my parents bedroom.
[08:05] <Amaranth> universe is unsupported, i know that
[08:05] <Amaranth> one of the others is like non-free
[08:05] <etorix> im still confused slightly about binary comapatability with debian
[08:05] <etorix> ok
[08:05] <Amaranth> binary compatibility?
[08:06] <Amaranth> you mean package compatibility?
[08:06] <Lione1> Um... I'm wondering... When I install Ubuntu, will it give me the option to Create a new partition and install it on it... or do I have to go create the partitian with fdisk or somthing, and then intall Ununtu?
[08:06] <etorix> i cant add ubuntu sources to debian sources.list
[08:06] <Lione1> whois mdz
[08:06] <plasmo> Lione1: u can create on ubuntu
[08:06] <Lione1> oops..
[08:06] <etorix> but can i add debian sources to ubuntu sporces list
[08:06] <plasmo> with expert
[08:06] <Amaranth> Lione1: it'll either do it for you (don't if you want to keep windows) or give you a little tool to do it
[08:06] <chris> i installed ubuntu over Mandrake 9.2 and the installation worked fine but when i booted it up after that i got a BOOT DISK FAILUTE error and i think my MBR is messed up. reinstallation doesn't fix this.  anything i can do?
[08:06] <etorix>  im taliking 64-bit only
[08:06] <Amaranth> etorix: I wouldn't.
[08:07] <etorix> i havent
[08:07] <lukins> chris, if you have your windows xp disk go into recovery mode to restore windows
[08:07] <etorix> but i installed gkrellm from sid
[08:07] <Amaranth> for some small things you can mix packages but don't do it full scale, you'll get package incompatibility nightmares
[08:07] <calc> chris: what ide controller is installed on?
[08:07] <etorix> cos i cant seem to survive without it
[08:08] <Lione1> Can I pm you Amaranth?
[08:08] <chris> im not sure what controller i have
[08:08] <chris> and no, i dont have an XP cd on me
[08:08] <Amaranth> Lione1: Just ask here, I'm coding right now. :)
[08:08] <calc> chris: hpt raid controllers have problems with grub, but other than that not sure why it would fail for you
[08:08] <Lione1> What is the tool that you say you will give me?
[08:08] <Lione1> and what will it do?
[08:08] <etorix> Amaranth: common-sense applies then
[08:09] <Amaranth> it'll allow you to edit and create partitions
[08:09] <Amaranth> kind of like fdisk
[08:09] <Lione1> but better...
[08:09] <Lione1> okay
[08:09] <Lione1> Is there a way to send it to me... or give me the URL?
[08:10] <Amaranth> the tool?
[08:10] <Lione1> Yes
[08:10] <Amaranth> it's a part of the installation
[08:10] <Lione1> Oh...
[08:10] <Lione1> So when I put the install disk in, and boot... it will run/prompt to run?
[08:10] <Lione1> Okay...
[08:10] <Amaranth> it'll run
[08:11] <Amaranth> it'll try to handle things for you but if you want to keep windows that might be a bad idea :P
[08:11] <Amaranth> so you'll have to manually create partitions but if you know fdisk it shouldn't be hard
[08:12] <Lione1> I don't totally follow you...
[08:12] <Amaranth> now, if i keep helping people i'll never get you all iTunes Music Store support in GNOME :P
[08:12] <Amaranth> Lione1: You'll understand when you run the installer.
[08:12] <calc> Amaranth: that strips the drm too?
[08:12] <Amaranth> calc: ha, the files don't have drm
[08:12] <Lione1> But Its not going to screw up my windows partiatoin?
[08:12] <etorix> now iTunes in gnome  ... hmmm
[08:12] <Amaranth> the iTunes client adds it
[08:13] <calc> Amaranth: hahaha, cool :)
[08:13] <Amaranth> This gives you m4a files. :)
[08:13] <Amaranth> The cli client is already done, a friend wrote that.
[08:13] <Amaranth> I'm just writing the GUI version.
[08:13] <etorix> what .. just the store?or full iTunes?
[08:13] <Amaranth> just the store
[08:14] <Amaranth> Rhythmbox and gtkpod give you the rest
[08:14] <calc> rhythmbox is already a fairly decent clone of basic itunes features
[08:14] <Lione1> I'm goona go for now... but I want to express my thanks to everyone... and especially the people that helped with me questions... what a wonderfull Alternitive to the 'closed source' ideals of microsoft..
[08:14] <Lione1> Thanks, and bye!
[08:14] <etorix> erm .. xfmedia for me
[08:14] <calc> does do burning/streaming to network devices though
[08:14] <calc> er doesn't
[08:14] <Amaranth> burning will be available in the next release
[08:14] <Amaranth> if you compile from arch source you can have it now
[08:15] <calc> great
[08:15] <Amaranth> streaming to network devices? you mean daap?
[08:15] <Amaranth> That would be handled by iTunesBrower, I think.
[08:15] <Amaranth> If you mean transfering to iPod then gtkpod does that.
[08:15] <Amaranth> If someone would bring them all together it would rock.
[08:15] <jocco>  sudo chmod 1777 /mnt/hdb2 saved my day! now I can save things from blender and Wings! :)
[08:15] <calc> well like to that new airport thing
[08:15] <Amaranth> ah
[08:16] <Amaranth> jon is working on that :)
[08:16] <calc> and also to the newer windows media clients that are being brought out now
[08:16] <Amaranth> you'd know him as dvd-jon, i think
[08:16] <calc> wmp10 has support added to stream to those aiui
[08:16] <plasmo> ahh blender. im still learning to use that :/
[08:16] <calc> Amaranth: ah yea
 be sure to watch the video tutorials at blender.org :)
[08:17] <s0cks> Had to change servers.
[08:17] <Amaranth> him, Daeken, crazney, tlg, and me have all been working on various iTunes related projects
[08:17] <jocco> the new tutorials make learning blender verry easy
[08:17] <plasmo> yeah ill check it out ;)
[08:17] <calc> Amaranth: anyone working on a gnome version of something like nero recode/dvd shrink?
[08:18] <K-Rich> jocco, how long you been using it?
[08:18] <Amaranth> Daeken did the cli client I'm working from, tlg wrote iTMS4j (full iTunes Music Store rendering, adds DRM), jon got us all going with iTunes 4.5 and various other drm things, crazney is working on daap stuff
[08:18] <Amaranth> wow, i'm talking to much
[08:18] <jocco> the blender in the Ubuntu repositories is a very old version of blender, the newest version has a full undo system :)
[08:19] <jocco> I have been useing Blender for about 3 months now
[08:19] <plasmo> mmm 2 months here
[08:19] <jocco> in linux it is much faster :)
[08:19] <K-Rich> jocco, about 6 years here :)
[08:19] <plasmo> using 2.34
[08:19] <K-Rich> jocco, most things are much faster :)
[08:19] <plasmo> :0
[08:19] <netando> how long have you guys been using ubuntu?
[08:19] <K-Rich> i'm using 2.35 CVS
[08:20] <plasmo> 3 months or so
[08:20] <K-Rich> (was suppost to release 2.36 today but linux issues came up)
[08:20] <jocco> really!!!
[08:20] <jocco> ?
[08:20] <jocco> WOOT!
[08:20] <jocco> it has sub surface scattering (SSS) I think...
[08:20] <K-Rich> jocco, most a bug fix release
[08:21] <netando> cool, I'm checking out the live cd right now
[08:21] <calc> ubuntu warty wasn't released until oct but was available as beta before then
[08:21] <jocco> I will have to drop by blenderchat and see if if they got any goodies :)
[08:21] <plasmo> yep preview
[08:21] <K-Rich> jocco, then we start wrking on 2.37 which is gonna be mostly towards the char anim system... looks like we MAY get mocap suport :P  (not defiate though)
[08:22] <netando> I'm trying to get my hands on a copy of the blender gaming pack at chapters right now
[08:22] <jocco> Sweet! I am just learning the animation system, very easy :)
[08:23] <K-Rich> netando, just order from the eshop on blender3d.org
[08:23] <jocco> I come from Truespace 6.6
[08:23] <netando> I like blender
[08:23] <netando> that would probably be alot faster
[08:23] <K-Rich> jocco, i stoped using Maya for Blender... does all i need, and faster/lighter workflow
[08:23] <netando> I can't afford Maya
[08:24] <plasmo> blender was used in the making of spiderman movie :)
[08:24] <krrh> Alright, new approach in this endeavor. The computer I'm trying to use LiveCD with in a Compaq Presario SR1103WM-B. Might anyone know of compatibility issues with this model?
[08:24] <jocco> I like the Idea that after I learn blender, I can teach it to someone else for Free :)
[08:25] <jocco> I am trying to go 100% free software for videogame development and animation for cartoons :)
[08:25] <jocco> Blender has a great toon shader
[08:26] <netando> I'm using the live cd in a averatec laptop, so you should be fine in a Presario
[08:26] <jocco> 64bit?
[08:26] <netando> averatec laptops don't play nice with Linux
[08:26] <jocco> Ah! :)
[08:27] <netando> but my monster was built to run Linux
[08:27] <jocco> :D
[08:27] <netando> and will soon be 64 bit
[08:27] <kebac> what is averatec
[08:27] <jocco> mine too, then I found out about ATI and their hate for linux users
[08:27] <etorix> jocco:  tried LiVES?
[08:28] <netando> averatec is a clone laptop
[08:28] <kebac> ok
[08:28] <jocco> liVES? is that a knoppix type of CD?
[08:28] <jocco> live CD
[08:28] <etorix> nope linux video editing sxxxx
[08:28] <jocco> I have not
[08:28] <jocco> SWEET!
[08:28] <jocco> I must try it :)
[08:28] <etorix> it builds great
[08:28] <jocco> is it in Apt?
[08:29] <etorix> ie u compile it
[08:29] <etorix> nah
[08:29] <jocco> ah :(
[08:29] <etorix> but
[08:29] <etorix> it builds great
[08:29] <etorix> least buggy ting i ever built on linux
[08:29] <etorix> honest
[08:29] <jocco> sweet :)
[08:29] <etorix> yup
[08:29] <netando> right now I'm thinking about changing from Mandrake 10 to ubuntu
[08:30] <netando> I'm a lame noobie too!
[08:30] <calc> ubuntu is much better since its based off debian :)
[08:31] <netando> cool
[08:31] <jocco> Debian is very nice :)
[08:31] <netando> I used debian a while back
[08:31] <Tomcat_> Debian is t3h great. .o
[08:31] <Tomcat_> :o
[08:31] <netando> I like debian
[08:31] <jocco> I like Kanotix and ubuntu
[08:31] <etorix> jocco: http://www.xs4all.nl/~salsaman/lives/
[08:32] <netando> never heard of kanotix
[08:32] <Tomcat_> Debian is the best distro ever... just not the user-friendliest... that's Ubuntu :)
[08:32] <jocco> Thanks, I just googled it :)
[08:32] <netando> I like user friendly too
[08:32] <etorix> im on kanotix .. and debian-amd54 and ubuntu x64
[08:32] <plasmo> dont we all v_v
[08:32] <etorix> cool
[08:32] <netando> I know some folks don't
[08:32] <plasmo> :o!
[08:33] <K-Rich> Tomcat_, awwww... debian can be friendly now, c'mon :P
[08:33] <netando> but I'm also trying to get my family to use Linux too
[08:33] <K-Rich> netando, give them
[08:33] <plasmo> so we all use gnome here. or any kde or xfce users
[08:33] <etorix> yup
[08:33] <Tomcat_> K-Rich: Of course... you just have to install and set everything yourself :)
[08:33] <calc> debian is more user friendly than many dists, wrt upgrade/maintainability
[08:33] <etorix>  im on xfce4 64-bit
[08:33] <K-Rich> Ubuntu CDs for Xmas :)
[08:33] <plasmo> xfce4 here as well >:)
[08:33] <zenwhen> gnome here
[08:33] <arctick> does the ubuntu setup give you the option of not installing x? i dont remeber
[08:33] <etorix> on 64-bit ubuntu?
[08:34] <netando> that sounds like a great idea
[08:34] <zenwhen> :)
[08:34] <netando> ho ho ho!
[08:34] <Tomcat_> Debian is great and all, but I really have problems with the fact that you need hours to get to a state where Ubuntu already is.
[08:34] <K-Rich> Tomcat_, i know, i use side mostly with a hint of experimental
[08:34] <Tomcat_> arctick: Afaik it installs it automatically.
[08:34] <plasmo> i didnt like the xfce file manager tho. so i used nautilus instead lol
[08:34] <arctick> shitty
[08:34] <Tomcat_> I'm not sure if I'd use Ubuntu for a server anyway... :)
[08:35] <K-Rich> plasmo, use the old gmc :D
[08:35] <netando> I need more blank cd's :(
[08:35] <Tomcat_> It's possible, but as user-friendliness is not important for a server I'd rather use Debian. :o
[08:35] <arctick> i need an os to use as a server on a celeron 333, all i need is a ftp server and apache
[08:35] <zenwhen> i do
[08:35] <plasmo> gmc o_o
[08:35] <Tomcat_> arctick: I'd go with Debian testing (Sarge)
[08:35] <xskoulax> arctick, slackware prehaps
[08:35] <K-Rich> plasmo, it was fast :)
[08:35] <arctick> im trying to avoid slackware
[08:35] <plasmo> i got alot of ram for nautilus :P
[08:36] <zenwhen> My router/dns/caching/dhcp server runs fine with ubuntu. :0
[08:36] <jdub> arctick: ubuntu is a fully supported server OS too
[08:36] <K-Rich> arctick, i second Tomcat_'s suggestion
[08:36] <jocco> wow! can lives do flash movies fro free?
[08:36] <jocco> for
[08:36] <jdub> arctick: we just happen to have a kickarse desktop :)
[08:36] <zenwhen> with only 64MB of ram
[08:36] <zenwhen> :o
[08:36] <arctick> think i'll try a net install of debian sarge
[08:37] <arctick> my main system is ubuntu
[08:37] <kipod> helllo and good morning to ya all
[08:37] <xskoulax> morn'n kipod
[08:37] <manou_> morning kipod
[08:37] <netando> well, I think I'll get the install version now, thanks for the help
[08:37] <kipod> does someone knows whats the name of the next relese if ubuntu ?
[08:37] <xskoulax> horay
[08:37] <jdub> kipod: hoary hedgehog
[08:37] <kipod> ^^ thanks ppl
[08:37] <K-Rich> jdub, i do like the tweaks to gnome in ubuntu :)
[08:37] <netando> everyone seems to like using it
[08:38] <xskoulax> netando, ubuntu is a fantastic distro
[08:38] <netando> so see y'all later
[08:38] <netando> cool
[08:38] <xskoulax> cya have a good night
[08:38] <K-Rich> seems a bit behind on some packages, though most debian based distros are
[08:38] <K-Rich> including debian lol
[08:38] <memoryleak> hi
[08:39] <plasmo> ahlo
[08:39] <xskoulax> hi
[08:39] <memoryleak> what is the standard root password after the installation of ubuntu ?
[08:39] <K-Rich> poof, now i know who you are lol
[08:40] <calc> K-Rich: run hoary its pretty bleeding edge
[08:40] <calc> python 2.4 gnome 2.9.3
[08:40] <jdub> memoryleak: there is no root password, the account is disabled.
[08:40] <Skippy> from blenderchat?
[08:40] <plasmo> memoryleak: ubuntu uses sudo
[08:40] <jdub> memoryleak: see the RootSudo page on the wiki
[08:40] <K-Rich> Skippy, yeah
[08:40] <K-Rich> calc, oh? is it stable? also can i downgrade (need python 2.3)
[08:41] <Skippy> I think you talked me into downloading warty the other  day thankyou
[08:41] <Skippy> I love this distro so far :)
[08:41] <calc> K-Rich: well you seemed to be complaining that debian and ubuntu were too out of date for you ;)
[08:41] <calc> there is python 2.3 in hoary as well though
[08:41] <calc> doesn't crash too much, maybe not at all on x86
[08:42] <K-Rich> calc would you say it is equally as stable as sid on debian >
[08:42] <calc> i really need to get seb128 a bt on the weather crasher
[08:42] <calc> K-Rich: seems to be to me
[08:42] <crimsun> hoary seems fine.
[08:42] <K-Rich> calc, sweet.... downloading now
[08:42] <memoryleak> jdub, plasmo - ok thanks, i will boot the installation again
[08:42] <memoryleak> cu
[08:42] <plasmo> cya
[08:42] <crimsun> there are some teething pains, but that's expected.
[08:42] <calc> K-Rich: just get the mini.iso and install it over network ;)
[08:42] <crimsun> even hoary+sid+experimental works fine.
[08:42] <crimsun> warty itself is great.
[08:42] <calc> then you can upgrade each day ;)
[08:43] <K-Rich> crimsun, you mean i can mix & match them?
[08:44] <crimsun> K-Rich: you can, but you're totally on your own.
[08:44] <K-Rich> calc: or not...learned that lesson the hard way....
[08:44] <crimsun> K-Rich: (e.g., don't ask for help in here ;)
[08:44] <jdub> strongly discourage mixing packages
[08:44] <Amaranth> gtk.ListStore is kicking my ass :/
[08:44] <maximaus> evenin' all, can one run xfree with Hoary instead of Xorg? (works better with my i810 onboard)
[08:45] <Amaranth> maximaus: sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[08:45] <calc> yea a newbie probably shouldn't run unstable on debian or ubuntu ;)
[08:45] <maximaus> :D
[08:45] <calc> it could easily break your machine and you wouldn't be able to recover it
[08:46] <kipod> can someone tell me whats the player name in this picture plz ...http://www.osnews.com/img/9097/ubuntu2.jpg
[08:46] <etorix> hmm .. i seem to have an inordinate quantity of pythons installed
[08:46] <kipod> its look like  a cool player
[08:47] <pepsi> isnt ctrl-z EOF?"
[08:47] <Amaranth> kipod: No idea, I thought for sure it was going to be muine. ;)
[08:48] <K-Rich> calc, not quite a newbie now, been win free for going on 2 years... but still don't know everything :P
[08:48] <decklin> pepsi, in windows it is. in linux, ctrl-d
[08:48] <arctick> hmm... is it imposible to do a net install of debian sarge? i'm not finding the boot disks anywhere, just the woody ones
[08:48] <calc> K-Rich: ok
[08:48] <crimsun> arctick: use the debian-installer RC
[08:48] <kipod> Amaranth, ;) say do u know how they made this WindowDropSadow?
[08:48] <lukins> arctick, did once look for testing version
[08:48] <crimsun> arctick: that will pull in Sarge
[08:49] <lukins> arctick, i would recommend the cd disk1 for sarge, much faster in my opinion
[08:49] <Amaranth> kipod: new in xorg, it's really neat
[08:49] <Amaranth> kipod: it's composite and xcompmgr
[08:50] <lukins> has anyone been able to mount ntfs from ubuntu?
[08:50] <calc> yes
[08:50] <kipod> Amaranth, the new realse is on Xorg?
[08:50] <etorix> kipod : thats xfmedia from xfce4
[08:50] <maximaus> nfts=easy
[08:50] <Amaranth> kipod: the shadows stuff is
[08:50] <Amaranth> etorix: heh, figures
[08:50] <etorix> the player
[08:50] <maximaus> lukins, just edit your /etc/fstab
[08:50] <Amaranth> btw, that screenshot shows they are using the gtk-qt theme engine (ick)
[08:50] <Amaranth> it uses QT to render GTK widgets
[08:50] <kipod> how do i activate this WindowDropShadow?
[08:50] <lukins> maximaus, i've been editing it al day
[08:50] <calc> though the system i did that on didn't use the standard ubuntu kernel for other reasons (the ide driver was borked)
[08:51] <etorix> yup .. its good .. simple .. sees my itunes folder etc
[08:51] <K-Rich> anywho... night all
[08:51] <lukins> maximaus can you share your ntfs line?
[08:51] <maximaus> certainly, let me grab it...
[08:51] <calc> i just did: mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt
[08:52] <calc> but then i didn't want it to mount every time the system booted
[08:52] <maximaus> lukins, my XP drive is the "master" so I added this to fstab:
[08:52] <maximaus> dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[08:55] <Skippy> http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
[08:55] <Skippy> I tried to compile this the other day
[08:55] <Skippy> wait not compile
[08:56] <roRy> what package do i use with dpkg-reconfigure to get mouse autodetection?
[08:56] <Skippy> useing alien and converting RPM
[08:56] <lukins> maximaus thanks, let me try that
[08:57] <maximaus> lukins, hope it works. :D
[08:59] <etorix> kipod .. got xcompmng and transset?
[08:59] <etorix> xcompmgr*
[09:02] <roRy> anyone???
[09:02] <roRy> like "dpkg-reconfigure XFree86" or something
[09:02] <kipod> etorix,  thanks for the care i m still upgradding to Hoary
[09:02] <etorix> ok .. i have a line for them shadows ..
[09:03] <etorix> its a xorg toy
[09:03] <kipod> etorix, though i m still looking for some guides about it .... may b u know some guides?
[09:03] <etorix> hmm
[09:03] <etorix> no .. just ask i guess .. xorg is a freedesktop ting ..
[09:04] <kipod> then may u can tell me how can i add DropShasow?
[09:04] <kipod> SHADOW*
[09:04] <spacey`stage> is that shadow stuff stable?
[09:04] <etorix> sec
[09:05] <kipod> as far as i read it is
[09:05] <etorix> apt-get install libxcomposite1 libxrender1 libxfixes3 libxdamage1
[09:05] <etorix> apt-get update && apt-get install xcompmgr
[09:05] <kipod> there is still a problem with the trens
[09:05] <etorix> thenuke: xcompmgr -cCfF -r7 -o.65 -l-10 -t-8 -D7 &
[09:05] <etorix> and stand well back
[09:06] <kipod> is it for me ? etorix
[09:06] <etorix> yup
[09:06] <etorix> all that
[09:06] <kipod> thanks
[09:06] <kipod> lemme copy paste is cuse i m still upgradeing
[09:06] <etorix> heh
[09:07] <etorix> you need to enable the composite or so extension  in xorg.conf .. im not sure ubuntu doesnt do it
[09:08] <kipod> humm.... thanks I think i can handel it from here though i don't have an i deal how i shall do it
[09:09] <GregoryD> anyone ever have any problems with the audio going out after installing KDE?  I lost mine as soon as I switched into KDE from gnome, and now it won't work in gnome either
[09:09] <kipod> GregoryD, did u used dmis?
[09:09] <kipod> dmix**
[09:09] <GregoryD> nope
[09:10] <kipod> =\ hum ... then it never happend to me ...
[09:10] <GregoryD> I didn't know whether I broke it by fiddling around or what, so I uninstalled and reinstalled again... same thing happened
[09:11] <etorix> have u arts enabled?
[09:12] <GregoryD> arts?
[09:12] <etorix> in kcontrol
[09:12] <arctick> is it possible to get nautilus to erase a cdrw?
[09:13] <GregoryD> I never changed any options in kcontrol, if that's what you mean
[09:13] <etorix> well go thru it
[09:13] <etorix> all
[09:14] <etorix> i always turn arts off in kcontrol
[09:15] <arctick> can anyone tell me how to erase a cdrw
[09:16] <GregoryD> where is arts in kcontrol?
[09:16] <etorix> in sound and multimedia
[09:17] <etorix> if you use kde go thru the entire list of stuff in kcontrol
[09:17] <etorix> all of it
[09:18] <etorix> ubuntu is set up for gnome
[09:19] <GregoryD> well, I just went through the entire list, and I don't see arts
[09:21] <etorix> sound and multimedia>enable the sound system
[09:21] <GregoryD> yeah, sound system is enabled
[09:21] <etorix> i turn it OFF
[09:21] <GregoryD> ah, okay
[09:22] <etorix> then restart x
[09:22] <etorix> and check yer volumes etc
[09:22] <GregoryD> alright... I'll try that
[09:28] <Skippy> here is the DEB for a nice looking video editor
[09:28] <Skippy> http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/pentium4/
[09:28] <Skippy> cinlerra
[09:33] <etorix> hmm .. dsc files ..
[09:33] <etorix> could try a amd64 build ..
[09:35] <mike_douglas> I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers on a hoary system but I'm getting errors regarding /etc/x11/xorg.conf or /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum missing from the system (when I run nvidia-glx-config enable). Anyway around this?
[09:35] <aquarius> If I have an icon mon my desktop for a plugged in hardware device like an iRiver, which is /media/sda1, is there any way I can do "mount -o remount,rw /media/sda1" from the GUI?
[09:40] <roRy> how can i find out the device i should use for my mouse?
[09:40] <roRy> i have a ps2 mouse plugged into ps2 port
[09:40] <roRy> but it moves very erratically
[09:40] <roRy> keeps returning to bottom left
[09:41] <roRy> clicks by itself etc
[09:41] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, i'm having problems burning a cd using cdrecod. I keep getting this error message "cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[09:41] <Mojo_Jojo> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.
[09:41] <Mojo_Jojo> cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'.
[09:41] <Mojo_Jojo> cdrecord:
[09:41] <Mojo_Jojo> cdrecord: For more information, install the cdrtools-doc
[09:41] <Mojo_Jojo> cdrecord: package and read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup ."
[09:41] <aquarius> roRy, that doesn't sound like you're using the wrong device, it sounds like you've got the wrong mouse protocol set.
[09:41] <aquarius> Mojo_Jojo, did you try "sudo cdrecord -scanbus"?
[09:42] <Mojo_Jojo> yup and it gives me that error
[09:42] <roRy> err... ok, mouse protocol?
[09:42] <aquarius> Mojo_Jojo, try "sudo su", and then, as root, do "cdrecord -scanbus".
[09:42] <crimsun> Mojo_Jojo: what device is your burner?
[09:43] <roRy> "Driver" is "mouse"
[09:43] <TTilus> howdy, how do i gain more control over gnome panels and applitudes?
[09:43] <Mojo_Jojo> I still get the same error, I have no clue a slimtype something haha it's a laptop :)
[09:43] <crimsun> Mojo_Jojo: how is it connected?
[09:43] <aquarius> roRy, does it have a mouse wheel?
[09:44] <Mojo_Jojo> humm I guess it would be "built-in"?:S
[09:44] <aquarius> roRy, what's the "Protocol" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
[09:44] <TTilus> i have a debian stable box too, w gnome 1.4 (or something like that) and ive go whole a lot of more config options for panels and suchathings
[09:44] <Mojo_Jojo> i'm on my laptop which is an Averatec 6100
[09:45] <roRy> aquarius, no, no wheel
[09:45] <Mojo_Jojo> I really need to get it working because I need it for school in the morning :(
[09:45] <crimsun> TTilus: come again?
[09:45] <TTilus> crimsun: ?
[09:45] <crimsun> TTilus: I have no idea what you're asking
[09:45] <roRy> i dont see "Protocol" (in "InputDevice" section)
[09:45] <aquarius> roRy, is there an Option "Protocol"?
[09:45] <roRy> oh wait
[09:46] <roRy> ImPS/2
[09:46] <crimsun> Mojo_Jojo: is it connected via parallel port? usb? internally?
[09:46] <crimsun> Mojo_Jojo: look carefully at `dmesg'
[09:46] <Mojo_Jojo> internally
[09:46] <roRy> maybe i should comment out the zaxismapping too
[09:47] <ChunkAhoy> Hello.  i had problems installing Debian on my PC.  i was wondering if Ubuntu suports A7N8X motherboards ?
[09:47] <Mojo_Jojo> what am I looking for?
[09:47] <aquarius> roRy, that might be the problem. ImPS/2 is for wheel mice, pretty much. That should probably be "PS/2".
[09:47] <kipod> dudes i must ask u some thingy ... do u know how can i localize my system ?
[09:47] <Mojo_Jojo> I found this hdc: Slimtype DVDRW SDW-431S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[09:47] <TTilus> gnome desktop, right click a panel, select properties and - whoa - i see panel configuration dialog having propably 1/4 of the options i get to change in gnome 1.4 (my debian stable box)
[09:48] <vIkSiT> hmm.. can anyone see this?
[09:48] <TTilus> where are the rest?
[09:48] <vIkSiT> not sure if my connection's dead, or the channel is!
[09:48] <crimsun> Mojo_Jojo: good. Now tell me what device it is.
[09:48] <aquarius> vIkSiT, yes, it can be seen.
[09:48] <TTilus> vIkSiT: at least i do
[09:48] <crimsun> Mojo_Jojo: /dev/hd?
[09:48] <Mojo_Jojo> hdc
[09:49] <crimsun> Mojo_Jojo: so you'll be using `cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc ...'
[09:49] <roRy> okay thanks aquarius
[09:49] <Mojo_Jojo> ok i'll try
[09:49] <roRy> its moot now though.... person whose mouse i was borrowing came to office and now mouseless :/
[09:49] <ChunkAhoy> nobody knows if Ubuntu suports A7n8x ?
[09:50] <aquarius> ChunkAhoy, I don't know, certainly :)
[09:50] <Mojo_Jojo> yay thanks crimsun :D:D:D you just saved me
[09:50] <crimsun> ChunkAhoy: look on Google
[09:50] <ChunkAhoy> i just did,  i can't find
[09:50] <ChunkAhoy> :(
[09:51] <aquarius> What is it that mounts hotplugged devices in /media?
[09:51] <crimsun> ChunkAhoy: what is "A7n8x?"
[09:51] <crimsun> ChunkAhoy: a motherboard model?
[09:51] <ChunkAhoy> i'm really having a hard time installing a linux distribution on that motherboard
[09:51] <xskoulax> its an asus mobo
[09:51] <ChunkAhoy> yes,  its the model
[09:51] <ChunkAhoy> in based on the nforce2 chipset
[09:51] <ChunkAhoy> its based
[09:51] <crimsun> ChunkAhoy: then it works fine.
[09:52] <Mojo_Jojo> can cdrecord burn dvds???
[09:52] <ChunkAhoy> are you 100% positive crimson,  cause Debian doesnt suport it
[09:52] <ChunkAhoy> just want to be sure
[09:52] <crimsun> ChunkAhoy: of course Debian supports it.
[09:52] <crimsun> ChunkAhoy: a nice 2.6 kernel with forcedeth (network), snd-intel8x0 (sound), nvidia drivers (graphics)
[09:52] <ChunkAhoy> no it doesnt,   you have to get through this to set up Debian on the A7n8x http://www.neuro-tech.net/archives/000244.html
[09:52] <ChunkAhoy> pain in the ass
[09:53] <ChunkAhoy> oh
[09:53] <ChunkAhoy> why is Debian NetInstall crashing all the time at different places than  :(
[09:53] <aquarius> Ah, /etc/hal/device.d/fstab-update.hal updates the fstab and chooses a device name.
[09:54] <Mojo_Jojo> does anyone know what happend to the k3b howto that was on the ubuntu wiki?
[09:54] <crimsun> Mojo_Jojo: you want 'dvd+rw-tools'
[09:54] <Mojo_Jojo> ok :)
[09:54] <ChunkAhoy> well,  i'll give a try with Ubuntu Crimson,   thx for the help.
[09:54] <crimsun> np.
[09:55] <ChunkAhoy> oh,  one last thing  ,  is there a ubuntu net install ?
[09:55] <crimsun> no
[09:55] <crimsun> use woody or sarge netinstall, then dist-upgrade to warty
[09:55] <Ear3ndil> hi
[09:56] <Mojo_Jojo> hi :)
[09:56] <ChunkAhoy> ok, thx,  bbl
[10:06] <GregoryD> heh, oh well, still no sound
[10:36] <etorix> hmm
[10:36] <etorix> Removing nvidia-glx ...
[10:36] <etorix> dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to
[10:36] <etorix>  when removing `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/X11R6/lib32/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx'
[10:37] <etorix> found `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/X11R6/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx'
[10:39] <etorix> dpkg-divert eh
[10:39] <etorix> NOTES
[10:39] <etorix>        When adding, default is --local and --divert <original>.distrib.   When
[10:39] <etorix>        removing, --package or --local and --divert must match if specified.
[10:39] <etorix> gah
[10:40] <crimsun> are you using current hoary?
[10:40] <crimsun> (e.g., xorg is ..8?)
[10:40] <etorix> x64 hoary
[10:41] <crimsun> there are some symlink issues temporarily, but I don't think they affect xlibmesa
[10:41] <etorix> what version do you want ?
[10:42] <crimsun> for x86_64? no idea
[10:42] <crimsun> the one I'm referring to is in bugzilla
[10:43] <crimsun> but I don't believe it's related to what you're quoting
[10:43] <etorix> /usr/X11R6/lib32/ vs /usr/X11R6/lib/
[10:45] <RuffianSoldier> i wish I could get this damn sound problem resolved :-/
[10:45] <etorix> glx aint loading  .. soi was following a wiki howto and getting a amd64-k8 kernel  ..
[10:48] <PotajiTo> wenas
[10:53] <Adrenal> how do i install xchat plugins?
[10:56] <Adrenal> anybody?
