[12:00] <ogra> Pyraine: start with step 3 after you installed the package: http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/tutorial.php?lang=en
[12:00] <nicedreams> xorgconfig
[12:00] <nicedreams> or
[12:00] <nicedreams> xf86configure
[12:00] <euphoria> when un put ./scanmodem the error "grep: /etc/modprobe.conf: No existe el fichero o el directorio"(is spanish thast say do not existe) how to put it?
[12:00] <Setite> nice - who you talkign to
[12:00] <ogra> Setite: has he loaded the module properly ? he stopped talking to me last time i asked him
[12:00] <Setite> ummmm
[12:00] <nicedreams> who ever is asking for video help
[12:01] <ogra> nicedreams: its a nvidia driver prob :)
[12:01] <carajean2> anybody know how to get past the you have mail thing in the booting screen
[12:01] <nicedreams> oh...pesky nvidia on ubuntu
[12:01] <nicedreams> for some reason doesn't work too well.  I get it to work with no problem on regular debian
[12:01] <Setite> yea i walked carajean through it step by step...but somethign went wrong it seems
[12:01] <carajean2> yes i agree on the pesky nvidia thing
[12:01] <AlexandreGL> I need help... I installed Ubuntu but now I can<t change my screen resolution... The only one that I can take is 512x384... But I want 1024x768... Please contact me in a private chat...
[12:01] <ogra> nicedreams: it works great....
[12:02] <Setite> i mean what happened is what i recall was supposed to happen when i did it on fedora
[12:02] <nicedreams> ogra: are you using the test version?
[12:02] <carajean2> but now i cant log into ubuntu
[12:02] <Setite> xserver wont load
[12:02] <nicedreams> of ubuntu?
[12:02] <etorix> its aubuntu problem
[12:02] <ogra> nicedreams: if you didnt touch the config before :)
[12:02] <nicedreams> ogra: that must be my problem.  I keep trying everything the debian way
[12:02] <AlexandreGL> I need help... I installed Ubuntu but now I can<t change my screen resolution... The only one that I can take is 512x384... But I want 1024x768...
[12:02] <nicedreams> ogra: i just want to play quake3
[12:02] <ogra> nicedreams: currently i use warty,,,,, but i got anoteher testing box with hoary...
[12:02] <Setite> ogra
[12:02] <lifeless> AlexandreGL: I'm guessing that noone here has an answer for you
[12:02] <Setite> there he is
[12:02] <Setite> he's listening
[12:03] <euphoria> when un put ./scanmodem the error "grep: /etc/modprobe.conf: No existe el fichero o el directorio"(is spanish thast say do not existe) how to put it? is woarty version
[12:03] <lifeless> AlexandreGL: have you looked at the FAQ? There may be something in there...
[12:03] <carajean2> what about the you have new main thing
[12:03] <Setite> cara is "usr@usr:~$" at a black doslike screen
[12:03] <nicedreams> ogra: does hoary and nvidia work for you?  have you tested it?  I'm trying to see if it does work because i'm using hoary and they keep changing things
[12:03] <Setite> yea what is that new mail about
[12:03] <ogra> nicedreams: you should always look at the wiki... there is mostly described the ubuntu way of things
[12:03] <carajean2> yes it is
[12:03] <etorix> type :mail
[12:03] <nicedreams> ogra: i guess i'll rtfm more
[12:03] <etorix> read it
[12:03] <Setite> watch it say: haha you messed up dumb fool
[12:04] <carajean2> ok i put somethin out now what
[12:04] <nicedreams> ogra: i just keep getting segmentation faults in glxgears and glxinfo ever since i upgrade to hoary
[12:04] <Setite> whats it say cara
[12:04] <crimsun> nicedreams: known issue.
[12:04] <nicedreams> aw...i figured it was just hoary
[12:04] <ogra> nicedreams:  xorg....
[12:04] <nicedreams> yea
[12:05] <carajean2> >N 1 root@localhost.lo The Dec 23 16:04 30/1356 debconf:configure libraw
[12:05] <carajean2> that one of three hold on
[12:05] <Setite> wtf
[12:05] <etorix> no .. i have xorg and nvidia on my debian-amd64 no problem
[12:05] <nicedreams> etroix: ooooooooooooooooo how you get it to work?
[12:05] <AlexandreGL> I need help... I installed Ubuntu but now I can<t change my screen resolution... The only one that I can take is 512x384... But I want 1024x768... This is very impostant... I can<t do anything in this very small resolution....
[12:05] <carajean2> skippin the root and date stuff
[12:06] <nicedreams> etroix: i've tried everything i usually do to get it to work on sarge
[12:06] <nicedreams> etroix: and now i'm on ubuntu hoary
[12:06] <carajean2> 27/1143 debconf:configuring x-ttci
[12:06] <etorix> this is a debootstrapped si amd64
[12:06] <etorix> sid*
[12:06] <ogra> carajean2: press n
[12:06] <nicedreams> etorix: how's it run?
[12:06] <carajean2> 19/844 cron<root@usr> test -e
[12:06] <etorix> fine
[12:06] <nicedreams> fast as hell i bet
[12:07] <etorix> but its a system built up over time
[12:07] <carajean2> ok i did orga
[12:07] <Setite> etorix man
[12:07] <etorix> whereas ubuntu is installed
[12:07] <Setite> i may need your help next saturday
[12:07] <Setite> so be on
[12:07] <carajean2> its waitin for somethin
[12:07] <ogra> carajean2: its a commandline mail app.....with n you get the next message... with q or x you quit
[12:07] <AlexandreGL> I need help... I installed Ubuntu but now I can<t change my screen resolution... The only one that I can take is 512x384... But I want 1024x768...
[12:07] <|QuaD-> i might need your help a year from last tuesday
[12:07] <etorix> heh .. ill have Kanotix64 by then
[12:07] <Setite> wtf is that
[12:08] <Setite> i may need help debootstrapping or whatever
[12:08] <Setite> so i can have 32bit libs as well as the 64bit one
[12:08] <|QuaD-> AlexandreGL: how is your xfree config file?
[12:08] <nicedreams> does hoary have a problem with nvidia-glx?  it seems like it's not fully installed regardless of how many times i uninstall and reinstall it
[12:08] <ogra> nicedreams: yep
[12:08] <etorix> yeah ,, i want to try a debootstrap of ubuntu
[12:08] <|QuaD-> nicedreams: works fine here
[12:08] <thoreauputic> AlexandreGL: try running ` sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 `
[12:08] <Setite> cara did you exit the mail client yet
[12:08] <nicedreams> arg...  back to the drawing board
[12:09] <carajean2> no it likes me so much it wont let me leave
[12:09] <Setite> restart it again
[12:09] <etorix> hoary has a problem with nvidi-glx
[12:09] <Setite> and at that first setting
[12:09] <Setite> say yes
[12:09] <carajean2> ok
[12:09] <crimsun> etorix: the diversions are fixed in -10
[12:10] <carajean2> i am
[12:10] <|QuaD-> etorix: no it doesn't
[12:10] <|QuaD-> etorix: or last i checked it didn't
[12:10] <nicedreams> nvidia-glx has an issue on mine then
[12:10] <Setite> etorix
[12:10] <Setite> you shoudl get windows
[12:10] <etorix> im sure theyll fix it .. its a symlink ting
[12:10] <nicedreams> windows?
[12:10] <Setite> and compare the ffmpeg encodign speed in win and lin64
[12:10] <nicedreams> oh
[12:10] <nicedreams> lol
[12:10] <|QuaD-> etorix: what is wrong with your nvidia-glx?
[12:10] <crimsun> etorix: your diversions are fixed.
[12:10] <nicedreams> wrong koolaid
[12:10] <Setite> thats what i plan to do
[12:10] <etorix> <|QuaD- .. ive done 3 installs of hoary 64-bit
[12:10] <Setite> to prove the superiority of linux
[12:11] <|QuaD-> etorix: mine works... what seems to be your problem
[12:11] <nicedreams> nvidia-glx seems to not fully install on hoary for me either
[12:11] <Setite> what are the major changes in hoary?
[12:11] <nicedreams> can someone help me on that maybe?
[12:11] <crimsun> nicedreams: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4937
[12:11] <nicedreams> thx for link..checking now.........
[12:11] <fcomtois> can anybody give me a server address where i can download mplayer ?
[12:11] <|QuaD-> is this nvidia-glx issue a recent one? i didn't update today
[12:11] <etorix> im going to try a debootstrap next .. so its all downloaded  .. no cd-software
[12:12] <crimsun> |QuaD-: an issue as of xorg .7
[12:12] <|QuaD-> crimsun: i must not have updated recently
[12:12] <crimsun> etorix: from -9: * debian/nvidia-glx.postrm.in: Fix /usr/X11R6/lib32/libGL.so.1 diversion removal.
[12:12] <Setite> does ubuntu take a long time to load
[12:13] <carajean2> yes
[12:13] <Setite> fedora loaded alot slower than windwos
[12:13] <carajean2> ubuntu slow loading
[12:13] <|QuaD-> Setite: 45 seconds here (i believe)
[12:13] <crimsun> about one minute here
[12:13] <Setite> hmmmm... mine took forever
[12:13] <etorix> so how does that help a install from cd?
[12:13] <Setite> from pressing power to desktop was probably around 2 minutes
[12:13] <crimsun> etorix: it's not even an issue unless you're running hoary
[12:14] <crimsun> etorix: what was your precise issue?
[12:14] <Setite> cara is it there yet?
[12:14] <etorix> hoary is all ive got
[12:14] <Setite> cara are you seeing the nvidia splash screen?
[12:14] <nicedreams> crimsun: that sounds like my problem.  How do i change the symblink?  I just want to make sure I do it the right way.
[12:15] <crimsun> nicedreams: sudo ln -sf /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so.1.0.6629 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a
[12:15] <nicedreams> thx
[12:16] <Setite> crimsun
[12:16] <Setite> what is that
[12:16] <Setite> ln and -sf
[12:16] <Setite> see thats why i want a books
[12:16] <Setite> so i can understand all that crap
[12:16] <crimsun> see ln(1)
[12:16] <|QuaD-> Setite: man
[12:16] <Setite> yes i am a man
[12:16] <nicedreams> crimsun: do i have to restart x?
[12:16] <crimsun> nicedreams: yes.
[12:16] <nicedreams> k
[12:16] <nicedreams> thx
[12:16] <etorix> i got stuck in a 640x480 resolution .. nvidia-glx installed but GLX wasnt ever loaded.. removal of nvidia-glx attempts put me in a impossible situation
[12:16] <crimsun> Setite: man 1 ln
[12:16] <thoreauputic> Setite: making a soft link (symlink) ln -s
[12:16] <Setite> see ya in a bit nice
[12:17] <crimsun> etorix: in warty?
[12:17] <nicedreams> brb if it doesn't work...  if it does...i'll be playing quake3 urban terror :)
[12:17] <etorix> no
[12:17] <etorix>  i only have hoary 64-bit
[12:17] <crimsun> etorix: how are you strapping up to hoary?
[12:17] <etorix> sec
[12:18] <Setite> ok what book would have a list of all these commands
[12:18] <etorix> im not .. its a iso
[12:18] <|QuaD-> Setite: man pages
[12:18] <|QuaD-> better
[12:18] <|QuaD-> and free
[12:18] <Setite> btw.. i like this sudo thing instead of root... good job ubuntu
[12:18] <Setite> i want a book though
[12:18] <Setite> im stubborn... i like books
[12:19] <|QuaD-> Setite: o'reilly has one that just basically lists the man pages
[12:19] <Setite> ill have them for when i FUBAR my install and need to find a way out
[12:19] <Setite> linux in a nutshell?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> Setite: have a look here: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html
[12:19] <Setite> thats not a book
[12:19] <Setite> is it
[12:19] <crimsun> etorix: then wait a day and recreate/download a new iso so today's changes will be included.
[12:20] <|QuaD-> Setite: i believe so
[12:20] <Setite> im serious when i say i want a book... i want something tangible
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Setite: I can't really dcc you a book - but tuxfiles is a good place to start
[12:20] <Setite> ooh yea you can
[12:20] <etorix> yeah .. a deboostrap was my plan
[12:20] <Setite> thanks...
[12:20] <Setite> i forgot abotu ebooks
[12:20] <Pyraine> =\
[12:20] <Setite> now i just gotta remember where that channel was
[12:20] <heero17> :S
[12:20] <crimsun> etorix: well if you debootstrap manually, it will work now aside from the .so -> .a error
[12:20] <Pyraine> it's saying it doesn't recognize the format on my floppy :'(
[12:21] <Pyraine> so i can't get the files out of it
[12:21] <etorix> yeah .. im dl-ing a Kanorix64 iso atm
[12:21] <heero17> maybe
[12:21] <heero17> u dont have the mtools?
[12:21] <etorix> Kanotix64*
[12:21] <heero17> is for use floppydisks
[12:21] <etorix> a preview for testing
[12:21] <heero17> aa ok
[12:22] <nicedreams> works great
[12:23] <nicedreams> but now how i do get the mouse to show up in the game?
[12:23] <nicedreams> lol
[12:23] <nicedreams> quake3
[12:23] <crimsun> see the linux gamers' faq
[12:23] <crimsun> http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/
[12:24] <nicedreams> crimsun: thx again for the help
[12:25] <nicedreams> beats 6 hours in google
[12:25] <Setite> AHHH i cant remember what network that ebook channel was on
[12:26] <Setite> YES
[12:26] <ogra> Pyraine: there is a wrong entry in the fstab for floppy, change auto to vfat on the floppy line
[12:29] <elcid> :)
[12:29] <Pyraine> where is fstab?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> Pyraine: /etc/fstab
[12:29] <elcid> en /etc/fstab
[12:30] <thoreauputic> Pyraine: you need sudo to edit it
[12:30] <thoreauputic> Pyraine: for instance sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[12:30] <Setite> if anyone everneeds books
[12:30] <Setite> irc.nullus.net
[12:33] <davmor2> I have a new 64bit amd system what repository support it for extra program and apps
[12:33] <elcid> oh a santa claws , again
[12:34] <elcid> why santa claws , i want a amd 64 too
[12:34] <elcid> ;)
[12:34] <etorix> just un-comment th ones in etc/apt/sources.list
[12:34] <davmor2> I've saved up for 8 months
[12:35] <elcid> :O i think do the same for the next year
[12:35] <davmor2> etorix done that but because of the 64bit not everything I used to have is available so I wondered if there were any more repos with more apps
[12:36] <Setite> oh wow... i didnt know these ebooks were warez
[12:36] <etorix> sec
[12:36] <Setite> haha i feel dumb now
[12:36] <elcid> well davmor2 if ubuntu is limited for u, see the portage of gentoo " we repository" ;)
[12:36] <Setite> it has the o'reilly books... that cant be legal
[12:37] <etorix> hoary main restricted ..hoary universe ..  i had
[12:37] <davmor2> two of the ones from the ubuntu starter guide don't work at all
[12:38] <kalua> hello
[12:38] <elcid> hello
[12:38] <elcid> kalua
[12:38] <davmor2> etorix are they stable enough for a realitive newbie
[12:38] <thoreauputic> Setite: depends what the license is - possibly some O'Reilly books are open/ public domain - you could check on the O'Reilly site I guess
[12:38] <kalua> hello
[12:38] <vladster> california dre3aming done to electronic trance, really wierd especially when you heard it when it wa first re4leased
[12:38] <etorix> hoary aint .. no
[12:38] <elcid> kalua where are u from
[12:39] <etorix> davmor2:  just dont dist-upgrade yet awhile
[12:39] <davmor2> etorix okay ta
[12:49] <Grexo> figures........
[12:49] <Grexo> turns out there is a bug with ubuntu and windows xp booting
[12:49] <Grexo> i knew it, everyone is like oh its working fine, blah blah
[12:49] <Grexo> ubuntu fixed it tho in array 2 :)
[12:50] <Grexo>  Upgraded parted by several upstream versions; while this changed API/ABI so several other packages needed to be rebuilt, this is believed finally to correct the problem where Ubuntu installations rendered Windows unbootable with certain partition table layouts and BIOS versions (#1566). Please test.
[12:50] <Grexo> i knew i was not crazy
[12:50] <Grexo> :)
[12:50] <Setite> ogra
[12:50] <Grexo> ubuntu right on the ball
[12:50] <Setite> you still workign with cara
[12:50] <Setite> this angers me
[12:50] <ogra> why ?
[12:51] <Setite> just askng
[12:51] <Setite> he said you were
[12:51] <ogra> he broke his X config badly
[12:51] <Setite> yea i know
[12:51] <Setite> but i dunno how
[12:51] <ogra> we just repair it
[12:51] <Setite> you did
[12:51] <Setite> so its all good now?
[12:51] <ogra> not yet
[12:51] <Setite> well i wonder what happened
[12:51] <ogra> he broke it, he edited the config
[12:51] <Setite> well yea but i dunno how
[12:52] <Setite> unless he didnt do what i said verbatim
[12:52] <Setite> i just read off each step
[12:52] <ogra> me neither, but we get it sorted i think
[12:52] <Setite> so as to make sure he missed nothing
[12:52] <Setite> do you know what mistake was made?
[12:52] <ogra> there are only two steps
[12:52] <Setite> well there is the installation through terminal
[12:53] <Setite> then the editing of the two configs
[12:53] <ogra> to make nvidia work
[12:53] <ogra> nope, no editing
[12:53] <ogra> two commands:
[12:53] <Setite> it says edit
[12:53] <ogra> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:53] <ogra> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:53] <ogra> thats all
[12:53] <Setite>        * Modules Section:
[12:53] <Setite>                * Comment these out:
[12:53] <Setite>                * #     Load    "GLcore"
[12:53] <Setite>                * #     Load    "dri"
[12:53] <Setite>                * Make sure this is enabled:
[12:53] <Setite>                *       Load    "glx"
[12:53] <Setite>        * Device Section:
[12:53] <Setite>                * Change "nv" to "nvidia"
[12:53] <Setite>                * Driver         "nvidia"
[12:53] <Setite>        * DRI Section:
[12:53] <ogra> hey
[12:53] <Setite>                * Comment this out:
[12:53] <ogra> stop
[12:53] <Setite>                #Section "DRI"
[12:53] <Setite>                #       Mode    0666
[12:53] <Pozac> easy on the paste there
[12:53] <Setite>                #EndSection
[12:53] <Setite> the tut says to do that
[12:54] <ogra> STOP
[12:54] <Setite> yea i did
[12:54] <Setite> sorry i didnt really how long it was
[12:54] <Setite> dude what... it stopped already
[12:54] <ogra> Setite: for the next time: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:54] <ogra> Setite: only the two commands, nothing else
[12:54] <Setite> yea we did that
[12:54] <Setite> and it didnt work
[12:54] <ogra> dont edit, its all done by the second command
[12:55] <Pozac> Setite, when you flood, there is a delay for each line
[12:55] <Setite> oh ok... well i didnt see the delay
[12:55] <Setite> and telling me to stop twice does nothing so you know... because once i pressed enter it was done
[12:56] <Pozac> Setite, you must (!) read some IRC etiquette before joining
[12:56] <Setite> i knew the etiquette... it didnt look that long...
[12:57] <TommyNight> Hi
[12:57] <Setite> i didnt think 14 lines was a federal offense
[12:57] <TommyNight> germany here
[12:57] <Pozac> Setite, it's an international offens
[12:57] <TommyNight> german here
[12:57] <Pozac> World Police is heading for your address as we speak.
[12:57] <ogra> TommyNight: here too
[12:57] <Setite> oh ok
[12:57] <Pozac> ;)
[12:57] <TommyNight> ...
[12:58] <TommyNight> DEUTSCHE :))))))))
[12:58] <bigbubba> hi is there something special that has to be setup with ubuntu to get mail to work thru php. I downloaded sendmail to the best of my ability i changed the sendmail.cf file to include my smtp for my isp but for some reason i can't get php to send the email using the mail function is there more to it than that. Basically what i'm asking do i have to configure smtp in some kinda file in ubuntu?
[12:58] <ogra> Setite: i must correct me, if you dont reboot after the two commands, you have to load the module manually to make it work....
[12:59] <Setite> yea
[01:00] <Setite> sudo modprobe nvidia
[01:00] <ogra> yep
[01:01] <Setite> yea well its all retarded... the edits are more of a confirmation that everything was changed...
[01:01] <Setite> was it the changing nv to nvidia?
[01:01] <Setite> thats the only thing i think could cause the problem
[01:02] <Pozac> bigbubba, I think Ubuntu uses postfix by default
[01:02] <Setite> or is it the disabling glcore and dri
[01:03] <ogra> Setite: it think it probably is a typo anywhere that wasnt there before or a similar thing, you never know :)
[01:03] <Pozac> bigbubba, there's some info on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupEmailHowto#set-up-outgoing-mail-postfix - I'm not sure about php though
[01:03] <Setite> is he done yet
[01:03] <Setite> he's not answering me very frequently
[01:03] <ogra> Setite: thats what nvidia-glx-config does
[01:04] <Setite> i know it does
[01:04] <ogra> nope, he is fighting with the gephical config tool
[01:04] <ogra> graphical
[01:04] <Setite> ok he says you havent replied to him in a bit
[01:04] <Setite> yea no need to correct spelling... i figured it out
[01:04] <bigbubba> well thats fine i can probably figure out the php part i just wasn't sure how to get it to do mail cause i'm guessing it uses some form of communication with a mail client to connect to the smtp server
[01:05] <Pozac> bigbubba, yeah, troubleshooting php is at least way easier when mail for sure works :)
[01:06] <Pozac> too.. much.. candy..
[01:06] <kergan> Pozac,  too much candy how about too much nuts
[01:06] <bigbubba> yeah i just don't think my mail is working at all honestly
[01:07] <Pozac> kergan, good to get the stomach going :)
[01:08] <usual> HO HO HO
[01:09] <bigbubba> i think i need to install and setup sendmail the only problem is i don't really understand what needs to be changed in it even after looking at the man
[01:09] <dr_willis> Wife went shopping ---> OH OH OH!
[01:09] <Pozac> bigbubba, why not postfix?
[01:09] <bigbubba> well postfix would be great too
[01:09] <bigbubba> whatever works ;)
[01:10] <bigbubba> i was just going by what the php guys were saying
[01:10] <bigbubba> so you said its installed by default?
[01:11] <Pozac> unless sendmail install removed it
[01:12] <bigbubba> well is there some kinda documentation other than the man page on this? and is the command postfix? so i can try to find some info on it
[01:12] <Pozac> bigbubba, did you even look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupEmailHowto#set-up-outgoing-mail-postfix ?
[01:13] <Pozac> bigbubba, also, postfix is in the supported distribution
[01:13] <bigbubba> no i missed the link thanks for posting again sorry
[01:13] <Pozac> ok cool :)
[01:13] <ogra> Setite: sorted
[01:14] <Setite> awesome
[01:14] <lifeless> ~.
[01:16] <Setite> are you running him through the proper way
[01:16] <Setite> lemme get this straing
[01:16] <Setite> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:16] <Setite> then
[01:16] <Setite> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:16] <Setite> then
[01:16] <Setite> sudo modprobe nvidia
[01:16] <Setite> then to test : glxgears
[01:18] <zenwhen> Merry God Day :)
[01:18] <Pozac> And your nick is a girls nick.
[01:18] <Pozac> :)
[01:18] <Pozac> Merry christmas
[01:19] <Setite> it is?
[01:20] <Setite> its the name of a type of vampire... how is it a girls nick
[01:20] <Setite> formerly the name of a follower of the Egyptian god Set
[01:20] <Pozac> Dunno, probably the -ite
[01:21] <kebac> it just sounds girlish
[01:21] <Setite> right
[01:21] <Setite> ur odd
[01:21] <Pozac> very
[01:22] <Setite> imma go read linux in a nutshell now
[01:23] <bigbubba> dang get all the way to the end of the wiki and i don't have postmap haha that stinks
[01:27] <ogra> Setite: i just readback... you need indeed to restart the X session before glxgears in the above
[01:27] <Setite> well what if he didnt
[01:27] <Setite> we skipped the restart
[01:28] <Setite> and ran glxgear
[01:29] <Pozac> after the module has been loaded, X must be restarted
[01:29] <netmonk> Merry Christmas, Ubuntu fans and gurus
[01:29] <Pozac> Merry Christmas, netmonk
[01:30] <bigbubba> hm pozac you have a minute i don't wanna bug you but i'm confused i followd the wiki the only problem i see that might be an issue is i can't find the postmap command
[01:30] <bigbubba> even with a locate and which and find
[01:30] <nicedreams> ever since I got quake3 working...the mouse stays in the top left corner.  The buttons work though.  Sound like anything common?
[01:30] <Lathiat2> if you use rsync apt sources -- does it rsync the packages list?
[01:31] <Pozac> bigbubba, hmm..I think it's a type..should be portmap
[01:31] <bigbubba> ok
[01:31] <bigbubba> let me try that thanks
[01:31] <Setite> ogra PM
[01:35] <nicedreams> any thoughts on the mouse issue?
[01:35] <nicedreams> i have quake3 installed on a fat drive
[01:35] <nicedreams> does that make a difference for permissions or what not?
[01:35] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: mouse doesn't work in quake3
[01:35] <Lathiat2> ?
[01:36] <nicedreams> it stays in the top left
[01:36] <Pozac> stays in top left corner
[01:36] <Lathiat2> thats an issue i've seen a couple times, no idea what causes it reinstalls have fixed it sometimes
[01:36] <nicedreams> guess that'll have to do
[01:36] <nicedreams> i've been installing HL2 for over 40mins on my Winxp box
[01:36] <nicedreams> geez
[01:36] <nicedreams> updates are loooong
[01:36] <Pozac> not for ubuntu
[01:36] <nicedreams> i wish
[01:37] <Pozac> IMO, that's pretty snappy.
[01:38] <nicedreams> having quake3 installed on a fat partition wouldn't effect the permissions or something for the mouse would it?
[01:38] <Pozac> no
[01:39] <bigbubba> hmm strange for some reason when i do the echo command it says mail is not found
[01:39] <Pozac> the mouse isn't set to something wicked in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[01:39] <nicedreams> looks all standard...i'll post it in a sec
[01:39] <Pozac> just guessing, either the device or maybe just the driver
[01:39] <Pozac> nicedreams, in #flood or PM
[01:39] <nicedreams> 4 lines
[01:40] <nicedreams> i'll do it slow
[01:40] <Pozac> oh well
[01:40] <nicedreams> Section "InputDevice"
[01:40] <nicedreams>         Identifier      "Configured Mouse"
[01:40] <nicedreams>         Driver          "mouse"
[01:40] <nicedreams>         Option          "CorePointer"
[01:40] <nicedreams>         Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
[01:40] <nicedreams>         Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"
[01:40] <nicedreams>         Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
[01:40] <nicedreams>         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[01:40] <nicedreams> err
[01:40] <Pozac> 4???
[01:40] <nicedreams> my bad
[01:40] <nicedreams> more than 4
[01:40] <nicedreams> didn't want the top lines above corepointer but oh well
[01:40] <etorix> flood warning
[01:41] <nicedreams> won't happen again ... sry
[01:41] <nicedreams> that looks right though
[01:41] <Quest-Master> When I start up k3b, it says I need to install cdrao
[01:41] <Quest-Master> Can't find it in the apt-get repositories though
[01:41] <etorix> looks fine
[01:41] <Quest-Master> Do I need to build it from source or is there a .deb for it?
[01:42] <ogra> Quest-Master: its in universe or multiverse
[01:42] <Quest-Master> I can't find it through apt-cache search
[01:42] <Pozac> nicedreams, that looks really standard
[01:42] <Pozac> :(
[01:42] <Quest-Master> :o
[01:42] <nicedreams> pozac: must be a quake3 thing then
[01:42] <ogra> cdrdao - Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs
[01:43] <ogra> Section: universe/otherosfs
[01:43] <Pozac> nicedreams, apparently, it's fixed in 1.32b.. hmm
[01:43] <ogra> Quest-Master: on warty
[01:44] <nicedreams> damnit... i don't think i have b
[01:44] <bigbubba> err where is the mail command what package is it in :(
[01:44] <nicedreams> pozac: good looking out
[01:44] <Pozac> nicedreams, man I love google
[01:44] <nicedreams> lol
[01:44] <Quest-Master> ogra: Yeah, I'm on warty
[01:44] <Pozac> it's the answer to all life's questions
[01:45] <Pozac> literally
[01:45] <ogra> bigbubba: dpkg -S `which mail`
[01:45] <nicedreams> well....HL2 finnaly updated on my xp box...
[01:45] <ogra> bigbubba: copy n paste to a terminal
[01:45] <Pozac> you just have to enter the right words
[01:45] <nicedreams> i need to learn some more special search words
[01:45] <ogra> Quest-Master: seen above ?
[01:46] <gwildor_> earlier today, someone sent a link...maybe yesterday, anyways somoneposted a link that had like a "how to do everything" in ubntu, list........any idea what i am talking about?
[01:46] <Pozac> nicedreams, i used 'quake3 linux mouse' :)
[01:46] <bigbubba> ok thanks
[01:47] <nicedreams> pozac: you have q3 installed?
[01:47] <bigbubba> i think its just a symbolic link though is it not
[01:47] <Pozac> nicedreams, no
[01:47] <nicedreams> oh
[01:47] <Pozac> nicedreams, in google
[01:47] <nicedreams> can you tell me if this is newest
[01:47] <nicedreams> linuxq3apoint-1.32.x86.run
[01:47] <bigbubba> i need ot make a link to /user/sbin/sendmail ? cause postfix makes it own sendmail library?
[01:47] <Pozac> nicedreams, I think 1.32b is newer
[01:47] <nicedreams> k...thx
[01:47] <nicedreams> i'll get it later....  i'm drooling over half life 2 now since it's updated
[01:48] <nicedreams> ttl
[01:48] <nicedreams>  :)
[01:48] <etorix> look on linuxmilitia
[01:48] <nicedreams> without linux, there would be no future
[01:48] <Pozac> nicedreams, the b is the client only version
[01:48] <Pozac> dang
[01:51] <bigbubba> yeah thats what i was i had to make a symbolic link to it at least mail is working now its setting in the que saying temp disabled defered transport not sure what that means but i'm making headway :)
[01:52] <lamont> bigbubba: postfix delivers /usr/sbin/sendmail, just like every other MTA
[01:52] <bigbubba> yeah i had to link the mail command to that though
[01:53] <bigbubba> so i could the echo "postfix is working | mail me@home.com
[01:53] <bigbubba> with the other "
[01:53] <bigbubba> otherwise i had a mail command not found
[01:53] <thoreauputic> Bob, a file system you have to defrag all the time ;)
[01:54] <thoreauputic> heh - wrong window sorry
[01:54] <Setite> ogra PM
[01:55] <Setite> OGRA
[01:55] <Setite> you there?
[01:56] <bigbubba> lamont you happen to know what deferred transport means and how to fix it i'm searching google but not finding anything
[01:56] <lamont> are you in a cable service?
[01:57] <lamont> ISP that is.
[01:57] <bigbubba> yes
[01:57] <lamont> odds are very good that you just need to configure relayhost to your ISP's machine, and all might be well.
[01:57] <lamont> brb
[01:57] <bigbubba> ok thanks
[01:58] <sid77> merry xmas
[02:01] <bigbubba> i think i found it
[02:01] <bigbubba> put the smtp server in relayhost = correct in the mail.cf?
[02:10] <Setite> whats SBA for nvidia?
[02:11] <etorix> sideband addressing
[02:14] <gwildor_> earlier today, someone sent a link...maybe yesterday, anyways somoneposted a link that had like a "how to do everything" in ubntu, list........any idea what i am talking about?
[02:17] <bigbubba> woo hoo i finally got the thing working :)
[02:18] <carajean> anyone know how to enable fast write for the video card
[02:18] <carajean> ??
[02:21] <etorix> carajean:  do that in bios .. if its supported
[02:21] <kebac> i think fast writes need to be enabled from drivers
[02:22] <crimsun> they need to be enabled in both bios and the video drivers
[02:22] <jeffbax> hello, has anyone else ran into terribly corrupted graphics in tux racer using ATi drivers ?
[02:23] <etorix> nvclock will get ya more action then fastwrites os sba
[02:23] <crimsun> though some mucking can be done w/ setpci(8)
[02:23] <etorix> s/os/or
[02:24] <Setite> kebac it is enabled
[02:24] <Setite> etorix
[02:24] <Setite> nvclock available for linux?
[02:25] <etorix> go to #nvclock
[02:25] <etorix> its in debian even
[02:26] <crimsun> and in 'universe'
[02:35] <Setite> i dunno what universe is
[02:36] <vladster> will ubuntu fit into a 2 gig drive?
[02:37] <vladster> I suppose it would
[02:39] <Setite> yea i bet it would
[02:39] <Setite> but why
[02:39] <Setite> you gotta be able to get more than that
[02:40] <crimsun> Setite: it's a repository
[02:41] <Setite> well i know that
[02:41] <Setite> but i dunno where it si
[02:41] <Pornoclause> is there a way in postfix to keep email from being sent from php as www-data@whatever_is_n_/etc/mailname ?
[02:41] <crimsun> Setite: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/kde/talkback/1101662715/view?searchterm=universe
[02:42] <crimsun> Setite: also see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/view?searchterm=universe
[02:46] <Setite> ok thanks... ok time to hit the sack... i work graveyard so i need some rest
[02:47] <vladster> well if I install a 2 gig laptop drive in it, i might have room to shoe horn a skinny cdrw drivew in it as well with a little case modding
[02:47] <Setite> only one 5.25 bay?
[02:47] <vladster> yep
[02:47] <nix000> anyone help me integrate nautilus with mplay6er
[02:48] <Setite> thats what i think makes linux so undesirable for developers and such... the wide amount of people using it because its free and doesnt need a good pc
[02:48] <vladster> the case is only 3"high by 8"deep and 10" wide
[02:49] <SetiteAFK> oh... one of those kind
[02:49] <SetiteAFK> that you place monitor above
[02:49] <vladster> I figure nobody at work will try to mess with it
[02:49] <SetiteAFK> yea imma get one of those for a HTPC
[02:49] <vladster> you got it
[02:49] <SetiteAFK> a small acrylic one
[02:49] <vladster> Unisys CWD5001
[02:50] <vladster> enough functionality to do the job without the bells and whistles
[02:51] <usual> merry christmas
[03:21] <Arricka> so I know this is about Ubuntu, and you guys haven't officially started supporting mplayer yet, but would you know why it tells me it can't open VMG info when I try and play DVDs?
[03:21] <Freakwitch> question for the ubuntu laptopians in the house: has anyone gotten kismet to work with ubuntu?
[03:22] <xhoy> so i could not tell you at the current time ;-)
[03:22] <xhoy> maby to morow
[03:22] <xhoy> bye bye
[03:25] <sladen> Freakwitch: you need a card/driver that can be put in Monitor mode.  eg.  HostAP drivers compiled up and an Orinoco card
[03:25] <Freakwitch> I have the Atheros card, it works so far, though I'm not sure about Monitor mode
[03:26] <Freakwitch> I think it works because I can (kind of) get airsnort to work
[03:27] <kergan> in hoary alsa but be broke
[03:27] <Freakwitch> when I try to run kismet I get the following error: FATAL:  Unable to set up pidfile /var/run//kismet_server.pid, couldn't open for writing: Permission denied
[03:27] <Freakwitch> then I try to run it with sudo
[03:27] <Freakwitch> and get: FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory
[03:28] <Freakwitch> eth0 is not my wireless card, though; it is ath0
[03:28] <kergan> xmms crashes when alsa is loaded as the output sound devise
[03:28] <kergan> i am forsed to use oss
[03:28] <kergan> to play my mp3s
[03:30] <kergan> Freakwitch, hmm
[03:32] <Freakwitch> kergan: have you tried adjusting the alsa driver settings, ie, output device?
[03:32] <Freakwitch> I'm not running hoary, but I know alsa can be picky
[03:34] <crimsun> kergan: describe your configuration
[03:34] <crimsun> brb, call.
[03:35] <kergan> crimsun,  intel i845gl mobo with built in sound card
[03:35] <kergan> i have run hoary before with alsa working just fine
[03:36] <kergan> crimsun,  what do you exactly want to know
[03:36] <kergan> cause i can get that for you
[03:41] <kergan> Freakwitch,  no i havent tried that and i am nervous to do that
[03:41] <crimsun> kergan: using Warty, correct?
[03:41] <kergan> no hoary
[03:42] <crimsun> kergan: with Hoary's kernel?
[03:42] <kergan> 2.6.9
[03:43] <crimsun> right, so you're using ALSA 1.0.6 with libasound2 1.0.7
[03:43] <kergan> yes
[03:43] <crimsun> do you have the 'universe' repo enabled?
[03:43] <kergan> yes
[03:43] <crimsun> I recommend you `sudo apt-get install alsa-source', then read /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[03:44] <crimsun> if you follow those instructions, you will have upgraded ALSA to 1.0.7
[03:44] <kergan> i dont wnat to compile it my self
[03:44] <Lathiat2> a
[03:44] <kergan> crimsun,  ill just wate till alsa 1.0.7 is released by ubuntu
[03:45] <kergan> just so i dont have to compile it
[03:45] <kergan> lol
[03:45] <crimsun> kergan: it's already available
[03:45] <crimsun> kergan: 1.0.7 is in kernel 2.6.10, but it will not be available in Hoary for quite some time.
[03:45] <MShuttleW> in the spirit of xmas, im gonna do like shuttleworth does, offer a bounty!
[03:45] <MShuttleW> :)
[03:46] <kergan> crimsun,  so wate till thay release 2.6.10 then right??
[03:46] <crimsun> MShuttleW: awesome. :)
[03:46] <crimsun> MShuttleW: merrymas to you, too
[03:46] <MShuttleW> as soon as i figure out a pressing need in ubuntu :)
[03:47] <Lathiat2> so why the hell is your nick MShuttleW then?
[03:47] <crimsun> nah, that'd be sabdfl
[03:47] <MShuttleW> lathiat2:  Cause its the spirit of him
[03:47] <MShuttleW> :)
[03:47] <kergan> lol
[03:47] <Lathiat2> heh
[03:47] <MShuttleW> the xmas spirit is here to stay
[03:47] <LinuxSanta> better?
[03:47] <LinuxSanta> :)
[03:47] <Lathiat2> lol
[03:47] <kergan> and it ant going any ware thats for shure
[03:47] <crimsun> kergan: what precisely are your issues with ALSA 1.0.6 in Hoary?
[03:48] <kergan> it crashes xmms or says cant find alsa devise
[03:49] <LinuxSanta> actually i have a hidden motivation for the bounties
[03:49] <kergan> LinuxSanta,  of course
[03:49] <kergan> LinuxSanta,  dont we all
[03:49] <kergan> lol
[03:49] <crimsun> kergan: and what ALSA device is XMMS attempting to use?
