| lamont | Kamion: heh | 12:02 |
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| carlos | Kamion: now it's a good time to start learning Spanish :-P | 12:03 |
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| mxpxpod | what's wrong with mono on hoary? why is it still in limbo on ppc? | 12:34 |
| Kamion | requires manual bootstrapping, I think ... | 12:38 |
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| lamont | Kamion: btw, no love from ia64 install CD | 12:41 |
| Kamion | lamont: what's up with it? | 12:41 |
| lamont | loads of missing udebs, --> can't load installer components from CD | 12:41 |
| Kamion | yes, I just got a bug about that ... | 12:41 |
| lamont | affects other CD's too? | 12:41 |
| lamont | easy to fix? | 12:42 |
| Kamion | doesn't affect current powerpc | 12:42 |
| lamont | do you want a list? | 12:43 |
| Kamion | easy to fix when I know what's wrong ... :) | 12:43 |
| Kamion | I'd rather have a copy of /var/log/syslog | 12:43 |
| lamont | yeah - easier said that done, yes? | 12:43 |
| Kamion | you have nc in busybox | 12:43 |
| lamont | hrm... how hard to mount a USB pen drive at that point? | 12:43 |
| lamont | ah, nc is cool. | 12:43 |
| Kamion | #4940, BTW | 12:43 |
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| Kamion | ta | 12:44 |
| lamont | yeah, there's nc, but no network cards yet. :-( | 12:46 |
| lamont | time to take advantage of /dev/ttyS0 | 12:47 |
| lamont | Kamion: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/ia64.syslog | 12:51 |
| lamont | ( sh < /dev/ttyS0 > /dev/ttyS0 2>&1 is a powerful command... :-) | 12:52 |
| Kamion | Dec 23 16:37:50 main-menu[2068] : (process:5514): Segmentation fault | 12:52 |
| Kamion | whoa? | 12:52 |
| lamont | hrm. | 12:52 |
| lamont | command line? and I'll go run it with strace or something. | 12:53 |
| lamont | strace _is_ on the cd, yes? | 12:53 |
| Kamion | yeah, but probably won't work until libc6-udeb is installed | 12:54 |
| Kamion | udpkg -i that, then fish out strace. you don't get a command line, you'll have to find the main-menu process and strace -p it | 12:54 |
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| lamont | anyway, back on momentarily | 12:55 |
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| Kamion | lamont: hm ... you want to strace -f actually, sorry | 01:06 |
| Kamion | it's a child of main-menu that's segfaulting | 01:06 |
| lamont__ | yeah | 01:12 |
| lamont__ | figured that out. | 01:12 |
| lamont__ | and I need to do things in the background at least a little, since there's no job control. | 01:12 |
| Kamion | definitely anna segfaulting, but why ... | 01:13 |
| Kamion | all that code is identical to Debian | 01:14 |
| lamont__ | stracing shell scripts is _BORING_. | 01:15 |
| Kamion | yeah :) | 01:16 |
| lamont__ | fwiw, there's a really nice tombstone that comes up for hundreds of milliseconds before getting cleared. | 01:19 |
| lamont__ | otoh, serial console might make that not so bad... | 01:19 |
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| lamont__ | at least, I hope it does.... | 01:19 |
| lamont__ | yep. | 01:20 |
| lamont__ | serial here we come | 01:20 |
| Kamion | beginning to think strace won't help much though, might be more a gdb job | 01:20 |
| Kamion | which would mean rebuilding anna with debug symbols ... | 01:20 |
| lamont__ | I should have the tombstone shortly, at least | 01:21 |
| lamont__ | just have to remember to boot serial console, rather than vga.. :-( | 01:21 |
| lamont__ | Kamion: btw, 12-22 daily ppc installed just fine, thank you. | 01:22 |
| lamont__ | well, except for X not liking the display at all. | 01:22 |
| lamont__ | WTH is daniels when I need to beat him, huh? | 01:22 |
| Kamion | tombstone? | 01:23 |
| lamont__ | from the segv | 01:25 |
| lamont__ | traceback | 01:25 |
| Kamion | there must be some weird udeb involved here or something; the code runs fine on amd64, and on alpha/ia64 in Debian, so I don't think there are inherent 64-bit issues | 01:27 |
| lamont__ | p.u.c/~lamont/boot.out | 01:29 |
| lamont__ | firecall - should be back in about 30-40 min, I guess. | 01:29 |
| Kamion | how do I decode that? | 01:30 |
| Kamion | assuming that the call trace is outermost-last, the last thing is a syscall entry ... | 01:30 |