[10:56] <Adrenal> join #xchat
[11:03] <wood1> Hi to all
[11:04] <wood1> good to be back at #ubuntu
[11:04] <martin_> welcome back :)
[11:04] <wood1> thanks
[11:04] <wood1> so how is Hoary ?
[11:04] <wood1> Any problems in Hoary
[11:05] <martin_> ( im new here, 5 days )
[11:05] <martin_> sorry, dont know what you're talking bout :)
[11:08] <xskoulax> how ya doing martin_
[11:09] <beezly> does hoary support intalling to root raid yet?
[11:10] <memoryleak> hi
[11:10] <kipod> hello
[11:13] <wood1> Does somebody know how much space GMplayer takes ??
[11:14] <kipod> 9m more or less
[11:14] <wood1> Just 9 MB
[11:14] <wood1> I mean the graphical version of Mplayer
[11:16] <etorix> hmm .. ok ive broken x again
[11:16] <roRy> is there a tool i can use to benchmark disk performance?
[11:16] <roRy> preferably command line
[11:16] <etorix> i tihink i might back up some configs an reinstall a base
[11:17] <housetier> roRy sysstat or so
[11:17] <roRy> ta
[11:17] <wood1> How do I remove the GNOME Desktop and install xfce ?
[11:18] <wood1> How much space do I get in return ?
[11:18] <wood1> By the way, how do I use bit torrent ?
[11:19] <wood1> Amaranth, do you have some ideas ?
[11:19] <memoryleak> wood1: i removed gnome, and installed xfc4 5 minutes ago
[11:19] <memoryleak> wood1: :)
[11:19] <wood1> Wow, that's great
[11:20] <wood1> How much space did you get free ?
[11:20] <wood1> after that ?
[11:20] <etorix> i bet that took the neighbors out
[11:21] <memoryleak> eh, i don't know, but it should be about 30 MB or more
[11:22] <wood1> Just 30 MB
[11:22] <wood1> memoryleak, how do you access the debian apps menu in xfce4 ?
[11:23] <vegai> are there floppies or a minimal install CD for ubuntu?
[11:23] <etorix> theres a debian menu on ubuntu?
[11:23] <memoryleak> vegai: ther is an option to install a minimal version of ubuntu
[11:23] <vegai> I'm on a 256Kb/s connection, and it takes a while to dl the whole >500MB image...
[11:23] <memoryleak> wood1: to the debian menu, i do not access
[11:24] <memoryleak> vegai: yes, that's true
[11:24] <wood1> memory, how do you get the applications menu when you right right on the empty desktop in XFCE ?
[11:24] <vegai> memoryleak: is that my only option?
[11:24] <vegai> (downloading the large ISO)
[11:24] <etorix> no .. you can debootstrap it
[11:24] <wood1> Well you can download the 180 Debian ISO Image
[11:25] <wood1> 180 MB Debian ISO Image
[11:25] <etorix> theres howtos in the wiki
[11:25] <vegai> hmm. Will the system be the same?
[11:25] <wood1> Well almost
[11:25] <wood1> Just change your /etc/apt/sources.list and update and upgrade
[11:25] <memoryleak> wood1: but there is the xfce4-panel
[11:25] <tuxJr_14> hi
[11:25] <vegai> right....
[11:26] <memoryleak> wood1: yes
[11:26] <vegai> I'll try that, thanks
[11:26] <etorix> netinstall sarge and distupgrade and so on
[11:26] <wood1> Well memory, do you see all the applications installed from that panel in XFCE ?
[11:27] <memoryleak> wood1: no, there is no menu like in gnome
[11:27] <vegai> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto/view?searchterm=floppy ;)
[11:27] <wood1> But how do you get the applications list in XFCE ?
[11:27] <etorix> or in debian
[11:27] <wood1> I used to see it before
[11:27] <etorix> it says there is ..i aint got it to work yet tho
[11:27] <martin_> ppl, im having trouble understanding what are relative paths.. im studying the linux documentation project but still dont understand
[11:28] <memoryleak> but if you installed the xfce4-minicmd-plugin you can just enter the command
[11:28] <tuxJr_14> just right click on the desktop in xfce
[11:28] <wood1> Well I have that command option
[11:28] <wood1> I want to see the applications menu list like that in Fluxbox
[11:28] <wood1> in XFCE too
[11:28] <etorix> in ubuntu?
[11:28] <etorix> doesnt work for me
[11:28] <etorix> theres a run
[11:29] <roRy> anyone know the default XDMCP udp port to listen on?
[11:29] <memoryleak> wood1: i don't know a menu like you want
[11:31] <wood1> Memory, you know how to create a Menu to list all the installed applications in XFCE ?
[11:34] <roRy> nevermind... answer is 177 for future reference
[11:36] <memoryleak> wood1: no
[11:36] <memoryleak> wood1: you can costumize your panel
[11:37] <memoryleak> wood1: and add your preffered apps
[11:37] <wood1> Ok
[11:37] <wood1> You said that you only got 30 MB after removing GNOME 2.8
[11:37] <wood1> But XFCE occupies almost 30 MB too
[11:38] <memoryleak> wood1: i said i don't remember how much, i only guess ..
[11:38] <memoryleak> wood1: one moment, i can tell you how much
[11:38] <wood1> Which command did you use to remove GNOME: ?
[11:39] <memoryleak> wood1: more than 60 MB but it can be much more
[11:40] <wood1> How did you remove your GNOME: apt-get remove ???
[11:40] <memoryleak> wood1: first, i added new sources to the sources.list and then
[11:40] <memoryleak> wood1: apt-get --purge remove gnome-desktop-environment
[11:41] <sii> anyone have any tips on using keychain instead of the plain ssh-agent with gnome/ubuntu?
[11:43] <wood1> memory, do you know other programs which we can safely remove? you see my harddisk is almost 95 % full
[11:43] <memoryleak> wood1: all that gnome-*
[11:44] <wood1> Well anything which does not affect the system
[11:44] <memoryleak> wood1: i don't know what you need, and what not
[11:45] <memoryleak> wood1: first remove gnome-desktop-environment and gnome-*
[11:45] <wood1> Well I just need Emacs and Openoffice and of course a browser
[11:45] <memoryleak> wood1: you can remove late other packages
[11:45] <memoryleak> later
[11:45] <wood1> plus Evolution
[11:45] <kipod> does any one here have problem with gDesklets on hoary ?
[11:46] <memoryleak> wood1: ok, then you can also remove gaim, xchat and so on
[11:46] <wood1> If I remove vim, it seems to affect the Ubuntu-Base system packages
[11:46] <memoryleak> wood1: you should not do that if that affects the base
[11:46] <roRy> why would you want to remove vim?
[11:47] <wood1> Well I don't like Vim, I prefer Emacs over Vi
[11:47] <memoryleak> wood1: dpkg -l | grep gnome
[11:47] <siretart> wood1: try debfoster
[11:48] <samsouk> vim doesn't save history or position in file : anyone?
[11:48] <memoryleak> wood1: than pick the packagas, but don't remove the lib*
[11:48] <wood1> Can't we see the size of the packages ?
[11:50] <wood1> I have a lot of MP3 files
[11:50] <wood1> But the problem is that I can't play them over the network if I move it to the other Network PCs'
[11:51] <squareyes> Evening all
[11:51] <wood1> Can't we play movies and MP3s without copying it to our local hard disk in Ubuntu ?
[11:51] <wood1> Memoryleak
[11:51] <wood1> over the network
[11:52] <vegai> hmh... I will need an alsa-driver from CVS for my soundcard to work. Will this be tough to do in Ubuntu?
[11:52] <vegai> I mean, do I have to do a lot of work to run around the package management?
[11:52] <quazimop> just downloading the amd64 port since debian's amd64 cds only come in netinstall/netboot and error out on me, is there a seperate channel for the amd64bit port, or do i ask my amd64 questions in here?
[11:53] <Palle> how do i install Grub?? i can't understand the manual
[11:53] <wood1> What do you mean by installing GRUB
[11:53] <quazimop> there's quite a few grub howto's and guides out there, google ;)
[11:54] <wood1> you mean from the Ubuntu CD ?
[11:54] <Palle> i've installed windows so my Grub got uninstalled somehpw
[11:55] <wood1> Well use the Ubuntu CD
[11:55] <Palle> yeah i use the live cd and mount my / partition and chroot
[11:56] <Palle> the install-cd?
[11:56] <Aoi> hello, I'm having trouble with Xorg + nvidia on Hoary. It was everything okay running good, but 3 boot later resolution got messy and just show 640x480 resolution (I've checked /etc/X11/Xorg.conf but it seems X is ignoring this file). Please I'm stuck, help me!
[11:56] <squareyes> For the last week have been trying to get Deb3.0r2 install to work
[11:57] <squareyes> how does Ubuntu compare regarding install probs
[11:57] <wood1> Ubuntu is like installing Windows 2000
[11:59] <squareyes> had probs with XFree, dial up, you name it still not fixed, am using Knoppix CD for an operating system.
[11:59] <wood1> So how do I play MP3s and Movies from my Network ?
[11:59] <wood1> What kind of problems with XFree
[11:59] <squareyes> does Ubuntu use aptget the same as Deb?
[11:59] <wood1> I use Ubuntu in my home PC with Dial-up
[12:00] <wood1> sure man
[12:00] <wood1> Ubuntu apt-get is 100% same as Debian
[12:00] <squareyes> copyed file from Knoppix CD to get it X to work
[12:00] <squareyes> coldn't find a screen
[12:02] <wood1> What went wrong when you installed Ubuntu ?
[12:02] <wood1> Did you get pass everything from the CD ?
[12:03] <quazimop> Has anyone had any experience with installing Ubuntu base, changing the sources.list to point to pure64/sid (debian amd64 port) and using that?
[12:03] <squareyes> havn't tried it yet, thats why I am asking , the file XF86Config-4
[12:05] <samsouk> viminfo problem solved:  sudo vim --> creates .viminfo in my home / belongs to root
[12:06] <samsouk> I don't understand sudo behaviour
[12:06] <decklin> maybe you want sudo -H
[12:07] <kipod> does not hoary based on xorg?
[12:07] <kipod> i just upgraded and i can't find the xog.conf files....
[12:07] <samsouk> decklin: that's it! thanks
[12:08] <xskoulax> anyone know how well 4g ipods work with ubuntu?
[12:10] <PotajiTo> wenas
[12:14] <Aoi> kipod, /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[12:14] <kipod> its not there..... Aoi
[12:14] <Aoi> mine is here, run xorgconfig
[12:15] <kipod> Aoi,  i just note that x-window-system-core wasn't installed .... so i m installing it now
[12:16] <etorix> make a copy of xf86config-4 an call it xorg.conf
[12:16] <etorix> or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:16] <Aoi> kipod, had you started internet update at installation time?
[12:17] <kipod> Aoi,  no.... and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not work ... -=
[12:17] <kipod> =\
[12:17] <Aoi> hm weird
[12:17] <kipod> okay my bad  i shoulld have run it as root
[12:17] <Aoi> I was running hoary pretty well, today nvidia resolution got messy
[12:19] <kipod> what  is  keyboard variant ?
[12:19] <etorix> heg .. my x is b0rked in hoary
[12:24] <findeton> hi !+
[12:24] <findeton> anyone configured freenx for ubuntu here?
[12:24] <findeton> I've tried with kanopix repository, but got nxclient and other failed deps
[12:25] <findeton> then I've removed that repository, and added Ubuntu-backports,
[12:25] <findeton> which  despite being supossed to have freenx, my apt doesn't found any package
[12:27] <findeton> toc toc, noone alive ?  :)
[12:27] <housetier> many are alive
[12:28] <samsouk> at least two of us :)
[12:30] <findeton> then we're three ! :)
[12:30] <Dekkard> gweather applet is now a crash machine on hoary
[12:31] <findeton> hey, doing an apt-get update I'm getting a lot of:
[12:31] <findeton> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[12:31] <findeton>   Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0). - connect (113 No route to host)
[12:32] <findeton> it's me or it's the servers fault?
[12:33] <housetier> it seems the host name isnt resolved correctly
[12:33] <samsouk> findeton: is your network setting ok ?
[12:33] <housetier> 1.0.0.0 doesn't look sensible to me
[12:33] <samsouk> findeton:  host archive.ubuntu.com
[12:34] <findeton> archive.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.138
[12:34] <samsouk> findeton: that's good
[12:34] <samsouk> ping ?
[12:34] <findeton> 64 bytes from archive.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.138): icmp_seq=1 ttl=48 time=78.0 ms
[12:35] <findeton> it's kinda weird isn't it..?
[12:35] <samsouk> findeton: so your route is ok
[12:35] <findeton> it seems apt's fault..?
[12:37] <findeton> bah
[12:37] <findeton> now it works
[12:37] <findeton> :-?
[12:41] <findeton> well, anyway
[12:41] <findeton> nayone using ubuntu-backports here?
[12:42] <findeton> a few minutes ago I saw a webpage when entering in http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[12:42] <findeton> now I see a directory listing - o_O
[12:43] <findeton> (or is it me, that I'm seeing ilusions? :P)
[12:44] <MoofyXmas> findeton: I see a webpage
[12:44] <findeton> oh, now I can see a webpage
[12:45] <findeton> MoofyXmas: I was really seeing a directory listing, belive me or not hehehe
[12:45] <findeton> and http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ was not working, temporally
[12:46] <PotajiTo> wenas
[12:46] <llun_ved> Anyone here use a USB flashdrive with Ubuntu?
[12:46] <findeton> PotajiTo: hey!
[12:47] <roRy> heh, ubuntu on usb?
[12:47] <findeton> PotajiTo: si quieres tenemos tambin un canal irc en espaol,
[12:47] <findeton> es #ubuntu-es
[12:49] <llun_ved> I would install Ubuntu from CD. Then I would try to use my USB flashdrive. It never recognizes. It's the only thing that keeps me from jumping from Slackware to Ubuntu.
[12:50] <findeton> ++!#?`*, the repositories are behaving crazy...!
[12:51] <PotajiTo> .. llun_ved for using the usb flashdrive I booted with knoppix then connect it, copy the fstab and add it to ubuntu xD it worked
[12:53] <findeton> something strange happening here
[12:53] <findeton> samsouk
[12:53] <findeton> samsouk: I think I know where the problem is
[12:54] <Ilici> hi, i'm new to ubuntu and i'm having a problem with FAT32 disks - when i mount them, in nautilus i can't do anything with the files or dirs, and they all show size 0
[12:54] <Ilici> i can browse the files using the shell though
[12:54] <findeton> samsouk: it must be something related to my modem-router (which is a shit that doesn't support ipv6 so I had to disable it, etc)
[12:54] <findeton> it must be something related to that, becuase now when I try to access to http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ I see google webpage
[12:55] <findeton> that must mean something hehe
[12:55] <findeton> I can go, for example, to http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/imghp?hl=es&tab=wi&q= if Want to search images
[12:55] <findeton> (in google)
[12:55] <Potaje> wenas
[12:56] <findeton> re
[12:56] <Kyaneos> wenas
[12:59] <Ilici> hm, anyone ?
[12:59] <findeton> hm?
[01:00] <Ilici> i'm having a problem with FAT32 disks - when i mount them, in nautilus i can't do anything with the files or dirs, and they all show size 0
[01:00] <roRy> install debian
[01:01] <Ilici> i've tried debian, but it was too much a hassle to update everything to the newest versions
[01:02] <samsouk> findeton: maybe your ISP is proxying you ?
[01:03] <kipod> how  can i m run this command evry bootup ?xcompmgr -c &?
[01:03] <samsouk> findeton: anyway, you don't need ipv6, you can desactivate it
[01:05] <cenerentola> will k3b break any package?
[01:05] <cenerentola> i mean if i install it
[01:07] <mjr> kipod, you don't want to run it every bootup, but on your X-session; add it in desktop preferences/sessions
[01:07] <cenerentola> mjr: do you know what files does that program change?
[01:08] <kipod> mjr,  thanks man ... can u tell how i do that plz
[01:14] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:14] <kipod> hello
[01:14] <kipod> WellCome
[01:15] <da_bon_bon> i know there are many fedora vs. ubuntu out there, but can anyone give me personal handson opinion?
[01:15] <roRy> ubuntu sux0rz
[01:16] <da_bon_bon> roRy: why so?
[01:19] <findeton> kipod: did you solve the problem?
[01:19] <afonit> do any of you guys know that image viewing program that Novell is creating?
[01:20] <kipod> findeton,  NO .... i m still looking at google
[01:21] <wood1> How do I play MP3s and movies from a Network ?
[01:21] <kipod> under  X-session .... i don't find what i m looking for but i found some nice thingys .... do u think u can help findeton  ?
[01:21] <wood1> Amaranth, any ideas how do I play MP3s and Movies over a Network ?
[01:21] <wood1> Treenaks, are you there?
[01:21] <wood1> Crimsun ???
[01:23] <tsw> wood1: mount the network drive and use it as usually...
[01:23] <afonit> woodl: check out VideoLAN, you need to have a broadcast point
[01:24] <roRy> da_bon_bon, nautilus + smb is b0rked
[01:24] <memoryleak> cu
[01:25] <afonit> wood1:  http://www.videolan.org/
[01:29] <Pozac> hey :)
[01:30] <Pozac> How can I go about changing the size of the mouse cursor at runtime?
[01:30] <wood1> what's the exact command syntax to mount Network PCs ?
[01:31] <Pozac> what's the exact Network PC?
[01:31] <congyu> How to use p2p program?
[01:31] <wood1> Well there are both Windows NT PCs and Ubuntu PCs
[01:31] <wood1> on the network
[01:32] <Pozac> congyu, which?
[01:32] <kipod> can someone plz could tell me how can i add a command to the session startup .... ?
[01:32] <Pozac> wood1, can't you just browse them or add them as network places? :)
[01:33] <congyu> sorry
[01:33] <Pozac> congyu, there are several available
[01:34] <Pozac> kipod, I'm not sure what the best way is - try adding a ~/.gnomerc file with the command in it
[01:34] <kipod> port7,  thanks man
[01:35] <Pozac> np :)
[01:35] <wood1> Pozac, I can browse over the Network
[01:36] <wood1> But I play the MP3s and Movies over the Network. I have to copy them locally on my  hard disk
[01:36] <Pozac> wood1, if you use a gnome-vfs compatible player, you should be able to play them remotely
[01:37] <Pozac> otherwise, it's something like mount -t smbfs //host/share /mnt/point
[01:37] <Pozac> possibly mount -t smbfs ////host//share /mnt/point
[01:38] <wood1> Well how do I create a share in GNOME share in Ubuntu ?
[01:38] <Pozac> wood1, Applications -> System -> Shares
[01:39] <wood1> I don't have the Shares in Applications>Systems ???
[01:39] <Pozac> hmm
[01:39] <Pozac> just a sec
[01:40] <Quazion> for some reason when i upload pictures tru gnome-vfs they get corrupted
[01:41] <Quazion> when i upload them with normal commandline ftp everything is fine
[01:41] <Pozac> wood1, Sorry, I've been using Hoary for too long already :( it seems you will be have to edit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[01:43] <Pozac> wood1, make sure the samba package is installed if haven't already :)
[01:46] <wood1> It is installed
[01:47] <wood1> Pozac , what's next ?
[01:49] <wood1> How do I create a Samba Share of a particular folder in /home/Username ???
[01:50] <LucaBrasi> can ya use synaptic to auto update all currently installed packages?
[01:50] <Pozac> wood1, I'm looking in to it. Btw, /home/Username is already shared, you need to connect as the proper user
[01:50] <Pozac> wood1, are you able to find your ubuntu machines by browsing the network?
[01:51] <tsw> is there something going on with security.ubuntu.com? im getting some data, but bigger files wont complete
[01:52] <kipod> does someone knows y after i have upgraded to hoery i don't c my HDD on the Computer ?
[01:53] <wood1> Yes I can
[01:54] <LucaBrasi> any way to update all currently installed packaged using synaptic ??
[01:55] <fsmw> hi all!
[01:55] <wood1> Prozac, any ideas for the Samba Network thing ?
[01:55] <wood1> hey
[01:55] <tsw> hmm now the all the files came ok..
[01:55] <fsmw> is there a way to avoid "Saving the System Clock time to the Hardware Clock..."?
[01:55] <fsmw> my systems always hang at this point!
[01:55] <Pozac> wood1, I'm working on it. Edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and see the examples.
[01:56] <Pozac> wood1, when you're done, run 'sudo testparm'
[01:58] <mgedmin> I am trying to set up an Ubuntu system to boot from a software RAID-1 array, remotely
[01:58] <mgedmin> it is fun, for certain definitions of "fun"
[02:00] <mgedmin> I have achieved partial success
[02:00] <optimized> how do you check your Machines IP address??
[02:00] <mgedmin> optimized: 'ip addr' or 'ifconfig'
[02:00] <optimized> thanks!
[02:02] <mgedmin> I think there's a race condition in the startup process: fsck -a complains that it cannot find /dev/md1 to /dev/md4, however when someone finally comes up to the console and presses ^D to continue, the system boots and /dev/md1 through /dev/md4 are mounted on their proper mountpoints
[02:02] <mgedmin> could it be that the device nodes are created a little bit too late?
[02:02] <wood1> prozac, what's going on, Now I can't access my Network PCs ?
[02:03] <wood1> What's happening ?
[02:03] <wood1> It was working till 10 minutes ago
[02:04] <jiyuu0> anyone knows how to export the accounts settings for evolution?
[02:05] <fsmw> is there a way to avoid "Saving the System Clock time to the Hardware Clock..." at shutdown?
[02:07] <kipod> did someone here run gDesklets  on Ubuntu hoary ?
[02:08] <edulix> hi !
[02:08] <edulix> how can I install a .deb ?
[02:08] <kipod> dpkg -i PACKAGENAME.deb
[02:08] <edulix> something like I is normally done via rpm -Uvh myrpm.rpm
[02:09] <edulix> ok
[02:09] <kipod> ohhh u better run synaptic
[02:10] <edulix> oh, I already used dpkg
[02:10] <edulix> synaptic can manage debs that are not in any repository ?
[02:10] <edulix> I thought it couldn't :)
[02:10] <kipod> no i think it can't
[02:14] <LucaBrasi> is firefox 0.9.3 still the latest ubuntu release???
[02:14] <edulix> LucasBrasi: my borther just installed 1.0 via apt
[02:15] <LucaBrasi> but synaptic says that 'reverted to 0.9.3ubuntu' crap is the latest ??
[02:16] <edulix> he had exactly the same problem
[02:16] <edulix> let me ask him what he did
[02:17] <occy> morning *
[02:17] <occy> crimsun: around?
[02:17] <edulix> good one!
[02:18] <edulix> LucasBrasi: he says that he removed ubuntu's firefox and then installed the one provided in mozilla.org :P
[02:18] <occy> if I try and run java_vm  it says I need to set both JAVA_HOME and PLUGIN_HOME
[02:18] <occy> how do I set that?
[02:19] <edulix> occy : in your ~/.bahsrc add some exports
[02:19] <Kamion> LucaBrasi: that's the latest version in warty.
[02:19] <edulix> like, for example export JAVA_HOME=/path/to/java/home
[02:19] <occy> ahh  and plugin just points to the plugin dir then.
[02:19] <occy> ok
[02:20] <Kamion> LucaBrasi: warty is a stable release, and therefore does not change except for security and other critical updates.
[02:20] <edulix> occy: well I've never set it right, but I supposse
[02:20] <edulix> /usr/NX/bin/nxclient: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:20] <edulix> where tgo get that lib?
[02:21] <Kamion> edulix: install the libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package from universe
[02:21] <edulix> oks
[02:21] <edulix> kamion: how did you know that it was in 2.10 ?
[02:22] <Kamion> edulix: I grepped the Contents file on an Ubuntu mirror
[02:22] <edulix> BTW, a apt-cache search  libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 didn't find it.
[02:22] <edulix> ah ok
[02:22] <LucaBrasi> Kamion, but firefox 0.9.3 is exploitable and 1.0 is the latest anyway
[02:22] <Kamion> apt-cache search only searches package names and descriptions, not the list of filenames within the package.
[02:23] <Kamion> LucaBrasi: 1.0 wasn't released when we released warty, and we backport security patches.
[02:23] <Kamion> we got burnt badly by trying to follow the 1.0 release candidate; it broke a lot of things, so we weren't interested in trying to cram 1.0 into warty at the last moment.
[02:23] <edulix> Kamion: oh, I though that it serched package files, just like (if I'm correct) it does in apt4rpm
[02:23] <findeton> hi edulix ;)
[02:24] <edulix> maybe that's one of the reason for apt4rpm being so slow
[02:24] <Kamion> edulix: I doubt it, unless apt4rpm have patched it really viciously. That'd be a major semantic change.
[02:24] <edulix> hey bro!
[02:24] <Kamion> edulix: try auto-apt or apt-file
[02:24] <edulix> ah ok
[02:24] <edulix> well it's lunch time, bbl !
[02:24] <scizzo> http://beta.scrappy.ath.cx/gnu-linux/howto/apt_basics.html  <---some fun little things I did for Debian stuff
[02:25] <edulix> scizzo: thanks ;)
[02:26] <scizzo> edulix: its old...but still
[02:44] <miguel> hi
[02:44] <miguel> somebody has configure de vmware ?
[02:45] <miguel> i have problems with the kernel headers
[02:45] <miguel> nobody how can i install vmware ?
[02:46] <guille_> hello
[02:46] <miguel> hi
[02:46] <miguel> nobody knows how can i install vmware ?
[02:47] <guille_> i am trying to install xawtv, i cannot find the package, can anyone say which it is?
[02:47] <guille_> miguel, you have to download it from it web page
[02:48] <miguel> no, its not free
[02:49] <miguel> but i have the files to install it
[02:49] <guille_> you can buy it there or try the demo
[02:49] <miguel> but the instalation stops asking me , where i have the kernel headers
[02:49] <guille_> miguel, have you installed kernel sources?
[02:50] <miguel> yes
[02:51] <miguel> a diferent version of headers
[02:51] <guille_> write down the path (/usr/src/linux maybe)
[02:51] <miguel> i cant find the same versoin on headers
[02:51] <guille_> you need yor headers
[02:51] <miguel> i made a "ln -s"
[02:51] <guille_> change your kernel
[02:51] <miguel> but no
[02:51] <miguel> i dont want to back my kernel i have the last
[02:51] <guille_> download the sources from kernel.org
[02:52] <miguel> okis
[02:52] <miguel> i will see
[02:52] <miguel> ty
[02:52] <guille_> de nada :P
[02:52] <Brikkah> i have just installed ubuntu, but when i try to setup my connection with "sudo pppoeconf" the computer freezes.. what to do ??
[02:57] <miguel> upgrade the repositories
[02:57] <miguel> apt-get update
[02:57] <miguel> apt-get upgrade
[02:57] <miguel> apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:58] <Brikkah> to me ?
[02:59] <miguel> yes tu u
[02:59] <Brikkah> ok
[02:59] <Brikkah> i will try
[03:04] <Lazydog> anyone awake?
[03:05] <Lazydog> i have just received my shipment of cd's and during the install stage i have noticed that it never asked me for a root password.  why is this?
[03:07] <Kamion> Lazydog: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[03:07] <Kamion> the installer mentions this on the first screen after the first reboot
[03:08] <roRy> Lazydog 2 lazy to read it... :p
[03:09] <Lazydog> Kamion: thnx  i missed this.  is there a reason why they decided to do things this way?  i mean a security reason why?
[03:09] <Brikkah> i have just installed ubuntu, but when i try to setup my connection with "sudo pppoeconf" the computer freezes.. what to do ??
[03:09] <Lazydog> roRy: have to live up to my nick. :)
[03:09] <Kamion> Lazydog: initially more usability actually; see the wiki, it explains the thinking
[03:10] <Lazydog> Kamion: thnx i'll look into this
[03:12] <Brikkah> anyone can help me ?
[03:14] <martin_> could someone please explain to me what is a relative path?
[03:16] <vinic_> hi people! I can't get any midi files to be played... seems like I don't have a /dev/sequencer running whereas i know it works under Windows. Anyone can help?
[03:16] <vinic_> what may I do/try/experience?
[03:16] <qbeek> martin_, this is the contrary of an absolute path beginning at the root "/".
[03:19] <vinic_> ...
[03:19] <Fator_Dee> Could someone help me in finding a reason why I can't start my filebrowser?
[03:19] <vinic_> maybe...
[03:19] <vinic_> ;)
[03:20] <vinic_> try to launch it from terminal to see what it returns
[03:20] <djtansey> anyone here know of a simple way to setup of an authenticated smtp server? i am using postfix presently but i can't find a simple guide to setting up athenticatin before sending mail
[03:21] <Fator_Dee> vinic_: it doesn't give any output
[03:21] <vinic_> Fator_Dee : it just go back to $ ?
[03:21] <Fator_Dee> no
[03:22] <Fator_Dee> nothing happens, thats all
[03:22] <Fator_Dee> but it wont bounce me back to the terminal, I have to end it with ctrl+c
[03:22] <vinic_> Fator_Dee : try to open System Monitor to see if any of those you launched are running...
[03:23] <qbeek> Fator_Dee, try nautilus --check
[03:23] <Fator_Dee> there are many instances of nautilus on the system monitor
[03:24] <vinic_> Fator_Dee : kill them all!!!
[03:24] <vinic_> :)
[03:24] <Fator_Dee> !
[03:24] <Fator_Dee> i'll try
[03:24] <vinic_> Fator_Dee : and try to launch again
[03:24] <Fator_Dee> qbeek: i'll check that out too
[03:25] <t17mh> I want to install a new fs driver (iriverfs) which is provided as a patch to the kernel. Is there a way to compile and install while keeping my packaged kernel?
[03:27] <Fator_Dee> argh, another problem :-p
[03:27] <Fator_Dee> my XFree86 acted up again
[03:28] <vinic_> Fator_Dee : reinstall Ubuntu! :P    No, jockin'
[03:28] <Fator_Dee> how can I restart my X?
[03:29] <vinic_> reboot
[03:29] <t17mh> Factor_Dee: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:29] <vinic_> :)
[03:29] <t17mh> vinic_: No need to reboot :)
[03:29] <t17mh> ~s/Factor_Dee/Fator_Dee
[03:30] <Fator_Dee> btw
[03:30] <ubuntu_user> hello
[03:31] <Fator_Dee> anyone know what could couse XFree86 to hog up all the resources of the computer
[03:31] <Fator_Dee> that happened just now and thats why I had to ssh to it from another computer to restart the X
[03:32] <vinic_> no...
[03:32] <BrettMeister> Trying to dual OS my single hd.  PartionMagic seemed to work okay.  When it came time to reboot it stopped due to Error 27, Cannot lock drive.  Any ideas about this?  Documentation for PM doesn't help.
[03:32] <ubuntu_user> how i use HAL with fluxbox??
[03:33] <Brikkah> i have just installed ubuntu, but when i try to setup my connection with "sudo pppoeconf" the computer freezes.. what to do ??
[03:34] <Fator_Dee> and now my panels just died...
[03:34] <Fator_Dee> this is not my day...
[03:35] <ubuntu_user> how i use HAL with fluxbox??
[03:35] <Fator_Dee> "nautilus --check" won't give any output
[03:36] <edulix> now I have FreeNX working !
[03:36] <edulix> I mean it connects
[03:36] <edulix> but, I see nothing. gnome doesn't start
[03:36] <edulix> then the problem is that it's not slick enough to start it, and I should tell himp to execute a custom command
[03:36] <edulix> which one ?
[03:39] <ubuntu_user> i need to get HAL working with fluxbox, but i not know the deamon that gnome runs when it start, it is any command or gnome HAL support is integred with gnome-desktop???
[03:41] <sjoerd> ubuntu_user: gnome-volume-manager
[03:42] <ubuntu_user> tanks sjoerd
[03:46] <vinic_> hi people! I can't get any midi files to be played... seems like I don't have a /dev/sequencer running whereas i know it works under Windows. Anyone can help?
[03:48] <cmg> i just installed Ubuntu warty (it rocks!)
[03:48] <vinic_> hehe
[03:48] <cmg> can someone tell me how to run a telnet daemon?
[03:48] <Fator_Dee> it rocks when it works properly :-(
[03:48] <etorix> heh .. yeah
[03:49] <cmg> im aware of telnet vulnerabilities and that i should ssh, but i need to install telnetd.. how do i do that?
[03:49] <wood1> Can I update Debian 3.0 to Ubuntu ?
[03:50] <spacey`stage> cmg just install the server?
[03:50] <spacey`stage> apt-cache search telnetd
[03:50] <cmg> spacey.. how/where do i get it? (sorry if im retarded)
[03:50] <spacey`stage> cmg its the same as installing other software
[03:50] <cmg> i cant find it in the repository though
[03:51] <spacey`stage> maybe its in universe
[03:51] <cmg> apt-cache search telnetd returns nothing
[03:51] <spacey`stage> search in the wiki on universe
[03:51] <spacey`stage> to add repository
[03:51] <Kamion>    telnetd |    0.17-24 | warty/universe | amd64, i386, powerpc
[03:51] <Kamion> there's also telnetd-ssl
[03:52] <cmg> kamion.. how do i get telnetd?