[03:49] <kergan> crimsun,  the defult
[03:49] <LinuxSanta> kergan:  I mean, I want to get rid of microsoft once and for all for the average user's desktop
should be GNULinuxSanta</rms-mode>
[03:50] <LinuxSanta> and im trying to find the most pressing need that is holding linux back
[03:50] <LinuxSanta> ill have something by midnight :)
[03:50] <kergan> LinuxSanta,  i allready have
[03:50] <Lathiat2> quick, its 11:59 :P
[03:50] <crimsun> kergan: so in XMMS (1.2.10-2ubuntu1)'s ALSA configuration dialog, in the ALSA device section, "default" is listed?
[03:50] <LinuxSanta> lathiat2:  EST i mean
[03:50] <kergan> crimsun,  yess
[03:50] <LinuxSanta> lathiat2:  I fergot to say EST :)
[03:50] <Lathiat2> i was kidding :)
[03:50] <Lathiat2> its 10:50am here :)
[03:51] <calc> rewrite gnome in an oop language ;)
[03:51] <LinuxSanta> lol
[03:51] <crimsun> kergan: does `aplay foo.wav' work correctly?
[03:51] <calc> that is a fairly small bounty
[03:51] <Lathiat2> hah
[03:51] <kergan> crimsun,  i just fixed its self
[03:51] <kergan> ??
[03:51] <LinuxSanta> kergan so share :)
[03:51] <crimsun> kergan: come again?
[03:51] <LinuxSanta> if its good ill add a bounty for your idea
[03:52] <zenkov> Please somebody, show me default content of /etc/rc3.d in #flood
[03:52] <kergan> crimsun,  i had changed the alsa devise to hw0:0 then back to default and it works
[03:53] <ighost> did ubuntu screw  up anyone else's partition tables upon install>
[03:53] <kergan> LinuxSanta,  boinc@home (aka seti@home) how to run it win you log in to a terminal
[03:53] <LinuxSanta> ighost:  Known bug
[03:53] <LinuxSanta> ighost:  they are testing a fix now
[03:53] <ighost> LinuxSanta: ok thanks for the information, i guess i'll try ubuntu again when they get a fix ;)
[03:54] <crimsun> kergan: "hw0:0" is invalid syntax
[03:54] <kergan> ya ighost  i am trying the fix now
[03:54] <LinuxSanta> ighost:   Upgraded parted by several upstream versions; while this changed API/ABI so several other packages needed to be rebuilt, this is believed finally to correct the problem where Ubuntu installations rendered Windows unbootable with certain partition table layouts and BIOS versions (#1566). Please test.
[03:54] <crimsun> kergan: you must use "hw:0,0" instead
[03:54] <kergan> crimsun,  thats wot i ment
[03:54] <LinuxSanta> ighost were you using hoary or warty?
[03:54] <LinuxSanta> ighost:  you can download array 2 iso if you want
[03:54] <LinuxSanta> it may fix the problem
[03:54] <ighost> LinuxSanta: i tried warty a few weeks ago
[03:54] <crimsun> mdz: thanks for clearing up the 'member' question regarding MOTU.
[03:54] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  That was you?  :)
[03:55] <Kamion> yes
[03:55] <ighost> but i've been scared to try again
[03:55] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  ok
[03:55] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  ill give all the credit for you
[03:55] <Kamion> ighost: have you repaired the partition table since then?
[03:55] <LinuxSanta> :)
[03:55] <Kamion> oh, I don't care about credit, I was just slightly surprised :)
[03:55] <ighost> Kamion: i didn't try to repair, just repartitioned and got out backup cdrs
[03:55] <kergan> LinuxSanta,  better yet put the boinc client on the repos
[03:55] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  i actually was surprised it was a recognized bug now
[03:56] <kergan> LinuxSanta,  and have it start up win log in at gui
[03:56] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  im going to try array 2 myself now
[03:56] <Kamion> ighost: then I'd *definitely* appreciate you testing Array CD 2, since it's possible that you actually have a system where the bug is reproducible after first encountering it; such systems are few and far between
[03:56] <LinuxSanta> kamion merry xmas btw
[03:56] <Kamion> thanks
[03:57] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  Was the bug limited to hoary or was it on warty as well?
[03:57] <Kamion> warty
[03:57] <LinuxSanta> ok
[03:57] <LinuxSanta> i had issues with warty and hoary
[03:57] <LinuxSanta> but with the hoary upgrade i think it was worse
[03:57] <kergan> not me
[03:58] <LinuxSanta> ill try the array 2
[03:58] <kergan> never had a prob with that bug
[03:58] <Kamion> actually it would also be interesting to know whether installing with Array CD 2 repairs a previously broken partition table
[03:58] <LinuxSanta> kergan:  read what kamion wrote :P
[03:58] <LinuxSanta> kamion ok will do
[03:58] <Kamion> kergan: it's dependent on all sorts of things down to BIOS versions
[03:58] <kergan> lol
[03:58] <Kamion> I've never been able to reproduce it on any system I own
[03:58] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  will find out soon enuff, i have a dimension 8300
[03:59] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  Dell
[03:59] <ighost> Kamion: so you'd like me to test hoary or warty?
[03:59] <LinuxSanta> with latest A07 bios which has the issue
[03:59] <zenkov> Please, please somebody, show me default content of /etc/rc3.d and /etc/rcS.d :-)
[03:59] <kergan> mine is a emachine 2 ghz 512 mb ddr ram 40 gig maxor drive
[03:59] <kergan> i845g/gl mobo built by FIC
[03:59] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  Im glad finally the bug was recognized
[03:59] <crimsun> zenkov: [2345]  match.
[03:59] <LinuxSanta> that bug was annoying the heck out of me
[03:59] <Kamion> ighost: hoary, Array CD 2, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-December/015285.html
[03:59] <Kamion> LinuxSanta: we always recognised it as a bug
[03:59] <kergan> tvon|seattle,  hi and welcome
[04:00] <ighost> Kamion: gotcha
[04:00] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  I reported a bug but it got cancelled out
[04:00] <tvon|seattle> howdy kergan
[04:00] <Kamion> LinuxSanta: bug number?
[04:00] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  i dont recall
[04:00] <kergan> tvon|seattle,  your from seattle
[04:00] <Kamion> LinuxSanta: what e-mail address?
[04:00] <tvon|seattle> kergan: no, Baltimore.  I'm *in* seattle :0
[04:00] <kergan> tvon|seattle,  cool i am 200 miles from you
[04:00] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  oh you dont have to look into it
[04:00] <tvon|seattle> :)
[04:00] <Arricka> okay, still trying to get mplayer working...now when I try and run dvds I get the error: alsa control /dev/mixer: no such file or directory
[04:00] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  Its the same bug thats known for array 2
[04:00] <Kamion> LinuxSanta: I want to, though
[04:00] <tvon|seattle> kergan: where are you?
[04:00] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  Mine was not specific tho
[04:00] <Kamion> LinuxSanta: are you sure it wasn't just closed as a duplicate?
[04:00] <crimsun> Arricka: are you using an ~./asoundrc?
[04:01] <Arricka> I don't know
[04:01] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  No, i couldnt tell what the problem was
[04:01] <kergan> tvon|seattle,  in wenatchee
[04:01] <crimsun> Arricka: ls -a ~/.asoundrc /etc/asound.conf
[04:01] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  it was closed out fairly, someone else must have made the issue known more clearly
[04:01] <LinuxSanta> so it was able  to be tracked down finally
[04:01] <tvon|seattle> kergan: ah, cool
[04:01] <kergan> tvon|seattle,  ya really
[04:01] <kergan> lol
[04:01] <tvon|seattle> hah
[04:01] <zenkov> crimsun? :-)
[04:02] <tvon|seattle> I'm only here till Monday
[04:02] <Kamion> LinuxSanta: more that upstream took care of it rather than the evidently broken hack we imported from Debian
[04:02] <tvon|seattle> then its back to MD
[04:02] <LinuxSanta> kamion oh
[04:02] <Arricka> no such file or directory for both of them
[04:02] <crimsun> zenkov: any reason you want 3 instead of 2?
[04:02] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  Whatever works :)
[04:02] <kergan> tvon|seattle, thats cool visting family
[04:02] <crimsun> Arricka: are you using mplayer 1.0pre5?
[04:02] <Arricka> I'm using mplayer...let me check which version
[04:03] <tvon|seattle> kergan: yeah.  My mother was raised here, so her family lives in the area
[04:03] <kergan> tvon|seattle,  i feguered i have lived in wenatchee pritty much all my life
[04:03] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  everyone kept saying they had no problems and i kept thinking i was installing wrong
[04:03] <LinuxSanta> i wasnt sure what the cause was
[04:03] <kergan> LinuxSanta,  lol i thank that some times
[04:03] <Arricka> ...I'm having trouble finding the version number somewhere...
[04:04] <Kamion> LinuxSanta: it's been pretty much a FAQ
[04:04] <kergan> not casues buy that bug
[04:04] <kergan> just in other distros
[04:04] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  i see
[04:04] <Arricka> I got it by adding hoary to my sources briefly(as listed on one of the Ubuntu forums) and getting the package
[04:04] <LinuxSanta> kamion is (#1566 the bug # in bugzilla?
[04:04] <Kamion> LinuxSanta: yeah
[04:05] <Arricka> should I try switching my audio driver to something else?
[04:05] <LinuxSanta> ok ill check into the bug
[04:05] <Kamion> http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/ has repair instructions in case array 2 doesn't auto-repair it
[04:05] <Arricka> the gnome sound effects are certainly working...
[04:05] <LinuxSanta> see if its the same as what i experienced it
[04:05] <LinuxSanta> kamion i repaired my stuff using fixmbr
[04:05] <kergan> Arricka,  i disabled thoes
[04:05] <LinuxSanta> but i removed ubuntu for the time being
[04:06] <LinuxSanta> i was going to setup ntloader instead
[04:06] <kergan> Arricka,  then killed the esd it plays tharu
[04:06] <Kamion> LinuxSanta: fixmbr doesn't always do it
[04:06] <zenkov> crimsun hm...
[04:06] <LinuxSanta> with my dell i can press a function key to boot directly into 2nd hd
[04:06] <LinuxSanta> so a root partition will prolly work without anything
[04:06] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  fixmbr in windows fixed everything right up so i was able to get right back into windows
[04:07] <Arricka> kergan, so what should I do to fix it then?
[04:07] <LinuxSanta> fixmbr from the windows cd
[04:07] <tvon|seattle> mdz: you around?
[04:07] <tvon|seattle> kergan: where is it exactly?  I'm not too familiar with the state
[04:07] <Kamion> yes, it varies from system to system AIUI
[04:07] <kergan> tvon|seattle,  dead center
[04:07] <kergan> Arricka,  disable the sound server in sounds under prefferences (of gnome)
[04:08] <kergan> Arricka,  then start the systuim montor and kill esd
[04:08] <kergan> then try to play your files
[04:08] <kergan> some times esd and oss and alsa colide hard
[04:09] <kergan> at least thats my experence with other distros
[04:09] <Arricka> okay...give me a sec, I'll tell you if that works
[04:09] <LinuxSanta> kamion whats interesting is the person went into partition magic
[04:09] <LinuxSanta> which gave the error
[04:09] <LinuxSanta> so there was more insight as to the cause
[04:10] <kergan> LinuxSanta,  what was the error
[04:11] <LinuxSanta> kergan:  I didnt get any verbal errors
[04:11] <LinuxSanta> my windows hd would get corrupted
[04:11] <kergan> hmmm
[04:11] <LinuxSanta> i mean
[04:11] <LinuxSanta> i couldnt get into windows from grub
[04:12] <LinuxSanta> the mbr was the issue in my case
[04:12] <LinuxSanta> yeah someone had a dell like me
[04:12] <LinuxSanta> should be squashed soon enuff
[04:12] <kergan> ya
[04:13] <kergan> you guys are worken hard
[04:13] <kergan> and its a damn fine os
[04:13] <Arricka> well, it looks like it's getting further along towards playing the DVD, it resizes the window. but it still gives me the error: alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory
[04:13] <kergan> Arricka,  tell that progam to use esd to play sound thru
[04:13] <Arricka> okay
[04:15] <LinuxSanta> ubuntu really cares about us :)
[04:16] <kergan> yep
[04:16] <LinuxSanta> ubuntu is awesome for a 1st release
[04:16] <LinuxSanta> hoary should be GOLDEN :)
[04:16] <LinuxSanta> as long as we work hard and get those bugs reported
[04:16] <kergan> i love hoary
[04:16] <LinuxSanta> kergan:  I Dont
[04:16] <st3v3n> yeah, i'm ubuntu's bitch
[04:16] <LinuxSanta> i mean not array 1
[04:16] <LinuxSanta> :P
[04:17] <LinuxSanta> array 2 im gonna try now, if it fixes my partition issue ill be happy as heck
[04:17] <kergan> this is just a updated ver of werty
[04:17] <aokaze> WEEEE!  I finaly got my CDs
[04:17] <LinuxSanta> kergan:  Yeah but i did a warty upgrade to hoary and it poofed my windows :P
[04:17] <kergan> i dont have windows to poof
[04:17] <GotD0t> LinuxSanta: lucky you
[04:17] <LinuxSanta> i wasnt sure if it was due to warty or the hoary upgrade
[04:17] <LinuxSanta> kergan heh
[04:17] <LinuxSanta> hoary will fix this tho
[04:18] <LinuxSanta> they are working hard testing fixes
[04:18] <kergan> tho i have a remote winbox(headless(it dont deserver a montor)
[04:18] <LinuxSanta> hehe
[04:18] <aokaze> I have a slite problem.  I boot up the live CD and when x starts my monitor is all messed up all scrambled
[04:18] <LinuxSanta> kergan:  Thing is it happened with other linux distros
[04:18] <LinuxSanta> kergan : I take it alot of distros used libparted?
[04:18] <kergan> yes
[04:18] <Kamion> libparted is very widely used in installers, yes
[04:18] <LinuxSanta> kergan:  i had the problem with novell linux
[04:19] <kergan> mdk ,rh,suse
[04:19] <LinuxSanta> yeah
[04:19] <kergan> the 3 big ones
[04:19] <LinuxSanta> ok so all the distros will have that issue fixed in the next release
[04:19] <LinuxSanta> suse = novell
[04:19] <LinuxSanta> so yeah
[04:19] <kergan> lol
[04:19] <GotD0t> aokaze: thats not bad... thats just an uncleared framebuffer
[04:19] <LinuxSanta> kergan:  That was for me the biggest bug
[04:20] <LinuxSanta> the most annoying bug
[04:20] <kergan> i have had probs with it mdk (my chouce till i switched to ubuntu)
[04:20] <LinuxSanta> the rest was cosmetic/feature related
[04:20] <LinuxSanta> i never had linux crash on me
[04:20] <aokaze> I saw someone do it before but forgot the key combination...  what is the key combination to change video rez and stuff
[04:20] <aokaze> I just have a crappy monitor that cannot take some hz settings
[04:21] <LinuxSanta> kergan novell linux is nice tho
[04:22] <kergan> ya
[04:22] <LinuxSanta> but its not free
[04:22] <kergan> it just never worked the way i used it
[04:22] <LinuxSanta> and ubuntu will be just as nice if not nicer after it gets moving along
[04:22] <kergan> once it gets biger you mean
[04:22] <janc> ubuntu is nice already  :-)
[04:22] <kergan> janc,  i agree
[04:22] <LinuxSanta> janc well yes
[04:22] <LinuxSanta> janc:  but novell has nicer startup screens and the like
[04:23] <LinuxSanta> and has a recovery mode, etc...
[04:23] <kergan> and easer set up too
[04:23] <LinuxSanta> which im sure will be added to ubuntu
[04:23] <LinuxSanta> novell just has the advantage of time
[04:23] <janc> are nice startup screens really that important ?
[04:23] <LinuxSanta> janc:  no i mean more features
[04:23] <aokaze> I would like help to get ubuntu to boot for the proper video settings
[04:23] <kergan> aokaze,  i cant help you
[04:24] <LinuxSanta> janc:  it had some nicities which make getting back into the system easier
[04:24] <Kamion> LinuxSanta: recovery mode in the installer, you mean?
[04:24] <LinuxSanta> if u have issues
[04:24] <janc> aokaze : I've never used ubuntu live cd, but doesn't it have some boot options ?
[04:24] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  Like you could with the cd, select the drive to boot into
[04:24] <janc> try F1 F2 etc. at the boot prompt
[04:24] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  Etc...
[04:25] <Kamion> LinuxSanta: we should be getting that eventually, I have a preliminary implementation for d-i
[04:25] <aokaze> it comes with boot options but it gives only resolutions too big for my monitor
[04:25] <kergan> LinuxSanta,  i fegured out why libparted is causing probs
[04:25] <LinuxSanta> kamion i know that :) thats why i said novell just has time on its side
[04:25] <LinuxSanta> kergan and why is that ? :)
[04:25] <Kamion> s'pose I should look at NLD's installer to see what the rescue UI is like
[04:25] <kergan> LinuxSanta,  its pay back for winxp taking over the mbr
[04:26] <kergan> after linux is installed
[04:26] <LinuxSanta> lol
[04:26] <kergan> hehehehe
[04:26] <LinuxSanta> payback ? :)
[04:26] <LinuxSanta> microsoft hates linux so.....
[04:26] <kergan> ya
[04:26] <LinuxSanta> kergan nah its a geometry bug
[04:26] <kergan> i know i ya joking
[04:26] <LinuxSanta> kergan microsoft gets blamed for everything cause of their reputation tho :P
[04:26] <LinuxSanta> alot of things they do cause
[04:27] <LinuxSanta> :P
[04:27] <kergan> heheheheh
[04:27] <janc> anyone ever tryed the live cd who can help aokaze ?  :-)
[04:27] <LinuxSanta> oh here was another thing i was wondering:
[04:27] <LinuxSanta> Can you use microsoft fonts in ubuntu?
[04:27] <kergan> look in the werty guide
[04:27] <LinuxSanta> a utility like what mandrake used to have to add windows fonts would be nice
[04:27] <janc> LinuxSanta : of course
[04:27] <kergan> its in thare
[04:27] <kergan> LinuxSanta,  i agree
[04:27] <kergan> that was nice
[04:27] <LinuxSanta> kergan:  im referring to a gui utility like mandrake
[04:28] <kergan> oh
[04:28] <LinuxSanta> ubuntu is only getting started tho :)
[04:28] <kergan> but the gui tool mdk had was nice
[04:28] <LinuxSanta> i hated mandrake as a distro in general
[04:28] <LinuxSanta> but every distro always has nicities
[04:28] <kergan> i liked it casue it made it easy for me to lern
[04:28] <LinuxSanta> that others dont have
[04:28] <kergan> rh was to hard
[04:28] <Quest-Master> k,lLo] 
[04:28] <LinuxSanta> kergan:  Mandrake was too large and aloof
[04:29] <Quest-Master> ack
[04:29] <LinuxSanta> it was like everything was all over the place
[04:29] <kergan> ya but it worked
[04:29] <LinuxSanta> ubuntu is 1 cd
[04:29] <LinuxSanta> with gnome
[04:29] <kergan> true
[04:29] <LinuxSanta> and u can add what u want
[04:29] <kergan> thats wot i used from my first linux distro
[04:29] <LinuxSanta> i want to test array 2
[04:29] <LinuxSanta> to make sure this bug is squashed
[04:30] <kergan> heheh
[04:30] <Quest-Master> I hated Mandrake
[04:30] <Quest-Master> Took me a grand 6 hours to install
[04:31] <Quest-Master> And didn't work in the end
[04:31] <Quest-Master> Guys
[04:31] <Quest-Master> I'm having a pretty big problem
[04:31] <kergan> 10.1 took me 30 mins to install and 5 more hrs to get it the way i wanted it
[04:31] <Quest-Master> Gnome won't start
[04:31] <Quest-Master> I'm in XFCE right now
[04:32] <LinuxSanta> this is ubuntu
[04:32] <LinuxSanta> so we talk ubuntu :)
[04:32] <LinuxSanta> no mdk here
[04:32] <janc> XFce4 is nice Quest-Master ;-)
[04:32] <kergan> lol
[04:32] <Quest-Master> I login, and it says "Your last session lasted less than 10 minutes."
[04:32] <LinuxSanta> anyways
[04:32] <LinuxSanta> off to try array2
[04:32] <LinuxSanta> the livecd works perfect FYI
[04:32] <Quest-Master> And then it has more stuff about how I might not have enough disk space, a bad installation, etc etc.
[04:32] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: you mean 10 seconds?
[04:32] <LinuxSanta> the livecd works better than the regular install
[04:32] <Quest-Master> Something like that
[04:33] <LinuxSanta> but livecd had newer stuff like udev and hotplug too
[04:33] <janc> damn, why didn't anyone write a good & nice movie player for linux yet?  (that I could find)
[04:33] <Quest-Master> Harddrive installs > Live CDs in speed for me
[04:33] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: thats a problem with your XFree86 config file
[04:33] <LinuxSanta> quest-master:  Yeah but livecd works :)
[04:33] <Quest-Master> GotD0t: Doesn't sound good.
[04:33] <LinuxSanta> till hoary is golden
[04:33] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: should be easy enough to fix
[04:33] <LinuxSanta> warty breaks my machine
[04:33] <LinuxSanta> for now
[04:34] <LinuxSanta> wait wairt
[04:34] <LinuxSanta> libparted is in the installer right?
[04:34] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: put your XF86Config-4 in a pastebin
[04:34] <Quest-Master> GotD0t: Where is the XFree86 config located?
[04:34] <LinuxSanta> no wonder upgrading to hoary didnt fix my problem
[04:34] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:34] <LinuxSanta> the libparted was in the installer
[04:35] <LinuxSanta> ok so array2 it is :)
[04:35] <carajean> does anyone know if linux had a drop screen cmd like windows
[04:35] <kergan> LinuxSanta,  before you run off whats the diference between the difernt iso's in that dir
[04:35] <Quest-Master> GotD0t: Join #flood
[04:35] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: ok
[04:35] <Kamion> LinuxSanta: indeed so
[04:35] <pepsi> hrm, should i be using the 2.6.9 kernel with whorey?
[04:35] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  Yep
[04:36] <kergan> carajean,  ya its called gnome terminal
[04:36] <Kamion> pepsi: yes
[04:36] <LinuxSanta> kamion:  If array2 fixes this then i can finally keep ubuntu on my computer :)
[04:36] <LinuxSanta> i was using the livecd
[04:36] <LinuxSanta> to use it
[04:36] <janc> a "drop screen cmd" = "console" ?  :-/
[04:36] <carajean> where is it located cause world of warcraft froze and i had to restart cause i didnt know a way to get back to the desktkop
[04:36] <LinuxSanta> kamion for me that was my showstopper
[04:37] <LinuxSanta> kamion the rest is all cosmetic and feature stuff
[04:37] <carajean> anyone know if a good dvd player for this distro
[04:37] <kergan> carajean,  xine-ui
[04:37] <carajean> cause the one it comes with is a big laggy
[04:37] <carajean> can i install it using synaptic
[04:37] <maximaus> yes
[04:37] <kergan> yes
[04:37] <carajean> cool
[04:38] <janc> xine-ui is the only decent movie player that works with Ubuntu it seems
[04:38] <janc> but it's but-ugly  :-(
[04:38] <kergan> janc,  yep so does gnome-xine
[04:38] <maximaus> I'll 2nd that--mplayer didn't want to install with synaptic, and totem is OK but a bit laggy as carajean says
[04:38] <janc> gnome-xine doesn't exist anymore  ;)
[04:38] <janc> it's gxine
[04:39] <kergan> thats what i ment
[04:39] <carajean> so how do i install it or will it pop up by itself
[04:39] <janc> but gxine doesn't even know about subtitles it seems...
[04:39] <LinuxSanta> anyways
[04:39] <LinuxSanta> array2
[04:39] <kergan> janc,  maby the next realice of it will fix that
[04:39] <kergan> carajean,  do a search for it
[04:40] <carajean> ok
[04:40] <kergan> then right click it and click install
[04:40] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[04:40] <Quest-Master> carajean: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[04:40] <Quest-Master> carajean: Sure
[04:40] <Quest-Master> carajean: You can play your DVDs through MPlayer or any xine-player like gxine or xine-ui or totem-xine
[04:40] <Quest-Master> janc: MPlayer is great. :)
[04:40] <Quest-Master> janc: If you don't like MPlayer, use gxine. Very efficient and fast
[04:40] <Quest-Master> Don't install MPlayer from apt
[04:40] <Quest-Master> ;)
[04:40] <Quest-Master> Always from source.
[04:40] <Quest-Master> janc: MPlayer does.
[04:41] <Quest-Master> GotD0t: Any idea what to fix? :\
[04:41] <Quest-Master> Hey
[04:41] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: looking
[04:41] <janc> MPLayer works great on Windows, but not on Warty
[04:41] <janc> maybe if I compile it myself...
[04:41] <bob2> please file bugs then
[04:41] <bob2> it works fine for lots of people
[04:41] <carajean> Quest-Master: thanks for the detailed how to install a newb appreciates ur kindness
[04:42] <janc> ( I *do* use MPlayer on Windows actually :-p )
[04:42] <da_bon_bon> i use totem-xine - its a nice player
[04:42] <janc> totem-xine never heard about subtitles either
[04:42] <Quest-Master> carajean: For the MIDIs you mean? :)
[04:43] <carajean> hey i heard there was a winamp like player for linux
[04:43] <Quest-Master> carajean: XMMS and BEEP.
[04:43] <carajean> does it have streaming audio lik elinux
[04:43] <carajean> like linux
[04:43] <Quest-Master> Yep.
[04:43] <carajean> oh goody
[04:43] <janc> http streaming like winamp yes
[04:43] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: how do u install beep from apt-get ?
[04:44] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: what screen res + color depth do you use in XFCE
[04:44] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[04:44] <janc> don't know about decent streaming (rtp and alike)
[04:44] <Quest-Master> GotD0t: Same as was in Gnome. 1280x1024 and 32-bit I believe.
[04:44] <lek> i\
[04:44] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: what does it play? what does it not play?
[04:45] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: there isn't a 32bit color depth entry in your config file
[04:45] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Hm.
[04:45] <Quest-Master> Is it 16?
[04:45] <Quest-Master> Ack
[04:45] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: goes up to 24
[04:45] <Quest-Master> Weird.
[04:45] <janc> anyone ever used and/or worked with multicast streaming on linux ?
[04:45] <Quest-Master> You mean shoutcast?
[04:46] <janc> shoutcast is brain-dead http streaming
[04:46] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: MP3s, OGGs, and you can install plug-ins from apt-get for MODs, MIDIs, and more
[04:47] <Quest-Master> GotD0t: XFCE looks fine though
[04:47] <janc> multicast allows you to send a stream once to reach all "subscribers"
[04:47] <janc> saves *a lot* of bandwith
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: its kust like winamp (xmms)
[04:48] <janc> if the network supports it...
[04:49] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: If you right-click, you'll notice it uses GTK2 instead of 1 though. Looks prettier. :)
[04:49] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: i don't know what to say
[04:50] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: yes... so i will use that instead of xmms. what did u s say xmms uses ?
[04:52] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: is b-m-p compatible with winamp ang xmms skins ?
[04:52] <kergan> da_bon_bon, no
[04:52] <Agrajag> what
[04:52] <Agrajag> yes it is
[04:53] <Agrajag> I could have sworn
[04:53] <da_bon_bon> kergan: then i need to get skins for it too?
[04:53] <kergan> hmm i couldnt help ya
[04:53] <Agrajag> no
[04:54] <Agrajag> bmp uses xmms/winamp 2 skins
[04:54] <Agrajag> http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/Skins
[04:55] <kergan> ok i was wrong xmms dont use winamp skins
[04:55] <Agrajag> yes, xmms does use winamp skins.
[04:55] <kergan> dont work for me
[04:55] <Agrajag> are you trying to use skins for winamp 5?
[04:55] <dr_willis> xmms used to use winamp skins..
[04:55] <Agrajag> it does
[04:55] <dr_willis> but with all the new versions - who can be sure :O seems winamp cant use winamp skins at times :P
[04:55] <Agrajag> so does bmp.
[04:56] <Agrajag> christ
[04:56] <kergan> i dont rember how to install them Agrajag
[04:56] <Agrajag> it uses skins for winamp 2.
[04:56] <da_bon_bon> yes, bmp is compatible with xmms skins
[04:56] <LinuxSanta> burning away!
[04:56] <LinuxSanta> array2 for xmas
[04:56] <Agrajag> kergan: read the goddamn link I pasted
[04:56] <Agrajag> http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/User%27s_guide#Skin_Installation
[04:56] <LinuxSanta> be nice
[04:56] <Agrajag> same thing in xmms
[04:56] <LinuxSanta> its xmas after all
[04:56] <Agrajag> xmmsmas
[04:57] <Arricka> hey, what video driver should I be using in mplayer?
[04:57] <Agrajag> xv
[04:57] <Quest-Master> da_bon_bon: Yes, it can use those skins
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master, Agrajag: thnx
[04:58] <Quest-Master> GotD0t: :(!
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> can anyone suggest a cool xmms - bmp skin ?
[04:58] <Quest-Master> Oh well.
[04:59] <carajean> ok i downloaded xmms and cant find the stream files place and is there anyway to get a skin that is way bigger
[04:59] <Quest-Master> No Gnome for a while then. Time to learn XFCE
[04:59] <carajean> yeah suggest to me to
[04:59] <Agrajag> skins are all the same size, carajean
[04:59] <merriam> carajean: Ctrl-D
[04:59] <Quest-Master> I use the Debian skin included with bmp. :) looks cool
[04:59] <carajean> damn that thing is small
[04:59] <Agrajag> if you want it bigger, turn on doublesize mode, it's one of the little buttons on the side of the time display
[05:00] <kergan> Quest-Master,  i had the same prob and gnome was only desktop installed so i had to reinstall
[05:00] <Quest-Master> Ok
[05:00] <Quest-Master> Does it remove any of the themes or preferences if I reinstall?
[05:00] <merriam> Agrajag: it's ctrl-D
[05:00] <Quest-Master> kergan: Like, the icon themes I've set, colors, etc.
[05:01] <carajean> ok thanks for the double size
[05:01] <carajean> now for the streaming audi
[05:01] <kergan> Quest-Master,  if your /home dir is on a seprit partion no if your /home is on the same drive yes
[05:02] <occy> anyone know if you can suspend a device ( /dev/cdrom ) while it's being accessed so you can eject the disk and then put the disc back in and resume the access?
[05:02] <Quest-Master> Crap.
[05:02] <Quest-Master> ><
[05:02] <Quest-Master> I'll ask around at the forums.
[05:02] <kergan> Quest-Master,  heheheh good choice
[05:02] <Quest-Master> My /home is on the same partition where Gnome is being reinstalled
[05:03] <Quest-Master> I've already reinstalled Ubuntu 3 times.. hate having to set everything up again
[05:03] <LinuxSanta> yay
[05:03] <kergan> ya maby next time you'll reconsder your partion sheame
[05:03] <LinuxSanta> hoary is here
[05:03] <Quest-Master> XFCE is actually really nice though.
[05:03] <LinuxSanta> if this fixes it ill be amazingly happy
[05:03] <Quest-Master> Fast, lightweight, and similar to Gnome.
[05:03] <LinuxSanta> be back in a flash
[05:03] <carajean> how to make xine my default dvd player
[05:04] <LinuxSanta> however long ubuntu takes to install and download updates :P
[05:04] <LinuxSanta> be back
[05:04] <bob2> occy: what are you trying to do?
[05:05] <Quest-Master> Anyhow, good night all.
[05:06] <occy> bob2: heh, was trying to install windows xp under qemu
[05:06] <carajean> ok im havin trouble how to get a media to play a dvd automatically in my favorite dvd player
[05:06] <occy> needed the reg #  that was on the cd
[05:06] <occy> Could never get that java working :(
[05:06] <kergan> lol
[05:07] <merriam> occy: you want to use windows just for java?
[05:07] <bob2> occy: make an image of the cd first
[05:07] <occy> merriam: Do I want to?  Um, no.
[05:08] <occy> merriam: I've had several people look at it, and noone can figure out the problem with Java on Firefox / Opera / Konq  My dad needs to use this one java app for his work, and I really want them to use Linux, sooo....
[05:09] <merriam> occy: If Java won't work on Ubuntu (I haven't tried), it's probably easier to use Gentoo.  chroot is preferable to emulation.
[05:10] <kergan> occy i have java 1.5.0_01 running just fine
[05:10] <occy> merriam: heh, Java works fine, I can use yahoo games.  It just doesn't work with My Dad's work's website.
[05:10] <occy> see above
[05:10] <merriam> occy: which java?
[05:10] <occy> merriam: 1.5.0_01
[05:10] <Sahand> Hi Peoples, just like to say that Ubuntu has got to be one of the best distro's I have tried to date
[05:11] <occy> Sahand: I concur :)
[05:11] <Sahand> very neat
[05:11] <kergan> folling the ubuntuguide.org instructions with updated dir
[05:11] <occy> merriam: tried 1.4.2 as well
[05:11] <crimsun> occy: what precisely is broken with it?
[05:11] <occy> crimsun: heyaz bud.
[05:11] <Arricka> okay, I'm still having trouble getting mplayer to play a dvd...of course having to go do christmas errands between every solution I try isn't helping...anyhow: the video driver is set to xv, the audio to esd...mplayer runs really slow when I start a dvd, and doesn't display or sound anything. It also crashes after a while and says too many video packets in buffer
[05:11] <occy> crimsun: can't launch the java app.  The sad thing is, it's with a company that I can't let anyone have access to it.
[05:12] <crimsun> occy: heya. Sorry, my responses will be erratic 'cos I'm at work.
[05:12] <occy> crimsun: java can run on other websites just fine.  Yahoo games for example.
[05:12] <occy> crimsun: no worries ;)
[05:12] <occy> this particular java page works fine under Windows IE and Firefox
[05:13] <da_bon_bon> how do i get global hotkeys for bmp/xmms ?
[05:14] <Sahand> well me gots to go, but once again great work, done a great job so far and a lot of work is also needed but it is looking very positive
[05:14] <Sahand> cool, bye
[05:14] <carajean> anyone very use nvclock
[05:14] <carajean> ??
[05:15] <Freakwitch> does anyone else get a loooong delay when launching openoffice in warty? I get the splash screen and then it hangs for several minutes until writer opens
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> what is the official ubuntu logog called?
[05:16] <merriam> occy: Which implementation, not which version.  Sun, I presume.  You could try IBM, or perhaps an older version than 1.4.2.
[05:16] <merriam> occy: or Blackdown
[05:16] <Arricka> so any idea what solves the "too many video packets in buffer error of mplayer? video driver is set to xv
[05:17] <bob2> da_bon_bon: 'the ubuntu logo'
[05:17] <Arricka> this is for playing a dvd, if the input file type makes any difference
[05:17] <occy> merriam: I tried blackdown and also the multiverse version as well as Sun's
[05:18] <occy> :)
[05:18] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok
[05:18] <linux_galore> ho ho ho
[05:18] <Arricka> should I take off double buffering? should I enable direct rendering?
[05:18] <occy> merriam: you understand now why I'm using qemu?
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> where do i get global hotkeys plugin for xmms / bmp ?
[05:19] <Arricka> or do I want to change off of the xv driver for video
[05:19] <occy> trust me, this is a last resort.
[05:19] <merriam> occy: yes.  Good luck.
[05:20] <LinuxSanta> crap
[05:20] <LinuxSanta> array2 fails on debootstrap
[05:21] <LinuxSanta> is that related to libparted?
[05:21] <LinuxSanta> gonna run a test of the cd just to make sure 1st
[05:22] <LinuxSanta> it should have burned fine
[05:22] <da_bon_bon> how do i install splash screens on ubuntu??
[05:23] <carajean> can ubuntu support gui interface
[05:23] <calc> carajean: it installs gnome gui by default
[05:23] <LinuxSanta> be bakc
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> err back
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> gonna test cd
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> before i report bug
[05:24] <carajean> cool
[05:26] <da_bon_bon> __please__ tell me how to install bootsplash on ubuntu ?
[05:26] <st3v3n> hmm... there's an article somewhere for that
[05:26] <kergan> in the weki
[05:26] <kergan> wiki
[05:26] <bob2> da_bon_bon: dude
[05:27] <da_bon_bon> bob2: yes?
[05:27] <bob2> da_bon_bon: if someone knew, they would tell you.  there's no need to beg or to use multiple question marks.
[05:27] <st3v3n> http://www.desktop-linux.net/bootsplash.htm
[05:27] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i am not begging.. i am asking.
[05:27] <bob2> da_bon_bon: '__please__'
[05:28] <kergan> thats begging
[05:28] <bob2> da_bon_bon: there was really *nothing* in the list archives or website about bootsplash?
[05:28] <da_bon_bon> bob2: got it.
[05:30] <Arricka> so what would solve the error when mplayer tries to play a dvd (I don't know about regular video files yet) of: too many video packets in buffer
[05:30] <Arricka> ?
[05:30] <Arricka> video driver selected is xv
[05:31] <calc> when is ubuntu going to switch to kernel 2.6.10?
[05:31] <bob2> didn't it come out in the past 1 hours?
[05:31] <bob2> on christmas eve?
[05:31] <bob2> when everyone is on holiday?
[05:31] <GotD0t> does anybody know if knoppix comes with openssh-server preinstalled
[05:32] <st3v3n> lol
[05:32] <bob2> GotD0t: #knoppix would know, but it's not called openssh-server there
[05:32] <GotD0t> bob2: what do you mean
[05:32] <st3v3n> gotd0t: yes, it does
[05:32] <GotD0t> thank st3v3n
[05:33] <calc> bob2: it came out several hours ago, someone should have packaged it by now ;)
[05:34] <GotD0t> calc: what did
[05:34] <tvon|seattle> da_bon_bon: Ubuntu currently does not come with any sort of boot splash
[05:35] <tvon|seattle> woah, my connection is laggy
[05:35] <st3v3n> if you go to the ubuntu forums, ubuntuforums.org i believe someone has posted a ubuntu boot splash
[05:35] <calc> GotD0t: kernel 2.6.10
[05:35] <bob2> Arricka: sure you'e using mplayer and not mencoder?
[05:36] <calc> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash/view?searchterm=usplash
[05:36] <calc> that explains what ubuntu is working towards
[05:36] <gwildor> someone posted me a page that had like (how to do <anything> in ubuntu), but i forgot it, does anyone know what i am talking about?
[05:36] <Arricka> bob2: positive
[05:37] <da_bon_bon> tvon|seattle: theres a page in wiki to change splash on gnome - actually i wanted that. what exactly is a bootspash ?
[05:37] <da_bon_bon> *splash
[05:38] <st3v3n> da_bon_bon: basically just linux's copy of what windows does when it boots up
[05:38] <bob2> it just displays some sort of image during boot
[05:39] <bob2> it's one of the more pointless kernel patches around, and hoary will hopefully have a userspace replacement for it
[05:39] <kergan> bob2,  hpfuly
[05:39] <kergan> hopfuly
[05:39] <bob2> ?
[05:39] <da_bon_bon> st3v3n: ok.
[05:39] <kergan> ok one more time hopefuly
[05:40] <kergan> bob2,  sorry couldent spell
[05:40] <da_bon_bon> bob2: what 'userspace' replacement ?