| daniels | lamont__: he's on holidays | 01:32 |
| Kamion | there are some unlink() calls in install_modules(), mind you | 01:32 |
| Kamion | lamont__: strace might actually be useful; it would allow me to see whether there's any debconf interaction following the last log entry | 01:35 |
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| lamont__ | back | 01:56 |
| lamont__ | daniels: X doesn't start on my ppc box. (G3) | 01:56 |
| lamont__ | :-( | 01:56 |
| lamont__ | Kamion: so you want me to boot it up again and capture strace output? | 01:57 |
| lamont__ | reipoc.e sound familiar? | 01:58 |
| lamont__ | (that's what's in r8...) | 01:58 |
| lamont__ | sorry. | 01:59 |
| lamont__ | reipoc-e | 01:59 |
| lamont__ | Loading components of the Ubuntu installer Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 726569706f632d7d | 02:00 |
| lamont__ | and that derives directly from that. | 02:01 |
| Kamion | lamont__: please | 02:02 |
| Kamion | (strace) | 02:02 |
| Kamion | never heard of reipoc-e | 02:02 |
| lamont__ | how about ... e-copier? | 02:06 |
| lamont__ | damn little endian world. | 02:06 |
| lamont__ | /cdrom/pool/main/a/archive-copier/archive-copier_0.0.11_ia64.udeb | 02:07 |
| Kamion | shouldn't be an unusual package ... | 02:09 |
| lamont__ | strace running | 02:10 |
| lamont__ | "unpacking archive-copier"... hrm. | 02:11 |
| Kamion | daniels: you know, we should probably change the Maintainer: of l-r-m ... | 02:11 |
| Kamion | lamont__: calling udpkg presumably? | 02:11 |
| lamont__ | yeah - but really slow because of the strace at 9600 baud :-( | 02:12 |
| lamont__ | [pid 5753] execve("/usr/bin/udpkg", ["udpkg", "--print-architecture"] , [/* 17 vars */] ) = 0 | 02:13 |
| lamont__ | working through that one | 02:13 |
| Kamion | wouldn't it be better to strace -o /tmp/whatever and then nc that somewhere? | 02:13 |
| lamont__ | no network | 02:14 |
| lamont__ | we have to finish loading the installer modules before we load the network modules... :-( | 02:14 |
| lamont__ | unless you want to tell me how to get a network that early? | 02:15 |
| lamont__ | then we just have the small issue that I'm using that network cable... | 02:15 |
| Kamion | ah, well it's possible with creative use of udpkg but it might perturb the problem | 02:16 |
| lamont__ | yeah | 02:16 |
| lamont__ | it doesn't help that I straced a bunch of stuff I didn't need to.. :-( | 02:17 |
| lamont__ | just grep'ed for Componens in hoary/release | 02:17 |
| lamont__ | [pid 5817] execve("/usr/bin/logger", ["logger", "-t", "cdrom-retriever", "warning: Unable to find restrict"...] , [/* 17 vars */] ) = 0 | 02:18 |
| lamont__ | wonder if that matters... | 02:18 |
| Kamion | that happens everywhere, will be fixing it soon | 02:19 |
| Kamion | you didn't strace -s <lots>? | 02:19 |
| lamont__ | what's -s do? | 02:23 |
| lamont__ | ia64.strace2 | 02:24 |
| lamont__ | (and ia64.strace, but that's the boring leadin) | 02:25 |
| lamont__ | 81% there | 02:25 |
| lamont__ | ' | 02:25 |
| lamont__ | grumble. crap connectivity | 02:26 |
| lamont__ | there now | 02:26 |
| lamont__ | pid 5514 is the child with issues, per syslog | 02:27 |
| lamont__ | and that's not in the strace output at all. | 02:28 |
| Kamion | there's no segv in that trace | 02:28 |
| lamont__ | which could just mean that it ran fast enough to not get grabbed before it failed. | 02:28 |
| Kamion | I think 5514 is just a shell that calls anna | 02:28 |
| lamont__ | child processes run free until the parent gets the pid back. | 02:28 |
| Kamion | so, where's the crash? | 02:28 |
| lamont__ | not in the trace | 02:29 |
| lamont__ | it happened at 18:03:41, if there are any times in the strace... | 02:29 |
| lamont__ | do you want one with -s large? | 02:31 |
| lamont__ | although I doubt it'll tell you anything | 02:32 |
| Kamion | what did you strace? | 02:32 |
| Kamion | hm, main-menu from the looks of it | 02:33 |
| lamont__ | would you like me to set up serial console access for you? (with a spare serial port).. | 02:33 |
| lamont__ | strace -f -p <pid-of-main-menu> | 02:33 |
| Kamion | it looks like the strace is truncated | 02:33 |
| Kamion | stops at: | 02:33 |
| Kamion | [pid 5818] --- | 02:33 |
| lamont__ | eventually I killed it. | 02:34 |
| Kamion | oh, ok | 02:34 |
| Kamion | serial access would be good if possible, yeah | 02:34 |
