[12:00] <pep9> Q: what does an NT sysadmin does in a linux irc channel? A: he learns, and he shuts up
[12:00] <Pozac> Better to acknowledge ones newness than pretend to know it all from the start.
[12:01] <Pozac> For in one form or another, we are all new.
[12:01] <Pozac> (I'll be here all week)
[12:01] <pep9> thanks for your simpathy :P
[12:01] <pep9> ehehehe
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> I'm new at this whole 'being new' game.. I've always known it all
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> what do I do?
[12:01] <pep9> lol
[12:01] <jacobat> HrdwrBoB: Solve P = NP?
[12:01] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: drink until you forget ?
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: excellent!
[12:02] <Fator_Tee> quite controversial(sp?) :-)
[12:02] <ogra> :)
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> heh well I had four christmas work parties
[12:02] <pep9> lol
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> all of them had alchohol
[12:02] <Fator_Tee> they wouldn't be parties without
[12:03] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: but you are in the wrong part of the world, cristmas is supposed to be cold enough to drink hot rum
[12:03] <Pozac> mmm rum
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> no, christmas is hot
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> you drink beer
[12:03] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: which is much better for forgetting ;)
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> and play cricket
[12:03] <ogra> hehe
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> :D
[12:03] <Pozac> lol
[12:03] <Pozac> does santa play too?
[12:04] <Fator_Tee> santa doesn't have free time to play
[12:04] <ogra> he sends rudolph
[12:04] <Pozac> cricket is play?
[12:04] <ogra> kind of ... slow motion play
[12:05] <protocol> brb
[12:07] <izmaelis> joke: Santa flies over Africa, watches at hungry kids in Nigeria and says: "Hmmmm, bad children, if you will not eat than I shall not give you any presents in X-mas."
[12:08] <Pozac> ahem
[12:08] <martin> back
[12:09] <ogra> not a funny one
[12:09] <Pozac> izmaelis, but they will gladly eat?
[12:09] <Pozac> I agree, sorry.
[12:09] <martin_> hmmm
[12:09] <martin_> help. lol
[12:09] <Pozac> same thing?
[12:10] <martin_> my gui is not quite working
[12:10] <martin_> i dont have those bars
[12:10] <martin_> with applications and computer
[12:10] <martin_> and the bar which sits at the bottom of the screen
[12:10] <PDU-X> any good apt source?
[12:10] <Pozac> PDU-X, google for breakmyubuntu !
[12:10] <ogra> PDU-X: archive.ubuntu.com
[12:11] <martin_> er o_O
[12:11] <ogra> martin_: warty or hoary ?
[12:11] <martin_> warty
[12:11] <martin_> i got an error: "I've detected a pannel already running, and will now exit"
[12:11] <ogra> weird....did you migrate your home from a former install ?
[12:11] <martin_> im clicking ok, lets see what happenes..
[12:11] <Pozac> oh
[12:12] <martin_> the error just keeps repeating itself
[12:12] <martin_> nope i didnt..
[12:12] <Pozac> when did gnome-panel become so horrible at hanging around?
[12:12] <ogra> go to a console and kill the running panel....
[12:12] <martin_> how do i do that?
[12:12] <Pozac> martin_, ctrl-alt-f1
[12:12] <Pozac> login, killall -9 gnome-panel
[12:12] <martin_> ok, and how do i kill it?
[12:12] <izmaelis> murda wuz da kase
[12:12] <martin_> ok
[12:12] <ogra> and ctrl-alt-f7 to come back
[12:13] <Pozac> just ctrl-f7
[12:13] <Pozac> ;)
[12:13] <Pozac> alt-f7 sorry
[12:13] <ogra> Pozac: lazy guy
[12:13] <martin_> ah! works :)
[12:13] <Pozac> ogra, Lazy is my true mother :)
[12:13] <martin_> ummm
[12:14] <martin_> guys why do you use gnome if its so horrible?
[12:14] <ogra> Pozac: i know.... wernt you complaining about apt and its brothers and sisters ;)
[12:14] <Pozac> it's wonderful
[12:14] <Pozac> ogra, yes
[12:14] <Pozac> ogra, apt makes my head hurt ;)
[12:14] <martin_> Pozac, arent you contradicting yourself?
[12:14] <ogra> martin_: it normaly isnt, probably it doesnt like you :-P
[12:14] <martin_> :(
[12:14] <Pozac> martin_, no, there's just something wrong with gnome-panel's behavior
[12:15] <Pozac> martin_, it really doesn't usually do that, and gnome is wonderful environment
[12:15] <martin_> oh.
[12:15] <martin_> ok -_-
[12:15] <ogra> Pozac: i havent seen such probs on any inastallation around here
[12:15] <Pozac> which I have followed since 1.0 :)
[12:15] <Pozac> ogra, I'm not sure if it's only when I ctrl-alt-backspace, but I've done that alot lately
[12:16] <Pozac> I used to ctrl-alt-backspace alot
[12:16] <Pozac> I am lazy you know
[12:16] <ogra> Pozac: probably the prob...the session may remain half saved
[12:16] <Pozac> ogra, never had the problem before recently :)
[12:16] <ogra> :)
[12:17] <Pozac> martin_, so does the app work as expected now?
[12:18] <martin_> yes Pozac, thanks :)
[12:18] <martin_> woah, limewire rocks
[12:18] <Pozac> no problem :)
[12:18] <martin_> downloads really fast
[12:19] <martin_> i wonder why? its like 10 times better than kazaa
[12:20] <jeffvos2004> Hello
[12:24] <martin_> Pozac, does the fact that i use a router affects my bittorrent downloads?
[12:24] <Pozac> martin_, Yes it does, forwarding some ports allows you to upload to more people and get a better rating, and download faster :)
[12:26] <Pozac> martin_, you need to forward port 6881-6889 to your machine :)
[12:28] <AMIGrAve> is cdrdao in warty package list ?
[12:29] <Pozac> I think it's only in hoary, AMIGrAve
[12:29] <crimsun> apt-cache policy cdrdao
[12:29] <crimsun> that will tell you
[12:29] <Pozac> oh
[12:30] <Pozac> AMIGrAve, it appears to be in universe
[12:32] <AMIGrAve> crimsun: Candidate: (none)
[12:33] <K-Rich> where can i download hoary from ?
[12:33] <martin_> Pozac, how do i forward those ports?
[12:34] <Pozac> martin_, do you know how to use your routers web interface?
[12:34] <K-Rich> anyone?
[12:34] <theNeonGod> there are at least 20 instances of smbd running on my box right now....... why?
[12:35] <Pozac> AMIGrAve, read this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto#uncommenting-universe
[12:35] <martin_> nope Pozac, i have no idea about anything that has to do with my router
[12:36] <Pozac> martin_, hehe ok then.. what brand is it?
[12:36] <Pozac> and name
[12:37] <K-Rich> can someone tell me where to find hoary ?
[12:37] <Pozac> K-Rich, do you want a new CD or just upgrade?
[12:37] <Pozac> hoary has not been released yet
[12:37] <crimsun> K-Rich: are you _absolutely_ sure you want to dist-upgrade to Hoary?
[12:37] <K-Rich> both actually, nice to just upgrade, but have the iso for backup
[12:37] <Pozac> it is NOT intended for users
[12:37] <martin_> Pozac, CNet CNIG904S
[12:38] <K-Rich> crimsun, need newer apps, we talked last night
[12:38] <crimsun> K-Rich: you _need_ or you _want_?
[12:38] <K-Rich> want...
[12:38] <|QuaD-> K-Rich: you know your hoary will break every other week right?
[12:38] <Pozac> martin_, gee, I dont think I can help you with that, sorry. Try looking in your manual if you have it :)
[12:38] <K-Rich> but still want, put on my dev box anyhow
[12:38] <crimsun> Hoary is _not_ for the faint of heart
[12:38] <Pozac> K-Rich, Can you not just use backports?
[12:39] <crimsun> things break constantly. You are expected to use resources to fix them prior to asking for assistance.
[12:39] <martin_> Pozac, ok
[12:39] <K-Rich> might could, if i can find them, i need gimp 2.2 and want gnome 2.9.x
[12:39] <Kamion> K-Rich: I release alpha-test ISO images of Hoary from time to time; look for "Subject: Array CD 2" (with varying numbers) on ubuntu-users.
[12:40] <AMIGrAve> Pozac: i already have universe and multiverse
[12:40] <martin_> Pozac, how do i find torrents?
[12:40] <K-Rich> my main sstem is Debian SID if that's any condolese
[12:40] <|QuaD->  here is my opinion, we should not be telling people how to upgrade to hoary, because if they were the type of user who should be using it, then they would also know to get the information on how to upgrade
[12:40] <|QuaD-> K-Rich: sid is more stable then this
[12:40] <|QuaD-> i ran it for 3 years, never broke
[12:40] <K-Rich> |QuaD-, lol, i'm just being lazy
[12:40] <|QuaD-> hoary, ran for 2 months, and it breaks a lot
[12:40] <Pozac> AMIGrAve, ok then.. apt-cache policy cdrdao here says:         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[12:40] <Pozac>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[12:41] <crimsun> K-Rich: Hoary does not have GIMP 2.2.
[12:41] <crimsun> K-Rich: Sid only recently got it (this week)
[12:41] <Pozac> martin_, can't help you there
[12:41] <martin_> o_O
[12:41] <martin_> ok...
[12:41] <Pozac> martin_, there are torrents for ubuntu cd's :)
[12:43] <|QuaD-> if bittornado is released before I go on vacation, i plan to run the ubuntu torrents (on my 20 mbit line :)) otherwise :(
[12:44] <Kamion> what's up with bittornado?
[12:44] <Pozac> python
[12:44] <michel_v> hello
[12:44] <Kamion> Pozac: more specifically?
[12:44] <Kamion> ah, I see
[12:44] <Pozac> Kamion, needs <2.4 but 2.4.0ubuntu will be installed
[12:44] <michel_v> I just got my hoary up to date, and now nvidia kernel module and X module versions are out of synch
[12:45] <crimsun> Kamion: I suppose 0.3.8-1 from Sid needs to be compiled with Hoary's python2.4
[12:45] <Quest-Master> Azureus = best IMO
[12:45] <michel_v> what is the problem, and is there a command to run to just fix that?
[12:45] <Kamion> ok, that can be fixed
[12:45] <michel_v> (I suck at apt-get)
[12:45] <K-Rich> crimsun, must have got it the last two days (SID) ... i've been out of town so
[12:45] <|QuaD-> Kamion: you are fixing bittornado?
[12:45] <Kamion> yeah, might as well
[12:46] <|QuaD-> Kamion: you are the greatest!
[12:46] <|QuaD-> been waiting for like a week!
[12:46] <crimsun> see? that's called 0 response time.
[12:46] <Kamion> is there a bug open about it?
[12:46] <|QuaD-> crimsun: the developers love us here
[12:46] <|QuaD-> Kamion: nope... i didn't think of it as a bug
[12:47] <|QuaD-> Kamion: should i be filing bug reports for things like this?
[12:47] <Kamion> well, it's awkward for universe, since that isn't supported
[12:47] <Kamion> and bittornado is universe ...
[12:47] <|QuaD-> right... thats why i didn't... i didn't know what to do other than wait
[12:48] <Kamion> if the bugs came with patches then we wouldn't mind :)
[12:48] <|QuaD-> haha
[12:48] <AMIGrAve> Pozac: i have same problem with other packages i would like to install, i think my source.list is correct, (i apt-get update) but i have missing apps
[12:48] <AMIGrAve> Pozac: can you have a look at my source.list in #flood ?
[12:49] <ogra> Pozac: go on, learn to fix mono.....the community will love you for this ;)
[12:49] <Pozac> AMIGrAve, go for it
[12:49] <Pozac> I have no idea whats wrong with it
[12:50] <theNeonGod> thare are endless amounts of 'panic-a <defunct>' followed by 'smbd' operations running when i view top. anyone have any clue as to what/why this is, and how should i get rid of it (puter's being sluggish... i'm guessing this is part of it)
[12:50] <Pozac> is it just packaging?
[12:50] <gloin> hrm
[12:50] <|QuaD-> Pozac: i am guessing mono is a bit more difficult
[12:50] <gloin> can't install KDE on hoary right now =[
[12:50] <Pozac> |QuaD-, yeh..
[12:50] <gloin> kpaint is missing of all things
[12:50] <gloin> bloody
[12:50] <AMIGrAve> Pozac: i pasted
[12:50] <|QuaD-> how soon after sid gets packages does hoary?
[12:51] <Riddell> gloin: apt-get install kde-core  (then other things as needed)
[12:51] <ogra> AMIGrAve: looks ok
[12:51] <gloin> thx Riddell
[12:51] <Kamion> |QuaD-: if the package hasn't been changed in Ubuntu, within a day or so
[12:51] <Pozac> AMIGrAve, hmm.. seems ok
[12:51] <Kamion> |QuaD-: if the package has been changed, whenever a developer gets round to doing the merge
[12:52] <AMIGrAve> Pozac: should i do an apt-get upgrade instead of update ?
[12:52] <|QuaD-> hasn't been changed?
[12:54] <Pozac> AMIGrAve, no, the upgrade downloads and installs the updates
[12:54] <crimsun> Kamion: I suppose you could do something akin to #3426, syncing from Debian
[12:54] <|QuaD-> so if hoary gets things after sid, why does hoary break more often?
[12:54] <thenuke> because newest is not the best
[12:54] <Kamion> crimsun: hm?
[12:54] <Kamion> |QuaD-: we do stuff in hoary too ...
[12:55] <crimsun> Kamion: that'd be an excuse for updating 'bittornado' in hoary/universe
[12:55] <crimsun> Kamion: ;)
[12:55] <Kamion> crimsun: I don't understand. That bug's fixed; the changes in Ubuntu were superseded by changes in Debian.
[12:55] <|QuaD-> Kamion: :)
[12:55] <crimsun> Kamion: sorry, you misunderstood me (and I was unclear)
[12:55] <Kamion> crimsun: (note that that bug's assigned to me ...)
[12:56] <AMIGrAve> Pozac: got the same problem with rar, flashplayer-mozilla, and some other packages that I don't see, but I saw the difference when I added universe, I have more package since
[12:56] <|QuaD-> Kamion: so how long until i should apt-get install bittornado
[12:56] <crimsun> Kamion: in any case, it's not an issue; the version in sid is newer than in hoary/universe, so one could use that as rationale to update
[12:56] <Kamion> crimsun: uh ... no it's not?
[12:56] <Kamion> bittornado |    0.3.8-1 |      unstable | source, all
[12:56] <Kamion> bittornado |    0.3.8-1 | hoary/universe | source
[12:57] <Kamion> 0.3.8-1 in hoary/universe just failed to build from source, that's all ...
[12:57] <Kamion> I'm fixing that at the same time
[12:57] <crimsun> ah, ok.
[12:57] <crimsun> policy reported 0.3.7-4, which was explained by the FTB
[12:57] <pep9> damn
[12:57] <crimsun> no biggie, thanks for explaining
[12:57] <Haukkari> Is it possible to downgrade to warty from hoary?
[12:57] <Kamion> crimsun: right
[12:57] <Kamion> |QuaD-: test-building now
[12:58] <pep9> 30 sec to load a site that i load in 2 sec with windoze
[12:58] <|QuaD-> Kamion: :)
[12:58] <pep9> just checked dns again
[12:59] <AMIGrAve> what's the best gnome burning app front-end ?
[12:59] <kevin> for cd?
[12:59] <kevin> I like xcdroast
[01:00] <Kamion> |QuaD-: fixed source uploaded, give it about two hours
[01:00] <ChrisC_> I've got a question about the root/sudo password ...
[01:00] <Pozac> I like nautilus-cd-burner .. just select CD-burner from the Places-menu in a nautilus window
[01:00] <|QuaD-> Kamion: nice :) thanks... you are the best
[01:01] <pep9> well
[01:01] <pep9> bya all
[01:01] <pep9> thanks
[01:01] <Pozac> bye pep9
[01:01] <AMIGrAve> kevin: cd, yes
[01:01] <pep9> thanks for the info
[01:01] <ChrisC_> If I'm logged in under my regular user account (chris), and I try to do something at the system level, it asks me for a password, which I'd expect would be the root password, but always MY OWN password does the trick.  Huh?
[01:01] <kevin> well I like xcdroast and k3b
[01:01] <ChrisC_> "at the system level" = user admin etc.
[01:01] <kevin> arson is nice too
[01:02] <|Snegec|> Okies.. newb here.. now that i've mounted my windows fat32 partition, how do I access files on it?
[01:02] <Pozac> Any pointers to what's exactly wrong with mono? seems like circular dependency between mono-assemblies-base and mono-jit ??
[01:02] <st3v3n> gksudo takes my user's password, and not the root password, anyone know why, or how i can change it to take only the root password?
[01:02] <|QuaD-> ChrisC_: are you using gui or cli utilities
[01:02] <kevin> ChrisC, I found the same thing works for me
[01:03] <Nominus> hi, how should i set /etc/network/interfaces for wirless network with WEP and hidden essid? man interfaces keeps silence about this options.
[01:03] <ChrisC_> |quad: GUI for sure, CLI does it too I think, lemmee check
[01:03] <Nominus> *wireless
[01:03] <Pozac> ChrisC_, Everything is logged :)
[01:03] <ChrisC_> well, it's hard to check because it seems to retain the password for 5 minutes (i.e. no prompt)
[01:04] <ChrisC_> Pozac: I don't understand
[01:04] <|QuaD-> ChrisC_: never use gui utilities that require root access.... though,if you do sudo *command* it will require your user pass
[01:04] <|QuaD-> if you set it up to use root
[01:04] <|QuaD-> then you use su and give your root password
[01:04] <crimsun> Pozac: mcs just needs to be built on hoary
[01:04] <crimsun> Pozac: using mono from hoary/universe
[01:04] <Pozac> ChrisC_, read this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:05] <ChrisC_> Hmmm, OK, I did a "sudo ls" just to test it, expecting root password to work, but in fact my user password worked.  Now how does the line up with what you were saying?
[01:05] <kevin> by the way, does anyone know how to update the apt repository
[01:05] <kevin> I forget
[01:05] <ChrisC_> Pozac: OK, will read, brb
[01:05] <Pozac> crimsun, ok.. so I'll be changing some deps, posting a patch?
[01:05] <|QuaD-> ChrisC_: it is exactly what i said
[01:06] <crimsun> Pozac: construct a hoary chroot using debootstrap, then build mcs from source.
[01:06] <crimsun> Pozac: that's essentially it
[01:06] <rwabel> pozac: I achieved to install mono on hoary
[01:06] <crimsun> Pozac: of course you'll want to make sure you have the most current binary-available version of debootstrap
[01:07] <kevin> aptconfig
[01:07] <rwabel> pozac: it was a matter of fiddeling between hoary and sid :-)
[01:07] <crimsun> Pozac: (0.2.45ubuntu15 here)
[01:08] <ChrisC_> OK, here's my problem.  I want "root/system level things" like user admin and network services and the like to require a different password than my user account, just like in every other *nix system I've ever used.  But with everything I've tried to admin in Ubuntu, my personal USER password seems tobe what is needed.  That's not protection.  I'm sure I'm just messed up ...
[01:08] <kebac> i installed freebsd... i like it a lot! do you think ubuntu could offer me more?
[01:09] <rwabel> does anyone know what the hell galaxy is?
[01:09] <rwabel>  2145 rwabel    25  10  3716 2064 2836 R 60.8  0.2   3:16.40 galaxy
[01:09] <Pozac> ok, guess I'll be debootstrapping for a while then?
[01:09] <riley_> how would I change the color of the text for the launchers on my desktop?
[01:11] <ogra> kebac: more then 14000 softwarepackages to install ?
[01:11] <Triple5> how can I get the sysinfo script for xchat on ubuntu?
[01:12] <kebac> ogra: i think... if i could get Counter-Strike Source working with ubuntu without any headache, i would consider using ubuntu :)
[01:12] <javalon> hi
[01:12] <ogra> kebac: do you get it working with bsd ? i think linux is more likely
[01:12] <esher> Triple5, use "xlack" xchat script
[01:12] <kebac> ogra: i installed it today.. i hav'nt had time to try counter strike yet
[01:12] <esher> this works
[01:13] <mp_> Pozac, Kamion no joy here .. keep getting hdc lost interrupt, or bootfailures (disabled ACPI, pic=usepirqmask, 4 diff. kernels etc. etc.)
[01:13] <Triple5> ty esher let me try
[01:13] <Triple5> esher, how I get it anyways?
[01:13] <ogra> kebac: btw, how is the binary support for the gamer graphics cards (ati/nvidia) in bsd
[01:13] <Pozac> mp_, hmmm
[01:14] <mp_> Pozac, this is a 2.6.x issue, i think.. also in FC3
[01:14] <javalon> i'm configuring ubuntu in a Acer Aspire 1353XC, but i have a litle problem with the touchpad. How can i configure, please?
[01:14] <mp_> but not in FC1
[01:14] <kebac> ogra: i have an ati card (9800 non-pro). i have not yet tried any drivers for my card, but i have heard that the drivers suck...
[01:14] <esher> 1mom
[01:14] <ChrisC_> Ok, I'll give up on understanding the root/security model :)    next question ...
[01:15] <kebac> ogra: i have heard that the drivers suck for both BSD and linux
[01:15] <ChrisC_> Anyone have the SETI cruncher working in a screensaver configuration? (i.e. doesn't run until screensaver kicks in)
[01:15] <kevin> the apt repository is rather tiny for ubuntu eh?
[01:15] <esher> http://shelenya.putopunto.com/xlack/ - many options, also deactivate color-code ;)
[01:15] <ogra> kebac: not on ubuntu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:16] <Kamion> rwabel: my guess is xscreensaver
[01:16] <Kamion> galaxy is one of its savers
[01:16] <Gaz> Hey guys, I'm having a little trouble installing Ubuntu on x86. Seems to crap out when trying to install Python2.3-opengl. Any ideas?
[01:16] <ogra> kevin: are 14000 pkgs not enough ?
[01:16] <alka_trash> hey all
[01:17] <kevin> I've only had it set up for 10 minutes, do you have to update your repositories after installing ubuntu?
[01:17] <Pozac> kevin, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto#uncommenting-universe
[01:17] <rwabel> Kamion: ah that''s a good idea. you was right. damn this took too much CPU. thanks for the info
[01:18] <xevil> kevin yes... edit your /etc/apt/souces.list
[01:18] <kevin> thanx pozac, I think thats what I'm looking for
[01:18] <kevin> just switched from Mandrake 10
[01:18] <ChrisC_> Pozac's way is easier for the newbie
[01:19] <kevin> newbie is the key word here
[01:19] <Kamion> |QuaD-: bittornado should be available in about 20 minutes
[01:19] <ChrisC_> One more time: anyone have the SETI cruncher working in a screensaver configuration? (i.e. doesn't run until screensaver kicks in)
[01:19] <st3v3n> mmm... ubuntu is the sh*t
[01:19] <|QuaD-> Kamion: yay
[01:20] <Kamion> |QuaD-: you get to test it though, I've only test-*built* it
[01:20] <ogra> ChrisC_: seems not....
[01:20] <|QuaD-> test-*built*?
[01:20] <ChrisC_> yeah :/
[01:20] <|QuaD-> i am actually leaving the computer for like 4 hours... i will be back to let you know how it works thouhg :)
[01:20] <|QuaD-> Kamion: what do you mean by test-*built*
[01:21] <Kamion> I built the source package and looked at it to see if it looked about right
[01:22] <|QuaD-> haha... ok
[01:22] <|QuaD-> i am going now... i will let you know how it is
[01:22] <|QuaD-> want me to pm you later?
[01:22] <Kamion> no, I'll be asleep
[01:22] <Kamion> file a bug if it breaks
[01:22] <|QuaD-> heh... ok :)
[01:22] <|QuaD-> ttyl
[01:22] <|QuaD-> thanks again!
[01:23] <|QuaD-> bye!
[01:27] <ChrisC_> I'm trying to get DOSEMU working, but can't find the "QuickStart Guide" that apparently will solve all my problems
[01:28] <Pozac> ChrisC_ ?
[01:28] <Pozac> whats the problem?
[01:29] <ChrisC_> I was previously trying to work from this document http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/dosemu.html but the author has a very negative attitude to Debian packaging so I'm thinking there must be a better way
[01:30] <gloin> hey, back again =] 
[01:30] <gloin> I'm having trouble with hoary not loading glx - I followed the binary driver howto to the letter for my nvidia card, but glxgears barfs with "No GLX module" error
[01:30] <gloin> what's up?
[01:31] <fsmw> hi!
[01:31] <Pozac> ChrisC_, Ehh.. ubuntu is way easier than what that guy is talking about :)
[01:31] <gloin> lol
[01:31] <fsmw> i can't configure my soundcard
[01:31] <Pozac> ChrisC_, just install dosemu and dosemu-freedos
[01:31] <fsmw> on my laptop
[01:32] <gloin> ubuntu is really easy unless you're a masochist like me and want to try everything new and exciting and untested
[01:32] <gloin> so anyone know how to fix the non-loading GLX problem?
[01:32] <gloin> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:32] <gloin> only there's a load section in xorg.conf, etc
[01:32] <gloin> and the nvidia splash screen comes up correctly
[01:33] <Pozac> gloin, examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:33] <ChrisC_> Pozac: OK, but when I "try to run (as a normal user) xdosemu" per the URL mentioned, I get nothing; what else can I do to test it?
[01:33] <Pozac> Do nvidia officially support Xorg?
[01:33] <Pozac> ChrisC_, dosemu ?
[01:34] <gloin> Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri
[01:34] <gloin> .a is unresolved!
[01:34] <gloin> hrm
[01:34] <Pozac> ChrisC_, you may also need the xfonts-dosemu package
[01:34] <gloin> googletime
[01:35] <ChrisC_> OK, I ran 'dosemu' and it appeared that it was going to run ("in this terminal") but then I went back to what appears to be a regular shell prompt.
[01:35] <Pozac> did you install freedos?
[01:35] <ChrisC_> xfonts-dosemu is installed
[01:35] <ChrisC_> yes
[01:35] <Pozac> hmm
[01:36] <gloin> Pozac: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=36370  =]  =] 
[01:36] <gloin> looks like a bug, but easily fixable
[01:36] <Pozac> It asked me something about the licensing
[01:36] <Kamion> I think Daniel meant {a,so} rather than {so,a} there, maybe
[01:36] <Triple5> can anyone send me a direct link to the warty to hoary faq? please :)
[01:37] <daniels> Kamion: it was me not realising the nvidia drivers odes interesting things, will fix it later
[01:37] <mp_> boot fails at "enterprise volume management system", then hangs, but sends every minute this: hdc: cdrom_pc_intr: the drive appears confused (ireason=0x01)
[01:37] <Kamion> daniels: yeah, I mean in the workaround linked to by gloin, though
[01:38] <daniels> Kamion: oh, right.  yeah.
[01:41] <imka> hey
[01:42] <Pozac> Merry christmas, imka .. if you're into that :)
[01:43] <imka> i've heard that santa is bringing me a sb auigy 2. so i won't need my onboard sound device. what's the way to go? disable it in the bios or playing with the jumper?
[01:43] <Pozac> bios should be fine
[01:43] <imka> Prozac merry christmas
[01:43] <imka> cool.
[01:44] <imka> i can't wait to hear the card.i'm at home now, and my pc is where i study. arrgghhhhhh
[01:44] <Pozac> damn
[01:44] <Pozac> should have brought the pc home
[01:44] <Pozac> :)
[01:44] <imka> im using my oldskool 233mhz 64mb ram laptop running slackware at the moment
[01:45] <Pozac> ouch
[01:45] <Kamion> daniels: merry Christmas, enjoy
[01:45] <Pozac> 233 is not enough, dude
[01:45] <imka> Pozac, you can do that. just set "only one screensaver"
[01:45] <Pozac> imka, yeah yeah.. I want everyone have it default
[01:45] <imka> Pozac, not enough for what? :)
[01:45] <Pozac> it's wicked cool
[01:45] <imka> yea it is
[01:46] <Pozac> imka, so you're using fluxbox or xfce or something?
[01:46] <imka> icewm
[01:46] <daniels> Kamion: cheers dude, you too :) hopefully effecective radio silence until the 3rd -- xorg sprint + mataro + fd.o compromise has kinda taken it out of me, and catching up with people is always nice ;)
[01:47] <imka> mozilla runs ok once it's loaded. other than that, no heavy apps. xmms, abiword, xchat...
[01:48] <Kamion> daniels: looks like I'm mostly out of leave, so I'll be around between Christmas and New Year, but expect to be mostly lurking in corners and getting on with isolated projects ...
[01:48] <Pozac> imka, no firefox?
[01:48] <imka> no
[01:49] <daniels> Kamion: ah, right.  wanna fix the x.org problem? ;)
[01:49] <etorix> its only a symlink or so
[01:50] <Pozac> imka, check out skipstone
[01:51] <Pozac> for a very light, gecko based browser
[01:51] <daniels> etorix: well, yeah, bit fixing the real problem would be nice.  i have a fix locally, just don't want to make a new upload right now.  devil you know, and all that.
[01:51] <etorix> what the local fix?
[01:52] <daniels> adding lib%s.so and %s_drv.so back to the search path, but as lower priorities
[01:52] <etorix> Removing nvidia-glx ...
[01:52] <etorix> dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to
[01:52] <etorix>   when removing `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/X11R6/lib32/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx'
[01:52] <etorix>   found `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/X11R6/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx'
[01:52] <etorix> dpkg: error processing nvidia-glx (--remove):
[01:53] <Kamion> daniels: without an nvidia it's a bit nerve-wracking ...
[01:53] <zenwhen> Switching to Linux switched me from ATi in a hurry.
[01:54] <etorix> heh
[01:55] <etorix> i have nvidia working fine on my debootstrapped debian-amd64 .. using locally compiled xorgx64 debs
[01:55] <Pozac> Does anyone know how much it would take to put a nice background picture on the initial Xorg load screen in hoary?
[01:55] <zenwhen> They aren't a bad company, but if they won't properly support my platform, my dollar won't support them.
[01:55] <Pozac> is there somewhere I can insert a xsetroot command?
[01:56] <imka> i've just installed a geforce fx ultra 5700 on my gonnabefatherinlaws pc and it's working really nice in warty
[01:56] <etorix> ati are sposed to be working on it
[01:56] <imka> (cedega)
[01:56] <etorix> yeah hoary is the problem
[01:56] <zenwhen> etorix, they have been claiming that for two years.
[01:56] <Pozac> they DID make a driver though
[01:56] <zenwhen> a horrible one
[01:56] <Pozac> it's just getting sorta old and in need of replacement
[01:57] <Pozac> it worked in the beginning
[01:57] <zenwhen> with lacking performance and horrible dual head support
[01:57] <Pozac> true
[01:57] <Kamion> etorix: I think I see that diversion bug, I'll fix it
[01:58] <etorix> cool
[01:58] <Quest-Master> ATI doesn't properly support Ubuntu? :o
[01:59] <etorix> ati -xorg is the no-no
[01:59] <Quest-Master> ah
[02:00] <Pozac> Which commandline tool can I use to set the X root to a .jpg?
[02:00] <Pozac> xsetroot seems to want a bitmap
[02:05] <Kamion> etorix: fixed
[02:05] <Se7h> one question
[02:05] <Se7h> on gnomemeeting
[02:05] <Se7h> is there some kind of "workgroup" ?
[02:05] <Se7h> to able to talk to others?
[02:05] <JDahl> Is there a webbased overview of packages in Hoary similar to Debian's http://packages.debian.org?
[02:06] <javalon> hi
[02:07] <javalon> i have a acer aspire with a touchpad. Ubuntu configure it at install, but the posibility of do click with the touchscreen is available. I don't like this. I want can do click *only* with the buttons.
[02:08] <javalon> How can i do this, please? I don't see nothing in the net.
[02:08] <Pozac> ahh... qiv
[02:09] <javalon> qiv?
[02:10] <Pozac> javalon, not related to your question, sorry..
[02:11] <javalon> no problem, thanks ;)
[02:11] <Pozac> javalon, but it sets my x background to a jpg from commandline :)
[02:13] <Pozac> javalon, can it scroll?
[02:14] <javalon> yes
[02:14] <javalon> only don't want can click with the touchpad... the rest is correctly
[02:14] <Pozac> ok ok
[02:15] <Pozac> just wanted to make sure that the right driver was being used and all :) it should be possible
[02:15] <javalon> synaptics
[02:15] <Pozac> javalon, sudo apt-get install tpconfig
[02:15] <Pozac> maybe
[02:16] <javalon> yes, i have
[02:16] <Pozac> ok
[02:16] <javalon> i put in 0
[02:16] <javalon> but not rule
[02:16] <javalon> :(
[02:16] <Pozac> how about the output of lsmod |grep evdev
[02:17] <javalon> one second
[02:17] <javalon> 9088 l
[02:18] <Pozac> javalon, did you do 'sudo tpconfig -t 0' ?
[02:19] <javalon> umm, no, i edit /etc/tpconfig
[02:19] <javalon> but... i probe now xD
[02:19] <Pozac> ok :)
[02:20] <Pozac> javalon, man tpconfig
[02:20] <carajean> hello room
[02:21] <kingsley> What's the most user friendly application for watching movies on DVDs?
[02:22] <rcouto> hi all
[02:22] <javalon> fatal:
[02:22] <javalon> No Synaptics or ALPS touchpad device found
[02:22] <javalon> ouch!
[02:22] <imka> kingsley totem-xine. make sure you have libdvdcss from c. marillat's source
[02:22] <rcouto> does anybody knows if ubuntu plans to add support to autopackage, once it reaches 1.0?
[02:24] <kingsley> imka: What do you think of mplayer?
[02:24] <carajean> does anyone wanna help a newb out
[02:24] <carajean> ??
[02:26] <kebac> carajean: what's your problem
[02:27] <ogra> carajean: we dont know, if you dont ask :)
[02:27] <ogra> rcouto: what is autopackage ?
[02:27] <Se7h> sorry
[02:28] <rcouto> ogra, it is supposed to be a layer over package management apps, like apt or rpm
[02:28] <rcouto> that would be independent of distribution
[02:29] <rcouto> and have some pretty sweet long term goals
[02:29] <rcouto> check it: http://autopackage.org/ui-vision.html
[02:29] <carajean> um i am so new to linux its not funny i just installed it today and need so help installin java and just installing other programs
[02:30] <ogra> rcouto: i dont think so, but launchpad (another company project of canonical) has a similar approach for the automated creation of packages from source https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/
[02:31] <carajean> but i dont know where to go to access the files i download to install them
[02:32] <ogra> carajean: grab the java package from there: http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu#Java_1.5
[02:32] <theNeonGod> can't get gruler to compile in ubuntu... installed build-essential. error:
[02:32] <theNeonGod> .././mkinstalldirs: .././mkinstalldirs: No such file or directory
[02:32] <theNeonGod> make[1] : *** [install-data-yes]  Error 127
[02:32] <rcouto> ogra, the thing that got my attention about autopackage is the potential use cases that it have
[02:33] <ogra> carajean: move it to your homefolder, then open a terminal and type: sudo dpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[02:33] <rcouto> i specially liked the drag a .desktop (with extra package meta info) from a web page to the gnome panel to install an app :)
[02:34] <ogra> rcouto: there is something similar in hoary soon....
[02:34] <rcouto> !!!!
[02:34] <rcouto> i am looking forward to it then! :)
[02:35] <carajean> ok how do i move it to my home folder??? and where is it originally stored??
[02:35] <ogra> rcouto: but with some more control from the package managerr, no drag n drop from websites though
[02:35] <kingsley> imka: Typing "totem-xine /dev/dvd" says "There is no plugin to handle this movie." Suggestion(s)?
[02:35] <ogra> carajean: it should appear on your desktop after download
[02:35] <carajean> oh ok
[02:36] <ogra> carajean: your homefolder is the first item in the computer menu
[02:37] <carajean> ok is it a drag and drop type move???
[02:37] <rcouto> ogra, is it possible for us mortals to help with this rosetta project? i can help a bit with portuguese translations
[02:37] <ogra> carajean: before you install the package make sure multiverse is enabled in synaptic
[02:37] <rcouto> :)
[02:38] <ogra> carajean: yep
[02:38] <ogra> rcouto: sure, everyone can help
[02:39] <ogra> rcouto: there will also be other programs in the launchpad...really great stuff, a version control system that cares for your sourcecode and creates packages for all distros automatically
[02:40] <ogra> rcouto: an really easy to use bugtracking system .... etc
[02:40] <rcouto> o_o
[02:41] <ogra> rcouto: malone, soyuz and bazaar ....
[02:41] <rcouto> ogra, i couldn't find a way to register there... is it already accepting contributors?
[02:42] <ogra> rcouto: i think so... never tried though
[02:42] <carajean> ok where in in synaptic is multiverse
[02:43] <ogra> rcouto: just log in.....
[02:43] <Kamion> bazaar and rosetta are the only public launchpad projects as yet
[02:43] <Kamion> bazaar is kind of loosely connected
[02:44] <rcouto> it is popping me a basic http login dialog
[02:44] <ogra> carajean: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543
[02:44] <Kamion> there was an announcement about rosetta sent to ubuntu-announce, see that
[02:44] <rcouto> thx
[02:44] <Kamion> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-December/000007.html
[02:45] <Kamion> still early days :)
[02:46] <ChrisC_> hey, stupid question:  how do I enable ftpd (ftp file serving) on Ubuntu?
[02:46] <rcouto> ooh... it's the same login to order the cds...
[02:47] <ogra> ChrisC_: install a ftp server (any ...ftpd)
[02:48] <ChrisC_> so none are builtin, not even a barebones ftpd, I need to pick and install one?
[02:48] <ogra> ChrisC_: yep.... thats for security reasons....
[02:49] <calc> is there anything you have to do to make gnome 2.9.3 not make the items in the taskbar really small?
[02:49] <dudio> fsck, rosetta is borked today as well...
[02:49] <calc> they used to be bigger
[02:50] <dudio> or it might just be this translation thats borked...
[02:50] <calc> now they just show the icon and one letter
[02:50] <dudio> its weird, on warty gnome showed longer taskbar entries with more text for me
[02:50] <dudio> in hoary its just like calc said
[02:51] <calc> it also added grouping which is fine
[02:51] <calc> like kde and winxp have
[02:51] <Seq> calc: right click on the task applet, and increase the minimal size
[02:51] <carajean> ok i downloaded the file but dont see it in desktop but i do see another java file i downloaded but its a bin but it is in the home folder will it work the same
[02:51] <ogra> dudio, calc: look in bugzilla.... if there is not already one, file one :I
[02:51] <Seq> calc: im not sure why the display behaviour changed either
[02:51] <ogra> :)
[02:52] <calc> Seq: the minimal size adjusts the size of the taskbar itself not the items in it
[02:52] <dudio> im really not fond of grouping myself...
[02:52] <ogra> carajean: i dont know what you downloaded before....
[02:52] <Seq> calc it should adjust the size of the items in it too when you start setting the size big enough
[02:52] <calc> er well i don't really want a huge taskbar, just items being a bit wider
[02:52] <calc> like eg 2.9.2
[02:53] <dudio> i figure its hoary specific
[02:53] <erich> Anyone here running hoary with an ATI mobility? Can you run "glxgears"?
[02:53] <Seq> yeah, and im not sure why the behaviour changed. right now i set the minimum size to the full size of the panel, and it just keeps dividing it as neccessary
[02:53] <Seq> erich: i am
[02:53] <mojo> Can someone tell me what's wrong with nvidia driver in the latest Hoary??
[02:54] <erich> because i can run for example the "skyrocket" screensaver accelerated, but glxgears locks up my system
[02:54] <mojo> I can't run glxgears
[02:54] <calc> Seq: huh? the size adjust is how big vertically to use for the taskbar
[02:54] <calc> so you make the taskbar the fullsize of your screen?
[02:54] <carajean> um jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[02:54] <mojo> It all the times said fail RGB display 0:0 blah blah...
[02:54] <ogra> carajean: you need the file from the page i gave you, this is built for ubuntu
[02:54] <dudio> im so not used to having a decent graphics card heh
[02:54] <erich> mojo: can you run other opengl apps?
[02:54] <carajean> ok i will try and find it
[02:54] <crimsun> mojo: nothing's wrong with the nvidia driver.
[02:54] <dudio> my dear old voodoo3 used to score 3-10fps on glxgears :D
[02:55] <ogra>  carajean: the name is sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[02:55] <erich> mojo: try /usr/lib/xscreensaver/skyrocket - odes that work?
[02:55] <dudio> now im getting 60fps on maximized size
[02:55] <mojo> crimsun: I can't run glxgears any more
[02:55] <crimsun> mojo: sudo ln -sf /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so.1.0.6629 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a
[02:55] <dudio> which is great compared
[02:55] <Seq> erich: apparently i can't run glxgears
[02:55] <Seq> erich: it seems to have frozen xorg on me
[02:56] <mojo> crimsun: Still, here what I got
[02:56] <mojo> root@ubuntu:/home/mojo # glxgears
[02:56] <mojo> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:56] <mojo> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[02:56] <crimsun> mojo: did you restart X Windows?
[02:56] <erich> Seq: but you are running pure hoary? because i'm running mostly debian unstable, so i don't want to file a bug.
[02:56] <mojo> yes
[02:56] <Seq> erich: yeah
[02:56] <crimsun> mojo: there's a bug for it on bugzilla; did you check there?
[02:56] <mojo> crimsun: are u sure nvidia solved in the latest release?
[02:57] <mojo> crimsun: yes, i did, no such of my bugs
[02:57] <erich> crimsun: can you still run glxgears with xorg and nvidia? because it doesn't work with ati
[02:57] <dudio> which reminds me, need to post a comment on a bug *_*
[02:57] <erich> xscreensavers i tested work, scorched3d works here, but not glxgears which locks up my box.
[02:58] <crimsun> erich: not with .8, no
[02:59] <Seq> thats bizarre. i'll have to try an opengl app to try that out
[02:59] <mp_> ermm, installer cannot get DHCP unless FLOPPY module is loaded?!? huh?? how come?
[03:00] <erich> crimsun: what happens with nvidia, does it lock up xorg as well?
[03:00] <crimsun> nope, just sigsegv glxgears
[03:00] <erich> daniels: glxgears locks up xorg on ati, segfaults on nvidia apparently.
[03:03] <ogra> erich: he is on holiday
[03:03] <dudio> hey, has anyone else experienced this bug? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4910#c4
[03:03] <dudio> if anyone else has, it isnt user-specific
[03:03] <carajean> for some reason it is still not in the desktop folder nothing is in there
[03:04] <dudio> carajean, what isnt on the desktop?
[03:04] <ogra> carajean: did it probably download to your home folder ?
[03:04] <carajean> finally yes it did after the third download
[03:05] <ogra> carajean: ok, did you enable multiverse ?
[03:07] <carajean> yeah just like u said and i got an error somethin about dependency problems
[03:07] <carajean>  dependency problems prevent configuration of sun-j2sdk1.5:
[03:07] <carajean>  sun-j2sdk1.5 depends on sun-j2sdk1.5debian; however:
[03:07] <carajean>   Package sun-j2sdk1.5debian is not installed.
[03:07] <ogra> carajean: now run: sudo apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5debian
[03:07] <carajean> oh ok
[03:08] <ogra> carajean: this should sort the errors.... and set up your environment for java and the browserplugin as well
[03:09] <carajean> cool thanks a lot ogra
[03:10] <ogra> carajean: you may also want to setup the universe repo, it has a lot of software: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[03:14] <killfill_> hey, how do i use xcompmgr?.. i just got it installed...
[03:14] <killfill_> how do i enable transparency and the shadows?.l.
[03:14] <ogra> killfill_: run it from a terminal
[03:15] <killfill_> yup.. got it running..
[03:15] <ogra> killfill_: i am sure you dont want it permanently
[03:15] <killfill_> but know what?..
[03:15] <ogra> yep
[03:15] <killfill_> does it slow thing down?..
[03:15] <ogra> _it_ is slow
[03:15] <killfill_> ok..
[03:15] <ogra> this wont change in the near future
[03:16] <killfill_> maybe i need support on the window manager?
[03:16] <carajean> ogra do i have to lug that in to mozilla
[03:16] <carajean> ??
[03:16] <ogra> carajean: are you using xchat ? just right click it then
[03:17] <killfill_> ogra, how do i make things transparent?....
[03:17] <killfill_> (i know has nothing to do with ubunto.. byt anyway.. 8)
[03:17] <carajean> i dont think im using xchat and how do i enable xchat so i can take the simple way
[03:17] <ogra> killfill_: with transset....which is in a similar state i think (didnt try it since weeks)
[03:18] <killfill_> transset?.. hm.
[03:18] <ogra> carajean: its the chat program from applications->internet (last point)
[03:18] <dudio> xchat is already in your applications menu carajean
[03:18] <dudio> yeah heh
[03:18] <carajean> oh yeah im going to hopefully install lime wire and cedega would u recommend somehting else
[03:18] <carajean> ok
[03:19] <dudio> all this helpfulness, twice as much as any normal linux channel heh
[03:19] <ogra> carajean: some mp3 codec ?
[03:19] <ogra> carajean: if you hear mp3....
[03:19] <dudio> ogg <3
[03:19] <punkrockguy318> mmm yes oggs are great
[03:20] <dudio> yes well, time to go sleep
[03:20] <carajean> yeah i have a lot of mp3s stored on another computer i would like to port over
[03:20] <dudio> so i dont sleep away chrismas tomorrow
[03:20] <ChrisC_> question: to restart a process, I do a 'kill -HUP processname', right?
[03:20] <ogra> carajean: if dont have mp3s use ogg, if you got existing mp3s: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:20] <dudio> or, today rather
[03:20] <dudio> ChrisC_, process ID not name
[03:20] <oxymor00n> why is this composite-thing so slow? apple showed it can be done quite fast..
[03:20] <ChrisC_> OK
[03:20] <mojo> oh
[03:20] <mojo> ppl
[03:20] <ogra> dudio: bah, only 3:20 am here
[03:20] <mojo> ppl
[03:20] <dudio> 'killall -HUP processname' could do that
[03:20] <mojo> can some1 help me on this
[03:20] <killfill_> ogra, when i execute xcompmgr, should i see something new?.. i.e. shadows?
[03:20] <mojo> can someone check for me pls
[03:21] <dudio> but if you're running multiple with the same name, you'll kill them all
[03:21] <mojo> whether libglademm2.4-dev base on python2.3??
[03:21] <ogra> killfill_: yep, if you run the unstable version of ubuntu (hoary ) with xorg
[03:21] <dudio> whether its depentent on, or based on mojo?
[03:21] <dudio> dependent even
[03:21] <mojo> dep
[03:22] <mojo> dep
[03:22] <killfill_> ogra, i would guess it depends on a window manager that support the extension?
[03:22] <ogra> killfill_: it only works with xorg, not with xfree86
[03:22] <killfill_> yah.. i got Xorg 681
[03:23] <ogra> killfill_: so you run hoary....
[03:23] <dudio> mojo, Depends: libglademm-2.4-1 (= 2.4.1-2), libglade2-dev (>> 1:2.4.0), libgtkmm-2.4-dev
[03:23] <killfill_> but with metacity-2.8.8
[03:23] <ogra> killfill_: you also use the xcompmgr ubuntu package ?
[03:23] <killfill_> well no actually.. i dont run ubuntu (dont hurt me!)
[03:24] <dudio> heh, smart one *_*
[03:24] <ogra> killfill_: so why do you think i could help you in here.... if you not even mention you run another distro ?
[03:24] <dudio> tomorrow you can go ask your local power tool shop how to ice skate
[03:24] <killfill_> ooh.. xcompmgr -c does it... 8)
[03:25] <mojo> hmm...libglade2-dev still dep on python2.3 which is very annoying for me
[03:25] <dudio> btw mojo, libglademm is the c++ wrapper for glade
[03:25] <dudio> nothing at all to do with python
[03:25] <killfill_> u ppl are so updated.. i hoped u could help me...  i use freebsd btw... not even linux.. 8)
[03:25] <ogra> heh
[03:25] <mojo> I know
[03:26] <mojo> dudio: no, the libglade2-dev still needs p3,
[03:26] <dudio> i remember using freebsd 4.5... damn it has some serious issues with X
[03:26] <ogra> killfill_: this isnt even linux....heh....
[03:26] <dudio> mojo, libglade2 yes, but not libglademm2
[03:26] <anselm_> Hi can someone help me with a problem?
[03:27] <dudio> freebsd crashed my x server all the time... and it did other unexpected things every single day
[03:27] <mojo> hehe, libglademm2 dep on libglade2, libglade2 dep on p3, then deduce libgladmm2 also dep on p3
[03:27] <Kamion> mojo: don't say "p3" please, it's absurdly confusing!
[03:27] <Kamion> it's 2.3, the 2. is not silent
[03:27] <mojo> k
[03:27] <mojo> Kamion: can u migrate it to p2.4?
[03:28] <crimsun> 18:19 <@crimsun> Host 236.92.5.4.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
[03:28] <crimsun> err, sorry
[03:28] <dudio> mojo, well yes, but you asked if libglademm did and i told you its dependencies... you couldnt expect me to traverse its dependency three infinitely for you :O
[03:28] <dudio> im not that kind heh
[03:28] <Kamion> you always do this, the first person to answer vaguely unrelatedly you ask them if they can make the change you want
[03:28] <Kamion> please don't :)
[03:28] <Kamion> technically I could but I don't know enough about glade to make sure I'm not breaking anything, so I'm not going to
[03:29] <anselm_> After my computer sets for awhile the cdrom won't open and when I press the button on the cdrom it freezes up the system have to do a cold reboot.
[03:29] <mojo> Kamion: I can do it, but can u submit for me? or provide me how to submit to the respo?
[03:29] <dudio> mojo, my consultant fee is $150/h
[03:29] <Kamion> send a patch to bugzilla
[03:29] <ogra> wow, cheap
[03:29] <dudio> anyway, this time i really am going to sleep
[03:29] <mojo> dudio: really? lol, I work here like an ox, coding and they only pay me $40/hr
[03:29] <dudio> ogra, depends on where in the world you live i suppose
[03:29] <mojo> Kamion: okey dokey
[03:30] <dudio> cheers folks
[03:30] <killfill_> does xcompmgr use sany kinf of DRI thing?..
[03:30] <ogra> dudio: on my last consulting job my company got 200euro/h for me (i only recieved my normal low fee)
[03:30] <killfill_> or its too slow becouse i dont have my dri working.. or itr just broken here..
[03:31] <dudio> ogra, im working for my own company, so i set my own price
[03:31] <ogra> dudio: which was reason enough to resign ;)
[03:31] <djuuss> ogra: that's life
[03:31] <dudio> not that i get much work... but still heh
[03:31] <dudio> the main point is that i enjoy it
[03:31] <dudio> so meh
[03:31] <ogra> djuuss: nope thats greed....
[03:31] <dudio> but really, i have to sleep
[03:31] <djuuss> ogra: those 2 aren't mutually exclusive
[03:32] <dudio> life [03:32] <djuuss> no
[03:32] <djuuss> life = greed
[03:32] <ogra> djuuss: i dont think that _any_ consulter is worth this high price
[03:32] <djuuss> ogra: i do, they are
[03:32] <killfill_> u guys run  xcompmgr -cfC ?..
[03:32] <djuuss> ogra: i run a company just like the one you used to work for ;)
[03:33] <ogra> djuuss: i doubt that
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Isn't that great
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Firefox just crashed again
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Almost third time today
[03:33] <djuuss> we get 220 euro/h for someone, we give them about 140/h
[03:33] <Quest-Master> I might be going for Epiphany, Galeon, or Opera soon. x_x
[03:34] <calc> 140/h is nice
[03:34] <mojo> I heard the new GApplet will merge netstatus applet, but I don't see any netstatus applet here unless I install seperate netstatus applet package
[03:34] <ogra> djuuss: which is more then 2800euro a month ;)
[03:34] <djuuss> ogra: thats why my employees aren't quitting
[03:34] <ogra> djuuss: and i really had to discuss about macdonalds bills
[03:34] <djuuss> ogra: but i still make about 200000 *profit* a month
[03:35] <djuuss> it's easy
[03:36] <djuuss> i have the connections, i open the doors. They have the know-how, they do the work
[03:36] <ogra> djuuss: currently im earning a bit more then i spend so i am fine... and i still think consulters are overvalued
[03:36] <djuuss> combine the two, and its a win-win situation
[03:36] <calc> value is based on what the market will bear
[03:37] <calc> if someone wants to pay 200E+/hr then that is the value, same as with pro sports
[03:37] <djuuss> ogra: perhaps they are in you opinion, but like calc said..
[03:37] <djuuss> your worth whatever people are willing to pay
[03:37] <djuuss> not whatever you think you're worth
[03:38] <calc> though i am surprised that you can still get that high a price, i guess europes economy is doing much better than the US
[03:38] <ogra> djuuss: i am worth what i want them to pay, else i dont work for them....
[03:38] <djuuss> calc: it isn't
[03:38] <calc> so how do you get that much if there is a glut of tech workers ;)
[03:38] <calc> very specialized work?
[03:39] <ogra> calc: my last consulting job is 3 years ago....
[03:39] <djuuss> ogra: if they are paying it, thats what you're worth. If they'll pay more, you're worth more. In our business, that's the first rule of profit
[03:39] <ogra> calc: the price applies to this time....
[03:39] <calc> ogra: ok
[03:40] <sm> hi.. does anyone know a fix for hung blank panel at startup in recent hoary ?
[03:40] <ogra> djuuss: its not all about price....
[03:40] <sm> it's driving me batty
[03:40] <calc> i may start doing consulting work soon since i am having a hard time finding regular work
[03:40] <Cloudchaser_> hiya
[03:40] <Cloudchaser_> happy holidays to everyone!
[03:40] <calc> sm: did you make sure to kill all the processes for the user after logging out?
[03:40] <calc> gnome seems to get stuck often
[03:40] <djuuss> if you work for me, you tell me what you want to earn. I'll get you an assignment, but if i can't make the difference i'm not going to put you on my payroll.