[03:52] <Kamion> cmg: do what spacey`stage said, there's documentation on universe on the website/wiki
[03:52] <cmg> whats universe?
[03:52] <cmg> <-- slow
[03:52] <Kamion> please see the website
[03:52] <cmg> the ubuntu site?
[03:53] <Kamion> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[03:53] <cmg> ahh ok.. thanks!
[03:53] <Kamion> (unsupported software, basically)
[03:54] <Fator_Dee> so no one has any insight on why my nautilus, desktop and panels stopped cooperating with me?
[03:55] <spacey`stage> cmg you should check out the wiki search on the website, really might come in handy
[03:56] <cmg> spacey, kamion.. i figured out the universe thing.. thanks guys!
[03:56] <spacey`stage> np
[03:56] <spacey`stage> its your first step ;)
[03:56] <cmg> yup ;)
[03:56] <cmg> i have one more question if ya don't mind
[03:57] <cmg> i installed Apache.. i want to run it under inetd.. how do i do that? :)
[03:57] <edulix> hey!
[03:57] <edulix> which is the command to start gnome?
[03:58] <cmg> actually.. i just figured out the Apache thing.. thanks anyway.. bye
[04:01] <Fator_Dee> The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_WorkspaceSwitcherApplet".
[04:01] <Fator_Dee> Details: Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/applet_9/prefs;background=none:;orient=up;size=small;locked_down=false
[04:01] <Fator_Dee> even more problems...
[04:02] <sdsds> hi, could someone help me about grub or lilo installation?
[04:04] <housetier> I know more about lilo than grub
[04:06] <sdsds> i'm calling you in pvt
[04:06] <housetier> don't be ashamed to ask here :)
[04:06] <vinic_> sdsds : go on
[04:06] <sdsds> ah ok
[04:06] <housetier> that way more people can help you
[04:07] <sdsds> i've run fidsk /MBR
[04:07] <sdsds> for some problem
[04:07] <sdsds> but I was
[04:07] <sdsds> I believe that using ubuntu installation disk
[04:08] <sdsds> i could re-install grub
[04:08] <micolous> sdsds, sudo grub-install /dev/hda  will reinstall the grub MBR
[04:08] <sdsds> but i can't use ubuntu
[04:08] <vinic_> sdsds : Have you got a rescue CD
[04:08] <micolous> ah.
[04:08] <sdsds> no vinic-
[04:08] <sdsds> that's the problem
[04:08] <vinic_> sdsds : or another distro CD
[04:09] <micolous> sdsds, go grab a copy of the gentoo minimal livecd
[04:09] <sdsds> i tried using
[04:09] <sdsds> mepis
[04:09] <micolous> it's *fantastic* for fixing the kinda stuff.
[04:09] <micolous> *this
[04:09] <sdsds> but it's very unusual
[04:10] <sdsds> because when i choose
[04:10] <sdsds> grub or lilo installation
[04:10] <vinic_> sdsds : is there a rescue mode in mepis?
[04:10] <sdsds> the program start asking me edit th partition table
[04:10] <sdsds> with ubuntu
[04:11] <sdsds> mepis is a live cd with some "desktop" utilities but when I' tried to ask
[04:11] <sdsds> to set a new lilo configuration
[04:12] <vinic_> sdsds : so you've got a console, right?
[04:12] <keert-jan> can someone help me?
[04:12] <sdsds> yes I have
[04:12] <keert-jan> with my wireless MSI usb stick?
[04:12] <keert-jan> on ubuntu
[04:12] <vinic_> ok, I did it yesterday
[04:12] <vinic_> so i can help you
[04:12] <vinic_> ;)
[04:12] <keert-jan> ok
[04:12] <keert-jan> well
[04:12] <sdsds> i'm lucky :D
[04:12] <keert-jan> i have installed ubuntu
[04:12] <vinic_> yep
[04:12] <keert-jan> and in the device manager, the usb msi wireless device is listed
[04:13] <keert-jan> but when i want to install a new wireless device in the network screen
[04:13] <keert-jan> there are no wireless devices in the pull down menu
[04:13] <keert-jan> understand?
[04:13] <keert-jan> (im dutch)
[04:13] <micolous> keert-jan, do youu know what chipset the device is?  like atmel, prism...?
[04:14] <keert-jan> they said it was a prism chipset...
[04:14] <keert-jan> i don't know if that is right..
[04:14] <micolous> install "linux-wlan-ng
[04:14] <keert-jan> where can i find that?
[04:14] <cmg> how do i get apache to start when i boot my system?
[04:14] <micolous> open up synaptic package manager, undder system settings
[04:14] <keert-jan> micolous , where can i find thatr
[04:15] <keert-jan> ok
[04:15] <lamont> cmg: if it is installed, it should start... It's not there by default - use synaptic to add it.
[04:15] <keert-jan> ok, i am there now micoulous
[04:16] <micolous> keert-jan, then press the "search" button, and search for linux-wlan-ng, click on the square next to it and mark it for installation
[04:16] <etorix>  cmg .. summink like etc/init.d/apache defaults
[04:16] <cmg> oops. i think i didnt install it all
[04:16] <micolous> keert-jan, then press "apply" and ok that
[04:16] <cmg> do i need apache-common and apache2?
[04:17] <etorix> i think you should google apache slightly ..
[04:17] <keert-jan> he can't find something..
[04:17] <etorix> since you are enabling a server here ..
[04:17] <cmg> i just spent 15 mins googling apache.. basically all i can find are directions for 1.3 (which are different), and then a bunch of arguments over whether to run it standalone or under inetd
[04:18] <etorix> im sure theres stuff on the ubuntu wiki
[04:18] <etorix> also look on fif.org
[04:18] <etorix> fifi.org
[04:19] <cmg> ahh i didnt have it all installed.. got it working.. thanks!
[04:20] <spikeb> lol
[04:22] <lamont> cmg: if it's a network daemon, it's probably not installed.
[04:22] <lamont> cmg: generally speaking, that is.
[04:23] <wood1> How do I change my IP Address from the bash prompt ?
[04:24] <wood1> I need desperate help
[04:24] <micolous> wood1, sudo ifconfig eth0 <ip address>
[04:24] <micolous> where eth0 is the network card that you want the IP changed for
[04:24] <etorix> hmm .. i have a dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to  error
[04:24] <orangepeel> hi every1
[04:25] <etorix> dpkg: error processing nvidia-glx (--remove):
[04:26] <wood1> thanks guys
[04:26] <etorix> on this 64-bit hory i have lib lib32 lib64 dirs
[04:26] <orangepeel> can someone tell me how to use two video cards to run two monitors (with the same display) in ubuntu-warty?
[04:26] <orangepeel> i have xinerama enabled, and everything almost works
[04:27] <orangepeel> however, my second (smaller) screen is stretched horribly
[04:27] <etorix> nvidia?
[04:27] <orangepeel> nvidia is primary agp card and other card is a pci matrox millenium
[04:28] <etorix> it sould be possible still
[04:28] <orangepeel> yeah its pretty much working, but as i say the second screen is stretched
[04:29] <wood1> How do I change the Netmask IP Address and the gate IP Address
[04:29] <wood1> from the bash shell ?
[04:29] <orangepeel> here is my XF86Config: http://www.aliross.co.uk/xconf/XF86Config-4
[04:29] <orangepeel> my second monitor is a 17" and my primary monitor is 22"
[04:30] <wood1> How do I change the Gateway IP Address from the bash shell ?
[04:30] <wood1> and also the Network Mask ?
[04:30] <tsw> wood1: edit /etc/network/interfaces and say ifupdown eth0
[04:30] <orangepeel> wood1: route add default gw <ip>
[04:30] <etorix> so its the matrox thats stretching
[04:30] <orangepeel> yes etorix
[04:30] <scizzo> wood1: ok...I think you only need to ask ones.. :P
[04:31] <wood1> thanks, orangepeel
[04:34] <Walcky> hi all
[04:34] <vinic_> hi !
[04:35] <Capri> hello, can someone tell me how I can build the Ubuntu linux-image kernel from the linux-source? I've used the same config and hal ist reporting: Your kernel does not support capabilities; some features will not be available
[04:35] <Capri> What I've missed?
[04:36] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[04:36] <da_bon_bon> while installing i mistakedly typer ser name as 'rohadhruva' instead of 'rohandhruva' now what do i do?] 
[04:37] <Gwildor|Work> tahs a long and horrid name to type, at every log in...........
[04:37] <spikeb> da_bon_bon, add another user with the name spelled correctly
[04:37] <spikeb> da_bon_bon, then remove the old user
[04:37] <da_bon_bon> spikeb, in which group?
[04:37] <Gwildor|Work> spikeb, will that new user have sudo privleges?
[04:38] <da_bon_bon> Gwildor|Work, yes i agree...
[04:38] <spikeb> da_bon_bon, users, and wheel. also edit the sudoers file and correct the spelling.
[04:38] <Gwildor|Work> :)
[04:38] <Walcky> My gnome-panel always freeze on my two computers (HOARY). Does anybody have a idea ?
[04:38] <etorix> orangepeel:
[04:38] <etorix> dang
[04:38] <da_bon_bon> spikeb, thers also a group called 'rohadhruva' ...
[04:39] <bur[n] er> Walcky: don't u?  do some troubleshooting... file a bug report :)
[04:39] <bur[n] er> check existing bug reports for similar problems
[04:39] <spikeb> bbl have ot start my day
[04:39] <spikeb> sorry to run
[04:39] <da_bon_bon> spikeb, also, what about sudo previleges?
[04:40] <llun_ved> daoed anyone here have USB flashdrive problems
[04:40] <wood1> what is the command to install GNOME Desktop from the bash shell: ??
[04:41] <etorix> apt-get install gnome*     would get you the kitchen sink
[04:42] <da_bon_bon> while installing i mistakedly typer ser name as 'rohadhruva' instead of 'rohandhruva' now what do i do?] 
[04:43] <etorix> wood1:  can u run synaptic?
[04:43] <etorix>  a search for gnome will give ..
[04:44] <llun_ved> no USB flashdrive problems damn
[04:44] <martin_> erm.. ive downloaded and installed bittornado through synapt.. and i cant seem to find it now... what do i do to search for it?
[04:45] <etorix> try typing its name
[04:46] <martin_> well i tried bt, bittorent, bittornado and bittornado-gui, it just says command not found
[04:46] <etorix> man it
[04:47] <tsw> martin_: btdownloadgui
[04:47] <tsw> and bt*
[04:48] <martin_> tsw, thanks man :)
[04:48] <tsw> martin_: tabulator is your friend :D
[04:48] <siretart> has somebody a pointer how to make a initrd suitable for / on evms?
[04:48] <martin_> tsw, how can i know these things?
[04:49] <tsw> martin_: experience.. I dont know any good shortcut to knowledge :)
[04:50] <martin_> tsw: i mean, there must be a way to know the command of a program?
[04:50] <tsw> martin_: but try typing the beginning of a command like btdo and then pressing tabulator twice on shell. it should give you a list of all commands starting with btdo
[04:50] <tsw> or if there is only one option it completes it
[04:51] <tsw> same goes with folders and files
[04:51] <michel_v> hello
[04:51] <martin_> cool tsw..
[04:51] <afonit> does anyone know the name of the Novell application for thumbnailing images, similar to gthumb?
[04:51] <michel_v> anyone working on Rosetta? it would be nice to add 'Corsican' in the list dubbed 'Languages in France'
[04:51] <michel_v> I was rather stumped not to find it there :p
[04:52] <tsw> martin_: so I started with only b (I knew it was installed on my brothers machine) and quikly read the list and saw bt and so on..
[04:53] <kipod> does any one knows how i can put my HDD in the Computer Folder ?
[04:53] <martin_> cool tsw, thanks :)
[04:55] <martin_> tsw: do you happen to know anything about running quake3 on linux?
[04:55] <martin_> (quake 3 arena, the computer game)
[04:55] <tsw> martin_: not really.. havent played anything for a long time :)
[04:56] <Gwildor|Work> martin_, i think you have to get the game data form the actual CD..........but i am not 100% sure of that
[04:56] <kipod> martin_,  i have a problem with it too evry time i try to run it my X restarted ....
[04:56] <tsw> martin_: tried doom when it was cool :)
[04:56] <etorix> iverun q3a, ut2k4,doom3 .. but not on ubuntu
[04:56] <martin_> tsw, heh
[04:56] <etorix> and my nvidia-glx is busted
[04:57] <Riddell> afonit: konqueror, gwenview
[04:57] <afonit> yes, but novell has one that is in an alpha stage, it looked really cool, but I cannot find it anywhere
[04:57] <martin_> Gwildor|Work, where can i get more info about that?
[04:57] <afonit> I don't recall the name
[04:58] <Gwildor|Work> martin_, googel is the best answer i can give you...i have no idea, try "quake3 linux client"
[04:58] <afonit> riddell: it looked alot like picasa from google
[04:58] <etorix> linux-militia is a good place to start
[04:58] <martin_> Gwildor|Work, thanks
[04:58] <Gwildor|Work> np :)
[05:00] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[05:03] <poik007> <.< I have a problem with installing ubuntu <.<
[05:03] <Gwildor|Work> hi
[05:03] <Gwildor|Work> shoot
[05:03] <poik007> it says it can't find my CD-ROM drive
[05:03] <poik007> I don't have any, I just have 2 dvd-drives
[05:04] <da_bon_bon> Gwildor|Work, noto get help, but to help
[05:04] <da_bon_bon> Gwildor|Work, i remedied the earler prob.
[05:04] <Gwildor|Work> kk :)
[05:04] <Gwildor|Work> glad you fixed it
[05:05] <micolous> poik007, remove all other disks in the drive, and maybe try the other CD drive?
[05:05] <poik007> the other drive is also a DVD
[05:05] <Pozac> doesnt matter
[05:05] <Gwildor|Work> da_bon_bon, you have sudo-ing orivleges too?
[05:05] <da_bon_bon> POLL: Which linux distro do u use?
[05:05] <da_bon_bon> hey anyone hear? i am having conn. problems, so please reply..
[05:05] <Pozac> reply :)
[05:06] <poik007> oh, the problem is that my computer doesn't want to boot to the other drive <,<
[05:06] <Gwildor|Work> ububntu........gong pure debian on and old alppy soon
[05:06] <Gwildor|Work> ububntu........going pure debian on and old lappy soon
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> Gwildor|Work: yes i do have sudo previleges, but only after editing sudoers using visudo
[05:07] <Gwildor|Work> da_bon_bon, good....was just checking :)
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> Gwildor|Work: np
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: why is the poll misplaced? i bet atleast some users here are using FC
[05:08] <Gwildor|Work> i think most ppl here hate FC
[05:08] <Gwildor|Work> idk though
[05:09] <vinic_> Pb: I can't get any midi files to be played... seems like I don't have a /dev/sequencer running whereas i know it works under Windows. Anyone can help?
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> Gwildor|Work: idk??
[05:09] <Gwildor|Work> i dont know
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> how do i install xmms in ubuntu?
[05:10] <vinic_> da_bon_bon : use synaptic
[05:10] <Gwildor|Work> sudo apt-get isntall xmms
[05:10] <vinic_> both will do the job! :)
[05:10] <da_bon_bon> vinic_: i am new to it. what command?
[05:10] <kipod> Gwildor|Work, http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/ here try this one
[05:10] <Gwildor|Work> sudo apt-get isntall xmms
[05:11] <vinic_> da_bon_bon : Synaptic is the packet manager
[05:11] <Gwildor|Work> kipod, i dont need that...........
[05:11] <Gwildor|Work> da_bon_bon, here try this      http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/
[05:11] <Gwildor|Work> kipod, thnx though :)
[05:11] <da_bon_bon> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:11] <da_bon_bon> error ^^^^
[05:12] <Gwildor|Work> da_bon_bon, add universe and multiverse.....i think its in one of those
[05:12] <Fator_Dee> universe
[05:12] <Gwildor|Work> search for  "restrictedformats" on the wiki
[05:12] <da_bon_bon> Gwildor|Work: how?
[05:12] <Gwildor|Work> wait...
[05:12] <crimsun> occy: hmm, I don't believe you're supposed to run java_vm directly, but it's good practice to set $JAVA_HOME, to add $JAVA_HOME/bin to your $PATH, and to set $CLASSPATH as well
[05:12] <vinic_> da_bon_bon : you've got to add "universe repository" insynaptic
[05:12] <Gwildor|Work> da_bon_bon, open snaptic
[05:12] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:12] <Quest-Master> Do this in the terminal,.
[05:13] <Quest-Master> It's fast, and easy.
[05:13] <Gwildor|Work> da_bon_bon, beep is pretty good.........
[05:13] <Gwildor|Work> da_bon_bon, but you may want to add the universe and multiverse anyways
[05:13] <da_bon_bon> Gwildor|Work: which repo to add? many are under universe///
[05:14] <Quest-Master> No, no
[05:14] <Quest-Master> Just add it as a section
[05:14] <Gwildor|Work> in synaptic?
[05:14] <Gwildor|Work> Quest-Master, i gues you tell him, i have to afk for a min
[05:14] <Quest-Master> No problem.
[05:14] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Follow this guide exactly as it says so.
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: which guide?
[05:15] <Quest-Master> In Synaptic, bring up the repositories window: Settings -> Repositories
[05:15] <Quest-Master> You will see two repositories of type deb with the URL http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu one of which is checked. Select one or the other, and see which one shows Section(s): universe
[05:15] <Quest-Master> (It is probably the second one.) Enable that one. Now do the same thing for the two repositories of type deb-src with the same URI given above. Click on OK.
[05:15] <Quest-Master> Now, still in Synaptic, click on Reload to update your local copy of the package database.
[05:15] <Quest-Master> Copied straight from the wiki. ;)
[05:16] <Quest-Master> Now, if you have trouble with that, ask me.
[05:17] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: the package list itself is 2MB?>?
[05:17] <Quest-Master> ?
[05:17] <Quest-Master> It might be
[05:17] <Quest-Master> That's fine though.
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> how do i install using apt-get ?
[05:19] <Quest-Master> sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[05:19] <Quest-Master> Right in the terminal.
[05:19] <Quest-Master> ;)
[05:19] <Quest-Master> ALso.
[05:19] <Quest-Master> If you haven't done so already.
[05:19] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543
[05:19] <Gwildor|Work> thnx Quest-Master , im back now..................sorry
[05:20] <Quest-Master> Yup.
[05:20] <Quest-Master> I think he's good now.
[05:20] <garcia79> hi to all. how can I read RSS in ubuntu?. Is there some plugin for evolution?
[05:21] <Riddell> garcia79: akregator, numberous gnome tools are available as well
[05:21] <garcia79> Riddel: thank you...bye
[05:24] <da_bon_bon> in live CD, when i click on 'Computer" and "disks" my mounted windows partitions also appear. how do i do that in ubuntu install?
[05:24] <wood1> Will apt-get install ubuntu-desktop install the default GNOME display manager
[05:25] <crimsun> wood1: yes
[05:26] <crimsun> % apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop|grep gdm
[05:26] <wood1> Crimsun, Will firefox be installed?
[05:26] <wood1> I have already installed x-server
[05:26] <crimsun> run the command I just showed but substitute mozilla-firefox for gdm
[05:27] <crimsun> (don't paste here!)
[05:27] <wood1> You see, I just installed the Ubuntu Base system with only the Bash shell
[05:27] <Ng> does the install CD just include the packages installed by the base installer? or does it include packages for things like build-essential too?
[05:27] <da_bon_bon> how do i change the access permissions of a folder?
[05:27] <wood1> So ubuntu-desktop installs OpenOffice too ?
[05:27] <da_bon_bon> how do i change the access permissions of a folder?
[05:27] <crimsun> wood1: yes.
[05:27] <Quest-Master> Ng: Right click. Go to the tab called Permissions.
[05:27] <Quest-Master> Ack.
[05:27] <Quest-Master> I meant da_bon_bon
[05:27] <Quest-Master> Sorry :x
[05:27] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[05:27] <Quest-Master> That's how you do it.
[05:28] <Quest-Master> Change the permissions in that tab.
[05:28] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: the folder /mnt/hdc6 is owned by root. how do i modify that fromm command line?
[05:28] <Quest-Master> sudo nautilus
[05:28] <Quest-Master> Then edit the permissions from there.
[05:28] <crimsun> Ng: it installs 'ubuntu-desktop' along with all its dependencies. 'build-essential' is an optional package and thus not installed by default.
[05:30] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: when i clik on "write" in others, it gets automatically unchkecked...
[05:30] <Ng> crimsun: so it won't be on the CD either?
[05:30] <Fator_Tee> *sigh* it feels like I am using wIndOzE again, a little reboot and all the problems have gone away... *scratches head*
[05:31] <Ng> crimsun: I don't have one to hand and someone is asking me if they can install gcc from the CD or if they need to download it ;)
[05:31] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: What is inside hd6?
[05:31] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: actually, i want to make the "/mnt/hdc6" folder avaialble to "rohandhruva" - i cant open any folder or files in there...
[05:31] <crimsun> Ng: I'm fairly certain gcc* are on the CD, but don't take my word for it.
[05:31] <crimsun> Ng: you can look on your CD.
[05:31] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Did you manually mount hd6?
[05:32] <Quest-Master> Through the command-line, I mean
[05:32] <Ng> crimsun: "I don't have one to hand" ;p
[05:32] <Ng> crimsun: but thanks anyway :)
[05:32] <drspin> the current LiveCD will not boot in VMWARE -- is this a known issue?
[05:32] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: yes
[05:32] <drspin> rather - is it an issue at all?
[05:32] <crimsun> err, it booted for me
[05:32] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Do this; it's much easier.
[05:32] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: what?
[05:32] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: sudo mnt /dev/nameofpartition /home/yourusername/hd6
[05:33] <Quest-Master> Of course, replace nameofpartition with the actual name, and yourusername with your username.
[05:33] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: i dont mount it in /mnt/hdc6?
[05:33] <Quest-Master> Some people do, but this is MUCH easier, and what I do.
[05:33] <Quest-Master> It causes a lot less confusion.
[05:34] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: isnt it even better to use the "/etc/fstab" file?
[05:34] <Quest-Master> And, in your case, "rohandhruva" will have automatic permission to it when mounted.
[05:34] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: If you wish, yes.
[05:34] <Quest-Master> The fstab makes everything automatic.
[05:34] <Quest-Master> Want to do that instead?
[05:34] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: yes
[05:34] <Quest-Master> It's what I do.. lot less work.
[05:34] <Quest-Master> Ok.
[05:34] <Quest-Master> sudo gedit
[05:35] <Quest-Master> Open /etc/fstab
[05:35] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: but will it have proper permissins?
[05:35] <Quest-Master> Yes.
[05:35] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: sudo gedit asks for password.
[05:35] <Quest-Master> Type in your sudo password.
[05:35] <Gwildor|Work> sudo give it proper permissions........always
[05:36] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: whats a sudo password?
[05:36] <Quest-Master> The password for the super user.
[05:36] <Quest-Master> su.
[05:36] <drspin> root
[05:36] <Quest-Master> You might've not set it yet.
[05:36] <Quest-Master> Just click enter and see what happens.
[05:36] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: oh it owrks if i type in my own password...
[05:36] <Quest-Master> Ok.
[05:36] <Quest-Master> Good.
[05:36] <Quest-Master> Now, open up fstab in /etc/
[05:36] <Gwildor|Work> da_bon_bon, yeah, there is no "root" account, you just sudo to root privleges using your user pass
[05:37] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Make a directory inside your home folder called "windows" or whatever.
[05:37] <Quest-Master> Tell me once you've got all of that done.
[05:37] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: and then?
[05:37] <Quest-Master> Did you make the directory?
[05:37] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: i still dont mount in /mnt ?
[05:37] <Quest-Master> And open up fstab?
[05:37] <Quest-Master> No.
[05:38] <Quest-Master> At the end of your fstab file, type this in.
[05:38] <hardkaare> Hey, has ubuntu the feature in gnome that make the user able to share via samba just be rightclicking and choose share?
[05:38] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: but i am more used to /mnt.... it wont have rite permissions for mme?
[05:38] <Quest-Master> /dev/hda6       /home/rohandhruva/windows    vfat    umask=000       0       0
[05:39] <Quest-Master> This is easier, trust me. ;) Less problems for a lot of people.
[05:39] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: thanks. i will try and reboot
[05:39] <Quest-Master> You don't have to reboot
[05:39] <drspin> reboot?
[05:39] <Quest-Master> Just go to the terminal
[05:39] <Quest-Master> And type this in.
[05:39] <Quest-Master> sudo mount -a
[05:39] <Quest-Master> It'll do all of the fstab stuff for you without rebooting.
[05:40] <xiximkopp> did anybody of get coaster working in hoary?
[05:41] <xiximkopp> ^without of...
[05:42] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: how do i add shortcuts to all these mounted partitions in my "Disks" jkust like in live CD?
[05:42] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: how do i add shortcuts to all these mounted partitions in my "Disks" jkust like in live CD?
[05:42] <Quest-Master> Just create a launcher or a symlink.
[05:43] <Quest-Master> Right-click in desktop -> Create Launcher
[05:43] <Quest-Master> And point to the folder which your disks are mounted to.
[05:44] <xiximkopp> da_bon_bon, when you want them in my computer, add 'user' as an option in /etc/fstab
[05:44] <da_bon_bon> xiximkopp: ok. and they will appear in "my computer"?
[05:44] <Quest-Master> umask=000 allows anyone to write, read, and execute from it though.
[05:44] <xiximkopp> da_bon_bon, yes
[05:44] <xiximkopp> da_bon_bon, and on your desktop
[05:44] <Quest-Master> No need for user, besides it showing up in the my computer
[05:45] <Quest-Master> You can just create the launchers on the desktop as I showed you
[05:45] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: u a ubuntu guru or something :)
[05:45] <Quest-Master> Hehe, not really
[05:46] <Quest-Master> I'm an Ubuntu lover though. <3
[05:46] <xiximkopp> so nobody tried coaster in here??
[05:46] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: ur method gives me icons in "my computer" and on "desktop" ???
[05:46] <Quest-Master> I heard it's maturing pretty well
[05:47] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Just on the desktop. But you can copy and paste it into My Computer as well I believe.
[05:47] <Quest-Master> It's not very heard to create launchers, da_bon_bon
[05:47] <hardkaare> Can anyone make me a screenshot of the rightclik and share a folder form me please?
[05:47] <Quest-Master> hardkaare: In Nautilus?
[05:47] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: ok...
[05:47] <hardkaare> Quest-Master, yes
[05:48] <xiximkopp> Quest-Master, no you cant make paste in computer...
[05:48] <Quest-Master> Ah.
[05:48] <Quest-Master> I see.
[05:48] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: works very well. thanks.
[05:48] <Quest-Master> :)
[05:48] <afonit> Quest-Master: since you seem on a roll, I was wondering, do you know why this would hapen,  I do an smbmount of our server drive, browse to a folder, the finle names are asfq~tpt.eps, but on my mac when I browse to the same folder and file, it is called A13423-plumbers.eps?
[05:48] <xiximkopp> it uses hal for getting the informations
[05:48] <Quest-Master> lol, reading through your problem now afonit.
[05:49] <hardkaare> Quest-Master, I want to show a friend that it can be dont that way in ubuntu
[05:49] <sri> greetings
[05:49] <sri> has anybody gotten mono working on hoary?
[05:49] <afonit> I went to the nautilus irc, they had no idea
[05:49] <sri> mine seems totally broken.
[05:49] <hardkaare> don
[05:49] <crimsun> sri: mine works fine, but I have mixed sources.
[05:49] <sri> I can't install it at all
[05:49] <Quest-Master> afonit: That's the weirdest thing I've heard in a while. x_x
[05:49] <crimsun> sri: expected.
[05:49] <crimsun> sri: mono-assemblies* have not yet been updated
[05:49] <sri> crimsun: the problem maybe that I'm using ohter sources, and now there is some package confusion
[05:49] <afonit> quest-master: ok, thanks, I will keep on researching
[05:49] <da_bon_bon> xiximkopp: where do i add the "user" option?
[05:50] <Quest-Master> afonit: What kind of filesystem is the server on?
[05:50] <sri> crimsun: oh okay. t hat kind of sucks, since I rely on tomboy
[05:50] <afonit> os x
[05:50] <hardkaare> Quest-Master, Would you do that?
[05:50] <afonit> quest-master: osx
[05:50] <da_bon_bon> xiximkopp: where do i add the "user" option?
[05:50] <xiximkopp> da_bon_bon, type: 'sudo nano /etc/fstab' in a terminal
[05:50] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Just add a comma after the umask=000 and then add it
[05:50] <sri> crimsun: any idea when they will get mono-assemblies updated?
[05:50] <crimsun> sri: no ETA
[05:50] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: ok
[05:51] <afonit> that is, whatever one os x uses,
[05:51] <Quest-Master> sudo gedit, and make where it says umask=000 into umask=000, user
[05:51] <sri> also, does anybody have problems with flash cards not showing up when you insert into the desktop
[05:51] <crimsun> sri: and with it being holidays et al., I wouldn't hold my breath
[05:51] <Quest-Master> Hm.
[05:51] <sri> the flashcard gets mounted but no icon shows up in GNOME
[05:51] <sri> crimsun: yeah, thats fine.
[05:51] <Quest-Master> afonit: It might be a conflict with the filesystems I believe.
[05:51] <sri> crimsun: when I signed up for hoary, I knew that it'll be like this.
[05:51] <crimsun> sri: good.
[05:51] <sri> crimsun: I can always compile my own mono if I want it badly enough.
[05:51] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: and then again mount -a?
[05:51] <hardkaare> will anyone take a screenshot for me please, about how gnome can share a folder in ubuntu?
[05:51] <xiximkopp> da_bon_bon, then you see your mounts... add user to the ones you wish to see in my computer...
[05:51] <Quest-Master> sudo mount -a
[05:51] <Quest-Master> Yup.
[05:52] <crimsun> sri: if you do that, don't install any mono-based packages from ubuntu or debian :)
[05:52] <Quest-Master> hardkaare: Yeah.
[05:52] <Quest-Master> One second.
[05:52] <da_bon_bon> xiximkopp, Quest-Master: thank you both.... i am grateful
[05:52] <Quest-Master> hardkaare: You just want a screen of the permissions tab right?
[05:52] <sri> crimsun: heh.  well I'm using jhbuild, so I have a cvs version of gnome as well
[05:52] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Glad I could help. :)
[05:52] <Quest-Master> hardkaare: Am I correct?
[05:52] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: line 9 in /etc/fstab is bad
[05:52] <crimsun> sri: in a chroot?
[05:52] <sri> crimsun: I haven't had any issues, and I use a seperate account to load cvs gnome.
[05:52] <hardkaare> Quest-Master, yes just so I can se it can be done
[05:52] <da_bon_bon> xiximkopp: line 9 in /etc/fstab is bad
[05:52] <crimsun> sri: ah.
[05:52] <sri> crimsun: no, I use a seperate account and hten use xnest
[05:53] <crimsun> sri: well sure, garnome and jhbuild are lots of fun. :)
[05:53] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Join #flood and paste your fstab there.
[05:53] <xiximkopp> da_bon_bon, what do you mean? bad?
[05:53] <da_bon_bon> xiximkopp: i got that message
[05:53] <sri> crimsun: depending. :-)  I'm no longer using garnome, and using ubuntu hoary instead.
[05:53] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Show me your fstab in #flood
[05:53] <Quest-Master> hardkaare: Sure. One second.
[05:53] <xiximkopp> then paste ur line in here
[05:53] <sri> crimsun: but it's good to know that the problem is known.
[05:54] <sri> crimsun: but kind of bad timing since I wante dto show my brohter .NET when he was visiting here. oh well.
[05:54] <hardkaare> Quest-Master, such a screenshot is missing from ubuntus offical site :-)
[05:54] <crimsun> sri: yep. Granted, I avoid it because I pin to sid and only pull from hoary as necessary.
[05:54] <Quest-Master> Yeah, I'll get it for you and then upload it hardkaare
[05:54] <Quest-Master> Give me a minute
[05:54] <hardkaare> Quest-Master, Thx you verry much
[05:54] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: pasted
[05:55] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: sorry got disconn please type again any solution...
[05:55] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Yeah, I'm looking
[05:55] <da_bon_bon> xiximkopp: can u please look too?
[05:55] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Don't worry about it.
[05:56] <Quest-Master> It's only a warning.
[05:56] <Quest-Master> If it works, it's fine.
[05:56] <anir> hello guys..
[05:57] <anir> how are you doing?
[05:57] <anir> hi to all
[05:57] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: but i dont get icons on desktop or on disks...
[05:58] <xiximkopp> da_bon_bon, where's your line???
[05:58] <Quest-Master> :o?