| lamont__ | but we were already dead by then. | 02:34 |
| Kamion | then I can trace to a file and look at the end of it | 02:34 |
| lamont__ | yeah - is work. gimme a bit. | 02:34 |
| lamont__ | you want it tonight, or just ready for you by morning? | 02:35 |
| Kamion | no rush | 02:35 |
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| mojo | daniels: I have this error EVEN though I have soft link the libglx, can u confirm for me whether it is a bug or my mistake? | 02:58 |
| mojo | root@ubuntu:/home/mojo # glxgears | 02:58 |
| mojo | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". | 02:58 |
| mojo | glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual. | 02:58 |
| mojo | root@ubuntu:/home/mojo # | 02:58 |
| lamont__ | warty server install is 'server', yes? | 03:01 |
| Kamion | no, 'custom' | 03:06 |
| lamont__ | custom. /me blesses help menusw | 03:06 |
| Kamion | hoary's 'server' | 03:06 |
| Kamion | (I lost the argument, eventually ...) | 03:06 |
| lamont__ | yeah - server makes me think it has daemons.... | 03:07 |
| Kamion | that's what I said to Mark | 03:13 |
| Kamion | elmo reckoned that pared-down was fine for servers, though, since you'd want to pick the package set yourself | 03:13 |
| Kamion | *shrug* | 03:13 |
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| mojo | daniels: I fixed it, dun bother | 03:18 |
| mojo | there is still libglademm2.4-dev based on old libglade2 that dep on python2.3. It's very annoying b/c I want to use the latest 2.4. Can someone spend a bit of time changing number 3 to number 4 in dep PLS | 03:20 |
| ogra | mojo: he is on holiday | 03:22 |
| mojo | ogra: k, let him relaz, I can handle some stuff w/o him | 03:22 |
| ogra | :) | 03:22 |
| lamont__ | after several boot attempts, isolated to a bad CD (diff box,i386 this time...) | 03:24 |
| mojo | lamont__:??? | 03:25 |
| Kamion | not all conversations start when you join the channel ;) | 03:26 |
| mojo | lol | 03:27 |
| lamont__ | Kamion: many of mine start without me... :-) | 03:27 |
| mojo | more lol | 03:28 |
| ogra | lol | 03:28 |
| lamont__ | I find myself reminded just how _SLOW_ 233 MHz is. | 03:28 |
| lamont__ | otoh, 233MHz should keep up with the printer OK. | 03:31 |
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| Kamion | aj: any thoughts on having debootstrap validate Release sigs? | 03:36 |
| anselm_ | Hello, could someone possible help me with a problem? | 03:37 |
| mojo | dude, if it's related to development, then ask | 03:38 |
| mojo | else go to #ubuntu | 03:38 |
| anselm_ | ok well go over to #ubuntu, thanks | 03:38 |
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| Kamion | mdz: what's happened to all the debian/changelog entries between 0.5.32 and 0.6.27? | 03:40 |
| mdz | Kamion: they were lost during the merge which brought the 0.6 branch up to date | 03:41 |
| mdz | the history is still there in arch | 03:41 |
| Kamion | I hope they'll be restored | 03:41 |
| mdz | most of it isn't particularly relevant in the mainline changelog | 03:41 |
| mdz | and it's not entirely clear to me where in the changelog they should go | 03:42 |
| mdz | perhaps a separate file would be OK | 03:42 |
| === Kamion just always puts stuff in versioned order, people seem to cope | ||
| mdz | you mentioned that you had some ideas for branch representation in changelogs | 03:42 |
| Kamion | I brought them up in one of the BOFs at Mataro | 03:43 |
| Kamion | basically: | 03:43 |
| Kamion | {{{ branch to do something | 03:43 |
| mdz | yes, but we didn't get to seeing an example | 03:43 |
| Kamion | apt (0.6.0) unstable; urgency=low | 03:43 |
| Kamion | ... | 03:43 |
| Kamion | }}} | 03:43 |
| mdz | the way 0.6 worked, I was merging everything I did in 0.5.x into it for many versions | 03:44 |
| mdz | so they really were parallel | 03:44 |
| Kamion | some notation around there to be clear about where you branched from, too | 03:44 |
| Kamion | ah | 03:44 |
| Kamion | it's just very confusing to the casual skimmer of debian/changelog at the moment | 03:44 |
| Kamion | anyway :) | 03:44 |
| mdz | yes, the current changelog ended up slightly weird too | 03:44 |
| mdz | apt (0.6.26) unstable; urgency=low | 03:45 |
| mdz | -- Matt Zimmerman <mdz@debian.org> Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:01:16 -0800 | 03:45 |