[05:40] <crimsun> (usplash)
[05:41] <calc> see the link i pasted earlier
[05:45] <LinuxSanta> ok my cd failed
[05:45] <LinuxSanta> redownloading and reburning
[05:45] <bob2> er
[05:45] <bob2> you don't need to do that
[05:45] <LinuxSanta> thought array2 was bugged
[05:46] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  Yes i do
[05:46] <bob2> why?
[05:46] <LinuxSanta> the cd is corrupted
[05:46] <kergan> lol
[05:46] <LinuxSanta> i had to reburn
[05:46] <LinuxSanta> im redownloading in case the file was bad
[05:46] <bob2> erm
[05:46] <bob2> you can check if it's corrupted by comparing the md5sums
[05:46] <bob2> if it is, then you can fix it using rsync
[05:46] <LinuxSanta> bob2 and it is corrupted
[05:47] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  Im not using linux
[05:47] <bob2> then rsync it instead of wasting 600MB of bandwidth
[05:47] <carajean> hey could any of u help me install steam using cedega
[05:47] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  huh?
[05:47] <LinuxSanta> i dont want to mirror it
[05:47] <LinuxSanta> whos wasting bandwdith
[05:47] <gwildor> someone posted me a page that had like (how to do <anything> in ubuntu), but i forgot it, does anyone know what i am talking about?
[05:47] <LinuxSanta> im just downloading it, it will be done in like 10 mins
[05:47] <bob2> carajean: try #winex or #cedega
[05:47] <LinuxSanta> i have unlimited bandwidth
[05:47] <bob2> LinuxSanta: er, you downloaded it once, then you're downloading it again?
[05:47] <kergan> gwildor, www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:48] <carajean> they dont want to talk no one is talkin
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  To make sure the file corrupted wasnt the problem
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> as a precaution
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> its already half way finished :P
[05:48] <bob2> LinuxSanta: why don't you just rsync it then?
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> im in no rush
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> rsync does what?
[05:48] <bob2> synchronise files that are almost the same
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> bob2 oh u mean so it can fix the bad files ?
[05:49] <Arricka> do I have to do anything to make sure xv is configured correctly?
[05:49] <gwildor> kergan, thnx
[05:49] <bob2> if you have a single bit error, it will download something like a 1/500th of what you're doing now
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> without redownloading the whole thing
[05:49] <bob2> LinuxSanta: yes
[05:49] <kergan> gwildor,  n/p
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> ok
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> well im downloading it
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> it only takes a few mins
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> ill know for next time
[05:49] <Arricka> my sister will want to do a lot of video editing so getting mplayer working is a high priority for me
[05:49] <bob2> mplayer isn't an editor
[05:49] <kergan> just a player
[05:50] <Arricka> no, but you also want to be able to play it afterwards
[05:50] <da_bon_bon> LinuxSanta: does array2 work ?
[05:50] <Arricka> I've already got the editor working
[05:50] <kergan> then use xine-ui for playing it
[05:50] <gwildor> ahhhhh.....45 min hoary upgrade
[05:50] <kergan> gxine
[05:50] <LinuxSanta> 611kb/second downloads
[05:51] <LinuxSanta> da_ my cd was bad
[05:51] <LinuxSanta> im redownloading now
[05:51] <LinuxSanta> just to make sure
[05:51] <LinuxSanta> da:  Ill reinstall on the next go round
[05:51] <da_bon_bon> ok
[05:52] <carajean> winex nobidy is talkin could some plz take time and help
[05:52] <carajean> nobody i mwa
[05:52] <kergan> carajean,  i dont know wine or winex
[05:52] <da_bon_bon> g\uys go here:
 ok one more time hopefuly
 bob2,  sorry couldent spell
 bob2: what 'userspace' replacement ?
 (usplash)
[05:52] <da_bon_bon> <-- Freakwitch (~jwl@ptd-24-198-90-88.maine.rr.com) has left #ubuntu
 see the link i pasted earlier
[05:52] <crimsun> carajean: are you using wine, winex, or cedega?
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[05:53] <bob2> carajean: maybe talk to transgaming?  presumably you get support for your $5/month...
[05:53] <bluefoxicy> what huh?
[05:53] <kergan> ouch bob2
[05:53] <bob2> kergan: hrm?
[05:54] <kergan> remind me not to piss you off bob2
[05:54] <crimsun> kergan: that was a courtesy muzzle
[05:54] <bob2> er, that was to stop his paste flooding the channel
[05:54] <da_bon_bon> bob2: it was a mistake in pasting..
[05:54] <kergan> bob2,  i am a oper on my network
[05:54] <bob2> da_bon_bon: I know, I just didn't want it to flood everyone :)
[05:54] <bob2> kergan: ok...
[05:54] <da_bon_bon> i wanted to paste this: http://andrius.esu.lt/10/go2.htm
[05:54] <kergan> bob2,  and that scaired me
[05:55] <da_bon_bon> bob2: so what i typed didnt appear on veryones screen ?
[05:55] <GotD0t> bah, ok does anybody know how i can get a file off my windows computer without having to set up samba sharing?
[05:55] <bob2> da_bon_bon: only up until the point I set +q, what you're saying now is here
[05:55] <vladster> does anyone have a suggestion for a utility that would capture MP3 streams from the internet?
[05:55] <bob2> vladster: mplayer, -streamdump
[05:55] <GotD0t> vladster: well you can set up xmms to read the stream and configure it to save to the hard disk
[05:55] <|QuaD-> is there a way to get xine to play a bin/cue?
[05:56] <kergan> GotD0t,  put the hdd in your puter and then mount it and copy the files off
[05:56] <GotD0t> kergan: i was hoping it wouldn't come to that
[05:56] <GotD0t> kergan: hehe
[05:56] <bob2> GotD0t: scp
[05:56] <da_bon_bon> bob2: but if i flooded, how did u instantly set +q , so that it didnt come on everyones screen ?
[05:56] <vladster> would that bew in a config file for xmms?
[05:56] <kergan> GotD0t,  thats your options with out seting up samba
[05:56] <bob2> da_bon_bon: quick reflexes?
[05:57] <kergan> lol bob2
[05:57] <GotD0t> vladster: nah, just set the output plugin to be the disk writer plugin
[05:57] <GotD0t> bob2: i tried getting openssh to work on it, but i cant seem to login
[05:57] <GotD0t> bob2: gives me error 22
[05:58] <gwildor> GotDot, login to an irc client on you windows box, and dcc it to yourself
[05:58] <da_bon_bon> bob2: really quick, i must say. or was it an auto bot ?
[05:58] <|QuaD-> how do i play a bin/cue (vcd) in xine?
[05:58] <GotD0t> gwildor: i tried that... it failed
[05:58] <gwildor> idk then....sorry
[05:58] <kergan> gwildor, thats pretty ingeanus
[05:58] <GotD0t> gwildor: and it cut off the file...
[05:58] <gwildor> kergan, thnx :)
[05:58] <kergan> GotD0t, just delit then
[05:58] <GotD0t> kergan: huh?
[05:59] <bob2> da_bon_bon: 'twas manual...
[05:59] <kergan> after you dcc it to your self
[05:59] <bob2> |QuaD-: you probably don't
[05:59] <kergan> since your on that box just del the file after its sent
[05:59] <kergan> thru dcc
[05:59] <GotD0t> kergan: i cant... for two reasons the transfer fails and even if it didn't fail i wouldn't get the entire thing... it seems to cut it off at 2gb
[05:59] <bob2> |QuaD-: it'd be easier to rerip whatever it is in a sane format like mpeg
[05:59] <|QuaD-> bob2: any good converting tools?
[05:59] <|QuaD-> i don't have the original here :(
[05:59] <GotD0t> kergan: xchat tells me the file is 2gb... when its really 6
[06:00] <bob2> |QuaD-: bchunk can make an iso at least
[06:00] <gwildor> GotDot, what are tying to transfer?
[06:00] <bob2> hah, xchat doesn't support LFS, film at 11
[06:00] <GotD0t> gwildor: an ISO of a dvd
[06:00] <kergan> GotD0t, so your going to have to put the hdd in to your linux box
[06:00] <GotD0t> kergan: i don't have any room
[06:00] <|QuaD-> bob2: that won't do much... i tried using mplayer... gives me SOOO many errors
[06:00] <bob2> |QuaD-: bcunk doesn't work?
[06:01] <GotD0t> kergan: i do have one option though... ubuntu live cd
[06:01] <|QuaD-> bob2: it would.... i don't knwo how to use it... couldn't figure out the man
[06:01] <GotD0t> kergan: mount it and then ssh... easy configuration
[06:01] <kergan> GotD0t, yep
[06:01] <|QuaD-> bob2: you know the syntax?
[06:02] <bob2> |QuaD-: er, it looks kinda clear?
[06:03] <kergan> |QuaD-,  ya its bchunk the.cue the.bin nameyouwanthere
[06:03] <bob2> |QuaD-: bchunk foo.bin foo.cue foo
[06:03] <kergan> and it will convert to iso
[06:03] <LinuxSanta> here goes nothing
[06:03] <LinuxSanta> 2nd burn
[06:03] <|QuaD-> bob2, kergan: thanks let me try it
[06:03] <LinuxSanta> ubuntu = lucky 7 on distrowatch :)
[06:04] <LinuxSanta> thats a great oman
[06:04] <kergan> woohoo
[06:04] <da_bon_bon> if i want to search in the complete computer, i say '/' in search as location, and it returns 'no files found' in a second..?
[06:04] <|QuaD-> bob2, kergan: should the new file be .iso?
[06:04] <bob2> |QuaD-: it will be foo.something
[06:05] <|QuaD-> but its an iso right?
[06:05] <bob2> da_bon_bon: you need to be a lote more specific when asking questions
[06:05] <kergan> foo.iso
[06:05] <kergan> yes
[06:05] <LinuxSanta> man
[06:05] <bob2> |QuaD-: it depends what was in the bin file...didn'y you make it?
[06:05] <LinuxSanta> what can i do with a pile of ubuntu cds i had shipped to me ? :)
[06:05] <LinuxSanta> the cds area already outdated
[06:05] <da_bon_bon> bob2: like in my previous question, what more specifics are needed ?
[06:05] <LinuxSanta> i just burnt array2 of hoary
[06:05] <|QuaD-> bob2: nope... friend did
[06:06] <bob2> da_bon_bon: for example, I think you mean: "When using the gnome search tool, putting / as the search location makes it return imediately, regardless of the search string"
[06:06] <LinuxSanta> should i reship ubuntu warty cds?
[06:06] <bob2> LinuxSanta: er, warty is not outdated
[06:06] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  For me it is :P
[06:06] <da_bon_bon> bob2: yes.
[06:06] <kergan> bob2,  and me too
[06:06] <bob2> ?
[06:06] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  Im trying hoary array 2 cd
[06:06] <LinuxSanta> it has a new installer which MAY have fixed my partitioning problem
[06:06] <da_bon_bon> anyone out here spanish ?
[06:06] <bob2> what do you guys use your computers for?
[06:06] <bob2> da_bon_bon: #ubuntu-es
[06:07] <LinuxSanta> da:  ?Que tal?
[06:07] <LinuxSanta> da:  ubuntu-es por favor
[06:07] <kergan> yes pleas
[06:08] <bob2> ?
[06:08] <|QuaD-> kergan, bob2: i get a line that says Reading the cue file, it waits a while, then a line that says writing tracks... then its done, no file though
[06:08] <kergan> dont ask casue i dont even know
[06:08] <|QuaD-> no iso to be found
[06:08] <bob2> |QuaD-: it produced nothing at all?
[06:09] <LinuxSanta> ok let me pray this iso works
[06:09] <kergan> look in the dir you ran it in
[06:09] <bob2> LinuxSanta: why don't you just check the md5sum before burning it?
[06:09] <|QuaD-> bob2: nope
[06:09] <|QuaD-> bchunk 1.cue 1.bin 1.iso
[06:09] <kergan> dont put the .iso
[06:09] <kergan> at the end
[06:09] <bob2> that's not what kergan, I or the man page said to do.
[06:09] <kergan> it breaks creating the file
[06:10] <|QuaD-> o... ok... thats kind of counter intuitive
[06:10] <kergan> just do bchunk 1.cue 1.bin 1
[06:10] <kergan> thats it i'll will put the .ios
[06:10] <kergan> .iso
[06:10] <kergan> hehehe
[06:10] <|QuaD-> yeaj i am trying now
[06:10] <|QuaD-> thanks :)
[06:10] <bob2> well, it's not making an iso, it's dumping out whatever's in the .bin file
[06:11] <kergan> ya basickly its juet renaming it
[06:11] <kergan> so to speak
[06:11] <|QuaD-> its doing it to an iso though... right?
[06:11] <kergan> but its got to know how to read it
[06:11] <bob2> no
[06:11] <kergan> |QuaD-, yes
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> man its great - ubuntu is 9 on dw
[06:11] <bob2> it's extracting whatever is in the .bin file
[06:11] <|QuaD-> now i am confused
[06:11] <bob2> can't you ask your "friend" what's in it?
[06:12] <janc> it was 9 las tweek already...
[06:12] <|QuaD-> if he wasn't at mass
[06:12] <|QuaD-> i know what in it
[06:12] <bob2> distrowatch numbers are completely meaningless, tho
[06:12] <|QuaD-> a movie
[06:12] <kergan> |QuaD-, that might be the prob
[06:13] <|QuaD-> ?
[06:13] <kergan> it cant convert bin/que svcd or vcds to iso
[06:13] <|QuaD-> so how can i watch this in totem-xine?
[06:13] <|QuaD-> thats my basic goal
[06:13] <|QuaD-> i get alsa errors when i try anything in mplayer (though the video works)
[06:13] <kergan> burn it
[06:14] <|QuaD-> thats the only way?
[06:14] <kergan> the copy the mpg off
[06:14] <crimsun> |QuaD-: regarding /dev/mixer?
[06:14] <|QuaD-> crimsun: yeah
[06:14] <|QuaD-> crimsun: you know how to fix?
[06:14] <|QuaD-> i am too lazy to do that research now
[06:15] <crimsun> |QuaD-: the easy way is to use oss emulation
[06:15] <|QuaD-> crimsun: how
[06:16] <crimsun> mplayer -ao oss
[06:16] <|QuaD-> gmplayer -ao oss?
[06:16] <crimsun> sure, if you want the gui
[06:16] <|QuaD-> wow it works!!!
[06:16] <|QuaD-> that was easy!
[06:16] <crimsun> the long way is to construct an ~/.asoundrc with ctl. definition(s) for the the pcm. matches
[06:16] <|QuaD-> thanks :)
[06:16] <calc> a full size vcd mpg file is too big to fit on a regular cd
[06:17] <calc> vcd doesn't use error correction so can fit more data on a disk
[06:17] <da_bon_bon> after how many days do arrays of hoary isos come out ?
[06:17] <da_bon_bon> can i use a burnt hoary iso to update my system ?
[06:18] <gwildor> i would assume so
[06:18] <|QuaD-> mplayer doesn't resize video?
[06:18] <kergan> da_bon_bon,  why not just add the hoary sources and to a smart upgrade using synaptic
[06:18] <crimsun> |QuaD-: in what sense?
[06:18] <crimsun> |QuaD-: -zoom | -xy ?
[06:18] <|QuaD-> crimsun: the image
[06:18] <|QuaD-> crimsun: gmplayer
[06:19] <crimsun> I've always done it with -xy foo
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> kergan: i have limited bandwidth and am thinking of downloading iso at a cafe.
[06:19] <|QuaD-> crimsun: what is foo?
[06:19] <|QuaD-> what type of falue
[06:19] <crimsun> a positive integer
[06:19] <|QuaD-> meaning what?
[06:20] <crimsun> relative to the original size.
[06:20] <crimsun> 1 == 100%
[06:20] <crimsun> 2 == 200%
[06:20] <crimsun> etc.
[06:20] <da_bon_bon> kergan: instead of synaptic, can i use apt-get upgrade ??
[06:20] <kergan> yes
[06:20] <|QuaD-> ahh thanx
[06:20] <kergan> if hoary soures are added
[06:21] <da_bon_bon> ok
[06:24] <da_bon_bon> ogra: hi ru here ?
[06:26] <GotD0t> da_bon_bon: i dont think so, but i am
[06:26] <GotD0t> da_bon_bon: hehe
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> GotD0t: are u same as ogra ?
[06:27] <GotD0t> da_bon_bon: no, but i might be able to help
[06:28] <GotD0t> da_bon_bon: unless you wanted to just talk to him, in which case i might not be able to substitute
[06:28] <kergan> but i could
[06:28] <kergan> lol
[06:29] <da_bon_bon> GotD0t: ok. i am unable to install mplayer, because certtain marillat packages have changed, and i will never be able to use those packages in warty. so do i remove those lines from sources.list ??
[06:29] <GotD0t> da_bon_bon: why cant you use them in warty?
[06:29] <kergan> should be able too
[06:30] <LinuxSanta> cant win
[06:30] <GotD0t> LinuxSanta: neither can i
[06:30] <LinuxSanta> it fixes my boot partition problem
[06:30] <LinuxSanta> with array 2
[06:30] <LinuxSanta> but x wont load
[06:30] <GotD0t> i believe i just euthanized the families computer
[06:30] <LinuxSanta> i get a regular login prompt
[06:30] <LinuxSanta> no x
[06:31] <LinuxSanta> and it failed when it did the updates
[06:31] <LinuxSanta> for hoary
[06:31] <LinuxSanta> which may be part of the problem
[06:31] <kergan> LinuxSanta,  lol
[06:31] <LinuxSanta> i think ill wait for hoary final
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[06:31] <LinuxSanta> hopefully array 3 will be better
[06:31] <LinuxSanta> :)
[06:32] <da_bon_bon> GotD0t: soemthin about christian syncing the packages with sid
[06:32] <LinuxSanta> gotd0t:  On xmas too
[06:32] <LinuxSanta> how evil
[06:32] <LinuxSanta> alala
[06:32] <GotD0t> LinuxSanta: well it was an accidenty
[06:32] <LinuxSanta> i hear ya
[06:32] <LinuxSanta> gotd0t:  Always install on a seperate hd
[06:32] <LinuxSanta> i have a 2nd hd for linux
[06:32] <LinuxSanta> but .........
[06:32] <LinuxSanta> it keeps breaking my boot partition :(
[06:33] <LinuxSanta> so i gotta keep reruning fixmbr
[06:34] <Crane> hello
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> GotD0t: soemthin about christian syncing the packages with sid
[06:34] <Crane> whew santa is tired
[06:34] <LinuxSanta> www.santanorad.org
[06:34] <GotD0t> da_bon_bon: i dunno
[06:34] <LinuxSanta> :P
[06:34] <Crane> lol
[06:34] <LinuxSanta> err www.noradsanta.org
[06:34] <LinuxSanta> sorry
[06:34] <Crane> lol
[06:34] <GotD0t> well im gonna go try and resurrect the computer, my dad might be pissed
[06:34] <Crane> already been there with the kids
[06:35] <LinuxSanta> heh
[06:35] <Crane> kids asleep, presents out
[06:35] <Crane> yea
[06:35] <Crane> how is every one this evening?
[06:36] <Crane> oops
[06:36] <da_bon_bon> my default browsers been set to lynx. how do i change it ?
[06:36] <zenwhen> why would you
[06:37] <zenwhen> the internet is faster without those sily images
[06:37] <da_bon_bon> i want firefox to be defualt
[06:37] <zenwhen> lol
[06:37] <zenwhen> Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Preferred Applications
[06:37] <Crane> click computer>desktop preferences> prefered applications
[06:38] <Crane> lol
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> thank u very much both of u :)
[06:38] <Crane> yea what he said
[06:38] <Crane> ;)
[06:39] <plasmo> select mozilla/netscape 6 if u want firefox to be default
[06:39] <da_bon_bon> how do i minimize xmms to the taskbar ?
[06:39] <plasmo> dont select firefox/firebird
[06:39] <Crane> I think I'll be installing ubuntu on my old laptop tomorrow
[06:39] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: the only option i get is 'debian sensible browser'
[06:40] <plasmo> :0
[06:40] <Crane> I get mozilla firefox
[06:41] <Crane> try selecting Custom Web Browser
[06:41] <plasmo> and type in mozilla-firefox
[06:41] <Crane> and enter Mozilla FireFox
[06:42] <Crane> just wondering
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> ok
[06:42] <Crane> I have mozilla-firefox %s on mine
[06:42] <Crane> what does the %s
[06:42] <plasmo> yeah thats right
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> how do i make _zip_ archive or bz2 archive in file roller ?
[06:42] <Crane> mean?
[06:42] <plasmo> the url
[06:43] <plasmo> location
[06:43] <Crane> oh ok
[06:43] <Crane> thanks
[06:43] <plasmo> ;)
[06:44] <plasmo> file-roller > file > new > select bzip or zip etc
[06:44] <Crane> da_ selecting new archive then arhive type lets you make a zip
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> ok got it.
[06:45] <carajean> does ubuntu like tgz files???
[06:45] <plasmo> o_o
[06:45] <crimsun> carajean: sure
[06:45] <crimsun> carajean: dunno why it wouldn't; those are just gzipped tar files
[06:46] <Crane> lol
[06:46] <Crane> we gotta stop meeting like this
[06:46] <janc> Crane: what's an "old laptop" ?  :-)
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: put on your specs ?
[06:46] <plasmo> p1 133mhz 16mb ed ram :d
[06:46] <Crane> IBM thinkpad
[06:46] <Crane> it's like a 233 mhz
[06:47] <plasmo> da_bon_bon: wats spec @_@
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> spectacles -> o_o   :D
[06:47] <janc> my laptop is a P166MMX with 64 MiB  :)
[06:47] <plasmo> woah
[06:47] <Crane> so ubuntu works good on it?
[06:47] <janc> Compaq Armada
[06:48] <janc> Ubuntu works, except for the soundcard
[06:48] <Crane> Thats about like mine
[06:48] <Crane> you turn it on then take a shower or something while it starts
[06:48] <plasmo> amd xp1800+ 512ddr ram  here:p
[06:48] <Crane> :P
[06:48] <janc> and I use XFce4 on it instead of Gnome desktop  ;-)
[06:48] <plasmo> yeah same. i prefer xfce4
[06:48] <Crane> Xfce is faster isn't it
[06:49] <plasmo> yep
[06:49] <janc> at least on such an old computer
[06:49] <Crane> I tried flux but got lost in configuring it
[06:49] <janc> Gnome takes forever to start  :-p
[06:49] <Crane> yep
[06:49] <Crane> I think KDE is worse
[06:49] <janc> maybe
[06:49] <plasmo> blah i dont like kde
[06:50] <plasmo> too many stuff lol
[06:50] <Crane> I've tried it many times and always end up back on gnome
[06:50] <janc> IceWML is a little faster than XFce4, but it loks like it was designed in the 1980s  ;)
[06:50] <janc> IceWM
[06:50] <gwildor> lol ....1981
[06:50] <plasmo> xfce4 is fast and looks nice. thats why im with it :)
[06:50] <Crane> is that the one that looks like that unstable OS
[06:50] <Crane> lol
[06:51] <plasmo> http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=overview&lang=en
[06:51] <Crane> windows?
[06:51] <Crane> is it hard to install?
[06:52] <plasmo> xfce4? :o
[06:52] <crimsun> xfce4 is quite straightforward to install
[06:52] <janc> both show up in gdm after a reboot...
[06:52] <gwildor> 4.2RC aslo works in ubuntu
[06:53] <smo> anyone know off-hand where nautilus-cd-burner puts the temporary iso while it burns?
[06:53] <GoneBoB> smo: it doesn't
[06:53] <GoneBoB> it writes it on the fl
[06:53] <GoneBoB> y
[06:53] <crimsun> Crane: just enable 'universe' and install 'xfce4'
[06:53] <plasmo> or if u want the newer xfce4 http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[06:53] <smo> it certainly appears to .. it spends half a year creating the image before the writer shows any movement at all :/
[06:53] <Crane> cool thanks
[06:54] <janc> IIRC ubuntu-bp has a newer version of XFce4 too
[06:54] <gwildor> how well does xfce run on that 233?.....related to flux??
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> hey, howz  "xine-ui" ??
[06:54] <janc> xine-ui is ugly
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> or rather, what is xine-ui?
[06:54] <janc> but it works  :)
[06:54] <crimsun> gwildor: flux is lighter weight than xfce
[06:54] <GoneBoB> smo: hrm
[06:55] <crimsun> janc: those need to be updated. Benny synced with 4.2RC3 yesterday.
[06:55] <Crane> yep flux is really light but lots of configing
[06:55] <GoneBoB> smo: I would imagine in /tmp somewhere
[06:55] <gwildor> crimsun, i know, but i was asking about performance on that 233, ie, ther isnt any diff at all on my box
[06:55] <smo> GoneBoB: Perhaps warty/hoary differences .. I just found it in /tmp (surprise surprise  lol).
[06:55] <crimsun> gwildor: I find flux to be marginally "faster" for values of "fast"
[06:55] <janc> XFce4 takes a littel longer than icewm of flux to start up
[06:55] <crimsun> gwildor: granted, I don't even have a working X session currently
[06:56] <janc> but once started you won't see a difference in speed I think
[06:56] <gwildor> crimsun, i was just wondering, i am getting a laptop with the same specs, need to know if i shoulde instal ubuntu base, and get xfce, or jsut go with DSL
[06:56] <gwildor> janc, kk......thnx
[06:57] <crimsun> gwildor: well, I recommend Ubuntu (of course)...
[06:57] <gwildor> lol
[06:57] <plasmo> hah
[06:57] <janc> I just installed full ubuntu (to try) and then added xfce4
[06:57] <janc> then in gdm choose xfce4 as the default
[06:57] <gwildor> janc, really, on that 233.......how long gnome take to start?
[06:58] <janc> like...  5 minutes?  (at least ;)
[06:58] <janc> (it's a 166 btw)
[06:58] <Crane> how do I install Xfce from bachport?
[06:58] <Crane> backport
[06:58] <crimsun> Crane: follow the directions on the front page.
[06:59] <janc> CRUX with XFce4 took < 30 seconds to boot on the same P166MMX with 64 MiB...
[06:59] <gwildor> crux?
[06:59] <Crane> soryy my bad should have read first
[06:59] <crimsun> gwildor: another distro
[06:59] <Crane> sorry
[07:00] <gwildor> oh
[07:00] <janc> that's boot into the desktop (including me entering username & password)
[07:00] <janc> CRUX is a source based distro (you have to compile everything yourself)
[07:00] <gwildor> hmmmmm, that was an ubuntu install on a ?166?
[07:00] <gwildor> oh yeah.....crux
[07:00] <janc> yes :)
[07:01] <gwildor> well, ill give ubuntu a shot on the 233
[07:01] <janc> it's slow, but it works
[07:02] <janc> how much RAM does it have ?
[07:02] <gwildor> 64mb, i think
[07:02] <crimsun> as long as it has >32, you'll be ok.
[07:02] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:03] <plasmo> hello
[07:03] <GotD0t> hi
[07:03] <GotD0t> well the computer isn't dead
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> anyone know eher i can get xp-like transparent icons for ubuntu ?
[07:03] <GotD0t> it just seems to have a fried optical drive
[07:03] <janc> da_bon_bon : what you mean ?
[07:03] <janc> icons are transparent here ?
[07:04] <plasmo> xp transparent icons? o_O
[07:04] <da_bon_bon> janc: i want xp-like icons for ubuntu
[07:04] <plasmo> xp icons for ubuntu D:
[07:04] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: semi-transparent, or whatever, can u please tell me where ?
[07:05] <plasmo> i dunno lol
[07:05] <janc> try some skin/theme/icons/wallpapers/etc. sites ?
[07:05] <GotD0t> does anybody know why some of the gnome-games dont work
[07:06] <janc> which game(s) ?
[07:06] <GotD0t> the yahtzee clone specifically
[07:06] <GotD0t> tali
[07:07] <plasmo> mmm yeah it didnt load up . lol never noticed that
[07:07] <maximaus> just apt-get kobodeluxe and effectively piss your life away. LOL
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> janc: gnome-look doesnt have.
[07:07] <GotD0t> i want yahtzee
[07:07] <plasmo> apt-get install neverball :)
[07:07] <janc> tali seems to work here
[07:07] <GotD0t> janc: are you on warty?
[07:07] <janc> yes
[07:08] <janc> warty
[07:08] <GotD0t> thats why
[07:08] <plasmo> whory here :/
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> GotD0t: tali works on my warty
[07:08] <maximaus> any png icon can be made transparent by editing it in the Gimp. ;)
[07:08] <GotD0t> hoary here as well
[07:08] <janc> hoary is for people who like broken apps
[07:08] <kergan> janc,  not me
[07:08] <janc> otherwise stay with a stable release...
[07:08] <kergan> all is worken
[07:08] <kergan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.904 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 237/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.86G Free: 33.03G Procs: 86 Uptime: 4 hrs 10 mins 25 secs Load: 1.40 1.97 2.00  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 1.16G Out: 69.09M
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: whats 'whory' ? warty+hoary ?
[07:09] <plasmo> lol
[07:09] <kergan> da_bon_bon,  a mispelling gone away
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> ok
[07:09] <maximaus> whory's the version that "gets out" a lot.
[07:10] <janc> btw: if anyone cares, wingide (closed source python ide) seems to work okay on Ubuntu
[07:10] <kergan> wow in 4hrs manged to transver 1.16gigs
[07:10] <janc> (alien conversion from the rpm download)
[07:10] <skobrosl> anyone here have mono installed?
[07:11] <janc> xmas dinner @ my parents in 5 hours  :)
[07:12] <Crane> what are we having
[07:12] <stuNNed> janc, heh :)
[07:12] <Crane> :)
[07:12] <stuNNed> lol
[07:12] <kergan> santa over norad
[07:12] <kergan> lol
[07:12] <Crane> hmmm I'm having brealfast with mine in 6 hours
[07:12] <janc> and a 45 min drive to do before I get there
[07:12] <Crane> breakfast
[07:13] <GotD0t> im having brunch in 10
[07:13] <janc> so, that makes a max. of 4 hours sleep  :-/
[07:13] <Crane> slepp fast my friend
[07:13] <Crane> sleep
[07:13] <janc> dodo everybody  :-)
[07:13] <Crane> sheesh I can't spell tonight
[07:14] <janc> you drank a little too much like me ?  ;-)
[07:19] <da_bon_bon> how do i view tv if i have a tv tuner card?] 
[07:23] <kergan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.904 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 291/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.86G Free: 33.03G Procs: 81 Uptime: 4 hrs 24 mins 50 secs Load: 1.98 2.02 2.02  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 1.20G Out: 71.50M
[07:25] <calc> kergan: what prints that?
[07:25] <neighborlee> da_bon_bon, you need : xawtv and possibly others apps...depending on your card no doubt but that should be good start
[07:26] <Crane> calc: there scripts you can add to xchat
[07:26] <calc> oh ok
[07:26] <Crane> http://www.xchat.org
[07:26] <kergan> calc,  its a .tcl for xchat2
[07:27] <Crane> oh what are you using?
[07:27] <calc> irssi
[07:27] <Crane> oh ok
[07:28] <Crane> wow 252 users online
[07:30] <kergan> better
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> neighborlee: thnx
[07:31] <neighborlee> np
[07:40] <kergan> this song rocks
[07:41] <crimsun> kergan: please don't spam the channel, thanks :)
[07:42] <spikeb> howdy folks
[07:42] <crimsun> howdy, spikeb
[07:42] <kergan> sorry no one was talking
[07:42] <kergan> so i was trying to get some one to talk ;)
[07:42] <plasmo> #test :)
[07:43] <kergan> hehehhe
[07:43] <plasmo> i just compiled the xsys plugin
[07:43] <aokaze> question:  I have a computer that I move around a bit but it changes from useing lan card to useing external modem.  when I have the lan card in I cannot go to websites that I dial from the modem but I can do websites fine from the lan card if its connected to a computer with internet.  I at the moment have to remove the lan card from the computer to use modem.  Could someone tell me how to set it up that it wont be a problem
[07:43] <plasmo> all seems to work fine except the /video :/
[07:44] <spikeb> heh
[07:44] <spikeb> it should be quiet, being a yank holiday and all
[07:50] <plasmo> mmm kernel 2.6.10 released
[07:55] <spikeb> wonder what they broke with this release :)
[07:56] <crimsun> nothing. Except it doesn't boot. =)p
[07:56] <crimsun> j/k
[07:56] <plasmo> lol
[07:57] <Amaranth> spikeb: Christmas is a yank holiday?
[07:59] <spikeb> seems to be the biggest deal here
[08:02] <miggumike> what is the fastest desktop for unix
[08:02] <miggumike> kde, cde, gnome or xfce?
[08:02] <spikeb> something that doesn't use X?
[08:02] <spikeb> heh
[08:02] <spikeb> probably CDE or XFCE
[08:02] <miggumike> yeah, i'm pretty sick of KDE
[08:02] <crimsun> skip 'em all and use blackbox
[08:03] <crimsun> or pwm or ion or something
[08:03] <kergan> miggumike,  gnome is faster than kde
[08:03] <spikeb> heh i like cde
[08:03] <miggumike> is blackbox still updated?
[08:03] <crimsun> miggumike: yes.
[08:03] <crimsun> 0.70beta2+cvs currently
[08:03] <miggumike> i'll check it out, thanks
[08:06] <Amaranth> ratpoison is fastest, i can almost guarantee that
[08:07] <spikeb> TWM
[08:07] <spikeb> heh
[08:07] <kergan> lol
[08:07] <spikeb> i actually used to use twm for a while there.
[08:07] <spikeb> :)
[08:18] <kergan> i want some stickey ickey icKEY
[08:22] <Amaranth> kergan: You must not be an Ubuntu user, you have iTunes.
[08:22] <Amaranth> :)
[08:23] <kergan> no
[08:23] <kergan> i dont use itunes
[08:23] <Amaranth> oh, I read that wrong
[08:23] <Amaranth> Damn, now my pitch for showing off my latest work is shot. :)
[08:23] <kergan> i use xmms like a good linux boy
[08:23] <Amaranth> ick
[08:24] <kergan> lol
[08:24] <Amaranth> Rhythmbox or Muine :)
[08:24] <kergan> xmms works so i dont fuck with it
[08:25] <spikeb> heh
[08:25] <spikeb> i hate xmms
[08:25] <spikeb> with a passion
[08:26] <kergan> it works and has never failed me
[08:26] <kergan> tharu 4 distros
[08:26] <kergan> that i have used
[08:27] <carajean> hey can someone tell me how to create a working exe icon for world of warcraft
[08:29] <kergan> carajean,  i dont know how
[08:29] <Amaranth> carajean: Ubuntu doesn't have exe files.
[08:29] <kergan> Amaranth, hes using wine
[08:29] <crimsun> (cedega/point2play, actually)
[08:29] <kergan> samn deference
[08:29] <Amaranth> #cedega would be the place to ask, I think.
[08:29] <crimsun> already asked.
[08:30] <crimsun> asked here afterward, actually.
[08:30] <Amaranth> hmm, I wonder if this channel has the same rules as #php
[08:30] <Amaranth> basically it tells you where to ask for help with apache and mysql then says if those guys don't answer too bad :P
[08:33] <spikeb> heh
[08:33] <spikeb> sometimes we're like that
[08:34] <spikeb> wtf
[08:34] <spikeb> why aren't there any templates installed with OO
[08:38] <tuxJr_14> hi
[08:38] <zenrox> tuxJr_14,
[08:38] <zenrox> hi
[08:39] <tuxJr_14> hi zenrox
[08:39] <zenrox> how are you on this fine evening
[08:41] <tuxJr_14> zenrox: not everyone is enjoying an evening right now. Its currently afternoon for me
[08:42] <zenrox> tuxJr_14,  whare you from then
[08:42] <tuxJr_14> zenrox: india +0530 gmt
[08:42] <zenrox> ohh kewl
[08:43] <zenrox> i am on the west coast of the usa
[08:44] <tuxJr_14> zenrox: enjoying the fine weather. its chilling over here
[08:45] <zenrox> ya and no snow either
[08:45] <zenwhen> im having a really bad night myself
[08:46] <tuxJr_14> zenwhen: where art thou?
[08:46] <zenrox> zenwhen,  your allways a little off
[08:46] <spikeb> how come?
[08:46] <zenwhen> my leg fell asleep so I cant get up and I am afraid Im going to fart :(
[08:46] <tuxJr_14> btw, merry xmas everybody
[08:46] <zenwhen> you too :)
[08:46] <tuxJr_14> zenwhen: better get some room freshners!
[08:46] <zenwhen> oh no!
[08:47] <zenrox> hehehe
[08:47] <zenrox> ahhhhhh
[08:47] <zenwhen> lol
[08:47] <zenrox> i feel better now
[08:47] <zenrox> how about you
[08:48] <zenrox> welcome mistic
[08:48] <zenwhen> :)
[08:49] <spikeb> i cant tell ya how happy i am to be back using gnome and ubuntu
[08:49] <zenwhen> lol
[08:49] <zenwhen> I think you should shhhh
[08:49] <zenwhen> I could see something bad happening.
[08:49] <zenwhen> This channel isnt #ubuntuforums
[08:49] <zenwhen> :P
[08:49] <zenrox> did i say that out loud
[08:49] <zenrox> lol
[08:49] <spikeb> it's also not #zenwhen
[08:50] <zenrox> hahahha
[08:50] <zenrox> or #zenmen
[08:50] <spikeb> im going ot bed
[08:50] <zenrox> zenwhen, how did you come up with your nick
[08:51] <zenwhen> needed a nick
[08:51] <zenwhen> back in the day
[08:51] <zenwhen> like
[08:51] <zenwhen> 94
[08:51] <zenrox> mine i took too words and put them together zen (from the sobe flavor of zen blend) and the last 3 letters from xerox
[08:52] <zenrox> in 97
[08:52] <zenwhen> lol
[08:53] <zenwhen> I still use the nick though it has been banned from most placed on the net.
[08:53] <zenwhen> Ive been fairly good since coming to the OSS community.
[08:53] <zenwhen> :)
[08:53] <zenwhen> and having grown up
[08:53] <zenwhen> a good deal
[08:53] <zenrox> how old are you
[08:53] <zenwhen> 23
[08:53] <zenwhen> lmao
[08:53] <zenrox> 26 here
[08:53] <zenrox> i am older than you
[08:53] <zenrox> woohoo
[08:54] <zenout> goodnight everyon
[08:54] <zenout> e
[08:54] <zenrox> night zenout
[08:55] <tuxJr_14> zenout: good night. sleep tight. don't let the M$ users bite
[09:07] <nicedreams> what's a linux alternative to gamespy?
[09:08] <crimsun> nicedreams: xqf(6)
[09:09] <nicedreams> nice...thx
[09:09] <nicedreams> that's what i was trying to remember
[09:42] <melazyboy> I have a pretty simple question, i have been running hoary stable for about a month now and i want to dist-upgrade it, in the process im seeing that it will remove libnautilus2-2, can i find out why that package is set to be removed, and what is removing it
[09:44] <melazyboy> nobody?