[05:58] <Quest-Master> xiximopp: #flood
[05:58] <anir> guys can anyone tell me is it possible to access my other drives from linux???
[05:58] <Quest-Master> anir: Yes
[05:58] <Quest-Master> I just explained it.. I'll explain it again for you though, no problem.
[05:58] <da_bon_bon> xiximkopp: now everything works, expect that hdc6 doesnt get mounted...
[05:58] <hardkaare> Quest-Master, would you pm a link to me, I have to go for a hour
[05:58] <xiximkopp> da_bon_bon, could you paste it again?
[05:58] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master now everything works, expect that hdc6 doesnt get mounted...
[05:58] <Quest-Master> Ok
[05:58] <da_bon_bon> xiximkopp: sure
[05:58] <anir> Quest-Master: i have windows installed in the other drive and it is FAT32
[05:59] <Quest-Master> I will do hardkaare
[05:59] <hardkaare> Quest-Master, thx
[05:59] <Quest-Master> Ok anir
[05:59] <Quest-Master> Do this
[05:59] <Quest-Master> sudo gedit
[05:59] <sri> crimsun: intersting you do that.
[05:59] <Quest-Master> anir: Open up /etc/fstab
[05:59] <afonit> does anybody know where to get the mplayer plugin for firefox, I did not see it on the firefox plugins website
[05:59] <Quest-Master> anir: Tell me once you are there
[05:59] <crimsun> sri: heh, it's not "bleeding edge" until stuff breaks daily :)
[05:59] <anir> Quest-Master: okay
[05:59] <Quest-Master> afonit: sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[05:59] <Quest-Master> anir: Add this line to the end of your fstab
[05:59] <afonit> and that works with firefox?
[05:59] <afonit> ok
[06:00] <Quest-Master> anir: /dev/hda#       /home/yourusernamehere/windows    vfat    umask=000,user       0       0
[06:00] <Quest-Master> Replace # with the number your partition is on
[06:00] <pisuke> I find the vlc plugin much better than mplayer
[06:00] <da_bon_bon> xiximkopp_, Quest-Master: i will brb after rebooting, please wait?
[06:00] <Quest-Master> And make a directory inside your home directory called windows
[06:00] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Sure
[06:00] <Quest-Master> anir: Replace yourusernamehere with your username on Ubuntu
[06:00] <Quest-Master> Ok?
[06:01] <sri> crimsun: indeed :)
[06:01] <Quest-Master> anir: Still there? ;)
[06:01] <kipod> xiximkopp,  u mean like this ? /dev/hdb7       /media/Programs vfat    rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=000,user    0     0
[06:01] <da_bon_bon> xiximkopp_, Quest-Master: i will brb after rebooting, please wait?
[06:02] <xiximkopp> kipod, yes
[06:02] <kipod> thanks
[06:02] <anir> Quest-Master: cant find fstab
[06:02] <kipod> xiximkopp,  my bad as i roll down i sow u ansered the same question
[06:02] <llun_ved> hello guys. the only thing that is preventing me from installing Ubuntu onto this machine is the USB flashdrive issue.
[06:02] <kipod> xiximkopp, thank u very much
[06:02] <Quest-Master> anir: Go to the terminal
[06:02] <Quest-Master> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[06:03] <xiximkopp> kipod, no problem
[06:03] <afonit> pisuke: thanks for that
[06:03] <Quest-Master> Did it work anir?
[06:03] <kipod> xiximkopp, may b u khow can i apply it without rebooting   ?
[06:03] <Quest-Master> sudo mount -a, kipod
[06:04] <tobidope> somebody tried toinstall ubuntu on a toshiba satellite m30x?
[06:04] <Quest-Master> Just type that in the terminal
[06:04] <kipod> Quest-Master, thanks
[06:04] <Quest-Master> No problem
[06:04] <afonit> tobidope, did you try linuxlaptops.com/org or whatever?
[06:04] <Quest-Master> afonit: If the apt-get mozilla-mplayer doesn't work (it didn't work for me), you can build it from source (which did work for me)
[06:05] <tobidope> afonit: yes,and it works withpure debian
[06:05] <anir> sudo gedit /etc/fstab: got it
[06:05] <afonit> yes, I was downloading that now quest-master ;)
[06:05] <Quest-Master> :)
[06:05] <afonit> tobidope, ahhh, ic
[06:05] <anir> Quest-Master: got it
[06:05] <Quest-Master> anir: Add that line at the end I showed you
[06:05] <Quest-Master> Then
[06:05] <Quest-Master> Replace the values I told you to replace
[06:05] <Quest-Master> And finally go to the terminal
[06:05] <kipod> hum but i still can't c the HDD on my computer folder =\
[06:05] <tobidope> but i get an error when it comesto theinstallation of extra packets
[06:05] <Quest-Master> And type in sudo mount -a
[06:05] <anir> Quest-Master: i did
[06:05] <Quest-Master> Ok
[06:06] <Quest-Master> sudo mount -a?
[06:06] <kipod> Quest-Master, yeah
[06:06] <anir> Quest-Master: should i type sudo mount-a???
[06:06] <Superman> how do i install warty?
[06:06] <Quest-Master> kipod: show me the line you just added of fstab
[06:06] <Quest-Master> anir: Yes
[06:06] <Quest-Master> anir: Inside the terminal
[06:07] <tobidope> the installation process just stops. i don't know why this happens
[06:07] <anir> sudo mount -a?
[06:07] <xiximkopp> kipod, i can, without reboot, without remount...
[06:07] <Superman> how do i install warty
[06:07] <Quest-Master> kipod: It's probably a minor problem
[06:07] <Superman> ??????
[06:07] <goatboy> if it's already mounted `mount -a` won't work.
[06:07] <Quest-Master> Yes.
[06:07] <tobidope> i started  installation withlinux hw_detection/start_pcmcia=false vga=771
[06:07] <crimsun> Superman: you download the iso, burn iso to cd-r, boot from cd-r, follow installation menu, ...
[06:08] <anir> Quest-Master: yes i did
[06:08] <goatboy> use `sudo mount -o remount /dev/foo`
[06:08] <kipod> goatboy,  yeah  there is some tihngy in what u say
[06:08] <Quest-Master> anir: Can you see your drive in /home/yourusername/windows now?
[06:08] <Quest-Master> kipod: umount /dev/hd#
[06:08] <Quest-Master> replace hd# with your partition name
[06:08] <anir> Quest-Master: which command i have to type to see it?
[06:08] <Superman> crimsun: boot means just to run it right?
[06:08] <Quest-Master> anir: Just go to /home/yourusername/windows
[06:09] <Quest-Master> It should all be inside there
[06:09] <Superman> crimsun: and how about partioning my windows XP?
[06:09] <Quest-Master> Superman: Get Partition Magic.
[06:09] <Quest-Master> Superman: Or any other partitioning program.
[06:09] <Superman> Quest-Master: is it for free?
[06:09] <Quest-Master> Superman: Partition Magic isn't.
[06:09] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:09] <da_bon_bon> imb
[06:09] <Quest-Master> Hey da_bon_bon
[06:09] <Quest-Master> Did it work?
[06:09] <Superman> Quest-Master: what is?
[06:09] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: works like magic
[06:10] <da_bon_bon> xiximkopp: thanks
[06:10] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Yay :)
[06:10] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: thanks
[06:10] <xiximkopp> da_bon_bon, no problem
[06:10] <kipod> hum i think i will just reboot
[06:10] <kipod> brb
[06:10] <Quest-Master> Superman: How big is your hard drive?
[06:10] <kipod> thank u dudes
[06:10] <llun_ved> * cough *
[06:10] <Quest-Master> 40GB? 60GB? 120GB?
[06:10] <Quest-Master> See ya kipod.
[06:10] <anir> Quest-Master: nope.. do i have to reboot my sys??
[06:10] <da_bon_bon> how do i use winamp playinst .m3u in rhythmbox?
[06:11] <Superman> Quest-Master: my win 2000 is about 5GB and my xp is 80GB
[06:11] <llun_ved> ewwwwww
[06:11] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: open the playlist in rhythmbox.
[06:11] <Quest-Master> anir: sudo mount -o remount /dev/partitionnamehere
[06:11] <Quest-Master> Superman: Do they both cover your entire hard drive?
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: doesnt work...
[06:11] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Use another media player
[06:11] <Superman> Quest-Master: i don't know, how would i find out?
[06:11] <Quest-Master> sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[06:12] <llun_ved> ANyone here in #Ubuntu work on Ubuntu
[06:12] <Quest-Master> Superman: How big is your entire hard drive?
[06:12] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: like?
[06:12] <Superman> Quest-Master: 80GB
[06:12] <tobidope> sc/quit
[06:12] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[06:12] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: eh...works for me.
[06:12] <Quest-Master> Rhythmbox isn't that great IMO
[06:12] <Quest-Master> Beep is better :D
[06:13] <crimsun> I use as many music players as possible
[06:13] <anir> Quest-Master: it says cant find in etc/fstab or etc mtab
[06:13] <Superman> Quest-Master: what happens if i don't partion?
[06:13] <Quest-Master> Superman: Can you replace your Win2000 with Ubuntu?
[06:13] <crimsun> never know when someone might ask for help regarding application X or Y
[06:13] <Quest-Master> anir: That doesn't sound good.
[06:13] <Quest-Master> Reboot anir.
[06:13] <llun_ved> hello
[06:13] <Superman> Quest-Master: should i
[06:13] <Quest-Master> Tell me how it goes.
[06:13] <llun_ved> anyone
[06:13] <Quest-Master> Superman: If you don't want Win2000, yeah.
[06:13] <crimsun> llun_ved: yes, many do
[06:13] <anir> Quest-Master: hold on i will be  back okay
[06:13] <crimsun> llun_ved: why?
[06:13] <Quest-Master> llun_ved: I don't, I'd like to though :)
[06:14] <Quest-Master> Hey kipod
[06:14] <Quest-Master> Did it work?
[06:14] <da_bon_bon> id rather download XMMS.
[06:14] <Superman> Quest-Master: ya i guess
[06:14] <llun_ved> crimsun, heh, i have an issue with Ubuntu not being able to see my USB flash drive
[06:14] <kipod> thank u ppl it worked grate
[06:14] <anir> i typed  sudo mount -o remount /dev/c.. it gives the message
[06:14] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: XMMS is an old version of Beep.
[06:14] <Superman> Quest-Master: so i just download and burn it to a CD?
[06:14] <Quest-Master> Use Beep.
[06:14] <Quest-Master> kipod: Yay.
[06:14] <Quest-Master> Superman: Yes.
[06:14] <llun_ved> i have done all the fstab tricks
[06:14] <kipod> Superman,  do u have WInXP now?
[06:14] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: so install it using Synaptic, apt-get, or aptitude; use it.
[06:15] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player, trust me ;)
[06:15] <Superman> kipod: yup
[06:15] <crimsun> many plugins have not been ported to bmp yet
[06:15] <Superman> how good is ubuntu really
[06:15] <Quest-Master> crimsun: Most XMMS plugins work with bmp perfectly fine
[06:15] <kipod> Superman, then y don't ya repartion  with windows manager
[06:15] <kipod> ?
[06:16] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: how much MB is it?
[06:16] <Superman> kipod: how
[06:16] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: cant i download the .tar.gz ?
[06:16] <Quest-Master> Superman: Once you get Ubuntu working, you'll fall in love with it
[06:16] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: It's very small.
[06:16] <kipod> Superman,  just right click on My Computer > manage
[06:16] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: why would you download the source when it's already available to be installed from Ubuntu?
[06:16] <Superman> Quest-Master: what is the difference with gnoppix and ubuntu
[06:16] <Superman> k
[06:16] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you would still need to compile the source after you downloaded it
[06:16] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: so if i use apt i wont download the sources ?
[06:17] <Quest-Master> Superman: Gnoppix is optimized as a Live CD
[06:17] <kipod> Superman,  then just make some room for UbuntuLinux  then in Ubuntu installtion u will have the option to partion it for linux native
[06:17] <Superman> kipod: then what?
[06:17] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Use apt. It's faster and easier.
[06:17] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: by default, no, you'll download and install the binaries and libraries.
[06:17] <kipod> sorry for my bad english
[06:17] <Quest-Master> Superman: Delete your Win2000 partition.
[06:17] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: apt gives an error about installing xmms
[06:17] <Quest-Master> Superman: Then, boot up the Ubuntu CD, and tell it to automatically repartition the free space.
[06:17] <Superman> kipod: what do i do when i click on manage?
[06:17] <Quest-Master> Superman: Very easy.
[06:17] <Superman> k
[06:17] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: sudo apt-get -f install
[06:18] <kipod> kipod,  yeah lieve some space on formated then on Ubuntu installtion u will have the option to format it as linux native
[06:18] <anir> hey i am back
[06:18] <anir> i cant see any change
[06:18] <kipod> Superman,  u just enter the disk management
[06:18] <Quest-Master> anir: Weird. :\
[06:19] <Quest-Master> anir: Does /home/yourusernamehere/windows exist?
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: pls join #flood
[06:19] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: paste the error in #flood
[06:19] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: yup.
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: pls join it
[06:19] <kipod> Superman,  there u will have the option to mount unmount format/delet partions
[06:19] <anir> Quest-Master: where did i suppose to create the windows folder?? home/username/... or home/windows??
[06:19] <Quest-Master> /home/username/windows, anir
[06:19] <unb> Where does "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" keep the configuration? I thought it was /etc/X11/xorg.conf but it is not created there.
[06:20] <anir> Quest-Master: yes i have done that..
[06:20] <anir> username is my user name right??
[06:20] <kipod> okay i got to get back to my HW on Thermo
[06:20] <kipod> thanks ppl for the help
[06:21] <Quest-Master> anir: And there's nothing inside it?
[06:21] <Quest-Master> Yes
[06:21] <Quest-Master> username is your Ubuntu username
[06:21] <Quest-Master> anir: Post your last fstab line here
[06:21] <anir> Quest-Master: give me the command to open fstab again
[06:22] <Quest-Master> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[06:22] <Superman> kipod: what should i do?
[06:23] <anir> Quest-Master: heck the line i had pasted is not there now????
[06:23] <etorix> ok .. couldnt get past that nvidia-glx error .. re-installed
[06:23] <Quest-Master> anir: You didn't save it then
[06:23] <Quest-Master> lol
[06:23] <anir> Quest-Master: no i didnt saved it..:(
[06:24] <Quest-Master> No wonder, hehe.
[06:24] <Quest-Master> No problem though.
[06:24] <anir> Quest-Master: i am such a stupid
[06:24] <Quest-Master> just add that line again.
[06:24] <Quest-Master> Then do the sudo mount -a in the terminal.
[06:24] <anir> i missed the line..
[06:24] <Quest-Master> Here
[06:24] <Quest-Master> /dev/hda#       /home/yourusernamehere/windows    vfat    umask=000,user       0       0
[06:25] <Superman> Quest-Master: how do i use the windows partioning?
[06:25] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: lottsa ppl having trouble mounting win partitions, isee :)
[06:25] <anir> Quest-Master: well there are 3 partitions in FAT32..so in # i will write 3..right?
[06:25] <Quest-Master> Superman:I haven't used the windows partitioning.
[06:25] <Quest-Master> anir: Correct.
[06:25] <Superman> o
[06:25] <Laosd> anybody had make working pmount with xfce ?
[06:25] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Yeah. ;)
[06:25] <Superman> where is kipod?
[06:25] <Quest-Master> Superman: Search for freeware partitioning tools.
[06:26] <Quest-Master> That'll make life much easier.
[06:26] <Quest-Master> ;)
[06:26] <SystemX_> i'm gonna download a ubuntu ISO which one should I get?
[06:26] <SystemX_> anyone care to say?
[06:26] <da_bon_bon> hey anyone here ordered ubuntu cds from shipit?
[06:26] <Quest-Master> SystemX_: The one that matches your system
[06:26] <SystemX_> well yea, but warty or the otherone?
[06:26] <Quest-Master> Wart.
[06:26] <Quest-Master> *Warty.
[06:26] <SystemX_> k
[06:26] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: #flood pls
[06:26] <Quest-Master> yup.
[06:26] <SystemX_> thanx
[06:27] <Superman> Quest-Master: can't i just install ubuntu once it is downloaded?
[06:27] <Superman> Quest-Master: why do i have to burn it to a cd?
[06:27] <huttan> Superman, how else will you access it from boot-up ?
[06:27] <Laosd> is it possible to working with xfce with pmount (because xffm seems check only fstab)
[06:27] <anir> Quest-Master: there is a new file system in the name "windows" has been created bnut when i click it it gives error msg
[06:27] <Quest-Master> anir: What is the message
[06:28] <Quest-Master> Superman: You could.
[06:28] <Superman> huttan: what is boot-up (srry, i'm dumb)
[06:28] <Quest-Master> Superman: Do this
[06:28] <bogus> elo all
[06:28] <anir> Quest-Master: unable to  mount the selected volume
[06:28] <Superman> Quest-Master: what?
[06:28] <Quest-Master> Superman: Just download and burn the CD
[06:28] <huttan> Superman, i mean..when you boot up, before you get into an operating system, you need to boot it up on a cd
[06:28] <Quest-Master> Superman: Then, when you do the partitioning part, erase the Win2000 partition and get the installer to repartition the space for Ubuntu
[06:28] <Quest-Master> It's easy.
[06:28] <mgedmin> huttan: some linux distros used to support installation more-or-less directly from dos/window by using loadlin.exe
[06:29] <huttan> mgedmin, but since when did ubuntu do it ?
[06:29] <anir> Quest-Master: so what should i do?
[06:29] <Superman> huttan: will the computer recognize the cd
[06:29] <mgedmin> that's why I said "some linux distros", and "used to"
[06:29] <Quest-Master> anir: Reboot
[06:29] <Quest-Master> Superman: Yes
[06:29] <mgedmin> I've no idea if loadlin can be used on anything more recent than windows 98
[06:29] <anir> Quest-Master: so it will work??
[06:29] <Quest-Master> anir: It should
[06:29] <huttan> Superman, if you have "boot from cd" set up correctly in bios, yes
[06:29] <Quest-Master> Come back if it doesn't
[06:30] <Superman> huttan: so i have to have the cd in when turning on my computer?
[06:30] <anir> Quest-Master: thank you man.. thank you very much
[06:30] <Quest-Master> Superman: It will most liekly.
[06:30] <huttan> Superman, yes
[06:30] <Quest-Master> Superman: Yes.
[06:30] <Quest-Master> *likely
[06:30] <anir> Quest-Master: yup.. i will reboot.
[06:30] <huttan> Quest-Master, you familiar with gdmflexiserver?
[06:30] <Superman> Quest-Master: so before i turn off my computer, i have to put the cd in and close it?
[06:31] <huttan> Superman, yes
[06:31] <Superman> WHAT!
[06:31] <Superman> huttan: isn't there any way esle without the cd?
[06:31] <Quest-Master> Superman: Why? :P
[06:31] <Quest-Master> Superman: It's not going to kill you. Or your computer.
[06:32] <huttan> Superman, just download what Quest-Master told you, burn it on a cd, leave it in after you burned it and reboot
[06:32] <Superman> Quest-Master: its a pain though
[06:32] <etorix> golly
[06:32] <Quest-Master> Err
[06:32] <Quest-Master> Why?
[06:32] <huttan> Superman, it couldnt be eassier
[06:32] <Superman> huttan: but i have to keep the cd in my comp evry time i started my comp up
[06:32] <huttan> no, just the first time, when you install ubuntu
[06:33] <Quest-Master> NO!
[06:33] <Quest-Master> lol
[06:33] <etorix> erm
[06:33] <Superman> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[06:33] <Quest-Master> Superman: Only when you have to install it you have to keep it in there
[06:33] <Quest-Master> lol
[06:33] <huttan> hehe
[06:33] <Quest-Master> Just like any other game CD or such.
[06:33] <Superman> Quest-Master: ohhhh now u tell me
[06:33] <Superman> lol
[06:33] <Quest-Master> lol
[06:33] <Superman> k, i'm really dumb
[06:33] <Quest-Master> No worries ;)
[06:33] <Superman> well 3 min to go
[06:33] <Quest-Master> Great.
[06:34] <Superman> is ubuntu better than mandrake?
[06:34] <anir> hey man its not working
[06:34] <Quest-Master> Superman: Yes it is
[06:34] <Quest-Master> Superman: I used Mandrake, so I would know. ;)
[06:34] <huttan> ubuntu beats all :)
[06:34] <Quest-Master> anir: I have no idea what is wrong.
[06:34] <anir> Quest-Master: its giving error special device /dev/hda3 does not exist
[06:35] <Quest-Master> anir: Paste me the last fstab line you added again
[06:35] <Superman> Quest-Master: is there a special way of burning the cd or do i just burn it by saying its a data isc?
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master, crimsun: same problem.... why dont i just download the .tar.gz ?
[06:35] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: apt-get update?
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: done.
[06:35] <Quest-Master> multiverse AND universe?
[06:35] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: in #flood, paste the output of `apt-cache policy xmms'
[06:35] <Quest-Master> Superman: Do you have Nero?
[06:36] <Superman> Quest-Master: no, i have sonic
[06:36] <Quest-Master> Superman: Find the option to burn an ISO CD
[06:36] <Superman> is nero free?
[06:36] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: see #flood
[06:36] <Quest-Master> Nope
[06:36] <Superman> anything free that i could use?
[06:36] <anir> Quest-Master: heck... there is no line atall...???? :((((
[06:36] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: can u gimme ur sources.list, please? thor; dcc?
[06:36] <Quest-Master> anir: Did you save it this time?
[06:37] <anir> Quest-Master: yes i did.. but there is not a single line now
[06:37] <Quest-Master> Is there nothing in there?
[06:37] <Quest-Master> :o
[06:37] <anir> Quest-Master: nope
[06:38] <Quest-Master> anir: Join #flood
[06:38] <anir> Quest-Master: hey now its coming..lol
[06:38] <Quest-Master> anir: Post your entire fstab there
[06:38] <Quest-Master> anir: Oh, is it working?
[06:38] <anir> Quest-Master: i am giving you the last line
[06:38] <Superman> Quest-Master: i went to help and found this about ISO on Sonic: Backup Projects > Understanding Image Files
[06:38] <Superman> Understanding Image Files
[06:38] <Superman> RecordNow! can take all the information stored on a CD or DVD and convert it into a single file called a disc image. That image file can then be used to reproduce the original disc. This is useful when you need to make several copies of the same disc but do not want to read from the source drive every time, or if you want to use your recorder to both read and write to your discs.
[06:38] <Superman> By having the image file stored on your hard drive, you free up the source disc for other uses. You can also send the image file across a network so other people can record their own copies.
[06:38] <Superman> Image file types
[06:38] <Superman> There are several image file types or formats. The makers of RecordNow! have created a format known as Global-Image. These Global-Image files contain not only the data files on a disc, but the exact placement of those files, their folder structure, read and write properties, and much more. Files in this format can be recognized by the .gi file name extension.
[06:38] <crimsun> um
[06:38] <Superman> Some mastering products cannot read Global-Image files, however. This could cause a problem if someone needed to create a disc from your image and they did not have the RecordNow! software program installed on their computer. For this reason, RecordNow! offers the option to create images of data discs in a less complete, but more compatible, format known as ISO. Files in this format can be recognized by the .iso file name extension.
[06:39] <Superman> The availability of the ISO image option depends on the type of disc (CD or DVD), the size of the file, and the number of tracks on the disc.
[06:39] <Superman> srry
[06:39] <Quest-Master> Ok
[06:39] <anir> Quest-Master: /dev/hda3       /home/anir/windows    vfat    umask=000,user       0       0
[06:39] <Quest-Master> Burn it.
[06:39] <Quest-Master> anir: Are you sure hda3 exists?
[06:39] <Superman> do i have to select an option?
[06:39] <huttan> anir, "," between vfat and umask
[06:39] <Quest-Master> Superman: Select the Burn ISO option.. or something along those lines
[06:39] <anir> Quest-Master: well i have 3 partitions in FAT system so i gave 3
[06:39] <Quest-Master> huttan: I don't have a comma between them
[06:40] <Superman> and the icon for warty is one of those that if u click on it will ask u for an application to open it with
[06:40] <huttan> no, im stupid
[06:40] <huttan> sorry
[06:40] <huttan> anir, can you mount it regulary w/o the fstab file ?
[06:40] <Quest-Master> anir: Try hda1 or hda2 instead.
[06:40] <anir> okay
[06:41] <anir> Quest-Master: i have given hda1..then what?
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> YAY i am getting xmms, i got my fs mounted.... man ubuntu ROCKS and so does this channel....
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master, crimsun: thanks.
[06:41] <Quest-Master> :D
[06:41] <Quest-Master> great da_bon_bon. :)
[06:42] <Quest-Master> anir: Save it.
[06:42] <Quest-Master> sudo mount -a
[06:42] <Quest-Master> In the terminal.
[06:42] <anir> Quest-Master: i saved it
[06:42] <ska1> hi all, what is the deb which installs calendar in thunderbird?
[06:42] <anir> Quest-Master: save in the terminal..how?
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> anir: please come on #flood and i will give u my fstab, so as to avoid any problems...
[06:44] <Quest-Master> anir: Save the fstab
[06:44] <Quest-Master> anir: Go to the terminal
[06:44] <da_bon_bon> how do i avoid typing passwords when 'sudo' ing? in visudo All=Nopasswd all ?
[06:44] <Quest-Master> anir: Type in sudo mount -a
[06:44] <anir> Quest-Master: yes i did
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> how do i avoid typing passwords when 'sudo' ing? in visudo All=Nopasswd all ?
[06:45] <Quest-Master> anir: Did it work?
[06:45] <anir> Quest-Master: its now showing my c drive
[06:45] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: here, do this
[06:45] <Quest-Master> anir: So it worked? :)
[06:45] <Superman> Quest-Master: i have 3 opts: ISO+Joliet, ISO+Joliet+UDF, or ISO Level 2
[06:45] <ska1> how do i install subird, the calendar app from mozilla foundation?
[06:45] <Quest-Master> Superman: Err.. is there a default option?
[06:46] <anir> Quest-Master: yes..but what about the other 2 partitions??
[06:46] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: sudo gedit /etc/sudoers
[06:46] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Find this line --  your_system_username    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[06:46] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Replace it with this:  your_system_username    ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[06:46] <Quest-Master> anir: Copy and paste that line and do it for the other two partitions
[06:47] <Quest-Master> I think you only have 2 partitions though
[06:47] <Quest-Master> Since hda3 does not exist
[06:47] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Did it work?
[06:47] <anir> Quest-Master: okay so i will type hda2 and hda3??
[06:47] <Quest-Master> Copy and paste that line and edit it for hda2 and hda3, yes.
[06:48] <anir> Quest-Master: in FAT32 i had C,D E and F..now  in F i have installed UBUNTU and i have Win98SE in C
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: worked. also, i have xmms too
[06:48] <Quest-Master> Great. :D
[06:48] <Quest-Master> anir: Try all three and see which ones work.
[06:48] <anir> okay
[06:49] <Quest-Master> Superman: you there?
[06:49] <Quest-Master> Superman: Use this program -- http://www.cdburnerxp.se/
[06:49] <Quest-Master> Burn an ISO with it
[06:49] <Superman> Quest-Master: ya the ISO+Joliet
[06:49] <Quest-Master> Ok
[06:49] <Quest-Master> Superman: Just try that then
[06:49] <Superman> k
[06:49] <Quest-Master> Use ISO+Joliet first
[06:49] <Quest-Master> Then, if it doesn't work, we'll use the new program I linked you to
[06:50] <Quest-Master> Burn the CD, boot up, and install it once you are done
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> how do i add XMMS option in the menus ?
[06:51] <Superman> Quest-Master: i'll just use the one u linked me to
[06:51] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: just log out and back in
[06:51] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: it should be in Applications>Sound & Video
[06:51] <anir> Quest-Master: i guess it will not take hda3
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> ok. can i get a nice UBUNTU pixmap for GRUB? how do install it?
[06:53] <Superman> Quest-Master?
[06:53] <Superman> Quest-Master: i have it installed
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> how do i set default boot option in grub? default= ?
[06:53] <lukins>  anyone else here stuck inside cause of the snow
[06:53] <spikeb> not me
[06:53] <spikeb> too used to snow
[06:54] <lukins> foot of snow outside and no one can leave parking
[06:54] <Quest-Master> anir: Too bad :(
[06:54] <Quest-Master> Superman: Ok
[06:54] <Quest-Master> Superman: Burn the ISO then :D
[06:54] <Superman> do i click the 1st opt
[06:55] <Quest-Master> For the ISO, yes
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master how do i set default boot option in grub? default= ?
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: how do i set default boot option in grub? default= ?
[06:56] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: default		X_sequence
[06:57] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Actually, just replace the X_sequence with the number of the OS
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: ok if i replace with title? do i need to a number? numbering starts from 0, right?
[06:58] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[06:58] <Quest-Master> So find the number of your OS on the list
[06:58] <bassinboy> got my ubuntu CDs!
[06:58] <tar`> 'lo
[06:59] <spikeb> bassinboy, i got mine yesterday :)
[06:59] <bassinboy> BAh!
[06:59] <tar`> I'm about to install Windows on a separate partition; how do I create a boot disk to restore grub once I'm done?
[06:59] <lukins> da_bon_bon have you tried System/System Settings/boot
[07:00] <Quest-Master> tar`: It's a better idea to install Windows THEN Ubuntu :(
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> lukins: wait trying.
[07:00] <anir> Quest-Master: hey can i use lindows for free??
[07:00] <Superman> Quest-Master: is the icon for warty suppose to look like an icon that when u click on it asks what app to open it with?
[07:00] <tar`> Quest-Master: I can't do much about that now, can I? ;)
[07:01] <tar`> Quest-Master: I did it like this on purpose because I thought if I had a boot disk, I should be able to simply install Grub again.
[07:01] <bassinboy> i'm about to install ubuntu
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> lukins: where is it system settings boot?
[07:01] <Quest-Master> anir: Nope.
[07:01] <Quest-Master> Superman: Don't open it.
[07:01] <bassinboy> but i dont want to install a boot loader, i will use my current one
[07:01] <tar`> Quest-Master: I didn't have a reason to install Windows until just now when EverQuest 2 arrived in the mail ;)
[07:01] <Superman> k
[07:01] <Quest-Master> tar`: Yeah. :(
[07:01] <lukins> da_bon_bon are you just trying to change the boot order?
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> lukins: yes.
[07:02] <Superman> Quest-Master: it'll take 5 mins
[07:02] <Quest-Master> Superman: Just burn it.. don't open.
[07:02] <Superman> Quest-Master: k
[07:02] <lukins> then click on the checkbox under default of the OS you want to boot
[07:02] <Quest-Master> :)
[07:02] <hardkaare> Quest-Master, thx for the screenshot,
[07:02] <anir> Quest-Master: do i have to pay for it?? but linux is free to use..isnt it?
[07:02] <Quest-Master> hardkaare: No problem. :D
[07:02] <Quest-Master> anir: Some companies like to make money off of Linux.
[07:02] <Quest-Master> anir: That's why I don't use SuSE anymore.
[07:02] <Quest-Master> Or RedHat.
[07:02] <Quest-Master> Or Lindows.
[07:02] <crimsun> and why shouldn't companies make money off linux?
[07:03] <Quest-Master> Or XandrOS.
[07:03] <jdub> that's a bizarre thing to say
[07:03] <crimsun> the very philosophy of linux doesn't preclude turning a profit
[07:03] <lukins> quest do you think that ubuntu/debian is comparable to those distros
[07:03] <spikeb> um
[07:03] <Quest-Master> It's my opinion. ;)
[07:03] <Superman> Quest-Master: would i be able to put it onto another comp without downloading on that comp using the cd
[07:03] <spikeb> ubuntu is sponsored by a company trying to make money off of linux
[07:03] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[07:03] <Quest-Master> Except they don't charge money for the distro itself.
[07:03] <hardkaare> Quest-Master, are you able to shre folders in ubuntu over samba just by right clicking and chooseing "shre"?
[07:03] <Quest-Master> Anyhow.
[07:03] <Quest-Master> hardkaare: I believe so.
[07:04] <jdub> hardkaare: no, you can't
[07:04] <Superman> Quest-Master: would i be able to put it onto another comp without downloading on that comp using the cd
[07:04] <tar`> hardkaare, I don't see that option
[07:04] <spikeb> so you're cheap, not philosophical.
[07:04] <spikeb> :P
[07:04] <Quest-Master> Superman: Yes.
[07:04] <da_bon_bon> in nautilus, if i double clik an icon, it opens in seaprate window. how do i have it open i nsame window?
[07:04] <Superman> k
[07:04] <Quest-Master> spikeb: And that is your opinion, to each his own. Now let's leave it at that, ok?
[07:04] <jdub> da_bon_bon: hold shift to close the previous window behind, or use browse mode.
[07:04] <tar`> da_bon_bon, there is a howto on UbuntuLinux.org somewhere under documentation.