[03:40] <anselm_> Cloudchaser,  Merry X-mas
[03:41] <ogra> djuuss: i dropped well paied jobs because i didnt want to do the work they wanted me to do (i am about to do it rightnow again)
[03:41] <Cloudchaser_> hey i have a question
[03:41] <sm> it happens after a reboot also
[03:41] <Cloudchaser_> if i go into network i see all the computers on my network
[03:41] <Cloudchaser_> but...i can't access them
[03:41] <djuuss> have them share their files
[03:41] <Cloudchaser_> i'm trying to set up samba and i did the smbpasswd thing
[03:41] <Cloudchaser_> they are all sharing
[03:41] <Cloudchaser_> but it says i don't have permission to browse them
[03:42] <Cloudchaser_> do i have to set a user with my name on their pc's?
[03:42] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: got the right username and pw ?
[03:42] <djuuss> you could
[03:42] <Cloudchaser_> it doesn't ask me for a user/pw even
[03:42] <Cloudchaser_> which i thought it should
[03:42] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: hmm, hoary or warty ?
[03:43] <Cloudchaser_> warty
[03:43] <djuuss> connect from commandline with usr/pw as params?
[03:43] <Cloudchaser_> i thought.. maybe it was samba not set up right?
[03:43] <Cloudchaser_> i'm reading the how to
[03:43] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: samba is a server....
[03:43] <Cloudchaser_> oh..so they can connect to me?
[03:43] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: you want client access
[03:43] <djuuss> yeah
[03:43] <ljlane> What is ubuntu using to automatically mount floppy disks?
[03:44] <djuuss> get the smb-client :)
[03:44] <Cloudchaser_> oh ok
[03:44] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: if your samba conf is right....
[03:44] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: ...they can connect to you
[03:44] <djuuss> guys i'm out
[03:44] <ogra> djuuss: night :)
[03:44] <djuuss> merry xmas
[03:44] <Cloudchaser_> g'night and merry merry!
[03:44] <ogra> djuuss: yep...was about to say that
[03:44] <djuuss> bye
[03:45] <calc> floppies don't get automounted afaict
[03:46] <Cloudchaser_> ok i have smbclient installed
[03:46] <Cloudchaser_> it was installed already
[03:46] <oxymor00n> does anyone know how usplash is progressing? couldn't find much about it on the wiki
[03:47] <lathiat> Hi guys -- I want to file a bug against gnome-core-devel because it depends on libnautilus2-dev and ubuntu only has libnautilus-extensions-dev which replaces it but this causes gnome-devel to be uninstallable -- but theres no gnome-devel or gnome-core-devel package in ubuntu bugzilla -- should i file it against libnautilus2-dev ?
[03:47] <Cloudchaser_> ok i have to set up a mount point for each share?
[03:47] <ogra> oxymor00n: look on the conference pges in the wiki, there was a talk
[03:47] <ed_gein> hello
[03:47] <oxymor00n> ogra: k, thanks.
[03:48] <ogra> lathiat: hoary ?
[03:48] <ed_gein> How do you determine the alsa device name?
[03:49] <faxons> does the warty powerpc install have support for apple G5's?
[03:49] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: you could do that...
[03:49] <Cloudchaser_> this is very confusing
[03:49] <Cloudchaser_> if the pc's show in the browser for the network
[03:49] <lathiat> ogra: yeh
[03:49] <Cloudchaser_> why do that if you have to go through all that other stuff
[03:49] <Cloudchaser_> i thought it would...ask for pw and then let me access it
[03:50] <ogra> lathiat: look if its already there, else file it
[03:50] <lathiat> ogra: it wasnt there, i checked, my problem is what package should if ile it under
[03:50] <lathiat> since theres no 'package' for gnome-devel or gnome-core-devel in bugzilla
[03:50] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: tra it with ctrl-L and give it: smb://computer/share/
[03:50] <ogra> try
[03:51] <Cloudchaser_> hmm i can't ping him by name
[03:51] <Cloudchaser_> i need samba to do..wins i think
[03:51] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: just the windows name
[03:51] <Cloudchaser_> i haven't set up samba in sooo long
[03:51] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: look at nmblookup
[03:51] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: it can show you the names
[03:52] <ogra> lathiat: if in doubt leave it to the devs, normally there should be a gnome-core-devel in bugzilla
[03:52] <lathiat> ogra: 'the devs'?
[03:53] <ogra> lathiat:  leave it to the devs means dont choose one or choose one nearby
[03:53] <lathiat> oh right
[03:53] <lathiat> would make sense to file against libnautilus2-dev ?
[03:53] <Cloudchaser_> ok i tried that and it wants a flag/option
[03:53] <ogra> lathiat: or libnautilus-extensions-dev
[03:54] <lathiat> ogra: that one doesnt exist either, checked that :)
[03:54] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: i dont know the options, you will have to look at the manpage (no windows around)
[03:54] <lathiat> ogra: thanks for your help
[03:56] <lathiat> ogra: sorry one more q, do i need to indicate hoary anywhere? [cant see where] 
[03:56] <ogra> lathiat: do it in the description
[03:56] <Cloudchaser_> looking at the man page but not sure what to do...
[03:57] <ogra> lathiat: i think you can file it for gnome-desktop and mention that the dev package is missing
[03:58] <|QuaD-> Kamion: you are the greatest!
[03:59] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: i just remember -M and a weird combo of dashes....
[04:01] <Cloudchaser_> hehe
[04:01] <Cloudchaser_> i'm editing smb.conf to do wins support
[04:01] <Cloudchaser_> that might help some too
[04:01] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: only if there i a wins server
[04:01] <ogra> is
[04:01] <Cloudchaser_> samba will be the wins server
[04:01] <Cloudchaser_> it can be a wins client or server
[04:02] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: then you will need a file with the names i guess ?
[04:02] <Cloudchaser_> i'll set it to be wins server then i don't have to worry about host files and all that since the pc's are all dhcp
[04:02] <Cloudchaser_> no i shouldn't need a host file if wins is working
[04:03] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: ah, ok.... my samba time is some years ago.... no need for it in my home net :)
[04:03] <Cloudchaser_> ;) s'ok i am rusty too and appreciate any help
[04:04] <killfill_> ogra, ive just setup transparency...   i have a Q for you...  do u think moving windows around with this thins enable... is quick enought?
[04:05] <ogra> killfill_: not on the various implementations i saw until today
[04:05] <ogra> killfill_: how does it feel ?
[04:05] <killfill_> until today?... what did you saw?..
[04:05] <killfill_> slow as a cow... 8)
[04:05] <Rotund> Can someone help me compile a debian kernel?\
[04:05] <killfill_> could be becouse my DRI is not enable.. but i doubt its a dri thing?
[04:06] <Rotund> My big thins is I don't understand how to apply the debian patches
[04:06] <killfill_> Rotund, doesn debian had a special utility?.. like kpkg-something?
[04:06] <Rotund> killfill_: yup
[04:06] <ogra> killfill_: i tried it from the first release on freedesktop with kdrive instead of xfree until today repeatedly every some monts
[04:06] <Rotund> you still have to apply your own packages
[04:06] <ogra> months
[04:07] <ogra> Rotund: nope, not if you use the right source package
[04:07] <Rotund> so, I unzip the 2.6.8.1 src and then want to apply the 2.6.8.1-14 debian patches
[04:07] <Rotund> ogra, I don't have to apply the ubuntu/debian patches to the source tree first?
[04:07] <ogra> Rotund: why dont you just use the linux-source- 2.6.8.1 package ?
[04:08] <killfill_> kdrive.. didnt knew that one...
[04:08] <Rotund> I did.  Isn't that the pristine one?
[04:08] <ogra> Rotund: the ubuntu packages already contain the patchsets
[04:08] <Cloudchaser_> grr none of the nmblookups i'm trying works
[04:08] <Rotund> oh.  then damn.  nevermind
[04:08] <Rotund> =)
[04:08] <killfill_> oh.. u just meant.. its slow.. 8)
[04:08] <ogra> Rotund: vanilla is called kernel-source-x.x.x
[04:09] <Rotund> ahhh
[04:09] <ogra> killfill_: nope, its the former tinyX
[04:09] <ogra> killfill_: it is just a vesa driver
[04:10] <ogra> killfill_: so the driver itself is slow, additional to the slowness of transset or xcompmgr
[04:10] <killfill_> aah.. yah. well i was refering just to the transset thing
[04:10] <killfill_> now i get why its tunerd off by default.. 8)
[04:11] <ogra> killfill_: it has improved over time, but it will not be usable before summer i think
[04:11] <ogra> killfill_: but dont tale me to serious.... i am just guessing
[04:11] <killfill_> the macosx equivalente is much more quick, isnit?. the idea is to more or less matxh that speed?  (ive never use pac btw)
[04:11] <killfill_> mac
[04:12] <ogra> killfill_: in my time assumptions
[04:12] <killfill_> sure.. 8)
[04:13] <|QuaD-> where is the ubuntu torrent? i want to mirror it
[04:13] <|QuaD-> or seed it
[04:13] <|QuaD-> whatever you call it
[04:13] <oxymor00n> summer.. maybe by then sarge will be released, and we'll get xorg-packages for debian
[04:14] <|QuaD-> is sid using xorg yet?
[04:14] <oxymor00n> o
[04:14] <zenwhen> nope
[04:14] <oxymor00n> no
[04:14] <|QuaD-> oh ok
[04:14] <zenwhen> theres unofficial packages
[04:14] <|QuaD-> anyone know where the ubuntu torrent is?
[04:14] <zenwhen> on the internet
[04:15] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: where on ubuntulinux.org
[04:15] <|QuaD-> i looked
[04:15] <oxymor00n> unofficial packages tend to break things..
[04:15] <zenwhen> not in my experiences
[04:15] <zenwhen> you cant sit around aiting for your distro devs to provide everything you want
[04:16] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: so far, ubuntu hoary is :)
[04:16] <|QuaD-> normally i use tons of unofficial packages
[04:16] <|QuaD-> i haven't needed to with ubuntu
[04:16] <zenwhen> I cant run hoary.
[04:16] <|QuaD-> why?
[04:16] <zenwhen> I cant deal with the bugginess I have heard of.
[04:16] <jdub> zenwhen: that's why you *become* a developer. saves wasting time on *anything* unofficial.
[04:16] <killfill_> |QuaD-, thats why i like ubuntu.. 8)
[04:16] <zenwhen> I hope it gets sorted out enough soon.
[04:17] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: ahh
[04:17] <jdub> zenwhen: the bugs will only be found and fixed if there are people finding and fixing them...
[04:17] <oxymor00n> i use debian, but i've recommended ubuntu to some people, so i follow development.
[04:17] <zenwhen> Oh, If I need something I pull it from sid, or build it.
[04:18] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: why not pull it from hoary?
[04:18] <zenwhen> I just cant be arsed to run a dev distro on my main machine. I am building a machine to run hoary on soon.
[04:18] <zenwhen> Because I get less breakage with Sid packages.
[04:18] <zenwhen> xorg was nice from hoary
[04:18] <zenwhen> I had no issues with it
[04:19] <zenwhen> but Had no reason to use it either
[04:19] <zenwhen> so I went back to xfree
[04:19] <|QuaD-> now my question is, when are the gnome menus going to stay constant, they change like daily
[04:19] <lathiat> hmm hoary ugprade stomped on the menus crossover installed
[04:19] <zenwhen> When they can make most people happy, i figure they will stick with something.
[04:19] <killfill_> guys.. ubuntu does patch gnome things right.. like the menus.. and the logout window..
[04:20] <killfill_> where cna i get thouse patches?
[04:20] <killfill_> like to port them to my-os?..
[04:21] <ogra> |QuaD-: thats the nature of desktop development :)
[04:21] <|QuaD-> ogra: heh... they just keep switching it back and forth
[04:21] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with evolution working with exchange calendars??
[04:22] <ogra> |QuaD-: tht are unfixed apps i guess....
[04:22] <ogra> that
[04:22] <|QuaD-> ogra: yeah i know... i was just curious
[04:22] <killfill_> hm..
[04:22] <killfill_> ok
[04:23] <Quest-Master> So awesome: http://www.ferg.org/projects/python_java_side-by-side.html
[04:23] <jdub> |QuaD-: the basic design is already there (as proposed on ubuntu-devel)
[04:23] <|QuaD-> jdub: yeah... just changes a lot on us
[04:23] <jdub> |QuaD-: but there will always be minor changes as we move towards release
[04:23] <ragged> hi all
[04:23] <|QuaD-> jdub: i don't mind, more of just curious
[04:23] <jdub> |QuaD-: it has not been changing much since the proposed design landed.
[04:24] <|QuaD-> jdub: is the inclusion of the debian menu supposed to be there?
[04:24] <Quest-Master> jdub: Are you an Ubuntu developer?
[04:24] <jdub> |QuaD-: if menu-xdg is installed, you'll see it.
[04:24] <jdub> Quest-Master: yes.
[04:24] <Quest-Master> jdub: Cool. What do you do?
[04:24] <jdub> release management, desktop team lead, etc.
[04:25] <Quest-Master> Ah, neat.
[04:25] <Quest-Master> I want to become an Ubuntu developer. :)
[04:25] <Quest-Master> Somehow. :P
[04:25] <jdub> there's info in the wiki about it
[04:25] <zenwhen> I could run warty forever.
[04:25] <zenwhen> It just works so well.
[04:26] <zenwhen> lol
[04:26] <ogra> Quest-Master: so vome, join us: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MaintainerCandidates
[04:26] <ogra> come
[04:26] <ragged> is there a way to install ubuntu without burning the iso on the cd? but have it boot from the hd? or like..having a boto floppy that'll let me browse to the cd iso image and start it?
[04:28] <|QuaD-> ragged: thats asking a lot
[04:29] <ogra> zenwhen: you havent seen what hoary will bring ;)
[04:29] <zenwhen> ;)
[04:30] <Quest-Master> ogra: You a developer too? ;)
[04:30] <zenwhen> Maybe I will toss in some help maintaining some packages at some point.
[04:30] <floam> just curious, what gcc compiler options are used for the AMD64 packages, is there some convention?
[04:30] <zenwhen> I dont do anything else.
[04:31] <ogra> Quest-Master: i'm number three on the candidates page ;)
[04:32] <Quest-Master> :D
[04:32] <zenwhen> So do you have to be accepted?
[04:32] <zenwhen> and have you been?
[04:32] <Quest-Master> I want to add some packages.. most of them are built through scons though.. plus, I've no idea how to build a .deb as of yet. x_x
[04:32] <ogra> zenwhen: it depends what your goals are :)
[04:33] <ogra> if you just want to contribute to universe its pretty easy.....
[04:33] <zenwhen> I thnk I woud like to maintain MPD and packages for all its front ends.
[04:33] <zenwhen> think*
[04:33] <ogra> i want i the core team, as i am interested in a lot packages in main which has a higher threshold
[04:34] <carajean> ok im back and again with problems, i cant get cedega to work properly
[04:34] <Quest-Master> ogra: Any guides on how to build .debs? And how to build .debs for software built with scons? :)
[04:34] <ogra> Quest-Master, zenwhen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers
[04:34] <zenwhen> carajean, #cedega
[04:34] <carajean> cool thats actually a channel
[04:34] <Cloudchaser_> ok here's the question...do i have to mount a network share in order to access it if i have samba set up?
[04:35] <jdub> Quest-Master: debian's new maintainer guide. scons doesn't change much in the scheme of things.
[04:35] <Quest-Master> :D
[04:36] <theNeonGod> is there no j2re package for ubuntu?
[04:36] <|QuaD-> theNeonGod: read the wiki
[04:37] <|QuaD-> or www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:37] <Quest-Master> jdub: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html#s-getit -- it says to use dh_make
[04:37] <Quest-Master> jdub: Is there something like dh_scons? :)
[04:38] <jdub> Quest-Master: different context, that's 'debhelper make'
[04:38] <ogra> Quest-Master: why not learn it the "native" way and leave scons behind ?
[04:38] <jdub> nothing to do with gnu make
[04:38] <jdub> ogra: scons is used by the software he's packaging
[04:38] <ogra> oh
[04:39] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[04:39] <jesusantonio> alguien habla espaol?
[04:39] <Quest-Master> Nope, I don't speak espanol ;)
[04:39] <jesusantonio> somebody speak spanish?
[04:39] <Quest-Master> jdub: Oh.
[04:39] <jesusantonio> ok
[04:40] <jesusantonio> I need some help?
[04:40] <ogra> jesusantonio: nobody in #ubuntu-es ?
[04:40] <Triple5> ogra, tu hablas espanol?
[04:40] <Quest-Master> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-modify.en.html <-- it's all make stuff :(
[04:40] <ogra> Triple5: nope
[04:40] <Triple5> es ? = espanoll
[04:40] <ogra> Quest-Master: make is the essential bit
[04:40] <theNeonGod> |QuaD-, very helpful thanks. do you know if the apps listed here will have more of an automated install/setup in future versions? so many of them are so useful.
[04:41] <jdub> Quest-Master: that's the rules file format, nothing to do with how your software is built
[04:41] <ogra> Triple5: there used to be a channel called #ubuntu-es
[04:41] <Cloudchaser_> ok according to the samba how to in the wiki
[04:41] <jdub> Quest-Master: you're confusing the packaging system with the software build system - they're totally separate
[04:41] <Cloudchaser_> i should be getitng prompted for a username and password
[04:41] <Cloudchaser_> when i try to browse shares
[04:41] <Triple5> OH
[04:41] <ogra> Quest-Master: you should know about make and what it does for building debs
[04:41] <Cloudchaser_> but i'm not..it just tells me i don't have permisisong to browse them
[04:42] <jesusantonio> mm...nobody want to help me in #ubuntu-es
[04:42] <Triple5> i just upgraded to hoary everything went fine and menus are different and stuff very nice :) and I notice i have kernel 2.6.9-1now it seems to run better than warty phew!
[04:44] <jesusantonio> how can I go back to Windows XP, I installed Ubuntu in a second partition, but Ubuntu don't let me choose what operative system start
[04:45] <theNeonGod> jesusantonio, google up grub.conf editing
[04:45] <Triple5> how do I get grub loader or something
[04:45] <jesusantonio> ok
[04:46] <theNeonGod> jesusantonio, or you can press escape at startup to get to the grub menu... dont know if ubuntu creates an option to boot into XP if it's there or not
[04:46] <Triple5> well i do have grub but i have no boot splash or nothing just text
[04:46] <oxymor00n> are there plans about inclusion of beagle?
[04:46] <Triple5> TheIconoclast, wasssuuupp where do I know u from hmm ..
[04:47] <zenwhen> isnt beagle mono?
[04:47] <ogra> theNeonGod: normally it does
[04:47] <oxymor00n> yes it is
[04:48] <zenwhen> well that would require including mono
[04:48] <zenwhen> which I dont see happening
[04:48] <ogra> jesusantonio: try this: http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/
[04:48] <ogra> hm... to late
[04:49] <oxymor00n> zenwhen: that's why i'm asking :)
[04:50] <Triple5> I see ubuntu is no longer what it use to be a month ago
[04:50] <zenwhen> I dont see Mono being included since Microsoft really hasn't said they arnt going to cause trouble over it.
[04:50] <Spug> Grargh. I have to kill X, because some X process is keeping a device busy so I can't unmount it. Someone gave me a process to kill, but every time I kill it it starts X up again.
[04:51] <jdub> oxymor00n: we're actively tracking its progress
[04:52] <Cloudchaser_> does anyone at all here have samba and smbclient working?
[04:52] <zenwhen> If I could download an ISO and upgrade to hoary from it right now I would try it.
[04:52] <Cloudchaser_> in rh9 it was easy but it just isn't working for me in ubuntu..not sure what i'm doing wrong
[04:52] <zenwhen> But I am on dialup.
[04:53] <zenwhen> I cant really just apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:53] <zenwhen> but I can go download the iso somewhere
[04:53] <jesusantonio> somebody who can help me to get back to windows, I have been trying in the Grub Menu, but it's not there
[04:53] <oxymor00n> jdub: i was asking, cause i've read something on a ML that novell wants to include it in one of the next SuSE-release..
[04:56] <jesusantonio> please, I'm so worry to get back to windows, but there's not way
[04:56] <Spug> Hey, how do I kill Gnome to get into an X-less terminal?
[04:57] <oxymor00n> Spug: ctrl-alt-f1 ?
[04:58] <jesusantonio> nobody help here :(
[05:00] <ogra> jesusantonio: try this: http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/
[05:00] <Crane> hello and heck yea so far so good
[05:00] <Crane> only other prob to deal with is samba
[05:00] <ogra> jesusantonio: add the repository as described on : http://www.grawert.net/software/ to synaptic, reload and install the app
[05:01] <Crane> which just laughs at me
[05:01] <Crane> :)
[05:01] <Crane> how is everyone tonight
[05:02] <Crane> oops
[05:02] <jesusantonio> But I don't know how to start an application in Linux :(
[05:02] <jesusantonio> I'm so stupid in this
[05:03] <Crane> jesusantonio: what app?
[05:03] <ogra> jesusantonio: it adds itself below the computer->system settings menu
[05:03] <spug> Okay. So. Something is keeping my Windows partition busy so it can't be unmounted. Seems to be an X process. I'm now out of X, thanks, sitting in irssi in the terminal, but I have no idea what process is keeping the devide busy.
[05:03] <ogra> jesusantonio: system tools, sorry
[05:03] <Amroc> lamont, you alive?
[05:04] <oxymor00n> spug: try lsof, that gives you the process
[05:04] <jesusantonio> ogra, I got this file "startup_settings-targz
[05:04] <ogra> jesusantonio: no
[05:04] <ogra> jesusantonio: add the repository as described on : http://www.grawert.net/software/ to synaptic, reload and install the app
[05:06] <spug> oxymor00n: pretty. so if i find my windows partition to the right, that's the application using it? because if so, it's irssi, which i just started... and i couldn't unmount before that either
[05:07] <jesusantonio> mmm...I don't understand anything, I'm a Windows user who want to test Linux, and Someone who don't know to speak english good
[05:08] <ogra> jesusantonio: here is something with screenshots on how to add a repository: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:08] <Crane> ubuntu seems pretty darn nice
[05:08] <oxymor00n> spug: do you have a terminal open, where you are in the windows-directory?
[05:09] <oxymor00n> oh. gone. nice.
[05:09] <spug> Yeah, okay, quitting irssi didn't help at all :P
[05:10] <spug> I don't want to shut down without safely unmounting the partition, last time I did that I corrupted a lot of files
[05:10] <lamont__> Amroc: howdy!
[05:10] <lamont__> !
[05:10] <oxymor00n> spug: what says lsof <where your windows partition is>
[05:10] <spug> bash and irssi
[05:10] <spug> bash is because i'm attempting to unmount i guess
[05:10] <spug> and irssi, i have no idea, but i just quit it and that didn't help
[05:11] <lamont> moog
[05:12] <oxymor00n> wah, if my english was a little bit better.. but anyhow, i think you have a terminal open, where you sit in your windows-partition...
[05:12] <Amroc> lamont, whhere you been?
[05:13] <Amroc> orc3n, lamont__ where you been (depending on which compy ur at
[05:13] <Amroc> or*
[05:13] <Amroc> damn auto complete
[05:13] <Amroc> sorry orc3n
[05:14] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[05:14] <da_bon_bon> i have a problem...
[05:15] <lamont> Amroc: spain the last 2 weeks, and otherwise just plain crazyh
[05:15] <Amroc> just ask, my guess is someone in here will be able to have a guess
[05:15] <Amroc> lamont, oh you gonna go to the lock-in at the dojo? its newyears night
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> whenever iu start ubuntu it gives "Modprobe: error: fatal: " and then something about pciehp and shcphc
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> whenever iu start ubuntu it gives "Modprobe: error: fatal: " and then something about pciehp and shcphc
[05:16] <Amroc> da_bon_bon, did you have problems staying up without it slowing down? or did it just say those and run jsut fine?
[05:16] <Crane> has anyone had luck setting up samba?
[05:16] <oxymor00n> spug: ?
[05:17] <da_bon_bon> Amroc: no it just said those and run just fine.
[05:17] <Crane> When I select network it opens a window but nothing happens
[05:18] <Amroc> Ok, it shouldnt be a problem, i hope, i had those too when i tried ubuntu, then mine craped out on me... i was told those shouldnt make a diff
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> do i need to uninstall old firefox b4 installing v1 ?
[05:19] <declan> hello all
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> declan: ji
[05:19] <Crane> hello hows it going
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> declan: hi, i mean
[05:19] <declan> im great and yourself
[05:19] <Crane> good good
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> how do i uninstall firefox?
[05:20] <declan> was wondering if anyone knew the name of the packages for xine, when using apt-get
[05:20] <Colin_> apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox
[05:20] <Crane> How did you install it
[05:20] <Colin_> apt-get install xine
[05:20] <declan> doesn't work
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> Colin_: and then i can install FireFox 1 right?
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> Colin_: added the repositories?
[05:20] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, there are backproted packages of 1 for warty
[05:21] <Colin_> just install one of those
[05:21] <spug> oxymor00n: Hmm, I don't have any terminals accessing the win partition
[05:21] <Rotund> Colin_: can it be found on apt-get.org?
[05:21] <Colin_> declan, do you have the right respositories in your sources.list
[05:21] <Amroc> have you guys gotten live cd's to find the wireless card yet?
[05:21] <da_bon_bon> Colin_: how? i downloaded the complete 8mb one...
[05:21] <spug> oxymor00n: Maybe some unlisted X applications or something?
[05:21] <spug> I have no clue
[05:21] <declan> colin: I have no idea, how would i do that
[05:22] <Colin_> declan, go to the ubuntu website wiki, there are instructions
[05:22] <declan> thanks
[05:22] <Colin_> np
[05:22] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, someone here has the address
[05:22] <da_bon_bon> Colin_: i downloaded it already. anyway, what does the --purge do?
[05:23] <Colin_> removes config files
[05:23] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[05:24] <da_bon_bon> whats that? ^^^
[05:24] <oxymor00n> spug: then what says lsof /path/to/your/windows-partition say exactly
[05:24] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, read it
[05:25] <da_bon_bon> Colin_: what are backports?
[05:25] <spug> oxymor00n: I have no idea how to copy-paste in bash... But it says bash and irssi are accessing it, bash probably being lsof itself?
[05:25] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, there is stable and unstable versions of ubuntu
[05:25] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, backports are versions of software that are in unstable....made usable in stable
[05:25] <da_bon_bon> ok
[05:25] <spug> oxymor00n: But I guess I'll just give up... It's 5:15 in the morning :P I'll just shut down without unmounting and hope for the best
[05:26] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, firefox 1 is in unstable
[05:26] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, the backport allows it to be installed in stable
[05:26] <Crane> how many users are listed here?
[05:27] <Colin_> 267
[05:27] <Crane> WoW
[05:27] <Crane> that what mine says, just checking
[05:27] <spug> oxymor00n: Thanks for the help :)
[05:27] <Crane> lots of peeps here
[05:31] <oxymor00n> linux is confusing sometimes..
[05:31] <Crane> lol
[05:31] <Crane> it can be
[05:32] <Crane> I' just learning ubuntu
[05:33] <Cloudchaser_> ok..i can connect to a share via command line..but still can't browse it in ubuntu's file viewer
[05:33] <|QuaD-> linux? cinfusing? nah
[05:33] <|QuaD-> thats link saying windows=stable
[05:33] <Cloudchaser_> and i can browse my linux pc from a windows pc
[05:34] <Crane> windows=stable .......muhahahahaha
[05:34] <oxymor00n> Cloudchaser_: yeah, it's possible, but... why? *grin*
[05:34] <|QuaD-> Crane: i was kidding :)
[05:34] <Cloudchaser_> what do you mean oxymor00n?
[05:34] <Crane> I know
[05:34] <Crane> :)
[05:35] <Cloudchaser_> i still can't browse the shares in ubunutu's network browser thingy
[05:35] <Cloudchaser_> i can see all the pc's in the network
[05:35] <Cloudchaser_> but when i go to look at it..it says i don't have permissions
[05:35] <Crane> Cloudchaser: you got farther than I did
[05:35] <Cloudchaser_> from command line i can connect to the windows share
[05:36] <Crane> I can't even see the computers:(
[05:36] <Cloudchaser_> and show the dir
[05:36] <Cloudchaser_> do you have samba installed?
[05:36] <Crane> yep
[05:36] <Cloudchaser_> and did you put them all in same workgroup?
[05:36] <Crane> yep
[05:36] <Cloudchaser_> in ubuntu's network settings it asks if you want o enable windows networking and all that
[05:36] <Crane> samba works on my other computer
[05:36] <oxymor00n> Cloudchaser_: ah, okay, i thought about something else
[05:37] <Cloudchaser_> ok to see windows shares from ubuntu you need smbclient
[05:37] <Cloudchaser_> to see linux shares from windows you need samba
[05:37] <Crane> got both
[05:37] <Cloudchaser_> then you have to set some configurations
[05:37] <Cloudchaser_> in the smb.conf
[05:37] <Crane> yep /etc/samba/smb.conf
[05:38] <Cloudchaser_> i wonder if the "network" browser isn't setting to my user/pw
[05:38] <carajean> anyone know how to partion in ubuntu and is it possible to partion a space for windows
[05:38] <Cloudchaser_> and the whole sudo thing is messing it up
[05:38] <Crane> what is the command line to access samba shares
[05:38] <Crane> is it smb://
[05:39] <Cloudchaser_> i also set up a username and pw in smbpasswd that is the same as what i log into the windows pc
[05:39] <lathiat> Crane: just goto network
[05:39] <lathiat> and under that, windows network
[05:39] <Crane> in command?
[05:39] <carajean> anyone about partitioning
[05:39] <lathiat> theres no command line browser like that
[05:39] <carajean> ??
[05:39] <Cloudchaser_> lathiat, i go there and see all my pc's on network but can't browse them
[05:39] <Crane> in gui it's not working
[05:40] <Cloudchaser_> one sec crane
[05:40] <lathiat> theres smbclient and stuff but it doesnt allo browsing
[05:40] <Cloudchaser_> getting the command
[05:40] <lathiat> so you can like
[05:40] <lathiat> smbclient //1.1.1.1/sharename
[05:40] <Crane> thanks
[05:40] <lordan> smbclient //host/share -U user
[05:41] <Cloudchaser_> smbclient //hose/share-Umyusername%mypassword
[05:41] <Cloudchaser_> i used that
[05:41] <Cloudchaser_> hose=host ;)
[05:41] <Cloudchaser_> then if you connect type "dir" without quotes
[05:41] <Crane> lol
[05:41] <Cloudchaser_> so then.lathiat
[05:41] <Cloudchaser_> if i can connect
[05:42] <lordan> Or if you want smbmount //host/share /mountpoint
[05:42] <Cloudchaser_> why can't i browse in the network/windows share window?
[05:42] <carajean> so i take it no one know how to partition
[05:43] <usual> man smoothwall is the shit
[05:43] <lordan> carajean, what do you want to know about partitioning?
[05:43] <Cloudchaser_> lordan, i can't mount the share with that command
[05:44] <Crane> I opened network in file browser but nothing... the toes are still moving
[05:44] <Crane> :)
[05:44] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, hmm.. it should work
[05:44] <carajean> i want to create a partition so i can install windows on a system which i already have linux installed
[05:44] <lordan> Don't have access to any winDOS boxes atm, so ..
[05:44] <Cloudchaser_>  $ sudo smbmount //chrisibm/chrisibmc /mnt/ChrisC
[05:44] <Cloudchaser_> Password:
[05:44] <Cloudchaser_> 16128: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)
[05:44] <Cloudchaser_> SMB connection failed
[05:45] <lathiat> add -o username=user,password=blah
[05:45] <lathiat> and read what the errors say, they do mean things
[05:45] <Crane> carajean: it's easier to install windows first
[05:45] <newbiewan> carajean, as I understand, Windows installation will wipe your Linux patitions and data.
[05:45] <carajean> yeah i did that before
[05:45] <Crane> carajean: windows likes to try to take the entire drive for itself
[05:46] <Cloudchaser_> ok that worked ;)
[05:46] <carajean> yeah lol
[05:46] <ctd> lathiat: -o password= is bad, unless it's scripted or something like that.
[05:46] <lathiat> You can install windwos aside linux fine
[05:46] <lathiat> ctd: oh it asks for the password doesn tit?
[05:46] <lathiat> meh
[05:46] <Cloudchaser_> still can't browse it from the windows network file viewer though
[05:46] <ctd> lathiat: yeah
[05:46] <carajean> so install windows then create a partition with.........anything out there that free????
[05:46] <lathiat> Cloudchaser_: yes none of thsoe thing speople have been describing have anything to do with fixing the windows browser
[05:46] <Cloudchaser_> ctd why is it ba?
[05:46] <Cloudchaser_> bad?
[05:47] <ctd> lathiat: Don't know about you, but I don't like having my passwords in ~/.bash_history
[05:47] <Cloudchaser_> lathiat, is it broken for everyone or just me?
[05:47] <lathiat> Cloudchaser_: just you
[05:47] <lathiat> ctd: yeh indeed
[05:47] <lathiat> ctd: ln -s ~/.bash_history /dev/null :)
[05:48] <newbiewan> carajean, pclinuxos livecd has partitioning software based on Mandrakelinux with nice graphical interface.
[05:48] <Cloudchaser_> so.. lathiat any idea how to fix it?
[05:48] <ctd> lathiat: or 20 other ways of avoiding .bash_history
[05:49] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, are you never able to connect using Nautilus, or it works sometimes?
[05:49] <newbiewan> carajean, start pclinuxos installation, get into the partitioning, make partitions resizing Windows partition and then exit without finishing installation.
[05:49] <carajean> so do i run this in linux but how do i keep windows from takin control
[05:49] <Cloudchaser_> lordan, never
[05:49] <Cloudchaser_> i just did most of samba configuration today though
[05:49] <Cloudchaser_> and from command line it all seems to be working
[05:49] <lordan> hm.. I have problems connecting to Windows shares 'from time to time'..
[05:49] <CheatersRealm> my box is still messed up from my botched upgrade to hoary :)
[05:50] <newbiewan> carajean, boot up into linux live cd, it controls the partitioning - after Windows is installed on the whole drive.
[05:50] <Cloudchaser_> including mounting the share with name instead of ip address
[05:50] <Cloudchaser_> so samba seems to be working ok
[05:50] <carajean> oh ok and this will work
[05:50] <CheatersRealm> can someone /msg me your .xinitrc ?
[05:50] <Crane> windows doesn't work well with others
[05:50] <Cloudchaser_> but
[05:50] <Cloudchaser_> i can't ping the pc by name for some reason
[05:51] <Cloudchaser_> one thing i don't like about ubuntu
[05:51] <Cloudchaser_> is there's no services gui
[05:51] <snipes420> does the ubuntu website have an image I can put on my website so that I can link to them?
[05:51] <newbiewan> I have done it making a Windows XP partition down from 40GB to 156 with the rest Mandrake, pclinuxos has the same software but only one CD.
[05:51] <Xenguy> snipes420: good idea
[05:52] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, there's a services gui in gnome-system-tools
[05:52] <newbiewan> carajean, you will make a swap partition and at leat two more: /  and /home.  That makes 4 including Windows.
[05:52] <lordan> Not sure why it's not in ubuntu.
[05:53] <Cloudchaser_> lordan, so i can apt get that?
[05:53] <lordan> More like compile g-s-t yourself.
[05:53] <carajean> ooooh ok so fresh install windows run livecd and then partition and install linux
[05:53] <Cloudchaser_> lordan, i found it in apt-cache search..i have to compile it myself?
[05:54] <lordan> Think I read someplace that the idea was that most users don't need to mess around with services.
[05:54] <lordan> g-s-t itself is in ubuntu
[05:54] <lordan> but only some of the tools
[05:54] <Cloudchaser_> thats a presumption that is wrong really
[05:54] <Cloudchaser_> because i don't mess with services but i want to be able to shut off things
[05:54] <Cloudchaser_> or start things
[05:54] <Cloudchaser_> simply
[05:55] <Cloudchaser_> oh
[05:55] <newbiewan> carajean, use one linux livecd to partition, then boot ubuntu or other linux to install. I used this method to clear out SuSE since pclinuxos has a nice partitioner. Then I put anopther Linux on for experimenting.
[05:55] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, I tend to agree.
[05:55] <Cloudchaser_> i don't think i have allthe stuff i need to compile htings
[05:55] <Cloudchaser_> and i won't have time for a bit to try it
[05:55] <lordan> having to update-rc.d blah blah blah gets on my nerves at times
[05:55] <lordan> especially when you upgrade stuff.
[05:55] <Cloudchaser_> but in the meantime..i can mount the shares from command and can't access them with the gui
[05:56] <Xenguy> snipes420: found this; not sure how useful it is: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Artwork
[05:56] <carajean> ok im slowly getting this since i just installed linux for the first time in my life this morning
[05:56] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, I do have that problem at times
[05:56] <snipes420> thanks Xenguy, that looks like what i was looking for :)
[05:57] <Cloudchaser_> i wonder if i restart and try it
[05:57] <lordan> but sometimes it works fine, albeit sloooooow
[05:57] <ChrisC_> hey does anyone know what the Ubuntu position is on Wine?  I see it's not an approved package in the repository.
[05:57] <Crane> I've gotCloudchaser: the same problem
[05:57] <Cloudchaser_> i remember back when i used kde file browser
[05:57] <Cloudchaser_> i had same sort of issue
[05:57] <Cloudchaser_> until i used the super user file browser
[05:57] <Cloudchaser_> so
[05:57] <Cloudchaser_> do you think its the whole sudo thing thats the issue?
[05:57] <lordan> hm.. that's interesting, I hardly ever had problems browsing the n/w in kde.
[05:58] <DeviantDog> anyone here have doom3 installed in ubuntu warty?
[05:58] <newbiewan> carajean, best to try a few, then set up something more stable for the longer term. I haven't installed ubuntu yet, got part way thru its install and stopped at the partitioning issue.
[05:58] <Cloudchaser_> i could browse it but couldn't write things
[05:58] <lordan> smb worked fine.. ssh (fish://) worked fine.
[05:58] <Xenguy> snipes420: this looks cool - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Picubuntu-recommended.png
[05:58] <lordan> Sounds like a permission issue on the other end then.
[05:58] <Cloudchaser_> the permissions of the shares in the gui are "root, root"
[05:58] <Cloudchaser_> well i'm not root
[05:59] <CheatersRealm> can someone please tell me what is in their .xinitrc?
[05:59] <CheatersRealm> (by default)
[05:59] <lordan> CheatersRealm, absolutely nothing
[05:59] <CheatersRealm> lordan, are you sure?
[05:59] <ChrisC_> DeviantDog:  I tried but gave up; it went into a weird X mode after the splash screen
[05:59] <CheatersRealm> cuz it loads that top and bottom bar thing
[05:59] <lordan> file doesn't even exist in my $HOME
[05:59] <ChrisC_> note: I'm a n00b
[06:00] <carajean> yeah i ran into that root cannot be found thing earlier when i tried to install linux in the ame partition it was in before i had to reformat windows
[06:00] <Cloudchaser_> lordan, its a windows pc and hmm let me set up a user named root
[06:00] <DeviantDog> I have it working I just can't get sound
[06:00] <carajean> me to chris
[06:00] <Cloudchaser_> but the pw..it would be my own pw?
[06:00] <CheatersRealm> lordan, thanks
[06:00] <ChrisC_> DeviantDog, what kind of video hardware do you have?
[06:01] <Ayden> Anybody know how i right click with the powerpc version of ubuntu?
[06:01] <Cloudchaser_> i guess i could post to the ubuntu forus
[06:01] <Cloudchaser_> forums
[06:01] <lordan> CheatersRealm, what problems are you facing there?
[06:01] <newbiewan> carajean, hang around here or at the ubuntu site - there may be a claer explaination how to dual install ubuntu, mean time, hope that helped.
[06:02] <DeviantDog> ati 9800 pro
[06:02] <lordan> CloudChaser, you need to specify the username of an account that exists on your windows box
[06:02] <lordan> and has write access to the share
[06:02] <Cloudchaser_> i did
[06:02] <Cloudchaser_> i made a user
[06:02] <Cloudchaser_> and gave them admin rights
[06:02] <lordan> and when you connect are you prompted for a password?
[06:03] <carajean> it did help thanks i will hang around im not givin up on linux yet plus it only been a day windows has been rapin me for years
[06:03] <ChrisC_> ah, I've got nvidia, funny thing is that nvidia is generally considered to work better on Linux than ATI.  Oh well.
[06:03] <DeviantDog> I wonder if anyone here has gotten sound out of Doom3?
[06:03] <Cloudchaser_> no prompt for password
[06:03] <Ayden> does anybody use ppc here?
[06:04] <carajean> how do i get limewire to completely close
[06:04] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, does it go straight on to tell you that you don't have permission instead?
[06:04] <Cloudchaser_> yes
[06:04] <Ayden> carajean, it's in the preferences
[06:04] <CheatersRealm> lordan, I can't seem to get the top and bottom bars to come up after I login.
[06:04] <CheatersRealm> what command should I run to try to start them manually?
[06:04] <lordan> CheatersRealm, a known problem
[06:04] <carajean> ok thanks
[06:05] <lordan> try gnome-panel & from a terminal and see what happens
[06:05] <lordan> you may get loads of annoying errors about "panel already running"
[06:05] <newbiewan> carajean, I made the break from Windows a year ago, clean break last Apr, this box is pure Linux. Tried about 20 livecds and several installs: Linspire, SuSE, MEPIS, PCLinuxOS. I'm on PCLinuxOS now. Have ubuntu ready...
[06:05] <Cloudchaser_> lordan remember i can mount the share from command line and view the file listings
[06:06] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, I also experience the same thing from time to time.
[06:06] <carajean> this is or was suppose to be cold turkey but i just bought world of warcraft and cant get cedega to work so i might go back for a minute
[06:06] <carajean> unless i can find a solution to that problem
[06:06] <lordan> It's never been a high-priority issue for me though
[06:07] <Cloudchaser_> right now its not working at all to even see the pc's
[06:07] <lordan> but i'll investigate
[06:07] <CheatersRealm> lordan, try command not found :)
[06:07] <Cloudchaser_> i have alot of files on a desktop pc
[06:07] <Cloudchaser_> this is a laptop
[06:07] <Cloudchaser_> so i like to have access to the files ;)
[06:07] <lordan> CheatersRealm, are you sure you have gnome-panel installed
[06:07] <Cloudchaser_> now i think i've messed something up even more
[06:07] <CheatersRealm> why do you think I needed to know the command to run the panels? :) it's apting now
[06:07] <CheatersRealm> thx lordan
[06:08] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, I'll investigate after a few hours of sleep..
[06:08] <CheatersRealm> lordan, before it wouldn't even boot to gdm.
[06:08] <Cloudchaser_> thanks lordan i'll keep at it but i have to go to work in an hour
[06:08] <Cloudchaser_> so i probly won't get to it again til after the holidaya
[06:08] <lordan> CheatersRealm, haven't had that problem myself
[06:08] <carajean> anybody know how to get cedega to work i tried there channel but got no help
[06:08] <Cloudchaser_> i've set up samba before and had no issues
[06:09] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, for the time being you may have to use smbclient or smbmount
[06:09] <CheatersRealm> lordan, what apt package has the mixer applet?
[06:09] <Cloudchaser_> yes but then i have to copy things via command line ewwwie
[06:10] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, not really, at least not if you use smbmount
[06:10] <lordan> put up a link on the desktop to you mount point
[06:10] <Cloudchaser_> how do i get to see it then?
[06:10] <Cloudchaser_> oh
[06:10] <lordan> and then just use the normal d'n'd..
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> which program do i install for cd writin/erasing? i want something like K3b
[06:11] <Cloudchaser_> i think i need to restart
[06:11] <Cloudchaser_> things aren't working at all
[06:11] <lordan> CheatersRealm, look for a package called gnome-panel-applets
[06:11] <Cloudchaser_> like...making a desktop shortcut
[06:11] <CheatersRealm> :)
[06:11] <lordan> or something like that
[06:11] <CheatersRealm> gnome-applets
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> which program do i install for cd writin/erasing? i want something like K3b
[06:11] <CheatersRealm> <- not a noob to linux, just to apt and ubuntu
[06:11] <lordan> Cloudchaser, something like that yead
[06:12] <lordan> yead == yeah
[06:12] <Cloudchaser_> i think maybe nautilus is..mad at me ;)
[06:12] <lordan> CheatersRealm, that's ok, just enjoy the ride :)
[06:12] <Cloudchaser_> brb
[06:12] <lordan> Cloudchaser, Nautilus is mad, period
[06:13] <Crane> I have the same issues as cloudchaser
[06:14] <lordan> Crane, at least it means you're not alone ;-)
[06:14] <Crane> lol
[06:14] <Crane> :)
[06:14] <CheatersRealm> lordan, yay, it finally boots & logs in right
[06:14] <Crane> so far I'm enjoying Ubuntu
[06:14] <CheatersRealm> lordan, thanks a bunch... the # is helpful as always
[06:14] <lordan> CheatersRealm, cool
[06:14] <CheatersRealm> I intentionally broke ubuntu (basically) and I just got it back up
[06:15] <CheatersRealm> stupid nvidia.. that's who's fault it is.
[06:15] <Crane> ?
[06:15] <Crane> nvidia?
[06:15] <da_bon_bon> please help me: i want a program to create cds, something like K3B
[06:15] <CheatersRealm> Crane, I tried to upgrade to hoary after installing nvidia drivers, and I edited the XF86Config-4 manually
[06:16] <Crane> aahhhh
[06:16] <lordan> da_bon_bon, if you want a gnome app, you'll have to excercise some patience..
[06:16] <Ayden> how in the hell do i right click?
[06:17] <Crane> with the right mouse buttom
[06:17] <Crane> :P
[06:17] <Crane> J/K
[06:17] <Ayden> where is it?
[06:17] <lordan> lol@Crane
[06:17] <CheatersRealm> heh, glxgears doesn't work.
[06:17] <Crane> ???
[06:17] <da_bon_bon> lordan: why? none exists?
[06:17] <crimsun> CheatersRealm: in what?
[06:17] <lordan> there are a few in "heavy" development
[06:18] <Crane> Ayden ????
[06:18] <Ayden> where the hell is the right click button on the powerpc edition of ubuntu?
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> lordan: where do i get one, if possible?
[06:18] <lordan> coaster is probably the one that gets most airtime
[06:18] <Crane> ooohhhh
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> lordan: isnt groat, or gcdcreator ok?
[06:18] <Crane> Sorry I am not familiar with that
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> lordan: how do i install coast on warty?
[06:18] <lordan> da_bon_bon, check out http://www.gnomefiles.org
[06:18] <lordan> may give you some ideas
[06:19] <lordan> da_bon_bon, you don't
[06:19] <crimsun> 'gcombust' is in the 'universe' repo
[06:19] <lordan> unless you want to compile it yourself
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: hi. howz gcombust?
[06:19] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: I use cdrecord directly.
[06:20] <CheatersRealm> crimsun, it can't get a double buffered visual or somesuch
[06:20] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i am installing it
[06:20] <crimsun> CheatersRealm: using what hardware with which ubuntu dist?
[06:21] <CheatersRealm> nvidia/hoary
[06:21] <crimsun> CheatersRealm: known issue. There are two bugs open in bugzilla about it.
[06:21] <CheatersRealm> crimsun, workarounds?
[06:21] <Crane> Ayden: have you tried shift click or ctrl click or something like that?
[06:21] <Crane> just guessing
[06:22] <crimsun> CheatersRealm: one is described in bugzilla.
[06:22] <crimsun> CheatersRealm: fwiw, "it works for me"
[06:22] <CheatersRealm> crimsun, bug number?
[06:23] <Ayden> Crane yes
[06:23] <crimsun> CheatersRealm: please use bugzilla :)
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> OMG, gcombust is sooo ugly...
[06:23] <lordan> CheatersRealm, you may also want to read up in gentoo forums about xorg/nvidia
[06:23] <lordan> I remember there was quite a bit of discussion wrt problems there
[06:23] <lordan> maybe you'll find something useful
[06:23] <CheatersRealm> crimsun, lordan k thanks
[06:25] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i found that xcdroast is better than gcombust
[06:26] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: then use xcdroast :)
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: was just informing u... i am apt-getting it now.
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> whats aptitude?
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> whats aptitude?
[06:27] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, package manager
[06:27] <crimsun> it's a front end to apt
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: its a GUI or just CLI ?
[06:28] <lordan> well, a cli gui
[06:28] <da_bon_bon> lordan: :) meaning?
[06:28] <da_bon_bon> lordan: something like lynx ?
[06:28] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, it's got menus and stuff just like the isntaller for ubuntu or lynx yeah
[06:28] <lordan> something like that yes
[06:29] <lordan> maybe i should have called it clui
[06:29] <Grexo> hi
[06:29] <CheatersRealm> lordan, is it curses?
[06:29] <Grexo> ubuntu hoary f0cked up my windows
[06:29] <lordan> yes, i guess so
[06:29] <da_bon_bon> lordan: it then still is "command line use interface" ;) :D
[06:30] <Grexo> i should have used the ntbootloader
[06:30] <Grexo> grub is bugged
[06:30] <Grexo> it wont let me use windows
[06:30] <Grexo> i went into windows and it wouldnt boot
[06:30] <Grexo> i had to reboot my puter
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> Grexo: i dont have any rpbolems with grub....
[06:30] <lordan> Grexo, that sounds like a good thing..
[06:30] <Grexo> it just gave me a blank screen
[06:30] <Grexo> when i tried to get into windows
[06:31] <Grexo> so i deleted ubuntu
[06:31] <lordan> CheatersRealm, I'm sure it is. Will have to peek at it
[06:31] <Grexo> i guess it aint ready for primetime yet
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> Grexo: man u did that wrong..
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> Grexo: its much better than the hyped distros like FC and SuSE
[06:31] <lordan> Grexo, "works for me"
[06:31] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, i'm having troubles getting my wireless nic working, I have an averatec 6100 laptop.
[06:31] <Grexo> da:  Prolly
[06:31] <Grexo> da:  Grub needs fixin
[06:32] <CheatersRealm> Grexo, I'm pretty sure grub is plenty capable of dual booting windows and linux
[06:32] <da_bon_bon> Grexo: mine worked out of box.
[06:32] <CheatersRealm> perhaps you had a mistake?
[06:33] <Grexo> ubuntu is nice but not for me
[06:33] <Grexo> ill stick to windows
[06:33] <Grexo> for now
[06:33] <Grexo> i got 3 cds for ubuntu in the mail
[06:33] <Grexo> ill give em out
[06:33] <Grexo> ubuntu has promise
[06:33] <lordan> Grexo, you said you installed hoary right?
[06:33] <Grexo> but not ready yet for primetime
[06:33] <Grexo> lordan:  Warty + hoaryt
[06:33] <Grexo> it happened with both
[06:33] <CheatersRealm> Grexo, I'm pretty sure warty is ready for primetime.
[06:34] <Cloudchaser> ok lordan, rebooted..mounted the share via command line, then went to "Computer" Filesystem/mnt/share...see the share there and DC it and got the waiting circle thingy
[06:34] <CheatersRealm> Grexo, you running a non-mainstream mobo or something?
[06:34] <Grexo> no
[06:34] <CheatersRealm> wierd.
[06:34] <lordan> Cloudchaser, give it some time
[06:34] <lordan> it can be really slow at times
[06:34] <CheatersRealm> well I don't have time to troubleshoot, because I must be up in 5 and a half hours to swim
[06:34] <Cloudchaser> do i have to set something so the filebrowser uses username/pw like sudo it?
[06:34] <CheatersRealm> Grexo, your problems can probably be pretty easily fixed with re-installing grubn
[06:35] <funky> hi
[06:35] <Cloudchaser> oh it finally came up! :)
[06:35] <lordan> Grexo, never heard of anybody having probs dual-booting warty+winDOS
[06:35] <lordan> as for hoary, well, it's in development so it's not ready for primetime
[06:35] <lordan> but it will be in March
[06:36] <lordan> Cloudchaser, cool
[06:36] <lordan> can you write to the share?
[06:36] <Cloudchaser> cept i can't write to it
[06:36] <lordan> goshdarn!
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> and i have privs on the the share
[06:37] <lordan> Just to be on the safe side, can you try to mount the share with smbmount
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> grrr
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> i did that
[06:37] <lordan> and then copy some file to the share
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> i think anyway
[06:37] <lordan> and it worked
[06:37] <lordan> ??
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> sudo mount //chrisibm/chrisibmc /mnt/ChrisC -t smbfs -o
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> like that
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> with the pw and username
[06:38] <lordan> yeah
[06:38] <Grexo> life
[06:38] <Grexo> the neverending quest
[06:38] <Grexo> for what i dunno
[06:38] <Grexo> from nothingness to technological wonders
[06:38] <Cloudchaser> hmm can't cd to "Documents and Settings"
[06:39] <Grexo> commercial vs opensource
[06:39] <Grexo> capitalism vs opensource
[06:39] <lordan> Cloudchaser, add some backslashes
[06:39] <Grexo> alala
[06:39] <Cloudchaser> oh i got it ;)
[06:39] <Cloudchaser> wrong " mark
[06:39] <lordan> Grexo, snap out of it!
[06:39] <Grexo> lol
[06:40] <Grexo> lordan ehhh?
[06:40] <Grexo> the recurring dream
[06:40] <Grexo> the code
[06:40] <Grexo> ERROR!
[06:40] <lordan> Grexo, you seem to be losing the plot ;-)
[06:40] <Grexo> i think i saw the human programming code
[06:40] <Grexo> we are just 0s and 1s
[06:40] <Grexo> :P
[06:41] <Cloudchaser> permission denied ;(
[06:41] <Grexo> ROFL
[06:41] <Grexo> your linux based
[06:41] <lordan> oh oh, i think we need a #ubuntu-philosophy
[06:41] <Grexo> cant get in
[06:41] <crimsun> there's always #offtopic
[06:41] <Grexo> ur uber secure
[06:41] <Cloudchaser> okk now i''ll try with the masks and see what happens
[06:41] <crimsun> or I guess #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:43] <lordan> Grexo, there are some bugs in my new code.
