| mako | sivang: hey there.. i'm here now.. just arrived home | 01:53 |
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| sivang | mako: ah ok, when you finish reading -doc postingon the mailing list, tell me :) | 01:56 |
| sivang | mako: we have been approached by a new buddy (nick:froud) few days ago, about somet stuff regarding the repo and else, | 01:56 |
| sivang | see the ml then we'll taklk :) | 01:56 |
| sivang | welcome home, btw :) | 01:56 |
| sivang | Wheller is his last name, can't recall the first :) | 01:58 |
| sivang | mako: anyway, on thing very importan which can be brought before you read over the channel backlog or ml, is that we must have a canonical hosted doc repo :) | 02:08 |
| sivang | quick! | 02:08 |
| sivang | mako: as hornbeck is on vacation for xmas in vegas, the svn repo is practically down for all work, something very bad and disappointing for all our contributors :( | 02:09 |
| sivang | mako: we need the repo (be it svn/baz/arch) hosted inhouse canonical, and with soem techincally able care given to it. | 02:09 |
| sivang | mako: we need to start treating the UDP as a serious thing or else nothing will happen.. | 02:10 |
| mako | sivang: ok. that makes seneses | 02:14 |
| mako | sivang: the issue here is that it requires a machine with substantially different access control than anything we have currently | 02:14 |
| mako | sivang: i can push for it and i think it can happen but it's going to require some new rules.. which is always difficult | 02:15 |
| sivang | mako: ok, so if we switch to baz it's no hassle? | 02:16 |
| sivang | mako: I mean, we already have it part of launchpad | 02:16 |
| sivang | mako: is the orig repo being on svn off issue to this? | 02:17 |
| mako | i guess i don't completely understand.. | 02:19 |
| sivang | mako: let's take this one step at the time :) | 02:19 |
| sivang | mako: btw, would you prefer discussing this tommrowo? | 02:19 |
| mako | the choice of the version control system should not affect the access control issues | 02:19 |
| mako | that might be good.. i've been up for quite a while :) | 02:19 |
| sivang | yes, I figured so, | 02:19 |
| sivang | :) | 02:19 |
| sivang | so, lemme know when it will be more comfortable for you to discuss this, | 02:20 |
| sivang | and another thing I'm concenred about is - | 02:20 |
| sivang | each time a new person shows up and wants t "join" the doc team, | 02:20 |
| sivang | the all too old and already "agreed" upon stuff comes back :) | 02:21 |
| sivang | like, let's make a leader, | 02:21 |
| sivang | let's work like that, | 02:21 |
| sivang | or this, | 02:21 |
| sivang | I'd like to maybe think up with somethin to clear this up. | 02:21 |
| sivang | :) when you are less tired ofcourse :L) | 02:21 |
| sivang | I guess I am asking how do I say a new guy "This is waht we decided, this is how it is _going_ to be" | 02:22 |
| sivang | :) | 02:22 |
| sivang | mako: still there? | 02:29 |
| mako | sivang: yeah | 02:30 |
| mako | i think a docteam FAQ might be good | 02:30 |
| mako | that's how we deal with the problem in the larger ubuntu project | 02:30 |
| sivang | mako: I'm interested to know what sorts of access issues setting up a server has, if we use the baz web interface it should solve them all - isn't that what baz is supposed to do? | 02:32 |
| sivang | mako: but if you're way tired, let's leave it for now and talk again some other time that you are online and less tired :) | 02:32 |
| mako | sivang: the web interface doesn't help you write to it | 02:32 |
| sivang | mako: so what does it do? | 02:32 |
| mako | well, perhaps with webdav you can.. i'm not familiar with the access control issues | 02:33 |
| sivang | mako: I see. Well, this is something we can maybe bring to the TB for discussion? | 02:33 |
| mako | but i know that so far, the way it's handled with with accounts on the machine, with a single gpg keyring and an email interface, or something similar | 02:33 |
| mako | this isn't a technical board issues | 02:34 |
| sivang | mako: you mean commiting stuff using en email interface? | 02:34 |
| mako | this is a canonical machine administration issue | 02:34 |
| sivang | I am not sure I understadn that fully. | 02:34 |
| mako | sivang: it's complex.. too complex for what we want | 02:34 |
| mako | we can pick this up soon.. i gotta eat :) | 02:35 |
| mako | and then crash in all likelihood | 02:35 |
| sivang | ok | 02:36 |
| sivang | it's just the docteam seems a very little issue from the current point of view, | 02:36 |
| sivang | and well, it may be verywell so, we just need to know where are we standing. | 02:36 |
| sivang | I'm ok with canonical/ubuntu/anybody saying, let's release the docs issue altogether, leave it proper for the community at large and say we don't even really need a specialized ubuntu doc team.. | 02:37 |
| === sivang may be talking out of plain frustration. No offense :) | ||
| sivang | I just won't approach new members any more...It's a bit embarresing telling them "Hmm, the doc repo is down today - could you ping me again in a week?" :) | 02:39 |
| sivang | this looks not good, from the new contributors point of view..anyway, go to eat. | 02:39 |
| sivang | I'm sorry :) | 02:39 |
| sivang | for all my complains | 02:39 |
| sivang | *comlaints | 02:43 |
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| sivang | hey enrico | 02:59 |
| sivang | :) | 02:59 |
| sivang | back again? | 02:59 |
| enrico | Hello! | 03:11 |
| enrico | Lots of activity for christmas! | 03:11 |
| mako | enrico: merry xmas :) | 03:17 |
| sivang | mako: so you've read all my complaints? :) | 03:18 |
| mako | sivang: yes | 03:19 |
| mako | no, i understand that it is frustring in regards to the repo | 03:19 |
| mako | we'll work out a solution to that | 03:19 |
| mako | man.. it's not even 930pm and i'm *exhausted* | 03:20 |