[07:04] <Quest-Master> :)
[07:04] <Superman> Quest-Master: does ubuntu have a partioning option with it?
[07:05] <Neill> Are there any postfix guru's about?
[07:05] <Quest-Master> Superman: yes
[07:05] <Quest-Master> Superman: In the installer it does
[07:05] <Superman> ok
[07:05] <lamont> Neill: what you trying to do?
[07:05] <Superman> k
[07:05] <Quenyar> Installing VMware tools in ubuntu - am being asked "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel?"  Anybody have a clue?
[07:05] <Pozac> tar`, do you have a live cd?
[07:05] <Neill> I'm trying to get postfix to deliver mail to cyrus
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> jdub: how do i get to browse mode?
[07:05] <tar`> Pozac, Yup
[07:05] <lukins> da_bon_bon, ubuntuguide.org RTFM
[07:05] <Pozac> tar`, boot that
[07:05] <jdub> da_bon_bon: right click on a folder, choose browse
[07:05] <Neill> and also to authenticate people sending mail via my server
[07:05] <hardkaare> Quest-Master, would you look it up for me?
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> jdub: thanks. how do i set it as default mode?
[07:05] <jdub> da_bon_bon: in the file management preferences, you can set that as default
[07:05] <jdub> if you really prefer it
[07:06] <Neill> I've got as far as installing cyrus and postfix
[07:06] <Neill> and they both worked on their own
[07:06] <tar`> Pozac, erm, what then?
[07:06] <Superman> Quest-Master: do i have to partion my win 2000 before installing or could i do it with ubuntu?
[07:06] <Neill> but I'm having trouble with the user mapping between the two (or something similar)
[07:06] <Pozac> tar`, I'm not sure whether you need some mount trickery first, or if you just can run grub from there
[07:06] <Quest-Master> Superman: In the installer, just delete Win2000. Then get it to repartition the free space automatically.
[07:07] <Quest-Master> Superman: Very easy.
[07:07] <Superman> k
[07:07] <lamont> Neill: should just require using cyrus transport for local delivery
[07:07] <tar`> Pozac, Ooh yeah, I remember. I can install Grub from my Gentoo boot CD. Thanks!
[07:07] <lamont> or at least for the cyrus destined mail...
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> jdub: i LOVE it. where do i set default?
[07:07] <Superman> Quest-Master: just out of curiosity, what will happen if i delete win 2000 and nothing is on there, no OS
[07:07] <Quenyar> So no one knows the location of C header files used in the running kernel?
[07:07] <Quest-Master> Superman: You can just use it as storage.
[07:07] <Pozac> tar`, no problem.. you can just chroot into your old partition and run grub from there and use the old config
[07:08] <lamont> Neill: one of the bugs in http://bugs.debian.org/postfix-tls has a how-to for setting it up.
[07:08] <Superman> Quest-Master: k, the burning is complete
[07:08] <Superman> Quest-Master: what now?
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> jdub: i LOVE it. where do i set default?
[07:08] <lamont> that's in plan for hoary, I just need to figure out the cert crap to do it well.
[07:08] <Neill> lamont: thanks
[07:08] <spikeb> i liked what i saw of hoary yesterday
[07:09] <Superman> Quest-Master: what do i do now?
[07:09] <spikeb> Quenyar, /usr/include/linux i would think
[07:09] <Quest-Master> Superman: Reboot.
[07:09] <Superman> Quest-Master: was it ok to use a regular, 700 mb cd
[07:10] <Superman> Quest-Master: i am putting into my win 2000
[07:10] <Superman> i was using xp to download and burn
[07:10] <Quest-Master> Yup.
[07:10] <Quest-Master> As long as the CD is burned.
[07:10] <Quest-Master> You are good.
[07:10] <Quest-Master> Just reboot.
[07:10] <Superman> ok
[07:11] <Superman> i'm putting it into my win 2000 and rebooting
[07:11] <da_bon_bon> how do i get a splash screen for GRUB ??
[07:11] <Quenyar> spikeb:  VMware responded "The header files in /usr/linclude/linux are generally for C libraries, not for the running kernel, ... "  is this the location, or is it likely that I do not have the kernel source files installed?
[07:12] <lukins> Quenyar, what are you trying to compile, may i ask?
[07:12] <Superman> Quest-Master: its starting up win 2000. is this right?
[07:12] <Quenyar> lukins:  vmware tools
[07:13] <ogra> Quenyar: install the linux-headers package matching your kernel version
[07:13] <lukins> Quenyar, i had the same problem with mplayer, so now i'm actually recompiling the kernel to see if I can get it to compile
[07:13] <Superman> Quest-Master: its starting up win 2000, is this suppose to happen?
[07:13] <lukins> Quenyar, I tired what ogra suggested....
[07:14] <spikeb> hmm
[07:14] <lukins> superman, do you have boot from cd enabled?
[07:14] <Superman> dunno
[07:14] <ogra>  Quenyar: also the build-essential package is needed
[07:14] <Pozac> it needs to try booting from the CD before it tries the disk
[07:14] <lukins> Superman, you need to look in your bios and make sure you have boot from cd enabled
[07:14] <Pozac> it's a BIOS setting
[07:15] <Quenyar> ogra:  please remind me how to verify my current kernel number?  And then I'd need to apt-get install linux-headers<n> ?
[07:15] <ogra>  Quenyar: there is a wiki page for vmware anywhere on ubuntulinux.org iirc
[07:15] <Quest-Master> Superman: No. :(
[07:15] <Killian> anyone here w. Dual Monitors ?
[07:15] <ogra> Quenyar: uname -r
[07:15] <Quest-Master> Superman: When your computer starts up, type in F12 and make sure the CD is at the top of the BIOS
[07:16] <Pozac> Superman, possibly it's the delete key
[07:17] <Quenyar> ogra:  with kernel 2.6.8.1-3 could you please tell me the apt-get command I would need to enter to obtain the correct linux-headers package?
[07:18] <Pozac> Superman, also.. if the computer boots the windows CD, you've burned the CD wrong :)
[07:18] <Pozac> Quenyar, use Synaptic?
[07:18] <lukins> Quenyar, its under kernel-heades
[07:19] <lukins> headers
[07:19] <Quenyar> ok i'm dumb - keep trying to be smarter than the O/S
[07:19] <bassinboy> OMG, ubuntu just wiped my HD
[07:20] <ogra> Quenyar: depends, it is also depending on your arch (386, 686, k7)
[07:20] <Pozac> bassinboy, really?
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> how do i ask firefox to open external links in _new tabs_ ??
[07:21] <ogra> Quenyar: but this should work and pull in the right arch: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3
[07:21] <miausX> hi! :)
[07:21] <bassinboy> i formatted a 15gm partition, hda1, for ubuntu, and it got hung on 33% so i had to un plug my computer and everything on my HD is gone
[07:21] <amex> how can i mount my usb memory stick device?
[07:21] <martin_> does anybody know how to make q3 run on ubuntu linux?
[07:21] <martin_> (quake 3 arena)
[07:21] <sjoerd> amex: plug it in
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: you here ?
[07:21] <amex> sjoerd, it didn't work
[07:22] <Pozac> bassinboy, got hung? hmmm
[07:22] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Sure am.
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: how do i ask firefox to open external links in _new tabs_ ??
[07:22] <lek> _
[07:22] <miausX> da_bon_bon: that is explained in the wiki :)
[07:22] <Pozac> bassinboy, sounds like the hard drive might be broken if it hangs during format
[07:23] <miausX> da_bon_bon: please, go to www.ubuntulinux.org and search there
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> miausX: sorry. ok
[07:23] <miausX> Pozac: hi! ;D
[07:23] <Pozac> bassinboy, what kind of computer?
[07:23] <amex> sjoerd, can't I do something like mount /dev/foo /mnt/foo
[07:23] <Pozac> hey miausX! ;)
[07:24] <sjoerd> amex: it should just work (tm)
[07:24] <miausX> da_bon_bon: oh! no problem, excuse me, but I don't remember how you can do that, so I give you the link :)
[07:24] <ogra> amex: look if the device appears in the device manager
[07:24] <bassinboy> Pozac: ibm netvista
[07:25] <Superman> Quest-Master: its saying it has a media failure or smthng
[07:25] <Pozac> bassinboy, seems you're running knoppix now.. are the partitions really gone, as in the files in /dev missing?
[07:25] <Pozac> hmm.. an ibm
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: can u pls help anir as i am unable to ?
[07:25] <Quenyar> thanks all, helpful as always (well, mostly always :-)}
[07:26] <bassinboy> Pozac:  theres a hda for all numbers, but they wont mount
[07:27] <Pozac> bassinboy, that sounds really odd
[07:27] <amex> ogra, there are some "USB Hub Interface", but I can't see anything about the memory stick
[07:27] <bassinboy> fdisk shows no partitons on my drive.
[07:27] <ogra> amex: even if you plug out and in ?
[07:27] <Pozac> I'm just a volunteer, anyone more offical who wants to help bassinboy here?
[07:27] <amex> ogra, yes
[07:28] <Superman> Quest-Master: its saying it has a media failure or smthng
[07:28] <ogra> amex: on  a default warty install ?
[07:28] <amex> ogra, yes
[07:29] <Pozac> bassinboy, not really sure how to go about it - if the disk is ok and ubuntu fucked up, I believe your data should be recoverable
[07:29] <edulix> hi !
[07:29] <bassinboy> please? i had a lot of information on my HD
[07:29] <Pozac> just as long as you don't touch anything
[07:29] <ogra> amex: hmm, thats weird, should work, have you seen this device working on other OSes ?
[07:29] <sjoerd> amex: can you run ps axf | grep hal
[07:29] <arctick> in the debian installer, when it gives you the package selection does the "File server" option mean ftp server or something else?
[07:29] <ogra> sjoerd: hal seems to work...deviace manager runs
[07:30] <sjoerd> hrm, true.. if it was D then it wouldn't do device manager
[07:30] <amex> ogra, Not yet, I buy it today
[07:30] <Pozac> bassinboy, any strange noises from the disk? screechy noise while it was hung?
[07:30] <lek> arctick, im sure thats for samba
[07:30] <bassinboy> Disk /dev/hda doesn't contain a valid partition table
[07:30] <arctick> ahh, not what i want then
[07:30] <ogra> amex: you probably need to format it.....
[07:31] <bassinboy> Pozac: no, the ubuntu partiton screen just stoped
[07:31] <sjoerd> ogra: then you would still have the memory stick in device manager :)
[07:31] <amex> ogra, ???
[07:31] <ogra> amex: run in a terminal: tail -f /var/log/messages  ....and plug it out and in again, see if there is any output in the term
[07:32] <amex> sjoerd,  3559 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges
[07:32] <sjoerd> that's ok
[07:32] <amex> sjoerd,  4750 ?        S      0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/hal-device-manager
[07:32] <Pozac> So there are no canonical support people alive inhere atm?
[07:33] <sjoerd> bassinboy: you did erase entire disk during install ?
[07:33] <tar`> Dang, Windows won't install.
[07:33] <tar`> Is it related to Ubuntu being on the drive?
[07:33] <Pozac> Wrong channel, tar` :)
[07:34] <bassinboy> sjoerd: No, i explained what i did above, i just used a fat32 on the first sector, made it reiser and mounted it /
[07:34] <amex> ogra, nothing happens... I will try in at windows :(
[07:34] <ogra> bassinboy: you "made it reiser" ??
[07:34] <Pozac> Why wont it install, tar` ?
[07:35] <tar`> It says "detecting computer's configuration" then the screen goes black and nothing happens.
[07:35] <bassinboy> ogra: i selected reiser, and while it was formatting it stoped on 33% and i unpluged my computer
[07:36] <amex> ogra, It didn't work at windows too. I think its broken
[07:36] <anir> is there any room for linspire
[07:36] <spikeb> yeah i had my format stop at 33 percent
[07:36] <tar`> I'm going to unplug my second drive and try again. If it still won't boot, it's probably Ubuntu :\
[07:36] <tar`> Ta-ta
[07:36] <spikeb> all i did was reboot and restart the installation from scratch
[07:36] <Pozac> ffs
[07:36] <spikeb> worked fine the second time
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> anir: hi
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> anir: working?
[07:36] <anir> thank you very much da_bon_bon :D
[07:37] <anir> da_bon_bon: yes its working
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> anir: YAY!! it worked....
[07:37] <keert-jan> where has micolous gone?
[07:37] <s0cks> Warty takes a long time to extract.
[07:37] <kent_> have any one tried to compile the qc-usb module for the logitech quickcam ?
[07:37] <anir> YAHOO...U ROCK da_bon_bon
[07:37] <keert-jan> where has micolous gone?
[07:38] <Pozac> keert-jan, micolous?
[07:38] <anir> da_bon_bon come to #flood.. i need to talk to u...plz
[07:38] <amex> ogra, thanks, bye
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> anir: oh, i was helped in the first place by Quest-Master
[07:38] <anir> Quest-Master Rocks
[07:38] <Quest-Master> lol
[07:38] <s0cks> da_bon_bon: How is that LUG coming??
[07:38] <Quest-Master> I'll help you guys out, one second.
[07:38] <anir> Quest-Master: thank you
[07:39] <anir> Quest-Master: :D thank you all guys
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> s0cks: fine.. :) u remembered?
[07:39] <ogra> kent_: doesnt the pwc module work ?
[07:39] <anir> thank you da_bon_bon
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> anir: no problem, man...
[07:40] <michel_v> ogra: there are non-philips based quickcams
[07:40] <michel_v> this is probably the module for them
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> how do i add something to the start up - i want gaim to start with my computer!
[07:41] <spikeb> da_bon_bon, just leave gaim running when you log out/shut down and it'll start when gnome does next time
[07:41] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, leave it running and save your session at logout
[07:41] <anir> da_bon_bon: why every time i click on a folder a new windows appears.. can i make it appear in a single window?
[07:41] <kent_> ogra, well, im trying to get the webcamera ( 046d:0870 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express) to work on a friends computer remotly via ssh. I did a search on google, and it said that i have to use that driver to get that webcam to work. And i have a problem with the script to find my kernelsource, even though its installed.)
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> anir: u and me are connected... i hadthe same question too. :D wait...
[07:41] <s0cks> da_bon_bon: Yep.
[07:41] <Pozac> anir, check the 'always_use_browser' key in /apps/nautilus in gconf editor
[07:41] <PotajiTo> is there any channel where I can ask some questions about hardware?not #hardware, it's kinda dead
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> s0cks: nice of u
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> anir: open nautilus, goto preferences
[07:42] <anir> pozac: can u tell me how i should go about it?
[07:42] <Pozac> anir, gconf-editor in Applications -> System
[07:42] <spikeb> PotajiTo, i cant think of one, you can just try asking in various channels you're in
[07:42] <PotajiTo> ok ;)
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: even i dont get GConf....
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> anir: open nautilus, goto preferences
[07:43] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, But it's so easy
[07:43] <spikeb> it's a bit geeky though
[07:43] <anir> can i open it from terminal?? give me the command..da_bon_bon
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: but where do i access it from?
[07:43] <spikeb> anir, open a nautilus window, goto edit->preferences, behavior tab, check always open in browser windows
[07:43] <Pozac> oh.. there's a button now
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> anir: easier. open any one folder goto preferences
[07:44] <ogra> kent_:  modinfo c-qcam ?
[07:44] <spikeb> Pozac, yeah they stuck that in in 2.8
[07:44] <PotajiTo> what would you choose ....amd64 3200+ or p4 prescott 3ghz? both cost practically the same money
[07:44] <spikeb> PotajiTo, amd64
[07:44] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, application preference dialogs and gconf-editor?
[07:44] <ogra> kent_: not sure if that works for usb though
[07:44] <PotajiTo> any special reason?
[07:44] <spikeb> PotajiTo, i like amd better, 64 bit, and it's faster.
[07:44] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, have you browsed around and noticed how much of control-center is in gconf?
[07:45] <Pozac> it's perfect for that :)
[07:45] <PotajiTo> ok, now... VIA or nforce3?
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: even in terminal "gconf" doesnt open.
[07:45] <spikeb> PotajiTo, nforce. via sucks.
[07:45] <anir> yes it done... U ROCK GUYS...:D
[07:45] <lek> spikeb, via doesn't suck
[07:45] <ogra> da_bon_bon: gconftool or gconf-editor
[07:46] <spikeb> of the two choices, one clearly sucks compared to the other.
[07:46] <PotajiTo> does nforce3 sound work under linux?and ethernet?
[07:46] <Pozac> PotajiTo, I'm an AMD day, for my P4 albeit being fast hasn't the same 'punch' as the amd's
[07:46] <spikeb> that was via.
[07:46] <Pozac> guy, not day.. doh
[07:46] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, it's not a program
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> oh ok got it. but where is it in menus ?
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: what is it then?
[07:47] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, it's more of a daemon than something you go around starting
[07:47] <ogra> da_bon_bon: gconf-editor is in the applications menu......
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> Pozac, ogra: got it
[07:47] <ogra> da_bon_bon: in system tools i think (german here)
[07:47] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, it's not supposed to be used directly.. however it's hierachical settings-hierachy is exposed via gconf-editor.. or Configuration Editor
[07:48] <kent_> ogra, well.. it mentions parport,  so i guess it doesn't work.  But i will try some more to get qc-usb to work.
[07:49] <Pozac> (my gnome is danish)
[07:49] <spikeb> PotajiTo, check this out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesDesktops
[07:49] <ogra> kent_: i would first try a modprobe of this module and look with dmesg if its really wrong before i spend more time on compiling.... :)
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> ogra: does ubuntu support german ?
[07:49] <PotajiTo> thanks
[07:50] <ogra> da_bon_bon: if i look at my system it seems to pretend that, yes ;)
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> ogra: ;) lol. u mean it isnt perfect, right?
[07:50] <spikeb> seems it works
[07:50] <spikeb> i would think so, nvidia's been real good about drivers.
[07:50] <PotajiTo> I'm not sure... ati or nvidia? I have an ati 8500 and it works so nice.... in windows, i don't like nvidia too much but not having decent drivers on linux.......
[07:50] <spikeb> my ati card works pretty good in linux
[07:51] <spikeb> but nvidia's drivers are better heh
[07:51] <Pozac> PotajiTo, the 8500 works well with the opensource ati drivers
[07:51] <ogra> da_bon_bon: i run warty and modified it to german utf8 support .... everything seems fine here :)
[07:51] <martin_> is totem xine good for mp3's too?
[07:51] <PotajiTo> not the 2d render acceleration Pozac
[07:51] <Pozac> PotajiTo, but not exactly super fast or anything...
[07:51] <ogra> martin_: yep....but rhythmbox is better there
[07:51] <spikeb> yes, if you want to use it martin_
[07:51] <PotajiTo> and i dont play at linux, I only wnat xorg to look nice xD
[07:51] <Pozac> PotajiTo, did you install from dri.sourceforge.net ?
[07:52] <martin_> how do i get rhythmbox?
[07:52] <spikeb> rhythmbox should be installed by default.
[07:52] <spikeb> you need ot install gstreamer-mad before it can read mp3s though
[07:52] <ogra> martin_: its the media player app in your menu
[07:52] <Pozac> 'Music Player' in Applications -> Multimedia
[07:52] <PotajiTo> yes Pozac, am I doing something wrong?
[07:53] <ogra> martin_: spikeb is right, see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:53] <martin_> oh, gstreamer mad?
[07:53] <Pozac> PotajiTo, I had an 8500, as I recall it worked well?
[07:53] <martin_> ok thanks.. cant i get it off synapt?
[07:53] <PotajiTo> recall?sorry not english
[07:53] <ogra> martin_: with universe enabled, yes
[07:53] <spikeb> yes, read that webpage and it tells you how
[07:54] <martin_> oh ok then, i have universe enabled
[07:54] <Pozac> PotajiTo, remember :)
[07:54] <PotajiTo> huh... mine is so slow with the shadows in xorg 6.8.1
[07:54] <spikeb> everythign is slow with xorg's new stuff enabled
[07:54] <Pozac> PotajiTo, what does glxinfo say?
[07:55] <spikeb> that's why it's not enabled by default!
[07:55] <Pozac> hmm
[07:55] <ogra> spikeb: because it slows you down :-P
[07:55] <PotajiTo> 3d acceleration is fine
[07:55] <Pozac> ok
[07:55] <PotajiTo> very nice indeed
[07:55] <spikeb> yes - it's not ready for prime time.
[07:55] <PotajiTo> but 2d render not
[07:55] <spikeb> PotajiTo, it's not a card issue.
[07:55] <spikeb> it's an xorg issue
[07:55] <spikeb> (slow eye candy)
[07:55] <Pozac> I seem to have heard it was ok with nvidia?
[07:56] <PotajiTo> but the shadows with my gforce2 mx worked perfectly
[07:56] <Pozac> the 8500 should be able to it all in hardware while napping
[07:56] <ogra> compmgr isnt working right currently, nd its unlikely that it gets sorted before hoary is released
[07:56] <spikeb> which is fine, because it'
[07:57] <spikeb> shoudnt be enabled anyway
[07:57] <spikeb> heh
[07:57] <ogra> but it should at least be there :)
[07:57] <spikeb> heh
[07:57] <PotajiTo> .. ogra xcompmgr, as I say, worked perfectly smooth with an nvidia
[07:57] <Pozac> well.. I'm using a 4mb mach64 in my ibm x21, and it's just a wee bit too slow with the shadows and transparency to be usable
[07:58] <ogra> PotajiTo: not on any of mine...either mac or intel :)
[07:58] <spikeb> i wish my damn nvidia card worked with this motherboard
[07:58] <spikeb> brb
[07:58] <kent_> ogra, i did a modprobe on it, and it loads with no errors. dmesg gives me two lines of information which im not sure if it actually have found a device or not. Im unsure if to paste it here, should i?
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> to start gaim every time my comp start, i must 'save session' before closing?
[07:58] <spikeb> da_bon_bon, yes
[07:58] <ogra> kent_: two lines are ok
[07:58] <ogra> kent_: post them
[07:58] <spikeb> da_bon_bon, my advice is save session automatically
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> spikeb: how?
[07:59] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, you must save it once
[07:59] <ogra> da_bon_bon: just save it once on logout, it will keep gaim in the session then
[07:59] <spikeb> da_bon_bon, computer menu ->desktop preferences->sessionsand click automatically save changes to session
[07:59] <kent_> ogra, Linux video capture interface: v1.00 Colour QuickCam for Video4Linux v0.05  (haha, made it into one line. not much info..)
[07:59] <Pozac> then gaim will be added to your session, and next time the option is not needed
[08:00] <ogra> kent_: hmm... can you do a: lsmod|grep videodev
[08:00] <da_bon_bon> spikeb: thanks.
[08:01] <kent_> ogra, gvideodev    9856  1 c_qcam
[08:01] <kent_> ogra, with out the "g" :)  dont know how it got there ;)
[08:01] <ogra> kent_: hmm, could you test the cam anyhow ? is your firend at the display ?
[08:01] <Pozac> o<tab>g<paste>
[08:02] <kent_> ogra, he is there, but he is very stupid, so if there is an easy way to find out if it works, i would be very happy :)
[08:03] <ogra> kent_: the last time i used such a cam is about 4 years ago, i got no idea how you test such things today....
[08:03] <kent_> ogra, perhaps gnomemeeting will tell if the device works? i can look into those programs to see my self first. thanks anyway
[08:03] <Pozac> kent_, what's the group of the device file, kent_ ?
[08:04] <ogra> kent_: gnomemeeting is a good start .... look in the setup
[08:05] <Pozac> I'm thinking perhaps the user needs to be in the v4l group or something
[08:06] <arctick> how can i find out my ip from the cmnd line?
[08:06] <joshua__> ifconfig
[08:06] <arctick> thanks i knew it was something like that but i was trying ipconfig
[08:06] <joshua__> I'm running a dual head on an ATI 9700 pro, someone said that if i want to get decent framerates in 3d games that i should make 2 X servers one set up for dual-head and one set up for single head... how would i do this
[08:06] <joshua__> arctick, windows user are we?
[08:06] <arctick> no
[08:06] <joshua__> arctick, hehe
[08:07] <Pozac> kent_, If you have a direction connection to his PC, you could use VNC
[08:07] <arctick> used to be, but ive used mainly linux for about a year, i just am mostly in gnome
[08:07] <kent_> Pozac, its a 2mb adsl connection, will that be to slow?
[08:07] <Pozac> kent_, not at all
[08:07] <Hikaru79> In *desperate* need of help. I have a laptop with no CD-ROM drive that I want to put Ubuntu on. It's in a network with this computer (running Ubuntu). Can someone please walk me through netboot? The guide on the site is way too convoluted x_x
[08:07] <jdub> arctick: you can use gnome-nettool too :)
[08:08] <ogra> jdub: hey....
[08:08] <arctick> this is for a debian-sarge box im setting up as a web/php/sql/ftp server to play with
[08:08] <ogra> jdub: was your webcam in mataro a quickcam ?
[08:08] <Quenyar> ok, I give up.  How do I modify the application menu to add new menu items?
[08:08] <Pozac> What's the english shortcut to the vino properties in desktop settings?
[08:08] <kent_> Pozac, what do you meen with group of the device file?
[08:08] <spikeb> with a right click in the proper place
[08:08] <spikeb> heh
[08:09] <Pozac> Quenyar, open a file browser window, hit CTRL-L, type in applications://
[08:09] <kent_> Pozac, what do i need on my computer and on the remote, to work with vnc?  vino?
[08:09] <jdub> ogra: yeah
[08:09] <Pozac> kent_, if you 'ls -l /dev/video0' (if that's the file) you will se the owner and group
[08:09] <Pozac> kent_, I believe vino is installed by default.
[08:10] <kent_> Pozac, oh.. but it showed no /dev/video :(
[08:10] <ogra> jdub: whick module did you use ? kent_ tries to get his running....
[08:10] <ogra> which
[08:10] <jdub> pwc
[08:10] <jdub> it just works on hoary
[08:10] <Quenyar> Pozac:  I could just select <run> from the applications menu, too, but I want to add it to the default gnome applications menu
[08:10] <ogra> ah, was my first guess :)
[08:10] <ogra> oh
[08:10] <ogra> :(
[08:10] <wood1> how do I get rid of KDE and all it's applications completely ? It's slowing my PC down
[08:10] <wood1> hi to all
[08:11] <joshua__> I'm running a dual head on an ATI 9700 pro, someone said that if i want to get decent framerates in 3d games that i should make 2 X servers one set up for dual-head and one set up for single head... how would i do this
[08:11] <arctick> IT LIVES
[08:11] <ogra> wood1: remove the kde libs package
[08:11] <Pozac> kent_, you need something like xvncviewer
[08:11] <Pozac> Quenyar, at the top level?
[08:11] <Riddell> wood1: it won't slow anything down unless you're running it
[08:11] <Quest-Master> How can I force the CD-ROM drive to open? x_x
[08:11] <Quenyar> there used to be a menu editor with gnome, but I don't see it anywhere
[08:12] <punkrockguy318> Quest-Master, put a needle in the hole
[08:12] <Pozac> Quenyar, use nautilus
[08:12] <Quest-Master> sure :P
[08:12] <ogra> Quenyar: in gnome 1.x .....
[08:12] <kent_> ogra, the pwc module lists more info according to dmesg, but its just info about supported devices,  i dont think it actually tells me its working :(
[08:13] <wood1> Will removing the KDE improve the speed
[08:13] <punkrockguy318> Pozac, how?
[08:13] <jdub> wood1: simply having stuff installed won't slow your machine down
[08:13] <ogra> kent_: jdub just told me its only working in hoary.... which i would not suppose for a unexperienced user like your friend
[08:13] <wood1> hum
[08:13] <kent_> ogra, hmm, did not see this line before "usbcore: registered new driver Philips webcam" perhaps that one should be read as it has found a device?
[08:14] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, open a file manager window, hit CTRL-L, type in applications://
[08:14] <ogra> kent_: yep :)
[08:14] <wood1> How do I open the Gnome Nautilas file manager from XFCE ?
[08:14] <jdub> wood1: run 'nautilus'
[08:14] <ogra> kent_: but it should also spit out a device number or something
[08:15] <Pozac> wood1, possible 'nautilus --no-desktop'
[08:15] <kent_> ogra, it does not :( and still no /dev/vid*  :(
[08:15] <punkrockguy318> thank you
[08:15] <Pozac> no problem
[08:15] <ogra> kent_: as i said, it probably only works in hoary
[08:15] <wood1> Well, all the icons are different if I just run "nautilus" from XFCE
[08:16] <Pozac> wood1, nautilus --no-desktop
[08:16] <kent_> ogra, how come? newer modules there?
[08:16] <wood1> Oh no, my Applications list is now gone
[08:16] <Pozac> wood1, or edit /apps/nautilus/manage_desktop from gconf-editor
[08:16] <ogra> kent_: newer kernel
[08:16] <wood1> when I right click the desktop
[08:16] <ogra> kent_: newer apps....
[08:16] <Pozac> wood1, the desktop is now nautilus
[08:17] <ogra> kent_: but not suitable for your friend right now....
[08:17] <wood1> So I have to log out to get the XFCE desktop
[08:17] <Quenyar> tere must be some kind of configuration file I can edit to modify what appears on the gnome applications menu
[08:18] <GregoryD> anyone ever have any problems with losing their audio once they install KDE?  mine went completely dead and I can't figure out how to fix it
[08:18] <lek> open kmix and change default default back to analog gregory
[08:18] <lek> default digital*
[08:18] <Pozac> wood1, no no, just 'killall nautilus'
[08:18] <Pozac> dang
[08:19] <podengo> Hi All! I think I may have mucked something up trying to record to my laptop cd drive about 6 weeks ago. I lost my notes on what I did exactly, but it involved editing my /boot/grub/menu.lst file and /etc/modules.conf. I "thinik" I put them back as they should be, but my problem is that I cannot mount my cdrom drive. I somehow may have destroyed my /dev/hdc and /dev/cdrom, because they're not there now via an ls. dmesg does show me "hdc: UJDA
[08:19] <podengo> 740 DVD/CDRW, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive", but I have no /dev/hdc.
[08:19] <bobmepis> ciao
[08:20] <Pozac> wood1, now run 'gconf-editor'
[08:20] <ogra> podengo: try: lsmod|grep ide-cd
[08:20] <wood1> Yup, it's open now Prozac
[08:21] <wood1> what's next ?
[08:21] <Pozac> wood1, and navigate to /apps/nautilus/preferences in the left pane, find 'show_desktop' in the right pane and disable it
[08:21] <Pozac> Now nautilus will not take over your desktop when you run it.
[08:21] <Pozac> Even if you open Gnome.
[08:21] <Crane> hello again
[08:21] <wood1> Wow, Pozac, thanks for the tips
[08:22] <Pozac> wood1, np
[08:22] <Hikaru79> Please, can someone *please* walk me through installing ubuntu with netboot?
[08:22] <wood1> I was lost when I run Nautilus
[08:22] <Pozac> wood1, merry christmas :)
[08:22] <Crane> I finally got to install ubuntu today
[08:22] <wood1> Merry Christmas to you and everybody here
[08:23] <Crane> Not sure i like it yet
[08:23] <Pozac> Crane, really?
[08:23] <Fator_Tee> Crane: you will :-)
[08:23] <wood1> Ubuntu really shines
[08:23] <Crane> I hope so but I'm having problems right now
[08:23] <Crane> to root account
[08:23] <Crane> to x server
[08:23] <Hikaru79> ;_; Nobody loves me...
[08:23] <Pozac> root should never do X
[08:24] <Pozac> your user should use 'sudo'
[08:24] <ogra> Hikaru79: already read this ? http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/index.html
[08:24] <Crane> I understand that
[08:24] <Pozac> Good
[08:24] <ogra> Crane: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:24] <Crane> I wasn't trying to startx x from root I said yaht wrong
[08:24] <wood1> Why does the Nautilus Manager shows weird icons instead of the default GNOME icons ?
[08:25] <mgedmin> wood1: start gnome-settings-daemon
[08:25] <Pozac> Crane, ok :) what say you then?
[08:25] <Crane> when I tried to startx I it tells me command not found
[08:25] <wood1> I am using the XFCE Window Manager
[08:25] <Crane> I also read about using sudo but it asks for a password?
[08:26] <Pozac> Crane, why are you not just using GDM?
[08:26] <Fator_Tee> Crane: that's you accounts password
[08:26] <Pozac> Crane, sudo asks about your own password
[08:26] <Fator_Tee> *your
[08:26] <ogra> Crane: read the wiki page
[08:26] <bobmepis> to open a terminal root write " sudo xterm -ls -sb ti"
[08:26] <Crane> oh lol
[08:26] <mgedmin> wood1: gnome-settings-daemon is responsible for picking the right icon for a given file; if it is not running nautilus shows the default icon for all kinds of files
[08:26] <Crane> sorry not real familiar with sudo command... I will read
[08:26] <ogra> bobmepis: or just use the root-terminal from the menu
[08:27] <Crane> Like I said I just install and I get a text based log on only
[08:27] <wood1> How do I run the gnome-settings-daemon. Just type it in a bash prompt ?