[06:43] <Grexo> uhh what was i saying uhhh
[06:43] <Grexo> ya uhmmm
[06:43] <Grexo> im giddy now
[06:43] <lordan> Cloudchaser, gotta head off to work
[06:43] <Grexo> hah hah ha
[06:43] <Cloudchaser> me too shortly
[06:44] <lordan> b back in a few hours
[06:44] <Cloudchaser> thanks for all your help!
[06:44] <lordan> let me know how it goes, yeah?
[06:44] <Cloudchaser> i won't be back for 8 hours then i'll have to sleep ;)
[06:44] <Cloudchaser> i will let you know how it all goes
[06:44] <lordan> lol@Cloudchaser
[06:44] <jabra> can someone help me with a pcmcica problem: pcmcia_socket0 time out after reset
[06:44] <lordan> seems you have xmas all planned out then.
[06:44] <lamont> is cupsys able to export a bsd-lp port listener?
[06:46] <Cloudchaser> ok cool
[06:46] <Cloudchaser> got to write to my share ;)
[06:46] <Grexo> that didnt take long hah hah
[06:47] <neuro_> did you say "jehovah"?
[06:48] <Cloudchaser> is there any way to make it so when you dc on a folder in the file browser, it opens in the same window?
[06:49] <Cloudchaser> i looked in preferences...didn't see a way though
[06:50] <mgiles> why is it that when my laptop starts up the samba daemons fail to start, but manually I can start them no problem?
[06:50] <jabra> pcmcia is having problems on my laptop
[06:51] <DeviantDog> anyone her know any fixed with sound and doom3?
[06:52] <Cloudchaser> well it looks like many others have same network browsing issue as i do, but no solution was posted
[06:53] <neuro_> Cloudchaser: try: gconf-editor -> change /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser to true
[06:53] <neuro_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus_file_manager :)
[06:53] <neuro_> of all places
[06:53] <Cloudchaser> sorry i usually look it up first
[06:54] <neuro_> np
[06:54] <Cloudchaser> i had looked in prefs though which is where i'd expect it
[06:54] <Cloudchaser> silly me
[06:54] <neuro_> there should be a ui switch in 2.8 allegedly
[06:54] <carajean> hey can someone help me real quick
[06:55] <carajean> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[06:55] <carajean> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[06:55] <carajean> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[06:55] <carajean> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[06:55] <carajean> ## repository.
[06:55] <carajean> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[06:55] <carajean> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[06:55] <carajean> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[06:55] <carajean> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[06:55] <carajean> ## team.
[06:55] <carajean> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[06:55] <carajean> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[06:55] <carajean> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[06:55] <carajean> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[06:55] <carajean> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[06:55] <carajean> why on earth does my video cards file say that
[06:55] <neuro_> floodtastic, batman!
[06:55] <funky> carajean: well done, motherfucker
[06:55] <carajean> yeah lol
[06:55] <carajean> i know
[06:55] <heero17> hi
[06:56] <carajean> tell me how to fix it and i will leave
[06:56] <neuro_> help, i'm being held hostage! :)
[06:56] <funky> carajean: no, fuck you with your problem
[06:56] <funky> and leave
[06:56] <neuro_> funky: hey, chill dude
[06:56] <neuro_> festive season, peace and goodwill, etc :)
[06:57] <heero17> lol
[06:57] <funky> and learn some about nettiquete
[06:57] <heero17> peace and linux for the world
[06:57] <funky> peace and emacs for all
[06:57] <neuro_> vi, dammit!
[06:57] <heero17> lol
[06:57] <heero17> >D
[06:57] <funky> :D
[06:58] <dr_willis> i dident even see him state what his problem really was
[06:58] <Crane> Cloudchaser did you find it
[06:58] <neuro_> looks like his "drivers file" was a sources.list
[06:58] <Cloudchaser> i found the wiki thing
[06:58] <Cloudchaser> but i don't know how to find gconf editor..searching for that now
[06:59] <Crane> computer>desktop preferances>file management
[07:00] <Crane> click behavior tab and select always open in browser window
[07:00] <Crane> that will keep multiple windows from opening
[07:00] <Cloudchaser> ah i did see that earlier but didn't know thats what it meant ;)
[07:00] <Cloudchaser> i'd have never figured that out from that wiki thing
[07:00] <heero17> ~~~
[07:00] <Crane> me neither, someone told me
[07:00] <Crane> :)
[07:01] <Crane> I really enjoy this distro so far and the peeps around here are friendly too
[07:01] <Crane> Now if we could just fix this samba problem:)
[07:01] <Cloudchaser> i like the distro alot too with a few minor annoyances
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> ok well i got samba working
[07:02] <Crane> you did
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> its the network browser that isn't working
[07:02] <Crane> not fair
[07:02] <Crane> lol
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> and thats an issue that others have posted about with no solutions posted
[07:02] <Crane> same here
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> i have to get ready for work
[07:02] <Crane> k
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> but in a couple days..like after xmas
[07:02] <Crane> talk to ya later
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> i'll walk you through it all
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> if you want
[07:03] <Crane> yea that would be great thanks
[07:03] <Cloudchaser> np i've done samba before but the browser thing got me off track
[07:03] <Cloudchaser> once you can connect command line
[07:03] <Cloudchaser> you can set up /etc/fstab to do it automatically
[07:03] <Crane> yea I'd like to get the browser working as well
[07:03] <Crane> ahh mount samba shares
[07:04] <Cloudchaser> yah i'm trying to copy file over now through the file manager
[07:04] <Cloudchaser> seems to not be working too well
[07:04] <Crane> :/
[07:04] <Cloudchaser> i dragged a file over
[07:05] <Cloudchaser> and in the window i dragged it to it shows a file ".vfs-write.tmp"
[07:05] <Cloudchaser> and its kinda locked up (the window)
[07:05] <Cloudchaser> i'll have to work on that
[07:05] <Cloudchaser> when i get more time
[07:06] <Crane> cool
[07:06] <da_name_is_taken> hi
[07:06] <Crane> hello
[07:06] <da_name_is_taken> I have a bunch of files to rename from name.txt.0002   (name.txt.number)  to  name0002.txt (namenumber.txt). Any easy way to do this?
[07:06] <funky> i hate nicks more than 4 letters
[07:06] <da_name_is_taken> sorry, i really AM!
[07:06] <funky> like mine
[07:07] <alka_trash> hey all
[07:07] <Crane> lol@funk
[07:07] <Crane> hello
[07:08] <da_name_is_taken> nobody knows :(
[07:08] <Crane> sorry I don't hav a clue
[07:08] <funk> da_name_is_taken: man rename
[07:09] <etorix> vican do that prolly
[07:09] <Crane> lol
[07:09] <Crane> just call him da_
[07:09] <funk> :D
[07:09] <da_name_is_taken> funk: rename ain't capable of that alone
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> which is the default icon for firefox in start bar ?
[07:10] <heero17> hola
[07:10] <heero17> hi
[07:10] <mgiles> Does anyone know why is it that when my laptop starts up the samba daemons fail to start, but manually I can start them no problem?
[07:10] <Crane> aloh
[07:10] <etorix> one of the heavy editors can i bet
[07:10] <Crane> ih
[07:10] <Crane> hi
[07:10] <da_bon_bon> which is the default icon for firefox in start bar ?
[07:10] <funk> da_name_is_taken: you can do it just using rename
[07:11] <Crane> lol
[07:11] <heero17> mgiles
[07:11] <mgiles> heero17, yeah?
[07:11] <heero17> u have has plug the ethernet cable
[07:11] <heero17> after to boot?
[07:11] <Crane> da_name: he is talking about your name not batch file renaming
[07:12] <mgiles> heero17, nope before... ahh but I don't enable the eth1 port till after its booted and I've logged in.. is that whats going on?
[07:12] <alka_trash> ubuntu/hoary/unstable is being unstable ( acpi is crapping out )
[07:12] <|QuaD-> alka_trash: more detaiL please... by the way, it is expected
[07:12] <|QuaD-> alka_trash: did you file a bug report?
[07:13] <heero17> mmm
[07:13] <alka_trash> oh I should do that shouldn't I
[07:13] <|QuaD-> ya
[07:13] <Crane> lol
[07:14] <alka_trash> I'll do that, it's just not booting into gnome with acpi on, I turned it off and it's working, but now I can't bring up gnome-terminal,  I checked dmesg and irq are not get assigned properly. time to fire of bug-buddy *first time*
[07:16] <Cloudchaser> this is too wonky...the filemanager and network shares thing
[07:18] <Crane> Coudchaser: I wonder if it's a gnome thing
[07:18] <Cloudchaser> well now after i tried to drag a file over
[07:18] <Cloudchaser> i can't see any files in the share, although it says there's 23 items there
[07:18] <neuro_> maybe they're shy
[07:18] <Cloudchaser> so i can't look to see if the file actually copied
[07:19] <Crane> :(
[07:19] <sirrahtap> hey
[07:19] <sirrahtap> i'm a new user with a question (hopefully quick)
[07:20] <sirrahtap> my hard drive is set to read only, and i can't figure out how to change that
[07:20] <sirrahtap> can anyone help me?
[07:20] <Crane> sirrahtap you hard drive?
[07:21] <Crane> hda1?
[07:21] <sirrahtap> yeah
[07:21] <Crane> hda?
[07:21] <Crane> do you have ubuntu installed?
[07:21] <sirrahtap> hda1
[07:21] <sirrahtap> yeah, i'm using it now
[07:21] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: your primary hd?
[07:21] <Crane> can you right to you home directory?
[07:22] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: if you are using your comp, i HIGHLY doubt your primary hd is set to read only
[07:22] <Crane> What are outrying to do?
[07:22] <Crane> outrying=you trying
[07:23] <Crane> lol
[07:23] <sirrahtap> well, i usually run xp but its gotten all messed up and it won't even start anymore, so i'm trying to get into my harddrive to retrieve some stuff because i think i'm going to have to format
[07:23] <sirrahtap> and i have a few things that i haven't backed up
[07:24] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: is it an ntfs drive?
[07:24] <crimsun> sirrahtap: sudo hdparm -r /dev/hda
[07:24] <|QuaD-> my guess that is why it is read only
[07:24] <plasmo> use a live cd then
[07:24] <sirrahtap> ?
[07:24] <sirrahtap> i'm using alive cd right now
[07:24] <crimsun> sirrahtap: run that command from a terminal
[07:24] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: what filesystem is on your win hd
[07:24] <sirrahtap> that is the only way i can get my comp to run
[07:25] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: you probably have an ntfs drive and can't write to it
[07:25] <plasmo> probli ntfs then :S?
[07:25] <sirrahtap> xp
[07:25] <|QuaD-> plasmo: as i said
[07:25] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: what filesystem
[07:25] <sirrahtap> whats ntfs?
[07:25] <plasmo> yeah its probli ntfs lol
[07:25] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: fat or ntfs?
[07:25] <sirrahtap> sorry, i'm not a big computer guy
[07:25] <lathiat> if your trying to retriece that you dont need write
[07:25] <neuro_> 'mount' should tell you
[07:25] <lathiat> *retrieve
[07:25] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: ntfs=NT File System
[07:25] <sirrahtap> ok, i think it is ntfs
[07:26] <sirrahtap> i also wanted to try and delete some stuff that i thought could be causing the problem
[07:26] <etorix> but its not booting?
[07:26] <sirrahtap> because it started after i installed some software and i wanted to see if i deleted that if it would start in windows again
[07:26] <sirrahtap> yeah, it freezes before getting to my desktop
[07:26] <crimsun> sirrahtap: did you run that command I gave you?
[07:26] <neuro_> try using a system rescue CD
[07:26] <etorix> o it does boot
[07:26] <neuro_> http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+ntfs+rescue+CD
[07:26] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: did you try safe mode?
[07:26] <plasmo> tried safemode?
[07:26] <Crane> sirrah: have you tried using your windows XP cd to fix it?
[07:27] <|QuaD-> plasmo: beat you again
[07:27] <sirrahtap> safemode doesn't work
[07:27] <plasmo> lol
[07:27] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: y
[07:27] <|QuaD-> it should
[07:27] <|QuaD-> if it is software based
[07:27] <neuro_> XP CDs are useless as restore tools unless you keep your recovery floppies up to date
[07:27] <neuro_> and even then ...
[07:27] <sirrahtap> it locks up, just the same as if i try a normal boot
[07:27] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: then you fubarred windows
[07:28] <sirrahtap> thats what i was afraid of
[07:28] <|QuaD-> so put linux on instead
[07:28] <Crane> do you have another windows computer?
[07:28] <Crane> XP?
[07:29] <|QuaD-> neuro_: i was thinking that
[07:29] <plasmo> #microsoft
[07:29] <plasmo> lol
[07:29] <neuro_> no offence like :)
[07:29] <|QuaD-> #sucker
[07:29] <sirrahtap> no, my original question wasn't about microsoft
[07:29] <Crane> lol
[07:29] <sirrahtap> its how to read and write on hda
[07:29] <neuro_> sirrahtap: try that google url i posted about rescue CDs which will r/w ntfs partitions
[07:29] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: wasn't about ubuntu either
[07:29] <neuro_> all else, check out http://support.microsoft.com/
[07:30] <plasmo> use ntfs captive or something
[07:30] <MasterFox> Hello, folks. Was wondering if someone could help me in getting gamma boosted on my monitor.
[07:30] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: use format c:
[07:31] <neuro_> intrepid:~> format C:
[07:31] <neuro_> format: Command not found.
[07:31] <neuro_> bit useless on linux :>
[07:31] <pw> MasterFox: xgamma -gamma <gamma>
[07:31] <|QuaD-> neuro_: sudo rm -fR /
[07:31] <Cloudchaser> crane
[07:31] <Cloudchaser> apparently there's a gnome-vfs bug
[07:31] <neuro_> intrepid:~> sudo rm -fR /
[07:31] <neuro_> sudo: Command not found.
[07:31] <neuro_> |QuaD-: wow, you're really crapping out here :>
[07:31] <|QuaD-> neuro_: you on linux
[07:32] <Cloudchaser> can try something called xsmbrowser to browse shares
[07:32] <neuro_> me? now? here? typing into?
[07:32] <neuro_> no
[07:32] <MasterFox> Thanks!
[07:32] <|QuaD-> oh, i thought you were typing that in a terminal
[07:32] <neuro_> i was
[07:32] <|QuaD-> an ubuntu terminal?
[07:32] <neuro_> sarge
[07:32] <plasmo> type this in the terminal
[07:32] <plasmo> echo '82 43/25 43+65P80P82P73P76P32P70P79P79P76P10P' | dc
[07:32] <plasmo> lol
[07:32] <|QuaD-> that doesn't owrk in sarge?
[07:32] <|QuaD-> why?
[07:32] <|QuaD-> i thought it should
[07:33] <neuro_> why would it if i don't have sudo installed?
[07:33] <|QuaD-> oh
[07:33] <|QuaD-> good point
[07:33] <neuro_> :)
[07:33] <|QuaD-> so type su
[07:33] <|QuaD-> enter your pw
[07:33] <|QuaD-> then rm -fR /
[07:33] <neuro_> intrepid:~> su
[07:33] <neuro_> Password:
[07:33] <neuro_> su: Authentication failure
[07:33] <neuro_> Sorry.
[07:33] <neuro_> my password didn't work :P
[07:33] <plasmo> lol
[07:33] <sirrahtap> so crimsun, when you said sirrahtap: sudo hdparm -r /dev/hda
[07:33] <|QuaD-> neuro_: blah your no fun
[07:33] <sirrahtap> where am i supposed to do that (yeah i know, i don't know jack about this stuff)
[07:33] <neuro_> :>
[07:34] <MasterFox> Ok, and now for a toughy.. With having no money, how would one find a Linuxant License. :)
[07:34] <|QuaD-> neuro_: i will have a contest, whose rm -fR / will wipe out their hardisk faster?
[07:34] <neuro_> MasterFox: by spending money?
[07:34] <plasmo> wats a linuxant license o_O
[07:34] <|QuaD-> wanna go?
[07:34] <neuro_> yeah sure, on you go
[07:34] <|QuaD-> i already started
[07:34] <|QuaD-> start quickly
[07:34] <MasterFox> neuro_, :P
[07:34] <|QuaD-> so you don't lose
[07:34] <pw> mine's finished
[07:34] <pw> y'all lose
[07:34] <neuro_> mine finished ages ago
[07:35] <neuro_> you *all* suck
[07:35] <neuro_> well, most of you
[07:35] <|QuaD-> i guess it sucks having 2 TB of hd :(
[07:35] <neuro_> 2 tb, that all?
[07:35] <plasmo> 2tb.. -_-
[07:35] <|QuaD-> actually 240 gigs... but i can pretend
[07:36] <neuro_> aww, bless :)
[07:36] <|QuaD-> how much you got? like 8 TB
[07:36] <neuro_> nothing so exciting
[07:37] <neuro_> 300 gig here, 100 gig there
[07:37] <neuro_> more at the office tho
[07:37] <neuro_> storage arrays rock
[07:37] <MasterFox> ok, im; out thanks
[07:37] <plasmo> 37gigs here. quite small :)
[07:37] <|QuaD-> thats like mine.... i was just referring to this comp
[07:37] <neuro_> plasmo: it's not the size ... :>
[07:37] <|QuaD-> my ex gf always told me its not the size its how you use it
[07:37] <plasmo> :o
[07:37] <|QuaD-> i don't understand why though
[07:38] <neuro_> maybe she was trying to tell you something
[07:38] <neuro_> "stop sticking it there"?
[07:38] <|QuaD-> that i wasn't using my hd space well?
[07:38] <neuro_> "is it in yet"?
[07:38] <|QuaD-> haha.... or that it was too big and i didn't use it well
[07:38] <neuro_> "but honey, i thought removable HDDs were *meant* to go in that way!"
[07:39] <|QuaD-> lol
[07:39] <plasmo> lol!
[07:39] <diego> hi all
[07:39] <Crane> well I'm off to bed.
[07:39] <Crane> Cyaz later
[07:39] <plasmo> ahlo
[07:39] <plasmo> nite
[07:39] <neuro_> 2h20m til i need to be in work :P
[07:40] <neuro_> |QuaD-: which one, cobol?  fortran?  ada?
[07:40] <plasmo> work?! christmas
[07:40] <|QuaD-> nesC
[07:40] <diego> |QuaD-: bf?
[07:40] <|QuaD-> worse then al those
[07:40] <neuro_> plasmo: on call
[07:40] <diego> worse than bf? doubtful
[07:40] <plasmo> sucks :/
[07:40] <|QuaD-> diego: bf?
[07:40] <neuro_> ISPs don't close at christmas :P
[07:40] <crimsun> none of those languages are horrid, neuro_ :)
[07:40] <diego> |QuaD-: brainf***
[07:40] <|QuaD-> diego: have you TRIED nesC?
[07:40] <neuro_> crimsun: you jest :>
[07:40] <neuro_> cobol is fouler than foul
[07:40] <diego> |QuaD-: nope
[07:40] <neuro_> even fouler than whitespace
[07:41] <|QuaD-> nesC is like satan's version of C
[07:41] <plasmo> mine does. they leave the monkeys in charge :D
[07:41] <crimsun> neuro_: I do not. I use F90 and Ada fairly regularly in my research.
[07:41] <|QuaD-> and there is little to NO documentation on the language!
[07:41] <neuro_> ok, ada you can have
[07:41] <neuro_> plasmo: but what are you suggesting?  ook?  :>
[07:42] <plasmo> dunno @_@
[07:42] <neuro_> hot cross?
[07:43] <|QuaD-> if anyone here knows nesC SAVE ME
[07:43] <neuro_> ook, 0643 and /me hears updatedb running around the room
[07:43] <crimsun> you must have a huge HD
[07:44] <crimsun> by 0640 both AIDE and update have finished on my 80 GB
[07:44] <|QuaD-> crimsun: he said 9TB
[07:44] <crimsun> ah
[07:44] <|QuaD-> i don't know how long my 240gig take
[07:44] <neuro_> crimsun: when did they start?
[07:44] <crimsun> 0625
[07:44] <crimsun> I have 1.
[07:44] <crimsun> ;)
[07:44] <|QuaD-> i ahve 2
[07:44] <neuro_> and updatedb starts at 0643
[07:45] <neuro_> hence my comment
[07:45] <crimsun> standard Debian: 25 6    * * *   root    test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
[07:46] <|QuaD-> hmm, its not in my crontab
[07:46] <|QuaD-> where else would it be
[07:46] <neuro_> updatedb starts poking at a noisy drive at 0643 :>
[07:47] <crimsun> |QuaD-: hmm, are you doing this on tiny* stuff?
[07:47] <|QuaD-> crimsun: what the nesC or my cron?
[07:47] <crimsun> |QuaD-: the former
[07:48] <|QuaD-> crimsun: tinyOS is the os that the programs i am writing will run on
[07:48] <crimsun> |QuaD-: right. I'm vaguely familiar with it.
[07:49] <crimsun> friend of mine's research was stripping tinysec's rc5 base and replacing it with modified rc4 for lower power consumption
[07:49] <|QuaD-> crimsun: interesting
[07:49] <|QuaD-> doesn't help my bug though!
[07:49] <crimsun> probably not! ;)
[07:50] <|QuaD-> it should be easy to find
[07:50] <|QuaD-> !
[07:50] <crimsun> eww, go away, EruditeHermit. ;)
[07:50] <EruditeHermit> =(
[07:57] <EruditeHermit> crimsun: so I just add the ubuntu mirror, and apt-get install xserver-xorg ?
[07:57] <EruditeHermit> crimsun: and remove xfree86
[08:00] <bur[n] er_> anyone want/need a gmail account?
[08:00] <bur[n] er_> i was just given a bunch of invites...  if not, carry on with general ubuntu banter ;)
[08:00] <plasmo> im still with hotmail lol :d
[08:01] <diego> bur[n] er_: how would you need a gmail account? surely life can be sustained without one
[08:01] <bur[n] er_> to each their own
[08:01] <bur[n] er_> diego: possibly
[08:01] <bur[n] er_> i dunno if i would live without it... there is a chance i may not
[08:01] <diego> i've only gotten 1 batch of invites, not sure why
[08:01] <bur[n] er_> wow... that wasn't even witty... i'm too tired ;)
[08:01] <diego> used them all up and never got any more
[08:01] <bur[n] er_> i'm on my 4th batch
[08:01] <bur[n] er_> i think
[08:02] <etorix> i just got 6 more invites
[08:02] <bur[n] er_> this is the biggest number yet though
[08:02] <bur[n] er_> i got 8 more
[08:02] <bur[n] er_> :)
[08:02] <plasmo> woah
[08:02] <bur[n] er_> it is good stuff if you're a hotmailer ;)
[08:02] <plasmo> yeah i just use evolution with gotmail
[08:02] <plasmo> doesnt work good with hotmail lol
[08:03] <bur[n] er_> i tried to use evolution with exchange today...
[08:03] <bur[n] er_> to no avail :\
[08:03] <mlambie> what parameters do i need to pass to ssh in order to have it connect to a machine, and then execute a series of commands, but stay connected?
[08:03] <bur[n] er_> there aren't really any howto's on it anywhere
[08:03] <mlambie> for example, ssh host1, then run ls -l and then run uptime, and stay connected?
[08:03] <bob2> mlambie: fsh is what you want
[08:03] <diego> pipezor?
[08:04] <mlambie> thanks bob2
[08:04] <bob2> mlambie: recent versions of ssh have that feature, too, but I don't think it's in ubuntu yet
[08:04] <bur[n] er_> fsh?
[08:04] <bur[n] er_> nevermind
[08:04] <diego> floppy shoe hamburger
[08:04] <diego> duh
[08:05] <etorix> fsh - Fast remote command execution over rsh/ssh/lsh
[08:06] <bur[n] er_> hrm... /exec -o apt-cache search fsh |grep fsh
[08:06] <bur[n] er_> doh
[08:07] <bob2> no need to paste that in here...
[08:07] <mlambie> bob2: i've installed fsh via apt, but issuing "fsh host ls" prompts for a passwd, then bombs out
[08:07] <bur[n] er_> sorry... it's late and i'm bored and tired
[08:08] <bob2> mlambie: 'bombs out'?
[08:08] <bob2> mlambie: you need it on both sides, too
[08:09] <heero17> ?
[08:09] <heero17> bomb? what bomb
[08:10] <neuro_> did he say "bomb"?
[08:10] <bob2> come on guys
[08:10] <plasmo> u know the fbi monitor irc channels. when u say bom+b. they record it :)
[08:10] <diego> oh i do have gmail invites
[08:10] <diego> interesting hehe
[08:10] <heero17> lol
[08:10] <heero17> :D
[08:11] <neuro_> sod the fbi, nsa+cia+mi5+echelon
[08:11] <mlambie> bob2: it doesn't seem to operate as expected. it will connect and run the command and return results, but it doesn's maintain the connection. it's the same as running "ssh host command"
[08:11] <bob2> mlambie: you have fsh on both machines? how do you know it's disconnecting?
[08:12] <mlambie> yeah, on both sides
[08:12] <mlambie> it drops me back to my shell on my laptop
[08:12] <bob2> hrm?
[08:12] <mlambie> but runs the command on my server
[08:12] <bob2> oh, you mean, you want to run a command and then get a remote shell?
[08:13] <mlambie> i'll explain what i'm trying to do, and others might know a better way: when i open a shell, i normally want 4 more tabs, and want to connect to our development server in each of these tabs. then i want to issue a series of commands (like sudo su user, or mysql -u user -ppass) in each different shell.
[08:14] <bob2> ah
[08:14] <mlambie> i'm passing parameters to gnome-terminal that cause it to open 4 tabs with different profiles fine
[08:14] <mlambie> what i want is it to issue the equivalent of "ssh host" then on the new host "cmd1, cmd2, cmd3..."
[08:14] <ar|k> so howd u view quicktime in ubuntu?
[08:15] <mlambie> ar|k: I installed the w32codecs
[08:15] <bob2> ar|k: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:15] <bob2> ar|k: it's in the FAQ
[08:15] <diego> i wish i was in the faq
[08:15] <bob2> mlambie: ssh -t user@host 'foo ; bar ; baz'
[08:15] <ar|k> thanks
[08:16] <ar|k> which is better mandrake or ubuntu?
[08:16] <mlambie> bob2: getting closer, but will connect to the host, execute the commands, then close the ssh connection
[08:17] <diego> ar|k: no bias in here....UBUNTU
[08:17] <bob2> ar|k: they're different...try both and see which you prefer
[08:17] <plasmo> lol
[08:17] <bob2> mlambie: yes, of course
[08:17] <heero17> :)
[08:17] <mlambie> i want it to run the commands, then drop me to the shell on the host
[08:17] <bob2> mlambie: if you want to run stuff on the remote side, add a call to bash on the end of the command line
[08:17] <bob2> mlambie: or run a script on the remote end
[08:18] <heero17> maybe kan be the timeout of the session
[08:18] <heero17> is so much short,
[08:19] <ar|k> ok
[08:19] <heero17> :)
[08:19] <mlambie> bob2: ssh -t www 'cd /; bash' seems to be what I'm after
[08:19] <bob2> yes
[08:19] <mlambie> bob2: thanks for your help, much appreciated
[08:20] <jacodt> quick question. where is the equivalent of the /etc/sysconfig/iptables file in ubuntu?
[08:20] <diego> jacodt: ubuntu doesn't ship with a firewall iirc
[08:20] <bob2>  /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian
[08:21] <jacodt> thanks
[08:26] <diego> w31rd, my pillow smells like my grandparents house
[08:26] <diego> ahh the memories
[08:26] <plasmo> o_o;
[08:30] <riley> how do I get support for loop for the mount command?
[08:31] <bob2> sudo modprobe loop
[08:32] <riley> awesome!  thanks!
[08:32] <bob2> you're welcome
[08:35] <ar|k> hey bob. can u send me a screenshot of your desktop?
[08:35] <bob2> mine's boring
[08:38] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, I downloaded a theme but it's not working. I even put it in the .themes folder and still doesnt show up :/
[08:38] <plasmo> wats the theme
[08:39] <Mojo_Jojo> this one http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=18631&PHPSESSID=f18e6d41902f3c8fbebf8234ed1fc061
[08:39] <Mojo_Jojo> I got he edgeMcity
[08:40] <plasmo> ok let me test it out. ill have to switch to gnome. brb :)
[08:41] <idge> hey, anyone know the sudo command for smp (multi proc)???
[08:41] <bob2> you mean, "How do I install a kernel with SMP support?"?
[08:41] <idge> yes
[08:41] <idge> i think
[08:41] <idge> i am new :-)
[08:42] <idge> this is my fist time with a linux based OS
[08:42] <bob2> what cpu?
[08:42] <idge> i have dual PIII 550s
[08:42] <idge> its an ols server board
[08:42] <bob2> install the linux-image-686-smp package
[08:42] <idge> "old" server board
[08:43] <idge> and that will do it?
[08:43] <bob2> yes
[08:43] <plasmo> mmm theme works fine. just that u cant install it with the theme installer
[08:43] <plasmo> just untar it
[08:43] <Mojo_Jojo> how did you do it?
[08:43] <plasmo> and copy edge2 and edge3 in .theme
[08:44] <idge> awsome!...thanks bob2
[08:44] <plasmo> .themes*
[08:44] <heero17> :O
[08:44] <Mojo_Jojo> oh ok i'll try again :)
[08:44] <plasmo> alrite goodluck :)
[08:45] <Mojo_Jojo> sweet it works thanks plasmo :)
[08:45] <plasmo> cool :)
[08:46] <Mojo_Jojo> do you know how to change the splash screens?
[08:46] <plasmo> yeah
[08:46] <plasmo> hold on
[08:46] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[08:46] <idge> hey bob2....is there a such thing as a "Ubuntu Repair Disk"???
[08:46] <bob2> to do what?
[08:47] <plasmo> gconf-editor > /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image
[08:47] <idge> just in case i screw somthing up :-)
[08:47] <idge> i have been known to do that before!
[08:48] <bob2> but, what do you want it to do?
[08:48] <bob2> I take it windows has some sort of repair disk that 'fixes' things?
[08:48] <idge> oh i see......I was thinking more along the lines of a "All-In-One" disc
[08:48] <bob2> what woulkd it do?
[08:49] <plasmo> Mojo_Jojo: /usr/share/pixmaps/splash is where the images are at
[08:49] <bob2> you can boot the ubuntu install disc to get a shell on a broken system so you can repair it.
[08:49] <idge> well.....in windows...you can just put in the CD and it will ask you if you want to re-install or repair
[08:49] <arrrrrr> hello
[08:49] <Mojo_Jojo> plasmo, ok
[08:49] <bob2> idge: what does 'repair' mean, tho?
[08:49] <arrrrrr> does anyone know how to set dual head in Ubuntu?
[08:49] <Mojo_Jojo> so do I rename the file or just specify the location?
[08:50] <arrrrrr> someone from this forum shows me his desktop photo, with three monitors..
[08:50] <bob2> arrrrrr: there's nothing in the wiki/faq?
[08:50] <arrrrrr> i wonder if he is here now...
[08:50] <plasmo> either rename or specify the filename in gconf editor
[08:50] <arrrrrr> i just need his XF86Config file....
[08:50] <arrrrrr> he has 3 monitors.
[08:50] <idge> bob2: I guess what it would do is reload the kernel without losing all my pics and movies...
[08:50] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[08:51] <bob2> idge: the windows kernel often gets corrupted?
[08:51] <idge> hehe..sometimes....windows just sucks like that
[08:51] <Mojo_Jojo> ok one last theme Q how do I change the mouse cursor :)
[08:51] <idge> hence my move to Ubuntu
[08:52] <plasmo> Mojo_Jojo: never changed my mouse cursors so i dont know :P
[08:52] <idge> bob2: I installed that package you told me about...now just reboot?
[08:52] <arrrrrr> anyone has the XF86Configuration for dual head?
[08:52] <Mojo_Jojo> ahh ok i'm gonna see if it worked :D brb
[08:52] <plasmo> Mojo_Jojo: current ubuntu ones look good enough
[08:52] <bob2> idge: it's extremely unlikely your system will ever just become unbootable for no reason, but if it does, you can almost always repair it without reinstalling
[08:52] <bob2> arrrrrr: you checked the FAQ and wiki and there was nothing about it?
[08:52] <bob2> idge: yup
[08:52] <idge> bob2: ok cool....
[08:53] <idge> bob2: Thanks bob2!!...I will now reboot.
[08:54] <suriya> does ubuntu come with NTFS write support?
[08:54] <bob2> no
[08:54] <suriya> solution?
[08:54] <suriya> recompile?
[08:54] <bob2> that's not possible in linux without horribly hacky things like acaptive-ntfs
[08:54] <suriya> or is there some package?
[08:54] <suriya> ok thank you
[08:55] <diego> suriya: compile away
[08:55] <bob2> it's on sourceforge, iirc
[08:55] <etorix> re-install windows to fat32
[08:55] <bob2> it's just a module that slurps windows driver code into your kernel
[08:55] <suriya> sure, just wanted to know if i could apt-get
[08:55] <plasmo> yep. convert it to fat32. best solution :)
[08:55] <suriya> thanks
[08:58] <StolenShoeBox> Hello I just upgraded to hoary
[08:58] <StolenShoeBox> and my resolution is stuck very low
[08:58] <etorix> heh .. mine too
[08:58] <bob2> nvidia?
[08:58] <StolenShoeBox> ya nvidia
[08:58] <StolenShoeBox> =/
[08:58] <etorix> 640 x 480
[08:58] <StolenShoeBox> yes
[08:58] <StolenShoeBox> heh
[08:58] <bob2> known bug
[08:59] <StolenShoeBox> anything I can do?
[08:59] <StolenShoeBox> I havent even installed the nvidia driver thow
[08:59] <arrrrrr> would radeon work with ubuntu?
[08:59] <arrrrrr> i have radeon x300
[08:59] <bob2> not sure, maybe there's a workaround in the bts
[08:59] <bob2> arrrrrr: yes
[08:59] <etorix> someone said a fix was in
[09:00] <lathiat> Is this for the binary or open source drivers?
[09:00] <etorix> it installs badly
[09:00] <etorix> its one symlink
[09:00] <lathiat> Cus my binary ones are working fine.. haven't tried the open source ones wince i upgraded to hoary
[09:01] <arrrrrr> my friend had a really bad experience with ubuntu. it wipes off the windows partition
[09:01] <arrrrrr> how can that happen?
[09:01] <arrrrrr> i know ubuntu doesn't ask you which partition you want to install to....
[09:01] <StolenShoeBox> he probaly didnt partition right
[09:01] <lathiat> arrrrrr: They probably chose the 'Erase entire disk' option in the installer, which is their own fault really...
[09:01] <arrrrrr> but this kind of thing is horrible
[09:01] <lathiat> And yes, ubuntu does as
[09:01] <diego> arrrrrr: his own damn fault, no doubt
[09:01] <lathiat> if you say to partition manually
[09:01] <lathiat> *as
[09:01] <lathiat> ask damnit
[09:02] <StolenShoeBox> so my res is stuck at this?
[09:02] <arrrrrr> how to make it ask for which partition to install to??
[09:02] <lathiat> arrrrrr: Select the manual partitioning option
[09:02] <etorix> partition manually
[09:02] <arrrrrr> oh there is such thing?
[09:02] <heero17> :I
[09:02] <etorix> of course
[09:03] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: no workaround in the bts?
[09:03] <arrrrrr> ok.. good then...... i'll probably try ubuntu in my desktop
[09:03] <diego> _someone_ didn't read the ncurses-based dialog box in the installer
[09:03] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: bts?
[09:03] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:04] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: it ask me to insert a error code?
[09:05] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: eh?
[09:05] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: or bug #
[09:05] <lathiat> StolenShoeBox: use the search box
[09:05] <lathiat> StolenShoeBox: search for nvidia and look for the bug you mentioned, then open it and see if there is a fix/workaround
[09:06] <StolenShoeBox> lathiat: thx
[09:06] <etorix> it was a fix/workaround that got me in the most trouble
[09:07] <etorix> trying a apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx
[09:07] <etorix> ha ha ha
[09:08] <lathiat> etorix: in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:08] <lathiat> etorix: does it list 640x480 down the bottom
[09:08] <lathiat> or something else
[09:08] <StolenShoeBox> i cant find anything
[09:08] <etorix> i have 3  1024x ..800x .. 640x ..
[09:08] <lathiat> hrm
[09:09] <lathiat> and when you go system configuration->resolution
[09:09] <StolenShoeBox> and when i try to run that dpkg thing it says xorg isnt installed or rboken
[09:09] <lathiat> it only offers 640x480?
[09:09] <StolenShoeBox> lathiat: same for me
[09:09] <lathiat> StolenShoeBox: did you upgrade to hoary?
[09:09] <StolenShoeBox> yes
[09:09] <lathiat> StolenShoeBox: right, apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop
[09:09] <etorix> so theoretically i should have those choices
[09:09] <lathiat> StolenShoeBox: what does it say under Installed:
[09:10] <StolenShoeBox> lathiat: 0.12
[09:10] <lathiat> hrm
[09:10] <lathiat> StolenShoeBox: and apt-get update // apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't have anythign new?
[09:10] <lathiat> sometimes the upgrade breaks halfway through and leaves things in a broken state
[09:10] <StolenShoeBox> lathiat: ima  newbie =P but ill check it out
[09:11] <lathiat> StolenShoeBox: oh sorry
[09:11] <lathiat> StolenShoeBox: open synaptic
[09:11] <diego> gn
[09:11] <lathiat> StolenShoeBox: reload and then
[09:11] <lathiat> StolenShoeBox: upgrade // smart upgrade
[09:11] <lathiat> StolenShoeBox: and apply
[09:11] <StolenShoeBox> lathiat: i know how to do it from the term
[09:11] <lathiat> StolenShoeBox: [rather than what i said about apt-get] 
[09:11] <StolenShoeBox> =P
[09:11] <StolenShoeBox> nothign to eb updated
[09:11] <StolenShoeBox> be*
[09:11] <lathiat> odd
[09:11] <etorix> actually synaptic is very good in ubuntu
[09:12] <lathiat> must be a vert/horiz refresh issue
[09:12] <lathiat> etorix: it is indeed
[09:12] <lathiat> or someting
[09:12] <StolenShoeBox> whats the command to re config xorg dpkg thing?
[09:12] <etorix> yeah .. i fixed it on my last install ..
[09:13] <etorix> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:13] <StolenShoeBox> thx
[09:14] <heero17> .
[09:14] <etorix> that wont fix it tho
[09:14] <StolenShoeBox> then what will? =)
[09:14] <etorix> you need to edit xorg.conf
[09:14] <StolenShoeBox> how would I go about doing that?
[09:15] <etorix> i think i pasted in a section or so from a known working xorg.conf
[09:15] <lathiat> etorix: "known working" is subjective to your setup
[09:15] <lathiat> i mean mine would be different from yours
[09:15] <bob2> etorix: what exactly is wrong with the generated xorg.conf?
[09:16] <etorix> im not sure exactly .. it looks fine
[09:16] <etorix> also im 54-bit hoary
[09:16] <etorix> 64*
[09:16] <lathiat> heh 54bit
[09:16] <StolenShoeBox> my resolution isnt pleasent guys lol
[09:17] <Grexo> what does "AE" mean?
[09:17] <Grexo> is AE a word?
[09:17] <etorix> i added a bit to the kernel line
[09:17] <Grexo> i challenged someone on online scrabble
[09:17] <Grexo> they gave em ae
[09:17] <etorix> but that just affects the boot-msgs
[09:17] <StolenShoeBox> Grexo: never new AE was a word
[09:18] <bob2> etorix: do you have specific advice on how to fix it, or just "you have to manually edit xorg.conf and the kernel command line"?
[09:18] <Grexo> stolen i challenged it
[09:18] <Grexo> go figure
[09:18] <StolenShoeBox> lol
[09:18] <etorix> erm .. i didnt keep notes of how i fixed it last time
[09:19] <StolenShoeBox> stuff like this turns me away from linux
[09:19] <TheGorf> Can nautilus be configured to open all folders in a common window, instead of always opening a new window?
[09:19] <StolenShoeBox> whys it have to be so hard
[09:19] <StolenShoeBox> TheGorf: yes it can trying to remember how i did it
[09:20] <plasmo`> TheGoft: edit > perference > behavior >
[09:20] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: dude
[09:20] <StolenShoeBox> what he said
[09:20] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: you're using the DEVELOPMENT version of ubuntu
[09:20] <bob2> it's expected to break
[09:20] <etorix> yup
[09:20] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: i understand but still even when im useing stable linux distro stuff just doesnt work
[09:21] <StolenShoeBox> like my web cam
[09:21] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: for example?
[09:21] <StolenShoeBox> or my mic
[09:21] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: does linux support your webcam at all?
[09:21] <StolenShoeBox> i have no idea
[09:21] <StolenShoeBox> lol
[09:21] <StolenShoeBox> but still
[09:21] <plasmo`> :-)
[09:21] <heero17> web cams
[09:21] <heero17> i think
[09:21] <heero17> u should see this page
[09:21] <heero17> www.linux-usb.org
[09:21] <TheGorf> StolenShoeBox that same "feature" of Linux is a double edged sword.  On the plus side you can edit and hack any file you want.  on the down side you can edit and hack any file you want.
[09:21] <heero17> type the model and pray  :D
[09:22] <bob2> if your manufacturer refuses to let linux support it, there's not much anyone can do
[09:22] <StolenShoeBox> lol
[09:22] <StolenShoeBox> thx heero17
[09:22] <heero17> :)
[09:22] <bob2> if it is supported, but doesn't work, please file a bug so it can be fixed for the next release
[09:22] <heero17> try with gnomemeeting ;) always works
[09:23] <StolenShoeBox> do do do
[09:24] <TheGorf> Ah I see my file management option is here.  The text of the option is a bit misleading imo.  But I have found what I was looking for.
[09:24] <StolenShoeBox> well i guess ill have to reinstall ubuntu
[09:24] <StolenShoeBox> =(
[09:24] <StolenShoeBox> lol
[09:24] <StolenShoeBox> thx for trying to help guys
[09:24] <StolenShoeBox> or I could always go back to windoze
[09:24] <StolenShoeBox> or get a mac
[09:24] <heero17> lol
[09:24] <StolenShoeBox> =)
[09:24] <StolenShoeBox> peace
[09:24] <heero17> mac only is good to one thing, run linux :D
[09:24] <TheGorf> NO NO!  Don't give up and run back to Windoh's yet.
[09:24] <plasmo> or a xbox
[09:25] <heero17> lol the g4 is kool
[09:25] <StolenShoeBox> the g5 is cool
[09:25] <heero17> lol yeah the xbox kase too ;)
[09:25] <etorix> nah g5
[09:25] <StolenShoeBox> mac os x is unix
[09:25] <StolenShoeBox> =P
[09:25] <StolenShoeBox> darwin
[09:25] <etorix> id get a imacg5 if i could put a 6800 in it
[09:25] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: erm, you don't need to reinstall
[09:25] <TheGorf> When I worked on campus at M$FT I brought in my XBox with Linux on it...
[09:25] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: than what shall i do =(
[09:25] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: but if you do, why not stick with the stable version until you're a bit more ready to deal with issues in the development one.
[09:26] <TheGorf> people were not amused and I was told to take it home immediately
[09:26] <plasmo> lol
[09:26] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: i was going to install warty =P
[09:26] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: I'm pretty sure there's a workaround in the BTS, but asking on the list will probably get you a solution, too
[09:26] <etorix> good idea
[09:26] <heero17> somebody has taste the amd64?
[09:26] <StolenShoeBox> well ya im sure ill be back so asking how to burn cds and what not
[09:26] <StolenShoeBox> lol
[09:26] <StolenShoeBox> good night fellas
[09:26] <etorix> im on a amd64
[09:27] <heero17> good nite
[09:27] <TheGorf> If I found a hiccup in FireFox that seems to only happen on my Warty install, should I file a bug against it?  Or is that a FireFox bug?
[09:27] <heero17> and how much time take compile something etorix?
[09:27] <bob2> TheGorf: please do
[09:27] <etorix> on ubuntu ? dunno .. i aint compiled anything on ubuntu
[09:28] <heero17> :O
[09:28] <Grexo> OMG
[09:28] <heero17> ok well do this
[09:28] <Grexo> scrabble voided ur
[09:28] <Grexo> but gave AE
[09:28] <Triple5-M> etorix, u use ubuntu ?
[09:28] <Grexo> wtf :P
[09:28] <heero17> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[09:28] <plasmo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AE
[09:28] <heero17> how many bogomips have u amd64?
[09:28] <etorix> generally 64-bit is equally fast .. 64-bit needs more ram
[09:28] <heero17> yep
[09:28] <bob2> bogomips is a really bad benchmark
[09:29] <etorix> well mostly with powernowd im @1004mhz
[09:31] <heero17> somebody here use enlightenment?
[09:34] <Grexo> ill enlighten u
[09:34] <Grexo> :)
[09:50] <ik5pvx> the bottom panel now has the buttons too small ... anyone know what changed ?
[09:50] <bob2> using hoary?
[09:50] <ik5pvx> yes
[09:51] <ik5pvx> I get only one button for 4 xterms, and they are all about 100 pixel wide
[09:51] <ik5pvx> so they don't show the path in it anymore, just the program name
[09:54] <calc> yea new gnome 2.9.3 is teh sux ;)
[09:54] <calc> well at least that part does seem a bit sucky
[09:55] <ik5pvx> a poor default choice, at least
[09:55] <calc> the grouping is ok (though should be an option) but it should still be expanding to fill the width of the taskbar
[09:55] <ik5pvx> grouping used to happen only if you had filled the panel already
[09:55] <calc> my taskbar is only using maybe 1/10th of its available space now and i can't read any of the items
[09:55] <calc> ik5pvx: ah
[09:56] <calc> then yes this change is evil overall
[09:56] <ik5pvx> now happens always
[09:56] <ik5pvx> this REALLY sucks
[09:56] <calc> i rarely ran enough stuff to force it to group i guess
[09:56] <ik5pvx> I usally have at least 4 xterms open, plus mozilla, an editor and some more shit... er.. stuff
[09:57] <ik5pvx> grouping defeats the purpose of having the path in the xterm title
[09:57] <calc> well you can click on the xterm group and see all the paths there
[09:57] <ik5pvx> makes it 2 clicks instead of one
[09:57] <calc> but currently its not even wide enough for one title
[09:59] <ik5pvx> I'm browing into the configuration editor but can't find where this is set
[09:59] <calc> ik5pvx: appears there is no setting, i already looked for it
[09:59] <calc> i'm not sure if its a bug or a new "feature"
[10:00] <calc> if its a feature i want it to go away
[10:00] <calc> there isn't enough space for any app to possibly put a name there
[10:00] <calc> only icon (1 letter)...
[10:01] <ik5pvx> what's the name of the button area?
[10:01] <calc> window list
[10:02] <Lionel2> Okay... well... I tried the Live CD For Ubunto ("x86 addition") and When i booted windows again (After running the Demo CD thing) There were shitloads of corrupt files... I don't know if this had to do with Shutting down Impropperly Windows... or if it had to do with useing The Ubunto Live cd... I thought the LIVE cd didn't touch your Hard disk and only used Ram and the CD ROM???
[10:02] <bob2> I really really doubt it was due to the live cd
[10:03] <Lionel2> Okay
[10:03] <Lionel2> Its probably cuz I didn't shutdown properly :P
[10:03] <Lionel2> lol
[10:03] <Lionel2> uh... is this a bob I know?
[10:03] <ik5pvx> ok
[10:03] <calc> not shutting windows down properly can cause it to completely corrupt your filesystem, its done that to me before when it crashed
[10:03] <ik5pvx> found something
[10:04] <Lionel2> Arg... Okay.. good thing it only corrupted repairable stuff
[10:04] <Lionel2> "Bob2" Is it allright If I p/m you with somthing for a sec?
[10:04] <ik5pvx> apps->panel->applets->window_list->prefs
[10:04] <bob2> er, I guess so
[10:04] <ik5pvx> inside configuration editor
[10:04] <Lionel2> Okay
[10:04] <ik5pvx> there's a group-window = auto setting
[10:05] <Lionel2> Its just that you have to ask I think to Pm people on Freenode
[10:05] <bob2> you don't have to, but it's polite
[10:05] <Lionel2> Okay
[10:05] <lathiat> gah my gnome-panel is b0rked again, sigh
[10:06] <ik5pvx> calc, I think it's a bug
[10:06] <ik5pvx> grouping is still set as auto but it behaves as always
[10:06] <calc> ik5pvx: yea i don't see anything settable regarding it taking full space
[10:06] <calc> only an overall max/min size for the list itself
[10:07] <ik5pvx> lathiat, borked in what sense ? we were just discussing the always grouped appearance of the window list
[10:07] <GregoryD> back to the same problem...
[10:08] <lathiat> ik5pvx: theres an option for that
[10:08] <lathiat> my gnome-panel comes up
[10:08] <lathiat> but no icons or anything
[10:08] <lathiat> just gray
[10:08] <lathiat> and not right clickable
[10:08] <ik5pvx> ah
[10:08] <lathiat> same with nautilus
[10:08] <calc> lathiat: yes there is an option but with 2.9.3 its broken
[10:08] <darktux> lo everyone
[10:08] <lathiat> happened on my old laptop after a hoary upgrade
[10:08] <lathiat> new one was fine
[10:08] <lathiat> even rebooted
[10:08] <lathiat> then rebooted again and its broken now
[10:08] <lathiat> i dont get ti
[10:08] <calc> lathiat: it apparently makes the items as small as possible and forces grouping always
[10:08] <lathiat> have to go hunting for error messages
[10:08] <ik5pvx> lathiat, we fond the option but it behaves like HE wants, instead as I want :)
[10:08] <lathiat> ik5pvx: yeh i kinda noticed that
[10:08] <ik5pvx> s/fond/found/
[10:09] <GregoryD> I installed kde from the repositories on a fresh install w/ update on ubuntu, and my sound is completely dead now in either gnome or kde... I've tried disabling the kde sound system in kde to see if that would help, but I still have the same problem
[10:10] <darktux> Have someone got problems whith totem?
[10:10] <GregoryD> I can't seem to find any websites that resolve the matter
[10:10] <darktux> It crashes when I try to play anything
[10:10] <ik5pvx> changing group_windows to never gives a maze of tiny little icons
[10:11] <GregoryD> anyone know where I might start figuring this sound problem out?
[10:11] <ik5pvx> changing the minimum_size does nothing, I guess that's the culprit
[10:11] <calc> minimum size probably has to do with how small you can make the list
[10:11] <calc> eg set it larger and drag the list tab over as far as it will let
[10:12] <calc> the list can make the items even smaller than they currently are
[10:14] <ik5pvx> I've noticed that
[10:15] <xskoulax> ubuntu linux just saved 10.8gb worth of my data
[10:15] <xskoulax> :D
[10:16] <GregoryD> heh, it's given me headaches... I'm trying to figure out my sound issue and getting nowhere fast
[10:20] <ik5pvx> bah... rsync hates me today... anyone else receiving "max connections (15) reached" trying to rsync the archives ?
[10:20] <bob2> probably everyone aside from the first 15 people who tried ;-)
[10:20] <bob2> use a dufferent mirror
[10:21] <lathiat> Anyone know what would cause gnome-panel to be blank and not respond to any input events (even the dialogs it popped up because a applet failed to load i cant click buttons) -- and nautilus has no icons, can't right click (has a background image tho) -- i had upgraded hoary and it was working fine, i reven rebooted, i rebooted again and its broken again [i might have upgraded a couple extra packages in between, not sure] 
[10:22] <lathiat> i can't see any schema errors or anything in xsession-errors
[10:22] <miausX> hi!!! :D
[10:22] <bob2> known bug
[10:23] <miausX> merry xmas!!! ;DD
[10:23] <lathiat> bob2: any information on why tho?
[10:24] <bob2> seb128 broke my gnome panel!
[10:24] <lathiat> heh
[10:24] <lathiat> is there a bug for this particular issue with any extra information?
[10:24] <bob2> yeah, don't know the number, tho
[10:24] <bob2> you need to kill some processes or something, iirc
[10:24] <lathiat> ahh, gnome-terminal tabs :)
[10:25] <cenerentola> ciao
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[10:25] <ik5pvx> lathiat, if it can help, I had an applet crash in the past days (the weather applet) and if I closed the session and reopened panel would say another panel was already running. No panel at all would come out.
[10:26] <calc> nice i just upgraded and killed my system too :\
[10:26] <bob2> logging in and out a few times fixed it, iirc
[10:28] <lathiat> bob2: any idea of anything in the title of the bug? [cant find it under gnome-panel] 
[10:30] <lathiat> seb128: Do you know the bug# or something i can search for to find the bug regarding gnome-panel/nautilus being blank/unresponsive on login? [hoary[
[10:31] <seb128> killall gnome-panel nautilus gnome-vfs-daemon trashapplet
[10:31] <seb128> should workaround it
[10:31] <seb128> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4576
[10:32] <lathiat> rightio thanks
[10:32] <lathiat> yeh i just did kill -9 -1 in a terminal
[10:32] <lathiat> fixed it
[10:32] <calc> seb128: how about the evil window list bug?
[10:33] <bob2> 29#4918 seems to be it
[10:33] <calc> ah ok :)
[10:33] <bob2> eep
[10:33] <lathiat> seb128: cheers
[10:34] <seb128> calc: what bug ?
[10:35] <calc> 4918
[10:35] <seb128> ok
[10:35] <calc> i see its being worked on already though :)
[10:37] <MacGyver|> hello
[10:37] <MacGyver|> someone tried installing the Linux Game Publishing Game "Majesty" ? Seems so that Ubuntus glibc breaks the lgp installer
[10:38] <vegai> hardly any old game works out of the box without some tweaking
[10:38] <MacGyver|> the installer works on suse 9.1 or debian sid
[10:39] <vegai> oh, really? That's odd ;)
[10:39] <MacGyver|> so it should work with ubuntu too..
[10:39] <bob2> why do you think it's a problem with glibc?
[10:39] <vegai> when did you try it on sid?
[10:39] <vegai> 'cause glibc is a fetid piece of garbage? =)
[10:39] <MacGyver|> good question . 4 weeks ago or so
[10:40] <vegai> what kind of an error do you get?