| mdz | apt (0.5.32) unstable; urgency=low | 03:45 |
| mdz | -- Matt Zimmerman <mdz@debian.org> Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:05:52 -0800 | 03:45 |
| Kamion | ugh, mvo left a bunch of arch junk around in the source package | 03:45 |
| mdz | ack | 03:45 |
| mdz | I thought I told him about debian/rules arch-build | 03:45 |
| mdz | I'll send mail | 03:45 |
| Kamion | oh wow, didn't realise apt-key was a shell script | 03:46 |
| mdz | perhaps I'll rewrite it in python-minimal :-) | 03:46 |
| Kamion | I almost had a heart-attack earlier today when I thought we'd ended up putting the Essential flag on python2.4-minimal | 03:47 |
| Kamion | then I remembered that python-minimal existed too, and relaxed | 03:47 |
| mdz | but python-minimal isn't essential either, yet | 03:48 |
| Kamion | indeed | 03:49 |
| aj | Kamion: having gpg on the install media was always too big an ask, otherwise sure, should be trivial | 03:53 |
| calc | Kamion: so rewriting it all in python and going to get rid of perl-base from essential? | 03:54 |
| Kamion | calc: don't expect that any time soon | 03:54 |
| Kamion | aj: I suspect we'll end up doing it, whether Debian do or not | 03:55 |
| Kamion | for the cdrom gpg can go anywhere really, but for netboot it really has to be in the initrd ... | 03:55 |
| Kamion | since you're getting all udebs after that from the network and you need to auth them | 03:55 |
| Kamion | and, of course, the netboot initrd needs to be signed with the archive key or something | 03:56 |
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| Kamion | calc: basically Mark wants to be able to use python more or less anywhere feasible, and doesn't want that to be stopped by trivial little details like the shape of essential ;) | 03:57 |
| calc | cool :) | 03:58 |
| Kamion | calc: that's a bit different from rewriting a big load of code that works | 03:58 |
| lamont__ | Kamion: any thought that the kernel could be playing with your head here? | 03:58 |
| lamont__ | that is, should I drop said kernel on the sarge install that's there, and see what it does? | 03:58 |
| Kamion | lamont__: well, a segfault is a segfault; it was pretty clear in the original log | 03:58 |
| Kamion | that probably won't work, kernel needs to match module udebs | 03:59 |
| lamont__ | yeah - and clearly grabbing some text and using it as a pointer... | 03:59 |
| Kamion | kernel version needs to match module udeb versions, that is | 03:59 |
| Kamion | otherwise anna won't retrieve them | 03:59 |
| lamont__ | Kamion: nah - I meant dropping linux-image-2.6.9 on the sarge box | 03:59 |
| lamont__ | it already has sarge installed, you see... | 03:59 |
| Kamion | guess so, you could try it | 04:00 |
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| lamont__ | back in a bit | 04:09 |
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| lamont__ | so who uploaded the b0rked l-r-m? | 04:54 |
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| pitti | Morning | 09:06 |
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| Treenaks | hey pitti | 09:09 |
| pitti | Hi Treenaks | 09:09 |
| pitti | Hi sivang | 09:09 |
| mvo | hi pitti | 09:09 |
| mvo | hi all :) | 09:09 |
| sivang | hi pitti ! morning | 09:26 |
| sivang | morning everybody else | 09:26 |
| sivang | :) | 09:26 |
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| bob2 | 'afternoon | 09:36 |
| sjoerd | morning | 09:36 |
| Treenaks | bobz0r | 09:37 |
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| pitti | Hi! | 09:40 |
| === pitti goes for family breakfast now | ||
| pitti | Happy Christmas everybody! | 09:41 |
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| sivang | Marry Xmas all :) | 10:25 |
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| sivang | hey ogra , marry xmas | 11:19 |
| sivang | seb128: was the small size bars on the app panel bug closed? I can't see it anymore.. | 11:47 |
| seb128 | sivang: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4918 | 11:51 |
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| sivang | seb128: tnx | 11:55 |
| Kamion | lamont: which b0rked l-r-m? | 11:56 |
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| sivang | seb128: and the weather report applet bug number? I added a backtrace :) | 12:12 |