[08:27] <Crane> X never starts niether does a gdm
[08:27] <mgedmin> yes
[08:27] <ogra> Crane: what kind of card is that ?
[08:27] <Gorth> How do I mount a vfat partition (/etc/fstab) so normal users can get access to it?
[08:28] <Crane> hmmmm
[08:28] <Pozac> *cough* mount fstab *cough*
[08:28] <Pozac> *cough* man fstab *cough*
[08:28] <Crane> it's an nvidia crad but I don't remember what version
[08:28] <ogra> Gorth: thats mine: /dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       vfat    rw,user,noauto,umask=000  0       0
[08:28] <Crane> 400 mx maybe
[08:28] <Pozac> (man my brain is lame today)
[08:28] <Hikaru79> ogra, that guide doesn't help. All it says is that it's possible. it gives maybe two lines on the whole topic
[08:28] <Pozac> Crane, oh, you would need the restricted drivers then
[08:29] <Gorth> Pozac: I havn't been able to find it in the manpages..
[08:29] <ogra> Hikaru79: you need the debian bootfloppies i think.... and then the bootstrap method
[08:29] <wood1> mgedmin, I don't see any change in the Nautilus icons
[08:29] <Crane> oh
[08:29] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:29] <mgedmin> perhaps you need to restart nautilus?
[08:29] <ogra> boing
[08:29] <Crane>  can I apt get those?
[08:29] <Hikaru79> x_x Ugh....
[08:29] <wood1> well, how do I restart Nautilus
[08:30] <Gorth> ogra: thanks, i'll try it :)
[08:30] <ogra> Crane: follow the wiki... you can.... after soe adjustments
[08:30] <Crane> lol
[08:30] <wood1> My system is becoming slower and slower everyday
[08:30] <wood1> I really don't know why
[08:30] <Pozac> wood1, close the last window and run it from where you last ran it?
[08:30] <martin_> how do i get a kazaa client for linux?
[08:30] <ogra> Pozac: we had one.... it ate terrible much bandwith, so theguy who ran it couldnt pay for it anymore :(
[08:31] <Gorth> ogra: my problem is that I want to automount the partition on startup. And if I do that, normal users can't get access to it..
[08:31] <Pozac> ogra, sad :(
[08:31] <wood1> oh no, nautilus still shows the same settings icons
[08:31] <i3dmaster> anyone knows how to change the console COLORS? In other distro, DIR_COLORS(.xterm) is the file but under ubuntu, I don't know
[08:32] <ogra> Gorth: remove the noauto from my line then and change user to: users
[08:32] <GregoryD> well, now I'm at least getting system beeps through the sound card
[08:32] <wood1> how do I start the Gnome-settings-daemon ?
[08:32] <Crane> Is startx the right command for starting gui?
[08:33] <i3dmaster> Crane: I use gdm
[08:33] <ogra> i3dmaster: look in ~/.bashrc there is something you can comment out
[08:33] <mgedmin> wood1: just try 'killall nautilus; nautilus' in bash
[08:33] <i3dmaster> Ohmer, under my bashrc...
[08:33] <ogra> Crane: gdm should work, else something with your X config is wrong
[08:33] <mgedmin> (if you have already started gnome-settings-daemon)
[08:33] <Crane> gdm <---command not found
[08:33] <mgedmin> and if that doesn't help with your icon problem, then I give up
[08:33] <Pozac> Crane, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[08:33] <i3dmaster> Crane: how about sudo gdm
[08:34] <Pozac> Crane, if error, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:34] <i3dmaster> yea, gdm must run under root
[08:34] <Pozac> mgedmin, can't he set the theme by some .gtkrc or something?
[08:35] <Crane> All tries say command not found
[08:35] <Crane> hmmmmmm
[08:35] <mgedmin> Pozac: no, that's a different issue
[08:35] <ogra> Crane: did you really finish your installation ?
[08:35] <wood1> mgedmin, there are no Nautilus running right now
[08:35] <Crane> LOL I'm begining to wonder
[08:36] <Pozac> Crane, use the tab key to complete the command while typing to see if your getting something wrong :)
[08:36] <Crane> I may try reinstalling
[08:36] <Crane> k
[08:36] <ogra> Crane: it rebooted ?
[08:36] <ogra> Crane: and asked you questions about your system ?
[08:36] <Pozac> mgedmin, hehe.. why both the settings-daemon AND the settings-only gconf ? :)
[08:37] <ogra> Crane: like timzone and preferred resolution ?
[08:38] <Crane> nope
[08:38] <Crane> sorry I was on other system
[08:38] <Amaranth> morning
[08:38] <ogra> Crane: looks like your installation hasnt finished properly
[08:38] <etorix> try running base-config maybe
[08:38] <Crane> using kvm switch to switch between this one and my installing system
[08:38] <Amaranth> anyone wanna see my work on an iTunes Music Store client?
[08:38] <wood1> Amaranth, how are you ?
[08:38] <ogra> [20:38:08]  <Amaranth> morning
[08:39] <ogra> hmm
[08:39] <Amaranth> wood1: happy :)
[08:39] <Hikaru79> I give up with this netboot stuff. Is it possible to install Ubuntu from an external USB hard drive?
[08:39] <wood1> what's that
[08:39] <Amaranth> orc3n: It's 1:40pm here, but I just woke up. :)
[08:39] <Amaranth> err, ogra
[08:39] <ogra> Amaranth: heh
[08:39] <wood1> It is 1:24 AM here
[08:39] <Amaranth> http://realistanew.com/pytunes.png :)
[08:39] <wood1> Christmas EVE
[08:39] <Amaranth> heh
[08:39] <|QuaD-> its 2:39 PM here
[08:39] <Amaranth> thursday here
[08:39] <martin_> Hikaru79, why dont you burn the image?
[08:40] <Hikaru79> martin_, because this laptop has no CD-ROM drive :(
[08:40] <wood1> Friday here
[08:40] <martin_> oh..
[08:40] <ogra> Amaranth: wow, looks great
[08:40] <martin_> well im sorry man im really new at this.. dunno how to help you
[08:40] <|QuaD-> what do you need? i wasn't paying attention
[08:41] <Amaranth> ogra: None of those menus do anything yet. :)
[08:41] <Amaranth> I just got searching working. The cli client version of this has everything working though.
[08:41] <wood1> So that app is for ITunes ?
[08:41] <ogra> Hikaru79: as i said, install from debian bootfloppies and use the bootstrap method
[08:41] <Amaranth> wood1: Yeah.
[08:41] <Pozac> Hikaru79, what's on the laptop now?
[08:42] <Hikaru79> Pozak, Win2k
[08:42] <wood1> Hum, which audio format does ITunes use ?
[08:42] <Hikaru79> ogra, I'm trying =/
[08:42] <Pozac> Hikaru79, I feel sorry for your laptop
[08:42] <Pozac> hehe
[08:42] <Hikaru79> me too. That's why I'm trying to save it ;)
[08:42] <Amaranth> wood1: AAC wrapped in an MPEG4 stream.
[08:42] <wood1> Can that format be played from Ubuntu ?
[08:42] <ogra> Amaranth: i wrote a little proof of concept burning app that i want to rewite in py.... probably we could merge....
[08:43] <ogra> Amaranth: grawert.net/software/mrburns
[08:43] <Amaranth> ogra: Nah, keeping this simple. Just the store.
[08:43] <AMIGrAve> i've got universe and multiverse in my apt but i can't install rar, w32codecs, flashplayer-mozilla ... in which repository are these packages ?
[08:43] <ogra> AMIGrAve: did you reload your package lists ?
[08:43] <froud> is there any way to checkout a working copy of ubuntu, I just want the documentation part. I've been wandering around the websit efor about half an hour now and I don't find reference to svn or cvs
[08:44] <wood1> AmiGrave I think that your sources list is corrupted
[08:44] <Amaranth> Amaranth: restricted
[08:44] <Amaranth> eerr
[08:44] <Amaranth> AMIGrAve: restricted
[08:44] <ogra> AMIGrAve: btw, rar is called unrar-nonfree i think
[08:44] <Amaranth> ogra: No, it's called rar.
[08:45] <ogra> Amaranth: yep, but it wont work with windows rar files... you need the nonfree version for this
[08:45] <wood1> Amaranth, have you run Windows using VMware ?
[08:45] <Amaranth> nope
[08:45] <Amaranth> ogra: The nonfree version is called rar
[08:45] <Amaranth> the free one is unrar
[08:45] <wood1> Well has anyone here run Windows from Linux ?
[08:46] <ogra> AMIGrAve: flashplayer-mozilla and the rar stuff is definetely in multiverse...
[08:46] <etorix> yeah .. ive run win2kpro in vmware
[08:46] <ogra> AMIGrAve: not sure about the codecs.... but see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:46] <wood1> Well how is the speed, etorix
[08:46] <g1powermac_Node1> Hi All
[08:46] <etorix> not fast
[08:47] <g1powermac_Node1> would installing a 2.4.xx kernel on an ubuntu install cause any problems booting?
[08:47] <etorix> similar to vpc on mac
[08:47] <wood1> etorix, How easy is the configuration?
[08:47] <froud> uHmmm, dont mean to interupt, can someone give me a pointer the the ubuntu revision management system CVS or SVN?
[08:47] <etorix> vmware is clean-working tho ..
[08:47] <etorix>  but that was awhile ago
[08:47] <Amaranth> froud: You want package source?
[08:47] <Amaranth> I don't think it's in CVS or SVN
[08:47] <etorix> not hard
[08:48] <wood1> How do you get the VMware working in the 1st place ?
[08:48] <froud> Amaranth, so how do I contribute Docbook XML sources
[08:48] <myselfhimself> hey any good packages for gcc3.4?
[08:48] <punkrockguy318> froud, i think it's an archbased one
[08:48] <tar`> My Windows install CD will only boot if I unplug the hard drive that has Ubuntu on it. Has this happened to anyone else before?
[08:48] <etorix> install it
[08:48] <podengo> Hi. I cannot mount my cdrom in ubuntu. When I do dmesg|grep -i cdrw I get "hdc: UJDA740 DVD/CDRW, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive". When I do mount /dev/hdc I get "mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist". My fstab has this line: "/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0"
[08:48] <Crane> etorix: thanks taht did sonething so I'm gonna try to go through it
[08:48] <etorix> follow the instructions on the packet
[08:48] <podengo> I can cd to /media/cdrom0. Any advice?
[08:48] <Hikaru79> ogra, how would I use the Ubuntu debootstraps if I'm booting from debian floppies?
[08:49] <punkrockguy318> myselfhimself, why would you want gcc3.4?
[08:49] <Pozac> tar`, have you checked the boot order in the BIOS ?
[08:49] <froud> punkrockguy318, you lost me
[08:49] <punkrockguy318> froud, i dont think it's svn or cvs
[08:49] <arctick> pod: how many hds to you have?
[08:49] <g1powermac_Node1> hmm, has anyone tried a 2.4.xx kernel with ubuntu before?
[08:49] <wood1> Amaranth, how do I ssh to my Office PC from my Home Dial-Up PC ?
[08:49] <punkrockguy318> froud, i think it's arch
[08:49] <froud> Amaranth, so there's only wiki
[08:49] <tar`> Pozac: Yes. I didn't mean boot. I meant get past the part that says "determining configuration"
[08:49] <myselfhimself> punkrockguy318, blender3d needs libstdc++.so.6 to start
[08:49] <ogra> Hikaru79: install a debian base system (2 or 4 floppies) then use the described bootstrap method
[08:49] <AMIGrAve> ogra: wood1: Amaranth: i've got deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse  and i did an apt-get update
[08:49] <Amaranth> wood1: ssh username@address
[08:49] <arctick> it may not be hdc
[08:50] <Pozac> tar`, oh.. right
[08:50] <tar`> I get a blank screen if the hard drive is plugged in, but the installer starts fine when it's not.
[08:50] <Amaranth> AMIGrAve: Did you apt-get update?
[08:50] <ogra> AMIGrAve: then it should be there
[08:50] <Hikaru79> 'described bootstrap method'?
[08:50] <arctick> wood1: you also need sshd running on the host machine of course
[08:50] <wood1> Well I can't get access to it that way, Amaranth
[08:50] <Amaranth> wood1: That's the only way.
[08:50] <ogra> Hikaru79: from the ubuntu installer doc
[08:50] <froud> punkrockguy318, can you point me to a page on unbuntu arch usage?
[08:50] <Pozac> tar`, is it the same disk you're going to install to?
[08:50] <wood1> So I have to ask my Network Admin for that access ?
[08:51] <tar`> Yes
[08:51] <punkrockguy318> hmm, i'm not sure :-\
[08:51] <Pozac> is the partition ready?
[08:51] <tar`> Yes
[08:51] <arctick> wood1: also the host machine should have your username in /etc/hosts.equiv
[08:51] <Amaranth> wood1: Yeah, you need to get port forwarding setup.
[08:51] <arctick> i just got ssh working for the first time
[08:52] <Pozac> gee
[08:52] <Amaranth> wood1: so the router sends packets to your machine inside the network for ssh
[08:52] <wood1> Most of my Office PCs also have port 6667 blocked, how do I get pass this ?
[08:52] <Pozac> tar`, I don't get it then.. partitions can't go around wreaking havoc on their own :/
[08:52] <Pozac> unblock them
[08:52] <arctick> lol
[08:53] <wood1> By the way, we are getting a strange problem using Internet Explorer
[08:53] <Pozac> wood1, there is another way
[08:53] <wood1> what way ?
[08:53] <Pozac> wood1, if your home dialup is always one, you can establish a tunnel between the computers, which you can use from home
[08:53] <Amaranth> ogra: If you want to convert that to Python I'd probably be willing to merge the two.
[08:53] <Pozac> always on
[08:54] <Amaranth> ogra: I changed my mind about what I want this to do. :)
[08:54] <tar`> Posac: I remember on an older drive, Partition Magic refused to touch a drive that had been partitioned by fdisk, saying that the table was corrupt.
[08:54] <ogra> Amaranth: thats my plan
[08:54] <wood1> Well my phone bills will drive me crazy if my Dial-Up is always on
[08:54] <tar`> Pozac: Perhaps Windows is being the same way?
[08:54] <Amaranth> ogra: Does it use gstreamer?
[08:54] <Pozac> tar`, but cfdisk or fdisk has no problems in ubuntu?
[08:55] <Pozac> tar`, eh?
[08:55] <wood1> Our customers can't access Hotmail using Internet Explorer, our customers (99.9 %) of them use Windows
[08:55] <tar`> fdisk prints the partition table properly
[08:55] <wood1> So we recommend downloading either Firefox or Opera
[08:56] <wood1> So what's the problem with Hotmail anyway ?
[08:56] <ftwig> ime updating the WiFi Howto on the Ubuntu site.  Ive managed to get WEP encription working by setting the key with iwconfig but was wondering if it can be put in the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[08:56] <Pozac> tar`, I know, at least for win98 it's very important that it is hda1
[08:57] <Pozac> tar`, well the first primary partition at least
[08:57] <wood1> The strange thing is that someone using IE can access Hotmail using a different Account from the same PC
[08:57] <tar`> Pozac: I plan on putting Windows on hda1, which doesn't have anything on it.
[08:57] <wood1> Amaranth, what's wrong ?
[08:57] <Pozac> tar`, ohh
[08:57] <tar`> Pozac: Oh man, don't tell me I have to set that one to Win95 too
[08:57] <Amaranth> wood1: ?
[08:57] <tar`> FAT32
[08:57] <wood1> What's wrong with Hotmail right now ?
[08:57] <tar`> Erm, anything Windows recognizes, before it will use it.
[08:58] <spiral> hello
[08:58] <spiral> does anyone here use ubuntu hoary & kde ?
[08:58] <Pozac> tar`, ok.. maybe make a vfat and later reformat to NTFS from install?
[08:58] <tar`> If the installer will start ;)
[08:58] <Pozac> yes
[08:59] <crimsun> spiral: bits and pieces of KDE, yes
[08:59] <Crane> hmmm
[08:59] <wood1> Amaranth, how do I log in to my office pc using ssh from home ?
[08:59] <Crane> I decided to drop back and punt
[08:59] <tar`> Pozac: I wish I knew why it wouldn't start. Maybe the extended partitions confuse it? (??) I'm lost
[08:59] <Crane> lol
[08:59] <Amaranth> wood1: I told you.
[08:59] <Pozac> tar`, I'm not sure, I think maybe in the old days only one primary partition was allowed
[08:59] <Amaranth> wood1: If it doesn't work you need to talk to your work.
[08:59] <Pozac> tar`, totally not sure though
[08:59] <spiral> crimsun: hmmm... I've got an utf8 problem with kde in this case...
[09:00] <spiral> crimsun: when I do dpkg-reconfigure locales & select utf8...
[09:00] <ogra> Amaranth: nope, cdrecord, its a recording app
[09:00] <spiral> crimsun: this works well with gnome, but kde apps print a A~ when I hit : ""
[09:00] <Amaranth> ogra: I mean for converting to wav.
[09:00] <Amaranth> ogra: I see you only support mp3 and ogg right now.
[09:00] <spiral> crimsun: do you know what I should do (or should have done)
[09:01] <ogra> Amaranth: and flac (hidden feature *g*)
[09:01] <tar`> In QT Parted, what is "active"?
[09:01] <Amaranth> ogra: heh, but it needs m4a support too
[09:01] <ogra> Amaranth: its a fromtend to mp3burn
[09:01] <Amaranth> ogra: Since that is what the iTMS gives us.
[09:01] <ftwig> spiral:I think its possible but be carfull - .ICEAuthority can have its ownership changed to root and you need to set it back by going to a consol.  Try enabeling universe in installing KDE.
[09:01] <Pozac> oh
[09:01] <ogra> Amaranth: ah, doomed ...
[09:02] <spikeb> i wish the rhythmbox devs would release a development version :)
[09:02] <spiral> ftwig: yes, I already used universe...
[09:02] <Pozac> tar`, First try setting hda1 to 'boot'
[09:02] <Pozac> tar`, if that option is there, if it's not, then use the 'active' one
[09:02] <spiral> ftwig: and what is your suggestion about .ICEAuthority ?
[09:03] <ogra> spiral: k3b ?
[09:03] <spiral> ogra: every kde app, konqueror itself
[09:04] <Pozac> tar`, I'll brb
[09:04] <tar`> All right
[09:04] <ogra> spiral: sorry, just read back.... wasnt following
[09:05] <Crane> install crash this time
[09:05] <spiral> ogra: ok
[09:05] <Crane> I'm trying on different computer
[09:05] <spiral> crimsun, ftwig : any idea ?
[09:06] <wood1> Ok guys and dolls bye and good night from my side
[09:06] <crimsun> spiral: are you using unicode in your font selection for whatever KDE app?
[09:07] <spiral> crimsun: hmmm... how do I know whether the fonts are unicode compliant ?
[09:08] <ftwig> spiral: I think its only if you run k3b (or possibly other stuff as root.  You yust need to alt+ctrl+f1, log in and change the ownership back.  Not spent mutch time on it.  I dont like KDE - I user gnome.
[09:09] <spiral> ftwig: so if I use KDE, let's say, totally... This shouldn't fit ?
[09:09] <spiral> crimsun: in fact, I don't know whether the KDE fonts are unicode compliant, but I suppose they should be because they come from warty universe...
[09:10] <neighborlee> is it truly safe to do dist-upgrade ?LOL..i'm a bit weary of it 'deciding' what programs to hold back ( based on some AI priority ??) and which ones to upgrade ...?????
[09:11] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to connect to a micrsoft vpn server with linux?  openvpn?
[09:11] <bur[n] er> i need to get evolution to an exchange server
[09:11] <crimsun> neighborlee: from what to what?
[09:11] <etorix> its always a slight gamble  ..
[09:11] <kipod> how can i check if have OpenGL system  ?
[09:11] <neighborlee> crimsun, I have original warty and all i've done is synaptic>ugrade
[09:11] <neighborlee> crimsun, i'd kinda like to be using x.org
[09:12] <etorix> but i dist-upgrade two systems every day
[09:12] <crimsun> neighborlee: it is _not_ worth the current breakage.
[09:12] <crimsun> neighborlee: maybe wait 2 weeks and ask again
[09:12] <neighborlee> ok
[09:12] <neighborlee> thx
[09:16] <rr> hello
[09:16] <rr> insome webpages, the firefox font is too small, does anyone know how to change it?
[09:17] <tar`> Edit > Preferences > General > Fonts & Colors > Minimum font size
[09:18] <tar`> I think that's unset by default
[09:19] <rr> thank you!
[09:20] <tar`> No problem
[09:22] <Pozac> tar`, any progress?
[09:23] <blenderhead22> sigh..hey peeps how do I find out where a given binary installed ( just installed wine in synaptic )
[09:23] <blenderhead22> whereis isnt' finding it nor is 'file search'
[09:23] <Amaranth> blenderhead22: whereis wine
[09:23] <blenderhead22> damn sorry I meant to say: winesetuptk
[09:23] <tar`> Pozac: I'm about ready to just reboot and cross my fingers this time. :P
[09:24] <Pozac> tar`, did you make the hda1 partition active?
[09:24] <blenderhead22> Amaranth, meant to say winesetuptk ..;-)
[09:24] <Amaranth> oh, you need to install that
[09:24] <Amaranth> it doesn't come with the wine package
[09:24] <tar`> QT Parted warned me to unmount every partition before doing that, so I was going to see if I could do it from a boot CD... unless making a partition active isn't dangerous to do while the drive is in use
[09:24] <Amaranth> sudo apt-get install winesetuptk
[09:25] <blenderhead22> Amaranth, its already installed....according to synaptic anyway
[09:25] <ftwig> spiral: no idea-suck it and c
[09:25] <blenderhead22> Amaranth, I just dont know where ;-)
[09:25] <Amaranth> blenderhead22: then just run winesetuptk
[09:25] <tar`> I don't think I have a boot CD with parted on it that works, unless maybe the Ubuntu one works as a rescue disk and has it
[09:25] <Amaranth> it should be in your path
[09:25] <blenderhead22> Amaranth, well its not..I tried just running it but nadda
[09:25] <Pozac> tar`, I usually just use cfdisk, albeit commandline only
[09:26] <blenderhead22> Amaranth, unless its some weird spelling LOL
[09:26] <spiral> ftwig: I'm french, so I need accents, I can't set my locale to C...
[09:26] <tar`> I don't mind that, really. How would I make it active with that?
[09:26] <killfill_> hi
[09:26] <Pozac> tar`, besides, hda1 should not be mounted.. it doesn't even have a file system?
[09:26] <tar`> No, it's not mounted and has no file system. :)
[09:26] <killfill_> i knos this has almost nothing to do with ubuntu.. but.. how do i work with the Xcomp extension? i wan transparency and shadows.. 8)
[09:26] <tar`> QT Parted says to unmount *everything* or risk loss of limb, apocalypse, etc.
[09:27] <killfill_> how do i enable them?
[09:27] <Pozac> tar`, cfdisk /dev/hda , enter
[09:27] <Pozac> tar`, bootable is the first option in cfdisk
[09:27] <spiral> killfill_: you need to d/l ./configure, make & make install xcompmgr... with a recent xorg
[09:27] <Pozac> tar`, go sideways to navigate the buttons at the bottom
[09:28] <requemao> hi people... I want to install aMSN, but I need a TCL/TK interpreter, could someone tell me how to install one?
[09:28] <tar`> killfill_: Maybe http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5520.html will help
[09:28] <Hikaru79> ogra, it booted off the boot.img floppy just fine, but when I put in the root.img floppy, I get:
[09:28] <killfill_> spacey, oh xcompgr is the utility to work all thouse things?
[09:28] <killfill_> ah thx
[09:28] <tar`> Pozac, okay
[09:28] <Hikaru79> The disk has no label, continuing anyway.
[09:28] <Hikaru79> Loading....zcat: bad block type 3
[09:28] <Hikaru79> install media seems to be bad!
[09:28] <spiral> killfill_: you're welcome :-)
[09:28] <Hikaru79> Inser the root floppy or plug in a USB storage device.
[09:28] <Hikaru79> *Insert
[09:28] <ogra> Hikaru79: so trust the mesage, take a new floppy
[09:28] <Hikaru79> Does this simply mean I have a bad floppy? What's wrong here? =/
[09:28] <Hikaru79> I've tried 3 diff floppies... =/
[09:28] <Hikaru79> But OK
[09:28] <Hikaru79> I'll try
[09:29] <spiral> killfill_: & beware of your tab key :-)... i'm not spacey ... don't wake him up :-)
[09:29] <ogra> Hikaru79: best is to take a really _new_ one
[09:29] <RubenV> is the wiki broken?
[09:29] <tar`> Pozac, I just want to set that flag?
[09:29] <Pozac> tar`, yup
[09:29] <Fator_Tee> I have a question, I made a qustom line to open .avi's with mplayer from "Properties -> Open With" and now I don't remember what parameters I put on it, how can I find that out?
[09:29] <ogra> RubenV: not for me
[09:29] <killfill_> ooh.. 8)..
[09:29] <Pozac> tar`, and then 'write' and then 'quit'
[09:29] <RubenV> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/recentchanges
[09:29] <RubenV> does this work for you
[09:29] <ogra> RubenV: at least for viewing
[09:29] <myself_away> Fator_Tee, man mplayer
[09:30] <myself_away> Fator_Tee, or mplayer --help
[09:30] <Pozac> Fator_Tee, right click, properties
[09:30] <RubenV> I get a unicode encode error
[09:30] <tar`> "Wrote partition table, but re-read table failed.  Reboot to update table."
[09:30] <Pozac> Fator_Tee, there's an 'Open with' option
[09:30] <tar`> Okay, I'm going to boot from the Windows CD now. Thanks Pozac.
[09:30] <Pozac> tar`, thats perfectly ok
[09:30] <tar`> I'll probably see you soon ;)
[09:30] <Fator_Tee> but that only shows "mplayer"
[09:30] <Pozac> tar`, yeah, good luck
[09:30] <tar`> haha
[09:30] <ogra> RubenV: hmm, right
[09:30] <Pozac> Fator_Tee, then you didn't put any options in there
[09:31] <Fator_Tee> Pozac: but I'm sure I did :-|
[09:31] <RubenV> ogra: you have it too?
[09:31] <ogra> yep
[09:31] <Pozac> Fator_Tee, Well, you can add and delete from in there :)
[09:31] <Fator_Tee> Pozac: but I need to know what parameters I put there :-p
[09:32] <ogra> RubenV but this works: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[09:32] <Pozac> Fator_Tee, oh.. dang
[09:32] <Fator_Tee> and I tested, I made another with "Add" which had parameters and they don't show up on the list
[09:32] <Pozac> ok
[09:32] <Pozac> Does it use the parameters?
[09:32] <Fator_Tee> yes
[09:33] <Pozac> hmm
[09:34] <Hikaru79> ogra, I changed floppies now it's a bigger error
[09:34] <Pozac> well it has to be stored somewhere in ~/ .. does anywhere know where in the filesystem the new mime stuff is?
[09:34] <Hikaru79> It says:
[09:34] <Pozac> does anyONE
[09:34] <Hikaru79> system: debian-installer
[09:34] <Hikaru79> Label: root floppy
[09:34] <Hikaru79> Date: 20040930
[09:34] <Fator_Tee> well, of I know to find that out :-D
[09:34] <Hikaru79> Loading..filesystem panic (dev 02:00).
[09:34] <Fator_Tee> *off
[09:34] <Hikaru79> FAT error
[09:34] <Hikaru79> Directory 8: bad FAT
[09:34] <Fator_Tee> *go
[09:34] <Hikaru79> zcat: Read error: Is a directory
[09:35] <Hikaru79> install media seems to be bad!
[09:35] <Fator_Tee> serious typos
[09:35] <Hikaru79> Insert the root floppy or plug in a USB storage device
[09:35] <Hikaru79> Drat... any more ideas, ogra? :(
[09:35] <Pozac> yeah
[09:35] <ogra> Hikaru79: hmm, probably your floppy drive...
[09:35] <Hikaru79> But, then, how come the boot one worked? =/
[09:35] <Lukas_> What package is sqlite#?
[09:36] <ogra> Lukas_: sqlite i think
[09:37] <ogra> oh #
[09:37] <ogra> dunno
[09:37] <Pozac> Fator_Tee, maybe try asking in #gnome ?
[09:37] <Lukas_> perhaps something like mono-data-sqlite
[09:37] <Lukas_> but it doesnt wxist :(
[09:38] <Lionel2> Good...
[09:38] <Pozac> are  you sure it's even in, Lukas_ ?
[09:38] <Lionel2> I hate nickserv... or maybe I'm just to stupid to figure out the syntax
[09:38] <Lukas_> I dont know
[09:38] <Lionel2> lol
[09:39] <Pozac> Lukas_, I don't think it is, sorry :( download the .tar.gz?
[09:39] <Lukas_> POzac: thanks, I probabbly will have to
[09:40] <guille_> hello
[09:40] <Pozac> hi guille_
[09:40] <guille_> :)
[09:40] <Lionel2> Hello!
[09:40] <guille_> can mplayer be installed in warty?
[09:41] <RubenV> on the wiki somewhere
[09:41] <RubenV> i think
[09:41] <guille_> thanks
[09:41] <Lionel2> Um... I have a question that I sort of asked yesterday but I just want to confirm... I want to have windows running on my machine whi'll I try out Ubuntu... and somone said just to boot with the install CD, and i can follow the prompts for partitioning... Is there a likely chance that I can screw up my exsisting windows partition?
[09:41] <Pozac> on the RestrictedFormats page
[09:42] <RubenV> Lionel2: if you watch out
[09:42] <RubenV> nothing will happen
[09:42] <RubenV> but u'll have to do the partitioning yourself
[09:42] <Pozac> Lionel2, I don't think it can resize your existing NTFS partitions
[09:42] <ogra> Lionel2: yep.... the current cd doesnt provide partition resizing
[09:42] <RubenV> if you choose auto, it will wipe the entire disk
[09:42] <Lionel2> I'm with FAT 32 File system
[09:42] <ogra> Lionel2: you need free space on the disk for new partitions first
[09:43] <Lionel2> I have lots of free space ;)
[09:43] <Lionel2> 100 gb around infact
[09:43] <RubenV> oh, and as a general computing rule: backup as much as you can ;D
[09:43] <RubenV> better safe then sorry
[09:43] <Lionel2> so... I have to use Fdisk or somthing first and create a small partiation... and then when prompted... select my new partiation I made?
[09:44] <RubenV> you can create partitions from inside the installer
[09:44] <Lionel2> I will backup anyway... but it would be an extreme aggrivation to have to reinstall things and lose some stuff
[09:44] <Pozac> What's the intel speedstep cpufreq module called?
[09:44] <RubenV> just make sure there's empty space on the disk
[09:44] <Lionel2> Oh... You can ah?
[09:44] <Pozac> I can't seem to find it in hoary's 2.6.9 kernel
[09:44] <ogra> Lionel2: nope, if you got free space to partition the installer does it for you
[09:44] <RubenV> Pozac: intel speedstep is a bit unspecific
[09:44] <Pozac> p3 mobile
[09:45] <RubenV> modprobe speedstep<tab>
[09:45] <Dekkard> anyone know of a bug with the gweather applet in hoary?
[09:45] <Lionel2> Alrighty... So am I correct on this: Makesure I have lots of free space (in my exsisting windows partition???) and then run the installer (from boot) and it will partition for me/ask me what/how much to partition???
[09:45] <RubenV> Dekkard: well, i do :)
[09:45] <Pozac> RubenV, sudo apt-get install bash-completion first? :)
[09:45] <RubenV> uh, yes and enable it ;)
[09:45] <Dekkard> thanks RubenV
[09:46] <Dekkard> i figgered it was..
[09:46] <RubenV> Dekkard: what bug are you experiencing?
[09:46] <Kamion> back up first; the warty installer has a parted bug that's been known to render Windows unbootable sometimes
[09:46] <Kamion> although you can (reportedly) recover that
[09:46] <Dekkard> RubenV: if i try to change the locale it just pukes
[09:46] <RubenV> Kamion: now that would be a shame ;)
[09:46] <Kamion> if you run into that problem, see http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/
[09:46] <RubenV> Dekkard: oh, i'm having another one
[09:46] <Lionel2> Okay :S
[09:46] <Kamion> RubenV: you try getting the hate-mail about it ...
[09:46] <RubenV> it reports my day/night wrong
[09:46] <Dekkard> kool!
[09:47] <Dekkard> lol
[09:47] <Dekkard> okee..
[09:47] <Dekkard> i obviously need to try to find the conf file for it..
[09:48] <Lionel2> Uh... in that document you sent me (Kamion) is the part about "Fedora Core 2" substituted for Ubuntu?