[10:40] <MacGyver|> Please contact LGP Technical Support at support@linuxgamepublishing.com
[10:40] <MacGyver|> Continuing with install ...
[10:40] <MacGyver|> LGP Uninstall Tool not found, running installation program
[10:40] <MacGyver|> lgp_uninstall/setup.sh: line 53:  9017 Speicherzugriffsfehler  "$setup" $*
[10:40] <MacGyver|> The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[10:40] <MacGyver|> so it just segfault
[10:40] <vegai> ah, yes
[10:40] <vegai> that is fixable
[10:40] <vegai> the thing you have to do is run the installer with some switch that makes the installer not clean after failure
[10:40] <MacGyver|> export POSIX2_VERSION=199209 wont fix the problem
[10:40] <vegai> then you go replace one binary, and run the installer again
[10:40] <vegai> there should be instructions for this on the web
[10:41] <MacGyver|> which website ?
[10:41] <MacGyver|> unbuntu one ?
[10:51] <heero17> hi
[10:52] <plasmo> hello
[10:53] <heero17> :) plasmo u use gtk?
[10:53] <plasmo> yeah o_O
[10:54] <heero17> and u know how change the theme of a gtk 1.0?
[10:54] <plasmo> i dunno.. lol
[10:54] <bob2> 'switch' from the gtk-theme-switch package
[10:54] <heero17> yes but gtk-theme-switch only works with gtk-2.0
[10:55] <bob2> no
[10:55] <bob2> switch works on gtk1.2
[10:55] <bob2> switch
[10:55] <bob2> 2 works on gtk 2
[10:56] <vegai> for some definition of "work", anyway
[10:57] <bob2> in what sense does it not work?
[10:57] <heero17> well mm i try install a theme a gtk 1.0 theme
[10:58] <heero17> but dont change the aparence of gtk 1.0 applications, well whatever i dont have a lot of gtk 1.0 applications, but
[10:58] <heero17> i like the themes with look like as enligthenment
[10:59] <xskoulax> yep, ubuntu live cd sure did rescue the 10.8 gig windows was determined to trash
[11:00] <xskoulax> or beverage of their choice if beer or alcohol isn't their thing ;)
[11:01] <bob2> hm, I think most of 'em like their beer
[11:01] <bob2> or "beer" in the case of that warm brown liquid the brits drink
[11:02] <xskoulax> yea but some of the devs could follow islam, or just be tea-total
[11:03] <xskoulax> but yea most brits, like their Beer
[11:06] <PotajiTo> wenas
[11:06] <heero17> wuenas
[11:06] <heero17> k tal?
[11:17] <lathiat> seb128: thanks dude, i was going to submit a patch but wasn't sure if it was a problem having them straight from debian
[11:19] <KobrAs_> hey, just got the ubuntu cd's home, going to install, thanks
[11:19] <seb128> lathiat: np
[11:20] <Triple5|Mobile> KobrAs_, me2 lol
[11:20] <lathiat> seb128: that uploaded to hoary main now?
[11:20] <wezzer> merry christmas to everyone!
[11:20] <Triple5|Mobile> I upgraded to hoary and it changed my mind about what I thought about warty, because warty runs really bad on my slow pc but hoary is better
[11:20] <KobrAs_> merry xmas wezzer
[11:21] <seb128> lathiat: no, gnome meta is a part of universe not main
[11:21] <lathiat> seb128: uh yeh, same diff sorry :)
[11:21] <seb128> yep, it has been uploaded
[11:21] <lathiat> just meant uploaded :)
[11:21] <lathiat> cool
[11:21] <seb128> should be here within one hour
[11:22] <wezzer> any news about ubuntu cd's?
[11:22] <Triple5|Mobile> KobrAs_, I recommend you upgrade to hoary everything seems to change menus and kernel :)
[11:22] <wezzer> I was on holiday in re, Sweden
[11:23] <Triple5|Mobile> its about 276mb and then another 116mb I think first aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, and then aptitude dist-upgade
[11:23] <Triple5|Mobile> upgrade*
[11:23] <Triple5|Mobile> MERRY CHRISTMAS
[11:24] <vegai> how far is Hoary from release?
[11:24] <lathiat> vegai: Hoary is due for release in april next year
[11:24] <lathiat> etorix: so 4 months
[11:24] <lathiat> etorix: woops
[11:24] <lathiat> vegai: so 4 months, you can see a release schedule in the wiki under WartyWarthog
[11:24] <lathiat> arghh i suck
[11:24] <lathiat> HoaryHedgehog :)
[11:24] <KobrAs_> Triple5|Mobile, i will
[11:25] <vegai> aye... so it might not be a good idea to recommend it?
[11:25] <Triple5|Mobile> KobrAs_, goodluck ;) I like hoary
[11:25] <lathiat> vegai: Not really ,no
[11:25] <lathiat> i mean it works fine for most people
[11:25] <Triple5|Mobile> KobrAs_, how fast is your pc?
[11:25] <KobrAs_> oh, a p4 2.8 ht
[11:25] <KobrAs_> its fast
[11:26] <lathiat> But, ideally, don't want inexperienced usings getting upset and going off ubuntu/linux because its not working, etc
[11:26] <lathiat> s/usings/users
[11:26] <KobrAs_> going to install my dvd-rw then ubuntu
[11:26] <vegai> are there really some optimizations or is Triple5|Mobile suffering from placebo effect? =)
[11:26] <KobrAs_> bbl.
[11:26] <KobrAs_> thanks guys.
[11:27] <vegai> (I just read from usenet that "you get 50% higher framerate in UT2004 if you compile your entire system from source" ;-D
[11:27] <Triple5|Mobile> vegai, I dont know maybe Ubuntu operates very slow on my Celeron 635mhz 256mb desktop and hoary was running faster but not to say it was 100% good yet
[11:27] <lathiat> thats crap heh
[11:27] <lathiat> Triple5|Mobile: Warty and Hoary ran quit enicely on my 266mhz laptop with 192mb ram
[11:27] <vegai> no, it was actually "50% quicker framerate", which made the sentence even funnier ;)
[11:28] <lathiat> i mean it wasn't speedy but it was no means slow
[11:28] <vegai> you might've guessed that the speaker was a gentoo-fan
[11:28] <lathiat> vegai: heh :)
[11:28] <lathiat> really?
[11:28] <lathiat> nooo...never! :)
[11:28] <Triple5|Mobile> lathiat, well
[11:28] <Triple5|Mobile> lathiat, try having a browser, gaim, xchat term open at the sametime
[11:28] <lathiat> Triple5|Mobile: i often had gaim a browser and gnome-terminal going
[11:29] <vegai> Triple5|Mobile: yep ok. I wonder what they changed to accomplish this
[11:29] <vegai> perhaps your hardware is better supported by x.org?
[11:29] <lathiat> thats quite a big possibility
[11:29] <lathiat> video tends to make a bigger difference than i would have thought
[11:29] <Triple5|Mobile> lathiat, forgot about xchat :)
[11:29] <lathiat> Triple5|Mobile: yeh, i dont use xchat :)
[11:29] <Triple5|Mobile> lathiat, exactly
[11:29] <nigg> I'm going to be installing Ubuntu within the next few days. It was recommended by a friend. I'm not familiar with upgrading. When there is a new release, is there a need to reformat & install (like you would do ideally with Windows), or is there some other process?
[11:29] <Triple5|Mobile> it has to do with video then
[11:29] <lathiat> but still
[11:29] <lathiat> is xchat really that bad?
[11:30] <vegai> nigg: no need to reformat/install, ever ;)
[11:30] <lathiat> nigg: No, you can upgrade easily (doesn't even need a reboot!)
[11:30] <nigg> no way?
[11:30] <lathiat> No, serious :)
[11:30] <lathiat> you use the package management tool
[11:30] <lathiat> point it at the new release, and ask it to do an upgrade
[11:30] <lathiat> and wait a while
[11:30] <nigg> slick!!
[11:30] <vegai> only if you upgrade the kernel, a reboot is handy
[11:30] <nigg> :)
[11:30] <lathiat> vegai: well, yes
[11:30] <vegai> and even then, I don't think it's necessary
[11:30] <lathiat> but its not forced as part of the process
[11:31] <lathiat> man i just got a new 2.0Ghz Pentium-M laptop and it flies
[11:31] <Triple5|Mobile> very nice getting a new kernel so easy
[11:31] <lathiat> was using a 266mhz laptop for the last year or so
[11:31] <lathiat> can finally hack on evolution some more
[11:31] <Triple5|Mobile> lathiat, I have a Amd Athlon XP-M 2800+ :)
[11:31] <nigg> one more question, I plan on putting Win2k fresh on a 40gb drive, and Ubuntu on another 20gb drive. Will Ubuntu recognize my Windows drive, and set up some sort of dual-boot, or am I required to configure some 3rd party tool or...?
[11:32] <vegai> I'm pretty sure it will recognize it. Just install Windows first
[11:32] <vegai> and if it doesn't you'll just need to add a few lines to a file
[11:33] <lathiat> Theres no reason it shouldn't auto-add it
[11:33] <nigg> right on :)
[11:33] <lathiat> hell it even found the debian install on my firewire drive from when the drive was in another computer :)
[11:33] <lathiat> nigg: Just make sure you install windows first
[11:33] <Triple5|Mobile> I'm thinking of dual-booting too but its been a few weeks since I havent dual-boot i'm a linux n00b anyways and I kinda like forgot somestuff I remember now I did qtparted from Mepis, then installed BeatrIX then installed Kanotix and added the other OS to Kanoti'x boot hehe how simple qt parted , ah I'll use cfdisk this time
[11:33] <RuffianSoldier> nigg - I installed Win2k - BeatrIX and SUSE 9.1 - and Ubuntu automatically added them to dual boot!
[11:33] <lathiat> because windows overwrites the boot-sector and will stop you booting linux
[11:34] <lathiat> that can be fixed (come and ask for help if that happens) - but its just easier to install windows first
[11:34] <nigg> alright, thanks for the info guys!
[11:35] <Triple5|Mobile> RuffianSoldier, I noticed Ubuntu doesnt even have a boot loader its text for me
[11:36] <bob2> erm
[11:36] <plasmo> ofcourse it has a boot loader :)
[11:36] <bob2> ubuntu has a boot loader (grub), but that doesn't have anything to do with graphics
[11:36] <RuffianSoldier> haha ya
[11:37] <Triple5|Mobile> well i dont see no boot splash
[11:37] <bob2> that's a different matter
[11:37] <bob2> it wasn't included, since it's a terrible hack
[11:37] <bob2> hoary will have something better for people who care about it
[11:37] <Triple5|Mobile> hm
[11:38] <plasmo> #ragnarok
[11:38] <plasmo> woops
[11:38] <RuffianSoldier> press esc and you will have ather OS options
[11:38] <RuffianSoldier> plasmo - i hear that game blows
[11:38] <plasmo> yeah i used to play it long ago
[11:39] <plasmo> i was seeing if there was a ragnarok channel in freenode lol
[11:39] <RuffianSoldier> I WANT GUILD WARS!
[11:40] <plasmo> guild wars. i hear alot about it but nah its not the game for me
[11:40] <RuffianSoldier> its a MMORPG without a monthly free!
[11:40] <RuffianSoldier> you cant go wrong
[11:41] <RuffianSoldier> and from a few Blizzard devs :-D
[11:41] <lathiat> Offtopic guys
[11:41] <plasmo> theres alot of mmorpgs out there without monthly fees :)
[11:41] <RuffianSoldier> ya :-\ not good ones
[11:41] <RuffianSoldier> anyway - back to Ubuntu
[11:42] <Fator_Dee> PlaneShift looks quite good
[11:42] <RuffianSoldier> what is that?
[11:43] <Fator_Dee> although it's nowere near complete
[11:43] <Fator_Dee> http://www.planeshift.it/main_01.html
[11:43] <RuffianSoldier> can we go back to the topic?
[11:43] <plasmo> a opensource win/linux/mac mmorpg
[11:43] <RuffianSoldier> neat!
[11:43] <RuffianSoldier> Linux!
[11:43] <RuffianSoldier> now were talkin
[11:43] <plasmo> yeah
[11:44] <Fator_Dee> and there should be a new release very soon
[11:44] <RuffianSoldier> kewl
[11:44] <RuffianSoldier> 100% free?
[11:44] <Fator_Dee> yes
[11:44] <RuffianSoldier> AND 3D!
[11:44] <RuffianSoldier> Holly Jeepers batman!
[11:44] <Fator_Dee> yes :-)
[11:44] <Fator_Dee> so help out and weed the bugs
[11:45] <Triple5> RuffianSoldier, hoary!!!
[11:45] <RuffianSoldier> what about it?
[11:45] <housetier> it seems they arent sure whats done and what not: http://screenshots.mine.nu/showimg.php?file=/1103885090.jpeg
[11:49] <RuffianSoldier> hey
[11:49] <RuffianSoldier> wheres your robot friend Dengar?
[11:49] <RuffianSoldier> thought he never leaves your side
[11:49] <Dengar> ?
[11:49] <RuffianSoldier> Star Wars
[11:49] <RuffianSoldier> the bounty hunter Dengar
[11:49] <Dengar> ow :P
[11:49] <Dengar> ye
[11:49] <RuffianSoldier> has a Robot
[11:49] <Dengar> hehe
[11:50] <RuffianSoldier> a Droid
[11:50] <Dengar> I know
[11:50] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[11:50] <RuffianSoldier> I prefer IG-88
[11:50] <Dengar> :P
[11:50] <Dengar> well he is not a real robot, but became a robot
[11:52] <RuffianSoldier> im thinking of getting Star Wars battle fronts Dengar
[11:56] <LoF> Hey could i request some assistance please with my ubuntu installation?
[11:56] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[11:56] <RuffianSoldier> shooot!
[11:57] <LoF> Well i installed it all well and good and i read on the site to set the root password u must do this while logged in right
[11:57] <LoF> sudo passwd root
[11:57] <Fator_Dee> it's your account's
[11:57] <lathiat> LoF: for most purposes you don't need to do that
[11:57] <Fator_Dee> argh, didn't read properly
[11:57] <lathiat> LoF: all of the root-requiring stuff in ubuntu uses sudo
[11:58] <lathiat> LoF: which only needs your password
[11:58] <LoF> Well when i try to extract a file into / it says i dont have correct permissions
[11:58] <RuffianSoldier> LoF -- SUDO works fine - but if you must - sudo passws - then put in your user pass
[11:58] <RuffianSoldier> passwd*
[11:58] <LoF> yes i tried that still didnt work when i attempted to login
[11:58] <RuffianSoldier> su?
[11:59] <bob2> LoF: what exact command did you run?
[11:59] <bob2> and what are you trying to untar into /?
[11:59] <LoF> sudo passwd root
[11:59] <LoF> then changed the pass
[11:59] <LoF> erm something i need for my perticular modem
[11:59] <RuffianSoldier> sudo -s
[11:59] <LoF> What does that do?
[12:00] <bob2> 'sudo tar -zxf /patch/to/foo.tar.gz' will work
[12:00] <bob2> but untarring stuff into / is generally a really bad idea
[12:00] <RuffianSoldier> g'night all
[12:00] <LoF> its not a tar file is a rpm
[12:00] <RuffianSoldier> HAHAH
[12:00] <lathiat> heh
[12:00] <RuffianSoldier> HAHAH
[12:01] <lathiat> a modem driver in a .rpm
[12:01] <lathiat> is very unlikely to work on ubuntu
[12:01] <RuffianSoldier> lol!
[12:01] <LoF> Cmon dont laugh
[12:01] <lathiat> but you can use 'alien' to convert it to a .deb and dpkg -i the .deb it produces
[12:01] <RuffianSoldier> Ubuntu uses modified .debs not rpms
[12:01] <bob2> they're not modified
[12:01] <bob2> if it's just source, it will work fine, probably
[12:01] <lathiat> LoF: so sudo alien file.rpm
[12:01] <lathiat> LoF: then sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[12:01] <bob2> \use alien to convert it to as tar.gz, and untar that in /usr/src or something
[12:01] <RuffianSoldier> well - modified libs I mean bob2
[12:01] <RuffianSoldier> somethin
[12:02] <RuffianSoldier> happy holidays - im out
[12:02] <RuffianSoldier> night all
[12:02] <LoF> alright thanks for the help
[12:09] <zenkov> Hi
[12:10] <nigg> hi hi hi there
[12:11] <zenkov> Somebody knows, whether there is a file /etc/init.d/esd ?
[12:11] <bob2> as you can see, no :)
[12:11] <zenkov> I removed something and now I do not have sound :-)
[12:12] <zenkov> hm
[12:12] <bob2> what did you remove?
[12:13] <zenkov> I dont remember. But I remember that have removed a packages with arts
[12:14] <zenkov> i simply tried to speed up process of loading and performance of system
[12:16] <zenkov> By default the system is loaded very slowly
[12:16] <mon> hi, i'm about to install some restricted modules. i want the K7 version, but i can choose from 10 versions?
[12:16] <Fator_Dee> zenkov: how slow?
[12:17] <mon> nevermind, got it now :)
[12:18] <zenkov> Fator_Dee: 1 minute (with XFree and GNOME)
[12:18] <Fator_Dee> and that's slow :-p
[12:18] <Fator_Dee> imo that's fast
[12:18] <Fator_Dee> :-)
[12:18] <zenkov> hm :-)
[12:19] <bob2> it's down to 29 seconds
[12:19] <zenkov> and GNOME and 2D(!) games, too work very slowly
[12:20] <bob2> on what sort of hardware?
[12:21] <zenkov> Athlon 700, 640Mb, RivaTNT2
[12:22] <zenkov> the slowest programs, it nautilus and gnome-panel
[12:22] <bob2> are you using hoary?
[12:23] <zenkov> no
[01:02] <LIBERTY> hi
[01:04] <Fator_Dee> there's now a windows client available to download at the PlaneShift site
[01:04] <wood1> Hi to all
[01:05] <Fator_Dee> although you have to haxor the url to be able to download it :-p
[01:05] <wood1> Amaranth, how do I connect to my Ubuntu PC from a Windows PC using SSH ?
[01:05] <wood1> I am using Secure Shell in Windows?
[01:06] <wood1> How do I use Secure Shell in Windows to connect to my Ubuntu PC ?
[01:06] <AcidPils> wood1: try putty
[01:07] <AcidPils> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
[01:07] <wood1> Well I did but somehow I can't connect to my Ubuntu PC
[01:07] <ogra> wood1: you need to install a ssh server on your ubuntu..... there is none by default
[01:07] <wood1> Doesn't SecureShell work
[01:07] <wood1> Yes I have installed it on my Ubuntu PC
[01:07] <ogra> wood1: openssh-server ?
[01:08] <wood1> How do I install openssh-server
[01:08] <AcidPils> apt-get install openssh-server
[01:09] <ogra> wood1: or with synaptic
[01:09] <AcidPils> or with aptitude ;)
[01:09] <ogra> AcidPils: and sudo ;)
[01:09] <AcidPils> no sudo
[01:09] <AcidPils> sudo sucks
[01:09] <AcidPils> i created a root user ;)
[01:10] <ogra> AcidPils: sudo is great and you gain absolutely nothing if you create a root user....just makes your sys insecure
[01:10] <wood1> It says that that openssh-server is already the newest version
[01:10] <wood1> Well the problem is connecting from a Windows PC
[01:11] <wood1> There's no problem connecting from a Linux PC
[01:11] <wood1> using SSH
[01:11] <ogra> wood1: is it running ? else start it with: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[01:11] <AcidPils> ogra: i agree, but i am fuckin lazy ;)
[01:11] <ogra> oh
[01:11] <ogra> AcidPils: heh.....if you know what you do..... :)
[01:12] <wood1> Yup, it is running
[01:13] <ogra> wood1: then putty should work
[01:13] <ogra> wood1: do you have SP2 installed on your XP ?
[01:13] <bob2> can you ping the linux machine from the windows machine?
[01:13] <ogra> wood1: it locks some ports afaik
[01:14] <wood1> Yes I can ping it
[01:15] <AcidPils> maybe have a look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config or does the basic config work?
[01:15] <AcidPils> i used an oldone so i dont know
[01:15] <bob2> the default config should work
[01:16] <bob2> I'd be guessing a bug on the windows side
[01:16] <ogra> AcidPils: the default works just fine....
[01:16] <AcidPils> it is always a windows bug if somthing doesnt work ;)
[01:16] <ogra> AcidPils: he already sid it works from linux ;)
[01:16] <ogra> said
[01:16] <AcidPils> oh, i didnt read that mea culpa, mea maxima culpa ;)
[01:17] <ogra> AcidPils: btw: frohe weihnachten.... ;)
[01:17] <AcidPils> *g* frohe ostern triffts eher bei dem wetter ;)
[01:17] <ogra> heh
[01:17] <ogra> bob2: merry xmas
[01:18] <bob2> ogra: hah, merry $holiday to you, too
[01:18] <ogra> :)
[01:18] <AcidPils> i hate it... i dint get any presents till now :(
[01:18] <bob2> btw, you made your sig on my key irrevocable...I don't think I'm worth that level of trust :)
[01:20] <ogra> heh.... havent had figured out all that stuff.....but you are not daniels, so i hope you dont load your key to weird places ;)
[01:21] <bob2> hahahahaha
[01:21] <ogra> was my first ksp..... still learning all that gpg stuff.....(but i'm more lucky then sivang.....he lost his passphrase)
[01:25] <dkg> hi
[01:25] <Lathiat2> seb128: wrt panel/nautilus coming up -- just killed al my processes 3 times and its still borked, interesting...
[01:25] <dkg> how to install mplayer?
[01:25] <bob2> oh, dang
[01:25] <Lathiat2> dkg: please read the wiki on the website
[01:25] <bob2> dkg: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:26] <dkg> thanks.
[01:26] <dkg> its in sources.list.
[01:26] <Lathiat2> dkg: so install the packages it tells you to
[01:26] <ogra> wont work, marillat changed the dependencys :(
[01:26] <Lathiat2> oh yeh, not in warty
[01:26] <Lathiat2> too bad
[01:26] <bob2> well, it was always temporary
[01:27] <ogra> yep....
[01:27] <bob2> someone needs to start building them for ubuntu
[01:27] <Lathiat2> indeed
[01:27] <seb128> Lathiat2: what about panel/nautilus ?
[01:27] <ogra> i would, but i pay for the bandwith of my server..... the mataro pics will already cost a lt
[01:27] <ogra> lot
[01:27] <dkg> on my way.
[01:27] <Lathiat2> seb128: just killing one process?
[01:28] <seb128> to do what ?
[01:28] <bob2> yeah, and the legal issues will be interesting
[01:28] <Lathiat2> seb128: well nautilus is no go, my panel (after first killing processes) now has a working showdesktop and window list, the rest is blank and still no right clicking on either panel
[01:29] <ogra> hmm...true
[01:29] <seb128> Lathiat2: killall nautilus gnome-panel gnome-vfs-daemon trashapplet
[01:30] <Lathiat2> ahh, gnome-vfs-daemon isnt running
[01:31] <ogra> bob2: gtw, where are your pics ? will you upload them anywhere ?
[01:31] <ogra> btw
[01:31] <bob2> oh, yeah, forgot about that
[01:31] <bob2> I will put them up, once I've sorted 'em out
[01:32] <ogra> bob2: there should be a place on the wiki to upload i guess there are a lot of ppl that have no place to put them
[01:32] <LoF> Hmm sorry to come back again but could i ask does anyone here use a bt voyager 105 with ubuntu?
[01:32] <LoF> yes i know they suck :P
[01:33] <bob2> hm, if you'd told me it was costing you, I'd have hosted 'em for you
[01:33] <Lathiat2> seb128: where does the gnomevfs daemon executable hide?
[01:33] <Rene_S> In Gnome Hell
[01:33] <seb128> Lathiat2: don't bother to run it, it's automatically started by GNOME stuff
[01:33] <Rene_S> :)
[01:33] <ogra> bob2: i can bear this.... its only some euroes 5 or ten for the extra bits :) but thanks
[01:33] <Lathiat2> seb128: yeh, but its not :)
[01:33] <Lathiat2> seb128: just thought id try run it, did that, killalled as above and it crashed
[01:34] <seb128> so restart your session
[01:34] <seb128> it should automatically restart
[01:34] <seb128> don't bother
[01:34] <Lathiat2> heh ok
[01:34] <bob2> ogra: np
[01:34] <seb128> Lathiat2: BTW it's /usr/lib/gnome-vfs2/gnome-vfs-daemon
[01:37] <Lathiat2> seb128: yeh found it thanks
[01:37] <Lathiat2> and
[01:37] <Lathiat2> yeh its not being started or crashing
[01:37] <Lathiat2> every time i login
[01:38] <seb128> it is for sure
[01:38] <Lathiat2> would it be usefull for me to build one with debug symbols and try to debug it or?
[01:38] <seb128> what's the problem ?
[01:39] <seb128> warty or hoary ?
[01:39] <Lathiat2> hoary
[01:39] <seb128> libgnomevfs2-0-dbg has the symbols
[01:39] <seb128> no need to rebuild
[01:39] <Lathiat2> ah sweet
[01:39] <Lathiat2> does that package contain the daemon?
[01:40] <seb128> but what kind of bug do you have ?
[01:40] <Lathiat2> panel comes up blank
[01:40] <Lathiat2> nautilus as well
[01:40] <Lathiat2> cant right click etc
[01:40] <Lathiat2> on login
[01:40] <Lathiat2> every time
[01:40] <seb128> that's a well known problem
[01:40] <seb128> with already backtraces provided
[01:40] <seb128> and known upstream
[01:40] <Lathiat2> ah right
[01:40] <Lathiat2> got a bug #?
[01:40] <seb128> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4576
[01:40] <seb128> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161997
[01:41] <Lathiat2> (sorry thought you already knew the problem cus i mentioned it above)
 Lathiat2: killall nautilus gnome-panel gnome-vfs-daemon trashapplet
[01:41] <Lathiat2> seb128: yeh that doesnt do anything
[01:41] <Lathiat2> they come back dead again
[01:41] <seb128> you use the drive applet ?
[01:41] <Lathiat2> probably because gnome-vfs-daemon isnt running at all
[01:41] <Lathiat2> yeh i do
[01:41] <seb128> so you need to add it on the line
[01:41] <Lathiat2> i use quite a few applets
[01:41] <Lathiat2> should i kill them all?
[01:41] <seb128> you need to kill all the process using gnome-vfs-daemon
[01:41] <seb128> no
[01:41] <Lathiat2> right
[01:42] <seb128> just add drive2_.. (don't remember the name)
[01:42] <Lathiat2> yep
[01:43] <mdke> hi guys, what package provides the font "Nimbus Roman"?
[01:43] <Lathiat2> seb128: no luck
[01:43] <Lathiat2> well actually i got an evolution icon in my top panel, i guess thats a start
[01:45] <HOKUM> lo ppl :)
[01:47] <Rene_S> Is Acpi and Apm only usefull for laptops ?
[01:48] <bob2> no
[01:49] <mdke> hi bob2
[01:50] <Rene_S> Wow, what an answer :)
[01:51] <Rene_S> Guess I will look it up later on
[01:51] <Lathiat2> Did you expect a 10 page essay on the issue?
[01:51] <Rene_S> Sure why not
[01:51] <HOKUM> i got 22 cds of UBUNTU linux today,for free...11 sets live CD + install CD....
[01:51] <anir> hey guys how are you all doing?
[01:52] <Lathiat2> well if you deposit $50 into my bank accoutn for each page, sure i'll write one
[01:52] <HOKUM> Rene_S:apm is shuting down your PC so you dont have to push power button,etc.... ;)
[01:52] <bob2> Rene_S: "no, it is useful on desktops too, since you can do things like throttle the cpu and put the machine into low power modes to saave electricity"
[01:52] <Lathiat2> alot more featurews are used in laptops, but it is used on desktops too, essentially
[01:52] <Rene_S> ah ok
[01:52] <Rene_S> thanks
[01:52] <mdke> Has anyone else noticed that the font Nimbus Roman No 9 L (and I believe some other fonts too) have no BOLD? I'm sure this is an upstream bug and i'd like to search for it, but I don't know where :( Can someone help me out?
[01:53] <Rene_S> I will keep it then, just wasnt sure
[01:53] <Rene_S> thanks for the info
[01:53] <HOKUM> again...i got free cds,lot of them...so what is official mail adress of ubuntu linux?i cant find it on their webby...it seems i am stupid today,or so...
[01:54] <Lathiat2> seb128: I don't see how those bugs are related because a) g-v-d has crashed, not spinning on a mutex and b) i havent restarted hal or dbus
[01:54] <seb128> Lathiat2: perhaps but since you provide 0 details on your bug ...
[01:55] <seb128> Lathiat2: the "panel and nautilus are frozen" for everybody atm is a gnome-vfs-daemon locked
[01:55] <Lathiat2> seb128: yes but i explained to you that g-v-d had crashed
[01:55] <Lathiat2> anyway
[01:55] <Lathiat2> so i'll try debug it then
[01:55] <seb128> Lathiat2: what's g-v-d ?
[01:55] <Lathiat2> gnome-vfs-daemon
[01:56] <seb128> oh
[01:56] <seb128> it should respawn
[01:56] <Lathiat2> but it doesnt, thats the thing
[01:56] <seb128> if it doesn't restart your session
[01:56] <Lathiat2> i did that
[01:56] <Lathiat2> doesnt help
[01:56] <seb128> reboot so :)
[01:56] <Lathiat2> did that too :)
[01:56] <bob2> HOKUM: which address do you mean?
[01:56] <seb128> Lathiat2: ok, good luck so
[01:56] <Lathiat2> twice :)
[01:56] <Lathiat2> heh
[01:57] <HOKUM> bob2:any adress,i just want to say thanks to them,and to ask some questions :) so some support/advertising/distribution center mail,some sort of?
[01:58] <Lathiat2> seb128: hrm.. need a libgnomevfs2-common-dbg (for debugging symbols of gnome-vfs-daemon)
[01:58] <Lathiat2> guess i will have to rebuild :)
[01:59] <bob2> HOKUM: if you want to send fanmail, info@ubuntulinux.org
[01:59] <bob2> HOKUM: if you want help with something, the user list in the topic is the place to ask
[01:59] <HOKUM> thanks bob2 :)
[02:06] <wood1> Sorry but how do I connect to a Ubuntu PC from Windows ?
[02:06] <wood1> I am using Secure Shell in Windows
[02:07] <ogra> wood1: still no luck ?
[02:07] <wood1> No
[02:07] <_hbbs> ooops
[02:07] <HOKUM> wood1:maybe with Samba?
[02:07] <wood1> Samba works fine
[02:07] <ogra> wood1: is any firewall SW on the win box running ?
[02:07] <wood1> It's just SSH from Windows which is not working
[02:08] <wood1> Any ideas for the port and the password types
[02:08] <_hbbs>  hi, I've just had some problems starting gnome, the problem was something with read/write access to a file /home/user/.ICEauthority
[02:08] <_hbbs>  the file belongs to root:root and permissions were 600 - I changed that to 666
[02:08] <wood1> The hostname is my Ubuntu's PC IP Address:
[02:08] <_hbbs>  now gnome starts up normally, but I really wonder what went wrong
[02:08] <ogra> _hbbs: so you installed buggy kde software ;)
[02:08] <_hbbs> ogra, you are right
[02:08] <ogra> _hbbs: k3b
[02:08] <pisuke> wood1, you can use putty (ssh), vnc or exceed (xserver term for windows)
[02:08] <_hbbs> I recentliy installed k3b
[02:08] <ogra> _hbbs: remove /home/user/.ICEauthority
[02:09] <wood1> Can't Secure SSH do the trick ?
[02:09] <bob2> wood1: it sounds very much like a problem on the windows machine
[02:09] <pisuke> _hbbs, just remove .ICEauthority
[02:09] <ogra> _hbbs: its known.....described on the wiki in the k3b install instructions
[02:09] <wood1> Ok I will try Putty
[02:09] <_hbbs> just remove it would do the trick? Why does gnome try to write to the file?
[02:09] <_hbbs> ogra, ill look that up, thanks
[02:09] <pisuke> wood1, and make sure you have installed ssh-server on ubuntu
[02:09] <ogra> _hbbs: X writes to it.....
[02:10] <ogra> _hbbs: but noramlly not in your home
[02:10] <wood1> I have already installed the OepnSSH Server
[02:10] <wood1> OpenSSH Server on the Ubuntu PC
[02:10] <ogra> wood1: take putty, should work
[02:10] <pisuke> wood1, ok. then putty should work fine
[02:13] <hbbs_> I hate our network's router ...
[02:25] <djuuss> hmm
[02:25] <djuuss> why is firefox crashing all the time?
[02:25] <zenkov> :-)
[02:26] <bob2> does it affect other users, or just tours?
[02:26] <vladster> wow what a crowd, anybody awake
[02:26] <ogra> djuuss: did you run it with sudo at any time ?
[02:26] <djuuss> no
[02:26] <djuuss> why should i
[02:26] <zenkov> How to return cursor XFree?
[02:27] <ogra>  djuuss: dunno, there are such crazy ppl
[02:27] <djuuss> thanks
[02:27] <djuuss> ;)
[02:27] <xevil> djuuss I haven't had a problem with it... what version and on what linux?
[02:27] <djuuss> just the version that comes with warty
[02:27] <vladster> question, what is the current Kernel offering with ubuntu
[02:27] <zenkov> New cursor it is not pleasant to me
[02:27] <djuuss> 2.6.8
[02:28] <ogra> djuuss: mine works fine here, on all my systems
[02:28] <vladster> Xfree86 of Xorg?
[02:28] <djuuss> xfree
[02:28] <ogra> vladster: xfree in stable xorg in unstable
[02:28] <djuuss> it used to work fine, but now its unusable
[02:28] <ogra> vladster: unstable gets stable in april
[02:28] <vladster> ANy problems with NVidia drivers?
[02:28] <xevil> djuuss what video card?
[02:28] <djuuss> nvidia
[02:28] <ogra> vladster: not on stable
[02:29] <djuuss> hmm
[02:29] <djuuss> i did get the new nvidia drivers
[02:29] <vladster> What is the leanest window managet that comes with it
[02:29] <djuuss> 66xomething
[02:29] <ogra> vladster: metacity in gnome
[02:30] <vladster> so run gdm with Meta
[02:30] <ogra> djuuss: maybe thats your prob ? why didnt you use the ubuntu pkg ?
[02:30] <djuuss> thats still version 6111
[02:30] <ogra> vladster: nope, gdm with gnome, which uses metacity as windowmanager
[02:30] <djuuss> probarbly my fault i guess then
[02:30] <xevil> djuuss I just used the binary nvidia-glx... maybe it doesn't like the newer drivers
[02:30] <ogra> djuuss: but is tested and works ;)
[02:30] <vladster> Does Ubuntu autofetch the NVidia driver or is it a manual install
[02:31] <djuuss> true that :P
[02:31] <djuuss> vladster: autofetch through apt
[02:31] <ogra> vladster: it is a two line command
[02:31] <bob2> vladster: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:32] <djuuss> omg
[02:32] <djuuss> passwd isn't accpeted anymore
[02:32] <ogra> djuuss: ?
[02:32] <djuuss> from gdm
[02:32] <cenerentola> does someone know a good vendor of low-power hardware [motherboards, cpus] ?
[02:32] <djuuss> commandline it's still ok
[02:33] <vladster> does Ubuntu use source repositories as well as debs
[02:33] <djuuss> i'm resizing my / now with qtparted :)
[02:34] <djuuss> used to be 80Gb
[02:34] <djuuss> not a good idear right?
[02:34] <ogra> djuuss: hmm, space for software for the next 5 years :)
[02:34] <ogra> djuuss: or a trillion icons in /usr/share/pixmaps *g*
[02:35] <etorix> heh .. stuph expands to fill available space
[02:35] <bob2> vladster: yes, just like Debian
[02:36] <PotajiTo> wenas
[02:36] <djuuss> hm
[02:36] <djuuss> it hangs
[02:36] <djuuss> i'm trying to delete my swap partition
[02:37] <djuuss> but i did swapoff it first!
[02:38] <ogra> djuuss: so it probably still moves the things to mem....swapoff can take ages if there is something in the swap
[02:38] <vladster> I am sick of fighting with the screwed up permission setup of suse
[02:39] <vladster> I want to go back to a debian based setup and do everything on my own
[02:40] <potato> vladster, try crux -> www.crux.nu
[02:40] <ogra> vladster: no need to tweak something on your own on ubuntu....but its possible....as its debian based :)
[02:40] <djuuss> ogra: but it already prints me a new $
[02:40] <potato> tis not debian baed, though
[02:40] <ogra> djuuss: hmm, ok
[02:40] <bob2> "prints me a new $"?
[02:40] <djuuss> how do i clear my MBR and boot sector?
[02:41] <bob2> why?
[02:41] <djuuss> bob2: yeah you know, when you execute something, you see a new $ when the command is finished?
[02:41] <bob2> oh, prompt, right
[02:42] <djuuss> bob2: i want to get a clean install of GRUB so i can add new distro's i can boot
[02:42] <vladster> that looks like it would fit on my old unisys CWD5001, a pentium 166 with 128 megs and a 1 gig drive
[02:43] <bob2> djuuss: you don't need to clear anything then
[02:43] <djuuss> it still pops up my old Yoper lilo when i boot from hdc1
[02:43] <bob2> vladster: ubuntu's default install won't fit into 1GB
[02:43] <djuuss> but that lilo points to /dev/hda
[02:43] <bob2> djuuss: just rerun grub-installer
[02:43] <djuuss> i am
[02:43] <djuuss> grub-install --recheck /dev/hdc
[02:43] <djuuss>  # grub-install --recheck /dev/hdc
[02:43] <djuuss> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[02:43] <bob2> yes
[02:44] <bob2> that's /dev/hdc
[02:44] <djuuss> and it is taking a long time
[02:44] <bob2> which your bios does not boot
[02:44] <djuuss> by default no
[02:44] <vladster> I bought that so I could use it at work and nobody will know how to mess with it
[02:44] <djuuss> but i can select it in the boot menu
[02:44] <vladster> I just need to fine a distro light enough to fit it
[02:45] <djuuss> minislack?
[02:45] <vladster> ubuntu is fine for my home box
[02:45] <cenerentola> vladster: ubuntu's custom installation
[02:45] <vladster> I have a 60 gig drive and a half a gig of ram
[02:45] <ogra> vladster: you can do a custom install with xfce or icew,
[02:45] <ogra> m
[02:45] <bob2> vladster: debian or ubuntu will fit fine
[02:45] <bob2> just not in the default install
[02:46] <etorix> at what stage is the custom option in the installer?
[02:46] <ogra> etorix: at the very beginning
[02:46] <cenerentola> vladster: or just use the "expert" parameter to launch the installer
[02:46] <bob2> bootint
[02:46] <etorix> id like a base-install
[02:46] <vladster> At work all I need is something to write my own code on that the it managers won't be able to hack into, they are all either AIX or Windows idiots
[02:46] <etorix> ah... riiight
[02:46] <cenerentola> etorix: custom
[02:47] <djuuss> hey it worked :) i deleted my swap partition
[02:47] <etorix> i didnt explore that screen enough
[02:47] <vladster> They couyld not find there way around an interface that is not drag and fdrop
[02:48] <vladster> and since it does not have a cdrom, they can't just mount an inquisitor disk
[02:49] <djuuss> get icewm then :)
[02:50] <djuuss> 0.o the grub installer is finished
[02:50] <Rene_S> Wow, thats impressive ... When ya all take a break check out the movie trailer for Sin City
[02:50] <djuuss> it *found* the bios names
[02:50] <vladster> I will be using ice
[02:51] <djuuss> can you resize a mounted partition without mayor data loss?
[02:51] <vladster> got to go thanks for the info, last shopping details and I am done for the season
[02:52] <ogra> djuuss: you cant
[02:52] <bob2> depends on the FS
[02:52] <bob2> ext3 and xfs can be increased online
[02:52] <djuuss> reiserfs
[02:52] <bob2> hah
[02:52] <ogra> djuuss: not on a mounted one i think
[02:52] <djuuss> and with minor data loss?:P
[02:52] <bob2> xfs can be resized while online
[02:52] <ogra> ah, yeah
[02:53] <djuuss> reiserfs is the best
[02:53] <ogra> bah
[02:53] <Lathiat2> you can increaste ext3 adn xfs online? wow thats cool
[02:53] <Lathiat2> didnt know that
[02:53] <djuuss> sounds logical xually
[02:53] <Lathiat2> well yeh
[02:53] <Lathiat2> but i mean i'd be impressed if you could expand them reliably offline
[02:54] <bob2> resier doesn't support it, afaik
[02:54] <bob2> resizing offline is waaay easier
[02:54] <djuuss> no i want to take it from 80GB to 8
[02:55] <bob2> then you'll need to backup and restore
[02:55] <bob2> unless parted suports it
[02:55] <djuuss> it does actually
[02:55] <djuuss> but not on mounted disks i suppose
[02:58] <ogra> bob2: man  xfs_growfs:   The  filesystem  must be mounted to be grown (see mount(8)). COOL
[02:58] <bob2> hah
[03:03] <rod> merry christmas
[03:04] <zenkov> hm :-( no sound
[03:04] <bob2> k/win54
[03:05] <djuuss> anyone have experience with installing pclinuxos to hd?
[03:06] <zenkov> Strange. lsmod shows all necessary modules.
[03:06] <rod> zenkov, what card?
[03:06] <ogra> zenkov: laptop ?
[03:06] <bob2> is your mixer muted?
[03:07] <Fator_Dee> what's the difference between ReiserFS and Ext3?
[03:07] <bob2> lots
[03:07] <djuuss> reiserfs is twice as fast
[03:07] <ogra> Fator_Dee: reiser is unstable
[03:07] <rod> the difference between a boy and a man
[03:07] <djuuss> ogra: blasphemer!
[03:07] <djuuss> :P
[03:07] <ogra> Fator_Dee: but hans reiser sells it as stable :-P
[03:07] <etorix> ive been using reiserfs for years
[03:07] <rod> hmm its stable to me
[03:07] <zenkov> ogg123 does not work with OSS, ALSA, ESD :-/
[03:08] <joh_> Is there planned any ntfs/fat32 shrinker capabilities in the hoary, or later, installer?
[03:08] <rod> eagering to try rf4
[03:08] <bob2> no, reiser is not twice as fast
[03:08] <djuuss> reiserfs is *fassssst*
[03:08] <ogra> zenkov: do you have sound anywhere else ?
[03:08] <bob2> joh_: yes
[03:08] <etorix> ive tried it
[03:08] <rod> 3times as fast
[03:08] <zenkov> rod: SB live
[03:08] <zenkov> bob2: :-)
[03:08] <joh_> bob2, cool, any onfo on the wiki?
[03:08] <rod> modprobe emu10k1 done?
[03:08] <bob2> joh_: don't think so
[03:08] <etorix> Reiser4 aint good to install to
[03:09] <etorix>  but its ok for storage
[03:09] <djuuss> and whatever you do, your hd will never rattle and grind like it would on Ext3
[03:09] <rod> can grub/lilo already boot from rf4?
[03:09] <djuuss> rod: lilo can
[03:09] <etorix> and reiser4progs is in ubuntu iirc
[03:09] <ogra> djuuss: xfs is as fast as reiser, but martue
[03:09] <bob2> please don't spread fud about filesystems, guys
[03:10] <djuuss> hehe
[03:10] <djuuss> ogra: never tried xfs
[03:10] <etorix> i have .. xfs is ok
[03:10] <etorix> and jfs
[03:10] <etorix>  but reiserfs is my favorite
[03:10] <rod> it tried vfat, and that is not ok
[03:10] <djuuss> :D
[03:10] <rod> lol
[03:11] <Fator_Dee> well, i've been happy with my ext3
[03:11] <etorix> linux on vfat?
[03:11] <djuuss> bob2: is it okay to spread fud on vfat?
[03:11] <ogra> heh
[03:11] <zenkov> ogra... yes. In Microsoft Windows and Gentoo Linux. The sound was and in Ubuntu, but now it for some reason is not present
[03:11] <rod> lol djuuss
[03:11] <etorix> prolly
[03:11] <ogra> zenkov: i meant in your current install
[03:11] <rod> bijdehandje ;-)
[03:12] <ogra> zenkov: system sounds etc
[03:12] <djuuss> vfat is toch ook bagger
[03:12] <bob2> djuuss: of course ;-P
[03:12] <zenkov> ogra no
[03:12] <rod> is ook
[03:12] <kebac> what means "to spread fud"
[03:12] <ogra> zenkov:. is it a laptop, or do you have a pci winmodem ?
[03:13] <ogra> kebac: Fear Uncertainy and Doubt
[03:13] <quangruoi> !list
[03:13] <djuuss> if you try and install ubuntu on vfat, after 3 days it'll sound like you put pebbles in the kitchenaid
[03:13] <kebac> ogra: right
[03:13] <quangruoi> go !list
[03:13] <etorix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD
[03:13] <rod> that aint fud
[03:13] <rod> its true
[03:14] <rod> It WILL sound like you put pebbles in the kitchenaid
[03:14] <zenkov> ogra: no :-)
[03:14] <djuuss> my primary itch with filesystems is the sound of the harddrive
[03:14] <djuuss> and with reiserfs, there *is* no sound
[03:14] <quangruoi> list
[03:14] <quangruoi> !list
[03:14] <ogra> zenkov: post the output of : lsmod|grep snd  to #flood please
[03:14] <bob2> quangruoi: please don't do that
[03:14] <rod> great bummer that i cant play any games on my amd64 machine... it's all been made for 32 so it wont even install
[03:15] <bob2> !list
[03:15] <zenkov> hm... modules of a sound card are loaded
[03:15] <rod> !list
[03:15] <etorix> 0 .. i like the checking -sounds at boot in reiser
[03:15] <ogra> list ?
[03:15] <rod> ohhh that !list is cool
[03:15] <rod> everyone try it
[03:15] <ogra> !list
[03:15] <ogra> *g*
[03:15] <etorix> !list
[03:15] <rod> lol
[03:15] <quangruoi> !list
[03:15] <rod> lol
[03:15] <quangruoi> *E*
[03:16] <rod> lol
[03:16] <quangruoi> looooooooooooooooooooooooooool
[03:16] <tsw> !list
[03:16] <rod> lol
[03:16] <tsw> hehe
[03:16] <quangruoi> hehe
[03:16] <zenkov> :-)
[03:17] <quangruoi> ya qq'un qui connais le franais
[03:17] <ogra> zenkov: looks ok so far.....
[03:17] <rwabel> oui
[03:17] <rod> qui qui connais qui le francais
[03:17] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[03:17] <tsw> Merry merry Christmas to all :)
[03:17] <rwabel> moi
[03:17] <quangruoi> merry christmas
[03:17] <rwabel> german, frensch or english
[03:17] <da_bon_bon> merry christmas all
[03:17] <da_bon_bon> how do ichange themes in ubuntu?
[03:17] <quangruoi> moi, j suis en train de chercher l'ebook
[03:17] <ogra> zenkov: not soure if the order is right though
[03:17] <zenkov> ogra ok
[03:17] <rod> happy christmas and a merry new year
[03:17] <quangruoi> oeuih
[03:18] <rwabel> quelle ebook?
[03:18] <bob2> da_bon_bon: computer -> desktop -> theme
[03:18] <ogra> zenkov: did you load any of them manually or is this the list the sys loaded ?
[03:18] <rwabel> da_bon_bon: go to theme manager under system prefernece
[03:18] <quangruoi> e book de Visual basic
[03:18] <quangruoi> pour l'office 200"
[03:18] <rwabel> et pourkoi tu cherches ici pour ces ebooks?
[03:19] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i see u r here as well as on fedora. thanks tho' which distro u use?
[03:19] <ogra> guys, #ubuntu-fr
[03:19] <da_bon_bon> rwabel: thnx
[03:19] <zenkov> ogra: yesterday all worked
[03:19] <djuuss> !list
[03:19] <bob2> da_bon_bon: I've never used fedora
[03:19] <ogra> zenkov: warty or hoary ?
[03:19] <bob2> da_bon_bon: I use Debian and Ubuntu
[03:19] <bob2> heh, they're the only OS's I use at all, in fact
[03:19] <quangruoi> debian
[03:20] <quangruoi> c bien
[03:20] <rwabel> da_bon_bon: does it work for you to change themes? in my version it's quit fucked up all
[03:20] <zenkov> ogra: warty
[03:20] <ogra> zenkov: what did you do between yesterday and now ?
[03:20] <rod> oh ja?
[03:21] <rwabel> djuus: c'est vrai that's wunderbar! :-)
[03:21] <quangruoi> !list
[03:21] <rod> ganz geil
[03:21] <djuuss> ja die spammende kutfransozen
[03:21] <djuuss> helemaal geen zin in
[03:21] <rod> dit is een internationaal channel in nature... dus ja.. dan hoor je wel eens vreemde talen he :s
[03:21] <ogra> djuuss: your german has a strange dialect ;)
[03:21] <rwabel> djuus: was franzose?
[03:21] <quangruoi> !list
[03:22] <rwabel> djuuss: bin kein franzose
[03:22] <da_bon_bon> can anyone tell me the best theme personally using for ubuntu? plz dont tell me just 'gnome-look.org'
[03:22] <rod> maak er wat van djuuss, inkoppertje
[03:22] <djuuss> rwabel: i wasn't talking about anyone in particualr
[03:23] <rwabel> would be intersting to see a graphic with all country representation
[03:23] <da_bon_bon> can anyone tell me the best theme personally using for ubuntu? plz dont tell me just 'gnome-look.org'
[03:23] <ogra> da_bon_bon: human , heh
[03:23] <rwabel> da_bon_bon: just look at gnome-look.org, just kiding...it's up to u
[03:23] <rwabel> djuuss: hehe I know
[03:23] <rod> gonxical met metabox en suede
[03:23] <da_bon_bon> ogra: hey anything cool, crystal, transperencies... human doesnt have that
[03:24] <djuuss> human is boring
[03:24] <ogra> da_bon_bon: trans is not a theming thing
[03:24] <Fator_Dee> Mist is good
[03:24] <da_bon_bon> ogra: whats trans ?
[03:24] <zenkov> ogra: removed arts, build new kernel (but not install), remove some files from rc3.d
[03:24] <djuuss> i just use glider
[03:24] <ogra> da_bon_bon: transparency
[03:24] <ogra> zenkov: what for did you have arts installed ?
[03:25] <ogra> zenkov: removing things from rc3.d has no effect on default systems..... debian/ubuntu uses rc2.d
[03:26] <da_bon_bon> djuuss: yes human is borin
[03:26] <da_bon_bon> djuuss: i liked glider..
[03:26] <djuuss> get some deviantart backgrounds
[03:27] <djuuss> hear hear
[03:28] <zenkov> ogra for kppp
[03:29] <ogra> zenkov: that needs a soundserver ??? weird
[03:29] <zenkov> ogra: :-)
[03:33] <da_bon_bon> which is a OSS akin to ACDSee
[03:34] <ogra> da_bon_bon: gthumb ?
[03:34] <djuuss> kuickshow
[03:34] <ogra> da_bon_bon: gqview
[03:34] <ogra> djuuss: thats rather on kubuntu ;)
[03:34] <da_bon_bon> something which also has a win32 port?
[03:34] <djuuss> you can just apt it
[03:35] <djuuss> doesnt have any kde deps
[03:35] <ogra> oh
[03:35] <ogra> so kudos to the author.....
[03:35] <djuuss> kuickshow uses the mousewheel to browse through pictures in the same folder, just like ACDSee does
[03:36] <djuuss> but it skips movie files, unlike acdsee, which is a GOOD THING
[03:37] <da_bon_bon> why good?
[03:37] <djuuss> you on windows?
[03:38] <djuuss> put some mpgs and avis in a folder with pictures
[03:38] <djuuss> open a picture
[03:38] <djuuss> spin the mousewheel
[03:38] <ogra> indexing takes its time ;)
[03:38] <da_bon_bon> where do i get some mac os x themes for ubuntu?
[03:39] <djuuss> get a ppc emulator, install mac os x
[03:39] <djuuss> try bochs
[03:39] <da_bon_bon> djuuss: bochs doesnt emulate ppc :) :D
[03:39] <da_bon_bon> i want a theme
[03:39] <djuuss> but you can try ;)
[03:39] <djuuss> gnomeart?
[03:40] <etorix> or pearpc
[03:40] <ogra> art.gnome.org
[03:40] <djuuss> i'm sure i saw one up there
[03:44] <da_bon_bon> do i get the GTK themes or metacity ones?
[03:44] <bob2> what do you want to theme?
[03:44] <ogra> da_bon_bon: gtk are the widgets (button, scrollbars) metacity are the window borders
[03:45] <da_bon_bon> bob2: my desktop and windows and buttons...
[03:45] <da_bon_bon> just like human or glider
[03:45] <bob2> so you want both then
[03:45] <da_bon_bon> yes
[03:45] <ogra> plux nautilus
[03:45] <ogra> plus
[03:45] <da_bon_bon> and how do i install from the .tar.gz files?
[03:45] <da_bon_bon> and how do i install from the .tar.gz files?
[03:45] <ogra> da_bon_bon: through the theme manager
[03:46] <da_bon_bon> ogra: ok
[03:46] <ogra> da_bon_bon: drag n drop them ;)
[03:47] <da_bon_bon> ogra: drag and drop where?
[03:47] <ogra> tot the theme manager
[03:48] <da_bon_bon> ok
[03:49] <da_bon_bon> ogra: afetr dragging and dropping, they dont appear
[03:50] <da_bon_bon> hey can pearpc be setup as a widnwow manager?
[03:50] <bob2> no
[03:50] <ogra> da_bon_bon: first there should appear a popup.....asking if you want to install....
[03:50] <bob2> it's an emulator, etorix was joking
[03:51] <da_bon_bon> ogra: yes it did  i selected instal.. and o show
[03:51] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no check out this page... http://aqua-look.org/ in menu select pearPC
[03:51] <plasmo> da_bon_bon: or if all else fails. untar it and copy the folder. into /.themes
[03:51] <ogra> da_bon_bon: you probably need to logout/in to have them appear or restart gconfd (not sure about that)
[03:52] <plasmo> da_bon_bon: probli tarred incorrectly
[03:52] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: ok.