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> i still have my default browser as lynx, not firefox :(
[09:45] <melazyboy> fascinating
[09:45] <frankps> graphics are overrated
[09:46] <mike_douglas> old school ;)
[09:47] <da_bon_bon> no i want my defult to be firefox
[09:47] <mike_douglas> what is wrong?
[09:47] <melazyboy> open firefox, go tools options, click default browser, click ok
[09:48] <da_bon_bon> theres no "option" in "tools"
[09:48] <Ribs> da_bon_bon, Edit -> Preferences
[09:49] <melazyboy> right edit->preferences.
[09:49] <da_bon_bon> and hten?
[09:49] <da_bon_bon> *then ?
[09:49] <Ribs> da_bon_bon, Then use common sense
[09:49] <melazyboy> click 'default browser', then click 'ok'
[09:49] <melazyboy> lol
[09:49] <Ribs> da_bon_bon, The Default Browser box is right there
[09:50] <da_bon_bon> no. theres only "general, privacy, web feature, advanced" i use FF 1.0
[09:50] <melazyboy> son of a goat whore
[09:50] <melazyboy> its under general.
[09:50] <Ribs> da_bon_bon, By default, General is selected already
[09:51] <Ribs> unless you've been in that menu before
[09:51] <da_bon_bon> ok
[09:52] <melazyboy> I have a pretty simple question, i have been running hoary stable for about a month now and i want to dist-upgrade it, in the process im seeing that it will remove libnautilus2-2, can i find out why that package is set to be removed, and what is removing it
[09:53] <Ribs> da_bon_bon, Talk in the channel, that's why it's here.
[09:53] <Ribs> melazyboy, Can't be that simple, nobody knows the answer :)
[09:53] <melazyboy> yes but logically how difficult or rare can it be?
[09:53] <da_bon_bon> Ribs: i want to send a screenshot, becuase default browser doewsnt appear
[09:54] <Ribs> melazyboy, dunno, tried google?
[09:54] <melazyboy> i mean dpkg is a dependency database
[09:54] <melazyboy> yes i have tried google
[09:54] <Ribs> da_bon_bon, General tab, fourth little box thing down
[09:54] <Ribs> melazyboy, I'm not an expert on dpkg
[09:54] <melazyboy> how vital is libnautilus?
[09:54] <Ribs> I'd say pretty vital
[09:54] <da_bon_bon> Ribs: i am sure it isnt there...
[09:55] <Ribs> Are you sure it isn't installing another version?
[09:55] <Ribs> da_bon_bon, I don't know then.
[09:55] <da_bon_bon> Ribs: please accept a screenshot?
[09:55] <Ribs> da_bon_bon, no
[09:55] <Brikkah> hello, are the IRQ number in windows the same as in Linux ??
[09:55] <da_bon_bon> Ribs: ok. thank u anyways.
[09:55] <calc> melazyboy: the dependency resolver may show you
[09:55] <Ribs> melazyboy, like, remoing 2.2, but adding 2.4 ?
[09:55] <Ribs> Brikkah, IRQ numbers are set by the BIOS
[09:55] <Ribs> Brikkah, So I'd say so.
[09:55] <etorix> i dont see a default setting on that panel either
[09:56] <melazyboy> Ribs: I tried running a dist-upgrade and greping the output no joy for nautilus
[09:56] <Ribs> oh wait, I'm using 1.0
[09:56] <Ribs> could be why
[09:56] <Brikkah> ok, Ubuntu says it disables IRQ #9 but in windows there isn't a #9
[09:56] <Ribs> Brikkah, Does your hardware work?
[09:56] <Ribs> Brikkah, It hasen't broken anything, right?
[09:56] <Brikkah> in windows it does :) and it is dual boot
[09:57] <calc> Debug::pkgProblemResolver
[09:57] <melazyboy> Ribs: It tries to install libnautilus-extension1, libnautilus-burn0, nautilus, nautilus-cd-burner, and nautilus-data, so do you think it really needs libnautilus2-2?
[09:57] <calc> pass that to apt-get to get it to show you the full info
[09:57] <Ribs> melazyboy, Nautilus may not work without it.
[10:02] <da_bon_bon> how do i install a cursor pack?
[10:06] <sukoshi> hi
[10:07] <plasmo`xmas`away> hello
[10:08] <sukoshi> merry christmas :)
[10:08] <plasmo`xmas`away> u too =D
[10:08] <sukoshi> i do have a question regarding Ubuntu Linux
[10:08] <plasmo`xmas`away> go ahead
[10:08] <sukoshi> i use it usually on my professional laptop
[10:09] <sukoshi> yesterday, i installed in on my subnotebook (toshiba portege 3490CT)
[10:09] <sukoshi> the subnotebook doesn"t come with a cdrom reader
[10:09] <sukoshi> so i always need to dismantle it, swap the HDD on a cdromreader equipped PC
[10:09] <sukoshi> and install
[10:10] <sukoshi> after swapping back, it works like a charm
[10:10] <sukoshi> except that it doesn't recognize the eth0 interface
[10:10] <sukoshi> hotplug load all the required module, and dmesg seems to tell that all is good
[10:11] <sukoshi> i'm usually more a gentoo user, not a debianbased distro
[10:11] <sukoshi> the config files are different ;)
[10:11] <Lathiat2> indeed
[10:11] <Lathiat2> sukoshi: lspci, can you see the network controller?
[10:11] <sukoshi> PCMCIA card
[10:11] <Lathiat2> ahh
[10:11] <sukoshi> the wircom_ps2 is loaded
[10:11] <Lathiat2> right
[10:11] <sukoshi> xirmcom
[10:12] <Lathiat2> xircom_ps2?
[10:12] <sukoshi> fuck
[10:12] <sukoshi> xircom
[10:12] <sukoshi> sorry ;)
[10:12] <plasmo`xmas`away> lol
[10:12] <sukoshi> pcmcia is launched
[10:12] <Lathiat2> hmm odd
[10:12] <sukoshi> all seems right
[10:12] <Lathiat2> it worked on other linux?
[10:12] <sukoshi> yeah it used to be on gentoo
[10:13] <Lathiat2> puzzling
[10:13] <sukoshi> when i installed ubuntu last night, there still was gentoo on it
[10:13] <sukoshi> i launched base-config bacl
[10:13] <sukoshi> back but it doesn't help configuring the network
[10:14] <Lathiat2> so ifconfig eth0
[10:14] <Lathiat2> says no device
[10:14] <Lathiat2> the interface isnt just down?
[10:14] <sukoshi> let me power on the laptop :)
[10:19] <rapha> Hi all!
[10:20] <rapha> I'm on Hoary (with X.org) and trying to get my 3D acceleration back (using an NVidia card). But it keeps telling me "(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX".
[10:20] <rapha> Could somebody give me a hand with this?
[10:20] <Lathiat2> rapha: try thsi
[10:20] <Lathiat2> rapha: cd /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions
[10:20] <Lathiat2> rapha: ln -s libglx.so libglx.a
[10:21] <Lathiat2> and restart X (logging out isn't sufficient)
[10:21] <Lathiat2> just hit ctrl+alt+backsapce
[10:21] <rapha> Yeah I know, already am on the console for this :)
[10:21] <Lathiat2> that worked for me
[10:21] <Lathiat2> its scary, it doesnt make sense, but it works
[10:22] <melazyboy> any chance you know how to get xorg to work with ati 9800 (trick question)
[10:22] <melazyboy> 3d accel
[10:22] <rapha> Yay, no error message anymore!
[10:22] <Lathiat2> melazyboy: fglrx?
[10:22] <|rufius|> melazyboy: there's ati patches out there everywhere i believe
[10:22] <Lathiat2> rapha: i should but that in the wiki
[10:22] <Lathiat2> rapha: glxgears?
[10:22] <|rufius|> melazyboy: check on http://rage3d.com
[10:22] <sukoshi> ifconfig eth0 works
[10:22] <|rufius|> there ought to be posts about xorg and ati
[10:22] <melazyboy> Lathiat2: Any way possible
[10:23] <melazyboy> |rufius|: checking it out now
[10:27] <rapha> Lathiat2: It works, thanks a heap! ... but there's a wierd abnormal change in framerates, for two seconds they'll be somewhere around 120, then for another two seconds or so at only 10-20 fps...
[10:28] <Lathiat2> rapha: you on a laptop/
[10:29] <melazyboy> |rufius|: Still doens't appear to be a fix
[10:31] <da_bon_bon> hi al
[10:33] <rapha> Lathiat2: Nope, desktop machine. Sempron 2400+ at 1800MHz. And it's an old GeForce2 MX, a PCI card
[10:34] <rapha> Lathiat2: I know this machine can run glxgears smoothly, at _more_ than 5 frames per second, so something's not sound.
[10:34] <rapha> s/machine/configuration to be precise.
[10:35] <etorix> hmm .. mencoders are updating
[10:36] <da_bon_bon> hoe do i change my cursors to ctystalcursors? i already have the tehems/
[10:36] <da_bon_bon> *how
[10:38] <da_bon_bon> why does gnome-look also show kde stuff?
[10:38] <rapha> Lathiat2: HAH! Got it! There was an old process of Chromium still hanging around, hogging CPU. Killed it and all is fine now.
[10:40] <Lathiat2> rapha: haha
[10:40] <Lathiat2> rapha: was gonna say otherwise cpu sclaing on laptops kills it as well
[10:42] <rapha> Lathiat2: Well, my Laptop's a Pentium II at 366MHz, no 3D acceleration. I'd be surprised if it runs glxgears at all ;-)
[10:42] <Lathiat2> haha
[10:42] <da_bon_bon> how do i add a my computer icon on desktop ?
[10:44] <Lathiat2> gconftool-2 --set /apps/nautilus/desktop/computer_icon_visible true --type boolean
[10:51] <lod> hello everybody!
[10:53] <infected-heero17> hi
[10:53] <infected-heero17> :)
[10:53] <infected-heero17> merry xmass
[10:53] <lod> I was just wondering, if anyone could give me a pointer in running memtest from the 0.8.6 gnoppix/ubuntu release...  The /boot/memtest file appears to have gone on holiday.
[10:54] <Lathiat2> lod: gnoppix (afaik) is not ubuntu..
[10:54] <Lathiat2> or at least it wasn't
[10:54] <lod> ahh, could you direct me to the right place?
[10:55] <Lathiat2> if your trying to run memtest86, i'm sure you can get boot floppies for that
[10:55] <lod> The support link from gnoppix went to ubuntu, and the cd seems to call itself ubuntu (splash screens etc.)
[10:55] <Pozac> Gnoppix is a linux live cd based upon Ubuntu Linux.
[10:56] <lod> ahh, right.  I'm pulling the dedicated memtest iso now.
[10:56] <lod> I mainly wanted to find somewhere to report the bug.
[10:56] <lod> Grub has a memtest option, but the boot file isn't in the iso.
[10:58] <rapha> Anybody else here playing Quake 3?
[10:59] <Pozac> rapha, I played it.. do you have problems?
[10:59] <lod> this is the warty live cd
[11:00] <lod> Gnoppix 0.8.2 goes by the name of Warty.
[11:00] <Pozac> ok
[11:02] <lod> md5sum matches the ubuntu warty release.
[11:03] <Pozac> ok then
[11:03] <lod> I'll report it to the ubuntu bugzilla, thanks for the help.
[11:04] <Pozac> lod, do that :)
[11:04] <Sigma> hey guys
[11:04] <Pozac> hi Sigma
[11:04] <Sigma> here is a new german ubuntu-forum: http://www.ubuntu-forum.de
[11:04] <Sigma> =)
[11:04] <Sigma> hi pozac
[11:06] <Sigma> no problem :)
[11:06] <Sigma> most german are able to speak english :)
[11:09] <Pozac> So apparently the danish gov't can save up to 64 million euro's a year, just by switching to openoffice
[11:10] <mike_douglas> anyone try OO.org 2 yet? Suppose to be really good.
[11:14] <lod> yay, Bug 4976 Submitted
[11:16] <will_> HAPPY CHRISTMAS!
[11:17] <Adrenal> are there any progs that can play dvds?
[11:18] <crimsun> sure
[11:18] <Adrenal> and their names would be?
[11:18] <crimsun> see the RestrictedFormats section on the wiki
[11:19] <Adrenal> kk
[11:22] <da_bon_bon> totem xine is really cool
[11:23] <Adrenal> totem xine will play dvds?
[11:24] <da_bon_bon> Adrenal: after u get libdvdcss2
[11:24] <Adrenal> kk
[11:24] <Adrenal> oh
[11:24] <crimsun> ('totem-xine' is the package)
[11:24] <Adrenal> and merry Christmas everyone
[11:25] <da_bon_bon> merry christmas to u to.
[11:25] <Adrenal> ok
[11:25] <Adrenal> installed totem xine
[11:25] <Adrenal> how do i use
[11:25] <da_bon_bon> how do i change xirc input box color
[11:25] <Adrenal> totem-xinbe in terminal returns a no command error
[11:26] <da_bon_bon> Adrenal: like u used to before - just run the mpg4 files and they will play.
[11:26] <Adrenal> mpg4 files?
[11:26] <da_bon_bon> Adrenal: totem-xine replaces totem, hte command remains same.
[11:27] <Adrenal> kk
[11:27] <Adrenal> but, i tried playing the dvd disk in totem before
[11:27] <Adrenal> it didn't work
[11:28] <da_bon_bon> Adrenal: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[11:28] <Adrenal> already done
[11:28] <da_bon_bon> u have the proper repos. right ?
[11:28] <Adrenal> Unexpected/unknown cd type 0x0
[11:28] <Adrenal> yeh
[11:30] <Adrenal> apperently
[11:30] <Adrenal> its not implemented
[11:32] <Adrenal> install xine-ui
[11:32] <da_bon_bon> u got libdvdcss ?
[11:33] <Adrenal> yeh
[11:34] <Adrenal> still nothing
[11:35] <da_bon_bon> Adrenal: apt-get install xine-ui
[11:35] <da_bon_bon> or try vlc
[11:36] <Adrenal> YES
[11:36] <Adrenal> GOT IT
[11:36] <Adrenal> THANK YOU
[11:36] <Adrenal> A THOUSAND THANK YOU'S
[11:36] <Adrenal> meh, later
[11:36] <Adrenal> ...thank you, so much
[11:41] <bobmepis> hi
[11:43] <Sixfoot5_NL> hi
[11:51] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[11:51] <da_bon_bon> how do i add kde to ubuntu ?
[11:52] <da_bon_bon> anyone here??
[11:53] <Josip> hey everybody , just installed unbuntu
[11:54] <Josip> i tried to compile aMule, but when i ./configure i get this <checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables>
[11:54] <Josip> any ideas why this error has occured ? thanks .
[11:54] <siretart> Josip: apt-get install build-essential
[11:55] <siretart> you are missing packages for compiling c++ apps
[11:55] <Josip> build-essential are those packages, right ?
[11:55] <Josip> okay, installed
[11:55] <Josip> configure: error: unable to use zlib - no peer found
[11:56] <siretart> it is a meta-package depending on the compiler's packages
[11:56] <Josip> have to install zlib now :)
[11:56] <siretart> Josip: no, install zlib-dev
[11:56] <mike_douglas> is the python-pygame package broken in hoary for anyone else?
[11:56] <Josip> <apt-get install zlib-dev> ?
[11:56] <siretart> apt-get install zlib1g-dev
[11:57] <Josip> E: Couldn't find package zliblg-dev
[11:57] <mike_douglas> it seems to depend a python version greater than 2.4 (obviously that doesn't exist)
[11:57] <Josip> where can i fidn a list of all packages ?
[11:57] <siretart> Josip: btw, did you try the debian package for amule? perhaps less efford installing it
[11:57] <Josip> it's out dated
[11:58] <Josip> http://www.amule.org/files/files.php?cat=15
[11:58] <Josip> no such file .
[11:58] <siretart> 1.2.6+rc7-2 is outdated?
[11:58] <siretart> I dont know about amule, I'm using mldonkey
[11:59] <Josip> 2.0 is the latest version .
[11:59] <siretart> ah, I see.
[11:59] <Josip> i'll try mldonkey ;)
[11:59] <plasmo> download the rpm and alien it ;p
[12:00] <Josip> alien ?
[12:00] <Josip> damn i have to install apache and php and mysql now .
[12:00] <Josip> :)
[12:00] <plasmo> alien for converting deb tar rpm etc
[12:00] <Josip> http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~dhansen/mldonkey/vd.png
[12:00] <Josip> this is mldonkey ? too ugly :)
[12:01] <Josip> which rpm to download then :))
[12:01] <Josip> fc's one ? :)
[12:01] <plasmo> yeah try that o_o might work lol
[12:02] <siretart> Josip: mkdonkey has a client server architecture. for clients there are 3 interfaces available: telnet (seen on the screenshot), a gtk interface and a web interface
[12:02] <Josip> thanks .
[12:02] <siretart> Josip: I even heard about a windows client, but never tried it (no windows here)
[12:02] <Josip> brb to edit my network interface
[12:02] <Josip> ;-)
[12:05] <underdog> hi everyone
[12:06] <underdog> is anyone aware why the latest xorg doesn't have the GLX extension?
[12:06] <plasmo> hi
[12:07] <siretart> underdog: this would result in not being able to use opengl apps at all I think. No, xorg has glx to my knowledge
[12:07] <underdog> siretart, I know the effects
[12:08] <underdog> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:08] <underdog> this is what I get with glxinfo
[12:09] <underdog> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX
[12:09] <underdog> this is what is in the log
[12:09] <plasmo> cd /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions
[12:09] <siretart> underdog: did you load the nvidia kernel module?
[12:09] <plasmo> ln -s libglx.so libglx.a
[12:10] <underdog> hmm
[12:10] <underdog> siretart, it's loaded
[12:10] <underdog> plasmo, let me check that
[12:10] <underdog> be right back
[12:14] <underdog> plasmo, thanks
[12:14] <underdog> it worked
[12:14] <plasmo> cool ;)
[12:15] <underdog> u r0x0r! lol
[12:15] <plasmo> -.-
[12:21] <Josip> nick Josip
[12:21] <Josip> sorry ;)
[12:28] <Josip> lol ;-)
[12:42] <Josip> i have a simple question , i've mounted 2 ntfs partitions to /mnt/winc and /mnt/wind. But with normal user i can't access them , and i can't chmod because they're read only
[12:42] <Josip> any ideas
[12:43] <plasmo> edit /etc/fstab
[12:43] <Josip> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/winc       ntfs    defaults,ro     0       0
[12:43] <Josip> /dev/hdb6       /mnt/wind       ntfs    defaults,ro     0       0
[12:43] <Josip> this is my configuration
[12:43] <plasmo> mmm
[12:43] <Josip> shall that work ?
[12:44] <plasmo> no :)
[12:44] <Josip> why ?
[12:44] <Josip> :)
[12:44] <Ribs> add 'users' as a option
[12:44] <Ribs> might help
[12:44] <plasmo> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/winc      ntfs    rw,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0000        0       0
[12:44] <plasmo> try that. maybe o_o
[12:44] <Ribs> or that
[12:44] <Josip> not rw, jut r
[12:45] <plasmo> oh wait
[12:45] <plasmo> ntfs?! u cant write to ntfs
[12:45] <ctd> dum dum duuum
[12:45] <plasmo> rw = ro :)
[12:46] <Josip> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/winc      ntfs    ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0000        0       0
[12:46] <Josip> that shall work i think
[12:46] <Josip> :D
[12:46] <plasmo> yeah try that :|
[12:51] <Josip> brb to reboot
[01:03] <intinig> Hello all.
[01:03] <intinig> merry christmas
[01:03] <intinig> and a question: I want to make an ubuntu livecd that can boot from a usb drive. Any pointer?
[01:04] <plasmo> lol was compiling and ran out of space
[01:05] <plasmo> mmm ill look the usb thing for you. should be in the wiki
[01:07] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:08] <da_bon_bon> at a few places i see words "Should not Happen(tm)" why the tm after the wors? they arent trademarked, or are they /?
[01:08] <da_bon_bon> *words
[01:09] <Ribs> ignore it
[01:09] <Ribs> It's really not important
[01:09] <da_bon_bon> no, please ell me. i ahgve seen it quite a few places.
[01:10] <plasmo> intinig: no idea
[01:10] <Caspar> i wanna install grub (again) only forgot how to do that whit grub
[01:11] <Caspar> can someone help
[01:11] <da_bon_bon> Caspar: /sbin/grub-install hdX
[01:12] <Gordan> hi guys someone knows hot to configure a Logitech MX500 usb?
[01:13] <Caspar> da_bon_bon: i am now in grub whit koppix
[01:14] <Caspar> so how must i do that
[01:14] <da_bon_bon> oh. so u can boot into ubuntu at all ?
[01:14] <Caspar> nope
[01:15] <da_bon_bon> ok wheres ur ubuntu installed ? /dev/hdXX ?
[01:15] <Caspar> windows reinstall becose of only crashes but i want to play UT2004
[01:15] <Caspar> hd0,2
[01:15] <Caspar> o
[01:15] <Caspar> w8
[01:15] <Caspar> lemme see
[01:16] <Gordan> noone knows abouth the MX500 mouse?
[01:16] <da_bon_bon> Gordan: just plugging it in doesnt work ?
[01:17] <Gordan> yes but i don't have the right zaxis mapping
[01:17] <da_bon_bon> sorry, dont know much about that...
[01:17] <Gordan> i've changed the protocol to explorerps/2
[01:17] <Gordan> and mapped the Z to 6 7
[01:17] <Gordan> (this work on mandrake)
[01:18] <Gordan> but the wheel and the side buttons aren't working
[01:19] <Caspar> but whit install whit me?
[01:20] <da_bon_bon> Caspar: : u got it ?
[01:22] <Caspar> got what?
[01:26] <da_bon_bon> at a few places i see words "Should not Happen(tm)" why the tm after the wors? they arent trademarked, or are they /?
[01:26] <Cloudchaser> Merry Christmas to everyone!
[01:26] <da_bon_bon> Cloudchaser: to you too
[01:26] <da_bon_bon> Caspar: got grub to load?
[01:27] <plasmo> da_bon_bon: i think thats just a joke lol
[01:27] <da_bon_bon> plasmo: buyt whats the joke ?
[01:28] <plasmo> means should not happen
[01:28] <Caspar> da_bon_bon Nope
[01:28] <Caspar> da_bon_bon
[01:28] <Caspar> i want to istall it again
[01:28] <Cloudchaser> i think its like...famous last words: "That shouldn't happen" but...it did ;)
[01:28] <Caspar> it workd last time
[01:28] <da_bon_bon> Caspar: tell me where ubuntu is installed /dev/hdXX ??
[01:28] <Caspar> no how do i mount my hd again?
[01:28] <Caspar> moun hd0,0 hd?
[01:29] <da_bon_bon> mount -t vfat /dev/hdXX /mnt/<your_dur>
[01:33] <Caspar> it is hda2
[01:33] <Caspar> so if i am correct hd0,2
[01:33] <da_bon_bon> Caspar: ok. so in knoppix do chroot /mnt/hda2
[01:34] <da_bon_bon> first mount ur /dev/hda2 to the /mnt/hda2 if it is not already mounted in knoppix.
[01:35] <Caspar> no ha
[01:35] <Caspar> hd
[01:35] <Caspar> :P
[01:35] <da_bon_bon> i said hda2
[01:36] <Caspar> done
[01:36] <da_bon_bon> ok u have chrooted ?
[01:36] <Caspar> chrooted?
[01:37] <da_bon_bon> Caspar: ok. so in knoppix do chroot /mnt/hda2
[01:37] <Caspar> k done
[01:38] <Caspar> now i get root@Knopix:/ # instaid of (blue) root@ttyp1[hda2] 
[01:38] <da_bon_bon> hey, have u installed knoppix on hda2 ?
[01:39] <Ribs> It's 'you'
[01:39] <plasmo> u_u
[01:39] <da_bon_bon> ok
[01:40] <Caspar> i did that da_bon_bon
[01:41] <Caspar> brb
[01:42] <da_bon_bon> Caspar: not type /sbin/grub-instal /dev/hda
[01:44] <da_bon_bon> Caspar: now type /sbin/grub-instal /dev/hda
[01:45] <plasmo> grub-install*
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> ya sorry.
[01:45] <plasmo> =D
[01:51] <Caspar> ok ill try to reboot now
[01:56] <jims> heller
[01:56] <jims> ubuntu rocks for server
[01:56] <kebac> heh
[01:57] <NeoXed> hrm
[01:57] <NeoXed> anyone know anything aobut root kits?
[01:57] <Caspar> how can i mount the MBR?
[01:58] <HcE> Caspar: you can read it with dd I think
[01:58] <Caspar> becose o guy can't load his XP and it says it misses NTLDR
[01:58] <Caspar> a
[01:58] <HcE> I think it's the first 512 bytes on the disk
[01:59] <glyce101> hi there
[01:59] <glyce101> anyone from germany here ?
[01:59] <glyce101> i have a problem with ubuntu linux and my ThinkPad IBM600E
[01:59] <glyce101> iam a Linux newbie..
[02:00] <glyce101> and sound did not work
[02:00] <glyce101> so i used modprobe
[02:00] <glyce101> and no i aktivated the sound and it works
[02:00] <glyce101> but i want that Ubuntu loads the sound ..
[02:00] <glyce101> what should i do ?
[02:02] <Pozac> glyce101, add it to /etc/modules
[02:02] <Pozac> glyce101, then it will be loaded at boot
[02:02] <Caspar> ill be back later
[02:03] <glyce101> and how can i do this ?
[02:03] <glyce101> sry..
[02:03] <Pozac> sudo gedit /etc/modules
[02:03] <Pozac> from a terminal
[02:04] <glyce101> oh
[02:04] <glyce101> and than..
[02:04] <glyce101> i type the same as in moprobe ?
[02:04] <glyce101> e.g. cs4232 io=0x534 irp=5 etc. ?
[02:05] <glyce101> i try..thank you very much
[02:05] <Pozac> not sure, but try
[02:06] <glyce101> i try an restart..
[02:06] <glyce101> ill inform you if it works or not
[02:06] <glyce101> c ya
[02:07] <Marshall> anyone know anything about sfx winrar .exe root kits?
[02:07] <Pozac> root kits eh?
[02:08] <Marshall> yeah
[02:08] <Pozac> for ubuntu?
[02:08] <Marshall> uh
[02:08] <Marshall> for windows
[02:08] <Pozac> Then why ask in the Ubuntu support channel?
[02:09] <Marshall> lol
[02:09] <Marshall> trying to find someone who can help?
[02:09] <Marshall> :P
[02:09] <Sixfoot5_NL> well who knows?
[02:10] <Pozac> Marshall, did you try #windows ? :)
[02:10] <Marshall> LMFAO
[02:10] <Marshall> 4 pplz?
[02:12] <occy> is there a way to grow the size of a file with dd?  like, if I've done  dd if=/dev/zero of=hda.img bs=1M count=1024   and I've already got things on that file...
[02:12] <Lathiat2> occy: yeh seek=1024 count=1024
[02:12] <Lathiat2> adds another GB
[02:13] <Pozac> 1024M or 1024?
[02:13] <occy> Lathiat2: ahh, right on.  tx.
[02:13] <Lathiat2> well bs=1M
[02:13] <Lathiat2> then its just 1024
[02:13] <Pozac> oh
[02:13] <occy> Merry Christmas :) btw.
[02:13] <occy> if you celebrate such things. :)
[02:13] <Pozac> Merry Christmas :)
[02:14] <DarthJ> hi
[02:14] <Pozac> hello darth J
[02:14] <DarthJ> i have sound porblems with ubuntu get always OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program.
[02:14] <DarthJ> any ideas?
[02:15] <Cloudchaser> has anyone sync'd a palm with ubuntu?
[02:15] <Pozac> DarthJ, The Gnome Sound server uses /dev/dspp
[02:15] <Pozac> -p
[02:16] <DarthJ> what can i do to get sound?
[02:16] <Pozac> DarthJ, so use DSP output if the programs support it
[02:16] <Pozac> or disable the sound server in System -> Settings -> Sound
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> sorry
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> anyone here? sidd and hypn0 left ?
[02:17] <DarthJ> i have now disabled it but i here nothing
[02:17] <DarthJ> hear
[02:18] <Pozac> DarthJ, try running lsof /dev/dsp
[02:18] <Pozac> from terminal
[02:18] <Pozac> lsof = LiSt Open Files
[02:19] <DarthJ> its opened by rythmbox
[02:19] <Pozac> and rhythmbox is not running?
[02:20] <DarthJ> i run rythmbox but with no errror but i heat nothing
[02:20] <DarthJ> hear
[02:20] <Pozac> DarthJ, ok, do you have the gstreamer-plugins-mad package?
[02:21] <DarthJ> i dont know i have installed standard installation
[02:21] <punkrockguy318> why is my ALSA mixer so confusing?  OSS is simple (volume, bass, speaker, line-in, mic, cd, etc), but ALSA has ilke Headphone LFE, TONE, about 20 EMU PCM Sends... what the  heck?
[02:21] <Cloudchaser> no palm users here?
[02:21] <Zotnix> When I try to run glxgears I get a weird error, "[sis_alloc.c:154] : Failure to allocate Z buffer." I've search google which showed nothing about this error.. not sure what it is at all. The file doesn't exist (as far as locate it telling me. Searching for it now).
[02:21] <punkrockguy318> and how am I using both ALSA and OSS?
[02:21] <Zotnix> OSS is emulated I think
[02:21] <Zotnix> alsa_oss
[02:21] <punkrockguy318> oh
[02:21] <punkrockguy318> but why is the ALSA mixer so homo?
[02:22] <Pozac> DarthJ, Sounds like you need to read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:23] <punkrockguy318> oh so ALSA is emulated, and the OSS mixer is set up for use
[02:23] <punkrockguy318> right?
[02:23] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, alsa emulates the oss interface
[02:23] <punkrockguy318> Pozac, right... and Ubuntu sets up the OSS Mixer correct?  And leaves the ALSA mixer for serious tweaking?
[02:23] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, through the snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss modules
[02:23] <punkrockguy318> yeah
[02:24] <punkrockguy318> i was just wondering why I had both Mixers in my Volume control
[02:24] <punkrockguy318> and why ALSA had so many odd channels
[02:24] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, it just shows all available mixers
[02:24] <punkrockguy318> there are over 100
[02:24] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, I think it depends on your sound card :)
[02:24] <punkrockguy318> and there are at least 10 EMU10k1 pcms
[02:24] <Pozac> lots of stuff to tweak
[02:24] <punkrockguy318> Pozac, yeah
[02:25] <punkrockguy318> Pozac, so Ubuntu put the OSS mixer in there for basic usage, and the ALSA for advanced right?
[02:25] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, all mixers are in there
[02:25] <punkrockguy318> yeah, i know.  But the OSS mixer is so nice and neat
[02:25] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, I installed a saa7134 tv card in a machine, and it's mixer also came up inthere :)
[02:25] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, give it time :)
[02:26] <Pozac> and use the OSS mixer for now
[02:26] <punkrockguy318> okay
[02:26] <punkrockguy318> thanks :D
[02:26] <punkrockguy318> Pozac, is there a comand line version of the OSS mixer?  like alsamixer?
[02:26] <DarthJ> gstreamer-mad was already installed
[02:26] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, I've used aumix in the past
[02:26] <punkrockguy318> oh yeah I forgot about aumix
[02:26] <Pozac> :)
[02:26] <punkrockguy318> thanks :D
[02:27] <Pozac> DarthJ, Odd
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> hi all.
[02:27] <Pozac> hi da_bon_bon
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> is there anyway to get a bootsplash on ubuntu ?
[02:27] <punkrockguy318> my speakers are broken I think, the volume wheel doesn't change the volume...
[02:27] <punkrockguy318> lol
[02:27] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, you can code it :)
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: any readymade way :D ??
[02:27] <DarthJ> pozac: what do you mean?
[02:27] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, don't think so..
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> btw, people say livecd has botospalsh, but i dont see it ??
[02:28] <punkrockguy318> Pozac, thanks a lot for all your help :D
[02:29] <Pozac> DarthJ, try opening the Applications -> System -> System Monitor and end the rhythmbox process
[02:29] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, I haven't tried it (yet.. shame on me), do you get 80x25 text mode or a higher resolution on boot?
[02:30] <etorix> you need bootsplash enabled in the kernel
[02:31] <etorix> then install a theme
[02:31] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: lemme se
[02:41] <glyce101> hi again
[02:41] <glyce101> thx for help but didn work
[02:43] <glyce101> dies anyone know how to add lines to modules.conf ??
[02:43] <glyce101> ive read, that i cannot do this directly in the file
[02:43] <glyce101> http://jeremy.zawodny.com/misc/thinkpad-600e-sound.html
[02:44] <glyce101> found this page to get sound work..
[02:44] <glyce101> but dont know how to do it in ubuntu linux
[02:48] <M4R2H411> http://radi0.blackboxz.net:8000/listen.pls [-=BlackBoxz Radio=-]  [Server Status] :  Server is currently up and public.
[02:48] <glyce101> where can i search for help ?
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> hiya..could anyone here maybe help me with something?
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> i'm trying to get my palm to sync with gnome-pilog
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> pilot
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> all the modules seem to be there
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> dmesg shows its detected
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> but...it just hangs when i try to sync it
[02:55] <siretart> has someone made experiences with webcal? I'd like to have a shared calendar/todo list for evolution (2.x). what do I need for doing that?
[02:56] <Cloudchaser> is there an xml viewer/editor in ubuntu?
[02:57] <arrrrrr> hello
[02:57] <arrrrrr> does anyone have a working XF86config file for dual head monitor?
[02:58] <arrrrrr> also, strangely when I tried to install ubuntu, it says that linux image 386 cannot be installed in my computer. I wonder why
[02:58] <arrrrrr> i have a sata hard drive by the way
[02:58] <arrrrrr> but ubuntu still detects my partition..
[02:58] <glyce101> ..
[02:58] <glyce101> nothing happens
[02:59] <etorix> yeah i found ubuntu sees my SATA .. but not my hardware clock
[03:01] <anir> hey guys
[03:01] <anir> how are you all
[03:01] <anir> merry xmas
[03:02] <anir> well can anyone tell me how will i install java on my sys??
[03:02] <bobmepis> fine thanks merry xmas
[03:02] <bobmepis> to you
[03:02] <anir> thank you bobmepis
[03:03] <anir> guys can you help me??
[03:04] <arrrrrr> i did last time
[03:04] <arrrrrr> i remember there are two types
[03:04] <arrrrrr> use the bugger one (the package to download)
[03:04] <arrrrrr> i mean
[03:04] <arrrrrr> bigger
[03:04] <arrrrrr> sorry
[03:04] <arrrrrr> i don't think it's binary
[03:05] <max_sam> well i downloaded the package.. but i dont know how to install it on the system..
[03:05] <max_sam> well as i type su and give my password.. the sys not accepting it
[03:05] <max_sam> hey bur[n] er_ can u help me?
[03:06] <bobmepis> java2sdk swtandard edition http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/downloads.jsp
[03:06] <max_sam> crimsun i need your help
[03:06] <max_sam> bobmepis: i downloaded the package.. now i cant install it in the sys
[03:07] <xevil> max_sam you trying to install a .deb package?
[03:08] <max_sam> xevil: well i went to the java.com site and i installed the self extracted package
[03:09] <max_sam> xevil: doesnot the .deb file works on ubuntu??
[03:09] <xevil> oh yes...
[03:09] <max_sam> xevil: soo..??
[03:09] <max_sam> waht the command to install the package??
[03:10] <xevil> is that what you're trying to install? a .deb file?
[03:10] <etorix> so what java deb?
[03:10] <etorix> sun doesnt supply .debs
[03:10] <max_sam> xevil:well i dont know..i downloaded from their site
[03:11] <zenwhen> 2.6.10 stable :O
[03:11] <xevil> max_sam you tried reading their documentation?
[03:11] <etorix> go read on the wiki
[03:12] <zenwhen> max_sam, have you tried http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:12] <zenwhen> They have java instructions that work,
[03:12] <zenwhen> .
[03:13] <max_sam> xevil: i read.. its written. to install type su and give your password.. but when i type su and give my password on the terminal.. it says su: authetication failure..sorry
[03:13] <etorix> thats beside the point
[03:13] <Cloudchaser> hey when i look in my /dev there is no ttyUSB1 or pilot devices
[03:14] <Cloudchaser> doesn't ubuntu hav a full /dev list?
[03:15] <bobmepis> sudo xterm -ls -sb ti to open root terminal
[03:15] <Cloudchaser> i'm a little bit confused and not so knowledgeable...but the how-to told me to make a symlink which i did but can't find
[03:15] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: devices are created when they appear in the kernel
[03:15] <Cloudchaser> i'm not sure i understand that...
[03:15] <Cloudchaser> i'm sorry
[03:15] <Cloudchaser> i'm trying to get my palm to sync
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> the ubuntu guide said to do this:
[03:16] <Cloudchaser>  $ sudo ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> i did that
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> but it won't sync..it just hangs when i try to set up the program
[03:16] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: do you have a /dev/ttyUSB0 ?
[03:17] <Cloudchaser> there is no /dev/ttyUSB1 or /dev/pilot or /devttyUSB0
[03:17] <Cloudchaser> lots of ttyS's
[03:18] <Cloudchaser> and tty through tty63
[03:18] <Cloudchaser> but no USB ones
[03:18] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: does the device-manager see your device ?
[03:19] <xevil> max_sam try sudo -s... that will get you a root shell... then type exit
[03:19] <Cloudchaser> doesn't seem to be in the device manager list..it shows up in usbview
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> and in dmesg it shows the device connecting
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> visor 1-1.1:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> usb 1-1.1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> usb 1-1.1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB1
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> modprobe visor returns nothing
[03:21] <Cloudchaser> all the necessary modules are loaded up in lsmod
[03:24] <Cloudchaser> sjoerd, if its not in the device manager...what would i do next?
[03:24] <Cloudchaser> the device manager doesn't show my wireless mouse either but thats working fine
[03:25] <sjoerd> well it should at least show your usb devices
[03:25] <sjoerd> you can doublecheck by doing lsusb in a console
[03:25] <sjoerd> your palm should show up if it's connected to usb
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> mross@ubuntu:/dev $ sudo lsusb
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 012: ID 046d:c508 Logitech, Inc.
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 011: ID 0451:1446 Texas Instruments, Inc. TUSB2040/2070 Hub
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[03:26] <ogra> and you shouldnt follow this strange guide, $ sudo ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot is totally wrong
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> shows my hub and my mouse and unknown
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> strange guide?
[03:26] <ogra> yep
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> its not strange...
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> wrong in this instance maybe...
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> but anyway
[03:27] <sjoerd> you can ignore the 0000:0000 stuff
[03:27] <ogra> i fixed a nvidia setup yesterday, it took me 4 hours to get the Xserver running again for the guy that followed the guide
[03:27] <Cloudchaser> well right now its all i have..i've googled and looked in the forums
[03:27] <Cloudchaser> but can't find an answer
[03:27] <ogra> it is wron (or just with too many maual effort) in many places
[03:27] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: it looks like your palm isn't connected the right way ?