[09:48] <Kamion> Lionel2: yes
[09:48] <RubenV> Lionel2: it's all linux anyway
[09:48] <Kamion> it's a general parted issue that affected a lot of distributions
[09:48] <RubenV> all parted to be more specific
[09:49] <RubenV> All dual boot installs i did turned out just fine though
[09:49] <Kamion> we thought we'd worked around it for warty, but it turned out we were wrong
[09:49] <Kamion> it's very hard to reproduce, generally on any given computer it either bites you hard or you don't notice it at all
[09:49] <Kamion> depends on things like BIOS versions
[09:49] <Lionel2> I'm a noob... I don't know what your talking about.....
[09:50] <Lionel2> maybe I won't install this... its scarring me lol
[09:50] <Lionel2> thanks.
[09:50] <Lionel2> bye.
[09:50] <Kamion> chances are you won't have a problem. if you do, use the URL I pointed to.
[09:50] <Lionel2> Thanks!
[09:50] <Kamion> I'm trying to be nice and warn you in advance
[09:50] <Kamion> since you asked :)
[09:50] <Lionel2> I know... not your fault.
[09:51] <Lionel2> Bye.
[09:51] <ogra> hmm
[09:51] <Crane> can ubuntu be installed from the live CD?
[09:51] <Pozac> no
[09:51] <ogra> nope...not yet
[09:51] <|QuaD-> Crane: why do you need it to?
[09:52] <Crane> just wondering
[09:52] <Kamion> speaking of, can anyone reproduce that problem who's also competent to give one of the test Hoary install CDs a go?
[09:52] <Kamion> (the parted Windows-booting thing)
[09:52] <Hikaru79> w00t
[09:52] <Hikaru79> ogra, I'm in the debian setup screen now
[09:52] <Kamion> because the version of parted in Hoary should fix that issue
[09:52] <Hikaru79> Through the debian floppies
[09:52] <_iKe_> hey
[09:52] <RubenV> Kamion: unfortunately, I don't have a windows machine to try it :rolleyes:
[09:52] <Kamion> but, as I said, I'm totally unable to test it personally
[09:53] <Hikaru79> Now, how can I get it to do an Ubuntu install instead of Debian?
[09:53] <|QuaD-> Kamion: i wish i could, i don't have windows :)
[09:54] <_iKe_> i'm trying to get my winmodem to work on ubuntu, i've got some instructions but they require me to install this : sudo aptitude install build-essentials , however i cant install it cuz i dont have internet connection on ubuntu, so is there a way to download that package on windows and then install it on ubuntu? thanks a lot.
[09:54] <Kamion> Hikaru79: I don't know of anyone who's ever tried that. It'd be easier to install Debian and then cross-install Ubuntu (either debootstrapping an Ubuntu chroot, or upgrading)
[09:54] <Kamion> _iKe_: build-essential (not build-essentials) is on the CD
[09:54] <Kamion> for precisely this reason :)
[09:54] <Pozac> Hikaru79, FWIW I installed Ubuntu piggybacked from gentoo
[09:54] <Pozac> (16mb iso)
[09:55] <ogra> Pozac: no cd drive here
[09:55] <Pozac> ogra, no cd here either
[09:55] <_iKe_> kamion: thanks
[09:55] <Pozac> but gentoo has network / floppy installs too
[09:55] <Pozac> fwiw
[09:56] <Pozac> I found it very easy
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> there is a howto on the site
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> for network install
[09:56] <_iKe_> kamion: what about linux-headers
[09:56] <Pozac> once you've got grub, installing from the iso is no problem
[09:57] <ogra> Hikaru79: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto/view?searchterm=network%20install
[09:57] <Kamion> _iKe_: likewise
[09:58] <_iKe_> cool, thanks
[09:58] <Pozac> net install is the best
[09:58] <_iKe_> bye
[09:58] <|QuaD-> Kamion: is ubuntu ever going to have a netinstall?
[10:00] <loststryk> hey all ;o)
[10:00] <loststryk> can anyone explain how i can setup gftp to do ssl auth connections to a ftp server ? or if there is a fxp software out for ubuntu ?
[10:01] <Kamion> |QuaD-: at the moment we're still trying to keep it to just one type of install CD
[10:01] <|QuaD-> Kamion: oh ok
[10:01] <kms__> help help >_<
[10:01] <Kamion> you could boot off something like the netboot mini.iso, though
[10:01] <Kamion> |QuaD-: ^-
[10:02] <kms__> my resolution is a nice 640x320
[10:02] <kms__> merry christmas btw
[10:02] <Kamion> |QuaD-: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/release/images/netboot/mini.iso
[10:02] <Kamion> not that I've tested that
[10:02] <ogra> kms__: two hours to early here :)
[10:02] <loststryk> is anyone able to elp me ?
[10:02] <kms__> ive tried to run dpkg-configure xserver-xfree86
[10:03] <loststryk> *help
[10:03] <kms__> and my XF86Config lists all the good resolutions ive set
[10:03] <ogra> kms__: didnt help ?
[10:03] <kms__> and drivers seems good
[10:03] <kms__> nope
[10:03] <kms__> still 640, even after reboot
[10:03] <Pozac> kms__, which graphics card?
[10:03] <ogra> loststryk: is the server capable of yoing sftp ?
[10:03] <kms__> a good old voodoo 3 hehe
[10:03] <zenwhen> http://zenhardwhere.com/images/xsnow.png
[10:03] <systemx_> on my system it is the XF86Config-4 file...
[10:03] <kms__> this is sort of the house's old pc
[10:03] <Pozac> hehe
[10:04] <loststryk> ogra the server i want to connect to runs glftpd and requires auth tls
[10:04] <Pozac> then it should work better !
[10:04] <kms__> systemx_, sorry, thats the file i meant
[10:04] <loststryk> my home system runs ubuntu
[10:04] <systemx_> k
[10:04] <Kamion> there's ftp-ssl in universe
[10:04] <Kamion> don't know about graphical equivalents
[10:04] <kms__> i just cant understand why it wont read the config file properly?
[10:05] <ogra> loststryk: gftp should be able to do it, also nautilus is able to do sftp, but i dunno if tls based is possible
[10:05] <Hikaru79> Great... ALL that work and the stupid setup doesn't recognize my ethernet card ;_;
[10:05] <Hikaru79> I feel like crying
[10:05] <loststryk> gftp offers ssh (no good) http ftp
[10:05] <ogra> kms__: it does, it just has detected you display wrong
[10:05] <Pozac> kms__, anything special in /var/log/XFree86.0.log ?
[10:05] <kms__> ogra, perhaps it could be because of this lcd screen?
[10:06] <ogra> kms__: which kind of ?
[10:06] <kms__> it has this weird mode where it tries to adjust everything by itself
[10:06] <kms__> 17" new starmedia
[10:06] <kms__> jumps around for a few seconds on new vid modes
[10:06] <ogra> kms__: can you switch the resolution ?
[10:06] <kms__> i got something about lds screens when i run the config stuff
[10:07] <Pozac> lcd's do that.. they know where the edges of the screen are :)
[10:07] <kms__> but i really didnt get it, as it was in stupid danish
[10:07] <ogra> kms__: ctrl-alt-(numpad + or -)
[10:07] <kms__> im norwegian...
[10:07] <Pozac> hey tal pnt
[10:07] <loststryk> ftp-ssl works thank you, but would like a gui make my life easier heh
[10:07] <kms__> if i were a newbie, you should tell me how to get back to my x session before that ogra  hehe
[10:07] <kms__> but i know
[10:07] <mtl> can i configure my printer somehow without gnome
[10:08] <kms__> yeah, that worked fine
[10:08] <mtl> localhost:631 says that it is disabled
[10:08] <kms__> got the skipping and jumping as well
[10:08] <ogra> kms__: no matching res ?
[10:08] <kms__> ive been trying xresprobe tdfx
[10:08] <loststryk> is there a way to re install gftp with ssl support ?
[10:08] <kms__> but it gives nothing
[10:08] <kms__> perhaps that has something to do with it
[10:09] <loststryk> i ran wbel and it came as standard, slightly conufused with ubuntu
[10:09] <Kamion> if gftp had ssl support, it ought to be compiled using it by default
[10:09] <ogra> loststryk: did you try ssh with giving port 21 ?
[10:09] <_dud_> hmm
[10:09] <Kamion> it's not in the base system so there's no reason for it to be compiled minimally
[10:09] <_dud_> i tried installing xorg instead of xfree86, and the same thing happened
[10:09] <loststryk> i can ftp-ssl to the server i need acceess to, just all console, was looking for a gui alternative
[10:09] <Kamion> loststryk: gftp claims to support FXP ...
[10:09] <ogra> Kamion: its working for me....in nautilus as well
[10:10] <loststryk> Kamion, my gftp shos no sftp
[10:10] <loststryk> only norml ftp http and ssh2
[10:10] <Kamion> FXP != SFTP
[10:10] <ogra> Kamion: oh
[10:10] <Kamion> sftp is the file transfer protocol that's an extension to ssh2
[10:10] <Kamion> totally separate from all the others
[10:11] <_dud_> any ideas on how i can fix this?
[10:11] <_dud_> the resolution was fine on warty
[10:11] <loststryk> USER loststryk
[10:11] <loststryk> 530 USE SECURE CONNECTION
[10:11] <_dud_> after i upgraded to hoary and restarted, this is what i get
[10:11] <loststryk> when using gftpd
[10:11] <_dud_> gftp dmon?
[10:11] <loststryk> sorry *gftp
[10:12] <_dud_> ah, ok
[10:12] <_dud_> i cant find a manual for xresprobe...
[10:12] <_dud_> does it mean xserver drivers or kernel?
[10:12] <Kamion> hm, gftp is built with --disable-ssl
[10:13] <Kamion> I wonder if that's for licensing reasons
[10:13] <loststryk> Kamion, how can i get around that ?
[10:13] <Kamion> gftp is licensed under the GPL, and the OpenSSL licence is explicitly incompatible with the GPL
[10:13] <_dud_> prolly just the lame encryption laws of the usa
[10:13] <Kamion> you could get the source package and rebuild after removing that bit from debian/rules
[10:13] <Kamion> _dud_: no
[10:13] <_dud_> oh right
[10:13] <Kamion> those stopped being relevant years ago
[10:13] <Pozac> Like the XFree license?
[10:14] <ogra> _dud_: xresprobe is a tool for the xserver..... it is run by the installation process to detect your X data
[10:14] <loststryk> Kamion, you lost me heh
[10:14] <Kamion> Pozac: the new one, yes
[10:14] <Pozac> or is that compatible ?
[10:14] <_dud_> ogra, well... from a fresh install, the res is great...
[10:14] <_dud_> so something its doing must be good?
[10:14] <loststryk> do i unstall gftp then ? and download source ?
[10:14] <ogra> _dud_: so what did you do ?
[10:14] <jan> hi
[10:14] <jan> spricht hier jemand deutsch?
[10:14] <Pozac> How about nautilus and SFTP?
[10:14] <_dud_> ogra, changed my source.list to hoary, and ran dist-upgrade
[10:15] <Kamion> perhaps someone else can walk loststryk through grabbing, editing, and rebuilding a source package? I have several other things to do tonight ...
[10:15] <_dud_> then ran dpkg-configure as it said
[10:15] <_dud_> id be glad to if my res were anything usable Kamion...
[10:15] <loststryk> :)
[10:16] <ogra> loststryk: sudo apt-get build-dep gftp && apt-get source gftp
[10:16] <ogra> Pozac: there is not very much more to know just for compiling a pkg
[10:16] <_dud_> argh, i want a nice resolution for christmas ;P
[10:17] <Pozac> ogra, he needs to --enable-ssl
[10:17] <ogra> Pozac: i know, first lets get the source ;)
[10:17] <jan> how I can look if java is on my system? (I'm a noob)
[10:17] <ogra> Pozac: else there is less to modify
[10:17] <loststryk> ogra, thank you, downloading the source#
[10:17] <Pozac> attentino
[10:17] <ogra> jan: if you didnt install it, its not there
[10:17] <Pozac> oh well
[10:18] <loststryk> 90 secs for completion
[10:18] <jan> ogra: how can I install it? ;-)
[10:18] <ogra> loststryk: it will create a gftp source dir in your current dir
[10:18] <Pozac> ogra, btw in portage I can stop before the configure-step, do it manually, and let the rest complete by the package manager :)
[10:18] <loststryk> jan there is a great guide for java
[10:18] <Pozac> ogra, So I'm paying attention :)
[10:19] <Pozac> ogra, what with my apt/dpkg condition and all ;)
[10:19] <loststryk> jan : http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:19] <loststryk> it gives you a great walk through on how to install it and other things
[10:19] <jan> loststryk: thx ;)
[10:20] <loststryk> your welcome :)
[10:20] <_dud_> where was that log file for X again ogra?
[10:20] <ogra> jan: here is a perpackaged 1.5: http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu#Java_1.5
[10:20] <loststryk> ogra : it has downloaded
[10:20] <_dud_> sorry, but the chat is so heavy on my resolution, that everything flies by heh
[10:20] <Pozac> _dud_, the log /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[10:20] <ogra> loststryk: ok, cd into the directory
[10:20] <loststryk> done
[10:20] <_dud_> thanks
[10:21] <ogra> loststryk: cd debian
[10:21] <loststryk> done
[10:21] <ogra> loststryk: gedit rules
[10:21] <|QuaD-> if i remove the files listed when i run deborphan... will it break my system?
[10:21] <ogra> loststryk: there is a line with the configure options
[10:22] <ogra> loststryk: add the   --enable-ssl (or change it from --disable-ssl) option there
[10:23] <loststryk> like this ; 		--mandir=\$${prefix}/share/man \
[10:23] <loststryk> 		--infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info \
[10:23] <loststryk> 		--enable-textport=yes
[10:23] <loststryk>                 --enable-ssl
[10:23] <loststryk> ?
[10:24] <|QuaD-> BAHHHHHHH
[10:24] <|QuaD-> NOT LIKE THAT!
[10:24] <ogra> loststryk: put a \ at the end of --enable-textport=yes
[10:24] <_dud_> (II) TDFX(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[10:24] <_dud_> that must be something?
[10:24] <|QuaD-> loststryk: USE A PASTEBIN!
[10:24] <|QuaD-> _dud_: seems that your xconfig not setup right
[10:24] <loststryk> |QuaD you ahve lost me
[10:24] <_dud_> and (II) TDFX(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)
[10:24] <ogra> |QuaD-: come on 5 lines
[10:24] <|QuaD-> warty or hoary
[10:25] <|QuaD-> ogra: 3+ lines are bad
[10:25] <_dud_> hmm
[10:25] <|QuaD-> loststryk: never paste MORE THAN 2 lines
[10:25] <|QuaD-> its bad
[10:25] <loststryk> sorry
[10:25] <loststryk> ok done ogra
[10:25] <ogra> |QuaD-: hmm personal preference i would say......
[10:25] <|QuaD-> _dud_: wary or hoary
[10:25] <_dud_> hoary
[10:25] <|QuaD-> ogra: general irc ettiquite
[10:25] <|QuaD-> _dud_: you upgrade to xorg?
[10:25] <ogra> loststryk: ok, save the file
[10:25] <|QuaD-> or still using xfree
[10:25] <loststryk> saved
[10:26] <_dud_> |QuaD-, xorg gives the same stuff
[10:26] <_dud_> i tried xorg first, but i installed xfree afterwards
[10:26] <|QuaD-> _dud_: first off, i would make sure you are using xorg
[10:26] <_dud_> and now im here
[10:26] <_dud_> as the res is screwed
[10:26] <_dud_> lets change that then...
[10:26] <|QuaD-> so first install xorg
[10:26] <_dud_> hold on
[10:27] <ogra> loststryk: you could now either edit the control and changelog file to bump the version number, or make your package stuck in synaptic later and just compile now
[10:27] <loststryk> whats easiest ?
[10:27] <_dud_> 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg' should work right?
[10:28] <Pozac> yep
[10:28] <ogra> loststryk: oh, i forgot, you got no compiler currently... we will need that and some packaging tools....
[10:28] <_dud_> it seems smart enough to automatically remove xserver-xfree86
[10:28] <_dud_> so it should work...
[10:28] <Pozac> yep
[10:28] <ogra> loststryk: easier is the synaptic way...cleaner the version way
[10:29] <|QuaD-> _dud_: then make sure you have the drivers/accelerator for your video card
[10:29] <Pozac> _dud_, for clarification - does it run 640x480 or 640x320 ?
[10:29] <loststryk> ok so load synaptic ?
[10:29] <_dud_> and now ill run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' ok?
[10:29] <Pozac> _dud_, your not on a widescreen display are you?
[10:29] <_dud_> sorry 480 of course
[10:29] <|QuaD-> _dud_: sure
[10:29] <Pozac> good
[10:29] <ogra> loststryk: later
[10:29] <Pozac> just making sure ;)
[10:29] <loststryk> ok
[10:30] <roo9> I finally got my ubuntu CDs
[10:30] <roo9> very nice
[10:30] <_dud_> hmm, perhaps the error was to sudo dpkg-reconfigure earlier...
[10:30] <|QuaD-> roo9: I AM STILL WAITING FOR MINE!
[10:30] <_dud_> it works without sudoing it seems
[10:30] <ogra> loststryk: first we need the packages build-essential and fakeroot
[10:30] <roo9> |QuaD-: how many did you order?
[10:30] <roo9> |QuaD-: mine came all the way from switzerland
[10:31] <|QuaD-> roo9: like 20
[10:31] <loststryk> ogra installed
[10:31] <ogra> loststryk: ok: cd ..
[10:31] <roo9> |QuaD-: it seems the more you ordered, the longer it took... but that doens't make sense cause I got like 80 today
[10:31] <loststryk> k back in the gftp dir
[10:31] <ogra> loststryk: then: fakeroot debian/rules binary
[10:31] <_dud_> im on the part where i choose simple/medium/advanced setup for my screen now
[10:31] <ogra> loststryk: now watch it compile
[10:32] <_dud_> and it says something about lcd using fixed resolutions
[10:32] <_dud_> and how simple cant be used on lcd screens
[10:32] <_dud_> its in danish heh
[10:32] <loststryk> ok
[10:32] <loststryk> :)
[10:32] <ogra> :)
[10:32] <Pozac> _dud_, danish rules
[10:32] <_dud_> not if you're norwegian it doesnt
[10:32] <ogra> loststryk: it will create the gftp packages in the above dir
[10:32] <GeosB> dansk  :-)
[10:32] <Pozac> _dud_, maybe quit, and add LANG=en_US before the cmdline?
[10:32] <d_i> what about danes?!..
[10:33] <_dud_> hmm, can voodoo 3 use 24bit?
[10:33] <d_i> _dud_, yes
[10:33] <loststryk> ok done
[10:33] <_dud_> gdansk :P
[10:33] <_dud_> ok...
[10:33] <ogra> loststryk: you install them from there with: dpkg -i <package.deb>
[10:33] <Pozac> _dud_, like LANG_en_US sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:33] <|QuaD-> roo9: 80? lol
[10:33] <d_i> nothing wrong with danes :P
[10:33] <Pozac> we rule
[10:33] <d_i> :)
[10:33] <_dud_> Pozac, you know... the norwegian localization in ubuntu is terrible
[10:33] <loststryk> don't see a .deb package
[10:33] <ogra> Pozac: export .....
[10:34] <d_i> Pozac, Yeah Danes from Nordjylland does :D
[10:34] <Pozac> ogra, is export really needed?
[10:34] <Pozac> ogra, for the one command?
[10:34] <ogra> loststryk: the compile went without errors ?
[10:34] <Pozac> d_i: well, Jylland at least
[10:34] <_dud_> it switches from norwegian to danish to swedish to norwegian bokml and to nynorsk
[10:34] <Pozac> ;)
[10:34] <ogra> Pozac: i think so
[10:34] <loststryk> a few warnign errors
[10:34] <d_i> Pozac, hehe - ok then :)
[10:34] <_dud_> ok, conf is done
[10:34] <Pozac> ogra, I don't think so :)
[10:34] <_dud_> lets try and restart...
[10:34] <_dud_> brb
[10:34] <loststryk> oh it made them in my home dir
[10:35] <ogra> loststryk: did it say something like creating package .... blah.deb  in the end ?
[10:35] <loststryk> yes made gtk common and text
[10:35] <ogra> loststryk: ah, great
[10:35] <rwabel> do you guys also have problems with the gnome theme manager the last days?
[10:35] <rwabel> on hoary
[10:35] <ogra> loststryk: good, start with common, then text, then gtk
[10:36] <Pozac> rwabel, endless previewing?
[10:36] <|QuaD-> all, i wnat to compile gnome from source on gnome's website... can you guys walk me throuhg it? by the way, what is make?
[10:36] <rwabel> pozac: installation of theme doesn't work (no permission) I can only change the default theme. the other I can't get otherwise the whole gnome fucks up
[10:37] <loststryk> ok done
[10:37] <Crane> is the second half of the install text base?
[10:37] <Pozac> rwabel, that doesn't sound familiar to me..
[10:37] <ogra> loststryk: no errors ?
[10:37] <loststryk> none ;)
[10:37] <rwabel> pozac: to bad
[10:37] <rwabel> pozac: for me :-)
[10:38] <ogra> loststryk: great... now to synaptic :)
[10:38] <loststryk> ok
[10:38] <loststryk> loaded
[10:38] <ogra> loststryk: 600mhz..... still loading
[10:38] <Pozac> rwabel, I even messed around a bunch with it last night.. ended up with Human GTK+, Wasp Metacity and Human icons, really sweet :)
[10:39] <loststryk> heh i have 2400 but the board only see's it as a 1300 heh
[10:39] <Pozac> One day, the 600mhz people will rule the world
[10:39] <loststryk> lol
[10:39] <ogra> loststryk: ok, now search for gftp....
[10:39] <Pozac> I swear! Any day now!
[10:39] <rwabel> pozac: damn that stupid thing killed one terminal and firefox..not really fun
[10:39] <loststryk> found 4
[10:39] <ogra> loststryk: heh, its my favorite laptop... i got plenty other hw here ;)
[10:39] <rwabel> pozac: mhh gonna see if I can try it on the default out
[10:40] <j^> hola, trying to enter a bug i get:  You must choose a component to file this bug in. If necessary, just guess.
[10:40] <j^> i do not see any component field in the form
[10:40] <ogra> loststryk: ok, mark them and go to the package menu
[10:40] <loststryk> gftp gftp-common gtk and text
[10:40] <loststryk> mark for reinstallation ?
[10:40] <Pozac> ogra, what kind of laptop ?
[10:40] <ogra> loststryk: just mark....
[10:40] <j^> = 2.4), python (<< 2.4)
[10:40] <j^> that should be python (>= 2.4), python (<< 2.5)
[10:40] <j^> as for the rest of the python2.4 packages.
[10:41] <rwabel> pozac: just wanted to try out the qt for gtk thing
[10:41] <ogra> loststryk: then force version from the package menu
[10:41] <j^> in horray: python-qt3 depends on python (>= 2.4), python (<< 2.4)
[10:41] <ogra> loststryk: or lock version...german here
[10:41] <Pozac> rwabel, ohh.. your own fault then :)
[10:41] <ogra> Pozac: vaio pcg f707 form 1999
[10:41] <Triple5> I Just got like 10-15 cds of Ubuntu lol
[10:41] <Crane> I think my installers is completing this time
[10:41] <Triple5> the amd64 edition and the intel
[10:41] <Hikaru79> This is messed up. I was able to configure my ethernet card to download all the neccesary system files from the internet (I was installing from floppy). But now that I'm in the apt configuration, it can no longer, for some reason, connect to any of the mirrors
[10:41] <Pozac> ogra, ok, sweet :)
[10:42] <Hikaru79> Why has its connection died from one minute to the next?
[10:42] <Crane> it asked alot of questions about video settings
[10:42] <loststryk> only gives me mark for reinstallation, removal or complete remnoval
[10:42] <rwabel> pozac: now I mean it's with all theme. it's not due to the qt thing
[10:42] <kms__> the joy!
[10:42] <Pozac> rwabel, did you logout and stuff?
[10:42] <_dud_> i can see, in a sane resolution
[10:42] <Crane> taking longer than last time as well.
[10:42] <ogra> loststryk: from the top menubar ?
[10:42] <_dud_> thanks everyone
[10:42] <_dud_> the trick was to run xorgconf
[10:42] <ogra> Hikaru79: can you still ping ?
[10:42] <loststryk> you mean mark all upgrades ?
[10:42] <_dud_> and not the dpkg-reconfigure thing
[10:42] <Pozac> _dud_, merry christmas :)
[10:42] <_dud_> because that obviously did something wrong
[10:42] <ogra> loststryk: not the buttonbar...there is a menubar above
[10:43] <loststryk> ahh got lock version
[10:43] <_dud_> same to you Pozac :D
[10:43] <loststryk> lock all of them ?
[10:43] <ogra> loststryk: yep.... they should get a little lock on the icon then
[10:43] <_dud_> i cant wait to get my brand new dvd burner and harddrive tomorrow heh
[10:44] <_dud_> the ones who claims that christmas isnt about gifts, has too much money
[10:44] <loststryk> ok all lcoked
[10:44] <_dud_> ;P
[10:44] <loststryk> *locked
[10:44] <ogra> loststryk: else your next security upgrade would overwrite them with the original ones
[10:44] <loststryk> ahh
[10:44] <rwabel> pozac: you can take a look at this: http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/gtk-qt-engine/?branch_id=52171&release_id=182571
[10:44] <ogra> loststryk: thats it, we are done
[10:44] <ogra> loststryk: now try it
[10:44] <loststryk> kewl ;o) ty :o) you should write a guide for everyone ;)
[10:45] <CajunTechie> Hello everyone. Anyone have a bit of time to help me troubleshoot the LiveCD?
[10:45] <ogra> loststryk: i probably will ;)
[10:45] <Pozac> rwabel, But whyyy ?
[10:45] <ogra> loststryk: but first lets see if it worked :P
[10:45] <Pozac> rwabel ;)
[10:45] <_dud_> cant wait to get ubuntu installed on my nice and fast machine
[10:45] <loststryk> kinda, errors out on this error
[10:45] <Hikaru79> ogra, I'm still in the installer. The part where you're configuring apt to download all the stuff.
[10:45] <_dud_> this is my little sisters slow assed pc
[10:46] <loststryk> can i paste to you in query ?
[10:46] <Hikaru79> But since I was installing from floppy, it had to get stuff from the internet a minute ago and it was able to do it then
[10:46] <_dud_> prolly not many 12 year old girls running ubuntu though ;)
[10:46] <ogra> Hikaru79: alt f2 brings you to a console
[10:46] <_dud_> at least not in norway id suppose
[10:46] <Hikaru79> But once I finished the base installation, it died
[10:46] <Hikaru79> Oh, ok
[10:46] <ogra> loststryk: flood
[10:46] <loststryk> Error with certificate at depth: 0
[10:46] <loststryk> Issuer = /CN=drftpd
[10:46] <loststryk> Subject = /CN=drftpd
[10:46] <loststryk> Error 18:self signed certificate
[10:47] <ogra> loststryk: the channel #flood i menat
[10:47] <loststryk> oh sorry lol
[10:47] <ogra> heh
[10:47] <ogra> |QuaD-: sorry
[10:47] <Pozac> _dud_, Please consider switching the icon theme to human or suede if you haven't :)
[10:47] <CajunTechie> Question: When I boot the live CD it hangs on the Loading Stage1.5 screen. Never does anything else, anyone have any clue why?
[10:47] <loststryk> aorry |QuaD
[10:47] <Pozac> _dud_, For some reason, I just discovered them recently.. they rock!
[10:47] <Hikaru79> Can someone give me their IP address so I can try ping'ing them from my laptop? =/
[10:47] <ogra> loststryk: thats in gftp ?
[10:47] <_dud_> its really such a shame gnome lacking a proper burning app
[10:48] <loststryk> when it trys to connect
[10:48] <_dud_> Pozac, ive been using slackware for quite some time now
[10:48] <ogra> Hikaru79: 217.115.139.139
[10:48] <_dud_> figured id try something a bit more modern
[10:48] <_dud_> and hopefully less hassle hehe
[10:48] <Hikaru79> ogra, network is unreachable :(
[10:48] <_dud_> having to install about 90MB of extra just to get k3b working
[10:48] <Amaranth> _dud_: What do you mean?
[10:48] <ogra> loststryk: hmm, no idea, but ssl seems to work, just an cert issue
[10:48] <_dud_> nice ;/
[10:48] <Hikaru79> But... it was on the net a second ago downloading it's system files ;_;
[10:48] <ogra> Hikaru79: ifconfig
[10:48] <Pozac> _dud_, do you need more than nautilus-cd-burner?
[10:49] <_dud_> dvd burning
[10:49] <Amaranth> _dud_: nautilus does data cd burning and the next rhythmbox will do audio cd burning
[10:49] <Amaranth> oh, dvd
[10:49] <loststryk> there end i presume ?
[10:49] <Hikaru79> Returned some stuff. Should i type it out?
[10:49] <ogra> loststryk: there must be some doc for gftp....
[10:49] <Pozac> does it not do dvd's?
[10:49] <rwabel> pozac: don't know, maybe you like playing with that. why not a little bit qt style
[10:49] <Amaranth> look to coaster, eventually
[10:49] <ogra> Hikaru79: is there an ip address ?
[10:49] <_dud_> technically, and cd burner could do dvds
[10:49] <Pozac> rwabel, but but the hig?
[10:49] <rwabel> hig?
[10:49] <Hikaru79> There's an inet address. Not an IP.
[10:49] <Pozac> yeh
[10:49] <_dud_> the difference is largely in size of the medium
[10:49] <rwabel> pozac: what's a hig?
[10:50] <_dud_> so the app needs to understand that its a dvd
[10:50] <Pozac> gnome's human interface guideline
[10:50] <Pozac> s
[10:50] <ogra> Hikaru79: something valid ?
[10:50] <Pozac> like where to put buttons
[10:50] <Hikaru79> ogra, shall I type out its input on a pasteboard?
[10:50] <Hikaru79> No, it says inet addr: 127.0.0.1
[10:50] <ogra> Hikaru79: put it in #flood
[10:50] <Crane> BRB
[10:50] <ogra> Hikaru79: no eth0 ?
[10:50] <rwabel> pozac: I don't know exactely how much it changes the sytle...I have to check it out when my theme manager works again
[10:50] <Hikaru79> No eth0
[10:51] <rwabel> ok going watch tv a bit
[10:51] <Hikaru79> mentioned anywhere
[10:51] <Pozac> rwabel, why not the other way around?
[10:51] <ogra> Hikaru79: 127.0.0.1 is only loopback
[10:51] <Hikaru79> It's a laptop running an ethernet card that I had to fight with the installer to recognize in the first half
[10:51] <_dud_> im thinking i could make a pastebin for this channel... seems needed
[10:51] <Hikaru79> When it was still downloading the system.
[10:51] <ogra> Hikaru79: and you had a working net setup ?
[10:51] <Hikaru79> For those 30 minutes, yes
[10:51] <ogra> Hikaru79: weird
[10:51] <Hikaru79> Since I was installing it from floppy
[10:51] <_dud_> whats the card called then?
[10:51] <Hikaru79> The ethernet card?
[10:51] <_dud_> yeah
[10:52] <_dud_> brand and model
[10:52] <Pozac> uh-oh
[10:52] <ogra> _dud_: there is #flood for pasting
[10:52] <Hikaru79> It's a D-Link 32-bit 10/100 MB PC card (Model: DFE-690TXD)
[10:52] <Crane> w00t w00t
[10:52] <_dud_> Hikaru79, check google to see what sort of linux kernel drivers it has
[10:53] <Crane> I am now on my newly installed ubuntu system!!
[10:53] <_dud_> and then type lsmod to see if its loaded
[10:53] <Pozac> Crane, awesome!
[10:53] <ogra> Crane: congrats
[10:53] <Pozac> Crane, how do you like it?
[10:53] <_dud_> unless try loading it with modprobe
[10:53] <Hikaru79> _dud_, I've already got the drivers on a CD. They're just uncompiled :(
[10:53] <ogra> Crane: happy christmas ;)
[10:53] <_dud_> Hikaru79, what are ya waiting for then? ;)
[10:53] <Crane> thanks
[10:53] <Crane> it'nice so far
[10:54] <Hikaru79> _dud_, if it absolutely needed that, then how was it able to download the Debian system a minute ago?
[10:54] <Crane> Now I just have to install nvidia drivers and q3
[10:54] <Crane> :)
[10:54] <Pozac> Crane, don't forget to install ubuntu-calender and get the sweet naked chick background
[10:54] <_dud_> good point, just try modprobing then
[10:54] <ogra> Crane: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:54] <Crane> Pozac??
[10:54] <_dud_> the driver probably comes with the kernel
[10:54] <ogra> Crane: for nvidia
[10:55] <Hikaru79> _dud_, modprobe with what argument?
[10:55] <Crane> Cool Thanks
[10:55] <Pozac> Crane, yeah! ubuntu has a desktop background calender included!