| seb128 | already fixed | 12:17 |
| seb128 | I've made a patch yesterday | 12:17 |
| sivang | seb128: I just did a dist-upgrade, I can stil reproduce - has it not build yet? | 12:21 |
| seb128 | have you upgraded gnome-applets ? | 12:24 |
| sivang | seb128: I did a dist-upgrade, and it tells me it's the newest version already. what version # should I have? | 12:25 |
| seb128 | a new one | 12:25 |
| bob2 | hah | 12:25 |
| seb128 | if it doesn't update that's the new version is not built yet | 12:26 |
| seb128 | seems to be logical ... | 12:26 |
| sivang | seb128: 2.8.1-0ubuntu2 is what I have | 12:26 |
| sivang | seb128: ok :) | 12:26 |
| seb128 | gnome-applets is 2.9.3 | 12:26 |
| seb128 | you're using warty ? | 12:26 |
| sivang | eh ok ;-) I'll wait for it to build.. | 12:26 |
| seb128 | hum | 12:26 |
| sivang | seb128: no! hoary ofcourse | 12:27 |
| seb128 | warty will not changed ... | 12:27 |
| seb128 | 2.8.1 is the wartt version | 12:27 |
| === sivang is checking. maybe apt pinning is to blame? | ||
| seb128 | hoary has 2.9 since 1 Nov 2004 for gnome-applets | 12:28 |
| seb128 | no idea on what you have changed on your box | 12:28 |
| sivang | seb128: dang, apt pinning fooled me. it appears that only this package was still warty's version - upgrading now. Sorry for the hassle.. | 12:30 |
| seb128 | np | 12:30 |
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| Kamion | I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_Release.gpg | 12:59 |
| Kamion | I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_Release.gpg | 12:59 |
| Kamion | I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_Release | 12:59 |
| Kamion | gpgv: Signature made Thu Dec 23 02:34:16 2004 GMT using DSA key ID 437D05B5 | 12:59 |
| Kamion | gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found | 12:59 |
| Kamion | E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 40976EAF437D05B5) | 12:59 |
| Kamion | rock | 12:59 |
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| mvo | Kamion: hey, cool! | 01:00 |
| ogra | morning.... merry xmas everybody | 01:00 |
| Kamion | still have to deal with getting the error messages right for gpg missing, gpg produced no useful output, etc., but it basically works | 01:00 |
| mvo | ogra: happy xmas | 01:01 |
| ogra | :) | 01:01 |
| Kamion | aj: this version of debootstrap does signature-checking only if you pass a --keyring=/etc/apt/trusted.gpg (etc.) argument; if you don't give it a keyring it doesn't do validation. Is that OK with you? | 01:01 |
| sivang | mvo,ogra : marry xmas | 01:02 |
| Kamion | I figured that was the least invasive approach considering the wide variety of places where debootstrap is used | 01:02 |
| Kamion | Package: python2.4-minimal | 01:07 |
| Kamion | Conflicts: python2.4 (<= 2.4-2) | 01:07 |
| Kamion | Replaces: python2.4 (<= 2.4-2) | 01:07 |
| Kamion | doesn't that versioned conflicts make the upgrade stupendously painful? | 01:07 |
| === Kamion files a bug | ||
| Kamion | mvo: what happens if a Release file is signed by multiple key ids? (katie's ziyi script supports this, although I don't know if it's used.) At the moment, it looks like a failed signature verification on any one of those signatures will make apt fall over, even if one of the signatures is valid. | 01:26 |
| mvo | Kamion: I need to look at the code, don't know now. it's probably usefull to have more than one signature on the Release file | 01:31 |
| mvo | I'm leaving to visit my family. see you all in a couple of days | 01:48 |
| mvo | bye | 01:48 |
| sivang | does anybody know if we support burning audio cds out of the box? | 01:57 |
| sivang | I mean, from mp3/wav files.. | 02:00 |
| ogra | sivang: nope.....there is no burning app to do that yet | 02:01 |
| sivang | ogra: ok, so just go and install something from universe, there are planty though :) | 02:02 |
| ogra | sivang: no gnome2/gtk2 ones currently....... | 02:03 |
| sivang | ogra: you can always run k3b under gnome :) | 02:03 |
| ogra | sivang: rhythmbox will have burn support in the near future | 02:03 |
| sivang | ogra: upstream is doing that? | 02:03 |
| ogra | yep... i read about it | 02:03 |
| cenerentola | sivang: are you a rebel? | 02:14 |
| cenerentola | yesterday u supported x86, today k3b... | 02:14 |