[03:27] <ogra> +g
[03:28] <ogra> Cloudchaser: there are several threads in the ubuntu-users list
[03:28] <Cloudchaser> well its connected via usb but it doesn't seem to communicate with gnome-pilot
[03:28] <Cloudchaser> hmm i don't have that one in my bookmarks
[03:29] <ogra> Cloudchaser: gmane is a good place for searching the mailing list
[03:29] <Cloudchaser> whats gmane?
[03:29] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: if the kernel doesn't see it on usb then there is no point in the other apps
[03:30] <ogra> www.gmane.org
[03:30] <Cloudchaser> how do i know if the kernel sees it?
[03:30] <sjoerd> that's what lsusb shows you
[03:30] <zenwhen> ogra, are you compiling the christmas kernel? :)
[03:30] <ogra> heh, nope zenwhen, i compile the mataro screensaver lock window currently ;)
[03:31] <sjoerd> ogra: btw is it just the window or can it do more
[03:31] <Cloudchaser> so whats seeing the device if usbview and dmesg sees it?
[03:31] <Cloudchaser> the gmane search for palm in group ubuntu-users came up with no results
[03:32] <ogra> currently just the win, i wanted more, but jdub trys to keep me away from too much effort as he wants the gnome screensaver to go in after hoary
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> is there a link to hte list?
[03:32] <sjoerd> ogra: ah right, good point
[03:32] <borgmeister> merry christmas
[03:32] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: uh, usbviews sees it but lsusb doesn't ?
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> merry christmas ;)
[03:33] <Cloudchaser> yes
[03:33] <sjoerd> that's odd
[03:33] <vegai> jubilous Yule to you all ;)
[03:34] <ogra> Cloudchaser:  http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[03:34] <Cloudchaser> thanks ogra
[03:35] <ogra> someone should really review the ubuntuguide page......
[03:35] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: and sudo lsusb
[03:35] <spikeb> hi folks and happy holidays
[03:35] <Cloudchaser> sjoerd, i did sudo it  :)
[03:36] <sjoerd> that's very weird.. because they both look at what the kernel knows
[03:36] <ogra> sjoerd: lets see what i can do dbus wise, even if ubuntu will switch to gnome-screensaver, debian will still use xscreensaver in lots of setups ;)
[03:36] <Cloudchaser> odd..now usbview is'nt showing mouse or visor
[03:37] <spikeb> gnome-screensaver?
[03:37] <sjoerd> ogra: well don't go into the trouble if gnome-screensaver is gonna take over
[03:37] <scotth> I'm having a slight problem with my cdrom running hoary
[03:37] <sjoerd> ogra: the deiban gnome desktop will use gnome-screensaver then too
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> i have to get this working
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> i lost all my info 2 days ago when my visor's battery ran out
[03:38] <ogra> sjoerd: ok.... i will sotp afte utf-8 is in ;)
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> because i forgot to backup the sync stuff when i reformatted
[03:38] <scotth> basically its not recognized at all across a reboot where before it was having issues ejecting the cdrom and now udev doesn't create the device nodes for it
[03:38] <ogra> stop
[03:38] <scotth> any thoughts?
[03:38] <sjoerd> ogra: and then you'll start hacking on gnome-screensaver ;)
[03:38] <ogra> heh
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> ah here we go@
[03:38] <ogra> good point
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> when i hit the sync button
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> it shows in usbview and in lsusb
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 014: ID 082d:0200 Handspring
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 012: ID 046d:c508 Logitech, Inc.
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 011: ID 0451:1446 Texas Instruments, Inc. TUSB2040/2070 Hub
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[03:38] <vegai> http://www.samsungexplore.com/playing/games_arcade/AdventCalendar/day24.html
[03:39] <lek> Ah 2.6.10 is out
[03:39] <spikeb> yay
[03:39] <spikeb> wonder what they broke this time
[03:39] <Cloudchaser> so thats good right sjoerd?
[03:39] <Cloudchaser> now we have that anyway
[03:40] <Cloudchaser> and now device manager sees it
[03:40] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: that's better, yes
[03:40] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: now does the device manager also show an usb serial port for it ?
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> it shows as a usb device
[03:41] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: or in other words do you have a /dev/ttyUSB0
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> yes!
[03:41] <sjoerd> :)
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> and a ttyusb1!
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> i guess it uses both
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> but for sync ttyusb1
[03:42] <sjoerd> apparently
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> hence the link
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> so it should link ttyUSB1 to /dev/pilot
[03:42] <sjoerd> you should just configure gpilot to use /dev/ttyUSB1 i guess
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> thats not an option
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> its /dev/pilot
[03:43] <sjoerd> stupid program
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> or ttyS0-3
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> so i have to make link for ttyUSB1 to /dev/pilot
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> which i did but it doesn't show up there, i'll try doing it again
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> ok now i see the link ;)
[03:45] <ogra> Cloudchaser: btw, here is a better gmane link for future searches: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> unfortunately..the visor locked up when i hit the sync button before
[03:47] <HcE> woho
[03:47] <HcE> <-- fglrx and 2.6.10 =)
[03:48] <spikeb> <---ubuntu default and DRI
[03:48] <spikeb> heh
[03:48] <Cloudchaser> hmm one thing said he had to reboot for jpilot to work
[03:48] <Cloudchaser> i'll try that and if gnome-pilot still doesn't work i'll try jpilot
[03:49] <spikeb> i still think ubuntu sounds like a breed of cow
[03:49] <etorix> hmm ati has new xorg drivers?
[03:49] <ogra> Cloudchaser: multisync with evolution seems also a good way
[03:49] <zenwhen> ten bucks says they suck
[03:49] <Cloudchaser> cept i don't use evolution...
[03:50] <Cloudchaser> i guess i could though
[03:50] <etorix> 15!
[03:50] <Cloudchaser> i'll look up multisync too
[03:50] <ogra> Cloudchaser: dunno if multisync is tied to evo though
[03:50] <spikeb> i dont see anything on ati's website about new drivers.
[03:50] <Cloudchaser> i just need to save my data and install programs to my visor
[03:50] <miausX> hi and... merry xmas!! :))
[03:51] <spikeb> same to you miausX
[03:51] <ogra> merry xmas
[03:51] <miausX> thanks spikeb ;)
[03:51] <miausX> hehehe, I'm happy to see you here :D
[03:52] <miausX> lol :D
[03:53] <etorix> http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=productsLINUXdriver&submit.x=7&submit.y=11
[03:54] <Cloudchaser> reading the ubuntu-user postings about it but no solutions so far
[03:54] <ogra> etorix: ?
[03:54] <spikeb> all i see are the drivers from november
[03:54] <ogra> for xfree
[03:55] <etorix> i dont use ati
[03:55] <spikeb> im stuck with a radeon on this motherboard
[03:55] <spikeb> bleh
[03:55] <ogra> spikeb: using warty or hoary ?
[03:56] <spikeb> warty
[03:56] <Hikaru79> Is wxPython already included in Ubuntu's version of Python?
[03:56] <Hikaru79> Because I can't find it anywhere else in the respository
[03:56] <ogra> spikeb: there are tested ati drivers in a nice package.....
[03:56] <Hikaru79> And it seems like too popular a package for it to be simply missing from warty.
[03:56] <spikeb> ogra, aye - i'd use them if i wanted to play games
[03:57] <ogra> ah, ok......
[03:57] <spikeb> my processor is too wimpy to play the one game i want to play correctly
[03:57] <spikeb> heh
[03:57] <ogra> heh
[03:59] <Hikaru79> Does Ubuntu's python come with wx bindings?
[03:59] <spikeb> hmm
[03:59] <sjoerd> Hikaru79: you should be able to install the python wx bindings
[04:00] <ogra> i think in universe.....
[04:00] <sjoerd> probably
[04:03] <spikeb> i saw that hoary will have another menu
[04:03] <spikeb> a places menu. :)
[04:03] <ogra> spikeb: the name could still change ;)
[04:04] <dorle> hi, how do i switch to a danish language (gnome's menus, etc.) for a particular user on my system?
[04:04] <Cloudchaser> ok read all the visor posts...no solutions for me ;(
[04:04] <spikeb> ogra, from what i saw, the name was perfect - that menu had entries for some of  the different "places" one can get to on their puter
[04:05] <ogra> dorle: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales brings you the right support... then you can select danish in gdm on login
[04:05] <Josip> i type <ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.3> , but when i reboot and type ifconfig i get inet addr:192.168.1.13
[04:05] <Josip> any ideas why this happens ?
[04:05] <spikeb> Josip, it sounds like you have dhcp on your network
[04:05] <ogra> spikeb: but there is still an ongoing discussion afaik
[04:06] <spikeb> hmm
[04:06] <Josip> i have ethernet modem
[04:06] <Josip> it works as dhcp
[04:06] <spikeb> ogra, judging from warty, i am confident the final decision will be a good one :)
[04:06] <Cloudchaser> grrr now its connecting to usb2 and usb3 ...instead of usb0 and usb1
[04:06] <ogra> spikeb: yep :)
[04:06] <Lathiat2> Cloudchaser: reboot, probably got stuck devices
[04:06] <Lathiat2> from dangling file handles
[04:06] <Cloudchaser> yah
[04:07] <ogra> Cloudchaser: see some documentation for udev, how to set a link for /dev/pilot to ttyUSBX
[04:07] <CheatersRealm> none of my hardware-accelerated screensavers work in hoary, anyone know why?
[04:07] <spikeb> this is pretty cool though - now i have a desktop distro, and a server distro that's similar (debian proper for server)
[04:07] <CheatersRealm> glxgears doesn't work either
[04:07] <dorle> ogra: alright, nice
[04:07] <spikeb> somethings broken
[04:07] <Lukas> I need to install kernel-headers and i have kernel-2.6.8.1 but there are no such kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-686
[04:07] <ogra> CheatersRealm: video card ?
[04:08] <spikeb> either your config or the hoary packages
[04:08] <CheatersRealm> ogra, nvidia gf3
[04:08] <ogra> dorle: frohe weihnachten ;)
[04:08] <ogra> CheatersRealm: warty ?
[04:08] <SomeOtherNerd> Lukas: try linux-headers
[04:08] <dorle> ogra: danke gleichfalls!
[04:08] <spikeb> Lukas, it's under the name linux-headers
[04:08] <CheatersRealm> ogra, hoary
[04:08] <Cloudchaser> oh wiat a min..i remember once...i saw something that said i have to be member of dialup and something else...
[04:08] <Lukas> SomeOtherNerd: apt-get install linux-headers?
[04:08] <CheatersRealm> ogra, they worked in warty
[04:09] <spikeb> CheatersRealm, then hoary broke it :)
[04:09] <CheatersRealm> spikeb, obviously
[04:09] <SomeOtherNerd> Lukas: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.8.1
[04:09] <CheatersRealm> spikeb, how can I un-break it?
[04:09] <spikeb> CheatersRealm, bitch and wait a little bit for updated packages?
[04:09] <spikeb> heh
[04:09] <spikeb> i dunno, i went back to warty
[04:09] <ogra> CheatersRealm: did you update the nvidia-glx package ?
[04:09] <CheatersRealm> ogra ywah
[04:10] <ogra> CheatersRealm: hmm, then you have to wait until the X maintainer is back from holidays i guess :/
[04:10] <CheatersRealm> ogra, ok
[04:10] <dzogi_> what did you say about my question ?
[04:10] <dzogi_> something happend ;-(
[04:12] <dzogi_> i type <ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.3> but when i reboot i get 192.168.1.13
[04:12] <spikeb> i think i might just get myself a sempteron mobo/cpu combo :)
[04:12] <dzogi_> any ideas why this happens ?
[04:12] <dzogi_> spikeb, Sempron you mean ? :)
[04:12] <spikeb> ahh yes
[04:12] <spikeb> that i mean.
[04:12] <Dzogi> bah, better go for AMD64
[04:12] <Dzogi> Socket 949
[04:13] <Dzogi> i hate Semprons
[04:13] <Dzogi> :)
[04:13] <spikeb> dont have that kind of money
[04:13] <spikeb> heh
[04:13] <ogra> dzogi_: looks like you get a dhcp address from anywhere....or 192.168.1.13 is set up in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:14] <Dzogi> # The primary network interface
[04:14] <Dzogi> auto eth0
[04:14] <Dzogi> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[04:14] <Dzogi> pasting from /etc/network/interfaces
[04:14] <ogra> not here please
[04:14] <Dzogi> 3 lines
[04:14] <ogra> ah, ok, if thats all
[04:14] <ogra> so dhcp is enabled ;)
[04:16] <ogra> Dzogi: either adjust your dhcp server or use a fixed ip (with the network config tool or by a manual entry in /etc/network/interfaces)
[04:17] <Dzogi> already doing the second option
[04:17] <Dzogi> :)
[04:18] <Dzogi> auto eth0
[04:18] <Dzogi> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[04:18] <Dzogi>         address 192.168.1.3
[04:18] <Dzogi>         netmask 255.255.255.0
[04:18] <Dzogi> this shall work i think
[04:18] <ogra> nope, remove dhcp.....
[04:18] <Dzogi> except instead of dhcp shall stay static
[04:18] <ogra> yep
[04:18] <Dzogi> brb
[04:18] <Dzogi> to reboot ;-)
[04:18] <ogra> ifdow/ ifup woud do
[04:18] <ogra> +l
[04:28] <drspin> alright - I'm installing ubuntu in a few minutes... if my net card worked with the LiveCD, is it safe to assume that it will work out of the box after an install?
[04:29] <Lukas> How do I install nvidia drivers - do I need to install the nvidia drivers and nvidia-glx?
[04:29] <spikeb> yes
[04:29] <drspin> yes
[04:30] <drspin> so about my net card??
[04:30] <drspin> any t akers?
[04:30] <ogra> Lukas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:30] <Lukas> The nvidia driver says I dont have something binary precompiled for my kernel and if it should download it
[04:30] <spikeb> do an upgrade first
[04:31] <ogra> Lukas: use the ubuntu nvidia driver ;)
[04:31] <spikeb> to make sure you have the latest kernel
[04:31] <spikeb> and make sure you use the ubuntu driver
[04:31] <Lukas> how/what should i upgrade?
[04:32] <borgmeister_> does anyone know an application similar to peer gaudian for linux?
[04:32] <ogra> Lukas: see the wiki page
[04:32] <spikeb> what is peer gaudian?
[04:32] <spikeb> (guardian i assume)
[04:32] <ogra> spikeb: peer is the bad guy that always resets connections in irc *g*
[04:32] <spikeb> lol
[04:32] <borgmeister_> its a program that i use in windows to stop nasty people like the riaa sending you naff data during bittirrent sessions
[04:33] <spikeb> hmm
[04:34] <drspin> alright - I'm installing ubuntu in a few minutes... if my net card worked with the LiveCD, is it safe to assume that it will work out of the box after an install?
[04:34] <spikeb> drspin, yes
[04:34] <drspin> K thanks!
[04:34] <drspin> :)
[04:34] <drspin> be back in an hour or so - hopefully!
[04:35] <spikeb> good luck :)
[04:35] <drspin> oh still have to burn the CD and copy my data and whatnot to my other drive
[04:36] <spikeb> wtf is goobox part of gnome 2.9 for
[04:36] <ogra> Goobox is an CD player and ripper for GNOME 2 environment. It follows the "Just Works" principle so its interface is beautiful and easy-to-use.
[04:38] <drspin> Is there a Conexant driver for Ubuntu?
[04:39] <ogra> drspin: smartlink is there.....http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:40] <drspin> thanks
[04:40] <ogra> drspin: not sure if it wirks for conexant modems.....but i guess so
[04:40] <drspin> Ill try it and let you know
[04:41] <ogra> :)
[04:43] <siretart> does anyone know a webcal server suitable for evolution?
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> well i gave up on gnome-pilot
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> and got jpilot
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> but can't find anywhere in it to set up the syncing
[04:47] <tsw> Is there something funny with kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686 my laptop lost pcmcia after upgrading (and booting)?
[04:48] <tsw> says no sockets found
[04:48] <tsw> 2.6.8-3-686 worked fine
[04:48] <ogra> tsw: you shouldnt use the vanilla kernel, take the ubuntu patched one i.e. linux-image-2.6.8-4-686, not kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686
[04:49] <tsw> hmm ill check wich one was it
[04:49] <tsw> no pcmcia means no network on my laptop amt
[04:49] <tsw> atm
[04:49] <ogra> tsw: synaptic will show whats installed :)
[04:50] <tsw> ogra: never used synaptic :) I work from shell
[04:50] <carajea1> is there a good avi player with the files already installed
[04:50] <spikeb> no
[04:51] <tsw> ogra: it seems it is linux-image-...
[04:51] <ogra> tsw: any selfcompiled modules for your pcmcia device ?
[04:52] <tsw> ogra: atmel wlan driver, but I disabled it already..
[04:52] <carajea1> my avi file will not play in totem whats worng and i dont know how to play it in xine
[04:52] <tsw> /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart says cardmbr: no sockets found
[04:53] <ogra> tsw: there was some inconsisten ABI change due to a security hole upstream.....if you compiled your own modules you will have to recompile them
[04:53] <tsw> ogra: yes I know that, but the pcmcia should work if i dont use the atmel module
[04:53] <ogra> carajea1: install totem-xine, it uses xine as a backend for totem
[04:53] <lek> i like gxine better
[04:53] <tsw> even if I take all the cards out pcmcia "base" wont load
[04:54] <ogra> tsw: do you know what the atmel driver changed ?
[04:54] <ogra> tsw: probably also the pcmcia stuff.....
[04:55] <tsw> ogra: I know that last night I updated the image and in the morning when I rebooted pcmcia didnt start
[04:55] <tsw> the old atmel driver is disabled so it shouldnt make any difference
[04:55] <tsw> and for some reason upgrade also removed 2.6.8-3 version
[04:56] <ogra> tsw: if compiling the atmel driver introduced changes to the pcmcia stack......
[04:56] <tsw> ogra: but shouldnt the new image write over those changes
[04:57] <ogra> tsw: probably it changes cardmgr.....i dunno....
[04:57] <Razbad> hi all...I'm new to linux/ubuntu and am having a hard time with finding the root password as it was not displayed during the ubuntu install
[04:57] <vegai> there's no such thing
[04:57] <vegai> use sudo
[04:57] <vegai> (is there? ;)
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> darn i get same results with jpilot as i did with gnome pilot
[04:58] <Razbad> when I do it asks for the root password
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> ;(
[04:58] <vegai> Razbad: no, it asks for your user's password
[04:58] <Razbad> when I put mine in it tells me incorrect password
[04:59] <vegai> then there's something amiss ;)
[04:59] <Razbad> that's what I figured
[04:59] <vegai> is that user in group wheel, I wonder?
[04:59] <Razbad> I tried sudo -s -H and it appears to work
[04:59] <SomeOtherNerd> vegai: it's a remnant of *BSD
[05:00] <vegai> SomeOtherNerd: hm?
[05:00] <SomeOtherNerd> vegai: unless you know how to use it, don't bother
[05:00] <vegai> SomeOtherNerd: hm again ;)?
[05:00] <attaq> could some one help me with some questions about translucent widnows in x?
[05:00] <vegai> granted, I've used *BSD more than Ubuntu, so ...
[05:01] <SomeOtherNerd> vegai: in *BSD, only users in group wheel can use su to switch users
[05:01] <vegai> yes
[05:01] <vegai> wasn't ubuntu's sudo by default configured like that too?
[05:01] <SomeOtherNerd> vegai: many GNU/Linux distros include a wheel group, but don't use it
[05:01] <Razbad> vegai: it won't allow me to change the root password either
[05:01] <vegai> dr_willis: wheels drive a car... that's the metaphor, I think
[05:02] <dr_willis> vegai,  heh - somthing like "suallowed" was too hard eh? :P
[05:02] <vegai> but what about Ubuntu's sudo?
[05:02] <Razbad> vegai: what's a wheel group?
[05:02] <SomeOtherNerd> vegai: no, sudo is configured to allow the default user only to sudo
[05:02] <vegai> SomeOtherNerd: ok.
[05:02] <vegai> Razbad: a remnant of *BSD. ;P
[05:02] <vegai> dr_willis: why not TheUsersInThisGroupCanUseSudo ;P
[05:03] <dr_willis> vegai,  works for me.
[05:03] <Razbad> vegai: so your just talking about a user group in ubunto then?
[05:03] <dr_willis> vegai,  actually ive never seen UPPER case letters in group names.
[05:03] <vegai> frankly, I'm not sure what I'm talking about
[05:03] <vegai> some wine is involved
[05:04] <ogra> vegai: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:04] <siretart> vegai: most linux distros call the bsd "wheel" group just "root". I configure my linux systems to use that group to act like bsd
[05:04] <vegai> anyway, I wasn't the one with the problems
[05:05] <vegai> you should be talking to Razbad  ;)
[05:05] <Razbad> vegai : thanks
[05:05] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: root is a different group and has a *very* different purpose than wheel
[05:05] <vegai> my favourite distro uses wheel like BSD (and it does other things in a BSD manner, too)
[05:05] <siretart> SomeOtherNerd: yes? please explain
[05:06] <vegai> Razbad: ogra's link seems quite helpful
[05:06] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: group root is meant for root to be able to have a umask of 002, allowing group projects, but preventing any user other than root from writing to roots files
[05:06] <Razbad> vegai: I'm looking at it now
[05:07] <Razbad> ogra: thanks
[05:07] <ogra> :)
[05:07] <siretart> SomeOtherNerd: what is the drawback for using the group wheel like the group root?
[05:08] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: root must not have a umask of 00*, making group projects harder
[05:09] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: on a single user machine, or even a family machine, it doesn't matter, but it does on machines like shell.sourceforge.net
[05:09] <siretart> SomeOtherNerd: I'm note quite sure what you mean with group projects. All members of the group root have root access anyway, so I don't understand the difference..
[05:10] <Razbad> thanks for the help guys/gals...l8er
[05:11] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: lets say you have a website in /var/www/grproj.example.net user: rmx group: grproj
[05:11] <Cloudchaser> holy toledo i'm getting somwhere with my palm!  :)
[05:11] <ogra> Cloudchaser: great ! jpiot ?
[05:11] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: you want any user in group grproj to be able to read/write to /var/www/grproj.example.net
[05:11] <ogra> +l
[05:11] <Cloudchaser> well i found somewhere
[05:12] <Cloudchaser> that you have to push the sync button on the visor before you open the software
[05:12] <Cloudchaser> so i did that, then opened jpilot and hit sync
[05:12] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: so /var/www/grproj.example.net should have perms 2775
[05:12] <Cloudchaser> it connected! but...its first time sync so it has no name
[05:12] <Cloudchaser> so now i have to figure out how to get it to have the sync name
[05:13] <siretart> SomeOtherNerd: so far I understood, but whats the problem with the root group now?
[05:13] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: if root wants to change something in /var/www/grproj.example.net, s/he has to have a umask of 002 to keep perms the same
[05:13] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: if root has a umask of 002, any user of group root can edit his/her files
[05:14] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: EOT
[05:14] <carajean> hey do any of u know if there is a way to get a ipod to work with linux
[05:15] <SomeOtherNerd> carajean: I've read postson debian-users@lists.debian.org of people doing it, so it's probably possible, but I've never done it
[05:15] <spikeb> carajean, yup there sure is
[05:15] <ogra> carajean: gtkpod does some basic stuff....
[05:15] <siretart> SomeOtherNerd: this seems to me only a problem when working a lot as root, which is deprecated anyways. I think I see your point, but not the practical relevance when using root only for doing small administrative jobs
[05:16] <carajean> thank u as usual orga
[05:16] <spikeb> rhythmbox has optional ipod support
[05:16] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: you're right, this applies more to common users than root
[05:16] <carajean> for real
[05:16] <spikeb> yes but i dont know if the version in warty has it enabled
[05:17] <Setite> hello everyone
[05:17] <siretart> SomeOtherNerd: but thanks for your explanation. next time I setup a server like shell.sf.net I'll remember that. :)
[05:18] <Setite> you better
[05:18] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: shell.sf.net isn't *a* server, it's *many* servers
[05:18] <Setite> ah! you had to get all technical didnt you
[05:19] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: yup ;>
[05:19] <Setite> :)
[05:19] <Setite> im bored....
[05:19] <Setite> one more week of this celeron PC
[05:19] <Cloudchaser> hmm it says i have to add a user and ID, and to use install-user "name" 12345 and to read the user manual if i am uncertain
[05:19] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: what else would you expect from a person with a nick of SomeOtherNerd?
[05:19] <cloudburst> im bored too
[05:19] <Cloudchaser> not quite sure what user manual ;)
[05:19] <Setite> true... what was i thinkign
[05:20] <cloudburst> man lfs takes foreve
[05:20] <cloudburst> r
[05:20] <SomeOtherNerd> Cloadchaser: check man adduser
[05:20] <cloudburst> i think ill abandon it
[05:20] <Setite> cloudburst
[05:20] <Setite> what is lfs
[05:20] <cloudburst> linux from scratch
[05:21] <Cloudchaser> i found it in man install-user :)
[05:21] <Cloudchaser>  install-user - reads or sets a Palm User and UserID on a Palm Device.
[05:21] <spikeb> LFS is a PITA
[05:21] <cloudburst> i think ill just reinstall some other distro, its taking too long
[05:21] <dr_willis> time to install the 'wtf' program :p
[05:21] <dr_willis> lol
[05:21] <spikeb> pain in the ass
[05:21] <Cloudchaser> now the issue is...what was the ID it had before
[05:21] <SomeOtherNerd> spikeb: ok, I'll agree with you there
[05:21] <Cloudchaser> i have some apps that use that for registration
[05:22] <Cloudchaser> and i've no idea what it was before
[05:22] <Cloudchaser> i guess i'll just give it a number and hope for the best
[05:22] <Setite> who here knows an easy way to customize the ubuntu installer
[05:22] <Setite> like add packages to it
[05:22] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: define easy
[05:23] <Setite> doable by me
[05:23] <joh_> Anything special to remember hen upgrading from warty to hoary?
[05:23] <Setite> probably easier than what your definition of easy it
[05:23] <ogra> joh_: that hoary can break badly probably ?
[05:23] <cole> ok so my install went well
[05:23] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: can you make .debs? can you write a compiler? can you rewrite the linux kernel in BF?
[05:23] <Setite> no no no
[05:23] <cole> except that my USB mouse doesn't work !!!!!
[05:23] <Setite> im not even in linux
[05:23] <cole> could anyone help me get it working?
[05:23] <joh_> ogra: I know :) But I am so bored that I have to install something :)
[05:24] <Setite> does ubuntu contain a text type file?
[05:24] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: I don't think there's an easy way to do it
[05:24] <Setite> or is there a folder i can through apps in and it will automatically install?
[05:24] <Setite> shit
[05:24] <Setite> throw*
[05:24] <ogra> joh_: just trying to save sou from to big dissapointment ;)
[05:24] <Lathiat2> Setite: it can be done, but its not trivial
[05:24] <fcomtois> how can i get gdisklet ?
[05:24] <Lathiat2> Setite: why do you want to do that?
[05:25] <Setite> well i have to be able to do it from windows
[05:25] <Setite> well not from windows i mean
[05:25] <Lathiat2> Setite: you have no hope there
[05:25] <ogra> fcomtois: install it with synaptic (its called gdesklets)
[05:25] <Lathiat2> have to use linux to customize the installer
[05:25] <Lathiat2> and even that its not trivial as i said
[05:25] <Setite> well i want to be able to have all the apps i like added in so i dont have to add them later
[05:25] <Lathiat2> Setite: also, there isnt alot of room on the cd
[05:25] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: just get a cd and use expert mode if you need customization
[05:25] <Setite> well i would be putting it on a DVD
[05:26] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: don't bother, the internet updates are better
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> woohooo! gave it a user name and ID :) syncing it now!!
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> it worked!!!
[05:26] <drspin> would someone please help me get my USB mouse working in a new ubuntu install?
[05:26] <ogra> Cloudchaser: happy christmas then ;)
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> ok so...thanks for everyone's help and for future reference
[05:26] <Setite> no i wanted it for like a backup deal... if i fubar my setup... i could reinstall and things like mp3, dvd, ntfs and all that would be enabled already
[05:26] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: what's the problem?
[05:27] <drspin> my mouse doesn't work
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> you have to hit synch button, then open the software and hit sync inside the software
[05:27] <drspin> it did in the live CD just fine...
[05:27] <drspin> I just installed and booted up and nothing...
[05:27] <drspin> reprobe the USB interface maybe?
[05:28] <drspin> <<<<< soz can't us google without a mouse
[05:28] <SomeOtherNerd> have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back in?
[05:28] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if you got a bored rainy afternoon once, you could make a wiki page out of it ;)
[05:28] <drspin> yes
[05:28] <Cloudchaser> i could do that :)
[05:28] <Cloudchaser> maybe tomorrow or monday as i'm off
[05:29] <ogra> :)
[05:29] <Cloudchaser> i think i'll post into the thread in the forum that i asked for help in
[05:29] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: when you plug it in, does dmesg | tail show anything related to it?
[05:29] <ogra> :(
[05:30] <drspin> it keeps desynchronizing and throwing 1 byte away
[05:30] <drspin> that's what dmesg|tail says
[05:31] <SomeOtherNerd> hmm :\
[05:31] <drspin> ok - I just unplugged and plugged it back in...
[05:31] <drspin> dmesg | tail
[05:31] <drspin> tells me that
[05:32] <drspin> USB1-2: new low speed USB device using address 4
[05:32] <drspin> but the mouse doesn't work
[05:32] <drspin> it's not even lit up ATM
[05:32] <briansanders4> hi
[05:33] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: is the mouse device in /etc/X11/XF86Config /dev/input/mice?
[05:33] <briansanders4> merry christmas, anyone good with cdrw questions here?
[05:33] <drspin> not sure what you mean exactly
[05:34] <SomeOtherNerd> open /etc/X11/XF86Config in a text editor and look for a section about the mouse, the mouse device should be /dev/input/mice
[05:35] <SomeOtherNerd> briansanders4: are you asking for problems?
[05:36] <marjorie> hi there, can some one point me in the right direction for docs on wireless?
[05:36] <briansanders4> lol, no answers, hopefully
[05:36] <marjorie> ?
[05:36] <briansanders4> i have a new sony cdrw that i'm trying to get working on my parents machine
[05:36] <briansanders4> i can read from it, but not burn to it
[05:36] <SomeOtherNerd> are you in group cdrom?
[05:37] <briansanders4> yeah
[05:37] <drspin> Some: I type "sudo nano -w /etc/X11/XF86Config" but it's not finding the file
[05:37] <SomeOtherNerd> briansanders4: what program are you using?
[05:37] <Cloudchaser> now i have only one more obstacle so far on ubuntu
[05:37] <Cloudchaser> ;)
[05:37] <briansanders4> i get this error message (among others): cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[05:37] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
[05:37] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[05:37] <etorix> XF86Config-4
[05:38] <drspin> etorix - Ty
[05:38] <carajean> anybody that has an ipod wanna take through installation step by step
[05:38] <SomeOtherNerd> etorix: I use too many distros, they all use different names
[05:38] <etorix> heh
[05:38] <etorix> i only like debian-based really
[05:39] <SomeOtherNerd> briansanders4: try sudo cdrecord -scanbus to find the right device
[05:39] <macewan> happy holiday to those that celebrate during this time of year
[05:39] <macewan> :)
[05:39] <drspin> SomeOther: ok it shows /dev/input/mice but the next line reads "protocol" as ImPS/2
[05:40] <SomeOtherNerd> macewan: Saturnalia Laeta Tibi
[05:40] <macewan> trans?
[05:40] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: that's probably right if it has a wheel
[05:40] <SomeOtherNerd> macewan: Happy Saturnalia To You
[05:40] <macewan> :)
[05:40] <etorix> ImPS/2 is good for usb wheel-mouse
[05:41] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: you could chane the proto to auto
[05:41] <drspin> SomeOther : I've also tried using two different mice and get the same behavior -- they work now but moving it yields some VERY strange behavior --
[05:41] <briansanders4> it's hitting the right device
[05:42] <briansanders4> i'll im you the whole message
[05:42] <drspin> SomeOther: it's like I'm clicking buttons everytime I move the mouse... which I'm not...
[05:42] <SomeOtherNerd> briansanders4: try cdrecord with dev=
[05:42] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: comment out the ZAxis* option(s)
[05:43] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: nvm that wouldn't work
[05:44] <SomeOtherNerd> briansanders4: dev= shouldn't be /dev/hdd
[05:44] <SomeOtherNerd> briansanders4: it should be ATAPI:x,x,x
[05:44] <BockBilbo> hello
[05:44] <SomeOtherNerd> hi
[05:45] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me if there are any .deb files for WIFI Radar???
[05:49] <marjorie> could someone help me getting my BCM94306 based belkin wireless card working?
[05:51] <marjorie> do i have to do all the ndis wrapper stuff on the latest release of ubuntu?
[05:52] <drspin> okay - I did a reboot and viola it works...
[05:53] <drspin> I remember last time I ran linux on this system I found that from a cold bootup I would have to let it completely boot then do a soft restart before my USB devices would work...
[05:53] <drspin> I was using a 2.4 kernel then though :/
[05:54] <RubenV> is the python musicbrainz module broken in python 2.4?
[05:56] <sid77> hi
[05:56] <balex> hi all
[05:56] <RubenV> http://cvs.musicbrainz.org/cvs/python-musicbrainz/examples/#dirlist
[05:56] <RubenV> can anyone run one of these?
[05:56] <RubenV> or are they horribly broken on hoary?
[05:57] <balex> do the site works?
[05:57] <carajean> can someone help me with rhythmbox
[05:58] <carajean> i tried apt get but got an error
[05:58] <carajean> apt-get install
[05:58] <balex> sorry I am a beginner in linux :S
[05:58] <SomeOtherNerd> carajean: what's the error?
[05:59] <ivan> Hola
[05:59] <carajean> srry to flood
[05:59] <carajean> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able)
[05:59] <carajean> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[05:59] <drspin> Now that my mouse is fixed -- I need to install the drivers for my Nvidia card -- what is the page on the wiki?
[05:59] <bob2> carajean: use #flood
[05:59] <bob2> dude
[05:59] <bob2> that means you need to run apt as root
[06:00] <bob2> or it crashed at some point in the past
[06:00] <bob2> or that you have two copies running
[06:00] <carajean> i thught i was in root
[06:00] <pmfp> I'm a militantly libertian (with a sucking spelling), yet have a question for all cute communists in here (j/k): Is Hoary comparable to testing or unstable in Debian?
[06:00] <bob2> unstable.
[06:00] <carajean> i never used rhythmbox before
[06:00] <etorix> have u synaptic open?
[06:01] <pmfp> bob2: alright, thanks
[06:01] <SomeOtherNerd> carajean: you shouldn't use root shells, only use sudo
[06:01] <pmfp> SomeOtherNerd: why?
[06:01] <SomeOtherNerd> pmfp: too easy to screw up
[06:01] <carajean> sudo apt-get install rhythmbox
[06:02] <pmfp> SomeOtherNerd: right
[06:02] <carajean> thats what i typed
[06:02] <bob2> carajean: what about the other two possibilities?
[06:02] <gwildor> use beep
[06:02] <carajean> to hard couldnt get it
[06:02] <bob2> eh?
[06:02] <carajean> i need a little help gettin my xmas gift to work
[06:03] <adi_> hello 2 all and Craciu fericit
[06:03] <carajean> um i dont which itunes to use they said itunedb then get gt somethin
[06:04] <carajean> but i dont know the exact order to get those in
[06:04] <adi_> anyone has a leaktek tuner :P that doesn't seem to have signal???
[06:04] <bob2> carajean: this is on mac os X?
[06:04] <reallySeq> does anybody know how to configure wpa?
[06:04] <carajean> kinda miss the easyiness of windows
[06:04] <carajean> no linux
[06:05] <bob2> carajean: er, so what are you saying about itunes?
[06:05] <adi_> this is the "free linux support chanell" wright ??? :)
[06:05] <bob2> this is a Ubuntu user channel
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[06:06] <adi_> k
[06:06] <adi_> BUT, anyone has a leaktek tuner :P that doesn't seem to have signal???
[06:06] <pmfp> SomeOtherNerd: not if you modprobe nvidia...
[06:06] <carajean> i dont know i went to a couple ipod to linux how to and they keep talkin about this itunedb and backing it up before i do soemthin else to get linux to work
[06:06] <bob2> I assume you mean 'leadtek'
[06:06] <Seq> adi_: if nobody answers, then nobody (who is at least here) does
[06:06] <BockBilbo> bob2
[06:06] <adi_> because I spent a hole night trying to solve it and I don't have any mnore ideeas
[06:06] <BockBilbo> i sorry for asking you in debian
[06:06] <BockBilbo> #debian
[06:06] <SomeOtherNerd> pmfp: that's sacrilege ;>
[06:07] <bob2> carajean: er, so your question is "How do I use my ipod with Ubuntu?|?
[06:07] <adi_> in slackware and knoppix is working fine just in ubuntu doesn't WORK!!!
[06:07] <pmfp> SomeOtherNerd: I am too.
[06:07] <carajean> right bob2
[06:07] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:07] <bob2> adi_: you need to give everyone a lot more information if you want help
[06:07] <adi_> like?
[06:07] <bob2> adi_: like, the chipset, what you've tried, in what sense it iisnt working, etc
[06:07] <carajean> a easy and painless way to get it to work
[06:08] <da_bon_bon> anyone here writes device drivers for linux ?
[06:08] <adi_> k
[06:08] <adi_> thx
[06:08] <adi_> so
[06:08] <bob2> da_bon_bon: this isn't really the channel for that sort of thing
[06:08] <bob2> adi_: please try to use complete sentences on single lines so everyone's irc clicent doesn't scroll so much ;)
[06:09] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no, i asked to know whether someone knows if it is easy or not...
[06:09] <SomeOtherNerd> bob2: I don't use scroll, I use CowBoyNealScroll
[06:09] <bob2> da_bon_bon: if you know C, it's not *that* hard
[06:09] <bob2> it's not trivial, tho
[06:10] <da_bon_bon> anyone here who has default browser as firefox, please gimme ur string in "computer -> desktop prefernces -> prefered apps" please...
[06:10] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i know c++ quite well.
[06:10] <SomeOtherNerd> bob2: it can also be done in C++, C#, perl, python, tcl, and many other languages
[06:10] <bob2> er, no, device drivers are in C and assembly
[06:11] <bob2> da_bon_bon: you'll need to learn C then ;)
[06:11] <pmfp> (+for Linux)
[06:11] <Seq> the c++ interfaces are new, and NOT in the mainline kernel, and very likely won't be
[06:11] <SomeOtherNerd> bob2: kernel modules are, but there are some modules that allow user land drivers
[06:11] <bob2> true, like libusb
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i know c too :)
[06:11] <bob2> there are C++ interfaces? that's crack.
[06:11] <carajean> so anyone know a easy way to get ipod to work with linux
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> bob2: is ur default browser firefox?