[03:52] <da_bon_bon> ogra: i will try loging back in
[03:52] <da_bon_bon> anyway, howz XFCE ?
[03:52] <ogra> slim
[03:52] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes, read what it says, the guy is on crack
[03:53] <da_bon_bon> bob2: meaning?
[03:53] <bob2> ignore everything and anythign he/she says
[03:53] <ogra> da_bon_bon: he writes rubbish
[03:53] <da_bon_bon> oh ok
[03:53] <amadomora> alguien q hable espaol?
[03:54] <da_bon_bon> anyway, how si xfce as a DE ?
[03:54] <ogra> amadomora: #ubuntu-es
[03:54] <amadomora> estamos probando ububnto y nos parece una maravilla...
[03:54] <da_bon_bon> how do i see a description of a software before installing it?
[03:55] <ogra> amadomora: /join #ubuntu-es
[03:55] <bob2> amadomora: no hable espanol
[03:55] <bob2> da_bon_bon: aptr-cache show packagename
[03:55] <bob2> or look at it in synaptic or whatevr
[03:55] <amadomora> como en entro a ubunto-es?
[03:55] <ogra> amadomora: /join #ubuntu-es
[03:56] <da_bon_bon> how do i apply .tar.bz2 xmms themes?
[03:56] <plasmo>  /.xmms/Skins
[03:57] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: i copy the .tar.bz2 there?
[03:57] <amadomora> ogra como puedo accesar a ubuntu-es?
[03:57] <plasmo> try that or either untar it
[03:57] <bob2> you unpack it in there
[03:57] <da_bon_bon> oh ok
[03:57] <ogra> amadomora: use the command: /join #ubuntu-es
[03:57] <bob2> amadomora: gr
[03:58] <amadomora> ok pero donde?
[03:58] <zanshin> Greetings...
[03:59] <da_bon_bon> how do i use tar command from cli to unpack?
[03:59] <bob2> tar -jxf blah.tar.bz2
[03:59] <ogra> da_bon_bon: tar xjvf
[03:59] <fsmw> i got my ubuntu CD's!
[03:59] <fsmw> just arrived!
[03:59] <ogra> fsmw: merry xmas ;)
[03:59] <plasmo> fsmw: now pay for them :)
[04:00] <zanshin> Has anyone had problems setting the screen resolution? I've got warty installed on an old ThinkPad that has a Neomagic MagicGraph 128ZV video card... it's stuck at 600x480 :(
[04:00] <fsmw> plasmo, we're thinking on that, because we want to use ubuntu as our desktop instead mandrake
[04:00] <djuuss> just go Computer-->sysconfig-->screen resolution
[04:00] <da_bon_bon> ogra: i used file roller...
[04:00] <plasmo> :-)
[04:00] <Lathiat2> seb128: it seems to be related, if i turn off my external USB drive it starts fine
[04:00] <da_bon_bon> done my xmms look better.
[04:01] <da_bon_bon> how do i use winamp skins on xmms ? .wsz ? possible
[04:01] <plasmo> da_bon_bon: yes
[04:01] <bob2> cd ~/.xmms/Skins/
[04:01] <zanshin> djuuss... been there done that. Only option listed is 600x480. Ubuntu didn't pick up all the resolutions this card supports
[04:01] <bob2> unzip blah.wsz
[04:01] <plasmo> da_bon_bon: just put in the same folder
[04:01] <ogra> fsmw: you can just use it
[04:01] <djuuss> add the other options to the xfree config file
[04:02] <djuuss> the hard way
[04:02] <bob2> zanshin: please file a bug, including the output of 'lspci', 'lspci -n', 'dmesg' and 'lsmod'.
[04:02] <zanshin> Where is the xfree config file located?
[04:02] <da_bon_bon> oh thats GREAT. i will try
[04:02] <plasmo> wsz is just a renamed zip ;d
[04:02] <da_bon_bon> zanshin: /etc/XF86config-4
[04:02] <ogra> zanshin: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:02] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: but how will zip file extarct into proper folder for xmms?
[04:03] <zanshin> Thanks
[04:03] <plasmo>  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:03] <seb128> Lathiat2: a new gnomevfs without hal is available, could you update and check if you still get the bug ?
[04:03] <Lathiat2> seb128: yeh just finished debuilding it
[04:03] <plasmo> just put the wsz in there
[04:03] <Lathiat2> seb128: oh wait
[04:03] <Lathiat2> seb128: in ubuntu archives?
[04:03] <seb128> yep
[04:03] <Lathiat2> seb128: heh i built 2.9.3 with hal on, too see how that went
[04:03] <plasmo> no need for unzipping
[04:03] <Lathiat2> i'll try both
[04:04] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: without even renaming?
[04:04] <plasmo> xmms supports wsz
[04:04] <da_bon_bon> oh ok
[04:05] <plasmo> .xmms/Skins/skin.wsz
[04:08] <zanshin> ogra: dpkg -reconfigure zserver-xfree86 results in: "dpkg: conflicting actions --control and --remove
[04:08] <bob2> Lathiat2: apt-ftparchive
[04:09] <bob2> zanshin: no, dpkg-reconfigure, one word
[04:09] <zanshin> Oops.
[04:09] <Lathiat2> bob2: wrong channel but thanks :)
[04:15] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: do i extract gnome themes folder directly? and where did u say?
[04:15] <plasmo>  /.themes
[04:15] <plasmo> look at the folder format when u extract it
[04:16] <plasmo> has to be [themename] /[metacity1] 
[04:16] <plasmo> or something like that
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: the folder directly?
[04:16] <plasmo> people usually tar it up at [name] /[themename] /[metacity1]  and thats why it wont install
[04:16] <plasmo> yes
[04:17] <da_bon_bon> so i dont rename the tar, but extract foler in .themes right?
[04:17] <zanshin> okay... dpkg-reconfigure completed. (Not sure about some of my answers, but hey, life is an experiment.) Now what, re-boot?
[04:17] <plasmo> extract it somewhere else first and look at the folder format
[04:17] <teuf> hi
[04:17] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: how must it be?
[04:17] <plasmo> [themename] /[metacity1] 
[04:18] <da_bon_bon> example?
[04:18] <da_bon_bon> please?
[04:18] <plasmo> actually lol
[04:18] <teuf> I grabbed a hoary installation iso and am trying to install it on a brand new computer, but it fails to find my cdrom drive during the installation. It probably has something to do with the fact that the comp has a sata hd, any hint ?
[04:18] <plasmo> i remembered wrong. its .themes/EdgeMCity/Edge2/metacity-1
[04:19] <plasmo> or if its a gtk theme .themes/Industrial-GONX/gtk-2.0
[04:19] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: thats the FOLDERS that must be in there ?
[04:19] <plasmo> just show me wat skin u are using to use. would be much easier lol
[04:20] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: is this correct: /home/rohandhruva/.themes/RPanther Milk/metacity-1
[04:20] <plasmo> yeah
[04:20] <Lathiat2> seb128: Hey dude, new one works (and i tried 2.9.3+cvs20041224 i debuilded with hal and its broken)
[04:20] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: then why not showing up?? :(
[04:20] <plasmo> and go to your gnome-theme-manager and check out the border
[04:20] <plasmo> metacity = border. u checked there?
[04:20] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: also this: /home/rohandhruva/.themes/RPanther2 has folders gtk-2.0 and metacity in it
[04:21] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: yes but its not showing in the theme manager
[04:21] <da_bon_bon> teuf: where did u get hoary install iso from ?
[04:21] <plasmo> weird o_o
[04:21] <plasmo> click theme detail > window borders
[04:22] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: but the theme itself doesnt show up...
[04:22] <da_bon_bon> teuf: where did u get hoary install iso from ?
[04:22] <plasmo> u talking about the main theme windows. where theres human,crux,default..
[04:22] <plasmo> ?
[04:23] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: yes.
[04:24] <plasmo> it doesnt need to show up there. depends on the author of the theme
[04:24] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: then how do i instal lthe theme?
[04:24] <plasmo> @_@
[04:24] <da_bon_bon> meaning?
[04:24] <teuf> da_bon_bon, http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/hoary/array-2/
[04:24] <da_bon_bon> teuf: thanks..
[04:25] <seb128> Lathiat2: ok, cool
[04:25] <da_bon_bon> teuf: theres also any array-1, whats that?
[04:25] <plasmo> meaning themes dont need to show up on the main theme window
[04:25] <teuf> da_bon_bon, I'd say it's an older release
[04:25] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: then how ?
[04:26] <plasmo> just gimme the link to the theme and ill test it out >_>
[04:26] <da_bon_bon> teuf: ok
[04:26] <da_bon_bon> wait
[04:26] <Lathiat2> seb128: what does the hal support in gnomevfs actually do?
[04:26] <seb128> question for teuf :p
[04:27] <Lathiat2> haha ok
[04:27] <seb128> devices get cool names and have the right type
[04:27] <Lathiat2> ah right
[04:27] <Lathiat2> that is cool
[04:27] <seb128> but out of this I'm not sure
[04:27] <Lathiat2> but i'd rather have a working desktop for now :)
[04:27] <seb128> that's why I've uploaded the new without hal
[04:27] <Lathiat2> indeed
[04:28] <Lathiat2> seems to only be an issue if you've got an external usb disk or something similar
[04:28] <seb128> nop
[04:28] <Lathiat2> dunno about the mutex locking stuff, havent had that issue
[04:28] <seb128> the desktop is hanging each time you get a dbus/hal update
[04:28] <Lathiat2> ah well the crasher only seems to be on start
[04:29] <Lathiat2> cus if i turn my usb disk on after start
[04:29] <Lathiat2> its fine
[04:29] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: i will try logging out and back in,
[04:29] <da_bon_bon> please wait
[04:29] <Lathiat2> but like i said, i dont get the hanging issue
[04:29] <Lathiat2> which is separate
[04:29] <plasmo> ok :|
[04:29] <da_bon_bon> wait
[04:29] <Lathiat2> seb128: is it just me or is there no + icon for the add button in add applet?
[04:29] <plasmo> yep
[04:29] <seb128> Lathiat2: that's a bug
[04:30] <Lathiat2> ah ok cool
[04:30] <seb128> "cool" ? you like bugs ? :p
[04:30] <Lathiat2> haha
[04:30] <Lathiat2> no as in its not just me :P
[04:30] <Lathiat2> and some weird issue thats hard to track down :)
[04:31] <plasmo> lucky the last time i updated my ubuntu to hoary was about 3 weeks ago. and it pretty bugfree lol :)
[04:32] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: it does show up in theme details, but not all themes
[04:33] <plasmo> well it depends on the themes config file
[04:33] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: got all
[04:33] <da_bon_bon> thnx
[04:34] <plasmo> ok =D
[04:34] <plasmo> da_bon_bon: u from australia?
[04:35] <plasmo> your ip looks very australianish. 210.**** lol
[04:35] <Lathiat2> hes not
[04:35] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: india. how did u get my ip?
[04:35] <Lathiat2> heh
[04:35] <plasmo> alrite
[04:35] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: /whois da_bon_bon
[04:35] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: how did u get my ip?
[04:35] <plasmo> freenode shows all ip
[04:35] <da_bon_bon> oh ok
[04:36] <plasmo> da_bon_bon (~da_bon_bo@210.18.160.134) has joined #ubuntu
[04:36] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: in /whois i cant see ip
[04:36] <da_bon_bon> anyway to hide my ip?
[04:36] <Lathiat2> yeh you can
[04:36] <Lathiat2> and no theres not
[04:36] <Lathiat2> and it doesnt really hurt much to have your ip
[04:36] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: i cant see plasmos. try.
[04:36] <plasmo> proxy
[04:37] <plasmo>  /dns plasmo
[04:37] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: his has a hostname, you can look that up
[04:38] <da_bon_bon> ok
[04:40] <da_bon_bon> how do i trace ip on a world map like visualrout in linux ?
[04:41] <plasmo> no idea o.0
[04:41] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: visualroute isnt very accurate and there probably isnt a similar tool
[04:41] <spity> da_bon_bon: get VR for linux?
[04:41] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: i see you are from aussie
[04:41] <CheatersRealm_> vr is on the web. it's java.
[04:41] <plasmo> yep
[04:41] <CheatersRealm_> at least a demo version
[04:41] <spity> da_bon_bon: heh, you can tell that from his /whois too :)
[04:42] <plasmo> :)
[04:42] <spity> da_bon_bon: btw, you can get similar info for free with geoip
[04:42] <da_bon_bon> thnx spity
[04:42] <spity> Djrom: like quagga/zebra?
[04:43] <bob2> da_bon_bon: xt
[04:43] <CheatersRealm_> spity, I can tell yo're from czech republic from your whoiis..
[04:43] <da_bon_bon> bob2: whats xt?
[04:43] <da_bon_bon> spity: how do i get geoip?
[04:43] <bob2> da_bon_bon: apt-cache show xt
[04:43] <spity> CheatersRealm_: no sh*t ;), and i guess you're from US east coast :)
[04:43] <Djrom> spity  , i don't know...like Cisco eSim for Windows
[04:43] <CheatersRealm_> spity, WHOA! YOU'RE GOOD.
[04:44] <CheatersRealm_> :)
[04:44] <spity> :)
[04:44] <CheatersRealm> ok
[04:44] <CheatersRealm> does anyone have real working transparency in lniux?
[04:44] <spity> CheatersRealm: baltimore maybe? :))
[04:44] <CheatersRealm> spity, unless I'm using an irc proxy
[04:45] <spity> Djrom: oh, well don't know about any simulator, quagga is just bgp,ospf,etc sw
[04:45] <CheatersRealm> spity, I'm actually your neighbor to the east
[04:45] <plasmo> i need newer autoconf and automake and some other stuff :/
[04:45] <Djrom> arg
[04:45] <da_bon_bon> spity: how do iget geoip?
[04:45] <spity> CheatersRealm: how much east? :) you know you could take baltimore as east of me too :)
[04:45] <bob2> plasmo: for what?
[04:45] <spity> da_bon_bon: it's library
[04:45] <bob2> da_bon_bon: xt doesn't do what you wanted?
[04:45] <CheatersRealm> spity, not that much east :)
[04:45] <Djrom> i'm search for a Cisco router simulator
[04:45] <bob2> CheatersRealm: lots of people have that
[04:45] <bob2> it's just bloody slow
[04:45] <da_bon_bon> bob2: installing xt
[04:46] <ogra> CheatersReans trans doesnt work yet, its just proof of concept, like xcompmgr for shadows
[04:46] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i was thinking of trying geoip too..
[04:46] <plasmo> for compiling something lol
[04:46] <spity> CheatersRealm: .sk, .ua,.ru,.cn,.jp? :)
[04:46] <bob2> da_bon_bon: do you know what geoip is?
[04:46] <bob2> plasmo: you don't need autoconf or automake installed to compile software
[04:46] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no
[04:46] <CheatersRealm> spity, actually its baltimore.east.verizon.net or whatever.
[04:46] <CheatersRealm> lol
[04:47] <plasmo> cal3d. autogen.sh needs it :/
[04:47] <gir_> hi, i'm having some issues with rhythmbox and hope someone can help.
[04:47] <gir_> firstly, what do i need to add .mp3 support to sound juicer?
[04:47] <bob2> plasmo: unless you're pulling from cvs, that's a bug
[04:47] <plasmo> trying to cvs planeshift #planeshift a mmorpg game for linux/mac/win . new release just 2 hours ago
[04:47] <spity> CheatersRealm: well, you said you were east to me, so i asked which cntry :)
[04:47] <plasmo> ahh
[04:47] <ogra> gir_: gstreamer0.8-lame
[04:48] <gir_> ogra: great thanks!
[04:48] <ogra> gir_: from multiverse
[04:48] <Lathiat2> hrm.. is there no gtkhtml2 module for python in hoary?
[04:49] <plasmo> ill just wait for planeshift linux binarys then :) should be out next week
[04:49] <CheatersRealm> bob2, you were talking about the transparency being slow?
[04:49] <da_bon_bon> bob2: how do i run xt?
[04:49] <bob2> CheatersRealm: yes
[04:49] <ogra> CheatersRealm: trans doesnt work yet, its just proof of concept, like xcompmgr for shadows
[04:49] <bob2> da_bon_bon: no idea.  presumably it installed a program called 'xt' or such.
[04:49] <gir_> ogra: is that a repository? what's the full address please?
[04:49] <zenwhen> sup all?
[04:49] <CheatersRealm> is it not hardware accelereated?
[04:50] <bob2> no, most of it is not
[04:50] <ogra> gir_: look at the wiki....for multiverse.... you may also want universe....there are howtos
[04:50] <etorix> transset will do one window
[04:50] <bob2> right
[04:50] <zenwhen> using hardware acceleration is easier said than done
[04:50] <plasmo> transset is buggy :|
[04:50] <etorix> but it needs software to support it
[04:50] <CheatersRealm> yeah
[04:50] <CheatersRealm> aight, thanks
[04:51] <etorix> like softshadows .. run once and forget
[04:51] <gir_> ogra: okay I already have that in /etc/apt/sources.list but don't see gstreamer0.8-lame?
[04:51] <ogra> gir_: multiverse ?
[04:51] <da_bon_bon> bob2: can u pls find and tell me ?
[04:52] <ogra> gir_: did you reload your package list after adding it ?
[04:52] <bob2> da_bon_bon: no
[04:52] <bob2> da_bon_bon: you can find out more asily than I can
[04:52] <bob2> da_bon_bon: 'dpkg -L xt | grep /bin/' in a terminal will tell you a list of command names
[04:52] <gir_> ogra: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[04:52] <plasmo> gir_:i think it was gstreamer0.8-mad for mp3 support
[04:52] <ogra> gir_: and reloaded ?
[04:53] <gir_> ogra: yeah
[04:53] <ogra> plasmo: for recording
[04:53] <ogra> gir_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:53] <twisted_steel> gir_: yeah, mad is for playback
[04:54] <ogra> gir_: its in universe, i was wrong.....
[04:54] <ogra> gir_: oh, no, cerkinfo, not even universe :(
[04:55] <gir_> ogra: I have universe and multivese
[04:55] <ogra> gir_: look at the wiki url .....
[04:56] <gir_> ogra: thanks, I'm looking at the link you posted now
[04:56] <da_bon_bon> bob2: u dont use ubuntu??
[04:56] <ogra> gir_: you will also need cerkinfo....
[04:56] <bob2> da_bon_bon: I do use it.
[04:56] <gir_> ogra: seems to suggest gstreamer0.8-lame
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> bob2: why cant i get ur ip ?
[04:57] <ogra> da_bon_bon: bob2 _makes_ ubuntu ;)
[04:57] <gir_> ogra: cerkinfo? is that a repository?
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> bob2: sorry...
[04:57] <ogra> gir_: its described on the wiki
[04:57] <bob2> da_bon_bon: because I have a user clock to stop people getting my ip
[04:57] <bob2> being DOSed isn't as fun as it sounds
[04:57] <Lathiat2> heh heh
[04:57] <bob2> ogra: hah, I just help the people who make ubuntu ;)
[04:58] <gir_> ogra: got it. I'll try that now
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> bob2: whats a user clock? u mean cloak?
[04:58] <ogra> bob2: so youre a part of the process ;)
[04:58] <bob2> da_bon_bon: er, yes
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> bob2: how do i get a user cloak?
[04:59] <CheatersRealm> where in the wiki does it talk about transparency?
[04:59] <ogra> CheatersRealm: nowhere i think
[04:59] <bob2> da_bon_bon: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[05:00] <CheatersRealm> ogra, oh
[05:00] <CheatersRealm> I thought someone said ti was
[05:00] <da_bon_bon> bob2: so its only for freenode, not anywhere else?
[05:00] <ogra> CheatersRealm: its not a working feature yet.... and i doubt we will see a usable implementation before next autumn
[05:01] <bob2> da_bon_bon: of course...
[05:01] <bob2> if you want some sort of IRC proxy, lots of places are happy to take your money
[05:01] <CheatersRealm> ogra, but I'm willing to try, because I'm going to wind up wiping this machine in a while nayhow
[05:01] <CheatersRealm> I think freenode can mask your hostname.
[05:01] <ogra> CheatersRealm: but you nearly wont be able to move your windows anymore.....its darn slow
[05:01] <bob2> yes, that's what the link I pasted was for
[05:02] <rwabel_> anyone has also problems with gdesklets on hoary?
[05:02] <ogra> rwabel_: is there anyone aho has no problems with gdesklets on _any_ linux ?
[05:02] <wood1> bob2, is there any option to remove some programs of OpenOffice ?
[05:03] <rwabel_> ogra: apparently for some people it works :-) is it that buggy?
[05:03] <bob2> wood1: not that I know of
[05:03] <ogra> rwabel_: its quite bad to set up....
[05:04] <CheatersRealm> ogra, like I said ,that's ok
[05:04] <ogra> rwabel_: not very user friendly
[05:04] <wood1> Can you tell me which programs I can remove safely
[05:04] <bob2> anything you want
[05:04] <plasmo> running out of space?
[05:04] <bob2> if it's Essential, apt will complain, a lot
[05:04] <rwabel_> ogra: I always get the same error message when I want to start for example startbar.display
[05:05] <wood1> What is Evolution Groupware ?
[05:05] <ogra> CheatersRealm: you will need the unstable ubuntu version which breaks quite often atm.....and some extra packages form daniels repository
[05:05] <CheatersRealm> ogra, you mean hoary?
[05:05] <bob2> wood1: apt-cache show evolution
[05:05] <ogra> CheatersRealm: yep
[05:05] <CheatersRealm> ogra, how do I add daniel's repository?
[05:05] <ogra> CheatersRealm: xcompmgr and transset only work with xorg
[05:05] <CheatersRealm> ogra, I'm running xorg
[05:06] <ogra> CheatersRealm: so hoary....
[05:06] <rwabel_> cheaters: it's fucking slowing down the system. it's useless at the moment
[05:06] <plasmo> ##deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[05:06] <plasmo> ##deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ transset/
[05:06] <|QuaD-> plasmo: what are those
[05:06] <CheatersRealm> rwabel_, I don't care.. you missed those lines.
[05:06] <CheatersRealm> |QuaD-, they're to me
[05:07] <plasmo> daniels repo
[05:07] <wood1> QuaD, can you suggest some packages which I can remove from my system ?
[05:07] <ogra> plasmo: they are gone it seems :(
[05:07] <gir_> ogra: it's working now. thanks.
[05:07] <|QuaD-> CheatersRealm: ok? that doesn't answer my quest
[05:07] <bob2> wood1: how much space are you trying to save?
[05:07] <|QuaD-> wood1: what do you mean?
[05:07] <ogra> gir_: :)
[05:07] <CheatersRealm> |QuaD-, slow transparency in xorg
[05:07] <bob2> plasmo: those lines don't work
[05:07] <plasmo> probli lol. havent check it lately
[05:07] <|QuaD-> wood1: i would reccomend installing deborphan and removing those
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> bob2: xt is great
[05:07] <CheatersRealm> ogra, where do I put them?
[05:07] <rwabel_> cheaters: sorry, but however I was kinda disapointed or I missed some features
[05:07] <ogra> CheatersRealm: nowhere... the repo is gone it seems
[05:08] <CheatersRealm> bwha?
[05:08] <ogra> CheatersRealm: so you have to wait until he is back from holiday.....
[05:08] <|QuaD-> wood1: i am buessing bob2 would reccomend the same (not sure though)
[05:08] <plasmo> transset and xcompmgr not worth it
[05:08] <CheatersRealm> guys, once again, I"M GOING TO WIPE THE BOX SOON
[05:08] <etorix> nope
[05:08] <ogra> plasmo: fully agreed
[05:08] <CheatersRealm> I want to check this out real fast
[05:08] <CheatersRealm> good lord
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> "OR, even better, make your sysadmin add a LOC record to the DNS." from xt. i am the sysadmin :D how do i do this ?
[05:09] <plasmo> itll just have some shadows and see through lol
[05:09] <CheatersRealm> plasmo, I just want to look pretty for about an hour
[05:09] <bob2> da_bon_bon: do you control your own DNS?
[05:09] <CheatersRealm> then I wipe it and re-install
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no...
[05:09] <ogra> CheatersRealm: we cant help you....the repo is closed.... the guy who owns it is on well deserved holiday
[05:09] <bob2> da_bon_bon: then you can't set it
[05:09] <CheatersRealm> ogra, I know
[05:09] <bob2> eh?
[05:10] <CheatersRealm> ogra, what do I do with the ##deb lines though?
[05:10] <bob2> transset and xcompmgr are in hoary
[05:10] <wood1> bob2, ogra, Quad, How do I use deborphan ?
[05:10] <plasmo> daniels_ is there. but probli afk ----->
[05:10] <bob2> that's why daniels took them down
[05:10] <ogra> bob2: oh....
[05:10] <da_bon_bon> "To get xtraceroute to show your location centered on the globe when it starts up, add information about this host,(ubuntu) or your whole net." how do i do this ?
[05:10] <plasmo> ahh
[05:10] <etorix> cant you apt-get xcompmgr?
[05:10] <bob2> da_bon_bon: you need to control your DNS, which you don't
[05:10] <ogra> CheatersRealm: so install them with synaptic from universe i guess
[05:10] <da_bon_bon> etorix: talking to me?
[05:10] <bob2> da_bon_bon: or maybe xt has an option to specify your location manually
[05:11] <da_bon_bon> bob2: searchin for it with n osuccess
[05:11] <CheatersRealm> thx
[05:11] <wood1> Quad, what's the idea behind deborphan ?
[05:11] <bob2> wood1: it shows you packages you might want to remove
[05:12] <ogra> wood1: sudo apt-get remove `deborphan`
[05:12] <ogra> wood1: regard the backticks !
[05:12] <wood1> What happens after that ?
[05:12] <bob2> then you read what apt says, VERY carefully
[05:12] <wood1> I just installed deborphan and now just remove it
[05:12] <|QuaD-> ogra: he wants to sudo apt-get install deborphan
[05:12] <ogra> wood1: it offers to uninstall all unused software
[05:12] <|QuaD-> wood1: don't remove deborphan
[05:12] <wood1> sudo apt-get remove deborphan
[05:13] <bob2> wood1: no, read more carefully, it's surrounded by backticks
[05:13] <wood1> that's it
[05:13] <bob2> wood1: no, read it again
[05:13] <ogra> wood1: noipe with backticks
[05:13] <|QuaD-> bob2,ogra: what do the backticks do
[05:13] <wood1> I just typed: deborphan and it showed me a long list
[05:13] <bob2> |QuaD-: they get replaced by the output of the command inside the backticks
[05:13] <ogra> |QuaD-: they hand out the packagelist to apt
[05:13] <CheatersRealm> |QuaD-, they execute whatever's inside them and then returns it to the parent call
[05:13] <da_bon_bon> anyone from india out here?
[05:13] <|QuaD-> interesting
[05:13] <wood1> What backticks ?
[05:14] <ogra> wood1: copy and paste my line ;)
[05:14] <ogra> wood1: sudo apt-get remove `deborphan`
[05:14] <CheatersRealm> the one with the ~ above it on a standard US keyboard
[05:14] <wood1> ogra, with the quotes
[05:14] <wood1> ???
[05:14] <|QuaD-> bob2: i normally read all my orphaned packages, then remove them one by one, is hte backtick safe to do here (in regards to system stability)
[05:14] <ogra> wood1: yep, with the backticks
[05:15] <ogra> |QuaD-: apt shows you the list and asks before doing anything
[05:15] <bob2> |QuaD-: if you read what apt wants to remove, very carefully, sure, it's just the same as cutting and pasting it around
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> bob2: are u on #fedora too?
[05:15] <wood1> Well I just get the option to remove 'deborphan' and I will get 225 KB free space !!!!!
[05:15] <|QuaD-> bob2: interesting...
[05:15] <wood1> I am confused
[05:15] <bob2> da_bon_bon: no
[05:16] <bob2> wood1: you're not reading
[05:16] <wood1> First I run:  deborphan
[05:16] <bob2> do you see this character: ` ?
[05:16] <wood1> Yes I did
[05:16] <ogra> wood1: not this: ' but this `
[05:16] <|QuaD-> bob2: things like libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 and libcurl12 ok to remove? on hoary
[05:16] <wood1> apt-get remove 'deborphan'
[05:16] <ogra> wood1: nope
[05:16] <wood1> Oh just ` `
[05:17] <ogra> wood1: wrong character
[05:17] <ogra> wood1: yep
[05:17] <bob2> |QuaD-: if stuff depends on them, apt will remove them too, so watch what it wants to do
[05:17] <bob2> |QuaD-: off-hand, I would say bothare ok to go
[05:17] <da_bon_bon> why cant i get my own ip using /dns da_bon_bon
[05:17] <wood1> Ok, but I still got only 11.5 MB free space
[05:17] <|QuaD-> bob2: those were listed in the apt-get remove..... are those old libraries?
[05:17] <wood1> Better than nothing
[05:17] <bob2> wood1: yes
[05:18] <bob2> da_bon_bon: /whois da_bon_bon
[05:18] <wood1> sudo apt-get remove cups
[05:18] <wood1> Can I remove vim ?
[05:18] <Lathiat2> Qo-noS: have you tried an apt-get clean ?
[05:18] <Lathiat2> ergh
[05:18] <bob2> kif you want to
[05:18] <ogra> wood1: if you never use it.....but emacs is bigger
[05:18] <Lathiat2> wood1: have you trie dan apt-get clean
[05:18] <Lathiat2> Qo-noS: and k'plah to you :)
[05:19] <Lathiat2> Qo-noS: hrmm.. thats Q'Plah actually *bangs head*
[05:19] <bob2> oh man, you know the spelling
[05:19] <Lathiat2> maj rahm :)
[05:19] <wood1> yup
[05:19] <ogra> why is the dictionary not included in ubuntu ?
[05:19] <CheatersRealm> hey, where are the universe repos held?
[05:19] <CheatersRealm> I'm tryna add them in synaptic
[05:19] <ogra> should be a default ;)
[05:19] <wood1> Can I remove the ubuntu-base ?
[05:20] <Lathiat2> bob2: running scared yet? :)
[05:20] <bob2> wood1: if you know what you're doing
[05:20] <ogra> CheatersRealm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:20] <|QuaD-> wood1: why do you need to remove stuff?
[05:20] <wood1> Because my HardDisk is 98% full
[05:20] <ogra> wood1: you dont win any space with that, its a empty pkg
[05:20] <|QuaD-> wood1: how big is your hd
[05:20] <plasmo> delete the pron :)
[05:20] <Madd_Marshall> what makes ubuntu different from the other distros?
[05:21] <RuffianSoldier> LOTS!
[05:21] <|QuaD->  Madd_Marshall: nothing
[05:21] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: many thing
[05:21] <bob2> Madd_Marshall: www.ubuntu.com
[05:21] <Madd_Marshall> hey its u again
[05:21] <RuffianSoldier> Project Utopia!
[05:21] <CheatersRealm> ogra, I know how to do that, but I want to get the ubuntu universe lines in, I don't have them
[05:21] <ogra> wood1: sudo apt-get clean, as Lathiat2 suggested
[05:21] <wood1> Well it is 10 GB
[05:21] <CheatersRealm> is archive = universe?
[05:21] <plasmo> lol
[05:21] <CheatersRealm> wood1, get more space, it's < $1 /gb
[05:21] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[05:21] <|QuaD-> wood1: i believe you should be able to run it fine with 10gb
[05:21] <ogra> CheatersRealm: look at the wiki
[05:21] <bob2> CheatersRealm: in the US
[05:21] <wood1> but Windows is occupying 8 GB !!!!!!
[05:21] <bob2> CheatersRealm: more hardware is not always possible outside the USA
[05:21] <Madd_Marshall> is ubuntu the african linux as ive heard
[05:21] <bob2> wood1: run 'apt-get clean'
[05:21] <CheatersRealm> bob2, good call
[05:21] <wood1> Well I did
[05:21] <|QuaD-> wood1: you are dualbooting on a 10 gb hd?
[05:21] <bob2> Madd_Marshall: no, it's named after a Zulu word, tho
[05:22] <wood1> Yes
[05:22] <|QuaD-> LOL
[05:22] <plasmo> woah.
[05:22] <CheatersRealm> ogra, it's not in there.
[05:22] <wood1> So can I remove vim:  apt-get remove vim ?
[05:22] <Madd_Marshall> is ubuntu linux dot org legit
[05:22] <bob2> wood1: if you want to
[05:22] <CheatersRealm> Madd_Marshall, I trust them
[05:22] <bob2> Madd_Marshall: www.ubuntulinux.org, yes
[05:22] <plasmo> apt-get remove windowsxp :P
[05:22] <wood1> The following packages will be REMOVED:  ubuntu-base vim vim-common
[05:22] <Madd_Marshall> well there is ubuntu.com too... exact same look
[05:22] <bob2> Madd_Marshall: yes, they are the same site
[05:23] <wood1> bob2, should I do it ?
[05:23] <ogra> Madd_Marshall: same
[05:23] <bob2> wood1: if you want to
[05:23] <Madd_Marshall> anyone go their free ubuntu cds
[05:23] <|QuaD-> ogra: one of my friends told me to free space type rm -fR /..... i did it and i have almost my entire hd free!
[05:23] <ogra> yep
[05:23] <bob2> wood1: we can't decide for you what packages you want
[05:23] <wood1> Ok man, just as you said
[05:23] <bob2> Madd_Marshall: yes, lots of pople have
[05:23] <Madd_Marshall> bob - abotu how long does it take
[05:23] <wood1> Will it affect the system
[05:23] <plasmo> Madd_Marshall: got mine last month
[05:23] <wood1> if I remove ubuntu-base
[05:23] <ogra> |QuaD-: please dont post this commad here....there were ppl trying it
[05:23] <bob2> Madd_Marshall: depends when you orders.  a few weeks, usually.
[05:23] <bob2> wood1: dude, it's fine, do it already
[05:23] <zenwhen> Madd_Marshall, yes.
[05:23] <|QuaD-> ogra: really????
[05:23] <Madd_Marshall> a few weeks... ok
[05:24] <|QuaD-> ouch sorry
[05:24] <ogra> |QuaD-: yep .... sadly
[05:24] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: mine took a month....
[05:24] <Madd_Marshall> i ordered mine two days ago... so i got some time i guess
[05:24] <|QuaD-> ogra: when?
[05:24] <zenwhen> I got ten from them.
[05:24] <zenwhen> kept one and gave out nine
[05:24] <CheatersRealm> is archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ the universe?
[05:24] <ogra> |QuaD-: dont remember, in novermber......
[05:24] <Lathiat2> CheatersRealm: no, read the wiki it has information about universe
[05:24] <bob2> CheatersRealm: no
[05:24] <wood1> Actually, I installed Ubuntu on 1.5 GB space and 0.5 GB Swap
[05:24] <ogra> CheatersRealm: like the wiki says
[05:24] <Madd_Marshall> i ordered 20
[05:24] <wood1> That's 2 GB in total
[05:24] <|QuaD-> ogra: ok... :)
[05:25] <Lathiat2> wood1: ouch thats going to be tight
[05:25] <CheatersRealm> the wiki doesn't say shit about where universe is
[05:25] <Madd_Marshall> 10 regular and 10 64-bit versions
[05:25] <bob2> CheatersRealm: dude, read the synaptic howto again
[05:25] <zenwhen> Madd_Marshall, it takes a little while to get them.
[05:25] <plasmo> ordered 10. kept the amd64 and intel. gave out the rest
[05:25] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: i ordered mine in november... still waiting
[05:25] <ogra> CheatersRealm: there is a scrrenshot....
[05:25] <wood1> How do I remove the Common Unix Printing ?
[05:25] <wood1> cups
[05:25] <bob2> Madd_Marshall: it's not the '64-bit version', it's the amd64 version.
[05:25] <Madd_Marshall> oh
[05:25] <bob2> wood1: find the package and remove it
[05:25] <Madd_Marshall> well thats what i meant
[05:25] <wood1> which package contains cups ?
[05:25] <Madd_Marshall> i have amd64
[05:25] <zenwhen> For me it took a month or so.
[05:26] <bob2> wood1: lots of them
[05:26] <bob2> wood1: you need to be way more specific
[05:26] <Madd_Marshall> as ruffian can account for.. ive been terrorizing the suse room.. now i should terrorize you guys...
[05:26] <Lathiat2> CheatersRealm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:26] <CheatersRealm> argh
[05:26] <CheatersRealm> it's a tiny fucking note
[05:26] <Madd_Marshall> i was set on suse till i saw a shitload of peeps suggesting ubuntu
[05:26] <Lathiat2> heh
[05:27] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: suse.... AHHH... used 9.2 pro for about 2 days
[05:27] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: please lessen ur usage of word 'shit' if u dont mind :)
[05:27] <|QuaD-> tried it hated it
[05:27] <Madd_Marshall> ok
[05:27] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: then tried ubuntu... a month and a half later
[05:27] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: ubuntu? u hated it? why?
[05:27] <plasmo> used 9.1 for about a week lol
[05:27] <Madd_Marshall> i do mind.. but ill be nice
[05:27] <|QuaD-> here i am
[05:27] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: no...suse
[05:27] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: thanks.
[05:27] <|QuaD-> i have used debian for like 3 years
[05:27] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: how did u get sus 9.2? bought it?
[05:28] <|QuaD-> friend had a copy, wasn't using it
[05:28] <|QuaD-> so i wanted to try it out
[05:28] <Madd_Marshall> ive tried the suse 9.2 livecd... but thinks livecds are a joke
[05:28] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: i think it is illegal to distribute suse prothat wya.
[05:28] <|QuaD-> i have suse 9.1 pro
[05:28] <Madd_Marshall> whoops that was supposed to go more like
[05:28] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: well, i am not using it... so i don't really care
[05:28] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: even i dont like livecd - exception being Knoppix.
[05:28] <Lathiat2> Madd_Marshall: that was no different :P
[05:29] <Madd_Marshall> well you cant do much....
[05:29] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: i was joking.
[05:29] <etorix> i tried suse-live 9.1 .. it wouldnt go online
[05:29] <Madd_Marshall> can i just download the ubuntu amd64 version
[05:29] <Madd_Marshall> why do you people prefer ubuntu?
[05:29] <Lathiat2> Madd_Marshall: you can
[05:29] <ogra> Madd_Marshall: yep
[05:29] <etorix> sure
[05:29] <etorix> i did
[05:29] <Madd_Marshall> like what i cant tell is what makes them different
[05:29] <ogra> Madd_Marshall: try it ;)
[05:29] <Madd_Marshall> i tried fedora... and suse 9.2 live
[05:29] <Madd_Marshall> and both seemed the same
[05:30] <Madd_Marshall> but fedora was evil
[05:30] <plasmo> Madd_Marshall: because its light. and not bloated. i like gnome+xfce4 as well and debian stuff :D
[05:30] <Madd_Marshall> every install was a friggin project to find libs
[05:30] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: i used to do the whole illegal software thing... not anymore... a bunch of my friends offered me vmware... as much as i want it, unless i can get a legal license i won't use it
[05:30] <wood1> Quad, how do I use bit torrent ?
[05:30] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8964
[05:30] <Madd_Marshall> light eh
[05:30] <wood1> bob2 ?
[05:30] <Madd_Marshall> bon bon
[05:30] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: and the thing that i hate most is i have a legit license for virtualpc!
[05:30] <Madd_Marshall> is that the fc3 vs ubuntu thing
[05:30] <|QuaD-> wood1: i like bittornado
[05:30] <anir> hey da_bon_bon how are you??? :D
[05:30] <|QuaD-> wood1: there is also azeurus
[05:30] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: i want vmware...
[05:30] <da_bon_bon> anir: hi
[05:30] <|QuaD-> wood1: and the official client
[05:30] <anir> MARRY X-MAS TO ALL
[05:30] <bob2> wood1: install a client and use it.  apt-cache search bittorrent.
[05:30] <wood1> How do I use it ?
[05:31] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: yes?
[05:31] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: cant u use virtual pc under linux ?
[05:31] <bob2> wood1: same as you use any program, by reading the manpage
[05:31] <Madd_Marshall> bon bon... yea ive seen that....
[05:31] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: no, microsoft product, can use to create a linux virtual machine
[05:31] <Madd_Marshall> thats why i decided that my choices were between suse and ubuntu
[05:31] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: oh i see
[05:31] <Madd_Marshall> because there is a suse vs fc3 and a ubuntu vs fc3
[05:32] <Madd_Marshall> both proving that i wasted time on fc3
[05:32] <wood1> Quad and bob2, how do I use bit torrent ?
[05:32] <|QuaD-> wood1: i made a torrents folder, put my .torrent files there, navigate to it and type btlaunchmanycurses .
[05:32] <anir> what is the language used to create linux?
[05:32] <bob2> wood1: erm?  did you even look at the manpage?
[05:32] <Madd_Marshall> well i think imma download ubuntu... and then if i dont like then i can try suse...
[05:32] <da_bon_bon> anir: kernel - C; most progs. C++
[05:32] <bob2> anir: the kernel itself is mostly C, with some bits in assembly
[05:32] <|QuaD-> wood1: you can also do something like btdownloadcurses whatever.torrent
[05:32] <Madd_Marshall> my problem is i dont want to pay 90$ for soemthign i might bin
[05:32] <|QuaD-> wood1: thats a 2 second tutorial... the rest you need to figure out yourself :)
[05:32] <wood1> Well I want to download a ISO Image which has a small bit torrent file with some information, how do I use it ?
[05:32] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: why 90$ ?
[05:32] <anir> okay thank you guys
[05:32] <Lathiat2> anir: alot of the gnome stuff is written in C
[05:33] <Lathiat2> anir: the kde stuff is mostly written in C++
[05:33] <ogra> da_bon_bon: most progs also C
[05:33] <|QuaD-> wood1: i just told you
[05:33] <Madd_Marshall> thats what suse 9.2 costs in the stores
[05:33] <Madd_Marshall> well it might be 80
[05:33] <anir> cool i didnt know that..
[05:33] <|QuaD-> bob2: are there ubuntu torrents? i am going on vacation for 3-4 weeks, and i figured i would put my 20 mbit line to good use, cant find the torrents though
[05:33] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: dont touch sus - i hate it its _bad_
[05:34] <Lathiat2> run 'btdownloadcurses <torrent file>'
[05:34] <bob2> |QuaD-: yes, all the release cds are torrented
[05:34] <anir> is there any default C compiler that comes with linux
[05:34] <|QuaD-> bob2: where are they? couldn't find a link in download section
[05:34] <da_bon_bon> anir: gcc
[05:34] <ogra> anir: gcc
[05:34] <plasmo> apt-get install bittornado-gui <- :D
[05:34] <Madd_Marshall> da_bon_bon - i was only considering it because i figured that the retail apps may be worth soemthign
[05:34] <anir> okay
[05:34] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: i say OSS better than properitary apps.
[05:34] <|QuaD-> plasmo: really? i find that useless
[05:35] <anir> how will i access gcc??
[05:35] <bob2> anir: you run it like any other compiler
[05:35] <plasmo> i like it :/
[05:35] <ogra> anir: gcc
[05:35] <bob2> anir: 'gcc foo.c'
[05:35] <ogra> anir: ;)
[05:35] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: u will bin suse as i have - it cant detect my cable modem - __every__ other distro can
[05:35] <da_bon_bon> hey whats the joke i always hear about foo ?
[05:35] <da_bon_bon> foo bar or something?
[05:35] <anir> i will type in the terminal gcc..??
[05:35] <ogra> da_bon_bon: its a wildcard
[05:35] <bob2> anir: you've never used a compiler before?
[05:36] <plasmo> gcc code.c -o code
[05:36] <da_bon_bon> ogra: how come? for what?
[05:36] <wood1> What's the difference between btlaunchmany and btlaunchmanycurses ?
[05:36] <ogra> da_bon_bon: heh, for anything
[05:36] <Lathiat2> wood1: dont use either
[05:36] <da_bon_bon> ohok
[05:36] <Lathiat2> wood1: use btdownloadcurses like i said
[05:36] <anir> yes i have.. i have been working in C for 4 years...but not in linux
[05:36] <bob2> wood1: nothing
[05:37] <Madd_Marshall> ok downloading ubuntu... cant try it yet though... my rig isnt working...
[05:37] <wood1> What about btdownloadgui ?
[05:37] <wood1> and btdownloadheadless ?
[05:37] <Lathiat2> how bout you just use btdownloadcurses and be done with it :P
[05:37] <bob2> wood1: come on dude, you can read the manpages as easily as we can
[05:38] <bob2> |QuaD-: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/
[05:38] <wood1> Ok man, I was on a hurry
[05:38] <ogra> wood1: there is also a gnome-btdownloadgui anywhere on the web, packaged for ubuntu
[05:38] <Madd_Marshall> anyone have a book suggestion
[05:38] <JDahl> anir, I dont mean to be patronizing, but there's probably 100s of online tutorials that cover Gnu software tools... googling wouldnt hurt
[05:38] <da_bon_bon> i _want_ hoary but cant download ISOs due to limited bandwith. how much MB will warty->hoary upgrade be ?
[05:38] <Madd_Marshall> so i can learn what i need to knwo abotu linux
[05:38] <Lathiat2> wood1: if your on a hurry, just run btdownlaodedcurses like i said :)
[05:38] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: it was about 500 for me
[05:38] <wood1> Ok Lathiat2
[05:38] <wood1> It's running
[05:38] <ogra> Madd_Marshall: www.tldp.org
[05:38] <Lathiat2> wood1: so now you sit and wait
[05:38] <anir> yes jdahl i should google a bit
[05:38] <wood1> Luthiat2, are you good at Hacking ?
[05:39] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: oh. i have only 100MB downlaod limit per month :(:(
[05:39] <bob2> anir: what build systems have you used in the past?
[05:39] <ogra> Madd_Marshall: and orilleys books are good
[05:39] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: ah, your in trouble heh
[05:39] <Madd_Marshall> so web... no books?
[05:39] <anir> ibm
[05:39] <bob2> if you're doing anything with more than a few files, you'll wnat to use automake or scons or stuff
[05:39] <Madd_Marshall> oreilly has a good linux book?
[05:39] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: For you I wouldnt run hoary
[05:39] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: because you'd want to constantly update
[05:39] <bob2> Madd_Marshall: I hear the o'reilly 'linux in a nutshell' book is quite good
[05:39] <ogra> Madd_Marshall: lots of them...pick one
[05:39] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: 'run hoary' ??
[05:39] <wood1> Lathiat2, I got Problem connecting to tracker - timeout exceeded
[05:39] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: run hoary as in upgrade to hoary
[05:39] <plasmo> wat is hacking :)
[05:40] <Lathiat2> wood1: why dont you just download the iso off a mirror?
[05:40] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: oh ok...
[05:40] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: and that'l go far past yoru 100MB limit
[05:40] <JDahl> anir, you're new to software dvlp on Linux? (I smell a fat chance of converting another Emacs follower)
[05:40] <bob2> anir: on AIX?
[05:40] <wood1> Well I can't find the ISO Image
[05:40] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: oh... thanks.
[05:40] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: how is hoary better than warty?
[05:40] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: also you might want to look at getting another internet plan because you can very easily go over 100MB and get yourself into money troubles from excess downloads
[05:40] <RuffianSoldier> wood1 - what ISO image?
[05:40] <wood1> The Slackware ISO Image
[05:40] <anir> bob2??
[05:40] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: i will be getting aother plan in about 2 weeks...
[05:41] <Madd_Marshall> what does ubuntu mean
[05:41] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: it has some newer and cooler stuff (xorg, etc) -- but its also prone to breakages (i've just had one today where my entire desktop wouldnt load).. so it has its pros and cons
[05:41] <bob2> anir: what did you mean by 'ibm'?
[05:41] <anir> jdahl: yes i am new .. just a week old here
[05:41] <bob2> Madd_Marshall: www.ubuntu.com explains it
[05:41] <ogra> Madd_Marshall: humanity to others
[05:41] <RuffianSoldier> wood 1 - #ubuntu is the channel you are in
[05:41] <Madd_Marshall> ok... i was tryign to be lazy
[05:41] <anir> IBM computers??
[05:41] <ogra> Madd_Marshall: among other things
[05:41] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: where do i get screenshots and stuff ?
[05:41] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: uh, probably no where
[05:41] <wood1> Well the more the many
[05:41] <bob2> wood1: go to #slackware a=nd see if there's an ISO then
[05:41] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: its not a great deal different looking
[05:41] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: oh :)
[05:42] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: the menus up top left were reordered, but thats about the only big gui change i think
[05:42] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: can u send me a screenshot using dcc, please ?
[05:42] <wood1> Well I heard that Slackware runs well on old machines
[05:42] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: dcc?
[05:42] <ogra> da_bon_bon: on freedesktop org are shots of xorg
[05:42] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: i mean the  method to share files on irc. isnt it dcc ?
[05:42] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: ah yes it is
[05:42] <RuffianSoldier> hey - i couldnt find that freedesktop.org clock - I really want to add some eyecandy to Ubuntu
[05:42] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: uh... i don't use the IRC client that comes with ubuntu
[05:42] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: so it wouldnt be much good to you
[05:43] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: any irc client will do
[05:43] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: and its not that exciting, its just a little dialog that says the filename, speed and process
[05:43] <Lathiat2> *progress
[05:43] <wood1> Anyway, forget about Slackware
[05:43] <da_bon_bon> anyone else can pls gimme hoary screenshots ?
[05:43] <|QuaD-_> exit
[05:43] <|QuaD-_> blah
[05:43] <JDahl> anir, then you ought to experiement with Emacs (if you dont already know it)... you're probably used to IDEs with all sorts of bells and whistles - emacs has all that, but in a nonintrusive way
[05:43] <bob2> it looks just like warty
[05:44] <wood1> Quad, I can't play MP3s and Movies over the Network ??
[05:44] <wood1> bob2 ?
[05:44] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok. u use hoary too ?
[05:44] <bob2> wood1: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:44] <anir> JDahl: how can i get it?
[05:44] <|QuaD-> wood1: ok
[05:44] <wood1> Over the network ?
[05:44] <wood1> bob2
[05:44] <bob2> wood1: dude, you really need to learn to lean on the FAQ a bit instead of asking the same stuff over and over here
[05:44] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes
[05:44] <bob2> wood1: yes
[05:44] <wood1> ha ha ha
[05:44] <bur[n] er_> wood1: mount the samba share
[05:44] <|QuaD-> wood1: its not funny
[05:45] <wood1> Well that's why you guys are great
[05:45] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat2: u in aussie, right?
[05:45] <Lathiat2> da_bon_bon: yes
[05:45] <wood1> You come to my rescue all the time
[05:45] <bob2> wood1: the FAQ is greater
[05:45] <|QuaD-> wood1: when you really need us we won't be here
[05:45] <bur[n] er_> wood1: the more easy questions you ask that are in the faq, the less time other folks devote to making ubuntu cooler
[05:45] <JDahl> anir, by the wonders of apt-get... but this is becoming off-topic, we should take it to, e.g.,#ubuntuforums if you have more questions
[05:45] <wood1> Well I read that Unofficial Ubuntu Starter Guide but I still can mount the Network Drive
[05:46] <CheatersRealm> guys, I don't know what you're talking about, transset and xcompmgr are fast
[05:46] <wood1> I have another PC running on Ubuntu and I can connect to it from Browsing over the Network using:  smb:///
[05:46] <CheatersRealm> perhaps you didn't use renderaccel with nvidia drivers?
[05:46] <|QuaD-> wood1: there are many faqs and wikis
[05:46] <bob2> I'm pretty sure composite doesn't use render
[05:47] <SteveA> I have a laptop with a removeable cdrom drive.  I've booted with the drive out.  I just inserted it.  How can I tell the system that it should see /dev/hdc ?
[05:47] <anir> JDahl: i would love to join u
[05:47] <wood1> Can you just provide me some commands to mount network drives or shares
[05:47] <bur[n] er_> wood1: man smbmount
[05:47] <wood1> Why can't Gmail accept zipped exe and mdb files ?
[05:47] <|QuaD-> SteveA: cat /var/log/dmsg
[05:47] <wood1> It's really strange
[05:47] <|QuaD-> wood1: ask google
[05:48] <da_bon_bon> how do i someone ip whose chatting with me over gaim?
[05:48] <wood1> By the way, do you know that you can't browse into your Hotmail Inbox using Internet Explorer ?
[05:48] <bob2> |QuaD-: that won't help
[05:48] <bur[n] er_> da_bon_bon: you don't... less you do a direct connect
[05:48] <bob2> da_bon_bon: you can't, generally
[05:48] <|QuaD-> bob2: why won't it help?
[05:48] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er_: i do a direct connect by transferring files, right?
[05:48] <CheatersRealm> bob2, welll it runs quickly on a 1000mhz amd tbird, with basically no slow down
[05:49] <bur[n] er_> da_bon_bon: or just click the direct connect icon
[05:49] <bur[n] er_> or... menu item
[05:49] <SteveA> |QuaD-: what would you expect to find in /var/log/dmesg that would help?
[05:49] <bur[n] er_> it's used for transferring pictures directly into the convo
[05:49] <|QuaD-> SteveA: isn't that where it parses things like that
[05:49] <ogra> SteveA: good question
[05:49] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er_: then?
[05:49] <bob2> |QuaD-: a) it was generated at boot, before it was plugged in, b) listing devices doesn't help, since we know it wasn't plugged in
[05:49] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er_: wheres the direct connect icon in GAIM ?
[05:50] <ogra> SteveA: i suspect the ide-cd module isnt loaded
[05:50] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: its a menu item
[05:50] <ogra> SteveA: try sudo modprobe ide-cd
[05:50] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: which menu ?
[05:51] <wood1> Bob2, QuaD, I can't seem to use Gmail's SMTP Server Settings in Evolution ?
[05:51] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: i am not on my system with gaim now.... if you right click on the user i think it should be there thouhg
[05:51] <SteveA> ogra: good call, ide_cd was not loaded.  Now it is.  Still can't mount.
[05:51] <bur[n] er_> da_bon_bon: if you do "insert image" you'll prompt a direct connect
[05:51] <bur[n] er_> a file transfer would work too
[05:51] <|QuaD-> wood1: ok?