| sivang | cenerentola: hehehe | 02:14 |
| sivang | cenerentola: not actually, just "use the best tool for the job" | 02:15 |
| sivang | :)) | 02:15 |
| cenerentola | shut up dude... | 02:15 |
| sivang | cenerentola: hey, I dind't say it first, Linus did :) | 02:15 |
| cenerentola | that's why you shouldn't use such pure sentences.. | 02:16 |
| cenerentola | ;) | 02:16 |
| sivang | cenerentola: :) | 02:19 |
| lamont | Kamion: version not bumped in the makefile too... taht should really get automated. | 02:28 |
| Kamion | lamont: aargh | 02:29 |
| Kamion | will fix | 02:29 |
| Kamion | and I remembered it the last time I uploaded l-r-m, too | 02:29 |
| lamont | Kamion: yeah - btw, 'Uploaded' state has been restored to buildLogs/Lists/* | 02:32 |
| lamont | things shouldn't stay 'Uploaded' for > 30 minutes unless they're (a) NEW, or (b) l-r-m and busted. :-) | 02:32 |
| Keybuk | pitti: no, I typo'd :p | 02:36 |
| === lamont reuploads gimp/i386 to get a fresh copy of the reject message. :-( | ||
| Kamion | lamont: should be fixed now, sorry about that | 02:45 |
| lamont | Kamion: np | 02:45 |
| === lamont prepares to deploy per-suite directories (to allow better testing), and then do a mass-giveback of failed/depwait packages | ||
| Kamion | I see I'm not the only one taking advantage of the quietness to fix a pile of infrastructure | 02:48 |
| lamont | heh | 02:57 |
| lamont | yeah - this is also "clean up /etc/fstab" day. | 02:57 |
| lamont | du -sk /org/ubuntu/tree/ | 02:58 |
| lamont | 6121080 /org/ubuntu/tree/ | 02:58 |
| lamont | ouch. and that's just i386/hoary | 02:58 |
| lamont | well and warty-* | 02:58 |
| lamont | and source | 02:58 |
| lamont | dropping warty proper freed up 2.9GB | 02:59 |
| Kamion | I've managed to do about half of the work required for full d-i Release.gpg-checking support today, so I'm quite pleased | 03:00 |
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| Kamion | ... and off to do the last couple of pieces of Christmas shopping now | 03:01 |
| lamont | Kamion: KEWL! | 03:02 |
| sivang | Kamion: merry Xmas :) | 03:21 |
| sivang | lamont: you got presents for the kids? :) | 03:21 |
| cenerentola | Kamion: merry christmas | 03:30 |
| lamont | hrm... I need something to parse perl in python... :-( | 03:42 |
| Treenaks | lamont: hmm... libperl wrapped in python | 03:42 |
| lamont | Treenaks: just trying to find a variable definition in the perl mess for my python code to use... :) | 04:00 |
| Treenaks | lamont: it sounds like a great coding project for 2005-04-01 | 04:01 |
| lamont | Treenaks: I'm just not sure which camp would be more offended: perl or python | 04:06 |
| Treenaks | lamont: exactly | 04:07 |
| === lamont finishes converting one buildd of each architecture to the new world order, thinks he now has a script to do it (modulo being scared of automatically modifying /etc/fstab...) | ||
| === lamont wanders off for a bit | ||
| smurfix | Hmm, parrot is supposed to be able to do that ... eventually. | 04:15 |
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| sid77 | hi | 05:52 |
| Treenaks | hey sid | 05:52 |
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| Kamion | lamont: any joy with that serial console access? | 06:33 |
| lamont | Kamion: been hip deep with other things... give me a couple minutes | 06:39 |
| lamont | 1245 files missing from my ubuntu mirror (with the addition of ia64). sigh. | 06:40 |
| lamont | Kamion: I'll go hook it up now. | 06:40 |
| sid77 | anyone: any news on livecd/ppc? | 06:42 |
| lamont | Kamion: what IP are you coming from? | 06:52 |
| Kamion | lamont: should be 81.153.126.219 | 06:52 |
| lamont | Kamion: email sent, still arguing with the tty stuff though. | 06:55 |
| === lamont gives it one more pass, but then will have to run some errands | ||
| lamont | Kamion: and worst case, I'll wind up moving your login to another machine, which might even have _2_ serial ports to abuse. | 06:58 |
| Kamion | np | 06:59 |
| lamont | Kamion: boot up sequence is to be in minicom after invoking the willy-switch (inside joke), interrupt the auto boot, choose efi-shell, then say: | 07:01 |
| lamont | fs0: | 07:01 |
| lamont | elilo | 07:01 |
| lamont | if you try now, you should get an fs0> prompt when you hit return. | 07:02 |
| lamont | (it wants 'elilo' | 07:02 |