[06:11] <bob2> da_bon_bon: guess so
[06:12] <Seq> bob2: yeah, i read about it on (i think) kernel traffic a while back
[06:12] <bob2> carajean: hae you tried gnupod-tools or gtkpod?
[06:12] <bob2> oh yeah, that guy was crazy
[06:12] <carajean> yeah
[06:12] <da_bon_bon> bob2: can u gimme ur string in "computer -> desktop prefernces -> prefered apps" ? my default now is lynx type of a thing..
[06:12] <carajean> but can t get it installed
[06:13] <Seq> da_bon_bon: just put `firefox %s`, it's not hard to figure out :)
[06:13] <pmfp> da_bon_bon: you can change prefered applications in your desktop settings, available from your menu
[06:13] <bob2> carajean: because of that same error?
[06:13] <bob2> carajean: didn't you read my answer before?
[06:13] <da_bon_bon> Seq: someone told me to set 'mozilla-firefox' ...
[06:13] <Seq> da_bon_bon: so use that then
[06:14] <da_bon_bon> that doesnt work.
[06:14] <Seq> so try firefox
[06:14] <bob2> mozilla-firefox %s
[06:14] <bob2> just like in most config dialogs...
[06:14] <adi_> I have a Leaktek TV2000XP Deluxe card with Philips tuner on it - in Dscaler it work with all Philips tuners - and in Slackware10 with DroplineGnome using tvtime and xawtv work fine; the same on knoppix live CD after using the auto configuring prog. The problem is that yesterday  I installed UBUNTU and I was happy to see my tuner modules listed with dmesg and lsmod. After that I installed tvtime and xawtv+stuff(qt plugins...) using synaptic manager - they installed
[06:14] <adi_>  with no errors. After that no signal in tvtime and in xawtv. Using scantv with PAL/EU estern I got the [no /dev/vbi]  so I made a symlink with that name pointing to /dev/vbi0 but the scantv doesen't seem to get any signal
[06:14] <da_bon_bon> bob2: if u click on a link in GAIM, does it open in firefox ?
[06:14] <bob2> I don't use gaim
[06:15] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok, if u click open on a link in xchat, does it open in firefox ?
[06:15] <bob2> I don't use xchat either
[06:15] <adi_> I think the problem is that it doesen't use the corect card??/tuner?? but I don't know how to change that
[06:15] <bob2> why don't you just try that setting?
[06:15] <da_bon_bon> doesnt work...
[06:16] <bob2> the one I just pasted doesn't work?
[06:16] <da_bon_bon> yes
[06:16] <da_bon_bon> doesnt work
[06:16] <bob2> are you really rewally sure you copied it correctly?
[06:16] <da_bon_bon> sure
[06:17] <bob2> well, it works for me
[06:17] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i use firefox 1.0 does it change things ?
[06:18] <adi_> if anyone can HELP me it can contact me at adi2200bv on yahoo messenger, also......
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> bob2: its urgent coz i wanna use webhttrack, and by default it starts in lynx, which is not javascript enabled :(:(
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> bob2: u sue FF 1.0 ?
[06:20] <bob2> yes
[06:20] <bob2> no, it's not 'urgent'.
[06:20] <bob2> adi_: try asking on the mailing list
[06:20] <adi_> how?
[06:20] <bob2> you haven't used a mailing list before?
[06:21] <adi_> sorry, but I am a bigginer with linux and I usually don't use IRC :)
[06:21] <zenkov> java.net.NoRouteToHostException: No route to host... Azureus TERMINATED :-(
[06:21] <bob2> adi_: is that a 'yes'?
[06:21] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok
[06:22] <SomeOtherNerd> adi_: subscibe on lists.ubuntu.com
[06:22] <bob2> da_bon_bon: try asking on the user list
[06:22] <gwildor> how to unmount my cd-rom from terminal....unmoiunt the disk
[06:22] <bob2> use 'mount' to find out where it' mounted
[06:23] <sid77> gwildor, umount /dev/cdromdevice
[06:23] <bob2> then 'umount /media/whatever' to unmount it
[06:23] <gwildor> /dev/hda on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660
[06:23] <drspin> LOL
[06:23] <sid77> gwildor, whatever :) if you want to umount a cdrom also try a plain "eject"
[06:23] <gwildor> k..i get i t....thnx
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok.
[06:23] <gwildor> sid77, really....thnx
[06:23] <drspin> first of all - I need to add MP3 and AAC support to this!!!!!!!!!!
[06:24] <adi_> ok thx
[06:24] <bob2> drspin: 'want'. wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:24] <gwildor> sid77, great, i wish i knew that before.......thank you ever so much....merry christmas (if applicable)
[06:24] <drspin> bob2: thanks!!! :)
[06:25] <sid77> gwildor, yeah it is applicable, read "man eject" for more wonderful stuff (like the -t option)
[06:25] <sid77> gwildor, and merry xmas to you too ;)
[06:26] <adi_> I will subscribe, but now I found some stuff that I saved last night I think I have a solve to the problem, but I was to sleppy :) I will try to make a file /etc/modprobe.d/bttv with the line "options bttv card=34 tuner=2" hope it will work
[06:26] <gwildor> sid77, and an easy way to mount a new cd?
[06:27] <sid77> gwildor, mount
[06:27] <sid77> gwildor, mount command read /etc/fstab
[06:28] <bob2> gnome will offer to mount stuff when you plug them in, tho
[06:28] <sid77> gwildor, so you can mounting a cd just pasing "mount /media/cdrom" or "mount /dev/cddevice"
[06:28] <gwildor> sid77, mount /cdrom worked
[06:28] <sid77> gwildor, bob2 is right. there is also the automounter enabled
[06:29] <sid77> gwildor, this is ok for every other line in /etc/fstab: just "mount dir" or "mount device" to have it mounted
[06:29] <gwildor> bob2, sid77, i use xfce normaly, but im getting used to flux atm, i will be using it on a lappy i am getting soon
[06:29] <xiximkopp> does anybody know the difference between linux-source-2.6.9 and kernel-source-2.6.9???
[06:30] <bob2> one is from debian, one is from ubuntu
[06:30] <bob2> ignore the kernel-source one
[06:31] <xiximkopp> bob2, but synaptic says they are both with debian patches
[06:31] <drspin> I can't find gstreamer-lame packages
[06:32] <etorix> heh .. listen to bob2
[06:32] <bob2> yes, ignore the kernel-source one
[06:32] <xiximkopp> bob2, ok
[06:33] <bob2> the ubuntu-source contains a bazillion patches and extra modules
[06:34] <xiximkopp> bob2, does it have vesafb-tng?
[06:34] <KobrAs_> merry christmas
[06:37] <drspin> OK - how can I allow me access to my NTFS partition - I've got it mounted and can access it with ROOT but no me...
[06:38] <sid77> mmmmh, is there a way to correct the rgb under xfreee.conf? my monitor is pretty old and too dark 8|
[06:39] <da_bon_bon> bob2: the mailing list is the one on ubuntuforums.org ?
[06:40] <bob2> da_bon_bon: lord no, lists.ubuntu.com
[06:40] <bob2> sid77: you mean the gamma?
[06:40] <bob2> drspin: mount it with the option umask=002
[06:40] <drspin> bob2 - thanks!! it works -- why?
[06:42] <sid77> bob2, yes
[06:43] <sid77> bob2, I've notice that some windows program run also better modifying rgb value (I do XFree conf but I'm a complete newbie in this kind of stuff)
[06:44] <da_bon_bon> anyone know of good offline browsers, except httrack ?
[06:45] <bob2> sid77: you can use 'xgamma', but there's also a confi option, man XF86Config-4
[06:46] <sid77> bob2, ok I'll read it
[06:48] <sid77> ouch!
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> bob2: dpkg -l firefox doesnt show any packeages matching firefox...
[06:48] <sid77> sid77@scatolotto:~ $ xgamma -rgamma 10.0 -ggamma 10.0 -bgamma 10.0 <-- kids! do not try this at home!
[06:49] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes, it's called mozilla-firefox
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> sid77: can u help me? i cant get my default browser to be firefox...
[06:49] <bob2> what was the subject of your email to the list?
[06:49] <drspin> heh - Importing 6000 songs takes a while :/
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> bob2: can u please see the output on #flood? looks strange...
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> bob2: please see #flood
[06:50] <bob2> ?
[06:51] <bob2> oh, wait
[06:51] <bob2> let me guess
[06:51] <bob2> you installed firefox fro ma tarball
[06:51] <bob2> to somewhere in your home dir
[06:51] <sid77> da_bon_bon, I can't. I can just say that looks something about your website copier configuration. read the manual carefully
[06:51] <bob2> and then removed the package
[06:51] <bob2> right?
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no i removed package first, and then installed from tarball according instruction on wiki
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> no i installed to /usr/local/firefox
[06:52] <bob2> well, that would explain it
[06:52] <bob2> it would be good in future if you mentioned things like this
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> ok. whats the problem ?
[06:53] <bob2> er, that you don't have firefox avaiable?
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> bob2: then how am i surfing the web through it ?
[06:53] <bob2> change the setting in the prefered application thing to /usr/local/firefox/whatever %s
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> bob2: tried that also....
[06:54] <bob2> because you're running it with the correct path
[06:54] <bob2> no you didn't
[06:54] <bob2> because that would have worked
[06:54] <bob2> try again
[06:54] <bob2> if it doesn't, find the correct section of ~/.xsession-errors that showes the problem
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> bob2: do i need to restart gnome after making the change ?
[06:55] <bob2> no
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> how do i view the file ~/.xsession-errors ?
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> cat ?
[06:55] <bob2> but make really really really sure you set the path correctly
[06:56] <bob2> whatever you normally use to view text files (cat is ok)
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> its set to : "/usr/local/firefox/firefox %s" and this is a straight drag and drop
[06:57] <jazzka> hi!
[06:58] <bob2> and when you run '/usr/local/firefox/firefox' fro ma shelll, it pops up a nrowser window?
[06:58] <jazzka> do you any web/guide to burn a mpg file into a cd in svcd format?
[06:58] <phraze> Hey,i have a little problem installing some webcam software
[06:59] <phraze> ive configured it whit ./configure but when i try 'make install' it just says:
[06:59] <phraze> Nothing to do with install
[06:59] <phraze> ive read the readme n some websites
[06:59] <KobrAs_> yo
[07:00] <thoreauputic> does the Ubuntu ppc installer have a utility that lets you resize a MacOSX partition to make room for Linux?
[07:00] <phraze> they all says the same
[07:00] <KobrAs_> need a little help with fonts on warty
[07:00] <sid77> phraze, maybe you should do "make" before "make install"
[07:00] <KobrAs_> my X fonts seem very strange, dunno exactly how to describe them
[07:00] <phraze> i did
[07:00] <phraze> sid77
[07:00] <sid77> thoreauputic, no
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> yes
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> bob2: please see #flood
[07:01] <thoreauputic> sid77: so does MAc have such a utility? (I'm considering an Ibook purchase)
[07:01] <etorix> i dont think HFS+ it ..
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> bob2: got disconencted. did u get my output ?
[07:02] <sid77> thoreauputic, no. I only know of iPartion which is able to do such a thing. but it is commercial software and I do not have it
[07:02] <etorix> make a two partitions before either install
[07:02] <sid77> thoreauputic, if you are going to buy an ibook simply resize and reinstall it at first boot
[07:02] <sid77> thoreauputic, it is a really trivial operation
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> bob2: are you here ?
[07:03] <thoreauputic> sid77: right, I see.  Off topic, but does a preinstalled Ibook come with the X11 for MAc on CD?
[07:04] <etorix> not afaik
[07:04] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: why are you using a moz-firefox installation in /usr/local?
[07:04] <sid77> thoreauputic, yes (but let's keep this kind of stuff off topic ;)
[07:04] <etorix> use fink
[07:04] <thoreauputic> hmm - OK thanks - just exploring options (Fink etc)
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i followed the guidtoupgradingtofirefox1.0
[07:05] <thoreauputic> sid77: yes, I know it's OT - sorry :)
[07:06] <sid77> thoreauputic, etorix, join #fink for fink stuff (it's cool! ;)
[07:06] <etorix> sorry .. no osx me
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> whats fink ?
[07:06] <TTilus> sawfish start takes about 2 minutes, any suggestions?
[07:06] <etorix> join #fink
[07:06] <etorix> its not-ubuntu
[07:07] <labas> qq
[07:07] <labas> enyubody?
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpgradingToFirefox10/view?searchterm=firefox
[07:07] <labas> hi
[07:07] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: I know
[07:07] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: did you follow the instructions precisely?
[07:07] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: it doesn't seem you did.
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: yes. to the dot.
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: where did i bungle ?
[07:08] <labas> I have problem
[07:08] <vegai> TTilus: is localhost resolvable?
[07:08] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: delete /usr/local/firefox and reinstall
[07:08] <labas> yes
[07:08] <labas> aa..
[07:09] <labas> I got error on gnome startup
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i delete it? i dont uninstall or apt-get remove it ?
[07:09] <labas> Counld not look up internet address for debian (hosname'as). This......,,,...... the problem by adding debian to the file /etc/hosts.
[07:09] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you can't uninstall/remove it because you bypassed dpkg's packaging tools
[07:10] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you must `sudo rm -rf /usr/local/firefox'
[07:10] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: additionally, you must `rm -rf ~/.firefox'
[07:10] <drspin> is there a way to add AAC files to RhythmBox???
[07:10] <bob2> da_bon_bon: er, I thought you said firefox was working?
[07:10] <da_bon_bon> bob2: it is.
[07:11] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: any special instructions to follow during install ?
[07:11] <crimsun> ...if it's working, then what's wrong precisely?
[07:11] <bob2> 04:01:11     da_bon_bon |  /usr/local/firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:11] <labas> Counld not look up internet address for debian (hosname'as). This......,,,...... the problem by adding debian to the file /etc/hosts.
[07:11] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: and i cant set it to be the default browser too...
[07:12] <crimsun> shouldn't da_bon_bon be running ./firefox instead?
[07:12] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i am using ./firefox but i cant set it to be the defualt browser, how much ever i try..
[07:12] <TTilus> vegai: the first thing i thought, and, yes, it is
[07:13] <labas> on gnome startup Counld not look up internet address for debian (hosname'as). This......,,,...... the problem by adding debian to the file /etc/hosts.
[07:13] <drspin> AAC on ubutnu???
[07:13] <drspin> Ubuntu*
[07:13] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: I'm sorry, but I only see (in #flood) your executing ./firefox-bin
[07:13] <bob2> da_bon_bon: what was the last bit you pasted then?
[07:13] <bob2> drspin: did you read that page?
[07:14] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i paste again ?
[07:14] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no need to paste again if it's similar enough
[07:14] <shianux> hi, I'd like to ask a question, is anyone available?
[07:15] <bob2> shianux: just ask...
[07:15] <shianux> I installed warty off the i386 CD
[07:15] <bob2> da_bon_bon: come on dude
[07:15] <shianux> and then update upgraded to hoary
[07:16] <shianux> during which I installed the nvidia drivers (dell inspiron 8000)
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: not similar. see #flood
[07:16] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you're just repasting what you already pasted.
[07:16] <shianux> what happened was I started off with 1400x1050 with a clean warty install
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> i thot u hadnt seen it...
[07:17] <bob2> da_bon_bon: according to that log, firefox isn't running at all
[07:17] <drspin> bob2: yes but I didn't see anything about AAC...
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> this is .xsession error.
[07:17] <shianux> and now with hoary + nvidia drivers I'm limited only to 640x480
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> bob2: its giving a error message in startup itself...
[07:17] <shianux> so does anyone have any idea how to restore 1400x1050 in my hoary+nvidia setup?
[07:17] <ogra> shianux: thats hoary
[07:18] <labas> on gnome startup:: Counld not look up internet address for debian (hosname'as). This......,,,...... the problem by adding debian to the file /etc/hosts.
[07:18] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: if you're not familiar with how moz-firefox is packaged, it's highly recommended you stick with the default package
[07:18] <bob2> shianux: it's a known bug
[07:18] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes, I know
[07:18] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: there are steps that you probably need to run after the installer finishes
[07:18] <bob2> da_bon_bon: I'd really recommend sticking with the package
[07:18] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i followed the guide and isntalled .tar.gz ....
[07:19] <ogra> da_bon_bon: which guide ? could you show the url ?
[07:19] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: please, both bob2 and I are suggesting you stick w/ the Warty package
[07:19] <crimsun> ogra: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpgradingToFirefox10
[07:19] <shianux> bob2, so that means there's no way for me to get back to 1400x1050?
[07:19] <da_bon_bon> ogra: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpgradingToFirefox10/view?searchterm=firefox
[07:19] <shianux> or will uninstalling the nvidia drivers help?
[07:19] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: oh ok. how do i revert back, now ?
[07:19] <bob2> shianux: there is, but I don't know the fix
[07:20] <bob2> shianux: it's in the BTS
[07:20] <bob2> da_bon_bon: just install the mozilla-firefox package
[07:20] <shianux> bob2 sorry, I don't know what BTS means
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> bob2: will it install properly from cd?
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> bob2: is there no way to remedy it, since i want certain features not present in 0.9
[07:21] <bob2> da_bon_bon: for example?
[07:21] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: first completely remove /usr/local/firefox, then install Warty's 'mozilla-firefox' package
[07:21] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes, it will install fine
[07:21] <bob2> shianux: bugzilla.ubuntu.com, it's probably been discussed on the list, too
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> no way to remedy it :( :( ?
[07:21] <bob2> da_bon_bon: what feature is so important to you?
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> bob2: find as u type.
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> bob2: its only for links in 0.9
[07:22] <bob2> da_bon_bon: firefox 0.9.3 has that, too
[07:22] <bob2> no it's not
[07:23] <bob2> hit / in the body of a document
[07:23] <ogra> da_bon_bon: thats a setting
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> bob2: and i dont want my 8mb download to go waste ...
[07:23] <shianux> bob2 thanks!
[07:25] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: 'mozilla-firefox' should be on the CD
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> ok. so i take it that theres no way out ?
[07:25] <bob2> there is
[07:25] <bob2> but I'm not sure what you've done, and using 0.9.3 is tons easier for everyone
[07:25] <etorix> shianuz .. it worked?
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> bob2: can u tell me the way out? reinstalling? changing some settings?
[07:27] <carajean> how to add a line to /etc/fstab file
[07:27] <carajean> ???
[07:27] <xiximkopp> shianux, try to add your mode to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:27] <shianux> no, I've not done it yet
[07:27] <shianux> I'm looking thru the bugzilla pages for clues
[07:27] <bob2> carajean: no need to use more than one question mark
[07:27] <drspin> carajean: "sudo nano -w /etc/fstab"
[07:28] <shianux> xixmkopp>> my mode is already in the xorg.conf
[07:28] <etorix> its a symlink issue
[07:28] <carajean> thanks its a habit i been doin it for years
[07:28] <bob2> yeah, it's one worth breaking, tho
[07:28] <bob2> da_bon_bon: ? the instructions have worked for me in the past.
[07:28] <carajean> ha yeah i will try
[07:28] <xiximkopp> shianux, ah ok... do you use the then try to use the nv driver instead of nvidia...
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> bob2: u installed in /usr/local ? or ! ?
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> bob2: u installed in /usr/local ? or ~ ?
[07:29] <bob2> it doesn't matter
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i even reinstalled it...
[07:30] <bob2> how would that help?
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> bob2: then what will help!? please tell me...
[07:31] <bob2> remember what I said about begging?
[07:31] <bob2> if I knew the answer, I'd have told you an hour ago
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok.
[07:32] <bob2> it seems very much like you skipped a step in the instructions, tho
[07:32] <bob2> perhaps forgetting to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or MOZILLA_STAR_HOME (or whatever it's called nowadays)
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> bob2: well, i think i havent, but if u and crimsun think so, ok.
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> bob2: hey, i havent set thos paths...
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> bob2: how do i set them ?
[07:33] <bob2> I don't know if you have to or not
[07:33] <da_bon_bon> ok
[07:33] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: to install firefox from the mozilla.org installer, none of that is necessary
[07:34] <bob2> thoreauputic: do you need to set any environment variables?
[07:34] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  yep just use the installer
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: not using the .tar.gz ?
[07:34] <zenrox> bob2,  no
[07:34] <bob2> thoreauputic: his errors looked very much like it couldn't find libraries
[07:35] <thoreauputic> bob2: hmm - mine just installed, no fuss except I made a symlink to the executable in my PATH
[07:35] <thoreauputic> but even that isn't really required
[07:35] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  if you use the installer install it on top of mozilla firefox thats allready installed
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: u mean using the "sudo sh firefox-installer" i have used that...
[07:35] <zenrox> it will ask to del the dir
[07:35] <zenrox> and do so
[07:35] <crimsun> I think the problem is that he attempts to use ./firefox-bin directly
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: no. i use ./firefox, but that was jsut i was trying out .firefox-bin
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: so, i will delete /usr/local/firefox and install firfox from cd, and again use inmstaller, right ?
[07:37] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: absolutely not
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: then ?
[07:37] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: either install mozilla-firefox from CD and stick with it, or use the mozilla.org installer and stick with it. In either case, you need to remove /usr/local/firefox first
[07:37] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  yes
[07:38] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: do _not_ mix and match Ubuntu's mozilla-firefox with mozilla.org's mozilla-firefox
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i already tried removing the dir and installing again...
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok.
[07:38] <zenrox> and you dont have to great any now links and you can use the curent firefox icon on your menu bar
[07:38] <lavache> slt
[07:39] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: do you realize you're taking the (pardon me) ass way around?
[07:39] <ogra> da_bon_bon: dont mix
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ass way ?
[07:39] <lavache> slt
[07:39] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: follow the directions here: http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> ogra: ok.
[07:39] <Cloudchaser> well darn...i can't seem to get files installed on palm with jpilot...i got it to sync once but when i try to install files it just keeps taking me to the window where you add the files you want to install
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: what are backports ?
[07:40] <stuNNed> ssh seems the fuxored in unstable
[07:40] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: keep in mind that Canonical neither endorses nor supports said backports.
[07:40] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  i agree with crimsun  dont install on top but it has worked for me win i was usingwerty
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> ok. but what are backports??
[07:40] <crimsun> stuNNed: it's fine.
[07:40] <Cloudchaser> this is just annoying now ;(
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: are you from canonical ?
[07:40] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no.
[07:41] <carajean> hey im havin trouble setting up gtkipod anybody care ti help
[07:41] <Cloudchaser> its stuff like this that makes me hate linux :(
[07:41] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: a "backport" is a newer version of a package compiled for an older flavour of a distribution.
[07:41] <carajean> its installed but it cant see the the ipod
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok. so i install the version on cd, and then use bp to update ?
[07:42] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: if you use ubuntu-bp, installing from CD is not necessary
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok.
[07:42] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: but keep in mind people in here will be less likely/able to help you with problems from ubuntu-bp
[07:42] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: why are you obsessed with having the latest? Even firefox ).8 had the functionality you want..
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: umm.... say i have a version-mania ?? ;)
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> i'd rather install from cd and stick to it...
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> how do i install form cd ?
[07:44] <occy> what do I need to apt-get install to get a fairly half-way decent dev setup going?
[07:44] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: well, that's fine, but you need to know what you are doing to indulge in non-standard practices :)
[07:44] <crimsun> then install from the CD and stick with it, and please don't complain about not having the latest & greatest features from mozilla-firefox, ok?
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> ok
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> how do i install form cd ?
[07:44] <ogra> da_bon_bon: if you got net access on this box sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox is enough
[07:44] <crimsun> occy: depends on what you need to develop
[07:44] <occy> crimsun: need to compile latest qemu :)
[07:45] <crimsun> occy: I presume you have the 'universe' repo enabled?
[07:45] <occy> I apt-get installed gcc   but I feel I'll need a wee bit more than that.
[07:45] <bob2> occy: install build-essential
[07:45] <occy> crimsun: yessir, universe and multiverse
[07:45] <crimsun> occy: `sudo apt-get build-dep qemu'
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> ogra: i have limited download plan. and i am exceeding limit. how do i install from cd ?
[07:46] <occy> crimsun: that'll build from cvs?
[07:46] <crimsun> occy: no, that installs all the necessary packages for you to compile 'qemu'
[07:46] <occy> ahhh
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> also, whenever i clik on a .deb in nautilus, it shows unable to luanch. why ?
[07:46] <crimsun> occy: it's up to you to retrieve qemu's source
[07:46] <occy> crimsun: sweet
[07:47] <occy> crimsun: that is very nice
[07:47] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: sounds like you need to do some reading on the ubuntu site, my friend
[07:47] <occy> man, Debi^WUbuntu rox
[07:48] <ubuntu_user> hello
[07:48] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon:  also the guide in the /topic for this channel is excellent: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:48] <ubuntu_user> why i can't enable DMA on my CD-RW drive???
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: about? installing from cd, or about the deb packages ?
[07:48] <ogra> thoreauputic: not really
[07:49] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: well, just go to the link I gave you and *read*
[07:49] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: have you tried with the hdparm utility?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> ogra: why, what criticism do you have of it?
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: well, iu just removed firefox, so i cant read. mind telling me directly ?
[07:49] <ogra> thoreauputic: its not very newbie friendly....
[07:50] <ogra> thoreauputic: too much editing of critical system files.....
[07:50] <ubuntu_user> crimsun,  sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[07:50] <ubuntu_user> Password:
[07:50] <ubuntu_user> /dev/hdc:
[07:50] <ubuntu_user>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[07:50] <ubuntu_user>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[07:50] <ubuntu_user>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[07:50] <thoreauputic> ogra: hmm.. OK... but it covers alot of useful stuff
[07:50] <bob2> ubuntu_user: please don't paste stuff in here
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: well, i just removed firefox, so i cant read. mind telling me directly ?
[07:51] <bob2> occy: build-dep gets things that packages need, on top of build-essential
[07:51] <Cloudchaser> some days i just hate linux with a passion
[07:51] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: the kernel is saying that your hardware refuses to set it
[07:51] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: that was silly :)
[07:51] <bob2> ubuntu_user: your ide driver doesn't support dma
[07:51] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: are you the one with 11Mb free space?
[07:51] <ubuntu_user> bob2, ok sorry
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat: no. iam the one with firefox problems :D
[07:51] <occy> bob2: ahh, that is quite cool
[07:52] <ubuntu_user> bob2, yes it suports, only on ubuntu i have this problem
[07:52] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, but why the kernel reject dma?
[07:52] <bob2> ubuntu_user: er, so you know the kernel is using the ide driver that supports it?
[07:52] <ogra> thoreauputic: mybe, but people that never edited a system file should not be the audience for it.... yesterday i had a 4hr support to get the f*cked xsever up again after the guy tried a nvidia install....which can be done with 2 commands from the wiki
[07:52] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: open 'Synaptic Package Manager' (its under system settings in the menus up top)
[07:53] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: depends on your hardware and the kernel
[07:53] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: then search for firefox, then click its little icon, hit mark for installation, then press apply
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat: i got it from cd using apt-get ...
[07:53] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: just do it :)
[07:53] <thoreauputic> ogra: yes , I see your point
[07:54] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: then you can read the SynapticHowto on the website, to get a better idea of hwo to use it to install software
[07:54] <Cloudchaser> does anyone here use jpilot?
[07:54] <ogra> thoreauputic: and the (official and reviewed) wiki isnt even mentioned...
[07:55] <crimsun> that should be remedied
[07:55] <occy> ubuntu_user:  #flood please.
[07:55] <occy> oops
[07:55] <occy> Sorry, I was scrolled up :)
[07:56] <zenwhen> ogra, I have found the ubuntuguide to be more instantly usable than the wiki.
[07:56] <ogra> zenwhen: you are experienced.....
[07:56] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, root=/dev/sda1 hdc=ide-scsi ro quiet splash
[07:56] <zenwhen> Most of anything ubuntu spcific that I wanted to know I found there.
[07:56] <Cloudchaser> well ogra i won't be adding to the wiki after all ;( i've hit another wall
[07:56] <ogra> zenwhen: give it to your mom
[07:56] <zenwhen> Thats incest
[07:57] <zenwhen> You mean the guide
[07:57] <ogra> Cloudchaser: saw it :(
[07:57] <zenwhen> oops
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> ok got it installed the earlier version.
[07:58] <ogra> zenwhen: could your mom cope with it (ubuntuguide) ?
[07:58] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: why is it using hdc=ide-scsi?
[07:58] <zenwhen> ogra, My mom couldnt cope with the wiki either.
[07:58] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: what sort of cd-rom/cd-r/cd-rw is it?
[07:58] <Friczy> hi
[07:58] <zenwhen> Wikis are much harder to navigate than a list of things to do.
[07:58] <zenwhen> In fact I absolutely HATE wikis.
[07:58] <Friczy> is there a description about installing to RAID1?
[07:59] <zenwhen> They split up information too much.
[07:59] <crimsun> wikis are very nice if there is a strictly adhered-to structure
[07:59] <zenwhen> Give me a list of things that are on the site and I will search myself.
[07:59] <ogra> zenwhen: see the 4 points regarding nvidia in the guide (edit config files for optimization etc) , then compare it to the binary driver howto (2 apt commands....)
[07:59] <crimsun> these are points that should be addressed to the doc team
[08:00] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, i add this line because a problem with cdrecord, i delete it, but not restart the pc even
[08:00] <zenwhen> ogra, why not give people all of the RIGHT info? I dont see why things should be dumbed down and good things left out just to make new people happier.
[08:00] <ogra> zenwhen: there is too much extra stuff in that isnt needed and could be on a advanced users guide
[08:01] <zenwhen> Well then consider ubuntuguide a more advanced guide I guess. i really don;t want to see it dumbed down. I hate seeing good resources wasted.
[08:01] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: what problem w/ cdrecord?
[08:01] <zenwhen>  dont think every damn page needs to cater to newbs.
[08:01] <ogra> zenwhen: i dont say dumb it down, i say leave the easy to use stuff where ppl get easy to use tools for newbs and the rest for advanced ppl
[08:02] <zenwhen> I found it useful when switching from Slackware.
[08:02] <ogra> zenwhen: so then it shouldnt be called a "starte guide"
[08:02] <ogra> +r
[08:02] <zenwhen> If it was newbed down it wouldnt have been worth anything to me.
[08:02] <crimsun> well-structured and informative != "dumbed down", zenwhen
[08:02] <zenwhen> Starting doenst mean swithcing from windows necesarily.
[08:03] <zenwhen> It said ubuntu started guide not LINUX started guide.
[08:03] <crimsun> starting implies elementary.
[08:03] <zenwhen> starter*
[08:03] <crimsun> be careful with connotations.
[08:03] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, the cdrecord not recognize the cdrw drive, because it only autodetect scsi drives, i only resolve the problem making a simboling link ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/sga
[08:03] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: incorrect procedure
[08:03] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: all you had to do was: sudo cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc foo
[08:03] <ogra> zenwhen: it has all info....but causes lots of extra support the way it is now......
[08:04] <zenwhen> Im not playing the dictionary game. I'm just saying that ubuntuguide.org is a really good place for the intermediate linux user or smart beginner to get info.
[08:04] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, yes, but cdrecord save this paramter, for use with nautilus-cdburner for example??
[08:04] <bob2> cdrecord doesn't save any state
[08:04] <crimsun> zenwhen: and I'm not contesting that at all. I'm saying you should work to combine those resources with the official wiki's
[08:05] <ogra> zenwhen: and as i support here, it steals my time away from other users that need help
[08:05] <ogra> thats sad
[08:05] <zenwhen> I just dont see what the issue with the guy providing a resource is.
[08:05] <crimsun> zenwhen: the lack of integration is a stickler.
[08:05] <zenwhen> Maybe he doesnt wat to do it the official way.
[08:06] <zenwhen> I mean theres no law against helping people the way you want.
[08:06] <crimsun> it's in our channel's topic
[08:06] <zenwhen> I find his guide to be more useful than the wiki. I'm pretty much done with the topic.
[08:06] <Cloudchaser> what do you folks do when you're stuck on an issue?
[08:06] <Friczy> ubuntu_user: sudo cdrecord -dev=ATAPI: -scanbus tells the correct device name for your writer
[08:07] <bob2> Cloudchaser: ask on the mailing list
[08:07] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: all you need is the command I gave
[08:07] <bob2> no, don't do scanbus at all
[08:07] <bob2> you *know* what device you want to use
[08:07] <Friczy> ubuntu_user: then you can edit your /etc/default/cdrecord file properly
[08:07] <bob2> just use it
[08:07] <ogra> yep
[08:08] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: reboot with that kernel parameter removed
[08:08] <ubuntu_user> Friczy, yes and what i add to this file?
[08:08] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: then set dma active using hdparm
[08:09] <Friczy> ubuntu_user: for example in my file is: ide=    ATAPI:0,1,0     -1      -1      burnfree
[08:09] <Friczy> and CDR_DEVICE=ide
[08:09] <drspin> What CD burning program should I use?
[08:09] <Friczy> in this case the default drive is my IDE writer
[08:10] <zenwhen> did anyone ever get xsnow to compile on ubuntu?
[08:10] <ogra> zenwhen: apt-get source -b xsnow ?
[08:10] <zenwhen> I had to alien a redhat rpm
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> can i install mozilla itself, instead of / in addition to firefox ?
[08:10] <zenwhen> ogra,
[08:10] <zenwhen> its an old worthless version
[08:10] <ubuntu_user> drspin, nautilus-cd-burner, gnomebaker...
[08:10] <zenwhen> doesnt work with gnome
[08:11] <maximaus> da_bon_bon,  I've got both installed--no problem.
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> zenwhen: "its an old worthless version" ; "doesnt work with gnome" me ??
[08:11] <zenwhen> Gnomebaker is one app I would like to try
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> maximaus: how? u select "mozilla" in synaptic? is it on the CDROM?
[08:11] <zenwhen> da_bon_bon, I was speaking of the xsnow deb
[08:11] <ogra> zenwhen: there was a thread on the ML last week of a daddy who wanted a newer vers. for his daughter for christmas...i think there was mentioned a pkg
[08:12] <crimsun> zenwhen: 1.41 is worthless?
[08:12] <ubuntu_user> zenwhen, aparently is cool, but i can't use because cdrecord problem
[08:12] <zenwhen> yeah
[08:12] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, i reboot may pc now, to test it
[08:12] <zenwhen> 1.42 was needed to display over the gnome background
[08:12] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, i will be back
[08:12] <zenwhen> At least in my case
[08:13] <iceman> is ubuntu stable, unstable or testing?
[08:13] <cenerentola> is there any way for me to force the installer to swap on disk?
[08:13] <Friczy> is there a description about installing to RAID1?
[08:13] <zenwhen> its not deian
[08:13] <ogra> iceman: ubuntu is stabe
[08:13] <zenwhen> debian*
[08:13] <Agrajag> warty is stable
[08:13] <Friczy> iceman: warty is stable
[08:13] <zenwhen> Its debian based.
[08:13] <zenwhen> hi harry
[08:13] <zenwhen> :)
[08:13] <Agrajag> stfu
[08:14] <iceman> werid that it has 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main' in sources.list
[08:14] <iceman> if it's stable
[08:14] <Agrajag> iceman: it doesn't.
[08:14] <Agrajag> You added that.
[08:14] <zenwhen> weird that you put it there
[08:14] <ogra> iceman: marillat doesnt work anymore
[08:14] <crimsun> zenwhen: then apt-build build-dep xsnow && apt-get source xsnow && cd xsnow-1.41 && uupdate /path/to/xsnow-1.42.tar.gz && cd ../xsnow-1.42 && debuild binary
[08:14] <iceman> ok :)
[08:14] <zenwhen> beaten
[08:14] <zenwhen> crimsun, It woudlnt build period
[08:14] <zenwhen> 1.42
[08:15] <zenwhen> Which is why I said I had to go get an RPM
[08:15] <zenwhen> Because I didnt switch to a deb based distro to compile from source all day
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: using 0.9.3 now :D
[08:16] <crimsun> zenwhen: did you bother to read the changelog?
[08:17] <crimsun> xsnow (1:1.41-2) unstable; urgency=high * Re-upload of 1.41 due to GPL violation in 1.42. The code to find the correct root window in 1.42 is taken from xpenguin and licenced under the GPL. Sorry KDE and GNOME users. Hopefully this is temporary. (closes: #250689)
[08:17] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, i desactivate ide-scsi, but i can't change dma... the same problem..
[08:17] <zenwhen> crimsun, thats all well and good, but I wanted snow on my background
[08:17] <zenwhen> I dont whine to devs for packages
[08:18] <zenwhen> :)
[08:18] <crimsun> zenwhen: there is no way that's going into main
[08:18] <zenwhen> or support since I am running so many unsupported packages
[08:18] <zenwhen> Im not asking for it
[08:18] <zenwhen> as I said
[08:18] <crimsun> you're stuck on your own for that package.
[08:18] <zenwhen> wth
[08:18] <crimsun> I can attempt to build a deb, but I cannot distribute it
[08:18] <zenwhen> I just told you I dont want it
[08:19] <zenwhen> I was merely commenting
[08:19] <crimsun> If I successfully build it, I can send you a diff.gz
[08:19] <crimsun> the licensing issue is extremely important, zenwhen, which is why 1.42 was reverted.
[08:20] <da_bon_bon> mozilla 0.9.3 does not have auto plugin finder...
[08:20] <crimsun> at least your 1.42 package works
[08:20] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, it is any problem ? .. VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
[08:20] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: that's not a problem
[08:20] <Cloudchaser> i guess i have to go to windows to do this ;(
[08:20] <Cloudchaser> i'll work on it again some other time
[08:21] <zenwhen> to do what
[08:21] <Cloudchaser> sync my palm
[08:21] <zenwhen> oh
[08:21] <Cloudchaser> reinstall software to it
[08:21] <ogra> Cloudchaser: did you send a mail to the list... ?
[08:21] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, /dev/hdc:
[08:21] <ubuntu_user>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[08:21] <ubuntu_user>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[08:21] <ubuntu_user>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[08:21] <Cloudchaser> not yet ogra...i'm not sure quite what to ask
[08:22] <ogra> ubuntu_user: there was a bug about this in bugzilla a while ago i think
[08:22] <Cloudchaser> i read jpilots documentation on how to install files
[08:22] <ogra> Cloudchaser: just describe your prob
[08:22] <Cloudchaser> and i got it to sync once but it won't again
[08:22] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: in #flood, paste `lspci -v -s 07.1'
[08:23] <ubuntu_user> join #flood
[08:24] <da_bon_bon> in firefox 0.9.3 how do i go to "next" in find as u type?
[08:24] <ubuntu_user> join #flood
[08:24] <ogra> ubuntu_user: with  slash
[08:24] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, but command not return anything
[08:25] <ubuntu_user> ogra, slash?
[08:25] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: then paste the IDE interface info
[08:25] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: (from lspci)
[08:26] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, its this?
[08:27] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: yes
[08:27] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: like ogra suggested, check bugzilla
[08:29] <ogra> ubuntu_user: it has something to do with the module load order.....the fix is also described in bugzilla iirc
[08:29] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: in firefox 0.9.3, how do i open external links in new browser tabs ?