[10:55] <ogra> Pozac: i think there will be a guy in a week ;)
[10:55] <Hikaru79> It says: modprobe: nothing to load ??? Specify at least a module or a wildcard like /*
[10:55] <Pozac> ogra, I think so too
[10:55] <Pozac> ogra, I hate that guy
[10:55] <pw> Pozac: It does? Where is it? I can't find it.
[10:55] <_dud_> calendar even ;)
[10:55] <Pozac> pw, apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[10:55] <ogra> Pozac: come on, leave something for the girls around
[10:55] <Pozac> _dud_, yeah
[10:56] <pw> Pozac: thanx
[10:56] <Pozac> ogra, there are girls around?
[10:56] <mp_> hey... should you use K7 kernel on k7 mobile??
[10:56] <ogra> Pozac: sure
[10:56] <Crane> interested in the calender but don't need to explain naked lady to children
[10:56] <Crane> :)
[10:56] <_dud_> erm, i guess ill not install calendar this month then
[10:56] <crimsun> mp_: if the arch is class k7, yes.
[10:56] <_dud_> as this pc belongs to a 12yo girl >_<
[10:56] <_dud_> damn porn crazed people heh
[10:56] <mp_> how come ubuntu/apt dont do that??
[10:56] <Pozac> ogra, oh well.. I think I'll just go back to november when the guy comes on :)
[10:57] <crimsun> mp_: do what?
[10:57] <mp_> crimsun: select the right kernel??
[10:57] <Hikaru79> _dud_, what args do I use with modprobe?
[10:57] <crimsun> mp_: at what stage?
[10:57] <Pozac> makes me think of sex, rather than just the beatiful female body
[10:57] <_dud_> Hikaru79, just 'modprobe driver_name'
[10:58] <crimsun> mp_: the installation is geared toward the widest range not the specifics.
[10:58] <crimsun> mp_: you are supposed to install a new kernel yourself afterward if you feel the urge.
[10:58] <_dud_> id be keen to team up with someone to provide some sort of children mode for ubuntu btw
[10:58] <_dud_> if anyone is interested
[10:58] <mp_> crimsun: hmm.. it never asked during install actually.. i did a non-expert, 'cause the expert hang..
[10:58] <ogra> Pozac: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WomenInUbuntu
[10:58] <Pozac> mp_, everything works as is, the -k7 just optimized the 'lower' parts of the system more
[10:58] <_dud_> or fork a child ubuntu...
[10:58] <regeya> oh aiee
[10:58] <mp_> crimsun: hehe.. yes, i get it.. just used to RH/FC world..
[10:59] <regeya> a fork of ubuntu...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[10:59] <Hikaru79> _dud_, where is the log of the base system install stored?
[10:59] <Hikaru79> The name of the driver should be in there
[10:59] <Hikaru79> Considering it was used
[10:59] <mp_> Pozac: ok...
[10:59] <etorix> forking ubuntu
[10:59] <regeya> and when someone doesn't think that fork is perfect, someone can fork from it
[10:59] <_dud_> dont know... someone else know that?
[10:59] <Kamion> crimsun: main reason is that we didn't want to use up precious space on the CD with lots of alternative kernels
[10:59] <regeya> ubuntu _is_ a fork
[10:59] <etorix> kidbuntu
[10:59] <regeya> LOL
[10:59] <ogra> Hikaru79: why are you this sure the driver isnt loaded anymore ?
[10:59] <_dud_> kubuntu is already forked isnt it?
[10:59] <etorix> hee hee
[10:59] <_dud_> not like it would be the first...
[10:59] <Hikaru79> ogra, because I can't ping anything?
[10:59] <Kamion> we're aiming to actively support derivatives
[11:00] <crimsun> Kamion: mp_ probably. :)
[11:00] <Pozac> ubuntu is like a fork .. and a knife
[11:00] <Pozac> no scratch that
[11:00] <Kamion> Kubuntu is working within the Ubuntu universe at the moment, but may eventually end up more divergent
[11:00] <ogra> Hikaru79: it probably is only the net connection dropped
[11:00] <Pozac> ubuntu is like a fork, a knife and a spoon
[11:00] <Hikaru79> =S
[11:00] <regeya> so, you can't go naked in your own house in villahermosa.
[11:00] <Kamion> mp_,crimsun: like crimsun said ...
[11:00] <regeya> and people complain about fundies in the U.S.
[11:00] <Kamion> one suggested logo for Kubuntu has been a spoon ... "it's not a fork!"
[11:00] <_dud_> Kamion, could it be interesting to have some sort of kid version in the same manner?
[11:00] <mp_> Kamion: could apt not somehow be told what to find at least? .. some people dont want to hear about kernels :-)
[11:00] <Kamion> _dud_: sure
[11:00] <Hikaru79> Why would it have dropped, ogra?
[11:01] <Kamion> mp_: the generic kernel is fine, the people who don't want to hear about kernels don't care about optimised kernels either
[11:01] <_dud_> mp_, you can exclude things easily in your sources.list
[11:01] <|QuaD-> Kamion: who is working on kubuntu?
[11:01] <Kamion> mp_: the installer just picks 386, which is fine
[11:01] <Pozac> we could all easily use 386
[11:01] <ogra> Hikaru79: no idea... try a lsmod and see if there is something related to the NIC
[11:01] <Kamion> |QuaD-: Chris Halls, Andreas Mueller, Jonathan Riddell I think, probably a few others
[11:01] <|QuaD-> ok
[11:02] <llun_ved> does ubuntu still have usb pen drive issues
[11:02] <Kamion> "issues"?
[11:02] <ogra> had it ?
[11:02] <etorix> theres a #kubuntu
[11:02] <|QuaD-> Kamion: is there a website yet?
[11:02] <pw> llun_ved: well, mine works.
[11:02] <Kamion> |QuaD-: not that I know of, but I'm not involved with the project
[11:02] <_dud_> neat, k3b works nice from just synaptic install
[11:02] <|QuaD-> ohh :)
[11:02] <ogra> |QuaD-: on the wiki
[11:02] <_dud_> figured it would need lots of command line hell
[11:02] <|QuaD-> ogra: ?
[11:02] <_dud_> it being kde native and all...
[11:02] <mp_> ok...
[11:03] <_dud_> Kamion, you're a ubuntu developer are you?
[11:03] <ogra> _dud_: did you already relogin ?
[11:03] <Kamion> _dud_: yeah
[11:03] <_dud_> or canonical employee?
[11:03] <officerrage> hi
[11:03] <_dud_> nice...
[11:03] <ogra> _dud_: after the k3b install ?
[11:03] <_dud_> ogra, nope... ran anyway tho
[11:03] <Kamion> _dud_: both
[11:03] <Pozac> mp_, if you install the -k7 kernel it will add itself as an option in grub - so it's safe to try it out..
[11:03] <_dud_> Kamion, heh ok
[11:03] <ogra> _dud_: your X will not boot anymore then
[11:03] <mp_> Pozac, I am doing that as i type. :-)
[11:04] <_dud_> ogra, d'oh
[11:04] <mp_> cheers..
[11:04] <_dud_> why not?
[11:04] <Pozac> mp_, if you change, you better get the linux-restricted-modules k7 package too
[11:04] <etorix> the kernel-image?
[11:04] <Pozac> mp_, if you use any of those
[11:04] <Crane> where is the apt sources listed?
[11:04] <ogra> _dud_: you need to remove the file ~/.ICEauthority k3b created with root permissions
[11:04] <mp_> yes, i am desperate for wireless..!
[11:04] <mp_> Pozac: good point....
[11:04] <Kamion> mp_: just install linux-k7, that takes care of what Pozac said
[11:04] <Pozac> :)
[11:05] <_dud_> Kamion, keep the kid ubuntu in mind would you...? ill prolly get back to it after christmas :)
[11:05] <Kamion> _dud_: won't be me working on that, I'm content to leave that to others :)
[11:05] <_dud_> Crane, /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:05] <Crane> thanks
[11:05] <_dud_> Kamion, i was thinking i could be the project lead, but it would be nice with some official support
[11:05] <_dud_> all i meant
[11:05] <Crane> for some reason my apt-get update isn't working
[11:05] <Kamion> _dud_: in the longer term we expect Canonical employees to be working on the stuff you need to pay people to do in order for it to get done, and the community to be doing the wild bluesky ideas :-)
[11:06] <Kamion> that's a slightly unfair description, but you get the idea
[11:06] <Pozac> Kamion, so he doesn't need the linux-restricted-modules-k7 then?
[11:06] <Kamion> Pozac: linux-k7 depends on linux-image-k7 and linux-restricted-modules-k6
[11:06] <_dud_> yeah, i get it
[11:06] <Kamion> er, -k7
[11:06] <|QuaD-> i wonder how the 30 second boot time is going? my comp is at like 45 seconds
[11:06] <Pozac> Kamion, oh ok, thanks
[11:06] <Crane> ahhh the CDrom is the only listed source
[11:06] <|QuaD-> with hoary
[11:06] <Pozac> whats the comp?
[11:06] <Crane> anysuggestions on which ones to uncomment?
[11:06] <|QuaD-> Pozac: hoary?
[11:07] <Pozac> yeah yeah
[11:07] <Pozac> 3ghz?
[11:07] <Pozac> 600mhz?
[11:07] <_dud_> Kamion, might not be your area... but how long will it take before my mirror appears on the download page?
[11:07] <|QuaD-> wow... my 2.6 GHz does it in 45 seconds
[11:07] <_dud_> ive already set off an mail to that guy listed on the wiki pages for being a mirror
[11:07] <|QuaD-> even before the optimizations, it took about 70 seconds
[11:07] <Pozac> |QuaD-, oh ok
[11:07] <officerrage> can i run the hardware detection manually? i installed an additional soundcard (old soundblaster). how can i make it work?
[11:07] <etorix> hmm .. child-proof linux ..
[11:07] <Kamion> _dud_: James is on holiday at the moment, he'll be back in a week or so
[11:08] <Kamion> depends when you sent it
[11:08] <Kamion> I think he's a bit behind on the mirror list stuff
[11:08] <_dud_> Kamion, ok, excellent
[11:08] <officerrage> ^everthing back... works
[11:08] <_dud_> im running a daily rsync
[11:08] <Pozac> |QuaD-, well it's supposed to become 30 seconds on an IBM Thinkpad X40 (with a slow, smaller-than-standard notebook drive)
[11:08] <_dud_> seeing as you only have one present us mirror, it should be valuable
[11:08] <|QuaD-> Pozac: currently?
[11:08] <Kamion> technically I have the ability to change that list, but I'm reluctant to in case I end up being responsible for mirrors
[11:08] <Pozac> like 1.3ghz
[11:08] <_dud_> a cd image mirror
[11:08] <mp_> kamion, anything is particular to worry about wrt wireless?
[11:08] <_dud_> Kamion, hehe
[11:08] <|QuaD-> Pozac: have they put all the changes thoruhg?
[11:09] <mp_> s/is/in
[11:09] <Pozac> |QuaD-, dunno.. just what I read from the planet gnome and etc
[11:09] <Kamion> mp_: shouldn't be, lots of the developers live on wireless ...
[11:09] <mp_> hehe
[11:09] <Pozac> |QuaD-, There's a lot to go :)
[11:09] <_dud_> ogra, about k3b... is my x server really fscked?
[11:09] <_dud_> what was it you mentioned about that file?
[11:09] <ogra> _dud_: you need to remove the file ~/.ICEauthority k3b created with root permissions
[11:09] <_dud_> ok, thanks
[11:10] <|QuaD-> Pozac: yeah
[11:10] <ogra> _dud_: else X will complain and fail
[11:10] <Pozac> |QuaD-, I dont care much, I use hibernation.. it's totally sweet and fast
[11:10] <_dud_> ~ for the current user right?
[11:10] <Kamion> heh, j^ was right about python-qt3's dependencies being hosed
[11:10] <_dud_> not /root?
[11:10] <|QuaD-> Pozac: i don't turn mine off?
[11:10] <|QuaD-> Pozac: its just cool bragging rights
[11:10] <ogra> _dud_: yep, for the user that ran k3bsetup
[11:10] <Pozac> |QuaD-, indeed
[11:10] <Hikaru79> OK, ogra, I fixed my net issue, but I was in the middle of an installer when I pressed F2. How do i go back
[11:10] <Hikaru79> ?
[11:10] <_dud_> ah, i never did run k3bsetup
[11:11] <_dud_> i just tried k3b without setting it up
[11:11] <ogra> Hikaru79: alt-f1
[11:11] <_dud_> i wont get my burner before tomorrow
[11:11] <Hikaru79> w00t, thanks ogra :)
[11:11] <Pozac> |QuaD-, I even tried messing around with services although I hibernate - so I know what you mean :)
[11:11] <Mojo_Jojo> hey, I know this is a ubuntu chat but I don't know where else for a quick windows Q
[11:11] <etorix> you have to be in the burning group
[11:11] <Hikaru79> Connecting :) You rule
[11:11] <ogra> _dud_: look if this file is there and delete it if its there :) if you get X probs you know what to do ;)
[11:11] <Mojo_Jojo> can someone help me connect a winXP to a 98
[11:11] <|QuaD-> Mojo_Jojo: we don't use windows here
[11:12] <_dud_> hmm, just noticed that ubuntu thinks this is a laptop
[11:12] <|QuaD-> try #windows
[11:12] <_dud_> it has all the cpufreq* modules loaded
[11:12] <Mojo_Jojo> |QuaD I know but there is knowonw there :/
[11:12] <_dud_> ogra, yeah, i deleted it just to be sure
[11:12] <ogra> _dud_: good
[11:13] <Pozac> _dud_, some desktop processors actually save power :)
[11:13] <_dud_> Pozac, sure as hell not this old pII hehe :D
[11:13] <Pozac> ah come on
[11:13] <Pozac> hehe
[11:13] <Pozac> theres a lot loaded
[11:13] <_dud_> thats sort of a minor bug i suppose
[11:13] <Pozac> better be safe than sorry
[11:14] <_dud_> non-needed modules isnt nice, right?
[11:14] <Pozac> you probably also have xfs
[11:14] <ogra> suzan: would you mind to rewrite your photoshop guide in english ? i pointed someone there yesterday and he loved it, but had probs to understand the babelfish translation :)
[11:14] <_dud_> takes up resources, potential security risk, etc
[11:14] <_dud_> ogra, stop scaring the girls away heh
[11:14] <Pozac> potential security risk?
[11:14] <ogra> heh
[11:14] <_dud_> Pozac, well not like that
[11:14] <Pozac> never heard of that.. ?
[11:15] <Pozac> but a little resources, yeah
[11:15] <Pozac> I have the floppy module loaded
[11:15] <_dud_> i suppose im just used to stream lined kernels
[11:15] <Pozac> yeah
[11:15] <Pozac> me too
[11:16] <Pozac> it will get cleaned up.. sometime
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> _dud_: modules you don't need in fact have a very-close-to-0 impact
[11:16] <Pozac> when the reason for mess to be there disappears
[11:16] <_dud_> HrdwrBoB, ok...
[11:16] <_dud_> hmm, where is ubuntu's equalent to slack's /etc/rc.modules?
[11:17] <crimsun> /etc/modules
[11:17] <Pozac> |QuaD-, have you installed readahead btw?
[11:17] <_dud_> used to SysV typed rc now...
[11:17] <Crane> OK back again, this time with nvidia drivers installed!!
[11:17] <Pozac> Crane, and the chick? ;)
[11:17] <Crane> ;)
[11:17] <_dud_> erm, the modules file only had 5 entries
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[11:18] <Pozac> So what's next, Crane ?
[11:18] <_dud_> when is the other stuff loaded? and where is it?
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> modules are auto loaded by hotplug
[11:18] <Pozac> _dud_, hotplug I think
[11:18] <Crane> hmmmmm
[11:18] <_dud_> hotplug, right
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> if you don't want them you can put them in a blacklist
[11:18] <Crane> trying to figure out how to stop all the windows when browsing
[11:18] <_dud_> the only errors i get at boot time has to do with hotplug
[11:18] <Pozac> I've put shpchp and pciehp  there
[11:18] <_dud_> those two yes
[11:18] <_dud_> hehe
[11:18] <Pozac> Crane, you can switch nautilus to always use it's browser mode
[11:19] <crimsun> those are negligible and can be safely ignored, _dud_
[11:19] <|QuaD-> http://news.com.com/Next+IBM-Apple+chip+getting+high-end+feature/2100-1006_3-5499954.html?tag=nefd.top
[11:19] <_dud_> is it a warty bug?
[11:19] <ficusplanet> Why did the Ubuntu developers decide against NetworkManager for hoary?  Is there any chance it will be used in a later release?
[11:19] <|QuaD-> run macos AND linux on your ppc!
[11:19] <Pozac> Crane, Edit -> Settings .. there's a "Always use browser" option inthere
[11:19] <_dud_> because they cant be found during boot
[11:19] <ck101> hi
[11:19] <Crane> thanks
[11:20] <_dud_> oh well, im gonna go drunk some glgg and whisky now
[11:20] <Pozac> _dud_, guess the controllers (or what they are) need to have the modules loaded in order to be detected
[11:20] <_dud_> christmas stuff heh
[11:20] <Pozac> _dud_, enjoy :)
[11:20] <s0cks> w00t
[11:20] <_dud_> i sure will :D
[11:20] <s0cks> cds came
[11:20] <izmaelis> hey, I just installed ubuntu and I'm having some troubles with compiling/installing apps from sources
[11:20] <s0cks> going to install
[11:20] <_dud_> merry christmas folks
[11:20] <ogra> _dud_: same to you ;)
[11:20] <Pozac> izmaelis, First, get the build-essential package from apt
[11:20] <_dud_> ill be back sometimes tomorrow after having opened my gifts and such
[11:21] <Pozac> merry christmas, _dud_ ;)
[11:21] <_dud_> with a brand new dvd burner and a nice hardrive hehe
[11:21] <izmaelis> in example: I try to compile amule and I receive such error "c++ compiler cannot create executable" what's wrong?
[11:21] <_dud_> have a good one...
[11:21] <Crane> Pozac what is shpchp and pciehp for?
[11:21] <Pozac> izmaelis, You need to run 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[11:21] <izmaelis> Pozac, apt-get install build-essential?
[11:21] <Crane> I get fatal errors involving those during start up
[11:22] <izmaelis> ah, ok
[11:22] <Pozac> izmaelis, yep!
[11:22] <Pozac> Crane, they are some advanced controllers for servers I think
[11:22] <Crane> oh OK
[11:22] <Pozac> Crane, Not sure, but don't worry
[11:22] <Crane> I'm not using this computer as a server
[11:22] <Pozac> Crane, if you want to remove the errors, I'll explain how
[11:22] <Crane> ehh I never worry
[11:22] <Crane> ;)
[11:22] <Pozac> thought so ;)
[11:23] <Pozac> it's dead simple though
[11:23] <Crane> The errors don't bother me as long as the machinr runs good
[11:23] <Kamion> ficusplanet: we'll be using netapplet (and polishing it up a bit) instead. The developer who was investigating NetworkManager reported that it had been getting increasingly scarier code-wise as time went on
[11:23] <izmaelis> Pozac, now Im getting "configure: error: unable to use zlib - no peer found"
[11:23] <Crane> is it a service trying to start/
[11:23] <pw> Crane: They're modules for PCI express and hot-pluggable PCI
[11:24] <pw> You can blacklist them to prevent the errors at startup
[11:24] <Crane> cool thanks
[11:24] <ficusplanet> Kamion, Do you know if you guys are going to be getting nice HAL integration into netapplet (like human-readable device names instead eth0, wlan0, etc.)?
[11:24] <Kamion> ficusplanet: dunno sorry
[11:25] <Pozac> izmaelis, Are you aware that you can just apt-get amule? You just need to add the community supported software repository
[11:25] <ficusplanet> Kamion, np.  Thanks for the info and all the hard work for hoary.
[11:25] <heero17> hi
[11:25] <heero17> >(
[11:25] <Pozac> izmaelis, I'll explain how, unless you have a reason to compile it yourself :)
[11:26] <Pozac> whats on your mind, heero17 ?
[11:26] <heero17> huh?
[11:27] <Pozac> angry smiley?
[11:27] <heero17> only see the time
[11:27] <izmaelis> Pozac, it's funny but after "apt-cache search amule" I can't see any results of search
[11:28] <Pozac> izmaelis, then you need the repository
[11:28] <izmaelis> Pozac, how should I do that?
[11:29] <Pozac> izmaelis, open synaptic, go to Settings -> Archives
[11:29] <Pozac> izmaelis, find the line that says deb http://archive.ubuntu.com warty main restricted
[11:29] <Fator_Tee> how come I installed Vegastrike, but I can't seem to figure out how to start the damn thing :-\
[11:30] <Pozac> select it, then at the bottom in 'Section(s)', make it say 'main restricted universe' instead
[11:30] <ficusplanet> OK, one more hoary question, is usplash still in the works?  Is there or will there be a way to test it anytime soon?
[11:30] <mp_> Kamion, synaptic didnt include linux-restructed-modules-k7, did you say it would - or did i misunderstand?
[11:32] <crimsun> mp_: the 'restricted' repo is not enabled by default as I recall
[11:32] <podengo> Hi, I am on ubuntu on a laptop, and I've somehow lost my
[11:32] <podengo> /dev/hdc for my cdrom. dmesg | grep -i cdr shows:
[11:32] <podengo> hdc: UJDA740 DVD/CDRW, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[11:32] <podengo> So I go to /dev and run ./MAKEDEV -v hdc, and it shows it
[11:32] <podengo> creating hdc* devices. I do ls hdc*, and I get nothing.
[11:32] <podengo> HOWEVER, I do "locate hdc" and it shows the devices
[11:32] <podengo> under /.dev, not /dev. What am I doing wrong? Thanks!
[11:32] <Pozac> mp_, I thought so - I switched to 2.6.9-686 yesterday, and it didn't include it there either, since my first boot of it was without the madwifi atheros driver :)
[11:32] <mp_> Pozac, well actually it does, i see now..
[11:32] <mp_> hmm..
[11:32] <Pozac> hmmm
[11:33] <mp_> what did i just install then??? :-/
[11:33] <crimsun> check your command history
[11:34] <Pozac> in synaptic?
[11:34] <mp_> yes
[11:34] <crimsun> if you did it in a terminal, use the up arrow
[11:34] <Pozac> *cough* /var/log/emerge.log *cough*
[11:34] <Pozac> sorry
[11:34] <ogra> podengo: ubuntu uses udev.... makedev wont work.... just load the right module
[11:34] <izmaelis> ok, I'm doing apt-get update... (-:
[11:35] <ogra> podengo: i.e. : sudo modprobe ide-cd
[11:35] <mp_> hehe..
[11:35] <heero17> >O
[11:35] <dags> what's the package name to install gnome?
[11:35] <crimsun> dags: ubuntu-desktop pulls it in by default.
[11:35] <mp_> Pozac, yes, in synaptic... otherwise it would be there in front of me, wouldnt it? :-)
[11:35] <dags> aha
[11:35] <Pozac> mp_, that's what my point was
[11:36] <Pozac> mp_, apt logs nothing
[11:36] <Pozac> Dont think it can be set to log either
[11:36] <jedi-linux> ubuntu boots with some graphic boot loader as Grub?
[11:36] <jedi-linux> with framebuffer?
[11:36] <Pozac> not here
[11:36] <Pozac> I had to enable it myself
[11:36] <ogra> jedi-linux: not yet
[11:36] <jedi-linux> ok
[11:36] <Pozac> There's some nice stuff coming, it seems. :)
[11:37] <jedi-linux> >D
[11:37] <Pozac> Too bad it doesn't play well with the new early X start
[11:37] <pep9> hi all
[11:37] <Pozac> hey pep9
[11:37] <jedi-linux> hi
[11:37] <pep9> so how's everybody liking ubuntu so far?
[11:38] <protocol> helloo all :D
[11:38] <pep9> hi
[11:38] <mp_> Pozac, hmm. synaptic is good for browsing the packages.., but no logs..
[11:38] <crimsun> Pozac: works fine here.
[11:38] <izmaelis> hey, I found some info on the net that linux distros that are based on binary packages are not so fast as those that are based on source packages (i.e. Gentoo). I want to hear your oppinion on this topic (if you don't mind)
[11:38] <jedi-linux> hi protocol
[11:38] <ogra> crimsun: usplash ?
[11:38] <pep9> well i'm having a weird problem
[11:39] <jedi-linux> i have gentoo,and have great performance
[11:39] <ogra> izmaelis: thats nonsense
[11:39] <pep9> regarding performance
[11:39] <protocol> hey, is anyone here, besides me, having problems getting glx/nvidia drivers to work?
[11:39] <pep9> protocol : not me
[11:39] <Pozac> crimsun, ok. Those images at the top gets painted on top of the X screen on my mach64
[11:39] <jedi-linux> but, some times is hard compile big programs as the kde
[11:39] <protocol> pep9, what kernel are you using?
[11:39] <jedi-linux> depends of u pc,
[11:39] <crimsun> ogra: no the move to 16
[11:39] <ogra> protocol: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:39] <Pozac> crimsun, only until gdm starts tho
[11:39] <ogra> crimsun: ahh
[11:39] <pep9> not shure
[11:39] <crimsun> ogra: err, 13.
[11:39] <pep9> just installed the sucker
[11:39] <pep9> :)
[11:39] <pep9> wait
[11:40] <izmaelis> ogra, can you say why?
[11:40] <Pozac> izmaelis, From experience - it takes WAAAAY to much work :)
[11:40] <mp_> Pozac: well, not i can see it - i updated the 386 kernel, it appears in grub :-)
[11:40] <mp_> s/not/now
[11:40] <ogra> izmaelis: its probably measurable, but not worth sitting several night in front of your pc watching it compiling
[11:40] <protocol> ogra, the thing is I installed everything, but when I do modprobe nvidia it tells me that the module could not be found..
[11:41] <ogra> protocol: with the right restrichted modules package ?
[11:41] <Cube-ness> grr. this is really annoying.. kernel 2.6.9 panics.. failed sync etc at the hotplug init part of boot
[11:41] <pep9> 1.0.6111 nvidia kernel drivers
[11:41] <protocol> ogra, I'm using hoary. So I re-installed all the packages again
[11:42] <ogra> protocol: there is no working nvidia driver for xorg afaik
[11:42] <Pozac> mp_, it does it all by itself :)
[11:42] <pep9> can anyone make a comment on this problem i have regarding dns
[11:42] <protocol> ogra, ya I know. Noticed that. That's why I switched back to xfree86 ;)
[11:43] <Pozac> pep9, Of course
[11:43] <pep9> well
[11:43] <pep9> its like this
[11:43] <ogra> protocol: hmm, then you are on your own...thats a weird setup...to mix the distros
[11:43] <izmaelis> ogra, I thought about his too... I'm still using Gentoo on my desktop, but I can't let me lay my hands on my lappy and start using gentoo on it. It's too time consuming.
[11:43] <etorix> i have working nvidia on xorg on two other systems
[11:43] <etorix> not on ubuntu tho
[11:43] <etorix> glx errors
[11:44] <pep9> i installed the distro and everything works fine... except that urls take forever to resolve .... I'm using a DSL 1Mbit connection with DHCP
[11:44] <ogra> izmaelis: thats what i mean, too much effort for the benefit
[11:44] <protocol> ogra, I would of thought so. Everything was working at first glance of adding the hoary reps to my sources.list.  Then after I did a upgrade the 4th time, everything went to hell
[11:44] <Wonderman> Hey, I need some help, I've tried searching on forum, but found no answers, just questions: xmms and mplayer keep returning segment fault after last few upgrades. Anyone had a problem like this?
[11:44] <nonajme> where can i find a vserver howto?
[11:44] <Pozac> pep9, maybe your DNS server is slow?
[11:44] <pep9> don't think so
[11:44] <ogra> protocol: thats why everywhere is said you should not mix them
[11:44] <pep9> because when i boot windoze it works fine
[11:44] <pep9> fast
[11:45] <Pozac> hmm
[11:45] <ogra> nonajme: apache.org ?
[11:45] <protocol> ogra, bah... I will fix this problem one way or another
[11:45] <pep9> its weird
[11:45] <Pozac> same one?
[11:45] <nonajme> ogra: no (?)
[11:45] <jedi-linux> pep9 you have the eth0 as dhcp? in te boot
[11:45] <pep9> same one (?)
[11:45] <pep9> yeah
[11:45] <Pozac> and windows is not just pulling from it's dns cache?
[11:46] <pep9> well i made some tests
[11:46] <Pozac> same DNS server i mean :)
[11:46] <pep9> visiting some sites i never vidited before
[11:46] <pep9> visited*
[11:46] <ogra> protocol: the official statement if you mixed the distros is: either switch to hoary completely or reinstall warty
[11:46] <Pozac> oh ok
[11:46] <pep9> the dns servers that dhcp assigns are the same
[11:46] <mp_> booted the K7 kernel, and same problem as before and as in FC3: /dev/hdc lost interrupt - drive appears confused..
[11:46] <pep9> maybe its a problem with firefox?
[11:47] <Pozac> you're not just using ping?
[11:47] <pep9> do you think i should try another browser?
[11:47] <protocol> ogra, reinstall wary from scratch and lose all my work? or do a apt-get reinstall?
[11:47] <protocol> warty*
[11:47] <jedi-linux> try with ping
[11:47] <Pozac> it will resolve the adress before the first line
[11:47] <pep9> I can ping a name
[11:47] <Pozac> that will give you a time
[11:47] <martin_> hey Pozac could you give me a little help?
[11:47] <Pozac> martin_, certainlyy
[11:47] <pep9> (well thats stupid of me,,, i should already tried that)
[11:47] <pep9> :)
[11:48] <Pozac> martin_, what ails you?
[11:48] <ogra> protocol: the statement from jdub (i think mdz as well) was reinstall or do a complete upgrade... i woudl agree with them here
[11:48] <pep9> gonna check it out
[11:48] <pep9> thx
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[11:48] <ogra> protocol: which would mean from scratch
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> you can of course go about fixing things
[11:48] <protocol> ogra, hah! lol... nah I'm ok
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> but if you don't know what you're doing
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> then I wouldn't recommend it
[11:49] <protocol> ogra, I'll deal with it
[11:49] <ogra> protocol: k
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> and if you do know, you'd most likely just upgrade anmd be done with it
[11:49] <etorix> o well
[11:49] <crimsun> protocol: what's the issue?
[11:49] <etorix>  b0rked my second install
[11:49] <protocol> crimsun, nvidia module in hoary
[11:49] <etorix> ubuntu has possibilities
[11:49] <etorix> but not yet for my amd64
[11:49] <protocol> crimsun, installed all the packages, and did modprobe nvidia and says it cant find the module
[11:51] <dags> is it safe to tame the flood of "apic error on cpu0 60(60)" by just booting with noirqdebug?
[11:51] <crimsun> protocol: what packages did you install?
[11:51] <ogra> crimsun: xfree over xorg
[11:51] <Pozac> dags, Perhaps apic is disabled in bios?
[11:51] <pep9> shlt! 100% packet loss
[11:52] <Pozac> yeah
[11:52] <protocol> crimsun, hmm.. glx, glx-dev, nvidia-settings, and nvidia-kernel-source
[11:52] <Pozac> by ping?
[11:52] <pep9> what am i doing wrong
[11:52] <Pozac> nobody replies to ping
[11:52] <pep9> ping url
[11:52] <pep9> this server does
[11:52] <ogra> protocol: didnt you say you reverted the X to xfree ?
[11:52] <Pozac> yeah
[11:52] <mp_> dmesg output (k7): hda/hdb/hdb IRQ prob failed, adb asking for cache data failed /dev/hdc lost interrupt - drive appears confused.. :-(
[11:52] <protocol> ogra, yup I did that
[11:53] <pep9> gonna check it again ... perhaps this one is down
[11:53] <crimsun> protocol: `uname -r`
[11:53] <protocol> crimsun, 2.6.9-1-686
[11:54] <crimsun> protocol: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-686|grep ^ii
[11:55] <protocol> crimsun, tell me that there are no packages found matching it...
[11:55] <crimsun> then of course you're going to get that modprobe error.
[11:55] <protocol> ahh
[11:55] <protocol> I see...
[11:56] <protocol> head*
[11:56] <protocol> gonna apt-get it right now
[11:56] <protocol> :>
[11:57] <pep9> whats the command for tracert under linux, please
[11:57] <crimsun> traceroute
[11:57] <crimsun> or tracepath
[11:58] <pep9> thanks
[11:58] <crimsun> both of those commands have IPv6 counterparts
[11:58] <Pozac> pep9, trace<tab><tab>
[11:58] <pep9> :)
[11:58] <Pozac> pep9, tab-completion is a wonderful thing :)
[11:58] <pep9> such a noob ... shame on me
[11:58] <pep9> :)
[11:59] <jacobat> no shame in beeing new
[11:59] <jacobat> s/ee/e/
[11:59] <ogra> pep9: we all were once new ;)