| mako | jet lag... | 03:20 |
| sivang | ok, I hope this will happen fast not like the last time it was said that it's being worked on. | 03:20 |
| enrico | Hello. What are you guys talking about? | 03:21 |
| enrico | Could you please update me? | 03:21 |
| enrico | (I just wake up, and its sunday...) | 03:21 |
| enrico | s/wake/woke/ | 03:21 |
| sivang | enrico: eh the good life :) | 03:21 |
| mako | enrico: sivang is frusterated because he thinks docteam work is paralized by the current state of hornbeck and his repository | 03:22 |
| sivang | enrico: Well, the last new guy that approached the docteam (you've talked with him regarding the spcial branch you made for him of the repo) | 03:22 |
| enrico | oh, but hornbeck is back again now, and the repo works | 03:23 |
| sivang | enrico: it is? | 03:23 |
| === sivang checks | ||
| mako | enrico: although the criticism seems to be more with what sivan sees as the attitude that canonical is taking toward thehe doc team | 03:23 |
| mako | enrico: not putting resources etc to get a repository for members, etc | 03:23 |
| enrico | sivang: yes, just checked. Have you read the list? There was a snow storm and Hornbeck's house had a long blackout that exausted the UPS and so the machine never went up | 03:24 |
| mako | i think you guys need a distributed revision control system | 03:24 |
| === enrico larts mako | ||
| enrico | But I posted in the list about that, too: Elmo understood that we didn't need the migration because we wanted to go to baz anyway. However, | 03:24 |
| sivang | enrico: maybe we can make this repo more sustainable in means of uptime? | 03:24 |
| enrico | noone told him about the results of the docteam BOF | 03:24 |
| enrico | So I did tell him | 03:24 |
| enrico | He's happy with the migration, but he's in vacation, so it won't happen until next year | 03:25 |
| sivang | so should I start learning baz? | 03:25 |
| mako | baz is a moving target | 03:25 |
| enrico | ehi, people, we have a working repo now, Hornbeck is at home | 03:25 |
| sivang | enrico: until next time he goes on vacation? | 03:25 |
| mako | that sounds like a short term and a long term plan | 03:25 |
| enrico | The repo is set for migration as soon as Elmo gets back to work | 03:25 |
| mako | cool | 03:25 |
| mako | enrico: how is access control going to be done? | 03:26 |
| enrico | mako: I would imagine access via DAV and people's accounts on an htpasswd, but that'll probably be negotiated with Elmo | 03:26 |
| mako | enrico: i was telling sivan that this was the only thing i was not sure about..but because it will be different than the way it being done in other places, it will need to be worked out | 03:27 |
| sivang | mako: ok, I am now relaxed :) | 03:27 |
| mako | but that said, even if it were ea matter of posting changesets to a list and having a couple people merging contributed changesets in, it would be a huge plus | 03:27 |
| enrico | I've been posting about this recently... how come people don't read my mails? | 03:27 |
| === enrico looks for a link | ||
| mako | enrico: btw, i played with svk some more.. it a great idea :) | 03:28 |
| sivang | enrico: I've read all the -doc postings, didn't see your yet. | 03:28 |
| enrico | mako: eh. At the moment, I'd suggest to people who can handle a bit more complexity to try svk. However, I'm reluctant to suggest it in a mail to the list, as everyone's pretty sick of seeing names of revision control systems popping around | 03:29 |
| enrico | for Sean, what I did was a local branch in my svk mirror: as soon as he posts his patches, I can integrate them in his branch and try a smerge | 03:29 |
| enrico | that's neat, imo | 03:30 |
| === mako nods | ||
| enrico | sivang: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2004-December/000767.html (look for the word "elmo") | 03:31 |
| enrico | maybe my messages are too long | 03:31 |
| mako | i have that problem | 03:31 |
| mako | someone gave me a suggestion | 03:31 |
| mako | (1) write the message (2) write a summary of the message (3) throw away everything except the summary | 03:32 |
| mako | (plus any essential details) | 03:32 |
| sivang | enrico: noted | 03:32 |
| sivang | ok, so I will be waiting for after new years :) | 03:34 |
| sivang | night all ! | 03:34 |
| enrico | mako: oh, nice idea :) | 03:34 |
| enrico | sivang: night! | 03:34 |
| sivang | (4:35am here) | 03:34 |
| === sivang takes a mental note - read the email more carefully | ||
| enrico | sivang: :) | 03:37 |
| === mako just fell asleep at the computer | ||
| mako | i'm going to take the hint | 03:39 |
| mako | good nigth guys | 03:39 |
| sivang | night mako | 03:40 |
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| enrico | froud: around? | 06:39 |
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| [froud] | African greetings | 08:41 |
| [froud] | mako, ping | 08:47 |
| === [froud] is going to the zoo for the best part of today. Will be back later | ||
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| froud | African greetings | 01:19 |
| froud | enrico, you tuned? | 01:21 |
| enrico | froud: kind of | 01:32 |
| enrico | I'm very tired | 01:32 |
| froud | :-) | 01:32 |
| froud | need another holiday | 01:32 |
| froud | well, are you up to sorting the svn | 01:33 |
| froud | warning: participation in open source projects can lead to sleep deprivation | 01:35 |
| froud | guess not | 01:40 |
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| enrico | have a nice swim! We can do it tomorrow | 01:43 |
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| froud | ubuntulog help | 06:31 |
| froud | guess its not a bot? | 06:31 |
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| sivang | hel all | 10:07 |
| sivang | hey | 10:07 |
| sivang | am back for a while | 10:08 |
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