[08:30] <ogra> da_bon_bon: look at the options
[08:30] <ogra> da_bon_bon: if its not enough you find there use the about:config url
[08:30] <tavon> can someone tell me how to attache/embed images in the ubuntu wiki?
[08:30] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, you want to activate this on advanced preferences
[08:30] <tavon> I used the add image button but it just created a new page
[08:31] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: ?
[08:31] <da_bon_bon> ogra: options doesnt have. about:config has, but cant open in same windows new tabs...
[08:31] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, firefox
[08:31] <tavon> Is there a way to display the uploaded image in a wiki page/content?
[08:31] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: why are you addressing me RE: moz-firefox?
[08:32] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, ok sorry
[08:32] <da_bon_bon> anyone know of a nice, capable offline browser, aka site grabber ?
[08:33] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: I think you meant da_bon_bon?
[08:33] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: when?
[08:33] <ogra> tavon: there may be one, the Artwork wiki page shows pictures.....
[08:33] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, yes
[08:34] <ogra> tavon: look at the markup code how its done there....
[08:34] <thenuke> I wonder if there is frontend for wget :o
[08:34] <crimsun> thenuke: many
[08:34] <ogra> thenuke: gwget ?
[08:34] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: when?
[08:34] <thenuke> google just found that gwget
[08:34] <thenuke> I guess I will try that
[08:34] <thenuke> da_bon_bon: maybe you should try that gwget too
[08:34] <thenuke> da_bon_bon: wget is capable of grapping things from the web
[08:35] <thenuke> and then you you can browse those grabbed pages with your browser
[08:35] <da_bon_bon> thenuke: something graphical ?
[08:36] <thenuke> da_bon_bon: gwget is graphical frontend for wget
[08:36] <thenuke> http://gwget.sourceforge.net/
[08:37] <da_bon_bon> ok
[08:37] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, when what?
[08:38] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: crimsun told that u meant to refer to me; u said yes; i asked when ?
[08:38] <cenerentola> thenuke:  gwget... is not really that nice
[08:38] <[Phaedrus] > Has anyone had any luck making a Motorola SM56 PCI modem work with ubuntu?
[08:39] <ogra> hrmpf, ubuntuguide.....whats that ? sudo ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot
[08:40] <drspin> how can I check to see what drives have DNA enabled?
[08:40] <drspin> *DMA (sorry)
[08:42] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, when i asked, how open external links as new tabs in firefox
[08:42] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, when you asked, how open external links as new tabs in firefox
[08:44] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: do u know how to open ?
[08:45] <ubuntu_user> yes, go to advanced preferences in firefox
[08:45] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, yes, go to advanced preferences in firefox
[08:45] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, tabbed browsing
[08:46] <zenwhen> http://zenhardwhere.com/files/free-software.mp3
[08:46] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: i am firefox 0.9.3 - theres no 'tabbed browsing' in 'preferences -> advanced'
[08:48] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, and a similar option???
[08:50] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: no. afaik theres no wya to open external links in new tabs. anyway, which firefox do u use ?
[08:50] <ogra> whoa this ubuntuguide is soo wrong in so many places.... cant belive it
[08:50] <da_bon_bon> ogra: where, for example ?
[08:51] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, firefox 1.0
[08:52] <zenwhen> ogra, is it worse than the ubunbtu wiki article that helps you set up a completely insecure NFS share?
[08:52] <zenwhen> lol
[08:52] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: did u manage to get it to be your defualt browser?
[08:52] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, make a upgrade of firefox, i download the oficial version...
[08:52] <ogra> da_bon_bon: i about a third of the suggestions i would say...... for example the rescue mode part, point 1 is just wrong point 2 is written really dangerous
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> i mean, suppose u click on this link - www.google.com - will it open in firefox ?
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: u sued the .tar.gz file, didnt u ?
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> ogra: even i noticed mistake in rescue 1.
[08:53] <ogra> zenwhen: heh, havent read this one, will look at it after i calmed down a bit.....
[08:54] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: u used the .tar.gz file, didnt u ?
[08:54] <ogra> aaaaaaaaaaaaagrh sudo gedit /etc/sudoers
[08:55] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, yes, ubuntu repositories not have firefox 1.0
[08:55] <zenwhen> ogra, oh that doesnt work?
[08:55] <zenwhen> You cant add sudoers that way?
[08:55] <sjoerd> zenwhen: NEVER edit sudoers directly..
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: then u followed the guide ?
[08:55] <ogra> zenwhen: it works, but there is a reason for visudo on debian systems
[08:55] <xenonite> hi!
[08:55] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: you can, but it's risky
[08:55] <zenwhen> oh, I must be superman then.
[08:55] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, the guide ??
[08:55] <zenwhen> 8)
[08:56] <xenonite> how can i set sshd to start on boot time?
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: on ubuntulinux.org the page about upgrading...
[08:56] <ogra> xenonite: it should do it automatically if its installed
[08:56] <xenonite> ok cool
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: ok, tell me how exactly did u update? even i want to.
[08:56] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: basically, it works if you get it right, but if you don't it doesn't warn you
[08:56] <sjoerd> ogra: time to suggest some moderation for that guide ? :)
[08:56] <xenonite> and i want rsyncd to start automatically, too
[08:57] <zenwhen> then get it right
[08:57] <ogra> sjoerd: yep, i looked at it yesterday for the first time.....
[08:57] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: hmm...   not good  advice for new users though
[08:57] <zenwhen> I personally used nano to edit sudoers.
[08:57] <xenonite> da_bon_bon:  how can i achieve that rsyncd starts on boot time, too?
[08:58] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: congratulations </sarcasm>
[08:58] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:58] <ogra> heh
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> xenonite: no idea... :)
[08:58] <zenwhen> If they cant copy and paste, how to the expect to manage a linux system?
[08:58] <zenwhen> I mean, its not hard.
[08:58] <sjoerd> zenwhen: EDITOR=nano visudo  then :)
[08:58] <zenwhen> wow
[08:59] <zenwhen> I'll go without hand holding while editing config files thanks.
[08:59] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: Ubuntu is not for hardcore Linux people - I spent hours helping a girl who just liked it and wanted to learn
[08:59] <ogra> zenwhen: ubuntu aims the desktop part should be manageable without the commandline..... so without editing files
[09:00] <xenonite> ok... :/
[09:00] <zenwhen> I moved from Slack because it wasnt user friendly enough, and may have gone too far the other direction.
[09:01] <ogra> zenwhen: nope, its ok for you, but the main audience that asks for help here is more unexperienced as you probably have noticed
[09:01] <zenwhen> I really like Ubuntu but don't understand the harm of alowing people an opportunity to learn.
[09:01] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: not really - if you want to you can dive in and do it yourself: it's just a question of remembering that a lot of Ubuntu people are newbies
[09:01] <zenwhen> A generation f clueless linux users will kill the progress that has been made thus far.
[09:02] <sjoerd> zenwhen: nobody prevents people from learning
[09:02] <zenwhen> We arent immortal.
[09:02] <zenwhen> Oh well
[09:02] <zenwhen> Ill be quiet.
[09:02] <zenwhen> :P
[09:02] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: do you propose to make it illegal for newns to use Linux then?
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: u in australia right ?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> yup
[09:02] <zenwhen> Nope
[09:03] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: it takes time to get a clue, for most people
[09:03] <zenwhen> Well you dont get it without touching the cli.
[09:03] <ogra> you do
[09:03] <zenwhen> Cheilding newbs from the cli is going to bite us in the behind one day.
[09:04] <zenwhen> shielding*
[09:04] <thoreauputic> *sigh*  Of course - but make it easier and not intimidating
[09:04] <mjg59> There is no reason that most users should have to use the CLI
[09:05] <mjg59> The majority of the market out there is for simple desktop setups. Most people don't want to run servers.
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> anyone from antarctica or alaska here ?
[09:05] <briansanders4> hey, anyone know if ubuntu 2.6.8.1-4-386 is compiled with scsi and ide-scsi support?
[09:05] <ogra> briansanders4: no use for ide-scsi in 2.6
[09:05] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: actually I'm from a small planet near Betelgeuse ;)
[09:06] <ogra> briansanders4: scsi is in .....
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ok.
[09:06] <zenwhen> anyway, I need to boot into 2.6.10
[09:06] <mjg59> ogra: That's not strictly true
[09:06] <zenwhen> I have to run the christmas kernel
[09:06] <zenwhen> 8)
[09:06] <mjt> is 2.6.10 out already?
[09:06] <zenwhen> yep
[09:06] <tim1> hello
[09:06] <mjg59> Came out yesterday
[09:06] <zenwhen> rebooting
[09:06] <ogra> mjg59: so whats the usecase then :)
[09:06] <mjt> ugh.
[09:06] <mjg59> It ought to be in Hoary soon
[09:06] <mjt> there are ALOT of fixes in 2.6.10
[09:07] <mjg59> ogra: There are some apps that send raw scsi commands (like the one that resets the region change count on my DVD drive)
[09:07] <tim1> my ubuntu doesn't automount my usb stick anymore, there seem to be problems with the permissions of pmount
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> when i click on .deb files in nautilus, it gives an error. what do i do ?
[09:07] <tim1> how should pmount be set normally 
[09:07] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: why are you clicking on .debs in the first place?
[09:07] <briansanders4> i need scsi emulation, because my new cdrw won't burn with ubuntu 2.6.8.1-4-386
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: then how do i install them? dpkg ?
[09:08] <ogra> mjg59: ah, ok...so the apps need update :) then i understand why its still there..... was already wondering
[09:08] <briansanders4> it won't burn in any mode, although I can read CDs from it
[09:08] <mjg59> ogra: Also, it's the easiest way to use stuff that accesses CDs directly under Wine
[09:08] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: you still haven't read the FAQ or the synaptic guide, have you?
[09:08] <briansanders4> the cdrw is a sony CRX320A
[09:08] <ogra> briansanders4: did you give cdrecord the dev=/devhdX option ?
[09:08] <ogra> opps
[09:09] <briansanders4> yeah, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd
[09:09] <ogra> dev=/dev/hdX where X is the actual drive letter
[09:09] <briansanders4> nogo, it sees the drive, but says that the device is unrecognized or unsupported
[09:09] <mjt> there was something about dev=atapi:xxx too...
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: no :)) ok i will read now.
[09:09] <briansanders4> won't write in tao, raw, etc
[09:10] <ogra> briansanders4: but in other modes ?
[09:10] <briansanders4> i can't use sudo cdrecord -scanbus either
[09:10] <briansanders4> that gives an error
[09:10] <briansanders4> no mode works
[09:10] <briansanders4> that i've tried
[09:11] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: as a general rule, you don't need to install debs directly : using synaptic is the right way, or learning to use apt-get
[09:11] <briansanders4> tao, sao, raw, so far
[09:11] <ogra> briansanders4: dao ?
[09:11] <briansanders4> haven't tried that yet
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: i know how to install in synaptic or using apt-get, but i was wondering if i could click onthem...
[09:11] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: well, now you know that won't work, right?
[09:12] <tim1> can somebody with working automount oft usb storage devices please do a 'ls -l /usr/bin/pmount' ?
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ok.
[09:12] <ogra> tim1: are you looking for the plugdev group ?
[09:13] <tim1> erm .. i'm looking how to make my usb stick automount again
[09:13] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: if you try to install individual debs, you are *very* likely to have all kinds of dependency problems
[09:13] <ubuntu_user> anyone can tell me why my cdrecorder is not propretly reconized??
[09:13] <briansanders4> no luck with dao, same message:
[09:13] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[09:13] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
[09:13] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[09:13] <wood1> hi to all
[09:13] <ogra> tim1: look with the groups command if you are in the plugdev group
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: yes. i find apt-get easier..
[09:13] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: that's why apt and synaptic are there to help withh that stuff
[09:14] <wood1> ogra, do you dual boot your Ubuntu with Windows ?
[09:14] <ogra> wood1: on one of my laotops is a win98... but i never booted it.... :)
[09:14] <ogra> wood1: whats the prob ?
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> wood1: i do.
[09:15] <ubuntu_user> anyone can tell me why my cdrecorder is not propretly reconized??
[09:15] <wood1> Well nothing, just asking, Can we create a system where we can dual boot both Ubuntu Warty and Ubuntu Hoary ?
[09:15] <tim1> ogra: now i am, still does't work ... gnome-volume-manager tells me that i have no perms for /usr/bin/pmount
[09:15] <zenwhen> Linux sunball 2.6.10 #6 SMP Sat Dec 25 09:56:32 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:15] <ogra> tim1: you porobably need to login again
[09:16] <tim1> i'll try that
[09:16] <tim1> thanks in advance
[09:16] <ogra> tim1: or did you modify pmount anyhow ?
[09:16] <briansanders4> ubuntu_user: what's the problem with your cdrecorder (just wondering, because mine won't burn)
[09:17] <zenwhen> 2.6.10 breaks automounting flash drives in ubuntu
[09:17] <zenwhen> FYI
[09:17] <tim1> btw: there is even an option in the users & groups setting in gnome for plugdev, i just recoggnized
[09:17] <tim1> ogra: no
[09:17] <sjoerd> zenwhen: why ?
[09:17] <tim1> ogra: but im running hoary ...
[09:17] <zenwhen> Mounted before with the same config.
[09:17] <ogra> tim1: oh, ok....
[09:17] <wood1> ogra, I forgot the option where we need to unhide the GNOME Desktop in GConf-Editor ?
[09:17] <zenwhen> 2.6.10 broke it. I dont know why yet.
[09:17] <tim1> im using 2.6.9 anyway ...
[09:18] <briansanders4> tim1: where'd you get 2.6.9?
[09:18] <ogra> tim1: /usr/bin/pmount should belong to the plugdev group
[09:18] <ogra> oh
[09:18] <ogra> gone
[09:18] <tim1> ogra: it works. thank you very much .. again ...
[09:19] <sjoerd> zenwhen: lemme know if you know :)
[09:19] <ogra> :)
[09:19] <mjt> what is pmount btw?
[09:19] <briansanders4> does anybody know how to get an atapi/eide cdrw working under 2.6.8.1-4-386??
[09:19] <mjt> cdrw? Works For Me (tm)
[09:19] <ubuntu_user> briansanders4, i have the same problem
[09:19] <wood1> ogra, where is the option in Gconf-editor to show the GNOME desktop while right clicking the desktop ?
[09:19] <mjt> almost all cdrws are eide nowadays
[09:20] <ogra> briansanders4: most ive seen just work with the dev option, you prbably need device specific options
[09:20] <briansanders4> let me rephrase that, has anyone installed on sucessfully on an existing system, with a master cd
[09:20] <ogra> wood1: in nautilus/interface i think.....
[09:20] <ogra> wood1: /apps/nautilus/interface
[09:20] <briansanders4> i can' t even get it to try to write in raw mode
[09:20] <wood1> ok thanks
[09:21] <briansanders4> it doesn't even get to the point where its worried about options
[09:21] <ogra> briansanders4: google for the drive and cdrecord, it probably needs extra options
[09:21] <briansanders4> tried that, nothing
[09:21] <briansanders4> i've heard people got it working with scsi emulation, but I haven't been successful with that either
[09:22] <mjt> how it's "does not work", exactly?
[09:22] <mjt> i'm even using it with packet patches -- ie, like an ordinary filesystem
[09:23] <mjt> several different machines, several different cdrw and dvdrws, both scsi and atapi - works without a single prob
[09:23] <briansanders4> cdrecord [-any type]  dev=/dev/hdd test.iso
[09:23] <mjt> yes?
[09:24] <briansanders4> yields several errors, the most ominous:
[09:24] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[09:24] <briansanders4> Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
[09:24] <briansanders4> Version        : 0
[09:24] <briansanders4> Response Format: 2
[09:24] <briansanders4> Capabilities   :
[09:24] <briansanders4> Vendor_info    : 'SONY    '
[09:24] <briansanders4> Identifikation : 'CD-RW  CRX320E  '
[09:24] <briansanders4> Revision       : 'NYK2'
[09:24] <briansanders4> Device seems to be: Generic CD-ROM.
[09:24] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[09:24] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
[09:24] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: I had problems with CDRW when I changed from 2.4 to 2.6 - I needed to edit /etc/fstab as well as specifying /dev/hdc in k3b
[09:24] <ogra> pleas dnot flood here
[09:24] <wood1> does the nautilus-burner support multi-session on CD-R disc ?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> dunno if that helps
[09:24] <mjt> looks like your device says it can only read CDs...
[09:25] <briansanders4> fstab doesn' t matter if its not mounted
[09:25] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: possibly the symlink for /dev/cdrom points to the wrong place
[09:25] <mjt> er
[09:25] <mjt> nope ;)
[09:26] <ogra> h,
[09:26] <briansanders4> nope, look at the entry in the output from cdrecord
[09:26] <briansanders4> that's the right device
[09:26] <ogra> briansanders4: did you _ever_ burn with this drive on linux ?
[09:27] <briansanders4> no, but I've seen postings where people were successful (at least under 2.6.9)
[09:28] <ogra> briansanders4: ah, its _this_ new
[09:28] <drspin> what is the best way to burn an ISO??
[09:28] <briansanders4> "_this_new"?
[09:29] <ogra> drspin: right click
[09:29] <drspin> hmmm
[09:29] <ogra> briansanders4: how old is it ?
[09:29] <briansanders4> oh, brand new
[09:30] <ogra> briansanders4: thats what i meant....its _that_ new, that only 2.6.9 supports it :)
[09:30] <drspin> ogra: ??
[09:30] <ogra> drspin: right click the iso :) look for burn to disk
[09:30] <drspin> nope
[09:30] <drspin> not an option...
[09:30] <briansanders4> don't know, i haven't tried 2.6.9, which i probably should
[09:30] <ogra> drspin: on warty ?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> drspin: locate your ISO image in nautilus file manager, right-click, burn ISO
[09:31] <briansanders4> is there a 2.6.9 package for warty?
[09:31] <mjt> briansanders4: that's.. strange. works for me in 2.4.27, 2.6.5, 2.6.8, 2.6.9 and new 2.6.10
[09:31] <drspin> ogra: ironic... we write ISO in all caps but if the extension ISO is all caps in nautilus it won't have the burn to disk option... if it's in lowercase, it will! ;)
[09:31] <ogra> mjt: you got the same drive ?
[09:32] <mjt> we have about 20 different drives
[09:32] <ogra> drspin: heh....should be fixed.....
[09:32] <mjt> not that one exatly
[09:32] <briansanders4> yeah, i've never had issues with fedora, with 2.4.*
[09:32] <mjt> in fact, no single sony drive
[09:32] <briansanders4> this is a Sony CRX320A
[09:32] <mjt> i see
[09:32] <drspin> ogra - nope
[09:32] <neighborlee> Merry Christmas everyone ;-00000
[09:33] <briansanders4> i'd bring it back and get another if i knew it would work
[09:33] <ogra> drspin: nope ?
[09:33] <ogra> neighborlee: ho ho ho
[09:33] <mjt> i had some.. issues, which turned out to be firmware probs in some old teac scsi cdrw...
[09:33] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: does google turn up any problems like yours with linux?
[09:34] <mjt> *all* other devices just worked, so i never even bothered to look how it all works
[09:34] <thoreauputic> with that sony I mean
[09:34] <briansanders4> not exactly like mine, mostly people claiming that 2.6 kernel "broke something" and their old drives give similar messages from cdrecord
[09:35] <briansanders4> nothing with the exact drive and ubuntu kernel
[09:35] <thoreauputic> but this is on Debian, not Ubuntu
[09:35] <mjt> btw, did you try burning as root?
[09:35] <briansanders4> yeah
[09:35] <mjt> that's the only "issue" wich was with 2.6.8 or so
[09:36] <mjt> some permission checks have changed in that version
[09:36] <briansanders4> this is actually for my parents machine; i haven't burned any cds on mine since swithing from fedora
[09:36] <Cloudchaser> i have a question
[09:36] <mjt> Cloudchaser: good for you ;-P
[09:36] <briansanders4> this line looks odd to me though; Device seems to be: Generic CD-ROM.
[09:37] <ogra> briansanders4: yep
[09:37] <mjt> that's how it works here as well, briansanders4
[09:37] <briansanders4> i don't remember if that's a normal response or cdrecord should be recognizing it as a CDRW
[09:37] <mjt> for my cdrw/dvdr combo drive:
[09:37] <mjt> Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
[09:37] <mjt> Version        : 0
[09:37] <mjt> Response Format: 2
[09:37] <mjt> Capabilities   :
[09:37] <mjt> Vendor_info    : 'TOSHIBA '
[09:37] <mjt> Identifikation : 'ODD-DVD SD-R1512'
[09:38] <mjt> Revision       : '1010'
[09:38] <mjt> Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-ROM.
[09:38] <ogra> mjt: hey
[09:38] <briansanders4> its hard to tell what means anything on the output from cdrecord
[09:38] <ogra> mjt: in #flood please
[09:38] <Cloudchaser> the ubuntu forums and the ubuntu mailing list...do developers see that? how does one know if an issue is a bug or just ignorance?
[09:38] <briansanders4> some things i understand are just warnings and can be ignored
[09:39] <briansanders4> i'd like to try the 2.6.9 kernel; any ideas on what repository to get it from?  it doesn' t seem to be available via the standard warty channels
[09:40] <mjt> hmm.. here's the difference: "Generic mmc2 DVD-ROM" vs "Generic CD-ROM" -- note the lack of `mmcN'
[09:40] <briansanders4> mjt: any ideas what that means?
[09:41] <mjt> briansanders4: it's in the "unstable" part of ubuntu -- the kernel, that is
[09:41] <mjt> in your sources.list, s/warty/hoary/
[09:42] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: are u here ? i got it working....
[09:42] <mjt> and... no ideas about that 'mmc' stuff.. ;)  For me it means cdrecord's hardware-access library isn't being used in your case
[09:43] <cyph> hmm, is there a copy of ndiswrapper on the ubuntu 4.10 cd somewhere? i'd like to install it
[09:43] <mjt> it's a kernel "driver"
[09:44] <mjt> so, it's in linux-xxx packages
[09:44] <cyph> ah, so ubuntu installs it by default? excellent
[09:44] <mjt> dunno about "by default", but it is in kernel
[09:44] <ogra> cyph: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[09:45] <briansanders4> mjt: how do I add 'unstable' to the sources?
[09:45] <briansanders4> i've never really understood the apt format
[09:45] <mjt> 23:41 < mjt> briansanders4: it's in the "unstable" part of ubuntu -- the kernel, that is
[09:45] <mjt> 23:41 < mjt> in your sources.list, s/warty/hoary/
[09:46] <mjt> or you can grab it via ftp, ofcourse...
[09:46] <cyph> ogra: sadly, that appears to require an internet connection to download ndiswrapper; right now the internet connection is not an option without having ndiswrapper in the first place :(
[09:46] <briansanders4> do I add it to these two lines?:
[09:46] <briansanders4> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[09:46] <briansanders4> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[09:46] <cyph> thanks for the link though, i'll definitely refer back to it as soon as i find a way to get ndiswrapper without having a net connection
[09:46] <mjt> cyph: but you DO have internet connection, while talking in this channel!.. ;)
[09:46] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, yes
[09:47] <ogra> cyph: where does it say that ?
[09:47] <cyph> mjt: nah, multiple PCs :P
[09:47] <cyph> ogra: "update your repository"; plus ndiswrapper-utils doesn't come up in package search in synaptic
[09:47] <mjt> briansanders4: add similar line with "hoary" instead of "warty" in it
[09:48] <ogra> cyph: hmm, thought it is on the cd
[09:48] <mjt> briansanders4: and i think you also missed "main" part (in addition to universe) but i'm not sure
[09:48] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: got it running. thanks bye
[09:48] <cyph> yeah, it doesn't appear to be... none of the linux/kernel packages have it
[09:48] <mjt> briansanders4: and.. i think.. don't forget to add "APT::Default-Release warty;" into /etc/apt/apt.conf...
[09:48] <ubuntu_user> briansanders4, i can't active cdrecorder dma, and the system is too slow when burn a cd. cdrecorder, not recognize the drive corectly because this..
[09:49] <ogra> briansanders4: but beware of pulling other things then the kernel in..... it can break your system to mix the distributions
[09:49] <mjt> here it works even w/o dma... ;)
[09:49] <briansanders4> thx, believe me, all i'm getting is the kernel :)
[09:49] <mjt> it might require some deps
[09:50] <mjt> that's why i mention "default-release" thing
[09:50] <ogra> briansanders4: another option is to complete switch to hoary if you can live with the instabilities and breakages
[09:51] <cyph> does hoary tend to be more stable than debian sid?
[09:51] <ogra> cyph: nope
[09:51] <zenrox> Cyberjames,  no
[09:51] <cyph> how about less stable?
[09:51] <skobrosl> anyone here instaled mono?
[09:51] <zenrox> tho i dont have too many probs with hoary
[09:51] <ogra> cyph: its the instabilities of sid plus the ones of hoary
[09:52] <mjt> btw, how ubuntu is "better" than debian? ;-P
[09:52] <zenrox> cyph, ya what ogra  said
[09:52] <cyph> ogra: that sounds scary :(
[09:52] <zenrox> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.968 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 256/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.86G Free: 32.86G Procs: 80 Uptime: 1 hr 2 mins 17 secs Load: 2.13 2.06 2.04  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 348.42M Out: 19.22M
[09:53] <skobrosl> anyone here installed mono?
[09:53] <zenrox> cyph, you dont get much uptime with hoary
[09:53] <ogra> cyph: it is scary, but you see what will be coming up next ;) i.e. 45 boottime or a really fast starting X server etc
[09:53] <briansanders4> ok, installing the kernel now
[09:53] <ogra> 45 sec
[09:53] <briansanders4> the sad thing is that i really don't expect this to work, and then i'll have to bring this back and buy another burner and repeat the whole process
[09:53] <zenrox> ogra,  lol
[09:54] <briansanders4> ugh
[09:54] <mjt> yeah i too don't think it'll work with 2.6.9...
[09:54] <mjt> i mean, there should be no real difference
[09:54] <ogra> zenrox: dont laugh, the new bootprocess will be a revolution ;)
[09:54] <cyph> zenrox: i do use sid on a machine, the only time that really bit me in the ass over the past few years was when it wiped out a passwd file
[09:55] <mjt> boot process? do you mean hotplug/*.rc stuff too?
[09:55] <ogra> cyph: easy solved
[09:55] <briansanders4> its tough to check new hw for compatibility, usually i'm the first one to take the plunge, and it doesn't work more often than it works
[09:55] <cyph> yeah, it wasn't that bad
[09:55] <ogra> mjt: from Booting Ubuntu..... to starting gdm ....
[09:55] <briansanders4> ok, thanks for your help, here goes nothing....
[09:56] <cyph> hoary doesn't include xorg, does it? i do want to try and get ati drivers going
[09:56] <mjt> it does
[09:56] <mjt> and it even... works ;)
[09:56] <ogra> briansanders4: for new kernels you need to reboot :)
[09:56] <briansanders4> yeah, i'm off to reboot now (crossing fingers...)
[09:57] <ogra> cyph: no ati drivers (from ati) for xorg yet
[09:57] <lizdeika> just installed amule and it looks really ugly :) can i do smth with that ?
[09:57] <thoreauputic> ogra: yeah, I had to leave my seven week uptime behind to boot my new 2.6 kernel ;)
[09:58] <ogra> heh
[09:58] <ubuntu_user> how scan ide devices with cdrecord???
[09:58] <ogra> ubuntu_user: you dont
[09:58] <ACIDnet> is there a way to use my Ipod with linux??
[09:58] <ogra> ubuntu_user: you give the devaice name in the dev parameter, like dev=/dev/hdc
[09:59] <cyph> ogra: yeah, that's why i was wondering about the xorginess of hoary... had the same problem with suse 9.2 on the laptop, since suse ships it with xorg by default
[09:59] <ogra> ubuntu_user: so no need for scanning here as you know the name
[09:59] <cyph> guess i'll just stick to whatever this 4.10 shipped with for now
[09:59] <cyph> also, i have ndiswrapper now, yay
[10:00] <ogra> cyph: i may be wrong, but i think the ati drivers from xorg are ok.....
[10:00] <cyph> i want 3d acceleration though :(
[10:00] <ogra> cyph: then wait till april :)
[10:00] <ogra> cyph: and stay with warty
[10:00] <cyph> mid-jan is what they said last, actually :P
[10:00] <ubuntu_user> ogra, ok, i am testing gnomebaker, and it not recognize my drive, in the site say that if cdrecorder works gnomebaker works, but cdrecoder, works, and gnomebaker not..
[10:01] <ogra> cyph: for the hoary release i mean :)
[10:01] <cyph> ah
[10:01] <cyph> nah, i'm just being held up by the ati drivers :P
[10:01] <cyph> and ndiswrapper prevents me from switching to a 64-bit distro
[10:01] <ogra> cyph: you got a amd64 ?
[10:02] <cyph> yeah, the laptop is evil in a box
[10:02] <ogra> cyph: lucky you.....
[10:02] <cyph> ati card, broadcom wireless and 64-bit :(
[10:02] <mjt> btw, what do you guys use ndiswrapper for?
[10:02] <ogra> cyph: i would consider some bucks for a new card then....
[10:02] <cyph> ogra: can't really swap the card out in a laptop though
[10:02] <mjt> broadcom supports their ethernet nics under linux well
[10:03] <ogra> cyph: nope, but desnt it have usb or pcmcia ?
[10:03] <ogra> doesnt
[10:03] <cyph> mjt: it's for wireless, it basically takes the windows drivers and uses them on top of the linux kernel or something
[10:03] <cyph> yeah, but the pcmcia slot is being used by a bluetooth card :(
[10:03] <cyph> (that also doesn't work in linux)
[10:03] <cyph> hehe
[10:03] <mjt> i know what ndiswrapper does (scary thing), but i dunno what hardware it is used for
[10:03] <cenerentola> cyph: why not usb for bluetooth..
[10:03] <cyph> mjt: broadcom in my case
[10:03] <ogra> cyph: so you could swap it with a wlan card ;)
[10:03] <cyph> cenerentola: hate dongles :P
[10:03] <mjt> broadcom what?
[10:04] <cyph> mjt: broadcom 54g wireless chipset
[10:04] <cenerentola> mjt: you use it for hw that doesn't have support [device driver]  under linux
[10:04] <mjt> for quite some time i haven't seen a device which isn't supported under linux...  except of winmodems
[10:04] <cyph> yeah, same here
[10:05] <cyph> until i bought this laptop
[10:05] <cyph> heh
[10:05] <ogra> mjt: there are loads of them (wlan wise)
[10:05] <briansanders4> mjt: lol! 2.6.9 booted (with some ugly errors) and i was able to burn a cd no problem
[10:05] <mjt> briansanders4: that's.. very strange
[10:05] <briansanders4> unfortunately, it failed mounting the second hd that has all the pictures that my mother wants to burn onto cds
[10:05] <briansanders4> so i'm still screwed
[10:05] <mjt> there was no changes in that stuff in 2.6.9
[10:06] <ogra> mjt: unfortunately the use of ndiswrapper doesnt encourage the vendors to develop linux support
[10:06] <mjt> ogra: i understand full well what it means
[10:06] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: you can't mount that hard drive manually?
[10:06] <briansanders4> i actually burned it from nautilus
[10:06] <briansanders4> worked like a charm (before it gave the errors from cdrecord)
[10:06] <briansanders4> haven't tried yet
[10:06] <briansanders4> the entry in fstab didn't work
[10:06] <mjt> ogra: and i understand full well i will NOT use it on any production machine, too... ;)
[10:07] <briansanders4> it used to automount under 2.6.8 no problem
[10:07] <mjt> "didn't work" is a great description of a problem
[10:07] <mjt> ;)
[10:07] <ogra> mjt: hehe, me neither... i dont buy unsupported hw....
[10:07] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: probably just an /etc/fstab edit will fix it
[10:07] <mjt> not even about unsupported.. but i don't trust that sort of setup, with some foreign driver...
[10:07] <briansanders4> oh, and I got about 10 of these from dmesg (showed during boot):
[10:07] <briansanders4> device-mapper: : dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[10:07] <briansanders4> device-mapper: error adding target to table
[10:07] <briansanders4> device-mapper: : dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[10:08] <mjt> you don't have dm-linear module (loaded)
[10:08] <mjt> that's windows dynamic discs, right?
[10:08] <mjt> (or how that thing is called anyway)
[10:09] <mjt> briansanders4: thich error you've seen during mount?
[10:09] <mjt> which even
[10:10] <briansanders4> this is interesting too:
[10:10] <briansanders4> root@ubuntu:/mnt # mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb /mnt/share/
[10:10] <briansanders4> mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /mnt/share/ busy
[10:10] <briansanders4> root@ubuntu:/mnt # umount /mnt/share/
[10:10] <briansanders4> umount: /mnt/share/: not mounted
[10:10] <mjt> ogra: btw, are you doing hotplug maintenance in ubuntu?
[10:10] <sjoerd> briansanders4: umount /dev/hdb ?
[10:10] <Setite> brian haha wtf
[10:10] <ogra> mjt: nope....i'm on my way to new maintainer/member.....
[10:11] <StolenShoeBox> hello I was messing around with the panels and I acedently deleted the systray icon thingy
[10:11] <ubuntu_user> ogra, ok my cdrecorder now works, but nautilus-cdrecorder and gnomebaker not work, whats the problem now?
[10:11] <StolenShoeBox> can someone tell me how to get it back?
[10:11] <mjt> briansanders4: is hdb shown in /proc/partitions?
[10:11] <ogra> mjt: want to conquer the xscreensaver, isdn-utils and probably the softmodem stuff.....but hal is qite interesting too....
[10:11] <Setite> do you guys think that the whole new release every 6 months or so on some distros is good?
[10:12] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: your description isn't quite clear... but right click on the panel should give you some options
[10:12] <thoreauputic> as in "add applet" or whatever
[10:12] <StolenShoeBox> ive tryed that
[10:12] <StolenShoeBox> looked for like 10mins
[10:12] <StolenShoeBox> up and down the list
[10:12] <StolenShoeBox> nothing
[10:12] <StolenShoeBox> you knwow here u can minimize to tray
[10:12] <briansanders4> mjt: yes
[10:13] <StolenShoeBox> where*
[10:13] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: thoreauputic is right....
[10:13] <mjt> briansanders4: anything else about hdb there? hdb1, hdb2 etc?
[10:13] <thoreauputic> add window list or add notification area perhaps?
[10:13] <briansanders4> the funny thing is that I got no errors from dmsg for hdb (the part is hdb1), but did get a bunch from hdd (the burner, which worked fine):  the relevant messages are in flood
[10:14] <StolenShoeBox> noatifaction area! thats it
[10:14] <StolenShoeBox> werid name for it thow =P
[10:14] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: yeah I had that problem some months ago ;)
[10:14] <briansanders4> mount says the mount point is busy or the dev is already mounted
[10:14] <StolenShoeBox> =)
[10:14] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox:  I agree it isn't intuitive
[10:15] <StolenShoeBox> now can someone help me with a good p2p app liek shareaza?
[10:15] <briansanders4> but when i try to unmount it, it tells me that nothing is mounted there
[10:15] <StolenShoeBox> btw thx u guys
[10:15] <mjt> briansanders4: i mean, do you really want to mount hdb, or is it hdb1 (aka the partition) ?
[10:15] <briansanders4> hdb1
[10:16] <ogra> briansanders4: post the output of mount (without options) in #flood please
[10:16] <mjt> briansanders4: so why you tried to mount hdb when?
[10:16] <briansanders4> when i try to mount it manually it tells me that its already mounted
[10:17] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic: know any good apps for linux like shareaza/kazaa?
[10:17] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: :/
[10:17] <briansanders4> mount -t ext2  /dev/hdb1 cdburner/
[10:17] <briansanders4> mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or point/ busy
[10:17] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: no, sorry
[10:17] <ogra> briansanders4: wrong
[10:17] <briansanders4> errr... or cdburner/ busy
[10:17] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic, its cool =)
[10:17] <ogra> briansanders4: only mount
[10:18] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic, how about for burning cds?
[10:18] <briansanders4> what command do you want me to run?
[10:18] <ogra> briansanders4: mount
[10:18] <mjt> cat /proc/mounts  ;)
[10:18] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic, or any good rpg games or any games? =)
[10:18] <ogra> heh
[10:18] <ogra> mjt: good point
[10:18] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: just address your questions to the channel - I'm not a guru
[10:19] <briansanders4> the output of mount is in flood
[10:19] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic, sure you are! jk =)
[10:19] <ogra> k, thnx
[10:19] <briansanders4> sorry, there's a lot of stuff in there right now :)
[10:19] <StolenShoeBox> does anyone know a good cd burning app?
[10:19] <mjt> that's ok
[10:19] <ogra> yep
[10:19] <briansanders4> no hdb1 in there
[10:20] <ogra> briansanders4: what kind of fs was this ? ext3 ?
[10:20] <briansanders4> its ext2, is that unsupported in 2.6.9 or something?
[10:20] <ogra> briansanders4: hdb1 i mean
[10:20] <mjt> try this: mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb1 /mnt ; dmesg | tail -5
[10:20] <briansanders4> i put all my parents shared files on the drive so I can easily upgrade their box
[10:20] <ogra> briansanders4: look with cat /proc/filesystems |grep ext
[10:21] <mjt> ext2 IS there
[10:21] <mjt> or else mount will complain about unknown/unsupported filesystem type
[10:21] <briansanders4> mjt: in flood
[10:21] <ogra> mjt: sure and hda1 is mounted ext3
[10:21] <mjt> er
[10:22] <briansanders4> ogra: root@ubuntu:/tmp # cat /proc/filesystems |grep ext
[10:22] <briansanders4>         ext2
[10:22] <briansanders4>         ext3
[10:22] <ogra> briansanders4: what is point/ ???
[10:22] <thoreauputic> ext3 is just ext2 + journal anyway
[10:22] <briansanders4> oh, that's the mount point, just an empty dir
[10:22] <mjt> your syslog is flooded by firewall log
[10:22] <ogra> yep
[10:22] <mjt> that doesn't help... ;)
[10:22] <Friczy> yes. just type dmesg -n 1 and the flood will stop
[10:23] <briansanders4> i created a new mount point just to rule out any issue with the existing one
[10:23] <ogra> briansanders4: you must give the absolute path (from /) not just point/
[10:24] <mjt> ogra: in fact, relative path will work just fine too
[10:25] <ogra> mjt: uh, since when ?
[10:25] <briansanders4> root@ubuntu:/tmp # mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb1 /tmp/point/ ; dmesg | tail -5
[10:25] <briansanders4> mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /tmp/point/ busy
[10:25] <briansanders4> same result
[10:25] <mjt> briansanders4: let's put it this way: what kernel says (if anything) when you're trying to mount it, in dmesg or /var/log/kern.log ?
[10:25] <mjt> ogra: since ages ;)
[10:26] <briansanders4> mjt: in flood
[10:26] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: does hdb1 have an /etc/fstab entry? If so, what does it say?
[10:26] <ogra> mjt: hmm, never tried.....i started with linux when it wasnt possible, probably i'm a concrete head.....