[05:51] <bur[n] er_> that and netstat of course
[05:51] <bur[n] er_> but you can figure the rest out
[05:51] <bur[n] er_> wood1: take it up with gmail
[05:51] <ogra> SteveA: now type dmesg and see the last lines... it should tell you if it created a device
[05:52] <bob2> wood1: evolution in hoary is broken if you're using that
[05:52] <sid77> hi
[05:52] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er_: in a conversation window??
[05:52] <wood1> No I am running Warty
[05:52] <bur[n] er_> da_bon_bon: only works on some protocols
[05:52] <|QuaD-> bob2: I really hope he isn't using hoary!
[05:52] <bur[n] er_> da_bon_bon: not on msn... aim/icq it does
[05:52] <bob2> hah
[05:52] <wood1> Where does Evolution gives us the option to use the port from 25 to 465 ?
[05:52] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er_: oh. so no way to get ip from msn ?
[05:52] <da_bon_bon> on gaim?
[05:53] <|QuaD-> wood1: is this #evolution?
[05:53] <bob2> chill dude
[05:53] <bur[n] er_> da_bon_bon: sure is... send a file
[05:53] <bob2> wood1: #gnome on irc.gnome.org might be a better place to ask
[05:53] <bur[n] er_> wood1: F1 ?
[05:53] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er_: and he accepts, suppose. now how?
[05:53] <ogra> bur[n] er_: heh
[05:53] <ogra> bur[n] er_: f1
[05:53] <bur[n] er_> da_bon_bon: netstat
[05:53] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: try doing a video, voice or file transfer... then netstat
[05:53] <SteveA> ogra: nothing interesting in /var/log/messages or dmesg
[05:54] <SteveA> perhaps I can create the device node directly.
[05:54] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: ok
[05:54] <ogra> SteveA: it ahould tell you that it loaded the module...and if it created a device node
[05:54] <bob2> SteveA: it's possible linux doesn't support it at all, unfortunately
[05:54] <ogra> SteveA: you have to fiddle a lot with udev to do that, i wouldnt suggest to do it
[05:55] <SteveA> no mknod any more?
[05:55] <ogra> SteveA: is removed on next boot by udev
[05:55] <bob2> you can use mknod, but if the kernel doesn't know about it in dmesg, it's unlikely to do anything
[05:55] <ogra> SteveA: you set this in the udev.rules nowadays
[05:55] <wood1> Ok Quad, bob2, ogra, see you guys later
[05:55] <wood1> thanks for the help
[05:56] <wood1> Latiah2 too
[05:56] <wood1> Treenaks
[05:56] <wood1> I will come with a Flood next time too
[05:57] <wood1> bye
[05:57] <CheatersRealm> whoo! too all you naysayers: transparency works well with nvidia cards.
[05:58] <bob2> no one said it didn't work
[05:58] <CheatersRealm> they said it was slow
[05:58] <CheatersRealm> alright, it's lunchtime
[05:58] <CheatersRealm> peace
[05:58] <remi`> CheatersRealm, it _is_ slow on my computer ... but then again my computer is slow like a dog
[05:58] <remi`> :)
[05:59] <|QuaD-> i have the fake transparency now
[05:59] <stuNNed> http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop.14580695 heh
[06:00] <remi`> does someone know where to find the daily builds for the hoary ?
[06:00] <remi`> (the install iso)
[06:00] <|QuaD-> remi`: why not just use warty and upgrade?
[06:01] <remi`> |QuaD-, unfortunately warty doesn't exist on IA64
[06:01] <bob2> khm, I wonder who's running that shop
[06:01] <|QuaD-> remi`: does hoary?
[06:01] <remi`> and the array2 cd fails during the setup
[06:01] <ogra> bob2: lu
[06:01] <bob2> ogra: ah
[06:01] <ogra> bob2: which is canonical .... there was a lengthy thread in -users
[06:01] <|QuaD-> i wonder how many of the ubuntu females own that thong
[06:02] <bob2> ogra: I do know who lu is :)
[06:02] <remi`> I juste wonder how many ubuntu females ...
[06:02] <ogra> bob2: louise
[06:02] <remi`> s/juste/just/
[06:02] <ogra> bob2: ah, sorry i read dont
[06:07] <jesusantonio> how can I boot windows XP?, I wrote in the grub menu "Title WinXP etc." then it says "Booting XP" but nothing happens
[06:12] <twisted_steel> jesusantonio, was your grub menu auto-configured for you?
[06:13] <Madd_Marshall> damn ubuntu downloaded fast
[06:13] <Madd_Marshall> awesome
[06:13] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: where?
[06:13] <Madd_Marshall> if only i could use it now
[06:13] <Madd_Marshall> im talking abotu the iso for ubuntu amd64
[06:14] <jesusantonio> how is that?, It wasn't windows in the beggining, so I wrote it in the Grub menu, but when I click it, nothing happensa
[06:14] <Madd_Marshall> it downloaded at 400k steady
[06:15] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: i am seeding the i386 live and the i386 regular at 400kb/s and 200kb/s
[06:15] <|QuaD-> blah went down from when i checked last 200 and 100
[06:15] <remi`> jesusantonio, you might want to add the "chainloader +1" option to your grub.conf
[06:16] <Madd_Marshall> cool
[06:16] <Madd_Marshall> i didnt get the torrent
[06:16] <Madd_Marshall> because BT has been really gay lately
[06:16] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: i usually do better with torrents
[06:16] <Madd_Marshall> me too
[06:16] <Madd_Marshall> but lately its been hell
[06:16] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: i dled just now both isos at 800 kb/s each
[06:17] <Madd_Marshall> 2-10k on a good day
[06:17] <|QuaD-> HAHA
[06:17] <Madd_Marshall> i got 600k fromt eh fedora core 3 torrent
[06:17] <Madd_Marshall> i tried to get suse... becuase i didnt want to chance wasting 90 bucks... and the best i got was 15k
[06:18] <Madd_Marshall> and thats with like 30 seeds and over 200 peers...
[06:18] <Madd_Marshall> friggin shit torrents
[06:18] <Madd_Marshall> but yea.... i downloaded ubuntu
[06:18] <Madd_Marshall> and when i get paid ill finish my rig
[06:18] <Madd_Marshall> and try it out
[06:19] <Madd_Marshall> anyone running that amd64 version
[06:19] <Madd_Marshall> anyone alive?
[06:20] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: are you talking about illegal or legal versions of suse?
[06:20] <Madd_Marshall> quad - id rather not say
[06:20] <Madd_Marshall> :)
[06:20] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: i imagine thats why it was slwo
[06:20] <Madd_Marshall> ??
[06:20] <Madd_Marshall> well i know legit torrents have more people....
[06:21] <Madd_Marshall> but still ive gotten many things from not so legit torrents and several hundred k
[06:21] <Madd_Marshall> is there something i dont know?
[06:21] <Madd_Marshall> nv
[06:21] <Madd_Marshall> but again... is anyone usign the 64bit ubuntu
[06:22] <|QuaD-> hey... i know this isn't a C coding channel... but does this make sense?
[06:22] <|QuaD-> MESSAGES[j] [start+i] ;
[06:22] <|QuaD-> blah
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: whats ur dnld speed? how come u got it over soo fast?
[06:22] <|QuaD-> 			bp_msg = (struct BPmsg_t*) msg.data;
[06:22] <|QuaD-> 			for(i=0; i<MAXDATA; i++){
[06:22] <|QuaD-> 				MESSAGES[bp_msg->sender] [i+MAXDATA*bp_msg->packnum] =bp_msg->msg[i] ;
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: whats ur dnld speed? how come u got it over soo fast?
[06:22] <Madd_Marshall> my download... well my plan is supposed to be 3mbps max
[06:23] <Madd_Marshall> i havent seen more than 600k for the last two years though
[06:23] <Madd_Marshall> used to get at 2mbps... but so many people have it that the networks suck now
[06:23] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: 3mbps should be less than 600k
[06:23] <Madd_Marshall> my upload is shit
[06:23] <Madd_Marshall> 25k
[06:23] <|QuaD-> 10mbps=1mbyte/s
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> yes quad is rite.
[06:23] <|QuaD-> so 5 mbps should be around 500mbytes/s
[06:24] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: but still, how come it got over so fast ?
[06:24] <|QuaD-> 3 should be around 200
[06:24] <Madd_Marshall> what do you mean how come... because i have cable.. and it downloads fast with a good source
[06:25] <Madd_Marshall> how come what... the ubuntu iso
[06:25] <Madd_Marshall> or the fedora torrent
[06:25] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: you should get a max of 300-400 kbytes/second
[06:25] <|QuaD-> don't feel like working the math
[06:26] <Madd_Marshall> i can get as much as 600 though... on a good day with a good torrent
[06:26] <Madd_Marshall> most single sources range from 150-400
[06:26] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: not with a 3mpbs cap
[06:26] <Madd_Marshall> man... i used to have a 1.5mbps cap and saw over 1000kbps
[06:27] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: not possible
[06:27] <Madd_Marshall> well then the app was lying
[06:27] <Madd_Marshall> im just saying what hotwire(or was it hotline) said
[06:28] <Madd_Marshall> also the guy i was downloading from had a t3... and he lived only a few miles away
[06:28] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: look how to convert megabits per second to mega bytes per second
[06:28] <|QuaD-> t3 is only like 3 megabits per second
[06:28] <Madd_Marshall> why
[06:28] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: it will show you what your max speed is
[06:28] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: and you will see i am not lying :)
[06:28] <Madd_Marshall> i just know the speeds im getting...
[06:29] <Madd_Marshall> i dont even understand what your saying
[06:29] <Madd_Marshall> well the ubuntu downloaded in under 15 minutes... so im happy
[06:29] <Ribs> Ho ho ho
[06:29] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: before you make comments, do some research, you have cox, which offers 3megabit per second max's
[06:29] <|QuaD-> learn how to convert that to megabytes
[06:29] <|QuaD-> (which i am telling you is around 300-400)
[06:30] <Madd_Marshall> it may be
[06:30] <Madd_Marshall> but i got 400k steady
[06:30] <Madd_Marshall> so whats  your point
[06:30] <|QuaD-> 400k steady should take you around 30 minutes
[06:31] <Madd_Marshall> well maybe it went faster when i left the room... it showed 412 or soemthing like that... and i left to cook breakfast... when i returned... it was complete
[06:31] <twisted_steel> my dialup can beat your connection any day ;)
[06:31] <Madd_Marshall> haha i bet
[06:31] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: i find that hard to believe... do the research
[06:31] <|QuaD-> before you make these claims
[06:31] <Madd_Marshall> i left room... and when i came back... 15 minutes from when i started it was done
[06:32] <guille> hello
[06:32] <Madd_Marshall> i was shocked too... but the download is indeed done
[06:32] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: well, at 400k... that is impossible
[06:32] <Madd_Marshall> 400k is what it was at when i left... it could have likely sped up... and from what your saying it must have
[06:32] <tsw> who cares :) its christmas!
[06:32] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: is dialup in usa THAT good ?
[06:32] <|QuaD-> do the math.... the cd is 650 MB.... 650MB/(.400MB/S) is roughly 1600 seconds
[06:32] <Madd_Marshall> it takes a while with flashget to get to its full sped
[06:33] <tsw> just burn the iso and enjoy
[06:33] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: sure it is :P
[06:33] <|QuaD-> 1600seconds/60 (seconds/min) = something
[06:33] <|QuaD-> around 30
[06:33] <Madd_Marshall> warty-release-install-amd64 is 540 megs
[06:33] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: no india its just 40 kbps
[06:33] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: its not possible with your cap
[06:33] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: luckily my local library has free wireless
[06:34] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: do at 400k thats 22.5 minutes
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: oh ok, so u get all the net u want for free?
[06:34] <Madd_Marshall> yoru not listening... it was staying at aroudn 400k.. then i left the room
[06:34] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: yeah, I just have to go over there and have the other people in the library stare at me
[06:34] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: with your cap though, it can't go 400k
[06:34] <Madd_Marshall> when i returned... around 15 mins later... give or take a minute... it was done
[06:35] <Madd_Marshall> so the app was lying?
[06:35] <Madd_Marshall> well that may be... but it finished nonetheless
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: why stare ? u not doing something wrong...
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: why stare ? u not doing something wrong...
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> ??
[06:36] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: it's just weird, that's all
[06:36] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: 400k isn't that unreasonable, maybe they give you a little extra to work with, but the 15 minutes means you get 600kB/s... which is unreasonable
[06:36] <ogra> twisted_steel: you know you are supposed to be dressed in librarys ?
[06:36] <|QuaD-> so i would say that your clock is lying
[06:36] <Madd_Marshall> and correction... the speed is 4mb/256k now...
[06:36] <twisted_steel> ogra: ohhhh, that's why :)
[06:36] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: but if they provide for free and u have a laptop, u can just go in and surf!!
[06:36] <Madd_Marshall> i forgot that they changed it like 2 months ago.. upped the caps on the whole network
[06:36] <carajean> can anyone help me with cedega
[06:37] <Madd_Marshall> but i got 400k.. whether you think im lying or not
[06:37] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: yup, I think it's just because I was in there during the day when the other kids were in school; I'm on break from college
[06:37] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall, |QuaD-: cool it. does it really matter?
[06:37] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: 4mbit i believe would allow 400k, i still don't believe the 15 minutes though
[06:37] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: ok
[06:37] <Madd_Marshall> da_bon_bon - no it doesnt... thats what is baffling me... i dont see why he cares
[06:37] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: trying to educate him in the difference between mbit and mbyte
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: i wish i had that. i love downloading and i just get 100 mb per month limit..
[06:38] <Madd_Marshall> all i care is that it downloaded within the span of the 15 minutes i left the room
[06:38] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: oh wow, that's terrible
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: really, its ok. he got ubuntu and will try. plese end the matter.
[06:38] <Madd_Marshall> da_bon - move to vegas
[06:38] <kensai> which is the package that on boot do the Configuring Network?
[06:38] <Madd_Marshall> they dont enforce the limits
[06:38] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: hehe :) for the record he needs a new clock
[06:38] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: the dialup here has a 200 hour cap, otherwise they charge you for some business version
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: at the age of 16 :D ??
[06:39] <Madd_Marshall> hey there is fun to be had for the underage
[06:39] <Madd_Marshall> get your folks to move
[06:39] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: from india to vegas, it isnt easy, or is it ;) ??
[06:39] <Madd_Marshall> india... oh
[06:39] <Madd_Marshall> quad... forgive me... i checked flashget... 17mins22secs...
[06:39] <Madd_Marshall> forgive me
[06:40] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: do the calculations
[06:40] <Madd_Marshall> average of 472.54KB/s
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: so u downloaded the whole friggin iso in 18 DAMN MINUTES ??
[06:40] <Madd_Marshall> yea i did
[06:40] <Madd_Marshall> da_bon... do they have broadband in india
[06:41] <Madd_Marshall> i assume they do
[06:41] <Madd_Marshall> quad... i think your just jealous
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> yes, but __very__ costly.
[06:41] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: that is possible actually... but do the calculations
[06:41] <Madd_Marshall> haha... my friend in canada has a better connection
[06:41] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: i have a 20mbit line
[06:41] <|QuaD-> definitely NOT jealous of a 4 mbit one
[06:41] <Madd_Marshall> ok... then why are you picking on me because i am happy abotu my speeds
[06:41] <Petrov> p
[06:41] <Madd_Marshall> just be happy that you have a better one than me
[06:41] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: i just watn you to learn the conversion
[06:41] <Petrov> HYE
[06:42] <Petrov> DOMBO
[06:42] <Madd_Marshall> it will never happen
[06:42] <|QuaD-> so you sound as smart as you hopefully are
[06:42] <Petrov> DOMBO
[06:42] <Madd_Marshall> it is one of those things i dont see the need to know
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: u somewhere in south america right?
[06:42] <Madd_Marshall> it wont help me get laid...
[06:42] <Petrov> HELLO
[06:42] <|QuaD-> nope... north east US
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: how much time owuld it take u to get an iso ?
[06:42] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: haha... you never know
[06:43] <Madd_Marshall> well i dont think i want a girl who is impressed by my conversion skills....
[06:43] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: do the calculations...2.048 Megabytes per second
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: oh, i had my globe turned wrong.
[06:43] <|QuaD-> i wasn't watching when i did it
[06:43] <Madd_Marshall> unless she is a hot blonde with glasses and a schoolgirl outfit
[06:43] <|QuaD-> *dled it
[06:43] <Petrov> goodbye
[06:43] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: that also assumes i max my connection out (which isn't likely
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: in 2 minutes?
[06:44] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: i was dling at an average of 1 Megabyte a second (that was just from looking over)
[06:44] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: sorry 4!
[06:44] <|QuaD-> so about 540 seconds
[06:44] <Madd_Marshall> 4 mins 40 seconds?
[06:44] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: if i maxxed out my connection
[06:44] <|QuaD-> but i have other things happening
[06:44] <|QuaD-> downloading and uploading
[06:45] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: it is nice
[06:45] <|QuaD-> i lose it in may though
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: u urself are repairing ur rig?
[06:45] <Madd_Marshall> yea
[06:45] <Madd_Marshall> my hdd died
[06:45] <|QuaD-> 			bp_msg = (struct BPmsg_t*) msg.data;
[06:45] <|QuaD-> 			for(i=0; i<MAXDATA; i++){
[06:45] <|QuaD-> 				MESSAGES[bp_msg->sender] [i+MAXDATA*bp_msg->packnum] =bp_msg->msg[i] ;
[06:45] <|QuaD-> 			}
[06:45] <|QuaD-> whats wrong with that???
[06:45] <Madd_Marshall> so im takign the time to put in a new drive, new ram, and a watercooling kit
[06:46] <Madd_Marshall> i do all my own installations... its so easy why not do it yourself
[06:46] <Madd_Marshall> hey bon bon... imma link you to a cartoon... you may or may not think its funny
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> imma means? and u mean u think i am a cartoon ?
[06:47] <Madd_Marshall> http://www.illwillpress.com/tech.html
[06:47] <Madd_Marshall> imma = im gonna
[06:47] <Madd_Marshall> = im going to
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: doesnt loadat all... just a big whit box
[06:48] <Madd_Marshall> shit
[06:48] <Madd_Marshall> yea wont load for me either
[06:48] <Madd_Marshall> well heres a classic
[06:48] <Madd_Marshall> http://www.illwillpress.com/sml.html
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> then whats the cartoon abotut ?
[06:48] <Madd_Marshall> tech support in india
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> loading
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> what was the first one about ?
[06:49] <Madd_Marshall> tech support in india
[06:49] <Madd_Marshall> its just weird
[06:49] <Madd_Marshall> its funny
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> my default browsers been set  to lynx. what do i do ?
[06:50] <PotajiTo> wenas
[06:50] <guille> PotajiTo, en ingles tio :P
[06:51] <PotajiTo> its and script guille
[06:51] <guille> sorry ;)
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: nice
[06:53] <Madd_Marshall> yup
[06:53] <Madd_Marshall> thats my favorite cartoon
[06:53] <Madd_Marshall> only show better... is Degrassi
[06:55] <Madd_Marshall> so why does everyone prefer ubuntu....
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: why why ?
[06:55] <twisted_steel> Madd_Marshall: because it works perfectly on my Thinkpad T42
[06:55] <stuNNed> twisted_steel, nice laptop
[06:56] <twisted_steel> stuNNed: yeah, my college gave it to me for free :)
[06:56] <Madd_Marshall> your college
[06:56] <Madd_Marshall> it is free already though...
[06:56] <twisted_steel> Madd_Marshall: not at all, I go to RPI
[06:56] <Madd_Marshall> thats cool though
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: i wanna join ur college - free laptop, free internet
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> !!
[06:56] <Madd_Marshall> not college fool
[06:56] <Madd_Marshall> ubuntu
[06:57] <Madd_Marshall> oh the laptop
[06:57] <Madd_Marshall> awesome
[06:57] <twisted_steel> Madd_Marshall: ah yes :)
[06:57] <Madd_Marshall> yea some odd trade schools do that here... give away a free p4 laptop
[06:57] <carajean> anybody use ubuntu distro
[06:57] <carajean> ???
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> most here use it
[06:57] <twisted_steel> Madd_Marshall: either way, I went to the library not sure if my wireless would work, went into the network settings and added the ESSID, and I was on
[06:57] <Madd_Marshall> my distro in winxp
[06:57] <Madd_Marshall> hehe
[06:58] <carajean> ok do any of u use it with cedega???
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> i want to get a laptop
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> damn i think ubuntu is the right choice
[06:58] <carajean> i cant get the people on the cedega channel to talk they just watch the screen
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> no one mentioned cedega in suse or fedora
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> so there must be some link
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> well i havent used cedega yet
[06:58] <twisted_steel> I really like them because I can just pick up the computer, move it to the couch, etc - things I definitely cannot do with my desktop
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> i plan to
[06:58] <Madd_Marshall> there is alot of help on google
[06:59] <Madd_Marshall> i wish i could find a cheap amd64 laptop
[06:59] <carajean> i tried searching google all day yesterdayu and im doin it right now i cant find a solution to my prob
[06:59] <twisted_steel> especially when the case by itself is about 20 lbs
[06:59] <Madd_Marshall> like around 1200
[06:59] <Madd_Marshall> my case is closer to 60 pounds
[06:59] <Madd_Marshall> the case itself is around 50
[06:59] <twisted_steel> not bad at all
[06:59] <carajean> i installed and it said setting up but then just went to the next cmd line
[07:00] <twisted_steel> good for excercise
[07:00] <carajean> no other windows poped up
[07:00] <|QuaD-> so... i have a problem wiht screen.... if a screen is attached and i want to view it, i type screen -d -r [num]  and all the other variations
[07:00] <carajean> this is what it looks like  Setting up point2play (1.3.2) ...
[07:00] <carajean> carajean@shicara:~
[07:00] <|QuaD-> none of the m werk
[07:00] <|QuaD-> *work
[07:01] <carajean> can some one help a newb out ive only been usin linux for a day
[07:01] <wasabi_> carajean, that's what it is supposed to do.
[07:02] <|QuaD-> bob2: does anyone else have that problem with screen?
[07:02] <carajean> ok now where do i go after that
[07:02] <|QuaD-> oh, i guess bob2 left
[07:02] <wasabi_> carajean, think what you'd do in windows, after an install is finished.
[07:03] <wasabi_> You'd go find whatever it installed and launch it... most likely
[07:03] <carajean> yeah but i dotn know where it installed to
[07:03] <wasabi_> sounds like a dumb program. ;)
[07:03] <wasabi_> anyways, it made a command, Point2Play.
[07:03] <wasabi_> (I know this because i've used it)
[07:04] <wasabi_> What it SHOULD do, if it was a better program, is put entries in your menus, etc.
[07:04] <carajean> ok  i will try  amen to that
[07:04] <carajean> wasbi u are a god thanks alot but i may have more questions about installing games
[07:05] <wasabi_> I have had no luck with cedega lately.
[07:05] <carajean> yeah is there also a command for cedega
[07:05] <wasabi_> there is when you install it. Point2Play installs it's own copy though.
[07:06] <carajean> ok i clicked get ltest version and it seems tobe getting ti
[07:08] <carajean> ok what games have u used on cedega
[07:08] <bronson> You know, CUPS is a truly bad piece of software.
[07:08] <bronson> But gtklp is even worse!
[07:08] <carajean> and do u know how i go about installin games
[07:08] <bronson> At least CUPS doesdn't crash all the time.
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> hey, has pentium 5 been released anywhere in the world ?
[07:09] <Madd_Marshall> ubuntu has no root?
[07:09] <Madd_Marshall> some sudo thing instead?
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: u got ubuntu up and running ?
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> hey, has pentium 5 been released anywhere in the world ?
[07:10] <mjg59> da_bon_bon: There is nothing currently named the pentium 5
[07:10] <twisted_steel> Madd_Marshall: yeah, you just do 'sudo command' and type in your password
[07:10] <da_bon_bon> mjg59: i mean pentium V
[07:10] <mjg59> da_bon_bon: Nor that
[07:10] <mjg59> p5 refers to the original pentium
[07:11] <da_bon_bon> mjg59: my friend was bluffing that it has been released out in the US
[07:12] <Madd_Marshall> da_bon_bon - no i dont... im just reading a review
[07:12] <Madd_Marshall> nvidia driver is included in the repositories?
[07:12] <mjg59> da_bon_bon: Well, it hasn't
[07:12] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: which review? gimme the link
[07:13] <Madd_Marshall> this is awesome... its like half review half tut
[07:13] <carajean> hey does anyone no why my cd-rom stops responding after awhile in linux
[07:13] <Madd_Marshall> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8407
[07:13] <carajean> i have to restart in order to get it to work again
[07:13] <Madd_Marshall> needs more pictures though
[07:14] <carajean> ok heres another question i have seen where on linux if i shut down it keeps all the windows up that i had up
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> how do install java in 'apt' ?
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> how do install java in 'apt' ?
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> how do install java in 'apt' ?
[07:17] <mjg59> da_bon_bon: Asking the same question repeatedly makes it less likely that you'll get an answer, not more likely
[07:17] <Madd_Marshall> hoary hedgehog?
[07:17] <sid77> da_bon_bon, read the wiki (and stop asking so many times)
[07:17] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: I think this might be what you are looking for: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#jre
[07:17] <Madd_Marshall> is that an upgrade from warty warthog?
[07:17] <stuNNed> mjg59, i think he is stuttering
[07:18] <mjg59> Madd_Marshall: It's the name of the next release
[07:18] <mjg59> It's currently in development
[07:18] <Madd_Marshall> oh ok
[07:18] <Madd_Marshall> i dont like the naming
[07:18] <da_bon_bon> ok sorry and thanks
[07:18] <Madd_Marshall> they should just stick with numbers
[07:19] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: they are 'project name' not distro name - every linux distro has one
[07:19] <RuffianSoldier> Santa: "Now what would like for Christmas?"  Me: "More bandwidth, and 1GB of PC2700 DDR RAM"  Santa: ".................."
[07:20] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[07:20] <Gorth> Im trying to get my Linksys WUSB54g working. Any pointers on which documents to read first?
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> ok bye guys cya all later...
[07:22] <pepsi> has anyone installed xcircuit?
[07:23] <|QuaD-> pepsi: what is that?
[07:23] <|QuaD-> sounds like i might want to
[07:23] <carajean> ok now im havin trouble installin WoW straight form the cd can anyone help
[07:24] <acetech> WoW has a linux install?
[07:25] <|QuaD-> whats wow?
[07:25] <crimsun> that new Blizzard game
[07:25] <twisted_steel> World of Warcraft?
[07:25] <acetech> world of warcraft
[07:26] <|QuaD-> wow is for linux?
[07:26] <acetech> i dont think there is a linux installer for it though
[07:26] <acetech> the box only has mac and windows
[07:26] <acetech> but you get it to run in cedega
[07:28] <angrypunk> Could someone help me please?  How do I view my partition map so i can figure out what to add in my fstab?
[07:29] <Kamion> Madd_Marshall: you're entirely welcome to call them 4.10 and 5.04 if you prefer
[07:29] <acetech> angrypunk: use fdisk
[07:30] <sid77> angrypunk, try with fdisk -l /dev/hda
[07:30] <Madd_Marshall> ubuntu installs the nvidia 3d driver by default
[07:30] <|QuaD-> Kamion: who came up with the numbers? how did they get them
[07:30] <Madd_Marshall> omg im loving it more every second
[07:30] <Kamion> |QuaD-: dates
[07:30] <sid77> angrypunk, if /dev/hda is your disk, of course
[07:30] <Kamion> |QuaD-: add 2000 and treat the fractional part as a month ...
[07:30] <|QuaD-> ahh that makes sense
[07:30] <|QuaD-> what happens in 2014???
[07:30] <Kamion> 14.04, 14.10
[07:31] <|QuaD-> y2k bug all over again!
[07:31] <Kamion> why should 2014 be special?
[07:31] <|QuaD-> then what about 3004
[07:31] <Kamion> 1004.04
[07:31] <|QuaD-> haha
[07:31] <|QuaD-> you have thought of everything!
[07:31] <angrypunk> thanks sid77, acetech
[07:31] <tavon> ls
[07:31] <tavon> oops
[07:31] <Kamion> the year portion merely starts at 4, there's no intrinsic limit
[07:31] <Madd_Marshall> thanks kamion... id prefer to call it 5.04 instead of hoary
[07:32] <Madd_Marshall> i mean warty is ok... but hoary
[07:32] <|QuaD-> what happens at year infinity (stumped you there!)
[07:32] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: no one will knowwhat you are referring to
[07:32] <Kamion> 5.04 is perfectly reasonable to talk about
[07:32] <tavon> I trying to decide where to install eclipse... do you install it in /opt/eclipse or your home directory?
[07:32] <Kamion> Madd_Marshall: argue with Mark, not us ;)
[07:32] <tavon> what are the advantages?
[07:33] <Kamion> |QuaD-: it's a bit of a playground game, but we can argue about sequences of infinities if you *really* want
[07:33] <|QuaD-> Kamion: i am just kidding
[07:33] <|QuaD-> oh, and by the way, bittornado works great
[07:33] <Kamion> aleph-0 minus 4 is still aleph-0, though :)
[07:33] <Madd_Marshall> hey
[07:34] <Madd_Marshall> what does this mean ; " deboostrapping a clean 32 bit chroot"
[07:34] <Madd_Marshall> what does this mean : " debootstrapping a clean 32 bit chroot"
[07:34] <|QuaD-> Kamion: yeah... i have done a lot with infinity in my coursework
[07:34] <Kamion> debootstrap is the tool used to install Debian/Ubuntu base systems onto a clean filesystem
[07:34] <Madd_Marshall> hmmmm... ok
[07:34] <acetech> can you change to ubuntu with a debian system?
[07:34] <carajean> so has anyone actually got cedega to work
[07:35] <Madd_Marshall> cara
[07:35] <crimsun> acetech: yes. carajean: yes.
[07:35] <Madd_Marshall> http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[07:35] <Kamion> |QuaD-: bittornado> good
[07:35] <Madd_Marshall> kamion... what does that mean though
[07:35] <|QuaD-> Kamion: as a thank you.... i am currently seeding the live and install iso's for i386... for the next like 15 days when i am out of town and my 20mbit line will not be used
[07:36] <Kamion> Madd_Marshall: basically it's explaining how to set up an environment that pretends to just be i386
[07:36] <Madd_Marshall> im trying to figure out how to get a 32bit lib added to a 64bit ubuntu install
[07:36] <Madd_Marshall> ok cool
[07:36] <Madd_Marshall> is it hard
[07:36] <Kamion> but it's a totally separate environment, not a couple of overlay libraries
[07:36] <Kamion> that page appears to have full directions
[07:37] <Brikkah> hello, can some help me with this problem : => http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9023
[07:37] <setup_> hello, i'm having difficulty getting an external dvd drive connected to my laptop via an ide->usb cable working.
[07:37] <Madd_Marshall> a totally seperate enviroment?
[07:38] <Madd_Marshall> so it wouldnt be usable at the same time as everything else?
[07:39] <Kamion> no, the chroot program allows you to use them simultaneously
[07:39] <Kamion> but it's a pain to e.g. run graphical programs from inside a chroot
[07:40] <Madd_Marshall> well i hope its not too much of a pain
[07:41] <DeepSpaceAnt> guys when are the FGLRX drivers for XORG going to be up!?
[07:41] <stuNNed> DeepSpaceAnt, that is probly a ques for #ati?
[07:41] <Kamion> Madd_Marshall: it would seem easier to try the directions on the page and then ask if you have a problem
[07:41] <DeepSpaceAnt> hmm
[07:42] <Kamion> ATI have not provided updated binary drivers yet.
[07:42] <Madd_Marshall> well yea i will... i was just curious
[07:42] <Madd_Marshall> i use nvidia 6800gt
[07:42] <Madd_Marshall> so that tutorial gives me hope
[07:43] <Madd_Marshall> since it claims that nvidia drivers are included by default
[07:43] <DeepSpaceAnt> bah..#ati channel is dead or something noone responds
[07:43] <crimsun> DeepSpaceAnt: the next release of fglrx will support amd64, X.Org, GLSL, etc.
[07:43] <Kamion> in a *whole two minutes*
[07:43] <Kamion> dude, it's Christmas Eve, you're lucky anyone's on IRC
[07:43] <Madd_Marshall> two minutes?
[07:43] <crimsun> DeepSpaceAnt: until that is released, Ubuntu Hoary will not have it in linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` at all
[07:46] <Madd_Marshall> how can they afford to send out all these free cds to people?
[07:46] <Ribs> CDs are very cheap to produce
[07:47] <Madd_Marshall> but they are not free
[07:47] <Kamion> consider it a form of PR
[07:47] <Ribs> Madd_Marshall, They have a lot of spare cash
[07:47] <Madd_Marshall> a PR for something they dont charge for
[07:47] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: they are really cheap... the money is actually in the shipping
[07:47] <Madd_Marshall> yea thats what i mena
[07:47] <Madd_Marshall> and they put no limit on it
[07:47] <Madd_Marshall> which is actually smarter in a sense
[07:47] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: shipping 500 cd's isn't much more then shipping 1
[07:47] <Kamion> (some people have tried to abuse it, the egregious abusers are caught)
[07:48] <Madd_Marshall> abusers eh?
[07:48] <Kamion> there was a guy who ordered 10000 for himself and his friends ...
[07:48] <|QuaD-> Kamion: how much is abusers?
[07:48] <Madd_Marshall> im not one am i
[07:48] <Madd_Marshall> i just ordered 20
[07:48] <Madd_Marshall> 10 regular and 10 64bit
[07:48] <|QuaD-> kamion is 50-60 abuse?
[07:48] <Kamion> 20's reasonable
[07:48] <Kamion> |QuaD-: I'm not going to answer questions of that form for hopefully obvious reasons :)
[07:48] <Kamion> don't worry, it's pretty obvious when people are taking the piss :)
[07:49] <Kamion> if you haven't got a mail asking you why you need so many, we aren't bothered
[07:49] <|QuaD-> Kamion: i also haven't gotten my 50-60 yet :)
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> hey, ubuntu cant play mpegs out of the box ?
[07:49] <|QuaD-> i want to distribute them at my uni
[07:49] <TD> is there any way to test the live CD without burning it to an actual CD? I already have fedora, so I was wondering if grub - magical program that it is - could boot direct from the ISO
[07:49] <Kamion> da_bon_bon: see RestrictedFormats on the wiki
[07:50] <anselm_> I was wondering does Epiphany have all the plug-ins like firefox has to make it useable?
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> TD: it cant but i cant remember how - search on google
[07:50] <Madd_Marshall> td
[07:50] <TD> it can or it can't?
[07:50] <Madd_Marshall> without burning... why... your cheap
[07:50] <Madd_Marshall> hehe
[07:50] <TD> it's not that
[07:50] <TD> i already did a burn, and it got corrupted
[07:51] <Madd_Marshall> really
[07:51] <Madd_Marshall> how odd
[07:51] <Kamion> Madd_Marshall: Mark doesn't think it's a worthwhile business model to try to charge for free software itself; there are free-software-company business models that don't involve charging for the actual software, and most of them are improved by having lots of mindshare
[07:51] <TD> i have no idea why, so i'm not too eager to throw away more CDs in debugging sessions
[07:51] <Madd_Marshall> i burned fedora 6 times
[07:51] <Madd_Marshall> all were bad...
[07:51] <TD> Madd_Marshall: maybe the ISO was corrupted?
[07:51] <TD> i already verified that's not the case here
[07:51] <Kamion> at least I think that's a fair paraphrase
[07:51] <Madd_Marshall> hehe tell mark to send out free pcs
[07:51] <Kamion> ha, don't see that happening :)
[07:51] <Madd_Marshall> like a sweepstakes for a free pc
[07:52] <Madd_Marshall> hey question
[07:52] <Madd_Marshall> can i make a slipstream of ubuntu?
[07:52] <Kamion> slipstream?
[07:52] <mlambie> is the entire ubuntu team goming to canberra for linux.conf.au?
[07:52] <Madd_Marshall> its like an install that is already configred
[07:52] <Madd_Marshall> i have one for windows XP
[07:52] <Kamion> mlambie: we're holding a conference shortly before LCA, some people will be staying for LCA
[07:52] <Madd_Marshall> you can make apps auto-install and stuff
[07:53] <mlambie> Kamion: will it be a public conferences?
[07:53] <Kamion> you can do an install and image it
[07:53] <mlambie> conference i mean
[07:53] <Kamion> mlambie: AFAIK yesh
[07:53] <Kamion> er, yes
[07:53] <mlambie> ace
[07:53] <DeepSpaceAnt> Guys, is the Ubuntu dev team going to set up a Bootsplash screen just like under Fedora Core
[07:53] <Madd_Marshall> ill look it up.. someone must have a tutorial for slipstreaming linux
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> Kamion: plese tell me directly, without legales, how do i play mpg and dat files in totem
[07:54] <Kamion> DeepSpaceAnt: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/USplash
[07:54] <Kamion> install totem-xine?
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> Kamion: do i install totem-xine ?
[07:54] <Kamion> da_bon_bon: I already referred you to http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats, which has directions
[07:55] <DeepSpaceAnt> Kamion: is USplash working as of now ?
[07:56] <DeepSpaceAnt> Kamion: (can I just install it from apt)
[07:56] <|QuaD-> Kamion: who is the girl in the ubuntu-calendar wallpaper?
[07:56] <TD> hah
[07:56] <Kamion> DeepSpaceAnt: not yet
[07:56] <TD> she isn't even that fit dude
[07:56] <Kamion> |QuaD-: hired model
[07:56] <|QuaD-> oh ok
[07:56] <DeepSpaceAnt> lol..
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> Kamion: does mpeg fall under mp4 ?
[07:56] <Madd_Marshall> kamion
[07:56] <Kamion> da_bon_bon: I have absolutely no idea
[07:57] <Madd_Marshall> can i turn an image into a self contained bootable installer?
[07:57] <|QuaD-> mp4=mpeg layer 4
[07:57] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: mpeg4 falls under mpeg
[07:57] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: there is a decoder library for it in the Marillat repository. Follow the RestrictedFormats link, as Kamion stated.
[07:59] <mlambie> is USplash what some of the other ubuntu people have called "Mad Phat Startup" by any chance?
[07:59] <Madd_Marshall> anyone use Opera?
[07:59] <Kamion> mlambie: yes
[08:00] <mlambie> :)
[08:00] <mlambie> and with that, i'll wish you all a good night, merry christmas (where applicable)
[08:00] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: please, i am not getting head or tails on restricedformats wiki, how do i add .mpg and .dat playback capability ??
[08:00] <Madd_Marshall> happy athiest party daty
[08:01] <Madd_Marshall> haha jk... im a catholic... but i dont like christmas...stupid music
[08:01] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: please follow the instructions on the RestrictedFormats wiki.
[08:01] <da_bon_bon> whats the difference between REalPlayer and HelixPlayer?
[08:02] <TD> helixplayer does the same stuff, but better
[08:02] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: HelixPlayer does not contain the non-free, closed-source components
[08:02] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: RealPlayer is a superset of HelixPlayer.
[08:02] <Madd_Marshall> whats a superset
[08:02] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: opposite of a subset
[08:02] <Madd_Marshall> god i feel like a preschooler in here
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: so if i install real i get helix capability too? then can i play mpegs ?
[08:02] <Madd_Marshall> whats a subset
[08:02] <Madd_Marshall> these are words ive seen... but never used on a regular basis...
[08:02] <|QuaD-> Madd_Marshall: lol... realplayer i am GUESSING is like a parent to it
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> forget i asked
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> ok that works
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> helix is a free clone though right
[08:03] <Agrajag> not a clone, it's the same source code
[08:03] <Kamion> == Messages ==
[08:03] <Kamion> Hey Colin. I was asked to remove WikiTeam as they don't want to sub-team just yet. They'd like myself and any others interested (you) to join the Doc team and help out that way. ''--[Kevin Mulligan] ''
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> really?
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> hmmmm
[08:03] <Kamion> oops
[08:03] <Agrajag> yes
[08:03] <Kamion> Madd_Marshall: http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> but how so if realplater is closed-source
[08:03] <Kamion> GAH, DAMN PASTE
[08:03] <Madd_Marshall> was helixplayer made by real?
[08:03] <Agrajag> real takes the helix code and adds their proprietary codecs
[08:04] <DeepSpaceAnt> lol..
[08:04] <Kamion> http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/definition.html?lookup=4876
[08:04] <Madd_Marshall> who made helix
[08:04] <Agrajag> it's under their supervision, helix is not GPL
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: so if i install real i get helix capability too? then can i play mpegs ?
[08:04] <Madd_Marshall> no its not free?
[08:04] <Agrajag> helix is free
[08:04] <crimsun> Madd_Marshall: HelixPlayer will not.
[08:04] <Madd_Marshall> but not GPL
[08:04] <crimsun> err
[08:04] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: HelixPlayer will not.
[08:04] <Madd_Marshall> whats different between the two...
[08:04] <Agrajag> realplayer is free-as-in-beer, but not free-as-in-speech
[08:04] <Madd_Marshall> will not what?
[08:04] <crimsun> Madd_Marshall: wrong nick.
[08:04] <Agrajag> Madd_Marshall: I told you, real's proprietary codecs.
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: real will ? i am getting realplayer not helix...
[08:05] <Madd_Marshall> free beer breeds free speech
[08:05] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no.
[08:05] <Agrajag> helix player won't play realvideo/audio
[08:05] <Madd_Marshall> so what is ists purpose.
[08:05] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: install the codecs as instructed on the RestrictedFormats wiki under Marillat's repository.
[08:05] <Agrajag> it's to provide real with a decent framework on which to build realplayer
[08:05] <Agrajag> look at the crappile that is realplayer 8/9, then look at 10
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> so real was made from helix?
[08:06] <Agrajag> yes
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> who made helix
[08:06] <Agrajag> I've been telling you that
[08:06] <Agrajag> WKVBIRWBV
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: u mean the "w32codecs" ?? if i install real directly, do i nead to get w32codecs ?
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> whos that
[08:06] <Agrajag> REAL
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> real made it
[08:06] <Agrajag> YES
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> so they made helix player
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> then added their own shit and called it realplayer
[08:06] <Agrajag> and they opened the source to it
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> oh ok
[08:06] <Madd_Marshall> both suck though
[08:07] <Agrajag> so people could change stuff
[08:07] <Agrajag> if you say so.
[08:07] <Madd_Marshall> no playlists suck
[08:07] <Agrajag> It's a hell of a lot better than realplayer 8 or 9 were
[08:07] <Madd_Marshall> well thats probably true
[08:07] <Madd_Marshall> but it needs playlists
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> anyone can please cleary without legalese and being tight lipped tell me how to ply my mpg files ?
[08:07] <Agrajag> so use something else, it's not meant for that sort of thing
[08:07] <Madd_Marshall> then it would be perfect
[08:07] <Agrajag> I just use it for internet radoi
[08:07] <Madd_Marshall> i know... which is why i dont like it
[08:07] <Agrajag> radio
[08:07] <Madd_Marshall> xmms works for internet radio does it not
[08:08] <Agrajag> not if it's realaudio
[08:08] <Madd_Marshall> is xmms like a complete replacement for winamp
[08:08] <crimsun> Madd_Marshall: yes
[08:08] <crimsun> Madd_Marshall: and more
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: u mean the "w32codecs" ?? if i install real directly, do i nead to get w32codecs ?
[08:08] <Madd_Marshall> so it plays videos too
[08:08] <Agrajag> no
[08:08] <Agrajag> it plays music
[08:08] <Madd_Marshall> but winamp plays videos too
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: xmms doesnt play videos.
[08:08] <Agrajag> only recently
[08:08] <Madd_Marshall> shit
[08:08] <Madd_Marshall> i like how winamp does that
[08:08] <Agrajag> look, if you want something that does everything, use Totem
[08:09] <Zotnix> Thee is a plugin that allows it.
[08:09] <Zotnix> There*
[08:09] <Madd_Marshall> you think winamp will run with crossover office
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> totem SUCKS
[08:09] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you need at least w32codecs, but you also need the faad libs.
[08:09] <Madd_Marshall> well i like apps that do alot at once
[08:09] <Zotnix> xmms.org might have something posted in their plugin section
[08:09] <Madd_Marshall> like opera... does web and email
[08:09] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: the faad libs are for mp4
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i have only mpeg files....
[08:09] <Zotnix> Mozilla does web, email, and IRC... AND web developing :-p
[08:09] <Agrajag> and it's bloated and slow
[08:09] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: then install w32codecs
[08:10] <Agrajag> compared to firefox/thunderbird/sunbird/lightning/whatever
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: its 11 MB :(:( no other alternative ?
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> Madd_Marshall: winamp works fine with wineX i hear
[08:11] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: just get it.
[08:11] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: or grab 'vlc' or 'totem-xine'
[08:11] <Madd_Marshall> never saw a pop3 client included in mozilla
[08:11] <Agrajag> Madd_Marshall: huh?
[08:11] <Madd_Marshall> whats bloated
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: then i dont need w32codecs?
[08:12] <Madd_Marshall> opera isnt bloated
[08:12] <Agrajag> like, mozilla mail?
[08:12] <Pyraine> this is the place to come for Ubuntu help?
[08:12] <Madd_Marshall> whats mozilla mail
[08:12] <Agrajag> the mail component of mozilla
[08:12] <twisted_steel> Pyraine: yes indeed
[08:12] <Madd_Marshall> im talking abotu firefox compared to opera
[08:12] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: if w32codecs is needed (a Depends), it will be retrieved as well.
 never saw a pop3 client included in mozilla
[08:12] <Agrajag> ???
[08:12] <Zotnix> Wow, I went to the XMMS site and see a plugin to play avi files.
[08:12] <Madd_Marshall> yea... i mean firefox
[08:12] <Agrajag> oh
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok then i am getting totem-xine isnt it an addone to totem ?
[08:12] <Agrajag> da_bon_bon:  no, it's a replacement
[08:12] <Brikkah> hello, can some help me with this problem : => http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9023
[08:12] <Madd_Marshall> whats the difference between mozilla and firefox
[08:13] <Pyraine> does anybody have BT Broadband modem working on Ubuntu?
[08:13] <Agrajag> it's totem linked against xien-lib instead of gstreamer
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> Agrajag: its a different program ?
[08:13] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no, it replaces it.
[08:13] <Madd_Marshall> opera has email and tabbed windows by default
[08:13] <Madd_Marshall> i like defaults
[08:13] <Agrajag> Madd_Marshall: firefox is just a browser
[08:13] <Madd_Marshall> it just makes me trust the developers more
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: thats oinly 4MB, i doubt whether it will play mpg files?
[08:13] <Agrajag> mozilla is a complete suite and application framework
[08:13] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: it will.
[08:13] <Madd_Marshall> suite of what
[08:13] <Agrajag> Madd_Marshall: if it's so great, why won't they let us have the source?
[08:13] <Madd_Marshall> is the browser included firefox
[08:13] <Agrajag> why do they have to hoard it?
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: well, i am getting totem-xine
[08:14] <Madd_Marshall> because they're not that cool yet
[08:14] <Madd_Marshall> but i dont think that it has to be open-source to be good
[08:14] <Madd_Marshall> oss is nice though.. i think
[08:14] <Madd_Marshall> im scared of compiling
[08:15] <Pyraine> does anybody have BT Voyager up and running on Ubuntu, or have any ideas on how to get it up and running?
[08:15] <BockBilbo> merry christmas to all ;)
[08:15] <BockBilbo> :D
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> haha - a newbie is here lol
[08:15] <Madd_Marshall> happy hanukkah
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> whats that?
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok so after it installs, i just run 'totem' as before and try to open the file ?
[08:15] <Pyraine> 'support'
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: why changed ur name ?
[08:16] <SuperNewb> anyone successfully use cedega with ubuntu 64?
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: u installed ubuntu 64?
[08:16] <SuperNewb> i feel that this name is much more suiting at this point in my linux endeavors
[08:16] <Crane> Hello Hello Hello
[08:16] <Agrajag> I don't think you could do that
[08:16] <RuffianSoldier> SuperNewb - why not?
[08:16] <Agrajag> you can't run 32-bit binaries on a 64-bit kernel, can you?
[08:16] <SuperNewb> why not what
[08:17] <SuperNewb> agra i think you can
[08:17] <Pyraine> jesus christ
[08:17] <SuperNewb> http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[08:17] <Crane> I am really impressed with how well ubuntu works with my usb card reader
[08:17] <Crane> :)
[08:17] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: correct.
[08:17] <SuperNewb> but as i dont have my rig yet... and im not allowed to install in on this pc
[08:17] <SuperNewb> i broke a pc back in the redhat 6.0 days
[08:17] <SuperNewb> bad attempt and formatting
[08:17] <Crane> how is everyone today?
[08:18] <Pyraine> upset
[08:18] <SuperNewb> pyraine whats wrong
[08:18] <Crane> y upset
[08:18] <SuperNewb> all you need is a pepsi
[08:18] <Pyraine> everyone is ignoring me ><
[08:18] <SuperNewb> i love pepsi... im addicted
[08:18] <SuperNewb> i need help
[08:18] <SuperNewb> pyraine - i missed the question
[08:18] <Crane> lol
[08:18] <pepsi> hi
[08:18] <SuperNewb> re-ask
[08:18] <Crane> it seems that way sometimes
[08:18] <Pyraine> i need to get my modem working
[08:18] <SuperNewb> oh shit... hi pepsi
[08:19] <pepsi> hehe
[08:19] <olimar> Hi all
[08:19] <SuperNewb> why are you so addicting
[08:19] <Pyraine> it's a BT Voyager 100
[08:19] <olimar> how can I add other locales to my ubuntu installation?
[08:19] <crimsun> (diet pepsi)++
[08:19] <SuperNewb> your sweet carbonated burning sensation as you go down
[08:19] <SuperNewb> its not right to tease me so
[08:19] <crimsun> olimar: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> is it worth upgrading to a 686 kernel on a pentium III ?
[08:19] <Pyraine> works fine on windows, because the install disc has .exe's
[08:19] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: yes.
[08:19] <SuperNewb> oh
[08:19] <SuperNewb> well what sorta modem
[08:19] <Crane> hmmmm
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: performance? speed?
[08:19] <Crane> phone?
[08:19] <SuperNewb> you shouldnt even need drivers... i usually dont
[08:20] <Crane> modem
[08:20] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: (yes)
[08:20] <Pyraine> well
[08:20] <RuffianSoldier> im so 733T!
[08:20] <Pyraine> how else would i get it to connect?
[08:20] <SuperNewb> dialup?
[08:20] <Pyraine> ADSL
[08:20] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: "l337?"
[08:20] <Pyraine> 512kps
[08:20] <SuperNewb> so ethernet card then
[08:20] <SuperNewb> hmmmm... for some reason i never have hardware problems
[08:20] <Dupke> hey, can someone help me?
[08:20] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun - you obviously dont play FPS
[08:20] <Crane> well there are dsl and cable modems as well
[08:20] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun: it means leet which means elite
[08:20] <Crane> let see what we can find
[08:21] <SuperNewb> well usually modems dont need drivers
[08:21] <olimar> great thenx crimson!
[08:21] <Pyraine> i dont even know how to make ubuntu detect hardware
[08:21] <SuperNewb> unless ur using USB with it
[08:21] <olimar> thanx
[08:21] <Pyraine> yes
[08:21] <Pyraine> it's USB
[08:21] <SuperNewb> oh damn you
[08:21] <stuNNed> crimsun, why is ssh only listening on tcp6?
[08:21] <SuperNewb> even on windows usb gives me shit
[08:21] <SuperNewb> hmmmm... what modem
[08:21] <Pyraine> BT Voyager 100
[08:22] <Pyraine> i found some guide on eciadsl but it's 100% too complex for me
[08:22] <kebac> SuperNewb: usually modems do need drivers, unless they are external
[08:22] <crimsun> stuNNed: huh?
[08:22] <Dupke> i'm having trouble to connect with a computer in my network ( computer is win2000) i don't have enough rights
[08:22] <SuperNewb> try http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/index.php?lang=en
[08:22] <kebac> SuperNewb: and connect through serial cable
[08:22] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: totem works now. thanks.
[08:22] <Pyraine> heh read what i just said ;)
[08:22] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: good.
 i found some guide on eciadsl but it's 100% too complex for me
[08:22] <SuperNewb> and http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/doc.php?lang=en&view=html
[08:22] <stuNNed> crimsun, sorry, netstat -tupan says ssh is listening on 'tcp6' is that ipv6 only?
[08:22] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: how do i install kernel 686 ?
[08:22] <crimsun> stuNNed: no, that includes IPv4
[08:22] <SuperNewb> oh
[08:23] <stuNNed> oh ok thanks
[08:23] <SuperNewb> so youve tried that?
[08:23] <Pyraine> well i looked at it
[08:23] <Pyraine> for a long time
[08:23] <Pyraine> i tried, i really did
[08:23] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: `sudo apt-get install linux-image-686'
[08:23] <Pyraine> but im only 16 and have no linux experience
[08:23] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: doesnt 'linux-686' work ?
[08:24] <SuperNewb> dont demean yourself... it just takes time...
[08:24] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: sure it will
[08:24] <SuperNewb> hmmm well what part confused you
[08:24] <SuperNewb> did you install the driver
[08:24] <Pyraine> the beginning
[08:24] <Pyraine> i didnt get a word of it
[08:24] <SuperNewb> hey guys what installer should he use for ubuntu
[08:24] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: however, 'linux-686' depends on your having access to the 'restricted' repo whereas 'linux-image-686' does not.
[08:24] <SuperNewb> debian?
[08:24] <SuperNewb> slackware?
[08:24] <SuperNewb> fedora
[08:24] <crimsun> SuperNewb: why not use the Ubuntu installer?
[08:24] <SuperNewb> ?
[08:24] <SuperNewb> redhat?
[08:24] <SuperNewb> there isnt one
[08:25] <crimsun> SuperNewb: on the CD?
[08:25] <SuperNewb> for this driver there are a few versions
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: totem quality aint good. what else do i have? mplayer?
[08:25] <crimsun> (I'm coming into this conversation late)
[08:25] <SuperNewb> nah im talking about the drivers for Pyraine's modem
[08:25] <crimsun> ah
[08:25] <Pyraine> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download/nortek-2021/
[08:25] <SuperNewb> would debian be the closest match?