| === Kamion is not having much luck connecting | ||
| lamont | no network plugged in yet | 07:02 |
| lamont | ssh to ia timing out? | 07:02 |
| lamont | oh. yeah. that. | 07:02 |
| lamont | sec | 07:03 |
| Kamion | hasn't actually timed out yet, but is sitting at connect() | 07:03 |
| lamont | doh | 07:03 |
| lamont | ctl-c and do it again | 07:03 |
| Kamion | ah, there it goes | 07:03 |
| lamont | EBADRULE | 07:03 |
| lamont | fwiw, that's the house web proxy, etc | 07:04 |
| lamont | most of your activity from that machine is throttled to about 30kbits, which you're sharing with 2 rsyncs | 07:04 |
| lamont | port 22 traffic is not shaped. | 07:04 |
| Kamion | what do I do after starting minicom? serial console newbie here ... | 07:05 |
| Kamion | ah, never mind, got it | 07:06 |
| Kamion | not much happening after the initrd loads though ... | 07:08 |
| Kamion | oh, DUH, I selected the VGA option. how do I reboot? | 07:09 |
| Kamion | and do arrow keys work, even if I can't see the result? | 07:09 |
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| amu | lamont: ping, katie is too fast for me :) i'm upping a package with 5k the size of the orig.tar.gz is 5mb :) | 10:14 |
| amu | Rejected: kdesdk_3.3.2-1ubuntu1.dsc refers to kdesdk_3.3.2.orig.tar.gz, but I | 10:14 |
| amu | +can't find it in the queue or in the pool. | 10:14 |
| lamont | that's why you upload the orig.tar.gz, then the diff.gz, then the .dsc, then the .changes | 10:21 |
| lamont | or use dput | 10:21 |
| lamont | truthfully, as long as the .changes is last, katie should wait for it. | 10:22 |
| Kamion | amu: you forgot to use -sa | 10:22 |
| lamont | Kamion: well, that would be the other reason | 10:22 |
| lamont | :-) | 10:22 |
| Kamion | there's no kdesdk_3.3.2.orig.tar.gz in the pool, and it only gets automatically included in the .changes if the revision part of the version is -0 or -1 | 10:23 |
| Kamion | you should also probably use -0ubuntu1 rather than -1ubuntu1, I suspect | 10:23 |
| Kamion | so that 3.3.2-1 is considered newer | 10:23 |
| lamont | Kamion: unless he's merging into 3.3.2-1, of course. | 10:24 |
| Kamion | well, there's no 3.3.2-1 in Debian, but I guess it depends | 10:25 |
| amu | hehe yep now upping with dput and -sa ;) | 10:27 |
| amu | oh my god line is too slow now | 10:28 |
| sivang | lamont: I am arguing with my dad, please tell me how much time it takes to travel in a car from Miami to Holywood ? | 10:41 |
| lamont | miami to hollywood... hrm... call it ~3000 miles give or take. | 10:41 |
| sivang | lamont: also, he has just discovered keyhole :) He thinks they are close like the train station to Mataro :) | 10:42 |
| lamont | your average sane person would therefore take about 3 days of solid driving (averaging 50 miles per hour, or 1200 miles per day) If you're willing to just make it 'stop for gas', you could drop that to around 2 days | 10:42 |
| lamont | assuming that you have drivers to switch off. | 10:42 |
| lamont | if you have family with you, plan on at least a week, or no sex after that. | 10:44 |
| sivang | lamont: hehe | 10:45 |
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| wasabi_ | I assume there has been discussion about whether or not to officially support Mono in Hoary? Trying to find some conversations. ;) | 10:47 |
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| mdz | wasabi_: yes, there has | 10:53 |
| wasabi_ | yes, no, maybe so? | 10:53 |
| mdz | the consensus, as I recall, was that "mono" was not a first-class thing which should be supported, but that if there were mono applications we should support, they would pull in the mono stuff | 10:53 |
| mdz | jdub has details | 10:53 |
| wasabi_ | Hmm. Sucky. =( | 10:53 |
| sivang | mdz: I thknk that's the best approach | 10:54 |
| sivang | mdz: this is the state currently right? I do have tomboy running...:) | 10:54 |
| mdz | wasabi_: pardon? | 10:54 |
| wasabi_ | hmm? | 10:54 |
| janc | wasabi_ : just write a first-class thing which they need... ;-) | 10:54 |
| wasabi_ | I think that sucks. | 10:54 |
| wasabi_ | I don't think you're going to get any cool apps written until people stop having to go through hell to install it. ;) | 10:55 |
| wasabi_ | Especially given the less technical aspect of programming useful C# apps. | 10:55 |