[10:26] <Friczy> briansanders4: mount | grep hdb1 What is the result?
[10:26] <mjt> nothing
[10:27] <briansanders4> thoreuputic: /dev/hdb1       /mnt/share      ext2    defaults        0       0
[10:27] <ACIDnet> :@ i hate mp3s!!!
[10:27] <mjt> er
[10:27] <ACIDnet> doing my head in
[10:27] <briansanders4> mjt: nothing
[10:28] <briansanders4> no output
[10:28] <mjt> er
[10:28] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: and a cd to /mnt/share followed by an ls -al shows nothing?
[10:28] <mjt> er er er
[10:28] <briansanders4> thoreauputic: correct
[10:28] <thoreauputic> hrmmm
[10:28] <mjt> ok
[10:28] <thoreauputic> OK
[10:28] <mjt> how about /proc/mounts when?
[10:28] <ogra> ok ?
[10:28] <briansanders4> wow, actually it shows this:
[10:28] <briansanders4> root@ubuntu:/mnt/share # ls -la
[10:28] <briansanders4> total 8
[10:28] <briansanders4> drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root         4096 Nov 25 20:42 .
[10:28] <briansanders4> drwxr-xr-x    3 root     root         4096 Nov 25 20:42 ..
[10:28] <mjt> this is the real list of mounts
[10:29] <briansanders4> that there are 8 items, but only 2 show
[10:30] <mjt> briansanders4: is your hdb1 shown in /proc/mounts ??
[10:30] <thoreauputic> 'that's only showing current and parent dirs
[10:30] <mjt> "total 8" is 8 Kbytes
[10:30] <briansanders4> mjt: proc/mounts in flood
[10:30] <mjt> not 8 files
[10:30] <briansanders4> ah nm
[10:31] <mjt> oh-huh
[10:32] <ogra> mjt: hmm, /dev2 ?
[10:32] <mjt> briansanders4: try to umount /dev/hdb1 again, and retry.. i think...
[10:32] <mjt> ogra: initrd?
[10:33] <ogra> mjt: seems like, i just recognized it here too....
[10:33] <mjt> ogra: that rootfs and / entries in /proc/mounts are.. funny always
[10:33] <ogra> *grin*
[10:33] <ubuntu_user> briansanders4, and what is your recorder problem?
[10:33] <mjt> briansanders4: for some reason mount command thinks it's already mounted
[10:33] <mjt> ubuntu_user: it's solved by upgrading to 2.6.9
[10:34] <ogra> ubuntu_user: which introduced new probs :P
[10:34] <briansanders4> mjt: root@ubuntu:/mnt/share # umount /mnt/share/
[10:34] <briansanders4> umount: /mnt/share/: not mounted
[10:34] <mjt> ok
[10:34] <briansanders4> ubuntu_user: be warned that i have other probs now
[10:35] <tim1> i need some help again: when compiling mono apps i get an error because of a missing 'gtk-sharp-2.0.pc'
[10:36] <ubuntu_user> briansanders4, now my cdrecord works but nautilus cd-recorder not...
[10:36] <thoreauputic> tim1: you have all the gtk-2 development libraries ?
[10:36] <bob2> tim1: go to http://packages.debian.org/ and find which package that's in
[10:36] <StolenShoeBox> does anyone know a good cd burning app?
[10:37] <briansanders4> ubuntu_user: you're doing better than i am ;)
[10:37] <tim1> bob2: i did that and the packages are already installed
[10:37] <bob2> tim1: pretty sure it would be in libgtk-cil, tho
[10:37] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: yes but it's KDE, not Gnome
[10:37] <bob2> nautilus is a fine program for making data cds
[10:37] <bob2> tim1: you have libgtk-cil, as well as 'mono'?
[10:37] <ogra> tim1: what app is this ? in libgtk-cil has 'gtk-sharp.pc'
[10:38] <tim1> i have libgtk-cil installed
[10:38] <tim1> funny thing is: beagle compiles, whereas muine and others do not
[10:38] <ogra> tim1: there is only 'gtk-sharp.pc' not 'gtk-sharp-2.0.pc'
[10:38] <bob2> muine is in ubuntu already
[10:39] <tim1> bob2: not 0.7.0
[10:39] <ogra> tim1: and other mono packages are in tsengs repo
[10:39] <ubuntu_user> briansanders4, and my drive dma is not enable...
[10:39] <Setite> bwa
[10:40] <tim1> mh
[10:41] <bob2> well, the 0.6.3 build system looks sane
[10:42] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic, so k3b? laste time I isnatlled taht it mest my system up.
[10:42] <bob2> hm, yeah, it's changed in 0.7.0
[10:42] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: works for me (TM)
[10:43] <Pyraine> how do i get floppy discs to work?
[10:43] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic, so jsut install it with the package manager and tahts it?
[10:43] <briansanders4> ubuntu_user: my orig problem was that cdrecord would not write to my burner (although i could read from it)
[10:43] <briansanders4> after upgrading to 2.6.9, it burns no problem (although it gives some errors on startup)
[10:43] <briansanders4> however, now i have other problems with a second harddrive not mounting correctly....that's all I know :)
[10:43] <bob2> the trick is to not run it as root
[10:43] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: you have to regard certain things, else X will break from k3b
[10:43] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: I doubt it was k3b that "messed your system up" by the way :)
[10:43] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: should I even use k3b can i use something easy? lol
[10:43] <bob2> thoreauputic: people run it as root, then it fucks up their X authority files
[10:43] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: depends what you want, nautilus is fine for data
[10:44] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: i wont to burn audio cds
[10:44] <StolenShoeBox> want*
[10:44] <ogra> bob2: unfortunately there is no other way then to run k3bsetup then as root ;)
[10:44] <tim1> bob2: the configure script in 0.6.3 works for me, the ne autogen.sh in 0.7 does not
[10:44] <bob2> that's pretty sick
[10:44] <ogra> bob2: thats kde
[10:44] <bob2> tim1: yes, I know, look at configure.in
[10:45] <ubuntu_user> briansanders4, now i remember my old P2, with slackware 9.1 kernel 2.4, nothing of this problems, totaly working with no extra force.. but slowly.. :)
[10:45] <ogra> bob2: as _i_ know it
[10:45] <bob2> PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GTKSHARP,
[10:45] <bob2>                   gtk-sharp-2.0 >= $GTKSHARP_REQUIRED \
[10:45] <Pyraine> please can somebody tell me how to get my floppy drive to work?
[10:45] <bob2> tim1: maybve removing all the -2.0 bits from that block will fix it?
[10:45] <StolenShoeBox> ok guys so what should I get?
[10:45] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: so probably take k3b, look at the wiki, there is an installation howto
[10:45] <Pyraine> i think i need to rename the folder fd to fd0 but i don't know how
[10:45] <bob2> Pyraine: 'work'? you want to mount a floppy disk?
[10:45] <thoreauputic> bob2: yes, I learned to blow .Xauthority away to fix k3b problems ;)
[10:45] <olivier> Hi. I'm trying to use debootstrap to get a debian stable in my ubuntu, but debootstrap (0.2.45ubuntu15) want to mount /sys (mount: mount point /sys does not exist) inside my chroot (I assume it wants to do like on my ubuntu - I got sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)). How can I change this behaviour to get it working ?
[10:45] <Pyraine> yes
[10:45] <Setite> does Ubuntu have ntfs read/write support OOTB?
[10:46] <StolenShoeBox> ogra ill give it a shot but last time i looked for it i couldnt fidn it
[10:46] <Pyraine> i have drivers for my modem on floppy disc but i can't get them on
[10:46] <bob2> Pyraine: 'mount /floppy/' in a terminal
[10:46] <Pyraine> ook i will try that now
[10:46] <bob2> Setite: no, write support does not work under linux
[10:46] <bob2> unless you use captive-ntfs is which is a errible hack
[10:46] <StolenShoeBox> any why can only one program use sound at a time?
[10:46] <Setite> errible?
[10:47] <bob2> terrible.
[10:47] <bob2> if you want that, then afaik you need to build your own kernel
[10:48] <Setite> yea i heard that is how you do it
[10:48] <Setite> but i recall seeing a project that didnt require that... lemme go see if i bookmarked it
[10:48] <cyph> whoo, got ndiswrapper going
[10:48] <bob2> some people really mess up the wiki for no apparent reason
[10:49] <ogra> bob2: yep
[10:49] <ogra> bob2:very bad
[10:49] <Setite> bob2 PM
[10:49] <bob2> Setite: no
[10:49] <Setite> ok is this good
[10:50] <Setite> http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[10:50] <thoreauputic> some anti-KDE zealot perhaps?
[10:50] <ogra> hmm, funny, o find it if i'm logged in
[10:50] <ogra> but not if i'm anonymous
[10:50] <zenwhen> thoreauputic,
[10:50] <zenwhen> link me to the article in question
[10:50] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988
[10:50] <bob2> Setite: yes, that's captive ntfs
[10:50] <Setite> is it good?
[10:50] <StolenShoeBox> ogra: thx
[10:51] <Setite> i want to be able to play mp3s from an NTFS partition if possible
[10:51] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: sorry I don't follow? I was commenting on why someone might have deleted the k3b howto
[10:51] <zenwhen> oh
[10:51] <zenwhen> ok
[10:51] <zenwhen> I like k3b
[10:51] <bob2> Setite: you can do that without any hacks, you just can't modify them
[10:51] <zenwhen> that article was helpful
[10:51] <ogra> thoreauputic: as i said, you cant find it if not logged in......i think i file a bug....
[10:52] <bob2> ogra: please do
[10:52] <zenwhen> I wouldnt touch a single other KDE app tho :P
[10:52] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: I kind of like kworldclock *grin*
[10:52] <Setite> ok for modification i need to modify my kernel?
[10:52] <zenwhen> lol
[10:52] <thoreauputic> can't think of others...
[10:53] <thoreauputic> unless you count xpenguins, of course...
[10:53] <bob2> Setite: if really need to be able to write to it, then captive ntfs is the only choice I'm aware of
[10:53] <Setite> ok
[10:53] <tim1> bob2: i tried to modify the configure script but it seems to cause more problems then it solves, it hink i'll just have to wait for binary package or the new bindings
[10:54] <mati`> hey
[10:54] <cenerentola> hey
[10:54] <mati`> i want to request cds, i understand that they are free, but are the shipmet charges free too?
[10:55] <mati`> shipment
[10:55] <thoreauputic> mati`: yes
[10:55] <bob2> mati`: of course
[10:55] <mati`> that must cost a lot to them
[10:55] <cyph> yeah, they shipped them overseas to the US too
[10:56] <cenerentola> mati`: so it's better if u can order some more cds.. and then
[10:56] <mati`> hmm
[10:56] <cenerentola> give them away/divide them with friend
[10:56] <ogra> #4990 filed :)
[10:56] <thoreauputic> mati`: they have an agreement with Santa ;)
[10:57] <Setite> one more question... so captive is how you read and write... but just reading can be done with the kernel? because i want both but I have a buddy who just needs to be able to read ntfs
[10:57] <mati`> yaay ! :)
[10:57] <Klaw> right who stole my name 'pyraine' ?
[10:57] <Setite> should have registered it
[10:57] <Klaw> but why would anyone want to steal that name?
[10:57] <Klaw> i made it up!
[10:57] <cyph> Klaw: if you registered it, ghost it
[10:58] <Klaw> i never registered it =\
[10:58] <bob2> Setite: just mount it like you mount a normal partition, with filesystem type 'ntfs'
[10:58] <troskal> Tyra munni ma tellisin kah endale Ubuntu raisk nahhui!
[10:58] <cyph> and uh, it's not stolen, it's your old client not getting bumped by the server yet :P
[10:58] <Klaw> i just dont see why anyone would want to steal a name i made up
[10:58] <mati> bye
[10:58] <cyph> it has the same IP as you do
[10:58] <cyph> give it a few minutes
[10:58] <thoreauputic> Klaw: see cyph's comment
[10:58] <Setite> bob2... and ubuntu can read it already?
[10:59] <bob2> Setite: yes
[10:59] <thoreauputic> Klaw: the server thinks you are still here under that name
[10:59] <Setite> awesome... and fedora does not right
[10:59] <Klaw> oooh
[10:59] <bob2> I'd assume fedora would, too
[10:59] <ogra> Klaw: register it as soon as you can :)
[10:59] <thoreauputic> Klaw: when it expires, you can register it
[10:59] <bob2> any modern distribution could
[11:00] <Klaw> so as i was saying..
[11:00] <Setite> well i thought fedora had all ntfs disabled
[11:00] <Klaw> i can't mount floppy because 'filesystem' was not recognized
[11:00] <ogra> Klaw: its a dos filesystem ?
[11:00] <Setite> i was told that when i tried fedora... ah well... im past fedora anyway... it was evil
[11:00] <bob2> Klaw: you'd need to show us the whole command you ran, and the full output
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Klaw: edit /etc/fstab, change `auto` to vfat
[11:00] <Klaw> i typed
[11:00] <Klaw> mount \floppy\
[11:01] <ogra> Klaw: thoreauputic is right
[11:01] <Klaw> like i was told to
[11:01] <TTilus> lo and behold!  removing all the confs from my homedir helped, sawfish starts in a snap compared to previous minutes of hanging
[11:01] <Klaw> i cant auto anything
[11:01] <Klaw> sorry
[11:01] <Klaw> i cant edit
[11:01] <Klaw> anything
[11:01] <TTilus> now just have to find out what it was and report it...  if i ever find  :)
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Klaw: uh, forward slashes in Linux
[11:01] <Klaw> when i did forward slashes it said command not recognized
[11:01] <bob2> erm
[11:01] <ogra> Klaw: then copy and paste: mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /floppy
[11:02] <Klaw> i need a pen and paper
[11:02] <ogra> Klaw: sorry, better: mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[11:02] <TTilus> Klaw: mount \floppy\ tries to mount "floppy " which propably doesnt exist
[11:02] <TTilus> backslash is for escaping
[11:02] <netdur> would someone chat with me on private?
[11:03] <ogra> TTilus: trose to mount loppy
[11:03] <ogra> tries
[11:03] <thoreauputic> netdur: why, are you lonely?
[11:03] <TTilus> netdur: what are you wearing  :D
[11:03] <toptnc> hi all
[11:03] <Klaw> right so tell me
[11:03] <xskoulax> merry xmas all
[11:03] <thoreauputic> haha @ TTilus
[11:03] <Klaw> to mount a floppy, what do i need to edit, and what do i need to type?
[11:03] <toptnc> i have installed ubuntu warhty in a compaq armada 1500c and i can't configure the sound card
[11:04] <toptnc> lspci doesn't list it
[11:04] <bob2> Klaw: you just need to type what ogra said
[11:04] <cenerentola> ive just re-installed ubuntu on my bro's computer..
[11:04] <ogra> Klaw: exactly...(and beware of typos) : mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[11:04] <netdur> I need help but not about ubuntu, I develop some js script, I need someone how uses firefox to do small test for me
[11:04] <thoreauputic> Klaw: if you type the command you were given, it should mount
[11:04] <Klaw> mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy?
[11:04] <ogra> Klaw: yep :)
[11:04] <netdur> how who*
[11:04] <Klaw> but there is no fd0 it's just fd, and i can't rename it
[11:04] <cenerentola> and after launching the kernel... its says.. "stage1/stage2" error..
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Klaw: erm.. that seems unlikely to say the least
[11:05] <netdur> so if someone free
[11:05] <Klaw> hmm:S i was here the yesterday and i was told to rename fd to fd0 with something like sudo
[11:06] <xskoulax> anyone got 4g ipods running with ubuntu yet?
[11:06] <ogra> Klaw: thats nonsense
[11:06] <TTilus> Klaw: can you find computer --> desktop settings --> removable media  (or something like that, i do gnome in finnish so...)
[11:06] <cenerentola> xskoulax: is it an arm?
[11:07] <xskoulax> huh, ARM?
[11:07] <Klaw> im not sure i wish it didnt take me so long to find ouyt
[11:07] <Klaw> i would have to reboot load ubuntu, check, reboot, load windows, then tell you
[11:07] <cenerentola> can you run xskoulax what kind of processor are they powered by?
[11:08] <Klaw> i will just check see if mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy works
[11:08] <Klaw> brb
[11:08] <xskoulax> cenerentola, its a mp3 player
[11:08] <sjoerd> cenerentola: i think he wants to use it with his ubuntu computer not run ubunto on it
[11:08] <xskoulax> made by apple
[11:08] <TTilus> Klaw: write the previous down and try it if mount spells fail
[11:08] <xskoulax> yea sjoerd had it
[11:08] <cenerentola> sjoerd: ok..
[11:08] <xskoulax> thats what i'm checking
[11:08] <sjoerd> xskoulax: it doesn't work if you just plug it in ?
[11:08] <cenerentola> xskoulax: yes..
[11:09] <netdur> someone please!
[11:09] <xskoulax> dunno yet laptop is running ubuntu but only has usb not usb2
[11:09] <xskoulax> desktop has no os right now
[11:09] <cenerentola> xskoulax: ok so..
[11:09] <ogra> netdur: just post the url.... if yomeone has time s/he will look
[11:09] <xskoulax> and if windows fails to co-operate on this install the fucking cd will become lots of little sharp peices
[11:09] <cenerentola> xskoulax: u need to download gnupod, gtkpod, or guipod.
[11:10] <cenerentola> xskoulax: don't worry it will work even on usb..
[11:10] <xskoulax> nice
[11:11] <cenerentola> xskoulax: just go on that progz website.. and follow the guides..
[11:11] <thoreauputic> xskoulax: don't do it - your Christmas tree might spontaneously reboot ;)
[11:11] <gwildor> rofl
[11:11] <xskoulax> heh
[11:11] <cenerentola> you can also use http://armin.emx.at/ipod but if you'll only use it as mp3 player.. the above ones will do the jov
[11:12] <cenerentola> s/jov/job
[11:12] <cenerentola> ok buona notte a tutti/good night everyone..
[11:12] <cenerentola> buon natale
[11:12] <cenerentola> ciao
[11:12] <xskoulax> gn
[11:12] <xskoulax> thx for the info
[11:12] <cenerentola> nothing...ciao
[11:12] <Setite> who is here 100% ms-free
[11:13] <cenerentola> me
[11:13] <gwildor> me
[11:13] <Setite> haha it sounds like a disease
[11:13] <gwildor>  lol
[11:13] <gwildor> i dont even use MS hardware....mouse keyboard, not even an Xbox
[11:13] <Setite> xbox is not that bad
[11:14] <gwildor> no, i WOULD buy one......im broke
[11:14] <Setite> for a console its pretty good
[11:14] <gwildor> imo its 100 times better than ps2
[11:14] <Setite> wouldnt go that far
[11:14] <gwildor> alrght.....
[11:14] <Setite> PS2 kills it in selection
[11:14] <gwildor> hardware wise it is.......maybe not software titles
[11:14] <Setite> xbox is a superior console... but sony is kicking ass with releases
[11:14] <thoreauputic> I didn't *choose* them though
[11:14] <PotajiTo> I use an intelli mouse, the first optical mouse that ms released, like 3-4 years ago, it works perfect
[11:14] <Setite> i dont have an MS keyboard... i thought i did
[11:15] <Setite> turned out it was logitech
[11:15] <cenerentola> gwildor: well im working on xbox's fatx on 2.6 without owning one..
[11:15] <Setite> and i have the airflo mouse
[11:15] <Setite> the fans broke though
[11:15] <Setite> i was pissed
[11:15] <sid77> Setite: here I am :)
[11:15] <Setite> who are you
[11:15] <Setite> cara?
[11:15] <gwildor> PotajiTo, thoreauputic, i have the intellimouse clone....cheap one by "silicone harbor"
 who is here 100% ms-free
[11:15] <Setite> oh ok
[11:16] <PotajiTo> i've to recongnise that this mouse wasn't cheap, but as I say it works
[11:16] <gwildor> oh, mine works great...even for a cheapo
[11:16] <Setite> silicone or silicon?
[11:16] <gwildor> silicon harbor
[11:16] <gwildor> sorry
[11:16] <thoreauputic> I wanted to replace my mouse with a hamster, but the people in the shop tried to call the police
[11:16] <Setite> ok got scared for a moment
[11:17] <gwildor> why,m what issilicone harbor?
[11:17] <Setite> yea man... you cant be plugging USB in the back of a hamster...
[11:17] <ogra> thoreauputic: ah, wireless....
[11:17] <PotajiTo> I bought a trust one and only resits like 6months
[11:17] <Setite> silicone is titty
[11:17] <gwildor> lol
[11:17] <Setite> fake titties... so i was wondering
[11:17] <gwildor> i just grab and click around with a breast all day
[11:17] <Setite> thats be neat...
[11:17] <Setite> a nipple for the scroller
[11:17] <gwildor> hell yeah
[11:17] <gwildor> lol
[11:18] <Setite> hmmmm i said that nipple part first
[11:18] <Setite> i should go patent it
[11:18] <bob2> come on folks
[11:18] <Setite> nah... too tired
[11:18] <Setite> yes bob? should we clean it up?
[11:18] <gwildor> sorry bob2......im done
[11:18] <Setite> kiddies in the room?
[11:18] <ogra> apparently
[11:18] <ogra> :)
[11:18] <Setite> hey man... im talking about a male nipple... perfectly legal :)
[11:19] <gwildor> ubuntu has male nipples on the CD cover
[11:19] <Setite> jk... dont need to rub a male n*****
[11:19] <bob2> no kiddies, but this seems a tad off-topic
[11:20] <Setite> i suppose... it's fun to get off topic every once in a while
[11:20] <bob2> sure
[11:20] <Setite> this channel has no mods?
[11:20] <gwildor> they dont aadvertise
[11:20] <thoreauputic> bob2: well, it isn't actually Sunday yet, but....
[11:20] <bob2> if by 'mods' you mean, 'channel operators', it has lots
[11:20] <bob2> haha.
[11:20] <ogra> Setite: there always is one if the channel needs one
[11:20] <Setite> mods... ops... you know what i meant
[11:20] <Setite> im a forum guy... so mods is what i think of them ass
[11:20] <Setite> as*
[11:20] <bob2> spammers need a new union
[11:21] <ogra> heh
[11:21] <bob2> apparently they have to work on christmas day!
[11:21] <Pyraine> hmm
[11:21] <gwildor> lol
[11:21] <xskoulax> hehe
[11:21] <Pyraine> still problem
[11:21] <Setite> spam song?
[11:21] <Setite> wait... i dont wnat to know
[11:22] <ogra> xskoulax: hehe
[11:22] <gwildor> it bring more spam...like the rain dance
[11:22] <Pyraine> i type the command in, double click floppy and then it says 'Mount: I could not determine the file sytem type, and none was specified'
[11:22] <bob2> don't you have anything *without* spam?
[11:22] <ogra> lol
[11:23] <bob2> Pyraine: you ran the command ogra gave you?
[11:23] <Pyraine> yes
[11:23] <ogra> Pyraine: but you used -t vfat ?
[11:23] <Pyraine> i typed
[11:23] <Pyraine> mount -t vfat/dev/fd0/media/floppy
[11:23] <bob2> that's not what ogra said
[11:23] <ogra> Pyraine: and the spaces ?
[11:24] <Pyraine> oh
[11:24] <bob2> 08:04:10           ogra |  Klaw: exactly...(and beware of typos) : mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[11:24] <thoreauputic> Pyraine:  you need some spaces in there
[11:24] <bob2> the spaces are important
[11:24] <ogra> (and beware of typos)
[11:24] <ogra> *g*
[11:25] <ogra> bob2: btw the decision for auto in fstab is pretty bad for floppies....
[11:25] <bob2> it is?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> something needs to be done about these peers -  always resetting connections!
[11:26] <bob2> iirc auto works fine with vfat and ext2, which seem to be the only things you find on floppies
[11:26] <ogra> bob2: mounting without -t doesnt work....
[11:26] <bob2> if you specify a device to mount, it ignores fstab completely
[11:26] <bob2> 'mount /floppy' should work fine
[11:26] <ogra> bob2: auto seems not to work on floppies
[11:26] <bob2> hm
[11:27] <bob2> hrm, it seems I don't actually have any floppy drives anymore
[11:27] <thoreauputic> my experience agrees with ogra's
[11:27] <El_Che> hey, any idea why any program that is supposed to run as root fail in gnome after typing the correct password?
[11:27] <bob2> can one of you guys file a bug then?
[11:27] <bob2> El_Che: you typed your password, right?
[11:27] <El_Che> yep
[11:27] <ogra> bob2: canonical really lacks old HW
[11:27] <ogra> El_Che: your user password ?
[11:28] <El_Che> bob2: failed to run gdmsetup as root
[11:28] <El_Che> ogra: root passwd
[11:28] <ogra> El_Che: wont work
[11:28] <El_Che> lol
[11:28] <El_Che> idd user passwd works
[11:28] <ogra> El_Che: root is disabled na dall the gui tools use gksudo
[11:28] <ogra> and all
[11:28] <El_Che> i could login in the shell with the root passwd
[11:28] <El_Che> sudo passwd root
[11:29] <bob2> yes, because yo uset a root password
[11:29] <bob2> but all the tools still use gksudo
[11:29] <Mithrandir> is there a known fix for the parted-eats-partition-tables-and-makes-windows-unbootable problem?
[11:29] <El_Che> ok, just getting used to the rootless thing
[11:29] <El_Che> :)
[11:29] <gwildor> ogra, when i try to launch synaptic form fluxbox menu, it ask for pass, but user pass doesnt work.......
[11:29] <ogra> El_Che: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:29] <bob2> ogra: hah, that's the distro team's department ;)
[11:29] <ogra> gwildor: i'm not talking about flux
[11:30] <gwildor> nvm...........
[11:30] <gwildor> i know
[11:30] <gwildor> sorry
[11:30] <ogra> bob2: i'm still collecting ISA cards for tests....
[11:30] <ogra> :)
[11:30] <gwildor> ogra, i guess i was aking if you knew why, but am too stupid to just come out and ask
[11:30] <Simira> help
[11:30] <El_Che> thx, guys, setting up ubuntu for the parents. They seem to like it.
[11:30] <ApesMa> At boot, I get the message "VFS - can't find ext3 on dev hda6"  This is understandable; I made /dev/hda6 reiserfs. I've found a bunch of documentation of Gnome VFS online, but not a darn thing that says what configuration files it looks in if any. Why is VFS thinking I should have an ext3 file system there?
[11:31] <ogra> gwildor: there must be a setup with gksu in flux then :)
[11:31] <bob2> it's not a gnome vfs thing
[11:31] <bob2> it's a kernel thing
[11:31] <bob2> ApesMa: you built your own kernel?
[11:31] <gwildor> ogra, ond i need to change that to "gksudo", or enable root?
[11:31] <ogra> ApesMa: so you are using either reiser or xfs as root fs
[11:31] <DeepSpaceAnt> when is the usplash for ubuntu going to be up and running?
[11:32] <ogra> ApesMa: you can ignore it, in the initrd image is a probe for ext3 that doesnt find it ....
[11:32] <LinuxSanta> hmmmmmm
[11:32] <acetech> im thinking of switching to ubuntu
[11:32] <ogra> ApesMa: ...because its reiser
[11:33] <gwildor> do it
[11:33] <acetech> i am running testing on debian now
[11:33] <ogra> ApesMa: same goes for xfs
[11:33] <acetech> is the ubuntu stable better than debian testing?
[11:33] <ogra> acetech: ubuntu stable i sbetter then anything ;)
[11:33] <thoreauputic> acetech: is purple better than green?
[11:34] <ogra> acetech: but in the end there is debian under the hood
[11:34] <acetech> how can i switch my system over to ubuntu stable from debian testing?
[11:35] <gwildor> just change the repos.........
[11:35] <toptnc> someone have configured sound in a compaq armada 1500c??
[11:36] <ApesMa> ogra: Thanks! I'm trying to get rid of those messages at the beginning so that they don't scare my sister. :)
[11:36] <ogra> ApesMa: oh, getting rid of this one is easy, use ext3 ;)
[11:37] <ogra> ApesMa: or tell her to ignore it....
[11:37] <acetech> is there an easy method to witch to ubuntu from a debian system?
[11:37] <ferris> can I get some program installation help?
[11:37] <ogra> acetech: from woody to stable yes....
[11:38] <acetech> orgra, from testing to stable
[11:38] <ogra> acetech: from testing to stable ... dunno, you have to downgrade some things i guess....if your testing is uptodate
[11:39] <Deamon> can anybody explant to me how I can set a different DNS and Gateway?
[11:39] <Deamon> explain**
[11:39] <ogra> acetech: sarge to warty is not officially supported .....
[11:39] <thoreauputic> ferris: hard to say until you ask :)
[11:39] <ferris> i am trying to install bitdefender antivirus the file is a '.deb' file.
[11:39] <acetech> orga: should i go from testing to testing then?
[11:39] <ogra> Deamon: try the network tool from the computer->system tools menu
[11:40] <Deamon> ok.
[11:40] <ogra> acetech: look in the wiki for instructions....
[11:40] <Deamon> tnx
[11:40] <ferris> under knoppix, i could import it to the synamptic pack. man. but i do not see how to do it with ubuntu
[11:40] <thoreauputic> ferris: any particular reason you are tryin to install antivirus on Linux?
[11:40] <driander> alguien save omo puedo montar mi movil
[11:40] <Pyraine> bah im full of problems
[11:40] <Agrajag> ferris: is this for a mailserver or something?
[11:40] <driander> que lo tengo conectado por usb
[11:40] <Agrajag> driander: ingles aqui
[11:40] <ferris> i know that there is only about 50 virus written that affect linux, better to be safe than sorry
[11:40] <Pyraine> it now says i must be 'root' which i don't think i got asked to set the pass for so i don't know it
[11:41] <Pyraine> is there a default root pass for ubuntu?
[11:41] <mjt> which package in ubuntu "messes" with devmapper during boot?
[11:41] <ferris> no... this is my laptop
[11:41] <Agrajag> #ubuntu-es para espanol
[11:41] <Mithrandir> Pyraine: no, we use sudo
[11:41] <Pyraine> sudo?
[11:41] <ogra> Pyraine: use sudo in front of the command and give it _your_ pw
[11:41] <Agrajag> at least I think that's the channel
[11:41] <Agrajag> ferris: there is no need for an antivirus
[11:41] <Pyraine> so i type what? sudo password mount -t etc etc.
[11:41] <fhd> is this the right channel for hoary issues?
[11:41] <ogra> Pyraine: and dont forget a space between sudo and mount ;)
[11:42] <ogra> Pyraine: drop passwd
[11:42] <Pyraine> ok thanks
[11:42] <thoreauputic> ferris: the point is, these "viruses" are harmless - you don't really need antivirus unless you handle mail from windows systems
[11:42] <Agrajag> any viruses out there a. probably affect older software and b. cannot attack your system unless you're doing everything as root
[11:42] <ogra> Pyraine: just sudo mount
[11:42] <LeeColleton> I have an ISA modem that isn't being picked up by wvdialconf.  It worked with Windows 95 so it should work with Ubuntu, right?
[11:42] <bob2> with pain, probably
[11:42] <Agrajag> no
[11:42] <bob2> it'd be best to ask on the user list
[11:43] <Agrajag> not without a lot of work most liely
[11:43] <Agrajag> likely
[11:43] <ferris> I am only installing software from root.
[11:43] <ogra> ferris: could you point us to a source with a listing of this 50 viruses ?
[11:43] <bob2> er, it'll probably just show up as a serial port?
[11:43] <Agrajag> winmodems are hit-or-miss in linux
[11:43] <Agrajag> oh right, ISA are moslty hardware
[11:43] <Agrajag> hm
[11:43] <Agrajag> does ubuntu do ISA PnP?
[11:43] <bob2> I've never seen a non-hardware isa modem
[11:43] <thoreauputic> ferris: trust us, you don't need antivirus
[11:43] <ferris> i read it in one of my books
[11:44] <ferris> ok
[11:44] <Agrajag> I remember trying to get an PnP ISA NIC working in redhat years ago
[11:44] <bob2> ferris: you really don't need to worry about that
[11:44] <Agrajag> I ended up getting a PCI one
[11:44] <bob2> just keep up to date with security fixes
[11:44] <mjt> heh.. it IS a good idea to "worry" about viruses
[11:44] <mjt> i mean, don't run random attached executables and stuff like that
[11:44] <ogra> ferris: you should throw away this book....if it doesnt give you sources of information of such a ill assumption
[11:45] <etorix> bitdefender is prolly in knoppix for live-cd windows virus-removal
[11:45] <LeeColleton> My modem is most definitely a hardware modem.  33.6k  I've set the jumpers to PNP and it shows up on the bios boot screen, but wvdialconf says "no modem detected"
[11:45] <mjt> and there ARE several viruses for linux
[11:45] <bob2> mjt: it's very very hard to get infected
[11:45] <xskoulax> etorix, i think thats the install option isn't it?
[11:45] <ogra> mjt: source ? url ?
[11:45] <mjt> well.. not really THAT hard
[11:46] <bob2> I've known one linux user, ever, to be infected with a virus
[11:46] <mjt> the thing is: linux isn't popular, so not many "hackers" write viruses for it
[11:46] <bob2> and that was due to running redhat 5.2 with no security updates
[11:46] <etorix> if there was a virus for linux wed be so onit
[11:46] <etorix> on it*
[11:46] <bob2> mjt: what do you see as a useful way to infect people?
[11:46] <ogra> mjt: please no fud here
[11:46] <mjt> fud?
[11:46] <mjt> which fud?
[11:46] <ferris> i do not recall where i saw it but the general statement is that there is about 66000 viruses for MS product, 3000 for MACs and about 50 that affect linux
[11:46] <etorix> it wouldnt be unknown for more than a few minutes
[11:46] <thoreauputic> mjt: aha - "Hello I'm a linux virus! Please save me to hard drive, then (as root), run chmod +x virus. Then plese run ./virus "
[11:47] <ogra> mjt: yeah....assumptions, unprovean things
 the thing is: linux isn't popular, so not many "hackers" write viruses for it
[11:47] <Ribs> 'crackers'
[11:47] <Ribs> Make sure you know the difference
[11:47] <PotajiTo> 3000 viruses for mac?
[11:47] <mjt> compare amount of installation of win and linux -- there's just NO REASON to wrote viruses for linux nowadays.. at least not yet
[11:47] <Ribs> PotajiTo, I would assume that included 68k machines as well
[11:47] <xskoulax> ferris, even if that statement is true, the people developing linux make updates every day not just once a year
[11:48] <mjt> that's not fud, that's fact
[11:48] <bob2> mjt: the majority of the world's web servers run linux
[11:48] <ogra> Ribs: it doesnt matter its an assumption that tries to scare ppl
[11:48] <bob2> mjt: and you'll note that they suffer far less attacks than MS products seem to
[11:48] <bob2> successful ones, anyway
[11:48] <Ribs> ogra, You should know better, however. Crackers != Hackers.
[11:48] <mjt> there are numerous rootkits out there, exploiting old apache/ssl or ssh/ssl bugs for example
[11:48] <etorix> its ten years since i saw a Mac virus
[11:48] <mjt> or old lpd bugs, or old bind/named bugs etc
[11:48] <bob2> anyway, this is kinda off-topic, we'll find out the truth soon enough...
[11:49] <etorix> rootkits aint viruses
[11:49] <ferris> ogra: is there a way for a virus to automatically run and install on a linux box, when logged in as a super user?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> mjt:  root kit != virus
[11:49] <ogra> Ribs: no matter how you name them in a unproven statement that is fud in my eyes
[11:49] <sid77> guys, please keep down the discussion this channe lshould talk about ubuntu :)
[11:49] <etorix> and all the rootkits are known
[11:49] <ferris> what is 'fud'?
[11:49] <bob2> etorix: I really doubt that is true
[11:49] <ogra> ferris: fear uncertainy and doubt
[11:50] <thoreauputic> ferris: you shouldn't "log in" as root anyway - hence su and sudo
[11:50] <etorix> fear and uncertainty
[11:50] <mjt> the general rule: keep your system uptodate wrt bugs etc, and don't run random attachments - it's good rule for every OS.
[11:50] <xskoulax> ferris i would venture to say an uptodate linux install without anti-virus is safer than a uptodate windows box with uptodate anti-virus software
[11:51] <ogra> xskoulax: lol, good comparison
[11:51] <xskoulax> also with linux you won't have windows xp's chkdsk trying to kill 10.8gbs worth of data on you
[11:52] <ferris> i have been using linux for about a week
[11:52] <ferris> it is great
[11:52] <xskoulax> data saved \o/
[11:52] <mjt> about a year ago i was cleaning up a mess caused by some random crap which installed some spam-sending engine on a linux webserver on a machine of a friend of mine. i wasn't able to detect how that stuff has been installed, because he noticied that long after the "breakout".  About two months later i tried to send his "virus" to another friend via email and our antivirus on mailserver rejected it as "linux virus"
[11:52] <ferris> it is definately a different way of looking at computing
[11:53] <ogra> mjt: funny....
[11:53] <mjt> i'm trying to find it.. but not much nope
[11:54] <mjt> about 2 years ago there was a massive "press campaign" - many antivirus vendors reported they're now abot to detect "first linux virus" too
[11:54] <mjt> s/abot/able/
[11:54] <xskoulax> linux is not immune, buts windows in comparison has full blown aids
[11:54] <thoreauputic> ferris: because, funnily enough, we *can* look - nothing is hidden
[11:54] <ferris> I like MS windows
[11:54] <mjt> that all to say: not fud, not unproven "fact" etc, just not "don't worry", but "be smart"
[11:55] <ferris> i make a lot of money because of them
[11:55] <thoreauputic> mjt: umm ...if *you* were an antivirus vendor I guess you would try to convince linux users of a virus threat too...
[11:55] <xskoulax> i don't mind windows, but i'd be happier if i could do everything on linux
[11:55] <xskoulax> i still know windows better than i do linux
[11:55] <mjt> if you will not worry, you WILL be infected, sooner or later.
[11:56] <ogra> mjt: how ?
[11:56] <xskoulax> mjt being concerned is good worrying is not
[11:56] <mjt> yeah, just different word
[11:56] <xskoulax> worry seems a bit more frantic to me
[11:57] <mjt> ogra: there are bugs, and bugs are everywhere. after all, there are bugs in minds -- that sobig/sasser/whatever (don't remember which one) "Critical M$ update" worm who relied on users running it on their machines is a good example
[11:58] <mjt> stupid, but still good example
[11:58] <ogra> mjt: hmm, but how should something like sasser work in linux if it doesnt get root rights to install itself ?
[11:59] <thoreauputic> mjt: yes, social engineering is about the only way I can think of that a linux vvirus could infect a whole system
[11:59] <Setite> xskoulax - is that a fair statement
[11:59] <thoreauputic> mjt: as in "You need to run this important update (virus) as root"
[11:59] <ogra> mjt: if you got a system like ubuntu with no open ports at all, how should it get in ?
[11:59] <Setite> i mean there is so much more to linux to be known... so its hard to guage which one you know better...
[12:00] <xskoulax> and social engineering is the one bug that no os will ever crack