[08:25] <Pyraine> they are the drivers
[08:25] <ogra> Pyraine: http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download/eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb
[08:25] <Pyraine> but i dont know how to install them
[08:25] <crimsun> well, one could always try the Sarge netinstall then dist-upgrade to Warty
[08:25] <SuperNewb> so yea... the debian one ok
[08:26] <crimsun> but ogra's urls are better
[08:26] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: totem quality aint good. what else do i have? mplayer?
[08:26] <SuperNewb> ok so download that
[08:26] <Pyraine> downlooad?
[08:26] <SuperNewb> then we'll go from there
[08:26] <Pyraine> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download/nortek-2021/
[08:26] <Pyraine> ?
[08:26] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: 'vlc', 'mplayer', ...
[08:26] <SuperNewb> the one ogra linked
[08:26] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: which is better ?
[08:26] <SuperNewb> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download/eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb
[08:26] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no idea; try them both.
[08:26] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: as you know, i have only 100mb download limit per month, so i need to be cautious...
[08:27] <Pyraine> it's downloaded but uh
[08:27] <SuperNewb> pyraine - you with me so far
[08:27] <Pyraine> i need to reinstall
[08:27] <Pyraine> ubuntu
[08:27] <SuperNewb> ok... now from there someone will have to confirm what to do next...
[08:27] <SuperNewb> why?
[08:27] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: I have no idea. I only use 'mplayer', so I can't speak for the others.
[08:27] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: mplayer-586 gives 'broken packages; and 'dependancy not met' error...
[08:27] <Pyraine> because i only have 2 harddrive slots
[08:27] <SuperNewb> hey ogra... how do you install a .deb package? is it like an RPM
[08:27] <Pyraine> and i have 3 harddrives
[08:28] <Dupke> i'm having trouble to connect with a computer in my network ( computer is win2000) i don't have enough rights
[08:28] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: did you follow the RestrictedFormats instructions?
[08:28] <ogra> SuperNewb: sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>
[08:28] <Pyraine> my ubuntu one is unplugged and packed away
[08:28] <SuperNewb> on fedora i could right-click and select install... not so sure about ubuntu...
[08:28] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i have the needed repos.
[08:28] <SuperNewb> ok Pyraine - you see that
[08:28] <SuperNewb> sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>
[08:28] <SuperNewb> so.,...
[08:28] <SuperNewb> sudo dpkg -i <eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb>
[08:28] <Pyraine> sudo dpkg?
[08:28] <ogra> i suspect a 2.6.9 kernel is needed.....
[08:28] <SuperNewb> i dont know what dpkg is...
[08:29] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: please see my sources.list on #flood
[08:29] <stuNNed> crimsun, do you have openssh-server installed? if so can you real quick 'ssh localhost' let me know if it works? if you are running unstable...
[08:29] <SuperNewb> but sudo is the root thing
[08:29] <SuperNewb> dpkg? driver package?
[08:29] <ogra> SuperNewb: dpkg = depian package manager
[08:29] <ogra> debian
[08:29] <SuperNewb> pyraine open your terminal
[08:29] <SuperNewb> and input
[08:29] <Pyraine> uh?
[08:29] <SuperNewb> sudo dpkg -i <eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb>
[08:29] <Pyraine> ok
[08:29] <Pyraine> is that all i would need to do?
[08:29] <Pyraine> where would i put the driver?
[08:29] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: please see #flood
[08:29] <Pyraine> just on the desktop?
[08:30] <SuperNewb> ogra... your the smart one... help me out here
[08:30] <ogra> SuperNewb: wait, that gets hairy, the driver will probably need a 2-6-9 kernel
[08:30] <SuperNewb> really? why 2.6.9
[08:30] <ogra> which is not available for hoary.....
[08:30] <ogra> sorry warty
[08:30] <SuperNewb> is that eciadsl thing that new
[08:31] <ogra> nope, but the 2.6.9 one provides a hook for it it seems
[08:31] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: then paste the full error for 'mplayer-586' in #flood
[08:31] <SuperNewb> shit
[08:31] <ogra> crimsun: marillat is brojen
[08:31] <ogra> +k
[08:31] <SuperNewb> is there a chance of a generic driver being on ubuntu... that he can just specify
[08:31] <DeepSpaceAnt> isnt Totem a derivation of MPlayer?
[08:31] <Pyraine> this is hurting my brain
[08:31] <ogra> DeepSpaceAnt: nope
[08:31] <SuperNewb> pyraine - yea it gets like that some time
[08:31] <Pyraine> so i put the driver on the desktop?
[08:31] <Pyraine> then type in terminal
[08:31] <SuperNewb> its all gets easier as you go on
[08:32] <ogra> SuperNewb: nope, i dont think so
[08:32] <Pyraine> sudo dpkg -i <eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb>
[08:32] <Pyraine> ?
[08:32] <SuperNewb> ogra... terminal finds .deb packages automatically right?
[08:32] <ogra> SuperNewb: this is a weird modem it seems
[08:32] <ogra> SuperNewb: nope
[08:32] <SuperNewb> yea... i think usb modems are evil... especially in linux
[08:32] <Pyraine> it's one of the most used modems in the UK
[08:32] <Pyraine> =\
[08:32] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: please see.
[08:32] <ogra> SuperNewb: copy them in the homdir of the user...
[08:32] <SuperNewb> just one more non-standard device to present problems
[08:33] <SuperNewb> pyraine - in the US our modems offer USB or Ethernet
[08:33] <SuperNewb> i chose ethernet as it is older and causes less problems
[08:33] <SuperNewb> my modem can do either
[08:33] <Pyraine> our ISP's just deliver, you don't have any say
[08:33] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: vlc might be smaller - including the gnome frontend I get a total of 9341 kB
[08:33] <SuperNewb> do you, by chance have a modem like mine
[08:33] <Dupke> how can i mount an extra HDD?
[08:33] <Pyraine> i dont know what yours is like/
[08:33] <SuperNewb> nope nvm i checked
[08:34] <ogra> SuperNewb: probably the cdc-acm driver could work, but i doubt it
[08:34] <SuperNewb> your is strictly usb
[08:34] <SuperNewb> you dsl company hates you
[08:34] <ogra> SuperNewb: its included in warty
[08:34] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: apt-cache policy mplayer-586
[08:34] <Pyraine> BT is the owner of all phone lines in UK
[08:34] <StolenShoeBox> Hello everyone I was wondering how I keep my software up to date?
[08:34] <SuperNewb> pyraine - so you know... everythign ogra is saying to me is for your eyes too as its yoru problem
[08:34] <SuperNewb> BT is evil
[08:34] <StolenShoeBox> i have gaim 1.0 but the newest is 1.2
[08:34] <SuperNewb> thats all im saying
[08:34] <Pyraine> yes im reading him
[08:35] <StolenShoeBox> 1.1*
[08:35] <Pyraine> so i put the driver in the homdir
[08:35] <Pyraine> and then type in terminal
[08:35] <Pyraine> sudo dpkg -i <eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb>
[08:35] <Pyraine> ?
[08:35] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: whats the size of mplayer?
[08:35] <SuperNewb> have you called them and asked yet
[08:35] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: did that. now what?
[08:35] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: let me check
[08:35] <SuperNewb> yea something like that
[08:35] <ogra> Pyraine: wait, i dont think this works out of the box
[08:35] <Pyraine> no im not wasting my money i would just get redirected
[08:35] <nyktovus> can someone help me make the machine shutdown when i tell it too
[08:35] <Pyraine> out of the box?
[08:35] <ogra> Pyraine: first lets see if something builtin works
[08:35] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: I get the same error as you, so it won't give me a total
[08:35] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: in #flood
[08:35] <nyktovus> when i go "shutdown" it go through the steps, but at the end i have to push the power button
[08:36] <SuperNewb> yea... always fo for included drivers first
[08:36] <Pyraine> maybe i should come back when i have ubuntu installed?
[08:36] <nyktovus> i think it has something to do with acpi
[08:36] <SuperNewb> haha... you havent installed it yet
[08:36] <ogra> Pyraine: oh, you havent yet ?
[08:36] <ogra> lol
[08:36] <Pyraine> i have
[08:36] <Pyraine> on my old harddrive
[08:36] <Pyraine> which is packed away
[08:36] <SuperNewb> ok?
[08:36] <SuperNewb> ahhh
[08:36] <SuperNewb> try the liveced
[08:36] <SuperNewb> maybe it will work
[08:36] <ogra> ok, we will nedd the system to check certain things
[08:36] <Pyraine> nah doesnt work for me
[08:36] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8486
[08:37] <SuperNewb> im tempted to try the livecd and put my modem in USB mode for a try
[08:37] <ogra> so you should come back then
[08:37] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: gaim 1.1 is in there
[08:37] <Pyraine> ok i will be back
[08:37] <SuperNewb> ogra... yea then we can go step by step
[08:37] <Pyraine> cya later
[08:37] <SuperNewb> whoops i mean pyraine
[08:37] <SuperNewb> cya
[08:37] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you're not pasting what I asked you to
[08:37] <SuperNewb> haha... all that and he hasnt installed it yet
[08:37] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: I've obviously already seen your apt-get output :)
[08:37] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: so what do I do with the link? =)
[08:38] <ogra> SuperNewb: american modems i know mostly work with the cdc-acm driver
[08:38] <ogra> SuperNewb: usb wise
[08:38] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: please see
[08:38] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: go into synaptic and add warty-backports to the repositories list
[08:39] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: thx =)
[08:39] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: no problem :)
[08:39] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: now how about burning audio cds? =)
[08:39] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: you only need to add the stable branch for gaim
[08:40] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: I don't have any experience with burning audio cds in ubuntu
[08:41] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: i see. Well what about firefox and xchat?
[08:41] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: well firefox and xchat should also be in the backports repository
[08:41] <SuperNewb> ogra - that is unwise of his company to provide a usb only modem
[08:41] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: I remember seeing firefox in there
[08:41] <SuperNewb> a ethernet card is what... 5-10bucks
[08:42] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: ya it is =P (now that i look)
[08:42] <ogra> its cheaper in production SuperNewb
[08:42] <SuperNewb> really?
[08:42] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: how about java?
[08:42] <SuperNewb> yea i suppose thats possible
[08:42] <ogra> less HW, smaller cases
[08:42] <ogra> less power
[08:42] <twisted_steel> StolenShoeBox: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#jre
[08:42] <SuperNewb> well in my experience is that going cheap on cable modems is no good
[08:42] <SuperNewb> ive had alot of problems with shit modems
[08:42] <SuperNewb> finally forced them to give me a good one
[08:43] <SuperNewb> they were at my house weekly
[08:43] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu#Java_1.5
[08:43] <StolenShoeBox> twisted_steel: thx!
[08:43] <SuperNewb> ogra
[08:43] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: there is a ubuntu package
[08:43] <SuperNewb> are nvidia drivers really included with ubuntu?
[08:44] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: huh? lol
[08:44] <ogra> SuperNewb: yep, not on the cd though
[08:44] <SuperNewb> ??
[08:44] <SuperNewb> what is the setup thing
[08:44] <ogra> SuperNewb: you get them from universe....
[08:44] <SuperNewb> equivalent of yast and you
[08:44] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: ahh i see will this install java for mozilla 2?
[08:44] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: yep
[08:45] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: awesome thx
[08:45] <tolstoy_> so, hoary evo exchange connector is broken (authentication)?
[08:45] <stuNNed> ogra, do you have ssh server installed on unstable?
[08:45] <ogra> SuperNewb: there is none... it are rather single apps, good integrated
[08:45] <SuperNewb> single apps...
[08:45] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: i updated to hoary and my resolution was stuck at soem thing liek 640x480 or soemthing
[08:45] <SuperNewb> ok... hmmm
[08:45] <ogra> stuNNed: nope, why ? probs ?
[08:45] <stuNNed> ogra,
[08:45] <Pyraine> this is odd
[08:45] <stuNNed> yes
[08:45] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: no oen knew how to fix it so I just reinstalled warty
[08:46] <Pyraine> it won't let me partition my harddrive
[08:46] <Pyraine> it says 'root file not found'
[08:46] <SuperNewb> hey pyraine is back
[08:46] <Pyraine> but i didn't do any of that 'RAID' stuff, because i didnt understand it
[08:46] <SuperNewb> hmmmm... what wont partition it
[08:46] <SuperNewb> ubuntu installer?
[08:46] <Pyraine> yes
[08:46] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: the X dev is on holidays currently.....if hes back this will get fixed soon i guess
[08:46] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: please see #flood!
[08:46] <stuNNed> ogra, everything looks correct but get connection refused and notice it's using dbus-launch so don't know if it's related
[08:46] <SuperNewb> shit that i dunno... i used windows to clear the drive... then let the installer auto format....
[08:47] <SuperNewb> does it let you create a root?
[08:47] <Pyraine> yeah i dont want to clear the drive
[08:47] <Pyraine> there isnt an option
[08:47] <stuNNed> ogra, think it used to work fine
[08:47] <Pyraine> if i wanted to clear the drive, it would work
[08:47] <SuperNewb> my only experience is with the fedora installer... sorry
[08:47] <stuNNed> ogra, and nothing in logs
[08:47] <Pyraine> i have another idea, be back soon
[08:47] <SuperNewb> hmmm... you said you had ubuntu on the drive already, correct?
[08:47] <SuperNewb> oh ok
[08:47] <ogra> stuNNed: i got no access to my hoary box currently... i will check it then....
[08:48] <stuNNed> ogra, that's great, thanks, i can file a bug report if you can confirm
[08:48] <stuNNed> ogra, /query me with results if you will so i don't loose it on scroll up
[08:48] <ogra> stuNNed: k
[08:49] <SuperNewb> is /query a PM?
[08:49] <stuNNed> yes
[08:49] <SuperNewb> i was tired of not getting a window using /pm
[08:49] <SuperNewb> thanks
[08:50] <da_bon_bon> anyone how can i improve totems video quality ?
[08:50] <SuperNewb> this is killing me... the earliest i can get ubuntu installed is next saturday
[08:50] <mjr> get better quality videos ;)
[08:50] <SuperNewb> da_bon is something bad about it
[08:50] <SuperNewb> usually video players render well enough
[08:51] <SuperNewb> my new video card actually has enhancements for videos... its awesome... and HD support
[08:52] <da_bon_bon> mjr: no the video quallitys good in windows...
[08:52] <ogra> da_bon_bon: do you use totem or totem-xine ?
[08:53] <SuperNewb> is it blurring?
[08:54] <da_bon_bon> ogra: totem-xine
[08:54] <ogra> da_bon_bon: hmm, looks good here
[08:54] <ogra> da_bon_bon: you could try vlc, its in universe....and has a mozilla plugin
[08:55] <Seq> ogra: mplayer and gxine both have mozilla plugins too. (though gxine's sucks)
[08:55] <SuperNewb> is it old
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> "hmm, looks good here" -> meaning?
[08:55] <ogra> Seq: mplayer is not installable anymore
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> Seq: mplayer doenst owrk
[08:56] <ogra> da_bon_bon: my videos have good quality in totem-xine ....
[08:56] <Seq> works for me, im just using a different repository as stated in the wiki
[08:56] <ApesMa> Instructions for installing Firefox 1.0 recommend uninstalling current firefox, but synaptic won't do that without also uninstalling ubuntu-desktop, which seems a bit extreme.  Is it safe to run the 1.0 installer w/o uninstalling the firefox version already in place?
[08:56] <ogra> Seq: which one ? lets update the wiki
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> ApesMa: try dpkg -i mozilla-*firefox
[08:56] <SuperNewb> ogra - could you elaborate, or show me where i can read about, how ubuntu doesnt need to use YaST or YOU type programs...
[08:57] <SuperNewb> is it more like windows in that they can install on their own?
[08:57] <ApesMa> da_bon_bon: Thanks! Will do.
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> Seq: can u please tell me now sothat i can install ?
[08:57] <Quest-Master> I hate YaST ><
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> ApesMa: try and tell me...
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: i like yat, i wish it were here in ubuntu...
[08:57] <SuperNewb> never used yast
[08:57] <ApesMa> da_bon_bon: I presume that entails sudo.
[08:57] <SuperNewb> all ive used is YUM
[08:57] <ogra> SuperNewb: there are single programs like synaptic, gnome-system-tolls etc
[08:57] <SuperNewb> and not very well
[08:57] <ogra> tools
[08:57] <Seq> ApesMa: thats if you're doing a manual install. upgrading though package management will remove the old version. also watch your profile though
[08:57] <Quest-Master> Synaptic is much better
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> ApesMa: yes. or u can try 'root terminal'
[08:57] <SuperNewb> ok
[08:57] <Quest-Master> YaST is yuck. x_x
[08:58] <SuperNewb> but would i use it like i used YUM?
[08:58] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Did you have Suse Personal or Professional?
[08:58] <Seq> let me find which repository it is in. i seriously just copied the instructions from the wiki
[08:58] <Quest-Master> SuperNewb: apt-get > YUM :)
[08:58] <Seq> are you guys running warty or hoary
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> Seq: can u please tell me new repo to install mplayer?
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: personal 9.1
[08:58] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Don't
[08:58] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Install it from source
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: why?
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: why?
[08:58] <SuperNewb> apt-get is the YUM equivalent... got it
[08:58] <Quest-Master> The repos. mplayer is messed up.
[08:58] <SuperNewb> so synaptic is for installing
[08:59] <Quest-Master> No
[08:59] <da_bon_bon> seq has a new repo from which he does it...
[08:59] <SuperNewb> because yum downloaded and installed apps i though
[08:59] <Quest-Master> Synaptic is a visual way of apt-get
[08:59] <ogra> Seq: from restricted formats?
[08:59] <Quest-Master> apt-get is just like yum
[08:59] <SuperNewb> ok how do you install the .deb packages
[08:59] <Quest-Master> Like this: sudo apt-get install python
[08:59] <Quest-Master> That's it.
[08:59] <SuperNewb> shit is there like s debian book
[08:59] <Quest-Master> It installs everything for you
[08:59] <Seq> da_bon_bon, ogra: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:59] <SuperNewb> ok
[08:59] <Quest-Master> All you do is apt-get install, and it does everything for you
[08:59] <Quest-Master> Not very difficult
[08:59] <Seq> da_bon_bon, ogra: thats where i got the repository from
[09:00] <ogra> Seq: i wrote half of this wiki ;)
[09:00] <SuperNewb> so synaptic is just like YUM was... but better
[09:00] <SuperNewb> ok
[09:00] <Seq> ogra: and it works very well.
[09:00] <Quest-Master> I wouldn't trust the repos. MPlayer
[09:00] <SuperNewb> im just trying to see what will do the same things i did in fedora
[09:00] <ogra> Seq: not anymore
[09:00] <Quest-Master> It broke my Ubuntu, I had to reinstall.
[09:00] <ogra> Seq: when did you install mplayer ?
[09:00] <Quest-Master> SuperNewb: Any other questions?
[09:00] <Seq> ogra: two or three weeks ago
[09:01] <SuperNewb> does ubuntu have a system restore type app?
[09:01] <ogra> Seq: marillat has recompiled the packages with new dependencys
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> Seq: please post your sources.list on #flood ?
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: even i am searchin for one.
[09:01] <ogra> da_bon_bon: he used marillat back when it worked
[09:01] <usual> cool gimp 2.2 is in hoary
[09:01] <Seq> ogra: his are targeted at debian unstable directly, arn't they?
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> ogra: oh. so now i install from source?
[09:01] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Very easy
[09:01] <SuperNewb> whats universal?
[09:01] <Quest-Master> Download the .tar.gz
[09:02] <SuperNewb> a repo?
[09:02] <Quest-Master> You mean universe, SuperNewb
[09:02] <SuperNewb> yea universe
[09:02] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: untar the .tar.gz
[09:02] <ogra> Seq: there have gotten some new packages into sarge....which wont go to warty
[09:02] <Quest-Master> Go in the terminal, da_bon_bon
[09:02] <SuperNewb> what is it
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: i need to download the codecs and fonts too, right ?
[09:02] <punkrockguy318> how can I get coaster for warty?
[09:02] <Quest-Master> And type this in: ./configure, make, make install
[09:02] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: yes. Install those first.
[09:02] <ogra> da_bon_bon: add a deb-src line for marillat, then compile a debian package .... its quite easy
[09:03] <Quest-Master> Supernewb: It is a place where you can get programs from
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> ogra: how ?
[09:03] <SuperNewb> a repository right
[09:03] <Quest-Master> You can do what ogra said too
[09:03] <Quest-Master> SuperNewb: yes
[09:03] <Seq> ogra: what if you install an older version from his repo manually
[09:03] <ogra> da_bon_bon: i dunno the deb-src line, lets see
[09:03] <Seq> ogra: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[09:03] <SuperNewb> hey ogra - that site shows you how to install the nvidia drivers?  does installing the drivers automatically add 3d-acceleration?
[09:03] <Seq> ogra: there is the older ones, including the one im using there.
[09:04] <ogra> SuperNewb: yep
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: is vlc better than mplayer?
[09:04] <SuperNewb> awesome
[09:04] <SuperNewb> i read that enabling 3d-acceleration was like a quest for the holy grail
[09:04] <SuperNewb> now im less worried
[09:04] <Agrajag> SuperNewb: if you have ATi it's not as easy
[09:05] <Agrajag> gotta love nvidia for one thing: drivers that don't suck
[09:05] <ogra> SuperNewb: these are official packages, they work well on warty
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> ogra: please tell me - do i downloadthe .tar.gz ?
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: is vlc better than mplayer?
[09:05] <SuperNewb> nvidia 6800gt
[09:05] <ogra> Agrajag: ati is as easy as nvidia in ubuntu
[09:05] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Not really
[09:05] <SuperNewb> yea i knew about Ati's linux shortcomings so i chose wisely
[09:05] <ogra> da_bon_bon: nope...let me find a deb-src line
[09:05] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: MPlayer can play just about everything.. and it has a plugin for Mozilla so you can stream online stuff
[09:06] <SuperNewb> but ati drivers still suck though
[09:06] <Dupke> when i try to access my windows2000 server i get a dialog that i don't have the right permissions, how can i login with a username and password to this computer??
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: but the codecs are 8.9 MB!!!
[09:06] <SuperNewb> from what ive read they are really lagging in making decent linux drivers
[09:06] <punkrockguy318> is gnome coaster in the hoary repo?
[09:06] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: It's not that bad. Trust me. ;)
[09:07] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Do this too.. sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[09:07] <Seq> ogra: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/mplayer-586_1.0-pre5-0.9_i386.deb
[09:07] <ogra> da_bon_bon: paste this in your sources.list, then run apt-get update : deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: thats 11 MB... better than that i wil ljust stick to totem
[09:07] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: 11MB is really nothing. Why are you worried?
[09:07] <Seq> ogra: the timestamp in that is from dec 5, and thats the version i have installed (i cant see him recompiling with new deps without changing the package revision)
[09:07] <ogra> Seq: there are dependencys...that can get hard.....
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: i have a monthly download limit of 100 mb only...
[09:08] <Arricka> how do I adjust my computer so that I can run in more resolutions? right now when I try and change resolution I only have 1024x768 and a couple of others
[09:08] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Oh.. that sucks
[09:08] <ApesMa> Ah... Google is my friend. I found the backports page and will investigate that further. Mele Kalikimaka, everyone.
[09:08] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Stick to totem-xine then
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: so, can i improve it quality, or no?
[09:08] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Remove totem
[09:09] <punkrockguy318> where can I find a hoary package list?
[09:09] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Install gxine.. sudo apt-get install gxine
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: and then how do i play videos?
[09:09] <Quest-Master> gxine is much better, da_bon_bon
[09:09] <SuperNewb> why is it that everythign in linux looks so big
[09:09] <Quest-Master> SuperNewb: What is your resolution?
[09:09] <SuperNewb> 1024x768 on linux has much more usable space than on windows at same resolution
[09:09] <ogra> heh
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: and i completely remove totem-xine? cant i jsut let it remain ?
[09:09] <Quest-Master> I use 1280x1024.. maximum of my monitor
[09:09] <Quest-Master> Well
[09:10] <Seq> ogra: would this work: apt-get install mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre5-0.9
[09:10] <Quest-Master> I'd remove totem-xine da_bon_bon
[09:10] <SuperNewb> i had to bump up the resolution to get an equal amount of space
[09:10] <Quest-Master> It'll just eat your space
[09:10] <Quest-Master> You don't need it once you have gxine
[09:10] <ogra> Seq: hmm, let me try
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: hey gxine is just 400kb NIICE.
[09:10] <Quest-Master> :)
[09:10] <SuperNewb> yea 1280x1024 is what i had to bump it to i think
[09:10] <Arricka> I want to change the resolution from 1024 to something higher, but it's not listed as an option. how do I add more resolutions to the list? My video card can handle it
[09:10] <SuperNewb> 12xx x xxx
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: but do totem-xine and gxine interfere with each other?
[09:10] <usual> the gnome build in hoary is only 3 days old :)
[09:10] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: No, but I'd still totem-xine since it is useless
[09:11] <punkrockguy318>  usual where can I find a pkglist for hoary?
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: ok.
[09:11] <usual> punkrockguy318, it pretty much follows with debian sid
[09:11] <punkrockguy318> usual, oh
[09:11] <punkrockguy318> usual, does it include coaster?
[09:11] <usual> punkrockguy318, so you could prob go to debian.org and search unstable packages
[09:11] <blokje> somebody knows where i can find xfce4.2 debs for ubuntu (hoary)
[09:11] <usual> punkrockguy318, no :(
[09:11] <punkrockguy318> usual, aww... that's a shame
[09:12] <usual> punkrockguy318, use apt-cache search blah to search for packages
[09:12] <punkrockguy318> usual, yeah, but i'm running warty
[09:13] <crimsun> blokje: there are none yet, but Benny M. maintains some for i386 at http://www.os-cillation.de/debian
[09:13] <crimsun> carajean: I know absolutely nothing regarding WoW, sorry
[09:13] <blokje> crimsun: I know.. but i'm a 64bits monkey :)
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> is it possible to install k3b ?
[09:14] <crimsun> blokje: etorix maintains the amd64 ports of said i386 debs.
[09:14] <SuperNewb> etorix?
[09:14] <SuperNewb> 64bit is the future... start embracing it now!
[09:15] <SuperNewb> hey... what do you guys think the true numbers are
[09:15] <SuperNewb> the true percentage for windows to linux users
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: i will embrace it when someone gives me a processor, and i can get rid of my pIII :)
[09:15] <SuperNewb> dual boot included as linux
[09:15] <ogra> da_bon_bon: whats wrong with pIII
[09:15] <SuperNewb> you believe linux is really only 5%
[09:16] <ogra> da_bon_bon: other then that its not ppc ?
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> ogra: SuperNewb told everyone to embrace 64bit, thats why ...
[09:16] <SuperNewb> i love microsoft... they amuse me
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> ogra: u have ppc ?
[09:16] <SuperNewb> ppc?
[09:16] <SuperNewb> power pc
[09:16] <ogra> da_bon_bon: both....i386 and ppc
[09:16] <SuperNewb> i always assumed those were macs
[09:16] <ogra> SuperNewb: yep
[09:16] <SuperNewb> they arent macs are they
[09:16] <ogra> they are
[09:17] <SuperNewb> oh... you answered too soon... didnt think you were replying to that
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: suddenly, totem-xines quality seems to have improved.
[09:17] <SuperNewb> da_bon... what did you do
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> ogra: u ahve a i386 o_o ?? or a i686?
[09:17] <SuperNewb> put your glasses on?
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: eyes wide with surprise...
[09:17] <SuperNewb> whats an amd64
[09:17] <ogra> da_bon_bon: i686
[09:17] <SuperNewb> ix86
[09:18] <SuperNewb> i586?
[09:18] <SuperNewb> i never understood that shit
[09:18] <ogra> SuperNewb: amd64 is a 64 bit cpu
[09:18] <SuperNewb> yea i know
[09:18] <SuperNewb> but is there an ixxx for it
[09:18] <ogra> SuperNewb: ix86 (where x can be 3,4,5 or 6) is 32 bit
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> ahhh. totem-xine works and everything fine. i wisk i could 'apt-get remove --purge windowsxp'
[09:18] <SuperNewb> i have an amd64... i mean it i386, i586, i686 shit
[09:18] <SuperNewb> oh....
[09:19] <Seq> we're supposed to standarly call it x86-64 , since intel's 64 bit chips will be compatable, and obviously not called amd64
[09:19] <SuperNewb> so just x86_64
[09:19] <SuperNewb> ok
[09:19] <ogra> SuperNewb: you got a xeon ?
[09:19] <SuperNewb> hell no!
[09:19] <SuperNewb> i hate intel
[09:20] <SuperNewb> they just dont have their priorities right IMO
[09:20] <ogra> SuperNewb athlon 64 then
[09:20] <SuperNewb> yup
[09:20] <ogra> thats amd64
[09:20] <SuperNewb>  amd 64 3200DTR
[09:20] <SuperNewb> athlong64 works too
[09:20] <SuperNewb> amd athlon 64
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> when will ubuntu be a _really well-known_ distro? i mean u find binaries for all linuxes but ntot ubuntu :(:(
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> when will ubuntu be a _really well-known_ distro? i mean u find binaries for all linuxes but ntot ubuntu :(:(
[09:21] <SuperNewb> 4 years?
[09:21] <mjg59> da_bon_bon: Please don't repeat questions
[09:21] <mjg59> Most Debian binaries will work fine on ubuntu
[09:21] <SuperNewb> it seems that it will take a few years for distros to become a top known one
[09:21] <SuperNewb> they have to prove themselves by staying around for a while
[09:21] <ogra> da_bon_bon: same goes for debian, thats because most stuff is already in the repos
[09:21] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: Ubuntu is already a very visible (high-profile) distro due simply because of its strong Debian background.
[09:21] <da_bon_bon> mjg59: which question did i repeat??
 when will ubuntu be a _really well-known_ distro? i mean u find binaries for all linuxes but ntot ubuntu :(:(
 when will ubuntu be a _really well-known_ distro? i mean u find binaries for all linuxes but ntot ubuntu :(:(
[09:22] <SuperNewb> whoops
[09:22] <ogra> da_bon_bon: read upwards :)
[09:22] <gwildor> da_bon_bon, you always doulbe post
[09:22] <SuperNewb> i didnt think it would do that dor me too
[09:22] <gwildor> err, sometimes
[09:22] <SuperNewb> gwildor... does he
[09:22] <SuperNewb> ok because thats the first ive seen
[09:22] <ogra> gwildor: small G ??
[09:22] <ApesMa> Ack. The advice on the backports page (http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/) is not working (at least at the moment). synaptic doesn't find the stuff on the site. I double checked that I typed the added line as shown on the page. Lookint at http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/universe/binary-i386 I see packages.  Is someone here using warty-backports successfully?
[09:22] <Seq> ogra: did that mplayer work?
[09:22] <da_bon_bon> gwildor: problem is, that i got disconnected, and thot that the post hadnt been done.
[09:22] <da_bon_bon> so please all pardon me...
[09:22] <ogra> Seq: oh, sorry, nope didnt
[09:22] <gwildor> ogra, thnx....didnt notice that
[09:22] <Seq> crap. what error did you get?
[09:22] <SuperNewb> ogra - when i install ubuntu... will i have to configure synaptic like i had to for yum?
[09:23] <Seq> or did it install fine and just not work
[09:23] <ogra> SuperNewb: easier
[09:23] <SuperNewb> or will it have a working config file with up to date links to repos
[09:23] <Arricka> so how do I rerun the base configuration so I can run in more resolutions?
[09:23] <mjg59> Arricka: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:23] <Arricka> thanks
[09:23] <SuperNewb> crossover office isnt free is it
[09:23] <ogra> Seq: nope, apt didnt like the version... i'll test it later if i'm not chatting .....
[09:23] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i am finding that more and more people are liking ubuntu... i mean i got FC3 for $3.5 (INR 235) and ubuntu i got _absolutely_ free and i like ubuntu i unuinstalled FC3 for that purpose..
[09:24] <SuperNewb> point2play is not just for games is it?
[09:24] <Seq> ogra: im assuming you had that repo in your sources.list? solutions are never that easy :p
[09:24] <ApesMa> Seq: "Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_warty-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) -stat (2 No such file or directory)
[09:24] <ogra> Seq: sure
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> i heard that gentoo takes 2-3 days to install... is it true??
[09:24] <Seq> ApesMa: pretty?
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> can someone please explain me what backports are?
[09:25] <kebac> has anyone used canon a80 or similar with linux?
[09:25] <ogra> da_bon_bon: there are precompiled binarys for gentoo
[09:25] <ApesMa> Seq: Sorry, not sure what you're asking.
[09:25] <ogra> da_bon_bon: so it must not take 3 days
[09:25] <Seq> ApesMa: i wasnt sure what you were asking me first
[09:25] <ogra> da_bon_bon: but if you compile _everything_ ;)
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> ogra: must not take 3 days?? for what ?
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> ogra: oh ok i undrestand..
[09:25] <Seq> if you use the binary packages, its not that long
[09:26] <ApesMa> Seq: Sorry; you were probably talking to someone else.
[09:26] <Seq> but if you're doing it entirely from source it takes a very, very long time to have a full desktop
[09:26] <Se7h> x-mas is coming to you, have you asked santa your ubuntu cd?
[09:26] <Se7h> ;P
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[09:26] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: it doesn't take that long to install
[09:26] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: even with compiling everything
[09:26] <da_bon_bon> who from here has tried gentoo and liked it enough to make it their main distro ?
[09:27] <ApesMa> Seq: thought you had asked me for the error message I got when I tried to use warty-backports w/synaptic.
[09:27] <ogra> twisted_steel: depends on your cpu ;)
[09:27] <Seq> da_bon_bon: me ;)
[09:27] <Seq> ApesMa: no, i was asking ogra for errors with mplayer :P sorry
[09:27] <SuperNewb> what bootloader is better
[09:27] <da_bon_bon> Seq: how many distros have u installed?
[09:27] <SuperNewb> GRUB or LILO
[09:27] <twisted_steel> ogra: that's true, I wouldn't want to try it on a p1
[09:27] <ogra> SuperNewb: grub of yourse
[09:28] <ogra> twisted_steel: imagine 486 ;)
[09:28] <Seq> da_bon_bon: im using ubuntu on my laptop and now on my server (was debian woody), and gentoo on my desktop
[09:28] <SuperNewb> well i figured that as most installers use it... but i wasnt sure why lilo still exists then
[09:28] <da_bon_bon> Seq: ok
[09:28] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel: u run which distro ?
[09:28] <ApesMa> da_bon_bon: I use gentoo. Tried FC3 recently, and I am not happy--gnome-cd behaves strangely, and it doesn't work and play well with the VIA sound driver on a mobo I'm using.
[09:28] <SuperNewb> is linux in a nutshell the best book
[09:28] <Seq> i've been using gentoo for quite a while on the desktop, but i usually wipe my laptop between semesters at school and decided to go with ubuntu this time
[09:28] <SuperNewb> the only book i have is linux complete... from 1999
[09:29] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: I used to have gentoo on my desktop, but wanted to try out ubuntu on it before I put in on my laptop
[09:29] <da_bon_bon> ApesMa: does gentoo have better device support than other distros?
[09:29] <acetech> is ubuntu essentially debian?
[09:29] <da_bon_bon> most people here have a pc and a laptop, i see...
[09:29] <ApesMa> da_bon_bon: I don't know enough to have an informed opinion on that.
[09:29] <Seq> da_bon_bon: all distros are linux. that said, ubuntu is pretty easy because it has all the fancy-shmancy udev stuff by default
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[09:30] <_iKe_> hi
[09:30] <SuperNewb> shhh.. everyone pretend you didnt hear him
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> Seq: what, essentially, is udev?
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: who?
[09:30] <Seq> da_bon_bon: but the device support itself should be pretty much exactly the same
[09:30] <ApesMa> I'm toying with switching from gentoo. The day-long compiles for KDE are getting old.
[09:30] <SuperNewb> ike... it was a joke... forget it
[09:31] <SuperNewb> anyone have any linux books that they would liek to suggest
[09:31] <SuperNewb> i would liek to not have to pick your brains for everything
[09:31] <acetech> what would be advantages/disadvantages of switching from debian to ubuntu?
[09:31] <_iKe_> :?
[09:31] <SuperNewb> and i need somethign to read while im at work that wont hurt my eyes anymore
[09:31] <da_bon_bon> Seq: what does udev do? what is it ?
[09:31] <punkrockguy318> acetech, ubuntu is more stable
[09:31] <Seq> da_bon_bon: its just a way of automatically creating device files, much like devfs was before. thats not important though, the cool part is that it allows for hal and dbus, and actual system interaction when plugging in a camera, for example
[09:31] <punkrockguy318> acetech, it nicely polished
[09:31] <acetech> SuperNewb, the library has alot of nix books
[09:32] <SuperNewb> ike i was talking to da_bon_bon... not u... but i was talking abotu you
[09:32] <ogra> acetech: a stable system with security updates ?
[09:32] <SuperNewb> but i nut a nux books
[09:32] <ApesMa> SuperNewb: Linux books are starting to be like those books you used to see "Internet Yellow Pages." They're out of date by the time they're on the shelves.
[09:32] <acetech> is there more packages in ubuntu?
[09:32] <ogra> acetech: nope, same amount
[09:32] <punkrockguy318> acetech, nope, the same amount
[09:32] <da_bon_bon> acetech: use synaptic
[09:32] <SuperNewb> well yea... but there ought to be one that is good enough...
[09:33] <_iKe_> i just installed a softmodem (Conexant) on ubuntu, i hear the modem dial but i can't get on the internet, can anybody help me or should i just try every possible configuration?
[09:33] <acetech> do i just need to change sources.list to switch over?
[09:33] <punkrockguy318> acetech, i don't know how smooth that would work
[09:33] <GotD0t> im in hoary, and the window list shows everything very small... instead of having them stretch to the entire width
[09:34] <ogra> SuperNewb: the prob is that lots of ppl here speak different langs.... i didnt read a english book back then when i started with linux
[09:34] <ApesMa> da_bon_bon: Another thing that's bugging the heck out of me lately about gentoo is having emakes interrupted by not finding some tar.{bz2, gz} that I have to go find manually so the emerge can proceed.
[09:34] <Seq> GotD0t: the workaround im doing is right-clicking on the task list, and increasing the minimum size to just fill the panel
[09:34] <ApesMa> Ooops...s/emake/emerge/ :)
[09:34] <ogra> SuperNewb: and i dont know how good your german is ;)
[09:34] <SuperNewb> nonexistant
[09:34] <Seq> ApesMa: really? of what packages
[09:35] <da_bon_bon> ApesMa: i have heard problems about emrge lately...
[09:35] <ogra> GotD0t: someone wanted to file a bug about this yesterday.....look if its there, else file one
[09:35] <da_bon_bon> Seq: how does udev make a difference for me - the end user ?
[09:35] <acetech> anyone know some good sites to read about transgaming with apt-get?
[09:35] <GotD0t> ogra: thanks
[09:35] <ogra> SuperNewb: heh
[09:35] <SuperNewb> ogra - what about this http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131488724/002-0239276-7817614?v=glance&s=books
[09:35] <Seq> da_bon_bon: you plug in a camera, and gnome asks you if you'd like to import those photos
[09:35] <ApesMa> Seq: ack. I'm in OK visiting relatives; would need to do "history | grep emerge" up in Iowa to remind myself. Sorry.
[09:35] <ogra> GotD0t: welcome.....merry xmas
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> Seq: oh. so it was not earlier possible?
[09:36] <ogra> lol
[09:36] <ogra> sorry
[09:36] <GotD0t> dont worry bout it
[09:36] <Seq> da_bon_bon: well you could have stuff auto mount when detected, but it wasn't easy to have specific things happen for specific kinds of devices
[09:36] <ogra> GotD0t: so have a nice evening at least ;)
[09:36] <SuperNewb> i wasnt so serious abotu that book.... looked neat though... doesnt look serious though
[09:37] <GotD0t> ogra: oh i will, going over to some friends house for their christmas dinner... then to a movie probably... best night of the year to go to the movies
[09:37] <ogra> SuperNewb: yep, thats what i thought too
[09:37] <SuperNewb> the linux cookbook was published last month
[09:37] <SuperNewb> its an oreilly
[09:37] <da_bon_bon> Seq: but, gxine doest detect my cdrom drive - udev creates device nodes as and when wanted - is that hte problem ?
[09:37] <ogra> GotD0t: empty cinemas heh
[09:37] <Seq> da_bon_bon: no, it creates them when devices are connected
[09:38] <SuperNewb> screw books...
[09:38] <Seq> da_bon_bon: if its not detecting your cd drive, it's looking for the wrong device file.
[09:38] <ogra> SuperNewb: sounds good... normally orilley stands for quality OSS wise
[09:38] <da_bon_bon> Seq: oh, then why doesnt gxine detect my cd drive?
[09:38] <Seq> da_bon_bon: gxine doesn't use hal, so its not automagical
[09:38] <SuperNewb> yea but the cookbook seems for IT based
[09:38] <SuperNewb> i want for desktop use...
[09:38] <da_bon_bon> Seq: i ahve created the proper symlinks.
[09:38] <Seq> da_bon_bon: you still have to tell it where your cdrom is
[09:38] <SuperNewb> the linux in a nutshell looked good
[09:39] <da_bon_bon> Seq: how ?
[09:39] <Seq> da_bon_bon: are there preferences?
[09:39] <da_bon_bon> do we have any books on ubuntu ?
[09:39] <ogra> SuperNewb: i think its a good start ( linux in a nutshell)
[09:39] <da_bon_bon> Seq: yes
[09:39] <ogra> da_bon_bon: ubuntu exists since october......
[09:39] <ogra> da_bon_bon: ... its hard to write  book in 3 months
[09:39] <SuperNewb> theres a debian bible
[09:40] <Seq> da_bon_bon: under the 'gui' in preferences, set the experience to advanced
[09:40] <Seq> da_bon_bon: then go to the input tab
[09:40] <SuperNewb> theres a linux for dummys book coming out next month
[09:40] <da_bon_bon> Seq: theres 'no' gui in preferences
[09:40] <ogra> SuperNewb: do you feel like a dummy ?
[09:40] <Seq> da_bon_bon: you said gxine, right?
[09:41] <da_bon_bon> Seq: yes.
[09:41] <da_bon_bon> Seq: anyway, tell me what to do in input
[09:41] <Seq> there are device listings, just make sure they're pointing at the right devices
[09:41] <SuperNewb> linux bible 2005 looks cool...
[09:41] <ogra> SuperNewb: sounds good
[09:42] <Seq> da_bon_bon: actually, also make sure that you are in the appropriate group to access your cdrom
[09:42] <da_bon_bon> Seq: i ahve proper groups.
[09:43] <da_bon_bon> linux bible 2005 has SOOOO many distros
[09:44] <SuperNewb> ogra - indeed i do
[09:44] <SuperNewb> it comes with like 6 distros on the dvd
[09:45] <SuperNewb> ncludes Fedora Core 3, Debian Linux, SUSE Linux, Knoppix, Gentoo Linux, Slackware Linux, Mandrake Linux, Damn Small Linux, and a Linux firewall and router on DVD
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> SuperNewb: ooo i wish i had a dvd drive.
[09:45] <ogra> SuperNewb: nobody should  feel like a dummy ..... we all have started with linux once..... we all once were new :)
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> thats 8 distros.
[09:45] <SuperNewb> yup... not a bad selection either....
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> hey how can they fit so many distros on a single dvd ?
[09:46] <da_bon_bon> no ways - they might be incomplete or something.
[09:46] <SuperNewb> well its probably double layered
[09:46] <SuperNewb> which is like 8.5 gigs
[09:46] <da_bon_bon> then can it be read by all dvd rives?
[09:46] <SuperNewb> whats a gig... 1024 megs?
[09:46] <SuperNewb> yea it can
[09:46] <Seq> da_bon_bon: the dvd specification includes dual-layered discs
[09:47] <SuperNewb> they just require special drives for burning
[09:47] <SuperNewb> so i can burn them which sucks.... need a new dvd burner
[09:47] <SuperNewb> a dual layer dvd is like what 12 cds
[09:47] <calc> couldn't fit that many dists even on a dual layer disc
[09:47] <SuperNewb> seq... how many megs is a gig
[09:47] <SuperNewb> 1024?
[09:47] <calc> fedora core 3 takes ~ 2.1GB, debian takes ~ 8GB, knoppix 700MB, etc
[09:48] <Seq> SuperNewb: yes
[09:48] <SuperNewb> debian takes 8 gigs?
[09:48] <SuperNewb> wtf
[09:48] <Dupke> can someone please help me mounting a share from my win2000 server
[09:48] <da_bon_bon> even 8.5 wont be enough -> FC3 -> 3CD; Debian -> 3-7CDs; Suse -> 2-3CDs; Knoppix -> 1CD; Gentoo -> 2CDs; slack->3CDs; mand -> 3CD; DSL -> 70MB
[09:48] <SuperNewb> thats ridiculous
[09:48] <calc> 1 GB (ieee) is 10^9, 1 GiB (ieee) is 2^30, 1 GB real computer is 2^30
[09:48] <SuperNewb> overkill
[09:48] <da_bon_bon> NO WAY!!!
[09:48] <Agrajag> SuperNewb: for every package
[09:48] <Seq> SuperNewb: yes, until recently, dvd drives could only burn a single layer
[09:48] <calc> da_bon_bon: and that is old debian, new debian is on more than 17 cd aiui
[09:49] <SuperNewb> thats friggin disgusting
[09:49] <Seq> calc: they wouldnt include the entire debian repository, im sure
[09:49] <SuperNewb> you dont need that many apps...
[09:49] <Agrajag> SuperNewb: how so?
[09:49] <Agrajag> You don't, but someone will
[09:49] <calc> Seq: yea perhaps just a netinst image ;)
[09:49] <da_bon_bon> calc: new debian is more than 17 CDS????
[09:49] <SuperNewb> 17cds sounds like a whole repository
[09:49] <Agrajag> SuperNewb: it is, I just said so
[09:49] <calc> the whole repo is over 100GB
[09:49] <da_bon_bon> calc: not netinst..
[09:49] <calc> its roughly 8-12GB per arch
[09:49] <SuperNewb> someone said the opposite
[09:50] <Seq> calc: i'd assume they'd include packages to cover a regular gui-based system with some office tools and a web browser or something
[09:50] <calc> da_bon_bon: ok
[09:50] <da_bon_bon> hey is a sarge DVD available for 2$ worth buying?
[09:50] <SuperNewb> well yea... of course they didnt feel the need for every package for every distro...
[09:50] <Seq> calc: beyond that, it should really assume you have an internet connection.
[09:50] <SuperNewb> it would include the distros and basic apps... like whatever the main install cd had on it
[09:50] <Seq> da_bon_bon: it would be out of date by the time it was mailed
[09:50] <calc> oh apparently i386 is only 14 cds so far
[09:50] <nishin> any ideas why "apt-get (dist-)upgrade" halts at Preconfiguring packages ...?
[09:50] <fcomtois> can anybody give me a server address where i can download mplayer ?
[09:50] <Seq> wait, sarge, nm
[09:50] <calc> http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/
[09:51] <miausX> hi! :)
[09:51] <SuperNewb> bye1
[09:51] <SuperNewb> !
[09:51] <da_bon_bon> Seq: available with a magazine
[09:51] <mroth> does anyone else have the thing where gnome-window-list on the bottom panel ignores maximum size and stays tiny no matter how many windows you add?
[09:51] <SuperNewb> i will never say hi when i join again
[09:51] <SuperNewb> i never realized how annoying it can be
[09:51] <calc> Seq: yea probably just includes disc 1 of debian, that might be possible to fit everything onto one dl-dvd then
[09:51] <heero17> :)
[09:51] <ozan> hello, how can i change the profile of mozilla?
[09:51] <SuperNewb> calc - definitely...
[09:51] <heero17> somebody has use hurd?
[09:52] <SuperNewb> a dual layer dvd can hold like 12 cds i think
[09:52] <miausX> SuperNewb, uh?
[09:52] <da_bon_bon> i wanna know how hurd is?
[09:52] <calc> SuperNewb: yep
[09:52] <Seq> calc: a basic debian system install disc could probably be made to fit on the inside of 1 gig (including pretty gui stuff)
[09:52] <SuperNewb> no offense miaus... nothing personal... its just odd to have someone pop in and say hi in the middle of a convo
[09:52] <lifeless> hurd is interesting, last time I used it X still wasn't working, but I think that is solved now.
[09:52] <Seq> calc: if they wanted to
[09:52] <calc> of course dl-dvd are still very expensive to burn so isn't really worth using
[09:52] <Dupke> what does: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //deoderver/muziek,
[09:52] <Dupke>        or too many mounted file systems mean???
[09:53] <SuperNewb> damn i thought debian was a minimalist distro
[09:53] <SuperNewb> what a mistake that was
[09:53] <DeepSpaceAnt> SuperNewb: It never was - was it
[09:53] <Seq> SuperNewb: it can be. it can be whatever you want it to be. it just has alot of optional packages
[09:53] <SuperNewb> well i thought it was one...
[09:53] <calc> heh debian has nearly every floss package available that is actually free
[09:53] <SuperNewb> well yea so does fedora
[09:53] <miausX> SuperNewb, oh, excuse me... no prob :)
[09:53] <lifeless> a base debian install will run out of a 128MB flash card.
[09:53] <SuperNewb> i found that they were all worthless
[09:53] <lifeless> with full routing software & the like.
[09:53] <SuperNewb> with broadband i can just go and download whatever i want
[09:54] <lifeless> its all the gui shtick that takes up space.
[09:54] <SuperNewb> schtick*
[09:54] <calc> yep kde alone takes nearly a cd
[09:54] <SuperNewb> is kde that bad>?
[09:54] <Arricka> okay...I messed up when reconfiguring xfree86 so it could run in more resolutions, although all I did was pretty much press enter throughout the entire thing
[09:54] <SuperNewb> why so... gnome doesnt require that much right
[09:54] <calc> kde's i18n alone is nearly 200MB last i looked
[09:54] <calc> SuperNewb: gnome probably is roughly the same size for the entire official gnome
[09:55] <Arricka> anyway, now xfree86 won't run at all after I've rebooted....what was the command to reconfigure it again?
[09:55] <da_bon_bon> ok guys bye. have a merry xmas...
[09:55] <miausX> calc, well, I like debian kde... you know, apt-get install kdebase :)
[09:55] <twisted_steel> da_bon_bon: bye
[09:55] <calc> miausX: yea
[09:55] <Seq> da_bon_bon: have a happy non-denominational holiday wish yourself, too.
[09:55] <miausX> I can't do apt-get install gnomebase or something similar :)
[09:55] <calc> miausX: sure you can
[09:56] <calc> apt-get install gnome-core
[09:56] <da_bon_bon> twisted_steel, Seq: bye. :)
[09:56] <miausX> calc, oh! I don't know that! thanks :D
[09:56] <calc> kdebase isn't analogous to that though, kde-core is
[09:56] <miausX> aha, oks :)
[09:56] <calc> kdebase is just a metapackage that depends on all the parts of kdebase i broke out of the source
[09:57] <miausX> hum, I see
[09:57] <calc> kde-core depends on arts, kdelibs, kdebase
[09:57] <Arricka> so what's the comand to reconfigure xfree86?
[09:57] <stonecolddsl> I have a question
[09:57] <miausX> calc, so, with gnome-core I will have a minimal gnome?
[09:57] <SuperNewb> we all have questions
[09:57] <Gwildor> is is a terrible idea to remove gnome?
[09:57] <calc> miausX: yes
[09:57] <stonecolddsl> how different is the live cd from te install cd?
[09:57] <miausX> Gwildor, I don't think so
[09:58] <SuperNewb> anyone know what slipstreamign is?
[09:58] <Arricka> is there a command to run the xfree86 autoconfigure-er like the installation did?
[09:58] <stonecolddsl> slipstreaming is usually reffered to windows nt
[09:58] <calc> i actually created kde-core after gnome-core was already around so kde users would have a similiar way to install a minimal kde
[09:58] <Arricka> I really want everything as it was, except I want to be able to run in some different resolutions
[09:58] <SuperNewb> correction, windows in general
[09:59] <SuperNewb> windows xp can be slipstreamed too
[09:59] <miausX> calc, oh, thank you! :)
[09:59] <calc> np :)
[09:59] <SuperNewb> i have a slipstream of it... called windows nemesis 2.0
[09:59] <stonecolddsl> like i can slipstream the XP service pack two into the orginal xp install media and make a new disc that will install xp but already hve all the sp2 updates
[09:59] <Gwildor> Arricka, i think it is  base-config
[09:59] <calc> miausX: btw some people are working on a kubuntu as well
[09:59] <SuperNewb> yea... im trying to figure out how to do that with linux
[10:00] <SuperNewb> i want to make it install xmms-mp3, ffmpeg and a few other apps automatically
[10:00] <miausX> calc, hum... an "unnofficial" ubuntu with kde... :)
[10:00] <SuperNewb> so i suppose i want to know how to make my own distro... because i know that's what most distros are... just a distro tailored to a specific need
[10:00] <SuperNewb> anyone know a tutorial for that
[10:01] <fcomtois> can anybody give me a server address where i can download mplayer ?
[10:01] <miausX> SuperNewb, do you know PCLinuxOS?
[10:01] <SuperNewb> linuxfromscratch.org.?
[10:02] <SuperNewb> ive heard of pclinuxos
[10:02] <SuperNewb> heard it was evil
[10:02] <miausX> SuperNewb, no no, PCLinuxOS (pclos for short) it's a mandrake based distribution :)
[10:02] <SuperNewb> that it cant detect hardware to save its life
[10:02] <SuperNewb> yea that what i said
[10:03] <miausX> it's a livecd, but you can install to harddisk... it comes with a script, you can remaster it with two commands, maybe you will find interesting that script :)
[10:03] <SuperNewb> hmmmm... i dont want to use it though
[10:03] <SuperNewb> i just want to add some apps to the ubuntu installer
[10:04] <SuperNewb> how hard would that be
[10:04] <carajean> hey anyone know where to find c:program files
[10:04] <carajean> ???