| mdz | I'm fairly certain there are already useful applications written, and packaged in universe even | 10:55 |
| mdz | and it's quite likely that we'll decide to support some of them for Hoary | 10:56 |
| wasabi_ | well that's cool then. | 10:56 |
| mdz | so your attitude is doubly unnecessary | 10:56 |
| sivang | wasabi_: what is so good in c# that python don't have? | 10:56 |
| wasabi_ | im not getting into that. | 10:56 |
| mdz | sivang: they're quite different | 10:56 |
| sivang | wasabi_: I would suffice for a link to enlighten me :) | 10:57 |
| wasabi_ | mdz, sorry then... b ut that's a bit how I feel. I sort of see "java support", or ".net support" as something you could support, for hte good of ISVs | 10:57 |
| wasabi_ | But then, im not on your side of the fence, and have no idea. ;) | 10:57 |
| wasabi_ | sivang, what does perl offer over python? | 10:57 |
| === sivang prefer java beans only in coffe :) | ||
| sivang | wasabi_: huh? | 10:58 |
| wasabi_ | it's just as valid of a question as yours was, really. | 10:59 |
| calc | how are the java clones doing? | 11:07 |
| wasabi_ | not too good imo | 11:10 |
| wasabi_ | no way they can keep up | 11:11 |
| calc | yea :\ | 11:11 |
| wasabi_ | not enough interest being generated. | 11:11 |
| calc | mono seems to be doing much better since clr/etc is standardized | 11:11 |
| wasabi_ | yeah. | 11:11 |
| wasabi_ | i might say that it seems like the community is more focused. | 11:11 |
| wasabi_ | I mean, java is very well understood. | 11:11 |
| wasabi_ | I guess it probably has to do a lot with all the people who really need java on linux, just use sun's vm. | 11:12 |
| wasabi_ | ms.net ain't gonna run on linux. ;0 | 11:12 |
| calc | yea | 11:13 |
| wasabi_ | I guess im fine with that. I don't mind. | 11:13 |
| wasabi_ | I wish sun had better redist rights. | 11:13 |
| calc | even if it was redistributable couldn't use it for anything in a dist | 11:13 |
| wasabi_ | very few people actually write linux apps in java. | 11:14 |
| calc | since it would still be stuck in non-free as opposed to not even being in there | 11:14 |
| wasabi_ | they write java apps. | 11:14 |
| wasabi_ | yeah. Well.. we have enough free stuff to write real dist programs with. | 11:14 |
| wasabi_ | GCJ is fine, Classpath is Good Enough. | 11:14 |
| wasabi_ | Java-gnome rounds out the GUI. | 11:14 |
| calc | ok | 11:14 |
| wasabi_ | BUt, the stuff I use it for, it's not adequite for. | 11:15 |
| wasabi_ | ejb, tomcat, etc. | 11:15 |
| wasabi_ | i did the mono remoting example yesterday, and almost died. =( | 11:15 |
| wasabi_ | equivilent of at least 100 lines of java. | 11:15 |
| wasabi_ | in like, 2. | 11:15 |
| ogra | <wasabi_> sivang, what does perl offer over python? | 11:17 |
| ogra | wasabi_: its more mature | 11:17 |
| wasabi_ | ogra, doesn't noticible effect any apps. | 11:17 |
| ogra | wasabi_: you find it in smaller environments where py doesnt fit | 11:17 |
| wasabi_ | noticibly | 11:17 |
| ogra | wasabi_: and i think it currently has the wider list of modules..... | 11:18 |
| calc | perl offers obsfucation too :) | 11:18 |
| ogra | but that will change eventually | 11:18 |
| wasabi_ | ogra, then why are ubuntu apps prefered in python? (read that sompleace) | 11:18 |
| ogra | wasabi_: python is great... i dont say perl is better...but has some advantages.... | 11:19 |
| ogra | as py has :) | 11:19 |
| wasabi_ | well, you just renforce my C# thing. | 11:19 |
| wasabi_ | it's good for some things python isn't, but they can all pretty much get the same jobs done | 11:19 |
| ogra | yep.... you can do it also in C or assembler .... | 11:20 |
| wasabi_ | im a fan of presenting people with the widest array of tools. Differnet tools for different people. | 11:20 |
| wasabi_ | And if all those people develop for your platform, you're better than if only a subset did. | 11:20 |
| ogra | or code it in 1 and 0 if aou are _really_ smart | 11:20 |
| ogra | oh, another one for perl.... loads of debian is perl based as perl was the traditional script lang for years there | 11:21 |
| ogra | even this will change slowly in ubuntu i guess | 11:22 |
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| lamont | mdz: what did we decide on 2113? | 11:44 |
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