[10:04] <Gwildor> huh?
[10:04] <miausX> hum, I don't know, you are talking about to create your own debian based distribution
[10:04] <SuperNewb> i guess... i dont want to go that deep... i just need to know how to add apps to the installer
[10:05] <SuperNewb> so if i ever have to reinstall i dont have to go and find them all again
[10:05] <carajean> yeah point2play installed it there
[10:05] <miausX> SuperNewb, it's a good idea, I'll try that too :)
[10:05] <tsw> it would be nice if the cd installer would check one folder and install every deb found there
[10:05] <SuperNewb> yea cara... just open the directory... there should be a folder called c i think
[10:05] <tsw> would make custom installer really easy to create
[10:05] <SuperNewb> tsw - yea... that would really make this easier
[10:06] <SuperNewb> well how do the installers work
[10:06] <miausX> tsw, hehehe, feather linux works that way :)
[10:06] <SuperNewb> is there a text based file with a list of the packages?  or does the installer actually search the disk and index them
[10:06] <tsw> always learning something new :)
[10:06] <miausX> tsw, yeah! :D
[10:06] <tsw> SuperNewb: mount the iso and take a look
[10:06] <SuperNewb> miaus - see i knew that... but im trying to find a way to do this with ubuntu in particular...
[10:07] <SuperNewb> ok
[10:07] <tsw> and maybe this option should be added to some wishlist :)
[10:07] <SuperNewb> well i might as well burn it right now
[10:07] <carajean> where is the directory
[10:07] <tsw> with the option of not installing certain debs
[10:08] <SuperNewb> carajean... the point2play included docs oughtta tell you where it is
[10:08] <carajean> ok i will look
[10:08] <SuperNewb> tsw have you ever installed fedora
[10:08] <tsw> SuperNewb: once
[10:08] <tsw> didnt like it
[10:08] <SuperNewb> fedora was like windows... it had a minimal, an all, and a custom selection
[10:08] <tsw> been debian users before
[10:08] <SuperNewb> i figured that ubuntu was the same
[10:08] <SuperNewb> am i wrong
[10:09] <miausX> SuperNewb, seems easy
[10:09] <tsw> debian net installer is great just installs the base and then apt-get the rest from net
[10:09] <njs12345> hmm.. has anyone here installed Mono on Hoary?
[10:09] <miausX> tsw, yep, I love that :)
[10:09] <SuperNewb> miaus it does?
[10:09] <SuperNewb> see im trying to avoid the apt-get
[10:09] <Arricka> running base config puts me in some sort of package manager...how do I get xfree86 to just re-autodetect everything, and just let me select what resolutions I want to run in?
[10:09] <SuperNewb> i mean i want to install ubuntu
[10:09] <tsw> njs12345: no but I heard its broken
[10:10] <njs12345> yup, it is
[10:10] <SuperNewb> then after i find and get all the apps i want... make my own installer
[10:10] <shingoki> Hi, does anyone know what font the ubuntu logo uses?
[10:10] <tsw> SuperNewb: why avoid apt-get
[10:10] <miausX> SuperNewb, all the packages are in blah/pool
[10:10] <njs12345> whichever package you try to install it depends on other packages
[10:10] <stonecolddsl> tsw I just did a sarge net install, it installed the base then asked me what i wanted to do with the machine and then it downloaded a nice desktop package
[10:10] <Gwildor> Arricka, for the 3rd time...i think it is base-config
[10:10] <tsw> stonecolddsl: yes thats one option I have never used
[10:10] <tsw> :d
[10:11] <Kamion> Arricka: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:11] <stonecolddsl> I only had to apt-get a few things like firefox thunderbird and xchat
[10:11] <tsw> all my servers run debian woody+backports and desktop runs sarge just installed ubuntu on my laptop...
[10:11] <miausX> hum... avoid the apt-get? what will you use?
[10:11] <Gwildor> stonecolddsl, was it that easy.....where did you get your net install iso?.......
[10:11] <Kamion> Arricka: press enter at most of the prompts, just change the resolutions bit
[10:11] <Arricka> thank you Kamion. Gwildor: base-config puts you in a big package manager...how you get into changing the xfree86 defaults from there I have no idea
[10:12] <Kamion> you can't as far as I know
[10:12] <stonecolddsl> Gwildor you can get the debian sarge aka testing net install iso (107 megs) from debian.org
[10:12] <Gwildor> stonecolddsl, its just point and click?
[10:12] <Arricka> Kamion, that's what I did last time....I must have changed something though so it doesn't work...this time I have to figure out what defualt I *don't* want
[10:13] <Gwildor> stonecolddsl, or arrow around......but jsut as esasy as pooint and click
[10:13] <shingoki> Anyone know what the ubunt font is? I can't find it anywhere
[10:13] <stonecolddsl> it uses a ncurses system... so there is not much to do but will ask you about the your harddrive and if you want to use it all
[10:13] <carajean> i looked and it doesnt say where it installs the files but i did find p2p file
[10:14] <Gwildor> stonecolddsl, kk, ive bene all over the debian site, and nver saw that, only un-official net installers, but i found it now, im DLing it
[10:14] <Gwildor> stonecolddsl, herder or easier than arch?
[10:14] <shingoki> I tried the sarge installer a while ago, it was just s bad as ever, I must have had the wrong one
[10:15] <stonecolddsl> but again i am use to non gui insallers
[10:15] <stonecolddsl> my usual distrobution is slackware
[10:15] <tsw> I really hated Fedora installer.. it was too easy..
[10:15] <stonecolddsl> so ncurses is 2nd nature
[10:15] <stonecolddsl> at least to me
[10:15] <tsw> means more and more linux testers who doesnt have a clue of what thei are doing
[10:16] <tsw> I dont mean its not good to test linux for everybody
[10:16] <Kamion> shingoki: the Ubuntu installer is not significantly different from the sarge installer, in terms of UI style
[10:16] <tsw> but still one should learn to read howtos first..
[10:17] <SuperNewb> who in here has no trace of windows in their home?
[10:17] <shingoki> Kamion: I don't mind the UI style, I like the ubuntu installer, but sarge just asked me loads of pointless questions then dumped me at a command line, I wasn't impressed ;)
[10:17] <Gwildor> Kamion, i can expect the sarge installer to be VERY similar to the ubuntu installer?
[10:17] <Kamion> shingoki: then something went extremely badly wrong which is not normal.
[10:17] <miausX> brb
[10:17] <stonecolddsl> gwildor yes
[10:17] <Kamion> Gwildor: yeah, it asks a few more questions
[10:17] <Kamion> slightly higher level of detail
[10:17] <Gwildor> kk,.....i can handle that no problem
[10:17] <GotD0t> does anybody know why tali doesn't work hoary?
[10:18] <Kamion> shingoki: being dropped to a command line before the first reboot basically means you downloaded a very broken version
[10:18] <shingoki> Kamion: I should try it again. I didn't get any error messages, I just got a command line, no C, no desktop environment. I had lots of packages I'd never heard of for printing on printers I don't have installed beautifully though
[10:18] <tsw> Pepsi Max, Maximum Waste No Taste :D
[10:18] <tsw> pepsi: nothing personal
[10:18] <Kamion> shingoki: you mean after the reboot?
[10:18] <Kamion> shingoki: you should've picked something more sensible in tasksel then :)
[10:18] <shingoki> Kamion: No it rebooted, but then I just had a command line, I tried to get X but gave up
[10:18] <SuperNewb> anyone remember pepsi clear
[10:18] <shingoki> Kamion: I picked whatever made sense, but it dodn't get me far :(
[10:19] <Kamion> shingoki: sometimes sarge is inconsistent and bits are uninstallable; it's an as-yet-unreleased distribution, so this is fairly normal
[10:19] <Kamion> in any event it's not the fault of the installer
[10:19] <Gwildor> SuperNewb, pepsi clear was the shit
[10:19] <ubuntu_user> hello everybody
[10:19] <SuperNewb> hell yea
[10:19] <shingoki> Kamion: It's ok, I'm on ubuntu now, I've given up on debian ever being easy enough for an idiot like me ;)
[10:19] <SuperNewb> it broke my toe
[10:20] <Gwildor> SuperNewb, how?
[10:20] <SuperNewb> i dropped one fo those short bottles on my foot and broke my toe
[10:20] <Gwildor> hahahaha
[10:20] <carajean> can anyone tell me or help install nvidia drivers usin this distro world of warcraft looks really bad
[10:20] <Gwildor> thats funny
[10:20] <SuperNewb> carajean
[10:20] <tsw> what I really want to know is how well ubuntu works on server systems.. LAMP environment with 100+ vhosts (not so many hits)
[10:20] <tsw> compared to debian
[10:21] <SuperNewb> im trying to find the link gimme a sec
[10:21] <crimsun> tsw: not really distro-related at all. That's more an administrator's prerogative.
[10:21] <tsw> crimsun: yes, but woody is really stable, but old.
[10:21] <ubuntu_user> i can not bur cds in nautilus, aparently it works normaly but when it start to burn on cd it does that the cd is not empty, whats the problem?
[10:22] <crimsun> tsw: again, not distro-related at all. Performance is affected by the administrator's configuration.
[10:22] <tsw> Ive had some problems with the woody packets being historic.. and ubuntu seems to fix this
[10:22] <SuperNewb> see this is why i hate windows
[10:22] <SuperNewb> my browser is frozen
[10:23] <Gwildor> hahahaha....IE?
[10:23] <SuperNewb> nah opera
[10:23] <Gwildor> SuperNewb, ?
[10:23] <Gwildor> ahh.ok
[10:23] <SuperNewb> im scared of IE
[10:23] <shingoki> Everyone is scared of IE
[10:23] <Gwildor> lol
[10:23] <Gwildor> was typing that
[10:23] <shingoki> :)
[10:23] <tsw> crimsun: and how about cyrus packets and so.. woody had much work on getting them working
[10:23] <shingoki> I haven't used IE for years, and I'm STILL scared of it
[10:24] <SuperNewb> does anyone understand the ubuntu installer
[10:24] <Kamion> yes
[10:24] <SuperNewb> i want to try and modify the package list on it
[10:24] <SuperNewb> so i can add packages
[10:24] <ogra> IE ? not the frontpage users though
[10:24] <Kamion> there are several places to do that, it's a little awkward at the moment
[10:24] <Seq> ogra: I don't know why people still use frontpage
[10:24] <Seq> ogra: even my mom uses nvu :p
[10:25] <SuperNewb> does ubuntu support NTFS reading/writing OOTB
[10:25] <ogra> Seq: because they dont know better.... :(
[10:25] <Kamion> right now it's probably simplest to modify lib/menu/pkgsel in the base-config source package, rebuild, inject new .deb onto CD
[10:25] <Gwildor> i use go-live
[10:25] <Seq> ogra: perfect use for a LART or cluestick
[10:25] <ogra> Seq: they dont have a son that tells them to use nvu :)
[10:25] <crimsun> tsw: warty-security has 2.1.16ish; hoary has 2.1.17ish
[10:26] <Seq> ogra: as soon as i get my mom hooked on GRAMPS, I can have her ditch windows completely, and stop having to fix that machine
[10:26] <knoppix> hi...how would one be able to instal Ubuntu from current distro into a new partition without using any removable media?
[10:26] <SuperNewb> kamion... that sounds easy enouigh
[10:26] <ogra> Seq: heh
[10:26] <Kamion> SuperNewb: it's fiddly but not totally off the wall
[10:26] <ogra> knoppix: there is a "install from knoppix howto" on the wiki i heard
[10:26] <ubuntu_user> i can not bur cds in nautilus, aparently it works normaly but when it start to burn on cd it does that the cd is not empty, whats the problem?
[10:26] <SuperNewb> well i mean can i modify it in a text editor?
[10:26] <Kamion> SuperNewb: if everything extra you want depends only on stuff already in the base system, you could also put it in .disk/base_include on the CD's filesystem, but that's flakier
[10:26] <shingoki> Kamion: Do you know whether bluetooth stuff and wacom tablets will work as standard in next ubuntu?
[10:26] <crimsun> knoppix: mount the new partition and use ubuntu's debootstrap
[10:27] <Kamion> shingoki: not my field, dunno
[10:27] <ogra> ubuntu_user: sounds like a error on the cd
[10:27] <Arricka> okay, I'm back in gnome
[10:27] <Arricka> now I've only got one more thing to do before this system is ready to give to my sister
[10:27] <Kamion> SuperNewb: we're planning to make it easier to customise this sort of thing in hoary
[10:28] <knoppix> thank you ogra and crimsun...appreciate it!
[10:28] <SuperNewb> hmmm shoudl i wait till then?
[10:28] <Kamion> up to you
[10:28] <SuperNewb> well it sounds easy enough
[10:28] <shingoki> hoary is a great name, but it sounds kinda unfortunate :)
[10:29] <shingoki> like ubuntu is a friendly distro... maybe a little TOO friendly... for money...
[10:29] <ubuntu_user> ogra, i can not burn on any aplication, not only on nautilus, cdrecord problems??
[10:29] <Arricka> I'm trying to install an app from gnome, so that my sister can do some video editing. The app is only available as source (it's called Lives). When I try and run ./configure I get configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[10:29] <ogra> ubuntu_user: what kind of writer is it ?
[10:29] <HrdwrBoB> shingoki: yes but we're all mature adults here
[10:29] <crimsun> Arricka: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:29] <vladster> I am turning Japanese, I really think so
[10:29] <HrdwrBoB> .. or at least a close approximation
[10:30] <shingoki> HrdwrBoB: Apparently not me :(
[10:30] <HrdwrBoB> Arricka: apt-get install build-essential
[10:30] <ogra> Arricka: did you look at kino ? its a video editing app for gnome
[10:30] <Arricka> thanks, crimsun and ogra
[10:30] <HrdwrBoB> will download libraries and compilers
[10:30] <ubuntu_user> cd-rw memorex 24X
[10:30] <ogra> Arricka: ..... and it is in universe ;)
[10:30] <Arricka> I looked at both kino and Lives...they were both listed on the webpage
[10:30] <crimsun> shingoki: hmm? You do know the denotation (and or conotation) of 'hoary', no? :)
[10:30] <ubuntu_user> ogra, cdrw memorex 24x
[10:31] <vladster> has anyone tried installing unreal tournament or UT2K4 on ubuntu?
[10:31] <Arricka> that would make things easier
[10:31] <shingoki> crimsun: It means like, kinda weather beaten and rough I think... but it sounds like it means something else :)
[10:31] <ogra> ubuntu_user: no, i mean USB, builtin.... if builtin ide od scsi ?
[10:31] <GotD0t> vladster: im hoping to
[10:31] <ubuntu_user> ogra, IDE
[10:31] <vladster> what about quake 3
[10:31] <vladster> arena
[10:31] <ogra> ubuntu_user: aha...
[10:31] <crimsun> shingoki: with age, or venerated, sure. But it doesn't have anything to do with "that" other denotation. :)
[10:31] <GotD0t> vladster: when i get ut2k4 ill let you know
[10:31] <ogra> ubuntu_user: hmm, should simply work....
[10:31] <Kamion> intended meaning is kind of aged/wise, but the double meanings are often semi-intentional :)
[10:32] <vladster> what about UT99
[10:32] <ogra> ubuntu_user: do you see it in the device manager ?
[10:32] <vladster> GOTY
[10:32] <HrdwrBoB> vladster: yes it works fine
[10:32] <shingoki> I'd never thought of hoary as old or wise, just ragged :)
[10:32] <vladster> where do you set the ingame lighting
[10:32] <ogra> vladster: goty works great on my old matrox :)
[10:32] <Kamion> warty was originally because we thought the first release would be broken in all kinds of fun ways; in the event it turned out better than we'd expected
[10:32] <SuperNewb> thats always good
[10:33] <vladster> The UT menus have no effect
[10:33] <shingoki> Kamion: It seems pretty great actually :)
[10:33] <Kamion> not quite clear what the next one after hoary will be yet
[10:33] <ubuntu_user> ogra, yes, and in nautilus but not burn, in nautilus it say that cd is not empty
[10:33] <vladster> It appears like I would have to hack the GL settings somewhere to overide the in game gamma
[10:34] <Kamion> it was going to be "grumpy groundhog", but that name is being reassigned for another purpose
[10:34] <vladster> I rjust don't knnow where
[10:34] <shingoki> Kamion: lol
[10:34] <lifeless> Kamion: where is grump going?
[10:34] <HrdwrBoB> vladster: xgama
[10:34] <HrdwrBoB> vladster: xgamma
[10:34] <Kamion> Mark's current favourite is "bendy badger", which was originally Scott trolling him. We've been trying to persuade him out of it ever since
[10:34] <Kamion> lifeless: crack-of-the-day builds
[10:34] <ogra> ubuntu_user: on my sys it only says that if the cd is broken.... normally it works with a new media
[10:34] <ubuntu_user> ogra, i change cdrecord, cdrdao, etc permissions, but it not burn
[10:35] <vladster> also with my card, parts of the map disappear
[10:35] <ogra> ubuntu_user: you shouldnt change permissions on that progs
[10:35] <vladster> where is the xgamma set
[10:35] <ubuntu_user> ogra, i change the media but not works
[10:36] <shingoki> magnificent mongoose
[10:36] <Kamion> bit long
[10:36] <ubuntu_user> ogra, i install k3b, but it not works
[10:36] <ogra> ubuntu_user: hmm, no idea
[10:37] <vladster> When I get the ubuntu disks, I am going to be selling linux gaming systems and I need to know where these settings are
[10:37] <HrdwrBoB> oh, reminds me, what should I file a bug against if the right moduels aren't put in initrd
[10:37] <HrdwrBoB> (and hence the system didn't boot when installed
[10:37] <carajean> hey can someone tell me how to enable my agp card i did a status check and it said it was disabled
[10:37] <ogra> vladster: normally such things are set up in the game settings i thought
[10:37] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: debian-installer at first
[10:37] <lifeless> Kamion: while you are around... remember that amd64 occasional hang I was having ?
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> Kamion: yeah, though when I upgrade the kernel, it resets it
[10:38] <vladster> the in game settings have no effect
[10:38] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: oh, *that* initrd
[10:38] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: initrd-tools
[10:38] <vladster> only on the menus
[10:38] <Kamion> lifeless: not really :)
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> yeah, it had sil_sata and a 3ware card
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> I think it only loads the first driver
[10:38] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: I think that got fixed recently in hoary
[10:39] <HrdwrBoB> cool
[10:39] <lifeless> well... apparently ~ 3 days ago the machine starting locking up hard in every os... and it won't even complete a memcheck without hanging hard.
[10:39] <Kamion> the way the kernel exposed SATA devices changed in kernel 2.6.7 or so
[10:39] <lifeless> not erroring in the memcheck... just locks up :(
[10:39] <Kamion> lifeless: heat problems?
[10:39] <lifeless> I smell hardware...
[10:39] <HrdwrBoB> yeah to scsi
[10:39] <lifeless> Kamion: may well be, its high 20's here most of the time.
[10:39] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: no, not that part
[10:40] <vladster> I never have heat problems, 3 fans on power supply and four on the case
[10:40] <lifeless> vladster: whats your ambient air temp ?
[10:40] <lifeless> *outside the case* that is.
[10:40] <vladster> 20 c if I am willing to turn upo the thermostat
[10:41] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: http://bugs.debian.org/271038
[10:41] <vladster> I have a Linali aluminum case
[10:41] <vladster> Lianli
[10:41] <lifeless> heh, so you are at at least 5-7 degrees cooler than I, and this box is a single-fan on the case, + cpu fan inside.
[10:41] <vladster> inside of the case is 35 c
[10:42] <vladster> cpu is socket 423 and running at 40 c
[10:42] <lifeless> If I had some way of telling the temp @ lockup, I'd be happy.
[10:42] <vladster> memory running at 45c (Rambuss)
[10:43] <lifeless> because that would exclude other possible problems.
[10:43] <vladster> 5 hard drives dvd writer and dvdrom
[10:43] <Seq> 5 hard drives?
[10:43] <vladster> weighs a ton and a half
[10:43] <shingoki> if your cpu is under 50, I wouldn't have thought it was a problem though...
[10:43] <lifeless> (it dies during 64-bit boot, with bad page mapping RIP's, sometimes passes the boot, very frustrrating.
[10:44] <lifeless> until I rule out heat though...
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> Kamion: ah, excellent, and you can add it to /etc/mkinitrd/modules :)
[10:44] <neighborlee> hey peeps how does one get gnome apps to remember windows states ? ;-)
[10:44] <vladster> dual boot and I am a pack rat
[10:44] <lifeless> neighborlee: it should just do it
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> and here's me extracting the initrd, modifying it and rebuilding
[10:44] <neighborlee> lifeless, would be nice but nautilus doesn't
[10:44] <neighborlee> lifeless, only some apps do
[10:44] <Kamion> vladster: I solve that problem by having more machines
[10:44] <vladster> no room
[10:45] <Kamion> nor do I, any more
[10:45] <vladster> need a bigger library
[10:45] <Kamion> seven at last count
[10:45] <vladster> can't add on to this house like a normal house
[10:45] <vladster> timber construction
[10:46] <SuperNewb> whats that mean?
[10:46] <Seq> Kamion: you win, i have six. one is headless
[10:46] <vladster> House was put together without nails in 1887
[10:46] <SuperNewb> damn thats an old damn house
[10:46] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[10:47] <vladster> try drilling the timbers sometime
[10:47] <Kamion> Seq: one of mine's currently headless, I'd like it to be more than that since it's monitors that give out most heat
[10:47] <mfeif> Howdy Ubuntu folks; can someone try and help me get some clues on an esoteric GDM problem?
[10:47] <SuperNewb> everyone... help me help carajean
[10:47] <carajean> hey i have a problem with my video card can someone assist me
[10:47] <carajean> my card for somereason is disabled
[10:48] <SuperNewb> post the status alreadyh
[10:48] <carajean> carajean@shicara:~ $ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[10:48] <carajean> Status:          Disabled
[10:48] <carajean> AGP initialization failed, please check the ouput
[10:48] <carajean> of the 'dmesg' command and/or your system log file
[10:48] <carajean> for additional information on this problem.
[10:48] <Seq> Kamion: do you have legitimate uses for the other machines? are are they just there for the sake of having more?
[10:48] <HrdwrBoB> I replaced the gateway machine with a wrt54gs, so we've only got three here (plux xbox)
[10:48] <HrdwrBoB> er.. four
[10:48] <HrdwrBoB> including laptop
[10:48] <ogra> carajean: did you install the ubuntu nvidia drivers ?
[10:48] <Seq> HrdwrBoB: i have a wrt54g, and it didnt work very well for me :(
[10:48] <SuperNewb> ok now cara... did you use the method in that site to install the drivers?
[10:49] <carajean> yeah i thought so i did exactly what the read me said do
[10:49] <SuperNewb> what abotu the site i sent you to
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> Seq: yeah? why not, I run openwrt on it
[10:49] <ogra> carajean: on the wiki ?
[10:49] <carajean> yeah
[10:49] <SuperNewb> did the readme match
[10:49] <ubuntu_user> ogra, i can burn with k3b, but the system is too slow, that's not normal.
[10:49] <carajean> yeah
[10:49] <SuperNewb> ok now did you follow the next step?
[10:49] <mfeif> anyone here good with GDM on ubuntu?
[10:49] <Seq> HrdwrBoB: it wouldnt do dns properly, and i didnt have time to mess around with it
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Open a terminal.
[10:49] <SuperNewb> To check the status of the nvidia driver type: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Sample Output:
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Status: Enabled Driver: AGPGART AGP Rate: 4x Fast Writes: Disabled SBA: Disabled
[10:49] <SuperNewb> To enable 'Fast Writes' and 'SBA' you can try this.
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Note: There has to be a better way with Debian/Ubuntu to do this.
[10:49] <Seq> HrdwrBoB: i've been wanting to do that too
[10:49] <SuperNewb> sudo gedit /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[10:49] <Arricka> okay...I installed kino....now how do I get it to appear on the menu of gnome apps?
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Add this to the end of the file and save: modprobe nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_ReqAGPRate=8
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Modify the above settings for your system. From the example above I am using: modprobe nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1
[10:49] <lifeless> Kamion: headless rocks.
[10:49] <carajean> i followed every step
[10:49] <SuperNewb> Reboot or unload/load the nvidia driver and restart X.
[10:49] <ogra> ubuntu_user: see if dma is enabled on the device
[10:50] <HrdwrBoB> Seq: ah, I don't know, I never used the standard firmware, I put openwrt straight on
[10:50] <SuperNewb> you did that
[10:50] <SuperNewb> modprobe nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_ReqAGPRate=8
[10:50] <Kamion> Seq: most of them are either in active use or in use as occasional development machines due to their special hardware
[10:50] <ogra> ubuntu_user: use  sudo hdparm  for that
[10:50] <Seq> carajean: it looks like its agp thats holding you back, not the nvidia driver
[10:50] <SuperNewb> modprobe nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1
[10:50] <Kamion> Seq: installer hackers tend to accumulate hardware ...
[10:50] <ogra> carajean: there are only two steps
[10:50] <Seq> Kamion: ahh, there you go
[10:51] <SuperNewb> seq - is the "modprobe nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 " for enabling agp?
[10:51] <wasabi_> I assume there has been discussion about whether or not to officially support Mono in Hoary? Trying to find some conversations. ;)
[10:51] <wasabi_> I'd Really like to see it included. ;)
[10:51] <Seq> Kamion: ahh, i only have one dev/test machine
[10:51] <ogra> SuperNewb: thats all done by sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:51] <SuperNewb> seq
[10:51] <Seq> SuperNewb: usually you'd load a module to support AGP on whatever kind of chipset you own (on your motherboard)
[10:52] <ogra> SuperNewb: which is the second step on the wiki
[10:52] <calc> wasabi_: it probably will be once the first really important gtk# app is released ;)
[10:52] <Kamion> wasabi_: there've been conversations, but I don't remember the outcomes; Jeff Waugh would probably be as good a person as any to ask
[10:52] <ogra> carajean: you did sudo nvidia-glx-config enable ?
[10:52] <Seq> wasabi_: i'd like to see it included too
[10:53] <wasabi_> Hoary's version doesn't even seem to be installable.
[10:53] <Kamion> but Christmastime is suboptimal for trying to find people ...
[10:53] <wasabi_> It's Working in warty right thogh.
[10:53] <Kamion> and on that note I'm off. Merry Christmas
[10:53] <wasabi_> and happy new years
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> tata
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> merry christmas
[10:53] <Seq> wasabi_: im using 1.0.2 , you're right in that 1.0.4 doesn't seem to be complete yet
[10:53] <mfeif> can anyone lend any wisdom to a warty/GDM problem?
[10:53] <SuperNewb> kamion
[10:54] <SuperNewb> before you leave...
[10:54] <SuperNewb> what was the first method you told me for editing the installer
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> mfeif: only if you tell us what it is ;)
[10:54] <mfeif> okay; thanks.
[10:54] <SuperNewb> nvm found it
[10:54] <SuperNewb> right now it's probably simplest to modify lib/menu/pkgsel in the base-config source package, rebuild, inject new .deb onto CD
[10:55] <SuperNewb> ill save that
[10:55] <paradoxmo> can someone tell me how i'd go about setting the volume label of a fat32 partition from linux?
[10:55] <mfeif> I'm running warty on a box that I've rigged to have a read-only / with some tmpfs mounted for /var/run and things like that...
[10:56] <mfeif> if I log in via GDM, I get an error in a pop-up: "Error activating XKB configuration. Probably internal X server problem"
[10:56] <SuperNewb> cara where you at
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> paradoxmo: I'm not sure, why is it necessary
[10:56] <mfeif> if I log in as that user, and hit "startx" instead, I do NOT get that error.
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> you can only see it from windows
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> .. in which you can change it
[10:56] <mfeif> I poked around in /etc/gdm/* to find scripts that may be the problem, but I'm out of my depth in those bash scripts.
[10:56] <paradoxmo> HrdwrBoB: gnome-volume-manager uses the volume label, if present, as the default mount point name
[10:57] <mfeif> I do NOT have a fancy keyboard config.
[10:57] <Arricka> so how does one go about linking applications that have been installed (from say the universe package) to the gnome applications menu, so that they can be started without the use of nautilus or a terminal?
[10:57] <Arricka> basically, how do I add items to the gnome applications meny
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> paradoxmo: ooh ok, hrm
[10:57] <Arricka> menu
[10:57] <mfeif> I even tried disabling parts of /etc/gdm/Xsession or /etc/gdm/PreSession/*
[10:58] <paradoxmo> arricka: try right-clicking in the menu you want to add it in, going to entire menu->add new item
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> ag ok, have to go to parents etc, christmas time :)
[10:58] <SuperNewb> shti that looks harder than it sounds
[10:59] <Arricka> ah, thanks
[10:59] <Setite> carajean where did you go
[10:59] <mfeif> no ideas?
[11:00] <paradoxmo> mfeif: never tried it, sorry
[11:00] <paradoxmo> is your entire /var writable? maybe xkb needs something else in var
[11:00] <mfeif> not all of /var
[11:00] <paradoxmo> /var/cache/?
[11:00] <mfeif> but I've used find with date params to see what's touched when in r/w mode, and nothing is there
[11:01] <mfeif> no, var/cache isn't rw/
[11:01] <mfeif> a few pieces of it I symlinked to ram disks
[11:01] <mfeif> why would gdm use something that startx doesn't use?
[11:01] <Quest-Master> Has anyone tried installing Ubuntu with a USB Linksys adapter?
[11:01] <Quest-Master> I hope it autodetects it
[11:02] <paradoxmo> gdm sets the language, etc
[11:02] <paradoxmo> i think
[11:02] <paradoxmo> keyboard layout
[11:02] <mfeif> hm.
[11:02] <paradoxmo> based on your selections from the menu
[11:02] <paradoxmo> xdm probably doesn't, you could try that
[11:02] <mfeif> what should I look for in /var/cache?
[11:02] <paradoxmo> i don't know, that was just an idea
[11:03] <mfeif> it doesn't look (on first glance) that there's anything gdm related.
[11:03] <paradoxmo> maybe not
[11:03] <mfeif> I could try xdm, thanks for that idea
[11:03] <mfeif> I suppose I could also just go right into a startx; I'm trying to make what is essentially a kiosk
[11:04] <Quest-Master> gah
[11:04] <mfeif> I'm just using gdm because it has the auto-login feature
[11:04] <Quest-Master> How can I force the CD-ROM drive to open?
[11:04] <Quest-Master> Through the terminal
[11:04] <paradoxmo> Quest-Master: eject mount-point
[11:04] <paradoxmo> or eject devicename
[11:04] <Quest-Master> :)
[11:04] <Setite> hey
[11:04] <Setite> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:04] <Setite> is that done in the terminal?
[11:05] <crimsun> Setite: yes.
[11:05] <Setite> ok
[11:05] <paradoxmo> mfeif: see if xdm has auto-login... but startx would be bad unless you respawned it somehow if x crashes
[11:06] <mfeif> good point
[11:07] <Seq> you could have a script find the pid of the x server, wait until it finishes, and respawn it if the runlevel isn't 0 or 6
[11:07] <mfeif> is there a reasonable way to figure out what bit is trying to write somewhere?
[11:08] <paradoxmo> hmm. have you looked around at the notes of people who have built kiosks?
[11:08] <mfeif> yes
[11:08] <ubuntu_user> cdrecord in ubuntu is not official version???
[11:08] <mfeif> nobody uses gdm; lots of people just run the thing as root always
[11:08] <mfeif> and they're not using ubuntu, either
[11:09] <calc> ubuntu_user: nobody uses official cdrecord since joerg ate the gpl
[11:09] <paradoxmo> which thing, mfeif
[11:09] <calc> cdrecord will likely go the way of xfree86 eventually
[11:09] <ubuntu_user> calc, why?
[11:09] <mfeif> the kiosk; sorry
[11:10] <calc> ubuntu_user: its upstream author is very annoying to everyone
[11:10] <mfeif> single user mode
[11:10] <Setite> i love linux
[11:10] <paradoxmo> *really*? i doubt it
[11:10] <Setite> thought you all should know
[11:10] <Setite> its empowering :)
[11:10] <ogra> ubuntu_user: becaue the dev of cdrecord doesnt like the gpl anymopre
[11:10] <lifeless> ubuntu_user: if you detach yourself from the commons, you either get replaced or forked from.
[11:10] <calc> once libburn is done someone will probably reimplement a console cd recording program
[11:10] <paradoxmo> i think i've heard of people doing a thing where they wipe the home directory and create it afresh every time they log out
[11:10] <mfeif> yep, I've seen that.
[11:11] <ubuntu_user> ogra, but what is better, the original or the clone?
[11:11] <mfeif> I'm sorta doing that by mounting a tmpfs on /home/user and rsync'ing from a known good copy
[11:11] <paradoxmo> seq suggested: (17:07:02) Seq: you could have a script find the pid of the x server, wait until it finishes, and respawn it if the runlevel isn't 0 or 6
[11:11] <JStrike> ogra : What licence has he switched to?
[11:11] <ogra> ubuntu_user: the distro supported version indeed....its tested and recieves security updates ;)
[11:12] <calc> JStrike: from what i recall its gpl with non-gpl compliant clauses in it
[11:12] <ogra> JStrike: i dont think he switched yet...but he was bitching about it and linux.....
[11:13] <paradoxmo> he didn't really switch, he added clauses, including one that says if you modify it you have to change the name and include a long notice about how it's not official or supported
[11:13] <gwildor> ho to untar from command
[11:13] <paradoxmo> gwildor: man tar
[11:13] <gwildor> thnx
[11:14] <nicedreams> How do i change the burning speed from the greyed out MAXIMUM to where I can select 16x using Gnome 2.9 Nautilus?
[11:14] <paradoxmo> merry christmas everyone, bye
[11:14] <mfeif> thanks paradoxmo. I'll keep digging
[11:14] <JStrike> Bah. Was hoping he had switched to MIT or such
[11:15] <crimsun> nah, there'd be no problem if he had switched to MIT
[11:15] <paradoxmo> mfeif: good luck. i seem to recall jwz putting something up about kiosks on his website, maybe take a look
[11:15] <mfeif> yeah, I did refer to that. Thanks.
[11:16] <nicedreams> nvm...found it
[11:18] <nicedreams> What is a good cdburning program for gnome that is in the ubuntu repository?
[11:20] <vladster> I thoght cdrao was pretty good
[11:20] <crimsun> 'cdrdao'?
[11:20] <nicedreams> ?
[11:20] <nicedreams> any good?
[11:20] <vladster> either command line or with a front end like K3B
[11:20] <nicedreams> is their k3b in ubuntu?
[11:20] <nicedreams> and how many libs from kde does it need?
[11:21] <vladster> not that many
[11:21] <crimsun> should be in universe.
[11:21] <nicedreams> hope i don't have to basicly install kde if i want to use k3b
[11:21] <nicedreams> i'll try that
[11:21] <crimsun> no, but you need quite a few libs.
[11:21] <vladster> just the libs
[11:21] <nicedreams> k
[11:21] <Quest-Master> k guys.
[11:21] <nicedreams> thx
[11:21] <Quest-Master> I'm installing Ubuntu again on an older computer
[11:21] <vladster> the libs are not that big, its KDE that is bloated
[11:21] <Quest-Master> But it won't detect the network card (Linksys Wireless-G Adapter PCI)
[11:21] <nicedreams> ubuntu rocks...  I still like sarge more for some wierd reason though
[11:22] <Quest-Master> Once UBuntu is installed
[11:22] <nicedreams> but ubuntu has my backing
[11:22] <Quest-Master> Can I get it to work with this card?
[11:22] <nicedreams> i've heard you have to do something special for all wireless in ubuntu before it works
[11:22] <nicedreams> i know its in the wiki somewhere
[11:22] <Quest-Master> Well
[11:22] <Seq> Quest-Master: i don't think so. i bought a pci wireless card for somebody for christmas, and iirc, none of the linksys had native drivers.
[11:22] <Quest-Master> I need to find it
[11:23] <Quest-Master> Fast
[11:23] <Setite> ogra can i pm you?
[11:23] <Seq> however, you could probably do that windows driver module, but meh
[11:23] <Quest-Master> I'm leaving for Green Bay tomorrow, and I have to get this et up before tomorrow
[11:23] <Quest-Master> No wau
[11:23] <Quest-Master> *No way
[11:23] <nicedreams> google it
[11:23] <Quest-Master> Seq: Is it impossible to install the card then?
[11:23] <nicedreams>  :)
[11:23] <Quest-Master> ack.
[11:23] <Quest-Master> I need to set it up fast.
[11:23] <vladster> I even plugged it with a bunch of other libs for working with dvd's
[11:23] <nicedreams> i feel that, but i bet you can find it in google in less than 20 mins
[11:23] <Seq> Quest-Master: you'd have to use the ndis-wrapper with the windows driver. im pretty sure thats what its called
[11:23] <Quest-Master> Or I'll just install WinXP on that computer. x_x
[11:24] <vladster> such as transcode and it's dependencies
[11:24] <Quest-Master> Is there a guide on that Seq?
[11:24] <nicedreams> after this cd burns...i'll open firefox and search for the wireless
[11:24] <Seq> Quest-Master: im sure there is somewhere. i only buy hardware that i know has linux drivers, so i've never used the ndis wrapper
[11:24] <vladster> just apt-get install K3b and it will get what you need
[11:25] <vladster> then for the plug ins apt-get install transcode and dvdr tools
[11:26] <vladster> I have done it on suse but not as smoothly as libranet which is antoher debian build
[11:27] <vladster> another
[11:27] <Quest-Master> :(
[11:27] <Quest-Master> The weirdest thing is that
[11:27] <Quest-Master> Damn Small Linux detects the adapter and works fine with it
[11:27] <Quest-Master> X_X
[11:27] <Quest-Master> Knoppix can't detect it though.. and neither can Ubuntu, but DSL can? :d
[11:28] <Seq> Quest-Master: whats the exact model number on it
[11:28] <vladster> damn small is written by a network specialist
[11:28] <Quest-Master> Hehe
[11:28] <Quest-Master> Seq: One sec, lemme get the guide
[11:29] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: i heart dsl
[11:29] <gwildor> hello
[11:29] <vladster> I am sure that if you cantact the guy , he could tell you the modules he is checjking for
[11:29] <gwildor> i recieved this error <configure-jam: error: no acceptable C compi ler found in $PATH
[11:29] <gwildor> >
[11:29] <Quest-Master> WMP54G, Seq
[11:30] <gwildor> how can i fix that?
[11:30] <Quest-Master> I like DSL.. but it's too DS :P
[11:30] <|QuaD-> haha
[11:30] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: i considered running that as my primary OS
[11:30] <vladster> it has apt get, you can build on that
[11:30] <|QuaD-> and just putting on OOo
[11:30] <|QuaD-> and gaim
[11:30] <|QuaD-> and other basic programs
[11:30] <|QuaD-> basically what ubuntu offers :)
[11:31] <Seq> Quest-Master: i stand corrected, the madwifi driver should support it
[11:31] <Quest-Master> Hm
[11:31] <Quest-Master> How can I install that without any internet?
[11:31] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: may DSL-Ubuntu
[11:31] <Seq> Quest-Master: though i would stronly like to point out that i got this from the _second_link_ in a google search for "linksys wmp54g linux"
[11:31] <|QuaD-> *make
[11:31] <Quest-Master> Seq: hehe.. how can I install this madwifi driver?
[11:32] <vladster> since Damn Small is debian based al you have to do is use the apt-get to put in what you want
[11:32] <Quest-Master> Without apt-get, since there is no internet on that machine yet?
[11:32] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu is installing on that old machine right now.. will consider DSL if Ubuntu can't get the network card configured
[11:32] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: dl them, put them on disk
[11:33] <Seq> Quest-Master: correction, if i had read the entire posting, i would have found out its not supported, he just thought it was
[11:33] <Quest-Master> ah.
[11:33] <Quest-Master> Well then.
[11:33] <Quest-Master> Time to hd-install DSL.
[11:34] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: :)
[11:34] <Arricka> hmm...I'm trying to play a DVD (making sure everything is set before I give this computer to my sister)...mplayer is telling me it can't open DVD device /dev/dvd...how do I tell whether this is a hardware or a software problem?
[11:34] <|QuaD-> you might be able to install DSL... then apt-get to ubuntu
[11:34] <|QuaD-> Arricka: did you mount the drive
[11:34] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[11:34] <|QuaD-> you shouldn't be playing off /dev/dvd
[11:34] <|QuaD-> try /media/dvd
[11:34] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: interesting experiment to try
[11:35] <Seq> Arricka: there is no /dev/dvd link by default. either make one, or change it to /dev/cdrom
[11:35] <vladster> is there a setting in the XF86Config file that would control the gamma?
[11:35] <Seq> hmm, apparently there is a /dev/dvd, though i could have sworn there wasn't. first, check if it exists, anyway
[11:35] <Arricka> okay, so how do I mount the drive? is there an easy way to do it from within gnome? keep in mind I want my sister to be able to do it
[11:35] <Seq> you don't mount movies or music
[11:36] <Arricka> ah...wait a sec...
[11:36] <vladster> is she old enough to mount a drive ?
[11:36] <Arricka> there's an icon on my screen now, and the title of the disc matches the icon...mplayer is still giving me the same error though
[11:37] <bobmepis> hi
[11:37] <Seq> Arricka: check if /dev/dvd exists
[11:37] <Setite> what does CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE do?
[11:37] <crimsun> Setite: kills the current X server
[11:37] <|QuaD-> Setite: push it and find out
[11:37] <Setite> ok good
[11:37] <|QuaD-> crimsun: restarts not kills
[11:37] <Setite> haha thanks quat
[11:37] <Setite> just checking
[11:37] <Seq> |QuaD-: no, it kills. the script running the x server usually restarts it
[11:37] <Arricka> nope, dev/dvd does not exist...let me see if I can give mplayer a different default location for the drive
[11:38] <|QuaD-> seq.... in ubuntu it restarts it
[11:38] <Setite> ive been runnign carajean through the nvidia setup process
[11:38] <Setite> and wondered what it does
[11:38] <Seq> Arricka: yeah, just change it to /dev/cdrom , it should work
[11:38] <Setite> what does /dev stand for
[11:38] <Setite> whoops nvm
[11:38] <Seq> |QuaD-: technically CTRL+ALT+BKSP kills the x server. the script running the x server restarts it because it died innapropriately
[11:38] <Setite> i was thinking developer for a moment
[11:39] <Setite> seq... and killing it is the same as a reboot almost?
[11:39] <Setite> without rebooting the pc itself?
[11:39] <Seq> Setite: no, it just restarts the graphical environment. the same as logging out and back in
[11:39] <Setite> ok
[11:39] <Seq> without the actual logging out, but with the logging in
[11:39] <Setite> this is funny... im trying to help someone and i dotn even have linux
[11:40] <Setite> the ironty
[11:40] <nicedreams> so your saying that ctrl+alt+bksp doesn't reload the x config file?
[11:40] <Setite> it doesnt?
[11:40] <nicedreams> i'm asking?
[11:40] <nicedreams> i thought it did
[11:40] <crimsun> nicedreams: when it restarts, it rereads the conffile
[11:40] <Setite> yea
[11:40] <nicedreams> k....
[11:40] <Setite> what he said
[11:40] <nicedreams> was getting confused for a sec
[11:40] <nicedreams> lol
[11:40] <Setite> so any changes will take effect
[11:40] <nicedreams> my bad
[11:41] <tsw> ctrl+alt+backspace isnt the same as loggin out and logging in
[11:41] <Setite> which is exactly what we're trying to do...
[11:41] <ogra> Setite: you pinged ?
[11:41] <Setite> he needs to hurry up and get back in here
[11:41] <Setite> pinged?
[11:41] <crimsun> "ping" or addressed him
[11:41] <nicedreams> if I changed something in my x.org config and did ctrl+alt+bksp it'll reload the change i did in the config right?
[11:41] <ogra> Setite: you wanted to talk to me...
[11:41] <crimsun> nicedreams: yes
[11:41] <nicedreams> I'm just double checking because I'm having trouble with my nvidia config
[11:41] <nicedreams> k
[11:41] <nicedreams> nice
[11:41] <Seq> tsw is right, i was just saying it was closer to that than rebooting, from a user perspective
[11:41] <nicedreams> now i won't reboot anymore since i'm sure now
[11:41] <nicedreams>  :)
[11:42] <nicedreams> thx
[11:42] <vladster> the inside of my case just dropped 5c
[11:42] <Quest-Master> Now for the warning:
[11:42] <Quest-Master> Damn Small is not derived purely from Debian, if you 'apt-get install' the wrong application you may break something, for instance, the X servers.
[11:42] <Quest-Master> Hmm
[11:42] <Setite> can cedega be used for apps as well as games>
[11:42] <nicedreams> you can always try the test version of ubuntu
[11:42] <nicedreams> i'm using it and it rocks
[11:42] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: thats why it is only a warning
[11:42] <nicedreams> gnome 2.9 is nice
[11:42] <crimsun> Setite: sometimes.
[11:42] <Quest-Master> Is it actually possible to install Ubuntu through DSL?
[11:42] <nicedreams> see if that fixes your net problem
[11:42] <Setite> so essentially yes
[11:43] <vladster> I would rather use iceWM
[11:43] <crimsun> Setite: no, sometimes.
[11:43] <vladster> or Xfce
[11:43] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: no idea, just thoguht it would be a cool install
[11:43] <Setite> well as much as wine?
[11:43] <vladster> or even flux
[11:43] <nicedreams> xfce gets annoying from just little things they don't have in it that would make it better
[11:43] <nicedreams> flux is the bomb
[11:43] <nicedreams> ice rocks
[11:43] <Setite> just less so as it is specifically for games... but a simple app shoudl work right
[11:43] <ogra> Setite: afaik there is a list on the cedega page which apps work
[11:43] <Setite> oh didnt know they had an apps list
[11:43] <tsw> ive used fluxbox and liked it better than icewm
[11:44] <Setite> would more work on crossover office
[11:44] <Setite> gnome seems fine for me
[11:44] <Setite> anyone got screenies of fluxbox or icewm...
[11:44] <|QuaD-> Setite: google them
[11:44] <Setite> i dunno the difference from a wm and a desktop
[11:44] <ogra> Setite: cedega is crossover office with directX support ;)
[11:44] <Quest-Master> brb
[11:45] <Setite> i could do that
[11:45] <Setite> i thought cedega was wine with dx support aka winex renamed
[11:45] <nicedreams> setite is right
[11:45] <ogra> Setite: crossover is wine .....
[11:45] <nicedreams> that too
[11:45] <Setite> from what i read crossover office has things for transparent running... and for runnign apps
[11:45] <Setite> well i know it is
[11:46] <nicedreams> emulation never seems to work right though
[11:46] <ubuntu_user> i can't bur cds in nautilus....
[11:46] <nicedreams> I can't even play Desert Combat emulated on a nice system
[11:46] <ubuntu_user> i can't burn cds in nautilus....
[11:46] <nicedreams> me either
[11:46] <nicedreams> lol
[11:46] <Setite> but as they both have their focus i was wondering what makes crossover better for apps than cedega would be
[11:46] <nicedreams> nautilus makes coasters
[11:46] <nicedreams> they have little changes in code for each usuage
[11:46] <Setite> uh oh... i hope cara jean didnt kill his ubuntu
[11:46] <nicedreams> cedega i think is more for games
[11:47] <Setite> your are correct
[11:47] <Setite> its main goal is gaming
[11:47] <nicedreams> and crossover is tweaked for office and adobe products
[11:47] <Setite> whereas crossover office is as its name implies
[11:47] <nicedreams> and wine is just for your regular stuff
[11:47] <Setite> what else is there
[11:47] <nicedreams> just means they are tweaked more for certian things
[11:47] <Setite> it seems that cedega is games... and crossover is for apps
[11:47] <nicedreams> yea
[11:48] <Setite> such as everything else but games
[11:48] <nicedreams> cedega does a good job, but i still have an XP box for my games
[11:48] <vladster> transgamer is good for that
[11:48] <nicedreams> all game manufacturers needs to make games for linux or use opengl more
[11:48] <Setite> well i play CS only... and VTM : Bloodlines...
[11:48] <nicedreams> doesn't HL2 work in linux?
[11:48] <Setite> vladster - transgamer is cedega
[11:48] <Setite> moreover transgaming
[11:48] <Setite> yea its supposed to
[11:49] <nicedreams> NICE
[11:49] <Setite> i havent had a chance to try it
[11:49] <crimsun> it does w/ cedega 4.2
[11:49] <Setite> so im pretty sure that i will be able to abandon windows completely
[11:49] <nicedreams> well...if i can get quake to run 10000000000 times faster on the same machine in linux than in windows, then i can't wait for the HL2 port
[11:49] <crimsun> (or point2play 1.3.2, which pulls cedega 4.2)
[11:49] <vladster> I knew they changed butr I forgot what to
[11:49] <Pyraine> oook that took, HELL of alot longer than i expected
[11:49] <Setite> it wont happen
[11:49] <Setite> steam and valve have no love for linux
[11:49] <nicedreams> bastards
[11:49] <nicedreams> i have no love for them then
[11:49] <nicedreams> lol
[11:49] <Pyraine> argh supernewb isnt here
[11:50] <Setite> welcome back pyraine
[11:50] <Setite> i am supernewb
[11:50] <Pyraine> oooh
[11:50] <Setite> i like changing my name
[11:50] <Pyraine> hehe
[11:50] <Pyraine> i got upset
[11:50] <Pyraine> because grub error'd
[11:50] <Setite> it did
[11:50] <Setite> thats not good
[11:50] <Pyraine> but then i installed ubuntu again
[11:50] <Pyraine> and it was fine
[11:50] <Setite> oh ok
[11:50] <Setite> then we are happy again
[11:50] <Pyraine> yep :)
[11:50] <Pyraine> now it's just the modem problem
[11:50] <Setite> now refresh my memory... you were having a modem problme right
[11:51] <Setite> ok
[11:51] <Setite> and its still a problem?
[11:51] <Pyraine> yes
[11:51] <Pyraine> well
[11:51] <Pyraine> i have no idea how to install it
[11:51] <Pyraine> although
[11:51] <Pyraine> on my windows account
[11:51] <Pyraine> i have the driver
[11:51] <Pyraine> eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb
[11:51] <Setite> http://www.thecaretaker.org.uk/drivers.htm#usb
[11:52] <Setite> oh yea
[11:52] <Setite> we'll try the ecia
[11:52] <Pyraine> so what was the thing i should type into terminal?
[11:52] <Setite> im looking
[11:52] <carajean2> hey setite
[11:52] <Setite> hello
[11:53] <Setite> lets discuss here
[11:53] <Setite> im helping you and pyraine
[11:53] <Pyraine> that must be a headache
[11:53] <Setite> ogra
[11:53] <Setite> nah i enjoy it
[11:54] <ogra> Pyraine: copy it to your home dir in linux
[11:54] <Setite> i forgot the command
[11:54] <Pyraine> well if you scrolled waaaaaay up from about 4 hours ago, you will see the line i need to put into terminal
[11:54] <ogra> Pyraine: then open a terminal
[11:54] <ogra> Pyraine: type: sudo dpkg -i eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb
[11:54] <Setite> yea he has you
[11:54] <Pyraine> i thought eciadsl-usermode_0.10-1_i386.deb has <> around it?
[11:54] <ogra> Pyraine: nope
[11:54] <Pyraine> ok
[11:55] <Pyraine> and then afterwards
[11:55] <Pyraine> will it put like a shortcut on the desktop to connect or whatever?
[11:55] <Setite> shouldnt have too
[11:55] <Setite> to*
[11:55] <Pyraine> will it auto connect?
[11:55] <Setite> it should
[11:55] <Setite> just like windows would
[11:55] <Setite> it should connect when you boot
[11:55] <Setite> yea i thought there were <> too
[11:55] <ogra> Pyraine: it will only install the module ... i'm not eve sure this works, but there is no other driver for this thing
[11:56] <Pyraine> another thing, once im on linux, if it does work, can i get irc for it?
[11:56] <Setite> hopefully the ecia driver works
[11:56] <Setite> of course
[11:56] <Setite> there is IRC for everything
[11:56] <Setite> ogra - does gaim have irc?>
[11:56] <ogra> Pyraine: you still need to ste up the stuff...
[11:56] <ogra> Pyraine: set
[11:56] <Pyraine> ste?
[11:56] <Pyraine> ooh
[11:56] <Pyraine> where would i set it up? :o
[11:57] <ogra> Pyraine: load the module ..... configure it to be loaded on boot
[11:57] <ogra> Pyraine: set up the connection .....
[11:57] <Setite> lets pray that the modem is globespan based
[11:57] <Pyraine> apologies for my newbness but i dont know how to do any of this?
[11:57] <ogra> Pyraine: start with installing the package
[11:57] <Pyraine> im making a .txt file to follow all this, heh
[11:57] <euphoria> hi all and merry cristmas :)
[11:57] <Setite> "Disable or delete dabusb module:
[11:57] <Setite> If /etc/hotplug/blacklist exists, edit it and add a line containing the word 'dabusb' (without the quotes) to it. Restart Linux.
[11:57] <Setite> Otherwise, type :
[11:57] <Setite> # modprobe -r dabusb && rm -f $(modprobe -l | grep dabusb) && depmod -a"
[11:58] <Setite> ??
[11:58] <AlexandreGL> hi
[11:58] <Setite> i think the site has a tutorial
[11:58] <ogra> Pyraine: once in gnome, you can use xchat for irc... its there by default
[11:58] <Setite> it seems fedora based
[11:58] <Pyraine> yeah
[11:58] <Pyraine> right im gonna give this a go
[11:58] <Pyraine> i will come back, either way to let you know how it turns out
[11:59] <Setite> ogra i think me and cara are having issues
[11:59] <Setite> he cant get in his box
[11:59] <Setite> "i cannot start the xserver(your graphical interface would u like to view the xserver output to diagnose prob "
[11:59] <Setite> something like that
[11:59] <nicedreams> login and do a update/dist-upgrade/upgrade
[11:59] <AlexandreGL> I need help... I installed Ubuntu but now I can<t change my screen resolution... The only one that I can take is 512x384... But I want 1024x768...